Whatever Podcast - She Is 6ft10?! She Gets BORED & Dumps Men?! Single BUT Unavailable? 3 VlRGlNS?

July 24, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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She Is 6ft10?! She Gets BORED & Dumps Men?! Single BUT Unavailable? 3 VlRGlNS? | Dating Talk #181

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	Hi, my name's Macy.
	I'm 21.
	I'm from Texas, and I do OnlyFans.
	All right.
	And you have, do you, you have a world record?
	World record.
	It's a Guinness World Record.
	For what?
	The female longest legs.
	That's crazy.
	And you, how tall are you?
	I'm 6'10.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	That's cool.
	But where's your standing on torso?
	Like, where do you fall in the torso category?
	Like, are you like second tallest torso?
	I have no idea.
	Is that like a thing?
	Is there a torso?
	Because there's the legs.
	They have the legs ranking, but is there a torso ranking?
	There might be, I guess.
	Like someone with like just really.
	Okay, anyways, that's cool.
	All right.
	And at what age?
	You're 21 now.
	What age did you hit 610?
	16.
	16?
	Okay.
	And were you pretty tall, like throughout most of your childhood and younger?
	Yeah, I was about four to five inches taller than everyone in my grade.
	So I've always been the tall bean.
	All right, got it.
	And you said you do, for work, you do OF.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, it is correct.
	Okay, and you are from Texas.
	Welcome from Texas.
	And what about you?
	Hi, my name is Victoria.
	I'm 20 years old.
	I go to UCSB from LA.
	Garris Godfrey donated $69.
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	On behalf of Josh from Whatever Discord, he is a Canadian Giga Chad and is looking for lady.
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	Sorry, so you're 20, you go to UCSB?
	Yeah, and I'm a bio-major.
	Where are you from originally?
	Los Angeles.
	LA?
	What part?
	Like West Coast.
	SGV?
	Yeah.
	West Covina.
	Is that like Valley-ish or?
	No, it's like, how do you describe West Covena?
	It's that area.
	What do you study at UCSB?
	Biology.
	Bio.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Jin.
	I'm 21 years old, and I don't go to school here, but I work full-time, pretty much, at a private home daycare.
	And were you in school previously?
	I was for a little bit.
	I did a semester taking photography classes, which was really fun and really interesting.
	And it helped me grow my skill, but ultimately I just realized that that wanted to stay a hobby.
	Okay.
	And where are you from?
	I'm from here.
	Santa Barbara.
	Born and broken.
	Born and raised.
	Okay, 805.
	Let's go.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Sophia.
	I'm 20 years old.
	I'm from LA, and I'm a student here at UCSB.
	All right.
	What are you studying?
	Bio.
	Bio.
	All right.
	You two want to be doctors or medical doctors?
	Do you know what kind of specialty you might want to go in yet?
	I want to do sports physical therapy.
	Sports physical therapy?
	What about you?
	I want to go into cardiovascular surgery.
	Okay.
	Okay, all right.
	Surgeon in the making.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm Haley.
	I'm 22 years old.
	I am from Michigan.
	I go to Michigan State and I'm an athletic training student at the grad school program.
	Okay, all right, welcome.
	Thank you.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Kaylani, and I go to Michigan State University as well, and my major is kinesiology.
	Age?
	Oh, 22.
	Are you guys seniors?
	I'm in grad school.
	Oh, grad school?
	Just about to graduate.
	Okay, still undergrad.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Aaliyah.
	I'm 31 years old.
	I'm from Indiana, and I work at a casino.
	All right.
	What do you do at the casino?
	I'm a windows and grounds person, so I just walk the property and pick up the trash and wash windows.
	Oh, nice.
	Is it like a pretty chill job?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, pretty chill.
	Walk around and stuff.
	That's cool.
	Oh, yeah.
	And are you going to ever think about going into like being a dealer?
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	Do you get paid more?
	Like, the dealers get paid more?
	And they get tipped too, right?
	Oh, yeah, they get tips.
	They get paid a lot.
	So what would your game be?
	Probably Texas Holdham.
	Poker, okay.
	Cool.
	All right.
	What about you there?
	Hey, I'm Natalie.
	I'm still a senior in high school.
	I'm 18 years old.
	And I live in Germany.
	I'm just here for vacation.
	All right.
	And you're in high school in Germany?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay.
	And what part of Germany?
	From Berlin.
	So you're just here for the...
	Well, we have summer holidays right now, and I'm in a program where we have school for two hours a day to improve our English, and then the rest we just chill.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And do you know what you're going to study once you go to college?
	Yeah, I want to go to college.
	Actually, I want to do veterinary medicine, I think it's called in English.
	Yeah, that's awesome.
	Okay, be good at that.
	Cool, cool.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Jasmine.
	I'm 19, also from West Covina, and I'm a student at UCLA studying astrophysics.
	Astrophysics, okay, that's dope.
	Okay.
	Do you take math classes and stuff?
	Yeah, and physics.
	Okay, very cool.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Sophia.
	I'm 29 years old.
	I do data analysis for work.
	I'm also a home baker.
	I own a baking business where I bake wedding cakes, custom cookies, all types of baked goodies.
	I'm also currently your Miss Nevada United World.
	I will be competing for the international title this Labor Day weekend.
	So that is what's going on with the crown and sash.
	The sash?
	What does the sash say?
	Oh, just a little bit of a drink.
	Yeah.
	So cute.
	How do you pronounce, is it Nevada, Nevada?
	Nevada.
	That is a hill I will die on.
	Nevada, Nevada.
	Oh, Nevada.
	It's crazy.
	It hurts.
	All right.
	Got a bunch of people from everywhere today.
	Cool, cool.
	And you sit.
	Wait, hold on.
	So that's this weekend?
	No, Labor Day.
	Oh, Labor Day.
	Okay, got it.
	Cool.
	All right, so going around the table once more.
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, yeah.
	Andrew Wilson, he's going to be doing a call in two hours, three hours.
	He will be joining us a little bit later.
	So going around the table once more, what is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polykill sex, qualterum, whatever it may be?
	A lot of ways people get together nowadays.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	Well, I'm in a relationship, and I've been in my relationship with my girlfriend for two months now.
	And what was the other question?
	Longest relationship.
	My longest relationship was only six months.
	six months.
	Okay.
	And your orientation, are you bi?
	I'm pansexual.
	Pan.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So currently dating your girlfriend for two months.
	And how did you guys meet?
	I mean, that off of Discord, actually, during COVID.
	Were you guys, like, gaming together or just?
	Well, kind of, sort of.
	She would kind of just pop in the chat while me and my friends were gaming and then eventually we turned into a friendship and then we all met each other in real life and then after that I was like, you know, I kind of like you.
	Do you like me?
	Is it long distance or?
	Yeah.
	Okay, because you're in Texas, met on Discord.
	Well, I guess you don't have to review.
	In any case, it's long distance.
	How often do you guys see each other in person?
	I try to visit her at least once a month.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Oh, we forgot.
	There's a news article.
	We got to pull the news article from the New York Post about Macy.
	If you have any doubts as to her credentials, it's been verified.
	I'm 6'10 and have the world's longest legs.
	Here's how I date and shop for clothes.
	Okay.
	How I date for clothes.
	Wait.
	It's a tall.
	Wow, they did you dirty.
	It's a tall order having these gargantuan.
	They did you dirty.
	First sentence, they did you dirty.
	Okay.
	Texas woman boasts world's longest legs.
	Serious setbacks to being super statuesque.
	Wow, the alliteration there.
	Serious setbacks to being super statuesque.
	Say that 10 times faster.
	This journalist needs an Pulitzer Prize?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Stands at a staggering 6 feet 10 inches.
	Legs measure 52 inches.
	And then what's the component of dating?
	Can we find that in the article?
	I don't even know.
	Okay.
	Scroll down then?
	Just keep scrolling.
	Is there anything in there about dating?
	Is that mom's?
	That was my mom.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And is your dad tall or?
	He's 6'5.
	6'5?
	Okay.
	Scroll down.
	All right.
	Where's the dating?
	Do you know what they wrote in there?
	Did they interview?
	They interviewed you, though, right?
	Yeah?
	They did, but like, you know.
	Okay.
	Okay, cool.
	Should we get, are you down to stand up so the viewers can see how the pipe.
	Sure.
	I don't want to hit your camera.
	Maybe just.
	You should be fine if you scoot the thing back and then record.
	Oh.
	Can you stand up for a comparison?
	Just a comparison here.
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'4.
	You're 5'4?
	So average.
	Okay.
	There she is.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for that.
	Thank you for that.
	All right.
	And I saw on your link tree that you do advocacy for, one sec, something called Marfan syndrome.
	Marfan syndrome.
	Is that, I was, I didn't do research.
	Is it something that you have?
	Yeah, if so, it's a connective tissue disorder, and it mainly affects like my heart.
	So every year I have to go get my heart checked to see if my aorta has dissected, and if it dissects, you can basically just bleed out internally.
	Whoa.
	So it's kind of.
	So every year you got to go to the doctor.
	Yeah.
	And is that, is there any, do people have Marfan syndrome?
	Does it?
	Bucky Larson donated $75.
	Hello, MSU girls.
	I'm an auto worker from Michigan.
	Go green.
	Go white.
	Sparta.
	All right.
	Thank you, Bucky.
	Appreciate it.
	Does it have an impact on height at all or people who have Marfan syndrome?
	Well, yeah.
	So if you're taller and you have longer limbs, you're more likely to have it.
	But I've also noticed someone DM'd me on Instagram and they're like really short and they also have Marfan.
	So I don't really know what you, you know.
	I don't know.
	Is there any treatments out there?
	You can go on medication.
	I chose to not go on medication.
	Okay.
	So that's why I don't play any sports anymore or anything.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And then what about you?
	Relationship status?
	I'm single.
	Single.
	How long have you been single for?
	Like a year.
	Like a year, okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Five years.
	Five years.
	Oh, wow.
	When did that end?
	Was that the one that ended a year ago?
	Okay.
	Any prospects in this past year?
	No.
	Nothing?
	No.
	Nothing like even just short-term fling, anything like that?
	No side chips.
	Nothing?
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	Who broke up with who in this?
	Have to be clean.
	Sorry.
	Wait, so you've been celibate?
	I've been celibate.
	You've been celibate for a year?
	Hey, good for you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Wait, actually, though, celibate for you?
	Okay, all right.
	What is it?
	What do they say with like long relationships?
	It takes you like half the time of the relationship to get over it.
	Is that, have you found that to be the case?
	No, not really.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with.
	Why is that?
	Just long distance wasn't working.
	Long distance.
	Wait.
	Yeah.
	So you guys met in high school, I'm assuming.
	Yes.
	And then you dated for a period during college, but it was long distance at that point.
	Yeah.
	So you guys went to high school together?
	Yes.
	And then the distance made it complicated.
	Yeah.
	Was there infidelity?
	No.
	It was just like.
	It was hard because of the distance.
	Okay.
	How did he take it?
	It's hard.
	Okay.
	It was hard.
	Do you guys still talk?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	All right.
	What about you?
	It's complicated.
	I don't know really how to quite describe a relationship.
	I guess the best way would be situationship.
	Mm-hmm.
	I think in your pre-show notes you described it as you're single, but you exclusively.
	You're exclusive with one hookup.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so there's a guy in the picture.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Just one guy or well, exclusive.
	I mean, like, there are a couple guys that I find really attractive, and I've been, like, kind of looking at my options, but yeah, I'm kind of just really content with this one guy.
	Okay, so single, but there's one guy.
	How long have you been seeing this one guy?
	Not long at all.
	Like, maybe a couple weeks.
	A couple what?
	A couple weeks?
	A weeks, okay.
	Yeah, like maybe a month, Max.
	And we don't even see each other that often.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	So, does he live in town?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How often do you see him?
	I've seen him probably maybe.
	Well, it depends.
	I don't know.
	It's weird.
	We'll go out and then we'll see each other at like bars and stuff.
	So I don't know if that really counts, but like hanging out-wise, I guess probably three or four times.
	You both go out to bars and clubs and you'll see him?
	Yeah.
	You see him flirting with other women?
	Um, no, not flirting with other women, to be honest.
	I don't know.
	That's also one of the things of our like situationship where it's just like no pressure and we're both free to do as we please.
	But at the end of the day, we both know that we're gonna only be hooking up with each other if we choose to take someone home.
	So you aren't exclusive?
	No, we are.
	You're exclusively hooking up, but at any given moment, another person could come into the picture and you could have sex with them.
	Yeah, I mean, I guess I would hope that like we would both respect each other enough to like tell the other one and then just like you know, stop seeing the other person.
	So you guys are both.
	But we both have this mutual understanding of like we're not gonna hook up with other people unless there's a determination that's been made that this new person is superior in some way to one of you, in which case the relationship ends instantly and then they'll go sleep with the other person.
	That's true.
	Right, I mean if some guy who you thought was a relationship is more welcome to do that, I can't do anything about it.
	Sure.
	But so.
	I'm not gonna be butthurt over it.
	You guys don't have a title.
	There's no title.
	You're not like boyfriend, girlfriend.
	Nope.
	No.
	And you said a couple weeks, three, four weeks?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you said there are potentially other guys in the picture, but you're not hooking up with them.
	Is that correct?
	You said there's a couple guys who.
	I'm not flirting with them.
	I've just like they're guys that I like know of and I'm just like, okay, you're kind of cute.
	I could maybe see something with you.
	But ultimately, I have my mindset on this one person.
	Would you like this current situation to be more?
	If he's listening, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I really like him.
	But I mean, like, if he wants to find someone else, then hey, there's nothing I can do about that.
	Have you had a conversation?
	About that.
	We've had a conversation at least about what I want.
	Because I met him coming out of like a pretty shite relationship.
	Or not relationship.
	Honestly, I would not qualify it as a relationship because we were stuck in the talking phase for way too long.
	How long?
	Like three or four months.
	And we would hang out a lot.
	And it was just a very interesting experience.
	He's going to sit by the fact that, you know, I'm the one at fault for everything.
	But were you?
	No.
	I mean, I was definitely at fault for some of the things, but I came to realize he didn't like how I wasn't able to open up and lean on him.
	Like, you know how some people have good and bad days?
	That's me.
	And I'll have good and bad days.
	I'll have a great day.
	And then I'll be like, oh, yeah, like, I'll see my plans through with this person.
	But if it's a bad day, I'm just like, okay, yeah, I don't really want to see you.
	I don't want to bring my bad attitude to you.
	And I don't want to bombard you with all of my overwhelmings.
	And so that was just something that he was very adamant that I did not do.
	He was like, I want you to still come see me.
	I want you to lean on me.
	I want you to do these things.
	But I was just like, you're not my boyfriend.
	I'm not going to do it unless you are my boyfriend.
	Because otherwise, you're just, I'm going to lean on you.
	And then what?
	You're going to get up and leave?
	I'm not going to lean on somebody.
	When you were dating this guy, did you want it to be more serious?
	Yeah, 100%.
	So did you ever have overt conversations about that?
	We definitely did, but there was definitely a lot of things that never got talked about.
	Were you guys exclusive?
	We were.
	Isn't that essential?
	I mean, if you're like exclusive with somebody.
	I know, you would think that would be like a little.
	Isn't that essentially boyfriend, girlfriend?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I guess, yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But so.
	It's confusing these days.
	But I mean, like, okay, you have the conversation.
	What are we?
	What is this?
	And then the guy says what?
	Well, okay, the way I heard it from like one of his friends was that he wanted to make the relationship official for a while, but just didn't feel comfortable doing that because I couldn't do the things that a girlfriend needed to do.
	But I was like, which is what?
	I don't even fully know how to get into all of this.
	Just the good, healthy communication.
	And like, there were definitely things that were my fault.
	I wouldn't lean on him.
	I wouldn't do certain things that a good girlfriend would do.
	But to be fair, I wasn't his girlfriend.
	And I would tell him that when he would want me to lean on him, and I'd be like, I'm not going to lean over you.
	Like, I'm not going to tell you every horrible thing that's been going on in my head right now because it's just going to do nothing but overwhelm you and make me feel like you now see me in an ugly light.
	And then I'm overwhelmed.
	And like, I also just felt like he was going to judge me for whatever I had to say.
	But what were the girlfriend things he wanted you to do that you weren't?
	It wasn't anything like, it mostly had to just do with like communication and being able to see plans through.
	You get really frustrated whenever I would like make plans and then later cancel because I was like having a shit horrible moment.
	So yeah, a lot of them were literally just like really like basic level things that I should have been able to do with someone that I actually cared for.
	I have no problem showing up for my friends, being there for my friends, talking with my friends.
	It was like this weird pressure where I just couldn't do it with him.
	He wanted like good, healthy communication where I talked to him about anything.
	I was honest with him about anything, even if it was like really hard for me, even if I thought, I don't know, despite whatever was going on in my head.
	But I just, I don't know, I couldn't do it.
	All right.
	And then there's this current guy.
	You were saying how you want to be boyfriend, girlfriend, but haven't had the conversation.
	I'd like to, yeah.
	Yeah, I'd like to be with him, but I don't, I don't know.
	He seemed like not a relationship type.
	So you want him to be.
	He seems content with what we are now.
	Okay, I'll put it like that.
	It's probably better with having like a hookup every now and then, basically, kind of casual.
	Yeah.
	And are you okay with that?
	Thank you.
	I love that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would be okay with that, but I definitely do want something more in the future, whether that's with him, not with him.
	The moment of deciding will come, I guess.
	All right.
	Did you say longest relationship?
	I did not.
	Maybe a little under two years.
	All right.
	Was that a situationship too, or was that actually a boyfriend?
	That was not.
	That was actually a boyfriend.
	All right.
	Cool, cool.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I've been single all my life.
	Okay.
	Single all your life?
	Any interaction with the opposite sex at all?
	A lot.
	A lot.
	I just can't commit.
	You can't commit.
	You're the non-committal one.
	Okay.
	And what's the longest period of time you've seen somebody?
	A little over a year.
	Wait, hold on.
	Okay.
	Was it on again and off again?
	On again, off again.
	A lot.
	Okay, a couple questions.
	Did you call this person your boyfriend?
	No.
	Okay, but it was so situationship?
	I don't know what to call it.
	How old were you?
	Last year.
	Okay, so you're freshman or sophomore year?
	Sophomore in college.
	I see.
	Okay.
	One year situation, situationship.
	How many times was it off and on?
	Three times.
	Three times.
	Who would end it?
	Me.
	All three times you ended it.
	Yes.
	And then who would go back to the other asking for it back?
	Him.
	You would end it, he would come back.
	Why would you end it?
	Because I would get bored.
	Why would you come back?
	Huh?
	So why would you come back?
	Sorry, I don't know.
	I never went back.
	Huh?
	Go ahead.
	Oh, why did I go back?
	Yeah.
	Because then I got bored again.
	So I said, I love her both.
	So why do you end it?
	What?
	Okay.
	Wait, so.
	So when you say you got bored, what does that mean?
	I get bored with the person.
	How so?
	Like, You know, I don't know how to explain it.
	It's like, do you know the three-month rule?
	You're always excited to see this person and you just want to hang out with them all the time.
	And then, like, that feeling just away.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So it's a rule.
	It's like a law of physics.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	After three months, the person's just terribly dull and boring.
	Boring, I guess.
	Okay, so three months.
	And he was like he was boring, or you would get bored?
	I would get bored.
	Okay.
	And this, like, is there any blame on this individual for you getting bored?
	Like, maybe you weren't.
	He's too sweet.
	Too nice.
	Oh, gosh.
	Well, I, okay.
	Two nights.
	Too sweet.
	This is why women say this.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Let's, let's, hold on.
	Okay.
	So, when you say he was too sweet, okay.
	In what ways was he too sweet?
	So, you know how you're only young once and you just want to do like crazy things and you just like want him to grab you in the face and like kiss you one day, but then like he's always like, Can I?
	Can I?
	And it's like, dude, asking for consent.
	Do it.
	Oh.
	Well, okay, but that's the thing is, like, if you're seeing someone, you shouldn't have to continually ask for consent every time.
	Wait.
	I mean, like, I don't, I. That's just my personal thing.
	Like, if you're dating someone or seeing someone on the regular, I wouldn't constantly be like, is it okay if I can kiss you?
	I would just touch them because I'm not sure.
	But hold on, let's get a more specifics here.
	In every instance he wanted to kiss you, he asked you for your permission.
	Exactly.
	No, no, what?
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying like consent wise.
	No way.
	I don't think I could do it.
	No, it's because it's like, why are you getting so nervous every single time?
	Why are you not comfortable?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Into the mics.
	There's a lot to unpack here.
	So, okay.
	You were for a year, and so when you would go off, would you see other people in the off periods?
	Of course.
	Of course.
	Okay.
	And then, and then I think if I recall you saying you were, I don't want to put words in your mouth.
	You said something along the lines of you were looking for fun or excitement or I'm trying to remember precisely what you said.
	Fun and excitement.
	Okay, in your dating life.
	Exactly.
	Does that include variety?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	And prior to this guy, have you, I mean, you said you've been single your whole life, but at no point you guys called each other boyfriend, girlfriend.
	No.
	Never.
	I'm confused, though.
	So you'd break up with him because you were bored, but you'd also get back together with him because you were bored.
	I kind of get it almost.
	Exactly.
	But is it because when you guys were not together, no other men materialized?
	Kind of, yeah.
	Okay.
	So you'd break up with him because you want a new guy, but no new guys came along?
	They did, but then we would break it off so then I'd get bored.
	You'd break it off with the new guys.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Okay.
	Why go back to the other guy then?
	Comfort.
	Yeah.
	Convenience.
	Yeah.
	It's a comfort.
	You're used to him.
	Okay.
	It's an interesting one.
	And so when's the last time you or you said you've been single, well.
	Your whole life.
	Your whole life.
	But so when's the last time you it's off currently with this guy, correct?
	I saw him four days ago.
	Okay.
	And but did you off it four days ago, or you're kind of on?
	It's off.
	Yeah.
	Oh, man.
	This guy is a glutton for punishment.
	All right.
	And has he been, now that it's been off for four days, has he been trying to win you back over, trying to get back with you?
	Yes.
	Can we, you got to show us these text messages.
	I got to see this.
	No.
	Okay, so, like, is it, does he cry when you break up with him?
	I don't know.
	Is he sad?
	He asked me last time, well, four days ago when I saw him, he was like, why do you always ghost me?
	I don't remember.
	I blacked out.
	So.
	As in you were from alcohol.
	Blacked out from alcohol.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	And so, I'm just curious.
	White guy, black guy, Asian guy?
	Asian guy.
	Okay.
	And have you seen a new guy since you broke up with him four days ago?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Besides him, is there any other guys you've seen for kind of extended periods of time, even if off and on?
	Yes.
	What's the longest?
	A year.
	Oh, there's another year guy.
	Was that also off and on?
	Yes.
	How many?
	Okay.
	I like this girl.
	She's funny.
	and it was how many times was it off and on Four times.
	You were about to say three.
	Okay, four times with this guy.
	And may I guess, were you bored?
	Yes.
	You got bored.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	He was too busy.
	Too busy.
	So he was too busy, the other guy too sweet.
	Yes.
	Wait, this is making me sound so bad.
	No.
	No, the honesty is much appreciated and the forthcomingness.
	It's good.
	You often don't hear this sort of forthcomingness from people.
	So too sweet.
	Would this guy like buy you flowers and compliment you all the time?
	He never bought me flowers.
	Would he simp?
	No.
	He didn't simp?
	I don't know.
	Pay for dates?
	Oh, he would.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But too sweet in terms of his demeanor.
	Like how he acted towards you.
	Oh, actually, he did buy me flowers.
	I lied.
	Ah, the first guy.
	Yeah.
	And then the other guy was too busy because he was...
	He's a CS guy, so...
	Computer science.
	Yeah, that's pretty serious there.
	Of a major.
	Okay, so interesting.
	Interesting.
	I have so many questions.
	Are you desirous of something a little more stable?
	Yes.
	I'm sorry, I'm gathering my thoughts here.
	You're desirous of something more stable, but it needs to be with the guy who's not boring.
	Is not so sweet and has enough time, but maybe not too much time so as to become boring.
	I want a long-distance relationship.
	Maybe see each other once every two weeks.
	What if it's not long distance, but you still see each other just once every two weeks?
	So he's local.
	Or would you feel too sweet?
	He would want to see me too many times, so no.
	He would, how do you know?
	What if it's a guy who has like milquetoast interest?
	Then no.
	So the guy has to be very interested, but only wants to see you once every two weeks.
	Exactly.
	Any taste of the money?
	Is she trolling, Chad?
	I can second.
	She's being very serious.
	I don't know if she's just super honest or trolling.
	But her delivery is also funny.
	You should be a stand-up comedian.
	There you go.
	Just drop out of UCSB and start stand-up.
	I kind of believe her.
	I believe her.
	Are you guys roommates, housemates?
	We're best friends.
	Okay, cool.
	I'll come back to you a little bit later, but what about you?
	I am single.
	I've been single for about four or five months.
	And my longest relationship, probably three years, but in that three years, we only really dated for maybe like four months total with a couple breaks.
	Wait, three years, but together you were only for four months.
	Like putting the label on it.
	Okay, but you were like hanging out.
	Yeah, we were.
	We just like, he, I should say, just couldn't be with me, but we were best friends, and I was home to him and blah, So we were best friends, and I was talking to someone, he was talking to somebody.
	Both ended the relationships.
	So were together, but he couldn't put a label on it, but wanted to do every relationship thing with me.
	Eventually, he got to the point of putting the label on it, but then about like a month and a half in, it ended.
	And then we like tried again because we were best friends.
	We couldn't break up, and then it ended this past like March, April.
	Okay.
	And did you say it was off again, on again?
	On again, off again?
	For the first year, it was just because we weren't exclusive.
	We were just pretty much really good friends, both talking to our own people, but we knew we had feelings for each other.
	And then the last, since January of 2022, we have only been exclusive with each other.
	We just didn't have a label until November of 2023 or October of 2023.
	Okay, got it.
	And then what about you?
	Hold on.
	Morgan Smiths Brian's chair donated $69.
	Ladies, would you date Brian?
	On one hand, he is tall, 6'1, blue eyes, rich, sometimes funny, successful, but he has a dead bod, probably autistic, has a weird liking for big labyrinthies and a small pee-pee.
	Okay.
	Okay, hold.
	That's it's average first off.
	Get it right, dude.
	Okay.
	Okay, fine.
	We'll go around the table.
	Would you date me?
	Probably not.
	Am I too tall for you?
	You're a man.
	There you go.
	Wait, I thought you're Pan, though.
	Yeah, but like, I've had so many bad experiences with men that it's like I'm kind of like turned off by them.
	Okay.
	But if I were to transition, would I have a shot?
	Ooh, maybe.
	Ooh.
	All right, it's in the works.
	Call up the surgeon.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's interesting.
	We'll touch on that later.
	What about you?
	I'm sorry, Brian.
	No.
	Is it because I'm white?
	No.
	Okay, just checking.
	Just a racism check.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	No, no, no, okay.
	Don't clip me.
	Okay, that's fine.
	You won't offend me.
	I won't be offended.
	Don't worry.
	No, probably not.
	All right.
	What about you?
	How old are you?
	35.
	No.
	Now.
	I mean, your eyes are gorgeous and everything, but probably not.
	Fair, fair.
	I'm sorry, but no.
	Fair?
	No.
	I'm married.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Germany?
	No, you're pretty old.
	It's okay.
	That's fire.
	It's all right, you know.
	If I speak German, does that change anything?
	Um, if you get younger, maybe.
	I feel like my boyfriend's gonna look like you when he's older, so maybe.
	Okay.
	Mou value?
	No, it's an age thing.
	All right, fair enough.
	And no, it's a difference in values.
	A values difference.
	Okay, we'll get into that later.
	All right, thank you for that.
	By the way, TTS, we're bumping the TTS up to.
	It's up to 200 now, guys.
	So it should be shifted.
	TTS is 200.
	Read is 100.
	Display is 10.
	Thank you, guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Let me just double-check, make sure that's all set.
	Your relationship status.
	I am single but not available.
	What the hell does that mean?
	I'm single, but I'm not interested or looking for anyone.
	So there's a guy in the picture then.
	He was, but my heart is still for him.
	That's why I have to heal.
	Okay, so you're single.
	Now, if I recall, you, this isn't new either because you, in your pre-show notes, when you reached out, at least going back to May, this is a disclosure you made in May, that you're single but not available.
	Yes.
	So you were dating somebody.
	Yes.
	And although you're not together, you, because of him, you won't date somebody else.
	I still love him, and it wouldn't be fair for me or another person.
	So how long were you guys dating?
	Almost a year and a half.
	And for how long have you been single?
	A couple months now.
	When did you guys break up?
	So we broke up in November, but I know, but we were still talking.
	It was complicated.
	Okay, but we still love each other, but it's also a difference in religion.
	So.
	What do you mean?
	I'm Christian and he's Muslim.
	And so.
	And that caused an issue for him or you or both?
	It was, I think both.
	I'm pretty sure both.
	Equally strong of an issue for both?
	Did you not know he was Muslim when you met him?
	No, I did, and I knew what I was doing.
	He's complicated.
	Yeah, we'll just say that.
	Well, it doesn't occur to me that it's complicated at all.
	You knew he was Muslim.
	You're a Christian.
	If that's a conflict of values, how could it possibly be complicated?
	Because it was.
	Love is love.
	So you guys officially broke up in November.
	So nine months ago.
	Ish?
	Yeah.
	Okay, nine months ago.
	And then, but you continued seeing each other?
	When's the last time you've been in communication with him?
	Probably about a month and a half ago.
	Do you guys still hang out?
	No.
	When's the last time you saw him in person?
	A month and a half ago.
	What was the nature of your hangout?
	We were just talking and it was just like closure, honestly.
	It was just closure.
	It was a.
	From the breakup seven months prior?
	I know, yeah.
	And for the okay, so you officially ended things nine months ago.
	Your closure conversations persisted for a period of seven months.
	Yeah, because we weren't dating, but we were, it was just complicated in those months.
	Were you guys living together?
	No, Were your finances mixed up?
	No.
	How was it complicated?
	Because we both love each other and we still wanted to be together, but he needs time right now.
	And I just, I need to focus on God.
	Okay.
	So single but not available.
	Now, did you guys continue hooking up?
	No.
	No.
	So official breakup in November.
	But you guys were hooking up.
	You guys were hooking up prior to that.
	I don't want to talk about that stuff.
	You're on a dating podcast.
	I know.
	But yeah.
	But so you were hooking up.
	But then no hooking up at all, not even once.
	Not even a cuddle?
	Yeah, yeah, we would kiss and stuff.
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	Well, no, no, wait, just to clarify.
	After the breakup, would there be kissing?
	Yes.
	Cuddling.
	Yes.
	Heavy petting.
	What's that?
	Like titty grabbing.
	No.
	But you would cuddle and kiss.
	Yeah.
	But you were broken up.
	Yes.
	But you had sex previously.
	Yes.
	But and but no sex after the breakup.
	But you were still in love.
	But you weren't together, but you were still kissing.
	And cuddling.
	But not together.
	So you said you had this closure conversation a month, month and a half ago.
	Was that a final closure conversation, or was that like a preliminary closure conversation where there will be a follow-up closure conversation?
	Right now, it's just, we're just done right now.
	We're just, it's done.
	Like, nail in the coffin, never going to talk to you again, never going to see you again.
	Well, I'll probably see him.
	We go to the same college.
	MSU?
	It's a big college, isn't it?
	I know, it is.
	But, I mean, I sometimes see random people.
	Yeah, you just sometimes see him.
	I could be out grocery shopping or something, and I might see it.
	Okay.
	You know.
	Do you think it's made it difficult to move on, given that you guys continued to see each other and cuddled and kissed?
	Definitely.
	Because I didn't want to move on.
	But why continue?
	Why continue seeing each other?
	Like most people, when they break up, at least, I mean, if your intention is this is.
	Because we want it.
	Yeah, because we wanted to get together, but we would just sometimes.
	It was a lot of arguing.
	We would just argue a lot.
	And so it would just sometimes get toxic.
	And that's why we were like, we can't beat it.
	Initially, you said you broke up because of a difference in values, because he's a Muslim.
	It's all about Christian.
	Was the arguing due to the Christianity and Islam?
	Actually, sometimes, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, what was the nature of some of these other arguments and disagreements that had nothing to do with religion?
	I mean, even secular couples find things to argue about.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	It was getting to the point where we would just argue about honestly everything.
	It was just getting kind of toxic.
	Even post-breakup.
	So you broke up, but you'd continue to argue.
	I can't explain it, okay?
	I'm trying.
	Okay.
	And so you start to explain.
	You said you've been celibate.
	at what point will you so you said you're single but not available At what point will you do you think you will be available?
	When I am fully with, I just, I just need to really, really focus on God.
	And when God lays the man for me, I will know.
	What if God tells you that this is the man?
	If that is the man, then he's the man.
	But he's not Christian.
	Because that would not work.
	No.
	That would not work.
	We could not get married.
	But what if God told you?
	God wouldn't.
	What if he did?
	But he didn't.
	Well, he hasn't, but what if he did in the future?
	That would be because he.
	Would you convert to Islam?
	No, God spoke to you.
	God would never speak to me and tell me to be a different religion.
	Yeah.
	Especially if I'm a Christian and I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
	He would never tell me that, oh, now you're just a prophet.
	No, I believe Jesus is God.
	I don't.
	That just wouldn't work for me.
	All right.
	Were you religious prior, like this religious prior to meeting him?
	I was pretty lukewarm actually last year.
	I was very lukewarm.
	And that's probably why I was like, oh, it's fine.
	And then it's really not because I think I actually grew closer to my faith because I was trying to, it sounds so bad, but like I was trying to show him that his was wrong in the beginning.
	Yeah, which is terrible, I know.
	But and then I actually.
	Is he devoutly Muslim?
	Yeah.
	He's he just opening his eyes.
	Like, I've just been praying for him.
	I can see why you guys argued.
	What about you?
	I'm married.
	We've been married for four years and we've been dating for about eight.
	Sorry, married for four?
	Married for four dating.
	And I don't mean because you're argumentative.
	I mean because of the difference of faith and you trying to proselytize to a Muslim.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, we've been dating for seven years and married for four.
	Dating for my longest, yes.
	All right.
	How did you guys meet?
	We met in high school.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	Well, it's pretty hard because if you say you see your boyfriend like every two weeks, I see him in like three times a year.
	Because we met in America, so he lives in Missouri, and I live in Germany, so that's like $1,500 every time we went to see each other.
	How long have you guys been together?
	For in a couple days, it's two years, actually.
	Thank you.
	Okay, two years.
	You guys met here?
	Yeah, in Missouri.
	I was there for an exchange year.
	In high school.
	Right, yeah.
	That was two years ago almost.
	And we've been starting dating pretty quickly.
	And yeah, then I had to leave and we're only seeing each other like a couple times.
	And so you said you've been together though for two years?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We've met like, I think we've known each other for like four days until we dated.
	Like it was really fast.
	Wait, hold on.
	So you were in an exchange program.
	You were in Missouri.
	How long were you in Missouri for?
	For 11 months.
	And but you met him like four days before you were going to leave?
	Or like how long were you?
	I was in Missouri for, yeah, like right.
	I met him right in the beginning.
	And like four days after I met him, we started dating.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I see.
	But you've only, after the separation, in terms of distance, you've only seen him four times.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And has he gone to Germany?
	Yeah, he's been there once.
	And he, yeah, it's hard because we both have school, so we can't just fly whenever we want to.
	Is he coming to California to see you?
	No, he's busy right now, unfortunately.
	All right.
	And otherwise, is the relationship good?
	Yeah, it's good.
	And like when we see each other, we're obviously like super happy.
	And then maybe that's good because you said like the three months rule or you, I don't remember.
	So we still then have some distance from each other if we like get annoyed.
	Alright.
	And were the German lads not doing it for you?
	Yeah, I've never had a boyfriend before him, actually.
	I don't know.
	It was just never the right guy.
	Alright.
	But it's also, we have, I'd say we have similar culture, but some things is a little different with dating also.
	Like when we are at his parents' house, I sometimes get mad that I feel like Americans' parents are really protective that you don't do certain stuff, at least with his parents.
	And we have to keep the door open and everything.
	And I don't really, I don't know, don't agree with that.
	So I don't know, like, I'm used to parents just asking, like, yeah, should I maybe leave and you want to be alone with your boyfriend in the house?
	And I don't see the reason for not being allowed to do stuff.
	He lives at home with his parents, I assume, right?
	Yeah, he's still 18.
	I imagine it's because they don't want you having sex.
	Yeah, but why?
	Huh?
	Why?
	Are you guys?
	What?
	Are you guys hooking up?
	What do you mean?
	Are you having sex?
	Are you guys having sex?
	How do you say sex in German?
	Sex.
	No.
	Well, if his parents weren't, yeah, but not as much as you'd like because the door has to stay open.
	But if you only have like two weeks, that sucks.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, they probably, I don't know, you guys are both young, you know, so probably, at least at the time, you guys have been together for two years.
	Probably didn't want you guys fuck them while they're in the living room or some shit, you know?
	Yeah.
	Maybe it's a little different.
	Yeah.
	The parents are just like, here's a condom, here's some loot.
	Is that how it is in Germany?
	Yeah.
	Wait, what?
	Actually?
	I mean, they, I mean, we can buy our own condoms, but they're like, yeah, have fun.
	I don't know.
	Are you so serious?
	Yeah, I mean, they just teach you about how to use protection or whatever, and then it works.
	I don't know.
	Cool.
	All right.
	And, but you said it's otherwise a good relationship.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Currently single.
	Longest relationship was probably around a year and a half.
	And longest relationship, probably a year and a half.
	And recent relationship was like three months.
	That happened like over a year ago.
	So you've been single for a year?
	Yes.
	And longest 1.5 years.
	The one that ended most recently in these two, so the three-month, 1.5-year one, who ended it?
	The first, the longest relationship, it was both of us ended it.
	So it's like there was one mutual.
	I ended one, he ended one because it was three times we ended things.
	And then the second relationship was I ended it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm engaged.
	Congrats.
	Thanks.
	It's also my longest relationship.
	This October will be four years together.
	All right.
	Show us the ring.
	That's beautiful.
	Congratulations.
	He loves me very much.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Well, we've got everybody's relationship status.
	So let's get into some of the pre-show notes here.
	So who do we have first?
	We don't have Angelina.
	Hold on.
	We do also have a dating app.
	Is it from the previous show?
	We'll do.
	Yeah, why not?
	Okay, we had a girl who was going to be on last episode, but wasn't able to make it.
	We were going to review her dating app, but we forgot to do it last show, so we're just going to do it right now.
	Dating app review.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Pull it up.
	Okay, this is her.
	All right.
	She wants to break the ice by running a race.
	Loser has to make all the small talk.
	Propose to me in public.
	Talk like we've known each other for years.
	Next.
	Going on a spontaneous dating me is like going on a spontaneous adventure.
	What does that mean to well, okay, we'll get back to that.
	Princeton, she's looking for short term and she's non-monogamous.
	That means if you're, you know, this is for the viewers in the chat who are, you know, considering she's going to be sleeping with seven other men.
	Okay, next.
	My most spontaneous thing I've done, download this app.
	Is there another one or?
	Is there another?
	Go back to the adventure one.
	Most.
	Oh, okay.
	We'll see the other ones.
	You should leave a comment if you want to show me around town.
	Okay, next.
	All right, so go back to.
	Yep, wait, no, no, no.
	Go back to dating me is like going on a spontaneous adventure, but then go to that next prompt.
	The next one?
	Yeah.
	no the prompt going no no no Okay, dating me is like going on a spontaneous adventure.
	Go to the next prompt.
	The most spontaneous thing she's ever done, though, is download a dating app.
	So dating her, go back again one more time.
	So dating her is like going on a spontaneous adventure, but the most spontaneous thing she's ever done is downloaded a dating app.
	This is going to be a very dull affair.
	Very dull adventure.
	Yeah, right.
	When I think of adventure, I think you're going to go somewhere.
	There's going to be a view.
	But you'll just download the dating app with her.
	Anyways, that's my, I don't know.
	So what does it mean to the panel?
	Do y'all want a guy to take you on an adventure?
	I hear this from women all the time.
	You want a guy to take you on an adventure.
	What the fuck does that mean?
	I'm confused.
	I'm confused as a guy.
	What does it mean starting with Macy if you're inclined to have adventures?
	I mean, for me, I'm not very much of an adventure person, but like if a person was to like plan out a whole day's event and like take me around and like do stuff, I feel like that's kind of what she means when she says that.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Spontaneous to me, I guess that really just means like kind of last minute doing something really just fun and kind of random that like the other person wouldn't really expect.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Miss, I get bored.
	It's super easy.
	I like to have them plan out the entire day and have like 10 different things to do in that one day.
	Which is like a bunch of spontaneous things in one day.
	Would you consider yourself more introverted or extroverted?
	I think I'm introverted.
	Would you like to go out and do things or you prefer to stay at home?
	I love to go out and do things.
	You like to go out and do things, okay?
	The guy who you were dating, the first one you explained to us, that was on again, off again three times, you said he was boring, too sweet.
	How often would you guys go out, would you say, and go out and do a date?
	Anytime I'm back at home.
	Oh, was this long distance?
	Oh, you didn't tell us that.
	Oh, yeah.
	So you're here, and he lives, you're from?
	L.A.
	So he's in L.A.?
	Mm-hmm.
	Oh, it's not too far then.
	Huh, okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I think for me, I know spontaneous is just randomly at any time, but I think for me it's when the guy puts in the effort and the work to plan something on his own without me having to hint at it or me telling him or sending all these random videos about what I want.
	It's just him putting the time, not telling me about it, picking me up, and we do whatever he wants.
	Or what he plans, I guess.
	I can agree with that.
	When a man is considerate and like he thinks of what you would want, and then just plan the day, even if it's random.
	Yeah, yeah, I agree.
	Just like plan a date on a random day, something like that.
	Yeah, well, I don't know.
	I kind of want to be involved in the process, just like make sure we're doing something cool.
	But I like being like spontaneous, so just decide now and do it five minutes later.
	Also, very last-minute, but also like maybe something out of my comfort zone, but also safe so that I know it's going to be fun.
	But I know that I'm like, you know, like secure pretty much.
	I think guys don't want to have any sort of failure or room for failure.
	So, like, what you were hinting at is she kind of wants to have a say in what you're doing.
	So, I think by a woman saying that she wants to be spontaneous, she's hinting that she wants to just go do something out of the blue.
	But the guy is like, How do I win at that?
	How do I make you happy?
	So, I've learned that communication is important there.
	By adventure, probably doing something that you've never done but you've expressed interest in is probably the key there.
	So, for men listening, here are the cheat codes: pay attention to what she's hinting at.
	Those memes that she sends you on Instagram, like that's you should take note of that.
	And then I'll give an example of one that was really good for me.
	My fiancé bought us this package, it's called Pack Up and Go, and they plan a whole vacation for you.
	And you open up an envelope the morning of, and they send you off somewhere.
	And like, that was an awesome, spontaneous, and fun adventure.
	So, win-win.
	All right, cool.
	Yeah, I still don't really know what an adventure means, but I see it all the time.
	Well, at least when I was on the dating apps, I would see it all the time.
	Take me on an adventure.
	Okay.
	Oh, going around.
	Have you ever had a roster?
	What does that mean?
	Like, multiple people dating multiple people.
	No.
	No.
	And by dating, I can mean like casual, like anywhere from like you're even just talking to them.
	Not like multiple boys.
	I don't mean multiple boyfriends when I say like dating multiple people.
	No roster?
	No, nothing?
	No roster?
	You don't got no.
	No main hoe, no side hoes.
	No, I can't do that.
	No bench?
	You don't have a bench?
	I mean, they're there, but I don't know.
	They're on the bench.
	Okay, no.
	They're on the bench.
	They're staying on the bench.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So there's nothing right now.
	I know you want to get it.
	I don't even know.
	There's not one guy you have your eye on.
	Like, sure, but like.
	He doesn't want?
	I don't have like multiple.
	You're asking.
	You're asking for a roster.
	I don't go.
	Okay.
	But there's one guy currently in the picture, maybe, sort of.
	Sorta, kinda.
	Yeah.
	Single for one year, but kind of.
	Like, there's a guy, sort of.
	Sorta, kinda.
	Could be.
	Kinda.
	Could be.
	In the works.
	Wait, did you say you've been celibate?
	Was that you who said?
	Yeah, I was.
	Celibate for one year.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And are any of you, those of you who go to school here, in a fraternity?
	No, fraternity.
	Sorority.
	Sorority, excuse me.
	Any sorority, sorority, sorority?
	Anybody?
	I'm in a frat.
	Which one?
	Like a business frat?
	The business frat.
	Medical frat.
	The what?
	A medical frat.
	Okay.
	But that's not like typical Greek life, anyways.
	Oh, you still like parties and stuff?
	Yeah.
	Into the mic.
	Oh, yeah, it is.
	Okay.
	And it's, and you, but there's women and men in it, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Roster.
	What about you?
	Have you had a roster?
	I have.
	Currently, though, no.
	Currently, though, no.
	How big was the biggest the roster's ever been?
	Probably five guys.
	Five guys at the same time?
	Okay, cool.
	Well, not like, oh, okay.
	Well, at the same time.
	Not the same day.
	Not the same day.
	Maybe not the same day.
	Maybe not the same day.
	No, not the same day, not the same time, yeah.
	Maybe spread over a couple days, couple weeks.
	Someone takes you out Monday night, someone takes you out Wednesday night.
	Maybe someone takes you out Saturday night.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But yeah, just a little rotation.
	A little rotation.
	But like, you would also be hooking up with them too?
	Yes.
	Some of them.
	Uh-huh.
	All of them.
	All five.
	Not all of them.
	Three.
	No.
	Maybe like two or three.
	Two or three.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It depends.
	Good times.
	All right.
	What about you?
	No.
	Come on, you've had a roster.
	You've had a roster.
	You get too bored.
	You get bored too easily.
	So you're saying only one at a time?
	Exactly.
	You've got to stay loyal.
	What do you tell?
	Hold on.
	You got to stay loyal.
	This girl, you're breaking up with this dude three times.
	You get back with him.
	You're bored.
	Every three months.
	Exactly.
	Thank you, Sylvia.
	If I recall, though, like during the breaks that you had with your guy in LA, you said you would see other men during the breaks.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	But you're saying you'd only see one guy.
	At a time, yes.
	How long would those one guys last during the breaks?
	A week?
	A month?
	A month?
	Two months?
	So it'd go like, it'd be like this sort of long-term guy who's too sweet, on again, off again, break up, date a guy for a month, date another guy for a month, date another guy for the month, back with him for three months, break up with him, another guy for a month, another guy for a month, another guy for a month, break up with him, another guy for a month, like kind of like that.
	Basically.
	Basically.
	Okay.
	And how would you meet these guys?
	Typically, dating apps, in person, your fraternity?
	In person.
	In person?
	Did you go party?
	No.
	Where would you meet them?
	Anywhere.
	So you would approach them or they would approach you?
	Both?
	Yeah, through friends a lot.
	Through friends, you'd get introduced.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm going to say yes.
	Had a roster, okay.
	But only of two.
	And it really was only when the guy I mentioned of three years, he wasn't wanting to commit to me at that time.
	So I was just like hanging out with one of his distant friends until he ended things with his girl and then we got together.
	Okay, what about you?
	I've never had a roster.
	No roster, okay.
	Any roster?
	In my early 20s, yeah.
	In the 20s had a roster, okay.
	How big was the roster?
	Like no more than two.
	No more than two, okay.
	I've never had one.
	All right.
	No roster.
	Never roster.
	Never roster.
	Zero roster.
	Zero roster.
	What about you?
	I agree.
	In my early 20s, I think I had a, I wouldn't call it a roster, but I would have like someone in a back pocket, perhaps.
	But I would never like hook up with someone and then like cross-contaminate.
	So anybody who has like, there's just a set timeline for people, and I've never like gone back to that one person.
	So I would end things with that person physically.
	We wouldn't hook up again.
	I'd move on, find a new person, but I would never hook up with that guy again.
	But I would kind of keep him in my back pocket for attention, perhaps.
	This is in my early 20s.
	Okay, cool.
	I'm going to get into some of my pre-show notes here.
	So maybe we'll touch on the roster thing a little bit later on.
	So going to Macy, are your DMs fucking wild?
	Yeah, they're pretty crazy.
	Do you have like a top three messages you can tell us?
	Well, there's like, like, like, what kind of DMs are you looking for?
	The weird ones or like nice ones?
	Well, I'm wondering, like, if you just get, and I'm curious if it bothers you that people, because I've had tall friends and they're like, they tell me, oh, like, everybody fucking asked me if I play basketball.
	Like, it gets annoying.
	No, do you have that experience?
	Like, does it bother you that people will make comments about your height?
	Are you just kind of used to it?
	And it is what it is.
	I'm used to it, but like, it's still, it can get annoying.
	Can get annoying.
	Okay.
	And I mean, like, when it comes to your DMs and stuff, do you get DMs like that are height related?
	Oh, yeah.
	All the time.
	Some crazy ones.
	Some crazy sexual ones too.
	And it's like, why are you saying this to me?
	That makes me a little uncomfortable.
	What's like, if you're at liberty to share, what's like some crazy ones?
	Some crazy ones.
	I mean, it's not really crazy, but like a lot of like really short men are like, can I eat it standing up?
	Like, can you stand up and can I eat it?
	And I'm like, what the fuck, bro?
	Standing up is crazy.
	Is that possible?
	I guess.
	I know.
	I did ask my roommate about it, and she did it once, and she was like, it's a little uncomfortable.
	I did it one, but it's, you can do it.
	You've done.
	You've tried it out.
	You still want to try it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Dang.
	So, okay, what other crazy ones have you gotten?
	There are like people that are into like the giant test stuff.
	And that's like, can you stomp on me?
	Like, I want you to smush me.
	Smushing, okay.
	Step on me, like smother me.
	That kind of stuff.
	I get that a lot.
	And it's a little weird.
	Is giant a compliment or is it insulting?
	It's a compliment, but it's also like a fetish.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But if like if somebody calls you like a giantess in like a non-sexual way, is that insulting or is it like a compliment?
	I'll take it as a compliment.
	Okay.
	Because I can imagine like a really tall guy if he got called like, you're a giant.
	It could be a compliment.
	That's what most people think.
	You get Amazon.
	Okay.
	What's like, I don't know if you remember this, do you have like worst pickup lines related to height besides the like eat it standing up thing?
	That's wild, by the way.
	That's crazy.
	I mean.
	That's crazy.
	I feel like people never like try to do pickup lines.
	They're just like straight to the point.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	The DMs must be crazy though.
	Any others that you can think of or just the standing up one?
	I mean those are really the ones I get the most.
	I mean I could look through my DMs, but I clear them out regularly so I don't see people like that.
	Okay.
	Now you said in your pre-show notes that you said modern dating isn't even worth it.
	So I guess what are your thoughts there?
	Bad experiences or just?
	I've had some really bad experiences, especially through dating apps.
	Just like I'll tell people, I'm like, hey, I am like, I'm really nervous and like I don't do a lot of physical touch.
	So if we like meet up, you just know that it's just going to be like a conversation.
	It's going to happen.
	And then that's where men mostly test my boundaries.
	I've had one guy, like we were supposed to go out to eat lunch, and then he was like, oh, I can't do that.
	Do you want to just like come over and watch a movie?
	And I was like, that's a little sus.
	But sure, I'll give you the benefit of doubt.
	You seem like a nice person.
	I was wrong.
	We start the movie and he does a little like reach over arm thing.
	Can you do it, demonstrate on her?
	One of those.
	Oh, God.
	Like this.
	Not even like five minutes into the movie, he's like trying to kiss me.
	And I tell him, no, I don't want to do that.
	I don't know who you are.
	And when I say I don't know who you are, he then goes like, okay, I was born here.
	I went to school here.
	Yada yada.
	You know who I am now.
	And I'm like, no, that's not how it works.
	And so I'm like, can we just watch the movie and maybe like talk afterwards?
	Maybe another five to ten minutes into the movie.
	He tries it again.
	I tell him, hey, you're making me uncomfortable.
	He's like, well, if you're so uncomfortable, why don't you leave?
	So I got up and left.
	There you go.
	Good.
	Good for you.
	Good.
	Yeah.
	Said you leave.
	You left.
	Yeah, that's.
	Probably didn't.
	It sounds like he didn't really take a hint, though, you know?
	He just kind of, yeah.
	Yeah, it's always uncomfortable in those situations.
	Well, sorry to hear that.
	Definitely awkward.
	And then, anyways, moving on from that, you said that, and you also do OF.
	What kind of content are you doing on there?
	Is it like tasteful stuff or like full-blown, you know?
	I kind of do a little bit of everything now.
	Okay.
	But I'm trying to like wean off of OnlyFans because I want to go to college and actually get a degree.
	Sure.
	Is your girlfriend involved with the like, do you guys?
	No.
	It's just like solo.
	Yeah, it's just solo.
	Okay.
	I have a video with an ex-partner and that's that's about as deep as it goes.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	You also said you do dick ratings.
	On your OF.
	On your OF you do.
	Is it in, like, do you do it in inches or centimeters?
	Sorry, that was a bad joke.
	I mean, they just send me a photo of their penis, and I look at it, and I'm like, well, I usually rate it on, like, the color.
	The color.
	The texture.
	Tech texture.
	How big it is, how grithy it is.
	Yeah.
	You know, gotta cover all of that.
	Do you try to be pretty reasonable with the ratings, though, or sometimes?
	No, I would like to be really mean.
	Oh, oh.
	It's like degradation.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Because it's just a lot of dicks.
	I'm not really.
	A lot of dicks.
	I'm not really into that anymore, really.
	So it's like, I'm just going to roast the fuck out of these men and they're going to pay me for it.
	There you go.
	What's the highest dick rating?
	Like, is it a one out of ten?
	Or is it like a review?
	So either I'll do like a one out of ten or I'll just be like, why the fuck is your penis so textured?
	Like do you have herpees or some shit?
	Damn.
	You know?
	How much do they pay you?
	That's crazy.
	Earlier on when I was doing OnlyFans, it was like $35, but now I only do it for $15.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Is there like a discount code going on right now for anybody who wants to do it?
	Sorry.
	No, okay.
	All right.
	Sorry, boys.
	Sorry, guys, in the chat.
	If you want to have your PP degraded.
	All right.
	Going to, let's go to Kalani.
	Kaylani.
	Yes.
	Let's see.
	You said.
	Said a lot, man.
	Pretty complicated right now.
	Oh, wait.
	This guy I was with for nine months tried kissing my new roommates at the time, and turned out he had a girlfriend the whole time.
	Was that the Muslim guy?
	No.
	Oh, somebody else.
	This is like previously.
	Pretty three years ago, yeah.
	Okay.
	Was there a story there?
	Yeah, we were together for like nine months, and I didn't know he had a girlfriend.
	And she called me when I was going to the pool.
	And I was like, oh, spam call.
	So I answered.
	I'm like, hello?
	And she's like, hey, is this Kay?
	I'm like, who's asking?
	She's like, oh, how do you know so-and-so?
	I'm like, what do you mean?
	And she was like, that's my boyfriend.
	I was like, yikes.
	That sucks.
	Can I have you just tilt your mic down a little bit?
	Perfect.
	So, okay.
	And then also in your notes, you said you want to talk about Christianity or talk about why women can't just bring a personality to the table and they need to be traditional women if they want a traditional man.
	Yeah.
	So what do you mean by that?
	I was a little confused.
	I mean, if you want a traditional man, you kind of got to be a traditional woman.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	Okay.
	So your position is women can't just bring a personality.
	I mean, they can if they don't want a traditional man.
	Right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you said, I used to have a hard time understanding this until my brother broke down for me and it's like this.
	We as women are sticky notes.
	And if you keep sticking a sticky note everywhere, the sticky note loses its value and no one wants a sticky.
	If it needs some tape, we as women can't expect to be the prize if we have lost our stickiness.
	There's no need for a sticky that doesn't stick when you can't get a fresh new sticky note that does stick.
	There you go.
	It's a good way to put it.
	No, it's not signal that's sticking everywhere.
	Look at that sticky note.
	So that's what you said.
	So you said that, and is this related to like body count?
	Is that what it's related to?
	I mean, I'm not one to shame women who have a high body count, but...
	You're not?
	Uh-huh.
	You...
	You can if you want to.
	Oh my gosh.
	I'm not gonna.
	If you want to, you can do it.
	No, but I don't feel like doing that.
	But so the sticky note thing, the more bodies you have, the less you can stick onto a new partner.
	I mean, you're basically having sex with all those people they had sex with.
	And I see you kind of shaking your head and you agree, you disagree.
	I'm not like a church goer anymore, but I, yeah, no, it was taught to us the same way where, except for us, it was like a rose or a piece of chewed gum.
	They were like, you take this flower, you crumple it up, you can't fucking put it back together again.
	It's ruined.
	You're done.
	Oh, okay.
	But so do you agree with that sentiment or disagreement?
	I think, I agree with the sentiment of if you want a traditional man.
	I don't think you necessarily have to be traditional to get a traditional man.
	Sure.
	but I think you are definitely more likely to get a traditional man if you are a traditional woman.
	And I think it is a bit, yes, hypocritical if you're going to say you want a traditional man but not be a traditional woman.
	So I'm going to open this up to the whole panel.
	Going around the table, when it comes to the sticky note thing, do you agree with this?
	Do you disagree when it comes to the more partners you've had, you tend to stick less to the next partner?
	Starting with Macy, go ahead.
	I mean, if you want a traditional husband, yes, but like anyone else, I disagree with that.
	Well, I think for this one, we remove the traditional component to it.
	Then I don't agree.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Into the mic.
	Um, I don't know.
	I don't really have a firm opinion on that.
	No firm opinion.
	Yeah, like me personally, I guess I'd lean more towards that idea.
	Like, I wouldn't.
	That's one of the reasons why I don't date, like, anybody anywhere anytime.
	Are you selective with who you?
	I am very selective, yeah.
	Okay.
	But I don't think it's a bad thing if other people disagree.
	What about you?
	I mean, I don't.
	I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing, but I think you should be realistic about if that is the path you're going to take, who then may or may not be available to you because that was the path that you chose to take.
	I think that's totally valid for everyone to be like, oh yeah, like you may have a lot of bodies, so I don't really want to be another one of those.
	But I think also, if you can't take the time to look past someone's past and then sit down and say, okay, well, why were you the way that you were?
	I think that's also just a bit immature of you.
	And that tells me that you can't look past the past.
	I think everybody should be forgiven.
	Again, it goes back to the traditional thing.
	If you want a traditional man, a traditional man should be able to forgive you and then change you and lift you up.
	Okay, well, how do you feel, Brian?
	Because, I mean, let's say you met a girl who wasn't necessarily traditional, but you loved her enough and she was willing enough to then go to church, go the traditional path.
	People do that.
	People are technically rebirthed or whatever.
	Like Nala Ray.
	Oh!
	Oh!
	You know that girl?
	I don't know her, but I've seen her on TikTok quite a bit.
	Yeah, with red hair.
	Yeah, we've had her on the chat.
	I know that's the only reason why I know her.
	Nala Rae, you think she's...
	She changed for her man, too.
	I think it is so, so critical for people to think and believe that people are subject to change.
	That, yes, someone can have an event in their life.
	You can change.
	Turn around and change everything.
	Well, you can change, but men are not obliged to then disregard your history and baggage.
	That goes back to what I was saying with, yeah, if they say that they don't want to date you because you have too many bodies and don't want to be another body, yeah, that's fine.
	You can't really be hurt about that because that was the path you chose to take.
	Yeah, true.
	What about you?
	What do you think?
	Sticky note thing.
	I agree.
	You agree?
	But to an extent.
	To an extent.
	What is the extent to which you agree?
	I think it goes for both, like, it goes for both ways, right?
	You don't want your man to be a whore either.
	Yeah.
	You don't want your what?
	You don't want your man to be a whore either.
	I'm sorry.
	I can't hear one more time.
	A whore.
	A hoe.
	You don't want him to be a hoe.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So it goes for both ways.
	You would not date a hoe.
	A man hoe.
	Never.
	You would not date a man-hoe.
	Never.
	Never.
	So if a guy revealed to you, I have a body count of 20, is that too high for you?
	Way too high.
	What about 10?
	Way too high.
	No, really?
	Way too high.
	Too high?
	What's your body count?
	Zero.
	Shut no.
	Come on.
	It's a zero.
	Yeah.
	It's zero.
	I'm confused.
	I'm so confused.
	Can you stop playing at me?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Zero?
	Zero.
	Maybe that's why you get bored.
	You're not fucking.
	Exactly.
	That's why you get bored.
	You ain't having sex.
	Exactly.
	What else is there to do?
	I'm kidding.
	But actually, what else you want to do?
	Wait, for real, though, you're key card?
	Yes.
	Virgin.
	Okay.
	Still a flower.
	Yes.
	Have you, I mean, have you.
	Have you, I mean, like, are you waiting until marriage or what's the story here?
	Yes.
	Good child of God.
	Good story.
	Stop the cap.
	I don't.
	So you're religious?
	I'm Christian, yes.
	What denomination?
	Oh, Presbyterian.
	Okay.
	And you've been like your parents are religious too?
	Very much.
	And you go to church?
	Yes.
	Is there a church here?
	Not here.
	There's not a Presbyterian church here?
	I don't know.
	The churches here are kind of culti.
	I've been to some.
	They're culti?
	Okay, Presbyterian.
	Huh.
	So you are waiting for marriage?
	No.
	Wait, what?
	I was just kidding about that.
	No.
	About.
	You're kidding about what?
	Waiting for marriage.
	Not waiting for marriage.
	But are you a virgin?
	Yes.
	Well, so what are you kidding about and what's I mean?
	I am.
	I have a body count of zero.
	I'm not waiting till marriage.
	Okay, so you're waiting for the right guy?
	Yes.
	But you've dated multiple men and none of them were the right guy?
	No.
	The guy you dated, was he as a Christian?
	The two guys that you had like a year-ish.
	I have no clue.
	What?
	How would you not know?
	I don't ask about religion.
	Is it important for you for your partner to be Christian?
	It is, but unless it's like serious, I don't want to ask.
	Doesn't matter.
	And it's never been that serious.
	But you want something serious, don't you?
	Not yet.
	But if, okay.
	I'm just confused.
	So you don't want something serious, but you also, you're not engaging in casual sex.
	You do want, you don't want to wait until marriage, but whoever you do have sex with, you want this to be like the right guy, I'm assuming.
	Yes.
	Could the right guy, like, could you have sex with the guy on the first date if he's the right guy?
	No.
	So you would have to be in like a relationship.
	A legit relationship, yes.
	Okay.
	But you're avoiding a legit relationship through your conduct.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, but like, you said you get bored very easily.
	So how, I mean, this, it occurs to me, given what you've disclosed so far, that this is, I'm not saying this to be insulting, is probably a defect on you as opposed to the men that you're dating.
	Probably.
	And it's not necessarily perhaps an innate defect, but I mean, to be dumping someone because you're bored, but then getting back with them because you're bored and then it's a bit conducive to procuring a long-term serious relationship.
	If your primary, like, what's the primary thing you're looking for?
	Excitement?
	I don't know.
	I'm young once.
	I'm doing what everyone else is doing.
	Well, you aren't, because, I mean, everybody else is just having casual sex.
	Yeah.
	Well, on one hand, you are kind of casually dating, but you're not having casual sex.
	I suppose that's better than if you were just having casual sex.
	But it's you're getting the same experience, but with.
	Without the sex, exactly.
	The attention.
	The intention.
	Exactly.
	I'm just confused.
	What, like, I mean, what?
	What are the guys looking for?
	I don't know.
	I never asked.
	I never got that serious.
	I feel like you like the attention, you just don't like the commitment because you're not ready for it.
	Yes.
	But here's where I'm confused.
	So most guys who would be inclined to casually date, sex is going to be a component of that for most men.
	You disagree?
	Yeah, I disagree.
	Well, for me, sex isn't like a big thing in a relationship.
	Well, for you or in general?
	For me.
	Okay.
	Just personally.
	But what about for other people?
	What about for other people?
	Well, like, if I'm going to, like, casually date, I would definitely talk about it with the person I'm going to date.
	But, like, for me, I don't participate in the hookup culture.
	I am really weird about having sex.
	So I understand where she's coming from.
	You don't need to have a sexual relationship to have a relationship.
	No, you don't need it.
	I don't have really any objections to what she's actually doing.
	I'm just kind of confused because if a guy is inclined to wait because she wants to wait for sex, it seems like it would be a mismatch on the guy's part to casually date her, but there's a total lack of sex.
	That's, I mean, look, there's asexual people, there's people with really low sex drives.
	But is that you?
	Are you asexual?
	No.
	What?
	I mean, you guys are friends.
	You chuckle at each other.
	It's me, bro.
	It's me.
	You're the asexual one?
	Or low sex drive?
	I just, yeah.
	Like, that's always been the case, sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That's why I understand where she's.
	So, like, when you say low-sex drive, what does that mean?
	Like, the guy I was with for five years, we never did.
	Wait, hold on.
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	The guy you were dating for five years, you guys never had carnal knowledge.
	We didn't do anything.
	No carnal knowledge.
	Are you also virgin?
	Yeah.
	This is why we're visiting.
	Stop the calf.
	Wait, are you also virgin?
	Okay.
	Any other virgins?
	Any virgins?
	Virgins at the table?
	No, fucking.
	There's no way.
	This is why we're all fragments.
	The trifecta of virgins.
	Hold on.
	Levadovsky for the hat trick!
	Put it in!
	Oh my god, this is one of Levandovsky's finest performances!
	It's a hat, a virgin hat-trick.
	Okay.
	That's crazy.
	Do you guys believe this?
	Do you guys believe this?
	I do.
	I do.
	I have.
	Okay Are you religious?
	Yeah.
	Christian?
	I would say Christian.
	I'm kind of like, I believe in God, but I don't have a firm stance.
	And then you also religious?
	I am Christian, yes.
	Oh.
	So, yes.
	Okay, it's a little more believable.
	It might be worth noting we've got them off the street, too.
	Oh, my, that's true.
	In the mean streets of Santa Barbara.
	Got them off the streets.
	They're walking the streets.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't know how that would happen.
	Well, no, I mean.
	Okay, cool.
	So five years?
	Yes.
	Like, was he trying to smash?
	Or you guys were just kind of in this asexual.
	He had like asked me about my opinion on it, and I was like, yeah, no, I'm chilling.
	Wait, he asked you on your own.
	He sat me down one night.
	My dear, what are your thoughts and feelings and opinions on the chances of us having sexual intercourse?
	Verbatim.
	That's what he said verbatim.
	We had the conversation.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And so how did it go?
	How did it go?
	Did he put, was there a PowerPoint presentation?
	No.
	These are the reasons why we should have sex.
	Exhibit A, exhibit B, exhibit C.
	It was a very casual conversation.
	Yeah.
	And what did you say?
	You were just like, how long did he talk for?
	Like, he asked the question for like 30 seconds.
	And then were you just like, no.
	Yeah, I was like, no, I'm chill.
	Like, I'm interested.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Are you waiting for marriage?
	Originally, yeah, I wanted to wait for marriage.
	You wanted to wait for marriage?
	Yeah.
	Well, you still are.
	Yeah.
	I'm still on that path.
	Okay.
	And then you waiting for marriage?
	Yes, waiting for marriage.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	All right, wholesome group here.
	Kind of.
	Kind of.
	Anyways.
	Okay, good to know.
	That changes a lot of things.
	So, did not know that.
	What were we talking about?
	Sticky notes.
	Sticky note.
	Sticky note.
	Your turn.
	Okay.
	I think I'm 50-50 on it.
	I think it really just depends on the guy.
	It depends on the situation.
	If you are looking again for somebody that has the same values as you, then maybe you might want to choose ahead of time not to live that life, but you can also find a man that says and believes that your past was your past and to keep it as that and to be loyal and faithful with that singular person moving on.
	And I relate to a lot of like what you had said a while ago in terms of if somebody truly loves you, they will forgive you for your past and move on.
	And I only know that because in my situation of three years, he held my past over my head.
	And then when one month of us breaking up, he started dating another female that had the very identical past as me, but is doing everything that he refused to do with me.
	So he was able to forgive her, but not me.
	And that's just the type of person.
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	What do you mean?
	Yeah, it was your take.
	It was your take.
	The sticky note thing.
	Sticky note thing.
	I agree with it.
	I think if someone has a past, it's their past.
	So you can't really change the past.
	What about you?
	I mean, I think people can change.
	Maybe they just haven't found the right one before, but I think most of the time they're not going to change.
	And just curiosity.
	People can definitely change.
	And I think you just have to have an open conversation with your partner and make sure that you agree before committing to something.
	Yeah.
	I think it depends on the woman's stance on her past, if she's willing to be honest about it or if she's going to try.
	What a lot of women try to do is double down and defend their actions and act like they didn't do anything wrong.
	And I find a big problem with that.
	But if you're able to own up and admit that you made a mistake and you have a change of perspective, there's something to be respected there.
	Yep.
	I want to kind of reframe the question a little bit.
	So let's say either a guy you were interested in dating, and this is assuming I know some of you guys are here are virgins, but let's assume you had a sexual history he wasn't satisfied with, Or you just vaguely heard about a guy who he refused to date a girl because strictly because of her sexual past.
	So let's say she had a body count of 20.
	Would you object to a guy on that basis alone choosing not to date her to reject her?
	Would you object to that?
	I'm a little confused about the question.
	Okay, yeah, so question.
	Either somebody, you can look at it from either somebody you're interested in or you're just hearing about this a girlfriend of yours or you just heard a news story about whatever it is.
	A guy refuses to date a woman, turns her down because she has a body count of 20.
	She slept with 20 guys.
	Do you object to him refusing to date her on that basis?
	Is it wrong?
	I feel like, because like when, for me, I don't judge people based on like what they do, who they do.
	Like I don't care.
	So I feel like it's a little wrong.
	But then again, it's up, it's personal opinion.
	The guy can do whatever they want.
	He can do it, but you think he'd be, you think he's immature or it's not reasonable?
	I think it's a little amateur, yeah, that you can't see a person past what they do sexually.
	What about you?
	No, I don't think it's wrong.
	No objections.
	What about you?
	I mean, if it were someone that I was interested in, I guess it really depends, like, interested in seeing.
	I guess it really depends.
	I wouldn't turn them down just for the fact that they had a lot of people in their past, but if they were still, like, hooking up with me and I was just one of the bitches on their roster and they were sitting here being like, oh, yeah, I want this with you, but then not cutting off those other girls or cutting them off as soon as he said that.
	Yeah, no.
	Good.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	No objections.
	No objections.
	I don't think I have any objections.
	I think it just depends on the guy's values and what he wants.
	If he's okay with a female having a body count and that person has changed, then there should be no issue with them dating.
	But if that's something he's not interested in, then he needs to go find a lady that has not slept with many men.
	No objections.
	No objections.
	Yeah, I think as long as he's polite about it, there's no problem saying that.
	No objections.
	Also, no objections.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Pretty, pretty much almost consensus there.
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	Let me get to.
	We did.
	Can I add something to the last topic?
	So when before my marriage, before I got with my husband, I was in a serious relationship with a man who was a virgin.
	And at the time, my body count was three.
	And he actually told me after we had already been dating for like three years that he had a problem with my body count.
	And it changed our entire relationship.
	We ended up breaking up because of it.
	So, yeah, it happens.
	You guys were dating for 10, or sorry, three years?
	Yeah, we were dating for three years, and then he finally told me that he had a problem with my body count.
	So, it sounds like he was holding resentment the whole time, but he just wasn't being honest with himself about it.
	Yeah.
	Like, a lot of people do that.
	They'll enter into a relationship thinking that they're okay with something.
	And it's not just body count, right?
	It could be someone's really into hiking, and then the woman's like, oh, yeah, I'm into camping.
	And like, you know, she'll lie about it because they like you up front.
	They want to get you.
	And then over time, that resentment builds.
	Yeah.
	Sorry that happened to you.
	Yeah.
	And you said the potty count was three?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Nobody's safe out there.
	No one's safe.
	I have a question for you, Ms. Girl.
	You said in your question, or answer to the last question, how like if people came and were honest and realized that it was a mistake, what if it wasn't a mistake that they made?
	What if they don't consider it a mistake, their past?
	That's what I said.
	Some people try to, like, they'll double down on it and then they'll defend their past.
	And if that's the route you want to go, then take that route.
	But I just said someone can either defend their actions, feel justified in what they did, or feel remorse for what they did, repent, change their behavior.
	Do you think it's okay to not take the repentance path?
	I think that's up to the individual and what she chooses to do.
	At the end of the day, you're responsible for your actions and you have to answer for what you choose to do.
	Did you have another question?
	Sorry, I just got in here.
	I guess we'll go around with the random question.
	What is everyone's biggest red flag in a guy or in a girl, I guess, if you date girls?
	Yeah.
	Lack of communication.
	I was literally going to say more communication.
	I feel like we should have different ones for everyone.
	So it's like, obviously.
	I'll give you something different.
	This is one I learned later on in life, and that's difference in values is huge.
	That actually, I learned that from my fiancé.
	That's huge.
	If you can't agree on morals and values, you don't have anything.
	So that's a huge red flag.
	I feel like not very many people understand that until later in life, also.
	Because they don't really know what their morals or values are yet.
	Right.
	Until I guess in their like 20s, I would say.
	But that's very valid.
	Yeah, I think in my early 20s, I was kind of loose on my political views.
	I wasn't confident in who I was as a person.
	So yeah, that made me just date different people, and I was pretty impressionable as well.
	So I would kind of cater towards what their stance was, but I wasn't being true to myself.
	And it just took maturity and growth to learn what was important to me and then become secure in that and then demand that of someone else as well.
	I really just think respect, respect for me, my time, my space, and the relationship, respect for everything is important for me.
	I agree with that.
	Mine's consideration.
	Like, I want you to be considerate of me.
	Like, if you're out somewhere and obviously we're dating, that you would know not to do something because it would make me feel a certain type of way.
	So to like, in a way, selflessness.
	there anything more like physical more physical like like an egg I wouldn't turn off.
	Okay.
	I know this probably sounds a little shallow, but I wouldn't want to date a guy who's shorter than me.
	Oh, I just, I don't want to look down on him.
	Man.
	How tall are you?
	5'4.
	So.
	Okay, it's not hard.
	It's not hard, but Macy, you had quite a reaction there.
	What are your thoughts there?
	I mean, I've never really met anyone, like a man taller than me.
	So I've always had to deal with the fact that they're always going to be shorter than me.
	Yeah.
	So that was kind of surprising.
	I'm sorry.
	It's okay.
	Word.
	I have a question for Maisie.
	How do you handle that?
	Like, how do you deal with a guy being shorter than you?
	Is it something that's ever like bugged you or no?
	No, not really.
	It probably bugs them more than it bugs me.
	I remember last year I dated a guy and we went on a date and we were holding hands and walking and I made a comment.
	I was like, you look like my little toddler.
	It really hurt his feelings and I meant it as a joke.
	Like you took it to heart.
	He's like, never say that again.
	Please.
	I ask you a question.
	It's okay if you don't answer.
	Do you think that that experience with men has led you to want to date women?
	Not really.
	It's been more of like the bad parts of having to date a man that have and what bad parts?
	They're kind of scary.
	I've had some really scary instances with men and I knew ever since high school that I've like liked other genders.
	So but it didn't take me until after high school to kind of like explore that.
	I have a question on that though.
	So you're saying essentially you've had bad experiences with men.
	Because of these bad experiences you sort of have a prejudgment now towards all men or a bias essentially.
	Yeah, I'll go there.
	Now let's add another identity factor to this.
	Let's say these were all black men and you had a lot of experiences with poor experiences with black men, or actually let's just say black people.
	Would it be racist to have a bias against all black people because of your poor experience with experiences with some black people?
	I've actually never had any experiences with black men so, but that's not my question, I know, but no, I wouldn't, like I wouldn't not date a whole race just because one person was bad to me.
	You know, but couldn't the same apply then to gender?
	Yeah, kind of, I feel like yes and no, because like that's Yeah, it's because the way she put it was that she had repetitive bad experiences with men.
	And I feel like as a collective, yes, when you have shit experiences with one group of people, it's kind of the responsible thing to just sit back and say, okay, well, I'm just not going to interact with them anymore.
	I mean, that doesn't say that you still have, like, that's not to say that every interaction is bad.
	It's not to say that there won't be a good interaction in the future or that there can't be.
	Sure.
	But right now, it's just the wiser choice to take yourself out of that situation.
	And I think it's totally valid for someone not to want to date a specific gender just because they've had repetitive, bad experiences.
	Well, even removing the dating component, it's kind of the general, the bias exists regardless of whether she wants to date the men or not.
	So my question then would be, if you've had multiple bad experiences with somebody who's black, for example, can you then extend this sort of logical thinking in terms of your bias towards black people?
	Well, because, okay, I would also never.
	Well, because that's the thing is, like, some people don't find certain races attractive.
	And I'm like, they would never still be racist or bad towards that person of that race.
	I think as long as you're still respecting everybody on a like good, humane, respectable level.
	I'm not saying anybody's not.
	I think dating bias is totally fine.
	Well, you don't have to be, you're not compelled to date anybody.
	Yeah.
	If you have a racial preference, I think that's totally fine.
	I think that what I'm more so getting at is this, I guess, this bias against men, if applied to a racial group or a religious group or ethnic group or whatever it is.
	Yeah.
	If you had poor experiences with Asian people, would it then be justified to have a bias against all Asian people?
	No.
	Because you've had poor experiences or some Asian people.
	That's different.
	That's completely different.
	Because then you're seeing a whole group of people in that light in a different situation.
	Dating in just real life situations are so completely different.
	Dating bias is really completely different than just bias bias.
	Because you can still have someone who's plain out just not attracted to that race.
	Well, I think if my understanding is correct, the justification here...
	And it's not fueled by racism.
	Not...
	Not everything like that has to be fueled by racism.
	You can just say you don't find someone attractive.
	Right, but it's not clear to me if that's at least the case here with Macy.
	I think, Macy, you said that you don't date men not because there's perhaps a lack of romantic or sexual interest, but because, precisely because you've had poor experiences with them.
	And then there's also a corresponding bias that you have in general towards men.
	Did I say white men?
	I'm sorry, I just meant men.
	No, I think you just said that.
	I think I said, yeah, just men.
	Like, as of currently, I probably wouldn't, like, sorry.
	I wouldn't date men right now because I am low-key, very traumatized.
	But that doesn't mean I wouldn't date them in the future.
	It really depends on the personality of the person.
	Sure.
	Yeah, but that's all I have to say.
	Okay.
	No, I'm just, I don't think there's actually anything wrong with if you have your orientation.
	You said you're pansexual.
	If you're more interested in dating women, I don't think there's anything wrong there.
	I guess it's just the more, it's more so I'm trying to analyze the actual underlying bias here.
	So that's kind of what I'm getting at.
	I don't know how to explain that.
	Well, I think a lot of women feel the way you feel.
	And I think actually a very good segue is you get randomly dropped into a forest.
	You can choose for a random man or a random bear to also be randomly dropped in a forest with you.
	Oh no.
	So hold on, let's get everybody's answer.
	Starting with Macy, which do you pick?
	I pick the bear.
	The bear?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Probably the bear.
	What about you?
	I need the cute.
	I mean, did you say they're cute?
	Okay.
	When they're sleeping.
	There's a greater chance of the bear being cuter than the guy being cuter.
	You're not.
	This isn't about attraction.
	This is about survival.
	So she would date you.
	She's going to date the bear then.
	I'm shocked.
	What about you?
	I think I.
	I feel like this is such a hard one.
	It's so easy.
	No, because for me, I feel like it's hard.
	Because for me, I feel like it's hard.
	I mean, like, what if you just already know how to survive a bear?
	Like, what kind of bear is it?
	Is it a brown bear?
	A black bear?
	Are we laying down and playing dead and going?
	Random man, random bear.
	Could be brown, could be grizzly, could be polar bear.
	Oh, polar bears are so cute.
	Not cute.
	And there's a bear.
	Polar bear is guaranteed death.
	Polar bear is like the most.
	No, that's death.
	You're literally dying.
	Which do you pick?
	Don't think about death.
	Oh, my God.
	Don't think about death.
	One, like, cute.
	Huh?
	Bear.
	Bear.
	I'm going to say bear because I think either way, you have chances of either the man or the bear just leaving you the fuck alone or getting attacked and killed or possibly worse.
	Actually, there's really not much worse than getting attacked and killed.
	Oh, there's worse.
	Actually, yeah.
	Okay.
	There's worse.
	Sure.
	I'll grant to you.
	Worse being the things they do up to you.
	I will even grant.
	Yeah, and that's after death.
	Yeah, so I would even grant to you that a malevolent human could conceivably come up with some way that would be your death or torture would be much more horrible than the even some bears, for example, they won't kill you right away, but they'll start eating you.
	So the death by the bear could be terrible, but I'll even grant that the worst death by bear versus the worst death by human or experience with a human could conceivably be worse than the death by the bear.
	But even granting that, is it still bear or?
	I think it'd be still bear.
	Into the mic if you can, but bear.
	Bear.
	In terms of survival, I'm going to.
	Wait, hold on, hold on.
	Sorry.
	I think we missed you.
	Go ahead again, please.
	I'm choosing a man in terms of survival.
	Man?
	Okay, what about you?
	A man.
	I actually had a man pop out of the woods at my job, and I'm like, really grateful that it was a man and not a bear.
	So there you go.
	So men.
	Man.
	Definitely.
	Yeah, definitely men.
	Gonna have to go with man.
	Absolutely man.
	Okay, so those of you who said bear, I think it was you four here.
	Why?
	Starting with you.
	If I was in the middle of the forest and a bear or a man like suddenly appeared, I'd be way scared.
	I would be way less scared if a bear was in front of me.
	You'd be less scared.
	Yeah, have you ever been confronted by a bear?
	No.
	But I've also never been confronted by men in the woods.
	So I don't think I could say anything.
	You could just bark at the man and act like a zombie or something, you know?
	But if you do that to a bear, then you're not going to be afraid.
	Wait, you could what?
	Like start acting like a concrete zombie or something?
	You said bark?
	Yeah, or like now that you've said that, you actually have to do it right now on the show.
	I can do the Minecraft zombie noise.
	Do I do that?
	But if you do that to a bear, you might like invite it to attack you versus a man.
	You can kind of scare them off, maybe.
	Okay, all right.
	So you said why?
	Because you'd be more scared of the man.
	Okay, what about you?
	I feel like I already said this, but, yeah, I just take my chances.
	I feel like it's pretty, I don't know.
	It was a hard question for me because I feel like either way, if you just like, you know, I don't know, don't mess with it, it could not mess with you.
	I feel like there's a chance of survival for both.
	Definitely it's less with the bear, but I don't know.
	I think I'd rather take my chances with the bear.
	At least that one's actually supposed to be in the forest because it lives in the forest.
	Well, so the scenario is you randomly get dropped into the forest and then the man ran like of a random man from the entire U.S. population also gets picked dropped into the forest.
	So there's no motivation.
	Why is he in the forest?
	It's just randomly in the forest.
	But if you're getting dropped in the same location, you will come across either the man or the bear.
	There's not, you're not going to be able to like hide.
	He won't see you.
	Like he will see you.
	You will see him.
	The bear will see you.
	You'll see the bear.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	But you're free.
	You can run away.
	You can stand there.
	You can walk past.
	Like what you do is up to you, I guess.
	I can play dark.
	I can play dead.
	Yeah.
	Well.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, I can't outrun a bear.
	So maybe I'll change my answer to a man.
	But your original answer was bear.
	Yeah.
	But.
	Well, maybe the bear leaves you alone.
	Maybe the bear does nothing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But so why did you pick the bear initially?
	I don't know.
	I think just literally, because I like animals.
	I know that's such a stupid answer because my life is on the line, but like I do like animals.
	Well, I'll just grant that you do like animals, but in this situation that really, it's ultimately a question about your survival, right?
	Yeah.
	So your like or dislike for an animal is kind of irrelevant.
	I feel like a random man could be more scary than a bear, like bears have a set nature.
	Men don't.
	And like, what?
	Don't.
	It's true.
	You never know what a man can do.
	You know what a bear can do.
	What's a man's set nature?
	They don't have one.
	Men don't have a.
	They don't have a set nature.
	How many random men do you pass on the street every day?
	Oh, like many, yeah.
	Do they harm you?
	No.
	So they're predictable to some degree.
	Yeah, I guess you could say like.
	Well, I mean, okay, so let's say, I mean, do you go party on DP?
	I have before, yeah.
	And you walk.
	I mean, they're fairly predictable in that none of them have ever walked up to you and like punched you in the face.
	Yeah, they're fairly predictable.
	Okay, so you can predict that.
	But that's here.
	And if we're going into the wide scope of the whole world, you think of everything that's ever happened, there's nothing to say that it can't happen to you.
	Yeah, sure.
	Geographically, your risk could be higher in some geographies.
	But, I mean, I'll just simplify it.
	Let's just say it's a forest in the U.S. and the man will be a U.S. citizen.
	That still doesn't change anything.
	There's still plenty of men who have done horrible things in the U.S.
	Sure, yeah, there's plenty of.
	So I would rather die honorably by a bear and have it eat me and like it be useful or something than die to like a man.
	But remember, the scenario is not, you don't know for certain for either the man or the bear if they're going to be aggressive towards you.
	They might.
	Yeah, they might.
	Both of them might, but both of them might not.
	Yeah, but I feel like a man could do far worse than a bear can.
	Like, hate me.
	Like, I don't care.
	Like, so.
	Yeah.
	A man could also eat you.
	Annibalism is a thing, Jeffrey Devil.
	Sure, yeah.
	And then, Macy, what about you?
	I agree with her, but like, I am, like, low-key.
	I have a fear of men.
	Like, if I was alone with a man, I would be scared.
	So, I would rather just be killed by a bear than get, like, I don't know the intentions of the man, but like, I would just rather be killed by a bear.
	Okay, so you're scared of men?
	Are you scared of Nick?
	No.
	No, he's chill.
	Okay, all right.
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	Do you realize that if a bear got into your home and you call animal control or the police most likely men would arrive to save your stupid asses?
	There's only one man in the floor.
	There's no police.
	Well, police.
	I've actually made this argument before, but pagan, thank you, man.
	Appreciate the TTS.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	We also do have another chat here.
	Dude, 1990.
	Ladies, I would pick you over the bear 10 out of 10 times, even though the majority of you would pick the bear.
	Wow.
	Kind of a simp, but okay.
	What a simp.
	All right, thank you, though.
	I appreciate it, man.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Actually, though, I mean, truthfully, though, it would be, at least from the male perspective, if it's random woman, random bear, yeah, the smart move would be to pick the woman, but I would pick the man too.
	Men are stronger.
	And to be fair, man and man, like, if you as a man being in the forest with another man, that's less of a threat than as a woman.
	Why is that?
	Really?
	Okay.
	Because men can physically overpower us.
	Like, me, I'm, like, working on being a bodybuilder right now.
	No matter how fucking strong I get, there's always going to be someone stronger who can just fucking pin me down and do whatever the hell they want.
	Don't you want them on your side?
	Yeah, but in a random forest, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be on my side.
	This is a random scenario.
	They could be on my side, they could not be.
	So a bear is 100% guaranteed to not be on your side.
	You realize that?
	No, it could leave you alone.
	It could leave you alone, but most likely can smell you.
	It can hunt you.
	You're guaranteed to get hunted by a bear.
	A random man, you're not 100% guaranteed to get hunted down by him.
	And if two humans are working together, your chances of survival greatly increase.
	You either come across the man or the bear, not both.
	Wait, is it both?
	No, no, it's one of the other.
	It's one or the other, but you're in a survival situation in the middle of the woods.
	Oh, I thought you were just, no, I thought it was a survival against the man or the bear.
	No.
	No.
	Oh, it's just a survival.
	You're dropped in the middle of the woods and you can choose one.
	Who do you want on your team?
	Yeah, if we're talking about like you.
	Push it back over there.
	You kind of got freaked out by that spider there.
	Are you gonna.
	I mean, you're not gonna be freaked out by a giant bear?
	Good point.
	Good point.
	Have any of you, like, been in contact with a bear?
	I've seen them.
	Yeah, they're like in the zoo or something.
	I've seen them on the street.
	It's pretty cool.
	Thank you.
	Like, I don't think we're fully dialed in on the dangers of a bear here.
	I think modern conveniences have made people believe that they're just safe all the time.
	They don't realize that bears will absolutely rip you apart.
	A couple women have died recently from bear attacks.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so it's not totally safe.
	I'm curious though, so I mean even if I grant if I grant even that there is and that well look there certainly is if it is a random man there is some potential for one of this randomly selected man to be a threat to you What percentage though do you think that that is that you would be attacked by the man in this situation?
	High, how high?
	If you had to assign a percentage into the mic, we'll start with you, we'll go back that way.
	More than 50 percent, okay.
	60 percent, 60 percent, so 60 percent would do what murder you?
	Either murder me or try to like essay you.
	Well, what percentage would try to essay you?
	60 percent yes, okay.
	Oh um, I mean like obviously okay, I totally misunderstood the question.
	But um, with men I don't know, i'd say 50 50 50 50 yeah, 50 chance of murder.
	And that's just honestly, because i've had my own personal experiences and you someone can lie to your face like I sure I had someone harm me who had known me since I was 15, and then the second I was 18, he was just like, oh yeah, give me that.
	And then well, there was nothing I could do about that.
	So 50 murder chance, because you really never know who someone truly is sure.
	Yeah, what about you?
	Damn, i'll go like 30 30, 30 men would try to attack you in some way.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would say it's a 50 50 50 okay, so I think it was 60 50 30 50 okay um, so the male population of the U.s is 165 million.
	If we do 60, i'll just, uh 60, that would be well, 50 would be about 80 million um, you think so?
	I mean, you said 60 50, 50 for you two.
	Do you genuinely think that 80 million men in the United States would be inclined to essay or murder you from the stats at UCSB?
	Yes, what are the stats at UCSB?
	I don't know, but I remember it being high.
	What are?
	You'd have to cite the uh, or at least say what the stat is.
	Something like seven out of ten girls at UCSB have been full-blown essayed.
	Yes, in some kind of way.
	Well, what?
	What is the definition of essay?
	Either cat called, either cat calling is sexual assault.
	No no no no, it's just harassment.
	No, you just hold on.
	You just said cat calling.
	Well, i'm not while, I think that's not appropriate behavior.
	How can that be sexual assault?
	Okay sorry, just any kind of harassment.
	I'm just gonna take that.
	That was included in the stud in the data.
	How could you believe data that includes cat calling as sexual assault harassment?
	Just okay fine, if i'll even grant you that uh, cat calling is harassment, but it's not sexual assault.
	I'm not saying it's.
	Other types of sexual assault include ass grabbing.
	Sure yeah, But you're saying the study cited includes cat calling.
	No, that was part of harassment.
	I just like morphed everything together.
	So you said seven out of ten women at UCSB have been something like that, yes.
	Okay.
	I mean, this is a study done by who?
	Is it done by UCSB?
	No, it was, yes.
	It was some kind of program we had to finish before entering UCSB.
	And I remember reading about...
	What about the rates towards men, or do they only care about when women are sexually harassed?
	I doubt they provide that.
	They didn't provide that, but yes.
	There's no information about the rate of harassment towards men.
	No.
	Interesting.
	So I'm trying to see.
	Nick, were you able to find anything on that?
	No, yeah, there's something up here with that stuff.
	I can't find it.
	I can't find it.
	70%.
	They pay everybody's cherry and pick stats and whole.
	By the.
	In any case, it includes cat calling.
	Okay.
	Any type of harassment.
	Okay.
	But that includes catcalling.
	So what if the rate of actual SA was 5%, but it's incorporating this 70% of women get catcalled?
	How could this ever be useful statistics?
	Huh?
	How could that be useful statistics if it's so broad that it includes catcalling?
	Something women even do to men.
	I think catcalling I just included, but the three top ones.
	I wouldn't be surprised if the study did actually consider it included.
	But the three top ones that did include were ass grabbing at parties, especially, just unwant to touch anything like that, and rape, of course.
	Yeah.
	I'd say that would work, but it's like just use essay.
	SA.
	Okay.
	And so for this reason, because somebody at Freshman Orientation told you that seven out of ten women who go to UCSB have been or will be victim of vague, vague SA, including, but not limited to, cat calling.
	This is your basis for saying that 60% of men in the United States or 80 million men in the United States would be inclined to murder or essay.
	Even if we don't go with specific numbers, I'd say a higher population of men are more inclined to hurting women in any way possible.
	Yeah, so 60%.
	Okay, yeah, let's go with that number.
	Okay.
	So then do you think, I mean, these are pretty high numbers.
	mean there's there's something pretty defective here going on with with men then well if we go with like general statistics that everyone probably knows whether that's from tiktok or any kind of social media that has like you think tiktok is a reputable no i'm just saying just like any kind of like You're going to use TikTok when you go to the message.
	Twitter, Twitter, and Twitter isn't.
	Twitter is not a reputable.
	How about we use Department of Justice statistics?
	And whatever is in the Department of Justice statistics, I'll grant you that that's the rate in which women are victimized in this specific way.
	Or do you not believe the Department of Justice does?
	And what is that?
	It's a federal.
	No, I'm saying what are the numbers there.
	Oh, no, Nick, you can pull it up.
	Rate of, I guess, the incidents of R-word department.
	That also doesn't take into account any of the things that weren't reported.
	Okay, but how do we, if we're going to, if we're going to cite two statistics and if something wasn't reported, how do we have a conversation about that?
	I mean, fact.
	I mean, like, when it happened to me, I didn't report it because I was essentially told, there's nothing you can do.
	We can't do anything.
	You want some police?
	Uh-huh.
	And they essentially told me that there was nothing I could do.
	Was there a kit done?
	There was not a kit done because it wasn't that kind of essay.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't know the details of it, but.
	We can get into it because it's tea, but we don't have to.
	It's real tea.
	Oh, it covers one of the other topics we weren't technically supposed to talk about.
	Like you were underage or something?
	I wasn't, but there were other girls involved who were.
	Okay.
	All right.
	In any case, though, your position, Nick, can you get this data?
	Yeah, I was looking for Department of Justice, the Guru Justice and FBI, which was interesting.
	You could look at both.
	There's criminal victimization 2022.
	Oh, excuse me, I think it's the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
	So according to the Department of Justice, they say for rape, sexual assault, the rate per 1,000 is in 2018, 2.7, 2019, 1.7, 2020, 1.2.
	2021, 1.2, 2022, 1.9 per 1,000.
	So, what's the percentage there?
	Is it less than 1% in a given year?
	Do you have any from the FBI?
	I had something from the Guru Stats, but it's a different.
	If you want me to look up what you just have or pull it up, you should send it to the private chat.
	Okay, I'll send it via private chat just so we have a reference here.
	So, okay, I sent it to you.
	I sent it to you.
	It should be the third page down.
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	All right, thank you, Pagan.
	Appreciate the TTS.
	Do you have it, Nick?
	All right, one sec.
	Can I say something?
	Sure.
	I think, regardless of what these statistics are, I think the reason, like, even though my number isn't as high as her number, I think the reason that is, is because although you might think TikTok, like, yes, people can say false things, and it might be fake.
	A lot of stuff on social media is fake.
	But on TikTok, on social media platforms, that's where we hear most of our news.
	That's where we hear about everybody's experiences.
	And because we're on it, we're exposed to that.
	And regardless of what the statistic is, it's real.
	And I don't agree with the saying that all men are bad.
	I genuinely don't.
	I don't think that at all.
	I've met plenty of amazing men in my life.
	And I wouldn't be where I am today without them.
	But I think the reason why in our heads, like it's preferable to choose this bear, is because there is a chance and it's real.
	Regardless of what the statistic is, it's possible.
	And in my opinion, in my opinion, I would blatantly rather die by a bear than by a man.
	Like, I would prefer that death over one white man.
	Right, but it's sort of a question.
	And that's with me saying that I'm not afraid of men.
	But you're assuming the man's going to kill you, is the problem.
	Just the same way I could assume that the bear is going to kill me, too.
	Right, so you're equating the chances of death the same between both parties.
	And that's what this comment was just alluding to, is that that's the issue with feminism and social programming that's happening to young women, is we're being told that men are inherently dangerous.
	I don't think all men are dangerous, but it's possible.
	If you asked me the same question, would I rather be like a bear or a woman?
	My answer would still stay with a bear.
	Really?
	People?
	People in general.
	You can't trust people.
	You don't know people.
	But if it's just two people or whether a bear, one person, one bear in a forest alone to survive, why would you not choose somebody else that could help you survive, help you build, hunt, fish, search for things?
	Because you just don't know what their intent is.
	But it's.
	You're right, but more than likely they're coming in with that mindset of, oh, we are here to survive.
	I'm with one other person.
	We're going to work together as a team.
	We're going to biologically we're wired to gravitate towards those who look like us.
	Right.
	So if you see a familiar human being, you're going to gravitate towards that person for help.
	And that's just biological nature.
	Especially if it's just two of you in a forest alone.
	Going back to what you said about TikTok, do you think that perhaps your feed is curated to deliver a certain message to you about men?
	No, because that's not based on my feed.
	That's from feed that I've seen on other people or like that they've talked about.
	No, like they've talked about it.
	Like, oh, I saw this girl, yada, yada, yada.
	And I'm like, oh, damn.
	Right, but if, okay, if you start consuming and watching content on TikTok that is talking about SA and victimization of women by men and you stay engaged on it, you leave a comment and you like it.
	Or even if you don't, but your watch time is high enough, TikTok is like their algorithm's super strong, and it's just going to push you that stuff.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	They're very careful with that.
	I don't know.
	For some reason, I watched one fucking K-pop thing on TikTok, and now all I get is girl K-pop bands, and it's fucking crazy, bro.
	That's really funny.
	Black, pink, illit.
	That's all I'm seeing on my TikTok now.
	Twice.
	See, all I get on my TikTok is animals.
	It's bothering me, bro.
	Okay, pull up the stats really quick, and then we'll get back to the bear thing.
	All right.
	Hold on.
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	Very good to see you in the chat, man.
	Hope you're having a good day.
	I'm going to read two other chats, then we'll pull up the statistics.
	We have Dude 1990.
	Hold on, let me see if I can.
	Imagine being more afraid of a toy spider than an actual bear.
	Yeah, keep picking the bear.
	Okay.
	All right, dude, 1990.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	And then we have another one from Dude1990.
	He says.
	He's cashing out.
	It's so funny.
	1990.
	Let's see.
	What's crazy is as a random American male, I would die to save every single woman on this panel versus a bear of any kind.
	Why am I so dumb?
	Make them answer this question.
	Why are you so dumb?
	And also, he said, he said earlier, I'm going to pull this one up again.
	Ladies, I would pick you over the bear 10 out of 10 times, even though the majority of you would pick the bear.
	Okay, so.
	Dude, 1990, appreciate it.
	Thank you, bro.
	Okay, so let's pull up the statistic really quick.
	You guys might disagree with the statistics, but I mean, this is a this is pretty Department of Justice Bureau of Justice statistics So they are saying that grape and SA is, like I said, 2018, 2.7, 2019, 1.7, 1.2, and in 2022, 1.9 per thousand.
	So I don't know what's the percent that can, I'm terrible at math.
	What would be the 0.2 in a given year?
	Is that correct?
	Okay.
	All right, my maths is math in.
	So I'm just curious though, if it really was, if it was genuinely like if women were getting victimized at the rate that you suggested it is, 70%,
	and it's occurring more so on college campuses than in the broader general population, why would any woman ever go to college if it was actually the case that the victimization rate was 70%?
	Like if I was in an airplane and there was a parachute and they told me there was even a 5% chance that your parachute wouldn't open, there's no scenario where I would get on that airplane and jump out.
	And is SA one of the worst things a woman can experience in her life?
	Sure, okay.
	You could get tortured by Dexter.
	Okay.
	It's probably one of the worst things you can experience in your life.
	If it was actually the case, why aren't parents up in arms about this and refusing to send their kids to college?
	And why are you willingly going to the slaughterhouse?
	Because I don't think it's necessarily college.
	I don't think people are getting, you know, having that done to them on college campus while they're attending class necessarily.
	I think it's probably happening.
	The activities that they're attending at college?
	Wait, like parties.
	Can I ask you guys a question?
	Can I ask you guys a question?
	So you meet...
	There are plenty of people who...
	So you meet a guy at a party.
	You're drunk.
	He's drunk.
	You guys have sex.
	You regret it.
	That's just regrettable.
	We're USA'd.
	That's just regrettable.
	We're USA'd.
	Sorry, what?
	Were you not listening to...
	Sorry, what?
	You said...
	Here, try to repeat back to me what I said.
	Most of the people were drunk.
	Okay, the guy's drunk.
	The girl's drunk.
	Equally drunk.
	They hook up.
	They have sex.
	The girl regrets it in the morning.
	Was she SA'd?
	I wouldn't necessarily say she was SA.
	but would it be consensual sex?
	I'm not talking blackout drunk.
	mean they've had three beers that's enough to get most people tipsy but i don't think most people black out drawn to the point where they're just totally you'd be surprised by that I've known people on medication, like specifically antidepressants, who labeled.
	Okay, but so they're equally tipsy.
	They hook up.
	She regrets it.
	Was she essayed?
	Was it non-consensual?
	That's not, that's not, just because she regrets it doesn't mean that it was non-consensual, right?
	She's so consented to it.
	So I think that's a different scenario because you can't regret it and then say that that's not consensual.
	That's unfair for the guy.
	How many women try to claim that?
	What percentage of women try to claim that?
	We can Google that too, but that's a common thing that happens to men all the time.
	Especially men of status.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so going around on the question I asked though, is it SA?
	The scenario I provided?
	No, I wouldn't say it's SA.
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay.
	I just wanted to get that clear.
	Anyways, going back to this bear thing.
	So 60, 50, 30, 50.
	The male population of the U.S. is about, it's a bit over 160 million.
	You said 60% will just say it's 80 million men, 90 million men.
	Are you prepared to say that 90 million men that currently live in the United States, if given the opportunity, would be inclined to either murder or essay a woman in this forest bear situation?
	In this forest?
	In the forest.
	Yeah.
	There's no one around it.
	90 million men.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	You said 50%?
	You think it's 80 million men?
	I mean, I definitely misunderstood the question first, but like, if you were on a plane of survival, I think you would probably team up and try and survive more.
	But then, yeah, I mean, eventually, once you are surviving and thriving, probably.
	Probably, you would probably.
	So more than 50%, the guy would essay you.
	Once we're thriving and not having to survive on being so in survival mode?
	Yeah, I think so.
	What percentage?
	50%?
	Yeah.
	50-50.
	Okay.
	You said 30, if I recall.
	So what would 30% be?
	Like 50 million men in the United States would be inclined to do this?
	Like maybe.
	50 million men.
	Okay.
	What about you, Mesa?
	You said 50.
	So you prepared to say that 80 million men in the United States would be inclined to murder or rape women?
	I probably would lower my percentage to probably like 30%, but still if it was me versus a man and a bear, I would still pick the bear.
	So 50 million men in the United States would be inclined to murder or essay a woman?
	Okay.
	It's interesting.
	Well, how could it be then you are not, all of you are just not totally biased against men if this is the case?
	Because there are also 50% of men who are so good out there.
	We're not just totally delusionally sitting here saying, oh, we hate all men.
	Yeah, but I mean, you're leaning towards the majority of men.
	I mean, 60%, she's saying the majority of men.
	Why do you think dads always tell their daughters, watch out for men?
	Why do you think so?
	Because they've seen it all, right?
	There's such a high percentage of girls or women who, I don't know, men do something to them.
	You know what I mean?
	Moms give the same warning, but I think it's sort of this general stranger danger thing that I've seen.
	How come they don't say that about women?
	Okay, but that's the thing is most people who are sexually assaulted, most of the time it's not a stranger.
	For me, it wasn't a stranger.
	It was someone who had known me since I was 15.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That is true.
	And that wasn't even my first experience ever.
	It's more likely to be somebody.
	I've always repetitedly been someone I knew.
	Yeah.
	But in any case, I mean, it's still not really...
	And that'll completely rock your world.
	You're asking why, but you have to actually look in it on depth.
	When someone goes through something like that, so traumatizing with someone that they did know and that they trusted, I mean, it rocks your world.
	You sit there and you question whether or not anything was even real.
	Yeah, SA is bad.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	It leaves you feeling insane and with like real trauma.
	Okay, but you're asking why?
	Trauma.
	Okay.
	But again, so you said your parents tell you that be wary of men.
	Okay, they tell you that.
	But I mean, It still ultimately comes down to you that your assessment is that 60% of men you feel would be inclined to murder or SA women.
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	They are saying half the men in the room would essay.
	The girl next to Brian has a very high IQ toe.
	Thank you.
	She's got an IQ toe.
	All right, thank you, bro.
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	Really appreciate it.
	I think this is our first time seeing you.
	Thank you for your first TTS, man.
	you um i just think it's crazy that you think like that many men You're throwing like huge swaths of the population under the bus.
	Nick, do you have that meme, the Kyle meme?
	You got the Kyle meme?
	Wait, sorry, that's crazy.
	Y'all are crazy for that one.
	Here you go.
	Do you guys see what you're saying?
	Wait, hold on.
	Let's react to this meme really quick.
	Call me crazy once I'm literally up to nine feet tall, up to 1,300 pounds, claws, bite force, 1,200.
	Kyle, 510, Ew, 170 pounds, project engineer.
	Said hi to you at the gym.
	This is essentially that.
	Wait, so go ahead.
	No, no, go ahead.
	You're good.
	No, you were about to, I was saying that's crazy.
	And then you got all say that one more time.
	Say it to my face.
	Because I literally just sat here and told you how my experiences have led me to feel about men and how I told you how I felt literally insane.
	Literally insane.
	So you're insane?
	And questioning whether.
	No, I'm not insane.
	No, I've done a lot of healing.
	I said I felt insane.
	Do you think insane people have good grasp of statistics and likelihood and probabilities?
	No, I'm sure they probably don't, or they could, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, you just want to see that you're in.
	I said I felt like I was insane because of everything that I have been through.
	Sure, bad things happen to people.
	Totally get it.
	And I've moved on.
	I'm not saying that they're still present in my life.
	I've moved on.
	It doesn't sound like you have because you're holding it against men.
	And just because I had trauma, justifying.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, babe.
	Let's back up.
	I'm not holding it against all men.
	I never said all men.
	I said about 50%.
	That's because that's half.
	It's not a majority.
	It's half.
	50%.
	But again, because of my personal experiences, where someone I knew who knew and trusted to protect me, especially as a child, failed to do that.
	Lol Paladins donated $200.
	I also agree this panel is the absolute worst.
	60% of women are child abusers, and I can just say that because I feel that per logic.
	Well, that's the point that I was getting at.
	It sounds like you're holding it into trauma.
	No, he's saying that all women are doing that.
	It's an example that he gave.
	Yeah, no, I'm not saying that at all.
	I was definitely.
	Good to see you in the chat Law Paladins.
	He has a sound.
	That's it.
	He gets like a sound.
	That's right.
	Oh, because he's just like a regular.
	Go ahead.
	Did you?
	Well, I was just saying, just because something horrible happened to you, and I'm sorry that that happened to you repeatedly with, I'm assuming, different people.
	It sounds like you're holding on to that drama as a means to justify your bias towards men.
	I'm not, don't say bias, mistrust.
	And it's not just mistrust of men, it's mistrust of all people.
	I like, because literally, like, I hold those who are close to me so close and dear because, like, looking at you guys, I don't know who any of you people are.
	I wouldn't trust you for anything.
	No offense.
	I mean, that's just because I don't know you.
	Do you think that that's an unhealed part of you that's going to challenge you in your relationship?
	I think that's a survival instinct.
	I think that's what's keeping me from getting hurt repeatedly and making maybe the same mistakes that I did make that got me hurt in the first place.
	As an older woman than you, I look at you and I see a lot of pain.
	I come from an abusive household.
	I hold a lifelong restraining order against my father.
	I have every reason in the world to despise men, to feel unsafe in their presence, to totally reject them and not want to be around them.
	But I worked through that trauma and I healed from it.
	And I'm able to sit here and look you in the eye and tell you, I need a man.
	I'm so much safer in this world with a man.
	I never said I didn't need a man.
	Right, but why do you need a man to feel safe?
	Because of who?
	Because of who?
	Life is so much easier with a man by your side.
	Why?
	I agree.
	Who said I wanted life to be easy?
	What?
	Well, then you're picking your poison there with that.
	Yeah, but life can be easy, just me being on my own as well.
	You're choosing a very challenging thing.
	I don't have to have a man to make my life easy.
	It would be easier to get it.
	Then don't sit here and complain that you want this man to take you seriously then.
	What man?
	The one that you described earlier in the podcast.
	When you were saying, oh, I wish that we could be exclusive.
	And now you're backpedaling and you're like, oh, well, if that's challenging, that's okay.
	You're doubling down on your argument, is what's happening to you.
	No, I want to be embarrassed.
	I'm really not.
	No, because the way I see it with a guy, you have no one to compete with but me.
	I love my free time.
	I love the shit that I do in my personal life.
	I wouldn't give that up for, I mean, someone unless they were really good.
	You got to sit here and prove to me that I should give that up.
	Give what up?
	Your hobbies?
	Who's asking you to do that?
	My hobby is whatever I'm doing.
	How is that relevant?
	What do you mean?
	How is that relevant?
	Oh, what man is asking you to give up your hobby?
	I don't know why that was brought up.
	Okay, well, that's the thing is, like, in the past, I've had men who have been like, oh, you need to set aside time, which is fine.
	I don't mind setting aside time.
	But then they would venture into, like, okay, well, maybe don't do this so you can set aside time.
	No, I'm not going to give up on my training just to set aside time for you.
	I have things in my life that I would like to accomplish.
	But what if he helps you accomplish those?
	Then he's really got to step up and like actually prove it.
	I think it's just.
	And he wouldn't be asking me to skip training if he wanted to really help me train.
	He would enforce that.
	And he would help you.
	I just think when you're with a man that can lead you, you can just turn your brain off and you trust that wherever he leads you.
	Yeah.
	I'd like a man who would lead me 100%.
	I just don't trust any of the men to actually lead me because based on their behavior, you're limited to your mindset and you're holding yourself back then from knowing the man made you.
	No, because that's never stopped me from pursuing men or pursuing that.
	I still pursue that.
	And I trust until given a reason to not trust.
	Would you submit to a man or no?
	What do you mean by submit?
	Because I feel like everybody has answers different definitions.
	No, I'm just asking, what do you specifically mean by submit?
	Because I feel like everyone can have very personal definitions of that.
	Well, I would say you'd let him take the lead, and that's literally submitting.
	Like you're allowing him to take control of mostly.
	I mean, for me, I would let my man take control of it all.
	Yeah, like what we do, financials.
	Right.
	I don't even can't even think of what else there might be.
	Like, would you let the man be the head of the household or do you want 50-50?
	What do you mean, head of the household?
	Like, working decisions.
	I'd like to be included on big decisions.
	Yeah, that's important.
	I wouldn't really.
	I don't like the word submit because that makes it seem like one's higher than the other.
	I think it needs to be a partnership.
	I don't think it's, I don't think it's one's higher than the other because as women, we can do things that men can't do.
	And men can do things we cannot do.
	And it's not one's better than the other.
	It's just, it's a puzzle.
	No, no, no.
	And I didn't say one's better than the other.
	I think you're misunderstanding me.
	I didn't say one's better.
	I said in a household when one is submissive, it's an authority thing, is what I'm saying.
	It's an authority thing.
	But you need to have trust.
	And one's higher than the other.
	Yeah, you need to have trust to allow that.
	Most of the men who I've been with aren't trustworthy.
	But that's just plain and simple.
	Because I've seen their behavior.
	No, because I've seen their behavior and they don't bring the safe.
	So why don't you surround yourself around men that have better values?
	Well, I have now.
	The guy that you were just talking about who you said might not respect me and I can't expect me to conversation.
	That's what you mean.
	Like have a conversation with him to let him know this is how I feel.
	I don't want to just be honest to mess around.
	We've had a conversation.
	Does it line up with what you want?
	Like how you want to settle or just fully give yourself in?
	I've made him well aware of what I want and we talked a little bit.
	It didn't go too into depth and we talked about talking more in depth.
	But yeah, he's someone who actually does bring that out of me and actually makes me feel like a man can lead.
	Good, that's good.
	I'm happy for you.
	Cool.
	Yay.
	Yeah.
	Like, no, I was just like, just listening to you talk.
	Like, I was just going to ask, like, do you actually allow yourself to trust people?
	Yes, 100%.
	I trust you until you give me a reason to trust.
	And not to trust.
	Yeah, but that's true.
	If it's just like at land just having some sort of like hurt.
	Hurt in you, or I don't know how to explain it, but thing you're holding on to.
	So it's like, because listening to you talk, it's like he has to prove something to me.
	But it's harder to allow yourself to trust somebody.
	I'm definitely guarded.
	I'll agree with that.
	Do you think that makes it a little harder for you to pursue?
	I think it definitely makes it harder, but at the same time, not really, because I'm definitely not that guarded.
	All you have to do is bring it out of me.
	The thing is, like, I don't communicate with someone.
	Like, if I'm not communicating with you, if I'm giving you mixed signals or you're questioning how I feel, that's a clear sign that I'm not into it.
	And that clearly I'm just like not, you're not.
	See, it feels bad to like put it on them, but you're not bringing something out of me.
	But what are you bringing to them?
	Yeah.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	That was like a question.
	Like, what do you offer to them?
	And I mean, personally, I think that can only be decided by that person.
	I don't think you give me decided.
	What do you think that you bring to the table?
	When you are allowing yourself to trust somebody.
	When I am allowing myself to trust somebody, I think I can be super open and I can have really good communication and I can be loving and supportive.
	Like with my friends, it's totally, yeah, it's great.
	Do you think that that's all a man needs?
	No, no, definitely not.
	Wait, I have a question for you.
	So like what you expect like in a relationship or like from a man, what you want them to offer, can you also offer the same thing in return?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I had a I actually feel like I probably already talked about this, but yeah, before the guy I'm seeing now, my last situationship, he wanted me to do things and act like his girlfriend.
	And I was like, I'm not your girlfriend though.
	Until you make me your girlfriend, I'm not going to do certain things.
	I mean, but it's also kind of like you can like flip those situations and he can be like, oh, well, you're not my girlfriend yet because you're not like you're not displaying that behavior.
	A lot of men do that with marriage, too.
	Yeah.
	And I'm not saying that I can't display that behavior with someone that I'm not dating.
	I can.
	It just that has to be a very special person.
	That guy who I was seeing before this guy was also just very immature and doing things very wrong.
	He kissed another girl out of pettiness, like right in front of me.
	So like he was just not it.
	He was just not there.
	Yeah.
	I'd agree.
	That's not it.
	Were you guys just like talking at the time?
	Oh, yeah, we had had a three-month-long talking, like phase, I guess.
	What are you guys giggling about?
	I was just saying, I feel left out because I don't even like pursue men.
	You can talk about your experiences, but talk about like what you bring to the table.
	You know, those types of topics are open.
	Like, what do you think about that?
	Like, are we going off the scare topic?
	No, I guess we can just go men versus women, but like, it's like cooking, cleaning.
	Do you think it's a lot easier to trust women than men in your experience?
	But see what the cooking, the cleaning, I feel like that should be my thing on that.
	I agree with you.
	Oh, no.
	It's just came in.
	In what ways do you think?
	Well, when y'all are talking about like being with a man and women have the roles and then men have the roles, I don't see that.
	I don't really understand it more or less.
	I feel like a woman can also do a man's roles and a man can also do a woman's roles.
	So I think that kind of is what we're talking about though.
	So there's like even so would you say in your relationships with other women you've seen a dynamic of woman one playing the more masculine role and one playing the more feminine role.
	So I think that's essentially what we're kind of saying, like there's things that men do, aka masculine things that they do, and there's also things that women do, which is like in every relationship it works out, but and I think the more masculine a man is, the more feminine you can be.
	He'll bring that femininity out of you.
	If that makes sense, there's definitely peace in the relationship.
	And that's what I was trying to like get at literally turned your mind, saying like oh, he doesn't bring something out of me, and like it sounded bad and it sounded like I was trying to make it like, oh, it's your fault, you're not bringing something out of me.
	No, that's the thing is they're just not masculine, they're emote.
	Like they're not masculine, they're emotionally immature.
	I mean, like this guy used to like crap on me for not being able to communicate.
	I'm like you won't communicate with me either.
	You literally oh, he was such an interesting man.
	Do you think there's like an outbreak of a lot more feminine men these days?
	Yeah, they want princess treatment.
	GRID ONE Motorsports donated $200.
	The trauma llama chick cannot offer the one thing men want, peace.
	You are disagreeable and feminist and good men avoid those things.
	I think you need self-reflection.
	Embrace patriarchy.
	Thank you grid one.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	I heard that.
	Did you have a response or huh?
	Did you have a response to thank you?
	So princess treatment.
	What is like, what is princess treatment for men?
	What does it look like for men?
	You'd think for a men.
	Can I ask a question before we decide?
	Yeah, I agree with you on like the idea of like, not, I wouldn't say I need a man, but I would want one for the same reasons.
	But where would you, this is just like, since you're engaged, like, I'm sure you've had a lot of experience.
	Where would you draw the line of like what a man's roles, quote-unquote roles are?
	Like, in terms of like how she mentioned, um, oh my god, why can't I remember the word S-word?
	Submission.
	Submission, thank you.
	My brain was a man's role of being worthy of submission.
	So I'll give you girls context so you can understand where I'm coming from.
	I think I would have been the perfect poster child of feminism.
	So I was raised by a single mother.
	I went to college.
	I got my degree in statistics, which is a male-dominated field.
	I got my job at Visa, and at the age of 24, I bought my home in the Bay Area, which is an expensive market to purchase a home in.
	I don't mean to brag about myself, but it just proves to you that I worked my butt off to get what I have.
	You could do it by yourself.
	After I bought my home, I proceeded to remodel the home with my own two hands using YouTube tutorials.
	So like literally, I did not need a man.
	I did the manly work.
	I scraped a popcorn ceiling.
	I put in a full laminate floor.
	I learned how to use a table saw and not cut off all 10 fingers, right?
	So like I proved it.
	I did the thing.
	I proved that I can live this life without a man.
	And I'm telling you, it is not fulfilling.
	Because at the end of the day, I was sitting in an empty home, absolutely miserable that I was alone.
	So I need a man to fulfill my greatest potential in life, which is to become a mother.
	There is nothing that's better than becoming a mother and having that legacy.
	And when you find the right man who wants to have that legacy as well, you will want to submit to him.
	I think the issue is, and what we've come across with this whole bear thing, is that women are being fed this lie that men are bad, men are dangerous.
	And so you have that in your mind.
	And when you believe that men are bad, you're not going to see the best in them.
	You're not going to pick out the best men.
	I used to lie to myself when I was 21, 20, and I would tell myself, I don't want kids.
	What do you think that did subconsciously to me?
	You know what I mean?
	When I'm dating, I don't care if he's going to be a good dad.
	Right.
	So if you start dating a guy who's going to be a terrible father, how is he going to treat you terribly?
	Right?
	And it wasn't until I met my fiancé, who would be an amazing father, was I like, oh my gosh, I want your babies.
	Like, when you are in the presence of a strong man, it brings out the feminine side of you.
	It truly allows you to flourish and become the best version of yourself possible.
	And without my fiancé, I would not be who I am today.
	I'm so grateful for him.
	Because we as women, we multiply.
	A man brings a house, we make it a home.
	A man brings a deer he just was hunting for.
	We make it food.
	Right.
	A man gives us love.
	We give him children.
	We multiply what a man does.
	So if he's also bringing in chaos, we're going to also multiply that, though.
	Right.
	So.
	So a man needs to be worthy of submission.
	And that's a huge problem that I see on social media is these men just try to demand so much out of women and they're not secure.
	They're not stable.
	So, how dare they demand that of a woman?
	So, you need to be vigilant and filter through your men that you decide to date.
	And don't give these guys who aren't worthy of submission your attention at all.
	We have to learn.
	The woman is in total control, but women give the most awful men the attention and all of the control.
	It's awful.
	I feel yeah.
	That was so perfect.
	Yeah, greatly worried.
	It took me a few years to get to that.
	All right, where are we?
	Welcome back.
	I had to get some, I forgot to post all the Instagram stories and stuff.
	So, all right.
	Let me read a couple chats.
	We'll maybe finish up with the bear stuff.
	Epirus, thank you for the gifted sub.
	We're still on that.
	Hold on.
	And then we have Christopher Martin.
	Yo, thank you for the $200 super chat, man.
	No message, though.
	Thank you for the super chat.
	If you want to do a TTS, it's like where the robot voice comes in.
	You can do it.
	Streamlabs.com/slash whatever.
	And a little robot voice comes in nearly instantly.
	So, Christopher Martin, thank you for your super chat, though, nevertheless.
	And then let me just make sure we're.
	I need to change.
	Yeah, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a prime sub and a follow if you have one.
	Guys, it's been 31 minutes since we last got a prime sub.
	I think it got bugged again.
	Can you guys like do a little test?
	Like, if any of you have like a prime sub available, boys, like test out if like you can get us one, you know.
	Also, like, drop us a follow.
	Accent is the accent.
	It's like Canadian.
	What?
	That looks Scottish.
	That's like Canadian.
	Yo, Darth Jig, like, thank you for the Prime Man.
	Thank you, dude.
	Oh, my God.
	Look at this.
	Oh, my God.
	The chat is on fire.
	Look at all these follows.
	Holy shit.
	Oh, my God.
	They are on fire.
	That's German.
	That's German.
	I'm thinking of Germany in the corner.
	Yo, Barry Crunch, thank you for the Prime.
	Look at.
	Oh, my God.
	These guys are on fire.
	Holy shit.
	What is going on?
	Blunski, thank you for the Prime.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, shit.
	Yo, Tall Rick, look at the Prime.
	Oh, my goodness.
	my what is going on the wait is this like i've never seen this happen bro This is crazy.
	Like, we'll get like two followers.
	It actually might be bugged this time, bro.
	I think it's actually bugged.
	Yo, Tasty.
	Oh, my God.
	These guys are on fire.
	What are you doing?
	No fucking way, bro.
	Are we getting, is it like a bot attack?
	Like, they're just bots who are following?
	I don't know.
	Yo, Tasty, thank you for the tier one.
	Tall Rick, thank for the Prime.
	Plunsky, thank you for the Prime.
	Barry Crunch, thank for the Prime.
	No, there's no way.
	Who's fucking going on?
	Oh, my God.
	This has to be.
	Is somebody like trying to.
	I don't know.
	That's crazy.
	It's not stopping.
	Somebody is definitely buying.
	Applebee's.
	There's no way.
	Somebody's like, I don't know if they're trying to make it look like we're buying follows or something.
	That's super weird.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Okay, all right.
	Are you trying to get us banned on Twitch, boys?
	It's already bugged.
	Our Twitch is already bugged and you're trying to get us banned.
	All right.
	All right.
	Thank you guys for the follows.
	And then also, reminder, can you pull up the center thing?
	Yeah.
	You're going to have to, guys, TTS 200 read 100.
	Display 10.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Final things here on the bear thing, I guess.
	A couple questions, clarifying questions.
	If you were in a bathroom, would you rather a man or a bear wanders in?
	In a bathroom?
	In the bathroom.
	Shut up.
	Like, I'm at home.
	This bathroom?
	Go to the blank.
	No, like into the microphone.
	Any a public bathroom.
	A bathroom.
	There's stalls.
	You want me to describe the bathroom?
	There's five urinals.
	I don't know why you're in the men's bathroom.
	Then a men's bathroom.
	And then there's five.
	No, there's sorry.
	There's no urinals.
	It's the woman's bathroom.
	Woman's bathroom.
	You're in the woman's bathroom.
	And a man wanders in.
	So he thinks he's a girl?
	So would you rather a man or a bear wanders into a woman's bathroom?
	So he thinks he's a girl.
	Well, we're not getting there yet, but.
	So a man knows that it's a woman's bathroom and he just walked in?
	Or he knows that she's in the middle of the moment.
	We don't know what he knows.
	Or he just walks in.
	Would you rather, it's what you would rather.
	A man or a bear wanders in.
	Which one?
	It's not that hard, right?
	Goddamn.
	And we don't know the intentions of either, right?
	No.
	Still.
	No, sorry, still bear.
	Still bear?
	Okay, what about you?
	Skip me for now.
	I don't know anything.
	Macy, what about you?
	I'd probably still go with the bear.
	I feel like she'll go with either a man.
	What do you pick?
	Dude, okay.
	Dude.
	Like.
	Probably a man.
	What?
	Just because I know the penis.
	Just because I've been in the multi-gender use bathrooms and like it doesn't bother me at all.
	Like I'm chilling.
	Does it change if it's a transgender woman?
	Transgender woman.
	I would choose a transgender woman.
	Even though they're still male?
	No, because to me, she's a woman.
	I'll grant you that she's a woman, but she's still a male.
	Like has male genitalia.
	No, just still a male.
	We don't know about the gonads.
	What do you mean by still male?
	Well, you can't.
	So you can't change your sex.
	Unless you think.
	So you're saying the genitalia is still there?
	No.
	The genitalia could be there.
	It could not be there.
	Like the biology.
	Unless you're saying a transgender woman can't be a woman.
	No, she is a woman.
	Regardless of the genitalia.
	Yeah.
	So the transgender woman could still have a penis, but also be a woman.
	Yeah, but I would rather have the transgender woman in there.
	Because to me, that's a woman.
	She's a woman.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	But you would have no issues then, perhaps somebody who's a bit more hard-lined than you, not wanting the transgender woman in the bathroom.
	Because they consider that to still be a man.
	Any objections there?
	No, that's their preference.
	Their preference?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did you answer?
	Trans.
	Oh, yeah.
	I still be with.
	I'd still choose a human.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah.
	Macy, what about you?
	I agree with her at the end.
	I would choose the transgender woman.
	Interesting.
	What would the, I mean, going back to the original bear question, does it change if it's a transgender woman?
	Do you prefer the transgender woman over the.
	Can you scoot into the table, please?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you're asking me?
	Yeah, does it change your answer to the original question?
	Transgender woman.
	I'm scared of men.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	What do you pick?
	What was the question?
	I was in the middle of the morning.
	For the original question, transgender woman or bear?
	And you're in a bathroom.
	So if you were in the bathroom, I don't know.
	Some people in the bathroom would rather.
	Some people don't think that that's a woman.
	I don't know where you land on that, but some people don't consider that a woman.
	Okay, that's valid.
	I mean, and a bathroom transgender woman.
	Or bear.
	I'm going to say transgender woman.
	I don't know.
	It really depends.
	Because, like, some people, like, oh my gosh, on TikTok the other day, I know you talked about TikTok not being a valuable source of information or whatever, but this was actually very different.
	This was a TikTok creator talking about their experience of a woman being harsh and being like, get the F out of the bathroom.
	Like, what are you doing in here?
	To be fair, they made no effort to appear like feminine at all.
	Still very much dressed as a man, still very much, like, presented as a man.
	So, like, yeah, that's a good idea.
	So they're not a woman then?
	If they don't trust you, you're not even like attempting to present as a woman, yeah.
	Like, you're just sitting there doing what?
	Nothing.
	So if I'm not transgender, but I present like a woman, does that make me a woman?
	I mean, no.
	Not necessarily.
	So it's clearly present that simply makes you a woman.
	No.
	You're good.
	Okay.
	But at least that would make people more comfortable and at least give the illusion that, you know, not give the illusion, but, you know, give the, I don't know what the right word is, but is you'll cute.
	Yeah, it'll signal to other people that you're at least trying to like go that route.
	And my mind is really going blank right now.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm going to move off of that part, but so a couple more scenarios here.
	You're on the top floor of a burning building, and the only way you can get down is to, the elevators are still working.
	I know they say to take the stairs, but you're going to take, there's two elevators.
	They both open at the same time.
	One has a man in it, the other has a bear.
	You need to get to the bottom floor.
	You can only pick one elevator.
	Which elevator do you pick?
	Oh, question.
	Can I just jump off the building?
	Nope.
	You have to pick.
	You got to pick.
	You got to pick.
	This is only for the people who answered there.
	So what do you pick?
	You got to pick one.
	I still pick the bear.
	Enclosed space, okay.
	I picked the man.
	What about you?
	Enclosed space, yeah.
	I'm picking the man.
	Okay.
	In this scenario, I would choose the man too, because I know for a fact that once I reach the bottom floor, I'm able to get out.
	And there will be civilization if the man tries to do anything.
	I suppose he could still try to do something, but yeah, if he has a 60% chance, right?
	There's a 60% chance he holds on to you, right?
	Using your louder.
	There's civilization down there, right?
	It's a burning building, so I'm hoping the firefighters arrived, right?
	I guess my other question, I think one of the TTSs actually made it already, but why is it then, when it comes to this man-bear thing, if you go to a zoo that has a bear enclosure, why aren't all the women just jumping into the bear enclosure to get away from all the men that are in the zoo?
	If it's safer to be with a bear than with a man.
	That's a good question.
	And why are bears required to be enclosures if they're so harmless, at least in comparison to men?
	Whereas men are free to walk the streets, how dare they?
	I think if you're eyes.
	See, this is a different scenario once again, you know.
	You're saying men are bare in the middle of the woods where no one is around.
	There are people who are.
	What if you're at the zoo and there's nobody around and there's a bear enclosure and there's just a man on the other side and there's nobody around.
	They can't hear you scream.
	You're just, I don't know if you're at a, it's a Tuesday.
	It's a not well visited.
	It's not a frequently visited zoo.
	This part of the zoo is, you know.
	There's other more interesting parts of the zoo.
	There's a tiger, a lion, the bear.
	Nobody gives that, you know.
	Bears are kind of dull.
	So you're alone.
	There's a zoo.
	There's the bear enclosure.
	And then there's a man.
	Why am I at the zoo alone and why is this man at the zoo alone too?
	So can I ask you a question?
	How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
	Terrible.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	What else?
	What are some of the other ones?
	I don't know if there's another one.
	There's the bear enclosure.
	There's that.
	We did the bear enclosure.
	Just curious, did any of you walk by any men today or in the past week?
	How many of them attacked you?
	I guess not.
	None, but one cat called me while I was literally on my way to practice.
	I considered just dropping my stuff, putting my shinies on right there, and just like, mm-mm.
	What did he say?
	He literally, and it was so funny because this guy was decked out in all pink.
	Like, I'm not talking like pink.
	Like, he was wearing all neon pink from his hat to his glasses to his shirt to his shorts to his socks to even his slides.
	And he just, I'm getting my shinnies out of my trunk, and he looks at me, and I'm starting, like, I'm just like not paying attention.
	I'm walking in, and he goes, AI Chica!
	And then he says something else that I didn't even hear.
	At that point, I was already just like, okay, whatever.
	I'm assuming it wasn't a Waikai?
	No.
	He said, AI Chica.
	That's it?
	Well, he looked like a kissy, kissy, ichica.
	And then he said some other stuff, but I just didn't, I didn't catch it.
	You didn't catch it?
	No.
	But I walked into my gym cursing.
	My coach was like, whoa.
	You were cursing.
	Okay.
	It's so funny.
	Well, yeah, because I told him to F off, obviously.
	Okay.
	I'm curious, actually on the cat calling thing, right?
	So if you could opt to never get cat called by men again, but men will never hit on you ever again.
	In other words, you would have to take all the initiative.
	I'm okay with that.
	I'm okay with that.
	You'll never be approached again.
	You'll never get attention from men again.
	You'll never get a DM.
	You'll always have to take the initiative.
	You'll always have to take the lead.
	Would you make that trade starting with you?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, 100%.
	I would.
	Make the trade?
	No.
	Speak?
	No.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	In different countries, like in Costa Rica, it's so, like, if you don't get cat called, it's kind of like, dang, do I look good today?
	Like, when my mom first came here from Costa Rica, she was like, Coster Rica.
	No one's like saying anything to me.
	Like, so I think it honestly just depends in the countries.
	Because I feel like people from different countries might like it.
	And then here, they don't.
	So for those of you who said you would switch up, I think it was you, you, not you, you.
	I want to see how you would approach a guy.
	I mean, unless you're just, because here's the thing: you will never receive any like initial attention from men moving forward.
	So, like, hold on.
	I'll let you raise your thing later.
	So, unless you just intend to never get married, never have a boyfriend, never have kids, maybe that's your intention, but you will have to make the initial move.
	So, I'd like for you to.
	Here, I'll be the guy.
	No, I'll be the guy.
	What?
	No, no, no.
	No, I have to be the guy.
	Why do you have to be the guy?
	Because I'm the guy.
	She has to be attracted to the guy.
	Well, that's just funny.
	Just pretend I'm like a feminist soy boy.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I cannot.
	I cannot.
	Just pretend I'm a feminist soy boy.
	No.
	No, I can't.
	Okay, then don't pretend it's me, like pretenders of blob here, and then let's see your game.
	Go ahead.
	I don't have games.
	Yeah.
	So you're going to just die a nun, basically.
	You just never have kids.
	You said he wanted to get married.
	Do you want kids?
	Yes.
	So how are you going to make that happen?
	When he's the right man, it'll work out.
	I can't do it with Brian.
	You don't have to do it with me.
	You can just.
	I just can't do it in this scenario.
	But once it's the right guy, I'll approach him.
	Yeah, what would you say?
	Hey, dude.
	You're boring.
	Hey, there, you come here often.
	Go ahead.
	What else?
	That's it.
	And then you just expect him to carry the rest of everything forever.
	There you go.
	I mean, this is kind of the attitude of most women.
	Yeah.
	That's crazy.
	It's true.
	Just there's this dating app called Bumble.
	They actually had to change it because the mere fact that you had to send the first message was so overwhelming for women that they just had to change it.
	It was women were overwhelmed by the burden.
	That's what they called it.
	The burden of sending the first message.
	And somebody who was on this, as somebody who was on this dating app, women overwhelmingly would just say hi or hey, and then immediately push all the burden right back onto you as the man.
	So even this dating app, which is about female empowerment and giving women the opportunity to take charge, even when the rules of the dating app, like the men cannot message first, you women still can't do it.
	You still can't do it.
	It's still a burden for you to even do a token level of initiative.
	You just say hey, and then immediately, boom, all everything else just falls right back into the man's lap.
	It's interesting how that works.
	Well, I was kidding.
	I would say hey, dude, and then make conversation with them.
	And really?
	I don't know.
	Like, throughout this conversation, your answers are pretty yes.
	Yes.
	I'm not very confident in your conversational ability.
	No, when it's the right guy, conversation.
	When it's the right guy.
	But what makes you the right woman?
	I don't know.
	That's compelling.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	Super good faith answer.
	Just the mystery.
	What about you?
	Let's hear it.
	Run some game.
	Oh, shoot.
	Man, I don't really got no game.
	Is there space for you to scoot your chair way into the chair?
	Yeah, a little.
	Is this close enough?
	The mic?
	The chair.
	No, I mean, like just scoot your chair in so you don't have to lean in somebody.
	I tried before, but I have a feeling that I kind of, oh, thank you, ladies.
	They got you.
	They got you.
	Love the girl support.
	All right.
	I've tried to get it.
	Run some game.
	Let's hear it.
	Go ahead.
	You got this.
	Spit some game.
	I don't got no game.
	I'd probably just approach them like a normal person and be like, hi.
	My name is Ginny.
	It depends on the setting.
	I guess if we're like, oh, Trader Joe's.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	I've never been there.
	Same.
	Then honestly, I'd still probably just walk up to them and be like, hi, my name's Jin.
	I think you're really attractive.
	I would like to see if we have or could have a good connection.
	Can I get your phone number or can we set something up?
	Like, I don't know, just approach them like a normal human being.
	If it's at a bar, I'd probably ask if I can buy them a drink.
	We'd sit down and talk.
	I don't know.
	Or you can offer to buy their groceries.
	Bro, I'd be like, you get this, I get this, and we make dinner.
	Okay.
	I'm disappointed.
	You had something, Macy, that you wanted to.
	Oh, I don't even want to attract men.
	That's not my goal.
	It doesn't really apply to you, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm going to get into some more my pre-show notes here.
	We have, let's see, let's go to who do we have?
	Haley.
	Mm-hmm.
	Haley.
	You said that.
	Hold on.
	What's the condom story?
	Oh, great.
	Okay.
	So, a couple years ago, I was just like talking to some guy, and he was just like, just we couldn't really put a label to.
	He didn't really want to.
	He just told me, hey, I'm loyal, da-da-da-da-da.
	But I had another person in my ear, like, say, no, he's not loyal.
	He's not.
	He's doing this.
	But I had never had any proof.
	And for me, I struggle with trust.
	So I really need to visually see it or know it.
	And I can't hear from other people.
	I need to get the evidence from the person themselves.
	And I had went over to his place and found like a used condom on his ground under his pillow.
	And I was like, the pillow was like on the ground.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	It was.
	And it was crazy because we had, I'm wondering, like, how long it's been there because we went to like the dog shelter all day.
	Like, it was just insane.
	And so he was out playing the game or whatever with his friends and I was just doing homework.
	And still, like, to this day, I have such trust issues from that, because he told me it was from a trash bag that he had, like put old clothes and stuff in in his closet from when he moved out, like eight or nine months prior, and he was randomly going through it that day and it must have fallen out and he didn't see it and blah, and it was like it really messed me up like emotionally, were you guys using condoms?
	No, so you can't expand it away that way.
	Yeah yeah yep yeah, he's cheating on you.
	Yeah, till this day he still denies it.
	Till this day I don't talk to him anymore.
	You know what I actually believe.
	I could pull him up and he'd deny it.
	Oh, come on bro hey, there's mystery condoms day.
	It happens.
	Come on, you've seen, i've seen thrown into a trash bag months later, eight months to be with.
	Okay, then he's just gross.
	Then he's just gross.
	I found one in my car that my ex's friend had left because, unpronounced to me, they in my car ew yeah, that's ew, what?
	Okay, to be fair, we were pretty drunk a good portion of the weekend.
	So I could have said yes and just don't remember it, but I feel like I would never say yes to someone who's not even my friend, who's my boyfriend's friend and his girlfriend screwing in my car.
	Yikes, speaking of condoms um if uh question, let's say you were hooking up with a guy and uh, you were like, you know, you were down dtf or whatever, and then you're, but you asked her, like do you have, like a rubber, do you have a condom?
	And he's like, of course I, of course, of course.
	And then he pulls this out.
	What is that?
	It's a female condom.
	A female condom.
	I've never seen one.
	Can I see that?
	Okay, put it on, yeah.
	What's your reaction?
	Wait, how do you do it?
	I just put it on.
	I'm confused how that even works.
	The woman, it's for you.
	So, yeah, but how does it even push it in there?
	No, it's like a cross-seeper bag.
	Yeah, where it just goes in.
	I've used one.
	I've never seen that.
	This is weird.
	They're weird for the man.
	Wait, what?
	This is weird.
	Weird.
	Weird.
	I don't like that.
	You wouldn't be down?
	Like, would you go for it or not?
	I'd prefer that the guy has a, I'd prefer that he didn't pull out a condom like that.
	Okay, the one time I did do it, he was the one who said it felt weird.
	Oh, and I think that was just him not being able to fill it out issue.
	Wait, this?
	Yeah.
	He's not supposed to.
	No, I know, but he said that was uncomfortable.
	Oh.
	He was like, it's uncomfortable because I like don't fill it out.
	And I was like, I don't see how that makes it uncomfortable, but whatever.
	Sweet.
	Rubber.
	I just feel like I'm not.
	I thought I'd throw that out there.
	That's funny.
	It's hilarious.
	Anyways, going back to you, you said, anytime someone tells you they won't do certain things for you unless you are their wife, run.
	Yeah.
	So, buckle up.
	My relationship or whatever of the last three years, it literally, the whole three years, it was, I'm not doing this unless you're my wife.
	I'm not, we can't go to the bars.
	I wasn't allowed to his birthday party.
	He strongly manipulated me and convinced me that, like, that was normal.
	I can't go hang out with him and his friends.
	Like, for his own birthday, we have to, we had to celebrate his birthday on like a different day because he was supposed to go to the bar with his friends.
	I can't, like, have his location, which I was never huge into that.
	It's just, he was like, nope, you can't.
	You're not my wife.
	I will not post you until it's literally our wedding day.
	I don't care how long we're dating.
	Like, manipulated me.
	And I'm like, I love this guy.
	He's my best friend.
	We've been best friends for three years.
	Like, I'm getting little bits here and there.
	So I'm like, maybe it could work.
	Maybe it won't.
	And then we ended things this last February, March, April-ish.
	And he got a new girlfriend literally a month later and did everything.
	Post within one month.
	And he told me this.
	We were together in the car when he was like, By the way, I'm talking to somebody else and was like, oh, and you know, Haley, like, it's so weird because you always said that once you find the one, like, these are going to become, it's going to become easier.
	You're going to want to do these things.
	You're going to want to go out of your way to make this person feel special because that's what I did to him.
	Like, I loved this guy, and I still do.
	He was my best friend for so long.
	He laid it all out on the table and literally was like, oh, I shared my location.
	It was just an accident.
	But like, literally one week of knowing her, I went to go hang out with her in Novi, the big mall over there, and shared my location with her, and I just didn't feel like I needed to unshare it.
	And then, oh, yeah, I'm like, I've been posting on TikTok.
	Like, I love you.
	It took him three years to even say he loved me, and he probably didn't mean it.
	And within one month, he's posting this girl on social media, sharing it.
	Not his wife, but you know, so I've just, I've learned my lesson that if someone says I'm not going to do this unless X, Y, and Z, that they're going to do it, just not for me.
	They're going to do it for somebody else that they feel more comfortable in or with.
	Yeah, you were the side piece.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you were the side piece.
	I think the lesson learned is you need to set your boundaries and stand by them.
	Oh, yeah, I never did.
	I set them, but then I got little bits here and there.
	Maybe even, but yeah.
	So this woman, most likely, is strong-willed, and she had requirements, and she wasn't going to bending respected her for it.
	Absolutely.
	It's a lesson learned.
	I'm so sorry that's for you.
	Oh my gosh.
	I'm going to read this really quick.
	Brian, you just found the perfect $15 McDonald's hamburger versus $1 steak girl.
	Don't worry, I'm sure she'll make the next man wait three months for sex.
	Wait, what?
	$15 McDanald's hamburger versus $1 steak girl.
	Don't worry, I'm sure she'll make the next man wait three months for sex.
	Wait, what?
	What is that hang on that?
	I'm confused, all paladins.
	I'm confused.
	What do you mean?
	Perfect $15 McDonald's hamburger?
	Oh my God.
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Well, whatever.
	Going back to you, you said that I hold on.
	Why do men move on faster?
	So, I mean, just show of hands at the table.
	Do you guys think men move on faster than women from relationships?
	I think it depends.
	Yeah, I think it depends.
	So just you two?
	Well, in my situation, we've been emotionally not connected anymore for many, many months.
	It was just that thought of, you're still my best friend.
	I can't live my life without you.
	But we knew the relationship was over.
	We were stretching for months to make it work, just digging in for anything.
	So I think he moved on a lot quicker because while we were still together, he knew we were done.
	And so he was moving on day by day.
	Like little bit, he was seeing things.
	I was seeing things.
	We weren't communicating.
	We were just arguing.
	So he was moving on while we were still together.
	And I was still hanging on to that hope of one day, one day he'll do this, one day he'll do that, because I got a little bit here and there, and I clinged on to that.
	Like any red flag that came my way, I was like, no, but remember that one time he did that one thing.
	I was just really like hanging on to that.
	And so I think in my situation, he moved on quicker.
	I think in some situations, maybe a man, like you said, just a side piece.
	He doesn't really care about the girl.
	He's going to move on quicker because he didn't have true feelings.
	Well, I think the nature of this question is assuming both people are fairly equally invested into the relationship.
	No, I don't know.
	Man's in love.
	I think women move on way faster.
	They do.
	Way faster.
	Because even if a man does hook up with another woman, I don't think he's using that head.
	It's not emotional.
	It's just physical.
	It's just a nut, basically.
	And like, and I also think that over time, they start, they like, will miss you more over time.
	And then realize it afterwards.
	Compared to a woman, we try to detach immediately.
	And then over time, we actually don't have any chance.
	We seek validation immediately.
	I think women just get checked out like two months before the breakup and then they're just planning the breakup.
	That was not me.
	And then by the time the breakup actually occurs, there's...
	I mean, sometimes there's, like, spontaneous breakups and stuff.
	Here, pass me the spider back.
	Got it.
	Thank you.
	TikTok over here.
	TikTok brain.
	Oh, a spider.
	Let me.
	Okay, so, yeah, I think women move on way faster.
	I actually think there's a biological reason for this, an evolutionary reason.
	What is that?
	Well, like, here it is.
	So, historically, men would go off to war and die.
	And so, and then also, I mean, even there's like a bit more darker, sinister component to this.
	Like, back when there were like conquering, conquering tribes and shit, where it's basically like one civilization conquers another civilization.
	Okay, we're going to kill all the men, and then we're now taking your women as wives.
	Conquering the wives, yeah.
	So, like, women had to almost be able to, like, how do I cope with like that, you know?
	Okay.
	So, I think on that level, because their men are more likely to die in war, and also that component, I think there's an evolutionary basis, maybe.
	That makes a little sense.
	Wait, I have a question for people.
	Do you guys, since you were talking about going off war, do you guys believe a relationship should be 50-50 or no?
	Let's go around the table, starting with you.
	In terms of that?
	Yeah, I believe 50-50.
	Close to 50, then close to 50-50.
	I think we kind of already talked about this a little bit, but yeah, pretty close to 50-50.
	I think 50-50.
	I do too, yeah.
	No.
	Yes.
	Wait, did you say yes?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I think men and women give like good parts in a relationship, so I don't think I can put it in like a number because it's so different.
	That's true.
	I also don't have a number.
	Well, do you think it should be 50-50?
	I don't know.
	I think people pull their weight differently.
	I'll ask some clarifying questions, but I think that's unrealistic.
	Yeah.
	I think both people give 100%, and sometimes someone's going to give 20%, and the other person has to make up for that, and it's just a season of their relationship.
	I'll come back really quick to 50-50, but I do want to read Lol Paladin's chat here.
	This is the gender-swamped version of a woman making a man wait for sex.
	She got side-pieced, even though he was willing to give emotional commitment right away to another woman.
	Well, let me preface that.
	I see what you're saying.
	I see what you're saying.
	No, no, no.
	We had an emotional connection for many years.
	It was just he wasn't, I don't think I was the woman for him.
	I don't know.
	I just personally don't think I was the woman for him.
	No matter how much I gave my life to him, we didn't even have sex for the longest of time.
	And when we did, we were only having sex for almost two years, just each other only.
	And I firmly believe that was the truth on his end.
	I just knew I wasn't the right woman for him.
	And no matter how much I tried to make him the man for me, I was just digging my hole deeper.
	And we got to the point, there were instances towards the end of our relationship where he did things and I did things, and we just like we knew this was.
	Okay, but okay, okay, hold on.
	So you said that even though you guys had like a two or three year relationship, he got into a new relationship and all the things he was withholding from you, he gave to that new girl immediately.
	Okay, so to provide a bit of context, we've had this conversation on the show a whole bunch, is about so like women who have really no qualms at all with having casual sex, but when they land on a guy who they perhaps deem as like long-term worthy or boyfriend worthy, despite having no hang-ups when it comes to just fucking a guy immediately, they're going to make him wait, conceivably the guy who would obviously be most deserving of it.
	They'll make him wait, LTR guy, boyfriend guy wait weeks, months longer to have sex.
	So this is like this sort of thing, he's just alluding to that.
	Okay.
	By saying how that would be a frustration as a woman that you dated this guy for the longest and he didn't do any of that shit, but he's dating a new girl and he's giving her all this.
	Yeah, it's very frustrating, but that's just the lesson I learned that I should have.
	And I did.
	Oh my gosh, many times I put my foot down, but it's just like.
	Wait, you put your foot down how?
	We broke up, like when we were even just going through our talking phages.
	I said, I'm not doing anything with you until there's a title.
	Like, you need to show me your worth and da-da-da-da-da.
	But I think the more we just grew as friends, that's what I was clinging on to than just the idea of the relationship.
	And I was mixing the two personally, but eventually, I just think I gave up because I knew our connection that we built on friends was so much stronger than any hope of a relationship to begin with.
	Sure.
	Really quick, so going back to 50-50, show of hands.
	Who said 50-50?
	Show of hands.
	Raise them high, raise them high so we can see them.
	Keep them up.
	Boom, boom, boom, boom, ish over here, I guess.
	Okay.
	Who, I want to skip you.
	Initially, we'll come back to you.
	Who should pay on the first date?
	You're too far into the mic.
	Whoever asks.
	Whoever asks.
	Yeah, it's a good idea.
	Okay, I'll come back to whoever asks.
	What about you?
	I'm with her on that one.
	Whoever asks.
	Whoever asks.
	I agree.
	Whoever asks.
	Whoever asks.
	I would say whoever asks, but in a more traditional way, I think it would probably be the man, I think is what most would say.
	Should pay.
	Yes.
	Well, here, let me get everybody's answer.
	Who else is 50-50?
	I am.
	Who should pay?
	I honestly wouldn't expect the man to pay.
	I always bring enough money for myself.
	So don't explain.
	Yeah, don't explain the bill.
	So whoever says whoever asks, who should ask?
	I think we're.
	Starting with you.
	Whoever's interested, like, if I'm interested in the guy, then I'll ask him.
	How many times have you asked a man out?
	Well, I've only had one real boyfriend, so I never had one.
	Okay, so hold on.
	Well, let me get everybody's answers.
	Yeah, I agree with her.
	You guys are just going to be sheep and just like you're going to be able to do it.
	No, no, it's not being a sheep.
	It's just because, yeah, whoever's interested, you should ask her.
	Who should ask?
	You should have the confidence to have.
	Okay, so who should ask?
	Traditionally, yes, it would be the man, but I think that anyone can ask.
	I've asked and I've paid, so it's whoever's interested.
	I've actually only ever asked guys on dates.
	I've never personally been asked out on a date.
	I've only ever asked guys.
	Stop the caps!
	I swear to God.
	Have you ever been on the dating app?
	Back like freshman year, but I've never ever ever gone on dates with a boyfriend.
	So every single date, every single date you've been on, you asked the guy.
	The last three years, the only date I'm asking.
	First date, I'm talking first date.
	You can't count.
	I've been dating a guy for three months, and I asked him out on a date.
	That does not count.
	I've never had flings, relationships, or hookups.
	I've only ever dated or on and off with that guy for three years, and I've asked, I'm the one that pursued him.
	So you made the first move?
	Yes, I pursued him at the bar.
	And that's what he said.
	The one thing he's always loved about me was he's never had a female that's went and pursued a man, and that's what he did.
	Of all the guys you've been on a date with, did they ask or did you?
	They ask.
	How many dates have you been on?
	I haven't gone on like real dates where people will just like.
	Like, okay, hang out.
	Because I usually say like no, but they've always asked me.
	What's all the dates you've been on?
	I've never even gone on like a real date.
	Just hang out, kick it, whatever.
	They've asked.
	Every single time.
	And what about all the dates you haven't gone on or hangouts you haven't done, but you've been asked?
	What about that?
	How many, how many, okay, so how many first dates do you think you've been on?
	When I say dates, we'll include just casual kick it, hang out.
	Like two.
	Two.
	So in those two, the guy asked?
	Yeah.
	And then have you been asked by a guy to kick it, but you said no?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever asked a guy to kick it and they said no?
	No.
	Okay.
	But you've never asked a guy?
	No.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I know in high school I definitely asked guys out.
	I think more frequently now I definitely don't.
	Definitely don't?
	No.
	No.
	Of all the first dates you've been on, who asked?
	Was it the guy or you?
	Of all of them, there were probably, I don't know, about two that I've been on that I've asked.
	How many dates have you been on?
	First dates?
	Quite a few.
	How many?
	10, 20, 30, 40, 50.
	If we're including just like kick it hangouts, I feel like it's just too many to count.
	Sure.
	Well, how many?
	20 plus, 30 plus, 40 plus, 50 plus?
	Probably like 20 plus.
	And you asked two?
	No, honestly, I've probably asked more, and I just can't remember.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've asked a few.
	Okay.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	How many first dates have I been on?
	More than 10.
	Huh?
	Like more than 10.
	More than 10?
	Okay.
	Of all those who made, who initiated it, you or the guy?
	Usually the guys.
	Usually the guys?
	What about you?
	Oh, well, you already answered.
	Well, I've only had, yeah, I've only really had three first days.
	I don't casually date anybody.
	It's when I'm in a relationship with them.
	And I, I mean, my first one was high school boyfriend, probably mutual.
	Well, this whole thing on like whoever asks should pay, none of you ask, really.
	You'll do it once, twice, whatever.
	But I mean, your answer might as well be men.
	Especially in your case, right?
	You said you've never asked a guy out?
	Nope.
	Yeah.
	So, but your answer was: whoever asks should pay.
	If I ask.
	So what you're saying is, of all the times you've hung out, did any of these hangouts include the man paying for a meal?
	How is that?
	You said you've never been on a date.
	I'm just...
	Or you said two, or...
	Do these hangouts include food?
	Yeah.
	But you don't consider them a date?
	Do you meet at the food place and eat at the food place?
	No.
	So you go food?
	You get to go food and you eat it at his place.
	No, they just pick me up and we eat in the car.
	You eat in the car?
	Like, that's why I'm saying I've never been on a.
	It's like more of like, I can't put it in terms of like a dating stance because it's more like just hanging out with, I guess, distant friends that I haven't got with in a long time.
	Okay.
	But in those cases, like, they always pay.
	So 50-50 then?
	I can put it in this sense.
	When I was with my boyfriend, I would pay.
	Like, sometimes I would pay, sometimes he would pay.
	Right, but how do you get into a relationship?
	Isn't there like an initial dating stage?
	He asked me, yeah.
	Yeah.
	But how can all of you who said like 50-50 seems overwhelmingly the case that you're looking to men to take initiative, so how could it possibly be 50-50?
	Right.
	Because they're the ones asking.
	But nothing is preventing you from equally contributing to a start of a relationship by, oh, that guy's attractive.
	Let me approach him.
	Let me make the first move.
	Let me ask for his number.
	Let me plan the date.
	Let me try to set up the date.
	Let me pick the location.
	Well, for me specifically, it takes a lot for me to like someone.
	So then if I do find them attractive and if I do like them, I will approach them.
	That's me being interested, and that's me asking them out on a first date, so then I will pay.
	But there hasn't been a lot of those kinds of instances.
	It was more so a man who found me attractive, and he was the one who was asking me out on a date.
	Okay.
	What about going for the first kiss?
	More often than not, do you initiate the first kiss or does the guy?
	Starting with you.
	I don't know.
	I feel like that's like mutual.
	Like you just look at each other and you're like, okay.
	It's not.
	It's rarely mutual.
	I think so.
	Like, I guess in my case, but again, I don't have that many.
	So you're saying it's just mutually like you both at the exact same instance just like you you lock eyes and then you're like, oh, okay.
	Like you go, like it's kind of mutual.
	Like it's kind of mutual.
	Yeah.
	I feel like I'm so used to guys actually asking for like consent before they kiss me and they're like, can I kiss you?
	And I'm just like, um, yeah, I've been sitting here leaning in, giving you blirty eyes for the half hour.
	Like, yeah.
	Okay.
	But I mean, like.
	So it's the guy then.
	Um, I mean, sometimes it's the guy, but like, sometimes it's also just like mutual where we like, yeah, both lean in.
	But yeah, usually I'll just ask him, like, well, he'll just like ask for consent.
	And I'm just like, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
	Like, I've been sitting here waiting.
	And sometimes I just kind of kiss.
	But so you already made the determination that you wanted to kiss the man, so shouldn't you have done it?
	Yeah.
	And I guess that's the point where I'm like, I could also ask.
	Not 50-50?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Mine's been 50-50.
	You're 50-50.
	You won't initiate, but you'll.
	No, I have initiated.
	He'll initiate the kiss.
	You ask for permission or you just go for it?
	Of course.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've initiated before.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, if I'm interested in that person, I'm not trying to play games or wait around or drop the hints.
	Okay, of all the times you've kissed somebody who initiated the kiss?
	The man. The man. The man. The man. The man.
	Macy.
	How about you, Brian?
	The man?
	The man.
	Yeah, the man.
	I want to say 99% of the time, I've initiated it.
	I love that.
	There's maybe been one time where the girl went for it, I think.
	But otherwise.
	By the way, welcome, Andrew Wilson.
	What is going on with your background, sir?
	Holy shit.
	Oh, I can't see you guys.
	Oh, you got to start Virtual Cam.
	Sorry about that, Andrew.
	Welcome, welcome, Andrew.
	Good to see you.
	Good to see you.
	Me too.
	Do you want to just give yourself a quick intro?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube, to my knowledge.
	I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, and I enjoy engaging in debates occasionally.
	All right, good to have you, Andrew.
	I'm going to finish up some of my pre-show notes here.
	So let's see.
	Going back to Haley, we were talking about why do men move on faster.
	We already talked about that.
	You wanted to, how to get that bad bitch energy back without being scared or worried about what others think?
	In my defense, I was babysitting, and the 12-year-old was like telling me kind of what to say a little bit.
	I don't remember sexing that.
	Yeah, I struggle.
	I mean, she can contest to it, but I struggle a lot now with my confidence and a lot of insecurities and trust issues.
	So I just kind of want to have that, like, I want to be able to walk down the street and not have to care what every single person is thinking of me, even though they're probably not looking at me.
	Or, you know, like, oh, what if I post this?
	What's someone going to say?
	I just want to do it for me, live my life.
	I'm young and single.
	And I mean, just focus on myself, my career, and just not care what others are thinking.
	I just want to get that energy back.
	All right.
	And then I guess moving on, you said that what is everyone's thoughts of going into a new relationship and sharing your past with that person?
	Should you be open about your past or is it not their business?
	So is this like related to your account, essentially?
	I would say a little bit, yeah.
	I'm just curious as to, because that was in my situation with my relationship.
	He held my past over me, constantly never forgave me for it, even though when I made decisions, I made them like pretty dumb and everything.
	I just am curious as to when you get into new relationships, is that something you're supposed to disclose?
	Like, oh, by the way, X, Y, and Z I did five years ago, or is that only when it gets like brought up in the conversation?
	I'm just, I've always heard one end, be completely open and honest, and lay it all out on the table day one or whatever.
	And then I've also heard it's not their business.
	Keep it to yourself.
	Like, if it gets brought up, be truthful and be honest, but you don't need to go spill the beans on your past.
	Just, it's your past.
	Keep it there.
	Just curious on everyone else's viewpoint on that.
	I would agree if somebody asks you a direct question, be honest.
	Honest.
	If it's topical and relevant.
	But if you're just spilling the beans, it can be a pudding.
	Here's how I'll frame it.
	Here's how I'm going to frame it to the panel.
	Is it okay for a woman to lie?
	No, no.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Is it okay for a woman to lie to a new partner about her body cast?
	Absolutely not.
	No, Be honest.
	No.
	I think resounding no's.
	Wait, Andrew, one request.
	Can you turn those LEDs off?
	It's very, I know you're patriotic, Andrew.
	I know the blue.
	I know you love the French.
	I know you're a fan of the French, Andrew.
	Is it possible?
	I mean, this is not white like all of the flags your country has always made.
	Why you gotta bring it there?
	Andrew, why you gotta, why you gotta do that to me, man?
	Yeah, I'll turn him off.
	Turn him off.
	You can take me off the screen for a second.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Andrew.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Okay, Kaylani?
	Kaylani.
	Kalani.
	You said one time I had my friend add my now ex-boyfriend on sand.
	Oh, okay.
	No, hold on.
	I'm going to skip that one.
	Let's see.
	How to know.
	Oh, you wanted to talk about who has more power in society, men or women?
	Yeah, I do.
	Who do you want you start off?
	Who do you think?
	Honestly, I think women have a lot of power towards a man, but I think the man should have the power over all because the man is the leader.
	In society.
	Or in a relationship, or both.
	I guess both, actually, both.
	I mean, for me personally.
	Okay.
	I think the man should have the power.
	take there from her i think the man should have the power but in in society because you the question was yeah who has more power in society men or women you think it's Do you think it's women, but men should?
	Was that an acknowledgement of my statement?
	Yeah, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So you think women have more power in society, but men should have more power?
	I think it just depends because I think a woman has a lot of power because with a man, for example, like if you think of a pastor and his wife, no one sees like the struggles that's going on, but the wife still helps him.
	So I think women have a lot of power when it comes to persuading men in ways to get what they want, if that makes sense.
	So like, okay, I see what you're saying.
	Going around the table, agree, disagree with what she thinks who has more power in society, men or women?
	I think men definitely have more power in society.
	Although I feel like it should be more equal.
	More equal?
	Okay.
	All right.
	What do you think?
	I think men have more power in society, but it's for sure like more women are starting to be appreciated now, like towards equal power at least.
	I agree.
	Yeah, I agree as well.
	I think it's definitely still a bit male-dominated, but women are kind of sliding in there, I guess.
	Yeah, for now, men still have a lot more power.
	Men have more power.
	I agree.
	I don't see how men have more power than women, but it's becoming more equal now to me, I think.
	I think it's pretty much equal.
	Equal, okay.
	I also agree on that.
	You agree on what?
	That it's like inching towards more equal, but I would say men would have more power initially.
	Okay.
	I'm a bit unclear.
	It's like, are we saying men are in positions of power, so they're leadership roles?
	I think men should be in leadership roles.
	So I don't see an issue with it.
	I think women are the gatekeepers to life, and they hold a lot of power and have influence over men.
	I don't know if that answered anything.
	Okay, well, I think.
	Well, As an egalitarian, I think I don't think that men have more power.
	I think we have a gynocentric society.
	I think women have more power than men, and women have more rights than men, too.
	You got more rights.
	More rights.
	You seem to disagree.
	Do you disagree on the rights thing?
	How so?
	Do you disagree on the rights thing?
	I do, but no comment.
	Well, so what rights does a woman have?
	Or excuse me, what rights does a man have that a woman does not?
	No comment.
	I mean, come on, you got to engage here.
	You're just not going to engage.
	The right to not comment.
	Is that the right?
	The right to not comment.
	Is that a right that women have that men don't have?
	The right to not comment?
	No, but I'm saying I don't want to comment on this right now.
	Why is that?
	Just no comment.
	I just disagree, but no comment.
	So you're not prepared to actually defend your position because well, I just disagree with your disagreement, and I disagree with you not commenting.
	So I disagree with that.
	Okay, but I still...
	Yeah.
	Dano, but I still want you to not comment.
	So since we're just making assertions about asserting things, then I disagree with your disagreement, and you don't want to, but I want you to.
	So I don't know where that leaves us.
	If you disagree, can you tell us why you disagree?
	What's that?
	I just said it's just me not commenting.
	Well, you did comment by saying you disagree, but.
	Right.
	How?
	But okay, so you disagree because you do think that there would be something that points to men having more rights to women, and I'm simply asking you, which ones?
	No comment.
	That's not how you have a conversation with somebody.
	Let me think on this for a second, but no comment for now.
	I mean, you want, how long do you want?
	I don't know, but no comment for now.
	You can't.
	You need to think about it.
	You're able to disagree with it immediately, but you can provide an encouragement.
	She doesn't want to explain her disagreement because she is a coward who cannot defend her own positions.
	These bimbles are pathetic, and there is a reason they shouldn't be in charge.
	Thank you, Chris.
	Okay.
	Cool, I guess.
	Thank you, Chris, for that.
	That was a good one.
	Thank you, Chris.
	Okay.
	Sorry, I got to change it back to English.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	I am sorry.
	Well, you've had about a minute there to meditate on it.
	Do you want to take a crack at?
	I don't think women have more rights than men, because that's what you initially said, correct?
	That is what you said, right?
	So what, let me flip this question on to you then.
	I disagree with that, okay?
	What kinds of women, what kinds of rights do women have that men don't have?
	Well, hold on, but wait, wait, wait, that's what you said, though, right?
	That women have more rights than men, and that's what you said.
	So I disagree with that.
	Hold on.
	I'll answer your question if you answer mine first, since I posed it to you first.
	Okay, yeah, I disagree.
	I think men and women have the same amount of rights.
	I don't think that women have more rights than men.
	No, but initially, right, but initially you said that, if I recall, I could be slightly mistaken here.
	You did seem to imply that there are rights that men possess that women don't.
	When did I imply that?
	stated that.
	Yeah, that was your initial answer to the question.
	Was that you thought that men had more rights than women?
	Yeah, he said men have more rights than women.
	That's what I said verbatim.
	Ryan verbatim asked, do women have more rights than men?
	And you quickly said yes.
	I apologize, but I disagree with what you said.
	Women do not have more rights.
	So there's equal rights then.
	Yeah, I think we have equal rights.
	So I'll answer your question then.
	Where do I begin?
	Let's talk immediately upon birth.
	So most boys, most newborns in this country, immediately upon birth have their genitals mutilated.
	They don't have a right to consent or not consent to this because they're obviously newborns and they can't make an informed decision on that.
	So immediately that's one way in which boys in this country are not protected.
	They don't have a right to their own bodily autonomy.
	And I'm sure you have arguments of your own when it comes to bodily autonomy.
	That's one.
	Another bodily autonomy argument I have is that men are compelled.
	So women, I don't know if it's so much from the framing of a right as a lack of a duty/slash responsibility, but I suppose I could find Law Paladins donated $200.
	60% of women don't comment in the wards.
	Thank you, Law Paladins.
	Appreciate it.
	So women have the right to not be subject to forced military conscription.
	They don't have to register for selective service.
	If there was a draft, they can't be drafted by law.
	They don't have, as a man, if you don't register for the selective service, there's certain negative repercussions.
	It's technically a felony.
	You could be imprisoned.
	There's a $250,000 fine.
	You're barred from certain federal programs.
	You can't apply for certain federal jobs.
	You can't get student loans, for example.
	You can't, I think it might bar you from, I'm trying to, there's a couple more, but in any case, beyond just, oh, you can't vote too.
	So those are two that kind of strike me immediately.
	Ways in which there's an inequality between men and women.
	Why do you think that is?
	Why?
	Because the men, is that going to be your argument?
	No, I'm genuinely curious, like, what do you think about that?
	Why do you think that is?
	Think about the circumcision one or the draft one.
	Well, either one, like for the draft one, for example, would you want women to get drafted?
	Absolutely.
	In the name of equality, are you against equality?
	No, I'm for it.
	Yeah, women should be subject to forced military conscription the same way men are.
	Okay, then.
	You disagree?
	I was going to say, why not just get rid of it?
	Yeah, we should just get rid of war too, shouldn't we?
	Well, I mean, we haven't used it in how many years?
	We haven't had to have a draft in how many years?
	Do you know when the last draft was?
	No, I'm asking.
	You're asking me when the last one was?
	Vietnam.
	Okay, yeah.
	Yeah.
	There are men who would have been alive today had they not been drafted.
	And there are men alive today who were drafted who have cut up arms.
	They're what's the word for it?
	PTSD.
	PTSD.
	Trauma.
	Trauma, etc.
	And even though we haven't had an actual draft, in order for us men to be able to vote, we have to be subject to it.
	We have to register for selective service.
	We cannot vote unless we register.
	And I already listed out, it's technically a felony.
	$250,000 fine.
	You are barred from certain federal programs, federal jobs, student loans, can't vote, et cetera.
	And we can't.
	So assuming in the world where you can't get rid of the draft, would you agree with me that women should be subject to forced military conscription?
	I mean, in the event that it's necessary?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I know plenty of women who have just voluntarily signed up to go be Marines.
	What does that have to do with anything?
	Well, I mean, like, you don't even.
	There are plenty of people joining the military, are they not?
	Or they're not.
	Yeah, they can volunteer.
	Yeah.
	But they're not forced to in the event of a draft.
	They wouldn't be forced to.
	Yeah, and there are also plenty of men just volunteering to go.
	Sure.
	So my point being, do we not have plenty of people?
	Why do we still need it?
	In the event that we need it?
	Do you think we're closer to war now than we were 10 years ago?
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, I don't know.
	It's just an interesting thought.
	Anyways, we were talking about.
	By the way, Nick, does this look overexposed?
	Well, it's too late now, but if somebody steps in front of the camera, it tends to overexpose it.
	I think it looks okay.
	It looks, well, but it'll only last briefly.
	Just something to be aware of.
	If it is overexposed, I can fix it.
	We have a message here from New Bear question.
	Donate 100.
	Let's say it's a starved bear or an evil man.
	Both of them are fully intent on making sure you have a bad day.
	Do you think your chances of escape are greater against the bear or the man?
	Starting with you?
	Are we answering this question?
	Into the mic.
	I feel like you would probably be dead either way, so I'd still pick bear.
	I would pick the man, and I think I changed my answer from the first time, too.
	I think I'm going to stick with the bear.
	I'm going to stick with the bear, too.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, the question was: do you think your chances of escape are greater against the bear or the man?
	I think my chances are zero, and I'd rather be killed by the bear.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, me too.
	Andrew, you missed quite an interesting bear segment, but I don't know if it's worth rehashing it.
	In any case, there was a bit of a determination from the girls over here that something about 80 to 90 million men in the United States would be inclined to either murder or harm, like essay a woman essentially.
	So that was interesting.
	Can we try to play a game of can Andrew pick out the feminists on the panel?
	So I don't know anything about them, but can I just see if my feminism radar is up to snuff?
	Yeah, let's do it.
	Let's do it.
	All right, let's do it.
	So we'll start with Big Red on the right, right?
	Pleasure to meet you, by the way.
	Feminist, for sure.
	100%, 100,000%.
	Got to be a feminist.
	Am I wrong?
	I mean, I never identified as one, but sure.
	Yeah, well, okay, so that's actually a good point.
	When I say feminism, I mean, definitionally, the movement towards egalitarianism and the rejection of patriarchal systems.
	That's feminism.
	Yeah, okay, yeah.
	Yeah, so you'd be a feminist, right?
	And then to the gal next to you, definitely a feminist.
	Yes, by that definition or no?
	Um, sure.
	Okay.
	Gal next to you, definitely a feminist.
	Am I correct by that definition?
	I've never outright called myself a feminist, but I mean, I well, let me just give you the definition.
	Based on the definition, I guess it's accurate.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Gal next to you, definitely a feminist.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Gal next to you, definitely a feminist.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	I wouldn't consider myself one based on that.
	Movement towards egalitarian systems with the rejection of patriarchal systems.
	No.
	No?
	No?
	Did I get it wrong?
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	So I just want to let you know I can totally cheat and just call everybody on the panel a feminist by that, and I would still get most of them right, right?
	So I could just cheat.
	But I'm going to try not to do that.
	I'm going to try not to do that.
	Okay, gal next to you, not a feminist.
	Correct.
	Not a feminist.
	Gal next to you, not a feminist.
	Correct.
	Gal next to you, possibly a feminist by that definition.
	No.
	No?
	No?
	Not at all.
	Well, and then the gal next to you, and then the other one, not feminist, correct?
	Hold on.
	I don't know if there's any room.
	Is there a possibility for you three to like scoot that way a little bit?
	No, no, no.
	Just like you three, room for you guys to scoot chairs this way a little bit?
	No, there is like no room.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Continue.
	Sorry.
	Continue, Andrew.
	Okay, so I called the last two.
	I think I got it.
	So I think I only got one wrong.
	Did I only get one wrong?
	I only got one.
	Yeah.
	So I think my feminist radar is doing pretty good.
	I question why you think I'm a feminist.
	So I'm just going to, I'll be totally honest with you.
	This is completely non-scientific.
	100%.
	I just feel like after talking to so many women at this point, based purely on how they're dressed and their physiognomy, I can tell pretty quick if they're feminist.
	We are just almost the same.
	Plus I have honestly more guy friends than I do girls, so I'm not a super big feminist.
	I mean, that doesn't mean anything, though, right?
	Women usually prefer the company of men over other women.
	Now, before we get into the feminist conversation, I think I do want to try to at least finish up all the pre-show notes before we dive into that one.
	But that would certainly be an interesting conversation.
	So, Aaliyah, I want to bring it to you.
	You went through an unfortunate ho phase after you ended up 4.5-year relationship.
	Yeah.
	You got with someone who I was going to marry after a week of knowing them and ended up being ghosted.
	You were rated by your ex and used to be offended by the rating.
	Now you understand?
	Yep.
	What was the rating?
	He rated me as 6.
	The reason why I was offended, though, is because he rated other women as a five-year-old.
	Don't you think that that's a little high?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	But I was saying that he rated other women an eight in front of me and we were together.
	So that's why I was upset about that.
	Well, that seems a little crass.
	That's mean.
	Yeah, you should at least save that for when you're out drinking with your buddies, right?
	Isn't that the rules?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So.
	And then, sorry, he rated you what?
	He rated me a six when I was 20.
	That's above average.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's above average.
	I understand now I fell for the whole I'm a 10 bullshit.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Wait, everyone.
	Speaking of Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10, starting with.
	I'm supposed to rate myself.
	Hold on.
	Yes.
	Looks.
	Scale of one to ten.
	Wait, who do I want to start with?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, we'll just start over here.
	Why not?
	I'd give myself a solid seven.
	Okay.
	Well, you can't pick seven.
	You can't pick seven.
	You gotta pick eight or six.
	You can't pick seven.
	You gotta pick eight or six.
	Yeah, same.
	Right.
	You got such an immediate number.
	We should give it an eight.
	Okay.
	Eight.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	I'd say I'm an eight.
	Eight.
	I'd say seven point five.
	Old man.
	I'm saying six.
	I say six.
	Five.
	Eight.
	Eight.
	Nine.
	That's true.
	Thank you.
	I'd give it a ten.
	Thank you.
	Gotta be humble.
	I don't know if there's really an Andrew.
	I don't know if there's anything to pick apart here on the radio.
	Just a couple things.
	I just want to be clear.
	Raise your hand if you understand the question to not mean your personality or any other contributing factors, just your looks.
	Can you raise your hand if that's how you understood the question to be?
	Okay.
	So then, if I were to ask you what ugly is, right?
	Like what is an ugly woman?
	What does that look like?
	Can you describe that for me?
	No?
	Can anybody on the panel describe that?
	Penguining on feminist first.
	Can any of the feminists describe for me what an ugly woman looks like?
	I think more of really what would make.
	Are you talking like physically ugly?
	Yeah, just physically.
	Just their looks.
	Oh, just their looks.
	They're a beautiful person on the inside.
	You know, they've gone to all the great spiritual retreats.
	They're wonderful human beings.
	I'm just purely talking about their physical looks.
	Yeah, but I feel like that's just kind of like unnecessarily kind of rude.
	I don't know.
	Why?
	I don't want to like state what makes someone ugly because like you're going to find someone who finds it beautiful.
	You're using the bar eye of the beholder.
	The right person will see you as a piece of heart.
	Well, so let me ask you a question.
	If you can't tell me what ugly is, then why should we believe you about what beautiful is?
	And why should we believe that you're in that category?
	Believe whatever you want.
	I don't care.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Well, whether you care about it or not, I'm asking you a question.
	I'm not asking you if you should care about what I believe.
	That's not the question I'm asking.
	I'm asking why would a person believe, if you can't tell them what an ugly person is, why you should think that you should be in the beautiful category.
	That is a really good point.
	That it's just subjective and it's all like society built.
	Now, going over to the non-feminist side of the room, I'd like to note that I think we're going to get more honest answers.
	To the non-feminist side, can you describe what an ugly woman looks like?
	She's disportionate with her facial flaws, very flawed.
	How they present themselves.
	Gray hair, obese, disformed aging, wrinkles, fat skin.
	Yeah.
	Leather skin.
	Yeah.
	What about old?
	Yeah, old.
	Is that a contributing factor?
	Age?
	I don't think so.
	Yeah.
	I don't think it makes you ugly, just maybe not pretty, not as attractive.
	I think when you.
	But not as attractive would be moving you down the scale towards ugly, right?
	That's true.
	And that's true.
	But I don't think they're ugly just because it changes.
	No, no, I'm not saying that they're ugly just because they're older.
	That's not my claim.
	I'm just saying it's at least a contributing factor, right?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, some men age like fine wine.
	You know?
	Men are attracted to youth.
	Exactly.
	And standing out.
	Yeah, I was just curious.
	there's a distinction.
	So how come, so to the feminists on the panel, how come they're able to describe this, but you're not able to describe it?
	Even though you do have standards for what it is, otherwise you couldn't put yourself in the beauty standard.
	Is it just because you don't want to hurt people's feelings?
	No, it's not because, well, for me personally, it's not because I don't want to hurt people's feelings, but it's like I look at my mom who has wrinkles all over her face.
	I would never consider her ugly.
	I see every moment of her life in which she enjoyed, where she sat out in the sun, had time, shared laughs with her friends.
	Like, I know.
	I just genuinely.
	So I think I understand what you're saying.
	You're saying, like, I know people personally.
	Because I don't think it's ugly.
	Yeah, who, according to my beauty standard, may not be beautiful, but I wouldn't tell them that.
	I get that.
	No, I genuinely don't think it's ugly.
	I think I understand.
	Do you just have no standard for what ugly is at all?
	None.
	I mean, no, but.
	No.
	It's like if a chick had a big hunch on her back and warts all over her face and she was missing all of her teeth and half of her face right here, her cheek was completely busted out and her tongue was hanging out the sides of her teeth.
	Is that still a beautiful woman?
	I mean, physically, I guess no, but like you also don't know what happened to her.
	You just look and you're judging.
	Why would that matter?
	Why would it matter?
	Why would it matter if a meteorite hit her and that's what caused it or she got hit by a truck and that's what why would that matter?
	Why would that be a contributing factor?
	Why would the why in this case matter at all as to whether or not this person is physically attractive or not?
	Because the why always matters.
	You always need to look deeper.
	I mean if you don't think so that's fine.
	We can just keep that.
	Okay, but I mean I want you to think about this.
	So I'll try to reframe this.
	Let's say that society had a beauty standard where people with two arms were considered more beautiful than people with one arm.
	Whether or not I got my arm lopped off by a machete or it was blown off in a war or a dump truck fell on it and that's what severed it, I would still only have the one arm.
	So the beauty standard would still be the same, right?
	I'm not sure why how that happened has anything to do with the standard of what is beautiful or not.
	You see what I'm saying?
	I know what you're talking about.
	Like, I know, I get what you're talking about.
	Like, a homeless person might not be considered pretty or attractive because of how they may present themselves based off living off the streets for however.
	Sorry, I love that you're just lighting a cigarette right now.
	That's so okay.
	I just was not expecting that.
	The hell is wrong with lighting a cigarette?
	No, nothing.
	Nothing.
	I just, no judgment.
	I just was not expecting it.
	No judgment.
	Like I'm over here snorting cocaine off of a hooker or something.
	Like, what's going on?
	What's going on?
	All I did was light a cigarette.
	I was like, to light up in the middle of a podcast.
	It just caught me a bit off guard.
	I mean, like, I'd support, do you?
	If you feel like you need a cigarette, shoot, grab a cigarette.
	Andrew, I don't know if you want to, maybe just for the sake of time, I don't know if...
	Yeah, yeah, I'm done.
	I'm done with the inquiry here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I guess just like this is always just an interesting one to ask, but I don't think we'll linger too long on the whole rating thing.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time, starting with you, as compared to now?
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You're 20.
	Will you be better at 30?
	I hope so.
	Better looking at 30.
	I hope so.
	Yeah, but you hope so, but what do you think?
	Yeah.
	Better looking at 40?
	Shit, probably not.
	What about you?
	You're 21, better looking at 31?
	At 31?
	or are you better looking now depending on what oh see that's such a hard question I'd hope I look better at 31.
	Hope has nothing to do with it.
	That's true.
	I don't know, because I like observe how women grow and they seem to kind of grow into like this womanhood.
	Like I'm looking at you and you seem like you've grown into your womanhood now that you've aged a bit.
	Thank you.
	But like, yeah, like I would.
	I, mmm, yeah, okay.
	I think I'll be.
	I think so.
	What about 41?
	41?
	Probably not, but.
	Okay.
	But you will be more attractive at 31 as compared to now at 21.
	What about you?
	I'd be more attractive at 30, but not at 40.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I don't think I will.
	No.
	What about you?
	No, as much as I would want to.
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	No.
	And then you're 31.
	Do you think you're more attractive at 21 than you are now at 31?
	Yes.
	More attractive at 21?
	Yeah, I was more attractive at 21.
	All right.
	What about you?
	You're 18.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 28 versus now?
	Yeah.
	38 versus now?
	No.
	38 versus 28?
	No.
	Okay.
	What about you, Morgan?
	Me?
	28, yeah.
	Okay.
	38?
	No, no.
	Okay, what about you?
	No.
	Not better looking?
	You're 29, not better looking at 39?
	Correct.
	Were you better looking at 19 as compared to now?
	I'm better looking now.
	Better looking now.
	I wonder if I should change how this question is asked.
	Are you more attractive to men now as opposed to when you were 19?
	That's a good way to phrase it.
	Am I more attracted to men now?
	Do you think if we took a thousand men now and a thousand men back then, hmm, I'm trying to think how to frame this.
	Do you think they would be more attracted to you now or when you were 19?
	The men would be more attracted to the 19-year-old.
	Okay.
	Or yeah, the simple way, like if there were a thousand men, do you think they'd be more attracted to you now or how you looked at 19?
	19.
	Yeah, okay.
	Why, but you believe you're better looking now, though, despite this?
	I do.
	Okay.
	I think I take better care of myself now than I did at 19.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's see.
	We have, did we get through all of the notes from Kaylani?
	Should a relationship be 50-50?
	I'm not going to be able to hit all of your notes.
	Wait, there's one.
	Do you believe in gender equality?
	You wanted to.
	Do you believe in equality?
	Inequality.
	This is one you wanted to pose for the table.
	It's different than your previous one.
	Do you believe in equality?
	Let's come back to that later.
	Let's see.
	Should a relationship be 50-50?
	We already talked on that.
	You said you disagree with the host on anything, but maybe thinking that all women are whores?
	What?
	You get that one.
	No, because...
	Not all women.
	No, I know, but like... 60% of women.
	Would that be a biased thing to say that 60% of women are poor?
	That's what you think, then that's what you think.
	But you wouldn't object to it.
	You wouldn't be like, well, that's a bit excessive.
	If that's the experiences you had, then no, I don't object to it.
	Okay.
	We're doing a callback here, Andrew, where she said 60% of men would, in the bear, man, bear thing, would opt to victimize.
	So she said essentially, like 80 to 90 million men in the United States would Choose to murder or essay a woman, essentially.
	And then it was 50, 30, 50% for the rest of the girls here.
	So it's a lot, a lot of 80 million men.
	It's a lot of men.
	But we, I don't know if you want to.
	No, okay, let's get through the pre-show notes here.
	All right.
	Oh, going back to Aaliyah, you said your now-husband dated your sister.
	Yes.
	In high school, 16 years ago.
	It was their high school relationship.
	That's crazy.
	Nice.
	Did they boink?
	Did they?
	Did they?
	Did they boy?
	They did.
	They did.
	And me and him discuss that too.
	Me and him discuss a lot of things.
	Has he ever been afraid of that?
	Because we've been best friends for like 16 years.
	He told me I'm better.
	I mean, of course.
	I mean, he's going to.
	What's your sister think?
	I mean, I don't really talk to her about what me and him talk about.
	So.
	Like at the wedding.
	Oh, no, she's fine with it.
	She's moved on.
	She has a kid with somebody else.
	She's, I mean, she's doing great.
	She's moved on.
	It's crazy.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	You said, is it spiteful to be eye for an eye in a relationship?
	So if someone isn't giving what the other gives, is it wrong or ingenuine to step back?
	Is this like about oral sex, basically?
	No, it's more about the 50-50 thing.
	I guess not really oral sex.
	It's just mainly.
	I don't know.
	I thought that's where you were going with that.
	If you're in a relationship with somebody and they're not giving you what they once were giving you, is it spiteful to step back and kind of reevaluate the relationship and not give your all because they're not giving their all anymore?
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's what that.
	Fair enough.
	Age gap relationships.
	You said 15 years and more is gross or gross.
	It is double standard to.
	Oh, that's a different.
	Hold on.
	Okay, so we'll touch on the age gap stuff.
	You said 10 to 15 years is pushing it.
	Sorry, but it gives me the ick.
	Yep.
	All I can do is.
	I know you guys don't like that, but it's weird.
	You say it's weird, gives you the ick, and that it's pushing it and it's gross.
	So can you make an argument?
	Okay, yeah.
	Okay, so I know that I'm projecting because I too have been okay.
	Let me start over.
	So you've been in one of those relationships, haven't you?
	Yes, actually, I have.
	I was underage dating someone that was five years older than me.
	Now looking back on it, it is gross.
	It does, to me, that gave the P vibe, if you know what I'm saying.
	So what about the 18-year-olds and them engaging in an age cap relationship?
	Okay, so it just the way I'm looking at it is if I'm talking about bigger age gaps, like 15, like, okay, 10 to 15 years.
	So what I'm looking at is like, okay, and I know this is wrong.
	Me and my husband even agrees that the way I look at this is wrong.
	So like if you're if you've been with someone, let's say they're 10 years younger than you, I just look back at the fact that you were 10 years old and they were a baby.
	To me, I just see that as kind of gross.
	But that's where I was going with that.
	Okay.
	So how come it doesn't give you incest vibes that you could be dating somebody who's the same age as your brother?
	That's a good question.
	I don't know if that really relates.
	Oh, I don't see how it doesn't, if it gives you the vibe.
	So, what you're doing, you're saying, how could you date somebody that young?
	Maybe that could be your daughter.
	That could be, this is where you're going with this, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so I mean, if that is the case, then how come it doesn't give you incest vibes to date somebody around your own age?
	They could be your brother.
	They could be, right?
	Yeah, I can see that.
	So I don't even understand the art.
	It literally makes no sense to me.
	If that person, if you date a woman who's 15 years younger than you and you say, well, that's like dating your daughter.
	Okay, well, then if you date a man who's three years older than you, that's like dating your brother.
	Does that even make sense to you?
	I mean, that part doesn't, but I don't know.
	It could just be because it's a completely nonsensical worldview.
	It makes no sense whatsoever.
	And I said that.
	I said I was projecting.
	Yeah.
	So.
	I'm just letting you know.
	Right.
	It's like, it's just.
	Yeah, you make a valid point.
	I already know that I'm projecting.
	I already said it.
	It's just how I feel.
	Okay.
	So it just gives you the ick.
	Yep.
	Literally, it gives me the ick.
	Well, what if a woman wants that?
	Like, let's say an 18-year-old is trying to get with a 40-year-old, like, women do sugar daddies or whatever.
	What if that's the situation?
	She's pursuing him.
	Yeah, true girl.
	I still think sugar baby is.
	Do you pursue the man in the whole sugar baby situation?
	I don't know.
	I've never done it.
	I've been approached to be a sugar baby, but they've always just like hopped in my DMs.
	I'm like, you're probably fake.
	Oh.
	Because I know, well, I'm not friends with them anymore, but back when I first was in college, I knew women would go on apps to literally look for that.
	Yeah, I'm not surprised that there are apps that like hold it, but I don't think I've ever seen an 18-year-old approach a 40-year-old and try and do that.
	I've always seen the opposite.
	Like, I've always seen men approaching women in my life.
	So even when women are older, does that give you the ick?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	Okay.
	Well, let me give you a personal anecdote.
	So I'm 35.
	I've had multiple women who are like 19, 20, 21 slide into my DMs.
	Did somebody say ooh?
	Did you just say ooh?
	Yeah, but they're like fresh out of high school.
	And that's like.
	If you're 19, you're in college finishing your sophomore.
	So you think it should be criminalized then?
	No, but I don't know.
	I said they were DMing me.
	Yeah, I'm like, why?
	Because they're interested in him.
	You don't, well, like, let's look at some like really successful older men.
	Like Henry Cavill, Ryan Cavill, Ryan Reynolds.
	You don't think like 19, 20, 21-year-old women aren't attracted to these men?
	Not Leo.
	You're not a DiCaprio.
	Yeah.
	Until they're 25.
	My fiancé is 10 years older than me.
	But does it still give you the ick if the woman's the initiator?
	I mean, it is kind of weird.
	Like, why are you trying to date someone that's older?
	I don't know.
	Well, let me reframe.
	Does it give you as much of the ick?
	Maybe a little bit.
	Maybe a little less, but.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, it's still a little gross, my opinion.
	Why?
	Why is it gross?
	Um, you're just, I don't know.
	I'm trying to think about it.
	It just kind of just comes back to like when you're gave me the ick.
	And I don't like that shit because it gave me the ick, right?
	That's what it comes down to, really, right?
	Yeah.
	Honestly, I actually want to tackle this from a different perspective.
	So if I even, let me just grant you all that it's icky, gross, creepy, predatory, whatever.
	I'll just grant it to you.
	Make an actual compelling argument in terms of the benefits to the man for why he should date, for example, a 35-year-old over a 25-year-old.
	Well, make an actual compelling argument to the benefits to the man.
	I mean, there's not really a benefit for the man.
	Okay.
	I'm open to hearing from the rest of the panel.
	Make an actual argument.
	Maybe maturity.
	I was going to say they're probably emotionally more mature.
	Does maturity also sometimes come with baggage and trauma and you're less good-looking?
	Yes.
	Okay, so do you think maturity, the benefit of maturity, is going to outweigh 10 years of aging in terms of a woman's beauty?
	No.
	She's more fertile when she's a good person.
	And actually, the reality is this whole trope of older women being more mature.
	There's plenty of young women who are mature and plenty of older women who are incredibly immature.
	That's true.
	It's not like you turn 30 and all of a sudden you're not toxic, you're not a piece of shit, you're not a pain in the ass to deal with.
	All this shit, it stays and it gets worse a lot of times.
	If you have like any sort of mental illness, that shit gets worse as you get older.
	Oh, absolutely.
	It's 100% true.
	Some of the worst women I know are not old ladies, bro.
	They're fucking old ladies.
	They're Karen's.
	We've had, me and Andrew have encountered them on the show.
	God damn, bro.
	If me and Andrew get into a bad argument, like an argument with a 22-year-old and we disagree or whatever, it ends at the show.
	Some of these older women want to have a fucking vendetta for fucking months because there was a disagreement.
	For real?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's not a joke.
	I ain't joking around.
	They create spy dossiers.
	No joke.
	Little spy dossier.
	It's insane how this goes because there was an adversarial conversation.
	So it's understood that pressing some of these issues on us or back on you guys in an adversarial way can be uncomfortable.
	I understand that, but that doesn't mean it comes from a place of bad will or meanness or cruelty.
	It just means that dating in modernity is adversarial.
	And so the questions that are asked around it are super uncomfortable often.
	And having to actually think about why it is that you believe what you do is also uncomfortable sometimes.
	I still have not heard a compelling reason why a man should date a 35-year-old woman over a 25-year-old woman.
	I don't really know if there is a compelling reason on my end.
	I feel like it's what they.
	So then why should they be barred from dating younger women if you can't even make a compelling argument to the contrary?
	I think the only argument that there could be made is that if he actually can't have kids and the woman already has kids and he wants to share with those kids.
	How common of a scenario is that?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Wait, hang on.
	Let me.
	I'm trying to figure this out.
	Can you repeat that to me?
	Okay, so let me know.
	I think I understand what she's saying.
	So I think what she's trying to say, the only reason why a 35-year-old man would pick a 35-year-old woman over a 25-year-old woman, the 35-year-old woman is more likely to have children than the 25-year-old.
	And if he's infertile, his only chance to have children would be through adopting Brian.
	No, no, no.
	No, I'm saying that he's infertile, and the only reason a man would even be with a woman that is older if she has kids and he couldn't have kids.
	Isn't that exactly what I'm saying?
	That's what I'm saying.
	No, she's inferring something totally different here.
	Go ahead, finish the thought.
	I'm just saying the only reason a man would probably be with a woman is if she has kids and he literally cannot have kids and he loves these kids and he'd be like, all right, I want to be with this woman.
	Isn't that what I'm saying?
	Okay, well, then that is what Brian was saying.
	I thought you were going totally, somewhere totally different, but Brian was totally right.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, that is a W. Brian Elliott.
	W. Brian.
	Yeah, that was W. Brian.
	He takes it on that one.
	Yeah.
	I just.
	I don't really think there's a big reason, though.
	Well, I think, do you feel it's gross because the man's predatory?
	Is that it?
	It's predatory.
	Tim.
	Okay, he's 31, she's 21.
	I think that's a stereotype.
	I don't see.
	I think it's just like an age from like 18 to 20 that it's still kind of on the cusp of being really close.
	18 to 20 year olds, they're still teenage.
	Like 18 and 19, that's still teenagers.
	You're not a teenager if you're 20.
	No, if you're 20, no, but you're still more prone to doing bad and making bad decisions than you would.
	So should 18 to 20 year old women not be able to vote?
	No.
	I think it's all off the window when they're in the middle.
	To be clear, they can join the military, they can buy a firearm, they can get five figures, six figures of student loan debt, they can sign legally binding contracts, and they can vote, but they can't make a determination as to having a consensual, romantic, and sexual relationship with a man who's a bit older than her.
	I didn't say they can't.
	I said your what I mean is more your responsibility as an older adult is to just not seek that.
	Because if you're like over here at like, well, because I'm, see, you said 31 and 21.
	Sure.
	10 years to me is like whatever.
	That's fine.
	Okay, so 35 and 20.
	15 years.
	Oh, sorry.
	I did not register that in my brain.
	35 and 20.
	Yeah, let's say that that's it.
	I mean, 15 years, that's still slightly weird to me.
	I don't know why you can't just find someone your own age.
	That's pushing it for me, too.
	A man is motivated to date a younger woman because she's pretty.
	No, it's not fertility.
	No, it's fertility.
	It's literally she can bear his children.
	She has a higher chance of success of carrying a successful pregnancy.
	Can a 31-year-old woman not do that?
	Her chances of success decline rapidly once she hits 30.
	They decline, but it's not impossible.
	No, they can still get pregnant, but it's not like you're just completely poofed.
	Well, I think perhaps the argument is: I mean, there's a biological basis for this beyond just the actual like, I don't think a man intellectualizes she's fertile.
	But because men are programmed to find fertility attractive, they will find more youthful, for example, more youthful adult women attractive.
	Huh?
	For me, I think it's just they think younger women are sexier.
	I mean, that's what I've heard from nothing but men.
	It's like, yeah, why wouldn't they?
	Yeah, they're more physically attractive.
	Yeah, and that's just weird to me.
	It's what?
	That's just kind of like I get it, but at the same time, it's weird to me.
	Why is it weird?
	What do you think attraction is for?
	Why do you think men and women are attracted to each other?
	What do you think the ultimate purpose of that?
	Well, like, I'm just thinking if you're attracted to an 18-year-old, what's to say that that attraction can't then bend to a 17-year-old just because she's hot?
	Yeah, so we can tackle all of that at the kind of the same time.
	What do you think men and women are attracted to each other for?
	What is the purpose from an evolutionary standpoint of them being attracted to each other?
	What is the purpose of that?
	For procreation and pleasure.
	For procreation, right?
	And pleasure.
	Well, it wouldn't be, I mean, it's a pleasurable act, but the purpose of the act itself would not be for pleasure.
	It would be for procreation, right?
	Isn't that the primary edict is to reproduce?
	So if that is true, then why wouldn't it be true that through this kind of evolutionary model that men would be the most attracted to women who had the highest likelihood of being able to reproduce?
	Those women are going to be between about the ages of 18 and 26, right in that window.
	That makes sense, right?
	Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
	So then why not just?
	So then not only would it not be weird, wouldn't it be almost a biological certainty that most men would be attracted to women who were between 18 and 26 more than any other kind of group of women?
	Sure, maybe it'd be a certainty.
	But, I mean, then why not just find that person when you are that age?
	Yeah, well, I mean, but we're talking about attraction, right?
	Yeah, you still find those people attractive at that age when you're the same age.
	Yeah, no, I get it, but what's actually the problem if the opposite is true?
	So wouldn't it also make sense from an evolutionary standpoint that women would find men who are older to be attractive because they would associate this with a wider array of survivability?
	No?
	I feel like, I mean, I don't know.
	I've never dated an older man, but like you talked about the like age being too close to like a brother or something.
	I've dated a younger guy where I had that experience where I was like, oh, you're actually like kind of the same age as my brother.
	And I was just like, that's icky.
	Thanks.
	So I backed off.
	And like.
	So if you had a twin brother, you're basically screwed over if you date anybody your own age?
	I'd date someone older.
	I'd date someone maybe like a year or so older.
	That's fine.
	But like, why?
	But that's like dating your brother because he's only a year older.
	No.
	Right?
	How would that not be?
	Couldn't you have a brother who was only a year older?
	I mean, yeah, you could have a brother who's only a year older, then date two years older, date three years older, date.
	Yeah, but I mean, but I don't understand why that's necessary.
	Like, why would that be something which is even necessary?
	If you're attracted to a guy who's three years older than you and you have a brother that's three years older than you, who gives a shit?
	Why would that even be problematic?
	I also think that a lot of...
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Let her answer, let her answer.
	Sorry.
	I mean, I don't know why it would be problematic, but like, just for me personally, I felt like it was problematic because like, I don't know, my brother's younger and he's like two years younger, so it just felt weird for me to like Be with someone who was the same age as my little brother.
	I don't know.
	Okay, so I get, I understand, from your personal perspective, it gave you the itch.
	Ginger donated $199.99.
	My husband and I just got married Wednesday, and there is a 27-year age gap.
	We have been together for six years.
	Honestly, nothing is weird about it.
	Both consenting adults.
	Oh, there's a meme.
	Oh, there's such a great meme.
	We gotta pull on that.
	I don't agree with that.
	You're both consenting adults.
	Like, you're free to do what you want to do.
	But, I mean, like, yeah, me personally, I just wouldn't do it because I think it's.
	Let me read.
	And I think that that's fine.
	I think that that's fine, right?
	For you to have that feeling, but I just want to know that whether or not this is just a feeling and it's just the ick, and you actually don't have any compelling reason why people shouldn't do it other than for you personally, it's just kind of icky.
	I think for me personally, it's just kind of icky, but then also I was thinking more of like, you guys were saying like a 10 to 15 year age gap, which I feel like is more acceptable.
	And like, I don't know.
	I was definitely thinking more like a 20-year-old and a 70-year-old?
	Well, I was thinking more someone like my dad's age.
	Yeah, who's like above 75, 75, God, 65.
	Sorry, dad.
	Not that he's going to see this, but I'm willing to engage with that too.
	Why would it actually be a problem if somebody your age was with somebody your dad's age?
	Why would that actually be a problem?
	That would be such an issue for me.
	I would split.
	I would, I wouldn't want to have a stepmom the same age as me.
	I'm good.
	No, okay.
	I get that you find it icky.
	I'm asking, though, how it would actually be problematic.
	I can't, I couldn't hear you.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Why can't you just marry someone your own age?
	I mean, again, because you fell in love with somebody who wasn't your own age.
	That's why.
	But is it actually love or is it just attraction?
	I mean, is that even a concern of yours?
	Does it love require attraction?
	Yeah.
	But, I mean.
	But assuming even that they were just blinking, they were just having sex, right?
	That's all that they were doing with each other.
	What would your objection to that even be?
	I don't know about it.
	I'd prefer to just not know about it.
	Yeah, I know you don't want to know about it, but what would the objection to it be?
	I think, honestly, I think it would be worse off if he was just seeking attraction from her than like actual love.
	I feel like I'd be more supportive if they were actually in love and like had like actual love for each other that I could observe in like a way similar to like, you know, kind of how like my mom and dad have love that I observe.
	You know, like there are things that you observe that make love evident in a relationship.
	I think seeing that would make me more supportive if they were actually, but yeah, they're just blinking.
	That would bother me more.
	Okay.
	I got a couple questions.
	Why?
	Purely just because I think it's just icky.
	And I mean, like, I think that may just go back to me having like sexual assault trauma from my person who did that for me when I was.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm not going to dive into the trauma, right?
	I just wanted to know if the answer was because it's icky.
	I think, A, yeah, just because I think it's icky, and I just don't think it's it's just harder, it's harder for me to view it as real and like genuine, you know?
	The relationship, well, yeah, I mean, like, I, I mean, unless there's like actual, like I was saying, like, you know, how mom and dads clearly show that they love each other and like their children can observe it, and that's how you're supposed to know, like, what a healthy relationship should or shouldn't look like.
	You're supposed to roll out for your kids.
	So, I gotta ask you then on this ick factor, because I think I can grant to you that, I don't know, let's say an age gap of 20 years or more, that's pretty icky, right?
	It's weird.
	It's pretty, well, it's pretty icky, right?
	I think it also just depends on what age people are.
	Because, like, yeah, if it was someone who was like 65 and someone who was like 20 or 19 or 18, I'd be like, yo, what are you doing with someone who's still a teenager?
	Do you know what the group is?
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, real quick.
	If you're of thinking age, are you aware of the group that has the largest age gap relationship is LGBTQ men?
	Oh, yeah.
	Is that is that does that hang on?
	Does that give you the ick?
	It does, because my game is.
	I actually, it does because I've talked to private show.
	Huh?
	Disregard.
	Go ahead.
	Oh.
	I've talked to people who are gay and they've like explained so many like it's mainly a fetish thing.
	I'm not going to go into like all the details.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We don't have to go into details.
	It's a bit of a taboo subject, but I just wanted to make sure that you were consistent and that that also gives you the ick.
	Mainly for that, it's a fetish thing, which is why it's so hard for me to believe genuine attraction.
	I'm just like, are you sure you don't just have a fetish for younger women?
	Yeah, no, I know, I get it.
	I just want to make sure you're consistent that that group is 5%, which is astronomical compared to any other group.
	You do think that that's icky, right?
	Yeah, and the same goes for cougars.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Thank you.
	I got a couple questions here.
	First off, I want to show this meme.
	Nick, if you could pull it up.
	The myth of consensual sex.
	So 30-year-old, I consent to 30-year-old woman.
	She doesn't consent to their consensual relationship.
	The 30-year-old woman has to consent for them to be together.
	I thought that's an interesting meme.
	I do think it is like a, it's almost a romantic warfare.
	Because if women shame men for having this preference towards wanting to date younger women or finding younger women more attractive, it secures their ability to get a mate when they are older.
	But I do think it is this sort of shaming tactic.
	I wonder how you guys would react if, for example, men, large swaths of men, said that women who were attracted to tall men, this is actually evidence of your incestuous fetishization of your fathers because when you were young, your fathers were tall, you looked up at them.
	And for this precise reason, women's attraction towards tall men actually has no evolutionary basis, has nothing to do with tall men are more likely to protect you, et cetera, et cetera.
	But actually that you have incestuous fantasies.
	And it's actually pretty cool.
	And also, and also to add on to this, if you're dating somebody of your own age or around your own age, you must be having incestuous fantasies of your own brothers, right?
	But it's this whole tall thing.
	I mean, I think women, by and large, prefer to date tall men, or at least are attracted to tall men.
	You are incestuous and predatory for seeking out tall men to satisfy your perverse, incestuous fantasies.
	Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
	I mean, yeah, when you say it like that in that instance, yeah.
	Date somebody your own height who makes exactly the same amount of money that you do, works in the same occupational field that you do, drives the same type of car that you do, and has the same type of apartment that you have.
	Okay, all of these different things.
	Essentially, no two people are equally yoked, is what Brian's getting at, right?
	And so this is going to be the case with age.
	It's going to be the case with looks.
	No two people, there's always going to be one partner who's more attractive than the other, right?
	There are some rare instances where they're about the same, but not mostly.
	Most of the time, one of them's at least a little bit better looking than the other one, right?
	So there's just no such thing as really truly being equally yoked that way, right?
	I think you can be equally yoked spiritually, but I'm not sure that you can materially.
	Now, I do have a question going back to you, Macy.
	You seem to.
	McKenda Keith donated $200.
	I believe couples stay together longer if the girl is eight plus years younger than the man.
	My husband's eight years older than myself, and I wouldn't even mind a little bigger age gap.
	Actually, interestingly enough, one of the largest objections to age gap relationships is that 95% of them fail.
	Turns out that this stat is unequivocally false.
	That the UK did a massive study on this where they went through the Department of Statistics and they took every marriage which had ever occurred in the UK and they found no statistical deviation whatsoever between those in a age gap relationship and those not when it came to separation and divorce.
	Interesting.
	Going to Macy, so you had a pretty strong reaction to even when I said if there were like 19, 20, 21 year old women sliding into my DMs, I'm 35.
	You have strong feelings on the age gap stuff.
	You're 21, correct?
	Yes, I am.
	When did you start your OnlyFans?
	I was 19.
	Well, I guess, like, I mean, do you think it's less weird for a 19-year-old to have OnlyFans than for a 19-year-old to date a 31-year-old?
	I mean, you are correct on we're both consenting adults, but like from a personal perspective, I think it's just weird.
	But that's just me personally.
	Well, what about the doing the OnlyFans thing at such an age where, I mean, men even much older than 31 could very well be consuming your content.
	I don't know if you have analytics on who your OnlyFans subscribers are.
	Perhaps you can share.
	I think it ranges from 25-year-olds to 50-year-olds.
	But so then why is it okay, for example, for a 19-year-old woman to be distributing pornographic photos to these men, but she can't have like a loving, monogamous relationship with an older man?
	I mean, you totally can have one.
	Right, but it gives you the ick.
	For me, it's just like a personal thing.
	Like, I don't understand why.
	Why what?
	A young woman would date an older man?
	Or the rest of the world?
	It sounds.
	Well, I think I understand where you're coming from.
	Let me see if I can make sure I can make sense of it.
	You're saying the reason it gives you the ick is because you think it's a fetishization of older men with younger women, right?
	Wouldn't you say that a woman who's anomalously is an anomaly and is like six foot ten, that most of the people who subscribe to her OnlyFans are going to be doing it out of a fetish?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And that doesn't give you the ick?
	It does, but I'm getting paid for it, so I don't even care.
	So in this particular case, if the younger woman is with this man based on resources, isn't that like she's getting paid for it?
	Yeah, and I support that.
	Yeah, I support that, right?
	Oh, I have a follow-up question on this.
	No, would you have any issue with a woman who is prostituting herself to a man, like actual prostitution?
	So sex for money.
	She's 19, he's 35.
	She's getting money, right?
	Yeah, that is where you kind of cross a line.
	Well, it's sex work, right?
	But it's illegal.
	Well, assuming it's legal, let's say this is in Nevada, where it is legal in some places.
	She lives in Nevada.
	She's not a prostitute, though, though.
	I'm affirming that it is correct.
	And I'm not a prostitute.
	It's only some.
	It's only some places.
	Let's say it's illegal.
	In Germany, right?
	You're from Germany.
	I believe in Germany, prostitution is legal.
	Right?
	Red light districts, etc.
	Assuming it's illegal, any objections?
	Or illegal, excuse me?
	I guess not.
	Like, I don't know.
	Okay.
	If you are, if you're above 18, you're technically an adult, so you can do whatever you want.
	But it's just a personal thing.
	But isn't it basically what you?
	Yes, but let us remember, though, that money cancels ick, right?
	Money cancels ick.
	Money cancels ick.
	The formulas.
	Yeah, so the formula here is ick unless money, X amount of money, no more ick.
	Is that correct?
	That's facts.
	Yeah.
	I understand where you're coming from.
	It's like the money to ick ratio.
	I don't know exactly what it would be.
	Is it like $10,000 per disgust point?
	Like, I don't know exactly what it is.
	Maybe there is no delineation point, but it does seem that X amount of money cancels X amount of ick.
	Lol Paladin says, if I give money to Brixon, is he taking advantage of me for my resources, or am I taking advantage of him for his resources?
	What?
	What does that even mean?
	I don't know.
	He does have another chat here.
	Shocking that the woman, who only cares about the superficial, stuck in a situation ship and dating a man who won't commit to her, now cares only about what's inside a person, must only apply to women.
	I think this is directed at you.
	Do you want to say something back to Lol Paladins?
	Lol Paladins?
	I mean, I just don't understand.
	I don't only care about things that are superficial.
	I feel like I've been sitting here the whole time talking about how you should look into people's trauma and see why they are the way they are.
	But I know.
	Wait, guys should look into a woman's trauma?
	Well, I mean, like, not like look into it, obviously, but like you should watch.
	Can you just keep it like bottled away?
	That sounded really bad.
	Wait.
	You said or what I said.
	No, what I said, in like a way of like, oh, yeah, therapist, let's assess your trauma.
	But like, if she brings up something that's like hard for her to deal with, I totally just lost my train of thought.
	I know what you're about to say.
	You were about to say she just shouldn't bring it up.
	No, that's actually not what I was going to say.
	I'm pretty sure that's what you're going to say.
	No, because there have been plenty of times where I haven't had a relationship.
	Just don't tell me anything.
	Oh, I'd cry.
	You'd cry.
	I'd cry too.
	No, there were plenty of times where I've.
	Don't you not want to be married?
	Pretty much, yeah.
	Although, who knows?
	Maybe if I, who knows what my future holds.
	Oh, you've changed.
	You've flown.
	No, I'm still pretty strong on this, but you never know.
	Maybe Andrew, Andrew proselytizes me or something, and then I'll become an Orthodox Christian.
	And then there you go.
	Or, you know, maybe I meet a nice.
	Wait, no.
	Don't become a don't become a Christian or an Orthodox Christian.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay, let's not go there.
	Okay.
	Andrew's going to debate with you for two hours on the show.
	Is Andrew an Orthodox Christian?
	Andrew is a based GigaChad Orthodox Christian.
	Okay, I don't know what the rest of those first few words are.
	That's totally fine.
	Speaking of which, Lol Paladins is back.
	Look into your trauma.
	Woman, you literally said you broke up with the dude because he tried to pry too much into your past and get you to open up.
	Imagine, bitch.
	That's fire.
	Wait, old man Maureen, my mom, 17, dad, 85.
	Does that give you the ick?
	Been married for almost 50 years, still have the ick.
	She married at 20 when he was 35, and they met when she was 18.
	Does it give you the ick?
	Show of hands if it gives you the ick.
	Nobody?
	Well, how much money does he make?
	There you go.
	That's very good.
	That's true.
	I don't know that.
	I don't care.
	I just feel like I'm not, I don't comment on other people's relationships.
	Like, I'm not going to.
	We'll give you a pass for the show.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you, Brian.
	One question.
	Okay, how about this?
	Would you rather see a woman going from fuckboy to fuck boy to fuck boy who's her age, her age, maybe one year older, Max, just never getting commitment.
	She's jaded.
	These guys don't commit.
	They're players.
	They're fuckboys, right?
	Or would you rather see her in a loving, safe, healthy, monogamous relationship, long-term relationship?
	She's 20, he's 33.
	Which do you prefer to see?
	The healthy relationship.
	You have a healthy relationship.
	Healthy relationship.
	The healthy relationship.
	Healthy.
	Okay.
	We do have to move on from the age gap discussion, but it was a wonderful one.
	Yeah, we'll do Twitch really quick.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drops a follow-dubs prime sub if you have one.
	Boys, it's been 33 minutes since we last had a prime.
	Can you please, I think it's bugged.
	Can you guys, by the way, thank you for getting us to 80,000 followers.
	What was going on with the followers earlier?
	That was crazy.
	I want to see if it happens again, though.
	Okay, guys, drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
	Yo, Mo Andrew, thank you for the prime.
	Artist, thank you for the prime 33 minutes ago.
	Boys, drop us a follow in a prime sub if you have one.
	I have no idea what was going on before.
	I'm pretty sure like somebody just like bought us like fake followers or some shit.
	I don't know.
	I think that's something you can do, but yeah, you can get bothered.
	I don't know why somebody would do it for you.
	I don't know, whatever.
	Yo, G Square, thank you for the Prime.
	Appreciate it.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow jobs a prime.
	Okay.
	So, need to get back to my appreciation notes.
	I think we're pretty close to getting through most of them.
	We had Aaliyah?
	Durin, thank you for the gifted five.
	You said, you think it's hypocritical for a man or woman that has a high body count to want someone who is a virgin or low body count, especially if they demand sex early in the relationship and if they are judging people who do have high body counts.
	Yeah.
	So me, basically.
	Oh.
	Although I've never revealed my body count.
	I'm a virgin.
	Okay, just kidding.
	But.
	Born again.
	Yeah.
	So you think, for example, let's say a guy has a body count of 10.
	Is it hypocritical for him to want a woman who's a virgin or low body count?
	I mean, not if he's willing to wait.
	What if she's not willing to wait?
	She just wants to lose it.
	I mean, then.
	Why is she, why did she hold it off for so long and then, I don't know.
	He's the right guy.
	Sorry.
	He's the right guy.
	We have three virgins here at the two virgins.
	Never mind.
	I don't even know.
	I think you guys.
	Have you guys been lying the whole time?
	Somebody's going to sit back in the...
	Where's my staff?
	They're just back there.
	Once played, clash boy out.
	So wrong, though, for the guy with a high body count to want a woman with a low body count or virgin?
	I just think, well, I said it's wrong if he's judging.
	Like, if he's judging a woman because...
	Wait, hang on.
	I'm sorry.
	Sorry to cut in.
	I just caught something that Brian just said.
	Did you claim that there's women on this panel who claim that they're virgins?
	Yeah, so her and her, the girl in the black and the girl in the white, right?
	Why are you laughing?
	All right.
	All right.
	We get back to the conversation.
	Well, I thought it was.
	I kind of believe them, but it's a little dubious.
	I'm not sure I believe them.
	That's so funny.
	I definitely believe the other Sophia.
	Which one?
	The other Sophia.
	I believe it.
	Black.
	I believe it.
	I don't know.
	They came off the streets.
	You have to believe everything we say.
	Anyways, anyways.
	Can I say something to your thing to her?
	I think men, so women want men with experience and men want women with purity.
	Facts.
	That's a good take.
	It's true.
	That's facts.
	You can't argue with facts.
	Can't argue with facts.
	I mean, so I guess I'm just trying to hear out your argument here before I can respond.
	Okay.
	Well, it's only, I just feel like it's hypocritical.
	Okay, say it to me again.
	I'm sorry.
	Say it one more time.
	Well, no, this is...
	I know.
	Just say what I said.
	So a man who has a high body count to want someone who is a virgin or low body count?
	Well, I must have worded that wrong.
	What I'm saying is I think it's hypocritical of a man to judge a woman with a high body count if he has a high body count as well, and then he expects her to have sex with him, like when they first meet.
	But he's judging her.
	Well, so, okay, here's what you wrote.
	You said, I think it's hypocritical for a man or woman that has a high body count to want someone who is a virgin or low body count, especially, this is the qualifier, especially if they demand sex early in the relationship and if they are judging people who do have high body counts.
	But I mean, even if we remove the qualifier, you still think it's hypocritical even if the man is not demanding sex early in the relationship or if they're judging.
	It's just with the qualifier.
	Okay, so fine.
	We'll include the qualifier.
	Especially if they demand sex early in the relationship.
	Well, even a low body count woman could have sex early in a relationship, right?
	She could, yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, when you say judging people, so for example, like he would, he's judging her insofar as he would not date her because of her body count?
	Um, I think it kind of what I was getting with that is going back to that relationship I had where he judged me for my body count and he was a virgin.
	Uh-oh.
	But I don't, I don't know.
	Well, it's a little different, but I know it's so I'll just open up to the panel.
	Do you think that if a guy has a really high body count, let's say he has a body count of 100 and he wants a girl with like sub-5, sub-10 body count, or even a virgin, do you think that that's hypocritical?
	And if you want, just show of hands, is it hypocritical?
	Hypocritical.
	If he's judging her for it.
	Okay, if he's judging her about it.
	This is what I'm trying to say.
	If he's judging women with higher body counts, but he has a high body count himself, I think that is hypocritical.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I think it's hypocritical regardless, but him judging her makes it wrong.
	Yeah.
	Well, okay, so what would the judgment be?
	So the judgment is I have a high body count.
	She has a high body count.
	I know that women with high body count, with high body counts, are not the type of woman I'd want to date because they're promiscuous.
	It's the sticky note.
	Is that the judgment or is the or is the judgment like she's a fucking whore?
	She's a fucking skank, blah, blah, is that what you're talking about?
	Pretty much, yeah.
	Okay, so, but is it still hypocritical absent that sort of judgment?
	If the judgment is just, I believe in my heart of hearts that women who have a promiscuous past or who are currently promiscuous do not make for good partners, is that a judgment?
	No.
	I think it's a judgment, but it's a judgment.
	I mean, if your body count is high as well, it's not misty.
	I don't think it's wrong.
	It's just your personal preference.
	Okay, well, I don't want to linger too long on this, but I'll just say that.
	Can I ask you again just to repeat real quick?
	Where's the actual hypocrisy?
	Because you're judging someone with the same number of body count that you have.
	Yeah, why would that be hypocritical?
	Because you're making them feel like they're less than you because you guys share the same.
	You just tell them your judgment if you don't.
	Yeah, so let me give you an example of this.
	I smoke cigarettes.
	If my daughter comes to me and says she wants to smoke cigarettes and I tell her she shouldn't, am I a hypocrite?
	No.
	No.
	So can I have a moment?
	So if I engage in an activity and then have a preference against that same activity from somebody else, how exactly would that even make me a hypocrite?
	So let's say, for instance, I banged 800 chicks and you banged 800 dudes.
	Let's just say in this hypothetical that was the case, but I prefer to date women who haven't banged 800 dudes.
	How would that actually make you a hypocrite?
	The judgment, like the outright judgment, is what makes the person the hypocrite.
	You can have a preference.
	If you think that it's worse for women than men, let's say.
	If you think it's worse reputationally for women, you think it does more damage to them than it does men, right?
	If you don't think that men and women are interchangeable widgets, then why is it that it would be hypocritical to say, well, this does less damage to me than it does for you, so my preference is against that?
	I'm not actually sure that that's hypocrisy.
	Maybe it's not then.
	I don't know.
	That's just The whole, just keep going back to the judgment part, that outright judgment.
	You can have a preference.
	Okay, if you were a serial killer and you judged other serial killers as bad, you said that what you're doing over there is bad, right?
	Even though I'm doing the same exact thing that you're doing, aren't you just making an argument from hypocrisy?
	You're just saying, but what about you, though?
	He could still be right that what you're doing is bad, couldn't he?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I don't really know, even if it was, let's say, hypocritical in this case, why would that even be a problem?
	It's like I keep saying, it's the judgment.
	Hypocrites give you the ick?
	No, it's the judgment part.
	Yeah, but what's wrong with the judgment part?
	It's the belittling part of it.
	Like, what's wrong with that?
	There's a difference between having a preference and figuring out, okay, someone has a higher body count than me.
	Okay, I don't want to be with them.
	Okay, that's fine.
	But if you're outright going, like, oh, you're a fucking whore, then yeah, like, that's hypocrite.
	That's wrong.
	Especially if you have a high body count yourself.
	Okay, so I'm not sure how you can say that being a hypocrite's even wrong.
	What's the standard for saying that a hypocrite is wrong other than you just don't like it?
	I guess I just don't like it.
	Right, you just don't like it.
	So hypocrites give you the ick.
	Hypocrites?
	Let me ask you this too.
	Is basically everything that you think is bad or immoral or that you don't like just shit that gives you the ick?
	Is it just stuff you find icky?
	No.
	No?
	I'll say one thing on this, I guess, question.
	So in order for you to want to be with someone, in order for you to want to be with someone, need you possess all the traits that they too possess.
	I mean, you don't have to.
	Right, but so.
	Sorry, you don't have to, not to interrupt you, but didn't we kind of already get into this back at the whole like tradition standpoint when we were talking about well a little bit, but it is somewhat different here.
	But so in order for you to desire a trait in a partner, need you also have the trait?
	No.
	No.
	Right.
	But body count is different.
	How is body count matter?
	It is.
	Well, hold up.
	So, for example, I think one, men and women want different things.
	Men and women prioritize different things.
	They prioritize different traits.
	Would you then object or find it hypocritical for a woman who's broke to find a billionaire attractive?
	I mean, I guess you could say that since she doesn't, since she's not.
	But is it wrong for a woman who's dead broke to find rich men attractive or want to date a man who's rich?
	Is it hypocritical?
	I mean, it could be since she doesn't possess the same financial situation.
	Okay.
	A woman may find a famous professional athlete, actor, musician attractive, but they may not be a pro-athlete, actor, musician themselves.
	Is she hypocritical for finding men with status, athletes, actors, musicians?
	Is it hypocritical for her to desire to be with such a man?
	Okay, what about funny?
	A lot of women funny is at the top of the list for a lot of women.
	It's not clear to me if they're funny themselves.
	So, I'm not saying what I'm saying is this woman in particular.
	I'm saying the woman in particular.
	I'm not saying women aren't funny.
	That's what Andrew says.
	I make myself laugh.
	But so, is it hypocritical for a woman who's not funny herself to find men who are funny attractive?
	No, but it's that's like a trait.
	Body count is like something physical, it's a physical okay.
	So, is it hypocritical then for short women to find tall men attractive?
	I think it's just your preference, your type, what you like about that's right.
	The men got a preference for women with a low body count, yeah, even if they're man-hoes themselves.
	Don't shoot the messenger, yeah, because they won't, they're more likely to not take funny opens up the same day.
	Critical, though, yeah, yeah.
	Now, let me um, let me let me ask this kind of last uh segue here.
	Um, so from your perspective, if the hypocritical part is that if a man slept with 500 women, you slept with 500 men, and he's judging you for that, you think that that is hypocritical is the judgmental part, correct?
	Yes, okay, but what if he says it's fine for you to judge me by the same standard, I'm judging you?
	Is that no longer hypocritical, right?
	Right, yeah, okay.
	So, if that is true, and they're willing to be judged by the same standard that they're judging you, but society happens to judge them for it in a totally different way, and you just don't like how they're being judged differently than you, how would that actually make them a hypocrite?
	Wait, repeat that again.
	So, here, let's do, let's uh, let's give an example.
	Guy goes up to a room and he bangs five chicks in one night, and he walks out, and his buddies are around, and they're like, Hey, bro, high five, right?
	Woman does the same thing, and they come out, and they're like, Oh, God, what a skank, right?
	You would agree that this is probably a much more common occurrence than people want to admit, right?
	But here's the thing that's interesting: even women judge those men by that different standard than they judge other women.
	So, if the men are saying, Okay, you can judge me by the same exact standard, then I'm judging you.
	It's just that people really don't like it, men or women, when you do it, and don't care so much when I do it.
	How would that actually make them a hypocrite?
	That's true.
	I mean, I guess if you're judging each other both in the same way and at the same level, then yeah, it's not hypocritical, but I think it's not fair, right?
	It's not that it's not fair, I think it's just a bit hypocritical to judge someone's same actions.
	Oh, no, no, no, you're judging you're but you can be judged by the same standard, just so happens that when the standard is applied to you, people judge you less harshly for it.
	How would that be hypocritical and they just judge me?
	Okay, wait, thank you, thanks, Ryan.
	Okay, you want me to move it on?
	No, I think I get what you're saying.
	I'm just like a little confused on the wording.
	I don't know, maybe I'm just misinterpreting interpreting things.
	Okay, so let's put it this way.
	If you call a woman a whore, that's offensive to women, right?
	Yeah, that's a harsh negative judgment.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	If you call a man a whore, he goes, Yeah, so what?
	Right?
	He goes, Yeah, so what?
	Now you're judging him by the same exact standard he's judging you.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	You're judging him by the same standard he's judging you.
	He just doesn't give a shit, right?
	So how would he be a hypocrite?
	He's using the same standard you're using.
	Yeah.
	He just doesn't give a shit about your standard, right?
	Yeah, okay.
	And again, my answer is it wouldn't be if you're judging each other at the same level.
	Yeah.
	And in the same way, yeah.
	Right.
	So that wouldn't be hypocrisy then.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So, cool.
	That's we're in agreement.
	I'll move it on unless, Andrew, did you want to add more?
	No, no, no.
	Okay.
	Before I get into the next thing, Andrew, Andrew was a very handsome man when he was younger.
	I want to bring it back to age gap dating really quick, though.
	Maybe, you know, Andrew, he's older now, but would you guys date him when he was in his prime?
	Yeah, let's see if I can.
	I love the picture.
	By the way, Twitch.tv.
	What the fuck?
	They're like.
	Where did that come from?
	Why does he look like my brother?
	Wait, why is that even there?
	Wait, what?
	What?
	Were you just like yanking it to fucking him back there or what?
	My brother.
	Why was he pulled up, bro?
	Because he looks just like him.
	Oh, like Andrew.
	Okay, pull up, Andrews.
	Pull up, Andrews.
	Does Andrew look like him?
	Oh, he acts like how to see it.
	So, Andrew, how old were you here?
	Yeah, I think.
	I think I was 19.
	19.
	19.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Going around the table, would you date Andrew Wilson?
	Starting with you, mate.
	You mean 19-year-old Andrew Wilson?
	Yeah, 19-year-old.
	Okay, what about you?
	Just based off looks?
	Just off looks.
	Like, don't disregard his feminist personality.
	No, I'm sorry, Andrew.
	Light that cigarette up and light it up.
	No?
	What about you?
	I mean, I had way hotter chicks than you.
	Oh, that doesn't hurt my feelings.
	I'm really glad.
	By the way, Andrew, did you see me?
	Did you see me back then?
	I mean, come on.
	I was way out of your league.
	Yeah, when you were in your prime, I believe you were.
	Way out of your league.
	We weren't even in the same age.
	By the way, Andrew, somebody sent earlier on, somebody sent in a TTS asking if the girls would date me, and they were all brutal.
	They were all brutal.
	So you can excoriate all the girls.
	I have no problem whatsoever.
	Go ahead.
	Would you date young Andrew Wilson?
	Pull the picture back up.
	Yeah, one more time, baby.
	She needs it fresh.
	She needs it fresh.
	Okay, yeah.
	Oh, shit.
	W, Andrew.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wait, say that one more time?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, what about you?
	No.
	Is it because he's white?
	No.
	Oh, come on.
	Back then, back then, I would have been like, who's this dorky chick with these Coke bottle glasses?
	Get her out of here.
	Get this chick out of here.
	A friend of mine would have come over and been like, this is my friend, you know, Tanya or whatever.
	And I'd have been like, get this chick away from me.
	What are you doing?
	What are you doing?
	But then look at you.
	It looks like she's wearing my mom's glasses.
	What are you doing?
	What's that?
	Look at you now.
	Oh, boy.
	Are you waiting for me?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I thought you were going to point me out.
	In high school, yes, I would, but probably not.
	Not in my age now.
	Or my type now.
	Yeah, the redheads always did adore me.
	Oh, that's fair.
	That's fair.
	What about you?
	I would only say no because you remind me of my brother.
	You kind of really look like my brother in that picture.
	I know.
	So then I'd be like, I'm just not attracted to my brother.
	Andrew, do you have anything more to say to this girl in the corner over here?
	You have anything else?
	Why?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You mean the Urkel chick over there?
	I don't know where does this self-esteem come from.
	In that picture, right?
	It was soon after high school.
	I would have passed a girl like you by in the hallway and just scoffed at you.
	You weren't in my league?
	What are you thinking?
	Look at you.
	And that's a picture of me.
	Look at you, Andrew.
	Why does Andrew insult the women who said no?
	Why are you getting so dark?
	Why are you the need to give and pass such harsh judgments towards the women?
	Why did they have to pass such harsh judgment on my 1920s?
	They just said no.
	They just said no.
	That's dietic.
	That guy in that picture is very sensitive.
	Andrew, this is why you're not married.
	He's very natural beauty.
	Yeah, he is.
	He's a very sensitive young man.
	Yeah, he is married.
	Shit.
	You can be very straight.
	All right, that was pretty good.
	Bring the wife in.
	What about you?
	At the age that I am now, no.
	Too young.
	What about when you were younger?
	Were you gone for him?
	Yeah.
	Probably, but then I would have broken up by now.
	Into the mic.
	Yeah, probably, but I would have broken up by no.
	Why?
	Because he looked the way he looked.
	No, because of the way he looks now.
	Oh, back then.
	Yeah.
	I think that's fair.
	Brutal.
	Morgan, what's up?
	But you would have been S.O.L. because I didn't date big girls, so you would have been S.O.L. She's not big.
	Okay, whoa.
	I think he's attracted, but I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	I don't know.
	If I wasn't taken, yes.
	Now I want to throw my hat into the ring here.
	I found, oh my God, I'm not going to do it for less than a champagne pop.
	I found a video of me at 22.
	This is like 2012.
	Shirtless.
	Oh, poor.
	Posing into a 480p webcam in my fucking small ass bedroom with my karate belts hanging in the back.
	No, can we see it?
	I'm only fucking doing it for a champagne pop.
	I will only play this video for a champagne pop.
	Please, someone give that champion.
	No one has a champagne pop.
	But it's me flexing.
	Well, I can match it.
	So if there's five champagne pops, I found an old video of me the other day at that same age where I was playing the guitar and roasting my sister.
	And it's fucking hilarious.
	So I'll see that and match it.
	I think five champagne is.
	What about one champagne pop for my?
	Oh, no.
	No way I'm releasing that for less than five.
	Five champagne pops.
	Okay.
	All right.
	But yeah, it's a video.
	I'm cringing.
	I'm like cringy flexing into a webcam that's 480p.
	Yeah, anyways.
	Is it on standby?
	I have it.
	Is it pre-marked?
	Pretty much, it's ready to go, pretty much.
	Man, come on.
	Come on, people.
	So, champagne pop.
	Anyways, moving on here a little bit.
	We need to.
	Oh, okay.
	I think.
	Oh, you said if women want the right to vote, then they must be in a mandatory draft.
	No.
	I agree.
	That's fair.
	No.
	Oh, wait.
	Fuck.
	You agree?
	I mean, for the sake of equality, I think that would be fair.
	Women should have to be drafted.
	Well, traditionally, isn't that why women weren't able to vote?
	Well, that's how men got the right to vote.
	Right, because they were drafted.
	Essentially, I mean, there's a lot of components, but to simplify it, it's like a main driver.
	That's main driver.
	Main driver.
	Anyways, we won't linger on that one.
	And then going to Sophia, you are a financial analyst and a magician's assistant.
	Are there any videos of you being a magician's assistant?
	We should pull this shit up because your boyfriend is a magician.
	Oh, wait, that's awesome.
	My fiancé's a professional.
	Can you show us a magic trick or is that more so the purview of your boyfriend?
	He's like, poof, you're taken.
	What kind of magician is he?
	Street magician, stage magician?
	He has his own show in South Lake Tahoe, so come see us.
	Alex Ramon Magic Show.
	He performs at Harvey's Lake Tahoe.
	Do you have videos of you?
	Find that shit, Nick.
	Yeah, let's see.
	Find that shit.
	Let's cut her in half right now.
	Has he been on Penn and Teller?
	Yes, he actually won the show.
	Are you kidding?
	I love that.
	Well, explain this magic trick then.
	You see this Eminem rapper?
	Go.
	Ready?
	Whoa.
	Oh, wow.
	Beautiful.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	That might have been amazing.
	You know, those off-camera.
	You want to pretend like you asked to make my dick go soft.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't know why I pressed that one, but okay.
	So you said, are we finding the video?
	You said how women are setting themselves up to be single, how women can sabotage their own relationships, how feminism has ruined unions between women and men.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to elaborate on all three of those?
	Sure.
	Okay, let's start with this first one here.
	Women are setting themselves up to be single.
	I believe that feminism is feeding women a lie.
	It's leading them down a path of loneliness.
	I don't see how a man would want you if you inherently believe that they're dangerous and they can't offer you anything.
	So under that guise, how can you possibly expect somebody to want to commit to you?
	Doesn't make sense to me.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Moving on.
	My next statement.
	You also wrote: Modern dating is trash.
	Hookup culture is the epitome of instant gratification and slowly chips away at especially women's self-worth.
	I believe women pretend to be things to look attractive to men, then get the attention they seek, so their behavior gets more and more extreme.
	They're being tossed around and used.
	We wonder why depression is at an all-time high.
	Hit it on the nail.
	Okay, this is an easy panel.
	I was not expecting this tonight.
	Okay, and then I guess the other thing, you tend to agree with Brian on most things, except his stance on marriage.
	I believe marriage is important and look forward to getting married.
	Yeah, and I'm surprised you flipped your stance, it sounds like.
	Oh, no, I'm still against marriage.
	Okay.
	But I'm saying, I could also become a stage magician in the future.
	If you know anyone, you could find your way back.
	Actually, I wanted to be a magician when I was younger.
	That's fun.
	Should have followed your dream.
	Never happened.
	Why didn't you?
	I didn't have the dexterity for the card stuff.
	Oh, it's rough.
	Or window with your hands to see through.
	That's a big problem.
	It was very difficult.
	It was a hard time for me.
	So the marriage stuff?
	I mean, do you want to make it?
	How about this?
	I've already laid out my arguments plenty of times.
	Why don't you give me a compelling reason why I or other men who are marriage hesitant should get married?
	Let me answer your question with a question.
	Do you want children?
	Let me answer your question with an immediate rebuttal.
	You don't need to be married to have children.
	Well, that's correct.
	Thinking about the well-being of your child and setting them up for the most success, that's why I'm asking the question.
	So, do you believe in a partner for life and just not getting married?
	Yeah, you can be in a monogamous long-term relationship for the entire duration of your life and have children.
	I fail to see how it would set them up better if you're married, especially given the divorce rate and divorce seems to have a very negative impact on children.
	So, what about a prenup?
	Do you believe that?
	about it.
	I mean, you could have a prenup.
	So when you, what does that have to do with anything?
	I mean, if you prenub, still doesn't undo the damage that a divorce has done to a child.
	That's true.
	I think that's what he was talking about.
	I'm going.
	Keep going.
	What else?
	Okay.
	So, sure, I want kids.
	Go ahead.
	So, would you be in a long-term relationship?
	No, This is her time.
	This is her time.
	Sorry that we're wrong, girl.
	Her time.
	I'd be like, I think you smell the smoke.
	I mean, in my opinion, a woman is going to seek marriage because she wants the security that it offers.
	It certainly sets a boundary around the relationship.
	Yeah, that's what the woman wants.
	Correct.
	I asked you, why should a man get married?
	Because a marriage.
	For the benefit of the woman.
	Right, that's what the woman wants and requires.
	I'm selfish.
	Okay, then.
	Actually, I'm not even selfish.
	Hold on, that's a poor argument.
	What's the benefit towards the man?
	You get a committed woman, but if you're not.
	I can get a committed woman without marriage.
	Then you don't need to get married, then great.
	That's fine for you.
	Come on, you need to make a stronger argument than that if you're going to convince me that marriage is good.
	I mean, if you can find a woman who is perfectly okay with not getting married and having your children, then I'm happy for you.
	Me personally speaking, I would not be okay with that.
	And I believe that a lot of women, might I say high-value women, would not be okay with such an arrangement.
	Because the woman is risking more in that exchange.
	How is she risking more?
	Well, if she is having a baby, now she's sacrificing her body potentially.
	If she has a career and a source of income, she's now going to, hopefully, quit that and become a full-time mother.
	So she relies on the father to provide the source of income.
	So that's why she's.
	Oh, no.
	No, she had to not go to work every day.
	Oh, it's terrible.
	It's a super high risk that she has to stay at home and not go to work every day.
	I agree with you.
	No, earlier on this podcast, I was saying how I could have been the perfect poster child for feminism because I have proven to be independent.
	I bought my own home.
	I can provide for myself.
	And I absolutely hate having a job.
	I tell my fiancé all the time, like, when can I quit my job and fold your laundry?
	Like, I would love to do that every day.
	So I agree with you.
	It's a really good deal to be married.
	It sure seems to be.
	I don't know why, if you're saying it's a good deal, though, why you think that women would demand that they be married in order to get this deal.
	Somebody gave them the same deal and they weren't married.
	From a secularist perspective, why should they get married?
	I think the marriage just provides the security that is going to be provided to them.
	Okay, so then let's see if we test this, if this is true.
	Let's say the man says, okay, I'll get married to if you sign a pre-nub that says no matter why we get divorced, I get to keep everything that I bring into the marriage.
	And so do you.
	Would you sign that?
	I think that certainly puts a boundary around the woman's behavior and motivates her to behave in a certain way in the marriage and make sure that the marriage doesn't deteriorate.
	So I think that's a good motivation.
	Yeah, great.
	So then if that is the case, then you could definitely have that exact same relationship absent marriage, right?
	I see what you're saying.
	I personally would not be comfortable with it.
	Why not?
	I believe that man and woman is supposed to get married.
	I mean, you got married yourself, right?
	Yeah, I'm religious.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Are you religious?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So then that would, I can understand, and Brian also argues this as well.
	He understands why there would be motivation for religious people to get married.
	But what I don't understand is why there's any motivation for a secularist to get married.
	I don't actually understand that.
	Because you can have all of those same exact things absent the marriage.
	So I don't even understand what the point is.
	I agree.
	Because I think a marriage is also a contract with God.
	Wait, if I can actually jump in on this also, even the objections that I raise as to the negatives of marriage, these also apply to religious men, too.
	Yeah.
	Unless they get a covenant marriage.
	So you can have a covenant marriage and not involve the state.
	Right.
	And then it's not nearly so egregious.
	But assuming, even then, for a second, that you do involve the state, at least I understand that motivation because you're filling out your teleology.
	So you're like you said, you said your purpose is to get married, right?
	So that's part of your telos or what you consider your purpose to be.
	So that's part of your religion.
	I get that.
	I understand that motivation.
	Makes total sense to me.
	What I don't understand, though, is from a secularist perspective, non-religious perspective, what motivation they could possibly have for it because it just doesn't seem like they're like what would there actually be?
	Yeah, no, I understand why you're asking that question, especially with divorce and the way that that goes over for men.
	They get the shorter end of the stick, almost guaranteed.
	So I understand why men don't want to get married.
	I do.
	Yeah, well, do you do you could you give a single argument then from Brian's perspective who's not religious why you should actually get married?
	Hmm.
	I don't think I can.
	Why shouldn't Brian be able to have his cake and eat it too?
	If he can find a woman who's okay with that truly, who would be honest and wouldn't hold resentment, then that's great.
	Yeah, but I mean, you run that same risk even if you're married.
	That a woman could be being dishonest and holding resentment.
	Like that, these are not exclusive to secularists nor Christians nor Muslims nor whoever, right?
	Whoever gets married, this is still a possibility.
	Yeah, but I'm speaking specifically to the idea that the woman, her own moral, she's not okay with a relationship that's not in a marriage, but yet she agrees to it and she allows herself to be in that relationship.
	And so the resentment is harbored from the lack of legality of the marriage is what I'm specifically talking to.
	But yes, resentment can I don't even know what perks you would get from the legality purpose at this point.
	What, like a couple of tax perks?
	Tax write-off?
	Yeah.
	You know, some earned income child credits, maybe.
	It doesn't seem like it's worth it.
	So I really, like, I've tried to rationalize this.
	How do you convince a guy like Brian from a Christian perspective that they should get married?
	And I do have good arguments for this, but the women on these panels never do.
	They never have any because they only think of it from the perspective of self, which is, oh, it's to protect the woman.
	It's to do good by the woman.
	Everything's for the woman.
	It's from the perspective of the child, too, though.
	And so if your child asks you, mom, why didn't you ever marry dad, you have to be prepared to answer that.
	And I would assume that a child would want their parents to have a union that's sacred.
	Yeah, but why, I mean, again, that's from a religious perspective because you use the word sacred, right?
	Secularists don't believe in sacred nothing.
	So if there's just saying, mommy and daddy love each other, and there's these little chemicals in our brains that make us love each other because that's the way that we're constructed, and we love you too, because there's chemicals in our brain that make us love you too, and we're going to stay together forever and ever.
	And that seems to work from a monogamous standpoint.
	I don't actually know why they would ever want to take the risk of getting the state involved in getting married.
	I don't actually understand why they would do that.
	It seems like the dumbest decision possible.
	W's in the chat.
	Don't get married, boys.
	I agree with him.
	I don't want to get married.
	W Macy's in the chat.
	I just need you to know, though, that I have an ulterior motive for this.
	And I don't know if I'm going to go to hell for it or not.
	I sure hope I don't.
	But my ulterior motive is I want all secularists to end up being genetic dead ends and not to breed so that the religious take over.
	That's ultimately, I would prefer that.
	So if I can give all secularists motivation to not have a healthy, happy marriage and to instead just embrace complete and total selfishness, I actually would prefer that for society.
	I think that the ends of that would be better.
	Well, nice.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Anyways, I think that's it for all the pre-show notes.
	We're going to get into a couple more things here.
	Nick, were there any reacts we had to do?
	No, we went over that.
	All right.
	Well, look, I found a new one from the I think we need Macy and you to stand up one more time just so because Andrew wasn't here.
	He needs to see this.
	I'll say it up first this time.
	Okay.
	Good evening.
	I'm standing as tall as I can.
	Oh, chair.
	No comment?
	Nice.
	I think you got to hit that cricket button one more time.
	All right, cool.
	She's taller than you, Andrew.
	What do you think of that?
	I mean, it happens.
	It happens.
	It happens.
	So I do want to just show of hands.
	I mean, we kind of did this again, but I want to get into a bit more detail here.
	Who's a feminist?
	Show of hands.
	I guess.
	By Andrew's definition that he provided earlier.
	Now suddenly nobody's a feminist.
	They're not feminists anymore.
	Can you pull out the Google definition?
	I guess.
	I guess we could do that.
	While we do that, just going around the table, what do you think of – or what do you think of – oh, my God.
	Okay, so the Google said the definition, the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of equality of the sexes.
	So an entailment of equality of the sexes is going to be rejection of patriarchy, otherwise you can't be equal, right?
	You agree that that's true?
	So then my definition was absolutely correct, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Perfect.
	Let's see.
	So going around the table, I'll just ask my stack.
	Who is the primary victim of war, men or women?
	War?
	Yeah, who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	Men.
	Men.
	Men?
	I think both.
	Both?
	Men.
	Equally.
	Men.
	Equally.
	Men.
	Did the German girl say equally?
	Okay.
	So why and why, for those of you who said equally?
	I think everyone suffers from war, right?
	Like there's, yeah, there are more fatalities within men, but suffrage is different, right?
	Everyone suffers, so equally they both suffer.
	Are there different degrees of suffering?
	Like somebody who stubs their toe, for example, suffers less than somebody who loses a family member.
	Would you agree with that statement?
	Sorry, could you repeat that one more time?
	You're saying that.
	What?
	Repeat that one more time.
	You said.
	Okay, somebody who stubs their toe, they bang their toe on a corner versus somebody who loses a family member.
	Which is worse.
	Is the suffering worse?
	Obviously, the person who lost a family member is worse.
	Are you saying, like, between men and women, whose suffering is worse?
	Because men, for example, and then women, for example?
	Well, I mean, you said everybody suffers, therefore it's equal.
	But granting that women will suffer in war, is the suffering equal to the suffering of men?
	Knowing what you know about the women's men.
	Obviously, they're different, right?
	But the way that women have to suffer, they lose a son, they lose a brother, they lose a dad, that suffering, you can't compare the two, but that suffering, you can't say that that suffering is less than men suffering because they're dying in war or they're getting shot up in war.
	So, well, so okay, the question is: who's the primary victim?
	So, when it comes to, I guess, victimhood status, are you more a victim if you're murdered as compared to being the family of the murdered?
	I think I'm not saying I'm sure the suffering, I'm sure it'd be awful to have a family member murdered, but they didn't get murdered.
	We still didn't get murdered.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Would you rather be murdered, or would you rather someone you know got murdered and deal with the suffering that would come along with that?
	I'd rather both of us not get murdered.
	Can you engage with a hypothetical?
	No, I don't want to.
	Why not?
	Because I don't want to.
	I don't want to.
	It's not even like a crazy, controversial.
	You don't have the mental constitution to think about a hypothetical.
	I don't think I've got to think about it at all.
	Just that in itself, I don't want to think about it.
	But my answer still stays, right?
	I think both suffer.
	Both are victims.
	Okay, question.
	Your cousin is murdered.
	Would you prefer that over you being murdered?
	Would I rather have my cousin murdered or me be murdered?
	Yeah.
	Yes, in terms of perhaps the framing could be like, what would have a bigger impact on you?
	Of course, my cousin being murdered would have a bigger impact as me being murdered.
	How the fuck would I remember that, right?
	All right, I'm moving it over.
	Oh, here, hang on, Anne.
	Let me just engage very quickly.
	In life, are you going to suffer?
	Everyone suffers, yes.
	Is it preferable to live?
	Even though you suffer?
	Sorry, what?
	I was reading this.
	Is it preferable to live even though you suffer?
	Yes.
	Okay, well, then if it's preferable to live even though you suffer, then if men are dying and you're not, then isn't it preferable for you to be in the stage where you're not dying and so can live to suffer?
	No.
	I'd rather kill myself because I don't want to see my men, my brothers, my dad, all the men around me, to die and then me suffer watching die.
	Okay.
	So you said it's equal.
	Why do you think that?
	Because I think if there's war in your country, it's just like it's terrible even if you're not drafted.
	And I think if your partner or family member or friend dies in war, I think it's as I'd say it's also terrible for well let me ask you about a recent conflict that's coming with that.
	You're from Germany, you live in Europe, you're not too far away from Ukraine.
	In Ukraine, all the women could leave the country.
	Men between the ages of 18 and either 60 or 65.
	I need to figure out what the actual number is.
	Men had to stay in the country.
	They could not leave the country.
	Men are overwhelmingly the casualties of war in the Ukraine conflict, the civilian and the military casualties.
	Knowing that all women, if they were inclined to, could flee the country and all men had to stay, in this specific conflict, would you say that the suffering experienced comparatively between Ukrainian women and Ukrainian men is comparable, is equal?
	I think it's really hard to tell, but I've not seen any of those men, but I've seen kids on the street who were allowed to come to our countries suffer and cry for their parents or dad because they don't have them anymore.
	And I think that's pretty much equal.
	Well, I would imagine the child, the distribution of children is 50-50 about between boys and girls.
	So the suffering between boys and girls would be equalized.
	I mean, little boys are not forced to stay in Ukraine.
	No, but I'm saying they can flee, but the question is between men and women.
	But the children, the distribution there is probably fairly equal, 50-50.
	So you have both boys and girls who are suffering.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you think they're suffering equally?
	The kids, yeah.
	Right.
	Let me ask you: let me ask you this.
	When it comes to suffering, are people capable of moving on from the death of a loved one?
	I don't know.
	I think.
	You've never had a loved one die?
	No.
	Never?
	Never.
	Okay, but do you concede that there are people who have loved ones die every day and they are able over time to move on from those traumas, right?
	I'm sure there are.
	But I'm sure there are.
	Can you move on?
	Hang on.
	I'm sure there are.
	Can you move on from death?
	No.
	No.
	So then how are these even close to equally yoked?
	If you can move on from the suffering of a loved one dying, but you can't move on from death.
	How can you ever compare and say that the victims then, primarily, would be both?
	It would only be one, right?
	Could at least recover from the suffering of the lost beloved one, but can you recover from death?
	No, you can't, but you don't have to suffer through the life after.
	Oh, but wait, so suffering, it's it's death is preferable to suffering?
	I mean, no, I guess not.
	Okay, I guess not.
	Isn't in your life, haven't you suffered?
	Not as bad as I'm not saying as bad, but you have suffered, right?
	Yeah, and I noticed that you're still quite alive.
	And you probably likely prefer to be alive, correct?
	Yeah, because my worst suffering was when I hurt my, when I got injured or something like nothing terrible.
	Yeah, so, but the thing is, is that even though you suffer, you still prefer life.
	So let me ask you this.
	If you could ask all of the dead soldiers on the battlefield this one question, would you prefer that I brought you back to life, even though you would suffer, or would you prefer to be dead?
	Which answer do you think they'd give you?
	Honestly, after what the soldiers experience on the battlefield, seeing friends being blown up by bombs, I think they would not want to live anymore.
	Oh, okay.
	Gotcha.
	So you think that they would prefer to be dead?
	That's awful convenient that you think that the people who have to die in lieu of you, because you can't be drafted nor be sent to war, would prefer to be dead over having suffered.
	But you have an equal claim to their suffering because after all, you're still alive and have to deal with the aftermath, right?
	Poor you.
	Poor you.
	No, okay.
	They would prefer to be dead, right?
	They would prefer it.
	They wouldn't want to be alive.
	No, I'm talking for myself.
	I just can't imagine that I still would want to live, but I also see your point that it's like, yeah, I probably agree that men who are drafted have it harder if they actually have to fight there.
	What if they just volunteer?
	They still have it harder.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, of course.
	But if they volunteer, I think it's way different than if you have to.
	Yeah, I don't think it's way different.
	So let's try this.
	Dear Amanda, I've been in the trenches for 15 months, fighting a brutal war.
	I can't wait to get home to you and my three young children.
	Wait for me, my dear.
	I love you.
	Boom, a grenade goes off and blows him to smithereens.
	You think that he would prefer to stay dead rather than have to deal with the suffering of his friends getting killed on the battlefield.
	Is that really your position after you think about it for even one second?
	No, I think for some people it is that way.
	I'm not talking about everyone.
	There are some, but I mean, not even the vast majority, right?
	It can't even be that way for the vast majority of them.
	I think if you live through horrible things in war and experience horrible things, some people probably don't want to live anymore with that.
	Okay, well, I'll give you, I'll just end this real quick so Brian can move it on with a final quote from a famous movie called Full Metal Jacket.
	One of the most famous lines from that movie was, the dead only know one thing, that it's better to be alive.
	Those are some new arguments, by the way, Andrew.
	Those were very good.
	Now, I think there's a bit of confusion here also, though, because we're trying to compare the degrees of suffering.
	It's not really the question, though.
	It's who is the primary victim of war, men or women.
	I just find that interesting.
	In any case, though, Natalie, at least in the Ukraine example, you have not been convinced that men are the primary victims of war?
	Well, yeah, I see your point, and I think it makes sense.
	But I don't know.
	I wouldn't say it's much more of a victim, but yeah, probably a little bit more.
	What about you?
	I believe that men have it worse.
	Men's lives are hard.
	Why is it so hard for some women to acknowledge, like, you can acknowledge, like, women have it worse in this way, But even in the one that appears so obvious, you can't even grant to men one grievance, one way in which they can become, can be considered a victim.
	I find that really interesting.
	Men are still the victim, just a lot of people are the victim if there's war.
	But I mean, if we're doing a comparison, so feminism, the genesis of feminism, is a comparison between men and women.
	Men have it better in X-way.
	Men have this right.
	Women get mistreated in this way.
	But it's interesting, you can't even, in this situation, I think there's no doubts that men are more.
	Like if you look at death rates, for example, throughout all of human history, you look at World War I, you look at World War II, there's tens of millions of male-only military deaths.
	And somehow.
	I think we can tie it up pretty easy with this idea.
	If I were to ask you this question, do men or women suffer more during childbirth?
	Women?
	Women?
	You want everybody or just the people who said?
	Just the people who said war.
	Do men or women suffer more during childbirth?
	Women.
	Yeah, probably more.
	Wait, women.
	What about my trauma from seeing my poor woman going through all that agony and pain, and I can't do anything about it?
	And then I have to live with that.
	I have to live with the fact that she was in, wait, why would she be the primary victim?
	What about my trauma?
	What about my suffering from having to see that?
	Oh my God, you also have trauma then.
	You're also a victim.
	Yeah, I'm a total.
	I'm totally.
	In fact, wouldn't you say that I'm an equal victim?
	If you want to be, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, then, I guess, I guess I want to.
	So over to the one who's not trolling, doesn't have the stupid Coke bottle glasses.
	Can you answer my question?
	Are men or women the primary victim of pregnancy, pain, and childbirth?
	Well, women, but I also think it's...
	Wait, why?
	Why are women the primary victims of that?
	Because their body suffers.
	Oh, and whose body suffers in the war?
	Okay, but no.
	Oops, oops.
	No, no, no.
	Oops.
	No, no, oops.
	But the oops.
	No oops.
	Wait, go ahead.
	Continue.
	Go ahead.
	For the war, the man just stands there in a hospital and has to help the woman a little bit, but for war, the...
	No, no, no, no.
	It's the trauma.
	Don't you understand?
	It's the trauma.
	It's the fact that I have to live with the fact that I couldn't do anything while she was going through all that pain and agony.
	And it's haunted me forever.
	How am I not at the same scale of victim as she is, even though it's her body that's being ripped asunder?
	Can you explain that to me?
	I just don't think childbirth is that traumatizing.
	No, I just, you know, I just don't think that you not getting blown up is as traumatizing as getting blown up either.
	But, you know, what do I know?
	It is traumatizing to getting blowing up.
	Yes, is it more traumatizing for the loved one to get blown up or for you to get blown up?
	Probably for you to get blown up.
	Yeah, probably for you to get blown up.
	So then, therefore, the primary victims of war would have to be men.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, men.
	Yeah.
	I'm proud of you.
	You got it.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	Let me read some chats.
	We have a few more questions.
	We have Lol Paladins.
	I'm curious if she even knows she is brainwashed.
	She literally quoted Hillary Clinton word for word, 1998.
	Does she even know that she just did that?
	Yeah, I mean, this actually question originates in Hillary Clinton.
	She said that women have always been the primary victims of war.
	That's probably not precisely verbatim, but essentially.
	JR Gracie, Brian, In N Out is doing wonders for your cup size.
	Thank you, man.
	Rocking the dad bod.
	Gotta lose weight.
	Working on it, boys.
	Working on it.
	To the boring, disinterested panel, what would make you more engaging?
	A shots, B lines, C, talk more about yourself, or D, shiny things.
	Shots.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Like injections?
	No.
	No, like right.
	Thank you, Gracie.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	We have Epirus.
	Thank you, man.
	Would the girls next to Brian ever consider a man making 500K a year?
	What?
	What?
	So I guess this is you and Morgan and Natalie.
	Would you consider a man who makes $500,000 a year?
	Excuse me?
	For the hypothetical, we're going to pretend that I'm not taking it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	This is like asking a guy, would you consider dating a girl with big tits and a fat ass?
	Yeah.
	What?
	What?
	Bruh, come on.
	That's crazy, bro.
	Would you, ladies, would you consider dating a billionaire?
	Would you?
	I guess.
	Oh, wait, no.
	I think he's shooting his shot.
	Epirus, are you shooting your shot?
	Would you date him?
	That's all you know.
	He makes 500K a year.
	That's all you know.
	You made it very clear I'm taken and not interested.
	500K a year.
	Oh, snap.
	Okay, good for you, man.
	Congrats.
	Congrats, Epirus.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Can we pull up Andrew's photo really quick?
	I'm missing it.
	Yes.
	I mean it.
	Pull it up really quick.
	Oh my God.
	Natalie, yeah.
	Thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, that was it.
	That's all I get.
	Okay.
	Rude.
	Damn, look at this jawline.
	Right?
	Yo, me and Andrew were joining Weight Watchers.
	All right.
	But do we have proof that's him?
	That is.
	What do you mean?
	That looks just like.
	Wait, Andrew, what's your body count?
	I would never like the host of the show.
	It's privileged information.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	It wouldn't be nearly as fun to when there's trolls and I'm trolling back if I revealed just how much of a stud I truly am not.
	That would make the trolls not nearly as fun, right?
	That would make it as fun.
	Going around on this, are men or women who's physically stronger, men or women?
	Men.
	Men.
	Anybody think women?
	I got guns, but she's got guns.
	No, I think men are stronger.
	Like naturally men.
	The women who are majoring in biology, like isn't the muscle fiber of a man actually more dense than that of a woman?
	Yes.
	Men are stronger.
	There's no way of going.
	Women have some women are stronger.
	I know I'm stronger than a lot of men.
	Right, but I'm saying like the actual makeup of a man is anatomically yes, men are stronger.
	So next question.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wait, starting, we'll just get answers from everybody.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah, of course.
	Yes, definitely.
	Yes, of course.
	Oh, okay.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	Go ahead, Macy.
	Try not to answer it.
	You gotta answer, Macy.
	You gotta answer.
	Yes, you can.
	We weren't supposed to ask racism or any ways.
	This is fine.
	This is fair game.
	Don't worry about it.
	This is fair game.
	This is fair.
	Racism can go like any way.
	Okay, so yes, you can.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Oh, you're for real?
	I'm for real, for real.
	For real, for real.
	When keeping it real goes wrong, I'm going to keep it real.
	I'm keeping it real.
	I don't know.
	I'm very mixed on this question.
	Like, people have asked me, and I never know how to answer.
	Tell us how you really feel.
	Dude, I literally.
	Mask off.
	Tell us how you feel.
	I literally, like, I can't.
	Tell us.
	Like, it's like, I understand both ends of the stick.
	Like, I can't outweigh one more than the other.
	It's a really mixed.
	Can Mongolian people be racist towards white people?
	Dude, like, it's the same question.
	Can you be racist to white people?
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	You just rephrase the question somewhere.
	Wow, growing up.
	I can't outweigh it.
	So should we just assume that your answer is no?
	You can't be racist towards white people.
	No.
	Can't you make inferences, Andrew?
	Can't you, like, by virtue of someone refusing to answer a question, can you not make inferences about their position?
	Or is that?
	Yeah, you can make inferences, but that doesn't mean that they're going to be rational.
	I'm inferring, I'm making an inference.
	Regardless of the rationality of it, I've inferred.
	I have inferred.
	I've made an inference.
	How do you feel about that?
	I've inferred.
	Do you infer?
	Do you like to infer?
	I concur that you inferred.
	And I concur that you concur.
	Can you be racist because?
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you thing?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Okay.
	100%.
	Yes.
	Yes, definitely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I actually wrote a paper about this at college, and I failed the class because of it.
	Oh, my God.
	Did you say yes and you failed?
	There's the T.
	Oh, my God.
	That's crazy.
	Wait, you failed the class because why?
	Did you say yes?
	What was your position in the paper?
	I was talking about reverse racism against whites, and the professor just disagreed with me, gave me a failing grade on the paper, even though it met all the requirements of the paper.
	It was well written.
	What ethnicity was the professor?
	Oh, shit.
	Aren't you supposed to just lie in college?
	Like you're conservative.
	Is it the doctrine you just lie and just tell them what they want to hear?
	Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
	Is it supposed to just do in college?
	Yeah, college is supposed to brainwash you, but I refuse.
	Okay.
	Well, anyways, moving on.
	Do we live in the patriarchy?
	Macy, starting with you.
	No, we got to start over here.
	We've got to start over here.
	Tallest to shortest.
	That's how it works.
	Actually, I feel like currently no.
	Previously, yes.
	Okay.
	Previously, yes.
	Yeah, I would say closer to no.
	Closer to no.
	Yeah, I'd agree.
	Closer to no.
	Closer to no.
	Yeah, I think we're.
	Closer to no, there's when you say no, like yes, but we're inching towards a no.
	Okay, so there's there's still a patriarchy, but it's not as obviously progression.
	It's not as bad.
	Bingo, thank you.
	I think I would agree with you.
	Yeah, I don't even think we live in a patriarchy anymore.
	Me neither.
	It depends.
	What does that mean?
	Well, patriarchy has different definitions.
	Different definitions.
	It just means that men are basically in charge of shit.
	That's it.
	In that chat.
	Huh?
	Nothing.
	I'd say 51%.
	Did you see the chat?
	What did it say right there?
	It said Brian has your crush on you.
	Anyways, let's stay focused here.
	Patriarchy?
	Believe in the patriarchy?
	Believe in the patriarchy?
	Yeah, it's a little bit there.
	Even when Angela Merkel was running the German government for a long ass time?
	Was it the patriarchy, though?
	America never had a girl president.
	Yeah, what about Germany, though?
	Yeah, but we're in America right now.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Coming down this way?
	I don't think we are currently.
	Yeah, I think the patriarchy has been ruined.
	Patriarchy's ruined.
	You're in favor of the patriarchy.
	I'm in favor.
	She's in favor of the patriarchy.
	Do you guys, okay, so I've heard this, like, under the patriarchy, women are oppressed.
	Do you agree?
	Like, do you think women are oppressed in the U.S.?
	No, absolutely not.
	No.
	Well, let's just let people answer.
	They can be, but like, no.
	They can be, but no.
	Yeah, but that's like with everything, so I'd inch to know.
	Okay.
	I think to a certain extent, both men and women are.
	No.
	No.
	Is that your genuine answer?
	Yes.
	No.
	I don't know.
	Earlier she tried to make the argument that women have less rights than men, though.
	So it's a contradiction.
	I said what I said.
	Sub, what's your sub?
	Wait, I have a question.
	What?
	Do you guys believe in gender equality?
	No.
	Me neither.
	First of all, I don't believe in gender at all.
	I don't even think gender exists.
	Just nonsense.
	Nonsensical, made-up word.
	There's only sex.
	That's all there's ever been.
	And people make a conflation.
	They say gender, they actually mean sex.
	And so what happens in the commons is when people say gender, they actually mean sex.
	They actually mean male-female, not gender.
	Gender is just nonsense made-up bullshit, essentially.
	That's my worldview on it.
	I believe in gender equity.
	Ah, equity.
	I love equity.
	What is it?
	Okay, can I give an example?
	This is how I think of it.
	Are you going to give me the box example?
	The standing over the fence?
	Yeah, you're going to give me the box example.
	Did you just learn this in Feminist 101 the other day?
	The box example.
	You stand up on the box and the person next to you has a shorter box.
	You got to give them a bigger box so they can stand over the fence too.
	No, I didn't just learn that.
	See, they don't even know it.
	I don't know.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Explain the box.
	Explain standpoint theory, the box.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, fine.
	Basically, the equality is everyone has the same box, but not everyone can see over the fence.
	And then equity is everyone gets the box according to their height so that everyone can see the exact same over the fence.
	Don't you think that the.
	Why does everybody deserve to have the same box size?
	Right.
	Correct.
	Why does everybody deserve to have the same box size?
	I don't think they do.
	Right.
	So then you don't believe in equity.
	Why?
	Well, how if you if so what you're saying all of us have a box, right?
	That's equality, correct?
	But the boxes are different sizes, and so you have to increase some box sizes so that they get bigger so that you can then look over the fence, right?
	Right.
	Why do people deserve to have the larger boxes?
	Why do you actually deserve to have that?
	Maybe we don't deserve it, but just so everyone can see the same.
	Well, should they be given the ability to work to get that box?
	Definitely.
	Okay.
	Do you think people don't have that opportunity?
	Well, I think everyone has the opportunity to work.
	It's just what you do with your time.
	Like, I see people on the road begging for money with the same time.
	And I get that people have disabilities and everything.
	But that same time.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	That same time that you're spending out there, you could literally be trying to get a job.
	More productive as you're exactly.
	Why would you want to try to get a job?
	Those bums are making $60,000 a year panhandling on the street.
	They don't give a shit about a job.
	Plus, they never report any of the income.
	So due to people who love equity like yourself, what ends up happening is the state comes in and gives them tons of cash, sets them up with tons of social programs.
	They go get food stamp cards that are loaded with $2,000 of EBT spending cash because they're homeless.
	They get free, literally free health care because they get put on Medicaid.
	And then on top of that, they get put in low-income housing so their rent is only one-tenth of what a normal person's rent is and they have just as nice of a place.
	How the fuck is that equitable?
	How is that equity?
	You know what that sounds like to me?
	It sounds like what happens is you take my box and you shrink it to make your box bigger.
	That's a good way to put it.
	Well, I don't think you can break down the something as nuanced as economy or gender, intergender dynamics, or I don't think you can break that down to this box example.
	There's way more like complexity and nuance to it.
	I don't think, I mean, in that specific example, it makes sense, but I don't know if that maps on to applying it to like economics or like gender stuff.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, but that's, but I mean, speaking to equity, equity is every bit as impossible as equality because it's just the same principle.
	It's the same exact principle applied.
	You still want everybody to have an equally sized box so that they can see over the fence.
	So our equality standard now is just everybody has to be here, right?
	It's still the same exact principle.
	Same principle applied.
	It's just now we have to move the goalpost so everybody can see over the fence the same way.
	And this kind of idea of sameness and interchange of that human beings are interchangeable widgets, right?
	So I think that there's a lot of people who don't deserve to see over the fence.
	Fuck them, as the proverbial saying goes, right?
	Fuck them.
	A lot of people absolutely do everything in their life to make damn sure that they'll never see over the fence.
	And why should they be able to?
	Well, good working people are busting their ass so that they can, so that they can build that body.
	That's what I never understood about the equity argument.
	I just never really understood it.
	It just sounds like it's egalitarianism just framed in a different way.
	Word, hold on, guys, one sec.
	Oh, let's see.
	Oh, any, those of you who have seen the show before, any disagreements either that you have with me or Andrew that haven't already been addressed throughout the show?
	Going once?
	Yeah, actually.
	I think I wrote it in the pre-notes thing, and I was kind of talking about Nala Ray because, like, she's changed.
	Do you believe a woman can change as when she like a reborn-again virgin?
	No, you can't become a born-again virgin.
	Right, you can't be a virgin.
	You can't be a Christian.
	No, that's probably Protestant prattle.
	Okay.
	They're taking, they're conflating two different ideas.
	Idea one is that if you are a Christian, you convert to Christianity.
	I didn't know if you were saying something.
	No, the chat.
	No, I was saying that.
	Oh, my bad.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, yeah.
	So, if you convert to Christianity, yes, your sins are washed away.
	This is what is then conflated with born-again virgin.
	No, your virginity is gone, and the amount of sex that you had doesn't go away.
	That still happened, right?
	Your sins don't go away either.
	They're just forgiven.
	They're forgiven.
	This is the principle and the point, right?
	So, the thing is, is that the idea of born-again virginity is basically a bunch of feminist cope, right?
	There's a lot of feminists who move towards Christianity specifically as a shield from criticism rather than as a way to salvation.
	And so, that's why we end up with these female ministers who preach these crazy-ass gospels that make no sense at all.
	I agree with that.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	TTS is now $69, $69 TTS.
	And then back to the notes here.
	So, we have, let's see, sorry, I lost my place in the notes here.
	Going around the table, are your parents still together?
	Yes.
	No.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No, they have been divorced three times and are on their now third marriage.
	Well, divorced twice on their third marriage.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	All right.
	And one sec.
	Where did my.
	Sorry, guys, I lost my place in my notes here.
	John Zundus Cormith donated $69.
	Where does Big Red stand literally in the box analysis?
	I don't need a box because she's perfect.
	Oh, period.
	Okay.
	She's seeing over the fence.
	Yeah.
	Oh, question.
	Is a man less of a man?
	All of you can't see over the fence unless we get you a bigger box, right?
	I don't need a point.
	How could he ever be equitable?
	I don't know.
	I don't watch baseball.
	Fuck that shit.
	Stupid box.
	It's a baseball game.
	Who the fuck gives a fuck about a box to a baseball game?
	What the fuck?
	Get out of here with your fucking 1930s pastime.
	Fuck that shit.
	Okay.
	Oh, I watch baseball.
	What in fucking what?
	When was that even a thing?
	In the 40s, fucking Babe Ruth?
	Who gives a fuck?
	I like baseball.
	I just got like 10.
	I got like 100 unsubscribed right there.
	But Brian, what about a league of their own where Dottie could catch the ball with her bare hand, Brian?
	What about that?
	I don't know.
	How many fucking baseball games are there in a season?
	God damn, it's like 200 goddamn games.
	I can't follow this shit.
	Get out of here with your fucking 500 games.
	Okay.
	Anyways.
	Oh, is a man less of a man if he can't change a flat tire?
	Oh, gosh.
	Yo, ABC, thank you for the gifted memberships.
	Yes, less of a man if you can't change a flat tire, but no?
	No.
	No.
	No?
	I don't think so.
	No, but I would want my man to know how to change tire.
	So he's less of a man then.
	I don't want to date the guy.
	Own it, girl.
	Own it.
	Own it.
	I guess.
	Okay.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Oh, okay.
	Yes.
	Can't change a can't change Volkswagen?
	You can just find it on YouTube.
	It's just a done deal.
	Okay.
	Yes?
	I said yes.
	So then, for those of you who said yes, is a woman less of a woman if she can't cook a meal?
	Yeah.
	I was literally about to ask the exact same question.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	I'm going to say no.
	I'm going to say yes, unless your man likes to cook and you don't know how to cook.
	So no.
	Y'all.
	Y'all.
	No.
	Wiener Schnetzel.
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	If a woman doesn't know how to cook, she needs to learn how to cook.
	And ladies, the biggest thing that I could ever urge you to purchase off Amazon, it's called the Sue V, S-O-U-S-V-I-D-E.
	You will make the perfect steak every single time and you will win over 100% of the men that you make a steak for.
	Hey, Ryan, can you change a tire?
	I have to believe you for myself.
	I don't believe you.
	I absolutely do not believe that this book will ever teach women how to cook.
	No, it's not a book.
	It's an instrument to which you Brian, can you change a tire?
	No, but I can pay somebody who does.
	There you go.
	And he's got money.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Wait, you really can't change a tire?
	I got triple-A.
	What are you talking about?
	I got triple-A.
	They can take care of it.
	There you go.
	Triple-A takes care of it.
	Okay.
	I know how to jumpstart a car.
	Does that count for anything?
	That's kind of how to just count.
	Can jumpstart a car.
	I don't know what you girls are laughing about.
	Anytime you see a woman try to jumpstart a car when it sparks, she goes, ah, oh my god, it's sparked.
	They think they're going to electrocute themselves.
	That's true.
	Go ahead.
	Tell me I'm lying.
	Oh, you're true.
	I'd probably do that.
	I always say they're going to electrode.
	What's going on?
	Past winter, I had to put chains on the car by myself in the middle of a snowstorm in the middle of the night.
	That was horrendous.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I made a video and I said everybody needs to thank a man today.
	It's rough out there.
	You put chains on a tire.
	I did it, though.
	But I would prefer a man to do it.
	Most impressive.
	Do you guys know how to change your blinker fluid?
	No such thing.
	There definitely is.
	I don't know what you guys are talking about.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to think.
	Wait, who said there was no such thing as blinker fluid?
	Rude.
	What?
	Rude.
	You think there's no such thing as blinker fluid, really?
	There isn't.
	You don't really believe that, do you?
	But your blinker is a light bulb.
	They're powered by electricity, yeah.
	She's not that gullible.
	Ours also powered by electricity, which is generated by the gas light.
	I will change my headlights and my channel light is trying to see if you're gullible.
	Thank you.
	Stand by myself.
	Can we put on that one?
	Oh, damn it.
	I thought I could gaslight you for a while.
	I told all of you.
	Can we pull up young Andrew?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Guys, I will show you a video of her.
	Oh, she's melting over here.
	She's cutting the hot.
	22 flexing is a 480p webcam for a champagne pump.
	Just saying.
	Just saying.
	Okay, twitch.tv/slash whatever, guys.
	Go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow on the Prime sub if you have one.
	Guys, it's been 14 minutes since we last got the Prime.
	I'm pretty sure it's bugged.
	Can you help?
	Help.
	Louder more.
	Help.
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	I am enjoying a delicious spoke bowl whilst driving bicycles.
	Maybe later a bagel or cozy coffee with a Sammy.
	Wash it down with a six-pack.
	A keg or a bottle.
	A small stroll around the plaza four times.
	Sounds like a plan.
	What is usually clear?
	Anyways, so moving on.
	Yeah, moving on.
	So any dating-related topics you guys want to hit on?
	No, I think you guys hit it on the nail for me in my situations.
	I have one more question to ask.
	It's dating-related.
	So I'm going to just start asking all panels this question because I actually want to know the answer to this.
	Why can't women ever decide where they want to eat?
	Honest question.
	Because it always, at least for me, it really just depends on my mood.
	Yeah.
	But I want a man to decide for me.
	I just want to turn my brain off and let him take the lead.
	So when he says, let's go to Subway?
	Let's go to Subway.
	You're down?
	Let's go to Subway.
	Unless I'm not feeling Subway.
	But I'm going to always go with him.
	Whatever he wants, I want.
	Honestly.
	Well, this leads me to my second very quick question, which is, you have heard that there are people out there who do not have an internal dialogue, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	Meaning that when they think in their head, they don't actually do that.
	That's not a thing that they do.
	Yeah.
	Is there anybody here who does not, and there's no shame in this, right?
	It's just something that is.
	Is there anybody here who does not have an internal dialogue?
	Raise your hand if you don't.
	No?
	Everyone here has an internal dialogue?
	I don't know.
	You look like you.
	I don't know.
	You look like maybe you don't have an internal dialogue going on right now.
	You looked a little baffled by the question.
	Yeah, you were like, well, wait a second.
	I'm just still kind of shook that some people don't have that.
	Oh, yeah, that's fair.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I feel like that's like maybe.
	I have an ex-boyfriend who said that he didn't have an internal dialogue, and I think that explains a lot of things.
	I was going to say, it sounds like not necessarily the best thing to have going on.
	You talked to him, and it was like, crickets.
	I'm just being mean.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I have the dad thing going where I talk to myself all day, and I do it out loud constantly and have arguments with myself.
	And yeah, I think that this is just a typical man-dad thing that we all do.
	Oh, I got it from my mom.
	That and lose whatever tool we're using right in front of us.
	We do that a lot, too.
	Yeah, it's a tough crowd.
	No sense of humor, nothing.
	You know, these are real winners.
	I think they're scared of me.
	I think they're scared.
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	Andrew doesn't know what he's doing, and I wouldn't trust him in the North Shore on the Funflint Trail.
	Plus, he's slowly killing himself from Toes Smokes.
	I love Andrew, but he needs to look within.
	Oh, man.
	Okay, well, I looked within, and I'm doing okay, man.
	I'll consider it.
	Me and my internal dialogue have come to the conclusion that I'm doing fine.
	I think we need more arguing from her in the corner over there.
	We need more arguing.
	We need to hear your hot takes on your disagreements.
	On what?
	Feminism.
	Yeah, ask you a fun one.
	Ask me a fun one.
	Yeah, that's my fun one.
	All right, I'll just throw out a really hot take there.
	See if you buy it.
	Men have been more pressed than women.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	You're just going to agree.
	Why do you say that?
	Because men have been.
	Why?
	Or why?
	I have a way hotter take.
	Women can't troll with the shit.
	That's a that I got.
	I think that's really the more hot take.
	Women suck at trolling.
	They're terrible at it.
	I agree.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree with your agreement.
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	Americaless-based society will inevitably decay.
	There would be no desire to aspire and to create.
	What you are describing is socialism.
	It never works.
	Why threads only five socialist nations out of 190?
	Hey, Pagan, thank you for the TTS man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Oh, the bow video?
	Well, I want to see if I can get somebody to bite on something.
	do you just not want to engage because andrew's such like a master class magnificent magnif magnanimous that's amazing Magnificent debater.
	I'm just really hungry right now.
	Yeah, I'm smelling it.
	I've been smelling weed and cigarettes.
	Yes, but why can't we smell it?
	Row down there and be smoking all the time.
	The Karen downstairs.
	Yeah.
	She's probably led in one of those.
	Yeah, so anything you want to talk about?
	Why are you pointing at me?
	You can't smell my cigarettes through the screen.
	You realize that that's a physical impossibility, right?
	What you got for us?
	Give us something.
	What you got?
	I got a question.
	What you got?
	Kill me all.
	No question.
	I have a question for you.
	Do you genuinely think that men are more oppressed than women?
	Bro.
	He's trying to buy something.
	He's trying to get something out of you.
	Give him what he wants to know.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Yes.
	You're really good at giving those answers.
	Thank you.
	I can really hear the grief now.
	Without the noise you're going to get.
	I can't.
	Like the whole show.
	Can we go back to your husband banging your sister?
	Yeah, I had some questions about that.
	Can we jump back to that real quick?
	Okay.
	So, because you said that you were in a discussion about this.
	Yeah.
	Okay, with him.
	And that he said that you're better than her.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he has to.
	Okay.
	He picked her.
	Yeah, I get it.
	Okay, but I'm just curious, why would he ever tell the truth, though?
	Like, why would he ever tell you the truth about that?
	I mean, he's told me a lot of truths before that I didn't necessarily want to hear.
	Oh, man.
	So, for example, some of his exes are a lot prettier than me.
	And he's told me that.
	So I believe him when he tells me.
	I mean, he's very direct with me.
	Yeah, but wouldn't he have literally every incentive on planet Earth to lie about that?
	No.
	To be like, no.
	I mean, think about how the conversation would go.
	I'm trying to envision it in my head.
	Where if you banged your wife's sister, how you could possibly be like, well, you see, dear, actually, she did this one thing I really like, and I wish you would do it, right?
	Like, wouldn't they just lie?
	It was more of her doing things he didn't like.
	I mean, they were 16, right?
	Yeah.
	Kind of young.
	So they're pretty inexperienced.
	Okay.
	I mean, I guess that changes things, but I'm just saying, but I don't know.
	I don't know how that would be believable exactly.
	Was he ever like flirty with you when they were dating?
	No.
	You had no interest in him?
	When they were dating?
	Yeah.
	I met him.
	How long were they together?
	They were together for like two years.
	Oh, wow.
	But she cheated on him the entire time they were together.
	How did your mom and dad react to your relationship with him?
	They adore him.
	He's always treated, he always treated her really well.
	It was just him in the family one way or another.
	But like, how long between when he always treated both their daughters well?
	Yeah, apparently, and the mom.
	When your sister broke up with him, and like, what was the length of time between a six-year different when you started dating him?
	Yeah.
	So the family's like, welcome back.
	Pretty much, yeah.
	I mean, he's always stayed pretty close with our family, too.
	So, and yeah.
	How does it feel for you as a wife to hear your husband tell you that other women he's been with are more attractive than you?
	It doesn't really bother me.
	I mean, we were best friends before we became married, so we always discussed these things.
	Did he say that to you prior to marrying you?
	Prior him, during.
	So who here would lie to that person?
	No, no, hang on.
	I just got a couple of quick clarifying questions because I didn't catch all of that combo.
	So the first question is: were you doing stuff with this guy while he was dating the sister?
	No.
	No.
	Not at all.
	No.
	Yeah, we're best friends.
	Were you best friends with him then?
	When?
	When he was dating your sister.
	Yeah, we were really good friends.
	Okay.
	What a hob knocker.
	What's a hob knocker?
	I don't know.
	I got it from iCarly when I was in middle school.
	You're quoting iCarly?
	I'm from middle school, and I've always used it.
	I just don't swear.
	I'm proud of you for not swearing.
	Thank you.
	That's very good.
	The fruits.
	I don't know if quoting Disney is better than swearing, but Nickelodeon.
	It's actually Nickelodeon.
	I thought, didn't Disney buy all that out?
	I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	I don't watch any of that anymore.
	Disney owns everything at this point.
	If your partner asks, like, would any of you like lie to them about that to make them feel better?
	No.
	No.
	So you would be like, oh, yeah, my past partner was better in bed than you.
	I don't think I would say it like that.
	I would think that I would personally, like, my interest of who I liked and went for in high school is a complete 180 from who I'm attracted to now.
	So I think I would just say I was attracted to that person in whatever manner, but it's different than how I'm attracted to you.
	And there's just a different bond between that person.
	But I'm not going to bluntly be like, oh, yeah, he was better in bed.
	He's cuter than you, sexier than you.
	He did this, he did that.
	But then continue to date the other guy.
	How was your attraction changed?
	So, I mean, I only had one boyfriend in high school.
	That was like almost three years, two and a half years, and he was just kind of my height, little white guy.
	I'm from Frankenmuth, Michigan, so it's just happy.
	Yeah, I mean, we lived there.
	And then, and then I started going to college, and I really wasn't to like the country guy.
	Franken Booth sucks.
	Oh, okay.
	It sucks.
	I live very close to Franken Booth.
	It's a terrible place.
	Oh, did you?
	Where are you from?
	So I live near Grand Rapids.
	No way.
	That's crazy.
	Anyways, My type was kind of more the dad bots, the country, the whatever, because I was into that.
	And now I like, you know, I'm dabbling more into like the mixed areas.
	What are you attracted to now?
	Like, what do you look for in a man?
	Right now, I am looking for one that can be honest and respectful with me.
	I'm attracted to a man that can make time and commitment, not lie to me, not just be straight up, don't beat around the bush.
	And then I think more I went for physical attraction.
	Now that's just kind of come in second or third to me, and I'm realizing that.
	Do you have like a minimum amount of income that he needs to make?
	Because my career, I'm not going to be making jacks.
	So, I mean, I'm not really expecting anybody to make as much either.
	But are you looking to get married?
	Oh, yeah.
	So, wouldn't it behoove you to be interested in what this person's income potential?
	Yes, 100%.
	Grimnak donated $69.
	Andrew has been fantastic for my marriage.
	My wife makes me lunch for work, lays out my clothes for work, and meets me at the door with a kiss and a beer when I get home.
	God bless you, Andrew.
	Sounds like a good wife.
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	Bow video?
	Well, no, That's not luck.
	Having a minimum requirement for the duty of a wife, that's just what should be the expectations.
	It shouldn't be luck.
	It should never be associated with luck that women are held to a minimum standard for behavior.
	That's not luck.
	That's what they all should do.
	That's my opinion.
	I think it's fair to hold men to the same standard, right?
	A minimum standard for behavior.
	But we sure should don't do that with women at all.
	Nobody's going to disagree with him.
	You're just going to bite your tongue.
	No, I agree.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	I do not.
	I think men should hold their women to have some standards and make it make it.
	I agree with him.
	I just feel like women.
	Isn't that like the least they can do is make your fucking lunch and meet you at the door with a beer?
	It doesn't.
	It seems like it's the easiest job in the world to just not be an insufferable bitch.
	It seems like that would be the easiest thing in the world, but it seems to be extremely hard for women.
	They're like, well, you see, due to my solipsism and rampant selfishness, I just can't do it for you.
	I just can't.
	It would just something in me wants to be rebellious towards the fact that you want me to act like a proper wife.
	That's just something I've noted.
	Well, I think you brought up earlier, it's kind of some days it's 80-20.
	I mean, you might have a day where you're not feeling your best, you're not able to do something.
	So the husband picks up a little bit, but then maybe a week later, it's opposite roles.
	It's just kind of a pulley system.
	Well, I was going to say, what women need to constantly keep in check is their emotions.
	We're not taught that, and society is actually, I think, capitalizing on women's emotions, and it's making them more emotional.
	I agree.
	There's so many things that influence the way that we react.
	And our hormones are being impacted not just by the food that we eat, but the products we put on our bodies as well.
	That's a whole other topic.
	But women need to keep their emotions in check.
	They're highly emotional, and that will lead you to all of the misery.
	You will create it in your head.
	I struggle with that, and I've sabotaged my relationships because of that.
	I cannot, I can express my emotion very well, but many men do not like that.
	And I need to learn when is the appropriate time to express it and when it's not.
	Can you demonstrate a way in which you've expressed your emotions and it had a negative impact on your relationship?
	Yeah, definitely.
	I get role play.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, I don't think I can role play.
	I think I say it in the same tone that you said it to your boyfriend.
	Oh, man.
	Do I need to role play?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Well, I like, I okay, I just get kind of really upset, and I feel like when he's not listening to me, I get louder and louder.
	Okay, demonstrate.
	Okay.
	Can you be my ex?
	Okay, okay.
	You're not listening to me.
	Why are you not listening to me?
	Like, you were just on your phone.
	You're picking up your phone.
	Shut up.
	That's what he do, too.
	I'm not complaining.
	Yeah, but you.
	So, your ex was awesome?
	Your ex was awesome in every conversation.
	We just struggled with our communicating.
	Like, I mean, ideally, Andrew Tate, too.
	Like, shut up.
	Yeah, I mean, I knew what I was doing was not beneficial at all, but I needed that.
	Hey, okay, listen, I hear you, Haley.
	Take a moment, take a breather.
	I'm not going to listen to you if you're going to yell at me, and I'm not going to listen to him if he's clearly acting disinterested into our conversation.
	Yeah, I just have to.
	That's something I'm learning.
	It's a process.
	Is it a journey?
	Oh, it's a journey.
	It's a journey.
	It's a journey.
	Oh, wait.
	Psalm 21 and Agging White.
	Nick, that girl from last show.
	It's your emotional control journey.
	Andrew, you'll get a kick out of this.
	So we reacted to this earlier on in the show.
	This girl submitted her dating app profile.
	Oh, I had a comment on her profile.
	I didn't know if we were.
	Do you have it?
	Yeah, I was ready to do that.
	Okay.
	See, my problem is running a race looser has to make all this movement.
	Looser, not loser.
	Yeah, well, she goes to Princeton, but English is not her strong.
	No way, she doesn't.
	Next.
	That's why.
	Okay, so she says, dating me is like going on a spontaneous adventure.
	Next, next.
	But the most spontaneous thing she's ever done is download this dating app, Hinge.
	So if dating her is like going on a spontaneous adventure, but the most spontaneous thing she's ever done is downloading a dating app.
	What do you think, Andrew?
	Are the prospects of it being a worthy adventure?
	I mean, an adventure to do what exactly?
	To, I mean, what is downloading?
	What is her adventure?
	The most spontaneous thing that I've ever done is got an app and taken pictures of myself half-naked.
	Highly spontaneous woman, right?
	It sounds like it's a choose your own adventure, meaning that you get her and then you get to take her on your adventures.
	That's what it sounds like to me.
	I don't think I've ever had a girl take me on an adventure.
	I've taken my ex on an adventure.
	No, I don't think I've had a girl like, oh, let me take you to fucking.
	Well, okay.
	Well, what kind of adventure do you take your ex on?
	Don't okay.
	So here's a rules, though.
	Oh, man.
	You can't say camping, you can't say kayaking, and you can't say a hike.
	Not a.
	Oh, no.
	No, I just planned a surprise date one day, and he knew like when the day was, but he didn't know what it was.
	Just told him, like, don't wear sweats.
	And I just took him to a little winery because we were trying to, we did wine nights together, so we were just trying to figure out a good wine that we both liked and could buy and drink together, and it was a lot of fun.
	That's a date.
	That's not an adventure.
	That's a dating thing.
	But that's an adventure for us because we don't really go out and we didn't do a lot.
	Like, that's an adventure to me.
	Your adventure is going and testing, tasting wine at a local winery?
	That's an adventure.
	I've got a lot of fun with that.
	I mean, we were both from school at the time.
	We can't go book a weekend away.
	That's not a very good adventure.
	Yeah, I have different levels of adventure.
	I was hoping for some Indiana Jones shit.
	You know what I mean?
	There was a tank.
	I think it was crazy.
	He ducked under a doorway and he grabbed his head.
	Not, I went to a winery and sip wine.
	That doesn't sound very adventurous.
	Okay.
	I feel like I've been on an adventure, kind of.
	My girlfriend took me to the woods to try and find mushrooms that we could eat.
	We didn't have to do it.
	Yeah, all right.
	It was fun.
	Okay.
	I have a topic I want to touch on.
	This will probably be the last.
	We'll do the roast session, then we'll try to wrap up.
	So show of hands, who here has been on the dating app at any point?
	Never, no dating app, no dating app?
	Dating app.
	As a woman, if you're on a dating app and you're like using the dating app in a location you only know that you're going to be in for like one, two, or three weeks, what would you think?
	Hey, sorry about that.
	What the fuck?
	I'm yelling at my cat right now.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	Okay.
	What do you think the expectation there would be?
	What could a woman possibly want on a dating app if she's in a different location for one or two weeks?
	And she's using the dating app there.
	Very obvious.
	She's having a hookup.
	Right.
	I would assume she's like, you're only here for a short period of time.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	What other possibility exists between so shallow she might just want a free meal?
	I'm sure.
	I didn't even think about that.
	Yeah.
	But I've encountered this.
	Like there'll be girls who are on dating app.
	They're in town temporarily a long time ago.
	But they don't want to hook up.
	And they'll do the thing like I had one experience.
	I was on a dating app.
	She was in town for one, two weeks, and she lived like in a different state or something.
	And we met up and I was under the impression like she would be more inclined to have a not a one-night stand, but like a more casual hookup while she was here.
	We'd continue seeing each other, have a fling, whatever.
	When I say continue seeing each other, I mean just we would hang out a couple times and then that would be kind of the extent of it unless she came back.
	But then she wanted to keep hanging out, but she didn't want to hook up and I was like confusing.
	I was like, what do you hope to achieve?
	Because you're going back home in a week or two.
	So to me, it just seems kind of weird.
	Maybe she wanted a relationship.
	Yeah, but why is she on a dating app in a city she doesn't live in?
	Maybe she's able to travel.
	She might be able to travel and come back and visit, but I mean, she knew who you were.
	She knew who you were.
	Like she knew that you had like a pretty big following.
	No, no.
	This is prior to your podcast.
	Yeah, well, prior to me starting my podcast, this was three years ago, probably.
	Something.
	I don't know the exact timeline here.
	This is weird, bruv.
	That is weird.
	It wasn't like a hard, like, she was like, oh, I still want to hang out.
	And I was like.
	Maybe she want a companion.
	Yeah.
	Attention.
	Brian, your tour guide, bro.
	Attention?
	Brian, your tour guide.
	Yeah, she probably wanted attention.
	Yeah.
	Did you pay for any meals for her?
	I think we just met for a drink.
	Did you buy her a drink?
	Yeah, I got her drink.
	She was looking for free drinks.
	Bro, no girl's going on that drink.
	I was looking for that just for a free drink.
	Like a $10.
	Yeah, I don't think that's worth the effort.
	But I just thought it was interesting.
	That is interesting.
	Word.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Any final thoughts from anybody else on the panel?
	Otherwise, I'm going to hold on.
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	Yo, ukulele, thank you for the uh TTS man.
	Really appreciate it.
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	Question for the panel: How would you react to a nice-looking guy approaching you in a public place while he's with one of his children?
	Is that icky?
	Oh, can I talk?
	I've actually had that happen at my gym.
	It's a super cute gym, but you can, like, they have a little cafe where you can buy drinks.
	We were sitting in the hot tub.
	I had seen him in the gym before, but she's like, she looks like she's at least in like upper elementary.
	So I kind of, and he looks younger.
	Like, he clearly had her when she was a teenager.
	And we talked about this, actually.
	But, like, I was under the impression that it was maybe like a little sister or something that he was just bringing with him to the gym because he didn't have like a wedding band or anything.
	And no, it was not.
	It wasn't icky, but it was definitely just weird.
	Because then she was like sitting right there, and I'm like, you're offering to buy me a drink and trying to flirt with me in front of your child.
	It just seems really weird to me.
	Did you have previous interactions with him at your gym?
	No, that was the first time we had ever talked.
	And he approached you with his daughter?
	He didn't approach me with his daughter.
	We had been sitting in the hot tub, and we just like, everyone in the hot tub ends up striking up a conversation at some point, and she came and joined us in the hot tub.
	Oh, the daughter?
	The daughter joined?
	That's so cool you guys have a hot tub at your gym.
	Yeah, dude, it's such a nice.
	We just got a cold plunge.
	Speaking of gyms, why is it that you guys think that gyms, which only allow women to go, don't do very well?
	I didn't know that.
	Yeah, I didn't know that either.
	I didn't even know they made gyms just for women.
	Yeah.
	I didn't know that.
	Well, you see, there was such a pandemic of women getting harassed at gyms, you see, because I guess men just can't seem to control themselves.
	There was a slew of different entrepreneurs who have tried all female gyms with only female memberships.
	And they did not do very well.
	It turns out that women don't want to go to women-only gyms.
	That's really weird to me.
	If you had to guess why that is, what would your guess be?
	attention. I don't know.
	I'm at a woman's only gym, and it's pretty full always.
	I like to work out, too.
	Boom.
	Period.
	Just attention?
	You think that's it?
	I think women probably want to scout out their options, perhaps, so they're they go man-hunting at the gym.
	I mean, yeah.
	Woman wants a man who works out, right?
	Best place to find him is at the gym.
	Maybe they work out with a male.
	Oh, yeah, get yourself a good gym, bro.
	Yeah, maybe they encourage them more.
	I've seen a lot of times when men will go up to the women and encourage them when they're lifting and help them out.
	On spots.
	And there's so many videos of women setting up a camera and then they're working out and then they try to make a video of this man approaching them.
	They're like, I wish I could just be left alone at the gym.
	And it's like, girl, you asked for it.
	You're wearing short shorts with a little scrunchie up the button.
	You got the sports bra on.
	Like, come on.
	Like, what are you doing?
	That's not even what's happening in the videos.
	The women will be dressed in the way that you're describing, and a guy will glance vaguely in their direction, and then they'll totally blow it out of proportion and say that the guy was creeping on them.
	Right.
	I mean, that's what's really happening.
	I feel so sorry for men.
	It's hard to be a man today.
	What?
	I mean, even removing this sort of gender component to it, I don't think people should be filming in gyms, period.
	Right.
	So.
	Do you think that all female gyms would do better or all male gyms would do better?
	All male.
	All male.
	I don't think enough women work out.
	That's probably part of the problem as well.
	Think so.
	I think more men than women partake in gym activities and prioritize their fitness.
	You know, I'm not sure if that's actually true.
	They could just be prioritizing it in different ways that don't include a gym.
	All right, TTS has been lowered to 30 if you want.
	Get them in.
	We'll do a row section.
	I have to pause it temporarily because I just want to scan a couple of them and we'll let it come through.
	We'll do a short brief row section, then we'll wrap up the show if you want, get them in.
	I do want to go around the table on one question to maybe get things a little more lively.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	We'll see.
	This is dating related.
	So would you object to a man not wanting to date a transgender woman, starting with you?
	I mean, it's all about preference.
	If they don't want to date some transgender woman, they don't have to.
	But you think it would be like hinting towards being transphobic?
	Not unless they're just like outright transphobic.
	Let's assume they're not, but the reason they don't want to date this person is because they're trans.
	I mean, everyone has a preference, so I don't know.
	I don't think that's.
	Oh, um, yeah, everyone has a preference.
	Okay.
	Can you say the question I missed it?
	Let's just.
	That's fine.
	You can skip me.
	No.
	That'd be gay.
	No.
	No.
	Wait, sorry, say that one more time.
	I said no, that'd be gay.
	I can't say that.
	No, you can't say that.
	Sorry.
	No, it's not.
	You're fine.
	No.
	So you brought up something interesting there.
	You said it would be gay for a man to date a transgender woman.
	I guess going back around the table, do you object to that categorization?
	That it would be gay.
	It would not be straight for a man to date a transgender woman.
	Into the mic?
	Um, probably I'm sorry.
	Hmm?
	Can I not answer?
	I mean, we're not going to judge your.
	You can have your position.
	I don't think we're going to be upset with your position.
	I think if they transitioned to a woman, it would be considered a straight relationship.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think it'd be considered straight.
	Considered straight?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think if she was fully transitioned, it would be considered straight.
	Fully transitioned, okay?
	It's straight.
	Straight?
	I really don't care.
	It's not my business, so but I do think that if I can see the sides of people where they're like, if a man were to transition into a woman, that it would still be considered gay because going back to what Andrew has said of your sex, it's your underlying sex from the beginning, but I just stay out of that.
	It's not my business.
	Do what you want.
	Yeah, it would be gay.
	Yeah, I think so too.
	You can never like 100% change your gender.
	Yeah, I agree with her.
	I have a story on this topic.
	So in my early 20s, I was dating a guy who was having a bit of a problem with identifying his sexuality, I suppose.
	So he found messages in his phone where he was telling his friend that he was dating me and I'm very nice, but ultimately he thought that he would end up with a man.
	So gay, but in the closet still.
	And I remember when we broke up, I was venting to a friend of a friend who was transgender.
	And so this was male to female.
	And they were like, oh, I'm the perfect person for him because he isn't quite ready to come out of the closet and I present as female.
	And so, like, he should just message me.
	And first of all, like, if you're going to go male to female, you need to understand girl code in that.
	And it totally broke girl code.
	You just don't do that to a girl.
	Right?
	Like, I'm like venting about this person who I just broke up with.
	So, anyways, with that context and that fun story, I would say that I believe if a male is dating somebody who transitioned male to female, I would say that's still a gay relationship.
	Did they end up together?
	Did they end up together?
	He, oh gosh.
	No, those two did not end up together.
	Unfortunately.
	Would have been perfect.
	So you were dating a gay guy in college.
	What are you saying?
	I had no clue at the time.
	That's crazy.
	I landed myself at a guy who was in the closet and he used me as his little trophy to convince the world that he was straight.
	Yeah.
	Was it pretty easy for you to move on when you kind of found that out?
	Oh, gosh.
	So I was 21.
	Man, it did wonders on my self-esteem because as a 21-year-old, you're not mature enough to realize that it's nothing about you, right?
	So I was like, am I the reason why he doesn't love women?
	You thought he turned it gay?
	Yeah, like that was my first thought.
	So it was really hard for me to deal with back then.
	But I look back and I'm like, that has nothing to do with me at all.
	Are you sure that's not cope?
	I'm sure.
	Well, maybe I can try to walk through the logic here a little bit on this whole thing.
	So I'll keep it pretty simple and short.
	So is straight short form slang for what?
	Oh, you mean like what is it shortened for?
	Like a nickname?
	Like heterosexual.
	Okay, so does homosexual mean same sex?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Homo means same.
	Hetero.
	Hetero means same.
	It would be heterosexual.
	Right, but does homosexual mean same sex?
	Yes.
	And straight is short-form slaying for heterosexual.
	Yes.
	Okay, so when we say homosexual, we mean same-sex relationship.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you would agree that these people have not changed their sex?
	Like, transgender people don't change their sex?
	I disagree.
	I think they can change their sex.
	I mean, well, that's just a fundamental misunderstanding of sex.
	You can change sex.
	You can change your gender.
	Right.
	I'll just grant that you can change your gender.
	I guess.
	Well, I'm curious.
	I actually would like to hear you think, if you think that people can change their sex, what do you mean by that?
	Like, you can, if you're transitioning from female to male, you can, you know, get your, you can get your, you know, organs removed and you can get built a penis.
	So I feel like in a way you can kind of change your sex.
	If you're well, let me just make sure that if I test this real quick, that this is true.
	That's fair.
	Let us assume for a second a man fell into a vat of acid and it burned off his, you know, his junk and it burned all of that completely off.
	Is he still a man?
	Yeah.
	Yes, and aren't there grafts that can be done?
	I'm not talking about like grafting a whole on there, but like.
	Yeah, but let's just assume that they never are.
	Is he still a man?
	Yes.
	Well then I don't understand then if he is still a man how reconstructing anything in that region would not make him a man anymore.
	That I don't understand.
	Yeah, but transgender people take like hormones, like the opposite hormones that they don't have, so it does more than just get body parts.
	Women have estrogen and women have testosterone and men have estrogen and they have testosterone.
	So what they do is they just quantify the hormone.
	But this is just, all that this does is change external appearances.
	It doesn't actually change your sex.
	Right?
	If I might jump in here.
	So we can assume for a second, for instance, that men who have different various medical conditions can up the estrogen in their body and they can grow boobs, literally.
	And if they can do that, you still would not say that they were not men, right?
	Right?
	Yeah, I agree with that, but I think that you should still be like kind to the people who want to transition and call them what they want to be called.
	Sure.
	And I'm not even going to dispute that you believe that.
	All I'm asking is that if they're still the same sex or not.
	Yeah, they are.
	Yeah.
	But I think it's a mental dis maybe not disorder, but like that you were mentally, you feel like you were born in the wrong body, so it still like helps mentally if you just call them by their preferred gender pronouns.
	But do you think that there's something mentally going on if they believe that they were born in the wrong body?
	You mean like from a trauma or like you mentioned mental, so if somebody believes that they are a different gender than what they were born as, do you think that perhaps something is mentally off?
	I think it's like a disorder.
	Yeah.
	So if we're claiming that to be a disorder, what happens if there's the classic argument of an honorexic person has a mental disorder and they believe that they need to go get liposuction?
	Should we affirm that person and allow them to go get that surgery?
	But I think like there are the anorexic people.
	They have a chance to heal or like get not anorexic anymore, but well, if they go, it's not like I think like every tenth person dies from it.
	I think I've heard a study but there are plenty people who have been underweight and went through therapy, and it's a lot of time, of course, but they have healed from it.
	But their therapy is not affirming the disorder no right, but um, because it's something you can heal from.
	But trans, to be trans you can't heal from it.
	So like I don't think there's like worth drawing it.
	You can't change your belief of what you.
	If it's like a disorder disorder, I don't think so, because I think anorexic is more like you being sick and I feel like a mental disorder is something else to me.
	Yeah, mental disorder is like depression.
	I mean like anorexia can definitely start mentally, but I don't.
	I think anorexia mental disorder.
	yeah so I mean just going back to your thing about the hormones and stuff you said that they're on like hormones hormone replacement yeah so I mean but do you think the differential between men and women comes down to solely the endocrine system that's a hard question can someone else answer that Well that the endocrine system, like regulates hormones and stuff.
	So I'm just trying to understand.
	You said well, they're on hormones, but it's not clear to me if the endocrine system is the sole differential between men and women.
	No, and like again, I don't think they can ever change their gender completely, or sex or whatever you want to call it.
	I just think that it's a good indicator that if you take hormones and do the operations and stuff, that you are legit trans, because there are some people who just like, grow out of their hair maybe and don't really make an effort to appear trans, and I don't think those people should be qualified as trans.
	Well, I guess.
	Going back to what I was trying to say when it comes to this, I think I was asking if you guys would agree that transgender people have not changed their sex.
	I think it was only you who had some disagreements there.
	You're on the fence too, but I suppose you could argue that they changed their gender, but I don't think you could ever argue that they change their sex.
	So I mean, if that's the case, then wouldn't they be in a homosexual relationship if it's a male and a male who are dating, regardless of their gender expression?
	I mean, oh sorry, you guys said it was straight.
	I'm providing counter.
	You're saying arguments, wait.
	Okay, say that again.
	I guess.
	I think that if technically speaking yeah, you'd be correct, like if they it would be termed a gay relationship.
	But I think society has changed the meaning a lot, and that goes for many things.
	Societies change the meaning of sex society.
	Societies change the meaning of like.
	But I mean, sexual preference has always been intended as referring to what sex you prefer.
	yeah but I think from what I've seen society ties it up more with gender than sex now even though technically speaking it has to do with sex intersexual male and a female In order to create a baby, does it require a male and a female?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yes, okay.
	So I assume that you believe that two transgender people can have babies, right?
	And that they would still be male and female, right?
	So wouldn't the man in a transgender relationship, what is considered the man, be the carrier then of the baby?
	I have seen that before, yes.
	Yeah, so if you've seen that before, then what we've established here is that their sex hasn't actually changed because only women can produce babies.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
	Yeah, no, and that was kind of my opinion.
	That's more why I was on the fence.
	All right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We've got to move off of that.
	But what were you saying?
	I'm sorry.
	Oh, me?
	Yeah.
	Oh, sorry.
	I thought you said we were moving off of that.
	I was like, okay, my bad.
	I was talking to the gal in pink.
	I'm sorry, I came late, so I didn't catch all your names.
	Go ahead, you know.
	Go ahead.
	But the best, I don't know.
	A way I heard it explained once was it was this trans woman talking about how the issue or what she was addressing was how trans women want to be addressed as women and like, cut the trans portion out or whatever, and that was her whole portion is, you're not a woman, though you're not a natural woman like,
	as much as you want to be, you just aren't, you're not going to be, and you are imitating women like your mother, like your aunties, like your sisters, that you see, that you want to be exactly like, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	I think that's totally fine to each their own, but that was just.
	Her point was, you're not a woman, you're a trans woman.
	You don't have all the parts, you can't do everything.
	How do you feel about the videos of trans male to female who make videos pretending to have period cramps?
	Oh okay, because I actually came across one thing on my tick tock the other day where there was like this trans woman who was male to female talking about how she had a uh cramping no no, like a miscarriage, and I was just like what, how delusional do you have to be Andrew, do you have more on this?
	Do you have more on this?
	Yeah, well, I mean, we'll wrap it.
	We'll wrap it pretty quick.
	But I guess my ultimate question is that if the sex can't change, if, in other words, it requires a woman to have a baby, or only a trans man can have a baby, then we have not actually created a distinct category here.
	We're still in the same category, right?
	This is the same.
	We have not taken a separate ontological approach here.
	This is still in the same exact category.
	If only one sex can have a baby, and whatever configuration that you make around that sex is still the only sex that can have the baby, then whatever you're making around it is in some type of distinct non-category, wouldn't it be?
	So then are we going to put women who are completely infertile in that same category?
	Because they can't have a baby?
	What about men who are completely infertile?
	But only women have the capacity to have babies.
	And men have zero capacity to have babies, right?
	That's where we come up with the category.
	Not because all women can, but because only women can.
	That's how we can make the distinction between womb, man, woman, and man, right?
	So all women can't have babies, we agree.
	But only women can have babies.
	Do we agree with that too?
	So then, therefore, trans only trans men can have babies, right?
	Well, no, I think we all just came to the consensus that we disagree with that.
	Trans men can't.
	Well, wouldn't a trans, yeah, trans man, right?
	Tran uh, okay, no, trans women couldn't have babies, could they?
	Uh, yeah, women, the male.
	Yes, yeah, so only trans men can have babies, but we've we established that the only biological sex that can have babies are women, right?
	Women, that's it.
	So then we've created no new category, we're still just talking about women.
	Well, a woman and then a woman with a busted hormone situation, but yes, I would imagine that that baby being carried by a trans person would all right.
	I'm gonna let some chats come through.
	Sorry, I had to hold them for upset, guys.
	I think it's like physically possible.
	Like, what uh, what the fuck?
	Sorry, I gotta skip that shit.
	What the fuck?
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	Okay.
	Are you not entertained?
	All right, thank you, man.
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	It's hiding thing things and a piece of shit move.
	Men know that different.
	You have to be 100% open.
	Ulysses the Pagan donated $30.
	Should a transgender person reveal that to someone they're dating if they pass?
	In my opinion, it's a lack of informed consent.
	No consent is SA in guise of self-protection.
	Yeah, I would say, yeah, you should 100% disclose it.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Gonna let some more come through.
	Lol Paladins donated $30.
	Thank you, La Pala.
	Can we get some more examples of girl code?
	Don't link up on your best friend's ex.
	No, number one.
	Number one, you don't link up with your girl's ex-boyfriend.
	That's the one code.
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	Roast folks, or is this sensitive time?
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	Thank you, man.
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	Everything falls front of the girls.
	Stand point end of line.
	They are the same sex.
	There is a mental health issue beyond that.
	A mental disorder shouldn't be used to deceit a hormone controller.
	All right, Epirus, thank you for the TTS.
	David Dew Bronco.
	Do Bronco, David.
	Appreciate it, man.
	By the way, some of you are asking questions.
	We can only do one question.
	Max donated $30.
	Ryan and Andrew say one positive thing you have been educated on by a woman in your life.
	Define what being a high-value man is contingent on.
	Are men entitled to a high baseline of opportunity?
	That's three questions we can only do.
	We'll only do one.
	One positive thing you've been educated on by a woman in your life.
	Define what being a high-value man is contingent on.
	Andrew, you go first.
	Go ahead.
	You pick just one of those.
	My mom taught me that not all disco music sucks.
	I have the same exact answer as you, Andrew.
	Appreciate it.
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	Statistically speaking, three of you ladies will be scorned and alone.
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	P.S. name the three branches of U.S. government.
	Legislative, judicial, executive.
	Legislative, judicial, executive.
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	Oh, good show tonight, boys.
	Gonna simp a little bit.
	Always a pleasure to encounter women like Miss Nevada in the world.
	Need more like her in this country.
	Super-based, get your ass to the gym, Brian.
	Working on it, boys.
	Working on it.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Random Ber Adfor donated the saint back to the public approach when a man is with his child, full-time dead.
	What if it's the grocery store and that he just finds you beautiful?
	Still icky?
	This could be a rare opportunity for him.
	I don't think it's icky.
	No.
	No, I don't think it's icky.
	I mean, no.
	I think if you're just coming up to someone and being like, oh, hey, can I get your phone number?
	I think you're really attractive.
	And then you just walk off and continue about your day.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you sit there and talk to them for however long with your child, I think so.
	I think it should just be a very brief interaction if your child has to be present.
	Yeah, early on when there's a child involved.
	MIT underscore Hoody donated $30.
	Brian, please explain to the panel how to properly jumpstart a vehicle step by step with each cable.
	Yeah, Brian.
	Well, see, what I just do is, first off, I have one of those pre-charged thingies in the car that you just, there's the red and the black.
	The black.
	Oh, God.
	You put it on the corresponding thingies.
	Which one's the corresponding thing?
	What are the thingies?
	What are the thingies?
	You know, the positive and the negative.
	There's instructions on the jump there thingy.
	Yeah, I can figure it out.
	I got this easy, boys.
	I've done it.
	Nick saw me jumpstart a car.
	I jump-started.
	What voltage is your battery?
	Bro, I don't know that shit.
	What the fuck?
	You don't know what voltage your battery is?
	No?
	Really?
	No?
	I feel like this is a trick question.
	No, it's not a trick question.
	No, I don't know what the voltage is.
	I don't know what the voltage is.
	What are you trying to do, Andrew?
	What are you trying to do, bro?
	Well, I mean, it says it's like usually in big bold letters right on the battery.
	You never caught how many volts it was?
	I've not committed it to my memory what the voltage is.
	All right.
	What's the voltage on your car, Andrew?
	On all cars, you mean?
	12 volts?
	What is it?
	12 volts?
	12 volts?
	Okay.
	All vehicles, at least that I'm aware of.
	12 volts on cars, yeah.
	That's good.
	It's good.
	Yeah, and so if you want to jump, if you want to jump the car, you would take off your battery covers and you would put your black and your negative first, and then you'd put the negative on the other side, and then you would donated $30 to it.
	For those who are feminists but believe in trends, how do you reconcile fighting for women's rights but allow men to be women and can't say what a woman is?
	War.
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	Given that spanking is considered child abuse, that women are far more likely to engage in this abuse against children than men.
	Would the Pro-Bear panelists like to reconsider their bias against men?
	Max donated $30.
	If the patriarchy doesn't exist statistically by definition, why is Congress?
	Is that it?
	Why is Congress?
	Considered a feminist.
	There's more men.
	What is Congress?
	There's more.
	So basically this is just the argument that men occupy, a very small percentage of men occupy these sort of powerful positions, C-suite, executives, CEOs, et cetera.
	But I mean, I'll just explain it away in a way I like to.
	I mean, there's a bunch of reasons, but if 50% of women are inclined to date men who have or value deeply, to relate it back to dating, if women want men to pay for dates, if they want them to be providers, this creates enough of a mating pressure to make men want to achieve more than women.
	So I'll just blame women.
	It's women's fault.
	Because you desire men to be providers, because you desire men to pay for dates, because you're attracted to high-status men, because you're attracted to powerful men, men will pursue these things in an effort to get the most women, the highest quality women, in order to secure a mate.
	There's other reasons why men want power, but that's a very strong motivating factor.
	So it's women's fault.
	I'd say that's fair, but I'd also argue that men are actually better in those positions of power.
	Well, I'm not making that argument.
	I'm just saying that if there's enough, like there's this, this also is related to the wage gap stuff.
	Why is it that men, and which is actually debunked, but if I just grant that there is a wage gap, why is it that men earn more money than women?
	Well, if 50, 60% of women want men to be providers and will only won't date a broke man, no scrubs, TLC, no scrubs, bills, bills, bills, what have you done, blah, blah, all this stuff.
	If there's enough of a mating pressure coming from women directed towards men, wouldn't that just explain away the wage gap?
	And if there's no corresponding pressure on women to be providers and to make money, wouldn't that just explain away all this shit and why you find men in positions of power?
	Because women desire men in positions of power.
	You can't really say the same thing about men.
	It's not really an attraction trigger.
	Does anybody disagree?
	You just all agree or you just want to be silent?
	I feel like not all women desire men in power.
	Sure, that's funny.
	Do you think all women desire a man who can provide for them?
	I don't.
	You don't desire men at all.
	Oh, right.
	But if we're looking, speaking generally, if even 50% of women say the guy has to pay for the first aid, he has to be a provider.
	He has to be able to hold down the household.
	And then there's like 1% of men who can say, I don't even think it's 1% of men who are prepared to say, I want a woman to pay for first aids.
	I want a woman to be a provider.
	I want the woman to be the sole breadwinner and I want to stay at home.
	First off, those men are going to struggle far more in the dating marketplace than women who have the exact same standard that they do for men.
	So, I mean, it's just, it's honestly, there's plenty of factors, but it can just really just be explained away by women's own preferences.
	And actually, men have a, men want women more than men want women more than women want men.
	Yeah, I feel like it's a matter of money.
	Like men have a higher sex drive.
	Men are much more motivated by being able to secure courtship or not and secure a romantic partner or whatever.
	Okay.
	Okay, I'll just ask you guys a question.
	Do you guys think men care about your career?
	No.
	Doctor, you want to be a doctor, don't you?
	Don't you want to be a doctor?
	Do you think, huh?
	I don't think it depends.
	Don't know.
	Yeah, maybe.
	You guys aren't offended.
	You guys are going to sit here and not be offended that I just said men probably don't really care in terms of what they find attractive.
	In terms of what they find attractive, you won't be more attractive.
	You won't be more attractive to a man if you have various academic achievements.
	You get your bachelor's degree, master's degree, PhD.
	You won't be more attractive to a man because you have a high status or high-paying job.
	It's really not important to men.
	You guys have no objections to this.
	So some it is women.
	As women in college, look at you sitting there with your crossed arms.
	Why don't you tell us how you really feel?
	The men I've dated have looked for those, so I do disagree, but it's also preference.
	I don't know.
	The men you've dated have looked for what?
	Education, high levels of education, good careers.
	You haven't graduated from university.
	You haven't achieved the high level of, I mean, you're saying that's what they look for.
	What's that?
	In our future.
	Wait, didn't you say that you're still a virgin and not by choice?
	Yes.
	Wait, what?
	By choice?
	No, she's voluntarily celibate.
	By choice.
	Or are you a no?
	I thought that you said that you weren't going to wait till marriage.
	Yes, but I haven't met the right guy.
	Yeah, right.
	You haven't met the right guy.
	You've only met guys who are interested in your education, right?
	And you haven't given it up to any of them, right?
	So they haven't been the right guy.
	No.
	Yeah, so maybe try a construction worker.
	I don't know.
	Somebody's not too interested in the education.
	So I used to believe that lie that men look for women who have a career or have education, or at least the principle that I used to operate under is if I'm going to demand that of a man, I should at least be able to deliver that, which is why, part of the reason why I got my degree and then I started down my career.
	And then my dating preference was always the man had to make as much money as myself or hire, right?
	And when you look at men, they really honestly don't care.
	And it wasn't until I got with my fiancé and it offended me at first because I worked so hard to get to where I was to making the amount of money that I was making.
	And he made it abundantly clear, like that does not matter at all.
	So there's such a lie that's being fed to women.
	You don't need the degree to impress the guy.
	You don't need the career.
	I think a lot of women would be better off staying out of debt, not getting that degree, and being honest.
	And if they want to be traditional, find a traditional man and just skip the whole heartache of going through college because I'm telling you, I wasted a lot of time and money.
	And I just want to make one thing clear here.
	I don't have any objections to women pursuing higher education.
	If you want, totally great.
	I think we should be, and I mean this in the most charitable way, we ought to be exploiting women's intelligence and manpower, especially if they want to research things like cancer.
	I think we should be throwing all our manpower, and I suppose woman power too, although manpower encompasses woman power, into researching these things and trying to find cures for Alzheimer's and cancer and et cetera.
	And if women can assist in this endeavor, I think it's expedient, not expedient, it's good to do so.
	But when we're talking about dating, when we're talking about what men and women find attractive, it's not clear to me, Andrew is laughing.
	He's like, nah, It's not clear to me if, like, a man will find you more attractive because you're a lawyer or a doctor or you've got to.
	Can you be afraid of being called a gold digger all the time?
	Like, that was my fear when I would pursue wealthy men.
	And I didn't want to be called a gold digger, so I wanted to be able to say, like, well, I bring this to the table, so I'm not a gold digger, you know?
	Right?
	At least that was my thought process as a 21-year-old.
	I don't necessarily hurt in a relationship, but like if a guy has a choice between like an attractive, pleasant, nice girl who works at Chick-fil-A, who makes minimum wage, and like a 30-year-old female attorney, he's picking the chick.
	He's picking the girl who works at Chick-fil-A.
	Right.
	Well, I know, at least for me, I work at a little home daycare, and anytime I tell a guy that I work at a daycare, he's just like, oh, damn, those lucky kids.
	What I wouldn't do to have, like, be one of your students.
	Like, what I would do if you were my teacher.
	And I'm just like, okay.
	It's always just made into like a fetishizing thing.
	Wait, what?
	Well, I don't think you should be offended.
	I think that's.
	I'm not offended.
	It just seems that that's the only reason guys care is because they think it's hot that I'm like a little preschool teacher.
	They find it attractive that you're good at caring for children.
	Yeah, they've never said it that way, though.
	Well, men are never going to say things the way that women want them to say it.
	Okay, okay, so hang on.
	Yeah, let me see if I get this right, though.
	No, you could just say that.
	I want to know if you're full of it here.
	You're good with kids.
	Do they come off like it's fetishizing or do they say, damn, those are lucky kids?
	Yeah, I mean, some of them are just like.
	That's not fetishizing to say that.
	What they're doing is they're trying to give you a compliment and tell you that they think that you're beautiful.
	They're not trying to fetishize nothing.
	And so what they do is they take an occupation that you're familiar with and they make an offhand comment like that because it's funny and it's witty and they think that they can in that way call you beautiful without it sounding sappy.
	No, it's just immature.
	Sorry, boys.
	I think it's just immature.
	You could just tell me that.
	I think it's immature to compliment women at all because you're all just brats about it and finding out fancy shit.
	It's a dead.
	Just always brat.
	I wouldn't compliment any of them.
	It's just always a bad idea.
	Always a bad idea.
	I just wouldn't do it.
	That's totally okay.
	That's not okay.
	For undisturbed.
	Ladies, Brian proved everyone needs random men in their life to help them on a daily basis, not bears.
	That's true.
	All right, thank you for the patriarchy.
	Appreciate it.
	Like, how would it be?
	All men have a percentage of gay in them.
	It's just a matter of how gay are gay.
	Lolo men are gay.
	What percent of gay are you?
	That's funny.
	Okay.
	I guess so.
	200 Empire is 29 donated $69.
	I'll save the three girls by Brian.
	Thank you.
	Cool.
	Sweet.
	So I just think there's more coming through, just FYI.
	There's a problem.
	Oh, okay.
	I was just wondering very quickly, what is the proper way for a man to compliment you?
	For me personally, I would just rather match them come up to me and say, hey, I think you're really pretty.
	Just something nice and plain and simple and not something that can be weirdly misconstrued.
	To the point.
	So no extra credit for being witty, for like for trying to figure out a way to compliment you while also being kind of funny.
	No extra credit for that.
	I like that.
	I don't appreciate being told back, oh, I wish you were my teacher.
	I don't appreciate that.
	It's not funny to me.
	I think it just depends how you perceive it.
	It's going to be miserable.
	Just underneath Why do we come?
	Brian's lack of car knowledge lost all my respect.
	Now, due strictly to physical limitations, Big Red is the only one in the room I look up to.
	Okay.
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	Mike Mafia donated $30.
	Connect the battery terminals to the sleepy Asian girl in glasses.
	Her BS stories about being bored of men and wasting their time is a joke.
	Fake.
	Okay.
	David Truzechiak donated $31.
	Thank you, bro.
	Sent a pic of Bronco shirt.
	To roast, I can't.
	Everyone was nice, and I hope Tom Brady runs for Veep and Andrew quit smoking.
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	Curtis underscore Leon underscore donated $30.
	Makeup remote.
	Makeup removal time.
	Go on my Instagram.
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	So for Valtrades.
	We have quite a few more coming through.
	School, thing for the Twitch sub.
	Michigan Christian donated $30.
	Why is she not here?
	You are very beautiful.
	And I respect your work to focus on God.
	I'm not far from MSU.
	I'd love to meet you, even if it means weighters.
	She's going to say no.
	I'll reach her.
	Bow video.
	All right.
	We'll do the bow video.
	Go ahead, pull it up.
	I want you to.
	Boom!
	Huge bow.
	Love it.
	Bow, that's funny.
	Huge.
	I think women should, like, like your girlfriend or whatever, like, even first date, I think a girl should, like, hit a bow for you.
	It shows respect.
	And this is like me coming home after my like long podcast session.
	She's got my beer ready.
	She's going to stir my noodles.
	Dinner's ready.
	You know, not stirring it fast enough, so she picks up the pace.
	And then just, yeah, let's have sex.
	One more time.
	The bow, though.
	The bow.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	Huge.
	Would you guys bow for your would you guys bow going around the table?
	Would you bow for your partner?
	Sure.
	Yes.
	Yeah, you do it.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	If he bows to me, then yeah, no, he doesn't bow to you.
	No, wouldn't do it.
	Has to go both ways.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I want to be opposed to it, but I probably wouldn't do it every single time.
	I would, but my husband told me no.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, if he'd asked me to, no.
	Morgan?
	No.
	Damn, Morgan.
	What the fuck?
	You do it.
	If he asked me to, yeah.
	Okay.
	Robert Prett donated $30.
	Question to the panel: Women being the gatekeepers of sex and men the gatekeepers of marriage.
	Who is the prize?
	Just really quick, who's the prize?
	Men or women?
	Woman.
	Who's the prize?
	Women.
	I don't know.
	Can we move this on, please?
	Oh, sorry.
	I don't know.
	I guess women both.
	Yes, they're both.
	I think men.
	Both.
	Both.
	Women are the prize, but women should prize their men.
	There you go.
	Are there more attractive women or more attractive men?
	Women.
	We can pretty much have a lot of money.
	So then, how is it not the man?
	How is the man not the prize then?
	You'd be lucky.
	Because the man's value is not defined by his physical appearance.
	Well, I mean, attractive in general.
	So, okay.
	So, it's other things beyond just his physical appearance, too.
	Correct.
	Which is also more rare than female beauty.
	If he's a leader, shouldn't he be the prize of the household?
	So, then men should be the prize.
	The logic here Brian's getting after is that if far more men are less attractive than women, then that means there's a broader pool for men to choose from of attractive women and less of a pool of attractive men for women to choose from.
	So, if there's less of us to choose from than there are you, then wouldn't that necessarily make that small pool of men the prize?
	Yeah, Zilva underscore Amsterdam donated $30 and one cent.
	Re women's contribution to science.
	The Indian COVID vaccine team were mostly women.
	Indian Space Agency, Israel Moon Mission, mostly women and control center.
	Lots of places they could contribute.
	Yeah, that's totally fine.
	Doesn't mean they're more attractive to men in a dating.
	What do you call it when two mid-transsexuals have sex?
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	If it's socially unacceptable to push your religion onto others, then how come it is when it comes to gender views?
	It's a fair question.
	Okay, cool.
	Max donated $30.
	Conflating compatibility with sexual attractiveness.
	You want to be bored with a hot wife who will eventually grow old?
	There's a wage gap.
	I make a ton more than most men.
	Make me a sandwich.
	What's Jay saying?
	Low paladins donated $30.
	Stop coping black hoodie.
	You had a good man.
	You scared him off with your broken feminist conditioning.
	You say you want friendly compliments, but you're not attracted to any man that would.
	Damn.
	That's crazy.
	Cool.
	All right.
	We had while you were gone, Kaylani, this one came here.
	Michigan Christian donated $30.
	I like this voice.
	Kaylani, you are very beautiful.
	Your views have been spot on, and I respect your will to focus on God.
	I'm not far from MSU.
	I'd love to meet you, even if it means waiting.
	Any contact info/slash socials?
	Answered for you.
	Mike Mafia donated $30.
	Sorry, I can't get over this.
	There is no way I trust a surgery done by sleepy yawning glasses/slash lion girl who wants to be a part of it.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	It's past her bedtime.
	Good luck, world.
	Okay.
	I like this voice, man.
	I'm going to keep it maybe.
	Let's see here.
	What else?
	What else was there?
	Wait, we did the bow video.
	There's something else.
	I don't know.
	We're going to do a Twitch raid.
	We're going to raid Andrew.
	I'm trying to think.
	Oh, my.
	What was the other thing?
	It was so good.
	No, it wasn't that.
	It wasn't that.
	Oh, me getting cut in half.
	No, took no time.
	Hold on.
	Andrew, I'm going to get set up here to raid you.
	Are we not going to see you flexing?
	Nobody did the champagne pop.
	We were a boring panel.
	Sorry, everybody.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Hold on.
	One sec, guys.
	I'm doing.
	What was the other thing?
	There was another thing.
	Oh, it's going to bug me so much.
	Oh, wait, wage gap.
	Did somebody bring up the wage gap?
	Or I think that was in a comment.
	Oh.
	Since we have a couple Asian women here, what do you guys think about the whole Asian women out earning white men?
	What do you think of that?
	Congrats, guys.
	I didn't know that, but that's awesome.
	W in the chat person.
	That's awesome.
	Overcoming the white man.
	Let's go.
	Can you pull up the infographic, Nick?
	I don't want them to think I'm faking this.
	It's absolutely true.
	Absolutely true.
	Bada bing.
	Bada boom.
	It's probably in the wage gap infographics folder.
	I can try to find it if you can't.
	Should be wage.
	Wage.
	Asian women.
	It's the yeah, that works.
	Look at that.
	W Asian women.
	You guys have overtaken the white man.
	Good job.
	Can we get a round of applause for Asian women?
	Oh, my God.
	Damn, bro.
	Holy shit.
	That was crazy.
	Okay.
	Congrats.
	Congrats.
	You guys did it.
	You guys overcame oppression and all that stuff.
	I'm proud of you guys.
	I'm proud of you guys.
	I am passing the storm.
	The whatever it's called.
	Okay.
	We're going to do Twitch raid, Nick.
	If we can't.
	Who are we going to raid?
	Who are we going to raid?
	We got Woe Grandma.
	We got Aladar.
	We got S Fand.
	We're going to do Aladar.
	All right, guys.
	I'm going to do my outro.
	So, GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please.
	On your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You've been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Your patronage is very much appreciated, really.
	I want to thank all you guys who sent in a TTS or a message or what have you.
	Thank you guys.
	We will be live again Sunday.
	Asian women.
	Who the F said 22 bucks?
	It was 102 bucks.
	I thought y'all were supposed to be good at math.
	Hey.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	07's in the chat.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Nick, could you pull up Aladar?
	I'm gonna give him a raid.
	He's playing World of Warcraft classic fresh vanilla.
	All right.
	I'm gonna send that over in just a moment.
	07's in the chat.
	Oh, wait, really quick.
	Ah, shit.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait, Nick, pull up Twitch really quick.
	We got to do our last Twitch shout-out.
	My bad, I forgot that.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Twitch.tv, drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Guys, really quick, check if you have an available prime sub in the chat.
	It's been 19 minutes since we got a prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	Help, help.
	Help.
	Drop us a follow also on your way out, guys.
	Drop us a prime sub if you have one.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Pull it back to Aladar.
	I'm going to send that over in just seven seconds.
	Like I said, he's playing World of Warcraft classic fresh.
	Refresh it.
	You're going to have to refresh it probably.
	Okay.
	You got it.
	All right, guys, for watching on Twitch.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate your support over there on Twitch.
	I'm going to send the raid.
	Damn, his hair's going to be.
	All right, let's go to Thunderbluff.
	It's got better than that.
	Andrew.
	Hey, whatever.
	What's up, man?
	He's playing an orc.
	I was watching some of the whatever podcast today.
	Can you hear us?
	No.
	How's it going?
	I watched some of your podcast today, actually, before I had to go out.
	World's tallest human or longest legs for a woman.
	If you guys haven't seen this, this woman's got legs that are longer than Alex Enchil.
	Amazing.
	I guess it's another streamer.
	Three-inch legs or something like that, or 52 inches?
	Crazy.
	Welcome, everyone.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's it for that.
	Welcome, welcome, welcome.
	You can stop that.
	I just want to double check here, make sure we have the raid.
	All good to go for Andrew.
	We do.
	These girls know sign language or something.
	I'm not sure entirely what.
	Were you doing gang signs?
	What were you doing, bruv?
	It was her birthday yesterday.
	So she turned 20.
	Happy birthday.
	Like yesterday or like right just right now?
	Oh, I guess, yes.
	Like, what time is it?
	12:33.
	23rd.
	So yesterday or yesterday.
	So today, technically.
	Yeah, just letting you know it's all downhill at 20.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	I know.
	Congrats.
	Your life is over.
	Anyways, 07's in the chat.
	Guys, we're sending a raid over to Andrew.
	Be sure to drop him a sub when you're over there.
	Always good to have Andrew in the chat in the show.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I enjoy your perspective.
	Final word.
	Yeah, it was nice to meet all you guys.
	Hope to see all of you back.
	Except for the troll back there.
	But all the rest of you, you're okay.
	She's coming back.
	Hi, Andrew.
	All right.
	Okay, 07's in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night, and we will see you Sunday with the next dating talk.
	Good night, guys.

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