Whatever Podcast - Andrew Wilson vs. SUPER Feminists! Misandrist? She HATES Brian?! 300+ Body Count?

July 31, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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Andrew Wilson vs. SUPER Feminists! Misandrist? She HATES Brian?! 300+ Body Count? | Dating Talk #183

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	With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hello, I'm Luna Baby.
	I am 30.
	I currently live in Vegas, grew up in LA.
	And my occupation, I do social media and porn.
	All right.
	How long have you been in the adult industry?
	On and off for 10 years.
	I took a good long break and then went back to it after 2021.
	How many scenes have you shot?
	Mainstream or for my personal business?
	Mainstream, I guess.
	Mainstream?
	Maybe we're up around eight or ten.
	Eight or ten?
	Yeah, I started mainstream last January.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Liza.
	I'm 28.
	I live in Isla Vista, but I just moved from Chicago.
	I'm a singer-songwriter, but I just am a front agent at a desk, or at a desk, at an inn.
	Are you a solo artist or are you?
	A solo artist, yeah.
	What kind of music?
	It's like pop, indie pop, I would say.
	Are you a soprano?
	I guess more of a mezzanine.
	Can we hear a little demo?
	Oh, Jesus.
	I guess.
	What do you want to hear?
	You're single.
	My single.
	I don't have a single.
	You're you songwrit?
	Yeah, I'm a songwriter mainly.
	Okay.
	So I don't know if I want to give that away.
	What you got for us?
	What you got for us?
	No, I can do it.
	I'll do a chorus.
	I'll do a chorus.
	Okay, we're ready.
	If you knew you would hate me, the way that I learned to hate you.
	If you saw through the wall, you want to go down and burn it all.
	And I'm not a virginatic.
	I just think you've been avoiding the truth.
	What's a daughter to do?
	Okay, all right.
	There you go.
	What was the lyric there, Virgin Matic?
	What?
	So it's if you knew you would hate me the way that I hate you.
	If you saw through the wall, you want to burn it all.
	I'm not over dramatic.
	I just think you've been avoiding the truth.
	Overdramatic.
	I heard virgin matic.
	Virgin.
	I know.
	I'm trying to enunciate, but I'm nervous.
	So you're from?
	Did you go to school here?
	No, I'm from, I was born in New York, and then we moved to LA when I was a teenager.
	And then I went to a troubled teen school in Arizona.
	And then I moved back to California.
	And then I moved to Chicago when the pandemic hit.
	You went to a dangerous mind school.
	Yes.
	What'd you do?
	You know, all the stuff they said not to talk about here.
	Just like a troubled childhood.
	I had a really rough time growing up.
	And I was really depressed.
	And a lot of the things were just, I was reacting to my childhood.
	And so now that my frontal lobe is developing and I am there, like analyzing myself and seeing where I've gone from.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Well, that's fine.
	I know, that's what I mean.
	Like, it's done, but now that I am putting it into practice and not just relying on emotion, trying to think more logical.
	Okay.
	Was it an all-girl school?
	Yeah.
	Was it in Lake Montezuma?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I used to live downtown.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's fucking wild.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not supposed to say that.
	That's really wild.
	Sorry.
	Quick question, by the way.
	Are your glasses prescription?
	Yeah, I'm really blind.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right.
	What's up, yeah?
	I'm Alex Kane.
	I'm 22.
	I live in Las Vegas and I do adult film.
	All right.
	And you always lived in Vegas?
	No, I'm from Ohio.
	Oh, from Ohio.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so newly moved.
	No, I've been in Vegas for about two years, and I was in Miami before Vegas.
	So, yeah.
	All right, cool.
	And did you said you do adults?
	Adult film, yeah.
	What about you?
	So I recently just quit my job two weeks ago in property management.
	And I just got age.
	Oh, sorry.
	It's okay.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm a little nervous.
	I'm Delaney.
	I'm 27, and I am been in Santa Barbara the last 10 years.
	I'm originally from San Diego.
	And I just recently quit my job because I found it to be an extremely toxic work environment.
	And I'm starting a new career in a week.
	What were you doing?
	I worked in student housing.
	I can't, I'm not going to say the company specifically, but I was a property manager for a couple years, and I am now going into the medical industry.
	So totally 180.
	And you said it was a toxic work environment.
	It was.
	Because of the renters, the people you worked for.
	The people I worked for.
	I think that major landlords, especially in Santa Barbara where there's a housing crisis, have a responsibility, you know, especially student landlords when students here are, you know, low-income and trying to get by.
	So seeing them constantly take advantage of people is what drove me out of it because I want to help people.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	All right.
	Hi, everybody.
	I'm Taylor Ferber, 33.
	The grandma on this panel.
	Although, I don't know, you had a little salt and pepper, you might have to.
	You took some MILF.
	Ron, for my money.
	Let's go.
	Although I don't have saggy tids, but I am the MILF.
	I'll take the honorary MILF role on this.
	You're getting the title for tonight, aren't you?
	I guess so.
	Unless somebody has kids, anybody has to do that?
	My oh, my.
	I don't even have kids, but hey, I'll take that.
	You'll still take the title.
	There you go.
	I am formerly in LA.
	I'm in Nashville now.
	I was a red carpet reporter.
	Playboy called me the Celebrity Whisperer.
	And I now host the podcast, Talk to Me Taylor.
	We love a shameless plug.
	So there you have it.
	All right.
	Cool, cool.
	Hi, everyone.
	My name is Brianna.
	I'm 21.
	I'm originally from Riverside, but now I'm here.
	One sec.
	Mike Oxmaw donated $200.
	After Destiny beat you in that debate, Andrew, I think I will take my money over to Destiny's channel and learn to debate there.
	Kamala 2024.
	Let's fight for women's equality.
	America is ready for her.
	I just want to point out that even if, even if, and he didn't, Destiny beat me in that debate, other men did fuck his wife.
	I just want to point that out.
	I don't want any confusion that other men fuck Destiny's wife.
	All right, just saying.
	I thought it was a cordial conversation, right?
	I only saw like 20.
	It was a very cordial conversation.
	I didn't even bring up the fact that other men fuck his wife or nothing.
	I didn't bring that up.
	Debate scale strong.
	He's going to put you back on the blacklist, Andrew.
	He already did.
	That's why I don't care.
	Wait, he put you back on the back.
	Yeah, he put me back on it again.
	You got off the blacklist.
	And it's like, no blacklist, blacklist.
	Beat him in a debate.
	Go right back on the blacklist.
	That's how it goes.
	Snip, snap, snip, snap.
	Rude.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, wait, that was interrupting your introduction.
	You said you're 21.
	Oh, yeah, I'm 21.
	Originally from Riverside, California, but I'm a student here at UCSB.
	All right.
	What do you study?
	I'm Psych and Brain Sciences.
	Psych and Brain Sciences.
	Cool, cool.
	And you're going into your senior year?
	I am, yeah.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	I'm Lala.
	I'm 30.
	I'm from Northern Arizona, and I'm a property manager for off-grid glamour camping Airbnbs.
	Glamping?
	Yeah, glamping.
	Nice.
	And I stream on an adult campsite, and I also am a shameless executive producer of The No Agenda Show.
	Okay, cool, cool, cool.
	Welcome back.
	Welcome back.
	You were previously on a pretty interesting panel we had.
	Yep.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, so my name is Andrew Wilson, the host of The Crucible, the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube, to my knowledge.
	I am a political satirist, a political analyst, official beater of Destiny in all debates, and occasionally I like to get into debates on whatever and talk to people.
	All right, welcome, everybody.
	So we're going to get into our Roastmaster Glocktavius donated $200.
	This panel is what happens when women drink during pregnancy.
	What the f- Hey!
	They don't look like the type of people to eat popcorn with a spoon.
	Q. What years were World War I/slash World War II?
	Also, name one Allied power and one access power.
	Okay, we haven't even gotten through our hellos yet.
	The AIs.
	Well, we're gonna get through hello.
	We'll get into the, so we'll, we'll do that really quick, then we'll do the relationship stats.
	Glocktavius, that's a crazy name.
	I thought it said talk is small, Tavia is something.
	So in that case, like, I don't know, buddy.
	Anyways, so the question is: what years were World War I and World War II?
	And name, I think he's for World War II, name one Allied power, one access power.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	World War II was in the 1940s, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I don't remember the exact year it started.
	Fair enough.
	You want to do decades?
	What about World War I?
	Around the Great Depression, right?
	1920s?
	Is that right?
	I'm not going to pretend to remember.
	Want to take a shot?
	It's okay.
	Oh, name one Allied power.
	I'm trying to learn one Allied power, one axis power, World War II.
	I guess we're.
	Brain going blank.
	I'm sorry.
	Uh allied power would be the one I can think of, I don't think I can name right now.
	You want to?
	Oh, okay.
	What about you?
	We can just skip.
	No, come on, guys.
	You gotta give it a shot.
	I'm embarrassed because I don't know.
	Okay, so World War II.
	Yeah.
	One Allied power, one Axis power.
	So country.
	Name country.
	Ally.
	Is the United States one of them?
	And then Axis powers?
	Axis would be Germany.
	All right, World War I, World War II, year.
	A year, I don't know.
	I'll go in the next year.
	No, you got it.
	I'll give a specific year and then let's say 1943 for World War II.
	And then let's say World War I was, I don't know, 1918.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	I believe World War I was early 30s because I thought the Depression was right at the end of the 20s.
	And then I think World War II was like, like you said, 43, like mid-40s.
	I think the United States was actually an Axis power, but I could be, I feel like an idiot, honestly.
	It's kind of shameful.
	And then I'd say an allied power was France and Allen.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Okay, I feel like World War I was the 1910s.
	World War II, 1940s.
	Some of our allies, you know, UK, adversaries, Japan, Italy, obviously Germany, like you said.
	I'm going to guess World War II, 1944, maybe.
	And then World War I, also 1920s.
	Powers, I'd say France.
	That's my guess.
	Axis.
	Oh.
	Germany.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	World War I, 1910s, World War II, 1940s.
	Allied powers would be the United States, France, Russia?
	Yeah, because they were again.
	Yeah, the Axis was Germany.
	Oh, yeah, Russians, they were the ones that...
	Axis?
	Yeah, the Axis.
	Japan, Germany, and Italy.
	All right.
	There you go.
	What about the guys?
	What about the guys?
	Wait, Brian and Angel, do you guys think?
	World War I, 1914, 1918, World War II, 1939, 1945.
	And then, well, you guys already named some of the things.
	Go ahead, Brian.
	Let's go.
	Let's hear it.
	Are you Googling it, Brian?
	I was close.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Who said 1930?
	Hey, it's okay.
	It's okay.
	Okay, it's all right.
	World War I wasn't, you know.
	It was only the second biggest war.
	No big deal.
	NBD.
	NBD, no big deal.
	You shouldn't know.
	All right.
	Brian Google, they're going to get into relationship status.
	So, what's your current relationship status?
	Single talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polypec, sex, cold harem, whatever it may be.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Currently single, been single for, I would say, two years.
	What was the last part of the question?
	I'm sorry.
	Longest relationship.
	Longest relationship.
	Three years?
	Three years.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you said you've been single for two years.
	Have you had any shorter term anything in those two year, in the two-year period?
	Not really.
	A couple people, you know, the fellow people in the industry that I was friends with.
	It was fun for the time being, and then that was pretty much it.
	Do you date civilians?
	No.
	I feel like I don't want to have to make someone be okay with what I do.
	And I, you know, I know it's not for everybody.
	And personally, it just gets in the way of my career and my job.
	And I enjoy what I do.
	Do you find that as far as the preferences of the male porn stars, that do they have a preference to date other women in the industry?
	Or do they prefer to date like regular girls, I guess?
	Civilians went around.
	Some people start in the industry already in long-term relationships.
	People who enter the industry who then try to date normal people, I've just been told that it just doesn't work out because jealousy and stuff like that gets in the way, which is understandable with our work.
	Yep.
	And most of the time, they're just bouncing from each other.
	It's just this whole communal.
	I don't know if I can say the word some.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm engaged to Delaney.
	Okay.
	The longest relationship I've had is three years.
	Three years.
	But we've known each other.
	We went to the school together.
	So we met when we were 15, 16.
	She was my first girlfriend when I was 15.
	Oh, so you guys dated in the trouble teen industry we met.
	The trouble teen industry.
	But then we were best friends for a while, and then we just got together like this year, finally.
	And so you guys are engaged?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And how long have you been together recently?
	I moved from Chicago in May.
	In the beginning of May.
	But we were doing long distance since the beginning of the year.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And have you only been in relationships with women?
	No, I've been in relationships with both.
	Same for you.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	The longest relationship I was in was about a year and a half long.
	And what?
	I've been single for like three or four months, somewhere around there.
	Was it the one point?
	You said 1.5-year relationship?
	Yeah.
	Is that the one that ended up 4.5 years?
	That was the one that just ended.
	Yeah.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	So, yeah.
	Was he also in the industry?
	No, he was a civilian service Civi.
	That's how I'll reference people usually.
	Why did you end things?
	He cheated on me.
	So, yeah.
	Wait, hold on.
	And you do boy girl content.
	Yeah, I do.
	Yeah.
	And he cheated on you with someone that I didn't know about.
	That's where the cheating comes in.
	More lying, I guess.
	I mean, it's cheating and lying.
	But to be clear, so you, while in a relationship, monogamous relationship with you, he was having sex with other women.
	It was like more like an emotional thing, which I kind of found worse.
	He was like talking to someone.
	Oh, killer cereal donated $200.
	My new favorite question for the panel.
	I haven't written down embarrassing moment on a date.
	Brian, apologies for last episode.
	That screeching banshee was under my skin.
	Didn't mean to be demanding.
	Hey, Killer Cereal.
	All good, man.
	By the way, I don't know if you caught the end of the show.
	We had forgotten to ask this precise question.
	I have it written down in my notes here to actually ask it, and I have your name here.
	Sorry that we kind of missed it there.
	Just a pretty hectic show, but you didn't have to do that.
	I was actually going to ask that, but thank you for the TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Really good seeing the stream.
	So you said it was emotional cheating.
	Yeah, he was like talking to someone for like over a month, and it was just like, I don't know, we were falling off at that point, anyways.
	So I kind of understood, but it still is like saddening.
	So he didn't like have hugo?
	No, as far as I know, at least.
	I mean, who knows?
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	He didn't have any issues with the fact that you were like sleeping with men for work, right?
	He kind of had issues at first, but like, I don't know, then it just like went away, I guess, and he just didn't care anymore.
	Question, did you meet him prior to starting work in the industry?
	No.
	So I've been in the industry for about four years.
	He knew going on.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	But then as the relationship developed, he started to have an issue with it.
	Well, yeah, like is it like as it developed in the beginning, he had an issue and then it went away and it was like fine and then we broke up basically.
	Would there be like a waiting period?
	Like if you have a scene, like would he want to wait to like smash?
	No, we never like talked about that at least.
	Like would you tell would you give him like a heads up?
	Like a I mean he knew.
	I would be like, hey, I'm going to a shoot today.
	What's that?
	I'd be like, hey, I'm going to a shoot today.
	What if it's like a shoot, but there's like no D?
	Like it's just.
	Did you guys ever do the deed after you went to a shoot?
	I mean, not that I can think of.
	I know I didn't write it down.
	I don't know.
	She was not keeping track, not keeping track.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm curious what he took issue with.
	Like, is it insecurity?
	Is it you have dealt with a similar thing with, you know, not every man definitely wants to see the person they love getting pounded on TV.
	Other people don't care.
	I feel like that's something that if you are seeking, like if you are in the industry and you want to go and get into a relationship with a civilian, that is something that, you know, should be discussed.
	And learn your boundaries from each other.
	Like maybe it's no kissing.
	Maybe don't call them this or that, whatever the boundary may be.
	It's up to the two people to respect each other's boundaries.
	And if it's something you can't do, then you know that obviously that relationship just isn't for you.
	I just ask, I could be generalizing.
	And I don't know, Brian, if you come across this on the show often, but I don't know.
	I feel like a guy who is, I'm generalizing here again, but a guy who's like secure enough in himself and in you and your choices and your power and what you want to do.
	Why would you have an issue with that?
	On the guy's end.
	You know what I mean?
	Like I love what you said about, you know, communicating and being transparent and each other's boundaries.
	Who did say, who said what?
	What does that mean?
	Wait, so you're saying if the guy is secure, he won't have an issue with it.
	Exactly.
	If it's made in the woman's choice and her power and she's well-knowing and full-knowing, like, hey, this is what I do for a living.
	This is what I want to do.
	Then it's like, roll with or roll out.
	Like, they should respect it.
	What does insecurity mean from your perspective?
	Well, if a guy, well, you guys are saying if they're watching you, you know, get smashed, as you said, I assume that that would make them feel insecure, right?
	And you know, sometimes why else?
	Couldn't that just be gross?
	Yeah, I don't think it necessarily means they're insecure.
	It could make people uncomfortable, you know?
	But other than that, I guess what I'm getting at.
	And you guys are guys.
	Let's get to the root of why, though.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But is it stigmatized because it's like, quote, gross?
	It's like, what do you mean Hulk and Explain?
	Remove the air quotes on gross, by the way.
	But go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, it's not a stigmatization.
	It's not a stigmatization.
	From your purview, you believe evolution is true?
	Of course.
	Yeah, so if you believe evolution is true, before we had DNA testing, how would you determine whether or not a child was yours from a male's perspective?
	How would you be able to determine that?
	Hang on.
	I'm talking about in a controlled point.
	Yeah, so hang on.
	Sex, work environment.
	Don't obfuscate, don't obfuscate.
	Hang on, let's stick with this.
	Let's stick with this.
	Let's go, evolution.
	Okay.
	Let's go.
	How would a man determine paternity before there was DNA testing?
	How could he do that?
	How could he determine that's my child?
	Why are we talking about child broken?
	Answer the question.
	I feel like we're getting persecuted.
	Before DNA testing?
	How do you think a man would be able to best determine whether a child was his or not?
	Their partners, how the child.
	So if they were in a relationship where the woman was only sleeping with him and that could be determined she was only sleeping with him, that would assure paternity, right?
	Sure, but if we're talking, okay, so we're for talking evolution.
	You know, knowing about evolution, that going way back, right, men biologically, even now to this day, why men are so visual, so physical, have that impulse to survive, spread their seed, basically bone everybody, right?
	Where women tend to be the nurturers, but wait, hang on a sec.
	Women tend to be the nurturers, right?
	There's a different role that now we're trying to navigate that, like those Neanderthal tendencies in a modern world.
	I know, I'm not sure.
	But by that logic, but by that logic, it could go the other way, right?
	No.
	So let us assume for a moment that you're correct.
	And that every man on planet Earth wants to hump as many women as they possibly can.
	Let's just assume it for the sake of argument that they do.
	That still would have nothing to do with wanting the women that they're sleeping with to sleep with other men.
	And the reason for this is because of the assurance of paternity.
	Women can take the DNA from multiple men, but there's no assuredness that that then is going to be your child.
	That's the problem.
	And so the reason it's ingrained in men to find it revolting when their significant other is sleeping with another person besides them at any point, at least this is most men, is because that's ingrained in us because of that paternality.
	But you're missing my point.
	You said it's revolting for men, right?
	It's a societal standard because of this.
	It's like when a woman sleeps around, she's sociological.
	I'm saying it's biological.
	Wait, wait, hang on.
	When a man sleeps around, he's a stud.
	So by that logic, you say repulse, revolt, it should be the other way around, right?
	Women are like revolted of men sleeping around.
	It's like, I'm just saying.
	Yeah, but it wouldn't be the other way around.
	You're talking about a sociological phenomenon.
	You're proving my point.
	No, I'm not.
	You're talking about a sociological versus a biological phenomenon.
	So the sociology.
	The sociology is meeting with the biology.
	True.
	But why?
	Well, it's meeting with the biology because men are revolted by promiscuous women.
	Women are not necessarily revolted by promiscuous men.
	That's why we've got biology and culturally we've been talking about.
	Hang on, let me finish.
	You can talk in a second.
	I'm almost done.
	Okay, oh, thanks for that.
	Okay, so after so, after we get this foundational principle established that men are generally revolted by promiscuous women, but women are not generally revolted by promiscuous men.
	Biologically, yes, the sociological phenomenons which spiral out of that, that's true, but it's the basis of it is the biological phenomenon.
	I think we're kind of saying the same thing, sort of, not really.
	Can I interject really quick?
	Yeah.
	Just, I wasn't sure if I was going to bring this up earlier, but I'll say in the least detailed way, I used to be a sex worker and I was a sex worker that involved sleeping with men.
	And Liza was, we were in a relationship for a period during that time.
	Is it like, you're talking about prostitution?
	Not exactly, and I don't want to get into the details on here.
	And I did do OnlyFans, so I can relate to some of these ladies.
	I wasn't on professional sets, but were you escorting?
	In a way, I just, I don't really, I don't know if I want to say it on the internet right now, but my point is just...
	What as a fan donated $200?
	Seeing my girl getting pounded out by a bunch of dudes is a hard no for me, dawg.
	Pause.
	Most dudes do not want to wife a girl who sleeps around, even if it's for work purposes.
	Let Andrew Cook.
	Right.
	And so what I'm talking about now is, I think, a really unique perspective as a lesbian with a woman partner.
	And Liza can correct me if I'm wrong, but she loved me through the whole thing.
	She supported me, and there was an insecurity there because of the fact that Liza knows that she's, we used to always joke about it the last 12 years, like she wins.
	Like anyone I've ever dated, they always are insecure on her because they know, like, she's who I love, not grid one motorsports donated $200.
	I missed the bump up to continue the thought when you look back on a life of shattered relationships.
	It was your degenerate behavior that lead to you being alone in the neighborhood cat lady.
	So, grid one, grid one, I appreciate the TTS.
	Yeah, we actually didn't do, we're not doing 69 today.
	We just had a lot to get through, so it's just tuning up.
	But, grid one, really good to see you in the chat.
	Really quick, just before I have you continue, so Andrew's talking about paternity uncertainty, but given the nature of your relationship, since you're both lesbians, there's no scenario where she could doubt the paternity if you two were to have, I mean, you'd have to adopt, or there would have to be some sort of you'd have to have a donor.
	So, it's not, I mean, you're welcome to chime in, but I don't think this is actually addressing Andrew's argument.
	I think it's addressing the insecurity portion, though.
	Just saying my partner didn't feel insecure about me doing those things.
	In fact, she felt supported because that money helped her dreams come together.
	It should be the opposite.
	Well, can I just say one thing?
	That's what, because when I was thinking, like, what would men potentially feel is lacking a security?
	And with that, honestly, we don't have that because there's no worry of a child.
	So, I'm just saying we see the bio, like, how a man could feel that way, and that we didn't experience that.
	That wasn't something that was a point of contention in that specific experience.
	Well, let's back up a little bit when you're talking about insecurity versus security because I hear these terms thrown around a lot.
	Right.
	That's what I want to get to the right.
	I think we perceive them very differently.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that it's harder or easier to gaslight somebody who's secure?
	Way harder, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	Way harder.
	Yeah, way or harder.
	So, if you were to go to a man who is really secure and say, baby, I want to hump other men, would it be harder to convince him?
	Probably, probably, right?
	So, hang on.
	So, it's not that he's insecure, it's that he's so secure that your gaslighting won't work.
	No, right?
	Isn't that what's really going on?
	Yeah, I have a situation.
	Or is it so?
	What you're trying to say is the opposite.
	You're trying to say, He's so insecure that he won't accept this relationship standard.
	No, I say, and according to their logic, they would agree, he's so secure, he won't accept your gaslighting.
	And I also, hang on, to get really quickly to get back to what I was originally talking about with you guys is in trying to have their backs, right?
	And you're kind of proving my point.
	You have this like Madonna Horror complex thing that sadly is like permeated through security.
	I don't even know what that means.
	I'll explain it.
	That's okay.
	I'll explain it to you.
	But I feel like when men are so secure, now granted, porn sex work, that is an extreme thing.
	I'm not saying everybody, oh, okay, be comfortable with that.
	Go on your way, la-de-da.
	It's a personal thing.
	I'm saying if somebody knows you, knows your choices, respects you, respects your work, and they're secure enough to go, you know what?
	I know you shut that part off.
	We're transparent here.
	You know, we have these boundaries.
	I respect you, and you know, nothing can get between us.
	Like, it's me and you, and this is your work, and that's separate.
	I think that's cool, and that's rare.
	And it's just what you guys are saying, sadly, I think just illustrates the boxes our society, whether it be culturally, biological, whatever it is, has put us in now.
	That's all I was trying to say, if that makes sense to you guys.
	I'm not sure how that negates what I said at all.
	Well, because you said a secure guy is gaslit.
	I'm saying a real secure guy who knows the situation they're getting into, knows what you guys have, knows nothing can dismantle that or get in between them.
	I think that's secure.
	He knows what you guys have.
	I'm not in, I'm not a sex worker.
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, how could you have the expectation that a civilian would know what they're signing up for?
	Well, and that's what I wanted to say: is that you don't know it until you're in it, and that's what I think you continue to have conversations.
	But what I was going to bring up was that you brought up that now we do have DNA testing and all of this stuff.
	So if you're thinking about humans still evolving right now, wouldn't that I'm trying to think of how I want to say this.
	Wouldn't that take away that natural insecurity?
	Or do you think that I'm just wondering?
	So evolution is going to happen to an entire species gradually over millions of years.
	Right, but do you think that's happening now?
	Over millions of years.
	How long do you think we've had paternity testing?
	I don't know, not very long.
	Well, how long do you think?
	Not very long is that?
	I mean, probably like yeah, so I was gonna say like 40 years or something.
	You don't think 40 years is long enough to evolve, do you?
	No, not necessarily, but.
	No, no, no, no, hang on, at all.
	At all?
	Then there's all, I don't want to get into that right now.
	I mean, if you're talking about social evolution, that would not be biological evolution.
	Yeah, so I do agree.
	Born before, not that this would change anything.
	Someone could have been before the invent of no, 100%.
	I'm agreeing with you.
	I don't think it could happen in 40 years, but I'm just wondering if you think in the future, yeah, if this is all happening, if the way that we are in the society would affect how our biologically, how we will biologically interact with the world.
	So it would be possible from the evolutionist purview that in four, five, six, seven million years, we will be able to leave that behind us.
	Yes.
	But do you think we should be able to do that?
	I don't think considering that all of recorded human history is about 12,000 years old, recorded human history.
	12,000 years old.
	I don't think that in, yeah, it's going to take a long, long, long time to leave it.
	But I guess I want to follow that up by asking if you think it's headed that way, should we be acting towards that evolution anyway?
	Like, should we change how we act, interact with each other?
	I'm not sure that it's heading that way.
	I'm just telling you that theoretically, if you're asking, is it possible?
	Yeah.
	Then the answer is yes, it's possible.
	In millions of years, you could leave that behind in that purview.
	That doesn't mean we're evolving towards that.
	In fact, it seems like we're evolving away from it.
	And here's why.
	Because reproductive dead ends.
	So right now, the birth rates in the West, the entire world are collapsing.
	Free fall rates.
	Everything is below replacement all over the entirety of the West.
	The reason for this is because women are having children later in life.
	They start about 30.
	The average age for marriage, 30, 31.
	And so, unfortunately, the fertility goes way down.
	100%.
	Way, way, way down.
	So a lot of women are going to end up being reproductive dead ends.
	If that's the case, then probably monogamy is going to make a swing back in a big way.
	So no, I don't think we would be evolving away from it anytime soon.
	Yeah.
	And you have those preferences there, the biological preferences anyway, of men find it revolting to share their women.
	For sure.
	So with that being said, just out of curiosity, you're straight and date women.
	Are you dating right now?
	No, I'm married.
	Oh, you're married.
	Okay.
	So just sheer curiosity.
	When you see your wife or whoever you dated before your wife, whatever it was, like flirting with another man or whatever, is that, does that make you feel a type of way?
	Does that make you feel doubt?
	You're shaking your head.
	Yeah, well, see, because I'm so secure in what my expectations are, right?
	I would feel completely disrespected by that.
	And I would feel secure enough to say something like, what the fuck are you doing?
	That's how that would go.
	Interesting.
	I mean, and I, you know, I get that's your vantage point.
	See, I think that the purview of the most secure man is a man who will tell a woman that they won't accept their bad behavior, whatever that may be.
	So why is flirting bad behavior?
	I'm just debating you from my point of view, right?
	So I have the best guy, like dream relationship, right?
	Hang on, hang on, sexy.
	Bob's trying to answer your question.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, go ahead.
	No, I'm just getting to the root.
	When you say bad behavior is flirting, it's like, why is that bad behavior?
	That's what I was trying to answer.
	Okay.
	It's because of respect.
	But, okay, so I just am going to disagree.
	And that's okay.
	We can have healthy disease.
	Exactly.
	We can have a healthy discussion.
	Okay, well, let me ask you this.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Let us assume any random man, said random guy, random, that we were to teleport you into a relationship with him tomorrow.
	Just some random man in the United States, okay?
	You don't know anything about him.
	Would you say that if we teleported you directly into a marriage with him and he began or you began to flirt with other guys in front of him, that he would appreciate that or not appreciate that?
	So that's just a random obscure example of like taking an alien from Mars and marrying them.
	Yeah, it's a hypothetical designed to test your logic.
	So answer the question, please.
	Why are you so combative to this?
	That wasn't.
	I don't know you.
	I just met you, but my oh my.
	I'll explain.
	People often obfuscate away from points when they're asked to test their logic.
	Can I explain what obfuscate means?
	Yeah, it just means my So do you think that they would be more or less likely to be upset?
	It depends on the person.
	Yeah, I know it's a random person.
	Your view of what's disrespectful and all this is completely contrarian to what I think, right?
	So when I, me personally, I don't know about you ladies, that possessive, and listen, I too have had my own journey with this.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I used to be super drunk.
	I sure I've had a journey.
	Are you on?
	Are you on your energy?
	And you're on my journey right now.
	Lucky you.
	Did I meet you on your journey?
	I don't know.
	Are you on the path of your journey?
	Exactly.
	Of possessiveness and jealousy, right?
	So I'm just saying for me now, it is the sexiest thing when a guy is not possessive jealous.
	When he's like, go ahead, guys, eat your heart out.
	Yeah, flirt.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Because at the end of the day, she's my girl.
	That's me.
	I don't know.
	And that's her in her power.
	Like, that's just me.
	You guys don't have to agree.
	And I've seen it time and time again.
	It's like, life is too short.
	Like, just be in a child.
	Be in your individual respecting power.
	Happy to engage with you.
	Be in your power and to box your significant other and be like, oh, you can't do that.
	You can't.
	Wait, hold on.
	Why wouldn't it to me?
	It's hot when girls are like, oh, your man is hot.
	Does some of that like possessiveness come up?
	Yes.
	But it's hot.
	It's like, yeah, be in your power, baby.
	At the end of the day, it's me.
	It's really hot.
	So you said possessiveness.
	That's bad.
	Trying to kind of control you.
	That's bad.
	That's right.
	So if you're in a monogamous relationship and you were inclined to open up the relationship and then go have sex with another man, would that be possessive or controlling for your man to insist that you did not do that?
	It would have to be a mutual decision.
	It would have to, and I think the transparency is what's really cool.
	Yeah, but would it be insecure of him to not want that?
	No, no.
	It depends on the person.
	It totally depends on the, I could understand why, and we're not there, but I could understand why a guy would be like, or a woman would be like, I don't, I'm not down with that.
	I don't feel comfortable.
	So then so let's back way up so I can engage exactly with what you're saying.
	Back to my this alien transportation hypothetical.
	Yes.
	If you were teleported directly into a marriage with some random guy, a random guy, I know it depends on the individual, totally agree.
	Do you think that that random guy would be more likely to get jealous by you flirting or less likely?
	My friend.
	If it was just a random sample.
	It depends on the guy.
	I know it depends on the guy.
	So how can you have me answer it?
	So here, I can explain.
	I can explain exactly how you can answer it.
	And that the conversation is if you either are or you're not, but it's, it's.
	So let's say, let's say this.
	If 70% of the men in the United States, okay, 70% of the men in the United States would get jealous by their woman flirting with somebody else, then if I ask you this question, if you're randomly teleported into a marriage with a random guy, then your chances are still going to be high.
	Hang on, if it's 70% of being teleported into a marriage with a guy who would be jealous, right?
	So you can't answer the question.
	I think it is a major comment.
	Because of just if we know the way men think or we like to think we know, we never will truly know.
	Then, if that's what they're expressing, I do believe that.
	But I think it goes to the point that you were saying: is that if you say to your wife this makes me feel disrespected, she shouldn't do it, and vice versa.
	I think that I wouldn't be with Delaney if she wasn't pushing me to be a better person and calling me out of my shit.
	And if you're not willing to take inventory and look at where you're wrong or illogical or too emotional, then we can't have these conversations because we're not willing to even step out.
	Yeah, you know what I mean?
	Yeah, I agree with you that it is a personal thing.
	It's a personal person.
	And maybe I can look at it at a different angle.
	Is it empowerment?
	Like you said, it's empowering for you to be able to flirt, right?
	With other people.
	Okay.
	Absolutely.
	Is it also empowering for you to tell a man not to flirt if it makes you uncomfortable?
	Yeah.
	They're both empowered.
	It's apples and oranges.
	Not answering that.
	I'm not empowered by that.
	It's total absolutely.
	So it's not empowering.
	See, when you get to the root of it, right?
	You said her flirting, whatever, it's disrespectful.
	What is that shaking underneath?
	Really, if you get to the root of it, why do I feel a type of way?
	It's insecurity.
	It's, oh, they might like this person more than they like me.
	Oh, they might leave me.
	No, I think it's insecurity the opposite way.
	If you're with a secure person, a secure person has boundaries.
	If a secure person has boundaries, then actually by allowing you to do that, they're showing they're an insecure person.
	You're insecure putting your significant other in a box.
	No, you're insecure demanding.
	You're insecure demanding that they go outside of their preferences.
	I think that's insecurity.
	Then find someone who has your preferences.
	Don't box them in.
	Right.
	Well, if you're going to find somebody who has your preferences, that goes all the way back to the conversation: do you think you'd find somebody who's more likely to have your preferences or not?
	And you still refuse to answer that question.
	It's less.
	So my boyfriend's pretty secure, right?
	And there was a point where we didn't know what we were like in relationship-wise, like definition, because we started off as friends and then we were fuck buddies and then we just ended up living together.
	It's a whole convoluted thing.
	But there's a point where I was flirting with some guy because I was like, I don't know if I like anyone else.
	And he's like, well, don't come crying to me if you find out that his dick's not as good as mine.
	And he just walked away.
	And it scared me so much that he was probably right that I stopped talking to the person.
	It was really attractive that he actually insecurity.
	No, he's very secure.
	Go ahead.
	He's very secure.
	I don't know.
	You sound like you're insecure.
	Personally, I wouldn't even approach the idea of entering a relationship if someone's views on relationships differed from mine.
	So I feel like that's a first-base conversation just to casually talk about, to gauge each other's preferences, boundaries, all of it, to not waste each other's time.
	But also, I feel like me personally, if I was in a relationship, all that matters to me is honesty and communication.
	So I don't see myself being in a monogamous type of relationship.
	That's just not something I want.
	It makes work difficult.
	It's not more so for work reasons, but just me.
	And I feel like that is something that's discussed in its boundaries.
	And obviously, a relationship like that is a lot of people.
	Well, and what you're saying is rational and is reasonable.
	But you would have to concede too that you could enter into a relationship with a person and they could have the pre-agreement.
	And then after they're like, wait a second, this actually feels different or I can't handle it or this type of thing.
	You couldn't really get mad at them for that, right?
	And that's always like, if they feel that way, then obviously this is not something that would work.
	So we would just say that.
	The reason I asked that is because by her definition, how she just gave what she thinks security and insecurity is, she would think that that was being insecure.
	Yeah.
	Is that security or insecurity that he's in the relationship?
	Somebody, what you're saying, matching your she gets with somebody who does match it.
	Okay.
	But then after six months, he goes, look, this feels way different than I thought it was.
	That's fine.
	Right.
	But is he being insecure?
	No.
	It's about necessarily.
	He's being secure.
	Well, hang on, hang on.
	Let her answer.
	Let her answer.
	No, not necessarily.
	What does that mean?
	Not necessarily.
	It depends on the situation.
	Well, I just gave you the situation.
	That's the situation.
	I think it's a consent thing more than anything.
	You can't use your consent at any time.
	If he's like, look, this is, it's too much, which I'm sure you've dealt with, then it's too much.
	And now, I'm not like, you're a little baby.
	No, no, I get it.
	But is that man being secure by staying true to these values and saying, listen, this feels way different than I thought it would.
	I don't like it.
	Again, Andrew, I think it's at the root of why they don't like it.
	That's why you're getting at the root.
	And it could be a little bit of a secret.
	So it is insecurity.
	It could be a little bit of both.
	It could be unsecure and happy.
	Yeah, but this is all going to be insecure.
	And like, when he keeps saying, let's get to the root, that's where we're at.
	I'm getting right at this root.
	And if you do think that that is insecurity, ultimately.
	I just said it's a mix of the two.
	Yeah, what does that mean, though?
	So then it is this.
	So if it's a mix, then it is.
	Boundaries and insecurity are almost like interchangeable words in that scenario.
	Yeah, so if I took silver and I took gold and I melted them together, there would still be silver, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	So if there's insecurity plus blank, there's still insecurity.
	So you saying it's a mix of insecurity plus something else means you still think it's insecure.
	Right.
	Yeah, so then you think it's insecure for a man to halfway six months into a relationship not want to date a porn screen.
	Yeah, no, no.
	I said getting to the root of it, if one of the reasons he's like, this is too much, it's overwhelming.
	I said, if one of the reasons deep down, he may not even, this person, alien, may not even admit it to themselves, it could be partially an insecurity.
	It could be upbringing.
	It could be a number of things.
	But you're in this Mr. Alien man from Elon Musk's space.
	I don't even know.
	So in this scenario, though, he just says, listen, it feels different than how I thought it would feel.
	Sure.
	Is that him being secure or insecure?
	Secure.
	Secure.
	And then I think that when you're walking away, we can show our security by if someone says that they don't want that, then you're so secure in yourself that it's okay and you can let them go.
	To me, that's my opinion.
	Like, I don't think.
	If you can set a boundary, that means you're secure in yourself.
	But the thing is, you guys are just talking about you have two different boundaries.
	Your future male partner has completely different boundaries than Andrew's boundaries, but him setting a boundary with his wife and you setting a boundary with your wife.
	Don't read the chat.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure that that's different boundaries.
	I'm not sure that that's what we're disputing.
	I agree that I have a grid one motor sports donated $200, man.
	Good to see you.
	So much delusion in one panel smells like a lot of evil feminism ruining women in clear relationships.
	Cue for the panel.
	Are you feminist or do you embrace the patriarchy?
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Yeah, I think you're good one.
	So let's actually do grid one's question.
	Either or.
	We can come back to this a bit.
	We still need to get everybody's relationships down.
	So just going around the table, are you feminist yes or no?
	I feel like there's parts of feminism I agree with, and there's other parts.
	Like, I don't feel like with preferences in relationships, right?
	I don't think every woman wants to be the trad wife homemaker.
	Some women like being independent, and that's okay.
	So just real, so just real quick, and we'll get back to this, but we just want to get the quick answer for the panel.
	Feminists?
	Yes.
	I was going to, it's the same vibe.
	I don't necessarily think.
	Just one thing.
	I was saying no.
	Just one thing, guys.
	So when we're going around the table, don't be like, I agree.
	Even if you agree, just state your actual actual position.
	Okay, and then I mean, same vibe.
	I mean, I just agree with parts of it and not the whole thing.
	I guess I can't say I am then if I disagree with some things.
	So kind of.
	Kind of.
	I'm a feminist, yes.
	Yes, but not in the woke way.
	Okay.
	I'm also feminist, mostly.
	All right.
	Repeal the 19th.
	Okay, all right.
	The views expressed by the panelists do not necessarily repeat.
	Are you guys?
	Brian and Andrew?
	I'm not a feminist, no.
	Okay.
	Are you?
	I'm a misandrist.
	Oh, Andrew, stop.
	Okay.
	He's not a feminist.
	He's not a feminist.
	Oh, wait, misandrist.
	That would make you a man hater.
	Man hater.
	I'm a misandrist.
	He's a misandrist.
	Okay.
	I thought you could have.
	Now, really quick, just going back to your answer, you were saying how, well, but you don't believe in the trad wife thing.
	Wouldn't that precisely be a feminist?
	Or do you think feminists are in favor of trading?
	No, that's why, no, feminists are in favor of, you know, female power.
	But I lean somewhere in the middle.
	I am a happy medium between I love being a homemaker for my home, but I also like being an independent woman who's in control of myself and my career and everything.
	Real quick.
	Yes.
	Just one more question to kind of flesh this idea out better.
	When we say feminism, what do you think that means in like a really short, concise answer?
	I know that that's difficult to do, right?
	But just so that we have a general idea of what that means.
	Pushing for female equality in work, home, all aspects of life, reproductive rights.
	What rights do we not?
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Let him answer.
	Let him answer.
	She's like, homemaker.
	Yeah.
	What were you going to say?
	And then over here?
	I think it is more about equality.
	I think to me, it's more of how we live and treat each other than wanting women to be on top necessarily.
	I truly believe that, I know I'm not supposed to talk about racism, but I think they are intertwined.
	And I think you can't have one without them.
	So like egalitarianism.
	Yeah, essentially.
	Like what I think feminism is.
	Yeah, well, just what it means to you.
	I mean, I guess, yeah, like equal rights.
	I mean, I'm not sure.
	But I feel like what you just said, you said like treating everyone with the same respect kind of vibe.
	Like that just seems like being like, I don't know.
	I'm trying to think of the word.
	Just like, that's like equality for everyone, you know?
	So I can't, like, if that's it, then I don't know if that's really feminism in my mind.
	But I do have to say.
	So what is it to you?
	I don't know.
	That's kind of what I'd ask you guys with that question, like what you guys would describe it as, like in that either-or sense, I guess.
	I would describe feminism as just supporting women to being their fullest potential of what they want to be.
	So if you want to be a trad wife, I support you 100% as a feminist in being a trad wife.
	If you don't want to be one, I also support you 100%.
	Egalitarianism between I've had wildly different things back and forth, and I'm glad I've experienced them all.
	And I don't think I'm less or more of a woman compared to other women because of my life experience.
	But obviously it feeds into equality because if we're supporting women being their highest best self, then there are certain parts of society that are not equal.
	So it makes it a little harder for us to get there.
	Okay.
	So in a concise way, I would say the economic, cultural, social equality of the sexes.
	Okay.
	I love being a woman.
	The whole brand and what I'm about is empowering women.
	And this is why I say I'm not the, I'm not buying into the woke version of feminism because I think the whole patriarchy thing has gone away.
	Sorry, I have to stop you.
	Why are you going to pick up?
	Saying woman instead of women, I think it's just a weird thing I do.
	I know that I noticed that.
	But thank you for pointing that out.
	Why do you do that?
	Why are you pointing it out?
	We're having such a rich conversation.
	I feel like you came to be a little shit.
	Because I know one when I see one.
	There's like 20 different women who've been through in just the last two weeks who say woman instead of women.
	And honestly, I'm just really fucking confused why they do.
	Like, just I'm just baffled by it.
	Okay.
	We need to talk about it later.
	All right, but anyway, back to your later.
	I'm glad we sorted that out, though.
	Yeah.
	I'm glad we, because that was bothering me.
	Well, it was bothering me, and I'm the important one here.
	But anyway, go ahead.
	Back to where you are.
	Yes.
	Salute to Sir Andrew, everybody.
	Would you?
	No?
	I like you, but not that much.
	Oh, okay.
	Maybe by the end.
	Back to your definition.
	The night is young.
	If we can see eye to eye.
	I don't like you.
	Well, I'm never going to say eye to eye.
	I'm a man.
	I'm taller.
	So we got to get you a stool.
	Get on a little tippy top.
	Tippy-toe.
	Back to your definition.
	I pack a bigger punch than you.
	I don't know.
	Fun size, you know?
	Did you?
	Back to my desk.
	That's right.
	Any punch man?
	No, packing a punch.
	Oh, yes.
	You gotta know this, Mr. Dater.
	Mr. Debater.
	I was trying to read that conversation.
	Master Debater to you.
	That's right.
	Call him Master Debat.
	And give me the damn salute.
	Master Debater, for short.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, I think the whole, you know, I'm sure this is one thing that we could probably see eye to eye on is that the whole blaming men, villainizing men for everything, demonizing them, they're the worst.
	Oh, they're the problem.
	I love men.
	Like, I love strong men.
	Let's go.
	The whole smash the patriarchy thing in my mind has just gone way too far.
	So you're in favor of the patriarchy?
	Yes.
	Me saying smash the thing is gone.
	No.
	So you're neutral on the patriarchy.
	I acknowledge that the patriarchy has been a system set in place for years and years and years, and we're still dismantling it now.
	However, I don't dwell on that.
	I focus on we fucking have kicked ass.
	We have more way to go, but let's focus on what's ahead and keep, you know, that's right.
	Oh, I got Andrew to snap a roux.
	Okay, my success for today.
	You do want to dismantle the patriarchy, though.
	Sure.
	Well, hold on.
	I just think dwelling on it is dwelling in the bad.
	You said you object to smashing the patriarchy.
	How's that any different than dismantling the patriarchy?
	No, no, no.
	They're the same thing.
	I'm just saying, like, I don't know.
	You just don't like the word smash?
	I mean, I like a good word.
	But you said you were against the whole smashy.
	Smash burger.
	I was going to say smash.
	And I was like.
	Yeah, so you said you're against the whole smash the patriarchy thing, but you're also in favor of dismantling the patriarchy.
	How are these different?
	You guys are so funny.
	I see what you do.
	I see what you do here.
	Can you just actually engage instead of like having a meta-conversation?
	Yes, that's what I'm doing right now.
	Okay, so you see what am I doing?
	Actually, hold on.
	No, I'll engage in the meta-conversation.
	No, I feel like you guys are not.
	What am I doing?
	What am I doing?
	I just feel like I'm making sense, and everyone's making sense, and you guys go a little extra to discredit everybody.
	That's okay.
	I get it.
	You said not, hold on, let me speak for a sec.
	Okay.
	How is it not a valid question when you said I'm against the whole smash the patriarchy thing, but you're in favor of the dismantling of the patriarchy?
	How is that not just?
	No, I get how that seems contradictory for sure.
	Is it not contradictory?
	No, it is.
	I said I am against dwelling on the fact that people are obsessed with the patriarchy has us under our thumb and men are the reason for everything and the male gaze and this, this, and this.
	Like I said, I acknowledge they're the systems that have been put in place.
	It's not totally equal yet.
	However, why focus on that when we can focus on how far we've come, what women can do now that we couldn't even make a dent in however many years ago, and move forward.
	Like, sitting in the past doesn't serve us.
	That's what I mean by that.
	And I feel like that's anyone with common sense would get that.
	Yeah.
	I think there's multiple ways why people define feminism, but the way I've always been told is like feminism to me is like women equality and like supporting women in their decisions.
	Okay.
	All right.
	First wave was the right to vote.
	I don't think, well, okay.
	That's what the 19th Amendment is to women voting.
	I don't think women should have the right to vote, but you know, hot take.
	Yeah.
	The views are.
	It's hot ass in pain.
	The views are.
	Why?
	Why, though?
	Why?
	We're too emotional.
	And are men not emotional too?
	Because the overwhelming majority of females just do not necessarily reflect the views of the emotion.
	A biological thing.
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	Can you answer this about feminism?
	What has the idea/slash movement/slash monarchy done for society in a positive way?
	Pink shirt God.
	Is that you?
	Also, define patriarchy.
	And Miss Andrist, for me, is a brave killer.
	He's a man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Thank you, Killa.
	Good to see you.
	I think we got the answers from everybody.
	We'll go into Killa's.
	We still need to do relationship status.
	So, could you answer this about feminism?
	What has the idea movement done for society in a positive way?
	Short answers, please.
	Go ahead.
	Feminism got us Roe v. Wade, which now that's gone.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	I think it just has brought me a lot more security in who I am as a woman.
	Honestly, if we're just thinking about that, I feel much more connected.
	Oh, my God.
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	I am the patriarchy, and loudmouthed people knows nothing of my work.
	Do women have any rights that men do not grant to them?
	He's a brave decent person.
	Yeah, he's a pioneer.
	All right, we'll get around the table on the first question, then we'll go to this.
	Okay, what about you?
	Well, I just think that's part of the problem: I don't think I should be granted anything by a man.
	I do think there are natural rights as a human that we all have, or should have, and that we do.
	I do think we've made so many strides.
	But again, feminism to me is about more community.
	It's doesn't necessarily, I do think it's about bringing up the matriarchy, but I don't think it has to be one or the other.
	I think it's about finding a way that we can work together.
	And you can't hate men into loving, you know, loving women, like which I'm not saying all men hate women, but you know what I mean?
	What percentage?
	I don't know, percentage.
	I don't know, I don't interact with enough men to really believe that.
	Let's get short answers from everybody forgetting.
	That's a good question again.
	Sorry.
	What's like how feminism is?
	Has been positive for society.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I personally think it's good that everyone can vote.
	Well, everyone that's not a felon or whatever the other reasons you wouldn't be able to vote are.
	But I think that equal rates are good.
	I mean, it's to be blatantly obvious.
	Look at the drastic shift the country has experienced in the last couple weeks since Biden dropped out and Kamala took over.
	I mean, the hope is insane.
	I can feel the hope everywhere.
	And it's seeing a woman, and particularly a woman of color, actually being able to raise that astronomical amount of money so quickly and seeing that people do, like, the hope is infectious and it's changing society in a really positive way.
	I honestly think I haven't felt this light and joyful in quite a while.
	Is it because she's a woman or because she's a person of color?
	I think it's both.
	I think it's both.
	But I mean, I do, I mean, and I mean this in the kindest way, but it breaks my heart that there are women that think that so lowly of ourselves that we shouldn't be able to make decisions in this country.
	The fact that, like, Kamala's, I mean, listen to her speak.
	Like, she's like, she's so much more intelligent.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, she is.
	And so, and I totally, and as a feminist, I respect your ability to be able to laugh at me like that.
	It breaks my heart to see that.
	It breaks my heart you feel that you don't deserve the ability to make choices about.
	What about her stupid dances, though?
	Do you like the stupid dancing?
	I think they're funny.
	Why are you mad that she dances?
	I mean, do you think Trump's stupid?
	It's hard when she does it.
	Yeah, Trump looks like a.
	I mean, I'm not going to.
	This is a thing.
	Kamala doesn't attack Trump looking stupid.
	She attacks.
	Yeah, she does.
	She attacks him all the time.
	Like, how?
	Non-stop.
	She's gone after his looks.
	What do you have to say about her besides her dances?
	It sounds like the fact that she blew her way to the top.
	The fact that she got on her knees for Willie Brown and sucked his cock to get into office.
	That's my question.
	How do you really?
	Oh, wow.
	That's a real female in power.
	Come here, Willie.
	Come here, Willie.
	I got to get myself a position.
	Patriarchy is what made her do that in the first place.
	I'm incredibly proud.
	I mean, like the crowd.
	I am incredibly proud of her because she's extremely intelligent and like she's actually speaking shit that makes sense.
	We don't want to go back.
	We don't want to go back to thinking.
	We're moving forward.
	Wait, I have a question about being licored up.
	So she was able to secure the nominee as the for she's running for president, right?
	Without having to.
	She wasn't actually the people's choice.
	Right.
	She just, Biden dropped out.
	There wasn't like a.
	She was just option two.
	She's four.
	That is true.
	Like, do you think she would have been the nominee?
	No, and that's because of the way that the patriarchal system is set up.
	She wouldn't have been the nominee.
	Like, the only way like we had.
	Is there a patriarchy amongst Democrats?
	Yes.
	Oh, totally.
	Hello.
	I mean, in the last election, the vast majority of liberal white women voted for Trump.
	Like, I mean.
	No, they didn't.
	Yes, they did.
	Yes, they did.
	No.
	Please pull up your name.
	Please pull it up.
	Liberal white women voted for Trump.
	No, liberal white women did not vote for Trump.
	The moderate.
	And a lot of liberals lean more moderate.
	They register as Democrats, but they're more moderate and they lean a little more conservative.
	But on paper, they're registering as well.
	No, none of that's true.
	Here's what is true.
	So I'll correct some of this.
	Liberal women, especially liberal white women, most definitely did not show up to vote for Trump.
	Women swung towards the Democrat vote.
	They always swing towards the Democrat vote, especially liberal women who are usually college-educated.
	So college-educated women, overwhelmingly voting.
	More white women voted for Trump in the last election than they did in the first one.
	That's true.
	What does that have to do with your claim, though?
	Your claim was that liberal women were voting for Trump.
	Because a lot of these women are claiming to be moderate Democrats, and then they're saying that Trump is the lesser liberal.
	They're voting the way their husbands vote.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And that's what's so different about Kamala: for once, those women, those like stay-at-home mom, like housewife women, for once, are going the polls this year.
	And I truly believe they're going to vote for what they want.
	They're not just going to follow their husbands for once.
	They actually are going to vote.
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	Seriously?
	Eels up Harris.
	Intelligent.
	That has to be the dumbest thing I have heard today.
	Such a role.
	He cheated his way and fucked prostitutes to the top.
	I don't know why we don't want to talk about that.
	Grid one, thank you for it.
	By the way, grid one, we will get to your question.
	We just got to get all the way around here.
	Let's bring it back to one thing that feminism has done positive for society: that women are no longer second-class citizens, like in some other countries.
	I know we're trying to keep it moving, so to keep it proof.
	Yes.
	All right.
	I definitely think feminism has brought, like, opened up a lot of opportunities for women, and not just that, but it also brought like a sense of belonging.
	And I see like multiple women being achieving for certain careers has also been super inspiring to like those around our community.
	So, yeah.
	I have no idea.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then, here, we're going to get to grid ones.
	So, actually, let's just finish relationship status.
	Then we're going to get to grid ones.
	So, okay, relationship status.
	I think we left off with you.
	Well, you guys are together.
	Yes.
	So, same, just engaged.
	Yeah, engaged.
	My longest relationship was six years.
	Six years.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm in a relationship.
	A little bit of a backstory.
	We were best friends nine, ten years.
	We've been a couple for the last two years.
	And a little bit out of the box to make it spicy.
	He's twice my age.
	He's the best.
	Such a good guy.
	How old is he?
	Now you're asking me to give away my age.
	Well, she said twice her age.
	She said she was a little bit age.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no, no, he's not that old.
	He's late 60s.
	He's late 50s, late 50s.
	Okay, late off.
	Oh, about the longest relationship?
	You know, probably this one.
	But usually I'm in the two-ish year range.
	Okay.
	So longest was two-ish years.
	Is this your longest relationship?
	This would be the longest.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Do you flirt with other dudes?
	Sure do.
	And he doesn't care?
	He is not.
	He's like, baby, do you, like, at the end of the day, I'm yours, you're mine.
	Be in your power, girl.
	And you're fine.
	Would you be fine with him flirting with other women?
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single and I have not been in a committed relationship.
	Ever?
	Ever.
	What about what's the longest period of time you've dated somebody?
	I haven't been in a committed relationship.
	Wait, what was your relationship?
	Okay, so when I say date, this can include all the way from like a one-night stand to friends with.
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	These women are so delusional.
	One has to wonder if they believe the garbage they spew.
	Why are they so mad?
	All right, Harry Louise, thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	So you've been single.
	So are you a virgin?
	Yes, I am.
	Oh.
	Okay, so you really haven't.
	Okay, you haven't done anything.
	Have you been on a date?
	Yeah, I have.
	Have you been on multiple dates with the same guy?
	Yeah, I've been in a situationship before.
	You're in a situation.
	Are you waiting until marriage?
	Sorry?
	Are you waiting until marriage?
	No.
	I just haven't been in a serious committed relationship to have that connection with him.
	And so you want that before you have carnal knowledge.
	Okay.
	And are you waiting for love or just the right guy?
	Just the right guy.
	Yeah.
	So what's like the longest period of time you've, you said you were in a situationship?
	How long did that last?
	Like three months, three and a half months.
	Yeah.
	Three months?
	Okay.
	And why did that end?
	It was the classic.
	He wasn't ready for a relationship.
	So you wanted a relationship?
	I did, yeah.
	And it wasn't that communication wasn't clear.
	And how often would you guys hang out?
	Was it long distance or?
	No.
	He was my neighbor.
	Okay, so.
	Yeah.
	Close distance.
	And so you wanted a relationship.
	He didn't.
	Was he aware that you had not had a boyfriend before?
	Never, like, first anything related with the guy?
	No, that wasn't mentioned.
	Okay.
	Had he said yes to you wanting a relationship with him, would you have slept with him?
	I definitely think it would invest more time in him before that.
	Okay.
	So I can be sure of him.
	But yeah.
	I see.
	Okay.
	And are you going into your senior year?
	I am, yeah.
	Okay.
	Besides him, any other situationships?
	No, not really.
	I've just been really busy mostly.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	And why do you want to wait?
	I don't know.
	I guess all my life there has been opportunities, but I just like I'm a very picky person and I haven't really found like the person that checks all my boxes, I guess.
	What are your boxes?
	Someone who's goal-oriented, knows how to treat a woman, is really smart, committed in school.
	When you say knows how to treat a woman, what do you mean?
	Like, so it shows a lot of respect.
	And I'd say someone who treats me who's a gentleman.
	Gentleman.
	Can't think of his list.
	Just like prioritizes me, but not like too much.
	That's still cares about his own life and his own priorities.
	Okay.
	I say like healthy relationship, mostly.
	Any like physical traits that you're picky about?
	Height?
	Anything like that?
	I'm preferably taller than me.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Now, you said treats you like a gentleman, treats you well.
	Does that include like, do you want more traditional treatment?
	Like you want him to be like taking you out, like going on dates, paying for dates?
	I say like not all the time.
	Like I'm solely willing to.
	You love a first date.
	Would you want a guy to pay for a first date?
	No.
	Okay, well, checks out with the whole feminist thing.
	It doesn't count, Brian.
	Paying for dates now.
	Or getting older.
	But I'm mostly feminist, not completely.
	Well, no, you said you're fine.
	You'd be fine going 50-50 on a first date, right?
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's okay.
	Relationship status?
	I am taken.
	I've been in a relationship for five years now, and that's my longest relationship now.
	All right, rock and roll.
	Monogamous too.
	Okay, we've got everybody's relationship statuses.
	You've got to be a virgin.
	Forever.
	You're peer.
	Yeah.
	Don't try to wreck it.
	Don't try to wreck it.
	Don't go rocket.
	I'm just curious, if you met the right guy and you knew like super early on that you like really like this guy, would you still wait?
	Or would you just like because I know some girls, it's like even if they're a virgin, it's like they don't just want to wait for the right guy, but once they find the right guy, they don't really have any qualms with like they could, it could be relatively quick in terms of timeline of hooking up.
	Or for you, it's like even if I find the right guy, I would want to wait a couple months till we're more solid.
	Yeah, I would definitely want to wait a couple months.
	All right.
	We have a hold on, actually, before I get into that, we got to, okay.
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	Okay.
	So we need to do grid one's question, which actually, hold on.
	No, no, no, hold on.
	Can we get killer of cereal?
	Hold on.
	We're going to do this one.
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	My new favorite question for the panel.
	Most embarrassing moment on a date.
	Brian, apolog.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	So is that one that came through earlier?
	If you can keep your answer, reader's digest, plot synopsis 10, 20 seconds.
	If you can, most embarrassing date story.
	I haven't really been on any embarrassing dates really.
	Well, what about like most embarrassing situation to happen while you were in a romantic and or sexual context with a man?
	It's easy.
	Oh my God.
	I'm trying to think of one specifically.
	That with the work I do, there's a lot.
	People are cardinal.
	They're not cleaned up.
	I wasn't thinking necessarily like during sex.
	I meant more so like you're spending time.
	You're spending time with a man who you have a romantic or sexual connection with.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So I think like when people think date, they're thinking like a formal, like, I want to take you to dinner.
	It can be like you're hanging out at your place type thing.
	I honestly don't have anything embarrassing.
	I'm very myself everywhere I go.
	So there's very little that I can do that's actually embarrassing.
	I take pride in being a little weirdo.
	All right.
	What about you?
	The only thing I can think of is one of the four first times I went over to my ex's house, I left the stove on for eight hours once I left.
	Is there fire now?
	No, we were all safe, but I don't really have any embarrassing date stories.
	But I mean, I also have plenty of like sex stories that are pretty wild.
	There was one time that I like had an asthma attack while I was like going down on a dude and I went too far down and then I coughed and then I was like, and then I was like, and then I just ran away and like yeah, but that's not like a date, that's more like a hookup story.
	That all counts.
	What about you?
	Um, I was racking my brain for a good one.
	I it's, it's a client, it wasn't like a boyfriend, but I was meeting a man with the intention of having sex with him and when we met we met at a Starbucks and he spilled his coffee all over himself like, and he just got so shaky and embarrassed because he never met and I was trying to be, you know, nice and laugh it off, but he was so embarrassed he just left and I never talked to him again.
	It was really awkward.
	But that's the only thing I can really, because same I'm very much myself like.
	If I do something stupid, I just laugh about it.
	I don't really racking my brain.
	I'm sorry, I'm a little boring in this department.
	I was never a big dater.
	Yeah, what do you mean?
	I was always like, kind of like I was solo or relationship kind of gal, but I'm never found this can be within like an embarrassing story.
	Yeah, I'm sorry okay, that's fine, I can't think of anything too embarrassing.
	But I guess I was longboarding with this guy and it like fell, bloodied up nah, just like scraped that.
	Okay, what about you?
	I didn't realize I could have called my boyfriend my boyfriend in the very beginning actually, and I found that out like a couple weeks ago, five years ago.
	I do remember one now that's a.
	He asked me if I'm an idiot.
	Yeah, I do have one I remember now.
	Yeah, go for it, just needed some time for it to get back to me, okay.
	So I was like maybe 18 19, 20 around there and I went to have.
	It was just like a casual hookup.
	We're in the same friend group, we would just sleep together sometimes and we were drinking and we had chicken nuggets right before.
	Oh no yeah, so You know, mama did not raise a quitter, so kind of just go and some of the nuggies came back up and you just slurp and keep going.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Okay.
	It wasn't necessarily embarrassing.
	He was like, oh, fuck yeah.
	It works.
	How come Andrew doesn't have to answer?
	Well, we've, this question has been posed to us quite a few times.
	I can answer.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	So one time I was on a date with a chick and she went back to my house with me.
	I was like, I don't know, 19 or 20.
	And I was living with my parents at the time and my sister.
	And she came out and said, oh, hi, how are you?
	And she had her cat.
	And the girl said, yeah, kitty, let me pet the kitty.
	And my sister said, okay, and handed it to her.
	So she pets it and then for reasons I don't understand, threw the cat to my sister.
	Oh, my God.
	Cat went crazy, went ballistic, started shredding my sister.
	She panicked, threw the cat off of her, which landed back on the date, started shredding the date.
	And that was the end of that date.
	Show younger.
	That's a JD Vance cat story.
	It didn't work out good.
	Cat lady story, yes.
	We got it.
	Oh, my.
	This is young Andrew by the end.
	Look at that handsome.
	Look at this guy.
	There he is.
	Look at him.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So we have a couple chats here.
	We have equality.
	Now your turn.
	Because you didn't answer.
	Boring.
	That's a problem.
	Oh, come on.
	Be egalitarian about it.
	If it comes to me, you'll be the first one.
	I'm not going to linger on this.
	Racist Ronnie.
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	Question for panel.
	Do you believe in dismantling whiteness despite your answer?
	Well, we can only do like really one question per message.
	So we'll do the first one.
	Do you believe in dismantling whiteness?
	Go ahead.
	Can it be a combination to answer all of it in short context?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I feel like no certain race should have superiority.
	It should just be equal for everybody.
	There's no reason for one race to reign superior, have more authority, have more respect or value.
	So it's not about dismantling whiteness.
	It's about dismantling the ideas that have been built throughout the years of this country existing that white people are superior.
	So you think that that's the case currently?
	That's what we're attempting to do.
	I don't know.
	So you're saying white people are superior?
	Not all.
	Not all.
	I say that there's some white people out there who believe they are.
	And that's, you know, you can't say all of them because I have plenty of white friends who don't think that way.
	All right.
	I don't think you can dis I don't think they mean dismantling whiteness because I can't change that I'm white.
	That's not something I can dismantle.
	But I can, I do think there is a system in place.
	Again, I said earlier, I don't think you can work on dismantling patriarchy and all of that stuff without dismantling racism.
	I think they're intertwined.
	And I think it's, again, the main issue is equality in that area.
	So yeah, I just think that I personally, as a white person, can do work to see everyone for their experiences and not putting myself in their shoes as me, but truly having empathy and looking at people from their perspective in their life.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Yeah, like she said, I can't dismantle my own whiteness.
	Like, I can't change anything about that.
	But like Luna mentioned, I didn't get a lot of equality vibe.
	Like, it's not really dismantling it.
	I think it's more just like validating others' experiences and bringing them up as well.
	What about you?
	Yes, of course.
	And I think dismantling whiteness is kind of a conservative buzz phrase to sound offensive.
	Like when we say dismantling whiteness, no one's talking about stopping being white, obviously.
	Like, no shit.
	That's why we can't control that.
	We're talking about dismantling the systems that continue to perpetuate putting white people first.
	That's all that means.
	And yes, we do need to continue to dismantle that.
	We've been doing that, but we're not done.
	I have a follow-up question on that, but I'll let the rest of the panelists answer.
	Go ahead.
	I will say similarly: dismantling whiteness, that's a first for me.
	That's a new one.
	You know, again, what you guys were saying, folks can't help but they're white.
	On the other end of it, I think, you know, DEI and all that has, like I said, with all the smash of patriarchy, it's just gone too far.
	So at the end of the day, it's common sense.
	Like, racism ain't cool, it ain't the vibe.
	But I think.
	And what is DEI?
	Diversity, equity, inclusion.
	You know what DEI is.
	I'm asking you.
	I'm just wondering.
	Diversity, equity, and inclusion.
	Thank you for the pop quiz.
	But yeah.
	What are your objections to DEI?
	I think I believe in meritocracy.
	I don't believe in, you know, filling quotas or putting people in certain positions because of how they look.
	I think that's crazy.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I also believe it's more about dismantling the system and how there's a lot of like prejudices in that.
	So I do believe there's a lot of progress that needs to be done.
	Okay.
	Wasn't Kamala picked because she's a black woman to be his run, like the running mate originally?
	She's not black, though.
	No, she's not.
	She's half black and half Indian.
	That she is a black Indian rattle.
	Back to Kabul, as you guys know, that's why.
	That's up to debate.
	In fact, yeah.
	Also, have you heard of the BNWO?
	So move the Black New World Order.
	They want to exterminate white people.
	Yeah, I can't get in.
	I didn't know that.
	All right.
	So I did have one question, though.
	So if we look at other countries that have, for example, a different race as the majority, take for China, for example.
	Do you think that there ought to be a movement in China, for example, to equalize, to equalize the racial representation in that country?
	To be quite honest with you, I'm not familiar with the culture of living in China.
	It's like 99% Chinese.
	I'm sure it is 99% Chinese.
	What I'm saying is, I'm not sure.
	I don't live in their society.
	I don't know if their society is geared in such a way that if you're not Chinese, that you have less advantages in the society.
	If everybody, I can only speak to the society I live in, and I can say white people do have advantages in this society.
	In China, I don't live there, but sure, if it's set up so that the people who are like Chinese are they get way more advantages than people who happen to be black but live in China, then sure, there should be one there too.
	But I don't live there, so I'd rather speak about what I'm educated about, and I am educated about where I live.
	That's fair.
	I think to get at the heart of Brian's question, I'll ask a different one in the same vein.
	So Japan has a staunch Staunch immigration policy.
	They don't want people who are not Japanese to immigrate into Japan.
	They want to keep it majority Japanese.
	Is that a wrongful policy from your perspective?
	I mean, the policy in itself, yes.
	However, I would need to understand why that.
	I don't know why that's the same thing.
	Because they want to keep it Japanese.
	That's the motivation.
	If it's just simply because they want pure Japanese blood, then 100% that's wrong.
	So then you would apply the same logic to Israel.
	I mean, I mean, I know we weren't allowed to talk about it.
	We're not going to dive into it.
	I'm just asking if you'd apply the same logic there.
	I would apply the same logic that if there's any place where you have to look a certain way to have an advantage, and that is the only reason you get that advantage, and that you naturally will be disadvantaged simply because of the way you're born, whether that's your gender, whether that's your color, whether it's anything, that is not right.
	And I believe everyone should have an equal opportunity to be successful in any given society.
	So, one question for you then.
	So, you would then be in favor of Europeans, white Americans, moving to Japan, attempting to gain positions of political power in Japan.
	Would you be in favor of that?
	If they were someone of European descent who's lived in Japan for a decade or more, and if they've never been there before, know nothing about the country, then no.
	I also don't think that someone who knows nothing about America should become the president.
	But I don't think the color of your skin determines how knowledgeable you are.
	If you grew up there and you're of European descent, you should have equal opportunity to be in power.
	It's going to Japan with hallucinations and topics.
	Wouldn't you still want people who just got to the United States yesterday to be represented?
	I want them to be represented, yeah, but do I want them to lead the country if they've never lived here before and don't know what the average plight is for the average person on the streets?
	No, I think they should be able, their voices should be heard, but that's why the president is not our ultimate ruler.
	That's why we have a system of checks and they could totally be in the House of Representatives or representatives on a more local level, like on a city council.
	Awesome.
	On the representation front.
	But, yeah.
	Let's say Japan opens it up to immigrants coming into Japan, which they've recently done.
	This is because they have an aging out elder population, enough young people take care of them.
	So they're opening up work visas to come into Japan.
	Those people are not Japanese citizens.
	They don't get the same rights as Japanese.
	Is that okay or not okay from your estimation?
	That's okay.
	I mean, I think you earned, I do believe in earnings, and that's a lot of people.
	I'm not ever going to give them citizenship.
	But I'm just like, if you were not born there and you're coming over for a work visa or a student visa or something, yeah, I don't think you should necessarily be able to choose who's in power if that's not where you're investing your family.
	Like, if you're investing your life, your money, like you're investing in the local economy, you're having kids in this town.
	Like, you're invested in this place.
	You should have complete equal opportunities to vote and have opportunity to be in power as well.
	But if you're just there because you have a temp job, you're going back to the States in a few months, I mean, you shouldn't have as many rights.
	So if they're coming in, let's say they're there for 10 years.
	I think if you're there for 10 years, you should be able to have a say, for sure.
	For sure.
	Because at this point, you've contributed to the community.
	Hard of you came in, though, with the understanding that they did not ever want you to have a say.
	If you come in with that understanding, then sure, because you agreed to that.
	So is there anything actually?
	I think people come to America with the understanding they're going to be able to participate.
	Yeah, no, I understand.
	So it's different.
	So there's nothing you actually think is fundamentally immoral about Japan wanting to keep itself Japanese.
	Not necessarily, but again, it's way more nuanced than that.
	Like, I do believe that if you have been a part of that culture and you're ingrained in that culture, I do think that, especially if you were born there, is what I'm saying, not like you made a choice as an adult and you agreed to these rules.
	Like you were born there, you just happened to be a white guy that was born there.
	You should be allowed to have power and not be.
	I'm just at the heart of this.
	Let me wrap it up real quick.
	You have a country should decide that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm saying they have the right to do that because if I'm choosing to go to Japan, I'm like, I'm agreeing to your rules.
	But I'm saying if I was born in Japan looking the way I look, I think I should have the same rights as someone else.
	So, if the Japanese were to say, and I'll just button it up with this, with this answer, if they were to say, we don't want any immigrants from any other nations to come into the nation, we want it to remain purely Japanese.
	And I'd have to respect that.
	Like, I, but I, but for my country as an American, I want other cultures here personally.
	But yeah, if that's what they want, that's not my culture.
	I'm not going to go pry and say, fuck you, I deserve to be here.
	Like, you know what?
	That's, I respect that.
	There's plenty of places in the world I'd like to visit that they might not like me there, and that's just the way it is.
	Absolutely.
	I also think in a perfect world, it would be immoral for us to block us from traveling and going places, but I don't see any way to actually put that into action.
	So it makes me feel like, what's the point in saying that or thinking that?
	But I do feel like...
	I don't know what that means.
	Like, in a perfect world, like, if the world, if we were brought here or born here, whatever, how whatever this is, like, I feel like we were set up, like, we're supposed to be happy and things are supposed to be easy for everyone.
	And I don't know at this point in time how that could realistically happen.
	So I don't know.
	We have to go with the systems we already have in place.
	So it's about making it, if like people want, like she said, if she, if people want to live there and invest their lives, or if they're born there, they should have rights.
	But if it's just a traveling thing now, like we can't really does that make sense what I'm trying to say.
	But if a system existed in which a culture said we do not want any outsiders anywhere near this and it was a well-developed nation, I wouldn't actually have any objections to that.
	No, I feel I, in my heart of hearts, I feel like that is immoral.
	Like I just don't because I just it's honestly it is an emotional feel like it's I just really do love people.
	Do you but I understand that it's not possible in the world.
	And do you base morals though on just how you feel?
	No, I don't.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like that's something I which I why I said I don't even know if it's worth bringing up, but it is something I think about often and wish more people would be willing to talk about.
	Like what would that possibility look like?
	And I don't know if that's idealist or something, but I still think that if we get to that route, like if we really could all just coexist in the world, like I don't understand.
	You know what I'm trying to say?
	I know it's an ideal world is no one owns the earth and we all get along.
	But the truth of the matter is that's not the society we live in.
	So I completely respect if another culture doesn't want me there.
	Would it bum me out?
	Sure.
	But like I completely respect that.
	But I, as an American living in America right now, like I have an as a woman who does have the right to vote because women fought so hard for that.
	Like I'm so excited.
	They really didn't.
	I just, the more you guys talk, I'm so grateful I am to be a lesbian man.
	For real, like, baby.
	On behalf of men everywhere, so are we.
	That's what I'm like.
	Yeah, I just definitely fought for the rights we have for sure.
	We fought for it.
	So that's indisputable.
	I don't even want to.
	We can get into some of that stuff.
	But to put a button on all this, something I think that we can all agree on is to celebrate the fact that we are in the most thriving democracy in the world.
	And I feel like with many people.
	I'm in a democracy.
	We're a republic.
	Okay.
	To you know, like all of these topics, people don't want to see the nuance.
	And I just personally don't feel like we're in the, like racism doesn't exist or we're in a racist country.
	It's like, yes, we're not where we want to be, but just like the feminism thing, it's like, let's applaud how far we've come.
	I think we were having a pretty nuanced conversation, honestly.
	Yeah.
	Well, no, I'm not saying it was nuance, but I'm saying it seems to be in the binary of like, you know, white patriarchy runs everything in the systems.
	And you know what I mean?
	In order to have discourse, we're going to have to have descriptors that we can apply to reality.
	Yeah.
	There's no way around that.
	So if you say, okay, we need to have nuance, I agree.
	A lot of these things have nuance.
	They're multifaceted.
	They're multi-tiered.
	All of that's true.
	But if I have a descriptor, you know what heuristics are.
	So heuristics work because they work as descriptors for us to have conversations to get to the nuance.
	I'm saying we tend to be in a lot with a lot of these topics.
	Again, common sense and the binary of this or that.
	But back to what I originally said, would you not agree with that?
	The general kind of toss-out I put out there where we're at.
	Why not?
	No, I don't.
	So for one thing, I think that I don't think we're arguing around the edges.
	No, no, no.
	I'm asking if you're debating the idea that I've thrown out.
	Okay, well, let's make sure I get your idea correct.
	What am I missing?
	What is your idea?
	To celebrate how we're in the freest country in the world.
	And that we are not where, you know, we have a complicated past, a complex past.
	We're not no longer in that past.
	We've made a lot of way, but we're not where we want to be.
	We've got a little ways to go.
	Yeah, so I think first of all, I think we need to untangle a couple things.
	The first is, how did you establish that this is the freest country in the world?
	Why wouldn't it be?
	That's not an answer to the question.
	That's begging the question.
	It is the freest country in the world.
	Well, that's a declarative statement, but not a demonstration.
	How do we establish it is?
	Constitution.
	What you said, the constitution.
	Other countries have constitutions.
	I mean, free speech.
	Other countries have free speech.
	I don't know.
	I guess we have.
	I haven't gone enough places to really know if they're free or not.
	I only know based on what I see, what I'm fed by the media.
	So I just want to let you know that that's a neat slogan to say.
	We're the freest country in the world.
	But I seem to remember that there was lockdowns, and it didn't feel like it was all that free.
	So the thing is, is that you're a country-freer.
	Yeah, not only that.
	Became a country-freer.
	Not only that.
	Well, wait, the most free country in the world probably would be Somalia.
	That would be the freest.
	I mean, now it seems like the last few weeks has kind of started to dissipate, but the looming threat of Project 2025 made me feel for the first time, especially as someone who wants to have children through.
	Yeah, keep laughing at me.
	It's so funny.
	Like, especially as someone who wants to have children through reciprocal IVF, which is specifically detailed in that document, that made me feel like this country might, I mean, Liza and I were literally like, should we figure out how to get a work study visa or something and maybe try going somewhere else before the election happens?
	Like, we genuinely were wondering, are we going to be able to have the family we want in this country?
	So I can ask you a question on that.
	So, I mean, I've seen like the image of the Project 2025 thing.
	I don't really know anything about it.
	It doesn't appear to me, though.
	It appears to me that it's framed from the point of view of Democrats.
	The actual document is written by the Heritage Foundation.
	That's from the point of view.
	I read the document myself.
	I read it with a guide that helped me go through it because it's obviously, but I read through the document.
	But is it something that was put out by the Trump administration?
	It's put out by the Heritage Foundation, which has donated how much money to Trump, and JD Vance literally is one of their leaders who's now first.
	First of all, Trump already disavowed it.
	Trump disavowed it and said he didn't know anything about it when the man he selected as his vice president is literally one of the authors.
	So that's clearly a lie.
	I would love to know.
	Yes, he is if he's admitted to being.
	Let's back up.
	Let's back up.
	How would it be a lie?
	If you guys haven't read Project 2025, I actually feel like I have read Project 2025.
	Okay, then why did you just say it came from the point of Democrats when it was a private sector?
	No, that's not what I said.
	I said the Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank, and Trump already disavowed Project 2025.
	He already said, no, there's already aspects of this I don't like, which I wish he wouldn't have done, but he did.
	Right?
	So you saying that JD Vance was assisting in the authorship of it does not demonstrate that Trump knew a damn thing about it.
	Why would Trump pick someone who was an author?
	You think that if Trump was trying to figure out who his running mate was, he wasn't going to discuss those ideas?
	I don't think that's the same thing.
	Those are his main ideals.
	Of course, they discuss that.
	Those discussions were had.
	I know you're not because you're not educated on it, but I recommend getting educated on it after the show, really.
	Well, but what I've seen, what I've seen is a lot of sharing on social media.
	I mean, I'm educated.
	I would love to have the debate right now.
	Read the document.
	Don't just look at social media posts from random liberals.
	Like, I actually register at DeCorant Estate.
	I don't even register as a public.
	What is it in the document you object to?
	What are you doing?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Their views on gay marriage, their views on abortion.
	Yeah, those are great views.
	They represent a huge swath of the nation.
	Yeah, so that would literally mean that me and my fiancé talks about our children the way we want.
	Here's what we're going to do: if you guys want to have a political debate, we will invite you guys to have back.
	You can do it tomorrow.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	You can do it tomorrow.
	You guys can come, and then we can flesh out all that stuff in detail in a morning.
	I would love to.
	I was a journalist in this town and I spoke on a roundtable show in the middle of the day.
	How happy to have you?
	I would love to do that.
	I'm glad to have you.
	There's other people on the panel.
	There's other people on the five debates.
	Actually, I'm highly educated.
	You can shocked.
	If you guys are down, we could have both of you on the panel, and it can be a 1v2.
	Okay, Brian's like, stop the steel of this live stream.
	I need more water.
	We'd be happy to host an actual debate on it, but thank you.
	So, oh boy, heck.
	We love this stuff, though.
	We think it's good.
	I appreciate America that we can do.
	There's other people on the panel.
	There's other things to get to.
	We can have a dedicated debate on specific political things in a dedicated debate.
	Andrew, you free tomorrow?
	Yeah, let's do it.
	You guys.
	Okay, we'll set it up.
	We'll talk after the show.
	I just don't want the majority of the show ate up by 100%.
	We got to.
	Trump, Biden, Van.
	Yeah, yeah, that's political stuff.
	Totally fine.
	So, okay.
	We need to do two chats.
	We had one from grid one, grid one.
	I'm going to get you in here in just a sec.
	And we have, Tony, I'm not going to pull it back up because of your name, but you did ask.
	Question for everyone.
	I'm scared.
	Question for everyone.
	Who in the room owes reparations?
	I mean, normally.
	Who owes reparations?
	By the looks of it.
	That's a light question.
	Yeah, right.
	Is it normally this?
	Is that about?
	I don't know.
	Normally it's not this political, though.
	Okay.
	It's in the airway.
	How would your political views not have to do with dating, though, in an election season?
	It's kind of tiring.
	Of course they are.
	It's true.
	There's no way that's kind of true.
	So raise your hand if you feel like you owe reparations.
	Personally, if you feel like defined reparations, though, is reparations a financial payment?
	No, there's not crickets.
	You have to give me more than a second.
	But like, are we defining?
	Are we defining?
	I like her.
	She's cool.
	Thank you.
	Are we defining reparations by some payment, or are we defining reparations by what we were talking about earlier, which is however you want to word it, but dismantling whiteness?
	Because I do believe I'm paying, yeah, keeps rolling your eyes, dude.
	It's like you can't listen.
	You just roll your eyes.
	But like, if you're dismantling whiteness and you're actively every day trying to think in an anti-racist way, I believe that is a form of paying reparations because I'm working on myself.
	Do I have a million dollars?
	No, and I probably never will.
	Like, that's not what I'm talking about.
	I would just show of hands.
	Who would owe reparations?
	What?
	What?
	Working to better myself.
	Make it make sense.
	Yeah, I am.
	Make it make sense.
	I'm black.
	Yeah, I'm working on myself.
	He's not backing down.
	By working on my perspective and shifting my perspective and trying as a honestly, as a lesbian, there's like certain ways that I don't have privilege.
	And then as a white woman, there's ways I do.
	And so, like, when I aim in spaces where my privilege can be used for good, that is paying reparations.
	It's like not sitting quiet in this situation right now and saying, I don't want to look stupid in front of these people, so I'm not going to say what I believe.
	I'm saying what I believe because that's my way of paying reparations.
	Like, I'm not ashamed of your facial expressions.
	Like, elevators.
	Like, I'm very rolling my eyes.
	I didn't.
	You have.
	And even if I disagree with you at times, this chick has.
	I like how you hold your own.
	Thank you.
	It's beautiful.
	Okay.
	We're all holding hands under the table.
	We can support women even if they disagree with one another, and that's what feminism is: we support each other no matter what.
	Thank you.
	I was the feminist, though, before.
	I voted the opposite way that I would now, completely.
	And I saw through why my emotional look at things was not just how it was.
	Like, oh, gay people, this, all gay people, that.
	Like, they should get married.
	They should be able to adopt kids.
	And that's, you know, not everyone.
	Thank you, Richard.
	Got to make it concise.
	Thanks for people who do it in beach road fertilization.
	Oh, my God.
	Because that's a whole part of our time.
	Yeah, I mean, let her.
	She said adopt.
	I just want to see the rest of her view.
	Well, I mean, okay, so here, I have a view, okay?
	Because I, I'll get real personal, but I think it's relevant.
	So, also from Arizona, Roe v. Wade, it doesn't, it doesn't not exist there anymore.
	You have to be able to get an abortion before like eight to nine weeks, but you can still get one.
	I know because I've had two and I hate my life for it, okay?
	I don't know if half the women that have gotten abortions ever would do it again.
	And most of them get them more than once.
	And that's really sad.
	Now, the people who support the right to get an abortion, why do so many of the girls I know have kids though?
	You know?
	Because they still wanted to have those kids.
	But why are you fighting for this woman's, like any woman or any women to get one if you're not going to get one yourself?
	Because it's their choice.
	Because you support all the women.
	Regardless of if they agree with you.
	But choosing that is freaking fucking hard.
	I don't know.
	I had an abortion.
	I wanted to be a bad person.
	I've wanted to be a mother since I was two years old.
	I don't know how the most stupid things to me.
	I had to have an abortion.
	The situation I was in as a teenager being abused and being threatened with homelessness if I kept the baby, I had no choice.
	And I'm not going to say I regret it because I don't know where I'd be today if I moved into a homeless shelter at that age.
	But I can tell you, motherhood is extremely valuable to me.
	I want it more than anything.
	I can't wait to have this woman's babies.
	But like, I had to have that abortion at that time.
	And so that's why if any other woman in this society, if they want to be childless cat ladies, I'm going to applaud them and support them all the way through.
	If they want to have a baby like me, I also am going to do that.
	And I'm going to support them having a baby in whatever means they want to do so.
	I applaud you wanting to be a mother.
	Okay.
	I should have gone about it a different way.
	I should have, because I actually have my two friends.
	They are, okay, this is so confusing.
	One of them is a lesbian and the other one is a trans man.
	So they just, they work.
	Okay.
	But they are, they're my best friends.
	My two best friends, one growing up, the other one is my best friend that I made as an adult.
	If I would have had the kid that I, you know, wanted to, but I've just, it's just my stupid brain and my stupid choice.
	No one forced me to do it, but I should have wanted to give them the kid because I don't think that, you know, they're great with kids.
	They would have made great parents, but I just, I chose to be selfish.
	So what about the fact when people don't know they're pregnant that early?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I didn't know until I was 13 weeks.
	And that's common and normal.
	Most people do not know.
	I kept them.
	The first time, earlier in my life, I did.
	I had two abortions.
	And then I didn't find out till 13 weeks.
	I took about 10 tests for two, three months that came up negative.
	And I was already 13 weeks.
	Has anybody here not had an abortion?
	It's for you.
	Do you?
	And you?
	And I will say, this is very true.
	You can probably fight me on it, but the majority of women who have abortions have actually already have a live child.
	It's because they don't have the financial capacity, they don't have the emotional support to take on another child.
	But the vast majority of people who have abortions are not childless.
	They already have children, and it's an extremely hard decision for them.
	And so I will say that.
	It's hard speaking to the choir, I know.
	It's a hard decision either way.
	And why bring a baby into this world that is unwanted, ends up in the system, abused, assaulted, who knows what other things or, you know, what?
	In either way, either the baby or the mother, they're both victims.
	No matter how they got pregnant, no one should be forced to stick with that choice.
	And I don't think I can think of any law that governs anything a man can do with their body.
	I was just going to say to toss it out.
	Tamil asked that question, actually.
	She said, name one law that governs a man's body.
	I don't know if you're going to toss it out.
	No one's been able to say it.
	What do you guys think of the counter every man get a vasectomy?
	I actually reject your premise.
	So it's sneaky, loaded language.
	It's fun.
	It's fun to kind of do mental exercise like that, right?
	What law governs a man's body?
	Well, we're not governing your body.
	We're governing the body of somebody who's not you and telling you you can't destroy the body.
	You gotta let me finish if you ask me a question.
	I'm sorry, but it looks like a freaking baby now.
	It's just because you're looking at the we're playing God and it's just why is it actually propaganda is wild.
	So back to this, right?
	So just to answer your question, no, they're not governing your body.
	They're governing the rights of what is considered to be another human being inside of your body.
	So the human carrying that.
	Yes.
	So the fact that in Project 2025, it would state that I can't do that.
	That's not governing my body.
	Go ahead, you go.
	It's a bad thing.
	In the case of, oh, it's murder when it's not even a fully formed human with thoughts.
	Why does that fetus' life matter more than the woman who's carrying it?
	So this is a conversation.
	Especially if it's coming to a woman who is unable to take care for that child.
	What kind of life is that fetus going to go through when they are breathing and speaking and thinking and to come into this world and know that they're not wanted or they suffer in poverty?
	Grid one motor sports donated $200.
	Not shocked at all.
	This panel is cool with murdering children.
	Suck my dog.
	What an LPANL.
	Sigh.
	Abdul, get the rocks.
	All the rocks.
	It's crazy.
	Get the rocks.
	Abdul.
	It's just going to make me so grateful to be who I am.
	But I do think that the aftercare for abortions is not a thing.
	And that it's not something because I wasn't prepared for what I was doing right now.
	You know what I mean?
	So I think physically or emotionally.
	And I think.
	No, I was in person, but I was less than eight weeks.
	But I was lucky and found out right away.
	I had time.
	I had time to think about it, but I was homeless right after.
	So I'm asking because you didn't go home and you did pass the mistake.
	No, and I really think that's what I'm saying.
	That's traumatizing, dude.
	Yes.
	And people don't talk about the trauma that you go through.
	I don't want to talk about it because I'm ashamed of myself because it was really bad.
	It was disgusting that I made that choice.
	But that's my choice, not your guys.
	No, but I do agree that it is a selfish thing.
	And I'm going to be honest that the first, when I decided, that was the first decision I ever made that was my own.
	So it made me feel like, okay, I wish I could change for this person, and I wish I could be that person, but I can't.
	And I do wish I would have done adoption stuff, but I couldn't.
	I wasn't in the place.
	Also, mental health is a huge thing as well.
	Which I have PMDD.
	So when I got pregnant, yeah.
	But anyway, we're going to incorporate the abortion conversation into tomorrow's show.
	You pick this up off the street.
	No, no, it's good.
	You were just walking to get coffee because I had to do it.
	I had to say they weren't getting it.
	It's good.
	Like, I think it's been a very, it's a good panel, right, Andrew?
	Good panel.
	I think it's a fantastic panel.
	Thank you guys for letting me be able to talk about that, by the way, because no one in my life knows about it because I'm not going to talk about it.
	No, but that's what I want.
	We want to create strange skinny people to do that.
	So anyways.
	So anyway, really quick, I did want to go into one thing really quick, but we are going to move it on.
	I think it was you.
	You were saying something about, I don't know precisely how you worded it.
	Andrew brought it up.
	Something about how what's a way in which men don't have rights over their body?
	Asking what government policy prevents you from doing something you want with your own body.
	So I actually have two that kind of relate to bodily autonomy.
	But it was posed by you or by you?
	Both of us.
	And then I said Kamala asked that identical question.
	And is that a question that you have?
	Yeah, I can't think of a single body or a single law that would prevent you from doing what you want with your body.
	It's not a decision, but you actually feel the same.
	So hold on, hold on.
	I feel passionate about the belief.
	Is it your position that there is no way that a man lacks bodily autonomy?
	I think if you wanted to do literally anything you want with your body, I don't think anyone in the government's stopping you.
	And if you can name one thing, let me know because I would love to learn.
	But I can't think of anything else because I'm no one's forcing you guys to get the sectomy.
	Hold on.
	The only thing I can think of is as an infant you being circumcised, and that is something I wholeheartedly in the world.
	You can't alive yourself either.
	You've done what?
	You can't unalive yourself.
	Okay, hold on.
	I mean, but you can.
	You're not going to jail for it.
	You'll be dead.
	Yeah, but it's hang on.
	But it's the question.
	The question that you asked wasn't whether you could do something.
	Oh, that's what I'm asking.
	Can they?
	No, no, no, no.
	That's not what you're asking, because what you're actually asking is...
	The government's not going to stop you from killing yourself.
	Okay, you got to not cut me off every time I try to talk.
	So, no, the question which you asked was: can you name a law which governs men's bodies because that's what's happening to women.
	There's a law governing their bodies.
	Yes, there's a law that says you cannot unalive yourself.
	There's a law strictly pertaining to life.
	Yes, you're not allowed to do that.
	So that would be a law that governs his body.
	Do you feel about passionate about fighting for your right to kill yourself?
	Because I feel passionate about how to prevent children.
	You got to use a different fucking word.
	Hold on, you've got to use a fucking different word.
	We've got to use a different fucking word.
	I would like to actually finish my point here.
	Yeah, my bad.
	So when it comes, I mean, while it is not by law a requirement that children are circumcised, feminists constantly make arguments about, well, there isn't a law, there's a societal culture that mistreats women in this way or privileges men in this way.
	So I think circumcision is actually a fantastic argument when it specifically comes to bodily autonomy as it relates to men.
	Secondly, there actually is one.
	So forced military conscription.
	So all men in the United States compelled by law are required to register with a selective service, which in the event of a war would compel them to essentially be cannon fodder in a military conflict.
	Secondly, even if there wasn't a military conflict, if a man fails under law to register for the selective service, there are significant ramifications to this.
	For example, they can't vote.
	They are not allowed to have certain federal jobs, federal careers.
	They can't get students.
	They can be imprisoned and fined.
	Yes, it's a felony.
	$250,000 fine.
	There's some other potential ramifications.
	And women are not subject to that, by the way.
	And you know what?
	You know what?
	I really appreciate you bringing that point up because this is where the point really lies here: you're 100% correct.
	And the difference between you and I is that I would fight till the end for that to not be the case for you guys, but you guys would not fight for me.
	Clearly.
	I would fight till the end to make sure that's not, because I completely disagree with that for men.
	Men should not have to be forced off.
	I completely agree.
	Wait, wait, so I'll fight till the end for you in that regard.
	So first off, you men would protect you.
	So you guys are shifting the goalpost.
	Yeah, first off, you haven't.
	I don't need men to protect me.
	I've protected myself.
	Actually, you do need men to protect you.
	Really?
	From who?
	Other men?
	Because I can't tell you how many times I've protected myself.
	I need to win to protect you.
	You need them to protect you.
	I don't need you guys to protect me.
	Can you stop interrupting?
	You've got to allow people to actually.
	Yeah, I'm talking.
	I'm done.
	You need to allow people to actually speak instead of just constantly interrupting them.
	It's very simple.
	We let you talk.
	Okay.
	So two things.
	First, you absolutely do need men to protect you.
	This may be by proxy, either through the military or through law enforcement officers.
	I'm assuming if somebody you know were to be murdered, you would not just protect yourself, you would not investigate it yourself.
	You would appeal to who?
	Primarily men who are in law enforcement.
	I'm assuming, unless you just, if someone you know who got murdered, you'd hope it was an investigation.
	I would appeal to law enforcement as a whole, not to specifically men in law enforcement.
	And to be quite honest with you, if I, I mean, I don't personally own a gun.
	Maybe I will one day.
	I don't know.
	I don't really feel strongly either way at this moment in time about it.
	But I can tell you, if I need protection, if I own a gun, I don't need your muscles.
	I'm actually, I can handle it.
	Sure.
	I don't need, I just need to.
	Here's the thing: I need tools.
	I don't need men.
	I need tools.
	And men hoard all the tools and resources.
	So I have to ask you guys for those tools.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	I can use them myself.
	I know how to use them.
	Men are stopping women from building guns.
	No, that's not what I said.
	Like, you're taking it literally because you can't look at the bigger picture.
	I'm saying that, like, I have always been in a position in every job I've been in school, everywhere, is that there's a man who's in power over me that I have to go to to get to get better.
	I have to go to to get the promotion.
	I have to go to to convince the right menu.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Like, I have the tools myself.
	I don't need you because I have to ask you for them.
	You need to stop being not allowing me to go point by point on this.
	Now you're talking about promotions and stuff.
	Let's go back to the draft.
	So you made two claims there.
	You made the claim that, well, if I was in your position, I would advocate that men not be drafted.
	So let's talk about that.
	Okay.
	So I know you live in like fairy tale land where in your world, military conflict would never exist, even if women hold it.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	In the same way, you're strong.
	Okay.
	In your fairytale world, even if women had all the power, held all positions of power, perhaps you think that there would not be any military conflicts.
	I think this is wrong.
	There would still be military conflicts regardless.
	So you're saying that you would advocate that the draft, there should be no draft period.
	Yes, what I'm advocating for, because you're right, in anyone's idyllic world, who wants war?
	No one wants war.
	So in my idyllic world, there wouldn't be war, sure.
	But I know war is a necessity.
	I'm very aware of that.
	I'm not saying that we can't survive without war, but I'm saying that the people who participate in that war should be able to choose whether they're men or women.
	That's it.
	I have a son.
	I don't want to know that he's going to be taken against his own will.
	Like, I feel strongly about protecting my sons equally as my daughters.
	But if I were to tell you, it would just, it's almost a waste of time to have a conversation of trying to get rid of the draft because the government will never relinquish its ability to call upon its citizenry in a situation or scenario where the country needs to essentially force its citizenry into the defense of the nation.
	The government, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, will never relinquish this power.
	So, assuming that you can agree that there's no scenario where the draft will never exist.
	You're right, in the society that we've built.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Is a lot of shit in the society needs to be dismantled, dude, because it doesn't work.
	Work never going back.
	It doesn't work.
	This is not the only way that we can work.
	There's many ways.
	Working conflict is never going to go away.
	You're right, it's not, but there's different ways to go about it, is my point.
	And do I have all the answers?
	No.
	But is the way we're doing it currently satisfying everyone?
	No.
	We need to do something different.
	That's what I'm saying.
	We need, and that's what is the issue here: I love this country and I want to make it better.
	I'm not talking shit about this country.
	I'm saying there's flaws with it and I want to help improve it.
	Okay, but so you're saying I would advocate for you guys, but you guys won't advocate for me.
	So, again, I'll say it again: there's no scenario where the government is going to relinquish their right to draft the citizenry.
	So, then wouldn't you agree that perhaps in this situation, women should also be subject to military conscription?
	Yes, 100%.
	It needs to be equally different.
	Either everyone gets to choose or no one gets to choose.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Would it suck?
	Yes.
	But it would be 100 years of equality when it comes to voting, women still are not obliged to be subject to military conscription.
	And so, because of this, that is precisely one example in which men don't have bodily autonomy.
	So, you're not actually addressing my argument here.
	You're just saying, well, I would advocate that men should not be drafted.
	But I'm telling you currently, as a rebuttal to your point, of men don't have bodily autonomy, it's actually quite the opposite.
	What about, we know mental health sucks in this country for everyone, men, women, children, doesn't matter who you are.
	But when the military does drafts, I know they don't take people with bipolar, BPD, all these other mental illnesses.
	So, if we're going to compare the two between abortion rights and being drafted for the military, what about women who have severe mental deficits, who struggle to live day to day, who necessarily in the drafts wouldn't be drafted but are still forced to carry a child that they mentally or physically are incapable of caring for completely?
	I'm not sure I entirely follow.
	I mean, I would assume that if you have some severe mental incapacity, whether you're a man or a woman, this would preclude you from volunteer service and a draft.
	Even in that country, so that they're protected in that sense, but I mean, women when it comes to abortion rights, right?
	People who suffer from bipolar, all these mental fucking illness, I'm sorry, illnesses that make it not only hard to function as like a day-to-day person, but as a full parent who is responsible for another living being.
	Why would they be forced to carry that child to term if they found out they were pregnant later in life?
	So, just to summarize this, make sure I'm not strawmanning this.
	What you're saying is, yes, okay, this is true.
	Men lose their autonomy this way, and women lose their autonomy this way.
	But the exemptions that men get is that if they have mental health issues, They don't have to go into military service.
	But women, if they have mental health issues, would still have to bear the child.
	So this is not fair, is what you're saying.
	Yeah, it's not fair.
	Now, at least I understand.
	So I do have this down correctly, right?
	Okay.
	So what I would say to this is: okay, fair enough, but you do realize that draft standards, how they're set, are actually designed to be lowered instantly by necessity.
	Yeah, I'm sure if they need to do that.
	Mean that if there's a wonderful thing, they're going to be like, oh, he's a little fucked up.
	Yeah, he's a little fucked up.
	In fact, they will lower the IQ standards significantly.
	Yeah.
	They'll lower all standards across the board.
	Yeah, they just need bodies.
	And so now your BPD, this and that.
	Oh, you got some medication that'll help you with that?
	Get your ass to the front line.
	So essentially, these things will be removed via necessity.
	So it's not a disqualifier from you getting drafted, even with mental illness.
	Like in a perfect world, yeah, but not completely.
	But they don't have that standard for pregnant women.
	I do.
	I mean, I have really quickly one thing on this, and I'll pass it back to Andrew.
	So when it comes to the draft, you'd be forced to do that by the government.
	The government isn't forcing you to have sex.
	No, but sex is a natural and healthy thing.
	No one's forcing you.
	No one's forcing you, but there is a bit of a differentiation there.
	That's all my piece of it.
	It's human nature.
	I feel like on the topic of sex, I feel like people have made sex such a taboo subject when all that matters is communication and consent.
	And if everyone's behaving and having sex in a healthy way, everyone's getting tested properly.
	They're communicating what they have, if they have anything, what partners they've had.
	I don't feel like sex is something that people should be ashamed of.
	Yeah, but I'm not sure how sex being natural negates the fact that it's a choice, whereas conscription would not be.
	And pregnancy usually is an entailment of choice.
	So women who carry pregnancies via SAs, for instance, those are outliers.
	Those are rare, right?
	Most pregnancies are not.
	It happens.
	It does happen.
	I will say, I'm not disputing it.
	I'm just saying that that's not the vast overwhelming majority, not even close.
	So taking this into consideration, even if they were to make the SA exemption, oh, you were essayed, fine, then you can have the abortion.
	And those exemptions do exist.
	The exemption on the draft, there's still no choice.
	Whereas the sex is a choice, which leads to the pregnancy.
	I think the problem isn't the people.
	I think the problem isn't the people, it's the government who wants to tell us what to do.
	You have to go in the draft.
	I have to have this baby.
	I think that in itself is what's wrong, not the fact that, oh, men have these privileges and men have this and that.
	The government set that up, not each individual person.
	We are merely here existing in this country based off what we've been taught and told and learned through thousands of years of the world.
	And you have a representative government.
	So they're representing the will of you.
	Isn't that what the point is?
	But are they really representing every single person in this country?
	Well, I mean, but that would be in the realm of impossibility, regardless of the government archetype you're at.
	That's why I feel every person should have the right to choose what they want to do with their person.
	Obviously, murder is wrong.
	You can't do something else, something to someone else.
	That's, you know, murder.
	You're killing them, not respecting boundaries, consent, all this shit.
	Do you mind if I test this logic real quick?
	Yeah.
	So you have kids.
	Okay.
	So your kid is an adult, when they reach an adult stage, they should be able to do what they want, right?
	Pertaining to themselves, yeah, pertaining to themselves.
	So, your kid runs into your room, pulls out a heater, puts it up to their head, and says, This is it, mom.
	I'm doing it, and I'm an adult.
	Are you gonna let her?
	I mean, at that point, that's someone you would need to get help for.
	Yeah, yeah, any logical person going through something, yeah, that goes back to mental health.
	Mental health is fucking.
	So, they so not everybody should have the right to do whatever they want, then he has the right.
	Yeah, so then why would you try to stop him?
	Because I love them, right?
	So, wait, so your love for them, you would interject and take that right away from them, right?
	Out of love for them.
	I would offer them help, yeah.
	Okay, you would offer them help by not letting them do that first.
	You would do whatever you could so that they put the heater down and didn't do it right then, right?
	That's exactly what Christians are trying to do for you.
	But that's my opinion.
	That's on that topic, on that topic.
	Yeah, on my own.
	Can I touch them back on that topic?
	Because that's someone who grew up in religion in a toxic toxic.
	You did?
	I did.
	I grew up a Jehovah's Witness.
	Wow.
	I grew up in a cult.
	I did not celebrate my birthday, Christmas, nothing for the majority of my childhood.
	And the man who damn near beat my mother into submission to join him in this cult justified his actions towards his family with the Bible.
	I know I can't, you guys mentioned we can't say the word on here, but starts with a yeah.
	Yeah, I gotta move it.
	I gotta move it on, but that's fine.
	All right, the beacon to the panel point to a heteronormative cisgendered white male of privilege who owes society reparations.
	Don't read this part.
	This what happened?
	Just a half-z?
	I guess, I guess, I guess that's the big thing here.
	I guess that's what I know the reparations.
	Is that it?
	Theoretically, I don't believe in reparations.
	Wait, can you pop it back up?
	Nope.
	Oh, it's a one and done.
	He said, Don't read this part, and we didn't read it.
	I'm confused.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	He put it out there.
	He said, Don't read it.
	Put it out there.
	You know what is interesting, though, about the abortion debate is like how dudes aren't brought in.
	It's always like, if a woman gets president, it was your choice, have sex, da-da-da.
	And it's like, bro, is this Mother Mary Immaculate Conception?
	Like, it takes two to tango.
	So I feel like we need to bring guys in more than decision making.
	He stuck his penis into her and ejaculated.
	He's saying that she's pregnant.
	He's like, pretty much involved in the world.
	So bring them in.
	Yeah, but like bring him in house.
	Ejaculate.
	Right.
	No, I'm saying he's part of it, but she says, bring him in.
	I'm asking how.
	I think conversations like this, debates like this, instead of it being among women, bring guys in and you know, voting, of course.
	And I think that the reality is, like, again, like all of these topics, most people actually lie in the middle on this.
	And it's not an extreme of you're a murderous baby killer thing that's good and bad.
	Like, how do you do that?
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And, you know, and by, and someone mentioned that Roe v. Wade is gone.
	And I don't know if you can, most of you guys probably know.
	It's not gone.
	It just wasn't codified right on the federal level.
	So it's caked down to the states.
	But, you know, I think voting and, you know, democracy, man, that's.
	What if a man wants the kid, but she wants an abortion?
	Does he not get a say in that?
	Because she gets dealt with.
	That happens, yeah.
	Yeah.
	That happens.
	That's where it gets complicated, right?
	Right.
	I don't see things as black and white.
	Exactly.
	I don't think you should just look at because that's complicated.
	That's not your, it is your body, but that's someone else's kid.
	So you have to find balance.
	And that's why I think there should be more resources for people to get through pregnancy and be able to give the child away if they want to do that.
	Well, if the father primarily wanted to take care of it, you know, and the mother.
	But there has to be both sides.
	At the root of all this, and Andrew said it before he got up, but it really is when it comes down to it and boils down to it, it really is a religious debate.
	I'm a pro-choice girl again within reason.
	I think after a certain amount of time, it shouldn't be until term.
	That's my point of view.
	I recently had a debate with a very pro-life, you know, Christian conservative, and they truly believe that this is where life starts.
	So I disagree, but again, I can respect his, that's his point of view, is his point of view.
	So, you know, I think a lot of this boils down to that and the morality of that.
	That's what it works.
	That's what we have in this country.
	That's one freedom we do have is freedom of religion.
	And everyone reserves the right to practice their own religion without forcing it on anyone else.
	There's separations of church and state.
	If you want to have a country where you have a representative government, then the government's going to have to represent the will of the people.
	If the major will of the people, if the major will of the people, the majority bloc of people are religious, they have every right to put people in systems of government power who share their religious values.
	And why does it say separation of church and state?
	It doesn't say separation church and state anywhere in the Constitution.
	Nowhere.
	Nowhere.
	Not anyplace.
	So Christians are the superior and most valued people and no one else's religious rights.
	I'm sorry, I didn't say anything like that.
	But what I said specifically.
	So you did, because you're like, we're doing you a favor.
	What I said, what's this?
	Just like she's doing it.
	My nature, that's what you're doing.
	Just like she's doing her kid a favor, she's superior to him?
	What part?
	Saving them from saving them from unaliving themselves.
	That's because she's superior to her.
	I want to help them go.
	Right, exactly.
	But you're not giving me support and making choices for me.
	How would you?
	Because you're not a religious person.
	That's your role.
	So, okay, that's great.
	But it's not your kid's right.
	My kid can do whatever it is.
	So unless he come in and do that, then you're going to try to stop him.
	Is it going to fucking hurt?
	Would I be traumatized and broken?
	Absolutely, yes.
	So you're changing your answer and you would just let me know.
	I'm not changing my answer because I never said I would physically stop them.
	I said.
	You would try to physically stop them?
	I said I would talk to them and give them the support.
	Okay, great.
	They say, mom.
	They say, you know what, mom?
	I got all this support.
	I got it all.
	And I just don't want to change my mind.
	I'm still going to do it.
	And you know what?
	In a perfect world where I have to come to that decision, if my child is suffering that much, I don't want them to suffer.
	Whatever makes them feel better, there's assisted medical suicides in other countries right now.
	Whatever, you know, if they, I hope to raise a child who isn't that broken from the society or things that have happened to him to choose to act on that.
	But if my child is fucking suffering, suffering, their brain, whatever is wrong, They physically cannot take living.
	It is a torture every day.
	Who am I to tell them you can't do that because I'm gonna parent you and two different things.
	So it's not two different things.
	It actually is consistent with the children.
	Okay, so we'll finish the exchange.
	So, anyway, so to dive into this, you have just described, right, every mother consoling their son or daughter after a horrific breakup, where they're so emotionally in pain they just can't take it and they don't see an end to the suffering in sight and it's, they feel like it's gonna last forever.
	But you say no, my intuition, this is gonna stop one day.
	Now, it might not, it might not actually stop one day, but you just intuitively make that decision for them, don't you?
	You say no, it's gonna stop one day.
	So if you want to unalive yourself over this right now, i'm gonna fucking stop you right right, i'm not.
	I'm not gonna tell him what he can and can't do.
	Am I gonna put?
	Am I gonna tell him that I would be fucking, I would be a mess, I would be broken?
	I don't know if I could continue on without my child being there, but so you're so wait.
	So I just want to make sure I get this right.
	Your kid, 18 years old, comes to you.
	It's been 18 weeks of just agonizing, suffering for them emotionally, because mrs Wright left him okay, and he's right in front of you and he says, you know what mom, i'm just gonna, i'm just gonna put an end to this and he pulls out that heater up to the head.
	Right, that's what he wants and you're gonna respect that.
	I'm gonna say, what can I do to help you?
	Yeah, and he says nothing.
	This is what I want and that's where you get that.
	Hang on, let her finish.
	That's, let her finish.
	That's shit.
	That's just like grandiose stuff that is out of my control.
	I can't.
	So you wouldn't try to stop him, or you would.
	Am I gonna physically go and grab?
	Yeah, would you physically grab it?
	Sure, of course i'm gonna grab him, not the gun.
	So you're gonna try to stop him.
	I'm gonna try to talk to him.
	Yeah yeah, what I want.
	You're gonna do everything you can to stop that.
	Why do you, or anyone who identifies as Christian, think they know what is best?
	For the same reason that you think you know what's best for that ego, you're not that you don't know me.
	Yeah, here's the thing.
	Regardless of if I knew you or didn't know you, I know what is moral and what is not moral.
	She's gonna pay.
	Okay, this is.
	This is kind of what I was getting at.
	Your argument and you're entitled, of course, to your views are predicate is predicated on the fact that a fetus is a living, is a full-blown human living, being right.
	People disagree with that.
	Okay, we're into the internal protection people, but people out there, when they like to hear about this, people disagree with me talking about a.
	Wow, incredible.
	Honestly, you're acting like you don't.
	I need to move an argument.
	I gotta move on.
	By its nature, anyone with common sense understands I do have to move things on.
	I have maybe one or two things here.
	There is a chat related to this grid I we will still get to yours.
	That came in a while ago.
	Uh wish, Kristen Stewart, should men be able to choose to not pay child support?
	Or is it only women allowed to avoid parenthood?
	Sad that there are so many degenerates that think this is okay, among other things, do better social media, Kristen Stewart, i'd go Lesbo for her, not gonna.
	Thank you for sharing.
	You're welcome.
	Uh, should men be able to choose to not pay child support?
	I don't know what's going on on the topic of how you mentioned earlier that men should also have a say in this, because you know it didn't take just one person to create that life.
	But should men start trying uh, paying child support from the date of conception if they are going to keep it, since you want to consider this child alive.
	You can't answer a question with a question, so Well, I think it allows me to do it.
	It's a valid question, but I basically answered it.
	You don't have to answer the question.
	Do you think men should pay child support?
	I do think men should pay child support.
	But also, do you think should they pay child support while the woman's pregnant?
	It's not really if they both agree to keep it, yes.
	There's medical bills that go with pregnancy.
	But if it's so, to answer the actual question, though, should men be able to choose to not pay child support?
	They can choose not to.
	There's many people who don't.
	You just sit for the rest of the year.
	My son's father doesn't pay child support, and I don't request him to.
	Is he on it?
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't ask for anything.
	I do.
	Oh, okay.
	Is it, I must have missed that part.
	Just wondering.
	Is it 50-50 custody?
	No, I have sole custody.
	You have sole custody?
	Okay.
	And so he pays you child support?
	No, he pays me nothing.
	Okay.
	I've taken care of my son from the day he was born by myself.
	You do know that you could compel him through the government to pay child support, though.
	I know.
	If you're so inclined.
	I don't.
	Okay.
	I don't need his money to care for my child.
	I'm able to do it myself.
	But for people who are unable, that again circles back to people below poverty line being forced to have kids.
	But so, to, I guess, answer the question.
	Wait, let's say they chose to.
	Let's just say they chose to.
	So then now they're being compelled still to pay child support, right?
	Just based on what the woman choosing to keep the kid.
	Man has no say, right?
	No.
	No.
	Okay, so then by your logic earlier, you said the government should stay at the hell out of this.
	If that is true, if you take your kid against the man's wishes, right, the child is born, shouldn't the man then be able to opt out of paying this?
	You know what?
	If they want to opt out of paying for it, let them opt out.
	I think that just speaks more on the character of the man.
	So in other words, would you agree then that, okay, if men made a compromise, you can have abortions if we can opt out of child support?
	Would you take that deal?
	It kind of goes into my answer.
	Let her answer the question.
	I wasn't sure if you wanted to go or not.
	Sorry.
	I mean, sure, why not?
	Okay.
	All right.
	So going around the table, should men be able to choose to not pay child support?
	I think that women and men, if either or doesn't want to keep it and they choose, we have the option to not choose, then the government should step in and help either or who wants to support that child.
	Because that's if they want to force them to have the kids.
	Yeah, I do think, but I also have been around men who have gotten child support from women and who have struggled with that.
	So I think that it's an equality thing to me.
	If you don't want to choose to have a kid, then that's fine.
	But I think that the government instead, if it wants people to have kids and support women in that way, should step in if we're doing that.
	Okay, so I'll ask you the same question.
	Of course.
	If you could make a deal tomorrow between Republicans and Democrats, and the deal was that, okay, you cannot any longer govern our bodily autonomy.
	It's our right now to choose whether or not we have children or not.
	And they countered with, okay, as long as it's the right of men to opt out of ever having to support that child.
	Yeah, I think I would agree to that.
	I would support that, honestly.
	I think I would need to see where it goes, but I would, because that's what I want.
	I don't want anyone to be in a position that they don't consent to, whoever you are, whatever gender or whatever.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think just restate your position.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	I think that they should have the decision to decide if they want to pay child support or not then.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we should all be able to choose what we want to do.
	So if you don't want to have a baby and you're a man and the woman's choosing to keep it, you shouldn't have to be financially responsible.
	That also means that you don't get rights to the child, though.
	You need to fuck off at that point.
	But also, vice versa.
	If the woman's like, I don't want my body to expand, I don't want to give birth or possibly have a C-section, which is a major surgery.
	Like, if I don't want to do those things, tough shit.
	Especially if you guys fucked with the intention of just fucking.
	If you guys didn't say, like, I want to make a baby and it was an accident, either person should be able to say, this is what wasn't what I signed up for and be able to opt out.
	You know, I don't have a clean, I don't have kids.
	This definitely isn't my wheelhouse.
	Kind of similar to the abortion debate.
	I feel like it takes two to tango.
	You know, the woman just doesn't come up with it on her own.
	So I feel like it would make sense that they have an obligation, but I feel like it's situational.
	If it's an instance where the woman wants it and he doesn't, well.
	That's the instance.
	I feel like that would be then her responsibility.
	She's choosing that.
	Okay, so men should be able to choose to not pay child support.
	Yes, if the government is forcing them, the government should pay.
	I don't like the government being hands in.
	In a scenario where a woman.
	The little government hands in is possible.
	Okay, in a scenario where women have the right to have an abortion, which is the case in quite a bit of the U.S., should men be able to choose to not pay child support?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I also think that in that situation, it's very, like, communication is very important.
	And if the man decides to not want a child, and yeah, he should have the option to not want to pay child support.
	Okay.
	I have a really quick anecdote.
	I'm related, completely related to this.
	My friend in high school, he and this girl had relations.
	She got pregnant.
	She didn't tell him the whole time.
	He kept asking her, is that my kid?
	Is that my kid?
	And she said no.
	Kids born, she's like, oh, I'm surprised it's yours.
	And she was supposed to give the kid up for adoption, though, but she ended up wanting to keep it.
	And he wanted to give up his rights.
	He still had to go through a lot just to get his rights, like remove his, like, just give up his rights.
	He still owed a lot of money.
	And it actually, they garnished his wages.
	And they also tried to threaten him with jail.
	So it's not that easy to just give up your rights for that.
	But I think he should have been able to just give up his rights.
	A lot of plush to men and women.
	For you guys, because your answers were interesting.
	You said, sure, I think in that case, I would definitely take that deal where they could opt out and not pay any support.
	And then the woman could go ahead and have the child.
	Would you still take that deal if there was no government assistance for women?
	I mean, I think so, because I would hope that community is enough sometimes.
	Like, I think that I don't know.
	That's what I'm striving for in my life to be surrounded by people who would want to be supportive of each other, creating families and raising good people.
	But I, yeah, I would be okay with it because I think we could.
	Would it be ideal or my favorite thing for people who struggle?
	No.
	But equality is more important to me than, because like you keep talking about, is there is a majority.
	And like I am in a minority as a lesbian in this country, in the world.
	So I have to acknowledge that.
	But I think that, again, I just want everyone to have, and maybe it's too idealistic.
	I don't know.
	I don't have a solution, so I'm not able to say what I think should happen.
	But I do think that people should consent to what they want and know that we don't always get what we want at the end of the day.
	And that's, you have to deal with that.
	Would you agree with that too then?
	Yeah, no, I totally, I would agree with that.
	And I think it's just kind of hard because if you think of more little nuanced examples, like if the man, the one-night stand, let's say it's a one-night stand, if he tells her from the get-go, like, yo, I don't want this, sorry, I'm out.
	Then that woman at that choice still has time to maybe get an abortion or consider adoption.
	She has time.
	But like when you have a man the whole pregnancy going, I'm here for you, baby, I support you.
	And then you give birth and he runs away, like, you know, like then the woman, maybe she would have chosen to have an abortion if she knew months or so, you know what I mean?
	So there's so many nuances in different situations that are different.
	But I would just say across the board, my strong held belief is that any human, regardless of gender, can choose what they want to do with their life.
	If you don't choose to be a parent, you should not be forced to be a parent financially or otherwise.
	That doesn't actually make sense, though, because why?
	Because your argument is about consent.
	That's what I'm saying is that I'm not going to be able to do it.
	So wait a second.
	So wait a second.
	It wouldn't actually matter if a guy was with his live-in girlfriend or even his wife.
	Yeah.
	And they were banging every single day unprotected.
	Yeah.
	He just has to not consent, right?
	Right.
	And but that's that's true at the baseline.
	You have to draw the line somewhere.
	So it is true.
	And that's where it gets more into it's honestly just going to make that man look like an asshole.
	If he was there for her her whole pregnancy and acted like he abandoned her, he's going to look like an asshole.
	But I think that's what I'm saying.
	I think it's okay.
	I mean, I don't think it's morally okay, but I think it's legally, you have to draw the line somewhere.
	And I do believe legally no one should force anyone to be a parent because truthfully, some people aren't meant to be parents.
	They don't want to.
	I'm not talking about him being a parent.
	I know, but I understand that, but like that is financially support.
	Like you can choose: do I want to financially support a new life?
	Do I want to emotionally be involved with them?
	Like there's many levels to parenthood, but sending a check is some level of healthy parenting.
	So you should be able to choose at any point in time, even if you're a fucking asshole and do everything.
	You can still do it.
	Since it's based around consent.
	Yeah.
	It's morally wrong, but legally friendly.
	If you're married, you're with your wife, right?
	You're a man.
	You didn't consent, okay, to get her pregnant.
	Yeah, you didn't consent to having a baby.
	She got pregnant with your kid, even though you know sex leads to that, even though you're, you know, you're having unprotected sex.
	Yeah.
	You think it should be his right to opt out from raising the kid and pay no support, right?
	Yeah, I think that morally that's really shitty of him.
	I think it speaks a lot, volumes, about what a piece of shit he probably is.
	However, does that, I don't think that man should for the next 18 years be forced to be into something if he didn't say to her, I'm intentionally getting you pregnant right now.
	I'm doing this on purpose.
	Like this is what we want.
	Like if he told, because you are allowed to have sex with no intention of getting pregnant, that's, I think, a human right.
	I don't think you should be required to breed just because you're horny sometimes.
	Like, luckily for me, that's not an issue now.
	But like, you know what I mean?
	Like, it's like, I think it morally sucks and would make me not like that person, but I don't think they should be financially, I don't think they should have their checks garnished.
	However, in the same token, they need to fuck off.
	They can't contact that woman.
	They can't be like, oh, five years from now, I want to see the baby.
	No, you made your bed.
	You lied in it.
	Like, that was the choice you made.
	I actually would support this policy for a completely different reason than you would.
	But I actually would support it for a totally different reason.
	I gave my assumption.
	Because it would, well, because if men could absent pregnancy anytime the same way that women can, or let's just give them the first nine months, just like as a grace period.
	Fuck it, right?
	They get nine months just like a woman gets nine months.
	Let's just say you're Eula sees the pagan donated $200.
	Women complain of men-man planning all the time, but that's exactly what the panel is doing.
	I think she means.
	But when you do it, it's help stop it.
	Get some help.
	So, anyway, get some help.
	So I was saying, yeah, I think let's just give him the same nine-month grace period, okay, after the kid is born.
	Say he doesn't have any decision, the nine months, the kid's going to be born.
	So now he has the nine months.
	Now we're totally fair across the board.
	And then that first nine months, he's like, I don't like this.
	I don't consent.
	And he gets to walk, right?
	Think that sexual promiscuity would do that.
	Kind of over.
	So I'm kind of okay with moving towards such a policy because I think that when women were left with the entailment of the decision of sexual intercourse and keeping the kid if they wanted to, but then could not compel a man to support them, I think that they would be a lot choosier about who they had sex with.
	It boils down to two adults having open communication.
	That's all it is.
	Because I hope the people getting pregnant to have the option to choose to have these kids are adults.
	But I gave my son's father the choice in the beginning.
	We were together.
	He wanted to be there.
	And then when it came time, while I'm pushing my child out, I gave birth to my son 6:30 p.m., 4:30 p.m. I still have a screenshot to this day of my son's father being like, I don't want anything to do with y'all.
	Stay away from me and my family, blah, blah, blah.
	Two months later, he's back asking, you know, oh, can I FaceTime him?
	Can I see you?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	I gave him the option about a year or two.
	You're either in it and going to help me take care of him, or you're going to fuck off and let me raise my child.
	Yeah.
	So it comes down to two adults who are willing and able to communicate.
	And I feel like if you can't communicate, why are you even having sex?
	Because you can't have sex without communicating.
	Okay.
	Wait, so just so I understand, and I do have to move this on.
	Yeah.
	Initially, he said he didn't want to be involved.
	He initially said he wanted to be involved.
	He went through a party with his family.
	Then he kind of backed out.
	Then I left because he was abusive.
	So I left him.
	And then, yeah.
	I took some MILF.
	Sorry, that was Nick.
	Who pressed that?
	What the hell, Nick?
	All right, I gotta do it.
	I gotta get through a couple of the chats here.
	Okay, the beacon.
	That's odd.
	First off, buddy.
	I do appreciate your patronage.
	We actually did ask your question.
	The question was, it was name one cis white heteronormative male who owes reparations.
	It was posed to the panel.
	Perhaps your question ought to be, I think it could perhaps have been a bit more clear.
	They pointed at me and that was it.
	They answered your question, but just since you're spamming the chat, I'll ask it again, to be fair.
	The beacon.
	So the question was, one second, let me just make sure I get it perfectly right.
	I can't even pull it up.
	Okay, here it is.
	Point to a heteronormative, cisgendered white male of privilege who owes society reparations.
	Ronald Reagan and Trickle Down Economics.
	Okay, we'll go around the panel.
	Go ahead.
	Point.
	Anyone who has it in the room, then yeah.
	I guess I think that all white people and all people should be paying reparations in some way.
	I feel like if you are a white person who generationally comes from this country and your status, wherever you are in this society, was built off the backs of enslaved people, you do own reparations.
	If you were a part of the colonization of all the original people of this country.
	But what if I had a black ex-wife and took care of her for many years?
	That's a form of payment.
	That's a form of reparation.
	If you're respecting them, if you respect them as a person, that's uplifting a person in their community.
	Something a lot of black women don't.
	So then I'm exempt.
	I mean, you would don't.
	Am I saying you have to go send everybody a monthly check?
	No, but I think reparations go further than financial.
	It's respect for the person as a person.
	It's, you know?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Eakin, I hope that satisfies you.
	We're not there on the panel for that one.
	I mean, okay, so, all right.
	Robert Tanner, end-to-end rates by men is 3.85 times the rate of women per the CDC in the U.S. White males is 68% of this per the CDC.
	If you need confirm ASP.org, putting some facts in perspective for this panel.
	Also, curious, does the panel think this is moral, good, or right?
	Why are men doing this in much higher rates?
	Men do have a big load and weight on their shoulders to be providers, but unfortunately, that is a system that was set up by the men that came before them.
	You know, the men that built this country.
	That's, I'm not saying it's a wait, because I actually think there's a mating pressure that is directional from women to men.
	Not all women.
	Oh, but let's just say it's even 50% of women.
	If it's 50% of women, that would preclude, assuming there's one-to-one partnering ratios.
	That would preclude 50% of men from being able to get into a relationship, marry, have children, reproduce.
	So if women's own standard, even if it's 50%, I actually think it's more than 50%, but let's just say it's 50% of women have an expectation that men pay for first aids, men be providers, men pay for dates into the relationship.
	Men are just generally providers throughout the entire course of the relationship.
	Then how is this actually, you said, but it's because of men.
	Wouldn't it actually be because of women due to an incredibly powerful mating pressure that's placed on men by women?
	In this society, yes, evolutionary speaking, yes, but men set up and designed the system for women to stay home and be homemakers to need that from men.
	You know, women weren't, women for thousands of years have been homemakers.
	Set that up the opposite way.
	Women didn't build this country.
	No, when women demanded the right to vote and they demanded the right to enter into the workplace, they doubled the labor force.
	If you double something, it becomes less valuable.
	Well, the commodity becomes less valuable.
	So now you need two incomes.
	It goes to the market.
	But hang on, but hang on.
	Let me finish my argument.
	So now you need two incomes to raise a family, whereas you only needed one income before.
	So the thing that's interesting about this is, well, kind of out of the one side, you say, well, wait a second.
	It's men's fault because the way society is currently geared.
	I'm not going to say it's your fault.
	I think it's the people who built this country.
	This argument.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Because it is what you're saying, and I can explain how.
	You're saying, wait a second.
	Men put us in this conditional, right?
	Men did this because men were the ones traditionally who were in power.
	It's like, yeah, and under men, we only needed one income to support a family.
	Now we need two because women doubled the workforce and demanded to be in the workforce.
	So it's like, isn't that kind of what the doctor ordered then?
	Women wanting the right to earn their own money without a man, because it doesn't necessarily have to, oh, we want the right to work just because some women want to live without men.
	That's fine.
	But it completely ignores the fact of inflation and how over the years people are making significantly less.
	They inflated the workforce.
	They inflated it massively.
	So what they did was now you have a ton of entry-level women who could be paid less.
	And yes, there was a war, and a bunch of rich industrialists took advantage of this in order to push through an amendment that when it was put to women to vote on, their right to vote, they voted against it.
	Isn't that interesting?
	They voted against it because they did not want to be interchangeable widgets with men.
	It was far preferable for them to live in a society where they did not have to work.
	But that is bullshit.
	Oh, what's bullshit?
	I will say this is where they arrive, where the patriarchy of the past and the systems in place set it up so women were looking at crack open a history book.
	Women were second class, not in politics, not in the workforce, able to earn their own money, whatever it may be.
	Open a bank account.
	Exactly.
	Dress to start vote.
	Hang on.
	That's true.
	But you're not going to be able to do that.
	They also incurred absolutely no debt.
	They also had tons of societal privileges that men didn't have to be a lot of people.
	You got to let me finish an argument.
	Can I finish the, okay, then why don't you tell me my argument?
	The whole point, though.
	No, no, no.
	Let her talk.
	Let her talk.
	Tell me my argument since you know it already.
	You're trying to say that women appreciate not having to work and stuff.
	And there are groups of women.
	No, that wasn't my argument.
	So next time, so next time, so since that's not my argument, next time I'm in the middle of making my argument, please let me finish making it like I've done for you the whole night.
	That would be swell.
	Remember, there's one of me, there's tons of you.
	So anyway, back to the conversation we were having.
	He talks to you like that?
	Before, oh, it's okay to cut me off, do whatever you want to me.
	If I say something bad, you cut us off too.
	How many of you are there?
	You still cut us off, but guys.
	I'm sorry.
	When you're having a conversation with nine people, if you want to get in the conversation, sometimes you're going to have to be a bit aggressive.
	So anyway, as we're having this exchange, let's try this again.
	Here's my argument back to you.
	My argument back to you is: wait a second, you're only pointing out the cons to that, not the pros.
	So you're not pointing out the fact that women are still the most in debt in this nation.
	They incur the most, well, men slightly, but they really shouldn't be.
	Okay?
	The incurrence of debt from women was not even a thing.
	They could hold property.
	They absolutely could hold property.
	That's a complete myth.
	You made it up.
	They totally could hold property.
	Yes, they could.
	And tomorrow you'll learn this because I'm going to teach it to you.
	But yes, they absolutely could.
	100% could hold property.
	I'm going to be honest.
	I feel like you guys, like, do you really believe this stuff outside of the show?
	Like, all of this stuff?
	Does your wife work?
	My wife has a book called Occult Feminism.
	She's the best anti-feminist debater on the earth on the planet.
	What's it called again?
	I'm just interested in what it is.
	What's called occult feminism?
	No, I'm genuinely curious.
	What is her, what's the crux of her opinion position?
	Well, I was just telling you the crux of her opinions and positions.
	Well, you weren't speaking for her.
	You were speaking for you.
	So I was just asking you to think they believe the same thing.
	Yeah, what are you talking about?
	She believes in the patriarchy.
	I wouldn't be married to someone I didn't morally agree with.
	Unlike whatever you have going on with your husband, mine's not allowed to go forth with other men.
	He's not allowed to do that.
	Enough tight and jealous.
	Women could own property and have checking accounts.
	In 1907, Auntie Green bailed out Wall Street.
	Crack open a history book sometime.
	Stop buying into feminist lies.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	But do you see how it works?
	Thank you, good one.
	Thank you, Girl.
	I mean, I suppose not because of your way.
	And again, you both have your similar views.
	By the way, me and Andrew don't agree on everything.
	I haven't really talked too much.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, that's good.
	I lost my train of thought.
	Can I just say this whole thing is about suicide?
	Or sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I forgot the word.
	What are we supposed to say?
	On a live side.
	How are we being here?
	I remember what I was going to say.
	No, no, no.
	No, I didn't bring it back there.
	No, no, no.
	I was bringing it back.
	We were asking the question.
	No, no, no.
	I was bringing it to actually a lighter place.
	I didn't know.
	No, no.
	I was bringing it to a lighter place that on the whole it's just unattractive.
	Like, why wouldn't you want women to be did it not cut me off?
	Oh, just go.
	Just go.
	Finish your point.
	What?
	He's cutting me off.
	It's unattractive when a dude is advocating for women to be in these roles, put in their place.
	Like, it's just not cool or hot.
	Why does anybody give a flying fuck what you think is attractive or not?
	Why does anybody give a flying fuck about what you think is attractive?
	On the basis of meeting.
	It's a dating show.
	What are we even saying?
	It's about men and women and gender dynamics.
	And for a dude, like, poke women down, like we're doing Harrison Bunker here.
	Like, what is this?
	Let me see.
	Let me get this right.
	But you two.
	Okay, well, I think it's unattractive.
	Women's liberation shit.
	It's totally unattractive.
	There you go.
	Touche.
	Touche.
	Yeah, the counter to, ooh, what gives me the ick is, oh, well, also gives me the ick to the opposition.
	It just like makes you not you just generalizing because I see them in the comments too.
	It just makes you like a loser and small.
	It's like, what are you so threatened by women?
	Again, it brings us back to the beginning.
	It's like you're in your power.
	Yeah, but I feel like it makes you small-minded and dumb to not give an argument.
	We can agree on something.
	Yeah, I'm not sure, though, how it doesn't make you small-minded and dumb to not give me an argument.
	And instead, tell me about how you feel.
	The argument is that not all women think like your wife.
	And so, as a feminist, I completely support your wife and whatever her ideology is.
	And she can go shout that from the rooftops for the rest of her life.
	And I'm going to applaud her if that's how she really feels.
	But it also means that me, who probably has a wildly different perspective than your wife, should also be allowed to speak and also be equally as heard.
	And we're all allowed to do whatever the fuck we want as long as we're not harming other people.
	No, that's not true.
	In fact, you can't.
	As long as I'm not harming anyone, I'm going to live my life the way I want.
	Even I'm not harming anyone by being harmed.
	You would not advocate that that is true.
	For instance, okay, in the middle of the night, you know nobody's around.
	Okay, you know it for sure.
	You blow through a fucking stop sign, okay?
	Even though there's nobody around, is a cop justified in stopping you?
	I mean, yes, he is, but like, well, I'm sorry, but you didn't harm anybody.
	You knew you wouldn't, didn't even have the potential to harm you.
	But that's the thing, though, is you actually don't know.
	That's the whole point of those laws.
	You don't know if you're going to harm someone because if the light's red, you don't necessarily know if someone's coming around the bend.
	That's why it's red.
	This particular one, you know.
	You're in a two-stop light town, man, and you know there ain't nobody on the road.
	You know 100% there's nobody there.
	And within the confines of the hypothetical, is he justified in pulling you over?
	Of course.
	Of course.
	So if he's justified in pulling you over, then no, this idea of I can do what I want as long as I hurt nobody else.
	The thing is, by the way, that is not obtaining a driver's license.
	I agreed to those rules.
	Boy, wait, you need a driver's license?
	I thought you could do whatever you want unless it's hurting someone else.
	Why can't you drive without a driver's license?
	You're not hurting anybody.
	You are, because in order to get a license, you need to learn to drive.
	Why can't you learn to drive without a license?
	You don't have an education.
	I'm sorry, you can't learn to drive without a life.
	I think the whole point is.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let me finish the argument.
	No, you keep cutting me off.
	Like, the point.
	She cut you off.
	Actually, she's agree.
	She's furthering my point, and I really appreciate what she said.
	You're cutting me off.
	Anyway.
	He was trying to let you just for clarity.
	I was trying to let you finish.
	She cut you off.
	I interjected.
	I appreciate Liza's interjection, and I...
	Well, I don't appreciate her interjection.
	But anyway, go ahead.
	So my point is that like if you just get behind the wheel of a car and you've never driven one before, it's likely you're going to crash it.
	So anyone should have the right to drive as long as they learn to drive.
	Anyone should probably have the right to own a gun as long as they know how to use a gun and they don't have a history of murdering people with guns.
	Like we should have the right to go after whatever life we want.
	But like do I want to be a heart surgeon?
	I don't.
	But like let's say I wanted to be a heart surgeon.
	I should have every opportunity in this world to become one.
	Does that mean I get to just call myself one?
	I still have to learn how to do it or I could harm someone's body in the process.
	So in order to not harm others, I need to get educated before I take on that role.
	So we should be able to do whatever we want.
	To get this right.
	Something in the world you need education.
	Yeah.
	So to get this.
	You should have the right to educate.
	So to get this right, here's your actual argument back to you.
	Okay.
	You should be able to do whatever you want as long as we tell you you can do it.
	You can do whatever you want as long as you have a license and you go through the proper authorized authorities to tell you now you can do what you want.
	Do you believe that with licensing, medical licensing, private licensing, licensing for guns, licensing to drive an automobile, licensing to fly a plane, licensing for everything?
	You probably believe that you should have licensing to own a home.
	No, I don't, because owning a home isn't going to put me in jeopardy of killing other people.
	Doing open heart surgery when I have no knowledge on how to do it could make me kill someone.
	That's everything you do in life can have the potential of a negative ramification to harm somebody else.
	Everything.
	And when I'm talking about harming, I don't know.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let me finish my point.
	Everything you do in life has the potential to do this.
	If that is true, and you have to agree with me that that is true, what you're actually not saying to me is you should be able to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else.
	You're saying you should be able to do anything you want as long as we collectively feel that your potential to hurt other people is mitigated.
	And so that actually requires rigorous government interference and rigorous not letting you do what you want.
	It's not not letting you do what you want.
	It's preparing you to do what you want.
	If you want to fly a plane, I think no matter if you're a woman, if you're black, if you're whatever age, as long as you pass the physical test that says, yeah, you have the eyesight and hearing abilities or whatever, and you're not going to jeopardize other people's lives on the plane, if you're not.
	Quadruple amputee?
	What was that?
	Quadruple amputee.
	I mean, they probably can fly a pilot.
	I just want to check.
	It's like, but that's what I'm saying is like, it's just, this is like, it's so funny how you're trying to make this something.
	Like, no, like, if anyone in the world wants to be a pilot or a heart surgeon, I believe they should have every opportunity to become one.
	Does that mean as a society we have no standards?
	We do have standards.
	So we stop people from doing what they want.
	Stop interrupting me.
	Shut up, dude.
	Let's stop interrupting me.
	So let's say.
	Well, you can't go for hours.
	I'm not going for hours.
	It's been about a minute and a half.
	Anyway, so like if there is some poor person of color who dropped out of school, didn't have the resources, like grew up in it, who knows?
	They grew up in a group.
	I'm like, they don't have the same opportunities as someone who grew up in a wealthy family who's going to pay for their college education, let's say.
	Like, I think that person, if they have a dream of being a pilot, they should be able to work hard enough and be given the opportunity to learn to be a pilot.
	It doesn't mean that because they imagine they're a pilot, they get to be one.
	But if you're like, I want to be a pilot, I'm going to be like, I don't care where you come from, what you look like.
	Here's the resources to learn to study.
	And if you put your time into that and you learn and study, then congratulations, you deserve to be one.
	No, that's that.
	Okay, but that, so this, again, doesn't even be a problem.
	It's not stopping them from being a pilot or something.
	It's just teaching them to be one before they do it.
	My turn, right?
	So one more time.
	This is my actual argument.
	Try to address the argument I make, not the one that you wish I made, and then address that argument.
	The argument that I'm making is that is not do what you want as long as you're hurting nobody else.
	That is, you can do what you want as long as we license you to do it and we rigorously vet you to do it.
	And after we have rigorously licensed you and vetted you, then you can do it.
	And if you don't do it that way, you go to fucking jail.
	That is not do what you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else.
	That is sloganeering bullshit.
	No, because I decided to just take 20 people and get on a plane and STF humans try using logic.
	You can fly a plane without a license.
	Right.
	Right.
	So, okay, so let me take this.
	I don't know if you have kids or not, but let's say you have three toddlers at home right now.
	And let's say a random man off the street who's never flown a plane in his life said to you, Hey, I'm going to take your kids on my plane.
	I want to go for a joyride.
	Would you feel comfortable with that?
	Or would you rather go on a flight with someone who you know?
	Yeah, fuck no, I'm not doing that.
	Right, because you want that you have standards.
	It's not that no one can be a pilot, but if you're if you're my family, are you advocating you should be able to do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody, or are you advocating that?
	I am.
	And I'm okay, well then, why are you giving me a picture?
	I'm not afraid of being able to be a pilot.
	I think that's a good idea.
	Why are you giving me an internal critique about a position I don't even hold?
	Because you're stating that by my logic, any rank of you can do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else is not even a standard you yourself believe.
	I just demonstrated it.
	No, you believe in over-the-top rigorous licensing for fucking everything.
	What are you talking about?
	I don't.
	I don't believe in rigorous licensing for owning a home.
	Like, you just gave owning a home as an example.
	I don't think anyone else.
	What about open someone's chest and no, you do?
	Listen, I'm trying.
	By the way, you cut me off when I was making that argument.
	No, you do believe you need a license when you own a home.
	For instance, if you want to add on to your home, have a structure.
	Yeah, I know about permitting.
	Yeah, do you think we should have permitting for that?
	I mean, Santa Barbara's permitting laws, I actually highly disagree with it.
	It pens on that.
	That's a very county by city thing.
	Yeah, that's not my question.
	Do you think that the government should be empowered to come in and tell you how you're going to be able to zone your own house if they consider any type of public danger, even if it's just a perception?
	If they perceive that the structure you're building is going to cave in on itself and kill the people living in it, then sure.
	That's a way to learn to be able to do it.
	They're doing whatever they want.
	They're doing whatever they want.
	And they're not hurting anybody else.
	But they are by building something they don't know how to build.
	That's a good idea.
	So wait a second.
	Wait a second.
	So they're going to learn to build it or hire someone who knows how and then still.
	That's what I'm saying.
	If you want to add on to your house, you can add on to your house.
	So you live in a house.
	But you just need to do it in a safe way.
	So you live by yourself on a hill, right?
	And you build your own structure.
	The government comes in and says, nope, you got to have a permit for that.
	Because you might harm yourself.
	Great.
	But your argument is you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else.
	Who cares if they're going to harm yourself?
	No, I'm saying if they want to add on to the house, they can still add on to the house.
	They just literally need to do it in a safe way.
	So they just need to rigorously be vetted and licensed in order to do what they want.
	Yeah, certain things in the world are absolutely don't believe that people should be able to do whatever they want as long as you're not hurting anybody else.
	I feel like if you want to add on to your house, you can add on to your house.
	Every single example that you give requires licensing, rules, regulations, and people interfering with your life before you can do the thing that you want.
	Part of nothing.
	That doesn't hurt anybody else.
	We live in a society opportunity.
	That's why you can't just walk down the street.
	We live in a society.
	That's why I wouldn't make such a ridiculous argument as you can do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else because that's sloganeering.
	That's not true.
	I think she's saying it's more of the ideal though and nothing.
	No, it's not taking a too literal.
	You're interrupting.
	I'm sorry, I was responding to her.
	I just think that it's Matty.
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	Okay.
	Okay, keep going.
	No, I just think that we're the bigger issue is that should we have free will or not?
	I mean, that's, you know what I mean?
	It depends on what you believe in that way, because I don't personally want the government involved, but that's the system we have already.
	So how do we work with what we have?
	You know what I'm saying?
	I don't agree.
	Like, I think I don't necessarily agree with the exact way of I think you should be able to build something on your own property in the middle of nowhere and be able to make your own decisions.
	But it's confusing because not that I know the right answer, but because I don't know how to bridge this space because it's about two, what do you believe as moral and not?
	Like what's good and bad in your perspective.
	That's different for everybody.
	So how can you ever find a real solution, which you're saying, which I hear, correct me if I'm wrong, what I hear you saying is go with the majority, but then what happens to the people that are not the majority?
	I'm not, I didn't give a position.
	Okay, no, that's why I said correctly.
	All I was doing is pointing out that often I hear sloganeering from people like in this regard.
	People should be able to do whatever the hell they want as long as they're not hurting anybody else.
	But then when you test that, you find out they don't fucking believe that shit at all.
	They don't believe that they shouldn't be able to knock the gun out of their kids' hands so that they don't unalive themselves.
	They don't believe that they shouldn't be able to smack the pills out of their daughter's hand so they can't.
	They don't believe for a second that they shouldn't be allowed to do that.
	The thing is, is when you take it from the conceptual to the practical, you realize, no, we really got to kind of interfere a lot in people's lives.
	No, and I totally agree.
	And we have to do it all the time.
	And we have to do it for very good and specific reasons.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever read Atlas Shrugged?
	Yeah, with Anne Rand.
	Yeah.
	Your thoughts?
	My thoughts is that Anne Rand was a giant cope fiend, right?
	She was coping the entire time that she was banging a guy who was 20-something years younger than her because what she did was she took all the rich industrialists and she made them the heroes of the story, which is fucking insane.
	And then they came and saved society.
	So that was, it's like the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life.
	But that's what I think of it.
	Yeah.
	I'm trying to get to, and you may have done it.
	Remember how the rich industrialists came in and saved a society from, well, nothing ever.
	Instead, they have micro-engineered and fucked it up every possible way that they can by essentially creating lobbying groups that go and commission the government to go after whatever their private interests are by fucking over all the rest of us.
	That's what rich industrialists usually do.
	Okay.
	I mean, I personally think Ayn Rand is, you know, a hero in autonomy, individualism.
	Well, Atlas shrugged and your brain fell out, right?
	As the old libertarian saying goes.
	So for the majority who don't agree with Christians or, you know, your view on how this country should be, where are they left?
	I'm sorry, what's the question?
	So people who don't align themselves with Christian values or views with the freedom of religion in this country, where are they left being represented or not?
	It's going to be the same exact place where anybody would be left if they refused to follow the rigorous morals and the tailorings that society produces for them.
	The same place that you would be left in Japan if you weren't following their cultures, customs, and rituals, the same places that you would be left anywhere, right?
	This is not a melting pot of a country with different values.
	He doesn't.
	This does not in any way.
	He would do great with this.
	Even CP.
	Okay, so anyway.
	Would he not?
	This does not in any way deter from this idea.
	We are a melting pot.
	Sure.
	Does this mean that you would import tons and tons and tons of people who thought that murder was okay?
	No, because that's.
	Right.
	So if they don't coincide with your values, it's okay for you to exclude them.
	And so this is the thing.
	It's like, we think the same exact thing.
	We think it's perfectly acceptable that if the majority has these beliefs inside of a democracy, which is what liberals claim they love, that if we take that democracy over and impose our world like liberals are doing to us, there's no problem with that.
	But no, because there's no law saying murder is okay.
	What would that have to do with anything?
	Because you said if, oh, we can import a bunch of murderers into this country, they have the choice to murder and there's going to be consequences that you face.
	No, no, no, you're right.
	But you're missing the idea here.
	Let's assume that you could import the value of murderers to the point where they became a serious voting block.
	They could then, theoretically, impose their will via democracy by voting in people who then made murder legal, right?
	Like Christians?
	So are you going to answer my question?
	I'm just saying what you're saying.
	The abortionists think the Christians are the murderers?
	Okay.
	No, no one ever said that.
	Well, that's what you just said.
	No, I didn't.
	You said like Christians when I was referencing murders.
	You said forcing people to have these views.
	I said like Christians as in comparison.
	Yeah, I don't know why.
	We're going to import murderers here because they have bigger influence.
	I'm just trying to finish and get this thought out.
	So we're going to import murderers here so they can have a vast influence on the voting majority like Christians, right?
	Because Christians, you say, are the majority and their laws should rule.
	Or liberals or women who are the majority or whoever.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's not a perfect country for everybody, but it shouldn't be based off of a single religion.
	Why?
	Why not?
	Because you just don't like it, right?
	No, it goes against everything this country was built off of.
	Oh, wait, I'm sorry.
	Who built the country?
	A bunch of white Christians?
	With the freedom to practice religion.
	First of all, the reason that there was an allowance of the practice of religion, you couldn't be a Catholic.
	You couldn't even come to this country if you were a Catholic.
	You couldn't even come.
	The reason is because Protestantism is divided.
	They did not ever think that this was going to be a non-Christian nation.
	But none of our founders ever.
	They demand a lot of respect from people they don't respect themselves.
	I don't even know what that means.
	What does that mean?
	If you don't believe in God, you're going to hell.
	So?
	That goes against spiritual people.
	Why is your religion the most important out of the hundreds out there?
	Why should you be heard in novels?
	Why isn't it the most important thing?
	I'm going to explain so that you understand.
	That's what I'm wondering.
	Oh, I understand.
	I'm just saying.
	Well, I don't think you do.
	I don't understand why you think it's a very important thing.
	Because I'm granting your worldview.
	I'm saying, let's assume Christianity is the worst.
	It's like the worst.
	I know.
	Let us assume.
	Assuming.
	We're going to assume it.
	You know, it's not true.
	We're just going to pretend for a second so that we can do this hypothetical that it is.
	So we pretend Christianity is the very worst religion ever.
	And you import into your atheist country a bunch of Christians who tell you we want to definitely impose our Christian will on your atheist values.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	If you import them into your democracy in significant numbers and then they begin to multiply, right?
	They could feasibly inside of your democracy begin to elect politicians who share their values, right?
	That's true.
	And if they share their values, they're going to implement the law based on the values they share with that now largest voting bloc, right?
	Okay.
	So if they do that, what actually would be the fundamental problem with that?
	Christians don't run America.
	Are you the majority?
	Sure.
	But I doubt all the Christians out there agree with the extreme right-wing views that you are portraying that they have.
	Because I, it's not all Christians, right?
	Just like it's not all men.
	It's not all Christians.
	There are Christians out there who love thy neighbor, right?
	They love thy neighbor and they love you regardless of what you choose to do and they're not going to force you.
	Are they going to sit there and because they love you, their way of loving you is teaching you about their God, right?
	But they're not going to force it on you.
	Okay, I'm going to piggyback.
	So this whole thing started with why do men, from a viewer question, why do men die by, you know what, no, we're not allowed to say it at a higher rate.
	And I've noticed in my adult life how people, men, namely, and I have many close to me, who grew up in a very highly religious, some cult-like, some, you know, deep, deep Christianity, have some serious issues now, right?
	Because of the confines that they were forced to be in.
	And as grown adult men, they can't cope.
	They're still figuring it out and learning their way.
	So I'm trying to understand how you rationalize why you can't even, I mean, I get it.
	You have really rigid views, but why you can't see that.
	Secondly, hold on, secondly.
	Let's do one at a time.
	And also, let's actually do just one.
	Okay.
	Let's have Andrew answer in about a minute.
	So I want to move this on.
	We've been talking about the rigidity in views.
	How have I been rigid?
	I've answered every question asked of me, dove into each worldview that you've given me, and shown where the flaws in them are.
	That is a lack of rigidity.
	That is me being completely fluid in ideology.
	Okay.
	So that I can internally critique from where you're coming from.
	What's really hilarious here, none of you have seemed, maybe her, right?
	She's a smart one because she's quiet, but I'm kidding.
	I'm joking.
	But anyway, none of you seem to be able to do the opposite for me.
	None of you seem to be able to put yourself here.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	I was a rigid.
	Hang on, hold on.
	Hang on.
	I'm almost done.
	And actually, none of you even get to respond because he has final word.
	I have to move it on.
	It's been too long.
	So anyway, none of you even seem to be able to put yourself in my shoes to hear what I'm saying, to even hear what I'm saying because she responded to an argument it didn't even make twice.
	And then when I come over to you, when you're asking me this question, you say, I don't understand.
	It's these Christian men who grow up in these rigid households.
	Okay, I'm sorry, but Christian men, they're the stability of society.
	Least crime rate.
	They're fake.
	Hang on.
	No, I'm going to move it on.
	I'm going to demonstrate real quick, okay?
	As far as crimes go, as far as commission of crimes, as far as being in poverty, as far as all of these things, those Christian men from two parent Christian households have the best outcomes in all of those regards.
	The ones that come from the single mom, alternative households, man, not so great.
	What about the preachers?
	Not doing so hot.
	What about the prehistoric people?
	Women, you saw promotional.
	Now, by alternative, I didn't even mean LGBTQ.
	I'm just saying anything alternative to the people who are not.
	He's super patriarchy.
	Your wife wouldn't even be able to write her book or live her expression.
	In other countries in Iran, these girls aren't even educated.
	Women have been writing books for hundreds of years under the patriarchy.
	Feminism had some of the most prolific writers pre-suffrage.
	Those were the best writers.
	The shit writers came after suffrage.
	So they were cruising around with this evil patriarchy who was oppressing them, writing all kinds of books, traveling the world.
	They really had it rough.
	They had it rough.
	I do have to move things on.
	I have to move things on.
	So I need to do a couple things here.
	Robert Tanner.
	One sec, guys.
	There was a great question, capitalism or communism.
	Can you stop?
	Can you stop?
	Okay.
	No, he doesn't like capitalism.
	He doesn't like Ayn Rand capitalism.
	So Robert Tanner, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
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	I need to get through my own notes here.
	So, Robert Tanner, by the way, thank you for this one.
	This came in already.
	We already read it.
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	We do prioritize Streamlabs messages.
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	Thank you, Tanner.
	Let me just close those out.
	Hold on, let me get through the chats first.
	We have Valdiv.
	It comes down to morals and ethics.
	You do know most atheists hold Christian morals and ethics.
	Look at what has happened to Europe this past eight years or so.
	Jordan Peterson articulates it better.
	Okay, thank you, Valdiev.
	Good to see you back in the chat.
	Thank you for the Streamlabs message.
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	Okay.
	You guys should debate each other on it.
	We have debated each other on it.
	Yeah, we've debated each other.
	Do you disagree or agree more?
	We disagree on a lot of fundamental.
	Disagree a lot.
	Disagree a lot.
	Okay.
	Like Andrew, he likes pineapple on pizza.
	No, that's pineapple.
	I think I kind of agree with him on like on that one pretty much.
	It took us a minute, but we got there.
	There's a lot to get through, a lot to get through.
	I have like a lot of notes.
	I want to try to get through everything, make sure we cover everything.
	So we do have to ask for, we got this question from Stiffler.
	Okay.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Bringing it back to dating a little bit.
	Can't pick seven.
	Let's go.
	Can't pick seven.
	I do need to get grid ones after this.
	Grid one sent in a question.
	So going around the table, starting with you, rate your looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Can't pick seven.
	Nine out of ten.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Oh, into the mics, guys.
	You got to get into that.
	I would say six.
	Okay.
	I would say seven, but I can't.
	Oh, if I can't.
	Six.
	Yeah.
	I would honestly give myself a ten now because this is the first time in my life I've authentically been happy and joyous.
	And my smile is real.
	So I think I'm beautiful because I'm happy, not because I think I'm hot shit.
	But yeah.
	So just to clarify, though, it's not rate your happiness on a scale of one to ten.
	I think my happiness makes me beautiful.
	Yeah, I think you can see the joy on my face and how content and peaceful I am with my life choices.
	And that's what makes me happy.
	While I would agree with you that somebody who has a positive disposition, it might actually improve their, you know, if someone's got a scowl all the time, they might not appear as physically attractive.
	When I was living a life I wasn't comfortable with out of both survival slash trying to impress men, I think I was uglier because I was trying to be someone I'm not.
	I'm authentically exactly how I feel, and that's what makes me beautiful.
	And that's Beliza's a 10 out of 10 for the record for me.
	Sure.
	Okay, what about you?
	So I'm going to agree and kind of dovetail off of that.
	You guys know that Trump meme where he's like an A. Can I go higher than that?
	It's so funny.
	Not to sound cocky, but my philosophy and my show motto is kind of what you're talking about is boobs out, brains out, and women being both things.
	So I do agree with her in that they come together, and women stepping into their power and both is just the best thing.
	So with that being said, it's a little cheesy, I guess, but yeah.
	You just 12 out of 10, Stiffler, Stiffler's mom.
	I am the MILF of the group as we established earlier.
	So there we go.
	Stiffler's mom.
	It all came together.
	So 10.
	Sure.
	12.
	Okay.
	Except 12.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm going to say solid six.
	All right.
	Solid six.
	What about you?
	A five.
	Andrew?
	Yeah, four.
	I give myself a five.
	That's it.
	So we have a nine, ten, ten.
	One quick follow-up.
	Do you guys think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time than you do now, starting with – we'll ask everybody this.
	Actually, go ahead.
	I feel like I was beautiful in a different way at 20.
	You're too far.
	You're too far from the mic.
	I was beautiful in a different way at 20.
	I look even better than I did at 20.
	And I'm going to be beautiful in a different way at 40.
	Okay, so you are.
	I have good jeans.
	So you're 30.
	Yep.
	So you will be better looking at 40 than you are now at 30, correct?
	I don't think better is the right word.
	I'll be different and beautiful in a different way.
	But that's not what I'm asking.
	I'll even grant that you may very well be still attractive at 30.
	But I'm asking if you will be more attractive at 40 than you are now at 30.
	Honestly, with my track record, I get hotter every year.
	So it's possible.
	And then to be just going back, one point of clarification: you consider yourself more attractive now at 30 than you were at 20.
	Yes.
	I learned what works for me and what looks best for you.
	You do actually have a TikTok on this.
	Nick, can you pull that up?
	It's like a photo one.
	I don't know exactly which one, but it's like a photo.
	I got it.
	You got it?
	Okay, pull it up.
	Yeah, go ahead and pull it out.
	I look real good.
	All right.
	I don't know.
	Oh, my name?
	Just refresh.
	I can pull it up on my phone.
	Can you refresh?
	Just mute the audio.
	Yeah, I will.
	Will you be better looking at 50 as compared to 30?
	Maybe.
	It still don't want to be full screen.
	Just pull it up.
	Just pull it up.
	Hold on.
	Go back.
	Hold on.
	Why is it not?
	I know.
	It's not working for some reason.
	Okay, I'll come behind the scenes to try to figure that out.
	But just pull it up.
	Okay.
	And then there's the next one, realizing I don't look 21 anymore.
	So that's you at 21.
	Next.
	Slay.
	Beautiful.
	Woo-hoo!
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So better looking at 50?
	Maybe.
	Than you are now at 30?
	If I keep my skincare regimen, yes.
	What about 60?
	Better looking at 30?
	I'll be a hot, tattooed Gilf.
	Sure, you might still be hot.
	Better looking as to my current day in age?
	Comparatively.
	Maybe not.
	60 is kind of where it would, you think it would, that's when it goes downhill.
	Botox is a life son.
	Like, it's a lifesaver.
	What about you?
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years?
	I do because I got sober.
	I'm working on my health.
	I truly think being healthy on the inside and that I'm doing that now.
	I wish I'd started earlier in my earlier 20s and maybe not have ever gone down that path.
	But now that I am, I do think I will look better because I look rougher in my 20s.
	Wait, just one point of clarification.
	You've recently started to get healthy.
	Yeah.
	Recently.
	Yeah, within the last year.
	And then when you were much younger, you were very unhealthy.
	Yeah.
	Do I have that right?
	Yes.
	But wouldn't, I mean, if it's just recently that you've started to try to become more healthy, wouldn't that just have been a gradual accumulation over time?
	I think I guess it could be, but I think, hmm.
	I mean, I'm more talking about, well, like, I don't want to get into all the details, but how I treat myself.
	And I think that by- Are you talking like drug use?
	Drug use, eating disorders, all that kind of stuff.
	So I just think for me personally, if older people that have in their 40s have told me they know now who paid attention and took care of themselves in their 20s and who didn't.
	So that's kind of what I am thinking about: I think at some point I will be more attractive.
	Like, I think 33 is going to be my prime.
	That's what I'm, whatever.
	But I don't think, I do think everyone ages and it goes down the hill in some way.
	So, will you be more attractive in 10 years' time?
	So, 38 at 10.
	10 years now?
	38?
	Yeah.
	I think that'll be at the beginning of the decline, but I think I'll still look pretty good.
	And I don't know.
	What about 48?
	48?
	I think that I'll look good, but not, I mean, it's just different.
	Sunscreen.
	Yeah.
	And are you better looking now at 28 than you were at 18?
	Oh, for sure.
	For sure.
	For sure.
	What about you?
	I think I will, yeah.
	But I'm also pretty young in comparison to a lot of other people at the table.
	So you're 22, so do you think you'll be better looking at 32 than you are now?
	I'm 23, but yeah, I know.
	My birthday was really recent, so I messed up myself.
	That's my bad.
	Will you be better looking at 33?
	I do, but that's just, I have a lot of friends that are in their 30s.
	And I mean, I've seen pictures of them at 21 and 31, and I'm like, damn, like, y'all really matured, and it looks really good.
	But I do think there's a point where it will decline, of course.
	43?
	Yeah, I think, of course, after 30, I think it will start to decline.
	But so, will you be more attractive at 43 than you are now at 23?
	I don't think so.
	What about you?
	You can scoot into the table a bit.
	That's probably causing some issues.
	I know.
	My back was hurting, so I was sitting up against the chair.
	Yeah, I honestly, I mean, I think that as long as I continue on the path that I'm on right now, I think every year of my life, I can't wait to age.
	I can't wait to turn gray.
	I can't wait to watch.
	I can't wait to grow old with Liza.
	I can't wait, like, every year.
	And I gotta say, like, everyone who knows me in my personal life, the last six months to a year, I consistently get told they've never seen me happier.
	They've never seen my skin lighter.
	They've never seen me smile.
	And I think it's just going to continue because I love what I'm doing and I'm not going to stop.
	Well, not totally in the answer to the question, but so you're 27.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 37 than you are now?
	Because I'm going to be a mom by then and even happier.
	I'm going to just keep doing it.
	If you were a pagan donated $200, woman in the red, no, of course you weren't better looking.
	You will droop.
	In fact, that bird tat will turn into a pterodactyl.
	And the beautiful thing about that, though, is I no longer live a life that's centered around men's opinions of me.
	All that matters to me is how me and my wife feel about me.
	And I know that we both think each other are beautiful.
	So all those comments are kind of a joke to me because I'm going to go home and have a fucking awesome night.
	And that guy's probably going to jack off a little bit.
	Can we see your face?
	I love my life.
	And I think I feel beautiful.
	And I think I'm going to feel more beautiful every year.
	So, like, do you guys want to get late or not?
	Yeah, I'm happy in my life.
	I could care less if he thinks I look like a pterodactyl or whatever.
	I mean, I don't want to share the answer.
	Should I respond to her?
	Yeah.
	No, no.
	Okay.
	It's below the threshold.
	So the question is: Will you be better looking at 37 than you are at 27?
	Yeah, I'm going to be more joyful.
	Yeah.
	Every decade that I keep doing what I want to do with my life, and every decade I keep loving my wife and my future children and keep loving myself and taking care of myself, sure, my skin will get wrinkly.
	My hair will get gray, but I find so much beauty in that when you can see that you've loved yourself through that.
	So I'm so excited to turn 30 now.
	Like when I was in my earlier 20s, especially as a sex worker, I was kind of scared of, oh, I'm not going to be attractive anymore.
	I could care less.
	I feel beautiful.
	So wait, one really changed.
	It's a perspective.
	Really quick question to interrupt all this.
	You can just do a show of hands.
	Have you guys ever seen a beautiful girl with a mid-guy?
	Yes, sure.
	Well, we'll just do quick yes or no.
	Yes.
	Repeat it.
	We missed it.
	Yes, in my opinion.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So going to you, you're 33.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 43?
	I do.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	I do.
	I look much different.
	I had my baby fat.
	I actually went on, I call it Operation Sex Goddess Body.
	My viewers know, but I went on a really good one.
	That's right.
	The irony is there's no operations involved, but I went on a really intense mission fitness journey to sculpt the body I wanted, almost like an athlete.
	It was another all about the journeys, Arley.
	And you're along with me for the journey of this guy.
	And yeah, so I allowed me to step into a whole new power.
	I didn't even know.
	And so to implement later on, I have the everything going now for 40s, 50s.
	So better looking 43, better looking 53?
	63?
	Sure.
	As compared to now, at 33.
	63.
	But 53, yes.
	Okay.
	60 my baby.
	Were you better looking at 23 than you are now at 33?
	No, because of everything I just said.
	No.
	I had a major blow-up.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Do you think you're 18?
	No, excuse me, you're 21.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 31 than you are now?
	I think so, yeah.
	41?
	Yeah.
	51?
	Yeah.
	Better looking at 51 than 21?
	Probably not, no.
	Well, you just said yeah.
	Wait, sorry, I was confused.
	Okay.
	Theory says.
	So, okay, you're 21?
	Yeah.
	Better looking at 31?
	Yes.
	Better looking at 41?
	Maybe, yeah.
	Better looking at 51.
	Probably not.
	That's like after menopause.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm hotter at 30 than at 20 because I was fat and really fat, but I'm not going to be hotter at 40.
	Okay.
	All right.
	These are certainly interesting answers.
	I guess one question, though.
	Do you guys think that there's no objectivity when it comes to beauty?
	Absolutely.
	Of course.
	Absolutely, which way.
	It's a standard that most people.
	You can look at someone and have a general idea that yes, they're an attractive person, even if I'm not attracted to them.
	I can see that.
	Like, I can see attractiveness in men, even though I don't want to sleep with them.
	Like, it's the same kind of thing.
	But I do think that people have preferences and that will sway how I feel.
	Like, I don't, nobody else has to consider me a 9 out of 10 or 10 out of 10 for it to make me happy.
	I consider myself that.
	But it's beauty is an objective.
	Everyone finds something else beautiful.
	So no one else has to find me that beautiful.
	I know I'm beautiful.
	I don't really need anyone else to tell me or confirm my thinking.
	Everyone has their flavor.
	Although there are universal beauty.
	Yes, and you put them side by side.
	You know, women, neglects, guys, men, chiseled, jaw.
	Yeah, let me follow up on this one.
	So, have you guys ever heard of the idea of the wisdom of the crowd?
	So it works something like this.
	Say you're at a fair, right, and you had one person guess the weight of a cow, right?
	They're probably going to be radically off by sometimes much as 100, 200 pounds.
	But if you take 1,500 people or 100 people, and then you average the answer, it gets a lot closer to whatever that weight is.
	Okay.
	It's an interesting phenomenon, whether it's true or not, right?
	It's an interesting phenomenon.
	If you were to take 1,000 random men and they were all just rating you purely on looks, not on your glow, not on how happy you are, nothing, just purely on looks.
	What do you think that collective average answer would end up being from those thousand men?
	Now, is it men who are basing off our looks just visually?
	No, nothing about us.
	Nothing else.
	There could be an average answer.
	It depends if they like blondes, brunettes, whatever their preferences was, if they like...
	They just have the same general preferences you think they have.
	Well, that's very broad.
	But yeah, it is.
	It's very broad.
	Whatever you think the general preferences are.
	So you're just taking a sample of 1,000, right?
	And then you're just going to average all of their answers and hit on a number.
	What do you think that number would end up being for you?
	I have two different answers.
	I'll just give my first one.
	But I feel like the average answer for me could be a seven.
	Do you think it would average out to a six or seven?
	Anywhere from six to eight depends on what about me they initially found attractive or unattractive.
	Okay.
	Or also, you know, again, it's a broad subjective statement because it goes both ways for women.
	It's, you know, some men don't like to let women feel beautiful.
	So they'll give a lower answer.
	Not all.
	It's just some men.
	Well, I'm just going to assume for the sake of this that they're all honest.
	All honest?
	Yeah, being totally honest.
	Could be anywhere from a six to eight.
	In reality, it could be anywhere from one to ten because someone who finds me beautiful, another person could be like, I don't like that bitch.
	So then, what about you?
	I mean, I would say the same thing.
	I think I would probably choose like a six or a five for myself, but I also, in my daily dress, do not amplify or try to cater to the male gaze, like honestly.
	So I think it would be less purely because of that.
	But in a situation where I'm actually catering to, I was a bartender, so that was a big part of my job.
	So in those situations, it might go up because I'm doing what I think they want.
	But I don't really know what they want.
	I don't really care.
	A six, probably again, yeah.
	Like I rated myself a six.
	I think it's somewhere fall around six or seven.
	You think they would average you out to a six?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think men would probably find me average.
	I mean, it's it's hard to say because as someone who did OnlyFans, it was actually pretty successful.
	I was successful in the niche of guys who loved petite women.
	Like, I don't have big boobs.
	I don't got a big ass.
	So there is totally men who body shamed me and acted like I was trash just because I look like this, but there's also men that said I was their dream woman because of my body.
	I'm just asking.
	It's hard because the internet confused me what men think because that was a crazy experience to go through.
	But I think probably average.
	I don't, I mean, I know people like big asses and I don't have that.
	So you don't think they'd rate you a 10, in other words?
	Maybe.
	I mean, I don't.
	Some men have told me I'm a 10 on OnlyFans, so I don't know if you're afraid of me.
	I would agree that I would agree that they're a lot more than a hundred.
	I think if I'm trying to dress for the male gaze, I can be closer to a 10.
	I think if I'm being myself, they probably don't notice me.
	Like Liza said.
	Yeah.
	I would say a nine.
	I mean, you know, in a little bit of a different way, I actually, well, part of my fitness journey, what I've done to craft this body, right?
	Oh, I know I do love a journey.
	Anyway, to craft the bomb body, right, of my dreams has allowed me to be so tap into a power I didn't even know my energy, everything, right?
	With that being said, this is a little controversial.
	I have no problem tapping into the male gaze.
	The difference is I do it willingly.
	Okay, so hang on.
	So nine.
	Hey, hang on.
	I need to get everybody's answers.
	So nine, right?
	So nine.
	So anyway, so over here, what would you rate yourself?
	No, he doesn't cut people.
	I rate him as our weirds.
	No, no, no.
	What do you think if 1,000 men were rating you, what the collective answer would come to?
	I'd say probably a little more because I'm like taller than the average woman.
	Some people like taller women.
	So you think the average answer would go up?
	What do you think it would land on?
	Seven or eight.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Five.
	Five.
	Okay.
	So then this is the final question I'll ask on this.
	Think of the most beautiful woman you've ever seen in your life from your perspective.
	Is she you?
	No.
	Okay.
	So take whoever that woman is who's not you.
	To me.
	Those 1,000 men are rating her between 1 to 10 and you next to her.
	What do you come out to then?
	I kind of look like the woman I think is most beautiful, so I feel like our answers.
	Hers might be beautiful.
	Who is it?
	Megan Fox.
	She's a yeah.
	So you think you would come out.
	She's got the killer blue eyes though, Alice.
	Do you think you'd come out similarly to Megan Fox?
	In my opinion.
	No, no, no.
	In the opinion of what you think, 1,000 men, if they're rating Megan Fox next to you, what do you think you'd come out to next to her then?
	Similar.
	Same, okay.
	Yeah, we have different stuff that makes us equally beautiful.
	Okay.
	So both nines, both tens?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I think she's the most beautiful woman and we look different.
	Okay, second.
	MDG donated $200.
	For all of you that said you will look better 10 to 20 years in the future, will you also be more delusional then?
	Youth is wasted on the young.
	So whoever this second most delusion is.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I think I tend to be drawn by media and whatever is projected to me, I tend to compare myself to.
	And I don't like comparing myself to women.
	I really don't.
	I feel like we all are different, and I don't do that to men either.
	So I wouldn't like to answer that because I just wouldn't rate myself compared.
	But if I was forced to, I'd probably rate myself lower because I always do that in my brain.
	If you're compared up to your idea of what you think the most beautiful woman is.
	I would write myself lower for sure.
	I mean, that kind of makes sense, right?
	Yeah.
	I'd probably come out lowering.
	Who's the most beautiful woman you can think of?
	I can't name someone off the top of my head.
	I'm just picturing pretty people, honestly.
	Like, I can't give you a specific per se.
	Okay.
	But do you think I would come out lowering?
	Yeah, it's hard for.
	I mean, I think Liza is the most beautiful.
	Sure, second most beautiful woman.
	No, second to her.
	Like, I just.
	I genuinely believe most women are beautiful in their own, like, any body type, any cut.
	Like, and I'm not saying this to be some liberal on the show.
	Like, I genuinely find every individual person to be beautiful in their own way.
	And I don't mean, yeah.
	I find all human beings to be beautiful in their own way.
	And like, when I see who they really are, not who they're trying to be to the camera or trying to be in public, if I see who they actually are at their core, I can always find something about them that's attractive.
	I can find something attractive about anyone.
	Oh, what?
	Is Hillary Clinton a 10?
	I don't know.
	I mean, like, probably beautiful.
	Based on physical beauty.
	I think she's very much a girl.
	I guess it's like, are you asking me, do I want to cut her or do I find her attractive?
	I'm just asking physical beauty.
	I say no.
	I don't think she's ugly.
	I mean, I really don't.
	Is she a 10?
	It depends on whose standards.
	Standards.
	If she's happy and being authentically herself, I don't know if she's happy.
	I don't follow her anymore.
	But if she's happy doing what she's doing, then I think she's beautiful.
	If she hates what she's doing and living a lie, then I think it shows on your face that you're living a lie.
	Like, miserable people aren't pretty.
	So is that a 10?
	I don't, I honestly haven't followed Hillary Clinton in a few years.
	Like, I don't, I don't really know what she's doing with her life, and I didn't really support her the first time around.
	So I don't during the 2016 election, was her.
	Sure, physically, if you're comparing to what America's next top model considers beautiful, no, Hillary Clinton's not beautiful compared to her.
	Okay, where would you put her?
	I don't, I don't rate women the way men do.
	So it's you just rated her.
	I gave you what society wants me to say.
	It's not what I actually feel like.
	Yeah, okay.
	So then, based on societal standards.
	Based on societal standards, they would say she's ugly.
	But I don't feel that way personally.
	But I can see what society thinks and understand what society thinks and also not agree with it.
	Like, I know that's how it is, but I don't live my life that way.
	When I go home, I'm not going to be in the world you guys all live in.
	I'm going to be really happy with my life, not giving a fuck what anyone thinks about me.
	So it's hard for me to understand that.
	So again, I got you.
	Tell me.
	Who's the most beautiful woman you could think of?
	What's your name?
	A little lady called Pam Anderson.
	She's info.
	She's in Spo.
	The difference is, and that's why I say Pam Anderson, which decade?
	We're talking about it.
	Yeah, we're talking peace.
	That ain't fucking now.
	So we're talking peak.
	No, no, no.
	We're talking peak.
	Like the 90s or something.
	Yeah, but that's why I called my, I'm not going to say journey.
	I know it's a trigger word for you.
	It's a trigger word for you.
	I see.
	And I don't know why you hate journeys so much.
	What are you going to do?
	What do you have against?
	I mean, the band's okay, but I don't know why every woman's on the same fucking journey.
	No.
	But no, that's why I call it Operation Sex Goddess body, because that's what I think.
	That just super fucking hot, ideal.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	So where do you end up?
	On the scale?
	Her eye judging.
	Natural.
	Okay, all right.
	It's going to be hyper-specific.
	Here's Pam Anderson.
	1,000 men are rating her.
	We're looking for their average answer.
	You're right next to her.
	They're rating you next.
	Are we going to have you guys do this?
	You and Ryan Ryan?
	Yeah, I'll do it back to back.
	Let's go.
	Okay.
	So go ahead.
	Well, she has the fake tits.
	Mine are real, so that's a preferential thing.
	Then spermy eyebrows from the 90s.
	You know, I don't know.
	I'm confident in saying we'd go pretty much toe-to-toe.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I say by comparison, probably compare myself as lower.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	If I thought of someone, Elizabeth Taylor, I'd be like a two.
	A two.
	A two.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Your ideal.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	I'm going to give you the same exact answer that you guys all gave me.
	The hottest man in the world, the hottest guy I can think of.
	I'm even better looking than him.
	There's no guy I can think of on planet Earth who's even close.
	I'm the best looking dude who's ever lived by my own estimation.
	And you know, I can't.
	It's how I feel.
	It's how I feel.
	Just humor me.
	Pick up the play game.
	And I'll tell you what, as soon as you stop lying to me, I'll stop lying to you.
	You ready?
	I actually.
	Where do you actually fucking rate next to Pamela Anderson in her peak?
	I think I go toe-to-toe with Pamela.
	Okay, great.
	Then I'll go toe-to-to-to-toe.
	I'll get on this table.
	Then I'll go toe-to-toe with Jason Momoa.
	Brad Pitt.
	Brad, yes, I can get behind Brad.
	Yep.
	Brad Pitt in Legends of the Fall.
	That's this guy right here.
	I'm so happy for you.
	Yay, that's me.
	I'm glad.
	Do you disagree with that assessment?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	You agree?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Huh?
	All right.
	Well, let's stay here and lie to each other the rest of the night.
	That's a good idea.
	I like it.
	I like it.
	Okay, that was an interesting one.
	Just two last questions on this.
	Do people get wrinkles as they get older?
	Yeah, probably.
	Get wrinkles, marks on your face, discoloration, etc.
	I think that's also.
	I think that's also genetic.
	Well, I mean, anyone on a long time.
	I mean, anyone aging does get wrinkles, but some people are genetically genetically predisposed to have more than others.
	Stress, smoking, drugs, environmental factors.
	Pukebox donated $200 just to small town women living in a lonely world.
	They slashed them, took the midnight train.
	Just a city-size.
	Born and raised in South LA.
	C slash took the midnight train going anywhere.
	That was bad.
	I'm giving it to creativity.
	Give him a jukebox creativity.
	And then we have one.
	Who's the band?
	Let this one come in.
	Hold on.
	Oh, it's it's okay.
	I know that.
	That was a meta moment.
	Hold on.
	K-Cop.
	That was good.
	Donated skirting questions for you like crazy.
	True.
	K-Cop, thank you for the Streamlabs message.
	Appreciate it.
	You got to let me, if I'm doing something, you got to let me talk.
	Okay, so I was asking, do people get wrinkles?
	What?
	You don't need to whisper under your breath while I'm talking about it.
	Instead, you were being all agile.
	Like, let me talk.
	I was saying, Andrew has a funny journey moment.
	Huh?
	He and I were having just a funny journey.
	Right, but if I'm starting to talk, you got to just be quiet.
	Do you understand?
	Why don't you tell him, too?
	You're just telling me we were in it together, buddy.
	No, you were talking.
	So I talked myself?
	We were talking together.
	He was like, the journey.
	I threw that out for you.
	And I was like, right, right.
	Got it.
	But he was in it too.
	So call him out.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Talking at me doesn't mean I'm talking.
	That's true.
	You were talking.
	I was a bitch full of it.
	He was like, the journey.
	And then when he started talking, he was quoting me with my journeys.
	Andrew said, what's the ban?
	I said, journey.
	Because like I did that.
	So here, since we're having the meta conversation, since we're having the meta-conversation, such a meta conversation.
	I'm going to be honest.
	How do you want to have the comments?
	Since you can't be.
	But here's what actually happened.
	What actually happened was I stopped talking.
	He started talking.
	Then you started talking.
	And you can't.
	And you went, yeah, yeah, I do that.
	I did that for you.
	And I was like, right, like me with that.
	And then I stopped and you continued.
	The point is you called me out and not him.
	And never continued to talk.
	Because he stopped.
	He stopped.
	Just continue.
	We're all waiting.
	Okay, so if I called him out, why are you trying to redirect this criticism towards you, towards Andrew?
	Because we were in a funny jess.
	What is this?
	I know who cares.
	We were in a funny jest, and the point was you called me out and not him.
	And I get it.
	It's like this shit, but God.
	I'm just allowing to talk.
	Yes, sir.
	Bro, I don't need the fucking attitude too.
	I got it from you as well.
	When did I give you the attitude?
	This whole show.
	When?
	You're just sassy and feisty.
	I don't know.
	I haven't been sassy towards you at all.
	What do you mean?
	You were like, stop talking.
	Can you stop talking?
	That's not sassy.
	That's my job as the host.
	I host you.
	I don't host that way, but that's okay.
	Everyone has their own.
	You don't usually have this many times.
	Have you ever done a panel discussion?
	I've seen your Instagram.
	I've seen your Instagram.
	It's just you.
	It's just you.
	You don't do a panel show.
	Okay.
	Name an A-list or I've interviewed them.
	How is that interview?
	I interviewed Tucker Carlson.
	How is that relevant?
	A week ago.
	How is that relevant?
	Because I can't hold my own.
	Like, I can, I host panels all the time.
	And when you host a panel, do you ever tell people?
	I don't tell people, could you shut the fuck up and stop talking?
	Okay.
	Did I say that?
	No.
	I was being a little jot.
	I don't tell people, could you stop talking?
	This is how, like, when you're scary, Jane Dangerous is, I didn't even say that.
	Tell me back to me what you're talking about.
	Okay, you're just short.
	You're just trite.
	That's okay.
	It's your style.
	No, but tell me back what I actually said.
	Did I actually say those words?
	You will say that.
	Did I say those exact words?
	I will say.
	This is an incredible.
	Stop talking.
	Stop talking.
	Yeah, that's next thing.
	First off, that's totally.
	Oh, you're playing bad comic.
	Okay, stop.
	That's totally within the purview of me trying to moderate this conversation.
	Okay, that's your style.
	As the host.
	Yeah, that's your opinion.
	No, it's not my opinion.
	It's a fact.
	Oh, it's a fact.
	Just be confident in what you do.
	He wants you to engage.
	Just be confident in what you know.
	No, he's anything.
	He's good at it, though.
	I know.
	No, I know.
	He's good at it.
	What are you talking about?
	Just letting him go.
	Just let him go.
	No, you are.
	You're good at it.
	You know what you know.
	I'm good at what?
	What am I good at?
	You can't.
	It should have been really simple.
	Oh, sorry.
	I can't handle it.
	Are you leaving or holding it?
	But since it's a good idea, no, literally.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	I'm going to wait until the next time.
	That's true.
	Interesting how women will come to other women's defense, even though the woman is clearly in the wrong.
	That's funny.
	What's up with her?
	I've been pretty polite to her the entire show, and she's been.
	Okay, well.
	It's your style.
	It's his first time.
	Wrinkles?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, what was the next question?
	Yeah, yeah, John.
	It's your teacher.
	It's interesting, like, how she'll have criticisms of.
	Whatever.
	Okay, so wrinkles.
	Do people get wrinkles as they age?
	Yes, men and women.
	Well, why is it then that either one, in an effort for women to beautify themselves, why don't they then put on makeup to give themselves wrinkles?
	If looking older made you more attractive?
	Can you rephrase that?
	I don't think I'd do that.
	No, but if, like, look, some of you said you'd be better looking at 50.
	At 50, will you have wrinkles?
	More wrinkles than you do now?
	So then why is it the case that women don't put on makeup in an effort to make themselves look older and aged?
	And then, in addition to that, why do they sell anti-wrinkle cream?
	Why don't they sell wrinkle cream?
	You can answer the question if you want.
	I'm just.
	To get wrinkles?
	If that was the standard, I think people would do that.
	Yeah.
	But because youth is more.
	And like, necessarily, no one looks forward to aging and getting older and wrinkles, men or women.
	I'm sure men go through midlife crises and so do women.
	Men go for rogue, women go for Botox.
	That's true.
	But wouldn't that sort of contradict this whole thing of I'm going to be better looking once I get older?
	In a different way, but that's like taking it too literally.
	It's like, will generally society say I'm more beautiful at 40 or 50 compared to now or 10 years ago?
	Maybe not.
	But me, personally, I think I will be beautiful to myself.
	I don't care what anyone else thinks.
	I personally work on my tretinoin, my skincare, everything to prevent wrinkles because, yeah, no one wants to wrinkle an age like that.
	If there's stuff to prevent it, sure, but it's not going to make me ugly.
	If the wrinkling, despite your best efforts to prevent it, will be something that accrues in 10 years' time, regardless of the efforts you do to prevent it.
	That would be a component of you being older.
	So how can you confidently state on one hand that you're trying to fight the wrinkles?
	Modest Hekema donated $200.
	Pay Malar Anderson not leaving the top.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	But neither is this panel our IP.
	These 304s be trying to rip on Brixon, and it cracks me up that they think they are succeeding.
	Yo, Monest Akama.
	Hold on.
	I got to play something for you, bro.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	No, you're talking like that.
	You better look like Brad Proxy.
	Yeah, no.
	But you see what Monica looks like?
	I don't know if he wants to send in the thing.
	I guess he could.
	Dude, I haven't seen you in a long time, bro.
	It's been months.
	Welcome back, dude.
	Thank you.
	Good to see you back in the chat, man.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Really appreciate your patronage.
	Modest Hickema, how do you pronounce that?
	Hickey.
	Hickema?
	Did I say it right?
	Did I finally...
	Chikama?
	Did I call you Chikama?
	No, you can take him out, yeah.
	Yo, good.
	You're a California boy.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Appreciate it.
	But wrinkles aren't ugly to me.
	I don't think that's ugly.
	Because I like my skin looking smooth and soft and shiny.
	But if they're not ugly and it's desirable.
	Okay.
	I don't have a problem with getting wrinkles.
	I'm going to ask you a different question then.
	So you said you'd be better looking in 10, 20, 30 years, right?
	In a different way, yes.
	Oh, well, it's a little different than originally, but...
	No, that's exactly what I said.
	I said, I'll be beautiful in a different way than I am.
	When I did ask the question quite clearly, you said, yes, I will be better looking in 10 years.
	Yeah, but I made sure to follow it up in a different way.
	Okay, well.
	I did say that.
	I guess this applies to all of you who think you will be better looking in 10, 20, 30 years.
	If I could wave a magic wand that would advance your outward physical appearance without any sort of, you don't age internally.
	You're not 10, 20, 30 years closer to the age you would otherwise pass away.
	You know, you wouldn't, if you get cancer, if you were otherwise going to get cancer in 20 years, you wouldn't otherwise get it immediately.
	You just, you still live, you'll still live the same length of life, just outward physical appearance, advanced 10 years, 20 years, 30 years.
	If you will be better looking in that period of time, would you accept me waving the magic wand and making you all outward physical appearance, aged 10, 20, 30 years?
	Yes.
	Personally, I'm probably the wrong person to ask for this because genetically, my grandma lived up till 80 and she did not have a wrinkle on her skin.
	And she read fortunes in Turkey until the day she died.
	She never, she was a smoker, a drinker, never had a lick of Botox, nothing.
	That lady probably woke up in the morning, splashed water on her face, took a shot, and was good to go.
	So to be clear, she looked the same at 80.
	She did at 20.
	I did not say she looked the same.
	I said she aged, but she did not have a wrinkle on her face.
	And neither does my mom at 45.
	Have you been to be 45?
	Have you had any cosmetic surgery at all?
	No.
	My boobs.
	And were those designed to look younger or older?
	I wanted them to look very natural to my body, and I breastfed, so there are people sitting up on my chest.
	As women get older, do their breasts go lower or do they stay perky?
	They go lower.
	You know, it depends on the person's body.
	If they're small enough and there isn't gravity enough, if they don't have the weight on their chest for gravity to pull it down throughout the years, they could possibly very well stay perky.
	Okay, so hang on.
	I agree.
	That is possible.
	But it is not the case for most women.
	No.
	So why is it?
	Modest Hikima donated $200.
	I like my skin looking smooth and shiny like a teenager's, but you are a horrible misogynist racist.
	If you like someone of the age, I am using plastic surgery to look like a body.
	Did I say that?
	Did I say you need to look like a child, or is that what you're assuming because of your breast?
	Well, I'm just curious.
	If most women, as they age, their breasts drew, then why is it that you wanted to have surgery where your breasts did not do that?
	I didn't do that.
	I didn't get a lift on it or anything.
	I got them bigger.
	Why not just?
	I didn't change where they sit.
	I didn't change.
	They change where they sit.
	You can see before and after they have to be a bit more.
	You increase the size of thing, it's going to change position.
	If anything, it's lower.
	Yeah.
	If you don't get things lower, appearance is not going to be lower.
	It is if you're not wearing a push-up bra.
	Yeah.
	I'm not.
	No, it's not.
	If you make your boobs larger and higher, why not make them look like old lady boobs?
	They will.
	They'll get there.
	There's gravity.
	Yeah, but why not enhance surgery works?
	Yeah, do you understand that you could have had surgery which would have made them look that way now?
	It's more attractive.
	Do you understand how breast implants work?
	What does that have to do with my argument?
	Because the way you're explaining, you're assuming that I went in and got them changed to be higher, perkier, whatever, and I didn't do any of that.
	You made them bigger.
	That's not the same as perky.
	Why did you make them bigger?
	Because I wanted them bigger.
	Right.
	Because you got that enhanced attractiveness, right?
	I do porn, so yeah.
	Yes, okay, got it.
	So if you think it enhances attractiveness and you think that it would enhance your attractiveness in 10 years, you would wave the magic wand, let's say, right?
	That would necessarily include that your breasts would now be drooped down lower, right?
	These will.
	In 10 years' time, they will be lower than when they're so.
	So that's going to be an entailment of the magic wand, right?
	Okay.
	So if that's true, then why wouldn't you have them do the surgery to make them droop in the first place?
	That makes zero, zero logical sense.
	Oh, you want me to?
	Because I didn't change where they sit.
	I'm sorry.
	They sit exactly where they are.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Hang on.
	It makes zero logical sense.
	I'm going to do the Destiny Triangle for a second.
	I can't believe it.
	Okay, so let's try this.
	Let's try this.
	Okay.
	Does anyone get a surgeon on the 10 years?
	You're saying to me, they're going to get lower, right?
	Yeah.
	Gravity.
	Yeah, gravity.
	They're going to get lower, right?
	So when you got the initial cosmetic surgery, since you're going to be hotter in 10 years, according to you, why didn't you just have them have them droop then?
	You could have had them surgically make them.
	Am I 40 or 50 right now?
	Or am I doing you said you're going to be hotter in 10 years?
	In a different way.
	Is everyone just completely missing that?
	What is the different way?
	What does that mean?
	I'm not sure.
	Saggier fucking tits, a few wrinkles here and there.
	Is this, I'm not sure if that's what she originally says.
	Is this either shifting the goalposts or modern Bailey?
	Totally.
	Is it shifting the goalpost?
	No.
	It's a Monday.
	It's not a Montana Bailey.
	But it's shifting the goalpost.
	Not a Monten Bailey.
	So if shifting the goalpost is a very good question.
	Are you educated?
	So Brian asked the question: if a magical wand is waved and it ages you forward to 10 years, an entailment of this by your admission is that your boobs are going to droop.
	Yeah.
	Great.
	Could you have gotten cosmetic surgery to have made your boobs droop the same way they will in 10 years?
	Why?
	Answer the question.
	Don't question the question with it.
	That's fucking sense.
	I'm sorry.
	Because you come at us for taking stuff too literal and all this.
	Okay.
	He just wants you to see.
	What is going to make you happy?
	Okay, so let's just, can you?
	I just want you to answer this.
	What's going to make you happy?
	I'll go back and get droopier tits.
	Are you ready?
	Are you ready?
	Can we try this again?
	You like droopy tips.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	Is it just going to be an action?
	I am too.
	I love it.
	I love it.
	Big, fat, saggy.
	Can you get cosmetic surgery to your breast that make them look droopy if you want to?
	If I wanted to, yes.
	So then if a magic wand is waved.
	But am I fucking 40 right now?
	No.
	But you just said if a magic wand was waved, that was.
	If a magic wand was waved and he was there for my fucking breast implant appointment.
	No, no, stop, stop.
	I will go with it.
	Let's go.
	I don't know why you can't listen to what's being asked.
	I don't think you calm down so I can ask the question because you don't even understand it.
	So let's try this again.
	If you can have cosmetic surgery, which would make these appear like they're 10 years older than you are right now, breasts.
	Okay.
	And in 10 years from now, you think you're going to be hotter than you are right this second.
	Yes.
	Then why wouldn't you have just gotten the elective surgery to make them look like the 10 years in the future?
	Oh, right now.
	I'll make the appointment.
	Oh my God.
	Here, I'll move it on.
	I'll move it on.
	I don't think we're going to make progress.
	Yeah, no.
	Okay.
	All right.
	This is wild.
	This is really basic logic.
	We weren't even getting into anything.
	It's just basic questions.
	I don't think you, it's not a basic question when you're saying, oh, if a magic wand is waved, so if a magic wand was fucking waved, how am I supposed to make that decision a fucking year ago?
	All right, last question.
	How much your input mattered at the time?
	Let's go.
	Before we move on, how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
	I'd be grumpy.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Guys, I got to move on.
	I got to move this on.
	Lucky for you, I did eat breakfast.
	So this is.
	I'm not grumpy.
	You snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
	That's fine.
	All right.
	K-Cop.
	Can we fire the one trolling in pink, us army only?
	I actually kind of agree with you on something.
	Okay.
	I want to talk over this guy.
	My bad.
	Now, was that my fault this time, too?
	That was me.
	Why are you sure?
	I take it.
	Let's hear an apology.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	I take accountability for that.
	I misspoke.
	I'm pretty sure that was going to be my fault again somehow.
	I was telling him, I actually thought I kind of agreed with him on something.
	So K-Cop said, Can we fire the only trolling in pink?
	Us, here, I'll pull it up.
	Us Army only get to catch your show occasionally and she's annoying.
	Sorry to be rude.
	Okay, thank you, K-Cop.
	Appreciate it.
	You have 10 seconds to respond to him.
	Go.
	Can we fire the trolling one in pink?
	Occasionally, she is annoying.
	Sorry to be rude.
	Well, K-Cop, that's your opinion.
	Pre-speed your rights.
	That's your opinion, K-Cop.
	Live your life, bro.
	Okay, thank you, K-Cop.
	Appreciate it.
	So, very much though.
	We need to get back.
	Grid one asked a question freaking three hours ago.
	So, grid one, we're finally getting to it.
	He asked, he asked, Grid one, are you still in the chat?
	Grid one.
	Grid one, do women have any rights that men do not grant them?
	Oh, okay.
	I thought he was asking, do women have any rights that do men have any rights that women don't?
	But his question is: do women have any rights that men do not grant them?
	So the patrons.
	Thank you, men, for granting me rights.
	I don't know what to say.
	Yeah, I agree.
	That's a question, right?
	I mean, do women have any rights that men do not grant to them?
	Yeah, meaning that women have given themselves these rights absent men.
	Yes.
	Yes, I think so in certain ways.
	Like, I have the right to completely decenter men for my life and make my life have absolutely nothing to do with them.
	No, no man gave me that right, but I'm choosing to do that with my own free will and my life's never been better.
	So, I don't, I don't, okay, so I'm just going to follow up real quick because you can't stay on the topic for long.
	But I just got to ask: if men collectively said that you couldn't do that, you couldn't do that, right?
	At this point.
	I mean, if they imprisoned me for it and collectively said you have to make men the center of your life or you're going to jail, I guess they could try to force me to do that.
	Yeah.
	Then I don't understand how you granted yourself that right.
	Because I was, I grew up in a society where, like, being attractive in men's eyes, whether you want to use me or not, at least the life I grew up in, being attractive in the eyes of a man was basically a life or death thing.
	If all men think I'm ugly, it makes me think I'm going to have less job opportunities.
	I'm going to have less, I'm going to be less respected.
	I'm going, yeah, keep laughing.
	I'm going to have all these things.
	But it's like, I granted myself the right to literally not give a flying fuck.
	And even though they're saying disrespectful stuff, like any comments about me so far have been really disrespectful.
	Like, quite honestly, I've given myself the permission to not care because I'm so happy with my life.
	I cannot wait to leave here and have an awesome evening with my life.
	Like, I can't wait.
	So, I just gave myself the permission to stop caring.
	I gave you kudos for being, like, ride or die, libertarian.
	Like, I did say that.
	Libertarian.
	She is not a libertarian.
	I'm not a libertarian.
	I register as declined to state.
	I'm going to be voting for Kamala, but I have Kamala.
	I make my choices based on the individual, not based on an entire group's ideologies.
	I have my own.
	Okay, so I did want to get into, you mentioned that you used to, you mentioned, like in your most recent comment, your past life or something.
	So you were involved in sex work and escorting, is that correct?
	I don't like calling it that.
	I just like saying sex work generally, just because I don't know where these clips are going to go in my future.
	Are you like ashamed of it or is it like?
	I'm not ashamed of it.
	It's not that I'm ashamed of it, but I do live in a society where if a viral clip of me saying that verbatim goes around, it could affect the way people respect me in the future, unfortunately.
	So you were a sex worker, though.
	I was a sex worker.
	And you did do OnlyFans.
	OnlyFans is one thing I will talk about doing, yes.
	Sure.
	How long were you doing sex work?
	I mean, the first time I did it, I was 18.
	And then I went almost 10 years without it.
	And I started again at the tail.
	Have you stripped, like done dancing or whatever?
	No, it wasn't dancing.
	I did internet stuff and the stuff I did in person.
	I just don't really want to title it because I don't want that viral clip of me saying that comment going on.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	I'm not ashamed of it.
	It's truly because the society we live in will limit my opportunities in the future because of that.
	And that's the truth.
	It shouldn't.
	But you said you started when you were 18.
	You're now 27.
	OnlyFans didn't exist when you started doing sex work.
	I was not doing OnlyFans at 18.
	I was doing other types of sex work.
	And I stopped for years.
	I was in a monogamous relationship for six years.
	And then when I got out of that, I went back to it out of survival, really.
	And it did pay all my bills for a year.
	It paid my fiancé's bills.
	It made my dreams come true.
	I mean, I don't regret what I did, but it wasn't being who I wanted to be.
	So I'm really grateful that I personally got to get out of that.
	However, I don't shame any otherone on that.
	So we're going to get through some of our.
	Sure.
	Well, I appreciate you sharing that.
	Now, we are going to get through some of our stack questions here that we tend to ask more towards the second half of the show.
	We try to ask this.
	It's always interesting to hear the responses every show.
	Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or a random bear starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	It's funny.
	This could apply to both man and bear.
	Do we both have weapons?
	Okay, so here's the thing I'm going to hear.
	Just to make it really clear.
	So you are randomly plucked.
	And a random man within the U.S. is also randomly plucked.
	So there's not like, why is he in the woods?
	You just randomly get teleported.
	What type of bear?
	It's a random bear, too.
	So the bear could, a random bear that exists in the United States.
	If it's a grizzly, I'll take the man.
	I'm not above fighting a grown man.
	If it's the bear, I'll take my chances with anything else other than a grizzly.
	Okay, so you get teleported.
	So there's not like, you know, why is the man in the forest?
	You know, whatever.
	You're both randomly put there.
	You're going to come up.
	If you pick man, you come across him.
	If you pick bear, you come across them.
	Answer is bear or ma'am?
	Both.
	Why not?
	You got to pick one.
	Man, bear.
	I'll take the man and I'll fight him if I need to.
	That's okay.
	Okay, so you'd rather the man than the bear?
	Why not?
	Yeah.
	Originally you said a different answer, kind of.
	You said something like that.
	I said if it was a grizzly, I'd pick the man and find my way out if I needed to.
	If it was any other species of bear, I'll take the bear.
	So okay, what about you?
	I mean, I feel like I have a more surefire awareness of what's going to happen if it's a bear.
	No matter what type, I could learn about bears.
	But I just personally have such a lack of understand oh, such a lack of understanding how you can scoot into the table a bit just to make it a little easier.
	The man-brain works.
	I don't really understand it, and that's why I like discussions like this, so I can try to understand how you guys think.
	The man-brain works.
	Sorry, that's simplifying it, but just how I feel like I'm trying to put myself in your position and how that would feel, I think.
	But if you were stuck out in the forest with a man, wouldn't that give you a lot of time to figure out the man-brain work?
	But then you have to think of my own personal experience with trauma and men.
	I would feel more comfortable with dying or being brutally attacked than dealing with a human doing that to me.
	Just in my experience, that's more damaging.
	I could survive a bear attacking me and ripping off my legs, but I don't think mentally I'm strong enough to survive.
	We'll get everybody's answers.
	I'm going to go with the man.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go with the bear.
	Man.
	I'll go with the man.
	Man.
	Really quick, why bear?
	Any of the times I've been brutally assaulted in my life, it's been from a human man.
	And there's been human men that I've trusted with my whole heart who've greatly harmed me.
	A bear, I don't trust a bear to begin with.
	I can at least kind of ascertain what its behaviors are going to be like because bears are kind of the same.
	Men can make you feel safe and trusted and then turn around and greatly harm you and you have no idea.
	And I'm sorry to hear that.
	Bears can't manipulate.
	I'm sorry to hear that.
	That's why I pick a bear personally.
	Okay, so it does sound, like you said, there's been some terrible things that have happened in your life.
	I do want to ask, though, so because those things have happened, you're saying that because of that, that gives you essentially justification for your bias against men?
	I don't have a bias against men.
	Hold on.
	I don't want to have sex with them, but I don't, and I don't want my life to revolve around them, but I'm happy to work with them.
	I'm happy to be in the workspaces with them.
	I'm happy to be in creative spaces with them.
	I just don't want them to sexualize me.
	I want them to look at me from my brain.
	But what does that have to do with the...
	That doesn't mean that I have a bias against them.
	Because, like I said, the only experience I have in my life of being physically attacked is by human men.
	So if that's my only experience, why would I choose to be alone with them?
	So this question is asking you to do a risk assessment.
	Yeah, I think it's less riskier to be around a bear because you can study on a YouTube video for 20 minutes how to survive a bear attack or whatever.
	I haven't done enough research.
	I know you get big or whatever, but I can learn those things pretty quickly and it'll work on pretty much all bears unless it has like some health problem and it's deranged.
	Men can change everything.
	They're all individual.
	They have highly like you, we're humans.
	We can think and manipulate and trick people.
	So bears can't trick me.
	What percentage of men do you think then?
	Because you must be doing some sort of calculus risk assessment here as to the likelihood that any given random man would hurt you.
	For example, if in this scenario I say that, and you might disagree with this number, but if you were to grant it, less than 1% of men in this situation would choose to harm you in some way.
	How do you know?
	You haven't interviewed every man that's alive.
	I just said he wasn't.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	Can you engage in that?
	I am engaging.
	That's why I asked a question.
	I'm trying to understand your example.
	If we grant that, if we grant that, would you still pick the bear?
	If it was the case that less than 1% of men would harm me, then 100%.
	Obviously, that makes way more sense.
	It'd be less likely a man would attack me than a bear, but that's not a real fact.
	You made that up.
	Fair enough.
	But so comparatively speaking, well actually, well first let me ask, what percentage of men then, like in actuality, since you don't agree that it's less than 1%, what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to victimize you in some way in this scenario?
	I don't, I just, I honestly don't know because I've been shocked so many times.
	I've really trusted people and been blown away.
	So I choose to, everyone I meet, assume that they're a good person.
	I see the good in everyone.
	But I'm also, once I see a red flag, I'm not going to ignore it.
	People show who they are really quickly and I listen to their actions.
	Do you think it's more than 10%?
	I think more than 10% of men would look at me and have some kind of thoughts as far as wanting something sexual for me just by looking at me, which doesn't mean they're going to attack me for it.
	It doesn't mean that all men can't control themselves, but it does mean that even though they're already having that thinking towards me, they're already looking at me as an object in some way rather than as an intelligent person to have discourse with.
	So that makes me uncomfortable in the first place that they have the ability to attack me.
	If we were in the woods and I was the only woman left and they wanted to have sex and there's literally no one to have sex with, I don't know if they'd go crazy.
	What's the scenario?
	I don't know what the scenario is.
	You said if I was alone in the woods with a man, so I'm assuming I'm alone in the woods with a man.
	Yeah.
	Which means there's no other women around.
	So if they want to have sex with me, I'm the only one.
	You won't be stuck there in perpetuity.
	I didn't know that.
	You didn't include that in the original thing.
	But again, if I can assess how a bear is going to act by its body language and stuff, and it's true.
	A man's body language can be a complete lie.
	So I would prefer to just see what it is for what it is and not have to try to read between the lines like I do with human men.
	Might I just change the scenario a little bit?
	Would you rather be stuck in a 10 by 10 room with a random man or a random bear?
	It really depends.
	If the statistic you're saying is that less than 1% of men want to harm me, then I'd rather be with a man.
	What do you think it is?
	I think I'd still rather be with a bear, to be honest with you, because I think I can study animal behaviors and learn.
	And I can't, no matter how much I study men, I won't just say that.
	Do you think right now you don't have time to study the animal behaviors?
	Then I guess maybe I'd pick a man because at least I know how to survive the situations with men.
	I know how to be fake submissive long enough to get out, but I don't want to be put in that situation anymore.
	So I think I'd rather just not be alone with men.
	Do you think in all instances, do you think in all instances you would have to be fake submissive?
	Yes.
	If a man wanted to attack me, the only way out, unless I have a weapon, I'm less than 100 pounds.
	Unless I have a weapon, if a man wants to harm me, the only way to survive it is not to fight it.
	It's to be submissive.
	So you do presuppose.
	You're presupposing.
	And I don't want to be in that position anymore.
	You're presupposing in all instances that the man would be inclined to attack you.
	He could be a perfectly, he could have absolutely zero intentions.
	That's what I'm saying.
	If he had no intentions of attacking me, then there wouldn't be a fight.
	But I'm just in your scenario.
	He could.
	He could have intentions, but he could also not have intentions.
	But that's always in any interaction.
	Every interaction with every man in the world is that way.
	I don't know their intentions.
	If we can, I would like to try to get a...
	A bear wouldn't attack you just because you're a woman.
	A bear just attacks me.
	A man attacks me.
	Yeah, they would.
	Not all men, but the men that do attack because that woman is smaller, can't fight back.
	They can easily control them.
	A bear isn't going to do that because you're a woman.
	They're going to attack you because you're a meat.
	Okay, so if I can, I would like to get a, I would like something specific.
	If you can attribute a percentage to the amount of men that you think in this situation would be inclined to attack you in some way?
	50-50.
	I think it's 50-50.
	So 50% of the men in the United States would be inclined to.
	I think they'd at least look at me and have a thought of like, I could.
	Yeah, I think they look at me and say, I could.
	She's 90 pounds.
	She's small.
	She's vulnerable.
	I could.
	I'm not going to, but I think they just look at me and immediately size me up.
	Okay, what percentage of men?
	What percentage of men are heterosexual?
	Probably a lot less than people admit, I'd think.
	I think there's a lot of men that are more gay.
	I would be prepared.
	A lot of the ones who are not.
	Brian, thanks for getting to my cue.
	Binky, I double-dog dare you to debate feminism with Mrs. Wilson.
	It will be very amusing.
	I am off to bed.
	The amount of copium on this panel is overwhelming.
	Good night.
	Grid one, thank you for the TTS.
	Appreciate it.
	I hope you have a good night, Grid 1.
	Sweet dreams.
	Sweet dreams, like she says.
	Well, I mean, so even if I just grant you $200.
	I honestly hope this 304 runs into a grizzly and tries to be big LMFAO.
	Talk about being misinformed.
	Ladies, your chest tattoos give you away.
	Cancel your avoid GTFO with your BS.
	Always listen.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	He's always listening.
	Yo, Hakama, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	So if 90% of men are heterosexual, I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of them found you attractive.
	It's not clear to me if there's like just because a man finds you attractive, that that's going to then lead to you getting attacked or victimized in some way.
	That's what's hard to ascertain, and that's what I think Liza was getting at earlier when she was saying we don't know men's brains.
	It's like we do find people.
	I can appreciate that you're not ugly.
	I think you have an attractive face.
	Does that make me attracted to you?
	No, I have no attraction to you whatsoever.
	That's a question.
	But I have no attract, but that's what I'm saying.
	It's like the way that I think about people, I can look at someone and think they're attractive, but I wonder when men look at me and think I'm attractive.
	The level of delusion is off the scale.
	I'd laugh as I walk away while the bear eats your dumb arm.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, that's scary that men would walk away while I got murdered.
	Like, I never said exactly why.
	I'd rather be aware of that.
	That's totally valid.
	It is valid, but to him saying, just because we pick a bear, we deserve to die.
	No, we just shouldn't.
	Do you think men have a duty?
	Wait, is this really a feminist position?
	No, I'm just.
	No, hold on.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	Do you think men have a duty to protect random women?
	Wanting us to die is different than them having a duty.
	I never said they have a duty to protect us, but them standing there and be like, haha, die, bitch, because you picked a bear?
	Yeah.
	That's fucking weird.
	I don't wish a death upon anything.
	People make choices I disagree with all the time, and I don't want them to be dead.
	And if something bad happened to them, I genuinely feel sadness for them.
	So just bear and bear, right?
	You said 50% of men would be inclined to.
	I don't know.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that's what it feels like to me, but I'm not in your head, and that's why I just feel comfortable not being alone with men.
	It has nothing to do with my head.
	It's what you do.
	When I'm saying you, I'm talking about men as a group.
	Right, I know.
	I'm not talking about you specifically.
	I don't want to be in a room alone with you, but I don't think you'd harm me either.
	I just am saying, like, I don't know how men think, but I don't think men think like me where they're like, oh, she's pretty.
	Okay, let's continue.
	I think they think, oh, she's pretty.
	What's she look like naked?
	Does she know how to suck dick?
	Like, I think they think those things, and that's what makes me uncomfortable.
	And you say you don't have a bias against men?
	I didn't say I don't have a bias against men.
	You literally said, I don't have a bias against men.
	I didn't say that verbatim.
	I never said the word bias once this whole conversation.
	Can you replay the clip I said before?
	I asked.
	I'm pretty sure I asked if you have a bias against men, and you said, no, I do not.
	I said that I'd love to.
	How is that any different?
	It's completely different.
	I'm saying.
	How is it different?
	I'm trying to explain.
	You keep interrupting the same fucking question.
	I didn't answer it.
	So, like, Jesus Christ.
	So like I am happy to be able to do that.
	So anyway, I'm happy to work with men who I want to work with people as human beings.
	I don't want them to look at me sexually.
	I don't want to look at them sexually.
	I want them to see the intelligence I have.
	I want to see the creativity they have, vice versa.
	I want to feed off of each other.
	I want to be in the work environment with people who want to work towards the same things I want to work with, regardless of gender.
	I'm just saying, I'm choosing not to be alone with men really in any respect.
	And that's not me having a bias against them.
	That's the way I choose to live my life.
	I don't hate you guys.
	I just don't want to.
	Do you know what prejudice means?
	Why is that a problem?
	Do you know what prejudice means?
	Are you prejudiced because you don't want to be fucked in the ass by a man?
	Like, you're fairly.
	You have your own preferences.
	I don't want to be alone with a man.
	That doesn't mean I hate you guys or have a bias against you.
	I just, I don't feel comfortable with you.
	You don't want to get fucked in the ass like you hate gay people?
	Let me ask you that.
	Like you don't hate gay people.
	I'm not assuming that, but I'm assuming you don't want to have sex with a man.
	That's your preference.
	I don't think you're biased.
	What does that have to do with bias or prejudice?
	Because you're saying because I don't want to be alone with a man, that that means I have a bias against them.
	Well, hold on.
	I cannot feel safe around you and the world around men.
	Tell me if this is correct.
	So you said that I bet if most men saw me, they would think this.
	They would think, oh, she's attractive.
	Damn.
	Modest teachers.
	Sorry, I don't need $200.
	Thank you.
	900% red tank top wished that Trump's assassin was successful, but also says literal brain dead shit like, I wish death on no one.
	Sorry, Bricks.
	And YouTube will take this.
	When will you be on Rumble?
	Yo, Hakama.
	Thank you, man, for the TTS.
	Really good to see you back, man.
	It's been a while, so thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Really quick.
	For the record, I don't wish death upon Donald Trump.
	I just don't want him to be my president.
	But I don't want him to be.
	I don't wish harm upon literally anyone.
	And that's hard for people to believe because other people, I think, do wish that.
	And they don't agree with me because they don't know what it's like.
	Thank you, Hakama.
	So going back to this, so you said something along the lines of, if I recall correctly, that if a man were to see you in the forest, that he would think something along the lines of, wow, she's attractive.
	I wonder if she sucks dick good.
	I wonder how she looks naked.
	Did you say that essentially?
	I've had that experience.
	No, no, no, no.
	Did you say that?
	Yes, I did say that because I've had that experience.
	How is that not precisely a prejudice and a bias against men to assume, to presuppose that that is precisely what a majority of men is going to think?
	I never said the majority.
	I said maybe it's 50-50, maybe it's less.
	I don't know what it is, but I do know for a fact that some men think that way because they've told me to my face and they've shown me in their actions.
	I don't think all men feel that way, but because I know some of them do.
	I just choose to not be alone.
	Men do undress women.
	And that's okay as long as they don't act.
	They undress women in their own mind.
	As long as they don't act inappropriately.
	I understand you've been victimized.
	I get that.
	Let us assume for a second that you grew up in like the hood, okay?
	And you were white.
	And you were being victimized by people who lived in this demographic.
	And so later, right, when somebody asked you, would you rather be on an island with a person who was black or a person who was white?
	And they said, always a person who was white, would they be being prejudiced?
	Not necessarily, because like that's what I'm saying is that's these are the thinking that we need to break down is like I had to come to that point with men.
	I used to, I was a man hater, I'll be honest with you.
	I'm not a man hater anymore because I've realized they're not all that way.
	That doesn't mean I want to get close to you necessarily, but it's the same thing that, but yeah, let me let me continue getting there.
	I'm getting there.
	I don't necessarily think that.
	Like I think if you had the living shit beat out of you by a black person and then you instinctively felt fear of a black person, like that's not necessarily wrong.
	That's PTSD.
	However, if you choose to allow that belief to color your life and color the way you treat black people forever, you have responsibility to change that.
	Then this is exactly, then you really have to be aware of it.
	Right, I have broken down.
	I don't feel hatred towards men anymore.
	I just really don't want my life to revolve around.
	But that's it.
	But let's hang on.
	Let's reverse this, right?
	You can do your life and be happy.
	Uno reverses.
	I don't want to be a part of it.
	Right?
	Okay, so if a white person was like, okay, yeah, I get it.
	I just don't ever want to be in the room with a black person.
	I mean, like, again, if they choose to go hide in their house, like, as long as they're not actively harming black people because of their fear, they can think anyone can think whatever they want in their head as long as they're not.
	Yeah, but is it correct for them to think that?
	It's not correct or incorrect to think anything.
	What's incorrect or actions?
	You can think whatever you want.
	If they stop and make them action.
	So if they said out loud, I don't want to be in a room with a person because they're a different race than me.
	That's something they need to, it's something they need to be like, I understand and have compassion for myself because the trauma I experience made me feel this way.
	But I need to recognize that that's something I need to break down.
	Like, yeah, that's part of growing up and maturing is like, I had to realize a lot of the things that traumatized me as a child.
	Like, the whole world isn't that way.
	Like, that's why I'm here talking to you guys.
	I was walking down the street to get tacos with my fiancé.
	I didn't know I was going to be on this weird conservative talk show with two men.
	But like, I just like, I'm not afraid of you.
	I'm not wanting to not have discourse with you, but if you were like, come home with me after this, I'd be like, no, thank you, because that's not what I want.
	But that's what I'm saying is I just don't want my life to revolve around you.
	It doesn't mean I don't want to work with you.
	It doesn't mean I don't want to talk to you on TV and understand your point of view.
	I think it's fascinating.
	I totally disagree, but it's fascinating and I like to learn from you.
	But I don't want it to go beyond that.
	That's literally it.
	Let me ask you the end of the story.
	A quick follow-up.
	So if you're on an island, let's say there's no bear.
	Yeah.
	You're just on an island and you are told before you go on, you're given a crystal ball.
	So you can look into the person's heart and you know for sure he's not thinking anything about you that way, nothing like that.
	But he hates feminists.
	So he's like, look, if we're magically being transported to this island against our choice, right?
	Is he obligated in any way, shape, or form to help you?
	No, but I'm not obligated to help him or have sex with him.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	We're not obligated to do anything to be trusted.
	I don't want anything like that.
	If he doesn't want anything to do with me, I would respect that.
	Just like I would expect him to respect that about me back.
	So if you're starving to death on this island and he has a big like, you know, boar that he just took down, right?
	And he would agree he'd probably be better at that because, like you said, you're 90 pounds, right?
	Unless I had a gun, I could do it alone.
	Yeah, I know.
	Okay, so he fashions a spear out of like vines and shit, right?
	He goes, takes his boar out.
	He's cooking.
	You're starving to death, right?
	Does he have any obligation to give you that boar?
	Morally, I mean, I think it's kind of rude of him not to, but that's the kind of person I am.
	Is if he didn't want shit to do with me, I would turn around and I'd catch a bigger boar and figure it out.
	Because the thing is, is like a lot of this is not just all about bronze.
	It's about intelligence.
	Like, if I have the tools, I can do the same thing men can do.
	I just need the tools because I don't have the arm muscle.
	That's not, that doesn't make any sense.
	Yeah, you have no tools.
	Yeah.
	Well, if I'm on an island, I can make some tools.
	Guess what?
	Part of my troubled teen industry story was I was one of those girls in those wilderness camps.
	I had to make a fire out of random fibers of plants and sticks.
	Like I literally actually learned how to do all that shit.
	I'm sure I could figure it out.
	But I think it'd be really rude of him.
	And if it was vice versa and he was starving and I was the one that caught the boar, my nature as a person is I would share with him.
	But he has no obligation to.
	Not necessarily, no.
	Because I'm not, that's what I'm saying.
	I can take care of me.
	I don't need you guys to protect me.
	That's all I just want.
	I'm not safer living with a woman than I ever have.
	So I will move it on here.
	I guess really quick, so you said it was about 50-50 for the menu?
	Maybe that's what it seems like to me from my limited worldview experience, but I haven't seen the whole world and I haven't met every man.
	But you think that way.
	You think it's probably 50-50.
	It feels that way.
	50% of the time.
	Sometimes some days it really feels that way.
	Okay, and then you said bear too.
	If you had to attribute a percentage, what percentage of men do you think would victimize women in this scenario?
	Into the mic?
	Um, I mean, I guess if I'm it's hard for me to know.
	Um, if I guess it just depends.
	My experience is it's more than 50% because that's my interaction.
	If I go through the list of men, and for me, so for me, I would say more like 75.
	But in general, I don't know.
	It's probably less.
	But I also just want to add that, oh, never mind.
	His fine.
	Choplar donated $200.
	Brix, and I've never seen a panel by one.
	Oh, my dude, it's Jay Butler.
	He's back to it.
	Congratulations, you've really outdone yourself this time.
	Everybody's coming out of one.
	It's a human.
	Excuse me while I choke on my own vomit.
	What the hell?
	When's the last time you got tested, buddy?
	It's like a high school insult.
	When's the last time I remember?
	Last time I saw Jay Butler.
	Months.
	We've been missing your herpes talk, bro.
	Hold on.
	I got something.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Dude, Jay Butler, where have you been, bro?
	We've been waiting on the herpes conversation.
	Just for context, guys, he would every show send in a message about always herpes.
	He's a doctor.
	He's a guilty conscience.
	He's a urologist.
	Jay Butler's a urologist.
	Anyways, so you said 75% of men in the scenario.
	But I do just want to, I think the main point for me is that I am trying to change that initial bias that, okay, I don't know all men, and I don't think I have to believe that it's actually the opposite of what I think and that men don't want to attack us.
	You know, I hope that's true, but when it keeps happening, it makes me lose faith, honestly.
	So it's hard for me to believe when I'm constantly looking.
	And even that's again, that's why I'm here today to because I'm interested in people's opinions and thoughts.
	But yeah, so I would hope it's less, but in my experience, that unfortunately hasn't been the case.
	And if we reverse the question and we ask, do you think a man would prefer to be stuck in the forest with a woman or a bear?
	What would your answer be?
	I hope they don't pick me.
	Not you.
	A random woman or a random bear, which one do you think a man would choose?
	They would probably, depending on who they are, their character, their morals, they could choose a woman.
	They could choose a bear.
	As long as it's not me, I really don't care.
	So which one do you think they would choose?
	Depends on the man.
	Okay.
	Generally speaking, probably women.
	So they would probably choose a woman.
	I would think typically women.
	Yeah.
	The bear.
	Women are terrifying.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	I'm just kidding.
	They'd probably go with the woman.
	I'd say the women for companionship.
	I think, yeah.
	Yeah, it's the woman.
	This is men we're talking about.
	Come on.
	Yeah, definitely the woman.
	Come on now.
	If my boyfriend answered the question, he'd say he doesn't want to get me too.
	Okay.
	Here, final thing on this.
	So going back to the 75% number that you gave and the 50% number that you gave, there are 165 million men in the United States.
	Using your percentages, are you prepared to say that in the United States, over about 80 million men in the United States would be inclined to victimize a woman in the scenario?
	And then for you, are you prepared to say that 127 million men in the United States would be prepared to victimize a woman in the scenario?
	Go ahead.
	No, I don't think so.
	And that's my whole point: I truly believe that I'm creating a statistic in my mind because you want a specific answer, but I really can only answer based on my experience and can hope that it's less.
	So I think that would be wrong for me to say, yes, that many, many men do.
	Your intuition's telling you one thing, your rational brain's telling you one thing.
	Right, and that's what I'm saying.
	Trying to be rational and not avoid interaction with men.
	I'm not going to run away.
	Then if you were to rationalize, so now you have this intuitive battle.
	My intuition tells me one thing, my reason's telling me something which is pushing back against intuition, which happens sometimes.
	If you were to only use the rational, absent the intuition, which is really hard to untangle, but assuming you were to only try to look at it from that purview, would your answer change as to how many men you think would be prepared to do that?
	No, I think that I would want there to be more.
	How do I say this?
	I think the amount of assaults and things like that are underreported anyway.
	So if we had more accurate numbers, then I feel because I know the statistics about how many men and women are being hurt, but I don't like, I think it's, and I know it's more likely people that they know.
	So I think that's what makes me scared and not willing to trust men because it's not the strangers.
	Yeah, but you're going with a random person.
	Yeah, but if we're going with a random man, then I don't know.
	It's still so, like you said, I want to go rational and want to believe that men would want to step up and protect women because that's what, but also there's no obligation to because I do believe in free will.
	So if you do, and do you think that because this, just so you know, Ms. Answer is given a lot where they think the percentages are really high.
	And it's based on that intuition that often it's underreported, things like this.
	But if you were a man in modernity and you heard women saying this, that they believe that over 50% of men in the U.S. population are in some way willing to assault them.
	Why the hell would you ever want to go around women?
	Exactly.
	No, I totally agree.
	And I think that's a good idea.
	Why would you ever in a million years want to ever go around women?
	I think that's why this is kind of another topic, but why it's kind of what I was saying earlier, why men are so lost in the sauce right now.
	I mean, earlier we talked about, what was it, X-Age, men being the predominant ones in our society who take their lives.
	And I think we've done, you know, not a great job at navigating and, like I said, kind of crucifying them and villainizing them to where it's too much, to where they're now like, well, what do I do?
	Even their instincts, like, do I do this, this, this?
	And they're just lost in their identity right now.
	And that's, you know, a problem.
	Have any of you ever opened up the Citizens app and saw how many registered sex offenders live within proximity of you?
	Or if I...
	Yeah.
	Because if we're going to talk about...
	A lot of them are female teachers.
	I'm not saying that.
	It makes no sense that women do that.
	It does.
	So the thing is, is like, yeah, there's not that many.
	By the way, even if you had within your proximity 100 people, you don't really realize how many people are actually in your proximity, probably.
	There's probably more than the ones who are pictured because of underreported crimes.
	Yeah, but even if that were true and you were to double it, it would still be a really tiny sample of that population.
	But you agree that there's more than one person.
	I think one is too many, right?
	But I'm still rational about this, right?
	So I'm saying, even if one is too many, and I prefer that there wasn't even one within this proximity, if there was 100, if you're living in the middle of downtown Santa Barbara, that's a really low number.
	But the chance is never zero.
	Well, it wouldn't be zero if there was none.
	So I guess I do want to move on to the next thing.
	I still would just like to pose the question one more time.
	And I'll even use your lower number of 50%.
	Isaiah Flute donated 200.
	Andrew, this seems like half of a panel of junkies and sex workers.
	Good luck because they are not able to logically think.
	Well, I disagree.
	I think that some people on the panel actually, in comparison to many of the panels, have given reasoned arguments that I can at least engage with.
	So I'm happy about that.
	I think it's been a pretty fantastic panel.
	I think you're just except her because she's on a journey.
	But everybody else, everybody else has been doing fantastic.
	Yes, exactly.
	I'll read this really quick.
	John Green, I don't know if these men can understand what 50% or more are thinking.
	How much do they know about bears?
	They are 100% looking for food.
	John Green, thank you for the super chat, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	But she's saying her intuition doesn't match her reason.
	So she's saying that they're in conflict with each other.
	Yeah, that happens all the time.
	So you're making a rationalization.
	Yeah, and I think that's important.
	I know I'm wrong, but I still feel this way.
	Yeah.
	And so that's a rationalization.
	Yeah, and I don't think that separating men and women, and especially because I'm not straight, so I can't, I can't take away from that.
	Like, most people are straight and love, men love women, and women love men.
	So I don't, I don't have the same, like, I don't need a man in my life.
	But donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	The cautionary tale of plastic surgery and Tatu sitting in front of Brixon is clearly suffering the neurological damage of a genital herpes infection.
	Joe Anglo speaks more lucid than this creature.
	Did your mother ever love you, sweetheart?
	Not Joe Black.
	Would she be proud of the way you sit here and talk about women or any men?
	He's a urologist.
	I mean, would your father be proud of how you talked about men?
	He was a, I can't say the word.
	So yeah, no, I've just.
	There was a comment earlier about can you say this to your brothers and fathers and stuff?
	And the ones who do it, yes.
	Okay, well, maybe his mom was it as well.
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	We all are how we are for a reason.
	We all have full lives, and I want to not judge men based on my experiences.
	So, Jay Butler, thank you, man.
	Really quick, since he always likes to talk about herpes, really quick naturally.
	So, you're in the adult entertainment industry, you do like traditional porn, whatever.
	My understanding is, perhaps you can educate me a bit on this.
	Most people who are in the traditional porn industry on a short enough or even long enough time period will eventually get herpes.
	That's all the entire population that has nothing to do with strictly sex work.
	It's you can, yeah, no.
	That is a statistic you can look up outside of sex work, the general population.
	Sure, it's not in the general population, huh?
	Yeah, sure.
	People in the general population can't get genital herpes.
	It's not more so prevalent in sex work.
	If anything, it's less prevalent because they don't test for it.
	They do not test for herpes.
	Yeah, the rates of all STDs are higher.
	Well, not on standard panel tests, but sex workers who are responsible do get tested for it at least annually.
	I'm not going to throw a girl we've recently had on in one of her recent shows.
	She was a sex worker, young girl.
	And somebody, again, I'm not going to say her name just for privacy reasons.
	Somebody DM'd me and said, Yo, she's bullshing the whole time.
	Like, she goes to set with like active genital herpes outbreaks.
	See, that I feel like.
	Those are the kind of people that are endangering our community.
	And I can wholeheartedly say that not everyone belongs in the uneducated people who are uneducated on incubation times, testing, consent, so many different concepts of sex work.
	But if I was on the topic of STDs, sex workers are probably more cleanly than the general public who gets tested once a year.
	I mean, I find it dubious, though, when it comes to herpes.
	The STD rates among sex workers much higher than the general public across the board.
	So everyone here gets tested every month?
	It wouldn't matter because it would if you're having multiple partners.
	I'll explain.
	It's due to risk assessment, right?
	So there's certain populations which are at higher risk than other populations, even than you.
	I haven't popped one.
	You gotta let me finish so I can answer your question.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	So like homosexual males, for instance, are gonna be at a higher rate than other populations for the risk of STDs, for an increase in STDs.
	Because there can be tearing and blood transfusions.
	That, yes, but also because there's a different rate of promiscuity in partner swap than compared to the general population.
	So this same exact logic would apply inside of sex work.
	So inside of sex work, your job is to have sex.
	Most people's job is not to have sex.
	And so since most people's job is to not have sex, their risk, generally speaking, is going to be way lower than a person whose job is to.
	I, since being in this industry professionally, have never contracted anything.
	I have only contracted stuff before sex work when I wasn't completely in the industry because it was all promiscuous sex and no one's fucking getting away.
	I, as a person who was never in sex work, never contracted.
	That's the same argument.
	That's fine.
	You're married.
	Your risk is probably lower.
	It's never zero.
	Right.
	But married people should still, every now and then, get tested because how can you be certain that you're, I'm not saying your partner is, but how can you be certain that your partner has only slept with you?
	That is ignorance.
	I do have to move it on.
	I do have to move it on.
	Warlord says to the lady in red, lights, camera action, I'm sorry that your father figure has tainted the picture you have of what a man is.
	If you listen to Andrew carefully, you'll know that he is right.
	Okay, thank you, Warlord 69.
	Ooh, woo.
	Fucking.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I've experienced hundreds of men, and I think I can make an educated assessment of what I like and don't like.
	All right.
	A couple rapid-fire questions here.
	We'll try to get through them quick.
	No.
	Are men or women physically stronger?
	Starting with you.
	With evolution, men.
	Okay.
	I'll say men.
	I'll say men too.
	Generally, men.
	There are exceptions.
	There's strong women and weak men too.
	Men.
	Biology.
	Men.
	Evolutionary.
	Men.
	Okay, just checking.
	Who is the primary victim of war, men or women?
	The people of the country the war is in.
	Well, so the question is, though.
	Men or women?
	Men or women.
	Why do one matter more than the other when it comes to war and everyone's mother?
	You can say both.
	Both.
	That's what I said.
	So both.
	So you think that both men, women, children.
	So equal.
	They're equally.
	Okay.
	I think it depends on how you look at it, too.
	Like, you could say if you're thinking about creating more life for the world to continue, that it would be women because you need men to have children in the first place.
	But you could also say men because they're actually fighting the wars and PTSD is a huge thing.
	And there was actually a slightly different women can continue to do that.
	Just one point of clarification.
	You said you could say women because you need women to stem suffering.
	Because you need men to procreate.
	So if we're talking about war as in killing people and less, your population having less people, then I would say women would suffer because there's not.
	You see what the argument I'm trying to have?
	It's just a side thought.
	But whatever.
	But then I would say men, if you're thinking about just fighting in war.
	So they're just primary overall.
	Yeah, overall, I would guess say men.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It doesn't, yeah.
	I guess I would say both, honestly.
	But I mean, I know this is an option, but I think the people that like, you know, pass away in said war are probably like the most of the victim, but there's obviously other victims too, so both.
	So you think the primary victims would be the people who are fighting and dying in the war?
	I think anyone that's dying due to the war, like not necessarily, you don't have to be fighting to die in said war.
	So if you were to take both sexes, would you say that wars have an equal conditional standard on both or one suffers more than the other?
	I think that everyone suffers when it's a war, you know?
	Like, I think war is just bad, honestly.
	Well, then, actually, just so you know, there's no actual way to conceptualize any other answer than either they suffer the same or one suffers more.
	Exactly.
	They suffer the same.
	There couldn't be any other answer.
	Could you even think of another answer?
	There could be then either both of them suffer the same or one suffers more than the other.
	Could there even be another one?
	I think the other, the other, my answer is that whoever's affected by violence directly.
	Well, that would be one or the other.
	But that's what I'm saying, is it's not.
	It might be men who are fighting, but if you're fighting in a town where women live and they are also getting essayed and attacked and they're next to a bomb that blows up and they're not part of it, but they just were affected.
	Or maybe the woman's madly in love with her husband and he just died in front of her.
	That's going to affect her.
	Honestly, maybe worse because he's not alive to remember it.
	She has to live with it the rest of her life.
	So anyone, regardless of gender, that's directly affected by the violence of war is going to be affected whether they were participating or not.
	So it's still going to be one or the other.
	Primarily men because they're mostly fighting, but we fight in areas where women and children live.
	So they're very.
	I totally agree.
	So I totally agree that men fight in areas where there's women and children.
	Absolutely.
	But I'm just saying that I can't logically think of an answer other than it's either they suffer equally or one suffers more than the other.
	I got it.
	They suffer equally if they're both affected by the violence.
	Like you might not be perpetuating violence, but if you live around it, you're going to be affected equally as someone who's participating.
	Witnessing people die around affect you for life.
	So you think it's about equality.
	Yeah, I think it's equal.
	Anyone who's seeing violence is affected.
	Gotcha.
	I'm going to say men.
	And back to the bear thing.
	You know how you asked if it was, would you expect a man to save you from a bear coming out charging after you?
	I'm going to say, hell yes, I would.
	I ain't too proud of Beg.
	Like, I'm a tough bitch, but yes.
	This goes into men, like stepping up.
	Step up, men.
	But also accept us flirting with other men while we're in a monogamous romantic relationship.
	What does one have to do?
	That's real.
	Totally arbitrary.
	What does one have to do?
	What does the other?
	This have to do with the conversation.
	I said I'm a tough bitch.
	I'm strong.
	I'm in control.
	But the bear's coming out of my ass.
	Like I said, I ain't too proud of Beg.
	I love a man around to help out with, I'm an acts of service love language gal.
	I'm down for a man to be around.
	Can't you just use your goddess energy?
	Always, that too.
	It's the yin and the yang.
	That's what people don't get, right?
	It's so, I talked about binary earlier.
	I don't know why.
	You probably think your wife is a goddess.
	Why are you mocking it?
	No, I don't.
	That would be blasphemy.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, definitely don't say my wife's a goddess or you or any woman to be a goddess.
	That's insanity.
	Okay.
	I have no problem with traditional gender norms, right?
	Men being stepping in.
	You've totally derailed the conversation.
	No, I was getting to it.
	No, you weren't.
	You've totally derailed the conversation.
	I was talking about it.
	I was talking about, whoa, your goddess energy flirting.
	It's all power, right?
	And so men have to be this way to be powerful.
	Hang on, women have to.
	I'm actually going to talk to this cup.
	I have to be past.
	Women have to be this way to be powerful.
	You have to stop talking.
	You missed the point.
	You're in the boxes.
	I just told you, you've just derailed the conversation.
	I didn't.
	It's all part of the same thing.
	No.
	When I talk about the bear coming after me, you're like, oh, flirting at a monogamous.
	Also, do you got, are you asexual?
	You find other people attractive.
	You flirt, it's human beings.
	That's what it has to do with anything.
	You brought it into this because you're like, oh, in a homogamous relationship flirting.
	I just said something about it.
	Like, it's so arbitrary.
	What does one have to do with the other?
	Okay.
	But it's also that you guys keep going after that.
	Do you not remember?
	Are you just not listening to what I'm saying at all?
	We moved on from the bear conversation.
	We were going around the table asking all the panelists.
	The reason I said men, I said men stepping up and in war, right?
	Men being in combat, being in battle.
	That goes back to my original thing of why I said men.
	It's not confusing.
	No, I don't think so.
	Right.
	He looks confused.
	You weren't.
	Well, that's so from his perspective, it's because he's just looking for the direct answer.
	And then, because usually on the second round of the question, then we can get into the qualifiers.
	Okay.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Yeah.
	I'd say those are directly affected by the violence, whether it be men or women.
	I'm sorry.
	It's what?
	Oh, the question was.
	So the question is: who's the primary victim of war?
	You have to choose one.
	Men are.
	I don't have to choose one.
	Men, if they're primarily fighting.
	Men are the victims of war.
	Okay.
	So I don't.
	Were there anybody say women?
	Yeah, there's a lot of 50-50s.
	Yeah.
	When a woman's witnessing war and you watch someone explode in front of your very eyes, that's going to change your life in a horrible way.
	But even if you're not a part of it, watching humans die is exploding.
	But would it be worse for you to be the person who exploded or the person watching the person explode?
	Personally, I think I'd rather be the one that exploded because I don't have to wake up every day and live with that traumatic memory.
	That's what I'm doing.
	So then, let me ask you.
	Especially watching children die, it's hard to keep going.
	Do you have loved ones who've passed?
	I mean, yeah, I do.
	I haven't experienced a life partner or a sibling or a parent dying yet, actually.
	But you do recognize that every single day, tens of thousands of people have people who are close to them pass away and that they can recover from that, and they do most often recover from that.
	Yes, but someone dying in their sleep is different than loving.
	Oh, no, they die in the body.
	They're watching someone actually guts.
	That's going to give you PTSD.
	Have you ever seen someone die?
	I've only seen like gore images on the internet that have actually in person.
	I haven't watched someone.
	I have seen dead bodies, but I haven't watched someone die in front of me.
	So, okay, you said if somebody passes away in their sleep, so that happens, but so I was in hospice care when my grandma passed away.
	Now it was sort of essentially death by old age, right?
	Yeah.
	It was actually extremely brutal, even under the care of a doctor to see my grandmother go through the actual process of death.
	Yeah, I'm sure it's probably ugly.
	It's not pretty.
	It was not pretty.
	I know.
	This is my first time ever seeing that.
	But I mean, that is not like a sort of, at least compared to if you're violently attacked or you're in a car crash.
	That is the way a lot of people die, they're in hospice care.
	They just kind of pass away.
	End of life, even under these circumstances where you're under the care of a medical professional, it's not a pretty thing.
	Oh, I completely sympathize with you.
	I think watching anyone you love die, whether it's graphic or not, just watching them kind of slowly lose their spirit and kind of not be the same bright light they were.
	Like, of course, that's awful.
	And so even if they made it to old age and they had a full, fulfilling life, anyone you love no longer being here is going to be hard.
	But that is very different than watching a small child blow up a bomb.
	That's just not the same.
	It's going to traumatize you in a whole other way.
	Even in this hospice example that I provided with my own grandma, it's not like how it's portrayed in the movies where they're like they're totally lucid and then they just kind of close their eyes and they go away.
	Like it's they are like fighting and it's like disturbing and it's it's heavy.
	I bet.
	And you like you see the eyes glaze over.
	They're still alive though.
	They're still trying to breathe.
	It's frankly disturbing.
	I'm sure it is.
	But that's what you're saying is you're already admitting that that affected you.
	So imagine watching hundreds of people die like even more violently.
	That's going to affect you even more.
	But you understand potentials.
	Oh, yes.
	So if we're looking at fatalities, Brian, was it fatalities or no?
	Just primary victims, however you think of victim.
	Yeah.
	So but think about potentials.
	So back to non-intuition, just reason for a second.
	Yeah.
	If you're thinking about the potential, you would agree with me that if somebody's dead, all potential is gone.
	True.
	Yeah, all potential is gone.
	However, if somebody is alive and they experience tons of trauma, there's a good potential, even a good potential, that they can recover and move past that trauma.
	Yeah, it's true.
	That's what makes me want to keep going.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Exactly.
	I can keep it.
	So if that is true, right?
	Then wouldn't you agree with me that the person being exploded, it's still better to not be that person.
	You're probably right, honestly.
	Like, you probably are.
	And I'm not disagreeing with you either.
	I'm just saying, like, would I rather like watch my wife die or die first?
	Like, I would, I feel less upset me dying first.
	However, the thought of her having to watch me die actually is also bad.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, I...
	But the potential exists.
	It's hard to answer because I haven't died.
	The potential exists.
	And sure.
	I'm going to grant a couple things immediately.
	I 100% believe you that you would prefer to die instead of a loved one.
	I totally agree with that.
	Okay.
	However, I would need you to concede back, though, that if a loved one close to you does die, that you still have potential to move past that scenario.
	That's true.
	And that's the beautiful thing about life.
	Yeah.
	So if we're conceding that that is true, then it seems to me that the potential itself of being able to recover is superior to death.
	You know, you're right.
	Actually, this is a great example of you kind of making me think a little bit.
	And you're right.
	I am kind of changing my perspective.
	I think you're right.
	You still do have that potential, if you're still alive, to keep going.
	You're right.
	But it's also, it's conflicting because I wouldn't wish Liza to live a life.
	Yeah, but they're not exclusive.
	And the reason we're having a better conversation, just so you know, I tend to match energy with people.
	So if people are super combative, I'm super combative.
	If they're cool and they're relaxed, I'm cool and relaxed.
	No, you've kind of made me think differently.
	You're right, because if I had a baby, would I want my baby to grow up with no mom?
	No.
	But if it had to choose between me and the baby, I would want the baby to live and I'd die because they have the potential to die.
	Which makes sense.
	So that's completely.
	That totally makes sense, right?
	So I would think most honorable people would say that they would want to instead.
	So I think if my brother was in a war, that if my dad had a crystal ball and knew he was going to step on a landmine, that he would want to trade places with him.
	You're right.
	However, if my brother did die in the war, I think that my father has the potential to, over time, either not necessarily heal completely from that trauma, but at least be able to cope with it over an elongated period of time.
	So if that's true, then you would have to concede that men have to be the primary victim of war if they're the ones who are mostly dying.
	You're right.
	If they're the ones that are mostly dying, that's true.
	I do think that when other countries are invaded, oftentimes civilians are equally attacked a lot of the times.
	And in those situations, there's plenty of women that die.
	but you're right.
	Whoever's primarily, I even agree.
	Whoever's primarily losing their life is the biggest loser.
	Right.
	Got it.
	So I guess overall with most of the men, but if they can pillage a village and kill all the women and essay all the women in that village, I think they're equal victims.
	I think that's true, but I just want to kind of go back, though.
	You're right.
	That in almost every war that I'm aware of, right?
	I'm sure that there's some outliers where women and children bore the brunt more than the men did.
	But every war that I'm aware of, there was far more male deaths combined with civilian and soldier deaths.
	Yeah, and if that's like, again, because I don't know the stats, if the stats are giving me are true and I believe you, then yeah, you're right, men are a bigger victim because losing your life, you don't have a chance after that.
	Right, you don't have a chance.
	And I agree with that.
	Does that make sense to you?
	But I'm just.
	It makes sense, however, there is no perfect victim, and the people who die, their suffering ends there.
	The after effects of war, famine, homes gone, people starving to death, they are a continued victim.
	The people who died were a victim in their death, but they are dead, gone, no longer suffering.
	The people who remain after the war have to deal with the repercussions of the war for the rest of their lives, even if they are able to get over it.
	Totally agree.
	But backing up, let me ask the same question to you.
	Do you agree that people, if they're dead, have zero potential of recovering from traumas?
	If they're dead, yeah.
	Okay, so if they're alive, they do have the potential to recover from the trauma.
	The potential is there, but people do recover from trauma.
	Not everyone.
	I just want to say that the chance, let's give it the worst possible chance.
	It's 1%, let's say.
	It's the worst possible chance ever that they will recover.
	Maybe only one person in 100,000 will recover.
	Isn't that still a better potential than being dead?
	Yes.
	Personally, if I watched my entire family die in front of me, if I watched my children be blown to shreds, take me with them.
	Because I don't want to continue asking.
	I agree with you.
	You would totally feel that way right then.
	But do you agree that the potential exists?
	The potential.
	That over an elongated enough period of time, through grief counseling and whatever else was available, that you might be able to psychologically reconcile and move past or at least deal with that event.
	The potential is there.
	Yes, that's it.
	That's all we need.
	So if the potential is there, if it's just there, then I don't see how you could say that you could be the primary victim over the dead.
	That's my point.
	The potential is there.
	Doesn't mean you're not going to starve to death from famine.
	Doesn't mean you're not going to watch more people of your family slowly die.
	Then the potential is not there.
	So if they're dead, the potential, you're removing the thing which we're arguing over, which is the potential.
	So if you say they're dead, I agree.
	That's why they're worse to be dead.
	There is no perfect victim.
	The people who die fighting in the world.
	There's no way for someone to be a victim perfectly enough for everyone.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, we're not saying that perfectly enough for everyone.
	I'm saying all of them are victims.
	All of them are enough.
	If someone has the potential, that's creating the idea of the perfect victim that this person can get over it.
	Can.
	Just because there's a possibility doesn't mean they're not suffering.
	But I'm not even disagreeing with you.
	Even more so than the people who die.
	Hang on, let me reconcile these positions.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	I'm just going to grant that there's no perfect victim.
	Whatever that means, I think my understanding is there's no perfect definition that'll fit everybody's mold of what a victim is.
	But you and I can agree that if your brother gets blown up in front of you and you see that, you're both victims, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, so our dispute isn't over whether you're both victims.
	We've already agreed.
	So we're not saying they're perfect, imperfect, but we're agreeing that they're victims.
	You're the victim and your brother's the victim.
	We're just trying to determine which one of you is more of a victim.
	But that's what I mean by the perfect victim.
	No, I don't think so.
	Because if the potential exists for you to recover, but the potential's gone for him to ever recover.
	The potential for them to suffer is over, but the potential for me to keep suffering is still there.
	That's true, but the potential also exists for you to recover.
	So either way, it's like the potential.
	It's either way.
	All potential is gone from him.
	No, I mean the person who's living has the potential to suffer or the potential to recover, but it's not guaranteed.
	That's why I mean there's no perfect victim.
	The person dies, their suffering ends.
	But the person who keeps living, you can't guarantee that they can live the rest of their lives being okay.
	They're not even knowing that their families.
	This is bizarre to me.
	I want to make sure I get this right.
	When you say there's no such thing as a perfect victim, you're saying that what you're actually saying, now I think I get it.
	Yeah.
	That you cannot ascertain this person has been more victimized than this person.
	That's what that means?
	I cannot wholeheartedly sit here and say that one person, men or women, suffer more in war.
	Everyone.
	Everyone.
	The people fighting, people on the opposing side, people on whatever side you're on, there are victims in both sides who necessarily don't agree.
	Okay.
	Okay, so hang on.
	You're in a convenience store, okay?
	And a robber walks in, okay?
	And he steals a Snickers bar from the clerk, and then he walks over and beats you half to death and SAs you.
	Okay.
	Who was more victimized?
	Me.
	So then we can ascertain that there can be levels of victimization.
	There can be levels of victimization.
	So then when you say a perfect victim.
	Why does that happen to be a victim?
	Because when you say a perfect victim, and I say this means we can't judge who's more victimized than another, you said yes, but we clearly can.
	To me?
	To me?
	Yeah, to you.
	I would feel like a big fucking victim.
	The other guy probably also could be stuck with trauma from watching me go.
	Do you think that most rational agents would think?
	No, he didn't have to see it.
	He didn't watch it.
	He just had a Snickers bar stolen from him.
	That's it.
	He didn't see anything that happened to you.
	Which one of you is more of a victim?
	Everyone's a victim, not the guy who's not.
	You can't ascertain that the guy who lost a Snickers bar has been less victimized than the woman who's been half beaten to death and SA'd?
	Really?
	You're exactly getting back to my point of the perfect victim.
	Yes, I know.
	That's why I'm asking you this question.
	I just need you to say, nope, they're equally victimized.
	He is a victim of death or theft.
	I'm a victim of my bodily autonomy being disregarded.
	So I just want to let you know the entailment of this.
	Just so you know, if I go stand outside an SA clinic and they go, and some gal and I get in a conversation, she says, I was horribly SA'd by a man.
	I'm going to be like, oh yeah, that's just like when a guy broke into my house and stole a video game.
	Again, you're going to disregard what I'm saying, but again, you're going back to the topic of someone being a person.
	He's more perfect.
	Do you think that she would be like, what?
	Do you think she'd be like, that's in no way, shape, or form, whatever you think the victimhood of having your favorite video game stolen was in comparison to me being brutally SA'd?
	Don't you think that any rational agent would be like, no, I really don't think.
	I'm going to leave it at what everyone suffers for more.
	I can't pick men, women, there is no, everyone suffers.
	Okay, forget the war for a second.
	I'm just asking about the Snickers bar at this point.
	Is the guy who got a Snickers bar stolen from him as much of a victim as when, if he doesn't see any of this, the guy turns around, beats the holy tar out of a chicken SACER?
	Are they both equally victims in your mind?
	That doesn't touch on the topic of war.
	That's how we got on this topic, right?
	Yeah, because the reason I'm using this external analogy is because you said it's impossible to ascertain if somebody has been more victimized than another, because that's what you mean by perfect victim.
	Everyone takes in trauma differently.
	I can't say that that person who was stolen from isn't gonna logical for them to feel like the biggest perfect fucking victim?
	No, but I don't know what they've gone through in their previous life.
	Maybe theft is a big fucking trigger for them.
	There's something who fucking knows.
	There's you can't, you can't, that's not something would I feel victimized for being violated?
	Go ahead.
	Obviously, we don't agree.
	And that's fine.
	That's fine.
	You don't have to agree that everyone suffers in war.
	I'm going to stay on what I said: there's no perfect victim.
	If you don't want to agree with that, that's fine.
	Okay.
	I'll leave it there.
	One thing really quick, then I'm going to read a couple chats.
	Nick, can you pull up the thing?
	So when it comes to the Ukrainian other side, put us on the other side.
	Okay.
	So for the entirety of the Ukraine war, this is a recent, this is a modern conflict, men between the ages of 18 to 60 were barred, were banned from leaving the country, whereas all women could flee the country if they were so inclined.
	Knowing this about this specific conflict, that men were forced to stay.
	Gangs of military police would abduct men.
	Women could flee.
	They could go to Stockholm.
	They could go to London.
	They could move, you know, go west.
	You'd see these, there, there are these posts of while the Ukrainian men were dying, for example, the Ukrainian women were on Tinder getting fucked by men in London, Stockholm, etc., going to the club, partying, whatever.
	One, this occurs to me that it's actually a fantastic example of female privilege.
	And secondly, as it relates to this conversation of who's the primary victim of war, given that I've just showed you that the Ukrainian government allowed all the women, if they wanted to, to leave the country, all the men had to stay and fight.
	Well, not all of them had to fight, but all of them had to stay and potentially be subject to having to fight.
	Knowing this, at least when it comes to the Ukrainian conflict, can I get an answer to who's the primary victim of the Ukrainian war, men or women?
	Just in that sense.
	Into the men.
	Because there's more context to go off of.
	You're too far.
	You're too far.
	Can't create the perfect victim going off just that.
	So it's men.
	Men, because men had to stay behind.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would say the same thing as I said before.
	I think the men are dying.
	Especially because women were let go or whatever.
	However, sorry, I'm going to be tired.
	Yeah, they could flee.
	Like, obviously, the men.
	Yeah, it's the same things we've been saying about.
	I guess based off that specific scenario, the men, yeah.
	Yes, the men, which is why earlier, a couple hours ago, I said I would fight for men to also have the ability to choose.
	Yeah.
	I disagree with that.
	So men are the victim there, and I would support them not being the victim.
	Yeah, I would say men.
	I think that's the admirable, you know, dignified thing to do.
	Yeah, in that context, and men.
	Men.
	All right, two chats.
	We have Warlord to the Gypsy.
	Do you not believe in the wisdom of the crowd?
	Do you believe that I, as a man, will fight a war for any of these women on the panel or even you?
	I can walk all over a bear and crack if you attend.
	I think it's you.
	We're trying to figure out who the gypsy is.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Who is a gypsy?
	Masculine.
	Oh, is it not coming up?
	Maybe I didn't click it.
	Okay.
	Donated 100.
	Thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Hey, Pink, stand up and show off that in your mini skirt.
	Also, give the shape for the pen.
	Wow, okay.
	So, masculine, I would, but sadly, I'm not getting any of this $100.
	So, if we were doing a split seat, I don't mind doing a lot of money.
	You see that?
	Or if I could see you, we could do a little show for show.
	If you want to do a little bit of a good questions here, so I'm still really hung up on this.
	I got to ask you, okay?
	I have to, I have to.
	What?
	If we were like friends and we were having a heart-to-heart, okay, and you opened up about like an essay survivor story, and I said, Yeah, that's kind of like when I got my video game stolen from me.
	Would that in any way seem coherent to you?
	No, of course not.
	And I would like to say a little bit further: it's not that I'm not friendly.
	I actually have a lot of close male friends, and I will say that some of the men I've gotten the closest to have confided in me that they were sexually assaulted.
	Sure, sure, I feel like if they're talking to me about their in that context, it's it's quite rude to try to compare something like that.
	Yeah, but similar traumas, it's not so rude.
	So, no, it's not.
	If he talked to me about being sexually assaulted, I would feel completely compassionate and want to keep going there.
	But if he compared something so much lighter to that, I'd take a look at that.
	Doesn't this seem like there's a hierarchy here for some way that we can kind of determine who's been more victimized?
	I agree.
	We're different humans.
	I don't actually totally agree with everything that's been said.
	I do think there's degrees to victimization, totally.
	There's some things in life that are way worse than others.
	Like, that's not, I don't compare pain because, again, certain things to certain people can be like, again, like, let's just say someone was essayed as a kid, right?
	Some people do come out of that and change their life.
	Some people can't get over it.
	And the people that can't get over it and end up, you know, maybe turning to drugs and they die young or something like on accident, they're not weaker or a worse victim.
	I'm not comparing their pain and being like, why weren't they strong enough?
	And I, what?
	Like, I would never think that way.
	I feel compassion for them.
	Yeah, but there's got to be, but there's got to be these things.
	But the thing is, every human being, but we all have a different genetic makeup.
	We all have a different brain.
	So, something to me that could be really traumatic to someone else, like abortion, for example, my abortion, even though I'm pro-choice, it's not something I regret, but it's something I've deeply been sad about because I want to be a mom so bad.
	There's other women that have had abortions and don't think twice about it, and it doesn't feel traumatic to them, even though my abortion did feel like a trauma to me.
	So, it's just like we can't compare the way someone else reacts to something to the same way I do.
	Then I don't understand again.
	So, I've really got to have this concept explained a bit.
	Yeah, I'm trying to.
	Sorry.
	So, why then, if you cannot judge from your metric whether or not something seems to be a comparable trauma or not, if somebody did respond to you and said, oh, I was essayed too, you say, okay, that's appropriate, okay, to have that conversation.
	Yeah.
	But if their pain threshold to having their favorite video game stolen, somehow in their brain, they rationalize that as being equal trauma to what's happened to you, then how could you ever judge it was inappropriate for them to utilize that as a way of trying to have this combo with you?
	Doesn't that seem absurd?
	It does seem absurd, but the thing is, it would seem absurd to me in my mind in real time having that conversation with that person.
	But the way that I would react would be in my head to be like, instead of getting outwardly offended, I would probably be like, okay, this person and I are completely different people.
	I'm going to validate them because there's no point in being rude to them, but I'm going to know that they're not the person I feel like trusting about my trauma.
	Like, maybe they're not the person for me to confide in.
	That's ridiculous.
	I would.
	You're right.
	I would think that's ridiculous.
	I would think that's what I'm saying.
	I would say that.
	Because it's ridiculous, right?
	I think so, but that's what I'm saying: I'd think it's ridiculous and then think to myself, maybe this isn't the person I want to share my trauma with.
	I'm just going to kind of nod and you're like, all right, which I've been doing half this conversation.
	It's like, I'm like, okay, that's what they think.
	I respect you for thinking that.
	I know I think differently.
	But I'm just going to choose to be like, this isn't my space where I'm going to talk about my trauma.
	I don't feel comfortable here because they don't get it.
	And it's okay if they don't get it.
	I'm going to respect.
	They don't get it and be like, I'm just going to nod my head and agree and then go to my people that I do feel like get it.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm not going to shit on every single person for having a different opinion than me.
	I'm just going to be like, I just wanted to make sure.
	That's them.
	I wanted to make sure that you understood that.
	In my head, I can think that people are totally wrong.
	I just choose to be like, I don't, I literally haven't lived their life, so I don't know why they feel that way about video games.
	That's bizarre to me.
	It just means they're not my type of human to connect with.
	Like, there's someone else's type of human to connect with, and I can just be like, all right, dude.
	And then I can go turn to the people who get me and feel validated.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I'm not going to invalidate other people.
	I'm just going to choose to not spend my time in that space.
	Be on the show from now on when a woman has like a horrifying story.
	I'm going to be like, that's nothing.
	One time my favorite video game was stolen from me.
	Yeah, and that person would be like, wow, I don't, in the future, I don't want to talk to this guy anymore.
	He sounds like an idiot.
	You can think that to yourself and not because it sounds ridiculous.
	It does to me, too.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm not going to invalidate them.
	I'm going to move on and validate myself.
	So, okay, a couple more questions here, and then we have a bunch of pre-show notes.
	Yeah.
	So, do we need men?
	Yes.
	Starting with you, going around the table.
	Do I need a man?
	No.
	Does the world need him?
	The world needs a man to the mic.
	Humans, people in general.
	Do I personally need a man?
	No.
	Does the world need women, men alike?
	Yeah.
	So you don't need a man romantically, but you need men in the world.
	Me?
	No.
	Me personally.
	Are you asking me personally?
	Do I feel like I need a man at any point?
	But do you need men?
	Me?
	No.
	But if the world and society needs men, don't you too need men?
	As you are a.
	I am completely okay with going off-grid living on an island in peace.
	How would you get to the island?
	Build a boat.
	You would build the boat yourself?
	Yeah.
	Which island are you?
	There's the channel islands out here.
	You would go to those islands, or which island in particular?
	Wherever.
	Wherever my boat takes me.
	Would you take an airplane to get to the island?
	Probably not.
	Because I don't have a license to apply it.
	Just a question.
	So you would, so you'd build a boat.
	You'd build a boat.
	Where would you get the materials to build the boat?
	Like Home Depot?
	Chop down trees.
	You would chop down trees?
	Why not?
	With what tool?
	Chainsaw Queen.
	You can operate a chainsaw.
	You can make muscle.
	You can't operate that shit.
	That is a muscle.
	You can ride some stone down, sharpen it.
	You would make the axe yourself?
	I would do whatever I wanted.
	Can you just go buy it at Home Depot?
	No.
	So just to be clear, where would you get the metal from?
	Would you smelt the metal yourself, too?
	You don't necessarily need metal.
	To make.
	Okay.
	You can kill the wooden boat.
	No, no.
	I'm talking.
	Might not get very far because the wood will go.
	I'm sorry.
	So is metal not a component of axe?
	An axe?
	You don't necessarily need a metal axe.
	No.
	But you said you would get an axe.
	If I had to make one with the materials, it's available to me.
	You'd cut down a tree.
	Would you rather I gnaw at it?
	What do you mean?
	You just look.
	You're saying you don't need men and you would just go live on an island by yourself.
	But how would you get there?
	An island, a mountain, a cave.
	It doesn't.
	I'm not.
	Are you insinuating that women can't arrive at an island without a man's help?
	Why can't we get to an island without you?
	I don't understand that.
	Well, I mean, she's saying she would build a boat, so I'm exploring.
	Build a boat.
	Why can't a woman build a hut?
	Well, I'll actually take it further.
	So I would postulate that absent men and there was only women in society, society would be in free fall collapse within hours.
	Women do not and cannot, cannot.
	This is my claim, right?
	Even stronger than don't know how, but actually cannot maintain modern infrastructure.
	It's not even possible.
	Why?
	Why?
	I'm not even living in a mud-built hut.
	Yeah, I don't even think that they could do that easily.
	It's because of the way that our bone structures are set and then the way that we regulate our body temperature.
	So you would probably say, if you were to look at the scope of women who are in the workplace who make complaints a lot, a lot of times what they complain about is the temperature.
	They say, well, in a gendered scope, this isn't really fair because we tend to wear dresses and men tend to wear suits and this kind of thing, right?
	So we're always cold.
	But the truth is, is that even if they were in the same attire that you were in, they could still regulate the temperature of their bodies better.
	Men are less prone to take damage just on the work site, right?
	Building things, crafting things, are less likely to take damage because of their bone density.
	I do not think that you could juxtapos or in some way take women and then have them take over men's jobs collectively, even if you gave them the same knowledge that those men had and that they could actually physically accomplish those.
	Why can't I use my big, smart woman brain to build a robot to do the physical work for me that I can't do?
	That's what I'm saying.
	As long as I have the tools, my brain figure out any puzzle chemistry.
	I just need access to the tools.
	You're right.
	I should lift hundreds of pounds.
	I can have a robot that can lift hundreds of pounds because I'm smart enough to figure it out.
	It's just of all the lifting that occurs when it comes to construction or infrastructure, what percentage of that is done by robots?
	Well, so hang on.
	I don't know.
	I don't build things.
	So if I chose to get interested, I'd learn.
	Hang on a second.
	Let me get into this with you for just a second.
	You would agree that men right now don't like lifting heavy shit.
	No, that's why we built it.
	That's why wheels existed because we learned a tool.
	Hang on.
	Yeah.
	Why aren't they building then big, massive robots to do all this heavy lifting for them for things like roofing and things?
	Probably because it gives them job security.
	They would still have job security.
	Would they have job security if women were building the robots?
	Yeah.
	It's a matter of possibility.
	I mean, I haven't answered the question yet.
	I don't think that I think the world needs men and women.
	Obviously, we can't reproduce without sperm.
	I want to have a baby and I need a sperm donor to do so.
	Like, I'm not saying that I want a world eradicated of men.
	We're going to assume that you have enough sperm on ice to repopulate with women only for 200 years.
	Then, yeah, I don't think we need men.
	Yeah, then it wouldn't be sperm is off the table.
	I think that I respect the fact that a lot of women love men and want them in their life.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I just have one, then I just have one last follow-up on this and then I'll let it go.
	Yeah.
	What is a selenoid?
	I don't know.
	Hang on.
	A selenoid.
	What is a selenoid?
	What is a selenoid?
	What is a solenoid?
	Selenoid?
	What is a solenoid?
	Selenoid?
	I've heard my boyfriend say this, but I don't know.
	Okay, inside of your car there's a battery.
	What voltage is it?
	12.
	What?
	Sorry, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Bro.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know anyway.
	Okay.
	12.
	I don't know.
	I wouldn't have known anything.
	So, last thing, right?
	Can you just tell me the steps of changing a tire?
	Take off the lug nuts.
	With a torque wrench.
	A torque wrench.
	Okay.
	Take the lug nuts off.
	Get the tire off.
	Make sure your brake pads, everything is all good.
	Put the tire back on.
	Make sure you screw them all on.
	What she is.
	I don't know.
	I haven't changed tire.
	She forgot that you need to.
	Forget what she said, but just tell me what it is.
	So you have to raise the car up on whatever side the tire is on.
	And then take the bolts off, take the tire off, put the new tire on, put the bolts back on, and then lower it down.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
	I could watch it on YouTube and learn in five minutes if I didn't.
	I've done it.
	Yeah, I believe I trust you over.
	Hey, I've never pretended this whole time.
	I'd love for a guy to change my tire.
	In fact, I think they should know how.
	Do you know how to change the tire?
	I personally don't even have a car, so I wouldn't know.
	But I've seen it.
	Yeah.
	I'll read the owner's manual and do what it tells me to do, like I did when I had to do it.
	This last question, completely non-gendered.
	So you can't use the gendered norm expectation for it.
	Very simple question.
	How would you go about sharpening a knife?
	How would I go about sharpening a knife?
	Use the microphone?
	You find it's a specific kind of stone that you can rub against the knife to sharpen it.
	Okay.
	I don't know the specific sharpening.
	How would you go about sharpening a knife?
	I would buy a knife sharpener.
	That's what I was going to say.
	Just like assuming we have no tools.
	Or just like I have.
	How would you go about sharpening a knife?
	Yeah.
	I mean, you use like a whetstone.
	And then what do you do with it?
	You sharpen it with the green.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Either buy a knife sharpener or use a whetstone.
	How would you sharpen a knife on a whetstone?
	Walk me through it.
	Like, like, pretend that my fist is a stone and this is holding a knife.
	Keep doing that at an angle.
	At an angle.
	Yeah.
	I don't know the actual terminology.
	Do you know what angle?
	I can visually kind of figure out the angle from the cracking.
	So if you can visually off the top of my hand.
	You can visually think of it.
	So if I asked you to visually think of a 90-degree angle, can you give me a 90-degree angle with your hand?
	Yeah, 90-degree angles.
	Okay, so then you can visualize the angle.
	So what angle would you sharpen a knife at?
	Whatever angle showed me results.
	I'd keep trying until I figure it out.
	Sharpen a knife.
	Yeah, I'm going with the sharpener technology, dude.
	Sharpen a knife.
	I'll definitely use a sharpener.
	How?
	How would you sharpen it on a sharpener, a whetstone?
	Same as they said, at an angle.
	What angle?
	The side.
	I'd use the side first and then see which works.
	45-degree angle.
	Okay.
	And then did anybody miss a step with the whetstone?
	It's called a whetstone.
	I'm getting it.
	What it?
	Okay.
	And just, that's it.
	Those are the only questions that I had.
	Okay.
	So I just want to hop in and say that it's totally.
	Look, I've said from the beginning, I love men.
	Men and women are the yin and the yang.
	Yeah, but she was going to get an axe and build a boat and go to the bottom.
	I know she was having a castaway Tom Keats moment.
	Yes.
	But I think it's completely ignorant to act like without men, women would just completely fail as a society.
	So many, so many successful men acknowledge women and men, we have different strengths.
	I bring women into my business for this.
	They think in a way I don't.
	I think in a way they don't.
	You know, I had Dave Portnoy on my show.
	Funny enough, when he was in the, you mentioned your boyfriend with the Me Too thing at the height of his Me Too scandal when he was getting hit pieces on him, the whole thing.
	And he's like, Am I a misogynist?
	I brought in a female CEO.
	It was the best decision I ever made to run Barstool because she was the best at the job.
	You mean a media company?
	What is the difference?
	He has more power than that.
	I mean, it has nothing to do with survival or infrastructure.
	He's talking, it is infrastructure.
	He's talking about.
	Barstool Sports is an infrastructure company.
	He's talking, he said, if women were, if men were eradicated, civilization run by women would decline.
	We're not talking procreation.
	We're talking how things are run.
	Yeah.
	You're saying, are you.
	Are you women can keep a home running?
	They can't keep a community running.
	You keep a home running with electricity.
	No, I mean, you shake your head, but do you keep a home running with electricity?
	Not to moderate.
	Even on an emotional level, like, how many of you guys have experienced grandparents who have passed away when the grandmother passes away first and the men fall apart?
	They cannot survive.
	Like, men need women.
	It's a good thing to do.
	Yes, it does.
	If we're talking about survival.
	It's survival.
	No, no.
	Yes, the men would be sad if all the women disappeared.
	I don't know if they would be sad if they wouldn't even be able to save 50% of the time.
	He is saying if women are eradicated, I'm sorry, if men were eradicated, women would just totally, their civilization would just be able to.
	Yes, it would collapse.
	It would crumble.
	But the same is in reverse.
	No, no.
	It would suck for men.
	Men would be very upset.
	But because men occupy these positions of crit when it comes to critical infrastructure, yeah, it would be terrible for men too.
	Women and there would be problems.
	Huh?
	Women.
	Almost none in critical infrastructure jobs exist.
	So here.
	Maybe that's because the way the patriarchy is created by faults.
	I've actually truthed in what you're saying in that women may be naturally inclined to do other, be in other sectors of work than men, right?
	Whether it be science or tech or whatever, that may be more male, you know, male dominant, but that's just idiotic to act like roughly.
	Well, saying that it's idiotic, again.
	But it is.
	It doesn't, that's not an argument, though.
	An argument, so if you wanted to argue.
	You could also argue men are aggressive.
	They're naturally, you know, fighters.
	You could also argue they'd take each other all the fuck out.
	I don't think you could argue that because we could do it now and women couldn't stop it.
	Please do.
	I want to see a female roughneck.
	I mean, so you wouldn't disagree, right?
	That if men collectively decided to take each other and women out, there's not anything women could do about that, right?
	I disagree.
	I think women could stop that, yes.
	Doing what?
	What could they do if men decided to do that?
	I think generally, you know, I talk about the gender differences, right?
	Men are physical.
	Women, and men who are strong and competent men will admit women are verbal, we're manipulative, we're cunning in a different way, men's.
	But you're changing this scenario.
	So let me try.
	I'm not changing the scenario.
	Women would use their mindset decided to use it.
	Women would use their verbal ability, their manipulation, whatever it is to stop it.
	And let's say men ignored all that.
	What could women do about it?
	But that's predicated on, men would ignore all that.
	That's right.
	It's a hypothetical, which is predicated upon the conditional that they decided to do X thing.
	What could women do about it?
	Run away?
	Like, that's pretty much it.
	I mean, we could think we might build together and then fight back.
	Like, I don't.
	We could build a woman army.
	All we need is the technology.
	We don't need the bronze.
	We just need the tools, Queen.
	Like, we could all join together and have our own guns.
	And I get met and protect my home and my family in many ways.
	I'm the daily influence by women and what women think, how they dress, how they act.
	So you're telling me if women are saying a certain thing, they're just going to be like, bar bitch, and ignore them, except for maybe some of the comments.
	The dudes who watch my show by the way.
	Do you agree right this second that there is a huge swath of planet earth where men not only dismiss what women say, but say, shut the fuck up and put on this hat or else.
	Do you agree or disagree with that?
	Say that again.
	That there's a large swath of this planet we currently live in and cultures where they go, shut the fuck up.
	I don't care about your opinion.
	Now put on this little hat or else.
	Of course.
	And how is that working out for them?
	Is it fine?
	Yeah, well, you think they're asking you to do that.
	What I'm asking you isn't what I'm asking you is: if men collectively, which they right this second do, not in hypothetical land, right this second, they go, all of you are second-class citizens, like they do right now in large swaths of planet Earth.
	What can women do about that?
	Get rid of as many of them as you can before they get together.
	Let her answer.
	Okay.
	What can women do about that if men collect?
	How do you want us to say that we can't do anything and like want them?
	I just want an argument.
	They can fight however the fuck, kick, scream, tear, whatever the fuck.
	Don't.
	Well, I don't understand.
	Why are the women over there doing that then?
	Fight, kicking, and tearing.
	We fight back and we get murdered.
	Right.
	So because this conceptualization that you have is on what's called force doctrine or force equalization.
	And there's no such thing.
	It's an illusion which is created in modernity.
	And women have forgotten force doctrine.
	I think they haven't.
	But most women have forgotten force doctrine and that men have a monopoly on force.
	And collectively, if men decide that women have no rights, they don't.
	And you agree that's right.
	I didn't say I was right.
	I didn't say it's right.
	Hold on, hold on.
	When did I make the case it was right?
	When did I make the case it was right?
	When you ever decided that men were superior to women.
	Stop.
	He's just saying that we should.
	I need you to engage with what I'm saying.
	It's terrifying, but it's true.
	He's right that it would be.
	Did I say that it should be that way?
	Why are you defending it?
	Did I say it should be that way?
	Answer my question.
	Yes, you believe in the patriarchy.
	Did I say that that means that women have to be second class?
	Did I say any of that?
	No, you just made all of that up.
	What I said is this specifically.
	If men is, not ought, two different things, is true versus ought should.
	Not saying should happen.
	I'm asking the question: is it true that if men collectively say tomorrow women have no more rights that they don't?
	Is it true or isn't it?
	Unfortunately.
	It's not true.
	Okay, so then what could women actually do about it?
	What I just said.
	Then how come in the nations where that is descriptively true now, they don't and can't?
	It's not that.
	Exactly.
	They absolutely could.
	They're out there.
	They protest.
	Because of what men could do to them.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Because of force.
	Who, by the way, are the ones caught and brought the people in the middle of it, but women have to be dressed.
	But you're making my point because of force doctrine.
	So they're terrified.
	One Persian army is.
	They're terrified due to force doctrine.
	They're terrified that men can use overwhelming force to hurt them if they don't comply, right?
	I, again, have never pretended like men aren't bigger and stronger by law.
	But this is my whole point.
	Like, science conversation.
	So that I don't know what you're arguing, that if men collectively decided then that they did want to take all rights from women, that women really couldn't do much about that.
	Well, why do you want us to take a look at the right thing?
	They can take their rights away, but that's what I'm not going to say.
	I'll explain.
	Yeah, I'm just kidding.
	Okay, so I think that the best state for a human being to be in is absent the state of delusion.
	Absent the state of delusion.
	And so when I hear people say things which clearly make no sense and are delusional, right, I will usually walk them through a thought exercise so that they can determine this core thing that I believe is built on a house of cards and it's bullshit.
	This is how you change people's minds and how you change their worldview.
	By attacking the pillars in which their false beliefs are built.
	In this case, tons and tons of women in modernity do not want to acknowledge the difference in force doctrine, instead banking towards things that they don't even understand, like basic technology, solenoids, car vault battery.
	I mean, this is like really basic stuff.
	And most women in modernity don't know it because they don't have to know it.
	But even were we to take all of the collective information of men somehow and transfer it into the brains of women, now they know everything men know, right?
	To the letter, everything that men know.
	If men collectively, due to force doctrine, still decided that women would be second class to men, I still don't really know what women could do about that.
	I kind of do, but I want you to talk to me.
	I just guess we won't know until if that were to potentially happen.
	But it's happening now.
	No, I know, but I'm saying in America, if we're talking about America specifically.
	Yeah, but I mean, if this were, but I know that you're saying it's already happening.
	It's already happened.
	And I know it's an army fight.
	No, I know, but that's what we're saying is that's the only option is to fight back or die.
	Like, so it's confusing.
	I'm just wondering what's your point?
	Because I agree with you that if men decided right now, then yeah, I would have no unless we all rose up.
	But even in that, even in that.
	I don't know.
	But what's the point?
	Like, why do you want women to authenticate or validate that?
	Well, I want to make sure that we're not living in a state of delusion where what's going on is that men are being taken for granted because women are living under a false belief that they can do what men can do.
	This is just one example of many where it's very clear that they cannot.
	And it's also a great example of the benevolence of men towards women, considering that they can do this, acknowledged by you, but don't.
	I will validate.
	I totally agree that there are things in society that men, and I said this, again, traditional gender norms.
	There are things I love.
	There are things I love about newer standards, whatever it is, the fusion of both.
	Great.
	That's why I love, like I said, if I'm walking down the street, I love when my boyfriend is chivalry, right?
	He's protecting me, so a car doesn't hit me.
	If someone breaks into my apartment, you bet your ass I'm going to want him there.
	Again, I'm not going to pretend to fight off some bear, right?
	Whatever it is.
	But at the same time, my hope and what I advocate for is for men.
	You say I don't want them to feel taken advantage of or shit on, right, for lack of a better word.
	I agree.
	However, I think that we really need to instill in men, and I feel like this is something everybody on this panel can and should agree on, to be good men, to be respectful, respect themselves, respect women, be strong and have dignity.
	Bill Maher just did a great segment on this.
	That's the core of my argument.
	Bill Maher just did a great segment on this, right?
	Where he's more jokey, but he's like, dudes, like get out of your mom's basement.
	It's like, stop jerking off.
	So this is what I'm respecting.
	I don't care what dumb liberal Bill Maher said, but I'm going to go right against your argument because you got to the core of it.
	Now we're right at the core of the issue, right?
	My argument is saying men are already good and they're already benevolent.
	How do you explain the government?
	Stop, stop.
	Let me finish my argument, then respond.
	Just like you said.
	That's fair.
	That's firm.
	My argument is they're already good and they're already benevolent because they already can do this and they don't.
	They don't do it and they can, but they don't.
	So why don't they?
	Because it seems like we are on the same stage.
	Don't do it for a specific reason.
	And this is because men value ontologically human life, male and female.
	They value both sets of it.
	They also value the feelings of children.
	They value the feelings of women.
	They value the feelings of other men.
	They're not evil, in other words.
	They're not ontologically evil.
	And they don't believe women are ontologically evil.
	That's why they generally speaking, even in these societies, which you would consider megala oppressive when you talk to a lot of the women who are in those societies, they don't think that they're oppressed.
	Well, they're brainwashed, but that's a different sort of thing.
	Well, but they would argue the opposite.
	I'd say whatever conversations with somebody.
	You're fucking brainwashed, right?
	This is great.
	I don't have to do shit.
	They exactly.
	So then the question becomes: if they're not doing this, right?
	If they're not doing this and they're not, and they're not oppressing you and they're not, but they could, doesn't that already lead you to believe that there's a benevolence in the patriarchy?
	Because if the roles were reversed, right?
	I'm not confident that women wouldn't say we make the better choices, so you're all fucking second-class citizens.
	I'm not confident of that at all.
	But we're generalizing here, right?
	Like there are good women, bad women, good men, bad men.
	And I think, you know, while I empathize with men, like I've said on this panel, like men have gotten shit on, so it's no wonder they're like, well, what the fuck?
	Like, I don't know what to do.
	You know what I mean?
	At the same time, it is like, dudes, like, well, don't buy into that.
	Step up.
	Step up and be a guy.
	Like, at the end of the day, a lot of men aren't dating, having sex, going to college, being in the workforce.
	Yeah, they don't want to be fucking degenerates.
	I know.
	It's terrible.
	Those bastards.
	I will do one thing.
	We'll go back to the whole like, what if all men disappeared thing?
	Nick, pull up a video real quick.
	Then somebody sent me in something that I want to read, and then we'll move on to the next topic.
	Go ahead.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Is it full screen?
	No, that's not what I just can you bring it back to normal, please.
	Yeah.
	Okay, is there 1080p?
	Can you check if it's 1080?
	Okay.
	No, it's just right there.
	Yeah, it's seven-choice status.
	Okay, go ahead.
	So this is a man who is working on electrical lines.
	It might not even necessarily be electrical lines.
	It could be some sort of other utility lines.
	Women don't do these jobs.
	Women don't do these kind of jobs.
	They can.
	They have two arms, two legs.
	Well, a brain.
	It's possible, but they choose not to do it.
	So the current, like this kind of job, we can look at other sort of utility jobs, other sort of infrastructure jobs.
	They don't, but if we had to.
	I was just thinking about that.
	But here's the thing.
	Right, if you guys had years, and Andrew actually even disagrees with this, but I'll just grant, even if you had years and years to, you know, put enough women into these positions, you could learn how to do it, et cetera.
	But the thing is, if in a scenario where snap, it wasn't expected, all men disappeared, yes, in that scenario.
	Is that really the word?
	Oh my God, we don't have power.
	This is the degree.
	Do you realize how important electricity is?
	Yes, it's not like people didn't live before electricity.
	People were adapted.
	People were adapted and acclimated to living without electricity.
	Do you think people with their pampered asses and modern comforts and conveniences will be able to adapt?
	But that's just one component of it.
	The electric grid grows out.
	That's probably one of the most massive things.
	But somebody actually, a viewer sent me this.
	It is a bit long-winded, but I'll just read it.
	I'm hoping you guys can pay attention to it.
	He actually describes a scenario day one, day two, day three, and I believe it ends there.
	It is a bit lengthy.
	I'm going to read it.
	So at midnight, UTC, all men in the world disappear.
	Now, the absolute certainty that they're just gone.
	Actually, hold on.
	Yes, all men in the world disappear.
	A certain sense of celebration breaks out in Western cities as women celebrate the world without men.
	Bras are thrown to the sky in liberation.
	Hair is let down.
	But it doesn't last long.
	Within about half a day, the power grid fails from lack of proper operation.
	94% of operators are men.
	Thermal plants shut down without being fueled, causing cascading blackouts as protection devices disconnect sections of the network.
	By night, there's no electricity unless you have your own generator.
	Day two, come next dawn, everyone has realized that no one will be supplying shops.
	84% of truck drivers are men.
	Panic looting begins.
	With next to no law enforcement, 83% of police officers are men.
	There isn't even an attempt to impose order.
	And much violence takes place at this stage as women fight over vital goods.
	By that night, backup systems have failed and all utilities shut down completely.
	No water, no electricity, no gas, no telecommunications.
	Women will resort to lighting candles and building makeshift open pit fires for heating and cooking, leading inevitably to building blazes, which in the absence of almost all firefighters, 89% of which are men, they spread much further than they otherwise would.
	Day three, the sun rises on an apocalyptic, apop, oh my god, I can't pronounce this word, apocalyptic scenario.
	Fires that had started the previous evening are still raging across cities worldwide.
	The stink of smoke is compounded by rotting garbage and human waste, which in the absence of water pressure has been often just dumped outside of buildings.
	Millions of women by this point have already died at this point the entity that had begun the experiment.
	Oh, hold on.
	There's more Hold on.
	No, that's pretty much it.
	So is everyone just assuming that there is no, once all these men are gone, right?
	Electrical grid, blah, blah, blah.
	There's no one woman in the world where if all these women came together, there isn't one woman who may know how to work the fucking electrical grid.
	Or there's one woman who could build a website.
	There are women.
	There's going to be hundreds of them.
	Okay.
	But there's not.
	They can teach the people.
	But we need you.
	But I'm going to give you a visual representation.
	So let us assume for a second that the amount of women who would be available to run these jobs using this piece of popcorn.
	Okay.
	You ready?
	That's how many.
	One's better than none.
	Okay.
	Here's what it would look like with men who would be available.
	Okay?
	Mm-hmm.
	Now, do you see the distinction there?
	Do you see visually?
	The distinction in how few you have versus how many are on the opposite side.
	But you're...
	I'm just talking about physically capable.
	No, no, that's fine.
	But you're arguing that it's impossible for us to survive without men.
	Yes.
	But if that one person can teach everyone else.
	Teach everybody else to do what?
	I'm talking about.
	Teach everybody else anything.
	I'm sorry.
	Do what they know.
	Like, why?
	So you understand why.
	This is arbitrary women can make sense of it.
	Just let me finish.
	And I'll explain it.
	You have to stop talking, though.
	Brain the size of that.
	So this right here, right, this representation, this is representing women who are physically capable of doing that job.
	That doesn't represent knowledge.
	That represents physical capability.
	Meaning, the potential that if you're trained by another woman who does know, that you would even physically be able to do the job.
	That's what that represents.
	Now, how can we demonstrate that?
	Is it impossible, though?
	How can, yes.
	It's actually impossible.
	Yes.
	It would be impossible for the current.
	That's your opinion.
	Nope.
	I can demonstrate it.
	I mean, I am, but here's why it would be impossible.
	If that is the representation, this tiny representation of women who would even be physically capable of doing a job like we just saw, okay?
	Then even if you had a woman who knew how to do all those jobs, who taught all the women who wanted to do those jobs, that job, there wouldn't be enough who were physically capable to keep the infrastructure going.
	With men, that would not be a problem.
	Well, with all that amount of men gone, it's less space you really need.
	So how much of it do you really need to keep going?
	Do you think that if we cut the population of the United States in half to 150 million, that you still wouldn't need massive interstate infrastructure, the same that we have right now?
	Because we had 150 million people only about, I think, 60 years ago.
	So we've only gotten to 330 million due to mass migration to the tune of about a million a year.
	Yeah, is there something you want to add?
	Yeah.
	I live off the grid, right?
	I live off the grid, and I would be so screwed without my boyfriend.
	He hauls my water.
	I can't drive his diesel truck.
	I'd be screwed.
	I can't.
	And it's just a small example of just my, like, my homestead.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	He knows how to do everything.
	Everything.
	He's taught me how to sit at my battery bank, but I couldn't do that without him.
	He just has more information in his brain that he has come to learn because he was a mechanic, and that's just practical information that I know.
	No, no, not for me.
	Okay.
	For his livelihood.
	No, I don't.
	Or for me, for you, but for you, you're learning from a man.
	You're choosing to learn from your boyfriend.
	And that's what's teaching me because he's coming.
	If you think that the rest of us are stupid or incapable, I never said I think you guys are stupid up or so little that we or minuscule in our values that we cannot live a day without a man.
	That's insane.
	I don't think you could live a week without a man.
	Like all of the men in the world.
	Yeah.
	That'd be really impressive if you guys lasted a week.
	By the way, I'm supposed to need each other.
	We can just look at each other.
	Yes, but I personally don't need, like, I'm a lesbian.
	I don't want it.
	I'm not talking about that.
	No, I know you're not.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	I totally get that.
	Like, but I think in general, we do need each other.
	And that's the whole point: we do.
	And that's okay.
	But I don't think that we're going to die without them.
	But I do understand.
	That's, again, that's how I feel and would hope they would be.
	But I don't know how it would be in real life.
	But the point is, no, but I don't think we're useless.
	And that's the thing.
	I don't think that either.
	No, no, I don't think you're both.
	Both things are true.
	It's like you're acting like women are totally incapable, incompetent, and are men useless.
	And are hard to do.
	I know what you're saying physically.
	Of course.
	Like we hold our own value without women.
	Three new ones, pull them up.
	So just really quick, who here drives a car?
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Who here lives in a building that has more than two floors?
	Okay.
	Anybody ever been?
	Anybody ever been in a tall apartment building or lived in a tall apartment building?
	Okay.
	So just a couple of examples here, really quick, a few videos, then I'm going to move it on.
	Promise.
	Nick, pull up the first one.
	You all drive cars which rely on oil.
	Mute it.
	Mute it.
	Okay.
	I mean, so men are willing to take this job living on an oil platform so that you have oil so you can go drive to your porn chute.
	Okay.
	I'm sure there's some women who would love to go on that if they have the opportunity.
	They do ornament that back watching it all, by the way.
	They do now, but here's the thing.
	Like, I can, like, my friend who's a car mechanic, for example, right?
	So, she did go to school to be a mechanic because she really is interested in cars.
	It just happens to be what she likes.
	First of all, we have to take in consideration that 50 years ago, she couldn't have even done that.
	But, second of all, now that she does have the opportunity, the whole time she was in school, she, I mean, she is a girl who's very feminine, so she has the nails and the hair.
	She likes that's what she likes as well.
	So, like, immediately from the get-go, she was the only woman in her class.
	And the men talk shit on her the whole time to the point that she felt so uncomfortable going to class that she chose a different career.
	Also, talk shit towards other men.
	That is true.
	Like, that's how men communicate.
	So, I do, I'm going to move it on.
	I'm sorry.
	You mentioned roughnecks.
	You mentioned roughnecks next to one, Nick.
	Also, it comes to the oil that you guys need to run your cars.
	So, can you do a manly thing?
	Can you, 10 seconds forward?
	There's like a little thing.
	No, no, no.
	There's a thing you can just click next.
	Hold on.
	I think it starts one more.
	Oh.
	So, I don't know the man-woman breakdown when it comes to roughnecks who are, you know, working on an oil derrick, whatever.
	Zero.
	It's mostly women.
	It's a dangerous job.
	They get tons of injuries and it's extremely physically laborious.
	Last one.
	Now, this is to those of you who've been in a tall building or have lived in a tall building.
	This is iron workers, which is like 99% men.
	Mute it.
	All right.
	But again, how women differ from men being naturally inclined to do physical right, but women aren't willing, like, women don't do these jobs.
	Also, I mean, with like those oil jobs specifically, I will say, like, the dudes on those rigs get paid like really, really well.
	Like, they, a lot of them, of course, they should.
	I agree.
	Like, I 100% agree.
	They should be paid very well.
	It's a very difficult thing.
	So, is that why the wage gap exists?
	Because no, I wasn't going to see anything about the wage gap.
	I'm just saying, like, a lot.
	Like, my one friend has a friend that works in like construction and all that stuff.
	And, like, he chooses the job he has.
	He hates it, honestly, but he makes a lot of money doing it.
	That's why he teaches it.
	Men tend to prioritize more of a work-life balance.
	And women, I actually think women are smart for this.
	You will, instead of going to fucking North Dakota with a population of a thousand people and like in the super cold working a physically laborious and dangerous job, women will prioritize their own well-being and work-life balance.
	Men are much more likely to relocate.
	They're much more likely, if they do relocate, much more likely to relocate to less desirable climates, less desirable geographies.
	And I mean, there's plenty of reasons to do that.
	I mean, you look at it like a primal level, Brian, right?
	Like, even little boys are drawn to like trucks and like action figures, whereas little girls, you know, dolls and whatever, dress up, right?
	So, again, I'm not negating that natural tendency, but at the same time, don't diminish what women can figure out and can do.
	Do you guys know who Riley Gaines is?
	Yeah, I'm making she's an NCAA.
	Yeah, so I had her on my show.
	She's an NCAA champion.
	I don't know why this bugs Brian so much because I'm making a point, but she competed with a biological man.
	So she swims.
	That's right.
	At a highly competitive athlete.
	Just hang on.
	Just don't be a dick.
	Hang on.
	What does this have to do with the job?
	Because I'm talking about the physical, how demanding a physical task is, right?
	She's an athlete who trained her ass off, competed against a biological man because it's all dreams, whatever, which is why I don't actually.
	And tied.
	To the regarded feminist, Queen Elizabeth was an auto mechanic.
	The problem is, in the most egalitarian societies, women do not choose to do these jobs.
	It's biological, not societal.
	Woman would vanish.
	This guy can't even spell woman right.
	Yeah, you can't say woman, right?
	I just did one speech.
	Okay, so just look.
	I do have to move it on, but you can.
	What's your Riley Gaines thing?
	What's the Riley Gaines thing?
	So I was explaining it.
	Is a woman, highly competitive athlete swimmer, right, dedicated her life to it.
	Competed against a biological man, Leah Thomas, in the NCAA championship.
	Okay.
	And beat her, for all intents and purposes by a fraction of a second.
	Competing against a biological man who's, what, 6'3?
	There was a tennis match for that moment.
	My point is, women can step up to the task.
	I'm just saying, don't diminish what women are capable of.
	A professional soccer team that got beat by a bunch of high school.
	Woman is athletically gifted.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm acting like all women are dandelion fucking.
	Wait, wait, okay, fine.
	I'll engage with the Riley Gaines thing.
	If Riley Gaines was swimming in the open division, which is the men's division, do you think she would have beat any of them?
	I think she would give a lot of them a run for their money.
	The point is, she competed with a biological man.
	He was one of the worst male social media.
	That's true, Leah Thomas.
	This is why I don't, this is why I want biological men out of women's sports.
	You're talking about how demanding something is physically.
	You're showing all these men doing drills and shit.
	And I'm actually acknowledging your point of how men are naturally inclined.
	Like I said, little boys of trucks are naturally inclined to these types of things.
	And I said, at the same time, exactly.
	So I'm saying at the same time, don't diminish that all women aren't physically capable or whatever.
	You're showing all my family.
	But I need you to understand.
	As if we're all like school teachers and doesn't mean that they inherently can't.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Let me explain where the straw man is.
	Where you're getting the argument that at least I'm making incorrect.
	I'm not diminishing that there's not some women who can do all of these jobs.
	All of them.
	They're more talented than many of the men who are in the field.
	Not diminishing that at all.
	I'm talking about a pool potential.
	So here's what this means.
	It means you and I agree that men are stronger than women, right?
	On average.
	Okay, so that means that weaker men than strong men, weaker women than strong women.
	If we took the pool potential, weaker men are still going to be stronger than weaker women, right?
	Weak men still stronger than weak women, right?
	Yes.
	So if that is true, yes, it has to be true.
	I've seen some scrawny-ass menu.
	It has to be true.
	If the scale is men on average are stronger than women, then if you have weaker men, then on average, they should scalably be stronger than weaker women.
	So if that is true, then what we have is we have a small pool, a smaller pool of women who would be actually physically able to do these jobs versus the pool of men.
	That's why it collapses.
	Not because I'm making fun of your capabilities and women can't think and blah, blah, blah, blah.
	I'm telling you specifically.
	You kind of are.
	I'm telling you specifically, my logical argument is just simply that if the pool is so small that you cannot field enough people with enough strength to do the jobs, they're not going to get done.
	Because they physically can't.
	That's why.
	I got to move it on.
	I do have to move it on.
	I do want an answer at least to the original question.
	Do you think we need men?
	No.
	Still?
	Okay, well.
	I mean, I still feel the same.
	Like, I purchased.
	Just short answers if you can.
	Okay, then let's just go with no for yes, for the larger.
	I don't know.
	I really don't.
	I feel confused about this.
	I think every person should be valued equally, so yes.
	I don't think we need men, but I want them around for, I want everyone around who wants to be around.
	But do I have a desire to build a car?
	I don't have personally that desire.
	However, if I was put in a situation where I had no choice, I feel 100% confident I could learn and figure it out on my own.
	So the answer is you don't.
	My answer is I don't need them, but I'd like to live in a world with diversity and I'd like people that are different than me to exist and learn from them, but I don't need them to survive.
	Okay.
	Do you need to make men great again, though?
	Okay.
	Do you think we need men?
	Yeah, I think they serve some purposes.
	Yes, we need men.
	It's interesting.
	Like, I would just immediately say, yes, we need women.
	But we're stupid.
	No, I can't do what you can do.
	That's a straw man.
	Their brains are breaking.
	That's a solid straw man in the world.
	I think we need men, though.
	That's what I mean.
	Like, it's hard for me because in my personal life.
	I know that you're talking about ideas.
	You can even ask me, like, if I like women, if I think women are great.
	My immediate answer is yes.
	But for women, but the way you guys talk, it's like women are great to make me a sandwich.
	That's not even what I'm saying.
	He's nodding.
	It's giving like Andrew Tate, Harrison, Budger.
	What's wrong with that?
	I can make a meme sound.
	You know what I'm saying?
	What's the problem?
	You don't know what I'm saying.
	That's crazy.
	It's just crazy.
	Wait, Brian, what do you think?
	What do you think?
	About what?
	Well, what you were just saying.
	You're like, no one asked me, like, what's great about women?
	Do we need women?
	Like, do men need women?
	Well, if you just ask me the question, do we need women?
	Yes.
	Yeah, of course.
	Do we need to wait?
	But you guys are like, no, don't need men.
	To procreate.
	Hey, I didn't.
	I said we need men.
	That's the only reason you can think of that.
	That's all we're good for?
	You mean the highest?
	Did I say that?
	Do you know what a straw man is?
	If we're not good enough to do anything else that a man can do, right?
	If we can't do anything that a man can do, all we're here for is to be a baby maker for you?
	I didn't even say that.
	We have that in our house.
	Why do you think we need women?
	What do you need to survive with women besides?
	Well, here's the thing.
	I mean, my position, well, I mean, procreation.
	Right.
	That aside, because you said it wasn't part of my idea.
	Is it wrong for me to want to propagate the species?
	Hello?
	No, that's why I said I need men for a sperm.
	If we're taking reproductive out of it, just like if a society could function without women, do you think you need women to function as a society?
	And why?
	What if women contribute to information?
	Because I think that boys and girls both need their mother.
	And that there's an ontology which exists for women, their state of being, the feminine and the masculine are both required to formulate good human beings.
	That's fine.
	I do not believe that you are going to have a society of good human beings unless you have the masculine and the feminine.
	I don't believe it.
	Right?
	So that's why I think you need both.
	And I think that the further you get away from the idea of the feminine in women and the masculine in men, the more fucked up people seem to get.
	So that's why I think we need women absent reproduction.
	But to answer to your reproduction argument, if all it was was reproduction and that was the highest value of women, what the fuck would be wrong with that?
	Being a mother and a caretaker not hand in hand with reproduction?
	Well, no.
	You can be a caretaker, not reproduce at all.
	What are you talking about?
	You said boys and girls need their mothers.
	I got the movie.
	Yeah, but I'm sorry.
	Can you adopt?
	Yeah, sure.
	Would you be a mother?
	Well, no, you asked if they're necessary conditions to each other.
	They're not.
	You can be a caretaker for children and not have reproduce those children.
	So if that is true, you still need the masculine, the feminine.
	I think that that's a requirement.
	But I still think also, to address your argument of reproduction, do you think I'm just a baby factory?
	That's like the highest value that men have for women and that women usually have for other women.
	It's gone away in society, but it used to be glorified motherhood.
	Matrons in society who gave birth used to be glorified, not looked at by other women as, ah, sweetheart, you really could have been a scientist.
	So, let me ask you this.
	If our smartest women, if you want to waste them in factories and you want to waste them in fucking, in cubicles, and you want to waste them working, why wouldn't you want the smartest women in society to be having children who are really fucking smart?
	Exactly.
	Why can't they smoke?
	Because, I'll tell you why.
	Because in order to hit this status, the elite status for women, they have to go to college.
	In order to do that, they waste the entirety of their 20s.
	They're not getting married until 30, so they have one fucking kid, if they have any.
	That's why you have a reproduction crisis.
	So if they're not starting early, they're not having very many children.
	So as we have run this experiment, here's what we found.
	They're not.
	They're not having them.
	So no, they can't do both because you can only draw attention.
	You can only draw attention so far, right?
	You're not, you're not the, look, no offense.
	Yeah.
	You're not a fucking top-level scientist.
	You're a porn star.
	Yes, you can do both, but when you're talking about the best and the brightest...
	Do you think I hold any value as a player?
	You think the best, what I'm saying is that the best and brightest inside of society who are females, yes, I want them reproducing the best and brightest children.
	Do you think just because I'm a porn star, I can't do other things?
	There are girls.
	What does that have to do with anything that I just say?
	You just said, no offense, you're a porn star.
	Yeah, so.
	Does that mean I'm not, I don't have the brains?
	I'm not ever.
	Okay, so I'm just going to do anything.
	I'm going to be totally.
	I'm going to be totally honest with you.
	I really, really, really do not associate I do porn with high IQ, not gonna lie.
	And that's your half personal wrong opinion.
	I really like the jeans list and all that.
	Society's boxes that are in your head.
	It's sad.
	That's your only personal prejudice against women who embrace themselves.
	No, what does that do with women?
	What is that?
	I said porn star.
	Dania Trump.
	Hang on, Ann.
	Did I say women or did I say corn star?
	Am I not a woman?
	And are men not corn stars?
	Yeah.
	Okay, then what is that?
	I said I don't associate high IQ with corn stars.
	You said, listen, you don't like women.
	You think they have low IQs.
	You guys can think of all corn stars.
	I think all corn stars, male and female, I would associate with having low IQs.
	I would associate narcissistic bigots with having low IQs, personally.
	So then you should stop being a narcissistic bigot.
	That's not me.
	Are you sure?
	Positive.
	I don't know.
	You seem, you've gone.
	Your audience is kind of biased, so we definitely can't ask them.
	But I'm pretty sure if we asked the majority of everyone else, they would probably agree.
	That I'm narcissistic for giving you facts?
	No, that you're narcissistic for sitting here and trying to tear people down and gaslight them into.
	Fumbling and fucking up their answer to hope you get the reaction you want out of them.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I thought you were super high IQ.
	Shouldn't people not be able to do that to your super high IQ self?
	You're not.
	I don't know.
	You've been fumbling the entire night.
	I really haven't.
	You really have.
	You literally told the entire audience that a person stealing a Snickers bar potentially could have the same trauma as an SA victim.
	And you think I don't have to.
	I did not say the same trauma.
	I said that.
	I did not perceive how that person, how that trauma affects that person.
	Moving on.
	Yeah, let's move it on.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Let's move it on.
	Let's move it on.
	All right.
	All right, we have two chats.
	Then we're going to get into, okay, Robert Tanner, think of all the human suffering caused by the sad truth that beautiful, sexy women or handsome, poor shoning men often prove to have miserable genes for other traits.
	Okay, Robert Tanner, thank you for that.
	That's an interesting one.
	Quite the take there.
	Thank you, Robert Tanner.
	We have Lola Paladins.
	Thank you, man.
	The woke mind virus does think that procreation is bad, that there are too many humans.
	The extremists want World War III and okay.
	The plus is okay.
	The moderates just want us to die off over time.
	Okay, all right.
	Here, next question here.
	Next question.
	I'm going to try to get through these quick.
	Hopefully, we don't linger on them for too long.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	I don't care.
	Oh, come on.
	Come on.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Just can you do it into the mic?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I think yes.
	I think yes as well.
	Yes, you can.
	Sure.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Can somebody in the chat begged me to ask this question?
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm ready.
	Totally not dating relatable.
	Fuck it, whatever.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	Can ask them.
	Wait, starting with you?
	Of course.
	They are not a marginalized or minority, so racism is more, I would say it's prejudice, not racism.
	Okay.
	Your answer.
	I would say the same thing: prejudice versus systemic abuse.
	I don't think that people.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think prejudice.
	But I also think it depends on where you're at, though.
	Because I'm sure there's predominantly where there's not predominantly white people, so I'm sure that there's a possibility to experience racism.
	Yeah, you can be prejudiced towards white people, but I don't think there's any systems that white people are the losers in.
	So you can't really be racist towards them.
	What about affirmative action?
	What do you give me a specific example of affirmative action?
	The fact that, for example, with universities, in universities, they will typically penalize both Asian and white people when it comes to their SAT scores, for example.
	So in order for you to be more likely to qualify for enrollment in a university as a white or Asian person, and it's actually the highest amongst Asian people, you have to score a higher in your testing metrics than, for example, like Native Americans, blacks, and Native Americans, blacks, Latinos, Pacific Islands.
	I don't know whatever.
	No, that would.
	I get what you're going with the question, but yeah.
	So I agree with the concept of giving people who've historically had less opportunities a kind of a step up and giving them more of an opportunity.
	Like Asian people?
	Well, when it comes to people, hold on.
	Why are Asian people penalized the most under the system?
	I'm not, that's like, you got to be able to do it.
	Like Harvard.
	I know.
	You are interrupting me, dude.
	Like, you're doing what you don't want me to do.
	And I'm honestly so exhausted that I don't want to look like a quarter here.
	I just don't know how much longer I can go.
	I apologize.
	I'm going to go to the next seven hours or something.
	But I agree for interrupting.
	I'm hungry and tired.
	But I agree with the concept of if there is a group that's historically been stepped on and not given an opportunity.
	I agree with the concept of trying to level that.
	The ways that we've gone about that, I don't necessarily agree with, no.
	But I do agree that that's part of dismantling the system.
	If there's a system is in place where historically white people always win, we need to change it.
	Are we changing it the right way?
	I don't know.
	I'm too fucking tired.
	Fair enough.
	I like the concept.
	Absolutely, yes.
	I've talked to so many black people who are like, yes, we could be racist against white people, just like Asians on black, vice versa.
	Of course.
	I think, yeah, it's more of a prejudice.
	So you can't be racist towards white people then?
	No.
	Okay.
	You can be racist against white people, like I can be a misogynist and a female.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Just a quick follow-up.
	Being prejudiced, is it just as morally reprehensible as being racist?
	I think it could be.
	I mean, I think that in a night, again, I'm not trying to just say if we lived in a dream world, because I know that's not the case, but if we did, then I think that if you act in a disrespectful way towards someone based on something they can't change about themselves physically, at least within like 30 seconds, let's say, I don't think you should base how you treat them based on that.
	Aren't they on some level synonymous?
	And then same to you.
	Is being prejudiced equally morally reprehensible as being racist?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I'm like, at this point, so mentally exhausted, I'm scared.
	I'm going to say shit I don't believe in anymore.
	But I think so.
	I'm just so, I can't think straight.
	I've already had one.
	I just think I just got to make it.
	We have some applesauce.
	Do you want some applesauce?
	Can I have some apples?
	I just need energy here.
	Madison, can you hook her up with the applesauce?
	Is it organic medicine?
	I don't care if it's organic.
	I just need a little sugar or something.
	Get this girl.
	Do you want two applesauces?
	We have two pats.
	Anybody else want applesauce?
	We got the plug.
	We got the applesauce plug.
	I, as a gentleman, as a gentleman, I will provide the applesauce for.
	How noble of you.
	I'm a nice guy.
	See?
	All right.
	I'm so sorry.
	It's the most chivalrous thing you've done.
	I'm very chivalrous, clearly.
	Let's see.
	Come on, I know you have to.
	Do you guys think that this is like sort of a two-parter question?
	That me and Andrew are misogynists.
	Yes.
	Circle jerking under the table.
	Are we in a.
	Okay, never mind.
	Do you think me and Andrew.
	So you could say yes for Brian, no for Andrew, no.
	Do you think we're misogynists, starting with your students?
	Yes.
	Okay, maybe yes.
	Okay, I'll take that.
	I think specifically, you've been vocal that you haven't been saying women can't do these things, but this is just an objective truth.
	So I wouldn't say that you guys are misogynist.
	I would just say.
	Can you tell us how you really feel?
	No, no, I'm agreeing.
	I just don't.
	I don't know.
	I'm so sorry.
	I just don't know how much support you would actually give women in your daily life.
	I would need to get to know you to know that.
	Just curious, how much support do you give to men?
	In my daily life, I mean, I don't interact with a lot of men.
	So when I'm interacting with them, then I, of course, I'll give support.
	But, you know, I don't know.
	But I just don't know you guys.
	So that's what I'm saying: I don't know you.
	Do you think me and Andrew are misogynists?
	I also don't know y'all well enough.
	But I mean, based off of the current conversation, I don't think so.
	I think you've put a lot of hypotheticals out, potentially just playing like devil's advocate.
	But I mean, I don't think that makes you guys necessarily misogynist.
	What about you?
	I think that some of the statements both of you have made throughout the last six or seven hours have come across as misogynistic to me.
	However, I don't know either of you well enough to label you as that as a human being.
	But I think I have some viewpoints that could be misogynistic.
	I think I have some.
	I think we all have some viewpoints that might be racist or misogynistic or anything.
	That doesn't mean you as a human being are that at your core, though.
	Okay.
	So this is shocking coming for me because I actually feel like we throw that around way too much in the guys who don't deserve it.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I feel like you guys are.
	Are?
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Same thing.
	I feel like I don't know you guys well enough to know if you're misogynist.
	I also don't really like throw that term easily, so I've said no.
	No?
	You?
	I don't know you guys, but I know that you're not misogynist because I am.
	Okay, that was an interesting one.
	So wait, going back.
	Going back to you, just so we can make sure we're talking about the same thing, how do you define misogyny?
	Thinking that women are lesser than you.
	Okay.
	Hating women.
	Hating women.
	Wanting to treat us differently just because we're women or you think we lack the brain capacity or any of the physical skills to do anything any other human is capable of.
	Well, then I do, if that's the definition, then the one part of it of want to treat women differently, then I would fall into that.
	That part of that definition for sure.
	Because he believes in chivalry.
	I'm sure.
	Well, no, that's not why, but okay.
	We'll go cat.
	Let's get definitions.
	So, your definition of misogyny, since you were pretty clear about it.
	Yeah, if you look it up, one of the key words is contempt.
	So, what you said, like a contempt or hate for women.
	So, which one?
	Is it the contempt or the hate part?
	They're intertwined.
	They're synonyms.
	They're big.
	Contempt.
	Let's associate it for all intents and purposes: contempt.
	I suppose you could have contempt for somebody without hating them, but okay, so.
	Are these, by the way, these individualistic definitions?
	Meaning, if what if you just have contempt and hate for one woman?
	Poor friends.
	Is that okay?
	Is that misogyny?
	Or does it need to be spread over the pool of women?
	Spread over women.
	I'll say it again: women.
	I know we were.
	So does it need to be spread over women?
	I think so, yes.
	Yeah.
	As a group.
	Okay.
	So I support five women.
	So I support five women.
	That's awesome.
	Good for you.
	How many men do you support?
	I have some amazing men in my life.
	Yeah, how many men do you support?
	Mr. Raising Impact.
	How many men do you support?
	Supported countless men.
	Financially?
	Yeah.
	It's none of your business.
	Zero?
	You're dating a 60-year-old?
	I'm curious where you guys are going.
	I'm just asking, how many men do you support?
	None.
	I don't have any kids.
	It's really interesting that the misogynist over here is supporting all the damn women, and the not misogynist over there not doing much for the men.
	But I would argue that we support each other and we don't.
	We're not taking care of them.
	I'm not even going to engage because I meant it.
	Like, I'm not taking care of my men.
	She took care of me.
	Yeah, but you didn't call me a misogynist, right?
	No, I didn't.
	Why is it just monetary?
	That's just, it's not even.
	Well, I think it's, I just think it's interesting.
	Contracting something against over women in general.
	So this would apply to the fact that since I have four daughters and a wife at home, that I must be a fucking monster who hates them.
	I would hope not.
	I agree with these women.
	I don't know enough about you, but from what I'm doing, hey, but from what you've described in this conversation over infinity, is what I sense is just a genuine superiority of men over women.
	Like, I haven't heard you say other than procreate, like, one positive thing about women.
	I'm sorry, I gave you an entire ontological argument for why women were necessary that Brian couldn't even give.
	I gave an entire on topic.
	I actually gave you an ontological syllogism for why women are necessary in society.
	Can you do that for men for me, real quick?
	Can you give me an ontological syllogism for why we need to do that?
	I've supported men in society from the beginning of this.
	So why do we need women?
	I love men.
	Why do we need them?
	Wait, no, you don't.
	You love men?
	Brian, I've said it.
	Oh, I get it.
	Because I've said it like three times.
	Just making sure it's clear.
	Yeah, so anyway, I gave an actual ontological argument for why we need women, literally.
	I don't know where you came up with this idea.
	I just think, I don't know.
	I'd have to know more.
	I'd love to know more.
	But you don't believe in chivalry.
	Like I said, it just seems like you have these underlying.
	It's just toxic.
	There's no way that's toxic to not believe in chivalry.
	Hold on, wait, let me ask you.
	Just because you have daughters, and I hope that they're, you know, awesome and you raising them.
	And, but just so that proves, okay, like, what is that?
	You know, there's a lot of shitty people.
	You could still be a massage.
	It just doesn't make it doesn't.
	So is it, you said it's toxic to not be chivalrous?
	No, no, no.
	I said, no, no, no.
	I was saying you're just what you've said throughout this, your behavior is toxic.
	Is it toxic masculinity?
	Again, you would, I'd be the last person because I have men's backs all the time.
	I've had some of our society's biggest label misogynists come on to like state their case and have their back of why they're not.
	And, you know, it's unfortunate.
	It's out there.
	I have to see.
	I have to say, even the comments in here and just how you guys are, it's, you know, it's a little toxic.
	And I hate that because it's such a buzzy word and it's so whatever has lost its weight.
	And I debunk it all of the time.
	But, you know, again, prove me wrong.
	It's like, I just feel like women are second class.
	I think it's pretty apparent.
	I think that the reason you're embracing the buzzword of misogyny and toxicity is because we dared disagree with you and you're a pampered princess.
	That's, again, your opinion.
	So I think you're a misandrist.
	I have people who are misandrist.
	Wait, did you pick the bear?
	No, I said so many times.
	I would not get a pretend for five fucking seconds to fight all the time.
	I think that men who dare disagree with women, especially you, are just kind of labeled as a mother.
	My boyfriend disagrees and goes toe-to-toe and challenges.
	Your boyfriend lets you flirt with other dudes.
	What are you talking about?
	He's the most permissive motherfucker I've ever heard of.
	He's a more man than you'll ever be.
	That's neither here nor there.
	He challenges.
	He lets you go with other dudes.
	He's not thriving.
	That's what a man does.
	He's a human dude, whatever.
	He challenges.
	He challenges and goes toe-to-toe with me all the time.
	I don't need to be caught all the princess.
	You sure seem like that.
	But he's also not a misogynist.
	He honors and respects women as his equal.
	In fact, like empowers women in ways he's opened my eyes.
	Then, if I'm wrong, give me an actual example of anything I've said which is misogynistic, a single one.
	That women can't do anything.
	You've said society would completely be destroyed if it were up to if it were left to women.
	Yes.
	This is like a fucking fever dream.
	Literally, I feel like why would that be a misogynist at all?
	I'm like, unassisting.
	Because you don't think we can do that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but I gave him the evidence.
	I feel like I'm not yours.
	I'm not aware of that.
	I gave an evidence.
	Is there anything real?
	Is there anything real?
	I gave an evidence, reasoned, I gave an evidenced, reasoned argument.
	An evidenced, reasoned argument for why I think that absent men, society would collapse.
	You talk about porn stars like they're trash and worthless.
	Men and women.
	And I think bigoted narcissists.
	Okay, how you think about me is how I think about you in the morning.
	Great.
	Men and women.
	You advocate for the patriarchs.
	You advocate for nothing.
	I have no value.
	I didn't say anything about you not having value.
	Okay, you advocate for yourself.
	Oh, you buy to have value?
	I think all human beings have ontological value.
	Okay, so me being a porn star, you think that takes away from my value as a person, my morals, my being, yeah.
	Okay.
	Does it make in your opinion?
	I'm trying to answer your question.
	Yeah.
	I'm not saying that you're not a valuable human being.
	Okay.
	I would love to see you reform from being a corn star.
	I mean, you're probably not going to, but I'd love to see it.
	But yeah, I mean, yeah, I think it compromised your morals for sure.
	But I wouldn't apply that to you because you're a woman.
	I would apply that to you because you're a corn star.
	It has nothing to do with you being a woman.
	Okay, you've talked about fighting for the patriarchy.
	You talked about feminism.
	Jesus.
	Has not been perfect.
	You said that you like patriarchy.
	Does that make you a patron?
	I never said anything.
	Yes, you did.
	Okay.
	Does that make you a misogynist?
	I never said that.
	I did.
	You talk about the downsides of women, I don't know, being fully realized fucking individuals after feminism.
	It's like, in that way, it's apparent to me.
	But if that's not misogyny to you, then you don't have to literally be a woman beater.
	No, no, no.
	Safe and healthy.
	You said as somebody who thinks women are lesser or hates women, I want an example of how you can demonstrate that I think women are lesser or that I hate that.
	Just explain, you can hit rewind how women are lesser.
	Okay.
	Women can't maintain a society.
	You've propped up the jerk.
	Not modern society.
	Okay.
	You've debunked and said, What is everything wrong?
	Again, feminism has not been perfect, it's gone too far in some ways.
	Okay, he's going against women being in the work all time.
	Just so we're clear.
	Look, we got to address points one at a time.
	If you're just going to like list off like a million different things, look, so specifically on the argument of what would happen if all men disappeared immediately and women didn't have any opportunity to be able to learn the ways in which huh?
	Nothing.
	Go ahead.
	No, what did you say?
	I said I'd throw a parade.
	Yeah.
	That's how that story started.
	Yeah, throw a parade.
	So that is how the story starts.
	Can we all agree on one thing?
	You might disagree with the outcome here.
	Would you guys be prepared to agree?
	And I could show you like the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
	I could show you the representation of men who are in infrastructure jobs.
	If it's the case that, say, like over 90% of men in like critical infrastructure jobs, the types of jobs that really keep society running when it comes to the electrical grid, when it comes to waste management, when it comes to sewage, when it comes to water, when it comes to all this stuff, when it comes to telecoms, et cetera.
	Will you at least grant me that it's 90% men?
	It's probably more, but let's just say it's 90% men.
	It is 90% men, but it's men's fault that it's 90% men because society was set up to just say that very recently women were even allowed to do those jobs.
	It wasn't our choice that we weren't allowed to do those jobs.
	It's your guys' choice that we wouldn't have that choice.
	What is precluding women from entering these fields?
	Nowadays, but we're talking about now.
	We're talking about now.
	But even nowadays, what is precluding them is the mechanic and the menu.
	I'm just going to grant for a second women treated like shit in those places so much to the point that they're like, I'd rather be an esthetician because people don't treat me like shit.
	Agreed.
	So we'll just grant for a second that this is the majority of the people.
	I'll grant it all of that.
	That it's men's fault that women are not in those roles fair enough.
	At this moment in time, there are more men in that field.
	So if you were to do that.
	If we acknowledge that, if it's 90% men, 95% men, and these are the men who are, for example, that they're in the job when anybody here been around when there's like a blackout?
	Not here.
	Okay.
	I don't know if you've ever seen like if there's a power line that's out and it's 3 a.m.
	It's men who are going to fix that in the middle of winter when it's snowing and there's a hailstorm.
	It's men who are going to go out and fix that, right?
	Unless you're Nina.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Unless you're Nina.
	So granting all this, granting that 90, 95% of men take up these occupations, how could it just be, how is it wrong to say that if it's the men that would fix these systems, electrical grid,
	sewage, waste, water, everything, telecoms, whatever it may be, if it was the men who occupy those jobs, if they all disappeared, like, why is it wrong to say that if they all disappeared, those systems would collapse?
	Would they not?
	Would they not collapse?
	Would they not collapse?
	I think what you're saying, I'm agreeing with what you're saying: is we're taking all the information we have right in this current moment, and if that were to happen and no one figured any, like, okay, that maybe could happen.
	But my question is, why are we trying to imagine a world without men?
	Well, so like, why is that the issue?
	Yeah, so I'll answer the question.
	Yeah.
	So I would concede on the other end, the flip side, that there's women who are in things like childcare, nursing occupations, things like this.
	If they all disappear tomorrow, I can show you crisis after crisis that men would have to scramble to solve.
	Yeah, 100%.
	We're just saying that societal infrastructure itself is not going to completely collapse.
	How that could ever be a misogynistic statement, I don't know.
	But the reason that we're trying to dive into this is because, again, to explain it again, I run into delusion constantly, where it's, no, I don't believe that that would be a problem.
	No, I do think that we would be just fine.
	No, I don't think that there would be significant problems.
	That's a delusional take, which then I can take to kind of get to the heart of those issues.
	So, okay, if it's built on this false belief, where did we come up with that false belief?
	That's why it's important.
	No, I understand, but I guess my next question is, how do you know what's delusional or not?
	What is your objective truth?
	Where does that come from?
	Well, and if I may just jump in really quick, the reason that we actually provided this scenario of if all men disappeared, women didn't have some like foreknowledge of it coming, it just instantly happened.
	When we asked you, do you need men?
	A lot of you said, no, don't need them.
	Don't even need them for my survival.
	All right.
	Well, I mean, despite us presenting evidence that you actually do, do you still just?
	Can I chime in really quick?
	I agree with you that based on the way that society is functioning right now, you're right.
	If you guys all randomly disappeared, probably the power grid would go out and stuff like that because 90% of those jobs are held by men in the first place.
	However, this is where it becomes misogynistic to me, is I do believe that you're right.
	Maybe initially there would be some sort of chaotic collapse.
	Things wouldn't be working out.
	But what I believe wholeheartedly is that women have the ability to learn, train themselves, and use tools to be able to accomplish those jobs.
	So maybe there would be a lull where we're fucked for a little bit because everyone needs to catch up.
	But I strongly believe that women put their heads together and teach each other and learn.
	Yeah, you're right.
	I might not be strong enough, but like I ran the produce department at Trader Joe's and I was the first woman in 10 years to do so.
	I was using a big Joe Jack.
	Do you think I was lifting pallets alone?
	No, but I learned how to operate machinery so that I could move those pallets by myself at three in the morning every morning and I was the first woman in 10 years to do so.
	Can I just rebut this?
	The fact that you think I can't learn is what's misogynistic.
	Not that I don't know it right now.
	Can I ask you a question ever disputed?
	Ever.
	So are you familiar with that?
	Society would not collapse if we had the ability to learn and fix it.
	But hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Let me just say one thing.
	Are you familiar with the term point of no return?
	Yes, of course.
	So you say if we can learn, I'm telling you, within days, the telecommunication system down, internet down.
	You wouldn't have the internet.
	You wouldn't have like the means to go like internet down within days.
	Electricity down within days.
	Like you can't just go to a library and pick up a book.
	Riddle me this, though.
	What about the beginning of time when men, they didn't know how to make a fire?
	Wait, let me talk.
	Let me talk.
	Men didn't know how to make a fire and did they have the internet to teach them?
	No, maybe one group of men learned in this small village to make a fire.
	Men on the other side of the world also kind of figured out how to make a fire.
	And eventually we all figured it out.
	So why can't we do it?
	I'm assuming it's men because you guys are acting as if men are the ones to figure this out.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I didn't tell you I do assume it's men.
	We have the equal ability.
	So if everything shut down, I do think that like in my immediate little village, me and the woman around us, I'd lean on the women closest to me and be like, what do you know that I don't?
	Teach me and I'll teach you what I don't.
	And some woman hours away from me, which I don't have the internet, so I can't communicate with her, she's doing the same thing with the woman in her immediate surroundings.
	And eventually, you're right, it might be a blackout period.
	Like we're cavemen first or cave women for a second.
	But I think that we are smart enough that we can learn and figure it out and teach each other.
	And eventually we can rebuild society because eventually, like at one point in time, this society was built in the first place.
	Why can't we rebuild it again?
	Why are we so stupid we can't figure it out?
	You're right.
	I don't know how the electrical grid works, but I do believe I could learn if I tried.
	I believe you.
	So that was never the point of my dispute.
	So, the point of your dispute was: can women survive without you?
	I think initially we wouldn't know what to do, and then I think we've learned and we would know how to do it.
	I don't wish to live in a world without you guys.
	I really don't.
	Can I talk?
	I wasn't done talking.
	Wait, how can you stop talking for five seconds and then I start and you say I wasn't done?
	I didn't stop for five seconds.
	I was like mid-opening my mouth when you interrupted me.
	Like, I was actually not done talking.
	Okay.
	You can talk now.
	If you're done talking, let me know.
	I mean, if you can read social cues and you're a host, you should know when I'm done talking.
	I did read the social cue and you said you weren't done.
	You read them wrong.
	You're right.
	So I told you what you read wrong.
	But I mean, I'm fucking tired.
	I'm done.
	If I was here single, I would be going home now, not because I'm giving up, but because I'm tired.
	And I just like, I don't, I feel like I'm talking in circles.
	And I have learned a lot from you guys tonight.
	I really appreciate the opportunity for being able to do this.
	But, and some things have slished my perspective a little bit.
	But at the end of the day, I'm leaving here knowing I'm capable of everything you guys are.
	I don't think that was really ours.
	That wasn't the coordination.
	Anyways, I will move it on.
	I want to finally get.
	Oh, man, I'm going to finally get into the notes here.
	So going to, and we have like tweets and TikToks to react to, bringing it back a little bit to dating.
	We have, hold on, sorry.
	Luna.
	We have Luna.
	Excuse me.
	We had some tweets of yours that we thought were interesting.
	So, Nick, can you pull up the tweets?
	So, your response, don't scroll down then.
	Daily Star.
	Five things.
	Five things.
	Yeah, five things that should never go near your vagina.
	One, military men.
	Two, Aries, Libris, Sagittarius men.
	Three, women aren't good people, ask men.
	Four, what's your body count?
	Ass men.
	And lastly, five, conservative finance bros, podcasters, and musicians.
	Now, this is, I think you're saying this for all vaginas, though, not just your vagina.
	All vaginas, those types of men should avoid vaginas.
	You're taking that tweet way too literally.
	Could you be wrong?
	You're taking that tweet way too literally.
	It was very obviously meant to be a funny joke.
	Oh, but.
	Thanks for the clarification.
	Oh, I thought you understood like basic stuff.
	But okay.
	Anyways, yeah, no.
	Military men have notoriously been, in my experience, I've dated my fair share of military men.
	They are narcissistic, especially the higher up, higher the ring.
	One question, though.
	So it's either a joke or it's not.
	So you just said it's a joke.
	It is a joke, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
	It's applied to me.
	Oh, okay, it applies to me.
	In my personal experiences, like I just said.
	Sure.
	But it doesn't apply to everyone.
	Okay, that's fine.
	And you don't like the whole what's your body count?
	No, I think that's the most idiot.
	Why does it fucking matter?
	Why does it matter?
	Why does body count matter?
	Yeah.
	To you?
	Why does my body count matter to you?
	Like, well, I mean, I don't really care to anyone.
	Your body count, but I would say men, generally speaking, do have a preference for not dating promiscuous women.
	Less used women.
	Yeah.
	Didn't it?
	Less used.
	Like almost like children, right?
	I'm sorry.
	More pure.
	Yeah, more disturbing.
	Wait, so just to be clear, let me ask you a question.
	So would you object more to a man dating a woman who's 25 but a virgin and say he's 30 versus a man who's 30 who dates an 18 year old but she slept with 100 men?
	Which one do you object to more?
	They're all consenting adults.
	Wait, but I thought I thought you said you know it sounded like you had an objection to men who prefer A less used vagina that's that's fucking weird.
	Weird.
	Again, do you know what a straw man is?
	That's fine.
	You're entitled to your wrong opinion for you.
	That's fine.
	Me personally, you're not going to change my mind.
	I'm not changing.
	And I don't think we're going to get anywhere with this argument because you're not changing my viewpoint.
	I'm obviously.
	Why are you so?
	We're just having a conversation about that.
	I'm also having a conversation.
	So should they prefer a more used vagina?
	Everyone has their preferences.
	Well, then I don't understand the objection to preferring not a used vagina.
	But thinking a woman has less value just because she's had a little more sex than another one is insane.
	Wait, may I?
	Go ahead.
	So we all make value judgments when it comes to who we're going to partner with.
	Do you agree or disagree with this?
	For example, would you tend to value a guy who meets every single one of your standards and is a billionaire and has the perfect penis eyes and is amazing and treats you well versus a short, balding, fat, obese man who is broke.
	I've dated both.
	And I don't care.
	You don't care at all.
	It doesn't matter if there's a lot of people.
	There's one's in the military and one's not in the military.
	With my track record and you know how men in the military I've experienced, I would choose the one not in the military.
	Okay, so you're making a value judgment.
	You're comparing one man to the other and making a determination.
	I prefer men who X.
	The comparisons you're trying to.
	Would you prefer to date a virgin or a man who has sexual experience?
	Whoever's going to treat me better.
	Doesn't matter who's sexually experienced.
	That's an insane no.
	I'm not going to.
	Are you a virgin?
	I want to date you.
	That's.
	Well, let's assume they would both treat you well.
	You don't have to.
	Try them both out.
	You don't have to.
	See who I vibe with better.
	So can I ask you another question then?
	So then, does one's skill in the bedroom doesn't matter at all?
	Like if someone's bad in bed, does it matter?
	No.
	Because I'm good.
	Okay.
	I mean, that's a fair response, I suppose.
	Nick, pull it back up because I just wanted to see the full context of it.
	I hate to interrupt.
	I am wondering how long this goes, though, because I do have animals.
	We have three animals at home and I kind of want to feed them.
	And so if you're going to get ahead out, I don't want to be glitters.
	I don't want to get genuinely exhausted.
	We have three animals at home.
	So we have definitely some more stuff to get through with.
	We wanted to react to some of Luna's stuff.
	Honestly, it's going to be a lot of Luna stuff.
	So much.
	We can sit here.
	Just to be courteous to you, since you guys didn't pre-plan this, maybe you're hungry and stuff.
	If you guys want to depart.
	Oh, shall we do the last question?
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Fake Sat Energy donated $200.
	Her list is really men who prefer not to have sex with her.
	Her lists include typically are of higher value.
	So she has a proclivity to go after low-value men because she's low-value.
	Aww.
	Interesting.
	Woo-hoo.
	So for you to.
	Don't give up.
	Are you guys interested?
	I don't know if it would be both of you or just you.
	Would you be interested in coming perhaps tomorrow for a more formal one-on-one debate?
	I kind of am, but I also would like Liza and I to be able to talk about it not on camera because it's our last day off together before the work week starts again.
	And I don't know.
	I mean, we need to go grocery shopping and I kind of want to do life shit.
	But I would.
	It would not be.
	I want to make sure we can talk it over.
	It's not seven hours again.
	I think we'd be willing.
	One-on-one debates would be much shorter.
	If they're much shorter, then hell yeah.
	I live a three-minute walk from here.
	I'm going to walk home right now.
	What makes you think you get over here by the time?
	Sorry, how low it's done.
	I'll have you two take their seats.
	But thank you guys so much for coming.
	Oh, yeah, we appreciate it.
	It was great talking about it.
	Although we disagreed, I thought you guys were fantastic guests.
	Yeah, we appreciate it.
	Thanks for joining.
	Did you want the Naple Sauce for the road?
	We got applesauce.
	We never finished the tacos be bought on the way to meeting you guys.
	So I'm going to go home and eat that.
	That's a commitment.
	But I really, yes, thank you.
	Thank you guys for coming.
	Thank you guys.
	We'd love to.
	Can I see?
	Can I get my phone?
	I check on my phone.
	Well, hold on.
	Can you hang tight here?
	It's a little too many people up at one stage.
	So Steve walk home and get stuff.
	Can you guys take their seats, please?
	Wait, so Andrew, get to take over for like two minutes.
	I'll be right.
	Let's do a little detail.
	Okay.
	So.
	So, guys.
	So back to the weather now.
	So back to the idea briefly of misogyny and the idea that Brian's a misogynist.
	Right.
	Brian.
	Not me.
	But Brian is a misogynist, right?
	I would like to actually revisit what you think was stated that it's actually misogynistic.
	I explained them already, Andrew.
	And even the way, and this is where it gets blurred because is this internal misogyny and contempt for women, or is this just kind of being a dick?
	But I felt like the way that you just, you guys just approach, or sorry, Brian, approach women, talk to them, not gonna limp you win, talk to, talk to us women, talked about women, approach women.
	I just found somebody who's not very respectful of women.
	Nope.
	No, slightly.
	Let me ask you this.
	Okay.
	Can you assume for a second that every woman who comes on the show, they have a different worldview, right?
	Of course.
	Some women get really upset if you don't treat them just like you would treat men.
	They get really mad about it.
	Super mad.
	Oh, why are you pampering her?
	Because, right?
	So, what I do is this: I just treat everybody exactly the same.
	So, if there's a lot of people who are going to be able to beg to differ, this is what I'm going to do.
	Hang on, there's been men on the show that I've been on with, and I rip them to shreds as bad as I do the women.
	That's good.
	From what I've experienced and just from what I've observed, here's a perfect example.
	When you and I were having a fun thing, Brian called out me and not you.
	Like, Taylor, stop, stop talking and let's go.
	Yeah, but you were in the wrong there.
	I wasn't.
	You started it, and you know it.
	Yeah, but you kept going.
	Okay.
	So, it's you know, stuff like that, even how you continuously, you know, cut us off and you know, insisted you did it.
	And again, maybe it is just dickish behavior, and you do that with dudes too, but you know, it's just and again, I don't know if it's like an act for the show, if it's how if it's how you guys really are in real life.
	Like, I'd be fascinated to see you with your wife and your girls.
	Let me ask you this: do you think when you rewind this?
	Do you like your honest?
	I don't plan on it.
	But, your honest opinion: do you think that we interrupted more or were interrupted more?
	With me or in general here?
	General.
	He didn't as much.
	You did, though.
	Do you think I interrupted more than I was interrupted?
	I feel like you interrupted at least.
	You did.
	No, you did the whole time.
	You did.
	You think so?
	I think so.
	Would you be willing to put it in?
	Oh, we're doing dollars now.
	Would you be willing to?
	Well, I don't.
	Is it a reliable news source?
	Is it a bad thing?
	Somebody out there will literally put the count up.
	Because I'll put the count up.
	Cost your biased following.
	Yeah, they'll be put a county.
	My ass ain't going to watch it back.
	I can't count it.
	I'm not that committed to this cause.
	This isn't my following.
	I'm a guest.
	I thought you're a co-host.
	I'm a guest.
	Guest.
	One of the producers said you're a regular co-host, but you're a regular guest.
	I'm not the co-host of the show.
	Not at all.
	I don't know where that idea came from.
	I don't know.
	It all goes to say.
	So here's the thing.
	Every time I hear this complaint, I think that if you were sitting where I was and there was men who were surrounding you, right?
	And each one of them had a different opinion.
	That would be fun.
	And each one of them wanted to argue with you and engage with you, right?
	That if you played the video back and you went, wait a second, I was actually interrupted way more than I interrupted.
	Because it's the only way that you can handle a panel.
	If I go back and watch any of your panels, you say you've hosted them, I've posted many panels too.
	No fuck a way you don't interrupt people.
	It's not even possible.
	Yes, but you do it out of really knee-jerk.
	It's like you can't even get the thought out.
	And maybe that's just your personality.
	Maybe it's same for you.
	Okay, that's fair.
	But I will, again, I'm trying to find common grounds here, eye to eye.
	I do agree with you in that women, you know, if they want to go toe-to-toe, they can't get bent out of shape and act like little fragile dandelions, right?
	Like if a guy is, or something like this, right?
	Challenging them and going, you know, so I get that.
	I'll give you, you know, validation there because I know you're looking for it.
	I don't know.
	It sounds like you are by calling us misogynists.
	Sound like you kind of want us to validate your feelings.
	I actually could give two.
	We're not the misogynist.
	I could give.
	I don't care.
	You guys, being or not being misogynists have literally nothing to do with my life.
	All right, where were we?
	You guys just got misogyny things.
	He did it.
	We were in.
	Sue.
	I need to find something to talk about for two minutes, right?
	Sue, back to the tweets.
	Oh, the body count thing.
	We were talking about the body count thing.
	Wait, so body count doesn't matter, right?
	No.
	Into the mic if you can.
	No.
	If it doesn't matter.
	If it doesn't matter, what's your body count?
	I lost count a long time ago.
	But just know I'm tested enough to know that I'm safe and healthy about it, which I can't necessarily say for a lot of the people watching.
	You're right.
	You know, we actually did a poll the other week, and like, I think 77% of our audience has genital horse.
	I believe it.
	It's fancy.
	I thought you were going to be a tamer series with a survey.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, I mean, do you have a range?
	That would explain a lot, though, Brian.
	Do you have a range?
	I'm kidding.
	They are all perfectly clean and have giant penises.
	Every single highly doubtful.
	They all have giant counts.
	I highly doubt they're going to be able to do it.
	With the way they talk and act.
	But my body count, if you really want to know, probably past a couple hundred.
	A couple hundred?
	Okay.
	Like 200, 300.
	Like Pokemon.
	Can you catch them all?
	Gotta catch it.
	Are we back on the STDs or are we?
	It's over.
	I love dick.
	I love dick.
	I like experiencing all kinds of dick.
	One is better than the other one.
	All of them at the same time.
	I love being a fucking whore.
	I love being a slut.
	I love fucking on camera.
	It's so fun.
	But the point is, like, who fucking cares?
	Like, it's back to the double standard.
	That's fine.
	It's back to the double standard.
	They reserve the right.
	It's vile however they think.
	It's about me.
	It's biological and whatever it says about their characters.
	It's by them.
	But me personally, I really don't care if you think I'm worthless, if you think I'm low value, if you think I don't deserve love, if you think I'm dirty, I really don't give a fuck because neither of you pay my bills.
	And majority of the people watching are the same ones who log off here and go home and jack off to me and my friends.
	I don't trick off to tattoo porn.
	Sorry.
	Well, that's fine.
	Maybe not you, but I was trying for someone.
	The same people, the same people who want to devalue me and people in my industry are the same people consuming it at the same time.
	And If you don't have to like us, you don't have to approve of us.
	That's fine.
	You go be a Christian.
	You live with your Christian values because you have that right.
	Just like I have the right to be a slut, and I'm going to.
	My mom always said, my mom always said, when you're good at something, never do it for free.
	Hey, it's back to again the cold standard.
	Guys do it that's like other than bed and women.
	But that's a lot of ladies, man.
	They can have all the, oh, they get all the ladies, but a woman is sexy and gets a bunch of men.
	Oh, she's not a fairy.
	That's a lot of actors that come on.
	She's a whore.
	Yeah, so I mean, actually, I actually like this argument.
	So I guess I would agree with you that there's really nothing wrong with tobacco companies because the people who criticize them are often the smokers.
	Right?
	Everything gives you everything.
	Nothing wrong.
	I mean, same thing.
	How dare an alcoholic, you know, criticize a company which mass produces alcohol?
	Yeah, that's, I mean, that would be hypocritical, right?
	I mean, people make the choice.
	Can you imagine?
	Can you imagine if a dude was in the hospital bed dying from lung cancer from having smoked his entire life, criticizing tobacco companies for making a highly addictive product that they got addicted to?
	What a son of a bitch he would be, a hypocrite, right?
	What a piece of shit he would be for doing.
	How does that have to do with you criticizing me what I do for work?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Is pornography highly addictive?
	I mean, what isn't addictive?
	Social media, video games?
	That's an obfuscation.
	People like this.
	That's an obfuscation.
	Is pornography highly addictive?
	Can be.
	Not always.
	Well, no, smoking isn't always addictive.
	But gives it the fact that, like, oh, it's definitive.
	That's a definitive answer.
	It's not definitive for everyone.
	Okay, it's neither is smoking.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, so again, so then we're back to the same criticism.
	If a guy is dying of lung cancer and he's criticizing a tobacco company for making this highly addictive product, he's a fucking piece of shit.
	It needs to shut up, right?
	So you want to criticize porn stars because something's wrong with someone's dick?
	How is that?
	Is it okay for the guy dying of lung cancer to criticize the tobacco company for making the highly addictive product that they became addicted to?
	Or is it not okay for them to do that?
	I mean, was it not their conscious decision to use that addictive product knowing it was?
	Not to become addicted to it.
	But that's a risk you take.
	Oh, right.
	That's a risk you take.
	So then it's perfectly acceptable then, right, for the tobacco companies to be like, shut the fuck up and die.
	You smoked.
	Right?
	Okay.
	Is porn killing people?
	Just answer my question.
	Is that okay or not?
	That's subjective.
	Yeah, I'm asking for your subjective.
	Yes.
	Who?
	Of course it is.
	If you become highly addicted to pornography, it can destroy your sex life, leads to higher suicide rates, all sorts of things like this.
	Okay.
	So yes, I would say, yes, people definitely do things.
	Same thing with video games.
	Should video games be banned?
	Well, whether they should.
	People could.
	Whether they should or they shouldn't.
	It's your criticism, not my criticism.
	I'm not saying, for instance, that people aren't allowed to criticize the porn industry because they watch pornography.
	That would be insane for my take because people criticize things which they're addicted to often, and we seem to give them a pass on that.
	Oh, you want to criticize the tobacco company because you're dying of lung cancer because you were addicted to cigarettes?
	Who said I'd say that's a pass?
	Right?
	If you want to do that with alcohol, that's fine.
	You want to do it with heroin?
	That's fine.
	You want to do it with drugs?
	That's fine.
	But somehow in this particular addictive industry, hey, you know what?
	Those motherfuckers out there, those fuckers out there, they're the same people who watch me.
	They are.
	Yeah.
	And there are not porn itself is a very taboo industry, and it's put in people in the industry and who support the industry have put in so much work to make sure this industry is safe for the people in it.
	All the advances Pornhub has taken to make sure that there isn't videos of children.
	Yeah, I'm sure that tobacco companies have all sorts of regulations to keep their employees safe.
	It's the external factors that matter.
	Who are you affecting outside of your company?
	If porn was to go away, right, with your logic, since porn is just damaging all these people, if porn was to go away and all the not all every man, because I know y'all love to do that, a man who has the tendencies or the needs to sexually violate women, do you not think porn gives them a healthy avenue so they don't take it out on women?
	You don't think there would be more against women?
	In fact, I think that if porn was to just disappear.
	I think that because corn, for instance, in this instance, they make corn specifically tailored to that fetish.
	It actually enables men to live that fantasy out and not.
	Without harming anyone.
	No.
	Because many of the people who get caught inside of those acts when asked, why did you get involved in these acts?
	Oh, I took it from fantasy to visualization through corn, and then I began to carry out that.
	Personally, anyone I know who does prefer that genre isn't actually looking at that genre and they're actually distributing very illegal CP.
	I definitely have to read it out now.
	All right.
	If you want to get on the topic.
	I mean, I'd love to talk about it, but I'm in the OS.
	Okay.
	Nick, let's do the next tweet.
	Next tweet.
	Next tweet.
	Men are pathetic, bro, LMAHO.
	Yes, this was after a man.
	I can give you the, you know, this.
	This was after a man who got caught lying to me and another girl and another girl tried to save his ass by saying I sexually harassed and assaulted him, which is why he fucked me.
	Which we both know is a lie.
	That's where that tweet came from.
	That man is a bad man, but you kind of just said men, plural, all, essentially.
	My apologies for not using his full legal name.
	I'm super offended.
	Wait, pull it back up, Nick.
	Men are pathetic, bro.
	Like, that's kind of like, like if men said, women are pathetic, wouldn't, wouldn't that be?
	You guys do say that, but that's fine.
	Do you know?
	Not you specifically.
	Sure, yeah.
	Some men say.
	I'm valuated it, but.
	Can you just, I don't know if you're able to scoot into the table a little bit just so we can get you closer to the microphone.
	This is fine.
	So wouldn't it be like misogynistic to say women are pathetic?
	Like, would that be misogynistic?
	If you want to label me a misandrist, that's fine.
	Are you a misandrist?
	Sometimes I can lean that way.
	Yeah.
	And you don't think that's like a defect?
	You don't think your bigotry is a defect?
	I mean...
	Well, I don't consider myself a misogynist.
	You seem to have no qualms with, in some instances, considering yourself a misandrist, which I find troubling, I suppose.
	Well, that's fine.
	You can find it troubling.
	However, I have with my personal experience.
	Very troubling.
	So traveling.
	My personal experiences, I have more, have had more bad experiences with men than good.
	So, if you want to go off my personal experience, a lot of the men I've met have been inherently vindictive, evil, violent sexual predators.
	You know, in my experience.
	I don't know.
	Not every man.
	That's super weird.
	Definitely not every man.
	That's super weird, though, because then why would you go into an industry, say you love being in the industry of engaging with these violent, predatory men?
	Because in this industry, unlike the day-to-day lives you guys live, the men in our industry actually love us, support us, and uplift us and fight for us.
	Okay.
	Okay, next tweet.
	Try to get through.
	There's quite a few.
	Meaning, meeny, money, motor, quick one.
	Actually, won't, just so it's in your words, can I just have you read it?
	Yep, those men are weak with or without porn.
	Weak men don't have shit to do with porn.
	Weak men are a result of this country and the patriarchal propaganda shoved down their throats their entire lives.
	Banning porn will only make those same weak men lash out with sexual violence against women.
	I think maybe focus on the banning of Roe v. Wade instead of consenting adults who film pornography.
	Can Nick make a smaller please?
	Because this is in response to Kansas Owens' tweets where she says, ban pornography.
	It is a psychological weapon intended to weaken our men.
	You can put this back, I guess.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I mean, there's a lot there.
	Basically, everything I just said in the last couple minutes.
	I'm actually just going to, for the sake of time, I'm going to skip to the next tweet, but it was an interesting one I saw.
	Men in their late 20s out here dating and fucking girls who just practically graduated high school in the last year or two.
	Weird.
	In your own words, you read it.
	Go ahead.
	This tweet in specific, I know you guys love to say, oh, well, you said men.
	You didn't specify which man.
	Wait, can you just read it?
	This is.
	Can you just read the tweet?
	Men in their late 20s out here dating and fucking girls who just practically graduated high school in the last year or two.
	Weird.
	Very weird.
	Can you hide this for a second, Nick?
	And then the follow-up with this bottom one?
	These men be 27 fucking 19, 20-year-olds.
	Like, what did y'all possibly have in common?
	Okay.
	I'm just curious, though, do you have an issue?
	Like, I know that there's, like, for example, male porn stars who are in their late 20s, 30s, who get paired up with 18, 19, 20-year-old women for scenes.
	Do you have objections there?
	But that man isn't building a relationship with that young, naive, uneducated girl to try and manipulate her or build her into the perfect woman.
	It's a scene, you get paid, you leave.
	If she's so young and naive and stupid, then why is it that we allow them to do corn at all?
	I mean, I don't disagree.
	I don't disagree.
	How can they consent to do that?
	I don't.
	Technically, in the U.S., the legal age is 18 up, but I do think that there's a lot of, with the popularity of OnlyFans over the last few years, there are a lot of people in this industry who are not built for it.
	They are not mentally strong enough to take all the stuff that comes with the industry, all the backlash we receive.
	People don't understand the repercussions of being a porn star and how people are going to view you.
	So what age should be the entry point for women in the world?
	Like 21 plus is where you, I feel like you, you know you could make that judgment.
	You might still be a little young, might still be a little inexperienced, but freshly 18 you know that that's a touchy subject I it's a legal age.
	Personally, I just I for my own personal sites and content.
	I don't work with anyone that I think looks too young or is young.
	I 21's pretty young, 21's pretty young.
	21 is that's what I said.
	They're still, they still have a lot to learn, but it's not 18, where they're probably still in high school and not even graduated yet.
	They turned 18 mid-senior year.
	There also are a lot of girls in the industry like, not like a lot, but I have heard of a few cases of girls have gotten the industry because they're 18 before they graduate high school and like I honestly personally don't agree with that.
	I think that that shouldn't be like allowed necessarily, like in our industry, because you mean, you know you haven't really figured anything out yet you, let alone graduated high school, just because you're 18 doesn't necessarily make it okay and with the popularity so yeah.
	So moving it away, I guess, from the porn stuff, bringing it back to the actual complaint, which is age gap relationships are icky or you object.
	You object to them.
	It's not all age gap relationships.
	In that situation specifically, it was someone who would go after younger girls in the industry because they were just easier to control, as in, oh, we both do porn, but you can't do this and this and this.
	I'm sorry to interrupt you, but i'm moving away from the porn industry and i'm speaking about.
	That's the only way I can touch on that topic, because that's what that tweet and specifically was about.
	I've i've been in age gap relationships.
	I don't believe there's anything inherently wrong with age gap relationships, but I think when a man is older and they have more influence over a younger person who doesn't have as much life experience, is it legally wrong?
	No, they're all adults, but what can a 35, 40 year old man really have in common with an 18 year old other than sex?
	Well, and that's basically it's not right.
	So so there is an objection there.
	Then, in certain cases, if someone goes into it with malicious intent to try and manipulate or groom this young girl who has zero life experience you know what I mean wouldn't you object to anybody doing that with anybody, regardless of age?
	I mean yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know why that would apply to age gaps exactly.
	Do you think it's more likely?
	It's definitely more likely because I mean, the older, the older women men get, the more life experience you have, the more you interact with people to recognize when people are being malicious or don't really genuinely value you or care About you, but this can occur at any age.
	Women it can occur at any age, but 18-year-old women are more they can they even really be considered full-grown women?
	They're still children.
	Well, they're adults.
	So, I would be hang on.
	I would be willing actually to put an olive branch out here.
	And if it were, if you were to say that I don't want to consider women to be adults until they're 22, 23, 24, 25, or men, therefore, women can't vote until they're 25.
	I would be willing to accept that.
	I feel like when it comes to voting, voting is anyone can research politics, current policies.
	Research relationships?
	No, because it's experience-based.
	So is policy.
	So is policy voting.
	You can't see the effect of a vote if you've never voted before.
	That's insane.
	I mean, okay, fine.
	Well, I mean, isn't it crazy to say?
	I don't know what the effects of the policy would be that I'm voting for, but I'm still allowed to vote.
	Wouldn't that be the same logic to a relationship?
	No.
	Why not?
	Just because.
	Oh.
	Is that good enough?
	Because I'm exhausted at this point, honestly, and I feel like we're going in circles.
	And I feel like we just don't agree on anything.
	Okay, well, I mean, I frequently hear from women who are in college, for example, that they don't like a lot of the men that are also in college because they're fuckboys and they get mistreated by the men their own age.
	So, I mean, I guess when it comes to your objections to age gap relationships, would you prefer to see like a 20-year-old woman getting like just going from fuckboy to fuckboy to fuckboy who's 20 or 21?
	I don't necessarily for well, let me just finish the question.
	So, versus her dating a guy who's 30 who wants who's a good man, who wants a monogamous relationship with her, who's going to treat her well.
	I mean, which scenario would you prefer to see her in?
	I never said I had anything against age gap relationships.
	Can we pull up the tweet?
	I mean, can you pull up the tweet next?
	You guys are taking it all out of fucking context.
	You say, I can't talk about porn, but this in specific was pertaining to some because you are taking something out of context that you don't have information on.
	I mean, the tweet is very you brought it up and want me to talk about it.
	So, I'm talking about a specific tweet.
	So, the position is just that it's wrong in any type of relationship for there to be manipulation.
	You just think that there's a possibility it could be more likely if the age is gapped.
	If the age is gapped, yes.
	But you don't actually have a moral objection to it.
	No, not necessarily.
	If they're two consenting adults, yes.
	But I feel like a man who is older shouldn't use their life experience, their wisdom, whatever they know when it comes to relationships to try and I don't even know the right word.
	Groom this child, manipulate now.
	Now we got loaded.
	Go on, but now we got loaded.
	I'm fucking loaded language between child and adult.
	So it's like, are they adults or children?
	I literally just said that.
	That 18-year-old, they can technically, by society, be considered women.
	But I remember being 18 and I definitely did not feel like an adult.
	I felt like a child who still had so much life experience to earn and learn.
	I mean, you still do, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I mean, when you're talking about, when you're talking about a societal standard for age, right, for when you're going to consider a person an adult, when should we?
	Do you think, do, would you want a 35-year-old man dating your 18-year-old daughter?
	What would be the objection?
	Why?
	Well, I can't think of an actual moral objection if he was good to her.
	You said you were in age gap relationships yourself, right?
	So you obviously don't have a moral objection either.
	No, but if you're a childhood, hang on, wait.
	I'm almost done.
	Almost done.
	I was just in the middle of the sentence, but this is like me saying back to you, by the way.
	Would you want your sister to date somebody who's the age of your brother?
	You know what I mean?
	It's nonsensical.
	So what you're trying to do is you're trying to impose that because I share a characteristic of whoever my daughter's dating, whether we had blue eyes or the same age or whatever, that that therefore is bringing it to some kind of predatory level.
	It's not.
	How could it be?
	It doesn't instantly.
	It's predatory when they seek out inexperienced young girls for the fact that they are young and inexperienced.
	I'm not that like I don't understand how that's a hard concept to grasp.
	Well, because I don't.
	Go ahead, because I'm fucking.
	Well, I was just going to say it gets dicey, right?
	Because if 18 is the age of legality and giving consent, that's where it starts to get, you know, gray.
	And, you know, if someone consents, they consent.
	But my issue here is with the use of loaded language.
	So when you say, when you try to have it both ways, we're adults, but you're trying to go after this child.
	It's like, no, a child is somebody who's pre, you know what I mean?
	Child has its own category.
	Right, right.
	So they're either women or they're not women, but this idea of infantilizing adult women and saying, wait, they're adults.
	They can do corn.
	They can vote.
	They can do everything in the adult world except select their partner.
	That to me is an absurd argument.
	No, I agree with you on that.
	Agree.
	Look at that.
	But that's because you're in an age gap relationship.
	That's because it's common sense.
	And I love what you said of like, you know, if he treats her well, then.
	I don't know what the moral objection would be.
	I have never heard an actual moral objection.
	Just, well, he could use his station to abuse her.
	But it's like, okay, everybody who's in a position, a millionaire at 20, who's dating a 19-year-old who's not a millionaire, can use that position to be abusive.
	Right.
	You know what I mean?
	So just the age being the age and saying that they could doesn't infer that they will.
	A couple more things.
	Let's do some chats here.
	We have Lil Paladins.
	Maddie, can you read it?
	Give it five more years and she'll have problems with 25-year-old women and starting talking about prefrontal cortex.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Lol Paladins.
	We have another one from Lil Paladins coming here in just a sec.
	Good to see you in the chat, Paladins.
	Thank you, men.
	It should be coming up here in just a moment.
	Go ahead.
	Nice.
	Tough exterior.
	Too bad you were only like that because your didn't get enough love when you were a child.
	I don't hate you.
	I feel sorry for you.
	Don't do me a favor and don't feel anything for me, please.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Paladins.
	We have one more coming in from Warlord69.
	Thank you guys for the Streamlabs messages.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Gypsy.
	Oh, what the heck?
	Gypsy.
	I prefer my women to be priceless rather than being easily found on the internet with their legs open.
	That's your fucking preference, man.
	Good for you.
	All right.
	Thank you, Warlord.
	So, really quick, why don't I do Twitch?
	And then we'll go back to the tweets.
	We got tweets, TikToks.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Guys, go ahead.
	This one also had 69 in their screen name.
	What a dork.
	What a dork.
	It's like your ones open in the thing.
	It's like dude.
	Wait, can you make it a little bigger, Nick?
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	There's 1,600 people watching.
	If you can, just on Twitch, I think we all, at one point, we probably had like 10K concurrent between YouTube and Twitch.
	But guys, if you're watching on Twitch, just drop us a follow.
	If you're watching on YouTube, up and up and down the tab.
	We do Twitch exclusive streams.
	Guys, it's been two minutes since we've had a prime sub.
	I think it's bugged.
	Can we help?
	Help.
	Help.
	Okay, thanks, guys.
	Next tweet, Nick.
	We got more tweets while he's getting that.
	We got that that came up.
	Boom.
	Okay.
	Bada bing, bada boom.
	I'm so ready.
	I'm ready, Nick.
	Did the body count trend on TikTok and all the...
	Oh, wait, I'm sorry.
	I should just let you read it.
	Okay, good.
	Did the body count trend on TikTok and all the hate-nassed, prude bitches come out the woodworks with their internalized misogyny?
	Out the woodworks.
	What is the, I wasn't familiar, what's the body count trend?
	I don't even remember.
	I don't remember how long ago that tweet was.
	Do you know what it was, though?
	Like the trend?
	Do not.
	Next, then, I guess.
	We already talked about body count, so go ahead, Nick.
	Although, sounds interesting.
	I like my bitches.
	Oh, my God.
	I like my bitches to be menacing.
	Cost them chaos, be unhinged, set fire to shit.
	Crazy bitches run the world.
	That's just me saying I like aggressive women.
	Would you consider yourself one of those aggressive women?
	Yeah.
	Would you?
	I don't know you that well.
	Probably a little bit.
	Probably be right.
	Probably a little bit.
	Yo, guys, thank you for all the primes, by the way.
	Next tweet.
	Oh, Durin, thank you for the gifted 10 subs.
	Can you read this one?
	Yeah.
	Christians, you know, like to say, oh, Christmas, Easter.
	Those were all taken from pagan religions.
	No, they weren't.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I don't want to touch on the topic of religion anymore because it'll start to get disrespectful for my inner.
	I don't want to get there right now.
	I mean, I won't take nearly as much offense at you bassing my religion as you would with me just asking basic questions about your profession, which I never even directly knocked you for being a part of.
	Never even directly knocked you.
	I just said.
	I said only that it's morally compromising from my worldview.
	Well, when I go home and we'll run it back, I'll clip it and I'll just say.
	Okay, well, why don't you just tell me what it was that I said?
	That person had high IQ.
	Seven hours.
	And yeah, I don't have a high IQ.
	We've been sitting here for seven hours.
	I said back on some of that.
	What I said specifically was that I don't generally associate high IQ with corn star.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	But no, I never did.
	That's all I can say.
	Never did.
	But the thing is, even if you were to go after Christianity, I'm going to be far less offended by that than you are with me going after whatever your perceived idea of me assaulting the corn industry is.
	So no, you don't have to worry about offending me.
	You're assaulting the corn industry.
	Clearly offended.
	You're assaulting the person and their value.
	And that's fine.
	Well, I'm assaulting your values, but not your value.
	So your two distinct categories here are your value, your value of a person.
	Stupid or have a low IQ because I do porn is giving me a low value.
	You mean me saying I don't generally associate high IQ with corn stars?
	Yes.
	Yeah, you know who I don't usually associate high IQ with garbage men either.
	Do you?
	Do you usually associate like when somebody says he's really smart?
	Do you think in your head garbage man?
	You know what?
	I know some brilliant people who have worked as garbage men.
	What name?
	Give me one name of a person you've ever known who's a garbage man.
	One?
	Actually, I'll give you a name.
	My roommate, he was a beautiful, brilliant physicist out of Columbia.
	And now he does DoorDash.
	That's not a garbage man.
	It doesn't matter.
	You said you know garbage.
	You can't name one garbage man?
	You want me to go back and name random people who obviously don't want to give their own.
	You said I've known tons.
	You couldn't say Jim?
	You couldn't say Jim?
	No.
	Okay, fine.
	Moving on.
	You've known all sorts of garbage, maybe can't name any.
	But anyway, back here to the Christianity of just saying I would be far less offended.
	And so this is the thing: Christians are conditioned to be far less offended because of how often.
	I'm sure I grew up in the church.
	Yeah, people with the compromised values attack us, but if we say anything back, oh, you're allowed to be as offended as possible.
	You know what?
	It's funny that you as a Christian and other Christians.
	Not all.
	Not all.
	But Christians demand respect for their religion without respecting anyone else's.
	Yeah, I mean, so the call here is not whether or not we should.
	So I come from generational witches, and you think there's something wrong with that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, you think it's demonic?
	Yeah.
	But you think I should respect you for your religious views?
	Yes.
	That's insane.
	Why?
	The fact you even have to ask us that is why do you think it's insane?
	So it's insane for you to judge, for me to judge you, but you can't judge me.
	Yeah, so I'll explain why.
	Is it insane for you?
	Love thy neighbor.
	Is it insane for you to judge Aztecs who cut the heart?
	He who casts the first stone is never without.
	Is it insane for you to judge Aztecs who cut the heart out of people and sacrificed it to their sun god as part of their religious values?
	Are you allowed to criticize that?
	No.
	Wait, all right.
	Go ahead.
	Are we almost done here?
	We got a couple more things to react to.
	So Maddie, you want to sit there just temporarily?
	Okay.
	So, next tweet, I guess.
	Is there a next tweet?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Everybody saw that one.
	I think.
	Oh, there it goes.
	Oh, can you read it?
	Take it from me.
	Do not ever trust a military man.
	They always lie.
	Ever.
	Trust a DJ or athlete before you put your faith into a military man.
	That was that?
	Okay, one P part.
	Just split neck.
	Okay.
	That was in so this military man that I was talking to.
	First time I went out to see him, his side girl got an abortion.
	Second time I went out to see him, his divorce was finalized.
	Didn't even know he was married.
	Okay.
	And that's just a consistent military guys.
	I've dated like three.
	Army.
	Army, Marines, Air Force.
	Navy.
	Coast Guard.
	What do you think about it?
	No one from the Navy.
	You should try the Navy.
	No, thanks.
	Give it a shot.
	Don't knock it.
	You haven't had a Navy guy.
	Coast Guard?
	Space Force?
	Space Wars.
	Space Force.
	That's a new one.
	Give it a shot.
	Space Force, maybe.
	Space Force, Coast Guard.
	I hear they're out of this world.
	National Guard.
	I don't know.
	Think about it.
	Think about it.
	Give it a shot next one.
	Wait, really?
	Oh, last question.
	Actually, fuck a polaboat.
	Okay.
	Alex's?
	Oh, we had two from Alex.
	Really quick.
	I know you said you had a previous age gap relationship.
	What was the, just curious, what was the age gap?
	I was 21, and he was in his late 40s.
	Sorry, what's that, Nick?
	Oh, yeah.
	I was 20, 21, and he was in his late 40s.
	Okay.
	20.
	And is that like the only age gap relationship you've had?
	I had another one after that.
	It was a smaller gap by maybe 10 years.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Next tweet.
	And then we have a video from you coming up.
	Oh, I got a video.
	Got a video from you.
	She cried.
	She's on the edge of her seat.
	Okay.
	Alex, can you read this one?
	All right, let me hate tweet where the general population is awake.
	Ah, why are you all men cheaters?
	Ah, fuck, all men.
	You're all weenies.
	Damn it, bro.
	Why you gotta gross dude?
	Why you gotta throw us under the bus, Alex?
	I really don't think all men are weenies or cheaters.
	I was just really pissed off.
	Okay.
	Nothing we're not allowed to do.
	No, you can keep the split.
	All right, next tweet.
	So, amen.
	That's funny.
	Can't spell it.
	Screaming in tweets I forgot existed.
	For real.
	Manipulate without man.
	Say it louder for the men.
	So what does this mean?
	Can't spell manipulate without man?
	I mean, you can't spell the word manipulate without M-A-N.
	That's true, but so I guess what are you trying to get at with that?
	Like, what does this mean?
	I mean, that wasn't my tweet.
	I was just, you know, supporting.
	But I already thought it was funny, honestly.
	What does her tweet mean?
	Can't spell manipulate without man.
	All men are manipulators, I guess.
	But I don't want to put words in her mouth.
	So, you know, I can't speak for what she says.
	But you agree with that.
	You agree with that sentiment.
	Again, I was just like tweeting to be an edgy.
	I guess edgy edge lord.
	That's what they call me.
	I'm going to read a quick thing.
	Maddie, can you read this actually?
	Corn is a great band, but corn as an industry is vile and ruined my sex life and previous marriage.
	How can you justify you are helping people when proven to impact then mentally negative?
	You.
	You.
	Yeah, I feel like that's a really personal experience.
	Sorry that happened to you.
	But you.
	Yeah.
	I have plenty of fans that talk to me about their personal life and confide in me.
	I need to make a couple adjustments here.
	Morgan, can you scoot into the table?
	Can I have you scoot into the table as far as you can just so we can get you guys in frame properly?
	I've had so many men reach out and tell me they watch my videos with their wife, with their girlfriend.
	And if anything, it boosts their sex life.
	So to think that, oh, porn, is there porn that damages people's lives because they have an addictive personality and that's what they happen to be addicted to?
	Yes.
	Same thing with alcohol, same thing with video games, same thing with shopping addictions, same thing with speeding.
	It all depends on the person.
	Yeah, but you don't agree that all addictions are equal?
	Every addiction can get to a point of ruining someone's life.
	Oh, wait, what?
	Okay, this must have been out of order.
	Yeah, every man that fucks me over starts bulging, even more so if they were before, after a coincidence, I think not.
	So it's not a coincidence.
	Karma.
	Karma, bitch.
	Karma doesn't.
	You know what?
	My hair grows and their hair falls off.
	So maybe it's the power of children.
	But are you like, are you actually doing something vindictive to get back at them that would cause that?
	I don't have to.
	The universe doesn't.
	Like, you don't ever take, like, do revenge or anything like that?
	No.
	Usually.
	Is that true?
	You know, I don't know how everyone is in astrology, but I have a Saturn and Pisces in the 10th house.
	And the 10th house represents.
	The 10th house represents how you are perceived, your social status, your career, all that stuff.
	So when people fuck me over, all of a sudden their reputation is down the toilet.
	Their career is fucking dwindling.
	It's not, oh, statistic.
	You guys want to get on the topic of science?
	This is just what I personally believe.
	I was just going to get into the topic of astrology.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, when you're talking about the 10th house, though, there's multiple interpretations of what that could mean.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, even from a magical practitioner standpoint.
	Different types of astrology.
	There's Vedic, there's sidereal, there's a bunch of different kinds.
	I mainly go with sidereal.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Next one.
	I don't know why.
	Okay, can you read it?
	I love when entitled bootlickers try to punch down onto minority people trying to make a living and survive.
	Probably typing this shit from his cushy home.
	His only response is it's illegal.
	Now, let's be honest.
	Whatever your name is, since you're too pussy to show your face, you don't actually care about the legality of it.
	You just hate seeing minorities trying to live if it's not to your liking.
	Scroll down the bidneck just so we can see the image she's responding to.
	It's about the house.
	So just people who have likes.
	Yeah, someone was assaulting vendors and destroying them.
	I mean, it's wrong for like some random person to do that, certainly.
	For sure.
	If everyone wants to get on the topic of permits, this, that, yes.
	But did they attack because they didn't have a permit or were they attacked because they were a minority?
	Well, what was the context behind the pictures, though?
	It was tweeted on the children in Vegas.
	They were like having issues and they were kicking people out.
	And I think one of them got assaulted, if I'm correct.
	I remember around F1 when all the F1 stuff was going on around Vegas.
	And when F1 got brought to Vegas and now they got a contract there for 10 years, all the small businesses that people no longer had access to because there's fucking bleachers everywhere.
	All the businesses that went out of business.
	The vendors who can't make any money.
	People are just doing what they can to get by.
	Okay, sorry.
	We'll move it on.
	These are getting into TikTok.
	Okay.
	We'll do the TikToks then.
	Go ahead.
	You can pull up the first one.
	My queen.
	Hey, bitches.
	I'm going on the whatever podcast tomorrow.
	Woo!
	Yeah, that one.
	Hey!
	Tune in.
	4 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, live on their YouTube page.
	Come watch me argue with some men.
	Because we all know how much I love doing that.
	Now, Nick, keep it there, but unfull screen it because there was a comment that was interesting.
	Unfull screen it so you can see the comments.
	Oh, okay.
	Go over the F11.
	It's just FY.
	There's probably a fix to that, but did you misclick?
	Yeah.
	Hey, bitches.
	Hey, bitches.
	Well, I need the comments.
	Yeah, you can scroll down.
	Have to scroll down, please.
	Have to somewhat keep my composure so I don't get kicked off.
	But if you see me sitting there cracking my knuckles, just know I want to jump over that table.
	I'm going to eat them up respectfully, which is what I've done.
	You've gotten destroyed on every point.
	What are you talking about?
	You haven't won a single.
	You said it was okay to rip the hearts out of people on temples because you shouldn't judge them.
	That's what you said.
	Those are people's religious practices.
	And so human sacrifice is a legitimate religious practice to you.
	And we shouldn't judge people.
	From religions, yes.
	Who am I to tell people how they can practice their religion?
	What is what I think you don't understand?
	I'm sorry.
	So you don't think.
	We got more.
	You were going to eat me up.
	I thought you were eating me up.
	You're a strong woman.
	You can't eat up bigotry.
	You can't make arguments.
	I can't make you respect my kids.
	I can't make arguments.
	I can't make you respect my arguments.
	I'm just listening for arguments.
	So here's the argument.
	Do you think it's okay for a religious person?
	I don't know.
	Put babies on spikes.
	If they were just like, you know what?
	It's part of our dance to our God.
	We take little babies and we fucking impale them.
	Are you going to judge them?
	Is that what they're doing right now?
	Are you going to judge them?
	Is that what they're doing?
	Answer the question.
	Answer my question, though.
	Somewhere I'm sure that that's where someplace is doing.
	Oh, you know what?
	Let me tell you about the come warriors of Papua New Guinea.
	Oh, my God.
	So that you know.
	Don't tell us.
	Okay, so anyway.
	Anyways, can we move on?
	Well, I don't care.
	Well, I don't care if you don't care.
	Are you going to engage with the argument?
	No.
	No, but you were going to chew us up.
	Wow.
	You know, you can't change.
	I got.
	Go ahead.
	You can change my mind if you gave me this.
	I don't know.
	At any point.
	Because you said a couple times that you would be cracking your knuckles and you'd jump over the table.
	Has Andrew at any point throughout the show made you want to just jump over the table and smack him around?
	Give him a little smack in the face?
	Several times.
	What about me?
	Am I?
	Or not so much me?
	I think you kind of think you like me.
	Not like him that way.
	I don't think you have anything.
	You have been more respectful of my views and the things I say and more open and accepting than other people who call me low IQ just for being more low IQ too by that definition.
	We're both Andrew.
	Andrew, what do you think is the IQ?
	And you're superior.
	Andrew, what do you think is the IQ of like dating panel podcast hosts?
	Oh, yeah.
	I feel like podcast host IQ is not that great either.
	It's not that great.
	I would not associate high IQ with podcast hosts.
	Shit, dude.
	Or podcast.
	Damn, you're in the same boat as you are.
	Or a political commentator, which is what I am, or a satirist, which is what I am doing.
	We're all hanging out.
	Seven hours going in certain things.
	It's funny, too, how you guys did this whole thing about men doing all these physically demanding jobs and this, that.
	And I was thinking to myself, like, look at these dudes with their mics doing a podcast.
	Yeah, that's wild that, you know, I was a robotics mechanic.
	Engineer.
	Yeah.
	I don't have to be so butthurt.
	I was making a joke.
	Yeah, I know, but I wasn't.
	I was making a serious statement, which is.
	Yeah, I was a robotics mechanic.
	That's what I did.
	So I love that because you are a robotics mechanic and you do a podcast.
	And so shouldn't that same logic apply to someone doing whatever kind of industry work and also being a fucking genius and pursuing academia?
	Like being both things.
	Andrew's running.
	So you agree with me that there's going to be outliers to all rules.
	So just because one person happens to be highly intelligent and does a podcast doesn't mean that most people who do podcasts are highly intelligent.
	I'm just saying not everything is binary.
	Wait, can you do that again?
	We didn't see that.
	It's like, again, these boxes of your one thing, you're this.
	This has been like the theme of this whole thing.
	It's really funny because I feel like I'm able to engage in nuance far better than you.
	You keep saying everything is a binary, and yet what you do is you immediately say, well, isn't it true then that if A is true, then B is also true.
	That is a literal binary with no nuance.
	There's no nuance with that.
	The nuance is that two things can be true.
	Even your viewers, I saw, like, somebody was like, oh, this girl boasting about having, you know, conservative people on her show, yet, you know, doesn't like Harrison Bucket.
	Why does it?
	But it's like, why does everything have to be in a box?
	Please.
	Your viewers, too.
	It's how people think.
	No, I got it.
	Six hours one day.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Shit.
	By the way, I forgot to tell you guys.
	You guys all signed up to a 24-hour stream just letting you guys know this guy.
	Oh my gosh, Catfish.
	We should do one day, like a 24-hour stream.
	Try it.
	Good luck getting someone to stay on.
	Thank you for sharing.
	No, I'm really happy.
	Next one.
	No, you wouldn't.
	You wouldn't do that.
	I'm not talking to you.
	Hold on.
	Okay, let me get up really quick.
	Let me get up really quick.
	Andrew, can you pitch Debate University, Nick?
	Pull up the window tab.
	Actually, wait, we can't pull up the debate.
	Okay, Angie, just pitch the...
	There we go.
	Yeah, debateuniversity.com.
	Verbal combat.
	Andrew, give it a little pitch.
	Give it a little pitch.
	Yeah, it's to my knowledge the only course like it of its kind anywhere.
	The product took us a long time to construct and build.
	It was a ton of fun to make, but it's even more fun to watch.
	So make sure you get over there and yeah, pick up a copy.
	You could sure use the help.
	So anyway, kind of back to the conversation here as they're pulling the rest of this up.
	When you're talking about nuance, because we got a second, right?
	When you're talking about not thinking in binaries.
	Yes.
	So I think of worldviews.
	So the way that I think of everything is in a worldview structure.
	So I assume that everybody has a different worldview than I have.
	Okay.
	So what I'm trying to do is enter in to their worldview.
	That way I can perceive from their own scope what it is that they believe and why they believe it.
	Okay.
	Do you guys feel like Andrew tried to get into your worldview?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, anyone else?
	When I ask you all these questions and I ask you a hypothetical and you refuse to engage in it, what you're doing is you're actually shutting me out of your worldview.
	That could be true.
	It's not, could be, it is.
	So that you understand, like when I ask her.
	But you never once, you say you're all like proud of, you know, entering into other people's worldview.
	I feel like you never actually did that and said, you know, I see what you're saying there, but you're exploring it.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's immediately discrediting, shooting it down.
	And I get it.
	I don't, again, know if that's just the shtick of the show, whatever what you do or your debate style, but the most powerful communicators are able to go, okay, I get that, but blah, blah, blah.
	The most powerful communicators are the ones who elicit the best emotional responses and get people to rethink their worldviews.
	And so the thing is, it's really interesting is that I've gotten a really powerful response from almost everybody on this panel multiple times.
	You haven't, but I have.
	And what's interesting about that is I've been able to get people to respond.
	I've been able, no, you haven't gotten powerful responses from people.
	And so here's why.
	The reason.
	He's just making shit up because it's at that time.
	Okay.
	Yeah, well, the reason you haven't.
	No, literally, just making shit up.
	Stupid.
	Yeah, so anyway, the reason.
	I haven't elicited any responses that I've been talking about.
	So anyway, the reason they're not having an engaging.
	The reason you haven't is because you won't engage in hypotheticals.
	So I can't see where your worldview ends up.
	And so because of that, you actually shut people out of your worldview and you will never understand theirs.
	But do you not see how you did that?
	What?
	I can at least acknowledge, you know, maybe I do do that sometimes in my personal and professional life.
	You do the same thing.
	You win a world.
	It's wild.
	Yeah, if you go off on it, if you go off on something which is tangential, that's not understanding someone's worldview.
	Even like my age got, oh, the flirting.
	Oh, you love it.
	It's just like, you know, if that's your way of getting into someone else's head, I don't know about that.
	But I don't know about that.
	So I bet you, if we go one for one right this second, I can explain your worldview way better than you could mine.
	You want to bet?
	I will bet.
	In fact, I bet you he could give me a piece of paper and I can write down your answers.
	I can write down your answers to whatever questions anybody might ask you, and I bet you I get all of them right.
	I could even give him a piece of parchment paper.
	And do a paper machine?
	He could still do it better.
	With a piece of parchment and quill, he could still do better.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, like, for instance, here's an easy one.
	Okay.
	What type of Christian am I?
	Just based on my responses.
	What type?
	I want to see.
	Like, I mean, hang on, let her answer.
	It's not a collective group.
	Right?
	What do you think?
	I don't think you're a Catholic.
	Okay.
	Are you an evangelical?
	Sorry, why do I keep doing that?
	Am I evangelical?
	Nope.
	Got it wrong.
	Orthodox.
	I don't know.
	Don't know.
	Got it.
	But you're okay.
	I acknowledge.
	I acknowledge my.
	Listen, I acknowledge.
	You're going toe-to-toe with me on this, and that's fine.
	I thought you were.
	I acknowledge, though, you're right.
	My objective here wasn't necessarily to get into Andrew's head and get Andrew's worldview.
	Do you actually have a less nuanced position than me?
	How does that equate to nuance?
	My view of topics of things doesn't mean you're the one.
	Your brain isn't.
	But I bet you I can get yours pegged.
	Ready?
	Let's go.
	You're spiritual, but you don't associate with a single religion.
	Is that right?
	I'm actually a Jew.
	Continue.
	No, no, no, no.
	Ethnically or religiously?
	I'm a Jew.
	Ethnically or religiously?
	That's pretty weird.
	No, that's not weird.
	Both.
	Both.
	So you're a practicing Jew?
	Yes.
	You're religiously, you go to temple.
	Yes.
	I literally don't believe it.
	When's the last time you went to temple?
	For Rosh Hashanah, the high holidays next.
	Like, what does this have to do with this?
	I just, I don't know.
	I've got a feeling you got spiritualism, not spiritual, too.
	Okay, I'm going to move it.
	I'll move it.
	All right.
	I'll move it.
	We got a little bit of a message.
	TikToks.
	TikToks.
	Where are you going, Maddie?
	Where are you going?
	What'd you do?
	That's fair.
	Have fun.
	Have fun, Maddie.
	Can everybody wish Maddie good luck?
	Good luck, Maddie.
	Can you guys wish her good luck?
	Good luck.
	I have to go after you.
	Okay.
	Play it.
	I think it's music, though.
	Just play two seconds.
	Just play.
	Just play it.
	You're so good.
	Yeah.
	Okay, hold on.
	All my exes are just so crazy, and you're kind of gesturing like.
	So if a guy says, like, I have a crazy, crazy ex, or my exes were crazy.
	What did you do to make them crazy?
	It's the guy's fault, right?
	Maybe.
	I've heard this from a lot of women, actually.
	I've heard a lot of men say, oh, all these women are so crazy.
	I've had men call me crazy, but why was I crazy?
	Because I found out they were lying about something.
	When I called them out, I'm crazy because they were caught.
	Okay.
	I have heard a lot of women say, like, if a guy says that his ex is crazy or his ex issue.
	Are there crazy exes?
	Crazy women?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Can't.
	But they're like a red flag.
	But I feel like girls will say it's a red flag if a guy says, my ex was crazy or my exes were crazy.
	It depends on how they say it.
	Okay.
	If they say, oh, my ex was crazy and slashed my tires and burned down my house, like things like that.
	That's kind of fucking crazy.
	The bitch is crazy.
	But if they were like, oh, my ex is crazy.
	And I'm like, why were they crazy?
	Oh, you know, they just.
	Why?
	Because you got caught lying.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	That's up.
	Have some more TikToks that might be related to this.
	That's fine.
	Nick, put it to the first.
	Might not be the most sane or the most liked.
	It's fine.
	Let it go.
	Next one.
	Can you put us?
	Can you show the video?
	Okay.
	Might not be the most sane or the most liked, but I will always be that real ass bitch.
	God damn, pause that shit, bro.
	Can you like here?
	Why don't you say it?
	But I will always, always be that real ass bitch that my biggest haters will have to sit behind and watch succeed.
	Okay, but you said not the most sane.
	No.
	Right.
	No, you said, no, you're the first one.
	First one's sane.
	I mean, not after this.
	Might not be the most sane.
	So you're crazy.
	Yes.
	Okay, good to know.
	Next.
	Can we get F11?
	Yeah.
	You guys are getting all the bangers.
	I love it.
	Ooh, not that bad.
	Can you read it for us?
	Play it again, please.
	Oh, yeah.
	Go ahead, bring it up.
	I don't have photographic memory.
	Letting my ex who cheated on me come see me in a new state and blocking his ass as soon as the plane lands.
	Can you play it?
	Okay.
	So that's a little crazy, right?
	It was deserved.
	He cheated multiple times.
	But yeah, you.
	You said you didn't go for revenge, though, and the universe just worked it out.
	Yep.
	Sometimes they need a little kickstart, a little help.
	Okay.
	So it sounds like that was not the universe, but you doing the revenge there, at least.
	Okay.
	It wasn't.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But so, I mean, if we agree, the cheating is wrong, of course.
	But I mean, does that give you carte blanche?
	So, I mean, you baited him into buying the flight to go and see you.
	The revenge was wasting his money and time, right?
	That was the revenge.
	Just like you wasted my money and time?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Anyone?
	Yeah?
	Moving on?
	The community.
	Your favorite.
	Or actually, I think it's fine.
	Aprons approved.
	I'm not infected.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Play one more time.
	The community is affecting us.
	I'm not infected.
	I have to prove I'm not infected.
	Oh, we already talked.
	We already talked about it.
	I already touched that topic.
	We already talked about it.
	I mean, it does occur to me that from what I've heard from a lot of women who do porn who've been on the show, like, bro, y'all get.
	I don't know if it's the case for y'all.
	People begin herpes like crazy.
	I can say I personally don't have herpes.
	I can say that for sure.
	I can't speak for other people in the industry, but I can see for sure myself, you know.
	Next one.
	Hold on.
	Can you read it?
	My therapist just told me I'm not crazy.
	Y'all just make me think I'm crazy when I call shit out.
	This is men's favorite thing to do.
	When you call them out on something, just like, you know, oh, all my exes are crazy.
	You call them out on something.
	You're automatically crazy.
	You're delusional.
	You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
	Okay.
	And that's up.
	Okay, next.
	Anything else to comment on that?
	What?
	Hold on.
	Before you play it, pause.
	No music.
	I don't know how this has anything to do with any topics we've talked about today, but okay.
	Well, it's.
	Is there music on this one?
	Or is it?
	I didn't hear music.
	I just thought you wanted to.
	Just unmute it.
	Let's just hear.
	You having an unnatural allegiance to losers does not like you.
	So my play it again.
	Play it again.
	Just my before bedtime Seraquil conversations.
	Hold on, no audio, no audio, please.
	Okay, my before bedtime Seraquil conversations with myself.
	Seraquil is what?
	A medication I shouldn't I take for my bipolar.
	Okay, it's an antipsychotic medication.
	People also take it, for example, for schizophrenia.
	Are you trying to make the argument that I'm insane?
	No, but I mean, you had a TikTok before about how people can't make a funny joke.
	Oh, I'm crazy.
	Well, I mean, maybe I'm being like, it's a bit of the tism, but you think it's a mental ablist to attack me for the medication I take for my mental health.
	Hold on, that's not even what I'm doing.
	But you had this thing where it's like you've admitted to being not so sane.
	You have a TikTok where you're like blaming men who say, my ex is crazy.
	You can't be funny, apparently.
	No, go ahead.
	Damn, that was misogynistic.
	That was a crazy.
	How could you say that, bro?
	I'm a feminist over here.
	Of course, women can be funny.
	Why are you being all misogynistic?
	Oh, no, I just thought that was interesting.
	On one hand, you're like, red flag, get out of here.
	If a guy says his exes are crazy, you kind of admitted to being crazy.
	What does that have to do with a man making me think I'm crazy for catching them cheating?
	Well, that's okay.
	That's different.
	But that is literally what I've been talking about.
	What the basis of my videos have been.
	So if you want to argue the fact that, oh, I'm crazy?
	Yeah, sure, I'm crazy.
	Are they wrong in their statement that, oh, my ex is crazy?
	But why?
	Okay, so here's the question.
	Here's the question.
	Okay.
	So one of your exes meets.
	Sure.
	What was it?
	200, 300?
	A million.
	Okay.
	Everyone.
	So one of your exes.
	One of your, let me ask you a question.
	One of your exes meets a new girl and they somehow start talking about previous relationships.
	And he drops the, my ex was crazy on her.
	In that situation, would it be, would she, would he be right to say that?
	In the con, what was I crazy about?
	You can't just make a general statement.
	Oh, she was crazy.
	Yeah, I'm fucking crazy.
	I say that all over the internet.
	Right, but like I am crazy.
	But what, why am I crazy?
	Because anyone who knows me in my personal life, I'm very, I mind my business.
	I'm very fucking chill.
	The only time people have problems with me is when I call them out for their hypocritical.
	I'm not talking to you.
	We're cool.
	We're copacetic.
	I'm not talking to you.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Are we copacetic?
	Sure.
	We're copacetic?
	Sure.
	Tell me we're copacetic.
	We're copacetic.
	Okay, good.
	Okay.
	Just checking.
	I wanted to check.
	I wasn't sure.
	I wanted.
	Now you lost me.
	I lost my training.
	Are we not copacetic?
	We're not copacetic.
	I'm not copacetic.
	Good.
	So I guess so.
	Would the girl, the new girl in this situation who's going out with your ex, he's like, yo, my ex is crazy talking about you.
	Should she be like, whoa, red flag, he said his ex is crazy or is it valid?
	Up to her.
	However she wants to.
	I don't know where I'm going to proceed with this one.
	All right, next.
	So then he says to me, what's your problem?
	Pause it.
	Watch my fucking.
	No audio and then just pause it.
	Can you read it?
	When the man.
	When the man that used, lied to and played me for months ratted on himself by accident to me.
	And to cover up his lies, he tells people, I sexually harassed him as an excuse to sleeping with me to save his ass.
	I already went over this.
	Okay, I don't know.
	Oh, big sass energy.
	Big sass energy donated $200.
	Checkmate, bitch is crazy.
	She knows it.
	High-value men know it.
	She hates things.
	Of course they know it.
	I fucking told them, bitch.
	That's why she plays in the gutter.
	A. Is this LPE?
	Dumbass.
	Of course they know it.
	I tell everyone I'm crazy.
	Can you not understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?
	Jesus fucking Christ.
	Is this LPE?
	Big Sass Energy.
	Is this LPE?
	Excuse me, is this LPE?
	Okay, next one.
	When your car declines at therapy and they bring in the ex that introduced you to age, so like heroin.
	Mm-hmm.
	I'm 10 years clean.
	Oh, cool.
	Congrats.
	Congrats.
	Do you have the, do you go to, what's it called?
	No, I left the country and got clean cold turkey.
	Okay.
	Congrats.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	My Roman Empire is how I ever thought I deserved anything less than everything.
	Is how I ever thought I deserved.
	Do you deserve everything thing?
	Yes.
	I feel like I am deserving of anything I want and can achieve.
	Why not?
	So is everyone else?
	Are all women deserving of everything?
	Yeah.
	I mean, am I deserving of everything?
	Sure.
	Why not?
	If you feel like you've put the work in to be the best possible version of yourself you can be, why not?
	I gotta lose some weight.
	I'm definitely not there yet.
	That has nothing to do with it.
	Oh, but I'm not the best possible version of me.
	But, like, hold on.
	I can help you out, Brian.
	Huh?
	I can help you out.
	With what?
	Your weight.
	This isn't necessarily pertaining to like looks.
	That is pertaining to the treatment I allow people to give me, the treatment I take from people.
	But you say deserve everything.
	Deserve everything.
	Like literally.
	Happiness, love, respect.
	But you mean literally everything or like figuratively everything?
	Figuratively.
	Not literally.
	It's like.
	If I want everything, I can fucking go and achieve everything if I really want to.
	That's a little.
	I don't fucking want everything.
	That sounds a little stressful.
	I have enough on my part.
	No, you can't get everything right.
	Say, yeah, you're not.
	But we're not analyzing our women are available.
	This is some of the things.
	I was just trying to distinguish if it's materialism that you're after.
	Non-materialism.
	Yeah.
	So you're saying that you're deserving of love, respect, that type of thing.
	Non-materialistic concepts.
	All right.
	Next.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	My Instagram video.
	Oh, we got an Instagram video from her.
	Then we got more notes from Luna.
	Taylor?
	I have no idea.
	Also, how come Andrew didn't have to take off his shoes than we did, Brian?
	Explain yourself.
	Explain yourself.
	I had some bomb shit.
	I know we don't see this.
	We actually should have made Andrew take off his shoes.
	Because if I piss too many women off in here, I might have to run.
	Yeah, it's true.
	And I'm outnumbered, right?
	Instagram video?
	Let's go.
	Can we make it one bigger?
	Yes, make men great again.
	Audio on?
	Yes, audio on this one.
	You need proof that the men in her society are a goddamn mess.
	Look no further.
	Because it feels like we have the polarity right now, right?
	We have people like the Harrison Buckers, who may as well be a betting proper spokesperson.
	And then we have Andrew Tate, who, you know, alleged, battle throwing the alleged woman beater, basically.
	I've seen the video, sweetie, okay?
	And this guy thinks his idea of masculinity and discerning your role as a masculine man is literally inseminating any walking, breathing thing on the planet, right?
	So if you need.
	Pause it.
	So, okay, there's a couple things we won't get into there.
	But at the very beginning, you said men are a mess.
	So can you expand on that?
	What I was saying, they're not all a mess.
	Should I specify again that I love men?
	It's like the fifth time, fifth times a charm.
	One more time.
	No, it's what I've said on this show.
	Of course, they're not all a mess, but it's what I was saying.
	How, you know, they're lost in the sauce, lost their footing around their own identity themselves, how to interact with women.
	These obviously, I by no means, and I say this in the full show, I'm saying every man is in one of these camps, right?
	These are obviously extreme examples in our society, but both of them have big, you know, followings and people who, you know.
	How's Butker extreme?
	He didn't even say anything extreme.
	Well, I have defended him at the time saying, look, it's the guy's point of view.
	Let him live.
	Like, stop crucifying him.
	But I took issue with the fact that he gave this speech.
	And again, like, dude, take the moment to address the men.
	Like, he's addressing the women and he's like, yeah, I would venture to guess, you know, you women want to pursue this, this, this, career-wise.
	But at the end of the day, you all just want to be wives and mothers.
	And I stand by what I said at the time.
	It's like, it's just to me a very traditional, puritanical, archaic way of looking at the world.
	And, you know, well, it's non-puritanical.
	Well, I know, because we know where you stand on all of this.
	So.
	No, no, no.
	I mean, even from his worldview, it's non-puritanical.
	So Butker's a Catholic.
	So Butker thinks, he thinks in terms of teleology, he thinks in purpose.
	So, right?
	That's Catholicism, Roman Catholicism.
	That's moving towards teleology.
	So he says, from his worldview, the fulfillment of purpose of men is X.
	And for women, it's X.
	So your highest value, your highest purpose to God and man is this purpose.
	And the purpose is to be a good wife, mother, this, and that.
	In exchange for that, all of society and God will value you.
	All right, you just made my point.
	How did that prove your point?
	Because I said it's a puritanical world.
	That's not Puritan.
	Puritanism.
	Puritanism is the opposite of this.
	Puritanism is like this bizarre concept of semi-sweet chocolate and shit like that.
	Puritanism is Protestant prattle.
	That has nothing to do with a Roman Catholic.
	You're trying to poke holes in my thing, and I know what I'm saying.
	And again, like everything I've said today, common sense people will know exactly what I'm saying.
	No, I don't know.
	And you have to remember, at the time, you can go in the full show and watch it.
	I wasn't like, this fucking idiot.
	I was like, guys, back off.
	It's his point of view, right?
	And Butker is a Catholic.
	Catholics drink.
	Catholics, I mean, like, what do you need?
	There's not Puritans.
	But to assume he's saying it's his opinion and it's rooted, right?
	In faith, religion, these traditional views and values.
	That's okay.
	I'm just saying he's saying the highest calling for a woman is to be a wife, a mother.
	But that simply eradicates all of the other amazing things.
	I personally, I find I'm not a wife or mother yet.
	I can't wait to be.
	But I have just as equal passion in what I do.
	So to me, it's just archaic.
	It's like, it just feels like Betty Crocker.
	You know, it's just like being a wife and mother.
	And so, you know, again, I don't think it's the gospel.
	I could see validity in what he's saying.
	Of course, that women have that.
	Yeah.
	Nature, um, natural, you know, nurturing tendencies to want those things.
	And I had actually a debate with a woman on my show about this.
	Like, do most women, at the end of the day, as much as everyone here all day long, feminists, yeah, I don't need men, at the end of the day, is that something that we all want on some level?
	Maybe, yeah.
	So I'm not discrediting him, but I also think, you know, it's a little archaic to want to say, women, you guys are going to be happiest doing this and this.
	It's a little like, okay, it's a little 1950s to me.
	That's all.
	You don't have to get bent on it.
	So from, again, from his perspective, and this can't be a Puritan.
	Catholics drink, Catholics smoke, Catholics smoke cigars.
	They do the opposite of what is called Puritanism.
	Okay?
	The opposite.
	They're not Puritans.
	Now you can say so much rooted in what's bad and sin and rules.
	Remember the interrupting thing?
	Right?
	How I do it?
	Not you, though?
	Just saying.
	So, when you rewind it, you'll see.
	But anyway, I just wanted to point that out as an example.
	But in any case, when you're talking about purpose from his perspective, right?
	He's not saying any of these other contributions are not valuable.
	You're not saying that's not valuable to be in the sciences if you're a woman.
	It's not valuable for you to do X thing as a woman.
	He's saying the highest purpose higher than all other purposes is this.
	No, you say, you made a natural law argument.
	He said, yeah, naturally they like it.
	No, it's not, it's not that you're saying.
	He said he said that's his, that's his opinion, which many share of a woman's highest calling with God.
	I said, that is his opinion.
	You just regurgitated what I said.
	No, you actually said it's natural.
	You were moving into a this is natural.
	You said, is there an element of it that every woman, right?
	You could be the most career go getting, yeah, I don't need no man, blah, blah, blah.
	Deep down, is that what women really want?
	Do women, at the end of the day, maybe they do want to have a family?
	Yes, maybe.
	This is the nuance I'm talking about.
	It's like, okay, both things can be true, right?
	Okay, maybe, actually, oh, fuck, maybe all women do.
	Maybe women at the deep down, I don't know why.
	I'm kind of validating your thing, so I don't know why you're being weird.
	So we're moving on.
	So then I just got one last question on it.
	Okay.
	So then, do you think that society's gotten better as the nuclear family's broken down?
	I'm for the again, why does it have to be one or the other?
	I grew up in a nuclear family where my mom was a fucking boss.
	So why does it have to be that?
	And again, then on the other end, I know people who were like in light of the Herits and Buckard things were like, you know what?
	I had a stay-at-home mom.
	It was the best thing that ever happened.
	Both things can be true.
	And I agree with the nuclear family thing.
	I've said that throughout the show.
	So has society gotten better as the nuclear family has broken down or worse?
	There's so many factors that go into it.
	I would say overall, no.
	But why is that predicated on women being home and making banana bread?
	Because that's what the nuclear family is.
	The nuclear family is the woman stays at home and the man doesn't work.
	That's not what a nuclear family is.
	Then what is a nuclear family?
	A solid, what you were saying earlier, mother and father who are together.
	Why does she have, like, your argument makes no sense?
	Yes, it won't be.
	Can you Google Brian nuclear family?
	And in what part of the definition does it say the woman has to stay home?
	Well, it's not a must.
	It's an optimization.
	When you talk about the breakdown of society, I agree.
	And it's more than just a nuclear family.
	Now we have gender norms going all wacky.
	We have things that you and I can probably agree on.
	Like there are so many things that go into play than a woman being home to make apple pie.
	Like.
	Yeah.
	So as women have not been home as much making the apple pie in the nuclear family, and you would agree that most women who were in a nuclear family when it was a nuclear family were at home, right?
	How many of them?
	Just stop obfuscating every fucking question answer.
	Stop obfuscating.
	You did it.
	Stop.
	How many women there are?
	Does this say whatever?
	Does it say whatever?
	Okay, we're just not going to see eye to eye.
	Tell me.
	Does that say whatever?
	Tell me what it says.
	Does it say whatever?
	Right now.
	Just say yes or no.
	How dare you?
	What does it say?
	Is there a not say whatever rule that I know about?
	No, I just want to know.
	Does that say whatever?
	Why do you want to know?
	Why don't you tell me?
	Can you just say yes or no?
	Yes or no?
	I want to know why it's not.
	I want to know why it's not.
	Because I want to see if it's possible for you to answer a single question I actually asked.
	Why is it not possible?
	You just don't want to hear what I say.
	We want to hear it.
	We want to hear.
	We're here for you.
	Go off, Queen.
	Oh.
	Go off.
	It takes one of no one.
	Right.
	Was that an own?
	Was that like a.
	It takes one of no one.
	There were ghost stuff on lithium.
	Yeah.
	Anyways.
	I'd just like to see if you can actually answer a single question I asked you.
	I am.
	You just go down.
	You need to answer his question first before you ask some more questions.
	Does that say whatever?
	Whatever.
	Does it say whatever?
	Hold on.
	Just spell whatever for us.
	How about that?
	Can you spell it?
	I can't.
	Do it.
	Don Balonde.
	Don't say that.
	Dumbhold.
	You're so much more.
	You're so much more.
	Can you just spell whatever for us?
	I don't even know what it means.
	That big brain of yours has so many letters in it that I just know you can spell it.
	Anyway, you know, again, I don't understand.
	It's your view that the nuclear family, by definition, means I suppose the man goes to work, the woman stays home.
	So the nuclear family inside of the United States, would you agree with me?
	Can you actually answer this?
	Answer it.
	Don't obfuscate.
	Don't bullshit.
	Don't bullshit.
	Actually, answer the question.
	Stop simping.
	I'm sorry.
	Stop simping.
	So I got to ask you, if you can, I just want to see if you can actually answer this.
	Do you think when we had intact nuclear families that the women mostly stayed home or they were mostly working?
	They were home.
	It was a different time.
	Yes, they were home.
	So I was like, women weren't able to go out and work.
	It was their role in being controlled.
	So as that unit has broken down, where the woman stay at home inside the nuclear family and man work.
	Do you think society's better or worse?
	You're comfortable.
	No, no, no, no.
	Answer the question.
	Answer the question.
	I don't know, Brian.
	Here's why.
	No, no.
	I like you, Brian, a little more now.
	But here's the stuff.
	Bro, why?
	You're in your laboratory.
	Brian Brian.
	Bro, bro.
	Yo, you're flirting with me.
	I just, did you like it?
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	So.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Bro, you got a Brian and you're lucky day.
	But you got a boyfriend.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	You got a flirt, man.
	So, damn, what the fuck?
	Yeah, laid down the law, Brian.
	What the fuck?
	I won't answer that because you did such a loaded question, which you've done this entire night.
	Yes, he did.
	He said when X went to Z, when this, this, this, when the women were home, now is it better or worse?
	There's so many other things that aren't taking in the future.
	Do you know things about loaded?
	Do you know about loaded?
	So usually what you do is you load a gun.
	Usually people will answer the question, then give the qualifier for why they object.
	They don't usually just object.
	They usually answer the question and then give the objection.
	That's usually what people do.
	But you did a whole, you do not understand.
	You said, well, by this, this, this, this, so Z, right?
	Yeah.
	So that means I'm agreeing.
	If I say yes, that means I'm agreeing to everything you said, which you strategically did.
	No, you can agree that yes, yes, it has broken down since the nuclear family's broken down and then give a counter argument, but that's not because of the nuclear family.
	That's how you would do, that's how you would do an argument, right?
	Fair enough.
	So, as we go in this, the only reason we keep getting stuck forever on these topics is because I can't get an answer out of you.
	Give us an answer.
	So, I just want to know.
	You're wingman.
	If you're an advocate for the nuclear family, okay, and you agree with me, you do agree with me that most women, at least in our conception of a nuclear family, stayed home.
	As that unit has broken down, has society gotten better or has it gotten worse?
	Let me answer like a good little girl.
	It's gotten worse.
	However, there are more factors at play than women not just staying home.
	Did I do it?
	Yeah, so what are the factors?
	Yes, I just said.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	There's so much technology.
	We have dating apps.
	We have people wanting new options.
	People can't commit.
	People aren't married for 50 years like they were with my grandparents, right?
	You have, like I said, gender norms getting all kooky crazy, men being women, women being men, masculating men.
	You have all kinds of things going on.
	And all of those.
	And aren't all of those things essentially the direct assault on the nuclear family?
	Why?
	Yes.
	Go ahead and answer.
	You said all those things are.
	Yeah, almost everything that you named is directly an assault on the nuclear family.
	Right, I agree.
	Well, once I said that.
	Well, then how is it, how's this not correlated then?
	Because you're saying the sole reason is because women aren't staying home.
	And I just want actually X, Y, Z, all these other things.
	And you're like, yeah, you're right.
	Nope.
	I said it's because of the nuclear family, but the intact nuclear family, at least our conceptualization of it, is that men worked, women stay at home.
	That's the conceptual, you agree, right?
	That that's the conceptualization.
	That's what it was traditionally.
	Yes.
	You'd have to be a reptilian caveman to think that that's how reptiles out of this.
	Sorry, they didn't ask for this.
	You're right.
	Reptile lives matter.
	Yeah, no, you're right.
	You're right.
	You know, that's how it has to be now.
	And again, some people, even the woman I had on my show, she's like, look, stay-at-home moms get a lot of shit.
	They're labeled as lazy, as this, as this, as this, and we take pride in it and we love it.
	Again, I think that that's great.
	But why can't we do it with the reverse with women who are out working and adding and contributing to society while also being a mother?
	It's like, again, both things can be true.
	That's true.
	But traditions are experiments which work.
	That's why they're traditions.
	Because religion keeps people so excited.
	It just lets you go.
	Well, hang on.
	I'm going to answer all of these questions, okay, in sequence.
	Yes.
	All traditions are experiments which work or they wouldn't be traditions, right?
	They do them over and over and over and over and over again because it works.
	When it comes to religion and control, yes, of course, religion's a phenomenal control for society.
	Of course it is.
	Oh, buddy.
	At least that you can acknowledge.
	I'll give you this, that you can acknowledge that it is control and that it has, that's why it was.
	Yeah, but I'm a big fan of controlling society through religion.
	That's great.
	This is why it's so early.
	This is bringing us way back to earlier, like 10 weeks ago when we started this podcast.
	Not to go into the weeds of this now, but that's why I asked if you were a socialist communist, because you're so about control versus the individual man.
	Not to get deep in political, I'm just positive.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	That's libertarian nonsense.
	So, no, not only am I not a communist, loathe socialists, but I also really loathe libertarians who have a, from my opinion, terrible worldview.
	Why?
	So I'm going to explain it.
	Okay.
	And I'm just going to ask you one question.
	I won't interrupt.
	Okay.
	But I want you to give me your word.
	You'll answer the question.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Should the state enforce whether or not a brother and sister can have sex with each other?
	Damn, bro.
	Why are you going to do that?
	Ah.
	That's crazy.
	That is crazy.
	That's crazy.
	No, but it's done.
	Yeah.
	We've got to move things on, boys.
	Just enforce it.
	Should they enforce it?
	Should they enforce against it like they do right now, right this second, the state says if you do that, straight to jail.
	Is that okay for the state to do?
	As gross as that is, I don't think that's okay.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, now if you want to know why I'm not a libertarian, it's because of fucking whackadoo takes like that.
	Wackadoo.
	Oh, we can't stop, we can't stop you from having your incest, baby.
	Sorry, we're libertarians over here.
	Control go too far to what end?
	If you're so bent on control.
	Oh, Mike, can you guys wrap?
	I'm sorry.
	I mean to be rude, but like 30 seconds each, so I can try to wrap this up.
	Yeah, so when you're talking about that question, you would ask it the same way in reverse.
	When does no control become a problem?
	I do.
	So just because anarchy.
	Yeah, so when is that delineation?
	You couldn't answer, right?
	You can't answer exactly when there would be a delineating point between too much and not enough.
	So it's actually an unfair question for a libertarian to ask that the other way, right?
	There's no way you could possibly answer it.
	But we can say that there is a delineation point somewhere within there, which would comport to reason.
	What that would be exactly, very difficult for us to ID.
	But we know that there really isn't much of an objection or problem or libertarians out there with signs saying, let the brothers and sisters have babies.
	Because they don't care if the state enforces that.
	They don't actually care.
	But people have to deal with their own consequences, right?
	And so that's where it comes.
	Brian wants to move on.
	So that's a whole other thing, but yes.
	And by the way, don't conflate it with like, yeah, fuck your sister.
	Like, no.
	Well, I think an absence of enforcement is a contribution to enabling.
	I mean, how isn't it?
	You know, like, as I say, okay, it's not illegal for you to shoot up heroin on the street, but we're not going to stop you.
	How's that not really a contribution towards letting people do that?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I need to finish a few notes here.
	Alex Kane, you said your dating life is pretty uneventful.
	You haven't been in many relationships.
	I'm more focused on living life and finding myself in this current moment in time.
	Period.
	I said that.
	Wow.
	We definitely didn't get that on camera, but period, I said that.
	Sorry.
	No, it's funny.
	I'm just nervous.
	They just do it after every sentence.
	It's cool.
	It's cool.
	I didn't mean to make fun of you.
	That's okay.
	I'm not.
	You have a $9.99 tattoo.
	I do.
	It's a little ghost in a jar for $10.
	Oh, can they see it?
	Yeah.
	It's a little ghost in a jar for $10.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought it was like...
	Or $9.99, I guess.
	I thought it was like an OF reference or something.
	It does look like a sperm, Loki, if y'all can see that.
	I've heard that at least.
	Now, when you say you're focused on living life and finding yourself in this current moment in time, like your journey.
	I wouldn't say I'm on a journey.
	And it opens to your journey, of course.
	I respect your journey.
	But I mean, I wouldn't say I'm on a journey.
	I just got out of a long-term relationship and don't think that it's valid to rush into another one.
	You describe yourself as a rave slut.
	Yeah.
	I really like EDM.
	Oh, that's it.
	That's really a slut for EDM.
	Electronic dance music.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Let's see, bringing it back here real quick to Luna.
	You described yourself as a succubus.
	Can we put it on?
	You described yourself as a succubus.
	Oh, is that?
	Oh, okay.
	Here, we'll put it.
	She's hot.
	It's my succubus.
	Did you play a warlock in World of Warcraft?
	No.
	Is your name Lilith?
	Can be.
	For the right price.
	Okay.
	What is a succubus?
	It's a female demon that fucks men and takes their souls.
	And is that what you are?
	Why not?
	Yeah.
	You described yourself as a succubus.
	You've defined what a succubus is.
	Yeah, I mean, you know, every man I fuck, it's almost like their soul's taken.
	So I think they would agree.
	Class.
	Is it because of the Seraquil or because of the sex?
	Maybe a little bit of both.
	Maybe it's the crazy that makes it so good.
	It could be.
	Okay, so you take their soul.
	That's interesting.
	You said that you've got several everything from several stories.
	Dating closeted by and gay men to narcissists to just regular ain't shit men.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	I'm not, I'm not really.
	That's not really.
	Okay.
	You said that the fact that everyone thinks sex workers can't have genuine and meaningful relationships, I personally think sex work relationships are more fun.
	Yeah, they're more fun.
	They're open.
	No one's hiding anything from each other.
	Everyone accepts and loves each other for who they are and what everything they bring to the table.
	No one diminishes anyone's value for simply existing.
	All right.
	You also said you think modern dating sucks and the idea of traditional dating isn't for everyone.
	Humans come in many different forms and so does our love, affection, sexuality, and how we express it.
	One size fits all doesn't work in fashion or dating.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Oh, we've talked about most of that already.
	We have Emily's not here.
	Going back to Taylor, you said you have a ton of celebrity stories and you have really strong views about modern men, women, dynamics.
	This kind of stuff.
	you said your boyfriend who is twice your age has interesting philosophy around monogamy.
	So what is, is that comes to do with the flirting stuff or is that like a little bit?
	Yeah.
	It's the idea of, again, transparency and not being in these rules and these boxes that society arbitrarily set up, right?
	And, you know, being in the individual's full power.
	And I know you guys keep like having a hard, you're having a hard time wrapping your head around like, wait, flirting with other people, whatever, this, this.
	But at the end of the day, it's like for both of us, when we see the other person in their full power, like that is so awesome and so hot.
	Like it's even more of a turn on.
	So when I talk about all those things about, you know, it's not like he's like Hugh Hefner with a harem or I'm like slutty college.
	You're like, let me just talk about it.
	It's not like that at all.
	Well, so you said he has an interesting philosophy around monogamy.
	Aside from both of you.
	Hold on.
	Oh, sorry, sorry.
	Aside from you both flirting with other people, is there more to it than just that?
	Or is that it?
	You know, oddly enough, so he's kind of challenged it and brought up, you know, like, how natural is it?
	How, you know, again, is it just these rules that society has put on us through all of these means, government, religion, whatever it is culturally, right, to control us.
	So I've actually have taken this and played with it and run with it, not in a, you know, Sleeping around with other people, way, but playing around with it in my own way.
	And it's been really eye-opening and fun.
	Do you want me to get more specific?
	So, okay, just if you can try to be precise and brief.
	So, there's the flirting beyond flirting, right?
	What?
	Which is a power, right?
	And, you know, I know the one.
	I'm not sure how it's a power, but it's a power.
	What do you mean?
	Like, the physicality and sexuality of men and women is such power.
	And I know that this woman who left here was saying, Of course it is.
	Well, couldn't I just make an opposite argument and say, People.
	This is the first thing we see.
	Can you stop?
	Can you stop?
	Can I just make an argument that people who have sexual discipline, aka they don't flirt or they don't cheat, isn't that powerful?
	But it's not cheating.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	This is like what's so rare, right?
	Which people don't do.
	And why do so many people cheat?
	Because it's kept in these confines, right?
	So besides when it comes to interesting philosophy around monogamy, sure.
	I just said, Brian.
	Yeah, but you got to let me finish my question before you just jump in because you don't allow me to arrive at the point.
	So besides flirting, what actual conduct or behavior are you guys participating in that goes beyond just flirting?
	You know, sometimes we'll like give each other little challenges.
	And, you know, an example, right, for me is just having so much fun with men and shifting the power dynamic, right?
	So I'm going to get specific because, right, men are used to the chase.
	How much can I get out of a woman?
	How far can I get?
	Like, can I conquer it?
	Right.
	That whole thing.
	Yeah.
	So I have a lot of fun with shifting the power.
	And in that, so I, instead of them having to get something, right?
	Say I'm like, go out to dinner with, you know, a friend of mine, totally respects me, whatever it is.
	I will put it on the table and be like, okay, you know, I dare you.
	By the time we leave this restaurant, like, grab my butt.
	Go ahead, just try it.
	Grab it.
	And it's so interesting.
	That's right.
	And it happens every time that they don't know what to do with that because normally that's their role, right?
	How far can I go?
	What can I get from her?
	How can I conquer her?
	So when you own it as a woman and put it out and set the boundaries, I know it's hard for you guys to understand.
	That's okay.
	When you control the game board, it's so, and it ends up flipping the whole power dynamic.
	You know how you normally hear women like, oh, you know, Samantha, don't sleep with him on the, you're just going to give it all up on the first day and then he'll never want to see you.
	When I own my power like this and it's been so much fun, it flips.
	The guy's like, no, no, no, I want to, like, I want to date you and marry you and be my and da-da-da.
	Because if I do, I know you're not going to want to see me again, right?
	So it's more, you know, mental stuff like that.
	It's not like, oh, it's a free-for-all and everyone just go fuck whoever.
	At least not for me.
	That's not my thing.
	But if that gives some specificity, I know it's hard for you guys to wrap your heads around.
	A little bit.
	So just so I'm clear, you go on dinner dates with male friends, platonic male friends.
	Yes.
	And with your platonic male friends, you are just, I assume they know you're in a relationship.
	Yeah.
	You say, I'm transparent.
	I'm not hiring.
	I'm trying to grab my ass.
	I'll provoke, like, I dare you.
	Or some sort of fun challenge.
	Because people.
	Would you be upset if they did?
	Not at all.
	And the funny thing is, you know.
	Has any guy grabbed your ass?
	Well, usually, hold on.
	Hang on.
	I know I am, Brian.
	I'm getting to it.
	Usually right away, right?
	They're like, oh, no, no, no, I'm not going to, you know, I want, like I said, I want to date.
	But then ultimately, they end up caving and doing it in a fun way and still completely respect me.
	And I have them like putty because they don't see me as some, you know, person who has no self-worth and doesn't value herself.
	They're like, this bitch is in her power.
	Like, okay, fuck yeah.
	Like, this is cool.
	And I think what I've learned, honestly, because for me, I came from a really traditional relationship background.
	It opened my eyes to how confined and in boxes people feel.
	Like, people just, the things I've gotten people to do and say, they just, it's a version of what I've done on the red carpet.
	Like, they just want to be liberated.
	It's okay that you don't understand it.
	I know you're both like, your brain's broken, but maybe one day.
	Good.
	I understand what I'm doing.
	I just don't know.
	Brian's brain is melting.
	I don't understand the power you get by telling a platonic male friend, I want you to grab my ass by the end of the day.
	No, no, I don't say I want you to.
	I say I toss out almost like a challenge because what the power is, is that I'm in control.
	Like I said, I'm running the game board.
	Okay, let me ask you.
	Normally, it's the dudes, right?
	The dudes trying to make the move, this, that.
	So when you turn it around and you're like, hey, you go to.
	Come on, I dare.
	I know.
	Come on.
	Wait, you go to the bathroom.
	But within boundaries, not just have a free-for-all and do whatever you want.
	Here are the.
	You're out to dinner.
	You said you're out to dinner with your male friends, right?
	That's just an example dip, whatever it is.
	When you go out to dinner with your male friends and you don't put forward this challenge, do they still grab your ass?
	No, of course not.
	Well, so then.
	Because I how is it if the guy's reading?
	I always say you get a lot of what you put out.
	Let me make my point.
	If your male friends don't grab your ass without on a platonic dinner date, how is it empowering, empowering, or giving you power to challenge them to your male friends to grab your ass?
	Because you're saying men, they have to make this move, but they don't make the move to begin with because they're your male friends on a dress.
	Brian, but guys are always thinking it right.
	I'm shifting the entire paradigm.
	No, if I was entire power dynamic.
	Guys are always the pursuers to conquer.
	They're your friends.
	Lady, they are your friends.
	You know, they're still thinking, oh, maybe this, this, I'm dressed over my eyes.
	So when you flip that on them and hand it and like have the power though, so it's not like, I'm just sleeping me, whatever.
	But you have that control, it's really empowering.
	It shifts the whole dynamic of the role men normally play.
	And on the chat, is this confusing?
	I'm a little confused.
	That's okay.
	By the way, really quick, I'm going to come back to that.
	No worries.
	Luna, we did a poll.
	Did Luna eat them up?
	Nick, oh, can you pull the chat over?
	Just give us Twitch.
	No, I want the viewers to see it on the Windows.
	So pull up Twitch tab.
	Windows tab, but then also pull up the chat too.
	So we just can show it because I think that's a fucking no-brainer.
	So we did a poll, started 25 minutes ago.
	We have over a thousand votes.
	Can you drag it over?
	Yeah.
	Make it a little bigger.
	I'm batching and saying you're right, Biggie.
	Wait, like you mouse wheel, make it bigger.
	Yeah.
	Like click on it.
	You have no fucking idea.
	Just make it 10,000.
	Big Sass Energy donated $200.
	All right, I'll come back to intellectual tame lacks vocabulary and refers to everything as power.
	Then deflects and infers others are stupid for not understanding.
	See, wait, wait, wait.
	Definitely a spiritual girl.
	All right, big sass energy.
	By the way, is this LPE?
	Is this LPE?
	Loose pussy energy.
	Okay.
	Thank you, man.
	Pull it up quick, Nick.
	If you can, go to Twitch.
	Can you click on the poll?
	I don't understand you.
	Can you click on the poll?
	They're not competitive.
	No, no, no.
	Just click.
	Did Luna eat them up 1,150?
	Well, you've got a fan base.
	70.
	I'm surprised, bro.
	You did better than I thought.
	24% say you, I don't think they know what eat them up means, but okay.
	All right.
	Thank you guys.
	Good job.
	Viewers hate on women so much because they align themselves with their views.
	They don't.
	Whatever.
	Brian, I just looked in here.
	When I'm in real life, people are like, men, women, watching.
	Like, Barbie popped.
	You're also up here interviewing Tucker Carlson on here.
	T-Mu, Barbie.
	I mean, is my ego a little hurt?
	Am I pulling a Trump with my bruised ego?
	A little bit, maybe.
	Again, I can admit it.
	But, you know, I don't know.
	They're just pretty, they're just pretty vicious.
	Yeah.
	What's that about?
	Anyways, I'm still really confused about this whole thing.
	We'll take it offline because it seems like you're just not.
	Well, here, let me ask a question.
	So, besides the whole you want a friend dinner date, and you're like, hey, that's just an example.
	You can grab my ass or whatever.
	I challenge you to grab my ass by the end of the day.
	Brian, you would have fun.
	Loosen up, Brian.
	If someone's, you would have fun if someone, because you're like, oh, wait, this is unexciting waiting for me.
	I mean, if a girl told me that, I think she'd like, she was interested, but you're doing it as like a game.
	But they, the thing is, I set the boundaries.
	So I'll be like, okay, you know, 20 seconds here.
	And they respect it.
	They never take a too far step out of line.
	And then they're like, will you be my girlfriend?
	Would you be with me all the time?
	Because they're not used to it.
	And that's what I mean.
	You keep being like, power, power.
	I don't get it.
	So that's what it is.
	And when it comes to our relationship, like I said, he's the one who tossed this out.
	And I was like, what?
	Like, I was always in the traditional thing.
	But at the end of the day, it goes back to the thing in the very beginning of how we always say, like, we're the foundation.
	Like, nobody can touch what I am to you, you are to me.
	And so play in the world.
	I can understand what you're saying because I've been like knuckles deep in all my friends.
	And we have Thanksgiving dinners together.
	Watch.
	Period.
	So, okay.
	So if I can't.
	And we continue normal.
	Nothing new.
	He's got a normal relationship.
	As if nothing has happened because we're adults and we have the maturity level to distinguish people's values between them.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	You're just going to do a psychoanalysis.
	But it's okay.
	I'm ready.
	No, I'm not going to psychoanalyze.
	I'm just going to see if I can't get your position correctly.
	I'm not inferring why you came to the position because I don't care.
	I'm just going to see if I get it correct.
	The games that you play, sexual or other, or whatever they are, with whatever the dynamic is, you're just trying to reverse the power dynamic.
	So you're saying if men are objectifying me, if I flip the script and I'm objectifying them in some way or playing an objective game with them, they don't exactly know how to react.
	And so it takes the power that they ordinarily would have inside of this role and gives it to you.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	But they're not any less powerful or pussy.
	I'm not saying that they are.
	So I'm just saying it's taking away.
	So it wasn't a psychoanalyst.
	So it's not a psychoanalysis.
	You're just understanding.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that's what you're saying.
	A part of it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So this is like this is common, right?
	This is like, that's like feminism 101, by the way.
	I am not trying, like I've said in here, I've had a, I have a lot of issues with modern feminism.
	Oh, no, that's also trying to eradicate.
	Yeah, trying to eradicate, no, trying to eradicate men and take their place.
	That's not at all.
	It's just play and opening our minds, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but it's a movement towards female empowerment by trying to flip traditional roles.
	And so what that does is it knocks them off kilter, in your, at least from your perspective, knocks them off kilter.
	And then suddenly, wait a second, now the role's reversed.
	It's a lot of fun to look at it this way.
	But they, it's fun for everybody.
	They're not like, oh, she took my power and is being some man-eating, man-hating, bra-burning bitch, blah, blah, blah.
	Like, it's really fun for them in a way, too, because they're like, oh, wait, I'm not used to this.
	Okay, like, let's go.
	And I respect you and you're fucking cool and hot.
	Let's go.
	Yeah, sure.
	I'm sure.
	I'm sure that I'm sure it's very subtle.
	I get that, right?
	But the perception is still makes me feel like a powerful woman.
	It's not the perception, it's my experience, how I feel.
	So would you say that?
	So that would be your perception, right?
	Sure.
	Perception to me is like looking at it from the outside.
	But would you say now with the with the roles, no pun intended, were reverse with the man, would it be so like, this is so confusing to me?
	Because you guys are, well, for you, Brian, are so confused.
	Like, if I was saying, never mind.
	I was saying if a guy did it, would it be obsession?
	It's confusing to you.
	Okay.
	Beautiful.
	Yeah, well, I'm going to wrap the show.
	Well, a guy would not want to try to switch in or switch a perceived gender role in order to become empowered.
	They don't, that's not a thing that they would ever do.
	Right, because men's version of that's what I'm saying, is the chase and conquering.
	Well, no, I think it's because inherently, innately.
	I think it's just because internally, they don't think that that actually is going to assist them with objective power.
	So, you, I don't think it gives you any objective power, it gives you the perception of power.
	So, why then, just to bring it back, do men in suppressive countries have to control and contain women's sexuality?
	Couldn't possibly be power.
	Well, okay, but that's but that's objective.
	But meanwhile, they could do whatever they want.
	That's objective, that's objective power, not subjective power.
	So, let's assume, like, here, I'll give you an example because we could flip the script, right?
	They could just flip the script.
	All of the women there can pretend that they love being oppressed.
	That would flip the script, right?
	Again, hang on, hang on.
	Yeah, that would flip the script.
	They could act like, oh, we all love this so much, but the reason that they wouldn't do that is because, well, they're not going to subjectively feel powerful, and men aren't going to objectively think they're any more powerful.
	It's completely contradictory.
	My whole thing is all about self-empowerment by flipping the script.
	So, a woman in a suppressed society, that is the antithesis to expression.
	Like, you're making it.
	Yeah, but if she pretended to love being suppressed, that would be flipping the script, right?
	But I'm not pretending to love anything.
	That's like the weird thing.
	So, I don't know why you're comparing the two.
	Brian, you mentioned some of my stories.
	Celebrity story.
	Yeah, you wouldn't get to do my Morgan Freeman Me Too story, but maybe next time.
	Well, I wanted to earlier.
	Did you give Morgan Freeman extra freckles?
	I think so.
	How many extra freckles did Morgan Freeman get by the time he was done?
	Many.
	He was just guys.
	The TTS, if you want to do a little row session, is 30.
	Ulysses, the pagan donor, $30.
	Andrew, with significant age gap relationships, man, 50 plus and girl 20s, is that a potential issue that dad passes when the child is a young adult losing that support at such a young age?
	My only issue with it.
	What Brian deserves donated, $100.
	If it's okay for Brian to feel like he deserves everything he wants, why is it wrong for him to prefer a woman with a low body count?
	That's for you.
	Everyone's entitled to their fucking preference.
	Everyone's entitled to their preference.
	Wait, I want to ask Andrew Ass.
	What if Brian, what if it was like your dream girl treated you so well, was every literally descended from heaven, but had a high body count?
	It's not my dream girl then.
	But what if she was?
	So it would just be, that would be the caveat.
	Because with the age gap thing, Andrew was like, well, what if he treats her well?
	He's like, what's wrong with that?
	At the end of the day, I'm not saying it's the same, but you know.
	Right, but that's because the idea of like that single element.
	If a specific woman doesn't want to date an older man, I have no problems with that.
	Most women don't.
	Most women would prefer to date a guy in their age range, one year, two years older.
	Most women don't want to date older guys.
	And if a girl doesn't want to, for her specifically, I have no issues.
	Similarly, when people are like, oh, it's a dream person, but she's not Christian or whatever it is.
	So it's like that for you.
	It's like, well, that would have to be if she had a high body count.
	Yeah, so that's the entailment.
	That would have to be.
	The entailment of the hypothetical is she's your dream woman, but so you can add the caveat of but, and that's fine, but you couldn't take away the criteria that would be necessary to make it the dream girl.
	Because then it's not, then you're asking an incoherent hypothetical.
	That's like asking, what if you had a unicorn who was a horse?
	Would you write it?
	It's like, well, it's incoherent, right?
	I mean, again, anybody who works donated $30.
	Pink, do you really believe you are providing a solution to the hellscape of the dating world, or are you the problem?
	I think neither.
	Oh, neither.
	Big sex energy donated.
	Oh, no, it's happening.
	Tamu Barbie, basically, you are a domineering narcissist.
	You have nothing of value intellectually to offer in your YouTube subs.
	Number of views in comparison to the amount of content that you're going to be talking about.
	By the way, really quick, RPR Aquatic donated $30.
	Thank you, Aquatic.
	Barbie, calm down.
	You don't need to have any more attention.
	The poor lady next had three minutes of talking time.
	Okay.
	Really quick, guys.
	Just one thing we'll do for this, for the roast session.
	If you guys want $30 TTS, you can specify the voice.
	So it could be like you can do a Dutch voice, Chinese voice.
	You could do like Gregory, the brother.
	You could do a British voice.
	I'll let you pick if you specify for the future TTS.
	Whatever.
	Everyone is entitled to their preference unless it's a ten-year-old man with an sub-buddy-old doll.
	Then it's creepy and it gives her the ink.
	If they go with malicious intent, yes.
	If they go with the intent of manipulating an 18-year-old, yes.
	Many founding fathers were deists.
	Don't knock a banana bread.
	Healthy relationships don't require power dynamics.
	Where did the other women go when I was playing Biller?
	Don't knock the authoritarian.
	See, very few founders were DS, just so you know.
	Thank you, David Treziac.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	Put it back to Gregory.
	I like Gregory.
	He's cool, I guess.
	Any final thoughts from the panelists before I wrap the show up?
	Speak now forever.
	Hold your peace.
	What can we all agree on?
	Ghost Lutz.
	That the whatever podcast is awesome and you all.
	Epstein was employed, donated $30.
	What if it was your dream girl, but she was raised by wolves and beat you sometimes?
	What if you had a biting?
	That's funny.
	What the true subjective.
	Okay.
	What can we all agree on?
	Yeah.
	Come on, come on.
	That if you're in a monogamous, committed relationship, you shouldn't be flirting with other men.
	You guys, why do you got to control yourselves anymore?
	Ethical non-monogamy doesn't exist for you guys?
	Your mind wasn't a problem.
	What doesn't ethical non-monogamy?
	It would be non-monogamy, but you're claiming you're in a monogamous.
	Is it a monogamous relationship?
	I actually never really claim that.
	I mean, I don't like it.
	Do you guys fuck other people?
	No.
	So an entailment of my worldview is that you can't have monogamy or non-monogamy, which is ethical.
	I'd say all non-monogamy is unethical.
	Boom.
	To you.
	Yeah, but you just got them saying it's subjective, right?
	Ethical non-monogamy.
	That would be two consenting adults who agree to whatever the boundaries are of their relationship when it comes to non-monogamy.
	Right.
	Why can't you call it unethical?
	Because this was your standard.
	This is all put in place.
	Can I answer her question?
	Is it okay if I answer her question?
	Yeah.
	So, anyway, yeah, I'll answer your question.
	For the same reason that you can say if they take a fucking guy on top of a pyramid, cut his heart out, and sacrifice it to God, that that's fine.
	So if you can say that that's moral and you have no objection to it.
	I understand you're upset on my statement on that, so you don't want to give me like an actual realistic idea.
	I'm giving you the real answer.
	So the real answer is that if our standards are just subjective, if you say everything is a subjective standard, there is no moral realism, right?
	Then any objection that I have to any fucking thing you ever do, you can't have an objection to it.
	That's your wrong opinion that you're entitled to.
	Okay, I'll tell you what.
	Tell me how everything can be subjective, but how it's not valid for me to have an opinion on anything.
	Honestly, I'm going to throw up in my mouth if I keep talking to you right now because I'm getting very frustrated.
	Excuse me?
	Because you just do that.
	You do this mental gymnastic thing, hoping that people will just crumble because you're badgering and badgering and badgering and stupid enough that we're just going to.
	Oh, it is true.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Maybe I'm dumb enough to get it.
	You guys are fucking talking about your mental midgets, dude.
	You asked us a question, and after you asked the question, I answered the question, and you guys stop badgering me.
	Oh, I'm going to rock all these mean men.
	But it turns out I'm fucking soft and weak and crumble under the slightest amount of pressure to a worldview.
	Big softies.
	That sounds like you when I softies.
	Hit that topic of religion.
	Big soft.
	I love talking about religion.
	You left outside to go smoke.
	After I owned you, I took a victory lap.
	Victory lap.
	I know I have a point.
	Once you say you can sacrifice children, I have a point.
	We all know I have a point.
	Yeah, once we get to child sacrifice, it's time for the victory.
	We'll come back to the child sacrifice thing.
	Let me let these through.
	Ulysses the pink $30.
	Blondie Pink, all you proved with your slap my butt there is prove men and women can't just be friends.
	I'm friends with all these people and we have a mutual love and respect.
	Friends.
	Friends.
	You guys are going to be able to do that.
	It's okay.
	At no point in this rambling, incoherent podcast were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
	Everyone in this room is now done for having listened to me.
	You're not doing it, Billy Madison.
	Love you.
	You get zero points.
	Warlord 69 donated $30.
	Christopher Walken Voice, Gypsy.
	I think we can agree that you have the Tootsie Rollout beat.
	Suck my dick, bitch.
	What the frick?
	Okay.
	Oh, because how many licks that?
	Brendan's right.
	That was pretty clever.
	We can agree that Morgan is awesome.
	Do you want to say something, Morgan?
	I am awesome.
	Okay.
	She's like, can confirm.
	I am awesome.
	69 donated $69.69.
	The girl next to Maddie is Pretty AF Smile Face 69.
	You want to blow a kiss into that camera right there?
	That one right there?
	Boom.
	All right, there you go.
	69.
	I love you.
	Boom.
	That's funny.
	She's getting mad love.
	From, yeah.
	Thank you.
	69.
	Maddie Ice donated $30.
	Why'd Sherid stress this whole show?
	So much for looking better in 10 years.
	All the ugly facial expressions throughout the show have done a number of time to tend to them.
	Long paladins donated $30.
	I award you no points, and my God have mercy on our souls.
	It's going to be one fun party in hell, let me tell you.
	See you there.
	Andrew, we never did our Kamala rap roll.
	Dublage donated $29.99.
	Oh, shit.
	Oh.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, I'll see.
	You're all the camera.
	Hold on, I'm gonna hook you up real quick, bro.
	Hold on.
	We're all about to be racist.
	I'm trying to go quick.
	So funny.
	I just said Andrew and I didn't go down our colour.
	Okay, you're good.
	Hold on, I got this, bro.
	One sec.
	Ah, wait, it's gonna play all of them.
	Fuck.
	Wait, can is this gonna hold on?
	Wait, oh my god, bro, there's too many.
	Wait, wait.
	Sorry, guys.
	I don't know if this is gonna work, but damn.
	Polygamous societies have always been violent and unstable.
	That's why there's no such thing as ethical non-monogamy.
	Okay, I'll play another one.
	Anon donated $30.
	Wanted to hear Andrew argue on Christianity is any better or more real than witchcraft.
	Both don't have a shred of evidence, have barbaric and illogical practices and incorrect.
	And I'm actually happy to have that debate with the butt knuckle donated $30.
	Hey, thank you without a brain.
	Your extra chromosome is showing.
	Damn, roasted.
	Thank you.
	Yo, thank you, Cornelius.
	Buttknuckle, appreciate it.
	Same.
	Is that...
	She can't handle criticism and shame.
	I am literally the most pure fucking person.
	You don't see that.
	That was a good idea.
	You can't end the show without the video.
	Also, ladies, who's Jocelyn?
	Yo, Dario, get to see you in the chat.
	If he shows up, Darius the home out of the show.
	Darius the homie.
	We'll do the bow video.
	Okay, why not?
	Guys, get your last TTSs in.
	We gotta wrap soon.
	Okay.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	Where was Nick, though?
	We missed Nick.
	Oh, do you only do it on the second go, right?
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	This is what I, you know, I think this is great.
	This is what my dinner's ready.
	I get home from a long day of podcasting.
	Just got my beer ready.
	Huge.
	Okay.
	That looks so good.
	I'm so hungry.
	Give me some noodles.
	I don't even like noodles, but I'll eat some noodles right now.
	Play one more time.
	Let's do the bow.
	Just the bow part.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	You did good.
	That was good, Nick.
	I'm proud.
	I would argue that that woman is capturing her power by flipping the script and modernity and how women are supposed to act as liberated, powerful women.
	Yeah, and instead by moving towards a more subservient role, she's flipping the script on society.
	Okay.
	I'm going to take your caveman head and go somewhere.
	Even watching that video, right?
	There's a part of me, again, what I said about the whole Harrison Bucker thing.
	Again, it's just a little extreme, yes.
	But there can be ways in which men and women feel supported by the other, right?
	So again, this is an extreme version, but men feeling extreme.
	That's bowing to the guy when he walks to the door.
	That's normal.
	That's normal.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Cute.
	You realize that they're not going to be able to do that.
	Caring for them and nurturing.
	You could see that they were Asian.
	Nurturing them, right?
	Nurturing men, taking care of them.
	That's totally fair.
	Do you not think in Asian culture that that's there are ways that men also can you know be there for women in an inherent way?
	Do you think in Asian culture it's normal to bow?
	What?
	Do you think in Asian culture it's normal to bow Asian cultures?
	It's a sign of respect and it's not just from women.
	So is it normal to bow?
	You bow to your elders.
	Yeah, so is it normal to bow?
	Sure, but we're not an Asian culture.
	Yeah, but did you guys are like, yes, that's how it should be.
	Do you notice that that chick was Asian though?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, I know, but this is why I'm pointing this out: because you are acting as though that should be here, and you're like, yes, that's how it should be.
	Oh, I didn't say anything about it.
	Nothing.
	Brian did.
	Yeah, so that's not you guys, that's this guy.
	Okay, you're right, you're right.
	Okay, here, I'll let the rest come in.
	But I think it's totally normal in many cultures for women.
	Luna, listen.
	You said that event said you're all manipulating and disweek.
	You're all this wrong.
	But human sacrifice is okay in no judgment.
	Spit in a cup, pass it around, take a sip.
	Body count matters.
	I said what I said.
	Double agent donated nine on swansich dollar and nine and nine six.
	Can we please please each person around the table?
	I already did it.
	There's a couple more coming in.
	Couple more coming in.
	30 donated 30 dollar Und 99 cent Shut up 304 Luna I rather do die than watch What are these people What satisfaction do they get from this But it's like women on women too It's super Lol Paladins donated 30 dollar She won't both.
	That would be the meaning.
	Double pin and being paired on this empowering door.
	Keep up the act woman.
	You can collater when you're all alone and no one loves you.
	Damn, bro.
	What the hell?
	Like, what is this game?
	Ryan donated the Reisic Dollar.
	Did Blue Shirt come in from Canada on a fake skateboard?
	Dating a skaterboard.
	I like that one.
	How's your mommy's basement?
	A PR Equatic donated Treisig dollar.
	Luna, you claim you don't need men, but you literally do four or jobs, so sounds like you need men.
	Women buy my content as well.
	I see women clients.
	It's not just men.
	Is it Icky donated $30?
	Is it Icky if an 18YR-old masochist enjoys being CNC at by 48YR-old sadist, if that's their preference?
	They are both consenting adults in the eyes of the law.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	Final thoughts?
	Any other final thoughts before I wrap this up?
	Nope.
	Just respect each other.
	Like, it's not hard.
	Respect each other, no matter what your background, no matter what you do for a living, no matter what your beliefs.
	I feel like every person deserves to feel loved and valued and not belittled just because of the career choice they have.
	If you want to put yourself on a pedestal because you think you're fucking better, do that.
	Double agent donated 29.99 yen.
	Harsh reality.
	Brian do a 24-hour livestream on Labor Day weekend like the old Jerry Lewis telethon.
	Started 9 p.m. EST Sunday to 9 p.m. EST Labor Day Monday.
	Kamala Harris is horrific.
	Maga.
	Maga.
	And underscore court has donated $30 in Spanish accent.
	I am so grateful that I brought an end to the Aztec Empire and their barbaric practice of human sacrifice as it was an affront to God.
	You're gonna get a wait in Spanish or Ipstein Las Employees donated 30 tapes.
	Respect each other, even if they are sacrificing at the altar.
	That's their religion.
	I can't really speak on Spanish.
	I said what I said.
	Said what I said.
	Exactly.
	Her nan Guillaume Bajo Cortez donated 30 pesos.
	In Spanish accent, I am so grateful that he brought an end to the Aztec Empire and their barbaric practice of human sacrifice.
	I'm actually going to redo it one more time.
	One more time.
	For good measure.
	Try and switch it.
	In Spanish accent, so great felt brought an end to the Aztec empire in the barbaric practice of human sacrifice.
	As it goes on a front, there's actually one more.
	Sorry.
	In Spanish accent, I am so grateful that he brought an end to the Aztec Empire and the barbaric practice of human sacrifice, as it was an affront to God.
	Okay.
	I have a last thought, Brian.
	Go ahead.
	Tell me.
	Maybe you can, if you're up to it and you're not too scared, you come on my show on my turf.
	Not this long, Lord knows.
	How much are you paying me?
	How much did you pay me for this?
	I'll come.
	He hurt himself now.
	We'll talk about it.
	You two want to come on together.
	Now, I don't know if he does that, but I go on other people's shows constantly.
	Okay.
	Frisky Liza donated 36 dollars.
	On the show, Survivor, they put a group of women on an island and a group of men on a different Island in less than 30 days.
	The women were starving, sick, and would have died without medical help.
	Word.
	We get it.
	Women are less than superior.
	We're fucking nothing without.
	Like, you just want Brian to come on.
	No brain.
	Only big boobs.
	No brain.
	Big boobs only.
	You're welcome.
	No brain, no boobs.
	Sorry, guys.
	Huh?
	F. Ooh, I'll re-trigger that.
	I did you dirty with that one.
	Hold on.
	One second.
	I'm just going to put it back to what does your show usually pull?
	Is it live?
	Is your show live or edited?
	Fuck no, I ain't going on your show.
	It's not have.
	I put it up basically as his episode.
	No, I ain't going.
	That shit has to be live.
	I'm not going on no fucking color.
	Well, you just do it live and then she can edit it.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	That is true.
	That is true.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm trying to fix this.
	Where is it?
	What is your show called?
	Talk to me, Taylor.
	Okay.
	It used to be called Canceling a Baby.
	Yeah, so what do you pull over there?
	Depends.
	Like an average video.
	Yeah, like an average video.
	It depends.
	I stream audio as well.
	Yeah, but video, though.
	Like an average YouTube video.
	You'd have to look.
	I have some that have, you know, half a million.
	I have some that are lower.
	Just big Sass Energy donated $30.
	Go on Tamu Barbie's show.
	You can get 50 views.
	Okay.
	That's what he said.
	Got him.
	Yo, thank you, Big Sat.
	Big Sass.
	Can you just confirm?
	Are you LPE, Loose Pussy Energy?
	Okay.
	I think he is.
	He hasn't confirmed.
	GMD Jim donated $30.
	Burning witches was part of the Puritan religion.
	I cannot argue with their religion.
	Let them burn.
	Gotta catch me first, bitch.
	All right, guys.
	I'm gonna get a Twitch raid going.
	If you want, you can get your last-minute final TTSs in.
	So let me just double-check who we can raid over there on Twitch.
	One sec, boys.
	Okay.
	Is Wow Grandma on?
	I think she is.
	Let's see.
	We got Joker D guys.
	So it's either Joker D, but he's not even, he's not even going to know this.
	Or WoGrandma.
	We're going to do Woe Grandma.
	Let's do WoGrandma.
	All right, guys.
	If you want, get your last minute, last second TTS is in here.
	Let me just double check, make sure everything's good here.
	Okay.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please.
	On your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	Oh, Twitch.
	Yeah, really quick, guys.
	Twitch.tv.
	If you're watching on YouTube, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	If you're over there on Twitch, guys, drop us a follow.
	If you're watching and you're not already followed, support, you know, support a content creator.
	Drop a little follow.
	And the guys, oh my, it's been two hours since we had a prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	Help.
	Help.
	Maddie.
	Help.
	Help.
	It's been, I think it's bugged.
	If you guys can, like, test that out really quick.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	We're going to be doing exclusive streams on there.
	Got to be sure to follow us over there, boys.
	Maddie and Morgan and people have been doing stuff.
	Daddy and the caddy donated $30.
	White teacher, girl, please do the work of addressing your trauma with therapy instead of leaning into it and further damaging your mental health corn.
	It's obvious you're suffering.
	Far from it.
	I actually love my life.
	Lord 69 who donated $30.
	Gypsy, how many more souls is it going to take to bring your IQ out?
	As many as it fucking takes.
	Okay.
	GG, well, really quick.
	Debate University, guys.
	DebateUniversity.com.
	Andrew put on a fucking masterclass today.
	He is the master debater.
	He is the master debater.
	Sash Energy donated $30.
	I am not LP.
	Sorry, Tama Barbie.
	I'm just taking back power to the patriarchy.
	None of your videos have anywhere near 500k views.
	Boomer.
	Okay.
	Really quick, guys.
	DebateUniversity.com.
	Verbal Combat is the course.
	80 plus video, six hours of content.
	And we also have a monthly live.
	We have a separate membership you can buy together that we have monthly live QA's with Andrew.
	I'm also going to be helping out with those.
	So be sure to check it out, guys.
	And if you want to learn how to become a master debater, I guess.
	Okay, cool.
	Thanks, guys.
	So where was I?
	Thank you for tuning in tonight, GG.
	Well played.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates and supports the show.
	Your patronage is very much appreciated.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	Really appreciate you guys.
	This was a long show.
	You guys are fucking troopers.
	You're a legend.
	Morgan's a legend.
	You're a legend.
	You're kind of crazy.
	You said like three words.
	Hey, I thought I was the crazy one.
	Okay, fine.
	You get to be crazy too.
	We can be crazy together.
	We can put both our crazy together.
	We can put both our crazy together.
	Yeah, but you're taking patients.
	Well, then maybe we can run the world.
	So that's okay then.
	Maybe we'll be not, you know.
	Dumb whores can run the world.
	Go sluts.
	Go horse.
	Woo!
	Woo!
	If Kamala gets in, that'll be fun.
	Erroneous!
	Erroneous!
	Oh, wait, sorry, so sorry.
	Body count million.
	I don't know, over 300.
	They can say that.
	How many from work?
	And then how many from not work?
	Not work.
	I can't.
	I don't know.
	I can see that before I got in the industry, it was like 27, but I can also say that I've slept with people outside of the industry while being in the industry.
	But over.
	I'd say most of it's from work, though.
	Yeah, if that's the question.
	What spots donated $30, Brian and Andrew?
	You guys got Pone Hard tonight.
	You should start debating with respect, and you'll likely actually make impact and earn respect.
	Thank you, Russ.
	Thank you.
	You're one of the guys that must have voted on that poll.
	Thanks, bro.
	So you said over 300.
	Yeah.
	Wait, what was that?
	She went, she was just funny to that guy.
	She was like.
	Oh, okay.
	You missed it.
	It wasn't like a next time sales.
	No, no, it was nothing explicit.
	Okay.
	Over 300?
	Over 300?
	Yes.
	I think you said body count.
	Like six.
	Stop the cap.
	You're a fucking liar.
	You're a fucking liar.
	Okay.
	So it's okay, like flirting.
	Flirting with the body count.
	That's news to me.
	So, wait, how many of you have to do that?
	How many different things?
	You're about to get weird.
	How many relationships have you had?
	So this one, obviously, before that, serious ones.
	How about non-three.
	How about non-serious relationships?
	Maybe like one or two.
	Again, I'm not a big serial dater.
	I either kind of do my thing or six is the body count.
	You said 33?
	Longest relationship two years.
	Seems a little dubious, but how?
	That makes total sense.
	I mean, I've never slept with somebody.
	Were you a late plumer?
	Actually, what does that have to do with anything, but no?
	When did you lose your virginity?
	I'll tell you.
	I'll say, show for show.
	I was 17.
	Okay, I was 16.
	I was right before you.
	You were right behind.
	How is that math not math?
	Were you in a relationship?
	Yeah.
	It was my first boyfriend.
	Okay.
	How is this math not mathing?
	I've never like.
	Have you had periods of celibacy?
	Not intentionally celibate, but basically, yes.
	I've never, I've never slept with somebody.
	It's a long time ago.
	Been celibate?
	Oh, God.
	So long.
	Like two, three years, probably.
	It's been drought, City.
	Okay.
	It's not nearly exciting as it seems.
	Okay.
	Body count.
	Sorry to.
	Zero, my good.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Can we pull up the photo of Andrew when he was 19?
	I just want to, like as a little, as a little, what's it called?
	There's this word drawing.
	I can, I want to, my brain doesn't work.
	I feel like you look like a study.
	Look at this.
	You look like somebody.
	Stud.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I look like me.
	Yeah, you do.
	You look like you, but you are your name.
	I don't know who that is.
	Anyways, we're just going to pull that up every day.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	You should have never shared it with us.
	Okay.
	Kill do marriage.
	Let's go for now, Brian.
	Thank you to the panel.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donated, supports the show.
	Thank you guys.
	We will be live again.
	We're going to maybe try to do the thing tomorrow.
	Then we have debate, sort of debate Thursday.
	Then we have debate Friday.
	So a lot of content this week.
	Most like Thursday, Friday, definitely locked in.
	Wednesday, gonna wait to.
	They said they're for sure down.
	They let me know.
	Girls.
	Okay, cool.
	We'll run it.
	Let's see.
	Any girls who want to be on the show?
	DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to San Barbara 07s in the chat, just want to make sure.
	Did I let all the chats come through?
	Yeah, okay.
	Um, we're gonna raid Woe Grandma.
	The one I did today, Dan.
	Okay, thank you guys who watch on Twitch.
	I really appreciate it.
	She's playing retail World of Warcraft.
	I still got a little bit of a watch.
	I hope you guys enjoy.
	Be nice to her, though.
	She's 83.
	Be nice.
	She's a nice lady.
	She looks so good.
	This is how I support women.
	Okay, I'm a feminist.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	Thank you for watching on Twitch.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	Enjoy the Woe Grandma stream.
	Whoa, wow, grandma.
	I'm tracking it where you can't see.
	So if I can do that, she's got a better stream setup than we do.
	She's legit.
	She's amateur hour.
	Look at that background.
	That is nice.
	She's legit.
	Amateur hour.
	That shit is crazy, man.
	I'm going right.
	Yeah, yeah, we're rapping.
	Trust me.
	We're rapping.
	How's the raids?
	I did one raid today.
	I don't really need anything in the raids.
	W, Wo Grandma.
	W acknowledge us, Woe Grandma.
	Acknowledge us.
	It's okay.
	All right.
	Oh, it's another whatever.
	What's up?
	Welcome, whatever.
	All right.
	We love you, Grandma.
	She's a legend.
	She's a legend.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm pretty sure that's everything.
	All right, guys.
	07s in the chat.
	Was there anything else?
	Body count?
	Yeah, it's okay.
	Okay, guys.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	Be sure to tune in for the streams Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
	Andrew's going to put on the masterclass, so be sure to check those out.
	Good night, guys.
	07's in the chat.

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