Whatever Podcast - She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

July 16, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | Dating Talk #177

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	With that said, and without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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	What's up?
	My name is Madzilla.
	I'm 35 years old.
	Don't tell nobody else.
	I'm from Los Angeles, California, and I'm a model, a MILF, and an artist.
	You know.
	I took some MILF.
	Wait.
	Big MILF gang.
	What part of LA are you from?
	Hollywood.
	Hollywood.
	Like, that's where you grew up?
	I grew up in like Long Beach, Orange County.
	Okay.
	Close enough.
	All right.
	Cool, cool, cool.
	What about you?
	Cool.
	So I'm Alien.
	I'm 25.
	I'm from Arizona.
	I work at a warehouse.
	I also have an OnlyFans, Alien Spores.
	And then I also have a podcast with my best friend.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Deadbeat.
	I reside in Riverside, California.
	I am a dancer.
	I also have an OnlyFans at Deadbeat World.
	And yeah, I'm really excited to be here.
	Age?
	30.
	I'm 30 years old, y'all.
	All right.
	Don't tell no one.
	Wait, so your name is Deadbeat.
	Deadbeat.
	What's your government name?
	My government name is Christine.
	Christine.
	What's the genesis of the Deadbeat World?
	I came from Deadbeat World.
	Like, I'm calling the entire world a Deadbeat.
	Sorry, not sorry.
	But over time, my fans just kind of like made it into Deadbeat alone.
	So it kind of feels like an oxymoron, kind of like Tyler the Creator when he says, boo at me so my show is better.
	I'm like, yeah, call me Deadbeat because I'm just going to get better over time.
	No.
	Or you're just a piece of shit.
	Do you have children?
	No.
	No children.
	So Deadbeat, because I'm still a little confused.
	It's like, fuck the world.
	Wait, did you pick the name or did somebody assign the name to you?
	My fans, over time, they just started referring to me as Deadbeat.
	It just happened to be like that.
	Just randomly.
	Randomly.
	Yeah, because I didn't have my full name on my TikTok or Instagram for many years.
	So now it's just like, that's just what they know me by.
	Deadbeat.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	D-Beat?
	Huh?
	Or D-E-A-T?
	D-E-A-D-B-E-A-T.
	Deadbeat.
	I have it tattooed, literally.
	I literally committed my life and stuff.
	And you're a dancer, too, correct?
	Yes.
	Is that also your stripper name?
	No, my stripper name is Sage.
	That would be weird.
	You should change it.
	It would be.
	I've actually considered changing the video.
	Hi, I'm Deadbeat.
	But I have been Sage longer than I have been Deadbeat.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	My name is Amanda.
	I am 24 years old and I'm a sculptor from New Jersey.
	What kind of sculpting do you do?
	I make mixed media sculptures.
	It's hard to describe them in full detail right now.
	And you're from Jersey?
	You said what part?
	South Jersey.
	South Jersey.
	10 minutes from Philly.
	Is that near the Jersey shore?
	The hour and 30 minutes away.
	Okay.
	Hi, I'm Adria Vasquez.
	I am Amanda's sister, and I'm a jiu-jitsu administrator/slash coach.
	I also work in a restaurant, and I'm from Jersey, obviously.
	26.
	26.
	Okay.
	Full siblings?
	Yes.
	By the way, if there's room, I know it's a bit tight at the table.
	You might be able to scoot your chair into the table a little bit so you're not as far from the mic, but unless it's too tight, if there's in any case, what about you?
	You're a jiu-jitsu instructor.
	Yes, I am.
	Have you ever been walking alone in the park and been attacked and broken the guy's legs?
	Both legs?
	No, not yet.
	Both legs.
	No, she has.
	She's got that belt.
	What belts are you?
	I'm a blue belt.
	Blue belt.
	Okay, cool.
	Three stripes.
	With stripes?
	Three stripes.
	Three stripes.
	Okay.
	I didn't know they do stripes.
	There's four stripes till the next belt.
	Oh, okay, cool.
	What about you?
	That's cool.
	My name is Dev Jones, and also known as Dolphin Girl.
	And I'm an animal activist.
	I do dolphin research and the cognitive sciences of dolphin communication.
	I also talk to other animals, including the human animal.
	I am an author, and my age is 50-something or whatever.
	I'll just say 55.
	Thank you.
	And then where am I from?
	I just, because I've lived all over the world doing dolphin research, I just say I'm from God and the ocean.
	So there's a lot there.
	You said your study, or like it's a field of study.
	Yeah, the cognitive sciences of dolphin communication is like telepathic, holographic.
	It's picture talking.
	It's what we all do every day.
	Oh?
	Wait.
	Who's huh?
	That's Andrew.
	You're not studying the communication between dolphins.
	You're studying.
	Between humans and dolphins.
	And all animals.
	It's telepathic?
	Well, we have pictures in our head.
	Like if I say dolphin, does anyone have a picture of a dolphin in your head?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So we telecommunicate all the time.
	And what we do on our phones, dolphins and whales have been doing for 50 million years.
	Do you speak dolphin?
	That you could talk to English?
	Yeah, of course.
	Can you give us that?
	Are there different dialects of dolphin?
	Well, the orca, which is the biggest dolphin, they have different cultures and they have different dialects and they also have different diets depending on where the orcas live all over the planet.
	That's really cool.
	Do they understand English?
	Well, all animals picture talk, including us.
	Like when we think of someone that we really like, we're visualizing that person, a guy or a girl, and then all of a sudden the phone rings, right?
	That's picture talking.
	That's telecommunicating.
	We just don't do it consciously.
	So dolphins and whales are kind of the kings and queens of conscious communication.
	But like if I were to speak English, they wouldn't understand.
	They would get your pictures.
	Pictures.
	So say when before you, our imagination makes up pictures, right?
	And then we're thinking about things all the time.
	So we have pictures in our heads, and then words come out sometimes afterwards.
	Like all day, we're thinking thoughts and imagining things.
	So the dolphins can read your mind.
	And so can dogs, and so can horses, and so can cats.
	That's why if you, your dog and cat expect you when you come home, because you already sent that picture of you coming home.
	Would you say that's more body language and timing though?
	Well, how the dog and cat know you're coming home if you're not there.
	Right?
	It's picture talking.
	Wait, so okay.
	This is a dating podcast.
	Have you had carnal knowledge of a dolphin?
	Have I had carnal knowledge?
	You mean have I watched them make love?
	No.
	Have you dated with a dolphin?
	Have you dated a dolphin?
	Have you had a dolphin and I've watched it.
	How long did that last?
	That was kind of related.
	Probably 30 seconds.
	And then I also had a female dolphin in the wild in Hawaii come up and show me that she was giving birth, which was you have not had because I've heard stories.
	I'm not making this shit up.
	That's true.
	No, no, that was a good idea.
	That's her fantasy right now.
	There's a woman who counts.
	Well, we were just talking about that earlier with John C. Lily.
	I think you were referring to that.
	That's how happy.
	No, but there's another lady who got pregnant.
	She got pregnant.
	Okay, so she heard something on the family.
	There was a lady on the panel who was dating a tree.
	Yeah.
	This is a wild panel today.
	Wow.
	Wait, yeah.
	Tell us the story there.
	There's no real story.
	There's just a tree down the street from my house.
	I think he's beautiful.
	And I'm dating him.
	Strange advice.
	I love him.
	Do you guys make out strange advice?
	I kiss my hand and I like press it again.
	Do you like rub your private parts on the tree?
	Does it come it?
	It's next to a hospital, so I don't think I would be able to.
	They're not a fancy.
	Would you get jealous?
	I would hump the tree.
	Try to come through and steal your tree.
	I don't think anyone's coming by that tree.
	I might now that you said it.
	They have a dog who has a tree at.
	If you want to come to Arizona, you can.
	We got a three with a tree later.
	Okay.
	So you've not been romantic with a tree.
	A tree.
	Or a tree.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Well, what about you?
	She's thought about it.
	Hi, everyone.
	My name is Alyssa.
	I have never been in a relationship with a dolphin or a tree.
	I have noticed some pretty trees, though, down my block.
	So I will say that.
	Very beautiful.
	So my socials are Elyssa Cheeseman, which is my name.
	I'm from Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
	My only fan's name is Hey It's Cheese, and I recently graduated with my bachelor's in fashion and design.
	Age?
	Oh, yeah.
	So I'm 25.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Serena.
	I'm 21.
	I'm from South Otah, California.
	I currently live in Santa Barbara.
	I'm a medical assistant, and I'm currently in nursing school.
	All right.
	Did you go to UCSP?
	I started at UCSP during the pandemic, but then went back home for a little bit and then moved back out and applied to nursing schools.
	Is that through the city college, Santa Barbara City College?
	No, it's way of the Channel Islands and Cameroon.
	Okay.
	But you're just taking like online classes for that?
	For nursing?
	Yeah.
	No, this is in person.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Libby Spain.
	I'm from Texas, and I'm a proud Texas Aggie.
	I got a bachelor's degree in management from Texas AM University, and the emphasis was entrepreneurship.
	I currently have a new launched, newly launched company.
	We did a soft launch online, BlueCrewWorld.com.
	And it's a line of healthy masculinity 12-inch dolls for boys that have blue-collar profession trades and crew packs that go with them.
	So, yes, I'm very excited about that.
	Age location?
	I just turned 54 last week, and I'm from Texas.
	All right.
	Happy birthday.
	Happy.
	Happy birthday.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Go back.
	What did you say, you made you?
	What was the doll part?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So I have a new company that I'm interviewing different manufacturing firms right now.
	And it's a line of 12-inch dolls that are healthy, masculinity, athletic, physique.
	I'm just thinking of sex dolls, sorry.
	No.
	No, no, these are for chili.
	12-inch height dolls.
	And they have different blue-collar trade profession career packs that go with them.
	I see.
	Yeah, I see.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	What does the plumber come with?
	Well, the plumber, we haven't come out with that pack yet, Andrew, but it would have different accessories that come for the job of a plumber.
	For instance, we have a Border Patrol agent who has an AR-15, a drone, and binoculars.
	And then we have a fireman who has a fire axe, a fireman.
	Do you have one?
	Are you going to make the 2024 edition Border Patrol Agent where they just stand there with a clipboard?
	You know, that is actually one of the reasons why we chose Border Patrol Agent because they're just really revving to do their actual jobs and they're being held back.
	So it's really frustrating.
	So we wanted to show some support for them.
	Okay.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube, to my knowledge.
	I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, and occasionally like to tangle up in some debates.
	I appreciate everybody coming out to the panel tonight.
	I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
	Should be an interesting one.
	Should be an interesting one.
	So going around the table once more, what is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	Well, damn.
	I'm currently single.
	For everyone out there, go ahead, slide in the DMs.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Big milk.
	Big milk gang.
	You got to stay single out here.
	No, I'm straight.
	I like dick, but I'm bicurious, you know.
	You know, and let me think, how long have I been single?
	Also, very, very subtle.
	I can see that.
	A lot of nuance and subtlety about you.
	Yeah, real subtle.
	Yeah, I've only dated like two guys for like six months each.
	It was trash, super toxic, waste of time.
	Broke, motherfuckers.
	So yeah, that's why I'm single.
	And situationships are fun.
	You know, I got a couple friends with benefits out there.
	You know, they stay touched.
	We know.
	We all do.
	We all do.
	Wait, so long, your longest relationship was six months?
	No, that was the last one.
	Oh, that was the last one?
	My longest relationship was like two and a half years.
	I seem like I always get like tied down in a relationship, so I've actually been single for a while, so it's been fun, you know.
	So your most recent relationship was six months?
	Yeah.
	And it was six months ago?
	It's fucking trash.
	You know who you are.
	It was a shit.
	What did he do?
	Everything was trash.
	Anything that you could think of that is trash is what he did.
	And he was broke.
	Like, you can't be super trash and have no money.
	It just doesn't work.
	And you're just toxic and immature.
	He just had a really good dick, so it was like, you know, I was digmatized.
	I know, whatever.
	We just dated for six months, but that was it.
	But that was about, yeah, like probably like eight months ago.
	All right.
	Okay, eight months ago.
	And the 2.5-year relationship, is that the one you have a child with?
	No.
	My baby daddy, we actually only hooked up twice and had a baby.
	But I knew him for like 10 years.
	It was one of those situations.
	But it's working out.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so, wait, so you knew him?
	You only met him.
	We knew each other for like 10 years.
	He actually used to sell me weed.
	But yeah, like we ended up, I just ended up getting drunk.
	This is when I got out of my two and a half year relationship.
	And then I hooked, he was like the first person I hooked up with.
	Instead of the man, it's the godman.
	Yeah.
	We met.
	And I don't even get free weed now.
	It sucks.
	You only have one kid?
	Yes.
	Just have a five-year-old.
	Okay.
	Is he in the picture at all?
	His dad?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he's my son's with his dad right now.
	Okay, got it.
	You guys co-parents, but you're not like really, you're not dating.
	You're not involved romantically.
	No.
	Does he still sell you weed?
	No.
	Okay.
	I guess you can get that for him.
	Sometimes I could get a couple of people.
	Franklin Tanklin Ebécois donated $200.
	Salu Brian at Andrew.
	Saluveau fan du Quebec.
	Rock on gesture.
	Ask the panel, would you take Brian?
	Hope's the tree lover or dolphin talking to give you love.
	All right.
	Okay, we'll ask this really quick.
	Just yes or no.
	Would you date me?
	Would I date you?
	Sure.
	I'm not going to.
	You can say no.
	I won't be.
	I won't be date.
	Do you have a big dick?
	Huh?
	Do you have a big dick?
	It might work.
	It's like average.
	Medium.
	I just like average size.
	Yeah, just a regular, regular woman.
	Yeah, okay.
	He looked at me like right in the eyes and I said that too.
	It was like real personal.
	He's thinking about that.
	Would you date me?
	I'll have to talk to you a little longer before I make that assessment.
	So I could, okay.
	Bet.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	I'd take it back then, fucking asshole.
	Absolutely not.
	She's in a trees.
	Would I date you?
	Yeah, that's the question.
	Solely based on what I've seen?
	Yeah, what you've seen.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	Real quick, real quick.
	Wait, what about the soldier back there?
	To tree lady, if I bought Brian a ghillie suit, would you date him, man?
	What's that?
	He's not my title.
	I don't know if she does.
	Do you know what a ghillie suit is?
	What is that?
	She said, either way, make me like a bush.
	Not quite a tree, but I'm closer to making it.
	It'll make him look like a shrub.
	Snipers wear that.
	I like men.
	You guys got all that.
	It's just one tree that she likes.
	Do you have a natural bush?
	What the fuck?
	Do you shave or not?
	Trim.
	Okay, that's trim.
	Trim is good.
	That trim is good.
	That's an orderly.
	Okay.
	Soldier back there, yes, sir.
	No, you don't drive a stick.
	Oh, that's kind of sneakist.
	Respectfully, no.
	Okay.
	So I have no idea who you are, so no.
	Okay.
	I don't know yet.
	Ooh.
	She's thinking about that.
	Yeah.
	No, I would not date you.
	I'm sorry.
	No, I feel like you could be my uncle.
	Oh, my uncle.
	Aren't you like Filipina or something?
	I am, but you could be married to her.
	Like my aunt and my uncle.
	Yeah, you could be married to my aunt.
	Is she single?
	How old is she?
	Hook it up.
	Well, I'm going to have to say no.
	I'm happily married.
	And my alpha husband is a sixth degree black belt and jiu-jitsu.
	So I think I'm going to stick with that.
	I'm a seventh-degree black belt and a keto.
	Don't mess with him, guys.
	All right.
	Okay, we were relationship status.
	I'm single, but I'm talking to someone right now.
	The tree.
	The tree.
	The side of the tree.
	The tree.
	Is it the tree?
	No, I haven't seen him in a while.
	It's too hot for that.
	Would you date Desmond back there?
	Who's Desmond?
	Who's Desmond?
	Oh, that guy.
	Is it because he's black?
	No, well, actually, I'm trying to hook it because he told me he only dates black girls.
	And he looks like a girl.
	So I'm trying to help him out because there's not a lot of black girls in Santa Barbara.
	You know what I mean?
	I haven't been around here long enough.
	Stand back up.
	He's six foot seven, 280 pounds of muscle steel and sex.
	I'm going to have to decline, dude.
	You look like my brother.
	What the fuck?
	Well, she can't date her brother guy.
	I tried Desmond.
	I'm sorry.
	I was trying.
	Okay, so are you actually dating somebody then?
	I'm talking to someone right now.
	Talking to you.
	I'm not serious.
	All right, how long have you guys been talking?
	Maybe a week or two.
	Wait, this is going to bug me.
	So I have OCD.
	Can you center the paper clip or what is that?
	Listen, it's going to keep moving.
	Can it be centered?
	I'm just going to have to keep moving.
	Because it's like too much.
	It's too much on this side.
	But it's going to keep it moving.
	Center that shit.
	No, I got it.
	Center it.
	Oh, yes, good.
	It's going to keep moving.
	So you're just going to have to deal with it.
	I'll keep reminding you.
	He just needs that old date with me.
	How long have you longest relationship?
	Never?
	The tree.
	Never?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You've been with the tree for a while.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hey, Brian, real quick.
	I'm just curious.
	Is your new security guard over there, the Mazda chick from the other night?
	Is that?
	Is that the new security guards?
	Mazda.
	Are you jealous you weren't hired?
	She, she, uh, yeah, that's the girl from Sunday.
	Oh, yeah, she, uh, yeah.
	She gave the game, she gave the game away with the you can't drive a stick.
	Yeah, not very mysterious.
	Um, anyways, what about you?
	Hi, so I am 100% single, Um, I just got out of a three and a half year relationship like four months ago.
	Um, prior to that, my longest relationship was about four and a half years, and that was like my high school sweetheart.
	Um, I tend to have a lot of long-term relationships.
	I've had two four-year relationships and then one three-and-a-half-year relationship.
	I'm a long-term relationship girly.
	Gotcha.
	And you've been single for how long?
	Like three and a half months, which is a long time for me.
	And I, I'm sorry, I missed it.
	How long was that relationship?
	My last three and a half years.
	Okay.
	And your longest is 4.5.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Do you have you had a rebound?
	Have I had a restaurant?
	The most recent?
	Yes.
	Any guys in the picture right now?
	No.
	Nothing?
	No.
	Not even.
	No.
	Nothing.
	I'm not.
	What about guys at the club?
	You date them?
	No.
	No.
	Absolutely not.
	I'll play, but I will never take them serious because they're for everyone.
	Because you don't play where you get paid.
	Streets?
	They're for everyone.
	In the strip club.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, for the streets, I feel like they're not going to really mess with like a square girl, but if they're going to be in the club like that often and they're fine and they got money, yeah, they're going to be with every single girl in there.
	So I don't really try to dabble in your business.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Going back to you, actually, really quick.
	I'm going to add this question.
	Any guys in the picture right now?
	No.
	Nothing.
	I mean, there's like people that there's like sneaky.
	You know, honestly, I haven't even hooked up with anyone in like a while.
	It's kind of like.
	What's a while?
	A good like six months.
	No dick for me.
	Okay.
	So I'm just basically like fake some of it right now.
	You said your relationship ended six months ago.
	No, like eight months ago.
	That was it.
	That was as long as six months, but it ended like last year, like eight months ago.
	Okay.
	So you had a rebound?
	Yeah, I had one.
	Okay.
	It was just a little bit more.
	No guys in the picture.
	I mean, there's guys that like, I'm just like busy.
	There's guys that like I think are like cool or cute or this and that, but it's just, especially in LA, dating is so fucking trash in LA.
	It's like everyone's busy doing a bunch of shit and you know, everyone has like a baby mama and three girlfriends and fucking all types of bullshit going on.
	They're fucking everybody raw.
	So it's just like, you know, rather not.
	All right.
	And have you ever had a roster at any point in your life?
	A roster?
	A roster.
	I always have a roster.
	Always have a roster.
	That doesn't mean I'm fucking them.
	Well, yeah, but you have a roster right now.
	Hell yeah.
	You got a roster.
	Okay, so there are guys in the picture.
	This is just like a little innocent flirting, a little this and that.
	How big's the roster right now?
	You know, it's always probably like a good couple handfuls.
	A couple handfuls.
	Like 15 to 30?
	No.
	A couple dozen?
	Like two.
	Well, a couple handfuls.
	Ten.
	Ten.
	Yeah, handful, handful, couple handfuls.
	Are we using fingers?
	Anyways, so okay.
	And what's the biggest the roster has ever been?
	Like of people, like, okay, when you say a roster, though, you mean like people like I'm not like hooking up with just people that it's like thinking about.
	So it could, it could either be, it could be a roster strictly of people you're hooking up with, or you could also view it.
	I'm like a one dick at a time type of person.
	One PP at a time.
	Okay.
	And okay, so you've never gotten together.
	There's always backups.
	There's always.
	There's always over.
	No dick crossing.
	No PP crossing?
	Maybe like once or twice, but not really.
	So then just.
	Because once we fuck, like we're in love and we go together, you know what I mean?
	The first time.
	We go together real bad.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And so as far as the roster goes, if we're just using that term in the sense of just people you're talking to, what's the biggest the roster's ever been?
	I can't deal with two too much at once.
	I probably lied about a couple handfuls, but I don't know.
	Maybe like maybe realistically more like a handful of just like potential flirting, slowly dating, going, you know.
	Okay.
	That's about it.
	It's pretty boring, Molly.
	It's pretty boring with the dating world.
	And I'm just curious, what's your ethnicity?
	I'm Irish, Italian, French, and Native American.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Ever had a roster?
	Yes or no?
	I have hoes.
	You have hoes?
	I used to, yes.
	How many hoes at the most hoe-ish at the most hoes have you hoed?
	How many, what's the most amount of hoes you've had?
	Ever hoed?
	Like six or seven at one point.
	Like hooking up with or not like all at the same time because it was like during COVID and blah, blah, blah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So six to seven hoes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Not anymore.
	So not anymore.
	Basically one hoe for each day of the week.
	Oh, wow.
	Like almost, yeah.
	I like that.
	Like underwear.
	Like underwear.
	They do.
	I don't currently have a roster.
	I don't currently have anyone to talk to.
	It's been about like that for like 30 days.
	I just, I've been really busy with work and I haven't had time to connect with people.
	Have I had a roster?
	Of course, throughout my entire life, I'm sure.
	Or at the times I've been single, I've had rosters.
	My craziest roster was with like four dudes at one time, but they all knew about each other.
	And I was smashing two of them and they were all paying my bills.
	That's a good one.
	Go ahead.
	Wait, one bill for each one.
	Like one bill that they could handle for their job and how much they were making.
	Like maybe one guy had like the phone bill, but the other one had rent.
	So it would just be like what they could afford.
	And I was smashing both of them, but they knew about it.
	And I tried to have a threesome so many times, but they literally hated each other for no reason.
	I'm like, why can't we all be friends?
	Okay.
	Wait, could I have you scoot your mic this way just a bit?
	No, like scoot it over more and more and more?
	More and more and more?
	And then pull it.
	There we go.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Wait, so okay.
	Four guys, but only two of them you're hooking up with.
	The other two at any point in the future in the past, had you hooked up with them or they were just one of them I did hook up with like years, like maybe four years prior to this.
	Yeah.
	The other one was just genuinely my friend, but it was very like an emotional like connection, talking often and spending a lot of time with each other.
	But it was just more of a respect thing to not smash for respect for myself.
	But so two of them you're hooking up with, but they were all knew about each other.
	Would you categorize them as sugar daddies?
	No, no.
	They were all like similar in age.
	They were really, really cute, really, really nice.
	They just couldn't afford me individually.
	So they kind of all agreed to like, hey, we're going to take on this.
	As long as they can just be.
	Wait, was this like a group chat?
	No, there wasn't a group chat.
	Like there was a council.
	They were the candidates.
	Well, you said they all agreed to cover.
	But like, you mean, wouldn't you say, maybe that's the case, but wouldn't it be more so the case that you would just have them pay whatever they could.
	Whatever they wanted to.
	Whatever they wanted to.
	And they were all aware of each other.
	And they were all aware of each other.
	We FaceTime together.
	Like we would never hang out together as a group, but if I was with one and one would call, I'd be like, oh, I'm with this person or I'm with this person.
	Like, it was fun.
	And you mentioned you tried to get a threesome.
	I tried to get a threesome with two of them.
	Didn't work.
	It did not work.
	They ended up becoming like nemesis, like arch enemies.
	I was like, damn, they did.
	But wait, if you do a threesome with two dudes, you mean like you like fuck them at the same time?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait, have you ever had a threesome?
	Yeah, they're not into like if they're not.
	I've had a lot of two dudes and I don't see how that would be.
	You had with two.
	Guys and girls.
	I've had orgies.
	Okay.
	We've had a lot.
	Okay.
	And so, wait, question.
	So, were the guys who weren't sleeping with you who were paying for your stuff, were they aware that you said they all knew about it.
	Yeah, they knew I wasn't going to smash out.
	There were reasons, there were specific reasons why I wouldn't smash out the other two.
	Okay.
	But so, and were these guys you were the other two guys from the club?
	Actually, the two guys that I wasn't smashing was, they were from the club.
	I did meet both of them at the club.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	And so, but you don't categorize them as sugar daddies.
	How would you?
	They're my friends.
	I know they're like younger, so I don't know.
	They weren't younger.
	One wasn't young.
	One was like.
	Your age, right?
	You said they're one was like about 40.
	The other three were my age.
	Okay.
	So what do you call that?
	Like a guy who just pays for your stuff?
	My homie, my bestie, my dude.
	And have you had a lot of guys throughout your life who've done that sort of thing?
	They'll just pay your bills, pay for things.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How many do you think?
	I think every single one of them.
	I think that people come into my life expecting that they're going to do that.
	They come into your life expecting to pay.
	Yeah.
	Huh?
	Like 100%.
	It's the energy of the business.
	It's what I attract, I feel.
	So what is the biggest one-time gift?
	It could either be monetary or...
	Maroli.
	How much is that?
	I think it was 36.
	It was 36 at the time.
	Okay, it's real, right?
	Yeah, you want to check it?
	I believe you.
	So $36,000, that was a gift from one of the, was it one of the four guys?
	No.
	No, this was another person that I never smashed out, but he was just like so amazing.
	And yeah, one of the things that I'm shopping.
	What's the most total a guy spent on you, if you had to estimate?
	That's hard because it's like in one sitting over time.
	Like total.
	So if you were seeing a year in total.
	Honestly, probably not that much.
	I think maybe like $150,000.
	Not that much, $150,000.
	Okay.
	Just something real about that.
	That's pretty good.
	That's the one-time or like over time.
	Three and a half years.
	and then what was the biggest one time or no you already said This is the biggest one-time thing that I got.
	But over time, I think between cash, gifts, and trips, I think maybe $150,000, $200,000.
	I would probably put it there.
	And then total.
	So total, all the guys, all the gifts, all the money.
	You think, how much do you think they're over milk?
	Oh my God, that's crazy.
	If I had my phone, I could probably do some math, but maybe like $800,000 over time, I would say.
	Okay.
	And over a span of like since I started dancing.
	So I would say from the age of 22 to 30, like around there.
	Okay.
	So just shy of a milk.
	But that's, but I'm saying like literally like gifts and shit, like gifts and trips and cash.
	And like, I'm talking about all and everything all together, multiple people contributing to this.
	Like this isn't just one person doing it.
	I'm talking about like there's a lot of people contributing to this number.
	And you wouldn't, you're not counting in that, like the money you make from dancing, right?
	No.
	Okay.
	That's that's like separate.
	Okay.
	This is just from what do you call the are these are they called tricks?
	Is that what they're called?
	I don't know.
	They're my friends.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I don't know the yeah, no, they're tricks.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, tricks, bitch.
	You didn't know that.
	Okay.
	Do you have any tricks currently?
	No, because I was in this freaking relationship for three and a half years and I just came out on the streets.
	I'm like three months fresh out this bitch.
	Like one month later after the podcast.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to hang out out here.
	See what I can do.
	A lot of wealthy guys in Santa Barbara.
	So we're trying to get that.
	Tell us where to go.
	Christina, I was curious, what's the largest amount you've ever spent on a man?
	Okay, see, this is a good question because I do be blowing.
	I have to spend money on them if they're gonna spend money on me, right?
	Okay.
	So the most I spent on a man, I would probably say like $8,000 on like one time.
	Yeah.
	Was it a gift?
	Yeah.
	It was a good question.
	Who's the trick now?
	So many gifts.
	Did he appreciate it?
	Oh my God, yeah.
	But that was the person that was really, like, really taking care of me, you know?
	So I'm going to take care of him.
	And I also think that it's important to validate those men that are spending money RS, taking off.
	Even if you go to dinner and get them a thank you card for that, like that means more than not saying anything, right?
	So it's like it's gracious.
	It's like validating.
	And I know on the internet, everyone's like, oh, don't buy men gifts.
	No, no, no.
	If this guy is taking care of you and it's his birthday, you better show out.
	If you don't show out for his birthday or for Christmas, that's disrespectful.
	Also for Valentine's Day, especially if he's taking care of your finances and like maybe your nails or your hair.
	Like I would say if he's spending $100 on you, then you spend $20 on him.
	If he's spending $500 on you, maybe spend $100 on him, right?
	It's like a show of what he's doing.
	You know what I mean?
	My problem is I just spend too much money on them and I don't get shit back.
	I learned friends anyway over here.
	I'll never spend money on somebody who has unless they're my girlfriends.
	To do the deed, you have a cashback program.
	That's basically.
	What?
	What was that?
	Did you have a cash back program?
	Yeah, this is their 1% cash back.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you get a 10%.
	Well, if it's 800, right?
	Or 100 to 1,000, so it's 10%.
	So you have a 10% cashback program for your tricks.
	Pretty much.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	That sounds like a great deal.
	I like it.
	Or one free lap dance.
	Just one.
	Relationship status?
	I am in a relationship.
	It is my longest relationship currently, almost four years.
	Wow.
	Okay, four years.
	All right.
	And if I recall correctly, it's an age gap relationship, correct?
	Yeah.
	What's the age gap?
	Well, when we first started dating, I was 20 and he was 34, and now he's about to be 38 and I'm 24.
	All right.
	Maybe we'll touch on age gap stuff in a little bit.
	All right.
	How did you guys meet?
	It's a long story.
	I sent you the DM.
	Yeah, let me just pull it up really quick.
	You want to talk about that story?
	Well, okay, so we won't go into the details, but you, on the first date, you guys did DMT together.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's always the idea.
	Was that your first time ever doing DMT or psychedelics?
	Not my first time with psychedelics.
	First time DMT?
	So it was the first time I broke through with DMT.
	Oh, you saw the machine elves?
	Did you see the little machine elves?
	Did you see?
	I did not know.
	I had a different experience than that.
	I've heard that.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	And you said that, so you guys tripped and then something about twin flames?
	I hate the term because I feel like in our society today, it's so misconstrued and distorted where there's this like, I wouldn't say westernized view of what that is.
	So I see it on a pure soul complex level, spirit level.
	We're all one consciousness level.
	A lot of people go into it with like astrology and all this like mainstream spiritual stuff that I don't align fully with.
	I do in some ways I do.
	But I feel like there's a different or deeper meaning to it than what is portrayed in the arts.
	So basically, it's your twin flame.
	So this is a DMT talk, and she's getting all super.
	Yeah.
	Wait, did you guys hook up on DNT though?
	No.
	No?
	I was just wondering how that crazy that would be.
	No.
	We didn't hook up for like a very months.
	All right.
	And then I think we asked you a question in terms of how you-I don't know if it was your political alignment.
	You said other slash neutral.
	I just stuck with neutral.
	That's okay.
	So you're apolitical?
	It was more just to stay neutral in the conversation.
	All right.
	And you mentioned telepathy?
	Yes.
	Shit.
	What?
	Don't look me in the eyes.
	It's hard to give an example of that.
	So I mentioned that in there to just like throw it in.
	The example of it would just be being able to.
	It sounds so crazy.
	Because the drugs, man.
	She did DNT.
	Now she could fucking sit in her brain.
	I believe that.
	But with me and him, personally, yes, we've had telepathic experiences, like being able to wake each other up through telepathy.
	With just him or other people?
	Just me and him.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Because of the DMT?
	Well, no, she's talking about the connection between the experience.
	Like even now, if can you telepath right now?
	No, it's not, it's never like a conscious thought to do that.
	I mean, it has been the past, but like not now.
	You can't control it.
	I mean, I could if I wanted to in some form or another.
	Sometimes like as a joke, if he's like, so I work in the art studio downstairs because we're both artists.
	So and he'll like be sleeping and I'll telepathically wake him up and he'll like come downstairs and I'll be like, I just woke you up.
	Like ha ha ha.
	And so you have this amazing gift of telepathy in your alarm clock, essentially.
	I wouldn't say it's the gift.
	I feel everyone has the ability to be telepathic.
	We're all spiritual beings having human experience and that ability is not some gift.
	It's an inherent part of one's being.
	Have you ever?
	Telepathy is?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever had that connection with someone else?
	Or just not with, not in like a relationship formula.
	No.
	How many times have you done DMT?
	Broken through?
	I'm not sure.
	Or just like in general?
	I don't know.
	What does broken through mean?
	Like actually.
	She went to the moon.
	To the moon.
	Yeah, like actually experience a I'm a little naive.
	What is DMT?
	Dimethyltryptamine.
	So it's a basically opening up other parts of your brain that you don't use.
	Yeah, so liquid.
	Expanding your awareness.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Liquid.
	You drink.
	That's what I was going to say.
	So you think that this, you know, you being telepathic, does it stem from the drugs that you've done with like the trippy psychedelic type drugs?
	You think it tapped you into being psychedelic, or you always felt like since you were younger that you had that kind of, you know.
	I started doing psychedelics when I was 16 years old.
	So I'm not in.
	She's tapped this.
	Yeah.
	Do you micro-dose?
	Not currently.
	I haven't done mushrooms in two years.
	After my last mushroom trip, I haven't done them.
	All right.
	I mean, you can micro-dose with other ones, right?
	Anyways, moving things on.
	Just going back to you a little bit.
	Roster?
	Did I ask you about the roster?
	I don't have a roster currently.
	Ever had a roster?
	I have.
	How big?
	We talked about it earlier.
	Yeah, we did.
	Terrible memory.
	Ever had a roster?
	I don't believe so.
	I barely know what that means.
	Like me.
	Talking to multiple guys at the same time, dating multiple guys at the same time.
	No.
	Orientation?
	Straight.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	So, can we run back the question again?
	Yeah.
	Relationship status.
	Okay.
	So, currently single.
	The last time I was in a relationship was like three-ish years ago.
	So you've been single for three years?
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship?
	I would say like three and a half years, almost four.
	All right.
	Four years.
	And let's see.
	So in the three years you've been single, there's been any, has there been anything shorter term?
	There has been like friends with benefits.
	Okay.
	How many of those?
	A couple?
	I would say like three.
	Three?
	Okay.
	And what, so in the three years you've been single, what's the longest, I guess, friends with benefits that you've had?
	So yeah, usually when that's a situation, it's just that one person.
	There's not like multiple.
	So I'll like, it'll be that one person.
	The longest time with that?
	Yeah.
	Probably like six months to a year.
	And there's no guys in the picture right now.
	No.
	Nothing.
	No.
	Not a sneaky link.
	No, we've currently just moved.
	So we're like trying to redo the house, renovate the house.
	I have no time.
	Okay.
	With like two jobs and going to school.
	So no.
	Okay.
	No time for that.
	And you two are sisters?
	Yes.
	I don't see it.
	He'll get it one day.
	I kind of look like my dad a lot.
	Like they would make jokes when we were younger that like my mom moves with the mailman, but my dad is a mailman.
	True.
	So it's like a joke, but they were married.
	It was all that.
	But there's no way.
	I'm sorry.
	You guys are not related.
	You gotta get a DNA.
	No, look at the little details.
	You gotta get a DNA test.
	You saw our IDs.
	We both have talk.
	You both have what?
	Our last names are both Vasquez on our IDs.
	You saw it.
	That doesn't really mean much nowadays.
	There's so many women that literally will hook up with somebody else and act like it's their dude's fucking baby and like they'll never get a test and you just never know.
	Out here, have like that your dad is not really your dad.
	Yeah, this is crazy.
	Well, what about this could?
	Yeah, the thing is it's, I would say, here's the thing like with genetics right, like you're not gonna get an exact amount right, so you're you're, I know.
	I actually one time I went into an UBER one time and he was like, oh, your last name is Vasquez.
	Like I have a daughter who looks just like you and he had he was like first language Spanish and he was like Ivadar looks just like you and my wife is like his wife was like full white, but his other child would look like well, like Amanda.
	So it's not like you know distribution of, but it's also a real thing that it could also not be shared.
	The same parents.
	So you have the same mom and dad.
	Yes 100, we do.
	As their cousin, I can verify these two are siblings also.
	She, if you saw my, if you saw my dad and my mom, you could see the resemblances in both of us.
	Like both of them, you know.
	Okay, all right anyways uh okay oh um, so you mean like a runner-up type system, like dating multiple people at the same time?
	Um no okay, not in like a.
	You mean like a friends with benefits type thing, not like cheating, right?
	Like I don't know what the question is, I don't think we really call it like a roster, like I can't remember the word, but like I don't think we call it a roster.
	If you mean like a, like a, like a bench system, like on the bench yeah, I would say yes.
	I think like everyone kind of got some contacts.
	I would say like your potentials.
	One sec.
	Go ahead.
	I would say, yeah, there's like potentials.
	There could be potentials, but not like, not like actively messing physically, intimately with like multiple people, maybe talking to, you know.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm currently single.
	Okay.
	And for the last 10 years, I've been living on an island in the middle of the Pacific doing my dolphin research.
	There's not a lot of, I guess, Pitcher's.
	Which island?
	Channel Island?
	Maui.
	In Hawaii?
	I used to live in Hawaii.
	Wait, there's not a lot of people.
	Well, they're coming there.
	I don't mess around with married men.
	And I thought it was a lot of fun.
	There's not.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	I haven't dated for a long time.
	She might marry a dolphin.
	I've been like.
	That's true.
	Yeah, celibate for a long time.
	How long have you been celery?
	Almost nine years.
	Damn.
	But do you like master dad?
	She was not ready for that one.
	Exercise.
	Sexercise.
	Yeah, I asked her if she's exercising.
	Do you find dolphins physically attractive?
	Well, they're my family.
	I'm going to get this lady a dolphin vibrator.
	That's what you need.
	A dolphin vibrator.
	That would be a great gift.
	Actually, somebody watching wants to send her a little dolphin gift, maybe?
	We're going to set that up.
	I have a podcast coming out soon.
	It's called The Playroom.
	We're going to get you on there.
	It's kind of like what was that one show with the let's see.
	It was the one with the older women that made the vibrators for the elderly community.
	Oh, I have now what that is.
	Oh, funny.
	Wait, so longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	With an Aussie.
	With an Aussie.
	Because I used to live in Australia.
	Okay.
	And any kids ever married?
	No.
	No kids.
	Just married my animal work.
	Okay.
	And are you doing your work through like an organization or is this just your own thing?
	Independent research.
	I am a member of the Explorer Club, so you get nominated into it, like Jane Goodall or Sylvia Earl.
	But it's been independent, and I've been doing it since I was 14.
	So you're not a scientist?
	I study marine biology and art, so I combine the arts with science because that's the only way you can figure scientific equations out.
	Like there's a science behind telepathy.
	That's why military does undercover stuff.
	Yeah, I mean, that's true, but the military itself, after it declassified its documentation on its telepathic programs, said that it was bunk, that it didn't work.
	They're lying thousands of programs on this, especially during the Cold War.
	It didn't work.
	They're lying.
	Well, that's how.
	And your evidence that they're lying is what?
	That you made it up?
	I mean, what's your actual evidence that they're lying?
	Because there's a lot of evidence about how they actually did locating through.
	There's lots of programs that haven't been talked about.
	Like, there's a mammal program that is top secret, and I've been friends with people who worked on different.
	Wait, there's a so is there a government dolphin program?
	It's called MAML.
	Is it top secret?
	Well, not really because I'm talking about it, but there's people who have worked on black op crews and in the military because I've lived a long time.
	Well, I mean, that's true.
	Dolphins have been used in warfare for a long time, and the idea of using animals in warfare is one of the oldest methods of warfare.
	So there's no doubt that animals are going to be included in research and warfare.
	There's just like there's no doubt that that's true.
	Okay, so did you see the movie Staring at Goats?
	The men who stare at goats?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, where they were clearly making fun of these guys who had absolutely no psychic abilities whatsoever, but were gaslit by the military into believing that they did.
	Well, there's other I've experienced situations that I've I guess I know that it's true.
	So I don't need to prove myself.
	I haven't have you have you ever heard of a man named the Amazing Randy?
	No.
	The amazing Randy was a magician, very, very skilled magician.
	And what he did was he went around and he disproved psychic frauds.
	That's what his entire mission in life was.
	Because he was such a skilled magician, he was able to see when people were making things up when they weren't.
	So he issued the $1 million foundation or the $1 million prize from his foundation for anybody who could actually demonstrate any sort of psychic ability whatsoever.
	Can you guess how many have been able to successfully do that?
	Probably one?
	Two.
	Zero.
	Zero, not one.
	All the applicants have has anybody ever been able to demonstrate, even a little bit, not even with a shred of evidence that they have any type of extrasensory perception or psychic abilities.
	You mean ESP?
	Yeah, extrasensory perception.
	That's correct.
	Wait, so there was an article written about me in 1997 with the reporter coming down to the ocean and said, can you call in the dolphins?
	And I said.
	What's the author's name?
	Well, it was when the Santa Barbara News Press was still alive.
	Do you know what the title is of the article?
	Barry was the reporter, and he met me.
	Barry?
	Barry.
	Yeah, and I forget his last name, but he came down to the beach.
	It was off of Padera Lane.
	And he said, can you call in the dolphins?
	And I said, I'll try.
	It's a request that I'll put out.
	And I said, it takes 10 to 15 minutes for them to appear.
	And so I put the request out 10 to 15 minutes.
	A whole group of dolphins came and I went into the water to swim with them.
	So then an article came out in the newspaper.
	But before I spoke with him, I never used to share the telepathic talking with animals stories with anyone.
	But this was in the 90s, right?
	And I had come back from Australia.
	And then he came up.
	I used to work for the Dream Foundation.
	I don't know if you are familiar with it, but it's like make-a-wish, except for adults that have less than two years.
	So he came up to me and said, what was your life like in Australia and New Zealand?
	And I said, oh, I, you know, used to interact and swim with dolphins, wild dolphins every day and talk with animals.
	And I thought everyone talked with animals.
	And then, so he asked me, let's go down to the beach and see if you can do it.
	So then a newspaper article came out on it.
	Well, you can understand, though, that out of all of the possible explanations, like perhaps you knew the time that these dolphins generally came out.
	Perhaps there was all sorts of other reasons why this could have occurred.
	The one that we're supposed to default to is that you were sending telepathic messages into their brains and so they knew to come to you, right?
	That's like you can understand why people would be highly skeptical of that, right?
	Well, people are just skeptical because they're afraid to believe.
	I mean, overall, people just want to be skeptics because if they believed, then the world would be a magical place.
	Well, if people believed in things without evidence, the world would be a terrible place, wouldn't it?
	What if everyone did DMT, though?
	What about allegory?
	Do you think that makes a difference?
	What about what?
	The allegory of the cave.
	Yeah, what about the allegory of the cave?
	Well, when he went out and saw the world and brought it back to everyone else, he was murdered because they didn't believe him.
	And they said, no, that can't be.
	So he was murdered because of that.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Exactly.
	I don't understand how that plays into your point.
	Because she's talking about, I think, how you were like basing your lack of belief in her.
	Well, it's just like faith.
	Faith is not on evidence.
	Faith is something that's, you know, we're governed by invisible energies.
	If we just talk science for a moment, we're dealing with gravity.
	So we sit on these chairs and not floating around because we're affected by an invisible energy.
	Yeah, but that's not because you have faith in gravity.
	But I'm saying, hang on, let me ask you this.
	If you had zero faith in gravity, would you still be in that chair?
	It's not, faith isn't part of a science method.
	Just like telepathy.
	I don't have to have faith.
	No, faith is a part of the scientific method.
	Absolutely.
	It's a constructed method.
	You have to have faith that it works.
	That is true.
	You don't know until you've actually discovered something that it's actually real.
	Because I'm kind of a doubting Thomas.
	So until these circumstances happen, like me going to the zoo and asking the snow leopard, like, how are you doing?
	And she said, well, that's a silly question.
	How do you think I'm doing?
	I'm bored, lonely, and I missed it.
	Yeah, but you realize that there could be, there's an easy way that you could demonstrate this that comes to my head instantly.
	Like the easiest way in the world would be to go to a veterinarian's office and not have any of the animals diagnosed and ask the animal where it hurts.
	And when the animal told you where it hurt, you could then tell the doctor they could run a series of tests and discover very quickly whether or not you're on point with the pain, right?
	I've already done that.
	That sounds like it would be a very, very easy way to demonstrate.
	And I've already done that with animals.
	Right before they died, when they've been sick.
	So talking to an animal right before they die is very interesting because they tell me things that I wouldn't know, but the parent of the animal knows.
	So if a little dog holding on for dear life says, I don't like your boyfriend, and then when I say to the woman, he's not going to leave until I tell you he doesn't like your boyfriend, then she starts crying, and then you deserve better than that.
	Then all of a sudden he shows me red Chinese pillows.
	I don't know that shit crazy.
	Yeah, I don't know about red Chinese pillows.
	Your dog doesn't like your boyfriend.
	Let me pose the challenge.
	Let me pose the challenge to you, right?
	Because I want to believe, right?
	I'm like Fox Mulder, right?
	I want to believe.
	I am willing to fund.
	I will call around and find a veterinarian.
	I will bring you down to the veterinarian's office and have you talk to the animals and diagnose where their pain is with whatever their deficiency is.
	The veterinarian will know what the problems are, but you won't.
	What do you think your success rate will be?
	It really depends on the animal because I never impose myself on an animal.
	I always ask for permission to talk because some animals are private, just like people are.
	And some, most animals know what's going on with them.
	Like when I talked with a cat and their human parents thought all the doctors told them the cat was dying.
	And when I went to go talk to him, he basically said, I have a really bad stomachache.
	If you stop giving me the drugs, I'll get better.
	But I do like the new cat food.
	And then I asked him some other questions that his parents, he ended up living a couple years after that.
	So I started talking to animals in Santa Barbara before I went on to different countries in the 90s.
	And I did it out of necessity when humans have used all possible measures to try to find out what's going on with their animal.
	And then they'd say, well, we don't believe you could.
	Let me try it a different way.
	Let me try it a different way.
	Let me maybe do a different angle here.
	I am very skeptical of your Dr. Doolittle-like skills when it comes to talking with animals.
	Okay, I'm just going to be blunt and honest with you.
	What could you do that could demonstrate for me?
	Somebody who has a high degree of skepticism, that's true, but is very open-minded to the fact that there is a possibility for things like telepathy, extrasensory perception.
	Like I said, I want to believe.
	How would you demonstrate to me that that's real?
	That you can actually telepathically speak to animals?
	Could I add something very fast?
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let her answer the question very quickly.
	So, I'm not going to answer that specific question.
	No, no, no, let her answer real quick the question I asked her.
	You mean Dove?
	I'm actually working on submitting something that's a proposal to prove it in a movie.
	So, with a captive orca, I'm working on a proposal to actually go there undercover and communicate, ask her questions, and then do investigative journalism and actually film it showing, because most of the time I've talked to animals, I haven't had a camera person there filming me, right?
	That seems awful convenient, right?
	What do you mean, awful convenient?
	Well, I mean, it seems that if you had been talking to animals for many, many, many years of your life, that wanting to show people the skill and having it well documented would be something that would be a top priority, wouldn't it?
	No, because for many years I was shy and I didn't, I just thought every I assumed everyone could talk with animals like I did.
	So, I didn't know that people couldn't.
	I do have to move things on, Andrew.
	I do have to ask this one last question.
	Final thing.
	How did you come to the assumption that other people could talk?
	I mean, surely you talk to other human beings.
	And I mean, any time that you may have mentioned this insane skill of being able, like, I mean, from their perspective, it would be an incredible, an insane skill that you could talk to animals.
	If you just mention it to them, surely everybody you have ever spoken to about this has told you that they cannot talk to animals, right?
	No, that's not true.
	Like, I teach a class online, and someone who took my class last month went to the beach.
	Speaking of, we can talk about your.
	You have a website, right?
	We can pull it up.
	It's yeah, dolphingirl.org.
	Okay.
	How much is the class?
	If I wanted to take a class so I could learn this skill, how much would I pay for that?
	$50.
	Two hours.
	$50.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How much would it cost to have you come with me somewhere?
	I want an octopus.
	I want to see an octopus.
	We can talk about that later.
	Because let's talk.
	That one person said family member pets later.
	Because everyone wants to talk about dating, and dating is, you're using all the animal skills.
	We're using animal sense when we interact with humans because we're sensing them, we're deciding whether or not we like them.
	We're watching body, you know, we're doing all the things that animals do in the wild.
	So it's kind of, I mean, that's the beautiful thing.
	Have you ever thought, though, at one time, like, maybe I'm just having a conversation with myself, but it sounds dope.
	I wish that this dog was saying this to me, but it's really like a fantasy in your head.
	Have you ever came to that realization ever?
	No, because I tested.
	I would give you a wink donated $200.
	Morgan is Major Babe's status.
	Ten-tenths.
	Would wife would let her hide my face to Timbuck 2.
	I would drag my balls through 1,000 miles of broken glass charts just to hear the firewalkie talking.
	I'm so sorry.
	He said, Morgan Simp, give us a wink.
	Do you want to wink into that?
	She's like, double blink.
	Oh, that'll be kind of good.
	Oh, Morgan Simp, give you a wink, donated $200.
	Sorry, it got triggered twice.
	Okay.
	Oh, that's nice.
	You have a fan.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Okay, cool.
	Here, pull up the website really quick, then I got to move things on.
	So, you pet talks, talk with your pets.
	So, it's not just dolphins you can communicate with.
	Is that a lynx?
	Do you have a link?
	Is that a make it bigger, Nick?
	That's a lion head bunny.
	I was going to bring her to the bottom.
	No, the black one?
	Oh, that is a cat that I met in Hawaii.
	Okay, I see.
	So, you can, are there any animals that are precluded from talking to?
	Like, some you just can't.
	No, I had a falcon like in New Zealand, two wild falcons.
	No, but has there ever been an animal you like honey badgers, you just can't get through to them?
	She didn't get through them all because she's talking to them all right here.
	Well, I haven't, to me, it's like always the first time.
	I kind of doubt it until it happens.
	Wait, question.
	If there was a lion or a tiger that was inclined to attack you, could you like stop it with your skills?
	Hopefully, no, but like, could you talk to it and be like, Hey, back the fuck up?
	I did that with a shark.
	So, when I was in the water with a shark and some dolphins, and you told the shark, you're like charging me.
	I said that's close enough, and so the shark just came towards me and then veered right when I said that's close enough.
	So, now you have to ask her about the bear or the man and the birds.
	It also senses energy.
	Like, we sense energy.
	It's like the last question: Do you use any tools for the job?
	Do you have like focusing crystals, wands, anything like that that you use, which is just the telepathy?
	She has a telepathy.
	We're already built to be able to communicate.
	Everyone is built.
	Scientifically, we're all built with our DNA and our cells because the 70 trillion cells that each of our cell memories have have water around them.
	And we communicate through water.
	Word.
	Okay, let's go back to the website really quick.
	Now, go.
	Andrew's going to love this one.
	Go scroll up to the top.
	You're an ordained minister.
	Click that, Nick.
	Oh, my God.
	I see special weddings, ceremonies, blessings, funerals, healings, celebrations, and events.
	So I take a lot of photos with my phone.
	So I took that photo of that dove with my fellowship.
	Hold on, let me just make sure there's nothing to us on this shit.
	Hold on.
	Where did you get ordained as a minister, if you don't mind me asking?
	Through a website, because someone wanted to get married.
	So this couple.
	I think it's pretty easy to get ordained, though.
	Yeah, you can't just $25 right now, probably.
	I'll marry all of you guys.
	A lot of people can be ordained.
	So you don't actually consider yourself then like a serious Christian, I would guess.
	I am a serious Christian.
	And St. Francis used to talk to animals.
	So it's like, to me, to me, it's not.
	Serious Christians allow female ministers.
	I mean, is that allowed in Christianity?
	Who even cares?
	I'm not through churches.
	To me, like St. Francis said, preach the gospel at all times.
	If necessary, useful.
	Stop, Somebody said something.
	Who even cares?
	Go ahead.
	Oh, sorry.
	You were saying, like, are you even, like, do they even allow women to be ministers?
	Like, who even cares?
	Like, she can be a minister if she wants.
	Like, let her be a minister.
	Like, she's not old Christian, like, following by the old shit.
	And there's lots of churches.
	Thank you.
	Oh, you know, you're totally right.
	Let's just let, you know what?
	We should just let people be doctors because they just want to be doctors.
	There should be no qualifications or criteria whatsoever.
	In fact, that's what I was taking.
	When did you get your medical action?
	Oh, I got it from a Cracker Jack box.
	Oh, would you do brain surgery on me?
	That would be fantastic.
	You're talking about it.
	Yeah, I got into my apartment on Facebook.
	Anyone can make a document online and say it's real.
	Anyways, I got to move this along.
	She also said that she was doing it to perform weddings, which I think is a very nice thing to do.
	I went to seminary school.
	I have two master's degrees from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
	So I was not a theology student, but I have a marriage and family counseling and religious education.
	Are you also consider yourself a minister?
	I'm not.
	I'm not in the clergy.
	I don't work in the ministry.
	I worked for over 12 years in the public school system, so I was a public servant, if you will, and mostly with disadvantaged youth, at-risk youth.
	Some schools had heavy gang activity.
	One school I worked at, high schools, one school I worked at had over 90% of the kids on free and reduced lunches, and they were just real quick as a follow-up.
	Do you think that it's okay if women are in the clergy?
	Well, you know, let me just say: so, one thing that I considered my time working in the school system to be was like ministry work, because it's such a it's.
	It's such a ministry working with all these kids with hat that have all these special needs and and homeless kids and things like that.
	So it was a continual social work type of position.
	But to answer your question Andrew, I feel like you know it just depends on the, the type of denomination someone's affiliated with.
	Some of the different denominations Protestant and whatever yeah no no, no.
	Well, hang on, I understand that different denominations are gonna have different criteria.
	I'm asking you this specific question, do you specifically believe that it's okay for women to be clergy?
	Oh well, it depends on the role, because what the the Bible says is ministers.
	Can they be ministers?
	Well, that depends on the role, because what the Bible says is that they shouldn't teach men.
	So if they were a minister to other women, then that would be allowed, based on the scriptures, and they could do.
	You think women should be priests?
	I am not a Catholic and and I don't, I don't believe in the Papal system personally, so I'm not going to say neither do I but, but I'm just I'm just curious right, because the extension would still be there, whether or not you believed in their faith or not, you would still say that anybody who was preaching Christianity, who was a woman, should not be a priest or a minister or somebody who had authority, right?
	So just that, that particular job title.
	You know, that's what I was taking exception to.
	But, like I said, the scriptures are clear that they say females should be teachers to other females and to the children.
	But in the the scriptures it says specifically not to have the woman in that type of a role, teaching the men or the congregation as a whole.
	So then they shouldn't be ministers, right?
	She's um, she's performing weddings.
	She's not leading a congregation with the authority invested in me by the women and wife, by the state of Hawaii or what have you, and yeah no you're, you're also no, you can give the authority invested in you, regardless of the state, and marry a person external state authority.
	That's a, that's a Christian way.
	Would you consider two Christians who got married absent to state to not be married?
	What is happening?
	No no, I don't.
	If they were, if they were married uh, legally married, or in a spiritual, uh entity that married them, then I mean, that's a marriage, right.
	Yeah, then you're giving a woman authority over a man, then you are, then you are giving a woman authority over a man.
	Well, if that is.
	Hold on, stop, stop.
	Do you have an issue with this?
	No, not the conversation.
	I have an issue with how you addressed her and asked her to stop.
	We gave you pretty clear pre-show instructions for you guys not to be having a sidebar.
	It's disrespectful to her for you guys to be talking while she's talking.
	It's disrespectful to Andrew.
	I need to nip that sort of shit in the butt.
	So I don't need further attitude.
	You guys were clearly in the wrong by doing a sidebar.
	I told you to stop.
	I had to be stern because you were already given instructions not to.
	I don't need the attitude with the eye rolling.
	Okay.
	That's fair.
	Right.
	Okay, cool.
	Go ahead.
	Daniel, if you listen back, you'll hear on our end and on the audience's end.
	Everything that goes through the mics becomes garbled if multiple people are talking through them at the same time.
	So I personally don't have any issues with her performing weddings.
	She's not saying she leads a church congregation and gives sermons and things like that.
	And there are civil services people get ordained to perform for their friend or a relative.
	And I don't have any issues with that.
	So then by your reasoning, you don't have any problem with a woman having authority over a man, right?
	I don't have any trouble with her performing a wedding service for people that are asking her to perform it.
	That doesn't actually answer my question, though.
	That's like a diversion from the question.
	I'm asking specifically about the authority over a man.
	In this particular case, if you're marrying two people, one of them is going to be a man, right?
	Yes, one would assume.
	And you're going to be in authority over that.
	One may assume that.
	There are people that perform weddings for same-sex couples and things like that as well.
	I mean, do you think that's okay too?
	In your purview?
	Your Christian purview?
	Is that also all right?
	Well, I don't think it's our place to judge people.
	If people want to come together and they want someone to do a ceremony for them, whether it be feet washing or like I've been doing the healing arts for lots of years, and I consider my ministry of talking with animals to help humans a ministry.
	Wait, wait, it's a ministry?
	It's a ministry.
	Well, if God gives you a gift, to me, if God gives you a gift, why not use it?
	So I feel like that if people come together and they want to have someone as a witness for them to come together in a union, then who am I to judge them?
	Well, I can tell you exactly why this line of reasoning makes no sense, and I'm going to explain it to you.
	Oh, good.
	Would you allow a man to marry his sister?
	That's would you marry them?
	Adopted sister?
	No.
	Biological sister?
	I probably wouldn't, but that's right.
	You probably wouldn't.
	So the thing is.
	That's just my preference.
	Hang on.
	I just want you to understand that what you're saying is when you say, ah, everybody should just be able to do what they want.
	And if you want to, you know, go ahead and marry whoever wants to get married.
	Love is love.
	The second I give you an example that you don't like, you go, no, that's not appropriate.
	You can't.
	I'm just saying I'm not maybe the minister for them.
	But do you think that there should be a minister that marries a brother to a sister?
	It's not my place to judge them.
	You would do that.
	It's not your place to judge whether or not a man can marry his sister.
	Whose business is it to judge that?
	I'm sorry, but it's not my place to judge him.
	What if you wanted to marry his horse?
	Well, then she's definitely sent a telepathic message into his brain that said, I love you and want to get married to you.
	Can you get married to them then?
	I'm serious.
	I want to know the answer to the question.
	If we need to be more bonded with animals in telepathy, if you want to talk to a Native American.
	Talk to an indigenous person.
	We're meant to be bonded with animals because most humans don't know what the F they're doing on this planet.
	So, we've messed up this planet.
	So, if we listen to animals, we'd be nicer.
	Wait, back up, back up, back up.
	Just calm down for a second, okay?
	If you honestly believe that there are people who have telepathic connections to animals, this means that animals can then consent to sex.
	That's what it means.
	That would be a logical possibility that they could actually consent to sex.
	So, if a person said they're having sex with an animal and the animal consented because it sent a telepathic message into their brain.
	Oh, stop.
	I wanted to know the answer to the question.
	Can that happen?
	I don't partake in that sex with animals.
	Sorry.
	So that's not part of that.
	But I'm about to ask you to.
	Listen to my question.
	Listen to my question.
	Hang on.
	I want you to hear my actual question.
	What is your actual question?
	Actual question I'm asking you.
	Isn't it possible if you can telepathically talk to an animal that an animal could request sexual favors from you telepathically?
	And then they are consenting to sex.
	Is that true or false?
	False because the human animal is the only one that's twisted like that.
	All the animals I've met have never even been on that level.
	I thought that's what I'm saying.
	They eat each other's faces.
	They eat each other's dead bodies.
	They have sex with their parents.
	What do you mean the animals aren't twisted like that?
	They do horrible things to each other constantly.
	Who?
	Animals for the record.
	I'm opposed to marriages being performed between humans and animals.
	Just wanted to throw that out there.
	Animals do horrible things to each other constantly with zero remorse.
	What do you mean only humans are twisted enough to do this?
	No, when you talk about the sex with animals, that's not really a subject that I even care about.
	Well, I understand you don't care about it.
	I don't really.
	Do you understand that if, so here's the argument against the sex with animals, is that animals can't consent?
	But in your case, you're saying that animals can actually speak to you.
	If that's true and you actually believe that that's true, then isn't it logically possible that there are people who have animals speaking into their brain consenting to sex?
	Not in my world.
	There's animals that do fuck people, though.
	Like, fuck the girl.
	There's people that fuck animals.
	People that fuck horses.
	They're like, yeah, animals aren't demented or weird or I think it's human.
	A dog will hunt you.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, humans imposing.
	I feel like in those scenarios, a lot of the times, I feel like the animals are being kind of forced into that situation.
	Yeah, but the dolphin, are we talking about the lady who is living in the middle of the woman?
	Yeah, what about that?
	Okay, she wanted that.
	The dolphin wanted it.
	That dolphin was painted.
	She was fully committed.
	So it was consensual.
	She's caught.
	It's a fucking weird ass conversation.
	What the fuck are we talking about?
	Well, hang on.
	It's not.
	It's not really a weird ass.
	I like it.
	If you're talking about dating and somebody says to you, oh, I can speak to animals, right?
	Tell me that it does not occur to you that, well, wait a second.
	What do they say, right?
	And if it's possible that you actually can do this, what if you actually run into this scenario?
	Who would you be to object to it?
	How could you ever tell a person that they could not engage in sexual intercourse with an animal if they can actually talk to an animal and they tell you, I have a telepathic connection to the animal.
	The animal consented.
	How could you ever tell them that was wrong?
	I have nothing to say about that.
	All I say is that I haven't met anyone that's had that question or animals or humans.
	Have you ever dated a dolphin?
	Have you ever been on a date with a dolphin?
	No.
	No, but I used to meet a family for two years, and they used to escort me in the ocean.
	That's so cute.
	Well, it's illegal.
	Bestiality is illegal for a reason.
	Yep.
	And in any case, so you've been celibate for nine years, single for nine years.
	Right.
	No, and any dating prospects currently?
	Nothing.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, we didn't even make it a process.
	I forgot we were even wow.
	We were on that list.
	The dolphins are like front-centered in my mind right now.
	I do have a boyfriend.
	We've only been dating for like officially like a year almost, but like I've known him for like 10 years and we've been like talking or like hooking up like consistently during the last several years.
	It's okay.
	Keep going.
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah, so yeah.
	You got a boyfriend?
	Yeah, I got a boyfriend.
	How long have you guys been together?
	Well, almost like a year, like officially, but we've been like exclusively talking for like a while.
	Less than a year or more than a year?
	Around a year, coming up on a year.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	I don't even know.
	Like maybe that one, just because like we were like, we've been talking, so it kind of feels like it's more than a fresh relationship.
	And like I've known him for years as like friends first and like we've done stuff and everything like before we were officially dating.
	So like I would say our relationship was more, but.
	So prior to the current guy you're seeing, you've not had a relationship longer than one year.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so this is your relationship relationship.
	Yeah, I believe so.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And what about you?
	I'm in well.
	I'm in a relationship.
	It's a fresh relationship.
	It's been officially probably.
	It's been three months.
	We've known each other for a little over six months now.
	Met him through one of my friends.
	And my longest relationship was three years, and that was probably four years ago, five years ago.
	But that was like my first year's relationship coming from high school into college.
	So.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	Well, as I said, I'm married.
	However, I've been with my husband for six years.
	We've been married for three.
	It's my third marriage.
	Put together, I've spent almost 25 years married and put together outside of marriage.
	I spent about 10 years dating those folks before marrying.
	So I'm just here to tell you, you know, there is love in your later years, mid-years.
	I love that.
	Yeah.
	I have a question.
	Yeah.
	Are you a cancer or a Gemini?
	Cancer.
	Makes sense, yeah.
	She lays out.
	Are we doing astrology too?
	Animal talking wasn't enough.
	We need a little bit of astrology too.
	We did telepathy.
	We talked about rocks.
	We haven't done wine to have a bad thing.
	How's your dictionary?
	That's true.
	My what?
	Your addiction.
	Like, can you read?
	Yes.
	I'll have you do some reads for us.
	Go ahead.
	Says, Andrew Bryan, please show no mercy to this deadbeat trumpet.
	Ladies, if you had to pick one, who would you bow to your man once a day or share your man with another woman once a day?
	Would you bow to your man once a day or share your man with another woman?
	I was wondering.
	Thank you for reading that.
	Thank you, Bucky Larson, for the message.
	So starting with you, which one?
	I would probably bow to my man.
	Okay.
	I would rather die.
	You got to pick one.
	What are the choices?
	It was either bow to your man, which I'm not doing, but I'm also not allowing my man to sleep with another.
	Because, like, if he's sleeping with another person, then you're not my man.
	But why wouldn't you bow to your man?
	Isn't that like a respectful thing just to be like?
	Is he bowing to me?
	Is that like, is we mean like a simple, like bow?
	Yeah, it's a bow.
	You want to demonstrate a bow for everybody?
	It's good.
	A mini bow.
	Mini bow.
	Wait, so you got to pick.
	You got to bow?
	She said she would rather die.
	I would rather die.
	You can't.
	You can't.
	You got to pick one.
	Dang.
	She's a nice man.
	So you want to share?
	Okay.
	I would share, but then at that point, he wouldn't be my man.
	Yeah, but.
	Yeah.
	You got to pick.
	I just said I would share.
	Let me ask you a question.
	How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
	I don't know.
	The same.
	What do you mean?
	What are we asking right now?
	All right.
	Okay.
	Am I too dumb for this call?
	I don't get that.
	I know where he's going.
	I know where he's going.
	It's just to see if you can engage with a hypothetical.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Would you bow to the tree?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	The tree's worth it.
	It's nature.
	It's God.
	So go ahead.
	Oh.
	This would definitely be situational.
	I think that if he had a lot of money and he was really, really well off, I would bow to him.
	But if he was broke and he was slaying, I would probably share.
	Yeah.
	I like that.
	That's a good answer.
	I mean, I would probably bow, but we would probably both be laughing at the same time at the absurdity of it all.
	The absurdity of what?
	Of bowing at him, like giving.
	Is that absurd?
	In the context of which we're speaking about it, and like here, Nick, pull up the video.
	We'll just show the bow segment, though.
	Just the quick bow.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Thank you for the 10 memberships, JJ.
	Go ahead.
	Boom. Boom.
	That's so easy.
	I'll do that every day.
	I mean, it would be funny.
	That's just fun.
	If you really love your man, you're not going to bow to him just to be like.
	I don't think it's that serious.
	What about you?
	Yeah, definitely bow for sure.
	I don't think it's like in jiu-jitsu, you bow at a sign of respect.
	It's not like that deep.
	It's not like dictator type shit.
	It's kind of.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	What about you?
	Bow.
	I'm not into sharing.
	Okay.
	My instant reaction was to be like, no, I'm not bowing to a guy.
	But then I thought about it for like a nice second.
	And as she said, it can be, it doesn't have to be like any kind of dominant display, like a cute, funny thing.
	It's like special.
	Yeah, it doesn't have to be that deep.
	Like I would bow.
	Exactly.
	Like, I would bow.
	Yeah.
	What if it was that deep, though?
	Well, then it could be deep.
	It all doesn't matter.
	Then it doesn't have to be that deep.
	I feel like my enemy will say what if it was the case that your boyfriend wanted you to be submissive.
	But if he's a good boy, I would break up with him.
	You'd break up with him.
	Because if he wants to bag your boyfriend?
	He's not into that.
	I have this way of requesting that.
	Wait, hold on.
	You asked your boyfriend.
	Yeah, because I'm kind of like, I've never done that.
	I want to try it.
	Why won't he let me try it on him?
	He says he loves me.
	He's listening to this right now.
	What?
	Be submissive?
	Well, Peggy.
	Peggy.
	Oh!
	Yeet.
	That's why it depends on the context.
	Wait, question.
	Do you want to get married one day?
	I don't know how I feel about marriage.
	I'm in favor of it.
	Me too.
	Okay.
	I want to ring.
	Same.
	What's going around the table?
	Bow or boyfriend cheats every day?
	We need to bow to each other, so I would bow.
	Okay, absolutely bow.
	I make him a sandwich anytime he wants one.
	And you know, he's providing, he's out there.
	He works seven days a week.
	That's if 10 to 12 hour days every day, every week, and he treats me like a queen.
	So, of course, I'm not sure.
	Yeah, but he's my man.
	I mean, but he's my man.
	That's you know, I would do this.
	And the thing about it is if you love somebody, why would you want to share them?
	And if you love somebody, why would you not respect them and bow if they were you?
	Morgan Simp Gavusa Wink donated $200.
	I would swim up the Amazon River with 45-pound waist tie to my spectrum with nothing else but Gorlock.
	The destroyer's queefs is my air supply.
	If it meant I could have one seafood dinner with you.
	Cutie.
	What do you mean?
	I agree.
	All right, there you go.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Morgan Simp.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Where were we?
	We were.
	We got everybody's relationship.
	We got everybody's relationship.
	Except yours.
	Oh, that's top secret.
	And Andrew's already shared it a million times.
	What about Andrew?
	Isn't he married?
	He's married.
	What's the question?
	The same question that we had to ask.
	What's your relationship?
	Is that the same question that you had to ask?
	What's your that we were asked?
	Oh, what was the question?
	Like, are you dating someone?
	Are you single for someone?
	I've been married.
	I've been married for well over a decade.
	The bow question.
	Would you bow to your wife or would you?
	Fuck no.
	I'm going to bow to my wife.
	I'm a patriarchist.
	Okay, so you're going to.
	No fucking way.
	She's going to bow, though, to me.
	That's just a bad thing.
	That's the patriarchy, baby.
	That's the way it works.
	Would you rather her bow to you or have sex with someone else?
	Once a day.
	Bow to me?
	No, no, he wants that.
	He wants me to bow.
	You know what I mean?
	What kind of question is that?
	Bow to me, obviously.
	Okay, so think about the hypothetical first.
	Put on the thank you cap.
	Think about it first, and then ask again.
	If you're going to do a trick hypothetical, make sure it's an actual person.
	You got to make sure it's actually tricky.
	I feel like I'm going to take a look at the channel.
	I think the men that deserve to get bowed to are the ones that are fully taking care of their girl or partner.
	If you're taking care of your partner, huh?
	So like buying Rolexes.
	And more.
	Did you bow to that guy?
	Hell.
	Wait, can we ask you back there what their opinion is or no?
	He wasn't taking care of everything.
	I do bow.
	Let's see the bow.
	You bow?
	Wait, you bow like frequently?
	Every day.
	Really?
	To him.
	No, you're.
	No, you don't.
	I do.
	I like that.
	I'm actually being serious.
	It's the culture, right?
	A sign of respect.
	No.
	I'm not Japanese.
	Oh.
	But like, just because.
	So wait, why do you bow?
	Because he likes it.
	It's cute.
	So how do you do it?
	You just like.
	Yeah.
	It's a little man.
	It is kind of cute, though.
	Like, look at me.
	What about an innocent thing?
	What?
	What would be my choice?
	Yeah.
	Bow.
	Do you currently bow?
	No one wants to share?
	Y'all know.
	No one wants to.
	No one wants to share.
	Hey, Nick, there's an Instagram tab pulled up.
	Actually, wait, I'm going to do private chat.
	Here it's in private chat.
	You're going to pull that up.
	We have Alien here.
	We're going to get into some of her pre-show notes.
	I just.
	There's a photo of you on your Instagram where it's like a before picture.
	Okay.
	And I thought that would be interesting.
	I don't know what picture you're talking about.
	I'm excited.
	I'm going to push follows the profile, but I'll show you if there's a photo.
	She doesn't have many posts.
	It's just, you don't even need to pull up the photo, honestly.
	Just scroll to the very bottom.
	You should see it.
	You should see it.
	I'll go for it.
	I'm like, really, look at anything.
	No, it's just a photo of her.
	You have a lot of work.
	I have like 20 something, 28.
	How many just on the face?
	28.
	On the face?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	Over how many years have you?
	Yeah, you can pull it up.
	That's not me.
	Oh.
	Oh, my God.
	That's not you?
	No.
	That's my cousin.
	Why do you have just a.
	Oh, fuck.
	That's her relative.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Did you read that?
	I didn't read the caption.
	I thought you did backgrounds of everyone.
	Hey, God.
	Way to go, Brian.
	Alien, do you keep these in when you saw it?
	I didn't read the fucking caption asshole.
	This doesn't even look like her asshole.
	At all.
	They're two different people.
	Got the whole stuff on.
	Look past the jewelry, man.
	He might need like a different girl.
	He might need gloves on.
	We don't know.
	You're all good.
	That was Nick's idea to do that segment.
	Granted, though, y'all did look more related than y'all two do.
	Word.
	Wait, question for you really quick.
	What's your, this tattoo say?
	Right here?
	Yeah.
	Honesty.
	Honesty.
	And then is it text on the eyelids or is it just.
	It says open mind.
	Open mind.
	Those new.
	Those look like a just got it like a month ago of my eyelids.
	Okay.
	Cool, cool, cool.
	We also, Nick, there's another Instagram tab that should be pulled up.
	If you want to, I believe it's Elise's.
	Oh, Elissa.
	That's my ass tag.
	E-Elis.
	Elissa.
	It should be, I've already said it to where I think it should be.
	Okay.
	Are you ready?
	Yeah, I'm ready.
	I'm ready.
	Oh, cool.
	Bow, That's that booty meet.
	So just curious, like, you know, you saw the debate a couple days ago, like, if you had to choose one to date, Trump or Biden.
	Ooh, one to date?
	Yeah.
	Okay, pop them cheeks.
	Which one?
	Okay, so now this is not.
	So now you're asking me now, not like which one is the better one in general to date.
	Like, who is going to physically deliver?
	I honestly, I don't want to say.
	Well, okay, I think that Donald Trump's going to do his best to get the job done.
	I don't know if he can succeed, but he's probably going to come at it with some kind of aggressive energy and like sweating and his wig.
	But Biden, he might just like treat you nice during, after.
	I don't know if he seems, he's very reserved.
	I don't even think he can get it hard.
	Reserve client.
	That is a terrible fucking question.
	So I don't know.
	I don't know who to pick.
	I don't know who to pick.
	It's too hard.
	Oh, God.
	Let's go around this.
	I'm such a visual person.
	I don't even like that you're both.
	I don't.
	We saw that.
	You know, we saw that debate.
	I like literally declined to answer that because absolutely fuck no.
	But I know that.
	Come on.
	You can't decline to answer that.
	Oh, my God.
	Trump Biden.
	Jeez.
	Like, do you want the forceful, sweating, hair piece for you?
	Oh, do you want the soft, gentle, gross, shaking man?
	Well, so I can tell you, I think Biden would sniff your hair and Trump might grab you by the something, right?
	So I'm not Trump then, because I'm a freak.
	That would probably work out.
	Because he'd be more wild.
	Fuck, I'm so mad at myself.
	Honestly.
	Trump.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Trump.
	I think it would be cool to have both because you have sensuality with Biden and then you have aggression.
	You got this.
	And then you have aggression with Trump.
	But if I had to pick either one, I would go with Biden.
	I like the loving and I like the caring.
	I like the touching.
	I feel like he'd give me that.
	Yeah, I might have to change my answer to him.
	Biden?
	Yeah, I think he'd be more like he wouldn't be all there, you know, at all.
	We wouldn't be able to communicate, but he'd be like, is it a crime?
	I think it's a good idea.
	That soft old man energy.
	I don't know if you're abusing him.
	Free speech.
	Because I'll literally abuse myself.
	Literally abuse.
	Well, am I allowed to say no since I have a boyfriend or do I know you have to?
	You have to.
	Okay.
	You have to.
	So the reason why is because he has connections that I want to get documents of, and I know he knows the people.
	So, Trump.
	Oh, Trump, okay.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Good.
	This is honestly hard.
	Like, I don't know if I should just think about this or if I should just say a random thing.
	You got it.
	We believe in you.
	Random thing.
	I'll say Trump.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	They both make me nauseous.
	I mean, but you've been celibate for nine years, so I feel like you gotta, you know.
	You might want to.
	You know, I mean, you gotta give them a chance.
	She wants Obama.
	She might want to.
	Yeah, Obama would be a lot better.
	I think we would all choose George Bush.
	Like, oh, Bush.
	He's bad.
	George Bush.
	Bush can't even ride a horse.
	Sorry.
	Obama.
	George Bush.
	But he cannot dodge a ship.
	I choose Obama.
	Obama.
	Okay.
	At least he's bad.
	How come she gets to choose Obama, dude?
	Yeah, we have the pick.
	Okay, okay.
	You got a pick.
	Fine, fine.
	Trump or Biden.
	Both of them would.
	I'd stay celibate.
	Sorry.
	You gotta pick.
	You gotta pick.
	You can do it.
	You gotta pick.
	You have to.
	I did it.
	You can do it.
	Biden then.
	Even though I thought.
	Because he could suck my toes.
	Oh, well.
	Oh, yeah, he could.
	Wait, why couldn't.
	Okay, I'm switching to Biden just before I say that.
	I'm switching back to Biden.
	Okay.
	So that.
	You're like, good point.
	I'm just thinking about Trump's face just so gross.
	And he's like, no, yeah.
	I like Biden for me.
	Sorry.
	He's a pioneer.
	Yeah, like a French man in Nice.
	Did you answer?
	Oh, yeah.
	Me?
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	Or who did you answer?
	Biden.
	Biden.
	I like her logic with Trump, but I also like the gentle side of it.
	Exactly.
	And you know the thought process behind it.
	So, what's it going to be for you?
	They're both bad.
	For mental purposes.
	They're both bad, but you got this.
	Kindness.
	Kindness.
	She's a kindness.
	Biden.
	It would have to be Trump.
	It would be amazing.
	Oh, my God.
	Because I was busy watching you.
	All of you failed to pick Biden.
	I'll tell you why.
	I'll tell you why you fail.
	We got to go.
	Obviously, you guys missed it, right?
	You could have said Biden because he'll forget about it in five minutes.
	So you could have said that.
	You all missed it.
	Everyone of you missed it.
	I'm very disappointed in all of you.
	Whatever.
	That wouldn't change.
	If he forgot about it.
	You can't forget about it.
	You can't forget, so why should he?
	Yeah, you can't impart his.
	Because he'll fall asleep and just be like, all right, I don't get it.
	That's a no-win question, is what that is.
	She was excited about Shuffle, bro.
	That's crazy.
	I was trying to get rock.
	Sean, Mariati, you're married.
	Yeah, I'm happy.
	Your husband's probably watching this.
	Because your husband's going to get no, I was trying to do a really horrible impression of him talking.
	It was going to be amazing.
	Oh, I heard it.
	I held it.
	Yeah, it fell flat.
	All right.
	We've got to give you the best ever in China.
	So, Christine, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	On your Instagram, it says you're a she, they.
	Is that my pronouns?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you can call me they, she, her, them.
	Is that how you identify as a they?
	I mean, I don't, I don't really care.
	Actually, call me any he, I don't give a shit.
	Just call me whatever you want.
	I just put that there because it makes other people feel comfortable.
	Oh, so those, okay.
	Yeah, Brian, leave that guy alone.
	Okay, dude.
	Okay, bro.
	Going around the table.
	What are your pronouns?
	What are your pronouns?
	Go ahead.
	I don't give a shit either.
	Call me whatever.
	Dude, bro.
	Alien fucking bitch.
	Bad bitch.
	I don't care.
	Okay.
	I go by a freaking nature sometimes, but typically she, they.
	All right.
	I mean, I don't care, but she, she, her.
	She, her.
	I would say she, her, but I like the they history behind it, they, them.
	It's really cool because it's like you don't, especially when you're younger, you don't have any like you're not bound to something, so you, there's more possibilities.
	Like, you're not bound to the gender roles or norms.
	So I'm saying I like that, but I'm saying she, her.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Probably she and we.
	Huh?
	Huh?
	What?
	We?
	We, we.
	No, but because have you ever hung out with a transgender person?
	Yeah.
	I lived with one for two years, and the awfulness that they have to go through of not being accepted for who they are and just they're a human being.
	But you want somebody to call you we.
	Wait, I'm just going to think about the we.
	Yeah.
	So if I say I'm really not into pronouns like it's like you said she, we.
	Yeah, because it's like we all make it one word.
	She we.
	Because we all breathe each other's DNA.
	Let's see how this plays out.
	Okay.
	She-wolf.
	Go get her for dinner.
	Go get we for dinner.
	Does that does that?
	I mean, does that roll off the tongue?
	Let's go get go get we for dinner.
	It's better they.
	It's better saying they.
	It's better than the me mentality.
	Well, this is even more confusing.
	Well, no, I mean, they, you can kind of understand, right?
	Because people will use they and them in that type of context.
	So for instance, if I said go get them for dinner, right?
	That kind of at least makes sense.
	But if I said, go get us for dinner, we, us, go get us for dinner, go get we for dinner, that's bizarre.
	That makes no sense at all.
	Well, no, it's even more confusing if it's something along the lines of we went to dinner.
	Is that that individual?
	Or is that we, like, uh, us went to dinner?
	I guess I feel like the other ladies.
	I'm not really into pronouns.
	Okay.
	Anyways, what about you?
	Thank you.
	Oh, just boring.
	She, her.
	Okay.
	Casual.
	She, her.
	Yeah, I'm just a woman, so she, her.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Not sure why I asked that, but I saw it on your Instagram.
	So it's important to a crowd.
	Have you guys met people where it's like they only want you to call them?
	They, them, he, they, he, yeah, yeah.
	It's hard to practice that.
	Like, I've met confusing.
	I ended up hardly practicing calling them by their name instead.
	Yeah.
	You know, anyways.
	Because it's grammatical.
	Because I've heard people call a human being and it, and it's really just an it.
	I just kind of call them child calls because they were transgender.
	And I just think that the whole pronoun sucks.
	Mike Davis donated $200.
	Mike Davis, thank you, man.
	I have a question.
	I'm a businessman.
	And if I see anyone signing off with some goofy pronouns, they're blocked immediately.
	Politics aside, they're the most annoying breed of people.
	My pronouns are nor slash mal.
	Normal.
	Normal.
	Has an animal ever told you that it identifies differently than the sex it was born with?
	What is that?
	What?
	Oh, Andrew, can you?
	Yeah, has an animal ever told you that they identify differently than the sex they were born with?
	No.
	No.
	I was just curious.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So going to Deadbeat here, Deadbeat, you said I can create some good conversation about controversial topics.
	Was there anything in particular that you wanted to hit on?
	I think what I was referring to was more about like the strip club and like customers coming into the strip club and maybe encounters I've had.
	You wrote that you have plenty of unique and crazy stories from your eight years working in a strip club, including some wild celebrity encounters and insane moments in the back room.
	In the back room.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Okay, so I got two stories that I can get into right now.
	I think one's really positive and one's really cringe.
	One is in the back room and one is on the.
	You're fine.
	You're fine.
	Keep going.
	Keep going.
	Yeah.
	So I want to talk about the coolest.
	The coolest encounter that I had with a celebrity.
	I don't really want to focus on the negative ones.
	I'd rather focus on the positive ones and what they did right and what other people should do because a lot of people don't know what to do in the club.
	Do you want me to say who they were?
	I feel like they say it.
	I feel like they'd be happy about it.
	Okay, so this is Waka Flaka and his team and his goons.
	So all the guys that they travel with.
	I think this is one of my best experiences I've ever had dealing with the celebrities.
	I've had a lot of them, a lot more bad ones than good ones.
	But this one, he came in with his people and there's a lot of strip club etiquette.
	And when somebody comes in that's like high status, what happens is they pull out like a rope with the rope with the gold sides and you have to stand.
	You have to stand in line and let them pick you as a dancer.
	Like all of the girls stand in.
	Yeah, we all stand in the line and they say yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.
	To the dancers.
	And then whoever they pick or want in the sections, they allow the sections.
	So there was a line and I refused to stand in it.
	I never stand in it.
	I'll never stand in it.
	I'm just like not, either mess with me or you don't, right?
	So I was standing on the sidelines and I was watching them pick the girls and I was like, dang, that's really cool.
	Kind of in my head thinking, how am I going to get into this section?
	So they picked like four or five girls and they were dropped dead gorgeous, beautiful.
	And they had pulled out, I think, maybe like $8,000, maybe somewhere around there, for maybe like four or five girls.
	And I was standing kind of like leaning over like this, just like watching them, being a little lurking girl on the sidelines.
	And one of the friends of Waka Flocka was like, no, get in the section.
	I'm like, what?
	And he's like, no.
	I was like, there's money on the floor already.
	Like, I can't.
	They have to pick it up.
	And like, I can't get in the section.
	And he's like, nah, you're getting in the section.
	And then he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and drug me into the section like next to walk of, and I was like this was very invasive.
	But I'm like sitting there now and I'm like, all right, I start dancing and this one of the girls comes up to me and she starts like cussing me out and she's like get out of the fucking section.
	Oh my gosh.
	And she was just like in my throat, dead dust in my throat, and so Waka's there, his team's there, and I walk a block was really like kind of not saying too much, like he was more low-key, but he he tapped the guy and was kind of like handle that.
	And his friend got into his face and got into the girl's face and it was like was like shut the fuck up bitch, I get to decide who's in the section.
	It was really really mean and he was also correct, because the customer's Is always right, no matter what it is in a customer service job, which dancing is customer service and sales.
	So he's right.
	So he shut that down and then we ended up, they ended up throwing like thousands and I think we each left with about $2,500 and there was about five of us in the section.
	They were super polite, super nice, did not sexually harass us at all.
	And I just really love that his friend had my back and like didn't let someone bully me into getting kicked out of money that was mine because he asked me into the section.
	So yeah, everything was perfect in that experience.
	Not all of them are.
	I feel like now, what, go ahead.
	I have a question.
	So you said you had some crazy stories.
	That was a very basic scary story.
	Money-making story.
	I want to hear the cringy.
	I want to hear the cringy, filthy.
	Okay, so now I'm ready to show you about my story in the back room because I got something.
	But I wanted to say something positive because there's people that was cute.
	That was cute.
	It was so cute and they handled it.
	It was amazing.
	And like, hearts that.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So now one of my cringiest stories.
	Okay, so I used to work at this place in downtown LA and I was a baby stripper.
	I think I was maybe like seven, eight months into it.
	And I had a customer that was a construction worker.
	I was sitting up for a while.
	I thought he was kind of weird, but I didn't think he was this weird.
	I was like, all right, like no other dancers talking to him, but I'm going to talk to him because it's a slow night.
	And so I saw him, not even a, it wasn't even a VIP, it was like a three for a hundred.
	It was like three songs for a hundred.
	And we go into the back and he's like, he requests that I take off my heels.
	And I don't know if you guys know this, but stripper feet smell like shit.
	Stripper feet are literally disgusting.
	Like we are sweating throughout the night.
	And I'm a pole princess, which means like I do pole tricks.
	Like I'm active on stage.
	So I am drenched in sweat after every shift.
	So this guy was like, I'm going to take your heels off and massage your feet.
	And I was like, all right, bet.
	Like he's paying me for that, right?
	So I go in the back and then he takes my heels off and I'm automatically embarrassed because my feet smell like shit.
	And I go like this and I lean back.
	So I'm like, and I'm covering my eyes.
	So I'm not even watching what's happening.
	All I know is he already paid for the thing and he's here and there's three songs and I have to sit here.
	I'm going to close my eyes.
	How long is this story?
	This is the longest.
	I'm almost short.
	I'm almost done.
	I'm almost done.
	This is like, are we getting to the end?
	Sir?
	I'm honest.
	I just need to do it.
	I'm covering my eyes and I feel a jerking motion.
	Okay, my body is jerking.
	I'm like, why is my body jerking right now?
	And I open my eyes and this guy is straight up on my feet.
	Jacking off on your feet?
	Am I allowed to say that?
	He was just straight up jerking off on the shit.
	The way that I started screaming in the back room, I started screaming.
	I'd never seen anything like this.
	And the bouncer came in and saw all of it.
	Like my feet were doing his thing.
	That guy did get dragged out at the club.
	It was disgusting.
	I've had a dude passing.
	I'm traumatized from that, by the way.
	I've told that story like four times.
	And every time I do, I get the goosebumps.
	And then my heart starts like pounding.
	So I'm like, it was so traumatic.
	I want to make sure I get this straight.
	That's horrible.
	You ground your vagina on men's junk over the clothes for money.
	But when it came to him jerking off on your feet, that was just a little too much for you.
	But that was where you drew that line.
	I think anytime a man pulls out his genitals in a strip club, it's going to be shocking and it's going to be out of line because that's not what we do in the strip club.
	Okay.
	Oh, no, no, no, no.
	Lots of, lots and lots and lots of strippers.
	Tell the truth, they have a little side hustle going on, don't they?
	Well, whatever side hustle those girls have is their side hustle, and I know nothing about it.
	Yeah, but you know, what I do know is that in LA, where I work, if you do anything extra, you're getting fired, which means you're banned from meeting new customers, you're banned from it.
	Yeah, I mean, maybe, but I mean, it's pretty common, it's pretty much common practices that they do.
	Side shit for money.
	It's well known, even in LA.
	But what I'm telling you a story about is my story about the back room that I had, which was requested of me to speak on.
	So that's what I'm talking about.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	And what I'm doing is I'm kind of making the same general characterization because I don't understand how can you grind your genitals on a man for money and get him hard in his pants while you grind on his heart on.
	But the second he decides to, you know, do something just a little bit different than that, well, that's where we draw the line.
	I've never really understood the mentality with that.
	If you nut in your own pants, that's different, but don't pull out and fucking nut on a female, then you're going to get punched in the fucking face.
	I think it's anything that you weren't prepared.
	Hold on, I'm moving it on.
	What was worse was the best yellow.
	Anyway, yeah, that was pretty bad, too.
	This whole conversation was crazy.
	I need to shot.
	Can I say one more thing?
	There's rules that you go into a strip club knowing, and there's rules that the dancers have and the customers are supposed to abide by.
	When those rules are broken, that's when the customer's getting dragged out.
	And in that moment, the rules were broken.
	Okay.
	I get it.
	Yeah, I don't think dudes should be whatever that dude did, he shouldn't have done it.
	Facts completely.
	Anyways, okay, you said two things that you hate: a lazy dancer and a fake trick.
	A lazy what?
	What's a fake trick?
	A fake trick is when you go to the club and this guy pulls out.
	Let's say a guy pulls out $1,000 and he's like, I'm going to spend it.
	I'm going to spend it.
	I'm going to throw it.
	And then he pockets it and takes it home.
	That's a fake-ass trick.
	Okay.
	You get that.
	Is this something you encounter?
	Someone can encounter in dating too, or is this just like a club thing?
	In dating?
	Yeah.
	Fake trick.
	Okay, so I think the biggest sale with trip tendencies is they'll tell you all the things that they can do for you and then a girl will believe it.
	And then after six months, they can no longer provide the lifestyle that they've been providing in the beginning of the relationship.
	That's also a fake trick.
	And that's also devastating because they sold you an idea of themselves that was not real.
	So that's also fake.
	AF.
	All right.
	You also wanted to mention something about the sassy men apocalypse.
	I mean, isn't that what you're selling them, though?
	Aren't you selling them the same thing?
	You're selling them like.
	If you're referring to the strip club, that's different.
	If we're talking about dating.
	How's that different?
	I mean, it's the same shit, right?
	You're selling them the illusion that you're in.
	In the strip club, and they know that you like them.
	You're selling them the same illusion, right?
	Yeah, in the strip club, they know it's illusion.
	They know it's not real.
	But if you're outside.
	Why do they?
	Why do we got it?
	I'm just kind of faking the assumptions that they know these things.
	If they don't, they're tripping.
	There's something wrong.
	That men can't be preyed on by women inside of these clubs.
	Clearly, they very clearly can.
	Not all men who go into these clubs, even though they can consent because they're of age, have all their faculties.
	They seem to be taking advantage of plenty.
	If they're getting taken advantage of, it's because they want to be taken advantage of.
	Oh, well, then I guess if you're getting taken advantage of, it's because you want to get taken advantage of.
	Facts.
	Manipulation is real.
	Facts.
	Okay.
	Moving on.
	Would we say the same thing?
	So, like, wait, if you're getting – that's actually a good point Andrew raises.
	So if you are getting taken advantage of, it's because you want to be taken advantage of.
	What about like a guy who lies to a girl about his long-term intentions in order to get her into bed?
	So, yeah, the girl, she only wants to have sex with a long-term boyfriend, and he's like, baby, I love you.
	I want to be with you.
	They have sex, and then he never talks to her again.
	I think that happens every single day.
	It does, yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, that happens all the time.
	It's wrong, but that means the coochie or the dick was trash.
	Either way, that's what it means.
	If you guys fucking, you never fucking game, something is wrong.
	Well, but he could also just be like trash if he's just like, that's debt.
	That's true, but it's like lying.
	That's true, too.
	But most of the time, if you're just wanting to fuck and hook up, this is a hookup thing.
	Well, Andrew said, if you get taken advantage of, it's because you wanted to be taken advantage of.
	To what extent?
	Is that the same case if a girl gets tricked in that way?
	I mean, yeah, if you want the D, you want the D.
	No, no, it's because she wanted it.
	She wanted to be taken advantage of.
	That's a logical extension, right?
	I don't think that's why that's why these kinds of like sloganeerings by people who cope because they've engaged in prostitution.
	It's a cope, right?
	They're coping about the engagement of prostitution.
	But when you take it to its logical extension, you find out, well, wait a second, when men are taking advantage of them, they seem to have a completely different outlook than when they so they go, oh, well, you know, men going into strip clubs, ah, they know they're being taken advantage of.
	Well, no, they don't all know that.
	They do.
	I feel like we should back up a bit.
	It's true that they just know that.
	We got to back up a bit.
	We got to back up a teeny bit.
	When somebody comes to the strip club, they're looking to party and have a good time.
	And in the strip club, that's like bottle service and having a bunch of beautiful women around them, right?
	If you want the guy that's getting away from his wife that just wants to sit there and maybe get a couple dances, you know, like he's coming there for a reason and he knows it's going to cost him money.
	So it's not really taken advantage of.
	It's two different steps.
	Hold shit.
	Do you know what the concept of a parasocial relationship is?
	No.
	No.
	The concept of a parasocial relationship.
	You can be fooled into believing an illusion.
	And this women and men are both capable of believing an illusion.
	In this case, the illusion is the girlfriend experience or the woman who's really into you.
	Clearly, when you get paid money to strip, you're not going to pretend that you hate the guy.
	That's not what you're doing.
	You're pretending that you're into him, that you think he's great, that you think he's fantastic.
	This makes you, in turn, more money.
	Now, we're speaking in generalities.
	I'm sure that you can point out some sicko who wants you to treat him like shit, but in general, you're going to act like you're really into the men that you are performing the service for because that in turn is going to make you a lot more money, right?
	To kind of sit there and pretend that some of those men don't involve themselves in some kind of parasocial relationship or believe that the experience is real or that you really like them or something like that, it's bullshit.
	That actually isn't even possible.
	There has to be at least some of them that do believe that.
	That's true.
	I don't know what they believe and I don't care.
	I'm just doing my job.
	It's their fault.
	Right, we don't care.
	You'll take advantage of them one way or the other because you're not.
	It's not taking advantage of me.
	Why do you feel that when you're like, oh, this guy took advantage of me?
	I'm like, good.
	That's called come up and stuff.
	They're going to a place of business paying money for a service.
	Like very knowingly, very willingly.
	Like they are, they know what a strip club is.
	Most men, most people know what strip clubs are and they understand what they're getting into when they walk in there.
	I'm sure not everybody does to that full extent.
	We can't, he's gone now.
	I feel like he's gone.
	I feel like a woman that's investing in a relationship based on trust of the guy and thinking that he's legitimate when he says a certain thing.
	I feel like that's completely different than a trash transaction.
	They're two different things.
	You can't compare them or act like this.
	I mean, you can compare that.
	You know, there's people that have all sorts of vulnerabilities and they're in a different place mentally.
	Maybe they've just lost somebody.
	Maybe they've gone through a divorce or whatever.
	Maybe they're just very naive.
	And that happens with females as well.
	And I don't think preying upon somebody and lying to them deliberately is ever a good thing.
	Also, let's back up real quick to what you were saying earlier.
	You said, clearly, most men know.
	I think that you're right.
	I think that probably most men who go into a strip club understand that it's a fantasy-based experience.
	But remember what she said.
	I don't give a shit.
	I don't give a shit if they don't think it is.
	I'm there to do a job.
	I'm there to make money, right?
	She doesn't care if there's men who come in there and don't believe that.
	They don't know that, or they fall for the parasocial aspect of this thing.
	She doesn't give a shit.
	I mean, what does she say?
	So then, in turn, so hang on.
	She said it.
	Those were her words.
	I did say that, and I believe that.
	Can you repeat her words for me?
	Can you repeat them?
	So I know that you heard them.
	Oh, she doesn't give a shit if they come there and say that.
	She doesn't give a shit.
	Yeah, she doesn't give a shit.
	Again, that's your job.
	Why in turn should men give a shit if women are taken advantage of, if women fall for the parasocial experience?
	Because I assume that most women believe that most men are just looking to score.
	They're just looking to get some.
	They're just looking to hit and run, right?
	I assume that.
	And so since I make that assumption, any of them that do that, shouldn't I just go, well, you know, I guess you shouldn't have fallen for it.
	Well, no, because you're comparing a business and a service to a relationship and they're just not, they're not the same.
	The only difference is the money, right?
	There's no real difference.
	You're getting accommodating to somebody in a regular environment.
	You're comparing no, no.
	Why is it that when you make an analogy that people don't seem to understand, that if I say apples and oranges are different, I'm still comparing fruit.
	So while I'm comparing two different situations, the logic is still the same.
	Strippers take advantage of men.
	There's no doubt that they do.
	Escorts do the same thing.
	They take advantage of men all the time.
	There's no doubt that that's true.
	So if that is true, if you have three shooter daddies who are taking care of you, we're not taking advantage of people that need help.
	We're therapists.
	We're not taking advantage of them.
	Oh, yeah, they're therapists.
	You got them on the home couch, and you're going to make sure that they get their right therapy.
	And it's just going to cost them a lot of money, right?
	You're there to them.
	It's a public service.
	Especially if you're cheating on your wife or your girlfriend.
	What's your job, dude?
	Because I want to know, like.
	I'm a robotics mechanic.
	What's your job?
	Oh, I work at Amazon.
	What's your job?
	Mrs. Tree Dater?
	Okay, wait.
	Can we go back to this?
	I wanted to know.
	What's your job, Mrs. Tree Dater?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Mrs. Tree Dater, what's your job?
	I'm a robotics mechanic.
	What's your job?
	She had a question related to what you're doing.
	Yeah, that's the question for her.
	She asked me when I answered, I'm a robotics mechanic.
	What's your job?
	I work at the.
	I said I work at a fucking warehouse.
	So I'm trying to get a warehouse.
	Where were you going with that?
	Okay.
	Anyway, so because you want to sit here and act fucking smart, I got you.
	Anyway, I want to know, like, do your employees or whoever you let you talk to, do they think that you're taking advantage of them as well for like what you do?
	Or like.
	No.
	Okay.
	So why would that be the same for a fucking stripper?
	That's their job.
	Are you stupid?
	Yeah, what you just said is incoherent, and I don't know.
	How is that incoherent?
	It's a job.
	A stripper is a job.
	Hang on.
	So are you saying that people can't fleece their customers by giving their customer an illusion?
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	However, if they know that what they're saying, you have to calm down enough to let me get the question out before you.
	Wait, hold on.
	But you've been like yelling at everybody else.
	You've been yelling at everybody else.
	Okay, okay.
	I want you to do me a favor real quick.
	Count how many people are in the room and count how many of me there are.
	Go ahead.
	She doesn't need to do that because you definitely have been talking over a couple ladies.
	Nobody's even talking to you.
	We're having a lot of people.
	I don't need you to talk to me.
	I don't mind to listen to your experience.
	I don't know why.
	I don't know why.
	You're even involved in the expansion.
	The only thing that you're saying is involve myself in anything I want to.
	It's a podcast.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and you can also involve yourself by not speaking until we're done with the exchange.
	Remember how you were having exchanges with other people and I didn't get in the mix?
	Remember how I gave you that kind of respect?
	But then remember when you think you can show it back?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I don't think you can.
	But try.
	Try anyway.
	So back to the exchange.
	I've been trying to many episodes.
	And I have to do that.
	Before we were so rudely interrupted by, I don't know, this brought over here.
	Perhaps you can explain to me: if there's that many people in the room and I'm having various arguments with those people, obviously I'm going to have to insert and interject far more than those people are for me.
	It's easy because there's one of me and there's many.
	Not all of us still.
	We all have to interject if we don't like and you all have been interjecting.
	With your point.
	I was that if there's one of me and nine of you, clearly in order to get some spots.
	Anyway, just get back to the topic.
	So you need to allow him to finish asking the question.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Ask the question.
	Then she can respond.
	Well, so the question is: I don't know, in this case, you're creating a false dialectic.
	I was looking for a logical extension.
	I was saying, based on your logic, the extension of the logic should apply to these other situations.
	That's a logical extension.
	The false dialectic, which you propose, though, is saying because employers can mistreat their employees, that that is in some way similar to selling a fantasy experience.
	And it's clearly not.
	Are you talking to me or deadbeat?
	Yeah, I'm talking to you.
	Okay.
	So, first of all, they're a stripper, right?
	So, if they're a stripper, I don't go to a strip club thinking, oh, I'm going to make this girl my wife.
	Like, that's your fuck-up, honestly.
	Okay, you know what a lot of people don't go in.
	That's my point.
	I would say 99% of customers do not go in thinking they're going to get a relationship, thinking they're going to get any type of long-term anything.
	They're going in there to have an experience, to party, and to have fun.
	And the ones that are going in there to talk about their wife because they're annoyed are paying for a girl to sit there and just listen to them yap.
	And they know that.
	They're like, Thank you for sitting here and listening to me to talk about my deadbass life.
	I'm going to give you $500.
	And that, and they are the ones that are making that conscious decision.
	Yeah, but that's not what the dispute is.
	Do you know what the dispute we're having even is?
	He was saying, if I remember it correctly, Andrew, he was saying, don't you think that that turnabout is fair play if a guy tells a girl that he has longer relationship intentions just to get her into bed, that the one should make the other one okay or balance each other out?
	So a girl's getting bred is the same.
	You're trying to say, is it the equivalent of a guy selling the idea of a long-term relationship?
	No, what I'm saying is that if you have the expectation that most men who walk into a strip club are going to understand they're being sold a fantasy experience, I can agree with that.
	But what I'm saying is that there's clearly going to be some who do not think that it's just a pure fantasy experience who are being taken advantage of.
	I agree.
	Yeah, sure.
	So my counter to this is just to say, well, wait a second.
	I also think that there's women who are being sold a fantasy experience from men.
	And men are essentially trying to get the thing that they want out of those women, just like you're trying to get money out of men.
	And so, if that is the case, it seems that turnabout is fair play, yeah?
	Honestly, same shit.
	I agree with you.
	You know, there's a girl doing it to a guy, there's a guy doing it to a girl.
	Different settings, though.
	Guys are doing it at nightclubs, in regular nightclubs, and they're trying to like take a girl.
	Do you agree with me?
	So, I was like, So, the contention is Andrew's right.
	Rocky?
	Honestly, I was trying to have a conversation with you this entire time, and other people kept like interjecting.
	I know, I know.
	That's fair.
	They were.
	They were interjecting.
	I thought we were having a good time.
	I was having my moment, y'all.
	It was a beautiful moment.
	And so, moving things on here a little bit, you also, I think this was a tweet of yours, mentioned something about a sassy man, sassy men apocalypse.
	What is that?
	What's that?
	I think men do want okay.
	Okay, okay.
	Okay, good-looking men, semi-attractive.
	I'm talking about on a scale one to ten, they're like six or sevens, want to be chased.
	All right, they want to be chased, they want to be actively.
	You know, I love them as they should.
	Men want to be cradled, they want to be loved.
	They've been abused for so many years, they're getting sensitive.
	So, now they're like, you know what?
	Show me, show me that you love me.
	So, they want girls to chase them.
	And in that process of girls chasing them, they're extremely sassy and they give attitude and they match women's energy off.
	Drizzle, drizzle, drizzle, drizzle.
	What is that?
	Yeah, sassy man apocalypse.
	I love it.
	As you should, I know you want to be love-based.
	I think girls should pay for first dates in all dates.
	Okay, I have paid for quite a few first dates.
	If I'm not going to smash you out, and if I see nothing going, I'll pay for the first date.
	So, because I'll never see you.
	Wait, you smash guys out or they smash you out?
	That feels lovely.
	Depends on who it is.
	Depends how masculine they are, but yeah, I'm usually the one getting smashed out.
	What the hell?
	Sorry, y'all.
	Ew. I agitate.
	Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Any girls here had this experience?
	You're encountering sassy men who kind of want to be pursued and chased by you or girls, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think we have one on the TV right now.
	Is Andrew?
	I think he's a little bit.
	Andrew's a sassy man.
	He's sassy.
	He likes to match the energy of the person he's talking to, whether it be a woman or a man.
	Okay.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	That is a true and fair assessment.
	Generally, if you're respectful and we have a good respectful back and forth, I like to have those.
	And if you're a total bitch, then I'll be a total asshole.
	You're a cutie, though.
	You're a cutie.
	I think that that's totally reasonable.
	I think that's totally reasonable.
	I think that's a good idea.
	You got good arguments and you come with substance.
	And I really do appreciate that.
	She'll give you a discussion.
	You're going to dip $5 off of that dance.
	You and your wife get a couple dance by me.
	Well, you know, I think with an alpha man.
	I do.
	I didn't You're going to even if, even if I were to break my orthodox vows and do something as sick as that, why the fuck do you think I would ever do it with you?
	Where does the delusion come in?
	We're like, if you can pay for that, what makes you think I'd pay for that with you?
	Honestly, that statement alone, I would say that you need to go to the strip club and pick somebody that you are attracted to.
	You need to be able to do that.
	Like, you need that lap dance because if you're that hostile over a hot girl offering you and your wife a lap dance and there's some.
	You know, I've been told on this show a ton of times that hot is subjective.
	It's a subjective metric.
	It's not objective.
	I think I'm going to.
	When you say hot, this is just a subjective term.
	Yeah, I think I'd be a rapper.
	But it's also subjective, right?
	Yeah.
	You know what?
	This would be a perfect.
	Oh, no, I unpinned the stiffler.
	Damn it.
	If we're doing the ratings, I want to do something a little different on the ratings.
	Unfortunately, we unpinned Stiffler's comment, but typically we have, so we have a question that comes in from a guy named Stifler.
	He says, ask everyone to rate their looks, looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Can't pick seven.
	Andrew, what is the differential that you'd like to if you guys if you guys will humor me tonight, I've been thinking about this, and I'm going to be totally honest with you, just so that you can understand my mindset.
	Women lie about this constantly, and we catch them in lie after lie after lie on this.
	They just, and I know why.
	It's not even because they're being malicious, it's because they don't want to hurt people's feelings.
	Okay?
	Like, that's the honest reason that we want to do that.
	Should we get the ratings before?
	Should we get the ratings before?
	Or you want to.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Okay.
	Nope, this feeds into the question.
	I just want to give a precursor so you understand my mindset.
	There is such a thing as something called the wisdom of the crowd.
	And what this means is: if you had a state fair and there was a cow in the fair, almost everybody who guessed the weight of the cow would be wrong.
	But if you average their answers, you would be really close to the actual weight of the cow, the wisdom of the crowd.
	So, what I'd like to do is ask you: if 1,000 men were rating you, what do you think they would average you at?
	Going around the table.
	We said you can't say seven?
	Was that what you said?
	You can't say seven.
	Why?
	If it's 1,000 men are rating you, and we're taking the average of all of their answers, what do you think that it would end up the number would be?
	Well, why can't you say seven, though?
	That's why I'm just curious about that.
	It's a rest of my life.
	Because it's a safe number.
	Okay, well, then eight.
	Eight.
	You think that a thousand men who rated you would consider you to be at the top tier of the most beautiful women in the world?
	That's what I would say.
	Wait, let's get why we're going to be able to get to that.
	Andrew, we ought to get the whole answer.
	We ought to get everybody first.
	My answer, damn it.
	10.
	Nine.
	I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of consciousness into the sphere.
	So with peace and love.
	What the fuck?
	Peace and love.
	Respect.
	Peace and love.
	I decline.
	Why?
	Because I do not want to focus my point of consciousness into this sphere.
	Into this sphere?
	The sphere.
	Into this sphere.
	What is this sphere?
	This sphere, this point of conversation.
	What do you mean?
	And the aesthetic essence it lies within.
	I don't feel like it.
	What does.
	I'm sorry.
	You're going to have to translate.
	DNT is wearing off.
	Just let her say what she wants.
	I say this with peace and love and all due respect, but I don't answer stupid questions.
	Well, actually, this, this, I could say that the self-rating, perhaps, you could make an argument.
	It's a stupid question.
	But it seems like if you were to ask, what if 1,000 people were giving their subjective metric on how you looked, how they thought your beauty standard was?
	That actually doesn't seem like a stupid question to me.
	That seems like a wise question because we're looking at the wisdom of the crowd.
	This is the point of the mental exercise.
	Well, I believe everything in existence has a purpose, but I feel this lacks a lot of value.
	Ah, teleology, purpose.
	I love purpose.
	I love teleology.
	I love the idea of a telos.
	What is your purpose on a dating podcast, do you think?
	To bring in a new perspective.
	And could this perspective also be to answer the questions which you're asked?
	And here's the thing: I'll be totally fair, and I'll answer the same question I ask you.
	Isn't that technically her answer though?
	Is this just like off a photo of you, like a picture, or is it like a, they know what your personality is?
	No, they don't know anything about your personality.
	It's just a pure personality.
	Can I say something, though?
	So my thing about that, like my response to that is like, I think it's subjective too.
	Like someone could see me as like a 10 and then someone else could see me as like a, and I get you want to like average it out, but the thing is like someone can factor certain things into looks on average.
	So I feel like you can't really like projectively like be like, because everyone thinks Brad Pitt is hot, right?
	I don't agree with that.
	I totally agree with you.
	That's a good point.
	Wait, actually, I'm going to grant all of this, right?
	You're totally correct.
	It's completely subjective.
	So based on what you think the subjective metric of 1,000 people who were rating you at a county fair, you're in a beauty pageant.
	You're in a beauty pageant.
	And the way that they determine who the beauty queen is is they use the numbers 1, 2, 10.
	And you are estimating what 1,000 men would say you would be based on their general opinion.
	So you mean like on average, like socially subjectively?
	Yes.
	Answer the fucking question.
	Thank you.
	I don't know if I can answer the question though.
	Like what does that even mean?
	One out of 10.
	A thousand guys looking at it.
	One out of ten.
	What are they going to put?
	Well, here's the thing.
	I would have said seven.
	Oh my God.
	Why shouldn't she say one out of ten, bro?
	Wait, listen, listen.
	No, I was deep.
	I won out of ten.
	Go off, queen.
	I wasn't.
	Go off, listen.
	One out of ten, dude.
	What do you think?
	Go off, Queen.
	I gave myself an eight.
	Listen, I was going to say seven, but why can't we say?
	So just say six if that's what you want to say then.
	Go out.
	Or eight, please.
	Come on, just say it.
	Six or eight.
	Six or eight.
	Well, how does this get so deep with every fucking question?
	Just answer the fucking question.
	Yeah, but how does this not like engage more of the conversation, though?
	Because look how many people are sitting at the table.
	There's so many other things we could talk about besides this con like this question is so simple.
	Well, I don't want to answer it in like, I don't want to, how am I supposed to answer it if I don't know how to answer it?
	Like, what do you say?
	It's not your complicated.
	Internalize.
	What do you do?
	What do you rate yourself?
	Okay, I'll say 10.
	The 10.
	There you go.
	10.
	I got it.
	So, yes.
	I agree with you.
	It's okay to get...
	Hang on, hang on.
	Stop the side combo for a second.
	Stop the side combo for a second.
	It's perfectly okay for you to have a clarifying question, but I did clarify.
	So you're in a beauty pageant.
	It's 1,000 men.
	The rating system of 1 to 10.
	They all are holding up their little signs that say 1 through 10, right?
	What do you think the average of that would be?
	She said 10.
	She did answer, though.
	She answered.
	Yeah, I know, but I didn't hear it.
	I didn't answer.
	Guys, guys, guys, let her answer.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry, we didn't.
	10.
	Okay.
	I heard that.
	Hold on, but.
	Oh, God.
	We're coming back to you now.
	Allow me to have a bit of a back and forth on this, so go ahead.
	Well, has your answer, have you reconsidered answering?
	No.
	Okay, so well hold on.
	So now I'm going to have a meta conversation with you.
	So why is it stupid?
	Why is it stupid?
	Yeah, why is it a stupid question?
	Because I feel like it's just on a surface level.
	Like there's no deep.
	You don't care.
	You're not superficial in any capacity?
	No, I'm saying the question.
	You're too far from the microphone into the mic, please.
	I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do that.
	Go ahead.
	But I'm saying in general, the question itself is very surface level, and I don't think it takes into account.
	I'm sorry to have this conversation again because I know we're going to go to the next one.
	So it's okay.
	Have a conversation.
	Go ahead.
	Have the conversation.
	But I feel like it's such on a surface level where I hear this a lot on your podcast where you talk about the rating system and everything.
	And I feel it discounts and excludes the fact that everyone is unique in their own complex way.
	And I feel every person, say out of that 1,000 people, are going to be so different on that.
	They're going to rate you in such a different way because each of those people are so complex, including.
	We totally agree.
	Yeah, I get it.
	It's like an absolutely what you're saying, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So listen, I'm going to repeat back to you what you're saying so that you understand that I know exactly what you're talking about.
	You're saying it's a superficial conversation.
	The reason that it is is because across the board, these ratings are going to be so different, right?
	That it's just going to seem bizarre.
	Perhaps that is true.
	However, that's why we're asking, what do you think the average would be out of all thousand of these people?
	Now, before you say it, but that's superficial, remember that anytime your boyfriend, husband, et cetera, ever has asked you what you want for breakfast, that's a superficial question as well.
	And you answer that one, so maybe you can answer this one.
	Well, for this one, I just think with in terms of even, say, the podcasts, I've seen your podcast a few times.
	In all honesty, I feel like you've been fractaling on with this question over and over and over again.
	It's overplayed.
	But why come on a podcast if you don't want to answer these type of questions?
	The podcast is called whatever.
	So can't we talk about whatever?
	That's a whatever.
	Are you open to debate, though?
	Yeah, bitch.
	Like, isn't that the point of being on here, though?
	That's true, but I'm just curious.
	Why would you come on this type of podcast if you're not thinking that you're going to answer those type of questions?
	Oh, I already knew I was going to answer this one.
	Oh, okay.
	I had this point.
	See, I didn't really make too much.
	Wait, so you said that you're a fractal?
	Something about fractals?
	So fractals.
	What?
	A continuous, infinite loop of energy.
	No, no, no, there's no way.
	She's right.
	A fractal is a continuous, infinite loop of the same thing over and over because you can take one, you can fractal it into an infinite.
	You can make anything an infinite through a fractal.
	Has literally nothing to do with this question, though.
	You could never see a million years to know a fractal has anything to do with this.
	I was using it as a single person.
	Wait, so your objection is the frequency with which I ask this question, which is almost every podcast.
	Is that your objection?
	Is the frequency?
	I just feel like it's overplayed.
	She's got to be different, guys.
	But it's totally different.
	But every single episode, I also ask people their name, their age, where they're from, relationship status.
	That's just like a basic gain to know the person.
	But also, this is very basic too.
	Everyone's going to have a different opinion.
	That same question isn't going to feel the same for every single person sitting here every single time they do the podcast.
	Yeah, everyone's always going to have a different response to that.
	And that's what makes the question unique.
	Not the question itself, but the person answering.
	I get that.
	Yeah.
	So you, let me ask you a couple questions then.
	You guys aren't getting her answers.
	She's not going to say it.
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, that's okay.
	It's fine.
	Okay, so when it comes to physical attractiveness, you don't care at all about that?
	I think it's more.
	So sometimes I'm just kind of like, I will be attracted to someone after I get to know them where I won't feel attracted to them.
	You're not answering my question.
	Are you talking about it?
	I need you to answer my actual question.
	So, yes, are you attracted to people because of their personality?
	Wonderful.
	Can you answer the actual question, though?
	Repeat it one more time.
	Do you make any assessments when it comes to somebody's physical attractiveness when it comes to determining whether you would date them or not?
	Yes.
	Obviously, okay, a couple further clarifying questions then.
	So would height be one of those things?
	No.
	So you would date a guy who's 4'11.
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'7.
	5'7.
	So you would date a guy who's 4'11"?
	I mean, if they were, say, if they were just based off a list.
	Oh, so they have to make up for it then?
	No, go ahead, sir.
	No, I'm saying I want to bring my boyfriend to this because I love him and I don't even want to compare him to in any situation, like some weird.
	I don't want to talk about other guys.
	It's like, period.
	Okay.
	So if I'm saying they were equal, like say my boyfriend was just 4'11.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Say my boyfriend was just 4'11 and he just had me 4'11.
	Yeah, I'd be with him.
	How tall is your boyfriend?
	6'2.
	Nice.
	Yeah, 6 foot.
	Six foot.
	Okay, so two inches.
	Interestingly enough, you don't care about height, but your boyfriend does happen to be two inches above that.
	I didn't physically see him until months after talking to him.
	You never saw pictures of him?
	Yeah.
	Well, I saw him on Instagram, but I didn't see.
	So you did see him.
	I assume that's pretty hype in that form.
	Well, you can make some assessments about height.
	Just seven.
	I could be a lot of kids.
	Okay, so in any case, you would date a guy who's 4'11"?
	If they were exactly, yeah.
	If they're your boyfriend, what if they're not your boyfriend?
	Then no.
	What if you break up?
	Yeah, what if you break up with your boyfriend and you're back on the dating marketplace?
	Well, would you prefer to date a guy, all things being equal, who's 4'11 or 6 feet?
	I don't see myself not being with my boyfriend.
	4'1 and 5'10?
	I'm not gonna be my boyfriend.
	I don't want to be with anyone else.
	If you didn't have breakfast, if you didn't have breakfast this morning, how would you feel?
	I would be hungry, but I don't care because I would rather go be a yogi out in freaking India than gold.
	In any case, this physical issue.
	In any case, you did make a concession that you do factor in physical appearance, correct?
	In some form or okay, so that means you can look at things in a binary, for example.
	So one person is more attractive than the other.
	So zero, one, yes, or no.
	wouldn't necessarily say someone is more attractive than the other just because of this and that reason i think it's you guys i'm sorry You don't need to apologize.
	Just make the correction.
	But I don't specifically say in terms of levels, be like, oh, because this person has this color eyes, they're more attractive than this person, or this person is an inch taller.
	They're more attractive than that.
	Sure, let's say it's just, it's totally ethereal.
	You can't even articulate precisely why or the reasons for why one person or the other might be more physically attractive.
	But can you make the determination that one person is more physically attractive?
	On an energetic level, like you just described.
	Physical looks.
	I'm talking about physical looks.
	Well, you kind of just described it.
	You said on like the level of you can't even.
	That's not what I meant.
	That's not what I meant.
	Okay, but if you did mean that, I would say then, yeah.
	Okay, so I'm just talking physical looks.
	On physical looks.
	Yes, can you make differentiation and determinations when it comes to physical appearance?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But I don't like to in the form of seeing something as lesser than the other one.
	Lesser than something else.
	Okay.
	Which I feel is where this conversation leads.
	Right.
	I feel.
	I have a question.
	You're currently wearing makeup now.
	Do you wear makeup in other capacities?
	How often do you wear makeup?
	Once in a while.
	Once in a while?
	Yeah.
	Like when you go out, would you just put on makeup?
	Sometimes.
	Okay, why do you wear makeup?
	Because I want to.
	Does it improve your physical appearance?
	I'll take it off right now.
	I don't care.
	I'm not asking them to do that.
	But you said the question is stupid and then it's rather superficial.
	But I mean, and you don't really believe in looks and all of this, but I mean, you've applied paint to your face to alter your everything else in my life.
	I'm an artist.
	What do you think?
	Right, you apply paint to like some sort of shit turtle shell.
	I don't know what the shell things or whatever you make are.
	I don't even know what you're talking about.
	Well, you make these like shells.
	They're cool, but you make these sculptures.
	Sculptures.
	They're not shells.
	I don't know.
	Okay, whatever.
	Whatever they are.
	But also, my sculptures that are actually like life-size.
	You haven't seen them?
	Yeah, I think I saw.
	They're pretty big.
	They're pretty big.
	In any case, I'm just confused.
	So you talk about, you know, not thinking the question is superficial, but isn't wearing makeup superficial?
	If you were operating on this higher frequency because why don't you have this conversation with her after we go around the table?
	Why can't you just feel like answering her?
	Can we get to dolphin?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Jesus guys.
	Can't make it.
	Let's talk about this for the rest of the whole day.
	Let's move on.
	She doesn't want to answer.
	There's just rebuttal after one out of ten.
	Yeah, I'm going to keep going, Brian.
	I'm sorry.
	It's a little bit more.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	So no preference with height whatsoever.
	Yeah, I don't care about height.
	You date a guy with a micropenis.
	Small penis.
	Is that okay?
	You're okay with a small pen?
	I guess.
	She's not a small pee.
	I don't care.
	That's you don't care?
	No, I don't.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Then hey, you know what?
	That's fine.
	She's just trying to sound like a good guy on camera.
	There has to be some because I'm not doing it.
	Yeah.
	No, I just don't feel like answering the question.
	I know.
	I'm just giving you a hard time.
	I ain't doing it.
	I just want to say, I want everyone to be able to answer the question.
	Do you think, for example, like, you don't want to answer the question?
	Do you not want to answer the question because you think you're a 10, but you don't want to say it?
	No, I would not say that.
	I just think she's not.
	I think you're a 10.
	You would not say you're a 10?
	No, why?
	Like, I don't.
	Well, I would say.
	She's like a million.
	I mean, this is just checked making.
	In some weird way, it sounded like you were trying to say that I thought I was better than someone else.
	I wouldn't say that.
	I feel I am equal to everyone.
	So we're all in terms of physical appearance.
	Okay, yeah.
	I would say, yeah, we're all tens.
	Okay, there we go.
	Everybody's a 10.
	Okay, we're going to get it.
	Yes, I'll make that point.
	So, okay, everybody's a 10 in terms of looks.
	There's no absolutely zero difference in their own unique way.
	Morgan, is that your name?
	Yeah.
	Morgan's definitely like a 20 at least.
	Okay.
	And so is Helmet over there.
	There you go.
	But yeah.
	Are all men tens?
	Yeah, in their own unique way.
	In their own unique way?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So can you think of, do you have like a celebrity crush?
	No.
	Prior to your boyfriend, maybe?
	No, I actually don't.
	I don't care about celebrities or anything.
	Okay.
	So if I were to pluck out like a 25-year-old male model, would you rather?
	I already saw your list.
	I don't care.
	What list?
	I saw on a prior podcast.
	True rate me.
	Yeah, I don't.
	She's not.
	I don't want to talk about none of that.
	She keeps going and going.
	I asked you to client anyway.
	Wait, but why did you come on the podcast then?
	She just didn't like that question.
	Oh, come on, because you're stopping it for all of us.
	No, boy, we can keep going.
	I don't care.
	Okay, respectfully, though, can we get to dolphin?
	I want to know the okay.
	All right, I'm going to go to the bathroom.
	Hang on, Let's finish up.
	We want to finish.
	We're getting hungry, and I'm getting pain.
	I'm going to win.
	We're going to be tangling right soon.
	I can already tell that that's going to happen.
	But before it does, maybe I would like to just know the answer.
	So, just so that you understand, this was actually a pretty common scientific practice, the wisdom of the crowd.
	They just would do it with livestock, things like this, as an experiment.
	And what they're trying to determine is, even if people are wrong about an actual objective metric, like the weight of a cow, for instance, if you took all of their answers collectively and averaged them, would they be closer to the truth?
	Interestingly enough, the answer was yes.
	So people would guess the cow was 600 pounds.
	Some would guess it was 400.
	Some would guess it was 500.
	Most of them were wrong, but collectively, when you average the answer, it was about right.
	So it doesn't seem like it's a feudal question.
	It doesn't seem like it's a bad question.
	And it doesn't really fit the criteria that you're giving us of overly invasive.
	You're just saying what you think the wisdom of the crowd would be.
	I don't feel it's overly invasive, but to give a blank answer to move on, because we should move on.
	I believe out of my perception that we're all tens, including myself.
	Thank you.
	Okay, let's go.
	Do you think that that would be the average of the crowd?
	Yeah.
	Just say sure, yes.
	Okay.
	Why do some people have modeling contracts and others don't?
	If everybody's equivalent in looks.
	What's that?
	A lot of people actually have modeling contracts nowadays.
	Yeah, but why would, you know, let's say that there's people who want to be models but can't.
	I mean, there's also like connections.
	There's also different things going on.
	That's what's happening in the has nothing to do with physical appearance.
	It's just a little bit of a picture.
	Well, yeah, okay.
	I understand what you're saying.
	I understand what you're saying.
	And I understand now they went from models.
	Yeah, well, it's definitely our slurred now.
	So we're just talking about superficial looks still.
	Wonderful.
	Let's keep going around the table.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	All right.
	You know what?
	You don't.
	Hold on.
	This is her podcast now.
	I know.
	I was thinking she's doing a hoodie.
	When did you?
	Look, look, tell you what, ladies.
	If I want to talk about this for the next hour, we're going to talk about it.
	And I'm going to talk back for the next hour.
	Go ahead.
	Go on.
	That's all fun.
	Okay.
	So, anyways.
	Hang on.
	With great tattoos come great responsibility, right?
	You got to chill out.
	That's the way it works.
	I'm chill, dude.
	I'm super chill.
	She's the most children.
	You don't seem very chill.
	You seem very upset.
	You seem very irritated.
	Calm down.
	Calm down.
	Yeah.
	There we go.
	There she is.
	All right.
	Well, I have, I have to say.
	Does the tattoos make me look mean and crazy?
	I'm really nice.
	Here's what I'm going to do.
	I have a follow-up question for you, but I'm going to get everybody's answer.
	So are you going to answer the question?
	Or you said 10, correct?
	Yeah, she said 10.
	She's a 10.
	Okay, what about you?
	Since I'm twice as old as everyone here, I probably like six and a half.
	Okay.
	Consensus.
	I want to say, I'm sorry, I forgot about that.
	I want to say a 10-2, but I was originally going to give myself like an 8 maybe because I was trying to be nice to myself.
	But now I want to be extra nice to myself.
	And I'm a 10.
	Okay.
	Confident 10.
	Go ahead.
	I'm going with an 8.
	All right.
	I'm going to say an 8.
	Okay, I'll give myself a 5.
	Andrew, what about you?
	So I think that the wisdom of the crowd would probably place me around a 3 or a 4.
	And I rate myself a 4.
	You got to give yourself more credit than that, dude.
	Yeah, you really do.
	Well, no, no, no, stop, right?
	This is what I, what I do is I look around at the reality that I live in.
	In the reality that I live in, I see dudes who are super stacked and they're ripped and they have youth on me and all sorts of different things.
	And based on those criteria, purely physical, we're not talking about personality.
	I know I'm fucking awesome, right?
	I have the greatest personality ever.
	I'm hilarious.
	Great.
	We're just talking about objective beauty standards.
	That's it.
	But you have a cute.
	That's all we're talking about.
	Besides your body, you have a cute face.
	Yeah, I get that.
	But there's lots of men who have a cute face, and then they have the knockout bod to go with it and everything else, right?
	So what I'm saying is that I think that the standard, the wisdom of the crowd, would be about on par with where I'm putting myself.
	And so the reason I asked this question is because I was hoping that I wouldn't get a room for, because every woman who's on this show apparently is the most beautiful.
	They're in the top tier of the top tier of the most beautiful women in the world.
	And you can see where I would be skeptical as to hearing that claim over and over and over again without thinking that maybe I'm being gaslit a bit or perhaps people weren't being particularly honest with me.
	So I thought I would reframe it differently with the wisdom of the crowd.
	And yet, somehow, I still end up with the same exact answer.
	Apparently, a thousand men would also rate you to the same beauty standard that you would rate yourself, which is crazy to me.
	Don't you think that that's a little bit sus?
	It's a little bit like, man, maybe you're not quite being honest.
	No?
	Yeah, it's sus.
	I think people here are lying.
	But don't you think there's a reason why, maybe?
	I think I got the same results.
	You mean delusion?
	Is that the reason?
	No, why is there the same results if you keep doing something different?
	Why are you getting the same results then?
	Well, actually, I just did something different.
	I just did something different.
	So usually the definition of insanity, which I think you're alluding to, which by the way, this isn't the definition.
	It's some like weird layman that came out of the 90s from a bunch of stupid teachers.
	But it goes something like this.
	The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
	So I introduced a completely different hypothetical and still got the same result, which makes me think maybe I'm not insane, but rather the people I'm talking to might be suffering a bit from delusion.
	Okay. I'm saying. I agree.
	I'm saying something completely different.
	You didn't even understand it.
	I said, if you're framing it differently and you're getting the same answer, then there's a variable here that's not being addressed.
	What's the variable?
	Maybe it's the context in which, like, what is the point of the question?
	Like, is what I want to know.
	Well, I'll tell you.
	I'll explain it to you so that you know.
	Okay.
	The point of the question is to ascertain between men and women who is more or less delusional about what the physical characteristics that they have externally presented to other people are actually perceived.
	Right.
	So the perception of other people to how you actually look versus how you think you actually look.
	And let me explain the concept behind why that's asked that way.
	It's because women are inundated with messages from men who want to have sex with them all the time, every day, 24 hours, seven days a week.
	Because of this, you can run into a problem which is unique to females because they have this superpower called female narcissism.
	And the reason that this ends up happening is because so many simps will constantly inundate their DMs that after a while they start to actually believe the bullshit.
	So this is why you end up having a room full of women who are, you know, they could be burn victims with their fucking tongue hanging out of the left side of their cheek and have a hunchback and they go, I'm a 10.
	And you go, what are you fucking on crack?
	Well, no, not really.
	It's not that they're on crack, right?
	Even though you would think so.
	It's because there's still some fucking simp somewhere who's like, oh, I got a fat to this chick.
	That's my thing.
	I love when they have burns and their tongues hanging out and they have a hunchback.
	And so they believe the bullshit.
	That's the point of the question.
	And this is why I tell any girl that asks me that they want to be a dancer that just do it because in the club, you're always going to find somebody that messes with you.
	Right.
	That's exactly right.
	And so now you understand the point.
	Now you understand the reasoning.
	Do you even have an objection to the reasoning or does it make sense?
	It makes sense.
	Guys, gas us up.
	Now, hang on.
	I get that, but I don't agree with that point, though.
	Like, you're like, oh, because we're all narcissists.
	I think it's deeper than that.
	I think it's like.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying you're all narcissists.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Don't say that.
	Women that see themselves as a 10.
	What I'm saying specifically is this, and I'll demonstrate it real quick before you respond.
	If you took your phone and the amount of DMs you get on social media to most any random man and you were to compare how many men contacted you for some type of sex versus how many women contacted them for some type of sex, who do you think would be way ahead?
	You or them?
	You know what's interesting about this?
	So I've heard.
	Let her answer, let her answer.
	I'll answer after.
	I don't understand how you're even phrasing that.
	If you took your phone and the amount of men who DM you to say, oh, you're beautiful, you're a queen, oh, you're great, oh, I wish I could date you, oh, I'd like to have sex with you, et cetera, et cetera, and you were to compare that with any random guy's phone on the street, who do you think would come out ahead?
	Of course, the girls.
	Of course, the girls.
	So, because you can assume then that if you have that much attention one way, that it would be much easier for the one sex to believe in a delusion than the other sex because they're not being gaslit nearly as much.
	I don't think it's about delusion, though.
	I don't think that's the answer or like conclusion to that.
	It's like kind of the way you're saying it is like degrading.
	You're like, well, they're saying they're 10 because they're a narcissist.
	Hooray.
	No, they say you're 100% even a conclusion.
	Like, that's kind of like messed up.
	It's called juicing you up, right?
	They're razzing you up and telling you the most beautiful girl in the world because they want to have sex with you.
	That's why they do that.
	And so, what it does, if you have enough of that male attention, it jacks up your estimation of yourself.
	Men don't have that.
	They don't have the inundation of people jacking their self-esteem up.
	And so it seems that they have a much clearer objective standard of their state in the world when it comes to objective beauty.
	And women seem not to.
	I don't think that's true.
	Hang on.
	Let her respond.
	Let her respond.
	First of all, like, let's just clarify.
	You mean not all men, though?
	Because I know men that are like that.
	Of course not.
	Of course, there's some men out there, of course, that that's going to be the case, that their ego's through the roof, they're drop dead, gorgeous, whatever it is.
	But that's not in general going to be the case.
	A woman who's a mid-five and a man who's a mid-five, if you compare their phones, tell me the truth.
	Who's coming out ahead?
	Okay, here's my response.
	Answer that question first.
	Who's coming out ahead?
	I'm answering that.
	It's women, and it's because society, in like the structure of civilization and society, men have been on the hunt for women.
	That's how it's always been.
	It hasn't been reversed.
	So that is why.
	It's obvious that women are going to get more attention because guys are the ones that have always systemically not.
	I think you're missing some critical context here.
	It wouldn't really matter why.
	Let's say aliens, the reason is because aliens made it happen.
	The reasoning behind it wouldn't matter so much as the fact that it is true.
	And if it is true, then the results of this are: if you have one group who is constantly being gassed up and told you're great, you're awesome, you're sexy, you're hot, et cetera, et cetera, their estimation of themselves is going to be far different than another group that never hears that, right?
	That's the point.
	And that's why I think we end up with these standardized answers, which seem to be delusional.
	But you're asking women what they think about themselves, but they know their personality, they know how they are, but it's hard to say.
	Oh, it just hard to separate that.
	I guess you're not.
	Hang on.
	You seem like you're kind of based a little bit more in reality, right?
	Just a bit.
	So let me ask you: here's the actual question.
	If you go and you compared your phone to whatever guy that you randomly met in the street, who's getting more DMs for sex, him or you?
	I'm for sure getting more DS for some.
	Oh, yeah, you're for sure getting more, right?
	Tons of people.
	But it's not, it's not.
	Do you think that if you had a person who was always treated a certain way, they were always treated like they were a princess, they were always treated like they were better than the cut of the cloth.
	They were always treated.
	Have women always been though?
	That that could affect their psyche to the point where they might think thoughts and delusional thoughts about themselves that weren't true?
	Yes, they're fucking delusional, for sure.
	Yeah, they're fucking delusional.
	And so that's the point of the question.
	It's okay to be a little delusional to make your life.
	If every single chick who comes in here is an eight, then the problem is that everyone's thinking something that isn't true, and we want to know fucking why.
	Hey, just like I said, they're an eight to somebody.
	So if you want to walk around with that delusion or that reality, that's your reality, then that's what you're living in.
	So that's fine.
	If you have somebody's ugly as shit and they're walking around.
	It's a crime about whether or not they're an eight to somebody.
	Another thing about the wisdom of the crowd of if a thousand men were judging, not one, a thousand.
	You take out number seven.
	We still get the same answer, then that means there must be some kind of delusion going on.
	That's a good point.
	There probably is.
	I didn't hear anybody say you can't say number three for yourself.
	You said you can't say seven.
	I would have said seven.
	Yeah, I told them my standard wasn't going to go down from seven.
	So I went.
	Whatever.
	So I have a couple things I want to touch on on this.
	So you asked why does it matter?
	And also, could I just have you scoot your mic to the edge of the table and just don't, you're like shouldering out the two girls next to you.
	All right.
	So, Nick, can you get the hypergamy chart pulled up?
	Because I'll go into that a little bit.
	I do have a question going around the table.
	Do you think you're going to be better looking in 10 years as compared to how you look now?
	That's deep.
	Yes.
	Better looking in 10 years.
	So you're 30?
	I think so.
	So 35, you're going to be better looking at 45.
	I think so.
	What about in 20 years?
	55 versus 35.
	Yeah, if you got money, you can look good forever.
	Get a little Botox, get a little this, a little that.
	Hey, that's my favourite thumbs up.
	Better looking at 55 as compared to now.
	Yeah, I think there's a lot of like older.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Were you better looking at?
	Better looking?
	Yeah.
	Hopefully around the same.
	The same.
	You think you'll look the same at 55 as you do now?
	Okay.
	Yeah, just a couple of little gray hairs, little wrinkles, you know.
	Do you think the tats cover up a lot of like the age, you know?
	If I get wrinkles, I'll just tattoo it, you know?
	Do you think you were better looking at 25 than you are now?
	No.
	So you're better looking now than you were 10 years ago at 25?
	I think so.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Yeah, you know my answer.
	Well, there's new people.
	We just.
	I guess over there.
	Okay, so you'll be better looking at 35 than you are now at 25.
	Yes.
	45?
	Yes.
	55?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I don't think I'm going to look better than I do now.
	Okay, so you're 30?
	I'm 30.
	Okay.
	Were you better looking at 20 than you are now at 30?
	At 20, hell no.
	I look way better than I did at 20.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You are 24.
	Will you be better looking at 34 than you are now?
	Subjectively, I think women look better in their 30s.
	Subjectively, I think women look better in their 30s.
	Subjectively, you think women look better in there?
	So then you'll look better in your 30s then?
	I think so.
	I think they look more sophisticated, and it's about their demeanor and way of being.
	Okay, what about 44?
	You're 25?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I think it depends on the person.
	John Zundus Cormuth donated $200.
	What do you call a lesbian on fire?
	LGBBQ.
	Okay.
	Also, what do you call nine cows in a room with Brian's fat-biteable dumpty dumb?
	Oh, wait.
	It's this podcast.
	Show me the titties, Brian.
	Myum yumsa hashtag bow.
	Okay, thank you, John's.
	Are you going to show him the titties?
	He really wants it.
	I want to see your titties.
	He sent you a lot of money.
	200.
	200.
	100.
	Yeah, 30.
	I'm good.
	Show your fans.
	I need a Bitcoin.
	You got to send me a Bitcoin if you want that.
	All right, you're thinking now.
	Yeah.
	Challenge has been put out there.
	I thought, that was that.
	So 44?
	44?
	Will you be better looking at 44 than you are now at 24?
	I'm unsure.
	You're not sure?
	I would say 30s.
	I would.
	Yeah, we already.
	No, I said cap.
	I don't know.
	Maybe it would just stay, maintain that.
	You just maintain that.
	Until 44?
	Until mental 44.
	It's a little difficult, dude.
	So from 34 to 44, there will be no perceptible changes in your looks?
	Yeah, probably.
	Of course, there would be.
	But maybe on a tract scale, it would stay the same.
	What about 54?
	Probably not.
	I would reasonably say it would change in some form or another in society's eyes.
	In society's okay.
	Yeah, because they perceive older women as, for some reason, less people.
	Why doesn't that apply to 44 then?
	It's for how you take care of yourself, yeah.
	Like that.
	It's how you take care of yourself at 44.
	You never know.
	You could be more attractive at 40.
	Do you think you would look better?
	Let me change the question then.
	So the framing here is all else being equal.
	So people will say, well, I was an alcoholic drug addict and morbidly obese at 20, but at 30, I ate healthy.
	I didn't do drugs.
	I never drank.
	I got eight hours of sleep.
	And I was 13% body fat or whatever healthy body fat percentage is.
	The question really is: if all else being equal, if you possessed all those things at age 20 as compared to age 30.
	Well, 30, like I said, I think there's a sophistication level to that.
	I think.
	Yeah, we're talking about looks.
	No, but even if you're not.
	What he's asking.
	Hang on.
	What he's asking specifically, I just want to make sure that this is totally clear.
	When he says all else equal, what he's saying is all the surgery that you have, whatever you have.
	You don't have any surgery.
	All the fillers you have, whatever you have, and I'm not accusing anybody of having it or not having it, but whatever those things are, whatever your beauty regimen currently is, however it is that you're taking care of yourself now versus you at 20.
	That's what all else equal is.
	That means whatever you're doing now, if it was being done at 20, would you have been prettier at 20 than you are now?
	Personally, at 20 to now.
	She's 24, so I'm 24.
	So 34 to 24.
	I would say, totally four years.
	I would say equal or more.
	Like I said, there's a maturity in your appearance, not just your way of being your appearance itself.
	Yeah, but wouldn't that, if maturity was a factor in terms of determining physical attractiveness, wouldn't then people who are 55, 65, 75, wouldn't they be the most physically attractive?
	Well, I think it's different from when I was 20 years old, I had a baby face and I looked like people thought I was like 15.
	So I think there's a difference.
	Like the way that people grow into their bodies.
	So you no longer have a babyface?
	Maybe, I don't know.
	So what's going to change?
	So you're 24, but you said you'll be more physically attractive at 34.
	What do you think?
	No, for example, it's like if you have, on society's perspective, like fat in your cheeks or whatever, the older you get, the more your jaw slim the fat slims out of your cheeks, the more your nose becomes pronounced.
	The way that is defined, the way your face looks is completely different.
	Jaw structure, bone structure, cheek structure is different.
	Can I ask a question?
	Is it also about the experience that you gain from that point?
	24 that makes you hold yourself physically in an exact demeanor.
	That's what I was trying to say in the beginning.
	Yeah, the experience that you have from 24 to 34 life experience makes you hold yourself different when you're in the middle of the more bodies.
	No, bodies.
	I'm talking about life experience.
	I talk about tragedies and the ups and the downs of wisdom.
	And baggage.
	No, I'm not talking about wisdom, Brian.
	Why are you going so negative?
	Yes.
	That's what life experience is.
	It doesn't matter.
	I'm so sorry that that has been your life experience.
	Okay, hang on.
	I'm actually willing to engage in this because I'm curious about this myself.
	When you say life experience, absent baggage, what the fuck does that mean?
	I actually do want to know.
	Wins, wins, times that you have been very accomplished, like times that make you feel is an accomplishment usually in the face of adversity.
	Isn't that what we consider accomplishments?
	For instance, if, for instance, you beat somebody in the race because you trained really hard, or you were facing some type of adversity to yourself, you overcame it.
	That's the W. How does that not come with baggage?
	How does that not come with making raise?
	How does that not come with sexual partners?
	How does that not come with that?
	So, with the first part, I agree, the sexual partner part, I think it's different, but I'm going to talk about the first part right before you said sexual partner part.
	Okay.
	So, in regards to that, I would say, like you said, the accomplishment comes with baggage, right?
	Yeah.
	But I understand what you're saying there, 100%.
	But when you are older, you're able to, I'm going to throw a term out here, you're probably not going to like it, alchemize that, turn that darkness into light.
	I don't mind you using the term, but I'm not sure in the context that you're using it, I know what it means.
	Can you just really quickly define alchemize for me?
	So, and I'm using it in the spiritual sense: turn us.
	Yeah, what is it?
	What does it mean?
	Turning one thing into another, like turning iron into gold, like something like that.
	So, turning your darkness into the body.
	Which is what alchemy was: the ability to turn non-precious metals into precious metals.
	Anyway, yeah, go ahead.
	Exactly.
	So, turning your perceived baggage into a lighter part of yourself.
	So, the older you get, it doesn't mean you have baggage.
	Yeah, you might have had traumatic experience, but that doesn't mean you have trauma.
	Now, let me give you a very quick counter.
	You do realize when you use the term alchemize, and I love the fact that you use that term.
	Has anybody ever successfully been able to turn?
	Hang on, has anybody ever successfully been able to turn non-precious metals into gold?
	I love this because no, because I'm not going to do it.
	That's the question.
	I said no, because I had this conversation with my friends.
	So, why should I believe that you can alchemize your trauma and your baggage into something good when the very definition of the word that you're using is a transmutation of non-precious metals into gold, which has never been done?
	Man, you really did yourself in on that one.
	No, Andrew, that is not.
	I'm using it in the spiritual context.
	I am not using it in the physical, and you know that.
	Yeah, I mean, but even in the spiritual, it would be the same, right?
	In the spirit, even in the spiritual context, nobody's ever spiritually been able to take any in this case, let's say a precious emotion, let's just say a precious emotion, and turn that emotion into something else without some baggage from it.
	How does that even work?
	No, I got what you're saying in the beginning, but at the end, you lost me.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, okay, so if you have an emotion, if you have an emotion and you turn it into a different emotion, how does it come with no baggage?
	No, even the process of doing that, even the process of doing that is going to be adversity, right?
	No, because that's like healing a part of yourself.
	It would be healing that part of yourself, the baggage that is there, right?
	So, something needed to be healed?
	Not necessarily, but if it's then how are you healing a part of yourself?
	So, here's what do you mean?
	Because then you could the reason why it's overlapping like this is because I'm trying to explain multiple like spiritual knowings into one where you could go into like the deepest one and be like, oh, yeah, everything is perfect.
	There is no need to be healed.
	You're a person.
	But look, I love the esoteric.
	But then the esoteric is a lot of people discussing and healing yourself in this context, turning your baggage into light.
	Yes.
	You got to say something to that too.
	Hold on.
	I got to get this back on the fucking rails.
	All right.
	I got to get this back on the rails.
	This had to do with looks.
	And she was saying that by going through experiences and trauma, that this would somehow manifest itself in you carrying yourself the baggage.
	You were the one who would hold the baggage.
	I didn't say what you're doing.
	No, one of you brought up, well, as you get older, you get more experiences and then you carry yourself differently.
	Ergo, your physical outward appearance is somehow improved through your experiences, which would also include your trauma and baggage, as well as your good experiences where you're going to fucking Cancun or whatever the fuck people do for your good experiences.
	I don't know.
	Articulate to me how even your good experiences will make you look better.
	It's the way you carry yourself.
	I feel like with good experiences, like going to Cancun and being able to afford the trip on your own and making that money at a different age, and you're like, oh my God, it's so accomplished.
	I can just make a counter.
	I can just make a counter argument and say, just as many people have, just as many people, as you go through life, you tend to start accruing certain traumas and holding up baggage.
	Do people, let me ask you guys a question.
	Do people typically get more or less jaded as they get older?
	More jaded.
	So would they then carry more tension in their body?
	Perhaps, and question, here's another question.
	Do people's posture as they age tend to get better or worse?
	Worse.
	Okay, so then I can sort of create this whole argument of over time, your outward physical appearance is going to get worse because people tend to hold themselves in worse ways, either through being jaded, they carry more tension in their body.
	That's going to manifest itself in stress.
	Like you'll see that in people's faces.
	If they've had a lot of stress in their life, they're going to get wrinkles.
	Hair is going to go gray.
	They're going to lose their hair.
	So people's posture tends to get poorer and poorer and poorer as they get older.
	I like what you said about eating healthy, taking care of yourself.
	Like if you're doing all those type of things, working out, stretching, eating the best, whatever the fuck, that's definitely going to make a difference.
	Like, you know what I'm saying?
	I think that the original conversation of from 24 to 34, you gain a lot of life experience that makes you feel confident on who you are.
	And that's how you walk through life.
	You walk more.
	Do you think, but like, okay, just in terms of what men find attractive in general beyond just physical appearance, do you think men care about I think actually men get scared of women that have that confidence?
	I think that after 30, it's a lot harder to date because you are confident.
	And if you're single with no kids, so you're saying women are more off-putting the older they get?
	Off-putting.
	Well, you said men get scared.
	Yeah, they do.
	They get more intimidated.
	They're like, I can't afford this girl.
	You know, at 30 with no kids and living and taking care of kids.
	But I'm talking about 30 with no kids.
	There's a difference.
	But you said that men are attracted to women's experience.
	It's tough out here.
	I didn't say that women, that guys were attracted to experience of women.
	It's because women aren't as men are attracted.
	You're more naive.
	You're more easy to manipulate.
	Men don't care about your confidence at all.
	I would say I could do that.
	Well, that's something you care about.
	That's something new to me.
	You think men like these guys know that?
	What do men care about?
	Brian really attracted to me because they're fucking animals.
	I feel like I attract guys that have a lot of confidence and just what does that have to do with what they're attracted to?
	Well, I'm saying they're going to be attracted to somebody else that has a lot of confidence.
	I don't see how that follows.
	Wait, I feel like guys like confidence.
	They don't want a woman that's going to bring them down.
	They don't want a Debbie Downer.
	Well, hold on.
	You can have a positive disposition and you could be like have perhaps a more shy or shy disposition.
	That's true.
	It's still bag a baddie.
	What about, so say if you were with a woman, right?
	And she, let's get all the way into the details.
	And she was like so, like, there was her confidence level was a zero and she was just constantly like jealous, insecure.
	She had trust issues.
	We're talking about, okay, so let me ask you a question.
	If a guy approached you and he was just super confident, no trembling in his voice, eye contact on point, just you could hear it.
	You hear it in his voice, his manner of speech.
	There was no hesitation, just very confident.
	Whereas if a girl were to step to me in her eye, and she, you know, she approached me and she was like a little bashful and a little bit shy and her eye contact was, but she wasn't like being creepy, but she was like maybe a little nervous.
	That wouldn't be, at least from the guy's perspective, a negative mark against her if she's got a little shake in her voice.
	Whereas if there's a shake in the dude's voice and he steps to you, that's an instant rejection for most people.
	I think that's kind of cute sometimes.
	That's not a good idea.
	It's an instant.
	No, it's easy.
	Not for me.
	I don't like the weird, like psychotic, like, I'm fucking perfect.
	I'm amazing at conversations.
	like if a girl's a little bashful like a little okay i think what you're describing is true on both ends i It's not.
	I feel like some men like when they're bad, like you said, I think that's true.
	I think on the other end, some men like when women are more attractive.
	I think on the other end, women like when men are more attractive, and then sometimes some.
	I'm sorry, I'm getting my words messed up already.
	Like, I'm just, I've only slept two hours within like 24 hours.
	I feel like this goes everyone has to the original question.
	As soon as it gets to right here at this part of the table, and I lost the whole original question.
	I'm glad.
	So I'm going to move it on, but I will bring up the hypertamy thing in the bit, but going around the table, I think we're going with you.
	You are 26.
	Will you be more physically attractive at 36 as compared to 26?
	Okay, I'm going to say 36, yes, but like higher, no.
	I'm going to give you that.
	And then also I'm going to make a comment that I think men have like Benjamin Button disease.
	Like they get more attractive to society as they get older and women get less.
	So it's like reverse.
	That's my comment.
	They get more attracted to society.
	Yeah, men get more attractive in society.
	Like when you look at it.
	Oh, in society, I see.
	So you're saying that men age better than women.
	No, I'm saying to society.
	I'm not saying men age better than that.
	Well, I mean, who is society?
	Right.
	I'm saying based on society standards.
	Yeah, who is society?
	We are society.
	The grand census, in general.
	Yeah, so men and women.
	So think about it.
	So you're saying that based on society, men get more attractive with age, and you're saying that men get more attractive with age, right?
	I'm saying the metric of most people.
	It goes both ways.
	It goes both ways.
	Men and women.
	I'm saying based on society.
	I mean, does it, though?
	That wasn't her claim.
	Her claim is she says, okay, based on society, so now we have society.
	Who is society?
	Society is all men and women collectively, right?
	They're looking through this societal prism.
	So we can reduce this to societal relativism.
	Yeah.
	Relative to the society, men are more attractive as they age than women, right?
	So wouldn't that dictate that most women find older or men to get more attractive as they age?
	Wouldn't that logically follow?
	Yeah, societally.
	Yeah.
	Well, but societally, societally is a collective group of people, right?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, if that's true, then most people would be thinking this, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think that happens through advertisement, through films, through the media.
	If we didn't have films, most older men in their 60s, 50s, 60s, 70s wouldn't think that they need to be with a woman 35 years younger than them.
	But it's accepted.
	Yeah, we can go on this whole tangent.
	But if you look at the data, let's go on this whole tangent.
	No, if you look at this.
	I just enjoy going there.
	Some women that date younger men are given stigmas and names, but it's widely accepted through films and the way society acts that an older man can date someone 20, 30 years younger than it's okay.
	Well, actually, let us find out.
	Hang on.
	I think that that's a fair point.
	Let us test if it's true.
	I have just in my memory a grouping of movies where an older woman is sleeping with a younger man and that's considered to be based and awesome and in every way just fine.
	One that comes to mind, for instance, is American Pie with Stiffler's Mom, right?
	This was a movie that was widely distributed.
	So my question is, let's go one for one.
	Can you name the movie where that's socially acceptable the other way for a man?
	Probably all the movies that were made in the 50s.
	Yeah, no, just name one.
	Okay, so let's see.
	The one with Cary Grant, and then he was with...
	In the 1950s?
	No, wait, wait, let me just go.
	No, in modernity, in modernity, what are the modern movies?
	Roman holidays.
	Like, you see Carrie Grant with someone who's 20, 30 years younger than 70-year-old geriatric dudes are not going to count as far as societal norms now.
	So like in modernity.
	Actually, if you watch any films, especially with female directors, they talk about this subject a lot.
	That it's okay.
	It's taboo for an older woman to date a younger man.
	And named the movie in Modernity.
	She's a woman.
	Where it's the older man with the younger woman, and that is considered, that is pushed and promoted as being a good thing.
	Name one.
	Twilight.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	Not you.
	I'm poking her out.
	And by the way, the reason Twilight doesn't count is because Edward physically stays the same age forever.
	So that doesn't count.
	It's like that.
	So back away from that.
	By the way, that really beast reality.
	No shock to me that the tree lover loves it.
	But back over to this, where I was before I was so rudely interrupted.
	Can you name a movie in Modernity where it's promoted for men to have an age gap relationship and that's promoted as a good thing?
	Isn't Pretty Woman like all about not you, not you, not you?
	The woman I'm talking to who's not answering the question.
	Just answer the question, kindly.
	I'm just thinking, well, there was a movie that was recent that Ann Hathaway was in when she's older than the man.
	Oh, I know that movie.
	And then she got completely beat up about it verbally.
	Society, her child was, you know, teased.
	Yeah, what's it called?
	I forgot what that movie was.
	You would think that if these things were so you would think that if societally it was so prevalent that age gap relationships were looked at as being okay for men to go after younger women, that you would have a slew of examples that you can give me.
	What about society?
	And I haven't actually heard you give me one example of where that's promoted as being a good thing in a movie.
	All you have to do is look at what Hugh Hefner created, and then I met him years ago, and it was.
	That does not surprise me.
	But it was normal for an older man to be with someone 20, 30 years.
	And it's in lots of different.
	Before we move over to the diatribe, which I'm happy to listen to and engage with, can you name a movie of modernity, even the last 20 years, where the age gap relationship is promoted as being a good thing where the man is older than the woman?
	Just one.
	Just looking for one.
	All of James Bond's movies.
	All of James Bond's movie.
	Like the last one.
	Okay, name the one where he's in the age gap relationship.
	Wait, wait, the Daniel Craig movies of the last three he was in, the woman was in their 20s, and he's in his 60s going into the 70s.
	So that's a 40-year gap.
	Wait, what movie is this?
	Daniel Craig was in three James Bond films.
	And he's late 60s, and his co-like star is in their 20s.
	Yeah, but you realize that you can act when you're acting.
	You can still act as though you're the same age as the person who's far younger than you.
	These are not.
	James Bond movies are not presented as James Bond is way older than the women that he ends up with.
	Those are never presented that way.
	They're presented as being in some way equal in age or sophistication always.
	Yeah, but I'm just saying that it's a society thing, that it's okay for an older man to be with a 20, 30, 40-year gap woman.
	It actually is okay.
	It actually is.
	Yeah, you keep asserting that, but where's the evidence for that?
	Here's the thing, right?
	Is that you say that, but in actuality, it's actually, there's a huge actual negative pressure.
	Sorry, I'm not using the right wording there.
	For example, you'll have words like cougar for women.
	It's not clear to me that there's actually any negative stigma towards women who date younger men, whereas older men who date younger women actually get severely pathologized by mass amounts of the population.
	They conflate men who date women in their, you know, who are, if a man's 40 who's dating a 21-year-old, they're going to call him a P-word.
	So there's actually way more stigma towards men who date younger than the reverse.
	While it's more common for men to date younger, there's much greater stigma.
	Oh.
	Yeah, I'll give you an example of this.
	Maybe you just don't know how this goes, at least inside the online sphere.
	But men who date younger women are often called PDF files.
	They're often called names like this because they're dating a woman who is a legal adult.
	She's sometimes 22, 23 years old, and he's 40, 45, and they still call him that.
	That seems like it's a massive social stigma the opposite direction than what you're talking about.
	So I guess it's happening both ways, but because I'm older.
	It's not, though.
	No, but because I'm older than most of the women here, it's like I see that there is a stigma.
	If I'm attracted to someone who's younger than me, then I get called those names.
	So even though I'm not attracted to someone else, yeah, but what are the names?
	What are the names?
	Cougar?
	Cougar.
	I mean, what are the derogatory names that you're called?
	Yeah, you get called Cougar, men get called P-words.
	Yeah, they get called the P-word.
	You get called a Cougar.
	What?
	I can't say it.
	You know what?
	Okay.
	I don't.
	Pedo.
	It starts with Perry.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	Thank you.
	So, like, Bill Belichick, is that right?
	Bill Belichick.
	He's got that 23-year-old girlfriend.
	He's 72.
	That's all over the news lately.
	Oh, didn't they just have a baby?
	That's also the one guy who's like 80 just had a baby with me.
	Back on track here.
	Back on track here.
	So, okay.
	So that was one time, but that wasn't with Daniel.
	Yep, so okay, back on track here.
	So, I mean, you're 55.
	Well, I mean, you didn't specify exact age.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 65 than you are now?
	Well, I just went through both of my favorite people dying in the past.
	How is that relevant?
	I'm sorry.
	How is that relevant?
	Because everyone has been bringing up the fact that when you go through life experiences, stress, it affects you.
	So I feel like 10 years from now, I might look better because I won't be going through such severe stress.
	Let's go.
	So I just went through severe stress of moving eight times, losing all my stuff in the Maui fires, moving here, having to reinvent my life.
	All those stresses affect the way someone looks.
	But we talked about that whole topic for like an hour.
	I'm just saying that you're going to look better in 10 years?
	Yeah, because I won't have all the extreme moods.
	What if you had the same exact stress?
	Then, I don't know.
	Probably.
	Okay, what about in 20 years?
	So 75 compared to 55?
	I don't know.
	God, all my friends are like doing Bo Talks and all that weird stuff.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let me give a little guidance here.
	So, okay.
	Let's remove the stress from your life.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Let's remove the stress entirely from your life.
	55.
	We're going to remove, in fact, we're going to remove all stress from your life for the next 100 years.
	I don't know if you'll make it that far, but most people won't live to 100 years.
	Okay.
	So you're going to have no stress in 10 years' time.
	And let's assume you have no stress right now, too.
	Okay.
	In 10 years' time, will you be better looking?
	So 65 to 55.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Will you be better looking at 75 versus now at 55?
	Probably because I won't care.
	Is that you won't care?
	It's a pretty damn good answer.
	Okay.
	I mean, my grandmother lived nearly 105, and she was like the best person in the world because she was a little bit more than a little bit of a drink.
	Okay, yes, sure.
	But we're talking about physical appearance, right?
	Yeah, physical appearance.
	I mean, I've already talked about physical things, but it gets so fucking deep with every sexual thing.
	Well, because the badaway is express yourself from your life experiences.
	So you change and you form, you know, you morph and you transform.
	And wait, what was the question again?
	Tax.
	Does it get hotter about 75 or 50?
	That's not an extra answer now.
	Yeah, okay.
	All right, 85 or 55.
	85?
	Yes.
	You'll be more attractive at 85.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Will you be more attractive at 95 than you are now at 55?
	Oh, no.
	Okay.
	Oh, 95 is the breaking point.
	95 is.
	95 is the.
	All right.
	What about this?
	What about this?
	Are you more physically attractive now at 55 than you were at 45?
	So 10 years ago?
	No.
	Hold on.
	You were more attractive at 45.
	Yeah, because I didn't go through all this awful stress.
	Now you took her stress away for the older years.
	Yeah.
	Let's pretend there's no stress.
	But I was a tomboy most of my life.
	What about 35 then?
	35.
	Were you more physically attractive at 35 than you are now at 55?
	No, but I had a lot more boyfriends back then.
	Wait, I'm a little confused because you said right now you're going through a significant amount of stress.
	Yes.
	So I don't feel very attractive.
	Wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop.
	Was that stress, the stress that you're feeling now, more than the stress that you were having at 45?
	Yes.
	But you said you're more attractive now.
	No, no.
	I was more attractive at 45 than 20 years ago.
	Oh, excuse me.
	Okay, then I misheard.
	Okay.
	So more attractive at 45.
	Did anybody else mishear that?
	I heard her say that.
	I thought you said, okay.
	Okay, so more attractive at 45 then.
	Okay.
	All right, moving on.
	What about you?
	I'm just going to keep getting hotter.
	Every year.
	Okay, that's true.
	Every year I'm with you.
	Yeah, so you're 25.
	That's a troll answer.
	I'm going to be hot.
	So you're, okay, so you're 25.
	Will you be more physically attractive at 35?
	I hope so because I'm not trying to peek yet.
	So yeah, I definitely will.
	Yeah.
	Will you be more physically attractive at 45?
	Damn, Brian.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	Than you are now at 25?
	Yeah.
	Will you be more physically attractive at 55 than you are now at 25?
	I told you I'm going to keep getting hotter.
	The answer is yes.
	The answer is yes.
	For all the ages.
	For all.
	Okay.
	So I have a question then for you.
	If it's the case that you're going to be more physically attractive at 55 than you are now, do you think that being physically attractive confers certain benefits, like pretty privileged?
	Do you believe in that?
	I mean, I think there definitely, sorry, I think there definitely are instances like that.
	That's definitely a very real thing.
	I mean, people get treated differently based on how they look all the time.
	Right.
	Okay, so if I could wave a magic wand that would, in terms of your outward physical appearance, that would just age you 30 years, and it wouldn't have any impact on your health.
	But you're aging me physically.
	It would have no impact on your health.
	You would still live just as long as you would have otherwise lived.
	Just your outward appearance were going to age you forward 30 years.
	Thank you.
	To where you consider yourself to be more physically attractive, would you take it?
	All right, now it's getting tricky because in my head right now, yeah, I'm going to keep getting hot.
	But I don't want to say yes to your scenario because you're saying you're advancing my body.
	Like, are you giving me a ton of wrinkles now?
	Because that's not my scenario.
	Hang on.
	Yeah, that's not my scenario.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Are you aware that what Brian just did was he caught you in what's called cognitive dissonance?
	You yourself, inside of your brain, believe that in 20, 30 years, you'll be just as good looking as you are now.
	But as soon as Brian says, okay, there's no health ramifications, you would actually be more beautiful by your own estimation in 30 years.
	If I had a magic wand and can wave it, and therefore you're aged forward, now you're more beautiful than you are right now with no negative health ramifications.
	How could there ever be a no?
	Oh, how could there be a mistake?
	No, that was my mistake.
	Then I misheard the question.
	If I'm getting more, if he is agreeing, then I'm going to get more hot.
	No, he's not agreeing.
	Well, then my original thing is.
	You mentioned wrinkles, too.
	Well, because in my head, when you're saying, like, all right, you're, my body's going to stay the same, but you're going to hack 30 years of life into my skin.
	No, hold on.
	Your body is not going to stay the same.
	Your body's going to age.
	You just said that it wasn't.
	No, hold on.
	Let me restate.
	There's no health.
	There will be no health.
	So, for example, there won't be any negative health consequences that are related to aging.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	If you would otherwise die at age 80, if I age you forward 30 years, you would, it's not going to, like, you're not going to die sooner.
	You're not going to have any health problems sooner.
	If you were at age 60, get cancer, you're not going to get it sooner.
	It's just your outward physical appearance.
	Yeah, I'm sticking with it.
	I'm going to.
	Yeah, so you'll get wrinkles.
	Well, if I'm going to be hot, and I'll have some wrinkles.
	Okay.
	So, if Brian could age you forward, just appearance-wise, 30 years, and there was no negative health ramifications, you would let him wave the wand.
	In fact, you would tell him to, because it would just, you would just be more beautiful, right?
	Well, okay, this is my like scenario.
	I have to make active choices to ensure that I just keep getting hotter.
	Like, he's just waving it right now.
	Like, I don't know.
	Yeah, but whatever.
	So, so, whatever those active choices would be, ordinarily, we're assuming that those active choices are implemented inside of the hypothetical of him waving the wand.
	So, you should actually demand that he wave such a wand because you would be even more beautiful.
	I will demand it, Brian.
	Why do you want to take years off your life, though?
	Yeah, but why are you aging?
	No, no, no, no years off the life.
	Oh, okay.
	So, that makes a difference.
	Well, no, no, by your estimation, whatever you think you'll look like at that age, right?
	We don't know what you're going to look like.
	We just have to go off your assumption.
	You believe that you're going to be much hotter in 30 years than you are right now.
	So, let me give you the distinction.
	I think that's fucking delusional and insane, but you don't.
	You think that that's totally reasonable and fine.
	So, if you do, so hang on, that's fine.
	But if you do think that that's reasonable and fine, you do think it'll be more beautiful, then you should be going to the wand maker, right?
	$200.
	These answers show how delusional y'all are.
	The top men at these clubs who could get anyone aren't surrounded by gilfs if there even is such a thing.
	They're surrounded by 20-year-old versions of you.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Great.
	What clubs?
	I can't wait for you to get that.
	What clubs are you talking about?
	So, just back to this real quick: you would want Brian to wave the wand and age you forward 30 years.
	I mean, no, because I don't really want to age like right now.
	I want to do it like myself, but I will get hotter, is what I'm saying.
	Chris donated $200.
	Thanks, ladies.
	I would not be able to keep my roster of side chicks if it wasn't for ladies like you co-signing the BS that I tell them.
	You are helping us with guys pumping dump feminists on birth.
	Control.
	So, you wouldn't want him to wave the aging wand, even though you would be hotter with no health ramifications?
	That's really weird.
	No, because I'm going to get there in my own time.
	Like, I don't need him to speed it up for me.
	Like, that's fine.
	Yeah, but there's no speeding up.
	You just are going to look like you would in 30 years, but there's no negative health ramifications.
	Your age physically stays the same.
	You just look like you would at 30 years plus.
	No, I'll just wait until I get there.
	Is filler included?
	Because if Philler is like, Can I say this real quick?
	Like I just side comment.
	I, like a year ago, I remember there was a study when I was in one of my classes in school, and they were like, Yes, like men and women, when they did this massive like meta-study, they were like, men and women, like are more attracted to someone usually that's younger, does look better, right?
	Objectively, they look better, let's be real.
	So, but in terms of dating someone, the older they got, the more they matched up with their age.
	Yes, but hang on, let me give you the counter to this because I understand the series of studies that you were referring to.
	Yes, that is true.
	And generally, people date within about three years, generally, of whoever their partner is going to end up being.
	This is absolutely correct.
	But this is because the pool in which they draw from is generally going to be amongst their peers, and they're given no alternative options.
	However, if you adjust for alternative options, meaning you show them a picture of young, hot 20-year-old and 50-year-old, and say, if you could ideally pick one, which would you pick?
	Which one do you think they pick?
	Private chat.
	So, dating-wise, they would definitely, I mean, depends on the values, of course, right?
	But dating-wise, you have nothing in common when you're 80 with a 20-year-old.
	Either way.
	Nothing.
	You have nothing.
	Okay, so first of all, I didn't give you the wide berth of a geriatric versus a 20-year-old.
	Okay, let's go with that.
	What I said is that if you're a 50-year-old, if you were a 50-year-old, 40-year-old, 30-year-old, and you were given the picture of the 20, 21, 22-year-old versus the person in your age bracket, and you were asked which one you would prefer, you say, I prefer the younger girl.
	Now, I'm conceding your one point, which is that people do generally date within their age bracket, but that's because those are the peers which they have around them.
	So that is the pool they can draw from.
	But if given the option of alternative pools, they would draw from those pools.
	Yep.
	So I think that's just a hypothetical.
	Like, where is that even coming from?
	It's not a hypothetical.
	That's data analysis.
	That's actually, not only has this been catalogued and the data has been set in, and how they did this was this.
	I'll give you the methodology so that you understand.
	What they did was they said, okay, we're granting that most relationships happen within about three years of each other.
	So they went to a bunch of men and they asked the men, okay, if you could have this pool of women who look like this versus this pool, one being 10 to 20 years older in their age bracket versus the one 10 to 20 years younger.
	Guess which one they went for?
	Which one do you think they would?
	Okay, here's the thing.
	I understand where you're going with this.
	No, no, no.
	Answer my question first and then tell me where I'm going with this.
	Yes, they would.
	Which one do you think they would?
	You said based on looks.
	You just said based on looks.
	That they would obviously go for the one that looks better.
	But when it really comes down to that.
	And which ones were those?
	Hang on.
	Which ones were those?
	The younger ones or the ones?
	The ones that are younger?
	Yes.
	Yeah, that's right.
	The younger.
	Yes.
	So, but you're saying when they looked at a picture of someone, not when they're actually interacting and conversing on things that someone has no idea where they even were when they were when 9-11 happened.
	So all you're saying is that if we could project a 50-year-old's personality into a 20-year-old's hot body, men would always go for that.
	That's all you're saying.
	Wouldn't we all?
	I mean, all you're saying is like, okay, so some men prefer to have long walks on the beach and late night conversations, but they still would really prefer a hot chick.
	That's what you're saying.
	We actually, though.
	We actually have some stuff we completely.
	Hang on, hang on, say that again.
	I think we all would.
	Right.
	I think we all would.
	So this is where you need to move out of the delusion because you just admitted you think we all would, which would include you, which would include the 50-year-old, which would include all of them.
	So you can't give me that, oh, the age gap gives me the ick, right?
	Can't do the ick.
	Can't do the ick.
	I said in society's eyes, that's how they view men and women.
	I didn't never say that.
	No, you didn't.
	You said, I think we all would.
	That's a collective, which includes you.
	We all would date someone that looks better.
	Yeah, and if those people happen to be younger.
	If people happen to be younger, would you be dating the younger people?
	The thing is, like, I'm trying to present like a value type scenario here.
	Like, it's not just all about looks is the whole point.
	Like, when it comes down to it, the reason why they're with that person, the variable there is because of the values, is because of like the timeframe of the mindset.
	It's not about looks at the end of the day.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's about looks at the beginning of the day.
	It's not when you see the picture.
	It's not about looks, huh?
	And you see the picture.
	It's the law of diminishing returns for women.
	It's the law of diminishing returns.
	Looked way better at 30 than at 50.
	You know, I still feel like I'm an attractive lady, but I looked way better at 30.
	And one laps around like your 20-year-old self now, though.
	You know, mentally.
	Mentally, absolutely.
	But just on a physical dynamic, it's the law of diminishing returns and your youth and your collagen and your beautiful non-wrinkled skin and all of that stuff is part of the package of what a man that's older and successful and established is going to be attracted to, you know, and that's just the trade-off.
	That is the trade-off of how it's always been with humans.
	Initially.
	Yes, of course.
	And I certainly have a husband who values my mind.
	He thinks I'm a 10, and he thinks I'm brilliant or whatever, right?
	Makes me feel like I'm being viewed as a whole entity, not just physical appearance, right?
	I make him laugh, he makes me laugh, all of that stuff.
	But when you're a young woman, your mind is not what men are instantly judging you by.
	They take one look and boom, they make snap decisions in their head based on whether they'd want to talk to you, whether any of that stuff.
	And so, and as you get older, your looks are going to go down the decline.
	I mean, that's just a fact of life.
	It's like looks trade-offs.
	Now, there's trade-offs.
	And for me, it's just cope.
	So is it opposite?
	It's just cope.
	It's just cope.
	That's not what I'm arguing.
	It's not what I'm arguing.
	But this idea that in terms of the attractiveness of your personality and the attractiveness of your mind, it somehow increases as you get older is absolute cope.
	I don't know.
	Most people, again, I already asked you guys: do you get more jaded as you age?
	Most people, in my estimation, typically don't tend to actually really develop like really compelling, fantastic personalities as they get older.
	I've always been kind of confused because if I was 50 trying to date and I'm on a dating app, I'm going to be looking around for other 50 people.
	You're a woman, though.
	Men and women are different.
	You wouldn't try to snag your little like fine-ass little 30-year-old little Zach.
	Nick, pull up the studies, please.
	Why would she want to be a little bit more?
	Is it good looking?
	Probably not.
	If I saw someone 30 and they had a great.
	Hold on.
	Oh, no.
	You're too hot and too rich.
	I don't want you.
	Okay, come on.
	What kind of cope is this shit?
	Oh, you're too hot and too rich.
	I don't want you.
	Said no chick ever, ever.
	Nobody.
	Show of hands.
	You're too hot, too rich.
	I don't want you.
	Lie to me.
	Put up your hands.
	I want to hear it.
	I want to hear that the guy who's 20 years younger than you at 50, who's just too hot and too rich, I just don't want him.
	Because, you know, he's got some personality quirks.
	I'm not sure.
	He doesn't like it.
	He doesn't like fucking basket weaving as much as me.
	I don't care how much money you have.
	Yes, I fucking do it.
	No, I don't care how much money you have.
	When you got a whack-ass personality, I'm going to leave.
	Which is why the state.
	Okay, well, what do you want your money?
	My brother had a shit ton of fucking money, and I still left his ass.
	What about honey and good dick?
	Let's test it.
	Let's test it and see if it's actually true.
	What are the actual things that you want your man interested in that you're interested in?
	Go ahead.
	Me.
	Yeah.
	I think that's her answer.
	No, no, no.
	I just want him interested in me.
	What do you want him interested in that you're interested in?
	He's interested in me.
	Okay, yeah, he's interested in you.
	So, what are these quirks at 30?
	What are these interests at 30 that he's going to have that you don't have?
	We have a lot of interest.
	I have a lot of interest.
	Okay.
	I could also match his interest.
	Okay.
	It's about you're not answering the question.
	You're off.
	You're literally.
	Repeat the question.
	Repeat the question.
	Ask it again.
	What are these interests you think you're going to have at 50 that you just demand that your man also must have?
	Honestly, I think we're going to have our own interests because we're different people.
	Right.
	So then, so then he's too hot and too rich at 30 because he doesn't share some perceived interest you don't even have, really?
	Usually wisdom matches up at the end of the day.
	Like, once you get older, what is the thing that you demand your man has?
	You don't even know yet for respecting each other's interests.
	Like in your 30s.
	Are you talking about material things like a house, this, and that?
	Interests, hobbies.
	You're talking about hobbies, right?
	I have no idea what you're talking about.
	Well, so what I'm trying to do is this.
	I'm trying to say, I don't actually believe you when you say if you're at 50 and you're you, this 30-year-old guy who's really good-looking and really rich is incompatible due to some sort of interest differential.
	Hell yeah, which is what you're saying.
	Okay, okay, stop, stop.
	Hang on.
	Let me finish the question.
	That's what you're saying.
	Then tell me what those interests would be.
	My interests would be like crocheting, building puzzles, like talking about shows like iCarly and Tiberius.
	Talking about SpongeBob and making references.
	I just want to make sure I got this clear.
	I got this clear.
	Playing World of Warcraft.
	50 years old, you're going to reject a 30-year-old.
	Why are you putting me off with a lot of money because he's not interested in your fucking crocheting?
	Lie to me again.
	Lie to me again.
	I'm lying to you.
	What I told you is that I would want to be with a partner that respects my interests.
	He doesn't gotta be into him.
	But he can ask a question about anywhere.
	Gives a fuck about your crocheting and you know it.
	Like, how many more lies you gotta tell?
	Nobody's like, honey, I love your tell me more about your needs.
	It's important to me.
	If I'm 50 years old and he got bred and he has a shitty personality, I'm not taking it.
	I'm 50.
	I'm well off.
	I'm good.
	I'm still, though.
	But when you say that, I ask what that means.
	You say it's a lack of shared interest, right?
	That's part of the personality.
	I'm not a lack of shared interest.
	Yeah, no, you just did.
	In fact, you gave us crocheting as an example.
	I gave you interest.
	You legitimately are going to reject a 30-year-old.
	Hang on.
	At 50, you think you're going to legitimately reject a 30-year-old hot dude with a lot of hats?
	I am.
	Interested in your fucking crocheting.
	I'm personally going to reject anyone with a shitty personality.
	And I thought that was a topic.
	Yeah, that's not my question.
	What's my question?
	Repeat it back.
	Okay, so if your question is, if I'm going to reject someone because he doesn't like my crocheting, I'm going to be like, yeah, I understand that.
	Yeah.
	He doesn't like my interesting.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	What the fuck are you doing?
	That's crazy.
	But that wasn't the question.
	You said if he wasn't interested in my humanity, yes.
	The question was, if he wasn't interested in all of my hobbies, and I thought it was also that he had a bad person.
	What hobbies?
	Was that not the original question?
	That he was a piece of shit and he was hot and rich.
	The question was.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	What hobbies?
	A bad person.
	Not a good personality.
	If he has a shitty person.
	Stop with that for a second.
	What hobbies?
	You just said, if he's not interested in my hobbies.
	But the original.
	I want to know specifically which hobbies.
	Let me ask the question.
	Let me ask the question.
	What hobbies specifically, which hobbies specifically do you demand he takes an interest in?
	Because crocheting, you don't give a fuck.
	Fuck.
	If he has his own hobbies, he has his own hobbies and I have my own hobbies.
	Like, that doesn't matter.
	The original question was about.
	This is Kron.
	This is totally derailed.
	This is totally derailed.
	Can I respond about the wisdom thing?
	Okay, but let me move it back to what I was trying to.
	I want to finish this up, so go.
	No, you go.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I'm just, I'll just say real quick: like, I'm, I think, like, I totally agree.
	The interest thing, like, cultural, like, I want to watch iCarly when I'm 60 with you, period, right?
	Um, but the wisdom thing, like, usually I think it matches up at a certain age.
	Like, why do you think that, like, a lot of guys who are players when they're younger become like faithful when they're older?
	I've literally seen this.
	My uncle do this.
	You think men care about you?
	I don't even think women really care about wisdom.
	Otherwise, there would be chicks in the DMs of like the most intelligent engineers and the smartest, nerdiest guys.
	Chicks want to fuck the athletes, the hot dudes, the stat, the guys with status, the models, the actors.
	Get out of here about even girls wanting wisdom.
	That's fucking bogus.
	Otherwise, y'all be trying to fuck rocket science.
	Are you projecting on me?
	I just want to say that.
	No, if you're projecting, I don't care.
	I said that.
	I'm going to say that.
	You can't say I'm that shit.
	I'd be smashing on the nerds.
	Like all the restreamers.
	Like, dear 50-year-old engineer.
	Can you please explain to me how a servo works that no chick ever?
	Okay, we don't fucking care about wisdom.
	What are you talking about?
	Bro, if it was about wisdom, if y'all were attracted to wisdom, bro, engineers, fucking software engineers, coders would be drowning in fucking pussy.
	But they're not.
	You guys want to fucking athletes.
	Do you have any?
	You can ask.
	I don't.
	You guys want to fucking screen?
	No, you don't.
	How am I fucking with you?
	I came on.
	He has more fucking data.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Here this check is going to be.
	Wait, hold on.
	Check this out.
	I came here and I said I would date you.
	And you're literally like, what are you doing?
	You're not, you're not.
	I'm not a fucking podcast host.
	Yes, I said.
	You're so wrong.
	What is wrong with you?
	You're not an actor.
	He has one of the largest IRL podcasts in the world.
	You run a podcast.
	He's perceived as being rich by multiple women.
	Oh, geez.
	What could be the alternative motivation?
	He's awesome.
	I'm going based off his looks.
	Okay, so hold on.
	Hold on.
	She wants to smash.
	You know what?
	Wait, guys.
	She's a fan of the child.
	I'm attracted.
	She's an affair.
	Okay, who do you think is getting more DMs?
	Drake or some like computer scientist who goes to UCSB?
	Drake's on the internet.
	That's different.
	If it was about wisdom, it was about wisdom.
	These software engineers.
	I wish I could find a software engineer.
	I wish I could find a software engineer.
	Is anyone else hungry?
	Hold on, hold on.
	I'm just curious.
	Only one person can be talking at a time.
	So let me say what I have to say.
	Okay.
	If it was the case that y'all really, really, if women across the board thought wisdom was the number one attraction trigger, then these software engineers and I'm trying to think, physicists and mathematicians would be drowning in fucking pussy, but they're not.
	I'm not on the internet.
	I volunteer.
	I don't know about those people.
	If people are going for athletes and movie stars, it's because they have PM.
	You went to UCSB, right?
	Do you think the soccer players at UCSB, you know, on a balance of probabilities, on a balance of probabilities are like the soccer players at UCSB getting more pussy than the guys who are doing software engineering.
	But there's also a different way that they idolize the soccer player and they don't acknowledge the status of the soccer players.
	They idolize theirs.
	I'm not talking about the women.
	I'm talking about their coaches.
	I'm talking about the teams.
	It's a part of their strategy to boost their confidence so they can win whatever match they're playing.
	So they idolize that and they glorify that.
	So it's constantly on the internet.
	It's constantly being talked about.
	But you have an engineer that's just doing a really, really great job.
	No one's talking about that.
	Right, precisely.
	Yeah.
	But if it had to do with wisdom, women would seek out.
	Oh, really?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I think women.
	Wait, wait, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Let's back up.
	Nobody's talking about Bill Gates.
	Nobody's talking about Steve Jobs.
	Nobody's talking about these massive engineers who are pioneers of computer tech.
	Did you ever see what their women look like?
	What do you see?
	You think that they're women for fucking knockouts or what?
	Come on.
	These are some of the most talked about men on planet Earth.
	They were fucking dorks.
	They were not pulling good trust.
	Guess who they left their wives for?
	You know, they weren't.
	Guess who they left their wives for?
	What's that?
	Younger women.
	Jeff Bezos.
	Younger women, what?
	They left their wives for younger women.
	Jeff Bezos new chick.
	Ain't she not.
	I shouldn't.
	I'm not.
	Jean Musk is dating Grimes.
	Not going to be mean, but Jeff Bezos.
	The point is, though, is that half of these guys' wives leave them.
	They leave them.
	Yeah, because they get that check and they don't know what they're saying.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	They have all the wisdom in the world.
	They have billions of dollars.
	Their wives end up.
	Stop.
	Let me finish the point.
	So the wives end up needing the reason for this issue.
	No.
	This is called the hot hand fallacy.
	The big short.
	Delulu women think that what's happening now is going to continue to happen even more in the future.
	Thank you for that.
	Because they think they're going to age like wine.
	Nope.
	Thank you, Francis.
	Appreciate it.
	Andrew, if you can, just go ahead with your point.
	I'll just very quickly wrap up.
	So I'm just saying, no, there are plenty of very aged, very wise men who also happen to be ugly as shit, who it seems that women are not very into, even though, even though they're rich and they have all the wisdom and all of that, somehow they still end up not going for those guys, but going for the six-foot-two jocked-out guy who they actually are attracted to.
	To Brian's point, let's do Nick Twitch first, then we'll do the studies.
	Then we got to, we haven't even finished going around on the question.
	Then we got to.
	All right, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash/whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub if you have one.
	It's been 10 minutes since our last prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	So if you guys can do a little test, maybe test out the prime.
	I think our primes are bugged.
	So drop us a follow if you're watching over there on Twitch.
	We're going to be doing IRL streams and Maddie's doing solo streams on there.
	So be sure to drop us a follow, guys.
	And the streaming quality is way better over there on Twitch.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And comedy, thank you for the resub.
	Appreciate it.
	The tier one.
	Thank you.
	And then here's the studies really quick to kind of touch on this since you brought up some studies of your own.
	All right.
	So this is a woman's age versus the age of the men who look best to her.
	So as a woman ages, she typically tends to find a guy a couple years, a little fewer years older than her, typically more attractive, although it does tend to change as they get into, in terms of what they of the men who look best to her.
	And to your point, it doesn't necessarily mean that these are the men they're going to end up with or be in a relationship with, but this is what they find the most physically attractive.
	And then there's the man one, Nick, if you can switch over.
	A man's age versus the age of the women who look best to him.
	And then across all ages for men, you have men on the left there.
	Even into their 50s, they prefer men in their or prefer what the fuck?
	They prefer women in their early 20s.
	Yeah.
	So but again, it doesn't mean that a 50-year-old can get a 22-year-old.
	But it's also at the end of the day, when it comes down to it, they think they're more attractive, but they end up dating at the end of the day someone who's around their age.
	Right, but so if they could if they have where is that coming from though?
	Is that just like a thought?
	Like, where is that coming from?
	I mean, we see this.
	So, if you look at like hyper-successful men, for example, if you look at Leonardo DiCaprio, we had Toby Maguire, if you could pull that up, Nick.
	Toby McGuire, you got it.
	There was a bit of, he's 49, Toby Maguire from Spider-Man, the best Spider-Man.
	He's dating a 20-year-old.
	And can you show us the next tab?
	On do we have the next tab?
	Yeah.
	Good for them.
	No, that's not her.
	It's up.
	The first one.
	Click the first one.
	Click the first one.
	White.
	The next one over.
	Click the next one over.
	There's a better one.
	Can you scroll up?
	The Instagram one with the pink tops?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's the one.
	You can click it, but I don't think that's her.
	No, the one below it, click the one below it, the sun.
	Damn, why?
	There's okay.
	Click the one, the up middle.
	Yeah.
	Can you move us?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I got you.
	Okay, Toby McGuire, I mean, terrible photo.
	They caught him impromptu.
	Okay, so he's 49 dating a 20-year-old.
	He's getting a bunch of flack for it.
	Yeah, men who have the capacity.
	Oh, there's also, who's the lead singer of the Red Hot Chili Peppers?
	Nick, could you Google that?
	What's his name?
	It's like Anthony or something.
	Anthony Keith Pet?
	Wait, what is his name?
	Chat?
	Lead singer of Red Hot Chili Peppers.
	Just be like his name, Anthony Keitas, girlfriend.
	It's easier to manage a younger woman.
	I think it's, you know, that's a perfect age physically for having children.
	I just, I really feel like that's like the way they're going for them.
	They're going because they're easier to manage.
	No, I think they're hardwired to procreate.
	Yeah, to procreate the just Jared one.
	I think it's that they've been influencing society for so long.
	I think it's hardwiring because it's all of humanity.
	Media.
	Yeah, that is true.
	All right.
	That's him.
	He's in his 60s.
	It looks like a daughter.
	Who is this?
	I don't know who that is.
	Anthony, I believe he's in his 60s.
	He's marrying his daughter.
	He's 61.
	The social currency.
	She's 20.
	The social currency is in humanity.
	And speaking of not just modernity, but all of human history is a very good idea.
	Why didn't someone just say he was marrying his daughter?
	It's going to be younger women with daughters.
	Young women are considered currency that can protect and provide for them and give structure and stability and have a home and a household.
	And then the women are procreating and they have that ability to do that.
	So, I mean, it's always been the disparity with that age gap throughout human history.
	I just feel like they're hardwired to see that as attractive and apart from.
	I think it's also like societal values, too, right?
	Like, because it's like society kind of brings and teaches men to like value youth.
	Youth, yeah.
	Do you think there's a biological basis for that?
	Infantile type characteristics.
	Infantile.
	Yes, they want hairless, they want hairless women, small, petite, like innocent, don't know shit.
	Okay, hold on.
	Here, let me just turn this directly around on you.
	Shave.
	I'll just, I can just do the same sort of pathologizing towards women.
	So, women who are desirous of tall men, they have their incestophiles because they think of tall men, they think of their fathers.
	Or women who like big muscular men.
	I'm just using your same ridiculous logic back at you.
	But what if my dad's short?
	Yeah, but what if you don't like hairless women, right?
	That's very important.
	Yeah, but that's very rare.
	Like, let's be real.
	All right, but if we're only going to point at outliers when you're talking about a society-wide phenomenon, then I just would like for you to do this for me, if you don't mind.
	If you don't mind, can you name for me any society anywhere that you can think of that prefers hairy women who are fat?
	Can you name one?
	Like ancient societies?
	Yeah, name any.
	Okay, let's look at all the sculptures in history.
	Italian.
	Back in history, if we look at what was painted in history, it was different values.
	No, they were bigger.
	Okay, great, great.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	I'll just grant it.
	Can you name a single society which valued hairy fat women?
	Oh, my God.
	Italians during their Renaissance.
	Let her answer.
	During the Renaissance, being heavier.
	Let her answer.
	Yeah, like the women that were especially bigger were seen as wealthier, like having more.
	Yeah, what society was this?
	I don't know, like a town.
	I don't know what it was, but it's true.
	You can look it up right now.
	Why don't we allow each other to help us with the answers?
	True.
	That's not true.
	Also, like the thing is, you can come in after the exchange is done.
	If you have a rebuttal, you can come in and be like, actually, I know this society, Andrew.
	You don't because they don't exist.
	But you could do that after the exchange is done, right?
	But I'm not arguing with six people at once because I can't even understand the arguments then.
	So I just argue with one person at a time, which is totally reasonable.
	So back to this, can you name a single society which values hairy, fat women?
	I'm waiting.
	So I don't know if I can known a specific society, but I know that it was a thing.
	Wait, I have a question for you.
	Out of all the societies which you're aware of, are you aware of the Roman society?
	Yes.
	Okay, great.
	Did they take up most of the world?
	Almost.
	Are you aware of most of the European societies which exist today?
	Yeah.
	Are you aware that there was barbarian societies which existed?
	Yes.
	Are you aware that there was Viking societies which existed?
	Okay.
	So these are massive societies.
	They spanned the entire world, many of them.
	Can he name any of them which really valued hairy fat women?
	Let's look at the argument.
	Answer the question first and then ask one.
	Hairy.
	First of all, women don't have as much hair.
	Can he answer the question first?
	Can you answer the question first?
	Listen, you're trying to drag me into a place because you want to lead me somewhere.
	And what I'm going to say first is no, right?
	Because women don't have as much hair as men.
	Like, biologically, they don't.
	But Brian's right and there's a biological basis for women.
	Let's be real.
	Ask men.
	Like, ask 10 men in a group.
	Like, do you like hairy armpits on women?
	And they're going to say, no.
	Wait, I have a question for you.
	So Brian said there might be a biological basis.
	You say, no, I don't think so.
	I think it's pathologized through society.
	And then when I give you tons of the most major, massive societies that you're aware of, you can't name a single one of them that didn't appreciate that.
	And then say, oh, because it's biological that women have less hair.
	That means Brian's right.
	I'm saying within like pictures in history, you're not going to see like a long ass hairy armpit.
	Like it doesn't, it's not, it's not visible like that.
	But guess what?
	They have bushes.
	They have bushes.
	That's one thing you will see on a damn sculpture.
	And it's a very good idea.
	Okay.
	Did Romans make statues of women?
	I don't know.
	I can't think of any topic.
	I can't go back to my society a second ago.
	Do a computer or something.
	Yeah, so Romans made statues of women.
	They have a computer.
	And they were naked.
	They were naked statues of women.
	You're aware of this, right?
	Yes, okay.
	Yeah, and they didn't realize that this was thousands of people.
	We can't see it.
	They still apparently did not like obese, hairy women.
	They still apparently didn't like that.
	So it's like the standard has existed.
	It's almost some kind of like objective standard for thousands of years.
	I have a question for you.
	So, okay, is your argument then that men who are attracted to women with light body hair or who shave down there, are you making the argument that they're P-words?
	No, I'm saying that in society, youth is valued in women.
	Yeah, but you said something along the lines of infantilizing women.
	That's how society is.
	So if you have sparse body hair or you shave down there, that's something of an infant.
	To society's standards, it doesn't have to be a conscious thing.
	It can be subconscious within a thing, right?
	But to society, it's youth that's valued.
	And whatever is younger youth appearing is going to be valued.
	Can I say that?
	That's going to be less hair.
	What's up?
	Ryan, I don't mean to be rude to anyone's conversation, but I do have to get back to my baby in LA.
	I don't want to be rude, but I just was wondering how much longer is the podcast going to be for.
	Or if you let me stay for a while.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we're probably going to wrap it.
	Probably not.
	Can you give us another hour?
	I definitely can't do another hour.
	Can you give us 45 minutes?
	That's still a long time.
	What time is it right now?
	Is it 9 o'clock?
	Yep.
	Yeah, that's ridiculous.
	I have a five-year-old I have to get back to.
	It has been here for, like, I just thought it was going to be a couple-hour thing, so he was like, I have to get back to my kid type situation.
	You know?
	Not to be rude.
	You were the chosen one.
	You were the fun one on the panel.
	You guys have plenty to talk about.
	You've let your whole team down.
	You've let them all down.
	Look at what you've done.
	MILF duties, man.
	What the fuck is that?
	MILF duties.
	Yeah.
	Wait, you said that you're.
	Didn't you say that you're the guy's watching her?
	He was.
	Yeah, he was watching my son.
	It took us two and a half hours to get here, and I told him I was going to be back tonight before my son goes to sleep to get him.
	He can't.
	This was a borrowed day.
	Trust me.
	If you guys, co-parenting is not a fucking easy thing to do.
	He's already going to give me shit for this.
	But.
	What the hell is co-parenting?
	Co-parenting is when the mother and father are not married to each other.
	They're not co-parents.
	And they share the duties.
	Wait, is this kid going back to your place?
	Correct.
	Tonight.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, sorry to fuck up the baby.
	I just have worries.
	You got to take care of your baby.
	You have to take care of your baby.
	What are you going to do?
	Yeah, I just didn't think it was going to be like a four-hour situation type of thing, you know.
	Okay, well, is your friend just in the bathroom or something or what?
	So I'm not sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	If there's anything else that you need me to stay for, I'll save you.
	Body count.
	Bam.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	If you had to ask.
	Decline.
	Well, wait, wait.
	If you had to estimate.
	I know this is your guys' favorite question, huh?
	I heard about the body count.
	If I had to guesstimate, I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	Yeah, more than 20?
	Probably.
	More than 40?
	40 is kind of reaching.
	Yeah, okay.
	You've been in a lot of long relationships.
	30-something?
	Sure.
	Like the men that you've slept with.
	This is the body count?
	Yeah.
	I don't think it's even that many.
	I don't even think it's that many.
	Like, 300 people, like, I know exactly all that.
	How much were all the tats?
	Oh, I don't know.
	Just estimate.
	Just guess.
	I don't know.
	You know, I've been getting tattoos since I was 13.
	You think I kept track of how much money I spent?
	It's a lot of money.
	Well, I mean, but you can estimate.
	Is it like 50, is it more than 40,000?
	Maybe not.
	I got a lot of discounted tattoos, so that's I don't know.
	How did you go about getting these discounts?
	Because I'm friends with tattoo artists.
	Are you friends with the tattoos?
	No, not those type of friends.
	Okay, why don't you just tell us how much longer you guys can stay?
	Really, not that much longer at all.
	Because I didn't realize it was already 9 o'clock and it's going to take us two and a half hours.
	Podcasts go pretty long.
	I thought they were only a couple hours thing.
	I didn't know it was a four-hour podcast and we drove pretty long.
	Yeah, well, I mean, we already tried to accommodate you guys.
	I mean, you guys were running a little bit late, but we tried to accommodate you there.
	But, I mean, obviously, we can't hold you here.
	If you guys got to go, you got to go.
	Just we would have obviously appreciated as we're going to be.
	I'm doing my best, dude.
	I'm doing my best for most people.
	I promise you.
	Is there any arrangements that you can make so you can stay for the past?
	I've already made the arrangements.
	Maybe I should have asked ahead of time how long the podcast was going to be.
	I thought it was literally only going to be two hours, so I was planning on like that.
	Like a round, I mean, we typically say how long we go to, and we ask, well, I mean, I know you're like a plus one to your friend, so that perhaps should have been on her, but yeah.
	But hey, at least we made it, right?
	Yeah.
	Tell you what, you'll have to, I guess, make it up to 10 years.
	I guess.
	Yeah, I'd love to have you back.
	All you guys want to know is my body count.
	You fucking assholes.
	You don't care about it.
	We already got it.
	We already got it.
	So you don't need me to come back.
	It's old news.
	You don't need me to come back then.
	You got what you wanted out of me.
	Great.
	Should I take the red pill or the blue pill, though?
	That's what I was just going to say.
	Take the take.
	Take them both though.
	Don't just.
	Okay.
	Take them both.
	Take them both.
	Just don't.
	What happened, Mona?
	Body count.
	What's your body count?
	I saw it before it was cool to count.
	I don't know.
	What?
	Whoa, she's a wild priest.
	Range, I guess.
	I don't have a range.
	I've been in a lot of long-term relationships, so I don't got no range.
	Well, estimate, I guess.
	I don't know if you want to less than 10, more than 10.
	There's no estimate.
	I'm not answering the question.
	Let me see if I can, if I had any notes for you guys before leaving.
	What happened?
	We have to go?
	Yeah, I do have to go.
	Yeah, for real, for real.
	I don't know why you guys think this is a joke.
	But you were the whole panel safe space.
	They're going to be so upset with you guys.
	They'll be fine without me.
	You guys got this.
	Get as deep as you want.
	I guess the last thing was for Madzilla.
	I did want to ask what plastic surgery procedures have you had?
	I got my boobs done.
	BBL?
	No.
	No, BBL.
	BBL Drizzy?
	What's BBL?
	Bruce Dr. Dr. L?
	Like where they do lipo and they put it in your butt or whatever.
	I don't know.
	How do you do it out?
	You've seen underneath these leggings.
	There is nothing else.
	You have a BBL?
	I do.
	I have a 360.
	Yeah, I've got Lipo.
	What's 360?
	360 BBL is lipo through the stomach in the back.
	And then it puts it in.
	I've never had lipo or none of that.
	I just don't know.
	Have you had any procedure for the boobs?
	Brazilian though.
	Brazilian though.
	Because I do a bit of research on people before they come on the show.
	I went all the way to the bottom of your Instagram.
	I used to be a lot skinnier, but you know.
	Okay, okay.
	I used to be actually like vegetarian.
	I used to be real, real skinny, like 120 pounds.
	There was a photo.
	Trust me, I've seen photos of myself where I'm like, holy shit.
	But I mean, I don't know.
	No, the butt wasn't, it was still a good butt.
	Yeah, although it is smaller.
	It was bigger.
	It got smaller.
	I shrink my booty shrinks.
	Like, if I get if I lost like 30 pounds, like my ass would not be this big right now.
	For sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I think that was my great questions before I leave.
	Thank you, guys.
	That's all I had for you.
	That's all I had for you.
	There were no pre-show no.
	No, I don't want to be rude either to leaving the show early.
	I really don't.
	But like, I'll make it up.
	I'll make it up.
	We'll have Morgan, and then you can take one of the seats.
	So thank you guys for coming.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you guys.
	I want to continue on.
	We haven't finished the conversation, though.
	So yeah.
	Oh, you guys have to do a bow, though.
	If you leave early, you have to.
	Oh, you're out of the frame.
	You got it.
	I have to bow.
	It's so much fun.
	Bye, guys.
	Nice to meet you.
	You're supposed to make it believable.
	What is this?
	What is this?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let me read a couple chats, but then we'll get right back into the conversation that we were having.
	Yeah, Serena never answered about.
	Yeah, I'll get to her.
	I know.
	All right.
	Thank you, guys.
	All right.
	Oh, good.
	Now.
	Techno Trooper, unemployment is going up.
	The amount of jobs is going down in a lot of states.
	Most jobs don't pay a living wage.
	Home prices rose, and inflation is not keeping up with wages.
	Should women start paying for dates and change their views on dating on the current reflection of the economy?
	Welcome, Morgan, to the table.
	Do you want to just say hi?
	Hi.
	All right.
	Morgan is now joining us.
	Welcome, welcome.
	So, should women start paying for dates and change their views on dating on the current reflection on the economy?
	You know, I've never had a large expectation of a lot of money being laid out on dates, especially first dates, new dates.
	You know, going to the beach, going to have coffee, doing things like that, going to the park, spending the afternoon at the park.
	I think that those are wonderful ways to get to know somebody, and I don't see anything wrong with that.
	When I was younger, nobody had money, and we would find fun things to do.
	I don't see any problem with that.
	Okay.
	Anybody thought any I mean, I don't classify myself as a woman, right?
	But I do play like pay for dates and stuff like that, and I do plan for stuff.
	So, yeah, so the question is: should women start paying for dates and change their views on dating on the current reflection of the economy?
	No.
	Pull the mic closer to you.
	Okay, what about you?
	Should they start paying for dates?
	I mean, yeah, I'm kind of neutral about this.
	I don't care.
	Okay.
	I would say they already have been, though.
	Haven't they been for like the since like the what war was it?
	What wars?
	The wars?
	Technically, yes.
	Like, let's do your.
	Wait, which war?
	What war?
	The Great Depression.
	18.
	So are you talking about World War?
	The Great Depression.
	One.
	One.
	It was just a joke.
	It was just a joke.
	Okay, so.
	The men left for war.
	When my husband returned from war, women started paying for work.
	And they had to start.
	What does that have to do with?
	Because it's already, because I said it's already been happening.
	So women were paying for dates in the 20s and they were contributing to the family unit.
	Women have, I mean, kind of.
	They didn't have to do shit.
	What are you talking about?
	They had their husbands' military pay.
	They were not working.
	Yes, they were.
	You're talking about World War II when industrialists recruited women into the workforce in order to make bombs and guns and shit like that.
	That was not the World War I experience.
	Okay, so it's still an experience then.
	What does that have to do with like peacetime dating or even war?
	Because I said they already have been contributing.
	Because you said inflation going up and stuff like that.
	This has happened before.
	Inflation has gone up, money's lost its value.
	We've been doing that.
	Like, it depends on like.
	Men don't even pay for dates today.
	Yes, they definitely generally.
	So, I'm not talking about who you are.
	First dates.
	You'll pay first dates.
	Yeah, equal.
	I'll go half.
	I'll go half.
	You won't pay for the date, though.
	Why would I pay fully for the date?
	So, you mean what men do?
	Have you ever been on the first date and the guy paid for the whole thing?
	When he goes, like, I'm doing this, like, he's like, I'm doing it.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	Maybe a few.
	Maybe that's not really.
	Probably like a few, like two or three.
	Five, ten, twenty.
	Like first dates, like an actual date where you go somewhere.
	Sure.
	A few.
	I can't even really myself, honestly.
	Okay.
	But I'm saying, like, if someone's like, I'll pay for this, like, you, like, let them have the gesture because that's just the nice end of the day.
	More likely to make that gesture, men or women.
	More likely it's going to be men.
	It has been men.
	Yeah, so I'm not saying that it's the case in all scenarios, but typically men are going to pay for the date.
	They have been, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think, yeah, that's definitely what's prevalent, but I feel like now, and like the guy wants to talk about the economy and stuff.
	I think it's okay for if a woman asks a guy out on a date and like she can pay.
	If they want to split it to, they can split it.
	I don't think it really has to be about like the man needs to pay.
	Like I don't think it that is really that I think we're kind of moving away from many people being like that's their standard idea of it first date.
	I mean I would.
	I don't know if they've done studies on this, but let's, let's assume even 50% of women still want men to pay.
	Yeah, probably.
	At least is that a large enough?
	I mean let's, let's.
	I would suspect most conservative women would want men to pay for first dates.
	Probably it's a cultural thing, because I've gone probably on at least 30 to 50 generational.
	Me and my ex were both both always want half, and then I actually supported my fiancé for a long time while he went on a walkabout.
	So I think that it just depends what culture you're dealing with and what country this is.
	Um, this is the study which was requested on this.
	Is it America that we're talking about?
	Yeah yeah, it is.
	You could source it over.
	The NEW YORK Times has a link to it.
	I'll give you the highlight.
	Researchers found that young men this is Gen Z paid for all or most of the dates, around 90 to 95 percent of the time, while women paid only about two percent.
	They split maybe around seven percent of the time.
	I will say my boyfriend definitely does pay for a lot of our food dates.
	Like it's mostly him right now.
	How long have you guys been dating?
	You said I mean officially, like a year, but one year, yeah.
	So how many times have you got guys gone out for food?
	We don't really go out for like official date dates though, but like if we go out, but like if we do go out for like a like a date, like when we would like, he normally would pay, like he.
	But he normally comes up to me and says, like that's something he wants to do, like for me, kind of thing.
	So I think it's just okay, it happens.
	It doesn't always happen, all right, my boyfriend's the same way, your boyfriend's the same way.
	Yeah he, he pays for dates.
	I like offer too.
	Yeah, like i'll offer and everything, or we'll split it other times, but okay uh, we have Pelagic here, just leave.
	Okay, that was probably back when the girls came.
	Thank you, Pelagic.
	Appreciate it man, thank you.
	Thank you, and we do have lol Paladins here.
	Morgan, can you read this one?
	Yeah, I like to explore the girls like nerds cope, go around the panel and ask what the profession of their last or current boyfriend is bonus points.
	If he was a drug dealer, we'll start with Morgan.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Uh, he works at like a tire shop.
	Okay Um, the person that I had like a more serious relationship was in a pretty big band.
	Banned?
	Okay.
	I had no fucking clue what my last boyfriend did.
	He did not tell me.
	A drug dealer?
	No.
	Probably.
	He worked for the government.
	And he just wouldn't tell me what he did.
	How long did you date?
	For like a year almost.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	He just said, I take care of the bills.
	Don't worry about it.
	I said, whatever.
	Cool.
	Probably had some like lame duck government job that wanted a sound mysterious.
	Definitely.
	Probably wasn't even interesting.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My boyfriend is an artist that focuses on realistic or realism oil painting.
	Okay.
	Creative.
	Okay.
	He was a rapper.
	An actor.
	Okay.
	This is getting interesting.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My boyfriend works with produce, but then he makes like sound production for musical artists and like he makes his own like beats and raps.
	My boyfriend helps manage restaurants in the area.
	My husband flips houses and we bought a couple of RV parks together and he's currently working in disaster cleanup work where he's on Maui.
	We're living on Maui right now and he's working on the Lahaina wildfire cleanup.
	Okay.
	Where's all the nerds?
	Where's all these nerds?
	What's very interesting about this, and I think actually a lot of the pushback was from this area of the table here.
	You're dating an artist, dating a, or well, you, I guess the ex for you was a rapper, you said?
	Yeah.
	Rapper and then actor.
	Kind of proves my point a little bit.
	I'd like to say that being a rapper has a lot to do with being like an autistic, poetic, like very good.
	Did you say artistic?
	Autistic, like.
	Autistic.
	Yes.
	Very like hyper-focused autistic.
	I don't know.
	Have you listened to Mumble Rap?
	Have you listened to Lil Wayne?
	Yeah.
	He's not autistic.
	It's not Mumble Rap.
	Wait, is your boyfriend make the same kind of rap as Lil Wayne?
	This is what I'm saying: is that to be some type of creative artist, you have to be in some type of like hyper-focus in that subject.
	Like neurodivergent.
	That's not autism.
	That's not being autistic.
	I said autistic like.
	I don't know what you're doing on what you're doing.
	What do you mean?
	That's not autism.
	Like, there's not a single one of you who named what I would consider a dorky or nerdy profession.
	Where's my software engineers?
	Where's my computer analyst?
	Okay.
	Where's my data?
	Where are we going to meet those people?
	Where's my proximity?
	Where's all the nerds?
	My brother's an accountant and he has a girl.
	Where am I going to meet those people at Proxima?
	Wait, what do you do for work?
	I do jiu-jitsu coach and I'm a restaurant manager.
	Wouldn't you be just as likely to meet a nerdy guy as to meet a rapper?
	Where?
	At a restaurant or doing jiu-jitsu.
	A lot of jiu-jitsu guys are super nerdy.
	You can't date them.
	Can't date the jiu-jitsu.
	The people that go there.
	But at a restaurant, like the people I interact with are not, they're not like that.
	I don't interrupt.
	Okay, well, how did you meet your rapper boyfriend?
	social media like that's kind of like he dm'd you or you dm'd him He DM'd me.
	And I feel like it's like kind of like how it is nowadays.
	It's kind of like a lot of relationships kind of seem to happen online.
	Like they seem to form over online.
	Like they can happen in person, but I feel like a lot of the times it's online.
	Do you remember any of his songs?
	Your ex-boyfriend?
	Yeah.
	Can you rap one?
	I'm not going to rap it and definitely not.
	How about just speak the lyrics?
	Let's see, like the degree of creativity.
	Dude, that's that's not huh.
	No, because I mean, look, there's there's different degrees of lyricism within the rap genre, for example.
	So you have these like mumble rappers where it's totally into the corner.
	I wouldn't say it's mumble rappers.
	They're not even rhyming, really.
	It's just like vague noises that they're making.
	That's more like that's more like ski mask.
	Or like, I wouldn't say, like, I definitely would not classify him as like mumble rap.
	Is he a sound cloud?
	I mean, everyone starts out as that, don't they?
	Does he have face?
	Did he have face tattoos?
	No.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't say, like, I would say, like, I understand what you mean by that, like mumble rap, but he was definitely more invested than that.
	Like, he was more creative than that.
	I would like to bring up where, were we saying that, like, musicians can't be nerdy?
	Or like, we're saying they don't qualify as nerdy?
	Because, like, my boyfriend, like, he does, like, rap, he does, like, music production.
	Like, he is so focused on like making his little noises on his computer.
	Like, he loves that.
	Like, he gets into that like a video gamer gets into his games.
	Like, he's so obsessed.
	Like, I think he's a cute little music nerd boy making his music all day.
	Okay.
	I also think that like a lot of like musicians play like Yu-Gi-Oh! all that lame shit, right?
	So true.
	So, like, I mean, you can't really just say, where's the nerds at?
	They're and they're hating.
	Yeah, but I mean, so do jocks.
	I mean, jocks are playing Legend of Zelda.
	What do you mean?
	Like, that's not a quality anymore of what a nerd is or isn't.
	We're talking about a profession which would be associated with dorks, right?
	That would be something in regards to tech, technology, you know, something revolving around computers, something revolving around board game design.
	So, you know, shit like that.
	I'm going to go to the bathroom.
	It's a card game.
	They're going out and playing cards.
	Like, we're doing it in a strategy, like a strategy type of way or whatever.
	I don't know.
	My kid's dad works in IT, and I have two daughters.
	They're 18 and almost 17.
	And then he also does LARPing, so you cannot get more nerdy than that.
	The LARPing is a lot of fun.
	And it's like, we're even talking about physicists and engineers and mathematicians.
	Before I met my boyfriend and I was dating online, I didn't really meet anybody who was majoring in physics or mathematics.
	I like met one guy, but it just didn't work out because we didn't have the same interests and we just didn't click.
	We didn't click.
	Isn't the definition of a nerd also really invested in a specific thing?
	Right?
	Like, it's not necessarily like, oh, I love math, you know?
	Like, it's at the expense.
	It's at the expense of, so it's like, okay, you can be, I guess, a football star who becomes a software engineer.
	But that wouldn't make you a nerd because there's no kind of deviation.
	Meaning, the nerd is socially awkward, right?
	Maybe they don't have great social skills, this kind of thing.
	They are heavily invested generally in kind of these alternative things, maybe whatever's cutting edge or something they can use their brain to go after, but it's at the expense of something else.
	And what's interesting about your answers is you're not kind of giving us the insight into the profession where we'd be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense that a nerd would be doing that.
	A socially awkward, kind of, you know, maybe lanky.
	That's what a nerd is.
	All right, final word on that.
	Do you have a movie?
	I was just going to say my daughters have often schooled me on the differences between geeks, dorks, and nerds.
	And so, I mean, I think some of what Andrew's talking about is what I would call a dork.
	Okay.
	Then what's a nerd?
	The nerds are the academics, but the dorks are the socially girls.
	And aren't they usually socially awkward?
	No, that's the dorks.
	And then the geeks are the gamers.
	Yeah, sure.
	But I mean, aren't the academics, the nerds, socially awkward?
	Not necessarily, no.
	But everything, well, okay, well, who's the Omega Chad nerd that you can think of?
	Well, I mean, I knew them in college.
	I knew a lot of guys like that that were nerds that were also still Chads.
	Yeah, hiding in planes, like I said.
	I got to move this on.
	So we never even finished going around the table on the Better Looking in 10 years thing.
	You made a comment about hair and it being.
	It seemed to me that your leaning was that men who are attracted to women with little or no body hair, that's some sort of pathology.
	Or men who prefer women who, for example, shave down there, that is maybe weird.
	Is that a problem?
	I did bring that up.
	I'm saying that societally, like that's that's been what it that's obviously what it is.
	Like right, so what's the implication on the individual level in terms of your judgment of men who have this preference?
	I wouldn't say I would give like a strict like straight up like that's my judgment.
	I'm just saying society in society.
	That's infantilizing.
	You said it was infantilizing.
	Like they want infants.
	Is that infantilizing?
	They want infants.
	Is that kind of what you're getting at?
	Younger.
	That they're attracted to children, that they're PDF.
	That's the definition of it.
	Yeah, but is that essentially what your suggestion is?
	That men who are attracted to women with little or no body hair or who shave their hair, they are, it's really just these are terrible men who are PDF.
	No, I'm not saying that.
	I'm not saying that straight up.
	I'm saying that it could be subconscious because it is through society.
	Like it's a system.
	Subconsciously what?
	That they're attracted to it.
	It could be a subconscious thing.
	Like just because you don't like hair doesn't mean it doesn't necessarily correlate.
	So subconsciously, this is what he's trying to get at.
	I'm trying to figure this out too.
	Are you saying that the correlate of hairless, they're associating with child?
	You mean like... I would say kind of, yeah, that you're...
	No, Let's let her say.
	I don't understand the question, Bill.
	You mean like that you're associating like women with like who are shaved, give like a child like I'm saying society.
	Yeah.
	But like.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So do you think that men are attracted to women who are hairless because they're infantilizing and giving them a childlike persona?
	I'm saying it's pushed on by society to like younger women.
	I'm saying that it's a it's something that's been instilled kind of by society.
	Because younger women can have children, right?
	I mean, that could be part of some of that.
	Yeah, but I think that she's attracted, but like, let me ask you a question, Anne.
	Do you believe that evolution is a fact?
	Is a factor in it?
	Is evolution a fact?
	Yeah, for sure.
	Then what is the primary edict?
	Of like valuing youth.
	No, what is the primary edict of evolution?
	It's to replicate, right?
	Evolve.
	Yeah, but I think it's more.
	Hang on, no, no, no.
	It's to replicate.
	You can't evolve if you don't reproduce, can't you?
	Okay, there's two things can be true at once.
	Yeah, that's true, but with absent reproduction, there is no evolution.
	So the primary edict of evolution is reproduction, right?
	Okay.
	Yeah, so if that is true, which women, which tier of women are going to be able to reproduce the best?
	Women in their 20s, women in their 30s, or women in their 40s?
	Obviously, it's going to be women in their 20s.
	Right.
	So then, evolutionarily, why wouldn't males be more attracted to the women who are going to reproduce the most?
	But I'm saying, I don't think it's evolutionarily.
	You still won't answer the.
	I don't mind if you qualify and then tell me where I'm wrong or right or this or that, but I would appreciate if you would actually answer the question I ask, and I'll do you the same service.
	So my question is: if women in their 20s produce the most children, wouldn't it follow logically that men would be attracted to women in their 20s as they're the ones who reproduce the most?
	Yes, it would.
	Okay.
	But so then I don't understand how this is associated with infantilization or PDF or anything.
	I don't know what that is.
	I think what she's saying is like we've moved on from just viewing people as like reproduction objects.
	And so there's like more that goes.
	What do you mean we've moved on from it?
	Like, what are we even talking about?
	Like, she's bringing.
	I'm sorry.
	How do you figure that we've moved on from reproduction?
	No, that's not what I said or meant, even if that's how it came across.
	I'm talking about when we're talking about like evolution and the primary goal is to like keep creating and blah, blah, blah.
	So like you're talking about that, yes, like that would make men like more attracted to younger women who are more fertile.
	I get that.
	But she's trying to bring a different like context to that.
	Like she's not just saying like this is like an evolutionary factor.
	Like she's trying to bring a different control.
	And I'll even steel man it to make sure that you guys know that I understand what she's saying.
	She's saying that socially and societally, it is pushed upon men to be attracted to younger women.
	I understand the argument.
	What I'm saying though is that it's actually the inverse.
	That the, from your worldview, would be the evolutionary need to reproduce, which informs society, not society, which is informing you to be attracted to these younger women.
	That would be my counter.
	And so what I'm looking for is an argument to that.
	How would that be wrong?
	That makes sense.
	So that's kind of like, then why would it be pushed upon in the last like 30 years to be told?
	You think that it's only pushed upon in the last 30 years that older men like to fuck young hot women, really?
	It is valuing youth, right?
	Because why?
	Why are they valuing youth?
	You're saying it's because of evolution.
	Reproduction.
	What else would it be?
	If men want to have sex with younger women, why are they wanting to have sex with them?
	What would be the mechanism from which it informs them to have sex with younger women?
	What would that be?
	I don't think it's to reproduce.
	You're trying to like feed me an answer that I'm not like, that's not my answer.
	So I'm not the thing, it's not some weird subconscious, like reproduce type shit.
	I don't think it's subconscious.
	I think that it's conscious.
	I think that men will tell you, I want to fuck young, hot women.
	And I think the reason that they want to fuck young hot women is because young, hot women have lots of babies.
	And so that's why they're attracted to them.
	But otherwise, why would they be attracted to them?
	Studies say that they end up dating the women around their age, though.
	Oh my god, we showed you the studies.
	Because of the pool in which is available to them.
	Let me ask you.
	However, when the pool expands and they can choose younger women, they do.
	They do.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you think women are attracted to men who have lots of money?
	Wouldn't it depend?
	It would be.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	Why is it then, you know, if women actually wanted to date billionaires, well, why is it that they end up dating people kind of generally speaking in their socioeconomic range?
	It's proximity.
	Like, you're around those people.
	Right.
	Okay, but if they could date a billionaire, would they?
	I mean, wouldn't everyone?
	Well, but personality would also be like a factor and everything.
	It would be a factor of facts.
	Wouldn't you go into it though?
	I'd rather go for someone who had more money than like.
	Right, but you're saying, okay, well, why aren't these men?
	Because what if, like, despite men's desires, if you're a 50-year-old man, the reality is most 20-year-old women don't want to date 50-year-old men unless he's like really maintained his looks and he's bringing status or something else to the table.
	You disagree?
	Oh, yeah.
	I would date a 50-year-old man at a heartbeat.
	Okay, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	They love that for you.
	Even older.
	But the reality is, just because you want something doesn't mean you can get it.
	So if they could, though, if 50-year-old men, regardless of their shortcomings, could be dating 20-year-old daddies, they would.
	I don't agree.
	I don't know what we're doing.
	I just don't agree with that.
	I just don't agree with your statement, and you're trying to force me to agree with something that I don't agree with.
	have to agree with it i mean you can be delusional about it but the reality is you can be delusional too like just like i This is like if I were to make your same sort of position here, if I were to say, if you were to sit there and tell me, yeah, Brian, you know, women are attracted to billionaires.
	And I said, well, that's just, that's really not true.
	I just don't agree.
	That doesn't make it less true.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	It's still true, right?
	So you girls that don't think that that's like a thing or whatever, by the time you're my age, you will believe what he just said about if the men could pick, if they could get the woman that's 20, they would.
	Absolutely.
	I'd like to see like the cold heart facts on that.
	Just live long enough and you will.
	That wasn't the facts.
	That was the dating.
	Not trying to be disagreeable.
	I've seen a picture of Tim from Spider-Man.
	No, no, no, no.
	Did you not see the data that showed men attractive, who they saw attractive, not dating?
	No, but they.
	I mean, besides physical appearance, could you articulate?
	Is that how you feel about your husband?
	Like, he would just leave you for someone that's younger.
	No, he wouldn't leave.
	More for someone that's younger.
	No, but most men would, if they had the preference between an older woman and a younger woman, like from scratch, they would pick the younger woman to be more attractive.
	Isn't that like a bad thing?
	Let me finish what I was saying.
	Let me finish what I was saying.
	They would pick the younger woman as being more attractive.
	It doesn't mean that that's who they want for a life partner.
	For like five days.
	Well, it doesn't mean that that's who they want for a life partner.
	And it's terrible really like adults to be attractive.
	Hold on.
	I'll just give you an anecdotal experience from myself.
	I'm 35.
	Do you think that women my age are offering like orders of magnitude more in terms of their behavior and demeanor and personality than a 25-year-old?
	What is the difference to you?
	What?
	What is it?
	Why don't you answer my question before asking me a question?
	I'm saying yes.
	35, to me personally, 35-year-old women across the border offering more to me in terms of their personality and their behavior and how they conduct themselves than a 25-year-old.
	Maybe I wouldn't say yes to me.
	Tell me how.
	Okay, this is how.
	Ready?
	I'm ready.
	So, 35 years old, you have gone through and experienced different things that make you understand who you are and what you value.
	And also, you know what you want.
	When you're 25, you don't even necessarily know who you are.
	And you're not only that.
	It's fully developed at 25.
	Just barely.
	Like, it doesn't fully develop.
	It's fully developed.
	Okay, ready?
	So, yeah, I'm ready.
	25, right?
	Yep.
	You haven't been through as much experience as that 35, right?
	We don't.
	Okay, hold on.
	Okay, can you follow that, though?
	Follow what?
	Can you follow what I'm saying?
	Yes, I absolutely follow what you're saying, but I'm sitting here as a man telling you I don't.
	And most people are.
	But what's the difference to you?
	Can you answer that question?
	Most men don't give a fuck about your experiences, most of which involve trauma and baggage.
	You've got more dick, you've been through more dick, you fucked more guys, you have more bodies.
	Can you let me?
	Whoa, can you let me get there for a sec?
	Can you let me respond?
	I just articulate the actual experience that would make me more attracted to a girl.
	Can I respond?
	What's the experience?
	Okay, here's the thing, ready?
	So the fact that you're saying that right now is so fucking cringe and weird.
	How about that?
	The fact that you're saying when you're 25, you're more attracted to that person because of why.
	Can you give me a reason why?
	Because you want to have sex with them.
	So that's it.
	Yeah.
	No, there's more that you're asking.
	No, no.
	Listen.
	Yes.
	The thing is, is what Brian is saying is that men value the experiences of women less than they value their physical characteristics.
	Now, that can grow.
	That can grow over time where you value them for other things other than just their physical beauty.
	But it seems apparent to me, and it's apparent according to this study that I have pulled up in front of me, which says that men, so when they're investigating the age spam, women reported a narrow age range than men, and women tended to prefer slightly older men.
	Makes sense.
	We also show that men's age range widens as they get older, meaning they still have a preference towards younger women.
	Doesn't mean they can get them, but they still have a preference.
	Why?
	Now, this may come as news to you.
	Perhaps your prefrontal cortex is not completely developed yet, but the gal next to you is going to tell you the same thing that I am.
	It's the same thing that she knows.
	Men like to fuck young, hot women.
	Am I wrong?
	No, you're right.
	So what is the reason for that?
	What is the reason then?
	Hold on.
	What do you think?
	Because of the reasoning from your worldview would be due to reproduction.
	Well, I have a lot of guy friends.
	And thank you, Andrew.
	A lot of guy friends.
	Final wave feminism donated $200.
	They don't want all that.
	I'm 39.
	They don't want all the older women that have nature.
	Men want a family, not a partner.
	Sex equals children.
	Even the stripper admitted dating is hard at 30 plus as a woman.
	Did she?
	She did, but she was a little bit more.
	So hold on.
	Let's get into this.
	So, okay.
	First off, it's not clear.
	Like, do you think that all women at 25, their personality is just like dog shit?
	They're terrible human beings.
	And then at 35, they're magically the best partners ever and they're treat you the best.
	No, you're going to two extremes right now.
	I'm not going to be able to do that.
	I'm actually experienced is as women get older, they tend to get actually more malevolent as they get older.
	And you're not.
	And are you not?
	Like, because you look pretty malevolent right now.
	Sure.
	If a woman doesn't want to date me because I'm more jaded and I've had more experiences.
	Wait, I don't think he looked malevolent.
	He's like, really?
	All right, let's roll it down.
	Yeah, really?
	Roll the clips back.
	Yeah, well, let's roll it back.
	You tell me why.
	How does Brian look malevolent?
	He's having a straight-up conversation with you where he's experiencing worldview paradigm differential.
	How would that be malevolent?
	He's literally, like, who would want to date him then?
	Like, let's be real.
	He's being like so bitter about this.
	Bitter about what?
	Like, why would a girl that age want to date you then?
	What?
	Because she wants his resources.
	I'm about to leave because this is really dumb.
	What's that?
	You're about to leave.
	Why?
	No, your conversation you're having, first of all, the way that you spoke, you're speaking about women.
	No, I didn't say that.
	I didn't say that conversation.
	Okay, go ahead.
	This is dumb.
	Make your point.
	Yeah, this is dumb.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Make your point.
	I mean, the way you're talking about women in their 30s is absolutely disgusting.
	What did I say?
	No, it's hard to say.
	They have baggage.
	They have high.
	I'm sorry.
	They have baggage.
	They have high bodies.
	Like, you're making these blank and general statements about women.
	That's absolutely disgusting.
	That's a totally fair criticism.
	That's disgusting.
	Totally fair criticism.
	So let me just ask you.
	I wish you loved what I'm feeling.
	I'm about to leave because I don't want to be around you.
	Hang on.
	Before you leave, can I just add, I just want to ask you one question.
	And we'll just see if this logically, I'm just going to test your logic really quick.
	Do you think that women in their 20s generally have less baggage than women in their 30s?
	Yes or no?
	Generally.
	I think women in their 20s have less baggage in their 30s.
	I think it depends on the woman because I feel in my opinion.
	Generally.
	Generally.
	Generally, I don't.
	It's possible, yes.
	But what I say, I want to say that.
	Yeah, what do you think, do you think that generally women who are in their 30s have more baggage than women in their 30s?
	You say baggage.
	Wait, wait, before you say your thing, hold on.
	Before you say your thing, let me actually just not make this a gendered thing.
	Men, men, doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman.
	As you get older, you go through more experiences.
	And some of those are positive experiences.
	Some of those are negative experiences.
	So both men and women accrue trauma and baggage as they age.
	In recent years, I've dealt with very difficult things that I didn't deal with a while back.
	It's just the reality of being older.
	So I'm straight.
	I date women.
	So I mean, I can, I'm gendering it because, yes, I'd rather date somebody who's perhaps in their, you know, a younger woman who's maybe 25, for example.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I find women who are in their 30s attractive.
	In fact, I've dated women in their 40s.
	I've dated women older than me.
	So it's not like I'm exclusively going after like college girls.
	I'm not.
	But what I am saying is, is that if they want to date me and I want to date them, I don't see any problem with dating a 25-year-old.
	Okay, yeah, I don't see a problem with dating 25.
	I'm not a 38-year-old.
	But you're saying I'm using these generalizations.
	I mean, we are talking about generalizations here.
	Obviously, there's women in their 30s who are virgins.
	But, I mean, the reality is a woman who's...
	Not many.
	Not many.
	So you're upset about me.
	It's disgusting that I'm talking about body count.
	Like, realistically speaking, a woman at 35 is going to have more bodies than however many bodies she had at 25.
	You're valuing, you're valuing because of her body count, her baggage.
	So, what's wrong with that?
	I'm not allowed to hold on.
	I'm not sure.
	You'd be able to date no one.
	Who are you dating then?
	How is that relevant?
	How is that relevant?
	What if I told you I was dating a 19-year-old?
	That would be kind of weird.
	Why would that be?
	With the same logic, who would want to date you then?
	Let's put that same logic on.
	Nobody has to date me.
	I know, but I'm nobody has to date.
	You put that logic on yourself, though.
	Like, who would want to date you then?
	People who are women who are interested in.
	People that are younger or better.
	I'm talking about me.
	I'm not smaller for you.
	Okay, but I'm talking about me.
	These are people who I'm choosing to date or not to date.
	So if a woman doesn't want to, and first off, actually, yes, plenty of women don't want to date me because of this podcast.
	That's totally fine.
	I don't object to it at all.
	If you don't like my viewpoints on political things or my viewpoints on gender dynamics, you don't want to date me?
	Don't care.
	That's fine.
	Well, I was saying before that.
	Go ahead.
	So in terms, I think you can allow to have your personal preference.
	I'm sorry I came off the wrong way when I stated that.
	Yeah, you said you felt disgusted.
	No, but I was disgusted about this kind of thing.
	About the body count thing.
	No, about that's what you said, though.
	That's part of one of the aspects in general of what I was saying.
	I was disgusted in the way in which you were.
	So number one, you changed after, I understand.
	You were focusing your conversation directed exactly at women and women only.
	And it sounded like, but yes, you changed after.
	So you did change it.
	That's what I'm saying now.
	You were generalizing it towards all women only and not like men or on the other hand.
	Well, I do want to qualify that I don't share Brian's opinion on this.
	I do think that men, as they get older, do have less baggage than women generally.
	Oh, okay.
	And I don't think that it's even, Stephen.
	And I do think that generally speaking, if we're generalizing again, men tend to have less baggage in their 30s and 40s, far less, in fact, because they become much more resource-rich.
	And as you know, money can solve a lot of problems.
	This is a meme.
	And so I do think that they end up with less baggage than women.
	I do.
	I personally think for me and the I'm going to say this word again that you guys don't like, but in the sphere of consciousness that I focus on, the people that I'm surrounded by have, it's like almost like a different reality.
	I mean, it's honestly insane.
	You mean like they don't care if a woman's had gang bangs and slept with like 30?
	No, no, I'm not talking about that.
	I'm not talking about that.
	I'm talking about when it comes to perceived baggage, I'm saying the ability as you grow as a human in age, physical age, that you grow within your being.
	Well, so let me ask you a question, right?
	So you mentioned body count, or you mentioned you thought my view was disgusting for a couple reasons.
	One, that I judge women, I would perhaps not date a woman because of her body count and because of her baggage.
	If I didn't want to date a woman because she stubbed her toe once and she yelped out, what would actually be wrong with that?
	Like, make an actual argument.
	Make an actual argument why, perhaps you find that absurd, but make an actual argument for why it would be wrong and disgusting for me to not want to date a woman who once stubbed her toe.
	I mean, if that's trauma and baggage.
	Yeah, everybody's got their personal preferences.
	But so, okay, so what it, so is it still?
	Why is it, why is it dis then, I mean, that was an extreme example.
	Why is it disgusting for me to disregard a woman in terms of my dating prospects because she has baggage?
	No, I understand what you're saying.
	No, what I said in terms of disgusting is that you were focusing on specifically women and not as a general statement for women and men.
	You're straight.
	I only date women.
	But then you changed it.
	I said, okay, this was the only reason that you changed my mind.
	Because he was acting like it was just a matter of time.
	I don't actually understand.
	I thought I was trapped.
	But now I actually changed it.
	Now I actually don't understand.
	Maybe you can help me out.
	He was only two.
	My P3N1S finds itself confused by this paradox.
	Younger women should have less baggage.
	But these chicks are so toxic.
	I suddenly find myself extremely attracted to slightly younger texans.
	Good.
	Hey, don't forget dolphin.
	Oh, she's gone.
	She's not.
	Dolphin sometimes.
	She's coming back.
	She's coming back.
	Maybe you're wrong.
	I got her right here, Corinne.
	I was tracking everything you were saying.
	No, I was saying.
	It was making sense.
	Let me just ask you.
	Whatever bro donated $200.
	Obviously, women don't only look for money, but money is important.
	Ladies may not like it, but you exist in it.
	You can push forward to change, but also have to exist and live with what's now.
	All right.
	Thank you, whatever, bro.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	I don't actually understand what the problem is if you're having a conversation, you're focusing on just generalizations for women only and you're not bringing up men.
	I actually don't even know why that's a problem.
	Because it works both ways for men and women.
	That statement's not.
	Yeah, right.
	But if the topic, like if we're having a conversation about dogs and I say, okay, we're going back and forth about all the problems that dogs have and this and that, would you then say, but this also applies to cats, and it offends me that we're not bringing up cats as well as dogs.
	That doesn't make any actual sense.
	But the thing was that we weren't talking about specifically women.
	We talked about dating in general.
	But that's what your objection was: was that he was only talking about women.
	But he does that.
	He's talking about dating and women.
	But we were talking about dating in general.
	We weren't talking about specifically women.
	He was specifically talking about women, but the overall arching topic we were talking about was dating in general.
	It was not focused specifically on women until Brian made it that way.
	Well, but that's my whole point, right?
	I get that he made it that way.
	I just don't know why that's a problem.
	Because I want to focus on both ends because you guys always focus on women all the time and not on the other opposite side of the scale.
	I think that really, though that's the issue.
	It's only fair to say I would also like to talk about men.
	That's fine.
	But I don't know why you would be offended if the conversation goes to generalizations about women, even after talking about the menu.
	No, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Also, because I just say this, though, I don't think that it's all just about, like, I think it's the way he speaks about women in many contexts on the show.
	It's the tone that we've seen it before.
	So I feel like you don't like the tone.
	No, it's not the tone.
	Let's get rid of it.
	But, I mean, not.
	The tone is sometimes part of it.
	I just feel like it's just the way the things that he brings back, the way he counters.
	It's not a friendly debate.
	It's not a fun debate.
	Like, it's very targeted.
	It can get like low-key kind of nasty.
	Like, I'm not saying anything bad, but I'm just like, this is just kind of facts of the show.
	Like, so there, people don't.
	I could just retract.
	People can feel uncomfortable by that.
	Well, I mean, I could just turn.
	I don't know if you guys were talking about Andrew or me.
	I could just reverse this at you.
	You said cringe.
	You said disgusting.
	You also said that men who like who are attracted to women who you pathologize men who are attracted to women with little or no body hair.
	Calling them PDF files essentially.
	You're twisting my words again for like the third time.
	And it still checks out.
	I said society.
	She says it checks out.
	But if you're like projecting this onto yourself, then that's all I'm saying.
	Well, I actually had notes on this.
	You think men prefer women who are like shaved down there, they're PDF files?
	No, I don't think that all of them are, but I think a lot, there is a lot going on with that correlation of like you know what?
	That's totally fair.
	I just want to hear you say that homosexual men who prefer their partners to be shaved are correlated with PDF files.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead and say it.
	I'm talking about, but go ahead and say, because remember, we're talking about everybody, right?
	So homosexual menu that their male partners are shaved.
	Okay.
	You're going to correlate them with PDF files, just like you just did with straight men, right?
	If I'm using that in the context of saying that one of the partners is much younger and the other is much older.
	No, hold on.
	That's not even the conversation.
	Hold on, stop, Hold on.
	A 35-year-old man dating a 35-year-old woman could prefer his 35-year-old girlfriend to be shaved.
	So it has nothing to do with age.
	You're shifting the goalposts.
	You're not saying that it is always in that or that it's always at the same time.
	No, but it has nothing to do with age.
	It's a constant of it.
	No, a 35-year-old man could want his 35-year-old girlfriend shaved.
	You're shifting the goalposts.
	It had nothing to do with age.
	It never did.
	We were talking about body hair.
	It has nothing to do with age.
	Yeah, but it's so massive in your mind just because you're both aware of that.
	Okay, so hold on.
	I have a question then.
	You didn't even like it.
	I could just.
	I mean, here's your law.
	Okay, do you want to finish your thought?
	Okay, here's the logic.
	Women who aren't attracted.
	This is your argument.
	Women who aren't attracted to men with beards are PDF files.
	If you prefer your man clean-shaven as a woman, you're a PDF file.
	I never really.
	I know that's not what you're saying.
	That's like the male version of this argument.
	You're not trying to understand what I said.
	Women who don't like men with beards.
	Women who don't like men with beards are just PDF files.
	You like men who are clean-shaven.
	Baby boys can't grow facial hair.
	You are PDF files.
	Here's the thing.
	I said it never correlated.
	So it's not causation versus correlation.
	It's completely different.
	Okay, then what is it?
	It's completely different.
	We're going to be quiet while you explain.
	What is it?
	It's society.
	It's a society.
	It's a broader thing.
	It doesn't mean you're consciously, like actively a freaking pedophile.
	I never said that.
	And she wasn't.
	I just want to make sure, though, you do not associate the attractive, men being attracted to younger women who have all of their body hair shaved with any sort of PDF file.
	You don't make that association at all.
	I said, in a broader sense, in society, that is the value, youth.
	That is the value.
	What's my question?
	I said it's not a direct correlation.
	I get it.
	I understand.
	What's my actual question to you, though?
	Can you repeat it back to me?
	Do you associate the two as the same thing?
	Do you in any way associate men who prefer women with zero body hair to be associated with men who are PDFs or not?
	You personally?
	Do I personally?
	No.
	I'm saying society.
	Okay, well, then society.
	And then going over to the gal on the white top, do you?
	No.
	I think it's very subjective.
	And it has a lot of things.
	Yeah, so there's no problem with it, right?
	No, there's still a problem.
	What's the problem?
	Okay, well, what's the problem?
	What is the problem with men preferring women to shave down there?
	Like, it's not that it's a problem.
	It's not that.
	You literally just.
	So she was talking about the social construct of it and how there's problems in our society with this kind of stuff.
	Like, she's not obsessing with youth.
	Yeah, like, she's not trying to make this every man's problem.
	I thought you were pleased allowed.
	That's not even true.
	Like, I thought we're not.
	You're not even trying to understand what I'm saying right now.
	You're actively trying to be aggressive.
	They're not trying to understand.
	Maybe I can try to understand this a little better.
	Okay.
	If a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to shave down there and prefers women who are not hairy, is that of the nature of being a PDF file?
	It's in there.
	Yes.
	That is.
	And would you say that that is also equal to homo?
	Hang on.
	PDF file.
	Would you say that that's also then true of homosexual men who like they can be PDF files too?
	I never said they could.
	Yeah, I know.
	But are you saying that that is also associated with homosexuals?
	It depends on what they prefer.
	They might not prefer like shaven prefer it if they do prefer it.
	Just like a straight menu.
	It's the same answer.
	You can associate that with PDF file activities.
	Thank you.
	Move on.
	Fun fact.
	No, I really don't want to move on.
	I really want to actual answer.
	It's like a gotcha moment.
	Like it's literally the same answer.
	Yeah, I know, but you don't really know.
	Just like you said, it's not about gender, but suddenly it is.
	Like you're making it about it.
	So what are you trying to do here?
	You're like making about homosexuals and then you're like, because I don't understand the distinction.
	If it applies to straight men, then it would also apply to homosexual men, right?
	Can you just accept my answer as broader society?
	I can accept it if you answer my question.
	I just answered it.
	Broader society.
	Broader society.
	So that's not really an answer.
	You're trying to get me in this conversation from my end.
	It's because I really do feel like I understand your position.
	And I'm going to repeat your position verbatim.
	Your position is there's a greater social push on men inside of the United States, the country you and I live in, for men to go after these beauty standards, which include women who are shaved in various places.
	Am I wrong or am I right?
	Yes.
	Look at the South.
	You can marry under the age.
	How is that?
	That is legal.
	How is that relevant?
	Okay.
	Well, it correlates.
	Again, I'm willing to grant all of this.
	But I just want to hear you say that I understand your argument and am trying to understand your argument.
	Okay, that's what I'm asking.
	What age?
	Like 14.
	What state?
	I don't know.
	That's the thing.
	They have the balls still where you can go to a ball and get a teenage bride.
	What's the thing?
	You see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've dined.
	So anyway, I'm just saying I did repeat your argument back to you pretty much verbatim.
	I do understand your argument.
	You agree that that's true, right?
	And I am trying to understand what you're saying.
	You agree that that's true?
	I don't, no.
	Let's just say that.
	No, so I can just repeat your argument back to you verbatim.
	You agree I repeated it back verbatim, but I'm still not trying to understand it?
	No, you're not accepting my answer as society.
	Society doesn't mean you're under profile.
	Like, why would I say that?
	So this is where we're deviating.
	Because your answer makes no sense to me, I don't need to accept it as being true.
	That's why I am inquiring as to the answer.
	I understand the position.
	You agree I understand the position.
	What's wrong with me questioning the position if I don't agree with it?
	Because you're mischaracterizing my whole position.
	You're literally putting words in my mouth.
	Then why did you just agree that I didn't?
	no i said i never agree that you didn't i literally said can i give you your position back again no No.
	No.
	So you're just going to concede the argument.
	Can we ask another question?
	Yeah, we can.
	I mean, I do actually, I have two things, two more things on this.
	So, the example I gave where does adult women having a preference for men who are clean-shaven, is that of the nature of them of women being PDF files?
	No, I never said it correlated.
	It doesn't correlate like that for women, but it does correlate for men.
	I never said it correlated.
	Wait, but okay, so what do you mean, correlation?
	I said in society, it's like valuing youth.
	I never said it correlates directly to you.
	Okay, so let me talk on that.
	Okay, so let me talk on the individual level then.
	A man who is attracted or prefers a woman who shaves down there, has little or no body hair, is that of the nature of him perhaps being a PDF file?
	It is valuing youth.
	It is in the nature of a pedophile because they value youth.
	Is that not the definition of a pedophile?
	What's the definition of a pedophile?
	That's raising.
	PDF?
	Yo.
	Can you use PDF file?
	Yes.
	Okay, so let's use HEPA file.
	Would they be HEPA files?
	I wouldn't go.
	It's not worth going there.
	So, yes, for men.
	But isn't that the definition of so then?
	But then it's the same for women, too, who don't like men with beards.
	I never said it correlated.
	I feel like it doesn't directly correlate in any of the things.
	When you say it doesn't correlate, but does it correlate when men prefer that in women?
	I literally, I will say the same verbatim, the same answer.
	I never said it correlated.
	I said society in a broader sense.
	Okay, ignoring society.
	But that's a correlate.
	Ignoring society, though.
	That's literally a correlate.
	It's like if I say society in a broader sense likes it when women wear pink, and you're like, there's no correlate there.
	No, it doesn't correlate.
	What do you mean?
	Of course there's a correlate.
	That is a correlate.
	No, it doesn't mean that if you value that thing, that you automatically are that thing.
	That's not what I said.
	I didn't say that because you value a thing, you are that thing or not that thing.
	I'm saying that for you to say it's not a correlate because society's pushing it, that's literally a correlate.
	How could it be anything else?
	Like saying society pushes ice cream.
	And I go, well, a lot of people eat ice cream.
	That's a correlate.
	You're making a correlate, right?
	Do we need a definition of correlate?
	Sure.
	Maybe we need the definition of correlate.
	I don't know.
	I'm just confused.
	So do you object to?
	One thing doesn't make one thing.
	How about this?
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question then.
	Let me frame it.
	I'm going to frame it.
	Correlation.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Mutual relationship or connection between two or more things.
	Okay, let me frame this a little differently.
	Do you object to men having a preference for women who are clean-shaven?
	No, not at all.
	Not at all.
	I'm saying that's like, that's like what society values youth.
	I don't care.
	Like, I'm, that's.
	Okay, I'm going to say moving on off of that.
	You also mentioned when I said something along the lines of I'm 35, something about dating 25-year-olds, you said that's cringe.
	Why is that cringe?
	Because the way you phrased it, you said...
	How did I phrase it?
	You said, I'd rather date someone who's 25 because they have less baggage.
	And I said, saying that is super cringe.
	Why is that cringe?
	Because my question was, like, why?
	Why would that be the case?
	Why would it be the case that when you're when you having lived less 10 years less, why would it be the case that you have less baggage?
	But you said you've been through a lot of trauma too, right?
	So who would want to date you the same way?
	If a woman chooses to disqualify me because of either perceived or real baggage, I don't care.
	You don't care.
	I don't care.
	Men and women don't care the same.
	Here's the difference.
	If, like, for most men, if a woman doesn't want to date them, like, we, we kind of accept it.
	Like, we accept, for example, that women prefer tall men.
	We accept that, right?
	But you can't seem to accept, like, for you, you would want to fight somebody on it.
	Like, oh, you don't want to date me because of this?
	Yeah, if a girl doesn't want to date me, she could not want to date me for any reason.
	I don't care.
	There's plenty of women out there.
	I'm not tripping.
	If specific women or groups of women don't want to date me, they might not want to date me because of my hands, bro.
	I don't care.
	I'm saying on the point that you're making.
	The exact point that you're making.
	You're saying that, like, if someone is younger, they have less baggage.
	Am I wrong?
	Quote-unquote baggage, which I hate that term.
	It's uplifted.
	Why do you hate the term baggage?
	Because it like, like someone said before, I don't know who it was, but like, just because you've been through trauma doesn't mean you're still traumatized.
	Like, you can be healed and like better from that in a way that you weren't before.
	What if you're not?
	Yeah, what if you're not?
	Then you're not.
	Okay.
	So would it be wrong for me to not want to date somebody who's dealing, who's still going through that?
	No, not at all.
	No, I think, I think, but I think we all actually agree on this.
	It's just kind of being misconstrued the way everyone's saying it.
	I think I 100% agree.
	If you don't want to date someone because you feel like they have trauma that infringes on your relationship, I 100% agree on that.
	Yeah.
	And I just think for women too.
	No, I feel the same thing.
	You don't want to date a guy who's going through someone.
	100%.
	No one does.
	That's wild.
	But we're just going to like, that's 100%.
	But why is it cringe?
	Why is it cringe?
	So, no, I don't.
	Because the way you phrase it, you said, I'd rather date someone who's 25.
	The way you said it was cringe.
	How did I die?
	Maybe you mean someone in general that doesn't have that much baggage.
	Yeah, that too.
	Like, it wasn't.
	I was giving you some reasons why.
	It could possibly be.
	Well, at least for me, it's just a generalized statement saying that generally, I understand though, it's true.
	When you're older, you go through things that can be traumatizing, but that doesn't inherently mean just because you're older, you have more baggage.
	Not in general.
	Yeah, not necessarily.
	But I think that's with me and you, that's the only thing that I'm talking about here.
	I'm not talking about anyone else's opinions here.
	I'm saying with that, but I agree with everything.
	I just wanted to clear that up with you so we were both on the same page.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I just wanted to clear that up.
	Are we going back on track now?
	Yeah, we're going to.
	What should we talk about now?
	Okay, we didn't even.
	We weren't really off track.
	We were just trying to.
	So the whole point of this, if you make a claim, we just want to test the logic.
	I just want to know why it is you think, what you think, and why you think it.
	The same way when you say to Brian, hey, this is cringe, that's you saying, okay, I think this thing.
	I'm making this claim.
	I think that this is off-putting or there's something about this which is bad.
	So he makes the inquiry.
	What about it is bad?
	Tell me what about it you find off-putting or disturbing or something like this.
	He's just trying to test the claim.
	I don't even see why anybody would be upset with this.
	Okay.
	You don't see.
	Let's read all the comments and see.
	Like, I'm not saying that.
	I'm saying on your videos that go viral, like, let's read the comments and see why people are upset in the way in which you present your point.
	You're like, oh, I'd rather date someone who's 25.
	Like, why do you think people are pissed at you?
	Wait.
	Yeah, yeah, it's the tone, man.
	So here's the thing.
	Here's another thing.
	No, it's the way he presents his point.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I love arguing.
	I will argue all day.
	Wait, hold on.
	You can get loud with me.
	I don't care.
	I love arguing.
	Why do you suck at it so bad?
	Cool.
	I don't care.
	Goodbye.
	It's emotion versus logic.
	That's an honest question.
	So I love arguing.
	I'll make the claim I love arguing.
	I don't take any of it personally.
	I literally want to know why you think what you think and how you came to those conclusions because I don't suck at arguing, right?
	I actually want to know your worldview.
	I don't know if maybe my worldview is wrong.
	Maybe I'm way off.
	Maybe I'm crazy.
	Maybe I believe things that I think.
	Maybe you are.
	You're just amazing at arguing.
	You'll never know because you'll never concede.
	I'll never be able to determine that in a million years, though, if I can't get a contrary worldview from you, which is superior to my own.
	I could never do that.
	Wait, so you said you said you want to wait and see for the comments.
	And yeah, you know, there's definitely been some viral clips where.
	No, I didn't say it like that.
	I meant like, I meant like, why do you think the way people respond, like, we, like, let's be real.
	Like, why do you think that people respond in the way they respond to you?
	It's valid.
	You can't just like shut out every criticism because then you'd be literally a psychopath if you just shut out all criticism and was like, I'm just going to exist and never take what someone says about me with a grain of salt at least.
	Wait, so actually that's fair.
	What's the criticism?
	Yeah, what's the actual argument?
	Like, it's not tone policing like this random person is saying.
	You said, like, oh, the people are like this random person saying that they have less baggage.
	That makes it sound like younger women are easier to manipulate, is what you're pretty much saying.
	Younger women are less experienced.
	I did not get that from that at all.
	Okay.
	So what is that?
	Did those words?
	That's actually interesting because you, I mean, you kind of, I think, accused me earlier of like painting, like putting words in your mouth.
	Did those words ever exit my mouth?
	You said less baggage, less trauma.
	Actually, wait, hold on.
	Let me just flip this right back at you.
	Wouldn't somebody who's going through like who's not stable be easier to manipulate?
	Somebody who has a lot of baggage is easier to manipulate.
	Somebody who's not steadfast and is not really grounded, aren't they easier to manipulate?
	I could just make the argument in reverse.
	That can literally go.
	That could go either way.
	That could go either way.
	Yes, it can.
	Somebody who is somebody who's emotionally stable is going to be stable is less likely to manipulate than somebody who's like, I don't know what the less emotionally stable.
	Vulnerable.
	Yeah, like that.
	Yeah, more vulnerable.
	They're in a rough place.
	They don't have their wits about them.
	I mean, hey, I hope it never happens.
	If you don't know anything, you're like, you're just, you're just better at everything in life.
	That's not what I said at all.
	I don't think you don't know anything.
	What I've experienced things and gone through how you learned.
	What I'm saying is actually that someone who is emotionally stable and healthy, has healthy relationships, hasn't been, you know, hurt or abused or doesn't have divorces under their belt and all these emotional scars and damage, they're more confident.
	They're less easy to pull the wool over their eyes.
	Look, she's nodding.
	And this is the difference between what I wouldn't call what Andrew was saying earlier about engineers or IT people being wise.
	That's not the same at all.
	Intelligence, you know, and wisdom and degrees are all different, right?
	But life experience, you see her nodding when I'm saying this.
	When you are healthy and stable and strong, you are much less likely to be taken advantage of because you don't have these needs.
	These weight, you don't have these needs and insecurities, and all these issues that are plaguing your mind and your thoughts filtering through everything coming into your brain.
	All right, you have more stability and groundedness in yourself, and you understand you can see it more.
	I'd argue the same thing at the opposite point.
	Okay, and that's fine.
	And we can agree to disagree on that, but here's the issue: is that you seem to be getting so angry and upset, and I don't understand why.
	So, I mean, is there something else to it?
	Because he literally said that women who are younger have less baggage.
	That is a fact.
	That is, there's nothing wrong with that statement.
	And in my mind, I was thinking, well, that's true of just people in general.
	And then immediately he said, well, that's true for men too.
	You know, and there's nothing wrong with that.
	The older you live, the more people you know that die.
	You know, in my late 20s, I had five people in my immediate family pass away.
	Do you think that that was not baggage going into my 30s that made it hard in relationships?
	I mean, that was brutal.
	At 25, I didn't have any of that.
	So that right there to me proves what he said.
	But he was listing things like body counts going up.
	People might have STDs.
	They got kids by different daddies.
	You know, all these different things.
	They might have been assaulted.
	You know, a million things bad can happen in life in a decade of living and good things too.
	Are you discounting being a human and having a human experience as worthy?
	I never said anybody wasn't worthy.
	Okay, but I'm saying I understand his point, which was it's simpler.
	It's easier.
	It's simple.
	He has a comment.
	Red Hedge: You are not intellectually nuanced by being intentionally evasive.
	You are broadcasting your inability to grasp basic concepts and arguments.
	Common sense eludes you.
	Thank you, Augmented.
	Appreciate it.
	Did you want to?
	Yeah, I would love to.
	I mean, it's not about valuations on the life experiences because guess what?
	I grew as a person.
	I grew as a woman.
	I have a lot of experiences that have translated into wisdom that I can impart to all my stepkids.
	I've got five stepchildren.
	I've got three step-grandchildren.
	I have two teenage daughters.
	And I am there to share my life experiences.
	And the wise person is going to learn from other people's mistakes and bad experiences.
	A smart person will learn from their own, right?
	But a wise person is going to learn from other people's and not have to experience it.
	And God willing, nothing bad ever happened to you.
	But the longer you live, the more people you're going to know who pass away.
	That's what this tattoo is for here, is one of my girlfriends.
	And it's just a fact of life.
	You know, it's so much harder to date when you have children and co-parenting and all of those things.
	And the older you get and your beauty is going down, you have to have a lot of resilience.
	You have to have wisdom and character and fun, amazing personality.
	But you know what?
	At the end of the day, in the beginning of the day, what are men attracted to?
	He's not saying that he wouldn't choose somebody as a wife unless they were 25 and unless they had no baggage.
	He's just saying that's what men are attracted to because it's easy.
	It's simple.
	And I have to agree based on the men I've known in my life that that's what they would go for if they had, if everything's equal, I'll take the chick that's not got all the baggage just because it's simple.
	Yep.
	And a lot of men are discounting on himself, though.
	Like, I'm not discounting myself at all.
	No, how can you say that?
	Like, but it's because a lot of my guy friends that have already been married or have a child, they prefer being with younger women because it's so much easier.
	It's so simple.
	I mean, it's not as complicated because when you have children, when you have families, when you've lived a bit and experienced hardships or challenges, it is exhausting, right?
	But when you're with someone young, you feel more youthful.
	You feel like, oh my god, this is like, I get to have fun.
	They don't have to deal with the hard realities.
	And I don't want to date a man that has baggage, like an older man that has like, hasn't dealt with their exes, hasn't dealt with like good parenting.
	Like, I'm not attracted to those things either.
	So I can see Brian's point of view of wanting to be attracted and date someone younger because if they can.
	Yeah.
	If they can.
	If you can, but it's also because it's just a few moments of just enjoying life.
	And sometimes younger people enjoy life a little bit better than someone older because older, you're dealing with so much crap.
	It's hard adulting, man.
	It is so hard adult.
	And it's nice to actually, I mean, let's enjoy this moment of us being here together because life is short.
	You can be friends with someone one day and then they're like, you know, dead.
	So far, maybe.
	Thanks for the music, Andrew.
	And I can say this: like, the vast majority of people.
	We love you too.
	The vast majority of 40-year-old men have no chance getting a girl in college.
	Getting a 21-year-old.
	No chance.
	But, I mean, look, we are, anyways, we already had the conversation.
	I want to get around to everybody, but first I got to read two chats.
	Morgan, can you read this one, please?
	Follow up to the hair question.
	If men that like hairless women are PDF files, why do you shave?
	Are you trying to attract PDF files?
	How many hairy armpits are on the panel tonight?
	You know, I was going to say that my grandmother told me that after World War II, all the soldiers came back from Europe, and that's when they wanted the women to start shaving their legs and shaving their armpits because the sex workers in France had shaved.
	Yeah, and so that was that's where that came back over to the U.S. and was hairy there.
	W French sex workers.
	I thought the French workers were hairy.
	French sex workers.
	W French prostitutes.
	Wait, so come around this.
	Do you shave your legs, I guess?
	Yeah.
	Or armpits.
	I thought it's the armpits.
	Yeah, armpits.
	Yes.
	That's disgusting.
	You guys are all disgusting.
	Trying to attract these PDF files.
	I'm not sure how my armpits are.
	You're playing into it.
	You guys are playing into this perverse societal correlation, correlate.
	What?
	I don't get how you can't agree that that's very obvious in society.
	What's up?
	I'm joking with you guys.
	It's not really very obvious to me.
	Can you read this one, Morgan?
	I'm a 35-year-old woman and young girls.
	And you young girls really need to take a note from your elders.
	Brian would and should date someone at 20 over me at 35.
	Stop taking things so personally.
	You're only 24.
	I'm not taking it personally.
	I don't give a shit.
	She don't.
	You kind of give a shit.
	I mean, like, those are the things.
	I mean, I give you a shit.
	Yeah, you're a rage quit five minutes ago.
	What are you talking about?
	You were about to walk out.
	You're like, I'm about to walk out of here.
	I got heated for the moment.
	It's good.
	It's good.
	When I'm not here, I don't think about any of this.
	Same here, which is interesting.
	So, I give a shit for that moment, but besides, I'm a moment, I don't care.
	Because, like, I honestly am.
	Did we bring you down from the higher plane of consciousness?
	No.
	I brought you up.
	I brought a spirit, Andrew.
	I brought you up with me.
	You can't deny that.
	You brought consciousness to the fourth dimensional.
	Yo, Andrew, you know, I brought you up with me.
	You can't deny that.
	You too, Brian.
	Yeah, I feel it.
	There you go.
	I feel it.
	Personally, I'm glad you stayed.
	Open.
	My esotericism is at a plus 10 right now.
	My heart chakra opens.
	Okay, we're going to finally.
	This must be three hours later.
	I feel like, how can you relate then if you want to date someone that's younger, though?
	Like, I'm still stuck on this.
	All right, how can you relate to that?
	I'll engage there really quick, but I do have to move it on.
	So, okay, so you mean like if I was dating a 25-year-old, how would they want to do that?
	And their experiences, like, say they haven't really been through a big loss.
	How can you, like, help that person through life, too?
	Whoever said I'm desirous of dating a partner who's had losses in their life.
	No, I said experiences, like, baggage and trauma.
	Wait, but I just told you I don't like that.
	So, wouldn't it like?
	I said, how can you not like?
	No, I said, how can you not?
	If you're going to date someone who's around 25 and hasn't been through stuff like that, how can you be a partner with that person if they've never like they can't help and guide you as well?
	But what does that have to do with anything?
	Because she's saying that, like, the life experience isn't on the same level.
	Like, they haven't been through the same.
	So she's wondering.
	I just want someone who's like, if you will be able to connect or something.
	Just like help be a partner through life.
	What does the baggage have to do with somebody's capacity to be a partner?
	Like I said, we were talking about like...
	I think I know what she's asking.
	We were talking about like, say you lose someone in your life, right?
	If you've never lost someone at 25, then how can you be a partner, be like the best partner for that person?
	How would the 25-year-old be a partner for the other?
	Yeah, compassion.
	You learn as you go.
	Yeah.
	You learn as you go.
	You know, you get tried in the fire, and then that's where somebody's character is going to show because you don't build character in bad times.
	Bad times is when your character actually shows the character you already have.
	This is actually an interesting thought.
	So I've had this experience with nurses, actually.
	And so there's this idea that nurses tend to be more empathetic, but nurses have very stressful jobs, and they're actually frequently around severe illness, death.
	And what I've actually found, having dated a couple nurses, it's not clear to me if they're more empathetic than their counterparts who are not in the healthcare field.
	What do you mean?
	Nurses.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's like, it almost, you can almost say that somebody who's around that stuff all the time, it actually starts to diminish.
	They get together.
	Desensitized people getting desensitized.
	I can understand that, but maybe it's because they understand that part on a different level and they're already in that type of wisdom.
	So they already understand that.
	Like, do you think if there's a girl who's otherwise great, great personality, attractive, but she hasn't been to a funeral, that I'm like, ah, fuck that bitch.
	I'm not going to talk.
	Like, I'm really?
	Is that.
	No, I don't mean it like that.
	But you're like, oh, well, she hasn't gone through this.
	So, like, why would you date her?
	No, I was asking you a question generally.
	What was the question?
	She was asking, if I, may I?
	Yeah.
	She was asking, how is that younger person with fewer life experiences going to be a good partner to the older person?
	How are they going to know how to support that person in these life situations?
	But I mean, I really think that it'll just come naturally to what your character is.
	It's going to come out.
	Like, life is, that's one thing that you're pretty much guaranteed is you'll have plenty of opportunities to practice.
	I mean, but I guess so, but I feel like you have to go through things to know where you're going to be.
	Like, you kind of have to.
	You can't just like, that's kind of like experiencing life.
	You're going to know more than just reading a book about it.
	You got to go and do it.
	Oh, I will.
	I actually, if I'm dating, if I'm dating a girl, I actually want to protect her from as many things as possible that could potentially hurt her.
	Yeah.
	Like, I don't want, like, frankly, a lot of the women in the entertainment industry, for example, like the entertainment industry, super cutthroat, super toxic.
	A lot of like weird people, both men and women.
	And what I found in terms of like women in the entertainment industry, which is actually why I've never dated like a content creator or anything, like I date quote-unquote normal girls.
	When you, like, for example, a lawyer, for example, if a woman's an attorney, she typically becomes less of what men are typically attracted to.
	Because to be a lawyer, you have to be disagreeable and you become well-practiced in argumentation.
	And I want to argue with a girl.
	And, you know, expanding beyond just a lawyer, like businesswoman, you business, the corporate world, super cut throat.
	Super cut throat.
	And so you tend to become a bit more masculine.
	And so I guess my hope would be to, I guess, protect my girl from my woman, girl, girlfriend, my woman from like those sorts of experiences.
	But then how, like, that was a bunch of word salads.
	Sorry, guys.
	I know what you mean, but no, that was a word salad on my part.
	What a nice response.
	Okay, so if like if like, I want to make enough money so my girl doesn't have to work.
	See, that's like so.
	But but what is the reason for like?
	Um, why wouldn't you want someone to have like their own stance on something like?
	Why would you want someone not to be argumentative?
	Because so I a lot of men, and especially with my work, so my work's very challenging.
	I'm not even just talking about the podcast.
	Most of the stress related to this show is actually stuff that goes on behind the scenes.
	Andrew can actually attest to this recently.
	Um, we're not going to talk about it, but some like just there's always bogus nonsense going on behind the scenes.
	Andrew, do you know what i'm talking about?
	Yeah, just like major, major headache stuff.
	And so I'm already out in the world trying to combat with the world through my career, through my job.
	I don't want to have to contend with my partner.
	I want my partner to be peace, to bring me peace.
	And actually, like, I don't want to like get into debates and argue with girls, even though it's kind of like what I do on this podcast.
	If I'm dating somebody, I'm never like I'm not arguing.
	I just want it to be chill.
	I don't like to argue any of that stuff.
	But who's conceding then?
	Because I feel like someone has to, someone's compromising that in that situation.
	Yeah, that's that.
	Well, so I actually will agree with you here and give you an olive branch.
	I do think that there would be a concession, and that is submission of the woman.
	That's where, okay, that's, yeah, that's where I disagree then.
	Well, yeah, what's wrong with a woman submitting to a man?
	I just don't, like, I understand, like, there can be scenarios, like, there are scenarios, like, you know, intimacy and stuff like that.
	There are scenarios where like that can be a thing, but like, I don't, I don't know why, like, it wouldn't be valued, like, an opinion on, like, say, like, like you said, like, a debater on something like what fruit is like, I don't know, you can't really debate on fruit because that's like objective, but like something that is subjective.
	Brian, but even a thing which is subjective.
	So from the context that I'm looking at it at, I don't believe that there's any two consciousness which exist.
	Consciousnessness.
	Consciousnesses?
	Conscious.
	It's a joke, kidding.
	Trying to lighten the mood.
	I don't think that there's ever going to be two people who come into contact where one doesn't ultimately end up dominating the other to some degree.
	I don't even believe that that's possible.
	I don't think that there's ever going to be a such thing as true equality between two people ever.
	I don't even think that such a thing is a possibility.
	So if you're in a relationship with another person, one person is going to be the dominant head.
	Why would that person not logically be the person who is physically stronger and the person who has to go and make the bread and make the financial choices for the household?
	That seems to kind of track and follow.
	The protector is going to be the person who ultimately is looked at as the leader and the leader of the household.
	So why shouldn't the woman submit to him?
	Here's what I would be interested in hearing: is what would you define?
	Well, can you let her answer real quick?
	Oh, sure.
	Just real quick.
	So I would say, like, for that.
	So that's like, my issue with that is, like, you don't value my opinion on, like, you said financial decisions, right?
	That's not true.
	But you said, like, you're the dominant, like, you're the end-all-be-all.
	So, yeah, well, I think you're making like a conflation.
	It's not that, so for instance, I'm married.
	I value my wife's opinion, but what if we're having a conflict and I don't agree with her?
	If I say, look, you know, I don't agree.
	I think right now it's the time for our family to take risk.
	And you don't think it's time for our family to take risk.
	Well, I value your opinion, your input, ultimately the decision falls on me to make that choice.
	And so I'm going to lead our family towards risk, let's say, or less risk.
	Let's say she says, I want to do something which is more risky to our finances.
	Ultimately, that falls on me to make that choice.
	There's only going to ever be one person who is the head, whether it's the woman or the man.
	I just think that it seems to be preferable that the man is the head.
	Women seem to prefer it, and men seem to prefer it.
	So you're saying, like, if you guys have a disagreement, you're the end decision.
	Of course.
	That's why I wanted to know how you define submission because I do have a thought I'd like to share, but I'd like to hear your definition of it first so I know where we're coming from.
	I would say it would probably be like at the end of the day, that's like the final decision.
	That's the final thing.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	In that sense, real quick, I would just say, like, you can think about it like, just think about like a platonic relationship, though.
	Like, you and your friend.
	I understand in this scenario, you're not talking about that.
	But, like, in you and someone you really respect, if you want to think about someone you respect and think about it in that type of way, I don't understand how you can respect that person and have them always submit to your final decision.
	How can you still respect that person, though?
	Okay.
	Well, that's like, let me kind of give you an easy counter to this.
	I have children.
	I respect my children, but they're going to adhere to my word, whether I respect them or not.
	If I think that they're doing something, they're fucking up in some way.
	For instance, let's say they want to put their hand in their fire.
	I'm not going to respect them enough to let them do that.
	They're going to respect me instead.
	And they're not going to put their hand in the fire regardless of what they want.
	I don't care what they want.
	They're going to do what they're told because it's for their safety.
	And that's what's going to happen.
	What's actually wrong with that?
	What is the problem with me?
	Are you saying I don't respect them because I won't let them make decisions which are bad for them?
	I think what she's.
	Wait, hold on.
	Actually, let me just devil's advocate this.
	Yeah, but Andrew, women aren't children.
	The thing is, though, is that the whole night we've been hearing about how women are infantilized and they have to shave their body hair so that they could be more like.
	But that aside, we'll let that go for a second.
	The point in principle here is not whether or not women are children.
	I agree that they're not.
	And I don't infantilize women.
	I think that they are perfectly capable of making decisions and be held to account for those decisions.
	But the point still stands that if I see anybody who's fucking up and doing something which is against their own interest and I'm responsible for their interests, then it falls as a duty to me to step in and do something about that.
	And that includes my wife.
	That includes my children.
	That would include my brother, my sister, anybody who's an extension of my family, wouldn't it?
	But how do you trust that you have the best decision on that then?
	Trust.
	How do you know that you are?
	It doesn't come down to trust.
	It comes down to who can.
	It comes down to who can.
	And so the thing is, is that there are those who can and there are those who can't.
	Ultimately, in a family dynamic, men can do things women can't do, and women can't do very much men can't.
	And that is the truth.
	You may not like that truth, but all I would ask you to do to disprove this is tell me a thing which you think that women are going to generally be better at than men inside of a home setting.
	I'd like to know what that is, but I can name for you many things men are going to generally be much better at than women.
	Give birth.
	So their primary edict?
	The thing which I agree is their primary function?
	No, you really got me with that one.
	I know.
	So, can you give me the example?
	She gave me the layup.
	Yeah.
	So, I wanted you to hit, you know, a home run, so to speak.
	Yeah, well, that was quite the home run.
	But anyway, back over to you, Red.
	I say that because I don't remember names.
	It's nothing personal.
	But, Red Hair, can you tell me what you think that women are going to be more dominant in in the household than men?
	What they're going to be more skilled at, better at?
	Like, in an average sense, we're talking about in society, averagely, they would be maybe excelling in.
	Yeah.
	What are they going to be better at?
	Maybe consoling, maybe consoling children.
	Or, like, maybe I would also, like, I don't know, though, because like, I feel like there's different, like, I know both circumstances where like some women are shut down emotionally towards their children and some men aren't.
	So, there's like rules reversed in certain ways.
	Well, I guess ultimately, we can reduce it to: do you think that women are better at leading households than men?
	That's the question.
	No, I think it, no.
	No.
	And so, you know, it really comes down to that.
	Men are better at leading households.
	And because of that, generally, women need to submit.
	I got to move it on.
	Okay, but I have a really good thing they're making on.
	Okay, so basically, if you're going to trust the man to have your best interests at heart and in mind, you better be darn sure before you get into that situation.
	All right.
	So don't marry the guy if his character is not the character that you can know beyond the shadow of a doubt that he would have.
	Yes, you can.
	Give it enough time and you'll see.
	But the other thing I was going to say earlier is that actually the scriptures, talking about Christianity, the scriptures talk about the wife submitting to her husband as the head of the family and everything, right?
	Are you religious?
	No.
	But I just want to.
	I don't think that's going to work on her.
	Well, I just wanted to tell her this because this is important.
	It goes to the question she had about submission.
	And the very next scripture that people don't talk about is it talks about being submissive to each other.
	It's talking to the same married couple, and the man is supposed to be selfless, give his life for his wife.
	And that's how committed he is.
	And the wife is supposed to give respect to her husband and submit to his final say.
	And then you're supposed to submit to each other.
	So that goes to what your question was.
	Well, what if she does not?
	No, you're not supposed to submit to each other.
	In that way.
	Yes, that's what the scripture says.
	Yeah, what one another.
	Yeah, what scripture?
	No, no, no.
	I'm not going to let you back off of this.
	What scripture do you think it says they should?
	So I'm going to read you some scriptures.
	1 Corinthians.
	So.
	Yeah, you know.
	No, hang on, please.
	I'm still speaking.
	Hold on.
	You can.
	I'm not speaking too.
	No, but you can wait until I made my point, and then you can correct me just like you ask other people.
	I can correct you now, too.
	Just like you ask other people to do.
	You can give me the same respect.
	Are you supposed to correct men when it comes to theology?
	Hey, I supposed to correct men when it comes to theology.
	I'm speaking right now.
	I'm not in theology or not.
	We're not in a church.
	Are you supposed to correct men when it comes to theology?
	I am speaking to her.
	Yeah, and you can wait until I'm correct.
	I'm speaking to you.
	No, you want to be here.
	And then you can correct whatever you feel like needs to be corrected.
	No, I'm sorry.
	Are you supposed to be a person?
	Anyway, I don't know what to say.
	I'm just women on theology.
	If they disagree and the wife feels very strongly in disagreement, in effect, they should hold off on the decision.
	Yeah, that's all bullshit.
	I wouldn't listen to anything.
	Excuse me.
	Excuse me.
	You're being disrespectful.
	Yeah, I am being disrespectful.
	You're not supposed to be aware of yourself.
	I am on theology.
	You're a woman.
	I am.
	You're supposedly a Christian.
	Stop correcting men on theology.
	I am speaking to this young lady.
	I don't know what you're speaking to.
	I'm not afraid of you.
	You're being corrected by theology.
	Aren't you supposed to be a Christian and be silent?
	No!
	Okay, wow.
	I would say that I'm marrying him, and I'm going to finish my thought.
	And that is that if a man is truly doing what the scripture says, then he is going to.
	Okay, yeah, he is going to listen to his wife's opinion.
	He's going to listen to her counsel, and he's going to take that to heart.
	And in effect, they shouldn't have a decision being made.
	It shouldn't be a dogmatic, you're doing this, it doesn't matter how you feel.
	That's not the way it goes.
	Oh, well, let's see if we can't correct some of this nonsense that she just tried to fill your head with if she ever stops the woman prattle of the Protestant nonsense.
	Let's see if we can correct some of that.
	Oh, geez.
	Andrew, first of all.
	First, let's start with wives, submit yourself unto your own husbands as unto the Lord.
	Who is the Lord?
	Who is the Lord?
	Oh, now suddenly cats got your tongue.
	You don't want to be corrected by man.
	It's your turn to talk.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so answer my question.
	Wives submit yourself unto your own husband as unto the Lord.
	What does that mean?
	Go ahead and explain to everybody.
	Explain to everybody your views.
	Submit yourselves unto your husband as unto the Lord.
	What does that mean?
	You don't know?
	Suddenly cats got you.
	You don't know?
	Suddenly?
	No, I know what I think, and I'm letting you.
	What does that mean?
	Wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands as you would unto the Lord.
	What does that mean?
	You don't know?
	I do know.
	I'm not speaking to you.
	Then tell me what it means.
	Yeah, you're not speaking to me.
	I'm letting you explain.
	Suddenly, when your Christian values are put up to correction from a man, suddenly your cat's got your tongue.
	She just doesn't feel like she needs to explain herself.
	Andrew, could you just go like that?
	No, I can't.
	So many flips.
	Back to this.
	Back to this.
	Andrew.
	Can you explain what that means?
	Look at all these people.
	You explain what it means.
	Don't you dare, Andrew.
	He's an animal.
	Now it's on your mic.
	It was on your side.
	Andrew, just you explain instead of asking.
	I don't have to do what he says.
	I know.
	What does that mean?
	Wives, submit yourself unto your husband as unto the Lord.
	The problem is that you just got what's called a false gospel.
	That's why women shouldn't teach ever.
	She's teaching mutual submission.
	There's nothing about mutual submission.
	Wives, submit yourself unto your husbands as unto the Lord.
	Who is the Lord?
	That is God.
	You're supposed to submit yourself unto your husbands as you would unto God.
	This is not mutual submission.
	This is unpredictable.
	You should have let me move it on.
	You should have let me move it on.
	I know one guy is the next question.
	Hold on.
	So, I got to move it on.
	I got to move it on.
	Okay, so.
	Okay.
	Please do.
	Going to you.
	I'll get into your notes.
	I know you've had a lot to say.
	Serena, we'll finally wrap this up.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years?
	Whoa, my God.
	I queen everything.
	I forgot if I answered it.
	I forgot to answer that.
	Is it two hours later?
	Wait, how's it?
	Why is that funny?
	She's just really active.
	She didn't answer.
	She didn't get to answer it.
	I know.
	Hey, I got a good memory.
	Okay, I'll answer.
	Straight to the point.
	10 years?
	Sure.
	41, kind of reaching it.
	51, not so much.
	My tabloid is slowing down.
	Yeah.
	So, wait, 31, yes, better looking than now at 21.
	41, maybe.
	Maybe, maybe.
	Okay.
	And then what about you?
	Better looking?
	Better looking.
	No, no, of course not.
	But I'll still be beautiful.
	Yeah, that's not what we're saying.
	Yeah, but no, not better looking.
	No, it doesn't.
	You can still be good looking.
	Life is life.
	Yeah.
	And then I would like an answer to my question.
	No, thank you.
	I'm just going to say I refuse to answer the question.
	What do you think wives submit yourself under your own husband's mind?
	I'm not speaking to that anymore.
	She just said she's not speaking to it.
	You can explain.
	I'm not going to talk to you anymore because I said what I said.
	I'm going to preach a false heretical doctrine.
	You can say what you think.
	You can't get me.
	Well, I think you're a heretic, and I want you to answer my question.
	Oh, my God.
	Stop being a heretic and answer.
	Heretic accusation.
	You've got pretty hair now.
	Yes, you do.
	Okay.
	Woman preachers, you know, gay marriage, all this stuff.
	I would like to go.
	She is not going to answer that.
	Whatever.
	We're on the whatever show.
	She never answered the question either.
	So, question though.
	Were you better looking at 44 versus 54?
	No.
	So better?
	No, I think I was better looking younger.
	Got it.
	But I think I peaked it around 30.
	We did it.
	Oh, did I. Time permitting, we'll talk about, I guess, why it matters because you wanted to know that.
	But I'll give you the quick rundown.
	Nick, pull up the hypergamy chart super quick.
	I'm going to do the 30-second version of this.
	Here is the 32nd version.
	Okay.
	This is hypergamy.
	And so on the left is whom men would happily partner with.
	On the right, whom women would happily partner with.
	So what ends up happening, if you have a cohort of women who overestimate their physical attractiveness and their attractiveness in general in the dating marketplace, they're going to be chasing after men who are, not to be mean to these women, who are quite frankly out of their league.
	And so what ends up happening, especially with the hookup culture that we have, is women have sexual access to men who are out of their league.
	But you can't really say the same thing about men.
	Like if a man steps to a woman who's outside of his league, he's going to get an instant rejection.
	Like if I step to a really attractive girl, I'm getting an instant rejection.
	She's not going to consider me for even a casual hookup.
	Whereas men, if we encounter a woman who we deem as and objectively, let's say objectively is deemed as less attractive than us, we'll still consider her for short-term sex, right?
	So what ends up happening is women of a certain attractiveness level can get sex from men outside of their league.
	What ends up happening is women will think that because I can get sex from this guy, he's X amount of attractive.
	That's now my league.
	Then, but they'll never get commitment.
	This is where women just get continuously in these situationships.
	They never get commitment.
	All these fuckboys, they start to actually resent men.
	And so because of that, they'll actually look at men who are on their level or in their league as settling or below them, even though those are the men who are probably most likely to treat them well and give them commitment and monogamy.
	In addition to that, one of the major factors and differentials here is that, so as a guy, if I can sleep with a girl, there's a very high probability that I can get that girl into a long-term monogamous relationship.
	It's not clear to me if, as a woman, just because you can fuck a guy, you can get him into a relationship.
	So that's a major differential there.
	I'm not saying, like, look, some women engage in hookups and they have no intention of getting into a relationship.
	But the big thing here is, again, I'll just state it one more time.
	So as a guy, if I can sleep with a girl, very good chance I could get her into a relationship.
	But if you sleep with a guy, it's not a guarantee. that you can get him into a relationship.
	And so for this reason, it's actually more important that women have a reasonable self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness in the dating marketplace.
	Otherwise, they're going to be chasing men who are, quite frankly, out of their league.
	And they're going to end up just either, you know, jumping from guy to guy to guy, never getting commitment, constantly stuck in situationships.
	And then they're going to eventually, you know, maybe down the road after they've had their fun in their 20s, they'll find a guy in their 30s and then settle with him.
	And it's probably not going to be a great relationship because she thinks she's settling.
	She could have done better.
	She's going to be pining over one or two or three guys in her 20s who are much more attractive, fucked her better, whatever it may be.
	So that's why it matters.
	Can I respond?
	Sure.
	So I would say that it would be more about your values when you equal up to a person, because wouldn't it have to do with like, if this person values this, we don't equal, we don't agree on the same values, then we're not gonna.
	We're not gonna match up.
	So if I, if I don't value something that ends up being a long-term thing, then I'm not gonna end up in that place with that person.
	I think it has.
	Wouldn't it have to do with values?
	At the end of the day?
	So you're fucking men that don't have you don't have the same values or whatever.
	Yeah, you're.
	If you're not in the same.
	Yeah, if you don't have the same values, but you know they don't have the same values as you, it's not gonna work out.
	Or maybe people have like the wrong intentions going into it or think they maybe have the same intentions, but after certain encounters maybe it just changes.
	Have you guys okay, have you guys had the experience of you sleep with a guy and you really want him to be your boyfriend, but he says something along the lines of I'm just not, I'm not ready yet?
	Or he strings you along for a couple months, continues to fuck you and then it just kind of eventually fizzles away into nothing.
	Have you had that experience?
	So what do you think that is?
	What is that attribute to, then?
	That that's you having sex with men who aren't willing to commit to you.
	So what would that be, though?
	Like what that's that?
	Wouldn't that be their values?
	Like your, your values, you're?
	They're not equaling up right, but what I'm saying is is that what that could be, what that could be, is that you're sleeping with men who are out of your league because you're attracted to them.
	I think that's just one theory I don't know if that's that's not that's not like a proven okay who's more I mean I'll just ask you the question if a guy can sleep with a girl do you think he has an easier time getting her in a relationship than the reverse I would say that's probably true, because a lot of women look more for relationships to begin with.
	So I think that's true in that sense.
	I think men, especially when they're younger, aren't necessarily looking for a relationship like that.
	So I'd say yeah okay, I think it just would be.
	It just would depend on what both of the values are like, how they equal up.
	Totally, following on the whole, I'm not sure how I'm following on the values thing.
	Okay.
	So what's the argument, I guess?
	Like, I don't think it's necessarily about.
	Let me ask it a different way.
	If you sleep with a guy, how confident, how confident are you that you can get him into a relationship if you sleep with him within the first three dates?
	I don't even know if I wouldn't say anything type of confidence.
	I would not even know how to answer that question because I think it's more like it's like deeper than that, right?
	Because then you don't know.
	It depends on how much we know each other.
	We don't know like what our values are, how they align.
	Like, I don't know how to answer that question.
	Okay.
	Well, so you're looking at it from the point of view of would I date them or would they date me?
	Your question was would they date me?
	Right.
	Okay.
	Let's say, have you ever had like a one-night stand?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So do you think in a actually, let me frame this a little differently.
	If you hook up with a guy on the second date, how confident are you that you can turn that second date hookup into a boyfriend?
	I think what you're saying, though, is what each person wants.
	Sometimes people just want casual sex.
	Yes, both people could want the same things.
	Yeah, some people value relationships.
	But what I'm saying is, like me as a guy.
	Look, there's girls out there that just want to.
	Okay, here's the other thing that I forgot to mention.
	So typically, in order for a woman to sleep with a guy, the guy needs to be at least physically attractive enough for her to be in a relationship with him.
	Whereas for a guy, we'll sleep with a girl who just based on her looks, we would immediately disqualify for a relationship just based on her looks, but we'll still sleep with her.
	So what is that attributed to, do you think?
	There is no attribute.
	What does that mean?
	Wait, was that just like a statement or was that like more, because I feel like a step?
	What are you saying?
	So guys, typically women will actually break a rule in the opposite direction.
	So in order for a woman to have a one-night stand where she otherwise wouldn't, the guy has to be like really physically attractive.
	Whereas for a guy to have a one-night stand with a woman, he's actually going to go the opposite way where he will have sex with a girl who's less attractive than he would otherwise be in a long-term relationship with.
	Now, if he can get a one-night stand from a really hot girl, he'll do it.
	But men are willing to have casual sex down.
	Whereas when women choose to have casual sex, it typically ends up being with men who they might not be able to get into a relationship, but they can get casual sex from him.
	Yeah, I get that.
	The silence in this room is palpable, by the way, because you all know I'm right.
	Okay.
	I mean, I have to say that.
	You're right.
	I don't know what response is.
	It's the difference of the way that men and women view sex.
	I mean, that's the foundational thing.
	Yeah, and there's a chemical reaction that happens in a woman where she has attachments after she sleeps with a man.
	So it's a different brain chemistry that happens.
	Absolutely.
	It's bonding.
	Yeah, it's a bonding.
	And, You know, that's the beauty about men and women because we have different men have a different drive than women, and then women have that chemistry that happens after they sleep with a man.
	So, right, but I mean, just to reiterate kind of again what I'm saying.
	So, yes, I heard what you said.
	Like, a man will sleep with someone just to have sex, whereas a woman has higher criteria or standards because she wants to have this man be someone that she wants to date.
	So, like, if a woman is kind of on the lookout for casual sexual encounter, like, she's going to be like hyper-focus in on like a really hot, attractive guy if she's inclined to go get that casual sex.
	Whereas a guy, he's going to just be like, I'll get whatever I can take.
	Right.
	And so, that opens up this potential for men who are, frankly, more attractive than a given woman to have sex with that given woman.
	Maybe keep her rounds as a friends with benefits.
	She'll never get commitment.
	She'll never get a relationship.
	And so, that's why it's important for women to realize, again, their how do I put this best? Their attractiveness in the dating marketplace.
	So, that's why if you got a bunch of girls saying, I'm a 10, I'm a 10, I'm a 10, you're gonna be chasing after a certain caliber, a certain tier of guy who you'll never get commitment from.
	So, women's league is who you can get commitment from, who you can get long-term relationship from, who you can get marriage from.
	Your league is not the cohort of men who you can have sex with once or a couple times or even friends with benefits.
	That's not your league ever.
	Whereas for men, our league is pretty much anywhere from any girl we can have sex with.
	That's our league in terms of physical appearance.
	Sounds good, sounds normal.
	Checks out pretty.
	Yeah, I mean, not that that's if you have a lot of guy friends, you get to hear that kind of conversation, which I have.
	And so, and I grew up with brothers that look a lot like you two, one dark, one light one.
	And, you know, it's just part of kind of life that well, do you guys?
	Would you guys agree with this statement?
	Women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
	Yeah, yes, that's a good thing.
	Anyways, let's see.
	Let's get into some notes here.
	I need to get Serena in the conversation.
	Okay.
	Let's do Twitch, Nick.
	Yeah, I'll probably drop it for a little bit.
	Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	If you have one, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Guys, it has been 31 minutes since we've had a prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	I think Twitch is broken, boys.
	Drop us a follow.
	And a prime sub, boys.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	And let me get into some of my pre-show notes here.
	We have, oh, AB Check, thanks for the gifted 20 memberships, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Serena, you said you have way too many crazy, unique dating stories.
	How many first dates?
	Oh, so how many first dates have you been on?
	Probably like a handful.
	I lost count, but it's been a while since I've been on a first date now.
	Okay.
	Well, isn't it?
	I mean, you've only been dating your guy for, well, six months?
	I think after probably after my long-term relationship, I experienced dating here and online dating, and it was very different from growing up in a very small town.
	So I met a bunch of different people, didn't really know what it was like to date outside of what I knew.
	So.
	Okay.
	And you said that you wanted to talk about splitting the check.
	Oh, yeah.
	I went on this date with a guy, and I've actually never had to pay for a date before besides this one.
	With your current, is this your current boyfriend?
	No, this is not my current boyfriend.
	Okay.
	But we had a conversation.
	You asked me how I felt about splitting the check.
	And I've never split the check, so I was just kind of like, okay, yeah, like, I guess I'm fine with it.
	I do prefer guys paying for the first date just because, like, they want to meet it shows that they want interest to spend time with me.
	I'm like, okay, well, then I want to spend time with you too.
	And instead of splitting the check, I ended up actually spending the whole paying for the whole date.
	Ew.
	Was there a second date?
	No, there wasn't a second date.
	Because of the check thing.
	I would have been fine splitting the check, but going in there, yeah, there was just not a second date.
	Wait, and you paid the whole bill?
	I did.
	How did they do it?
	How?
	Yeah.
	How'd this happen?
	It was State Street parking.
	Duh, you don't pay for parking after 10.
	I was like, okay, then I'll pay for a food.
	Sure, go ahead.
	He's like, okay, maybe he paid like two bucks for like parking, but then I ended up spending like $15, $20 on food.
	And you said all your other first dates, the guy always paid?
	Yeah, I've offered to split or like offer to pay my part, but all the guys I've been with have paid or put my card away.
	There wasn't a second date because you had to pay for the date?
	It was just, I mean, I don't know if it had to be the main portion of why I didn't want to see him, but it was a, I think.
	Were you upset?
	Were you upset by it?
	Yeah.
	Even for me.
	I think so.
	Yeah, I think I was upset about it.
	So you were upset about essentially the experience that all the other men that you've dated, like, you were in their shoes, basically.
	I get.
	Oh, I see what you mean by like expecting them to pay, or is that what you mean?
	Can I ask you a question?
	Did he ask you out or did you ask him out?
	He asked me out.
	W. Think you paid?
	W.
	And then I paid.
	For sure.
	I'm leaving.
	Like, I'm not going to.
	I see it.
	Like, I was just like, I was in the situation.
	I'm like, I guess it's already.
	Yeah, I'll pay.
	Well, especially when he asks you to, like, split it, and then he's expecting you to pay everything.
	Then that's kind of like, that's more like a weasel.
	Because if I say to someone, he wanted you for a free date.
	He wanted you for a free food.
	He used to.
	You know, because you wanted to do it.
	I mean, he's asked to go out a couple more times, but I. Because he wants more free food.
	Yeah.
	Foodie call.
	He's hustling.
	Yeah, yeah, that's what he calls.
	And so you haven't had a lot of opportunity to speak throughout the show.
	I mean, were there any of the topics that came out throughout this evening?
	Were there any topics that I saw a couple times you leaned into the microphone, but you didn't really get a chance to speak.
	So if there's anything that you wanted to touch on from previous convos?
	Honestly, it's been a long couple of hours that everything's become a blob that I can't remember for seven years.
	Yeah.
	Seven hours.
	Yeah, you're right.
	It's been seven hours.
	Oh, my goodness.
	So you got anything?
	Like yawning.
	I like piggybacking off of other people's stories and listening.
	Alright.
	Is Andrew frozen?
	He's been like that for a while.
	He's listening.
	Intensely listening.
	What happened to Andrew?
	It's the Lord's doing.
	Oh, he's back.
	Why is it so alarming that he's back?
	In your notes, you said meeting a good guy, he will do what he wants to do.
	I think so.
	I think my boyfriend currently has shown me what it's like to have.
	I don't know.
	I think he's been the best guy I've ever been with because he wants to do things, even if I don't want him to.
	He'll offer to like do laundry.
	Like, I want to show, like, I want to contribute, but he wants to just show because he loves me.
	Like, he just doesn't want to do it.
	Wait, do you guys live together?
	We don't live together.
	So, wait, when you say does laundry, does he lose?
	Like, I'll spend one of them.
	Does he have laundry at your place?
	Yeah, he'll do.
	If he has laundry, I'll like do his laundry too.
	But when I go over to his place, he'll just like, oh, where's your laundry?
	Like, I'm going to do it.
	I'll fold the clothes.
	Like, you don't have to.
	I'll be like, oh, but you're putting it in the wash.
	I can go fold it.
	He'll want to do that thing.
	I want to cook, but we can cook together.
	Are you sure?
	Or no, then let me just cook for you.
	Let me make you lunch.
	Let me make you dinner.
	And you can just take it to work because you wake up early in the morning and commute.
	And then you said how I knew the relationship I am in right now is different.
	I think I just feel very secure.
	Like, I'm usually very anxious and avoidant.
	Like, I don't like talking about my emotions or when issues come up.
	But when he notices things, he addresses it and is very patient with me.
	And I'll talk about my feelings.
	And he just, thank you for letting me know how you feel.
	Like, I'll try to understand where you're coming from, and I want to work on these things.
	Did you meet him on a dating app?
	No, I didn't meet him through a dating app.
	It's my friend's fiancé's brother.
	Aww.
	Yeah.
	How sweet.
	How old is he?
	He's 23.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you're 20, right?
	I'm 21.
	Yeah.
	You said weird experiences, dating, and breakups before the one month?
	Oh, yeah, there was a pattern where I, and maybe it's just because it was online dating.
	I would meet people, talk with them for like three, four months, hang out, and then they'd want a relationship.
	And I'm like, okay, sure.
	I'll try this out and it just ends up being at the one month that something just goes wrong and they're just like mmmm.
	Law Palin's just said there's a hurricane.
	I think he's joking.
	Oh.
	Damn, don't joke about that shit, bro.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	You said you want to talk about red flags, hookup phases?
	Oh.
	I think my first time hooking up with someone after the three-year relationship, it was, I guess back then I had a type, and I matched with my type, and I was like, oh, this person actually likes me.
	We talked for a bit.
	He took me on a really great date.
	And it was just something that I've never experienced outside of my hometown or like high school and being in college.
	It was exciting.
	He was older.
	And then I thought everything was great.
	We hooked up and then I didn't see him again.
	But maybe it was, I know he was following a lot of college girls.
	I thought we had a connection.
	And then it was just.
	How old was he?
	I think he was 28.
	And you were.
	And it was pretty bad because I was like, what?
	Like, probably 19.
	I wasn't even 20 or 21.
	But I think honestly, I was naive.
	I didn't really know so much about that.
	He was exactly your type, though.
	Like, white guy?
	Yeah, I guess.
	White guy, outgoing, like sports.
	Very, very plain kind of thing back then.
	So what, I mean, besides just white, what's your type?
	I don't really have a type.
	No.
	Well, but back then.
	Back then, what I thought was my type.
	Was what?
	White guy?
	He's white.
	What's your current boyfriend?
	I mean, yeah, he's white.
	What else?
	I mean, do you have other, like, blue eyes, brown eyes, blonde hair, dark hair, tall, short, muscular, dad-bod?
	Honestly, I think I've gotten more into personality over.
	Okay, I see.
	Alright.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	So you guys.
	Good times.
	Wait, question.
	So you went on this date with this guy, 29, whatever.
	And you guys, did you guys smash?
	On the first date?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Second date?
	Yes.
	Second date.
	Okay.
	And then no third date?
	No third date.
	So what happened there?
	Did you like reach back out to him?
	I did want to hang out.
	We would have conversations here and there.
	And then I was like, okay, let's go out.
	I want to see you again.
	And I'm busy.
	Or I'm not really feeling it today.
	Or not feeling going out tonight or drinking.
	I'm like.
	Damn.
	Play it.
	but like how many times did you make the effort to try to like was that the same experience like before you hooked up Like, it was kind of hard to link up?
	Or was it pretty easy to link up before the smash?
	I think it was pretty easy before that.
	How many times did you try to like link back up?
	Once, twice, three times?
	Two times.
	Two times?
	Yeah.
	Who sent the last text message?
	I think he did.
	He did?
	Yeah.
	What did it just like, no, I can't chill or something?
	Yeah.
	Don't feel like drinking tonight.
	I'm like, I don't know who said anything about drinking, but.
	Good times.
	Yeah, good times.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	Damn, her type just let her down.
	Let her tell him.
	They really did.
	But that he was your type or whatever?
	No.
	It wasn't worth knowing that he was your type.
	I think it was supposed to be that relevant.
	You mentioned something about red flags.
	Oh, red flags.
	What are like red flags?
	I don't know.
	Dating, I feel like if you don't, I think guys that I've dated in the past really like the chase.
	And then maybe if you don't, if you don't want to show interest, I feel.
	I see that.
	Do you know anything?
	I've definitely noticed that before.
	Not with all guys, obviously.
	But maybe I'm like, okay, I guess I'll hang out with you more.
	It gets just, I don't know.
	Maybe connection runs dry and things just kind of fizzle out, which is fine.
	Maybe I'm just not third person.
	Okay, and something about hookup phases, or is that pretty much the story that you just told me?
	Pretty much, I think the first whole year after getting out of a really long-term relationship, I was just experiencing different guys and trying to figure out what I wanted or what I liked.
	How many experiences did you say experiences?
	Figuring out, experimenting?
	Yeah.
	How much experimenting was occurring?
	I don't know.
	What do you mean?
	Like, you want me to give you numbers?
	Or like...
	Hey, why not?
	I don't know.
	Like, I haven't really paid attention.
	You don't have like in your notes on your phone, just like Billy, Bob, Billy, twice.
	Jordan, Jordan.
	Tiger.
	No, I feel like my friends remember more of this stuff than I do.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Other notes here.
	Okay, we did her.
	Serena.
	We have.
	Actually, you know what?
	Before I get into some of more of my pre-show notes, actually, I'll do Dre.
	Is that you, right?
	Yeah.
	Dre.
	Okay.
	You said you were stalked by an ex behind a shed slash push.
	Yeah.
	Could you just scoot the mic to the edge?
	Oh, yeah.
	Scoot it.
	There you go.
	Good job.
	So this is someone I dated my first relationship when I was in eighth grade.
	Huh?
	Yes.
	Yep.
	Getting stocked in the eighth grade.
	Damn, that's right.
	Well, this didn't happen in the egg grade.
	That's early to get stocked.
	This didn't happen in the eighth grade.
	Oh, okay.
	We first, that was, we were both like first relationship, both.
	And then we dated until I was like a sophomore in high school.
	Frick.
	We'll just keep going, I guess.
	Hold on, let me just keep an eye on it.
	Just one sec, guys.
	Sorry, we're getting a bit of lag.
	This would be a great opportunity to say twitch.tv/slash whatever, job is a follow, job is a fire.
	So if you have one, Andrew can still see us.
	I don't know why this is a new problem that continuously happens.
	It looks like it's trying to recover.
	Ooh, it's back down.
	Dropping frames.
	Dropping frames.
	If you're watching this on playback, you're missing out on this juicy stuff.
	And there's Nick in the back.
	He's coughing.
	Is he coughing?
	He's coughing.
	He's over the fire.
	Yep.
	Pull up that chart.
	It's probably the fires causing our power outage here.
	That's why our internet is absolutely fucked.
	Look at this lake fire.
	Only 12% contained.
	I don't know what those firemen are doing, but God bless them.
	They're doing their best.
	They're doing great.
	I mean, it was much more smoky yesterday.
	They're getting that motherfucker contained.
	W's in the chat for the firemen, the California firefighters who keep us protected while we're in a penthouse apartment talking about dating us pampered in air condition department.
	Shout out the firefighters, W firefighters in the chat.
	Nobody can even see me in the chat.
	Pull it back up, Nick.
	Oh my god, it is on fire.
	Oh my god, the chat is on fire.
	Look at the lag.
	Okay, wait, is it back?
	Oh, it's fucking back, boys.
	Boom.
	Check that out.
	41,000.
	Boom.
	Super fast speeds.
	Cox internet can suck a fatty.
	Cox internets.
	Cox internet can suck my cocks.
	Fucking shitty ass cocks.
	Hold on.
	Nick, go to type frontier.com.
	I'm doing a free fucking promo for frontier.com.
	Pull that shit up.
	Frontier.com.
	Oh, yeah, I'm going to say, I thought you wanted that shit.
	Now, just pull that shit up.
	Fuck Cox communication.
	Sorry, boys.
	God damn, bro.
	Okay, this is not even a paid sponsorship.
	If you live in the Santa Barbara area and Frontier Fiber is available for you, switch to Frontier, okay?
	It's not available where we're at yet.
	Once it is, I am done with this Cox internet fucking bullshit, free promo, Frontier, Frontier.com.
	I personally endorse Frontier Internet.
	I've never even used it.
	I've used Cox Internet for over 20 years.
	I just know Frontier's better, okay?
	Okay.
	Switch to Frontier, boys.
	Free promo, free sponsorships.
	If you guys want to cut me a check, we can talk.
	Frontier.com.
	That's beautiful.
	Watch me.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Damn, bro.
	Chill.
	Okay.
	Okay, we're back, boys.
	Where were we?
	We were talking to Dre.
	Is it in the middle of the day?
	We were talking about mutual submission.
	Can we get back to mutual submission?
	I really want to discuss mutual submission.
	It's bothering me, Brian.
	I really like discuss it.
	Real quick.
	Her story's funny and it's crazy.
	Yeah, it's really funny.
	Can you give us the short version?
	Yeah.
	Andrew, we'll get back to it.
	Yeah, we can do a short version.
	Let me get through her notes and then we'll get on it.
	So, yeah, I was just telling you a crazy dating story, and it was like when I was in eighth grade, me and this guy, like first relationship ever, both of us, we dated until I was like a sophomore in high school.
	And then after I graduated high school, we got back together, which should have never happened, but we got back together probably for like two years.
	And then he ended up like stalking me in the town that I live because we didn't live in the same town.
	And then one night I snuck out of my window and the window was open, like it was unlocked.
	And my laptop was right on my bed, like right next to my window.
	And I snuck out.
	And he came out from behind my shed and was like, where are you going?
	In her fenced-in backyard.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	And then he was like, I'm going to tell your mom.
	And I was like, you're insane.
	What are you talking about?
	You're like, come out of my shed right now.
	And then I like jumped the fence and like ran away.
	He ended up stealing my laptop from my window.
	So that's never a story.
	And because he wanted to read my text messages, we had broken up.
	And he was stalking me, trying to get back together.
	That's the story.
	All right.
	And then you said, I don't know if this was a disagreement, imposing views or values onto another.
	Yeah, that was like different.
	So that was like, I was thinking about like, oh, if you're kind of against posting like certain pictures or something on Instagram, like different values, because I've been there in like a relationship where you're like, oh, I don't like that they follow like models or whatever on Instagram, right?
	Say that's the one of the examples.
	So it's kind of like something that I thought I had to come to a realization of.
	And I don't know if I mischaracterized your viewpoint, but I thought it was like, if you don't like something, a lot of the times that's just like what that person like does and is.
	And so sometimes you don't even mess with that person.
	Like if they're following a bunch of like Instagram models and that's not what you value, then you just don't mess with that.
	I actually have a so I do have a rebuttal to this, right?
	So prior to dating, let's say a guy was prior to dating, a woman was posting like bikini photos on her Instagram and kind of maybe posting some more provocative stuff.
	And you might, you know, have your own opinions on if that's acceptable, not acceptable.
	But in any case, he had no problem with her engaging in what he considered single behavior.
	But once they started dating, he wanted her to act in a way that he thought was consistent with her being in a relationship.
	So, for example, when you're single, you might go out to bars and nightclubs and you might be on a dating app.
	But once you decide to be in a relationship, is it wrong to then expect your partner to stop being on a dating app?
	I would say, in my opinion, for me, definitely yes.
	But I think it just depends on, like, I don't know if anyone else has a better answer to that, but like, I feel like it just depends on what you really care about.
	Because some people don't care, right?
	About so, what if you change those?
	So, I mean, like, okay, you're saying, is this kind of I think the main thing you were talking about is like if a girl's posting like bikini photos on Instagram, is that she stops, and then you like want to stop or something?
	Yeah, and so, like, okay, then you're like, oh, I want to take this girl seriously, I want to be in a relationship with her, but this is like a sticking point for me, and I don't want her to be publicly posting like kind of more provocative photos on her Instagram, even though she was doing it before.
	I think that's as long as like she's like, obviously, like in the situation, like you're probably gonna find someone who will be like, Yeah, I'll do that.
	Like, that's fine.
	And they might go along with that, like, they might do that.
	That's fine.
	But I personally wouldn't date someone with that type of view.
	But also, like, at the same time, you're gonna be able to find someone who's gonna also align like that.
	Like, so it is, it is fair to say that you're better off finding somebody who doesn't do that to begin with.
	But what if you're, at least at the beginning of the relationship, you don't really care that much, but then maybe you have a change of like, I'm actually at the beginning, I didn't really care.
	We were just kind of doing our own thing.
	Now that things are getting a bit more serious, I don't want that to continue moving forward.
	Yeah.
	I think.
	So, my can I just answer real quick?
	Yeah.
	Because I've been through this situation like pretty much.
	I would say, like, yeah, you could bring it up and just see how they respond.
	A lot of times, I would just keep in mind, though, that, like, you, especially if it's like, say, you're like, they're liking like certain pictures on Instagram or like in this scenario, in my scenario, and you ask them not to do that, like, it's still something that they hold as like that's what takes up their time.
	Like, they're that, that's what's on their like explore feed still.
	So, like, you could be like, hey, can you not do that?
	But to understand that also, like, that is something that they had valued in their mind, like, just not necessarily valued, but like had done in their free time.
	That's something that like took up space in their mind.
	Because I don't go through Instagram, like, I want someone like on that level where I don't go through Instagram just like scrolling through and like looking at guys.
	But like, assuming someone was in this position where this was not made clear like prior to the start of the relationship, maybe they didn't even have an issue with it prior to the start of the relationship.
	For example, would you be totally fine dating a guy who likes other girls' bikini photos?
	Me personally, yeah, you.
	No.
	Okay.
	But do you think it would be wrong for a girl who perhaps before they were obviously dating, she can't have any control over him?
	A guy who likes random chicks' bikini photos on Instagram, but now that they're in a relationship, the guy continues to be liking like chicks photos, bikini photos, provocative photos on Instagram.
	Do you think that's objectionable to some degree once he's in a relationship with a girl?
	To say something about it?
	No, do you think in a relationship it is objectionable for the guy to be liking other women's sexy photos on Instagram?
	In my opinion, I mean, that's not something that I value.
	Like, I don't want a guy who is like, oh, I'm going to, like, that's something that I like to take up my time with.
	I'd rather you be doing something like better with your time.
	Prior to the relationship.
	Yeah, then I wouldn't be in a relationship with them.
	But he's doing it now, you mean?
	I'm sure there are plenty of women who would get into a relationship with that kind of guy who's inclined.
	Personally, I think that's lame as fuck, but who's like liking chicks' photos on Instagram?
	But now she's in a monogamous, serious long-term relationship with him, and she's no longer, she's not cool with that, with him doing that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So what's the question about?
	Okay, so then, but would you equally object to a man not wanting to date a woman who posts those kind of photos?
	I wouldn't object to it.
	Like, if that's what they agree upon, then that's what they agree upon.
	You know?
	Okay.
	That's kind of like cheating, too, right?
	Isn't that like an agreement in a way?
	Like, isn't that like certain boundaries you set?
	Like, some people think cheating is like, if you're going to do, like, there's like degrees to it.
	Some people agree upon different degrees.
	So I think it could, it could be like, yeah, for sure it could, but I don't know.
	Okay, cool.
	Andrew, I'll give you five minutes on the, how's that sounds?
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I just want to very quickly correct a few things.
	So normally I use only secular arguments when I engage with panels like this.
	I understand that most people are not Christians.
	Or if they are, they're just kind of what you would call a surface level Christian.
	They don't really care.
	Like you guys don't really care at all about the gospel.
	Most of you are secular.
	You know, you're secular.
	That's what you are.
	That's why you're rolling your eyes, this kind of thing.
	I don't even blame you.
	That's why I use secular arguments.
	But I did want to correct this when it comes to submission.
	Submission is not mutual the way that it was described to you.
	And the only reason I'm bringing this up is because a woman was preaching the gospel, which is why women shouldn't be preaching ever or in any capacity in control of anything when it comes to preaching.
	But Timothy addresses women and says, pastors and men submitting, a woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
	Do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over her man.
	She must remain silent.
	Now, this woman will say, that means in church, right?
	But what is the church?
	It is the body of believers.
	Anytime she's preaching, that is the church.
	This is why we consider them to be heretical.
	The reason I'm explaining to you what submission is, there is a Christian ethic, and I want to make sure that you understand what the Christian ethic is.
	It's not about mutual submission.
	You are to submit to your man as you are unto the Lord.
	This means as you would unto God is how you are to submit under the Christian ethic.
	So I just wanted to correct that.
	I'm not going to address her because she refuses to engage.
	As you saw, she just shut right down.
	No, I've not put it.
	I'm terrified.
	Fine, fair enough.
	She can shut right down.
	But I did want to correct that so that you understand that is a false gospel that is being preached to you.
	If you guys have any type of pushback, I'm happy to engage with the pushback.
	But what you just had preached to you was a false gospel.
	No.
	Exactly.
	You say you're a man.
	You're not your man.
	I didn't need to dog.
	And when you show me a man, I mean, you know.
	I don't even know what you just said.
	I said, when you show me a man, then she can, like, shut the fuck up.
	I don't think.
	Like, I don't see one.
	So.
	Why would I take the advice of a woman who has a paper clip in her nose?
	It's not a paperclip.
	So there you go.
	What is it?
	It's an yesterday bar.
	So it was actually made to be like this.
	Thank you.
	Oh, I mean, my bad.
	What was I thinking?
	Yeah, mind your business.
	How about that?
	Yeah, I know.
	What was I thinking?
	I mean, you're the one who dressed me, not me who dressed you.
	But if I fire back someone, you have 20 pieces of steel in your face, and I'm supposed to take it.
	Okay, and it's better than looking like a big mouth character.
	Fuck.
	The fuck?
	Yeah, but doesn't work.
	Andrew, it doesn't matter what we look like.
	I'm supposed to take it.
	You say seriously.
	Okay, are you coming after African tribes?
	Because I know a lot of African tribes that do have like a lot of people.
	Yeah, name a single African tribe by name.
	One.
	You do it.
	The fuck.
	Oh, you do it.
	Messiah.
	Messiah.
	One.
	Messiah.
	I'm going to flip her answer.
	Name a single African tribe.
	Do I ask you to name one?
	One.
	For what reason?
	Why do I have to name something not part of my heritage?
	You just said I know tons of African people.
	Why do I have to name something that's a part of my heritage?
	Why are you coming?
	Yes, you will name african.
	You sound stupid.
	You look as stupid as you sound, honestly.
	Are you going to name a tribe?
	I don't have to.
	Because you can't.
	And I don't have to.
	Imagine saying this is an intricate part of my favorite.
	I mean, you act like the fact that even fat people with hair don't even actually exist in other fucking societies and that they have so just name one.
	You don't have to name it to know that it exists.
	You want me to go grab my phone?
	I can go grab my phone and tell you right now.
	Yeah, oh, you'd have to look it up.
	It's so intricate to your heritage.
	I'm going to go grab my phone and tell you right now.
	I am storing so much information in my fucking head, it doesn't matter what if I remember.
	Oh, that's great.
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	Do you know what a burrito is?
	Of course we know what a burrito is.
	Yeah, great.
	You know that there's a maybe a part of a cultural heritage that a burrito is a part of.
	What would that cultural heritage be?
	Okay, and there's other foods that exist that I can't even fucking name.
	It doesn't matter that if I know whether they're the same.
	No, I know.
	A burrito, though.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	And it doesn't matter.
	Yeah, I know.
	So a burrito.
	It doesn't matter.
	A burrito, you would assume it's not a good idea.
	And it doesn't matter.
	I'm just going to spur it.
	And it doesn't matter.
	Because I don't have to.
	And he knows how to.
	Yeah.
	So.
	And I don't have to.
	You already sound fucking stupid.
	You sound like because I can't name something that doesn't exist.
	It's a single tribe.
	But it exists.
	And it doesn't matter if I.
	Yeah, but it's so important to your heritage.
	I don't want your answer because he wants us to dick ride and sound fucking stupid.
	He doesn't want you to answer.
	He just needs to.
	I don't think she was saying her piercings are because of her heritage.
	I think she was just saying that.
	I didn't say that.
	She said this is an intricate part of my heritage because the African tribes, I asked her to name one of them.
	I said that there's a lot of African tribes that do rambling here.
	It doesn't matter if I have to name one.
	Did the Aztecs fucking exist for you to say, like, oh, that there's like pyramids out in fucking Mexico?
	Like, shut the fuck up.
	Who built those?
	Who built those?
	Huh?
	Who built the pyramids?
	Which one?
	Did I not just say that?
	Why would I take this seriously?
	Why would I take a person who said that?
	Sorry, can you answer me that question?
	If you want me to answer a question, how about answering me a question about how I receive?
	You want to get an alien?
	You're a winker.
	We'll talk about who really built the pyramids.
	Like, an alien's right there, bitch.
	Like, it's just madness to me that this is so important to you.
	Cultural heritage that you don't know anything about.
	Because you can't name something specifically that it doesn't exist.
	Something specifically that what doesn't exist.
	Oh my god, are you that slow?
	What was the conversation that we were having this whole entire time?
	What was I saying this whole entire time?
	I was just like, what you said was there's a cultural heritage.
	Face jewelry.
	Hang on, let me finish.
	That's why you have to face it.
	You asked me a question.
	Do you not want the answer?
	Libby, Libby, I'm so sorry about oh, yeah, don't worry about it.
	That's why I didn't worry about it.
	That's why I didn't know.
	You were disruptive towards her, and now you're asking for the same respect.
	That's ridiculous.
	The answer is that.
	That's ridiculous.
	Okay, so I mean, you can keep that argument to yourself when trying to make people sound stupid, but at the end of the day, you sound stupid the more that you're trying to say that it doesn't exist because I can't name a single like tribe or society or blah, blah, blah.
	I have seen the pictures.
	I know that they exist.
	Just like, you know, like move on past it.
	We all like.
	So I just listened to what you said.
	We know that Drake talked to fucking kids, but like just because we don't have like everything right here, and I can't tell you all the fucking kids that he was talking about.
	Doesn't make any that doesn't exist.
	So anyway, so what you said was, you said that all of the face piercings in the wig were because you're still not going to let me finish.
	No, I'm not going to let you.
	You didn't let Libby finish and you didn't let a lot of people like finish.
	Why should I care?
	Like, please, I'll let you finish.
	Just explain to me why should I care?
	Great.
	What you said was that all the face jewelry in the wig was basically.
	I did not include my wig, so go back.
	Try it again.
	Thank you.
	I didn't include my wig.
	So you coming after my wig whenever I was talking about my piercings?
	Oh, try it again.
	So just your piercings.
	I'll correct the record.
	Your piercings were due to an African heritage, which you had a deep connection to because of African tribes.
	I said it's a part of my heritage because am I not African tribes?
	You can't name a just because I don't know my skepticism when you can't name a single story of slavery.
	It's so important to you.
	Are you stupid?
	Do you know the story of slavery and how a lot of slaves don't even know their own fucking tribe?
	They're still spurging.
	Do you know the story of slavery and how they don't know their own fucking tribe?
	Like, answer me that.
	I have to go.
	Are you done spurging now so that I can get away from you?
	Are you going to answer the question?
	Because it sounds stupid to me that you're going to try to tell me about how I don't know society, like my heritage and blah, blah, blah.
	Whenever we all know, and it's basic common knowledge that black people in America who didn't come directly from Africa who their families were brought here, that we don't know our fucking tribes and blah, blah, blah.
	But I do know, in fact, that there are tribes out there.
	You don't have to you, but you don't know a single tribe.
	Got it.
	Why are you acting like that information is so readily available?
	Like, I'm going to listen to Nick from Big Mouth.
	Like, shut up.
	Wait, it's not readily available.
	African tribes are not readily available.
	That is not what I am using.
	You're taking it in some weirdo.
	I bet it.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay, shut up.
	It doesn't seem like it's very important to you.
	Everybody, put your swords away for just a minute.
	Yeah, but I'm trying to finish it.
	I don't like that she finished without being filibustered.
	Wait, that's already finished without fear.
	What she said was this.
	Garrett Zachary, see, she's still filibustering.
	What she said was: the massive amount of facewear that I have is due to my deep cultural African connections to my tribe.
	Am I wrong?
	Then, when I asked her what tribe, she can't name a single African tribe.
	Not one of them.
	That's like absolutely women.
	Every fucking woman is a woman right now.
	Literally, I'll name your face.
	Like, you know, I'm like, controlling you.
	One second.
	All right, guys, check this out.
	Check it out.
	Look, I got to move it on.
	I got to move it on.
	Listen, it was good.
	It was entertaining.
	A little heated exchange.
	It was very good.
	It was the most you said all night.
	I love it.
	It was great.
	Thank you.
	It was good.
	I'm glad we got to see a different side of you.
	And, you know, I personally think Desmond's at half chub right now.
	Just kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding, Desmond.
	Oh, sorry.
	Was that correct?
	Sorry, it's hard.
	I'm a heat.
	I hate that a little bit.
	Hide that super.
	Which one?
	I don't see it.
	Anyways, guys, I'm going to.
	Yeah, we're just going to hide that one, Nick.
	So, okay, boys, light-hearted question, light-hearted question for the whole panel here.
	Let's say you meet this really cool guy.
	I want you to go into a dream world right now.
	Do I have a dream world sound?
	Hold on.
	Do I have a dream world sound?
	Brian Sushia, thank you.
	Thank you for the gifted memberships.
	Appreciate it.
	I don't have a dream world sound.
	How about this?
	No, that's not.
	Okay, dream world.
	You meet this guy.
	He's like, God.
	AD donated 119.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, AD.
	How does the panel feel about women in relationships having male friends?
	Do they think the fellas have ulterior motives?
	Let's get AD.
	I'll get right back into that.
	I got to do the dream world, though.
	Dream World, really quick.
	Hottest dude.
	You love him.
	No, okay, you don't love him.
	First date, he's your type.
	You like his personality.
	He has Riz.
	He's got charisma.
	Okay.
	Everything.
	Everything you want in a guy.
	You guys are about to hook up.
	About to hook up.
	And you're like, do you have a condom?
	And he's like, I got you, babe.
	And then he reaches into his pocket and wait, maybe hide the hide, Andrew, really quick.
	He reaches into his pocket and he's like, I got you, babe.
	And pulls out female pulls out a female condom.
	He's like, I got you.
	Boom.
	Wouldn't know what to do with that, honestly.
	And he's like, okay, go ahead.
	Really hot.
	And he's like, go ahead, Morgan.
	Really hot.
	Put that shit on.
	I see what it looks like to your job.
	I never put that shit on, Morgan.
	Don't open it up.
	Don't open it up.
	I can tell you from experience, it does not work.
	It will shift and da-da-da-da.
	Just use a regular condom on it.
	So, what would you do?
	What do you do?
	Sorry, what do you do?
	Or are you like, let's do it?
	Or.
	Okay, first off, I'm not getting with the guy on first date.
	Of course, of course.
	Like hypothetical, hypothetical.
	No, I guess not.
	I don't know what I don't even know what that is.
	Like second date?
	Second date's like chill?
	Like third date.
	Okay, okay.
	We're learning.
	A lot of time had to see how it works.
	Where'd you get it?
	Yeah, so like.
	Brian.
	You put that shit.
	You put that.
	Where'd you get it?
	How do you even have a sound?
	And now with this affiliate link.
	So, like, what, alien?
	What would you do?
	Would you use it?
	Would you laugh?
	I've used it before.
	Oh, you've used it?
	Yeah, and it shifted.
	So I'm never going to use that shit again because I have to go get a plan B afterwards.
	Yeah.
	I say that's pretty base, though.
	Yeah.
	If he whips that out, it's crazy.
	I would be curious as to why he bought that kind instead of the other.
	He's a gentleman.
	Maybe he was switching it up.
	Maybe he was switching it up a little bit.
	Oh my gosh.
	This can always lead to more questions for me.
	So what do you do?
	Do you use it?
	I laugh.
	Do you laugh?
	You dip, you walk out.
	Yup.
	Get the fuck out.
	He drives stick, bro.
	Get the fuck out.
	I don't give a shit.
	Get the fuck out.
	Okay, what do you do?
	No, don't use it.
	It looks you don't like to use protection.
	No, that looks sketchy.
	Why is this sketchy, bro?
	She even says sketchy.
	Oh, sorry.
	It's a little condom.
	Like I can catch it.
	You were asking me to throw it.
	And there's not really a bad thing.
	What about you?
	Are you down for the female condom?
	That's pretty cool.
	Like, that's really cool if he has that because I've never seen that before.
	I feel like he walked the brewery.
	I feel like I'm not sure.
	I've heard of them, but I've never seen them.
	I'm telling you, boys.
	That's cool.
	What about you?
	What do you think?
	I wouldn't sleep with you.
	Have you, in all your experience, have you seen a female condom?
	No, but it's close to a diaphragm.
	So they kind of based it on that.
	But even diaphragms are kind of iffy about pregnancy.
	But still, it's like if he had that in his pocket, I'd be like, player.
	So wouldn't make it.
	He's a player?
	Female, he's carrying around a female condom.
	This guy's a fucking player.
	Yes.
	Boom.
	Okay, what about you?
	What do you do?
	You're down?
	Oh, no.
	No, I was just wanting her.
	No, that thing looks weird.
	I'm not putting it in me.
	I'm sorry.
	Thank you.
	But like, you should have got that.
	You should have got like your own version.
	Like, I'll get mine.
	I don't want that thing.
	But thanks for trying.
	I guess.
	I guess.
	Selena, what do you think?
	Serena, sorry.
	I wouldn't use it, but I'd open it to see what it looks like.
	That's very difficult.
	No, but you got it.
	Here's the thing, right?
	Okay, let me add a little layer to this.
	You really've smashed.
	And you got it.
	I know, like, I know a lot of you out here doing the dirt without protection.
	Is there a reason why you were looking into my soul while you were saying that?
	What the fuck?
	You were like, I know.
	I was looking at everybody's soul.
	Okay.
	You didn't look at my soul.
	But he doesn't have a regular condom.
	The stores are closed.
	You can't.
	So it's like, you have to fuck with this or you can't fuck.
	Wait, why can't you fuck without it, though?
	Like, because we could go to a store tomorrow.
	No, but you're trying to smash that knife.
	So we're not trying to do it.
	Okay.
	This is an immediate crisis.
	So like you wouldn't use it, but this is all you got.
	I mean, like, but can I use all of that?
	I mean, look, it's okay.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	But you know how when a person, like, it's kind of like bias because you're like, oh, I really like this guy.
	Like, maybe I'll just, you know.
	Because it's kind of biased in a way.
	You're like forgiving him for weird shit.
	No, this is.
	Do you really like him?
	I don't want to put that weird thing.
	Pulled it out.
	I've been like, they love it.
	They think it's funny.
	Boom.
	It's funny.
	If I like it.
	It's funny.
	I want to sleep with you.
	I'd be like, this is so weird.
	Can you pull a regular condom out of your pocket?
	Serena.
	What do you get S C D?
	Did I get it right this time?
	Yes, you did.
	Okay, what do you think?
	Yeah, if I have an IUD, and I don't have an ID.
	In this hypothetical scenario, there's no condoms.
	Oh, let me.
	Okay, fine.
	Let me triple down on this.
	You don't have, you're not taking birth control, and you're ovulating.
	Oh, definitely no.
	I guess I, when we need to bang, like, I guess I'm using.
	I guess there's a first experience forever.
	I'm with STDs.
	Okay, what do you mean?
	I thought this protects STDs.
	I'm going to say I would just pass.
	I would pass on the night.
	There you go.
	Wait, that's fair.
	This thing doesn't protect against STDs?
	No, because there's no cover on him.
	What if he's carrying a banana?
	Kind of protects.
	Wait, it's about the same.
	It would be the same protection as well.
	No, because what I was saying earlier, like it will move because the guy is like throwing it off.
	Unless you hardly move when you're having sex, which was like, I had to go get a plan B after using something like that.
	Well, I'm going to say the novelty of it does not make that worth it.
	I thought I was reading.
	I was reading the thing.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Have you ever, like, do you ever strap up?
	Like, is this, do you have a couple of these?
	Oh, he's got more than a couple.
	So I see.
	Hey, don't talk about my Caucasian like that.
	He's Catholic.
	Andrew?
	No, I'm not a Catholic.
	Wait, I don't know where you ever got the idea I was a Catholic.
	Andrew, I'm going to make you a deal here.
	I'll give you three cups, but I'm also sending you home with one of these bad boys.
	For what?
	Shark anything you want.
	Water balloon?
	What does that newfangled gadget do?
	I've never seen one of them before.
	Oh, look.
	It was a first rapid.
	And Andrew doesn't know about condoms.
	Condoms.
	What are those?
	What are condoms?
	It's a D guy.
	What are those?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Where were we?
	Let's get back to some of the pre-show notes.
	Oh, wait.
	Just going around the table.
	Who considers himself a feminist, starting with Morgan's kind of just...
	If you want to answer Morgan, you can.
	But you're just kind of, you know, you're just kind of there.
	She's not real.
	She's not real?
	What?
	Yeah, she's not real.
	No, it was just a social answer.
	Are you going to let her talk to you that way, Morgan?
	It was just a joke.
	I don't know what's happening.
	You just said that about her already.
	Ah, he said, I'm just there.
	She said I'm not real, but same thing.
	There's a difference.
	Same difference.
	Are you a feminist?
	No.
	No.
	I've seen the hell that breaks loose on this show.
	I'm not answering that question.
	Wait, hold on.
	Hold on.
	What the hell?
	That's ensued.
	What?
	I have.
	What do you mean?
	I'm a Vietnam flashbacks.
	Vietnam.
	She's getting Vietnam flashbacks.
	That DMT trip was fucked up, okay?
	But you have the higher consciousness, though.
	I'm not.
	You should be able to transcend all of this feminist talk.
	She's having flashbacks of Vietnam, Agent Orange, fucking napalm.
	Napalm, bro, engulfed her in her DMT trip.
	Okay.
	So are you a feminist?
	Do it.
	Do it.
	Don't make me press the button.
	Do it.
	You made me press the button.
	Just.
	Now you have to wait 30 minutes while this plays.
	Why wouldn't you let podcast like this the whole time?
	Yesterday, you said tomorrow.
	Just thought.
	Do it!
	Make your dreams come true!
	Justin!
	It's going on very long.
	You should get to the point where anyone else would quit, and you're not going to stop there.
	No!
	What are you waiting for?
	Do it!
	Justin!
	Is that a ponytail?
	Do it!
	Yes, you can!
	I think I see it.
	Just do it!
	You're in a G-string.
	I am Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots.
	That's all that comes to mind whenever I see that guy.
	Sorry, bad joke.
	How would you describe or give a definition of that word?
	Well, it doesn't really matter what my definition is.
	What matters.
	I can give you a great definition.
	It's a rejection of patriarchy in patriarchy systems.
	Incorrect.
	Am I answering?
	No, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	How can somebody's definition be incorrect?
	I say that that was false.
	What's false about it?
	I don't think your definition is something that necessarily works.
	What's your definition of feminism?
	What?
	Well, my definition of feminism is seeing every human being as a person, as an equal.
	Oh, okay.
	So, Muslims are feminists?
	It's not like saying this is a movement.
	It's more like I see you as a human being and we're equal, and I see you as a human, and you're not lesser than me.
	So, let me ask you a question.
	Assuming that men think that they're, I don't know, greater than on the hierarchy than women, so they don't believe that you're equal, would that be patriarchal?
	Men being higher are on the hierarchy?
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	Do you think traditionally that men have been at the top of that hierarchy?
	Yes.
	And do you think that feminists were attacking those systems in order to make them equal?
	So, depending on the wave of feminism?
	Any wave.
	For sure, yeah.
	Okay, well, then feminism is a rejection of patriarchy and patriarchal systems, isn't it?
	No.
	I guess I'll have to give it to you.
	Yeah, I guess you will.
	Anyway, so back to where we were at before I was so rudely interrupted.
	Go ahead.
	The definition is a rejection of patriarchy in patriarchal systems.
	And you can see the feminist here agreed that that is the definition.
	Yeah, if you're going to reject a because I see it as if there's going to be a system to have a balance within that system and equality within that system, not just where the system is predominantly male-dominated or female-dominated, equal.
	Ah, so if it's equal and traditionally, men have been at the top of the hierarchy.
	If women wanted to equalize it, what would they have to be rejecting?
	Yeah, what you said, the patriarchy.
	Yeah, the patriarchy.
	So feminism is a rejection of patriarchy in patriarchal systems.
	Yes or no?
	Yeah.
	Great, then we're all on the same page with the definition of feminism.
	So let's just get around the table if we can.
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	I guess so, yes.
	Yeah.
	Into the link.
	I believe in feminism because I believe that a woman should have the right to make her own choices, especially with Birth and life and feminism, that whole movement is about women's rights.
	So, women weren't given the rights to vote.
	Women weren't given the rights to make decisions about their own bodies, and it was given to men who only a seahorse knows what it's like to be pregnant.
	So, feminism.
	So, what you're saying is men who are at the top of the hierarchy are being opposed by women who want to reject them at the top of the hierarchy.
	No, I don't want to reject men.
	I just want to own my own rights to make a decision.
	So, feminism.
	But what if men don't want you to?
	Well, maybe you don't, but some other men do.
	Yeah, what if men don't?
	I think for the men.
	Well, feminism is a movement for rights, just like the gay.
	Yeah, rights.
	But who are they appealing to for those rights?
	Who are they appealing to?
	The women?
	Yeah.
	The system.
	So who didn't give them those rights?
	And then after they appealed to that group, gave them those rights.
	Well, the men didn't give the women rights.
	It was just a system of because there's women in the House of Representatives.
	There's women in the Senate.
	Was there women in the Senate and the House of Representatives before women had rights?
	Yeah.
	I'm not sure, but there was a lot of women being in the right place.
	The answer is no, right?
	If women have no rights, how could they be in government?
	So, okay, so you're just saying that women stood up for themselves and said, we would like to have our own rights to make decisions.
	No, I'm saying that they appealed to men for the rights.
	So then it got labeled to be feminism, and we're not really against men, but for whatever reason, men were making a majority of the rules.
	So that would be called, if men are making the majority of the rules and they're at the top of the hierarchy, what would you call that?
	Imbalanced.
	Would you call it a patriarchy?
	I would call it imbalanced.
	It wouldn't be called a patriarchy?
	Not in my book.
	If it's imbalanced and men are at the top of that balance.
	So if it's imbalanced, we have a seesaw here.
	And when this side goes down, that's women here.
	And this side is men because it's imbalanced.
	So men are up here.
	It's not a word.
	Hang on, do we have a word that would describe this phenomenon of men up here and women here?
	What would you call that?
	An imbalance.
	Yeah, I know it's an imbalance, but is there another word?
	Is there another word you can use besides imbalance that would reference the men that were here?
	Whacked.
	A seesaw.
	Wax.
	A delusion.
	I don't know.
	There's lots of.
	Could the word patriarchy be used for?
	I think that's just your favorite word.
	So of course.
	I'm sorry.
	I want to figure out your word.
	If there's an imbalance of that.
	If you're going to reference an imbalance of power where men were at the top of a hierarchy, would patriarchy describe that phenomenon perfectly?
	No.
	Not for people.
	Oh, what word would?
	Well, for you, yes, but not for me.
	For me, for you.
	What word would?
	Well, equality.
	Equality from who?
	Who do you want to equal?
	It's not about being equal with a man.
	It's about a woman and a man coming together and sharing.
	Being equal.
	No, both having their rights to make decisions.
	So being equal with men?
	It's not about an equal.
	So if men have all the rights and women have no rights and you want to be equal, who do you want to be equal with?
	I want both of them to have rights to make decisions.
	Yeah, so men are here, let's say.
	Men are everywhere.
	Thank God.
	I know, you love that word.
	So you have patriotic ideas and thoughts and words.
	It's not patriotic.
	Listen, let's try again.
	Let's try again.
	Let's try again.
	I have a different way of saying that.
	If women are being oppressed, women being the monolith of all women, there's only two sects of human beings, women and men.
	That's all that exists.
	Women, men.
	If women, all women are being oppressed, who are they being oppressed by?
	There's not just men and women.
	There's the really?
	There's other.
	What are they?
	Are they the Laflutians?
	Who the fuck are the third?
	If there's not just men and women, who are Chillians?
	No, there's transgenders.
	Transgenders aren't men or women?
	They're a mix.
	They're a mix of men.
	They're both sexes.
	Oh.
	So thank God they came together.
	So you think that women were fighting for their rights against transgenders?
	No, it's not.
	Who are they fighting for their rights against?
	It's not against anyone.
	They just wanted their own rights.
	And you being a man, maybe you can't understand that concept that a woman wants to make her own decision about giving birth.
	About her own decision.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Women want to make their own decision about giving birth.
	And there's another group who aren't women who say, no, you can't.
	What would you classify that group as if you had to give them a name?
	Sick.
	Oh, my goodness.
	You wouldn't classify them as being men?
	Not all men are biased against women having rights.
	So there's a lot of men.
	Great.
	So then women never fought for their rights against men.
	Got it.
	Who did they fight for their rights against?
	Was it other women?
	Were women out there with ARs and they were like, yeah, fuck a bitch.
	You can't have your rights.
	Is that what happened?
	Like, tell me.
	There are women who don't want women to have their own rights.
	Yeah, do you think that feminism was an attack against women for oppressing women?
	Or do you think it was back against men because men were at the top of the hierarchy?
	Like, which one do you think is true?
	It's not an attack.
	It's women speaking up for themselves and saying, we'd like to have our rights to vote.
	We'd like to have our rights to make decisions.
	Yeah, so women, being all women, are speaking up because they want their rights.
	Who are they speaking up to?
	The world.
	Oh, the world.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Here, let me get everybody's answer on this.
	Are you a feminist?
	Brilliant, by the way.
	That was probably the best debate that I've had all evening.
	The answer is obvious.
	You know it's obvious.
	But instead of just conceding so that we can have the conversation, it's far easier for you to project into my mind using your dolphin technology in order to convince me that feminism was really all about women oppressing women.
	Brilliant stuff.
	I am impressed.
	One day I hope that I can project like you can my thoughts into other people's life.
	I hope your wife just smothers you with love.
	She's watching right now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, my wife does smother me with love.
	And then does he smother you with love?
	She gets celibate for nine years.
	Nine years, bro.
	Don't, that's a sensitive subject, bro.
	I mean, that's.
	Well, that sucks.
	That sucks.
	My wife does smother.
	That's a low-quality person.
	It's a choice called feminism.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah, I know, but you're celibate just because you're a feminist.
	Like my wife did, you'd have somebody cute to cuddle with.
	Wait, night.
	This is the most basic.
	Wait, did you?
	I don't know if you guys cut onto this.
	What she just said is the most base thing ever.
	So I said that she's been celibate for nine years, and she's like, yeah, it's called feminism.
	That's how it works, bro.
	These feminists be celibate.
	No, it's a choice.
	So be with the right man.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	Why do I have the female condom now?
	You threw it down on your chair when you were with that.
	So hold on.
	Yeah, going around the table.
	You got to move it on.
	I'm sorry.
	I got to move it on a little bit.
	Yeah, you know, feminine.
	Are you?
	Okay, all right.
	Are you feminist?
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't know if we can do it.
	No, you did.
	I said, yeah.
	And then, yes.
	I'm going to say, I'm a feminist and a masculinist.
	I'm both.
	And I don't feel like those are mutually exclusive.
	I feel like if a female is doing the same job, she should be rewarded with the same pay.
	And I also believe that women should be able to make decisions.
	And I'm also a masculinist.
	I respect men and the role that they have in our society.
	I believe it's a very important role and it's needed.
	And a healthy masculinity is a very important thing.
	I agree.
	Amen.
	If you had to define feminism, what would you define it as?
	Like I just did.
	I'm not about tearing down patriarchy or any of the extremes of the feminist activists and things like that.
	I just believe that women should be treated fairly.
	And like, for instance, let me give you an example.
	As equals?
	No, they're not equal.
	Let me give you an example.
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	I didn't hear your answer.
	Let me continue.
	Yeah, I know.
	Can you just say that?
	I'll circle back to that.
	Yeah, I'll circle back to that.
	She said they're not equal.
	Yeah, I said they're not.
	So my grandmother, when she passed away, had a lot of paperwork, as old people do.
	And going through her paperwork, I found a letter from the bank.
	This was in the 1960s.
	She was the sole breadwinner.
	My grandfather.
	I thought it's going to be my grandma couldn't have a bank account argument.
	Here we go.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Was that a hot mic?
	Whatever.
	So, whatever is the name of the show.
	So, anyway, my grandfather was terminally ill with cancer.
	And so, she was supporting him and herself.
	And she worked at the hospital.
	She was a nurse, like I was telling you.
	And so, yeah, she had to get his signature to agree that she could open a checking account to put her own paychecks in so that she could pay the bills and everything.
	So, my grandma couldn't do that.
	She was in hospice and, you know, whatever.
	So, I just feel like that that's really unnecessary, that type of thing.
	And I'm not, you know, gonna pretend that that's okay.
	How much debt did your grandma die with?
	How much debt?
	Yeah.
	She had no debt.
	Yeah, that's right.
	You know why she had no debt?
	Because she worked her tail off and she saved her.
	No, it's because men incurred all the debt.
	Okay.
	In your grandma's day, men incurred all the debt of the wife because they were the head of the household.
	No, this is the truth.
	You may not like it, but this is what's actually true.
	Women could not incur debt if their husbands incurred all of their debt.
	This was the primary argument against the suffragettes from the anti-suffragettes, of which there were many more than there were suffragettes.
	That's why your grandma died with no debt because her husband incurred all of it.
	And so why you say, well, it seems unnecessary.
	She didn't have a bank account.
	Well, that's great.
	Maybe she didn't, but she also didn't have any debt.
	And right now, most women are laden with debt.
	Like, if I asked you honestly, an honest question to you, right now, how much debt do you have?
	Is it significant?
	Is it moderate?
	Is it zero?
	You personally likely have debt.
	And that never would have happened in your grandma's era.
	Brian?
	I'm putting this fucking rugby ball in the fucking rear naked choke, boys.
	What?
	Why are you, what?
	Oh, it sounded like you wanted to say something.
	Yeah, I thought so.
	No, it's just fucking this rugby ball.
	Up.
	Yeah.
	He's lost it, guys.
	Hold on to your.
	Okay.
	So I'm just not curious if you can answer to that.
	Do you think that women in debt and modernity is better than a system where men incurred their husbands incurred all the debt?
	Well, that was the first question you asked right just now, so it wasn't that I was not answering it.
	But, you know, I, like I said, I have my views and I explained what those were.
	So.
	Okay.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Is that an answer to my question?
	I don't have to answer your question.
	She doesn't want to.
	So you just are going to refuse to answer any of the questions that I ask you.
	So what you can do is you can go into a long, misleading diatribe again, like you did with the Gospels, and then say, well, wait a second.
	Wait a second.
	See, yeah, grandma died with no debt.
	And when I asked you, wasn't that a preferable system to what we have right now?
	Well, I have no comment.
	Why would we care about debt out of all the other bangers that are going to be awesome?
	I'm going to bring it to something else.
	But all of you who said you're feminists, said you have a question.
	Do you think women should be drafted?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	So the women who said they're feminists.
	And to the mic.
	You are going to always hate my answers.
	So, first of all, some people might not have all the information to answer.
	Just let her answer.
	Well, okay, so obviously we need a military just in case we go to war.
	Yeah, there's a volunteer military.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	And then the draft, just in case we need to send extra troops to war.
	I don't know.
	Wait, but didn't you say that feminism is one of you two who said feminism is about equality, right?
	I mean, I would say yes if that was the case.
	If you want to go like 100% follow equality, then you'd say yes.
	But like why the hesitation with the answer?
	Because it's just on that, so number one, men are the ones that chose for men to go to war.
	Well, that's okay.
	Let's assume that we had a female president.
	Even easier.
	Let's just grant that you're right.
	Let's say that a nation state, an evil nation state of evil men, like communists, for instance, decided to attack a sovereign nation because they wanted their resources in this and that.
	And the men of that nation defended that nation against those evil men.
	Is that them then deciding to go to war, or are they going to war because war was forced upon them?
	No, I wasn't saying in that context.
	I was saying men chose for men to be drafted in the U.S. and not choosing women to be drafted as well.
	So?
	So I'm saying you guys did, you guys put down yourself.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So wait, let me think that if previous generations laid down an unjust policy, that that means that modern generations, if they're striving for equality, would not try to repeal such a policy?
	Good answer.
	No, I get that.
	The thing is, I think that here's it, if I can say this real quick and no one interrupts.
	I think that some people don't have all the information to things and don't know what to answer because you're going to do like a gotcha like bam.
	Like you're going to go here with this and I'm going to say this.
	That's why some people don't want to answer because they don't know where you're coming from.
	So if all the information is laid out, so unless you can predict whatever my logical response is going to be, you're following the position because it could be wrong.
	I'm saying that we know what you're like.
	You're literally doing this all night.
	Yeah, so here's what I do.
	I haven't heard any of your arguments.
	I don't know any of you.
	You could have bedazzled me, razzled me, completely defeated every single argument that I had.
	The thing is, is that unfortunately, you're predictable.
	And the reason that you're predictable is because most women in modernity are in PCs who just regurgitate what they've heard.
	That's the original thought.
	You would have completely obliterated me.
	If you're terrified to give a position because you're afraid I'm going to blow it out, you should really rethink your positions.
	Maybe you should just talk to people like Kaiser and say when you're in the middle of the day, hold on.
	Let me actually move it forward.
	Your debate from coming like crazy.
	Why are you so aggressive?
	Chill.
	Hold on.
	Let me just map it.
	It's not aggression for me to point out.
	What have I actually said?
	Which is aggressive.
	I'm trying to make God which is aggressive.
	But y'all just keep talking about the medicine.
	Andrew, go, Brian.
	Okay, all right.
	So, okay.
	Let's get the answers from everybody.
	Okay, feminists.
	So do you actually want to answer the question?
	To the draft?
	Yeah, let me get everybody's answers before either of us.
	So my answer was, I don't know.
	Okay.
	I'll stick with that.
	Okay.
	What's your answer?
	So should women be drafted under this context?
	What context?
	There's no context.
	Like in using logic and saying that it's equal and that means women are.
	Okay, here's the context.
	Men are subject to the draft.
	Women aren't.
	Should women be subject to the draft?
	So saying that feminism is equality, you would say, but I'm just saying, here's my anecdote real quick.
	I think that rich people's children should be drafted first and foremost because it's a rich man's war and that's we send poor people to war, so it should be rich people's children, which are like the senators of the fucking house and rest.
	Okay.
	That's my argument.
	Thank you.
	Wait.
	Wait, wait, I gotta.
	I gotta get into this incoherency, Brian.
	All right, you gotta let everybody else answer.
	Okay.
	I don't believe in the draft.
	Okay, but we do have a draft, assuming that the draft will never be gotten rid of.
	Should women be drafted?
	Well, kind of what they brought up is men design the draft.
	It's not really my feminism point isn't about equality.
	Men design the draft.
	Okay.
	What does that have?
	One, what does that have to do with anything at all?
	A lot because the men didn't want to.
	You don't think if women were ru.
	Let's just say we elected to every single country in the world.
	We just elected all women into power.
	You don't think that there, you think there would just be peace?
	Yes.
	You think it would just be peace?
	There would not be war?
	What if I told you if they actually did an analysis of queens, monarchs, throughout history, and they found that queens were more likely to wage war than kings?
	That's hard for me to believe.
	And under Andrew's kind of way of, can you name a few queens?
	I don't know off the top of my head, but there's, I could, we could pull up the study if you doubt it, Nick.
	No, I'm not a queen study.
	I just think that a lot of people say Andrew can name some of the queens.
	Wait, I just think some of the queens were in response to defending their country from attacks.
	So it wasn't some of the things that they were wars of aggression.
	They didn't want to go to war.
	They were responding in protecting the wars.
	And protecting sovereign nations.
	Wait, but hold on.
	Not they were attacked.
	They attacked.
	Wait, but hold on.
	When I think about Queen Elizabeth and even like the Belgium queen, they were actually trying to protect their countries.
	And same with Queen Elizabeth.
	I mean, there were a few Queen Elizabeths.
	Who is Queen Elizabeth trying to protect her country from?
	From the other countries that were trying to protect them.
	Yeah, what was the other country called?
	Which time?
	Which time, Andrew?
	The first time.
	The first time, well, it was from the Germans.
	Well, no, that was the second time.
	The first time was...
	Are you talking about the most recent monarch?
	No.
	No, no, the one before.
	The one before.
	Well, yeah, I know, but like the one before, I think, was like Prussia.
	No, no, not her.
	The one before.
	It was before.
	Wait.
	And then there was like Scotland.
	Wait, the Queen of England.
	The one who just recently passed away.
	To Queen Elizabeth.
	No, I'm pretty sure the father.
	Didn't the father pass away and then she...
	There was another...
	Wait, was it the Queen?
	And then the dad, and then there were Queen Elizabeth.
	Oh, so you're saying like back in the 1800s?
	I'm not sure exactly the years, but there was a queen who was trying to protect and was like through Scotland and then France and then all these different countries and then Prussia were trying to invade her country.
	So she was.
	You're talking about Elizabeth II?
	No, no, no.
	Yeah, I was right.
	Her predecessor was George VI.
	So there was not king, queen, and then the queen that just reigned.
	Yeah, I think her predecessor was George VI.
	I was making certain observations about queens trying to protect their kingdom.
	But in any conflict, there's the belligerent, there's the aggressor, and I guess the, I mean, well, military conflicts are not that black and white.
	But if there were two kings, there would be a king who he's being aggressed upon if we're kind of looking at this very simply.
	I'm just saying on the whole, women and queens, their job is to protect their country, right?
	And so they were doing it in defense, not creating wars like a majority of men rule.
	Okay, so you're right.
	I should do.
	So back to the draft.
	Yeah, so the question should not be drafted because men.
	No, I just, I don't believe in the draft.
	Neither men.
	I believe both should have the choice whether or not they want to fight.
	Okay, that's right.
	That's totally fair.
	I just got to ask a quick follow-up.
	If your country is attacked by a sovereign nation, Who should defend it?
	People that want to fight.
	Yeah, yeah, that's what men should.
	Be able to institute a draft.
	No, I don't believe in the draft.
	I believe that a man and a woman should make a choice about whether or not they want to fight.
	And actually, women are better at shooting a gun and bows and arrows.
	Yes, they are.
	No, they're not.
	Based on what?
	Where did you come up with this?
	You just, is your source I just made it up?
	I was trained in shooting guns, and I was better.
	I was trained in shooting guns too.
	Better than the menu.
	No, better than all the women who were around.
	Andrew Manning, I gotta know.
	No, Andrew.
	You did not.
	Well, hold on, hold on.
	You better, I don't think you heard that.
	Say it one more time.
	About what?
	Better than the men.
	No, no.
	A Navy SEAL trained me how to shoot a gun for the first time.
	No, for the first time, I shot better than him.
	And I shot all the targets.
	Your first time you shot better than your instructor?
	Yes.
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	They said women.
	Just a very quick one.
	Just a very quick cut-in.
	What was the type of gun you fired?
	I shot a 45 Magnum.
	I shot a 45 Magnum.
	Yeah, and then I shot two other guns.
	What was the two other guns?
	I forget.
	It was when I was in college at UCSB.
	Don't Magnum.
	That's the first time I've ever heard of a 45 Magnum.
	Yeah.
	Andrew.
	Was it a handgun or a rifle or an SMG?
	What was it?
	I don't remember.
	It was just three different guns.
	And the last one had really long or was it short?
	Oh, stop.
	Wait, was it like this?
	Now you're making a reference to something else.
	Well, no, no, I'm just asking you.
	If you're so skilled, a Navy SEAL taught you how to shoot a 45 Magnum.
	It was like a gun that was like this.
	There was a 22.
	There was the last gun had quite a kick.
	And so I know it was like a 45 million gun.
	Okay, let me get everybody's answers on this.
	Should women be drafted?
	Do I want to be drafted?
	No.
	Should they be drafted?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, I think that there should be equality of opportunity, but not equality of outcome.
	So, I mean, I personally think that if women are going to want to be treated as equals, then yes, they should be drafted.
	And that's only fair.
	But I also like how some other countries do it where it's mandatory for like a year or two years for males and females, because I feel like that goes across all the socioeconomic levels.
	And some people are not going to be able to skip out on it and just leave the burden of protection to everybody else's kids.
	And especially the lawmakers, you know, I think they would be less likely to enter into trivial things if they knew their kids were also being impacted by that decision, you know.
	But to go just to the question you asked, if women want to be treated as equals, then yes, they should be drafted.
	That's good.
	I think women should be drafted.
	In fact, I think equity would dictate that for the next thousand years, only women fight in wars and only women are drafted.
	That's fair.
	That's equity.
	That would be equitable.
	You know, for the thousands of years, men were the ones fighting in the war.
	I think it's fair.
	It's equity.
	That's equity.
	I don't even believe.
	I don't believe in equality.
	I believe in equity, okay?
	I believe in equity.
	Get out of here with this equality shit.
	Okay?
	Anyways.
	Hold on, let me get these chats.
	Let me get these chats and we can finish.
	AD donated $199.
	How does the panel feel about women in relationships having male friends?
	Do they think the fellows have ulterior motives?
	Starting with Morgan.
	M-Dog, you got this.
	Wait, what?
	What's the question?
	How does it feel?
	Like, if I had a male friend?
	Yeah.
	Like, is that disrespectful?
	Disrespectful, okay?
	So, like, this is asking if you're in a relationship and you have male friends, or is this like you have a relationship with males?
	You know what I mean?
	So, the question in the male friendships.
	In relationships, having male friends.
	I don't think it's disrespectful.
	Honestly, I would freaking break up with someone because my best friend is a male.
	So if they tell me I can't be friends with him, I'm not doing it.
	Disrespect.
	Okay.
	I think, I mean, I have two very, I have two friends that are male that are very close to me, and I've known them since before I was in my relationship.
	And I don't.
	And we all hang out in friend groups.
	I almost fell down, guys.
	They're friends with all of us in our friend group, and we all hang out together as a group and stuff like that.
	Okay.
	I need quick answers if you can.
	Sorry.
	It's not the same thing.
	But the question at the end was: do they have alternative motives?
	And I don't, I think guy friends, at least my guy friends.
	On the mic.
	My guy friends, they don't have alternative motives.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	He can have girlfriends and I can have boyfriends.
	Okay.
	I think it's fine.
	I think it's fine if both people have set up boundaries with each other about, you know, is he going to have female friends?
	Is she going to have male friends?
	And what are the boundaries for that?
	Then, you know, then it should be fine as long as you stay in the boundaries.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have.
	Morgan, can you read this one?
	Andrew, claim your args are not our arguments are non-secular.
	What are your morals based on regarding women and women then?
	U.S. Senate plus House R?
	All I have to do is give you a preference.
	If all I give you is a secular argument, meaning nothing grounded inside of anything which is religious, all I need to do is give you a preference, and is every bit as valid as any preference you give me.
	All right.
	Thank you for that, Andrew.
	Joe Murphy, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Please define the Western feminism is for everyone.
	It's highly unlikely that these women have a specific or a historical reference to what the feminist movement was.
	50-50 was not, is hitting a brick wall.
	All right.
	Thank you, Joe Murphy.
	Please define what Western feminism is for everyone.
	Is there really a difference between Western feminism and can I answer that?
	Okay.
	Yes, because Western feminism is equality in a so yeah, there's like a couple different definitions of feminism depending on where we're at in the world.
	So like Western feminism is the idea of like equality within the sexes.
	And then Another type would be like traditional feminism where, like you take on traditional roles, like the male would take on a male role, women take on women roles, and like that's a traditional feminism and like, keep that what?
	And then there's, there's another one, I forget, but yeah, there's a couple different ones.
	So Western, obviously it doesn't encompass.
	Wait, let me ask you a question.
	So under traditional feminism, you said, would the men and the women adhere to traditional gender roles?
	Yes, okay.
	So then under traditional feminism, it would be frowned upon for a woman to opt out of her traditional gender roles, aka getting married and having children.
	So yeah, it's encouraged to like um, to embrace uh, feminine roles.
	So I mean, so yeah, it would be submissive to her husband yeah, so then what would be the feminist component of it's?
	Just like an idea.
	I think that's just the definition.
	I think it's just like the idea to keep um, keep those roles.
	I think that's just what that that is.
	Um, i've never heard that before, but uh okay yeah, wouldn't that just not be feminism?
	Well, it's the definition.
	So I would ask the scholars or something I don't know.
	So, what form?
	Okay, feminism's about equality.
	Where is the?
	I mean, what's the?
	It's just like ensuring that those, because it's like the belief that like, women bring a certain value, men bring a certain value, so it's just keeping those roles in.
	All right okay, that's uh, I don't think i'm gonna bite on that one.
	But there's also like um, there's intersectional feminism, where that's more of what I believe in, because it's like the belief that like uh, certain women have different disparities in other women, like the, the different levels of that.
	So like, minority women have different yeah, struggles.
	What's the comparison between Asian women and white women?
	Like struggle yeah, which one?
	Which one has it?
	I guess, worse in your, from your purview, from my purview, would be different from someone else's.
	What?
	Because my definition of feminism is different yeah, but intersectional feminine feminism is the analysis of these differences yeah, so then that's your analysis.
	In that definition it would be.
	It's just the belief that like, some women have it worse and to like, acknowledge that and that helps put an eye on that, especially in studies and stuff, a lot of white women get they're, they're studied way more than black women or Asian women.
	But that's just um, that's just intersectionality period, right?
	So intersectionality is the intergroup dynamics, and you're looking at the intergroup dynamics to see which ones are more oppressed than other groups or which ones fare better.
	So that wouldn't even be specifically feminism, that would just be intersectionality, right.
	Yeah, within the branch of feminism yeah well well, it wouldn't even be a A branch of faith.
	It would just be intersectionalism, right?
	Okay, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm going to move it on a little bit.
	We'll come back to feminism a little bit later on.
	But Alyssa, you said you had some wild stories of this ex-I was dating going crazy on my friends.
	He was abusive.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	So I don't even know which one to tell.
	This feels like weird timing for this, but I'm just trying to get through all my appreciation.
	Okay, maybe I'll do like the one funny one.
	So this was like years ago.
	We were in high school and we were like friends with these two older guys.
	One ended up getting into a relationship with I did later on.
	Big mistake, not good.
	But we thought these boys were our friends and they were older than us and we were like, this is pretty cool.
	I'm getting attention from older guys.
	And we're like, sleepover.
	One night, okay.
	He's there the next night.
	Okay.
	We go on vacation.
	We go down to my cousin's house.
	He leaves since we're not home.
	And then it turns out the police ended up coming to my house because he was cutting my window screens, all of them in the backyard.
	And it turns out he was sleeping in my doll playhouse in the basement.
	The 17-year-old man was storing suits and court documents and uneaten food, living in my dollhouse in the basement.
	And so for how long?
	Wait, were you dating this guy?
	No, he just, well, we just thought he was our friend.
	She was dating his brother.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, and then I have a story that goes into that, but I just didn't.
	How long was he doing?
	I don't actually know.
	I don't really know.
	I want to say we were down there for like a week, so I don't know.
	Maybe he just slept in there while we were while you were at the vacation.
	He was still at home.
	Yeah, but my parents were still at home, though.
	So it was kind of weird.
	You said you noticed a lot of negative views or language towards the women on the show that you don't feel is necessary.
	Was there anything in specific?
	That was just something I brought up, like, I think a little earlier, too.
	It was just, well, I slightly touched on it.
	I just feel like the direction that we have gone in now seems more like open, friendly, talkative.
	Like we can discuss.
	And I feel like sometimes in the podcast, they can get a little more just kind of, we're not talking anymore.
	We're just kind of yelling at each other and nobody's vibing and just we're trying to debate, but it's not really happening.
	And I just see like, I guess, I don't know, previous videos that I've just seen.
	Give me one example.
	I don't know.
	I really don't watch your videos like enough to provide, I think, a really good example for you.
	I've just seen a lot of the clips just to kind of prepare for the show, but I've just seen that there seems to be some negativity towards women in general.
	We have to provide an example.
	I know, I don't, but if you go back and watch or other people, but that's really all I can give just a brief bit of pushback.
	So when you're having an argument with somebody, they're not going to agree with you.
	And sometimes you may have a position which sounds fucking stupid.
	I'm just me being totally honest.
	Sometimes you may have a position which sounds completely fucking stupid and idiotic.
	And if that is so, and the other person points this out and you're forced to agree, what happens is that's very uncomfortable for people.
	What this is called is cognitive dissonance.
	It's a thing which happens with many, many people when they get into arguments.
	They engage in cognitive dissonance.
	Once they do that, they almost shut down.
	They feel like they're being assaulted, insulted, destroyed, you know, whatever you want to kind of label it because they have to face their kind of own incoherence.
	And so I think what happens often is people will make really bad arguments.
	And when they have to face the outcome of what that actually entails, they get really upset.
	And instead of saying, wait, maybe I'm just wrong or I haven't thought this through or there's something, you know, there's some entailment here, which I haven't thought through, they instead blame the person who pointed it out.
	I think that I definitely see that for sure.
	I'm not trying to be like, oh, you guys are just women haters and bring us on all here.
	I just mean that I feel like sometimes when you're asking the questions like individually, like not to bring up body count again, but like the body count questions, like I feel like during those, it seems to be like, I don't know, like there's just the conversations between, like they don't seem to be friendly anymore.
	It doesn't seem to be like for argument's sake or anything like that.
	Well, I just mean like I understand that actually.
	What I think happens, because I've been on the show like many, many, many times.
	I have seen.
	And so I've seen this, I've seen this kind of go around time and time and time again.
	So I have some good insight here.
	What happens is the frustration, think about it from the other end.
	So juxtapose yourself, put yourself in my shoes or in Brian's shoes or any other men who are sitting there.
	If they feel like they're being lied to, they feel like, wait a second, there's no possible way you're telling me the truth right now.
	How can a woman, so like, for instance, I've had a 600-pound chick, maybe she wasn't that heavy, but something close to it, say to me, I'm a 10 out of 10.
	I'm on par with Scarlett Johansson.
	There's no possible way she actually believed that.
	And when pushed, it was very obvious that she didn't, but doubled down on the lie.
	So if you have people that you're trying to have a good faith discussion with who are literally lying to you and you know they're lying to you, you point the lie out and they still double down on it.
	How can you even engage in good faith at that point?
	Well, I would say that, I guess specifically to that, like maybe she's not arguing like at that point, doubling, like you're saying she's doubling down on the fact that she's as hot as Scarlett Johansson.
	Maybe she's not so much doubling down on that, but she is like just feeling insecure.
	And so that's like what's going on.
	Like she's not trying to lie to you.
	I agree.
	Like what I mean, like she's not trying to lie.
	I totally agree.
	I'm going to tell you she looks like Scarlett Johansson.
	Like she knows that.
	Right, right.
	I totally agree with you that at that point, she feels like she's confronting her own cognitive dissonance and it's painful and she doesn't want to deal with it.
	I get all that.
	But if honesty leaves the discussion, so earlier I asked this very basic question on body count.
	Not on body count, but I'm sorry, on looks, one to ten on looks.
	And I said, if you had a thousand people who rated you, what do you think their collective answer would be?
	Now you tell me, just me and you.
	Do you think that people were actually honest with me?
	I think that, I mean, yeah, people feel good about themselves.
	And I don't think that they were giving easy, like easy answers of just purely like their looks.
	Like they want to feel good about themselves.
	They're factoring in their personality.
	And they are all hot.
	So they should all feel like they all are 10.
	Are they all hot?
	I think they're all hot and they are all tens.
	Is that true?
	Yeah.
	Everyone's hot and beautiful in their own way.
	So then let me ask you this.
	If you're in the truth-telling mood, can you tell me who the hottest woman in the studio is according to you?
	I don't like to do that because I don't like to compare.
	No, like I don't like to compare women's looks to other women's.
	I just feel like that's mean and other women do.
	So without saying out loud who you think the hottest woman in the room is, can you tell me at least this?
	That in your head, you do think that there are some women in the room who are prettier than others.
	But that also would be coming down to my personal perspective.
	And it's not like, and like that would be like, I'm not sitting here trying to judge women and be like, oh, is she cuter than that?
	I'm not saying you are.
	I know, but I mean, that's not what's going in my head.
	Like, when I'm looking at all these women and hearing them talk about, like, are they a 10?
	Are they an 8?
	Like, I'm not being like, oh, well, should she have really said that?
	I mean, look at her compared to her.
	Like, that never runs through my mind.
	Like, so I just, I don't, I don't put women in.
	Yeah, okay.
	Wait, sorry, Angela.
	I do.
	I do just want to wrap up very quickly with this last question.
	Okay, last question.
	Can you tell me, though, in your brain at least, you think there are some women in the room who are prettier than other women in the room?
	I mean, like, yes, but that doesn't mean that because one woman is prettier in one aspect, that the other can't have just as pretty qualities in, like, other, like, now you understand why we don't feel like people are being honest with us.
	Well, it's because people are being honest, but they're also not telling their whole, yeah, to different degrees.
	Like, you know what a lie of omission is settings, and I'm sorry, say that again?
	A lie of omission.
	Yeah, but that's not really what isn't it really what is going on?
	It's a lie of omission, right?
	No, because like enough that you know that there's prettier girls in that room, or at least that you think some girls in the room are prettier than other girls.
	But the reason you refuse to actually say what's objectively true is because you don't want to risk insult.
	No, it's not.
	That's fair.
	That's fair, but you're still omitting the information on purpose, right?
	To people.
	Like, it's not up for me to tell her how she should be defined by me.
	Like, I'm not, I would never like.
	Sorry.
	Sidetracked.
	Can I make an anecdote on that?
	I think it might come from like you're saying in the way of you don't want to necessarily answer the question because it's not of value.
	Like he's trying to get you to answer this question, but it's like you are trying to get to a different point.
	It's not really a value to answer that question.
	Like it's like trying to understand value.
	Why is that question relevant?
	I understand what you're saying.
	You're saying, look, there's no value add from our end on answering this question.
	It's just either going to make us look bad or make somebody else look bad.
	This type of thing.
	I get that.
	But just so you understand, if you're going to have open, honest dialogue, you're going to have to risk insulting.
	You're going to have to risk being insulted.
	I don't, yeah, it's really actually going to be honest, and that's the point.
	You guys can come right back to this, but Dove has a dolphin to go take care of.
	I want to get through her pre-show notes quickly here so that she has a dolphin.
	She's got to take care.
	She's got to leave.
	So she was about to leave, but I said, hey, stay a few more minutes so I can get through her notes.
	Dove, you said accidentally you called a private number of a well-known entrepreneur and then got invited on this trip to Morocco where he was meeting the Moroccan prince and king for business and then you dated over that long week-long trip as well as I became his nursemaid when he got sick going out onto the streets of Casablanca to find and buy his medicine.
	Yes.
	That was the story.
	Yes.
	Oh, is there anything else?
	Yeah, it was pretty wild.
	I guess it was telepathic.
	Okay.
	But not that I even was aware of it.
	All of a sudden I called this number and it was the same person that I sat next to the plane with, but I didn't have his number because I used to be super shy.
	And then he says, I need you.
	Can you come to Morocco and help me work?
	So, and then I said yes.
	And I flew from Colorado to, because at the time I was living in Aspen working for John Denver during a couple summers.
	Okay.
	Were you involved in a relationship with this person?
	Yes.
	For a week.
	And he flew you out?
	Hmm?
	And he flew you out?
	Yes, and in another plane, he went in his private plane.
	And then I got picked up by the chauffeur.
	We even went.
	Wait, how old were you when this, how long ago?
	Very young.
	Very young?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, when I, I guess I was your ages.
	Where's all the chicks like trying to fly dudes out?
	I've actually had a few.
	I actually heard of a comedian doing that recently.
	I forget her name.
	You mean Ellen?
	Nikki Glazer.
	Could have been Nikki Glazer.
	Anyways, no, it wasn't it Brittany Glasgow.
	You said Brittany Broski, yeah.
	From years, and this is the question is, any dating topics takes you want to speak on?
	You said from years of animal communications with wild animals and some domestic, my angles are on tips for dating, red flags, deal breakers, and gender roles.
	I was a little confused there.
	So are you kind of like, you got tips for dating and red flags and deal breakers and gender roles because of the animal communications with wild animals?
	Well, I just think that people relate to animals in a way that people have animal traits.
	Yeah.
	Like once I was at a film festival and people were saying, what animal do I look like?
	And I would just, without thinking, saying, oh, you're a dog, polar bear, and stuff.
	And people just said, oh my God, he does have traits.
	Or a wife would say, he actually acts like a dog.
	What about Maddie?
	Like, what kind of animal is she?
	Maddie?
	Yeah, right here.
	I don't know.
	I haven't.
	No, just looking at her.
	She's like a gazelle.
	A gazelle?
	Like a lizard?
	No, no.
	No, a gazelle is a deer, but a really like a dove.
	I see a tripwong.
	Yeah, I was going to say squirrel.
	Yeah, and then sometimes people have two animals.
	So she's a squirrel and a gazelle.
	She's a squirrel.
	Well, aren't people animals?
	She's a gazelle.
	They are.
	They're part of the animal kingdom.
	But I just believe.
	So aren't you anthropomorphizing?
	So you're taking traits of human beings and mapping them onto animals?
	I think that, like Indigenous people, they valued the connection with wild animals and animals having attribution spirits where they help guide them in their life.
	And I believe all animals are here on earth as helpmates.
	To take a Christian story.
	Do you believe that?
	To take a Christian story.
	Can I please finish?
	To take a Christian story.
	Well, I just wanted to ask a clarifying question.
	Like Noah's Ark.
	Why were all the animals on the ark and only a few humans?
	Because I felt like God was saying, you humans are going to need a lot of help.
	And I'm going to make sure all the animals are here on earth to help you.
	So the animals are there to serve humans?
	Not so much serve, be our helpmates.
	It's different.
	Well, that's kind of weird, right?
	Spirit guides, helpmates?
	It seems like you're being very selective biblically about what you think animals are there for.
	Are animals equals with us according to the Bible, or are they lesser than us according to the Bible?
	Well, if we got into Scripture, which I don't in this podcast.
	Then why did you bring up Noah's Ark?
	It's like, ask the animals and they will teach you.
	Yeah, but you just brought up Noah's Ark.
	Speak to the birds and they will tell you.
	So there's actually scripture about talking with animals.
	What kind of animal is Morgan?
	Morgan, she's a horse.
	Damn, bro, you're kind of throwing her under the butt.
	How you doing?
	Horses are great.
	Horses are great.
	They are chest.
	Yeah, that's like a broader.
	She's like a Mustang.
	But is she like a mini horse?
	Is she a mini horse or is she like a Mustang?
	Yeah, an American horse.
	She's wild and free.
	What?
	Is she a Clydesdale?
	No.
	Not a Clydesdale.
	But she is a Mustang.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, but they have a beautiful skin.
	What color Mustang?
	Because she doesn't have to say anything, but her presence is like large.
	Because are you a vegan by chance?
	Of course.
	Oh, she is.
	So you equate animals.
	I just want to make sure I get this right.
	Do you consider animals to have the same moral considerations as human beings?
	Almost better.
	They are more compassionate, they're kinder.
	When you ask them a question, instead of calling someone an alcoholic, they'll say that person is confused.
	Do you have any pets?
	I have a lionhead bunny.
	What kind of animal am I?
	Let me ask you a question.
	What is vegan philosophy on having pets?
	She doesn't have time for it.
	A vegan.
	No, to choose to be a vegan is to choose not to eat animal products.
	So no mother and no face.
	Wait, oh, so sister.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Under veganism, and maybe Andrew, you can weigh in on this.
	I don't know why I'm at.
	So like you can't eat animal products, right?
	So like can vegan chicks can they swallow?
	I knew you were going to say that.
	Oh my God.
	It's a legit question.
	It's an absolute consent.
	That's different.
	Because when you're in animal products, meaning I don't eat flesh meat and I don't eat something that's supposed to be fed to a calf because a cow has four stomachs.
	Let me ask you, well, I got to follow up just very quickly on this.
	And I became a vegan because I don't know.
	Can project into your head what it is that they think and you can talk to them that way by what they think.
	If you were to have chickens and you were to go to a chicken and say, this egg right here is never going to actually be a chicken ever.
	Okay, it's just going to be yolk.
	Do you mind if I eat it?
	Couldn't the chicken just say yes?
	I've never asked a chicken that question.
	But if you did, couldn't you eat eggs?
	No, because it's a baby chick.
	There's no baby chick.
	It's like eating an embryo.
	I don't want to eat an embryo.
	But not all eggs are going to develop into chickens.
	Yeah, but you can actually buy chickens, which are bread.
	Andrew, it's just a choice.
	So other people are okay with eating animal products, and I don't have a problem with other people's diets.
	It's just for me, I watched an animal suffer that I used to eat underneath the water with the same emotions on this fish's face that we would have if we were dying.
	I totally understand.
	I am going to use just two brief arguments back.
	About the chicken on the egg is that if a chicken can communicate with you and you're able to tell it this will never be a chicken, I don't see why the chicken wouldn't say, well, then go ahead and eat it.
	It's not like you're harming any chicken.
	It's never going to be anything, right?
	And then the second I refer to as the Kurt Cobain argument against veganism, which is fish don't have any feelings, so they're okay to eat.
	That's what I mean.
	He says it right in his song.
	He says, well, he doesn't know because he hasn't been living underneath the water.
	Number one, he took his life, unfortunately.
	But because of all the years I've spent underneath the water, I've watched Fishes or fish, they have family.
	Have you ever eaten?
	They have no, I bet that tastes good.
	Well, dolphins of tuna.
	No, you would be full of mercury.
	Tuna has a lot of dolphin in it.
	You would be full of mercury.
	Listen, can we all get an animal?
	Okay, huh?
	Yeah, we all get an animal before.
	I would eat a kangaroo.
	I heard, I hear kangaroo.
	I've got kangaroo.
	Kangaroo burger.
	Wait, okay.
	Okay, so just because she's got it.
	Holy fuck up.
	What the fuck?
	She's a unicorn.
	Hold on, just because, just because you gotta get out of here pretty soon.
	What kind of animal am I?
	Oh, we're going back.
	I thought we were going around the circle.
	At first, I thought she was like a bunny, but then it's like a unicorn.
	Thank you.
	I get told a lot that I look like an elf.
	What about Andrew?
	What animal is Andrew?
	Yeah.
	What kind of animal is Andrew?
	At the end.
	Do you want to know?
	No, just do me and Andrew.
	Just do me and Andrew.
	No.
	These girls don't care.
	No.
	They don't care about what animal they are.
	I definitely know.
	I want to know what animal animal.
	Let's find out our animal.
	A like falcon hawk.
	Or hawk.
	There are actually falcons or like peregrine falcons are amazing.
	They are cute.
	I've worked with birds of prey, so birds are my biggest.
	Okay.
	Can we get through it a little quicker?
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	So you want to know your animal.
	Yeah.
	I thought we were going to start.
	It's like a fox or a okay.
	Yeah, but some people have a couple animals.
	Just give one to just one, please.
	Just one, give her one, give her one, give her one, give me one, give Andrew one.
	Lynx.
	And panther?
	Panther.
	We got a lot of animals in here.
	I'm not.
	But when I did an Indian sweat with Chumash Indians once, I heard everyone's animal after the forest flat.
	This is Chumash.
	And a Chumash Indian took me to built this.
	He did a sweat.
	Sweat with a Chumash Indian.
	And everyone, when I went around and came out and said, you sounded like a baby harp seal and blah, blah, blah, everyone was like, that's my favorite animal.
	Like of every sound, all I could hear was their animal.
	So what is Brian?
	He was there on the Great Prairie.
	We walked west for miniature.
	All right.
	Elephant.
	He's like, elephant, what the fuck?
	I swear Brian's an elephant.
	Hey, elephants are smart, though.
	Super smart.
	I was going to say, like, a Charpe dog.
	Brian's an elephant.
	They got both of them.
	Yeah, Brian's an elephant.
	I really like elephants.
	And he is like info, a gazelle, mad, something.
	Wait, what's that?
	But I got either a bear or a wolf.
	He's done that.
	And he could be like, Andrew is.
	Andrew is.
	That's hyping up his ego too much.
	Andrew is a.
	I don't understand.
	Everybody's a ten.
	Why can't they hype up my ego?
	They can.
	Not today.
	I look like wolverines.
	No, not today.
	Just yesterday.
	Okay, and then Dove, last things here.
	You said hot tip that most men and women make choices from their aquatic brain, ancient memories of attraction, plus each human has distinct animal traits that can determine compatibility between sexes and partners.
	It's true.
	So this is like.
	You wouldn't date someone that, like.
	Like, I wouldn't date like a mouse because I'm an elephant, right?
	Or could I do mouses and elephants like they fuck?
	I think they're good together.
	I think yeah, like the little mouse could grow up under your attitude vibes.
	I just think that we have an animal sense.
	We sense people before we even think about them.
	We're sensing them, we're vibing on them, so we're using animal senses, we're using natural abilities that animals use every day.
	What is aquatic brain, though?
	It's our ancient brain.
	Aquatic brain.
	Yeah.
	Actually, you know what?
	That's probably real.
	After we evolved through the Neanderthal phase, some people still are in the Neanderthal days.
	We're lobsters.
	Do you believe that shit?
	Hey, we used to be, we evolved from lobsters.
	We evolved from the storm.
	Shout out to Jordan Peterson.
	What's up?
	And then our brain changed.
	And we're more like we're born in a womb.
	Our blood moves like an ocean wave.
	Our breath moves like a wave.
	Andrew, can you do a Jordan Peterson impression?
	Can't do the Peterson.
	Well, I can't.
	I haven't nailed that impression.
	I'm sorry.
	Almost any other one I could do, but that one's got to get geometry.
	I mean, when you look at him, doesn't he look like he has traits of a bear and sometimes he's definitely a wolf?
	Yeah.
	Doesn't he look like a wolverine?
	Not wolverine.
	He doesn't look like a wolverine, though.
	I could be bad.
	I need like the.
	I could do it if I knew what to say.
	Brian and Brian, you look like a fucking elephant.
	Is that what?
	No, he doesn't look like a wolf and the wolf.
	I got the worst one, bro.
	No, an elephant.
	Elephants are a mess.
	What's one for sure?
	It's got to be the worst.
	I love elephants.
	What is your elephant?
	I'm having long drunks.
	Really?
	Elephants are cool.
	That's right.
	That's good.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh my gosh.
	I can trample entire villages.
	Like, you got this.
	I'm a war elephant.
	Yeah, you are.
	With a tusk.
	Did you hear about that elephant that like cats the funeral?
	You just did.
	Okay.
	Well, but that's important.
	Wait, so aquatic brain, aquatic brain.
	Some kind of cat, but then also like.
	Really?
	I feel like she's like a diet.
	I was thinking that too.
	Wait, hold on.
	Just a point of clarification.
	When you say aquatic brain, you're talking like, is that like oral sex underwater?
	Yeah.
	Have you tried that?
	Wait, bro.
	You can't do this.
	It doesn't work.
	I mean, one time I did was a diver.
	She was a scuba diver, and she tried.
	Like, sex in the bath in the hot tub, in the bath, all that stuff is great.
	Give me that H2O.
	No, but the aquatic brain is kind of like how we make decisions.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Logic comes.
	So, what kind of animal in a person am I most compatible with?
	Since I'm me.
	What kind of girl should I look for?
	Someone who loves Africa.
	Huh?
	Elephants are in love.
	Yeah, but love's like.
	Yeah.
	Why did you make eye contact again?
	I'm just saying that's an elephant, unicorn.
	When you think about elephants, everything about them is family.
	They have like a really great memory.
	They're there any Asian women in Africa who kill for their own.
	There's Asian elephants.
	There's Asian elephants too.
	Yeah, there's Asian elephants.
	I gotta date something.
	So I have to do it.
	What about the Africa thing?
	No, I'm just saying that like the safari does.
	It's like Africa.
	So it could be like a white colonizer.
	Sorry, was that loved Africa?
	Is that a bit?
	Yes, you already said it.
	Thank you, Desmond.
	Gotcha.
	And actually, unicorns come from Africa because they're going to be a horse with a horn here.
	So when you look them up.
	Yeah, like back in the time right after the dinosaurs.
	I mean, it's a Morocco.
	It means a camel, like a little bit of a unicorn horn.
	Anyway, it's been a pleasure.
	Thank you for letting me.
	Give me one more animal, though, that I would pair off.
	Oh, is that you?
	Yeah, yeah, because I'm on the lookout.
	No, but it could be an Asian animal, too.
	Someone who likes peanuts.
	Peanuts?
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	This is crazy.
	This is crazy.
	Hold up.
	Hold up.
	This is crazy.
	I think, Andrew, listen to this, bruv.
	Listen to this.
	I got to question now everything, all your intuition, because you said somebody who likes peanuts.
	Did you say it?
	Did you?
	I'm allergic.
	I'm allergic to peanuts.
	Your telepathy, your aquatic brain.
	I'm sorry.
	But what if opposites attract?
	She said peanuts.
	She said peanuts.
	I thought she said the P-N-I-S.
	What?
	That's what I heard.
	That's what I'm saying.
	No, she said, I got to date a girl who likes peanuts.
	She could also like banana.
	Why would I date a girl who likes, who doesn't like peanuts?
	That's why I was so shocked.
	What if it was opposites attract?
	What's a girl who's a lesbian?
	You want to be a panic?
	No, no, no, peanuts.
	Brian, if she ate the peanuts, if she ate the peanuts, then you would.
	She's opposite of you.
	Yeah, then you would.
	She likes peanuts.
	And he wouldn't be able to do that.
	She would balance you out.
	No, but I can't kiss her if she's just eating peanuts.
	She's not eating peanuts every day.
	Well, mommy's allergic.
	She's like, she's peanut butter.
	Your telepathy failed.
	How did you not know that I was allergic to peanuts?
	I also said bananas.
	Hello.
	So you like bananas.
	A monkey.
	Huh?
	Yeah, a monkey.
	You could date a monkey for you.
	Oh, a monkey.
	Yeah.
	You could date a monkey.
	Why are you saying gorilla?
	You don't even know her name.
	Like a gorilla.
	Gorilla.
	A monkey.
	A cock.
	What about like an orangutan?
	Like a smart.
	How do they call it?
	One of those orangutan.
	I don't know what the fuck we're talking about.
	Well, Dove.
	It's been a pleasure.
	Thank you so much for coming.
	I know you've got to get back to taking care of the animals.
	I'd love to have you back.
	We can dive more into dolphins and aquatic brain.
	I'll talk about the science behind.
	Hello.
	Bear rubbing his ass on the tree.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	I couldn't help myself.
	A baby bear.
	He's not even paying attention, I don't think.
	No, he's not.
	He's kind of like.
	Thank you.
	But we could talk about the science of animal communication next time.
	Okay.
	I would actually really like to do that.
	We will, you know what?
	We should have a one-on-one sit-down with Andrew and Dove when Andrew's here.
	I'll make it happen.
	Oh, are you going to come here?
	Oh, yeah.
	He's going to be here.
	He's here or in person.
	Yeah.
	In person, and you're going to see him.
	Round.
	Yeah.
	Never mind.
	All right.
	Isn't his wife in the shop?
	Yeah.
	Morgan, can you ride?
	His wife?
	Well, Senate plus household.
	How did we get to this?
	How did we get to that?
	That's it.
	That was quite the job.
	It was nice to meet you, by the way.
	Have a good night.
	It's going to be another late.
	Okay, we're going to try to get through all the notes here.
	Yeah, they need a license to tell us.
	Oh, man, it's already.
	Where's the soccer ball at?
	Where's the soccer ball?
	He's got five minutes to answer.
	Yeah, it's 4 a.m. over here.
	I got to wrap here pretty quick.
	Yeah.
	Oh, we've got to do Alien, Aliens Dating Apps.
	Bye.
	Can you pull up the dating app for Alien, Nick?
	Wait, is it TOS?
	No, Like, is the booty hanging out?
	It's about to get spicy.
	Nothing like crazy.
	No.
	Okay, cool, cool.
	Just double checking.
	This is the energy I was hoping for the whole podcast.
	I love this.
	So fine.
	Okay.
	Oh.
	Hi, I'm Alien.
	Wait, Alien, can you read it for me?
	Hi, I'm Alien.
	I identify as a freak of nature.
	I have tentacles coming out of my ass, four nipples.
	Oh, sorry.
	Four piercings in my yitties, and then also, in my titties.
	And then also, I have a tongue split.
	I am a whole dream come true.
	Wait, hold on.
	Can we see the tongue split?
	Yeah, I didn't notice that.
	Oh, that's so cool.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	Crazy.
	Especially as the unicorn.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Mythical, magical.
	How long did it take for that to heal?
	Just two weeks.
	Okay.
	I just got it done after Christmas.
	Or right before Christmas.
	And then, wait, bring it back, Nick, to the same photo.
	Oh, my.
	That's a dick.
	What the fuck?
	Are you Arsler?
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	The picture.
	What do you mean by tentacles coming out of your butthole?
	Do you have like worms?
	No.
	Do you have parasites, bro?
	Because you should have a lot of stuff.
	So I have that.
	I have the anime parasite tatted on my ass, and it's coming out.
	And, like, it's not done yet, but, yeah, I got it because of...
	Have you guys ever heard of Octobooty?
	No.
	Yeah.
	I met her.
	I told her, like, you're a really big inspiration of mine.
	Like, I really want to get the same thing as you, but I don't want to copy you.
	Here's my, like, what I have in my brain, what I envision.
	And she was like, babe, do it.
	And so I just went whenever I got back from New Jersey because I went out there for a show.
	And I came back and I found an artist who would do it.
	I think I spent like $2,000 so far on it.
	I got my next question.
	Yeah.
	But I really love it.
	$2,000.
	I love it.
	That's so cool.
	Yeah.
	It makes me happy.
	Are the other photos okay?
	Yeah, that one's okay.
	It just kind of looks bad, but okay, next.
	We'll skip over that.
	Are there prompts or is it just photos?
	There's both.
	Okay, fine.
	Photos are kind of first stuff.
	Okay, let's do those.
	All right.
	That's you.
	Yes.
	Yep.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	Five foot six.
	Her, they, Fae, non-binary, you're part Fae.
	Okay.
	Goth mix, next.
	The hottest thing you can do, bring me a gift, preferably from nature.
	Okay.
	Is that it?
	Open new.
	All right, boys.
	So that's a seating app.
	Is that so?
	That was Tinder.
	This is Tinder?
	Yeah.
	Did they change?
	I haven't seen Tinder in a while.
	They changed.
	To the whole panel, I really appreciate you guys.
	And the exchange that we had, I have to get out of here a little bit early tonight.
	I have an engagement in the morning.
	It was nice to meet all of you.
	I know we had a spirited back and forth.
	I take none of it personally.
	I enjoy the exchanges.
	And with that, I'll bid you good evening.
	Hey, Andrew.
	Andrew, thank you.
	Oh, Andrew, are you able to send us a raid?
	Of course.
	Awesome.
	Thank you, Andrew.
	Everybody who's watching, check out Andrew's channel, The Crucible.
	We have the link in the description.
	Drop him a sub.
	Thank you so much for tuning in.
	Tuning in again, Andrew.
	Oh, okay.
	See you later, Andrew.
	I'm out.
	Thank you, Andrew.
	Appreciate you coming.
	Thank you.
	I'm going to see if the Crucible crew, I think he's sending them over right now.
	Appreciate you guys over there at the Crucible coming over.
	Where were we?
	Oh, the dating app?
	Tinder.
	Yeah, we did it, though.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You said when it comes to dating, I'm the problem.
	Yeah, probably.
	What does that mean?
	I just know that I have a lot of stuff that's wrong with me personally that other people aren't equipped to handle.
	Like, I have the weirdest phobias.
	I can't do band-aids, tape.
	I can't do stickers.
	I don't like wet paper.
	I freak out about bathrooms.
	Like, I am just a very complicated person.
	So, for the most part, I know that it's just me.
	I'm the problem.
	And most of the time, I just don't want to deal with other people.
	That's not necessarily a problem.
	That's just how you are, right?
	I mean, it's a problem.
	Like, it becomes like very crippling.
	Like, I have one guy stop talking to me because it was like, your bathroom situation is too much.
	And I was always like, come out here and like hang out with him and stuff like that.
	And then I would be like, I can't take a shower at this Airbnb or this hotel.
	Like, I have to go to Planet Fitness.
	And he was like, literally, Planet Fitness is like way worse.
	And I'm like, I literally can't do it here.
	This feels like a little too claustrophobic for me.
	Like, it's a whole thing.
	And like, what's going on with your bathroom?
	It's not my bathroom.
	It's like all bathrooms.
	Oh, you can't.
	You can't deal with bathrooms.
	Open space.
	Like a sanitation issue.
	You can't go to the bathroom in a different bathroom.
	It has to be your bathroom.
	No.
	Like, it's claustrophobic.
	It triggers a sort of like phobia, but I'm not sure what.
	Sometimes it's more about what it looks like, you know, generally.
	And it doesn't even have to be dirty.
	Like, you can walk into a bathroom right now and be like, this is fine.
	Christine, what about our bathroom?
	Is it a good bathroom?
	It's fine.
	I wouldn't take a shower in it, but I can use the toilet.
	You know, yeah.
	What about like Planet Fitness bathrooms make you favorite?
	I hate it there too, but at the same time, it's just like it feels less claustrophobic.
	Like the Airbnb that me and my best friend have right now, the shower was like, I could barely even move in it.
	And it like, I don't know why, but whenever I'm in the shower and it already bothers me, but I'm like, I have to walk in and just take this shower.
	I can come out of the shower and just be like a chihuahua and just be like trembling.
	So do you have a lot of phobias?
	Yeah, I have a lot of phobias.
	And you said like the band-aid thing.
	Yeah, band-aid stickers.
	You can't put like on you.
	I don't like it.
	If it's on me for way too long, like I've been trying to get better at it ever since I started like jobs because I was working at like Sonic and stuff and like, you know, they use a sticker to put the receipt on there.
	And I have to get better at that.
	Sorry, go off.
	Do you have tripophobia?
	Tripophobia.
	Tripophobia.
	I used to.
	Tripophobia.
	I used to.
	Glasters and small holes.
	Tripophobia.
	No.
	It's terrible.
	Like when I boil water, I get like scared because it like bubbles up and there's like that gives you tripophobia.
	Okay, I used to take showers and I would like look at myself in the shower and I would see like the bubbles and that would tripped me the most.
	Does anybody want a new fear?
	Do you want a new fear?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Tripophobia.
	Oh my gosh.
	Nick, just Google Tripophobia.
	And then there's like just a actually not fucking.
	That's what they're scared of.
	No, we can't show that.
	It's not bad.
	It's not terrible.
	It's like just holes.
	Is it going to make you guys?
	It's kind of creepy, I'm not going to lie.
	It doesn't really make me uncomfortable.
	I'm not like super super like scared to be a little bit more close to it.
	Eh, fuck it.
	We're not going to be able to do it.
	Look it up after you.
	Don't see why.
	But it's challenging for you when you have that many focus.
	I also like, My weird ass self, right?
	Like, even like with the bathroom situation, I can't even have the lights on.
	Like, I have to take a bathroom at night or with the lights off or the door shut with the lights off, right?
	Like, I can't look.
	How do you see in bathroom?
	Um, sometimes I have like my phone open, like a where I'm at, I have like two separate rooms.
	So, like, there's one room where there's a sink, and the other room has like the toilet and the shower or whatever.
	So, I put my phone in the room with the sink, let that like light kind of vibe off, and like look at it from there.
	But, yeah, yeah, it's like a whole thing.
	I know I'm not like why can't you look?
	Uh, anyways, uh, you said, just think most men are struggling because they hold their self theirselves in an unattractive way, yeah, like how I just don't think that a lot of guys are caring about their selves, you know what I mean?
	Like, they say like they care about like money, well, not money, but to get a girl, they have to care about money and blah blah blah, and they don't really focus on their looks.
	We'll see a bunch of guys say, like, we don't have to, you know what I mean?
	We don't have to really focus on our looks, that's not what girls look for.
	But, or if they do focus, then it's like, oh, we all have to look like fucking giga chats, and I just don't believe in that, and I think that's toxic.
	Um, I think that I don't know, there's a bunch of stuff that guys do that are unattractive, and it's even just like personality-wise as well, just not even just like looks.
	Um, but personality-wise, like for me personally, what I find unattractive is like I could be talking to a guy or whatever, and I don't care.
	I can give him like all the respect in the world, blah, blah, blah, this, that, and the other.
	We can hang out multiple times, and half the time it will be like he wants to, not even half the time, all the time he wants to do shit that's his, that he wants to do.
	But whenever it comes to like, oh, I just want to go painting, oh, I just want to go to a park, and then it's like, no, and then I find that unattractive, so yeah, there's got to be a give and a take, yeah, not just one-sided, yeah.
	But I'm not sure if it's me, and because of my dating experience with guys, and a lot of them feel like they need to, how do I explain kind of like show off to me?
	So, it's like, I want to show you this part of my life, and that's it.
	But whenever I'm like, well, I would like to bond with you and show you this part of my life, then they won't do it.
	And then it's like, how do you expect me to like you if you won't do anything with me?
	Right.
	Like, I had this one guy was asking him, like, do you want to go to a concert with me?
	He's like, No, I'd rather save that moment for something else.
	Or, like, if you want to just chill out and smoke with me, he's like, No, I'm just going to do it with my other friends.
	Like, he just didn't want to do anything with me yet.
	Every time I see him, he's like, I really like you, and I really want to date you.
	And I'm like, You're not showing me anything.
	You know what I mean?
	That tells me that you actually like me.
	You're more so just trying to prove to me.
	Like, it's a whole thing.
	Did we, on the last show, did we go over the whole making out with a racist and the something about the Nazis?
	We did.
	You made out with that.
	We talked about that.
	I made out with the, yeah, probably.
	He wasn't a Nazi.
	Okay, it's like a couple different stories that he.
	I end up talking to a lot of racist people.
	That's my fault.
	There's a lot of them out in the world.
	It's hard not to.
	It's hard.
	It's really stuff.
	I also have like a degradation thing.
	Oh, degradation thing.
	Yeah, whatever.
	I can't say certain things because of my tongue, but or pronounce certain things because of my tongue.
	But like, yeah, I have, I like degradation.
	So, like, I just don't.
	I don't know.
	Oh, shit.
	Wait, I know exactly what you're.
	I think I know exactly what you're doing.
	Wait, hold on.
	Do you date?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Raceplay.
	Okay.
	I suck, man.
	Wait, so you like, and hold on.
	But I'm assuming this is something you do with white guys then.
	Only white guys.
	Only white guys.
	Anyone else, I'm just like, it doesn't work, you know?
	You know?
	Wait, so like, what would is it roleplay stuff or you just want them to degrade you in a racial way?
	I just want them to degrade me in a racial way.
	I know it's like, it's more trauma response type of thing because I had something happen whenever I was like super young where they did come at me in a racial way and like essayed me and stuff like that.
	And I just know that it just sticks with me and blah, blah, blah.
	But I typically go for guys, especially when it's white guys, when I do ask them to do that.
	It's not the ones that are like straight up.
	Like, if I say, hey, can you do this for me right now?
	They'll do it immediately.
	I'm like, as soon as they'll do it immediately, I'm like, out of my head.
	You gotta like.
	But it's like, if you feel uncomfortable saying it, then I fuck with that because that already means like you don't.
	Wait, so you want them to question, like question themselves while degrading you?
	Yeah.
	Like it's a questionable.
	Yeah.
	Like.
	So you don't want them to actually like you want to.
	Yeah, you want to be able to tell that they don't mean it while they're doing it kind of thing.
	Yeah.
	And that gives her seriously.
	Yeah.
	They don't actually.
	They don't actually mean it.
	They mean it.
	But they're not coming out to me to hate me.
	You know what I mean?
	Type shit.
	Has a guy ever called you like in the bedroom?
	Like did his voice crack while like if his voice cracks while he's calling you a slur?
	Is that like, whoa, that's so hot?
	That's never happened because no one will call me a slur.
	No, but you said sex.
	Oh, but I thought you were.
	I want them to.
	They do it beforehand.
	It's like before play, I guess.
	But they won't do it during sex because that's not what they're thinking about.
	Now, if I was talking to someone who probably was racist, then they probably would just drop it right away, even during sex, because that's what they're thinking about.
	But like you said, the guys that are too eager to appease you on that, you're like, no, no.
	They went too easily on that.
	Can I make a point about that real quick?
	On the degradation thing?
	You're into it too?
	No.
	But my ex that I said that sucked me in a bush.
	Oh, my gosh.
	He messaged me a bit ago and was like, hey, like trying to get back in touch and stuff.
	And he's like, would you be able to be mean to me?
	Like, could you be really mean to me and I'll pay you and stuff?
	And I'm like, this is crazy.
	Because I never knew that.
	Yeah, he said, I'll pay me.
	And I was like, well, I never did it, but he, it was crazy because I never knew that.
	I never knew he had like that type of fetish before.
	I have like the opposite thing.
	Like a praise king.
	Praise King.
	Yeah.
	But not like, like giving, but not, I mean, receiving, fine, but like.
	Oh, yeah, giving.
	I prefer giving.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy what you learn.
	Sometimes sometimes like you think back.
	You think, I thought back.
	I'm like, this makes so much sense now from when I was like younger.
	I'm going to totally shift gears here.
	Okay.
	Going around.
	Oh, okay.
	These are going to be rapid fire, especially since, you know, whatever.
	You're in the forest.
	Would you rather come across a random bear, a random bear, or a random man in the forest?
	Me first.
	Okay.
	Can you censor your thing?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Shared you.
	I feel like it doesn't even have to be a man.
	It just a person in general.
	I'd rather be in the forest with a bear.
	Man.
	A man.
	A bear.
	I think I want a bear too.
	A man.
	Man.
	Wait, so bear?
	Bear.
	Bear?
	You two?
	Two bears.
	And then you too, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait, are you a bear or you want a man?
	Wait, you're not a man.
	Why bear doesn't matter.
	Why bear?
	Why bear?
	Me in general, just like I choose bear because I just don't trust people.
	I don't like people like that.
	I don't trust women.
	I don't trust men.
	It depends if you tell me, like, oh, it's going to be your best friend or my brother that's going to be in the woods with me, then that's fine.
	But anyone else, I'm like, I'm okay.
	She's one with nature anyway, so it's like.
	Why bear?
	Bear because they seem easier to mitigate considering certain circumstances.
	I might know what to do in a situation with a bear.
	Have you ever come across a bear?
	No, but I've heard.
	Do you know what not to do with a bear?
	What not to do?
	Don't run.
	Don't blind a tree.
	Don't blind a tree.
	You're automatically screwed.
	Yeah.
	A man, you never know.
	Yeah, but it could happen.
	The bear, you're definitely dead.
	It depends on the bear.
	Only if it attacks you.
	Why bear?
	Why did you pick bear?
	Because if I'm wandering through the woods and I just see like a random man like nearby, like I'm instantly going to be like, what are you doing here?
	Like, I have some mistrust of you.
	Like, I feel like you might not have nefarious intentions, but you look suspicious, and I'm staying away from that.
	A bear?
	Why do you assume he looks suspicious?
	Because that's just my automatic.
	Like, if I'm walking through the woods alone and then all of a sudden there's a random man out there, like I'm going to be like, I'm turning back.
	Like, what are you?
	Weird, weird presence.
	I'm going a different way.
	We're not going to walk down the same trail.
	Like, I will.
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	I'll change paths to go the other way around the man.
	But a bear, like, that's its natural home.
	Like, I feel like I can kind of evaluate what it's going to do more.
	Like, I guess trust in its natural instincts more than what this random man is doing out in the woods.
	Is he following me?
	I don't know.
	The man is out there for the same reason that you're out there, though.
	Like, you guys randomly plopped in the woods.
	It just would be unnerving to run into any person when you're not expecting it.
	Sure.
	But I think it would be more terrifying to run for me to run into a bear.
	Which one is it?
	What number?
	Five.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Do I bite?
	The bear.
	Y'all crazy.
	Picking the bear.
	That's crazy.
	Well, you didn't specify what bear, though.
	Huh?
	You didn't specify a bear.
	What if it's a koala bear?
	Or like a sun bear?
	We also didn't specify what kind of man, but that's the whole point.
	Yeah.
	I actually want to do.
	I don't know if I could get my hands on a.
	I'll do a black bear.
	I would be willing to pay a woman $100,000.
	We get to record it.
	We stream it.
	Mr. Beast.
	She gets to $100,000.
	She has to go in a 10 by 10 room with a random bear for an hour.
	Or no, that's just it.
	Any girl who says that she'd rather die.
	I volunteer.
	I don't think that changes the case.
	She volunteers.
	Are there any lawyers watching?
	Something's got to be watching.
	If you do this and the bear kills the person, assuming they signed a waiver beforehand.
	No.
	Like, am I still going to have liability if the person does.
	But they know.
	I mean, they know they're.
	Okay, we're not going to hide the fact that it's a bear.
	They have to sign a waiver.
	They have to send a release.
	Actually.
	Could you?
	I mean, it's kind of assumed risk.
	Any lawyers in the chat?
	I don't know.
	Maybe the same TV show where like it was a tiger.
	Oh, never mind.
	The practical jokers had it on their TV show.
	They put him in a room with a tiger.
	Oh, but the tiger was like tied and stuff.
	Like you couldn't actually hurry.
	Yeah, I was going to say check the same contracts that they sent on the submersible down to the Titanic, I guess, right?
	I feel like that could be possible because there's this like show where like people pay to get tortured.
	I was going to bring that up.
	No, it's way worse.
	Like it's like a house in like a forest that you go to.
	And they have to sign a waiver that they like, even though they asked someone to leave, they can't leave.
	But like, okay, the waiver says like you could very well die.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Because they torture you.
	Yeah.
	No, no, I'm talking like I'm talking for the bear thing.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Would it be?
	We need a lawyer.
	We need a lawyer to.
	I will do this, though.
	I will pay $100,000 to a woman.
	I don't want to be ported.
	I already said I thought that.
	Alien wants it.
	She wants to be the first.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I got you.
	I'm like a whisperer of animals.
	Oh, yeah.
	You should bring me to the bottom of the camera.
	I'm kidding, guys.
	I'm off these things.
	That would be a really cool example.
	All right.
	So, okay, the bear thing.
	Y'all crazy, though.
	Picking the bear.
	Don't you think that's kind of sexist?
	Well, y'all kind of sexist.
	No, but whole bears make it happen.
	We won't attack you unless you panic.
	Exactly.
	And I'm not going to panic.
	Or if they're hungry.
	They have young cubs nearby that you haven't seen.
	But they're doing logical.
	Predictable and logical.
	Yeah.
	They're bears.
	Predictable, you think?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Here's the final question on this.
	I won't.
	I'm not really going to debate it, but those of you who said bear, what, so what then, what percentage of men do you think would opt to attack you, victimize you in some sort of way in this scenario?
	Percentage.
	In the woods scenario?
	Like, you want that percentage?
	Yeah, because I mean, you're doing, you're kind of doing a risk assessment here to the point where you would prefer the bear.
	So what is the actual risk assessment?
	Like, what percentage of men do you think would try to attack you, harm you, whatever?
	I mean, couldn't it like be a 50-50 though, since you don't really know what like pool you're grabbing these random men out of?
	And like, so you really have no idea.
	Like, it could be good, it could be bad.
	Like, I would say, I would say, actually, my answer would be like you might think 20%, maybe 10, but that's that like sneaky statistic that you gotta be watching out for.
	You'd have to say that.
	It would be a lower number, but it'd be like a percentage of men in general would be a good idea.
	Yeah, that's what I mean.
	But he was saying it's not like a high percentage, but it's definitely a percentage, which still makes it so you think like 50% of men would opt to hurt harmony?
	No, not in like real life, but like if he's saying like we're doing this in the woods scenario, so like where I'm just being placed, like I'm in the woods and we place a random man in the woods with me, I'm just saying there's a 50-50 chance that that random man that is placed in the woods with me could be good or he could be bad.
	So your percentage, or we'll just move on, I guess.
	Okay.
	Going with 80.
	80%, 20, 10, 20%, what, 50-50 for you?
	50%.
	Damn, y'all crazy.
	Y'all crazy.
	That's sexist.
	Y'all sexist.
	Can I ask what that hashtag is?
	Which is?
	Big Libby on that.
	Yep.
	I can't.
	Actually, wait, I can't pull it up.
	One sec.
	Nick had to step away.
	Hashtag Big Labia Matter.
	You're curious about the hashtag?
	Yeah.
	Are you rocking?
	Is that why you're wondering?
	You want to tell us?
	I was just wondering what was going on.
	Did you have like a.
	So I am a feminist and I defend women.
	Why did your voice?
	Yeah.
	Listen, I don't think women should be shamed if they're rocking.
	If they got a large labia.
	Is that real?
	Oh, facts.
	Is what real?
	What you just said.
	Like, she's asking if you're being genuine.
	No, I know I'm kind of saying it in this sort of satirical way.
	It actually is genuine, though.
	Jokes aside, I don't think anyone should be shamed for the way they were born, whether the man, woman.
	You can't control PP size.
	I don't think we should be doing the small dick energy, big dick energy.
	I think it's offensive to the men.
	You know, you can't change that in women if they got large.
	Pussy lips.
	You shouldn't shame a woman.
	I don't think you should shame a woman if she's got large labia.
	I also exclusively date women with large labia.
	You really got a cut attire.
	We're going for the call.
	That's not true.
	I'm kidding.
	But I'm a fan.
	Don't get me wrong.
	All pussy's great, but I do have a bit of a preference.
	What started this?
	What do you mean?
	Like, how did you get on this?
	I'm not sure, actually, to be honest.
	I don't know.
	I know.
	It's probably from a girl that you slept with before.
	Duh.
	I don't know if it was even.
	See, one day you just woke up and you're like, I love large labia.
	Honestly, it might have.
	Honestly, it might have been, just being totally honest, I've never even talked about this on the show.
	I think it was probably just from porn.
	Okay.
	It could have been from porn.
	Like, I just was like, okay, that makes sense.
	This looks cool.
	I like how to preferences.
	Don't get me wrong, though.
	I don't discriminate.
	I'll still.
	He'll take them either way.
	I guess I'll accept a Ninny.
	I'll accept a Ninny, I guess.
	So, does that answer your question?
	Yes.
	I was wondering if it was real or not.
	Yeah.
	Nick, can you pull up my nonprofit organization, please?
	Yeah, Big Labia Matter, BLM.
	Oh, you got your tax-exempt status there?
	I'm working on it, boys.
	Big labia matter.
	10,000 women a year in the United States get a surgery to chop off their labia plastic.
	I'm against very upsetting.
	It upsets me.
	True.
	I don't like it.
	And if I can save just one woman from getting a labia plastic, I have actually.
	I've had like a lot of women DM me.
	I've had like over 100 women DM me.
	And they're like, Brian, I've never heard a man talk about big pussy lips before.
	You're the only one.
	It is cool, though, that you're doing it.
	All of these.
	Save them.
	Thank you.
	I am doing a service to humanity.
	It's a ministry almost.
	I also doing something really cool.
	Yeah, there's no.
	Have you really known women out there like micropenes matter?
	A and me.
	I fuck the micropenes.
	Oh, shit.
	We start that.
	But yeah, 10,000 surgeries a year.
	It's unfortunate.
	Look, also, there's a.
	I also, there's the surgery component, but there's also like fake news about it.
	Like, okay, if a girl has an Audi, then that means she's run through.
	Right.
	No, that's not bad at all.
	It's like this weird, like the more if she's had a lot of sex or a lot of sexual partners, that's gonna cause her to have trust.
	You could be a virgin.
	You could be a virgin and have an Audi.
	You could have had like thousands of cocks and have an Inn.
	So, did you hear that comedian who was like that?
	Like, what was his name again?
	I forget.
	His or hers.
	His name.
	It was recently that he was like the potter comedian that was on a podcast that was like, I don't like this about women.
	Matt Reif.
	Matt Reif.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Fuck Matt Reif.
	Get him out of here.
	Fuck that.
	Wait, what did he say?
	I thought it was like song against him.
	He talks shit on my sister's with large labia.
	Really?
	That's me?
	I don't know that.
	That shit's fucked up.
	Done.
	If I saw him in the street, I'd be like, fuck you, Matt Reif.
	As I should.
	Don't talk about.
	Yeah, and you might see him.
	Next time you see him, you say that.
	Next time you see you see him see him.
	I will debate Matt Reif on labia.
	Also, do you like women, like really, though, at that point?
	Because if you're like having a preference, to him.
	That means I'm gay?
	No, to Matt Reif.
	Like, does he even like women if he's saying that?
	I don't know.
	That's a really weird thing to say.
	But what was I saying?
	Big labia.
	No, they make fun of the women too.
	It's like roasty, wizard sleeve, Arby's, beef curtain.
	Yep.
	It's not fair.
	It is not.
	It's not fair.
	It's rude.
	But I also push back just as much.
	Actually, this was going to be one of the topics of the show.
	I'll pull it up right now.
	Thank you for bringing this up.
	Nick, there's a TikTok page.
	There's a TikTok.
	It was, is it okay to make fun of men for having a small D?
	Oh, bringing it back.
	It should be a TikTok.
	Bringing it back around.
	Full circle.
	Yeah.
	My abusive X had like the technology.
	Yeah, make it a little bigger.
	So funny.
	I didn't know that.
	Rude.
	He was an abusive X.
	It's not rude.
	Make it bigger, Nick.
	Bigger.
	Bigger.
	All right.
	Eenie Weenie Teeny.
	Okay.
	60.
	There's been 60,000 videos using this sound.
	And I don't know if we can.
	Can we play it?
	I don't know.
	We can probably play a little bit, but hold on.
	Make it smaller.
	Yeah, go back.
	I'm trying to find the pot.
	There's a popular one that.
	Wait.
	Let me scroll back up.
	Scroll back.
	No, no, no.
	What the fuck is going on?
	Okay.
	And so click that second one, M782605.
	Yeah.
	We're going to need audio.
	Just got braces.
	The audio might be loud, so play from the beginning.
	That has got to be the smallest dick I have ever seen in my whole life.
	Get the fuck out of here.
	Pause it.
	So, anyways, so it's got 2.4 million likes, plenty of comments.
	And there's 60,000 of these videos using this sound.
	And it's just like, man, that's crazy.
	Maybe people just will just find the sound.
	They're just talking about the movie.
	It's a movement energy.
	Yeah, that's wrong.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's just as wrong.
	I don't think it was right either.
	But there may be also stuff as well for tiny things.
	Sorry.
	But there's like Cody Coe has a song called Tiny Meat Game or something.
	Maddie Takeovers.
	They take the power back.
	Yeah.
	And it slaps.
	They're taking the power back.
	Never heard the song, but I'm interested in that.
	Yeah, me neither.
	Never heard it.
	Is that like the only thing that you give up?
	That's the one that I have.
	I heard other people talking about like their meat and stuff like that.
	But I'm not, I don't really sit around like micro penis.
	You know what I mean?
	I just don't give a fuck about it.
	I really don't.
	I couldn't tell you how little it's crossed my mind about micropenises.
	Yeah, literally never crossed my mind.
	I don't think about them.
	Just so is that preference?
	Micropenis.
	What is that song?
	It's called Tiny Meet Gang.
	Is it really a song?
	Yeah, it is.
	How old is it?
	Is it like a couple years old, I think?
	Yeah, it's been out for a little bit.
	I've been doing it.
	It's like a SoundCloud.
	Natalie didn't show it to us.
	Yeah.
	So good.
	What's everyone's type?
	I don't think I really have a type, honestly.
	I hear a lot of people say that.
	Morgan.
	Just because I don't know.
	I don't care what their hair.
	I just want, they need to be groomed.
	They need to have cleanliness, like standards, be kind, like funny, like personality standards, honestly, are what I kind of look for.
	Is there anything that physically you are more attracted to, though?
	Probably though, like longer-haired boys, as opposed to like a buzz-cutting boy.
	I mean, a man bun can be cute, but you have to be like, you have to know how to style your hair.
	Like, I like a boy who cares about like personal maintenance.
	Like, he wants to make sure his hair looks good.
	He's going to moisturize.
	He cares about how he dresses.
	Like, a little cutie.
	That's what I got.
	Okay.
	I like a guy that's athletic and rugged and knows how to fix stuff.
	And, you know, I just find that bad to try to do that.
	I'm not going to be like a man.
	A man.
	That knows how to hang something on the wall, please.
	No, I don't know.
	I'm not the one to do that.
	Hang something on the wall.
	I'll hang something on your wall.
	I love to do like house stuff like that.
	Give me a saw.
	I'll come over there.
	I'll do what you're going to do.
	What needs to be done?
	We're going to interior design this.
	Would you take a more feminine boy?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I don't.
	Yeah, I really don't have too big of preferences like that.
	Like, I know things that I definitely don't like, but it's not like, and obviously they have to be like, there's a certain attractive level that I have SC and checks out.
	And I'm like, okay.
	But I don't really, I don't think, have too big of like looks standard or preference.
	I felt that.
	I'm like, for me personally, I like chubbier guys, sometimes fat.
	Yeah, but I don't like muscular guys.
	And sometimes I like skinny.
	I had this one skinny guy, like we did mushrooms and then we were cuddling.
	And then he looked at me.
	He was like, damn, Alien, you're buff.
	And I'm like, oh no.
	So ever since then, I'm like, I can't fuck with like skinny guys.
	Well, yeah, I can't.
	Some people like II.
	I just can't do any of those skinnier than mine.
	It can't work.
	Yeah, it was weird.
	But I'm not like too specific on like racial type of stuff.
	Like I know I said some stuff about race things, but that was in a fetish context.
	Yeah.
	Like in general, I still do talk to black guys.
	I do talk to Arab guys.
	I still, the guy that I'm talking to is Asian right now.
	He's he's hot, but he's definitely not my type.
	So I like guys who I feel like are unconventionally attractive, but yeah, I'm not sure.
	Well, and see, for me, it's like that energy that they put off has to be the right kind of energy, you know?
	That's true.
	Because I do like an alpha man, but he also has to be somebody you're going to feel safe with.
	That you totally feel like they're your shade tree that protects you from all the meanness and ugliness in the world, too, right?
	They're going to have your back.
	They're going to.
	That's a cute way to say it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I like the way you put that too.
	So, you know, I don't mind being that soft comfort for my man and just the same, right?
	Like, they're out there fighting for whatever they have to do to protect and provide and then come home and I want to treat them like a king, right?
	So, I mean, I feel like it's as long as you have two sides to it and both people are doing their part, you're going to find the happiness, right?
	But like we were talking about earlier, all the different traumatic things.
	I don't like the word baggage.
	I think life experiences, some are great, some are not so great, right?
	But I feel like it just makes you who you are.
	And like, for instance, the things that I've been through, I mean, I haven't even given you the tip of the iceberg, right?
	But the strength that I have as a result of that, I've grown, I've been challenged, I've overcome, you know, whatever.
	I don't like thinking of someone, a woman, as a victim of their past, right?
	You want to just go and be your best self every day.
	But then at the same time, the more struggles and things like that that you've overcome, you're going to need a man who can meet you there, right?
	Who can recognize that strength and see it as a desirable quality and can be a good match.
	Good match.
	And if what you need is a softer guy to help you heal, there's times in life for that too, right?
	Because things, it's a flow like a river in your life.
	Things up and down.
	You have a different thought.
	Yeah, I'm so sorry.
	No, no, don't apologize.
	When it comes to baggage and stuff like that, like I understand.
	Like, we're humans.
	Yeah.
	We are social beings.
	So therefore, we feel like we need other people.
	But at the end of the day, I don't think I need a man.
	Like, I have to, oh, I'm saying if you're a board alarm personality disorder, right?
	So like to me, it's just like when I'm hearing them, like, I'm literally suffering in my brain like 24-7.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm surviving every day.
	And then I'm hearing like, oh, a man is just going to make it better.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	I'm saying if you want a partner, a companion, if you want to be in a marriage, that's what I'm saying.
	You got to have it match up to be the right energy for what you need.
	I think when I like say baggage, like, yeah, it can be, can seem super negative, like a really negative term.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think when I think of baggage, I think of like getting into a relationship with like a man who has mental health issues because getting into a relationship with someone who does have mental health issues can be like super, super draining on yourself also.
	Like if that's like one thing I like, that's one thing I try to avoid, like at most.
	Because they're dealing with a lot of stuff in their own head.
	So it's like, how are you going to be able to deal with having a relationship?
	Yeah, I feel like that's really fair because everyone has like their own limits and boundaries.
	And at the end of the day, like relationships matter, of course, but you also need to prioritize yourself too.
	And it's like if that's going to be causing so much stress on you that you feel like you're giving all your energy, like you don't want to have to do that.
	We'll continue going around with type, I guess.
	Morgan, do you want to tell the audience your type?
	I bet all of them are begging to tell us.
	I don't think I have a type, but I would say I'm more attracted to certain people.
	So I mean that tall guy.
	Chill, chill.
	Tall, brunette, light eyes, or yeah, I think, yeah.
	And that's just a preference, but that doesn't mean that you have to stick to just that type.
	I don't think I really go with my type.
	Like, I think I'm like, yeah, we were attracted to most, like, that type, but then that's not the people I end up with.
	We were just talking about that earlier, but we were saying how like some women have like a specific type, but they don't always like have, get the boyfriend that's exactly what they want.
	Right.
	Like, we were both saying how earlier we dated guys that were the opposite of our type.
	So we feel like it doesn't really matter.
	And it's funny because, you know, we spent so much time in the conversation talking about how this one specific criteria is a lot of guys type, and that's just the age, the age thing, right?
	But I'm sure that men have way more qualities than just age.
	Oh, yeah.
	Let me give you the list.
	Okay, cool.
	Yeah, that segue.
	All right.
	What I want, let's start with looks and then we'll do personality.
	Okay, so looks.
	Any race is fine.
	Slight preference for white women and Asian women, but I'll date a black girl.
	I'll date a Latina.
	Slight preference, though, for white women, Asian women.
	Let's see.
	Prefer short, a little shorter, but I'll date any height.
	I'll date a girl who's 6'5.
	I'll date a girl who's 4'5.
	Don't care.
	For kids, though, it's probably taller is a little better.
	But for having kids, for having kids.
	For birthing babies.
	For having kids, you know.
	Anybody here that's like a kid?
	I feel like having some warrior, some fucking warrior children, but don't care.
	Don't care.
	I'm attracted to short women, tall women.
	That's a whole thing.
	It's a whole other thing.
	That's the thing.
	That's a whole other thing.
	What's the thing?
	Like dating for genetics is a thing.
	Oh, that's what Elon does.
	Yeah, you know, you know, you object to that?
	I mean, if someone wants to do that, that's what they can do, but that's kind of crazy.
	I literally heard people talking recently about how they won't date a guy unless he's not had the, oh, I can't say that word, Sean.
	The Fauci owie.
	Yes.
	The Fauci Owie.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, wait.
	That's the one it's called.
	They won't date a guy unless he's not had the Fauci.
	The other way around.
	What is that?
	Fauci ouchy.
	The Fauci ouchy.
	Okay.
	Oh, oh.
	Oh, okay.
	I've heard that too.
	Yeah.
	I've never heard it in that way before.
	That really Fauci ouchy.
	That's funny.
	But that's weird to want to.
	I mean, isn't that why people are attracted to other people?
	I don't know.
	I'm with the genetics.
	I don't think that's what people think when they want to date people.
	It's not like, oh, our kids are going to be really cute.
	People say that all the time.
	I want D1 babies.
	There's some childbearing hips on that gallow.
	I feel like if you're getting into a genuine relationship, you're going to want to get with him first.
	And then later down, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, like our kids are going to be cute.
	But it's like, your attraction trigger isn't, oh, that guy's really cute.
	No, I mean, it's not like primary.
	I don't think it's a primary thing.
	But it's like kind of in the back of the head.
	Really?
	I never thought of that.
	At least for height.
	I know.
	Like, I'm definitely thinking if she's like 4'7, like our kids are gonna be fucked.
	But isn't it usually that?
	It depends.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	That's always the case.
	Huh?
	Sometimes it goes differently.
	But no, there is something, dude.
	If I see a really tall chick, I'm like, yes, tall children.
	Boom.
	Like, really short people in my family who have had really tall kids.
	All right.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	What do you mean?
	I'm saying, like, my aunt and uncle had a kid, and he's really like way taller than me.
	I don't know that that can happen.
	But, like, tall parents are more likely to have tall children.
	Yeah.
	Okay, anyways, what else?
	Natural body supremacist.
	So, obviously, like, hygiene grooming, important, but strong preference for no plastic surgery, no fake tits, no fake lips, no BBL, no lipo, no labia, plasty, no tongue split.
	Sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	That was the very first question.
	Would you date him?
	Let's see.
	Minimal or no makeup.
	Prefer no perfume.
	Yeah.
	No peanuts.
	They have to hate.
	All nuts.
	The peanut thing.
	I'm allergic.
	What do you mean?
	How's it?
	Why is it weird?
	I never knew that you're allergic.
	You kid guys.
	You should take anaphylactic shock.
	Yeah.
	She shouldn't have told me that.
	When you bake, when you do your baking, you can put some.
	You should have told me that.
	So I don't bake with peanuts.
	That is good to know.
	If she's baking, I could have brought something in the middle.
	You could have just choked and died right in that seat.
	Okay, so it's not like my allergy to peanut, it's not insane.
	Okay.
	But I don't like it.
	Yeah, I get my mouth gets too good.
	I don't like peanuts either, so I just don't like the taste.
	Yeah, but plastic surgery, don't like it.
	I'll take it.
	That's crazy.
	Sorry.
	Why is that crazy?
	I just think people should just exist.
	Oh, sorry.
	I just think that people should just exist and like you shouldn't.
	Yes, I agree.
	People should just exist without plastic surgery.
	No.
	No.
	I don't see what's the problem with plastic surgery.
	Can you ask me?
	Like, answer me that.
	Oh, I'll give you a hundred million reasons.
	First off, let's just talk about the aesthetics.
	I actually think aesthetically, I don't think it looks good.
	So like fake tits, I don't think it looks better than like a girl with an A-cup or a B-cup.
	I don't think it looks better.
	It gives me uncanny valley.
	It just doesn't, I don't think it looks good aesthetically.
	But that's me as somebody who'd rather date a girl with A-cups than a girl with fake double Ds.
	Okay.
	That's me as a guy who'd prefer a little belly fat over the lipo belly.
	I don't like the lipo belly.
	That's me as a guy who'd prefer to date a girl with small butt, no butt over a BBL.
	BBLs look ridiculous.
	But there's different types of BBLs.
	Okay, hold on.
	There's different types of BBLs.
	Because that girl that was sitting next to me, she was fine as fuck.
	Her BBL looked nice as hell.
	And then there was another BBL.
	Yeah, her ass looks so good.
	There's no such thing as a good BBL.
	Jahan, there's skinny BBLs.
	And that's when they don't put that much fat in there, but they're like more so like work for it.
	Sometimes that doesn't look worse.
	Hip thrust.
	Sometimes that doesn't work.
	The most dangerous surgery.
	Yes, more people.
	And I only have the dumpster.
	I had a family member.
	Oh, tell us the story, Matt.
	She was just saying how it's really dangerous.
	And like I said, I actually had a family member who did it.
	She had a family member who did it.
	She died from a BBL.
	Yeah.
	Wow, that's crazy.
	It's so dangerous.
	That's why I'm pretty dating against it now.
	Lip fillers.
	Lip fillers.
	Give me a girl with a small upper lip over that like R-slurred.
	I don't know the lip.
	It doesn't look right.
	Any girls here have lip fillers?
	No, I don't know.
	No.
	No, I don't.
	Anybody?
	So I wasn't meaning to point out.
	And, you know, one of the things to keep in mind since you guys are younger is the more fillers that you get in your face, all the plastic surgeons and stuff are saying that that'll age you faster on your longevity of your natural beauty.
	It'll age you faster.
	The more fillers you get, the earlier in your life.
	And also the same with the Botox.
	All these girls getting Botox in their 20s.
	It actually messes with your face and it's not good for your longevity of your beauty.
	That's definitely true that there's some like negatives and everything.
	But I mean, again, you do really have to look into who's performing their work on your face.
	It's very important that they're certified, they know what they're doing.
	You asked if or you could just not get plastic surgery.
	Yeah, but if people like it, then they like it.
	Like, you asked if I had lip filler.
	I don't have any now, but I have to do it.
	I'm going to give you the rundown on this.
	Let me give you the rundown on this.
	We need to, we need to, we got to elevate our frequency, right?
	We got to elevate our family.
	Oh, are we talking my language right now?
	Our frequency, right?
	I think what we got to do, instead of saying, if there's something wrong with you and you want to fix it, go.
	I think we need to improve people's mental fortitude and constitution.
	We need to develop and procure the constitution of women so they can look in the face of the plastic surgeon and say, fuck you, bitch.
	I ain't getting this lip filler.
	Fuck you.
	Amend and ratify it.
	Double fake, huh?
	Amend and ratify it.
	Yes.
	Listen, we need to develop and curate the constitution of women so they reject this beauty standard, these unrealistic beauty standards.
	We ought to move away from this tragedy.
	Well, I thought that women are being taught.
	Natural lips matter anyway.
	You can use your same group there and put it with the no lip injections, and then boom.
	If my girlfriend came to me and she was like, Brian, I want to get some fake titties.
	I'd be like, no.
	Okay, and then she still goes with her.
	She doesn't have to do it.
	She's her own person.
	I would be like, I am less attracted to you now.
	Okay, that's her problem.
	Actually, I am less attracted to you now.
	Okay, and me personally, right?
	I want to get my nipples removed.
	What the fuck?
	So, like, that's that's don't you have them pierced?
	Yeah, I do.
	But eventually, I want to get them removed with four piercing.
	Yeah, I know.
	Just because I want to look like a Barbie doll, like underneath.
	Like, I want to get rid of my belly button.
	I want to get breast implants, and I also want to get rid of my wrist cage.
	Check this shit.
	I want to remove it.
	If my girlfriend comes to me and she's like, Brian, I've actually had a girl I was dating come to me and she's like, I don't like my boobs.
	Her boobs are fine.
	She had like nice boobs.
	I don't know what her something.
	I don't know.
	Whatever.
	Did she not like it because it was too big or too small?
	She had like a C-cup.
	I'm like, what are you fucking doing?
	Perfect.
	Yeah.
	I'm like, what do you mean?
	Every girl shy.
	But she's like, I want them bigger.
	I'm like, no.
	Okay, so, anyways, if she came to me, she says, I want to get a boob job.
	I would say, I would do everything in my power to gas her the fuck up on her existing titties.
	To gas.
	Well, that part is nice, though.
	That's great.
	I got to build my partner up.
	Yeah.
	No, I don't know.
	I got to get her back on the path and be like, listen.
	Well, like, you should build her up and everything, but also it's like more of a personal choice.
	They don't like their titties.
	It's insecure.
	I don't like my titties, but I'm not walking around being like, oh, I hate this shit, blah, blah, blah.
	I'm like, just one day I'm just going to give breast implants.
	That's it.
	If a girl wants to do it, she's just going to do it.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	That sucks.
	It's not that eating girl.
	That sucks, but she's just so messed up in her head.
	Once she hears, once she hears what I have to say, she's going to change her mind.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think there's like a difference between like body modification to the like in a creep.
	Well, I'm also getting like breast implants.
	Exactly.
	In that pursuit, rather than saying like an insecure kind of way, because it seems like you're just doing out of it out of you just want to.
	I just felt like you have a certain way to be taught that they need to not like it because of people like Brian who are walking around.
	Don't make that face because there's a lot of people that go around saying shit like, I like natural bodies.
	And the next thing you know, everyone that they follow on Instagram, the people that are hypocrites.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I know, but you know, but she's not talking about just you.
	That should be.
	But at first, it's like, oh, like women, like they need to be picture perfect.
	They need to be gorgeous.
	And now people are like doing that and they're like, oh, wow, guys, stop.
	That's too much.
	Like, nobody's ever happy.
	If the woman herself is unhappy with her body and wants to do something, she's going to be aware of that.
	So just make sure if you do anything, do it only for you.
	Don't do it.
	Not for yourself.
	She also looks like just like a Botox.
	Like say like lips, Botox, whatever.
	Like I think everyone that gets that stuff looks the same.
	They all look the same.
	Unless they all end up, they don't look the same.
	What?
	But they just have features.
	Yeah, like Kylie Jenner.
	Like a lot of people, you can see a lot of people online that look like Kylie Jenner.
	I have a question.
	Did Deadbeat look like Kylie Jenner earlier then?
	Because she definitely had a filler.
	I think that her filler, if she did, looks super cute.
	Like, I just a lot of people that do end up starting to get facial fillers or whatever are going to go to like the extent of it.
	And they're all going to look the same.
	Well, I don't agree with that because I've gotten fillers for like previous years.
	I've had fillers.
	I don't have any fillers in my lips right now, but I have.
	It's like, I don't go for that.
	Like, I go for more of like a natural, like, my preference, what I see a little bit of, like, oh, I'd like a little more like here or there, something like that.
	Obviously, that's not like everybody, but like when I'm injecting myself, like, I'm doing it because I like how it makes me feel afterwards.
	And like, I'm not, like, I don't think it has to stem into like a lot of people always go, like, oh, it's an addictive thing.
	Like, you get one injection and you just can't stop.
	Like, no, it's not, they may, I don't, that just narrative makes it seem so weird.
	Like, I think it's a suggestive, like, narrative.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like when someone suggests to you, like, a certain thing, and then you're just like, yeah, I can play into that, basically.
	You know what I mean?
	Almost kind of like a placebo.
	I'm not saying that.
	It's like when people talk about weed, it's going to make you lazy and blah, blah, blah.
	But for me, it's the exact opposite.
	I had nose surgery and I am so happy.
	I hated my nose.
	I hated it my whole life.
	I've always had an issue with it.
	I debated on it.
	I got lip fillers.
	I was like, that's not it.
	Finally, I just jumped in, got the surgery.
	It looks like a regular nose.
	I just saw it now.
	And it works better than it did before because I had kind of a messed up septum.
	So it got fixed.
	But I don't regret it at all.
	I'm happy about the choice.
	And it hasn't made me want to do wild things.
	But if there's something I want to correct about myself and it's something that I personally want to work on, I have no problem doing that.
	And I support anyone who wants to or does not want to.
	Definitely make sure you go to somebody that is qualified, licensed, certified, not in Tijuana for sure.
	You don't have billboards to try to bring in new patients.
	You don't use it.
	You're not traveling for genius.
	You want to make sure it's quality.
	You don't use a group on for cancer treatments, for your eyes, not for surgery, LASIC, or plastic surgery.
	No.
	No group on that.
	The big nose.
	Yeah.
	I'm against plastic surgery across the board.
	That's okay.
	You don't have to.
	I don't like it.
	Don't worry.
	You don't have to have TV as well.
	You don't like it.
	You got to do.
	You got to do.
	Listen, there is an assault.
	There's an attack on women right now.
	There is.
	I would agree with that.
	As men, as men, if we're going to be protectors, we can't just protect you just from physical threats.
	We have to protect you of threats of mind.
	That's one of our jobs as protectors.
	And one of the mental threats, one of the mental assaults on women is plastic surgery.
	I agree.
	And it's because all these guys are looking at the people with the plastic surgery and wishing that their woman looked like that.
	So it puts a bunch of pressure on the women.
	So they can't be a hypocrite.
	Oh, my wish.
	I feel like a lot of women idolize those women.
	Well, let me tell you, I got my breasts augmented when I was early 30s, and it was in, I'm not going to talk about it, it was in my first marriage, all right?
	And it was nothing that I thought I really needed.
	And so then I was stuck with that for 20 years.
	Well, I met my husband, and he said, you don't need that.
	And it's been so long.
	My daughters also said, you know, you really should think about your health and blah, blah, blah.
	So I had them removed a couple years ago and couldn't be happier.
	I felt like my normal self again.
	I am, you know, got a cute little figure again.
	And I think it's cute though.
	You're saying you did this for yourself because originally you were pressured into doing it for him and now you're like, no, this is what makes me happy.
	Right.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But like, you know, I mean, we were together 15 years, you know, and that was.
	But he wanted you to get fake titties?
	He just, he didn't come out and tell me to get them, but that's all he was fixated on, you know.
	And so he didn't have to say it, right?
	No.
	Okay, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get into all that.
	But anyway, point being, point being, super happy.
	I'm with a man who likes the natural, you know, female form and just couldn't be happier now.
	And healthy and good and all that.
	I agree with him about, I feel like it's so much pressure for perfection and for abnormal expectations on women nowadays.
	That's definitely true.
	Yeah, good times.
	What was the last thing?
	Oh, I think I was just, okay, we did the plastic surgery.
	Oh, what I'm like looking for in a girl, I guess.
	I guess I'll wrap up.
	We'll wrap up on that.
	I don't know if this counts as physical, but women with nice voices, I guess there's different kinds of nice voices, like soft, pleasant voices.
	That's good.
	What do you want us to say about the voices?
	I think he's just talking about the fact that I'm talking about voices.
	I almost forgot what you were talking about.
	Oh, okay.
	I was like, yeah, I don't know.
	I never thought about it.
	Oh, they have to bow.
	Bowing's important.
	Super important.
	Personality, moderate preference for introverted women.
	I'll date an extroverted girl, but prefer introverted.
	Quiet, calm, soft-spoken.
	Let's see.
	What else?
	Modesty is good.
	Pretty strong preference for doesn't drink, doesn't party, doesn't do drugs, doesn't go to bars or clubs.
	That's pretty important.
	And brings me peace.
	That's good.
	And what else?
	That's pretty good.
	That's pretty good.
	Can I ask about the bowing thing real quick?
	Yeah, sure.
	Where did that come from, do you think?
	Look, I'm just trying to bring a girl to Hawaii.
	Wait, what?
	The bow thing.
	What?
	Where did it, like, is that real?
	Wait, why are you laughing, Mark?
	Where did that come from?
	You don't want to go to Hawaii?
	What's up?
	Yeah, but.
	Oh, is he trying to bring you to Hawaii?
	What?
	You don't like Hawaii?
	Yeah, go to Hawaii.
	Come from to Hawaii.
	You fund it.
	Wait, what was your question?
	The bout.
	Is the bow thing real?
	Sure.
	Okay, that's my answer.
	What?
	You object to the bow?
	I feel like.
	Are you committed to it?
	Show me about.
	Why don't you do bow right now?
	Let's see it.
	I'll bow to you.
	Be a submissive.
	A real bow.
	Yes.
	A real one.
	Just like Jitsu Bow.
	Are we going to get back into the submissive organization?
	No, but do you think?
	No, please.
	No.
	It's no.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let's see.
	Wait, what's that, Nick?
	No.
	Wait, what?
	I'm trying to think, what is the other big thing?
	You were going through like your roundfire.
	The what?
	You were going to be a little bit of a bad.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, five minutes.
	I blame it on Morgan, honestly, for like this show going so late.
	I definitely think it's Morgan's fault.
	Thanks, Morgan.
	She's very talkative.
	It's a lot.
	It's definitely her fault.
	Yeah.
	Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	Of war?
	Didn't we already do this?
	Men.
	No, we did the bear war.
	Everybody's a casual woman.
	Men.
	Men?
	Everybody?
	Men or women?
	Is it casual?
	You have to pick.
	Yeah, if it's a pick, it's men, but yeah.
	Yeah, men.
	Probably men, like just like overall, I guess.
	Men.
	No, it's absolutely men through history.
	Who's physically stronger, men or women?
	Starting with you.
	Men, for sure.
	I know that.
	You have to use sex.
	Yeah, most men are definitely physically stronger.
	I'm not.
	Men.
	Men.
	That was such a random order.
	I don't know.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Oh.
	Yes or no.
	Yes or no.
	Are you going to want me to elaborate on that or do you just want me to pick us up?
	Do you want me to explain it?
	I'll say no.
	He's like, I'll just say no.
	Fuck, guys.
	What the?
	Damn, bro.
	I'm kidding.
	Ish.
	It's just a problem.
	I would get banned if I said that shit about women.
	Say it.
	Well, I think that Japanese.
	I don't think that's your point, Vincent.
	No, I actually don't think that.
	I like women.
	Yeah, and I like guys too, but they're still shitty.
	Okay.
	Are men trash?
	Yeah, for sure.
	Are men trash?
	No, what?
	Are men trash?
	No.
	A lot of men are trash, but not all men.
	Not all men.
	Are most men trash?
	Are most men trash?
	Hashtag, there's probably a large amount of men who are trash.
	Probably.
	Very large.
	See what I'm talking about?
	What about you?
	Not all men.
	But most men?
	I do agree with that.
	A lot of men?
	A lot of men.
	There's so many.
	I don't think.
	What do you think?
	What do you guys think of men?
	I don't think men are trash.
	I mean, here's the thing.
	And I feel really strongly about this.
	The whole toxic masculinity.
	Oh, it's toxic masculinity.
	Toxic masculinity.
	Well, who's going to go fight on the front line?
	Who's going to lift the big bales of hay and all that stuff that I can't do?
	Who's going to carry the people out of the burning building?
	You know what I mean?
	That's toxic masculinity.
	It's just masculinity.
	But there's toxic females and there's toxic males.
	It's just a toxic person.
	It's everybody has their own responsibility for their behavior.
	And you're a toxic person.
	It's toxic.
	Fake news.
	It's not.
	It's really not.
	They're the aggressors in mostly everything.
	Fake news.
	Okay.
	I disagree.
	Fake news.
	No way.
	Thank you.
	I disagree.
	It's in the statistics.
	Statistics of what, though?
	Because I have known some of really gels.
	Like, who's in there?
	Mainly men.
	Whenever we look at pedophilia, it's mainly men.
	Like, it's just.
	On all the teachers having sex with all the boys at the high school.
	No, that's really bad, too.
	And that's an idea.
	Every week is somebody in the news for that.
	I mean, because I was a high school teacher.
	I was a high school teacher.
	Shan is a high school teacher.
	Oh, my God.
	No, here we go.
	All them chicks be blood.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so I was an English teacher at first, and I was in my 30s, blonde, white, English teacher.
	That's the ones that do it every time, it seems like.
	It's these blonde.
	It was white chicks.
	I don't know why, but they do that.
	Anyway, my first school, the head of the English department, you can Google it, Brandon McDaniel, Sam Houston High School in Arlington, Texas.
	He's in prison for having all these girls, and he would pick women.
	He would pick girls that didn't have a dad at home and whose mom spoke Spanish so he could hide it better.
	And they all looked like his wife.
	And she just gave birth to their third child the same week he got arrested.
	It was horrific.
	I changed schools.
	I was like, I can't be here anymore.
	That's fair.
	You knew him?
	Yeah, he was my department head.
	Did you ever suspect it?
	A little bit of a like he was giving weird signs.
	No, he just, no, he was a very charismatic guy.
	I mean, you just never would have imagined that it was so rampant with that.
	But at any rate, it seems like it's all women nowadays.
	I think there's like whatever the media is showing, kind of.
	Like, I don't know if it's necessarily statistically true.
	I don't know.
	All I know is I see a new article every week of some female teacher.
	I want to mention something that I think a lot of the viewers appreciate from you.
	The white head.
	That's like a the way she said it.
	Oh, my students.
	I enunciate white, whin, where white.
	White.
	That's funny.
	I want to start doing it, though.
	I want to start doing it.
	I want to say that too.
	Yeah.
	What's that?
	What do you want?
	What?
	Hawaii.
	White.
	When?
	What are you talking about?
	Where?
	It's an answer.
	Well, what?
	Okay.
	It's like when you say water, like walk.
	Wait, I can't say that.
	What's the word?
	What are they doing?
	No, I like it.
	It's cool.
	It's cool.
	All my students always mention that.
	Wait, there's a chat and then last thing, and then we're going to wrap.
	I promise.
	I'm sorry, Morgan.
	I'm sorry.
	Hello.
	Can you read this, Morgan?
	To the redhead Jersey girl, intersectional has nothing to do with feminism.
	Hypothetically, 60-year-old, black, gay woman, gray hair, brown eyes, short broke.
	Definition of westernized feminism, please.
	So, okay, fair.
	That's definitely not appropriate.
	30 seconds.
	Go ahead.
	But, yeah, we're going way back.
	But Western, yeah, there's like radical feminism.
	There's the traditional.
	The Western is just like what we know here in the West, like taking down the patriarchy.
	Oh, my.
	But radicals, like, radicals, like, we're going to take it down.
	Like, we're going to bring the torches out.
	Yeah.
	Radicals are more like the men have really messed things up, so we need to take over, kind of.
	That's the radical.
	Yeah.
	So it's saying that.
	The Western is more like the patriarchy has like a lot to do with our issues here.
	So like we need to.
	Has it always been that green chat?
	Sorry.
	I don't know exactly.
	I'm gone.
	Yeah, so exactly.
	Wait, really quick on the patriarchy.
	That's actually the last thing I wanted to touch on.
	So, do you believe in the patriarchy?
	Yes.
	Feminist?
	Yeah, we we don't have to into the mic, Elizabeth?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Patriarchy, yes.
	Like that it's real?
	Is there patriarchy?
	Yeah.
	Patriarchy?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Really, what is the patriarchy?
	Wait, you believe in the patriarchy?
	I believe there is a patriarchy, yeah.
	Oh, but you like it?
	You know, I think, like I, well, what I just said a second ago, I believe in equality of opportunity.
	I don't believe in equality of outcome being forced.
	So, I mean, I think this is the system for humans for millennia and whatever, and there's, and whatever.
	But there's reasons for it.
	Well, here, let me get into my thing then.
	How do you, really quickly, how do you define patriarchy?
	Just a system that's predominantly run by men or dominantly.
	So into that, yes.
	It's like a system constructed, created, and run by men that ensures and goes by their values, right?
	So that's like what's the whole, that's what's in the system, right?
	So if there was more like less that, there'd be less value of you know, yeah, okay.
	I don't know, it's 2 a.m., bro.
	How do you define patriarchy?
	That's kind of what I mean.
	Man in charge.
	Ooh.
	Okay, well, how do you define patriarchy?
	I think a system of power.
	System of power?
	Kind of like a group of people.
	And these people are what?
	Mean, I guess.
	Secret underground.
	Okay, so under patriarchy, are women oppressed?
	They can be.
	Did you say you were a feminist?
	I mean, I'm kind of just asking the feminists.
	Whenever you guys were breaking down a definition, and that's when I was like, yeah, I guess I would call myself a feminist, but I side with Libby.
	Okay.
	Basically, yeah.
	All right, so under patriarchy, are women oppressed?
	They can be.
	Are they?
	It depends on the situation because it can be predominantly run by men, the entire structure of the society, but that doesn't mean the laws or what's being inflicted on women is oppressing them.
	Okay.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah.
	Are women oppressed under patriarchy?
	Under patriarchy, definitionally, yes, because that's what it is.
	Okay.
	Like it's designed for that.
	Yes, to certain degrees.
	Okay.
	I would have to agree.
	Okay.
	I'm going to have to say it depends on what country.
	She wants to talk.
	Oh, so you are afraid of yourself.
	I like her contribution.
	It depends on the country because, I mean, you're not putting a burqa on me.
	That's oppression, right?
	In Saudi Arabia, women only got their driver's license ability a couple of years ago.
	So I don't think that in America.
	In America, then I would say comparatively, absolutely not.
	Women are not oppressed.
	So for those of you who said women are oppressed, are you oppressed?
	No.
	Then I would say no.
	Probably in some ways, but I honestly can't think of right now.
	It's really late.
	So if we're like, I don't know how we're defining oppress, but this is how I'm going to define it.
	Like with certain opportunities compared to others, like compared to men, there's definitely an imbalance there.
	Men have more opportunities.
	Yeah, like connections, opportunities to certain institutions.
	Institutions.
	Like think about it.
	Like doctors predominantly are men.
	It's like pushed upon men to be in certain areas.
	There's certain a lot of areas that women are pushed out of.
	Like, I think it's.
	Women predominate in medicine.
	Maybe in like the nursing field.
	I'm pretty sure even in some of the other medical type fields.
	But okay, so, but you said systems.
	Pay for sure is still, it's still under.
	I should have gotten into this way longer.
	Okay, you guys will have to come back.
	But we will do like three minutes.
	Yeah, yeah, like five minutes.
	Five minutes, I swear.
	Think of it.
	I swear.
	Okay, if in five minutes you're not rapping, I'm going to wrap for you.
	What the fuck?
	She's going to leave.
	Okay, wait, so, and what about you?
	Moves the question again, sorry.
	Oh, are you oppressed?
	Into the mic, into the mic.
	Think about it for a moment.
	I don't think so.
	No, not.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, I mean, really quick, I won't be able to, we won't be able to debate everything.
	But I mean, you said like opportunities.
	Okay.
	So, and you mentioned systems.
	So, the university system, the college system in this country, who's more likely to go to college and graduate from college, men or women?
	I know it's men.
	I mean, I know it's women.
	Yeah, it's like 60%.
	It's like when you think about certain statistics, like rape statistics, right?
	Our word.
	Sorry.
	R-Slurd.
	How is that relevant?
	Well, because that's under the system of like our word culture.
	That's all in that system.
	Oh, my God.
	That's a whole nother conversation.
	No, we don't want to get into it.
	We don't have to get into it.
	We can cut it out.
	But it's all part of my argument.
	So it's like way deeper.
	I would absolutely engage with you on that.
	But just because it's so late, we do have to wrap the show.
	But I'll just finish by saying men are more oppressed than women.
	Checkmate feminists.
	Oh, my God.
	You're WC.
	You're wild.
	I don't even see that.
	Men are way more oppressed than women.
	I don't really.
	I don't know.
	I'm kind of wild in on that.
	Just say, yes, I agree with you, Brian.
	The patriarchy wins again.
	The patriarchy never wins.
	Serena, what do you think?
	I will not.
	She totally agree, right?
	She totally agrees.
	Serena totally agrees.
	She turned her head away from you.
	I don't know.
	Men more oppressed than women throughout all human history.
	Boom.
	Wait, what?
	Not just modern day, but throughout human history.
	Men more oppressed than women.
	I would like to just say this one thing that.
	Yeah, tell me how you feel.
	We all contribute.
	This is a safe space.
	We all contribute to this system in which we're all oppressed.
	We all contribute in a way, right?
	My husband.
	Okay, I can just not respond if that's going to be what that is.
	I swear that was Nick.
	I'm sorry.
	Thank you for apologizing, Nick.
	That was really rude.
	Like, men are also oppressed in that way because they're affected by that too, though.
	They're affected by the patriarchy team mainly in feminist teams.
	Wait, are you guys down to come back?
	But the argument, though, in feminism, how long are you guys in California for?
	We're leaving tomorrow.
	Oh, you're leaving tomorrow.
	Okay.
	All right, we'll have you guys back on sometime.
	I will just say, look, the final thing.
	Men are more oppressed than women on one sole metric, forced military conscription.
	Worse than any female grievance, forced military conscription.
	I'll give you that one, but I'm going to have to come back with some more rebuttal.
	I don't think you can name one female specific grievance that is worse than forced military conscription.
	I'm not sure right now, but.
	You can't.
	You can't.
	You just literally wait and see.
	You literally.
	Just take the L.
	It's going to be a little bit more.
	It's on L. Take the L.
	But who did that?
	But who did that?
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Exactly.
	But the men, though.
	Yeah, but who did that, literally?
	Like, that's my question.
	I already told you that queens were more likely to wage wars than kings.
	I understand that.
	I'm not like a Kamala Harris-Biden type centrist.
	That's what you're saying right now.
	You're literally going like centrist type.
	I'm not.
	That's not where I stand, but.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Men are more oppressed than women.
	It's a weird way to end the podcast.
	I know.
	It's great, right?
	You're trying to end it so that you can pile it up.
	I will not sign off to that.
	People really need to change.
	Anyways, we'll have to.
	We're going to have to.
	To what?
	Bring it up next time.
	We're going to have to debate it next time.
	We'll have you guys back on.
	Yeah, we're going to have to.
	We'll have you guys back in.
	We had to duel it out.
	It was really great.
	Wait, actually, final question for you.
	What year did World War II end?
	World War II?
	1938?
	No.
	42.
	43.
	All right.
	Well, that was my guess.
	Three guesses.
	Going around the table.
	What is everybody's body count starting with alien?
	I don't know.
	I don't think it's like let's go somewhere between that.
	15 or 15?
	15 to 20.
	15 to 20.
	Yeah.
	Matt.
	Maddie doesn't.
	If you know, you know.
	She's already said it like a billion times on the podcast.
	What about you?
	I'm not going to say that.
	What about you?
	Seven.
	What about you?
	I'm going to say like three to four because I'm not 100% sure.
	What?
	I don't remember.
	Half a bottle.
	Not 100%.
	3.5.
	Well, actually, and there's one that I'm not quite sure how to count.
	So that's fair.
	That's valid.
	I think seven or eight.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Single digits.
	Single digits.
	Okay, guys, we're going to wrap up the show.
	Nick, we're going to get a Twitch host raid going.
	This show, oh, my God.
	Oh, no, it hit nine hours.
	God damn it.
	Wow, longest show ever.
	Woo!
	Are you sorry?
	That was us.
	Longest show ever.
	Longest show.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Yeah, nine hours.
	The one that was over.
	No, it's been like.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, we came, we conquered.
	It's actually funny.
	I said, anyways, Nick, we got it.
	Who are we going to raid, Nick?
	Who are we rating?
	Who are we rating?
	Oh, Peyo.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me just check who we have.
	Hold on.
	What the fuck?
	Oh, my God.
	One sec, boys.
	What's your body count?
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm a virgin.
	True answer.
	The answers come out.
	I've never even seen them.
	What are their body counts?
	You don't even know what a labia is.
	I imagine you're scared of women.
	Nick's also scared.
	I'm terrified.
	Nick is too.
	Okay, Nick, we're going to do Frost Donnis.
	Frost Donus.
	Yeah, it's actually one.
	Never mind.
	Hold on.
	Get.
	All right, guys.
	Big thank you to the panel.
	Shout out to.
	Wait, what?
	How much fucking do you think is going to be in my oats?
	Wait, what?
	What?
	For Frostalit?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, guys.
	What was I saying?
	Yeah, yeah, let me just.
	Gigi, well played to the panel.
	It was a very good show.
	Fun show.
	Got into a bunch of debates.
	Appreciate you guys.
	This was our longest stream ever.
	So, I appreciate you guys burning the midnight fuel with us and your patience for making it through to the very end.
	If I could, I would give you all trophies for making it here.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Your patronage is very much appreciated.
	We will be live again.
	We might be doing a Thursday stream, maybe.
	Maybe.
	Maybe?
	Not a dating talk.
	It will be possible debate.
	We'll see.
	It's up in the air.
	So make sure to subscribe, turn your notifications on, whatever.
	We will be live again with another dating talk Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	Nick, pull up the Twitch really quick first.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	If you have one, if you got one, what is it?
	Drop us a Prime sub.
	Oh, it's been two hours since we got a Prime.
	Definitely bugged.
	If any of you who are watching, 800 of you are watching, drop us a Prime sub, drop us a follow before we send you over to raid Frost of Domis.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you.
	And then Nick, pull up Frost of Domis.
	I'm going to raid him over on Twitch.
	What is he fucking cooking?
	What the fuck?
	Why is his stream set up in this kitchen?
	All right, pull it up.
	All right, those of you who watch on Twitch, thank you guys.
	I'm going to start the raid.
	That's going to send in just in seven seconds.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Also, be sure to subscribe to Maddie's feet finder, feetfinder.com/slash and dog.
	Okay, raid.
	Oops.
	Going through on Twitch.
	That should be going through.
	Coop of protein.
	What about if you put some creatine inside?
	One scoop of creatine.
	Who's there?
	Yo, Brian.
	Yo-ho.
	Thank you very much for the raid.
	Welcome, everyone.
	Holy smokes.
	He's cooking.
	We're cooking with white powder.
	What the fuck?
	He's making some crazy shit.
	Normally he plays World of Warcraft, but I guess he's cooking a lot of things.
	You gotta switch it up sometime.
	He's cooking something.
	Sorry about that.
	Thank you.
	Welcome, everyone.
	You can read it.
	From the dating podcast.
	Anyways, cool, cool.
	All right.
	You can pause that.
	Okay.
	And then let me just make sure there were no chats that came through.
	Okay, we are all good.
	Did this one?
	No, I didn't.
	Okay, thank you, Matt.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Guys, like the video on your way out.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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