Whatever Podcast - RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick?!

July 8, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick?! | Dating Talk #176

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	Hi, my name is Kylie Hansen.
	I'm 21.
	I'm from Denver, Colorado.
	And I currently work as a nanny, and I am a student at UC Santa Barbara.
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	I'm studying political science and professional writing.
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	Majoring in political science, minor, and professional writing.
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	Hello, everybody.
	I'm Amy.
	I am 34 from Los Angeles and I am a podcast host of the Amy Ish Show and a 16-year military veteran.
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	Army.
	Okay.
	Rock and roll, rock and roll.
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	Tony McGuire got bit by a spider.
	Me must have been bit by a goat.
	Great to see you, Andrew.
	Okay, thank you very much.
	Andrew's, he's a little bit behind.
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	Thank you, Intel Wild.
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	What was your rank in the military?
	Staff Sergeant.
	Staff Sergeant.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	My name is Chase Carson.
	I am 27, almost 28 next week, and I am from California, but I moved around all over.
	And I work at Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital in the nutrition department.
	Are you a nutritionist?
	Barista, retail, like I make the coffee drinks for the doctors and stuff like that.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Daria.
	I'm from, I was born in Iran, came, grew up in Los Angeles for the most part since I was eight, and I'm currently just pursuing my tattooing business and working on my art shows and little short films and animations like that.
	Sorry, age?
	I just turned 30.
	30?
	Okay.
	My name is Jess.
	I'm 30.
	I'm from Bay Area, California.
	I'm a bartender, and I'm actually enlisting in the military.
	Oh my gosh, that's so cool.
	I leave in January.
	Sorry, age?
	30.
	30.
	What branch?
	What branch?
	I'm going into the Marines.
	Good for you.
	Thank you.
	Do they have age limits for 33?
	33.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Just curious, why, I guess what was the motivation?
	I come from a pretty hard background.
	I don't have much education.
	And trying to better myself in life, obviously being a bartender at 30 years old is pretty embarrassing.
	So I should probably do something with myself.
	And while working and supporting myself as one single human being, then that's the easiest way to get it done and not lose out on the lifestyle that I live, I guess.
	I just googled some things because some people in the chat were saying the age limit to enlist in the United States Marine Corps is 17 to 28.
	That's a lot.
	No, they have a lot of money.
	I was a recruiter.
	I was a recruiter for the military.
	I was a recruiter for the military for a really long time, almost six years.
	And they do have periods of time where they'll increase the age limit.
	But then also, depending on wartime right now, the military is having a really hard time with recruiting.
	So they opened it up.
	But also, they have waivers available as well, depending on what they're needing.
	I didn't sign any waivers, and I was fully welcomed.
	And they, yeah, I'm good.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	I am Morgan.
	I am, as of last week, 29.
	Also, East Bay.
	I am a, officially, as of a couple weeks ago, licensed lash technician.
	And I don't know if I missed anything else.
	Age, where I'm from, job?
	Yeah, I think you got everything.
	Hannah, 26 from the DMV, and I work in web design.
	All right.
	Where are you from?
	DMV.
	The DMV.
	Maryland.
	Oh, Maryland, okay.
	Who would not be talking about that?
	Well, I thought DMV, I thought I worked.
	Like DC Mary, she lives inside the city.
	I'm like, what does that mean?
	Did you say what you do for work?
	Web design.
	Oh, web design.
	Okay.
	Mason, what about you?
	Yeah, my name is Mason Gregoire.
	First and foremost, I'm primarily a Christ follower.
	My job is mechanical engineer, but I'm pivoting towards the Air Force.
	I want to go into Air Force Special Warfare, so I'm training up for that right now.
	That's awesome.
	Congratulations.
	Oh, yeah.
	28.
	Congratulations.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	And we have Andrew calling in here in any moment, guys.
	So he will introduce himself momentarily.
	Going around the table once more, what is everybody's current relationship status?
	So, are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, friends with benefits?
	Did I say that?
	Relationship.
	Married, married.
	There's so many different things today.
	Polycule, sex, cult harem, whatever it may be.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	Talking stage.
	Talking stage.
	All right.
	How long have you been in that?
	About a month.
	One month?
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Longest relationship, I would say, would have to be about a year.
	One year.
	Okay.
	Now, what does it mean for you to be in a talking stage?
	What does that look like?
	I think a talking stage is when you're still trying to establish if you're getting to know, like, you're still trying to get to know the person.
	Don't want to rush into things, but you're showing interest in them, but it's not clear if you fully like them yet.
	Still trying to get to know them and decide if you'd like to become official.
	Okay.
	How did you guys meet?
	We actually met in person through a mutual friend.
	Are you in a sorority or anything like that?
	No, I'm not.
	Okay.
	So was it like a blind date?
	Like, was it an intro or you just met at a friends gathering party?
	No, my friend invited me out for dinner and she also said that her friend would be there as well.
	It was a group thing and she was like, oh, I think you might be interested in him.
	And then we ended up hitting it off and we've been talking since.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And so are you guys seeing other people at all?
	Is he seeing other people?
	Are you seeing other people?
	Other people in the picture?
	I feel like that's not my business in the talking stage.
	Until we're official, that's not up to me.
	Well, what about on your end?
	On my end, no.
	But that's also because I'm really busy and I just don't have the time to right now.
	If he wants to see other people right now, that's fine.
	It's his business.
	But until we become, if we were to become official, then it would become my business.
	It wouldn't bother you, for example, if you found out he was in sexual relationships with three sorority girls.
	No.
	It wouldn't bother you.
	It wouldn't bother me.
	I'm not a jealous, I'm not a jealous person, and I think it's long, you just move on.
	Yeah, I mean, so you cut off the relationship.
	No, no, no, it wouldn't bother me.
	It wouldn't.
	I feel like it depends on the situation.
	I think you're giving like a very vague point.
	I think that I would have to sit down and talk with him and see where it get a gauge on the situation.
	But at the end of the day, if he wants to do that, that's his own business.
	He's an individual person.
	I'm not going to police him, put limits on him.
	So you'd continue seeing him?
	Well, it would depend on the situation.
	It's subjective.
	He's having sexual intercourse with three sorority girls.
	Not once, not an orgy, but like one's on Monday, one's on Wednesday, one's on Friday.
	But like sleeping with multiple people at the same time is okay with you?
	I think it would depend more on the situation.
	I think I'd have to sit down and talk to you.
	I told you this.
	I told you the situation.
	Yeah, you told me the situation.
	He told me in like a 10-second congo.
	I think that there's a lot more.
	Like not everything is black and white.
	I would have to probably sit down and talk with him.
	I would probably end things, but I'm definitely someone who likes to hear someone's full perspective before doing so.
	Yeah.
	I mean, yeah.
	So you would, when you say you would probably end things, it would bother you to some degree.
	Well, I think what you're describing is like a one-sentence kind of situation, and I think it's a lot more complex than that.
	I don't think so because I'm in the same, sorry to interrupt you, but that's okay.
	I'm in the same situation as you are.
	And as somebody as yourself, that's not sleeping with multiple people or dating multiple people and finding out the person that you're sleeping with and the climate that we are in as far as women and diseases and just things in that general area, that if you found out he was sleeping with three, four, five other people, you would be okay with that?
	Because absolutely not.
	Because I don't, I couldn't say I'm okay with that because I get it, do what you want, but for my own safety, for my own reassurance, for my own mental health, because while you're talking to someone, you're getting to know them.
	How can you get to know me when you're getting to know four or five other people at the same time?
	Yeah.
	Because you're not going to know me because you have this woman telling you this and that one and this one and that one.
	That doesn't make sense to me.
	I agree with your point.
	I definitely think that that's totally valid.
	I didn't disclose the nature of our sexual relations.
	I agree that it's important to practice safe sex and everything like that.
	No, for sure.
	That's important.
	But I'm just saying, like.
	Communication is key in that aspect.
	And two, while sleeping with someone, obviously that is very much a very close thing, that it's a very intimate thing.
	No, I agree.
	That is very hard.
	Then they have four or five other girls and you're just sitting there like, man, I hope he chooses me.
	Nope.
	I also think there have to be certain issues where you draw a line where you say, if you're having sex with other people, it's not going to happen.
	Like, there are certain things that you have to have a hard line.
	It doesn't matter what the reasoning.
	Say he says, oh, hey, I'm sleeping with three other chicks, but I have a really good reason for why I have.
	That doesn't exist.
	It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.
	So, I mean, like, he could speak on all of these things, but at the end of the day, it's absolute garbage.
	And you kind of have to.
	I'm going to sound stupid and cheesy for saying this.
	You have to respect yourself and be like, and you also have to respect that there are, there are things in a relationship you just don't do.
	And there are signs and markers in other people that just show that they have low standards and they don't really know what they're looking for.
	And they practice terrible relationship, whatever, strategies.
	You just kind of have to realize those.
	And it just seems like you're trying to be charitable and kind and be like, hey, maybe he has a good reason, but there's certain things where you can just be like, no, that's just not true.
	But that's not real because I guess that's like a social norm now, but that is not really a social norm because then you're in this relationship with this one person and you can sleep with five, six, seven people, and then all of a sudden you're going to get married and you can never sleep with anybody else again.
	So this talking stage, you might as well just talk to this person and be like, hey, you know what?
	I'm not seeing anybody.
	And if you're not seeing anybody, let's go and try and figure this out.
	But I'm not trying to be with somebody or me be with a million other people at the same time.
	Like, you're never going to get to know somebody while you have five, six, seven, or maybe even two people, three people.
	You're never going to get to know them the way you want to get to know them while having multiple people there.
	I do have to bring things on here a little bit.
	First off, also, I forgot to mention this.
	We're testing out the new audio mixer.
	So there might be some differences in the audio.
	I'm looking in the chat.
	Nick, have you been monitoring the chat?
	I asked them earlier.
	Is there, how's the audio, guys?
	It might be a little quiet.
	It could potentially be a little quieter than usual.
	Does it sound okay?
	A couple people are reporting some potential audio issues.
	So does it sound okay?
	Is it too low?
	TTS is echoey.
	I'm not sure entirely what that means, but She was done Okay, and also we have Andrew here, so why don't we have Andrew, go ahead and introduce yourself, please.
	Yeah, my name is Angel Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube, to my knowledge.
	I am a political analyst, political satirist, and I like to do debates every once in a while.
	So glad to be invited here, whatever.
	I think I've already tangled up with one of you over on Access Vegas.
	What's up, Andrew?
	Nice to see you again.
	We parted as friends.
	We parted as friends.
	Are you sure?
	Yes.
	Round two.
	Round two.
	Damn, are we picking our Andrew and I are actually on the same page on most things?
	They really are.
	There's just a few topics we disagree on, but it's healthy banter.
	But no, I really are on the same page on those things.
	I love that.
	Yeah.
	I will have to say, as before we get back into it, as controversial as people find Andrew, I definitely respect the genuine criticism.
	And what is the word maybe that might be better?
	Well, no, because I know that he's not listening right now.
	I'm just saying between me.
	I'm just saying speaking the mic for the audience.
	True.
	True.
	Definitely appreciate the.
	I'm sorry, I got moved on.
	Relationship status, please.
	I appreciate that as well.
	Making sense.
	I'm single.
	I am not dating anybody.
	Longest relationship?
	Four years.
	How long have you been single?
	I've been single for about three years now.
	All right.
	Single for three years.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been single.
	I'm single.
	I have been single for eight, seven years.
	I've been single for about eight, seven years, and longest I had was two, three, four months.
	About four months.
	Wait, the longest relationship was.
	Four months.
	Four months.
	But that was...
	Like back when I was like...
	And you're 28 right now.
	Yeah.
	So the last time you had like a three to four month or any sort of relationship when I was 21.
	Was okay.
	All right.
	So the four month, three to four month one, did you consider that a boyfriend?
	Girlfriend or not?
	They aged.
	It was like a weird toxic relationship.
	So it was kind of a relationship.
	And then it just ended up, they left.
	They ended up ghosting me without actually breaking up with me.
	And you're bisexual, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Of the people you've dated, predominantly men, women, mix of both?
	More men, but as I progressed into just being me, I ended up having female partners later on as sexual encounters.
	But you've never had a longer term thing with any women?
	Just casual?
	Just casual.
	Nothing like that.
	So recently, have you had casual encounters?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And so is this just something like you're not desirous of a long-term relationship?
	They never, uh, I don't try to search for them so much anymore.
	They always just find the whatever happens happens, honestly.
	Okay.
	So you have no desire?
	Like, do you want to get married, have kids, anything like that?
	I do, but the kid per se for me is not good for my mental health.
	I'm still trying to figure out what I want and who I want.
	But right now, just encounters are, to me, more freeing and not structured.
	Not permanent.
	When you say encounters are more freeing, what would an encounter look like?
	More sexual encounters are more freeing than other, like just go out for coffee.
	I'm like, no.
	I'm like, more casual.
	How do you typically encounter these encounters?
	A lot of dating apps, mostly.
	Dating apps or clubs.
	Going out.
	Bars, clubs.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But you have to be careful on who you look for.
	How frequently would you say you have these encounters?
	I was on a hiatus at the moment due to taking care of my mental status.
	So I actually haven't.
	It's been like a month or two since I last had an encounter.
	A month or two.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Have you ever just gone on a tear?
	What do you mean, a tear?
	Like binging the street?
	Yeah, and like, I do, but it's binge.
	I do.
	I used to have a whole bunch of like people like on my snap, but after you can only help them for, they can only help you with one thing.
	But when you really need them, when you're like bawling your eyes out, you need help.
	It's mistaken.
	Stop, Let her speak.
	Go ahead.
	Because you can't figure out if you can trust them.
	Like, I needed a place to stay before I moved to my new place.
	And I'm all like, okay, you always call me up at 3, 2 in the morning for a booty call.
	But when I ask to just spend the night and then I'll leave the next morning just to rest my head, you can't help me in that.
	Wait, so you're saying you're calling people who you've had casual sexual encounters with and you're crying.
	I am.
	And you don't have any relation, like any actual deeper connection or relationship with them.
	And the expectation there is that they be your shoulder to cry on?
	More I needed a place to sleep.
	Are you homeless?
	was there's a I was Okay.
	Just for a day before I can move into my new place.
	Always be careful on where you rent rooms from.
	But that's pretty much all I have to say.
	I forgot on what topic we were talking about.
	You said there were a couple people that you would have on your Snapchat.
	So would you have a roster?
	I would.
	Yes, I have a roster from I was more of the nerdy girl back in high school where nobody asked me out to where I kind of blossomed when I got old in my 20s and I started like, hey, guys have lists with us, like all the names on who they slept with.
	Let me count how many and see how high I can get to is what I thought.
	Weird goal, but so what's the roster currently looking like?
	I'm trying to make it grow.
	Right now it's only like 20, 21 right now.
	But most of them are repeat people.
	Wait, 20 to 21?
	Yeah, that's about it.
	So, wait, hold on.
	I don't know if she knows what.
	Okay, your roster is how many people you're fucking at one time.
	Sorry.
	Or talking to.
	Talking to at one time.
	I thought you meant the screwing list, like, how many people you fucked.
	Okay, I have a roster of.
	How many people are you talking to all at once?
	It used to be four to five.
	In a month?
	At a time.
	She's saying.
	At a time, yes.
	Okay.
	Because you know, when you're high on tender, you swipe down.
	No, I've never had a dating app.
	When you're what on Tinder?
	High on Tinder is what she said.
	High on Hender, just swiping right.
	You're like, okay, there's nothing going on right now.
	Let me just see what happens.
	Well, I've never had a dating app in my entire life.
	And that's just like me.
	Maybe as like a human, I understand that it's like super inner culture.
	And like, obviously, in our age group, I genuinely, from my bottom of my heart, don't believe in it.
	But five to six, that's like, and I get like all these dudes, and you were like, oh, I want to be like that.
	Why do you want to be like a man?
	That's crazy.
	Like, no, that's so bad.
	Don't do that.
	Shut up.
	You need to experiment to know what is right and wrong for you eventually.
	I mean, experimenting on what you need to do.
	But you will never understand what you want by sleeping with multiple men.
	You will never know what you want.
	I promise you.
	It's not everyone.
	I promise you as a human being, you will never become connected to one person by sleeping in a seven.
	I didn't learn that until you're going to be buy it.
	Yes, okay.
	You said, but you mentioned something about 20, 21.
	21.
	Hold on.
	Please refrain from judgment.
	I'm not.
	Okay, go ahead.
	21 is about the people I have slept with.
	Oh, the total amount of people.
	The total amount.
	I have the ages.
	I have the name.
	Okay, throughout your whole life.
	That's what you meant by 21.
	Yes.
	That's what I meant.
	But like at one given time, you said four to five.
	Four to five.
	Four to five.
	It was four to five because half of them don't message back.
	I'm like, you know what?
	I don't care.
	On and on.
	More on an audience.
	All right, chat.
	Can we, Nick, pull up chat for me, please?
	All right, chat.
	We're getting a lot of reports of there being audio issues.
	So I'm hearing that my microphone is too low.
	There's a ton of fucking issues with the audio.
	No, I'm being overweight to be in the Marines.
	Can you chat?
	Can you let us know?
	Don't even read them.
	That's why I told her before we came on.
	I was like, dude, they're going to talk so much shit.
	I'm not that overweight.
	I'm 5'10.
	We can't hear Andrew.
	I gotta adjust this.
	I think it might be you guys in the middle of the day.
	We can hear you.
	The audio is just super low.
	Well, they can't hear me because I haven't said anything.
	But I've been watching the stream too loud.
	There's nothing wrong with the audio.
	It just sounds different.
	So when you move your head back, it sounds a little bit louder.
	Look at his mouth.
	Because the mic next to you is catching up this, or is catching the sound.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Fucking.
	We're getting.
	Everyone saying I'm getting a bunch of mixed.
	People are saying echo.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So if you move your head back from the mic and you're talking loudly, you can hear the audio going through the mic next to you.
	Hold on.
	It's.
	Yeah.
	Nick, that tab we looked at before, scoot it over, please.
	Remember the audio bars.
	Let me see the audio bars.
	Scoot it.
	No, no, All right, here, just go around on relationship status while I get this fixed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's your turn.
	All right.
	Hey.
	Relationship status.
	Dating status, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Relatively recently broken up.
	So you're not.
	But also, like, talking to somebody.
	Okay.
	So when you say talking stage.
	And then you're talking staging.
	So when you say recently broken up, what are we talking about?
	Like a day ago, two weeks ago?
	Okay.
	Two months ago?
	Yeah, yeah, about something like that.
	How recently did you start talking to this new guy?
	It's not a guy.
	Okay.
	But I've also, yeah.
	I've known him for a while.
	Like, it was one of my friend's roommates.
	So we just, after that whole thing was over, so wait, so did you kind of like have him on the back burner?
	No.
	Just in case?
	No, not at all.
	She had her own thing going on and I don't know.
	We just like started hanging out a little bit more since I had more time, obviously.
	Okay, okay.
	Yeah.
	Fair enough, fair enough.
	And I was living with the guy, so like I came back and was with friends.
	Wait, so was your previous relationship a guy?
	Yep.
	Okay, new relationships, a girl.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How long is your longest relationship?
	Four and a half years.
	Gotcha.
	I was engaged.
	How recently was that?
	We separated in 2020.
	Okay.
	And I was single until about late 2023, early this year.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	I'm talking to someone.
	That's why I was trying to have that conversation with her.
	My longest relationship is eight and a half years.
	And I was single for almost five years.
	So that eight-and-a-half-year relationship, were you married, just dating?
	Um, we were...
	Hmm.
	Uh...
	We dated.
	Okay.
	I, yeah, I'll keep it at that.
	He has passed away since then.
	So he died in 2019.
	And I had a very hard time moving on with my life.
	Gotcha.
	So just recently, I have sought a lot of therapy.
	I'm not going to lie.
	That's fair, that's fair.
	And I don't have like any, like, and like, I don't have, I don't care to talk about it.
	So, so I have sought a lot of therapy, and I will say that it took me a very long time to understand that part of my life and move on from that.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	So now I literally just started talking to someone and was like, hey.
	Gotcha.
	Well, it's cool that you're finally at a place where you can.
	Yeah, and I mean, I've met people, obviously, within those five years, but it was never anything serious, and it was never anything worth while.
	No.
	We didn't hear TTS.
	You didn't hear the TTS at all?
	No.
	There's been no TTS.
	No, nothing has come through.
	So.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That's just.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Started something pretty recently.
	Yeah, you know, and like, I mean, I have obviously dated.
	You can't go five years.
	I am 30 years old.
	But it was never.
	I knew that what I was doing was never going to last because I was just in this very manic, sad episode that I needed to figure out on my own.
	So you're looking to get married?
	Oh, yeah, 1,000%.
	You know, my boyfriend at the time had kids.
	So when we were dating, we never talked about having more kids because he had enough kids.
	I was like, more kids.
	But now I'm like, sure, kids.
	Hey, Andrew, could you speak?
	Testing testing one, two, three.
	How's that?
	I'm hearing him loud and clear.
	Yeah, we can hear him.
	A little more.
	Tell me you hate me.
	Testing testing one, two, three.
	This is a test of the emergency whatever broadcast system.
	If you're hearing it right now, that means that there are audio issues going on.
	Women are going to be.
	Andrew's going to be the new one.
	They have been triggered by Alpha Chat Virgin Mason.
	That's what's going on at the moment.
	You can see that they're very flustered.
	They're even having side conversations, even though I know for sure that they were told before the show not to do that.
	I promise that they were, but still, they do it.
	It's girls gone wild in the whatever's dude.
	They can't help themselves.
	He's talking about us right now.
	Holy stop.
	Is that good, Nick?
	Yeah, I think that's good.
	Okay, I think we're good.
	And also, I'm not too fat for the military.
	I'm 5'10.
	What?
	I didn't relax.
	But somebody did.
	I read AMS creation.
	Don't look at it.
	Don't look at that.
	I'm not too fat.
	I'm 5'10.
	I'm 5'10.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Hold up, hold up.
	To be honest, chat, if she was too overweight, they'll make it.
	Maps are not awesome.
	Well, actually, that's not actually true anymore.
	Thank you.
	They actually have lowered their DMI standards.
	So they'll actually put her in a program if she is too overweight where they'll get her to the standards and then she'll go in.
	Okay, not that it matters to any of you, but I'm not.
	Anyway, I made 170 pounds.
	Okay, that's just fine.
	Thank you.
	We've kind of gone off the rails a little bit.
	Let's continue going.
	Dating.
	Yeah, so relationship status.
	I am single.
	Okay.
	I have been single.
	Traditionally single, I guess you could say, for the past two and a half years.
	And my longest relationship was without being on and off.
	I'd say two years.
	And yeah.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Single.
	I've been single for about a year and a half, and longest relationship a little over two years.
	Gotcha, gotcha.
	Your turn.
	My turn.
	I'm sad Brian's not here for this.
	So I guess in the eyes of God and the government, I'm single.
	But I am.
	I've gone on a couple dates with a girl.
	I'm not going to give any more information.
	Yeah.
	So it's like talking stage.
	What stage are we in?
	I'm not really like, I don't really believe in like the talking stage.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we're talking, but like we've gone on a couple dates.
	I'm not talking to anybody else.
	I don't think she's talking to anybody else.
	Exclusive.
	We're both pretty busy people.
	I think that's such a great question to ask like on a first date, like a first or second date.
	What is your version of talking stage?
	Are you seeing other people?
	We definitely touched on that.
	She's not totally a fan of the terminology talking stage.
	I think she's really serious.
	Well, if you're not either, that's probably exactly.
	We're kind of both really open about, hey, this is what I'm looking for.
	I'm looking for marriage, not looking for a casual thing.
	Yeah.
	And you said you're a man of God, so is she Christian too?
	Yeah, yes, she is.
	Congratulations.
	It has to be.
	If she's not, then I don't entertain it.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Is that hard to find?
	Well, it's okay.
	I'm just like, honestly, like nowadays, is that hard to find?
	It's not hard to find girls that say they're Christian, but ones who actually Ones who are walking that narrow path.
	Very, very few.
	Many walk the broad path and call themselves Christians, but very few that I've met actually walk that narrow path and follow what Jesus commands.
	And I ask, I do the same thing.
	I try my hardest to follow what Christ commands of me.
	And I ask they do the same.
	I take it seriously.
	You got to go to the microphone.
	Sorry.
	So that being said, you're, you said 28?
	Yes.
	Okay, so you're 28.
	So you're going to meet, try and meet another 28-year-old.
	Or younger.
	I'm not saying, but or younger.
	But in this generation, in this day and age, you're going to try and meet another 28 or younger that's never had sex or never not necessarily.
	Brian.
	And that's okay with you.
	Brian gets really mad when I look at her stand.
	Is that okay with you, though?
	I think that's his preference.
	Do you want her to have sex or do you not?
	I want to know.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Yes, preferably when I get married to her, I would very much like her to have sex.
	But until that point.
	Well, yeah, because I want to be intimate with my wife.
	Well, I mean, obviously have sex.
	It was a joke.
	Yeah, I know what you mean.
	But beforehand.
	Well, I mean, so the more sexual partners you have before marriage, the less likely you'll have a successful marriage.
	So I want somebody that preferably has very few sexual partners.
	So there's a greater chance of successful marriage.
	But also, it shows me that they take God's commands seriously.
	I agree with you on some of that, but I don't agree with you on some of that because it's okay to be 30 years old and when you decided to go on a date or you decided to date your first boyfriend at 15 or 16 and what you decided to do.
	And if you had like five or six partners, sure.
	So yes, I mean, don't have 20 or 30, but if you're over here having six or seven by the time you're 30.
	Well, if we look at statistical evidence of, so how many partners does it take for you to have a statistically relevant chance of having your marriage affected?
	So it's usually like five.
	If you have five or more sexual partners, you are 20% less likely to have a successful marriage.
	I believe in that.
	It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not.
	But I'm not saying that I understand that, and I'm not saying that, but I'm saying like, and especially with men, it's always okay that men don't.
	I love men, so I'm not going to bash on one at a time, one at a time.
	I don't think he's saying one at a time.
	So I'm not bashing on men.
	I'm not saying men anything, but for right now in the generation that we're living in, the climate we're living in, most men become sexually active very early.
	So for men, having five partners is not a normal thing.
	They tend to have higher partners.
	Well, okay, so in my statistical speakings, did I ever distinguish between men and women?
	No, no, no, no, but I am.
	Well, it doesn't matter.
	Statistics are statistics.
	Whether you feel like they're happy or sad, like it doesn't matter.
	They don't care about your feelings.
	They don't.
	The statistics show that after five or more sexual partners, you are 20% less likely to have a successful partner.
	You're already searching for something else.
	You're correct.
	But then you're about $69.
	Young Jamie's going to have a bad night today.
	Sorry, I meant Nick.
	What?
	Okay, okay.
	Could I try them specifically who's having a young bad day?
	One second, let me make sure that you're not going to be able to say that we're not done.
	Hold on, sorry.
	They made us hope.
	One person at a time, I'll bring you in and then I'll bring you in.
	You're fine.
	So it's five or more partners, but then that statistical likelihood of an unsuccessful marriage increases the more sexual partners you have.
	Yeah, because you're continuously searching for something that's never going to be there.
	And as far as dating multiple people at the same time, you're never going to find one because you always have these people doing different things.
	You'll never get to know them.
	You don't know them.
	Okay.
	Mine's like really quick.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Like, I don't, I've never, I haven't heard about that affecting like long-term relationships, marriages, and whatnot.
	Like, for example, even my own folks, they're divorced and neither of them were, you know, promiscuous or had more partners.
	The divorce.
	Exactly.
	You're just arguing against the money.
	No, they weren't promiscuous, though, and they didn't have multiple sexual partners or anything like that.
	Well, I'm not saying there are no exceptions to the rule, but if you want to have the greatest bet possible, if I want the most likely success story when it comes to my marriage, I want to make sure that they have as little sexual partners as possible.
	I'm also saving myself for marriage so I don't have all of that emotional relationship baggage.
	Oh, you're sorry.
	So I can possibly have a successful marriage leading into my 80, 90 years of life.
	You don't want multiple people.
	Where are we on the relationship status?
	We finished.
	We got everybody at the end.
	Can I just, I missed.
	Can you give me each or a quick recap?
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, quick recap.
	Newly single and also in a talking stage, fresh.
	With a guy or girl?
	Girl.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Longest was four and a half years.
	Four and a half, yeah, five, yeah.
	Okay.
	How long were you single before your talk current talking stage?
	To about four.
	Four what?
	About four years.
	So from 2020 to 2020.
	What about you?
	I'm currently in a very new talking stage.
	My longest relationship is eight years.
	Were you guys married?
	No.
	Kids?
	Engaged.
	He had four children, yes.
	Not her kids.
	Not my children.
	He had four children.
	Yeah, I'm asking you, though.
	Yeah, he had four kids.
	I have no kids.
	He's asking you.
	But I still take care of them.
	So I technically, yeah.
	Like, I can't tell you.
	And you still take care of them.
	No biological.
	I mean, no, no, I mean, they all graduated high school.
	So, but, I mean, they're still my kids.
	Brian, we lagged for a second.
	Some people are saying it's back.
	It looks fine.
	What about you?
	Same as last time.
	Way too far from the mic.
	Same as last time, still single.
	Oh, fuck.
	I'm going to get so tilted tonight.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Sorry, Brianne.
	Are you on something?
	We're really glossing over her being a Marine recruit with a former recruiter on the panel.
	Do literally one push-up.
	War is not a joke to some of us with several happening right now and more in the works.
	Just really quickly, I actually have been to Afghanistan, so I'm wondering if you have in the chat there.
	Okay.
	I don't think he's talking about you.
	No, he literally talked about it.
	I think he's talking about me because he thinks I'm the former recruiter.
	So there's a lot of people in the chats.
	Also, no, I was just reiterating: same as last time, still single.
	You're not, you didn't drink?
	I'm not fucking on heroin or anything like that.
	That's what you're trying to get at because that was brought up last time.
	No.
	You didn't drink anything before the show?
	Well, I mean, at like seven in the morning.
	Yeah, I did when I flew out here.
	I drink on the plane.
	Smoked weed?
	No.
	Why?
	Because of my eye?
	No, that actually has nothing to do with your eye.
	You just seem a little not totally together.
	I seem not totally together.
	Am I wrong?
	I don't know.
	Mason, what do you think?
	I mean, it's kind of like a little bit all over the place.
	What said that's all over the place?
	It's just kind of like we're trying to, we're asking you to speak in the mic, like always tending to the speaker.
	It's like an amalgamation of things.
	It's like not speaking in the mic.
	It's kind of getting flustered.
	It's like your mannerisms are.
	Okay, well, anyways, I am, yeah, still single, same as last time.
	Shout out to Michael, by the way.
	Blue for you.
	Well, I just recall you being on.
	Did I ask you that last time if you were on anything?
	No, but last time we did get on the topic of how I used to have a drug problem.
	So I figured that's why you were probably bringing that up.
	No, that's not why I brought it up at all, but I do recall your demeanor last time.
	No, my.
	What do you mean by demeanor last time?
	I was literally silent last time.
	Yeah, your demeanor last time you were a bit more lucid, I guess.
	Okay, I won't talk then.
	That's not what I'm asking you to do.
	I'm still single, same as last time.
	You don't need to repeat yourself.
	I was just, why?
	I'm just curious if you weren't like a little bit, maybe you had a little weed or maybe you drank a little bit.
	You seem a little defensive about this.
	Well, only because I figured you were bringing it up because of the topic that we talked about last time.
	That's the only reason I got somewhat defensive about it.
	No, actually, I. That's the only reason I did it.
	Every single week, every month, every year, we have over a thousand guests a year.
	So I honestly don't remember shit about anybody.
	I don't care.
	No, I don't care.
	I hear what you speak on the show, and that's the extent of what I remember.
	And then I try to, I try to like men in black erase all the bullshit that I hear from everybody.
	So I don't, I actually didn't recall that you were previously a drug addict.
	I was just making an assessment based on what I've seen in terms of your conduct thus far.
	Okay.
	Because I actually do recall you were a bit more lucid on the previous show.
	Well, yeah.
	So I was just asking if you had a little bit to drink before.
	Yeah, and I said I did when I first entered the airport at 7 a.m.
	Jet.
	Okay.
	Maybe like you took an ambient or you took.
	No, I took anything prescription?
	Did you take Adavan or something?
	What?
	That's prescription medication for anxiety.
	People will take it before they come on the show.
	No.
	Okay, maybe my assessment's off.
	What about you?
	Single.
	I've been single for one and a half years.
	Longest relationship, a little over two years.
	All right.
	Single for one and a half years, longest relationship two years.
	Okay, Mason, what about you?
	Oh, shoot, yeah.
	I said under the eyes of God and the state, I'm single, but I've been a couple dates with a girl now.
	You got a lady friend.
	Brian perks up.
	Okay.
	I didn't get to vet her.
	Yeah, you didn't.
	You will.
	He will eventually.
	Okay.
	We'll talk after the show.
	Yeah, she is.
	Virgin?
	She's 28.
	She's 20.
	I'm not going to give information like that.
	I feel like that's what him and I were just talking about.
	Like, how are you going to be a virgin?
	I'd have sex with a virgin.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm also not just going to err like a laundry out or clean laundry.
	Can you have sex with a non-virgin?
	Is that like allowed?
	Yeah.
	That's not like in the Bible, it's like you cannot have sex with it.
	How do you feel about that?
	Huh?
	How do you feel about that?
	That's weird.
	I mean, it's not weird.
	No, I think it's not ideal.
	So it's.
	Hang on.
	I'll tell you how he feels about it.
	I'm sure if he has a virgin wife that he marries, he's going to feel pretty fucking good about it.
	That's how I think he's going to feel.
	I think he's going to make a marriage.
	She's fucking awesome.
	That's fantastic.
	As a virgin, yeah.
	But ideally, yeah, it'd be awesome.
	But if you're a virgin, why is that terrible?
	She's not a virgin.
	What are you going to do with that?
	Well, it depends on what degree of it is.
	A guy going to go have an unspoiled woman to marry?
	Oh, that's creepy.
	What the fuck are you talking about?
	He got the itch.
	Well, no, but like.
	How do you know what to do?
	Like, what do you mean?
	I'm also comfortable.
	What do you mean?
	Like, what?
	What are you talking about?
	Well, I mean, obviously, you know what to do with that.
	That's not what I mean.
	But I'm like, okay, if he's done it before, if she's done it before, then what?
	Okay, so like, what are we talking about?
	Has she done it with like a hundred guys?
	Okay, say she's done it with three.
	Three?
	Okay, even one.
	You've never had sex.
	You don't know how sex goes.
	I'm pretty sure I could figure it out.
	I mean, yeah, you can, but you've never done it.
	You really don't know what happened.
	Let's be genuinely honest.
	Now, hang on.
	Now, I know that Mason is an engineer by trade.
	Brilliant man.
	I'm sure it's going to be too complicated for him to figure out where the penis goes.
	I'm sure that he's going to be super good.
	And like, okay, pretty much any athletic endeavor I've ever tried to conquer.
	I've been very successful.
	So you can conquer the game.
	I'll probably figure out pretty quickly and pretty successfully how to please my wife.
	But how does that make you feel knowing that she's been with this many people?
	That goes into a whole lot of other things.
	It's less than ideal.
	I would definitely say so because those are emotional baggage, there's relationship baggage.
	Is that emotional baggage?
	Oh, yeah.
	Because all of a sudden, you've made these 469U who donated $69 to the Fishnet girl.
	Are you just mad that Mason will never go for a girl like you or anyone?
	Who's a fishnet girl?
	Just because you didn't save yourself for anyone doesn't mean you deserve a king.
	I genuinely think Mason is probably a very nice man.
	Mason is nowhere near my type.
	I apologize, but not apologize.
	But no, could we be friends?
	A thousand percent.
	I'm just trying to understand your mindset.
	And like for women, and especially in this generation, because I have a hard time finding men that aren't wanting to sleep with 7,000 people at the same time.
	So with you saying you don't want that.
	Yeah.
	Well, it sounds like you may be looking for the wrong type of guys.
	Because there are guys out there.
	No, there are.
	Okay, so I can use my church as an example.
	I know, I know, I could list five guys off the top of my head.
	I'm not going to do it because I don't want to dox them online.
	But I know five guys off the top of my head who are incredible men.
	They make good money.
	They can provide for a family easily.
	Money means nothing.
	And I can only do that.
	No, no, and they're also really godly men.
	Like, solid guys.
	And girls won't touch them because, one, they're usually reserved.
	They kind of keep themselves.
	They're introverts.
	And girls don't usually like socially awkward dudes, but they would be incredible husbands.
	So maybe, maybe people are just kind of looking for the wrong type of person.
	Maybe people are generally going after the frat guy who sleeps around with like a million children.
	Think about this, this thing that you said.
	Right?
	I'm used to guys just wanting to hop everything that they see.
	And you look at Mason and you say, hey, I'm sorry, Mason, you're not my type.
	Perhaps there's a correlation here.
	I don't mean to say that.
	You're a type of person.
	And the type of guy who does that podcasts.
	The big difference is that Jerry Springer starts losing his mind 40 minutes into the show.
	Neighbor visual showing stigma to his ears.
	The one thing, Andrew, I will tell you is it's not that he's not my type because of his moral values, because I share those same values.
	It's just I don't physically find him attractive.
	And that's just me as a person.
	And that's just who I am.
	And I'm not trying to be rude.
	And that's not nice.
	I'm very confused, though, about this line of inquiry towards Mason.
	What exactly is it that you're trying to figure out here in plain English without beating around the boat, right?
	I'm not beating around the boat.
	I'm just saying, like, okay, so do, like, what do you want from a girl?
	Because you're just talking to a girl.
	Like, is she the same?
	Does she not have the same morals as you?
	Like, what are you looking for?
	It's not.
	Yeah, but he answered.
	He's looking for a chaste Christian woman who's going to be a good wife to him.
	That's what he's doing.
	But find that in this generation, please, because that doesn't exist anymore.
	Well, actually, I'm not saying it's not.
	What do you mean it doesn't exist?
	I'm not that woman.
	I mean, I wish I knew.
	Okay, well, I'm that woman, just to clarify.
	I go to church every Sunday.
	There you go.
	I'm that woman.
	Like, yeah, I do not sleep around.
	I'm very, very careful with who I do.
	No, neither am I. I'm looking for a husband only.
	Like, so I'm that woman.
	Yeah, no, but I don't mean that.
	So I think people get really offended.
	I'm not saying you're offended, but a lot of people will get offended by this line of questioning because it immediately eliminates most of the female population because most of the female population has been sleeping around.
	Whereas a good guy, generally good guys, are going to look for women who have not been whoring themselves out to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that walks around the streets.
	But I don't think so because I, regardless of the way that I dress or the way that I look, I am the same way.
	I can count on one hand the people that I have been with in my life.
	Get a little closer to the mic, please.
	I can count on one hand the people that I've been with in my entire life.
	That's awesome.
	Great.
	And I'm 30 years old.
	I am not, like, I'm not sleeping around by any means.
	And I'm not trying to look down on that, but I'm trying to understand as a man and this culture trying to find a wife, a girlfriend, or someone to be a companion with, how do you do that?
	Because people, even people that I know, people that I work with, people that I see, women my age, that is not real.
	I am an anomaly, even the way that I look.
	I can tell you how you go about doing this so that you understand.
	Step one, you go and you get a passport.
	And step two, you fly the fuck to a different country where chicks aren't fucking lunatics and insane, and you marry one of them.
	And then you stay there in that country.
	That's what you do.
	Like, that's what you do if you want to find one of those chicks because you're right.
	They are rare here.
	But not everybody shares the feminist lunatic values of modern American women.
	But I don't, exactly.
	And I don't, but I shouldn't really say that.
	I almost said something I probably don't want to get into discussion in.
	I am not the biggest feminist in the room.
	I'm not going to lie to you.
	So, yeah.
	That's not controversial.
	No, okay, yeah.
	She's it.
	She's it.
	No.
	I'm always.
	She's beaten cheeks, donated $200.
	Chat, can you hear this?
	Yes, on your side when I say this.
	It's just get into soft guy summer.
	You need a native figure salary earning woman to pay your bills.
	Beyond the 127 pounds and virgin.
	Drizzle, drizzle, and a passport.
	All right, beaten cheeks.
	No, yeah.
	So it is, yeah, you're right.
	It's very difficult.
	But just because something is difficult doesn't mean I'm going to lower my standards.
	No, for sure.
	And I apologize.
	It's taken a very, very long time for me.
	No, no, no.
	Yeah, no.
	We're just having a spirited discussion.
	I don't take this stuff personally.
	I'm passionate about this subject.
	I think it's important.
	I think people at home need to realize that this is an important subject.
	Who you spend the rest of your life with is extremely important.
	Which is the reason why I do not lower standards.
	And their values they bring to your home, your family, your kids, and things like that.
	And when you do lower your standards, terrible things happen.
	Yes, sleeping with that many people.
	Yes, it's correct.
	Men just don't want whores.
	It's pretty simple.
	We don't want whores.
	We don't want women who have high body counts.
	I mean, neither do we.
	We don't want the fucking town bicycle.
	I mean, you can't see Andrew hide that.
	Yeah, no, I just honestly.
	Yeah, no, and I wasn't, like I said, I wasn't speaking down.
	I was just simply.
	The higher the body count, the less deserving.
	True.
	The less deserving.
	That's honestly true.
	You're bringing, and what are you teaching my kids?
	And like, same with men.
	So you sleep with a million women.
	What are you going to teach my daughter?
	I'm going to leave your standard.
	Like both.
	It goes both ways.
	Well, that's honestly another thing with me, but women and men sleeping with never mind.
	But you're correct.
	Women should be very self-contained.
	You have no business running around doing that.
	All right, guys.
	TTS has been boosted.
	It's at should be at the highest threshold.
	If I ask a very quick follow-up question, go ahead.
	Yeah, so I'd like to ask you a question.
	You said earlier, I got it in my notes here, that you think you share the same values as Mason over there.
	Which values of those do you think you share?
	I believe that women should not be sleeping around.
	I believe that women should hold themselves in a higher standard.
	I understand the way that I'm dressed.
	I'm very aware of that.
	But at the same time, I don't believe that, how do we say this?
	Like, I would never want my children to look like me.
	I would never want my children to be a bartender.
	I would never want my children to do any of those things.
	I want my children to be educated.
	I want them to be respected.
	I want them to be somebody in this world.
	Well, then, why do you do that shit?
	To be perfectly honest, well, obviously, I come from a very hard background.
	And the way my education works, this is where I am financially in a freedom space and I can do what I can do.
	I just, I say that's with the most love.
	And I say that as a fellow woman who's been in the military, like, especially if you're going down the path of like going in the Marine Corps, I strongly encourage you, especially if you're advocating for your daughters and things like that, to dress differently.
	Act the part because you're going to bring shame.
	We already in the military community, women in the military.
	Oh, a thousand percent.
	We already deal so much, like in the super chats alone, et cetera.
	Like me, the fact that I'm in the military, I'm going to get a million comments tearing me apart.
	The way you're dressed right now is going to bring shame on the military female community.
	No, a thousand percent.
	You know what's really, really funny is I didn't want to wear this.
	A million people told me to wear this.
	A million people told, oh, this is fun.
	This is this, this is that.
	This is how I dress on a day-to-day basis.
	This isn't who I am as a person.
	This isn't what I wanted.
	But everybody, oh, you're going on this, do this, do this, dress this, do that.
	No, this is not who I am.
	Just to be clear, that's not from us.
	No, that's not from you.
	I'm not saying that.
	No, That is not from them.
	No, no, no, no.
	That is not from them.
	Then that is from my own personal situation.
	And that is something that I have to reflect on as a human being.
	And I will take that home.
	I will understand that.
	But I'm also very aware that, no, would I want my child?
	No.
	But I also tell you, I've heard you say a couple of times now that you come from a really hard background.
	I just want to give you, I want to pour into you for a moment, pour love, enlighten to you.
	So I too come from a really hard background.
	Like, you don't have to use that as an excuse.
	It's not an excuse.
	This is not an excuse.
	Hold on, but you keep saying that the reason why it's not choices.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	Me saying that I come from a hard background, exactly.
	It is a context.
	That's not me saying it's a choice.
	That's not me saying that this is a hard background and I'm not dressed like that.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I'm not saying the way that I dress has anything to do with where I came from.
	That has nothing to do with it.
	Because as a conservative woman, I can dress how I want.
	I mean, just observation here: conservative women would never dress.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	And that's fine.
	There's different tiers of women.
	But see, as a conservative woman, I understand where she's coming from because I have no standpoint on anything.
	It's really not.
	How do I say this without being mean, so I won't do it?
	So what I'm going to say is, I genuinely understand where you're coming from, and I see what you're saying.
	I do.
	Because I am very conservative.
	You may not see that in the way that I look right now, but I am very conservative.
	My moral views and who I am as a woman is very different than my appearance to you.
	And that has nothing to do with my background.
	Nothing.
	Sorry, I only said that because I thought that you were saying, no, but I'm not trying to make an attack on it.
	No, you're not.
	But I'm trying to explain.
	My background has nothing to do with my life.
	My life is about choices.
	I made the choices my entire life from the time that I was very small until now.
	I made the choices where I am now.
	But coming from a hard background, I say that in like...
	Can you guys wrap this up, please?
	Like, you each get one final question.
	No, no, I'm done.
	Go ahead.
	No, you guys can each make one final point, but I gotta move it on.
	Just move it on.
	Just move it on.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	Okay.
	We're gonna get into our first topic.
	Nick, I need you to start pulling it up.
	All right, Tobey Maguire, famous movie star, A-list celebrity, number one Spider-Man.
	I don't know, this was kind of going viral recently.
	He's 49.
	He's dating a 20-year-old actress Lily Chi.
	Scroll down a little bit, Nick, so we can see some of the other stories.
	It's on Daily Mail.
	People are having mixed thoughts on this.
	So he's 49.
	She's 20.
	And just pull up her, pull up the next tab.
	What's the next tab?
	Some photos here.
	So they responded to the party recently.
	What's the next?
	Click the next one.
	The next, no?
	Yeah, that one.
	Okay.
	So 49, 20.
	They're dating.
	Cool.
	So do you guys object?
	Any of you object going around the table to the agent right after this?
	Conservative women dress conservatively.
	As in, not look like a whore.
	As a real military vet mason, don't join.
	The military is run by feminists and women in awful roles thinking they know everything.
	Yeah, I love it.
	I'm a feminist.
	I love it.
	I've heard, I've gotten this comment a lot.
	I'm still going to join the military.
	The community I'm trying to get into, I'm trying to go into Aspec War, dominated by a lot of very conservative men.
	I know that there are aspects of the military that are feminist, pro-whatever.
	But from the pararescu men I've talked to, actual guys in the career field, has very little to do with the day-to-day job.
	The day-to-day job is still awesome.
	It still speaks to me at like a very deep level.
	It's exactly what I want to do.
	So I understand the sentiment.
	But again, if we want to fix the problem, not doing anything about it is not the way to go about fixing that problem.
	I think we need to be in there, especially as conservative men, we need to be involved in those spaces to fix the problems that are internal.
	And it's not going to happen if we just be like, ah, we'll just let it figure itself out.
	All right.
	Thank you, Bean Cheeks.
	Okay, so back to the topic at hand.
	Toby McGuire, 49, is dating a 20-year-old.
	Any objections there?
	So you're 21, right?
	Yes, I am 21.
	Okay, maybe you have some thoughts.
	I personally would not date someone that age.
	It would make me feel uncomfortable, but this situation does not affect me whatsoever.
	It's not my relationship.
	I can choose what I want to do as a person, but I'm not going to.
	I don't know.
	It's like a.
	It's an interesting story, but I don't see how it affects me.
	It doesn't affect you.
	I know.
	Right.
	But so, like, for example, probably there's conflicts out in the world that don't affect you personally, but you have thoughts on them regardless.
	Yeah, of course.
	So, I mean, if you had to just give us, you know, your own view.
	I hope that she's okay and she feels safe, and it's not like an imbalance of power and that she has thought a lot about it.
	That being said, I can't make those decisions for her.
	I feel like you can try to help someone as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you can really only help yourself.
	Well, for what reasons would you choose to help her?
	Um, I think I would probably just be like, hey, are you like, are you in a consensual, safe relationship?
	Is like, ask about the nature of it, see if it's like, but at the end of the day, it's not my decision.
	But so, you think just simply by virtue of the discrepancy in age that those questions would be warranted?
	I think it depends on the situation, but yes, I do, just because that is a pretty decent age gap.
	So, you would not feel the need to ask those kinds of questions, for example, if they were, it was like a 21 and a 21-year-old dating.
	Well, I feel like it depends on the context.
	You feel like there's a lot of instances where like someone can feel unsafe in a relationship, someone can feel like there's a power imbalance, and it's not just to do with age.
	Like, there's other factors as well.
	Like, what?
	Um, I don't know, just like if someone is acting in a toxic way, if someone is, I know there's certain topics that we can't talk about on this podcast, so I'm gonna refrain, But I think there's a lot of instances where there can be power imbalances in a relationship.
	Does it have to do with SA?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Um, I would say so, but I don't really want to talk about that more on the podcast because I know that's one of the topics we're not supposed to discuss.
	Well, how about I just give you a pass and you just use the word essay so that you can tell us what you're talking about?
	Um, as an ex-PJ, I let you know, lose weight, swim a lot, and learn to get beat down.
	It ain't about the muscles anymore, it's mental.
	Also, women won't win the age gap argument.
	It's just about the all right, thank you, being cheeks.
	Appreciate it.
	Um, okay, so I'm a little confused.
	So, something about power dynamics and these women being potentially essayed because of the power dynamic?
	Well, I don't necessarily feel comfortable talking about a topic like that because it is really sensitive, and it's I don't feel comfortable talking about that on the internet, so I'm going to refrain from that specifically.
	But there are power imbalances in a relationship.
	I've had friends where there is power balances and I know they don't feel safe in their relationship.
	And I'll check in on them, offer them support, tell them that if they need help, I'm here for them.
	If they need someone to talk to, if they need help getting out of the relationship, I'm here for them.
	But at the end of the day, if you're in a bad situation, the only person who can get you out is yourself.
	So you said you've had friends who you know who are in relationships where there's a skewed power dynamic.
	Yes, I think we can all agree as women that we've had friends that have been in toxic relationships.
	Age-based.
	Yeah, but power dynamics is a very specific thing.
	For example, you could be in a relationship where there is no power dynamic, but it's toxic.
	So I'm a little confused there.
	Are you conflating power dynamic with just toxic relationship?
	No, I think I was using toxic as a blanket term.
	But looking back on it now, I would say that I think it is very common for relationships to have a power imbalance.
	I don't know if anyone disagrees with that.
	They can, of course, interject.
	But when you say power dynamic, you say it's very common.
	You're in college.
	Yes.
	So even your girlfriends who are in college, who are dating other college, who are dating college guys, they're encountering power dynamics.
	Well, like you were talking about with SA earlier, SA does function on a power imbalance.
	You're holding physical power over someone else.
	So these women are getting essayed by their boyfriends?
	Yes, sometimes that does happen.
	So, why did you bring it up in the context of age?
	Because being physically more, well, so being physically dominant in a relationship between a man and a woman, the man is 99.999% of the time going to be more, going to be stronger, more powerful, able to dominate their woman.
	So why did this come in the context of Toby McGuire being 49 and his girlfriend being 20?
	Well, because I think it depends on the situation.
	It's not only an age gap, but if you asked me what I thought on the situation, I would just want to ensure that his girlfriend was okay and that there wasn't, it wasn't an uncomfortable situation that she felt safe.
	That's all.
	Why does him being 49 and her being, would you say, 21, have to do with her being okay?
	Why wouldn't she be okay?
	But if she actually liked him.
	Well, that is an instance.
	And I think that's totally a possibility.
	I'm not discounting that.
	I'm just saying that I'm trying to rule out that possibility.
	I don't know.
	Is it a G-word, the thing you can say?
	like yeah that's kind of what I'm that what you just referenced is what I'm alluding to yes I'm I don't know if that was an appropriate topic to talk about on here.
	Well, again, it doesn't really have anything to do with the age.
	Like, terrible men are going to be terrible men, regardless if they're 12 years old or they're 50.
	I don't even think this plays into a power dynamic.
	Neither of us.
	This is like, I mean, that's criminal behavior.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That goes beyond just power dynamic.
	Yeah, that's.
	I'm just confused.
	And there are normal human beings that an age difference, they have met somebody and they've found a genuine connection.
	It has nothing to do with anything.
	So criminalizing that, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's obviously they have really nothing in common at that point, but it's really like, it doesn't mean he's like growing her to be somebody.
	Like, that's weird.
	Yeah, I'm not saying that he automatically is.
	I wasn't saying that.
	I can also ask the inverse.
	Is she trying to take advantage of him for his money, influence, fame?
	Because it's extremely easy for women to take advantage of a man's resources.
	All they have to do is get some kind of legal precedent to where they can divorce, get half of their stuff, start getting a bunch of their income, and they have to do nothing for the rest of their life.
	And especially in Toby McGuire's case, it's a serious possibility.
	So I'm hoping, like, I assume Toby McGuire is a mature dude.
	He's 49 years old, seems like a mature guy, knows what he's doing, has identified this girl as someone who's going to be a good partner, loves him for being him, best Spider-Man.
	Yeah, and I'm hoping she does the same thing.
	It seems like I know nothing about their situation, but I would hope that they're in a good relationship.
	Yeah, I agree with your points.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Your reaction to the Toby Maguire thing?
	I think most women in their early 20s have no idea left, right, up, down.
	And Toby McGuire being 49 is being completely inappropriate dating a 20-year-old, 21-year-old.
	Why?
	Because he's mature.
	He's been around the planet.
	He's, you know, understands relationship dynamics.
	You know, I think that women that young should be dating much closer to their own age.
	And to your point about resources and things like that, the thing she's probably looking at is status.
	You know, she's looking at a high-status man with money, with fame, things like that.
	So those are the things she's attaching herself to.
	But in terms of, you know, being a woman of high value, you know, going after those things alone is low-value behavior.
	And it's his responsibility, being the older, more mature person, to date within the maturity level that he's at, not a very vulnerable young woman who is definitely going to be taken advantage of in other ways in terms of her body and her time and her energy.
	And she's going to be like falling in love with this guy when the chances of them actually working out are going to be pretty slim to numbers.
	Alone.
	Okay, there's a lot of buzzwords here.
	Vulnerable.
	Yeah.
	She's vulnerable.
	Yeah.
	He's going to take advantage of her body.
	Wouldn't that just apply equally back to Toby?
	She would be taking advantage of his body.
	No, I fully agree that there's some, there's an inappropriate match there, just age-wise.
	No, no, no, but that I think taking advantage of somebody typically doesn't that only go one way?
	No.
	Are you saying it goes both ways?
	I think it can go both ways.
	Absolutely.
	Like, but you'd have to evaluate their personalities, what their actual intent is, and all of that.
	But I, you know, based on observation, all we got here was a storyline, right?
	That's all we got.
	We got their age.
	That's all we know.
	Yeah, correct.
	29, 20.
	Yep, that's all we got.
	And so I just am saying that based on traditional, like not traditional, but the majority of relationships out there that are like that, the young girls are going after money, fame, status, et cetera.
	That's taking advantage of him, right?
	Okay.
	Yep.
	And then likewise, you know, he's going for the really young, vulnerable, easy, like, docile personality with a lot to, a lot of life to go still.
	Like, that's equal.
	Yeah.
	What do you mean by vulnerable?
	When you're in your early, when you're young, when you're a teenager, when you're in your early 20s, this is both for men and women.
	You're a sponge.
	And that's a vulnerable place to be where you're not operating from an educated, experienced position.
	They're vulnerable in terms of they're easily swayed.
	They're easily suggestible.
	So that's what I mean by vulnerable.
	Like they're a sponge.
	So do you think they definitely shouldn't be joining the military at that age?
	I mean, I joined at 17, but you definitely shouldn't have because you're a sponge and you're easily suggestible.
	Andrew then, you're just kind of a fool, right?
	No, that's completely different.
	Someone going to the military.
	Why is it completely different?
	Oh, I'll tell you.
	So when you go into the military like I did at 17, you're going into a safe, when I mean safe, I mean it's structured.
	There's laws and rules and regulations in place.
	Oh, because there's not laws and rules and regulations in place for relationships and for marriage, even though there is, right?
	Like you can't just randomly essay women, right?
	Even if you're in a relationship.
	There's still laws in place, even if you're not in the military, right?
	I don't know why you're getting so heated, Andrew.
	Well, I want an answer to the question.
	There's the tongue already.
	I want to know why you think it's okay to be, when you say sponge, right?
	Ah, they're just a sponge.
	You know, they have so much life left to live, girl.
	I guess I'm just like, what is your point?
	Hang on, let me finish, and then I'll turn it over to you.
	Okay.
	Hang on, let me finish.
	You say, oh, they're a sponge.
	They're just absorbed.
	They're easily influenced, right?
	And totally suggestible.
	These are your words.
	Correct.
	But of course, they should be joining the military because they're easily suggestible.
	They're like sponges.
	They could be easily influenced and doing things they ordinarily wouldn't do.
	The essay rate for women in the military sky high.
	Seems like it's a little bit of a contradiction there, right?
	No, I disagree because they're, one, they're two completely separate topics.
	Completely separate topics.
	The question was, do I think that they're that massive of an age gap is an issue?
	And my answer, in my opinion, is yes.
	I think it's an issue.
	I think like 10 years is appropriate as a max.
	But like once you start getting into like the 20s, et cetera, I think it's completely disproportionate.
	There are different areas of their lives.
	And that's my opinion.
	Like for your commanding officer, for instance, who's probably going to be much older than you are, right?
	That's so different, Andrew.
	Like one is a team.
	Why is it different?
	You're suggestible, which means you can't make good decisions because you're a sponge.
	You're always absorbing the things that are around you.
	This is your logic.
	The entailment of your logic is going to be a lot of fun.
	We can give each other the space to talk, but I'm going to let you go.
	No, you cut me off first.
	You cut me off first.
	I was in the middle of giving my answer.
	Hey, I'm done talking, and now you can't talk.
	Andrew, we've done this before together.
	I will, but once I finish my question.
	Stop talking.
	Let me finish.
	Andrew, I'm not going to take that from you or anyone else.
	I'm not going to take it.
	I'm going to get up and leave right now, right this second.
	I'm not going to do this with you, Andrew.
	Are you not going to have a discourse like adults or what?
	You can't finish talking until I start talking.
	I just have to come in and pick one of you to finish your things.
	Andrew gets to finish.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Okay, so anyway, your line of logic would still apply to other situations.
	If women are easily suggestible, they're just young sponges.
	They're just absorbing the things around them.
	You say these are two different situations as though I'm talking about them like they're the same situation.
	The logical entailment, though, would apply in both.
	That's the point.
	Are you done?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So first of all, I didn't specify women.
	I said young people, both men and women, when they're in their early 20s, are very suggestible, impressionable.
	They're sponges.
	That's what I said.
	So I wasn't specifically talking about women.
	We were not talking about the military.
	And the difference that I was trying to articulate was that if there's a 20-year-old, sorry, a 20-year age gap between myself, as an example, and a staff sergeant that's in charge of my platoon, his job is to train me, is to educate me, is to lead me, is to build me into being a soldier.
	That is not the dynamic of the particular male that we're talking about.
	Toby Maguire's job is not to teach a 20-year-old how to be an adult and a woman and to know her rights and to know her boundaries and her limits and what she likes and doesn't like.
	That's not to be a matter of time.
	That's not a staff sergeant's job either to teach you how to be a woman.
	They're two completely different topics.
	That's your logic.
	It's your logical application.
	Staff sergeant's job not to teach you how to be a woman either.
	Okay, when you're talking about a power imbalance, if you're saying that people are so young and impressionable, they can't make the decision of who they date based on an age gap, which is absurd, this logic should still apply to the situations that they can engage in, which is contractual.
	For instance, signing, oh, I don't know, a four-year contract for your life, right, that you then hand over to the government.
	If you're incapable of determining who you can or can't date, why in the world would I think that you could determine whether or not you signed your life over to the U.S. government?
	So hold on.
	Again, two completely different topics.
	I did not say a staff sergeant was going to teach me how to be a woman.
	A staff sergeant would be teaching me how to be a soldier, just to clarify.
	That's right.
	And in terms of the topic of, you know, them joining the military, et cetera, again, we're not talking about that.
	We're talking about whether I personally, the question was, whether I personally find an issue with a 20-year plus age gap.
	I personally find an issue with it.
	I don't think it should be illegal.
	Should the woman be able to decide to do that?
	Or a man could be reversed?
	Absolutely.
	It's their choice.
	It's their business.
	I'm just saying the question was, do I have an issue?
	And I'm saying I've never learned.
	So then here's what I'm doing.
	What I'm doing, right?
	And I'm going to use my best HR tone.
	What I'm doing is I'm taking your applied logic that you apply in this situation and also equally applying it to other situations to see if it's consistent.
	It's called an analogy, right?
	So in this analogy, if you have a personal problem with age gap relationships based on the fact that there's power dynamics and that the woman can be super suggestible to this 49-year-old who's super powerful and these all powerful zah, okay, then this would still apply to the fact that if she made other contracts or other life choices, why is it that she's capable of those?
	You have no problem, but you have a problem in the instance of her picking her partner.
	Again, these are two completely different scenarios with two.
	So you can keep saying that like we don't know that.
	Listen, Andrew, we just disagree.
	So I think we should move on because we definitely agree.
	We disagree.
	That's the argument.
	I'm not going to keep arguing with you.
	I'm not going to.
	So we disagree.
	That's my opinion.
	I don't need you to agree with it.
	I don't need you to find logic in it.
	That's just my opinion.
	So I'm ready to move on.
	Yeah, but I'm not really ready to move on.
	I'd really like the answer to this.
	You can keep going, but you're going to be all by yourself.
	Good for you.
	Yeah, you tell that mean guy who wants the logical consistency.
	I love you, Andrew.
	I don't think he's mean.
	I just think it's two completely different scenarios.
	It's not even the same thing.
	Yes, well, are apples the same as oranges?
	I'm moving on, Andrew.
	Are apples the same as oranges?
	Can you answer any basic questions?
	Is up the opposite of down?
	No, just nothing.
	We're just not going to answer any questions at all.
	What we'll do is we'll just take positions and never defend them.
	I'm not going to do that.
	I'm not here to debate you, Andrew.
	We've been through this before.
	What are you here to do?
	I'm here for the dating conversation.
	I'm not here for you.
	This is a conversation about dating.
	We're talking about specifically a person who's dating someone who's far older, and I'm testing the logical consistency of your position.
	But I don't need you to decide whether my logic about whether I think a 20-year age gap is appropriate or not.
	I don't need your approval on that.
	I didn't say you needed my approval.
	So then we're having a conversation.
	We're not a conversation when you're just like going to disrespect.
	Like, I don't need that.
	How is that disrespectful?
	Andrew, I'm not sure if you're a person.
	Are you going to use the HR thing?
	Is it the wrong tongue?
	Is it the HR tone?
	Are you going to give me the HR tone speech?
	Don't do the HR tone speech.
	No, I'm just, I'm not entertaining this, Andrew.
	I'm not, not today.
	Not today.
	Not today.
	Okay.
	I mean, if you don't want to engage, you don't have to engage.
	I'm in my heel girl era, Andrew.
	I'm not going to argue with you today.
	We're going to be friends again after this.
	Oh, I don't take any of it personally.
	I just, I don't understand why you take a position and then won't defend it.
	Because I'm going to tell you why, if you genuinely care to know, because we're talking about my opinion on whether a 20-year age gap is appropriate or not.
	I said no, right?
	I don't think it's appropriate.
	And you tried to bring in logic about someone joining the military, which is a completely different, like, not even in the same universe, topic-wise.
	Okay, so do you realize that if you bring up a hypothetical, for instance, that it's not going to map on to reality or the situation exactly, but you can still test the logic of a person to see if they're consistent with the music.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Just let you finish.
	Go ahead.
	So, all I'm trying to do is this.
	I get that you have a problem with an age gap, right?
	What I'm trying to determine is why.
	And if you have that problem, in this instance, I would assume that in an instance which was similar where these same traits are applied, you'd have the same problem.
	Makes sense to me.
	So, where, again, I'll just recap it one more time for you why it's totally different, why the logic cannot be applied to the same scenario.
	Okay.
	Because I'm talking about a young girl or boy, it doesn't matter what gender, going into a scenario where they don't even know they're left from right, they're up from down, they're brand new into being out of high school, they're just entering the world, et cetera.
	For a 49-year-old man or woman to come and pluck one of those two people up, you would my first question is: why do you have an interest in someone that young?
	Like, where is that coming from?
	Because they want to bang them.
	They think they're hot.
	What do you mean?
	And if it's consensual, have fun, right?
	But I'm just saying I personally find that disturbing.
	I don't think that's appropriate.
	Now, you want to know what's going on?
	What's inappropriate?
	Why is it disturbing?
	Because I think the 49-year-old, like, if you guys are just trying to hook up, go for it, have fun, whatever.
	But I think once you start, like, in this scenario, because the question, going back to what the actual question was, which is, do you think, do I think Toby McGuire and this 21-year-old girl, do you think, do I have, like, what's my opinion on that?
	I'm telling you, I have an opinion of that that isn't agreeing with that dynamic because that person is now in the limelight.
	They're surrounded by an environment where there's a lot of pressure.
	There's all of these different scenarios that they're going to be faced with, and they're so young.
	They don't even understand what that means.
	Now they're going to be painted as dating someone who could be their father, you know, in the news.
	Like, they don't have, like, I mean, I could just keep going.
	Like, I have a problem with that.
	So, then the same logic would apply the other way.
	No, it's completely different.
	Hang on.
	Is it my turn?
	Okay, I can just worry about what's going on.
	I think we need a safe word.
	So, I could swear that the logic would apply the exact same here.
	They're young and impressionable.
	They don't know, as you say, their left from their right, right?
	They're just plucked up.
	They're offered a bunch of incentives to do X thing, right?
	All of these things are true.
	Why is it that this woman, in this case, not even a hypothetical woman?
	Why is it that they're incapable of judging whether or not they can date somebody with a significant age gap, but somehow are capable of deciding whether or not, hang on, let me finish.
	But somehow they're capable of deciding whether or not they could sign a contract for four years of their life, entering into a situation they also have zero experience in.
	Completely different.
	First of all, I did not say you're adding in things I didn't say.
	So I did not say they're incapable of deciding whether they want to be in the relationship.
	I already said actually very clearly, more power to them.
	The question was: if I have an opinion on it, and I do.
	I think it's bad.
	And I'm not sure.
	But you're having an opinion, which is informed by a worldview.
	I'm speaking from experience.
	A worldview.
	Okay, you got to let me finish now, remember?
	We're doing this whole sharing thing.
	We're doing this whole sharing.
	I'm just clarifying so that you know.
	I'm speaking from a worldview, and I'm trying to investigate the worldview.
	Sure.
	So I'm speaking from experience because I was once a young 20-year-old girl 15 years ago that was in a situation.
	You guys can't be doing sidebar conversations when somebody else is talking.
	Go ahead.
	That was in a situation with someone significantly older than me, and it was not a good situation for multiple reasons.
	There is a power dynamic difference.
	I was uneducated about the person.
	I didn't even know what to ask.
	I didn't know what screening questions to ask.
	It was an inappropriate, horrible situation.
	And it was a very toxic relationship.
	And now, really quickly to address why I think it's so important that we separate these topics is the military is an educational system.
	It is a career.
	It is guided by instruction and education and purpose and mission and all of these things.
	It has nothing to do with that person on the romantic level.
	There's a difference between the military putting you in boots and someone trying to fuck you.
	Last time I checked, the power imbalance, which exists inside of the military, is such that the SA rates for women are sky high due to this power imbalance, usually from male officers who have a significant age gap.
	Far more likely to be SA'd in that than you are in an age gap relationship.
	I don't agree with that.
	Well, how can you disagree?
	When I'm a woman in the military, would you like the stats?
	Well, first of all, I want to know where you got the stats because a lot of people throw out stats and they're not even verified stats.
	Second, I've been in the military.
	Second, I've been through an SA case, et cetera.
	So I know a lot about SA in the military, and I promise you it's a very small number.
	It's a very small number of the military.
	And now, in terms of like, I'm not done.
	And in terms of like, if we're comparing, I'm not done.
	I'm not done.
	I'm not done.
	If we're comparing rates of people who get SA'd outside of the military, it's a much higher number.
	So I want to be really careful that we're not conflating the rates of SA between the military and the civilian community.
	I was going to clarify it or clarify it right now.
	We're comparing the rates of SA in an age gap relationship versus the rates of SA if you're inside of the U.S. military as a female.
	We're comparing those two.
	Those are analogous, right?
	So now we have, yes, because they apply to your power imbalance.
	Your whole argument is about a power imbalance.
	First of all, I don't have an argument.
	So if you're a woman who can sign on to a power imbalance in the military and you're actually more likely to be SA'd going into the military than you are to be in an age gap relationship, which is true, then I don't understand the argument of the power imbalance.
	That's what I don't get.
	So, okay, first of all, I don't have an argument.
	This is just my opinion, just to be clear.
	I'm going to go back to that.
	The question was: do I agree or disagree with it?
	I don't agree with it.
	I don't need to prove my point to you, and I would really love to move on.
	Well, I have a couple questions.
	So, I guess perhaps what Andrew's trying to get at.
	So, your issue with age gap relationship is the potential for harm.
	Is that one of the issues?
	Right?
	There's a potential for harm.
	No, no, no, that's not a problem.
	To me, like, I think there's a lot of successful relationships with that big of an age gap.
	So, it's not that.
	It's not, I'm not like looking at that.
	Well, then, why else would you?
	I mean, if there's no potential for harm.
	Yeah, I'm good.
	Thank you.
	Why else, I guess, object to it if there's no potential for harm?
	Your grievance with it seems to be the potential for harm to the woman.
	No, I just think that I'm more focused on the older person's reasoning for why they're seeking someone so significantly.
	So, make an argument for why a man who's 40 ought to date a 30-year-old compared to a 20-year-old.
	Like, what's in it for him?
	They're much closer in age.
	Like, so 10 years is appropriate to me.
	I would say that's like the math.
	Make a compelling argument in terms of the benefits then to the man.
	If your issue isn't so much the harm to the woman, make an argument as to why men ought to date a 35-year-old over a 25-year-old.
	Okay.
	So one, the woman, like if you, if the end goal is that they're looking for successful long-term marriage, relationship, family, kids, whatever, you would prefer to date a 35-year-old over a 25-year-old because the 35-year-old has a lot more life experience.
	That's not what I mean at all.
	Well, when you say more life experience, more trauma, more baggage.
	That's not what I mean at all.
	More sexual partners.
	No, no, no, no, you're adding in things I didn't say.
	Life experience.
	You mean relationship?
	not what I said right but I mean no you're adding in things I did not say Right, but so I'm you.
	Okay, go ahead, continue with your work.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I'm talking about life experience is in contrast, is in what they want and what they don't want.
	And I'm talking about jobs, career, where they want to live, who they want to hang out with, who they want to associate with, their ideology, their religion, whether they're spiritual or not.
	Like there's a lot of contrasting moments, which, by the way, I'm not at all talking about anything to do with relationships.
	I'm specifically talking about maturity in life.
	Maybe they've gone to college.
	Like, you know, there's a lot of different things that will help shape the woman and the person that they're going to become.
	Okay, so there's a couple things here.
	So you mentioned life experience.
	Do you think a woman's life experience is high on the totem pole in terms of what men find attractive or care about?
	To be honest, high-quality men would care about that.
	About your life experience.
	Yeah, high-quality men would care about that.
	So does that include both positive life experiences and negative life experiences?
	You know, for some people, I think conversations that I've had with extremely high quality men, I think they would care if you've had some contrast in your life so you can learn and grow.
	And how did you come to the conclusion that high quality men care about females' life experiences?
	Like what, how did you come to that conclusion?
	They told you?
	I've had a lot of extremely intelligent conversations with a lot of extremely intelligent men, very high-level men.
	And they absolutely, if they're appropriate and they have good intent to be married, to have a wife, to have a family, to have children, et cetera, those are the things they care about.
	A woman's life experiences is high on the totem pole.
	I can tell, based on your line of questioning, that you're trying to make a point.
	So just make the point.
	No, but I mean, again, I'm asking you, do you think that a woman's life experiences are high on the totem pole in terms of what men find attractive or what they value in the partner?
	If they, oh, so besides physical attraction, which I think is the baseline, I think physical attraction is absolutely the baseline, right?
	Okay, is a 25-year-old woman more physically attractive at 25 or at 35?
	Sometimes 25, sometimes not.
	If they've had some work done, they're probably a little bit better.
	Do you think you're 34, correct?
	I'm 34.
	Do you think you're more physically attractive now at 34 than you were at 24?
	Yes.
	I do.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we had this conversation before.
	You haven't seen me at 24.
	You don't know what I look like at 24.
	Well, I just know, like, sort of about aging.
	Sure.
	But the impact it has on your skin.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, we're not, your question was not about me, my physical body, but go ahead.
	Just one quick, quick point of clarification.
	I was kind of going through, I always take notes when people are speaking, right?
	Because I have a bad memory.
	But you did say that you didn't have any problem if they hooked up.
	You only had a problem if they were in a long-term relationship.
	Yeah, that was really weird.
	I don't understand that either.
	Sure.
	I was just going to bring that up.
	I'm happy to walk through this.
	And again, guys, this is just my personal opinion.
	I find it a little icky when there's an older man dating a super young woman.
	It's a little weird.
	It gives you the ick.
	It does, yes.
	It gives me the ick.
	It says give you the ick.
	It gives me the ick, Andrew.
	It gives you the ick.
	It does.
	It gives me the ick.
	This is just my personal opinion.
	Like I said, I.
	So it's fine if they have casual sex and never talk again.
	Listen, I said my personal opinion.
	This is just my personal opinion.
	If they're just hooking up, that's their right as consenting adults.
	Where I get concerned is when the older man is trying to like look at this person as like their wife and this poor girl who's like 21 years old has not even experienced any life in any way, shape, or form.
	That's just not gonna work out well.
	That's just my opinion.
	Wait, hold on.
	So just to be clear, just to be clear.
	Guys, I really don't know.
	Hold on, hold on.
	But okay, you said the thing, so I got to respond.
	So, okay.
	So, just to be clear, less predatory, less bad if the guy fucks her and never talks to her again, versus you said if they're just hooking up and that's it, but when the guy wants something a bit more serious, that's where you have a bit more of an issue.
	I think that them trying to date long term and like her become a wife at 21 years old to somebody who is double or triple her age is creepy.
	Unconventional man, and he was the one who caught that.
	He said I heard it.
	Did you?
	Yeah, did you know?
	Did you notice that?
	And I was like, Man, that's a great catch.
	I can't believe it.
	You're fine with short-term.
	This is my personal opinion.
	I don't need to convince you guys.
	I don't need to convince you guys.
	This is just my personal opinion.
	I think it's icky.
	I'm not even mad at her.
	I'm just like, dude, what are you doing?
	Like, go in your own age range.
	Like, get a little closer.
	Like, what are you doing?
	It gives me the ick.
	Okay, but so going back to the question at hand, so you said that you're kind of fine with it if it's just casual with the age gap.
	So if it's short-term, their business, they're consenting adults.
	I just find it creepy when now you're like at a restaurant and you look next to you and this guy's gray-haired and like could be her grandfather and she looks like she just got out of high school.
	That's weird.
	I find it really inappropriate.
	But so just I'll ask the question again.
	Yeah.
	You're okay if they hook up one, two, or three times and then that's the extent of it.
	But you're not okay if the man is desirous.
	I'm not okay with that at all on a personal level.
	But I'm saying it's their business.
	I'm saying it's their business.
	I don't need you to understand that.
	Isn't it also their business?
	I'm not trying to convince you.
	I'm not trying to convince you.
	That's cool.
	I'm just ready to.
	But I'm asking for clarification.
	Sure.
	Yeah, okay.
	So you're fine with it or more fine with it if it's short term.
	But if the guy is desirous of long term, that's your I'm saying it's none of my business, but you know, like if they're having a bad person.
	So wouldn't that be none of your business?
	Wouldn't that be none of your business if it's a long term?
	You asked me my opinion on seeing the news of Toby McGuire dating someone double his age.
	I said I don't like it.
	Right, but you made a statement.
	I'll repeat myself one more time.
	Sure.
	You made a statement where you said you don't really care or you don't mind if it's just kind of casual.
	They're just hooking up.
	Do you recall saying that?
	I do.
	Okay.
	And I did.
	So then that would seem to imply that you do have an issue then if it's more long term.
	If the older man's desirous of having a long-term relationship with her.
	Whereas if he's just like, eh, Caesar at the club wants to fuck, then that's kind of, that's quite a lot of people.
	And she's a consenting adult, et cetera.
	But where it gets weird for me is like, and this is for all young men and women, they're going to go through a few bodies as they're exploring a lot of people in general, right?
	Not everyone.
	Some people don't, but like I think that that's normal.
	That's normal.
	That's normal.
	It happens for guys and then Brian's rights.
	More life experience means more body count.
	But if you're asking me specifically in that scenario, but I'm just saying I don't think that that guy should be like getting married to someone who's triple younger than him.
	I did for five years.
	And now she's 20, now she's 25.
	Yeah.
	Too young for Leo.
	I'm just done, Brian.
	I'm done with this topic.
	Too old.
	You ask me my opinion.
	I don't like it.
	I don't need you.
	I don't need you.
	Yeah, but you said another thing, and now I'm trying to get to the bottom.
	I'm literally, you asked me my opinion.
	I gave you my opinion.
	I don't like it.
	But now I'm asking for clarification.
	But I don't need you to prove me right or wrong.
	I'm not trying to prove you right or wrong.
	I'm asking, you can't even answer the question.
	I understand you're trying to give your opinion.
	You keep saying I'm giving my opinion, but opinions are based on some sort of logical reasoning.
	Now all we're trying to do all Brian and Andrew are trying to do is try to figure out exactly what they're trying to do.
	What is that logical reasoning behind it?
	Because if there is no logical reasoning behind it, maybe your opinion is engaging your opinion.
	Yeah, that's true.
	I'm going to engage in your opinion.
	That's correct.
	Andrew, I just, I don't like it.
	I don't like it.
	You don't like it when I engage with your opinion?
	No, I'm talking about the dynamic.
	I just don't like it.
	Maybe, like, okay, that's fair.
	Move on.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Just to be clear, if I want to talk about this for the next five hours, we're going to talk about it for the next five hours.
	It is Brian's show.
	Now, I'm not inclined to talk about it for the next five hours, but if you wanted to move on, instead of kind of attempting to obfuscate and derail, you could just like.
	There was no derailing or obfuscating.
	I'm just saying I'm not going to be able to do that.
	I could just like answer the question.
	But I did.
	No, you just kind of say, I already answered the question.
	Now move on.
	Okay, Brian.
	You've been in a bad mood.
	Everybody should have.
	Yes, I have been in a bad mood.
	And you're taking it out on me right now.
	I'm not taking it out on you.
	I would engage with you just like this, regardless.
	If I had the most smooth pre-show, I would have engaged with you just like this, regardless.
	So that's not.
	Maybe a little bit nicer.
	No, no, I can attest.
	Brian.
	I would engage with you.
	I would engage with you.
	This is my ninth time here.
	I'll ask one final question and then I will move it on.
	So just as a point of clarification, can you answer?
	You said you don't object if it's older man, younger woman, and they're just hooking up.
	It's their business.
	But you do object, older man, younger woman, serious, long-term monogamous relationship.
	I would look at that older man and I would wonder what is going on with his mental health that he needs to date someone who is young enough to be aware of it.
	So he's mentally now older men are mentally ill for being attracted to young adult women.
	Yeah, that's creepy.
	It's creepy.
	No, it's a mental illness.
	I think so.
	You think it's a mental illness for men to be attracted to like a stacked 21-year-old?
	Like giant fucking titties, big fucking ass.
	Do you think it's a mental illness?
	No, no, Brian, Brian, stop.
	It's only a mental illness if they want to date him.
	It's fine to fuck them.
	No, I'm telling you, I don't care.
	It's just my opinion.
	It's my opinion.
	All right, all right, hang on.
	Let's lighten the mood.
	We'll lighten the mood, all right?
	Like, here's me throwing you a bone.
	You want to sing that I just got the ick song?
	I just got the ick.
	Come on, it's the ick.
	It is the ick.
	It's so gross.
	It is so gross.
	What are you doing dating your grandfather?
	I know.
	It's so gross of that chick to do that.
	So just to be clear, your position is men are mentally ill for desiring young adult women.
	So like 21-year-old women.
	It's mental illness.
	It's like, yeah, why would you want to date your daughter?
	What?
	Well, he's not dating his daughter.
	He's dating not to get her.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I just want to clarify your position.
	You originally said mental health, right?
	You were like, it raises mental health concerns.
	Yeah.
	I agree with that.
	And you're using the term mental health illness.
	Those are two very different things.
	You can have mental health symptoms.
	They're this.
	Okay, so articulate what she's trying to say when she says it's a mental health thing.
	Yo, Peyo, thank you for the raid, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, Peyo.
	Okay, so what mental health concern is there for a man to be attracted to a 21-year-old adult woman?
	What is the mental health?
	I was just asking a clarifying question.
	That's all I was doing.
	So you're trying to differentiate between mental health and mental illness?
	I was wondering if you were using the same terminology for mental health and mental illness.
	It's okay if you aren't.
	Okay, so it was like, first of all, it was an off-the-cuff comment, so it's not that serious, number one.
	But number two, I said I would be concerned about their mental health.
	Why are they dating someone?
	And hear me out for a second before you jump in.
	There's a lot of men out there who are dating women, sometimes younger or the same age as their daughters.
	Oh, okay.
	And because that's where the daughter comment came in, because you said, well, it's not his daughter, that are about the same age.
	Why would you want to date someone?
	First of all, I have a 15-year-old son.
	I would never, five years from now, when he's 20, I would never date someone.
	Okay, I actually have a rebuttal to this.
	So, does so you're saying that any characteristic which a child possesses, you must not then date a person who possesses the characteristic of your child.
	So, for example, if the skin color of your child is white, how would you, how dare you date somebody who's the same skin color as your child?
	Right, but that's the logical.
	Yes, that's it.
	I know that's not what you said, but do you understand how I'm trying to like make a comparison here?
	You're saying that if there's a trait that your child possesses, it then becomes weird and creepy.
	I do think that if you date somebody who possesses the same trait, so for example, if your child has blue eyes, you are then a predator for dating somebody who has blue eyes.
	That's your argument.
	No, it's not.
	I'm not.
	Dude, are you do you really think that's what I'm saying?
	Do you genuinely think that I'm saying that that's what you said?
	You literally just said that in your logic, any type of characteristic that that person possesses.
	Okay, but are you saying that I said that you said it verbatim?
	I'm selling because you're saying, Of course, I know you didn't say what I just said, but you're basically elaborating on something and taking it down a road.
	I didn't even, that wasn't even a thought in my mind.
	I don't understand this comparison.
	He's drawing a parallel comparison, like they're comparable.
	Or we could just stay on what I actually said.
	So, like, I look at you being 21 years old as, oh my God, let me take you under my wing.
	Let me help you out.
	Let me like, like, take care of you.
	But why does she need that?
	No, it's, I think, I do agree.
	Okay, that's what you do to the generation belt.
	I have a question.
	I have a question.
	Do you think a 30-year-old man is mentally ill if they found her physically attractive?
	Less than 10 years ago.
	It's a weird question.
	Less than 10 years ago.
	Do you think they're mentally ill if they found her physically attractive?
	There's the less than 10 years age.
	Okay, 35.
	I would be concerned.
	Like, dude, what are you doing with a 21-year-old?
	Yeah.
	I want to go back to your comment about young people doing sponges.
	I do agree with that.
	Your prefrontal cortex doesn't develop until you're 20.
	So should people be voting then?
	Nope.
	Should you be able to vote?
	That is.
	No.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Go ahead.
	Should you be able to vote?
	I think that given our current political system and how one vote, I think that's a hard one.
	I think that.
	Hold on.
	Okay, so let me ask you a question.
	Okay, so with your vote, you could elect a representative, a president, congressman, represent, whatever it is, who could send us to war, which could lead to a nuclear Holocaust.
	Do you think that that's a bigger issue than being able to have a romantic sexual relationship with a man who's 10, 20 years older than you?
	I think that's a very interesting comparison to draw between these two.
	Well, hold on, but with your vote, with your vote, with your vote, you can empower a representative who could send us to war, who could, that could result in conceivably some sort of catastrophic scenario where there's nuclear war.
	Do you think my vote individually would have that much of an impact?
	One individual vote.
	Yes, in election.
	Sometimes it can come down to just two or three thousand votes.
	Sometimes it can come down to just 20,000 votes.
	Yes, definitely your vote matters a great deal.
	So what Brian's ultimate point here is, is if your prefrontal cortex is not developed until you're 25 and you can't make rational decisions on who you will end up with, only a person with a prefrontal cortex, which is fully developed, can, then why would we give you the rights to do drive, vote, participate in signing contracts like the military, things like that?
	You're basically saying that you're not, you don't have the cognitive ability to make the decision to date older men, but you have the cognitive ability to run the nation and assist in that.
	And that's where the comparison is where you're like, what?
	Yeah, well, it's not even, it's not even make the cognitive decision to date older men.
	It's making the cognitive decision to make any wise dating decisions whatsoever.
	So should people before the age of 25 be dating at all?
	But we're still without logic, no, because they can't make logical decisions until they turn 25.
	We're so far from the actual question.
	You asked me my opinion on what I thought about 21-year-old, but now we're down like voting, the military.
	The topic shifted.
	Hang on, the topic shifted off of you because she brought up the prefrontal cortex argument.
	This is a very common feminist argument.
	Happens often.
	And I'm fine with the argument.
	I just am only fine with it if we can agree on the entailments of what that means.
	It's like if you're saying that a person's woman's prefrontal cortex is not fully developed until 25, and because of that, she's not making good rational decisions about who she can or can't date, then why would we let her make rational decisions about other things which have impacts?
	That's the point.
	She probably does it, like young people.
	She has a voice.
	She can speak.
	I'm talking about her.
	Yeah.
	Talk about her.
	No, I'll talk about the woman, the girl in the scenario.
	I'll talk about her.
	I'll let you finish.
	No, you go ahead.
	You're good.
	That's okay.
	I wasn't even talking about you.
	No, you're all good.
	I knew you weren't.
	You're all good.
	I think that is an interesting question to pose.
	I think that it also does come to the fact that I pay taxes currently.
	Do you?
	Yes, I do.
	I pay taxes.
	I work.
	I have had multiple jobs.
	I pay taxes.
	And I do think that under a democracy, I do think that my vote, I do think I kind of, even if my prefrontal cortex hasn't developed fully, 15 and 16-year-olds pay taxes.
	I'm not 15.
	I know, but 15 and 16-year-olds pay taxes.
	So that would mean that by the entailment of that, 15 and 16-year-olds should be able to.
	I'm going to go back to the question.
	Right.
	The original question.
	What?
	I said, I really just think we should all just go back to the original question.
	Yeah, I know.
	But why, I'm sorry.
	I know that the attention is not 100% focused on you right this second, but we're having a conversation with somebody else because I'm curious about the worldview here as well.
	If you say, oh, I pay taxes, so I should be able to vote.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	But then that would apply to all taxpayers, which would include 14, 15, 16-year-olds have part-time jobs.
	They pay taxes.
	Should they be able to vote?
	No.
	There's a question for you.
	I know.
	I'm taking a moment to think.
	Sure.
	yeah yeah no problem personally don't think that I would be able to give an answer on that right now I don't know.
	I think that I'd have to think about it longer.
	And I think that we should move on to the next person and keep discussing.
	I was simply just trying to add on that I agreed with one of your earlier points, and I respect your opinion.
	I was only trying to do that, and that has led us down a million gajillion rabbit holes.
	I think that we should continue moving around.
	So are you just conceding the point then?
	Well, there's no point to concede to.
	You asked me my opinion.
	I gave you my opinion.
	And you guys, like, vultures are like, hold on, let's talk about the military and voting and all these other things.
	I just said it gave me the ick.
	I don't like it.
	And I don't need you to agree or disagree.
	Well, I think what do you mean like vultures?
	Andrew.
	You and I have done this before.
	You and I have done this before.
	Oh, you mean when I was in a room where I was outnumbered nine to one?
	You're not outnumbered.
	Did I traumatize you in a room where I was outnumbered?
	You never traumatized.
	Really?
	Are you serious?
	Andrew, you're not outnumbered.
	That should be outnumbered nine to one, and I was the vulture.
	Like, what?
	No, I didn't say that.
	And you weren't outnumbered at all.
	There was like five guys on that show.
	No, there wasn't.
	There was the host, and the host stayed silent for the entirety of the show, except Sartine who moved it on.
	It was me and one other guest.
	It was me and one other guest.
	No, there was Michael.
	I pretty much got to go.
	Yeah, the host.
	Those are the hosts.
	They didn't say shit the whole show.
	They didn't say anything the whole show.
	That doesn't mean they weren't there.
	It was all women versus two guys, and the other guy barely said anything.
	So I don't know if you, how we were the vultures, but okay.
	All right.
	Well, I do want to get the other panelists in on this.
	So back to the original thing, Toby Maguire, your thoughts.
	Thank you.
	No, I'm trying to reel it all out.
	You had a lot of time to think about it.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's a lot at once.
	Okay, he's 49, she's 20.
	Your thoughts?
	I believe it's anybody's opinion against their own because I have been and I have known people in age gap relationships or casualties to where I'm like, I know one couple that is still together to this day.
	I believe she's 18 and he's 40.
	And they've been together for, I think it's 20.
	I might have the age difference.
	They met.
	But they met when she was 18.
	Yes.
	She said she's 20.
	No, it's highly.
	I think we can all really object to that.
	It's a consensual relationship.
	I have been to their place to where I'm like, they pretty much act like an old married couple.
	So when they met, she was 18 and he was 40.
	Yes.
	but in terms of reality check donated $200 So, mid-world lady basically called all men mentally ill.
	Congratulations.
	Now all your potential partners are mentally ill.
	Have fun with that.
	It's actually true because most men are attracted to young adult women.
	Yeah.
	Well, what about if it's the opposite?
	Well, the women go after that.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Just let it, let me clarify again.
	First of all, I did not say that if they're attracted to younger women is a problem.
	I said if they're pursuing someone the same age as their daughter, that's weird.
	That's weird.
	And I think that's a good idea.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let's say there's a 50-year-old man with a daughter and a 50-year-old man without a daughter.
	Is there any differentiation there?
	No, I feel like that generation.
	But they're the same age.
	I think like a 20-year gap is so.
	So answer the question.
	Answer the question.
	What is your question?
	What's the actual question?
	A 50-year-old man without a daughter and a 50-year-old man with a daughter.
	They're the same age.
	Do you object to them both?
	Yes.
	But he doesn't have a daughter.
	I'm saying that it could be a large age gap.
	It could be the daughter's age.
	That large of an age gap is gross to me.
	It's gross.
	And going back to the mentally ill thing, I don't need you to agree with me.
	I don't need you to agree with me.
	Okay, so it's not a problem.
	I don't need to agree.
	It's a mental illness, though, for men to be attracted to like a 21-year-old.
	Not to be attracted, but why are you dating her?
	Why are you dating her?
	Why are you dating her?
	Yeah, I absolutely think that's weird.
	I think it's weird.
	I'm going to last follow up that I'm going to be able to do it.
	I think it's weird.
	I'm not going to do that.
	And then I agree.
	We've kind of beaten the dead horse.
	Yeah, I think it's weird.
	My last follow-up: Would you ever accept for me the argument that I do not condone LGBTQ because I find it to be gross?
	Would you ever say that that's okay?
	That's your opinion.
	That's your opinion.
	So, like, if you wouldn't question my opinion, though, if I wanted to vote to legislate it or things like that, then would you oppose it?
	It's not my opinion.
	Would I have to have justifications for it?
	It's your vote.
	You can do whatever you want with your vote.
	So, you wouldn't even question it.
	You would just say that.
	If I had a problem with it or not, I have a problem with it.
	So, what if somebody said that they didn't like other races because they find it icky?
	Would you say anything about their opinion then?
	Again, I'm talking about my opinion here.
	I'm talking about my opinion.
	So, you have no opinions about anybody else's opinions, even if you disagree with them?
	I didn't say I had an issue with them being attracted to younger women.
	I said I have an issue with them pursuing the younger women.
	I don't really care.
	Yeah, but it gives you the ick.
	But if the argument is just it's ask your question, Brian, because I just did.
	But if the argument is just it gives you the ick, then I don't couldn't I use that argument for basically any form of discrimination I could ever think of.
	Sure.
	And would you have anything to say about that, or would you just be like, oh, that's fine.
	It's your opinion.
	Well, I didn't come to argue, first and foremost.
	I didn't come to argue or debate.
	We didn't come on to the next dating topics.
	I did not come to argue.
	So that's why I'm saying we should.
	Well, did you just come to monologue?
	I came to have a conversation, not to argue.
	That's what we're doing.
	No, we're not.
	Bad conversations become adversarial.
	No, no, we're not.
	When you guys are laughing, rolling your eyes, like making statements and comments that basically try to invalidate my opinion and things like that.
	With laughing.
	Wait, wait, hang on.
	Yes, it's okay for me to make arguments that invalidate your opinion if I disagree with it.
	One, and two, do you think that we have the monopoly on eye rolling in this conversation?
	Really?
	If you're having just like a regular conversation, there's a respect while we're exchanging ideas, but that's not what's happening here.
	What's not happening here?
	It's like three, four people at a time jumping in to like basically invalidate that person's opinion.
	Yeah, what if their opinion's wrong and you want it to invalidate?
	Like, for instance, if you were a racist, as you said, I don't like X-ray because I find it icky.
	What would be wrong with four of us jumping in and going back and forth with that person one at a time in order to invalidate a bad opinion?
	They're two completely different topics.
	No, the logic is exactly the same.
	The justification is.
	It's not the same.
	They're different topics, but the logic is the same.
	The definition of ick is ick.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	Anyways, did you give an answer?
	Yes.
	Did we get an answer?
	Yes.
	What was it?
	I think it's to each their own as long as they're consenting adults.
	Okay, so no issues with Toby Maguire 49 dating 20-year-old Lily.
	Well.
	Okay, your thoughts.
	Yeah, I don't have, I don't think that's weird or anything like that.
	Okay, you're fine with it.
	I don't care.
	They're adults.
	They want to do it.
	Wait, can you just scoot your mic to the edge of the table?
	They're adults.
	They can do what they want to do.
	She's 21.
	Apparently, it's an adult.
	You should probably scoot your chair in.
	No problem with it.
	I could not care less.
	Women tend to mature quicker than men, anyways.
	I would not date anybody my age.
	Did you guys just show up to show?
	What about their Abdullah oblongata?
	I mean, their prefrontal cortex, though.
	Did you ever think about that?
	What about their free frontal cortex?
	Never even thought about that, did you?
	You just thought, well, they mature faster.
	See, that's not having a conversation, Brian.
	That's where now you're being addicted to it.
	I'm not afraid of your joke.
	I know that you're allergic to laughter and having any sort of a good time, but you know, it was clearly a joke.
	That's where you're like being disrespectful.
	That was the opposite of disrespect.
	I was making fun of you by laughing at her.
	I didn't say anything about that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you have any further thoughts on the water?
	I think there are other reasons besides mental illness that a man would be interested in dating someone who's younger.
	My roommate and I discuss this topic regularly where we don't want to date someone who's over the age of like 30, 31, 32.
	Because one, they all have all of this extra life baggage.
	Like, why have you matured now?
	What took you so long in your life to be like, okay, now I'm going to start considering marriage specifically.
	Two, I'm wondering, am I going to be able to actually have a family with you?
	I know women have a clock and it's ticking.
	I want to have a bunch of kids.
	I want to have a large family.
	That's really important to me.
	I don't want to spend the first five to 10 years of my marriage deprogramming all of that emotional baggage, all of that trauma, all of that, whatever word you want to use, whatever buzzword.
	I don't want to have to spend all that time doing that at the same time as trying to raise a family, maybe having your emotional trauma baggage poured into the kids, into those impressionable minds.
	I don't want to have to deal with that.
	So I understand why a man, any age, whether that's 49, whether that's 20, would want to date a woman who's a little younger.
	It makes sense.
	And there are other reasons besides mental illness that they would want to do so.
	Do you want to walk back the mental illness thing, or you're pretty confident in that?
	I said that I'd be wondering what's going on with them mentally, that they would be attracted to someone 20 years their junior.
	So no, I'm not walking back.
	Because before you said date.
	I'm going to date to like to be if they're attracted.
	Yeah, I'm just saying.
	So just by virtue of being attracted to a 21-year-old woman.
	Listen, I'll go in a little bit further here, okay?
	When I have conversations with people that are 20 years younger than me, or let's say, you know, just to keep it like a 20, right?
	Sorry, what?
	I'm looking at them as like they're immature.
	They're not experienced in any way, shape, or form.
	They're vulnerable.
	They're impressionable, right?
	They're eyes wide open, dear in the headlight, right?
	To me, if a man is 20 years older, and by the way, somebody said in here that chat right there, like 30, 30 is appropriate.
	But I'm talking about early 20s.
	They're barely out of high school.
	And if you're going to consider like one, being with them, having a relationship with them, settling down with them, et cetera, like you're preying on them.
	It's like they're not even on the same level as you.
	Like, what do you have in common with someone 20 years your junior?
	They probably can't even name a pop artist from your generation.
	Okay, so okay, there's a whole lot there.
	You said pray, you mentioned the commonality thing.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What in general do men and women have in common to begin with?
	There's so much.
	That, hold on, that would be sufficient enough to, just on the basis of having a commonality, would be like, I'm wanting to date this person just on the basis of us having shit in common.
	Said no one ever.
	That's not true, Brian.
	And it's literally not true.
	Have you ever known a guy who you had the most in common with, but you didn't end up dating them?
	Yes.
	I mean, I have friends that I have a lot in common with that maybe because there's chemistry and sexual attraction.
	But would you agree?
	It's clear then that having commonalities is not high in the totem pole of it matters.
	I disagree.
	I disagree.
	Pop artists.
	I don't give a fuck what kind of music a girl listens to.
	And if she's dating me long enough, she's going to like my shit.
	That's so weird that you would like suggest that she would have to like your shit.
	That's not what I said.
	But she will.
	That's not what I said.
	Yeah, I know.
	I don't disagree.
	I don't think a 20-year age gap gap.
	I just think a 20-year age gap is a lot of fun.
	I brought it up as an example.
	It's just a random example.
	So then, cultural touchstones.
	Oh, we watch the same shows.
	We both listen to the same music.
	I think having things in common.
	If all you care about is your sexual attraction, period, and that's where you end it.
	I just want to clarify.
	Just clarifying concept.
	I think liking the same music is far more superficial than what you're trying to suggest here by there's a sexual, the sexual component.
	Who your favorite pop artist is, same music.
	That's just one example of having something in common.
	Okay, what are some things in common that would warrant me to date somebody?
	I think you should have a lot of things in common.
	I think you should enjoy doing the same things, going to the same places, hanging out with the same people.
	Okay, I'd like to say that.
	I would say the only thing really is like morals, maybe.
	Right, but morality, maybe.
	Well, no, no, no.
	disagreeing or agreeing with either but i'm saying as far as agreements the only thing i could see that would make sense to me personally would be maybe morals religious if you're a religious person maybe right but religion based you could but but there's nothing having good morals and having a hold on let me finish Exactly.
	Hold on, let me finish.
	Having good morals and having a religious worldview, you could be 21.
	No, 100%.
	Involved in your faith.
	No.
	You could be 45 and be an atheist.
	100%.
	I'm just saying that's the only thing as far as if you want.
	I'm just saying, as far as being agreeable or having things in common, that's the only thing I could see as far as being justifiable of wanting to have those things agreeable.
	Being in the same things in alignment as far as morals and religion.
	I'm not saying you have to be the same age.
	No, yeah, I'm not saying that has to be an age.
	Make an argument for the commonality component here.
	But don't you want to date people that they're going to teach you something?
	No.
	I mean, not teaching.
	Don't be taught.
	Not teach you something.
	I guess that was the right word.
	That wasn't the right word.
	That wasn't the right word.
	So, like, you like that kind of music because that's what she brought up.
	You like that kind of music?
	I like this kind.
	I've never heard that.
	Sure.
	Let me hear it.
	You want to do that?
	Sure.
	It's a commonality.
	It doesn't have to be a commonality, though.
	It is more of just being in agreeance with sharing.
	Why do opposites attract, though?
	Why is that a thing?
	Like, some people have something, and then the other person completes that.
	And that turns into a menu.
	Wait, so just to be clear, so commonality, that's super important.
	I think it's important.
	I have things in common.
	I think so.
	I don't think it's important.
	I don't have anything.
	You think for either men or women, people are looking at like, oh, we have so much in common.
	If that were the case, you would be, if commonality was really up there, wouldn't people sort for that?
	So, first of all, when you ask me these questions, like the whole like smug, like, I know better.
	I know that, like, I already disagree with you, but you're asking me.
	He's a pop star.
	Okay.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	No, I go to a table.
	Wait, hold on.
	I'm going to finish something.
	I'm going to finish something real just to be able to do it.
	We're having a conversation if that's what we're doing.
	We're having a conversation.
	Let's have a conversation to be open to other people's ideas and opinions and views and walks of life.
	But that's not what you're doing.
	So am I. I'm open.
	I'm actually open to having my mind change.
	We can have a volley of conversation, but like the whole, where I have an issue with these types of conversations is when you already are getting ready to just to make a point to like flip.
	I'm already ready.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	But it's like you're not even like open for the conversation.
	So why are you asking me the question?
	Listen, I think that's a fair criticism.
	If you're opening up, so I'll tell you, I'm totally open to having my mind changed.
	In fact, I hate cognitive dissonance.
	That's a thing that I despise.
	I've tried to get rid of as much cognitive dissonance in myself as I possibly can.
	Totally open to having my mind changed.
	That's why I love having combos like this.
	Yeah, well.
	Absolutely.
	But the thing is, are you willing to have your mind changed?
	I would be open to it for sure, but where I'm specifically referencing- Well, how can we do that if we don't?
	Hang on.
	I'm almost done.
	I just want a quick yes or no to that.
	And the reason, here's why.
	If you're open to having your mind changed and we're having this conversation, how in the world could I change your mind without showing you if we apply this kind of thinking or the rigidity in thinking of I got the ick and then take it to its logical conclusion and you see that the position itself is absurd, how else can I get you to change your mind?
	Can you actually explain that to me?
	I actually do want to know the answer.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	So I think it's really difficult for you to completely change the topic in the sake of parallel ideas.
	You should just stay on the actual topic and maybe ask onion layer peeling questions about how did I get to that logic.
	So then you would understand where I'm coming from and you could even have an intelligent conversation and where maybe there's holes in my logic on that topic.
	Great.
	Then let's start with how have you come to the position, the position that an age gap relationship is icky?
	I'm going to answer that in a second.
	I will answer that in one second, but I want to finish what I was saying to Brian.
	Like, see, like rolling your eyes, shaking your head.
	Because it's a meta-conversation.
	It's not meta.
	It's just you being a true person.
	I sure do.
	What is it?
	A meta-conversation is where you're just ice layering on top of each other, where you're not actually addressing the topic.
	That's not a meta-conversation.
	Meta conversation is a conversation about the conversation.
	Yeah.
	That's exactly what I meant by the layering.
	You're talking about the same thing.
	So what I want to, like, I think it's really important to address, we all drove here and came here for your show, right?
	Okay, meta-conversation.
	No, You're literally having a meta-conversation.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	But if we're going to have a conversation, we can have a conversation.
	But when you're being disrespectful, that's not a conversation.
	Well, see, when it comes to the eye rolling, when it comes to the eye rolling, see, perhaps you might view it as disrespectful.
	But for example, if somebody were to say, Brian, I want to argue with you about the fact that I think that the sky is red.
	I don't want to argue at all.
	I already said that.
	Okay, if somebody says something ridiculous, so ridiculous that it warrants an eye roll, I don't see any actual objection there.
	If somebody is going to say, Brian, the sky's not blue.
	I don't even know how to have that conversation.
	And some of the eye roll comes from you saying, I mean, I actually find it quite almost despicable that you want to paint men.
	You said men pray.
	Men are predators.
	Men are mentally, you would question their mental health.
	I mean, that's very objectionable language because you're essentially painting almost most or all men as having a pathology, which I object to and I find ludicrous.
	And when it comes to this commonality thing, I just find that absurd.
	I mean, why even engage in it?
	Because it's just ridiculous if you genuinely think that commonality is high on the totem pole in terms of what people find attractive.
	I completely disagree with you.
	Do you disagree that in terms of my assessment of what you've said?
	You've pathologized all men or most men.
	You think they're predatory?
	You think they're praying?
	You said pray.
	I said if there's a 20-plus-year age gap, let's be clear.
	The 20-plus-year age gap.
	Yes, that's the context of which I'm addressing this.
	Did you say the word pray?
	When there's a 20-year age gap, yes.
	Okay, so, but you also said it about even men who find them attractive.
	You did say that too.
	Yeah, I think it's weird.
	Why would you...
	Okay, and you think it's predatory?
	You think they're praying?
	You can't do it.
	You think they're praying.
	Right.
	So you're pathologizing.
	So there's the justification for my eye roll.
	It's just an absurd statement.
	Well, that's my opinion.
	Well, so I'm not sure.
	Andrew's trying to get into this.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Listen, it's perfectly acceptable to have an opinion, and I do want to hear it.
	Like, that's why I come on these shows because I enjoy hearing your opinions.
	The reason that I enjoy hearing your opinions is because often, and I've had to change my mind multiple times about different positions that I've had, especially after starting whatever, because I didn't know very much about modern dating.
	I didn't know very much about how this stuff went at all.
	And I've been forced to change my opinions many times because I was suffering from cognitive dissonance.
	There's no doubt about it.
	There was many things which I had a completely skewed view on that I no longer do after engaging in these panels.
	So I do want to hear your opinion, but I think you got to listen to ours as well.
	I think that that's kind of the fair exchange.
	So my olive branch here is like, look, we've engaged before, right?
	And you know that if you give me your opinion, you're genuine, I'm going to get, I am going to deconstruct it a bit, but we don't even have to be disrespectful about it.
	We just go through the opinion and figure this thing out.
	Yeah, I agree with everything that you just said when it's done respectfully, but when it's like, it's so clear, like we're not even having a conversation with your clothes off.
	Don't tell them police.
	It's telling policing.
	Well, what's happening right now is what I perceive is happening right now is you're unwilling to engage with the argument because you're feeling offended by the tone.
	Whereas you could be generous to the other person.
	Maybe you could even say, Brian's a little immature in his delivery.
	That's fine.
	But if you're a mature adult willing to engage with the actual argument that's being posed, I can put away the immaturity.
	I can put away the disrespect.
	I've had plenty of people on panels before really disrespect me in how they say things, but I still genuinely engage with the argument that's being presented to me regardless of how they say it.
	And I think you should be able to do that as a mature adult.
	Now, I'm giving this as like a critique to your argumentation style.
	So instead of attacking somebody because of the way they say things, I attacked him.
	So you're, okay, maybe I want to say that.
	I think women have a hard time sometimes making that their own.
	Okay, well, see, there it goes again.
	Well, there it goes again.
	Because I use the word attack, you're unwilling to engage with what I'm saying right now.
	So maybe instead of, so if I say attack, maybe you can translate in your mind to say, okay, maybe he's making an argument or we're having a spirited discussion.
	Maybe I'm not going to judge him based on the tone or the words he says.
	Maybe I want to interpret the meaning he's trying to get across with saying what he's saying.
	It's just, it's a really immature way to go about having a discussion with somebody, judging them based upon the verbiage, the language, and the tone of what they're using.
	I got this.
	Okay, dully noted.
	Anyways, why don't you engage with Andrew?
	Go.
	Okay.
	Noted.
	Dully noted.
	Go ahead, have the conversation.
	I do genuinely want to know how you came to this opinion.
	Well, one, I'm a woman who was once in her early 20s, and I did engage with, want to be clear, I'm not saying sexually, but like I did have conversations.
	I did have men hitting on me.
	I did work in environments, et cetera, where there was a lot of men that were acting predatorily because I was so young, impressionable, and easy to coerce to do different things, go different places, et cetera.
	I've had a lot of negative experiences with men that are much older than me.
	And now that I'm older, my number one piece of advice to younger women is try to just keep it around the same age as you.
	Like, I don't think 20 years, 30 years older than you is appropriate.
	That's just my personal opinion from my personal experience.
	Andrew, I have something on this.
	Okay, yeah, sure.
	Go ahead, Brian.
	Yeah, so I mean, so you mentioned that you dated men who were older and there were bad experiences.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Don't doubt that at all.
	But I also hear from women, for example, who date men their own age and have also bad experiences.
	So it's not clear to me that it really matters.
	If you're trying to avoid bad experiences, I don't see really what age has to do with it.
	A guy the same age as you can be just as or more abusive and controlling as an older guy.
	Sure can.
	I just, again, my personal opinion, based on my personal lived experiences, is that there should be a smaller age gap.
	I say 10 years is roughly the max.
	Okay.
	So I have a question.
	So when you're guiding women, because you said this was your number one piece of advice for younger women.
	And I didn't get that wrong.
	I'm not strawmanning that, right?
	You did say that's your number one piece of advice.
	Yeah.
	Do you usually guide them only via anecdote?
	Clarify what you mean.
	Like only your personal experience.
	I also, you know, I take into account, you know, who that girl is, their experience, like, you know, a lot of different factors.
	But in general, young women who are in their early 20s, fresh out of high school, you know, maybe newly going into college.
	Fresh out of high school.
	When you graduate when you're 18, fresh out of high school is two years ago.
	That's not that fresh, but okay.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	All right.
	Well, I understand.
	I mean, let's say within five years, it's fresh.
	We'll just say that for the kind of like the sake of however it is that you feel.
	But do you understand?
	So when I talk to different men, I don't actually give advice, right?
	I make sure not to, because if I'm not intricately familiar with a person's personal situation, I feel like I could actually make it worse if I gave them bad advice.
	So I tend to stay away from advice giving at all.
	But one thing I do tell people, and this is the one thing I'll tell anybody who listens, is there is a proper way to think.
	There's a proper way to think and there's an improper way to think.
	And so when I listen to you kind of go through this, what I'm looking for is how is she thinking about this?
	Why is she thinking about it this way?
	And why is she arriving at that conclusion?
	Because most people come to improper conclusions because they have not been taught to properly think.
	So if we start with an anecdote of you have bad experience with X, that really doesn't mean shit ultimately, right?
	It would actually be improper thinking to say, because I had negative experiences in field X, that therefore other people are going to have negative experiences.
	You would want to look at kind of the whole in order to make a good conclusion before you were to give somebody advice, right?
	You would agree with that, wouldn't you?
	Same as statistics.
	I don't really think it's that deep, though, Andrew.
	I'm just more referring to, you know, when I do have younger women approaching me and talking to me about their male situations, you know, I will go off of what they've shared and I will encourage them to date within their own age range.
	Can I ask you a question about that?
	But I mean, that has vast implications for a person's life, right?
	Like, I mean, yeah, I mean, it does.
	Giving a person advice about who they should or shouldn't date has massive implications for the outcomes of their life.
	Well, when I'm asked for my advice, I am sometimes will give it.
	Not always.
	Yeah, sure.
	And I understand.
	That's okay.
	There's plenty of people who give advice when they're asked and this type of thing.
	I tend not to.
	But don't you think that if you're a person who does give advice, that you should be coming to proper conclusions before you give it out?
	Sure.
	Yeah, so when we're thinking about this, the reason that I'm gauging what you're saying and the reason I'm diving into what you're saying and the reason I want to change your mind about what it is that you're saying is because I think you're coming to an improper conclusion based on bad thinking.
	And I think that I can assist with that.
	And so that's why I want the opinion and why it is that you think this.
	And if all you can say is it's justified via ick, there's no way in the world because you could justify anything with ick, right?
	You could justify any discriminatory behavior with ick.
	You can justify hating women with ick.
	You could justify hating men with ick.
	You could justify anything with ick.
	So that would be improper thinking, wouldn't it?
	I don't know, Andrew.
	This is, again, just my opinion.
	What were we going to say?
	My question is: so, when I sit there and I look at men my age, where I'm from, most of them can't tell their left-ass chic from the right.
	Okay.
	So when I sit there and I say I look at men 30 plus years old because they know what they want, they've been through life.
	They're ready to settle down.
	I'm sorry.
	How old are you again?
	I'm 26.
	Or 26.
	Okay, 32.
	So 30, 40, 50 year old men.
	That's who I tend to look at.
	Right?
	Because they have their shit together.
	They know what they want.
	Men in their 20s, men in their 30s, they don't know what they want typically.
	It's very, very rare to find that.
	So I don't necessarily agree with your point of they should be closer together.
	Like I said, women tend to mature significantly quicker than men.
	I know a lot of women in their 20s who are ready to settle down, but the men aren't.
	I have one question for you.
	Would you prefer, here's the scenario.
	So a woman dates a man who's, say she's 21, dates a 35-year-old.
	Just really quick, do you object to that?
	Age gap?
	It's getting a little out there, but it's not as bad.
	It's enough to give you that.
	It's 40.
	Yeah, it's not as bad as 40.
	So let's say he's a good guy.
	He wants a monogamous relationship, doesn't cheat on her, wants long term.
	Or would you prefer to see that woman, say, in the period over the course of two years get kind of strung along by like fuck boys her age?
	Which do you prefer?
	I think if the guy is like genuinely a good guy and actually interested in her, like for more than just her physical looks and her appearance and the fact that she can pop out 20 babies, like there's actually like care for her, then I think that a 35-year-old, 21-year-old, it's pushing it for my personal opinion.
	But I think that that, to your point, would be a better scenario than her.
	Does it change if she's 40?
	Or sorry, sorry.
	Excuse me.
	Does it change if he's 40?
	I just, again, I just wonder why, like, out of all...
	No, but, okay, so the question is, in this scenario, he's a good guy, monogamous, wants a long-term relationship with her.
	It raises more questions for me.
	Right.
	Right.
	But would you rather see her in the situation with the older man who wants to have a long-term monogamous relationship with her is not going to cheat and be loyal or for her to just be hoeing around and sleep with 20, 20 frat boys her age?
	Which would you prefer to see?
	I mean, I prefer them both to be settled and have a lot of questions.
	I literally have it at this stage of their life.
	So there's two options.
	Which would you prefer to see?
	The 21-year-old and the 35-year-old?
	Okay, so well, I changed it to 40.
	So 21 year old.
	I think it's starting to get weird at 40.
	But I do have to.
	You've already said that.
	I know, but I was in the middle of saying I would prefer to see them both like settled and happy.
	And again, it's a little uncomfortable for me, but I would prefer that for both of them.
	Over her sleeping with men.
	And him, yes.
	What do you mean?
	Well, because it's really common in these particular red pill settings that, like, is this a red pill setting?
	Come on.
	Are you fucking retarded?
	I'm sorry, what?
	There was an option there.
	Bro, you dropped the prop.
	Why didn't that kind of come out?
	Well, I mean, probably shouldn't play with props.
	Brian, you don't need to be so rude.
	Can I make a comment as soon as.
	Like, why would you call me fucking retarded?
	Because, I mean, you dropped the prop, it's on the floor now.
	You haven't done anything to pick it up.
	Well, I would, but I'm a little distracted by you calling me fucking retarded.
	Yeah, I mean, here's the tone policing again.
	So.
	Wow, here, Brian.
	Is this a rage quit?
	No, I'm not rage quitting.
	You're just so disrespectful.
	Like, who are you?
	Hang on.
	Listen, it's hang on.
	It's been super hostile.
	Let's finish the combo.
	You don't want to finish the combo?
	It was kind of fucking retarded.
	It was also insulting.
	The mental illness.
	It was a little.
	I don't want to hear the rude.
	Can I make a quick comment?
	Well, yeah, it happens.
	I can agree with you.
	Yo, Desmond, you can't be on your phone right now, man.
	Are we.
	So we see you late.
	Happy birthday to you.
	I'm just getting down.
	Are we still not that tired?
	Or can I still comment on this?
	What happened to that?
	Doesn't exist anymore.
	We need to start bullying people again.
	Bring bullying back.
	I know.
	Bray bullying back.
	Some people need some thicker skin.
	What's up?
	It's lovely.
	Everything makes my eyes roll.
	I'm going to tell you right now.
	You can tell me you hate chicken and I'll be like, well, that's dumb.
	But that's just my face.
	I mean, we need you to.
	We need you to leave.
	We need you to leave.
	You can't just be hanging out back there.
	I'm putting my shoes on.
	Okay.
	Unless you want to come back, participate in the panel.
	You don't.
	You can still come back, participate in the panel.
	Come on.
	I know for sure you've heard way worse than anything that's on this panel.
	The minute we all got here, I don't know.
	He didn't hear me.
	Tell you what, I'll apologize for calling you a retard if you sit back down.
	That's fair.
	I apologize for calling men mentally ill.
	It'll be a genuine apology.
	That's fair.
	Wait, we can't.
	I mean, we were having a good time.
	It was a good discussion, honestly.
	I would like to get back to it.
	I mean, did she not call you guys mentally ill and disgusting?
	Sorry, say that louder.
	Did she guys not comment on men being mentally ill and disgusting for that?
	That was a good idea.
	Yeah, but I mean, so what?
	That's every feminist who ever's on the show.
	I just take it with a grain of salt at this point.
	I'm willing to do an apology.
	I'll do an apology.
	Yeah, but you do your backfall, period.
	That hair is.
	Yeah, it's just.
	I don't feel like you're willing to do that, Brian.
	Weren't you in the military?
	Like, I'm just confused.
	Is it this sort of banter?
	Like, are you really that ill?
	You don't answer.
	You just literally just leave it hard because I'm not.
	You fucked up our prop.
	You fucked up the prop.
	Brian, it's not that big of a problem.
	Or arguing.
	Like you're different ideas of setting whatever.
	So cool.
	Cool.
	Bro, you're killing it in the tone policing department.
	So you can sit back down or you can leave.
	I mean.
	Yeah, honestly, sit back down.
	We can get back to having a good combo.
	It was getting good.
	She said, fair, definitely.
	She's already gone?
	She's actually gone.
	I guess, Morgan, we're going to have you sit in that chair, I guess.
	Welcome to the panel, Morgan.
	I almost saw it.
	Come on, which one are you guys?
	Just before we wrap this up.
	Uh, yeah, all right.
	Well, you know.
	Can I say something regarding that?
	Just like an opposite opinion, at least?
	I mean, I was 21, and one of my most meaningful relationships was with a 42-year-old man.
	And he was not predatory.
	He didn't make me do anything I didn't want to do.
	I felt like I brew with that person more than anyone closer to my age.
	And I've even dated people younger than me.
	I've like kind of understood both sides of that aspect.
	And it really doesn't mean like the age aspect is like the deciding factor of how, like, I don't know.
	It's not gross.
	Unless it's, you know, I mean, we all know what like that level gets to.
	Gross people are gross people regardless of age.
	Exactly.
	And it still kind of depends on the state of the woman, whether, you know, when she's 20 and 21, the lifestyle she's lived.
	Are they meant to share?
	And that's the thing, too, is you can get a lot of people saying that it's gross for a man to want to be an older, older man to be attracted to a younger woman, but yet there is very rarely, I feel like, any talk about women that seek out older men.
	If you wouldn't mind on the mic, can you put your mouth in front of the mic itself?
	Because otherwise, the audio sounds kind of funky on this end.
	Can you hear me better?
	Yeah.
	I was saying that I feel like it's there's I'm not saying it's never talked about, but I feel like it's definitely not as common where you hear this talk a lot of basically it's icky and it's gross for older men to be attracted or seek out younger women, but yet it's not as talked about where you get younger women seeking out older men for their resources.
	Because let's be honest, that's usually why they're seeking out older men.
	Because they're more established.
	They're more that's like a majority.
	Somebody's not going to be able to do it.
	You're saying her mic is not on mine or hers.
	Yeah, there's something seriously wrong with the audio there.
	With mine?
	Yeah, with just your mic specifically.
	Did she pull that down?
	So what it sounds like, Brian, is it sounds like she's kind of underwater a little bit?
	Can you hear me now?
	Yeah, that sounds way better.
	Better?
	It's her hands.
	It might have been me.
	It might have been me Tutwa.
	No, now it's back.
	Now it's back.
	It's just that one mic.
	I don't know.
	Joey's waiting for me.
	Bro.
	What do you want me to do?
	I still think we need to talk about the retard thing.
	Maybe you can switch seats with that way.
	You got her mic.
	I don't know.
	I don't think switching wouldn't.
	That doesn't make sense.
	No, no, no.
	If she switched with Helmet Girl, because Helmet Girl, you know what I mean?
	Then she has the mic.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Can you hear me now, Andrew?
	Well, I gave her mine.
	She has a name, Andrew.
	Yeah.
	I gave her mic.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Are you guys wearing name badges?
	No.
	Like, am I. How many names should I remember?
	Okay, so here's what I'll do from now on.
	It'd be Tiffany 1, Tiffany 2, Tiffany 3, Tiffany 4, Tiffany 5.
	How about we just do it?
	Would that make you feel better?
	I want to be Brittany.
	Wait, what do you want me to do?
	$200.
	I was drinking milk from a fresh bowl of cereal that I happened to spill on my shirt.
	I called myself a retardant and then proceeded to walk out on myself because I was so offended.
	Now that is meta.
	That is pretty meta.
	Good prayer.
	Quick little thing though, like it, like, is the same thing like apply to like older women that go for younger men?
	That seems pretty like normalized out.
	And also calling men mentally ill and then getting called retardants, but you just called all men mentally.
	Whoa, that's a really good point.
	She called all bad.
	She's mentally ill.
	She called.
	What did you let all retardant?
	She called all men retardants, but I say I call her a retardant.
	She's a hunted.
	That's fucking the game.
	Good catch.
	Good catch.
	Alyssa.
	Alyssa.
	Hi, Philip.
	40 minutes ago.
	Some of you guys, okay, so every man's mentally retarded, but she's not.
	And that is very unrespectful.
	I think she was digging.
	I think she was looking.
	She wanted that.
	She was looking for just any pretext or justification to leave.
	Well, no, that's what I was kind of getting at with the fact that when I said women like to not be wrong, hey, that might have not been the best verbiage of it.
	But I feel like you get a lot, and I feel like it's more common in women than it is men, where they don't like to admit.
	A bunch of people are saying the mics are totally scuffed.
	Okay.
	All of them?
	All of them?
	Mices are.
	Because we switched.
	Audio.
	No mics are.
	I'm listening.
	Check.
	Unless we're getting controlled.
	Like in the chat.
	You're not getting control.
	I'm hearing.
	I mean, I'm hearing it for sure.
	I hear it on White Wilson's mic, and then I hear it on your mic, and then everybody else's mic seems to be fine.
	It's bizarre.
	Maybe.
	Because we even switched mic.
	Yeah, I gave her my mic.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	And it's still like, I don't know why.
	You know what?
	I think we just need to fucking put back in the other audio mixer.
	It's going to take two minutes to do it, but...
	Party!
	My only concern is if we unplug it, then it's just like...
	Going to shut down the podcast?
	We lose audio completely.
	Intermission.
	Well, I'm gonna get you.
	Can I get a burrito?
	I don't know what changes you're making, but I think it's worse.
	People are saying it's worse now.
	People are saying it's worse now.
	Andrew, is it worse now?
	Well, no, it goes from bad to perfect to bad to perfect to bad to perfect.
	Like in and out.
	I think that's maybe depending on like that.
	I just have to make a decision on this.
	We're going to go.
	We're going to have to unplug everything and just go back to the other mixer.
	Sweet.
	So what that means is a champagne pop.
	Champagne pop!
	Let's do it.
	So hold on.
	They all want a champagne pop, guys.
	We brought a bottle of wine, I think.
	Let me think about how exactly I want to do it.
	I gave it to Brian already.
	We might even have to restart the stream.
	I blame the audio for my outburst in calling her a retard.
	I've been fucking out of my seat.
	But she called my retards.
	I've been out of my seat trying to deal with this shit behind the scenes.
	It's been a scuffed pre-show.
	Karma.
	She's outside right now, unwiring all the time.
	I'm not taking any accountability.
	I blame it on the audio issues.
	Blame it on me.
	I'm blaming.
	Yes, I'll blame it on you, too.
	So, okay, we're going to have to mute the audio.
	It's gonna take maybe two or three minutes to get everything switched back over.
	I'm thinking it might be possible for us to just let Andrew talk.
	That was a good idea.
	So, I want to try one thing really quick.
	This is for the viewers.
	Nick, over there in the audio mixer in OBS, you're gonna put desktop audio on and you're gonna mute audio.
	Okay, hold on.
	Wait, guys, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	Hold on.
	Let me give them instructions.
	So, what you're gonna do, Nick to the right, there's a red audio icon.
	You're gonna turn that on and then you're gonna mute this audio.
	And hold on, before you do, chat, can you let us know if you can hear Andrew talking starting from now right now?
	Can anybody hear me?
	Is anybody out there?
	Excellent.
	Yeah, they can still hear you if I can still hear you.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's done.
	I'll do it right now.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	So, can we talk about the problems in improper thinking and how you can come to the absurd conclusion?
	I could like, I can see all these fine tattooed women here tonight.
	All of them have it together.
	They all come to good conclusions, right?
	Everything from fishnet girl all the way over, right?
	They all come to great conclusions because they don't utilize rigidity in their thinking, right?
	They're willing to go back to first root principles so that we can figure out the core of these issues.
	I mean, look at them.
	They're all having a fun.
	Everyone from backwards, hat, girl, over to white tank top, right?
	I mean, you guys don't have name tags.
	What do you want me to say?
	You know, you just say green shirt over here.
	That would be fine, too, right?
	Wait, wait, it's not break time.
	It's not break time.
	You sitbet.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm joking.
	I'm joking.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm fucking around.
	I'm just, I'm just getting around.
	I can't, I can't hear you.
	It's the best.
	I'm having more fun right now.
	You guys are talking all kinds of shit, and I can't hear a thing.
	It's the greatest thing ever.
	This is the greatest episode of whatever I've ever been on.
	I can talk.
	You can hear me, and I can't hear a fucking word you say.
	It's fantastic.
	That's a really, that's a super bad impression.
	Super bad impression.
	For those of you who don't know, because you can't hear, White Blouse is attempting to make fun of me as I carry this show while Brian takes care of the audio issues.
	And she was just mocking me for having the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube.
	And yeah, that wasn't very nice.
	You know, I'm going to.
	Wait, Andrew, can you still hear us?
	I can still hear you, but my audience can't hear you.
	Don't worry about it.
	And neither can yours.
	Plays Charlie Sheen's brother in Two and a Half Men.
	Alan?
	Yes.
	He says that you look like What?
	What?
	That's the most absurd shit that I've ever.
	That's what a mean bastard.
	What a mean bastard.
	He's getting kiki in the mail.
	That's what's happening to him.
	That's it's going to be some revenge.
	It's going to be there's going to be a blue-haired blow-up doll in the mailbox.
	That's what's happening.
	It's right behind you, by the way.
	Right behind you.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Horrible.
	Horrible to say.
	Mean.
	Yeah, it's mean and cruel.
	what does your dad think about your tats anyway
	yeah no no i tell you It's under control, Brian.
	Pixie Audio, we're good.
	We're all good.
	I was asking.
	I was just asking.
	When I got the lucky, just for the sake, just for the sake of asking what's your old man thought of that sleeve?
	What he thought of this.
	What does he think?
	Well, no, the sleeve, for example, he didn't really mind so much.
	It was the lucky.
	I just muted you.
	Nobody can hear a word you're saying.
	It was the lucky.
	Nobody gives a shit.
	They don't give a shit.
	It was the lucky UTA.
	Okay.
	Brian said for me to entertain the stream, you just jump right in immediately.
	You're trying to steal the whole show, trying to take my spotlight.
	You asked me.
	Kind of mean girl behavior a little bit.
	I'm teasing you.
	I'm teasing you.
	Can you hear us?
	Yeah, I can hear you guys.
	All right.
	Is the audio clean?
	Is the audio good?
	I mean, I'm assuming it's going to be better.
	All right.
	I put everything back on.
	Everything should be back on.
	That was my moment.
	She stole my moment.
	I'm sorry.
	It's not the moment for everybody to be fucking up out of their seats.
	Nick, can you get people sitting again, please?
	Hey, guys, come on.
	Let's go back.
	Intermission is over.
	Get back in your seats.
	Break time's over, sweetheart.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	I'm pretty sure we have changed the audio.
	I don't know if it's fully okay.
	The audio might be lower than it was before, but sounds a million times better, Brian.
	It should be lower, but it should be better, if that makes sense.
	So talk closer.
	I guess.
	Yeah.
	Gotta use your big girl voices, right?
	You gotta get right in there.
	Use the booming voice.
	So welcome back, guys.
	Sorry for the audio issues throughout the show.
	It's clear to me that I don't know.
	I'm telling you.
	That's not something.
	It's not going to be something that I'm going to be able to delegate.
	I mean, I try to delegate tasks, but I'm going to have to go in and figure it out myself.
	So I'll carry as usual.
	So, okay.
	No, I'm just talking in general.
	So.
	Where were we?
	I don't know.
	We're talking about dating, I guess.
	All right.
	I'm going to read a couple chats.
	Actually, Mason, can you read a couple for me?
	Yeah.
	Sure, I got you.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	44-year-old male here spent last 12 years taking care of a parent.
	No kids, never married.
	If I wanted to get married to start a family, I'm looking for someone capable of having kids.
	But if I did date at 20, early 30, something, I'm icky.
	What a moronic thing to say.
	I don't think we're not allowed to call her names.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You are mentally ill, EW.
	Just want you to know that.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Pelagic, six.
	she's used to being number one not today i think this is in reference to the uh girl who yeah I think this is all going to be about her.
	I mean, any woman that uses that kind of terminology at that age is kind of, I don't know, questionable.
	Yeah.
	She had a lot of logical things to say, but that's not.
	I did have some questions for her, though, before she left because she had a child.
	So how?
	She has a kid?
	Yeah, she said that.
	She had a teenage child, a 15-year-old, and you're 34.
	So then who impregnated you when you were 16?
	Let me do the math.
	Damn, I was going to say, that's some quick maths right there.
	Yeah, I mean, she did say that she dated.
	When she was younger, she dated older men.
	So then who impregnated you when you were 16?
	That's a question that I had.
	And how come that you being a single woman, you being a single woman with not a husband, but with a 15-year-old child at 34 as somebody your age, but you want them to start over and start a family with you when you already have a kid?
	What kind of baggage are you bringing when you had a kid when you were 16?
	That's obviously a troubled childhood.
	So how can you say that?
	It's also contradicting.
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	Like, how does, how can you say that these men are mentally ill or predatory?
	Year old men are just getting started in their careers and buying homes and doing all this.
	Do they want somebody with a 15-year-old kid that got impregnated when they were 16?
	What kind of morals and values did you have that?
	Ma'am, I wish she was here.
	No, I was just like, that makes sense for me if they're so mentally ill.
	I believe she does say, which might be that.
	Be the reason she believes that.
	Okay, but then if they, okay, how mentally ill were you to get that's and that's something I strongly believe in.
	You might think these men are mentally ill, but as a woman, how mentally ill are you to be wanting to be in that situation?
	And I'm not saying that's right or wrong.
	I'm not calling anybody mentally ill, but I'm saying if he needs therapy, so do you.
	I'm saying it might not have been her choice because I believe she mentioned something about an essay, which might be why she believes men are mentally ill for having a lifetime.
	But not all of those situations are the same.
	That's also her story.
	I'm just trying to get rid of the benefit of the doubt.
	No, I a thousand percent agree, but I'm just saying for you to sit here with such a strong conviction and say these men have a problem.
	You should be open as well to the idea.
	Come on.
	At 15, having a kid, I'm not saying that you haven't sought therapy because I know a lot of women have and they've gone through issues.
	And from we have all have things that have gone in our lives that have created us to have issues.
	How can you just blame them?
	Because it's easier to blame somebody that isn't you.
	True.
	See, exactly.
	Because having a child at 16 years old, I'm sorry.
	That is.
	People don't like to take responsibility for their actions.
	That's probably my accountability factor.
	You saying all these people are mentally ill, but you're not, and you get mad.
	Why did you get so mad when somebody called you retarded?
	And it's not.
	Sorry, I'm not trying to laugh.
	It's not funny.
	It's not funny.
	It doesn't come down to like a man or a woman doing it.
	We all kind of.
	Yeah.
	But it's easier.
	But you know what?
	Men are always, it's always their fault.
	They did it.
	It's them.
	They're the problem.
	They did this.
	They do that.
	Why?
	Yeah.
	Well, it's easier to be able to say something like that, but it also takes away your power to do anything about it.
	Because if the problem comes from somebody else, then they have to take care of that problem.
	That is in your life.
	But if it is your own personal problem in dating, whatever, and it's not a problem that you created, you don't have to take any accountability for it.
	You have no power in fixing that said issue.
	So yeah, it's just regardless.
	If you enter into a conversation like this and are unwilling to engage with the logic, the conversation is able to talk and be able to think maybe I have certain things that I'm not perfectly reasonable with.
	He's being unhealthy.
	He's being unreasonable.
	He's being attackative.
	He's being 16.
	It'd be 19, right?
	Oh, 19.
	Okay.
	I mean, that's stupid.
	But I'm saying still, you're in your teenage years and that to you, dating somebody older is icky.
	So regardless of that, you're still saying those type of situations are icky, but you were there in that situation.
	At least Toby McGuire is just dating.
	And for calling Brian, he's this, he's combative, he's all of these things.
	You are also not willing to listen, even your point.
	She would not listen to you.
	She would not listen to him.
	Nothing.
	It was her point and her point only.
	And that was that.
	And then the second, granted, should he have called her retarded?
	No, probably not.
	But that's just kind of, you know, sometimes people say that.
	Sometimes people say mean shit and they don't mean to say it, but it kind of comes out in whatever it got said.
	But how do you get to say that he said all this shit, but you wouldn't even listen to him when he was just trying to be like, dude, listen, you're literally calling every man over 30 years.
	I don't know.
	I don't know about that he shouldn't have said and she shouldn't have.
	You know, I'm not willing to go there and grant you.
	But I'm not saying that.
	I'm just realistically.
	I'm just being the devil's advocate on that because you know what?
	Whatever.
	She dropped his prop.
	You know?
	You don't drop a man's prop.
	Not just that, but you're not.
	Now, listen, if I was there in studio and I dropped the prop, Brian probably would have arslered me.
	It probably wouldn't have happened.
	It probably would have happened.
	I mean, let's be real.
	I just wouldn't have raged quit about it.
	I would have, you know, given him the middle finger.
	I would have said F off like that.
	That's the way it's supposed to go.
	Granted, but I'm just saying, like, she was so strong in her opinions, and you literally called every man retarded.
	So she already called him retarded.
	So make that makes sense.
	She just didn't use retard.
	She just said what did she say?
	Mentally ill, mentally ill, mentally ill and retarded.
	Politically correct term.
	Yeah, she used the politically correct term, but when he said the real word, she was like, That's right.
	Somehow it's wrong.
	Hold on.
	It's like the loophole of those little feet.
	It's never good to do.
	It's a really nice prop, you know?
	It's a really nice prophecy.
	It's a nice prop.
	Don't even think about that.
	I'd be upset at the moment.
	Look, it's not the right.
	I lost my cool.
	I shouldn't have called her a retard.
	Was she being a retard?
	Yes.
	But I call you.
	I shouldn't have called her a retard.
	I do want to maybe apologize.
	I'd like to take this chance to apologize.
	Absolutely.
	Nobody.
	All right.
	So look.
	There's no apology.
	No apology.
	But she called you that.
	I'm not letting Brian apologize.
	He's wrong in this.
	No, Brian's not apologizing.
	She dropped.
	It's a nice prop.
	It really ties the table together with the room.
	Honestly.
	You know, it's pretty important.
	I've been in that room many times.
	And if you didn't have that particular prop, you wouldn't even have a show.
	It ties the room.
	No show.
	And then don't and don't say, like, well, I drove two and a half hours to be here.
	We all have on an airplane today to be here.
	I got out of my pajamas for this.
	Damn it.
	That's crazy.
	Yay!
	Andrew.
	Thank you.
	But I'm just saying, some of us have come a long way.
	So what?
	We decided to be here.
	We chose to take this day of our lives to be here.
	We all knew the situation while coming on the show, whether it be positive, negative.
	We all knew what we were doing.
	So to get that upset for a simple.
	Well, she's been on before, hasn't she?
	It's just kind of crazy.
	Yeah, she's been on before.
	But you knew where you were getting yourself into.
	So to get that upset is just kind of unreasonable, to be honest with you.
	Well, look, okay.
	I know Andrew's like trying to gas me up here.
	I shouldn't have called her retard, okay?
	I was already tilted even before the show started.
	We had three, like three no-shows.
	No offense to you.
	You were an hour late.
	We started the show late.
	We started the show late.
	We were having audio issues.
	Just like a whole bunch of kind of annoying things before the show.
	I was a little chilly.
	And yeah, you were an hour late.
	It's okay.
	But not really.
	But accountability, at least, you know.
	So shouldn't have called her that.
	Shouldn't have called her that.
	Although I do kind of question, like, I mean, in the movie.
	You didn't call her that.
	You asked a simple question.
	Oh, I didn't call her.
	What did I say?
	Make a declarative argument.
	Are you?
	You just said, are you?
	Oh, I didn't say.
	Oh, okay.
	That's fine.
	Yeah, you said, are you?
	Are you right?
	She was in the military.
	She should definitely have thicker skin.
	She deserved it.
	Yeah, I was going to say, like, 16.
	As someone who works with the military, that's nothing.
	They call it in the army.
	I am.
	Literally.
	I say nothing.
	Who are you talking to?
	She wanted a virtue signal and make a big.
	She just wanted to be a little bit more than that.
	She wanted that.
	What's the ultimate sign of like I am in the superior point of view?
	Because you're saying such outlandish things that I must leave.
	Yeah, I don't like that portrayal of feminism.
	I don't know.
	It was easy.
	Well, I'm not a feminist.
	The whole thing is.
	It was particularly icky in my opinion.
	I think this is almost like a dating.
	Try to bring it back to dating.
	This is almost a trope that you will encounter if you're having an argument with your significant other.
	Like your girlfriend will like stab you in the side continuously with some shit, and then you'll say like one thing.
	You'll call her a bitch.
	And then it's just, oh my gosh, she'll be talking.
	Your dad is shit.
	She will like do these little.
	She'll give you a bar.
	The girl will fucking.
	Women love to throw the low blows.
	They'll throw the shit.
	And then you just call her a bitch.
	Then it's just like they know they can't get angry.
	By the way, I'm not saying don't call it no.
	Don't call your girlfriend a break.
	But if we're talking about dating and she was so keen on this, so what qualifies a high quality man?
	That's what I wanted to know from her.
	You were so adamant on everything of what a high-quality man was.
	And I talked to high-quality man.
	What's a high-quality man?
	Like, what do you mean?
	Like, oh, a high-quality man wouldn't do this.
	A high-quality man wouldn't do well.
	For her to just be the most judgmental.
	Okay, so what was what I saw in her arguments continually was she was receiving from us a bunch of quality arguments.
	Hey, your logic is flawed here.
	Yeah.
	And instead of engaging with the argument, I look for the same thing when I'm dating somebody.
	Instead of engaging with a difficult conversation, maybe I disagree with you.
	The immediate response was, what you're doing is mean.
	It's offensive.
	You need to change how you do things because.
	Does that hurt my feelings?
	It doesn't align with my personal.
	If you want to be right, you must do things in a way that I deem necessary.
	And okay, no, maybe this other person's a different person than you.
	Maybe they have a good point and you should engage with that conversation.
	If I'm dating somebody, I want them to be in the position where they can interpret what I'm trying to say.
	As I told her, interpret with a meaning, regardless of the verbiage I'm using, trying to diagnose exactly what I mean and respond to that.
	And take out your personal feelings.
	Brian, did you know she almost rate when I was on Access Vegas with her?
	She almost rate quit there too.
	So I also has a question for Brian, Mason.
	What's a high-quality man?
	I would like to, or you know what?
	Not even you guys, because you're men.
	Women.
	What is a high-quality man?
	Because she was so us high-quality men.
	They do this, they do that, they do this.
	Because there are so many different variations of high-quality men, whether it's, you know, financially sassy.
	Yeah, does financially make them high-quality men?
	Does the fact that he lets me act this way make him a high-quality man?
	Let's me, you know, like, what is a high-quality man?
	To her, probably somebody agreeable.
	Well, I think she said she was religious, so maybe that's a good idea.
	So a Jesus man, because all Jesus men are literally high-quality men.
	Let's be real.
	I'm not.
	Sorry.
	But I mean, come on now.
	The real one.
	Not all of them are.
	Sorry.
	It's mathematically impossible.
	Actually, I agree with that.
	I was saying, but that goes with Brian.
	Don't even say that for me because they're religious.
	That goes across like all types of people.
	I've been really nasty to Nick, so Nick gets to get drunk during the show.
	Chug, chug, chug.
	No, actually, you wanted to chug with me.
	Yes, we brought you a bottle of money.
	I've been very sassy to Nick.
	Nick, I'm sorry for being sassy to me.
	I love you, Nick.
	Give Nick the bottle.
	You have to drink the whole thing, though, okay?
	Here we go, Nick.
	Here we go.
	He's chugging.
	Fast.
	What a man.
	Nick's been doing a few.
	See, that's a high quality man.
	He gets another.
	You talked to me.
	We are high quality.
	There you are.
	You're probably hating.
	Yeah, what makes high quality is what I want to know.
	Nick and Brian are kissing each other.
	They're so bad for themselves.
	So beautiful.
	Oh.
	Here, I'll have a little bit of a bad thing.
	Brian.
	Brian's going to have some.
	Sorry, I got to comment on what's happening.
	Can I ask a question to the panel?
	Your man comes over for the first time.
	What are you cooking him?
	Your man?
	Oh, I like this.
	For the first time.
	That's your man comes over.
	Okay.
	I think I would do salmon.
	Dude, why am I going to say that?
	What?
	Say it?
	Men don't eat salmon like that.
	Guys, one at a time.
	The audience can't hear anything.
	Sorry, men don't eat salmon like that.
	Yes, they do.
	Yes, they do.
	Who said you're cooking salmon the first time they come over?
	What?
	I'm a big fan of salmon.
	I will not be taking it on the sales.
	I mean, that's kind of fancy.
	I like salmon, a little roasted vegetable.
	And depending on what type of guy he is, either mashed potatoes or like a little couscous, a little low carb on the side.
	Here, and just like that.
	Sounds like a girl food.
	My favorite thing is, well, but like girl food is better than boy food.
	Like, I want to eat my salmon with roast veggies.
	But he's going to your house for the first time.
	You're cooking for him, not you.
	You got a new middle robot steak.
	Everyone hates salmon.
	Vegetables.
	It's still a baby.
	It's a southern.
	A boy.
	It's a good deal.
	I wouldn't go with mashed potatoes.
	I would go with couscous.
	I appreciate MP's cousin salad.
	I think it's good.
	Yeah.
	Like a bed of couscous with some like salmon on top, crispy skin.
	I agree.
	And then I'm a big dessert gal, and I reached out where he taught me.
	I'm starving.
	No, no, no, no.
	You guys are fucking like, oh, there's two dishes, too.
	Two dishes which are appropriate.
	Steak, spaghetti.
	You ready?
	You're never going to get any argument with these two dishes.
	The first, lasagna.
	Every man.
	Oh, planet Earth loves lasagna.
	Every man who exists loves lasagna.
	And then, second, three-stuffed ravioli.
	Every man on earth loves that.
	Oh, okay.
	You ever have like a roast lamb on it?
	I never got it.
	Some Thomas.
	Some like tarot tour.
	You got to throw some like taboo on that.
	That's what you got to do.
	Let's try it.
	You got to go with a lasagna.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Fresh beer rice.
	It's hard to mess up.
	You can mess up a steak.
	I'll still eat it, but you know.
	Okay, I don't really get cut.
	That's fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	But, you know, they're being like, oh, I'm going to give you something easy to make.
	You know, the first time, lure me in with something easy to make.
	The next time, maybe flaunt your skills.
	I don't know.
	Well, okay.
	What about this?
	I can only really cook like Persian food.
	I thought you said mac and cheese.
	I mean, that's, I can really spice up a mac and cheese too, but I can spice up a mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	I think that's a good person.
	I think that's like effort.
	No, Persian food is just good.
	Well, yeah, I mean, yeah.
	What's everybody's body count?
	That diversion was immaculate.
	Wow.
	Yeah, so my body count is zero.
	I feel like we've established that.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, yeah.
	I'm going to skip that.
	All power to you, I swear.
	I'll give the same answer I gave last time.
	I'm in the teens.
	Oh, are you?
	I'm in the teens.
	Legal or illegal.
	What do you mean, legal?
	It was a joke.
	Oh, I got it.
	Oh, it's my turn, huh?
	Probably the fifth.
	I don't know, like six, I think.
	Six or seven.
	I think six.
	But I'm 30.
	So, yeah, six.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't keep count.
	Range.
	Range.
	Maybe you're on the 20s.
	Okay.
	21 and growing.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Love the honesty.
	Welcome back to the conversation.
	One.
	Skip digital footprint.
	You want to give us a range?
	Skip digital footprint.
	Skip digital footprint.
	Okay.
	Good to know.
	Good to know.
	Cool.
	I don't know why I brought it there, but I don't know.
	You guys were talking about it.
	That was a good diversion, though, honestly.
	Talking about extra garlic.
	Talking about.
	He's like, fuck this couscous.
	What's your body count?
	I thought that was a good question.
	Wait, last time.
	I liked your additional casmy.
	She's in the military, right?
	Yes.
	And that's how X-Miller is.
	Because that's how I got started on mine.
	Because she said that, and so I said mine.
	Talk shit way more than just and just to be clear.
	I did, I didn't call her an R slur.
	I asked if she was one.
	There's a difference.
	Don't care.
	It is different, hello.
	You were asking for clarification.
	All right, it's a little different.
	It's a little different.
	All right.
	All right, let me get into some of my pre-show notes here.
	So let's see here.
	Okay, we talked about.
	Typical woman.
	You say something like, Are you stupid?
	And they go, Don't call me stupid.
	Well, you didn't call him stupid.
	You didn't say you were stupid.
	You asked a basic question.
	You know, people get so bent out of shape about this.
	Yes, I am stupid.
	You knew it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What?
	Did you just internalize the joke?
	Yes, I did.
	I internalized everything.
	I am stupid.
	My singular feeling is hurt, Mr. Wilson.
	Oh, we do have to read a couple more chats here.
	Morgan, can I have you read?
	He keeps throwing me off.
	Oh, hold on.
	Can you just read this one?
	Yeah.
	Poor young Jamie.
	I mean, Nick.
	Brian is going to pull all of this drama on Nick's shoulders.
	Hashtag free Nick.
	I mean, thank you, Desert Joe.
	Isn't he the whole thing?
	Can you read this one?
	Here is a high-value, mature, vulnerable question.
	Why doesn't James Bond fart in bed?
	Because it doesn't blow his cover.
	Also, for Andrew Chat, the.
	That was so funny.
	Okay, that was a good one.
	That's right.
	That's good.
	We'll go back to White Blouse because she loves the.
	Jesus.
	I'm speechless after that.
	I agree.
	What is this one?
	It's really simple.
	She told a man a high value that she had a lot of experience.
	He told her that he valued her experience so he could sleep with her.
	She now thinks men want experience, LL.
	All right.
	Thank you, Lol Paladins.
	Appreciate it.
	Some of these came in a while ago, guys.
	So just getting to some of these now.
	I'm 38, divorced, father of two, hoping for more.
	Why are you so upset with dudes dating younger women to accomplish that?
	She's going to leave anyways.
	The ick, we need a strong men leading children.
	Why would she leave?
	Who?
	That girl?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I committed the cardinal sin of asking her if she's our slur.
	Is that the super?
	That's, yeah.
	I think what was the least of the issue with the things she was saying.
	Say it louder, which is just.
	I think the panel is better now.
	We're taking over.
	We got something that's a little, I think we got something a little weird going on with the audio.
	Is it a ghost?
	I'll check on it.
	There's a little something strange going on with the audio.
	It's like peeking.
	I'm not sure why.
	Randomly.
	Yeah.
	Did you make any adjustments in OBS, Nick?
	Yes, we made some adjustments.
	We can check in.
	Oh, no.
	Wait, what?
	It's a bit more time crunch, baby.
	We made some of the news.
	We didn't change anything.
	What were the adjustments that you made?
	For the other mixer.
	Like in the filters.
	Were they in the filters?
	No, I don't think so.
	Like, did you make adjustments there?
	Nope, none of them.
	Huh.
	But you saw how it like peeked out full red.
	That was weird.
	I wonder if someone made me mean a noise on the screen.
	David, you would start talking shit out there.
	Okay, well, I think it's fine.
	I think it should be fine.
	What's that?
	David's talking shit about lasagna.
	Okay, yeah, just ignore those.
	What?
	Who the fuck would talk shit about lasagna?
	What kind of man does it?
	I'll read it right now.
	Everybody likes lasagna.
	I'll read it right now.
	He's saying something.
	Okay.
	So We have.
	Oh, okay.
	Chase.
	Chase.
	You said you dated a guy in the KKK.
	What?
	What?
	I have maps.
	So it was back when I lived in Sonara, Silmore up north.
	Silmer?
	Sonora.
	Okay, good.
	Don't.
	Sorry.
	So I lived in Sonora at the time, trying to, like, you know what, screw it.
	I'll just continue swiping.
	And I guess I was not paying attention at all.
	And I went to the profile, and there is a Confederate flag in the background.
	That doesn't mean he's KKK.
	That just means that he also had other.
	Did he have the outfit?
	I still want to take my boobs.
	I'm having outfits.
	He was with the Aryan Brotherhood in one of the pictures.
	Like Adam in one word or another.
	Okay, you can go back.
	I'm having just kind of like.
	Look, I just.
	Is there a nip slip about?
	It's totally fine.
	Yeah, there was no nip slip, but I mean, it's hard to tell.
	It looks like the titties are out, but the titties are not out.
	Anyway.
	So just because he had a Confederate flag does not mean that he had a KKK.
	Apparently, there was other memorabilia things.
	Yes.
	What were those memorabilia?
	Went and said, of course, I was high when I messaged.
	I like black guys.
	What kind of marijuana?
	Wait, what?
	I messaged the person.
	She told the person that I had matched with.
	He never messaged.
	I kind of beat him to the punch.
	That I like black guys.
	I unmatched, and nothing ever sent.
	That doesn't mean he's a KKK.
	Did you go on a date with him?
	No, that was a dating app, correct?
	It was on a dating app.
	It was on Tender, like back then.
	And he just had a photo with a Confederate flag.
	Yeah, but it was also Sonora.
	So Sonora's kind of small individuals, Christian-like.
	Some of them were like a little race to the side of that.
	That's not true.
	Not that.
	Okay.
	I'm not going to do that.
	When I went to college in the South, I knew a lot of African-American guys who were all pro-Confederacy.
	Yeah.
	Moving on.
	Let's just.
	Okay, I'm not inclined to bite on this one.
	Okay.
	You said in your Instagram profile, it says women right.
	What does that mean?
	Like, it doesn't say women's rights.
	It says women right.
	Like, as in women.
	Do you mean women are right?
	I'm confused.
	It was a typo.
	I was going to say come on.
	So what's the correction then?
	Women's rights.
	Okay.
	I did not put an S.
	I mean, basically, I'm just curious why it's in your Instagram bio.
	What are you trying to kind of convey?
	That I support women and I. Our rights.
	And their rights.
	You support women?
	And their rights.
	Okay, so do you consider yourself a feminist?
	I believe what I want to believe, but I don't slap a label on it.
	What rights do you want women to have that they don't have?
	It's like freedom over your body type of thing.
	Well, hold on.
	Why don't we have let her answer?
	Go ahead.
	Abortion rights.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	There's one, but we cannot discuss it on the podcast because it has to do with one topic we can't talk about.
	Are you talking about SA?
	I'm talking P-E-D-O.
	Okay, so I know what you're talking about.
	What does that have to do with women's rights?
	Well, no, I was talking about also all rights in general.
	Right, no, but you said women, the type of women's rights.
	So I was saying abortion rights.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	But the other one, then, how does that word you just speak?
	How did we.
	How does that have to do with women?
	How did we make that jump?
	Brian, how did we make the jump?
	What does that have to do with women's rights?
	I think I was just talking about rights.
	The right to be that shall not be infringed?
	What do you mean?
	Like basic women's rights that are questioned to be taken away or not.
	But non-women?
	I don't know.
	No, you can't even correlate.
	How about we just let her speak?
	Okay, go ahead.
	No, I went off topic on there from women's rights to a different rights.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I'm sure we all agree that that's a bad thing.
	So, okay, back to the interrupting.
	So, okay, women's rights.
	What abortion?
	Abortion can trying to even freaking think.
	Equal pay.
	Okay, what else?
	I am blanking right now.
	That's all I could think of at the moment.
	Okay.
	Equal pay.
	Women are good.
	So there are two key ones.
	When it comes to sports, do you think, for example, female soccer players should be paid the same as male soccer players?
	No.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Just let her answer the question, okay?
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Well, I don't know how much either of them make, but.
	Let's just say the men make more.
	Like, egregiously more.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's where the equal rights comes in, or equal pay thing comes in it.
	Equal pay for equal work.
	This is a common sport, like within sports, within that confine.
	What about basketball?
	Yeah.
	So should WNBA players be paid the same as NBA players?
	Now I'm stattering.
	I mean, is that really?
	Hold on, hold on.
	She can collect herself.
	Let her speak.
	You can check.
	Yeah, it's fine.
	I might have to come back to that.
	I can't think right now.
	Well, wouldn't that be within the purview of equal pay?
	On working on how to do that.
	So, like in the NBA, just to embellish on the example, the NBA, there are guys who make on the order of millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions.
	And then in the WNBA, it's like on the order of tens of thousands.
	And why is that?
	Do you think that's in the argument of equal pay?
	Do you think that's fair?
	Yes.
	Hold on.
	question is for her.
	I am totally blanking.
	Is that right or wrong?
	It's just your opinion.
	Is there a right or wrong or wrong answer?
	I'll just say it.
	I feel like it's also maybe based on based on how I'm going to say views on who views more of like the male NBA should like, okay, if this has enough views, why not pay them more?
	That's pretty logical.
	And then if the other one's like, okay, the other one has less views, why?
	Fair enough.
	Just still a decent pay, though.
	So I guess now pivot to, say, my field where engineering.
	Say that I make a, say, $150,000.
	I'm just going to pull a number out of the air.
	And there's a lady in my same department, and she's making, say, $120,000.
	Do you think that's fair?
	That you're getting paid more than her?
	Yeah.
	Doing the same job.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	With the same dude.
	Okay, well, okay, just doing the same job.
	We can bring in other factors later.
	But doing the same job, do you think that'd be fair?
	No.
	Okay.
	I feel like it could be based on the experience.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So generally speaking.
	Don't give a child monkey.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, generally speaking, if you take into account all of those other factors, like, okay, how much does the man work versus how much does the woman work?
	Regardless of gender, people who work more, more hours are going to make more money.
	If they're more adept at your craft, you're going to make more money.
	You realize that with basketball, more views, males are generally better athletes, whatever.
	So when it comes to the work environment, the way that translates over is men generally take a lot less time off of work than women do.
	Especially when it comes to, well, men don't have to take pregnancy leave.
	They will spend more hours at work.
	They will generally do more work than a woman will.
	So given those other factors, do you think it may be fair that generally speaking, men will make more than women do?
	What was the question again?
	No, so given all the factors that men generally work longer hours than women.
	Do they though?
	They do.
	Yeah, statistically, men work longer hours than women.
	They take less time off.
	Has nothing to do with pregnancy.
	They will also pick harder jobs, jobs that require more effort, more time, more physical labor.
	Yeah, exactly.
	All of those things.
	Because all of those factors, do you think that it's fair that men make more than women on average?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	You gotta consider Mike.
	Oh.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So that's generally where this wage gap number comes in.
	They will claim that, but ignore all of those, all of those, I don't know, all of that criteria that you should be considering.
	They'll just say women make 70 cents on the dollar, and they will ignore all of those other factors.
	So I appreciate that you're logically genuine with.
	But my question is, what happens with all the, what is it, you say the males that make more, but why do they don't show up to work?
	They have ass shit.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Just a sec.
	I got this.
	Okay.
	Wait, Jenny is a really as-so your position is that men are, and they actually have statistics on this.
	Your position is that men are, for example, more likely to take time off or sick leave?
	I was saying sometimes, yes, we do have those hard workers out there, but sometimes.
	Okay, but if we actually analyze statistics, and I told you, for example, that women are more likely to take sick leave, women are more likely to ask for time off.
	But what about the one got a lot of money?
	Yes, there are men.
	Yes, there are men who are slackers and take sick leave.
	Women are more likely to, though.
	Men are more likely to work graveyard shift.
	They're more likely to relocate to bum fuck North Dakota and live in a 300-population town and work.
	They're more likely to work in dangerous, difficult jobs, for example.
	When it's 3 a.m. and the power goes out and it's below freezing, you're going to see a man out there trying to get that figured out so the power can come back on.
	And for you to say it's his choice, it might be his choice to do that, but without hard-working men and blue-collar men, America would not exist.
	Why wouldn't the it be?
	But then you go out and do the power landing.
	Yeah, I will freaking pay attention.
	That's fine.
	You gotta be an electrician.
	There are women that do do that.
	And the flattening of the menu is that.
	But you don't base your argument off of the minority.
	I don't have a problem with doing it in your arm.
	I personally don't.
	This is my personal problem.
	One at a time.
	And I don't think that that decision should be made off of a statistic more like individually.
	I would say the issue that we're trying to discuss right now is why they should the wage gap be something that is combated, or do we realize that there are factors that make it so that men generally will make more than women?
	I understand both.
	I think if we, if actually, those two ideas need to be met.
	No, okay.
	So when you start to equate or when you account for all of those factors, if you go to major metropolitan areas like Los Angeles or New York, women actually make more than men do.
	Yeah.
	Even though that they take more sick leave.
	Yeah, but sick leaves are like if you're not.
	They choose less, they choose jobs that don't require nearly as much demand.
	They don't work longer hours.
	So in a lot of major metropolitan areas, it seems to be that women on average will make more than men.
	Like there's an actual disparity, even though they don't work harder than those other men.
	Another thing to take into consideration, too, which it's kind of to hate on myself, I guess, almost a dumb point here, but let's put it this way: okay, how many male electricians do you know versus women?
	A lot more men, right?
	Yeah, men predominate the trades.
	And okay, when it comes to anything, welding, plumbing, whatever it might be, any blue-collar job is going to be predominantly men.
	But guess what?
	You get a woman in that position, she makes a fucking TikTok account.
	She is now not only profiting off of her job, she's also profiting off of posting videos basically boasting about how she's a woman in that field.
	So she's getting profit not only from her job, she's also getting profit now from being a minority, I guess you could say, in that field.
	So I'm basically what I'm getting at here is women have the opportunity.
	Yeah, if they want to work in those fields, they can work in those fields.
	Not only that, they're going to get more limelight off of it because of doing that.
	So they do have more opportunity if they really wanted to.
	If they wanted to go into that field, they can profit off it in so many other ways than just the daily paycheck.
	I have to move it on.
	That's not really what we're arguing.
	So, I mean, here, I'll bring it back a little bit to dating.
	I want to go around the table.
	Do you think a guy should pay for the first date?
	I think it kind of depends on the situation.
	I think it depends on who initiated the date.
	Like, who asked who out, you know what I mean?
	More often than not, at least in your own experience, are you asking men out, or are you asking men out, or are they asking you out?
	Um, I would say first date, first date.
	Um, LR donated $200.
	Bum the military chick left so soon.
	Would love to ask her thoughts on the statistics of promiscuity among military subculture.
	They are higher than civilian pop.
	Rematch would love.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Maybe she should come on when Andrew's in person.
	Thank you, LR.
	Appreciate it.
	So, okay, going back to this, you said it depends.
	I asked more often than not, when it comes to who you're initiating with, are you initiating first dates?
	I would say majority of the time I'm the one getting asked on a first date.
	However, I'm not afraid to like approach a man if I'm interested in it.
	Have you ever done that?
	Yeah, of course I have.
	Okay, so how many first dates would you say you've been on?
	Oh, probably like rough estimate, like 30, 40.
	I took a little bit of a break from dating just because I was really busy with school and I was trying to focus more on school and like getting good grades.
	And I work too as a student.
	So let's say it's 40 first dates that you've been on.
	Of those 40, how many of them did you ask the guy out?
	I'd say like maybe three or four, but also that being said too, 5%.
	Okay.
	I've been on first dates too where the man insists on paying and I'm the one who even though you asked.
	Yes, and if he insists on paying, of course I'll pull out my credit card and I'll be like, no, no, no, I'll offer if they're like, oh, don't worry about it, I'm paying.
	My go-to is I'm like, no, no, no, it's okay, we can split it.
	And I pull out my credit card, I offer to split it.
	And if he keeps pushing and he's like, tells me two or three times, no, no, no, I want to pay for it, I'll let him pay for it.
	But after I've made that, like.
	But will you only offer in the instances where you ask the guy out?
	I feel like it kind of depends on like case-by-case basis.
	It kind of depends on like how expensive the date is, what our vibe is.
	But majority of the time, I will try to offer to pay 50-50, but most of the time they'll be like, it's okay, I got it, I'll try it, and then I just put it away.
	Well, your position was you said whoever asks should pay.
	Yeah, but it's also, that's what I think.
	But also, when you're on a date, there's other factors that go into it.
	If not just like adhering to a strict rule when I'm going out on these situations, like the world's not black and white.
	Like, I feel like this is kind of a gray area question for me at least.
	Like, that's what I believe as a general principle.
	But then when I'm in a situation, there might be other little factors that kind of change how I'm feeling in the moment.
	Does that make sense?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	It's just, it's always interesting to me when people say whoever asks should pay, but it kind of ignores the fact that de facto men are overwhelmingly the initiators.
	So to say that, well, whoever asks should pay, you might as well just say men.
	Like, I don't know, because I've been asking.
	But most women are not initiating.
	I mean, take your own anecdotal experience.
	You said you've been on about 40 first dates.
	In only three or four of those, you were the asker.
	So that's 10% of the time you, 90% of the time, men.
	So how can you argue against me on this, given your own anecdotal experience, that in 90% of all your first aid experiences, men were the ones who asked you out?
	Could you clarify your argument again?
	I just want to make sure that we're on the same page on this.
	Okay, so you're pushing back.
	So I'm saying overwhelmingly men are the initiators.
	And in your own anecdotal experience, you were the initiator in only 10% of all the first dates you've ever been on.
	90% of those were initiated by men.
	Wouldn't this be evidence enough for you to conclude that men are overwhelmingly going to be the initiators?
	I would agree with your point.
	I would say that oftentimes it is men who are the initiators.
	I don't.
	Right.
	But so don't you think it's a bit, I mean, to just say that whoever asks should pay, I think this line of reasoning would make more sense if men and women were asking each other out at comparable rates.
	So if it was about 50-50, I think this would make much more sense.
	But it sort of ignores this like Differential here, where if men overwhelmingly are asking women on dates, then they automatically have to pay because they asked an amount.
	Is that what you're saying?
	I mean, that's how it typically goes.
	That's how it typically goes.
	So, anyways, don't really need to linger too long on that, but just always an interesting point when people say whoever I should pay, while men overwhelmingly are the initiators.
	So, kind of ignores that.
	But, Morgan, what about you?
	Who do you think should pay on a first date?
	I think that women should offer to split, but I mean, if a man is going to insist that he pays, then like that's his choice, I guess.
	Well, what if you were on a date?
	Because sometimes it's like a token gesture.
	Okay, I'm going to reach for the wallet, but then if the guy's like, oh, cool, let's split, you would feel a certain type of way.
	You'd be like, oh, it was just a token gesture.
	What are you socially inept?
	Yeah.
	You should say that.
	You're not going to say that, of course, but like as if it was like some diverse psychology.
	I will say, just speaking from my point, and I know we're around like similar ages.
	As a college student, I'm really broke.
	Like, I am working like two jobs.
	Like, I'm just trying to, like, I'm working hard, exactly.
	So, like, if I'm offering to split and the person who I'm also on a date with is a college student, and we're offering to split, and he takes me up on that, I'm in a like, I understand what it's like to be in your shoes.
	I'm totally fine with splitting, but I think that's kind of like my perspective influences that it might be different if I'm not in college.
	You know what I mean?
	Would it color your prospects of going on another date with them negatively?
	No, no, I think that it wouldn't.
	I'd be like, okay, that's fine.
	Okay.
	That's fair.
	What about you?
	Who should pay on the first date?
	I feel it should be either or, because what happens if, like, not everybody's, well, like, has money, but sometimes it would help them out.
	Because what happens, even though despite the guy being broke, you still said yes to the date, despite the financial part you didn't know beforehand.
	But I feel like it should be 50-50.
	Has that been your experience with the first dates you've been on?
	I only been on two, but.
	Wait, hold on.
	You've only been on two first dates, but you've had sexual intercourse with 21 men?
	Yes.
	I mean, these were casual encounters.
	I have only been in two relationships, and then there are times where someone wanted to pay for me, but I did not feel comfortable for them paying for my stuff.
	So I ended up paying for myself.
	On the two dates you did go on?
	On one of the casualty encounters I had.
	Two dates, they both paid.
	And then one casual encounter wanted to pay, but I said no.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Okay, okay.
	First date.
	Who should pay?
	Honestly, I've always been working, and I've been the only one working for the most part in the dates that I've gone on, so I've didn't have a problem paying at all.
	And so splitting is not a problem.
	Well, you date men and women, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Is there a difference between those two experiences?
	No, not really.
	So you've always split on dates with men?
	If they want to, unless if I'm offering.
	Wait, but you describe yourself as an LA art hoe.
	Yeah.
	So are you dating like LA art bros?
	No.
	No, you want to be afraid.
	It's not like there's no specific type.
	But regardless, if I'm offering, if I'm offering to pay and I want to do something, I don't have, I committed to that.
	I don't have a problem.
	I don't look at them any less because of that.
	Or if they wanted to split and they offered to take me out.
	I'll try to wrap this up.
	Okay, what about you?
	Here, can you look?
	Please, just can you scoop the mic to the very edge of the table?
	All right.
	Men are going to pay.
	Men should pay.
	Okay.
	Men.
	I believe men should pay, but I do often split.
	And what do you think, Mason?
	Should men pay for first aids?
	In my context, I do always pay, but I totally understand if men don't want to.
	Okay.
	So, in a very roundabout way to kind of arrive at the point and why I'm asking this question, we were talking about the wage gap.
	So I think ignoring all the other factors we've talked about, the fact that men work more hours, men are more likely to work dangerous jobs, men are more likely to work overtime, etc.
	There's a bunch of reasons, the different kinds of fields that men go into.
	I think it can actually, ignoring all those other factors, can actually just be the wage gap, since you brought it up, can actually just be explained away, not by something really on a systematic level, but at the woman's level.
	So this actually can just be explained away by mating pressure.
	So if your expectation, and again, look, some women are fine with splitting, but there are enough women at this table, let's say it's only 50% of women, expect men to pay.
	That's a big enough of a cohort to put enough generalized mating pressure on men to be like, okay, I have to be a provider.
	And in addition to just paying the first date, this sort of expectation that men be providing extends well into relationships too, into marriage, having children, etc.
	So if the expectation is for men to be providers and to pay for first dates, this puts a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist at all in women.
	And so the wage gap can simply just be explained away on this sole metric.
	It's actually women that put pressure on men to become high achievers and to make money.
	Because if we don't make money and we can't provide for you, then we are at a disadvantage in the dating marketplace.
	And on average, women have a stronger preference than men for wealth and status in a partner.
	So, and this difference, it's found in all societies.
	And it's even found among women who are high earners themselves.
	The more money a woman makes, she's going to look for the man to make just as much or more money than she does.
	Whereas wealthy men will regularly date women who are not in their socioeconomic bracket.
	So I guess just to put a cap in it, the wage gap is simply explained away by women's own preference for high status and high-earning men.
	You may be right, but that doesn't make it right.
	I don't think that that pressure should necessarily be put on men either.
	But it is.
	You heard women at the stage.
	Yeah, yeah, I know.
	It is.
	Right, but we deal in, so men, we deal in reality.
	So if there's 50% of the female population that's like men have to pay for first dates, do you think what is like one of the number one motivations in life?
	Do you think mating?
	It's supposed to be money or mating.
	But do you think mating pressure has a significant impact on the choices that we make?
	I mean, yeah.
	The way we dress, the way we look, we want to be appealing to the opposite sex.
	We want to pursue a good career so we can make a lot of money so we can be appealing to women.
	But you should want that for yourself.
	That's the point.
	To what end?
	What do you mean?
	To whatever?
	To the end of a base evolutionary basis.
	Like, what's our primary goal?
	I mean, I guess I'm not really thinking about that at all.
	I'm thinking about that, like, if real equality and things like that are supposed to be achieved, and you're supposed to want that for yourself.
	I should want to want to be able to provide for myself whether a man can pay for my dinner or not.
	Like, I want to pay for myself and that person because I want to show that it's not, it doesn't have to be like that.
	You don't have to have that pressure.
	Like, it's an equal thing.
	Okay, there are women out there who are fine with splitting the bill.
	That's not what I'm arguing.
	But there are enough women out there who would not be willing to tolerate a man going Dutch on a date to create enough of a pressure on men that this mating pressure will be a greater motivational factor in achievement.
	There is no equivalent mating pressure.
	Like, as women, you might be motivated to become successful, but not for dating reasons.
	No.
	You're not going to be like, I want the high-paying job so that men will like me.
	No, no, no, no.
	But that's not.
	I know, I know.
	You can be motivated for your own reasons.
	Like, women can be absolutely motivated.
	Right.
	But it's not clear to me if this additional motivation exists in women.
	I want a high-paying job so men will like me.
	No, no, no.
	That's not even it.
	That's not even it.
	But, like, if that's if that is going to be changed and you want that equality, why keep going with that agenda and not like communicate?
	Who says we want to be a bad person?
	I'm not sure what you're doing.
	That's what people preach all the time.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Why do you want to involve all of us?
	Why are you so bad?
	Why do you want to take a woman?
	Why do you want to be a man?
	Honestly, because that is creating such beta men.
	I would like to creating such beta men if I care about that.
	Because I care about me.
	I care about me being able to.
	If nobody else is able to do that, I want to be able to do it for myself and not worry about it.
	But you can split the bill.
	There's nothing stopping you.
	Of course, there's splitting the bill.
	But we're having a conversation about wage gap here.
	I get that.
	And so my explanation is, simply put, that there is a mating pressure, which is extremely powerful on men.
	Also, men have higher sex drives than women.
	So in addition, not only do they have a higher sex drive.
	Hell yeah, they do.
	That's fine.
	Generally speaking, men have a higher sex drive, and then coupled with this mating pressure that exists on men that does not exist on women.
	It's a generalization that is kind of, in my opinion, fucking.
	So what we're trying to say is like the gender pay gap, we're not saying it's not there.
	We're just saying it's not a matter of injustice.
	It's a matter of just reality.
	It's there for a reason.
	Well, and the reality is there.
	I'm completely agreeing, too.
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, well, and the reality is there because men and women are totally different.
	So our motivations, our pressures, all of this stuff is totally different.
	So there's a reason why men have all of this pressure to get away from the pressure.
	Well, I like what Brian said as far as with women that are trying to work high-paying jobs.
	They're not doing it to be more attractive to men.
	They're doing it for, and I'm not saying this to sound mean or nasty or anything, but they're doing it for their own selfish reasons.
	They're doing it because they want to be breadwinners.
	They want to make money.
	They're not doing it necessarily for the family domain, where I feel like men usually have that more mindset of, I'm doing this because I want to care for my family.
	Generally speaking, women.
	Corporate America sold them hook, line, and seeker that it's more fulfilling to pursue a job than pursue family.
	Yeah.
	And why as women do you want to be so equal to men?
	That's so odd to me.
	Equal to men on the man billion.
	There are times where let's let Ryan.
	I don't know if you wanted to comment on okay.
	All right.
	So let's see.
	Getting into my notes here.
	Oh, Jess.
	Jess.
	Okay, here we go.
	I'm just kidding.
	I looked at your Instagram.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	I don't know if this is actually.
	Wait, Nick, can you put it on intro really quick?
	I just want to ask if it's fair game.
	I'm watching.
	We're giving.
	Andrew's probably still getting audio on his end.
	So, okay.
	I did see on your Instagram, so you dated somebody who was in the Hells Angels.
	I did, yeah, for eight years of my life.
	And were you like affiliated or not?
	I mean, affiliated.
	I mean, I'm a woman.
	I have nothing to do with it.
	Okay.
	And when we met, he was just like a normal dude.
	I mean, he was a normal dude for forever.
	But I mean, you know.
	Yeah.
	Are there like female bike bike groups?
	Not with Hells Angels.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Wait, were you involved too?
	No.
	That's why I'm like.
	So, no, there is, no, there's no, like, women.
	Yes, there are women clubs that ride their own bikes and they have their own situation, but it has nothing to do with the club.
	No, not at all.
	And I had nothing to do with it.
	I am still.
	Can you turn your mic down?
	You're good.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I have nothing to do with it.
	Like, they are still some of very, some of my great friends.
	Yeah.
	You know, their wives are some of my great friends.
	It's, I've never had a negative connotation.
	What is the word I'm looking for?
	Con what's the word I'm looking for?
	Connotation.
	Do you think all those like TV shows kind of get it wrong?
	Like, oh, a thousand percent.
	And like, literally, there's a, what word am I not supposed to use?
	Okay, I'm not supposed to use that word.
	They're like silly.
	Like, it's just like they chalk it up to like this whole like crazy, like, oh my gosh.
	Like, like, the amount of charity work they do.
	Yeah.
	Don't they do a lot of things?
	I mean, yes, a thousand percent.
	Um, I mean, every charter, like um, Oakland Charter, San Francisco, Bakersfield, Fresno.
	Fresno has one of the biggest bike giveaways every December.
	Um, they do a lot for their community.
	They also do rides for children that have been bullied, that have, they will take children to court that have been a word we can't use.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Um, you know what I mean?
	They do a lot of protect them, yeah.
	And I mean, in any negative content, that friggin' word is not coming to my head, and it's really connotation, connotation, negative connotation.
	Sorry, negative connotation.
	Thank you.
	You know, like, and as far as I interrupted my BGs for this, sorry.
	I mean, in any way you want to say how they treat women, um, honestly, I have never met a man in this organization that has treated their children wrong, their wives wrong.
	They are, like, I know them as family men, like, you know what I mean?
	And just, so it's just really different.
	I mean, obviously, it's there are, you know, things are different.
	All right, I was just, I was curious about that.
	I saw that, but I'm sure you had a lot of cool, interesting stories.
	Oh, I had a great time.
	I mean, I, to this day, you know, they're some of my greatest friends.
	It's some of my greatest experiences.
	I mean, I travel all over and I've been to see members in many different countries and they open their homes and you know, food and just they take care of you.
	Cool, cool.
	Going to Daria, you have a couple interesting tattoos.
	You have a, what's the BRR?
	Don't show us, but the B-R-R-R tattoo.
	What's that?
	Burt.
	Oh, Burt.
	It's like for a Gucci main.
	It's literally just.
	I was definitely.
	It's right above your hoovo.
	Yes.
	It's like right above your hat.
	There was supposed to be like a double.
	I don't know, dude.
	I was 20 and not in the best mental state to pick a tattoo, but I don't regret it.
	We should have a title.
	I'm a fan.
	I'm still a fan.
	We gotta do a tattoo segment on this.
	Bring that tattoo.
	Bring me back on that because I'll be able to do that.
	Do you think perhaps the reason you made the choice for the tattoo is because your prefrontal cortex was not fully determined.
	No, no, no.
	No, totally not.
	You're not going to give me that one.
	I don't know.
	I have one that's 70.
	I still fully stand by that.
	I was a fan and still am a fan of Gucci Main.
	So that's okay.
	It's a reference to the battle.
	I just didn't want to get an eye on it.
	What does Moda stand for?
	Moda, it's, I guess, Italian for trend in or like fashion, but it also is the same kind of same pronunciation in my language and Farsi, too.
	Okay.
	And then you, on your, one of your cheeks, you have a tattoo that says harder.
	You just go for the tattoo.
	It was on your Instagram.
	It is on your Instagram.
	No, I know.
	I was just curious.
	So it's on your.
	It's on the harder.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What's does that is that like a sex thing?
	Yes.
	And like my ex-fiancé stick and poked it.
	It was like romantic.
	I don't know, dude.
	That was the craziest relationship I had.
	So I don't, I don't regret it.
	It was still a great time.
	So like, but poetic.
	So it's, it kind of like alleviates you from from having the talk.
	You just what talk?
	You just say tattoo.
	You just say like what I want of what I prefer or what I guess.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I guess it does.
	Yeah.
	Better for me.
	I'm waiting for a girl.
	It would be nice if I was.
	I don't have a problem with that at all.
	I'm surprised you didn't notice this one.
	What is that?
	Is that the chat?
	That's literally the same one that Angelina have when she was with Billy Bob.
	Did you fuck Billy Bob?
	Hell no.
	He's hot, though.
	No, I did not fuck Billy Bob.
	He is hot.
	But also.
	He cast a spell on Angelina Jolie.
	I didn't want to get a name tattoo for who I was dating.
	And so we picked satirical celebrities that had tattoos of each other or whatever.
	He did wino forever.
	Oh God.
	Don't get me.
	Yeah.
	I loved it.
	Better than I didn't.
	Do you regret any of them?
	No, I don't.
	I don't.
	Not at all.
	Not at all.
	I mean, some of them maybe are like could be fixed up to look nicer than what I could afford at that age.
	But I don't, it's, you regret a tattoo.
	It's like regretting a part of your past that you believed in so strongly to tattoo at that time.
	It looks Andrew's still here, so that's good.
	I think it'll fix itself.
	Sorry, guys, we're getting a little bit of lag, boys.
	We're getting some lag while we're getting the lag.
	Hold on, boys.
	What does the chat say, Nick?
	It says Scott.
	Ooh, it's still bad.
	Hold on.
	It looks like it's...
	Oh!
	Hold on.
	Andrew, can you hear us?
	Andrew.
	Breaking up a little bit.
	It looks like it.
	Nope.
	Hey, Nick, stop the virtual camera.
	Stop the virtual camera.
	Oh, he's worried about my conversation.
	I think stopping the virtual cam might help it a little bit, potentially.
	Rip.
	Rip.
	Sorry, guys.
	Those of you who are watching this back on replay, we are having internet.
	It's like.
	I can't get it in.
	Give me one sec, boys.
	One sec.
	Buffering?
	I think.
	They're experiencing drop frames.
	do do do do do awkward All these people who are watching this back on playback, it's going to be...
	I'm going to give it 30 seconds, Nick.
	Oh!
	Oh, are we back, boys?
	Are we back?
	Are we freaking back, boys?
	We might be.
	We're in there like so many.
	I think we're back.
	Are we back?
	W, in the chat, refresh that shit, boys.
	Are we back?
	Oh, we are so back.
	Nice.
	We are so back.
	All right, you can give him the virtual cam.
	We'll be nice.
	Give him the virtual cam.
	All right.
	Where's Michael?
	Colin Coffee.
	Who knows?
	Okay.
	All right.
	We are back, boys.
	Hit the refresh.
	Sorry about that.
	Okay, I'll know where we were.
	While we're just kind of coming back to the tattoo stuff, Morgan, can I have you read this chat, please?
	Yep.
	Is there no more of an anecdote than personal experience?
	What is the majority?
	Let's be real.
	A woman and a man out in a freezer trying to get the power on.
	She's sitting in the truck with the heat.
	That?
	Not me.
	I would send her to the freezer.
	Damn, be pampered and high maintenance.
	that's like supporting the like women would never do well this actually brings us we haven't had the bullet conversation in a while Oh, no.
	So, truthfully, look, I think that.
	Maybe I should ask the question first.
	Don't explain it.
	Don't explain it.
	Okay, do you think a man should be willing to take a bullet for his girl?
	Oh.
	Like, would he be a bad guy?
	Would he be a little bitch if he wasn't willing to protect his girl?
	I think it depends on the level of connection.
	If it's like soulmate level, it's a yes or no.
	Like, this is your ride or die, bar.
	Does he ride or die?
	Yes, but also, given that, I feel like it should go for the woman as well.
	She should also.
	Yes, and like, this is completely off topic, like, completely off topic.
	But, like, me, non-romantically, like, my little brother and my dad, I would take bullets for them, you know?
	Like, I think it, it's totally.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Yeah, it's family, though.
	Yeah.
	It's family.
	Yeah, but like, even I have like guy friends from home like I grew up with, and I would take bullets for them, you know?
	Okay.
	Guy friends.
	Is everything okay?
	There's like acquired family, and then there's you have your guys grew up with them.
	They feel like you're a part of my family.
	Your thoughts, Morgan?
	I think, yeah, they should, yeah.
	The guy should, okay.
	What about you?
	Into the mic?
	She was pissing him.
	The guy should.
	The guy should take the bullet for the girl?
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	I mean, equally, but like, did he run off?
	Because then, yes, of course he's a bitch if he ran off.
	Okay.
	All right.
	If I will, he will.
	Basically, if I will.
	He will.
	He will.
	I will.
	If she will, she.
	I can't expect him to do something I wouldn't do.
	If he's the provider, then no.
	Provider.
	It doesn't matter.
	Then you're not being provided.
	I do happen to know one person who did, in fact, run off and his girl took a bullet for him.
	Like, that did happen in real time.
	So I guess there are women who will do that.
	Well, I guess, too, for me, when I say provider, I guess I view it from the standpoint.
	I do have a child.
	My child's father makes more money than I do.
	He has a more steady job than I do.
	He's got his shit together basically more than I do.
	So that doesn't make sense.
	So you should take the bullet then.
	Yes, that's what I'm saying.
	Okay, what do you want the bullet thing?
	Man.
	The man should take the bullet.
	Let them all die.
	No, I'm joking.
	Look, if I have to protect myself, why are you there?
	In chess, you lose if you sacrifice to save the queen.
	Yeah, okay, first off.
	And obviously, Queen's Gambit, baby.
	The world maps on to chess.
	Yes.
	So.
	One for one.
	I played chess off.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm just saying.
	I don't know why I brought that up, why that brought the whole thing up.
	I do think, but there's this thing: like, if the guy wasn't willing to protect his girlfriend in a situation to the point that he's either maimed or injured or even to the point of death, that he's a little bitch.
	Thank you.
	He's a little bitch.
	Well, I do think he don't do shit.
	I do think it comes into a different stance when there's children involved, though.
	Let me tell you something.
	No, but in that movie, you can't even like.
	Let me tell you something.
	Here's what I think, right?
	All right.
	You think the guy, you think people say, oh, he wouldn't be an alpha male.
	He would be a beta male.
	Yep.
	He'd be a little beta bitch.
	If he wasn't willing to take the bullet.
	But.
	Because if I remember.
	But hold on.
	Hold on.
	Wouldn't it be the most alpha Sigma Giga Chat movie for you to for the man to survive and just find some other chick and then let her, and just let her.
	That's the most gangster, that's the alpha male.
	That's alpha male.
	Yeah, you're gonna sacrifice the woman so you can survive and just go find another.
	But the woman okay, your reason, your reasoning's a little arsenal.
	No, but I will make sense.
	I will say, if you have children and if the man is the prime provider, the main provider, then yeah, he should be the one to live because he's gonna be the one continuing to provide.
	Okay, but you say okay, can I say with you saying that that if he's the main provider, then why then there should be no argument of like pay gap or whatever, because then why does he have to die?
	Because he's 100?
	What, Brian?
	You're wrong.
	Well, i'm wrong for me.
	That's kind of where my other argument was going into, like why do you?
	I'll tell you my viewpoint.
	Um, Christ died for the church and men are supposed to love theist.
	Okay, so this is what.
	This is what I have, this is what I have for you.
	Then your argument is just dismissed immediately.
	Love is if you sacrifice her and you want a woman, you have to protect her.
	Nobody wants a beta male and it's nobody wants a beta male about.
	If a woman has to sit there and protect herself, why are you even there?
	Why does she even want you?
	I do agree with that to an extent.
	I still feel like it makes for me, at least in my opinion.
	You could totally change my opinion on this if, if you have a reasoning for it, i'm not sitting here saying i'm right, you're wrong.
	But for me, how I view it, like I said again, is if, mind you, i'm not with my child's father, but if my child's father is gonna be more equipped to provide for our child, why would I say, oh well, just because i'm a woman, I should be the one to live she can take.
	If he could give him a better life and he could provide for him in a more, for a situation in a better way where he can have more things that he needs and he can provide more for him, then yeah, I would.
	I would want his dad to be.
	I think that having a bunch of beta men is why we are where we are.
	Oh no no, don't get me wrong.
	I totally agree.
	I totally agree.
	I'm just saying I think there's certain situations, especially when children are involved.
	That's absolutely right.
	That's my main point on that is when children are involved yes, if the man is any, doesn't matter.
	No point at any point.
	Four children, she's got to go.
	Ask her children, still she has to go.
	What if everybody should just carry equal providers?
	It doesn't even no, I could be hold on.
	No, no, no.
	I'm really messing with you, but even if I'm a fucking lazy POS and I'm staying at home, and my girl is a fucking G. If my girl's a G and she's bringing home a mill a year, she still takes the bullet.
	While you're sitting at home, you're losing us now.
	Yeah, while I'm sitting at home, yeah, that's that's she still takes the freaking bullet.
	All right, he said, Thank that very much.
	All right, never heard you have that kind of opinion, but okay, I have.
	Bro, my, I gotta, I gotta explore all I'll just find a new girl.
	Simple solution: just shoot them first.
	What the fuck?
	I'll just go back to the water.
	Why are you gonna carry on?
	Why are you not carrying?
	Why do you not have the means to protect yourself?
	No, why aren't you carrying like carry carrying?
	Okay, fine.
	I got it.
	Union in Comifornia.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah, it is hard to say.
	What do you think he's going to do?
	I mean, what are you talking about?
	Do you know what it takes to carry in Commifornia?
	Why aren't you carrying?
	Well, first things first, I don't have the right to carry in California, but everywhere else, pretty much.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But suddenly, but Brian's supposed to be carrying.
	Well, yes, this is his state that he lives in.
	I can carry it.
	Oh, you're not from California?
	No, I'm not from California, but I can carry pretty much.
	It's not in Chalisu State.
	You're in the communist capital of the United States, California.
	They don't let you carry guns in California.
	What are you rolling your eyes for?
	I'm not kidding.
	No, I believe you can get your CCW here.
	You just have to carry on.
	I believe that you're full of shit and don't know what the hell you're talking about.
	You could sooner make a million dollars in California than get a concealed carry permit.
	It's next to impossible.
	But you know, the show cause that you have to do in California is insane.
	Yeah, I forgot to say that.
	Then leave the state.
	No, my neighbor has one.
	Okay, but that's a totally separate conversation.
	How does that help your argument?
	Why aren't you carrying in a state you're not allowed to carry in, Brian?
	Oh, well, then I guess you should leave the state.
	Okay, with genius logic, you should turn the pat forward.
	Maybe it'll, you know, maybe turn it into a thinking cap.
	Turn it around.
	Come on, let's see it.
	Let's see the front of it.
	I know how to think.
	You think I know how to think?
	Also, I don't know.
	No, I think you don't know how to think.
	I just want to.
	Not at all.
	We do have.
	Hang on.
	There is a propeller.
	There's a little propeller hat that Brian keeps.
	Oh, yeah.
	The little.
	It does help people think sometimes.
	I asked him if I could wear one of the special hats.
	He said no.
	That is true.
	That is true.
	One of the special hats.
	Really?
	That is true.
	A special hat for a special person.
	He said that.
	He said he couldn't wear the special hat?
	Yeah, he said I could have wearing a pair of paper.
	Oh, she wanted to wear one of the picklehoppas.
	I was like, I was not talking about what we want to wear.
	What about the propeller hat?
	What the fuck?
	Look, okay.
	My body, my choice.
	Okay.
	Conditioning.
	If I don't want to take the bullet, I shouldn't have to.
	I mean, yeah, that's valid, but my body, my choice.
	That works well placed.
	Sure.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Okay, I do have actually a topic that maybe we don't need.
	We're just switching topics.
	We don't need to get it.
	I wanted to hear a little more from you on this.
	You had a little pushback.
	We won't linger long on it, though.
	So what's your pushback, I guess?
	On the carry?
	Yeah, on the carrying or on the men?
	Oh.
	Yeah, I believe that men should protect women, and that's why we are where we are, is because men aren't being men.
	They're being little bitch boys.
	If you want a woman, you got to treat her like a woman.
	If you want a boss babe, then you treat her like a boss babe.
	But you're not going to be a boss babe and be like a feminine, submissive woman, like what you're looking for.
	You're going to throw your little, your little submissive, feminine-bowing woman in front of a bullet for you.
	The only woman who's gonna sit there and bow to you, you're gonna throw her in front of a bullet.
	I'll find another one.
	Hang on, hang on.
	If she's submissive and she's gonna bow, then I mean can I like can I do it?
	How rare is that?
	Do a fact check.
	Isn't it like um what's the fact check?
	Isn't it like uh the uh testosterone levels and men have just decreased like that's because all the plastic material from makeup products?
	It's because getting in our balls.
	It's because all of the masculine men are taking bullets for all of these women.
	And we're still as fertile as ever doing eating the safe.
	Listen, there's too much plastics.
	It's turning the frog somehow.
	I like this.
	I like this.
	It means it means too much plastic.
	Did you guys hear about this?
	There's plastic in every plastic in men's balls.
	We can't talk about it.
	You can't talk about it.
	Wait, why can't you talk about plastic in men's balls?
	Does this have to be doing eating?
	It's medical information.
	Wait, just hide it in OBS first.
	Hello.
	What's happening right now?
	What is going on?
	Wait, Andrew, we can't talk about the medical talk.
	What?
	Oh, that's an issue?
	How is that?
	It falls under the TOS for conspiracy theories.
	Geez.
	Wait, really?
	We're considering it.
	Wait, but was I right about the testosterone thing?
	No, microplastics are like proven.
	Yeah, I had a kid.
	Bro, I'm telling you.
	Is it actually?
	Hold on.
	Wait, really?
	Is it the first time a medical thing has been frowned upon on YouTube?
	Debunk mine first.
	But there are microplastics in the environment.
	I thought everything you eat is true.
	What about the testosterone thing?
	Wait, but this is been reality.
	It does not matter on YouTube.
	No, but this was reported in like left-leaning organizations, NPR, The Guardian.
	So it's not like some fringe.
	It's been reported on.
	Unless you tie it into its turning the frogs blank.
	Yes.
	Oh, that's a joke, though.
	It doesn't.
	Okay, well, I mean, joke it should be.
	Can you answer my question?
	Okay, I don't know about the frogs.
	I don't know about the fucking fall.
	I'm just curious.
	There was an NPR article.
	Wait, Andrew, just speaking about it individually, I think that's fine.
	Oh, come on, Andrew, you just, what?
	You got some plastic in your balls?
	That's why you don't want to.
	Andrew, can you?
	Andrew's TOS.
	Let's do it.
	This is a sense of the message.
	All right, I'll just say that.
	Mr. Andrew, can you please let him answer this one first, though?
	The testosterone levels being lower throughout the years?
	Yeah, they're dropping, I guess.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Testosterone has been dropping since we've been recording it anyway.
	But they estimate that there may be somewhere between four to eight times as much testosterone just 100 years ago as men in their 20s have now.
	I have a question for Andrew because I feel like he might know it better.
	Because it's a topic you bring up a lot, and I think you might actually be wrong on it.
	And I'm willing to be corrected.
	Is when it comes to the whole basically if women have the right to not be involved type thing when you bring that up?
	This is an argument I make, but go ahead.
	Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.
	It's an argument you make.
	But I'm saying I think you might be wrong on it.
	I don't know for sure, but I think you might be wrong on something that you bring up a lot.
	Because you say basically that, okay, well, women have the right to do what they want and men don't have the right to make the decision to not be involved.
	Correct me if I'm wrong, because I feel like Andrew might know this.
	And it might be a state-to-state thing.
	I don't know.
	This is a genuine question.
	This isn't me.
	Okay, so let's back up real quick.
	Let's let her finish.
	Well, but basically what I'm saying is, like I said, it could be a state-to-state basis.
	Possible for a man, let's say, like I get pregnant, and it's by Brian.
	Brian doesn't want to be involved.
	He has the legal right to say, you know what, I want to sign my rights away.
	Are you ovulating it?
	Okay, sorry.
	Wait, it's okay.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Just responding to me.
	Okay, because you had said basically in the past that women have the right to do what they want and to keep it simple and men don't.
	Yep.
	And but I'm saying it could be a state based on what state you live in, but I'm pretty sure that you do men do have the right to sign away their rights.
	It might okay.
	So you're wrong.
	So to put it bluntly, so no, no, I'm fine with being wrong.
	I'm just, I'm asking.
	I'm asking.
	In absolutely no state in the U.S., I'm not even aware of any country anywhere where this is actually possible, although I'm not privy to the child support laws in the various countries.
	But I'm not aware of anything that would be like affirmative as far as it comes to men's ability to relinquish or relinquish responsibility.
	So at least within the United States, there's no state where a man can say, well, I knocked up a girl.
	She's going to keep the child.
	She's desirous of having child support.
	I can evade my responsibility.
	Well, if she agrees, if she agrees.
	Actually, but that's a different.
	But wait, that's a different argument here.
	No, no, no.
	I mean, I'm not even arguing the point.
	I'm saying that.
	I know, but what I'm saying is that when you're giving the position, you're giving the incorrect position that Brian holds.
	So Brian's position is if women are allowed to have abortions and can terminate their parental rights whenever, then men should be able to give up their parental rights if women are allowed to do this.
	Without their consent, basically.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's the argument.
	So without consent.
	Yes.
	Because women can have abortions without consent of the man, right?
	So even if it were true that if a woman consented, a man would be discharged from parental responsibility.
	Touch the court, okay?
	That's what people are saying.
	It ultimately wouldn't matter.
	No, yeah, because I was going to say there's.
	It could be my knee.
	Is it my knee?
	Is it like not fair that, like, what if the man does not want to have the child?
	And the woman still has it.
	Is that like the only reason I even that kind of came into my mind recently was because there is a girl I know personally.
	I'm not going to get too much into it because I don't want to air out her dirty laundry, but where the father didn't want to be involved and he was like umpteen thousand dollars basically in debt due to child support and he ended up signing away his rights and she agreed to it and now he has basically no rights to that child at all.
	He doesn't have to pay anything.
	He doesn't know where anyone is.
	Yeah, there can be custody arrangements which are agreed to by both parties where the father is discharged from this type of responsibility, but the court can also rule against that at any time.
	Yeah, so what I was going to say, so they can come.
	I would suspect this was maybe it was court approved, but this sort of arrangement could have just been determined between the two parents.
	Yes, yes.
	But she could then go to that court and say, I need child support and just reel him right back in.
	So in the United States.
	We open the case.
	And I will say, I will say, and at that point, they can take away your driver's license.
	They can start taking away your paycheck.
	And so, no, I do get that portion of it.
	I just wasn't sure necessarily if your stance was men don't have any option at all.
	They don't.
	No, what he's speaking.
	The argument that he's speaking to is this.
	He's looking for if women actually care about fairness or don't.
	Okay.
	And so the question is just this.
	If a woman without the consent of the father can abort the child, this gives her incredible leverage over a pregnancy that a man does not have, where she can discharge her parental rights at any time, regardless of what he wants.
	Yes.
	But a man can't do the same thing.
	So if you were to allow every single woman in the United States to have abortions on demand, Brian's position is that it seems fair to him that then men should be able to then discharge any parental rights they want on demand as well.
	Okay, okay.
	Right.
	But so I mean, to actually answer your question, in no state can a man do that on his own.
	You can, with the woman's grace.
	Yeah.
	You know, if you come to some out-of-court arrangement, but at any given moment, she could say, go to the court and say, I need child support, or even if she doesn't want child support, but she applies for some sort of government assistance.
	They're going to check out.
	They're going to go after him despite even the woman's wishes.
	Oh, no, I know.
	And go afterwards.
	I know that.
	If she needs to go on government support, food stamps, eat whatever it is.
	Trust me, I looked into that at one point.
	Right, when you collect child support from your well, yeah, I do.
	Yeah, I do.
	That's the thing is when I initially went to, because I initially looked through the government, but then they wanted all of his information, and that's where I got kind of uncomfortable with it because I was like, I know they're going to take a fuck ton of his money because he makes good money.
	So that's when me and him came to a mutual agreement.
	Yes, so you can have any kind of arrangement, really, so long as the, in terms of the child support, so long as the state isn't involved.
	But so I'm just trying to understand kind of what you're saying.
	No, I was saying, I was asking, because I personally did not know because, mind you, I only know my scenario.
	So I didn't know if it was, like I said, a state-to-state thing where it was like certain states you could, certain states you couldn't.
	That was my question.
	That was it.
	There's absolutely no state where a man could just willy-nilly say, I'm just going to choose not to pay.
	Like if the woman's desirous of it or the state wants to get involved, they're going to be able to go after it.
	The man has absolutely no say.
	Okay.
	18 years, he's going to be compelled to, in one way or another, make child support payments.
	And then I think the other thing, in addition to that, not only is there not currently any laws, there in all likelihood will never be such laws that would allow men to relinquish any sort of responsibility.
	Okay.
	My only thing was, it wasn't me like trying to debate you even necessarily.
	It was more of like a question thing because I was like, based off that one scenario I did know about with somebody I knew, I was like, okay, well, is he wrong then?
	Can you do it based on where you live?
	Or is it just like an agreement thing?
	No, there's no state.
	There's no state where there's any sort of law or anything that would allow a man.
	The typical terminology is legal paternal surrender.
	So essentially the man would say, I'm relinquishing all responsibility and all rights to the child.
	But he could still have it come back to Biden, basically, you're saying.
	No, I'm saying that's not even that.
	It doesn't exist.
	It doesn't exist.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Moving on.
	Moving on.
	I got more notes I need to get through.
	We have Mars here.
	Right?
	What's your actual name?
	Mars is funny.
	Oh, Mars?
	Okay.
	You said you dated an alcoholic racist and that was your last.
	Huh?
	Oh, I'm fine with, we can bring it back up.
	And you said you're Puerto Rican?
	Yeah.
	So that was interesting.
	Yeah.
	The alcoholic part or the racist part?
	Both of them.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You also said you wanted to talk, why do men not know how to act properly?
	Oh, I think I sent you a really, really long message.
	Well, you said they lack in basic manners.
	Maybe I'm just too old school.
	They harass you for a date when they get one, they don't talk or they're rude to you.
	Yeah.
	They just get drunk and I'm sure it's semi-specific.
	Yeah, no, the minimier tank.
	You just had an issue with my big labia matter.
	That was a joke.
	Rude.
	You're welcome.
	Modern dating is terrible.
	People assume dating and sex is synonymous and it's abysmal.
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	Here's a new one.
	You said that I'm.
	Actually, before we get into that, going around the table, if you were alone in a forest.
	Oh, no.
	Would you rather come across a random man or a random bear?
	A random man or a random bear?
	Yes.
	This is a very good question.
	Great question.
	I love that you've loved this right now.
	Give me one second because I do want to consider my options.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	She wants to know what kind of bear.
	Yes.
	Is it like a black bear?
	Because if it's brown, you don't know.
	If it's brown, you lay down.
	It could be a polar bear.
	You fight back.
	You're lying up for this.
	That's it.
	I have my answer now.
	So the question is: would you rather come across a random man or a random bear?
	Or a random bear?
	Could be a polar bear, could be a brown bear.
	I don't know what you're getting.
	Guys, quiet back there, please.
	Okay.
	This is really tricky because it does depend on the bear, but you said random bear.
	So I'm assuming it could be anybody.
	But then it depends on the man, too.
	You're right about that.
	So I'm saying random man or random bear.
	Oh, dude.
	Take my chance.
	It could be Bill Nye.
	It could be answer.
	Let's let her answer.
	I think random man, because then I would at least be able to communicate with him verbally.
	Bears don't speak English.
	That is true.
	That is true.
	So I think that I would choose the random man because then at least I could communicate.
	I could reasonably.
	Do they speak something besides English?
	They do, but I'm not actually fluent in bear.
	Contrary to popularly belief, I'm not.
	Do bears speak in bear?
	I think they growl.
	They're like, they express either anger, extreme anger, or satisfaction.
	I have not studied bear speak, so I'll choose the random man.
	Okay.
	I don't think anybody studied bear speak in English.
	You never know.
	I believe I answered this last time, but I would choose a man, yeah.
	A bear.
	Bear.
	Man.
	Always man.
	Burr.
	You'd pick the bear.
	And I do want to wait until she's back to get into it.
	So bear.
	Bear.
	Probably a bear.
	She's gone.
	I'll wait.
	I'm going to just pause the convo temporarily.
	Morgan, can I have you read a couple chats here?
	Yeah.
	You just close the deal with your next date.
	You're going to her place.
	She turns the lights on and you see her bookcase on the wall.
	What books do you see that make you turn and leave immediately?
	Scum Manifesto by Valerie Solano or some shit.
	White Fragility.
	Ooh, that's a good one.
	What's Mein Kampf?
	Yeah, definitely that one.
	What's the book by Karl Marx?
	Anything Gary Bishop as a Communist Manifesto?
	The Communist Manifesto.
	Let's see.
	Who here believes in capitalism?
	Oh, God.
	Kylie, are you a capitalist?
	I feel like in America, I don't really have a choice.
	You don't have a choice?
	We live in a capitalist society.
	What can I say?
	Well, would you prefer it to be a different economic model?
	I think that in theory, capitalism should work.
	I think that in order for it to work, though, you need more social provisions.
	I just don't think we have that right now.
	Obviously, I feel like that's pretty self-explanatory.
	But in an ideal world, then yes.
	But in an ideal world?
	Yes.
	You would want what?
	Communism?
	No, no, no.
	You misread me completely there.
	Capitalism?
	I think that capitalism with the adequate social provisions should be enough to function.
	I think right now in the U.S., it's not, unfortunately.
	Yeah, well, I think that's a mischaracterization of what we have in the U.S.
	I think it's because we've tried to institute certain social incentives that our capitalism is all messed up.
	You got to go to the back if you're going to eat it.
	Okay.
	We can't have it at the table.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	I just started complaining in the chat.
	I think it's because we have all of these social incentives, like the government trying to pay for school, the government trying to pay for medical, the government trying to pay for all this other stuff.
	It jacks prices up.
	So we don't really have a capitalist society.
	We don't really have a free market society because big businesses that suck at their job are just bailed out by the government because they're too big to fail.
	Whereas if it was actually capitalist, if it was actually free market, they would just be allowed to fail.
	And then good companies would be able to rise to the top.
	But we have lobbying groups.
	We have all of this inappropriate power that's being levied upon our free market system that makes it not so capitalist.
	No, I agree with your point that we don't.
	I feel like when I say we live in a capitalist society, I'm referring to the fact that the U.S., the dominant ideology in the U.S. is capitalism.
	That's more so what I'm referring to.
	I think it could probably agree on that.
	But yeah, I agree.
	There's never been a truly capitalist society.
	There hasn't been.
	I could agree that most of the people want a capitalist society because that's throughout history that's proven to be the best way to lift a country from nothing to something.
	Yeah, I think when you talk about social provisions too, I agree with your point that the government shouldn't be helping failing stuff like that.
	I think that there are a lot more like basic urgent needs that need to be addressed before that.
	I do have to move things on.
	Morgan, can I?
	Really?
	You do?
	I want to get into this.
	Okay.
	Here, let me have her read this and then you guys can get into it for a bit.
	What is this?
	If they will, I will.
	Bullet logic.
	One person takes a bullet to Dave the other.
	You gonna let your man take the shot, then jump on his dead body and get yourself murked too?
	Idiots.
	All right.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	If you guys want, you can have a brief exchange.
	Well, yeah, I was just curious if we could go through some of this.
	So, what basic needs are you talking about?
	I'm talking about like addressing homelessness in the U.S.
	I would say like bipartisan climate solutions.
	I would say those are just the two off the top of my head right now.
	Climate change is going to help who?
	So hang on.
	Hang on.
	Let's back up.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	Let me finish answering the question or asking the question.
	So when you're talking about climate change, who is this going to help?
	The climate change provisions.
	Who is it going to help specifically?
	Well, scientific data and peer-reviewed studies have already proven that we are seeing the effects of climate change.
	So it would help us currently, but increasingly so future generations.
	I'm talking about almost like a preservation matter at this point.
	So who would it help right now?
	Right now, it would help us.
	Do you see the amount of natural disasters that are occurring at rates that we've never seen before?
	The amount of people dying from heat waves is on the rise.
	Less people dying from heat waves than have ever died in heat waves in history, that's for sure.
	Because we have these cool things called air conditioners.
	But besides that, there's this other awesome fact, which is that, no, the climate change crisis is a complete made-up fiasco.
	It's nonsensical.
	And the data models are so overtly complex that it's essentially impossible for you to draw adequate conclusions from them.
	As it turns out, climate's really complicated.
	Isn't that amazing?
	Super complicated.
	But I'm going to let that go for a second, right?
	I just want to know: if you were the queen of the United States and you can have your perfect climate policy instituted, whatever that is, who would it help right now?
	Who would it help right now?
	Okay, well, first of all, I don't think I would ever want to be queen of the United States.
	Let me say that.
	Yeah, but if you were.
	I'm just prefacing.
	I would say that if I were to implement bipartisan climate solutions right now, it would mostly focus on shifting the labor markets over to sustainable energy.
	So I would say right now who it would help is in my perfect world as the queen of the United States, it would help people who are currently working in the gas industry and fossil fuels.
	I would say that those people all have jobs.
	Yes, but in my bipartisan.
	How would it help them?
	I would like to continue my thought without any interruptions.
	Yeah, I'm sure that you would, but I don't want you to prattle.
	I want to go point at it point by point.
	How would it actually help people in the gas industry who are working for the gas industry?
	I'm saying that in my bipartisan climate solution that I would implement theoretically, that it would shift our industry from being fossil fuel dominant over to sustainable energy, and it would first and foremost focus on protecting the jobs of those who are in those industries right now.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Most people who are in those industries right now already have jobs.
	How would this help them?
	You asked me to answer a question on a hypothetical.
	Okay, and then what was the question I asked you?
	Okay, hang on, hang on.
	What was the actual question I asked you?
	Just repeat it back to me if you don't mind.
	If you were the queen of the U.S., who would your policies?
	Yeah, we've got a little off topic, Brian.
	If I were the queen of the U.S. right now, who would my climate policies help right now?
	Right.
	So who would they help right now?
	How would it help people who have jobs to have jobs?
	I think that the U.S. systemically is so dependent on fossil fuels that I don't think that you can, from my point of view, and you don't have to agree with this.
	I'm not trying to force you to agree with me.
	I think that because our economy is so dependent on fossil fuels, that implementing like a sustainable policy like this, it wouldn't benefit anyone right now.
	I think I agree with your point on that.
	I'm talking about long-term solutions.
	That's more so my perspective here.
	Yeah, so it wouldn't help a single person right now.
	So if you were the queen of the United States, you would implement policies which wouldn't help a single fucking person right now.
	I think also you're ignoring that sometimes in politics, it's not just about policies helping people short-term that you're trying to create long-term systemic impact.
	Great.
	Okay, well, let's get into that.
	So you brought up the homeless crisis in the United States.
	I'm not sure it's a crisis, but the homeless problem.
	You're the queen of the United States.
	Same thing.
	How would you solve the problem of the homeless in the United States even with a long-term solution?
	Are you asking me, a 21-year-old college student, to solve U.S. homelessness right now?
	Can you vote?
	Yes, but I do.
	You're damn right I'm asking you the question.
	You got it, Kylie.
	I am a political science major.
	I believe in you.
	I love my presentation.
	Kylie for president.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Hang on.
	Kylie, are you allowed to vote?
	Yes, I am allowed to vote.
	Then, yeah, I'm asking you the question.
	That's right.
	I want to decline this question, and it's because I do not, I'm going to be honest, I truly don't think I'm equipped to solve U.S. homelessness.
	Crazy.
	Are you going to be voting this year?
	I will be voting, but I do have to vote for Biden, right?
	Public office ever.
	You're going to be voting for Biden, right?
	Decline the question.
	Yeah, you're going to be voting for Biden.
	You know what?
	Actually, Andrew, I did speak to her before the show.
	She said she's voting for Kanye.
	I almost were my.
	You weren't supposed to doubt anyone that was.
	She's voting for Kanye, Andrew.
	I'm sorry to ruin it.
	Andrew, respectfully decline, but I do appreciate you asking me about politics.
	Okay, well, let me ask you a different question.
	If you could have voted in the last election, who would you have voted for?
	This is a very tricky question for me to answer just because currently I do not agree with a lot of Biden's policies.
	Sure, but if you could have in the last election, who would you have voted for?
	I will say that given my knowledge at the time during the 2020 election, I would have voted for Biden.
	Right.
	Do I feel more apprehension voting for Biden now after seeing his first presidential term?
	Of course I do.
	I think a lot of people still vote.
	His approval rates are down.
	Trump's currently ahead in the polls.
	He'll still vote.
	I think, of course.
	But like, I think given.
	All right, let's not dog pile.
	Let's not dogpile.
	Well, there's no dog pile.
	I just wanted a quick answer to this.
	I had a feeling that it would have been Biden if you could have voted last time.
	Yes.
	You understand why the reason that I ask these questions, right?
	And you say, if you use the cop out, I'm just 21 years old.
	It's like, okay, but you can cancel my vote.
	You can cancel my vote.
	What's that?
	And that is, it's sickening to me that a person who, if we move into a political discussion, right?
	And it's not even anything against you.
	I just don't think that 21-year-olds are smart enough to fucking vote.
	You could ask them a question and they're like, I don't know.
	I'm only 21.
	It's like, well, then why are you fucking voting?
	Can I ask you a quick question?
	Uh-oh.
	Sure.
	What would you do to solve U.S. homelessness?
	What would you do?
	I would reopen mental institutions, public mental institutions, and put most of them in because that's what most of them are is mentally ill and they're homeless by choice.
	Most homeless people are homeless by choice or due to severe mental illness.
	Would you also implement policies to ensure the continuity of care once these people were out of the mental institution?
	We already had such policies and fucking Democrats destroyed it all.
	The passive, aggressive, pussy-ass Democrats with their bleeding hearts decided that they were going to tear down the public mental institutions.
	The reason that they did it is because they sent a reporter went in to one and found signs of abuse in one institution.
	And so they tore the entire thing down.
	That's why you have homeless people shitting on the sidewalks in San Francisco and why you have them shitting on the sidewalks in Miami, why you have needles all over the place because these are literally mentally ill people and you can't do anything with them.
	Nothing.
	I actually do agree with your point that we do need more federally funded mental health care for people who can't afford it otherwise.
	I will say that is a very valid point.
	I agree with that.
	That's how you solve the problem.
	Yes.
	And you know what else you do?
	You take the VA, you take the VA and every single veteran, you make them tax exempt for life.
	You make them tax exempt for life, period.
	And you give them the finest care possible.
	And the way that you do that is you divert all of these pro-drug policies and the enforcement arm of the pro-drug policies and you hand it over to the veterans.
	That's what you do.
	That's how you solve that problem and you make sure that they get the mental health care that they need.
	And the ones who are not veterans who are sitting in the streets and taking a shit, you lock them in mental institutions where they belong.
	I say I agree with your point that we do need better care for veterans.
	I think that there's needed to be, I think the U.S. health care system is just royally.
	have to move things on a little bit but that was a great back and forth between you two i don't know how the environment we were we hit homeless we had environmental issues we hit oil and gas it was good getting all the topics it was good really quick on the you you're an environmentalist um i care about the environmental say that if i have to put a label on it i feel like the only way that we're going to reach systemic change is by collective action.
	So I'm not an environmentalist per se.
	I'm someone who advocates for bipartisan climate solutions.
	And when you say collective action, do you mean like on an individual level?
	Like we shouldn't be using plastic straw, like plastic.
	What I mean by that is a broader concept.
	So I'm talking about the diffusion of innovation theory.
	So essentially it states that you have early adopters, right?
	It's a small percentage of people.
	And in order to create a new social convention, which is when the majority of society adopts a new idea and it becomes just like taught practice, it's passed along through generations and it becomes a part of our societal institutions.
	You need at least 50% of the population to embrace this new convention.
	So what would be, I mean, are you looking on the individual level that people need to make changes?
	I think that people individually should be making changes.
	I don't think it's the responsibility of the individuals.
	I will say, caveat to that, I think that it will be taking the work of individuals and also larger corporations.
	Okay, so what is like an action on the individual level that we should be doing to lessen the impact on the environment and climate?
	Like single-use plastics with I actually really appreciate you asking this question.
	This is, I think this is something that I personally do and it's such an easy fix.
	All I do is I wash my clothes on cold water.
	It's such an easy quick that you can make and it's environmentally friendly.
	It takes so much unnecessary energy in order to heat the water to go to your laundry room.
	I want everyone at the single table start washing your clothes with cold water.
	It's just as effective.
	Studies have shown that it's just as effectively.
	It cleans it better.
	Yeah, and it creates it better.
	And it gets the stains out faster.
	And it also, your colors won't fade.
	Your clothes will stay nice.
	You won't have to buy clothes as often because they're not fading.
	They're not deteriorating as quickly.
	And it's such an easy, quick.
	So what about like plastic usage?
	Plastic usage, I will say, okay, it's very, very hard to undercut plastic usage just because literally everything comes in a plastic container, right?
	So I'd say it's just like tiny steps.
	When I go to the grocery store, I try to bring like reusable produce bags and I try to bring my own bags.
	Sometimes I forget I'm human.
	I'm not going to beat myself up over that.
	And I don't think any of us should be like holding ourselves to these impossible standards.
	But I think there are like little things that you can take that do make a difference.
	Do you see this?
	Put it back on other angle, Nick, really quick.
	Back to the other angle.
	Yeah.
	You guys see this bottle?
	So I have a dating story.
	I don't know.
	Let's hear it.
	Let's hear it.
	This was three, four years ago.
	I don't remember exactly.
	Three, four years ago, I was on a date with a girl.
	I brought this, not this exact bottle.
	It used to actually be.
	It used to be it used to be called Poland Spring, but they rebranded.
	In any case, I brought a water bottle just like this onto a first date with a girl.
	And the date was actually going well.
	We were bantering.
	I don't think it was a perfect fit.
	But at the end of the date, as we were about to leave, and she made a statement about you shouldn't, this was one of the most peculiar things I've had happen on a date.
	She went on this rant.
	Like she was upset at me for having brought a plastic water.
	I'm not making this up.
	I swear this happened.
	She's got a flask, huh?
	No, I believe you.
	So I went on the first date.
	I didn't like that.
	And she was kind of eyeing it the whole time.
	And she's like, Brian, you shouldn't have brought a plastic water.
	It's so wasteful.
	Why would you like to see that?
	She's like looking at you shifty.
	Yeah.
	And I was wondering to myself if that was the reason why the whole date, she was a little bit on edge because I brought a plastic water bottle.
	And her tone when she confronted me on this, mind you, the date was pretty much over.
	She was like, last thing, you know, one last thing.
	I just, before we go, I want to tell you this.
	God, I wish I recorded that.
	Oh, my God.
	That would have been, okay, content.
	Okay.
	Anyways.
	Where was I?
	Oh, okay.
	She said SU in your plastic water bottle.
	Yeah, she was getting mad at you for having the plastic water bottle.
	Yeah, so I mean, and so I actually reversed it on her, and I was like, well, what kind of car do you drive?
	How often do you take vacations?
	I know that you're wearing makeup.
	That comes in plastic containers.
	Would you be willing to cease your makeup usage for the betterment of the environment?
	So I guess my question, kind of jumping off of that, is that a majority of you.
	Would you be willing to make a commitment right now if I'm willing?
	I will promise you, for all my washes, I will only use cold water if you are willing to stop buying and wearing makeup.
	Do you agree?
	Well, there's actually makeup that you can buy that uses reusable containers.
	See, like when I'm getting makeup, I buy refills.
	Well, okay, so what about the okay, so what about the yeah, and who is that makeup tested on?
	How did they test to make sure it was safe for green consumption?
	Okay, but so who now ties into climate change, by the way.
	I know it does.
	So the materials that are fine, it's in a paper biodegradable container.
	Although I suspect probably most of your makeup isn't, but maybe some is.
	So the actual makeup itself is made up of like, you know, I heard about this thing called Mika, Mica.
	Oh, and it's frequently in various, I don't know what specifically it's in, but foundation.
	I don't know exactly.
	And it's mined essentially by child labor.
	And, you know, then you obviously have to transport these raw materials.
	And then once this makeup is manufactured in some other country, a lot of these makeup products are not manufactured in the United States.
	It then has to be shipped across the sea.
	And then, you know, they're burning bunker fuel in these cargo ships, which is increased, which is fairly bad to the environment.
	So I guess, would you be willing to, I suppose there are some makeup products that are less impactful than others, but ultimately there's still an impact.
	So if I'm willing to, if I'm prepared to say, okay, I'll start washing with water, will you commit right now to no longer wear makeup for the rest of your life?
	Here's the thing, and I'm going to go back to your story about the water bottle.
	I think that you should be able to use your plastic water bottle, right?
	If I was that girl, I don't think I would have shunned you like that.
	I buy plastic water bottles every now and then, but you know what I do instead?
	I reuse them.
	I'll refill them with water later in case I don't have a water bottle.
	I'll recycle them.
	I'll do what I can, right?
	It's not about fully committing.
	It's about making the swaps when you can.
	When I ask you to, no, here's my logic behind it.
	When I ask you, you should, when I tell you, you should be washing your clothes with only cold water, does that make a difference in your life?
	Does that subtract anything from your life?
	Or is that just you flipping a switch on the washer, pressing start, and nothing in your life changes?
	No, it doesn't.
	I'm not sure.
	I would have to look into, there could be an argument that could be made.
	I'm not familiar.
	I haven't researched arguments when it comes to laundry, but there could be, couldn't there be some like, hold on, let me finish.
	Couldn't there be some argument that I can't believe I'm arguing this that washing things at a higher heat has a better like what's the word?
	Like if there's bacteria or something, it has a bigger impact than that.
	I get what you're saying, yeah, because hot water has been proven to kill germs better.
	That's in terms of dishes.
	That's with your saliva, everything like that.
	Well, what if your clothes are soiled?
	Are you soiling your clothes often?
	No, but I'm just for the sake of argument.
	I guess in that instance, yes, I would say that.
	I've never seen skin marks on the bottom.
	I mean, I use baby cards.
	You could just work in a farm or something like this and have soiled clothes, right?
	I mean, wait, but okay, so fine.
	Yeah, it'd be a very simple change.
	But like, I guess, what utility does wearing makeup serve?
	What utility does we have?
	What's the actual utility?
	I like doing it.
	I have a good time with it.
	I don't wear it most days.
	I would say that I wear it every now and then.
	A lot of days I'm just too lazy.
	And like, it's not.
	And if anyone wears it every single day, that's nothing against, like, I'm fine with that too.
	If no one decides to wear it, individual choice.
	What my argument here is that I make swaps for the climate in ways that are just like easy.
	I don't even have to think about it.
	But I'm not holding myself to this crazy standard.
	And I would never hold anyone else to this where like you have to do everything environmentally friendly because I think you're going to kill yourself trying to do that.
	Like you're, it's too much to expect.
	You're only human.
	Like I wouldn't expect you to do everything perfectly.
	You know what I mean?
	Like that's my logic with it is like you make the swaps when you can, but I'm not asking you to only use cold water if your argument about the soiling.
	I think that's a great point that you raised.
	If you so happen shit your pants, be my guest, use hot water on your clothes.
	Should you use cold water when you can?
	Yeah, probably.
	But I'm fine with that.
	So yeah, I'm fine with that.
	No, but I'm just saying you, you, okay, so I guess what where I'm trying to get at, you made a call to action.
	You're like, hey, everybody at the table, start washing your clothes with cold water.
	Yes.
	And I'm making a call to action to you to make your own commitment.
	To make your own commitment to no longer wearing makeup.
	Are you willing to accept this call to action?
	I will say that I will stop wearing, I'm going to do better research and I'm going to use makeup that has better environmental benefits.
	So there's makeup that you can get that's like refills of tin so you're not buying the packaging every single time.
	There's makeup with more eco-friendly packaging, makeup that's ethically sourced.
	I will make that commitment, Brian.
	Yeah, so I actually, I do appreciate you wanting to make these changes.
	I think that's awesome.
	I think if you, as a person, want to make those appeals to other people, that's great.
	The issue I come across with generally when this conversation comes up is when it's legislated by the government.
	So when it's legislated by the government, it's regardless of any data, regardless of any personal beliefs, regardless of what you think about the subject, we are mandating that you make this change.
	I think that's extremely dangerous.
	Can you put a live?
	What were you going to say?
	But if it's for the better of like having living on the planet longer.
	Well, so to Andrew's point, the climate is an extremely complicated piece of, you could say, machinery.
	There's so many complex parts to it, so many moving pieces.
	Actually, since.
	And their models are always wrong.
	Models are always wrong.
	The models are always wrong every single time.
	They're producing.
	They're false every single time.
	I have absolutely 100% climate change from my perspective.
	It's not the official whatever podcast dance.
	It's just Andrew Wilson's perspective.
	It's a total fucking scam.
	It's a cash scam, grab.
	It's a grab and go scam designed specifically for a bunch of politicians and lobbyists to pass climate change legislation so that giant megala corporations can do a hapless cash grab.
	That's exactly what's been going on since the 1980s.
	Back in the 60s and 70s, they were saying global cooling is going to destroy us all.
	Leonard Nimoy did an entire video about it.
	It was fantastically stupid.
	Then it's fantastically stupid.
	Now it's a pyramid scheme.
	All of the predictions have been wrong.
	I can show you prediction after prediction of climate experts claiming that within the next two years, we'll never be able to bring it back.
	And every single time the predictions are wrong, we are not facing any sort of extinction event due to climate change, not even close.
	Even recycling towards the end of the year.
	Let's move this on.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	One final quick thing.
	What were you saying about legislation again?
	So, we're going to move this on.
	I just want to make one more point.
	I mean, just kind of going off of what Andrew's explaining, like, where's the whole ozone layer?
	Where's the deforestation that was peddled by a bunch of different lobbying groups?
	Actually, the earth right now has more foliage than it did like 20 years ago by a great deal.
	So, I mean, we don't see these things actually coming to pass.
	They are all the time, every single time they've made a prediction and gone the opposite.
	There's also been researchers.
	Oh, I'm not sure if I'm doing the king of America for a day.
	How much debt do you have in student loans?
	Why isn't up and realize that you're being trained to be another mindless sheep by boomers who hate America?
	I actually do want to address this because I really appreciate you raising this point.
	I actually did IB in high school, so I came in with two years' worth of college credit.
	So, I'm graduating a year early, and I only have five grand of student debt, and I'm going to be paying that off within three years, and then I'm going to go to grad school debt-free.
	So, thank you for asking about my financial situation.
	Thank you, Walking Roscoe.
	Appreciate it.
	Morgan, can you read this one?
	Bill Nye noted that in the audience's lifetime, the percentage of the atmosphere that is carbon dioxide, the prominent greenhouse gas causing global warming, has increased from 0.03% to 0.04%.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	Thank you, K Mosfu20, for the tip there.
	Appreciate it.
	That's 0.4%.
	Oh, no.
	What are we going to do?
	It's over.
	It's over for everybody.
	So, to bring it back, we were talking about the bear thing.
	You were gone.
	You were in the bathroom doing like a stick and poke tattoo or something.
	Yeah.
	Get it out of the way.
	Would you rather come across a random man or a random bear in the woods?
	A bear.
	Okay.
	So, bear, bear.
	Bear, I'd like to hear the reasons why, starting with you.
	Okay, so first things first, bears act.
	Fuck.
	Bears act strictly off of instinct.
	So usually if they attack, they're probably threatened.
	Human beings, we have the ability to critically and logically think.
	We also tend to have a moral compass.
	So anything a human does is significantly worse.
	I am much more easily going to forgive a bear for mauling a human being than I will a man for hitting a woman.
	Men are more dangerous because we have a moral compass.
	We know it's wrong, but people still do it.
	Right, but this is assuming that in both instances, this is doing a comparison where the man attacks the woman and the bear attacks the woman.
	Danger-wise.
	This is assuming that in all scenarios, this woman is going to be attacked.
	Again, I would rather, I would forgive the bear a lot easier than I would forgive the human.
	What does that have anything to do with making a risk assessment of which one is more likely to attack you?
	Because that is essentially what this question begs.
	I guess I don't know, you're in the forest.
	Well, hold on.
	Let me get everybody's justification before I give my take.
	So, why bear?
	I don't know.
	You're in the forest.
	And, like, people can behave.
	Is that a setting, or am I wrong?
	So, I think.
	I don't know.
	Yes, you are in the forest.
	Okay.
	But I'm confused.
	Whatever.
	I'm assuming I wouldn't see a bear in my house or anything like that.
	Like, I don't know.
	Like, if it's more secluded, then I would probably buy the bear more.
	I don't know.
	Does that make considerations?
	If we're making considerations for where we're going to see the bear, who are the type of men you're generally going to see in the forest?
	Dudes who are just going camping.
	Kind of like want to ignore society.
	Like, they're kind of just chill guys doing bro stuff.
	Like, if you're going to run across a guy in the forest, it's probably going to be a dude that's kind of just a normal guy.
	So if we're going to make those considerations for the bear, we should make those considerations for the guys.
	Why the bear?
	I will say.
	For the past two months, I already had my weird, creepy, not good things with men, and I rather trust the bear right now than for men.
	Okay, so you had bad personal experiences in your own life.
	Yes.
	Ergo, you'd rather be in a forest alone with a bear versus a man.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Brian, I've actually changed my opinion on this.
	Does that not?
	What's your opinion?
	My opinion is I totally side with the bear now.
	Because I will tell you why.
	All right, let's hear.
	The bear is satisfied with a good meal.
	The woman gets to accurately play the victim.
	And the man has no, there's no ill will on his side.
	Nothing happened.
	He's not blamed for any of it.
	I'd rather be fair.
	Everyone wins.
	Everyone wins.
	There's a flaw in your logic.
	I'd rather be fair.
	Tell me, tell me.
	Hang on.
	I'll tell you the flaw.
	The flaw is that after all of the bitching, whining, and screaming from this woman who was mauled by a bear due to her own stupidity, some man's going to have to go out there and put the bear down.
	Fair, you're right, Andrew.
	But the bear already got me.
	So I just spent the last like four days up in Keene Canyon in Sequoia.
	And yes, I was hiking out with bears.
	And I was at a river and I went swimming and there was a bear like 50 yards away.
	It was a mom with her cub.
	They left me alone.
	I left them alone.
	I went swimming in the river.
	I took a nap on a rock.
	I woke up and they were gone.
	But when you see a man on a trail, you go like, you completely ignore them and dodge them.
	Okay, so hold on.
	So let's just say you did that, right?
	Did the man chase you down and then attack you?
	No, but you tend to more likely do.
	Okay, but so you took an action.
	Like, you took an action, but it doesn't mean that, like, nothing happened.
	Yeah.
	You ignored him like you got a bear.
	The difference is that you don't know what that person's thinking, right?
	When you sit there and you pass the bear in the woods, but the bears are predictable.
	No, you pass the bear in the woods.
	The bear is predictable because it acts off of instinct.
	Humans can sit there and they can pass you and then they can come behind you and like pop you in the head or whatever.
	Fuck.
	Well, then let me ask you a question just to be good because you can predict bear behavior and you're obviously very skilled at the prediction of bear behavior.
	If you were to, do you think, walk up to 50 random men and pat them on the head or 50 random bears and pat them on the head, which one do you think would be more likely to fucking maul you to death?
	The bear.
	That makes it predictable.
	Hold on.
	That's a completely different situation.
	It's not in its natural habitat.
	What do you mean?
	It's like a fire.
	No, you can do it in their natural habitat.
	You walk right over and you just go and pat it on its fucking head.
	I'm going to dodge both the bear and the man.
	The man's in his natural habits.
	My point is that human beings are more dangerous than bears.
	Okay, so let's try this again.
	You didn't think that's the only thing that's happening.
	Would agree that men are in their natural habitat.
	If you find one in a city or you find one in the country, they're in their natural habitat.
	And if you walked over and you were to pat just random men on the head versus random bears on the head, which one do you think would be more likely to viciously attack you and kill you?
	Probably the bear, but that's why you probably don't be stupid.
	Because you know, you have bears.
	It would be pretty stupid to take a gamble with a bear.
	Exactly.
	You'd be far more comfortable patting random men.
	Touching random men without their permission seems to be well within your comfort level as opposed to touching random bears.
	Comfortability and predictability is different, though.
	Bother a bear the way you bother men.
	But I get where you're going with this, but it's more about, like, I think you're trying to say that they're just more predictable.
	That's why I wouldn't because any animal acts off instinct.
	It's easy to predict their next move.
	Human beings, you can't predict their next move.
	Not just men.
	I wouldn't even say that about just men, but the moves of a wild bear, really?
	No, yeah.
	That's.
	I mean, I'm an outdoorsman as well.
	I'm a hunter.
	I spend a lot of time outdoors.
	I got to push back on this a little bit.
	So, like, bears, they can manipulate you into thinking that they might eat you and then they won't.
	Bears are very simple.
	Yeah, you're right.
	They are simple.
	It is either I'm going to kill you, I'm going to eliminate this new threat, or I'm going to go away.
	Those are the only two options.
	With a man, there are a million options, and only a few of them are bad.
	Most of them are like, hey, I'm going to say hi to you, or I'm going to ignore you.
	Most of them, and you probably won't even see the guy.
	That's absolutely fair.
	And I agree with that.
	So there are far less negative outcomes with the man than there are the bears.
	But far less negative, or are you going to go for, I know for sure more what the bear is going to do?
	Yeah, I know for sure that the bear is either going to avoid me or murder me.
	I'm not willing to take that chance.
	I'm much more likely to take the chance with the guy because there are more options than ignore me or murder me.
	I would take that gamble any day.
	Torture you should.
	Generally speaking, that's probably not going to happen.
	But with a bear, it is one of two options.
	And he just might be hungry.
	The bear, if it's hungry enough, it's like, hey, that thing's smaller than me.
	I'm going to kill it and eat it.
	I think these answers from bears think that way.
	It is, am I hungry?
	They don't have too many thoughts on the family.
	I have never ran across an aggressive bear, and I've been around a lot of bears from the Appalachian to up North California.
	If you won't understand that, yeah, fucking right.
	What bears have you been around in the Appalachias?
	What bears?
	What bears were you running into in the Appalachians?
	There are a lot of bears in Tennessee.
	What kind?
	They're black bears.
	How many bears?
	And what other kinds of bears are there?
	How many bears have you come across?
	Yeah, how many bears?
	How many bears have you literally?
	I am in the woods a lot.
	Okay, literally, literally dozens, like you cross paths.
	Yes.
	I literally have a selfie with me and a bear in the back.
	Okay.
	And then how many men have you walked past?
	Too many.
	Millions.
	But okay, okay, wait, wait, wait.
	Wait, why do you say it like that?
	Hold on, let her answer.
	Yes, I'm antisocial.
	Oh, you're not anti-men?
	No, no, I hate everybody equally.
	Okay, so how many men do you think you've just walked past without incidents?
	Millions?
	Quite a few.
	Maybe not millions.
	Hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands?
	Throughout the whole course of your life?
	Think of high school.
	Yeah, but a bear has never armed me.
	At the mall, at the restaurant.
	Yes, perhaps I'm not doubting that a man or some men in your life have hurt you.
	That's probably where that answer really comes in.
	How many, let me ask you a question.
	How many hours of your life have you been in proximity to men as compared to proximity to bears?
	Like, would you say it's you've been in proximity to bears for less than an hour of your life?
	No, I would say more than an hour.
	It's probably on the order of magnitude of that.
	You said a couple dozen, so you're just kicking it with bears for like 30 minutes.
	You're just chilling.
	Sometimes you just sit there and you watch the bear and you're just like, okay, cool.
	If we're chalking it down to just like a comparison to a bear, then obviously, yeah, like this, this is kind of like ridiculous.
	But the answers that are coming from like a bear being more likely us to be wanted to interact with than a man is coming from other situations that are a little bit more deeper than that.
	My point is that human beings are more dangerous than bears.
	I'm just trying not to say things I'm not allowed to either at the same time.
	Yeah.
	I'm not saying that human beings are less capable of inflicting harm.
	They are more capable of inflicting harm.
	But on average, men are not going to inflict harm unnecessarily compared to bears.
	Bears don't care.
	They're just going to do what they want to do regardless.
	There are less walls they have to go over.
	Morals, their humanity, like, is this other person posing a threat?
	All of those walls have to be crossed by a man.
	But for a bear to want to maul you, it's like one or two.
	It's like, do I feel like?
	That's why I say it's significantly easier to forgive a bear than it is forgotten.
	Or it's not about forgift to do that.
	It's like it's likelihood of being harmed.
	Well, yeah, I would still pick the bear.
	I would rather be mauled by a bear than hurt by a fear.
	This whole life, it's all kinds of okay with that.
	It's all just fine.
	I know, have you ever seen a woman?
	I mean, who cares?
	Have you ever seen a woman's reaction to a spider?
	And y'all gonna pick bear?
	I love spiders.
	Okay, what you got?
	Can I add a little follow-up question to the bear talk, keeping on the subject of bear talk?
	And I want everyone to answer real quickly.
	You're walking through a forest.
	This is part two of the question.
	You're walking through a forest, and you can see one of the three following things.
	What do you pick?
	A man, a bear, or a woman?
	Which one do you pick?
	A man?
	Still probably the bear.
	Still a man.
	No, solely just, I don't think there's any right or wrong answer.
	I'm just asking out of curiosity.
	A woman?
	No, I don't know.
	I would choose a man because a woman can't help me.
	Yeah, I would trust in a man more than I would trust in a woman.
	Thousands have.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	I'm a firm believer if you can't get out of the woods by yourself, you don't deserve to get out of the woods.
	It's not really the question, but.
	Fair enough.
	I mean, you can.
	They're talking about a man helping them.
	No, I mean, that's not.
	Yeah, if I was in the woods how I kind of view it is that wait wait wait Are you one of those people who would be able to get out of the woods yourself?
	Yeah, I just spent the last four days in the fucking woods.
	All right, great.
	Can you tell me how you make a fire in the woods?
	Yeah, you have a spark thing.
	Yeah, no, you don't have anything.
	You just have your bare hands.
	would you make a fire the stick with the little what what does that mean I don't know what that means.
	Just walk me through how you would make a fire in the woods.
	You rub the sticks together, dude.
	What's the little bit of...
	You rub two sticks together.
	And then what happens when you rub two sticks together?
	Friction happens, and then it creates heat, and then heat creates fire.
	Well, I mean, that's true, but you would have to combust something, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, so why don't you walk me through, without being snarky, actually walk me through how you would start a fire in the woods by yourself?
	Doesn't having to start a fire have to do with anything?
	It follows.
	What does you, why, why?
	I don't understand.
	You're one of the guys.
	You're going to make it.
	You're the person who's going to make it out of these woods.
	You are a savage She-Rabrod.
	Now tell me how you make a fire in the woods when you don't have anything to make a fire with.
	Tell me.
	You can carry a lighter.
	You don't have a lighter.
	I don't know why you don't have a lighter, but I'm very prepared when I go in the woods.
	Why don't you answer the question?
	I don't feel like answering this question.
	You can't answer the question, right?
	No, because I already answered it.
	But you would be one of the ones who got out of the woods, right?
	Yes.
	No, I would die in the woods.
	Wait, why don't you feel like answering the question?
	I just answered the question.
	You didn't answer.
	Friction creates heat.
	He creates fire.
	Yeah, but he was.
	That's just an oversimplification.
	Walk me through how you would do it.
	I'm good.
	Just take the L and say you don't know.
	Okay, fine.
	I don't know.
	You don't.
	So, okay.
	You actually don't know, though.
	Can you into the mic?
	I do not feel like having this conversation right now.
	Hold on.
	You're triggered over the making fire conversation?
	I'm not.
	That's where you draw the line on making fire?
	Yes.
	I draw the line at making fire.
	I will not make fire.
	I will die in the woods, cold and alone, happy.
	Well, why?
	Okay, why don't you just engage in good faith?
	Like, I don't get it.
	I mean, it's kind of funny to me that, I mean, you were so into the conversation five seconds ago, and then suddenly I don't want to answer any questions.
	Very strange.
	In fact, hold on.
	In your pre-show notes, you said you're incorrect about the bear debate.
	And if it is still a topic of conversation when I come on the show, I would love to come on and tell you you're wrong if you would have me again.
	Yeah.
	So you can't just shut down the conversation.
	But this has to be.
	Actually, I brought up the debate.
	I already told you.
	I brought up the bear debate precisely because.
	I already told you.
	I prefer to pick the bear.
	And I said, I'm a firm believer: if you can't make it out alive by yourself, then you don't deserve to make it out alive.
	But you also said you would be one of the ones who did.
	Okay, then I won't.
	I'll die in the woods.
	So you wouldn't be one of the ones who would make it out of the woods?
	No, I won't.
	Jesus.
	But you're holding yourself out to be some like survivalist, and he's asking you a basic survival question.
	I'm not a survivalist.
	I just hike in the woods for days at a time.
	Okay.
	Okay, well, she doesn't want to answer the fire question because there's not really anything we can do.
	You take two sticks and you rub them together.
	Rub them together.
	That's wrapping.
	And then fire.
	Exactly.
	Okay, well, I'll move it on to the next one.
	Because friction.
	Because friction is tough.
	Yes.
	You also, I mean, we touched on the bullet thing, the whole protection thing in your pre-show notes.
	You said you're also wrong about men not dying for, slash, or protecting in general their women, women.
	Yes, women do need to be parentheses a lot better.
	There's definitely a pattern of absent fathers and horse women.
	These are your words, not mine.
	However, men shoving off their protector-provider responsibility is the reason women have had to step up in those roles, making women more masculine slash, I don't need a man feminist.
	The reason women are the way they are now is because boys are not growing up into men, but rather staying in a Peter Pan, never grow-up state because the women have taken over and men don't feel the need to step up.
	A lot of these men out here are still sucking on their mom's tauta.
	This is also the reason so many of the young men are depressed because they don't feel they have a purpose or they are needed.
	If we as a society bring back strong masculine men and not the fake, I want to control my woman type of masculinity, there's a lot of that.
	Women would fall in line with much less resistance.
	Do you want to elaborate or anything?
	What would you like me to elaborate on?
	Well, I was just reading your pre-show notes.
	I don't know if you had any additions, addendums, amendments.
	No, I think I meant what I said.
	If you would like clarification on it, I think I made it pretty.
	Okay, well, I'll ask you a couple questions.
	Then you said, not the fake, I want to control my woman type of masculinity.
	What does that mean?
	Oh, there's a lot of men who sit there and they act like they're masculine just so they can control the woman.
	Like one of them.
	No, they sit there and they tell her what she can and can't do.
	As if she's like a helpless.
	Okay, hold on.
	Okay, so what about I'm dating a girl, and I say, I don't want you going out to bars and nightclubs.
	Is that controlling?
	No, that's not controlling.
	That's a safety thing.
	But she should also know that.
	Okay, so, I mean, what would be a controlling thing then?
	Saying that you can't, like, I don't know, go out with your family or some shit.
	Like, that's the kind of shit like my ex used to say.
	Yeah, no, I've got to get it.
	He wouldn't let me.
	Yeah, he wouldn't let me go out with my family because he was a racist.
	Well, now we're talking about something kind of different.
	That's the controlling aspect that I'm.
	A lot of men I have met are like that.
	How is going out with your family racist?
	I think she said something.
	I have no idea.
	Anyways, moving this on.
	So, I mean, here's my rebuttal.
	This is absolutely bulletproof.
	Not fallacious at all.
	Definitely not fallacious.
	Absolutely bulletproof.
	You have a septum piercing.
	Case closed.
	So I can just disregard every single thing you say.
	I'm going to call it the septum piercing razor.
	Okay.
	She who has a septum piercing, you can just disregard all the shit she says.
	That's called.
	It's called the septinium fallacy.
	And I actually, Andrew, I think you'll like this one.
	There's also, Andrew, you and me, we've tangled with a couple women who on their Instagram, some of them are OF girls, on their Instagram or their Twitter, there's photos of them with a substance on their face.
	Oh.
	And a couple girls.
	So I'd like to.
	I know that.
	Oh, my God.
	So there's a razor.
	Substance.
	What sort of substance?
	What sort of substance are you talking about?
	It comes from the fallacy.
	Oh, it does.
	Okay, guys.
	So I'm dubbing this the Atlas razor.
	One's opinion can be dismissed should one have a photo of them with jizz on their face.
	It's called the Atlas's razor.
	Is that a real thing?
	You can just dismiss anybody.
	You can dismiss any assertions or opinions they have if you have a photo.
	Man or a woman.
	This is sexist.
	This is an answer.
	Ryan doesn't know this, but this is the age-old answer to what is called the genetic fallacy.
	The genetic fallacy is when you essentially say that the argument isn't valid due to the source of the argument itself.
	That would be the genetic fallacy.
	But this is the counter to it.
	This is the counter to the genetic fallacy.
	Counter.
	So if the source has jizz on its face, you can instantly dismiss it as being invalid and it invalidates the genetic fallacy.
	I agree.
	This is the Atlas response to the genetic fallacy.
	I think that that's fair.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, this isn't like a sexist thing.
	If a guy has a photo with spunk on his face, you can also dismiss his.
	Huh?
	It's just the photo part that, like, does it?
	Well, that's the proof.
	You need the proof.
	You can't just assert that, you know, somebody had that on their face at one time.
	There needs to be evidence.
	Oh, and it's got to be on the phone.
	All right.
	Did you have something else?
	Sorry?
	No, I think I made my point by the way.
	By the way, this is now, we're going to refer to this as the Kuhn clause, which invalidates the genetic fallacy from here on out.
	Yeah.
	Good talk.
	Anyways, but don't you think it's a little, you know, don't you think it's a little this whole bear thing, you know?
	I like little discriminant, little bias, little anti-biology.
	This is what I'll tell you.
	This is what I'll tell you.
	A little anti-male bias.
	I like animals more than people in general.
	You didn't understand the point.
	Like the point I was trying to make.
	What were you trying to make?
	Like it keeps coming up that we keep saying bear most of us, at least because of the experiences we've individually had with can I ask you a question?
	And it has nothing to do with the bear.
	Obviously, I don't want to interact with you.
	So let's just change, let's change up this scenario then.
	Let's change.
	Have you ever had a bad experience with someone who's part of a racial group?
	I was going to do one better.
	No, hold on.
	Let her answer the question.
	I mean, like, have you ever had a bad experience?
	I'm not saying because they're part of that racial group, but let's say you had a bad experience with someone who happened to be part of a racial group.
	It could be a white person, could be a black person.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, sure.
	Right.
	Would that then be pretext for having a negative bias towards the racial group?
	No.
	So why is it okay then to have a negative bias towards the male group?
	Because it could have been a man or a woman.
	Like, in my case, I'm not thinking of it as it just being the man that I wouldn't.
	No, but you're precise.
	You're saying we've had bad experience with men.
	Because that was your argument.
	Like, no, but realistically, it could have been a man or a man.
	But if you make that same argument against a racial group, it could be a race.
	It could be that racist man or woman that could.
	But would you then be racist if you said, because I had a bad experience with a person who's part of this group, I no longer feel comfortable.
	I no longer feel safe.
	I no longer trust this group.
	No, I don't understand.
	Is it racist?
	No.
	And I could be totally like.
	So then, okay, fine.
	I could be totally not catching on to what you're saying.
	You're not catching me.
	I could be.
	No, I'm saying that could be possible.
	You said because of my past bad experiences with men.
	Right, right.
	I don't, I don't feel safe around men.
	I don't trust men.
	I'd rather be in a forest with a bear.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	When I include it's not just the man thing.
	I'm not going for just the man.
	It could have been anything.
	I forgot though.
	That's the part where I'm not.
	I'd rather be alone.
	Okay, so would you rather be alone in the forest with a woman or a bear?
	At this point, fucking neither, dude.
	Because I don't care about that bear.
	It's like a bad thing.
	I'm not going to let you weasel out of this.
	Answer the question.
	Bear.
	Bill Bear.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, I've been treated weirdly by women just as much as I have by men different ways.
	I don't know.
	But that's not a sexist thing to me at all.
	Not sexist to be more afraid of.
	You're just saying bear.
	Because, I mean, if you're saying bear now just because, but, like, no, you're going to choose a woman, but that's not necessarily fair.
	Because I know every girl sitting at this table has had a friend in their life that was their friend who is no longer their friend because that particular girl did them so dirty or did them something terrible or started some terrible thing in their life.
	But you're not going to hold that against their girl and you're going to be like, dude, I like you a lot.
	I want to be your friend.
	You will never do that.
	You will trust another woman.
	So how can you not trust another man?
	Nickelodeon donated $199.
	Please stop trying to bring up your trauma to be aware of that.
	Animals are definitely better.
	So you can say it's too traumatic to talk about and act like a victim.
	We don't want to hear it.
	Go talk to the bear about your traumas.
	Okay, thank you, Nickelodeon.
	Appreciate it.
	Bye.
	I think you need therapy.
	Okay, so somebody rightly brought up in my chat that we'll call it the genetic material fallacy.
	Nice.
	Hold on.
	I'm too late on the button.
	Okay.
	Morgan, can I have you read this one?
	Yeah.
	Ladies, you are alone in a lake, let's say, Florida.
	Would you rather come across a man or in 12-foot alligators?
	All right, going around the table.
	Which one?
	Why do I always have to start the question?
	Unfortunately, we'll start over here.
	We'll start over here.
	Please switch the rotation bar.
	Hold on.
	Go ahead.
	Gator.
	You want to be with the gator?
	I'll be with the gator.
	I'll catch him.
	I'll barbecue him up.
	Smoke him.
	Couldn't you also cannibalize the man?
	Yeah, but that's gross.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	All right.
	What about you?
	If it comes down to any wild animal, it's going to be me.
	Yeah, scoot.
	If it comes down to any wild animal, I'm going to always pick a man.
	Okay.
	Man.
	12-foot alligator or man?
	It's a hell for a man.
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	Man.
	And I don't know.
	Probably a man.
	This is you.
	She picked the bear, but she switched the alligator.
	Alligators are scary.
	Alligators like a dinosaur.
	So we're bears.
	Okay, I saw a dress.
	Switching subjects here.
	Let's see.
	We had.
	Oh, something.
	Wait.
	No, this is for our friend here.
	Oh, you had a crazy tattoo too, right?
	What's the one that you have?
	What is your tattoo?
	Lucky you.
	Into the mic.
	I have a lucky you tattoo tattooed right above my hunana.
	Yeah.
	What a name.
	Good song.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And to Andrew's defense, or not defense, but told me.
	For the love of all that is good, please don't defend any artist.
	No, I just said not defend.
	Defend was a wrong word.
	Don't do it.
	Don't do it.
	Oh, we're doing it.
	We're hoping you in here.
	To reiterate what he said last time.
	Yes, we all know it came from not the original Harley Quinton.
	Sick.
	Okay.
	You said that your first relationship was with the drug dealer?
	Yeah, we put that in your notes.
	Yeah, we briefly talked about that last time.
	Last time I was talking about that.
	Yeah, I think I mentioned that in there.
	I was like, we kind of touched base on that a little bit.
	I just kind of brought it up again because you guys had the question about the dating experience.
	And you said you were alpha-widowed?
	Yeah, it was the term I think one Jake used.
	Yeah.
	Or was it you?
	No.
	Jake?
	Australian guy.
	Well, no, because you looked at him all weird, so I thought maybe I got them confused or something.
	Yeah, because...
	What does that mean?
	Alpha-widowed is basically where you end up dating somebody and they fuck you up so bad that you don't date again.
	Wasn't there another word?
	I'm too slow.
	Fuck.
	All right.
	Were you dating him last show?
	The guy?
	No, I've been single for about two and a half years now.
	Celibate?
	Are you celibate?
	I've been celibate for eight or nine months now.
	No, I'm being serious.
	I've got off birth control, so that's also a big reason why that I.
	I mean, they're not.
	Well, no, because I'm saying I don't feel comfortable right now having sex with somebody that I'm not in an intimate relationship or committed relationship with, not being on birth control.
	Is that so?
	Because you don't want to use a rubber.
	Is that it?
	No, it's not even just that.
	It's a surprise.
	I just don't.
	I don't trust it.
	Let's put it this way: even being on birth control, I'm that person that would still have fear of getting pregnant.
	So I just don't want to risk it.
	I just don't find the need to risk it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Was there more that occurred?
	Because you mentioned the Alpha Widow thing again in your pre-show notes.
	Oh, no.
	I said basically that I felt I was officially out of that scenario now because recently I found out he has knocked up a third woman that he's not with.
	So I was like, I've really got to start questioning the type of men I'm into.
	A bear isn't going to do that.
	Actually, bear probably procreate more than a man would.
	A bear just eats their young.
	But I get your point.
	Huh.
	So, wait, and this guy with the new baby mama, he's the bio dad or no, no, no.
	He's not the father.
	He's just the guy you dated.
	He's my, like, my high school sweetheart.
	Oh, okay.
	I see.
	Hi, Josh.
	Yo, what up, Josh?
	Just out there.
	Just out there.
	Okay.
	Going back to you, you said that there was this.
	This is a dating story you shared.
	There was this one dude who didn't know what the third pedal in my car was for.
	You have never yelled GTFO so fast before in my life.
	Yep.
	That date was canceled.
	Yeah.
	He hopped in my car and he was like, why do you have three pedals?
	I was like, get the fuck out of my car.
	Wait, really?
	Yeah, he was 28 years old and he didn't know what a stick shift was.
	I told him, get the fuck out for the left.
	I mean, it's kind of like.
	How are you 28 years old and not know what a stick shift is?
	Are you a human?
	But I'm almost 66.
	Yeah, it's kind of a little ridiculous.
	He didn't know what it was, but like you blew up the date over that.
	Yes.
	Can you drive a stick shift?
	Yes, my daily car is a stick shift.
	All right.
	I was just wondering.
	Jeez, you're so defensive.
	I would love to.
	She's an ass-kicking forest fire-starting chick.
	I was just curious if you also knew how to drive a stick shift.
	I drive a stick shift.
	I ride a motorcycle.
	I do all of it.
	What kind of sticks?
	Oh my God.
	Who the hell?
	Everybody cares, Brian.
	I have a 95-year-old.
	Why would you blow up a date?
	Because I'm not going to sit there.
	Like, driving a stick shift is a like, I don't want to be more masculine than a man.
	That's her.
	And if you don't know how to drive a stick shift, then like, that's little bitch behavior.
	It's a bitch behavior to not know how to drive a stick?
	Yes.
	I don't know about not knowing how to know how to drive it.
	They're a stick.
	It's okay, admitted.
	Dude, my car is stick.
	Oh, I mean, is there not something?
	I don't know how to drive a fucking stick.
	I can't drive a stick.
	I'm beta.
	Beta.
	It's beta to not know how to.
	Andrew, do you know how to drink a lot?
	Little bitchisms over here.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I could have guessed that based off of the story.
	Like a girl doesn't know how to cook.
	Like, that doesn't.
	How do you, you've never driven a stick before?
	I did in high school.
	My friend once.
	Most cars are automatic.
	It's inferior.
	Driving stick is so much better than an automatic car.
	Oh, you get the whole interactive experience.
	How?
	I don't know about better.
	I don't know where you came up with the idea it's better.
	No.
	Isn't more fun.
	Is it more fun?
	It's so much more fun to drive.
	Okay, yes.
	It could be more fun, but like in terms of what?
	What?
	Isn't there like an equivalent thing that qualifies?
	Yeah, by the way, that 95 you're talking about to motorcycle.
	I'm talking about a car.
	You drive a stick shift in a car.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I have a Mazda.
	So on a foreign car, how do you pop a stick shift in reverse?
	What?
	On a foreign car, how do you pop a stick shift in reverse?
	Like in stick?
	Yes.
	I have the R right by the one.
	Is that what you're talking about?
	No, in a foreign vehicle.
	I've never driven a foreign car.
	I'm not talking about an American-made clutch.
	I'm talking about a foreign clutch.
	How would you go in reverse in a foreign clutch?
	I've never driven a foreign clutch.
	You ain't a woman if you haven't driven a foreign car.
	You ain't a woman.
	I know my dad.
	I'm driving a foreign parent.
	Yeah, you're a way out of your league.
	My point is, I don't want you to be more masculine than I am.
	You just go with the R, right?
	You just swing it over to the R, you just let off that clutch, and it goes for you.
	No problem.
	Ski.
	I thought you were into the real shit.
	What the hell?
	I mean, isn't there like a shot?
	On a foreign car, you always have to pop down before you go in reverse or it won't go in reverse.
	Just so you know.
	Just like for foreigners.
	Foreign cars, there's usually like there's an action.
	You have to put the stick down or pull something up and then you can shift it in reverse.
	So you're saying a man is lit.
	A man needs to learn how to drive a stick shift, yes.
	And you should also be able to back up a vehicle without looking in the fucking rear view camera.
	Isn't that a little something?
	If you can't back up your car without looking in the stupid camera, get out.
	Get out.
	As a valet, I can use.
	I valet for like seven years.
	I can use the side view mirrors to back in, but the rear view camera is so nice.
	Nope.
	It is such a perk.
	Nope.
	I've backed in thousands of cars.
	Yeah, you churn.
	You churn your own butter too.
	Yes, I do, actually.
	She churns her own butter, son.
	What the fuck?
	Isn't there like an equivalent quality about women that like is like, oh, if she doesn't know?
	Yeah, she doesn't.
	What's that old-school fucking laundry thing where the chicks are scrubbing the car?
	Where you wash your clothes by hand?
	Whoa, the chick.
	She ain't a real woman if she's using the washboard.
	She ain't a real woman if she ain't scrubbing the laundry like this.
	Well, obviously, not like that.
	I do hand washing.
	I do cooking or like something.
	Simple.
	There is that.
	Come on.
	Maybe not by you specifically.
	She ain't a real woman.
	She ain't a real woman.
	The real question: can you back up a trailer?
	Oh, no.
	Like a 10-foot, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever taken anything out when you're backing up a trailer?
	The truth now.
	There's no way you can.
	No, I haven't.
	I wouldn't do anything.
	I wouldn't do anything longer than 10 feet.
	Okay.
	And a 10-footer, have you ever taken anything out?
	No, I did not.
	Never?
	Nope.
	Not even once?
	Nope.
	All right.
	She's not a real car.
	I'm a very good driver.
	If she doesn't.
	For a woman.
	Back up a 12-foot trailer.
	What the hell?
	I'm not pulling things with my little Mazda.
	The only way to back up a trailer is to have your dad yelling at you from the side.
	Wait, you're driving a Mazda?
	Yeah, I drove a Mazda.
	That like ruined it.
	What the fuck is.
	She's not a real woman if she doesn't.
	He was expecting me to drive it wrong.
	Yeah, I thought there was going to be like ah.
	It's called sourdown.
	Yeah, you know, something.
	A Mazda.
	Bowtap.
	What do I look like I drive?
	You look like you drive a Mozart.
	A Subaru.
	I really don't say that.
	You did not.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I really thought she was going to say, like, Broncos, for sure.
	Can I switch seats with someone?
	I'm about to fight him over here.
	What the heck?
	I was thinking at least let's say Bronco or something older.
	You laid that up off the glass so well.
	Oh my gosh.
	You're super annihilated.
	Oh, it's correct.
	Get good, nude.
	You still couldn't figure out the equivalent.
	I can't tell you.
	I don't know.
	You're not a real woman if you don't.
	The cooking thing is fearless.
	I've been told that.
	I make my own bread.
	I'm still laundry.
	That's terrible, fam.
	That was it.
	So, okay, you were on a date with a guy.
	He asked what that third pedal was, and then you told him to get the fuck out of your car.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	It was, yep.
	I know we're joking around.
	That seems a little much.
	That's no cold damn.
	Nope.
	Matt, you know what?
	I actually.
	What if there's an emergency and this dude needs to like drive my vehicle or something?
	Cars are automatic.
	Who cares about your car?
	Okay.
	David.
	You know what?
	If there's an emergency, your foot comes off the clutch and the car stalls.
	What are you talking about?
	What if there's an emergency and like that's the only vehicle around he needs to go to like the hospital or something because someone lost an arm?
	I don't know.
	What if there's a zombie apocalypse?
	What if there's a zombie apocalypse and it grabs your fucking little sternum piercing and you're dead, bro?
	It fucking grabs your sternum piercing.
	You're running.
	You're running.
	You're trying to escape.
	And then the zombie.
	Sorry.
	Septum piercing.
	Whatever.
	Close enough.
	The zombie, you would have got away.
	You would have got away.
	But the zombie grabs your fucking septum piercing and then you're dead.
	And you would be no use to your male partner in a zombie.
	It's okay.
	I don't know how to start a fire, anyways.
	It's all good.
	But you know what?
	I kind of, I'm kind of, I got to walk back my position a little bit here because I expect when I go on, if I go on a first date with a girl and she doesn't hit me with a bow or a curtsy or a curtsy upon first meeting, I'm also going to dip.
	I'm like, it was nice to meet you.
	You did not know that you had to have this knowledge that I knew that I didn't disclose to you.
	You didn't know.
	I'm sorry I need to sit there and tell men they need to be men.
	I can't believe you kicked a guy out of your Mazda.
	You couldn't drive your fucking Mazda.
	Get out of my Mazda, fucker.
	I did.
	I said, get the fuck out, bitch.
	I just said Mazda.
	Is it like an older Mazda at least?
	No.
	It's ridiculous.
	Nick, play the bow video.
	If a girl doesn't do this shit on high standard, and you're going to let that woman die for you?
	They're not even listening.
	Play it.
	Pay attention.
	Pay attention.
	Women, pay attention.
	Boom.
	Bow.
	This is what I need on a first date, okay, boys.
	I get home from a long podcast session.
	I get home to my penthouse apartment.
	I got my girl there waiting for me, right?
	Boom.
	Dinner's fucking ready.
	Attentive.
	Oh, let me get you a cold beer.
	There it is, folks.
	Cold beer.
	Boom.
	She even opens it up for me.
	Huge.
	Stir my noodles.
	Good.
	Attentive.
	Faster.
	She's doing it faster if she knows it's too slow.
	Boom.
	Look at the hands in the, the, the, the submissive hands in the palms.
	Boom.
	That's what, that's what it takes to Brian.
	I have a question.
	One more bow.
	Let's see the bow.
	Let's see the bow really quick.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	You would let that woman take a bullet.
	If you didn't even tell her you wanted her to bow, she just bowed for you first time she saw you.
	You would let that woman die.
	You would let her take a bullet for you.
	Fuck yeah.
	Why does she have a bowl of tomatoes there?
	I don't understand why she has a bowl of tomatoes sitting there.
	Why would you not have a bowl of tomatoes?
	Andrew, you had a question.
	Was that the question?
	The tomatoes.
	Okay, so there's a lot of things.
	I've seen this video a bunch of times now.
	And now, there's things in it now that bother me, which make me think that the bow might not be as authentic as we think the bow should be.
	Because first, there's a ball of tomatoes, and they're not like little tiny salad tomatoes.
	They're like big, big tomatoes in a bowl.
	Just I don't get why are there tomatoes there?
	And you just eat like a whole tomato.
	You don't do what she used to make.
	Does your wife have a garden?
	Do you like not go out to the garden, like eat a whole tomato?
	That's like the best thing ever.
	Oh, is it?
	You just walk out and just grab the tomato off the plant and eat it.
	Yes, I, yes.
	Is that your favorite?
	Do you burn the rest of the crop because it wasn't masculine enough for you?
	Yes, I do.
	The hell with it all.
	Why don't they take the best from the crop and burn the rest?
	And then I get my maza and I go.
	You know, like what?
	What are you talking about?
	Or go hang out with the pears.
	If a woman isn't woman enough to die in childbirth for me, is she really a woman?
	Wait, hold on.
	That was a little extreme.
	That's a little hold on.
	That's a little crazy.
	Was the bowing was eccentric?
	The rest of it was really.
	I've been like watching House of the Dragon, you know what I mean?
	I actually have been watching that.
	It's pretty good.
	The new season.
	Wait.
	Yeah, yeah, the new episodes tonight.
	Oh, is it?
	Yeah.
	New episode.
	What's up?
	Okay.
	Wait, hold on.
	There's more notes for you over here.
	Oh, boy.
	I've been on a lot of dates.
	I've had even more terrible interactions than I've had back.
	You do realize you're in the wrong, though.
	I'm in the wrong.
	Like, I know we're joking, but you're absolutely 100% in the wrong.
	Why?
	Because you don't know how to drive sick.
	Because you're not man enough?
	Owned.
	That I got destroyed.
	Oh, owned.
	No, you actually are like, you know, jokes aside, you're 100% in the wrong.
	I mean, yeah, I'm a bitch.
	Yeah.
	True.
	I'm not denying it.
	At least she's self-alert a lot of people aren't.
	Do you want to?
	I want you to look into that camera and apologize to that guy.
	That was mean.
	Apologize to the folks.
	I will not apologize for your incompetence as a man.
	Get your shit together.
	Well, but it's not uncompetence with a you.
	It's an incompetence with an I.
	The pagan donated $200.
	Once I return a lady's debit card, she had dropped.
	When I approached her, she started freaking out and yelled for help.
	I walked away and threw the card in the trash.
	Feminism has women brainwashed.
	Why didn't you use it to buy salt?
	Thank you, pagan.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's just not man enough to steal a woman's money.
	I know.
	He's not being masculine enough.
	He should have picked up that car and stole that bitch's money, right?
	That's how you know that Meghan's a real man.
	Now you're getting it, Mr. Wilson.
	We're going to be friends.
	I have a question for you.
	If this guy was perfect, but he didn't know how to drive a stick, is it you wouldn't?
	Yeah, nah.
	Everything.
	You have to know how to drive a vehicle.
	So, okay, so what if you just could teach people that?
	People in the DMV are like the worst drivers in the world.
	So it absolutely irks my nerve if you can't like drive a car properly.
	What does the DMV have to do with it?
	I mean, she does live in the DMV.
	That area is the worst.
	Those are the worst.
	I've ever seen ever.
	So you're saying you want a masculine man, right?
	Yes, I know how to drive a vehicle.
	But are you a feminine woman?
	I am if he's masculine enough.
	Bro, I'm gonna like just your look.
	I know you've been invited on the podcast where we have these adversarial things, but like you're definitely pretty, in terms of your disposition, pretty masculine, blasting tattoos, backwards cap, septum piercing.
	I mean, these are not feminine, like, traditionally feminine traits.
	Yeah.
	But, like, okay, so basically, a guy.
	What does that mean if he's masculine enough?
	What do you do?
	What do you do if he's masculine enough?
	You put on a sundress and curtsy?
	Like, what do you do if he's masculine enough?
	No, I don't curtsy.
	I don't bow.
	I know.
	You still cuss.
	I do.
	Well, still drinking.
	Okay, so, okay.
	Let me tell you.
	I was literally raised around sailors and Marines my whole entire life.
	And they kind of like taught me a lot, which I should not know how to do.
	And that's probably why.
	What did they teach you how to do that?
	You shouldn't know how to do how to be a man.
	They just broke you out, maybe.
	They definitely taught me how to smoke cigars and drink whiskey at the age of like 18.
	That's normal.
	They taught you how to do that.
	Yep.
	They sat me down and they were like, this is how you do this.
	I thought you were going to tell us some badass special forces stuff.
	They taught you how to disassemble an M16 while you were blindfolded.
	I mean, you know, some shit like that, right?
	They do know how to take apart a guns.
	They taught you how to use Marine Corps Jiu-Jitsu to break all their legs, right?
	Jiu-Jitsu is a cult.
	It's weird as shit.
	Did you say jiu-jitsu is a cult?
	It is.
	Oh, my God.
	Have you met Jiu-Jitsu people?
	They're weird.
	I often put my kid in jiu-jitsu.
	Oh, don't do that.
	Do like MMA or like karate or something or boxing.
	Do you box people that do boxing or in a corporate story?
	Well, I mean, honestly, like, honest question: what do they teach you?
	You said they taught you a bunch of stuff you shouldn't know.
	What do they teach you?
	No, they taught me how to take apart guns and all sorts of things.
	What kind of guns?
	I have a P365 SIG, a CZ scorpion.
	All the stuff.
	So, how do you take apart your P365 SIG?
	I want you to go through the process.
	Google it.
	What do you mean?
	It's a simple process.
	What do you mean, the whole process?
	I don't know the process.
	Taking apart a gun is not a simple process.
	There's a lot of people who are not afraid of that.
	It's a super simple process.
	So, what you do is you take it away.
	I'll go over to the safe.
	I'll grab it.
	I'll take it apart for you right now.
	Go ahead, name one.
	Whatever you want.
	Whatever you want.
	I'll go grab it right now.
	No, I can't because we're on YouTube.
	But the thing is, I'll just tell you the process.
	Whatever you want.
	Go ahead.
	No, I'm good.
	But no, I mean, that's.
	No, no, no, no, really.
	Then tell me how you take it apart.
	They taught you how to do it, right?
	Why do you, oh my goodness.
	You just don't want to just be like, oh, I was wrong.
	I was wrong.
	You can't just be like, I'm wrong.
	I'm wrong.
	Because you don't know.
	I do.
	So you can't actually, on your own, take apart a sig, can't you?
	Yes, I can.
	I have one.
	Okay, well, then tell me how you do it.
	Take it apart.
	You Google it.
	You put a YouTube video on and you find it.
	You Google it.
	That's what you do.
	Oh, great.
	Perfect.
	Yeah.
	Okay, got it.
	How do you change the oil in your car?
	What you do is you take the plug out and then you put oil in.
	See?
	Oh, wait a second.
	Yeah.
	I will accept that for whatever the sig is.
	Whatever that similar explanation to taking down the sig.
	I will accept something.
	And then you take off the other part and then you take off the third part.
	You take off the part and then you take off the other part and then you take off the third part.
	Yeah.
	It's like when you unplug the thing and then you just put oil in brilliant stuff.
	Yeah.
	You change it.
	That's great.
	Super, super good thing.
	I take it to the man at the place and the man at the place says it.
	Not worth this.
	Oh, yeah.
	You have to drain it.
	But okay, so, I mean, how do you reconcile?
	How do you reconcile wanting a super traditional dude, but you're not really bringing like a corresponding degree of femininity?
	Are you just strictly talking about looks?
	Because every single man I've ever had has been very well taken care of.
	I have taken care of his house.
	I have fed him.
	I have done pretty much whatever he's asked.
	Take apart his guns for him.
	Yep.
	Like along the lines of like domestication things.
	I want to ask the chat.
	I want to ask the chat.
	So you have a choice between a woman who has like sort of a pleasant feminine disposition and personality, but she doesn't do some of these household chores.
	Or a woman who has a masculine personality and disposition, but she does the sort of domestic duties.
	Which would you prefer, men?
	Which do you prefer?
	And this is a question for the chat.
	I am curious.
	We're a little behind.
	There's a little delay.
	I don't know.
	Oh, it's so fast.
	I can't read it.
	I can't read that far.
	Feminine, feminine, feminine, pleasant and feminine.
	Feminine.
	Because I could just hire, I could just hire somebody to like clean the household, and I could just door dash all my food to me.
	That's so damn messy.
	Eat a home-cooked meal.
	Yeah, but what color shit and all that food is just, it's not good for you.
	Okay.
	Churn your own butter.
	All right, anyways.
	You also said that there was this guy you went on two dates with, and I told him I didn't see things working out, but he was fully convinced he was in love with me.
	Yeah.
	Literally told you so.
	Yeah.
	He followed you around for about five to six months afterwards, yikes, also leaving you voicemails and texts until you in parentheses.
	No, wait.
	Allegedly.
	Brackets, excuse me.
	Until I brackets, allegedly threatened him.
	Yeah.
	How did you allegedly, in a video game, threaten him?
	How did you, in a video game, how did you do it?
	In a video game?
	Sorry, a fucking cringe streamer lingo.
	How did you threaten him?
	Well, if I were going to threaten anybody, I would probably allegedly, if I were to have done this, probably tell him if I saw him again, I'd cut his kneecaps out and wear them around my neck like a necklace.
	I haven't seen him since.
	So it worked.
	Allegedly.
	So feminine.
	Granted, this was a good idea.
	He was fucking stalking me.
	So loud.
	I just want to talk about feelings.
	Bitch, I don't got feelings.
	I don't give a shit about my own.
	What makes you think I'm going to care about yours?
	That just sounds like a cry for help, friend.
	I don't care.
	I don't.
	I'm not the guy.
	Ew, no.
	I just get that vibe from you.
	I get that feeling like you peg dudes.
	Like, I get that vibe from you, you know?
	Like, I just feel like have you bent a dude over and just pegged him?
	That's no, that's disgusting.
	Mason, do you get that vibe too, bro?
	I'm not going to do that.
	That's disgusting.
	I would never be with a man who's into that.
	Gross.
	No, why would you place good Mason in the middle of this?
	He's already super out of the way.
	I got an intuition.
	He's like, he's creepy.
	He's pure.
	Look, I got this intuition.
	Like, I get a vibe.
	I got this vibe from you.
	Like, you could.
	Like, I bet you would.
	I don't know if you've ever seen clerks.
	Like, I bet there's some dudes out there that are question, like, questioning their sexuality, and they, like, want.
	Did you say clerks?
	You know that movie?
	Yeah, it's a good movie.
	I thought you meant like cashiers.
	Like, like, Jay, Jay and Silent Bob.
	Jay, Jay and Silent Bob.
	Like, you could definitely like fulfill a guy's Jay fantasy.
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	I'm just saying.
	I don't want to be more masculine than my man.
	The reason I'm masculine is because the man around they're not taking care of their shit.
	So then all of us women have to step up into the man rolls.
	They don't know how to drive.
	They don't know how to drive a fucking stick shit, Brian.
	They can't even wipe their own ass.
	Most of them still, 30-year-old men who still live with their moms that talk about wanting to start families.
	Like, bitch, you can't even take care of yourself.
	I do feel like, though, once you, I'm not shaming you for this at all because I know sometimes you just have to do it.
	Is once you, I feel like, try to take on the man role, regardless of the reasoning behind it, it's harder, I feel like, in my opinion, to accept men after that for who they are.
	Whether like you want to say they're, oh, they're not masculine, they're not masculine enough, or whatever it might be.
	I feel like once you put yourself in a man's role, it's harder to find men that you appreciate, if that makes sense.
	Because they're not doing their job?
	Well, no, because I feel like you, since you put yourself in that role, you're kind of taking on that position that there, a man would be taking on, and therefore you think.
	And I will say, I feel like women have a tendency of thinking they're better at things.
	I don't think I'm, I don't think I'm better at things.
	There are a lot of things that men are better at.
	So I feel like you almost demasculate.
	I don't know that that's the correct verbiage there, but you make men less masculine when you're almost competing with them.
	But that's why I want somebody who's more masculine than me.
	Well, then you need to be more feminine because I was, I was around, you say you were around men and society.
	I was around masculine men.
	I was going to say, and I was around, and I've been around that for a very, very long time.
	I continue to put myself around those type of men.
	And I am very feminine.
	Very, very feminine.
	But my point is, I shouldn't have to sit there and deal with a guy who doesn't know how to drive stickers.
	But I mean, that's, but I mean, I, and you know, and even like, I don't think you understand how much that stresses me out.
	But I mean, even when you guys ask the question, would you be with somebody that, do you want a man to take a bullet for you?
	Like, where I come from and the men that I've been around, like, to me, that's not a question.
	Wait, I have something on this for Mason.
	Oh, boy.
	Oh, sorry.
	I mean, did you want to, I didn't mean to cut you off.
	No, no, you're totally, but I'm saying, like, so when you say, like, I don't want to be more men, I'm going to tell you right now, there's a lot of freaking things that I can do myself.
	Yeah.
	But the second a man that I'm dating or around, I'm going to be like, I don't know.
	Because they like that.
	So you are taking that from men.
	Yeah, they have to do that.
	They need to man up and take it back.
	Because when they're like, because a man sits there and says, I don't need to change my oil, I can just take it to the mechanic.
	Yeah, bitch, I can do that too.
	Well, I mean, but why do you want to, I mean, I don't want to get into an argument with you at all, but it's like, if you want a man, whether he does it himself or takes it to a shop, he got it the fuck done.
	So who cares what he did with it?
	At least he's like, here's your car.
	The point is.
	He needs to know how to do these things.
	Because when I see that, I look at that and I'm like, that I want, I want my man to be able to teach my children how to change oil.
	I don't think he's tied to me.
	That's crazy.
	How to build shit.
	I think it's a man debate, honestly, for you.
	I feel like it's more almost of like a survivalist.
	I think you want a survivalist is what you want.
	I've been around some of the most masculine men you could ever possibly.
	I want a man who can make his own moccasins.
	Yeah.
	Like, bro, you realize that, like, as society has advanced, we've gotten more and more specialized.
	So, like, back in the day, you wanted a dude who could like do XYZ, but like, now we're so specialized.
	I can just, instead of knowing how to do a hundred different things, I can just be an expert in one and then I get paid money and then I could pay somebody else who's an expert in that thing to do it.
	But that just because he's.
	Yo, Mason, I got a question for you.
	She's perfect.
	Great personality.
	She matches your values.
	Christian woman, beautiful.
	Are you a boob or a buck guy?
	She's got, she's stacked, bro.
	She's just fucking stacked.
	She's a fucking cutie.
	She's a cutie.
	You like a girl who lifts a little bit or doesn't?
	Of course.
	All right, she squats.
	Damn.
	Wow, God.
	Damn.
	Was Virginia.
	Damn.
	Mason, she's a virgin.
	She's a virgin.
	You're perfect girl.
	But she doesn't churn butter.
	That's a deal breaker.
	That's a deal breaker.
	That is a deal breaker.
	Fresh butter tastes so much better.
	Bro, this shit about, oh, he's got to know how to drive stick.
	That's the same level.
	He's got to know how to drive stick.
	He has to know how to build shit.
	He has to know how to fix car.
	He's got to know how to build.
	He's got to know how to construct an outrigger canoe.
	He needs to have an expertise in the woodmanship.
	He needs to basically be a carpenter and be a mechanic.
	And now you are understanding.
	He needs to be a shoesmith.
	He's got to be a shoesmith.
	Also a black smelter.
	Someone has to fix my shoes and make me swords.
	Do you need a guy to smelt?
	You need a guy to know how to smelt?
	Sure, why not?
	You need a smelter.
	I don't have a fucking smelter, bro.
	I'm adding it to the list.
	That's crazy.
	She needs smelting, really?
	Just iron?
	Or can he, like, what kind of other materials?
	I don't fucking know what that even is, but sure, he can do that.
	Well, there's different kinds of metals.
	You know, there's smelting iron.
	He does it all.
	There's steel.
	My man is talented.
	Steel?
	What about you?
	Are you mad because my man is talented and you can't drive a stick shift?
	Brian, stop.
	Leave her stick shift using smelting farrier gunsmith ninjutsu master, future husband alone.
	Brian, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
	I'm just saying like, being around men, she just has standards Brian, you do.
	You don't know anything about these.
	You gotta know how to drive a fucking Mazda Brian, I am being a misogynist.
	You gotta know how to drive.
	Unacceptable, unacceptable.
	Why do I have to sit there and fix my own car and build my own book, but he doesn't necessarily have to know how to fix it.
	At least you can be like, hey babe, here's my car, it's making this funny noise when you build your own, most of them don't even do that.
	Follow the instructions.
	You can follow the instructions youtube.
	It is that what you do.
	Do you just follow the instructions that came in the box from Costco?
	Okay, so the Cosco instructions tell you to build your bookcase.
	You sit there and you ask man hey, can you put this shelf up?
	And he says I don't know how to do that, so you youtube it and you do it yourself.
	And then this man comes up and says, I don't like it when you do things like that.
	It doesn't make me feel like i'm the man of the house.
	This never happened.
	That happened.
	This is an invention of that.
	Literally, that literally happened.
	It's in your mind.
	No, that literally happened.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Wait, let me ask you a question.
	Okay, you could date it.
	Let's say you encounter let's say you encounter a super wealthy guy who, instead of him having learned all these things, he could just outsource all of that shit to somebody else.
	Yeah, that's nice and all, but I want someone.
	Is he gonna be able to like, teach my future children how to do all these things?
	Is he gonna teach my boys how to be careful?
	You know, he could send them to a place we call school and then, at these, at these weird, strange 21st century inventions called schools, they can teach him how to do all of that stuff.
	All he needs is money.
	It's called homeschooling.
	Well, if you're homeschooling, how come you can't teach your child those things?
	That's my point.
	I want my man to be able to teach a woman, can't?
	She's perfect, she's fucking stacked.
	Tell me she's stacked, she's perfect.
	Yes everything, bro got it everything.
	Virgin Christian stacked, yes.
	Besides, he doesn't need to teach him.
	All he needs to do is teach him how to google.
	Blanche right, I don't know how to google.
	They can build their own shell, but but okay, she doesn't know how to knit, bro.
	I have really she learned how to knit.
	She does know how to knit.
	Son, she can't make me a dog shit sweater during christmas, but damn it, I have no go, it's fucking over, bro.
	If she doesn't know how to knit, she can't get the dick.
	That's so okay.
	What do you mean she can't sew right after she made a five-course meal?
	What kind of women are you looking for, bro?
	That's ridiculous.
	I went on a date with this chick and she didn't show up with a fucking beanie or mittens or mittens.
	She didn't show up with some mittens.
	Okay, but tell me this isn't no mittens.
	I do believe that women should know how to cook and women should know how to knit.
	They should know how to knit.
	First, I told that bitch, get dude, take a walk.
	Just get out of here.
	Women should know that.
	I have in that type of like whatever conversation you're talking about.
	I have had somebody actually, like a way older man, I asked him to help me build my cabinet thing, whatever.
	He worked on it for hours and he did it wrong.
	I had to undo it and fix it.
	Wait, did you smash like midway through?
	Hell no.
	Oh, damn.
	Okay, I thought you were.
	It's off-putting, though, when you like see them and they're like not kicking a little struggling, and then I'm like, no, there's something wrong, and then I ended up fixing it.
	That's good.
	That was smart.
	That's why, ladies, if you're having a guy over doing some like household projects, make sure he only gets to hit after he completes a job fully.
	Like, he can't get midway through.
	Don't give him that, like, midway through hit.
	It's gotta be, it's gotta be he wasn't gonna get it.
	Okay, so last thing I gotta move on.
	Wait, so for you, you said that men plural have gone mad at you because you don't drink alcohol on dates.
	I explained to one dude how time in a relationship to travel worked.
	He thought it took two hours to fly from the DMV to Mexico, the country.
	What?
	All of us?
	Wait, what?
	What?
	Obviously.
	He was literally like, it only takes two hours to fly from here to Mexico.
	And I was like, no, it doesn't.
	He was like, well, if you leave at five and you land at seven, that's only two hours.
	And I was like, that is.
	How long does it take to get back?
	Oh, really long time.
	Wait, you were in the military?
	What?
	I'm totally switching.
	You said you've been proposed to a few times on first dates.
	No, those are like barracks, bros.
	Like, they want to get out of the barracks, so they'll like propose to you on the first date.
	Like, what?
	I see.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Oh, so that they can get a house.
	Yeah, that's great.
	Okay, we have Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Can't pick seven, starting with our friend Kylie.
	Go ahead.
	Nine.
	Eight.
	I'll actually be nice to myself today at seven.
	You can't pick seven.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're so aggressive.
	Damn, that was a five.
	Wait, hold on.
	Say that one more time with the same energy.
	You can't pick seven.
	We know how to be friends with you.
	Did I really come off that aggressive?
	Wait, you said I was saying I was being nice to myself.
	I said a five.
	Oh, okay.
	Come on.
	I mean, okay, me, ten.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go 4.5.
	Oh, into the mic.
	Oh, shit.
	Like 4.5.
	Excuse me.
	5.5.
	3.14.
	1.5.
	Jesus.
	I'm not confident or dropped yet.
	Stop being a.
	Yes, I am, Brian.
	I'm just answering.
	Okay, haha.
	It's pie.
	Why don't you just answer the question?
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you, Brian.
	I honestly don't even know if that was pie.
	I just.
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	If anything, starts with 3.14.
	Five.
	I'm a five.
	Andrew?
	You know, I'm a 25.
	I just like, I knock it out of the park.
	If that chick over there is a 10, then I'm a 20.
	Hey, I'll take that.
	I'll take that.
	Boom, roasted.
	Mr. Wilson's to put his princess into room.
	9 and 10.
	Yeah.
	Okay, you guys get my attention for a couple minutes.
	So, wait, did I even pull it up?
	Did I pull it up, baby?
	Oh, okay.
	Just a heads up.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Ten minutes?
	You're going to go on another one?
	Ten minutes.
	Okay.
	Ten.
	Of course.
	That's fine.
	They pre-cleared it with me before the show, so it's all good.
	All right.
	So, ten?
	Yeah, we fly black.
	Super.
	And then nine?
	I'm stealing a page from Andrew Wilson.
	Thievery.
	Okay.
	So.
	Do you so you consider yourself then the most attractive woman at the table?
	I mean, not just like looks-wise, I guess I would say, but yeah, good core.
	Sure.
	Yes, I'm confident in myself.
	I like myself.
	Yeah, just based on looks.
	Yeah.
	So you're the prettiest girl in the room.
	I will say, I think on the picker, they gave themselves enough credit.
	Wait, what?
	Hold on, say that again.
	I said, based off looks, I'd pick her for my smash.
	You'd have sexual intercourse with her?
	Well, I mean, if I was a man, you'd have carnal knowledge in a video game.
	Wait.
	Wait, are you bi?
	No.
	That's why I said, if I was a man.
	Is it because of the tats?
	No.
	You know, the only thing I am biased, I guess, a little bit with that.
	I know you guys are not fond of them.
	I am attracted to tattoos, but I just think she has nice features.
	I like her face.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, Mark.
	Is she prettier than you?
	I think she's prettier than me.
	Yeah.
	I think is she the prettiest girl in the room?
	To me, personally?
	Yeah, I think she is.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	So I don't think we got a question answer from you, though.
	Are you the most attractive woman in the room?
	I mean, I wouldn't say I think that.
	No.
	I think that everybody kind of like downplayed themselves.
	But by default, because of the answer, then yeah.
	So which girl is prettier than you?
	Who's prettier?
	Like prettiest.
	No, prettier than you.
	Prettier than me?
	I mean, I really think she's really pretty.
	Is she prettier than you?
	Could be, yeah.
	I don't mind that.
	Well, I mean, I'm just asking you for your.
	I'm not going to be.
	So she is?
	No, yeah, I think so.
	I think so.
	She has features that I would maybe want to have.
	So she's prettier than you.
	Yeah.
	By your estimation.
	Okay, great.
	So if she's prettier than you, if you're a 10 and 10 is perfect, then what does that make her?
	It makes her whatever she wants to be, because that's my opinion of myself.
	What?
	You can make whatever kind of sense of it you want, but that has to do with your own self-esteem.
	I will say I think a lot of women base this question off how they feel personally about themselves, where I base my answer off how I think other people would rate me, so to speak.
	I'm not basing it off of necessarily, do I think I'm an ugly person?
	No, I don't.
	Do I think I'm the most attractive person?
	No, I don't.
	I would say I'm average.
	Yeah, like I don't think I'm better than these women.
	When I answer that question, I answer it based off what I think other people would view me as.
	And I think people would view me as no more than a person.
	Do the other women are underselling themselves or that you're overselling yourself?
	Are you asking me?
	Both of you.
	I think they're underselling themselves.
	I think both.
	I think some oversell themselves and I think some undersell themselves.
	Just the ones in the room.
	Because the thing is, is that I understand that you can say that beauty standards are subjective.
	Yeah.
	That's fair.
	But if you do say that beauty standards are subjective, but then you rate yourself, you must have some standard that you're applying to yourself or else you couldn't rate yourself.
	100%.
	100%.
	So if that is true, and I ask if you're the prettiest girl in the room, and you say no, why then would the other girl rate herself as a five?
	Either one of you is underselling yourself by your estimation or you're overselling yourself by your estimation.
	One of those can be true.
	I could be overselling myself, but I also am keeping in mind the other qualities that I have to offer.
	Yeah, but it's just strictly off of beauty.
	That's it.
	That's the only standard we're looking at.
	Okay.
	Stop.
	Same fucking answer.
	Doesn't change, I guess.
	Yeah, but wouldn't that be incoherent if it doesn't change?
	If you think somebody else is prettier than you, and 10 is the perfect mark, and somebody else is higher than the 10 you gave yourself, how could you be being honest with us?
	I don't really have a good answer for you for that, I guess.
	All right.
	That's the best way I can put it.
	That's all.
	Anything else?
	Any other questions?
	So there's no women that are more beautiful.
	Not even just at the table in the world.
	There's no women that are more beautiful than you.
	Like, you're just on par.
	No, because obviously you heard my answer about it.
	I don't think that realistically, like, I am the most beautiful person ever.
	And people are underselling themselves in this room.
	But I can't personally think about you're like on par with the most beautiful women in the world.
	I could be close.
	I could be.
	That has a lot to do with what I believe.
	Right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So do you believe that?
	Do you believe that you're on par with the prettiest girls in the world?
	Sure, yeah.
	Just from a physical standpoint.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I've done, I mean, I don't know.
	That could come like from like, it could be mistaken for ego as well.
	But that's fair enough.
	It's a lot of fun.
	I was modeling for a long time, too.
	So let me just ask you then a quick follow-up after I understand.
	Now that I understand kind of the position, who is the prettiest actress you can think of?
	Shit.
	Just physical beauty only.
	Eva Mendez.
	That's a good one.
	She said a good one.
	Eva Mendez is.
	And you're on par with her?
	Yeah, I totally could be.
	No, no, are you?
	Yes, okay, yeah, yeah.
	Sure.
	Yeah, okay.
	Toads.
	I don't need anyone to agree on that.
	Do you have that ranking system for women?
	The one where you know, like, men are a 10, men are, like, a one.
	Do you have that for women?
	Your little charity chart?
	Chart.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we can pull that up.
	Do you have that for women?
	Yeah, we have it for men and women.
	I think, Nick, you can just go to TrueRate Me on Rate Me on Reddit.
	I think, do we have it in one of the folders?
	Why don't we have Andrew rate us all?
	Do we have it in the download folder?
	Do we have it in the download folder, Nick?
	Nick, I need it quick.
	Get it for me immediately.
	Awkward.
	Guys, go to Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops to follow drops of prime sub.
	If you have one, drops a follow and a prime sub.
	Boys, if you have one, follow us.
	There we go.
	I should have checked in.
	Boys, it's been 28 minutes since we've had a prime sub.
	I think it's bugged, boys.
	I need you guys to drop us a little prime and a follow if you're watching over there on Twitch.
	Oh my god, they restarted the session.
	Oh my god, it is.
	Oh my god.
	Okay.
	Rip.
	Unfortunate.
	Unfortunate.
	Anyways, go ahead and Nick, I guess.
	I was trying to find their session on Reddit, so I'll just pull it out of this room.
	It's just going to take me a sec.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, any further.
	Oh, okay.
	Here, I'll get through.
	I'll do some of my try to wrap up here pretty soon, but I have a couple questions I still need to get through.
	So Hold on, boys.
	I'm trying to find it.
	Here it is.
	Okay.
	Bullet.
	This is not the bullet, but I got some quick questions.
	Have you ever dated an asshole?
	Yes.
	Is that yes?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, that was the only I was just curious.
	I think we are.
	Have you ever been on one?
	Okay, a quick follow-up.
	Just a quick show of hands.
	Who has ever dated a narcissist?
	I knew that was coming.
	Show of hands.
	Luber, thing for the 10.
	Who's dated a narcissist?
	I think I know.
	Is that a trick question, though?
	I don't know for sure.
	No, it's not a trick question.
	I'm just curious.
	I don't know, but I think I might have.
	Just a show of hands.
	Who's dated a narcissist?
	Oh, for sure.
	Oh, definitely.
	For sure.
	I think.
	I've never been wrong.
	Because I don't know the technical terms, so I don't want to mistake this.
	Okay, all right.
	Like medically diagnosed?
	I don't know about that, but you have it, Nick.
	Do you have it?
	All right, down here.
	She wanted to see the rate me.
	She wanted to see the rate me.
	Yeah, we'll start at the top.
	These are the ladies.
	Yeah, we'll show the, we could show the men too, but yeah.
	Oh, we'll show the men?
	We'll show the women and the men.
	All right, so I disagree with a little bit of some of these.
	A little bit.
	You know, you can move them up, down, whatever.
	Adrian Alina are like the most attractive women.
	I'm going to downgrade a couple of these, you know what I mean?
	But it's generally speaking, it's decent.
	It gives you a guide.
	It gives you a guide.
	And then, by the way, we didn't make this.
	It's just on Reddit.
	Nina Dobrave is only a 6.5.
	I don't even know who that is.
	I think she's much prettier.
	She's the vampire diaries lady.
	Wait, I've never seen that in January.
	Wait, okay, wait.
	I missed.
	Oh, no.
	Tasa Tysa.
	She's high.
	Some of those chicks that were nines were.
	I did a shoomer.
	All right, so now we're getting to four, 3.5.
	Oh, Rachel drunk.
	Not pressure.
	I'm going to skip going lower than.
	I think we're going to stop at 2.5 just because then it starts to get mean.
	It put pressure some of you.
	It's mean.
	It gets kind of mean.
	So bring it back to the top, though, Nick.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah, I missed that part.
	I'm not going to say that.
	All right.
	Adriana Lima.
	Okay.
	She has a lazy eye.
	What's going on with Frida?
	That's a good question.
	Hey, still, maybe it's lighting.
	I don't know.
	Taylor Hill's kind of cute.
	I don't know who she is.
	I'm sorry, Brian.
	We can't go.
	There's no, none of those chicks in the 9.5 belong there.
	Not a single one of them belong there.
	Am I wrong, Mason?
	I don't think I know them.
	I think you're wrong, Andrew.
	No, they don't belong there at all.
	I didn't make this.
	I didn't make it.
	But you would say it was close enough.
	More accurate than the assessments made here.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, yes.
	Okay, I'll give it that.
	I'll give it that.
	At bare minimum.
	Yeah, I disagree with some of those for sure, but who wanted that?
	Did you want that pulled up?
	I wanted it.
	You wanted it pulled up?
	Why?
	I wanted to see what the skill was in relationship to the people here.
	A word?
	Okay.
	Yeah, there it is.
	Are you satisfied?
	I am.
	I just, I wanted to see what their ranking was to see.
	Let's pull up the men really quick, Nick.
	Could you get the menu?
	Like, honestly, though, I feel like the women here that said there were five whatever's going on.
	Any woman here is above a six, according to that chart.
	Oh, you don't think any girl here is absolutely five?
	I don't think any girl here is above a six.
	Shots fired.
	Shots fired.
	Sorry.
	Shot's five.
	I meant to like the people that are fives are better than fives.
	I'm not gonna read it.
	I want you to say it to all the women to their face.
	I respect your opinion.
	I feel like it's valid.
	I would use subjective.
	And personally, I was just going off of how I felt secure in myself.
	That's what I was basing off of.
	I would say everybody'd rate myself to average men in my life, you know?
	I agree.
	We're just so pissed off.
	He's got it.
	Nick has the men.
	All right, here's the men.
	Oh, hell no.
	Really?
	I don't know any.
	They don't even got what's his name?
	Chris Hemsworth is like Cabell.
	Yeah, well, they're not showing every single man.
	Yeah, but he should be at the top.
	They should.
	How is Chris Hemsworth down there?
	You say they gave him like the I Love Me a Silver Fox.
	They gave him a photo for someone.
	All right.
	Wait.
	Damn.
	Jonah Hill.
	Damn.
	I'm not going to lie.
	He is in the brackets Lil Wayne.
	Jeremy Lynn got a little love on this.
	I'm just throwing that out.
	Yeah, dude.
	He's a five.
	Next.
	Okay, anyways.
	DJ Calley made that list.
	The further you went down, the more I look like the people where I live.
	Well, then, that's good.
	I'll tell you what.
	I never met a girl who don't know how to churn butter.
	You're like, that's your standard from now.
	I'm going to need you to start eating fresh butter.
	Oh, okay.
	So going around the table.
	Who is the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	Of what?
	War.
	I don't understand, like, just in general?
	Yeah, just in general.
	I would say because in the military, it's dominantly man, men, like men.
	But if it wasn't like based off of gender, I would say it's whoever is injured or killed in combat.
	So men.
	Okay.
	Yes, exactly.
	Yeah.
	We're going to skip Morgan.
	Morgan was unless you want to answer.
	Unless you want to answer.
	Men.
	Because she already answered these questions last time.
	I mean, men, I guess.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Men.
	Okay.
	It's like a hard to art argument.
	All right.
	It is hard to argue.
	This is good.
	Are men or women physically stronger?
	Oh, my God.
	Women are so much stronger than men, Brian.
	I'm really going to need you to start just like opening up your eyes and like just seeing men, obviously.
	Sarcasm also is definitely not very funny.
	Let's ask a follow-up.
	Are men or women funnier?
	I think I'm hilarious, but you know what?
	You are funny.
	You should.
	You should.
	For all the wrong reasons.
	You know, I think if you just gap the eyes a little bit more, you can compensate for your lack of delivery.
	I thought that was pretty good.
	Yeah, it was okay.
	I mean, just giving a sarcasm.
	I mean, I would have done it better, but I'm a man.
	Why didn't you do it better?
	You should have taken your opportunity.
	I did.
	So, are we supposed to answer that question?
	All right, going around the table.
	The funny thing.
	Who's stronger?
	Yeah, are men or women physically stronger?
	Men, without a doubt.
	Men.
	That one's kind of hard because women give birth.
	That part is kind of like, you can't, like, I don't know if you can.
	I don't even know.
	I don't know.
	That's hard.
	I want to hear goodness.
	Hold on.
	I really don't have much context behind him, but like.
	Enduring pain, though, and being stronger are different.
	Okay, I mean, I guess.
	Yeah, but so, like you answered the question, just men can be men.
	Men, on average, men.
	I think women, mentally and emotionally, are stronger, though I don't.
	I disagree with the emotionally part.
	Okay yeah, I think that women are stronger emotionally and mentally, though on average.
	Of course there's like outliers, But on average, men would be physically.
	Women are stronger.
	Sorry, you said emotionally and what was the other one, mentally?
	Mentally, so do you mean intellect?
	Not necessarily, because I feel like you can't categorize something like that off of gender, but I think mental resilience yes women, who generally if you're gonna make a generalization who generally lashes out of emotion?
	Women, I mean, is that?
	Is there also a hormone factor, like put into this?
	So I'm regardless?
	Yeah, I mean, part of being a woman is you have different hormones.
	But also men have to stop.
	So I mean, generally speaking like, who are, who are more reserved with expressing their emotions, men or women?
	Men, men are taught to reserve their emotions though, but is that just like reserve or an aggressive emotion?
	So do you want men to not be taught to control their emotions?
	Do I want them to?
	I want them to be taught to process it in a healthy way.
	Well, process it in a healthy way.
	What does that look like?
	That looks like not lashing out.
	I think that lashing out isn't healthy either, but okay, so controlling your emotions men, generally better.
	I'm not saying control your emotions.
	What I'm saying specifically is, I feel like, on average, women are taught to regulate their emotions in healthier ways versus men, aren't men?
	Yeah, don't have.
	Let's walk through what that means.
	What do you mean?
	That they're taught to regulate in a healthier way?
	I think that a lot of times, when men experience mental distress, they will not use healthy coping techniques and they will not talk about it.
	Push it down.
	What are those healthy coping techniques?
	Healthy coping techniques like when I'm upset, I will talk to my friends, I'll talk to my mom, I have my friends to confide in, I talk it.
	You have to feel it to heal it.
	I feel my emotions fully and then I'm able to move on past it.
	So men don't talk to their friends.
	I don't think they talk to them.
	Yeah, I don't think it's on the same level.
	I think.
	What do you mean?
	It's not on the same level.
	What are you?
	What are you talking about?
	I think how men and women should deal with their emotions is entirely different because men and women are entirely different.
	So women show a lot of progress sitting down and just directly chit-chatting with like a therapist or somebody else.
	But men, on average, they their mental healing, like how they work through all this crap, is, yeah, we go chop down trees, we'll fix a motorcycle and like maze, isn't that what?
	Like man's cleaning bro, you gotta feel it, you have to feel it to heal right, you're right, that's a shit documentary.
	That experiment, that woman did that well.
	So, I mean, how men heal through things might just look differently.
	It doesn't mean it's unhealthy.
	It doesn't mean it's wrong.
	Also, the way men control their emotions, it's not because they are taught to do that.
	It's natural.
	Like, men naturally hold things in because they're built that way.
	Women don't naturally hold things in because they're not built that way.
	And it's like those distinctions are good because you're designed that way.
	I respect your opinion, but I don't, like, from experience, I don't think that's.
	I think you're I respect your opinion too.
	I agree with you.
	And I think, and I thank you for explaining to me too that that could work good for processing like how men do it because that is a valid way to process your emotions.
	Me personally, I process my emotions best when I'm alone.
	It's like I take alone time, I do something independently, and I'm able to like work through it.
	Similar to how you're talking about like how men will go chop down trees instead of chit-chatting.
	You know what I mean?
	So, I don't think it's so physical for you guys.
	And then it's just statistical finding.
	Women have success dealing with emotional whatever, talking through things, dealing with trauma, emotional baggage.
	They deal best through those things by talking through in therapy sessions, like talking those things out.
	Men generally do better at coping with those things, not through sitting down.
	Actually, it's shown that if men try to just sit down, talk to a therapist and deal with those things like women do, it doesn't show nearly as much effect as if they would just like stand around a lawnmower and fix it together.
	Because naturally, as you're fixing things, self-reflection, you start to like you start to bring conversation, you start to bring things up.
	Like, as guys do stuff together, as you're like doing something, fulfilling an activity, those things might come up.
	The actual act of doing this manual labor or accomplishing a task is therapeutic for men.
	So, without even discussing the topic, you can heal all of those things.
	Women do that too, though.
	You know, I'll go have a run in the morning and I'll feel way better than I would have if I didn't.
	But you know, exercises.
	I've also noticed good, but like, I'm just saying, in general, that's how men will heal through things.
	And in general, that's how women will heal through things.
	So, when people come out and say they do not know how to cope, they do not know how to heal, maybe they just don't heal the way you do.
	Can I say about the female coping mechanism versus the male coping mechanism?
	When you say healthy, men don't deal with these things in a healthy way.
	Can I give you an example of a way that I cope, for instance, if I'm upset?
	Yes, and this is true, and then you can tell me if you think it's healthy or unhealthy.
	So, what I generally do is I load up a 22 Magnum and I go up on my top deck, and I turn on the night vision, and I wait for the rabbits to come out at night, and then I blow their faces off.
	And I think it's hilarious, right?
	I mean, I just gun them down mercilessly, and it doesn't bother me a bit, and I feel a lot better.
	Is that unhealthy?
	Do you feed the rabbits to the dog?
	I mean, yeah, do you feed them?
	I don't feed them to anything.
	Let them rot.
	I don't give a shit about them.
	They're pests, and they annoy me.
	They feed the earth for fun.
	Is that unhealthy?
	There's been plenty of times where I don't know when I was way younger that I felt like punching a hole in a door felt amazing after fighting somebody at school felt great.
	Like, that was a great way to get my anger out.
	But obviously, in society, that's not the right way to get it out.
	He's not necessarily talking about getting like expelling anger from his body.
	That's a physical, that's a physical.
	It's just like stressful equivalent.
	That's just the equivalent for me personally.
	Some kind of issue or something like this.
	Yeah.
	I like to just murder the local wildlife because I, you know, just kind of find it mildly amusing.
	And I don't like the little bastards being in my yard because it's mine.
	Is that healthy or unhealthy?
	I want to start off by saying that I'm glad that that helps you and I'm glad that you have a technique that you feel can help you emotionally process things.
	I'm going to be very vague in answering this because I am very tired.
	I feel like everyone's definition of healthy, what's healthy for me is going to look different from someone else just in terms of like mental health.
	And if that's what you find healthy for yourself, sure, I find that healthy then.
	And I'm glad that you have that as a technique to process your emotions.
	I think as long as you're not hurting other people around you.
	Do I think that it would be great if it was a technique that didn't cause you to inflict pain onto another living thing?
	Sure.
	Yeah, but that's the best part.
	The funnest part of it is the blasting of watching their little bodies explode.
	That's why you go to the bottom.
	That's the fun part.
	Have you been able to do that?
	Is that unhealthy?
	I mean, I don't know if I can do it.
	It just slices them right in half, just like that.
	And I'm like, yeah, take that, you little bastard.
	Is that me being like unhealthy or is that the proper masculine way in which to process my emotions?
	Just if I was looking at you for a while.
	That's keeping you from hurting other, I don't know, I guess.
	I find that would like.
	Is it ideal?
	No.
	I'm glad it works for you.
	Yeah, I don't think like these men, though.
	I've seen a lot of people.
	I feel like it's a great service that I do for the community.
	I keep the pests under control.
	And at the same time, I'm able to, I don't know, satiate my feelings at the same time.
	It seems like it's a win-win.
	It is.
	That is good.
	But, you know, I don't think there's many other people that have that.
	Oh, no.
	Do you want to shoot something up?
	It's two o'clock in the morning.
	We're drinking beer.
	We're just cutting those little bastards in half like it's like it's going out of style.
	And it's hilarious.
	And it's fun.
	Are they also, are they processing their emotions properly too?
	But you can't deny that there are significant improvements in a mental health of a man that has gone through crazy type of trauma and they talk about it.
	That I've known personally, at least five, that after getting a therapist and just releasing that in a short amount of time, they didn't even need to continuously see a professional for that.
	That already solved a bunch of their problems.
	I would argue that I do agree that there is some genetic component, like how you were saying earlier.
	I do acknowledge that.
	There have been studies done.
	Like, that's totally, like, I guarantee you on that.
	But I also do think that due to the notion that men are taught that they don't see the same amount of people in therapy.
	Like, when you picture a therapist's office, who do you picture sitting on the couch next to the therapist?
	You picture a woman, right?
	We've all been conditioned societally to think that women are the ones who go to therapy.
	Men don't go as often because it's the truth.
	It's what society reflects.
	If you were to grow up in an environment where you saw your father going to therapy, you saw male role models going to therapy and speaking openly about it, there's a greater chance that you might take to therapy more.
	Therapy's here's the kind of traditional male therapy that I'm used to, and I think it's far superior because there seems to be far less mental illness in men, and we know that by the numbers because we can see the amount of antidepressants and we can see the amount of antipsychotic drugs that women are on versus men.
	Go ahead.
	Do you think that's because men aren't going to these doctor's appointments, so they're not even getting diagnosed and prescribed in the first place?
	No, it's not.
	But you would see this act out in other ways in society then.
	The highest population of antidepressant abusers is women.
	Isn't the highest from the mental illness is higher in women than it is in men.
	There's no doubt that that's true.
	But you know how I see men generally deal with their problems rather than go and sit on the couch and talk to some chick about their feelings.
	What they do is they get on a game called Red Dead Redemption 2.
	They find prostitutes and they tie them up in the game and they put them on the back of a horse and they go down to the railroad track and then they throw them on the railroad track and then they wait there with a six shooter till the train comes.
	And then it blasts them and cuts them in half and then they shoot at the body parts in the game.
	Honestly, I see them do it and you know what?
	They seem to be having a blast.
	So I was like, you know what?
	Honestly you guys try that shit and it was a lot of fun.
	How much fun?
	Is that a healthy way to deal with their issues?
	I feel like no, I think you said it was TOS.
	Yeah, definitely.
	If that's what works for them, that's beautiful.
	You guys do it.
	It was a lot of havoc, I think, for YouTube.
	Why put all of that energy into something like that when you can just talk and get it out?
	It's fun as a gamer.
	I can tell you.
	I can't even get it out and explain it.
	The best therapy sessions I've ever had have been with the boys playing Call of Duty doing the most obscene stuff.
	But is it because people tell you, like even me, for instance, I thought like crying, people seeing me cry was weak.
	And I had to figure that out.
	But that kind of goes for like men.
	Like they think those kind of behaviors are weak or they were told that at some point in their life.
	Well, I think that has something to do with it.
	I don't know.
	Here's the thing, though, is that we don't want to talk about our problems.
	We want to solve them.
	Okay, go solve them, but you don't need to solve them by suppressing all that.
	Okay, so you're in therapy because I feel bad about X.
	I feel bad about my life.
	I don't know why I feel bad about something that happened.
	You go to find out why you react to things in the way you react.
	I don't know about you, Mason.
	If I actually start meditating and thinking about my problems or talking about my problems, I feel bigger.
	I feel bad.
	Like, it makes me feel bad.
	That's a bad sign.
	It doesn't make me, like, it doesn't help the problem.
	No.
	I don't.
	That's not a good sign.
	That's the first step.
	Well, no, it's because that's how problem solving.
	Well, no.
	Men see things as knowing, okay, problem, solution.
	If there's a problem in my life, I need to find a solution.
	There's always a solution, though.
	There's always a solution regardless, but the first step to getting to a solution is knowing that.
	Okay, I'm just going to let you inside the mind of men right now.
	That's not the answer to that.
	So when we see a problem, it does nothing for us to ruminate and just stew on the problem itself and think about why is it a problem?
	Why is it affecting my psyche?
	Why does it make me feel this way?
	We don't think like that.
	It's a very interesting short term.
	Okay, there is the problem.
	Let me solve this problem, eliminate it.
	And then I don't have to deal with it anymore.
	It's gone.
	It's out of my mind.
	That's a problem.
	They think.
	Well, you're coming at me as a woman saying this because your mind works differently.
	You sit there, you say, well, that shit happened, and then you move on.
	Well, no, it's because as men, like, we can just expel it from our minds.
	We can totally recover from things by just talking about it.
	So the longer you talk about, the longer you talk about something, the more you're just going to drag it up, and then you're just going to have to deal with it over and over and over again.
	Just okay, that's a misconception.
	Have you ever had the experience of you go to like a guy, maybe you're dating him, and you like tell him a problem, and he's like, okay, well, you can do X, Y, Z, and here's how you can resolve it, or here's what you can do.
	And you're like, well, I don't really want that.
	I just want you to listen.
	That's the difference.
	That's the difference between men and women.
	Yeah, that's not like that's not.
	If a girl comes to me, if a girl comes to me with a problem, I'm going to be like, okay, how can I fix this?
	But y'all are like, no, I don't want a solution.
	Just listen to me.
	Y'all thing.
	Can I?
	Because the whole y'all thing you guys don't like that we do.
	But that makes sense.
	Like, as a guy, I don't want to vent to anybody.
	Then don't.
	Oh, shit.
	That's up to you.
	That's subjective.
	And that's totally valid.
	I'm not saying that's not valid.
	But that really helps.
	I have a clarifying question for you specifically.
	When you're saying that the way that men are wired and their brains work this way, I agree that that's the majority of men, but do you think that's how all men are wired?
	Or should he?
	Naturally, yeah.
	I mean, naturally, yes.
	Naturally, yes.
	And is that okay?
	Sometimes there are problems that are too large for a man to accomplish by himself.
	So he has to bring in other people.
	But at the end of the day, all he's trying to do is just solve the problem instead of talk about the intricacies of the problem.
	Like if he has to talk about the intricacies of the problem to solve it, he'll do that.
	But for the sake of talking about the problem, he'll never do that.
	Only when it's necessary, you're saying?
	Exactly.
	Okay, I understand that.
	I will say too, though, I have going back to your point about how when you'll vent to like a boyfriend or whatever, I have had partners in the past where I'll vent to them and they don't immediately hand me solutions.
	And their natural instinct is just to be like, I'm so sorry, that sucks.
	Sure.
	Like, I'm so sorry that happened.
	Like, I don't think that's a problem.
	Well, it's because they've been taught.
	Sorry, I didn't want to cut you off.
	No, it's okay.
	But generally speaking, the first relationships I ever got into, my initial reaction was, solve the problem.
	But it's been taught to me that women don't think exactly like I do.
	So I've had to learn that when a woman comes to me with a problem, I have to decipher or ask them, do you want a solution or you just want me to listen?
	I mean, generally speaking, I'll typically just listen.
	But with a guy, one of my bros comes to me with a problem, I know I can just give him a solution, and that's kind of what he's looking for.
	No, and I think that's a good skill that you have that you can differentiate in between those two.
	Yeah, and I think it comes with learning.
	Yeah, of course.
	But I will say that I have friends who are male where their instinct is not to just solve it.
	It's to comfort me first.
	And that's their natural instinct.
	So I agree with you that that's the majority of men.
	I do not think that is all of them, though.
	I think that you're on blanket terms.
	And it's not necessary.
	Well, maybe you haven't been with them through their whole life.
	Maybe there have been points in.
	I've got childhood friends.
	And I think.
	From birth, you've been with them?
	Because at all points in life.
	Elementary school.
	I'm just saying, we all want to solve the problem.
	That's not the issue here.
	Can I ask a question along this vein?
	Okay.
	For those of you who are big, heavy believers in therapy, have you ever actually known a single woman who's gone to therapy and been cured of the problem she was going to therapy for?
	Cured?
	Hell no.
	I don't think they're just off of talking to one person.
	Don't get cured like that.
	It's not the way it sounds either.
	I think that when you go to therapy, you learn how to deal with problems that life throw you.
	I don't think you get cured.
	It's a longer lasting.
	You learn how to address things in the future when they crop up in your life.
	I've gone to therapy, and at this point now, would I say I'm cured?
	No, I'm a human.
	I experience stress within my daily life.
	But after going to therapy, I know how to manage stress better.
	And it worked for me, and that's fine.
	Wouldn't that be a cure?
	A cure?
	No, because you don't like, yeah, I don't know.
	You no longer have to go through.
	Maybe you cured that.
	No, I still go occasionally.
	I just don't go as often.
	Maybe you cured that like problem at that time that you had, but people don't stop going through experiences that you're doing.
	If the goal of therapy is to gather all of these tools so you can appropriately deal with issues in the future, you should be able to provide somebody with those tools and not have to continue providing new tools to but do you have the same like problems or fears that you did when you were five than now?
	No, because I deal with other normal people.
	I have the tools.
	I don't have to continually have somebody give me more tools to figure out how to deal with the issues.
	Well, that's good for you.
	Can I propose an analogy real quick just to shed light on my perspective?
	Okay, think of it like this.
	I went to therapy because I experienced anxiety from a really young age.
	I did not know how to deal with stress, right?
	Think of it like a chronic, a chronic disease, right?
	You can learn to manage it, but it never fully goes away.
	I still feel anxious, but now I have the tools in order to remedy that and ease those symptoms.
	It's like living with a chronic, I don't, I hate drawing that comparison.
	Have you ever tried alternative forms of medicine, though?
	Alternative forms of medicine.
	Can you please elaborate and provide examples?
	Yeah, I can give you an example.
	Have you ever tried bunny blasting?
	Oh my gosh.
	No, please explain, though.
	That's where you take it.
	Is that the thing that you do?
	And that you're going to blow the brain out of the way.
	I believe I asked for examples.
	Have you ever tried that?
	I believe I asked for examples, plural, please provide more.
	I think that's all he has.
	I don't know.
	It's okay.
	Going out and shooting at random things or something or building something or any number of different things.
	Yes, I do build.
	I have done the building things.
	My dad does woodworking and I've gone out and learned how to woodwork with him.
	And that has been a lot of fun.
	Well, what did you learn how to woodwork?
	My brother, we built the furniture for his bedroom.
	So we built a bedframe, a desk, and a little nightstand for him.
	Well, what did you do for the woodworking portion?
	You specifically?
	Woodworking, me specifically?
	Okay, well, I used the saw.
	I learned how to use the bands.
	What kind of stuff?
	What did you say?
	What kind of saw?
	A band saw.
	And I used to use a hand saw.
	I did use a jigsaw in order to stabilize the wood.
	Yes.
	And then I learned how to use a stander.
	My dad is very, very into carpentry, so he did teach me basic things.
	Am I a master woodcrafter?
	No, I never claimed to be aware of that.
	I'm not asking you if you're a master woodcraft.
	I'm just asking if you've ever vented maybe your frustrations in a different way.
	I think that there are total.
	Yes, and I'm not just saying like, I have many different ways that I process emotion.
	I just don't go to therapy 24-7.
	I don't think anyone does.
	I like to lift weights.
	I'm going to jump in on this.
	Okay.
	A part of therapy.
	I mean, if you're trying to actually tackle something specific, you said you had anxiety.
	You went to therapy for it.
	Perhaps you saw somebody who specialized in treating people who have panic disorders, anxiety, etc.
	I don't really have any objections there, but I do think there are some sort of this idea, like, because you'll see on like dating apps, for example, to bring it back to dating, women will just like wholesale say, green flag if a man's in therapy or men should be in therapy, which sort of pathologizes men in general, saying, well, there's something sort of innately wrong with men and they need to solve their maleness by, I mean, I'm sorry, I don't want the straw man, but you will see these things from women on dating apps,
	for example.
	Just going to talk therapy because you're just vaguely not really trying to address any specific, anything specific like you were with anxiety, but you're just vaguely unhappy or vaguely depressed or just because society is saying or women are saying, I'm attracted to men, men should be in therapy.
	It's a green flag.
	I think there's an issue there.
	Talk therapy I don't think is effective at all.
	But I do think, for example, as you mentioned, therapies that can assist with specific issues.
	Maybe someone who's coping with the, who's grieving, who's lost a family member.
	There are therapists who can specifically help with how to overcome that sort of thing.
	I think that, you know, oftentimes these are covered by the hospice or in any case, but it does kind of lead into our next thing here.
	I've heard that men's hesitance to go to therapy or their unwillingness to go to therapy is evidence of toxic masculinity.
	Do you agree with that?
	Here's what I would say.
	I would say that an adherence to go to therapy has been due to the notion that a lot of men are just taught that therapy is not for men.
	Here's what I, and I also have a response to the dating prompts.
	Do I think that everyone needs to actively be in therapy?
	No.
	I don't think everyone actively needs to be in therapy.
	Do I think that at least everyone should at least try it once in order to see if it works for them?
	Yes.
	Yes, I do.
	I don't think that everyone needs to be in it consistently, though.
	That's like how you said.
	Like, you have processing techniques that work for you better, and I'm glad.
	And like, I'm not saying that therapy has to work for you.
	Like, that would be really ignorant of me to think that one thing would work for everyone.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's not my argument here.
	I'm just saying that everyone should at least try it once.
	Or consider it.
	Well, I'm going to move it off of therapy conversation.
	A couple more questions, and we will try to wrap things up here pretty soon.
	Bringing up toxic masculinity, do you believe that that is a thing, though?
	Yes.
	Toxic masculinity going around the table.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Another thing.
	Okay.
	Do you think there's toxic femininity?
	Oh, 100%.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Definitely.
	But why do we tend to hear more about toxic masculinity than we do about toxic femininity?
	Why do you think that is?
	I think that's actually a really interesting question.
	I think because feminism is such a new field, like it's only been around, like the term feminism, when was it coined?
	Like, I'm not even sure personally.
	But it's a relatively recently new field, right?
	When you have new fields emerging, you don't look at it with the same lens as you would a field that is like more established.
	I think that a lot of times with toxic femininity, I think a lot of times women will beat each other down, like little digs at each other, passive-aggressive, making each other look bad in front of other people.
	I'm sure everyone at this table has experienced a woman being toxic to them in some form.
	That's kind of a weird analogy, though, right?
	I mean, feminism's been around a lot longer than, let's say, the microchip, for instance.
	Like, really, though?
	Are you comparing feminism with a microchip?
	No, like, I mean, I also assumed that it was within the past, like, few hundred years, maybe.
	Yeah, I'm just saying.
	How old do you think the microchip is?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't study microchips.
	It's okay.
	I mean, if you had a yes, right, the microchip would be pretty recent, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Can I please finish my point?
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, but I still would like you to answer to this because you start by saying, well, feminism is kind of a new term.
	And because of that, we're focusing on this kind of limited prism, which is really strange because I think that language and I think that ideas are just technologies, just like a microchip.
	They're all just technologies.
	So it still kind of begs a question.
	I don't really understand why we would be hyper-focusing on toxic masculinity just because feminism is new.
	That's part I don't understand.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I think it's not, it shouldn't be focused on just toxic masculinity.
	I think that toxic.
	That's the case.
	I agree with your guys's points that toxic femininity does need to be talked about more.
	I've never said that.
	I think it's honestly a bigger issue than people make it out to be.
	I think that a lot of the times the biggest, I think in a lot of instances too, a lot of issues that women have can be attributed to other women in these instances.
	But that's because it's like looked down upon almost by like the feminist, whatever that would be culture.
	That if you are a woman and you say something against feminism or what the like social norm definition of it is, then you're not on the side, I don't know, on the right side of it.
	I don't know.
	I'm trying to like two insecure women will gain confidence by putting other women down, and I think that's why it happens a lot of the time.
	So it's just as bad as toxic masculinity.
	It's not like.
	I actually just found something kind of interesting.
	I was just trying to Google, I did a Google search of toxic femininity and toxic masculinity.
	And there's a Wikipedia article, there's a full-on Wikipedia article for toxic masculinity.
	But if you try to search for toxic femininity, it redirects to internalized misogyny, which I think is interesting.
	Why are you using Wikipedia as your source?
	Well, I mean, that is often cited, but I mean.
	Getting like a societal consensus upon something.
	Wikipedia is pretty useful.
	I mean, just anything.
	You can get that information in there.
	Brian, how dare you think toxic femininity is a thing?
	I think the first thing we were taught in school was to check your source.
	No, yeah, I'm not saying Wikipedia is a toxic femininity.
	It's not very analysis.
	Hold on, hold on.
	So UCSB has a feminist studies program.
	Have you taken any feminism courses?
	Yes, I have.
	Okay.
	Do you recall the name of the course?
	I took Feminist 181.
	It was Applied Feminist Theory.
	Was there a more introductory course that you took, or that was the only feminist course you took?
	I took Feminist 62.
	It was women of color.
	So this used standpoint theory?
	What was that?
	Feminist standpoint theory?
	In the upper division course, yes.
	I took it as a GE.
	Okay.
	Wait, so, but no, like, intro, is there an intro to feminism or anything like that?
	Well, you take the lower divs before you take upper divs.
	The lower divs are considered your intro course before you get to the upper div course.
	Well, you said the, so you took the color, what is it?
	The women of color class is a lower div.
	It's introductory before the higher level.
	So you took that one and then you took the applied feminism.
	What is applied feminism?
	What is that?
	Applied feminist theory is applying theories that center around the perspectives of women and using that as a lens to view issues in society.
	So this can go with any theory.
	You could do this with Marxist theory, anything.
	It's just using a theoretical lens to view an issue.
	Yeah, in this point, the standpoint lens.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And I mean, so you took issue with me citing to Wikipedia kind of redirecting toxic femininity to this term internalized sexism, but isn't this a term that feminists use, internalized sexism or internalized misogyny?
	Yeah, I have used that.
	I have heard that term used before.
	So it's replaced, you don't use internalized, or excuse me, you don't use toxic femininity.
	Used internalized sexism or misogyny?
	No, I would probably use toxic femininity.
	Is toxic femininity focused on in feminist studies?
	I would say yes.
	More so than toxic masculinity?
	I would say equally so.
	Equally so.
	Yes, I would say so.
	Okay.
	And then what are some of the, I mean, did you guys talk about patriarchy, patriarchy theory?
	Yes, it's a feminist theory.
	I mean, the whole thing is toxic femininity, ultimately, right?
	Because it's standpoint theory.
	So the entire prism or lens in which you're looking at the feminism is only and specifically through the prism of women.
	It's looking at things through the perspective of women.
	This would be the same as if, but I will say that the have any of you guys taken like a feminist theory course at all?
	No?
	I'm very familiar.
	Have you taken like a course or done like personal research?
	Personal research.
	Okay.
	Wait, I have one quick question here.
	You said looking at things through the lens of women?
	Looking at things through the perspectives of women.
	Yes.
	But that's what standpoint theory is.
	Brian.
	Standpoint theory is the prism, the lens in which you're looking at the worldview.
	In this case, the worldview is only coming from the perspective of women.
	But like, can this apply to math?
	Like, is there a woman wanted it to?
	I don't know how it would, but we didn't focus on that.
	I'm just curious.
	I don't know.
	I guess theoretically, you could apply it to that.
	Okay.
	And so, but I. There is.
	So you, I mean, you've taken these classes.
	They talk about the patriarchy theory.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, they do talk about patriarchy.
	And so given your experience in these classes, what's your sense of, like, can you define what that is?
	What is the patriarchy?
	What is the patriarchy theory?
	Okay, so the patriarchy is essentially the idea that women are inferior to men, and it's a set of notions, ideas, institutions that sustain this belief.
	But I will say too, these classes don't demonize men.
	I think that's a very common misconception.
	Okay, I have to follow up with you on that, though.
	So you said also this applied feminism thing, it'll look at like Marxism, for example.
	I use that as another example of how applied theory works.
	I did not use Marxism in my class.
	No, that's not really what I'm getting at.
	But the so my understanding with Marxism, it's sort of it looks at things from a lens of oppressor-oppressed.
	Okay.
	And my view, my understanding of feminism, and you mentioned patriarchy theory.
	Isn't that precisely what patriarchy theory is?
	That women are oppressed and men are the oppressors?
	I think it's a little more complex than that.
	I think it's the idea that, so patriarchy isn't women being oppressed.
	Patriarchy is the idea that men are superior to women.
	And it's the idea.
	Yes, it leads to the oppression of women.
	Patriarchy itself is not the oppression of women.
	Patriarchy can take many different forms.
	It's not always in the sole oppression of women.
	Okay, but so are women oppressed under a patriarchy?
	Yes.
	Okay, and who, who, if women as a group are oppressed, there must be another group that is oppressing the women, which is who?
	It's oftentimes men, but the way that I have learned about it personally, and this is my understanding of it, I don't think it's your understanding.
	I think that...
	Are you going to say internalized misogyny, that women have internalized misogyny?
	Please let me finish.
	Let's let her finish.
	I would really like to not be interrupted while talking about this.
	I know you wouldn't, but I just wanted to predict it.
	That's all.
	You can hold your predictions until the end.
	I appreciate it.
	Well, then it wouldn't be a prediction if I held it till the end.
	Are you done?
	I am.
	Thank you.
	Essentially, patriarchy is a system of punishments and rewards.
	Anyone can women oppress other women in these instances.
	That is what toxic femininity is.
	Anyone can benefit off a system of patriarchy.
	Women will make little tiny digs at other women and they'll gain slight respect of other men.
	It comes in many different forms.
	Like, for example, like a woman just talking badly about like classic feminine traits, like, oh, that's so girly.
	Oh, I hate wearing makeup.
	Like, I would never do that.
	Like, women who wear makeup are insecure.
	All these things.
	When women say those things, it gains them some sort of social capital under a system of patriarchy.
	Anyone can benefit from a system of patriarchy, but it functions off the idea that men are superior to women.
	So internalized misogyny.
	Not necessarily, because it's.
	Well, if women are oppressing other women under a patriarchal system and they're doing it in order to score points with whoever's in charge of the patriarchy, that would be considered internalized misogyny, right?
	That's one example of it, but the internalized misogyny is just one aspect of patriarchy.
	That's not the entire thing.
	Now, I didn't say that that was the entire aspect of patriarchy.
	I said a specific example of women oppressing other women through the means of patriarchy in order to score points with the patriarchy.
	That's internalized misogyny, right?
	Yes, I would say by definition.
	Do you want to add in?
	No.
	So then my prediction was correct.
	That's why I wanted to get it on record.
	Okay.
	So I have a couple follow-up questions on this.
	So, I mean, you mentioned that women can oftentimes say negative things about other women.
	I think that's perhaps getting a little bit away from my questioning here, though, because we're talking about patriarchy.
	I'm not totally sure how that ties in unless you have an explanation.
	Okay, yeah, I do have an explanation.
	Okay, I have some more questions for you afterwards, but go ahead.
	Okay, so as I've said before, patriarchy isn't just men oppressing women, it's the idea.
	Women can still hold patriarchal ideas, even as women.
	Society functions under patriarchal ideals.
	These things are taught to us since we're young.
	They're taught to us in many different things, in many different forms.
	They're taught to us in different behaviors, school, just different societal norms.
	You're going to be a mom, you know.
	Yes, yes.
	You got to talk in the mic if you're going to.
	You got to like, you know, have, you know, domestic roles and, like, you're going to be, I don't know, things like that a lot.
	Those putting, like assigning gender roles at a very young age, like, oh, women are always expected to cook and clean.
	Women are expected to give childbear.
	Like, all of these things function under a system of patriarchy.
	And when these behaviors are repeated over, time and time again, it sustains this idea.
	Like, all of these different actions and behaviors and institutions that these ideals are ingrained into, that's what sustains the idea over time.
	Now.
	Wait, so you mentioned an objection to this view that women should be moms or have children.
	Isn't that just, isn't there a biological basis, though?
	Yes, I think that, obviously, yes, I'm not denying that, but I think that women should be given the choice of whether they want to be a mom or not.
	Nobody should be compelled to.
	And I think that, but a lot of times in society, like as a girl, it's assumed by a lot of people that I want to have children.
	People don't say, oh, would you like to be a mom?
	They assume that I am going to become a mom one day.
	That is assumed that that's my natural role as I get.
	Can you say the same thing for men?
	I don't think so in the same way.
	I think that it's definitely there.
	It's definitely present.
	Like there is still that expectation.
	But take, for example, like two stereotypes, right?
	You have like a woman in her 40s who doesn't have children versus a man in his 40s who doesn't have children.
	When you think of the woman in her 40s, you're like, oh, she's lonely.
	She's a spinster.
	She has no purpose.
	Like, she doesn't have a family.
	Like, she can't possibly have that inner joy within her life.
	Think of a man in his 40s.
	Oh, he'll settle down at some point.
	He's a bachelor.
	He's just enjoying his life, like all of these things.
	Do you think there's a biological basis for this?
	I think at some point, just because of due to like the reproductive system, yes.
	But I do think that a large component is societal.
	Yeah, I think that that's all bullshit.
	So here's a good example of why it's bullshit.
	It ignores ontology.
	And you know what ontology is.
	You were taught that in your feminist studies course, right?
	No, I don't know what that is.
	Could you?
	No, you weren't taught ontology in your feminist study course.
	They don't ever teach ontology.
	So the study of being, meaning that there's a difference between men and women.
	They're not interchangeable widgets as much as feminists would like to pretend that we are.
	We each have a separate ontological nature.
	Our very nature in being is different.
	This is why these stereotypes exist.
	They exist because the actual root in which is a man and what is a woman are totally different from one another.
	And so when you take these loaded terms like patriarchy, what's ignored by feminists is nature.
	Not nature as in the natural world, but rather the nature of what the thing actually is.
	Men and women are not the same thing.
	I never saw that.
	Period.
	And so because, hang on, because of that, we have a different telos, a different purpose.
	And this is why, when people think about purpose and they say, oh, the 40-year-old spinster, this is not something which is socially pressured as much as it is a way for us to understand the nature of women is to make children.
	This must be the case because there's no other way they can be made.
	And so, of course, we would see that women who defy their own nature are going to be more miserable than not.
	Anything which devolves away from its own purpose tends to not be very happy.
	Do you think that as a woman, my only purpose is to have children?
	I think it's your ultimate telos.
	You think that the most fulfilling, joyful experience I could ever have in my life is to have children.
	As opposed to any other person.
	Wait, can I?
	Oh, here, hang on, hang on.
	Let me finish real quick, Brian.
	I'll go ahead.
	Let me give you the straight answer.
	I want to hear what you have to say.
	Yes.
	And why?
	Why would I think that?
	Well, because all of the evidence, which I have and you have, would indicate that that is true.
	A, can men have children?
	No.
	Who can?
	Women.
	And the primary edict from an evolutionary standpoint is reproduction, is it not?
	Well, yeah, of course.
	Nobody's denying that.
	So then if the primary edict is reproduction, only women can have children, then it seems that the nature and purpose for women ultimately is to be the ones who have children.
	Otherwise, we go extinct, right?
	That wouldn't make a lot of sense.
	So yes, of course, I would tie generally the purpose of the thing to the thing.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Are you finished, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, yeah, that is all absolutely true.
	There's nothing I can disagree about that.
	But why the need for like zero effort in wanting progress, like wanting more than that?
	I don't understand how you can deliver more progress to society than replication.
	For instance, rocks and non-biological things cannot replicate.
	You can actually replicate your genetics.
	You can do that.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	Solely biological beings only can do this.
	Yeah, that's a miracle one.
	That's what I'm saying.
	What could ever be a higher purpose than that for a woman?
	I would actually like to know what would be a higher purpose for a woman than replication.
	I personally, if I were to have a child right now, I would not be like, this is the end of it.
	I'm the happiest I've ever been, and this is the happiest I'm ever going to be.
	Happy is amazing.
	I know because purpose isn't just like being a mom.
	There's plenty of other things that fulfill me.
	No, I'm not.
	Then how the fuck would you know?
	Because there's plenty of other things.
	What are you talking about?
	I'm talking about the things that have given me purpose that have fulfilled me and kept me alive and happy and not still wanting to have to be a mom prematurely because that's my purpose.
	So let me ask you very directly right now or I'm never going to be able to eat.
	Let me just ask you very directly.
	What could you ever do in your life that would be more important than replicating your genes?
	Oh my God.
	Honestly, if we're going to go into that territory, then like there's plenty of other things.
	Then there's what?
	Helping other children that don't have parents, maybe.
	I don't have to replicate my own genes to do that.
	That comes from a really selfish.
	So somebody else has been able to replicate their genes?
	No, but you know, like if there's five children that don't have parents, they have nothing, and then I'm over here wanting to replicate myself in that selfish state of mind.
	Why would that be a lot of people?
	It's a bit selfish because you can help this child that is going to die without you.
	I want to bring it up.
	Why can't you help the child and replicate?
	The resources are going to help you.
	Andrew, I'm going to get things back on track a little bit.
	Wait, what?
	I don't even understand the argument.
	It's off the rails.
	So you don't replicate because there's children out there who are in need?
	Yeah, you don't have to replicate in order to have that feeling of motherhood.
	Somebody has to replicate.
	If you're talking about purpose.
	Wait.
	Somebody has to replicate those children.
	There's plenty of people replicating all over the fucking world right now.
	So somebody has to replicate, right?
	Yes, yes.
	So if that's the case, then still you would still be fulfilling your ultimate purpose, which would be to take care of what is replicated.
	Hold on.
	Say.
	You're going to say, where do I begin?
	Go ahead.
	Yes.
	There's a lot of other things that I'm excited to do that I think are my purpose besides childbirth.
	And personally, speaking from the perspective as a woman, you are not a biological woman.
	There is a list of things that I am more excited to do than give birth to children at the moment.
	I'm more excited.
	Wait a second.
	Are you saying that there's a distinction between people who self-identify as women and biological women?
	No, I'm saying that you're not a biological woman.
	Well, then I can have the same exact lived experience you do.
	Do you identify as a woman?
	It wouldn't matter, would it?
	All that matters is that I could have the same exact lived experience as you if you make no distinction between the self-ID and the biological.
	And if you don't, and you said you don't, then you can't say you're not a biological woman, so therefore X. Can I please finish?
	Yeah, but you can finish after you clarify how it is that you can tell me what my lived experience is when you make no distinction between the biological and whatever my self-ID may be.
	You know what?
	I am sorry for assuming your self-ID.
	That was wrong on my part.
	So I can have the same exact lived experience as a biological woman, right?
	Do you think you have the lived experience?
	That's not my question.
	What's my question?
	I could have the same exact experience as a biological woman under your worldview, correct?
	You're arguing that.
	Are you going to answer my question?
	I am answering your question, and I need you to stop interrupting me.
	Okay, so yes or no, could I have the same experience as a biological woman without being a biological woman under your worldview?
	Yes or no?
	If you would let me finish, you would know that I have.
	Do you know how to say the word yes and do you know how to say the word no?
	That way I know what your position is.
	Don't obfuscate.
	Don't bullshit me.
	Just say yes or no.
	And if it's no, then you can qualify.
	And if it's yes, you can qualify.
	Can I please speak?
	I would like to speak my answer without being interrupted.
	Go ahead.
	Here is my perspective.
	You are arguing right that as a biological woman, due to my hormones, my purpose, the greatest, most fulfilling thing in my life is having children, right?
	And multiple times.
	I want you, you're not answering my question.
	I'm clarifying your point before I do.
	You just asked me a question.
	You just asked me a question.
	You didn't answer my question.
	So I'm going to ask you again: under your worldview, can I have by self-identifying as a woman the same exact experience that you have as a biological woman or not?
	I think it's more complex than that.
	Is it okay for me to- You got to speak into the mic or I can't hear you.
	I think it's personally more complex than that, and I quite honestly don't have a yes or no answer, and I think it's more subjective on a case-to-case basis.
	Right, so you don't know.
	So you don't even know if there's a distinction between someone who's a biological woman and someone who just self-IDs.
	How can you use the fact that you're a biological woman as an argument then?
	I personally have tried to explain my point, and I have tried to explain to you that I do not think that this is a yes or no question.
	I think that it is simply on a case-to-case basis.
	It's not black and white.
	I think it's a little more complex than that.
	And it's okay if you don't, if that answer is.
	The concept is too complex for my feeble mind to comprehend that you can't say yes or no to a direct question.
	Now, I'd like to demonstrate for you the distinction between the two of us.
	You can go ahead and ask me the same exact question, and I will say yes, or I will say no, and then give my qualifier.
	Because either one's true or it's not true.
	Can I please continue?
	You were done.
	It was my turn to speak.
	I have some questions to say.
	I have some questions too.
	Yeah, I could ask a couple.
	Yeah, if you're not going to be able to do that.
	I could throw a couple questions out there.
	Are you going to?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I thought Andrew had more.
	You got more, Andrew?
	What you got?
	I mean, I do.
	I would like to actually go through this because I don't understand how you make the argument.
	You're not a biological woman, therefore blank.
	Because by your worldview, if I have, if I just self-ID'd as being the thing and then claimed I had the same experience that a biological woman has, even if I claim that it's the overly masculine experience that I'm used to, you could have no argument against that unless you are making the distinction between a biological woman and a self-ID'd woman.
	Are you making the distinction between the two?
	Andrew, what I was going to say is that I do not think this concept is too complex for you to understand.
	That's not what I'm getting at here.
	I think that this context, this topic in itself is so complex that I personally, me speaking like truly, do not have a yes or no answer.
	I'm not saying that I don't have an answer for you.
	I just don't have an answer.
	I solely don't.
	Well, I can't.
	We're not going to get bogged down.
	So assume, assume for a second.
	Let me just make sure I got this right.
	And then, sure, I'll turn it over to Brian for whatever he wants.
	I just want to make sure I got this right.
	You are unsure whether or not, based on just self-ID, I could or could not have the same experiences as a biological woman.
	I just want to make sure that we got that on record.
	It's not that I'm unsure.
	I think it's more dependent on a case-to-case basis.
	That's all I'm saying.
	And I'm not saying that the topic is too complex for you to understand.
	I think you fully understand it.
	That's not what I'm getting at here.
	I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion.
	I'm not.
	Well, we can't stay bogged down on this for too long.
	So I have a couple questions I'd like to ask.
	So when Andrew was talking about, you know, this being perhaps the ultimate thing that a woman could do in her life, and you said, well, I have plenty of things.
	I don't know specifically what you said.
	You said there's plenty of things that I would begin.
	I can clarify for you.
	I remember what I said.
	I said, there are plenty of things that I'm more looking forward to than childbirth and reproducing and multiplying my own genes right now.
	I can personally think of many.
	What are some of those?
	Okay, I want to live abroad right now.
	So I'm more afforded at my current place in life right now.
	I am more looking forward to living abroad, going to grad school, graduating from grad school, meeting a future partner, doing all of these things.
	And I have another question to pose.
	If someone were unable to have biological children, right?
	Would you still argue that her greatest purpose in life is to reproduce?
	Would you still argue that?
	Well, I wasn't really making the argument, but she's incapable of reproducing.
	So if she can't reproduce, she can't reproduce.
	So she could go off and find something else.
	But I guess my question to you is: one, you could do all of those things and also have children.
	But I guess what I often hear is when it comes to there are better things than having children, it's typically in pursuit of a career.
	I think that is a common argument.
	I think that it honestly is subjective.
	I myself personally have never had the desire to have children, if I'm being fully honest.
	Sure, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	But I guess saying that some women's purpose isn't to be moms.
	I think that's totally fine.
	I know some people who enjoy motherhood.
	It's the thing that they're meant to do.
	And I'm not trying to invalidate that.
	I think that women should just simply have the choice if that is what they want to do or not.
	Right.
	Yeah, I don't think we're making the argument that they shouldn't have the choice.
	I think the argument we're trying to make, it is probably the most selfless and most altruistic and most impactful thing they could do upon the world is reproduce, have children, be a mother.
	Would you, here's another counter thing.
	Say I didn't have children biologically.
	I adopted.
	And I saved kids from like an instance where they're refugees, they don't have the proper resources, they don't have social provisions given to them.
	And I give them a life in a developed nation and I provide them all the loving care that a biological mother possibly could.
	Would you argue that that's still just as altruistic and selfless?
	It would be arguably replicating.
	So the thing is, somebody still had to replicate and fulfill their highest purpose in order for you to then fulfill your highest purpose.
	Yes, I'm not denying that a woman has to bear children, but okay.
	Anyways.
	Wait, so okay, look, I'll just kind of get to the point here.
	Do you think working for some nameless corporation and being a worker drone is generally more fulfilling than having children?
	I think that for some women, if they find a career that they are extremely passionate about, yes, it could.
	Is that purposeful?
	Do you think most women have been passionate about?
	I think that I wish they did.
	I think it's really hard to find something that you're that passionate about and be able to turn it into a living.
	I would argue that that's not my purpose in life.
	I don't think that is a lot of people's purpose in life.
	But, like how you said earlier, like what do you want to do for work?
	What do I want to do for work?
	I want to be a lawyer.
	A lawyer.
	Okay, what kind of law?
	I want to go into employment law and I want to deal with workers' comp cases.
	Okay.
	And do you think that, you know, when you're on your deathbed and you're looking back, do you think that you'll think, you know, in comparison, if you had children, do you think it would be more fond memories of having children around you?
	Or when you're in your old age, if you have children, grandchildren, do you think that would be kind of more desirable than like looking back on the fond memories of that employment lawsuit that you just scorched?
	You killed it.
	Well, obviously not, but I think it's a little, I think it's a very broad assumption to assume that I won't be surrounded with children in a different sense.
	Like my little brother wants to have children.
	I'm looking forward to being an aunt.
	I love kids.
	I do.
	I work as a nanny.
	I work with a three-year-old and an eight-year-old right now.
	I want to volunteer as a teacher abroad for a few years.
	It's not that I don't love children.
	I think that they're amazing.
	I love being able to see things through the perspective of someone who's seeing it with fresh eyes.
	I think it's such an amazing thing.
	I'm not denying that.
	And I would love to be an aunt.
	I would love to volunteer with children in the future.
	I personally just don't think being a mother is for me personally.
	All right, so hold on, hold on.
	So, okay.
	I think one of the criticisms of feminism is I don't think most people actually have any objections to, look, if a given woman, you know, they don't want to have children or they'd rather pursue a career over starting a family.
	I don't think anyone really cares.
	I think one of the criticisms of feminism is its actual attack on women who do choose to have families and who want to, for example, go have kids, be a mom, be a stay-at-home mom.
	They think that that's some sort of form of oppression.
	Oh, I don't think it is.
	I think it's because, and I've said this so many times, I think it's a case-to-case basis.
	Well, sure.
	Anyways, I do.
	I'm going to move it on a little bit here.
	Just one last question if you don't have mindset.
	And then Mason, on the topic of altruism, let me ask you a question.
	Because you brought up the idea of altruism, would you agree with me that highly educated and intelligent women tend to actually procreate less than people who are in poor socioeconomic conditions and have less intelligence?
	That's a rough line.
	I don't know.
	No, it's not rough.
	I mean, poor people reproduce more than rich people do, generally speaking.
	And especially upper class people, that is just the case.
	That could be related to resources and yeah, I'm not disputing any of that.
	It could be related to all sorts of things.
	Like education levels and like opportunity to find other things that you find.
	Generally, the more educated a person is, the less they procreate.
	Okay, this is the truth.
	The reason I asked this question.
	Well, I'm sorry.
	He was moving it along.
	I didn't mean to cut you off.
	Go ahead.
	It's okay.
	I understand.
	And it's okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	So I agree there.
	Okay.
	Well, my bad.
	One of us has to go.
	It's hard over Zoom.
	I understand.
	But I don't mean to cut you off either.
	I think there is a correlation between education and higher levels of employment.
	That being said, it's also because these people with higher education have better insurance, better access to health care, more access to birth control.
	I think that also is a factor in it.
	And they have less children.
	Yes, I do think they have less children.
	Yeah.
	Here's the thing.
	So then what you're doing, right, if you're truly altruistic, wouldn't you want the children of the future to be the smartest?
	And if you wanted them to be the smartest, shouldn't you be reproducing more than the dumbest people are?
	I don't think it's an, I mean, I think it's more resources than genetics personally.
	I am not, I'm going to be honest, I'm not personally well versed in this subject.
	So take whatever I'm saying with a grain of salt right now.
	I'm not acting like I know everything on this subject.
	I think that if a child was to have the proper education, proper environment to develop, a good childhood versus impeccable genetics, I think that that would pay a bigger role.
	I'm not even talking about genetics.
	I'm just saying that if it were even so, that it's resources-based, and it must be because nourishment, for instance, correlates with IQ.
	If you're young and you're malnourished, your brain is becomes deformed, literally.
	It doesn't grow to its potential.
	So this is a massive problem.
	But to hone in here, if you have the best and brightest women who are out there in the workforce instead of procreating, regardless of if it's due to resources or genetics, the future generations are going to be dumber than the previous generations, right?
	I mean, I would like to.
	Hang on, AI, let her answer.
	Okay.
	I would argue that there's different ways in order to impact a child's upbringing than just being their mother.
	And I don't think, too, that...
	That's not an answer to my question.
	It really isn't.
	That's a total evasion of my question.
	If the people who have the resources are the best and the brightest and the smartest women, if we're wasting them in the workforce instead of them reproducing, how are we not going to end up with dumber generations of children?
	I do see your point a little bit here.
	I think you do have a valid argument.
	And I will say, like, I respect your argument.
	My thing is that on average, it's not, I think it's, that's not what we're seeing is happening here.
	I think that on average, more educated women with higher salaries do tend to have less children on average, right?
	That doesn't matter.
	So future generations are going to be smarter or less smart.
	I think it more so depends on the resources that you have accessible to you.
	It depends on the school district that you're living in.
	I think it depends on.
	I guess what Andy's trying to get to is if those women who are smart, educated have the most resources, therefore they should be having the most children because they have the most resources, education to train them up and create bright future for us all.
	Yeah.
	Why would I want to waste the best and the brightest of the only people who can replicate their genetics going and working for a boss in some fucking cubicle when they could be reproducing the next generation of women who can then reproduce the best and the brightest and the best, et cetera, et cetera?
	Like that seems absurd to me.
	But don't you see a lot of cases where like there are families that are in that position and can but don't, right?
	But those people that do, their children are worse than the children that like that doesn't necessarily have to do with.
	I swear to God, it has nothing to do.
	I swear, it has nothing to do.
	Because it has nothing to do with that.
	Because those people can have children and they'll bring children and they'll how you want it to be because they're bad parents.
	That's great.
	Thank you for that.
	They could be all need to watch the movie Idiocracy.
	Smarty, you'll understand everything.
	All right, it's not that hard to understand.
	It's hard to understand if you've never been in a situation or a different country.
	I've lived in a country where.
	Cool.
	Yep.
	Heard yep.
	Good, good, good, good.
	Okay, let's bring it back to patriarchy.
	We kind of derailed there a little bit, but it was good.
	So, I guess some quick questions here.
	Do we currently live in the patriarchy?
	I would say patriarchy is not a physical place.
	So, in that sense, no, but yes, we do live under a patriarchal society, yes.
	Okay, and under patriarchy, are women oppressed?
	I would say yes.
	Okay.
	Under patriarchy, are men oppressors?
	Not always.
	I think that sometimes, yes, but also, like I was explaining earlier, women can also be oppressors.
	Okay, so but you did say that women are oppressed under patriarchy.
	Yeah, but I also think that sometimes too, men can be oppressed by toxic, like ideals of toxic masculinity as well.
	Okay, so are you oppressed?
	I would say relative to other populations, no.
	I'm a white cis woman.
	I have experienced different forms of sexism, patriarchal norms that have affected me and had classified as a form of oppression.
	Would I say that I would the category I would put myself into as oppressed?
	It's hard for me to say.
	I think that as a woman, I experiences forms of oppression that the average man wouldn't.
	Such as such as, can I use just two letters?
	Sure.
	SA, DV, those occur to women at much, much higher rates.
	They can still occur to men, but those are issues that it's not clear to me.
	Wouldn't that be something that occurs on the individual level?
	How would it be evidence of oppression?
	Because typically you're thinking of like a system would be oppressing you, or a government would be oppressing you, or the patriarchy would be oppressing you.
	But it's not clear to me.
	So you said DV and you said SA.
	I don't see how that's necessarily evidence of oppression.
	Okay.
	I can explain my logic behind it if you think about it.
	Are you saying that there's a culture, there's a SA culture?
	Yes, there is.
	I would argue that patriarchy and this system of ideas, I would argue personally, that the way that it sustains things like DV and SA is because it teaches men that they are the ones in power, right?
	And when they don't feel in power, sometimes there are instances where they need to feel in control and need to feel in power, and those things will happen.
	All men?
	What percentage of men?
	Not all men.
	What percentage of men, though?
	I don't know the exact percentage off the top of my head, but you're kind of, I mean, isn't this just sexist on its face?
	Because you're essentially just pathologizing all men.
	No, I'm not.
	Not all men need to be in the middle of the morning.
	You're saying these men are inclined to violence and SA.
	I'm saying pathologizing men.
	I'm saying that the notions of patriarchy lead to men committing SA and DV at higher rates than women.
	So of course.
	So you say we have a culture, we have an, I mean, I can't use the word, but we have an SA culture.
	Our word culture.
	I've heard this term, right?
	But like, if you look at prison populations, for example, you can be in there for murder, for example, and be just fine.
	If you're in there among the other inmates and you've been accused of some sort of sex crime, you're going to be targeted by criminals for reprisal, for attack, for violence, etc.
	So even among criminals, men who commit sex crimes are, they have to be put in protective custody.
	So even how can you say that we live in a culture where this is deemed as okay when actually it's I think I think a lot of men would actually be prefer prefer to be accused of murder than to be accused of SA?
	What I would argue with that is that we don't live in a culture where it's okay.
	We live in a culture where it's often swept under the rug and it's allowed in very nuanced ways.
	I would argue that, yes, I agree with your point that like most men would rather be convicted of murder than that.
	Yes, but that also you have to realize is that's been a more recent shift within our culture.
	Kind of as recent as feminism has been.
	I was going to say more so recently with the Me Too movement.
	Recently shown or talked about.
	Recently we've seen SA and DV cases been taken much more seriously in recent years.
	So I would argue that treating prison like the prison example that you presented might be a result of that.
	I'm not exactly sure to be honest.
	I think it's okay for me to admit that I don't have this all figured out.
	So let's bring it to DV.
	So you mentioned that women suffer higher rates of DV.
	Yes.
	But Andrew, and perhaps you have the stats on this.
	I've heard you make this argument.
	I'm familiar with these statistics is that I believe when it comes to where the domestic violence is one directional, I believe this is the case.
	When it's one directional, they actually found that women victimized men more than men victimized women.
	When you're using the term victimization, what does that refer to specifically?
	They weren't.
	It refers to unwarranted assaults, unwarranted touching, and unwarranted non-consenting engagements.
	Do you think that's because women have been told that it's not okay for them to come forward at all?
	Do you think it's because of violence against men perpetrated by women?
	Yes, what I'm saying is...
	Not just violence, but also SA.
	Right.
	So the rates of the rights.
	Well, so that you understand, I can explain the position real quick.
	So the rates of SA against men are generally much higher than it is against women.
	It just depends on how we are going to utilize these metrics.
	Women seem to engage in unwanted touching of men far more often than men do of women.
	It's just that men seem to not care as much, which is interesting.
	They just seem to not care as much.
	However, women seem to care a lot more.
	They seem to care a lot more about it.
	However, it's still unwanted, right?
	It's just that nobody cares that men didn't want the unwanted touching.
	They just don't care.
	I don't think it comes down to them knowing.
	So I actually have the statistics here on this.
	I can give you an easy logical example, if you don't believe me.
	If you have ever seen in public, for instance, a man walk over to a woman and maybe just put his hand on her back and rub her back a little bit, that's unwanted touching.
	Okay.
	It's taken seriously.
	People really will hone in on it.
	However, if the role is reversed and a woman does that to a man, nobody gives a shit.
	They don't care.
	I personally don't believe that, but I think the cause of that problem being this big is because of lack of communication.
	What?
	I would try and really think a little deeper into it because it's only committed.
	I'm going to think a little deeper.
	I'll give you an example.
	It's not being communicated with the menu.
	If you go out on the street tomorrow, and I'll say that.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Well, I can't bet because it's YouTube.
	But I would give you, if I was wrong about this, $500 if you were to take Brian and take you out to the street tomorrow.
	Sure.
	And Brian walked over to 50 different women, walked over to them randomly, and just patted them on the back and started rubbing it.
	And then you went over to 50 random men, patted them on the back, and started rubbing their back.
	Which do you think would have a more negative response?
	I mean, it's obvious, but Wait, wait, it's obvious.
	It's obvious.
	Of course, it's going to be.
	Yes, the women.
	You're right.
	I agree with what you're saying.
	I think I'm trying to.
	Aren't both of those essay?
	I'm sorry.
	Yes.
	Yes, it is.
	So how come nobody gives a shit about men?
	Why do they not give a shit about women essaying their women?
	Why do they give a shit about it?
	Because it's not communicated that that is a problem to men.
	They hide that.
	fact and make it seem like I don't know.
	I don't even know why people do that.
	So is it a problem if they communicate?
	So is it not a problem if women don't communicate it?
	So is the communication the issue or is the essay the issue?
	To me, a lot of it does have to do with the communication of that.
	Like you need to be clear about your boundaries.
	And nobody's going to know.
	I'm confused.
	We're talking about total strangers here.
	So hold on, Nick, pull up the infographic.
	Okay.
	You're going to have to move the chat, but so you have here, so there's reciprocal interpartner violence and non-reciprocal interpartner violence.
	So reciprocal, they're both fucking beating on each other.
	Non-reciprocal, that's where one's beating on the other, the other is not reciprocating.
	So they actually found in non-reciprocal interpartner violence that women are much more likely to be the sole aggressor when it comes to domestic violence.
	But let me quickly point out, just to kind of wrap this up, that what you just got done saying would be a thing that you would rage against, which is, well, wait a second.
	You kept it to yourself and you didn't speak up.
	You must have wanted it.
	How would that sound the other direction if a man said to you, you didn't say anything?
	You must have wanted it.
	Yeah, they do.
	That actually does happen.
	That's the whole point.
	You would be against it, right?
	Yeah, but the difference is also, like, when we do try to communicate it, it's not taken seriously, nor is it, it's those things get.
	But I thought the argument we were just having.
	So with men, they make it.
	They're taken far more seriously.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure we voice it a little, at least a little bit more than men, that we don't like certain things.
	That if women SA them and they don't speak up, it's them.
	But if the rules are reversed and women don't speak up, they're a victim.
	No, no, no.
	It's an equal.
	It's an equal.
	Okay, I got it.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm going to bring it back to her.
	So, okay.
	So we were talking about oppression.
	Aside from the two examples that you provided, which it's not clear to me immediately that that's evidence of oppression.
	Is there anything else?
	Of oppression for me.
	Well, you said how you've been oppressed.
	Yeah.
	How I've been oppressed.
	Because you said women are oppressed and I asked how you're oppressed.
	I know that you don't view that as an oppression, as a form of oppression.
	I would argue that personally, those are because they are systemic.
	I know.
	How are they systemic?
	I've explained this a couple times, but it's just the idea that these are...
	So is the government sending out, like...
	Things can be systemic without being related to the government.
	There are systemic processes that occur.
	There are processes that replicate themselves over and over again that have nothing to do with the government.
	So I just showed you, I just showed you data that indicates that when it comes to non-reciprocal fine, but it was from a while ago.
	And domestic violence rates have actually decreased since then.
	I would like to see another source, if I'm being honest, before we go solely based off of one.
	I feel like all.
	Not just domestic.
	But so it's not like.
	So are you saying that women are there's a systemic thing against men when it comes to non-reciprocal interpartner violence?
	Could you repeat the question?
	Well, I mean, using the infographic that I showed, which was a CDC study, it showed that when it came to non-reciprocal interpartner violence, that men were the victims in 70% of cases, which would indicate that in that context, women were much more likely to be the aggressor.
	I think that when you're looking at data like that, you have to realize that women have been told not to come forward with these things.
	The majority of people.
	No, you can make that same argument.
	That data is relying off of solely reported cases.
	It doesn't connect to the money.
	Wait, hold up.
	Do you make the same argument?
	Do you really think?
	Wait, hold up.
	Do you really think men are more likely to come forward with SA cases?
	No, I'm saying that women much less likely.
	So this problem is a problem.
	The statistics are probably worse than what is reported.
	I'm just talking about women solely right now.
	I'm not arguing that.
	Right, but if we're doing a comparison here, you could actually just make the argument that there's actually a like the man will look like a bitch if he goes to the police and is like, my girl hit me, my girl slapped me.
	That's a bad way to, that's a bad way to put it.
	That's the reason it's.
	It's honest.
	Yeah, I don't understand.
	Yeah, that's not supporting.
	That's not supporting a very important thing.
	Most SA is also self-reported from women.
	Okay, if we're talking about the D D V part of the conversation, like I can, I can say that I know a lot of women personally, unfortunately, that have been more violent towards men, and I never condoned it.
	Like that's not okay, obviously.
	But on the other side of the argument, when you were asking her, like, in what areas does that, like, come out where we're oppressed in that sense?
	Like, it's one example I personally can go to straight up is like career-wise in any career.
	If you want to, let's say, even in music, right?
	Taylor Swift.
	If you were to, no, no, no, listen, listen.
	If you were to, if you as a man, you're all to get in the industry, you can make sense of it whenever you want.
	Okay, but, I mean, you're talking about music, but okay, go ahead.
	Yeah, it's in the music industry.
	Like, if I were to enter.
	Women are not succeeding in the music industry.
	Just listen, my love.
	Look, it will take a longer time for me to want to get to a successful part in my career because I have to deal with, and I have, with people like that I have to work with, producers and things like that, that will only present an opportunity to me if there were something extra involved.
	And if that was not.
	We're talking about the casting couch.
	I mean, that's very relevant.
	I mean, I'm not saying it's right, but wouldn't that actually get you in rooms?
	Hold on, let me finish.
	I mean, rooms where I have to do something I don't want to do.
	No, but I'm saying you don't even have to do anything.
	You can just be a young, beautiful, attractive woman, and you can maneuver.
	Stop interrupting.
	You can actually, for me to be able to get in a room with somebody who's really high status, I have to be a somebody.
	As a woman, you can be in a room with a fucking some major musician situation.
	Who's the most famous you've been with?
	Like, been in a room with Rick Rubin.
	But he hasn't personally tried to, he hasn't personally tried to do anything to me.
	But I'm talking about that.
	You had that opportunity just because what?
	If he said if I did something for him type of thing, or what are you doing?
	What is your point?
	That's not what I'm saying.
	What did you have to do?
	Get in that room because I'm a personality.
	I don't have to do anything to get in that movie.
	But if I were to want to get my career taken seriously and not just the, oh, la di da, this is a play date.
	So do the guys.
	No shit.
	Except we can't just walk into a room with somebody.
	We have to work extremely.
	And then when you do, you don't have to also, we have to do the hard work and potentially go through all of those.
	You mean deny it or not?
	I'm not sure if I can do it.
	We have to do the hard work and then we can get an audience and then we have to reprove ourselves.
	No, no, it's not.
	Unless you've been in that.
	No, I can't just go.
	I can't just go to Miami, find the most successful guy there, jump on his yacht just because I'm an attractive dude.
	Any really attractive woman can walk down to a port, show herself off to really successful men, and just jump on their yacht.
	Yeah, that's how you don't get taken seriously, though.
	You have to have all these little loopholes to get there, and then you still might not have to do it.
	Hold on, first off, the entertainment business is incredibly cutthroat.
	This idea that somehow it's an example that I personally have.
	You think anybody gives a fuck whether you're a man or a woman?
	People want to make money point blank, period.
	If you're fucking talented, if you're talented, it has nothing to do with it.
	And in fact, as a woman, you can leverage your beauty to potentially translate into some sort of opportunities.
	And then in addition to that, you're saying, oh, women oppressed.
	Taylor Swift is like the highest earnings.
	That is the best example you can give.
	But this idea that women can't pretty much any history that capitalized real life experiences like more than dozens.
	What are you even talking about?
	I don't know what.
	Okay, I gotta bring it back.
	I gotta bring it back.
	Examples of oppression.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, I just want to ask.
	I think the instance that you provided of like, okay, a woman can go and capitalize on her beauty.
	Yeah, that can totally happen, right?
	What can only take you so far?
	I have like a sub-question to go with that, and I want to hear your honest opinion.
	What percentage of women do you think are beautiful enough to get that privilege?
	Is it the majority of women or is it the minority?
	Chicks are gay.
	Yeah, but that person.
	I'm just genuinely curious.
	There's nothing wrong with seriously.
	Yeah, no, I think I don't know if I would give a percentage of it.
	Probably like 40% of women probably do it.
	Could reach that level of like use their beauty to stick their foot in the door to be able to get opportunities.
	Yeah, I definitely think so.
	It sounds like a movie version of the problem.
	No, I know.
	Okay, hold up, hold up.
	How do you think OnlyFans is blown up?
	That's like a whole other funding.
	Women who are 40% of the pop, 40% of the highest, I guess, attractiveness of women can jump on a random website and make hundreds of thousands of dollars.
	Beauty gets you a whole lot in this culture.
	In OnlyFans, sure.
	No, any energy.
	Taken seriously and like, oh, you're talented, and then not go through a group of people that pretend like they're going to facilitate your career or whatever and not try to abuse their power.
	No, beauty gets you a whole lot in pretty much any industry.
	But not to that extent.
	All right.
	I'm going to have to.
	If we were to assume for a second that it was only 5%, only 5%, you could agree at least that 5% of women could possibly go that route with beauty, right?
	Maybe not as high as 40%.
	Maybe 5.
	I don't know.
	Maybe, possibly, but still not without zero.
	Not without zero encounters of the type that I'm talking about.
	I got to move on.
	I do have to move on.
	do you want to make your final point andrew or i mean it's this yeah well i mean i was just going to grant it and say well even if it even if it was an abysmally low number who could leverage beauty for gain um let's say five percent three percent even two percent it wouldn't matter That wouldn't mean that women who rated themselves as a 10 and had a high esteem of their beauty might not still follow that route thinking that they would be part of a percentile that they actually weren't.
	Okay, great.
	That still doesn't at all make me believe that you at least try to understand that this is a very real and possible thing and version of oppression that we're talking about.
	So, okay, women are oppressed in the music industry?
	Sure, if that's what you want to fucking chalk it down to, that's all it is.
	That's not all it is.
	That's just the personal, that's something that I can really speak on without having to research it and like look at statistics.
	This is something from that I've experienced myself.
	Women are just oppressed in the no, not all women, not every woman around the fucking world, not every woman in the music industry in a lot of fields of work.
	Wait, so you're a musician, right?
	You're a musician?
	I also, yes, do music.
	Okay, and so you think you haven't been able to make it in the music industry because you're a woman?
	No, no.
	So what's the matter?
	Not that I've had to go through being potentially in really unpleasant situations in order to get producers that want to hit.
	Yeah, and they're going to, yeah, I can.
	What about photographers?
	As a model, they all, it's not, this isn't, it's, yeah, not just like, oh, I'm good looking and I just like a piece of fucking cake, you know?
	Hollywood has a terrible representation.
	Yeah, but the casting capitalists.
	That's the only representative I can give because that's what I know.
	Okay, cool.
	So I get that.
	But it goes across the board with other people.
	I do have to move it on back to you.
	Name one right a man has that you do not.
	One right?
	Okay, so I think there's a difference in okay, here's my view of feminism, right?
	Because I think that what you're referring to is like suffrage.
	I think that women and men do have equal rights.
	I still think that you can have equal rights, but due to systemic factors, experience different forms of discrimination, right?
	So I would argue that women and men have all the same rights, but there are added forms of discrimination that you face as a woman that you wouldn't face as a woman.
	Such as getting cat called, getting paid less.
	And I know we were talking about the gender pay gap earlier, but on average, like statistically speaking, women with the same amount of experience, same amount of education, when all those factors are leveled out, women are still paid less, though.
	They are in that sense.
	If you actually control for everything, there is a small discrepancy.
	It's less than 1%.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's not the sources that I have seen.
	I would like to look at the pressure.
	There's a pay scale, Nick.
	There should be a pay scale source.
	It's not really.
	Hold on.
	Where is it?
	Nick, just do Google PayScale.
	It's a website.
	Pay scale wage gap.
	2024 gender pay gap report.
	Pay scale.
	Trying to find.
	And what do you say about, for example, that Asian women outearn white men?
	What do you think about that?
	Asian women out-earn white men.
	Can I see the statistics on that before I speak on it?
	I can pull it up, Nick.
	There's an infographic wage folder.
	There's a couple things on Asian women.
	So Asian women are outearning white men.
	Is this perhaps evidence of sexism or even racism against white men?
	Can I see the statistics before I speak on this?
	Why don't you just assume that it's correct?
	I don't want to.
	I don't want to right now.
	Can you say that one more time?
	Okay.
	So the Bureau, the source is the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
	Okay.
	I could pull up the specific infographic that would show this, but Asian women are out earning white men.
	Okay.
	Is that like in a specific job, or is that just in general?
	Full-time workers, full-time workers.
	So is this leveled out for things like years of experience and education, or is this just on average population-wise?
	Just on average, population-wise.
	Asian women versus white men.
	Well, I feel like I would need a more detailed study in order to give an accurate take on this, but I'll provide two factors why I think this could be.
	One, there is a stereotype that Asian women are more educated.
	There is a great pressure on them to be educated.
	I think that there's two factors that could explain this, and it could just be that they have more years of experience or greater levels of education, like more advanced degrees.
	Since we don't have a study that accounts for those variables, I don't think I could accurately speak on this.
	Nick, but you don't know if we have a study that accounts for those.
	There's a blue and a red.
	I'm saying I haven't seen it.
	Thing that you can see is that.
	It could very well have taken bias as a variable.
	I mean, bias is included in sociological studies like this all the time as being a variable.
	In fact, that's why we end up with name studies and things like this.
	It's blue and my kind of pushback on that would be to ask as a counter.
	If you were to say, well, this could be due to the fact that there's bias due to a stereotype, and because employers believe that Asian women are more educated, they tend to hire them at the same rate that they do men.
	is your kind of essential argument, right?
	You could also just, oh, go ahead.
	No, it's okay.
	I didn't mean to cut you off.
	You can finish.
	Is that your essential argument?
	I am not arguing that there's a stereotype.
	I'm arguing that I have not seen the results of this study.
	I've not read it in depth.
	I don't know.
	Okay, let me rephrase.
	Not your argument, but when you give a, it could be due to this variable.
	The variable that you're saying it could be due to would be the fact that a stereotype provides Asian women with an advantage other women don't have because then during hiring practices, because that stereotype exists, they're going to pay them the same as men because they believe that they're just as educated or something like this, right?
	I'm not arguing that it's not necessarily to have higher levels.
	Years of experience and on average higher levels of education.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So this is the gender pay gap in 2024.
	This is pay scale.
	This is actually, I believe, a liberal leaning company.
	So, okay, this is not like they're not trying to gaslight you here.
	The uncontrolled gender pay gap, this is opportunity pay gap, measures median salary for all men and all women.
	Doesn't factor in your job, how many hours worked, etc.
	So 83 cents for every $1 earned by men.
	Controlled gender pay gap, this measures median salary for men and women with the same job and qualifications.
	Women earn 99 cents for every $1 earned by men.
	So that is the controlled pay gap.
	Okay.
	Do you think this is dubious?
	Do you think it's wrong?
	It's actually more?
	I would say that source, no, I don't think that is wrong.
	I would like to see multiple.
	I feel like with any field, you should be looking at different sources of data, but I'm not going to try and argue with that one source.
	Okay, so you also really quick on the wage gap stuff, sports, do you think, for example, WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players?
	I think it should be going off of things such as number of attendance, number of views, years of experience.
	Do I think that WA members should be getting more respect?
	Yeah, I think they should.
	I think they work hard, and I think that they do deserve more respect, but that's not necessarily about compensation, if that makes sense.
	And then, so you were kind of listing off the ways in which I asked you about rights.
	You said men and women have equal rights, but women are discriminated in various ways in which men are not.
	So what are some of the other ways they're discriminated against?
	I would say in the forms of like unpaid labor, the way that they're discriminated against in the medical field, like women are believed on average to have higher pain tolerances.
	They are not taken as seriously by doctors, so a lot of medical conditions will go undiagnosed at a greater rate of women than men.
	And because of this, women don't, on average, women don't receive the same medical care as men.
	Those are just a few other things.
	Don't women receive more medical care than men?
	They don't.
	It's the quality that I'm arguing.
	The quality.
	So a woman steps into a doctor's office, a man steps into the doctor's office, there will be a the medical care will be worse for the woman by virtue of her being a woman.
	I would argue that her concerns would not be taken as seriously as a man, and it would, on average, take her longer to receive a proper diagnosis.
	I believe women go to the doctors more often than men.
	Do you think maybe that's why I agree with that?
	No, I think that could definitely be a point.
	Yeah.
	Most men I've familiar with trait neuroticism?
	No, I'm not.
	Okay.
	So, well, if you're not, do you think men or women tend to be more neurotic?
	That's pretty equal.
	Yeah, I would say it's pretty equal.
	Well, I mean, they've done, I mean, psychologists have done.
	Yeah, but you're asking me what I think.
	They've done personality tests, they've done studies, and women rank higher in trait and neuroticism.
	Okay.
	Again, yeah, that's all I would say.
	Do you want me to say something?
	Do you have a question?
	Well, so, I mean, you're saying that women are less likely to get good treatment in medical context, but women overwhelmingly receive, like, I think when it comes to, what's it called?
	The like the tax burden when it comes to medical care, women take out way more from the tax system than do men, at least from a healthcare perspective.
	Isn't I mean.
	Do you want me to, what are you, what's your argument here?
	Well, you're saying that women get poorer health care, but if they get more health care than men, wouldn't that counter your do you think quantity automatically translates to not necessarily not necessarily, but I mean, men tend to take less from health care.
	Can I provide just with one example?
	I personally, and I'll make it quick because I know it's late, everyone's tired.
	One of my friends recently saw the doctor probably around 10 times.
	Like you said, women visiting the doctor more on average.
	I think that's true.
	I don't disagree with that.
	She saw the doctor around 10 times.
	She is a very, she found out that she has a condition that doesn't allow her to digest food properly.
	She went through so many tests, so many different scans, everything.
	She saw multiple different specialists.
	She had to do a bunch of different processes in order to get this diagnosed, a lot of different testing.
	In order for her to do this, though, she felt like shift symptoms were being dismissed by doctors.
	They weren't being taken as seriously.
	She felt that way.
	Do you have any actual evidence that they were?
	Yes, I actually do.
	Because in one instance, and this is just one example.
	I'm not trying to speak on, like, I'm just providing one example.
	I don't want this to be taken as like over-generalization.
	I'm just speaking from personal experience right now.
	Or my friends.
	There was one instance where a doctor sent her a copy of her x-ray and she actually had to point out something on the x-ray that was irregular and the doctor overlooked it.
	And she said, hey, but because she's he overlooked it because she's a woman.
	She, the doctor's a woman.
	Okay, the doct.
	Did I specify the gender of the.
	You said he.
	I was just.
	Yeah, you said he, as in the doctor, the doctor was a woman.
	Okay.
	So did the female doctor overlook it because she's a woman?
	I can't say for sure, but I just don't.
	I'm just saying, I'm not saying causation exporation.
	I can speak on the x-ray thing.
	Okay.
	X-rays are notoriously difficult to read.
	I mean, studies have been done.
	Like, if you give the same 50 doctors the exact same x-ray, all 50 of them come out with a different diagnosis.
	So it's not that I have a really difficult time believing that the medical industry is inherently biased against women.
	One example I could think of for why it's perceived that way is a lot of this data has to be just personal accounts, personal feeling from the patients themselves.
	Generally speaking, if I were to take a wild guess, I would say men probably are going to complain about their care a little less than women will.
	And pursue medical attention in general.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So the statistics would be skewed towards women suggesting they get less adequate care than men because men probably just won't care as much as women will.
	So that could easily explain why it seems like the healthcare system is more biased towards men than it is women.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and I think that you're – I agree with parts of your argument.
	I do.
	I think that you've made a lot of valid points tonight.
	Yeah.
	I'm just still trying to hear something where women are discriminated against.
	I mean, okay, what about the just in the long hundreds of years ago when like psychology was like first like starting and how like easily women would get committed for things that were called hysteria?
	I guess I would want to see the rates at which women weren't.
	I mean you could just be sad.
	You could just be sad and then get tossed in a crazy loony.
	Well usually female hysteria was treated with masturbation.
	Yeah, and also electroshock, things like that.
	Yeah, but you're not going to necessarily need that.
	The committal was due to other factors generally, not due to hysteria.
	So the thing is, with what you consider hysteria, that's a specific thing, right?
	Yeah, I get that.
	But that was like my example of saying that that was things like just sadness or depression that could be cured by not having to be sent to a loony bin and getting more crazier.
	Men weren't that clear.
	That started that whole idea of what you guys were touching on earlier.
	Just like Andrew just said, it's selective.
	You're choosing which anecdotes to pay attention to and choosing which ones to not pay attention to.
	Men also suffered from being thrown in loony bins for less than ideal reasons.
	So it's not an evidence of the patriarchy hurting, oppressing women in particular.
	It's just saying that a long time ago when technology wasn't as good and people weren't as knowledgeable about these things, people got shafted.
	And none of those things happened.
	And it doesn't matter whether it's a woman or a man.
	It just happens because people weren't as smart.
	Yeah, but none of those ideas at all got like passed down generationally, a little bit by bit, turned into whatever version is.
	None of that, none of this is as deep as it was.
	Yeah, none of that is based on sexism, though.
	None of it's based on patriarchy.
	It's just based on we weren't medically as adept.
	Therefore, men and women got the raw deal.
	I mean, it was mostly husbands of women, like, that would send them.
	I would want to see rates of men.
	You've got to be pulling this shit out.
	Yeah, there's like no way.
	I don't know, like, essentially, it just sounds like...
	There is some truth to the fact that there was a larger committal of women generally than men into a lot of these psychiatric hospitals.
	However, try to remember that psychology itself is a soft science.
	And at the point in time that you're talking about, it was literally pseudo-scientific.
	They were giving people lobotomies.
	They were poking holes in their head.
	They were doing all sorts of immoral experimentation.
	But generally, it was not husbands who were doing, you know, kind of these overtly committals.
	This was women who were considered the leftovers.
	So these were women who outcasted or no, no.
	They used to have houses for women.
	They were basically halfway houses for women who got pregnant out of marriage, things like this.
	They were kind of the dregs of society.
	And they would be mostly pulled from them because a lot of them actually were mentally ill.
	And yeah, a lot of them did get experimented on.
	That's true.
	But this is, again, I'm no fan of psychology and no fan of psychiatry.
	I think that it's a pseudo-scientific pursuit.
	Okay, so back to you.
	So I still really haven't heard anything compelling when it comes to women discriminated against.
	I would say that I provided you with the examples that first come to mind for me.
	Those are the biggest ones, in my opinion.
	I know that you've pulled up data that disproves that.
	I understand that, right?
	Well, so, yeah, there's the wage gap, there's the healthcare thing.
	I mean, couldn't I just, you know, because feminism is a game of comparison, men are privileged, women aren't.
	Men are oppressors, women are oppressed.
	Men have more rights.
	That is feminism.
	It is comparing men to women.
	Hold on.
	So I could just return back to you.
	I'll just engage you on the healthcare thing.
	Let's talk about healthcare.
	Upon birth, men have their genitals mutilated.
	Healthcare, right?
	Secondly, if you look at who the cohort of people where experimental medications, experimental procedures are a test on, this is overwhelmingly men.
	And feminists will actually turn this around and say, for example, well, all these experimental procedures, they're tested on men so men fare better.
	But it's not clear to me if it's some sort of male privilege or advantage for you as a man to be, a lot of these men are paid for this.
	Wouldn't that actually be evidence of men faring worse that they are resorting to having experimental drugs and having experimental procedures done on them for money?
	Because they're so desperate for money.
	You can experiment medically on me.
	So given the case that, for example, just those two examples I gave you, that there's male genital mutilation on most men in this country upon birth, excuse me, most boys, and that there's the, in terms of the in terms of the distribution, there's much more men who are experimented on medically than women.
	So couldn't I just turn that around on you and saying when it comes to health care that men actually have these specific negative health outcomes?
	Yeah, I think that that's a valid point that you raised.
	When we're looking at genital mutilation, that occurs within the U.S. mainly, right?
	I don't, it's not.
	It happens in some other countries, though.
	It does.
	But the majority of it is occurring in the U.S.
	I would say that that could be explained by that.
	It's a cultural thing within the U.S. and it's a preference within the U.S. If you look at Europe, for example, they don't have genital mutilation at the same rates as the U.S. population of the United States.
	I don't know.
	Over.
	It's roughly 50-50.
	I'm not sure.
	I don't know the male population.
	Okay, so it's over, what is it, 160 million?
	Okay, let's just assume that most of those men, maybe 80, 90% of those men had a circumcision.
	Okay.
	So that's a lot of men.
	But that's women's fault.
	I'm not saying it's women's fault.
	Actually, it's like a bias because, I mean, you know what I mean?
	It's like.
	Why are you coming in with the framework that it's either men or women's fault?
	Maybe it's just coming out of the paper.
	No, We're not making that.
	I'm actually, yeah, I'm not attributing fault.
	I'm just saying if we're talking about these negative outcomes impact this group of people, that's what I'm talking about.
	So, I mean, would you agree with me that circumcision is actually a gendered issue?
	I would argue that circumcision specifically would be in the case of the U.S. In other instances, female genital mutilation does occur in other third-developed countries.
	It happens in different third-developed countries.
	Not at similar rates.
	Not at similar rates.
	I didn't say that.
	I just said it also occurs to women at different rates.
	I don't think I was making that argument.
	Okay, fine.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	It happens to be a lot of the same rates.
	It's bad for women, too.
	Can you say that it's bad for men?
	I am not incredibly familiar on the practice of genital mutilation for men.
	What do you mean you're not familiar with the practice?
	Like, I know what it is, but I'm not super, super in-depth researched on it, is what I'm trying to say.
	Okay.
	I mean, obviously, nobody's going to be able to do that.
	So do you think that baby boys can't consent to this procedure?
	That's not okay for any gender to have to go through.
	Okay, but if we're talking about the United States, I agree.
	It's not okay for any gender to go through, but I want to make sure we agree on the definition of gendered issue before I make my statement, right?
	You would argue that a gendered issue is something that occurs to one gender at a much, much higher frequency than the other, correct?
	Like, circumcision...
	I'll grant it.
	Sure.
	Yes, like circumcision happens to men at a much higher rate, so therefore it is a gendered issue, right?
	Well, no, no, it doesn't happen to men at a much higher rate.
	It can only happen to men.
	Yeah.
	I mean, how is that?
	Yeah, circumcision specifically, genital mutilation can happen to both genders, right?
	But we're talking about circumcision specifically.
	I'll grant it.
	Yes, then I would say that that specifically is a gendered issue.
	I agree with you on that.
	I do.
	But that has to do with the medical issues men experience more?
	Or it's mostly a religious pastime for circumcision, which was indeed adopted culturally.
	But if you're not familiar with the practice, they cut the foreskin of a baby's penis off, essentially.
	That's what happens.
	And in a lot of cases, the downside of that is less sensation or things like that, like have that I've read up on and have.
	But what is that?
	Like the relevant.
	Men overwhelmingly experience this.
	They can't consent to it.
	It happens to them when they're children.
	And it seems that as far as issues go, if truly feminism was about equally attacking these types of issues, which exist, Which are left on us by the patriarchy.
	Certainly, gender mutilation of men would be one thing, but you never really hear feminists talk about it at all.
	There's no policy prescriptions whatsoever, which is ever advocated by them towards men.
	They seem to just not give a shit.
	Because aren't the fathers also involved in that decision?
	Mothers.
	Well, the thing is, this is interesting.
	As single motherhood has been on the climb, guess what?
	Circumcision still stays at about the same rate.
	And so, no, mothers are every bit as responsible for this as fathers.
	Yeah, I would.
	That's also, I don't know the specific statistics on this, but I think it's OBGYNs who perform the circumcision, and OBGYNs are predominantly, I think, predominantly women.
	I would agree.
	I think they are, yeah.
	And they're probably advocating if their patient comes to them, well, should I have my male child circumcised?
	They will probably make a recommendation for circumcision.
	Yeah, and I think that too.
	But I'm not actually trying to do that.
	I'm not actually even trying to point the finger at men at women.
	I'm just saying this is a negative outcome that impacts men.
	I misunderstood that.
	But I don't want to linger on the circumcision for too long, but I'm still, again, when it comes to discrimination, I've not really heard a compelling argument.
	And I'll just actually, I'll just show my cards.
	I actually think men have been more oppressed than women.
	Okay.
	Historically and currently.
	Can I say one more thing about that?
	No, I'd actually like her to respond to my statement here.
	I want to know why you think that.
	I'm curious about your perspective.
	Yeah, so I could list a whole bunch of things.
	I could talk about the self-deletion rate, homelessness.
	Men are much more, much less likely to go to college.
	I'm trying to think what are some of the, I mean, there's the circumcision thing.
	That's very big, but I'm actually going to hyper-focus and zero in on just one sole male grievance.
	And that comes down to, and I actually think that this one, any sort of feminist argument is dead on arrival when it comes to, at least from a comparison perspective.
	So forced military conscription throughout history and current day, I think is a bigger grievance that's for most of human history, nearly exclusively has been placed on men, is a far bigger grievance, gender grievance, than really, I would argue, all of women's collective grievances combined.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So I mean, I'd be open to hearing you actually articulate one female grievance that's greater than forced military conscription.
	In fact, you can have three.
	You can combine three and we'll just add them up.
	Just add them up.
	Sure.
	okay and are we talking like present day but we're talking historical right now too yeah Yeah.
	Okay. Okay.
	I would argue the exclusion of women voting, forced marriages, and exclusion from like education historically.
	Okay, so I should have just stuck to one.
	But if, okay, if you had to pick, I can actually, I'll tackle all three, but if you had to pick one, would it be voting?
	It would be, I think it's really hard to compare these because.
	But that's the game of feminism.
	Women have it worse than men.
	That is feminism.
	I think that we have two different definitions of feminism personally.
	What's your definition?
	My definition of feminism is reaching a point where men and women can see each other's perspectives and work towards solutions that benefit both of us.
	That's my personal definition of feminism.
	I know it's not everyone's, but.
	But you're, I mean, you said you're taking feminist classes, this whole patriarchy theory thing.
	I mean, doesn't that immediately paint men in the negative light?
	Not in all instances.
	No, I would honestly say that, and I'm speaking truthfully here.
	A lot of instances in my feminist classes, we have learned how toxic masculinity also like hurts men, and it does.
	I agree with your points that toxic masculinity, or I don't know if that's what you are arguing.
	Well, I don't really, I don't actually even believe in that.
	Okay, but you're arguing.
	I don't believe that you can just be toxic as an individual, but I don't believe that masculinity is toxic or that femininity is toxic.
	Okay.
	I would argue, personally, from my perspective, I know we don't see eye to eye on this, but I'm just trying to shed light on mine.
	I would say that, personally, like, I feel like my personal view of feminism does not discount the issues that men have faced.
	When I...
	Well, of course it does.
	No, it doesn't.
	Can you state to me any instance where feminism or a feminist organization has ever advocated for men in some capacity?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	There's this one example of a project.
	It's called What Prisoners Taught Me About Feminism, right?
	It's taught by this one man, Richie Useta.
	He is an inmate at a prison, right?
	He was taught bell hooks feminist theory really early on from a young age.
	He taught feminist theory to his prison inmates, and he was able to teach them how, through feminist theory, had toxic masculinity, they had been, I'm trying to put this into words.
	It basically taught, he taught them feminist theory, and they learned that a lot of their actions were being influenced by toxic masculinity, and a lot of their actions had led them to the decisions that they had met today, like ended up in prison essentially.
	Through learning about feminism, he taught them how to just have a more well-grounded perspective and include the perspectives of both men and women.
	And it reframed a lot of their thinking.
	And I think that is one example of a feminist project.
	So that doesn't seem to be advocacy or like helping men really.
	Like you can point to a prison.
	How many men were in this program?
	I'm not exactly sure.
	A couple dozen men?
	Probably more than that.
	So I'm looking, I'm thinking more, I was hoping for something more wide scale, more wide scale.
	Like mass movement.
	I agree that there needs to be more.
	I'm not discounting that.
	That's why I have such a hard time.
	Feminists don't care about men's issues.
	I wouldn't necessarily use that type of a blanket statement because from the feminists that I have personally met, I just don't agree with that.
	And that's me speaking on personal experience.
	And it's okay if we don't align on that.
	In fact, I would actually go even further to say that where some form of actual equality between men and women could be achieved or some benefit to men could be actually achieved, women will actually, I shouldn't say women, feminists will fight against it.
	So for example, in Florida, this is pretty recent, there was a feminist organization, I believe it was called, I believe it's called now, the National Organization for Women.
	There was something to equalize custody between men and women.
	If there's a, it should be assumed that there should be a 50-50 split in custody in Florida.
	And feminist organizations actually fought against it, even though that would provide equality between men and women.
	Furthermore, Brian, sorry to cut you off.
	I got to get going.
	I got an engagement early in the morning.
	Of course, thank you.
	Thank you for having me on, guys.
	I really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it, Andrew.
	Hope you have a good night.
	Yep, thank you.
	It was nice to meet you all.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	It's spirited back and forth.
	Mason, nice to see you again, man.
	Good to see you.
	Good to see you.
	Have good night, Andrew, guys.
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	Okay, you can hide that, Nick.
	Also, Brian, to add on that, I also think that's we're going to wrap soon.
	Trust, trust me.
	Okay, so I guess going back to what I was saying, so feminists will fight against a form of equality if that equality in some conceivable way could come at the detriment of women.
	I think that in that example, yes, I can see your point in that.
	My personal experiences, though, have not proven that.
	Okay.
	Well, I guess, so if you since feminism has progressed since, let's just say the 50s, 60s, I think that's about when those topics were addressed.
	Or the term feminism was coined.
	Since those, I guess, thoughts, since their inception, the natural progression of feminism has led to the point where they do not care about men's rights or they will actually actively oppose men's rights because that's a natural progression of feminism.
	Now, I understand that your position, that your idea of feminism is not exactly that, but feminism now and ideas in the past that have been opposed naturally lead to the point where it's either men or women.
	It's men against women.
	So I just don't see, I don't see how feminism actually provides solutions that bring people together.
	It always seems to tear societies apart.
	Can I provide like a little bit of my take on the situation?
	Okay.
	Okay, so in the past, like I forget exactly when the term was coined, but it was coined relatively recently, I want to say around 10 to 20 years ago.
	But the term of the, there's a subsection of feminism called intersectional feminism, right?
	And it takes into account the multiple identity factors of women and how this influences their experience as women, right?
	Before this, a lot of times women of color and white women were kind of pitted against each other.
	It was not productive for the movement as a whole, right?
	I would argue that a lot of women who consider themselves feminists are in a deep place of hurt from their experiences with men.
	I have been in a deep place of hurt from experiences with men.
	I have been the type of person to be like, oh, I don't want to work with them.
	I don't trust them, whatever.
	And it's taken me a long place to get to the point where I don't think gender equality can be achieved solely based with women.
	I think that it does require men and women working together, of course.
	I think that sorry, my bad.
	No, you're good.
	Go for it.
	I think that because a lot of women are in a place of hurt, it's hard for them to even open up to the possibility of working with men or considering the experiences of men as well.
	And I can't say I'm for sure on this, but I really hope that at one point more people can realize that the only way for social change is through collective action in the majority.
	And because, like, majority of the population can't just be like, if you want social, like all social movements in the past, like civil rights, like anything regarding that, has been when the majority of the population adopts it finally, and that's when it's been able to actually see progress.
	I think that feminism will truly see progress when men and women can work together, right?
	But I think that a lot of women are just at a place of hurt where they're not.
	Okay, What it's supposed to be like what it well, so even the way you framed it right there, you've had terrible experiences with men, therefore we need to address societal issues that involve men.
	No.
	Well, okay, not necessarily.
	The same thing can be said about men and men in their experiences with women.
	I know guys, well, I know, I have buddies in particular who have been absolutely, their lives have been destroyed by women.
	So their experiences should be discounted.
	Yeah, no, agreed.
	So instead of, I don't, I just don't see any progress that can be made.
	I don't see any progress that can be made if the aggressiveness of the no, no, no, no.
	I'm saying I don't see how any progress can be made if the if the movement is based upon this other it's yeah, it's us versus them.
	So when it comes down to feminism, it is very much we are being oppressed by male, like a male-dominated culture.
	Therefore, we need to combat that male-dominated culture to achieve some kind of equality.
	I don't think that brings about any kind of unison or unity.
	Sorry.
	That's not, that's, I agree fully, and I don't know if like what I'm saying is coming across.
	I don't know why that's fucking funny.
	But that's literally what we've been trying to say is when it's equal.
	I agree with your point that the us versus them mentality isn't productive because it never is.
	Like I truly think that's the antithesis.
	That is the genesis.
	That is the genesis of feminism.
	Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's not.
	Men have it better.
	We're oppressed.
	Women are oppressed.
	Men are the oppressors.
	Patriarchy theory.
	It doesn't mean I guess what's the end goal of feminism?
	Okay, well, the thing.
	It's a true feminism.
	So I can engage with this.
	So if it really is equality, then we're trying to achieve something that's impossible because men and women are not equal.
	Okay, okay.
	Well, let's think about this.
	Let's think about this.
	Okay.
	Okay, I just want to complete my thought.
	If we're going to think about this logically, there is no way that men and women can be perfectly equal.
	Take strength.
	Men are always going to be stronger than women.
	Take childbirth.
	Men will never be able to birth children.
	Then we're doomed forever.
	Why are we trying to stop?
	I'm trying to explain to you why men and women can never be equal.
	So instead of trying to force equality down people's throats when it can't be achieved, we realize, okay, there's going to be certain struggles that men face.
	There are going to be certain struggles that women face.
	But we have to figure out, we have to be able to provide rights and freedoms that are equally available to all.
	Okay.
	What rights are you saying?
	No, I'm not saying what you're saying.
	What rights and freedoms are given to men but not women?
	That's all I'm saying.
	If we have that, so if we have that, okay, if we have that, then why are we focusing on this issue that's not there?
	If women have the freedoms that men do, they have the same rights and freedoms that men do.
	Why are we pointing at something that doesn't exist?
	Okay, so if we really wanted to bring people together, if we really wanted to bring men and women together, instead of demonizing one sex over the other, maybe we should just realize that it's not, that the issue is not there.
	There is not an issue when it comes to men versus women in rights and freedoms.
	I don't know how many more ways I can say it that like I'm agreeing with you, but it's an out like the view of feminism currently is still as if it was the same view as it was when it first started.
	Yes, regardless.
	It's outdated.
	I've given my point.
	I've given my point of view.
	I'll bring it back because we kind of derailed a little bit here.
	So I made the argument that I think men have been more oppressed than women.
	Okay.
	I'm not really, I'm more so talking to you.
	I mean, do you disagree?
	I disagree with your argument, but I can understand how you came to reach your argument.
	Like, I understand your point of view, but I don't agree with it.
	So I would assume then that your position is women have been more oppressed than men.
	I've discussed this at length, and I'd like us to move to a different question.
	I feel like our debate is kind of getting into the area of like beating a dead horse, and I feel like we've been.
	Well, no, I mean, I haven't really made my case, but then you can make your case.
	Okay, so I still would like an answer from you on this, though.
	So if you're saying that my position is wrong, essentially, you're saying you understand how I feel, then your position surely must be that women have been and are more oppressed than men.
	I have tried explaining my position, and I just.
	Right, so I'm just asking for an answer.
	I have tried, I've given you an answer in the past, and you have done these things.
	You've shown me how men face different forms of discrimination, right?
	And I'd like us to move to a different subject, if that's possible.
	Well, I haven't been able to really lay out my own position on this.
	Okay, then lay it out, and instead of asking me to answer a question, I'll listen.
	Well, that's the nature of this conversation.
	I'm asking you questions.
	I have answered a lot of questions, and I'm really getting tired, if I'm being honest.
	I'm not at the.
	So I can actually make my argument, though, but you have to at least engage.
	If you actually just answer the question, I'd be able to move it on a little faster.
	Can we please move on to a different question?
	Well, we haven't finished the conversation at hand.
	Does the conversation need to have a natural end?
	I want to move on to a different question.
	Well, I mean, this is really the last thing I want to talk about.
	So, I mean, that's the final thing.
	Okay.
	So, there's not really anything I want to move it on to.
	Like, I want to have this conversation.
	We've got to wrap the show up.
	It's already late.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, okay.
	So I guess adding on.
	Well, so.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	You want to go ahead?
	All right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So if we're, we can go back and forth and play this oppression Olympics until we're all all dead and buried.
	It doesn't matter because nature has dictated that, again, I'm going to say it, men and women are different.
	Therefore, men's struggles are going to be different than women's struggles.
	I don't even think we're.
	I don't even think Brian and I are saying that it's like it's inappropriate that men have been oppressed more than women in history.
	I think because men have the, I guess, the overwhelming responsibility to take leadership because of physical characteristics, because of how men act, what their natural proclivities are, because we have more responsibility to do these things, the punishment for shirking those responsibilities or the consequences of failing in those tasks are going to be, I guess,
	disproportionately efficacious towards men instead of women.
	So I don't think we, I don't know what Brian's point would say about this, but I'm not saying that like it's it's wrong that men are more oppressed by the by nature or have been more oppressed.
	I just think it's a matter of reality, and it's not going to change no matter how much we want to argue against it.
	Well, I have a question to bring it back to my point.
	Do you think women should be subject to military conscription, the draft?
	I don't know.
	I think that's a more complex question than I want to answer right now.
	I don't know.
	If I told you that men are subject to forced military conscription, they are actually, I think now, are automatically registered.
	I don't know if it's passed.
	No, once you turn 18, you're automatically.
	It's now, is it fully passed?
	Because I think it had to go through, it was got through the house, but it has to go to the.
	In any case, men are solely subjects of, you know, they have to register for the draft.
	And in the event of a draft, they would be the solely subject to forced military conscription.
	Given that, do you think that women, it should be equalized between men and women?
	If I'm being honest, I don't think that men should even be drafted into the military in this sense.
	Okay.
	That's my personal opinion.
	So, but the current status quo is that they are.
	And assuming that we'll never be able to do away with a draft, would your push is your position or is your position that women should also be drafted?
	Yeah, probably.
	I do agree with that, yeah.
	Okay, so you're fine with women being drafted.
	Okay.
	But you don't really hear, you know, it would be in furtherance of equality, but you typically don't hear feminists arguing that women should be subject to the draft.
	When I'm arguing for feminism, I know we talk a lot about equality.
	I think it's more of a question of equity.
	Because like you're describing, I agree with you that the discrimination that men and women experience is different.
	Like I agree with you on that.
	And I think in order to remedy that, equality is not the solution.
	It's equity.
	And it's more specific nuanced solutions.
	What do you mean by equity?
	Equity, it's essentially just accounting for the fact that people based on various identity factors have different experiences, right?
	Like you have, you face different, it's like you face discrimination in a way that I don't, right?
	We could agree on that, right?
	So that way, in order for us to, for the playing field to be like more leveled, and I hate using that term, the solutions are going to be different.
	Like I think you agree with that, don't you?
	That the wait, so then are you making an equity argument against the draft?
	Well, okay, so I guess my understanding of equity is so equal, it sounds like what you're saying is my understanding of equality, where everyone has the same starting point.
	And what you do depends.
	So how far you get is dependent upon what you do.
	And my understanding of equity is that people's starting position will be different so that everybody will end up at the same place.
	So everyone's essentially it's equality of outcome versus equality of opportunity.
	Equality of outcome being equity and equality of opportunity being equal to 10.
	So when it comes to military conscription, what would be equity?
	The current status quo?
	I think it would also have to address the fact that men have been subjected to being drafted.
	And like, like you're saying, facing forms of discrimination that are different.
	That is a form.
	That's just an experience that men have had that women have had.
	I mean, are men stronger?
	Finish your statement.
	Finish your statement.
	The solution would need to take that into account, is what I'm saying.
	So you're saying it should be women would then be overrepresented.
	No, not necessarily.
	If I'm being honest, I'm a 21-year-old college student.
	I do not have the answer to this question.
	I do not.
	I don't truly think there is a right or wrong answer.
	I think it depends on your personality.
	There's not a right or wrong answer.
	In my view, I do not have a singular answer to this question right now.
	I do not.
	But I mean, if you're a feminist and you believe in equality, wouldn't it occur to you that the equal thing would be both men and women should be subject to forced military conscription in the event of a draft?
	I'm not sure.
	So if you hold an equality of outcome as your, this is something we should strive for.
	So in the event of a draft, the outcome would be people, regardless of sex, being forced to be put into the military.
	Now, if we include sex into that argument, then to achieve equality of outcome, an equal amount of men and an equal amount of women would have to be forced to join the military.
	So you would be for that because you hold the value that equality of outcome should be pursued.
	I think you guys raise interesting points.
	I would need more information, more time to process and just research on my own in order to form a singular answer myself.
	And I'm sorry if that's not satisfying to you guys.
	I guess I'm just confused.
	I mean, it would occur to me that if feminism is about equality, and here's a way in which men and women are not equal, and it could be legislated fairly simply to just say women get the same treatment as men and would be subject to forced military conscription in the event of a draft.
	They would have to register for the draft the same way men do.
	They would face the same consequences that men do when they don't register for the selective service.
	It's just, I can't, I don't understand how as a feminist and someone who's in favor of equality, your knee-jerk reaction isn't to just say, yes, that would be equality.
	I'm in favor of equality.
	I think that women, and I said earlier that I think that, yes, this is an issue that needs to be remedied.
	It probably is including that in some sense, but I don't have an answer in the fact that like the equity versus equality distinction, I would need more time in order to form that opinion.
	See, it's so, I mean.
	I feel like I keep repeating myself, and I feel like this isn't going anywhere if I'm being honest.
	I have a quick question, if I'm allowed to talk about that.
	Well, I'm trying to, I guess I'm trying to walk you to.
	You believe in equality.
	You're a feminist.
	How would it not be equality for both men and women to be both equally subject to forced military conscription in the event of a draft?
	Are you saying that would not be equality?
	I'm saying that it's an could you just agree that it would be an equal outcome if a draft were to happen and if we were talking about equality among the sexes would it not be just take out all of the social political charge that comes with it.
	Would it just not be equal in the outcome if men and women both got military conscription?
	It would be equal in the outcome.
	There you go.
	Can't remove the social charge.
	It's not how the world is.
	I'm sorry, the social what?
	You can't.
	You're asking me to remove the layers of the.
	What layers?
	I don't want to get into this right now.
	Well, I mean, when it comes to, do you think that women should be barred from volunteering for the military?
	No, I never said that.
	I'm not saying you did.
	So I'm not saying that you did, but if you're fine with women being in the volunteer military, then why would you not also be fine with women being forced into, like if there's a draft for forced military conscription?
	Like, you don't think they should be barred from volunteering from the military, correct?
	My earlier point was that I don't think that anyone should be forced to do that.
	Okay.
	Okay, but that's not the current system.
	But I don't.
	Okay, so assuming in the world, assuming anyone to do that.
	Right, but in a world where war happens and there's military conflicts, assuming in the world where you could never get rid of the draft, what is your prescription there?
	I have You can always pick it up another day.
	If you believe in equality, men and women should both be drafted.
	Women can always be in supportive roles.
	They can do logging positions, BFM positions, whatever, whatever.
	If you're a man, you can be there on the front lines.
	It doesn't have to be the same job.
	You can still have equality within being drafted, men and women.
	So, yes, it is possible.
	The issue is people love talking about let's find equality of outcome.
	But then, when it comes to issues like this, where it's obvious that men should be the ones fighting because they are different than women, so you guys are stronger, so you guys should be the ones getting drafted.
	So, when it comes to male roles in this place, when it benefits women, you're all for it.
	But when other effects occur, you're all against it.
	It doesn't make sense.
	We're all for it.
	No, when you sit there and you say feminism, first off, feminism is not for equality at all.
	Feminism is putting women ahead of men.
	That's what it is.
	That's what it came up as, but that's not what it should be.
	That's how it always started.
	If you want real equality, both should be separate from what it is.
	If it was really, if it was truly about equality, then this should be answered in an instant.
	Yes, women should be drafted.
	Because then it would be, then it would be, okay.
	I said that.
	That's fair.
	Okay, yes.
	But most feminists don't like to say that because all of a sudden it brings up all of these issues.
	Like, okay, well, it just feels wrong.
	Because obviously, it was wrong.
	It felt wrong for men to think that we could possibly be in a same role in a war.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	Again, it comes if we want to get drafted.
	Yeah, well, that goes to my worldview: that men and women are intrinsically different.
	Therefore, they will have intrinsically different experiences.
	They will have intrinsically different downsides to their life as a man, woman.
	Yeah.
	So it doesn't matter.
	No matter how hard we try to work against that, we will always have biology, being a man or a woman, that will dictate what our experience will be.
	So it doesn't matter.
	We can try to make that outcome equal.
	It's impossible.
	But she also did make a good point about there still being role within the military.
	I don't believe in the whole feminist bullshit, but I do believe if men are going to be drafted, women should be drafted.
	Again, separate roles.
	Men can be on the front lines.
	Women should be supporting the men.
	We shouldn't just let them all, like, oh, you guys go figure it out.
	Yeah.
	Ah, well, see, here's where I even differ there.
	For the actual pure sake of pure, unadulterated equality, women should also be on the front.
	Do it if they're physically able to do it.
	But apparently, we haven't physically able to do it.
	That would be equality.
	That would be equal.
	That's equality of outcome because an equal amount of women are getting slaughtered as an equal amount of men.
	So the outcome is equal.
	Well, that's what we're talking about.
	We want equality.
	If equality is our ultimate goal, then we should pursue equality in all things.
	Therefore, we need to pursue equality and how many people die in war.
	I guess.
	Brian, I'll be right back.
	See, it doesn't make any sense.
	Therefore, feminism doesn't make sense.
	Why are we pursuing that?
	It makes sense.
	There we go.
	But this is the criticism.
	This isn't a good thing.
	This is the criticism of feminism.
	Yes.
	Is that it's not about, okay, feminism is not about equality.
	It's about securing benefits for women.
	If a form of equality in some conceivable way comes at the detriment of women, for example, it would be equality for both men and women to be drafted, but it would conceivably come as a new detriment to women.
	It's like feminists will not fight for said equality, even though it is equality.
	So of course, feminism is not an equality movement.
	If I can be the most charitable, it's a women's advocacy movement.
	Nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but let's not sit here and lie and get equality.
	It's not about equality.
	It never has been.
	Otherwise, they would be advocating for all sorts of things that would conceivably come at the detriment and to the detriment of women, but they don't.
	i think we're both equally skewed and this is never gonna like really anyways i mean i'm just surprised that the feminist here who's taken feminist classes just i mean it's fresh and learning these things She's 21.
	Yeah, all right.
	She's in the dole.
	I also, we've been going at this for hours.
	I'm tired.
	I think that we have had very different experiences that have shaped different viewpoints.
	I've explained my position.
	You guys have explained yours.
	I don't think a resolution is going to be reached.
	What would our experiences?
	I haven't been drafted for war.
	I'm not sure.
	Explain your perspective.
	But how would our lived experiences have anything to do with what is a hypothetical scenario where there's a draft?
	Granted, there are actually tangible things.
	Like I had to register for the selective service and able to get the right to vote.
	You don't.
	If I didn't register for the selective service, I would face all sorts of penalties.
	I would be barred from certain federal jobs.
	There's fines.
	I could be prosecuted.
	What else?
	There's also you can't get certain student loans, federal student loans, for example.
	You can't get certain government jobs.
	So I'm confused why our lived experiences have anything to do with you being able to acknowledge that women, like I'm just confused as a feminist, you seem to be in favor of equality.
	Why can't you just say women should be subject to the draft the same way men are?
	I think that you want to get an answer out of me.
	That's the answer that you want to hear, and I don't think we're going to reach a rest.
	No, I think we just want logic to be applied to this specific scenario.
	And well, it's because we're engaging with a logical conclusion that if feminism is really truly about equality, then in the most extreme cases, it should still be about equality.
	We've proven that it's not because anytime we've had this conversation multiple times with many women, anytime we bring up this instance, it's like pulling teeth.
	You cannot get people to be logical about this.
	You can't get feminists to be logical about this because it's the most extreme example of equality and they will not agree that it should be equal.
	Because they will try to jump through all these hula hoops and it's all just crazy.
	Oh my gosh, it's so exhausting.
	Because all we want to do is just follow the logical trail.
	And it's impossible to do so.
	Well, I mean, you agreed.
	You agreed.
	You agreed to the logic that if we really wanted to be free, then equal, then...
	Are you willing to, if I ask you the question, are you willing to concede that feminism is not about equality?
	I think that feminism is about equity, and I think I mentioned that earlier.
	I'm a little confused what the difference between equity and equality factors, people have different experiences.
	So what would preclude what would women actually, I think, make excellent snipers.
	What would preclude a woman from being drafted to be a sniper?
	I would love that.
	I have not, I am not familiar enough with the military to engage in this discussion, and we're not going to reach resolution.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, well, I mean, it's a little shifting goalpost, though.
	So, I mean, couldn't we just return this equity thing?
	I mean, you mentioned the wage gap.
	I mean, wouldn't there be perhaps equitable reasons for why that exists, even though it's been debunked on the show?
	I have explained my point of view.
	You've explained your question.
	Can I ask you?
	Okay, so if a corporation said, Can I ask you a question?
	So if a corporation said, for equity reasons, we've determined that men should be paid more than women for equity reasons, would you think that that's fair?
	No, personally not, but we're not going to reach a resolution.
	I don't think we can.
	But it is fair to say, it is fair to say.
	That we're just not going to see.
	I think that's the problem.
	But why is it equity only to the benefit of women?
	Equity should be to the benefit.
	It considers everyone.
	But I have told you guys that I am tired.
	I don't think we're going to be able to do it.
	We understand.
	But it's like you're using your physical exhaustion to not engage with a logical argument.
	We're just asking simple, can you follow this logical trail and agree that it's logical?
	And you just will not do that.
	And it's not just you.
	It's pretty much every feminist I've ever talked to is unable to do that.
	I don't understand why it's so difficult.
	Because I can engage with a logical argument.
	If someone provides me with logical arguments for why my point of view is wrong, I am able to walk down that logical trail with them and agree with them.
	Okay, that's logical.
	That's logical.
	If equality is really what I'm looking for, or equity is really what I'm looking for, I can walk down this logical trail and I can agree with you.
	Or I can find the place where your logic deviates from my logic and we can discuss that.
	This has not been that.
	You have not been able to provide us where our logic is flawed.
	It's always come down to either I'm tired or it's complicated.
	I can't explain it.
	If you can't explain it, I don't know why you have such a strong opinion on the matter.
	When obviously our opinion has been a lot more logical, we've been able to draw more logical conclusions.
	I just don't.
	That's what's mind-numbing over here.
	That's why we're trying to push this subject so heavily.
	Well, there's also a bit of shifting the goalposts.
	So when it suits you as a feminist, you want equality.
	But when it doesn't suit you, you want equity.
	You want to pick and choose when to apply equality and when to apply equity, which I find interesting.
	In any case, I don't think we're going to get really any engagement on this.
	It was an interesting conversation.
	So I think we're going to wrap up the show.
	This has been a very long.
	It has been super fucking long.
	God damn, I wanted it and out.
	Okay, all right.
	Well, with that said, though, it was very interesting tangling with you on this.
	It's very interesting hearing your guys' perspectives as well.
	I want you to know, even though we disagree, I thought you were actually, it made for an interesting show.
	If people just agree with everything, things can be kind of dull or if they provide no pushback.
	So I actually want to commend you for being able to for providing pushback on my worldview.
	I think on Mason's worldview, if everyone just agreed with us, it would be rather affair.
	You can't expect everyone to agree on everything.
	It's just part of the human condition.
	I appreciate you guys being civil and I appreciate you guys sharing your perspectives.
	I found them very interesting.
	Yeah.
	So I do, yes, certainly want to thank you for, and obviously I hold, even though we disagreed, hold no ill will towards you.
	No, no, Ellie.
	I don't hold anything.
	Cool, cool, cool.
	Of course, yeah.
	Cool, cool.
	Anyways, we're going to try to get everybody out here.
	Where's Moda?
	She's just back there.
	I'm going to wrap the show.
	Come say bye.
	Or did she just doing a toque in the toque?
	I don't know.
	She came back from the bathroom.
	She was fucking.
	Zooted.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Morgan, two chats.
	We'll have you read them.
	Seeing conversations like this take place, I have become more convinced that the 19th Amendment needs to be repealed.
	Bro, that's good then.
	You're not the queen of the USA.
	Desert Joe, you are a sexist and a misogynist.
	I disavow this statement.
	I do think women should be able to vote.
	Hey, that's something we agree upon.
	Yeah, but I also think they should be forced into the military and also be forced to die and shit.
	But that's, you know, does that make me more of a feminist or more of a misogynist?
	It makes you a feminist.
	Okay, all right.
	And then Morgan, once more on this one.
	You can't hyphenate a word and change the root meaning of the word.
	Toxic behavior has nothing to do with masculinity.
	Being masculine isn't toxic.
	You're being gaslit, ladies.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Ben George.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	Thank you, buddy.
	She is nice, Brian, if not equitable or logical.
	Okay, thank you, Ben.
	Oh, whoops.
	I meant to pull this one up.
	So draft the F out of women, D-E-I.
	Let's be equitable.
	Think of it as reparations for men.
	You know what?
	That would be equitable.
	It's actually for the next thousand years.
	Only women.
	Only women get to go to war and do the fighting.
	You know, I think that would be equity, actually.
	It shouldn't be equal, draft.
	It should be.
	Do you know how to do that?
	America would just disappear.
	You talk to women.
	You talk to women on a bi-weekly basis.
	Do you think they can protect you?
	You are a sexist.
	Yes, I am.
	Women are good at pulling triggers.
	Okay, away from that.
	I will not stand for your sexism.
	If you pick a rando person out here, you're going to sit there and you're going to trust them to shoot a gun straight.
	Oh, look at this.
	We got to.
	Walking Moscow underscore on underscore YouTube donated $201.
	She keeps saying, quote, if I'm being honest, end quote.
	As she has been lying all other times when yapping from her soup gula, by the way, check out my bowling trick shot on my short for levity.
	Okay.
	Bowling.
	This guy bowls.
	Thank you for sharing.
	This guy's a fucking legend.
	Who do you think you are, I am?
	What's a good bowling score?
	Like hitting a 300.
	300?
	Yeah.
	You getting 300s?
	Okay, cool, man.
	Thank you.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one.
	Do we raid somebody?
	I'll see if I can do it super quick.
	All right, guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Guys, it's been 35 minutes since we've had a prime.
	Can that get to little, I think it's bugged.
	Can somebody do a little Twitch Prime in the chat?
	Who's, okay, we're going to raid Frost Adamus.
	Nick, if you can pull up Frostodamus.
	He's playing World of Warcraft Classic Fresh on Devi Delight.
	With that, while I'm getting that all figured out, GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call, guys.
	Hit the like button.
	Please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You can be anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again Tuesday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Got a good show for you guys.
	So that should be a good one.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	07's in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	Nick, let's do the raid real quick for him.
	All right, thank you guys for watching over there on Twitch.
	I'm gonna raid our boy.
	He's in Romania.
	Tell him to walk upstairs.
	Good morning, Pyroflexion.
	How you doing?
	Okay, I'm raiding.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Sing the raid now.
	How you doing, man?
	He's got a jam.
	He's jamming.
	All right.
	He's got that music going.
	Look at this.
	Wow, what a legend with his quality streamer.
	Look at this guy.
	He's in Undercity right now.
	He's in Undercity just doing jack shit.
	He's just chilling.
	He's probably playing the auction.
	Brian, with the big, huge raid.
	Oh, my God.
	Welcome, everyone, boy.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, cool.
	Nice.
	All right, that's it.
	Cool.
	All right, guys, let me just double check.
	No, we got no chats.
	Okay, we're all good.
	Okay, guys.
	Thank you for, uh, do we, do we do body count yet?
	Yeah, we did.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good night, guys.
	Good night.
	We'll see you on Tuesday.

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