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She BANKRUPTS Men?! Are Women STRONGER Than Men?! Debate GOD Andrew Wilson! Ahegao Queen Nala! | Dating Talk #123

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	Hi, I'm Nala, the Ejego Queen.
	I am 25 years old.
	I literally live in the valley right now in California, and I'm on OnlyFans.
	I also do martial arts, boxing, and weapons training.
	Okay.
	the san fernando valley correct or oh wait i thought you said you live in the valley Yeah, kind of, like Torzana area.
	Oh, okay.
	The valley.
	Oh, okay, already.
	Jonda's Core X Sunday's core donated $200.
	No.
	That's when you thought you were going to get Peace Nala.
	Not on my watch.
	You will never find lovers you can't.
	Whoa, Hey, come on.
	Let's go.
	No, not the black.
	Thanks, Daddy.
	Wow.
	There's a 100% chance that guy's also subbed your OnlyFans.
	Most likely.
	Do you like my news?
	I do like it.
	Okay, there you go, Bat XA.
	Thanks for the comment.
	All right.
	You said you do martial arts.
	What like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?
	Jiu-Jitsu, not Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, but Jiu-Jitsu more is like taking people to the ground.
	I like Taekwondo.
	I really like wings.
	Taekwondo.
	Oh.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Sounds a terror.
	Sounds a terrible joke, okay?
	But just multiple forms.
	I think it's important to know multiple forms of martial arts.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	They're already stuck on it.
	I'm going to be able to do $200.
	Ladies, your past does not dictate your future.
	Can we get through the history?
	Andrew married a feminist-minded elder baby mama with a high body count and two kids by her ex-boyfriend.
	This proves there is hope for 304s everywhere.
	Looks like they have smoke for everybody today.
	Let's see.
	So let me respond by kind of letting you know that you're probably a rampant homosexual, and I have no respect for you whatsoever.
	So just letting you know.
	And none of that's true, by the way.
	So just letting you know that, too.
	I didn't believe it.
	Okay, good talk.
	Wow.
	All right.
	Off to a great start here.
	It was going to be fun.
	Okay, so what about you?
	Yeah, my name is Kyla.
	I go by Not So Aerodite Online.
	I'm a progressive liberal who's a radical in all the right places.
	Did you say age?
	29.
	Oh, 29.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	Hi.
	I'm Pixie.
	I'm 24.
	I'm a progressive streamer, and I'm also a partnership coordinator with PB.
	So that's what I'm currently doing.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Caitlin.
	I'm 19.
	I'm from Jacksonville, North Carolina.
	I'm a progressive leftist radical as well, or pretty radical, I would like to say.
	Okay, radic.
	Yeah, very.
	Maybe a little too crazy.
	All right, radical, writing that down.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name's Eden, diabetic coochie.
	Okay, diabetic coochie.
	So you're.
	I do OnlyFans.
	But you have diabetes.
	Okay.
	Is it type one, type two, or?
	Type one.
	People usually don't know.
	Okay, got it.
	Age?
	I'm 22.
	22.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And all right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Salem Links, and I'm 20 years old.
	I'm a model, and I do OnlyFans.
	All right, welcome.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Alexa.
	I'm 27.
	I'm from Silicon Valley, and I am a project manager in tech.
	No, no, OnlyFans.
	No OnlyFans.
	I'm tempted, though.
	I hear how much money y'all make, and I'm not going to lie.
	My name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm a far-right Christian populist.
	I guess that would be the closest you could describe me as.
	And I own a channel on YouTube called The Crucible, which I host.
	And it's one of the fastest-growing debate channels, if not the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube.
	all right cool so we're not on only fans I'm not.
	Okay.
	Who the hell would want to pay for that?
	I'd pay for it.
	Are you proposing a collaboration, Nala?
	No, I don't know.
	I mean, he is Christian.
	I was a pastor's daughter.
	Oh, actually, wait.
	We have some news articles about that that we can look at real quick.
	I'm going to talk about that.
	Yeah.
	So you used to be, maybe you can tell us briefly about that history.
	So I was a pastor's daughter starting as a preteen.
	My dad was a pastor for like five years.
	Very Baptist pastor.
	And then we went into like non-denomination.
	What kind of Baptist was he?
	He went to non-dom, so I'm guessing like probably center, probably not fundamental.
	Like, did women have to wear skirts?
	Absolutely not.
	No.
	There was like modesty rules, but not like extreme modesty rules.
	Very, very challenging.
	In worship?
	Very much so.
	Yes, yes.
	But then we moved to non-denomination.
	And slowly but surely, he kind of got out of the church as a pastor and just kept going to church.
	And then, you know, I became a sinner.
	So.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	We have a couple news articles about that.
	About how I have like seven personal regrets.
	Oh, no, my extra.
	He's gay.
	I went from pastor's daughter.
	He's a guy I fucked until he became gay.
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	I went from pastor's daughter to millionaire OnlyFans model and make nearly $150,000 a month.
	Or sorry, that's.
	Wait, he did what?
	What?
	You still use coupons.
	Okay, scroll down.
	So that's...
	Look!
	Wow.
	Oh, my God.
	This is me as a pastor's kid.
	Wow, that's quite the transformation.
	You play violin?
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	I think I was like, damn, I look like I was like 14.
	Scroll down a little bit, please.
	Just so it's at the top of the.
	I know.
	That's so weird.
	What a transformation.
	I know.
	It looks so different.
	Your body looks like you're 20.
	Thanks.
	My body hasn't changed.
	You still play violin.
	I do.
	Next time we get you on there.
	I would love that.
	Do a little violin solo.
	Okay.
	If you sub, you can watch her play violin.
	You make it, actually.
	Can I have you tilt your microphone down?
	What's there's another article, too, right?
	I'm curious.
	What's the article?
	Oh, this is the mirror.
	I gave up life as a pastor's daughter to sell saucy snaps, and now I'm a millionaire.
	Scroll down.
	It was more than saucy snaps.
	Oh, look, it was just a baby.
	Wow.
	Huge transformation.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Off we go.
	All right.
	Okay.
	What's a saucy snap?
	A nude spicy snake.
	Bad underscore exon is coordinated $200.
	First off, OnlyFans subscribers are simps and beaters that get no pay.
	Oh.
	I don't give women money or subbing on OnlyFans.
	P.S. According to Reddit Gnaly, your nudes are tracked.
	Whoa, that's because they didn't want to pay for the good ones.
	You say, let's try to be nice.
	Let's try to be nice.
	You don't have to be nice.
	I love this.
	No, and he says all of that.
	I love that he's having to pay $200 to say that.
	I think he's a beta.
	No, he gets no play if he spent $200 to say that.
	Yeah, you say, like, you're just trying so hard to prove your point.
	And that is just sadder.
	Basically, describing to her OnlyFans.
	You basically just paid a room of women.
	And you were like, I'm going to give women money like that.
	Thank you so much.
	I ain't getting paid.
	So I think it's just going right to Brian.
	Good times.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Oh, so going around the table, what is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule sex, colt harem?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I've been single for almost two years now.
	January, the end of January would be two years.
	I'm really, really happy.
	Actually, I feel like I've grown so much in these last two years by myself and with my puppies.
	And I don't know, my life has just improved so much not having someone like hold me down.
	And yeah.
	And did you say how long your longest relationship was?
	Almost three years because I almost got married.
	Is that the one that ended two years ago or is that a different one?
	No, that was a different one.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been married for six years.
	We've been together for like seven and a half.
	And that's obviously my longest relationship.
	Sorry, you've been married for six years.
	Gotcha.
	Got married at 23.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	My longest relationship has been like three, almost four years.
	I'm currently single.
	And yeah.
	How long have you been single for?
	About a year.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single, more single than last time.
	He ghosted me officially.
	Yeah.
	So that's been for about two-ish weeks.
	And then my longest relationship was about three years.
	May he rest in peace.
	He just passed away.
	Is this, wait.
	He just passed away.
	Was he...
	Because you were just on two weeks ago.
	So is this something that happened in the past two weeks?
	Yeah, it happened last week on Thanksgiving.
	Well, sorry to hear that.
	So you've been single though, but last time you were on, you were in the situation ship.
	It was like towards the last, it was like the last legs of the situationship.
	Okay.
	Was that with the man who passed away?
	No.
	Okay.
	Give me a reminder on the whole situationship situation.
	So we were talking, we were like, we caught feelings for each other really fast.
	He was a Marine, so we started talking about marriage.
	And then it kind of got really pressure.
	Like, I think the idea of the marriage put a lot of pressure on him.
	So, and then he also ended up realizing, or coming to the realization that I was not the person that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with, which is fine.
	So we were chit-chatting here and there every couple days.
	And then actually, last time I flew out to California was the last time that me and him have had a conversation.
	Okay, got it.
	Now, was the breakdown of this relationship due to your appearance on the whatever podcast?
	He didn't say anything about it.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought maybe he saw you on.
	I don't know.
	He didn't ever say anything.
	We talked like once or twice, maybe after the podcast.
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	I see.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Gotcha.
	What about you?
	That's my pump.
	I've been single for a little less than a year.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And longest relationship?
	My longest relationship was like three years.
	Three years.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	A little less than a year.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I've been in like an on and off relationship.
	Can I have you just tilt the microphone up a little bit, scoot it close towards you and speak close into it, please?
	Go ahead.
	I've been in an on and off relationship for it's been a situationship and then like a relationship, but it's been on and off.
	And I think we're done now.
	I think you're done.
	Well, we are done now.
	Oh, you are done.
	How long have you been done?
	About two weeks.
	Two weeks?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And yes.
	And my longest relationship was three years.
	Gotcha.
	And how long were you seeing this on again, off-again?
	Nine months.
	How long?
	Nine months.
	Nine months.
	Got it.
	How many times was it off on too many to count?
	Too many.
	Like every other, every fourth.
	Every other week, like we'd be like, yeah, we're done.
	Every week?
	More often than not, who would be ending things?
	Me.
	Every single time?
	Or sometimes he would end up?
	Every single time.
	So if you, I mean, nine months, if it was every week, so are we talking like 30 plus times on the 40 plus 50?
	No, like 30.
	Okay.
	Who would go back to who?
	Like, or who would ask to get back together, you or him?
	Probably him, yeah.
	Probably him.
	Him.
	Okay.
	And so, but you would end things, but why would you keep taking him back?
	Well.
	He would change.
	He said he would change?
	He said he would change.
	And it was a situation where I feel like I, in the relationship, I felt so masculine in a point where I don't feel like I was able to be feminine.
	And he is a very emotional person.
	Okay.
	And so it was just kind of a thing where he would make me feel, you know, like I would have to kind of take him back because he would, you know, just be emotional and, you know, and I felt bad.
	So I would stay and then he just wouldn't change.
	So, yeah.
	So I felt like the man in the relationship, basically.
	And when you were breaking up with him, was there something like, would he be cheating on you?
	Would he be starting like an argument or something?
	No, it was basically just like I felt like I was babying him.
	Like I am the, I'm the, I make money in the relationship.
	I'm the only one like that.
	You know, I'm the sole breadwinner.
	You're 20, right?
	How old was he?
	He's 22.
	22.
	Okay.
	How do you guys meet?
	In person?
	Instagram.
	He DMs you?
	He found me on live.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	Was he one of, because you do OF, right?
	So was he one of those?
	Well, no, no, no.
	He found me on TikTok.
	Oh, on TikTok?
	Was it like a dance video or something?
	No, it was just like a live.
	I used to go live and just get ready with me, stuff like that.
	Okay, so he slid into the DMs.
	Did you guys live in the same city?
	Was this?
	Yeah, no, he lived like an hour away.
	He lived in LA.
	Okay, I see.
	All right.
	And so 30 plus times.
	On again, off again.
	Yeah, and I mean, when I say that, I mean it very lightly.
	Like, I would just be like, yeah, I'm done.
	Like, and then like, you know.
	Sounds healthy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but it was just, you get tired of, I feel like when you are at a point in your life when you are, you know, you feel like you're ready to settle down and you have everything that you feel like you need in your life to succeed.
	And you feel like you're, you know, finally at a point where you don't need anybody.
	And somebody comes into your life and, you know, and they're not at the same level, it's hard to, it's hard to, you know, have a relationship with them because I feel like you grow a resentment and like I want us to be on the same level, but you're not doing anything to get on my level.
	So it's just.
	Okay, so it's been off for two weeks.
	Has he tried to get back with you?
	Or is this the final straw?
	Final straw.
	You sure?
	Yeah.
	Because I mean, there's been 30 plus previous attempts to call it off.
	Definitely.
	This could be number 30.
	No, final straw.
	Final straw.
	You've committed to it on the whatever podcast.
	Yeah.
	So we're going to have you back in two months.
	And we're going to need an update if it actually was the final straw.
	And I'm leaving to Dubai, like back to Dubai.
	So I feel like once I go back there.
	Yeah.
	Well, I grew up in Dubai.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Because I've heard some people, sometimes people go there for certain gigs.
	No, no, no.
	I grew up there.
	Oh, okay.
	So I just bought an apartment over there.
	So I'm planning on, you know, starting my life over there.
	And, you know, so I feel like once I go there, it's kind of like I move on, you know?
	Do you have, so do you have, what is it, UAE citizenship?
	No, so I like were you born?
	I just became a U.S. citizen.
	So, but since like I've lived there before and we, my parents have had property over there.
	Like we, you know, no one actually gets UAE citizenship.
	It's actually nobody has.
	You just get a visa, like a living visa.
	Do you residency or citizen?
	Gotcha.
	You mentioned that one of the issues in the relationship was that you were making money.
	You felt like you were the provider in the relationship.
	But and you don't need to say a number, but I do know it can be the case that when a woman gets involved with OnlyFans, for example, there's a lot of potential to make a lot of money, right?
	Whereas like a 22-year-old guy who might not be well established in his career might not have the opportunity to match somebody who's around his age cohort.
	So do you think that, you know?
	I completely agree.
	And there's a thing where I told him, I don't need you to make money.
	Like, I don't need you to make like crazy money.
	I don't even need you to make like $10,000 a month.
	I just want you to show me that you're working, you're hustling, you have ambition to work.
	I see.
	But there was none of that.
	You know, there was no urgency to make money.
	And that's a problem for me.
	Do any of the other women at the panel, have you had this experience with a guy?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So many.
	It's just so hard because even if they're not working, it's like, what are you doing?
	Like, I'm interested in this, this, this, and this.
	And you kind of just maybe go to the gym.
	And like, that's not enough.
	So many people go to the gym.
	But, like, I want to do this and this, and you can't even come with me to this stuff.
	So it doesn't even have anything to do with OnlyFans, like our hobbies in general.
	Like, we're just more people than that.
	You know, like, we're more of a person.
	And so it's really difficult to see a guy.
	They're like, oh, the girl's making all that cash.
	Like, I don't need to do much.
	She's got the house.
	She's got the car.
	Her life is put together.
	Even if it is OnlyFans money, you know, we still did it.
	And now we're doing better things with our life.
	Yeah.
	Speaking of cars, can we find a picture of Nala's lamp?
	Green lamp for Key.
	It's outside.
	Yes, I saw it.
	I was like, she's here.
	She's here.
	She made it.
	Poison Ivy's here.
	You know what?
	You should get a photo with Pixie after because you should have the matching green.
	I would love that.
	It's so hot.
	You should post it on your Instagram.
	Be like, this is my Lambo.
	This is mine.
	I was supposed to say.
	That's.
	Oh, that's it.
	Is she pretty?
	Oh, she's so pretty.
	Search for.
	Is it that?
	That's the Daniel Mac video, so that's it.
	That's literally it.
	Which one?
	The one just topic.
	Top left first.
	Nick, go ahead.
	Is that Rodeo Drive?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I did it with Daniel Mac.
	Anyways, yeah, we are.
	Are you actually a stranger?
	No.
	Are there any photos of it on your IG?
	There might be.
	It's okay.
	I don't know.
	We'll take one together later.
	Is there any room for you to scoot your chair this way and scoot it into the table it's on?
	Like, or no?
	Is there anything a little bit?
	I just.
	It's the leg.
	I just see this gap.
	Yeah.
	It pushes you into like a gaping hole.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Like right there.
	Sorry, says my OCDs.
	Okay, okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I was going to say, actually, at one point in my relationship, I kind of felt similarly.
	But you're current or a past.
	Okay, got it.
	And it led to a lot of issues.
	And I think I realized, like, I'm not speaking this of other women.
	I have no idea.
	But there was a lot of things that he was doing all the time for me that I didn't really see.
	And I think like honor or respect.
	And so I grew this level of frustration towards him that luckily I was able to kind of snap my head out of it and be like, yeah, he's not making a ton of money.
	It was also during COVID.
	He was a personal trainer.
	He literally cannot work.
	And then he would come up with new business ideas.
	And then we're watching his business plan strategies and be like, actually, no park workouts either now.
	And he's like, come on.
	So there wasn't a ton to do, but he was doing everything that he could around the house.
	He was cleaning.
	He was cooking.
	He was participating.
	The issue is that I was working full-time and also doing some of those things.
	And I think, I don't know, I feel like this financial thing that people get fixated on, it tears relationships apart probably more than it needs to.
	Because I think we get weird notions about what money needs to look like in a relationship.
	And I guess I just changed my mind.
	I realized, I don't really care if he's making money that much.
	I care a lot about, is he high-quality character?
	Do I trust him?
	Do I feel safe with him?
	Is he good to me?
	Is he sexy?
	Does he make me feel sexy?
	Like all of these important things of an important relationship.
	Do we have the similar spiritual values?
	And the answer is yes.
	And I'm not saying that you guys should or shouldn't have broken up with your partners.
	I have no idea.
	I'm just so glad that I was able to break my head out of that because I love my husband.
	Oh, did you have something for us?
	That's so good.
	And I want to add to that because.
	Oh, into the mic if you can.
	Oh, sorry.
	I want to add to that because I feel like, I mean, when you're in a relationship and, you know, there's something called, you know, a lot of people go through like 50-50 and like there's a lot of talk between should it be 50-50, should it be a man treats a woman, blah, blah, blah.
	And a lot of people have their own, you know, ideas on what a relationship should be and what it shouldn't.
	And I feel like from where I come from, like my culture and my tradition, it's always been, you know, a man takes care of a woman, right?
	But obviously, like, I see a relationship as, you know, we should be 50-50 and where we both trust each other, we both do whatever we can to support each other and whatever it might be.
	But in this case, like, if a man or in this case, like, if a man isn't, you know, like you said, your man was doing stuff around the house.
	He was, you know, he's a personal trainer.
	He da da da da.
	And in a lot of cases, it's like in mine, he wanted me to take that first step with him where it was like, I want you to help me find what I want to do.
	I want you to help me go work out.
	I want you to be there with me when I go find this.
	And I was like, I can't help you take those baby steps.
	I will be there for you.
	I will support you, but you need to find what you want to do.
	Because for me, when I started The OnlyFans, he was around and he wanted to get involved with that, right?
	And I was like, fuck yeah, like I want you to be involved.
	Let's make money.
	But then to a point where it was like, okay, you're not doing anything else.
	You're always on just video games.
	You're not cleaning the house.
	You're not doing anything.
	So it felt like I wanted that to be my own thing.
	And I wanted him to have his own thing.
	And I wanted him to grow in doing his own thing.
	And then once we do have that, then we can, you know, come back and make money together.
	So you were with that guy before you started your OnlyFans?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And we had a conversation.
	Did the OnlyFans help that?
	So we had a conversation like before I started.
	And he was the one that kind of nudged me into like, you know, do, you know, you can make money off this, like, you know, and I was like, yeah.
	So he told me, like, I don't want to lose you to this.
	I don't want you to, you know, because he's seen a lot of girls change.
	And I mean, we've all seen a lot of once a girl starts, or anyone starts making money like that, you know, it changes people sometimes.
	So that was definitely a conversation that we had.
	But I also feel like he, he would see.
	Would you date an old fellow at Brian also?
	My sprinkler goes like this.
	You suck.
	That's amazing.
	It comes back like this.
	If you want to answer the question, Pixie.
	What was the question in the middle of the day?
	Would you date and or fillate Brian?
	I have a strict no red pill or red pill adjacent men.
	Shoot, guys.
	I'm out of luck.
	I'm out of luck.
	I'm so close.
	Deeply hurt.
	We won't make you buy your dinner when you go on a date.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	What if I turn blue pill?
	Oh, I'd be open.
	He would never.
	He would convert me, mommy.
	Okay, so.
	Can I ask a question to the OnlyFans girls real quick on these relationships?
	Like, did you, did you, were you able to articulate what you need in a relationship?
	It wasn't, if it wasn't a financial or monetary relationship.
	Like, did you verbalize to them what they could contribute?
	Because I feel like for a lot of guys, like, depending on how you're raised, there's a small window of where men feel like they can contribute and feel like they're not.
	I feel like they can't have a purpose and have it.
	And unless someone's willing to articulate something other than that, you know, I don't fall human.
	Yo, sweet tooths, thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	If you guys can give quick responses to that, go ahead.
	I feel like, can I similar to what she said?
	Like, for me, it's not even about them being able to make the same money as me because, like, you were saying, it's not the most realistic thing all the time, especially at the age.
	It's more about the ambition.
	And I've definitely articulated that in past relationships.
	And there's been times where I feel like I was more blinded when I was younger about the money, and someone was doing everything they could.
	And then there's been times where a man just had no ambition, period.
	For me, I feel like I'm very good at communicating what I want.
	Because I'm gone this far in life and I know what I want.
	And it's easy to communicate that.
	And it's actually very simple.
	If you don't have money, that's fine.
	I got us.
	We're good.
	You can fucking live with me.
	That's fine.
	I'll be mommy and daddy.
	But for me, it's like.
	Don't you have a tattoo here?
	Wait, Nick.
	Can you show it to this camera right here?
	You have a daddy tattoo on your lip.
	It was the best thing I ever got.
	Absolutely not.
	And if it did, pain is pleasure.
	There's very few nerves in the front of your lips.
	Don't those disappear after a while, too.
	I heard that, but it's been like two years right now.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's really good.
	Same thing with your fingers if you're not.
	It's just so wet, Brian.
	Haram.
	Okay, good for you.
	So, yeah, it's easy to communicate, but for me, it's really the simplest things.
	I want to go take a drive with you at sunset.
	I want to, I want your attention.
	Like, don't just be on your phone.
	We're in such an age right now where like everyone's stuck in their phones.
	Yeah.
	And I'm like, man, put it away.
	Like, I worked and bust my ass so we could be here and you're on your phone.
	Like, you're like, oh, I'm grinding.
	I'm grinding.
	No, I'm right here.
	Yeah.
	So, what do you feel like, though, is your limit?
	Like, would you be in a relationship with someone where, okay, like the first couple years, you guys, you know, you're the breadwinner and he, you know, it's cool.
	Like, he's giving you attention.
	He's giving you all that.
	And then you get married, blah, blah, blah.
	And he's still not getting a job, not doing, you know.
	So if I get married to someone, we have an amazing connection, and money never mattered anyway.
	So it just, it wouldn't carry on to all of a sudden matter because I make very smart financial moves for my own future, which means I would have been making it for both of us.
	Well, do you want to get married though?
	Yes.
	You do?
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Because you want to get married.
	I do.
	Very down the line.
	I've really had these last two years to really think and get to know myself.
	I started this book called The Art of Being Alone, and it really talks you through like loving yourself.
	And like, you're not alone.
	You're literally just with yourself.
	Like date yourself.
	Like do things with yourself.
	And it's eye-opening.
	I've changed so much in these last two years being single.
	And I don't feel like anyone's ever encouraged me to be better.
	Once I started getting better, the resentment came in.
	And it was like, oh, I don't want to feel this way with you.
	You make me feel like I'm better, but you're like putting me on this weird pedestal and then you're jealous of it.
	And it's odd.
	And it makes me feel uncomfortable.
	Hold on.
	It makes me feel like you're a little beta.
	Wait, makes you feel like a little beta.
	No, it makes me feel like they're a little beta.
	I'm daddy.
	Which you like, which you like, correct?
	Well, she wants to take care of me.
	I'm the nurturer, but I don't want to be the like mate.
	Like, you still have to protect me.
	Exactly.
	I'm not putting a strap on or some shit.
	Like, I literally only to women.
	Only to women.
	I've never fucked a man in the ass with a thing is once you hit Porkyu money, then it is irrelevant who made it.
	But how it is made does matter.
	Selling your body is probably a suboptimal way to get there.
	Yeah.
	Do we think he's had sex in the last year?
	If I could ask.
	I think he's married.
	Well, let me get through a couple of my questions because I'm.
	You got it.
	I've got a bag of work here.
	Shoot.
	Coming back to you really quick.
	You were talking about your relationship with your husband.
	Are you the breadwinner?
	That's what stemmed this conversation.
	Are you currently the breadwinner in the relationship?
	And you're cool with that.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, yeah.
	And let me see, hold on my other note here.
	I guess just to make sure, because I really, I'm really, really intentional because I think a lot of people, when they hear that, my biggest frustration actually on any social media platform is people trying to demasculate my husband in any way.
	So I think a lot of what you girls are talking about is this lack of respect.
	And even though I'm the breadwinner, there's no world in which I don't have the highest respect for my husband.
	He's still very masculine.
	He just doesn't bring in as much money.
	And to be honest, most of the money I bring in is kind of a team effort because almost all my business adventures, he's business planning with me, coordinating together.
	So it's like, yeah, literally bringing all the money in.
	But at the end of the day, I wouldn't be here without him.
	Partnership.
	And I think that's a big thing, too.
	I feel bad for, because I have been in a relationship where I'm the breadwinner and I've known people, women, where they're the breadwinner.
	And it's like, it has nothing to do with masculinity with a guy, but I noticed the man feels that way.
	Whether or not you treat him that way, I think it happens for people.
	Because you're taking care of everything.
	Not only are you, you have the money, you got the car, you might have the space to be putting a roof over their head, but you're also grocery shopping and cleaning and doing everything a woman is like female.
	Yes.
	But I also feel like for you, like, you guys have like an understanding in your relationship, right?
	Like, he does other things.
	Like, it's not just about money.
	Like, when I said that, it was not about money at all.
	It was about, I want you to do something with a lot of people.
	I don't want you to just sit at home and play games.
	That is, I don't care about money.
	If you're literally going and volunteering, I would love that.
	That would be enough for me to take care of you, pay everything.
	I would have agreed two years ago.
	I would have agreed two years ago because that's exactly what I said.
	But then I realized that the only thing I fucking care about in life is being happy and having a content life.
	And the reality is, like, I've found that, like, most men, I think, maybe you guys would agree.
	Is there like a crisis of masculinity going on here?
	Oh, it's so bad.
	But it's because of our generation.
	I'd agree.
	I think a lot of women, we're pressing a lot on, oh, women's rights, women's, like, which we should, we should, but I think it's to the point where now it's okay, like a lot of men are, you know, stepping down and feeling emasculated.
	And I feel like men are afraid to be masculine because it's also like, if you're masculine, you're right.
	I get it.
	So, Alexa, you said that in previous relationships, you were the breadwinner at one point, but it sounded like I've had both.
	So, correct me if I'm wrong, though.
	You said that you think it's more so on the man's side an issue when the woman out-earns.
	Is that your position?
	That was at least a bit.
	It's actually the man who has an issue with a woman out-earning him.
	Yeah, because I didn't have a problem with that.
	Or is it the case that women become resentful of their partners when they out-earned?
	No, I think he donated $200.
	Bitly/slash three-ago3CX.
	Bro, no, let's not do lessons.
	Most, if not all, feminist science.
	Never argue with a 304.
	How much for your dignity?
	How much for my dignity?
	$100 million is his answer.
	How much for my dignity?
	Seven.
	Oh, seven.
	$350 about 350.
	Thank you, Modest.
	No, it's a great panel.
	No offense, Sandrew.
	Tech PM, your devs hate you if you don't know how to code.
	Bet, UAE girl, lip filler looks bad.
	Panel, what is a woman?
	You spent $200 a month.
	What is a woman?
	Someone who has a pussy?
	You spent $200 to say that on a trash.
	That was crazy.
	That was crazy.
	Also, my devs have no problem for the fact that I can't code because that's what they do.
	I'm a glorified mom, if anything, and I make sure they get a lot of work.
	I make sure they get their work done, and that's how it goes, because they left on their own.
	They won't get it done.
	Just to address it, we were originally going to have Michael Knowles on the show, but unfortunately, he had to cancel.
	There's this last-minute thing with the Daily Wire, but we are going to reschedule.
	And I think I announced it.
	I might have announced him previously, but we are going to reschedule that for a future date.
	So sometimes just, you know, last-minute things cancellation.
	So we've had him on the show before.
	We've had Candace also from the Daily Wire.
	So we'll get him back on eventually.
	But yeah.
	Okay, I forgot where we were.
	I think I was just addressing your, did you have something?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I was going to say, I mean, it kind of goes with he said the what is a woman thing.
	I feel like you can't really like, like, okay, when girls say a relationship should be 50-50 or shouldn't, I feel like so many things, it kind of goes into like sexuality.
	It's a it's a preference.
	Some girls, they know that the way they'll be happy is being in their utmost feminine, being provided for, and there's a man who's going to enjoy doing that.
	There's a woman who wants to take care of a man and prefers a submissive man.
	There's a girl who doesn't mind taking care of a man and he can still be the masculine one.
	It's like everyone has their own preferences.
	And then just trying to put other people's relationship in a box kind of just shows you're unhappy with yourself.
	Oh, true.
	Was that directed at the most recent chatter?
	I mean, I just kind of got around it.
	It's just in general, but then when he was saying the what is a woman, it kind of reminded me of that.
	Because in a similar light, like, but being a woman would be different to each woman, what makes them feel like a woman?
	Well, since he did ask, we might as well go around the table on this.
	And I do, I have a ton of questions.
	I still need to.
	Initial, I mean, I have dozen questions, but what is a woman?
	Oh, boy.
	He wants to get it.
	They want to get into it right away.
	Wow.
	So I do believe in God, and I believe that God created man and woman.
	And I know this is stepping on toes.
	And just again, everyone has their own opinion.
	I'm not forcing mine on anyone.
	This is purely just what I believe.
	Does your God think it's a sin to do OnlyFans?
	Are you talking about my God or our God?
	Well, what God do you believe in?
	Well, the God that I believe in thinks that that's a sin.
	Okay, I agree with that too.
	I don't think that God's like looking down at me and being like, oh, great job, Nala.
	That's the daddy I created right there.
	So you think that the God that you believe in knows that you're sinning and you're just doing it anyway?
	Yeah, but isn't that what sinners do?
	Well, I mean, I guess, but it's not usually what religious people do.
	Religious people don't usually claim to be religious.
	What is religious people?
	Well, I don't understand this.
	Well, isn't all sincere.
	Religion is different than Christianity.
	I mean, Christianity is a religion.
	Well, that's why I asked you.
	I asked you what.
	But having a relationship with God is different.
	Yeah, what's your God, though?
	What's my God, the Messiah, the only God?
	Yeah, who's that, though?
	What's the nature of this God?
	The nature?
	Like, is it a Christian God?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's the Christian God.
	It's not like the Buddha God.
	So the Christian God has a nature to him, right?
	And part of the nature is.
	He created nature.
	Yeah, but also has a nature.
	You don't think so?
	I mean, I feel like...
	I'm confused by the question.
	He has a nature of what?
	Of being God.
	Yeah.
	But I just claim that he was God.
	Yeah, so if his nature is God, I'm just asking you, do you think that the God that you believe in knows that you're sinning?
	You just do it anyway.
	I do, but I feel like everyone's sinning.
	Are you not a sinner?
	Do you know what the Faustian deal is?
	The Faustian deal.
	I do.
	The Faustian bargain.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So Faust was a doctor, made a deal with the devil so that he have more stuff that he wanted.
	It was all about him and his ego and that type of thing.
	Literally making.
	Would you rather me deny God?
	Literally made a deal with a D.
	Well, you already are.
	That's not true.
	I mean, I also proclaimed his name.
	No, just because of what I do does not mean I deny him as my God.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you believe what you're doing is against him, then in a way.
	Hold on.
	So the original question is: hold on.
	The original question is, what is a woman?
	She's answered it.
	What about you?
	Oh, okay.
	Unless you wanted to add anything, but okay, right now, a really shitty documentary by Matt Walsh.
	Well, okay, but I'm asking the question: what is a woman?
	It's kind of like porn.
	When you look at it, you know what it is, but it's hard to define.
	So you look at a woman and you're like, eh, looks like a woman for the most part.
	What is a female is obviously like somebody with like XX chromosomes and blah, Okay.
	What is a woman is somebody who looks and presents as a woman.
	And I know a lot of people are like, oh no, it's biology.
	But let's be honest, no one checked my genitals or my chromosomes before calling me a woman on here.
	And I didn't check anybody else's chromosomes or genitals before calling them a woman.
	So it's how they look like, like their physical women?
	They present how they act.
	Performance, yeah.
	Yeah, it's how they perform basically.
	Okay.
	I believe a woman is both a biological woman that identifies as a woman and a transgender and/or a transgender woman that identifies as a woman.
	And I would like to comment on what you said about God made men and women.
	I think I saw a TikTok or you know, some quotes on TikToks a couple times where it said, God created transgenderism the same for the same reason that He created grapes but not wine.
	So that the same way that we create grapes but not wine.
	I was going to say, if we saw it on TikTok, it must be true.
	It must be true.
	Can I hear her finish her sentence?
	Yeah, I'm not even laying down any facts or any biblical conclusion, but he created grapes but not wine.
	He created people that want to create something.
	So like we, it's so that we as humans can experience the act of creation is why transgenderism exists while, and it's not a sin, in you know, my opinion.
	Can I add something?
	But would it be a sin if you're kind of changing what God made?
	Is it a sin to dye your hair or to get a haircut?
	Or in the Old Testament, maybe?
	I think it is.
	Would it like if, let's say, like when God created man and woman, would it be against whatever your religion or God to basically say, God made me this way, and I'm changing what God made.
	She's talking about nature distinctly.
	Are you religious, by the way?
	I am religious.
	Are you Muslim?
	Yes.
	She's talking about a nature distinction.
	She's saying if you cut your hair, that's not changing your nature.
	Is it not?
	You're not a man.
	No, no, it's not.
	You're still on the logical nature.
	Yeah, it's not anatomy.
	It's an awful lot.
	So do you guys believe?
	Do you guys believe that?
	What is it?
	Getting any type of surgery whatsoever, those people are sinning.
	You're literally increasing your breast size or reducing it or changing our physical appearance.
	If we took a cat, if we took a cat and we gave a cat breast implants, is it now not a cat?
	You're changing its nature.
	No, you're not changing its nature.
	It's still a cat.
	So you're saying cats naturally have breasts.
	Probably.
	Why are you talking about the data?
	Cats do have breasts.
	You're talking about it.
	An important question would be: so you take a cat and then you apply enough surgeries that it has a dog tail, dog ears, and then it starts barking all the time.
	Are you still going to call it a cat?
	That's the actual question that we're dealing with.
	Yeah, I'd call it a cat.
	Now, some people would still call it a cat, right?
	I call it a green.
	The issue is that, let's just say that.
	The issue that we're running to is: if you define gender as essentially the performance, right?
	If you separate gender and sex, although I would argue gender is obviously downstream of sex.
	But if you treat them as separate words, then the question is: why do we, like, if you're going to say gender and sex are the same thing, why do we have two words?
	What's the purpose of that?
	Let's maybe let's go around the table to give everybody an opportunity to answer the initial question: what is a woman?
	And then, if you want to add any additional go ahead.
	Oh, I mean, what I was going to say is, I just feel like with that argument, like, obviously, not every person is going to, what's it called, agree with certain things or understand why people are trans.
	For me, I feel like the main core thing is, is if we know that their life expectancy is or in their like 26, 27, 28 because of suicide, for me, it's more of like whether or not you understand it.
	It isn't hard to, it isn't hard to respect somebody.
	So, hold people emotionally hostage.
	What part of that is holding someone hosting?
	Well, because if you say, I will remove myself from the equation if you don't do this thing I want, you're holding people emotionally hostage.
	I mean, also, I feel like if you're not passing and someone accidentally calls you the wrong pronoun, like, yes, you're being like, you shouldn't blow up on people for things like that.
	But if, like, you, if, if you're vindictively doing it, that's a different thing.
	Yeah, but isn't an emotional hostage shaking to say, do this thing or else I'll hurt myself?
	No, I don't think any trans person is saying if you didn't transform it.
	Well, then, why would the argument come up then?
	No, but there's definitely a lot of people.
	The reason we ought to do this is because these people could hurt themselves.
	Yeah, there are absolutely transgender people who are saying, if you don't do this, I'm going to kill myself, right?
	And that's not going to be a problem.
	I can't avoid it.
	But here's the thing, though.
	I think that's right.
	But I also think, I also think, like, if someone, you can not agree or agree with something, but then, like, if someone came up to you and like said, like, to, you know, like, respect them or whatever, I think that that should be respected.
	But I also think like everyone has their own opinions and you believe in what you believe in.
	But then if you're purposely attacking somebody for what they believe in, then I think that's a little like, okay, like you shouldn't be doing that.
	But then at the same time, like everyone also believes in what they believe in.
	But when it comes to like a woman and or when it comes to transgender and like pronouns, like I saw this TikTok where it was like, okay, like if I told you, oh, well, I need to be called beautiful and I need to be called smart.
	And if you don't call me that, then you're basically like, you know, you're wrong.
	Because it's like, isn't it really the same thing?
	Or if they say that they'll hurt themselves if you don't.
	What's a cup?
	I mean, define for me a cup or a sandwich.
	What's a cup or a sandwich?
	A cup.
	What is a sandwich?
	Something a woman makes.
	That's a joke.
	Come on.
	But that means curious also.
	That makes a good sandwich.
	This is the chair argument.
	It is the chair argument.
	Yeah, so you can never define completely what a chair is.
	Actually, that's not what I'm trying to say at all.
	I'm trying to say that we tend to define things in functional ways.
	That's the way that we use language, right?
	So like when we go into like, what's a soup?
	Is a smoothie a soup?
	It's in part a stupid fucking question because nobody cares.
	Yeah, but what we do is we act like smoothies aren't really soup, even though they kind of are in almost every single way.
	But they're not really, like, nobody treats them like they're soup.
	So maybe we don't call smoothies soup.
	And so this is a way where I'm breaking down to like, I wouldn't say that a trans person is a female.
	I wouldn't really be willing to confer those medical terms to them.
	But when it comes to woman, it's necessarily evolved as a word of functionality.
	And so it's like, it's really weird if you have Megan Fox, but she has a dick for me to be like, oh, it's still a man.
	It's like, I don't think I think that that's less weird.
	So, definitions also have definitely ends.
	They have support for what the definition is supposed to be.
	So, we can look at words and then we can look at the words that support those words.
	What's the word that supports the word of woman?
	It's female.
	It's not.
	It is.
	It's always been.
	When has it not been?
	Just one sec.
	Fuchs' sake, forcing people to participate in others' mental illness is wrong and hurts everyone.
	It is literally an enemy action to encourage someone to live in delusion.
	Stop the lies, get some help.
	I mean, all right.
	There you have it, Cred one.
	Like, to go back to what we're talking about earlier, I do think the logic of, well, we're all sinners as a reason to sin doesn't really make too much sense because, like, to just know you're going to continue sinning when you go and you confess or ask for forgiveness, when you're asking for forgiveness, like, is it asking for forgiveness or is it manipulation?
	If I tell you, I'm sorry, let's say for a religion, for example, I'm sorry I cheated on you and I could cheat on you again, and then cheat two days later.
	Were you ever truly sorry?
	Do you want like the liturgical answer?
	Like Catholicism, for example, and say, No, you're not actually sorry.
	Yeah, yeah, and I feel like different religions and different sectors of Christianity might define it differently.
	But I feel like I grew up, I was like altar-serving, waited till marriage in high school.
	And for me, the moment where I kind of had to step away from it is: if this is true, and if I believe in a Christian God that could literally damn me to eternal fire for this, this is the most important thing in the world.
	So it's either I live by it or I don't believe in it at all because it's kind of odd to believe in something like that and then cherry pick it.
	So did you just decide to not live by it?
	I mean, I could go into depth of what I believe.
	I don't, I feel like I couldn't trust the same church that was sending out millions of dollars of hush money, touching kids, taking gospels out the Bible.
	Most Christians don't even know about Mary Magdalene.
	Like, certain things aren't really talked about, which makes me feel like I don't trust the church as much as I do believe in God, but I wouldn't say I believe in a trigger.
	But okay, a woman is a biological female who doesn't have the herpes.
	By that, he always met Jay Butler.
	He always talks about herpes.
	By that standard, there isn't any women in that room.
	Brian said, oh my God.
	Brian said the past on a long enough timeline, all porn stars get herpes.
	Did I say that?
	Did you say that?
	Did I say that?
	I might have said.
	You should yell at your viewer.
	He's not paying attention.
	Not everybody hears porn stars.
	Mostly all porn stars get tested and stuff like that.
	So most porn stars are herpes.
	Most porn panels don't test for herpes.
	That is true.
	Then a lot of the like they don't test for herpes or HPP.
	The problem is herpes is also like silent most of the time.
	So there's one stud that said like 80% of people have like silent herpes.
	So like probably if this guy's fucked with more than three people, you might have herpes, my guy.
	But I've also heard that that study is not being replicated well.
	So I would take that with like a grain of salt.
	All right.
	Well, he happens to be a urologist.
	Isn't herpes also environmental?
	Did you get it?
	I mean, it has to environmentality.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But that's not with any hat has anything to do with a very different observation.
	Are you talking about breakouts?
	Animals, I just, that's a crime.
	I just want to say.
	What?
	You're talking about the environment.
	What are you going out?
	What are you doing?
	She means like right now, we could.
	The environment doesn't just have to do with the forest.
	Have you been intimate with a coyote?
	No.
	Okay.
	Because I don't practice.
	Maybe that's a reservoir for herpes, is the coyote population in California.
	Do you know much about it?
	I've never even seen a coyote.
	They've been hanging out.
	There's a lot of coyotes in the SFV where the people have come from coyotes, Brian.
	Coyotes.
	I don't know about coyotes.
	And who else has colleges?
	Coyotes, I'll tell you.
	That was some random tears.
	No, no, no.
	Going around the table.
	What is a woman?
	I think we were.
	I think you answered, correct?
	What about you?
	I don't really know how to answer that.
	It's okay.
	You can.
	It's okay.
	I believe that.
	A woman is someone who is feminine.
	And that doesn't mean that, you know.
	A trans woman who's like, looks like Megan Fox, a woman.
	If Megan Fox has a dick, she women.
	But she looks like a woman.
	And she's super feminine.
	She's not a woman.
	Okay, so you don't think women are people who have a woman.
	Well, that's what I was about to say, but I don't think.
	That's why I don't want to get away from it.
	She doesn't want to answer that.
	She doesn't want to get cancer.
	I want XX chromosomes and a vagina.
	Yes.
	Except for hermaphrodites.
	You're not really sure about that.
	Well, I was going to actually ask if, let's say, like, going back to that, if Megan Fox had a dick, would you allow her to compete in women's sports?
	Do you want to open the trans sports conversation?
	Because it's super different than the definition of a question.
	How does that mean?
	We'll get around the table.
	We can get to the sports thing.
	We'll get around the table just after that.
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	Yeah, thank you, man.
	I'm sick of the argument that because there are two separate words, they must be different.
	What the difference, happy, good?
	We all learned a word in elementary to describe this.
	Oh, yeah, synonyms, idiot.
	Okay.
	Huh?
	That's really stupid.
	What if definitionally, definition?
	Jeez, I can't say this word.
	Can anybody definitely say that?
	Definitionally?
	Definition.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	English is my second language.
	That's okay.
	Coyote's reverse, right?
	Coyotes are first.
	Yes.
	Wait, Nala, let's hear Lola.
	That's not exactly what I was going for, but I liked it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Daniel.
	No, but I thought you were referring to the Japanese like last time.
	You're like, Nala, let's hear that.
	Did you think I spoke coyote or some shit?
	I hear you.
	What if definitionally a cohort of people think that or believe that the word woman refers to a female and the word man refers to males?
	Yeah.
	I mean, this is the issue with definition arguments.
	It's like the way that societies come to definitions is super different.
	This is why when people like etymologically, it doesn't mean that nobody fucking cares because that's not how we treat words unless they're like clinical medical words.
	And we got rid of all these words from being clinical medical for the most part.
	So if society as a group decides that a woman is a woman with two X chromosomes exclusively, then everyone's going to function like that way.
	The problem is that it's still not very functional in a society if you've got Megan Fox walking around hiding her dick super well because you're definitely not testing for people's vaginas and X chromosomes when you're just looking around.
	This is why gender is more of a performance and sex is a metaphor.
	No, it is actually useful.
	So here's the truth.
	The truth is, is that society didn't have any problems with this.
	Society's never had any problems with this.
	Nobody was ever confused about who was a man, who was a woman, ever.
	It never came up.
	Ever.
	It never came up.
	Yeah, so much is true.
	I just let him talk the whole time.
	I didn't say anything.
	Let them talk.
	So look, we really didn't have this problem.
	It was not a problem.
	You go back and read books in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s.
	They're not talking about this.
	You read books from the 1800s.
	They don't care.
	Okay?
	It was not a problem inside of society.
	To know who was a female and who was a male, never been a problem.
	What has happened is special interest groups have moved in to the social sciences and have begun to fund studies and have begun to push an agenda in order to make this definition now get pushed out into the ethos.
	And like Kaiology, sorry, like not so everything I just said, right?
	What happens is in the sociological fields, they've already begun changing all of the definitions there, trying to get it to get changed out into the ethos into the commons.
	But you know what?
	We really shouldn't have done that, and they don't have the authority to make that choice for other people.
	So I would, you and I could probably circle jerk about how shit sociology is all day.
	Hold on.
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	Why do trans women mark female on government forms?
	There was a turning point recently where gender and biology combined again.
	Stop acting like I need to partake in and confirm people's fetishes, SMH.
	Yeah, that's the other thing, is autogynophilia and how many of the M2Fs suffer from autogynophilia is definitely a fetish.
	And there's a really big issue when you look at F to Ms as far as like comorbidities of like kind of canary disorders that we would call in their early adolescence, right?
	So when you list criticisms, I'm not so partisan that I wouldn't just grant you all those criticisms.
	The issue for me when we're talking about definitions is A, it's a boring conversation to me, and B, the history that you gave isn't quite correct.
	For example, wifeman etymologically just comes from talking about like the other partner who wasn't the man.
	Like it was just wifeman.
	These also got lots of cultures, for example, that have something like the Fafafine.
	The Fafafine is a third gender that exists in a Samoan culture.
	It's existed for a couple hundred of years.
	And I would agree if you're like, well, that's a case different example.
	The problem is that there is history and dialogue about gender dynamics to some degree.
	It's just the issue is like they didn't have the language that we have now when they talk about it.
	They had the language in the 20s, the 30s, the 40s, the 50s to say, hey, Bill over there, he's not just wearing a wig, right?
	He's a woman.
	They had the language to do that.
	Of course they did.
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	Since condoms do not protect from genital herpes and 60 bodies equals exposure to 12 infected partners, I can promise Nala is a threat to everyone.
	Abdul, get the rocks.
	We found patient zero.
	Oh my God.
	But my other, kind of my other thing is, if you look at what gender is supposed to represent, it has two ends of an extreme.
	So the two ends of the extreme have to be male and female, or gender can't actually mean anything.
	It can't.
	Because a word has to refer to something outside of the word itself.
	It has to refer to something outside of the word itself or it's regressive.
	It's a regressive definition.
	So if you have male on this side and female on this side, that gender is referring to the biology.
	It actually has to be referred to the biology.
	I've already guaranteed you that gender is downstream in biology, but just because two synonyms overlap, it doesn't make them the same word.
	This is why the one person that messaging him was like, joy, good, blah, blah, are all the same word.
	I'm just like, holy shit, I'm really worried about your vocab score.
	We do have a whole bunch of synonyms, but when you actually look into what the words mean, this is why it's really frustrating when somebody says like, maybe joy and happiness.
	They're synonyms.
	They're kind of similar and they overlap a ton.
	And maybe the beginning and ends of joy are all encapsulated with hidden happiness.
	But most people treat joy like a separate word than happiness.
	This is how we engage with these words.
	Okay, so let's just grant that this is true.
	Okay.
	Let's say if I look at a trans woman and say, that's a guy with a wig, and you say, no, it's not, right?
	It's super depend to me.
	Right.
	How am I wrong?
	I guess it would depend.
	Is the person passing?
	Let's just say that they are, but I know.
	Like it's Megan Fox.
	Yeah, let's just say that I know.
	Why am I still wrong, though, to say that?
	Why would that be wrong?
	I would say you're being insensitive.
	Yeah, right, but it's not wrong.
	I would disagree with you.
	I'd say that she's a woman, but at the end of the day, I recognize that you probably won't be defining women the way that I am.
	Right, so this conversation is awesome.
	Yeah, so when we're talking about definitions here, right, then definitionally, if I say that, I'm not wrong.
	Now, if I'm moving back towards you, I think that I have a better case to make for why you are.
	Because I think that when we're talking about biology, right, of male and female, that what I'm saying is far more accurate than what you're saying.
	I would actually say the opposite.
	I would say something like sex is going to be deeply less functional and less accurate because there's, as you probably know, all of those extreme outliers that don't fall well into the sex categories.
	This is why sex is a bimodal function.
	Gender, I think, actually works really well because it explains the function and how we interact with each other.
	If I see somebody walking around with hairy legs, clearly a dick under the dress, and like a beard growing, I'm going to agree with you being like, I probably would respect and be like, I understand what they're trying to perform towards.
	But I would agree with you that you might label them a man.
	I don't understand the sex is a bimodal function.
	Even if that's true, how would that even play in here?
	The reason why it would play in is because you're saying sex is a more accurate word.
	And I'm saying the problem with all of these words is that none of them are hyper-accurate.
	When you talk about a hermaphrodite or people that are born with X-rays chromosomes, but their testes don't drop, they're born with vaginas, they look like women in every single way, but they're functionally men because we don't interact with part of the brain.
	They're pretty accurate.
	They're pretty accurate.
	Like, for instance, it's so accurate, in fact, that any farm animal that's born, you can essentially just take one peek and you know.
	Same thing with human children.
	It's not true of cats, but same thing with human children.
	After Andrew, go ahead, Pixie.
	And the problem is that your definition is not actually reflecting how you're using it in reality.
	You didn't check anybody's genitals in here.
	You didn't check their chromosomes.
	You're making assumptions on their appearance.
	We have to make assumptions in order to use words.
	Exactly.
	Does that have to do with anything?
	Exactly.
	Just one second, then we'll come back.
	It's not a reflection to reality.
	Will straight men never be attracted to a trans woman?
	Probably not.
	But I guess you never know.
	I mean, why do they make so much money in porn?
	That's the thing.
	No man's.
	Our words have they reflect reality.
	Otherwise, they're meaningless.
	And the way that we're doing it.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on, guys.
	Just one at a time, really quick.
	Thank you, St. Reese.
	I have a question related to that that I'll get into in just a sec.
	Let me do one chat before it falls off, and then I'll have you come in, Pixie.
	We had a big papa karma.
	Brian, I'm back with a link because it's a sin to lie.
	This is a public on YouTube, so it's a completely fair game.
	So let's be men and see who's a liar.
	Unfortunately, my friend, you sent me a video that's an hour and 30 minutes long that's called Occult Roots of Feminism with Based Homeschool Mom, aka Rachel Wilson.
	Unfortunately, my dear friend, I'm not going to be able to play this hour and 30-minute long video, but I looked at the title, so go ahead, Pixie.
	Go ahead.
	So the point is, our words have to reflect how we actually use them in reality.
	Otherwise, they're meaningless.
	Otherwise, I can call, you know, you a chair or something like that, right?
	They have to have some reflection on our day-to-day usage.
	So you can say, like, oh no, like technically, like, you know, appearance, it doesn't really matter, but it does matter because that is how we use the word.
	Functional definitions is what matters, a function of how we use it.
	So let's assume that we grant this for a second.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Is a male who identifies himself as a woman who doesn't meet any of the criteria for what you would consider presentation, even though they're trying really hard, is that still a woman?
	I would say societally they fail to present as well.
	Okay, but would you still call them one?
	Personally, I would be respectful towards them, but I would say like you're not presenting.
	But wait, why would you do that?
	It doesn't match up with the reality.
	What?
	Because you can be respectful towards someone, right?
	But still be like, hey, you know, just telling you like there is a non-consensual or not, you're not meeting the basis for a reality requirement.
	So what you're showing me here essentially is that you will use the word that doesn't meet up with the expectation of reality in order to not be a little bit overtly sensitive towards that person.
	However, if I'm using the word which is more descriptive towards that reality, what am I doing wrong?
	I have a question.
	No, answer mine and then ask me.
	No, no, no, I'm going to answer yours through this basically.
	You're going to answer mine by asking me a question.
	You'll see answer my question by asking a question.
	I know, you'll see.
	Just be patient.
	You have called me Pixie, right?
	But that is not my governmental or my real name, right?
	That is my streaming name.
	Yet you still call me by that name, right?
	So even though that name isn't what is happening in reality, you still refer me to a side.
	Pseudonym seems a bit different to me than the conversation.
	The issue with this is that what we're doing is we're what often happens.
	Wait, did you have a did you want to answer Andrew's question?
	Well, yeah, the point that I was trying to get to at the basis of this is that there are multiple scenarios in day-to-day life where something doesn't line up exactly with how reality is.
	But because we're social creatures and we understand that there's nuance, not everything is black and white, we give certain like leverages or leniences towards it.
	So it's not super out there to be like, hey, you know what?
	Like, you know, it's okay to call someone Pixie, even though that's not their governmental legal name.
	And it's okay to say, like, hey, you know, I'm going to call her Stephanie because she likes that name more, you know?
	Yeah, until this is applied in reality, like you're talking about.
	So I can call you Pixie, for instance.
	But if you were to go in and have tests done on you by the government, for instance, can you identify yourself as Pixie?
	What do you mean?
	Do you can you write Pixie and then your last name, or do you have to write your first and last name?
	Is she by the government?
	Do you have to check if you're male and female?
	Yeah, I'm not going to say, I'm not disagreeing with that.
	So my question becomes when it comes to you, so I don't even understand what your point is.
	Well, because there's a difference between institutional uses and interpersonal uses and political uses.
	This is obvious, right?
	So a big problem that happens in all these discussions is we talk about like macro, which is like ideology.
	So you would say, I disagree.
	You probably think trans ideology is super harmful.
	You disagree with all that.
	I'm assuming.
	Correct me if that's true.
	That's true.
	This is an ideological perspective.
	And then you go, well, Kyla, you have this ideological perspective.
	Interpersonally, though, would you respect somebody who you don't think is passing?
	It's like, yeah, of course.
	Just like when your wife asks, like, if something makes her look too fat, you're like, I'm going to be really cautious in the way that I talk about this.
	Or if your wife asks, like, do you think I'm still not your wife specifically, obviously?
	I'm not making a personal attack.
	But if somebody's wife is like, do I still look beautiful?
	And she's like, you know, she doesn't look like she did in her 20s.
	You kind of lie a little bit.
	Interpersonally, you do a lot of things that are polite.
	But obviously, at an institutional level, these are also different, right?
	Acting like all these things must be treated equally is a dishonest way in the way that words are used because words are deeply generative and denominated.
	When we get into things like legislation, how we govern the world and how people actually identify or deal with these things in real time, there's a huge amount of resentment which is built up over the fact that we're expecting to lie about things we know aren't true.
	Just one sec.
	If T women are women, why do they all get offended when being treated by men like a woman?
	Why are a large portion somehow lesbian?
	If I call a trans woman sweetheart, they write rage.
	Fact of mine.
	It's ma'am.
	Which actually, this brings up a great point, which is if it just comes down to identification, it can't just, it can't, because this would create all kinds of issues.
	Like, for instance, if you're sleeping with someone and they identify as the opposite sex, while you were sleeping with them and really meant it, would that make you a homosexual?
	That doesn't, like, that kind of stuff makes no sense on its face.
	The self-ID claims are absurd.
	I'm not using self-ID.
	Okay, but you kind of are.
	We're definitely and definitionally not.
	And this is why so many trans.
	So let's just say that.
	If it's not self-ID, right?
	Then how would you know to identify them as that?
	You're saying in the cases where you can't tell.
	You pretty much always can tell unless somebody is like rejecting the binary in and of itself.
	So a non-binary, for example, you're getting a lot of water.
	I don't think most non-binary people are trans.
	I reject that.
	I don't think they are because I don't think self-D is valid.
	Most non-binary people, you'll look at them and you're like, some of them you can tell.
	And some of them, let's be honest, everyone's had like the super like kind of like bull lesbian come in with a short haircut, super stout, and been like, is that a man?
	Is that a trans man?
	And it's not.
	It's just a woman.
	Because most of the ways that we evaluate each other is on the performance.
	So if they're attempting to pass, if their performance isn't attemptive, I more or less know what they're going for.
	Interpersonally, I would respect that.
	Try to each make your final points on this if you can.
	Hold on.
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	Thankfully, we all agree.
	Arla is a woman and she's fantastic.
	Would one of the females make the hangry lesbian a bowl of rum and then keep it moving because the night football is on?
	Actually, we can linger.
	We can linger on this topic a little longer, but I do want, I don't think we got to your relationship status and you didn't answer the what is a woman question.
	Very quickly, what is your current relationship status?
	I'm single, but I'm looking.
	Or did you answer the relationship status thing?
	Longest relationship?
	Three and a half years.
	How long have you been single?
	About three months.
	Three months.
	Okay.
	I was single when I came on last time, and I'm single now.
	I see.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And then, what is a woman?
	An adult female.
	I learned last year.
	Adult human female?
	An adult human female.
	I see.
	Okay.
	If you guys want to continue, feel free.
	So, anyway, the ultimate point here is this.
	Sure.
	If I say woman and I mean adult female, right?
	And from the Christian perspective, and most religious perspectives, in fact, at least Abrahamic religion, are going to agree with this, right?
	They're going to say, nope, you're not this thing that you're not.
	We're not going to call you that.
	Obviously, it does us harm if we're compelled to do that, right?
	That is causing us harm, whether you like it or not.
	So why should we, A, be compelled to do that?
	I'm not saying that.
	And okay, I'm not saying that you are.
	And B, why is it that even if we were compelled, we shouldn't resist by not doing it on purpose at that point, just to kind of make a political statement and a social statement of like, nope, we're not going to conform to you kind of beating down our religious values here.
	And when it comes to your purposes, when you're talking about the tea question, you're still kind of making the statement that I'm not sure.
	They can kind of be, they can kind of not be.
	So I'd like you to clarify that for me.
	Sure.
	So first of all, I've never argued for compelled speech.
	I ever think it's a violation of the First Rights Amendments, I guess in America is what it's called.
	I don't believe in compelled speech.
	I think at the end of the day, you also have consequences for your free speech.
	So if you choose to call somebody who is clearly trying to perform in every single way as a woman, a man, they're probably going to think you're an asshole.
	And probably like 80% of the population.
	What if you called them male?
	Would that be?
	It would be really weird interpersonally to go up to somebody and be like, hello, male, or like in any way.
	Like most people would again cringe because they know what you're doing.
	They know that you're aesthetically trying to appeal to a political movement.
	So you're allowed to have any political field.
	You're allowed to be an asshole to people.
	You're allowed to politically, in kind of rejection, not use people's pronouns.
	I actually don't believe that this is required at all.
	The issue is, people are also allowed to be like, you're kind of being an asshole.
	I'm going to talk that way just at times.
	So then where do we go then?
	When we're inside of society and you have a Christian-owned business who says, no, we're not going to give you, or make suitable accommodations for your bathroom arrangements, whereas instead you can use this bathroom or this bathroom like everybody else has always done.
	Yep.
	Right?
	I love capitalism.
	I hope your business suffers as a result.
	And if it doesn't, that's great.
	Nothing compelled there.
	No, I'm not really big on compelled speech.
	So this is just a semantic distinction then.
	I would say almost wholly it is excluding things like medical care, right?
	This is why I'm not pro-self-ID.
	Go ahead.
	Can I just throw something in there?
	If you travel to any other country, and this is like my vote for the U.S. doing this, I think it would solve a lot of issues, but a lot of people would agree with me.
	Go to other countries.
	Bathrooms are universal, and the sink is where everyone needs to be.
	Well, it solves all problems.
	I agree with you.
	The fact that we have to worry about men and women's bathrooms, make it universal.
	Sink is in the front where everyone is.
	Well, you know, something I have seen that I object to as a man.
	Oftentimes, when there used to be a woman's bathroom and a man's bathroom, what they end up doing is they'll switch the man's bathroom to an all-gender bathroom, but keep the woman's bathroom a woman's bathroom.
	So y'all are encroaching on the male bathrooms, the men's bathroom.
	I'm very upset.
	Y'all please.
	You're going to know.
	You guys never have bathroom lines.
	Just to be clear, any inconsistent application of things, I'll just side with you.
	Yeah, we shouldn't do those things, obviously.
	It's basically benevolent sexism.
	It's kind of weird.
	When you get into the medical arena here, let's dive into this.
	Okay.
	So what, so you're saying definitely in society, you don't care, right?
	It doesn't matter if my viewpoint is this way.
	You're not going to try to make anything which compels me to do anything opposite to that.
	You don't believe probably I should be deplatformed, for instance, about speaking out against stuff like that?
	Probably not.
	But if you incite hate speech or violence against that, I get it.
	I think that's a distinction.
	But moving into this, on the medical field, what are the things you want to see that?
	What are the things you're wanting to see there?
	Yeah.
	So the things that I would like to see are, for example, no self-ID and a pretty rigorous process by which we determine these things.
	I think I haven't got into any of the neuroscience stuff when it comes to definitions because it's really important to understand how definitions function, but AI has done crazy stuff for leading us forward as far as neuroscience.
	I believe you're born trans.
	I don't believe that this is like a choice or anything like that.
	And I think if you're choosing to be it, you're doing it for political reasons, popularity reasons, or something, probably mental illness specifically related, right?
	It seems to me the case.
	Okay, can we back up just briefly so you don't move into too many things?
	You say that you think people are born trans.
	Absolutely.
	Why?
	So questioning that.
	I would say we have really strong literature showing the historicity of some sort of trans issues going back hundreds of years.
	There's absolutely been these things.
	This is part of where autogynists are.
	That's not good evidence for you being born trans, though.
	Another thing would be charitability, right?
	So I think there's a high level of genetic cohort factors that are associated with being trans.
	There seems to be some level of predictability with estrogen levels.
	Is it born as far as epigenetic versus gestigenic?
	It's probably more in the epigenetic direction.
	Another really big marker that it's probably born in.
	So you're talking about environmental factors impacting this in a great way as well.
	No, epigenetic factors is not environmental factors.
	No, that's not what I asked.
	I asked if you're talking about environmental factors affecting this as well, or if you think it's mostly just a genetic thing.
	I mean, anything mental health is going to be complicated.
	Probably both of these things are playing in, but probably when it comes to trans, more, you need to have like a genetic, it's like a prerequirement, maybe is the best way to say it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You're pre-required to have the gene.
	So let me clarify.
	So I'm not talking about the alcoholic who they have a predisposition towards alcohol, but absent the alcohol, they never become an alcoholic.
	What I'm asking for here is if you think that that particular circumstance of the movement towards the thing is the genetic disposition, or if there's a different genetic disposition where they're actually born with this disposition to want to move into another body or whatever the mental illness is.
	Based on the earliest of where dysphoria seems to emerge, I suspect that it's going to be like probably still epigenetic to some degree, but I'm going to be clear, the literature is still out on this one, on, just to be clear, every single thing to do with the brain.
	So it's a really hard question to answer.
	You mean like the trans brain scans and all that?
	Yeah, sure, the trans brain scans where it's like, are they the same as women's brains?
	And it's like some research said yeah, some said no.
	This is a really unsolved problem, but it does seem highly genetic.
	Starting at three, any sort of like mental thing that begins that early is very suspicious for high levels of genetic involvement.
	So then how come when you see this, when you see this movement, then in other cultures, you see it in distinctly different ways.
	You're pre-programmed, for instance, in the West to be a male who's born and wants to be a woman, wants to be a female.
	Why is it that you respond in a distinctly different way than you would in a different culture?
	In other words, why is it that if you're born Scottish, you don't want to get in a kilt, right?
	This is the question.
	Why do you think that the kilt is in any ways comparable to gender identity?
	Because of presentation, which is what you said, is the mark of gender and ID is presentation.
	So why is it that they always want to present like a Western filled-up girl who looks like kind of a skank on Instagram versus what a woman would look like in Saudi Arabia?
	So do you think trans people just don't exist outside of Western countries?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Are you saying that it's like an aesthetic that they put on?
	Are you telling me that you honestly believe that wearing a kilt is similar to becoming trans?
	Well, what I'm saying is that what I'm saying is that if it's aesthetics that we're looking at, and that's what you claim gender actually is, is an aesthetic presentation towards a thing.
	I didn't say transgenderism.
	Ediology is that thing.
	I said the way that I define gender is performance.
	These are not the same.
	Yeah, but performance is what?
	Isn't that the aesthetic?
	Well, no, the performance is in large part aesthetic, but you're now asking me about etiology.
	Yeah, so what I'm saying is what I'm asking you is how do you know?
	How do you know that the way that these are presented, right, in the West, if you were put in a different environment in different countries?
	Would they become Fafa Fini, like the Samoa?
	Yes.
	Yeah, that's a valid question, but it's not similar to a kilt.
	And I don't think that these things are analogous in any way.
	And we can't pretend like they are.
	The actual thing about Fafa Fine shows, probably the way that they express societally is pretty open up to society.
	But the Fafa Fine or a third gender.
	Yeah, so that ought to put.
	Well, so I mean, just that alone, just that statement, that the environment's going to greatly impact whether or not you even present with the opposition of gender.
	That's not what I've said.
	Okay, well, then why don't you rephrase it?
	Okay, let's go back.
	What is etiology?
	Well, who cares?
	Go back to my question.
	What is etiology?
	No, wait.
	Hang on.
	You're moving back too far.
	The previous statement that you just made was what?
	The previous statement that I said was that the Fafafine express socially in a different way.
	But before that, you said that depending on where you're at in the world, right, you may not even present with this type of gender.
	That is not what I said.
	It is what you said.
	I said that they present as a third gender, but the dysphoria rates are very similar.
	When you rate them on things like dysphoria of body, it rates very similar to Western trans women and trans men.
	They are extremely different.
	In this one culture.
	In the one culture.
	Yeah, in this one culture.
	But that's the same thing.
	But this moves back to the question of like, how do you know that if they're born in what's etiology?
	Okay, not so erudite.
	You're being completely obtuse.
	I'm not being obtuse.
	You are being obtuse.
	Go ahead and explain it.
	Let me explain why I'm asking you this.
	Just to be nice.
	The reason I'm asking you this is because you moved from talking about gender and performance, which is a definitional argument, to then conflating it with an ideological argument.
	Okay, these are not the same.
	Explain it so you feel better, and then we can move on.
	I'm not going to explain it until I feel better.
	I'm going to explain it until we're on the same page because we can't have a good conversation if you're shifting between the lenses of analyzing things.
	Okay, so what is the difference between a performance and an etiology?
	Don't ask me questions.
	Explain them.
	I'm asking you that.
	Don't ask me questions.
	Explain it.
	I don't want to explain it.
	I want to say that.
	You don't want to explain it.
	You just want to ask questions.
	You said I need to explain this concept to you so that you understand it.
	I say explain it.
	You ask me questions.
	I think you're smart.
	Hold on.
	I've explained it three times.
	Explain it again.
	You're very smart.
	Explain it.
	I don't think you're participating in the conversation with me.
	I'm literally asking you to explain it to me.
	Okay, etiology is how something comes about.
	That's when you were asking me about things like epigenetics and nature versus nature questions.
	The other thing, presentation performance, is a semantic definitional conversation.
	We can have both of these, but when you act like they're the same conversation, it's just messaging.
	So how do they get?
	How many genders are there?
	Do we need a list of five on our legal forms?
	Oh.
	Five.
	Five.
	Quadrillion.
	That's crazy.
	TTS did you dirty.
	Yeah, TTS did you dirty.
	Does anybody know what that number is, by the way?
	Anyone care to wait?
	A trillion, maybe?
	There could be infinity.
	A gazillion.
	There could be as many as you want.
	They're socially constructed.
	You just make them up.
	I disagree with that because I think it's a bit of a data.
	Light years.
	As long as you don't believe in self-ID, these things are concretable and you can manage them.
	I don't believe in self-ID.
	I don't think there's cat gender.
	I don't think that there's things like Zesers.
	I think non-binaryism is usually people between transition of becoming trans, or it's a political statement, typically.
	I think that, for example, cat gender, it's just dumb.
	I'm not really interested in it at all.
	What about Dragonkin?
	What is that?
	Dragonkin?
	Do you have any thoughts on Dragonkin?
	Dragons are so cool.
	No, of course not.
	Okay.
	In a serious way.
	No, of course.
	Okay, okay.
	Yeah, so when you're moving back into gender, when you're talking about this, no, not the definition.
	Or the etiology.
	But yeah, now we're talking about the etiology.
	So if we're going to move into this, how it comes to be, okay, would you say that of the same person, we took the same genetics and they were born in like, I don't know, Zimbabwe, right?
	That there's a good distinct possibility that just due to the environment, they may never actually present in this way at all.
	I think that there's a decent chance in like Zimbabwe.
	I think Zimbabwe is highly conservative and maybe Islamic.
	I could be wrong.
	They're probably not going to present in any way because they'd probably get killed and they're probably going to have high levels of mental health conditions.
	Yeah, but you don't know that that wouldn't be the reason.
	I'm saying that if they weren't, if they weren't going to, you know, instantly destroy them, you think that they would come out trying to present as a Western woman or would they try to present as a female in their culture?
	Why would they ever come out as presenting like a Western woman?
	Well, so this is the question moving backwards that I already asked you before, which is if they're coming out, why is it that they only want to present in the way that they see the Western cultural women's mindset?
	It determines the way that we express mental health all the time.
	For example, have you ever heard of, I forget the term of it, it was a disease that went across Japan where men believed genuinely that their dicks were being swallowed by their body.
	Have you heard of this mental health condition?
	Did you want to come in, by the way?
	It sounded like you wanted to come in.
	Someone Google that one.
	I feel like it's just kind of an odd question because it's like it's the same thing with like being gay.
	Like before, how many artists spent every day with someone of the same gender and then goes down in history as their best friend?
	Obviously they didn't come out as gay because the culture they lived in didn't really accept it.
	Let's go ahead.
	Yeah, so if somebody has a mental health condition or something that is predilecting them towards a direction, their society is going to have implication in how that looks and expresses.
	This is why transgender people with very similar markers to Western transgender people are fafa fine in the Samoan culture.
	In the Zimbabwe culture, they're probably really depressed men and women, is my guess, right?
	With high suicide rates at about, oh, sorry, high bad word.
	Deletion.
	Deletion.
	Andrew, before you respond, two more minutes on this.
	We can come back to it later.
	I'd like to take a little intermission interlude so we can maybe ask some other questions, but we can certainly come back to it.
	But if you guys each want to make like a I'll finish by saying this.
	Schizophrenia is a very established, highly genetic mental health condition.
	It is epigenetic in nature.
	It typically gets triggered around 21, and you must have a genetic marker for it, or you'll never have it.
	And you have to have like two to three like major episodes of depression.
	The issue is that the way schizophrenia presents in Western North America isn't the same.
	Hallucinations are often very different.
	The way that they manage the society is very different.
	The way that schizophrenia emerges across societies is varied by the society that they live in, even though schizophrenia itself is a legitimate condition.
	Okay, and I'll finish with this.
	This has not manifested itself in society spontaneously by any metric at all.
	It's been a political activism by LGBTQ groups who are trying to push this forward, who fund the studies into these, they fund the sociological studies.
	I mean, almost all of them.
	They're funded by LGBTQ groups themselves who give these grants to colleges, they give them to schools, they give them to all sorts of different people to do these studies.
	And so what we end up with is results we can't even trust inside of a field where the replication is so bad that in some cases it can only be replicated up to 29%.
	So I have a hard time believing that considering this is only something that even in my own lifetime has come to the forefront, that this is not agenda-based or that people actually have any concerns whatsoever outside of this now political phenomenon as to what a woman or man ever was.
	I don't think that they ever cared.
	We never did.
	You never did.
	Nobody ever did.
	The issue is it can always be both.
	That's the problem.
	It's not like autism spontaneously emerged in the 40s when we made the diagnosis.
	It always existed.
	We just didn't have a categorical name for it.
	These are not the same things.
	Is there an agenda going on of people really trying to push it?
	Yes.
	Is it weird that LGBTQ communities are funding it?
	No.
	Most alcoholism groups fund studies for alcohol.
	Most like depression studies are funded by some sort of really thing.
	But there is a bias that exists.
	The literature on specifically transgenderism is the worst because there's actually two biased groups.
	There's the like very pro-LGBTQ that is like super sassy with their stats.
	And then there's the very anti-LGBTQ that is also sassy with their stats.
	And it is a nightmare trying to manage it.
	There's a couple of groups that are in between that are doing a fantastic job, but most of their data is coming out in like 2024.
	I haven't seen very many of those.
	Yeah, I haven't seen very many of those anti-LGBTQ groups inside of sociology, that's for sure, especially in comparison to the other groups, which are pro-LGBTQ.
	But that aside, letting that be, inside of society, again, you see as our mental health professionals have increased inside of society, you have seen a huge amount of mental health also increase, especially among women.
	Women enter into those fields.
	Suddenly, they're giving descriptors for mental health crises for women all over the place.
	Everybody's on some kind of antidepressant, some type of pill.
	They're on some kind of something that they've been diagnosed with.
	So it's possible that pharmaceutical companies also take advantage of this.
	I would assume that they do.
	I would also assume that inside of the psychological fields, which so many women want to get into, that seems to have something that they're drawn to, that they're attracted to, but you can also see the amount of mental illness of women in society is through the roof.
	So I'm almost wondering if women are chasing their own tail.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	I would ask you.
	Sorry.
	We're going to take an intermission from that conversation.
	will return to it though so if you have any notes we can certainly or any further things to add we can certainly get back to it I have a chat here from Antonio.
	Excuse me, Antenna Boy.
	First time donating.
	Huge fan of Erudite and Pixie.
	Also, I'm a fan of Nala, but obviously for a different reason.
	She's just hot.
	They're hot too, yeah.
	Very hot.
	Pixie, I wish you were more aggressive and less apologetic on these pods.
	You go on.
	You got beauty and brains.
	Talk yo shit, girl.
	Get a girl.
	Okay, there you have it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Antenna Boy.
	Welcome to the stream.
	Appreciate it, man.
	I like that our community is immediately just nice.
	So, okay, pastor's daughter.
	I had a pastor's daughter.
	I have a question.
	Hide that.
	I love that.
	I love questions.
	Donated $200.
	There's no justification for non-essential surgery, especially one as severe and life-changing as trans surgery.
	How can you promote kids doing this, really?
	The lesbian new world order can't be stopped.
	If you guys want 30.
	I don't know where in the conversation I heard anybody talking about trans youth.
	That's so weird.
	It's almost like they just didn't watch the fucking show.
	Well, he actually starts with there's no justification for non-essential surgery.
	Well, that's another issue because you're framing the narrative of whether or not surgeries for trans people is essential or not.
	Sorry, Pixie.
	That's the point you have.
	You had something?
	Well, I mean, is this a response to the TTS or?
	Basically, it would be a response to what's going on right now when it comes to non-essential surgery, which we can get into, but you wanted to read some stuff.
	You know, fuck it.
	I'm just going to say it.
	I'll allow each one of you to make a 30-second point on that TTS.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I personally believe in individual freedom and liberty.
	I think when it comes to surgeries, there should be leniency.
	If people want to get a boob job, then fuck it.
	Who am I to say what you do with your body?
	Some people say, oh, no, this is going to self-harm.
	Are we letting people really self-harm themselves?
	I think there's a lot of data on trans people and how, yeah, these reaffirming gender surgeries do help their mental health, as long as they're in conjunction with also having a supportive network in general.
	So, yeah, I think people should be allowed to get trans surgeries if they want to, generally speaking.
	Andrew, anything on that?
	Yeah, so when you're talking about the performance in society, right?
	What about, do you have any, I just want to ask you this.
	Do you have any duties at all to society?
	Do you personally have any?
	Of course.
	What?
	I don't think I should go and kill other people.
	That's obeying laws.
	No, that's a duty.
	I have a moral duty to not harm other people.
	Okay, so this particular thing that you're talking about, when you're talking about kind of the way that society interacts with like T-surgery, let's say, right?
	I'm trying to be very cautious with my words here so I don't break any DOS, but let's just say T surgery.
	You say, yeah, you know, I think that people should be able to do it if they're allowed to.
	If society gets negative results, most of society gets negative results from that.
	Would you still be for it?
	Can you point to me?
	What are the negative results?
	Yeah, so I'm going to point to you that most of this society, the current society that we're in, are religious.
	And that most of the globe is religious.
	Most of the globe is religious.
	Most of the planet Earth is religious.
	So the negative side effects that come to them, the actual pain and suffering that they experience from having to be part of this delusion is never something you people take into account.
	I have a very simple question.
	If most of the globe was racist, right?
	And you going against this racism, you advocating for equal rights, hurt their feelings really, really badly because they're just ardent racist.
	Does that mean that we now have a duty to also comply in that racism?
	No, but think about what you're saying.
	What you're saying here is that the only reason that you affirm this is because of the consequent, right?
	You think that the consequent is better for society.
	So I could make the argument the same way that you would.
	And say the consequent of non-racism is better for society, you and I would agree.
	Here, the consequent, we're disagreeing about whether or not it's better for society.
	So your argument doesn't make any sense.
	Do you think that it's good to have a society?
	No, no, no, hang on.
	Before you cut in, your argument doesn't make any sense.
	It does make sense.
	Now, how does it make sense?
	I literally listed two reasons, right?
	I say we have a moral duty to try not to harm others, right?
	That doesn't mean that, like, oh no, like my feelings are hurt.
	Now suddenly that's an equal responsibility of hurting another person.
	I think you could see harm when it comes to like suicide.
	I'm sorry, no, no word.
	So if you're talking about that, so again, what you're saying is, right, do this thing for them regardless of the harm that it is to you because it's more harmful to them because they're holding on to the marriage.
	Okay, what is your level of harm?
	That's my question.
	Okay.
	If you see, no, let me just.
	Oh, no, but let's put this very simple.
	Let's use a Petersinger example.
	You see a child drowning in a pond, okay?
	You can go save that child, but as a result, you're going to get your shoes wet.
	And that's kind of harmful to you.
	They're like nice new shoes.
	You know, you don't like the feeling of soggy socks.
	Yeah, this doesn't even work.
	Hey, no, no, listen.
	Listen, please, listen.
	Hey, no.
	Listen, please.
	So here's the deal, right?
	We can all agree that there is a level of like, hey, you know what?
	You might not be uncomfortable with this.
	You know, this might like hurt you a little bit, whatever.
	But you should still do this action because it's a greater moral right.
	Saying, oh no, you're going to feel some level of harm.
	So don't do something is not a good argument for not helping another person.
	That is what the argument is.
	Getting your shoes wet is very different than that.
	Okay, can I ask you?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Let's get these two answers.
	Did you want to go?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but let her go for it.
	Okay, you, then you.
	I mean, it's kind of got past there, but I do think it was interesting to say what's to cite as a reason for harm is that a lot of the world is religious when a lot of almost how many wars were fought for religion, how much pain has been caused because of religion, how many how much war was fought for atheism and secularism the entire 20th century under communism, communists eradicated religion, ruthlessly eradicated religion, was responsible for some of the grossest amounts of the death rate in the 20th century.
	Totally secularist society.
	Totally secular.
	I mean, I think like citing religion as the source of like violence is kind of low resolution because the reality is that it's like ideology, it's the source of wars, right?
	The reason why, like, oh, actually, I shouldn't go into that to bring up the conflict that you probably don't want on your channel right now.
	The reason why lots of people go into war, they might even claim that it's a holy war.
	Half the time it's ideology.
	Half the time it's like groupthink and like out-groupthink.
	So like blaming religion for violence is as empty to me as blaming like atheism for like violence.
	Like any ideology that's taken to an extreme to justify violence is going to lead to violence.
	Religion's one of those, obviously, but so is communism, so is Nazism.
	Yeah, I wouldn't dispute that you can have and have had religious wars.
	Of course you have.
	But this idea that's inside of people's brains that religion is the biggest cause of the conflict that's going on in the world, the 20th century does not bear that out at all.
	That is not what the 20th century should be.
	What did you have?
	I was just going to say.
	There's a lot in today's society of transgender people who do get surgery have come out and said that they really regret it and it really has ruined their lives, and there's been a lot of, you know, of people that are you talking about like detransitioners.
	I mean yeah detrans detransition, I don't know, they were born that way, though right, and they come out and say that you know they, they come out that the LGBT community or the Trans community, what percent think detransition?
	What percent do you think detransition?
	Honestly, I couldn't give you an example, we don't know, take a guess, take a guess.
	Or you don't say like four, five percent right super, super small, it's less than that, but it's less than that.
	It's less than one percent typically yeah, but what is the percentage of people who identify as trans, who transition at all?
	Right exactly, sorry all that.
	What is the percentage of trans who transition at all?
	Self-id trans quite high actually, not self-identified, isn't it one percent?
	It's one percent of the population is trans.
	No, one percent is trans.
	The number of people who do end up transitioning is significantly higher.
	They oh, it's wait, not all can afford medically transitioning.
	Wait wait wait wait, all attempts.
	So one percent of the population is trans, but a higher percent of the population?
	No, within the one percent.
	I almost said I thought you were saying it's not even that within one percent.
	No, let's say 80, transition of the 80.
	Okay, I have a question.
	Okay, last thing on this last thing.
	Last thing goes, yeah, do you think that um, transition surgeries should be funded by you know the she's can?
	I'm Canadian, so i'm probably gonna have a slight.
	I'm definitely pro-universal health care.
	Um, I am for it, but not as it currently exists as far as vetting right now.
	So I wouldn't like put a hold on it necessarily, but there's a lot of really good research being done in especially a lot of European countries to ensure that the people that are applying and getting the surgeries actually need it.
	Because one thing I will say that is extremely important to cite here is that a very well replicated finding is that when people adults transition, there is a reduction of suicide attempts by over 70 percent.
	It is a massive drop and there, before anyone says, The pediatric studies on that didn't replicate as far as, like conversion therapy working.
	Just remind you, use that word lives or something.
	I don't care.
	No, We're going to take an interlude.
	We'll come back to it if you guys want to.
	So, you guys like puppies?
	Only trans puppies.
	You mentioned at the beginning.
	Cats that turned snowies.
	Nala, you mentioned at the beginning you describe yourself as the Ahi Gao queen.
	I think.
	What is that?
	So I've been watching anime for a long time now, and I'm fascinated by the culture of Japan and what they do with the characters.
	And I feel like it's just so different.
	And so basically, the Ahego face to me is like the cum face.
	Like you're just in so much fucking pleasure, you're just going to like burst your brains out.
	Like for me, I just love the path, like the look.
	I just love it.
	And what is the no, it's a good thing.
	It's more like a Christian.
	No, it's like a Christian looking at me like he's so disappointed.
	Has anyone done the Ahego face to you?
	Uh-oh.
	Wait, he's a married person.
	Wait, is this a whatever podcast?
	Has your wife ever done that?
	I don't even know what it is.
	It's like just like that cross-eye side.
	Oh, God.
	It's even better than going scroll and shit.
	Into the camera.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	It's even better when you get a hold of it.
	And wait, what is the uwu?
	It's just like an anime word.
	It's just like, what is the difference between the two?
	Uwu is like cute and like little, like it's like kawaii.
	It's very cute.
	Yeah, it's kawaii.
	Are there different versions?
	Are there different versions of the ahigao?
	Okay, they're kind of all.
	The main thing is like just crossing your eyes up and out kind of thing.
	And oh, it's almost like rolling your eyes in the back of your head because it's just like, fuck.
	You know?
	And then what's the other version?
	The other.
	I don't know.
	I feel like, so some people like really judge me for this.
	I really don't give a fuck.
	But it's like you're just going insane.
	Like, for me, it's like I'm so passionate about a lot.
	Like, all I can do in that moment is just, ah, you know, I'm not even being fucked right now.
	And it's like, ah!
	You know?
	It's like excitement, pure excitement.
	What are you doing?
	Like, why are you worried about us?
	I'm so disturbed by all of this.
	I love that.
	This is okay.
	How uncomfortable on a scale of one to 10.
	And it's just creepy, right?
	It's just creepy.
	I don't know if it's creepy.
	In the moment, it's not creepy.
	Okay.
	In the moment.
	Maybe with an intimate partner, it's not creepy, but I'm sure it's not.
	There's a lot of men.
	It's not.
	Oh, there's so many.
	And I've introduced so many people to it.
	They're like, it's like you don't know what to do, but like you're making them go insane.
	Like that girl is going insane with what you're doing to them.
	That's hot.
	It's like fucking this girl into oblivion right now.
	Like, fuck.
	Like, she's losing her sanity.
	Ah, that's just so cool.
	All right.
	It's good.
	So, just really quick on the whole pastor's daughter thing.
	Let's go back.
	What changed?
	Like, was there a precipitating moment?
	My mom.
	Like, was there some moment where you just snapped or something?
	Oh, no.
	So, honestly, I was so, I felt so alone being a Christian.
	I felt so like being a pastor's daughter, you're looked up to by not only the church, but your family standards are so high.
	And it felt just like the most like the biggest cage I've ever been in in my life.
	What do you mean, the family standards?
	My family standards.
	Oh, you're familiar.
	So being extremely modest, but not like wearing like pencil skirts, stuff like that.
	No makeup.
	It was just, you know, being very modest, you know?
	You're representing the church kind of.
	It's different.
	Do you feel like that had an impact on like you joining OnlyFans and like you?
	Because I'm not directed.
	I'm not a Middle Eastern family and like my culture was very, very, you know, like against all of that.
	And I feel like it did have something to do like being OnlyFans.
	Is it rebellious?
	So for me, I was like sneaking out of my house at like 4 a.m. after I was like a pastor's daughter.
	I went through this super rebellious stage of like, just like, I was like, fuck, I just need to get out.
	Like, and it had nothing, it had nothing to do with OnlyFans.
	I probably stopped being a pastor's daughter around like 18, I think.
	And I just, I'm so hyper-sexual that my path had, I just felt like my path had something to do with my sexuality.
	No matter what it was, okay, I take that back.
	I would not go be a stripper.
	I would never want it.
	I never thought or saw myself as that.
	What would be the distinction, though?
	There's such a big distinction.
	One, it's all online.
	Two, they never see you in person.
	You know, like it's all online.
	You get to chat with them online.
	You send them to them.
	But I mean, it's the same principle.
	You're just taking off your clothes for money, right?
	Oh, absolutely.
	I'm not.
	Is it like a safety?
	It is.
	The biggest thing for me was like, you know, I'm doing this from the comfort of my own home.
	And I actually like enjoy this so much.
	It gave me so much freedom.
	I can't even tell you.
	Like, the person I become now is so much of a stronger person than I would have ever been.
	So it's all for you.
	Yeah.
	Who else would it have been for you?
	Piggybacking off of me.
	This is just something that I see all the time.
	Well, yeah, but who else would have been for me?
	Well, every girl that I've talked to so far here at this podcast, it's always me, Also, me, you know, relationships.
	No, I don't think so.
	I think, I think that we don't know each other.
	So, Andrew, you are literally on here, right?
	Your brand.
	Scoot your mic.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's all about.
	I'm not trying to talk about my dog on here.
	No, that's not what I'm talking about.
	I'm talking about your choices, not about this stream.
	I'm not talking about you.
	I'm not going to make my choices for some big, extravagant reason.
	It's not like I have this big, dramatic story where I was like, I was trying to save someone and I needed the money for it.
	No, it was for myself.
	It was a huge freedom to do whatever I wanted.
	I now have financial stability as a female.
	I don't need a male.
	You know, there's just so many things.
	I have a question about that, though.
	So now that, okay, because I understand the piece of like, okay, financial freedom, and you got to that place.
	You're at that place now.
	Why?
	And I want to ask this question respectfully.
	Why still do it?
	Well, why do you not think that there's other things for you to do now?
	But there is.
	I've been doing it for the last like year and a half.
	I picked up Japanese weapons training, martial arts, boxing.
	I do fight scenes.
	I do cosplay.
	Like, what is it that I don't do?
	I snowboard, I ski.
	I'm like, I do everything, which I'm all for.
	Like, I don't volunteer, but I'm like more nurturing in different ways.
	Anyone who comes in my life is a lot of fun.
	So it's all just pure self-gratification, right?
	What else is life about?
	I feel like I feel like that's the key point.
	Hang on, Brian, real quick.
	That's the key point.
	Did you, when I asked you, it's all about self-gratification.
	And you say, what else is life about other than self-gratification?
	No, no, no.
	I feel like life is about finding true peace and joy.
	Like, I feel like that's what it is.
	Then why was your first response to say, what else is life about except self-gratification?
	I didn't say self-gratification.
	You did.
	I think it's truly about happiness and happiness.
	Well, what is happiness?
	Japanese, my bow staff.
	No, I mean, for you, what is happiness?
	Happiness is self doing things you like, right?
	That's what makes you happy.
	Not even things that I like, but it's like, do you volunteer?
	And you were like, I nurture people.
	Anyone who comes around me, like I said, I nurture them.
	And I feel like I have a duty to do that as a female to nurture anyone that comes in my presence, anyone who walks in my home.
	I help people online.
	Like, if I watch people's TikTok stories, I love to go gift.
	I'm a complete stranger.
	That's all for you, though, right?
	Well, I don't think so.
	Here, let's not linger too long on that.
	You were saying, you mentioned something.
	Well, I'm piggybacking off something I think you said.
	Those of you, those of the girls here at the table who do OnlyFans, what do your parents think about it?
	Do they support you?
	Do they not support you?
	Actually, and why don't we start with you and move this way?
	Go ahead.
	No, not at all.
	They're not.
	Well, do they know?
	They don't know?
	So they don't know.
	I think my mom picked up on it and she knows, but she doesn't want to admit it.
	But I think, like, once I go to Dubai or something, it's a deal breaker.
	Like, I am deleting my account.
	Like, it's gone because it's just something that I don't think will ever, I think I'll be disowned from my culture.
	Wait, so, but hold on.
	When are you going to Dubai?
	In a couple months.
	In a couple months.
	So your parents don't know.
	Do you have any siblings?
	Do they know?
	Yeah, my brother knows.
	They know?
	Is there any fear that they might tell your parents?
	Wait, are your parents currently living in the U.S. or the UAE?
	So my parents are living in the U.S., but my mom's in Dubai right now.
	I see.
	Okay.
	What would, I mean, would your parents just, you said they would disown you if they found out?
	My mom wouldn't.
	I think she would understand.
	And with my dad, it doesn't really matter what he thinks, honestly.
	Obviously, I care about what he thinks, and I know that it will affect him.
	And I'd never want to do that.
	And I think that if they can't understand me, that's okay.
	And I'm not, you know, I'm an adult.
	Oh, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no.
	Oh, and did you say, was it your family that is Muslim or is it, are you Muslim too?
	My family is Muslim.
	Okay, I see.
	I am Muslim.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Is there any like safety ramifications for you in any way?
	Yeah.
	When you're talking about that.
	Because, yeah, you said you're going to delete your stuff, but I mean, the internet's forever.
	So yeah, it is forever.
	And I'm okay with that.
	And it's just about me, like, you know, moving on.
	In a way, because I don't plan to do it forever.
	Obviously, people will find out.
	And obviously, people have found out.
	And that's okay with me because in a way, if it was just me, I would not give a fuck what anybody thinks.
	Like, I would be okay with not ever seeing anyone.
	It's just my family.
	Like, my mom.
	Honestly, it's just my mom.
	I have a very close relationship with my mom, and I don't ever want to hurt her reputation because in our culture, reputation is everything.
	Your family name is everything.
	And especially in the Middle East, when you go over there, no one will talk to you.
	No one will marry you.
	No one will, you know, be friends with you.
	And honestly, I don't give a fuck because if you can't accept me for who I am, then that's fine.
	But do you think that's a good trade?
	It sucks.
	But do you think it's a good trade in order for you to pursue your OnlyFans career to potentially lose the support of your family or connection with your family?
	It sucks.
	I think it's very because I know what I'm doing is not particularly, you know, if I could choose a different path for myself, then, you know, I would.
	And I plan to, you know, move on from it, but I don't care.
	I love what I do at the end of the day.
	Like, I love what I do, and I would never regret it.
	No, no, no.
	But I don't regret what I do, but I did it.
	And I'm planning on, you know, the only reason I did it, though, is so I could pursue other things I love and in the future and have enough money to support myself and pursue the things I love.
	Sure.
	So, what about you?
	Do your parents know?
	Do they supportive, not supportive?
	I tried to keep it secret for three days.
	I got doxxed and they sent it to my entire extended family.
	That was quick.
	That was quick.
	Wait, and I had a question.
	I mean, I.
	And you, hold on, let me just double-check my notes here because I don't want to get this wrong.
	You said that in your pre-show notes here, you said that your sex life is your business.
	ATP?
	What is ATP?
	At this point.
	Oh, at this point.
	I see.
	Are you involved besides OnlyFans?
	Do you do escorting at all?
	I do not do escorting.
	What's that?
	I don't do escorting now.
	No escorting?
	No, I've done like Dom work.
	I've done like cuck holding.
	I've done other things.
	Because for me, I'm very.
	So I know for some girls like her, and that's completely valid.
	It's like it is a lot of money at a young age, and you can use that as something to transition to other things.
	For me, I just, I love sex work.
	I love the woman in it.
	I'm passionate about, I think sex work should be decriminalized.
	I just, I have a notch on the belt mentality.
	So for me, I want to try almost basically all types of sex work.
	Yeah, and you describe yourself on your Instagram, I think, wholesome type 1 diabetic, top 1% creator on OnlyFans.
	Wholesome.
	I feel like that's a bit of an oxymoron.
	Wholesome porn star.
	Wholesome.
	I think that's the point.
	That was the point of my life.
	Oh, I see.
	I see.
	I see.
	That's a joke.
	Sure.
	I think on your Twitter, you describe yourself as a financial dominatrix cuckoldress and sexual healer.
	So, yeah, I do have like alternate accounts and do other things.
	I think, because, yeah, like I said, notch on the belt mentality.
	I think it's fun to just try all different types of sex work.
	Okay, and there's a $25 initial fee and then the $100 unblock fee.
	What's the unblock fee?
	If I block you and you want to keep talking to me, you got to send me $100 in my cash app with your username in the notes.
	Oh, this is like a Finn Dom type of thing.
	I see.
	Okay, I see.
	No escorting at all because there are like people sending me messages claiming I don't know, claiming you do it.
	I mean, because I've, well, like, cuck holding certain things I've done in person.
	Like, I've pegged men.
	I've done, what's it called?
	Cuckoo.
	Like, the cuckolding.
	For both.
	For both.
	Yeah, like, I've had like this guy who would like to, like, he wants me to make my feet stink and then watch my boyfriend fuck me and smell my feet.
	How much does that cost?
	A couple thousand.
	A couple thousand?
	How do you, how does one make their feet stinky?
	Do you just don't have to do that?
	No socks in old sneakers.
	Okay.
	It's not fun, but you know.
	And on your Twitter, we're not going to pull anything up, but you said that you want cucks.
	Is that, I think you made a tweet, something about you want cucks.
	I mean, I haven't had a man to do it with recently, but my ex-boyfriend liked to do that type of stuff.
	And he was a cuck in himself, too.
	Yeah.
	So when, and a cuck, is that a guy who just, while you would have sex with somebody else, he'd be in the corner crying type of thing?
	Well, so I don't know how explicit I can get on here.
	Like my ex-boyfriend liked to like eat the condom smell out of me type of thing.
	I had two boyfriends at a point too.
	He liked to watch me and his homie.
	Like that's why I say relationships are defined by the people in them.
	And you gotta remember.
	Just like there's a cruel thing in this draw, a bunch of men things.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You guys would be surprised.
	You'd be so surprised if you like me.
	Oh, yeah.
	I just think.
	Stop it.
	Go ahead, Nala.
	You know what's crazy?
	I know, not personally, but I know of a lot of males who want to eat out a girl who's been cumbed in by another.
	And that is such a kink, and that's like there's men who want to get fed their own cum.
	Like, there's a lot of different things because I'm not.
	Okay, I like to start like, I'm not kink shaming nobody.
	I feel like I don't get it.
	I'm sorry, Andrew.
	I'm sorry, Andrew.
	And think about it.
	This is what men will publicly like and then what men will like.
	And they're just telling us how boring he is, okay?
	Like, men will publicly like certain things.
	I'm like, I'm okay with being boring if the opposite of it.
	Trans girls are some of the highest paid and porn.
	You know, six with dicks, that's one of the highest paid and porn.
	Big beautiful women, they're one of the highest paid and porn.
	Like certain things men don't publicly like to their friends, but because they're not.
	BBWs are the highest paid?
	I said not highest paid, but trans girls make insane amount of money.
	Really?
	Insane.
	Like some of the biggest on only.
	And so it's like that repression that kink.
	Oh my god, my friends wouldn't like that.
	If anything, it makes that fetish stronger.
	Like with the pastor's daughter thing or Catholic school girl.
	It's hype.
	The repression makes things stronger.
	Oh, my friends would think I'm so broken.
	In your dating life, you prefer a boyfriend who's a cuck.
	I didn't know I liked it until I had it.
	Okay, all right.
	So each their own, you know, all right.
	You also said, you also said, though, you're done tricking on men 2023.
	What does it mean to trick on a man?
	Is that a matter of time?
	I've had a feminine boyfriend before.
	Like, I can, for me, like, here's the thing.
	It's what she said is what I've learned: I didn't mind looking out for him to a certain extent, but so many men feel demasculized by it, even if you're not directly demasculizing them.
	The fact of girls taking care of them all the time makes a man feel weird.
	Right.
	But for me, if a man like loves and accepts me and understands me, if he is a cuck, that's fun.
	And certain things, then I don't mind tricking on you.
	But then I've kind of learned I can't do it because it doesn't seem to pan out well because at the end of the day, they feel demasculized.
	For the unknowledgeable, what is tricking on them, man?
	Spending money.
	Oh, so you would like to be like a sugar mama type of thing?
	It can be fun.
	If a guy is, and I think it's attractive if a man can still feel like a man while doing that.
	That's so hot.
	It's so hot.
	You're like, okay, daddy.
	Like, I'm literally like cooking for you.
	Like, I'm here for you.
	I'm also like putting a roof over your head and you are literally still the man.
	You can choke me, slap me, fucking bend me over.
	And I'm like, that's daddy.
	Yeah.
	It's fine.
	It's nice.
	It's so nice to be like, spend your money on things that, you know, you want, but like, especially if you care about someone, you're like, damn, it's yours anyway.
	I got to raise my hand real quick on this one.
	Are you simping on the dudes?
	Like, you're spending money on the dudes?
	I like it.
	Yeah.
	I like taking care of.
	Like, I feel like I'm a nurse.
	Where's the fitness nala super chats on the whatever podcast?
	That's what I'm wondering.
	Okay, go ahead, Alexa.
	No, I was going to say, here's the thing.
	And like, just say it, just say, God being the oldest woman at this table.
	What you said?
	Or wait, how old are you?
	29.
	Okay.
	Second oldest woman at this table.
	Sorry, we're up there.
	Compared to the others.
	Did you just assume my gender?
	I mean, my age.
	My performance.
	My apologies.
	I'm 34.
	Performative.
	I just saw the flannel.
	I just made assumptions.
	It's one of those things.
	Like, I get like, girls, make your money, do your thing.
	I'm all for a woman taking care of herself, and I support that.
	But at the same time, like, as time goes on, you don't want to be the mother of your partner.
	Like, that's the thing you have to know.
	And it's like, I love a strong man that can take care of me.
	I can take care of myself.
	I've been taking care of care of myself since I was 16 years old.
	Not because I want to, just the reality of what it is.
	And that's fine.
	Can you scoop that?
	Sorry, yes.
	But it's one of those things also, I think, that there's like this very weird contradiction of like, be a boss, babe, do these things.
	But at the same time, when you do it, like, you it can demasculize men.
	In this position, it's like there's a balance between saying, like, be your own person, support yourself, make as much money as you can.
	I'm all for that.
	But at the same time, like, don't mother your partner.
	It's not attractive over time.
	And this is the thing: once you might like that in the beginning, you might want to sip on a man.
	That's your choice.
	But as the years go on, I'm going to tell you right now, there's a lot of strong women in my family, and they're the breadwinners, they're the caretakers.
	And like, it's embarrassing to say, but like, my cousin and I, when we were 12 years old, we saw the women in our family being everything.
	And we're like, if this is what marriage is, we don't want this.
	Why would you want to be everything?
	I mean, like, if you're taking care of kids, because then you could just be single and take care of yourself and like a pet, you know?
	Like, you want a man to be a man.
	There's a man that could be taken care of and is going to, like, you know, talk about sitting on the couch playing video games and doing nothing.
	And there's a man who, like, okay, a lot of women can recognize if a man was taking care of you, you would have room to explore other interests, build other households, and do other things.
	So if the man is taking that you are the breadwinner as a reason to do more with his time or do more with the money you you make or help you make money or help you grow your business, that's one thing.
	But just sitting back and being like oh, she's got it, so I'm just gonna do nothing all day, and that is a boy and a man.
	All right no, but it's also like you yeah yeah yeah cool cool okay cool, um.
	So just to finish off with my questions for you um let's oh, the parent one, yes yeah um, you do.
	Only fans as well.
	Do your parents know?
	Supportive, not supportive.
	So my mom knows she.
	I actually just told her about the OnlyFans.
	She's been known that I'm a dancer since I started.
	My stepdad knows I'm a dancer, but he doesn't really.
	He doesn't know about the only fans just because he has a pretty antiquated view on.
	You know, the internet's there forever and safety and stuff like that.
	So he doesn't really.
	When you say antiquated view, what do you mean?
	I think it's just a Boomer slash Gen X perspective, that's what.
	What perspective is that?
	That you?
	What is the antiquated perspective?
	Yeah, that you shouldn't post that stuff on the internet, just that.
	Are you know?
	Yeah yeah yeah, I guess that would be antiquity, and is that antiquated, or is that I mean I would?
	It's definitely more common amongst older populations.
	Wait so, do you?
	Your parents?
	Do they know that you're?
	They said they know that you dance, or yeah, so they both know that I dance.
	My mom knows that I do only fans.
	My biological dad does not know either.
	That, as far as okay.
	And is your mom?
	Is she supportive?
	Yes, she's all about me making my money.
	She's, she's all about you making your money.
	Uh, what about your dad, biological dad or stepdad, both?
	Um well, my stepdad also doesn't really care.
	As long as i'm safe.
	That's like the main thing for him, and the same thing for my mom.
	But you know he's also wants me to be self-sufficient and stuff like that.
	So that's like really their main concern is my self-sufficient, self-sufficiency.
	Couldn't you be self-sufficient, though without um it's a lot more difficult.
	So I did, like you know, as a young person, the only options that I have, you know, for a job is entry-level stuff, and then also like fast food work and stuff like that.
	I could work my way, you know, as a manager in a fast food restaurant, but that's really the highest up position that I could get.
	And then Nala uh, I mean, I think You maybe talked a bit.
	So, my dad, both all my entire family knows.
	My mom and I don't speak anymore.
	She's very religious, conservative.
	We've never had a good relationship throughout my entire life.
	It didn't even matter when I was a pastor's kid.
	My dad found out and everything very just supportive of me.
	He is still a Christian.
	He loves me.
	Me and my dad have had a really good relationship throughout the years.
	I financially support my family because they're retired now and have like kids who have kids.
	And like my nieces and nephew need things sometimes.
	So I love to give money to my family because you know I have it and they're still part of my family.
	Like I care about them.
	So even if I didn't speak to them, I wouldn't care.
	Like I made the decisions I made and I'm being very smart about it.
	And obviously I know that OnlyFans is not the end result.
	I went to college to be a dental hygienist and I worked in an orthopedic office scheduling surgeries and stuff.
	I had big girl jobs with big girl benefits that didn't pay the bills.
	So I'm like, listen, I have huge pursuits like snowboarding.
	Snowboarding's fucking expensive.
	I want to be tutored in Japanese.
	That's expensive.
	Like I wanted things that I couldn't achieve with a normal job and like something that men think that I should be doing, you know?
	So me pursuing this OnlyFans career gave me so much freedom to expand as a human being.
	And I was like, wow, like this is what I want to do.
	And again, this won't last forever.
	Just get a curiosity.
	You couldn't have gone snowboarding and learned Japanese without doing OnlyFans.
	What I was telling you is that it costs money that I didn't have doing things like being a surgery scheduler, working like I, like I said, I went to college.
	Like I got my little degree and everything, and that got me nowhere.
	Especially with this economy right now.
	It's so bad.
	I could not live in California doing what I did.
	Absolutely not.
	It's so bad.
	And then I was like, I had to get a second job as a female who doesn't have a boyfriend to, you know, I wasn't being supported by anyone.
	So I was like, okay, you know what?
	I think I'm really good at a present, having a presence online.
	And I pursued so much.
	I don't just do OnlyFans.
	And OnlyFans is really like my content for OnlyFans has slowed down so that I could pursue bigger things that led me down different financial routes.
	So again, this was a starter, not an ender.
	Can I ask one question about to all the girls that do OnlyFans?
	Because Lord knows y'all make a lot of money.
	And I'm going to be honest, sometimes I make jokes at work and I'm like, I work an obscene amount of hours to not make anywhere near as much money.
	But there is a part of me that's also wondering, like, you, like you said, you can't do this forever.
	No.
	And when you go back into, let's say, civilian life, you're going to look at everything and be like, I'm not going to accept any of this because you're going to make an eighth of what you made.
	So it's not about that.
	What I'm trying to do is making that much money.
	I'm not going back to it.
	I'm a normal person.
	No, you're smart.
	But that's the whole point.
	If you're smart, not every girl is not.
	No, they're not really.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	I think, I mean, perhaps you don't have any history on Nala.
	Nala, let me ask you a question.
	If you wanted to retire today, could you?
	Million percent.
	I could have retired a year ago.
	So it's, I mean, you're not familiar with Nala, but I think asking her that specific, granted, there are women who do OnlyFans who they will face that challenge, but I think Nala here is an exceptional woman.
	You're an exception.
	Well, it's just so much more about growing yourself as a person and not just growing and making content and taking pictures of yourself.
	That doesn't help you do anything bigger.
	And then when you're making this much money as such a young person, you're like, wow, this is the time to be an adult.
	You need to set up for your future self.
	Like you need to think of like the future Nala and be like, you know what?
	She'd want to be comfortable too.
	And she would want to continue sending her parents money.
	I know that for a fact because I don't feel like I'm changing anytime soon.
	You know, so that was the biggest purpose of this.
	And I felt so steady in my decision making through this and financial just like maneuvering.
	I'm so thankful that I did what I did.
	I have a quick, just a quick question.
	If your parents, if you went to your parents and you asked them, you said, you know, I have a choice.
	I can either quit doing all of this tomorrow, right?
	And go get a job for like a tenth of this, or I can continue to do this and send you money.
	Which one do you think they would ask?
	My mom would say, absolutely quit.
	My dad, he'd be like, oh my God, no.
	Why would you ever quit?
	Your dad would say that?
	My dad would say that I send money to my dad so that he can be comfortable with their family.
	No, he's not a pastor anymore.
	They stopped being a pastor when I was like 18.
	Okay, but he was and he retained his faith, right?
	He did.
	He did.
	I'm his daughter, though.
	You know, I'm not just some stranger.
	He's like, you know what?
	I find you.
	Doesn't that make it worse?
	Like, what do you think?
	Don't you have to accept your kids for who they are?
	What?
	And so you know.
	So wait, wait, wait.
	Guys, one mic at the time.
	Are you just saying that?
	Like, let's just say.
	Hang on, I'll answer the question.
	If you had a kid and they were doing OnlyFans, what?
	You just disown them because they're doing a bad decision.
	Until they clean their life up, yeah.
	You're a bad person.
	Wow, that's fair to do.
	Absolutely.
	100% disowned.
	100%.
	What about you're a bad kid?
	No, okay.
	We're allowed to make a bad idea.
	Guys, guys, guys, please.
	One person speaking at the time, go ahead.
	You can think your kid is bad.
	Go ahead.
	You can think your kid is bad and disagree with their life choices, sure.
	But as a parent, you're supposed to be like a guiding figure and a loving figure.
	And part of that is not abandoning them in their time of need.
	And if you want to talk about Christianity, if you want to talk about Christianity, if you want to talk about like God and Jesus and the countless stories there are in the Bible, like still accepting.
	I got to respond to this.
	I got to respond to this.
	Okay, listen.
	First of all, let's dive into this just a little bit.
	Okay.
	My daughter calls me up and she's like, hey, dad, you know, I'm still going to be doing OnlyFans, but I'm kind of thinking about not doing it, right?
	I would say, yes, absolutely.
	Don't do it.
	In her situation, she's like, no, he would totally be cool with it.
	You're saying you would disown your child.
	You're saying you would say, be gone, child.
	That was the context.
	The context is, until what?
	The context was a decision.
	The question was straightforwardly asked.
	If you found out your daughter had OnlyFans, what would you do?
	And I suppose.
	Until she cleaned up, I would not be participating with her or allow her in my life.
	It's probably easier to disown her.
	Why is that awful?
	Because you're not supporting your child.
	Yeah, I'm not supporting you.
	You don't have to support what you're doing, but you shouldn't disagree with her.
	I don't even face consequences.
	But decision doesn't make them as a whole, though.
	You all know better.
	You literally told me you know for sure what you're doing is bad and you're just going to do it anyway.
	And then you're like, dad, support it.
	It's crazy.
	Who said it's bad, though?
	That's crazy.
	Even what Nala said, she said her dad doesn't support.
	She might not support what she does, OnlyFans, whatever.
	But he's like, you know what?
	You're my daughter.
	And if that's what you want to do with your life, that doesn't make any sense.
	Yeah, but I'm saying, yeah, go fucking do that.
	But are you sure that this isn't?
	But I love you and I'm still going to be in your life.
	Are you sure that's not just Cope?
	Because the same thing could happen to you?
	Well, that's not true at all, though.
	Yeah, isn't it, though?
	Isn't it really Cope?
	You're just upset because your parents might actually do this to you.
	They might make you feel the consequences.
	Well, then let them.
	And then what?
	You're just an individual kid without parents.
	So if you don't care if they disown you, why would you say you're a bad parent?
	No, no.
	I don't care if you're a kid.
	I call you a bad parent.
	One out of him.
	Whatever.
	Do you think your daughter would care if you abandoned her?
	You're abandoning an adult.
	You're not going to own her.
	An adult?
	Yes, you cannot.
	There is no age that you can not abandon yourself.
	You're stuck with your kids when they're 60 and making bad choices.
	You don't have to say that.
	Nobody said bad decisions.
	No, no, you don't have to say you don't have to say every decision they do is good.
	You don't have to support every decision they do, but that is very distinct than disowning your own child.
	And I hope we can all agree.
	Do you know what a limit is?
	Yeah, you're allowed to have a lot of people.
	You're so emotional and be logical for five years.
	I am being careful.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	For me, so my mom, she's extremely Catholic.
	She grew up in the Philippines, like the only place where divorce is illegal.
	And her, when she first found out, obviously there was a stagnation in our relationship more than donated.
	You'll go right after this.
	Alexa, the only sane one, as a tech PM, do you think big tech censors Brixon because he redirects real debates to get into six-way of 304 fest fights, then complains is part of it?
	He disagrees.
	Fights.
	Wait, what?
	What?
	Do you think big tech censors Brian because he redirects real debates to get into six-way OF 304?
	He's criticizing you for stopping the debates to be like, anyway, it's back to pastor's daughter.
	That's what he's saying.
	We just needed a radio.
	That was it.
	We're going back to it though.
	Part two is coming.
	What was going on, Omar?
	Like I said, we'll do a little intermission and we'll come back to it.
	We can't talk about one talk about it.
	Time permitted, of course.
	And obviously, if it was just a debate with you and Andrew, that'd be fine.
	But I do want to try to re-explain it.
	I have a big question though.
	For me, it's like, what if you committed adultery against your wife and then your kid found out about that and disowned you?
	Should my wife abandon me?
	Should my wife abandon me when I commit adultery and do something she doesn't want to do?
	I'm talking about the daughter.
	No, no, answer my question.
	Hang on.
	This is a perfect question with a question.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So I'll answer, then you answer.
	So the answer is yes, I would.
	Sorry.
	I did say that she could go, so I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	So I was saying is, I feel like, so me and my mom, we were dissent, you know, at a point when she found out.
	But then I feel like as a mother, like, she just understands one from her for a Catholic perspective, it's not mine, it's that everyone has their own sins.
	She has no place to judge me because she has her own things.
	And then the other thing is, she noticed, like, when we're talking about bad life choices and your kid coming back when their lives cleaned up, my mom realized I was always just on a better path when I had her love in my life.
	Like when I was distant from her, then I was going further into things that she didn't want to see me in because just having your parents' love is just kind of motivating.
	Having your parents' acceptance, any goal you have of your kid just doing better for themselves will be easier when they know that their parent loves them.
	Even if you know, I don't support this, I don't want to hear about this, but I still love you.
	Maybe you barely talk to them every day, but okay, for me, I'm diabetic.
	Do you think my parents would never have to do that?
	Yeah, they would never stop giving me insulin.
	I could have done anything in the world.
	They would always make sure I have my insulin.
	Yeah, right.
	Like certain things.
	You see what I'm saying?
	I know that's a different extreme, but it's kind of like, who's you know, it's like Doc Vinabli donated $200.
	If my daughter did of, that means I failed her as a father.
	She would do of only if I am dead or in jail.
	Your fathers are morally weak men.
	They are morally weak men.
	I guess, what could I ask you?
	Who do you think is the example?
	Well, I mean, you can say fuck you, but he's right.
	Look, the chatter's right.
	Can I ask you a question?
	How do you know?
	I'm going to tell you, right?
	You do have to be a morally weak man if they know.
	Like in your case, maybe not because your dad doesn't know.
	Okay.
	But a lot of people that I've talked to here, their dads do know.
	And they're just like.
	Right, but we're a dinosaur.
	My dad doesn't like it.
	We're adult.
	We're able to make our own decisions.
	My dad doesn't like it.
	Just let me finish the point.
	I'm almost done.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think that that's a moral weakness to say, I will enable you.
	I will enable you to do this threshold-breaking thing, especially from a Christian perspective.
	It's insane.
	I don't know why anybody would do it.
	I would say it leads me to.
	You know why?
	Because real Christians love everyone.
	So then why not just make everything permissible?
	The fact that you're like, I'll disown my daughter.
	That's not everything's permissible.
	I didn't think that there's a difference between deleting something is not permissible.
	No, no, no, okay.
	But all social behaviors, all sexual behaviors, all everything, Christians must permit that.
	Who's the example in Christianity?
	Answer the question.
	Ask him that.
	Who in Christianity?
	I'm going to answer that.
	I never realized that.
	I'm asking you the question.
	Is all forms of social sexual behavior something which are supposed to be permissible to Christians?
	I don't think it should be permissible.
	I think that you should love no matter what.
	So then if it's not permissible, if it's not permissible, then I'm not giving permission, which means I'm not endorsing it, which means I'm not allowing it, which means I'm totally against it.
	If your kid is an adult, why do you have to allow them to do something?
	I'm not allowing them to.
	What are you talking about?
	Who in Christianity is the example for parenting?
	Who is it?
	You mean in which context?
	Which saints are you talking about?
	What?
	I'm talking about there's saints which you can look to as examples in parenting.
	Who do you look to as the example for parenting?
	As the example inside of Christianity?
	Of course we look at Jesus.
	One sec.
	Honestly, Nala has a special brand of daddy issues.
	Every girl has a craving for attention.
	If she doesn't get it from her dad, she will get by being a thought thumbs.
	Here, I need to look at Jesus Christ.
	Do you want to answer, but like, I do want to, I have so many notes I have to get through, so go ahead.
	It sounded like you wanted to say something.
	So I feel like a lot of people think that because what I do, I have daddy issues or mommy issues or whatever the fuck it is.
	But it's honestly, it's a self-made choice.
	I didn't go to my dad and be like, you know, should I do this?
	And he just gave me like all this advice to do it.
	You know, I came to them, told them because I wanted to be honest with my parents.
	They have that reason to like, they have that decision to make with their kid if they do something like this.
	You know what I mean?
	Like whether they want to be in your life or not.
	I think it's bad parenting if you don't want to be in your kid's life, no matter what they do.
	I'm not saying if they like delete someone, that's like, that's a great, I don't know.
	I feel like the line is just too broad here.
	So let me ask you this.
	Can you make the judgment and the value-added judgment on what's bad parenting?
	I have children.
	Do you have any?
	No.
	Okay.
	And then, on top of it, from your parents' perspective, you turned out to go off and do OnlyFans and like show your butthole online for money.
	How's that great parenting?
	How could you come to me and say what a great parent should do is this?
	You're the perfect example of everything that nobody should listen to for great parenting.
	Is Christ a terrible parent because like so many of his sons and daughters commit sin?
	You said Jesus is your example for parenting.
	Who did Jesus dine with?
	This is a hilarious example.
	Who did he dine with?
	Of course he died for everybody.
	No, we didn't die.
	No, dine.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Who did he dine with?
	In which context?
	Like his apostles?
	Matthew in the Gospels.
	Yeah, he would dine with everybody.
	He dined with sinners.
	He would dine with sinners.
	He would be called godless fools and rejected outright.
	Okay, just stop.
	Just get to your point.
	He didn't know this.
	Well, it's fine if you don't know.
	Oh, should I?
	The people he called godless fools was Pharisees, the leaders of the religion.
	Whereas in the cases of women who were adulterers, tax collectors, the ones he told to sin no more.
	He told them to send no more people.
	Sin no more.
	He still dined with them.
	And he told them to sin no more.
	He said, go and sin no more.
	Disowning is not the same thing as saying something.
	Disowning until a behavior is modified.
	No.
	That's behavior modification.
	No, it's not.
	How do you, oh, there's a million ways to not.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	There's a million ways to condone an action.
	How do you even reconcile the prodigal son when the father, as the son, walks home, says, You've been my son the whole time?
	He never removed it.
	The son left, and the father allowed him to live out the consequences of that.
	But the father didn't disown him.
	First of all, the father didn't send him away, and when he came back, he threw him a massive party.
	Yes, the prodigal son.
	Well, the parable prodigal son.
	But here's the thing: when you're looking at what happened in the results of the prodigal son, the father did not go where the son was, where the son was committing all these heinous acts.
	Stop, stop, father.
	We're not saying you should start at OnlyFans.
	That's all we're saying.
	We're not saying join OnlyFans.
	We're saying you don't disown.
	They're all spurging.
	You're all spurging.
	You're all spurging.
	Calm down.
	Let me finish my point.
	Okay?
	Dad didn't go where he was.
	Dad wasn't going and trying to pull him back.
	He wasn't doing any of this.
	He was saying, I don't endorse what it is that you're doing, what you're going after.
	Yes, he did say that.
	He told him it was a bad idea to leave.
	That's a very big difference between.
	Okay, he told him it was a bad idea.
	No, he left anyway after breaking the fortune.
	And then when he came back humble, when he came back humble with his tail between his legs, crying his eyes out, did his father say, You've now returned to me, the prodigal son, and now all is forgiven.
	You have always, always, is the key word here.
	You have always been.
	They're still always your king.
	He gets on them.
	That doesn't mean he's not a human.
	That doesn't mean you have to enable it.
	In the cases, they're like, did he not go with them to go and slut it up with horrors and blow money on crack?
	No, he didn't.
	But she's not saying, hey, dad, come do OnlyFans with me.
	You should.
	My dad is nowhere in my life.
	Yeah, but my point is this: again, when he came back humble, when he came back correct, when he came back from doing the horrible things that he was doing, then dad said, Yes, welcome back in.
	You were always my son.
	Of course, I never stopped loving you.
	But he was not endorsing all the things that I'd like to do.
	At no point was he disowned.
	Let me finish.
	He was not endorsing all the things the kid was doing.
	He was not going out of his way to make sure that the kid had additional money to continue sinning where he was at.
	He wasn't doing any of that.
	I'm not saying any of these things.
	The issue is that if Christ is the example for parenting and he loves you every single step of the way, disowning your child is the opposite of that thing.
	Now, I am fine with parents getting to decide if they don't want to support that.
	They tell them explicitly, I would be fine with a relationship.
	My parents are Christian, my brother's gay.
	I'm fine with them regularly.
	Can the Catholic Church excommunicate people?
	Yes, but the Catholic Church is in no way the same thing as ours.
	Yeah, so if the Catholic Church excommunicates somebody, are you saying that what they're doing?
	Stop, stop.
	we're getting stop Okay, make a final point on this.
	I'll make a Christmas friend's mind.
	If you make an excommunication, why is it that they're not turning their back on their children?
	Okay, an excommunication at an apostolic level of the Catholic Church is about godless fools.
	It's about property.
	Not always.
	That is why the Eastern Orthodox was removed.
	They broke up with the other way.
	I know you guys broke up with us after, but that's just not true.
	The reason that they recommended the people.
	Wait, you're a Catholic.
	I'm not a Catholic, but I'm theologically.
	I'm not a Catholic.
	I'm more Catholic than I am Eastern Orthodox.
	20 seconds, 20 seconds.
	The reason that churches excommunicate is because they're violating the nature of God Himself, not because they're doing a sin that they dislike.
	It's extremely different.
	And these types of sins, like blaspheming the Holy Spirit, is in no way comparable to moral sins or virtue sins, which may be only fans as moral sins, or maybe it's a virtue sin.
	I'm not sure where it falls specifically.
	But acting like the church can excommunicate so parents can excommunicate their children is a bastardization of why the Catholic Church does this in the first place.
	So let's look at this logically to what you're saying, not what the distinction is.
	Which the distinctions and the reasoning are.
	Yeah, yeah, I know.
	I'm just trying to respond.
	What the distinction in the reasonings are.
	Let's look at this from a holistic.
	You claimed, listen, because Jesus Christ said thing X, it's not proper for you to then say, nope, I'll walk away from this.
	But it is proper for the Catholic Church to do the same thing under the same circumstances.
	And your only claim to this is to say that they rejected that they rejected Christ.
	So the same thing happens exactly.
	He's not rejecting Christ.
	Oh, you can't be rejecting Christ.
	Yes, blasphemy.
	Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
	But here's the thing.
	What the Pharisees did was bad enough.
	These are disanalogous, and you're being dishonest.
	No, they're not disanalogous.
	This is your logic.
	This is the logic of all of the theological.
	No, it's just your logic.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Wait, interlude.
	Can we see an ahi gal, I guess?
	I love the interview.
	Let's do a little research.
	Why don't you do one?
	Why don't you try it?
	We should date them.
	You want to try it with me?
	Wait, you're going to ask the women to do it, but you're too cowardly to do it.
	Do you want to do it?
	That seems a little weird.
	Go ahead.
	Do you want to do it?
	Oh, my God.
	Lord, yummy.
	We must.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let me get.
	I'm trying to get through my notes because I don't want to be here.
	He said I don't want to be here.
	No, that's not what I meant.
	I'm only two hours in, Brian.
	Okay, so Nala, in your previous appearance on the show, you claimed that you had a thing for cheating.
	Yeah, I knew that was going to get brought up.
	For those who didn't previously see that, are you?
	Is that still the case?
	So I haven't dated anyone.
	I haven't helped anyone cheat recently or even in at least the last year that I know of.
	So it's like I said, it was a fantasy.
	It is a fantasy.
	You know what I mean?
	Like it's the compromise that you make in that sexual act is hot to me.
	So wait, wait, sorry.
	You said help people cheating?
	Okay, so like if they have a partner, and I'm single, like and we have sex.
	So you're the homewrecker.
	No, I'm not.
	So for me, if you made that decision and you're in the relationship, I don't push anyone to do anything.
	But if you want to have sex with me and you keep pushing, that's on you.
	You wanted out of that relationship before.
	You know?
	And how do I know that you haven't done it with other people?
	Wait, I thought you wanted to cheat on your partners.
	I did.
	I really did.
	Because they hurt me, you know?
	And I was like, you know what?
	Fuck this.
	This is hot.
	I'm going to cheat on you.
	And I'm going to get a better person.
	No, but didn't you say, even in a healthy relationship, you're not.
	I've never been in a healthy relationship, but other people.
	Honestly, no, if you're in a healthy relationship, you don't cheat.
	No, but you said even if you were in an otherwise healthy relationship, you would cheat because it's like a fantasy of yours.
	Is that correct?
	If I was in a healthy relationship, I'd fucking hold on to it.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	That's good.
	I feel like it's.
	So, like I said, when I cheat, it's because you've gone so fucking far with me.
	You've pushed every button.
	Why don't you break up with me?
	Oh, because I need the satisfaction that I fucking want.
	I don't want to be an asshole, but like when guys like, remember when Chris Brown beat the shit out of Brianna?
	And I'm not saying that these are identical behaviors.
	That was like, sorry.
	Remember when Chris Brown was a big meanie bobini towards Brianna?
	Yes.
	No, it's just, I'm trying to see how it's related.
	Okay.
	Okay, bro.
	The relevance here is if you try to justify a negative behavior out of vengeance because of what another person has done to you, we wouldn't take that type of argumentation for any behavior.
	This is like the actual abuser tactic of being like, I just have to gaslight you because you make me because you're so crazy, right?
	It's like, no, that's not how any of this works.
	So when I cheat, that's the end.
	Like, no, why don't you just end it?
	Yeah.
	Oh, because, like I said, it's a fantasy.
	It wouldn't be cheating if we broke up.
	It would just be a hugup.
	Okay, all right.
	We have to do it.
	She's not saying it's right.
	I don't think it's a common behavior.
	It's like a lot of colours.
	Totally cool.
	Very cool.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	I just feel like I have to admit things that other people don't.
	Would you agree, maybe?
	Yeah, you know, it's cool.
	It is immoral.
	I don't think it's right.
	I just said it was a fantasy, along with a lot of other things I like.
	All right, we have a chat here.
	Darian Murphy, Jesus said by following him, we would be, we would have be, we would have be divided.
	Do you think I came to bring peace on earth?
	No, I tell you, but division.
	From now on, there will be five in one family divided against each other.
	Three against two and two against three.
	Luke 12, 51 to 52.
	Oh my gosh.
	Okay, biblical deconstructivism is like damn near heretical.
	Like Protestants do it all the time, and that's not how you engage with the Bible.
	I don't know exactly all of Luke 12, but I'm pretty sure that this verse has almost nothing to do with OnlyFans or children sinning against their parents.
	And I think it's specifically about like end time prophecies and like talking about in many ways how like the tribal churches were super like disintegrated and uncoordinated.
	I could be wrong because I need to read 12, but biblical deconstruction is just bad.
	Don't do it.
	Nothing.
	He's talking about like one thing I can agree with, right?
	Is that Protestant exegesis is usually bad.
	Okay.
	Oh, it's usually bad.
	Is it about herpes?
	Yep, it's about herpes.
	A biological sewer.
	He's crazy herpes.
	A biological sewer.
	At what point does the government step in and stop the spread of this place?
	I don't need the government.
	Brian, you can't.
	I got you.
	What the fuck does the government have to do with OnlyFans?
	Well, they could shut down.
	Ah, that wasn't the good nuke.
	Hold on.
	I'll send it to Better Nick one sec.
	That's what he's saying.
	They could shut it down.
	I mean, OnlyFans would be like the worst thing to shut down to stop herpes because it's like non-contact sexual behavior.
	Probably shut down like escorting and stuff.
	Yeah.
	But also asking herpes and hosting.
	Yeah, I don't think anything.
	We have Nala.
	I discovered something about you.
	Oh, my.
	Nothing bad.
	It's nothing too crazy.
	I don't think there's anything that bad about me.
	I actually, you know, compared to, you know, you do the OnlyFans, whatever, okay.
	But there's one individual who you've been intimate with who publicly that I object to.
	That I object to.
	His name is Vitaly.
	You.
	And let's, Nick, you got a photo?
	That's a big talk.
	Oh, my God.
	He doesn't.
	So that was him fucked up.
	That was so long ago.
	Listen, I had to tell you.
	It was the worst decision of my life.
	Oh, wait, you regret.
	I hate him.
	Okay, hate's such a strong word.
	He's terrible.
	He's such an obnoxious human being.
	I went to go make content with him at a, where were we?
	We were at a college, not like OF content.
	We made like a video for like YouTube and stuff.
	Yeah.
	Most obnoxious man I've ever met in my life.
	Like I'm a content creator.
	I knew how things were supposed to go.
	And yes, I made an OnlyFans video with him.
	It was the worst thing I've ever done in my life.
	I wish I could take it back.
	I wish I could just, you know, delete him from my whole brain.
	And was this before or after his, you know, his incident?
	way after this was like did you did you know about it though Did you know?
	Or you found out after that?
	Okay, so what happened was I kind of found out after I didn't know how severe the situation was until after my assistant came up to me and was like, hey, you should read this.
	And I was like, are you fucking with me?
	I didn't know it was like real.
	I honestly thought it was kind of like a joke until then he opened up about it and was like, oh yeah, blah, blah, blah.
	Acted like it wasn't even a big deal.
	And I felt so disgusted.
	I was like, this man is like, doesn't belong here.
	Like, he needs to go back to wherever he came from.
	It was awful.
	I don't think he's a good person at all.
	Can we get a little bit more context?
	I have no background.
	Vitaly did something very took a lot of something and then ended up hurting a very innocent person.
	A woman.
	A woman.
	Yeah.
	Her personal person.
	And he used to be so bad for him.
	He's a prankster on YouTube.
	A terrible person.
	I used to do some pranks, you know, familiar with him.
	And I honestly thought it was a joke.
	I thought it was a joke.
	Because he does all the, he does like bottle smashing on people's heads and stuff.
	And I was like, oh, this has got to be a joke.
	It was not a joke.
	I was like, he's actually smashed bottles.
	No, he doesn't.
	Of YouTube, like a lot of the YouTube pranksters, I feel like that's what's crazy, like society.
	Because now you're who watches those mostly kids.
	A lot of kids are the ones who mostly watch like prank videos and all that.
	And I feel like a lot of since like Jake Paul and all that, it's just been like so bad.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Sorry, but like, I just have to say that.
	It's gross.
	But I was.
	Do you not like him?
	I was.
	I'm curious.
	I don't want to get into it, but there's like some old.
	I'm not going to get into it, but I certainly don't like him because of the incident that occurred with the woman in Florida.
	But I'm appalled.
	I hope I never see him again.
	Okay, there's a bit of tea there.
	All right, we have Modest Hakama.
	Brian, I now understand why Michael Knowles canceled.
	I would have to two-thirds of the panels.
	Okay, that's not nice.
	That's so nice.
	Why you think MK wants to associate with, well, first off, I don't like this characterization of the panel here.
	But Michael Knowles did not cancel because we've had him on the show before.
	We're on very good terms with the Daily Wire, and they had like this last-minute, kind of almost impromptu, unannounced, just dropping this new premiere thing.
	And they had the premiere in Nashville.
	So it's like a movie.
	It's a film.
	It's like Brett Cooper, like Snow White movie?
	No, it's something.
	I forgot what the title is, but I guess that's coming out soon.
	Or maybe it already came out.
	Also, it's crazy to act like people don't want to be on this platform with like thousands of viewers and stuff.
	Michael Nolis has only everything to gain by being on this panel, especially if he can shit on some slutty women.
	And all that's due, all that doesn't sound like that.
	I don't know if that's fair, but yeah, it's good for him, of course.
	Well, no, but I mean, he's obviously very big in his own right, so I'm not, I don't have a big ego about it.
	It's just things happen, and we're already in conversations to reschedule it.
	So he's going to come back on.
	All right, we have Bass here.
	Question for the Nala.
	Hello.
	The Nala.
	The women generally in a layup for Andrew.
	Why is honor and virtue not the most important thing about men to you?
	I only heard one lady talk about how character is important.
	How could you ever let someone without honor and virtue have S with you?
	Discuss, please.
	Okay, so for me, honor and virtue, I've not been shown by a man.
	I feel like men, the men I've been with, don't show that at all.
	They don't have like a pride in who they are.
	They don't have a pride in what they do.
	I think honor truly has to do with like having pride in who you are as a person.
	That would be the opposite of virtue.
	Pride.
	Pride is the pride is in like confidence.
	You're like, you're as a person, you're just extremely about what you do.
	I don't know.
	Like security.
	Gravity.
	But I feel like even so, men that I've seen and stuff or they lie.
	They fucking lie.
	And I don't feel like they ever show their woman like how to be loyal.
	Like set an example then.
	You know what I mean?
	That's so sad.
	I feel like that doesn't even answer or begin to answer the question.
	But you're telling me that pride is like selfish.
	And I'm like, no, it's not.
	Well, it's something else in my mind.
	It's one of the seven deadly sins.
	I think she's trying to discuss what the animation is.
	Yeah, but I think there's a difference between them.
	The question was why.
	Well, the question he's asking, or he's trying to get at, is he's saying that he's saying, listen, if they don't have virtues, why would you do that with them anyway?
	And so what you said is, well, none of them have ever shown me the virtues.
	But that just leads back to the question of, yeah, I know that they're not showing you any virtues.
	So why are you doing this with them when they don't have any virtues?
	But who am I doing it with?
	I've been single.
	Well, before you were single.
	Yeah, before you were single.
	Oh, because I feel like you know, you jump into relationships because you like who they are and you don't know them that well and you don't know if they have honor and virtue right away.
	So you feel like that's kind of a hard thing to determine.
	What's that?
	Which I want to say.
	So you say lie too.
	Because you're talking about how, like, oh, you think people are lying.
	So you think that they have virtue and honor and all these things.
	And it turns out that it was wrong.
	Here, we got Lazette and something you care about.
	What?
	Virtues and honor.
	I feel like virtues come in different forms.
	Like, it kind of depends on what kind of virtues.
	Like, are you honest?
	Are you true to yourself?
	Are you brave?
	Are you courageous?
	Like, what kind of virtues are we talking about?
	Well, so let's just take a simple one, like, let's say just temperance.
	Temperance is a virtue.
	It's like somebody who's even keeled, for instance.
	Would you consider that to be virtuous?
	I think that's extremely virtuous to be able to contain yourself in multiple different situations.
	Yeah, so I haven't seen that though.
	I really haven't.
	So I don't know.
	I feel like I try to find that in myself, but I can't dictate that to anyone.
	Yeah, got it.
	So what he's asking is: since you're not finding those things, those things that you consider virtues that you're agreeing with me are virtues in the men, why do anything with them?
	That's his question.
	That's what he's not understanding.
	It's a weird question because it makes it seem like the way that women think about how they're going to have sex is they like have this checkbox and they're like watching and being like, oh, how does he act here?
	Virtues are really hard to establish.
	Especially right away.
	Most people need time and experience.
	Like, how do they react when somebody cuts them off?
	How do they react when we have a disagreement about a situation?
	So there's like a lot of testing that has to occur.
	So probably what's actually true is like men and women mostly care, I think, about how you make them feel.
	That's broadly why people tend to get into a relationship.
	And I would agree that I don't think our society is doing a good job of teaching people how to vet in their relationships.
	You can act.
	You can act in these things.
	Yeah, right.
	This is just like the descriptive is.
	So what he's still asking, though, is he's saying, even if that's true, if what Kylo's saying is true, and kind of we just go with our feelings at the time, kind of, that type of thing.
	Why wouldn't you want to shoulder those until you found somebody who is virtuous before you decided to engage in a sexual relationship with them?
	That's the point that he's trying to bring to bear.
	That's what he's trying to say.
	And he's trying to say, because this is what I think anyway, he's trying to say it's because you don't actually care about virtues.
	That's not what you're after.
	I'm bottomless.
	It's not after anyone in general.
	So it's like, yeah, but before you look at it, some people just want sexual growth and change.
	Like, I don't know what.
	Some people just want sexual relationships, which is like their own prerogative.
	They're allowed to do that.
	Some people believe that others are virtuous and think that that's established and it ends up that they're deceived.
	So there's like a whole variety of reasons why women might have sex with unvirtuous men.
	That isn't just they don't care about virtuous men.
	Men have sex with unvirtuous men.
	No, literally.
	Let's.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Nick, can you pull up Twitch, please?
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub if you have one.
	Thank you guys.
	Okay, so last question for you, Nala.
	Are you Jack Doherty?
	Do Hardy?
	Do Harty?
	I love him.
	Are you?
	He's like, has an OF management company?
	Are you working with him or not?
	No, I'm not.
	You've just collaborated with him.
	Have you done a scene with Jack?
	Yeah, somewhat.
	It wasn't a full scene or anything.
	Okay.
	But it was kind of fun.
	Got it.
	And so it was definitely not a full scene.
	I want to bring it back to everybody's relationship status.
	So, single, married, single, single, single, single.
	And then Andrew's married.
	What are you?
	I have to keep things big a little bit, you know?
	Damn.
	So, okay.
	Not very virtuous.
	Oh, we claim her pride.
	But maybe it is virtuous because he wins it.
	Do they know about each other?
	It's like my main thing.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm just kidding, by the way.
	I have no.
	So, okay.
	Nuke it, Brian.
	Everybody's.
	Those of you who said you're single, what does single actually mean?
	So, I guess my question for you.
	I'm not messing around with anyone.
	We're going around the table.
	You're not currently.
	I'm not sexually active at all.
	When's the last time you went on a date, though?
	Like, are you going to be a little bit more?
	Oh, my God.
	It's been a minute.
	I really wanted to just kind of dive deep into myself.
	When's the last time you've hung out with a guy romantically?
	Maybe you guys didn't hook up or anything.
	Maybe you didn't go on an official date, but you hung out with a guy in a romantic no one really interests me.
	Like, this is the thing.
	I feel like I'm just pursuing other things.
	My producer back there, Nick.
	What's up with Nick?
	Does he interest you?
	He's cute.
	Yeah, he's cute.
	Oh, yeah, he's tall.
	He's a tall gossip.
	Watering.
	You hear that?
	You hear that, Nick?
	He's blushing.
	Does it change anything for you that he's a virgin?
	Nick, can I share?
	You can share.
	He's a virgin?
	He's a virgin.
	No, that's so sweet, actually.
	It's so sweet.
	Every guy wants to hear your virginity is so cute.
	But it is, though.
	Like, the fact that.
	Would you take it?
	Sorry, I'm sorry.
	Sorry.
	Is it okay if I ask that, Nick?
	Okay, so sorry, I'm sorry, not.
	Okay.
	If he just straight out asked me, I'd be like, no.
	But if we went on some dates and he went snowboarding with me, yeah.
	Okay, I see.
	Okay.
	You're single, but what does that actually mean?
	Is there some guy?
	Are you bi?
	I'm bi.
	I'm bi.
	Is there a guy in the picture or a woman in the picture?
	I mean, there's a guy that I've gone on a couple dates with.
	I mean, we'll see if it develops further.
	I don't want to give single.
	He's slowing.
	Okay.
	English.
	When's the last time you saw him?
	I don't want to go to the timeline because then I'm afraid people are going to be like, yeah.
	But yeah, it's like recently.
	I'll like that.
	Yeah, I'll be back.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	You said you recently got out of your situation or whatever.
	Yep.
	So.
	Good for you for getting out of that bad.
	Have you had a rebound?
	I didn't have to.
	Because you were.
	You deserve better.
	Please, please.
	You were on the dating app.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	And on your dating, I think we did we react to it last stream?
	A little bit.
	It wasn't really nothing to talk about.
	Yeah, you said you were like, I'm in town for a couple days.
	If there's any dudes, blah, blah, blah.
	So have you had a rebound?
	No, I haven't really had time for a rebound.
	You don't have time?
	You've not met up with any guys?
	So I have, I've met up with some.
	So the first time I was over here, I met up with one guy.
	He was real cool, but it wasn't really a rebound.
	It was more like I'm hanging out with people so that they can show me new things around here because I'm not from here.
	And I wasn't really looking for sex or nothing like romantic.
	If anything, at most, take me out on a date.
	Show me what food you like around here.
	Pay for it so that I don't have to pay for it while I'm on my trip.
	Okay.
	I'm not really looking for nothing romantic or sexual.
	It's just a little too much.
	Are you talking to anybody right now or no?
	No.
	Nobody?
	Nobody.
	Zero?
	Zero.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait, really quick coming back to you, Kyla.
	In your pre-show notes here, you wrote, in this space, finding out my husband is my first and only sex partner is apparently crazy.
	So is that you?
	Yeah, I was a virgin until I met my husband.
	All right.
	There you go.
	It's actually not all that's like cracked up to be.
	I feel like people really idealize that, but.
	Do they?
	Yeah.
	I'm so curious about that.
	I'm so curious about that.
	So I grew up super fundamental, Christian.
	I'm still Christian.
	I'm just not a fundamentalist anymore.
	I think the way that that sexual purity is often attained in the church is through a lot of like shame.
	So a lot of my like friends that got married felt like immediately dirtied and defiled after having sex, even though they waited until marriage.
	Like there's this really common problem.
	So some really uncomfortable sounds.
	Every time I say these words, men get uncomfortable.
	I've never heard that.
	Yeah, vaginismus rates are almost triple in religious, particularly fundamental religious couples.
	So if you don't know what vaginism is, it's when like your sorry, your vaginal hole is really tight and penetration is like excruciatingly painful to sometimes impossible.
	So vaginism is really high and orgasm rates also in like more fundamental relationships is significantly lower for women as well.
	So like this idea of being a virgin, I'm definitely pro.
	I think sex should be treated as like a sacred thing.
	I don't really agree with like the casual sex stuff.
	I think some people seem to be like sociosexual and be able to manage it.
	I think most people are lying to themselves if I'm being honest, but I live in a liberal society.
	You can fucking lie to yourself if you want.
	And so there was like a lot of issues that came from me being a virgin.
	I think I'm like deeply sexually mature compared to where I think I would like to be at the state of my marriage.
	I can remember very financially mature and stuff like that.
	But there's a lot of things that I feel like there's like nervousness and fear.
	I remember I used to like jerk and like be fearful when men touched me.
	And so I'm not saying that sex isn't sacred, but I think a lot of men in the red pill space idealize my circumstance with my husband.
	And I just really want to emphasize like it's tough.
	Like it's really tough.
	There was a lot of problems that happened, bleeding for like five days, excruciating pain, shame.
	Like, yeah, I think we have to be cautious when we talk about virginity as far as like how we why would we need to be cautious?
	Like what would be the alternative to that except to have sex or do you know what I mean?
	What would be the alternative?
	To like talk about healthy relationships and healthy sex rather than just shaming women in the church for having any level of sexuality.
	Do you wish you would have had sexuality?
	Yeah, but before you're married.
	That's part, but that's part of it.
	Do I wish you were a message?
	It doesn't have to be part of it.
	Yeah, it does need to be part of it.
	Yes, it does.
	You're trying to deter the behavior.
	No, no, okay.
	No, Hold on.
	Just, I really got to move on.
	So, okay.
	Was your husband also a virgin?
	No.
	Okay.
	Oh, he wasn't, but okay.
	And it was a really big issue, by the way, for me.
	For you or something?
	Yeah, it really bothered me at first.
	Because I was still decently fundy when we met.
	You're decently what?
	Fundamentally.
	Sorry, fundamentally.
	I thought you said fundy.
	You said fundy.
	Fundy.
	Yeah.
	The opposite of that.
	Go ahead.
	It bothered me.
	Okay.
	Eden, you said you're single.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Are you actually single then?
	Yeah, I'm pretty single.
	There's no guy in the picture.
	Nothing.
	Maybe a ladyfriend.
	Yeah.
	Nothing.
	Zero.
	There was like one guy I was like dealing with, but then he had like a girl as his wallpaper last week came around, so I had to block him and leave it in the middle.
	Okay.
	Well, I have some notes here.
	So you said in your pre-show notes to us, you said you had two boyfriends at once.
	I had a cuck boyfriend who'd like, I think you shared this, eating you out after you got with Somebody else get the rocks.
	Abdul.
	Yeah, get the rocks.
	Okay.
	Well, you're into that, so okay.
	You've been in open poly relations situations.
	You said dating and S work and how people are entitled to have the boundary of not wanting to date a sex worker, which I think that's fair.
	How a lot of people lying about being able to be monogamous.
	Do you think, so do you think people are incapable of being monogamous?
	I don't think that no one's capable of being monogamous, but I do think like the structure of like we're gonna date for a month and then either we're gonna be monogamous till the day we die or like hate each other and break up kind of thing doesn't really work for a lot of people.
	And it should be kind of more normal to be able to just like, hey, we deal with each other and dating doesn't have to be the most natural instant conclusion.
	And if you love to give to a third person or another, then that's you and your partner.
	And if not, then that's literally.
	And some people would never want, like, some people think they could never be monogamous.
	Because some people would be like, yeah, I don't want to get married, but I could just never imagine having sex with one person the rest of my life.
	Some people can imagine that.
	And some people can't.
	So it's just kind of like, I feel like a personal preference thing.
	Like for me, I think, because I'm just a super sexually fluid person, that if I was with what does it mean to be sexually like?
	I just I don't know.
	Like I don't have like love to give, I don't have like one specific, like this is my like, my kink, like I just like trying everything okay and so like I feel like for me, like the person for me who would be most likely would probably be someone like we wouldn't be constantly dealing with other people but maybe go to a swinger's club once in a while or, you know, invite someone to the relationship once in a while.
	Like when I was in that thrupple, it was so natural, like it wasn't something we went out and forced, it was that it, the other boyfriend, so naturally played into our situation.
	It was like why wouldn't we do this?
	I never even thought I was someone who'd like that.
	It just kind of came out that way, sure.
	And then you also said every, everybody is bi.
	Every girl girls effed, a dude who F's dudes yeah, I said because girls will talk about I could never get with a guy who's fucked a guy, but you probably have, and just don't know it literally, because a lot of these men are bi the same way women are, but then it's like I don't know about that.
	Yeah, a lot of these men are DL and then a lot of men and a lot of straight men think no, don't you can imagine attracted to cucks.
	So like obviously, the guys who are cucks, they're probably more likely to be.
	But the thing is, when you find out one man's bi, you find out the network of dl men and then it surprises you because when you find one who's dealing with the other guy they fuck.
	And then you find all the other ones to be the most masculine.
	And then, knowing sex workers and knowing all the masculine men are yes, they're projecting, and a lot of the time they say dl.
	I think that's down low, down low gay.
	Yeah, like all right um, the most.
	I don't know if they're gonna be like the hood guys or the, literally the guys with a bunch of face tattoos.
	They're bending over a lot of time.
	A lot of them are not every single one, but it happens a lot.
	But isn't it just the case that those are the circles that you move in like?
	No, it's also that like okay, like for me, like I'm, I'm friends with women, a lot of variety of sex work.
	Okay, and like I have one friend, Like you hear certain stories, and it's just like it's not really surprising.
	Like these girls who like a lot of their job is a lot of times when men have fetishes or kinks or sexual preferences, they can't tell their friends or girls they deal with, they're gonna tell a sex worker, whether it's a girl in OnlyFans, a stripper at a club, or an iceberg.
	Oh my god, that's who they're gonna open up to.
	And so, being friends with a lot of those girls, you hear crazy things.
	They, you know, they just want to get pegged or they want a girl to make them suck dick.
	That's another thing that's common in FinDom because they don't want to feel like they're gay.
	They want a girl to make them suck dick so they can feel like they're still gay.
	Like they're forced to almost.
	Yeah, like it's odd.
	Like, it's still gay, but you know what I'm saying?
	Like, there's all these kind of interesting, weird fetishes.
	Or I feel like a lot of the time, I feel like obviously all trans women experience, like, it's all types in passing, not passing can experience violence.
	But I feel like, like, we're talking about Megan Fox with Dick.
	I feel like that type of thing incites a different level of anger in men because they didn't know and they were initially attracted.
	You know, no, and then, but sometimes they're still attracted.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	If no man likes it, it's so few and far in between.
	Why do these women make so much money?
	Because why is millions of people?
	When people don't buy porn, men buy porn.
	Exactly.
	Same thing with gay porn.
	Like, the numbers aren't matching in gay porn.
	I don't know.
	I don't really care to speculate on why it is.
	I don't know if it's even true, but it's not really something that's worth it.
	Okay, Salem.
	Do you said you consider?
	I don't want to misquote you.
	Did you say you consider yourself traditional?
	In what way?
	Bro, you got to talk into the mic, please.
	In what way?
	Relationships.
	Oh, relationships?
	Can you please scoot the mic closer to you?
	Relationships?
	Well, did you, in your pre-show notes to us, did you say that you consider yourself traditional?
	Yeah, but now that I'm thinking about it, in what way did you mean religion?
	Like traditional in relationships, not religion.
	I think you wrote politics.
	I think you wrote a note to us in your pre-show notes and you said, I'm not sure if I'm right here.
	Do you consider yourself traditional?
	Here, let me pull up the.
	Well, in what way, though?
	Okay.
	Because I don't remember what question it was or what I said.
	Like your parents are fundamentalist Muslims.
	Oh, you described yourself as liberal/slash traditional in response to my question: Do you consider yourself, do you consider yourself liberal, moderate, conservative, apolitical?
	And do you consider yourself feminist or traditional?
	And you said you consider yourself traditional.
	Okay, I guess I would kind of take that back.
	The traditional being in a feminine role?
	Like, no, I guess I was just talking about in like cultural views that you think a men should pay type of thing.
	Like, yeah, like that.
	Exactly.
	Like, that's what I meant by traditional.
	But honestly, like, my views on everything are just so all over the place.
	I honestly don't like to label things.
	So I wouldn't really say I was traditional because someone could do that.
	You said you had a crazy sugar baby story?
	Oh.
	I have a lot, to be honest.
	Like, I've been a sugar baby for a really long time.
	How many?
	Okay, I'll ask some clarifying questions.
	How many sugar daddies have you had total?
	You can give a range.
	Probably like 30.
	Oh, wow.
	Damn.
	Wow.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, how many?
	Like 30.
	30 total?
	Okay.
	And also, I also am including like pay pigs.
	Pay pigs.
	Just for the people watching who don't know what that is, what's a pay pig?
	A pay pig is basically someone that Like a pay pig is basically someone that kind of like gives you like, let's say like my pay pig, he'll be like, I don't want you to, like, I don't want to just send you the money.
	You have to request it from, like, I want you to drain my bank account type thing.
	Like, a paypig is someone that submits to you in a way.
	So, how many of the 30 plus would you say were pay pigs?
	Half of them?
	Uh, half of them, yeah.
	Okay.
	So, a pay pig is just somebody who sends you money without you having to do anything, whereas a sugar daddy, he has some expectations.
	Maybe you have to send him photos or talk with him.
	Yeah, and most of my sugar daddies are like just regular relationships.
	How many do you currently have?
	Well, right now, I have about like five, but one pay pigs or five sugar daddies or both.
	Four pay pigs and one sugar daddy.
	Okay, I see.
	Do they know that you have other not that I don't think that really matters though, but they know.
	And so, okay, you have I'm curious.
	So when you say that you drain their money, what's the transaction that's occurring?
	So basically, like they just send you like a hundred dollars.
	No, so I'll be talking to them, and then they will want me to send, like, you know, on cash app how you can request?
	Yeah.
	They don't want to just send me an amount.
	They want me to, like, request so they can, like, see me, like, taking it from them, because it's not, like, me taking them in person.
	So they want that, like, getting off on me taking it because they get off on that.
	I see.
	So, okay, then.
	It's like demanding being a brat.
	I've had one pay pig in person, and he would, like, bow down and like, you know, show up to my house and just, like, knock on the door, put the money there, and then leave.
	And so, what's the average?
	Such a plague.
	Yeah, it's great.
	It's bad.
	What's like the average payment that you would receive from a pay pig?
	I'm going to plead the fifth on that one.
	No, it's interesting.
	You should share.
	I mean, okay, at once or in total?
	both would be good okay so like i mean at in total honestly i can't even a lot of them have like could finance my whole life Like, I wouldn't have to, you know, do anything.
	Do you, like, do you want to try to give a range?
	You said total and then like at individual payments.
	Okay, so, like, an individual payment, sometimes they'll wire, like, $10,000.
	Sometimes they'll, like...
	It really depends.
	It really depends.
	Good for you.
	Oh, my God.
	Holy fuck.
	An individual payment.
	I am also a mistress in training, so like I do.
	What is a mistress in training?
	You fuck married men?
	No.
	Whoa.
	Isn't that what a mistress is?
	No.
	Well, it's very different.
	It's like Don.
	Oh, okay.
	But so it's okay.
	Is $10,000 the most individual payment that you've ever received?
	You've received higher than $10?
	What's the highest?
	Honestly, I can't remember.
	20.
	So years apart.
	Six figures?
	Ever six figures?
	No, no, not at once.
	50,000.
	50,000.
	No, probably like 30,000.
	Wait, do you speak Arabic?
	Yeah.
	Some of these larger payments, do they.
	I plead the fifth.
	You're going to get her in trouble.
	Please.
	No, do they care?
	Yeah, no.
	Wait, can we play Warnie Warn?
	No, no, no, no.
	Okay, never mind.
	Because whatever happens out of the country, she really can't.
	I really can't.
	No, no, no.
	You're from Canada, first off.
	You don't know about the African Americans.
	I know a lot more about geopolitics than you do.
	So I am being very serious.
	that's not what i'm saying for her sake that's not what i'm saying literally like if you like need to be safe you should definitely not yeah no i i No, she's safe.
	She's safe.
	Right here.
	Okay, so you're right now in this country, I am.
	Okay.
	So you answered individually.
	What about like a total that somebody's like.
	So a lot of it comes in like things.
	Like they'll buy me like Chanel bags.
	How much is a Chanel bag?
	I don't think it's a bad thing.
	Five, five to ten.
	Like a base bag.
	I bought a Birkin that was like Birkins are getting hundreds of thousands.
	Sometimes I'd say like a what a main Birkin like a face based 50 like I have two Birkins that were like two Birkins and that have a big Birkin.
	I think you've seen it.
	That one was also a gift and it was okay.
	So you receive gifts that have a high value.
	Sometimes like I'd rather receive so let's talk total payments though.
	Why don't you give us your top top five?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I can't.
	It's been like you can.
	Honestly, sometimes I won't even look.
	Like I'll it just goes in my bank account.
	Do you think any let me ask you this do you think I don't even know how much money is on my bank account?
	Do you think any or do you know if any given man has sent you more than a hundred thousand dollars total?
	Oh yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Multiples.
	Multiple how many how many of the 30 total that you've had would you say have sent you more than $100,000?
	Not too many.
	Probably only like seven.
	Do you have a name for them?
	Are they yeah so wait that would that would be that would be over $700,000.
	Wow.
	Good.
	Hey, good for you.
	Has anybody in the seven-figure total range?
	No.
	Has anybody sent you over a million?
	Okay.
	That would be crazy.
	What do you call these like the guys who spend big money?
	Would you call them whales?
	Is there a term for them?
	Yes, they're called whales.
	They're my whales.
	Okay.
	Pay pigs, whales, sugar daddies.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Ask.
	Do you plan on doing the PayP stuff after, like, once you quit?
	Okay, that's what I thought.
	I was curious.
	Yeah, I remember.
	Oh, yeah, but legally, can you do that when you're over there?
	All right.
	I'm not.
	Oh, my God.
	So I'm not saying I'm doing this, but hypothetically, when you're in a rich country, it's not even like sex.
	It's not sex work because we're not having sex.
	Right.
	It's a guy takes you out, gives you money, buys you nice things, takes you shopping.
	Life on easy money.
	Yeah, so it's just that's how it is.
	How old are you?
	You're 20?
	Yeah.
	And you've made just not counting your OnlyFans, not counting any other ventures.
	It sounds like you've made over a million dollars from PayPs and Sugar Daddies.
	Yes.
	Is that, would you say, what's the, I know you say that's right, huh?
	A lot of it I spent.
	Sure.
	Well, it comes quick, it goes quick.
	Yeah, and the total that you've made is over seven figures, over a million from men, like from PayPal Daddies and PayPigs.
	At 20 years old.
	Yeah.
	That's it anyway because earlier you said the guys aren't financially matching you.
	You're 20 years old.
	So like if you're dating a 21-year-old guy, there are no 21-year-old men that are earning.
	Yes, there are.
	There's actually many, many men.
	Sure.
	Maybe in America there's not much, but I'm not sure.
	It usually takes men a little longer to come into making that kind of money.
	I disagree.
	You disagree?
	One in seven Americans are a millionaire, and that's their entire net worth of the house and everything.
	There's majority of people in the world.
	I also think in our generation nowadays, it's easier to get.
	Hold on, no, no, no, hold on, hold on.
	What?
	The stats, like, so if you read the.
	You said one in seven people are millionaires in the U.S., but that's like your entire network.
	So that's your house.
	That's everything.
	Yeah, take the retired.
	Most people retire with like $1 million.
	Well, I don't care what 60 and 50 year olds are making in the context of this conversation.
	She's not romantic.
	I assume you're not romantically pursuing.
	There's thousands and millions of 20-year-olds.
	Can we try?
	Like, can we please try?
	Like, if you're going to make a comment, like, that it is somehow tangent, like, it is somehow related.
	Like, it makes sense to be brought up.
	Okay.
	I'm announcing my entrance into the PayP market.
	If anybody wants to send me fucking hash for free.
	Same here.
	It's high visit.
	Okay.
	So that's.
	Bro, didn't Mr. Beast buy like 500,000 wells in Africa for like 500K?
	I just want to say, I actually don't totally blame the women.
	I blame the men for engaging in this kind of frankly pathetic behavior where you are just sending these women.
	They're getting off on this guy, actually.
	They get off on the human beings.
	They get off on being shamed.
	So you say they want me to degrade them.
	Sort of.
	Oh, you degrade them.
	Yeah, they want me to call them fucking disgusting.
	They want me to tell them I have a lot of people.
	This is a mental illness criteria.
	Music right now making somebody willing to transfer her another 100K.
	They're like, yeah, shame me, Daddy.
	Yeah, literally, come here.
	Like, I will gladly shame.
	Men who tend to be degraded.
	Get in the chat.
	I'll shame them.
	Men who are like to be degraded.
	I think I've literally bankrupt some of them.
	And I don't even want.
	Sometimes I'm like, yo, like, do you say no?
	Okay, let's slow down.
	And they're like, no, like, take every dollar.
	Yes.
	Why?
	Because if you're not my fault, but if it got hurt, it's going to be vibrant.
	If I was like selling out.
	It's not going to be me.
	It's going to be somebody else.
	So you're still ethically responsible for it.
	Who?
	What?
	If I'm literally just sitting there and they're like, please take my money.
	Please.
	And like I've had manic people try to drop me like a hundred, like lots and lots of money.
	I've explained.
	Why am I to blame people?
	Hold on.
	I've explicitly told them no because I like care enough about society to like not take advantage of people when they're like in like mental health dire straits.
	Like if they're there's no way between mental illness and a fetish though.
	Okay, but if your fetish is so bad that you were taking out second mortgages and destroying your life, it is now also a mental illness.
	Some of these men like to say they want girls to make them take loans out and stuff like that.
	Yeah.
	And then literally like ruin their credit.
	That is not a thing.
	There's literally pay pigs that will literally not take out their money before you, like they'll give you their check and you take how much money they like.
	I know guys that are into FinDom.
	I've got to do that.
	Okay, I'm not saying that's cool.
	Obviously, and I literally like that.
	I literally care about so much.
	I get that.
	Have you ever pushed them into therapy?
	You're the girl selling them crack and you like see their teeth falling out and you're like, here's some more crack, I guess if you want.
	How do we see that point?
	But also her point was like, they're going to go do it to someone else.
	You're not ethically responsible for killing the other person.
	I can't be like, I'm sorry.
	Like, you know, like, what am I supposed to say?
	I'm not your therapist.
	But have you ever pushed them into therapy?
	Have you ever been like, okay, like, this is kind of like, like, there has been a lot of points where I'm like, yo, like, this is getting a little too much.
	Like, I think.
	But you said you still would take it at the end of the day.
	Yeah, I feel like that's the thing.
	That's not giving all the money to like, what, you're, like, 20?
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Have you heard when you're a youngster?
	Like, I'm like, they're like.
	Have you heard of Mullock's game?
	So it's this idea that if we keep all doing bad things to like out-compete each other.
	But why are we going to make a one horrible watch?
	Because you're the person selling the crack addict crack when their teeth are.
	But that's like someone saying, okay, watching porn.
	And if you keep putting out porn, then you're, if someone has like a, like a porn addiction and you keep putting out porn, then you're literally like selling the crack.
	How is that like that?
	Because there's a difference between selling and providing porn that is ubiquitously available versus your opinion, but this is my opinion.
	But it's not my opinion.
	I'm outlining like a serious ethical problem here, right?
	This is like, I'm all for OnlyFans.
	I don't really care.
	Like, I love the liberal society and I love that it makes women stay safe.
	But my biggest bone with that's a funny joke as well.
	With OnlyFans is like when women are willing to engage in actively unhealthy behavior, like unethical behavior.
	And I've talked with OnlyFans models who've been like, absolutely, when girls are like lying actively, when they're willing to just take men for everything.
	I'm not saying you're lying actively, but there's women who will lie about girlfriend experience, for example, and they'll keep saying, I'll meet up with you someday.
	Just never should.
	I find that very difficult.
	So I'm glad that we agree with that.
	Most people do.
	Wait, aren't you lying actively?
	No.
	No, no.
	No, I will never.
	It's not just pretty much.
	They get off under the grading.
	Dude, that's latterly a mental illness.
	I don't care if it's pouring outside.
	A 304s well would stay dry.
	What?
	I hate to go with that.
	Okay, thank you, Saint Reesy.
	In any case, you've made over seven figures at the age of 20 via Sugar Daddies and PayPs.
	Yeah, but congratulations on the money.
	That's life on easy mode.
	Holy shit.
	I wish I was still making that lunch from them.
	You're supposed to be an actual fucking human and be compassionate, but instead you're going out of your way, the most toxic person you can possibly be.
	Blank is toxic to society.
	May God have mercy.
	What?
	He's kind of like backing up what I was saying.
	And just to be clear, I don't think all women who do FinDom are bad.
	I don't think doing pay pig shit, like people have weird kinks and fetishes.
	I don't really care.
	My problem is when you know that somebody is actively doing great harm to themselves and you continue to enable that behavior.
	That's the line of life.
	I think that is true.
	I think that is true.
	I think if you know someone is literally about to go broke and is literally like giving you like literally they're about to lose their mortgage, whatever the fuck.
	But 99% of the time, that is not the case.
	No, but you said it was true.
	There was one case.
	There was one case where that was true.
	No, no, I said there was one case where that was true.
	He bankrupted one man.
	Yes, one guy.
	Knowingly.
	Wait, did you knowingly, did you knowingly bankrupt him?
	No, no.
	So basically, not knowingly.
	So I bankrupted him, right?
	And then you said he told you as part of his fetish or current.
	No, yes, he was like.
	Take all my money.
	take all my money.
	So did you think he was just like playing up the face?
	No, no, no, no, stop, stop.
	Stop.
	Stop.
	Chill.
	No, no, no, no.
	Dude, come down.
	Go.
	It's not that serious.
	No, I'm not upset at you, but she's fucking interrupting me while I'm trying to arrive.
	Yeah, I understand.
	Okay, I'm going to say this while you're doing it.
	I'm going to say this.
	Come down into your pixie.
	Okay.
	The one time that this happened, a lot of the pay pigs will say a lot of similar phrases, such as, take all my money.
	I want you to, you know, take this money from me.
	Please request like whatever.
	Like take me, master, whatever, right?
	So a lot of times they use the same phrases.
	You know, you don't really like, you're not really talking about what's the limit, what it would, blah, blah, blah, correct?
	So there comes a time where there was this guy and he was like, please take all my money, blah, blah, blah.
	And I was like, you know, like, how much should I trust?
	And he was like, just request the number, blah, blah, blah.
	Okay.
	Boom.
	I'll request.
	And he'll be like, take, you know, request again, request again, blah, blah, blah, until the next day.
	And then he'll be like, you know, I can't give you any more.
	Like, I don't have any more.
	And I was like, okay, why did you, like, you know, I didn't know.
	If he had told me, like, you know, I don't have that much money.
	What?
	Did you give it back?
	No.
	If he were like, can I have my money back?
	I don't have any like money.
	Like literally I'm bankrupt.
	But she also said, if not me, somebody else.
	Like it's obvious that like they're willing to.
	And obviously from that point forward, I have not done that anymore.
	Like I will never take that much money.
	There's like a limit I take from PayPigs.
	Like I will not, you know, condone.
	There is a limit, yeah.
	What's the limit?
	the limit is like five to ten thousand depending on who the pay pig is so depending on but i stop the cap Oh, I'm calling Cavalier.
	Okay.
	But so yeah, no, but that was, and that was like in the, like literally the beginning of when I like first ever like found out what pay pigs were and I was clearly not making as much money and I, you know, and I'm not saying it's correct.
	Yes, I did and I'm not saying, you know, I'm proud of it, but it happened and I'm not going to sit here and like, you know, be like, oh yeah, I should have like, whatever.
	It should have happened, but it didn't happen.
	And I'm not about to like, you know, like go back on.
	So you knowingly bankrupted him?
	I didn't.
	Okay.
	Of course you.
	Take it how you.
	He told you he didn't give the money back.
	No, I didn't.
	So you knowingly bankrupted the guy.
	Sure.
	I've totally even forgot what we were going around on this.
	We were talking about sugar daddies, sugar mommies.
	Do you have any sugar daddies?
	Yeah, I've had sugar daddies.
	Now they're hesitant to answer these questions.
	Have you bankrupted any of them?
	No, but what was I going to say?
	How many of you have?
	I've had situations where I feel like I've had reservations to do certain things and then felt less bad because of little comments that kind of make me feel like they have certain kinks I have a moral judgment again.
	Like they'll ask to see pictures of you while you're younger or ask you questions about when you were talking about this.
	Yeah, did you like certain things?
	Did you have this fetish since you were a young age and certain things?
	Now I have no remorse.
	No, we friendly.
	We talked about this.
	The guy that I bankrupted, you know what he was getting from me?
	Pictures of me in high school, pictures of me when I was 13.
	But why would you send those?
	Jesus.
	Wait.
	Wait, so not only, not only.
	Wait, not only.
	Not only did you.
	Pause.
	Can I finish?
	I just.
	I told you this was in the time when I was literally broke.
	Okay.
	I don't care.
	Like, what?
	Okay.
	I literally don't give a fuck.
	Anyway, I'm saying this was at a time when I did not understand what, like, how this was done.
	I didn't understand.
	I was literally, I just needed the money.
	And it just so happened to be an easy way because I was literally just sending selfies of myself.
	And he thought I was in high school.
	And I made him, like, a lot of the pictures were like of me when I was like 17, 18.
	Okay.
	So not only did you engage him in his desire to be financially dominated, you also engaged him in his word, but no illegal.
	Oh, hold on.
	It's obviously not the P word.
	That's always about prepe.
	I hate when people use this word from fucking high school kids.
	It's not the same shit.
	So it's bad.
	A febophile, whatever.
	Whatever.
	Okay.
	Here.
	Grid one motorsports donated $200.
	Lads, this is why.
	Right here.
	Lying, twisted, pathetic excuses for a human that should be avoided at all cost.
	The number of red flags here can be seen from space.
	Stay far away.
	Do not approach.
	Okay.
	There you have it.
	Grid one motorsports.
	There you have it.
	That guy, grid one motorsports, absolutely correct.
	100% correct.
	That's crazy to me.
	Wait, did it make you feel less bad knowing that he was like trying to solicit from a minor?
	Yeah.
	So you felt like, you know, since he was attracted to minors, he was like going to be like weird as shit.
	I thought it was worth it.
	Good job, Pixie.
	Good job.
	Sorry.
	Nickelodeon, many women don't find a man attractive or interesting unless he's already taken case in point.
	Nala's cheating.
	Then they have the nerve to ask themselves why they can't find good men.
	I've never seen a man with hurt you.
	Yeah.
	I never asked why I couldn't find a good man.
	And like I said, I'm not even looking.
	All right.
	We have Puffy Vega Vegas, I think.
	To the 27-year-old, it doesn't matter if a guy pays 100%, 50%, zero of the bills.
	I've never known a faithful woman, and I've known thousands.
	P.S. I have a 300-plus natural-born female body count of mostly hot girls.
	Okay.
	Nice, good flex.
	Hold on.
	So you're just like paid for them all.
	I'm not going to have a heck of shit then apparently.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	Okay.
	Going around the table on this.
	So I'm just curious on the numbers and I'll try to move through it quickly.
	How many PayPs or sugar daddies have you had?
	Maybe like five.
	Five total.
	Okay.
	What's the most in any one transaction that you've received?
	Like 6K.
	6K?
	Okay.
	And total?
	I have no idea.
	More than six figures?
	Total?
	Like, since I've been doing it?
	From all sugar daddies and pay pigs, I guess.
	Yeah.
	More than six figures?
	Seven figures?
	No?
	Okay.
	Life on easy mode.
	Okay, just writing that in my notes.
	What about you?
	I'm actually not super.
	I don't profit from my OnlyFans.
	Well, have you had sugar daddies?
	I have one kind of.
	One kind of.
	What do you mean?
	So, like, he's also in the military, so they don't really make all that much money, but like, he'll, like, if I tell him, I'll post on my story, like, who wants to pay for my haircut?
	And he'll just send me, or this happened, this particular occasion happened once.
	I posted who wants to pay for my haircut, and he sent me a hundred bucks, didn't even ask me how much it was, you know.
	And then he texted me one time.
	He was like, How much does it take to get your lashes done?
	I said, 30 bucks a week.
	I love you if you're watching.
	That's so pathetic.
	Okay, not for you.
	Just that's so sad.
	I think we call that a simp.
	Okay.
	Oh, we have Derek the Trader here.
	Then we'll get to Nala.
	They're all simps.
	Like, all these people, simps?
	OnlyFans will only get larger.
	I work in finance in 2022 payment to content creators was a staggering 5.6 billion.
	That number is expected to rise significantly in the next five years.
	Okay.
	Failed society.
	All right.
	What about you, Nala?
	I've never had a sugar daddy.
	I've always been really scared of the I'm scared to talk to someone in that way because I feel like I might get a stalker.
	I'm actually genuinely scared.
	Yeah, it's the fetishes that kind of scare me because it drives so hard.
	And so I'm like, you know, OnlyFans is like safe for me because it's one online and that I don't feel like they're sugar daddies.
	They're not giving me gifts.
	They don't have my phone number.
	They can't get in touch with me any other way besides for OnlyFans.
	But like I said, it just scared me.
	Gotcha.
	And then going back to the original thing that we were talking about, I think I was going around on Are You Actually Single?
	I think I got, did I, did we?
	And that's what led into the Alexa.
	You were previously on the show, and in your pre-show notes to us that we kind of discussed in the previous show, you said you have quite a few unique dating stories.
	Two out of your three past serious relationships came from Tinder.
	You also did a challenge where you went on 50 first dates with 50 different men in 50 days.
	Then that's how you started meeting some of your relationships.
	Are you still doing that?
	No.
	I'm so single.
	I haven't been on a date since I've become single in the past several months.
	Really?
	Yes, I've never had a Sherry Daddy.
	Oh, okay.
	I would like to say, like, Lord knows.
	I hear your guys' stories.
	I was raised by a single mom.
	I had to pay for everything growing up.
	I worked 109 hours during the pandemic.
	I worked three jobs.
	I paid my student loans.
	Like, I'm not going to lie.
	It's slightly infuriating to hear how easy it is for you guys.
	And I'm not even mad, but like, part of me is just like, yo, dude, like, there's a lot of people out there that are struggling and they push and push.
	And I'm like, damn.
	You don't have to feel bad.
	All you have to do is eliminate all of your virtues and any sense that you have of shame.
	And then this guy, me and everyone is on the same lines.
	I have only one situation where I turned down.
	I said, I feel like I can think of one situation that was too immoral for me and I turned it on.
	Oh, you turned it down, though.
	Yeah.
	Like, I feel like I'm taking it.
	I actually want to hear what was turning on.
	Yeah, I'm curious.
	I'm very sorry.
	I can't name names, but like, it was an artist that's pretty famous, and I listened to one, so I thought it was going to be a positive situation.
	And very quickly into that interaction, it started going into.
	He started showing me videos of the girls.
	He told me he would want me to take control of his bank account.
	When he releases his next album, I could take all the money and take control of everything.
	He was calling me daddy this entire time, but he wanted me to pimp him out.
	When he told me he wanted to pimp him out, I was kind of saying, I feel like you're in the industry and you would know people could give more money.
	He said he would rather sell himself for cheap.
	He was, and I there was like a video of the videos you were showing me, I don't feel like, I feel like everything, all the Kingswood lists are probably like TOS violations.
	Like basically like everything, that's like a different level of like donated $200.
	The owner of the paid himself $1.3 million a day last year and still owns the billion-dollar company.
	You are all his hookers regardless of how empowered you feel.
	You are not special.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	You know, you can actually sell like cooking shows on OnlyFans?
	Yeah, but most of them don't know.
	All people making money are not selling this.
	Jim, I would say, it's not just that.
	I mean, isn't it your pimp?
	No, obviously not.
	Like, that would be a- Who are we having sex with on OnlyFans?
	Platforms are not pimps because, like, there's a very specific relationship, obviously.
	Otherwise, like, any titty streamer would then be like pimped by Twitch.
	Like, no, obviously not.
	They're not pimps.
	We can talk about like the ethics of OnlyFans.
	That's another conversation.
	Is YouTube pipping you out when he takes it?
	Just to bring it back to Alexa here really quick.
	So you did the whole.
	So what was the, if you can explain really quick, the whole like 50 dates and 50 days with 50 different guys.
	And if you can tell us like the breakdown because there were breaks in that where you actually ended up getting into relationships.
	So can you explain the whole 50 dates, 50 days, 50 different guys thing?
	Yeah, so I didn't start dating until I was like 18, 19.
	And it's just, I haven't, I didn't meet someone that I thought was virtuous of my time, basically.
	And I was busy.
	So I said, okay, let's, let's enter the dating market.
	Let's see how this goes.
	And I said, I don't want to be so picky because I know on dating apps, it's so easy to just do a quick swipe and judge someone so fast.
	So I said, okay, let's push myself.
	Let's do.
	And I'm an extremist in the sense of like, I was like, well, let's try to meet as many people as we can and see if we click with anyone.
	So I was like, I'm going to go on 50 dates in 50 days with 50 different guys.
	So I met my first serious relationship.
	He was date 14.
	I went on a date every single day.
	One day I went on two dates and I was just going through the emotions.
	And it was good in the sense of like you go on a bad date and you don't have time to think about it because you're like on to the next.
	And then I met my first serious relationship and we were together for three and a half years.
	That was my longest relationship.
	You met him on Tinder.
	Yeah.
	And he was someone that I naturally, like, just quick swiping, I probably wouldn't have swiped on him, to be completely honest.
	But because I had to fill the calendar, I was like, he was, he had good banter.
	He, someone looks wise, good looking guy, but just not my typical type.
	And we clicked in when I met him, I said, I really like this guy.
	I could see myself potentially marrying this guy.
	And so I canceled all the dates that I had after him because I was like, I really want to see if this could go somewhere.
	And then three and a half years later, he ended up cheating on me and not being a great guy.
	He was great in the beginning, not great in the end.
	That's totally fine.
	Blessing and a lesson, that's fine.
	And then once I broke up with him, I was like, oh, might as well keep it going.
	And then I went on nine dates.
	And then I met my second serious relationship.
	And we were together for about a year.
	And the joke I make is he got deported.
	But he's from Norway, so it's not a typical deportation.
	Not the deportation that people might think about.
	Yes, exactly.
	And then he was sent away.
	And then you resumed the dates.
	Wait, did you do any, did you do multiple dates in a day?
	I did one.
	One day I was invited to teach.
	Yeah.
	And it was one of those things, like, it was not.
	Was it like exciting?
	Or did you feel bored with it?
	It was more work than anything.
	But again, it was like, I wouldn't go on dates with people I didn't see a possible future with, but it was also like, okay, let's.
	I have to like their profile.
	They have to say something nice.
	And like, I don't, I'm not a hookup girl.
	That's just not.
	Yeah.
	For some people, that's their thing.
	That's not me.
	And when I went on these dates, it's like, once you've, it's almost a thing of like when you meet someone, you actually do click.
	You're like, oh, wait.
	Wow, you're a really great guy.
	I really want to see where this can go.
	And I want to put all my energy into you.
	Was there one particular date that you felt like was like good or bad?
	Really bad?
	Oh, so many.
	Oh, gosh.
	No, there was one guy he truly was a misogynist.
	Like, I hate throwing that word around, but he just kept talking about how like women don't respect him enough and how all of them should be bowing to his feet.
	And he was saying, like, he was explaining to the dates he went on earlier in the week.
	And he's like, no one was like pretty enough, but I guess you're up to my standards, he says.
	He goes, I approve of what you're wearing.
	Oh, and I was like, oh, we love that.
	Also, a guy one time was like.
	Whoa, whoa, but why is it misogynistic for a man to not approve of what a woman is wearing?
	But women are very critical of men's fashion choice.
	Like, women ask about how men have no style and they don't dress well.
	And I'll dress a man.
	I just like our bodies and like.
	So do you guys.
	I feel like Alexa's been like nothing but nuanced.
	And so I suspect if she's willing to say like he's misogynistic, there's probably something more than just like he tore.
	Yeah, he just.
	This is a great part.
	He goes, well, I'm here.
	Most girls are here.
	You're kind of like here.
	And I was just like, and there will not be another date.
	And the woman should have bowed to my feet is probably pretty questionable too.
	It was an interesting.
	And the funny part was he went in for a kiss on the first date.
	And I went, oh no.
	Oh, no.
	You know, granted, he sounds kind of egotistical and a bit full of himself, but prideful.
	Okay.
	So the, and did you mention, so there was the second guy, and then how many dates did you, did you for the shifty?
	No, so it was 14, then nine, then 12.
	And then, and then I quit for a while.
	And honestly, like, I truly believe, like, I think singleness is good for both men and women.
	And getting to know yourself and doing that and focus on, focusing on who you are and growing into being the partner that you want to be is a big thing.
	That's it.
	And so that's literally it.
	Like, how am I supposed to explain myself to you if I don't know myself?
	Yeah, because everyone has a relationship with the right reasons.
	So you gotta like first.
	Yeah, I think the biggest issue is a lot of people go into relationships expecting that person to fix them or to fulfill them.
	And you have to be busy.
	I feel like injured people.
	Yeah.
	Like I'm bored.
	You're lonely or bored.
	Yeah.
	Like I do so many things alone.
	Like, oh, yeah.
	I travel alone all the time.
	All the time.
	So to address your whole 50 dates, 50 men, and we kind of, we won't linger on it too long because we kind of talked about it last show.
	I think you know my thoughts on it.
	If I were to go on a date with a girl and she told, she were to disclose to me that she was doing this and that she had seven dates planned ahead of me, I would end the date right there and be like, enjoy the rest of your dates because that's right.
	But she did say that when she found that guy, she was like, okay, I canceled the rest of the dates.
	Yeah.
	Right, but how do you feel about that?
	Look, it's great that she, it sounds like it, at the end of the day, it worked for her.
	Granted, the three men she did find, it didn't end up working.
	But I would say that there is a decent cohort of men when if they find out that you have a date planned for after them or you have a date, you have seven dates lined up, that's immediately like I'm thinking goodbye.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	Do you feel the same?
	Like Andrew Tate gives this advice as like a dating strat for men to like intentionally try to line up a couple of girls, typically on the same night, he like because he's like all about maximum efficiency.
	Do you feel?
	Do you have like the same feeling of like that's really not okay like, if you're dating for intention, why are you like lining up people?
	It's not so much whether it's okay or not, it's more so um, if your name was Brianna, would that be like a big no for you if you went on a date with Andrew and he had like somebody booked after you?
	It's not so much whether it's okay or not.
	I mean, if some guys might go on a date with her and not they might be dating, going on multiple dates themselves, they might not object to it.
	But I mean, but in your specific, in your specific example, I think if, if women would object to dating a man who has a date right after them or lined up dates, I have no issue with women having the standard of if you're seeing that many men, then I wouldn't want to pursue.
	I wouldn't want to pursue you.
	It's not worth my time.
	You seem like you're just kind of playing the field, whatever.
	It is um, but isn't there kind of a difference though?
	So in the the case of a man, if he's going out on 50 different dates with 50 different women, that actually seems like it might be a pretty good strategy to try to find a woman, whereas women the standard is upheld differently, and maybe it should be, because you kind of think well, maybe she's easier, maybe she's, you know, kind of misganging, this type of thing, whereas when it comes to men, I don't think that that even gives that appearance necessarily, because men aren't the well, men aren't the gatekeepers of sex,
	women are, I mean I. Certain men get like i'm sure we've all because like, guys talk about how, like men have to earn to be able to have sex, but then it's like every girl has a story or has friends with a story of dating a broke loser.
	So it's kind of like if a man has a certain amount of confidence, he can be the gatekeeper of sex.
	But there's also men who are still sometimes they really they really can't be.
	So most, most single men, if it's like um available to them yeah, will take it.
	That's what I said I. There's this thing where I heard and it was a woman will fuck who she wants right, and a man will fuck who he can.
	Yeah sure, the issue is like we keep talking about women sleeping with unvirtuous men, and so it's like I don't care if you're a guy who can get on one date or 50.
	Wouldn't a virtuous man, if we're like caring about this, even if he has the capacity to get 50 dates, wouldn't he still elect to just go for one, because good men should also be vetting the women.
	Well, i'm not sure about maybe in the same day, but what's the lack of virtue here, instead of just going on a different way?
	But I would say that it's the same for the woman.
	I don't think it's obvious to me, especially if she's not sleeping with them, right?
	She's just going on a first.
	I don't know unless she's like only going on dates to get like free food or something.
	Which I think some girls do.
	I would also like to clarify: I did not get free food.
	I did not have half of these dates I paid for it.
	One guy made me pay for half of his meal, and I didn't even eat.
	I was so mad.
	I mean, he went dusty now, I had to pay for his meal.
	The issue is like, what's unethical here isn't the women going on multiple dates, it's her like doing sleazy shit around it, you know, trying to get free food from him.
	So it's a lie, right?
	She's lying to him.
	She's saying, I'm interested in going on a date.
	She's actually just trying to basically get some of his money and get a free meal, which is bad, right?
	Lying's bad, I assume.
	I don't think either one is like unethical, but I could understand the discomfort with it personally because it's like, oh, if I'm going on a date, I just want to enjoy my time with that person.
	And I feel like if the person's telling me, I have seven or nine dates lined up, now that puts a weird pressure on me, that makes me just want to retract and be like, you know what?
	Like, have fun on yourself.
	You're doing swell.
	Yeah, but like the women shuttle this.
	Yeah, there's a lot of pressure.
	If a woman goes on 50 dates, though, and she can probably stop and say, Okay, I'd like to continue to date you, and whoever that guy is will probably agree to do that.
	That's not going to necessarily be the same way the other direction.
	That's the problem.
	I agree, but that's because I think men and women actually vet differently.
	So it's kind of like, have you ever heard the saying, it's easy to get a guy to agree to be your boyfriend and impossible to get him to agree to be your husband?
	I think that's amazing.
	I agree, though.
	There's always this trope of like, men will date you, but they won't marry you, right?
	And I think there's a complicating factor as why men won't marry you, but I think a lot of men will kind of take what they can get because, in large part, they vet the woman in the relationship itself.
	I think a lot more men will walk away from their girlfriend than they will from like a random date because men do have to like throw their net really wide.
	But women have to vet in a different way.
	Women have to vet by like having a really narrow net.
	So in the case of Alexa, she's going on 50 dates, especially in the case you're not sleeping with them, you're not like kissing a lot of them.
	In this case, she's just maximizing vetting people because vetting people over horrible dating apps is the worst experience ever.
	So it's just like different strategies and vetting.
	I don't think one's inherently more like pernicious than the other unless they're doing pernicious things on top of it.
	If anything, it's worse when the man does it if we're talking about sleeping with all of them because men tend to lack sexual discipline and are way more likely to do it.
	And that's another thing, too.
	I feel like we act like, well, men are just going to take what they get so that sexual discipline, like that's a virtue for a man too, to be able to, you know, hold himself to a standard and not sleep with it.
	It is.
	Listen, it is virtuous for men to hold themselves to virtuous standards.
	And that includes, you know, backing away from sexual intercourse with random women and doing, you know, that type of thing.
	I agree that that's true.
	I'm just saying that women in that situation have the control apparatus.
	Okay.
	They always have the control apparatus, except in maybe like super exceptional cases where the guy is a fucking millionaire rock star or something like this.
	Council essentially women are going to be the determinants.
	Andrew, happy St. Andrews Day.
	You're invited to join the Council of Andrews.
	Check out AndrewsOnly.com.
	Ladies, do you agree that Andrew is the best name?
	We have a scholarship for Andrews and Dreus.
	Okay.
	No.
	Andrew is like the most common.
	I lost my virginities one, Andrew.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Is Andrews only like almost everybody?
	I have a question for you here.
	You were on the show previously.
	I should have brought this up honestly during the introductions.
	Our big disagreement for like 50 minutes on the show was and that we so I asked you, generally speaking, are men more physically strong than women?
	And there was a long back and forth.
	I've wanted to just ask the question once more.
	Are men stronger than women?
	Been doing a lot of thinking about this about the conversation and what I would say if it came up again.
	And I want to say, how are we quantifying strength?
	Because we can't, there's a variety.
	Hold on.
	Physically stronger.
	That's it.
	Well, how do you quantify?
	Explosive power.
	Grip strength is like one of the best ways to quantify.
	Well, we brought up the grip strength study.
	Yeah.
	And she did not.
	What did you say?
	I think you said, well, grip strength is only one metric of strength.
	No, grip strength is like one of the most important measures of strength and it correlates because, like there's this weird thing where basically, this is why powerlifters will like get like buttons and like take my.
	I'd like you to at least state your position before people respond to you.
	So I conceded last time as well, you didn't really.
	But so what, you said you've done research and you haven't found what I've done.
	Sorry, we kind of interrupted you, but you were making a point of you, you were thinking about it, doing some research and like what are you mentioning?
	I wasn't really I haven't done research.
	I've just been thinking about like the responses, having conversations with people.
	So like one thought that I had that I've been having is, you know how can we quantify strength and you know in what situations?
	Because I remember you brought up the, or somebody had brought up the situation with the roommates and defending who would I want to defend me?
	I would want the strongest person to defend me.
	Yeah well, I have a way that you could maybe, because I was thinking about this too.
	Okay, here's maybe a good way you can quantify it.
	When you're walking around in your daily life, who do you see lift up more heavy stuff, men or women, usually.
	Who's lifting up the heavier stuff include heavy people.
	Yeah, I'm a dancer, so I see you know women include everything, everything that could ever be in existence.
	Who's picking up the heavier stuff usually?
	Who's carrying the couches.
	Who's loading the trucks, who's unlike.
	You know who's doing all that stuff that you see, have you had?
	Have you ever had any movers?
	No um actually, my response to that is both because my, my stepdad will usually be one of the ones moving stuff, and then he will recruit my younger sister, who is super heavy in the gym, and all that over another.
	Is your stepdad stronger than your sister?
	I was?
	I don't know, they're about equal.
	She probably works out more than him, but he's a police officer.
	So that's also the argument though, isn't it?
	Um, she has to work out wait, but before hold on.
	No no no, but but I I want you to fully, because we've kind of interrupted you a little bit.
	So you said that you've been having conversations with people, and what have you arrived?
	Have you arrived at anything?
	What do you have any further thoughts?
	How do you quantify strength?
	Continue um, so I think there's a lot of different ways that we can quantify strength and there's no physical strength?
	Yes um, and I don't think there's.
	Like you were saying, it's one of grip.
	Strength is one of the best ways to be able to tell you know how overall strong someone might be, and I think that's a good point and I think that's worth considering.
	But I don't think it's like the one all be all, because what would that be?
	I don't know.
	So they're, Or, unless somebody can tell me, because like, when you look at men and women in society, do you see that men are bigger than women?
	Taller, bigger.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yes, the average height of an American man is 5'8.
	And do you think that that means that they got a bigger skeleton?
	Like denser bones?
	No, just a bigger muscular skeleton.
	Yes, necessarily.
	They have a bigger skeleton, and a bigger skeleton can do what?
	If they have a bigger skeleton, you can do what with it?
	I guess hold more things.
	I don't know.
	Harness more leverage.
	Okay, okay, that makes that sense.
	And you can also have larger amounts of body mass around a larger skeleton, right?
	So the thing is, if the capacity is there for the thing that's bigger versus the thing that's not as big, which one would you judge as being generally stronger than the other?
	Like if you saw a kitty cat versus a lion, which thing would you think was stronger?
	The lion.
	Why?
	Hold on.
	Because it's because the lion has bigger, lots bigger, right?
	Although, to be fair, really big powerlifters actually carry less weight per poundage for their own body because leverage does create like fulcrum points that are bad, which is why women in powerlifting are kind of insane.
	They don't lift the heaviest weight, but they lift pound for pound, especially in legs.
	They're starting to come close to men.
	I feel like you just went over with a big bag of dirt and poured it right into the water.
	I should have said, hold on, I'm going to stir the pot.
	Obviously, men are on average stronger by like obvious.
	I just want to say that.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I like the kitty cat and the lion.
	And you really just correct that.
	But before we interrupt her, I'd like to give her an opportunity to actually finish her full thought.
	Go ahead.
	Mr. Interrupter over here.
	Just go ahead.
	Just go ahead.
	Got to get myself back on track.
	Okay.
	What was the final point that I had?
	So you said you were consulting with people, with various experts, I assume.
	My mommy.
	But you were having conversations.
	So what scientists?
	And it sounded like you rejected, we showed you that grip strength study.
	You rejected that because while you might acknowledge that it's a factor in strength, it might not be the ultimate test or indicator that would determine who might, comparatively, who might be stronger, men or women.
	So what else?
	I think it also depends on how much protectiveness somebody feels over the person that they might be defending or themselves, how much adrenaline, I guess, is pumping.
	Maybe not literally how much adrenaline, but like how crazy they are.
	In the adrenaline example, wouldn't you have to compare an adrenalized man to an adrenalized woman?
	So if we just compared both of them in an adrenalized state, in an adrenalized state, who's stronger, men or women?
	So it would have to consider the adrenaline, and I feel like more.
	I'm almost curious if I'd be curious to see studies if men produce more adrenaline.
	I don't know.
	I was thinking, but I'd be curious if men produce more adrenaline in sort of fly-to-flight situations.
	Of course they do.
	Maybe if there's a mom, wouldn't she produce more adrenaline if she felt like her kid was in danger?
	Exactly.
	This is the point that I made oriented.
	I don't know.
	So go ahead.
	Continue.
	Now I'm interrupting.
	I apologize.
	Go ahead.
	The fact that you brought up the mom situation was another point that I was considering.
	I know that my mom would be able to defend me so much better than my biological.
	Sure, but the question, the original question that this kind of stemmed from was: are men stronger than women physically?
	Just on average.
	That's it, just on average.
	I think it would just be so hard to find an average, I think, is what the conclusion that I might have somewhat come to last time, but like I wanted to verbalize it better, or if I got the opportunity, wanted to verbalize it better.
	If I see the numbers and we're taking each individual man and each individual woman, and there's a list of the ones that are strong, I guess.
	Like, like I said, it's so hard to quantify these things.
	So, like, who is stronger, men or women?
	Does anybody understand what I'm saying?
	No, I have no idea.
	I literally have no clue.
	Like, obviously, men can be like domestic violence victims, but for example, I feel like usually like a big reason in why.
	Can we not say that more?
	No, sorry, no, no, you're not.
	No, that's funny.
	Why women tend to be like, you know, more, not trying to say that it doesn't happen to men because I'm sure there are, you know, men getting roughed around by, it's because, like, you know, like, usually it's harder for us to fight back because we're like weaker than that.
	That's not really related to the conversation.
	Well, I've been saying the sense of I feel like when we're talking about the menu, are you saying that women can beat up men?
	Yes, they can.
	Yeah, but no, it's not what I was saying.
	I was saying the reason that the majority of the case I would say are usually the woman is the victim is because if the strength is more half half, wouldn't we fight back in those situations more often?
	Well, that's a and our adrenaline is up to.
	And our adrenaline is up.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And usually when a girl is a victim of DV, they end up beat up not fighting back and having, you know, three rounds and just like doing MMA fighting.
	Like, usually the woman is the one who, you know?
	Okay.
	Do you want to continue with your point?
	I think just the main point that I want to that is important for me to say is the ability to quantify these things.
	The strength and then the comparison of the strengths between an entirety, you know, 8 billion people.
	We have 4 billion men approximately and 4 billion women approximately.
	I think it would be crazy to even try.
	Beaten Cheeks donated $200.
	Andrew, please cook them into going back to the easiest class in elementary school about physical strength between boys and girls.
	P, I'm getting dumb with listening to the libs than watching monkeys work.
	Okay, first of all, this is not a libs talking going on.
	Okay, I've been very explicitly clear as a progressive lib that I would disagree with this.
	Obviously, men are normatively more strong.
	Just like, obviously, I think that's only not true in hyenas, but that's because female hyenas have a shitload of testosterone, which is like.
	There is some set of feminists, though, and I'm not trying to like straw men feminists or whatever, but there is some like deranged feminist that, like, I don't know if you're familiar with this.
	Anita Sarkeesian, this is like way back.
	She made a whole tropes versus video games or something.
	She claimed that it's a trope that men are physically stronger.
	Well, I don't, this was a decade ago, so I don't remember exactly what she said, but she was essentially saying that there actually is no physical strength.
	A lot of like cringy third-wave feminists were just obsessed with women being men.
	But the fourth wave, most fourth-wave feminists, for example, would fully reject that.
	But continue.
	It actually makes sense because it would go against the oppressive narrative if they said suddenly that women were stronger than men.
	They couldn't say that men oppressed them.
	So that kind of counterintuitive to feminism.
	let me just ask the question are men physically stronger than women we already went over this I have a hard time.
	Is there because I was trying to beat good faith here?
	Like, is there just some metric of strength that you think women are better on or something, and that's why you're having a hard time say, or like, what metric is giving you hesitancy?
	Is there a sport that you think like women would continue to do?
	Is it just the gym?
	Is there like pain tolerance?
	Paint all arts is a good sport.
	And I sports women with that.
	I'm just saying this lowly metric makes sense.
	So, like, super endurance running, for example, women are starting to compete at equal levels and slightly more, specifically because of like body fat composition and like water amounts and pain tolerance.
	That like women are starting to slightly outcompete men on like super marathons.
	Nick, can you pull up boys versus men, or sorry, boysverswomen.com?
	We already looked at it.
	We'll look at it for 10 seconds and then high school boys, high school boys, if you put the, in the U.S., if you put them against gold medalists in the Olympics, and this is not just in the U.S., this is the highest level of achievement in women's sports.
	So hold on, let me read this, Nick's.
	Scroll up.
	Male high school athletes, so I'm assuming this is U.S. male high school athletes versus female Olympians.
	So this isn't just U.S. female Olympians.
	This is all Olympians from the entire world, every single country.
	If boys, high school boys, win against the fastest women, is it fair for males?
	Well, that's okay.
	That's another conversation.
	So if you allowed high school boys to compete against female Olympians, the boys would steal all those medals from the women.
	So just scroll down just a bit.
	We won't see the whole thing, but track and field.
	2016 high school boys versus 2016 Olympic women's finalists.
	Scroll down the bit Nick.
	So this is for the 100 meter.
	No, no, no, up, And it's going to re-sort.
	So those are high school boys who would outperform the Olympian women.
	Scroll down just a tad.
	We'll just look at one more and we won't linger.
	This is 400 meter, 800 meter.
	And it's going to re-sort here.
	Okay, so high school boys, who certainly are, I assume, are not even at their athletic peak, are out-competing female Olympians.
	Just U.S. high school boys are out-competing all the women in the world who are at the peak of within their gender.
	Okay.
	Must be steroids.
	So how can you explain that high school boys are out-competing women if not for having more strength, for example?
	Or fast Twitch?
	I mean, these are races, so that's probably more related to your fast Twitch muscle fibers and stuff.
	Explosive power, yeah.
	Okay.
	But you know what?
	Related to that, Nick, can you pull up photos of male sprinters versus female sprinters just to see what their bodies look like?
	I should look at the, there's a video of a female sprinter like paced alongside a male sprinter video.
	It's really, it's probably the, I used to actually agree with you.
	And then my husband, when we were just starting to date, just showed me like Serena Williams being like, I would never, and then the like U.S. soccer team of women Olympians losing to like the U16 boys team.
	And I was like, okay, this is just like brain rock.
	And it was bad.
	Like they lost.
	It was scorched.
	It was scorched.
	It wasn't even close.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They were laughing at me.
	It was pretty funny.
	Okay.
	So the way that I'm looking at strength is less in sports and stuff and more in like physical combat and stuff.
	Like, okay, well, what about Navy SEALs?
	There are like hardly ever any.
	I don't even know what to do.
	Women Navy SEALs to me that is women would never compete in a male fighting sport ever.
	They would get comfortable.
	In fact, this is like part of the trans athlete conversation is that like trans athletes, even after doing a whole bunch of stuff to like make them like their tee and stuff similar to cis women, all the cis women that have fought them and like they punch like nothing I've ever experienced.
	It's like a truck hitting your face.
	I almost wonder if you don't want to concede this because then it would because perhaps you have a corresponding position on the trans people in sports thing.
	And if you were to concede that men are physically stronger than women or males are stronger than females, then you then must concede that we should not have trans women in women's sports.
	Is that what this stems from?
	I don't think so.
	I think it's more just to do with my personal experience with my mother and like her.
	Like, I know she could whoop anybody's ass.
	Like, my dad's family.
	No, your mother could not whoop anybody's ass.
	You think she could beat up Joe Rogan?
	Mike Tyson?
	I don't know if she was angry enough.
	No, that's not.
	Your degree, your degree of anger does not dictate your ability to beat someone in a fight who is, say, two times as strong as you and two who weighs twice as much as you and who's a foot taller than you in a fist fight.
	Let me ask.
	Here, can we pull up?
	And are we talking about a professional fist fight?
	Hold on.
	No, no, no.
	Anyway, pull up.
	Pull up a photo of Brock Lesnar.
	So, your mom, how tall is your mom?
	She's five foot.
	She's how tall?
	Five foot.
	Five foot.
	Okay, she's five foot.
	Nick, you got the photos?
	Nick.
	She's going to be so happy after that.
	Just Brock Lesnar image.
	Sorry, she got a stronger.
	Also, not saying women can't be badass.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We have to work.
	Wait, before you pull it up, before you pull it up, your mom could beat up anybody.
	I'm pretty confident she could beat up a lot of people.
	I don't know about anybody, anybody, but I'm going to confidently.
	What percentage of men could your mom beat up at 5'4 ⁇ , do you think?
	At 5-foot.
	She's 5'5.
	Oh, excuse me.
	She's four inches shorter than that.
	You are aware that the average male height is like 5'9, 5'10.
	I believe last time I checked it, it was a 5'8, yeah.
	Well, it depends.
	It depends what country, but in the U.S., I agree with you.
	In any case, so what percentage of men in the U.S. do you think that your mom could beat up?
	How much does she weigh, too, by the way?
	Right now, she's at.
	She's going to be uncomfortable with me talking about this.
	I think like 140.
	Your five-foot mother's going to be uncomfortable about you talking about her beating up men.
	No, about her weight.
	Her weight.
	Okay.
	I guess, yes, it's rude to ask a woman's age and weight.
	What percentage of men do you think your mom could beat up?
	My guess would probably be.
	Fist fight, no, like hidden weapons or any shit.
	Teeth, nails, everything.
	Fighting dirty.
	Anything to the big she can use.
	Fighting dirty, I think approximately.
	The man can fight dirty too.
	Yeah, approximately 80%.
	Holy fuck, you're delusional.
	Have you ever seen a fist fighting a moment?
	You are delusional.
	Have you ever seen my dude?
	You are delusional than my dad.
	Have you ever been trained in any sort of animation?
	That's the first question.
	Wait, wait.
	Oh, my God.
	Not even to like karate.
	Male kick is going to be lethal.
	Okay, do you have the Brock Lesnar clip?
	So before you pull it up, oh, well.
	Wait.
	Just the first one.
	Do the first one, the Wikipedia.
	The first one.
	The first one.
	Could your mom beat him up?
	So Brock Lesnar, I think he's like well over six feet.
	He's probably over 200 pounds.
	Could your mom beat him up?
	You said he's six feet?
	Forget, just based off.
	Anyone, though.
	No, no, no, but that's fine.
	Could your mom?
	20%.
	Huh?
	He could be in the 20% that she can't beat up.
	No, but could.
	No, no, no.
	Could he?
	She could probably do it.
	Yeah, forget his height.
	Forget his height.
	Let's say this is five foot Brock Lesnar.
	This is his name.
	Could your mom beat up Brock Lesnar?
	You have seen it.
	She might.
	She might be able to.
	Okay, but you're so.
	Oh my God, you're delusional.
	You are delusional.
	I'm sorry, but there's no other way to say this.
	Do you think your mom could beat up out of 4 billion men?
	80% of them.
	No, we said in the U.S.
	We did say in the US.
	Okay, 300 million.
	We have 150, let's say 100 million men.
	I bet you your mom could beat up like a guy who's like a paraplegic and was like 80.
	And like maybe a bit more, but like this is where like, oh God, theory of violence is really important.
	And our society has the worst.
	And women have a way worse theory of violence than men because every man knows that he is not taking on a 6'2 bro, even if he's 5'8, right?
	Like no shot because it's like going, your mom is going into a sword fight with a little dagger.
	Like the reach alone is so dangerous.
	Like, no, it's going into a night.
	No, it's worse.
	It has gone with an eye.
	She might not be able to even reach his head to punch him in the head.
	Right.
	And this is why like Brock Lesnar is an F-16 and your mom is a needle.
	That's that's the distinct, that's the difference.
	Literally.
	That would be the distinction.
	And I feel like if we could like have even fight, like feminists, would it be like, you know, arguing things probably just fight back against men.
	Just beat them all up.
	That's the logic.
	Can you say that?
	What?
	Oh, this way.
	No, yeah.
	Okay, so sorry, that was my UC.
	What is the.
	I want to ask the whole table here.
	Not to not to like because I fight.
	I fight.
	I fucking have senseis that will slap me in the fucking face.
	It doesn't matter how much I'm like, yeah, I got this.
	I'm a, yeah, I'm just mad.
	Like, let's just go.
	Man, people put me in my place so fast.
	Like, it's not funny.
	Like a four, let's say like a 40.
	My sensei, she'll probably beat up both my sensei who have years of experience.
	I have a question.
	So, so, okay.
	Um, in and knowledge, did you say you do jiu-jitsu?
	I do, yeah, like grappling.
	So, I've heard this: like, a male blue belt, and by the way, belts and like it takes a long time to get belts in.
	Years.
	Jiu-Jitsu, it's a lot longer than like the best.
	So, in jujitsu, my understanding is like a male, same weight, a male blue belt is going to tap a female black belt.
	Period.
	It has a lot to do with weight.
	Weight is what's keeping you down.
	I would argue, even like same weight, like a male.
	Look, maybe also, I wrestle, I did wrestling in high school.
	We had women on the team.
	And typically, like the women, when they went to the tournaments, like they typically, more often than not, they lost.
	Okay.
	By the way, can I just instruct my team and my audience who are watching this to begin the meme generation of my mom can beat up Brock Lesnar?
	Do it immediately, as fast as you possibly can.
	I don't understand why.
	I think, here's the thing: it should be like you had to like calculate whether, like, what if the adrenaline?
	It's like, it should be an instant fucking factor.
	No, there's no factors.
	You see a photo of Brock Lesnar, you know that your mom is five feet.
	It should be instantaneous.
	Nah, she could kill her.
	But it also depends on how smart they are and how quick they are.
	How small they are.
	He does.
	Even if he wasn't sit on her and be done.
	Like, let's be real.
	You don't even have experience.
	You could stay on her.
	But you said it comes down to intelligence.
	No, it doesn't come down to, but I think that's another factor.
	Like, if you're quick on your feet and if you know fighting skills, I think that those things are.
	Is your mom a professional fighter?
	It can help.
	Let me ask you this question.
	Let's say Brock Lesnar, but so Brock Lesnar, granted, is a UFC fighter.
	Let's just say he's totally untrained, but in that body, totally untrained male, has never took in a boxing class, hasn't even done like Tai Bow, fucking nothing.
	He just goes to the gym and he attained that build.
	Just goes to the gym, zero fight training.
	Your mom at five feet, she is the pound for pound best MMA fighter in the world.
	Does your mom still beat in a fight?
	Does she beat up Brock Lesnar?
	I say there's probably an 85 to 90% probability that she could.
	This is some girl math.
	This is girl math right here.
	85 to 90%.
	I am super ignorant, so this is a genuine question.
	Yeah.
	Because I've read some stuff about certain, what is it?
	And it's not to define.
	It's just out of curiosity because I know you do martial arts.
	Like certain martial arts.
	If you get really well trained, you can use opponents like own like body or like physical against them.
	There's also so many other things, like pressure points and stuff, but they'd have to be in that position at that moment to do that.
	And they're also feeling there is just not like the case all the time.
	By the way, men can be so physically, overpoweringly strong that it doesn't matter where you get them with the leverage.
	It doesn't matter any of that.
	They don't even move.
	That guy pound for pound can take on a fucking bear, right?
	I think this is actually mad.
	Just one thing, $200.
	Is she confused about who can win a fight when arguing?
	Because this chick doesn't know when to tap on.
	Maybe her mom doesn't either.
	Stop hitting her.
	She's brain dead.
	I guess this is like a really big safety thing, too.
	This is why I fight really hard against feminists who say this.
	Any girl who's like dating a boy, ask him to try to just bear hug you like physically, like don't get him to choke you or anything.
	Just restrain you and say, don't let me go and I'm going to fight as hard as I can.
	It's really important that women understand.
	Like this is why I'm all for women taking self-defense courses and stuff, but the best self-defense, as my cop dad would say, is screaming, please fucking help me.
	Yeah, whistles.
	And trying to run and whistles and stuff.
	It's really important that women understand.
	Like this is why when women talk about like feeling unsafe around men and men like are poo-pooing it, it's like, no, this is why this really, really matters is because the power disparity between the average man and the average woman, I'm the same height as my husband.
	He would fucking, if he wanted to kill me, he could kill me at literally any time, no matter what.
	And only if I had a gun could maybe I do, and if we're in close quarters, I still might be fucked.
	But even then, they usually take the guns away from the women.
	True.
	Well, also, feminism is giving women.
	Testosterone has a lot to do with it, which we lack in as females.
	Testosterone pushes buttons in men.
	And the higher it goes, and like the more enraged you are as a man.
	I've seen it.
	Like, it's not just that, but testosterone is the building blocks for things like muscle.
	I mean, you need it for almost everything.
	Absolutely.
	For men, it's the fountain of youth.
	That's what testosterone is for us.
	The first point was so good.
	Ask a man to just hold, even just squeeze you kind of hard.
	You can't even breathe.
	Like, I just actually had this happen, and this guy was like six foot tall.
	And I was like, he just hugged me so tight and cracked my back.
	I was like, oh my God.
	Like, it was just like intense.
	And I fight.
	Unless five days a week, actually.
	So that was like, and I wasn't trying to fight him, but his strength alone was like surprising to me.
	And I was like, wow.
	And I've been in similar situations to that.
	I'm not going to say that I can beat up any man.
	I can't beat up my own.
	Like, I can't beat up any woman.
	I'm weak as fuck physically.
	I don't know.
	You can't beat up Nick.
	You might beat me up.
	Oh, that's a good point.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Probably not.
	Like, I mean, I used to get in fights with my ex, and I'd freaking start him, and I'd still get my ass whooped.
	You know, physical fights?
	Like, you and you.
	You would, oh, it was, like, mutually violent?
	You would start fights?
	Physical fights?
	The physical part of my fight.
	He would be like verbally abusive, and then I would just have a meltdown and then just start flailing my arms everywhere.
	I never do that.
	Failing your arm.
	What do you mean?
	At him.
	Failing your arms, like, so pure, demonstrate for me.
	That's a pretty good demonstration.
	This?
	I don't think, I mean, it's like an Irish dance.
	I don't know.
	But, I mean, I have, and I had deep regrets about that, and it was very wrong of me.
	You did it multiple times?
	Yes.
	You said he was being verbally abusive, so what would he say that would compel you to physically strike him?
	God, it's been so long.
	It's been a long time.
	You are saying clearly, though, it was wrong, not okay.
	Yes, absolutely.
	But what was he saying that precipitated you physically assaulting him?
	Intentionally hurtful things.
	Such as?
	I don't remember.
	It's been amazing.
	Give me one example.
	Because you said this happened multiple times.
	Yeah.
	Does it matter?
	Yeah, like.
	Well, I mean, doesn't like justify that.
	No, I don't think it's ever justified to strike somebody.
	And I'm sure you don't.
	It's just like, it feels like now.
	You're digging into it for like salacious.
	Which feels odd.
	It's her personal, like.
	Okay, well, I'm still asking.
	So it was what he was saying and the intention to hurt me behind it and then also build up.
	Like it would be a long, hurtful conversation, and then like I would get so angry that I would have a fucking outburst.
	Well, damn, it's embarrassing to talk about this.
	Was it unilaterally verbally abusive?
	Like when you were engaging in these arguments and like you were just not saying anything mean to him and like I assume there was some there was times where I did say some mean things to him but there was a lot of times especially like in the last like year of the relationship where I did my best to not verbally engage with those things.
	I would just tell him like it's wrong for you to say this to me.
	It's wrong for you to gaslight me.
	I would try my best to calmly or at the very least harmlessly explain like why he's hurting me and then he would continue to do it and then that's whenever I would have a physical reaction.
	Would he strike you back or he would just less I mean there was certain times where he striked me back.
	But most of the time he just allowed you to no not allowed he would just like restrain me.
	Okay.
	But he would most of the time he would not like strike you back.
	Most of you attacked him and he restrained you.
	Yeah, I think I think I mean if I'm understanding what you're asking correctly.
	Again, just to be clear, like she's saying that this was wrong.
	So I understand like digging into it, but like the fact that she's being honest about it and saying like this isn't okay is a good thing.
	I appreciate that.
	Even though we would all agree it's not a good thing.
	I just like I'm really worried about like what the chat's now like going and doing right now where it's like just so it's clear her saying like this was incorrect and showing remorse is the correct response to that past.
	Yeah.
	I'm just curious.
	One example of something he said that made you strike him?
	I had okay.
	I had told him that I was really insecure and I felt like really lazy about like not being able to do schoolwork, not having the motivation to clean my room.
	And then he would go and be like, you're a lazy piece of shit or something along that.
	Not a nice thing to say.
	No, no, no.
	So he said that.
	I just made up of those.
	You slapped him.
	What did you do?
	That actually, that one time specifically my mind, we were having an argument in the car on the way to his family's house.
	And he, I don't remember what the argument was about or nothing like that, but I remember he got out of the car.
	He was about to go get his stuff out of the trunk or something like that.
	And on his way, opening the door, he was like, you're lazy as fuck.
	Or that, like, that's why you're lazy.
	Or, you know, he said it in a way that like was intentional to dig at me.
	So I got out of the car and I went, walked around the car to where he was.
	And I tried, I just swung and tried to slap him.
	I didn't slap him that time, I don't think.
	I don't remember exactly how it went down, but yeah.
	How old was he?
	We were the same age.
	I don't remember what in the time period this was in a relationship, but probably 16.
	We were probably both 16.
	Let's bring it back to the strength thing.
	So, okay.
	I don't think I honestly have much more to say.
	Like I said, there's a lot of factors that go into it.
	The adrenaline, the intellect of an individual, how quick they are on their feet, fighting skills that they have, all of these things.
	What would it take to convince you that you're incorrect about this?
	Statistics.
	We showed you.
	We showed you the grip strength study.
	We showed you in the previous episode that the male deadlift, what?
	Deadlifting?
	Yes, I was about to say, the deadlift, it was like almost men, the world record is twice as much in deadlift for men as it is in women.
	And I showed you that gold medal comparison that high school boys who are not at the top of the hierarchy when it comes to athleticism, well, I mean, compared to female Olympians, they out-compete female Olympians.
	So what, I'm, I'm failing to see what it would take.
	Does anybody here at the table think that there's a smoking gun that would convince her that men are just physically stronger than women, generally speaking?
	No.
	And I'm asking the chat too, if the chat has any, if we're missing something here that would help us, is there like a smoking gun piece of, I don't know if it is.
	What would it take to convince you that your mom couldn't beat up 80% of the men?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I'm sure I can be proven wrong on that.
	I'm not like firm on it.
	He asked me what percentage or, you know, whatever.
	I just gave.
	There was like a meta-analysis of like 10,000 data points, and it was like conclusive that on average, men hold like more explosive power on every single like metric and their anthropomology literally is towards them being like stronger.
	Would you, would that convince you?
	I think so.
	I think from everything that I received from the point that you were making, those do exist.
	They exist.
	And they're pretty strong.
	Overwhelmingly.
	Like could never be refuted.
	But I used to think what you thought.
	So like, but I just hope that you, at least you understand what I'm saying, especially because you used to have that perspective, that it's strength can be, is so many different things at once.
	Sure, the issue is that like when it comes to every single metric of strength, men just out-compete.
	And like at the end of the day, so I do understand what you're saying.
	It's just like, I think at some point it's okay to be like, hmm, yeah, I guess I was incorrect about that, which is like, honestly, I've come here to learn, to try to, you know, expand my ability to debate.
	Being in a group dynamic like this where, like everyone's just like take hot shots, isn't exactly the best space to be, like waving the humble flag, either because I don't think anyone will take it so and I have been pretty firm about this but because nobody put it the way that she just put it.
	There's no.
	Or I was really asking for what?
	How did you put it?
	A meta-analysis of what?
	10,000 plus points like sorry, like data points, like an N of 10,000?
	Okay, I don't know if you know what an N is, but so if you guys could have just done that.
	Mr. Professional Debater, like you, I mean, I'm so frustrated.
	You say you're a professional debater and then you immediately get fired up when somebody doesn't agree with you or when something isn't making complete sense, when you haven't let somebody complete their point.
	Listen and no, you listen to me.
	Give me.
	How much more time do I need to let you talk?
	I barely said anything to you, so listen.
	You're telling me to listen in the middle of the day, so listen, listen when you say mr. Mr. Professional Debater.
	Here's me, Mr. Professionally debating.
	But you're so fucking stupid you don't understand.
	Men are stronger than women.
	You're not worth debating it's.
	You're not smart enough to have the conversation, just sit there.
	It's crazy to me.
	Why would I need to debate with you that the sky is blue or that there's clouds or that?
	Why would I debate those things?
	You chose to come on the podcast.
	Yeah, I didn't coach.
	Come on the podcast to choose to debate with a clown doesn't know that men are stronger than women.
	You would ever dispute that.
	Like, don't have the conversation.
	Don't interact.
	Just sit back, relax, takes the conversation.
	I have been, but we could just end up the conversation.
	I haven't been doing this, but you deserve it.
	Honestly, that her opinion couldn't kind of been swayed.
	You should have been, okay, that's the end of the conversation.
	Let's move on.
	It's just kind of been like, I actually feel like, as a woman, it's like it's not really the girl power point it's supposed to be when like, I feel like a big basis of a lot of women's issues is we can't fight back, you know.
	So I feel like okay, not not totally related, but the thing is is that it's it's shocking to hear somebody say that, because it in the same way that Andrew said he doesn't want to debate whether the sky is blue you don't really like.
	How do you like?
	It's almost self-evident that men are stronger than women.
	It need not even be there need not even be studies done, but they've done many studies comparing strength, for example.
	Do you?
	You do acknowledge that men, generally speaking, are larger in size right, and so that might manifest itself, for example, in the components that make up your body, right?
	So if you're physically bigger, that means you have more fat.
	You have more uh skeleton uh, you have more muscle, correct okay?
	Now what if you lift weights and you start getting stronger, you start developing what muscle, right?
	So do you acknowledge that men, on average, have more muscle than women?
	Yes, I think we had this come this part of the conversation last time, where there is more muscle on the average.
	If you have more muscle, do you, are you gonna be stronger?
	Generally speaking, we can get into like different types of muscle fibers and you know, I mean I don't need the necessarily the muscle fibers, but I would say yes, the somebody that has more muscle has stronger.
	No, I don't.
	I don't lift weights, so I'm not going to say that I'm strong that's, that's fine.
	If you started to lift weights, would you anticipate an increase in your muscle size?
	As long as I'm feeding my body nutritiously, I would say so.
	Yes, okay.
	And correspondingly, if you started lifting weights, your strength would increase correct okay, so your muscle size would increase, you'd be able to lift more weights.
	So, if men have more muscle mass, wouldn't it be?
	Generally, you concede that men, on average, have more muscle mass than women just due to their larger physical size?
	Yes, and I think I think so.
	So do you?
	Do you then think, because you've conceded that men have more muscle mass, you concede that they're physically larger because men have more muscle mass on average?
	Would you say that, on average, due to men's greater muscle mass, that they're stronger than women?
	Logically yes, that makes sense.
	What do you mean logically, yes.
	The reason that I have an issue conceding on this topic is because I don't want to put out there to the men that aren't willing, to the audience that isn't willing to look at all of the aspects in it in the strength.
	So I don't want to just be like willy-nilly, men are stronger than women because, like we've discussed, there are so many women that are stronger than men.
	And we haven't taken.
	That's not the point.
	Okay, but we've already addressed that before.
	So are there women that are stronger than men?
	Absolutely.
	Are there women that could beat up men?
	Absolutely.
	But just because there are women that could beat up men does not mean that all women could beat up all men.
	Yeah, I know.
	But so we're not saying, we're not saying I don't even know how to argue this.
	I don't know.
	Can we stop talking to Brooke from our side?
	Obviously, men are stronger than women.
	Let's move on to others on the panel instead of focusing on whether the sky is blue.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	And I would love to move on to the next one.
	Yeah, I'll move on.
	I'm going to move on.
	This space doesn't make it okay or easy to be wrong.
	And I think, like, for example, like all the chat being like, ha ha, yeah, it's awesome.
	She's just some dumb bimbo bitch.
	It's like, that's exactly the problem with all of this, like, ideological wrestling, is that it's damn near impossible to do.
	Ideological wrestling.
	I mean, you yourself have said that, but you really agree with you.
	You agree that men are strong.
	I don't think this is like this simple, simple thing.
	For example, it's very simple.
	Hold on.
	It is.
	Why are women out competing on super marathons all of a sudden?
	Do you know why that is?
	No, tell us.
	No, we actually just.
	No, that's the interesting question.
	Why the fuck are women doing so well on super marathons?
	Why would that matter to this claim?
	Because I'm not saying that it matters to this claim.
	I'm saying being really nasty towards somebody who is having a hard time admitting that they're wrong in a space that it's really hard to ever be wrong in, I think, is just shit.
	No, we don't need to.
	We don't need a fodder.
	I think that's a good fodder.
	Kyla, I would say that that's totally fair.
	Just let Andrew respond.
	This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
	We went through this for like two hours last time with her on.
	Hang on, stop, stop.
	Last time I was on whatever, went through two hours.
	So she had all that time to come back for that one big claim the whole time to just Google, are men stronger than women?
	And the big Google box which goes yes and big neon signs and there's going to be sparkles and flowers poofing that just yes.
	Yes.
	She could have done that.
	She didn't.
	So yeah, is he poking fun of her and laughing at her?
	Yeah.
	Does she deserve it?
	Yeah.
	Is she going to learn from it?
	Probably not.
	Should you do it for like 30 to 50 minutes is kind of my question.
	I think two hours, three hours, four hours.
	Hold on, can I finish my thoughts?
	With love.
	I think it's like a pretty bad position.
	I think you're wrong, obviously, right?
	And I think like holding to it regardless of anything is like probably not a good look.
	The issue is like after her and I has exchanged, she's like, okay, yeah, I guess you're right.
	But then we just needed to go back into it and like rake things over the coals again.
	And you had to have your big diatribe about like how she's dumb and not worth debating ever and stuff like that, which I'm not even disagreeing with you.
	The issue is like, why is this nasty behavior necessary when we all pretend like we're here to like wrestle with ideas and try to figure out like the answers to reality?
	None of these types of orientations.
	Because it's a rejection of reality.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	It does matter.
	No, it doesn't matter about the way that you treat other people.
	Yes, it does.
	Listen, is that when you say it's not tone police?
	I'm not saying you're like doing dogs.
	If you're going to wrestle with different ideas, you're going to wrestle with different things that people believe.
	You have to risk being offensive.
	And sometimes you have to be mean to jar them out of their nonsense and their bullshit.
	I've had to do it hundreds of times.
	You've had to too.
	I've seen you do it.
	Yeah, I'm really.
	So let's not pretend for a second that this is somebody on some big white horse, right, trying to ride in and save her from something that she should have.
	That what should have happened instead, she should have just been like, listen, doofus, stop doing that shit.
	Sure.
	So when you guys are talking about the music, hold on, hold on.
	Please, let me, please.
	It'll take two seconds.
	When you guys were running in circles last time and this time, okay.
	When you guys were running in circles in this conversation this time and last time, failing to understand what I was trying to say.
	And maybe I wasn't putting it across the best way.
	Maybe I wasn't.
	And I can admit to that, and I wasn't.
	That's fine.
	Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
	Okay, okay.
	It was just not productive because you guys were completely failing to understand the point that I was trying to make.
	Which was what?
	Which was, it's very hard to quantify strength.
	No, it's not, though.
	She just said that there was 10,000 pull-ups.
	But you said, you said it's hard to quantify strength.
	So what about all, like, for example, in physical education, I think you had to do like pull-ups and push-ups.
	Like, if you just took like an untrained, like an untrained boy and an untrained girl, like men, did you take PE in high school?
	Or in, yeah.
	Like, was there a pull-up test?
	Was there running?
	Was there push-ups?
	Typically, the women were allowed to do push-ups on their knees.
	Did you do push-ups on your knees in physical education?
	Were the boys able to do push-ups without being on their knees?
	So, okay, that's chest strength, push strength.
	Do you think this motion, when it comes to self-defense, the ability to force like literally a punch?
	This is a punching motion.
	So your push-up strength would translate to perhaps your strength when punching somebody.
	Don't you think that that could be an indicator?
	Maybe?
	Yes, it is an indicator.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	But you said quantify.
	So let's say the boys in physical education class in junior high school and high school, they're able to do push-ups not using their knees, and they can do far more than women.
	Would that be quantifying men's strength versus women's strength?
	Or what about pull-ups?
	I remember when I was in high school, I could do 10 pull-ups.
	The girl, maybe two girls could do one pull-up.
	Do you remember doing pull-ups in high school?
	Yeah, so actually, the girls.
	Use that life experience, the pull-ups in high school.
	Were the boys able to do more pull-ups than the women?
	Okay.
	It's been quantified.
	I also don't know how active these men or these boys have been throughout their life and how active they are on a recreational level.
	And I know, you know, or I don't know how active the.
	Every single day you have PE class and you're doing the same thing.
	they doing at home you know what are they didn't you already agree with me though about like the stats and everything Like, didn't you just say that?
	Yes, I'm just trying to re-emphasize the question.
	I think it's okay to just be wrong, right?
	I think it's okay to be like, all of the issues that I was raising before probably aren't that valid.
	And she doesn't concede that she's wrong.
	I agree that she does.
	She doesn't concede.
	I agree that she doesn't concede.
	Here's a question I would actually want to ask you, too.
	Why did she concede to me that she was wrong?
	Well, I think she was confident.
	She conceded to me that I was wrong.
	She said, would a study, like a meta-analysis of 10,000 convince you that there wasn't anything to do with that?
	I don't feel like she really actually has conceded to you.
	Yes, I did.
	I explicitly did.
	And just to say to her five seconds ago, I thought you just conceded this point.
	And she was like, well, no, not really.
	She fully conceded that men are stronger than women based on the evidence I submitted to her, correct?
	Yes.
	What evidence did you submit to her?
	I said that there's meta-analysis with over 10,000 data points that would very clearly normatively show in all metrics of strength that men are stronger.
	So the question that you have for us is, I think what you're trying to say is that you created an escape route for her to get away.
	False.
	The question is, why did she concede with me and not with you or you?
	That's what I meant.
	Because you created an escape route for her.
	How is that an escape route to say there is that meta-analysis?
	Because it's very clear at this point from her perspective after getting beat up on this two times in a row over and over and over again by everybody sitting at the table both times that she was completely incorrect and essentially through a lifeline.
	She was able to grab the lifeline.
	I was happy wrong.
	I was happy to let you throw the lifeline, happy to let her grab it, happy to move on from that, right?
	Except when we kind of get back into it, we go, wait a second, did she really agree?
	She literally just agreed this is a little bit different.
	Hold on, hold on.
	She agreed with her and then no one moved on.
	But we didn't move on in large part because Brian wanted to redirect, which is fine.
	It's your show, obviously.
	Well, but part of why he didn't move on is because Brian redirected to the question point.
	She did concede to me.
	It doesn't mean that she conceded with me about like grip strength.
	I didn't get into all of those specifics necessarily, but I think it's important to pose of like, what are the things that are necessary to like allow people to be willing to change their mind?
	And what I was saying about you guys, like, I think it's fine to think she's got a dumbass idea and wrong and be like a little mean to her about it.
	I don't think that that's a problem.
	I think it's really weird though when like everyone's like group punching on her.
	It's like have you ever seen a fight where like one kid gets punched in the face and then 10 other kids come from out of North and start like stomping on each other?
	This is almost like if everyone here agreed that I have blue eyes and she's like no, he has brown eyes and we're like no he has blue eyes like that is the degree of the delusion.
	Yeah.
	She's not in she's not operating in reality.
	I don't know what if my response would be to like circle the drain with her for an hour just to keep highlighting how wrong she is.
	And then when somebody else on the panel gets her to be like, okay, I guess they are brown when you say it that way, I wouldn't then recircle back to it.
	I would go, why am I recircling back here?
	Probably for content, in fairness, which is not like the worst.
	I just like, so this is all like white night shit.
	It's just perhaps you're using, you've got the kid gloves on with her, and perhaps the way you worded it, it's not even clear to me because if you ask her, if you get her to concede to the point, and then I then ask essentially this, I don't know if I asked the exact same thing as you, but if I say, well, okay, then, so if you concede to her point, then surely you must, surely must be the case that you agree that men, generally speaking, are stronger than women.
	And then you say no, in actuality, she didn't concede to your point.
	I guess she just wanted to be agreeable with you because you were being pleasant to her.
	I'm not attacking her.
	She's not being like, it's not.
	I think the only name calls was like probably Andrew.
	He said she was stupid and dumb as fuck.
	I think that was Andrew.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, that's what I was saying.
	Brian didn't attack.
	No, no, Brian, you weren't.
	I'm saying it's because you were coming off like every time she would tell you like maybe this is what I think.
	This is my opinion.
	You kept making the point that she is wrong.
	Here, let's let her speak for herself.
	It's not even about what I think.
	Okay, it is about what I think, but it's more about really the way that I'm thinking it.
	Like I've been trying to say, it's like there are so many factors that go into strength.
	There's so many factors that go into strength.
	And it's really hard with what the information that you guys were giving me.
	All y'all gave me.
	What are the factors that go into strength?
	We talked about it: the adrenaline, the muscle mass, the grip strength, all of those things.
	Okay, so we established that grip strength, men have more grip strength.
	We established that men have more muscle density and muscle mass.
	And when it comes to adrenaline, if I were to concede to you that when in a fight-or-flight situation, both men and women receive the same dose of adrenaline using those other factors, if the muscle mass is more in men and this grip strength is more in men, but the adrenaline is the same, then wouldn't men still be stronger compared to like okay.
	So, okay.
	So there are those factors, and then there are factors that I don't know about and I cannot list.
	And I don't know if anybody can list them because you probably have to have a pretty in-depth understanding of biology.
	No, you don't need an in-depth understanding of biology.
	Do you think in order to make the determination that men are stronger than women, generally speaking, that you need to have like a PhD?
	I think it requires a meta-analysis that she was referring to.
	Whether or not you have a PhD, you take that.
	So let me ask you a question.
	Would say a 10-year-old boy who's in elementary school, would he be incapable of coming to the conclusion that men are stronger than women?
	Yeah, because he doesn't have the facts.
	If he doesn't have the facts, then there's no way he can come to that conclusion, right?
	Does that mean, like, I don't know if I'm...
	So what about me?
	I...
	I dropped out of city college.
	I dropped out of city college.
	I never got a degree from an institution of higher education.
	Because of my lack of credentials, am I incapable of coming to the conclusion that men are stronger than women?
	No, because it's not about the credentials.
	I'm telling you, it's about the facts that you know.
	If you know the facts, then you know the facts, and that's the end of it.
	Is that easy to understand?
	Okay.
	I don't even know how to argue this, to be honest.
	Because you can't, I mean, if you know the facts, then you know them, and you can provide them, and you can use them in your argument.
	What if I, what if.
	His point would be like he provided multiple, multiple, multiple.
	Yes, and I didn't agree.
	Let me ask you, let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question.
	So we have the great benefit of the internet.
	Let's go back 100 years.
	Let's say I didn't have, let's say I was some farm boy that I never went to school.
	I grew up on a farm.
	Go back 200 years.
	Grew up on a farm, didn't have access to the internet, never went to school, had no education.
	Would I be wrong as somebody who's had no education who can't Google grip strength and Olympian?
	Well, there wasn't the Olympics 200 years ago.
	Or actually, well.
	The Greeks had money like the game.
	I think it came.
	When did the Olympics come back?
	In the early 1900s?
	Early 19s, yeah.
	In any case, that's kind of irrelevant.
	Would I not be able to determine that men are physically stronger than women?
	So you could make a generalization based off the information that you've gathered throughout your lifetime.
	But you cannot state for a fact with 100% confidence and certainty that men are stronger than women.
	Because as a farm boy that doesn't know nothing, you've seen this much of the world and been given the information of, or this much information about the world.
	Actually, as a farm boy, you might have a substantial amount of information because that's a physically laborious job.
	I don't disagree with you, but I'm just...
	And perhaps if something heavy on the farm needs to be moved, it's not the women that end up moving it, but it's the men.
	Exactly.
	So that would be that you could come to a generalization using that information.
	I don't, like, I don't.
	But you said.
	I don't even know.
	I don't know how to further tackle it.
	I think, like, the most important thing in all this is you need to have like a line of credulity, right?
	And, like, I don't know if a meta-analysis of 10,000 shh is the best line of credulity.
	It's one, but it's like, you know, for example, probably what Brian and Andrew would point to and probably most of chat would be like, you can just like look around at life and like see it.
	And so I think like any, whenever you're thinking about an idea, you must have a line where you say like this would be enough to convince me.
	And if you don't have that line, the reality is like you probably don't have much worth in really engaging in the idea.
	And I'm not saying that this is just you, just to be clear.
	Like everybody in chat who's laughing at this has some dumb fuck beliefs with no lines of credulity either.
	It's just like what we're running into in here is like Brian's like, there is no line of credulity other than like probably in his mind he's like the reason maybe Kyla was effective is because she like has tits and like said it nicely, which I'm not sure if that's actually what I don't that's not my position, but sure.
	I would be curious.
	I guess maybe your position is that I didn't actually convince her.
	I think it's actually yours.
	Well, it could be the case that she has an in-group bias for other women, and to hear it from a woman might actually.
	Well, not because you have tits.
	Oh, sorry.
	So when I say when I have tits, it's like a joke towards.
	Oh, okay.
	Because we're women.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I was actually hopeful that Andrew last episode would be able to at least understand the logical.
	There's nothing logical in your position.
	The question of the logic, the question of the objectivity of strength and the question of the quantifiability, like that's, because I'm just raising questions, that's it all.
	I wasn't.
	Here's my mom making solid arguments, please.
	I wasn't making solid arguments.
	I didn't make a single solid argument.
	Actually, this whole conversation, in the last conversation I just said I don't know.
	I do not have all of the quantifiable information or the yeah, all of the data that it wouldn't need or that I would need to determine if, all if, on average, men are stronger than women.
	Right, but do I make the statement that your mom could beat up 80% of men?
	He asked me for a random statistic.
	That was just a freaking guess, let me.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let's say you went to a powerlifting competition, a lifting like where they do various lifts um, and you were.
	You could like interview every single individual at this powerlifting competition and let's say that there's a hundred men and a hundred women and they're all.
	It's not just like you're comparing a hundred men who lift to a hundred women who have lived sedentary lives.
	They're both uh, they're peak athletes.
	They both are in the top of their competition.
	They're at a competition.
	Um, if you were able to interview all of them like, don't you think in that cohort, in that?
	Well not, don't you think?
	But i'll ask, do you think that the men would be stronger than the women?
	Based on the information that i've gained from this episode, i'm going to say yes, the men would be stronger for than women.
	We did evolution.
	Okay, all right.
	I think a liberal talking point earlier in the conversation so I think Pixie Blue pilled you gave some like liberal kind of talking point and I was gonna make a joke about how Pixie Blue pilled you when you guys are ready to date, but oh, I forgot what was it.
	I can't remember what it was.
	Okay well, we're gonna move on.
	Was it the in-group bias?
	No no no, it was like two hours ago.
	I'm sitting on that joke.
	Wait wait wait, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry.
	Are men stronger than women?
	Yes okay, she just.
	Okay, i'm not gonna convince her.
	All right, we're gonna move on.
	Um, we have Daniel, we have Sergio Banks 87.
	How the f?
	Are you incapable of answering the obvious answer?
	It's as easy as saying, women make better mothers and Pixie, don't you dare bring up trans men.
	Okay, not sure what that's related to.
	It was like 40 minutes ago, so there's a lot of feelings on that one.
	All right, we have Layers.
	we have uh first time chatter what percent of women could her mom beat up more than 80 percent now a key that can open many locks is called a master key but a lock that can be opened by bending keys is a shitty lock thoughts thoughts No, it's a damn a pencil that can be sharpened a lot is a bad pencil.
	Here, we have another chat coming in here.
	We have, hey, blondie, is the world flat?
	That there's plenty of proof against it, but you don't know for sure until you see it for yourself, right?
	Or until you see all the worlds in all dimensions?
	Do you think the world is flat?
	No.
	Okay.
	Have you ever had Zirka on?
	I'm actually super curious.
	No, I haven't had him on.
	Would you have him?
	Oh, wow.
	Because he's into the flat earth.
	Let's say pre-Zirka burning every single possible human bridge.
	Would you have had Zirka on?
	Because he was a flat earther.
	And if you would, would you have gone at him as hard?
	Because that's fucking dumb.
	Wait, would I have what?
	Would you have gone at him as hard to debate him about flat earth?
	Well, I feel like that's totally unrelated topic.
	I'm just saying.
	Honestly, I find that whole debate so dumb and pointless.
	Yeah, but it's.
	I see what you're saying, but I care so much less about the flat earth thing.
	Well, I mean, even compared to, I have a much stronger position on male versus female strength as I do.
	Like, flat earth is just conspiracy theory shit.
	So, I mean, theoretically, women being as strong as men is just like silly conspiracy theory shit that most people don't believe in.
	All right.
	All right.
	We have a chat here from, hold on one sec.
	We have Ricola.
	Can we get my queen in the corner of cough drop?
	She's been dying all podcasts and it's breaking my heart.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't know if you guys heard.
	She was in the bathroom, like, coughing up the storm.
	Yeah, good times.
	Andrew looked concerned.
	All right, so let's get into some of it.
	Finally, some a bit more juicy stuff here.
	Juicy.
	Now, we will come back.
	I know we wanted to get back to the trans stuff.
	Yeah, we'll get there in just a sec.
	We'll get back into some of that stuff in just a sec.
	I want to go around the table, though.
	Who here considers themselves a feminist?
	I'm not.
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Somewhat.
	First wave, yes.
	Everything after that, no.
	Original suffrages.
	First, second wave is pretty than that.
	Fourth wave is kind of dopers in there.
	Do you believe in the patriarchy?
	I don't know what that is, actually.
	Okay.
	I think it's like a silly buzzword that's like pretty useless to describe anything.
	Okay.
	I mean, yeah, the concept exists.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Do you mean like do they believe in the word or do you like kind of curious?
	Do you think the patriarchy exists?
	I think it's the point of that question.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Okay.
	So under the patriarchy, my understanding, right?
	Feminist scholar over here.
	Can you explain what patriarchy is, though?
	How are you defining it?
	Well, I mean, there's so many different definitions.
	I've heard from women that it's a world built by men for men.
	I disagree with that is the definition from feminists.
	I'd say it's a really common definition, actually.
	I mean, I'm going to fight with the feminists.
	No, but so I agree with the first part.
	The world is absolutely built by men.
	I agree.
	But it's not for the benefit of men.
	But I've also heard a society that where men have a, to some degree, a monopoly on high positions of power within government and corporations and so on.
	Maybe not.
	The leadership, the leadership positions in society are held by men.
	Yeah, there's like structural patriarchy and cultural patriarchy.
	There's a whole bunch of different things.
	But so, okay, you believe in the patriarchy?
	Or, sorry, I think I went around the table a lot.
	Most people said yes, exactly.
	My understanding is the patriarchy says that women are oppressed and men are the oppressors.
	It's not as simple as that.
	Yeah, it's not really.
	Well, okay, fine.
	How about this?
	Under patriarchy, are women oppressed?
	Yes, so are men.
	I'm the worst person.
	So I'm going to fight with all the feminists on this one.
	I think we live in like a basically a post-I'm going to piss you guys off.
	I'm sorry.
	I think we live in a post-patriarchal world.
	I don't really think it exists.
	I think there's some level of cultural patriarchy, but I don't think any good, like there's very few feminists.
	Like Simone de Beauvoir was like the only one actually talking about it because she's the last feminist to be like fucking good at writing, I guess.
	But I'm very, I'm not the best person to ask to represent the feminists, okay?
	I infight with feminists a lot.
	Okay.
	But so are under patriarchy, or whether you agree with it or not, do you guys consider, say, for example, in the U.S., are women oppressed?
	Not in the U.S. Not in the U.S. Like to a certain extent, I feel like men are victims of the same, a lot of the same things that women are, so it's kind of like they just don't talk about it as much.
	I think oppressed is a really heavy word to use, and I think we have a really strong connotation of it in our minds.
	But I would say with an objective use of the word oppressed, yes, women are oppressed in America.
	So, and Pixie, are women oppressed in the U.S.?
	Yeah, yes.
	Women and men are both oppressed under the patriarchy, just through different ways.
	Okay.
	I agree with that.
	So, since it sounds like you three consider yourself to be oppressed, how are you oppressed?
	Since you're women, you said women are oppressed, so how are you oppressed?
	I mean, because I feel like it's like systematic sexual violence against women.
	Well, hold on, systematic.
	Like, it's so common and built into our world.
	And, like, I feel like I'm about to start talking about something I was not supposed to talk about.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	But, like, I feel like women are kind of like sexually like a question.
	Which system, which system or institution?
	Grid one motorsports donated $200.
	Brian, who ordered extra blonde moments tonight?
	Maybe debating Andrew being a big old mealy is more useful or something meaningful.
	Like how feminism has failed them.
	How can the patriarchy help you?
	Thank you.
	Thank you, good one.
	Thank you, man.
	Which, you mentioned system.
	Which system is like wholesale essaying women?
	I mean, it's not wholesale, but I guess I mean, I mean, you're not going to like this.
	I feel like, because it's not even just directly towards women.
	I feel like purity culture is one thing that kind of religion kind of teaches a lot of certain things.
	What does religion kind of teach?
	That's so terrible.
	I mean, because I don't want to, I feel like I'm going to start trigger words.
	But like, you're average, it's not like all virgins are children.
	That's not true.
	I'm not trying to say that there aren't virgin adult women.
	But when you start kind of like, well, hold on, there's a reason why priests, like, when did you get married?
	I just said that there are 23?
	Yeah, I'm not saying that all virgins are children.
	I didn't say all.
	Like, I always said they're probably a big, strong woman who could beat a bunch of men.
	Are you about to shame men for their preference?
	I'm not shaming men for a preference.
	I'm saying, but it is weird.
	Okay.
	If you're a man who has like freaking 75 bodies and you want a virgin, why is that?
	Yeah.
	It's like if you're making the point she's trying to get to, and correct me if I'm wrong, she's saying that we currently live in a society/slash system that does praise men, generally speaking, for having high body counts while shaming women who have high body counts.
	Not sure if that's evidence of oppression.
	And by the way, we're going to have to do that oppression here.
	Is that religion?
	That's not just religion.
	We're getting a little bit off topic.
	I feel like when you make it like being sexual is being impure, it's kind of like, and then what group of what are most virgins and what are most sexually active people, adults, children, like it's just kind of, I'm not saying that's 100% of the time.
	There are virgin adults, but majority of virgins are young.
	I'm not saying 100%.
	I'm not saying there's not exceptions.
	You're not wrong to say that the majority of virgins are wrong, but if we're having a young, not wrong.
	I said majority of virgins are young.
	They are young, except that.
	So if you're kind of like putting this, if we're putting sexual purity on a high pedestal, it kind of like, like, you know, with all that, that was, they were literally putting, what's it called?
	Sorry, my blood sugar is dropping as my words are kind of stuttering.
	But what was I going to say?
	Like, for millions and millions of dollars of pest money in the Catholic Church to go towards covering up the molestation of children, that went deep into the church.
	And all I'm saying is, is it's like.
	Would you hold the public schools to the same standard, considering there's a whole lot more SA that goes on in public schools than you have?
	Can you hear me loud on that?
	Okay, yes.
	Okay.
	In fact, it's 10 times more.
	No, but just studying it's more like that.
	I feel like it's okay.
	You know, actually, because I've searched up for that.
	Yeah, yeah, I can give it to you.
	So you know what, like university or I can't do it.
	I do think the reason like when these priests touch these little boys, it's because they're like pure.
	I feel like a reason they touch children is because they're pure.
	Stop.
	You're derailing the conversation.
	Go ahead.
	How are you oppressed?
	I think the best and most clear example that I can give is how women are, how women's physiology is integrated, I guess, or interacted with in American society, for example.
	Sorry.
	I believe, and women's physiology is not studied as much as men.
	So like men are used more in case studies than women.
	So with like a lot of medications, for example, and like just basically the understanding that we have of the human body is more, it has more of a foundation of the studying of men.
	So I have heard that, that there's studies are more frequently done on men.
	I haven't fully looked into the points and counterpoints in that.
	One reason I can provide for you why that might be is because at any given time, if you're testing some new medication on somebody, if that person happens to be pregnant, that could be catastrophic to the child.
	So my understanding, and there could be some more points and counterpoints, is one of the reasons they're more likely to test medications on men is that there's no risk on a potential unknown pregnancy or child.
	That's my understanding.
	It's also from menstruation because there's chemical differences and distinctions which can happen during the course of the study.
	And women can't always track that.
	So they might think it's coming, right?
	But they don't know for sure.
	Sometimes it's two weeks late, sometimes it's a week early.
	So they can't always do that for the first time.
	But your point, you're saying that women are oppressed because they're less likely to have experimental drugs tested on them.
	That would suggest to me that men are desperate for money and that they're willing to undergo, like take these experimental drugs just to get money.
	Because it is certainly the case that men, for example, are more likely to be homeless and more likely to be socioeconomically in a bad position.
	You disagree with that?
	Then how can it possibly be?
	No, I'm not talking, I'm not disagreeing about homelessness.
	What do you mean, I guess it means exactly what you mean by socioeconomic?
	If 80% of the homeless are men, that would suggest to me that the worst socioeconomic position is homelessness, right?
	But then I guess the argument would be like, or because you can argue like the majority of like, and this is just playing with numbers now, right?
	Because you can argue the majority of men are homeless, right?
	Or sorry, of homeless people are men.
	But then let's say the number of moms in poverty, maybe not homeless, are like 10 times higher than the base number of homeless people, right?
	Then that would suggest like some fuckery there when it comes to like how we're determining what sex is like suffering.
	I don't know.
	I honestly don't know.
	That's why my face is like wait a second.
	By gender.
	Poverty rates by gender.
	Let me see.
	Hold on.
	I just want to make sure I'm getting a good one.
	I don't know if that probably won't address the control that Pixie's asking for.
	Just to stay in it a little bit.
	You need to look like what she's basically saying is probably when you look at the lowest socioeconomic standard, which would be homeless individuals.
	Fuck, I hate steaming people when I don't agree with them.
	Okay, fuck.
	Like, essentially, this lowest body group essentially is probably mostly men.
	But the issue is that if you go up to just a slightly higher group, which would be like single mothers, there's probably disproportionately way more women there than there are even men in the homeless stature.
	So it's like, it's hard to quantify who's more poor overall because who's more homeless overall is men.
	Who's more often like alone to raise children?
	Well, that's women.
	I think that's the point she's getting at.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	I would argue that homelessness is probably worse than just living in poverty.
	You're not understanding my base argument.
	I'm going to try to play with numbers here to make it more clear.
	Let's say there's 100 homes.
	Can you take a shot at it?
	Okay.
	Just to make sure we get it.
	So you're saying that it could be disproportionate to the next socioeconomic level.
	So you're not sure if just showing that there's an X rate of homelessness among men would really give us the full picture.
	Yeah, basically.
	Like if we had, let's say, 100 homeless individuals and 90 of those individuals are men.
	Yeah, that's obviously really, really bad.
	But let's say you go up a scale and then there's, you know, a thousand people in low income and like, you know, 990 of those people are women.
	Well, then that shows like, yeah, it's just like stat fuckery, basically.
	That's what I'm trying to get at.
	Yeah, well, I'm not disagreeing with you, but unless we have, you know, the empirical data, we can't even look at it.
	So.
	Yeah, I agree.
	So, but we can look at some other things or maybe agree on some other intuitive things.
	Yeah.
	Which is, if we're moving back into the kind of patriarchy conversation, you say that the patriarchy is hurting men and women.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What is the patriarchy?
	So there's a lot of different definitions of patriarchy.
	The way that I would personally define it is like a system, I guess I would go back to like, yeah, like a system of power that usually places men in dominant roles when it comes to like leadership, when it comes to just like economic opportunity, just in general throughout society.
	I think, what is it?
	The patriarchy also has a lot of cultural components towards it that I think, even though it does put men into power, it is like, I think in a lot of ways, detrimental to men's health overall.
	So for example, like in our society, a lot of things that we consider to be integral to being a leader, I don't think actually follow leadership and actually are like really bad for the individual.
	So this idea of, for example, somebody who doesn't show emotion, like stoicism, but to the extreme, right?
	People often are like, oh, you see that person, that means that they're so rational.
	That means that they're so logical because they're not showing any emotion.
	But that doesn't necessarily mean that internally that's what's going on, right?
	That's why you have like people who go into like, you know, you'd never know it, but then they commit self-deletion, right?
	Is stoicism something which is considered preferable in a leader?
	I would argue that our culture as a whole, yeah, they see people who are like extreme stoicism, emotionalists.
	I'm not sure about that.
	I think the way I would say like leadership, you would be looking at things like charisma.
	Charisma would be a really big one.
	That would be something that people would gravitate towards.
	Good decision making, confidence, competence, all of those things I would kind of put in as leadership skills.
	I'm not sure that people really gravitate towards extreme stoicism.
	The reason or a big, I think that the reason you call them charismatic leaders, right, is because in leadership roles, when people are very charismatic, they tend to have people drawn in a dragon.
	Let me phrase it this way.
	Do you think a person who showcases sadness?
	Do you think society in general will look down on that person, up in that person, neutral to that person?
	Depending on the situation, if, if, for instance, for men, I think that the only time it's really appropriate for them to cry is in extreme cases.
	So I always give the example of like somebody closest to you dies or a close personal friend dies, and that's basically it.
	That's about the only times that you're really allowed to cry about anything.
	But there's good reasons for that.
	And one of the good reasons for that is, especially if you're leader of a family, right?
	You don't really want to be falling apart very often.
	And you do have to kind of hide your emotions a bit so that you can lead your family correctly.
	Your children look up to you.
	Everybody looks up to you.
	You have to make sure that you're leading the household in a correct way so that everybody has confidence in your competence.
	Yeah, I understand where you're coming from.
	And I do agree that stability is like a good showcase of being a leader.
	But then to me, being able to only cry when somebody dies, that for me takes it to a little bit too much of an extreme.
	I think that there are other scenarios that make sense for you to cry.
	Hang on, let's focus on the one thing at a time.
	So let's just take the like over-emotion or whatever.
	Okay.
	Do you think that men view women who cry very differently than how women view men who cry?
	Yes, and I think that's wrong.
	Yeah, but you might think that it's wrong, right?
	But could there be a sense, a biological sense of reason for why that might be?
	I assume that the argument you're going to get to is that, like, oh, men are supposed to be protectors.
	And if a person's crying, can they protect them?
	No, I think that it's actually different.
	I think that crying for women can also be a form of self-defense and manipulation, whereas physical strength can't be.
	Grid wants to be a matter of money.
	So I think that they'll often employ what are called crypto.
	As an actual rich old white man, I disavow any control over Pixie.
	She created her own train rick.
	I also disavow any oppression of anyone and feel personally attacked.
	You know nothing of my work.
	Oh my gosh.
	All right.
	You want to read myself?
	Yes, I'd say that there's defense mechanisms which are in play for both.
	And so for men who cry, mother men see it even at an intuitive level.
	We don't have any respect for it.
	It makes you more prone for attack and things like this.
	Whereas for women, they can often be employed to great use against men who are a much stronger sex.
	Whereas if you were to take a look at this for how women perceive other women who cry, they seem to be able to see through the bullshit super quick, right?
	They're like, that bitch is full of shit.
	That chick is full of shit.
	You know, I don't believe her.
	It's crocodile tears.
	They seem to be able to see right through it.
	So I would say that, no, I don't think it's just a matter of your environment trains you what's okay to do when it comes to these types of emotions, but there's something which is ingrained.
	Yeah, I don't know to what agree or what level we will agree or disagree with this on.
	I think I do kind of strongly disagree, and I guess I strongly disagree because I do think human or emotions, I think, are a very normal part of human processing.
	Yeah, I'm not saying that they're not.
	Yeah.
	I don't mean to cut you off.
	Go ahead.
	I think emotions are a very normal part of human processing.
	And I think part of that is like crying, happiness, sadness, excitement, anger.
	And I think in our society, we punish men when they show the sadness.
	We view them as weak.
	Yeah, but I don't punish them as women punish them.
	Women, if you want to say we're gonna, if we're gonna go back to talking about the patriarchy and stuff like that, women definitely uphold the patriarchy.
	No, no, no.
	What I'm saying is that it's not, I'm not sure that what you're talking about really as a patriarchy is some kind of fundamental system or a bunch of people trying to stay in power as much as it is the way that humans actually interact with each other because we're distinct ontologically different creatures.
	Would you say that it's maybe like a better description?
	Because there were matriarchies.
	It was just like patriarchies could be well, there really weren't ever matriarchies.
	There were matriarchs, but they really, all of their force conditions for the monopoly on force were still upheld by men.
	So this isn't totally true.
	What we actually see when you go back to like Paleolithic eras of like Homo sapiens is that patriarchy was just more effective at like coordinating war efforts.
	Like they just killed them.
	No, in Paleolithic societies especially, what you mostly see are chiefs and you see men who are high-level men.
	You don't see matriarchs.
	So you did.
	The problem is that a lot of people.
	Okay.
	Name a culture.
	I actually don't know the names of any Paleolithic culture specifically.
	But I do know that there were matriarchs in them.
	Absolutely.
	So if you go, so there's a really good book I'd recommend.
	It's called Sapiens.
	It's by Yuval Harari.
	And it tracks basically the evolution of Homo sapiens psychology specifically.
	Because we need to understand that, for example, a secular argument for Abrahamic religions is that it's been bar none the most evolutionarily successful at setting up the best societies ever, which is why it's the most dominant thing.
	It's not this like crazy evil thing.
	The same thing with patriarchies.
	It's reasonable to presume, especially when you get into like these lost tribes and we do see matriarchies, not as often, but often enough, that there were lots of matriarchies.
	But the reality is that the patriarchy was fundamentally a more competitive organizational structure.
	Let's grant for a second that even that's true, that there were matriarchies within Paleolithic societies.
	Okay, I'll grant it for the sake of argument.
	In recorded history, of which there's about six, seven thousand years, there could be some things pre-that, but we had like the Alexander or the Library of Alexandria burned down.
	So we don't know.
	We lost a lot, okay?
	So we don't really know how far back it goes.
	Since this is true, and we only can go back about 7,000 years, if you look at that record, there's not really any matriarchies.
	Oh, I agree.
	I would say, like, it seems to be the case that, like, when tribes were just forming to a space where they were like family competitors against one another, that seems to be where matriarchy dominantly lies.
	Yeah, so then the conditions of society aren't inherently biological.
	Like, patriarchy isn't inherently biological.
	It's just more competitive.
	In a sense, the conditions have existed for societies, actual societies the way that we understand them, which is not tribal throw-spirit things anymore.
	It hasn't been for thousands of years we've had the coalition of societies.
	We have not seen that formula.
	What we've seen and said is a strong patriarchate everywhere, everywhere in the world, basically at all times.
	Sure, but it's a lot less masculine than we like to act like it is in many ways.
	Like, this is actually one of my biggest frustrations with feminists when they talk about patriarchy: is that the most successful patriarchies were patriarchies that could socially organize large groups of people.
	And they did so through the inventions of state and the inventions of things like religion.
	These are fundamental to coordinating people beyond 2007.
	Yeah, but I don't understand how that's not masculine.
	Because social coordination and social cohesion and making social groups work is almost always attributed to being a feminist.
	No, it's not.
	Of course it isn't.
	In literature, it's not.
	No, no, it's not.
	Listen.
	Who's organizing the homogeneous people?
	Who's organizing corporations?
	Who's in charge?
	Who's in government?
	These are all orders for social organization.
	Exactly, because men are allowed to be feminine, and feminine and masculine traits are both necessary.
	Wait, wait, wait, social society.
	Saying that you're only assigning it as being feminine, even though when we're looking at the historic record, it doesn't seem like it's feminine at all.
	Seems like it's a very much a masculine trait to be able to do mass organization, especially of other men, especially of other men.
	A thing of which you always never see women.
	Feminine or masculine.
	Organization?
	I don't know.
	It could be a neutral.
	But I think people together.
	I think the way it's done is masculine or feminine.
	I think that the way women could do it through forms of manipulation, backstabbery, secret telling.
	There's no way that women can do it in like a neutral to positive way.
	They can, but it's not often done that way.
	I mean, that's not true.
	If we look at family events, who's that one that like everyone goes to?
	When grandma dies, the family's fucked because she was like the main person coordinating these things come from a long line of strong women, right?
	But sometimes women are often social coordinators.
	Who's the most important thing?
	But we're talking about in society.
	You're giving these little tiny outliers for individual family units.
	We're talking about the majority of society, the majority of human history that's required to be affected.
	Men rose to the city.
	The majority of societies were completely and totally organized by men.
	That's what I mean.
	And not only were they organized by men, but the way in which they were organized, which was with kind of the cracking of the whip, right?
	Here's what the Spartan warriors are going to do.
	Here's what our army's going to do.
	If it was just the cracking of the whip, then you have a really bad understanding of the family.
	I'm not saying it was just anything.
	I'm giving you an example of how this is definitely not a feminine trait.
	Because I feel like we're disagreeing on something that we don't need to.
	Is it not possible that most of the patriarchies, which were dominantly run by men, because men tend to be more extreme at most things, incorporated both feminine and masculine traits, even though it was still a patriarchy?
	No, I wouldn't.
	No, I don't think so.
	I think that even here, kind of the semantic distinction needs to be made.
	No, I don't think that organization in mass of society is a feminine trait.
	And I don't know how you could convince me that it is.
	Okay, because we would talk about like the fundamental traits.
	If organization and social cohesion and empathy are dominantly, well, like you can apply it to masculinities if you want.
	I don't give a fuck.
	All this stuff is like socially made and socially organized.
	But when we look back at history, when like literature talks about like the social cohesion agent or the organizing agent, it's oftentimes the women.
	They're given like nurturance role, they're given in like collection and like organization roles.
	That's why even in our society, hold on, you gotta let me finish.
	This is why even in our society, what do you see like dominating HR, one of the most important human organization groups?
	I gotta push back again.
	I think that what you're talking about here is support roles.
	So yes, women are great in support organizational roles, but here's what they're not great at.
	They're not great quartermasters.
	They're not great equipment masters.
	They're not great at organizing armies.
	They're not great at any of that.
	What they are great is at smaller tasks, like paymasters, organizing for food, organizing for cookware, things like this.
	Though before we could organize women to do cooking, basically the Roman legions would go around and actually collect food themselves.
	But what I'm saying to you is that, no, I think that for smaller tasks, for support tasks, yes, nursing, things like this.
	But I think that when it comes to the overarching society and how it's organized, yeah, I would say that it's definitely masculine.
	Same thing, churches organized societies in a big way.
	You cited that yourself.
	Sure.
	Those were basically always run by men everywhere.
	Sure.
	What do you think my position is?
	Well, I think that you're trying to say that organization is a feminine trait.
	Okay, do you know the rest of my take with that, or is that the main part?
	Well, I mean, this is what we're arguing over.
	Sort of.
	We're arguing about masculinities and femininities.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	But you're saying that mass organization is more of a feminine trait.
	I didn't say mass organization.
	I said organizing people based on social structures is dominantly more feminine.
	Seems to be a more feminine trait because, not because women do it more often, it's exclusively.
	Do you know what the word arate means?
	I'm sorry if I'm being a super nerdy.
	And it's okay if you don't.
	It's like a really obscure word.
	Okay, arate was this concept in the Greek that was like, it's this idea of like the most important cultural value.
	And the way that we tend to like look at cultures is by what their literature writes about.
	When you look at the literature when it comes to like social connection, social organization, and social glue factors, typically that the literature that our society is based on puts women in that role dominantly.
	While things protectiveness, protectiveness, leadership is often where men, that would be something that we would call a masculinity.
	Yeah, but the leadership and mass organization, what I'm this is exactly what I'm saying, in fact.
	So you're talking about minor support roles for organization.
	You're talking about things like nursing and child care, things like this.
	But when you're doing actual organization of men.
	I'm talking about forms.
	Which forms?
	I'm talking about like platonic forms.
	Yeah, but why would you say platonic forms and then look at modern civilization?
	That's what you just cited.
	Sorry, I think I lost you there.
	When I'm saying I'm looking at platonic forms, you're saying like, yeah, but women do this role.
	And I'm saying, that's not what I'm talking about.
	I'm talking about the emergent themes that societies ascribe to masculinity versus femininity.
	And I'm telling you that those themes in line with masculinity definitely have to do with the roles of massive armies and the organization of those massive armies, the organizations of churches, the organizations of building of infrastructure, the organizations of all of these things.
	These are not forms.
	These are things that men are doing in the patriarchy.
	When we're talking about masculinity, we're talking about character traits typically.
	We're talking about things like protectiveness, leadership, aggression, assertiveness is typically associated with masculinity.
	Whereas with femininity, it's typically empathy, right?
	Nurturance.
	These are things that are attached to these things.
	You can pop these with like, this is how I attribute these things.
	Fine.
	But what I'm saying is that as a matter of record, it is not the case that women really are the ones organizing anything in society.
	So if that's just the point that you want to add that as a feminine trait, fine.
	I'll concede it.
	Just to move the conversation on.
	Literally, my point.
	But when it's mapped onto reality, that is not what they're saying.
	They're always in the leadership and they always have to be aware of that.
	Yeah, so when we go back to the point then, and we're talking about when the men feels bad and the woman feels bad, and how women and men both interact with how men and women feel bad, you can see why there'd be a distinction for how women judge men and how men judge men.
	Oh, for sure.
	And why that would be necessary, that men do show a bit less emotion, probably a lot less emotion.
	That also, one thing I found here in this podcast, every single episode I've watched, this question usually gets asked: Do you want a more dominant man or a less dominant man?
	And you know what they all say?
	I want a more dominant man, and I want him to show less emotion, and I want him to show more leadership, which is what you were saying, and more virtues, which is what you were saying.
	That's what they all say.
	Sure, and I would agree with basically all of that.
	The point that I was trying to make is what tends to make people like when we look at the most respect-worthy people.
	I'm not sure if there's any like historical figures that you look up to necessarily, like Jesus is.
	Napoleon Bonaparte.
	You just picked him because he's short.
	Okay, you're trying to dig it in.
	On this thread, if you guys can make each one of them, sorry if I had to do it.
	We keep ending up in like this back and forth.
	We got some more juicy stuff, though.
	Just if you didn't make your final points on this, we'll talk about drama after, I promise.
	Basically, what I'm saying is, if we look at like some of the most respect-worthy characters that we look up to, something like Jesus, for example, I think Jesus is a great example for men to try to embody.
	Jesus has both got tons of masculine traits and feminine traits.
	And I think one of the most harmful things that feminism has often done, not just feminism, but like the way that we've engaged with gender specifically, is describing like men can only be masculine and women can only be feminine.
	When it's like, no, healthy people tend to blend both of these things and that's what makes you good, which means like it's okay if men say like, yeah, social coordination with people is a little bit more feminine.
	It's just fine.
	You're allowed to be like feminine and excel at something.
	That's fine.
	Yeah, so some agreement and then mass disagreement.
	So first of all, these traits that we're talking about are arbitrary.
	So like if you're talking about courage, wisdom, things like this.
	Could I pause you?
	I'm so sorry.
	When you say arbitrary, could you just make sure that I understand what you mean?
	There's no real system for it.
	There's no real system in order for doing this other than like maybe subjective observation.
	Other than like what society emerges, right?
	The system is what society is.
	You could say, yeah, you could say maybe something emergent.
	But since there is no courage is not masculine nor feminine, but we look to the extremes.
	So what we're saying is that we see it most often here.
	We see it most often there.
	We see it most often with the, that's why we assign the Tracy's way.
	So hang on, I just let you go.
	I let you just go.
	Okay, so what I'm saying is that in this particular case, when we're looking at what I would consider to be masculine traits in the patriarchy and things like this, the reason that men probably should be very cautious about showing too much emotion is because on the other end for those feminine traits, they punish them greatly for doing it.
	And I don't blame them.
	I don't blame women.
	I don't blame women, no, because I have as little respect for those men as women do.
	We do have to move on, but we got some more interesting stuff.
	Yeah, we got some more interesting stuff.
	Pixie, were you able to answer?
	I think you wanted to give an example of how you were oppressed.
	Oh, well, I was going to ask you if you can first define who started.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Wait, hold on, just moment.
	Panel, equality or equity.
	Equality, equal access to opportunity, equity, opportunity based on circumstance, sex.
	Do you hire lesbian cook with 3.5 GPA or cis white male with 4.0 GPA?
	Okay, Jordan Peterson from 2016.
	Highly.
	By the way, thank you.
	By the way, Modus, thank you for doing that during like a little transition period.
	I appreciate it.
	Glad that we didn't cut anybody off.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	You want me to define oppression?
	Yeah, because it seems like every single time that we started.
	Oh, Google it.
	Can we Google it?
	I mean, I just saw me use a Google definition.
	Well, the first one that comes up, prolonged, cruel, or unjust treatment or control.
	Also, the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control.
	So I'd say both and.
	I would say both and, that we could probably all agree.
	It's both and.
	Could you just skip your mic that way just a time?
	So like, I think probably you would agree to both one and two.
	Yeah, I think both are forms of, or both are definitions of oppression for sure.
	Are those satisfactory?
	Yeah, I'm just confused because earlier on in the conversation, we were talking about like unjust treatment between women or like how this can be one example or another.
	I felt like you were saying like, oh, but is that really oppression?
	And it's like, yeah, if it's an unjust treatment or at least what we perceive to be unjust, maybe there's a deeper conversation there.
	Then it would fall under the category.
	So it's like when I think of oppression, it typically comes from like some like systematic oppression.
	Is that what you mean?
	Like it's an institutional oppression.
	But if something unjust happens to me, it's not clear if I'm being oppressed because you could have some unjust thing occur to you in a romantic relationship.
	That doesn't mean you're oppressed.
	Typically, it seems like some sort of top-down oppression.
	So you're saying it has to be structural.
	That's why I'm trying to clarify.
	Well, no, it could be multiple.
	So it could be structural, right?
	That could be a way that it's done.
	Yeah.
	But it could be group-based that doesn't have like a big massive structure.
	So like I would say gang activity would be oppressive, right?
	Yeah.
	It just counts.
	Well, there's dominance and authority and diplomacy and empathy which shouldn't be confused.
	That's true.
	Well put.
	Well put Samuzy.
	In any case, I guess whatever your sense of oppression is, I guess, how do you feel you're oppressed?
	And we won't linger here too long, but.
	Okay.
	I think in at least an institutional level, there has been like multiple studies conducted where it seems that regardless of your qualifications, regardless if you're even more qualified for a position, if you have a female sounding name or a female looking name or whatever, you are less likely to be seen as competent or less likely to be hired for the job compared to your male colleagues.
	I'm just curious who conducted those studies.
	Was it a feminist studies program that had already determined what the answer to the study would be before conducting?
	That's not how most studies are conducted.
	Of course.
	Wait, that happens all the time.
	No, I mean, and you're seeking confirmation.
	The whole point of at least the studies that I'm citing, right, is that in general, you have the experimental design, right?
	Where they decide, like, okay, how are we going to measure this?
	Okay, we're going to put, let's say, two resumes, one more qualified than the other.
	We're going to blank the names and then see like which ones the professors pick over and over again, right?
	Or which ones the professors lean more towards.
	Now we're going to give them the same sample or the same studies a little bit later, but we're going to unblank the names.
	And then if they're picking the ones that are like male more despite before doing the reverse, well, that does show like some level of bias.
	Okay.
	Saying to underscore easy donated $200.
	How is it stupid?
	Did somebody say that?
	Oh, I think.
	There's four words.
	It's like, yeah, that's what's happening in that study.
	Let's assume that that study is valid.
	Is it actually applicable to what's going on in the real world?
	And also, I guess a counterpoint to that is, well, what about affirmative action?
	Because that seems that that's something that is actually happening, that is provably happening.
	Yeah, so to my understanding, like affirmative action, when it usually takes place, it's like you have two, what is it, two resumes that are equally qualified, and then one goes to the minority group, basically, that isn't represented in your company enough or whatever.
	Do women benefit from affirmative action?
	They have in the past, but I think it's been overstated how much they benefit by.
	Basically, at least from the stuff I've read.
	Even if you have a person or a company that's saying, oh yeah, we're pro-affirmative action.
	That's what we want.
	That's what we're going to do.
	That doesn't necessarily translate to reality.
	You can see this a lot in STEM or engineering jobs where you do have women who are in these highly qualified fields or positions that are still seen as less competent than their counterparts.
	Or in addition to this, if you want to talk about other systems of oppression, if you want to see what rates why women drop out of said STEM field, said STEM job, a lot of it does correlate to sexual harassment in the field or the chances of them being like, again, diminished because of their sex.
	So it doesn't like, that's another form, I guess, that you can argue about oppression.
	That even in highly qualified fields, women are still more likely to experience sexual harassment or demeaning to their counterparts.
	But isn't it also true that sexual harassment that men experience goes far less reported than the sexual harassment that women experience?
	Yes, but even we're talking about like pure numbers wise, it seems like just in these fields in general, the more men that you have in a field, the more likely a woman in that field is going to get like sexually harassed.
	Yeah, I mean, but that's just, that's just the odds of addition, right?
	So every new man that you add in increases the chances that something like that will happen.
	Yeah, but then it also seems that like when the numbers are like 50-50 or whatever, women, like 50-50 male, 50-women, women are still reporting, even like in private surveys, right?
	Like, let's just say like anonymous survey data, shit like that, higher rates of sexual harassment than men.
	Oh, yeah, but even though it's not that that could easily be offset by the fact that men report that they're sexually harassed far less.
	Yeah, but we're not talking about like officials.
	They don't need to be official.
	They still report it less, even if it's not official.
	Part of the issue is that men often don't see something as sexually harassing that a woman would, right?
	So like a lot of women will make like weird comments about a guy's ass or something like that.
	And they wouldn't necessarily report that sexual harassment, but a woman might.
	So there's a really big issue in like subjective reporting when it comes to like who's going to report what, because most men will probably not want to report.
	But you would agree with me that if the same behavior that a woman does to a man and a man does to a woman, which the woman would perceive or most women would perceive as sexual harassment or SA, or not SA, sexual harassment.
	And then the flip side to that is that if that same behavior is given towards a man, he just doesn't perceive it that way.
	That doesn't mean it isn't, right?
	Oh, I fully agree with you.
	There was a really interesting study actually about, I think it was the CDC who was talking about like one in three women have experienced like sexual assault or something like that.
	But when you actually looked at the study, when they asked men, they didn't include for men that if a woman forcibly sits on you while you're erect, that that is considered sexual assault.
	And so when they actually updated that, it turned out that the rates of sexual assault between both genders was a lot closer because men were like, I had no idea that that was sexual assault.
	I was just going to like, well, I mean, now there's a serial thing.
	So that would necessarily go far less reported than inside of all of these types of things.
	So when you're talking about this, I can kind of really point to something in this control that would be very difficult for you to compensate for, which is how do you control for that?
	Okay.
	Even if I grant you that, right?
	There does seem to be like when it comes to what is it?
	Like let's say other forms of like sexual discrimination, whether it's like rates of promotion or just straight up just seeing it's like competency, it does seem that just having like a male sounding name does give you a slightly different there was very similar studies done on black hiring versus white hiring, right?
	And so here's what they found.
	If you sent in a name that had like a black sounding name versus a white sounding name, they would look at the names of the white people more than the black sounding name.
	Okay.
	So that kind of rolls into the same type of thing that you're talking about.
	But here's what was interesting about the controls for that study.
	What they didn't do is do the experiment in reverse and send in the black sounding name and then the like low class white sounding names like Bubba, Cletus, things like that.
	Had they introduced that control, the study would maybe have been completely different.
	So this same control apparatus might apply here when you're talking about female names versus male names.
	There could be that there's a lot of low-class sounding female names and they used far more of those than they did, you know, the higher class male sounding names, for instance, or something like this.
	So unless I saw the control, I'd never be able to determine that, just like they didn't introduce the control the other way in the racial studies.
	Yeah.
	Well, but I do have to move it on.
	I had a question.
	In our last, if I recall, going to you, and we'll open this to the entire panel here.
	Dating podcast, by the way.
	Well, actually, I feel like that's probably really pertinent.
	Not that conversation you're having, but what I'm about to get into.
	Oh, no.
	This is a politics podcast, I guess.
	I don't want to misquote you, but if I recall, I think you said that you cannot be sexist against men.
	Is that correct?
	And you can't be racist against white people.
	Oof.
	Yeah, so when we came to the mutual understanding.
	Wait, you got to hear this one.
	Go ahead, We came to the mutual understanding of the definition of racism and sexism in this context.
	So it was power and what was the other word that you had used?
	You're saying prejudice.
	Well, so that wasn't my definition, but we provided that because you were seeking the definition of sexism is prejudice plus power.
	Racism is prejudice plus power.
	I was just the clarification that was given to your question.
	So your question was, well, how do you see it?
	And Brian said, I see it as prejudice plus power.
	Then is that what you mean?
	And you said, yeah, that's what I mean.
	I don't agree with that definition, though.
	Okay.
	Well, then I appreciate you for providing that definition because I think it's a good one when we're talking about sexism and racism in this context.
	I think that people can have prejudices, like a white person or a black person can have prejudice against white people.
	As a matter of fact, they do have prejudice against white people because it's generational.
	Here, I'll just ask the questions, and I guess you can say yes or no.
	Can you be racist against a white person?
	No.
	Can you be sexist against men?
	No.
	Okay.
	I want to go around the table on this because why not?
	But I will come back to that.
	Pixie, your answer?
	Yeah, you can be racist towards white people, and you can totally be sexist towards men.
	Okay.
	Or actually, let's.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to ask you two.
	Actually, I'll ask you.
	Go ahead.
	I don't really feel you can be racist towards white people, but I feel like you prejudice towards men?
	I don't really feel you can be prejudiced.
	Sexist against men.
	Yeah.
	Yes, but you can't be racist against white people.
	I mean, I feel like there's probably like extreme examples, but it's just, I just don't feel comfortable feeling like with that.
	I don't feel like that word holds so much weight that is harder for a white person to experience, but there's definitely probably like situations.
	Okay, what about you?
	I think you can.
	Can you be racist against white people?
	Can you be sexist against men?
	That's a hard question.
	You can be sexist towards men?
	Towards men?
	Okay.
	Yes.
	And can you be racist against white people?
	No.
	Okay.
	Alexa, what about you?
	Yes to both.
	Yes to both?
	Nala, can you be racist against white people?
	Can you be sexist against men?
	You cannot.
	I mean, yes, you can be racist towards white people.
	I think it goes with anyone ethnically.
	Sexist towards men, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	What about you?
	Yeah, obviously.
	Yes.
	Wait, can I change my answer?
	Can you change your answer?
	What's your new answer?
	Based on the consensus at the table.
	What was your original answer?
	Change your answer.
	I think you can be racist towards white people.
	I think, obviously, it really depends on what.
	Sure.
	Now, my follow-up question is: for those of you who said no to either, wouldn't it be racist and/or sexist to simply state that you cannot be racist against a white person or that you cannot be sexist against men?
	I think it's just a perspective.
	Because I don't mean, I don't, but you.
	Well okay, if you say you can't be racist against white people, you are saying that white people do not face any sort of discrimination or prejudice due to their race.
	Ergo, you've made some sort of judgment call about white people, which to me would be racist.
	So that type of judgment made towards white people wouldn't be one of like a bias in judging of their character?
	So the way that i'm envisioning uh, racism in, you know, in this example is um, having biases and then having those biases or okay, having biases against the character simply because of race, and then having those biases impact these groups of people on a systemic basis or level.
	Um, so me thinking that people, or you can't be racist to white people, it's just, it's not saying that you can't be prejudiced against white people, because I already stated that I think black people and other people of color do have a lot of prejudice against white people.
	I think that exists, but I don't think that, at least in America, from what I understand, in America um, white people are not oppressed systemically and they do not experience systemic racism.
	What about white women?
	I thought you said earlier you said women were oppressed, so so, but they're not oppressed because of their race, they are oppressed because of their gender.
	So there's a lot of intersectional issues and they kind of overlap.
	Like a white uh, disabled person can be oppressed because they're disabled.
	So intersectionality yeah, um yes, do you have a like an explanation when it comes to why you think you can't be racist against white people?
	I mean, because it's kind of like just like what she was saying, like it's systemic against other races, like with white people.
	It's like people think you're corny or like certainly I feel like this ain't like the.
	The type of things you're gonna face are gonna be more like in social situations versus like if you're a person of color.
	It goes down way deeper than just social situations.
	It's systemic okay, um so, and was it just you who thinks?
	I think you said you could be sexist?
	You can be sexist against men, correct?
	Or I thought it was just you said?
	I think it might have been just me.
	Did I say you could be sexist towards men can't?
	Can you be sexist against men?
	I mean like actually yes, now that I think about it yes, now that I think of examples yes, so wait, question.
	People say men can't get raped and shit like that, which I think is really nice.
	Wait you, wait.
	You think men hold on.
	When people say that, I think that's an awful thing to say.
	That's, that was the thing in my wait.
	I'm a little confused that men can't get essayed, and do you believe that men can't get essayed?
	No, they can't.
	They definitely can and they do.
	Um, that's fine.
	So I have a question.
	So can a, can a black person?
	They can't be racist against a white person.
	Like I. Just that's for both of you.
	Yeah okay, so could prejudice?
	Could a?
	Could a Latino person be racist against a white person?
	No, can an Asian person be racist against a white person can?
	Oh so okay, can for this conversation, are you saying Asian Americans, despite being minorities, have crap power and I can only speak on in the U.S. Like okay well okay well, there are Asian Americans and Latino Americans but okay, can blacks be racist?
	Can black people be racist against Asian people?
	I think it's a different type of racism, because black people do not have the power to uphold that racism against Asian People.
	The most it would be would be a bias or a color.
	Do you realize how racist that is to say, right?
	Totally.
	Just to say black people can't do anything.
	Like, it's like, what?
	Like, I'm sorry.
	What's there something genetically off with black people that they like can't manage to like navigate?
	Like, where's this line of reasoning go?
	It's so racist to be like, black people cannot.
	I know that you're talking about like a group, but it's just like the bigotry of low expectation is still racism.
	It's still a problem.
	It's not okay.
	Yeah, and I understand that point.
	But I don't think that's what I'm trying to say.
	And I apologize if I'm saying it wrong or like in a way that is not effectively communicating what I am trying to say.
	I can ask you.
	I'm sorry, black people are capable of doing things.
	Like, duh.
	And just because they are, I mean, like, I know, that's what I'm saying.
	Oh, my God.
	Are, okay.
	Are Latinos cap?
	Are Asian, can Asian people be racist against black people?
	I'm going to say yes, because cultural.
	It's interesting that you're quicker to say that Asians can be racist against black people, but black people can't be racist against Asians.
	That's interesting.
	That's because of the level of information that I have and our knowledge that I have.
	But I do think, I don't know if I would call it racist.
	From what I understand, it is more colorist.
	So Asian people, from what I understand again, have cultural biases that lead them to prefer fairer skin culturally.
	And, you know, they have more maybe respect for fairer skin than darker skin.
	So if you notice, like in Asian culture, the lower income people or communities, I guess, have darker skin tones.
	And then the wealthier communities have fairer skin tones.
	Like they say like skin bleaching products and certain things.
	Yeah, so that's more colorist.
	It's more based on like the actual instead of the race itself, it's just the color.
	Because you're like a dark Asian person is still Asian.
	Just to ask you, okay, just to ask you the same question, like, can a black person be racist against a white person?
	Because I feel like it's like, if a white person is being racist or is a black person, it's like the reason.
	Like when, like, okay, like when she was talking about like in like how Asian people, like there's the colorism in the communities where there's skin bleaching and it's kind of seen as more attractive to be fair.
	Like obviously as a black person, if you see that in their culture, like you can kind of assume that same logic is going to apply onto you.
	So I'm not saying that justifies racism, but I'm saying I feel like the basis of like black people being, you know, maybe wanting to date within their race is because they've seen maybe people of white or Asian families having very racist parents or, you know, fetishizing them or certain things versus like the reason that they might be more like hesitant to do that, see, like the reason for it is like not just some random general hate.
	It's because of the racism that they've experienced themselves.
	It's like a defense thing.
	Can I ask a question?
	Can a black person be racist towards an Asian person?
	I mean, yeah.
	Yeah.
	But who has the institutional power?
	I feel like definitely like Asian people more.
	They would have the institutional power.
	Which institutions?
	Which institutions do you think that Asians are overrepresented in and have the power and are using that power to systemically oppress black people?
	I mean, I agree with you.
	I feel like a black person can be racist against an Asian person, but I feel like they just.
	Yeah, but if the argument is whites can't be, or blacks can't be racist to whites because whites have the institutional systemic power, okay?
	Then in this case, I say, can blacks be racist towards Asians?
	You say, yes.
	But then when I ask you who has the power, you say that people have the systemic power in that situation to the Asians.
	So how come they can be racist to the Asians?
	But I can't be racist to the whites.
	If one has the power in one scenario versus the other one, hang on, hang on.
	Just hear me out.
	If one has the power in one scenario, they could be racist towards them.
	And if another one has the power in the same exact scenario, they can't be racist.
	That makes no sense.
	It's a very important thing.
	It's a performance prejudice.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I'm almost done.
	It's a performative contradiction.
	It's an actual contradiction in real time that you just showed us.
	What you should do immediately after seeing that is abandoned that entire worldview.
	It makes no sense.
	I mean, I feel like, I guess.
	The reason I guess we would say prejudice instead of racist is I feel like it's just kind of like we like what we say.
	Did you have more, Andrew?
	No, I think that's enough.
	Here's a question.
	Let's say me as a white man, right?
	Privilege, male privilege, white privilege.
	Okay, the way they stop Asian hate on Tinder and stuff so quickly when it took so long, they passed a bill for that like that when COVID happened.
	And like, how long did it take for them to do that?
	Like, or I don't think they've even done that for black people.
	Like, that's kind of an example for them having more systemic power.
	Like, they passed a stop Asian hate bill very quickly.
	I'm not familiar with the.
	I heard about the bill, but if I went to, if I went to China, would in that scenario, can a Chinese person be racist against me?
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	Black PPA can be racist against white PPA.
	But being racist isn't beneficial in most industries and in a capitalist society as a whole.
	Racism isn't exactly a powerful trait.
	Maybe in entertainment.
	It's not even that powerful there.
	So if I went to China, would in that scenario could the Chinese people be racist against me?
	If there have been.
	Nick, can you hide that?
	You can reach higher on the wall, so no.
	Honestly, I'm not 100% sure because, like I said, I really only have somewhat of an understanding about racism in America.
	And honestly, that's coming from a white- Well, hold on.
	But so in China, all positions, I would assume all positions in the government are occupied by people who are Chinese.
	I don't suspect there are any white people.
	Any.
	For example, in the U.S., there's probably some Asian Americans in Congress.
	There's many, but let's just say the vast, vast majority.
	Vast majority.
	What city do you go to?
	Wait.
	So that has, I think it has more to do with nationality.
	So like there's all Chinese people in the Chinese government because it's China.
	And like we only have a poor argument on my own.
	Wait.
	So do Chinese people or Asian people as a race only exist in the United States?
	If they exist in the United States, that's now when they're considered race?
	Or are they considered a race also?
	Well, then if they're considered a race there too, and you're still considered a race in China too, then if the Chinese have all the institutional power and they are racially profiling or doing any number, then that would be racist, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, perfect.
	So, okay, if I went to China, can and became a resident in China and like had a life.
	As soon as you went to the visitor, so let's say, let's say there were.
	Wait, so I have to beat you.
	You need to be through the turnstile.
	You went right through the turnstile, and the second, the second you told me, they were like, hey, round eye, or something like that, and you were like, what?
	Something overtly crazy like that, right?
	That would be, would that be considered from racism towards you?
	So you're saying white people can't be racist towards like illegal immigrants, for example?
	No, I just think it's different.
	Like in the U.S., I'm saying.
	Like a Mexican illegal immigrant, you couldn't be racist towards them because they're not a citizen of.
	No, you can't.
	I think.
	But so if I go, I go to China.
	I go to China.
	I'm a white man.
	Can the could I experience racism in China from, I assume, Chinese people?
	I'm not giving you an example.
	Wait, let her answer.
	If there's social structures in place that perpetuate that, then yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I was going to say.
	What about you?
	Do you think?
	I think you could, yeah.
	I mean, like, I don't know too much about what it is like out there, but I definitely believe that they could.
	Yeah, if you're a minority over there.
	What about if I went to Kenya?
	If I went to Kenya.
	The answer would be yes.
	If you have a work visa there, right?
	And you're applying to jobs and you're not, or you're trying to work there and you're getting continuously rejected from jobs or mistreated in jobs simply because you're white, then yes, that would be an awesome.
	Or what if I'm just a tourist?
	No, let's say in the Middle East, like, okay, let's say when me and my friends who are, like, my friends who are white come, right?
	We go out to the club and there's a bunch of Arab people there or whatever, right?
	And a white guy starts smoking hookah.
	And the Arab guys start, like, you know, just chatting at him, like, oh, well, you know, they're being rape.
	Like, they're like, you're white.
	You can't smoke hookah.
	You're, you know, blah, blah, blah.
	Like, saying that, that's not because he's trying to work there or blah, blah, blah.
	It's literally just because he's there.
	You feel me?
	Like, I think that's what, you know.
	Okay.
	So I think that it definitely comes with the definition that we've been, or that we kind of talked about brushed up upon.
	The racism that I'm mostly referring to and trying to, you know, place emphasis on is systemic and is coming from a place of power or, yeah, a place of power and majority.
	It doesn't need to be a majority for it to be power, though.
	Not necessarily.
	I'm just saying.
	If one person is racist, if one person of a group is racist, that means like, is that what you're trying to say?
	Like, if only one like person, that doesn't mean the whole group is racist.
	No, that's not what I'm trying to say.
	Okay.
	You're trying to say, I think she's trying to like say that she's trying to like speak of systematic systemic systemic systems.
	Oh my God, racism.
	But we're talking about, can you just, can one, like, can a group be racist towards another group?
	That's literally the question.
	Can other races be racist towards a white person?
	Period.
	Not in any sort of situation, just in general.
	In general, if you were to go, let's say you want to go to Tokyo, all right, and you were walking around, could they be racist towards you?
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	Okay, Brian, we get it.
	Enjoy your white male privilege.
	All right, there you have it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Saint Reese.
	Here, we got another chat.
	So, was that a yes or a no?
	That was a yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We'll move.
	We'll move on.
	We'll move on.
	Hold on.
	We got a couple more things, guys.
	I'm going to just pull up this chat here while it's kind of relevant.
	Today is the only time so many 1%ers have claimed to be oppressed.
	I'm 32 in biotech, make six figures without a degree, been homeless, and beat cancer.
	Good for you.
	Wow, dude.
	You're fucking judging me.
	Thank you, Joshua.
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	Hello.
	Celebrated one year anniversary with woman in STEM.
	Blonde is indoctrinated and dumb.
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	That's his words.
	I'd disavow.
	Disavow.
	Don't worry about it.
	I think a lot of words are coming.
	I think a lot of what she's trying to say is getting lost in, you know, and sometimes when you're on the spot, something's come out wrong.
	Did last show, did you say that white people don't have culture?
	No.
	You didn't say that the other one.
	That was the other girl.
	Does anyone here think white people, do you think white people don't have culture?
	What the fuck do you mean by white people?
	Hold on, hold on, no, no, no, no, no.
	I mean, like, there's, I, you know, there's white, well, there's like a million different types of white people.
	So yeah, of course.
	But I've often heard this.
	I mean, Andrew was on the show two days ago.
	I think we've heard this frequently that there was like four of them who say white people don't have culture.
	Oh, I saw that.
	Do you have any?
	Does anybody agree with that?
	Just show of hands.
	I don't understand what the, what do you mean by white culture?
	Do black people have culture?
	Yes.
	Do white people have culture?
	Yeah, I don't know what you mean by white culture.
	Okay, because let me put it, I'm going to put it this way.
	I'm going to put it very simple, right?
	The only reason why we have this concept of like a black culture is because it came from like a very unique set of circumstances in the United States that, yes, like for the colours of the world.
	It all came from the very unique.
	Let me finish my sentence, Andrew, please.
	Thank you.
	Okay, so for example, like black culture in the United States, basically a lot of it originates from like slave, like slavery, breaking out those citizens of oppression, then like Jim Crow, basically like a whole bunch of cultures surrounding that specifically.
	Some people, when they say white culture, what they're referring to is like European culture, which sure I can grant that.
	But through the United States history, like the concept of white has changed a lot.
	So for example, there was a certain point in time where Irish people weren't considered white, where Italians weren't considered white, where Germans weren't considered white.
	So it seems like in the United States in particular, this concept of white culture has just kept on increasing or adding on.
	So it's like even now you see it with Latinos, where they're saying like, oh no, like, you know, like Latinos are white, you know, as well.
	So it just seems like this concept of like white culture.
	I'm Hispanic, by the way, but that's like a whole other side-handed.
	What was his name?
	Yeah, no.
	My family's saying that.
	Yeah, but there are people saying that.
	So the whole point is like this idea of white culture in the United States.
	It's like a very weird and complicated question.
	I think if somebody says, oh, yeah, there is white culture, like look at European culture.
	Like those people aren't really claiming themselves as white first.
	Like you go to the UK, they're going to say like, no, I'm like British first.
	Or French, like they're going to say, like, no, I'm French, not white, per se.
	So that's why I'm kind of confused about the question.
	So white American or like, is that white American?
	Can you say American culture in the context of white?
	Can you say that there's a white American culture?
	Yeah, I would agree with that.
	That's why I was just asking the clarifying question because I wasn't.
	Because you can go European, you can go American, but there's still white culture in multiple facets.
	Okay, I could give a hot take that I think everyone will hate me for.
	Bring it.
	Bring it.
	Yeah, let's hear it.
	Okay, so I think the reason why liberals are often so hesitant to admit that there's a white culture is because it's like the dominant cultural hegemon that basically we just say these are good traits in a person.
	And it's actually like kind of this weird form of like white supremacy where we like dismiss anything as being white culture because they're like, no, that's just a good thing.
	And it's like, yeah, cultures can have good things in them, but it's also fucking white.
	Like being like really into like certain types of like yoga and avocado toast with you.
	People even want that like California.
	This like thing.
	This like hyper-obsession, for example, with like kind of like Protestant work ethic.
	This isn't to say that other cultures don't have like orientations.
	Like, for example, like the Chinese culture has a very intense work ethic culture, but it has a completely different background in the way that it plays out.
	Like, our obsession with work ethic in white America is just part of white culture.
	But when I say that, most white liberals are like, well, black people work hard too.
	And it's like, black people can just participate in white cultural norms.
	That's fine.
	We just don't think white culture exists because we don't want to admit that it's the cultural hegemon, meaning like the most common culture.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And it's white supremacy.
	So then, yeah, so the only answer would be yes, there's white culture.
	There's white culture.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, we want to have, we don't got to go too far on that.
	We have Samantha Savage.
	Thank you.
	Brian, would you return the money if you had bankrupted a viewer through super chats?
	Can TTS be a form of FinDom as you will only hear somebody's statement if they pay for you?
	Whoa, am I engaged in S work?
	Whoa.
	Oh my God.
	I do think it's a bit different, though.
	It's certainly a bit different.
	What if they're masturbating while they're paying money?
	Yeah, you don't know.
	They might really like you.
	Oh, for the amount of money they spend to like women, there's a lot of people.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	When you're talking about how these guys are gross and pathetic, I'm 99% sure there's a guy donating me.
	Yes, there's someone who's going to go off in the chat right now.
	Like a pillow between his legs.
	You tell everyone to share this guy.
	Tell me more.
	Tell me, Daddy.
	They do the Ahi Gal face, right?
	You're getting close.
	Yeah.
	Demonstration.
	We're getting a little demo.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry, Chad.
	That was so neat.
	I'll solicit.
	What do I solicit?
	Any chance you get.
	Suddenly, the viewer number increases by like 500.
	We have Nickelodeon.
	I get it now.
	Blondie's an AI robot that only has liberal tweets to draw her knowledge and responses from.
	I don't have Twitter actually.
	She doesn't have Twitter.
	Also, that's leftist, not liberal.
	Just to be clear, all right?
	I want to claim the liberals were based in cool.
	All right.
	I mean, no.
	Really?
	We're based in cool.
	You can still have them.
	There you have it.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, okay.
	Last thing with you.
	So the last time you were on, did you?
	I think I asked you, what do you think of men?
	Did I ask that question?
	I don't think you asked me that specifically.
	Or you asked me, do I hate men?
	I said I hate patriarchal structures.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's pretty.
	I don't hate men.
	I find myself quite fond of them.
	Okay.
	All right.
	No, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	All right.
	Let's get into some juicy stuff here.
	All right.
	You're going to bring up trans stuff again, aren't you?
	Yeah.
	So I have a couple questions, then I'll let you guys know.
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	I wonder which side Brian would be on in the American Civil War.
	I'm not American, but I know enough about American culture to know that didn't really fly.
	But I'm confused.
	Is he saying I'd be a Confederate?
	He's asking which side would be.
	I would be on the union.
	Like the anti-slavery side?
	Yeah, the union side.
	You're such a good liberal.
	Yeah, slavery is bad.
	I feel like we all agree on it.
	Wait, Andrew, hold on.
	Andrew disagreed.
	Andrew disagreed.
	Andrew was shaking his head and disagreeing with him.
	Do you think slavery was good?
	Oh, wait, maybe I'll know if we want to go.
	Well, because you're shaking your head no when he was saying slavery was bad, so I was curious.
	Well, so no, I mean, I would have taken the other side, but it had nothing to do with slavery.
	So what does that have to do with that?
	Oh, God, okay.
	I don't know if we can say that.
	They will say states' rights, but states' rights to do what?
	Well, states' rights to be sovereign.
	To own slaves.
	That was the main number one thing they were cared about.
	That the states all wanted to become sovereign because they looked up and they didn't like the shape of the union clouds, right?
	And so that's why they rebelled.
	Would that have been okay?
	That would have been much more okay than right.
	So why would that have been okay?
	Whatever the reason is for why they wanted sovereignty, they could be wrong in the reasons, but still right in wanting the sovereignty.
	Absolutely not.
	If you want sovereignty so that you can get away with human rights abuses, like fuck yourself.
	No, no, no, you didn't even hear what I said.
	Yeah, you're saying the reasons don't matter why.
	Listen to my question again.
	Can a person have the wrong reasons why they want to do the right thing?
	Yeah, but that's not answer my question.
	I said yes, but that's not what you're asking.
	So in this case, I can admit and fully say, nope, I'm against slavery.
	Slavery is bad.
	And I don't think that they should have rebelled over, or that should have been the crux of the reasoning.
	And I don't even think it was.
	But assuming that it was, you could still say, yeah, that's bad, that they wanted to retain that institution.
	But if they wanted to break away from the union, that's not bad.
	What do you think it's bad, but I'm still going to do it?
	We shouldn't receive it.
	Yeah, there can be good reasons for civil war and bad reasons for civil war.
	And we can denounce a civil war for bad reasons and be like, yeah, this is a good civil war for the money.
	And then there can be good reasons that they had, which were justified.
	Remember that in the North, right, there was a Copperhead movement to try to get slavery abolished because the Union itself did not want to let them go.
	So it's really not as easy as you seem to think it is.
	No, I'm pretty sure that if we go to like basically every single Declaration of Independence during that time when those states, yeah, no, like basically each state when they were seceding from the Union had a little declaration where they're like, this is why we're seceding from the union.
	And every single one of them mentioned the right to own slaves.
	Right.
	I'm not joking.
	We can pull this up.
	So here's the thing, though.
	Again, I can see your liberal ass said some silly stuff.
	Andrew, make a final point and then I'm going to move away.
	Yeah, so there was a whole war.
	So my suggestion is that you can go watch a guy named Ryan Dawson who gives a complete breakdown of this.
	He's a brilliant historian when it comes to the Civil War.
	He says that there's tons of socioeconomic reasons that were behind it, that it had nothing at all to do with slavery, and that the North didn't even want slaves to go, which is absolutely true.
	And the list goes on and on and on.
	Highly suggest that you inform yourself a little bit better on it.
	Okay, and then my final statement.
	Yeah, pissed off.
	Okay, Pokemon.
	At this point in time, especially when the Civil War was about to start, the Union seemed to be at very strong agreement that slavery had to go.
	It was in the process of going.
	While, you know what, the other Confederate states were like, hell no, we have to keep this institution no matter what.
	And you know what?
	You can like literally go read every single state that seceded from the union, the reasons why they did it.
	And all of them, the number one reason they mentioned was, yes, we believe that we should be able to still own slaves.
	Stop it.
	No, stop it.
	Get some help.
	Okay, let's get back into the juicy stuff.
	Okay, so I think this is bringing it back to so sort of like with what is a woman, you said it's oh gosh.
	It's what against you.
	Someone who identifies as a bad person.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	So I have a couple questions, and then I'll just let you guys get into it.
	So, question.
	This is related to dating.
	Okay, I'm going to relate it to dating.
	And then if you guys want to get into the weeds or whatever, that's fine.
	Just saying ideology.
	My first question is: to you, Pixie.
	Yes.
	Is a transgender woman a female?
	Biologically, no.
	Okay.
	Anybody else?
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's out of the way.
	Okay.
	Oh, God.
	The clinical.
	Okay.
	So, can a male become a female?
	If you're talking about pure biology, no.
	If we're talking about social construction, then yeah.
	What are you talking about men and women?
	I'm confused.
	You said male and female.
	Okay, okay, so we're keeping this to straight.
	We're actually talking about biology gender.
	I'm talking sex, not gender.
	Okay, then, yeah, no.
	Okay.
	Questions.
	So, relating it to dating now.
	If a man, sorry, excuse me, hold on.
	I got to use the precise terms.
	If a male was no, actually, well, okay.
	Hold on.
	I'm trying to think the best way to do it.
	This is very confusing.
	Your words right.
	Six male.
	A male was who is not transgender was Sing the D of a transgender woman who has a penis.
	So, and you see a video.
	I don't know what S is a penis.
	Oh, yeah.
	Sucking the peen.
	Okay, okay.
	Choking.
	I don't know about other friends.
	Swallow the zombies.
	There you go.
	Glove luck 9000.
	Yes.
	You were selling one of those, right?
	Sorry.
	Oh, God.
	That's another conversation.
	That's a whole nother conversation.
	So, would that be gay?
	I kind of lost the plot after.
	I can frame it easy.
	A trans woman's dick.
	Is it kind of gay?
	Is that gay?
	I think that's up to the individual to basically decide their orientation.
	I think a lot of people, and I would probably be of the opinion that, like, you know, I think genitalia is more directly related to like sexual orientation, but I'm not going to be like, hey, but it's Megan Fox.
	It's Megan Fox.
	Looks like Megan Fox.
	It's a transgender woman that's just as physically attractive as Megan Fox, but has like just a pen of just a piece of Matthew Fox.
	And a guy is just 9000.
	Thank you not a picture.
	What's going on here?
	Thank you, Naupe.
	Honestly, I'm not sure.
	I feel like, what is it?
	Would it be gay?
	I'm curious.
	Okay, let me can I can I ask you a similar question?
	Because this is you're asking me a question?
	Yes, I'm asking you a question.
	Yeah, no, no, no, no, because I'm trying to get I'm trying to get a framework here.
	I know you want to come in with you, could just do.
	You think it would be straight for a man to basically um, do the lickety lick I don't know on a Hulk Hogan who has a vagina, sorry.
	So when you say Hulk Hogan, it's a female, that looks like, but just is like really yeah, everything I don't know like it looks literally.
	That would be heterosexual But it would be more gay Sucking Megan Fox's dick Is a little gay But it's less gay than sucking Joe Rogan's dick Based on what?
	Just some arbitrary analysis, just entirely on straight.
	If you're sucking a dick and grabbing a titty, it's a little bit less gay than if you're sucking his fucking, grabbing chest hair.
	You know no, but it's.
	When he says gay means homosexual.
	I know what he's doing, I know exactly what he's saying.
	Okay, so then how could it ever be homosexual to have sex with a woman if you're a heterosexual man?
	I said it's a.
	We have a question, do you think it's gay for a guy to let girls peg him?
	Yeah, but then how is it?
	But isn't that the definition of heterosexual gayo is homosexual thing.
	I'm doing exactly.
	That's why we have our criteria for Andrew wins the podcast.
	Wait, he just gave me my point.
	I wouldn't.
	No, I won.
	No, I was just saying gay in the way you're exactly saying it, which is like yeah, if you're like into a girl that looks like Hulk Hogan and has a vagina.
	What I did was I used what your analysis was in order to answer that question and I made it funny because i'm awesome.
	Yeah, it was a based analysis.
	That's how that works now in our HOGO.
	Is it gay or not to let a woman peg you?
	I don't understand.
	Do you think it's gay to let a woman peg you?
	Yeah.
	But it's not homosexual.
	But it's not homosexual.
	It's not homosexual.
	It's different.
	It's not homosexual.
	If you wanted to come in, go ahead.
	If the man likes sucking the dick, he is enjoying a homosexual activity.
	But like definition, homosexual.
	He's a homo.
	He's let's be careful.
	Just be careful.
	He's enjoying a homosexual activity.
	If he's simply attracted, like just alone, being attracted to a feminine-looking feminine-passing body individual, that would be straight.
	Like she said, it's really has a lot to do with the genitals and the genital preference is a huge thing with sexuality and stuff like that.
	So it's Megan Fox with a D.
	It is what?
	If he likes sucking that dick, it's homosexual.
	I think Andrew Tate put it best that it is way gayer to fuck Hulk Hogan with a pussy than move the dick out the way and fuck Megan Fox with a voice.
	I believe that.
	No, that's true.
	That is very basic.
	He said that.
	It's very base.
	Base.
	Let's be honest.
	It's just a little more gay to fuck a woman who looks like a dude with a vagina.
	Dude, the whole thing is just a little gay.
	You're hitting Hulk Hogan.
	Just like it's a little gay to suck a woman who's like, if she's bent over, you don't have to even see the dick.
	You just see Megan Fox.
	So you gotta deal with it.
	You can ignore it.
	If she's bent over, she can hold it up.
	She's looking at it.
	Megan Fox.
	So I think almost anyone who's going to be open to pretty fluid options of genitals would probably already themselves be like, yeah, I'm queer.
	Like they're almost always going to be part of the LGBTQ community.
	The problem is that the terms lose meaning.
	So you're going to understand when you're saying the word gay and you mean it like how we're talking about it here, which is like when males call each other, don't be.
	And we're saying that, right?
	We don't actually mean anything about homosexuality at all when we say that.
	Never meant it like that.
	It's never been used like that.
	It's the same thing here.
	So the term does need to have some meaning.
	And it's like, no, obviously, if you're having sex with a woman, you're a heterosexual man.
	You're having sex with a female.
	You're a heterosexual.
	Yeah, but you're a little bit more gay on the binary basis.
	It's just gross.
	It's not gay.
	No, it's a little bit more gay if you're really attracted to every single masculine secondary feature other than a dick.
	That's a little bit more.
	Okay, wait, that wasn't the statement.
	Well, that's the Hulk Hogan.
	I'm not attracted to you.
	You said that you would rather think about what I just said there.
	Hulk Hogan's secondary characteristics would be things like chest hair, no breasts, stuff like that.
	But still with a vagina.
	If you're attracted to every single male secondary sexual characteristic, but you want a vagina, it's just a little more gay than if you're attracted to a feminine appearing woman with a vagina.
	Obviously, this is true.
	Wait, feminine woman.
	Yeah, so say you have Megan Fox with a vagina versus Hulk Hogan with a vagina.
	If you're more into Hulk Hogan having sex with her, it's a little bit more gay than if you're having sex with Megan Fox with a vagina.
	I agree with you.
	I get what you're saying, but that wasn't the example.
	The example was Megan Fox with a dick.
	Yeah, that's more gay than, for example, having sex with Megan's heterosexual men.
	They're going to say, I'm going to choose a vagina.
	But it doesn't matter.
	Not attractive.
	I feel like that's a good idea.
	These men are like hard.
	No, but it's such a dumb, like, scenario because I would argue, like, let's be real.
	Like, most transgender women are nowhere near even approaching the physical beauty of Megan Fox.
	Sure.
	Like, I would argue if you were to line up 100 transgender women, like, I mean, I don't know if I got a good vision for that shit, but I could probably tell.
	There's a test.
	You should take it.
	What the fuck?
	There's a test to be like, is it a trans woman?
	Is it a real woman?
	And every single guy who has told me that has failed that test.
	Okay, who knows?
	Yeah, because there's like a lot of super.
	So I agree.
	Like, the average trans woman is probably not passing because they tend not to try to even transition until post-puberty.
	And like, you can't get rid of NFL shoulders.
	It's a little rough, right?
	But like, I'm sorry, men saying that they would prefer Hulk Hogan over the gina.
	Most of them are corporate, but I think just better lying.
	I think a better person.
	Why is it a go?
	Because they would rather have sexuality.
	Do you realize that men actually find it heterosexual men would actually find that to be physically revolting to have to suck another man off?
	They find it so physically abhorrent and revolting that why wouldn't they go for the alternative?
	What you're really saying there is that men who have sex with ugly women are gay.
	That's what you're actually saying.
	I'm saying men who have sex with women who have all male sex secondary.
	Ugly women.
	Yeah, but ugly women don't have Hulk Hogan.
	And Hulk Hogan are what miles of the music is.
	I don't like men who have sex with ugly women.
	No, let's go back to my statement.
	I said men who prefer to have sex with Hulk Hogan.
	That's ridiculous.
	Hold on.
	I will walk everyone through my hypothetical again because, again, it is obviously more gay to suck Megan Fox's dick than to have sex with Megan Fox's vagina.
	Obviously, that's true.
	It's a dick.
	Wait, you mean Hulk Hogan?
	Wait, what?
	No, I'm extending our hypothetical.
	This example is so ridiculous, though, because I think a more fair example to use.
	Let's take comparing the average woman, who's of average beauty and average her body's physically, men are going to prefer average comparing it to an average transgender woman, but that's not what the hypothetical is about.
	But it's such a ridiculous hypothetical.
	But that's how hypotheticals work.
	You test ideas extremely though, like if we're gonna, if you're gonna do, I agree, but there's not a lot of Megan Fox's with dicks running around and there's not a lot of Hopeful John.
	Let's also be real, but let's also be realistic.
	If you're gonna say Megan Fox with a dick poor Megan Fox and Hulk Hogan in the situation, can't you give like a very attractive man yeah, Blair White and Ryan Reynolds with the vagina, you know what I mean.
	Like sure, we could say Blair White and hyper masculine, but not necessarily considered like attract normal, attractive Hulk Hogan yeah, like I respect him.
	He's a good sure uh, very fit man, but Ryan Reynolds has like more of the female gaze, I feel like, than the male gaze.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	If you're choosing a sex symbol for men, that's Megan Fox, you have to choose.
	The equivalent of that would be Ryan Reynolds with a vagina, like you're saying Hulk Hogan so you're really men wouldn't be attractive.
	What you're actually saying though ultimately, is that if a man has heterosexual sex with a female, who's ugly they're gay again, ugly women filled with sex you are, because when you say, if you say that I am not a woman, don't have, I can prove this.
	I can prove this, I can steel man your argument.
	I'm going to pause you for a second.
	Let me steel man it, though.
	Let me steel man it's going to pause.
	No, I'm going to pause you because what you're trying to do is frame the argument.
	No, I'm just going to steel man you and you can say if I'm wrong or right.
	You can say if I'm wrong or right.
	Okay, so the steel man is if, If you're attracted to the secondary sex characteristics of this person, and they're all male, they're all male secondary sex characteristics, or what we would consider male secondary sex characteristics.
	So, like abs and I don't know, whatever they are.
	Chest hair.
	Yeah, yeah, all that.
	Wide shoulder.
	Yep, got it.
	All of that.
	So you're attracted to those things, but you're having sex with that person because they have an actual vagina, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you're a little bit more gay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, so I have I steel manned this correctly?
	I reject that because ugly women aren't just masculine women, I guess.
	There's a lot of ugly women that are not.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So hang on.
	Well, there might be a guy like fucking a girl who's really unattractive, but also has no male secondary sex characteristics.
	And I wouldn't say he's more gay.
	But yeah, if you're attracted to all of them, if you're attracted to Ryan Gosling with a vagina, it's a little bit more gay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So then here's the difference, the distinction.
	The distinction when we're asked this hypothetical, who would you rather do X with?
	Would you rather do this with the heterosexual, right?
	Or have heterosexual sex or homosexual sex based on the secondary sex characteristic beauty standards.
	Yeah.
	And the man picks the Hulk Hogan.
	What is the objection there when you call it a cope?
	Because you switch the argument to say, no, it's if they're attracted to the secondary sex character.
	$200.
	I would be on board with trans if it was similar to Thai lady boys.
	They are not pretending like they are actual females.
	The problem is trans women act like they are actually female.
	Brain dead.
	Okay, trans women lying about like what's going on is bad, right?
	That would be unethical in my view.
	But like that's literally to my point.
	Yeah, a lot of men would just choose really sexy femme boys to have sex with, especially if it's casual sex.
	But he's saying obviously.
	I'm just telling you, they're fucking coping.
	Yeah, but not all of you.
	Let me give you the question.
	So let me give you the question back.
	Within the hypothetical of you had to choose, right?
	I understand you switching it to say, I'm sorry, if you're attracted to secondary sex characteristics on a man, then that means that you have homosexual tendencies.
	Okay, I can totally agree with that.
	But you did switch it.
	So, and you say it's cope when men say this.
	Why would it be cope for them to pick the thing that had the vagina?
	Because they're lying, because they're not engaging honestly with the hypothesis.
	They are.
	No, because there is how most people select their sexual mates based on how they look and how attracted they are.
	When you put them in this type of binary, you're being like, if you knew that they had a vagrant, but the reality is that's not how anyone engages in sexual dynamics at all.
	Absolutely not.
	And most people will pick the femme boys regularly, all the time.
	But isn't the argument?
	Isn't the argument?
	What possible way could you demonstrate?
	No, you don't go to Thailand.
	Wait a second.
	You go to Thailand and what happens at Thailand is you're left with a bifurcated choice that you must fuck a femboy or not fuck a femboy?
	What are you talking about?
	Actually, what actually happens is that there's tons of ladyboys walking around that are hotter than most women somehow.
	And men are actively choosing to have sex with them over females.
	Yeah, but that does not engage with what we're talking about at all.
	It does.
	No, it doesn't.
	How would you consider those men gay?
	How could that possibly engage with what we're asking, which is how is it cope for a man to take that selection?
	You say it's because given the opportunity, if a man had that pretty, once he goes into the practice, they would still go after the one that had to demonstrate that.
	Okay, the way that I would demonstrate that is, again, the moment that you move the hypothetical into the real world, instantly men suddenly swap their choice and they're fucking ladyboys.
	They're awesome.
	Homosexuals do that.
	Yes.
	$200.
	Thai ladyboys have oops and dicks you dumb.
	Wait a while.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Ass or dumbfish.
	Also, like Side note, this chatter, just to be clear, is, and I don't think they've supported me throughout any of this.
	I think it's dumb F-U-C-K, by the way.
	Oh, yeah.
	Are we allowed to cuss?
	I thought that was a good idea.
	This is evidence to exactly what I'm talking about, right?
	That a lot of men, at the end of the day, when you put into a practical, they're just going to pick up.
	How do you know that that was in support of you?
	I think it was.
	He said twice that he would always pick, that he would just have sex with ladyboys.
	Absolutely.
	Maybe he's gay.
	Maybe he's an actual homosexual.
	Do you think Andrew Tate is gay?
	Yeah, I think that if you're a man who says that you would have sex with a man for anything, under any circumstances, you're homosexual.
	You heard it here.
	Andrew Tate is gay.
	I feel like if you're that defensive over it, then that means you must be a homosexual.
	It's like, I'm not a murderer.
	If you're that defensive, you're a murderer.
	That's insane.
	Now that's cope.
	That's actual cope.
	Oh, I admit all of this is cope.
	Like, when, like, there are some men, by the way, that are really into pussy.
	And I would grant that there are some men when they say, oh, they would pick Hulk Hogan, they probably would, right?
	I bet you that's you.
	I'm not saying that you relate to pussy.
	I have no idea about your kings or preferences.
	I'm just saying, like, that seems like a really big deal to you.
	The issue is that most guys want to get some fucking dick, right?
	That's all they really care about.
	And they don't mind if they're sticking it in an asshole.
	They don't really care that much as long as she's talking about pose to be functioned into.
	Most guys don't care.
	No.
	No.
	They don't find that to be completely physically revolting, most of them.
	No, I've had sex with a ladyboy.
	Yeah, he's talked to more of me.
	I've talked to lots of men about talk to more of them.
	I don't need to.
	I can tell you.
	I can't tell you men who have gone to Thailand and have been tricked into thinking that they were women at first, and then they retreat.
	Sure, but the reason that they're retreating is because they were looking for vaginas specifically and they were lied to, right?
	That doesn't, none of this has anything to do with anybody that they're talking about.
	I just said some are being honest, but a lot of men who answer this are just being copey because they're like, oh, I don't want to be fucking gay.
	And it's like, it's literally more gay to be into Hulk.
	Oh, you still haven't demonstrated it, though.
	You just say, no, you haven't.
	You just say, I think that most men would.
	That's my demonstration.
	I think they would.
	Homeristics over female.
	I just think they would.
	Your demonstration is literally just being like, oh, well, I personally wouldn't.
	So it's not that way.
	Andrew Tate is gay.
	No, the burden would be on the person who claims that, hey, wait a second, the non-homosexual picks the non-homosexual sex.
	This makes sense, makes logical sense.
	The person who says, no, the heterosexual would pick the homosexual sex because they have real pretty eyes.
	No.
	That's the burden of proof.
	Let's back us up.
	Let's back us up.
	What do you think sexual orientation has to do with?
	Do you think it's about like genitals, the type of sex you want to have, or like what you're attracted to?
	What is it?
	I think it could be a combination of tons of things.
	And within the confines of that exploration, though, I do think that there's a revulsion factor which happens between most members of the same sex, which repels them from having any type of intercourse with each other, especially men.
	When it comes to men having same-sex relations with each other, what is the one thing men always talk about about going to prison that they're terrified of?
	They're terrified at the rate, but again, why are they terrified at the husband?
	Sorry.
	Because the big bad word is horrible.
	Because it's 10 times, they even said that they think it's 10 times more revolting.
	It's not the victimization portion.
	Hey, dummy, forcing that choice doesn't mean they prefer those masculine features.
	That's just how much better the pee is.
	That's true.
	Of course, given any choice, we would rather have a beautiful woman.
	Right.
	But if we were, so if you force the bifurcated choice, they choose, you say that's cope because you think that most men would do this, and your only line of defense to say that is that some homosexual men have sex with ladyboys.
	No, that is not my only defense.
	That is not my only defense.
	Andrew W.
	This bitch trying to twist words.
	The point is, Thai lady boys don't think they are actually female like trans women in the U.S. Say FKN brain dead.
	Okay, sorry, I thought this guy was smart.
	It turns out he's a fucking moron.
	Okay.
	I won't allow you to frame my arguments or tell me what my arguments are because you are being dishonest in the framing of them.
	No, you're being dishonest.
	Stop.
	You swapped the hypothetical and I watched this.
	I did not swap the hypothetical at all.
	I did not swap the hypothetical at all.
	There's no way you just saying it over and over doesn't matter.
	I can literally show you how you did this.
	What you did was you asked about a bifurcated choice.
	Once it was demonstrated which of us would take that choice, you then said the people who are attracted to secondary sex characteristics on one or the other, that's more or less homosexual.
	The thing is, though, is that you did not add in anything about attraction, only which choice would you take.
	Right.
	And part of the which choice is which would you have sex with?
	Which to some degree we would assume in there is some level of attraction.
	Just like you said, levels of attraction include things like your sexual orientation, which genitals you would like to deal with, what you're attracted to physically, a number of things like this, which is why I'm saying having sex with a vagina is more straight than having sex for men than having sex with like a dick, obviously.
	However, being attracted to body parts or selecting to have sex with secondary body parts that are of the opposite gender is just a little bit more gay, obviously.
	I see your argument, but again, the question was: if you had to choose between this genitalia or this genitalia, which one would that be?
	That is not just a genitalia.
	That was not your question.
	Hold on, stop.
	Stop, stop.
	That is not the question because it's not a good question.
	It's just you being dishonest and reframing the question.
	No, no, no.
	Because attached to the question isn't whether you want to have sex with a dick or a pussy.
	The question is Hulk Hogan or Megan Fox, which implies hyper-masculinity and hyper-femininity, which is part of attraction.
	But you're necessarily the genitalia.
	I'm not cutting off the genitalia.
	I'm including them.
	You guys are trying to cut off the genitalia.
	No, they're trying to cut off their person.
	They're trying to pretend it's only the genitalia when we're attaching it to the person.
	No, it's not the hypothetical.
	It's inherently not genitalia.
	Because why the fuck would I say Hulk Hogan and Megan Fox if all I wanted to ask people about is whether they prefer pussy or dick?
	Then it's just still the same exact thing where you're saying that if a guy is with a really ugly woman because she's just really ugly.
	Yeah, if she looks like women, she looks like whatever your definition is of a man, even though she's just an ugly woman.
	Right now you're saying if a guy has sex with her, he's gay.
	You want me to wait until you're done speaking?
	That's what that's what you're saying.
	Okay, Dunsberging, I can explain again.
	You're the one cutting me off every time I talk.
	For the second time, I'll explain again why what you just said is small words.
	Sure, I'll try using little kid words for you.
	If you can, can you get a coloring book?
	Maybe.
	That would be great.
	You've got one in front of you.
	Get a purple pen.
	Yeah, do you want to bother my rope?
	And then explain to me how that's not just an ugly woman.
	Okay, the reason why I didn't say what you just finished saying.
	Fuck, what did you even say now?
	God, that's an ugly woman.
	I'm just sneaky with this.
	What?
	That that's just an ugly woman.
	No, okay, thank you.
	Thank you, actually.
	I appreciate that.
	The reason why it's not just an ugly woman is because I already outlined that this is disanalogous, and you're lumping in a larger group of people than I am talking about because not all women look like Hulk Hogan or have secondary sex characteristics.
	My entire point is secondary sex characteristics.
	Okay, wait a second.
	So if I started including fucking birds in there, that wouldn't matter.
	Could there be some of the best things?
	Well, could there be ugly women who look like Hulk Hogan?
	Yeah.
	Well, if your point's totally mute, dip shit.
	Yes, yes.
	You fucking moron.
	Oh, you're a fucking moral.
	Let me walk you through categorical philosophy.
	Let's walk through it.
	Right, value premise for your own.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	What?
	Here's formal logic.
	Here's a picture of birds, okay?
	All sorts of birds go in this circle.
	And inside of this circle is seagulls.
	Okay?
	Seagull recompetition now.
	See that?
	Seagulls.
	You could do canaries, though.
	They're much cuter.
	Okay?
	Actually, that's not true.
	Seagulls are cuter.
	That's a good one.
	Just one.
	In another circle, we have ugly women.
	And then in a smaller circle, inside the small circle is Hulk Hogan women.
	And here we have just an ugly woman.
	It's just an ugly woman.
	How dare you draw that?
	That's it.
	It's just an ugly woman.
	How dare you drop it?
	They exist.
	And if a heterosexual man has sex with one, they're just a heterosexual man having sex with a woman.
	No, you're wrong.
	You had to draw a portrait of me rather than dealing with categorical analysis because you know that you're in.
	Well, no, I didn't say a very ugly woman.
	Because I'm like, majority of ugly women don't have beards and chest hair.
	They're just ugly.
	Yeah, but it doesn't matter.
	I didn't say, oh, I said, if her camera analysis is to say, if her counter analysis is to just say, hey, there are women who exist outside this group of ugly women who are other ugly women.
	That wouldn't matter.
	All that would matter is that there's women.
	Hold on.
	It wouldn't matter.
	Stop talking so I can finish my point.
	Stop spurging.
	You're in correct.
	Stop spurging.
	It's my turn.
	Mind you.
	Stop spurging.
	He's about to reframe my argument.
	No, I'm about to tell the truth.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, so anyway.
	And she's just going to repeat.
	She'll repeat.
	I promise she's going to repeat this exact same thing.
	She's going to say, stop telling me.
	Hold on, stop.
	There's women who exist.
	She's still spurting.
	Hold on.
	Ryan, he cannot be outlining my favorite.
	I can because I'm doing it right now.
	So anyway.
	If he does, then we'll call them up.
	So all you're doing, all she's doing is saying there's women who exist outside of the category.
	There's women who exist outside or inside the category.
	Here's the point.
	I asked her: are there women who exist inside of the category of ugly women who look like Hulk Hogan?
	And if the answer is yes, you still haven't made a compelling argument as to how that's non-heterosexual sex or in any way even homosexual.
	I appreciate that you're trying to back it back up to the broader conversation and we can go there, but I just want to make it super clear that you're being completely dishonest about my argument, and you know that because you know you know categorical philosophy.
	So I know that you know this.
	When you said that when I'm saying that men who have sex with ugly women are gay, you knew that you were engaging in a categorical fallacy because you know that not all ugly women look like Hulk Hogan.
	They don't have to be.
	Only people, yes they do.
	My claim is that my premise is that men who are having sex with Hulk Hogan women are more gay.
	That's my premise.
	So when you expand it to a broader category.
	Yeah, I understand your argument, but what's my argument back to you?
	I'm not done.
	I'm not done.
	Yeah, but what's my argument back?
	That's where you're the distinction.
	No, no, I'm not moving off of this until you're talking about.
	Yeah, but I'm telling you, I'm actually telling you the structural problem here.
	The structural problems, you're confusing two things.
	So my argument back to you, though, is to say, no, this is false inside of this category.
	That's the distinction.
	Yeah, so you're pointing at this and saying this is a category.
	I'm denying that category exists.
	I'm just saying that's just another ugly woman.
	And some ugly women look like Hulk Hogan.
	Yeah.
	Wait, you're agreeing with me.
	You're right.
	I don't think I'm going to be.
	Some ugly women.
	We use a circle for the poor chat.
	Some, if this is ugly women, some of them look like Hulk Hogan.
	Yes.
	Not all women who are ugly look like Hulk Hogan.
	That's correct.
	So when you conflate my argument as saying Hulk Hogan women aren't, you did, you are being fallacious about myself.
	There's no fallacy.
	And I need you to stop for me to engage in good faith.
	Then go ahead and tell me.
	Explain how I am.
	I will explain it again if you would like.
	Modesticity.
	Thank you.
	I have a side question.
	Hold on.
	No, I will explain it one more time for the class.
	I really want to be getting about.
	Do you think men who have anal sex are gay?
	Like, if a guy does anal to a woman, they're not gay, but it makes them a little bit fruity.
	They're not homosexuals.
	Because they're into it.
	Oh, they're into the actual.
	They're like a little gay.
	So anal sex is not inherently gay, but it's a woman's action.
	Are they doing it in a manner a woman's attack?
	It's not a man's act.
	Homosexual, that's an act.
	It's not, for me, it's not an allocation from my worldview of logical possibilities.
	So everybody has different worldviews for what even starts with logical possibility.
	Homosexuality is an act.
	It's an act.
	It's not even an attraction, as you could be a person who's attracted to the same sex, never act on it.
	You'd never be a homosexual.
	No, that's pretty gay if you were attracted to men.
	You could say it's gay, but what I'm saying, a homosexual is bad, but then you never act on it.
	You're super gay.
	For instance, let's say that you had two gay animals, okay?
	Two homosexual animals.
	How do you know when they're homosexuals?
	I mean, but like an animal when the animals talk.
	If the animals could talk and be like, I really want to fuck other guys.
	They really want to do this thing.
	But what I'm saying is that it's an action.
	I mean, homosexuality is an action.
	It's an attraction because it's an action.
	You guys not acting on it?
	You're still gay?
	Thoughts?
	Thoughts are treated as an action in all of behavioral science.
	Yes.
	Yes, it is.
	You're behavioral 100%.
	All of behavioral psychology, since Skinner, we have treated thoughts as an action because we can train thoughts as much as you can train other things.
	What's the subconscious?
	The subconscious, like, what do you mean by the idea?
	The idea is.
	The ego.
	I'm not talking about psychoanalysis.
	Yeah, but if you're talking about the idea of ego or what you would call the subconscious or whatever these things are.
	No, I'm talking about.
	You're talking about like Freudian shit.
	I'm talking about subsequent.
	What I'm asking is, can you have thoughts that aren't even your own thoughts?
	By inherently, yeah, you can have them.
	So then from my worldview, a girl saying that a man would prioritize the extreme feminine presentation over female genitalia.
	Conversely, would he be more repulsed by the masculine extreme or the male genitalia?
	That's a pretty good way of saying it.
	So anyway, that's a good question.
	That's a pretty good way of asking it.
	The question becomes, remember I explained to you a long time ago in a debate about the concept from the Orthodox worldview of the legesme.
	Same thing in the Catholic worldview.
	Though they don't call it the legezme, they have a very similar thing, which is that those bad, sinful thoughts that come into your head, they're not your own.
	They're demonic thoughts.
	And these are not things which you would actionably do, absent the fact that those were inserted into your brain.
	So the reason that inside of Christianity we say, listen, you're not really a homosexual if you're not acting on the thoughts.
	We're not even sure that they're yours.
	Sure.
	So I guess my response to that would be, what is it?
	The Sermon on the Mount where Jesus, or is it Sermon on the Mount where he says, if you like, if you think a hateful thought, you should like, if you steal, you should think of stealing, you should cut off your hand.
	If you like lust after a woman, you should pluck after your eyes.
	So I guess I would just say that.
	That's actually referencing that, though.
	That's actually saying that these thoughts can be said.
	It's saying that these thoughts which are introduced to you, it's better to do anything except act on those thoughts.
	Can I ask something?
	Well, lusting is in the hypothetical.
	I think we just fundamentally disappeared here.
	So you're saying...
	It's in your worldview.
	You got...
	I thought you were more Catholic.
	That is part of that worldview.
	No, because you're not.
	So you're saying that if you take thoughts, hold on.
	So you're saying if you think homosexual thoughts, but you don't act on them, that's not homosexual, right?
	But we're thinking about attracting having attraction.
	When you also said if you have those attractions, but you don't act on them, that's not homosexual.
	From my worldview.
	I'm sorry, I'm just trying to finish.
	I just want to ask this before I get my point.
	So just to make sure I'm understanding you, right?
	If you have gay attraction, but you don't act on it, you're not gay.
	Yes.
	But what are those thoughts?
	Okay, not to be too explicit, but those thoughts might give you an erection.
	And so if you look at men and you get an erection, is that gay?
	Yeah, so I'm just trying to explain to you that the thoughts which are introduced into your brain to act on these what we would consider sinful behaviors that you're not supposed to do.
	That's from the tradition she comes from and the tradition I come from.
	I'm convinced that you're not going to be able to do that.
	So, in both of these traditions, these thoughts which are introduced into your brain, that in itself is not the same thing.
	But then I got a difference between like an intrusive thought super close, right?
	Those thoughts which are introduced themselves are not sins.
	It's your actions that make them sin.
	But I guess there's a difference between like an intrusive thought that can just randomly come and does not have any say over what you actually feel, and then like genuine attraction.
	Right.
	So, the question becomes.
	And then, at that point, if you have a bodily reaction, it's the question of belief and action.
	Which are which?
	So, which ones are thoughts which are introduced absent you, and which ones come from you?
	That's a much tougher question.
	And so, in my tradition, we say most of the thoughts that go into your head are probably not yours.
	Most of them are probably demonic thoughts.
	Yeah, but no, if you're having a bodily reaction, that's what you're like, that's where it becomes something gay, right?
	It's like if you're what is it?
	So, if it gives you direction as a sense of that, still have a reaction based on those thoughts, the introduction of thoughts, and have a physiological response and still never act on those things.
	So, we have to be cautious.
	So, you're saying if a guy gets a hard-on because he sees another hot dude and wants to fuck him, but never does, he's not gay.
	I'm asking you this question.
	I'm asking you from my viewpoint.
	I'm saying that's really answering you.
	My answer would be no, but here's why.
	From my tradition, we're saying the thoughts introduced into the brain, there are thoughts introduced into the brain which are demonic thoughts.
	And those thoughts can have all sorts of, they can put pictures in your head of all sorts of lustful things, they can put pictures in your head of all sorts of attractions you may not have.
	This is all Christian traditions have this, except maybe some Protestant ones, including Kyla, who says she's more involved with Catholics.
	She has to kind of concede that this is also a thought within the world.
	You don't bodily activate that.
	I don't have to concede to the extent that you're trying to use it.
	For example, I don't think any person in Christianity or secular world actually believes that if a dude, like, say, sorry, I want to use Brian.
	Say a guy named Tom, every time he sees a guy that he's kind of into you, he gets really attracted, he thinks about men a lot, and maybe he never masturbates to it ever.
	Every single person would say that he has a gay sexual orientation.
	Okay, every single person.
	Let me ask you the hang on.
	Let me ask you this.
	Let me ask this, let me ask this.
	Is that a sin from a Catholicism standpoint to act in homosexuality?
	Whether he has a sexual orientation or is doing a sin or not.
	Right, but don't the Catholics say that the reason there's a distinction is because it's possible that the demonic is influencing him and him not acting on it is him acting away from sin.
	That's possible, but it's also possible.
	And a lot of Catholics would agree, the Pope would agree with this, that people can have a predilection to be gay.
	And in the Catholic world, they would say, by not acting on your sexual orientation, you're not engaging in sin.
	No, none of them are saying you're not actually gay.
	The Catholic tradition is to say, if you're not, the whole point of their tradition for treatment for homosexuality is to say, this is a sin.
	You're not supposed to do this.
	And then they try to steer you away from the sin.
	They claim that the sin comes from the enemy.
	The thoughts for the sin come from the enemy, not from you.
	And we know that it's not coming from you because you're trying to get away from it.
	That's why you're going to the church.
	So these are introductions into your brain of demonic thoughts you're not acting on.
	You still just want them to be gay no matter what.
	This is your worldview.
	I am telling you.
	That's the Catholic tradition.
	Wait, Alexa, you want to come in.
	Here, Alexa, go ahead.
	I'm going to be very careful about the words I choose on this.
	There are instances where things happen to someone of force, I'm going to say, and your body has a natural reaction in those situations.
	Did that person want it?
	Absolutely not.
	I would argue that they didn't.
	Okay.
	And I'm trying to not use.
	I know what you're saying.
	I'm just, I'm not connecting why you would talk about what you're saying.
	You're not going to be natural.
	No, no, no.
	I'm saying, so there's a physical bodily reaction.
	Are you saying that that person wanted it?
	You're saying that if someone's body naturally about the body, nobody's going to be able to do it.
	Like a wealthy person.
	I'm saying that person is No, baked into this.
	Would you agree that there's a really big difference between being graped and then having a sexual response versus having constant repeated physical stimulation?
	Sexual attraction to a person.
	Yeah, during grape, you're actually being touched.
	There's a physical stimulation happening to you.
	Oh, so baked into this is the person.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	No one touched it.
	Please let me finish.
	Baked into this, baked into what we were talking about, we have explicitly stated the guy is attracted to other men, gets hard because of other men, but never actually has sex with other men.
	Andrew was saying that's not gay.
	Don't you know the table recognized?
	All of us were saying, no, that's gay.
	If you're attracted, you get hard on it, you want it, but you don't act on it, you're still gay.
	Obviously.
	Everyone would agree that if you're attracted to me, new topic, and we're going to wrap up very soon.
	We're going to wrap up very soon.
	I think we, every time we transition topics, I think we need Nala to just drop a U-wu or something.
	Am I like sick of it yet or not?
	He's just like, how long did I go?
	I would like to hear an oo-woo from everybody.
	Let's do it.
	Only if you do it too.
	I'll do it too.
	Yeah, no, you guys go first.
	Oh, no, no, no, to poison pep, okay?
	I'll drink after you drink.
	But I see.
	I'll do it.
	Oh, fuck.
	I'll drink it first camera.
	I am secure in my masculinity.
	I'm glad.
	So I am comfortable saying I'll do an oo-woo.
	Put the face expression every day.
	I can't do that.
	No, full.
	It's here for us to put our chest into it.
	It was just for you.
	Just saying, just do it with the black.
	It's yours, bro.
	It's going to happen again.
	Do I have to now?
	You have to do it.
	Try to do it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Or can it be like this?
	I think you have to get high.
	You have to do it.
	Do it in your own way.
	It has to do it in your own way.
	Yeah.
	Ooh.
	That was so good.
	That was actually great.
	You have to make Andrew do it, though, when he comes back.
	He can't really do it.
	That might be a tough sell.
	It might be a tough sell.
	I'll try my best.
	You're a professional debater, okay?
	I'll try my best.
	I'll see what I can do.
	I'll pull some strings.
	Kyla, go ahead.
	Ooh, love it.
	Slay.
	No, I feel embarrassed.
	Okay.
	Ooh.
	I've got to say this one in my chest.
	Okay.
	Fix the hair.
	You got this.
	You got this.
	Get out.
	Put it in my soul.
	Do it.
	I'm so nervous.
	This is going to be on the internet forever.
	Among many other things.
	Let's not start that.
	Let's not start that.
	Ooh.
	Wait, we missed it.
	We missed it.
	We missed it.
	Sorry.
	Do it again.
	So many great things happen.
	He's making us all u-woo.
	He is too.
	I'm not going to be one, but they don't have to.
	You can say it in your own voice.
	Ooh.
	Ew.
	Oh, my God.
	Ooh.
	I'm going to pretend like you need to just make my dick go soft.
	That was me.
	That was.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	I'm hurt.
	It was you.
	Respectfully.
	What?
	No.
	Hello?
	Respectfully.
	Just curious, why not?
	It's just not my thing.
	It's not your thing?
	Yeah.
	Bankrupting thing.
	Damn.
	We all have to.
	Are you dreadless?
	Wait, can you at least pull the microphone closer?
	Sorry.
	And tilt it up and look closer to you and actually speak into it.
	Yeah.
	Mercy.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, gosh.
	Okay.
	Let me try this.
	All right.
	I don't know if I can do the eyebrows.
	Pull the microphone closer.
	Eww.
	Whoa.
	Wow.
	That's good.
	That's a surprise.
	It was surprisingly good.
	Good.
	I am impressed.
	She's practiced.
	She has.
	She's for sure done it before.
	Oh, yeah.
	Please.
	Please.
	If she concedes that men are stronger than women, will you do it?
	No.
	Okay.
	That's too much feminine energy.
	Not uwing.
	Can you do a masculine uwu?
	If you can't, do like if you're men.
	You can do like ooh.
	Go for a testosterone.
	Do you know the Marine Corps Urah?
	It's not that far donated $100.
	It's not that far away.
	No man cares what of girls think on dating topics.
	Please get regular woman on here.
	Tonight's questions and discussions are pointless.
	I am losing brain cells.
	I'm better off watching Dumb and Dumber.
	Dumb and Dumber is a classic.
	Haven't I donated like twice already?
	Saucy topics.
	Yeah, literally, if you don't like it, why do you give them money?
	But also don't.
	Thanks.
	You are financing this fucking.
	There you have it.
	My hate watchers never pay me, so you got something good going on.
	I guess so.
	Wait, where were we?
	Ooh, yeah, with Andrew.
	Oohooing with Andrew.
	Yeah, I don't think.
	Sorry, guys, I'm just fixing this.
	This should be a whole podcast.
	I spoiled all the fun, I know.
	Well, let's try to wrap up here pretty soon.
	I did do it.
	It didn't sound like it.
	I didn't have that.
	You did so good.
	You're going to do it again.
	Andrew, I will do an U-Woo again if you do an Ahigal.
	I don't think you can do that.
	Okay, you first.
	Whoa, Do it again first.
	Do it.
	This is a verbal control.
	He already did it.
	What the amount of it is worth.
	That's the reason.
	Andrew, I want to see.
	This is a legally binding contract.
	And if you breach said contract, do you agree to pay me an amount of $10,000 should you choose to not do the ahigal?
	See, this is the best.
	Here, let's actually draft that contract.
	I'm going to draft up.
	This sucks because I was just going to lean into the mic and say, I lied and make you do it again, but now we've gotten way too far into it.
	And the whole joke is wrecked.
	I think it would still be funny.
	Oh.
	Yeah, no, it would definitely still be funny.
	You can keep the picture of the ugly woman.
	Of me?
	I think this is a beautiful woman.
	So, before we wrap up, before we wrap up, maybe we can try to bring this back a little bit to dating.
	So, does anybody have anything dating, dating-related that they would like to get off their chest before we wrap up the show?
	Anything from maybe men are pissing you off in some way.
	It's frustrating out there in the dating.
	I love men.
	I feel like I learn so much from men.
	Like, all of my mentors are men, my business partner, my sensei's.
	I feel like I learn a great deal from men.
	Honestly, I find that it's harder to learn things from women just for me personally.
	I don't look up to a lot of women.
	Just doing what I do and creating the space that I did for myself.
	I don't really look up to many women at all.
	So, I mean, there are women.
	I don't know why.
	I don't have girlfriends.
	It's like, guys, I just kind of, yeah, like, it's not even about sex or dating.
	Like, I just, I love men.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Anybody else?
	I'd say two things.
	Going off of that, I think it's, and I'm curious to know your guys' stance on this.
	I find it very sad, but like, if you look into like social media or, you know, celebrities in this, there are not very good role models for dating or people to say like, that is a relationship I want to strive towards.
	And I think for a lot of women, when they're younger, yeah, it's easier to go to OF.
	It's easier to do these things because you're like, there's not kind of, you, you get burnt basically, and you just say, fuck men, let's do this.
	I'd rather make money.
	And if I'm going to be sad and single, might as well be rich and single.
	Better be way at the top than the bottom.
	Exactly.
	And I think I do think it's sad, though, that there's not a lot of good role models to follow.
	From my standpoint, after a few days of this, I realized something important.
	I actually tweeted it out, which is that if my wife died tomorrow, I definitely would never date again, ever.
	No, I would live the rest of my life in solitaire and be fine with it.
	I'd be fine with it.
	What's that?
	What about pornhub?
	What about it?
	Like, would you engage a good phrase?
	But that's like a relationship.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would.
	I would just, I would be done.
	That's like, I can't, I don't even understand it.
	Like, I can't believe that the level of selfishness and degeneracy is like a bad thing.
	I mean, isn't watching porn like a pretty equal sin to like being gay or something?
	Wait, what?
	I mean, because you said you would.
	I don't know if I misheard him.
	You said you watched pornhub, but isn't it?
	No, that said no.
	Oh, he said no.
	Okay, I got so confused.
	Never mind.
	I'm going to take everything back.
	I was like, really?
	She's like, let's do this.
	If any of you guys, in the next couple minutes, think of anything dating related you'd like to discuss, I'm going to do some chats if you guys want to think about that.
	So we have Infinite Singularity.
	Brian and Alexa are like peanut butter and jelly, individually great, but together they're a match made in YouTube heaven.
	I love that.
	Thank you.
	Okay, Infinite Singularity.
	Thank you.
	The problem is I'm allergic to peanut butter.
	I can't be peanut butter.
	Is in a situationship.
	Wait, what?
	Aren't you?
	No.
	Didn't you allude to something in the beginning how you didn't want to talk about something?
	Huh?
	Yeah, no.
	What?
	I think it's a different one.
	Wait, what?
	Anyone were single?
	You would have just said I'm single, but I don't think you are.
	No, I just don't privately.
	If I was single, I wouldn't privately, I don't disclose anything.
	Just because I just wouldn't disclose.
	If I was single, I wouldn't disclose.
	If I was in a relationship, either way, I would not disclose just for security reasons.
	So I ask that you guys respect that.
	Okay, so listen, it's been like all the times I've been on this show and I've tried to use context clues and this and that.
	What the fuck is a situationship?
	Oh, it's like not a relationship, but you're kind of seeing someone and talking to someone.
	But in your relationship, I call it degeneracy.
	Yeah.
	So basically, the problem with younger generations that you don't have to deal with in dating is people become intimate with one another and they have all the connections of a relationship without the title and their obligations.
	It's not just older people that are in a situation.
	No, but I'm just saying it's more for younger generations of like when it came about.
	I don't know why, but we just don't know.
	Well, we named it situationships.
	No, I love titles.
	Yeah, I do too.
	But it's like, people don't want that.
	People want the freedom.
	But see, that's a thing.
	Without the title.
	If they want the freedom, they can go be free over there.
	That's what's saying.
	Just be sick of it.
	Here might be an example of a situationship.
	Two people have been dating, hooking up, having sex for a period of three months.
	They've never had an overt conversation about exclusivity.
	They haven't had a conversation of whether their boyfriend or girlfriend.
	They would be in a little bit more than a million dollars.
	They would get mad, but they couldn't.
	Because they're technically not.
	Yeah, but then, you know, that's what makes it a situation.
	We also have another chat here from Infinite.
	Silas right that I would just call it degeneracy.
	Infinite singularity, Brian plus Alexa, YouTube singularity.
	They really had it together.
	Okay.
	Where are you taking me on our first date?
	Hey, down the street.
	I don't know if there's anything.
	Well, we already just got that.
	What?
	You know, you said 50-50s.
	That's how we're going.
	Finesse.
	Okay.
	Alan Vargasi Alex, Canadian.
	Andrew fan.
	Canadian 200.
	By the way, do you speak French?
	No.
	Because you're not French or you're not in the Toronto.
	What is it?
	Montreal?
	I'm not Toronto.
	I'm from Alberta.
	I'm from like Texas of Canada.
	Ah, I see.
	Okay.
	Well, Mercy Bucu for the Canadian 200, Erudite thinks she can outsmart Andrew, but he is far superior in his arguments and thoughts.
	She falls in all her arguments, and Andrew has consistently demolished Erudite's arguments in many of their previous.
	This has got to be like, this is like the classic FBI, like basement dwelling mouth breather like statements that like so often, like not all of your communities like this, but there's so many in your community that it's just like, as long as I keep saying that this person's stupid and wrong, it'll be true.
	Yeah, I know.
	Why are you psychoanalyzing these?
	It's not like you're in your community who's just like, more degeneracy in gay sex, and I won't be happy.
	That's not my community.
	That's my community.
	Yeah.
	My community is pretty heterogeneous, but.
	Okay, we have Jeremy here.
	I'm allowed to think about hurting someone really bad, but that does not mean I am a murderer.
	The girl in the black hair can think she's smart, but that does not mean she is.
	Red hair girl, spit in my mouth.
	Number one.
	She will if you pay enough.
	Okay.
	I'll just do it for free.
	Are you kidding?
	I do all the time.
	I'm sorry.
	You're just stupid.
	If you think about hurting people really bad all the time, we wouldn't call you a murderer, but we might call you a fucking psychopath.
	Are you fucking deranged?
	I am so tired of low IQ chatters.
	Jesus.
	I don't know.
	Okay, sorry.
	But they make you money, so I don't know.
	I don't even understand that argument, though.
	If people have thoughts, if they have like, even homicidal things like this, they never act out on them and they never even discuss them, right?
	And in all other ways, they're functional society.
	Is that reality how attraction people are?
	If you think about hurting yourself all the time, then you might be depressed or suicidal.
	Obviously, you're not acting towards it, but if you're thinking all the time, something is obviously wrong with you, you're depressed, you're sad, something.
	If a guy thinks about stabbing women in the eyes all the time and he gets hard whenever he sees like organs and stuff like that, yeah, he's not necessarily a murderer at that point, but he's a fucking psychopath.
	You're just always kind of putting extra on what's being said.
	Sure, I'm being hyperbolic, but what I'm saying is that we can label psychological states that don't require actions, which is why sexual orientation is a labeled psychological state regardless of action, and action can be labeled separately.
	So when I'm playing two words, when I'm playing Grand Theft Auto V, I'm having homicidal thoughts every 15 seconds.
	Am I a psychopath?
	Yes.
	No, definitely.
	Am I a psychopath?
	Like when I shank her when she's down and I take my money back, right?
	Is that me being a psychopath?
	But if there's a degree to which it's like happening all the time, you're visualizing it with other people, you're getting like horny about it.
	Oh, no, I'll have friends in the game, like in Red Dead Redemption.
	I'll have like five friends.
	I'm just allowed to use context clues when language.
	We'll grab a rope and drag a woman across into the road.
	Yeah, but you want to do that to me.
	Am I a homicidal audience?
	Wait, wait, wait, do you want to do that to a real woman?
	No, but I mean, my point is, is that you can have...
	The whole point is that context matters for defining psychological states.
	Fucking obviously, right?
	Like, just because you're watching in a video, this is like the argument like old Christians tried to use to get rid of video games and stuff.
	Like, the reality is that seems like your brain can tell the difference between a Grand Theft Auto Grammy that you're being running over versus a reality.
	So your brain can detect things which you have, which could be fantasy, and in no way actually are something that you would do in reality.
	Like even homicidal thoughts.
	Yeah, but in the case of homicidal thoughts, you're right.
	You never acted out and you might not be a murderer, but you might have homicidal thoughts all the time and low empathy and you might be labeled as a hypothesis.
	You might, but you could also, according to this same analogy, have homicidal thoughts all the time, never act them out because you understand that they're just fantasy and you don't care.
	I'm going to tell you, welcome to like psychology 101.
	Yeah, sometimes.
	Yeah, but then don't call the comment low IQ when it clearly wasn't.
	It's a target.
	It didn't seem to be.
	No, it's worse.
	You got to the same point the comments are got to.
	We didn't get to the same point as well.
	The entire point is the context around the situation, right?
	If you're dreaming about murdering people just all the time, you might be labeled as a psychopath.
	If you're playing GTA, there's obviously context queuing the types of thoughts.
	These are clearly different situations, and any good psychology person with a basic modicum of understanding can understand how contextualized mental status.
	And what the super chatter said was, I can have homicidal thoughts and not be a murderer.
	Who said that that's low IQ, even though it's clearly true, and he just admitted it.
	Okay, the reason why it's low IQ is 14 times for Royal.
	The reason why it's low IQ is he's trying to equate it to the same 14.
	Exactly.
	14.
	The reason why it's low IQ is he's trying to make that analogous to the argument that you can have homosexual desires all the time and not be a homosexual person.
	You could murder yourself.
	I'm just telling you that's not directly.
	Your tradition, the Catholic tradition, that's totally different.
	Okay, so Andrew right now is admitting that men say something, have constant homosexual thoughts all the time, get hard to men, but as long as it doesn't have sex, don't worry, you're not fucking up.
	And what I'm saying is that you can have thoughts which are not your own, which are introduced by the demonic, and that you don't have to act on those thoughts and have to do it.
	Okay, like being a murderer is obviously not something we correlate to your thoughts, but like your attraction and sexuality is something we like clearly tie to our thoughts.
	Like you can know you're attracted to a celebrity without ever fucking them or ever seeing them in person.
	Like your sexual attraction is very directly correlated to your thoughts.
	But being a murderer, you're clearly like yes your thoughts matter, but the action of being a murderer has nothing to do with your thoughts.
	Like you'd be a virgin, but not your sexuality.
	No, no, no.
	But what she's also saying is like a lot goes into being a murderer.
	A lot goes into homes, like behavioral.
	A lot goes into having sex with a dude if you're a dude, I'm guessing.
	I understand that.
	And I'm not agreeing with either Zeek.
	I'm just trying to explain what she's saying.
	Let's go back to dating.
	I was about to say, it just isn't.
	Did anybody have any last thing they wanted to touch on on dating?
	Dating's rough.
	You know what, though?
	I did want to ask a question, though, because I want to go back to what I said from before when you asked me if I was single and I told you that we had been on and off, correct?
	Yeah.
	And what I had meant by that is like, you know, on and off for me is also like when I argue with, let's say, my man at the time, and we argue and we're like, okay, I'm done.
	We're like, we're done.
	That's kind of on and off to me.
	Like, if I go home and I said we're done, and then like the next day, you know, we got back together.
	That's on and off, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then you got to do it.
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	I feel it's like emotionally.
	Even if it wasn't like a consensual, like two-way, like, yes, we sat down, we broke up.
	Like, that was.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But, like, for me, if it was like, okay, I said we're done.
	I like literally, I broke up with you and then I went home.
	And then maybe two days later, I got, like, I went back to you.
	That's on and off.
	Correct?
	Yeah.
	I don't think most people like to do it that way, but I don't know.
	These labels don't matter.
	I mean, that's all.
	Because you're ending it at the end of the day, whether or not it's a whole conversation.
	And whether or not it happens already.
	It's related to this.
	It's kind of related to this.
	What's that famous trope from Friends?
	Were they...
	Oh, we were on a break.
	Were they on the break?
	Were they on the break?
	Oh, yeah.
	Breaks.
	Breaks.
	Maybe people here haven't seen Friends, but.
	I haven't.
	I love that.
	You need to watch that show, girl.
	That's a great show.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	What do you guys think about breaks?
	About breaks?
	Like in a relationship?
	I do.
	If you're on a break, you're done.
	It's over.
	Yeah, you're just saying, okay, you're done.
	Like, you don't need a break in a relationship.
	Like, it's like.
	Okay, wait, wait.
	But can I give you an example, though?
	Honestly, yes and no.
	Okay, because I want to cheat without cheating.
	I don't think you're going to change my mind about this because I've been told that I get that.
	And I always never end up with them.
	Listen, I feel the same exact way.
	I feel the same exact way.
	But I also think that there is slight circumstances when two people can really be going through their own shit and really be going through separate things that are affecting the relationship.
	And they really need to take time apart to figure out their own shit and see if this shit can be resolved to get back into the relationship and see if it's not going to be a problem.
	How about whoever does like healthy and not talking about it?
	But if you're in a healthy relationship or like if you really, really love the person, if you and your boyfriend both love each other and you really do want to take a break to work on yourselves individually and then get back together, then I think that's correct.
	But a lot of the times a break is not break, you should still stay committed if it's genuine.
	I did almost an entire year's separation from my husband actually, like four years into our relationship.
	So we didn't do a break because, yeah, it was the best thing we've ever done for our relationship.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But to be clear, it wasn't a break.
	It was not a break.
	Like, we weren't seeing other people at all.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And it was one.
	And it was like seven months long.
	Because if you're going to, in my mind, if you're going to take a break, take a fucking break.
	Yeah.
	Figure out what it is.
	A break is not breaking up.
	It's taking time apart to deal with your shit.
	I think what it really is is you have to look at the relationship and go, every single toxic pattern that I bring to this relationship will repeat in every single relationship I have from here.
	So if I want to work it out with this person or any person in the future, I have to figure out my stuff first.
	Which is what my husband and I did.
	And this is why, like, our relationship has never been healthier since we came back from the separation.
	Like, it's just, it's like, we're just, I don't even know, I can't even put words to it.
	We're just so happy.
	But I would agree that like 85% of couples that take a break don't work out with you.
	Can I ask you?
	Because it's like a toxic, clingy thing now.
	It's like you're worried about them instead of worrying about yourself.
	And then you're like, well, I don't want them to sleep with anyone else, so we should just keep sleeping together.
	But if you're worried about them sleeping with anyone else while you're on a break, then that obviously should be the number one red flag.
	I just think you're broken up then.
	If you're sleeping to see someone else, you're done.
	Like, it's no longer a break.
	If you're taking a break and you're not seeing anyone else, and you're seriously going to work on your room, that would just be different.
	I've never heard of one, though.
	Because usually when people take breaks, it's because they just want to.
	But like, well, here's the thing, too.
	Most people that go on breaks want to see if there's something better out there.
	And if they're not screening, then they come back and they're like, okay, like, yeah, it's like breaking up without the commitment.
	Like, I want to go see if I like someone else more.
	And if I don't, I kind of want to pursue something at the moment because this is the same thing.
	Well, it's an all-again break.
	It's not like that 100% of the time.
	I think that's like 99% of the time, but a little bit of the time, it's actually real.
	Like, a lot of couples do go through breaks and come back better.
	Don't make me deal with that.
	I need a cheeseburger.
	Don't make me deal with Jeremy.
	It's such a thing.
	How much money has Jeremy sent me to the bottom?
	Speaking of that, Jeremy, human thoughts don't necessarily reflect identity or intentions.
	People often have spontaneous, sometimes disturbing thoughts.
	I already acknowledge that.
	Don't align with their values in cognitive behavioral therapy.
	Thoughts are seen as separate from truths or actions.
	Not thinking.
	I think Jeremy's only doing thinking negating requires maybe wreck.
	I think it might have been a type of thing.
	Thoughts aren't seen as separate from truths.
	No, absolutely.
	Thoughts are seen as actions and beings.
	Thoughts are seen as actions.
	Yeah, but that's not my question.
	My question was are they seen separate from truths?
	Cognitive behavioral therapy doesn't really get into truths in general, which is why I know that this dumb fuck knows nothing about CBT.
	Oh, we got Maltese Teaking with donated $200.
	Hey, that's gross.
	W overall panel Landrew W since Adi R2 is best.
	No one remembers number two girl's name, but her cup needs to seriously reconsider.
	Ladies, please don't get plastic surgery.
	It's gross.
	You're gross.
	Again, if I'm having sex with him, he's just not a cuck.
	I agree with his last part.
	I'm gross.
	I'm a natural body supremacist.
	I think I've heard you talk about this.
	You're kind of after that factual rarity on this because you would say, like, Jennifer Anniston, for example.
	Obviously, she's old now, but you'd say she's like not very attractive to you.
	Because she's had like half a million dollars put into her face.
	I suppose it's possible that somebody could have plastic surgery and I could still find them attractive.
	Really mild, small amounts.
	But you're just like natural now.
	No, it's more so I could still find someone attractive whether they've had plastic surgery or not.
	But would I prefer them to have not had the plastic surgery?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Also, I think it's incredibly, this is perhaps one of my rare feminist positions.
	I think it's incredibly damaging to women that there's certain beauty standards and you've got the Kardashians and shit that's basically brainwashed and rotted the brains of vast swaths of women to feel compelled to get these dangerous and expensive and frankly unnecessary cosmetic surgeries.
	Yeah.
	That's fair.
	Okay.
	And do you prefer girls with like less makeup as well?
	Like no makeup.
	Yes.
	I appreciate that.
	No makeup or less makeup.
	And it's very wholesome.
	Yeah.
	It is.
	Yeah.
	So I'm not trying to say you're cute.
	I'm so sorry.
	I'm literally not saying that.
	Yeah, yeah, no, that's fine.
	That's the worst thing for me.
	No, like, for example, I say this all the time.
	It's just like kind of demasculating for a lot of guys.
	That's cute, though.
	That's the only way we would use women.
	Because an endearing term of endearance.
	Yeah.
	Like, I think women would appreciate that.
	But I think a lot of men prefer to be like feel respected and valued, right?
	So if you're being like, oh, you're small, obviously.
	I'm not tripping about any of that.
	But I mean, just when it comes to the plastic surgery, like, and I think a lot of men would actually agree with me.
	It's not clear to me that the majority of men find plastic surgery particularly appealing or attractive.
	And then I do think it can also, it can be proxy for potentially unappealing personality traits.
	But for example, I would much prefer a woman, let's say she had absolutely no boobs, just totally flat.
	I would prefer her with a flat chest than just big fake tits.
	If they were small and natural looking fake tits.
	Like the, have you heard of like the gummy bear fake tits?
	Yeah.
	I know gummy bears.
	They're crazy.
	You cannot tell.
	When they put them on the floor.
	Yeah, you can still tell.
	I think.
	I feel not the gummy bears.
	The only way you can tell is when you put the flashlight under the tit, which is fine.
	I've never tried that.
	I mean, I would still prefer.
	I've never seen someone do that.
	I don't know.
	I don't have fake tits, but apparently.
	Neither of that.
	You can like see.
	Oh, the lights are like.
	Is that not real?
	I know.
	I was about to say I'm a combo.
	It's not even so much.
	I know.
	I just need to see something real fast.
	It's not even so much about the size, really.
	But I mean, I would prefer a woman who, let's say she was totally flat or maybe her boobs sagged a little bit.
	I would prefer that than a girl who had these perfectly perky fake tits.
	Not everyone is like you, though.
	Yeah, I was in this.
	I would argue most men, like skinny ass girls, I feel, okay, and in the industry, I feel like ever since I joined the industry, I used to be like so happy about my body.
	I used to love my body.
	Before or after?
	Before I joined the industry.
	Once I joined the industry, I have never felt more insecure about my body.
	Well, because your nudity is on the money.
	It's just like seeing all the girls in porn.
	And if you like look up, if you literally just click on the porn page, you don't see anyone like me.
	When you go to conventions for the industry, you don't see a lot of girls like me.
	When you see all my photographers' Instagrams that shoot girls in the industry, they never post the pictures of the skinny girls, the ones with no boobs, no ass.
	They're posting the girls that have curves, big tits.
	And I get that not, obviously, a lot of people like natural, but it's a reality that this industry and this generation, you know, Romanticizes, you know?
	Why is Jeanette Michelle like one of the top 10 OnlyFans content creators?
	I have no idea.
	Jeanette Buchojo mom is that guy.
	Is it a guy?
	She's a lady, okay?
	Bad meme.
	She has the most egregious proportions I've ever seen.
	She's done like facts.
	She's like this big.
	Wait, what's her name?
	Jeanette Michelle.
	And she's like one of the top 10 OnlyFans content creators.
	Another top one is Black China.
	Against Jeanette.
	That's so interesting.
	None of that's relevant.
	If you look at a lot of the top 10, there's a couple of like celebrities that are more natural looking, but most of them are like hyperplastic.
	And it's not that a lot of natural girls aren't dominating in the industry.
	That's not what I'm talking about.
	It's just if you really look at the reality, if you were to say, think of like five, you know, but I'm not talking about.
	Okay, we're talking about different things.
	I'm talking about like what, but I'm willing to admit that probably if you have fake breasts, you have nice fake breasts, that that would perhaps give you some competitive advantage when it comes to would it could it be the case that men are more likely to purchase your OnlyFans if you have fake breasts?
	Could you be a bit more eye-catching with fake breasts in that context?
	Yes, but in terms of a woman that I'm looking to date or have a relationship, and speaking, I'd speak broadly here.
	I think most men, frankly, don't really prefer women with plastic surgery.
	I'm not saying that they're, of course, there's men who are attracted to women.
	I actually have no idea how many guys that I've actually liked have come up to me and literally said, I just don't think I can be with you because you don't have what I want.
	They're assholes.
	You don't have ass.
	I mean, look, I guess people are entitled to their preferences when it comes to that.
	And especially, it's because you never know what a person.
	Like, I've never been this skinny in my life.
	I used to have really big tits, really big, whatever, right?
	I have health issues.
	So it's just like people are very insensitive.
	And obviously, society now, with what you guys were saying, like Kim Kardashian and like all the role models that are in the society now in this generation, it's just, it sucks that that is what the norm is and what you should, you know?
	Yeah, and I can add a little bit to it.
	So, I mean, in your case, you don't, you don't currently have plastic surgery?
	No.
	Are you consider?
	Have you considered getting fake breasts?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I mean, my advice to you would be don't do it.
	Yeah.
	Well, don't do it.
	I think you're beautiful as you are without the need to undergo dangerous and unnecessary surgery.
	And I actually have a somewhat hot take on this, but just to expand on my previous point.
	So when it comes to plastic surgery, I think a girl who's flat is fuck.
	That's a good thing.
	Oh, it's $200.
	The look on Andrew's face for the entire time the discourse shifts to an extended discussion on breast augmentation is the greatest thing I've ever seen.
	Great show to do.
	Yo, James Sexton, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	If you guys are in New York and you need a divorce attorney, you're a divorce attorney?
	No, no, no.
	No, that guy's sexton.
	James Sexton.
	I was like, I'm so happy, so I know.
	I'm so confused.
	Yes, that would be the Sexton Wilson and Associates.
	Look no further than Esquire James Sexton.
	And in fact, Nala, can you do a quick endorsement into this camera?
	No.
	I meant like an endorsement.
	Can you just say into this camera, James Sexton is the best divorce attorney in New York City?
	He's going to use that for ads, I'm sure.
	What do I mean?
	You don't have to.
	Wait, James, what do I get out of this?
	He'll never use it, but it'll be hard.
	He might use it.
	James, I will grant you.
	James, oh God, he's a lawyer, so Maddie.
	I don't feel like believing that.
	I will grant you a limited use license to use the next 30 seconds of this podcast.
	Commercial use, that's fine.
	Perpetuity even.
	You think that's what I'm saying?
	I will grant you perpetuity, James.
	You can use this in advertising.
	That's what he wants as an advertisement.
	Of course, he does.
	Of course.
	Come down here.
	Get a divorce.
	Divorce your wife.
	Don't divorce me, James.
	No.
	Okay, does your husband want one of these?
	Okay, so the point I was trying to make.
	So prefer a girl who's flat versus a girl who has faked hits.
	I prefer a girl with a little belly fat than a girl who has lipobelly.
	I'd prefer a girl with a no ass than with a BBL.
	I prefer a girl with small upper lip than a girl with lip filler.
	I would prefer a girl.
	Not a boy?
	No, I just thought you were going there.
	I just broke that.
	Okay.
	I would prefer a girl with a large labia than with a labia placedy.
	Big labia matter, BLM.
	That's my nonprofit organization.
	Majora.
	Menorah and Major.
	Both can be a both hater and lover.
	But, and like, going around the table, has anybody here had any cosmetic surgery?
	Nala.
	What have I had done?
	Oh, I thought you were too.
	I think don't worry.
	My teeth are so horrible.
	What about they're so swollen right now?
	Because I'm on my period, though.
	Are you considering lip injections?
	Because a lot of girls don't consider lip injections cosmetic, but I'm plastic surgery.
	I would consider plastic.
	James Sexton donated $2 million.
	Are you trying to put me out of business?
	No thanks.
	The firm of Sexton, Wilson, and Associates does have a nice ring to it.
	Again, great show tonight.
	Thanks, Jay, James.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Again, guys, if you're in New York and you need a family law attorney, look no further than James.
	He'll hate your wife as much as you do.
	Don't worry.
	He's also, he does maritime law, too.
	So I'm just saying.
	If you marry any of these women, you're going to need him.
	Also, tree law.
	He's also very much involved in tree law.
	Did you guys know that I didn't know this, but trees are expensive as fuck.
	If you cut down a tree, you're fucked.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You do like tens of thousands of dollars sometimes.
	You got some dispute with your neighbor and you like, okay, I'm going to fuck their tree up.
	That's like six feet.
	You might owe them six figures, right, James?
	Right?
	I think it's a crazy thing.
	Wait, James.
	Just don't cut down any trees.
	Do you do tree law?
	Have you done any tree law?
	I'm just curious.
	Any tree law, James?
	I remember my boyfriend hit a tree and he had to pay the city $20,000.
	Oh, yeah.
	So here's also the thing: if you plant a tree, always be considerate.
	Like, if you have a house, be very considerate of where the plumbing is because the roots will actually damage.
	It can be like six figures.
	Oh, wow.
	Also, what it's covering because they can literally find new trees.
	James.
	Wait, so Nala, I thought you had, for some reason, I thought you had faked.
	I've literally had no surgery done.
	I have lip filler.
	I got Botox in my forehead.
	I had to stop that because I couldn't make expressions.
	Nick, can you pull up Nala's Instagram?
	Do you have any photos of your Lamborghini first off?
	I'm just going to say that.
	Yeah, if you scroll down, there's a picture of it with me.
	What?
	Oh, it's a mic.
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	If you scroll down, you'll see me at a car wash in a blue bikini.
	Wait, Maddie, are you.
	Maddie, can you come back or are you still working?
	Okay, because literally scroll down.
	I want to wrap up pretty soon.
	Okay.
	well i was just curious because like you've undergone a pretty big transformation right in terms of so like do you have any photos of you where you don't have red hair I'm just curious.
	Yeah, that was like six years ago.
	It's no real hair.
	You saw the pastoral.
	No, I had photos earlier.
	Actually, this might be her home.
	This might be her.
	I don't know if we can look at it.
	I think bikinis are allowed on YouTube, and Twitch for sure doesn't give you a lot of stuff.
	Yeah.
	I think you'd be good unless there's like nips based on it.
	No, there's absolutely nothing.
	Whatever.
	Instagram would not allow that.
	I would.
	Anyways.
	For some women, maybe, not me.
	I just think you can take any woman who's had like breast implants, BBL, I guess, lipo lips.
	With certainty, I could say I would prefer all those women had they not had any of those procedures.
	So any young women, any young women who are considering getting any sort of plastic surgery, I want you guys to know that there are plenty of men out there that will think you're beautiful and love you and find you sexy and attractive without the need to undergo dangerous, expensive, unnecessary cosmetic surgery.
	Can I tell you a crazy stat that's been replicated?
	What's up?
	Plastic surgery, so small amounts of it, like one to two plastic surgeries, are one of the most preventative things you can do for a psychiatric illness.
	That's crazy.
	Like in the preventative effect for like 10 to 30 years.
	That's more than like any therapy, medication.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	Because like in the military, it reduces the like for women to get like their boobs done because it's like for their mental health.
	It's like a cognitive distance thing.
	If you look in the mirror every day and you're like slightly unhappy.
	What?
	Yeah.
	It's actually crazy.
	We never expected it, but like really small amounts of plastic surgery can be very protective against psychiatric illness because you basically, if there's a part of your body that you look at and you just always body it a little bit.
	Yeah.
	If you just make that not look that way, you'll be significantly.
	There's a there's cosmetic surgery.
	You should get therapy instead, but obviously.
	What we need to do is take back the culture and embolden women to see their innate beauty without women.
	Stab worshiping feminist here.
	Feminist liberal Brian tonight.
	Yeah, it's progressive Brian.
	I guess so.
	I guess.
	I know.
	I'm a big advocate.
	Women need to just travel to other countries because you go to Europe, those guys.
	Yeah, very little makeup is desirable.
	No plastic surgery.
	Just go somewhere else for the beginning.
	I leave here.
	Like, my mental health is like significantly.
	Like, I don't want to touch my body.
	I don't want to do anything.
	I don't even want to be in the industry anymore because it's just like, it's so much more like natural.
	Yeah, everyone there is just happier, healthier.
	You know, even if you're not doing anything, it's just like they're so, they're such a tight-knit community.
	You know what I mean?
	I'll just, I'll say this.
	I think that we should encourage women to develop a constitution where not like a liberal, not like the American Constitution.
	We need to develop a constitution of character so that they don't feel compelled to go and get plastic surgery and that they even take some sort of pride in being like, I don't need to get so much pride in that.
	Like, again, she says like lif filler, yeah, okay.
	Well, no, but like that dissolves that goes away.
	Like, that's not permanent.
	And lip filler is not the most invasive.
	Absolutely not.
	It takes like less than five minutes.
	Nola, I think you would be just as attractive without the lip filler.
	Oh, I do too.
	But for me, it was like, I really wanted it.
	Like, I was like, I love my lips.
	I love my lip shape.
	Don't change the shape of my lips.
	Just enlarge them a little bit, which you can also do with some lip glosses.
	Like, they plump your lips.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	So for me, that was like, this is something super minor.
	And if I don't like it down the line, it will go away.
	So that made me really happy.
	But again, everything is anime, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, but don't they usually have small mouths?
	I don't, I mean, I think so most of the time, but for me, I'm not like trying to look like an anime.
	This is just me, and I'm into anime, and I cosplay.
	But that's about it.
	I'm not like claiming to be an anime character or anything.
	No, I don't know.
	And I also don't like phrases and like that, the cross-eyed thing.
	That's all like Japanese.
	But that's like my niche.
	Has anyone ever told you that you're trying to appropriate culture?
	Oh, absolutely not.
	In fact, I've gotten like cosmetics.
	Next time, next time.
	Well, I have a couple of Japanese friends who speak fluent in Japanese and stuff, and they're like so happy for me that I'm engaging it this way because they're like, you're respecting it.
	You're trying to learn about it.
	You're not just watching anime and claiming to be something, which is, that's fine.
	They don't care anyway.
	They're all though.
	I think you'd be surprised how much they actually care.
	Let me just get through some chats and we are going to wrap here very soon, I think, within five minutes.
	Actually, really quick question, maybe for the feminists here.
	What is a stronger feminist position?
	Saying that women shouldn't get cosmetic surgery or saying women should have the freedom because I've heard both from feminists that it's like someone argued once.
	Like Dorkin, Andrea Dorkin would be like, fuck plastic surgery, fuck shaving.
	She's like really intense.
	But like, probably like a D Chi, for example, would be super pro.
	Women should have the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want.
	I think personally, I think women should have the freedom.
	However, I think it's important to keep in mind that a lot of the things that we consider to be like a free right to do, there are still like social influences that go beyond that.
	I was going to say, that's a big thing.
	Is like, if you're doing it because it's something that you want to do and you're not wanting to appease the other opposite sex or get attention from them or be someone else or like that, you should have the right to choose that for yourself.
	I feel like we always do things to like appease to the other group we want to be attracted to.
	Like we wear makeup, not like we, when girls are like, I wear makeup, right?
	Because I'll wear makeup.
	I really do like.
	Yes, think about it.
	Do you think your beauty standard is informed because of like your personal feelings, or do you think your beauty standard is informed by like what both like men and women say is attractive in women?
	Well, honestly, it is the way I was raised.
	My mom wears makeup in-house.
	And also, she's just like, you want to wear it.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	I do have to move on.
	I do have to move on.
	If you guys want, you can get the final chat in.
	We are going to go through the chats and then we're going to wrap the show.
	Jeremy Human.
	Wait, did I already read this?
	I already read this.
	He's submitted a lot.
	Do you want me to milk him some more for you?
	Maybe I should rephrase this so the girl with the black hair can understand.
	Think in head, not same as do.
	He's like speaking.
	Bad think, not make bad person.
	Brain make many think, not all real.
	Think and do different.
	That's even more confusing.
	Thinking gay thought isn't bad.
	Being gay, not bad.
	All right, there you have it.
	We have loose pussy energy.
	Just catching up.
	I'm a dude.
	He's a dude.
	She's a dude.
	We're all dudes.
	Of course, you are.
	Yep, that.
	If you S the D's, L for the whole colorful lady boy panel, Abdul, you know what to do.
	Get the rocks.
	Abdul?
	Yeah, get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	We have insert name here.
	I'm lost.
	I like the red one.
	Can we get a little.
	Lord, have mercy.
	We must stay focused, brothers.
	We must.
	It's still November.
	No, not November.
	Last day, Mike.
	Actually, I don't even think it is.
	Isn't it like midnight?
	No, it's December 1st.
	You cannot.
	We made it.
	We fucking made it.
	You guys can go now.
	No, shit.
	All right, hold on.
	I got, yo, I love you, Aerudite.
	Huge fan.
	You actually brought me here, but your argument is incoherent and your conclusions about men tonight are asinine.
	If the genitals weren't part of the question, it would be closer to valid.
	I'm about 90% sure that that person doesn't love me, isn't a fan, maybe a Jeremy Alt.
	So, again, just because you keep saying the argument is incoherent, it doesn't make that so.
	You have to supply evidence as to why it's incoherent.
	We all are engaging in terrible argumentation.
	Good job.
	All right, we have the real Mr. Meatball.
	Dude, I haven't seen you in a while, man.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you, man.
	Really appreciate your support.
	I know it sounds really good right now, but only trashy folks like these get plastic surgery done.
	Who has plastic surgery here?
	If you include Botox, then most people are getting men have Botox.
	Like, so many men.
	I just got my lashes.
	Oh, if your boyfriend wants you to push you to get plastic surgery, red flag.
	Dump him.
	Period.
	Red flag.
	Dump him.
	Red flag.
	Tell him to get plastic surgery.
	No, literally.
	Tell him to get a dasectomy.
	Tell him to get a dick enlargement.
	Please.
	And if your boyfriend is shaming you for your large labia, that's fucked up too.
	Yeah, maybe you should call Brian.
	Call Brian.
	Yeah.
	DMs are not.
	You would never shame me for that.
	I'll talk you out of the labia.
	Okay.
	I'm just double checking.
	Oh, Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Thank you, everybody, for A-B-Check.
	Thank you for the 25 community sub gifts.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Thank you, everybody else who has followed on Twitch.
	Oh, yeah, follow me on Instagram.
	Brian with the beard.
	BD underscore Atlas.
	Yeah, check it out.
	Okay, thank you guys.
	And I think we're all caught up on every single thing.
	Yay.
	Everything, everything.
	Hold up.
	Let me just double-check, make sure I'm not missing anybody.
	Oh, last thing.
	And do you guys think men only want one thing?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	All right.
	Good job.
	Yes, to be loved.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	I think they want food.
	I think men want unconditional love because they feel like only women experience it.
	Oh.
	They get a lot of things to get from their mama.
	That's true.
	Trunguring.
	Yeah.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
	If there's anything.
	What was the video?
	Oh, no, we don't know.
	Sounds like an hour long.
	It is an hour long video.
	Yeah.
	Come back in.
	Okay, guys.
	So, last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight, guys.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you are here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Thank you guys very much for your patronage.
	You know, a lot of our videos end up getting demonetized or age-restricted because we're talking about some of these, you know, a little more risque topics.
	And Andrew's five minutes into the show is dropping.
	Okay, never mind.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	Thank you to Grid One Motorsports, Raven DT, Cam H, Seaberg, LP, Modest Yakama, all you guys, Jay Butler.
	Thank you guys.
	Really appreciate it.
	By the way, I didn't mean I wasn't trying to like.
	No, Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	Thank you guys so much.
	This was, I think, one of our definitely fun, fun show.
	You guys were great.
	So thank you.
	Check out, I know you have a YouTube channel.
	So do my OnlyFans.
	I have a Twitch.
	Please.
	Twitch.
	Andrew's Andrew Wilson's The Crucible.
	The link for everybody's Instagrams.
	Just for the clip.
	Yeah.
	Can you throw Pixie out?
	No.
	Physically off the railing table.
	Wait, why?
	Yeah, you got to do it.
	No, you have to kick a man off.
	That would make you the true liberal feminist like.
	No, that would make him the Alpha Chrad because he's the only one.
	Yeah, I can't.
	I think I could kick a man left with his hair.
	You can throw me out.
	I don't want to do like a stage.
	Yeah, you're a bad guy.
	I don't want to do a stage.
	You've been so bad at hot evening.
	No, I don't want to do it.
	But I mean, unless somebody says some outlandish shit right now, so it's not stage.
	I got nothing.
	So check out Andrew Wilson's channel.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	Any women who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
	We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Thank you guys for tuning in to our Thursday show.
	We normally don't do Thursday shows, but did one today.
	So I'm trying to think of: is there any, I feel like we're forgetting something.
	Is there anything we're forgetting?
	Michael Knowles ran away from debating.
	No, no, no.
	But tell you what, we are going to reschedule that.
	And Kyla, I'd love to have you on.
	If any of you would like to be on for that, we'll try to have that arranged if you guys would like to come back.
	So you, I think all of you with Andrew would, or Andrew, sorry.
	Michael would be fantastic show.
	Fantastic show.
	Okay, guys.
	07's in the chat.
	I feel like I'm really forgetting.
	Oh, body count?
	Okay.
	What's everybody?
	Wait, last minute?
	Just keep going.
	Quick, Nala.
	What's your body count?
	I have no idea.
	You don't know?
	No.
	I've never counted.
	People aren't like objects to me.
	One.
	No.
	Four.
	I don't know.
	You don't know.
	Because it's.
	Because it's high.
	Do you want to give us a range?
	Like a.
	Like if you gave us a range, what do you think?
	Probably like above 40.
	Probably about 45.
	45?
	Yeah.
	50, maybe?
	Yeah, it's probably about 50.
	Probably more than 50.
	55?
	But it's definitely under 70.
	Maybe 60?
	Maybe 60.
	Maybe 60.
	And like, it's fucked up how many of those were condensed into like the same like four months of my life when I was 19.
	Oh, so yeah.
	45 to 70.
	I think it really should actually reset every year.
	It's a range.
	I think if it reset every year, then it'd be lower.
	And wait, so you said it's, let's say it's 50 to 60, right?
	You said it was condensed into what range?
	Like most of them were like in the same like three months.
	Because I grew up really like, my mom was really Catholic from the Philippines, so I couldn't go out at all in high school.
	And so when I got out the house, I just started doing everything ever.
	I think I did most drugs during those same few months.
	I did a lot of things during those few months.
	So if anything, those bodies should be forgiven.
	They are.
	They are.
	There's so much.
	Wait.
	God forgives.
	Wait, hold on.
	I had another shit out of the question.
	Fuck.
	God does forgive.
	Was there in a 24-hour period?
	Was there, what was I want to answer this honestly, but I think it would be funny.
	24-hour period most.
	YOLO.
	Fuck it.
	Probably like three, four.
	Oh, wow.
	Was it like all at once?
	Okay, there was one time it was a train of three, and then there was one time it was like three separate.
	Wow.
	But like the 24 is because like, yeah.
	I hope it was good.
	It took some math.
	You were up all night.
	The reason it was three was because it wasn't good.
	Like, because it made me mad that like it wasn't good the first one.
	And so I had to go again and the second one was so bad.
	And then the third time was valid.
	So honestly, I'm glad of it though.
	Oh, so you're chasing your nut.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like these.
	Exactly.
	The men have the guaranteed nut.
	Why can't I get my nut?
	I know.
	I've just learned to get more vocal.
	Like you tell men.
	I'm not supporting sex.
	It's for them to have.
	Yeah.
	It's so fun too when you get more vocal.
	Like in the middle, hey, I'm dry right now.
	And is this fun for you?
	I think we should stop.
	They'd be like, the fuck?
	People are telling me that I missed a super chat.
	Did I read the one from Spyro Floropolis?
	Cute for Andrew.
	That name was.
	Which but it's not showing up.
	I'm sorry, Spyro.
	I'm not able to actually pull it up, but I can go ahead and read it.
	I'm wondering, Nick is.
	No, I don't think you're going to be able to find it.
	Cute for Andrew, which of the women on the panel would need the services of Sexton, Wilson, and Associates if each of them got married?
	Or wait, I did read this one.
	According to Andrew, all of us.
	Wait, also, everyone, close your eyes.
	Let NSC talk for five seconds.
	One's in the chat if you hear Feminine Destiny.
	Oh, Moran.
	Wait, did I?
	Hey, Spyro, I'm very sorry.
	It's not showing up in our stream yard, so I'm not able to.
	It's a conspiracy against you, Spyro.
	That's what's going on.
	Indeed.
	Indeed.
	Someone hates you, personally.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	07s in the chat.
	I still feel like, what are we forgetting?
	Are we forgetting?
	Oh, body count.
	We didn't.
	Sorry, sorry.
	We didn't jump.
	You keep forgetting.
	Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	Do you know what?
	Do you want to give range or no?
	No.
	Okay.
	Alexa?
	I can count on one hand.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Good talk.
	Andrew.
	What's your body count?
	I mean, I don't know.
	I've never thought about it.
	Oh, how high?
	Did Andrew Wilson have a hoe face?
	Damn!
	I know!
	You count it on one hand?
	He has no virtue.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Or do you need two hands before it's completely small?
	Or would you need your hands before his company?
	You don't want the smoke.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	You don't have to.
	One or two hands.
	Responding to any of this.
	But just that one or two hands.
	So is it a little bit more?
	Do you have a degenerate face?
	You know, I think he had a degenerate face.
	Do you have a degenerate face?
	Because his wife's watching.
	James is.
	Then why could you count on one hand?
	That's not degenerate if you can't count on one hand.
	Well, it wasn't like 145 or whatever you said.
	I don't know if it's 140.
	Is it 5, 10?
	Doesn't God forgive?
	I said most of them were like when I was 19.
	Thank God God forgives.
	He had a hoe face.
	God forgave him.
	converted we're good okay yeah All right, guys.
	Good times.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	07's in the chat.
	We'll see you Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Good night, guys.

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