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HEATED Debate With Man Hating Feminist?! IG Model KICKED OUT! | Dating Talk #122

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and also where you're from.
	Go ahead.
	Hello, YouTube chat.
	My name is Mira, and I live stream on Twitch.
	Okay.
	Where are you from?
	That information is classified.
	What do you mean, classified?
	Where do you live?
	He means.
	Oh, I live in Sherman Oaks, California.
	If you guys want to stop by.
	No, I mean, it could also be like, you know, where you've no, not ethnically, just like where are you from?
	What?
	But, huh?
	What are the other two?
	Like, where you currently live or where you originally lived?
	Like, if you, like, you know, she could have just moved to Sherman Oaks three months ago, so I wouldn't, if she lived previously in New York, for example, for 20 years of her life, I wouldn't say she's from Sherman Oaks.
	I'm from Sherman Oaks, California.
	Well, I detect an accent, so are you from somewhere else?
	What kind of accent do you detect in Brian?
	What do you mean?
	I think a vague European accent.
	Okay.
	Which part of Europe?
	You want to just, I don't want to play a guessing game, but if you want to just say it, go ahead.
	I don't.
	What do you mean?
	Haven't you disclosed this already online?
	No.
	You've never disclosed your European origin?
	No, everyone's guessing.
	Everybody's guessing?
	Come on.
	Like, you've obviously disclosed.
	It's going to be a big reveal, just like my age.
	So you are going to reveal it?
	At some point, yes.
	During the show?
	No.
	Wait, what?
	In her career.
	Oh, my God.
	This girl's annoying.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Haley Hermes.
	I'm 28.
	I'm a plus size model, content creator, and entrepreneur, and I'm from LA.
	Okay.
	Thank you for disclosing your age and where you're from.
	Appreciate it.
	What about you?
	My name is Farha Khalidi.
	I'm 24.
	I live in Miami, and I'm a content creator.
	All right, welcome back.
	What about you?
	My name is Yamani.
	I'm 27.
	I live in LA.
	I do bottle service.
	I make clothes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you do any content creation at all?
	I do.
	I do content creation as well.
	What kind?
	I have an OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	My name is Linnia.
	I'm 25 years old and I do OnlyFans.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	Welcome.
	And where are you from?
	Oh, Delaware.
	Delaware.
	Okay, there you have it, folks.
	She's from Delaware.
	What about you?
	My name is Macy.
	I am 27.
	Can you turn your leg down just a task?
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	27.
	I'm 27 and I'm from Mobile, Alabama.
	And what do you do for work?
	I'm an insurance adjuster.
	Not as glamorous as all these other girls, but I do pay the bills the same way.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And Andrew, what about you?
	My name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible, fastest growing debate channel anywhere online.
	For work, I'm a mechanical engineer and content creator.
	He's a content creator for motorcycle exhausts, folks.
	Was there more?
	No.
	No, that was.
	I was going to say that the only one of these girls that came in here, correct, was the one sitting next to me because she brought cookies.
	Oh, yeah, she brought cookies.
	She was bringing cookies.
	And they were like awesome-looking cookies.
	Yeah, that was super cool.
	I was pretty impressed with that.
	Thank you very much.
	The rest of you should all feel shame.
	Deep shame for having not far.
	I'm looking at you.
	I was expecting some sort of.
	We wanted the Kaleiti cookies and you didn't bring them.
	Yeah, I'm very disappointed.
	Yeah.
	Deeply.
	We can go get them after.
	I think most shops are closed, unfortunately.
	Okay, okay, all right.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	So what is your current relationship status?
	Are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cold harem?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	That's a lot of questions.
	Can we do one at a time?
	Sure.
	So, okay, current relationship status.
	I am currently single.
	Okay, how long have you been single?
	I have been single for four years.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Eight years.
	Eight years.
	Okay.
	Oh, whoops.
	I would say I'm currently in my fuckboy stage because most of my life I was in relationships.
	You're currently in your fuckboy stage.
	Is it sexist?
	Should I say fuck girl?
	Well, you know, that's interesting.
	I've thought of that before, and me personally, I don't have an issue with it.
	But there is a cohort of women that seems to object to the term slut.
	And it would occur to me that fuckboy is the counterpart to the word slut.
	I'd prefer if you said bang made.
	Bang made.
	I feel like bang made is better.
	I feel like that doesn't denote what a fuckboy is, though.
	A bang mate is not going to have the same like.
	Yeah, but you can still be a fuckboy and not be fucking.
	True.
	So, and I feel like, I guess you could be a slut and not be slutting.
	That is true.
	I also feel like slut has a lot of negative connotation as opposed to fuckboy.
	Fuckboy is not a positive.
	Women typically use that in a derogatory sense.
	How does derogatory slut?
	Yeah, I feel like.
	Perhaps not to the same degree, but I don't think it's like, if a girl calls a guy a fuckboy, I don't think there's any like, oh, this is an upstanding thing.
	It's not to be nice.
	But how do men feel about that term?
	Isn't that something that you derive pride from?
	Because you sleep with a lot of women.
	if you're proud of sleeping with a lot of women i'm just asking yeah you mean from a man's point of view yeah so i mean from a what As you may know, all men are different, and some have different virtues than other men.
	So not all of them.
	Don't say fuckboy is more of like an offensive term.
	Well, I would say that it's not used in a way towards men in order to be nice.
	It doesn't seem like a nice thing for girls.
	I don't think it's mean.
	I think they're saying like this guy isn't seeking a relationship, but I think a girl is still willing to date a fuckboy if he converts, but I don't think a guy is going to date a slut if he deems her a slut.
	Oh, they do it frequently.
	All the time.
	I feel like guys love sluts.
	It's ill-advised.
	It's ill-advised.
	I don't think those are the guys who are calling girls sluts, is my point.
	Wait, which ones are not calling women sluts?
	The ones who are willing to date, the quote-unquote sluts.
	I don't think they're sluts.
	No, I think they do.
	They might.
	You think they're just like, this girl's such a slut.
	Oh, yeah, come on.
	It's like, they go like, they're like, I banged the slut last night.
	Come on.
	They do.
	They banged.
	I said dating.
	I think a girl would date a fuckboy if he got his shit together and became a material.
	I've heard the term reform.
	They're saying fuckboy as in, like, he doesn't want a relationship, but guys don't want relationships with the sluts, is my point.
	But girls would date them.
	No, they get in relationships with them quite frequently.
	People get in the relationships, and it's just like they know it's not going anywhere serious.
	I men, they act like they don't, but they love whores.
	Like, they wipe up strippers, they wipe up, like, they wipe up girls who do porn.
	I know a lot of girls who do content creation that are all in like super happy relationships.
	I don't know.
	I think it's like you don't want to tell your friends that your girl's a slut, but deep down, like everyone likes.
	Not everyone, but or you get like a cool, you get like a fun wife that, or like a chill wife that doesn't really do much, but you got a little slut on the side.
	I think the opposite's true, and that most men probably don't want to have a chick who's been with a lot of men.
	I said they like sluts.
	If they don't want to date them, whatever, but guys definitely, they'd be wiping them up.
	I see it.
	And I know slutty girls that like don't do sex stuff, but like you would look at them and be like, she's slutty.
	Yeah, look, I think a lot of guys would cuff an Instagram model, even though they would objectively say, like, she's a bit slutty.
	In high school, one of my friends was like deemed like the biggest slut, was bullied so bad she had to drop out of high school.
	And meanwhile, she was like the biggest virgin of everyone in the grade.
	So it was interesting.
	Okay, so geez.
	I know what's going on out there.
	They're probably coming here.
	Yeah.
	So here's the delineation.
	If a chick has sex with a lot of men, she's a slut, right?
	But if she just dresses provocatively, we have a name for them too.
	We call them skanks.
	So there's a distinction, right?
	I've never heard someone unlike say skank.
	So like skanks.
	Yeah, well, I mean the younger generation needs to learn the word.
	It needs to come back.
	Fair.
	Yeah.
	Love it.
	Kind of 80s.
	Well, so okay, going back to you, you can leave it a little closed, Nick.
	It's going to get chilly.
	Just, Nick, come on.
	So you've been single for four years.
	Longest relationship was eight years.
	When did your eight-year relationship?
	Like, how old were you when you had this eight-year relationship?
	Are you trying to figure out my age, Brian?
	You don't need to be obtuse.
	Like, come on.
	People here.
	Okay.
	If I were to Google your name, would there be disclosures about your age?
	You can try.
	Mira.
	I don't even know your last name.
	Mira Age.
	I don't know.
	Mira Twitch Age.
	1990.
	FamousBirthdays.com.
	That's a good source.
	That's reliable.
	I mean, no, I don't.
	It might not be accurate, but um.
	I was 16 when I first started that relationship.
	That was my first year in college.
	We're just going to say that you're 33.
	How's that sound?
	Whatever works for you, both of you.
	Okay, I'm writing down 33.
	If you'd like to correct to the record, feel free.
	Okay, so you said you were 16 when you started that, so you from 16 to 20, geez, I can't do math right now.
	16 to what, 23, 24, about, would you say?
	Sorry, that was a cool animation.
	Yeah, somewhere in there.
	Okay.
	Okay, fine.
	You want to be obtuse about the whole age thing.
	You said you're currently in your fuckboy phase.
	What does that look like?
	What do you mean when you say that?
	I think there's so much in the world that I have not experienced yet because I was quite closed-minded.
	That's how I was raised in quite conservative ways, at least like sexually, that now I'm just doing whatever feels right.
	Even though there's still a little bit of a stigma because I was raised in that conservative way.
	What feels right?
	I'm trying to listen more to my body and like what feels good, what is interesting, what's fun, and just go along with that.
	Which is what?
	Like, whatever I feel in the moment.
	You said whatever feels right in your body.
	What does that mean?
	You want me to describe how a woman gets aroused, Brian?
	No, that's not what I'm asking, but like, how does that practically manifest itself when it comes to dating?
	Are you dating multiple people?
	Are you seeing multiple people?
	What are we talking about here?
	Because you said fuckboy.
	I think I was a little too harsh with that word.
	But basically, I am meeting as many people as I can right now and trying to get to know them to see if there's connection, whether it's physical, mental, any type of attraction, like opportunity for growth.
	Because I notice a lot of times people will get attracted if you have something they're lacking or they have something you're lacking and you kind of like fill in those holes, you know, and you're just like growing together to a better self.
	So that's what's very stimulating to me.
	Okay.
	So you complete each other, sort of, like a puzzle piece.
	Like if, for example, a guy is broke, since you're a very successful content creator, you would be prepared to, you know, provide financially because he's lacking in that department.
	I'm a little bit donated $100.
	Can you ask Andrew if he's been in the military before?
	Last time he made some comments about WMs that I thought were pretty uncool if he's never served.
	And if he says F4 saw CG, that's a no.
	That did not mean to trigger that the alert should be higher, but I'll fix it.
	Go ahead, Andrew, if you want to.
	Yeah, so everything I said about WMs is correct.
	I was in the Army for a short amount of time.
	Not for very long.
	I had a medical discharge.
	Gotcha.
	Just a point.
	Sorry, guys.
	There was an error there.
	Just to be clear, TTS trigger is $200 and up, but that was our fault.
	Just want to make it clear to everybody.
	Go ahead.
	Those are high prices.
	Go ahead.
	You seem upset.
	No, I'm just surprised because on Twitch, usually it's like $3 or $5.
	It's like, whoa, YouTube is stepping it up.
	Is it normal for YouTube?
	Maybe I should move to YouTube.
	So question was, would I provide for a male if he was not doing as well as me financially?
	Did I get the question right?
	Sure.
	I think that's what I have been doing so far.
	And I would say I'm tired of that.
	I would prefer somebody who's on my level or higher just for a variety of purposes.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, and so okay, you said you were in an eight-year relationship.
	When did that end?
	How long ago did that eight-year relationship end?
	I don't remember.
	I think you're bad in math.
	You've been single for four years.
	So, for that four-year period, have you been in the fuckboys stage?
	I was trying.
	Yeah, it's still a little hard.
	Like, imagine you're being raised traditionally.
	You still have, like, so many limits in your mind.
	Limits?
	Yeah, like you think about it.
	Beneficial values and mindsets.
	Artificial, what do you mean by that?
	Well, you said you were raised traditionally, and you said that that's limiting.
	Yes.
	But I'm asking, could it perhaps be a beneficial instead of a limiting thing?
	I don't know.
	I'm not too sure.
	One thing I figure out is that life is really short and we should enjoy it.
	Translation sleep with a bunch of men?
	I think if I were to tell you my number, you will not believe it.
	Like, it doesn't come to the number, it comes down to how much you enjoy what you do.
	Because sometimes I notice women sleep with men, they're not even enjoying it.
	That's true.
	Why do that?
	I wonder the same thing.
	You don't know until you find out, right?
	Actually, that's a good point, too.
	Without trying, how would you know?
	I mean, the context would matter in that situation.
	Like, if it's a one-night stand, you're both at a bar, drunk.
	I would say, like, most men in that context would probably not be particularly preoccupied with your you reaching climax or couldn't you say that about anything?
	Like, if you don't try it, how do you know?
	Like, fentanyl.
	I don't do fentanyl.
	Well, why would you know you don't like it if you haven't tried it, right?
	Doesn't that seem like slightly insane to say?
	Okay, I think it comes down to context and like what's leading to it.
	I think there's also pressure as to why sometimes women engage in sex.
	Because there's so many reasons as to why they should.
	Well, there's a materialistic side, there's a side where you feel like it will make a guy feel bad.
	Like, at times, I would question myself: like, should I do it just as a pity sex?
	Because they really, really want it, and I feel bad for them.
	But then it's really, that's not a good reason to do that.
	You've got to listen to your body.
	Pity sex is ill-advised.
	Also, I feel like one-night stands are not as enjoyable, generally speaking, because without connection.
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	That's something I found out by myself, too.
	I was just trying.
	This is like a good example when you try just to see what it's like.
	That is a terrible advice.
	Why?
	Yeah, I probably wouldn't do that.
	Why sleeping with someone to see if you like it?
	Yeah, why is that terrible advice?
	I don't think that I need to.
	How has she been damaged by trying that?
	Are you mentally damaged or physically damaged from testing it out?
	I think I have learned the lessons.
	Like, I'm not going to do that again.
	It was one of the things.
	That's damaged.
	Her saying I'm not going to do that again.
	Well, I think that random, promiscuous sex with people, just to try it out, seems like it could lead to a lot of damage.
	You have to do that again how frequently you can do it.
	Just to try it out.
	She's had a one-night stand.
	No one's done it before.
	Like, you have to try it once to know that.
	But I mean, she seems fine.
	You have to do it.
	I'm not saying she feels like it, but maybe she die from it.
	She would have been truly curious otherwise.
	Now she knows.
	No.
	Well, what should she look like?
	Like, if there was a scar, if there was a mental scar, what should she look like?
	Should she come in and go, boop, boom, boom?
	She should be jaded.
	She could be a femme.
	She could swear off men.
	She could maybe not give us any of the details that we've been asking for.
	And then he has to pry each and every individual one out.
	She can kind of be a smart ass, totally vague.
	Maybe all of those are mental scars due to the fact that she's been hyperspace.
	She doesn't want to pony up.
	Or maybe not.
	We don't know.
	And she has to take some time.
	She does seem to be.
	I didn't ask for ethnicity.
	I guess you did.
	She said Sherman Oaks, and you said I'm detecting an accent.
	That could be nationality.
	You said maybe she lived somewhere prior to Sherman Oaks.
	Maybe she was like in New York for 20 years.
	How'd she get a European accent from living?
	Okay, why is that important in the fact that she has one night stay at all?
	I was using New York as an example.
	I'm not saying that she's, I detected a New York accent.
	You just seem more upset about that.
	It's kind of irrelevant.
	What do you mean upset you brought it up?
	I was really saying.
	All right.
	So, okay.
	You said right now you're just trying things out.
	So, and you said you're, you said, you said you're trying to meet as many people as possible, correct?
	So, like, what does that look like?
	Five dates a week?
	Honestly, sometimes I go on two or three a day.
	Two or three a day?
	I wish we still had speed dating going on.
	I think that would be interesting.
	You know, when you sit like in front of the other person for like five minutes, if you're not really enjoying it, then you switch to the next seat and there's another person.
	Oh, like speed dating?
	Yes, like an event.
	They still have those, I reckon.
	Where?
	Can you give me a link to that?
	What's that?
	I'm actually, I would be interested to do that.
	You'd be interested to do speed dating?
	Yes.
	Why is that not read?
	There's a $100 donation.
	We read it at intervals throughout the show.
	We don't read it immediately.
	Okay.
	Don't worry.
	Okay, we got.
	You know what?
	Maybe we'll hire you as a producer.
	You can come on as a consultant.
	You can give us some recommendations.
	Okay, so, for example, how many in the past two weeks, how many dates have you been on?
	Past two weeks, probably 20.
	20 dates?
	Okay.
	Around that.
	Date means with different people.
	Or the same person.
	Can we define a date?
	How about with different people?
	Yeah, but to clarify, because I feel like, for example, if you were to just have a guy over to your house or a guy, you went to a guy's house, he went to yours.
	Did I just, is that redundant?
	Did I just say the same thing?
	Am I having a stroke?
	Okay.
	Let's just say you spent time with somebody and you had a romantic interest in them.
	We'll count that as a date.
	Because some people only consider a date if we went out to a public venue, such as we went to get dinner.
	I'm going to be honest, I didn't feel any romantic interest towards any of them because it's hard for me to feel that before meeting them and really just to clear it.
	You can tell us what you think a date is.
	What's a date?
	You might not have had romantic interest, but the context with which you were meeting, it wasn't like a business meeting.
	It wasn't just friends hanging out.
	It was a guy, maybe he was interested in you asking you out, and you were going to meet him to see if there was a potential whatever.
	Yes, I think from their side, most of it is exactly as you're describing.
	From my side, it's a 50-50.
	It could be something that results in romance and sex.
	It could be something that goes just into friendship and networking.
	I don't know until I meet the person.
	Okay.
	So how frequently are you going on these dates?
	We'll just call them dates.
	Every day?
	Not today because I made it to the show.
	Sure, yeah, you came to the show.
	So, but 20 dates in the past two weeks?
	Wait, what?
	What are you?
	I get the distinct feeling that you're totally full of shit about basically everything that you're saying.
	You go on dates every single day.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And so what's the context behind that?
	You say, like, I have to meet a person and then I go on a date with the person that I meet, right?
	So how are you setting up these blind dates?
	Probably dating apps, right?
	A lot of people message me on Instagram.
	Okay.
	So I just go off that.
	I look at their profile.
	I see if there's anything interesting in terms of their looks, personality, anything I can connect with the person.
	And then I just pick one of those because they usually want to meet.
	In the current dating climate, Andrew, with like dating apps, social media, it's super easy.
	Granted, she's an attractive woman.
	I mean, I would argue even an average-looking woman, if she was so inclined, could have a date every single day of the week if she wanted to.
	You're going on dates every day?
	Yes.
	Would you like to go on a date with me?
	Nope.
	But you do go on dates every single day?
	Really?
	Yes.
	What makes you not believe that?
	I don't know.
	It seems because so I'm really trained very well in spotting when people are full of shit and are liars.
	From the military?
	No, not from the military, but from years of doing very high-level skilled debates, right?
	Okay.
	Because you're so evasive at almost every point about what you're being asked, I feel like almost nothing that you're telling us is accurate or true.
	And it's, I don't know what the kind of gig is yet, but we'll see as we go through.
	I think you're generalizing too much.
	Yeah, we'll see.
	No, I've been with her the past week.
	She goes on a lot of dates.
	What's the point of me lying?
	think it makes me look if any anything bad i was judged what's the point of being evasive Well, about my age, because I plan to have like a big release about it later on and obviously benefit from it.
	I've never heard a content creator.
	Age reveal, like face reveals I've heard about, but like accent reveal party.
	It's going to be new.
	It's going to be big accent reveal party, age reveal party.
	I don't know.
	Modest Hikima donated $200.
	Brixon, I see you have reverted to the mental ill again.
	Speed dating is still going on.
	You just aren't a part of it brain dead.
	304.
	Andrew, welcome back.
	Keep representing.
	Why are you still in the U.S.?
	I think this is directed towards you, Myra.
	Mira.
	Oh, okay.
	Excuse me.
	Mira.
	I'll probably fuck it up again, so feel free to correct me.
	It's okay, Brian.
	Terrible memory.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Do you want to answer?
	Why are you still in the U.S.?
	Oh, I thought he was asking Andrew why he's still in the U.S. Why am I still in the U.S.?
	Well, that's because it's getting cold and being in Europe right now is not the best time.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Very simple.
	All right.
	So, okay, you're going 20 dates a week.
	In the past two weeks, you've gone on 20 dates.
	Sometimes you're going on.
	What's the most amount of dates you've gone on in one day?
	Probably three.
	Although I do not like the word date, because like I said, for me, it could be anything like friendship coming out of it, some type of business opportunity.
	I feel like the date always means that it has to be something romantic or sexual coming out of it.
	No, nothing.
	And then you're just hanging out, right?
	Dating is for, I feel like dating is for romance, so if you're not dating to connect romantically, then you're just hanging out.
	It feels like kind of avoiding the spirit of the question, right?
	So he's not asking for like business engagements and things like that, but rather.
	Oh, well, it's not clear to me if these are necessarily going into them business meetings or meeting with friends.
	What she is saying is that she's meeting men who they've shown a romantic interest in her, but I feel like it's she's saying that she will not consider it a date if it doesn't, if she doesn't have a mutual interest in them, but that is not what would constitute a date because you can go on a date as a woman and by the end of the date determine you have no romantic interest in the person.
	That doesn't mean you still went on the date.
	That's why it doesn't make any sense.
	I yeah, so okay, we don't really need to address the well we'll just assume that these are dates that you're going on.
	But okay, so in the past in 2023, how many dates have you been on, do you think?
	Well, this is my recent fuckboy stage.
	Oh, it's recent.
	Okay.
	I started like maybe two months ago.
	Two months ago.
	Okay.
	Before then, I was just streaming at home, Kate.
	I see.
	Okay.
	So let's dig into the fuckboy two-month thing.
	What's going on?
	Excuse me, let me be more specific.
	How many dates have you gone on in the past two months?
	Probably about 100.
	Okay.
	100.
	Any prospects or not so much?
	Me.
	Meh?
	I have to admit, sorry, it's your helmet collection.
	It just had, it's very fascinating.
	So I have to admit that LA scenery is not really my kappa.
	It's not really my cup of tea.
	What's not your cup of tea?
	What I noticed in terms of men in LA, it's not quite something I'm interested in so far, just generally speaking.
	So they're either really, if I had to categorize it, I feel like they're either really successful men that are not very attractive physically, or the ones that are not successful, they're just trying to make it.
	They're fairly attractive, I suppose, physically.
	But there's just not enough there.
	They're just kind of trying, trying too hard sometimes or try to appear somebody they're not, which is understandable.
	They're just trying to make it.
	Wait, what is not your cup of tea?
	I just missed the, I didn't hear men in London.
	Oh, men in LA.
	Okay, I see.
	Okay, so past two months, fuckboy, phase, 100 dates.
	Has there ever been of the 100, these are all like first dates, to be clear, correct?
	Pretty much.
	Like 100 dates with 100 men.
	Different men.
	Different men.
	Yes.
	I feel like I'm in a therapy session.
	Have you been on any second dates at all or no?
	I have.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Have any of these in the past two months turned into like a situationship or a talking stage?
	Can you define situationship?
	Well, I mean, I don't think it's necessary, but English is my second language.
	Mine too.
	Oh, yours is.
	Yeah, I'll disclose I was born in France.
	So French language is your first language?
	Yes, French is my first language.
	I speak it about as well as a kangaroo, though.
	So let's see.
	Did any of these go past a second or third date?
	They have, but like I said, because of how I was raised, I'm still taking it slow.
	Taking it slow.
	Okay.
	Like, I don't want to rush anything.
	I don't want to do any first encounter or like pity sex anymore.
	I just want to.
	I'm not anymore.
	Yeah, I've done it.
	I've done it.
	I've done pity sex.
	I've done that once.
	Lucky guy.
	Good for him.
	Why do men do that?
	Do what?
	Were you like guilted?
	That's kind of weird on the guy's part, not gonna lie.
	Just take the L.
	I just feel bad for them.
	You know, they try and they're like little puppies and then just look at you like, just like they're trying and they're very kind to you and attentive and you're like, fine.
	That's like the alternative of female manipulation where they do the exact same type of thing.
	I was gonna say, like, so you just like a fuckboy.
	It kind of, I don't know.
	That sounds like a good guy to me.
	But maybe she just doesn't like him.
	Well, some guys, well, I feel like some girls are just naturally like, you know, like the bad boy like thing going on.
	You know what I mean?
	Is that the vibe that you get from me?
	No, well, no, just off of what you just said.
	I don't know.
	It's like, it doesn't seem like a, you know, a more shy guy.
	Like, it seems like you like a guy who's like, take charge and like more like, you know, I don't know.
	That's actually a good point.
	But then again, you still need to like him.
	Imagine a guy takes too much charge, as you said it, and you're not really into him.
	This is where she's going to be.
	Well, of course you need to be interested and attracted to the guy.
	But when it comes to the pity sex thing really quick, it's not clear to me if the most attractive thing a woman can say before sex is, I guess we can fuck.
	Like, that's not, that's not a turn on for me anyways, but whatever.
	Well, I think I also was trying to sort of get over the last person that I was somewhat seeing before those two months started, even though it wasn't officially a relationship, but I was seeing him for a little while.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, maybe we can come back to some of that stuff, but out of curiosity, if you're open with sharing, of the 100 first dates that you went on, how many of them did you get intimate with?
	Did you?
	Are we talking about sex?
	Yes.
	P in the V, sexual intercourse.
	P in the V. P, P in the V, sexual intercourse.
	P in and what V. P in what V?
	I'm not familiar with P in the V. Did you see the P word on here?
	P in the V?
	P. P, in, in, the V. What's the V?
	Vagina?
	Why would you pee in a vagina?
	No.
	Penis.
	Some girls are into that.
	You know, P in the V. Okay, so out of all of those, it was just one, and it was the pity sex, and I will never do that.
	It was the pity sex.
	The one guy.
	And even then, you didn't really.
	Okay, all right.
	I mean, I kind of got to put some respect on that because, like, that's a good ratio.
	100 guys, you turn all 100 down except for one, and even the one, it was kind of like...
	But that's not for me.
	Like, I don't pride myself on having little sex.
	I would prefer to have more, but I feel like it's hard for me to be attracted to men these days.
	Physically attracted or in other ways.
	You have to be attracted on both levels.
	Like, physical is not enough.
	It has to be mental and physical.
	So you're sapiosexual, maybe.
	I like how that sounds.
	I also believe that liberalism is killing testosterone in men these days.
	I would prefer that the man is more assertive.
	Not like caveman way, not like he's going to put me over his shoulder and take me home.
	But that is what she wants, though.
	That is what you want.
	But at the same time, you want to make sure that the woman is attracted to you.
	Have you ever had a wall slam?
	Could you define that for me, Brian?
	A wall slam.
	Somebody slam me across the wall.
	No, like, let's say you're making out with a guy and he grabs you by your hair and, like, he's not, like, abusing you, but, like, push it, like, okay.
	You're talking about rough sex.
	No, no, no, not even like if you're just making out.
	I mean, it could be within sex, but like a wall slam.
	I feel like they're something.
	Okay, yeah.
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Something like that, but I always felt like it was fake.
	I always felt like I'm still the dominant one.
	And I don't want to kill that with all of you.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what the dominant men in the bedroom.
	I don't.
	You don't, but you said you're the dominant one.
	I feel like I'm still.
	But like the leader, not necessarily sexually, but like psychologically.
	Like I know what's going to happen.
	I know where this is going to go.
	I basically have, I don't want to say an upper hand, it almost feels like it's a game, but yeah, I don't feel like a man has more than me overall.
	Doesn't make sense.
	I mean, you're an attractive woman, you're successful.
	I wonder if perhaps that plays a part of it, but I would say generally speaking, though, women typically do have the upper hand in courtship because the men are pursuing you.
	So that's a position of power, I would say.
	But I still feel like on many levels, you as a woman should feel like you can learn from a man.
	Otherwise, where's the attraction?
	If you feel like you're stronger, smarter, better looking, like anything in terms of qualities that generally society values, that you have more combined than the man, what is the point of being with the men?
	Otherwise, I'm going to eat them for breakfast.
	Okay.
	Have you never moved to the next one?
	Here, I want to just get around the table on everybody, but maybe we can come back to some of that.
	So, wait.
	Nick, is the audio muted?
	No.
	Oh, hold on.
	Sorry, some TTS or some messages.
	Thank you, JPS.
	Just a reminder, guys.
	100 and up to read and 200 and up.
	Okay, wait, hold on.
	So your relationship status.
	Sorry, hold on just a sec.
	Seven deadly simps donated $200.
	These women learned long ago that the amount of time people can tolerate them is directly proportional to the amount of cleavage visible.
	Wow.
	Also, 777 Decillion, 777 no nillion, 770, 7 octillion, 777 septillion, 777 sextillion, 777 quintillion, 777 quadrillion, 777 trillion, 777.
	Your current relationship status.
	Currently single.
	How long have you been single?
	777.
	About two-ish years.
	Two years?
	Longest relationship?
	About six years.
	Six years, okay.
	And from what age to what age was the relationship?
	Like 20 to like 26.
	Okay, so the relationship that ended two years ago was your longest relationship at six years.
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	And are you currently, I mean, you're single, but... I'm dating.
	There's a good...
	There's a guy in the picture, a couple guys in the picture.
	What's situationships?
	Right.
	No situationships.
	Okay.
	I kind of, I don't have the attention span and the time to kind of juggle a whole bunch of guys.
	I don't essentially think like everyone needs to have a roster.
	So I'm kind of more like date them one at a time type of girl situation.
	So there's like a guy or two I'm like kind of interested in feeling out, but I wouldn't say it's like a full-blown situationship at the moment.
	Okay, got it.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And similar to Mira, did I get it right this time?
	Have you ever had a fuckboy phase?
	Yeah, like once.
	Once.
	Once in New York.
	In New York.
	Yeah, for a couple months.
	Couple months.
	Gotcha.
	Were you living there or are you from there?
	I'm by coastal, so I have a place in LA and New York for modeling.
	Oh, really?
	Okay, cool, cool.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And what did the fuckboy phase look like for you?
	Well, I'll paint a picture.
	Sure.
	Cardi B was just like getting at the top of the charts, you know?
	So that was like, no, this was.
	Yeah, Bodak yellow.
	So this was like the time of like, ooh, pussy out.
	Oh, can I say that?
	Sorry.
	That's fine.
	It's fine.
	So it felt like kind of empowering, but essentially, I didn't really do it in the motive to like go out and be like, I'm going to conquest men.
	I just kind of wanted to see if I could be that type of girl or if that was like, you know, like a city girl.
	And I was like, I'm not a city girl.
	Like, tried it, but like, it really wasn't for me.
	I'm a lover girl.
	So it made it hard.
	Got it.
	Farah, what about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for about a year and a half, and my longest relationship was about four years.
	Four years.
	Gotcha.
	And if I recall from the previous times you've been on the show, despite having had some of these relationships, you are, you've not been intimate with somebody, biblically speaking, in that way.
	I'm a virgin, correct.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Wow.
	Just context for the audience and the rest of the panel.
	Get how surprised you are.
	They exist.
	They exist.
	No, that's cool.
	What about you?
	My last relationship was current relationship status.
	Oh, I'm single.
	I'm single.
	Gotcha.
	How long have you been single for?
	For like a year and a half now?
	Okay.
	A year and a half.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship?
	Like three years.
	Three years?
	Okay.
	Got it.
	And so you've been single for 1.5 years, but you know, is there a guy in the picture?
	No.
	No, come on.
	There's not a guy you're texting.
	Are you on any dating apps?
	No.
	Nothing?
	No.
	The guys don't slide into the DMs at all?
	Yeah.
	Oh, they slide in.
	Yeah, they do.
	They do.
	But I'm usually, I feel like I'm pretty interested in a lot of guys.
	At one point, we thought she was asexual.
	And I still am.
	Stop the cow.
	Wait, what?
	It's a real thing.
	I've known her for 10 years.
	10 years.
	Yeah.
	Literally, I thought I was lesbian.
	We literally are like, maybe you're a lesbian.
	Are you asexual?
	I go through periods of celibacy for like, I've been celibate for like two years before.
	Modest Hekima donated to dollars.
	Mirabas Tay F. Single body by choice.
	Obviously, take that power girl and come to Utah.
	You will be widely welcome.
	You can eat me for breakfast any day.
	Brixon, why are you up TTS?
	You mad at me.
	No, just I want to make sure we have a little smoother show.
	I have a lot of notes, and I just want to make sure we get through it and not keep everyone too late.
	So, yeah, dude, thank you, Jacama.
	Appreciate it.
	Do you want me to actually pronounce your name right?
	Because I think I'll eventually get it.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	So you think you're potentially asexual?
	It's definitely, I mean, it's possible.
	Like, I don't.
	Are you asexual or you just don't find yourself physically or sexually attracted to like a vast swaths of men?
	Yeah.
	Because like in your three-year relationship, I mean, was it a dead bedroom situationship?
	Or situation?
	Excuse me.
	No, but.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Are you on birth control?
	No, I don't believe in birth control.
	Oh.
	Okay, because I believe that actually affects your level of arousment.
	Yeah, I've never, I'd never, I think I went on birth control and I was like, wait, what is it?
	Wait, wait, let's pull this one up really quick.
	Oh, I know Mitch Jones.
	He plays World of Warcraft.
	Wait, hold on.
	Speaking, wait, hey, you know, get back into the frame.
	What are you doing?
	Ruined Mitch.
	Ruined.
	I didn't know you dated Mitch Jones.
	I've seen his stream.
	He recently played World of Warcraft hardcore classic.
	He plays a mage typically.
	Now, oh, wait, did he?
	Yeah, he got, he was in Frontier, but while they were farming in Silithus, he died.
	And in hardcore, once you die, that's it.
	The Arcane Dream.
	He's a great mage.
	That's all I got to do.
	Solid mage.
	Solid mage.
	Ask her about the time.
	Wait, did this is this true?
	What is true? That you...
	He's a great mate.
	No, that you drugged.
	Did you drug Mitch Jones?
	I don't know any of it.
	I didn't even know you dated him.
	These are big accusations.
	Is my slander?
	Is this slander?
	Harris?
	Hearsay.
	Hearsay, okay.
	But Mitchell is a great mage, I do confirm.
	When did you guys, you guys dated a, like, how long ago?
	Wait, was this your, wait, hold on.
	Dated is a really strong.
	Oh, no, that would not work.
	Are you guys in a relationship?
	No, we were just really good friends for a long time.
	Actually, we spoke like a couple days ago.
	We stay in touch.
	He lives in Austin right now.
	Tell him to come on the podcast.
	Mitch Jones.
	Hopefully they come back.
	Sure, I will.
	But he doesn't plan to anytime soon, I'll say, because there's a big wow release again, I guess in a month.
	Season of discovery.
	Yes, he's going to cave for a long time in Texas.
	What's it called?
	Cave?
	Yeah.
	Is that where you just like stay inside and stream?
	Yes, we play and stream on Twitch.
	That's how we met.
	On Twitch.
	Yeah, we were both streamers there for like 10 years.
	How did you guys meet?
	My chat told me to talk to him.
	His chat told me to talk to him.
	Literally, our first conversation was on Twitch.
	Some Cupid shit.
	It really is.
	Twitch chat connects hearts.
	It's really cute.
	Yeah, I'm sure some very healthy relationships have come from.
	I feel like from what I've heard, a lot of these creator relationships are catastrophic.
	Yeah, it's hard to do that when so many people are nitpicking and watching every step that you make.
	And obviously they're going to have their own past experiences.
	They're going to project into your relationship.
	So it can become like a shit show.
	If it's not a very strong, healthy relationship, which most younger people just don't have that going on, that can tear it apart.
	People will tear it apart.
	You have to be very careful and like, I guess, conserve it as much as you can.
	Only like be very selective with what you show.
	But so you were dating him?
	Okay, Brian.
	Yes.
	No, I'm asking.
	I'm asking.
	I don't know any details.
	I've seen his stream like three times.
	I'm not super familiar with it.
	We had fun.
	Actually, no, I think I DM'd him a couple months ago to see if he wants to be on the show, but that's the extent of it.
	I can talk to him about it.
	I think that would be interesting.
	We have good chemistry with you.
	He's got some Riz.
	He does.
	Charisma.
	He's honestly really fun to hang out with.
	Yeah, he seems like a good guy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Mitch Jones, come on.
	We'll talk about World of Warcraft in Season of Discovery.
	Next time.
	If you got a guild, we'll pitch it.
	We'll help you recruit.
	not that you need it um okay so but so are you guys like friends with benefits What was boyfriend, girlfriend?
	What was the extent of the relationship?
	What?
	You did date him, right?
	You really don't let me get away with vague answers, huh?
	Well, it's just easier if you're just precise.
	That way I can get a quick answer, you can answer, then I can keep things moving.
	What is your relationship status, Brian?
	Oh my god, this girl.
	Is that her?
	Yes, I am currently in a long-term.
	I'm actually was going to propose to her tonight, but no, actually, she's a virgin.
	chastity is intact so if you'd like I can arrange what's her name Kiki.
	Do you love me?
	Exactly.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	Just burning seconds here.
	What was the boyfriend, girlfriend?
	I mean, it's clear people know you guys were romantically involved, so it'd be very simple instead of me having to try to pull it out of you, if you'd just be like, oh, yeah, we were boyfriend, girlfriend.
	Is it clear?
	I don't think we ever had like a sex tape or anything.
	We'd just like hang out.
	We hang out.
	That's all like on streams.
	Well, you could.
	And quarreled a lot for entertainment of Twitch chat.
	They liked that.
	So you guys.
	Were you guys monogamous?
	Exclusive?
	Oh, no.
	He was sleeping around a lot.
	Okay.
	So it wasn't exclusive.
	So you guys were like, it was a situation ship, friends with benefits type thing.
	I think we were just streaming on Twitch, entertaining people and like having a good time.
	That's how I would define that.
	You could have just said, oh, we were just friends.
	But it's not, but were you.
	There's definitely an edge that was added to it, but.
	Did you guys have P and the V?
	Was there P in the V?
	Yes, no?
	Just the tip.
	I'm not ready to answer that question.
	Just for a second.
	Just to see how it feels.
	No, that would be pity sex.
	Okay.
	Okay, so where were we?
	Next to Kiki.
	Relationship status, go ahead.
	Oh, it's a little complicated right now.
	Like before I went to China on vacation, I met someone I kind of liked, but I didn't exactly know what his boundaries and things were, so I kind of gave him kind of like a contract thing of mine to read over to see if he agrees.
	Oh, that's right.
	Wait.
	And then, like.
	You have a consent form.
	No, I don't know if you're going to have to do it.
	It doesn't exactly have to be followed.
	There's like a list of negotiables and non-negotiables and things.
	But it's like my boundaries, and then he can add his.
	And if we both kind of align, then I'm willing to like date.
	So wait, are you currently, are you single, or what's your relationship status?
	I'm just.
	Complicated.
	It's complicated.
	I'm not seeing anyone else.
	I'm just kind of waiting until I get back after this to see the response.
	Did you bring a copy of the contract?
	I asked her.
	I asked her if she has the contract.
	I was asking to come on the show.
	I wasn't sure when I'd be back from China.
	And then once I knew, I gave a date of when I could come on the show.
	And then I didn't bring myself to.
	Sorry.
	I didn't bring my laptop with me to China, so I couldn't send a document.
	Did you speak Mandarin?
	I learned a little bit while I was there.
	Why were you in China?
	I wanted to travel.
	And also a little bit of work, because in China, there's cosplay studios where they have themed rooms, and you could dress up as specific characters and take pictures.
	I picked a specific Genshin Impact theme one in Shanghai that I wanted to do.
	I did like three different characters on that video.
	And the person you're dating, are they from China?
	The person I'm interested in is.
	Okay, I see.
	So, okay, it's complicated with a guy from China.
	How long has it been complicated with said person?
	It was recently.
	I started talking to them, maybe a month.
	One month, okay.
	So reviewing the contract?
	Well, I mean, it didn't exactly start off that way, but then we kind of, I guess, vibed in friend groups.
	Oh, it vibed.
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship?
	Four and a half years.
	Four and a half years.
	Okay, very cool.
	What about you?
	I am married.
	I've been married.
	He got, well, we eloped in Arkansas in February.
	And then we have a wedding, like at home with all our friends and family.
	How long have you been married?
	Since February.
	Oh, since February.
	Okay, sorry, I missed that.
	Any kids or no?
	No.
	No kids.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, I've been married with the same woman for most of my adult life.
	How long have you guys been married?
	See, you're going to get me in trouble.
	Well, you don't know.
	A long time.
	A really long time.
	Okay.
	10 plus years?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, cool.
	So, we got through the relationship status.
	So I'm going to do, I'm going to read a couple of the chats that we have here.
	We have John Galt.
	Can you ask the girls if a guy owning a gun is a positive deal-breaker or neutral?
	P.S. Shout out to Farah.
	She's cool.
	Would be cool to see Destiny back on as well.
	Hey, John Galt, thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, I think we might actually be having Destiny back on the show soon.
	So yeah, going around the table starting with you.
	Maybe I can frame it.
	Yeah, I mean, I'll just use this question.
	A guy owning a gun is a positive deal-breaker or neutral.
	Depends on his level of intelligence and self-control, but technically it's neutral.
	Technically neutral.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	What about you?
	I would say neutral.
	I think whether or not you want to own a gun is one thing, but I think everyone should know how to use one in case one comes into your hands.
	So I would say it's not negative or positive.
	Maybe if he owned too many guns because my father was in the NRA and knew how to build guns from scratch, and then he tried to like murder.
	I don't know if I can say that actually.
	Just some crazy shit happening.
	No, you can say it.
	Wait, he tried to murder?
	He tried to have me murder him and like my best friend.
	We like almost all died.
	He tried to murder you?
	Yeah, he put a gun in my hand to have me try to kill him and was like holding my hand with the gun in his head.
	That's like a long, he's like, yeah, we don't, if that's a sensitive subject.
	Oh, it's not sensitive.
	Like, I don't give a fuck.
	How old were you if you were?
	I was 17 when this happened.
	And so I grew up around guns, like all my family, like all the, they, you know, come from Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana.
	You know, they're hunting.
	They, all the whole thing.
	So it was never something that I was like, oh my God.
	As I got older, it wasn't so appealing.
	I think we should have gun rights, but I don't think we, like, guns need to disappear.
	Right.
	But so I think it gets concerning when it's like, here's my 45 gun collection of different guns.
	And like, then I think we're like, okay.
	Farah, what about you?
	I think it's a positive.
	I want to get a gun, but if he makes it his whole personality, then I would say it's negative.
	Fair, fair.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I do have a license to own a gun, so I know how to use guns.
	My dad taught me how to use guns, but obviously if someone's like a murderer, I don't think I'd feel comfortable with them having a gun.
	Well, would you date a, let's maybe go around the table on this.
	Would you date a murderer?
	Technically, I think if you murdered someone in self-defense, you're technically still a murderer.
	So you wouldn't be a murderer.
	So murder would be the unjustified taking of a life.
	With Matt Listen, so if it's self-defense, okay, but like, what if someone was manslaughter?
	Okay, yeah, I wouldn't.
	No, it wouldn't even be manslaughter.
	it would self-defense would be in opposition to murder which so self-defense would be a justified taking of a life and uh murder would be the unjustified outcome of that still kill someone you still kill someone So like, what would the different word be for that?
	Yeah, that would just be killing.
	I'm trying to Google this.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	Murderer, destiny.
	But you can also depending what state you're in.
	We were to go out with my hunting rifle and kill a deer.
	Do you think I murdered it?
	Yeah.
	He is technically.
	You think I murdered it?
	So if I ate it, then is it justified or is it still murder?
	I don't know.
	I'm a pescatier.
	I think, well, I think, so technically, yes, so murder is the unlawful killing.
	So what would you, is there a name for somebody who kills somebody?
	Like, is there a term for somebody who kills somebody, but it's not murdered or not?
	There's all sorts of different ones.
	Aggravated assault, right?
	Well, let's not get that.
	We don't know.
	Yeah, I'm derailing the conversation.
	So you're just killing.
	Fine with guns, I think.
	It sounded like you're fine.
	Yeah, yeah.
	As long as they're not a murderer.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm fine with guns, like maybe a regular, I don't know, handgun or something for self-defense.
	Okay.
	Also, fine with guns.
	Garrett hunts all the time.
	We just left.
	We were just at his hunting camp for like a week over Thanksgiving, so very familiar.
	Wait, just a question for you.
	So you said a handgun.
	What about just a semi-automatic rifle?
	Why?
	I'm not sure.
	It all depends on the situation.
	If it could be justified, then what if I told you?
	What about a semi-automatic weapon?
	I'm not sure.
	Like a handgun.
	Which was a handgun is a semi-automatic weapon.
	Some of them are.
	Yeah.
	Not all of them.
	I'm not very familiar with hunting terms.
	Oh, okay.
	We got Raven.
	Raven DT donated $200.
	Justifiable homicides.
	The term is justifiable homicide.
	But what would is there a name for the person?
	Like, is there a term for somebody who's killed somebody?
	Is it just killer?
	Oh, manslaughter.
	No.
	No, no, it's not.
	Manslaughter is messaged.
	Anyways, it doesn't really matter.
	We have a chat here from.
	Hold on, I'm going to wait till this one.
	The term is.
	One sec, it's coming up.
	It's from Aiden Smash.
	She, Myra, wanted to get a viral clip to get even more simps in her OnlyFans.
	She's full of shit.
	Time to castle her.
	Are you full of shit?
	Mira.
	Myra.
	Yes, you're full of shit.
	Are you teaching me how to pronounce my own name?
	No, I'm just terrible with names, so I'm going to probably continue to butcher it throughout the rest of the show, but don't take it personally.
	Okay, Bran.
	What's that?
	You heard me.
	Because I mispronounced your name.
	Yes, this is war.
	This is war?
	Oh my god, this girl.
	Okay.
	This girl.
	What do you guys think, chat?
	Chat, what do you guys think?
	What do you guys think, chat?
	Well, back to the other question.
	Does the chat think they're teeming?
	She's like.
	Wait.
	Oh, hold on.
	I'm reading the chat here.
	What do you guys think, chat?
	Is this a kick?
	I don't know.
	We'll let it slide, but like, can you relax a little bit?
	Can you help me relax?
	Why are you being like is that it?
	Is that like a good faith question or are you just being obnoxious?
	I'm just used to streaming on Twitch.
	That's usually how it goes.
	How does what goes similar?
	Entertainment.
	What's entertaining?
	How?
	She hasn't seen this show.
	This is her first podcast appearance.
	She's not familiar with the way you structure the flow.
	What do you mean?
	What's trusting me?
	She's not trying to obstruct.
	She's trying to, she thinks this is content.
	How normal people have a conversation, though, just out of curiosity.
	You want me to deem her abnormal for no, but remember in the beginning when they're like trying to have a good normal float conversation?
	That's the point.
	I think she wants to talk about certain topics.
	She just doesn't want to disclose certain details about her identity.
	I think that's fair.
	Yeah.
	That's fair.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Moving on.
	All right.
	Let's get into some of the notes here.
	I don't get the gun question.
	Oh, sorry.
	I don't get the gun question.
	Was it directed at it might have just been directed at the women, but and what about would you date a murderer?
	I'm curious to hear everyone's answers.
	No.
	Criminality in women is incredibly unattractive, so no, I would not.
	Go ahead.
	Only vote in the gun question.
	Did you want to?
	Yeah, just guns are awesome in every single capacity, and people should own lots of them.
	What is your favorite gun?
	For me, I like AK-47s.
	For what reason?
	Well, because they have a...
	I like the payload that the AK-47 delivers to the target.
	He likes the payload.
	What do you usually use as a target?
	I don't know.
	Like small clay pigeons.
	Clay.
	Then I paint obnoxious women's faces on them.
	He's kidding.
	It's a joke.
	It's a real joke.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That was funny.
	Wait, fuck, hold on.
	You don't call retarded people retards.
	It's bad taste to say that.
	You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded.
	Ableism is okay off of Twitch.
	It's not a communist dictatorship.
	Yeah, but would have been banned on Twitch for that.
	Don't worry.
	Actually, it wasn't.
	It was my friend said that.
	It was Michael Scott who said it, not anybody that's able, so it's okay.
	All right, let's get into some of the pre-show questions here, or some of the notes that you guys provided for me.
	So, Yamani, you said someone has paid me to take off of work and go on a date, but that is pretty normal for a lot of girls in LA.
	So we have a couple girls here who you live in LA, correct?
	Sherman Oakes.
	Is that LA?
	I think that's L.A. County.
	Or is it Ventura County?
	No, it's that Ventura County?
	No, it's L.A.
	I live in LA.
	Is it LA County?
	It's LA.
	You're in L.A., you're in LA, you're in L.A. Is that common?
	Yeah.
	Dudes paying you to take time.
	Wait, what do you do for work again?
	I do bottle service.
	Bottle service.
	Okay.
	So like, has that happened multiple times to you where a guy will pay you, be like, yo, just take the day off.
	I'll cover it.
	Almost, almost probably every night that I work, I would say someone offers that.
	Obviously, not every night do I go.
	But usually the implication is that like I'm if I'm tired, I don't feel like hanging out.
	So I'll tell someone I have work.
	I don't really feel like it.
	And they'll be like, okay, well, if I just pay you however much you're going to make at work, would you just come with me to dinner?
	Question for you.
	How many nights per week do you work?
	Is it like Thursday, Friday, Saturday type thing?
	Yeah, like I guess like we'll take, I guess like four, yeah, maybe like four nights a week or something.
	Okay.
	So you're like weekend nights typically are going to be preoccupied with work.
	So a guy might be inclined to offer you payment to take it off so he can take you on a date.
	What's the asking price there?
	500 bucks for you to take off the night?
	What's the guy got to pay?
	Well, not that I'm encouraging it.
	I don't necessarily have a price because.
	Okay, Yamani.
	Did I say your name right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, he got my name right.
	That's crazy.
	Sorry, Myra.
	Did I say right?
	Is it Mira?
	Mira, Myra.
	Is there any implications?
	What are you going to do during those days?
	that's the thing i think a lot of times that's a reach there is obviously there's an implication when you give a girl specifically money Because of the implication.
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	It's always sunny in Philadelphia joke.
	Never mind.
	I'm sure you know, but obviously there is some implication that probably something sexual would happen.
	So I don't typically like just go on dates with people for money because I, like I said, I'm not super sexual.
	So I would hate to like hang out with someone and they give me money.
	And then I'm like, well, I don't really want to do that.
	So, I mean, not always, but there, I don't, I don't know.
	I don't think I've been on like that many to like really know, but I've never.
	Yamani, I want to take you out on Friday.
	You're working.
	You have work.
	What does it cost to get you to take off work for me to take you on a date?
	Or a guy.
	I mean, I don't have a price.
	That's not like what I...
	Oh.
	So, okay, I'll pay you 20 bucks.
	Well, no, because...
	Okay, so there is a price.
	You're saying you avoid it.
	Oh, well, usually someone would say, like, I don't know.
	I guess what would you make at work if it's a Saturday night?
	I don't know.
	Bottle service, it just depends.
	That's why, like, I feel like you probably don't have a number.
	It's like bottle service, one night you can make, like, 500 in tips.
	One night you can make 5,000 in tips.
	Literally.
	So, yeah.
	And also, I'm not, nothing wrong if you go on dates for money, but like, I don't have like a, it has to be $500 if you want to go to dinner.
	I got to interject there.
	I do think there is something wrong if you go on dates for money.
	Why?
	Well.
	Because she says the implication is sexual.
	Well, if everybody hears me, what if you make it clear?
	I just want to let you know, like, even though you're paying me, like, nothing's happening after this, I'm not getting crazy.
	Which is why sometimes I don't, because I let people know that I'm not.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, some girls will do the whole leading thing on and be like, oh, yeah.
	And then, like, put themselves in danger.
	If you're going on the date without an actual genuine intention that there's a possibility that you could romantically pursue the guy, that's what I would, like, if you're just strictly going on a date.
	First off, I don't think men ought to be offering money to women.
	Well, yeah, there's a market for it.
	So that's why I'm not sure.
	Well, that's some sim shit.
	Men shouldn't be offering money.
	Like, good for you.
	Get your bag or whatever.
	But I don't think men should be, oh, I'll pay you $500 to go on a date with me.
	That's pathetic.
	Good for you.
	Not pathetic for you.
	Pathetic.
	I blame the men.
	Isn't that called escort?
	It's not clear to me if it's just like, it's not clear to me if she's escorting in so far as she's working.
	And in order for her to, I don't know.
	It kind of blurs the lines a little bit.
	I mean, yeah, which is, I'm not like a dater.
	I don't do this all the time or like often even.
	Couldn't you date men on your nights off?
	I absolutely could.
	Okay, first of all.
	You're not advertising, hey, if you want to take me out, you'd have to pay me their like, no, no, no, babe.
	Here, how much do you make, I'll cover it.
	Come spend the night with, or come hang out with me.
	Like, as a girl, sometimes we have to tell, like, I've told a guy, no, that I don't want to go on a date with you probably 10 times in a night.
	So sometimes, like, maybe the fourth time.
	The same dude.
	Wait, the same dude, you'll tell him no?
	Yeah, I've had a, like, at work all night, had to tell someone all night.
	I have, anyone girl knows this, but like, especially working at a club, I've literally had guys, like, wait for me at work.
	That's why they have to walk you to your car.
	I mean, like, I mean, I'm not like.
	If a girl, yeah, I mean, if the girl, if a girl turns you down, like, move on.
	I agree.
	You know what I mean?
	Sometimes they offer you money.
	I mean, if a girl says, for example, like, oh, I can't hang out tonight, he might say, well, what about another night?
	But then if you say, no, I don't want to hang out with you, that's what, like, I, okay, like, as a guy, you should move on.
	But obviously, we know that's not the case with everyone.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I'm not saying all guys are like that.
	I don't.
	Just to clarify, I was just curious as he was kind of going through the questions.
	So if a guy does call you or gets a hold of you in whatever way and says, I want to buy out your day, your workday, to come hang out with me or whatever, and there is an implication of sex.
	Have you ever agreed to those?
	No, but I'm not against it.
	I'm not against anyone who does that.
	I don't judge anyone.
	But would you call that prostitution?
	Leave.
	I'm pretty sure that's the definition of prostitutes.
	I think everyone will call that.
	Well, I don't know if everyone.
	I'm trying to ask if I'm.
	No, I'm not asking that.
	I'm just asking.
	I'm just asking, just to clarify it, right?
	So if you said no to that, it would.
	If someone says, can I give you $500 to have sex with you?
	And you say yes, whether you go on a date or not, whether it, that is what a process is.
	Okay, I agree.
	100% I agree.
	I'm just asking if that situation comes up, if you say yes to.
	Technically, I would be soliciting if I agree to have sex with someone for money.
	That would technically, yeah.
	Is it, but I don't know, like, in the example she provided, she's working.
	If a man, the man is not paying her for sex, the man is paying her company to hang out.
	To not go to work where she would otherwise make the money that the man is offering.
	So it's not clear.
	I mean, the lines are perhaps to some degree a little blurred, but because a man could also say, let's hang out on the night you aren't working.
	Yeah, and if I like them, we can hang out on the night I'm not working.
	Right.
	But I guess guys are that pressed to.
	Do you ever feel pressured to have sex with them if they were to pay you for a date?
	I don't know.
	I don't think anyone's ever given me so much money.
	What's that I she's asking what your price is?
	I just told you guys like four times.
	I'm not, I don't have a price for going out on, I don't like charge for a date.
	I mostly, my boyfriends or people that I dated have not paid me to go on a date, but it has happened.
	It's it like I think any girl's been offered money.
	So yeah, and I personally know I haven't felt that pressure, but I okay, it's fine.
	Another thing from you, I also don't think you said, you said in your notes here, I also don't think we were meant to always be together forever as partners.
	Some of us aren't meant to date long term, be taken seriously, which is okay.
	Yes.
	and are you speaking just for you like do you think that's kind of no i think a lot of people put so much pressure especially women but also men There's a lot of pressure on men to get married or just people in general to form like monogamous bonds, especially when you reach certain markers in your life.
	And I just don't think everyone's meant to be monogamous with one person for the rest of their life.
	I know guys who like, obviously we know people, guys and girls who are married, they cheat all the time.
	Like if that's the case, you're not meant to be monogamous.
	I agree on this actually.
	I believe there was a historical significance, like meaning as to why monogamy was kind of like glorified in our society.
	It was easier to survive to provide when you stick to like one unit.
	But these days our life became so...
	That's not why.
	Is that okay if I finish the point?
	Hold on.
	I'll let you finish this.
	What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
	At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
	Everyone is now dumber for having listened to it.
	It's a movie writer.
	Wow.
	That's a movie writer.
	What movie is that?
	It's on the tip of my tongue.
	No, it's Adam Sanders.
	It's Sambler.
	I can't remember the name.
	I want to say it's Billy Madison.
	I think it's Billy Madison.
	Go on, continue with your point.
	Okay, I feel like these days we became so comfortable, independent.
	Just our life became so convenient that surviving on our own and making choices based on what we actually want to do in the moment is a norm.
	And this is sort of an outdated, I suppose, part of the system where people feel the pressure to get married or have kids by certain age that we don't need to do that anymore.
	And a lot of people, like you said, they sort of get stuck and pressure to be in relationships.
	They don't feel happy.
	And so many families that are married, I've been noticing just from what I was observing, are together for reasons that are actually not authentic.
	Whether they're feeling lonely or they want safety or sex.
	And if you look deeper into it, it looks good, like on the outside, but inside they're miserable and the relationship is quite toxic.
	As opposed to people that are single or fucking around, even though some society can't judge them for that, they're actually happy and free because they do what makes them feel good.
	Andrew, I think I know you had something.
	I do want to just really quickly, before I have you come in, go around the table on this.
	So it sounded like you, and I don't want to misquote you, you don't think monogamy, what are your thoughts on monogamy?
	It's not for everyone.
	I don't think everyone has their own personal thing.
	I think like we have the saying that like women are naturally monogamous, men are naturally not as monogamous, women just get super attached.
	I don't think it's as I think we've made it super general.
	I don't think everyone's monogamous.
	I don't think everyone's poly.
	I don't think everyone's like people just like what they like.
	Some people.
	Sure, but so you're saying, are you saying women aren't naturally monogamous?
	That's what you wrote here.
	I did write that, so I think maybe to clarify, I just don't think that...
	Well, don't walk it back.
	I'm not walking back, but you're asking me to clarify.
	You're asking me what I, I'm telling you what I meant.
	Yeah.
	Because I was in a DM, so I can completely flush out.
	You're fine.
	I don't think that every single woman, just because you have a vagina, are you monogamous and do you get emotionally attached to everyone you have sex with?
	I just think that's a little bit of like a generalization that has been made about girls is that they, you know, they, every time you have sex with a guy, you're in love with them, you fall in love, but guys can just fuck, oh sorry, have sex with anyone and they don't get super attached.
	Like I know guys that get attached super quick.
	I know girls that get attached super quick.
	I know girls that have sex with a bunch of people and don't care about any of them and vice versa.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	Like I said from the beginning, which you could quote, is that monogamy, poly, it depends what you're into.
	Sure.
	So perhaps just a yes or no on this.
	You said women aren't naturally monogamous.
	That's your position.
	No, I just said my position.
	I don't, I, again, that was like a very concise DM.
	So I know there were other sentences before and after, but just because you, what I'm saying is just because, because you can't answer it yes or no, is that just because you have a vagina doesn't mean that you're more super inclined to being monogamous.
	That's all I meant.
	Would you never be monogamous?
	No, I've been monogamous before.
	Oh.
	I think it's a point just because I know you so well, I think what you might be trying to say, and tell me if I'm wrong, is historically humans weren't monogamous and then monogamy became like a thing like over time ingrained in the culture.
	And so just like in general, not every woman is going to have the urge to be monogamous or some women don't want to be monogamous but feel the pressure from where they grew up, what religion they're in, that sort of thing.
	So I think it's just, I think you can say that for men and women, like monogamy isn't for everybody.
	That's all.
	going around the table or wait I don't know if I went can I add one more thing Sure.
	I think what we lack is a freedom of choice.
	Too much of what people do is based on what others want us to do.
	That's it.
	I don't even know what that means.
	So like an example with marriage.
	You know, there is so much pressure, especially for women, to get married and have children by a certain age.
	Yeah, that's because if they don't do that, they can't have children.
	I mean, that's debatable.
	No, it's not debatable.
	No, it's not.
	No, listen.
	The amount of damage that you do that drastically can happen to you and the child just over the age of 24 drastically increases every single year.
	Every single year that you hold out.
	By the time you're 40, if you're trying to have kids, how many kids do you think you're going to have versus a 24?
	Men's sperm count drops too as they get older, just so you know it's for both of them.
	Generally speaking, yes, but a lot of it depends on your lifestyle because we all age differently.
	Oh, no.
	Wait a second.
	Yes, I mean, that's true.
	I guess that we all have different effects when it comes to age.
	I would agree to that.
	But we don't all age differently, right?
	So we all age at exactly the same rate as everybody else.
	I disagree.
	Really?
	So if I'm one year old and you're one year old, how old are both of us?
	Depends how you perceive time.
	It depends on how you perceive time.
	Well, I think perhaps she's saying, like, if you take good care of your health, there's some longer.
	Yeah, the effects.
	So sure, you can have the effects, but we age the same at the same rate.
	But don't you think there's other things that can age you faster?
	Like trauma, drugs, losses.
	Well, wait, hold on, just $538 donated $199.
	When was monogamy all mating for life something we mammals did not do?
	Lots of birds, reptiles, and amphibians do it.
	Show me a successful polygamous society with matriarchal king with harems.
	Good point.
	Very good point.
	Bone man 538.
	Yeah, I wasn't, I definitely was saying like we don't like have an instinct to want to procreate and like be with other people.
	But like, you know, you don't see like a lot of species just like clinging on to one other species.
	But yeah, some do.
	Some like, you know, like they say lobsters, they mate for life when they meet their mate.
	They're like, whatever.
	And then there's other like species fucking everybody.
	Girls, don't gorillas have like this one king and then they have multiple people.
	When you take human behavior, right?
	Yeah.
	We're not going to compare ourselves to lions, right?
	But we still have primal instincts.
	We're animals, right?
	But we also have higher faculties.
	So we can know how to do things which are good for us, even regardless of what our own carnal natures are.
	So for instance, it might feel good to do thing which ends up hurting you in the long run.
	So you don't do that thing even though it feels good.
	Like for instance, eating tons of chocolate in a single sitting.
	I feel good, probably not very good for you, so lots of people would avoid doing it, right?
	Otherwise, we end up with like pure hedonism.
	So the reason monogamy is so good for the world is because it used to be that only a small subsect of men were able to procreate ever because women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	So what happened is all the high-status men would get the mass majority of women.
	That's what would happen.
	What happened when monogamy is really introduced, especially through Christian ethics, what's ended up happening is now everybody has a mate.
	You see societal violence go way down.
	You see people are able to genetically replicate themselves.
	And so the biggest value to a species moving forward is replication, right?
	You have to be able to replicate yourself.
	I'm going to agree with that.
	I just don't think that just because we do it doesn't mean everyone wants to do it.
	Yeah, well.
	Not saying it isn't good for society.
	I think I think it's not valid.
	Yeah, but that's just kind of trivial true, right?
	So you say that about everything.
	Like, not everybody wants to do everything.
	That's true, but we're kind of talking in a general walk here.
	Just concepts.
	Thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	My male hormones naturally overcame me, and I made a disgusting comment toward Mira as she is wearing the least clothing.
	Nip spoking, enjoys turning down losers like me.
	What is this?
	He didn't make a comment about your abs.
	What does he want me to cover?
	My face?
	No, don't worry about that.
	What else do I need to cover?
	Nick, do we have any paper bags back there?
	I didn't know.
	No, you're fucking.
	She's like, cut off the eyeballs.
	Go ahead.
	Did you want to continue on with the...
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I'm just, what I'm saying is that monogamy, if you want to know why I'm so anti-degeneracy, why I'm so anti-promiscuity, things like that.
	If you look at all the Western nations where all the promiscuity is allowed everywhere at all times, like she says, I feel like we don't have a choice to do what?
	There's nobody stopping you literally from doing anything.
	Any form of degeneracy you could ever think of right now, you can basically do, and you have a right to do it at all times, whenever you feel like it, everywhere inside of the United States.
	I can't think of a single one, a single thing that you would be like, I just have to go and do this horrible, degenerate thing.
	What is it that you couldn't go do right now?
	What choice are you being limited?
	I'm not limited.
	I think I'm more so talking about other people feeling the psychological pressure of society.
	Like women get judged.
	Men get judged too, actually.
	There's so much judgment.
	And I think that's unnecessary.
	What's wrong with judgment?
	Judgment's good.
	Because it stirs people away from doing what they want to do.
	Yeah, but as long as they're not hurting.
	That's my problem, right?
	This is why you say that.
	Just because you can do it doesn't mean it should.
	This is a problem with Twitch politics.
	You got Twitch brain, okay?
	So what's happened because of your Twitch brain is you hear all the hedonists on Twitch say, do what makes you feel good, man.
	The good is the good.
	Do the good.
	Whatever makes you feel good.
	Have you ever watched my Twitch?
	What about your duty and obligations?
	Do you have any of those?
	Do you just have a set of sequence of entitlements that you call rights with zero duties and zero rights?
	Actually, Twitch chat also puts pressure on me.
	I think this is mentality that came on my own, which was really hard because there's, like I said, so much pressure from everyone.
	But answer to my question.
	So my question is, do you just have a sequence of entitlements?
	Or do you have any duties and obligations to anybody for anything ever?
	Your question is very vague.
	Can you paraphrase it?
	I don't know how it could possibly be more precise.
	Do you know what a duty is?
	Could you define that?
	No, I'm just asking if you know what one is before I define it.
	Before we become too overly pedantic, I just want to make sure that you are going to tell me that you don't know what that word means first before I define it.
	Not that you're making me do it because you want to be overly pedantic.
	English is my second language.
	I don't know how this relates.
	She was talking about freedom of choice, and you said, Well, you're legally allowed to do whatever you want.
	And then she was talking about socialization and being included.
	You have certain habits, and you said, What's wrong with shame?
	It's fine to be shamed, but she's saying that people, women aren't avoiding promiscuity because of the adverse effects that you think are inherent to promiscuity.
	It's because they want to be called a 304 or slut.
	If you think there's no that's not what she said, that is what she's implying.
	She's saying if there's actually negative side effects of having a lot of sex, those will manifest in themselves.
	It doesn't have to take the form of guys calling her a slut.
	That's the social media.
	That's the absence of freedom of choice.
	That is what she was saying.
	No, we were talking about what she was talking about.
	She was talking about girls being slutched.
	We're talking about monogamy and the expectation to have society, she feels like it's not fair that society is casting stigma on social behaviors.
	That's what she's actually saying.
	She's saying, I think she was just acknowledging freedom of choice, and you understood freedom of choice to mean legal rights.
	And she was saying, No, not just legal rights.
	Judgment and socialization and stigma.
	And I'm talking about a stigma.
	Literally talking about stigma right this second.
	That's why I'm asking: do you feel like you only have a sequence of entitlements which are given, or do you feel like you have any duties and obligations extra?
	That's a duty.
	A duty, an obligation.
	To whom?
	To a child or a dog or a job.
	Like, if you're a parent, do you have a duty to feed your child if you're a parent?
	I'm not a parent.
	You want me to imagine?
	How would you feel if you ate breakfast this morning?
	How would I feel if I ate breakfast?
	Yeah.
	Full?
	Yeah.
	Would you feel bad if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
	I would require more minerals.
	That is correct.
	Okay, great.
	So we know that you can do hypotheticals, so let's not be pedantic then.
	I still don't know what pedantic is.
	Yeah, you don't know what it is.
	You don't know what pedantry is because English is your second language, right?
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	Well, let's move into it anyway.
	I'm just going to ask, and I'll use really small words: do you have a duty?
	And if you don't know what the word duty means, when I say it in the context of feeding a child, I'll tell you.
	Are you asking me to answer if I had a child, would I feed the child?
	And that's what I'm saying.
	No, do you have a duty to feed the child?
	Some obligation.
	I would feed my child.
	Do you have an obligation to feed your child?
	I feel like this is a lot of semantics.
	Legally, yes, you don't have to do that.
	You know, when you make an argument, semantics are super important.
	So I'm just wondering: do you have an obligation to feed your child?
	I would feed my child.
	Do you have an obligation to do that, though?
	Yes, legally, you have an obligation.
	I don't understand.
	You don't understand that when I ask you one question and then you answer to a question I didn't ask you, that you don't understand why people are true.
	If I say, would you feed your child? and you say yes, I'd feed my child, then that's an answer to that question.
	If I ask you if you have an obligation to feed your child and you say I would feed my child, that's not answering if you think you have an obligation to do so.
	I will feed my child.
	And that is the last thing I'm going to say.
	I'm not going to answer.
	But you would feed your child because you have to.
	But you have an obligation.
	Like, because you have to.
	Basically, it's you have to.
	If my child is hungry, I will feed him.
	No, but do you have an obligation to feed your child?
	Like, let's put it this way: like, let's like, uh, you could, some guy wants to fly you out to France for $2 million, or your baby needs to eat, and you're like, Well, the baby, I don't have to feed the baby, it'll live, but I can go on this France trip.
	Like, you know, some people would be like, you know what?
	Fuck the baby.
	I'll hire a sitter to feed them.
	That's not my obligation right now.
	My obligation is like going to France and get this money.
	You know what I mean?
	So he's kind of saying $138 just.
	Her very body embraces the duty to the child via the memory glands.
	That's true.
	I think you should specify: do you mean like a legal duty or a moral duty?
	I just said obligation first.
	Yeah, do you mean legally or well?
	That would be first.
	First, I would need to figure out whether or not she even feels like she has any obligation or doesn't actually know what the word obligation means.
	If you don't actually subject, there's legal objects.
	I want to ask you something else.
	If he pulls up the definition of obligation, reads it to you, will you answer the question then, or are you just going to still answer it the same way?
	I will try my best.
	Do you want me to?
	I can Google obligation, right?
	If that's what you want to do, Brian.
	An act or course of action to which a person is morally or legally bound, a duty or commitment.
	A duty.
	So both.
	Specify legal or moral.
	Specify for her which one?
	A moral.
	This is a very easy question.
	If you were to ask me, are you obligated to be nice with the person next to you?
	I could say not necessarily.
	Should you morally feed your child?
	Yes.
	Okay, good.
	So now back over to you.
	Do you have an obligation to feed your child?
	I will make sure that my child is morally obliged to do so.
	Answer the question, Myra.
	Did I get it right?
	Mira?
	Mira.
	Sorry, so I'm not doing it.
	I swear I'm not doing it intentionally.
	I'm like, that's brain dead.
	I will answer yes.
	You have an obligation to do so.
	Yeah, but it's not in front of other people.
	It's because I care for the child.
	Okay, but there is a duty there.
	Okay.
	Okay, so now we've established you know what duty means.
	So do you have any of those in society or no?
	Will I feed anyone else?
	That's not what I'm asking.
	I'm asking if you have any duties in society now that you understand the context of what duty means.
	Or is it all just entitlement?
	I feel like I can make a certain difference in life that will be helpful to people, but I don't have to.
	Okay, so you don't have any duties or obligations to anybody else in society?
	Just a sequence of entitlements?
	I don't know what sequence of entitlement is.
	So like, let's take a right.
	Would you say a right's an entitlement?
	Can you be more specific?
	Can you give me like...
	Yeah, like your right to free speech for a context.
	That's an entitlement.
	Would you say you're entitled to that?
	No.
	No, you're not entitled to it.
	I don't think anyone entitled to anything.
	Nobody's entitled to anything.
	Yes.
	Except your baby to get food.
	Yeah, but even there, like, it's all very subjective.
	Like, I would take care of the baby and feed the baby because I care for the baby.
	But would you give a stigma towards people who didn't?
	No.
	Why?
	Because it's none of my business.
	So if people weren't feeding their children and they were starving because they weren't feeding them, you wouldn't want a societal stigma against that.
	I'm not there to judge.
	There are other people that can do that.
	So do you think the world then is going to be a better place or a worse place because you refuse to judge and allow us to societal stigma towards people who won't feed their children?
	This reminds me of my childhood.
	I need to ask, do you all feel the same way?
	Well, so a couple of things.
	I feel like I'm asking.
	I just want to finish this real quick.
	I'm thinking, yes, I'm thinking.
	Is the world going to be a worse, a better or a worse place by you refusing to allow a stigma towards people who won't feed their own children?
	So I think that the reason why this comparison doesn't work is because in the first case, the life of a child that is not able, I'm assuming, to feed himself or herself is a danger.
	And the second one, you're judging someone else's personal slash sexual life.
	I don't understand.
	Why wouldn't that work?
	We're talking about a stigma towards a behavior that we don't like to see the benefits in society due to the stigma.
	Because like I said, the first one, someone's life depends on it.
	Somebody that technically is not capable of feeding themselves.
	And the second case, it's not a great thing.
	I'd love to ask her that maybe it could put it more specifically, like as an example, not so much of a statement.
	So here we go.
	When I was a kid, my dad used to like beat the living fucking shit out of me for like 15 years.
	And one day, and I sang my entire life growing up.
	One day I was sing, sing, singing.
	I come outside, my neighbor's like, oh my god, you have such a lovely voice.
	Like you're such a good singer.
	Like never stop singing.
	I feel really good, feel really great.
	And then 10 seconds later, I realize: wait, if she can hear me singing, she can definitely hear when I'm like screaming bloody murder for help and no one's helping.
	And so I think in this, his question could go towards this: if you were my neighbor, would have you felt obligated to call the police.
	Or would you say that's none of my business?
	I'm not going to get into that.
	Actually, that's really a good framing.
	Yes, that is.
	Thank you for clarifying it.
	So I think I should have mentioned, maybe I did, but briefly, is that as long as nobody getting hurt, if no one's health or life is in danger, do what you please.
	Do not let others influence your life.
	Well, he's going to say promiscuity hurts people, but that example doesn't pan out to her because she's talking about personal choice in terms of desire, not action.
	So even if you don't want to feed the baby and you feel obligated to, you're still going to feed the baby.
	She's talking about personal desire to have sex being suppressed by stigma, not actually whether you act on it.
	Or again, miracles.
	Wasn't that the point of the analogy?
	Weren't we talking about promiscuity?
	We started off talking about monogamy with her, then she came in.
	Then she started talking about there's a pressure on women to have children and to get married.
	That's not really related to promiscuity necessarily.
	Right, what we're talking instead is about societal duties.
	So the question becomes: if we're looking at the United States, we're looking at Western nations, which are underneath the threshold for replacing their own people inside of those nations.
	Way underneath.
	Not even replacing themselves, period.
	Is there any duty for us to do that?
	And he would say there's no duty to do that, right?
	There's no duty.
	So why wouldn't we, for instance, if I was the president of the United States tomorrow, why wouldn't I want to have some type of push towards women to see them kind of view this as a duty to do, a duty to try to get married younger, to try to have families younger so that I could bring that birth rate up, for instance, so I could replace the society which I currently have.
	You don't think that that's a good idea?
	You trying to replace the society?
	That sounds like some Hitler shit.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Well, I think right now we're seeing a lot of there's people that there's a couple things going on.
	There's that hundred and thirty eight donated $199.
	Natural law is upheld when no harm is done to persons, property, the public peace, and/or the public trust.
	The entitlement of benefit comes with the responsibility or the sense of duty to the group.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Bone Man.
	538.
	Thank you.
	Did you have something, Andrew?
	Yeah, so I think she accused you of being Hitler.
	Yeah, so if my goal is to be able to do that.
	Modest Tekken donated $200.
	Le Mau.
	I was simping for a girl with a monkey playing cymbals in her brain.
	WTF came over me.
	Christ is Lord.
	Andrew W. Chicks need a civics class.
	Number three, based.
	Promiscuity does hurt people.
	What is based?
	I'm sorry.
	Just means awesome.
	Based in reality.
	Sweet.
	How does promiscuity hurt people?
	Well, hang on.
	Back to the, before we get into that.
	Yeah, we'll get into that.
	If I say, I want the population, which we currently have, to continue to replace itself inside of the United States, how's that like Hitler again?
	I don't think she understands what I'm saying.
	She misunderstood what he meant.
	He meant like a school punishing the birth rate so that we're not decreasing in population over time.
	Good luck.
	Yeah, yeah.
	How's that like Hitler, though?
	Because she misunderstood it.
	Yeah, no, she can talk.
	So how's that like Hitler again?
	Because I misunderstood.
	Oh, okay.
	So you're going to say that I'm not like Hitler then, and that's like the opposite of to want to replace the domestic population of your nation, that sounds extreme.
	Yes.
	Why is that extreme?
	Wait, did you want to come in?
	No, I was just going to say, I feel like the word replace makes it sound strong.
	It makes it sound like you're like, maybe that's where the disconnect is.
	Well, I think you're saying replace because we will all be gone one day.
	I remember that.
	You know what he's saying?
	I was just saying.
	So I'm saying for her sake, like shades of skin.
	Replace.
	I think maybe it just sounded like.
	Andrew, are you a national socialist?
	Is I think what she's asking?
	No.
	Okay.
	Mine, I mean, but that's what you're doing.
	If you have a child, you're replacing yourself, right?
	You're passing your genes on.
	You're replacing yourself.
	That's the point of it.
	You're replicating your genes.
	You're replicating your genes.
	Yeah, let it be natural.
	Why are you trying to raise?
	Because if you hit under X amount of threshold and your population diminishes too much, your people go bye-bye.
	But why does it have to be on expense by Karen?
	I don't understand our human obsession with thinking we're going to be here forever.
	Species die all the time.
	If this planet blows up, we would be gone if an astro...
	Am I...
	No, keep going.
	Keep going.
	You're cooking.
	You guys are looking at that.
	You're cooking.
	Keep going.
	We have this weird obsession with thinking that we're going to be here forever, like preserving.
	I'm all for not littering, preserving the earth, but we think we're just so above every other species that we're just supposed to be here forever.
	We just got every, every, eventually everything comes to an end.
	Just like I'm going to die, we're all going to be.
	Are you talking about the heat death of the universe in like trillions of years?
	Is that?
	I'm just talking about in general, like how the dinosaurs were wiped out by a huge drug.
	But let's assume for a second.
	I'm just saying we have a general takeover.
	Yeah, okay, I get it.
	I get what you're saying.
	That we're in.
	We should talk about aliens forever.
	But I got to know this.
	Assume that you could see that the outcome based on policies that you had would lead to that way faster.
	Would you want to avoid that as the outcome?
	I'm sorry.
	What do you mean the outcome?
	So just assume that the outcome is if you do XXXXX, it leads to the human race becoming extinct.
	Okay.
	If you could then not do those things and that avoids that outcome, don't you think we should do that?
	One day we are going to be extinct.
	One day we're going to be extinct.
	Yeah, I get it.
	That's the side.
	So first of all, no, I don't even concede that that's true.
	But even if I did, even if I were to just say, you're right, one day human beings are just all going to be gone.
	If you could avoid that, if you had a way to avoid that, would you?
	What's the benefit of not avoiding it?
	Yeah, like, who cares if we're all, if we're all gone and you're not going to be able to do that.
	Well, I mean, don't you, you do like to exist, right?
	Okay, honestly, no.
	Wait, I feel like you're looking at it.
	I wanted to die most of my life.
	My last suicide adventure was in 2020.
	Let's not get into that.
	I think you're looking at it in too dichotomous of a way.
	Like, I could argue that the proclivities of different sexual orientations and half of girls not wanting to get married, some wanting to get married, some wanting to have kids can actually cancel out the chance of overpopulation.
	So I think you're looking at too much like, oh, if we encourage promiscuity and lack of marriage, our population is going to die up, but we could be missing out.
	Yeah, so let's grant all of this.
	How does any of that answer to my question, which I asked her, which is to say this, and I'll say it to you too.
	If you could change the outcome and save the human species in this scenario by simply changing around policies or improving policies or improving the way that human beings act, wouldn't you try to do that?
	Policies, as in maybe legally obligating people to perform in a different way for like the outcome of human civilization?
	Not necessarily.
	Like what would be an example of you not doing that?
	So let's say you have a civilization of five people and I don't think it'd be ethical necessarily to force those women to get pregnant if they don't want to by forcing the men to essay those women in order to keep your population going, right?
	Is that a fair explanation?
	Okay, so let's assume then that you would only have to do that for whatever reason inside this hypothetical for a little while.
	Yeah, I'm not a utilitarian in that way, so I would across the board say that that's wrong.
	Even if it prolongs the human species, I don't think women should be forced to give children.
	Even if it would only be for a short amount of time.
	100%.
	Right, so then the human species goes extinct.
	Yes.
	And so under that, is there any other parameters that you would look at for that?
	It's a very hypothetical scenario.
	Yeah, I mean, it is, but it's all designed to test the logic, and at least the logic's consistent.
	So what I'm trying to figure out is which policies and obligations and duties would you be willing to switch around in order to make sure that the human species didn't go extinct?
	So let me give you a counterexample of one.
	So I'll concede on the essay one and just say, okay, fine, for the sake of argument, we'll let this one go.
	Not for the sake of argument, what would you actually say?
	Right?
	Well, I would say that you have a greater obligation.
	To rape, to essay the women.
	If it makes.
	I said essay, I saved myself.
	He said, if it may.
	If the opposition would mean global extinction, right, then I think that almost all people who were either deontologists or utilitarians or any form of ethics would probably say, look, that's not the outcome we want, right?
	It's almost a horrible verbal bullet to bite, but not really, because the alternatives, you're like extinction.
	And I think that that's a worse bullet to bite.
	Why?
	Ultimately, well, because then you have I think the religion is maybe a point of tension because then you have no way to produce any of the values that you're talking about producing to begin with.
	So it doesn't matter what your ethical system is.
	There's nobody around to have an ethical system.
	Okay, sorry.
	So I mean, ultimately, the result of I think most people would rather exist than not exist, even if to exist meant that the life would be slightly worse or worse, I still think that they would prefer to do so.
	And if they didn't, if those three women on this island said, I would rather the meteor hit us or I'd rather we die out than these men essay.
	The question isn't their preferences.
	The question would be the preferences of everybody in front of that.
	So if the human, yeah, if the whole human race is going to die.
	So the women would be morally obligated to let the men essay them for their future descendants to live on.
	Well, how would they be essaying them if they felt a moral obligation?
	They would just let them, right?
	So that wouldn't be essay at that point.
	I'm only trying to respond to the specifics of your hypothetical and engage with the specifics of it.
	But the consequences for both are bad.
	We would just say the consequences of both are not consequences we want to do.
	But what if, so let me ask you a different one then.
	What if you had to just restrict LGBTQ people from being LGBTQ?
	And then that would save the species.
	Would you do it then?
	Nope.
	Nope, you still wouldn't do it?
	No.
	Right.
	But we have totally displayed it.
	Okay, so wait a second.
	Wait a second.
	Hang on.
	Let me say that.
	Sustaining the problem.
	I'm almost done.
	Like banning it, making it illegal.
	Yeah, I'm almost done.
	I'm almost done.
	They still do it.
	It wasn't criminalized.
	Right.
	So you would let the entirety of humanity go extinct to make sure that a form of vice or degeneracy, or in this case, things you don't consider that to be, but just sexual proclivities were allowed to be.
	You'd let the whole species go extinct rather than restrict that.
	Yes.
	Why?
	What is the basis for that?
	Because I think a lot of natural proclivities align with what's good for people.
	So I think is it good for people for the species to cease to exist?
	Yeah.
	There's no people.
	I think it's morally neutral, yeah.
	It's morally neutral if nobody exists.
	It's morally neutral for mankind to be aware of.
	If no one exists, no one exists.
	Like, who care?
	So why should everybody just hold on?
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	I've been asking myself.
	Hold on, guys.
	Guys, stop, stop, stop.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Go ahead.
	The consequence of what you're saying is then why doesn't everybody just non-exist themselves?
	Well, I mean, that's what I usually tell my friends.
	I'm like, well, you either got to live or you're going to kill yourself.
	Like, so don't use that, but just say non-existence.
	Yes.
	Well, just say non-existence.
	Non-existence.
	But think about this.
	You don't actually care about the consequence of that.
	So if everybody did do that, you just don't care.
	Yes.
	And you think that's a superior moral position.
	I don't think either are superior.
	I think some people, I think instinctually, what you were saying, yes, most people have the instinct to like want to live.
	And I think it's funny because I literally asked someone the other day, like, oh, if you were in a zombie attack, like, what would you do?
	And they're like, we'll get right into the zombies.
	We'll get into the zombies.
	We're going to come to the aliens in the second.
	So three men.
	Thank you, Bowman.
	Huh?
	Wait, what?
	I'm not fully.
	I don't think anyone got that phone, man.
	He's saying the Maslovs hierarchy of needs, I think, right?
	But how does that apply?
	But what is the problem?
	He's saying that within the hierarchy of needs, we need people.
	So once we have that, then we'll have all the shelter and we'll have all the this.
	We'll have all the that.
	So, but we would need people to get all of that.
	I think that's what he's getting at.
	I'm not making his argument.
	I'm just saying I think that's what he's getting at.
	Yes.
	I think you're talking about zombies.
	We can talk about that.
	Okay, so basically what I'm saying was I asked him, I was like, what would you do if we had like had a zombie apocalypse?
	Hypothetical, right?
	In my mind, I'm thinking like, you know, go find shelter, go drive out.
	I'm like thinking, right, in the way I'm going to survive.
	And he goes, I would just unalive myself.
	And I was like, what?
	I didn't realize that was an option.
	Some people don't want to be tasked with like the.
	Wait, we talked about this last show.
	Yeah.
	The zombie question.
	Yeah, that was boring.
	I think you said you'd unalive yourself, too.
	I think you said you'd like to.
	But those are two different.
	But so my point was, you're right.
	Most people have.
	Second girl, sorry.
	Oh, yeah.
	Try not to slam the table.
	Most people would have the instinct to like want to live.
	Those are two different things, not unaliving yourself and not replenishing your race.
	I don't know why we're conflating the two.
	I'm talking about replenishing.
	I didn't bring up the zombies.
	Replenishing your race.
	We're just talking, we're talking about humanity in general.
	Yeah, but you're conflating having births to unaliving yourself, and those are completely different things.
	Yeah, but that's because the conversation graduated between the two.
	So I'm not disputing with you that in this case, those are two different topics, but it evolved that way between us talking about the one to the other.
	So that was a heated moment on the whatever podcast.
	What was?
	The zombie talk?
	No, not the zombie talk.
	Yeah, that was pretty dull.
	On the previous episode?
	Sorry, no, you can talk about zombies if you want.
	So do you, I mean, but you think that that's preferable?
	Like, you wouldn't even try?
	See, yeah, my first instinct as a human was to try.
	Like, my instinct wasn't to like give up and like, you know, whatever.
	But then I realized I'm like, if in the theory, we're having a whole apocalypse here.
	And like, why?
	Like, you know, if a meteor is coming down, like, why do I feel the need to get pregnant?
	Like, let's just, if you hit like, I can send it, I'm sending an asteroid too, by the way.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Yep.
	If you had like a 15-year-old cousin that you really loved and came to you and was like, I have six godchildren.
	Yeah, okay.
	15-year-old little cousin.
	And he said, I'm going to unalive myself.
	Would you try to talk him out of it?
	Yes.
	Why?
	To an extent.
	Why?
	I think when you're that young, you need more like context.
	But I think if you get to an age where you're like 30 and you're like, it's 30.
	What about 17?
	Still not developing.
	18?
	We're developed more around like 24, 25.
	You'd have to wait till someone's 25 before you'd allow them to do that.
	I mean, I think.
	Do they have to wait till they're 25 to get married or have sex?
	No.
	No, but this much bigger decision, right?
	You think that these...
	Yo, BoneMan53, I think they're gifted 50 memberships.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, so you think that they're fully capable of figuring out who they want to have sex with, getting married, probably going off and joining the military, whatever they want to do, but they can't make this decision.
	Oh, I don't think even at 18, they should be like the military.
	What about sex?
	Can they have sex at 18?
	Is that fine with you?
	I think so, depending how much the age difference is with the other person.
	Okay, they're the same age.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you don't care, right?
	But if the same 18-year-old came to you and said that they wanted to make this other decision, you think that they're enough of an adult to make this potentially life-changing decision, but not this other potentially life-changing decision?
	So in turn, the life-changing decision would be to like procreate?
	Yeah.
	I guess in one scenario, it feels like it's their choice.
	In the other scenario, it feels like it's being forced upon them.
	No, no, no.
	In this particular case, it's like they choose to have a baby at 18.
	Yeah.
	Or they choose to unalive themselves at 18.
	Both massive, life-changing, forever choices, right?
	And you think the one is okay, but not the other?
	Okay, well, before when they were just having sex, that was one thing.
	But if we're going and bringing a baby in it, no, I don't think you should bring a baby in at 18 either.
	$200.
	Her instinct means to tell her friends to off themselves so that she can plausibly escape the zombies.
	Smart move.
	She is obviously the first dead.
	Oh, no.
	Explain.
	Okay.
	Here, let me move the conversation on.
	Let me move the conversation on a little bit.
	So we have a couple chats here.
	I'm going to get these.
	We have, it's coming up in just a sec, Fortescue.
	Thank you, man.
	Never thought I'd come across someone with just the right amount of brain cells to be a brick.
	Ladies and gentlemen, we found her.
	I think he's talking about Kiki over there with the blue hair.
	All right.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have grid one motorsports here coming up in just a sec.
	Awesome.
	I walk into Dollar General Greta being purposefully obtuse and Destiny's child arguing just to argue going to be fun.
	Sorry, I missed the first bit.
	Hey, grid one.
	Thank you, man.
	Welcome to the stream.
	And then we have Peacecraft here.
	Let's not linger too long on this, but he's got a question here.
	Andrew, ask Farha where rights come from.
	She cannot attack you on deontology while also holding rights are social.
	Six men outvoted women, three women in society.
	This is what democracy looks like.
	I think this is, you guys have had a previous conversation about this.
	Maybe let's not linger too long, but if you guys want to.
	Well, it's going to take, it's going to take a few minutes of lingering if we get into it.
	Do you think more than 10 minutes?
	I think we can probably get it done.
	Less than 10 minutes?
	Okay.
	We'll try to get it done in 10 minutes.
	So he's asking the first fundamental question, which is where do rights come from?
	Okay, I think we've gotten into this a little bit in terms of women's suffrage.
	Oh, wait.
	Is that TOS?
	Women's suffrage?
	No, women's suffrage.
	No, no, no, no.
	Like talking about.
	We're not going to say repeal the technology or any of that.
	Go ahead.
	I do agree with you that rights are ultimately decided by the culture at large and who decides to give it.
	Obviously, we had a point of contention about whether that means that women's rights are ultimately laughable since men are the stronger gender and can ultimately overpower them and stuff like that.
	I'll still disagree with that.
	I don't know if that necessarily applies to the hypothetical we were just engaging with.
	They weren't really talking about rights.
	And I'm happy to get back to that too.
	But what he's saying is he's saying there's no real way for you to attack the worldview if you think that rights are just kind of socially constructed, which I would agree with you they are.
	They're socially constructed entitlements that have to be limited by duties and obligations.
	That's what they are.
	You would agree with me that that's basically what they are.
	Like you can't have it.
	Okay.
	So if the society comes through this through its deontological worldview or like universal ethics, you don't really have anything to argue.
	And if they come through it through utilitarian means, you don't really have anything to argue.
	That's what his point is.
	That's what I think he's trying to say.
	So then if you bring that chat back up, I'll read the other part and see if I can figure out exactly what he's after here.
	Ask Farha where rights come from.
	She cannot attack you on deontology while also holding rights are social.
	Six men outvoted women, three women in society.
	This is what democracy looks like.
	Right.
	So he's saying, so if we're back on the island and we have a democracy and six men are able to outvote the women, the women are like, I don't want to be SA'd.
	And the six men are like, but we want to SA you.
	Yeah, they could do it.
	I think we were more discussing what they ought to do.
	But they're saying it's morally wrong for them to do it.
	Is there a different example we can use besides the essay?
	That's what he's pointing to in his question.
	That's how I brought it up.
	A different, you know.
	Yeah.
	Maybe not that essay, but like it could be like.
	Okay, so maybe we'll just use some kind of thing.
	There's like one thing.
	We'll just call it the thing.
	Do the thing.
	Or is it like pizza?
	Maybe there's pizza.
	So do the thing.
	We'll do the thing.
	I personally would prefer if it was pizza.
	Yeah, and you were personally asking me whether I think that's right to do, not whether I think that's congruent with some other substructure of rights.
	Well, yeah, what I'm asking you is.
	You were saying, would it be good for those politicians to create those policies?
	And I said, well, what do you think of this micro example?
	And then you kind of conceded, okay, that's a bit unethical to whatever ethical framework you want.
	I would say it's not preferable, but if I had to, I would do it.
	So I would still say that that's better than the alternative.
	Better than the alternative, if that was different than the tone you had, which brought up the example, which is that you think we should be doing this and that would be ultimately the best thing to do, which is create policies that create a situation in which the human race is sustained.
	And that's a completely different tone than saying, ah, that'd be a bit preferable.
	No, You're complaining two different things.
	So the first is into the hypothetical of the island.
	That's the one where I would say this is not something I would like, but it's preferable to the other side.
	Is it a tropical island or is it like an island?
	So that's near Great Britain and it's kind of like a message.
	Okay, so my point was I see that as a direct microcosm of the type of society you're trying to create in which you're saying maybe we should have policies on LTI.
	That doesn't mean anything.
	On promiscuity.
	No, no, no.
	That's not even an argument.
	You can't.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	I haven't even finished.
	Well, because you said you started this with a total strength, that this thing here that you answered to, I see as a microcosm to a society you're advocating for, that doesn't follow.
	So you have to start like this instead.
	You can say, you can agree with me and say, okay, you're right.
	Your alternative to this.
	You know, I don't find that preferable.
	You find it preferable, whatever, right?
	But there's no microcosm to that.
	And the, I would make or promote in society that people got married young so that they had more children in society.
	How would those be a microcosm?
	Because I saw the summary of your argument as this, that the ultimate good should be prolonging the human race and politicians should be creating policies which create that situation in which the human race is being replenished at a high rate if that includes suppressing female promiscuity, suppressing homosexuality.
	So then I said, if that's the ultimate goal, let's change up the structure of the society a little bit.
	We're on an island where no women want to have sex.
	Okay, so no women want to reproduce and birth children.
	Now, do you think it's congruent?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, no, it's still not, but it's closer.
	Can you explain why?
	I'm trying to.
	It's closer, right?
	But your problem is this, is that what is your actual argument here against me having the value first of humanity over LGBTQ?
	So if humanity could not exist with LGBTQ, what you have stated is that then it should die out.
	I stated that I'm prioritizing autonomy over a utilitarian conception of prolonging the human race.
	Right, but what could you think of?
	I can't actually think of a single example that I would say.
	Like, for instance, if women couldn't, couldn't in society get like gangbanged by five dudes, okay?
	That's still just a like sexual activity.
	Would you prefer that society be wiped out completely or that women be allowed to do that?
	Can you rephrase?
	Wait, you're saying either we criminalize catalogs.
	Yeah, if we were to criminalize, you can no longer get gangbanged by five guys.
	Why are the examples always related to like, is there any example?
	Is this not a show about sex?
	I don't understand.
	Why are you appearing on this?
	This is almost like a sex.
	Okay, so if it is five dudes, though, if you criminalize that, would the preference be that humanity goes extinct rather than criminalizing that women cannot get gangbanged by five dudes?
	If getting gangbed leads to people getting wiped out.
	Yeah.
	I think if you have no other objection to the gangbang other than it wipes people out.
	Go ahead, sorry, sorry.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	If you could draw like a line between how this is affecting other things, like when we have laws on things in terms of health and stuff like that, then I think that's a bit different.
	Like I said, I'm going to be a moral absolutist about this.
	I do prioritize autonomy over prolonging the human race.
	I think if that's what fulfills people and it's not hurting other people and any other type of metric, I'm going to prioritize that.
	So this would be the case for all forms of sexuality or autonomy that you can possibly do.
	I mean, you chose something that's going to have that gestural reaction to the future.
	Yeah, if that style, but the point is, right, is that if these policies or these things led to the extinction of humanity, you don't actually care because it's more important inside of your worldview for the hedonism right now.
	No, I didn't say hedonism.
	I said autonomy.
	What about this?
	Either everyone's wiped out or everyone lives in cages.
	They have food given to them once a day.
	You know what I mean?
	They're living based on.
	Who's giving them the food?
	I don't know.
	Dogs, but that's not the point.
	Well, then your hypothetical is not logically valid.
	Why?
	Was the island valid?
	What kind of dogs?
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, it's a hypothetical.
	It's imaginary.
	A hypothetical style.
	Okay, sorry.
	There's one person.
	Okay, there's one person who's caged all the other people.
	I don't know who's caged them.
	Just imagine either everyone's in cages and one person or a robot, because, you know, we're in technological age.
	Yeah.
	One man 538 donated $199.
	Procreation is inherently a sexual actor in art form, so it's Sardimo that the females think they can have heteropaternal, superfic, undated twins and don't need the men thoughts on virgin birth.
	Anyway.
	Well, hold on.
	Thoughts on virgin birth?
	What?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you, Bowman.
	Yeah, so either a military robot is feeding everyone in cages or...
	Brian.
	I don't control it.
	It's automatic.
	No, I don't trigger it.
	Andrew's nice phrase is like, your problem, I'm not nice.
	Your problem is you equate one body over another.
	Does a pregnant woman have a blank when preg without a boy?
	If not, how is that her body?
	Wait, what?
	How many genital?
	Oh, okay.
	It must have, does a pregnant woman have a penis when pregnant with, okay.
	Is it?
	Is this directed to you?
	I'm not even paying attention to this.
	I don't know what this is.
	Be nice, Vara.
	Be nice.
	Okay, sorry.
	Okay, it's gone.
	Okay, military robot.
	I'm just asking about bodily autonomy.
	Yeah, that's okay.
	Is that a separate?
	Is that no?
	I'm trying to stay on track for the flow of your show.
	Okay.
	Military robot feeds everyone in cages or human beings.
	Military robot.
	What is your contribution here?
	Sorry, sorry.
	Okay, I am kind of.
	No, no, no.
	Let's hear it.
	No, speak.
	No, I was like, which military?
	But that's totally relevant.
	You're fair.
	He's just having fun with it.
	I'm just having a little fun.
	Go ahead.
	You want to add in a zombie?
	Maybe it's a zombie robot.
	Maybe it's a zombie feeding everyone.
	So military robots can feed everybody inside of cages.
	And if we don't feed them all inside of cages, that'll be the end of humanity.
	No, I'm drawing a direct parallel to your example of either we eliminate gangbangs or the human race is wiped out.
	Either everyone's living in cages or humanity is wiped out.
	I'm just trying to show you the way I perceive autonomy.
	And maybe you might think because you added in these degenerate activities that that no longer, you know what I mean?
	It entails two thresholds.
	It's actually a threshold breaker.
	Let me explain what I mean.
	Thank you, Bill Man.
	So if we walk this, if we walk this backwards, let's say I agree with you and I go, okay, you know, if everybody's living in cages, you're right.
	I'm not willing to draw the line there.
	Okay.
	Let's just say I say that.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, I think that maybe that's not preferable to all of humanity going extinct, right?
	But I think that I could walk that back to a place where there could be activities where I would look at them and be like, well, I mean, if we outlaw those activities, why, you know what I mean?
	It doesn't seem like it's, it seems like the alternative of humanity going extinct if we don't is much worse.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Obviously, I know you understand a hypothetical.
	The point of it was to try and deduce what your actual moral statement is from it.
	So you do prior to the extent of the state.
	Yeah, but you already understand what the value is.
	But what I'm asking is that.
	So I'm asking you, do you then prioritize autonomy over prolonging the human race?
	So let's say that within the Christian purview, I would say mostly, always yes.
	But there could be some conditionals in which I would say no, just like there would be some conditionals for you.
	Which is that the conditionals that I give you are much more obvious in society right this second.
	And so if the conditional inside of the society right this second, you look at it and go, people, 3% of humanity must be able to be involved in LGBTQ relationships.
	Can we just kick Destiny's wannabe child already?
	Her nonsensical circular arguments are beyond old.
	Also ignoring the questions of people donating is poor form, show her the door.
	They just throw on these buzzwords of circular.
	And nothing they've pointed out that I've said is circular.
	Well, almost all arguments are how about far?
	Let's do this.
	The TTS that just came in previously.
	Huh?
	Oh no, I thought you were going to say you're going to kick me for them.
	No, no, no.
	Does a pregnant woman.
	So he said, your problem is you equate one body over another.
	Does a pregnant woman have a penis when pregnant with a boy?
	If not, how is that her body?
	That's not my question.
	That's his.
	I'm so dialed into this conversation.
	Can you say that one more time?
	Okay, does a pregnant woman have a penis when pregnant with a boy?
	If not, how is that her body?
	Is that related, Andrew, sort of to this?
	Am I being dense?
	I don't understand the question.
	Yeah, well, pull the question up on the screen.
	It's this one.
	Andrew's nice phrase.
	This is saying, your problem is you equate one body.
	How does that sentence even make sense?
	Equate one body over another?
	Okay, so this is how he ties it in.
	Does a pregnant woman have a penis?
	Oh, okay.
	How did you know that?
	With a boy.
	I know that's it.
	Oh, you can see it without the sensor.
	Okay, so I see.
	So what he's asking then is like, I think that this is what's being asked.
	I don't know.
	I don't know for sure, but I think that what he's asking is if you had to outlaw being The T part of the LGBT.
	If just that part, and for some reason that part led to humanity going extinct, would you stop that from happening?
	I wouldn't.
	And again, I think that's completely consistent.
	It sounds extreme, but I think this is all completely consistent.
	Like what?
	I mean, you could say it's consistent, but you know, it actually would be consistent too.
	It's not inconsistent for you to have a threshold breaker either.
	For you to have a threat.
	I'm curious what yours is because you keep saying you have one, but you haven't yet to detail it.
	Well, you would have to outline.
	You'd have to outline every single scenario that I could ever think of.
	Okay, so cages.
	And in this case, I give you really easy ones.
	Cages, no, gangbangs, yes.
	T, yes.
	Oh, no.
	Sexual cages, I would still say that that's preferable to extinction because that's a temporary condition.
	Here, let's switch things up a little bit.
	If time permitting, if we can maybe get back into it later on in the show.
	I do really want to come back to what I think kind of stoked this initially.
	It sounded like Myra.
	Mira.
	Sorry, my bad.
	You're against, you're not a fan of monogamy.
	I don't want to misquote you, but you're not in favor of monogamy?
	Or what's your position?
	I think monogamy should be a personal choice.
	There shouldn't be any pressure for whatever a person may think is best of an outcome in the future because that's so subjective, and none of us really know what's going to happen because there's so many factors leading to it.
	So there's no point of putting those psychological cages on people or presentation.
	I mean, couldn't you argue, for example, like having monogamy, as Andrew kind of already pointed out and articulated, nuclear family monogamy, that's what's best for society.
	Nobody knows what's best for society.
	Well, I mean, do you know that?
	So, wait, you said nobody knows what's best for society.
	Would that include you?
	Yes.
	So, how do you know that nobody knows what's best for society?
	What I know is that there's no reason to pressure people psychologically to do or not do something if they're not hurting anyone.
	That's ridiculous.
	You do it all the time, right?
	You believe that there's going to be a certain outcome in the future, and you're trying to predict it because that assertiveness is actually concerning.
	You don't know.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let's say you're driving down the street, you drive a car.
	I do.
	Okay.
	You blow through a stop sign.
	Have you hurt anybody?
	Well, I would be breaking the law.
	Have you hurt anybody?
	Have I heard anybody?
	Have you hurt anybody by blowing the stop sign and not stopping?
	If you don't get in a crash, if there are no people, then I guess I didn't hurt anyone.
	Right, you didn't hurt anybody.
	Do you think people should do that?
	No, because that would be against the law.
	No, well, okay, well, let's just assume for a second that we're talking about what's moral, and that's what we're talking about: what's moral, not what's lawful.
	You would agree there's all kinds of laws which could be passed which are immoral, right?
	Like if I passed a law saying you can no longer be a member of the LGBTQ, you would consider that an immoral law, right?
	Well, this is what I'm saying.
	This type of thinking is what we should be avoiding because I think we should be engaging with it.
	So let me finish real quick.
	So we're talking about a moral conundrum here.
	When that person blew through that stop sign, okay, he didn't hurt anybody.
	Nobody got killed, nothing like this, right?
	Did he do anything wrong?
	He broke the law.
	Yeah, but what did he do that's morally wrong?
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	He didn't do anything morally incorrect.
	Even though he wasn't thinking about anybody else, right?
	He wasn't really living up to whatever his obligations or duty were for you.
	He didn't do anything at all morally incorrect.
	Even though it could have led to this thing, it just didn't, right?
	This is what we're talking about here.
	So, this is why when you say to me, you say, Andrew, listen, when you bring this up and you say, well, all that matters is that nobody's being hurt.
	Well, I can give you all kinds of actions where people aren't hurt, but you should probably still be against those actions, right?
	Would a better example than the stop sign one be drunk driving?
	Like, you can drunk drive, but not actually get into a crash or hurt anybody.
	I mean, it's it's an infinite amount of examples that we could come up with, right?
	Yeah, but the point is that being LGBT is not against the law.
	Fuck, this is like the most fucking thing.
	It still is in some places.
	Well, no, no, nothing we've touched on.
	Okay, so pick up.
	We can back up from that, yeah.
	That's fine.
	We haven't done body counts.
	We could get into body count, but um, the whole thing with monogamy.
	But you were saying that we don't know if that's better for society.
	We really don't know how nuclear family play out.
	Maybe there's going to be other species that will take over, and from their point of view, that would be best.
	Huh?
	Wait, other species that are going to take over?
	Do you want to talk about aliens?
	Yeah.
	Isn't this the time?
	Well, I'm like dolphins, which species do you think is like if you had the top three species that are the risk for us, what where do you put it?
	Like, I think honey badgers are like number one, number two.
	I love cheetahs.
	I'm going to bet on cheetahs.
	Cheetahs are going to, okay.
	They're sexy and so fast.
	Cheetahs okay.
	But like you can't even, if I were to say, for example, that nuclear family, monogamy, that's what's best for society.
	Do you disagree?
	Now, bear in mind, I'm not saying that everybody within the society needs to, there can be individuals that choose to not get married or have kids, but if a majority of people it would be the best for society for the vast majority of people to be monogamous and for there to be nuclear families.
	I think based on what I've observed recently going on in the world, I'm worried about a man trying to impose his or her ideology because he or she believes it's best, and then people suffering because of that, whether it's physical or psychological.
	I think we should be avoiding that at any cost.
	So you think we should avoid suffering at any cost?
	I think I made it clear what I just said.
	Should I repeat that?
	Well, I'm looking for which of the value claims is important.
	So is it the suffering that's important?
	You want people to avoid suffering?
	I feel like there's so much suffering that is unnecessary that's going on in the world right now.
	And it's very sad.
	I don't know if I should go into that because it's political.
	I love politics.
	What's going on?
	No, it's more so I'm going to stop right there.
	Well, okay, but so my position is that monogamy, when it comes, look, I'm not saying that everybody has to be monogamous, but just for the best of society, if there's how much Butler donated $200.
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	Always with the herpes.
	I'm talking about how condoms do not protect from genital herpes.
	He's a probably has it already.
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	Thank you, Jay Butler.
	That was poetic.
	Okay.
	So do you think, would you agree that it's better for society for people to be monogamous?
	At this time, no.
	Why?
	Because it's best if we have a freedom of choice.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	There's still freedom of choice.
	I'm not saying I'm advocating that there be laws passed that would force people to be monogamous.
	But as the overall, if we're just asking the consequence, we're saying you keep everything how it is.
	Everybody has the same rights.
	But if people move towards monogamy, do you end up with a better society than if people don't go towards monogamy?
	That's a tough question.
	Really?
	Sometimes when I look around.
	That's really a tough question.
	It really is.
	Yeah.
	Are you, are you, go ahead, go ahead.
	Are you going to say, because there are certainly instances where even within monogamous relationships, those monogamous relationships don't work out or there's divorce?
	There's so many downsides to that.
	Exactly.
	Like, people really do feel the pressure, whether it's a male or a female, to be in that relationship and their health goes down.
	What's the best health goes up?
	It very much depends on the relationship because, like I said, they get stuck in toxic ones.
	So their psychological and physical health deteriorates.
	I feel like people grab towards monogamy because it's easier, just in general, and that's maybe why it's better for society.
	In a polyamorous relationship or just like have it like having multiple partners, whatever it is that you're into, there's much more communication and honesty that has to go than being in a monogamous relationship.
	Can we move on from this BS?
	Also, Brian, we can totally see you playing solitaire in the reference.
	I played it for like three minutes.
	This is three minutes.
	I was just having a little fun moment there.
	Were you actually?
	Yeah, I was playing Solitaire for like three minutes.
	I was still listening.
	I was multi-discussing.
	It's just yeah, but what about you then?
	Do you think that society is better off?
	Let's say that we kept all of my rights in place, right?
	Just generally speaking, you think society is better off.
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	Brixon will cancel, but panel, do you support Israel or terrorists?
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	But thank you for the.
	Do you want to respond to him, though?
	I mean, yes.
	You thought it was directed towards Brixon.
	Well, no, the first part of it.
	He said he'd still simp for you because you're hot AF.
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	Wait, okay, I totally lost track.
	What my question was.
	I was asking.
	Does monogamy imply getting married?
	Not the same necessarily.
	No, not necessarily.
	Okay.
	Let me ask you.
	Oh, I remember my question.
	So let's say there's a household with children.
	What do you think would be the best parental relationship for children?
	What's the relationship circumstances?
	Between the parents.
	I mean, is it like monogamy?
	Like, I every day wish my parents would get a divorce and was like, oh my God.
	And then one day my best friend's parents got a divorce and it was like the end of the world for her.
	Yeah, but do you think it's what he's asking is, is it optimal, do you think, for most parents, most, most, to be man and a woman in a loving relationship inside of a household?
	Do you think that that's mostly superior to like a single mom situation for every economy?
	Is it mostly superior?
	Like at all times, is it mostly superior to the alternative?
	I guess two questions.
	Wait, wait, just one clarification.
	Is it most optimal for the family unit, for the children?
	And is it most optimal for society at large, broadly speaking?
	I think if there's no abuse and like things of that nature, then yeah, it's optimal.
	Well, there could be abuse in other kind of arrangements like polyamorous relationships in all arrangements.
	Okay, well, if we're spanning to all the arrangements.
	So, okay, so then what's the question?
	Well, let's just assume that, yeah, there could be a large subset of otherwise healthy relationships and some of them might be unhealthy.
	But that would also apply to all other kind of arrangements that people have, whether it's poly or whether it's.
	But I thought we were just talking about monogamy.
	Well, we are, but that.
	Having a monogamous relationship, two parents stay together for the kids is the better choice.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if there's not, like, like I said, if there's not abuse going on, then yeah, I would say just in general, it's always like having someone else to help cook or clean or is that what you think the value is?
	Is just the material value, or is there an immaterial value that's also used?
	I think there can be immaterial value, but like masculinity and femininity and all of the different things that these non-interchangeable widgets known as man and woman bring to the table when it comes to raising a child?
	I mean, yeah, we could throw all that in there, but I'm also like bisexual and wouldn't mind raising kids with a female or by myself.
	Yeah, but do you think that that's an optimal arrangement versus having a man and a woman raise the child?
	Like, what do you think is the most conducive thing for the most part?
	So we're not talking about everything.
	I don't know, because I have two, like, what I call two gay dads, and they raise a bunch of kids.
	So if we're, it's kind of, aren't we going homosexual, heterosexual?
	Does that matter?
	Are we just saying two people around?
	No, Hold on.
	For the sake of the conversation, let's not introduce this other paradigm when it comes to sexuality.
	Let's fix monogamy.
	We're obligated to treat others as we'd like to do.
	Yeah, thank you, Saint Raisin.
	Cooperation is vital to the human population continuing.
	That's true.
	Agreed.
	Agreed.
	So, okay, so it doesn't, in this monogamous relationship, it doesn't matter if they're gay, straight, bi, whatever.
	We're just saying a monogamy.
	Let's just keep it to monogamy, yes.
	Okay.
	Then, yeah, I think it's optimal to have two people around to help with, you know, it takes a village to raise a child.
	In that theory, I think it is optimal.
	Is there other benefits?
	Yes.
	Okay, go ahead, Parr.
	I think the whole point is it's supposed to align with your proclivity.
	So if you coerce someone who naturally is lesbian or gay into a monogamous situation, maybe they're more likely to cheat, and that's going to disrupt the family home and affect, you know, have adverse outcomes for the child.
	So it'd be better for those people who have those traits, whether it's homosexuality or polyamory, to not enter those situations.
	But I think you're saying even if people do have that proclivity to fuck other men or fuck 10 women, they should still enter monogamy.
	I want to keep it strictly to monogamy.
	I don't want to introduce.
	But then what's the alternative?
	What are you pitting monogamy against in the situation?
	You can't be heterosexual, homosexual couples, they can both be monogamous.
	I want to keep it strictly on.
	I thought we were talking about like one man, one woman, like femininity, masculinity.
	Monogamy, he would say, whether you're pagan or homosexual, whatever, they can all enter into monogamous relationships.
	Yeah, they can.
	I guess I thought you were talking.
	Were you not talking about female-male monogamy?
	I was talking about optimal.
	The question was just strictly monogamy.
	Okay.
	So even if it's two guys or two girls, you think that as long as they're monogamous, that's optimal.
	That would be better than a guy and a girl.
	Be okay.
	That would be better than if it was like a household where there were like sister wives, there were like five men and they were all raising, or like five women, or three men, three women, like some polyamorous.
	So I think it would be better for it to be monogamous.
	On to your point of like femininity and masculinity because, just curious, because you're also talking about homosexuality like, do you think that you need like feminine and masculine in a home to raise a healthy child?
	No matter, like do you is that what you're saying?
	Also that, like you generally see some, generally speaking, it's a more optimal arrangement.
	Yes, now here I kind of demonstrate this to you.
	You would agree with me that every human being on planet earth has a mother and a father, right?
	Yeah well, do you think that, considering that humanity has thrived for as long as it has, that there's a possibility that that arrangement is maybe the best arrangement for why that has happened, for why women and men make, why everyone has a mom and dad?
	No, not why everybody has a mom and a dad, but the arrangement of having a mom and a dad seems to have led to humans thriving and the mom and dad clearly have a vested interest in the child right, they clearly have a vested interest in the child in that particular configuration.
	I mean yeah, I mean there's a lot of people who don't stick around to raise their kids.
	So I think yeah, but those are all.
	Those are outliers, those are exceptions to the rule, right?
	Yes yeah, so there's a lot of them.
	So that might be, but I would make the argument that that's increasing because the amount of what I call social degeneracy is increasing.
	So behaviors like that, people are more apt to engage in them because of a lack of stigma and social shaming in society.
	So but, do you think the government has anything to play in that?
	I want to move this on.
	Okay um, all right, so hold on, let's.
	Uh, Jesus Christ okay um, hold on.
	Uh wait, let me see.
	Sorry guys, i'm just getting getting my notes caught up here.
	I don't know what it or what i'm not supposed to be moving into.
	I feel like I keep on moving into something that i'm not supposed to, but i'm not sure what it is.
	Uh, it's.
	I feel like we're kind of I don't know huh in the weeds.
	No, not that.
	Um here, let me move things on.
	Uh Haley, I got some questions for you, getting into some of your notes.
	Um yes, in your pre-show notes to us, you described yourself as a socialist yes, with an interest in traditional values.
	Communism you okay nick, and communism, nick.
	You okay yeah okay um, you said okay sorry, go ahead.
	You said, interest in communism communism, but also like some traditional values communism yeah oh, come on.
	No no no, well.
	You said okay well, that see, I I don't.
	That's why I say socialist, because I'm still like full doing my deep dive into communism.
	But I think if communism worked how it was actually supposed to work and not how, like we've had the red scare and how people in history have painted out communism to be, then yeah, I think communism would be a great concept if we could do it properly.
	A stateless society um, to to a degree, it's just everyone helping everyone, everyone having homes, everybody being able to like have some kind of food water shelter clothes, like.
	I feel like the recklessness that you've been kind of referring to is part of it is like people like stealing, because not because they want to steal and because they want to be reckless, but they want to resell the stolen merch so that they could buy their baby diapers or afford formula, and so I agree to a degree.
	Some of the reckless behavior is going up, but I think also part of that is there's people that do want monogamous, the nuclear family thing, but we can't afford it in this economy, the way like inflation's going.
	It's like there was an article that was like, millennials don't want this, they want to downsize, they want to this.
	I, we would like marriage, we would like not everyone, but there is, but the government and society hasn't set us up like that.
	So I mean, if you're into this whole procreation thing and like that's like very important to you, wouldn't communism like make sense, because everyone would have everything they need and therefore we would could focus on procreation?
	So the problem with this is you're making a materialist argument okay, and so let me, let me just walk you through it.
	What you're saying is, right now we have the best standard of living that we've ever had in history.
	There's more materialism available to anybody than there ever has been.
	We have cell phones and we have big screen tvs and we have these great cameras and we have all this electricity and these light bulbs and all the clothes and all the new cars and all of this and all of that.
	If we just added more materialism, wouldn't people have children if we evened it out?
	I not, I don't even.
	I'm not even thinking about that.
	I'm thinking, just like, the minimum wage yeah, but right.
	But all these people have all of these things already intact.
	They already have the houses, they already have the money, they already have the everything.
	They're still not having the children of them do they do?
	And there's the.
	You want to know who has the children?
	The people who don't have that?
	The poor people, the people have no money, people have no housing, the people who live poor those are the ones that have the most amount of children.
	Poor people disproportionate, overwhelmingly have more children than all the rest of the segments of society.
	A lot of that has to do with lack of resources though, which could be government funded.
	So then it can't be a material answer.
	So it can't be a material answer to my question of when you say, if you want people to reproduce, shouldn't you give them more material means, like well, every time I look at the people who have the least amount of material remeans, they reproduce the most, the not even material means.
	Well, if they're that, I don't understand how they have the most material means, but they're also the poorest, because i'm not talking about material means, i'm just talking about no no no, the least, I said the least.
	So they have the least amount of material means and Still reproduce the most, even though they have the least amount of materialism.
	So that's not going to help me with my goal.
	Okay.
	So, what you want, though, is when you say I want a fair allocation of resource, I want people to have, I don't even know what you have what you want them to have because every communist is different.
	So, let's just say, like, I'm going to be as maximum charitable as I can possibly be to you.
	Everyone gets a house, okay?
	Like, I don't know, a starter home.
	I'm guessing you don't want everybody to have a mansion, right?
	No, everyone, basic house.
	Everyone has enough house for all their people.
	And they have basic things being taken care of for them, right?
	Clothes, water, food, electricity.
	Now, the fundamentals to this, the big problem you have with this worldview, is when even though you think of rights in a different way than I do, using your kind of reasoning for what a right is, do you ever have a right to anybody else's service?
	No.
	Well, then communism can't work.
	And free health care can't work.
	And none of those things can work because you're saying you don't have a right to the services of others.
	I could understand that.
	And recently, though, I was reading about this village in Italy, and it's a communist village, and around roughly only 30% of them choose to work, and the other 70% like just live their lives.
	So they like kind of just live together, whatever, but not everyone works and serves, but doesn't mean that their life is less valuable.
	Yeah, but the question becomes this.
	Let's say in some small scales, different communes can work because they always have been able to, right?
	You can have a bunch of like-minded people start a commune and all of them work towards the common good.
	No money, no nothing.
	Nobody's saying that that can't work in a small scale because everybody's agreeing.
	But on a large scale, when you have people who don't agree, they're like, wait, I don't want to be your doctor.
	Doc Venerbilius donated $200.
	You communist idiot.
	Everything you said is exactly what people lack in communist countries.
	If you really want to be a red, you are free to go live like the army right now.
	Like a redneck?
	Yeah, well, he's saying a red, like, communist red.
	Wait, what are your thoughts on capitalism?
	You like it?
	Do you mind if I just finish this?
	I'm almost done.
	Yeah, no, no, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	We're very close to being finished with this.
	So the thing is, is that if you can't compel other people to give you service, if you have the best heart surgeons and you have the best at breast augmentation, whatever it is, right?
	And they say, I'm not doing that shit for you.
	I'm not going to go open up that guy's heart and I'm not going to fix it.
	I'm not doing it, right?
	You don't feel like you can compel him to do it, right?
	So then he's going to be able to name his price and your communism doesn't work.
	That's the big hole.
	The big hole is that the reason you always see communist countries, which are completely and totally authoritarian, run at the literal barrel of a gun is because they have to compel people to give their service.
	And if you're not willing to do that, you can't have communism.
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	It's like that's not what I think true communism is.
	And I'm not saying communism would work in America.
	I definitely don't think, I mean, maybe one day that would take a lot of whatever, but I don't think we're going to ever get there, especially in our generation.
	But I do think that if it happened, it would be like a utopia, which is hard to imagine everybody like somehow having their part or just making the flow of everything work so everyone can live and choose whether they want to work or not work.
	But wait, so in a communist utopia, what would be the like if you want to work, you can work.
	If you don't, you don't have to do that.
	What about like, because there's certainly jobs that are currently under capitalism that are undesirable, and I suspect those same jobs would also exist under communism.
	Like there's some jobs that suck, right, that are dangerous.
	Who wants to go do the sewer work, in other words, in your communist utility?
	I mean, people get up and do it.
	They do it now because they get paid a lot of money.
	They have a higher incentive than other people who do other industries because let's say a horrible job, get paid a lot for it.
	Under communism, you can either be like, would there be like movie stars under communism?
	I don't know.
	I haven't thought that far.
	What do you want to do?
	But let's say I want to be a movie star under communism.
	But there's also a job that requires men to go into the sewers and or be line workers, go into below-freezing storms.
	Movie star.
	But wouldn't everybody want to be a movie star versus having an undesirable job?
	Even for a hypothetical situation like this, I feel like that's more like exaggerated because at some point people just be movie stars.
	You would not last a week in the breadlines.
	No communism for you.
	Socialism has failed or is failing in every society.
	The claim it just has not been done right is horse hockey.
	Fair.
	I have a point.
	And I guess I can't ask your opinion on this, but what if you, in the communist utopia that you're speaking about, what if you had to be the line worker?
	Like, I think that's where it kind of falls apart, right?
	Because nobody would choose to do that.
	I'm personally like retired.
	So if it's like, if it's kind of like one of those one guys for a thousand, then I personally am probably one of those people that would be.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	That's why, that's like Mao.
	But that's a very rare thing.
	So Malgo is an easy.
	But I'm saying there's more people that's got to exist like this.
	He says this country really needs trenches dug in a big way.
	It needs some infrastructure work.
	We have too many of those academics.
	We don't need them anymore.
	So all those people who wanted to be academics and were academics, the really smart people, he made them dig ditches because that's what they needed.
	That's what they needed in their society for that's what he said anyway.
	Okay.
	This is what we need.
	So you academics, you dumb eggheads, all you people come up with all these smart ideas, dig ditches.
	Yeah, dig some holes.
	So, but the thing is, it's like, I think it's a little easier to speak in that, in a hypothetical situation though.
	But we're also, I know you, I get you're a good sport, but like, would you actually, We also live under capitalism.
	So for us to try to really like rationalize doing these things under communism is crazy because we live with the freedom to like choose.
	Yeah, but that's like speaking about any places, like places that have been like remotely untouched by society where like they don't clock into jobs and they just, the women have babies.
	They like someone's a cook, someone's a nurse, someone's a midwife.
	Like there's societies where that's like no one's forcing this person to like be the nurse or be the medicine man or whatever.
	But people speaking from like a place where we can go out and like, we know there's people who make like $30,000 a month or whatever.
	We're speaking from like a very, of course we wouldn't be able to rationalize communism.
	For you, under communism, would someone who requires significant educational achievement, academic achievement, for example, somebody who wants to be a brain surgeon, would they somehow live better under communism than the person that doesn't want to do anything?
	Or would it, it would be totally equal because then what is the incentive to like, or let's say a physically laborious job, which is damaging to your body, what would be the incentive if you had the option to not work to go spend this time.
	Some people just like helping other people.
	Is that a good idea?
	And I know that's like the most cliche.
	Yeah.
	It's hard because in this society, like people want something out of it.
	I asked my dad, will you go to therapy?
	He goes, what's in it for me?
	Like, you know, that like society is, especially in America, like, well, what am I going to get out of it?
	But I truly believe with my corny little heart that there's people out there that just want to be like, I'll help my neighbor or, you know, I'll do the right thing.
	Don't they do that now then?
	We still have a choice.
	Yeah, but do they do that now?
	Because if they do that now, then what do you need communism for anyway?
	If that's just the natural inclination of everybody to do what's nice and afford to do the right thing, I think more people would.
	But sometimes doing the right thing isn't always affordable.
	What?
	Who can't afford to do the right thing?
	Like, not everyone can afford to give the homeless man change, or not everyone can, like, give someone a sweatshirt off their back.
	But if you can't afford to give a homeless man change, and so you don't, you haven't done the wrong thing.
	So the thing is, when you're talking, we're talking about the right thing.
	You're saying, I just believe in my heart that basically everybody really wants to do the right thing.
	Yes.
	Then in capitalism, is everybody basically doing the right thing?
	One motorsports donated $200.
	Under communism, no free college, no free speech, no free anything.
	No idea why people think communism is somehow going to be this existence where they do nothing they do not want to grow the F up.
	Yeah, I'm just saying the people's nature shouldn't change between communism and capitalism.
	What would be the change in the nature?
	Survival changes.
	Literally, like I've been homeless before, and when I've been homeless, my instinct that's increasing, increasing day by day.
	And there's people that don't even have $500 in their bank account for a rainy day.
	Wait, I've got a question.
	I've got a question.
	You guys all have, what's going on?
	Oh, it's just hard for me to sit for such a long time in back office.
	Nickelodeon donated $200.
	One day in my communist utopia, Jennifer Lawrence would be my wife.
	And you women would stop saying such absurd things.
	And Myra would grab Brixon by the hair and throw him against the wall.
	Oh.
	One day.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Nickelodeon, thank you very much.
	There's another one that's about to come in, so I'm just waiting for it.
	It's just one after the other.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you, Grid One.
	Thank you, Modest Hakama.
	That's about to.
	Oh, Flame Life.
	Thanks for the gifted five memberships.
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	Modest Hikima donated $200.
	Do you really think you would thrive under calm panel when on a third date and I ask what is your view on the conflict in the Middle East?
	What is your answer?
	If Brixon redirects, he loves Hamas.
	I mean, I don't think anyone would survive under current communism in other countries and how we've painted out communism to be.
	And conflict in the Middle East is different to everybody, you know.
	I think there's a way that there's a neutral, weirdly, a neutral side.
	I have friends that are very free Palestine, and I have friends that will like take a bullet for Israel and I can somehow land in the middle.
	So question for you.
	So in communism, and look, I'm not, this is not a topic I'm particularly well versed in, but in communism, would there, let's say nobody wanted to do a certain job, would there be an authority that would force people to do a certain job?
	Like, let's say there was a necessary job that just had to be done.
	I think by nature, people would eventually see how bad the problem's getting and then bond together to fix it if it really got that bad.
	But what if nobody wanted to become a brain surgeon or something?
	Well, I mean, in the middle of the day, St. Razi donated $200.
	Oh, thank you, St. Razi.
	As much as I tried to fight it, I'm no match for you.
	You've won my heart now and forever.
	Okay.
	Thank you, St. Razi.
	Appreciate it.
	oh we have grid one coming in here um wait oh question related to hold on it's grid grid one's about to come uh Nick, really.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever joke.
	Oh, wait, too late.
	Too late.
	Grid one motorsports donated $200.
	Last on the subject, communism sucks the life out of everything it touches.
	If you cannot handle money or make money, it's your fault.
	The opportunity is there for all.
	I grew up that poor.
	Now I am not.
	Now he's not.
	Grid one.
	There you go.
	And same for Andrew.
	Question.
	For you guys.
	Under communism, and I don't know, maybe some of you don't want communism.
	I don't know.
	All of you do OnlyFans, correct?
	Would you, under communism, would you continue to would you do OnlyFans under communism?
	Would you be able to?
	Would I swordless?
	Would you want to?
	I don't know.
	I'm just curious.
	Well, I mean, I. Still do.
	You'll make money from it, right?
	I don't think you'd make money.
	Well, I'm not.
	So all the OnlyFans would just be, would the OnlyFans be free?
	There's like no charge for the OnlyFans?
	I mean, yeah, I guess if that's something I really like enjoyed doing to that extent.
	Thank you, Flat.
	I right now just see OnlyFans as like a job and not so much like, oh, this fun thing.
	Okay.
	How much porn do you think would be reduced?
	What do you mean?
	It would be like it'd be like 1% left of it or less.
	Not everyone does porn on OnlyFans, though.
	No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm not even talking about just wait.
	Under communism, is it like only jobs that have some sort of doing OnlyFans probably, would that really exist under communism?
	Would it really?
	I mean, if you just really love shh.
	Would makeup, like, would there be no makeup?
	Because like, there's no.
	There'll probably be makeup.
	There is makeup for you.
	Whoever wants to make it.
	Like, whoever go to the chemical plant to make women's makeup.
	They don't have to make it.
	I mean, you could do it with berries or like natural dyes.
	Like, what do you think Native Americans used to do?
	It's not just for like, oh, men's gifts.
	Yeah, but who's going to get all the berries for you to put it all over your face?
	I don't know.
	Go fucking do it.
	Fortune the.
	Let's go.
	I mean, if you live in the middle, like, let's pretend you live in the middle of the city.
	Like, where are you going to get your fucking berries for your makeup?
	You know what I mean?
	Do you think that a minute ago you said that it's the way that communism is happening?
	Oh, my goodness.
	Thank you, Modest.
	Thank you.
	The way that communism is happening in other countries.
	Yeah.
	Wouldn't you be like tend to believe that that would be the way it would continue on?
	Like why would it be different in your communist utopia?
	Well, I think there's just a lot of like things backed up politically in all those different countries that have communism.
	But why would they be different in yours?
	And how?
	Because I think communism isn't just about like putting the power in like one, like when I see other communist countries, even though it's supposed to be like for the people, you usually see like one kind of like dictator or something.
	But why?
	Like, why is it like that?
	Politics, eugenics, racism.
	I'm just asking.
	No, it's like that because the reason you always have to have a strong man, you have to have force in those nations is because they have to compel services of people who would not ordinarily give them unless they were paid.
	That's why.
	That's why you always have a strong arm authoritarianism inside of communism to the point of ridiculousness is because how do you get medical services for people who don't want to give them to you unless you pay them?
	Like, how do you do that without compelling them to?
	Friends that are nurses don't want to be like nice to be a nurse is that you paid so much money.
	Exactly.
	That's the thing that people like about it.
	Here, let's see what happens.
	There are no nurses in New Love.
	Like, who wants to go white?
	Old man's butt.
	What about janitors?
	What about janitors?
	No one likes to wipe old people's butt, but if it's something like you're talking about, an obligation or a duty, then you do it.
	You just man the fuck up and you do it.
	Right, an obligation or duty, but an obligation or duty is not a thing that you guys, when I asked everybody at this table, basically answered that question.
	The same question for obligation and duties, I think that your kind of threshold there is that you don't really think that there's that much in the way of obligation or duty in comparison to kind of the I can't even, I don't even know if I can say it, so I'm just not going to, but whatever I would deem like degenerate behavior, right?
	You don't have any duty.
	Do you have any duty to not do any form of degenerate behavior?
	That would be the question.
	So reasons not to do degenerate shit.
	And what degenerate means in this is without morals.
	It means without morals.
	Yeah, loads.
	Loads of stuff that you should move against.
	I mean, reasons why I have those duties or like, yeah, I mean, I have godchildren, my, I don't have much family.
	Now, if somebody doesn't want to do one of those duties, this is the question.
	Would you make them?
	i don't think you can really like make it well then inside of your you can just like and inside of your paradigm if we apply the same thing and say okay you think people have duties to do this and then they don't well nothing gets done That's why we call it it.
	That's why I'm calling it a utopia because do I think that will actually exist?
	No.
	If it was supposed to work the way the framework is and not the leaderships and the politics.
	Where everybody had to do the horrible job except you, right?
	Everybody but you.
	All right.
	No.
	I feel like I'm the one to do the most horrible job.
	Well, if we did have communism, would you take the job of working in the sewers?
	If I had to.
	If you had to.
	You had to.
	If I felt like the people in my village or town or wherever weren't like standing the fuck up.
	Shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing.
	If you can't depend on PPA to return their shopping cart, how can you count on them to do right?
	That's a good question.
	That's very true.
	I always ask you.
	True Raven DT's capitalism.
	Well, we're turning to chip her up a little bit.
	Stop sulking in the corner there.
	Are there still cookies on the table?
	You're hungry?
	Are there still cookies?
	Yeah, can I walk around, please?
	Wait, I'm feeling really restless.
	Just wait just a sec because we will give you more attention.
	I know.
	No, no, no, it's not attention.
	Like, really, it's my back.
	I can be still in the frame in here.
	Is that okay?
	Do you want to do jumping jacks or something?
	Yeah, something like that.
	Or maybe just.
	I think the audience would be okay with that.
	Freebies.
	Give them a massage.
	You want to give me a massage?
	No, I'm not.
	I mean, if you want to stand behind me and give me or, well, I don't think, no, maybe not Andrew, but.
	So no cookies.
	Yeah, they're over there on the cookie.
	They're over there if you need to go.
	You're both going to excuse yourself.
	I asked first.
	The nice lady brought the cookie.
	Oh, I guess you can eat them here if that works.
	Okay, here, I'm going to do some chats, guys.
	Yo, savage chipmunk, let's remove women's right to choose who they date altogether.
	They have no idea as to what the high-value man is in the first place, and they don't even use their brains.
	What?
	I don't know if I'd not sure I agree with you on that one, brother.
	Okay.
	Harem life and three of okay, brother.
	Okay, that's a little much.
	All right, we have Doc Vanablis here.
	Why is she coming this way?
	These ash cars are so dope.
	They look like soap.
	Are you or orange?
	Which one?
	I think What are you doing over there?
	She's the hungry one.
	I'm trying to one of the hosts.
	Oh my God.
	Okay.
	In communist Cuba, doctors are slave labor and get paid $50 a month.
	Cab drivers make more money.
	My apologies to the Amish.
	They live freely.
	Yo, thank you, Dr. Nablus.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	I've got some pre-show notes here.
	Oh, did you want to address that really quick?
	I'd like to try to move on from that.
	I don't know what to take on that.
	Wait, what?
	What?
	Oh, cute.
	You also said, kind of not related to this, that feminist, you consider yourself a feminist with traditional elements.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	These are going to be so fucking noisy.
	Okay.
	Can you guys really not just chill for the.
	Are you really that hungry?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Just try to be quiet when you're opening these, I guess.
	Just get rid of the plastic.
	Probably fun.
	So you say a feminist with traditional elements.
	I'm just curious, what are the traditional elements?
	So like when I date a man, like that is something where I think I value more a traditional sense of like we talked masculinity and femininity within the middle of the world.
	I know it keeps interrupting.
	Communism is so great.
	Why so many migrants from communist countries to the USA?
	Good point.
	Do you want to move to China and live under Jinping?
	Hashtag feminism is cancer sorry Brickson.
	We just haven't done it this right yet.
	We haven't done it the right way this time.
	We haven't done it the right way yet.
	That's the whole problem every time.
	But so you said when it comes to dating, you prefer some of the more traditional elements with men.
	So just what are some of those?
	So like, for example, like I feel like I don't mind the whole like cooking, cleaning, the, I guess you would say like the modern housewife kind of bit, right?
	But I also think that comes with like a man who can provide and like take care of the other things while I do those things.
	Whereas like today, so many guys are like, I want a traditional housewife that has a full-time job and pays half the bills.
	And like, so I still am interested in some traditional values.
	But I mean, like, for example, I think men should be allowed to like express their emotions and cry and have that.
	But I also think like if we're talking about masculinity these days or more so like LA, guys are like act more like women.
	I'm sorry that they keep interrupting.
	Can we move on?
	The circus wants it tent back and it is obvious this 304 is just spewing stuff someone told her while she was high.
	Question for the panel.
	How low should you bow to your man?
	I mean, what's he bringing to the table?
	Like I think that's a problem.
	The what's he bringing to the table?
	Kind of like asked to girls all the time.
	Well, I've literally been told I work too much, I make too much more money than a man.
	Like I've personally encountered men that were threatened by like how nice my apartment was, how much money I made, and this and that.
	And although like I don't think men are threatened, feel threatened by that.
	Okay, I will say it's some men is ins if you're insecure, that can make you uncomfortable because we have put a lot of pressure on a man to provide and in turn that means providing financially and so sometimes sometimes not every single guy, but some men are intimidated by if you make more money than them.
	I don't know if she's saying that that makes her better than not every man I've dated, but there's definitely been a handful that were just like intimidated like, oh, I didn't have this apartment when I was your age or oh, like why are you always working?
	When are you gonna make time for me?
	But it like Off your comment, though, about what he brings to the table.
	Because if it was the other way around, I don't agree with that either.
	Like, what does she bring to the table?
	Because, and not to say that.
	You go off, sis.
	Let it all out.
	Well, no, I'm just saying that maybe in regard to her going on 100 dates in two months, that maybe whatever she's looking for is outside of the realm of that like an average person or even an above-average person.
	All right, I didn't know if you were going to say something.
	I think power dynamic is very important.
	So, whenever a woman starts making more than a man or providing more when it comes to like relationship or household, etc.
	The question comes, like, what is the man for then?
	That there has to be some type of balance, right?
	That has to be something that he's giving back.
	And then, again, traditional ways, which you probably will agree, they suffer too.
	Because if woman is the provider, doesn't she become the dominant one in the relationship?
	Yeah, I don't think it's a power dynamic thing.
	See, I would say the opposite.
	I'd say that there's a different preference between different sexes for the things that they value in the other sex.
	And so, in this particular case, I don't think that men value for women, women for the amount of money they make.
	I don't think they give a shit about that.
	I don't think they've ever cared about that.
	There might be some men that you can point to, but that's always the case, right?
	There's some men you can point to who might value this particular thing, but in general, that's not what they value.
	Do women?
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	You had quite a big reaction to what he just said.
	I mean, there's so many guys in LA, what we call hobosexuals, that are literally just like living in their car on Tinder, hinge, whatever it is, just to fuck every night so that they have a place to sleep.
	Like, they very much care about that.
	But I don't think in one of the worst metropolitan progressive mecca cesspools, which has ever existed, that's comparing the men there to, you know, this really small sample size to, well, to just men on average globally.
	Like, just think about this globally.
	Clearly, if you look at the traditions of mankind, were women the providers?
	No.
	Kind of.
	No.
	Not financially.
	Well, oh, yeah.
	No, I mean, just not at all.
	I mean, they were not the providers for the family.
	But they're providers of cooking, cleaning, keeping the family together.
	Like, you don't think that's true.
	So we are talking financially.
	Well, no, it's even hunter-gatherer.
	If you were to hunter-gatherer society, who are the hunters?
	And who are the gatherers?
	Didn't women used to gather their babies?
	Yes, the women gathered and the men hunted, right?
	Well, you need one without anything.
	Yeah, but when we say, like, who's bringing home the bacon, that's literally what we mean.
	It's the hard jobs to go and kill the pig and take it home.
	And the easy job is to be honest.
	Not to cook the pig.
	That's the easy job.
	Getting the pig, that's the hard job.
	Why do you guys think maintaining a home is just so easy?
	Because I've done it and it's going outside.
	It's easier.
	First of all, women don't.
	Did you do it right?
	Women don't maintain the home.
	What they do is they look after children who are inside the home.
	They do some cooking and cleaning.
	They don't pass.
	Okay, this is the same thing.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Girl2-have you ever been asked, why are you bigger than me?
	Why do you not go to the gym?
	Why do you not care for yourself?
	Why do you not care for your body?
	Response?
	I mean, if you want to address that, no, literally, life story.
	Why are you bigger than me?
	No, I've never been asked that by a guy that was actually sexually interested in me or dated me.
	Why do you not go to the gym?
	Just because I'm fat doesn't mean I don't go to the gym.
	You guys are insane.
	Go to my Instagram profile.
	You'll see me first time ever.
	I am retired, so she wins.
	Does not change a thing about our relationship.
	I am the patriarch.
	She is the matriarch.
	Grid one motor sports is a representative.
	But it sounds like he can still let his wife live in femininity.
	And that's a big thing of like power structure and like that ultimate like the masculine and the feminine.
	Like femininity can't bloom when you're forced to have masculine duties.
	Yeah, but you prefer, you said earlier you prefer dominant men.
	Yes.
	Okay, but do you think that those men prefer dominant women?
	No.
	Then do you think that's a good idea?
	And that's why I'm very submissive in my relationship.
	Yeah, but do you think that in general that men prefer dominant women?
	So like if men, if women or men really wanted masculine traits in women, why wouldn't they just go for men?
	I mean, some of them should.
	A lot of y'all are.
	A lot of young areas.
	Very, very few of them do.
	They obviously want the feminine part, not the masculine part.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So this is my question for you is like, since you, it's your own experience that this is what you prefer and the men that you have around you don't prefer that.
	Yes.
	Then why would you make the assumption that this is somehow the dynamic is completely 180 for everybody else?
	Sorry, can you say that again?
	Yeah, so if when he's going around, he's asking, do you prefer like a dominant man to a non-dominant man?
	Do you think most women prefer to have a man who's more dominant?
	Yes.
	Okay, so I would agree with that.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	You would agree with that.
	Yes.
	So what is the man's preference then?
	What's he looking for?
	Is he looking for a dominant woman?
	No, but I think, I think no, but I think a lot of that has to do with like, again, the current like time we live in where girls are forced to be more masculine.
	Well, how are they forced to be more masculine?
	You know, providing, like, there's not as much of like a lot of, most girls have to, like, go get a job, provide for themselves versus like before you could like marry some.
	Like, it might be a lot of people.
	I'm just saying in the past, as a woman, you were expected to like marry someone and that's how you secure yourself.
	Now, you're expected as a woman to go get a job, make, make, make money.
	All of y'all are single.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	I don't get it.
	What about it?
	You're all single, so you're choosing to do that.
	Yes.
	Choosing what?
	Choosing to get your money and get your, provide for yourself because you don't have a choice.
	I mean, but that's what I'm literally saying.
	You have a choice.
	That's what I'm literally saying is that you're not.
	But you do have a choice.
	She's been on a hundred dates and has been on maybe three or four hours.
	I was like, there's always a choice.
	She could be with someone she doesn't like and never do anything.
	Why are none of those?
	100 men worthy of dating her?
	Because she don't like them.
	Why has she got to like them?
	You don't have to like them, but what I'm saying is you're sometimes used to be like, I don't even agree with that.
	I mean always sorry.
	I'm trying to like get to like cuz I maybe there's right No, and I think, I think we're just speaking about how y'all are living your lives versus how me and the people that I know live our lives is just very different.
	And, like, the women and the men, like, we don't know a man that doesn't provide.
	Choosing to be single, but, like.
	I don't know.
	So I wanted to be with you.
	Have you ever had a job?
	You have a job.
	So if I wanted to be with those guys, I should have made less money then.
	No, I'm saying like it can be the best of both worlds is what I'm saying.
	Hold on, where did this stem from this conversation?
	I think, because we were talking about masculine versus feminine.
	You're feminist, but you've been a female.
	I think you're choosing to be masculine.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You're choosing to live in your masculine.
	Well, no, you are not.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I was saying that you're saying that the men that you're encountering or being around are not providers in their hoboing.
	No, no, no.
	Most guys, I'm not going to lie, because I live in LA, so this is ours.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I haven't dated the hobosexuals, but I have friends that have.
	I don't know what that even means.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, we are just on the bottom.
	You can just bum off women, basically, I'm guessing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I feel like that's the exception.
	That's the real thing.
	You know, like, I literally knew a guy that was like modeling for Adidas, but he was like sleeping in his car.
	Okay, how frequently is that really occurring?
	I don't even think that's a good idea.
	Very frequent, but in LA, major cities.
	So he would, like what you were saying earlier, like the average, like if you go on, let me ask you a question.
	If you go on 10 dates, which proportion of them are these hobosexuals?
	I would argue it's less than one.
	It's actually not really in 2020.
	I would say, yeah, it's expensive at all.
	But you've never even encountered it.
	Out of my friend group?
	Okay, me personally.
	You haven't encountered it.
	But your friend group, what?
	It's just my friends.
	Like, they're more trusted.
	But here, okay, let's get the hobosexual thing is ridiculous, and I don't feel like it's just such an outlier situation.
	It's not even worth talking about.
	But you said you're feminist with traditional elements.
	You made a big kind of grimace when he said that men don't really care about women's provisioning.
	Is that surprising to you that men are not really preoccupied with women's but I think then that for me that would just tell me that you're a secure man.
	No, no, no, that's most men don't care about the modest Hikima donated $200.
	Hi, my name is Modest Hikima.
	My plan is to find a woman to provide for and protect.
	What is the point of dating someone that is a hobosexual?
	That is legit a bleeding red flag.
	Yes.
	Agreed.
	That's beautiful.
	That's beautiful.
	Go ahead with your point.
	Sorry, wait.
	ADHD.
	Yeah, so we were getting into this exchange.
	I was saying most men, what they value, they don't value women because women give them stuff.
	That's not why men value women.
	They don't give a shit about that for the menu.
	Okay.
	They don't care.
	Women do.
	What do you guys value?
	But it's not even our stuff.
	We're trying to get your stuff to maintain.
	Right.
	You want to get so the value.
	So the value here is what I'm saying is that men value different things than women value.
	Okay.
	So we're not interchangeable widgets.
	There's things that women generally want.
	There's things that men generally want.
	So women generally want materialism sources, things like this.
	Here's an example of how you can kind of tell this.
	So if you look at female voting patterns, they mostly vote for security more than they do for the expansion of freedom.
	Okay, almost always.
	Whereas men kind of will vote the opposite way, okay?
	Or at least there was a historic trend of doing that.
	They would almost vote the opposite way, where they'll vote to kind of expand freedom in lieu of security.
	So one of the things that can maybe kind of tell you is that, so what are women valuing here, right?
	They're valuing security.
	Yes.
	Men think?
	Not so much.
	So the security comes from the material, the stuff, the house, the job, the stability, all of that.
	Those are the things that they value.
	Men, they don't care about any of that from a woman.
	They don't care if a woman's bringing home the bacon.
	They don't care if they're bringing home the money.
	They don't care about anything.
	I don't know.
	Watching my dad, he was always so angry and passive-aggressive and horrible to my mom because she was the breadwinner.
	But it's just, if anytime we talk about this, you just kind of point to the outlier, right?
	And be like, well, okay, but my dad didn't care about any of those things.
	So then, so then which one of us is right?
	I don't know.
	I really, I just don't think you understand how many like insecure men are out there.
	Like, yeah, but what is it that they're valuing?
	Aren't there anything?
	Oh, look, a status, how it comes off to social media, how it comes off to their peers.
	Do you think most men care about that?
	Men choose partnerships.
	Men who are looking for something serious, probably not.
	Men who are just like, like we said earlier, they're dating sluts, they're dating whatever.
	They don't care.
	It's just for an appearance for a time being, whatever.
	They can wash their hands and read it.
	Here, go ahead, Myra.
	Thank you, Brent.
	I think the dynamics are changing in our society these days.
	And even though I do agree that generally speaking, what you're saying is correct, I feel like I am that next evolutionary link that is kind of an exception from it because I feel like I'm materialistically speaking good and I'm not looking for that safety.
	I'm not looking for a man to provide.
	It would be good if he would be on the same level so I don't have to pay for him.
	I feel like the dynamic kind of changes there.
	But for me, I have other priorities.
	And I think a lot of women these days, considering they have more options to do what they want to do to become independent, to make money the way that they want to make, they have a lot more rights, generally speaking, if we look just historically, right?
	So with that comes the freedom of choice.
	So I don't think I would be able to do things that I do these days like 100 years ago.
	And with that, women become more musculine.
	That's what I was saying in the beginning.
	Why, wait.
	Why would they become more masculine?
	Because what's the masculine trait you're pointing to?
	Providing.
	Right.
	Providing is a masculine trait.
	It's more being just about ambitious, goal-oriented, a lot more direct.
	So what you do, it reflects on your personality greatly.
	Like, imagine you're at home, you're providing chilling, you're making, I don't know, tidying up the house.
	It's completely different as opposed to going out in business meetings.
	So which one of these?
	So when you're talking about a masculine trait, you think that being a provider is a masculine trait?
	The things that you do to become a provider, to have enough money, yes.
	Okay, so feminine trait would be what?
	Traditionally speaking, that would be taking care of the house, kids, cooking, doing laundry, things like that.
	And that develops.
	Yeah, sure.
	And that develops like a different set of skills, a different type of personality.
	Like your hormones change.
	Like, I know that for myself.
	So since men don't want the masculine traits, and I don't think that most women want the feminine traits, why would you continue to orient and move society towards this where women are gaining more masculine traits just in lieu of the fact that they have to go provide?
	Does that seem like sensible policy to you?
	Independence.
	So the feeling that you have the freedom to do what you want to do, not depend on a man, is intoxicating.
	It's freeing.
	So it's hedonism.
	Compared to what our really what you're talking about is just hedonism.
	So even though these are things which you think in society are pretty much bad, the fact that now women are far more masculine and, you know, that's not good for the dynamic between men and women.
	You would still say that, well, we should still have it.
	We should still push towards it because after all, for women, it's good that they can have the choice to be hedonists.
	I think it's more about feeling powerful as opposed to powerless.
	And I think balance is the key because even though I do feel independent, I'm still lacking.
	This is the reason why I'm even going at a date.
	I'm lacking that male presence that will at least be able to match me.
	Something that I can, something that a person I can see as an equal, somebody I can learn, grow, create with.
	That feeling, unfortunately, is absent for me.
	Wait, I just want to bring it back to the 100 dates thing.
	In the past two months, you've gone on 100 dates, and I'm assuming you've screened, like there's probably other men that wanted to go on dates with you.
	I'm assuming not every guy that asked you on a date, you accepted.
	There was probably, okay, first, is he physically attractive?
	He doesn't seem too weird just in this initial text conversation or however you met them.
	So, I mean, it's pretty amazing to me that you've 100 dates in two months and you've not one of 100 dates, 100 men.
	Not one of them is even suitable for a relationship.
	That's pretty crazy.
	I don't think relationship is what I'm looking for.
	Oh, so what are you looking for?
	Just somebody the fuck?
	No.
	So then if you're not looking for a relationship, you're not looking for something casual.
	are you looking for because if you don't know what you're looking for then obviously you're going to encounter yes i'm just thinking about how i word that correctly I think for me, what has the most value right now, besides for growth, as I mentioned just now, is somebody who makes you feel.
	And I think in this society, because people don't quite express themselves.
	Makes you feel, so you want to be entertained.
	It's more about just being authentic and enjoying life.
	And I feel like a lot of people just sort of copy-paste.
	Copy.
	Yeah, they just, they sort of do things that others are doing.
	They copy-paste in it.
	They're not actually enjoying that.
	It's just about hedonism.
	Stuff you want, right?
	I don't even know.
	My initial question was...
	It's a little murky there.
	We're talking about such extremes, though.
	I mean, like, for example, like I'm just for example's sake, let's say.
	Wait, Hold on.
	I just want to continue on this for a little bit.
	So, okay.
	i was asking you what you're looking for you said you're not looking for a relationship but you're also not opposed to it though you're You're not opposed to it.
	Well, I mean, it's unfortunate that you're not willing to reveal your age because I do feel like that would give me a little more context.
	Because if you're 21 versus 31, I mean, there's just, do you want, here, let me ask.
	Do you want to get married?
	No.
	Okay, fair.
	Do you want to have kids?
	At some point, yes.
	At some point, yes.
	Okay.
	So knowing your age would be helpful in this conversation because, as Andrew pointed out, there is a time limit when it comes to having children.
	Maybe she froze her eggs.
	Did you?
	There's so many different ways to preserve your fertility.
	but this is a lie we tell women because actually even if you do freeze your eggs granted it's an option my understanding is it's like 50 percent uh the the success rate of unfreezing It's like 50%, so it could work, but...
	And they also often have to use different carriers, right?
	They have to use a different carrier than them to carry the child.
	I'm not worried about procreation for me.
	But you do want kids.
	Wait, what's the goal?
	So it is a goal.
	So I'm going to be honest, I feel like most of my life I was doing so much learning, studying, working, that I haven't quite lived enough.
	That I was told so much by parents, people around society, what's good and what's not good to do, that at this point, I'm just balancing it out a little bit and I'm letting myself feel it out, breathe, experience life that I normally would.
	I'm finding yourself, right?
	But what's the point?
	How do I find myself?
	What's the purpose or the point of going on 100 dates?
	what are you looking for?
	Because you said- What are we all looking for?
	I don't know.
	I feel like it's in the end of the day, whenever we talk to other people, it's connection one way or another, right?
	But what are you practically looking for?
	Do you want a long-term boyfriend?
	Do you want marriage?
	It sounds like one day you want kids.
	So I assume that I am assuming you'd want to have your own biological children with a man.
	And I'm assuming you'd hope that man, whether you get married or not, remains in your life.
	Or not, that's fine too.
	You'd be okay with that.
	Absolutely.
	You wouldn't have any qualms.
	Like, let's say there was no, it was just, you're just like, I could take him or leave him, the father of my children.
	That's fine.
	I'm not going to touch it.
	But you said you're looking for an action to get him to stay.
	Well, but you just said you're looking for connection.
	Wouldn't you want to have a great connection with your potential partner, the potential father of your children?
	Absolutely, yes.
	But if that connection where we have stronger connection with other people, it's perfectly fine to separate.
	Whoa, hold on.
	So if you're in an otherwise healthy relationship with somebody, but you meet somebody else that you have more physical attraction towards or a stronger connection.
	Right.
	But let's say you're more physically attracted to them, or for you, maybe it's more important to have a strong connection.
	If you feel a stronger connection to another individual, but your relationship is otherwise good, you would leave.
	So there's usually a reason.
	Father of your children.
	So there's usually a reason as to why people even start looking or given that idea, like entertaining that idea in their mind as to why they would leave.
	What you just said, honestly, is a scarlet letter, and I don't think any man should ever commit to you.
	And that is fine, too.
	Because if your position is, what if somebody else comes along who I have a better connection with, that is not, that should not be pretext for ending an otherwise healthy relationship.
	That is not what I said.
	Certainly if there's children involved.
	Well, that is what you just said.
	Literally.
	Let me paraphrase what I just said, because it seems like you understood that differently.
	Sure.
	if for whatever reason well okay usually the reason why one would leave a relationship would be that there are gaps in the relationship and let's say that what do you mean what do you mean by gaps Let's say there's certain tension.
	You got to know the person better and it turned out that he or she is different.
	And you're not enjoying it as much as you were.
	What do you mean by enjoyment?
	Do you mean like having fun?
	Because it's not clear to me if the ultimate.
	say you're arguing right let's say that's people couples argue as long as right Right, if it becomes most of the time.
	Okay.
	If they're arguing all the time, if they're not agreeing, if they're not enjoying the time together, what's the point of staying together for the sake of the child?
	Well, because if you were to look at the outcome of what happens to a child if you remove the father from the home, for instance, if you just remove the father from the home, even if the child's in an abusive home with both their parents being abusive and you enter into a stepfather moving into the home, right?
	They're still at a higher risk than even if they were with the abusive parents.
	I disagree.
	Hang on, it is a father figure.
	It does not need to be a biological father.
	That's crazy.
	I know how it sounds.
	I don't know if I agree.
	I don't know if I agree on that.
	But hang on.
	What a child needs is a father figure.
	What has said that you're not going to be able to do that?
	I can give you this study, but it is true.
	It's the same thing with the state.
	It's interesting if you remove a child from a home and you enter the child in with the state to get them out of an abusive home, right?
	Their chance of being abused under state custody and of expiring under state custody are actually higher than if you left the child in the abusive home.
	What's interesting about this is like people don't even realize that this is true, but having another man come into the home, a stepfather in the home and the biological father taken out, that's when most abuses inside the home towards children even happen.
	The outcomes are really, really bad for children inside of homes when their parents split up.
	And what it always is, is it's always a woman who has the mentality that you have.
	And this mentality is, something better comes along, I'll leave, right?
	That's why women are initiating most of the divorces.
	Something better comes along, I'll leave.
	And they do.
	And they leave, and they break up the home, and they break up the family, and then all the entire generations raised by single moms.
	Men do that all the time.
	Men walk out the church.
	Who's initiating the divorces?
	Is it men or women?
	So you're saying that if he cheats, it's okay.
	They're not divorcing him because he's cheating.
	They divorce over irreconcilable differences.
	I don't feel happy.
	Men are, like, if you're providing for a man and you're being a wife, if he can still do whatever he wants to do, cheat, whatever, talk to you, however, be whatever, and still come home to you and you still take care of him.
	Why would he go get a divorce?
	Why would he do that?
	So hold on.
	I'm just talking about in the whatever example that we're speaking of, because you're saying if you're in an abusive home, but if you're better off in an abusive home if there's two parents, but then in a non-abusive home with one parent because the dad's out there, that doesn't even make sense.
	And I'm also just saying you're on top of you saying that women are initiating divorces, a lot of times, just making my point, if you're making a man comfortable, you're being a wife to him, he has no reason to divorce you.
	Even if he's unhappy, he still comes home to a home-cooked meal, he still comes home to a clean house, you're taking care of the kids.
	Why would he go get a divorce?
	I would initiate the divorce.
	So you're saying that men, of course, just aren't doing what they're supposed to do, and women are dissatisfied because men are.
	I never said that.
	Well, then, why are women initiating 80% of the divorces?
	But I was making the point that men don't are less, probably likely less likely to initiate a divorce in the sense of if everything is being taken care of for them at home, why would you go get a divorce?
	If I can come home to my wife, I can go to my, go cheat or go gamble, whatever, all day, and then I still have a wife at home.
	I'm just saying, as a man, why would you go get a divorce on the and lose half of his life?
	As opposed to being the woman who now you're bearing the brunt of, okay, whether he's not holding up, he's not holding up whatever boundaries or whatever you guys have in your marriage.
	He's not adhering to those.
	So not being a woman.
	They're not, listen, they're not divorcing him because the men are cheating.
	They're not divorcing him for that reason.
	We know this because they tell us this.
	When we poll.
	What is it?
	They're usually just saying irreconcilable differences.
	We're dissatisfied.
	And we don't know what that means.
	For the same reason that she's dating, going on 100 dates and she can only barely find someone.
	It's what she said.
	It's what she said is that she's a mother.
	I'm no longer entertained.
	I'm bored.
	You know, look, there's certainly instances of abuse and that happens, but I think a lot of divorce is just like, I'm bored.
	Well, if women are initiating divorces, what is the push for monogamy then?
	If 80% of women are initiating divorces and it's maybe not so great, I'm just curious.
	I'm not, I'm just, we're just having a conversation.
	Yeah.
	I'm very much the devil's advocate.
	So I'm just curious, what is the whole big deal about promiscuousness and monogamy?
	If women are getting divorced at these high rates, then go let them be freaking with anyone.
	Who cares?
	Here, maybe we can come to that.
	I do kind of want to try to get an answer from you.
	Myra?
	Mira, right?
	Which one?
	One day.
	Your name has two possible pronunciations.
	Don't worry about it.
	But how hard is it to remember that it's Mira?
	I've got a.
	I have a huge conversational.
	I have a huge conversational burden.
	Okay, so I'm trying to get an answer.
	What are you looking for?
	Because you want to have kids, so I assume you want to.
	There's going to be a man that you want to have those kids with.
	So I assume you eventually want to move towards.
	And I assume you don't want to have kids with just anybody.
	Just random man off the street, please impregnate me.
	I'm going to assume you'd want to have a relationship with the person that you want to have kids with.
	I'm looking for you to a chat.
	What?
	Do you want to just answer the question, though?
	Just so.
	Like, what are you looking for?
	I think as in now, I'm very much enjoying my freedom and power that comes with it.
	Nick, can you close the door?
	But I do believe eventually I will meet a person that I will have deep enough connection to have children and procreate so our society does not go extinct.
	I think Andrew would appreciate that statement.
	Okay, that's beautiful.
	So, but I mean, you are going on these dates, so I assume you're...
	I'm trying, Brian.
	there's a goal no but there's got to be like what do you ultimately want out of the when you go on a date like are you looking for something short-term a little casual thing are you you looking for this could be a boyfriend this could be I know you said you don't want to get married so maybe not a husband but I think people are too fixated on what they want a lot of the times like I said we don't even necessarily know what's best for us because all of those ideas are just defined by the rest of the world you
	So why not just be open to everything and see what plays out to the best?
	Well, I mean, even if you object to what the world is defining, you can either look at what that society is recommending is best and you can, using your own life experience, make a determination, do I agree with that?
	Do I disagree with that?
	Where do I deviate?
	So I, I, yeah, I think it's very important to keep asking yourself that question.
	Does this make me feel good?
	No, I don't think that is the ultimate thing people ought to be looking for.
	Does that make me feel good?
	I think not enough people ask themselves that question.
	And do they have to be aware of that?
	It's rather selfish.
	I think it's a rather selfish.
	If you're not hurting people around you, why is that bad?
	Like, let's say somebody's telling you avocados is the way to go.
	You eat avocado and you just vomit.
	It's not good for you.
	Why would you force yourself as opposed to eating apples?
	Because that's just an example.
	Let's say apples are being hated and said that this is bad for you.
	But for your body, it actually works perfect.
	Why would you pick avocados over apples?
	Yeah, so those are preferences, though.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	Okay, but it's not just about preference.
	It's about the effect of the things that you do.
	So if you just say...
	Are we going to go back to the extinct of the races?
	No, no, we're not.
	I'm just talking about, in this case, what he's saying.
	He's saying that all you want to do purely is just be selfish.
	Is that true?
	Grid one motorsports donated $200.
	New studies show women are more abusive in relationships.Men will work hard to save a marriage, while women are more than willing to walk away and use the kids against the man.
	Please constantly be better.
	Where do they get those studies from?
	I think men are scared that they don't want to lose half their shit.
	I was just asking purely selfishness.
	Is that really what you're advocating for?
	It's just self-centered selfishness.
	I have a question.
	It's not just advocating for her and like starting a nuclear family selfishness because I feel like you're not going to be able to do it.
	No, no, that's a straw man.
	It has nothing to do with what I'm asking.
	I'm asking why is it selfish?
	Well, I'm asking her if it's selfish.
	I don't think it is.
	Okay, so can you tell me then if it's not just selfishness and self-centeredness?
	I'm telling you right now, it is not.
	Okay, then why are you doing it?
	That is a completely different question.
	Yeah, I know it is.
	That's why I'm asking it.
	Why are you doing it?
	Because I can.
	It's not hurting anyone and it's making my life better.
	Me, Do you want me to think about you and yourself?
	No, I want you to think about anything other than yourself.
	But if you are, okay, if you are looking for a relationship, do you think that everything in a relationship has to make you feel good?
	It's about two people.
	Because certainly there might be compromises that occur in the relationship.
	Yes.
	But a compromise may not necessarily mean you always get what you want.
	Of course.
	I agree.
	But you said what you're looking for now is what makes you feel good.
	Overall.
	Yes.
	Overall.
	Why would you try to stick to something that makes you feel bad?
	For what purpose?
	Because you could have better outcomes.
	You don't know about that.
	You do know about that.
	And I can give you some examples of how.
	You know about what's going to be best for you.
	Why you know that you can have outcomes.
	You can do things which are not comfortable for you now and give you better outcomes later.
	You want to hear a really easy one?
	The gym.
	Working out.
	The gym's not a very fun thing.
	Look at the six.
	She's got six pounds.
	So guess how many times I go to the gym?
	I know she works out of her.
	Well, you asked me if she works out of that.
	You gave this as an example, right?
	You're saying gym is good for you.
	Guess how many times you go to the gym?
	I don't care.
	Two workout has nothing to do with that question.
	Home workouts.
	Zero.
	Okay, you worked out.
	So why is gym good to me?
	I was careful.
	It's extremely boring.
	He's talking about exercise.
	Yeah.
	I'm saying that as gym.
	That's an example.
	That's an example.
	Okay, you do it.
	And I love exercise.
	It doesn't feel bad for me, but I do it in my own terms.
	I figure out something that works for me.
	I don't just follow society's rules.
	Most people go to the gym and they would be miserable.
	You're an exercise rebel.
	Is that what you're saying?
	So have you seen what I've just done?
	Literally, I just ran around.
	Like, I tried to stretch.
	Like, that felt amazing to me.
	would never force myself to go to the gym and do these repetitive boring things what if you had so you've never gone to the gym and have sore muscles Okay, yes.
	You have?
	Yes.
	Was it comfortable?
	Strangely, yes.
	It was.
	So I love that feeling because it's kind of hard to explain, but I actually really enjoy that.
	And if I don't do it long enough, I'm starting to feel bad.
	What if you feel really good eating all the time?
	So there's a reason why people do that too.
	There was a period of time when I was overeating, and then when I analyzed as to why I was doing it, I stopped doing that.
	Was it comfortable?
	It was comforting another mental issue that I had.
	And when I fixed the mental issue, I stopped over.
	So you're saying that you were willing to experience discomfort or a thing that you had displeasure in for a better outcome?
	That was not a displeasure.
	Yes, it was.
	Here you are.
	Let's go around the table really quick.
	Let's do something light.
	Then I want to try to get you into the conversation a little bit.
	I don't think you've said anything for the past three hours.
	Okay, Nick, can you pull up the Instagrams of the two guys?
	So wait, before you do, though, before you do, hold on just a moment.
	These are the two men I'm about to show you are my dear friends.
	They have tasked me with finding them girlfriends.
	I am a matchmaker, you could say.
	So, Nick, if you could pull up the first one, would you, go ahead, go on a date with him?
	So, his name is Zach, yes.
	He's a very nice guy, very nice gentleman.
	He is exceptionally skilled at playing World of Warcraft.
	Okay.
	Very good World of Warcraft player.
	He's, scroll down, Nick.
	Let's see some more photos.
	He's very kind.
	He's a generous man.
	He's got great long hair.
	And he also has an axe.
	I'm waiting to find that.
	There it is.
	There's the axe.
	He also owns an axe, so he's capable of protecting you.
	Would you be willing to date our friend here, Zach?
	Starting with you, and we'll go around the table.
	Is he not with pink sparkles anymore?
	No, they're about that ended a while ago.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm actually friends with Zach, so it is strange for me.
	Yeah, we've known each other for years.
	You know, sometimes relationships blossom out of friendships.
	Don't say no.
	Don't never say never.
	I'm not going to say never, but I do believe that the physical factor is quite important.
	What are you trying to say?
	Whoa, whoa, what are you trying to say?
	I'm trying to say that chemically.
	You got it.
	You did say it, right?
	Mira?
	Yes.
	Okay, okay.
	Yes, Brian.
	Good to meet you.
	Thank you.
	I thought it was Maya.
	So I believe it's very important that chemically you're also compatible.
	Chemically.
	Yeah, so you're not in some way telling you that you will produce better offsprings.
	You know, when you like someone smelling.
	What are you trying to say about his chemicals?
	How dare you insult Zach's chemicals?
	I don't think we're very compatible.
	I'm very upset.
	I'm very upset by this.
	He has wonderful chemicals.
	I will say that.
	He does for someone else.
	He's got great pheromones.
	Absolutely.
	I don't think we'll produce the best offsprings.
	Why is that?
	Because of.
	First of all, this guy has been, he's put in many hours in World of Warcraft.
	Your offspring will be like top-tier fucking World of Warcraft players.
	What's wrong with that?
	I don't think that's what I'm looking for.
	Come on.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	What about Zach?
	He's a nice guy, right?
	I would say most likely no.
	For A, it's the video games for me.
	I just think I meet too many guys that are actually addicted to video games.
	Like they have to.
	And then it's like when they're done, now it's your time to shine.
	Whatever.
	Okay.
	Also, I like him better bald.
	That was one thing.
	Like, maybe if he was bald again.
	If Zach was bald again.
	Maybe, yeah.
	So if he shaved his head.
	Yeah, maybe.
	But I don't tend to go towards white men.
	Oh, you don't like white men?
	I don't hate them, don't love them.
	I think they're the more like problematic of the bunch, but that could just be from my own upbringing.
	What?
	You know, out of the men.
	Usually, like, statistically, like white men are more likely to hurt you, harm you.
	And that's been my experience.
	That's your experience.
	That's right.
	Absolutely.
	That's non-statistically.
	No, she said statistically.
	That's cool.
	Just statistically.
	Modest.
	Just like they have a lot of pushback on you.
	Why does my bank not want to let me support you?
	I had to call and they told me it's your fault.
	Also, still simping for Mira.
	Mira wants a ring.
	Is it pronounced?
	Did the TTS pronounce it right?
	Mira?
	Okay.
	Maybe you tried.
	I mean, if sometimes Streamlabs has a limit, if you want to switch over for you, modest, if you want to switch over, I mean, it seems like you're able to do it.
	You can always do it through YouTube if it just blocks you out.
	You don't date white men.
	What is he talking about?
	Not all the time.
	But I have.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I have.
	All right.
	Well, we don't.
	It's just more scary experience for me.
	I'm just saying your statistics.
	It's reversed.
	You can't say statistically without knowing the statistics.
	What are the statistics?
	I don't know.
	But absolutely.
	Some people think statistically when they mean that are you talking about prison people?
	Like, then, yeah, those numbers go, like, different skewed.
	But when you, like, look, well, SA and, like, that's, I don't know.
	I don't want to use triggers with it.
	All right, Farah, would you date?
	Would you date Zach?
	You said he's a full-time streamer?
	He's one of the.
	Oh, well.
	Yeah, I guess he streams.
	Kind of, sort of.
	No, I wouldn't date someone in the industry.
	You wouldn't date somebody in the industry?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	you date Zach um I mean go on a date with him I think if I met him and he was cool and I like talking to him probably he is cool Take my word for it.
	He's super cool.
	What's his sign?
	What's his sign?
	I don't know.
	Money.
	I mean, yeah, I pretty much, if I like someone, like, I'll go on a date with you if you're cool when I talk to you.
	What about you?
	Oh, God.
	Oh, so sorry.
	I thought you were.
	Damn.
	I'm just trying to.
	If you had more, go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no, no, go ahead.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry, sorry.
	I was just going to say he seems nice, but I'm kind of interested in someone at the moment.
	So since you're going to be.
	If you're single.
	I don't know.
	It's kind of hard for me to think like that.
	Okay, never mind.
	And then, well, you're married, so I suspect that.
	I mean, I don't think I would either, though.
	Sorry, Zach.
	I'm sorry.
	Probably mostly because of the video game thing.
	Okay, scroll up, Nick, on that one.
	Scroll up.
	Let's see.
	How are you skipping Andrew?
	Would you go on a date with Zach?
	What?
	Me?
	No.
	This is Zach.
	He's owner of OTK Network, Star Forge PCs.
	One of the top streamers on Twitch.
	I don't know if he's like top 10 or something, but he's very popular Twitch streamer, millionaire many times over, and all-around good dude and handsome and has an axe.
	Does that change anything?
	Maybe if he shaved his head.
	And he lives in Texas.
	Texas.
	Shaved his head?
	Okay, Zach, if you're watching this, I can set it up.
	I can arrange a little date.
	Next one, last guy, and then we're going to get to some actual topics.
	Next person.
	Boom.
	Okay, we have this gentleman.
	Would you date this gentleman?
	So his name is Felix.
	Scroll down, Nick, so we can see some photos.
	All right, see?
	So he's okay.
	He's, you know, like that.
	He's got dyed blonde hair.
	He's got a cat.
	He loves animals, loves animals, all-around good guy.
	You know, he's maybe a little bit of a gamer, you know, but yeah.
	And that's Felix.
	So going around the table, would you date him?
	Go ahead.
	I remember hosting Felix when he had less viewers than me on Twitch.
	Interesting how time changes.
	Yeah.
	He was playing Overwatch and I was like, oh, he's kind of cute.
	Let's help out a smaller streamer.
	And then he was so excited and we started talking and then Mitch was like, yo, man, because Mitch was much more developed of a streamer back then.
	Would you date him, though?
	Well, that's...
	Mitch cog-blocked it for me, basically.
	Oh, Mitch cog- And he told him, like, yo, don't, don't, you know, that's my girl.
	Don't.
	And that's it.
	That was the end of it.
	You could only host Mitch, but you couldn't host Felix.
	Yes, apparently.
	Would you date him, though?
	Because obviously Mitch is.
	What do you mean it's too late?
	I can't.
	Why?
	No more.
	You are.
	Have you seen those?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	It would depend on personality.
	Okay.
	No.
	Yeah, probably.
	If he was cool, he looks a little young, though.
	I don't know how old he is, but I think late 20s, maybe?
	I don't know.
	He's 26.
	Okay, that's fine.
	You guys don't have that.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Pull him back up really quick.
	This is XQC.
	His name's Felix.
	Oh, 27, excuse me.
	And very popular Twitch streamer, one of the top Twitch streamers, although now he's on kick.
	He recently had a $100 million deal.
	All-around, great guy, solid dude.
	Does that change anything for anybody?
	No.
	Okay.
	I still want to see his personality.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry, Felix.
	I tried.
	I tried my best.
	I'm sorry, XQC.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, so I want to go around the table.
	This is related to your statement about you're feminist, but you have traditional elements.
	We'll maybe touch back on that.
	Going around the table, do you consider yourself a feminist?
	Starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I will need a definition of that.
	A lot of definitions going out tonight.
	We want men and women to have equal rights.
	Equality.
	What type of rights?
	Like civil rights?
	All rights.
	I don't want men and women to be equal.
	No.
	Oh, you don't?
	No, not like that.
	I think that's why we're attracted to each other is because of our differences as well.
	Like I said, there's got to be some type of dynamic behind.
	I can get behind that.
	Okay.
	I think for the most part, yeah.
	I think for the most part, yeah.
	But there's some things I like a little more traditionally.
	Okay, I'll come back to that.
	What about you?
	I was actually similar, feminist, but a lot of traditional values.
	Okay.
	The term feminism, like, it's not, I don't think it's as intersectional as, I don't know.
	I wouldn't consider myself feminist.
	That I don't think I'm more or less than a man.
	I don't think a man's like more or less than me.
	I think we're like yin and yang, but I mean, I think we need equality for women in other places.
	Women need more uplifting.
	So I do believe in feminine, some principles of feminism.
	But I wouldn't call myself feminist.
	If feminism is like equal or equality between men and women, then I would say, yes, I'm a feminist, but more so like equal opportunity.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	I would say definitely not.
	Only because the principles of feminism are not required, especially for anyone sitting at this table or anyone in this, like in our society at large.
	Andrew, are you a feminist?
	Well, not only am I not a feminist, but with the exception of the nice lady who brought cookies, all of you are feminists.
	Every single one of you is a feminist.
	You think so?
	Yeah.
	How do you, how do you tell me what I am?
	I'm curious.
	What would make me more feminist?
	And I just want to say, not like that, but feminism came around a time like suffragettes and stuff when like I'm a black woman.
	So white girls weren't even working and then they wanted to go back to working.
	So they're like, I want to be a feminist.
	But like me, 200 years ago, like that wasn't really the same.
	Like feminism wasn't really the same for me.
	So that's why I don't identify with it.
	So I feel like, not like that, but I'm not a feminist because my people have always been working.
	Well, let's start with what you think feminism is.
	Well, what do you think it is?
	You just call me a feminist.
	So I think I can demonstrate this pretty easy, right?
	But let's just start with what you think it is.
	What do you think it is?
	I mean, feminism started as like women wanting to be equal.
	So wanting to be able to get jobs, be able to like leave the house, go work, you know, have more rights.
	So which of those values do you disagree with?
	Well, I mean, I don't, I don't, I disagree with the idea that, well, like I just said, I feminism was never really for me as a black woman because we've always been working.
	Like we never had the option to like sit back and then decide like 50 years later that we wanted to go back.
	Yeah, but which of the values that you're saying?
	Wait, if I can just add to what you're saying, very early feminism was actually very racist.
	So you actually do make a good point that early feminism was they wanted the, I don't want to, I could be off here.
	I think they wanted to secure the vote for white women.
	Yeah, Planned Parade, all that stuff.
	Margaret Sanger, all of them, they were eugenicists.
	They were not for me.
	So for you to sit and tell me I'm a feminist, genuinely, like at the basis of feminism, it was never for me.
	So no, I'm not going to be afraid of that.
	But which of the values?
	I would not call her a friend.
	Which of the values?
	Then tell me the values you disagree with.
	I don't think that's why you should.
	Just because I can work doesn't mean I want to.
	Like someone fought for that right, and I'm like, good for them.
	They should go to work, but I don't really want to.
	They could work before feminism came around.
	Where did this idea come from that women couldn't work before there was feminists?
	They didn't have a credit card to like.
	Well, they literally couldn't sell it.
	They couldn't have banned.
	No, listen.
	Men were responsible for their wives' debts.
	They had to pay their wives' debts.
	So you, as the wife, could go to the local department store and you could buy whatever you wanted to on your husband's credit and he had to pay the debt.
	Because we didn't want to.
	You weren't responsible for the debt.
	So yes, while it's true that they wouldn't give women credit cards, they gave it to the man.
	The woman could still go spend as much as she wanted to and never was responsible for the debt in the marriage ever.
	No debtors ever came for her.
	She was never responsible for any of it.
	So there's a give and take.
	Everything that you look at, they're not.
	But I'm saying, like, the not feminist means like, but the reason you fought for that to change.
	The reason you believe this, and the reason you think that this is why the world works is because what's called standpoint theory.
	Standpoint?
	Standpoint.
	Standpoint theory.
	So what standpoint theory is, is it's a feminist theory which says that history, because it's subjective, women's history needs to be told only through the prism of a woman and how a woman thinks about it, rather than what's objectively true.
	So they'll leave stuff like that completely out.
	So I brought with me on my phone, I don't know if I can pull it out, but an old suffragette flyer, which was counter-arguments to the people who were out trying to get the right to vote, right?
	Okay.
	And you can see the arguments then.
	Hey, if we get a million dollars in inheritance, we don't have to share it with our husband.
	That was one of the arguments that was used against the suffragettes because it was true.
	And they weren't responsible for debt and they didn't have any of these problems, right?
	So standpoint theory kind of pollutes it.
	When you guys are talking about the reason I ask you, what do you think it is and then which values you disagree with, because all the values stated, I don't believe you disagree with them.
	And why would you?
	Why would you think that you, based on the definition that you gave about what a feminist is, why would you disagree with anything that you said?
	Okay, I'm talking about...
	Like right now, feminism today, not feminism during the suffrage movement.
	I don't still believe that's the same definition.
	I okay, if it's not the same definition, I'm a little bit curious to know what you're again.
	I don't identify as a feminist.
	No, I'm asking based on your definition, what you gave when you asked.
	Why don't identify as a feminist?
	What I just said, because the, first of all, the origins of the feminist movement.
	Right, but we're not talking about the origins, right?
	I'm getting to your point.
	Okay.
	Let me talk.
	The origins of the feminist movement, I don't identify with them.
	So naturally, as it progresses, that's something that I don't identify with in name.
	But in practice, I don't think that because you have a penis and I have a vagina, you're better than me or I'm better than you.
	I think we're equal.
	So feminism, I mean, if we're talking about when it started a long time ago, when women needed a little bit more protection, you needed a little bit more.
	Like we're compared to like women in the 1800s, like we have it very good.
	That's what I'm saying, though.
	Feminist saying that that came out of from a time when things were so much different.
	So for me to, like, it came from such an extreme, women needed a different type of feminism than whatever is needed today.
	And like for me, there's women that are getting castrated and like, what is it called when you can't have babies mutilated?
	We don't, I don't have that problem.
	You don't have that problem.
	You don't have that problem.
	But in some places, and I don't even agree with circumcision and baby boys, I think it's crazy, but that's neither here nor there.
	But in some places, there are some girls who need someone to stand up and say that just because you're a girl doesn't mean you have to be subjected to this.
	Does that mean I'm a feminist?
	I don't know.
	Again, I don't identify with feminism because it was never for me.
	I don't have to label myself to be, to feel my viewpoints.
	Like, I don't need like a big thing hanging out.
	Well, that's fair.
	So it can be intersectional, which is what I'm saying.
	What she's saying, what her point is, and mine too, is to say that if the word, and we're saying the word means those same values that you state.
	What does it mean to you?
	Oh, hang on.
	I'm just kidding.
	Hang on, just let me finish.
	If it means the same values that you state that you believe in, right?
	And then when we use the word feminism, it is to describe.
	I think you're going to take him a donated $200.
	Brixon, I think you and my bank are in cahoots somehow.
	Fool me once.
	I hope it still goes to you after you calling me out, live the one, recent, cast I wasn't live.
	Mira, you want a 30k ring?
	Hashtag simp.
	Yes, please, with an emerald.
	Anyway, you can essentially call it whatever you want, but we're saying that when we say feminism, those same values and more values even than that, but just those same values.
	Grid one went to sports donated $200.
	All on the right side of the panel have spewed anti-male rhetoric, abuse, cheating, so on.
	Yet you are all single, will likely remain so.
	Feminism has failed you.
	How can the patriarchy help you today?
	Yeah, Monas.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Grid One Love.
	No one promoted cheating or abuse.
	What?
	Keep your hands to yourself, guys.
	We were pretty much anti-abuse, pretty much.
	I don't know about the anti-cheating.
	I'm kidding.
	Your money.
	So.
	Did you have something more, Andrew?
	Yes, anyway, I was just saying when we're applying the word, we're applying the word to mean all those things you said.
	So we're not talking past each other.
	You're just saying, I don't identify it based on this other value that I have, but you haven't really said what the value is.
	Okay.
	And I'm very devil's advocate.
	So I'm not, oh, I'm not like against what you're saying.
	I'm really trying to understand.
	What do you?
	It would help me answer you if you told me what you define feminism as.
	Because again, why do you need my definition?
	To know your definition?
	Well, because you just call me a feminist.
	So I'm just curious why she doesn't think.
	I'm just curious what you're basing that off?
	From a logical hand, from a logical perspective, you wouldn't need me to tell you the definition of a thing I asked you for definition of, to know your definition of the thing.
	Are you?
	I feel like this is like, is it okay?
	So I'll just tell you what I think, what I think feminism is asking, because we're asking feminism to me.
	Feminism to me, and feminism broadly, is the pushing of an egalitarian society based around the equality of men and women.
	Is that the most generous definition that you give up?
	That's the most generous one I could possibly give.
	So, and i'm so.
	You don't like.
	You don't think that i'm assuming.
	You don't think that men and women are equal, correct?
	No okay, which is okay?
	No, I don't.
	No no, it's okay, I don't.
	I don't think that egalitarianism is true.
	I don't think that equality is real.
	I don't think any of those things are true.
	I don't think anything should be real, you think is, who do you think is?
	I don't think well, I don't even think it's possible.
	You want me to tell you how far it knows, Farah knows what i'm about to say, but i'll tell you.
	I can tell you how.
	I can tell you how men and women can't be equal.
	You want me to tell you yes okay yes, if you are to look at force in in society who, would you say, has the monopoly on force?
	Men or women?
	Men on brute men?
	The monopoly, i'm just talking about the monopoly over the.
	They're the stronger.
	I feel like things are set up for men, but can you indicate a time in history, ever in the history of all of mankind, where men didn't have monopoly on force?
	On force as in, like physical force, though correct, always is always stronger than us.
	Oh then yeah, that's the biology.
	They have the monopoly on physical force.
	So the question when you come down to rights is, who can enforce rights?
	Women can't enforce their own rights.
	Men have to enforce women's rights.
	So there can never be real equality.
	There's okay, literally what the men are.
	I just want to say men are a little bit more very.
	That is like so violent in nature.
	What even what you just said?
	Like sorry, every society.
	Of course you need force, but the fact that you feel like you're in because you're stronger than someone or you can overpower them, you're more entitled.
	No to some sort of no.
	Hang on, listen so that you get it real quick.
	Hang on, just hear me out.
	Yeah, Inside of your society, you have rights, right?
	Those rights need to be enforced, right?
	So somebody doesn't violate them, right?
	Who's the enforcement army?
	Well, they're usually mostly creative, though.
	Usually physically.
	In response.
	What do you do with criminals?
	I mean, you put them in jail, but who does that?
	There's never been a female officer ever.
	I'm not saying there hasn't been, but who does that?
	Who puts them in jail?
	And then who guards them while they're in jail?
	I mean, I don't want to say that because I know women security guards that are fucking rappers in jail.
	You're speaking always to the exception.
	You always look to the outliers.
	Not that there can't be some women who are on par with some men.
	It's that as a monolith, men are the grantors of force, the granters of rights.
	And here's how.
	Whenever you need criminals dealt with in society, it's men who are going to be dealing with the criminals.
	You're going to be putting them in the jails.
	They're going to be enforcing your laws.
	They're going to be protecting you while you sleep through the military.
	And through the menu.
	I don't disagree.
	But have we ever given women the opportunity to be in the middle of the moment?
	That's the amazing part.
	The amazing part is right now they have all that opportunity and they still can't do it.
	Meaning, I don't think they do.
	Men inside.
	Yes, they do.
	Where do women have less opportunity to become the enforcement arm than men in society right now?
	Tell me.
	You just said they have a monopoly on force.
	And I don't disagree.
	I think men are protectors.
	And they like, if I have a husband, he's probably bigger than me.
	If someone comes to try to fight me, I'm not going to be like, oh, hold on, I got this.
	I'm going to expect my man to handle it.
	But that's not my question.
	My question is, can women be police officers?
	Yes.
	Can they be in the military?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Can they be the prison guards?
	Yes, but they ever have less opportunity to be in the enforcement arm.
	Because there's people in the enforcement that employ them that hold up.
	That's why it's called a police demand.
	What happens instead is this.
	Because there are only men in the family.
	Inside of the military and inside the police force and inside all these different enforcement arms.
	When you include women, you would lower the standard.
	You lower the standard in order to bring women in.
	Meaning the female standards in the military.
	Physically?
	Yes.
	Physically.
	You need nurses in the military.
	You need women.
	They're not helping us, you're mine.
	they are there you don't need a nurse and you don't need You don't need female nurses.
	You could have male nurses.
	Oh, no, no.
	I'm just going on more of the traditional values of like.
	Yeah, but I'm just talking about an equalization of force.
	Men have an overwhelming amount of power and force.
	And so women can't actually enforce their rights against men, whereas men can change the conditions almost anytime they want based on their will because they have the monopoly on force.
	You don't think that's because that's how it's been set up in time in history for them?
	If it wasn't for men, schizophrenic, thank you for the gifted hundreds of people.
	No, it's not.
	The reason that it's that way is because men are overwhelmingly physically stronger than women.
	Who are women's rights protecting us from, though?
	I'm like, a general, were they protecting women from other women or women from, as you said, the people who hold the monopoly on brute force?
	Well, they're not really protecting anybody from anything because they're an illusion.
	It's illusory.
	But if you were to answer my question, the reason that women felt so strongly.
	They didn't feel strongly.
	The suffragettes were a small, small portion.
	Most women did not want the right.
	I can't even get into this, but most women did not want most of these rights.
	Okay.
	I can't get into it for TOS reasons, but most of them didn't even want them.
	I'm not just.
	ended up happening instead was that it was a small collective of very weak men who really pushed through with a lot of money to push feminists and these feminist ideals through but most women didn't want anything to do with it because he let me if you don't mind if you'll humor me let me read these anti-arguments This is from an original anti-suffrage flyer.
	Why were the weak men not even a feminist?
	Special privileges.
	Married women are not required to contribute to support of the family.
	Women may work, earn money, and spend it as she pleases, may own real and personal property and dispose of it, or sell it without her husband's knowledge or consent.
	The list goes on and on and on.
	Wife may have millions and cut her husband off without a cent.
	These do not sound like women were treated poorly or that they weren't treated as equals.
	They were treated as different because they are different.
	Agreed.
	And so what happened instead was that men had the overwhelming burden of responsibility and they were forced by society, the enforcement arm, which is other men, to do their duty.
	And women were not forced to do that.
	And when we see the societal role being reversed, where women are forced instead to take on roles that require duty, they don't want it.
	They completely reject it.
	Like she said, it's basically just all me, me, me.
	And that's why the roles are so messed up.
	That's why everything is so reversed.
	That's why everything is the opposite of what it's supposed to be.
	I'm just curious then, why do you still feel like I'm a feminist?
	I'm just curious.
	Okay.
	Let's maybe just move on.
	Let's move on.
	Let's move on.
	But maybe we can come back to it.
	I have one quick question for you.
	You say you don't want to date men who play video games.
	I don't object to that preference.
	Would you object to, for example, a man not wanting to date a woman who does OnlyFans?
	No.
	Okay.
	I think that's fair.
	It's not for everybody.
	The video games, I think, I would just like, I'd be open to it, but I would like really need to see that like you're in control and it's not like an addiction that like comes before your family.
	Sure.
	And bringing it back to, I think, the original question.
	So we're going around the table asking if everybody was a feminist.
	I think what I was trying to get at, hold on.
	Modest people donated $200.
	Andrew W. Why are we pretending men and women are the same and letting men who identify as women to literally take over women's sports?
	It is literally Looney Tune land.
	Camel, do you live in Looneytune?
	Yo, Maddis, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	My question for you guys is, because some of you guys said, well, I'm a feminist.
	I think it was primarily you and then you, Farha, but you also enjoy those more traditional elements.
	And when you say the traditional elements, would you say like the guy being chivalrous, like paying for first dates?
	Yeah, I think I should pay for first dates and take on a lion's share of the bills.
	Lion's share of the burden.
	Even if the girl doesn't meet submissive feminine qualities.
	Even if the girl doesn't meet submissive feminine qualities.
	I mean, he doesn't have to.
	It's his prerogative, but I think it's still congruent with feminism.
	Well, that's my question.
	How do you reconcile being feminists, which I suppose a typical feminist belief is gender equality, doing away with gender roles?
	How do you reconcile being feminists, but also demanding men adhere to their more traditional gender rules, such as paying for first aids, chivalry, et cetera, et cetera?
	How do you reconcile that?
	Because feminism is about social spheres to me, so even if women were to occupy 50% of Congress, 50% of leadership roles, 50% CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, that doesn't affect the fact that if you and I were dating and we were hooking up, I'm the one who has to take birth control.
	If we were to have a kid, I'm the one who has to bear the child.
	Are you on birth control?
	No, I'm not fucking.
	But, um...
	Or, you know, when we have a child, I'm the one who's going to have my pussy torn open to bear your child.
	I'm the one who has to breastfeed.
	So at the end of the day, you can only go 50-50 so far.
	And this idea of going 50-50 in terms of bills is actually just more of a burden on the woman because you can never go 50-50 in terms of actual reproductive.
	But that assumes that the first person you ever date, that ends up becoming your husband and the person you have children with.
	Not necessarily, even if you're just hooking up.
	I mean, birth control increases your chance of breast cancer by 20%, fucks up your hormones.
	I'm just like altering my body.
	But so if I'm dating a woman who's not on birth control and she doesn't want to have children, under those circumstances, would you be okay with the woman like a 50-50 dynamic, or even then you'd object to it?
	It's not that I would object.
	I would just say, generally, given the dynamics of dating and the idea that usually people are having sex and that women are taking birth control so that the man can have increased sexual pleasure.
	I'm not going to put on birth control.
	Okay, well, just given the idea of like a goal of a relationship, which is typically that you're dating to have kids or you're dating to marry to then have kids.
	So I'm seeing it more in like a macro sense.
	I think the idea of 50-50 is ridiculous.
	Well, she just went on 100%.
	If you're just doing hookup culture and whatever she's doing, then I don't think, I think object, I think 50-50 seems more fair.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	I mean, you just went on 100 first dates in the past two months.
	Do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	I don't want them, but I think this is a great indication of where they are in life.
	So if somebody doesn't earlier in the conversation, you said you want a guy who matches you or exceeds you.
	So if they feel like they cannot, for whatever, I'm just assuming that it's their materialistic situation that doesn't allow them to pay for the date, probably not somebody I should be seeing because it's going to cause tension later on.
	Okay.
	But that's completely optional.
	Like if they want to split that.
	Would there be a second date?
	You might.
	It depends on how much I like them because it's not only.
	It would be a negative if a guy did wanted to split the bill.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do you want to take it over?
	Well, what about this communist?
	Okay, I'm not, we don't have to get back into that.
	But that's where my traditional values come.
	I don't think it's like against anybody.
	Like it's 50-50.
	But like for my goals of like, I want a big family.
	And that's again, what are you dating for?
	You need to like find out your purpose.
	So if like I was dating right now to like have like a family, like of course I'm not going to date like the guy who works at Subway because he probably doesn't make enough money to provide for four kids.
	Let me ask you two question.
	So you said societally, you want equality, but when it comes to romantic relationships, you want tradition.
	Would you...
	It's not that I want tradition, I...
	I think that the biological imperative of men and women is going to be there even if women are CEOs and are taking on a more masculine role.
	Yes, I agree with that.
	I agree with that.
	I agree with that.
	Would you take your husband's last name?
	If it was a nice last name, yeah.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Would you take your husband's last name?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm not even eating.
	If I was super like Kim K famous, then I'd probably do a hyphenated like Kardashian situation.
	But so you're saying you demand tradition romantically, but romantic tradition would dictate that in a marriage you would take your husband's last name and your children would also have your husband's last name regardless of how egregiously bad his last name was or wasn't.
	Yeah, I mean the kids can take his name.
	No, but you would take it too.
	That's tradition.
	Romantic.
	That's not traditional.
	Romantic name.
	I said some traditional values.
	I didn't say necessarily relationships have to be entirely traditional.
	I said in terms of paying the bills, I have more traditional relationships.
	When the kid is born, what name does he get?
	Does a kid get?
	I guess it's up to the couple at hand if they want to hyphenate it.
	No, but in your traditional worldview when it comes to dating anyways.
	Your feminist traditional worldview.
	For me personally, I want to keep my name for my own branding.
	For like the average couple, I think you could hyphenate it.
	I think that's a good idea.
	That's not traditional, though.
	Yeah, so and if you had a kid.
	I said some traditional values.
	My point was.
	So you only want the traditional values that benefit you.
	Not about benefiting, it's about evening out the fact that my reproductive role is not 50-50.
	So, why would we go 50-50 on bills?
	Well, what about the fact that we can't go 50-50 on that caregiving aspect?
	But if you are in the caregiving aspect and you're staying at home and taking care of the kid, your obligation to that is only 18 years.
	So, if he's working, right, he's working to support you the entire time.
	After that obligation is done, he's still working and you're not working.
	So, you get, so in some ways, you get a shortcut to retirement.
	Example.
	Wow, yo, AB Check, thank you so much, man, for the gift of 50 memberships.
	An example, yeah, example, me and my wife, okay?
	Uh, the youngest one that I have now left at home, 12 years old, okay?
	That's not gonna, or 11, sorry, 11 years old.
	It's not that long, okay?
	That's only what, um, you know, a few short years before she may launch out of the pad.
	Well, now my wife, she's pretty young, she's still pretty young, and she'll still be fairly young even when that happens, but I'll still be taking care of and paying all the bills.
	She won't have to do any of that, right?
	So, yes, she took care of her obligation on the front end, but on the back end, the man's still working the entire time.
	So, I don't see, I don't see where this idea of fairness comes from from you when you say, Well, it's because I have to give birth and then stay at home.
	It's like, well, that's the easier job, one.
	And then, two, you're paid for even after, even after the child's no longer needs 24-hour assistance.
	And remember, the time frame when that happens, it's only the first two, three years when they really need round-the-clock assistance.
	Yeah, I'm not correlating it to round-the-clock assistance.
	And also, yeah, most couples have more than one child.
	And so it's not just the first 18 years, it could be up to 30 years in theory.
	Yeah, even if it could, if it's 30 years.
	Yeah, obviously they could tailor it to their actual familial duties and their planning.
	Right, but really, even when you look at the cycle, let's say you had five, six kids, something like that.
	Most people won't.
	They'll have two or three, right?
	But let's just assume it for the sake of assuming it.
	They usually spaced out by two or three years.
	Okay, so they don't need round-the-clock assistance after the first couple of years.
	They don't need that anymore.
	And then the older they get when they get to, you know, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.
	Basically, every single year that goes, the less that you really have to focus on taking care of them other than like basic meals things like this, they can basically take care of themselves against them.
	Of course, but if I've had a lot of mothers don't just fly away.
	Well, I'm not saying that they are, but even then, when they're not flying away and they're 18, it's the man who's covering their bills then too.
	So then, if a question for you, Farmer.
	I just had a different upbringing.
	So it's like I'm not.
	The man covering their bills.
	But even if the kid stays, now the man's still taking care of that.
	And the mom doesn't have to take care of it at all.
	Not at all.
	Doesn't have to work, doesn't have to do anything.
	And the caregiving portion of it, that's gone.
	And the man's still working to take care of him, even if the kid doesn't.
	But is the wife not taking care of you anymore either?
	Like, you know, cooking.
	But if you're talking about what's equal, right?
	Isn't the wife supposed to be doing that?
	No, no, I don't.
	Right, so if she's supposed to be doing that as already as a baseline, you can't throw that in and say, well, it makes it more equal.
	That's just her job.
	No, I didn't say made more equal.
	I was just asking if in your situation, you're still expecting after all these.
	Oh, yeah, no, I expect breakfast made.
	I expect lunch made.
	I expect dinner made.
	I expect all of that.
	That's not a task.
	No, it's a task, but it's not.
	You deserve to be caught up.
	It doesn't seem very difficult compared to that.
	I'm just catching up.
	Major Arreal for Modest Simpica.
	That 304 looks like our slur jasmine on crack.
	That's simple.
	Also, can the panel pronounce miscognistic hashtag I want smoke?
	What word are they misogynistic?
	Yeah, we had a girl in the previous show totally butcher the pronunciation of that word.
	Thank you, LP.
	Appreciate it, man.
	So anyway, Yavi, you just kind of like dive back in maybe to wrap this up or whatever.
	But yeah, when you're talking about her tasks and duties, no, I don't think her tasks and duties are draining.
	I think that she was able, in fact, to have so much additional time based on my labor that she was able to write a best-selling book, which is a best-selling book right now that you can buy.
	And you know who gets all of the royalties of that book?
	Me.
	Every bit of it.
	Every bit.
	And if she gets any of it, it's due to my largest.
	Why?
	Because I took care of her for the entirety of her life and took good care of my children for the entirety of their life.
	And will still continue to do that.
	After you die?
	Of course.
	Assuming I'm the one who goes first, right?
	But you don't know how that'll go.
	But we're still looking at, we're still pretty young, right?
	Ultimately.
	I just don't, like, when it comes to the whole tradition thing, I just don't understand because, like, an 18-year-old woman, she's, is she immediately going to have children?
	What if that relationship doesn't pan out?
	So that's, that's, all the value is front-loaded on the man because not every relationship is going to culminate in having children.
	Yeah.
	So it's aligned with the way I date.
	So for instance, I'm not currently dating.
	I'm not on dating apps.
	Next time I date, I'm dating to marry.
	So that's more.
	You're an outlier, I guess, in that regard.
	Sure, yeah, that's why I also mentioned the fact that I have more traditional values, perhaps, with dating goals.
	But I'm not dating for experience.
	But you have traditional values, but you claim to have traditional values, but you wouldn't take your husband's last name, which is a traditional value.
	You do OnlyFans, which is not traditional.
	Because my view is part of traditionality is modesty.
	Sure, I don't think I need to subscribe to the entire package of traditionalism, but that doesn't mean I'm cherry-picking.
	It's what I think is most fulfilling and what I think is most conducive to success.
	So for me, I value the idea of getting married.
	That's why I'm waiting until marriage.
	I value dating to get married, so I'm saying I don't see...
	Wait, you're waiting until marriage for what?
	To fuck.
	To have sex.
	Yeah.
	You're waiting until marriage?
	Yeah.
	Why should that blow your mind?
	Because that's a traditional value.
	she said something differently on a previous show i think yeah that's that's like the most if if if fara was saving gold bars it would be less valuable than that in this day and age So no, nothing but props from me.
	But you've previously answered that question differently.
	Look, I guess my whole big thing is you got women who want equality societally.
	Wait, she's answered that question differently before.
	Modest Hikim would donate you $200.
	Girl to look at your health lol.
	Yikes, girl, three, you need to remember you have ears.
	Sorry for assuming, but your kids will be better off with a man in the home mirror, HMU Andrew, Ty.
	Word?
	I do agree.
	It has to be a father figure, but it does not have to be a biological father.
	Wouldn't it be better, though, if it was?
	It would be if the overall relationship was healthy and it did not affect psychological state of the parents because that would be reflected on the child.
	Going to you.
	So the guy should pay for the first bill.
	What about, would you take, I think I already asked you, excuse me if I did.
	What about the second date?
	No, no, no, would you take your husband's last name?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I guess one of my issues with this whole like your position is that you claim to believe in tradition, but it's rather traditional to take your husband's last name.
	And I told you that's why it's not cherry-picking.
	I'm saying I'm like looking at each traditional value and saying what's most, what do I consider the most conducive to a healthy relationship?
	I don't know why taking his last name is going to lead to a healthy relationship.
	I think ways to have sex, to get married is going to lead to a healthy relationship.
	But I don't think the husband paying for first dates when you first meet him is going to lead to a healthier relationship necessarily either.
	Right, but her argument for that is, but on the front, on the front end, the woman bears more of a brunt.
	But that's not true.
	So that's my problem.
	It's like, that's not true.
	What you stated of the reason that I believe that men should be paying for more for me and it shouldn't be 50-50 is because on the front end, I think we have a bigger, or you know, like a larger cross to bear than they do.
	But that's not, that's not true.
	It's not correct.
	Not larger cross.
	I wasn't downplaying what men have to do.
	I was more so saying that like, I think this idea of going 50-50 in bills isn't actually a true 50-50 because my point is we can never really go truly 50-50 in terms of child rearing and childbearing.
	Yeah, but what I'm saying is that it should be 60-40 with the woman on the 60s side, right?
	So if you're really, if your value was fairness, anyway, that's what I'm saying.
	If your value is fairness and your argument is this isn't fair, right?
	I would make the same argument back, but just say, well, if that's the case, then you as the woman should probably be paying 60% and the man 40% and having the kids.
	Here I go.
	If it was about fairness.
	It wasn't necessarily about fairness.
	I was more so talking about biological imperative.
	And I was saying it doesn't matter how much feminism we sustain in society.
	You can't out-feminist the fact that I have a pussy and you have a dick.
	And when we have a kid, I'm the one who's going to be facing that brunt.
	I'm the one who's going to have my body fucked up.
	I'm the one who's going to have suicidal ideation because I may be having postpartum depression.
	I'm just saying like 50-50, in my opinion, is a fraud.
	Also, like women...
	Wait a second.
	But I kind of already responded to that, right?
	And said, no, that's not really true.
	You have less of a burden to bear overtime from the beginning.
	If I take 25 years out of the workforce to raise six of your kids, I have less of a burden.
	Yeah.
	How do you not?
	So I should be going to be a bad person.
	How do you not have less of a burden?
	Wait, I'm confused.
	So I should be paying manual labor.
	Oh, that's manual labor.
	What if your job is just a matter of time?
	I didn't know how to do that.
	I didn't think that was manual.
	I think that any job you can do in your pajamas can't be that hard.
	No, my point was you were saying she just has to care for the kid for 18 years, and then after that, now she has a free retirement.
	Pop in the DVD.
	Yeah.
	Pump in the DVD for the future.
	Truly, if you came home and your wife was in her pajamas every day, would that not like turn you off or make you feel a certain type of way?
	I don't think that, listen, I don't think here's what most men want as the outcome for their children, who for the most part, by the way, are sent off to public school and she's not watching them do nothing.
	Okay.
	They're sent off for eight hours a day to an institution very far away from her and that's most kids who are raised by women in current society.
	That's one.
	Two, even if she stays at home and she raises them and on top of raising them homeschools them, right?
	And she does that in her pajamas, then that's still the least lazy thing she could be doing in comparison to sending them off to public school.
	So yeah, I think when you're talking about the labor added and what they have to do to raise kids, they mostly outsource that anyway.
	Why is there such this like outsourcing takes time too?
	Oh, yeah.
	They have to wave at the school bus.
	It's a rough gig.
	They have to get their ass up at 6 a.m. to get them on a school bus.
	Do you ever think about how much it would cost you to pay a nanny, to pay a house cleaner, to pay a private chef, to pay like all these individuals?
	Let's reverse it.
	Well, let's just reverse it then.
	Okay, but what about how much it would cost for you to be able to stay at home all day and do absolutely nothing for the most part, right?
	And have cable television, have trash paid for, have your electric paid for, have all of your utilities, have vacations given to you, have all of that.
	That also has a high cost, a significant cost associated with it.
	So as you're bitching about, well, wait a second, my maid service should be compensated.
	It's like, well, your living expenses are already compensated.
	You have to do nothing for it.
	Well, it's not nothing.
	And I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
	It's nothing.
	It's get on the school bus and go back to bed.
	That's in a marriage.
	I wish.
	It's like it's like what?
	I would hate for my husband to just literally look at me and think if I'm a stay-at-home mom that I just don't do shit all day.
	If you go work and you have to like shovel bricks and pick up bricks and break your back, you're probably doing more laborious tasks than me.
	But as your partner, it would be so disrespectful to think that.
	To tell the truth.
	To tell the truth that I don't know to me if that's what you understand.
	It sounds like your wife might be lazy.
	Let's assume for a second I'm a bricklayer and I go out and I do this hard, awful, horrible job.
	And I started with no skills when I was doing it.
	It took me six years in order to just figure out how to start laying the brick.
	Okay?
	Because that's what it takes as a mason.
	And then after that, I'm wrecking my body every single day, working 12 hours a day, lifting some of the heaviest stuff you can imagine for 12 hours straight.
	And I come home and you're like, well, it's pretty disrespectful, Timmy.
	It's pretty disrespectful to me that you think I don't bust my ass the same way you do.
	I'm just saying it's just as a partner, if it's a true partnership, if the way you view it, I think it seems like it's a little bit more of a business to you.
	But if you're in more of a partnership, you have to, I think it would be really disrespectful if your husband came home and looked at you building a whole home for him, taking care of his kids, pushing the whole home for you.
	First of all, we don't even, first of all, we're talking about modern times.
	I'm talking in modern times.
	Dudes really used to build houses.
	None of us know how to build a house.
	I know how to build a house.
	I created a house.
	Andrew can build a house.
	I can build a house.
	I heard it from Andrew Harris.
	That's fine.
	And more men need to learn how to build houses.
	I don't know if I could build a...
	So you could build this...
	There might be some things in a house.
	All right, well, do you have kids?
	Are you more of a cabin guy?
	Is it more of a cabin?
	Yeah.
	But most people can't build a house.
	Okay.
	Most people go buy a house.
	But I'm just, now I feel like you're pick party.
	You know what I mean by build a home.
	Yeah, yeah, no.
	Okay, I'll try to be as charitable as I can be about this.
	Okay, listen.
	But I'm just saying, if I pushed out three kids for you and you come home and you tell, you look at me raising your kids and you think I barely have done anything.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	What if I come home and I go, look, it took you two hours to pick up the house and keep it maintained.
	Okay.
	The washer and dryer is going, but you're not really, you're not manually washing the clothes anymore.
	I mean, you literally throw them in a machine.
	And then you go and you put the kids on a school bus and the kids leave in a school bus.
	What the hell else are you doing all the time?
	They have machines that do like manual labor.
	People used to have to.
	I don't know.
	I used to be a nanny.
	I used to change building houses.
	Even as a nanny keep up their health.
	I mean, there have been technological advances.
	Let's move on to something else.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You had a note here.
	You said that you see a lot of girls are kind of on an anti-man kick right now.
	Is any girl currently on the panel on an anti-man kick?
	I'm trying to get over my.
	Maltis Keekima donated $200.
	What?
	I didn't annoy you.
	Ignoring my generous tips is hate speech.
	I am a trans woman and you ignored my messages.
	I'm sorry.
	Get ready for legal action for not allowing my free speech.
	I am allowed under zero tolerance.
	I apologize.
	I'm sorry.
	I will donate to Glad.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	you okay?
	You look like you're...
	She's massaging her temples.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I usually go to bed around 11 and the drive is like two hours.
	I'm just letting you guys know I will sleep soon.
	Although I did enjoy this.
	I'm falling asleep and my back hurts.
	I love her.
	Your back hurts.
	You got back problems?
	What are your back problems?
	What you got?
	Here and here.
	Would you like to massage me, Brian?
	If you want to massage me, I got real back problems.
	So you can massage me if you want, but no.
	You're good, though.
	You can make another like four hours, right?
	Yeah, I think.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Is that how you guys usually go?
	No, no, we're not going to go that long.
	But any girls at the table on an anti-man kick right now?
	Anybody?
	You kind of?
	I was on one for like a while.
	I just started dating back in January.
	So like almost a year now.
	But like two years, I did a year of celibacy and then took a year of like no dating, nothing, but just.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	Okay, cool.
	So we have, we got some tweets.
	We have some tweets from some people.
	Nick, if you can pull it from you.
	Oh, from my tweets?
	Yeah, we have some of your tweets.
	Yes!
	I love this.
	White men, I especially don't need...
	Hold on.
	Grid One Motorsports donated $200.
	This panel is nothing but me, me, me, and discount all a man willingly provides.
	You deserve your future divorces.
	I feel like I'm going to have three.
	Please lay off the pre-work count before the show.
	I love men.
	I love men.
	They are equals.
	We're yin and yang.
	Why?
	I wish we were.
	Well, I'd love them too if I basically had to do nothing.
	They just gave me everything that I wanted.
	If we're reading my hate man white tweets, we're going to be here for a while.
	Let's get into it.
	We'll try to move through them quick.
	But these are some of your tweets.
	Okay.
	White, do you want to read them?
	White men, I especially don't need your opinion unsolicited.
	2019 on brand.
	Okay.
	Why specifically white men?
	Just curious.
	It's always just white men that just like some kind of problem.
	I grew up in a pre or predominantly mostly like white neighborhood.
	And it's just like one white man after the next is like always a fucking problem.
	Always starting some shit.
	Always getting in a fight.
	These are like rich neighborhoods, which I think are like even worse because they have the money to try to do whatever the fuck they want.
	The most times I've been in danger, the most like anything, like bad things is like always happening around white men.
	What?
	The most times that you've been in.
	Let me ask you this.
	Have you lived in predominantly non-white areas?
	Now, yes.
	And I'm usually the only white person in most places I go to.
	So I feel much more comfortable.
	Just for the sake of getting through all the tweets, we have a ton, so maybe we'll...
	Okay, next, Nick.
	Men are pigs.
	Yes, men are pigs.
	2014.
	Okay, Loki, I was like 16 there.
	So like.
	Okay.
	Still not wrong, but.
	A little misandrist, maybe, don't you think?
	Just a little bit.
	Men are so gross.
	They really are, though.
	Wait, what?
	Men are gross.
	Don't you think it's a little, you know, maybe a little sexist to say that?
	Well, before you answer that, do the girls at the table agree with what she's saying?
	I love men.
	Wait, sorry, what did you say?
	She said men are grappling.
	Men are gross.
	They fart and leave hair places.
	Yeah, women never do that, right?
	Like, they're dirtier.
	I guess that's true statistically.
	Yeah, they had 10 times higher.
	Like, I'm not saying, like, gross, get away from it.
	They menstruate and they put their hair in the drains and they, et cetera, et cetera.
	So we'll go further lengths to hide it.
	Like we could poop and then we'd run out the street like two miles down to a Starbucks at 6 a.m., try to come back, brush our teeth and pretend like we never got off.
	Okay, look, I have five daughters.
	Five.
	Okay.
	And what I'm telling you right now is that the mystery of femininity and their grossness, but you're their dad.
	You're their dad.
	Like, you're going to see that.
	Yeah, there's no mystery to this.
	But you're not their husband.
	We got some more tweets.
	We got some more tweets here, so I'll just have you continue reading them.
	I'm crying.
	Here's your monthly update.
	June update.
	Men are still trash.
	Facts.
	Okay, men are okay.
	Next, I guess.
	November forecast.
	Men are still trash.
	I do the monthly update.
	Like, it's my service to the people.
	Do you agree with that, though?
	I'm laughing because honestly, a lot of the people in your chat are almost saying the same thing, like opposite.
	A few of them, so I just think it's funny.
	If there's any menu.
	I'm sure they have a lot of.
	Well, okay.
	If there's any men in the chat that are saying women are trash, I object.
	I wasn't saying that you agree.
	I just.
	I know, but I just want to point out I would object to a man in the chat or any man saying that women are trash.
	I wouldn't object to it now.
	Whoa, Okay, that was a joke.
	That was a joke.
	Oh, wait, that was not.
	He's joking.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Okay, next tweet.
	Joking.
	Wait.
	Men treat your women with respect and love.
	Oh, my.
	They disagree.
	I don't object to that, really, but should women treat their men with respect and love?
	Yes.
	It's a two-way street.
	Okay, next.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Update: men are still trash.
	This is two-way.
	My opinion is very wrong.
	Not every man is sane.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Next.
	Fuck men.
	Okay, but can we get like current ones?
	Like, these are from when I was like in high school.
	No, well, okay, hold on.
	You're 28.
	This was 2018, so you were 22.
	Two years.
	Okay, two years after high school.
	20, right?
	Well, no, what?
	2014.
	2018.
	2018, 2019, 19.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	20.
	Men have the most fragile egos.
	True.
	Do you think you're projecting a little bit?
	Not really.
	I don't really.
	Next.
	I mean, that's a good question.
	Besides white men in general, nothing triggers me more when a white man tells me to keep it up when I'm working out.
	Oh, yeah.
	I hate that.
	White guys, white, literally, all the time I'll work out.
	And they'll come up to me and be like, good job, keep going.
	You got this.
	But they'll pass Yamani or someone else behind me or in front of me and says nothing to them.
	Again, could you think of a reason why that might be?
	Because they're amazed that a fat person does exercise.
	Right.
	So it's, I mean, what?
	But think about that for a second, though.
	Like, what you just said.
	Like, that's like if you were in the 50s and like watched a black person drink out of a white water fountain, you're not going to be like, no, that's a little different.
	No, it's not a little bit of that.
	Maybe a little bit.
	If I change my hair, because.
	What are you doing to the microphone, lady?
	You're literally rubbing your concealer on the tip of the microphones.
	I'm Cuddle in that.
	Do you mind?
	You're so high maintenance.
	Okay.
	We didn't even start dating, Brian.
	What's that?
	What?
	We didn't even.
	Okay, all right.
	It was a joke.
	Okay, let's continue with the I do agree a little bit with you.
	I think that white men, generally speaking, have a higher chance getting away with being insensitive.
	That's all I have to say.
	Today, I'm not sure about her tweets.
	But other than that, I'm saying, like, today you think that?
	You think that white men get away with saying insensitive things more than other people?
	Yes.
	More than other people today.
	I'm not sure about that.
	I'm not sure about that.
	Like if you look at rap music, like if I were to call a woman the B word.
	Yeah, what are you doing?
	That's subjective, though, because I use bitch all the time.
	If I even have that subjectivity, it's like whatever you need to do.
	I'm also going to make your life easier.
	You know, to use rap music to generate, like, I well, because in rap music, it could be thrown around the world.
	But that's a predominantly black thing, and we're talking about white men right now.
	Okay, let's continue.
	Yeah, but the contrast is not.
	Why does it matter what their race is?
	It's not okay.
	Well, there are a white guy could make a race on, and he's raping.
	It's still not okay.
	Shout out Eminem.
	What's up?
	Yeah, they just shut up.
	But it is because it's not a rap.
	You rap.
	Oh, pause the show.
	Pause the fucking show.
	Let's hear something.
	Oh.
	What do you want?
	I don't know.
	Let's go.
	Come on, drop it.
	Drop it.
	Come on, come on, come on.
	Let's hear the rap.
	Imagine if I did that.
	Here, though.
	Okay.
	Okay, wait.
	You got this.
	Okay, let me see.
	Can't hold my breath.
	Can't hold my tongue.
	Think I'm naive?
	Or really that dumb?
	Life in the trap, already so rough.
	You're lucky I'm flossing and don't have my gun.
	It's on and it's popping.
	Get ready to run.
	One time before, already too much.
	I cut the cords and I'm calling you bluff.
	I was so lucky.
	Lucky for what?
	That was dope.
	That was the shit.
	The actual mic tip.
	Boom.
	That was the shit, son.
	Okay.
	Next tweet.
	Ew, you're so disgusting.
	Hashtag men.
	2015.
	Ooh, that was a tough one.
	Little misandris, don't you think?
	Okay.
	Sorry, what does misandrice mean?
	It's the opposite of misogyny, hatred, contempt.
	Ooh, okay.
	God cursed me with a middle-aged and African men hitting on me.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, that's like 2010.
	That's like that's eighth grade.
	No, but I love African men.
	No, they can't.
	Wow, it didn't sound like you liked it that much then.
	Well, that's also when I was growing up like seventh grade Republican.
	So do you want to go ahead?
	Men are disgusting pigs.
	I'm sick to my stomach.
	I like how you emphasize these.
	Like, these are how they sounded in my head out there.
	No, exactly.
	I will grant you that was in 2011.
	Do you still feel that way?
	Not so much now.
	I mean, realistically, I was 14 during that time.
	Well, no, you said you're 28, so 2011, that was.
	2010.
	Well, that most recent one, I think, was 2011.
	Okay.
	So that's a year after eighth grade.
	15.
	Yeah.
	I grew up in a very conservative, like racist ass, like, neighborhood area.
	I, yeah, I grew up in Orange County.
	That's some OC or something.
	And so I used to be like a whole different person.
	Shout out to Sun.
	You know, you wouldn't.
	I can see those tweets.
	I get it.
	See that?
	More tweets.
	The real world makes me hate men even more.
	Are you talking about the show?
	The show.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But it makes you the show makes you hate men.
	Yeah.
	But now I know more about reality TV and I hate to see you.
	Even more than you.
	Reality TV tonight.
	I already did.
	Okay, next.
	Yes.
	Today I wish I had a little shirt that said, I hate men.
	That'd be so cute.
	2017.
	In a crock top.
	2017.
	Is it hilarious?
	Yes.
	Would you, if I had a shirt that said, I hate women, would that be hilarious?
	That'd be low-key iconic.
	I'm laughing because I've just known her for so long and I just think it's funny that she's it funny.
	I think it's laughing, so it is.
	Well, there's no homicidal misandrist.
	Like if you wore a shirt that said I hate women, you'd be akin to like people like Christopher Harper Mercer, Elliot Rogers, and Sols who have actually left those kind of posts on Facebook and then killed like a dozen women.
	I think you have something for this, Andrew.
	No, I'm just saying that a woman has never said, I hate men and then gone and killed 12 men.
	No, no, they do.
	They just do it in their nursing roles.
	See, what they do is they do it over time in nursing roles and in roles where they're supposed to be taking care of children, things like this.
	That's when women kill.
	Wait, can you elaborate?
	Yeah.
	So for instance, women who are in roles where they're taking care of children, okay, whatever that role is, far more likely, far more likely in those roles, right, to hurt those children over time.
	The male children.
	I'm talking about the homicidal.
	Yeah, male children.
	They have to be a specific male.
	What I'm saying is that women kill, they just kill differently.
	So when you're like, the hatred towards women is an indicator that the men are going to hurt women.
	It's like, well, but it's an indicator both ways.
	It's just that because women kill differently and much more sadistically, in my opinion, it's even more sadistic.
	That's not to say that they don't, if they have a problem towards men, kill them because they clearly do.
	They just do it in capacity of caregiver, nurse.
	But you're saying they disproportionately harm male children.
	Well, if they hate men, yes.
	There's a statistic that women are disproportionately hurting male children and well, yeah.
	Well, let me give you an easy example of them disproportionately hurting male children.
	A lot of female teachers, do they think they have sex with more male children or female children?
	And you think those are the type of women who are wearing a shirt that maybe says, I hate men, like, and that they test positive for misandrication.
	That's not what your question was.
	It was related to him specifically.
	That was not your question.
	No, no, no, no.
	You're changing the goalpost.
	Your question specifically.
	Your question to me specifically was, are you saying that women harm male children more?
	Because that was in response to the idea that I hate women.
	It's usually correlated to being in an incel community, which does is a component of the menu.
	So are you fine with the shirt?
	I didn't say I was fine with it.
	I'm just saying you're trying to make it, you drew an analogy and said it was a pure parallel to having a shirt that says, I hate women, and I'm saying it's not.
	It is.
	It's exactly what you're doing.
	But I also want to be real with me.
	No, no, no, no.
	What would be the pure parallel?
	There is no pure parallel because as much as she tweets, men are gross, she's never going to be so incentivized that she goes and kills.
	How do you know that?
	Even if she's curved by 12 fuckboys in one year, she's never going to go kill.
	That just doesn't happen.
	How do you know that?
	Okay, hold on.
	Where are the stories?
	Where are the statistics?
	Yes, caregiver positions.
	They do kill.
	I don't know why you're not.
	And then show a tweet of those caregivers saying, I hate men.
	We're drawing a correlation between misandry and disproportionately harming men.
	Are you serious?
	There's whole books that are devoted on this topic about how female serial killers are often, they're mad at men because they were abused or because of any number of different problems they have with men specifically.
	It's like male serial killers.
	It's a huge red flag.
	Okay, no, female serial killers are espousing misandray.
	So here, I'll give you an example of this.
	Let's say that I had a nurse.
	I was like in a hospital laid up or something.
	And I went on this nurse's Twitter and it had all the tweets that were like this.
	Think that wouldn't be a red flag for me to be like, man, maybe don't come in my room and play with my IG.
	Maybe don't come in here and change my drip.
	Okay, I'll give you that.
	That's like a fair.
	But also, I do, I want you guys to be really real with me right now.
	Okay.
	Those tweets, majority of them, let's be real.
	2010, 2018, I'm still living at home.
	I have a father who punches me in the face, strangles me, throws furniture at me, beats me up against an oven, does all sorts of things, killed me almost three times.
	That's like all these things.
	You don't think, I'm not saying those are right, but you don't think me tweeting at 14, being like, I hate men is like the worst thing.
	Look, it's like a diary.
	You were a little bit of a drink.
	Those were chronics between 14 and 20 years old of when I still lived in.
	I think there's much more recent posts where you say men are trash, men are gross, men suck.
	Those are much more recent.
	But not only that, he asked you this, right?
	So this is fine to give that qualifying.
	And I also said I was coming out of my man-hating face.
	Yeah, hey, it's fine for you to have that qualifier and I'll say, okay, sure, that's a fair qualifier, except he asked you literally five, six minutes ago, hey, do you still feel this way?
	And you were like, kind of.
	Yeah, kind of.
	So it's like jumping up and down for him to read.
	So it doesn't really matter when they were written if you were to say that.
	I mean, because I think they're hilarious.
	But you think it's funny to say that men are trash, men are gross.
	I would actually argue, I mean, because you were saying, well, what's the impact?
	It's pretty shocking to me that, for example, if a man were to say those same things, you just replace men with women.
	That would you would get in major trouble.
	You'd get canceled.
	Here she is.
	She's a supervisor.
	Well, you're booking gigs.
	You've got all these like booked and booths.
	That's cancelable.
	That would be a cancelable offense if you're a man to say, I hate women.
	That's also backed by like how you said men are the almost sheer enforcers of power.
	They're stronger than us.
	So if going back to what you said, men are always stronger than women.
	They're always the bigger ones.
	They can enforce everything.
	So if we use those parallels and a man is tweeting that, you can look at it from the lens that he can actually enforce, I hate women.
	He can actually go overpower women versus from you and what you said about the power dynamics.
	First of all, the most, I didn't say that every man goes and beats and hurts women, but if you think that we, women, you think that there's no violence against women just for having a vagina?
	There's not.
	And there's a violence against, there is violence against the women.
	I'm not saying there isn't.
	And I'm just saying, there's violence against femininity.
	And I'm just, hold on.
	If you switch the tweets, statistics would show that if a man's expressing those things, it might be a little bit, come out a little bit more violent and a little bit more dangerous than a woman.
	This is just...
	Let me ask...
	Okay, let me ask you guys...
	Also being part of the LGBT community, this is kind of like...
	Let's not get into the weeds here.
	Do you guys...
	Do you guys know who Andy Warhol is?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What happened to Andy Warhol?
	Like in terms of what?
	Death, life.
	He was murdered by who was a raging anti-male feminist.
	She wrote a book called The Scum Manifesto.
	Her name was Valerie Solanis.
	So this idea that women are not one capable of violence or that they don't inflict violence.
	You said that.
	But this misander.
	I'm not discussed over tweets between consciousness.
	No, no, no.
	But Farha was making the point.
	Farha was making the point that misandery does not lead to violence when actually it is.
	I think she was trying to say, correct me if I'm wrong, it's less likely.
	Yeah, but let's just assume.
	Let's assume for a second.
	So none of that's true, but let's just assume it is.
	Let's just say that it was only less likely by 10%.
	That's a big chunk of it.
	Yeah, but who cares?
	That's still a massive, it would still be a massive problem and a massive red flag for you to say, yes, women do it too.
	They act out with misand.
	They just do it 10% less than men.
	So what?
	Wouldn't it still be a massive red flag that we should watch out for and still look at it the same way we would at men?
	Being very honest, a lot of men usually like that I say that stuff because what?
	Yeah.
	The reason being is they think it deters other men.
	So they're like, oh, the woman who hates men chose me.
	She must love me.
	They think she won't cheat because she's a misandress is what she's saying.
	And so Pete guys that I love when I say that, they're like, oh my, yeah, like you're only fucking with me.
	I'm special.
	I know it sounds crazy, but that checks out, but also I want to point out a different.
	It doesn't check out.
	When she's tweeting, I hate men, she's saying it because it's chic.
	And like she pointed out, she was participating in hookup culture because of Cardi B.
	It's not because I don't think she actually has, if you were to put her on a like lie detector test, I don't think she actually has hatred towards men.
	I don't think she actually, I don't think she actually gets off all violence towards men.
	I think a lot of men, though, who do have insurance, I think they do feel rejected from women.
	I think they feel ostracized in society.
	And I think they do have uniquely bad feelings towards women.
	I 100% would bet my life that she does not.
	And girls who tweet things like that are just trying to be fashionable.
	The only person who I ever wanted to like hurt was my father.
	Why are you making these assumptions?
	It's a panel.
	But I mean, she's pretty on the spot with that.
	No, but you can't walk back.
	But that's why I mentioned gay culture because in gay culture, being for the girls, gays, and days, even gay men tweet, like, it's a statement.
	It's a true statement.
	Exactly.
	And that, no offense, but I wouldn't understood it.
	I think it's corny and they should say it, but it's not at all parallel to misogyny.
	At some point, degrading and making jokes about your wife or whatever was almost as fashionable as saying I hate men.
	Like back in the days, men would sit around and women.
	You're like, oh, women, right?
	Okay, okay, okay.
	But to address your point that it's chic or cool or quirky to hate men, how emblematic is it of a just failure of society that men are not given respect and that it's it's a joke to hate men, that it's acceptable to hate men.
	That would be bigger evidence of male discretion.
	Because if you say, I hate women, the forces of feminism will descend upon you and you're going to get canceled, you'll get kicked out of school, you're going to lose opportunities.
	But nobody bats an eye if a woman has says things that are misandric or hateful towards men.
	First of all, that's not true.
	I think you should take a look at the streaming community.
	Kick is just drenched in misogyny and people making like anti-women jokes.
	They're so excited.
	But it's just quirky.
	No, it's not.
	No, my point was he wasn't doing it.
	History of violence against women listening way more than men have deplatformed.
	According to you guys, your argument is this is just quirky, right?
	This is just quirky.
	We're just going to be aware of it.
	I think there's truth to it.
	We're just funny.
	We're funnin', right?
	Yeah, okay.
	That's what I was saying.
	I think it's fine for those kick boys to say that because I think they're just poking fun and I think they're being stupid.
	I don't think it's...
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let's assume what she's saying is not a joke.
	Is it still funny?
	It's half true.
	If women were to mean it, it's one thing.
	I don't think she means it because these women are still down bad for male attention.
	I think the guys who do say I hate women, I think they genuinely feel it because they feel rejected and ostracized by women.
	Okay, let's put it this way.
	Like a girl will be like, oh, that guy blew me off or he like slept with my best friend.
	And then you're like, oh, I hate men.
	And then a girl will literally not give you her number and he'll fucking murder you and follow you home.
	When men happen, what percentage of men essayed five times and it's all from rejection.
	First off, that's terrible that that happened.
	However, the example that you gave was that women are just en masse, wholesale getting murdered for rejecting men.
	That's very rare.
	It does happen.
	It does happen, but that's extremely exceptional.
	Then I must be like the biggest outlier today.
	Enjoy your lonely man-hating life.
	I'm sure your husband will be infused in saving his children rather than yourself.
	Why save you?
	You hate men.
	Why save you?
	And remember that you're men haters.
	I love you.
	Save me from what?
	You're emotionally close to that, right?
	So I understand that you're emotionally close to it, but disconnect being emotional from it for a second.
	Okay.
	Let us assume for a second that you can agree with me that at least some women, some, just some, who will make tweets like this and are misandrous will act out in a way which is harmful to males by either poisoning them perhaps, like has been done in the past or things like, okay.
	So even if you just grant that it's some, even if it's only 10% of what it is for men or 30% of what it is for men, then you would still have to look at it and say, that's also bad and shouldn't happen the same way you would for men, right?
	No, because the disparity in percent is what makes the difference Big.
	And it's saying we're not talking about like, oh, when men hate women, they're watching violent, torturous, porn of women.
	Like, don't you think there are just stronger correlations between misogyny and actually getting off on women being harmed than her?
	I don't think she would feel any joy watching a man get beaten porn.
	But I think men who say, I hate women, they are watching torture.
	I'll prove it to you.
	I'll prove it to you.
	So let's take, oh man, I got to frame my language carefully here.
	But let's assume for a second that one of those school events, you know what I'm talking about, right?
	A school event perpetrated by a man.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	One of those types of events.
	A certain type of men.
	Let's assume.
	We're going to say like almost all of them are done by men, right?
	But like, let's say hypothetically that 10 or 20% of them were done by women.
	Any of the tweets that would lead you down the same primrose path of thinking about men in that category that would lead to you thinking they would do that, whatever women tweeted out the same things that were similar to that, shouldn't it be the same red flag?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you're tweeting murder, find the I love men tweets.
	Well, literally, the I love dude.
	When is it called to dude?
	Tweets are all over there.
	You're incriminating yourself.
	No, not always.
	They don't always incriminate themselves by saying, I'm going to go do this thing, but they have red flag-like behavior that leads to them doing the thing.
	But earlier, I even told you I had the chance to murder my father and I didn't, and I could have gotten away with it in self-defense.
	You got to be careful in that language, right?
	But like, I had the, I literally had the opportunity and had the chance to get away with it, and I didn't do it.
	Yeah, I know, I know, but try to understand kind of the way that you're making your arguments.
	Not every go, though.
	Kind of the way you're making your arguments and pushing your kind of worldview is to say I'm very emotionally close and so therefore true, right?
	The Nashville Christian school murderer stand out as a written and entire manifesto of hate.
	Men will get into a fight and kick each other's ass.
	Women will poison or shoot you in the back.
	What about war?
	What?
	Men are, he literally just, you said that they are the almost sole proportion.
	The only difference is like men are more brutal when they are smarter about men.
	Misinterpreting what I'm saying.
	I'm just saying that because men are the enforcement arm, that that means that they're in some way inherently violent.
	They are inherently violent.
	I'm saying that again, not all of them, but if we're talking about outliers, then the outliers in this case would be the men.
	So hang on.
	So when I'm talking about force, if we're talking about inherent violence, then what I'm saying here is that the inherent violence, which is used to protect your rights, that's good force for you, right?
	Men are inherently violent.
	No, I mean, I'm ACAP, so that's not really like...
	No, but that misses the point.
	The point is to say that violence itself is not bad.
	It's not inherently bad.
	It's only bad when it's used for a bad purpose, right?
	Can you like, generally, can you give me an example of that?
	Yeah, like if a man is using violence to protect your life, you wouldn't consider that to be bad violence.
	You would consider that like good violence, right?
	I guess.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So that's all I'm saying.
	So I'm just saying she's misinterpreting what I'm saying about enforcement.
	that doesn't mean that it's non-benevolent because enforcement of your rights would be a benevolent thing.
	I'm just saying that relates to kind of what we're speaking about in the fact that women on a larger scale face more violence from men than if you look at it on the other way.
	I'm not saying that.
	Hold on, I'm not saying that no woman has ever punched a man that they're dating.
	For example, men I date, I couldn't hurt them if I tried unless I had like a knife or a gun.
	I'm so little, I really, if I wanted to like, I would really have to work to like really physically harm most men that I date.
	Versus on the other hand, a man, most, I'm little.
	A guy could probably smack me one good time and whatever.
	Bringing that back to we face, we're more likely to just face more violence than the I think it's the opposite.
	So I see women hitting men all the time and men just take it.
	I see it everywhere all the time.
	Non-speaking.
	You see what?
	I'm not making it.
	Women hit men constantly and they don't do anything about it.
	This is exactly what I'm saying.
	I can hit a man.
	I'm not saying it makes it right.
	I would have to hit you probably five more times to hurt you than you would have to hit.
	But even if I agree or agree.
	Do you agree or disagree?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I'm not making it right.
	It's not cool if you.
	Okay, listen, I know, I know.
	I'm trying to answer your question.
	So I would agree that, yes, you might have to apply much more force than a man, but violence is still violence, right?
	So it's still, even if you hit a man and it hurts less than when a man hits the man, who's the conductor of the violence if the man doesn't hit him and you do?
	Wait, I got something really good on this.
	That's the point.
	I got something really good on this.
	So my understanding when it comes to, I believe it's non-reciprocal DV, the rates are actually the same between men and women.
	One very interesting statistic is that the domestic violence rate amongst lesbian women is, I believe, much, much higher than between gay men.
	It's 70%.
	So if violence is a male thing, how do we explain that in homosexual relationships with two women versus two men, where you've removed that dynamic?
	How can it be that the domestic violence rate is substantially higher in female-female relationships as compared to male-male relationships?
	And you're welcome to look up the stats on that, but it's been studied thoroughly.
	It's 70% of all the domestic violence inside of homosexual groups is female and female.
	I mean, again, I'm not disagreeing.
	I believe the numbers, but I kind of feel like I don't know.
	Sorry, sorry, I was just go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	What was I just saying?
	You were saying you believe the numbers.
	Oh, oh, oh.
	I think I could say, I don't know.
	I feel like women are maybe a little bit more emotionally reactionary in terms of when it comes to being in a relationship and reacting to for the most part will probably react a little bit quicker or like a little bit more with more force or energy or emotion.
	Violence.
	In terms of, yeah, you can, you can use it.
	Well, I'm saying emotion because I'm saying like, which it doesn't, it's not abuses, yelling, cry, yelling, screaming, whatever, kicking, violence, whatever.
	So all those things, like, we maybe, maybe get a little bit more amped up when it comes to like being in relationships.
	So maybe that's why.
	But I mean, for the most part, like, I don't.
	So the only reason, so by that logic, then the only reason that women aren't smacking men when they're inside of relationships with them is because the man can hit her harder.
	Probably.
	I'm not going to.
	So that would mean that inherently you're saying that women are more violent than men.
	Well, just like we're talking about men versus women acting on right, but if you're saying that, no, it's actually that women are more violent.
	It's just that there's a deterrent.
	Women have violence.
	Let me finish.
	I'm sure you want to smack a girl before you.
	What she's saying is this.
	She's saying, yeah, but that's my point.
	That's the what stopped you.
	Yeah, but you're saying here, honestly, saying here that women are more violent than men, and that the only reason, at least in relationships, you must be, because you say that the reason that they attack each other in same-sex relationships more is because they're more violent.
	They just don't do that to men because men can hit them harder.
	So they have to restrain themselves from striking them, which means that if you were to reverse the role and say that men were the weaker sex, that women would be way more abusive to them than men are to women.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	Okay.
	Just say it.
	I mean, wait, I was also, I was just, you asked why it wasn't necessary.
	I was just saying what might the possibility be.
	I still stand on the menu.
	Let me do a couple chats.
	Then we got some more tweets.
	We got Seeberg traditions are experiments that worked.
	If you choose to take the untraditional path, it is your choice, but it does not, it does come with increased risk.
	Also, Mira seems crazy enough to have, did I say wrong, to have fun with, but no more.
	Do you want to respond to that, Myra?
	Is it Mira?
	Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, my bad.
	She's making a spectacle.
	She looks like a sleepy dog.
	You know when dogs get sleepy?
	No, no, that wasn't like.
	He's like a cute dog.
	No, I wasn't, you know, trying to.
	There's an energy drink right here.
	Someone could get, let's give.
	Wait, did you get that just for her, Nick?
	Mira.
	Give her the energy drink.
	Give her.
	Do a little.
	Okay.
	We got Dayvon Jackson.
	While women who hate men are less likely to act out physically towards men than use other avenues such as gossip, innuendo, and reputation destruction, more likely to finesse financially and spread falsehood.
	That is, I think.
	Okay, I agree with that.
	Yeah, maybe women are more sneaky with their violence against men, but it's not like physically harming them.
	I mean, we're just really the case.
	Financially and emotionally, women are hurting men.
	Women are hurting.
	I mean, reputation destruction is huge.
	Like, that's frequently used.
	I think that only really works if you live in like a small town, but I mean, well, dick and pussies everywhere.
	No, no, I mean, the big problem is like workplace, right?
	Just workplace.
	You can destroy a man's reputation inside of the workplace, spread rumors, things like that.
	Now you have isolated the area in which most of his peers are.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, you could use gossip and slander to really good effect by just kind of narrowing the pool as to where it'll hurt most.
	You're right.
	Big city just screaming at the rooftop, this guy's a piece of shit that doesn't do anything.
	But spreading the rumors around his small workplace, that would do something.
	Yeah.
	We're trying to.
	How am I doing that in the workplace?
	Let's see.
	Well, usually they send an email, they call, they do things like that, or they talk to the wives who are co-workers.
	That type of thing.
	Let's get some tweets.
	Let's get some tweets.
	More tweets.
	We got more tweets.
	Go ahead.
	Boys, boys, boys.
	Where are the real men at?
	Okay, this one, you know, where's the real men?
	Where, you know, where are they?
	March updated.
	Men are still trash.
	2019.
	So that was you were most of these are 2019.
	So you were 24 then, so I mean, fully functioning.
	I was out of a breakup.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm not saying it's justified, but that's why I was hating men so much.
	Monthly update still trash.
	I need to make this a scrapbook.
	2018.
	Trash.
	Oh, read it.
	Oh, women.
	Well, go back to women who's why are men trash next women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition.
	So what are you saying?
	Are you saying there is that women need to want to seek beyond?
	I got to go back to like 2012 here.
	What does that tweet say again?
	Women who what seek to be equal with men's superiority?
	Lack ambition.
	What did I mean by that?
	That means that you want women to seek superiority over men.
	How is equal, I'm curious.
	Wait, but how am I telling them they lack ambition?
	As a woman, if equality is all you want, you lack ambition, your conquest needs to go beyond just equality.
	It needs to be supremacy.
	That's my interpretation of it.
	I mean, how else would you like to?
	Damn, I don't know if I was thinking that deep at 16, but maybe that's it.
	I'm not going to, honestly, I don't, that one's recall.
	Maybe you could be correct with that one.
	I have no defense for that.
	It just, it just came naturally to you.
	Maybe.
	Go ahead.
	It's just crazy how someone can treat you so bad.
	Wait, can hurt you so bad, then treat you like a sex object.
	Update.
	Men are still trash.
	I guess, and there's a bunch more.
	My question to you is: why not just say my past partner was trash, or this specific individual or these specific individuals are trash?
	Because to me, it appears.
	I could do that for you, Brian.
	Thank you.
	I could start that.
	You know, she goes home and I like to be open-minded.
	This podcast house, men are trash.
	Oh, no.
	I'll probably tweet.
	I'm probably going to tweet this is for Brian.
	Men are okay.
	I'll tweet it right now.
	I have a question.
	But you can't walk back because you're being, because you're being confronted, I feel like you're walking back an actual genuine position that you hold.
	No, well, I see that, yes.
	But I think maybe, I don't know, like not so much that you could vouch for me, but I don't know.
	When I think back to like 2010, 2014, 2016, those tweets, I'm growing up in a conservative neighborhood.
	I have very conservative beliefs.
	I've like have all these like different things in me.
	But at the same time, I had just started like hanging out with gangs and gangbanging and selling drugs and doing all that sort of stuff.
	Whoa, And so I was working in mostly male-dominated fields where I was the only women, woman.
	Which gang were you involved in?
	They're like neighborhood gangs in Reference.
	You were in a gang?
	It's gentrified pretty now.
	Like around Santa Ana.
	Were you a gang?
	I was in a gang.
	I was like holding drugs.
	Did you get jumped in?
	Huh?
	Jumped in.
	I mean, I was very much like, you were in the gang?
	Like, hate.
	Where were you?
	Yeah, I was still absolutely.
	There's ways to get in.
	There's ways to get in, but it's also if like being white, you have to like extra like prove yourself.
	Wait, what gang?
	Crip?
	Well, there's like, no, it's not like subsets.
	Yeah.
	So like you'll go to different like.
	Was it the white gang?
	No, mostly Hispanic.
	And then I started working for the Asian mafia.
	Oh, shit.
	So I'm mostly like bent.
	Wait, what about the drug?
	What were you doing with the drugs?
	Well, so the statute of limited time.
	Okay, long story short, stock market crashes around like 2008, whatever.
	Mom's like, you're going to public school now.
	Like we can't afford anything.
	I'm like, okay, I go to public school.
	I'm like, oh, my God.
	And like here I am.
	In school, you were dealing drugs?
	High school.
	High school.
	So I started selling fake IDs and then I started selling drugs after I had people like bring me to parties like I, you know, at the public school.
	So mostly worked around men.
	I would say I actually trust men more than I trust women because women didn't believe me growing up.
	But growing up, still around all these other dynamics of being like, the men are in charge.
	You got to listen to the men, whatever.
	Men, right?
	Yep.
	Fast forward these years.
	I want to say like 2017, I'm having like the liberal awakening.
	Like, which, and then two, three years ago pans into, like, communism and socialism.
	And just, like, literally, like, if you looked at like older me, women are suppressed by one.
	She loves Andrews.
	Growing up with such privilege, not understanding what living in the U.S. actually means.
	In communist QBY had so many freedoms like farming, staying.
	That doesn't sound bad, though.
	Thank you, Hakalama.
	But so I would definitely, like, I would say I don't.
	Did you ever shank anybody?
	I can't even.
	I mean, I've cut people.
	You shank somebody?
	You cut somebody?
	Shake them.
	You cut them.
	Like, cut them.
	With a ng.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Slice.
	I was there.
	You were there?
	Can't talk too much about it.
	Huh?
	Okay, let's get back to the tweets.
	I have a question about the last tweet.
	Okay.
	What was the last tweet?
	She said that, how can a man treat me so bad, hurt me so bad, and then treat me like a sex object?
	Yeah.
	My question is, is that not what you see yourself as?
	Not currently.
	Like, I think there's a difference between being a sex object and a sex symbol.
	And I think my whole life I've resonated with being a sex symbol.
	I think that's just you.
	And I think preferring a different word so it fits you.
	No, because so by sex object, that means like you can treat me however you want sexually.
	You can do XYZ.
	Sex symbol means I'm a representation of something.
	It's not something.
	Sex.
	Yeah, so you could have.
	Okay, it's the same.
	But that's like saying you're a sexual person, but that, like, if you embrace your sexuality, that doesn't mean that.
	Like, just because a girl dresses slutty doesn't mean she's having sex.
	She has an OnlyFans doesn't mean she's doing porn.
	Yeah, but if you're cool.
	Well, technically it does.
	But...
	I mean, I have OnlyFans.
	I don't do porn.
	Right, but do you take your clothes off for money?
	Topless.
	Okay, that's porn.
	Yes.
	Are you making money by taking your clothes off?
	It's not hard.
	Taking my top off.
	Okay, well, I mean, that's a justification of what you want the definition of porn to be.
	I mean, most people are sending, people are sending people nudes for free.
	Is that porn too?
	They're sending a person that they know or do you think it's porn because I'm getting paid for it or because I think it's porn because you're taking your clothes off and letting strange people that you don't know look at you naked.
	It's the purpose of being sexualized, and you know it's for the purpose of being sexualized.
	Why does that make her a sex object?
	Yeah, whatever.
	If I take my clothes off with my husband and I let him soften it, that's not the same thing at all.
	Then you have to get a lot of money.
	But I'm not in a nice dimensional way.
	I'm searching your name and seeing you naked on my phone.
	I have no idea who you are or anything about you.
	You would have to go through several paywalls to see me.
	That doesn't matter.
	Getting money for it makes it worse, not better.
	Make sure you're not.
	Why is it better that girls do it for free and I just get paid for it?
	I have literally never sent a nude in my entire life until last January.
	And girls have been sending nudes for free all the time and they're not the sluts.
	Oh, we know you.
	Okay, I'm not going to say that, Monas.
	Come on.
	Regardless of blank or not, next, please.
	Okay, here, we're running out of time.
	I want to try to get through all the tweets.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Go ahead.
	If you can read this.
	Oh, yeah.
	Men, they say you can't live with them, can't live without them, but right now I could totally live without them.
	Valid.
	Do you mean like romantically or just like societally?
	I think a lot of these tweets come from like when I don't want to be approached by men.
	I think it's kind of like a defense mechanism.
	Like someone's trying to reach out to me.
	They're not getting the hint.
	They're not whatever.
	Best way is to be like, I hate men.
	They see my social media posts, and either they're like, Well, I guess she's off limits right now, or they say it and they're like, Like I said earlier, I love this girl.
	Like, she doesn't like men.
	She likes me.
	Like, she's perfect.
	So, there's some guys where, like, yeah, it turns them off.
	And then there's some guys that turn them on.
	But I think my expression of hatred towards men is times.
	I either didn't want to be like sex object, sex symbol, whatever you want to package it as.
	I just wanted to be like, get away from me.
	Like, this is my red flag, red alert.
	Like, don't encounter me.
	It's like a safety coping mechanism.
	And I'm like, in the nicest way, we could probably find like a thousand I love dick.
	So you would say it's a cope.
	Maybe some parts.
	Like, yeah, it's like therapy.
	Twitter's always been kind of like my diary.
	Mirror.
	Yes, I have a question for you.
	Your spot comments first.
	Actually, go ahead.
	So, first of all, I wanted to say it's terrible that you had to go through such abuse from your dad.
	And I'm really sorry for that.
	I understand that you're masking a lot of that trauma with your sense of humor and your sarcasm.
	But do you think that your relationships and especially the ones to come in the future, even if they're healthy, they will be affected by the trauma with your dad that has not been healed?
	Um, I don't think so.
	That's why, that's why I feel like like not to be I'm a changed woman, but I did take like the past two years to like fully like I purposely like was celibate because I didn't want to like be date men and lead them on or treat them a certain way because I was feeling a certain way towards my ex and because I'm very empathetic.
	I do really care like how I make somebody feel hurting because I was like physically like hurt so badly.
	Like putting people in pain like makes me like cringe like genuinely.
	And so it's like I hate men's easier to like just kind of like, you know, like a diary entry post, whatever.
	But the past like two, three years, like I'm in therapy, I'm working on it.
	It's a big part of the reason why I didn't want to be in a relationship.
	So I think it'd be one thing if I was tweeting I hate men and was actively pursuing relationships with men, but I wasn't.
	And not only that, but I was like trying to push men away from me and not let them in.
	So I think now as I'm still doing the work, I go to therapy and have PTSD and EMDR and do all these things for those things.
	I think whoever gets me would actually like be pretty lucky because I'm like healing from this.
	I'm a better communicator.
	I think I'm a better mother.
	There's a reason I have six godchildren.
	So at the end, and three of those godchildren are all boys.
	So at the end of the day, I do see where you're coming from.
	I think that's probably some things I've done in the past, but that's definitely not who I want to be in the future, which is why, you know, we haven't seen those tweets in three years.
	I can't wear two at the same time.
	Far, join me.
	Okay.
	No, you put this one on and I'll take that one, okay?
	I don't like red.
	You put this one on.
	It matches your shirt.
	So, but yeah, so I'm genuinely like not to be cornball, but I'm doing the work.
	So like that doesn't happen.
	And that's why I said I'm trying to get over like being like here.
	Let's just try to get through all the tweets.
	Let's just try to get through all the tweets.
	Okay.
	How am I losing friends to white men?
	Disgusted.
	Oh, fuck.
	Yes.
	Okay, let's not linger.
	We'll just get through all of them and then we can, if there's any to address, go ahead, Nick.
	Yo, is it just me or are men extra trash this week?
	2019 next.
	Can we pretty fucking please send all the cis white men to a different planet?
	Still feel that.
	All the men that talk to Yamani are fucking trash.
	When was that?
	Yeah, what?
	Can we?
	2018.
	Yeah.
	Well, why do men feel the need?
	Why do men feel the need to mansplain things?
	I think it is a sexist statement to make.
	What do you think about mansplaining then?
	You don't think that's sexist in itself?
	Huh?
	Well, okay, so what term, like well, I think, for example, I assume you'd object to like woman splaining.
	That might be a good idea.
	Okay, I've never heard that, but okay, exactly.
	But there's not an overall.
	Sometimes, as girls, we know sometimes guys just explain stuff to us in a little bit of like a baby voice and like a little bit of like a slowed down.
	Or they'll tell us what we literally are.
	I just told them.
	And it's somehow their idea.
	I'm like, I literally just said that out my mouth.
	White men's planet will come to straight white men.
	Is it mansplaining just explaining with a point?
	Yes, because women, when we explain, we have no point.
	Is that the men are really trash?
	Men really be trash.
	Next.
	I know men ain't shit, but they actually ain't shit this week.
	As recently as 2023.
	I fucking hate white people.
	That's.
	My mom used to tell me I was racist against white people growing up.
	Aren't you white?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I really don't trust white people that much.
	To be fair.
	Is it okay to be racist against your own race?
	Well, let's go around the column.
	I mean, reverse racism, does that exist?
	I do want to go around the table on this, but we will come back to the tweets really quick.
	Can you be racist against?
	Hold on.
	Can you be racist against white people and can you be sexist against men?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I wanted to talk about nipples.
	And why it's okay for men to show them and not for women.
	We'll get to that.
	We'll get to that.
	Here, take your home.
	I love her.
	Here, give that space.
	Oh, I think I got.
	Can you help me?
	I got locked.
	Is it a lock?
	Unlock it?
	Yes.
	I'll take it.
	Okay, do you want to answer the question now?
	Back to reality.
	Do you think you can be racist against white people?
	And does sexism against men exist?
	Right?
	Well, no, can you be racist against white people and can you be sexist against men?
	If you're white, can you be racist against white people?
	Go ahead.
	So is that racism?
	If I'm white and I'm generalizing a negative idea about white people.
	I'm just asking, I want to move around the table quick on this.
	So can you be racist against white people and can you be sexist against men?
	Yes, yes.
	Modest Heat Kim had donated $200.
	Can we move on from the cow show?
	She has too much feeding.
	Be nice, guys.
	Be nice.
	We are all disgusted.
	It's like saying this guy.
	Be nice, though.
	Let's avoid the personal insults if we can.
	Going to you for the.
	Can you be racist against white people?
	Can you be sexist against men?
	Well, I don't think reverse racism against white people exists.
	I don't know what, I don't really know what reverse racism is, but can you be racist against white people and can you be sexist against men?
	No.
	And then what was the second one?
	Can you be racist against white people and can you be sexist against men?
	So no, yes.
	You can't be racist against white people.
	No.
	That's reverse racism, and I don't believe that exists.
	Now, are you talking about, let's say, are you saying, is your definition of racism prejudice plus power?
	Like in what?
	The ability to enforce the racism is what you consider racism versus just like me not liking a white person.
	Because I think you can be racist against any race, I suppose.
	What do you consider racism?
	What makes it racist is that you can enforce it and make some change someone else's life.
	So does that mean that women can't be racist?
	Oh.
	No, no, I was just saying.
	Women can be racist.
	But that wasn't.
	Into the mics, guys.
	Into the mics, just a reminder.
	Women can be racist.
	I don't know what that is.
	Let me ask a question.
	Could let's say we were in China.
	Could people in China be racist against white people in China?
	Yes.
	Right?
	Could Chinese people be racist towards white people?
	Let's say I'm an immigrant to China.
	I mean, we have no culture, so like, what are we, what's the racism about?
	White people have no culture?
	Ooh, that's.
	I want to hear that culture.
	I don't know how to do that.
	What's the culture on it here?
	Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Schubert, Bach.
	There's the baseline black.
	Like, that's what you're referring to?
	Most people are cultural.
	There's so much culture in Europe.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Okay, but maybe white Americans is what you have culture.
	Yes, they do.
	They brought over their own Europe.
	And then inside of the United States, all over, you can see collectives of this from Europeans who settled in the South, which has some of its own unique culture.
	If you go west, it has its own unique culture.
	And then on the East Coast, same thing.
	So yeah, they brought over a lot of things, but it was a hodgepodge of European heritages.
	But yeah, there's definitely some culture here in the U.S. for sure.
	White people don't have culture?
	We got culture.
	What's culture?
	I don't know.
	People that like hair style, don't you think it's kind of racist to say white people don't have a culture?
	What's the culture?
	I'm genuinely curious.
	Like, when you think white people culture in America, what is it?
	Potato salads, Starbucks, PSLs?
	Like, I'm so serious.
	Do you consider Italians white?
	I don't really think so.
	No.
	Because most people I know that are Italian don't like really like intertwine themselves.
	They're like, I'm not white, I'm Italian.
	I don't know.
	They're white.
	What about Irish people?
	They white.
	White?
	Okay, so the Irish are white, but not the Italians.
	Well, I don't know.
	I thought we were talking about Americans.
	You mentioned food, so I'm thinking Italian cuisine, for example.
	Okay.
	In Italy.
	Well, what would you say?
	I thought we were talking about American white people culture.
	You mentioned food, but...
	Well, you're talking about...
	What is the European, I mean, the American white people culture?
	Like, what is it?
	No, that's... Bruce Springsteen?
	Listen, the problem is is that you're framing the question incorrectly.
	So when you see you're trying to create a monolith out of a, so you're making a set out of a subset.
	Okay.
	So we actually have to look at the subset.
	Okay.
	So in the subset, you would say, what's American Irish culture, Dutch culture, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, like?
	It's not a complete monolith.
	So for instance, the way that the Dutch Amish behave are going to be completely different than the way that the German Amish behave.
	You would agree that that's true, right?
	I'm talking about American white culture.
	Yeah, that's Americans.
	Amish are Americans.
	They live in America.
	Okay, yeah.
	Okay, and they're white people.
	So the thing is, but they're a subset.
	So can I say that all of the things inside of Amish culture are part of white culture?
	I think I can.
	So I can say the wagons and the horses and the way that they live and their religion, all of that is a subset of white culture because that's a subset of whites.
	I also think it's quite subjective how you view the culture because even Starbucks and burgers, you know, people, let's say, in Europe will be looking at that American culture that you think is nothing exciting, but for them, they would be like, oh, the American dream.
	Like, look at that.
	Look at the fast food.
	Look at the cars.
	Look at their entertainment industry.
	And I think a big factor is also time.
	Because it's fairly fresh compared to the European countries.
	It's kind of considered, I think time will pass and people will look back and think about it as like the grand time in history.
	Does that make sense?
	That is Generally described like in terms of fast food, fast money, capitalism, entertainment, like everything that perhaps you could be perceiving as negative right now.
	Okay, sorry, what's the what's the that's also culture?
	I think that we have maybe in a few years.
	Modest Hikima donated $200.
	Fat white southern girl who doesn't understand she is fat and white.
	What do you think made you fat and white?
	Are you only fat because southern USA?
	What rental hoops leads you to that?
	I think that's from the colour.
	How do we think I was from the south?
	I want to know what was it?
	Because I said y'all when I say that you have to look at everything and look at it as a subset to culture.
	Okay.
	So like each in distinguishable.
	People don't have exciting culture.
	What?
	I say as compared to what?
	I mean like African heritage, Hispanic culture.
	Hispanic culture is high octane in comparison to because it's almost, by the way, when I think culture, I think about like people cooking in their kitchen, passing down like recipes, traditions.
	Like the Italians and the Irish and like the Germans, the mass migration to Germany.
	I mean, it's not a good thing.
	The white people around me growing up, everywhere I live, were not partaking in this.
	The driest food, no stories, no one shows emotions, very cold.
	The driest food?
	Yes, the worst food.
	But like.
	Wait, Italian.
	Okay, well, all right.
	That's here.
	Let's go.
	That's what's going on.
	The white people I have grown up around have had no culture.
	Where did you grow up again?
	Orange County.
	Orange County, what, California?
	Yes.
	Yeah, well, Orange County, California is basically just a progressive cesspool.
	So it's pretty conservative.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Look, here, let's keep moving.
	Can you be racist?
	Can you be racist against white people?
	Can you be sexist against men?
	Yes, but not all instances are as charged.
	So I think wearing a shirt that says, I hate men of sexists, but I'm not necessarily going to care as much as wearing a shirt against women.
	But I still think it's discriminating.
	Well, that could be your in-group.
	That could be your in-group bias.
	Speaking of that.
	No, I think it's just statistical absorbers.
	Do you object to misandry?
	Like, do I, I, like I said, her tweets are.
	You think I'm not.
	I don't think her tweets are a good example.
	I would never tweet what she tweets, but I'm not going to also, like, protest it, and it may be in the same way.
	But I wouldn't do it.
	You wouldn't, okay, you wouldn't do it, but let's just, let's just assume that you're right.
	The misogyny is worse than misandry.
	So do you object to misingry?
	Perhaps not to the degree that you object to misogyny, but do you still object to it or do you feel it's justified?
	No, I mean, it's justified maybe in that she's reacting to a trauma, but I don't think it's productive.
	So I would say like that's, you know what I mean?
	I don't think she should do it.
	Okay.
	But I wouldn't necessarily say that.
	Can you be racist again?
	Can you be racist against white people?
	Can you be sexist against men?
	I probably not.
	I mean, you can not like white people, but obviously if you think about, I'm not saying it's okay to not like white people.
	What do you think about white people?
	I just said I love white people, but obviously I've experienced the shittier part of white people.
	Can I ask you guys a question?
	If a black person victimized me in some way, would I be justified in broadly discriminating against or having contempt or hatred towards black people?
	How do they discriminate?
	I faced you.
	That's not.
	If someone, if a black person like if I was victimized by a black person, would that give me pretext to hate all black people?
	I mean, I personally, I don't want to say I wouldn't care, but if you, if someone, a black person did something bad to you and you turned around and were like, I hate black people, like, I get it psychologically, just like if someone does something bad to you, it makes sense why you would, it doesn't make sense, but I could see why you would not like those other people.
	But to have one person do something to you and then say that that means that you hate all of those people, I think that would be a little bit dramatic.
	But if you were to say you don't like black people, I don't know that I would care that much.
	I mean, I think that would be racist, but okay, what about it would be racist.
	Oh, you just don't object to the both.
	I think you could be racist against white people and you can also be sexist against women.
	And then you?
	I agree, but I also think that the descriptions that everyone over there is using is just prolonging their ability to make whatever definition of sexism or racism fit what they want it to fit, rather than, like I've seen a couple of episodes where girls are like saying that there is a spectrum of like black and white, for you know, there is a gray for everything,
	and I I viveantly disagree with that.
	Okay, here let's just try to get through the tweets.
	Oh my god, oh my gosh, I told you we'd be here all night.
	Keep going.
	It generally scares me to be alone in a house or a car with a white older male.
	Okay, that's because my dad yep.
	Next, can we take all the white straight males and shit them to their own island?
	Thank you, Honda.
	Well, that's nicer than the planet.
	Okay, we just, we just need to send all the white males to another planet planet Island.
	The previous one was cis white men.
	Yes uh, next.
	Sometimes I wish I was a straight white man so I could do anything I want and not care how it affects any others.
	Sigh, do you?
	Do you think that's the case, that just white men can pretty much run roughshod and do anything?
	For the most part at least where I grew up.
	Okay, with murder painting a picture here, okay.
	Next, I guess I didn't realize how deep my fucking hatred for white people goes like they literally make me fucking livid.
	I'm gonna need to do some deep healing work on this one 2020, and I started that journey three years ago.
	Okay yeah, like I said two or three years ago.
	Next, I started to try to spin my out of my hatred for men.
	Sometimes I wake up and I can't believe.
	I dated a white man for three months.
	Damn remember, white boy, that's what.
	That was what we called him okay.
	Next oh, that's it.
	Wow okay, we got through all of them.
	Okay, I mean, you didn't tweet much lately.
	No, because i'm trying to change men.
	If I I dated a white guy for three months, I couldn't believe it.
	But when I asked you if you still feel the same way I think there's some half-truths there I definitely don't think my hatred goes as deep.
	I have more perspective as someone now, like in the world and like, not a teen, not in college, whatever.
	I have more.
	Just you, as you were as recently as two or three years ago.
	You were making some of those tweets.
	Yeah, you would have been 24 two or three years ago is when I started like my therapy journey and was like I need to heal, For exactly what she was talking about, was not projecting that onto men, which I don't like.
	I don't think you were here for this when I said this, but that's what I've been working on in therapy, so I don't project on men.
	That's why I was celibate, didn't date for a year, was I didn't want to project the hatred I felt for my dad and my ex onto new men.
	Did you say you're a recovering misandrist?
	I'm a recovering misandrist.
	But you've already gonna have relapses.
	They'll probably be relapses.
	There's gonna be relapses.
	There probably will be.
	But I'm gonna really try for you guys.
	I'm really trying.
	It's just shocking.
	It's shock to me.
	Those tweets are egregiously abhorrent.
	Okay.
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	How do you hate white people when you look at the people?
	Let's not do ad hom.
	Let's not do ad hom.
	Because I told you, growing up in specifically where I grew up, because apparently people are here are not having the same white people shared experiences.
	It's like when you said, if a black man punched you, would you hate all black people?
	No.
	But if the same black man punched you every day for 15 years, you might fucking hate some black people.
	I would hate that individual person.
	I wouldn't broadly like, just, it's crazy to me because how many there's billions of men on this on this planet.
	Okay, no, I think you guys are also underestimating how I'm not, I don't hate men, and not every man that all of us have come in contact with is a terrible person, but most women do have she literally said all men are trash.
	You said all men suck, all men are gross.
	Sorry, I'm excluding this, but I was just saying I think.
	Is it Miss Andreas or chauvinistic?
	It's Miss Andreas.
	It's Miss Andreas.
	Yeah, thank you, Ben.
	Dude, Bone Man, this is my first time seeing you in the.
	Is this one of, have you, do you recognize the name Bone Man?
	Is he one of your guys?
	Could be.
	Well, hey, Bone Man, this is your first time.
	Thank you for joining, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Can't wait to see you.
	Thank you for all the support tonight.
	Actually, we have some of your tweets, so we can definitely get into nipples.
	Wait, did you have another point?
	No, we covered recovering Miss Andreas.
	What I was just saying is, I think it's just egregious, abhorrent.
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	Thank you, man.
	Please explain to me how 13% of the population are responsible for 50% of violent crime.
	This chick is racist as fuck.
	White cis men are the problem.
	Was that to me?
	No, it was towards me.
	Unfortunately, we can't really get into that truth bomb, but thank you very much for your patronage tonight.
	Poverty.
	Come on, baby.
	I think they're cis.
	Okay, never mind.
	Yeah, it's a lot of the white cis men that were before us.
	So do you think them?
	I'm just curious, do you think the world would be a bet?
	Because you said we should send white men, cis white men to an island, to another planet.
	I think there was less white people.
	What?
	Yo.
	It's crazy.
	I couldn't imagine.
	Maybe, maybe not currently, but like back in the day, we could have.
	I could not imagine that.
	I think the world would be a better place with less fat people.
	Whoa, okay, let's not get crazy.
	It's a joke.
	Everyone's entitled.
	doesn't need to be a joke because most people feel that way the difference is one is okay okay look I don't care.
	I would never allow what you just said to ever escape my mouth.
	So you said the world would be better with you.
	If I wasn't white, I probably wouldn't have said it.
	But this is how I feel as a white woman.
	Does she have the past, I guess?
	I don't know.
	The past?
	But you said white men, cis white men, should be sent to another planet.
	Yeah, mostly the straight white men.
	Mostly the straight white men.
	Okay.
	But you also said just the white men or just the men sent to another planet, sent to another island.
	I certainly object to that.
	Okay.
	Certainly disavow that.
	Okay.
	Just feeling.
	Let me ask you a question, though.
	What does the world look like?
	Like, are you in, you're actually in favor of less white people?
	I wouldn't care if the population of white people dwindled.
	Which it is.
	Which it is.
	Yes, because when you look at a global minority, they want it to become less.
	They're not insane guys.
	No, white people are a global minority because there's more people of color.
	Oh, who cares if like I just said, they're a global minority.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was just explaining.
	Yeah, they're a global minority.
	So basically, you don't like minorities?
	That's going a little farther.
	Well, I mean, they're a global minority.
	Why do you want there to be less?
	Fat people are minorities.
	No, now they're becoming a majority.
	Like, most people are obese, right?
	Or it's getting to the point where most people are obese.
	Most children are obese these days.
	And that's in America.
	So I'm asking your government about that.
	Why is it cheaper to afford unhealthy foods?
	Well, it's not.
	It's not.
	It's just cheaper to be lazy.
	And that's what happens is people don't want to make their food.
	There's so many reasons why someone could be fat, though.
	It doesn't just come down to what you want to do.
	Oh, yeah.
	Tell me about how the, I'm fat and that means I'm malnourished.
	Give me that again.
	Give me the.
	How many times do I have heard?
	Malnourish people are the fat people are just malnourished.
	That's the problem.
	Okay, I don't know.
	I think they need a little bit less nourishing.
	You know what I would suggest?
	In fact, I would suggest putting down the fork.
	And if you put down the fork, you're probably not going to be.
	That's what I would suggest.
	I mean, you could say that, but then you could also join me in the bathroom when I have eating disorder and I'm throwing up all my food.
	Good talk.
	So.
	Here, wait, let's just get back to that.
	That doesn't look like that's what's going on.
	Guys, let's get back to the business.
	I know, because fat people can have eating disorders too.
	And I have injuries that I'm dying.
	Hey, stop it.
	Get some hair.
	Guys, guys, guys, guys.
	Let's get back to the island.
	We can talk about that later.
	Let's talk about the island and the planet.
	Okay.
	So you would like, what is decimation when you reduce 10% of a to decimate a population?
	Is that reducing 10% of the population?
	Would you like to decimate the white people?
	I don't care about going out of my way to decimate.
	You wouldn't go out of your way.
	But if they're like, hey, we're taking out like 10% of the white people, I'd be like, who cares?
	I'd probably like off myself as tribute.
	Wait, what?
	I'd probably offer myself as tribute.
	I am a white person, therefore I would.
	If I could die and that meant the Native Americans could take back the land to America, I would like kill myself.
	Did you currently own a house?
	I did.
	I sold it.
	You sold it.
	Why didn't you offer it up for free to...
	Because I wasn't the only owner.
	Why didn't you collectively in your communist utopia offer to gift the land and the property to an indigenous person?
	I mean, that'd be great if I had the power to do that.
	Of course you were.
	That wasn't the only one who was on the estate and then it was also managed by two other people.
	So that one's like kind of an idea.
	If I had land to give away, I would.
	Let's say you were the ultimate dictator of the world, right?
	If you could manifest sending all white men to an.
	I can't do that because my best friend's a gay white man.
	That's why I'm like kind of like on the cis side, but he like he knows and he doesn't care.
	Okay, fine.
	If you could send all cis white men to another planet or to an island forever in perpetuity, Would you do it?
	If you had the power to do it.
	Is there, like, hmm.
	And this is a secret.
	It's a serious question.
	I don't know.
	I'm not going to say yes or no.
	You don't know like is there like what what's What's the goal?
	Or like, what's the problem?
	Tell us.
	She put up these.
	Please skip Shamu.
	It's not easy.
	Nice, be nice.
	Come on, guys.
	Talk to white girls about their big bones shamu.
	You should have an eating disorder, dumbass.
	Throwing off gravity.
	Please offer.
	Andrew Sawyer.
	Dude, guys, be nice.
	Holy fuck, bruv.
	Do you not scream these before?
	No, it's like, it comes in automatically.
	It's instant.
	It's like, boom.
	I mean, at least they're paying to be rude.
	So, like, true.
	I respect $200.
	Victim mindset to strong in this one.
	She absolutely can't take ownership for anything she says or does.
	This chick is absolutely not.
	Why don't you care about all the black men killing people?
	That's exactly.
	Black on black crime is a huge problem, but that's also mostly due to Ronald Raging and Richard Nixon.
	Are you a genocide?
	Are you a genocidal eugenicist?
	Just like Margaret Singer.
	Ooh, no.
	Here, we have it.
	Here, let me read this.
	Literally everything.
	This was in the fire too long.
	Literally everyone.
	And it's not that I'm white culture.
	Cars, electricity, politics, literature, technology, work ethic, innovation, self-improvement, philanthropy.
	That's from several years.
	Since improvement is white.
	Worth ethic.
	This whole country was bailed on people of color.
	What?
	Like, while the white people just, go do that, go do that.
	You know, they had to.
	Oh, my God.
	What?
	Innovation?
	Literally, the way black people have given so much more to innovation.
	Farha, do you co-sign her whole island planet thing?
	Of sending white people to another planet?
	Yeah.
	No.
	And to the mic, please, so they can.
	No, Brian.
	No, and then I would lose like a majority of my OnlyFans subscribers.
	So I'm not going to be pro-send the white man all the way to the planet.
	And I'm not backing up on anything I say.
	I stand on everything I said because at one point in time, that is how I genuinely feel.
	But you can evolve and grow as a person.
	If all men just disappeared, do you think the world would be better or worse?
	All men.
	It'd be safer.
	And I'm bisexual, so I went myself.
	Do you actually think the world would be safer if all men disappeared?
	It would not be safer.
	It would be absolutely catastrophic.
	I think maybe it wouldn't be safer in the terms like maybe a wolf might get me or something.
	A wolf?
	A wolf.
	Yo, AB check, thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	Thank you.
	How many women would freeze to death and starve to death?
	And men can't do the same.
	Well, here's the thing.
	Because they can't maintain infrastructure.
	Women can't maintain infrastructure.
	Well, if I'm so fat, how am I going to starve to death, Andrew?
	No, well, for you.
	Are you saying this hibernation?
	Are you talking about fair nature?
	Be fair for you.
	For you, AB, it might be six months for you.
	Okay.
	So long as she has a water supply, water, you can.
	Water is what, like five days with water.
	Or if you get stabbed, you'll probably die.
	Maybe not.
	Make it to the hospital.
	The hospital.
	I'm not worried.
	Yeah, a skinny person, she gets stabbed.
	She's probably going to hit her.
	I'm thinking she's going to die.
	I'm going to make it to the hospital.
	If all men were to disappear, the immediate catastrophe that that would be.
	For who?
	Immediate catastrophe.
	I don't think.
	How?
	Okay, so 95% of tanker drivers are men.
	90% tanker drivers.
	Tanker, like in the war, tankers.
	What's a tanker?
	The thing that hauls the gasoline.
	Why do you gotta an AT maker?
	So, food?
	No, no, no.
	I don't know what a tanker is.
	No, an AT wheeler is hauling workers are men.
	That's hauling a tank.
	Water, sewage, electricity, gas, fuel, refinement, telecommunications, IT infrastructure, road maintenance, delivery drivers, police, fire rescue.
	By other things, like fracking, electrical maintenance, nuclear engineering.
	Like the list goes on and on and on for all the ways.
	Are women incapable of doing those things?
	I'm just asking you to do that.
	No, but they're not enmeshed enough.
	Like, if you had, let's say you had three months before you knew all men would disappear, could women enter those workforces and they still couldn't actually.
	Well, I think they could.
	There's a physiological difference.
	No, but the scenario is if all men just instantly disappeared, okay.
	Critical infrastructure, if all men disappeared, would fail within hours.
	The telecom network, loss of power would be because there's nobody maintaining it.
	I guess I don't care about technology enough to care if the power goes out.
	Even though you're only 20% of any population, that's true.
	It would be catastrophic.
	Since you guys like hypothetical questions so much, would you prefer that all women or all men disappear if you had the choice?
	If we had the choice, well, obviously we'd want all women to disappear if that was our choice.
	What about you, Brian?
	Because otherwise it would be self-termination, right?
	So you're saying there's in this scenario, I'd have to choose.
	Yes.
	Well, just to preface this, I wouldn't want women to disappear.
	So you would choose man.
	No, no, no, no.
	Just so sorry.
	Like, I wouldn't want women to disappear.
	I wouldn't want men to disappear.
	But if I, if this, this crazy hypothetical, if I had to choose, I would prefer for men.
	What about you?
	I don't like to speak in hypotheticals.
	That's all they've been doing lately.
	That was the whole conversation.
	But if that's the hypothetical, as a hypothetical, like you have to choose.
	Here, let's okay, let's move on from that, I guess.
	Women still have, can the women still have kids and have men?
	No.
	Well, here's the thing: even if you killed every man, society would go on because technically, somewhere out there, there's some lady, a few ladies who are pregnant with boys, girls, whatever.
	So even right now, if we killed every adult and child man in nine months, somebody would have a baby.
	And what about the hermaphrodites?
	Are we counting them as women or men?
	Because I could read every woman.
	Like society would be done.
	We are getting into the weeds here.
	Let's get to Myra's tweets here.
	Woman is hot, men.
	Is this for my attention?
	Okay.
	What does this mean, by the way?
	How old is this?
	I don't know.
	Don't scroll down there.
	I'll need the shit popping out.
	Okay, whatever.
	Next.
	Why is it natural to assume that a sexual intercourse comes to an end once a man comes?
	Actually, you read it.
	Go ahead.
	The socially accepted misbalance towards satisfying men's needs over women's is disturbing.
	Should I comment on that?
	Or is it self-displending?
	I mean.
	So what I would answer to that with is that as a woman, if you climax, you can, granted, some women can get overstimulated, but as a woman, if you climax, you can continue engaging in sexual intercourse.
	Whereas men, once we climax, I mean, there's some outliers, I suppose, but once you climax, you're done.
	You're in the refractory period.
	You cannot continue.
	Now, are you saying that the issue is that they should make sure, if they cannot continue afterwards, that a woman comes first.
	I agree.
	That she sexes.
	And a lot of men.
	Men do not do that.
	And unfortunately.
	Maybe you should stop having so many one-night stands and get a partner, and then he'd be more concerned.
	Are you talking about me?
	Yeah, I'm talking about that.
	I only had one.
	Only had one what out of the one nightstand, remember?
	And she only did it.
	Well, out of the 100 stand.
	It wasn't even a one-night stand.
	It was established that you're 33 years old.
	So that, I mean, I'm assuming that there's been, besides the past two months, you've also dated and engaged in.
	Yeah, but one nightstand was only once.
	You've only had one one nightstand.
	And I realized I didn't like it.
	Fair enough.
	So was that the only time that a man did not care about your sexual pleasure?
	I think it's not just me, but yes, I had some bad experiences as well.
	I think generally speaking, men are used to perceiving a woman as just somebody to satisfy his needs.
	Erroneous.
	Yeah, and like erroneous.
	Erroneous.
	I will tell you.
	Orgasm does not matter for majority.
	No, false.
	Something that doesn't even exist.
	Erroneous.
	Wait, what?
	What's that?
	Some men even think that doesn't exist.
	And then women fake it a lot.
	And then there's just this whole system of just miscommunication.
	I'll tell you this.
	I'll tell you this.
	In my own experience, I want my girl to come before me.
	And I will put in, I'll give it the old college try.
	I'll give it a good faith effort.
	I want her to come before me.
	If possible, some women are multi-orgasmic multiple times.
	Even I want her to come during sex.
	And then after a couple orgasms, then I'll finally, okay, I guess I can come.
	That's my view.
	I'm a giver.
	Not when it comes to kind of lingus, but I'm a giver.
	Wait, what?
	Oh, my God.
	I don't do that.
	I'm sorry.
	Do you get it?
	Do you receive?
	What the fuck?
	Golden showers?
	Not good.
	And do you receive, though?
	Yes.
	I will receive.
	I do that.
	So the girl does it to you and doesn't reach out to you.
	So you just finger?
	Okay, DJ Callan.
	No, Hands, hands, the peen, and shit, I'll throw in the toy.
	Fuck it.
	Okay.
	I'm fine with that.
	I'll give you the toy.
	At least you get to know.
	Some guys are like, oh, it makes my job easier.
	What do you mean?
	It makes my job easier.
	Why?
	If I can get her off with just my hands.
	Okay, but what's the reason?
	You just can't get her.
	She just grosses you out.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Thank you for recognizing my boundaries.
	It's not my thing, you know?
	Just not my thing.
	Have you decided in this?
	The last time I went down on a girl was the Bush administration.
	Like, literally or something?
	No.
	No, literally, 2008.
	2008.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	I know this is haram.
	Coochies have changed since then.
	You got to try it again.
	Yeah, they've become.
	They added more flavor.
	That's kind of.
	They have more styles.
	Yeah, from other men, they've added more flavor.
	M's three bricks, plaza don't skip.
	But women would literally not survive without men in upcoming World War III.
	Women, if we were on the 100th date and I asked, what is your view on the Middle East?
	What is your answer?
	Well, I just found out I'm recently Middle Eastern, so that was fun.
	So I don't know.
	I'm learning about it.
	Part of the Middle East?
	Saudi Arabia.
	You're Saudi Arabian?
	Yes, I just white Saudi Arabia.
	Isn't that crazy?
	And Egyptian from Africa.
	Oh, did you take like 23andMe or something?
	Why are you white?
	Okay.
	So Myra, Mira, sorry, going back to your thing.
	I do think there's some truth to what you're saying.
	A lot of men probably are selfish in that regard.
	I will say, though, that the female orgasm response is much more varied than the male orgasm response.
	And it's also typically a little bit, well, there are some women who are insanely orgasmic to the point where within 10 seconds they'll come.
	They can have multiples, they can squirt, and they can like, boom, after the other, right?
	But there are also women who it's like, bro, you can be trying for like 10, 20 minutes.
	There are women who can't even make themselves come or have extreme difficulty.
	So speaking in your case, are you able to make yourself climax?
	Let me answer the other two points that you made.
	First of all, I don't think it's even so much of selfishness when it comes to men.
	I think exactly.
	They're not educated enough, and there's this taboo.
	A lot of couples don't even talk about sex.
	They talk about sex.
	You'll be surprised.
	Like, they feel ashamed or like men have this pressure to perform or make a woman come.
	So at times women just pretend.
	Grid One Motorsports donated $200.
	Brian just doesn't do that.
	He doesn't want to die from a bad clam.
	Miramen not dating for relationships are far less concerned with a woman's needs.
	So maybe change your dating strategy.
	Actually, it was the men that I was dating that the sex was so bad with.
	And then afterwards, when I started not so much looking for a relationship, but really valuing how the person treats me first and most important, like seeing how much they're attracted to me because that's when they try to put the effort in.
	As opposed to when you're in a relationship, a lot of men just take it for granted.
	You were in an eight-year relationship.
	Did your eight-year relationship have difficulty in that department?
	It was terrible.
	And you stayed with them for it?
	Unfortunately, because the way I was raised, like it was very conservative.
	I thought I have to work for it.
	I have to suffer.
	But still stick to the man.
	Do you think communication is important in a relationship?
	Very much.
	So why did you not communicate that you had a desire multiple times?
	He actually had an addiction to porn, weed, and alcohol.
	So he would choose to stay up late at night, indulging all of this instead of having sex with me.
	And me as like still a teenager back then.
	I was like 16, 17.
	I did a big number of my self-esteem.
	And the reason why I'm focusing on myself now more so as opposed to giving to other men.
	Well, I mean, maybe one of the big factors there was that you started having sex when you're 16, 17.
	So a woman has to get push out a baby and get married by 24, but can't start having sex.
	Whatever time you want to get down is okay, but you guys are giving women a what is that, like a four-year window to find out how to have sex, find out what they like, find a husband, and get to know their own body.
	Biologically, that's the clock that you're saying.
	You said she's having sex too early at 16.
	17, but also earlier you said that our biological clock starts ticking and it's almost over at 17.
	Yeah, both are true at the same time.
	Isn't that crazy?
	I'm just, it's not crazy.
	Both are true.
	Both are true at the same time.
	Let's not get it.
	Let's troubleshoot.
	We don't have much time.
	We've got to hurry up, girl.
	Let's trouble.
	Adding to your point.
	Oh, yeah.
	We got to hurry up.
	See, there's so much pressure for society.
	Let's troubleshoot this.
	Okay.
	Well, it's not from society.
	It's from biology.
	It's not pressure from society.
	And that is changing too.
	Because we're aging way slower now.
	Our life expectancy is way lower than everybody.
	Your fertility years is the same.
	You're talking about the orgasm gap.
	Are you talking about the orgasm gap?
	Like the orgasm gap?
	Men have more come more than women.
	Yes.
	There's different.
	Yo, Bone Man, thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	What I would say to you is that one, I think the responsibility here falls on both men and women.
	I think men are not mind readers, so you gotta have conversations about it.
	Now, I think as men, we need, like me personally, like if I'm getting intimate with a new woman, I'm gonna, you know, I'll try some things out, but I might say, well, would you like more pressure, less pressure, left, right, up, down?
	You know, I'm trying to suss it out.
	Fast, slow.
	But do you know a majority of men aren't like that, right?
	Well, I don't know why they aren't, honestly, because like it's I think it's hot when my girl comes.
	Like, especially during sex, if she's coming during sex and you feel the contractions and shit, that's makes the sex better for me.
	That's even if I'm totally selfish, I think the sex is better if the girl's coming.
	But I obviously want to give my partner pleasure too.
	But even if I was totally selfish, I think sex is better if the girls, she gets wetter if she comes.
	So, I mean, I don't know.
	We're just telling you with our collective experience that you're a unicorn.
	Oh.
	It's not as common as.
	Also, it is harder.
	Granted, there are women who come really easily, but there are some women.
	There's some women.
	Yeah, it's harder to make it.
	Do you ever get upset that there's other men that make you look bad?
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Where's this coming from?
	Like, all those men are not like make you look bad.
	Like, not you specifically into an extent, but like, for example, like all the white men in my life that are treating me bad.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right?
	And so then, like, naturally, you want to like, do you feel any kind of like those one guys, like, fucked it up for the rest of them?
	Like, so you're saying all the men that aren't giving all these women orgasms, like it's giving, it's, it's looking bad.
	I think it's actually good for me because I'm trying to make.
	But are you understanding why the women are acting or like thinking the way they are?
	Because you're like, wow, if I'm like the unicorn, like, I want you, wouldn't you tell your other male friends, like, step it up?
	Don't mean a bonus.
	Don't be afraid to give a toy.
	There's a couple things here.
	Like, so, okay, there's some women, like, I've encountered a woman who she's not, she wasn't even able to make herself come.
	Okay.
	So I was like, well, okay, if you can't even make yourself come, then it might, I mean, I can, I'm going to try, but if, you know, maybe you, so there are some women who have a lot of difficulty climaxing, or some women just can't.
	That's true.
	But if, you know, if you can make yourself come, then I think a guy can make you come.
	So, yeah, I don't know.
	I also think there's a lot of repressed sexuality in women if we look at like, again, historically, women were sort of used by men for their pleasure and to produce offspring.
	So a lot of women don't even, they haven't even felt comfortable to explore the bodies.
	Erroneous.
	Yeah, well, that's just more standpoint theory again.
	I've been looking at history through a uniquely, through a unique female perspective.
	And that's not the case.
	It's not the case that they, it's like, for instance, Eastern cultures.
	Have you ever seen all of the massive quantity of sex books in Eastern cultures?
	No, I have not.
	Okay, well, they have a huge catalog of them going way back for several thousand years.
	Have you seen those prehistoric dildos?
	I'm more so prehistoric.
	I can't speak for everyone.
	I know that there's some conservative families.
	And like I said, I do come from one of those as well.
	So for me, it's been a journey.
	Especially coming to America and seeing how sexually liberated American women are.
	Where are you from?
	Where are you from?
	Why don't you tell us where you're from?
	I wouldn't think European women.
	Are you from Russia?
	Sexual?
	Kazakhstan?
	I think she's from Kazakhstan.
	Andrew Wilson, I think she's from Kazakhstan.
	Sure, let's go to Kazakhstan.
	So for me, seeing that, that was liberal.
	First, it was a little scary.
	But then it was liberating because I saw that women just choose for themselves.
	They can stay, you know, far still keeping it celibate, you know, that she's waiting, or they can indulge in whatever functionality.
	It's beautiful.
	It's beautiful.
	It's the freedom of choice.
	It's decadence.
	I understand your point.
	Okay.
	Next.
	I think I understand you now.
	Next.
	Tweet.
	Twitch is reinforcing the misogynistic system.
	Oh, you read it.
	Sorry, my bad.
	Go ahead.
	Twitch is reinforcing misogynistic system discriminating women bodies.
	If men are allowed to have nipples poked through a shirt, then women should be too.
	If I choose to wear socially appropriate clothing without underwear for comfort, Twitch staff shouldn't ban my channel for it.
	Period.
	I'm actually a feminist on the free the nipple movement.
	I am a feminist.
	I'm for it.
	If women want to be walking around topless.
	Would you date a girl that's tits her tits through like you can see them through her shirt?
	Titties?
	if I could see would I date a girl Would you date a girl who would wear a white tank top with no bra underneath around your family?
	I don't really have a strong position on bras.
	I don't care.
	If she wants to wear bras, cool.
	If she doesn't, cool.
	I don't really care.
	I don't care if she's topless around other men.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that's a little different here.
	So you're not free the nipple.
	Right.
	I'm.
	Well, hold on.
	Like at the beach, could she be topless?
	Yeah, like a nuke company.
	I support the free the nipple movement.
	I support free the nipple.
	What about you?
	You might disagree with me, but actually, do you?
	No, I don't think that.
	I think it's indecency both ways.
	If men do not.
	So I tend to think that men shouldn't walk around with their shirts off.
	What about them?
	I tend to think that women shouldn't walk around with their shirts.
	What at the beach?
	Like a guy with swim trunks.
	Is the beach okay?
	Well, I think in that particular instance, it's all right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So what about nipples poking through the shirt?
	Should men wear bras as well to cover their nipples, just like women?
	It depends if she has moobs.
	Or pasties, yeah.
	First of all, if you're looking at the distinction in chest, right?
	So women have much larger breasts, so their nipples tend to protrude.
	However, there are men, right?
	Men, I've seen it.
	Big fat men who also have their nipples protruded.
	And yes, those fuckers should wear a different shirt for sure.
	Rather than have their nipples protrude.
	I should try to lose it.
	Okay, so you think girls should fit their nipple to let it out.
	Here, let's see.
	Or is it just overweight men with large nipples?
	I think that we should have uniform decency laws.
	They're not inherently sexual.
	I don't think that.
	So what's indecent about nipples?
	Here, let's not linger too long.
	Well, what's indecent about walking around completely naked?
	Next one, what's really indecent about it?
	Yeah, I would agree.
	There's nothing.
	It's just social.
	But do you think that people then, would you support just people walking around completely naked all day?
	Yes, it will take a while though to transition there because obviously.
	What about having sex in public?
	What's indecent about that?
	Ooh, that's hot.
	Your body being.
	It's also social, and I would agree that that is something we can come to with time.
	Yeah, what's indecent about it?
	I don't think it's indecent.
	It's not indecent to have sex in public.
	What about sex in public in front of minors?
	Having sex is crazy.
	Having sex is sexual.
	Hang on, I just want that question.
	Is that indecent?
	I would not have sex in public in front of minors.
	Yeah, but is it indecent?
	I guess so if I said I will not do that.
	Okay, so what makes it indecent, but not just sex in public?
	Because there's a certain vibe that should not be.
	It's a vibe.
	It's too sexual.
	No, because I believe that children should not be exposed to sex.
	That's one of the things.
	I didn't say a child.
	I said a minor.
	You said you were having sex in seven.
	Isn't that a child?
	No.
	Doesn't have to be.
	Whoa, look at that.
	Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Stiffler.
	Here, we're going to go around the table on that, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Whose looks are we rating?
	Your own looks.
	Oh, my looks.
	Yeah.
	Out of 10.
	Yeah, your own looks.
	I'll give myself a 10.
	Um.
	In the fat girl community, I would give myself a 10 out of 10.
	In society, I'd give myself a seven and a half out of 10 to be realistic.
	I'd give myself a 10 as well.
	Yeah, I would give myself a 10.
	I think everyone should give themselves a 10.
	I mean, I feel like my confidence is like a 10, but societal standards, maybe like a 7 or 8?
	I would say 8, too.
	I'm a 20.
	Yes.
	Yeah, we'll go with that.
	Since we're all going to lie, I'll just be a 20.
	I will answer honestly and say I used to be a six, but honestly, I'm a five right now because I've said this.
	I've gained some weight recently.
	I've got a little bit of a dad bod going on.
	I need to lose some weight, guys.
	Dad bods are hot.
	They're in.
	In my personal worldview, I think being shredded with a six-pack would be way better.
	So I'm a five because my face has gotten a little chubbier, gotten a little chubbier in the belly.
	I am a five.
	I'm working on it, though.
	I'm going to lose some weight and I will get back to my previous, maybe even I could go beyond a six.
	I could get to a seven, 6.9, maybe.
	Who knows?
	If I get a six-pack, I think I would be a solid seven with a six if I got a six-pack.
	And like a little, a little more muscular definition.
	I mean, I think you're being a little mean to yourself.
	No, I'm being, I'm being.
	I think some of you are being a little nice to yourself.
	What do you really rate yourself, though?
	Like, not.
	I'm not anything special.
	Maybe a six.
	Maybe a six.
	Maybe.
	Maybe 20 years ago.
	You guys have lack of confidence.
	No, no, it's not a lack of confidence.
	And confidence could make the ratings.
	It's just realism.
	It's just being realistic.
	The confident thing is to acknowledge, yeah, I'm a six and I'm okay with that.
	I'm a five right now, though.
	I'm a five.
	I'm a five right now, huh?
	I don't know.
	If someone came up to me, a guy or a girl and was like, I'm just so ugly.
	I don't think I'm that attractive.
	I'd be afraid of that.
	Well, that's delusional.
	That's not confident.
	That's a difference.
	It's just being delusional.
	You're just asking a person to assess themselves honestly.
	But like someone could look at you and be like, that's a 10.
	Yeah, you don't think that's very serious.
	So you think it sounds so beautiful.
	Let me just ask you about this criticism here.
	I feel like I know where this one's going.
	If the other girls who are there are assessing themselves at a 10 societally, how in the world could you possibly be assessing yourself at a 7?
	I said 7 and a half.
	how um i mean other than being fat like you mean the big thing Like the literal elephant in the room, right?
	That's it.
	I mean, but, like, I date, like, people, I mean.
	She's pulled some hot.
	I am.
	I'm dating celebrities, billionaires, millionaires.
	I think you're trying to be billionaire.
	Like all the memes, all the memes aside.
	Meme available.
	Literally.
	But what I'm saying is this.
	And a lot of guys don't want to admit that they like fat girls because of guys like you where you would turn around and look at your friend and be like, oh, I can't believe you like that whale.
	And then he feels really unconfident and then goes to my page.
	When he fans and spends $800 to collect my content.
	So, you know, it's a lot of like, maybe if you made your men counterparts more friendly, you would realize what a broad taste of women men actually have.
	Most of the dudes who are running around with fat chicks are ugly dudes.
	Most of them.
	Not some of them.
	Most of them.
	That is actually.
	Let's not linger on the whole thing for too long.
	I can't.
	That's not my experience.
	As also someone who's currently in, I've been in Vogue.
	You can go see my face in Nordstrom's, Ulta Beauty, Morphe Brushes.
	Yeah, but that's because of culture.
	I am like a...
	That's a political push, to politicize a message nobody wants.
	But how...
	Wait, is being fat as a porn category also political or men only jacking off to overweight girls because it's woke?
	They're men.
	Right.
	Oh, mentally ill, yeah.
	So, in that category, where does it fall overarchingly in the porn categories?
	Like one through 20, let's say.
	Where would it be?
	Would it be underneath all of the hot chicks?
	Where would it be?
	BBW.
	Is it more popular than the hot chicks or less popular than the hot chicks?
	And they're still popular with the hot friends.
	Right, but what is more popular?
	It's actually so repulsive.
	But if it was, you're treating it like it's repulsive and people are running the other way.
	But if there's people who have a fetish girl, not some people, but it's not a fetish, but just like a fat girl doesn't mean you have a fetish.
	Most of my exes had never dated a fat girl before me.
	If you're cutting up, if you're cutting up pornography in this way and you're saying all the people who are watching pornography, there's this subset which like to watch fat girl pornography.
	That doesn't mean anything.
	But also some people.
	That just means that you have to have people like you saying, like, oh, it's only ugly guys who are running around fat chicks.
	But I think porn is a catalog of everyone's guilty pleasures and their actual desires when they're not socially inhibited.
	It could just be a kid.
	That's a popular.
	Could just be some kind of weird kid.
	Is it related to attraction?
	Not always.
	Or maybe people don't go for the things they have a king.
	It's not that hard to believe that some people are attracted to other people.
	I'm not saying that there's not some who aren't.
	I'm just saying that normally what I see in societies, when you have an ugly person or with an ugly person, when you have a beautiful person or with a beautiful person, I usually don't see it the opposite.
	You're saying automatically anyone who is fat now is ugly.
	I'm almost done.
	I'm saying that most of the time I see really fat women, they're with really fat dudes.
	Most of the time.
	Wait, I have a question for you related to that.
	See, most guys that hit on me are gym bros that are fit as fuck.
	That's like number one.
	The fittest, like, you should see the amount of like, what are they called?
	Like the pumper people, the bodybuilders that are in my DMs.
	Penis pumpers.
	Insane.
	What?
	Maybe things are hard out.
	Penis pumpers.
	Maybe they're hard in your DMs.
	They love the difference.
	They love it.
	Or it's skinny, white video gamers because they love tall.
	They're like long dicks.
	I don't believe that they're ugly.
	Wait, hold up.
	Like, literally, my top men that always hit on me are always not only are they thin, but they are fucking shredded.
	I've been dating NFL players, rappers, fucking.
	I'm not even going to name drops on those celebrities, but their boyfriends are in my DMs.
	Like, I think it's.
	She's seen it.
	Like, it's literally, you'd be surprised.
	And it all comes down to a lot of men like you who talk like this and then they just go along with, oh, yeah, fat chicks are ugly, man.
	But then, like I said, they run back over to me, spend all their money, want to see everything.
	It's something that they've loved forever, but they don't feel confident enough because their friends aren't supportive of it.
	Even if it's different.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	So it's men.
	You can say it's not my taste, but you have already equaled all fat women to being hot.
	Do you think the problem is that men like me are creating a social stigma against other men having a lot of people?
	Yes, that was the beginning of the conversation.
	You think what gay guys have?
	You don't think that it's because they're fat chicks and they're not just not attracted to them?
	No, you're unattracted to them and you're making your friends feel shame and guilt for what they're attracting.
	I'm not going to feel shame and guilt.
	Yes, you do.
	When you talk like that, do you think when you talk like that that that's positive reinforcement?
	I'm not going to, I don't need to positively reinforce a thing that's not.
	You are tearing down your friends.
	It's something that everyone knows.
	How do you know?
	You have no fucking confidence, Andrew.
	I don't know if my friends aren't the same way.
	Where they're like all how would you know if you're constantly being an asshole and have never provided the safe place for them to open up and be like, maybe I like black chicks, maybe I like fat girls.
	Like, and if you don't know if you don't like black girls, are all black girls ugly now?
	Wait, you think that men who rib each other incessantly, talk smack to each other incessantly, don't know?
	Like, they don't let you know the types of different weird shit that they're into.
	They do it all the time.
	Yes, you don't think there's causes who don't tell their friends down.
	No, seriously, L, married and DL.
	To make this ridiculous statement that the reason that societally men just don't go, the good quality, very handsome men, don't go for the big fat chicks because guys like you create stigma.
	That's nuts.
	What about 70?
	That's not true at all.
	Extra weight was considered to be attractive, and I would be considered ugly because extra weight.
	I want to add.
	Have you seen the statues?
	You'd be surprised.
	In some cultures, that's still out.
	It's not ridiculous.
	I was, there's ridiculous.
	Okay, let's put it this way.
	Say I was an ugly fat girl, which I'm not, and I'm confident in that.
	Would they still put me in Nordstrom's?
	Because that's my face.
	That's a political adjustment.
	That's my face.
	You can't see my fucking body.
	I'm fucking gorgeous.
	It's political.
	I'm gorgeous.
	They're trying to push a political message.
	Push a political message of what you can't see my body.
	I have literally been handpicked by my fucking waist-up and told I'm one of the most beautiful models in the world.
	I get flown from New York to LA to Canada to everywhere and fucking between.
	And you think it's because I'm ugly?
	No, I think it's because there's a political tool.
	You're a political tool.
	It doesn't matter, but like, okay, so out of all the fat people, like, you don't think there's one pretty one?
	You don't, like, they're not putting ugly fat people up on there.
	One sec, one second.
	It's literally delusional to pretend that fat girls are conventionally attractive.
	I didn't say they were conventionally attractive.
	The fat tad campaigns are being replaced with athletic, attractive models.
	Wait, wait, one thing.
	One thing.
	Athletic wear in the plus size community.
	The views expressed on the whatever podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast or the host.
	Oh, thank you, Monaster Kama.
	Thank you.
	Rates herself as a 10, date celebs.
	Do these celebs love you?
	Interesting, you need backup.
	Blank means nothing.
	Chads running through you means nothing.
	F is how many Chads marry you?
	Andrew W?
	Okay.
	You all are aggressive and mad.
	Yeah, guys, keep it polite, please.
	Guys, guys, keep it polite.
	Okay, keep it polite.
	Keep it polite.
	You know, backup, dick.
	Who said anything about backup, dick?
	Backup, dude.
	Oh, is that what that says?
	Backup, dick.
	That's what that said, right?
	I don't, I, to be honest, I didn't understand what that said.
	How did we get to this?
	I don't know.
	We were on tweets.
	There are more tweets.
	Is there another tweet?
	There's another tweet.
	We have Mira here.
	If you need to take a little breather there, Andrew, feel free to take a men say their S-drive is high until they meet a woman who likes to have sex.
	So are you saying, what are you saying there?
	Myra?
	Mira?
	Which one?
	How'd you say it?
	How'd you say it?
	I think it's Mira.
	It's Mira?
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead.
	BBW is top 10 category consistently.
	Come on.
	Come on, Andrew.
	Come on, baby.
	Why he walk away?
	Go ahead.
	Yep.
	Mira.
	I think she's got a little more to say.
	No, Don't yield yourself.
	No, you go.
	I just want to make sure they get the comment because you're supposed to read that out loud or whatever.
	I don't object to your tweet, by the way.
	How often do you need...
	Maybe we go around the table on this.
	I think everyone should answer.
	If you're in a loving, monogamous relationship, if that's what you want, how frequently would you ideally like to be, you know?
	I like that more.
	I like that better.
	Just, you know, just going at it.
	Let's start with her.
	She's Miriam.
	Really get the.
	I want to hear her.
	I don't know.
	I'm just doing the.
	Maybe like two to four times a day.
	How often, Mira?
	Two to four times a day every day?
	Yeah, like twice in the morning, twice at night.
	What defines twice?
	Yeah, like that's what I'm saying.
	Twice.
	Any man watching F-Girls doing it purely, wait, Hold on.
	It's purely based on childhood trauma.
	If an attractive man is dating, one he is recovering from recent rejection or dealing with psychological issues always.
	I guarantee you.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Thank you for your thank you.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	How often would you like to ideally have sex?
	Man or woman come in.
	Wait, what?
	So I was thinking more so, like, to be honest, like, man coming, but like I could come once or twice a day.
	Okay, but you still prioritize pleasure?
	I'm submissive in bed, so I kind of like, if someone says it, like, I'm like, I'll try it twice.
	Okay, but what if you don't come at all?
	That's disappointing.
	It depends.
	Is it like if it's a guy I've been dating forever, like, okay, I can like miss a couple times here and there.
	But if like we're just dating and you're trying to impress me, like, yeah, you need to like make me come.
	Okay, that's where you will communicate, actually.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That makes sense.
	I think I have to agree with her.
	It depends.
	Agree with what?
	Oh, she said two to four.
	Well, two to four times a day.
	Every day.
	It doesn't have to be every day.
	I think for me specifically, it just depends on the mood, but it's quite frequent.
	Saints underscore easy donated $200.
	Who do you think would win in a fight between girl one and girl two?
	Maybe later on in the show.
	But to be frank, I actually take birth control not to control birth, but to turn down my sex drive.
	Wow.
	Turn it down.
	Wow.
	Because it makes you very high.
	It makes me quite aggressive because my testosterone and male hormones are high again based on how I live my life.
	And because I don't have a man around that I am attracted to enough to have sex, I want to be able to just focus on work.
	Before we continue on with this question, I want to, I didn't really address the whole 10 thing.
	So I think you said 10, 10 with caveats.
	10, 10.
	Modest Hikima donated $200.
	Hi, Brixon.
	I am a BBW, appropriating big black women from blacks and really am interested in how attracted to me you are.
	I am tilde 200 pounds, a total raging sea and I'm better than everyone.
	Date, Mira is one.
	Okay.
	What?
	Thank you, modest Jacama.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, really quick on the 10 thing.
	I'm not going to rate you guys, but nobody here is a 10.
	Sorry.
	I'm glad you're not going to.
	I don't care.
	I mean, I don't really care, but like, I'm curious who you're interested in at 10.
	Well, I can prove this.
	I can actually prove this to all of you.
	Oh, God.
	Right this second.
	And here's the thing.
	Here's the thing.
	I'll put $100 on the table that I can prove this to every one of you.
	I brought makeup wipes, go in there and wipe it off and come back and sit down.
	I had a feeling when I was sitting at the bottom.
	I'm trying.
	I will do that.
	This was going to pop up.
	Those right now.
	I'll do that first.
	Go.
	Do we have a makeup?
	Can I have it, please?
	Oh, well, the.
	Can I have that please?
	Come on.
	Not yet.
	Not yet.
	Please.
	No, we're not going to.
	Because if you don't think I'm a 10 with the makeup on, what's the point of me taking it off, though?
	I have a question for you, though.
	Oh, going around the table.
	Has anybody here had any cosmetic procedures?
	So lip filler, Botox, plastic surgery, rhinoplasty, BBL, implants, fake tits, lipo, anything.
	So I had deviated septum as a kid.
	So that's me.
	Yeah, those suck.
	Yeah, I couldn't breathe very well.
	I have that currently.
	So that got fixed.
	Besides for that, I do a little bit of filler every once in a while, like once a year.
	You can see like I'm plump.
	Okay.
	What else?
	That's it.
	That's not it.
	What else do you think?
	Why didn't you just tell me then?
	You have fake breasts.
	How do you know?
	I saw your Instagram.
	And you can tell just by looking at my Instagram?
	Yeah.
	I've got fake titty radar.
	Okay.
	Am I wrong?
	Anything?
	Yes.
	Anything wrong?
	Uh-huh.
	Anything else?
	No, am I?
	Well, do you have anything else?
	Do you have a BBL?
	What's a BBL?
	Brazilian butt lift, I believe.
	So a fake butt too?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Did you get that from my Instagram too?
	No, I don't know.
	I'm asking if you have one.
	I'm fairly confident you have fake breasts, though.
	Okay.
	Am I wrong?
	Yes.
	You don't have fake breasts?
	No.
	Wait, can we pull up her?
	I don't know if her IG is totally kosher.
	I don't think.
	I think you have fake breasts.
	I'm just throwing it out there.
	Are you actually going to lie, though, about...
	Why would I lie about that?
	What am I gaining from that?
	We've had women on the show who've lied about that before, and then it's quite apparent that they have fake breasts.
	Okay.
	But why?
	I mean, it's not really something you can lie about, you know?
	Okay.
	Would that be easy if I said that I do?
	Well, I obviously don't want you to lie, but.
	But you're already telling her she's a liar, regardless.
	I already said no, but you keep asking again and again.
	What do you think?
	Definitely the wrong guy to ask that question.
	Yeah, if you don't know.
	I mean I'm what I'm pretty I'm looking at some of these photos as somebody who is, you know, I think you got fake breasts.
	I'm pretty confident.
	Okay.
	I'll take that as a compliment.
	Chat, you guys want to hear.
	Let's ask the chat.
	Chat.
	Let's go to her.
	Go to her chat.
	Go to her Instagram.
	One in the chat if you think she has fake fake breasts.
	Or two in the chat if you think they're natural.
	This is getting creepy, bro.
	How's it creepy?
	They asked them, they said that.
	Okay, one person, whatever.
	Did some dude in the chats like, prove it?
	They said jumping.
	I think they look fake to me.
	What defines?
	What defines it fake?
	What defines implants?
	Do you have implants?
	No, how can you tell?
	Like, that's what I mean.
	Can you answer the question, though?
	Just fess up.
	I already answered the question.
	Just fess up.
	You have implants.
	I don't know what else to tell.
	You already said no several times.
	So I'm curious, what makes it look fake?
	Like what quality is about them?
	It's like this sort of uncanny valley thing because if you know what like natural breasts look like and you compare them to fake breasts, there is like...
	So what is that?
	It's...
	It's hard for me to precisely articulate it, but you know when you see it.
	I suppose the best thing I could articulate is obviously, you know, there's various factors, but I mean, the tautness of the skin typically.
	Toughness.
	Tautness.
	That can be a thing.
	There's also body proportion.
	Proportionality.
	You can look at people, right?
	And our brains operate as kind of pattern recognition machines.
	So if we walk around and you see enough people, you start to recognize that women have different proportions.
	Are you saying my breasts are going to make the accusation?
	Right to left, Myra.
	10, please, love my pathetic blank.
	2-0, that a joke, 3.
	Probably beat me into sub.
	Eight, four, five, five, Kiki.
	Hot AF, six, one world, whole show, seven, five, Andrew, 15, Brickson, 20.
	Okay, that was confusing.
	Not that they gave you a 15.
	That's what we're saying.
	A lot of you guys are a little DL.
	You don't even know it.
	They want to suck your dick.
	They love you.
	Oh my God.
	Okay.
	I think my ass actually is larger than my breasts, but people also assume that I have a fake ass.
	Wait, can you just fess up, though?
	Like, come on, you have...
	I'm looking at your fucking Instagram.
	Like, you have...
	I don't know how many times I have to say this to you, Brian.
	Would you feel happy if I said I had fake boobs?
	I'm going to do that for you.
	Only if it's true.
	I already told you it's not true, but you keep making me say that.
	Would you feel satisfied if you were right about that?
	Because it seems like there's something not clicking in your head.
	I can say that.
	I could be wrong.
	Sometimes the radar is off.
	I'm.
	I, you know, they look fake.
	Okay.
	They look fake to me.
	My question is, though, if you're were you at 10 before you got all the cosmetic surgery?
	You mean the lip filler?
	Huh?
	You mean the lip filler?
	Sure.
	And the other procedures that you refuse to admit to having.
	So you're still implying that I'm lying.
	About the fake breasts, yes.
	I think you're lying about the fake breasts.
	Well, that kind of hurts my feelings that you don't trust me, Brian.
	Allow your feelings to be hurt then.
	Okay.
	Can we move on?
	This is a sad thing.
	I'm checking with my dog babysitter or something.
	I don't know why you would lie.
	Like, if you have it, just say you have it, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Can you ask me one more time?
	No, I'm just.
	Just tell him, please.
	Yes, Brian, I have fake boobs.
	But are you lying now?
	I'm going to kill myself.
	How big is your dick, Brian?
	Inches.
	Good question.
	Heart from the back of the bottom.
	I feel like Brian Loki has a big cup.
	He might be schlanging somehow.
	Like, I don't know.
	He might be schlanging.
	Because, like, we get this whole asshole persona, but he's really making his girl come.
	So you know, he has like a sensitive side and like he's kind of tall.
	So it's like I don't know.
	I'm thinking like some some big dig.
	I don't think height matters, I feel like it's in the hands true true, how many inches?
	Put your hands on the table, don't be scared.
	I got dainty women hand, woman hands.
	So yeah, I guess I'm perking for pleasure.
	I got a mic.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Actually I'm deck.
	My dexterity is second to none.
	What the fuck?
	Okay uh okay, I just, I don't know I have so many more notes but frankly it's late.
	I don't know if we have time to.
	He didn't answer.
	Huh yeah, I know it's late, but I feel we got so many more notes.
	I'm trying to think if there's oh, body count okay, why is that always me?
	I feel like you have a thing for me Brian, I do stop to.
	Will you marry me?
	I thought this was for Jen.
	Will you marry me on your knees?
	No, I refuse, I was hot.
	Body count, what's everybody's body count?
	What if we don't know our body count?
	Not like it's like that.
	We wouldn't be surprised.
	So you're saying a lot of guys fucker.
	No, I just said I wouldn't be surprised if you, if you guys, didn't know your body counts, you want to give us a range.
	While you were out, someone was talking about how top 10 category was beginning.
	Okay, let's not go back.
	There was what was big, beautiful women who was in top 10, one of your own, what's?
	Bbwa women, fat girl that's the category.
	So society's gotten sick.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what to say.
	sick enough to procreate with you let me okay let me ask let me ask a let me ask a uh first question uh do you object to men caring about a woman's body count Sorry, I thought you were asking me about breasts again.
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	Oh, no, they can care about whatever they want.
	Oh, me?
	Oh, do I?
	I mean...
	Do you think it's insecure?
	Do you think it shouldn't matter?
	I think it only matters if he has a really high body count, too, and is like, how can you have a really high body count?
	Double standard.
	Okay.
	But I mean, if you have a low body count, you want someone else that has a low body count, like, why not?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Yeah, if he's ran through, I think it's stupid.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I agree.
	If they're ran through, I don't think it should be their business.
	But whatever you're, even if you are ran through and you don't want a girl that's not ran through, I guess.
	But it's kind of silly.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I think everyone's entitled to their own preferences when it comes to that.
	Okay.
	I think it should matter, but obviously on both sides.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, just to counter what you guys are saying.
	Oh, she's leaving.
	Okay, this was kind of, okay.
	All right.
	Later.
	I don't think, what are you doing?
	You coming to give me a back massage?
	What are you doing?
	Actually, I have...
	Oh, she's getting the makeup wipes.
	Okay.
	This girl's so extra.
	Okay.
	Do you know what you wanted?
	Is he the real me?
	Okay, sure.
	Here, I guess we'll do it.
	Wait, but do it on the table, I guess.
	Well, I totally forgot.
	Oh, you're doing it in the bathroom?
	Just do it here at the table.
	I know what you're going to say, because you said it before, is that women desire traits in men all the time that they themselves do not have.
	So why is it wrong for men to desire a low body count?
	No, but I don't think it's wrong.
	Like if a guy, say he has a high body count, I don't think it's hypocritical necessarily for him to desire a woman with a low body count.
	What might be hypocritical is if he were to say that a woman with a high body count can't desire a man with a low body count.
	That might be hypocritical, but I don't think it's a man who has a high body count.
	It's fine for him to want a woman with a low body count if that's what he values.
	That's your preference, but I would be, oh, sorry.
	Well, I mean, and like you said, I've said it before.
	In order for you to desire something in someone, need you possess that trait or characteristic?
	And I don't think so.
	In the same way that a woman who's poor might want to date a rich man, she certainly might be attracted to a rich man.
	So in order for a woman to date a rich man, must she too be rich?
	I would say no.
	In order for a woman to want to date a tall man, must she also be tall or be the same height?
	No, of course not.
	In order for a woman to want to date a guy who's funny, need she be funny?
	No.
	Of course not.
	So I think it's perfectly acceptable to desire traits and characteristics in a partner that you yourself do not necessarily possess.
	Sure, and we already talked about this.
	And like I said, I think the value of a low body count, like I said, it's better for paired bonding and that works best when it's on both ends.
	So yes, you can be a short woman and desire a tall man, but I think desiring a low body count in a woman while having a high one is more akin to a guy saying, I want my woman to be exclusive to me while I'm going to be polyamorous.
	That's how I view it.
	So that's why I think it's more hypocrisy.
	Not necessarily, because I think you can still be monogamous even if you've had a high body count.
	Perhaps you've realized, hey, this is not.
	No, I was just saying it's an analogy of why I think it's hypocritical.
	I think you're expecting your partner to be a bit more psychologically bonded to you because the whole point is when you've had less partners, you're going to be more chemically and emotionally attached to the person you're having sex with.
	So if you want a woman with a low body count, I think there's a bit more.
	That's not equally true between the sexes.
	It's not exact, but I think generally, yeah.
	Yeah, but it's not even close to equally true.
	It is.
	The best pair bonding is between two virgins.
	Yeah, the best maybe, but that doesn't mean that men with a high body count, like let's say a man has slept with 100 women and a woman slept with 100 men, the ability of the man to pair bond is going to be greatly less decreased than the woman's.
	Why?
	What is this idea that like you guys do?
	I feel like there's this overall idea that men don't get like emotionally connected to sex.
	I feel like there's this idea that we don't have, like we exchange energy and men are just like, men just deplete women after sex.
	Like what?
	Why wouldn't it be equalized?
	I can tell you why.
	Is it the chemical release?
	Is that what you're going to go into?
	Nope, we're not even going to get into chemical release.
	Let's just kind of explain why this is ingrained in human beings.
	Because women, who are the gatekeepers of sex, they also are the ones who have the children, right?
	So if men are looking for a woman to have their children, they want to make sure that it's theirs.
	And we weren't always able to test for whether or not the paternity of your child was your own.
	So historically, if a woman was not promiscuous and they pair bonded with you, you could be almost assured of the fertility and that the child she's going to have is yours.
	So that's a way for them to gauge whether or not the child the woman's having is actually your child.
	So can you explain to me how that relates to if a man has a hundred bodies versus a woman having 100 bodies, how the man can pair bond better than the woman?
	Because the whole point is it's a way for you to not raise, it's like a biological way that's ingrained in men so that they're not raising children which are not theirs due to being promiscuous, is it?
	No, no, no.
	I'm asking because you're not answering.
	I'm actually answering your question.
	I'm saying the reason there's a distinction between the two is because a man can judge better or could judge better before you're able to test, do paternity tests as to whether or not the offspring the woman was having is actually your offspring.
	The best test for that is the lack of promiscuity in a woman.
	That does not apply to a man.
	Why would it apply to a man?
	No woman's ever going to be testing a man for the paternity of the child.
	Have you ever seen Maury show?
	Girls be confused about their baby dad.
	Yeah, I get it, but you're not.
	You're not ever going to be confused as to whether or not the man is having your child.
	That's the point.
	Because men can't have children.
	Right.
	So it would always be for us to test whether or not the baby is our baby.
	So the more that a woman is promiscuous, that's why the biological drive was ingrained in us to I don't know.
	I don't even know how else to explain that.
	If men and women.
	I'm not understanding what you're saying.
	I'm not really getting what the fuck that has to do with.
	I just, if you have a bunch of bodies like man or woman, like you're gonna, you might be before you could do, and this is a recent invention, before you could do a paternity test, before you could figure out through DNA analysis whether or not the baby the woman's having is actually yours, what would be the key things you would look at to make sure that she was actually having your baby and not somebody else's baby and then telling you it was yours.
	A calendar?
	Well, that would be a good metric.
	Like, I'm not going to lie, that's a good metric one.
	But also, she could be sleeping with a person right around the same time.
	And babies can come early.
	They can come months early.
	Judge it off of the pheno.
	But you can also judge it based off the promiscuity.
	So the more promiscuous a woman is, the less likely a man would be attracted to her because the less likely he's trusting that the paternity of the children that she would bear are going to be his.
	Guys do, I'm not going to lie, y'all be wiping up some ran-through girls.
	I see that.
	Somebody has like three baby moms at one time.
	Yeah, I just said that.
	None of that contends with what I'm saying.
	Okay, there is like this thing where I feel like, again, whatever you consider whores, whatever, but like people, there's this whole idea that like you have too much sex or you fuck with too many guys.
	No one's going to want you.
	You're going to be ran through.
	And it's not, especially in today's society, it's just not as true.
	Like I've seen so many, and it applies to girls more than it applies to men because like you're saying, a man, for whatever biological reasons, he can have sex with more people and still be able to pair bond.
	So I think this applies to women, but oh my God, I forgot what I was saying.
	Okay, cool.
	I'm going to move on because I need to wrap up here very, very soon.
	So I have a chat here from Puffy Vegas.
	I will rate the girl's ponytail to left yellow shirt 7.55, 77, 6.55.
	P.S. I'm a nine.
	He's nine inches now.
	Oh, nine inches, excuse me.
	Puffy Vegas is packing, just saying.
	Okay.
	How would you know?
	He admitted it in that TTS.
	That's a little DL.
	That's a little DL.
	Yep.
	There you go.
	I love the gays.
	I was just about to say I love the gays.
	Okay.
	Let's see, we have, oh, so you four do OF.
	I'm just curious, what kind of content you guys make?
	Is it solo content, BG content?
	Like, what kind?
	You have to go to mirrorsdues.com to see.
	Why don't you just.
	I give you so much, Brian.
	I took all of my makeup off.
	You were pouting.
	You sat there pouting.
	I'm not getting enough attention.
	Let me just go walk around and do jumping jacks.
	Oh my God, this girl.
	Oh, let me just hold that framed picture.
	Ziz, Riff.
	Sorry, I was not trying to sell you.
	I wasn't trying to sell you.
	Oh, my God.
	Cover your secrets.
	Oh, my God.
	All of a sudden, there's some big bad dig there.
	My bad.
	I don't think that would happen.
	Damn, bro.
	Fucking shit.
	My bad.
	I was getting very animated.
	I don't go to any podcast.
	This was my first one, and I think I shared so much.
	And I hope you guys enjoyed that.
	And it's time for me to go to bed now.
	It's time for me to go on the bed.
	Okay, Brian.
	So what do you do?
	What do you do though?
	Like, is it solo content on BG?
	I'm just here.
	Hold my hand.
	I'm okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	So I do mostly solo content, but it's not even my like highest rated.
	The way I make the most money is basically like doing weigh-ins.
	Guys will jack off to me weighing myself on a scale.
	So I'll be like fully clothed.
	Most of the stuff I do is fully clothed my biggest sellers.
	And then eating, of course, like eat a breakfast, they want to see it.
	Eat my dinner, they want to see it.
	I don't know.
	They like to see me with my belly out.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	That's the highest seller.
	Hold on, just stay.
	We're going to wrap.
	Just stay.
	Just stay.
	Modest Hikima donated $200.
	This black chick has no idea and will act like she's not.
	I'm not offended.
	I called her black.
	We're almost done.
	I'm not sure by the fact you use the term shamu gross.
	Sorry.
	Chat roast.
	Modest Jamaica.
	I mean, it's clear you missed the beginning where this bitch was like celibate half of her life.
	I literally, it's okay if you think I'm ran through.
	I don't know what ran through is.
	Maybe I maybe you sit.
	Go ahead.
	By definition, you do think I'm run through?
	Yeah.
	And I'm actually very black.
	I'm not offended that you told me that.
	Yeah.
	I actually never knew that.
	Please take your seat.
	My back hurts.
	Okay, if you need to stretch for two minutes, but just take your seat before we wrap, okay?
	And then topless stuff and then just like topless stuff with other girls.
	Okay, we're just going to skip because I need this to be moved along.
	Aura.
	Is that the name you're looking for?
	No, just, I mean, I try to want to come.
	No, I mean, I'm just going to move on because you guys aren't answering the question.
	Yeah, I thought you were looking for a new question.
	That's why.
	Yeah, you need to clarify.
	Okay, I was just.
	Are you still asking this question?
	Are you searching for the question?
	Are you moving on to the next question?
	No, but it's like, I don't need to.
	It's confusing one.
	The next, the next, like, once, if somebody answers the question, you can just move on to the next person.
	You had an intermission of talking to Mira.
	You should clarify.
	I do solo content.
	Okay, thank you.
	Yeah, I mean, I.
	Oh, you do of too.
	So, okay.
	Right?
	You do of?
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't.
	Into the mics, guys.
	Into the mic.
	I don't do anything with anyone else, I guess.
	I don't really do sexual stuff on my own list.
	Solo and like ass content, I would say, for you.
	Bathing suits.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	And then.
	Oh, I just kind of do like bikini and lingerie stuff.
	Have you done any BG content?
	No.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You said you have a twin sister.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't know.
	We really have to wrap.
	I wish we had more time.
	Switch.
	Well, fuck it.
	I feel bad because I didn't really get to.
	I could come back another time with her.
	Yeah.
	It says she was supposed to be this time, but she canceled.
	Okay.
	I just feel bad because I had a whole bunch of notes that I want to address to you, but just the conversation, we weren't able to get to it.
	So if you're down to come back, I'd love to have you so we can actually get to you.
	I think there was one thing I could maybe quickly address.
	You said that, so you have a twin sister.
	Yes.
	Both of you do OF.
	Yes.
	Censored content.
	You make six figures a year.
	Yes.
	And you used the OF money to pay for your Catholic grandmother's funeral.
	Oh, yes.
	I wasn't sure about the morals of it.
	I mean, maybe you have some.
	She just out of frame in both of these?
	Okay.
	Well, all right.
	Well, it's not immoral to use money to pay for your grandma's funeral, but it's definitely immortal.
	I used my only fancy money to pay for the house.
	I was like, I'm going to use a funeral.
	Those are expensive.
	In a Catholic church, I paid $25,000 to get my mom buried.
	Yeah, well, there's $35,000.
	There's other ways to come up with $25,000.
	Fast, legally.
	It would be good if we can get you and your twin sister.
	I apologize that we didn't really get to address some of my notes here for you, but just unfortunately, we've run out of time.
	So I'm sorry about that, that we didn't really get to reel you in too much to the conversation.
	But if you come back, we'd be more than happy to get that going.
	Let me just check here, see if we have any.
	Hold up, hold up one sec.
	Okay, well.
	Oh, wait.
	Did something come in from Modest Hakama and it didn't trigger?
	Actually, she's not fans of that color.
	Girls on this.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, okay.
	All right.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm losing my brain here.
	Okay.
	Is there anything we're forgetting?
	Anything we're forgetting?
	Any quick final thoughts from anybody before we wrap up?
	Live, laugh, love.
	Just, yeah, love.
	We should all be listening to each other.
	Even here, I'm not here to argue with you guys.
	I've taken some of your points.
	You had some valid inflated points.
	So, you know, I learned a few things.
	Wait, Nick, you got to be looking out for these mics moving, man, because I can't be focused.
	So you got here.
	Scoot your mic that way a little bit when you're speaking.
	Okay, you had some invalid, deflated points.
	Don't play with me.
	You know, I was making, y'all know I'd be making points.
	Come on.
	I enjoyed your point.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for coming.
	Thank you.
	Love all these lovely ladies.
	Even if we agree to disagree.
	Oh, I think.
	Okay, here's the last thing.
	You wanted to talk about Sugar Baby Convo.
	Oh, me?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I've got a Sugar Baby.
	Yeah.
	Do you currently have a Sugar Daddy?
	No.
	I stopped at like 22, so like six years ago after my mom died.
	Wait, hold on.
	Oh, somebody must have banged into the camera.
	That's why she's out of frame.
	How did you not notice that, Nick?
	She banged into the camera.
	Recently?
	I didn't see it.
	Yeah, but Nick, I can't be multitasking.
	Like, come on, you got it.
	I'm doing so too.
	I know, but like.
	Do you want to move it?
	No, it's whatever.
	Just leave it.
	A little bit like this.
	No, that's too much.
	That's good.
	More, more, more.
	More.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	You said you had a sugar daddy.
	Remember, I've had a.
	I'm just curious, how much you had a couple?
	Yeah.
	How much of the same thing?
	How much were you making?
	Every arrangement's different.
	So, like, one guy, we'd like do like a pay per meet, or we'd do like a monthly thing, and he'd give me the first half at the beginning of the month, whatever.
	So it's probably depending, like, for four hours, just to go on a date with me was $700.
	And to spend time with me afterwards, it's like $2,500 on top of the $700.
	So usually per visit or per month, like we were talking anywhere from like $700 to $5,000.
	But also, like, my mom was dying and I was trying to take care of three households.
	And were you sleeping with these men?
	Only two of them.
	And they were each separately, separate times.
	And one I was with, we had been together for a year, and I had been dating him for four months before anything got physical.
	So we were like, and he still paid me in that time.
	So it was like a real connection.
	And then the other guy, we slept together once, but the sex was really bad and wasn't worth the money.
	Okay.
	That's crazy.
	I mean, just like.
	Because even with a sugar daddy, I want a connection.
	Like, I wasn't just going to, like, sleep with anyone or do like, you know, like, it really feels like, I know it was a mutually beneficial arrangement, but it genuinely like had connections with these people, met their families, vacations.
	Like.
	I even dropped one of my sugar daddies for Yamani when he came out as a racist.
	Yeah.
	Wouldn't you guys get along, though, because you're kind of racist?
	Against white people?
	Yeah, she's black.
	He was racist against black people.
	No, but if you object so strongly to racism, why is it that you're racist against white people?
	I mean, I just don't think you can be racist against white people.
	That's reverse or something.
	That's kind of racist.
	Potato patata.
	It's kind of racist to say that you can't be racist against white people.
	we have that whole chat about how i'm reforming and like trying to like but the words that literally just came out of your mouth uh november 28th 2023 at 11 30 p.m is you can't be racist to white people That is a racist statement.
	Wait, what was the statement that you can't be racist?
	You can't be racist against white people.
	That in and of itself is a racist statement.
	That's a racist statement.
	Yamani, do you feel like people were like, I hate black people?
	Do you think your mom or grandma would be like, you're racist, Yamani?
	Absolutely not.
	I don't know.
	No, but you said it's not just.
	That doesn't even make sense.
	That would be like saying, okay, you believe, though, that if a black person said X about white people, that still wouldn't be racist.
	So then why even make the analogy of asking her, do you think that your mom would be mad?
	Well, because we're talking about my own race.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's actually a better analogy.
	But who cares even if we are talking about your own race?
	Because you don't believe anybody can be racist to him anyway.
	So like, it's an I'm I don't even understand the point of that.
	And Loki ate that up.
	Yeah, I'm confused too.
	Like what?
	He's making his own point.
	You're proving.
	I'm like agreeing with this.
	Like I don't think we're beefing here, sister.
	38 donated $200.
	Mira, come yawn in my bed for fixed hash dollar and we can take my jet anywhere you want.
	Bro, get the fuck off the show.
	Leave.
	Just get up.
	Good night.
	Leave.
	Get up.
	Leave.
	She's been one of the most disruptive guests we've ever had.
	She cannot stay still.
	She's been obtuse the entire time.
	Like, if you're going to come and snore, I've given her so many passes.
	Like.
	That was my ride.
	Oops.
	Okay, I mean, look, it's just rude that she's, granted we've gone late, but she's been rude this entire time.
	I've gave it.
	I've given her so many passes.
	She's getting up.
	She's being disruptive.
	So, whatever.
	Okay, I'm just going to end the show.
	Thank you guys for coming.
	Those of you who made it.
	She could have just put on a...
	Just let...
	Okay, whatever.
	Let's hear it for Big Dick Brian.
	you go.
	I got the, thank you for the, I'm going to put that on my resume.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the endorsement.
	Much appreciated.
	I will say this, though.
	I like that you kicked her off like two minutes ago.
	No, I'm not.
	The show is perfect.
	No, it's not.
	I mean, I don't think I've had anybody that like.
	Have we had somebody that?
	I don't know.
	She was up and about moving around, like just being disruptive, generally disruptive.
	So she probably has ADHD.
	I have ADHD, and I sit here for whatever.
	I think it's just she's not getting, she wasn't getting enough attention, so whatever.
	Okay, guys, thank you for tuning in.
	Thank you.
	Go to Twitch, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Just shout out to everybody.
	Thank you guys for all the primes.
	I got to wrap up the show.
	What's up, Nick?
	Nah, let's just, I'm going to wrap.
	Holly.
	Okay, guys, last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
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	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	This was quite a unique and interesting show.
	You guys were wonderful aside from the blaring, glaringly egregious racism and sexism.
	Otherwise, you guys were great.
	Any women who want to be on the show, DM out whatever.
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