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2 PRØSTITUTES RAGE QUIT?! Beefing Candace Owens?! Body Count OVER 9,000?! | Dating Talk #119

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	So without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hey, Brian.
	I am Olivia Bentley.
	I am 46.
	I am a professional intimacy provider, and I am also a porn star.
	When you say professional intimacy provider, what does that mean?
	So I provide intimacy, whether that is the emotional, the physical, the spiritual.
	Okay.
	So and you're a courtesan.
	Courtesan.
	Yes.
	Is it courtesan or courtesan?
	Courtesan.
	Courtesan.
	Corteson shot.
	No, no, courtesan.
	Okay, got it.
	AN.
	I see.
	Okay, got it.
	All right.
	And you were on before.
	Then you went on Candice Owens' show.
	And there was a New York Post article, which we referenced in our previous show, but we'll pull that up a little later because that's certainly an interesting article.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Lauren Roses.
	I am 31.
	I am a courtesan at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch.
	And I'm also a musician.
	And I do PR for musicians as well.
	Do you guys all work at the same spot or different?
	Different.
	So you're at the Moonlight.
	Moonlight.
	Olivia, where do you?
	I'm independent.
	Oh, you don't work at a Bordello.
	Is that the term?
	Bordello, yeah.
	I've been at the bunny.
	And I love her.
	We got a bunny together.
	Yeah.
	Close, yeah.
	Okay.
	So at one point previously, you had been working at one of the ranches.
	I've worked at all of them.
	You've worked at all of them.
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name is Annie Lobert, and I am the CEO of Hookers for Jesus Pink Chair, and I have two safe houses for women that have been formerly abused by the industry, the adult entertainment industry.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Oh, age.
	Oh, I'm.
	Do I really have to say my age, Brian?
	Come on.
	What can people guess?
	What decade just blow us away?
	Just know that I love the 80s so much and I miss them.
	My husband's in a famous 80s rock band called Striper.
	Striper.
	Striper.
	Christian, like Glam Rock.
	Is it Glam Rock?
	Heavy metal?
	Heavy metal glam.
	Yeah.
	All right, nice.
	And they wore makeup and tight, whatever.
	And I'm 56.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, wow.
	Yay.
	Don't be a shit.
	I thought you were in your 40s.
	Okay, there you go.
	Oh, thank you.
	That means a lot.
	What about you?
	My name's Mercedes Otano.
	I'm an ex-stripper and sex worker.
	Okay.
	Turned spirit-led, pleasure-based life coach and sensual healer.
	Age?
	Oh, 33.
	33.
	What about you?
	My name is Alice Little.
	I am a legal sex worker, sex educator, and intimacy expert, and I'm 33 years old.
	Okay, got it.
	All right, Madison, what about you?
	My name is Madison.
	I'm 18 years old.
	I'm a full-time student.
	mic's not not working you guys didn't do uh we didn't do an audio testing Nick, you know what to do.
	Just.
	Okay, go ahead.
	My name is Mason Gregoire.
	I am a.
	I got crap for saying this last time, but I'll say it again.
	I am foremost a follower of Christ, mechanical engineer, content creator, competitive powerlifter, whatever else.
	Rock and roll.
	Welcome back.
	Hello?
	Speak more.
	Hi, my name is Madison.
	Can you guys hear her, guys?
	One in the chat if you guys can hear her.
	One more time.
	Hello, my name's Madison.
	One in the chat if you guys can hear her now.
	We might just have to switch nine for her.
	No, we're not doing that.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Age.
	Did you say age?
	Oh, no, 27.
	27.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Madison's mic is scuffed.
	Just typical shit.
	Here, can you try unplugging and plugging it back in?
	Hello?
	Okay.
	That's okay.
	That's okay.
	What?
	here tap tap on the mic is it one in the chat guys if it's No, you're not getting it.
	Okay, here.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	We're going to go around the table.
	Let me think how I want to tackle this because I need because we're going to get relationship status from everybody.
	So what's everybody's current relationship status?
	Are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's your longest relationship?
	Or actually, you know what?
	Before we do that, keep that in mind.
	Can you tell us a little bit about your experience with the Candace Owens show?
	Sure.
	So it was basically a gotcha interview.
	I called up the producer and spoke with him and said, can we have an Oxford-style debate regarding the legalization and decriminalization of sex work?
	And they said, sure, we can.
	We'll fly you out.
	They flew me out very promptly.
	They were very nice to me, but Candace would not come out and talk to me prior to the interview.
	And once I sat down, they started write in, She started writing and asking me about my son.
	And that wasn't a part of the plan.
	So, do you want me to keep talking?
	Okay, I wasn't sure.
	So, at any rate, she started in and asked me, Hey, you have a son?
	And I said, Yeah, I do.
	And then she said, Well, he doesn't live with you, right?
	He lives in another state.
	So, and she was looking down at notes.
	So, I think what had happened is she had had her team do a background check on the wrong person.
	And rather than doing the Oxford-style debate, which I had a lot of notes on, and that's what I was prepared to do, she made it a personal attack, in my opinion.
	Because if she would have said, Hey, we want to bring you on, and I'm going to try to annihilate you as a mother, and I'm going to talk about your son, and we're going to get into some personal dynamics of your family and your personal life.
	I wouldn't have agreed to go on.
	So, that was very fascinating.
	So, I held my own.
	I did my best.
	There was all the things that I wanted to debate about, you know, we really didn't really touch on all of those things.
	So, I kind of was more like fending myself off from personal attacks, in my opinion.
	But I did get, you know, we got some pretty interesting, intense debate going on there.
	I thought it was a good conversation.
	I thought you guys had a good conversation.
	Okay, thank you.
	Yeah, it wasn't thank you.
	I mean, I went with it, and I had to go with the flow and try to be gracious to the hostess, but at the same time, it wasn't what we agreed to do at all.
	Okay, you know, so you're saying she blindsided you?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay, yeah.
	So, I did some kind of reaction videos afterwards, and some people thought that they were kind of honored, but it's tried and true how I feel.
	Okay, got it.
	Well, I think we got the mics working right.
	Madison, can you maybe say something?
	One's in the chat if you can hear.
	Madison, Icarus, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
	So, we'll go to the relationship status.
	So, what's everybody's current relationship status?
	Again, sorry, you single talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polykill, sex, cult, harem.
	How long have you been single if you're single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	So, I'm single.
	I was married for seven years, and I dated for about six months this last year with a gentleman.
	Okay, so single, and you said you were dating somebody for six months pretty recently.
	Yes, but that is that over?
	Yeah, we were going to try to make it work where I would move in, and we just decided it probably isn't for the best, just with the way opportunities are going, and my life is going.
	Okay, great person.
	And what was your longest relationship?
	Seven years, my marriage.
	My former marriage, yeah.
	Okay, when did you guys split up?
	Oh, that was that was a long time ago when my son was two.
	He's 21 now.
	Okay, got it.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	I've tried to maintain, I've preferred to be single in the industry.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And so you just have the one son, or you have any other kids?
	I have one son.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Sambia, I've been single three years, and I'm single now.
	And yeah, being in the industry, it's kind of tough with the dating situation.
	So I think single for the best, yeah.
	Okay.
	And if I recall from previous shows, have you ever had like a long-term partner or no?
	A couple, like probably maybe like a year and a half.
	Okay, okay.
	I had one like situationship that lasted five years.
	And that was when I was like 19.
	So gotcha.
	So your longest relationship though, would you consider it the five-year situationship?
	More like the two, like the two one.
	Two year.
	Okay, how long have you been single?
	Sorry, I missed that part.
	Three years.
	Three years.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	I am married 14 years as of June 5th this year.
	Oh, congrats.
	And thank you.
	And prior to that, I had some lengthy relationships.
	Okay.
	Two five-year and a one, I think it was almost seven years.
	Two were former pimps, believe it or not.
	The third one was my trick that I wanted to marry, and then I married the guy that is my husband, Oz, Ozbox.
	For the viewers watching who don't know what a trick is, what is a trick?
	And maybe the other thing.
	Oh, I apologize.
	A trick is a customer, a client, a mark, a John, someone that pays for sex.
	I find it disrespectful.
	They're people.
	They're humans.
	They're my friends.
	That's why I said client too.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I heard Marks is sometimes.
	Is that the same?
	Well, the art term from the 80s and 90s.
	Marks.
	That's just what we would use.
	He's a mark.
	Yeah, he's an easy.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	That's who we used to use that term.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And you were, so you were at one point, was it either dating or wanting to get married to one of the tricks?
	It was really weird.
	I was coming to him because I was getting really mad at, because I was single.
	Okay.
	And I had left my second pimp, and he helped me actually do that.
	And my brother, my brave brother, Chuck, brought a shotgun.
	It was an amazing, should have been a movie, honestly, to the house and said, she's coming home with me tonight.
	And I got to leave him, thank God.
	But the man that I was friends with that knew about my lifestyle, that totally accepted it, he was a sweetheart of a guy, still is.
	He's like, let me take you out of this business.
	So on May 18th, 1998 is the day I quit the escort services.
	In 98.
	Yeah.
	For the first time.
	So proud.
	Okay.
	Yeah, thank you.
	For the first time?
	Yeah.
	Oh, did you have a relapse?
	I kind of had a relapse in like 2000, the beginning of 2003.
	2003.
	And then I overdosed on August 2nd, 2003.
	Oh, indeed.
	Okay.
	So then August 2nd, on cocaine.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Sorry to hear that.
	And then, so did you end in 2003 or how long did you continue working?
	That was the last time I worked because I worked that full year on a strip.
	Gotcha.
	And were you?
	As an independent.
	Independent.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	And so, but you've been married for 14 years.
	Yes.
	Husband's a, is he what?
	Is he a singer?
	Is he the sings background, but he is the lead guitarist.
	Lead guitarist.
	That's right.
	Gotcha.
	He's been playing since he was six.
	He's from Whittier, California.
	Okay.
	Really amazing person.
	Met me, this is part of my story, as he read my MySpace.
	Read your MySpace.
	And so, I like this girl.
	And my MySpace said, ex, can I say the word with the P or not?
	Prostitute?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Ex-prostitute Annie Lobert.
	Okay.
	And he clicked on it and he was like, who would do that?
	And he was totally into it and loved my story and was like, you know, I just want to let you know that I think you're a real cool person and I'd like to see if I could talk to you.
	So he sent you a private message, a DM, I guess before it was even called DMs, on MySpace.
	He did.
	And MySpace, I had a blog that I did that hit number one several times in the entire world.
	Oh, wow.
	One said, Jesus loves prostitutes.
	And a lot of people disagree with me.
	And I'm like, that's not true.
	He does.
	So Oz saw the actual MySpace because he went to dinner with Kevin Max.
	And that's from a band called DC Talk.
	And Striper was recording their album in Las Vegas.
	So they went to Durham.
	And my best friend, Heather Veach, she went to dinner with them.
	And then he went to her MySpace to become her friend.
	He saw me and her top friends, clicked on my picture, and everything was done after that.
	Actually, she called me that night and said, I just met your husband.
	I said, what?
	She's like, I just met your future husband, Annie.
	This is the guy.
	And I'm like, get real, girl.
	You don't know.
	But she was right.
	She was like, this is the guy for you.
	So he got vetted like that night.
	It's like kind of amazing when your best friend can vet somebody that they know is good for you.
	It's something you can trust.
	You said that, so he saw your profile on MySpace that you had written that former, was it escort?
	What did you have written on your prostitute?
	Ex-prostitute, Annie Lobetta.
	You know what?
	Actually, it said ex-hooker.
	Ex-Hooker.
	I misquoted myself.
	Ex-Hooker.
	Okay.
	How long had you been out of the industry?
	When I first met Oz, it was in 2007.
	So yeah, four years, five years almost.
	Did you have a Friendster too?
	That's a Friendster.
	Friendster's like the even before MySpace.
	No.
	MySpace was my first experiment.
	I will never forget writing in that space the first time.
	But so, so your husband, he told you that he saw that on your MySpace.
	And is that he you, I think you already said it, but what did he say?
	He said, that's when I knew that she was the one.
	Is that early?
	Like he was just intrigued.
	He was very intrigued by me.
	He loved the way I look, first of all.
	Like, duh, you're going to attract somebody.
	Did you have the same hairstyle back then or was it a little bit more?
	No, it was black and blonde.
	So it was black on the bottom and it was a little shorter and blonde on top.
	2000, wait, was this in 2004, 2005?
	2000, when he saw MySpace, it was 2007.
	Oh, 2007.
	When he saw my picture, yes.
	Okay.
	That was like peak emo.
	Yeah.
	He had his hairstyle music.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know what?
	I'm going to tell you guys, that time was such a magical time in my life because social media had just become this cool thing, right?
	Facebook was like, oh, we don't do Facebook.
	Nothing was invented yet.
	It was MySpace was like the thing.
	And I had such a blast writing blogs.
	I was just, it was like my little space to kind of vent.
	And yeah, it was just really powerful and it was really neat because when Oz read my story, which I was really honestly upset at the time at my two ex-pimps, but I only told on one of them.
	And I just, I admitted what I had done and, you know, the drugs towards the end.
	I was sober the first 10 years of my lifestyle when I was working in the adult entertainment industry.
	And actually, in the beginning, I enjoyed it.
	And I was a stripper as well.
	So I enjoyed entertaining men.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, so one question about the band, Striper.
	Striper, yeah.
	Has it always been a Christian rock glam rock band?
	They didn't start as Striper.
	They were called Rock's Regime in the very beginning.
	And my husband kind of subbed and came in.
	They asked him to come and play.
	And then they were playing, and these kids would line up at the Brother Sweet's house while they played in their garage.
	Sure.
	They would line across the blocks and just, these kids would just come see and play.
	And one of their friends said, Hey, why don't you guys do something different?
	Gosh, I don't want to mess this story up.
	I try to remember how it went, but they said, Hey, guys, wouldn't it be cool if you dedicated your lives to Jesus and your music?
	Yeah.
	And they were like, I love that.
	Okay, let's do it.
	And they did it.
	They were already filling the clubs on Hollywood Boulevard, but this took them to a new level.
	They got so much attention.
	All of a sudden, they got a record deal.
	All of a sudden, they're on MTV.
	Most requested video of the day.
	I mean, it was crazy.
	It was like a whirlwind for them.
	And your organization, it's called It's Hookers for Jesus.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Actually, we should, maybe a little later, Nick, if you can pull up that Instagram account because there's some interesting posts on there.
	So, Hookers for Jesus.
	Does anybody challenge you on that?
	Like, how does it all the time?
	Like, how is that possible?
	You know, because I was thinking, like, atheists for Jesus.
	You know, I understand.
	That's actually a thing, by the way.
	There are atheists.
	And I totally respect that.
	Anything, anyone who wants to call themselves whatever.
	The name really was a joke, actually, at first, but not in a mean way.
	I was actually really mad at the vice cops because every time I got arrested 25 times in Las Vegas.
	25 times.
	25 times for escorting.
	How about the other girls here?
	Solicitation.
	I've been around.
	Yeah.
	You guys been around?
	Not for that, though.
	Arrested my clients.
	Was it murder?
	No.
	It was fighting.
	Oh, fighting.
	Come on, girl.
	Okay.
	I got hands.
	Oh, okay.
	I was picked up.
	Good job, Madison.
	But the name, I was driving away from church because I obviously, when I overdosed, I have this church background.
	I used to be a Lutheran as a little girl, and I remember my Golden Dark Cross.
	And so I kind of like gave my life towards like, I have to get my life straightened out because right now it is not going very well.
	And I was really mad, like I said, at the vice cops because they had always, whenever they arrested me or my friends, they would be like, look at you, hoes.
	Look at you, hookers.
	You know, you guys are just whores.
	I mean, who would marry someone like you?
	You better get your life.
	I mean, just this lecture that right now they're actually changing in Las Vegas.
	I'm really proud of that, by the way, because I'm on the Las Vegas Task Force for Human Trafficking.
	And I was driving away from that church and I heard this little voice in my head.
	And I was like, what am I going to call myself?
	Because I was passing out my card that said, call me if you need help.
	My name's Annie, Annie Lobert.
	And I was thinking about the story of Jesus.
	This is so crazy.
	This is actually what was I just talking about?
	Matthew 4:19 says, I will teach you how to fish for people.
	And he said, I heard this voice in my head, you're my little hooker for Jesus because you love Jesus.
	And I'm going to teach you how to help the women that are being abused.
	So that's how the name came around.
	There is a verse scooted.
	Scooted it, scooted it, scooted.
	It literally means fishing for people that are drowning in the dark waters of sex trafficking.
	Wow.
	There was a verse I came across today and it said, Satan is the accuser of the brethren.
	Yes.
	And I was like, Let's continue on with the relationship status.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Seven years, longest relationship.
	Actually, I've current relationship.
	Current relationship.
	So seven years, but I've technically been in a relationship for 13 years.
	Okay, so currently you've been.
	Wait.
	I know.
	It's confusing.
	So seven years currently.
	So you're in a relationship.
	Yes, I'm in a relationship currently.
	Seven years current, but your longest relationship's 13.
	No, I've just been in a relationship for 13 years.
	Wait.
	I know.
	It's very confusing.
	Were you seeing multiple guys?
	When I met my daughter's father, I was in an open relationship, but it's a very, very close relationship.
	We're still friends.
	He's like the godfather of my daughter and everything.
	Are you dating multiple people currently or just?
	No, just the one.
	We're seven years old.
	And that's seven years.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, I see.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	I have been single for the entirety of my career within the Nevada brothels.
	But prior to that, I was in a two-year-long relationship coming out of high school.
	Okay, two-year relationship, dominant.
	And how long have you been in the industry?
	Oh, gosh, since 2015 now.
	And you've been single that entire time.
	Yes.
	But when you say single, like you haven't had a long-term relationship, but have there been men you've maybe dated on the short term, like for a couple months or something, that you wouldn't consider a boyfriend, but you did date them for a short period of time?
	Nothing.
	Zilch.
	Nope.
	Zilch.
	Okay, got it.
	Madison, what about you?
	I'm currently taken.
	I'm in a beautiful relationship with my boyfriend Frankie, and this relationship is my longest relationship.
	It's been about a little over a year.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Yeah, single.
	I've been single for a while, but I'm picky, and I'm not really desperate for anything to happen.
	And it'll happen in the Lord's timing, and I trust him with that.
	Longest relationship?
	Yeah, longest relationship was a year.
	One year.
	Gotcha.
	Wait, just, I don't know if we talked about this last time.
	Are you waiting?
	Because you're a Christian man.
	Are you waiting until marriage?
	Yeah, I am waiting for marriage.
	Waiting for marriage.
	Okay.
	Have you been intimate with a woman?
	No, no.
	Never.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Gotcha.
	Even with your one-year relationship, you guys didn't.
	No, yeah.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	So interesting.
	Yeah, so he's waiting until marriage.
	I love that for you.
	I love it too.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I had a question.
	Go ahead, go ahead, go for it.
	Are you picky about, for instance, is it more their personality or is it their past and personality?
	Or if it's just like, hey, this person's a great person.
	I really like them.
	That's a loaded question.
	I mean, that's a good question.
	Yeah, I mean, of course, there are things I look for in a woman.
	First and foremost, she has to be a believer.
	If she's not a believer, off the table, no question.
	After that, I have to be attracted to him.
	So generally, that means like I want someone who takes care of themselves, so like wants to look good.
	So usually going to the gym.
	Actually, one of my favorite Bible verses of all time is it's in Proverbs 31, talking about the godly woman, and it says that she strengthens her arms.
	So girls out there, get in the gym.
	But yeah, so I've got to be attracted to her.
	Let's see.
	So personality-wise, I want a girl who has, I was actually just talking about this with one of my buddies.
	She has goals in mind.
	She doesn't just have these goals.
	Like, I want her to desire to be a mother, to be a good wife, to be like learning new things, new skills that will help her multiply our house once it's established.
	I want her to have those goals, but I also want her to be chasing those goals currently in her singleness.
	I think it's crazy for women to think that I can chase all of these other things that are counterproductive to being a wife, mother, whatever.
	The things I want eventually, I'm going to do all these things that are counterproductive to it, and then all of a sudden switch and be like, when I get married, I'm just going to like, it'll just be a flip.
	It'll flip a switch and it turn on and yeah, it's fine after that.
	That's kind of like that's a major red flag for me.
	I want her to be currently working towards being a wife, mother, godly woman.
	I have a question for you.
	Would you date a woman who is or was involved in sex work?
	Good question.
	That's a good question.
	Who's reformed?
	Can I add to that?
	Sure.
	Who's reformed and has given her some, well, I don't want to say reformed.
	I know it, Gene, I know.
	Who has surrendered herself to Christ?
	Yes.
	that's a good question um i oh hold on yeah Yeah.
	Brixon from experience, getting maced in the face is less painful than the show thus far.
	So far, the most interesting part of this show is Guy Fawkes Mass Ways.
	Does she bow?
	What?
	What?
	So she actually doesn't speak English.
	I've hired her to be my massage therapist because, as you guys know, I've been very stressed doing these shows.
	So I figured, I'll take a little load off if I have a massage therapist, you know, doing a little massage.
	So she's paid.
	She doesn't speak any English, though.
	So, yeah.
	But maybe the bow will do.
	I'll ask about the bow.
	I'll see if I can get a bow later.
	Thank you, Gridwan Monjour Sports.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, Grid, I'm sorry that this show has been painfully boring for you.
	I apologize sincerely.
	We'll get there.
	We'll get there.
	Don't worry.
	Literally five minutes in.
	Yeah, five minutes in.
	This is not enough.
	Anyway, answering that question.
	Yeah, so short version of that answer is yes, I would.
	Now, I got to give a long version because that's kind of wild.
	But I think, I mean, so the caveat has to be she has repented.
	So that's the pattern of salvation.
	I mean, Christ puts it forward and says, you must repent and believe.
	It's not just believe.
	It's repent and believe.
	So you must turn away from your sin and believe in me.
	And that repentance is extremely important.
	Because if you don't realize that you're sinful and that there are sins that you've committed, then the belief is shallow.
	Because even the Bible says even the demons believe and they fear me.
	So it's the repentance that's essential.
	So in this instance, it's okay.
	Has she repented of her sin?
	Does she feel like, do I see in her life there is a pattern of repentance of, I know I sinned before, and that is no longer who I am.
	Can I expand on that?
	Go for it.
	So I say I've sinned before.
	What if she's what if she doesn't look at her past as a sin, but more of a stepping stone to God?
	So, okay, this is a good point.
	Because I believe that sex work was a pathway to God for me.
	So I wouldn't disagree with that.
	Obviously, I don't know your story.
	I don't know the sins you've repented of, whatever.
	But I think God uses terrible things to bring people to himself.
	I mean, there is a proverb that says that man has his plan, but God directs his steps.
	So the intention of the man's or the person's heart might be sin and evil, but sometimes God uses our evil to bring about good.
	So yeah, I don't say, I would agree with you that God can use the sin that we intend to bring about good because he's smarter than us and he plans that stuff out.
	So ideally, I would say it would probably be better not to sin than to sin because there is a righteous God.
	But if it caused you to come to him, I'm going to praise him for that.
	But ultimately, I want people to come to him.
	So you would date a woman who was an ex-sex worker?
	There would have to be, like, so the short answer is yeah, but there would have to be like, I would have to see proof after proof.
	Like she has totally changed.
	Like her attitude, like how she behaves around guys, like she's not, she doesn't flirt around other dudes.
	She's not participating in single behavior.
	So she's not going to clubs and like partying with her single friends.
	Like she is like, I am practicing to be a wife, a mother.
	Like, I'm learning how to cook, do all this stuff to serve my house.
	I'm learning how to invest, how to make money while my husband is out working.
	Like, she's got to be, she's got to prove to me that this is no longer an effect on her life.
	Sex workers aren't necessarily going to the clubs because I don't.
	And you got to pay me five grand an hour just to get me to talk to you and spend time with you.
	So five at the over at Dubani.
	It's five Gs?
	Five G's.
	For an hour.
	So, and I don't, and I don't go to clubs.
	I don't go to clubs.
	I don't even drink and I don't drug and I do fitness competitions and it's it's actually like a career.
	So let's not stare at you.
	How much is it for 20 minutes?
	We negotiate.
	We can negotiate.
	That's a show.
	Every Friday.
	Every lady's different though, too, so they have different rates.
	Yeah.
	Suffice to say, speaking of.
	It's not a lifestyle of sex workers to be in clubs.
	Okay.
	That's fair.
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm not saying that the sex worker is always going to be in the club.
	I mean, for some of the people.
	You might find that your clientele there, but whatever.
	But he sounds like a real, you sound like a real Christian, though, like a real one.
	You're a real one.
	Like a real one.
	He's a real Christian.
	A real one.
	He's not a fake Christian.
	Yeah, because the fake ones, you can tell right away.
	Yeah, you could.
	But you're a real one.
	I appreciate it.
	He's a real.
	He's a real one.
	He's a real one.
	Speaking of, Olivia, speaking of the rates here, and I have a bunch of questions for all of you guys.
	You said that your rate is $5,000 for an hour.
	Is that correct?
	Depending perhaps on the details, could be more, could be less.
	And then girls, we're independent contractors, so we can negotiate.
	So, you know, somebody comes in and they're like, man, I've been planning this trip for a long time and I don't have quite that, but this is what I've got.
	And then it's up to me.
	Okay, what are you wanting?
	What are we going to be doing together?
	And let's say he smells great.
	He looks great.
	He passes the DC, the penis check, right?
	We're going to be looking at that making sure the dick check.
	And then maybe I say, okay, I'm going to come down for you because I like you and we're going to have a good time.
	And that's my decision.
	So ultimately it's consent and it's to each their own.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	But, you know, there's always this assumption that we're easy.
	Oh, and so military discounts.
	It depends on who you are.
	Yeah, but there's discounts.
	Yeah.
	I have my daytime special for police officers, public service.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Military discount.
	Yeah.
	You offer military discounts.
	But then after that, the firefighters and the EMT guys wanted to get in on it because, and so really it's like if you're in, if you are in a job of duress and you experience a lot of trauma, I will give you a discount.
	Yeah.
	Doctors, nurses.
	What about podcast hosts?
	It's a very stressful, incredibly stressful.
	Maybe it wasn't a proposition.
	Wait, so the military discount, police, fire, EMT, what is it, a 10% discount?
	25%.
	25% discount.
	Yes, anytime.
	Does it depend what branch of the military?
	Like, can I ask you to exclude the Coast Guard?
	I don't know if the Coast Guard should be.
	Maybe you give them like a 10%, you know?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, right.
	I just remember The Guardian with Ashton Kutcher, the Coast Guard movie.
	I like borer and movies for some reason.
	I don't know.
	Do any of you offer a discount like this, like a military firefighter discount?
	You got one?
	Yeah, I have set rates.
	um all my rates are set um so um uh since i can't divulge on on here but what the rates are Yeah, yeah.
	They're all set, though.
	It's less than 5,000, definitely, like my beginning experiences.
	But I do offer specials.
	And then if it's someone's first time, I do add an extra like 10 minutes sometimes because there could be nerves and it could be kind of time to warm up and enjoy themselves.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	10, 15.
	When you guys were, when you were working, when you were working any military discounts?
	No, I never did discounts.
	No discounts.
	Okay.
	I never did discounts.
	What about you, Alex?
	Except for people that were handicapped.
	But yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	I tend to prefer guests that are looking to have prolonged experiences with me.
	And I also prefer guests that want to see me more than just one time.
	I like the relationship aspect of this job.
	And so I tend to favor guests that want to spend a longer period of time rather than show up.
	I want to just get in there, get off, get out of there.
	That's not so much my thing.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Military discount?
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	And I just recently offered a free sex to the winner of the Formula One race.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh.
	Free sex.
	Oh, at the Formula One?
	In Las Vegas.
	Oh, yes.
	It was a tremendous event.
	It brought $1.7 billion into our local economy, which we are incredibly grateful for.
	So I decided to throw it out there in Las Vegas.
	Deal take you up on it, the winner of the race.
	Why do you think that there was a hard deadline and we're like, oh, no, we've got flights to catch.
	We got to go.
	There's places to be.
	There's things to do.
	Sure, sure.
	Okay, so I think we, oh, I wanted to know, how long have you guys all been doing sex work?
	15 years, I would say about.
	15 years?
	Okay.
	And the scope of the sex work, has it always, like, did you start out like dancing or stripping and then did it transition into, you know, escorting?
	I went right into the bunny ranch in.
	And I started a real S-Corp.
	Straight in.
	And then I got my master's degree, so I'll come in and out.
	At the beginning, Dennis Hoff wanted me to jump on the HBO special and do publicity.
	And I said, no, my son is young.
	I spent no more than a week and a half a month working.
	And then I'd be home being a stay-at-home mom and put my son through private school.
	And then that inspired me to want to be a teacher.
	And so I went and I've been a teacher and I've been VP of business growth at an active management wealth company.
	I did real estate during COVID.
	So coming in and out of white collar work has been important for me because I know that, you know, I've got other things that I can do if I don't want to do this tomorrow.
	Okay.
	So I, well, I've been doing sex work since I was 21.
	I, in high school, I was always kind of conservative.
	I came up from a really religious home.
	And pretty much when I got out of high school, a lot of people thought I was gay or they would call me Dyke a lot.
	Yeah, I would get called that a lot because I'd wear pantsuits, I'd wear black, I'd smoke cigarettes and just kind of be by myself.
	And I remember, I remember it was Valentine's Day one time and they're like, I was like, oh, I don't have Valentine.
	I don't have a guy.
	And they're like, God, I thought you were gay.
	And I was like, what?
	And so my friend was a dancer at the time.
	And I was like, you know what?
	Maybe I should explore the side of my sexuality and try to come out of my shell because I'm kind of tired of being called like gay when I'm not, you know?
	And not that there's anything wrong with it.
	It's just didn't want that to be called that.
	And so I did dancing and I did dancing for like five years.
	Then I did Playboy.
	And after Playboy, I worked independently.
	And then that's when I got into the Sweet to thank for the gift of 20 memberships.
	And that's when you got into.
	Well, I was a victim of a crime.
	And obviously, here I won't go.
	Yeah, I go into Super Do Deal.
	But my friend was a porn star at the time.
	Her name is Misty Matrix.
	And she referred me to the ranch.
	And then now here.
	Everything's been safe and good since.
	Okay, got it.
	That's good.
	What about you?
	16 years off and on, so full-time 11.
	I started when I was 18.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I started when I was 17.
	I always say I feel like I'm still in sex work.
	Stop the cat.
	Sorry, sorry, sister.
	I did not mean to press that.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	I started when I was 17.
	That's actually a crazy story.
	I started when I was 17, and I danced for 10 years, and I feel like I'm still in sex work.
	It just looks different now.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	And you've totally ceased, correct?
	Yeah, like I don't go, I don't strip or escort anymore.
	I see.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	What about you?
	Well, I started working at the front desk of a BDSM dungeon in New York City when I was 18 years old.
	Is it still around?
	It still is.
	What's it called?
	Well, it's a privately owned club.
	So it's very, very much so.
	Okay.
	That's how I got my stuff.
	Is it like a swingers thing, too?
	No, it was a private BDSM club where people go to receive a variety of sensations, oftentimes on the more severe end of things from professionals who know what they're doing and are able to do so in a way that is safe, risk-aware if there are any risks, and of course, very consensual.
	I see.
	Okay.
	And you work at the front desk?
	I did.
	How long were you on the front desk?
	I was on the front desk for about two years, and I was also in charge of organizing the educational track.
	So I was able to attend all these different classes and learn all these different cool, kinky things and eventually became an educator myself.
	Gotcha.
	And so you said how long have you been in the industry?
	Like actually escorting or I've been working within the ranches since 2015, so almost 10 years now.
	Okay, got it.
	I'm curious.
	So how many in a day, how many clients do you see?
	I'm only seeing now, you know, these days, and I get to vet them very carefully.
	I only see like clean professionals.
	I see regulars.
	So, you know, people I've built relationships with.
	Maybe two guys a week.
	Oh, two guys.
	Yeah, not much.
	A long time ago.
	Yeah, when you were at the ranch or whatever.
	That was wild.
	You know, when the HBO special was really, really popular, Dennis Hoff was just driving tons of people in from all over the world.
	And sometimes maybe it would be as many as like five or seven guys a day.
	In couples, too.
	We did a lot of couples, so women included.
	Gotcha.
	And that's a lot, but it's a physical energy.
	And I'm an athlete.
	And it's one of those things.
	It's like you get going, you get your juices going, and you want to keep going.
	Sex athlete?
	Yes.
	Or like a different kind of athlete.
	Well, I can't explain it.
	You just, you want to go back for more sometimes when you're making good money and you have this amazing physical experience and the serotonin's going.
	You know, and I was a lot younger and I just wanted to head on out there for more.
	But now I'm training in the gym like half the day.
	No, no.
	Maybe one guy a week, maybe two guys a week.
	You know, maybe they'll fly me over and we'll spend a weekend together.
	I like to be a travel companion.
	I like to spend long durations with these guys that I build a relationship with.
	How often are you traveling?
	Like being a travel companion?
	I'm traveling monthly.
	Okay.
	So yeah.
	The panel talked about abortion slash contraception.
	How does everyone feel about month abortions?
	I asked Becca as a teen mom.
	I had an early abortion and it broke my soul.
	How it came up as like a $20 super chat.
	So I don't know why that got red or if it was.
	It came up as a $20 super chat.
	That's weird.
	I already showed it.
	Oh, that must be something buggy with that thing.
	Go on, continue.
	Yeah, so I really appreciate just quality, you know, quality relationships, ongoing friendships.
	And I appreciate, you know, spending a great deal of time with people.
	But I'm trying to...
	How does the panel feel about late...
	I'm not in the middle of the day.
	So I'm training as a fitness competitor these days.
	So half my day is in the gym.
	So, you know, I'm not going to be getting it on all day.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Let me.
	Hold on.
	I need to fix that one sec, guys.
	That's bugged out.
	How often are you seeing clients?
	So, you know, typically I try to do, you know, just one person.
	Like, if, I mean, I don't generally book every single day, but if I could get one person in the day, that would be great.
	If by chance there happened to be like someone, they said, no, this is the only day I can do it.
	And I really want to, you know, run to see you.
	And I'm not going to turn them down.
	But typically I try to keep it one in the 24 hours.
	But if there just happened to be another one, I'd be like, okay, I'm not going to shut you off.
	Yeah.
	Well, when you were at the working on one of the ranches, how many people were you seeing then?
	In a day.
	Okay, so well, you know, and again, that depends.
	So maybe, maybe, you know, maybe that day I saw three guys, and then the next day I got busy.
	I went to the gym, and then I didn't happen to book that day.
	And then maybe the next day I saw, you know, two guys.
	So, you know, I would say on average, maybe five guys weekly, you know, in recent times, in recent times.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And I, but I've also learned I want to pace myself.
	And I don't want to spend my whole day there.
	I spend half the day out and about.
	I go hiking, I go to the gym, I go with the girls out, and I've kind of learned to ebb and flow my energy and how much I give of myself.
	Okay, got it.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	When you were in the industry, maybe if you had to average it out, like how many guys in a day would you see?
	I would say probably about 10.
	10 per day.
	Gotcha.
	On slow seasons, 5.
	And if someone paid more money, I spent more time with them, obviously.
	And if I traveled, that was one person a day.
	But during busy seasons, like if Formula One came, which it never did before, so the first time.
	Big sporting events, probably like 15.
	In the escort service in Las Vegas, the more calls you get, the more money you make.
	And the escort services that I used to work for pushed us to get as many calls in as we could.
	So it's like, you got 20 minutes.
	Go.
	I got five lined up after this one.
	And so unfortunately, that's part of their game.
	They try to make as much money as possible.
	Each person.
	Gotcha.
	What's the most you've ever seen in one day?
	Oh, gosh.
	I've never counted that.
	Maybe because of a bachelor party, 20.
	20.
	25.
	25?
	Okay.
	What about you guys?
	10, maybe.
	10 in the day?
	I think 10.
	When I first started, gotcha.
	What about you?
	So When I was escorting, I was, I just want to say, like, it's important to note that escorts, prostitutes, like, whatever you want to call them, we still have the ability to like choose who we want to be with.
	So it's not like this thing where it's just like a guy's coming in and we're like, yes, to everybody.
	We still have the option to choose.
	So for me in particular, I was very choosy.
	And I, like you were saying, I really enjoyed having just like longer term customers.
	So for me, it'd be like one a month if that.
	And I was very, very like, would only be with like celebrities, celebrities, or athletes.
	That was just my standard, though.
	So that was the criteria you used to measure?
	Yeah, I held like, I guess, a standard.
	So I would be like, okay, if this is like, I would never go with like a regular, a regular person.
	Okay, so is that kind of like around the table, same thing?
	Like, what are the standards?
	Like, what's the standard?
	Like, this person is a yes, this person's a no.
	Who somebody is matters a whole lot more, at least for me personally, than anything else.
	And by that, I mean the quality of the person.
	Are they going to be treating me well?
	Are they coming in with good intentions?
	Yeah.
	I want to have a good experience just as much as the other person does.
	I don't care what somebody necessarily looks like on a physical level, their height, their weight.
	I certainly care if they're of legal age.
	I certainly care that they want to be there consensually of their own free will.
	But like, I'm not looking for celebrities.
	I oftentimes find that my guests with disabilities are those the ones that treat me the best.
	Did you say how many clients that you see?
	No, I typically am only available by appointment only.
	I see maybe two to three people a week, if that.
	And even at the absolute most, I'm like, y'all are out here doing the most.
	I'm over here like, I saw three people once and that was really stressful.
	What's the most you've seen in one day?
	Three.
	Three.
	And I'm over here like, y'all are doing 25.
	Damn.
	It's a lot of bodies.
	Oh my gosh.
	Yeah, I find that the quality of the services that I'm able to provide is really important to me.
	And if I'm focused on like a quantity sort of thing, I don't really know if that's going to result in good experiences for everyone.
	A little earlier on in the conversation, you guys had mentioned getting arrested for what?
	Oh, shoot.
	Olivia, Olivia first.
	My clients are.
	Let's hear.
	What was it?
	Manslaughter.
	What are we talking here?
	So, okay, so I was, during Playboy days, we would go out to the club and I didn't want to be at the club anymore.
	I just wanted to walk back to my brother's hotel room because he got a hotel room.
	And it technically wasn't an arrest, but I was picked up in the cop car and taken to the police department because I didn't have an ID on me.
	I guess I lost it.
	And they thought that I was walking around and, you know, propositioning.
	And I get taken to the police department in Las Vegas and I'm sitting in the cell room and I see this one lady by the toilet just staring a hole through me.
	Like I was just like, oh my God, I'm so scared.
	And then this other lady was just kind of lurking as well.
	And finally, I was just like, oh, God, I hope they come in and like figure out I'm a real person.
	And I'm, you know, they don't, because they were checking my criminal record to see if, you know, anything came up.
	And sure enough, the guy's like, all right, you can leave.
	He's like, let me get you out of here.
	And I was like, oh, okay.
	He's like, just don't do that again.
	And I was like, all right.
	And I walked right back to my brothers.
	But don't do what?
	Don't walk outside.
	Don't be a woman in public.
	Like, be cute.
	Hold on just to say.
	Stop the cap.
	The only standard is the cash hits the table or the credit card clears.
	Remember, men do not pay hookers to stay.
	They pay them to leave.
	Oh.
	The guys at the poker games would say.
	Opinion, though.
	Yeah, opinion.
	That is an opinion.
	I wonder how many sex workers that man has paid.
	Grid one motorsports, how many.
	How old are he?
	So grid one.
	He's trying to spice the show up.
	Yeah.
	Apparently, it's extremely boring.
	Oh, spice it up.
	According to grid one.
	Yeah, let's spice it up.
	Yeah, let's do it.
	You said you were arrested a couple times as a relationship.
	25 times.
	25 times 24 times as an escort.
	Jeez.
	The first one was actually.
	You know that cop show.
	Remember that?
	Yeah.
	What you going to do?
	I beg the vice not to put me on that show.
	Stop it.
	I said, my parents.
	No.
	But the person that started that show is the first person that ever arrested me.
	Billions.
	And with my friend Roxanne.
	And it was really embarrassing.
	But they solicited me and the money was on the table.
	And then when I got out from the bathroom, because of course we have to make sure the room's safe, he had his badge right where his parts were.
	He had no clothes on.
	I was like, what are you doing?
	And he started.
	He was like a person.
	Yeah.
	That's really good.
	So anyway, all that to say, stop.
	Going to jail was like, I was bawling my eyes out.
	I'll never forget what I had on.
	I had on a BB sweater with a little like patent white leather heart with patent leather, white pants, patent leather, beautiful heels with studs on them.
	You guys, I look like a dynamo that night.
	And I was so like mad because it was my first call and it was at the Stardust Hotel, you guys.
	I'm going to cry because I love the Stardust Hotel.
	It got blown up.
	All the times that you got arrested, how it was all for solicitation, solicitation and loitering, solicitation, which most of it was all like the vice would see me and if they saw me at another hotel, they would just pick me up and take me downtown.
	What about you guys?
	Have you guys been to prison for fighting?
	For fighting?
	A lot of mine has just been for fighting.
	Yeah.
	Never in the club or from the industry, though.
	This was all like teen shit.
	But then I did have to go to prison for like six months and that was horrific.
	It was really bad.
	Didn't do much.
	Didn't reform me because I literally started stripping after that.
	So, Alice, what about you?
	Wow.
	No, I got detention once.
	Oh, okay.
	Wow.
	Hardened criminal.
	Hardcore, hardcore.
	So a lot of you, it sounds like you do the escorting or did the escorting.
	There's the ranch work.
	Have any of you done?
	I don't know what the appropriate term is, like street walking.
	Yes.
	I coach a lot of street walkers.
	On how to street walk?
	No, women have done that and now are transitioning out and wanting to know like what's going on with them.
	So no.
	Yeah.
	I did.
	Was that when you began at the start?
	It was in the quarantine.
	I walked the streets of Reno and I was the streets of Reno.
	Yeah.
	And I remember at the time, like, I felt like, I don't know, I was kind of like, you know, rock and roll.
	Like, I was kind of like wild.
	And I was, I just, I had this trench coat, this black trench coat, and I'd walk the streets with my trench coat.
	I'd go down to San Diego, down, trench coat, black trench coat.
	I had my typical that was my typical fishnets.
	No fishnets.
	I had black leather pants, and then I had this black trench coat, and I had this dark eye makeup on.
	Were there specific streets that you can go to where it's kind of known?
	Downtown San Diego, I did.
	This was in San Diego.
	In San Diego.
	You did just a character in the Matrix.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah.
	It's so funny because there's actually a hooker in Grand Theft Auto.
	And at the time, because I had dark hair, she looked like me.
	Exactly.
	I was going to say best GTA life radio.
	You'd just be walking and someone would like pull up in the car and be like, how's the process go?
	Walk me through it.
	So they would, they would typically, I never got in cars, but typically it would be people walking like on the street.
	So I would be walking like around the corners or anything or kind of going into in and out of like 7-Elevens or something.
	And they'd walk and say, hey, where are you going?
	I was like, I don't know.
	you know, where are you going?
	And then, you know, and then they'd say, oh, well, you know, we're going back to Buddy's place.
	And I was like, okay, what do you do?
	It's try to vet them.
	And then they're like, oh, well, you know, would you like to come up?
	And I'd, you know, and then that would be how it would go.
	And then sometimes I'd go into strip clubs and I would sit in the strip club and like dressed up like as like in a really nice like outfit.
	And they're like, oh, do you work here?
	And I'd be like, I used to.
	And oh, wow.
	I'd pull them out.
	And I almost got banned from a club for doing that.
	That's controversy with strippers and escorts coming in.
	It causes a lot of fights because chaos.
	I had left with like a couple guys and I think the club was starting to recognize it.
	And so I saw the owner just kind of lurking and I was like, I better stop.
	And then I would go into my strip club.
	Yeah.
	It turned out when I was dancing, I would go into my strip club and I would go with the intent of pulling someone out within an hour.
	That's awesome.
	Like I would, yeah, I would do that too.
	But then I was just like, oh, but then that's what led to the.
	Like behind enemy lines type of shit.
	Yeah.
	And I had the trench coat.
	I would always wear the trench coat.
	So you'd be walking down the, was it like a specific street and you said downtown San Diego?
	Downtown right by the bars.
	And so, but like when the guys would come up to you.
	Yeah.
	And so did they, I assume that they knew that you were just trying to be friendly.
	They were just hitting on you.
	At what point in the conversation would you be like, by the way, I charge X amount.
	Well, so they'd be like, where, they would first say, where are you going?
	And I was like, oh, I'm just, you know, I don't know.
	It might be headed home.
	And then where are you going?
	And then they'd be like, oh, well, if you want to.
	And I was like, I don't know.
	And they'd be like, I'll take care of you.
	Like, usually they would say something.
	It could have been the trip.
	Not to interrupt, but when I moved to Los Angeles, I was like shocked at the level of prostitution that was happening because where I came from, it was like very looked down upon to escort if you were dancing and whatnot.
	When I came, like, you'd be surprised at how many people just know.
	Like, it's so normalized, it's wild.
	Okay.
	I think it just has the vibe.
	At least for your situation, I mean, if you're in these environments, like you said you'd go out in the nightlife district or whatever.
	Yeah.
	It's an expectation almost.
	Like people just know that there's going to be hookers there.
	And I think like the way I looked at them too, like I'd look at them a certain way and then they'd be like, yeah, I'd like to make it.
	Show me the look.
	Ooh.
	I can't do it.
	I get it.
	I'm going to turn into this camera right here.
	Everyone's an escort, though.
	No, this camera, this camera.
	That camera?
	Like, I don't know.
	I'd look at him a certain way.
	It's a triangle.
	I got a little friend.
	I try to just lock them in.
	But if you're out in a nightlife district, couldn't these guys just be coming up to you and not know you're prostituting?
	They're just hitting on you and they're.
	And so I would deny them once.
	So you deny them once.
	And then after you deny them, they'd try to be like, oh, are you sure?
	And I'm like, yeah, I don't know.
	What if I, you know, took care of you a little bit?
	And then that's when I knew that.
	Oh, they would say that.
	Yeah.
	So you just knock them down.
	It would never occur to me if I'm like trying to hit on a girl and I don't know.
	Well, then you'll meet people who like, it's not a thing.
	And so like you'll, you'll proposition them and they'll be like, what the hell?
	Then again, I've never been in the middle of the day.
	Or proposition means that you're not.
	I've been propositioned before and I'm like, what the hell?
	Like, that's what happened to me when I first moved to LA.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	I'm like, oh, sorry.
	I don't know if I can.
	No, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	And I'm like, I don't know.
	I'm like, I'm not this.
	Like, I'm not an escort, you know?
	It's very, very, very normalized.
	Okay.
	Like, uncomfortably normalized.
	Okay.
	I see.
	So do you get anything?
	The car comes up thing?
	No, because I didn't want to get trapped in a car with someone.
	I've had cars.
	But where would you go then?
	I've watched monsters.
	Oh, they would, we'd go to hotel.
	I'd say, can you book a hotel room?
	And they'd say, yeah.
	And then they'd book it really quick, and then they would do it.
	And these were in my wilder days.
	Wilder days.
	Rock and roll.
	So, how does that conversation look?
	Like, okay, some dude walks up, he knows you're an escort.
	Yeah.
	I'd be like, what's the guy?
	Are you just told you?
	It's like, you got to pay to play.
	Oh, no, I would just say, okay, well, I mean, he would pretty much proposition.
	He'd say, oh, well, if I take care of you, and I'm like, you know, you got X, we could do for X amount if you get a hotel.
	And he'd be like, all right.
	And just book it right there on his phone.
	And then we'd walk up together.
	I'd see and then I'd leave.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And have you two done any?
	I've never, no.
	What about?
	I have the first time I ever got paid.
	Okay.
	My girlfriend flew me to Hawaii and it's very known there.
	I don't know if it is right now.
	There's a couple streets that everybody walks and it used to just be, it would be regular girls like me, just young girls.
	And then there was a lot of, I don't want to use the wrong word, you guys.
	Well, if they're not regular girls, whatever they mean, I call them Renella.
	They were sex workers, but they I don't like to say that word either.
	It's okay.
	Courtney owning.
	Oh, you guys, this is really hard.
	Okay, they were men dressed as females.
	Okay.
	I don't want to tell you that.
	I don't want to say that because it offends a lot of people, but we called them trannies.
	Okay.
	And so back in the day.
	There was a major competition too, by the way.
	But I only did that for about two weeks because I never jumped in a car.
	So that would have freaked me out.
	No cars.
	We would just meet Japanese men and we would say, and they would get, you know, their hotel.
	It means, would you come and play with me?
	Come have fun with me.
	Asobe.
	You know, it's like show off.
	And so that I learned how to speak Japanese.
	And we would not go with white guys.
	Oh.
	Any other race, but I know this sounds so bad, you guys, but only Japanese men.
	Only at the Japanese.
	That makes perfect sense.
	They were the safest.
	This is the way I was taught by the people that I knew back then.
	My girlfriend, my best friend, her girl that turned her out, that was the way the clientele were because they had a lot of money.
	It was the 80s.
	Whoa, the 80s.
	We as the United States were doing really, really well in the late 80s.
	So the Japanese men had a lot of money.
	The first date I ever turned was with my girlfriend, and I literally took my clothes off, and the guy was done.
	I was like, okay.
	That's how I got hooked into sex work because, you know, 500 bucks, there was no agency fee.
	And I was like, this is way too easy.
	Because I was making $3.47 an hour.
	You know, at my normal job.
	And I'm like, this does not compete at all.
	This is a no-brainer.
	I'm quitting my job.
	Can we do an inflation check?
	What was 500 in the 80s?
	It's double, double.
	Did you adjust for it?
	It's double back, double.
	It's about double $15.
	So you're making 500 back then.
	1,000.
	And it was so tempting to just stay in that space.
	Did they pay in yen ever?
	Yeah, a lot.
	And we would know what the yen was.
	So for 100, typically it was 100,000 yen.
	Oh, okay.
	Wow.
	So 1 million yen was like 1,000 during the rates.
	Gotcha.
	But it was, you guys, it was so, and I don't know about any of you ladies, your thoughts, because for me, I'm just going to be blunt and honest.
	I was after the money.
	Bottom line, dollar, dollar, make me holla.
	That's all it was.
	At that time, like, you are a man that is dumb enough to pay for sex.
	This is what my thoughts were because I was really mangre at men back then.
	I remember we talked about this last time, Brian.
	I was so like embittered towards men.
	So I was like, if I can charge them.
	Yes.
	It's dead as happening right now.
	And yes, it was empowering.
	And I felt really like actually made me happy to be able to control men's pockets with my looks.
	It was very addicting.
	For me, I wanted the sex and I wanted the intimacy.
	I was an infomaniac too.
	I wanted to be, I didn't feel safe in my waking life.
	And I felt like when I was intimate with someone, I felt really safe.
	And I was like, oh, this is comforting.
	But then there's also money which helps me out.
	So I would kind of like linger a little while when I'd see them.
	And then I'd be like, all right, well, I better get going.
	Like, you know, call me.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then that's going off.
	Yeah.
	I'm like, what you're actually seeking was safety.
	Yeah, safety.
	Yeah.
	I would spend the night sometimes at their places because I just didn't, I just, I wanted to be with them.
	I was like, I feel safe here.
	I'm getting fed.
	I'm, you know, this is nice, you know?
	So I guess I have, I have a question.
	Do you, so in the sex work industry, do you see it as like an empowering thing?
	Absolutely, yes.
	It's a form of shadow work.
	It's, it's a way for women that you have to understand a lot of like sex workers.
	Shadow work?
	I would say legal.
	Legal sex work.
	Yeah.
	Legal.
	What is shadow work?
	Shadow work is.
	So it's basically, say you have a disempowering like childhood.
	Like something really traumatic happens to you.
	You start forming all these beliefs in your subconscious mind.
	And that's what ends up leading you in your adult life.
	So for me, like I have an extremely traumatic childhood.
	I know that majority of the sex workers that I work with have really traumatic childhoods.
	So they go to sex work as a way to actually re-empower themselves from what happened to them when they were children.
	Just because they weren't valued by their parents.
	It's a lot of things.
	So for her case, can I use it as a case?
	For her case, it's safety.
	So she had this underlying desire of safety.
	We'd obviously have to go into a session, pick your brain, and like understand where this sensation of not feeling safe came from.
	But for her, she was using sex work as a tool to create safety in her adult life because that was something that is like a wound within her.
	For me, ma'am.
	I just finished watching the last three episodes: 116, 117, and 118.
	This is for your ability to put up with all the BS that was said.
	Oh, thank you, Died Cow.
	Some of those girls, even still alive.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the last couple episodes were definitely pretty interesting shows.
	Thank you, Swordless.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Yeah, that's why I had to hire this Masseus to help with the stress.
	The show has been so stressful.
	Let me see.
	Oh, I had a question.
	Did you want to finish your thing?
	It was just basically, we see sex work as a stepping stone.
	I think where it gets muddled and the perception that people see is like all of the negative.
	You know what I mean?
	And they don't see how it actually can be the stepping stone.
	Like I was saying, like for me to God and to re-empower yourself.
	I think that women just get stuck in it too long.
	Sure.
	So they don't know when to like.
	Or they don't change.
	They don't evolve it.
	They don't evolve.
	You guys even weigh in on the empowerment.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I wanted to ask how you got involved.
	Or sorry, we have to wait for this first.
	Selling sex is not empowering.
	Men get to have you for money.
	Very delusional to think otherwise.
	The attempt to spin such debauchery in a positive light is madness.
	So this kind of gets to the point I wanted to make.
	So as you're participating in sex work, you say it's empowering, it's creating this safe space.
	Maybe it's, I don't know.
	I mean, obviously, I'm not in that.
	I've never been in that space.
	Do you really see that all you can, not all you can offer, but what you offer right then and there in this very intimate setting, you're providing a very close connection with somebody that maybe you've known for a little while, maybe it's the first time, whatever.
	Do you really see that as like you can put a monetary value on that and say that it's empowering?
	Why not put a monetary value on that?
	We pay for therapy, we pay for doctors, we pay for all sorts of professional expertise in our industry.
	Why not pay a sex worker who knows what they're doing?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	I understand.
	These clients worship me.
	When these clients come in, these men are just so enamored and so gracious and so happy to have our company.
	And it is a win-win.
	One strung my guitar the other day.
	This is the most stereotypical panel.
	Daddy didn't love me enough.
	Getting arrested for assault instead of sex.
	Closeted Christian man.
	Whoa.
	He's a real one.
	All right.
	The short answer is I don't think you could put a number on our value.
	And I think that value is immeasurable.
	Like all of us are intrinsically valuable.
	So you can't put a number on that.
	But I think that there's a difference between value and a service.
	You know what I mean?
	I guess, so I mean, this is my opinion.
	I think this bears out in the science.
	I would say there is no value being added.
	Let me reinforce that.
	So in the ability for somebody to bond with somebody else, so in a sexual relationship, the more sexual partners you have, the less likely you are able to bond with that other person.
	Actually, there was a study that was done that showed that, what is it, after 20 partners, you are 16 times more likely to get divorced.
	What study was this?
	Yeah, please, please do tell.
	No, there's not another thing.
	I can't remember the idea.
	There are those studies that probably proved that wrong.
	Tantra.
	And yes, let's get into Tantra because that's the foundation.
	You're 27 and you still haven't been able to tie down a relationship.
	Well, he doesn't desire to, but that's supposedly.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm extremely picky with who I am going to involve myself with.
	And that's totally okay.
	And there's just as many people who aren't picky and want to have the experience.
	So I'm not going to get into a relationship side.
	I understand their age.
	I understand there is a desire.
	So I know that people have the desire.
	I am just simply putting forward the evidence that shows that having multiple sexual partners before marriage hurts your ability to bond with somebody else.
	And I'm not saying that, I mean, as a believer, I know that Christ can he restores the soul.
	So I'm not saying that it's impossible for someone to be redeemed.
	I'm saying that it takes a miracle.
	Yeah, and we're all possible of having that miracle.
	And I'm not saying this in a negative way, but it's like, I don't think that it's fair to speak to something that you haven't experienced.
	Absolutely.
	That's slightly unfair.
	I can sit here and say that certain atrocities in history were wrong and not have experienced them.
	So like you can take it to either side of the spectrum.
	Just because I haven't experienced something doesn't mean I don't know truth.
	What is true for you?
	In your journey.
	That's interesting.
	In your God-given journey.
	What is my God-given journey?
	It looks a little bit different and it feels a little bit different than your opinion.
	Okay, well, so there is only one truth.
	Like I can say till I'm blue in the face that gravity doesn't exist, but gravity does exist.
	I don't care what anyone says.
	So there is an objective truth.
	There are universal constants.
	There are scientific things that are just true.
	So I believe that the Bible is the foundation for truth.
	That is where I derive all of my truth from.
	When someone says something or when I start pondering things, okay, what does the Bible say about this?
	If the Bible teaches against it, then that is objective truth and I must mold myself to that.
	Doesn't the Bible promote constitution?
	No, it doesn't promote it, but the Bible doesn't necessarily reject it.
	It doesn't reject a constitution.
	It don't even make sense.
	If anything, sex workers are exceptional within the context of the Bible.
	I don't know what to do.
	I think it's a very important thing.
	Sexual mission work.
	Sex work is a form of mission work.
	Oh, that's mission.
	It's a mission.
	Anytime Jesus interacted with prostitutes in the Bible, it was he treated them with love, but he called them to repent.
	He did.
	He told him, get out of, get out of.
	There's no repenting.
	You've got to repent.
	But going back to prior to, let's talk about Mary Magdalene.
	I was going to say, why, why?
	Why did all the kings have been?
	We're obnoxious, okay?
	But I'm saying God.
	There's no which's in there.
	I know it's going to the Candace Owens debate.
	Oh, no, I know that there are people in the Bible that were.
	I'm not sure scriptures.
	I'm not very picked.
	Can I answer?
	That's a whole metal.
	I don't even know what that is.
	I don't know what that is.
	Okay, so the Bible shows a whole lot of sinful people who are imperfect.
	So it shows a need for a perfect savior.
	So it shows a need for Jesus.
	So there's an Old Testament or New Testament that you follow?
	Both.
	It is the word of God.
	Like all of it's the word of God.
	Because the Old Testament's shadowy.
	Oh, I know.
	It's very shadowy.
	So the Old Testament.
	Yeah, the Old Testament shows the need for a perfect Savior.
	It shows, okay, all of these kings, all of these men, they're broken, they're fallen, and they need to be redeemed.
	None of these guys are perfect.
	None of these guys are going to cut it.
	I have a question.
	Not to cut you off, but I just, okay, there's a statement and then a question.
	The statement is, I don't believe that anyone is truly a sinner, right?
	I think that we all have this mission.
	Like your mission was to be brought up the way that you were.
	Our mission, this is a part of our mission.
	And we need to experience this darkness, okay, so that we can understand the light.
	And this is why I'm saying that I feel like a lot of sex workers stay too long and they go through the darkness, but they don't have the cognizance because they're so used to their human patterns.
	They don't have the cognizance of listening to the calling of God within them.
	What do you mean, cognizance?
	So they don't have the awareness a lot of the time that that's like, okay, their human brain tells them like, this is safe.
	So can I use you as an example?
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	So, like, it's safe for me to be here.
	At the end of the day, every single human being craves one.
	Every being on this planet, if you're to run towards a flock of birds, what are they going to do?
	Fly away.
	They're going to fly away.
	Why?
	Because they don't want to be killed.
	Because they don't want to be killed.
	They're seeking safety.
	So every single human being on this planet, every being on this planet is seeking safety.
	So if you go into an industry and it creates this bubble of safety for you, why leave it?
	Your human brain is always going to choose a familiar hell over an unfamiliar heaven.
	So yeah, okay.
	I would say, and we see this throughout the Bible, but it shows the Bible tells us multiple places that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
	Yeah, we all have, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And that we are all dead in our trespasses and sins.
	So that is what we do.
	That is by nature, we are children of wrath.
	We are people who go against God.
	And it takes God to save us, to transform our lives, to make us more like him.
	It's not something that I can just drum up.
	No, I know that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, so, and you see that throughout the Old Testament.
	There are some horrible men.
	It's wild.
	It's a wild place.
	It's some rated R stuff.
	Hold on just a second.
	Lauren's typical GTA hook a day in the life is smash.
	Get paid, then get batted and money jacked.
	What?
	Brian?
	It's happened.
	Oh, DistroKid, the last time when we were Vutocian.
	There's something super weird going on with the TTS.
	Yo, LP, thank you very much, man.
	Yes, and I do recall that from the, yes, yes, yes.
	Did you?
	I wanted to say that, you know, and I want to respect everyone's opinion here.
	I have my experience in the sex industry was in the very beginning empowering moments.
	Very beautifully.
	The fucking thing.
	I'd like to hear.
	Yeah, Alice, I'd like to hear you too speak up.
	Well, I have questions.
	Do you have something griefy?
	Because I'd like to say that.
	I just wanted to say that when you're referencing us, I mean, she's speaking for what she knows.
	I'm going to speak for what I know and what I've experienced.
	And the empowerment part was very limited and very short.
	Yeah.
	So that's kind of the point I was trying to make.
	And so it's very, everyone's experience has been different here at this table.
	And I think that everyone has the, I think they have a right to say.
	Yeah.
	No, I agree.
	I want to see their context.
	I mean, this is a very rare situation for me where I can see a crossroad.
	That's very different than that.
	He's a real one.
	But you know what makes you a real one?
	What makes him a real Christian is there's hope.
	I feel like the ones with no hope, if they're like you.
	Guys, guys, guys, stop.
	Let her speak, please.
	Oh, go ahead.
	No, no, no.
	The thing that makes him a real one is I feel like a real Christian at least has some hope.
	Like, it's not like, oh, my God, sorry, you're stuck.
	It's just like, you know, hey, like, you know, there's going to be.
	You're respectful.
	Yeah.
	Because Candace isn't a real Christian.
	I mean, you know, I never fired.
	I'm like this.
	I don't care.
	So there's a lot of people.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's important for Christians, one, to be respectful.
	Like, we are called to love.
	We are not called to promote or accept sin.
	So like, I'm not going to sit here and be like, I approve of your guys' lifestyle.
	I heavily disapprove.
	But I see you are created in the image of God and I respect him.
	So he has infinite value.
	So he has bestowed that value upon yourself.
	So, if anything, I see it as like the thing that makes sin so sinful is that it is, it is, especially sexual sin, it is a sin against your own body.
	So, it's sinning against something that is infinitely valuable.
	That's where I see the tragedy because I see like there is so much value, and that's why it just is distasteful to me.
	But anyway, I know, Brian, you want to move on?
	Yeah, I just want to make sure I get this chat in just because it's about to fall off.
	We have Derek the Trader.
	Question for the ladies: If a young woman approached you for advice on entering the escort industry, what would you tell her?
	So, we'll start with Olivia.
	We'll go around the table.
	Try to keep brief answers if you can.
	Go ahead.
	I would advocate that they go and gain their training at a legal brothel.
	I would, I'm not going to state which, but I have my favorites in terms of ethical decision-making and business practices, and I would send them there for training and understanding.
	I would be happy to be their mentor and invite them to join our squad and gain knowledge from us.
	We've all talked about this: how you could be of use in the spiritual sense.
	You are fantastic at branding and business.
	I can assist in terms of physical health.
	We've talked about being kind of a hub together.
	And also, the business aspect in terms of just being able to manage your money and invest.
	Financial literacy, offering that as well.
	Okay.
	I'd say before, I wouldn't, I guess, necessarily recommend escorting or you know, sex work to anyone.
	I mean, obviously, I would say, like, okay, if you're really going to do it, do a legal brothel.
	You're going to be safe and safe.
	But I would say try dancing first.
	See if you like it.
	See how it goes.
	And if you like it, then legal brothel.
	I would not recommend it whatsoever.
	I would not recommend it only because if you're questioning it, then it's just not for you.
	A lot of the women who are led into that industry are literally led into that industry, and it's not something you question.
	Sure.
	It's just something you do.
	I think it really depends on the individual and what their motivations are for getting into the industry.
	Have they considered the risks, the benefits, what this means for them long-term and short-term, how this is going to impact their life?
	Sex work is work, but it is also realistically stigmatized work.
	So I would really encourage someone to sit with it, pause, and think about all of those things and do their homework and research before moving forward.
	Intentionality is everything.
	Your why really matters in this industry.
	So another question I have going around the table for everybody: I want to know total clients you've had.
	Oh, God.
	I don't even know how to do it.
	I don't know how total clients.
	I think I already said a thousand.
	How much?
	I think I already said like a thousand in my 10 years.
	Yeah.
	In 10 years.
	Yeah.
	I'm just curious, like how many total clients you've had.
	I don't know.
	I've had a lot of time.
	Give us a range.
	A range.
	A thousand plus.
	Maybe a thousand plus.
	Two thousand plus.
	I don't know.
	I don't even pull out the receiver.
	Right.
	I feel like I'm in a lot of time.
	Why would you want our body?
	I feel very vanilla.
	Why would you ask sex work?
	That's a different question than body count.
	It's a different question than body count because body count that extends to your sex life outside of your work.
	I'm curious just your total clients that you've had.
	So within the profession.
	Probably a thousand plus.
	Two thousand plus.
	Ten thousand.
	I'm just curious.
	I'm just getting me into that.
	Olivia.
	I'm curious.
	I'm curious.
	I gotta know.
	I've seen a lot of people who've made a lot of connections.
	I've motivated a lot of fun.
	She's had a lot of fun.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	5,000 plus.
	5,000.
	Give us a number.
	You got to give us a number, Olivia.
	Can't we have a range?
	Yeah, a range.
	A range is five to a thousand plus.
	What if it's a million?
	A million.
	There are times when, like, so there's been times, you know, in the very beginning when I first got in and then it was more volume.
	And then I decided I wanted to be a travel companion.
	Yeah.
	I was only going out with like five guys for a couple years and we traveled.
	And I made a way.
	That was fantastic.
	I made a ton of money that way.
	More money.
	And we did vacations, but that was only with five guys for several years.
	You like that restaurant.
	That's a good restaurant.
	Okay, well, so teleclients, come on, Olivia.
	Olivia.
	You guys, maybe, I don't know.
	2,000 plus?
	Well over.
	Do you think it's 2,000 plus?
	Likely.
	Do you think it's 3,000 plus?
	I'm sure.
	So it's somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 plus.
	Yes, because I have had a lot of regulars.
	I have regulars of like 10 years.
	Oh, no, so I wouldn't count.
	You can't count them.
	I wouldn't count repeats.
	You can't count.
	I can't count repeats.
	I think collectively have over 9,000 clients.
	That means A plus reference.
	A plus.
	Maybe.
	Actually.
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Bender the Offender.
	Is it Laura or Laura?
	Laura is Laura.
	Always do the confusion.
	Is it 1,000 plus, 2,000 plus, 3,000 plus?
	I mean, I guess 1,000 plus, because if I said 1,000 like a couple weeks ago, then I can't.
	But you know if it's, because 1,000 plus, that could be 2,000 plus, right?
	So do you think it's between 1,000 and 2,000?
	It's got to be between 1,000 and like 1,000.
	You got a list?
	100.
	No.
	Some of them didn't.
	Deer die.
	Yeah, deer die today.
	That would be.
	Annie, what about you?
	Yeah, I got beat up for this last time.
	Remember?
	We did this.
	I did a documentary a couple years back about that very number, and I could not really remember.
	I said 10,000 at first, but actually when I look back now, about 30,000 because I worked every single day of the year, and it was a competition.
	Me and the other girls as pimps, I mean, we were all trying to make the most money.
	And yeah, it's about 30, and I don't know how many repeats those are because I had a lot of regular clients.
	A lot of repeat clients.
	Did you guys have your own like, like, you know, like, you know, areas or is.
	Oh, no, it was escorting.
	Oh, gotcha.
	Some girls call it walking the carpets.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	And you have a carpet.
	We call it the picture.
	And that's walking the park.
	Yeah.
	We don't walk the street.
	We walk on carpets.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And that's if you're in between cars.
	You're not going to call the knees.
	I mean, it's more comfortable for your feet.
	Like, you literally sometimes would take your heels off the end and not use your heels anymore.
	But walking the carpet was, you know, it's really weird.
	Okay, there's a hierarchy.
	And I know we talked about this earlier, Lila.
	We touched on it, the hierarchy.
	Streetwalker, a stripper, escort.
	Yeah, no, no, yeah.
	Where'd you put ventriloquist on that list?
	Okay, so that's a whole nother level of a specialty.
	Have you special?
	Have any of you guys seen the ventriloquist?
	What's that?
	Wait, but that's a special thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I want to go to sexual.
	I'm homosexual too in my website.
	I had one when I was coming up.
	Charlie.
	Charlie, the ventilator.
	Yeah, I loved him.
	I wanted to be a vent culture.
	But anyway.
	But so there's hierarchy.
	So there's, well, I don't like to say this.
	Streetwalkers.
	I don't want to hurt anyone.
	And it's been a long time.
	Streetwalkers.
	I'm not sure.
	Sorry.
	Exotic dancers.
	And if you called me a stripper, I would get mad at you.
	I'm an exotic dancer.
	Don't call me a stripper.
	Yeah, they'd get mad.
	You know, and then going.
	They yelled at me.
	Yeah.
	And escorting.
	And then, no, I'm not an escort.
	I'm a call girl.
	What are you talking about?
	Call girl.
	I am not a streetwalker.
	I'm a call girl.
	In fact, I'm a high-class call girl because I saw nothing but at the very end, I worked for the casinos, the concierge.
	I worked for nothing but people that no one knew about that were calling the escort services.
	It was on the down low.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Strip clubs would even call.
	Yeah.
	And I hated the strip clubs because they were our competition and they took a lot of the money.
	Yeah.
	There was less clubs.
	Strippers and the bartender.
	Yeah, it's like really misplaced.
	Yeah, how many clients have you seen?
	I feel so vanilla.
	I feel like I, because it was something that I didn't really enjoy.
	Like, I was just like, oh, mental health, like, could go without it.
	I'd say under within escorting, maybe under 20.
	Oh, okay.
	Listen.
	Yeah, I was like very vanilla with it.
	Okay.
	Alice, what about you?
	It all depends on how you define body count.
	Are these the people I have been with?
	But does that extend to the people that those people have been with?
	When you think about risk, however, and this is something I think is important to touch on here, when you're calculating who are you being intimate with, you also have to consider who are those other people being intimate with.
	That is true.
	We are professionals that are tested every seven days.
	We are the most tested individuals on the planet.
	Nobody receives the same level of STD and STI testing.
	You should be a politician.
	You should be a sex worker.
	Yeah, Alice.
	Yeah, we quite literally are professionals, though.
	So when you hear these large numbers, also understand that we are routinely being tested.
	We are very risk aware.
	We're using condoms and dental dams as required by law.
	Dental dams.
	This isn't just like random hookups at a bar where people are having active.
	No, I'm just asking total clients.
	I'm just asking total clients.
	I mean, easily over 3,000 to 5,000, easily, easily without a problem.
	Easily over.
	It doesn't really matter because we are doing so in a professional context.
	Would you not be nervous if your surgeon's like, I've operated on five whole people?
	I'd be like, no, thank you.
	Get away from me with those tools.
	I don't trust you and your experience yet.
	So I think it's a good thing.
	Well, I think, well, you're saying within the context of seeing a sex worker, you would want somebody who's experienced.
	A professional, absolutely.
	Like, do you think people are paying five grand?
	Oh, my God.
	I have found so much in my experience over time from when I first started in this industry.
	And I give a much better experience now as compared to back then.
	Everyone's looking at the difference between quality versus quantity.
	And everybody has moved away from the, oh, I want to see more people.
	And instead, everyone's focused on, oh, I want to be more selective, more choosy.
	And it's a very different experience as a result of that.
	Sure.
	That only comes from experience.
	No.
	Well, I do have kids.
	I have 26 kids, but they're all goats.
	No, I have full-size goats.
	They weigh like 200.
	I love goats.
	I don't know if.
	I don't know if the comparison to you'd want a surgeon who's had a lot, who's done a lot of surgeries, they're more experienced.
	Therefore, I don't know if that's an apt comparison because couldn't you make the argument that, for example, a woman who is prepared to sell her virginity could command a much higher rate for a one-time sex session than, for example, just a prostitute that's been prostituting?
	Actually, no.
	That is a myth.
	That is something that I think.
	I don't think that's a myth.
	No, it is something that has been actively attempted through the legal brothels multiple times.
	What happened?
	We have done like virgin auctions where they've attempted to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars potentially for someone's virginity.
	And in fact, that virgin didn't really have a very easy time of making that a successful option.
	People weren't actually on it.
	There was way less interest.
	For a virgin.
	I mean, I would wonder if there's some sort of fraud going on.
	How could you prevent?
	Supposedly there was that doctor's.
	I was a virgin last night.
	Well, no, this was part of it.
	They did like a doctor's check for this girl back in the day.
	I mean, she's using tampons, Alice.
	She had no tampons definitely.
	So, I'm making you a virgin.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying.
	Virginity is an energy, and I think it could be renewed.
	What?
	Yeah, I think.
	Virginity can be renewed.
	I think that virginity is an energy.
	I'm happy with all that.
	I mean, okay.
	You can't renew that.
	I was a virgin in a second.
	I don't know.
	I married my husband.
	We didn't have sex.
	I think virginity is an energy.
	Sorry, Nick.
	Sorry.
	Like, if you've had sex in a way that isn't consensual for the first time, and then you're choosing to have sex for the first time, consensually, I am choosing to now have sex.
	That is the first time that you are having sex.
	I need to end the sentence.
	Anything before that should not be considered in violation of that.
	If somebody else's regarding that, that's an extreme situation.
	Yeah, extremely.
	But it happens, though.
	So if it's like more than consensual sex, you're no longer a virgin.
	Yes, once you choose.
	That's what I think that's.
	I'm not sure if that's what she's saying.
	Yeah, but go ahead.
	So I don't like to.
	So, yes, there is a side of me that says, okay, there is redemption in Christ.
	I've said that many times on the show.
	But I can't, I hate the rhetoric that is often peddled by people who have made choices in their life that are in so according to the Bible or in their own estimation, not okay.
	Like, I wish I wouldn't have made those decisions.
	But then they try to absolve them and pretend like, oh, but that's not me anymore.
	So all of it just goes away.
	All of the baggage, all of the negatives, like all of the things that are going to be carried into my future relationships, like that's not me anymore.
	So that it shouldn't even like enter into the equation.
	Like that's not going to have any bearing on our relationship.
	Like all of my past sexual experiences.
	If it has a bearing on your relationship, that's a personal choice.
	Like if you're triggered by the fact that a girl that you marry has had ex-sexual partners, that's your choice to be triggered by that.
	So it's, yes, it's a choice, but it's also an objective fact.
	Like there are physical, emotional, like spiritual ramifications for the choices you make, regardless if you want to acknowledge it or not.
	Not saying you don't acknowledge it, but a lot of people, they have this very phrase I'm trying to look for.
	It's instant gratification and then no, oh gosh.
	I feel like what you're speaking to is bypassing.
	So like someone who hasn't integrated their experience and is bypassing like, oh yeah, like whatever I did that versus someone who's done the healing work and who's been able to come into a space of understanding like God's value, like how God values them.
	And then also someone who's been able to just own their experience.
	I remembered the word.
	So having all of these things in your life that are going to damage future relationships, but refusing to take accountability for them.
	That's bypassing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So refusing to take accountability for those things that have happened.
	Like I have had relationships where I'm starting to talk to a girl and she'll like, okay, this is a decent looking dude, like green flags.
	And then all of a sudden I'll bring something up that I'm like, I have a strong opinion about.
	And I'll be like, these are my, like, this is what I'm looking for in a wife.
	This is like, I want to be her to be a mother, all these things.
	And then the conversation will start to come up where it's, okay, I understand this person has a past and I want to communicate to them.
	That's not a deal breaker.
	I want to understand where you're coming from.
	Let's work through that together.
	And a lot of girls are turned off by that.
	Really?
	It's just because it's not the one that's for you.
	Yeah, I totally agree.
	I agree.
	So I would say that a lot of girls are turned off by that because they don't want to be accountable for what they've done.
	And they don't want to go through the emotional and relationship work to be able to work through that.
	Yeah.
	And to develop a good, healthy relationship.
	Yeah.
	And you should make them feel that way.
	And I know some guys, they are turned on by the fact that I've been with other men.
	They are turned on by the fact that I'm experienced.
	I know men that are turned on, like, they want other men to want me.
	Do you know you have got guys like that?
	And they're not necessarily clients.
	I've just met guys out on the dating beat.
	You know, everybody ticks to a different person.
	Everyone likes a desirable partner.
	And when you are with somebody who is desirable, you then feel more desired.
	But here, one second.
	There are very few high value that will want these women.
	Not to be confused with high-network men who pay for sex like they pay for parking.
	Anyway, go for it, Annie.
	This is my miracle, but I don't even want to say that because love supersedes all sin.
	And when Christ came, he dissolved that at the cross.
	That blood dropping off that cross when it hit the ground, it made me a virgin in Christ.
	And for my husband to put that ring on my finger right here and tell me that I was beautiful, that I was chosen by him, that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with me, no matter how many men I've been with and how many horrible stories might come up in our relationship and me realizing, yes, those are horrible stories, but you are my pillow.
	Yeah.
	Because you are the man of God that I chose in Christ that sees me as a virgin in your eyes.
	And see, his eyes are redeemed because he really believes what Jesus did.
	And when he looks at me, I'm in that white wedding dress like Billy says.
	Nice day for a white wedding baby.
	Can I ask you guys a question?
	What do you think that Christ thinks about the extraterrestrials?
	Oh, I want to ask you.
	What do you think that Christ thinks about that?
	He loves them.
	We can get to that later.
	I want to ask you.
	I'm not sure about that.
	I just call that in the Bible.
	Like, so as you started your marriage with, what was his name again, Oz?
	Oz.
	Yes, as you started with your marriage with Oz, like, did you have to, like, how was the relationship work that needed to be done?
	Like, so was there baggage from the experience you had as a sex worker?
	Like, how was that unpacked in your relationship?
	Was it difficult?
	Like, what did that look like?
	Oh, what does it look like?
	Yeah, what does it look like?
	Is it still an ongoing struggle?
	It's every single, and today I was listening to one of my friends, Victor Marks.
	I'm going to give a shout out to Victor Marks.
	He had a very bad childhood and he had a lot of trauma.
	And one of the things that was done to him as a child was there was a gun put to his head and it was click, click, click, rush and roulette.
	So I had one of my exes do that to me.
	Actually, two, but one in particular quite frequently did that to me.
	And he would spin the chamber.
	So I got triggered and I started crying.
	But here he comes over on the other side of the hotel room to hug me and say, it's okay.
	Just, I mean, letting me cry in that space because I forgot about that memory and specifics.
	So it's a daily thing, but it's not unmanageable.
	This is the point I was trying to make.
	He loves me enough to do that.
	To be that man like Hosea was ordered to marry Gomer.
	Yep.
	Even though she wasn't.
	He was a beautiful name in the Bible, Gomer.
	Gomer.
	As a woman.
	She was his servant.
	Yeah, I agree.
	He freed her.
	So that's something that it is important to recognize.
	Yes, there is forgiveness offered by Christ, but it doesn't absolve.
	I mean, so yes, it absolves the responsibility of your sin, but it doesn't erase the ramifications.
	Like the work that you have to do.
	It doesn't erase like the issues that it's going to bring up in your life.
	I'm going to speak to that.
	Don't forget, because I want to say this because don't forget what you want.
	I will say it's there.
	That is part of our relationship magic.
	And I should say love and beauty and awesomeness and incredibleness is the fact that we are together because he loves me because of my past too.
	He married my past.
	Yeah.
	And my future and my current status.
	So it makes him love me deeper and it bonds us closer.
	I can't explain it.
	It's supernatural.
	It is so supernatural.
	And I love it that he loves me enough to deal with me.
	And I deal with him because he's got trauma too.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, he's a sinful man.
	He's going to bring stuff to the table that is not ideal.
	But I guess as we're speaking to the audience, like there's not, not everyone who's watching this is going to be like, I'm a sex worker and that's going to enrich my future marriage.
	Yeah.
	Like, so sitting here, what's your message to people watching?
	Like, should I seek after a sinful lifestyle so I might have a rich marriage in the future?
	Or is it I need to obey the word of God and like honor what he commands me?
	And that will set me up for a healthier relationship in the future.
	I think whoever's watching needs to first figure out why are they seeking a relationship in the first place and love themselves first.
	Yeah.
	First and foremost, but realize, hey, who created me?
	Oh, if they're an atheist or if they believe in God, figure out what and who they are.
	And for me, as a tiny little girl, somewhere deep down in my soul, I knew I was created by someone bigger than me.
	And that's what settled me on my OD date.
	I mean, and I don't want to force anyone to believe what I believe at this table or anywhere on the internet.
	But what I know is I have peace now.
	I have joy.
	I have the best life that I could have.
	If I had not lived that lifestyle, I don't know if I would be where I'm at right now.
	But I do know this.
	Period.
	I have the wisdom of a thousand years.
	And when Christ comes to rule with us for a thousand, I'm going to be like, I got you.
	Not bragging about myself.
	This has gotten a good idea.
	No, we all feel love with him.
	We get it inside of him.
	And I love all of you here because all of you have been through something, including the men.
	And we all are hurting, but we're also feeling the love and the healing from it as well.
	Yeah.
	I got some.
	Being a human.
	Ask the questions, Rob.
	You have a son.
	And we'll talk later.
	You have.
	I have children inherited, three children inherited with my husband.
	Kids.
	I have a daughter.
	If you ever have sons or if you do have a son, would you want your son to see a prostitute?
	Why not?
	I wouldn't have.
	My son has.
	Your son has.
	He did see an SP.
	He didn't see you, did he?
	So that might be that's rude.
	Take it back.
	Do it taste back.
	Especially before the show started, like what not to talk about.
	Sweet home Alabama button.
	I think incest is actually on the table.
	Did he with that?
	Did he do his mother?
	Like, did he talk to you before?
	Sometimes he talk to you before.
	Like, hey, I think I'm going to do this.
	Oh, he did talk to you before.
	How did that conversation go?
	I just discussed that there's a way to do it.
	And I advocated that he would see somebody at the legal brothel and make an appointment if that's what he wanted to do.
	And he was in a relationship for a high school sweetie for years and years and years.
	And then they broke up.
	And he said, I think I'd like to go, you know, see a companion.
	And he did.
	And he said, well, it was fun, but okay, over it.
	And he goes, I'm kind of a relationship kind of guy.
	And I want to just get on with it and work.
	And he wants kids because, so I had an art studio for several years.
	And he managed it.
	And he worked, and we worked with kids and we did art parties.
	And he loves kids.
	And so he's like, you know, eventually I'd like to be a father.
	And I'm kind of a one-person kind of guy.
	And that was an interesting experience.
	But I've taught him to respect women, period.
	Whether, you know, under any circumstances.
	And I've taught him about the courtesan and the history of the courtesan.
	And we used to be king shit back in the day.
	We used to be at the top of the totem pole.
	And why that dynamic has changed?
	It's concubines.
	It's misogyny.
	Misogyny.
	It's men wanting to be in control.
	Well, that's even what they tried labeling her a prostitute.
	Well, they had the concubines, the kings.
	What specifically is misogyny?
	What are you talking about?
	Like this guy over here, man explaining to us that we're all sinners and stuff, and he's a virgin, and he's out of relationship.
	Wouldn't he be the perfect person to call you sinners?
	I guess he's not a hypocrite.
	Nathan, you're a virgin?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Don't you love me?
	I didn't know that.
	Oh, no, I'm shocked.
	I didn't know.
	I love it.
	Not a born-again virgin either.
	That's really, really cool.
	It's beautiful.
	I think it's beautiful.
	Yeah, I know.
	I think it's all good.
	Don't tell me what to do.
	Don't tell me what you think is best for me.
	You know, I just, it's not for me.
	Why is he a misogynist, though?
	Why is he a misogynist?
	I don't need somebody coming on this panel saying that we shouldn't be doing what we're doing.
	I thought, you know, like this is a very sex-positive group of ladies.
	And what we do is very empowering.
	And what we provide is very positive.
	And I have provided a lot of amazing experiences for couples and men alike.
	And the relationships that I've cultivated have been very, very amazing on both ends.
	What they do for me.
	What specifically did he say that you object to?
	I just feel like just, yeah, I mean, I'm not even down with like the biblical stuff.
	And it's just, it's not, yeah.
	Okay.
	But so what specifically did he say that was misogynistic?
	I just feel like I'm not a sinner.
	I'm not sinning by doing my job.
	By being a provider.
	And that's something that you've even stayed.
	Yeah.
	And you are a godly woman.
	You are very spiritual.
	I don't think that it's sinning.
	I think it's a lot of fun.
	Well, isn't premarital so sinning?
	Yeah, 100%.
	But that's an that's Philip says that.
	I'm sorry, I don't believe that.
	I can't believe it in the Bible horsepocky.
	The Bible is a there are aliens on this planet at this point, guys.
	We're seeing you.
	We're seeing you have all the aliens come from.
	Where is this hat?
	Come on.
	And the scriptures that I busted out on Candace, she couldn't.
	Did an alien probe you?
	They made no sense.
	They were so crazy.
	And she just said, well, I could give you a Bible lesson if you'd like one.
	And she's like cherry picking.
	And what about all the other religions way back?
	Were you abducted?
	Did an alien abduction?
	Take world religion in college.
	Because guess what?
	There's a gazillion other religions that came well before Christianity.
	Yeah.
	So don't sit there and act all freaking high and mighty like you know it all and you got it all figured out because you don't have it figured out.
	I'm curious about the alien experience.
	You don't have to probe.
	Is there not those guys?
	Why are you following me like you think going back to the ancient Bible?
	Olivia Bentley, Olivia Bentley, confirm or deny, was there an alien probing?
	This is the meeting.
	Congress or on me.
	You talked there was an alien.
	You said there's aliens.
	There are aliens.
	Have you a client?
	Do you have a client that's an alien?
	You don't know?
	We're all aliens.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Wait, what?
	I don't know.
	What do you mean you don't know?
	I don't think so.
	Are you not able to.
	Was there a probing?
	I believe that there are aliens.
	I think we know.
	Congress is already talking about it.
	They've already confessed.
	Like, we know that they exist.
	I saw UFOs.
	Doesn't actually directly conflict with the Bible of ancient years.
	And I'm not saying I'm very spiritual.
	I do believe that when you die, there's something else.
	And that's very great.
	That's very positive.
	Speaking of this, this is something like it is.
	What is the religious, the Christian view on extraterrestrial life forms?
	Yeah, that's a fair question.
	Actually, so interesting you bring this up.
	The person who brought all of this into the public eye is the lead singer of Blink 182.
	Oh, yeah.
	And so I'm a Blink fan.
	Anyway.
	I love them.
	I know a lot of people.
	Blink is back in the field, by the way.
	I know people personally.
	Oh, please.
	Really good friends that are that work.
	I got tickets to go see them this coming year.
	But I mean, I'm talking about people that interact with real aliens.
	So he, and this is kind of like, I agree with him on this.
	He doesn't think that it is interplanetary.
	Like, they don't come from very far away.
	It's interdimensional.
	So how we see this in the Bible is there is a spiritual war that is happening that we can't see.
	There are spiritual forces that we cannot see.
	There are.
	So there's a story.
	I can't remember the prophet.
	Ezekiel.
	Is it the lion that was in the world?
	I think Ezekiel, yeah.
	So chariots of fire.
	Chariots of fire.
	Yeah, so exactly.
	Yeah.
	So he's, there is an army surrounding the city, and people are like, how are we going to defeat them?
	What's going to happen?
	And he says, don't worry, God is going to protect us.
	And he can see this massive spiritual army of angels ready to destroy the army surrounding the city.
	And people can't think about that.
	What do you think about that?
	So there are spiritual forces that we can't see.
	No, this sounds like anime now.
	We got to stop for a second.
	This is the Genesis 17 here.
	This is.
	Okay, so you asked me to do that.
	And this sounds really fantastic.
	In the Bible, is it talking about invisible?
	I feel like we've straightened the silly face.
	Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Hold up, hold up, hold up.
	Okay, so we started talking about.
	Oh, oh, I love the X-Files.
	Please continue this.
	So we started talking about how aliens were interdimensional, and you guys were all for that.
	The instant I said Bible, that's when it became like, I don't believe anything you're saying, even though it's a story in the Bible.
	It's the prophet Ezekiel.
	Anyway, so you're asking me, you're asking me how.
	Quote it.
	No, quote the exact word for word where it says about the invisible.
	Oh my gosh.
	Let's bring it back.
	We're going to, you know, listen, aliens, maybe they exist.
	I am stray away from the alien conversation.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So like you, you ask for what the Bible says about this.
	I gave what the Bible says about this.
	And then you give me crap for saying that.
	But those are the words in the Bible invisible.
	Like the word alien is in the Bible.
	It says celestial.
	Celestial kingdom.
	I mean, we're spending a lot of time.
	So let's move on.
	Let's move on.
	Let's get back to reference to CSA.
	Why am I misogynist?
	Most of us.
	Hold on.
	Olivia, you said that he's misogynistic.
	Yeah.
	First off, how do you define misogynistic?
	I don't think he dislikes women, but I find him naive.
	Naive about the world and life.
	And you haven't even lived it.
	He's lived.
	Do you know how much he fucking benches?
	How much?
	He's dead.
	I actually just competed.
	I totaled.
	I'll tell you after.
	Oh, great.
	No, I wouldn't TTS tonight.
	But what the fuck is going on?
	Dating show, Ryan.
	Right?
	Why full hooker panel teaches nothing about dating?
	I date.
	Born dates.
	I date.
	Yeah.
	It doesn't work out, but I date.
	Your modest Jacama thinks.
	Yeah, no, we're talking about the Bible.
	We're not talking about dating.
	And we're not talking about the provided to our customers.
	I thought this was going to be like a sex work.
	Yeah.
	I date all that.
	You're trying to say Bible versus.
	Well, the thing is, like you asked me where it says that.
	I'm going to tell you.
	Like, we're having a respectable conversation.
	You ask me a question, I'm going to give you an answer.
	So, yeah, but to go on how much I lift, I have a 775 total.
	I just competed on Sunday.
	Dang.
	775 kilogram total.
	So it's a 7 or a 573 squat, a 419 bench, and then a 716 deadlift.
	That's good.
	I'm a lifter.
	She lifts.
	You want to say, yeah.
	Common ground.
	Start talking about your lives.
	Yeah, we can get down to that.
	You're the live one.
	Oh, Lord.
	Totally.
	We all can live together.
	Okay, okay.
	Sure.
	Yes.
	And just a reminder, let's try to just do one microphone at a time, guys.
	You said he was misogynistic.
	First, I just want to ask, how do you define the situation?
	Well, I wouldn't say, okay, can I take it back?
	How do you define misogyny?
	How do you define misogyny?
	Well, okay, I think he's a mansplainer.
	How about that?
	That's what does that mean?
	You're just telling us, like, how you, you know, I feel like it's mansplaining.
	I think it's like, I feel like I'm being mansplained too.
	I'm 46 years old, and I've lived a lifetime and I've been around the world and back, and I'm still very happy in my decision as a situation.
	I feel like you guys have been woman splitting to me the whole night because you're telling me you don't understand how I feel.
	You have no idea what you're talking about.
	Like, We can't have a honest conversation if people are going to say, you have no idea what you're talking about because of this thing you can't control, your age.
	Like, when I can, I can do a bunch of reading.
	So, I know what the Bible says, but I don't just read the Bible.
	I have done my research in history.
	I am an engineer, so mathematics and science are important to me.
	And I say they point me to God.
	They point me to order, that there is a design.
	So, it's not like I'm an idiot.
	I'm 27 years old, yeah, so I'm not the oldest person in the world.
	You were born yesterday.
	Yeah, I wasn't born yesterday.
	And like, I've dealt with hardship in my life.
	Yeah, I lived, I've lived overseas.
	I don't know if any of you have, but I probably have that most over most of you.
	Where?
	So, I'm Japan.
	Yeah, so yeah, so I lived in North Africa.
	I lived in a virtual country.
	I'm South African.
	Well, okay.
	That's awesome.
	So, but like, we have to have an honest conversation where we're not saying that like because you are not this, your voice doesn't matter.
	So, because you're not, you're only 27, it doesn't matter what you say.
	No, no, I just be open.
	That is your truth.
	That is your life.
	Like, like, like you believe in the Bible and you believe that you should be a virgin, and those are your beliefs.
	But I was told that this was going to be a panel that was concentrated on sex work, just predominantly sex workers talking about sex work and sharing our experiences in the industry.
	And I didn't know we were going to go off the rails on the Bible because that's not really applicable to me.
	So, I'm not going to be able to really identify.
	Sex work isn't really applicable to me, but I can still talk about it.
	So, in this case, you called him a misogynist.
	What?
	A mansplainer.
	Then you walked it back to mansplaining.
	Then you walked it back to mansplaining.
	Well, I think there's, yeah, I don't think that he relates to my perspective.
	And I don't relate to yours.
	And so, how much time are we going to spend on the Bible?
	Okay, so we keep coming back to this.
	We don't need to stay on the Bible, but how is he a misogynist?
	Because I am explaining that.
	Because I keep asking you, I'm trying to move it away from you.
	Well, I feel like, you know, just maybe it's a cultural shift and not necessarily like, it's not saying necessarily you, but just making sex workers out to be sinners and bad and negative.
	My energy, my energy and my light has been very positive.
	And I've given that out to a lot of people and I've received it back.
	And I have a lot of fans and I have a lot of lovers and a lot of supporters.
	And positivity back and forth.
	That is what I've given men and women alike.
	And that's what they've given back to me.
	Encouragement.
	And those are the kinds of things I would think that, you know, as Christians, that's what you guys also talk about, that that's what you're supposed to be doing.
	So I don't need somebody coming in here and bringing some dust-illed ancient Bible and saying that, you know, oh, you shouldn't be doing this and this is bad and this is wrong.
	And, you know, maybe for yourself.
	What are you getting at?
	So what are you getting at here?
	What's the point here?
	So like all I'm getting from this is like you like I'm not going to listen to you because I disagree with like I disagree with your point of view.
	Therefore, you have no merit in this conversation because I can't relate to it whatsoever.
	Like I'm a human being.
	Like I have had my life experience.
	I've lived in multiple countries.
	Yes, I may believe in the Bible, but like I can also bring like, okay, pieces of evidence and like societally viewable interactions with people.
	Pieces of evidence.
	Yeah.
	Bring it.
	About what you said you know, what are you getting pieces of evidence about you said you wanted to move off from the Bible, but you keep bringing it back to the Bible.
	I've asked you, now I've tried to move the conversation to asking you, how do you define misogyny?
	Because that's a word that you used, and I'm trying to.
	So I think there is an interesting thing that happens.
	I think that at some point, I think that misogyny came into play that made the shift from the courtesan who historically was at the top of the totem pole.
	They were the ladies that paid taxes, that owned property while the little woman was at home and she wasn't even allowed to own property and she was toddlerized in our history, if you know the history of women in history.
	And then at some point there was a shift where that became a threatening thing.
	And Alice has a ton of information about that and I haven't heard her speak enough.
	Well, so are you saying that I want to hear some of the sex workers?
	Wait, can you stop interrupting, please?
	Are you saying that it is misogynist that women that are or were in your profession used to be, according to you, revered to some degree, and now they're looked down upon?
	Down upon that.
	How's that misogynistic, though?
	Because a man could also be a prostitute, and I suppose that would be looked down upon also.
	I think there's been a shift in culture where men do hate on women.
	Men do hate.
	Broadly speaking.
	I'm not honest.
	On women that, you know, there's a negative view and a nasty viewpoint towards sex workers that is ignorant.
	How so?
	How is that ignorant?
	What specifically is ignorant?
	The reason you don't get it because you don't understand.
	Don't understand what?
	What do we not understand?
	The service that we are providing for other human beings that is beneficial.
	Well, I think we acknowledge that you exchange sex for money.
	There's no, I do not lack understanding in that regard.
	So what specifically do I or does he not understand?
	It's not just sex.
	Okay, yes, I acknowledge.
	I agree.
	You tried to just summarize it as being sex for money, but that's not what it is.
	That literally shows your misunderstanding of the entire conceptualization of what it is that we provide.
	that is by definition what a prostitute or an escort or whatever term you want to use hooker sex for money that is the are do you disagree that that's the definition of somebody who absolutely yes in the sense that it's not always about sex Many people don't even want to have sex at all.
	Correct.
	Many people sometimes just want to talk, want to process.
	No issue with that.
	Totally acknowledge that there are men.
	Then why are we considering it sinful or problematic or something to judge or look down upon within society?
	Why do we have an issue that there's a profession that women make more money than men?
	The reason we don't have to do that.
	I don't think that's why people have an issue with prostitution.
	Well, then why do you think people have an issue with it?
	Well, I'm sure there's a lot of things.
	I think there is reasons.
	A lot of people suggest, well, evidence shows there's damage, societal damages that happen with prostitution.
	Police cite studies.
	Yeah, societal damage.
	So as civil, we got into this last time, but I know there's statistics about the benefits of legal sex work.
	Let's go, buddy.
	I defended legal sex work, and I will do it again right here, right now.
	I know my numbers, do you?
	I'm not talking about, so yeah, we can talk about numbers.
	You can bring up your numbers.
	Yeah, no, it should be about statistics.
	That is what evidence is.
	Let's talk numbers and let's talk sites and let's talk sources because you're bringing it up.
	What is your evidence?
	Go.
	Am I going to be able to talk?
	Are you just going to go with evidence?
	I have a comment after he's done.
	Why are you stopping?
	We're having you.
	Every time I start talking, there's some interjection.
	Why don't you hear your evidence?
	Yeah, you, Olivia, you have to.
	Stop talking, Olivia.
	You just frequently listen.
	Just pause.
	Just pause.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Okay, so if you look throughout history, so specifically the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire, and the Babylonian Empire, when the pillar of the nuclear family of traditional relationships has been taken out in those societies, that is when they fail.
	Because there is a as children are raised in a normal household with a mother and a father, and it is a not a broken home, you see the flourishing of society.
	And as those things are deteriorated, you start to see societies fail.
	So reference the Babylonian Empire, the Greek Empire, and the Roman Empire.
	So as we see American society, and we can, like, I think we could probably agree here that America is not as healthy as it's not in this healthiest state it's ever been in.
	Like we have serious problems.
	There are serious relationship problems.
	So in the dating marketplace, I don't want to get very political, but in the dating marketplace, it's pretty garbage right now.
	So I think we can agree upon that.
	So like we see that in history, as the relationship between a husband and a wife has been deteriorated and destroyed, we've seen societies fail.
	So as we see the relationship between a husband and a wife be deteriorated in our society, what makes that any different?
	So like, why do we think that we're the exception to the rule?
	Okay, so I'd like to discuss that.
	Yeah, please, please.
	Let's first start with what makes a quality society.
	Would you agree that democracy and a fairness to how we treat people is part of how a society should function?
	I wouldn't say democracy.
	I would say how America was designed to run as a republic.
	So not a pure democracy.
	No, no, we're not talking about a paracra.
	I wanted to talk about specifically when we talk about our very first historical piece of evidence that we ever have in regards to legislation, how society should run and operate.
	What kinds of things do you think were in that document?
	So I think America is the most successful country to ensure that.
	No, no, no.
	We're talking about this text.
	I have not read Hammurabi's code.
	Okay, so in Hammurabi's code, it actually specifically speaks as to how sex workers should be treated very early on in the text.
	In our earliest form of society, sex workers were there at the beginning of society as a structural support within society.
	So what major power in the world right now bases their society on Hammurabi's code?
	Again, you were talking about history here.
	You brought out three historical examples of society.
	So let's talk about those historical things.
	Sex work has been with us since the dawn of time.
	It's something that isn't going to go anywhere.
	We have historical evidence of it all throughout history, through every civilization, all throughout the globe, including in the modern day world.
	You can't say that sex work is the reason why society crumbles.
	I'm not saying it's the only reason.
	I'm saying it's a reason at all because it exists in every society at the beginning of societies, including the beginning of this society.
	How do you think people were motivated to go out to the wild, wild west?
	It was the women who ran and operated brothels right there, literally in Nevada.
	Many of the problems.
	You're saying the American expansion into the West is because of prostitution?
	It was encouraged by it.
	It was a motivating fire for men to go out to the frontier.
	It was a perk, genuinely and truly.
	It was a perk.
	They could get gold.
	And what did they do with their gold?
	There was only so many things that were available in these towns.
	And one of those things that were available that was Western and expansion was due to prostitution.
	Not only that, we were consulted upon by the people in the town when it came to how the town is.
	That's a hot take.
	I'm not exasperated.
	It's not a hot take.
	It's absolutely fact.
	It's a true history fact.
	And tell them about the madam that took care of all the guys that were mining the gold and got sick.
	What?
	Yes.
	Oh, my goodness.
	She was in the brothels.
	Yes.
	Brothels converted into hospitals at certain points throughout history.
	By definition, arsonists trying to spin it is delusional.
	At best, you're likely a lie you tell yourself.
	See, this is a misogynist right now.
	I'm trying to stay the old book over anything you have to say.
	Grid one motorsports for you.
	Olivia says that you're a misogynist.
	I have a question.
	I have a question.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	Yeah, yeah, because I don't know what's going on with the TTS.
	I'll fix it for next show.
	You used the word misogynist again.
	What is a misogynist?
	Oh, this is, I'll re-trigger, I'll re-trigger it.
	Sorry, Doc.
	I'll re-trigger it in a sec.
	What's a misogynist?
	How do you define misogyny?
	I would say that anybody that I would say that like men that diss and hate women for their being.
	It's men.
	Could a woman be a misogynist?
	Potentially.
	Potentially.
	Yeah, I guess like against men.
	Yeah, against women too.
	Actually, there's female and there's femmes.
	Yeah, there is.
	Fem cells?
	Yeah, there is.
	Hold on, let me let this one come.
	Breakdown of the family as results in decline in mental and physical health.
	Thank you, Doc, for the one source.
	Okay.
	I have a very important statement.
	Make your statement.
	Okay, here's a statement.
	Make my statement.
	I don't know necessarily if you know, I don't have the stats or whatever, but if prostitution behind closed doors that's legal, I don't believe that that can contribute to the breakdown of society.
	But you know what I do believe that can break down?
	Oh, God.
	One second.
	I've never heard a person say that Americans expanded West to get their Johnson.
	And that reason is due to economics and land ownership.
	I've never heard that.
	So, anyways, so.
	Wait, do you want to respond to Bender the Offender?
	Sure, I'll have to.
	You said that Westward movement in the United States was among the people.
	Did you have it muted now?
	What is going on?
	Just let us speak.
	Do you like slavery?
	No.
	What?
	Absolutely not.
	Tony West does.
	Thanks to Candace.
	No.
	So, okay, so anyway, this is what I think is contributing to the breakdown of society.
	The other day online, I had posted a post on Twitter because I was extremely mad.
	You know, if I was born into like a super like wealthy situation, I might have had an easier time becoming a family entertainer, like in my lifetime.
	I definitely might have gotten a better time.
	But the other day, I was scrolling, and all of a sudden, I see this chick who obviously has an OnlyFans, looks young, you know, like probably 20.
	She is, there's piñatas in a Latin grocery store, kids in the background.
	She is lifting her skirt up in, but what?
	The piñatas were in the background.
	She's lifting up with a thong.
	And I was like, dude, I was like, I posted and I said, I'm sick of seeing this.
	I said, this is so disturbing.
	I was like, look, if you got OnlyFans, do it in your house.
	There are people defending her.
	And I was like, you are literally warped.
	Like, seriously, like, it's better when it's done behind closed doors, but literally that.
	And I see, I saw this other lady and this other lady in honey burdette lingerie on a like a little like, you know, this airport little tram trolley things.
	They weren't going to the airport, but they went on there to get content.
	And kids and families were there and they were all like almost ass naked.
	And I'm like, this is disturbing.
	So OnlyFans, I feel like, yeah, not for everybody.
	You know, it's, it's negative, but public OnlyFans to get shock value content, that's what's ruining society.
	And I believe those people should be ticketed.
	Yeah.
	Arrested them all as OnlyFans.
	For sure.
	Oh, Nick.
	Tagging, that is against me.
	I did not see it.
	It's actually against OnlyFans terms of service.
	It's a CTS monsterness on everything.
	It's actually against OnlyFans terms of service.
	You cannot share true public content on OnlyFans.
	You have to tag everybody in the background.
	Friends, porn is not real.
	When you see somebody like in the grocery store, I promise you that is a set.
	There are sets for all of you.
	No, this one wasn't a set.
	I know.
	But that competition isn't a lot of people.
	They didn't even call it.
	That's the problem.
	It's the difference between the content creators who do not know any better versus the professionals.
	Again, we're going back to professional sex workers.
	Correct.
	Yeah, professional.
	Porn stars fall under the umbrella of sex work.
	And it's a lot of fun.
	I do want to come back.
	One of these chats came in.
	I think it was Benjamin the Effender.
	Western expansion.
	So manifest destiny.
	That's a term I learned in manifest sex.
	You think it was because of that.
	Let me read a couple chats.
	It's part of the Western culture.
	Yo, just kidding, Brian.
	I get it.
	When you pick up chicks from the streets, of course, you're bound to end up with these kinds of guests.
	On the right, cool to see Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy had a kid.
	What?
	Kermit?
	I'm not sure.
	Who's very green?
	No one's doing green.
	All right, we have Doc Vanablis.
	Mason has a better understanding of the sanctity of relationships at 27 than you middle-aged sex workers.
	His words, not mine.
	Don't shoot the messenger here.
	Stop dismissing him as youthful.
	He has given you more respect than you deserve.
	I said he was a real one.
	Lauren, Lauren.
	Real Doc Nizz is real.
	Sorry I hate it.
	I roughed you up a little bit.
	No, no, it's like my good fellow.
	It's all good.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, like, I don't take arguments personally.
	A lot of people have that.
	They can't do that.
	They cannot separate the conversation from how they think the other person feels about them.
	Yeah.
	So like if I'm saying stuff that you don't personally agree with, like most people I talk to, they're going to be like, you hate me as a person because you disagree with me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's, it destroys conversations.
	I should be able to have, like, if I make a good point, I want you to be able to say, okay, that's a good point.
	I'm going to mold this over.
	I'm going to think about it because I know this person doesn't hate me.
	And if you make a good point, I want to be able to mold that over, think about it and figure out, okay, like maybe in a day or two, I'll be like, oh, I should have said this about that.
	And it frames me like better as a person because I'm more intellectual.
	I'm thinking about things.
	Maybe I'll go read on the topic.
	No, you're you are more than your beliefs in the same way that we are more than just our professions.
	We are all people at the end of the day.
	And I think it's important that everybody has a certain level of baseline respect for each other, period.
	Yeah, that was beautiful.
	No, I agree with that.
	Like, I know you guys are not just your profession.
	I mean, like, you haven't been practicing your profession at the table right now.
	So, obviously, there is an area where that's not part of what you're doing.
	Abdul?
	Yeah.
	Get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Oh, yeah.
	All right.
	Get the rocks.
	Get the rocks, Abdul.
	Like, to stone us.
	It's about the woman.
	The woman's not going to be able to do that.
	Yo, Doc Vanablis, Olivia, I watched the Candace interview.
	She graciously gave you a platform.
	She did not have to.
	Were you expecting a puff piece?
	You are an ungrateful and prideful Demamonde?
	Demoma Monde.
	Demamonde.
	I don't know.
	Confirm and deny.
	Are you a Demamonde?
	I'm not sure what that is, but I just know that the producer said we were going to have an Oxford debate on the decriminalization of sex work, yay or nay.
	And I walked into a gotcha interview where they did the wrong background check on the wrong person.
	And she started out in the interview with, your son doesn't even live with you.
	He lives in another state.
	And went at me and talked about my son and went on a personal angle and tried to put me on the spot and kept me in defense the whole entire time when we were supposed to talk about yay or nay.
	An Oxford debate.
	Do you know what that is?
	It's when somebody studied their signs, their side, they do their due diligence, and then the other person does their due diligence and they do their research because I was in varsity debate in high school.
	And then you come together and you debate the evidence.
	Evidence.
	And she had none.
	Why did you point to him?
	Why did you, why did you?
	Because he has none either.
	But he's got a lot of people.
	I did varsity debate in high school as well.
	Actually, sorry for the point.
	No, no, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I'll lift with you any day.
	Perfect.
	Weight lift.
	You have very good value.
	I'll lift it up.
	You got good vascularity, by the way.
	Thank you.
	Can we see a double buy?
	See the double buy.
	Wait, Nick, put it.
	Nick, hello.
	I work on the shoulder.
	Oh, tries.
	Let's do shoulders.
	I don't know.
	I'm looking a little.
	Oh, my God.
	Work.
	Okay, baby.
	All right, let me get into some.
	I'm going to get into.
	Oh, wait, we've got two more chats.
	I'll get into my notes here.
	Oh, let's do Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv.
	Huh?
	Turn for a monster.
	Turn for monster, remember?
	Yeah, I know, but let me go to, let me shout out to Twitch people.
	Hello?
	Yo, Aurora, thing for the Prime, Spectre, thing for the Prime, Nostalgia, thing for the Prime.
	Uber thing for the Prime.
	Tay, thing for the Tier 1.
	Quick, thing for the Prime.
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	We have Conan19.
	And he is like the role reversal of the Me So Horny, me love you long time in full metal jacket.
	I've seen that movie.
	Full metal jacket.
	I'm not sure what that's in that.
	Hey Solja.
	Yeah.
	All right, we have Conan 19.
	Question for the panel.
	Do you have clients that don't want to have sex?
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yes.
	All the time.
	Currently.
	And there's lots of people who can't have sex either.
	Let's not forget about the fact that not everybody physically can have sex.
	Forget about that.
	Which I thought that when we were told we were going to come on here, we were supposed to bring on like our most like wild fun date.
	That's that wasn't the talking points that we were told to bring onto the show.
	Oh, so where's that?
	I got my list here, but you keep accusing him of misogyny.
	Olivia, I'm sorry.
	Well, man's planning, maybe a little, but yeah, man's planning or something.
	Man explaining.
	There's been some woman's planning going on as well.
	Yeah, what do you think about that, Olivia?
	There's been a little woman splitting.
	Maybe we can just like drop the name calling and then just like talk about the issues.
	Yeah.
	We could do that.
	That'd be just like, let's get to the gist.
	Let's get to the meat of the subject.
	Let's get to the meat.
	Yes.
	The meat.
	All right, we got stuff saying that.
	I got grid warrant.
	Pinky, stop crying.
	You got outclassed, which is super easy to do.
	Candace was very soft on you.
	And just like you did here, you played the victim, be better.
	Right.
	Okay, yeah, right.
	She like compared me to what was that guy that got AIDS?
	Oh, Charlie Sheen.
	What was that?
	She's all about false slants and false narratives.
	And that was her direction from the get-go.
	She didn't take the time to get to know me.
	She didn't meet with me before.
	She didn't ask me questions.
	She had, you remind me of Charlie Sheen.
	Really?
	Did she meet him?
	Charlie Sheen, a guy that was like out of control, banging everything but the kitchen sink and contracted AIDS on crack.
	I am a fitness competitor.
	I am sober.
	I've never contracted a thing.
	I've done legalized prostitution very carefully, very responsively.
	I have bought, I have, this hasn't been done nothing but empower me.
	I have assets underneath my belt.
	I put my son through private school.
	This has been very good for me.
	Yeah.
	So to imply, and if you thought that she wasn't going at it by trying to make that slant and compare me to Charlie Sheen, which makes zero sense to not put the idea of disease and addiction and negative false slants in your head, then you're wrong.
	Because she's very calculated.
	This is a woman who married a man who owned Parlor.
	Parlor is an anti-Semitic think tank that brings skinheads together with a bunch of Nazis and then sold it to Kanye West.
	Kanye West is mentally ill.
	Why would you take advantage of a mentally ill man for money?
	I never have in the industry.
	You ain't got the answers, man.
	You ain't got the answers.
	Weren't they friends?
	You ain't got the answers.
	You ain't got the answers.
	I thought Candace and Kanye were friends.
	Yeah, yeah, no, no, she used him to buy Parlor.
	And Parlor went out of business within a year.
	Like, they didn't know it was tanking.
	They get him to buy that.
	That's, oh, what a Christian.
	What a Christian that is.
	I like Candace.
	Yeah, well, Candace is a good person.
	To be fair, like, we don't stand for the slander deal.
	Dare you slander.
	How dare you slander, my friend.
	What is parlor?
	Do you know what parlor is?
	Do you know the business?
	I mean, to be fair, like Candace isn't here to defend herself.
	So, really, why are you doing that?
	And who really cares?
	Let's talk about what we can hear to talk about.
	What?
	Yeah, I wanted to talk about this.
	Let me get this to my question.
	And the benefits.
	Let's give Ryan back a show just for a second.
	Let's suck.
	I'm going to swig his car.
	All right, here, here we go.
	Let me speak.
	I want to speak to the girls that we have.
	All right, let's go to Lauren here.
	You work at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch.
	I do.
	You were, I don't know if you were voted.
	You said you're courtesan of the year.
	I am courtesan of the year.
	Yeah.
	There might have been that.
	Alice was also courtesan of the year, I think, before me.
	Right before me.
	Yeah, for a couple years.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Selena Gorn is.
	Remember when Brian said don't stop.
	Remember when Brian got stuck with LFS girls and got arguing with the Muslim cargo with a brick wall.
	Also, Red Christmas.
	Did you mute it in everywhere?
	Did you mute the TTS monster next year?
	I don't know.
	This is insufferable.
	Go to the video tab.
	Nope, you didn't.
	Sorry, buddy.
	Okay.
	I forgot.
	But yeah, so we were.
	I'm courtesan of the year this year, and Alice was courtesan.
	How many years were you courtesan of the year?
	Many.
	Many, yeah.
	It was like, was it like on and off, or was it like just in a row?
	Oh, no.
	I wait, hold on.
	Let me see.
	She made a million dollars in one year, baby.
	I need to address, I'll just address the Selena thing.
	First off, they're not, do some of you have OF?
	I don't know, but they're not OF girls.
	But I get what you're saying, Selena.
	Here's the actual issue.
	So I tried to switch to trying to book more quote-unquote normal girls not in the S-work industry.
	The issue is, Selena, if you want to come and volunteer your time to try to book people, it's been incredibly like all those shows.
	I don't know if you remember like a month ago where we were just getting like the whole panels would flake.
	And it was like girls who weren't doing OF or whatever.
	The flaking issue, like, because we'll source locally here, it's just insane.
	Even if we offer to pay, we would offer to pay them and they would still flake.
	And typically they'd flake last minute.
	It'd fuck our production.
	The reality is, is if anybody who has qualms with the types of guests we bring on, you're more than welcome to come and volunteer and book women who don't do sex work, don't do OnlyFans.
	Come and volunteer your time.
	You guys can secure guests for us.
	But the reality is it's extremely difficult two times a week to book a full panel of like anywhere from six to ten people.
	So we were dealing with a lot of flakes.
	It was literally, I was about to take another month off because the flaking issue was so such a pain in the ass.
	So it is what it is.
	Like it's really hard to book for the show.
	It's a controversial show.
	Like a fucking college girl or girl who has a professional career, even if we pay them, they don't want to come on or they say they're going to come on and they just flake.
	So it is what it is.
	That's the reality of doing controversial show like this, especially in a very liberal area.
	If we were in Florida, we could probably, probably maneuver it a little better, but it's very hard here in California.
	What is the complaint?
	There's a complaint that I bring on a lot of women who do OnlyFans or who are involved in it's typically OnlyFans girls who predominantly come on the show.
	This is certainly a specialty panel because they're like, well, that's not representative of other women.
	And some of those, look, it's a valid criticism.
	However, the complexity that we've encountered when it comes to booking people is like, if we bring on normal average, like girls who go to the local college here or who work, like the flake, the flake rate is so incredibly high.
	So we have to balance, do we just not put on a show because everybody flaked?
	Like we've had shows, Madison, and I'm sure you can attest to this.
	Like we will have the entire panel flake.
	What?
	Damn.
	The entire panel.
	Literally, that's an hour before the show starts.
	And they'll do it an hour before the show.
	Yeah.
	It's probably just because, you know, I've seen a couple episodes and, you know, sometimes I think that maybe they're like, oh, I think I should do it.
	And they just don't, you know, they're scared.
	They don't have it.
	I think it's how it's marketed a little bit.
	Even their peers.
	Also, kind of like, as a normal girl, like coming on to the show.
	So if you're participating in like OnlyFans sex work, like you're already taking your clothes off, you're doing a great job.
	Sorry that it's duplicated.
	Yo, Vash the Stampede.
	Thank you very much.
	I'm going to fix this in a second.
	Go ahead.
	Anyway, yeah, I think normal girls who send out a message say, hey, I want to come on.
	They don't participate in OnlyFans sex work.
	Because people who participate in OnlyFans and sex work, they're already under extreme public scrutiny.
	Correct.
	You're known as like, okay, you're used to criticism.
	You're used to people saying, like, okay, like, you're a terrible person.
	You have no value.
	Yeah.
	Blah, But a normal girl.
	But a normal girl, like, if they come on the show, it's like, I don't know if I want to.
	So it's like an hour before the show, it's like, oh, this is real.
	Like, start getting.
	I got to start.
	I got to, like, what are the arguments bringing across?
	Like, these people know, like, kind of know what they're talking about.
	People that we do get the quote-unquote normal girls that we get, I feel that are just kind of scared to come on because they'll just like look up the channel and be like, oh, they have a lot of followers.
	It will have gone to the internet.
	Whatever I say is like.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's the same with guys as well.
	Yeah.
	Can I say to your point, though, about what you were just saying?
	Like, that just goes to show, like, sex workers have an extremely strong nervous system.
	And it's like, I feel like we know how to receive a lot of energy.
	Criticism.
	Criticism.
	Whatever it is.
	It's like we know how to receive and metabolize.
	And that's one of the gifts of being a sex worker is that we're intrinsically alchemists.
	Like we know how to practice alchemy.
	We're forced to.
	Yeah, we're forced to.
	We're forced to.
	And I've got cortisol.
	So just to just to your point, high levels, I literally have to do it.
	Disassociation is one of my best gifts that I got to industry because it's the best thing that being an actress.
	But what I will say is also to what she was saying earlier: doctors, lawyers, all of these people who have high-performing jobs also have to have extremely regulated and strong nervous systems in order to show up.
	Selena Gorn is denoting.
	I can see just giving you guffa.
	I still love the show.
	Just giving you guff and stuff.
	Sorry that it's doing this.
	I'm unfortunate.
	But I'm unfortunately in the Midwest.
	Selena, no, it's all good.
	I mean, don't worry about it.
	Appreciate your support.
	Sorry that the TTS is still bugged.
	I'm not sure what the frick is going on with that.
	I need to fix it.
	I'm not sure why.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Your point was trying to.
	So my point is that we're able to leave.
	So what I've realized transitioning, and maybe you could speak to this too.
	Sex work was such a blessing for me because it's taught me how to even run the business that I do right now, which I'm responsible for hundreds of women.
	You know what I mean?
	It's taught me how to legit sustain a business, how to sell.
	It's taught me how to sell.
	Like when I went into my coaching business, at first I was really nervous.
	And I've invested probably over $200,000 in my self-development.
	And I kid you not, I will go into like a sales course and I'm like, oh, this is stripping.
	Oh, this is sex work.
	Like, I've literally learned how to be an entrepreneur through sex work.
	Yeah, I don't disagree with that aspect to it.
	So I have to preface this.
	I'm not saying this as like I want to hurt your feelings.
	This is just what I believe this to be.
	So when I hear that, I hear that sex work has enabled you to destroy your own conscience to where you can't feel guilt anymore.
	No, no, no.
	So, okay.
	And so there are like, it has enabled me to donated 100.
	It's Snick's fault.
	It's Snippy's Suck's fault.
	It's Snippy's Salx's fault.
	It's Snippy's Salk's fault.
	like the fact that it's happening as it's happening is like The comedic effect is appreciated.
	It's Snippy's Salk's fault.
	It's Snick's Nasha.
	I think that it's helped me build my consciousness.
	I think that it's helped me build my consciousness.
	I think it's helped me build my consciousness.
	It's helped me expand my consciousness and become way more empathetic of that as a person.
	Yes.
	Human to human.
	I am much more empathetic as a human.
	I am much more skillful at negotiating and talking with people, relating to people.
	And that's why the wealth management company put me as VP of business growth.
	It is because my prior experience in the industry, working with people and connecting with people.
	It's connected to trust me.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So I'm not saying that you are unable to connect with people.
	I think women do that very well just in general.
	Like, it's women, they move in circles where it's all about feeling that connection, that relationship.
	There's an interesting thing that happens.
	So when you look at little like boys in the schoolyard, they'll tend to play games that have like hierarchical structures, like basketball or football.
	Someone is the captain, someone is the best on the court, and we go to them for like, okay, what are we doing?
	So there's a winner and a loser, and there's like that disparity.
	So it's more about like outcomes and like the differences between each person.
	So women will tend to go to games that are, they're very much more relational.
	There's not a winner, not a loser.
	So in the so little girls, when they'll play like hopscotch or when you're talking about sex workers, like I'm not saying that there's masculine.
	There's no like relational aspect because obviously you're talking to somebody else.
	You are in the room with somebody else.
	But what I am discussing, there's obviously something.
	Now, you can make the argument that it might be societal.
	I would make the argument that it's something ingrained in us that is damaged by participating in sex outside of marriage.
	I have a question about that.
	Yeah, yeah, so you asked the question.
	I do need it.
	Like we're moving on.
	Okay.
	No, Brian, you do your thing.
	Yes.
	Okay, so I think I was going around the table.
	Would you want your son to see prostitutes?
	And you said, yes.
	He did see one, yeah.
	He did see one.
	Responsibly.
	I would say this is when, like, okay, let's say, let's say I had a kid, theoretically, and he was being bullied in school, and he had like kind of like a chip on his shoulder or something, and he's 18, and he's like, you know what?
	No woman ever loved me.
	No ever loved me.
	I said, you know what?
	Let's just get this out of your way.
	You go down to the brothel.
	If he's like, I don't have any money and this is like.
	Wait, can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table?
	Oh, the edge?
	Okay.
	All the way to the edge.
	Like right here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	I'd be like, you know what?
	Birthday, I'll do it.
	You know, let's get this out of your way here.
	And let's get you some new energy in you.
	You pick one.
	You have a good time.
	You be respectful.
	And we're going to move on from that.
	And we're going to get you, you know, as long as you're comfortable with it, but we're going to let's move past this.
	And let's focus on other things that you could be focused on.
	And then, what if he's a completely different person after that?
	He's like, oh, thank God that's over.
	I remember I actually, when I was younger, I was a virgin.
	I was very ashamed of it.
	And so I begged someone to take my virginity.
	You had to beg?
	I did.
	You had to beg?
	Yes.
	Because I was bullied a lot.
	So I had to beg someone to take my virginity.
	And when it was gone, I felt so good about myself because it was better to be looked at as a whore than to be looked at as a loser in my book.
	I felt invisible.
	All of a sudden, after I had had sex with this person, I was visible.
	People knew who I was.
	And I felt so much power.
	And I was bragging about it.
	Yeah, I was bragging about it because I was treated terribly before I was, when I was a virgin, I was treated really bad.
	Because you were a virgin?
	I just loser, nobody will ever touch you or be with you and this and that.
	So a ton of stigma.
	Oh, yeah.
	I always said, oh my gosh, no guy will ever be with me.
	So then I've had a friend, I begged him to take my virginity, and he did.
	And this weight was lifted off my shoulders and I could move on.
	And all of a sudden, the next couple years, I was real popular.
	So wait, just to be clear, so if you're, you said if your son was being bullied.
	If he was 18, if he was 18, I would take him to the brothel.
	I wouldn't like, be like, if he was getting bullied in general or being a little bit more.
	If he had a chip on his shoulder about women and he said like, if only a woman would touch me and love me, and he was 18, I'd be like, well, it's illegal, you're 18 birthday present.
	Mothers are bringing virginity.
	I've had that too, all the time, all the time I've had mothers.
	Would you want your son?
	Yes, absolutely okay.
	Well about you?
	Would you want your son to see prostitutes?
	This is really, really a hard question to be answered, because my first experience I waited for my boyfriend to take my virginity, but prior to him was another man and he was 23.
	I was like 14.
	It wasn't a good situation.
	You can figure out what that is without saying the word.
	But personally, I believe a woman, and yes, I used to be in the sex industry, but because of my perspective on all the women that I serve at Destiny House and Dream House and all the safe houses across the country working with people that have exited the sex industry, I would not prefer this for my son because I would want him to honor a woman in a way.
	way he wouldn't have to pay for her and he would love her enough to marry her first and give him everything he has, because he really does love her 100.
	That's my take.
	Um, I think it's a hard question.
	I, you have a son.
	I have a daughter okay yeah, if you had a son, would you want him to see a prostitute?
	I don't think if his, and I would want him to communicate about it with me and understand his deeper intention and his deeper desire there.
	Okay, so for me it's yes and no seeing.
	Did you have a son?
	I have goat kids.
	they have lots of sex workers Absolutely yes, seeing a sex worker isn't dishonoring a woman.
	It's not dishonorable in any way, shape or form.
	If anything, paying a woman and recognizing the value that she is bringing to the table with her experience, with her knowledge what she is providing in that exchange has value and then honoring that with what is regarded as being valuable within our society, which is money, that's a beautiful thing to do.
	He respects women enough to pay them for their labor, rather than going to a bar, getting a woman drunk, trying to take her home and trick Into having sex when she's only half sober.
	I would never want any child of mine taking advantage of somebody else's child that wasn't sober.
	I would never want somebody to go into a leap, though, because the question is.
	No, that's how most people end up like, oh, I'm a virgin.
	I guess I'm going to just go to a bar and have a one-night stand and lose it.
	That's a bit of a leap.
	So many people are going to be able to do that.
	I'm just trying to understand.
	I'm just trying to follow the logic here.
	So you're saying that if your son didn't go to see a prostitute, that he would take advantage of a drunkenness.
	No.
	I am saying I would much rather a child of mine see a sex worker than choose to lose their virginity by going to a bar and getting somebody drunk and making that choice, which when most men go, oh, I want to lose it.
	I don't know what to do.
	What do men say to other men?
	Oftentimes the advice is, why don't you go to a bar and buy a girl a couple of drinks?
	Like, have you not heard that dating advice from someone?
	Oh, just go to a bar and go lose it.
	Like, I mean, chivalry.
	Yeah, I've heard like guys, that's how they talk.
	Yeah, I'd rather see a man pay for a woman and honor her in that way by acknowledging the value of her work and compensating her fairly for it.
	Also, too, if he's not planning to be with her, then it's best to go to the sex work.
	No, so I think, like, so as a man, like, there, there have been integral things that have happened in my life because I have held myself to this standard, so I'm not going to have sex home marriage.
	So, it automatically weeds out a lot of women because that's what a lot of women want.
	I mean, like, most you could probably agree with me, most women want to have sex before marriage.
	Yeah, so it weeds a lot of those people out.
	I would say there are some key character development things going on in my life that is directly impacted from me not wanting to have sex before marriage.
	So, so let's just take it to somebody.
	No, there's nothing wrong with that.
	That's totally good.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, let's just take it to somebody.
	Maybe they're not waiting for marriage.
	Maybe they're just looking to, they're just looking for a moment.
	They want to lose it.
	Exactly.
	They want to lose it.
	So, I would say that there's probably some key character improvements that need to happen for that person to be attracted, for that man to be attractive to a woman.
	So, by trying to put a band-aid over that problem by saying, hey, let's just go get you a sex worker.
	And, like, we'll just let you be with a woman.
	And that will hopefully fix this issue that you have.
	I think that is a, that's a, it's not a get-rich-quick scheme, but it's like it's a band-aid for a problem that's much larger.
	Maybe he needs to improve himself.
	Maybe he needs to be more of a man.
	Maybe he needs, there are some character development things that need to happen that will be hindered.
	And that's also the mother's responsibility.
	So, I think, like, so as a man, I think that needs to come from the father, not so much the mother.
	Because, like, the father has been through those character development issues.
	Unless the father isn't there.
	Well, so he has been the one.
	Yeah, so ideally the father's there.
	I mean, I think, yeah, that's a huge problem.
	But the father should be the one speaking into their son's lives, saying, okay, you're having this issue that you might want to try to solve this issue very quickly by going to a bar or seeing a sex worker, but there are things that you need to improve in your life to where you will be desirable to a woman.
	Correct.
	Because I do think that, like, example, if let's say, let's say he's like, I'm 18, I'm going to go see a sex worker because, you know, I have this chip on my shoulder.
	Goes and sees him.
	And he's like, let's say he gets the whole nine yards there.
	And, you know, I paid a pretty penny for whatever he did.
	And all of a sudden he comes back home, I'm still unhappy and no one will ever love me.
	I'd be like, you know what?
	You just got a gift from that woman and she gave everything to you, presumably.
	And you're still not happy.
	You're the one that needs to work on yourself.
	I said, you just got a gift.
	You are ungrateful for what you get.
	I'm wondering when you say the father should be a part of that in building that.
	I got a follow-up question here.
	Would you want your daughter's daughter, if you had a daughter, if you have a daughter, to be a prostitute?
	What a silly question.
	No, this is an answer.
	I've answered this question.
	This is such a stereotypical question.
	No, we got to take a timeout here.
	This question is a tired question that people love to ask sex workers as a stereotypical gotcha question.
	It's not a gotcha question.
	I have an answer.
	Why are you asking that?
	Why did you not object?
	You didn't object to me asking the son question.
	Because most people don't ask about, would you want your son to see a sex worker?
	No, legitimately, the majority of people don't ask, would you want your son to see a sex worker and have an elevated conversation about it?
	The conversation around, would you want your daughter to be a sex worker, that's a question that gets tossed around constantly.
	That's like asking a sex worker to do her makeup in the mirror.
	Everybody knows what that looks like.
	Sports donated $100.
	No, that is not how men talk to Thea's sons.
	Men teach sons to be men and respect women and to not consort with 304s.
	Good point.
	Is that how much we're getting paid?
	I know so many men in marriages and are dating materialistic women that are paying out the no's for their relationships.
	I know so many men in marriages and dating relationships where they are paying out the no's.
	Yo, Jay Butler, I think you can't send it with like a bad word or whatever.
	Genital or herpes is not protected by condoms, and all sex workers will contract it on a long enough timeline in the industry.
	This is why they can't test for it in blank.
	You all have it.
	You're filthy.
	I don't have that.
	I have Kaiser, but I don't have a lot of bulletins.
	Kaiser sponsors.
	Kaiser's drinking a lot of money.
	Yeah, in California, but I switched patients.
	Okay, so the question was, and you see, I mean, everything that you said does nothing to refute the question that I asked.
	I'm curious why you're asking it.
	Because everybody wants to refuse to be aware of.
	Oh, your daughter.
	I'm the host of a podcast asking various questions.
	But why does this have to do with our children?
	We are consenting adults choosing to do something with our own careers.
	Why not ask us about our careers and what we are doing because of sex or something?
	And you refuse to give them sports information.
	It's a fair question to ask.
	I can answer that question.
	Your children are part of your life and your mom.
	I have a daughter.
	Nobody wants to talk about their kids at 18.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is a dating talk podcast.
	Dating.
	Generally, I just feel like kids are one of those things that we can do.
	So generally, dating leads to marriage, and then usually marriage leads to kids.
	Not always.
	Come on, let's begin.
	I think it's a gotcha question because it's most likely a no from a lot of people.
	I don't think it has anything to do with.
	Again, and I want to go back to when you said if a girl came to me and talked to me about wanting to be an escort.
	I was there.
	You know, same with my daughter.
	I want to know why.
	I want to understand why.
	And then, yeah, I would educate her on the right way to do it.
	Would you advise your daughter?
	Like, say she came to you and she wanted to get into this line of work.
	Would you guide her away from it?
	Or would you, as you said, try to encourage her to do it?
	I would want to understand, you know, why, what is the motivation?
	Money.
	Let's just say she wants money.
	Oh, then I'll give you money.
	It's like, it's the thing is, you have to understand how people are raised.
	So if a child, like I was not raised in the best household, but I'm choosing to break those chains, those curses, whatever, with my daughter.
	So, my daughter's never going to think, oh, I want to do sex work because she's not being raised in an environment that's breeding that.
	Okay.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, so the question is: what do you want to do?
	I don't want your daughters to be environmental.
	I'm asking you.
	I'm starting with you, and we'll go around this way.
	Go ahead.
	Again, I have goats.
	I have goat kids here.
	I am not a parent, so I do want to lead with that kid.
	This is all very theoretical here.
	So I can't see.
	You're allowed to have an awful lot.
	I don't.
	I only want goats and horses.
	Thank you.
	That could be your answer.
	I don't want kids.
	And if I wanted to have a daughter and she wanted to be a sex worker, sure, she can be a sex worker.
	Thank you.
	This episode: Sex Work is a Blessing of God, Sex Worker Stepping Stone to God.
	My kids wouldn't come up in dating what deep gen crap you peddling Brian.
	Masus's Tiffany would be fired if I came on.
	Okay.
	Hey, you know, we're trying something new.
	You know, we're doing an all-sex worker panel.
	Clickbait, maybe do a little something different.
	They are always a clickbait use.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, there's nothing wrong with doing sex work.
	What makes this career such a problem for people?
	It's like, ooh, what happens if your daughter wants to be, I don't know, in the military?
	I think I'd have more problems with my child wanting to be in the military than I would with them wanting to be a sex worker.
	I'd be more concerned about their safety if they wanted to ride horses professionally for a living.
	I'd be more concerned for their safety if they wanted to be an EMT in a risky area.
	Like, there are far more challenging careers than being a sex worker out there.
	I don't know why it's such a big deal.
	Like, okay, sure, great, be a sex worker.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	I mean, I think you're looking for a yes or no, and it's so much more complex than just like yes or no.
	Like, there's so much more behind it.
	You don't need to give a yes or no, but I'm hoping you can give brief answers.
	My answer is just give the short version if you want to explain.
	And short, it's no.
	Okay.
	And short it's no.
	Somebody who's spent the whole entire time.
	Yeah.
	I would definitely say no because of the experience I have myself and the wonderful, it's been more than 15,000 people we've helped out of sex work that no, no, too dangerous.
	For me, if she came to me when, so I get my Tantra practitioner's certification this upcoming year, and if she said, Mom, I want to be like you, and I like how you're into Tantra, and I like how you, you know, do that at the brothel.
	I like how you are really into healing and having this experience with people.
	I'd say, okay, well, you can go to these retreats.
	You know, I'll pay for you to go to these retreats.
	And if you really enjoy that, there are brothels available for you to work at.
	But if she just says, oh my gosh, mom, I want to make a lot of money like you, and I don't really want to do that.
	That's not my style.
	And I'm just trying to, you know, get money.
	And I'd be like, didn't you learn anything from your mother?
	Like, literally, like, didn't you learn anything from my life?
	Because obviously she would know it.
	Yeah.
	Butler donated $100.
	Only a Western block test can properly diagnose genital herpes.
	Passing the standard herpes test means nothing.
	Sorry, you all definitely have it.
	She's a antibodies equals 12 partners who are infected.
	Filthy, filthy mindset.
	I don't have it.
	I don't have it.
	I literally like.
	Every single show, Jay Butler brings up the term.
	Jay for Jackoff.
	He's a an incel.
	No, no, that's not what I was going to say.
	Absolutely.
	He's a term for a moron.
	No, no, no, no.
	You're not even going to frame from the name calling.
	Let's just play a hypocrite as well under any days.
	Regardless.
	Hey, if you have herpes, you're still a good person.
	I have a hot take on the daughters being sex workers because after just hearing you speak, because the foundation of my work is in Tantra.
	And like I said, I still feel like I'm in sex work.
	It just looks different.
	Okay.
	And I do have a belief that all women are actually sex workers.
	It just, the way that we identify, yep, the way that we identify sex work.
	Wait, hold on.
	All women are sex workers.
	All women are sex workers.
	Let's finish.
	Okay, literally, all women have sexual energy.
	All women work with their sexual energy to create not only life.
	She's giving you a back massage.
	Did you cook today?
	Yes.
	Okay, so you used your sexual energy.
	You used your creative.
	You used to be a personal person.
	I was cooking sexual.
	Because you're looking.
	Well, wait, wait, wait.
	Because you're looking at sexual as like, oh, I'm doing this and I'm like getting turned on.
	Sexual energy is creative life force energy.
	So when you're creating anything, a painting, I'm creating words when you're cooking.
	Like Kundalini.
	Yeah, it's Kundalini.
	So whenever you're creating anything, you're literally using your sacral sexual energy.
	So all people are sexual beings.
	All women use their sexual energy to create.
	Are you saying chefs are sex workers?
	Yeah.
	Chefs are sex workers.
	No, I'm using that as an example, but I'm saying anything that you're creating, you're using this life force energy, your sacral energy.
	It's literally a motor in your body, which I could go into that rabbit hole and I won't.
	I mean, it's a motor center in your body, though.
	I think we also need to be careful too often.
	And there's science behind.
	I'm saying there's one right way to do sex work.
	Sex work takes so many different forms and fashions for so many different people.
	Correct.
	It's really multifaceted.
	I mean, we've all assumed here that we're talking about brothel work.
	Yes, that's why we said no.
	Not a single person has said, what if it was phone sex work?
	Yeah, what if they were a sex therapist?
	What if they were someone who is a certified Tantra practitioner?
	And Tantra is not even about sex.
	Tantra is not even about sex.
	That's the thing.
	There's a small percentage of sexuality.
	You're saying that Madison over there, when she was cooking earlier today.
	That means I'm a sex worker.
	That means that you were working with your sexual energy to create something, to manifest something.
	And that's literally what sex workers do.
	We have an intention.
	We go in, we manifest, we create, and then we have a tangible result, which is money.
	That's our tangible manifestation of the next.
	But you mentioned specifically when she was cooking earlier today.
	How does that relate to that?
	That's an action.
	Okay, so creating.
	I'm creating words right now.
	That's sex work?
	Let me get to it.
	What's the definition?
	We need to define what sex is because it's definitely.
	So I'm talking about using your sexual energy to create.
	And we all use our sexual energy to create.
	We're talking about Tantra.
	It's not even about Tantra.
	It's literally science.
	It's our sacral energy.
	Look up the sacral.
	Look up your sacral energy.
	It's sexual energy.
	Science is life source.
	How do you measure sacral energy?
	It's literally a chakra.
	So how do you measure that?
	I don't know.
	I don't know how we measure that.
	Science energy.
	It needs observation.
	I don't know.
	I bet you we can find it, though.
	Yeah, you can say look it up.
	So if you have done all of this research and you say it's scientific, scientific is measured by the scientific method.
	So you have to be able to observe something and it has to be repeatable and it has to be measured.
	Okay, the chakra system is proven.
	How?
	How did you measure that?
	I don't know how they fucking measure it.
	It's a belief system.
	It's not a belief system.
	It's not scientific.
	So it might be a belief system.
	Like, I can't say you don't believe that.
	There are people's beliefs.
	Everybody has different beliefs.
	We're not here to call people's beliefs into question.
	You called my beliefs into question.
	Nobody said that.
	I don't know if you're not going to be able to do it.
	Nobody's sensing you.
	We all said it.
	We all have to do it.
	See, that's the thing.
	So, like, I can challenge your beliefs.
	I think beliefs should be challenging.
	I'm not a sex worker.
	You're not.
	I'm not saying you are.
	I'm not afraid of working the show, aren't you?
	For all these trolls.
	Our sex, well, that's the thing.
	We're all working with our sexual energy.
	Our sacral is a motor center in our body.
	It's in human design.
	There are souls.
	Nickelodeon donated $100.
	These women that spout this garbage about Titanic sex massages, horoscopes, and dog boards.
	Then sit there and scoff at the Bible.
	Facts, that's facts.
	It's facts.
	I did it.
	I love the Bible.
	I love the Bible.
	I lost that.
	But I'm not talking about all this.
	It's even believed that Mary Magdalene was a tantric priestess and that she was the one.
	Oh, my God.
	Jeremy and Vegas donated $100.
	Brian, stellar job, as always.
	I totally share Mitch's values, but I'd also argue this is one of the most intelligent panels you've had on.
	Annie, love your work.
	Lauren, love your soul.
	Aw.
	Hashtag baking is six work.
	Baking.
	My Mitch.
	That's my name.
	Baking is sex work.
	Speaking of baking, let's eat something.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	Literally.
	My sugar is low.
	I'm like Jeremy in Vegas.
	Okay.
	Don't get me on the merry.
	You can move past that.
	Okay.
	Come on, go down a rabbit hole.
	I can't.
	And I don't have the mental energy right now.
	I just flat out disagree with you that you said everything is everyone.
	Everything is sexual.
	Everything is sex work.
	You got a sex worker right behind you.
	$100.
	You're absolutely right.
	Sex work takes many shapes and forms.
	And they're all FN degenerate.
	Pure degeneracy.
	Pure degeneracy.
	I love that you're explaining science to degenerate, clueless sex workers.
	Sam in school right now.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think we're all in the middle.
	I'm pretty sure that most of us are more intelligent than Selena.
	Selena Gorno.
	Selena.
	Selena, Cornes.
	Cornes.
	Please get the last name.
	We're all doing.
	Please get the last name.
	I think that we conditions to think.
	Like, I want you both to understand.
	I understand yours comes from religion, but I want to hear your hot take on where your conditioned belief that sex is inherently wrong.
	Whoa, No, no, no.
	Sex work.
	Sorry, sex work is inherently wrong.
	I want to hear your belief.
	Like, where did that stem from?
	I think we've already lingered on that for too long as it is.
	If we, time permitting, we can come back to that at the end of the show.
	It's good to fun date.
	No one attended.
	I know my sugar is dropping.
	Oh, you know what?
	Yeah.
	I can describe a fun date.
	Hold on.
	I like what Lauren is saying.
	Let me read this from Dr. Clockwork.
	OF girls agree to come on, then see content and flake.
	They don't want to get crapped on for body count.
	Wife and I would love to come on and debate you.
	Both in adult industry.
	Alice, Amy says hi.
	We miss you.
	And then we do have a TTS coming in here.
	I want to see Adam 22 on this.
	He's been on the show.
	Yeah.
	He was on the show.
	Like a couple months ago.
	Monest Hikima donated $100.
	Sorry, if already discussed.
	Yes or no, Q. Did you grow up with your biological married parents in a single family household?
	Since I'm not a cat, can I not have an opinion on cats?
	Science is truth.
	Yes, well put.
	Well put, Jacama, modest hicama, I think.
	How do you pronounce it?
	Hicama?
	It's hiccama.
	I'm messing it up.
	I'm sorry.
	Oh, by the way, this I'm Pinky is an idiot since.
	Sorry that this fell off.
	I'm not going to be able to trigger it, but it did come up.
	Brian or no, no, no, it says Candace's husband is is Jewish.
	This chick is absolute degenerate.
	Christ is king.
	Oh, I don't, why did he all?
	That was like 30 minutes ago.
	I don't okay.
	I'm not sure it came out for the ghost.
	All right.
	Yep.
	Go look up.
	Super kill.
	Someone said hello name Alice.
	Yeah, she said hello.
	Oh, yeah, Alice.
	Okay, coming back to you, you're a shaman.
	I wish.
	But you're a sex shaman.
	I am a tantra practitioner in training right now.
	But I did go to a sexual shaman retreat.
	I did.
	Did you play Horde or Alliance?
	No, I didn't know how to do that.
	Because you're a shaman, right?
	So do you play like Hoarder Alliance?
	Are we talking like classic Willcraft?
	I don't.
	Do you play that?
	For the class.
	I appreciate that.
	I don't know how to do for the class.
	Because obviously if it's like classic, you can only be shaman on the horde side.
	I guess I could try.
	Did you play troll or orc or tourin?
	Troll.
	I don't think I played any of that.
	Like, I think the attack animations are the best for troll, but I think like PvP, you probably want to go orc because of the 25% stun resistance.
	Or for classic.
	Orcid.
	Orc is pretty good for shaman.
	Like for PvP.
	Because of the stun resist.
	I'm so confused.
	But like, I think troll is, like, has the best like attack and cast animations.
	She does not have the stun resist.
	This is.
	Dave, wait.
	What is happening?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	The shaman.
	But if, like, post-Burning Crusade, right?
	Like, past the Burning Crusade, you can play Shaman on both factors.
	Go Pandas.
	Oh.
	That's her alma.
	Oh.
	We don't talk about anything past wrath.
	Oh, are we going to fight?
	I don't know.
	We don't talk about it.
	We don't talk about anything.
	I am so confused.
	do you wait shit I had a question Oh, this is for all the girls, kind of.
	Maybe I should wait until she's back from the bathroom.
	Do you, when it comes to the work that you guys do, do you consider yourselves artists?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	When you fuck, are you like, yo, I'm fucking Mozart in this shit.
	Yes.
	Class.
	I want to give him 100%.
	And I'm telling you, I am Warhaw.
	Everything.
	Absolutely.
	When I'm with somebody, that's right.
	You are the most impactful artist of our generation.
	I am Shakespeare in the flesh.
	Walt Disney, Nike, Google.
	You guys got that Kanye energy going.
	Yeah.
	No, you're completely artists.
	You've become very highly artists.
	All famous artists, in many cases, based their art off of sex workers.
	Who do you think is in Manette?
	No, Maneth literally painted French prostitutes.
	That is even the fact.
	Have you never seen Olympia?
	Some artists.
	Do you not know who Olympia is?
	Who?
	Olympia.
	The very famous Manet painting.
	Some artists, some artists, new tools.
	Many sex workers period.
	I said all.
	All artists.
	All artists.
	A lot of musical artists are inspired by ladies.
	So many.
	So much art is inspired by the artist.
	I've written songs about sex work.
	No, maybe I disagree.
	I don't think most art is inspired by sex work.
	Perhaps you can make the argument, like, there's a lot of love songs out there.
	They're inspired by love or women.
	Or like Roxanne.
	Sex work.
	I mean, what do you think that one was inspired by?
	Certainly not his truck.
	I don't think.
	Darling Mickey.
	Oh, Jesus.
	What about Darling McKinley?
	But okay, I'm not saying that there is no art out there that isn't influenced or inspired by perhaps a prostitute.
	Every time that Taylor Swift breaks up with a man, we all get a new album.
	It is love.
	That is sex.
	That is her creative energy.
	It is part of the motivation of what drives.
	Y'all are delusional.
	Do you really think if she was not intimately invested in these dudes that you would turn around and produce all these dynamic songs?
	Do you think that what they're doing is not sex work?
	They're going up.
	They're literally dancing and fucking gyrating.
	Who?
	Beyonce, every single female artist.
	Literally, I saw that music.
	You were committed to looking at it from a specific lens, which is fine.
	Like, you're entitled to that.
	But, like, the truth of the world.
	They are definitely portraying themselves as well.
	They're portraying themselves as sexual.
	And that's because, oh, my God.
	The sex selves.
	But it's a sexy sex.
	But because we're all innately sexual fucking sexual beings.
	The earth is a sexual being.
	I see what you're saying.
	Yes, there are certainly certain female musicians that are being sexual to further their from the dawn of time.
	It just literally certain people in the shape of Venus.
	What?
	Even when there was really conservative views, you have to think it like.
	There was women who would like to be able to do it.
	How do you want to wear bowls?
	How do you want women portrayed in society?
	What do you envision?
	Ooh, what should we look like?
	What about you?
	The bowing video.
	I got you.
	I got you.
	Courtney Ramsey just told you.
	So far I've learned, Gordon Ramsey is a sex worker.
	He is a sex worker.
	According.
	Chakras is science.
	The Bible talks about E.T. filling home.
	E.T. filling up.
	What the fuck is this show?
	The whatever.
	The whatever.
	Science.
	Whatever spirit science.
	Olivia, fine.
	You want.
	Yeah.
	Actually, I'll pull up the one sec.
	I like this question.
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	Make it bigger.
	Oh, no.
	Make it bigger.
	Immediately dislike.
	What is it?
	No, I don't.
	I've seen a Japanese girl.
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up, Nick.
	Scroll up.
	I think like a solid bow.
	The culture, the deeper minds, good morning.
	In the culture.
	I am misogynistic.
	Yo, ABCH, thank you for the gift of 20 membership.
	They say the deeper the bow, the bigger the respect, allegedly.
	This is respect.
	She cooked for you and she bowed.
	Just keep watching.
	Olivia, please, please, please.
	Be respectful.
	Hold on.
	Be respectful.
	Wait for, we're going to see the bow again.
	The bow is coming up.
	This is what I'd like.
	I'd like to Korean.
	You could create that.
	Boom.
	Wait for it.
	Boom.
	Fucking bow.
	Huge, huge.
	You could have that.
	I'm telling you, if my wife greeted me that way when I got home, that would be the biggest turn on.
	I would give her the world.
	It's so.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't know anything for that.
	That's already real question here.
	Hold up, though.
	Aren't you not supposed to bow before anybody other than your Lord?
	Is that a part of Christianity?
	Yo, modest.
	Come on.
	Thank you for the gifted.
	What you just showed us was your kink.
	That's not a kink.
	Well, no, legitimately, like sex.
	It's respect as a kink.
	It's submission.
	Respect.
	I don't think that's a good question.
	But also, you could create that.
	Look, you could create that.
	I'm sure you'll meet a beautiful woman.
	Trust me, if I want to bow, I can get a bow.
	You could get a bow.
	I can get a bow.
	You could get a bower.
	I can get a bow.
	You could create that.
	I can get a bow.
	You could get one without asking for.
	I can get a bow.
	Now, Olivia here thinks it's misogynistic, going back to what's...
	That's right.
	You said it was misogynistic.
	Me wanting that, is that misogynistic?
	Well, it's definitely sexist.
	Are you down?
	It's sexist.
	I mean, it's your preference.
	It's your preference.
	How's it sex?
	I mean, if it's bowed, if it's consensual, how's it sexist?
	I have something to say.
	How's it sexist?
	Get ready.
	Come on, Livia.
	Because she has like, no, she's stuck at home.
	She's stuck at home, little woman.
	It's just a limited existence.
	No, but if people are.
	Why is her profession so disgusting to you?
	But your profession is fine.
	Where do you draw that line?
	She has chosen that this is how she wants to live her life.
	She wants to cater to her husband.
	She wants to provide for him.
	She wants to respect him.
	And this is her profession.
	Like, she is training herself to do this well.
	And she does it well.
	She's probably looking at her.
	What is she so terrible about?
	I don't think it's a good idea.
	Her bow is fantastic.
	I don't think it's going to teach their own.
	I don't give a credit for power imbalance in that.
	And that's the reason why someone's going to be able to do it.
	I mean, I don't know.
	What would it do?
	One microphone at a time, please.
	I just wanted to say just the history of the bow.
	Tell us about the history.
	Of what?
	The history of women working and having to seek work.
	And this isn't everyone.
	$100.
	Brian, do you see what genital herpes has done to their neurological function?
	Whoever let these filthy animals out of their cage has put everyone in that room at risk.
	The room at risk?
	It's in the air.
	Can we put people off here or not?
	We don't want to.
	We didn't want to miss this.
	It's getting very entertaining.
	So I'm just spending money to say this, right?
	There's something just really important that I think a lot of people have missed since the dawn of time because of the equality issue.
	The family is a beautiful picture of man-woman children.
	It's absolutely beautiful, and our society is broken down so bad to the fact that man can't find a wife.
	A woman can't find a good husband to provide.
	So she has to go out and make it happen.
	And sometimes that means using her sexuality because she cannot take care of that child that she got impregnated by with someone that left her after he convinced her to sleep with him.
	And now she lost everything because now she has a fatherless child.
	I will say this, Annie.
	So it hurts my heart.
	Very good point.
	I would never allow if my girlfriend or wife bowed to me.
	Never.
	There's no world.
	I call my husband my lord.
	She would ever get to the streets.
	I'd never have masculine energy.
	I want you to be mindful of immediate turn off.
	I want you to be mindful of what every calling your man your lord.
	I was like, immediate ick.
	I'm sorry.
	Immediate.
	This is between him and I.
	It's a personal thing, Alice.
	It's a joke.
	I prefer to be a good person.
	There's this story in the Bible.
	Master's good.
	I like masters.
	It's about Sarah.
	Daddy, I'm not a fan of daddy.
	I don't like daddy.
	Sarah.
	Daddy also, ick.
	Oh, my God.
	Daddy's big ick.
	You know this is true.
	Sarai Abraham.
	So there's the story about him being the father of many nations.
	And she called him her lord.
	And it's just my husband and I laugh about it.
	So sometimes I joke with him, and this is just really just in fun being married.
	He's like, Annie, and I'm like, yes, my lord.
	And he starts laughing.
	Even today.
	Even today, he said, I said, honey, what do you think about me?
	I said that to him today, actually.
	I was getting ready.
	I was curling my hair in the mirror.
	I said, that's cute.
	My lord, do you need anything or something?
	He starts laughing.
	He goes, oh my gosh.
	I go, what?
	He's laughing.
	I go.
	He goes, it's so outdated.
	And I'm like, but now it's fun, my lord.
	What is chivalry that names?
	I want someone to tell me what chivalry is because we've lost it.
	Is he like a count?
	Count.
	Count?
	Nobody knows the count.
	He's a friend of mine, too.
	A viceroy.
	Is he a viceroy?
	Your husband.
	No.
	I don't even know.
	Vassal.
	Are we talking of a vassal state?
	No, what is that?
	You know, there's like lords and then there's vassal lords, you know.
	No.
	I didn't know that this is going to be a rare warden of the north.
	No.
	Is this something to do with like the European like culture?
	Okay.
	Wait, I do want to come back.
	So I asked you guys, do you consider yourselves artistes?
	And then you said yes.
	So another question related to that.
	Do you guys know what a magnum opus is?
	And the ice cream.
	Wow.
	I love you.
	Magnum.
	So magnum opus, it's your like your masterpiece.
	For example, like your life.
	Can you find that one?
	Michelangelo's The Creation of Adam or Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa.
	Like the masterpiece, like their master work.
	Yeah.
	Mona Lisa, Leonardo da Vinci.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Is there one fuck that you guys consider your magnum opus?
	Yeah.
	That you can think of and you're like, yes.
	That was my masterpiece.
	We're all like, hell yeah.
	That was my masterpiece.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I had my daughter.
	Yes, I had one that happened.
	That's a beautiful thing.
	But it was at the ranch.
	It was at the ranch?
	Yes, it was at the ranch.
	Well, like, I mean, like, I guess, well, so he had come in and I didn't know they allowed that.
	Well, he, he, you know, the ranch, they, you know, patron.
	And afterwards, he said, wow, I'm so glad that I connected with a woman.
	He said, I was about to do something really, really stupid.
	Whoa, what the hell?
	And he got, and he said, I'm so happy.
	And that time, I didn't even know what he was thinking, but he said, I was going to do something really bad and really stupid, but this stopped me from doing it.
	And I was like, are you talking like deleting?
	He was going to delete himself?
	I think he was going to go on a rampant.
	Yep.
	That's beautiful.
	But he said, he said, thank you so much.
	He was crying.
	He said, thank you so much.
	He said, women have been treating me bad all my life.
	I honestly came here to prove to myself that women are trash.
	No way.
	Just to be clear.
	Yes.
	Just to be clear.
	You stopped a potential mass shooting with your pussy.
	Yes.
	Wow.
	And I could see that.
	That's the power of the Pulini.
	You've proven it.
	It's a portal to God.
	Yeah, it's sexual.
	Men come to remote God through the feminine.
	That's your Tantra.
	They come to meet God or life source through the feminine.
	He said that.
	That's the basis of Tantra.
	Yeah, he said, I came here as a last resort.
	I wanted to see if someone was going to reject me.
	And if they did, and he picked me and he said, if they did reject me, I would have gone and done it.
	And I was just, and I didn't.
	I took him in and did that.
	Wow.
	Full, you know, full service.
	Everything.
	I have many ideas.
	So that was your masterpiece.
	That was.
	That was.
	Well, it might have been the most impactful.
	Impactful.
	Do you feel when I say masterpiece, I mean like the actual act.
	The fuck.
	I guess that one was.
	The actual fuck.
	It was just like magical.
	Boom.
	It was just like some movie scene shit.
	Oh, like, you know, like fireworks.
	Oh, popping out the pussy.
	I don't know.
	I feel like if a man is, I guess, you know, looking back, if a man's like in love, like, you know, in love with me or he wants me, then, yeah, there's always fireworks, you know?
	I was like, I want that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But, but that was, I would say, the master.
	That was your magnum opus.
	Yeah.
	What about anybody else in the middle?
	Mind with me and my baby dad.
	I met him in the club, which I never, ever, ever gave my number to anyone.
	I met him in the club and got pregnant in two months, and I was in a relationship.
	Yep, and we've been together for seven years.
	Oh, and we created a masterpiece.
	Oh, our daughter.
	Okay, I love her.
	Yeah, it was, it was, um, yeah, I mean, Nick, can you pull up the Mona Lisa, please?
	Yep, that's my Mona Lisa, my baby's been a little bit more than a moment.
	But we were brought together through lust and through the club.
	Oh, wow.
	What is that redoing on the far right there?
	What the fuck?
	I like that one.
	Oh, my gosh.
	It was the Da Vinci.
	She's giving, check out my OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	Lincoln Bis.
	Look at the sketch.
	It doesn't even look like her family.
	I don't know.
	I love it.
	She's like this.
	Oh, well, that's AI.
	They look like they made her a name.
	I thought this is a big one.
	I like the cleavage.
	That's my favorite part of it.
	The tiniest painting I've ever seen.
	No, click the one with the on the far right there.
	I mean, obviously the one Lincoln Buy is still fucking stacked.
	Wow.
	That is impressive.
	I mean, she would do well on OnlyFans, I gotta say.
	Good talk.
	Magnum opus masterpiece.
	Yeah, well, I'll say one that I'm really, I put a lot into foreplay, and men really enjoy foreplay.
	Okay.
	And I was working with a guy, and he has been to brothels over the years.
	He belonged to a club that, like, they come and they'll vote on girls and nominate girls.
	We have this session, and he starts maniacally laughing afterwards.
	And I'm like, what is going on?
	And it was really good.
	I admit I don't agree with sex work.
	However, the headline, women prevents mass shooting with sex is a story I would read.
	Literally.
	Yeah, no, they should.
	So he's laughing maniacally, and I'm like, what is it?
	And he goes, I want to be honest with you.
	I've been struggling with erectile dysfunction for 30 years.
	I've been working with professionals.
	You gave me my first orgasm in 30 years.
	Hashtag healer.
	Yeah.
	And it was just like, holy cow.
	And it was phenomenal.
	There's been moments to.
	30 years.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	But he belongs to.
	He's a Sinboard guy.
	Now they nominate us as courtesans of the year and that stuff.
	But we were talking about how we know, like, when we walk out to the bar and we sit down with somebody who's requested us, and the moment it's on, when you're like, you make eye contact and it's on.
	And you just feel the chemistry.
	And I've had some pretty phenomenal phenomenal sex.
	There was a guy who's like, I've been waiting 120 podcasts to fucking use that.
	Fucking sound.
	I love you have that on immediate dialogue.
	Beautiful.
	You did it real quick, too.
	He's like, oh, there's amazing sex.
	I remember one time I did a threesome for this with these couple.
	It was their anniversary.
	Yeah.
	And I made her squirt.
	And that was amazing.
	I mean, making a woman squirt is, you know, remember how to clock.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, and so because she was squirting, he started coming.
	And he was behind me in Doggy.
	And it was just phenomenal.
	Phenomenal.
	I'll never forget that.
	It was the anniversary.
	And they'll never forget me.
	That's great.
	I love it for you.
	I just had a great visual.
	I'm over here laughing because I'm like, okay.
	We're watching that kind of talk.
	Oh, my heavens.
	Have you had a magnum opus?
	Yes.
	It was outside of sex work, though.
	Okay.
	So it was the night that I gave myself to my husband because we had waited for marriage.
	Oh, that's right.
	Yeah, well, really.
	Let's go into that.
	Alice, what about you?
	We had an In-N Out Burger first.
	You got to follow up an In-N-Out Burger with some more In-N-Out.
	That was good.
	I liked that.
	Okay.
	What about you, Alice?
	Oh, goodness.
	Yes.
	I have definitely had some career highlights there.
	I'm like, that's it.
	This is the moment that I don't think it gets any better than getting paid six figures to take a man through a seven layers of hell fantasy that was scripted over 24 hours with multiple costume changes.
	We're talking fire effects.
	We're talking leathery wings.
	We're talking like soundtracks.
	Like this thing was curated and scripted.
	And when I tell you, all I had to do was put my hand.
	Can you please not do a Roman salute, please?
	On that man's body.
	And he just immediately, boom, came.
	I was like, that's all it took.
	It was just hours upon hours of torture and tease and lead up.
	And I did not have to so much as put my hand around him.
	And he was just KO.
	I'm like, that's it.
	Career highlight.
	I don't know.
	I love that.
	Sounds like a lot of work.
	Yeah, sex work is work.
	It is work.
	It is work.
	It's fun work.
	My body's affected.
	We have, I got some more notes here.
	We have.
	I loved it.
	I thought that was fun.
	We got something here from Annie here.
	So let's see.
	You said that you told your boyfriend that you were dating that you weren't willing to have sex with him unless you were married first.
	And that's now your current husband.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	So you guys didn't have sex until you got married.
	Correct.
	So how long had you guys been dating?
	Our first official date was October 25th, 2008.
	Okay.
	But we were talking to each other through MySpace.
	Before that.
	And on the phone quite a bit.
	I saw him play his guitar for the first time, February 2nd, 2008.
	That's so funny.
	And then I know I remember all the dates.
	Yeah, when did y'all get married?
	And then he asked me to marry him on February 14th, Valentine's Day the next year.
	But he was so cute.
	I love it.
	He was driving back and forth from California to Las Vegas.
	I was living in Vegas and I was the Destiny House mom.
	I was living there taking care of the beautiful ladies and their babies.
	And we were dating during that time.
	So he got to see me be a mom to these beautiful children of these beautiful ladies that I was helping.
	And then when we got married, it was like the tip of the iceberg.
	We decided to do this.
	But when I first met him, the first night, I had a ring on, replacing this one, obviously.
	It said on it, true love waits around the band.
	And I put it in his face and I said, I just want you to know that I, even though you've read my story, am not easy for you.
	You're not going to get what you want from me at all.
	I want everything.
	And if you don't want that, our relationship is off the table.
	That's right.
	Make him pay in loyalty.
	Yeah, I didn't want to be with him unless.
	Literally two.
	So you said you're, I mean, previously you said your body count was like 30,000 plus.
	Yeah.
	But your husband, he had to wait until marriage.
	Yes.
	I know.
	That's very patient.
	But she was also in a different state.
	You have to understand.
	She was in just completely.
	Oh, don't you dare.
	Oh, my God.
	Listen, she was in a different state.
	She was in a different space.
	No, sure.
	I get it.
	So women can understand their value.
	I didn't understand my value until after sex work.
	I didn't understand my standards until after sex work.
	You know what I mean?
	When you're in it, sometimes it's easy to get lost in the sauce.
	I don't know.
	I almost feel like sex work because this is my personal experience.
	It is everyone's personal.
	Right, right.
	And that's why it's harder to, I'm not just going to settle with anybody.
	People are constantly, hey, would you consider, would you consider dating?
	You know, and I will, and I will, you know, but the standard is so incredibly high.
	Really high.
	I mean, I appreciate what you were saying that you're so picky about who do you want to be with long-term because it is so much better to be picky and to have 10, 15, 20 first dates and realize right then and there that person's not a good fit for you and find that out from the get-go than to start pursuing all of these relationships that are only going to end in a whole bunch of hurt feelings and not a lot of good quality connection.
	We learn more about ourselves as we date others.
	Yeah.
	And that's in general.
	That's just humans in general.
	It's a good learning opportunity.
	Modest Hikima donated $100.
	Q4ED Push-in Hammurabi code, which also supports slavery.
	What happens when the goats die in 15 years?
	Do you harvest and collect tall resources?
	Children, better investment since meaningful to elite.
	That's a lot of good meat.
	They die.
	Yeah, well, you can't do that.
	As a hunter land, that's good stuff.
	Because early on, he was like an old old man.
	Old's not very good.
	I mean, I'm a little tougher, but raising meat animals.
	I'm raising fiber goats and dairy goats, so it's like milk and hair.
	So it's like you shear them kind of like you shear sheep.
	So, I mean, you don't really eat dairy goats that you can't get milk from them.
	Eventually, they're going to die.
	Yeah, I mean, all things die.
	It's not happy way possible.
	All things die.
	I mean, like, again, it would really depend on what you're doing.
	We don't need to linger too long on the goats or whatever.
	Oh, thank God.
	Just on Annie's thing, I mean, I certainly think it's good that you chose to start moving differently in your life, but just like from a dating perspective, if I, for example, and I know you're kind of an outlier in the sense that you've had, like, you know, your body count, you said was over 30,000.
	But if I was interacting with a woman and she told me, well, I had previously hooked up with 20 guys and I hooked up with them on the first night, but now for you, I want to wait until marriage.
	First off, I would just say, of course, it's 100% her call.
	Like, if she wants to wait, that's her call.
	But I'm also, I feel men in general are within their right to, to some degree, feel like that's kind of you're getting different treatment.
	And if your husband was cool with it, that's totally cool, respect it.
	But me personally, I think a lot of men would feel in that situation like that we were getting treated with two different standards.
	That's not fair, right?
	It feels a little unfair.
	Like, because I've heard this from a lot of women.
	It's like, well, the jerks, the fuckboys, I don't really care about them, so I'll just fuck them right away.
	But the guy I actually want to pursue for a relationship, that's the guy you make wait.
	And logically, it would occur to me that wouldn't you want to almost reward the guy that you actually care about and want a long-term relationship with instead of withholding sex and using it as a sort of negotiating tool?
	I think it's a logical reason behind that.
	Yeah, I did, and I stopped myself.
	I wanted him to elope with me and not tell anyone because I was so horny.
	I'm just being honest.
	And I wanted to feel his love for me also in that respect because when I wanted to feel sex as a love move instead of a body move, like it was really a soulful thing to do 100% of me with him.
	And the only way I could do that was to stop myself from possibly treating him like an object.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Because I had done it for so long.
	That was good.
	I had done it for so long.
	Every man was an object to me.
	I had switched it so much to where I was in such the power seat that now I had it so twisted that I was a princess queen, not the other way around, right?
	Sure.
	So putting a value on myself in that respect helped me heal on a better level.
	And to see him accept that and say, I can F with her.
	Okay.
	Because that girl knows who she is.
	Yeah.
	And that makes me, he was very turned on by that, actually.
	Yeah, and he told me.
	Sure, and I think I do.
	He didn't say the F-word, by the way.
	I said that.
	Yeah, and I do think women are in this sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't position where on one hand, let's say you acknowledge like, oh, yeah, I've previously, like, I just hooked up with guys too quickly.
	I want to change how I move when it comes to relationships.
	Like, it's tough because obviously it's like, well, it's like, what do you expect, Brian?
	Do you expect women to just, ah, fuck.
	Grid one Motor Sports donated $100.
	As an old retired dude, I can only say I am so glad I never had to spend for a while.
	Thank you.
	I'm just finding my chosen career and trying to feel better about myself.
	My magnum opus is being a faithful husband.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Thank you, good woman.
	Thank you, good one.
	Yeah, I mean, obviously it's like, well, if you're choosing to move in a different way, like, yeah, that's probably better than continuing to just engage in casual sex or the hookup culture.
	But if I encountered a woman who's like, yeah, the last 20 guys I hooked up with, it was all the first night.
	But now I've come along.
	Now I want to wait till marriage, I'd feel kind of like...
	Aw, duped.
	again it's her call like i'm not gonna like try to so how hard would your love pursuit be then How long would my what?
	How hard would your love pursuit be?
	How deep is your love?
	Yeah, yeah.
	One of my favorite songs, too.
	I love that.
	It's just like, I would feel like it's a bit of fraud.
	No fraud.
	I don't have that good of self-control.
	You have a good self-control.
	I don't have that good of self-control.
	No, no, not with control.
	No, not with Annie.
	Yeah, no, I know what he's doing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think you have, like, you had to, you processed through all of, like, you've been processing through all of what you've done in your life.
	Yeah.
	And it's been a struggle, obviously, but it has brought you closer.
	It's brought you closer to the Lord.
	So like.
	Jesus was my first love, by the way.
	Exactly.
	Mason, I'm not kidding you.
	I fell in love with him first.
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	To realize how a man was supposed to treat me.
	I think that's essential.
	Yeah.
	So that was my mom.
	He was my mom.
	Yeah, that is 100% valid.
	Yeah, I think it's important that, oh gosh, what was the point I was going to make?
	I can come in.
	Go for it.
	I can come in.
	So when it comes to being fraud, and we've previously reacted, here's where it's like perhaps an issue.
	If a girl is making you wait, but like all the while she has a friends with benefits, but she's making you wait, I think that's 100% a fraud.
	That's a fraud.
	And I guess the whole point, and I've written this down just so I can be concise.
	So the whole point of a woman having a waiting period before she has sex is supposed to be due to her not being someone that gives away sex so easily.
	So having a man wait implies I'm not easy to get into bed.
	But for a woman like who might have friends with benefits while she's making you wait, it just means I'm going to make you wait an arbitrary amount of time because I want to give you the impression that I'm not quick to give out sex, but in actuality, I am, just not for you.
	Gotcha, when that's happening, occurring.
	There's psychological.
	Yeah, and so wanting to build something slowly is pointless if the woman is willing to give out sex to another man who did not need to give her commitment.
	So it just kind of shows that she thinks, I think it shows that she thinks very little of the man she wants to make wait.
	I can't agree with that.
	That's true.
	Well, I mean, really, it's like putting up fake barriers in the same way that you're saying that there's a psychological reason behind why someone is choosing to respond in that way.
	It's that she's tricked herself into believing that, oh, if I withhold this from him, it's somehow going to mean that he's going to want me more or desire me more.
	I think that's more.
	That he somehow can be more committed to me.
	We should get our books.
	He's in the parking lot.
	Maybe we should, you think he might be?
	He would love to.
	Oh, let me know.
	Well, not quite.
	I just want to make sure we can get through everything and if time for admitting, maybe we can.
	explain that could be that could be wait let me ask the chat Let me ask the chat what they think.
	Nick, if you can pull up the chat.
	Chat, so her husband is downstairs.
	We could have them up in the studio within a couple minutes.
	Would you guys be interested in hearing from her husband?
	That could be pretty interesting, I think.
	Yeah.
	But before we do that, just because I have notes on all the girls here, I want to just make sure we can get through all the notes on.
	I always say bring them.
	Yeah, because this is supposed to be about.
	Everybody says bring them.
	Okay, we'll get to it maybe in 30 minutes.
	You're getting heavy yeses.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure.
	Let's see here.
	Let's see.
	He said I'm here.
	Okay, maybe we'll snag him in a little bit, but there's a lot of things I want to try to get through.
	Let's pull up Olivia's news article really quick.
	If you can pull up her news article, we pulled this up on your previous show.
	I'm a sex therapist.
	I sleep with clients to save marriages.
	And I think this was a big point of contention between Candace and you.
	Yeah.
	You save the marriages by having sex with the couple.
	Magnum opus?
	Yeah.
	You know, some couples come for different reasons.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I've helped a lot of people.
	But I never said, hey, I'm a sex therapist because that's not, I never said that.
	That's kind of where the tabloids went to make it clickable.
	So now I've got to put a disclaimer on it.
	But now people are coming for more and more non-sexual reasons to talk things out.
	Sure.
	And that's okay.
	You know, that's okay too.
	I see.
	But I've worked with people for a variety of reasons.
	And the gal that wrote that story really liked the couples aspect, which is fine.
	I mean, I love couples, but I see people for a gazillion reasons.
	Gazillion reasons.
	You know, some of it's entertainment.
	Some of it really is therapeutic reasons.
	Gotcha.
	Well, we don't need to linger too long on the article, but you and Candace went back and forth.
	There was apparently a Twitter post that you made that she really focused on a little bit.
	Something about BBC.
	Oh, big black.
	Yeah.
	Did you make a post on Twitter about BBC?
	Yeah, I mean, when I decided to do OnlyFans, you know, I started doing porn just recently because the Bunny Ranch stopped marketing altogether.
	So I started doing that for myself.
	It kind of a show what you know, and it started bringing more in-person sessions in.
	And a lot of people kept saying, I want to see you with an African American.
	I'm not seeing that.
	And I said, okay, so I got that going.
	And so I'm kind of going back the other way because I always used to kind of advertise myself as more of a GFE.
	And then if you want to see me in more of a porn star light, go to My OnlyFans.
	But I would put stuff on my Twitter as other porn stars do.
	You just give little teasers and they go on over.
	And so she was just focusing, hey, you know, you've got a dick in your mouth.
	I mean, that was just her focal point to say, you know, you shouldn't be doing that.
	You shouldn't be putting that on Twitter.
	That was a shame on you.
	But it's wildly popular.
	People want to see me with African Americans and they like seeing me outdoors in public sex scenes.
	I'm just looking at the analytics of what people like there.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	We got Mercedes here, ex-stripper, turned coach, sensual healer.
	You say you help women reclaim their experience and live a spicy life.
	And I think we already covered it.
	You said all women are sex workers.
	Yeah.
	I disagree.
	That's okay.
	I disagree.
	Disavow.
	That's because you don't understand energetics.
	And that's it.
	Right.
	I'm truly ignorant.
	Well, no, I'm not saying you're ignorant.
	I don't think that you understand energetics.
	Energetics.
	Energetics.
	Are you talking about like that sexual energy that you were just referring to earlier?
	I don't think that you understand energetics, right?
	I don't mean to impress that one.
	And that's okay.
	Energetic?
	I don't know what energetics are.
	Exactly.
	I got to send him the Sadhguru video when he talks about it.
	Well, I mean, there's, it's, I mean, we could go to.
	Sadguru has a little video that talks about exactly the same thing, but only it's within five minutes.
	And he explains.
	But he talks about like when you awaken it, if you're not ready to awaken the kundalini.
	I had a spontaneous kundalini awakening and it was fucking nuts.
	I legit moved to Colorado because of it and it was crazy.
	But anyway.
	All right.
	You said here that you were in a poly relationship.
	You met your partner in the strip club.
	Yeah.
	You, him, and another ex or a ex lived together.
	Yeah.
	And then you got pregnant.
	Pregnant?
	By my baby dad.
	While in the poly relationship?
	So I wasn't, okay.
	So I was in a relationship with my partner.
	We moved to Los Angeles together and we were like in a pretty open relationship for my own like kink reasons, but that's neither here nor there.
	We were in an open relationship.
	I met my daughter's father at the strip club and then we started dating.
	Within two months, I got pregnant.
	And then at the time, LA rent was so freaking expensive.
	So he moved in and they both basically just handled everything.
	But my older partner, it's like, I hate saying Polly, but I didn't even know it was Polly until recently when someone was like, that's a Poly relationship.
	Because I was like, well, we weren't having sex.
	Like me and my ex weren't having sex for months.
	But it was a really deep emotional connection.
	And we still have a deep emotional connection.
	Wait, so, okay.
	You were in a poly relationship and you met your now current.
	I was in a relationship.
	Right.
	And oh, that's because you said the 13.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And then I met my partner.
	And then you guys all lived together.
	And then he moved in with me and my boyfriend.
	Or my ex-boyfriend, obviously, once you're in.
	You got pregnant two months.
	Into knowing my baby dad.
	Be careful what you're saying.
	What do you mean?
	Don't just, I'm saying, just don't, don't go saying anything about him.
	No, but I'm curious, like, when you got pregnant, were you still Polly?
	No.
	I think you're misunderstanding.
	I was in a relationship with one person.
	Yeah.
	Then I went to work one night.
	I met my daughter's father.
	So then that relationship with one person turned into a relationship with two people.
	Right.
	And then I got pregnant by my daughter's father.
	So he moved in.
	And me and my ex, once I met my daughter's father, we stopped all intimacy.
	Like, me and him have not had any sexual intimacy even for months before I met my daughter's father.
	Wow.
	Oh, okay.
	But we were emotionally, like very, very, very emotionally monogamous.
	Was it like a dead bedroom type of thing?
	Like a what?
	Dead bedroom, like, you know, like a dead bedroom where you don't have sex anymore.
	Oh, yeah, like there was, so we, we had, I was stripping.
	So I do think that sex works, sex work can impact relationships negatively.
	Sure.
	And I think that's just kind of what happened in that relationship.
	I had a question for you.
	And when you're done, it says for you, because I was, you know, he said that he was a virgin and you like you had that restraint to not have sex with your husband immediately.
	And then I'll let you finish your story so I don't like take over.
	But I just wanted to ask a question because I'm like, dang, that's so good of restraint.
	Yeah, I think that sex work definitely tainted our relationship because I was so open and then I would like, you know, be like, oh, I'll bring girls home.
	And like, I kind of gave him that past to be disloyal to me.
	And it's so crazy because we had such an open relationship.
	My partner now is like so traditional, like so, we like literally cry about Jesus together.
	Like he is so opposite, but he's also like not.
	It's just so polar opposite.
	But yeah, I've seen both ends of like having a partner and sex work, but ultimately the partner I have now helped me exit sex work.
	Wait, just a question.
	Your current partner, is that the baby dad?
	That's the big dad.
	Okay, I see, I see.
	You also said you wanted to talk about...
	Shout out, Say Trees, by the way.
	Let's see.
	You said you also wanted to talk about why women in the sex industry choose shit partners.
	Yes.
	You said you could go off.
	Oh, I could go off on that.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	I am from New York.
	Yeah.
	Wait, you should have shellacked on my East Coast comes out a lot.
	Put on the accent a lot.
	You could hear it when I say like sauces, like when I say all.
	What part of New York?
	I'm from Connecticut, actually, but I live in New York temporarily.
	Go off on that.
	Okay.
	I'll be right back.
	So women who are in the sex industry, everything's a mirror.
	So everything in our reality, oh my God, and I hate saying this because of Twin Flame University or whatever it is that just came out.
	But everything in our experience truly is a mirror.
	So a lot of the times we attract partners who are just like us while we're in the sex industry.
	And so when you're in the sex industry, a lot of the time, not all the time, but a lot of the time you are leading from your misaligned, underdeveloped masculine energy.
	So you attract a partner who's leading from his misaligned, underdeveloped masculine energy.
	And it's a mirror.
	So it creates all of this friction, all of this trigger.
	If you have two cubs who are like not fully matured, what's going to happen if you put them together?
	They're going to fight.
	So this is literally the dynamic you see in sex workers with partners.
	Not all the time.
	I feel like it is possible to have like healthy relationships in sex work.
	But a lot of the time you see women who are choosing men who are using them financially, who are verbally abusive, physically abusive.
	And it's literally just a mirror of, and I'm being mindful with my wording because it's not to say it's like, it's all your fault, but it is a mirror of what you're embodied in in that moment.
	You know what I mean?
	So in order for you to attract, I mean, this is just laws of physics.
	You know what I mean?
	You attract what you are.
	You know?
	Would you say that?
	I mean, yeah, I agree with that sentiment.
	Would you say that for a man to be able to rationalize with himself to be with a sex worker, he would have to be like, he would have to be in his masculine more than you.
	Like he would have, like, so.
	Yes.
	So.
	So typically in those relationships, since sex work is a lot more masculine.
	It's very masculine and it's rooted in the do and survival based energy.
	So you're meeting a partner 90% of the time that's also in his do and survival based energy.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, I would agree with that.
	So it's typically you got to find a man who is.
	So as the feminine, you don't find a man you magnetize.
	Yeah, yeah, it's you attract the man, the men who have to be more masculine than you are.
	So women who are more feminine.
	What you're speaking to, what you're speaking to is actually a power dynamic.
	So it's less of a power dynamic and more of a, is this someone I can feel safe?
	Because safety is really important for the feminine.
	Being witnessed is extremely important for the feminine.
	And being held and meeting a masculine that can actually just be an anchor for the feminine.
	So yeah, finding a man who is more masculine than yourself that can make you feel feminine.
	Sure.
	If you want to, if you, yes, if you want to call it like that way.
	So for me, like even with my ex, the thing why we were so attached is because I felt so safe.
	Even though like we were cheating on each other, et cetera, he had a way of holding space for my feminine that just made me feel so safe, so anchored in my experience.
	And then my partner, it's like he now is accessing that part of himself.
	Like he's now, and that's because of his own shit, his own trauma that he had to navigate through, his own, you know, wound with the feminine, like all of that, you know?
	So I think that it's possible.
	I met my partner in the strip club.
	I was already, I already started doing work on myself when I met my partner in the strip club.
	You know what I mean?
	And that's why I do what I do with helping women who are like transitioning out, who are in to help them understand that they don't have to be a product of their environment, that they can use it as a stepping stone to attract whatever the fuck they want because we literally can have anything.
	The possibilities are endless.
	I had a question for you, you, and you.
	And this was because now like we've had this conversation, I'm like now starting to like something just, you know, dawned upon me.
	I don't feel close to a man unless I have sex with him.
	Like I'm like, if I see like a guy that wants to date me.
	I'm the same way.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If I haven't had sex with a man.
	I'm like, I just got to have him.
	Like, you know, and if I don't have him, then he don't like me.
	And I think that's.
	That goes back to your story.
	That goes back to that original story.
	That's what I think.
	That's a whole coaching session.
	I'm like, I want to give you a coaching session.
	I think if a guy does, like, for instance, if like, let's say a man, like, like, was a virgin and he's like, if I didn't get to sleep with him, I would think that he didn't like me and I wouldn't feel loved.
	And I, um, I, I would just be like, oh my gosh, I got to have him.
	And I, like, this is like tearing me apart.
	And I'm just like, ah, like, well, we have different love languages.
	Yeah, I know.
	So that's also because you're making it mean something about you.
	So I told Olivia this story earlier.
	There was a time last year when my partner was, so the masculine just operates different than the feminine.
	So when they're stressed and there's like a lot going on in their experience, they're not going to look at us and be like, oh, I want to tap that.
	It's like their mental is somewhere else because the masculine is extremely in his consciousness, extremely mental.
	So would I be in my masculine wanting to have sex with the guy?
	You're making his rejection mean that you're unworthy and undeserving.
	Oh, okay.
	Of love.
	Of love.
	Because you're interpreting.
	You're interpreting love.
	So I still love.
	Like, to give my point of view on it.
	So I think we see this.
	So if we turn to certain evidence showing that relationships are generally hurt by having sex before marriage, I think, and this is just a hypothesis.
	Obviously, you can't dig into someone's brain to see how it works and the reasons why more marriages fail because of, or there's a correlation between sex before marriage and marriages failing.
	I think my hypothesis would be that it is if the goal of marriage is to have sex procreate and develop this emotional.
	It's a unionship.
	And I think that's, so okay, yeah.
	So it's to create this connection.
	So if we're creating this connection, I need to be able to clearly and without any clouded judgment evaluate you.
	Okay, so how can I, I need to evaluate you as an emotional partner?
	Yes.
	Okay, where do we line up morally, spiritually?
	I need to start evaluating all of these things that are extremely important that can be clouded by adding sex into the picture.
	Like if I'm having sex with my girlfriend, I am going to overlook a whole lot of stuff.
	Yes, obviously, like there's the desire I want to have sex with her.
	A lot of people misinterpret lust as love.
	Oh, no, I agree.
	And so I get what you're saying because love is actually a choice, you know, and it's something that it's a commitment.
	And I think that a lot of people lust someone and they misinterpret it as, oh my God, I'm so in love with you.
	I agree.
	I 100% agree with that.
	And so that's why I don't have sex before marriage.
	I love it.
	It's because I don't want to intermingle lust with how I'm feeling towards them.
	Well, you're desiring unionship.
	And a lot of what we see in like hookup culture is people are more committed to being partners and more committed to being 50-50 and more committed to all this than having a divine unionship.
	And there's a big difference between the two.
	There's a massive difference between the two.
	Yeah.
	Modest.
	He donated $100.
	Bricks and three for doubting.
	This cast is 100% about dating.
	Has taught me a lot about what the SJW is spitting these days.
	Number four legit said human attraction, you know, laws of physics not related at all.
	This is about dating.
	I just said, any guy I don't date, I have to have sex with, or I feel he doesn't love me.
	No, no, I don't know if he was saying that.
	Is that what it is?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's only so much you can get through it.
	Through texting.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think that's, it's in, it is really important for you to be able to differentiate physical.
	Yeah, like I wouldn't be against it.
	Yeah.
	I feel like Brian wants to move on.
	I'm feeling the energy.
	So I think it's important.
	Like in my life, I want to be able to separate what are my feelings of like physical desire.
	I need to be able to separate that from my feelings of love.
	And so if I'm cultivating those feelings of love, so the emotional connection, what do you like, what do you think about the Bible?
	Do you agree with me like on morals?
	Like I'm checking off all these boxes without clouding my vision with, ah, she provides me with sex.
	Yeah.
	So that's where I come from that area.
	And that's actually a really aligned masculine way to lead your life because the underdeveloped masculine is she just provides me.
	Exactly, yes.
	Beautiful.
	Yeah.
	I have Nickelodeon here.
	Hold on, let me pull this up.
	Brian, the way Redhead is looking at you.
	After speaking yay, oldie nerdy, you'll be getting the veterans discount tonight.
	You'll also have a puddle of fireball to clean off her chair.
	I'm not sure what that is.
	What a fireball.
	Alice Little can.
	What is a fire?
	I don't know what fireball is.
	I don't get it.
	Is it because we're probably going to get it?
	Because you're a red hair.
	Sure.
	I love your red hair.
	Yeah.
	Fiery personality.
	Fiery personality.
	We have a chat here from the golden eagle, the gold eagle, the gold.
	Bricks, and if you get the opportunity, get the lady in purple husband on for an interview if he's willing.
	I'd tune in for that.
	Oh, did I already read this?
	I forgot.
	Yeah, I think in just a moment here, we can have him come up.
	That'd be cool.
	Last thing, we have some notes here from Alice.
	Alice, you said that, let's see, your first relationship in high school was with your two best friends who are also dating each other.
	This is like a love triangle type of thing.
	Yep, back in high school.
	Two dudes?
	No, two girls.
	Oh, two girls.
	Okay.
	Are you able to scoot into the table just a tad?
	Ethical non-monogamy slash polyamory and the differences between that and having an affair or being a swinger.
	I'd also love to talk about couples' first threesomes.
	And then you also say more couples should have threesomes.
	There's lots of benefits to learning from another person in the bedroom.
	Here, I'll save that till after we adjust that stuff.
	So you think more couples should have threesomes?
	Oh, absolutely, yes.
	See, my view on threesomes is I'd prefer to just disappoint one woman at a time.
	Well, you see, that's why a lot of men come to see sex workers to have their first threesome.
	It's because for many guys, it's like a goal.
	It's a fantasy.
	It's something that they've always wanted to do.
	They're not sure to go about doing it.
	It's so much easier to just go to a sex room and be like, I want to have this fantasy.
	I want to fulfill it.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And seeing a legal sex worker is a great way to do that.
	And when it comes to couples and getting to have a threesome, when you bring another person into the bedroom, you have an opportunity to get more comfortable with each other intimately as well.
	You're starting to talk about the things that you like and the things that you don't like because now you have somebody new.
	It's not just the same standard sex that you've been having for the past 20 years on repeat.
	It's different.
	You've shaken it up and now all of a sudden it's hot, it's spicy, it's new again.
	Like if you want people to have successful long-term relationships, it can't be the same thing again and again and again.
	You've got to do something different.
	You ever thought it would be about becoming a politician?
	Or like a spokesperson?
	I feel like you.
	I am.
	I'm an advocate for the Nevada brothel industry.
	I'm the founder of the Nevada Brothel Association.
	I defended the legalization of brothels against multiple religious individuals.
	I move my shit forwards, backwards, inside and outside.
	Back, inside, outside.
	Okay, wow.
	That's a lot of ways.
	I've been doing it for a while now.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	You also say porn isn't cheating.
	It's not.
	And women shouldn't feel threatened by prawn or P stars.
	No, they shouldn't.
	Madison, what do you think about that?
	Madison, what do you think about that?
	Yeah, so many women have this reaction.
	Oh my God, I caught my man watching porn.
	He's cheating on me.
	He's lusting after somebody else.
	He's looking at somebody else.
	And there's this internal comparison that women are doing with porn stars where they feel like they then have to do the things that porn stars are doing and they feel like somehow he's cheating on them.
	And he's not.
	It's not a bad thing.
	No, I do think that certainly there are some women who blow it out of proportion.
	But do you think it is valid for a woman to prefer her partner not consume?
	Do you think that's like a valid standard for a woman to have?
	I'd prefer him to not consume any porn.
	So how is that woman masturbating?
	What is she fantasizing about?
	Is she reading erotic literature?
	That's just Written porn.
	I mean, porn takes so many forms in fashions and fantasies.
	I do think some women blow it out of proportion, but I think it's in the same way that men are allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	I think if a woman doesn't want her partner to be consuming porn, I think that so long as that's something that's discussed and it's made aware to the partner, I do think it's a valid preference to have as a woman.
	Yeah, and I think that there needs to be a conversation around, well, how is this man now, quote unquote, permitted to then please himself?
	Are we trying to prevent him from masturbating at all whatsoever?
	Is the only way that he's allowed to relieve himself is with her and only with her?
	Because I mean, it can take a lot of forms and fashions of control.
	I mean, it's like once you start limiting how somebody interacts with their own body, I mean, it's a really slippery slope.
	I would much rather have standards around what kind of porn my guy would be consuming.
	I'm consuming.
	Like, I would want him to be paying for his porn, not downloading shit off the internet for free that's going to end up like filling his computer with spam and nonsense.
	Like, pay people for their work, consume it ethnically, consume it from adults.
	Since when is it a fantasy to contract herpes on these lady parks?
	Every show.
	Every show.
	Jay Butler.
	I need to clean the place up.
	Otherwise, it will be uninhabitable.
	You know what, Jay Butler?
	I'm actually, that is a legally binding offer.
	I'm accepting your offer to send us a hazmat suit.
	Oh, no.
	Can you DM me on Instagram?
	I will send you a P.O. box, and I will, you, I don't want like a cheap Halloween costume version either.
	You have to send us CDC.
	Proper, Jay Butler, are you down to sending a hazmat suit?
	I will have Madison wear it next.
	Hey, Dad, volunteers and room for air.
	Jay Butler.
	Like victims here.
	Madison will wear the hazmat suit next episode if you send it.
	And what's the term?
	He's a doctor.
	I forgot the exact urologist.
	Thank you, Nick.
	Thank you.
	He's a urologist.
	That's why he knows so much about it.
	That's why I asked you because he's not Kaiser said I didn't.
	No, but come on.
	Come on the show.
	Yeah.
	Stares at the dynamic test results then.
	Can I eat these?
	Oh my gosh.
	I'm shaking over here.
	Go ahead.
	Maybe just tilt the microphone away.
	Tilt the microphone away just so we can go.
	So that way nobody hears.
	No, you can eat.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I ate somebody's granola and I love 20 bucks.
	So I think what do we got?
	What do we got to do?
	Oh, yeah, let's do Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Let me see.
	Tay 90.
	I think I shouted him out.
	Wavy97, thank for the prime.
	UTSA, Jennifer, thank for the prime.
	Teeny Sunflower, thank for the tier one.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub if you've got one.
	So I think, Annie, I think we should bring up your husband.
	She thinks she's married.
	She's here next to her.
	I'm trying to.
	Oh, yo, Ibby Check, dude.
	Thank you so much for the gifted 20 memberships.
	Thank you, dude.
	And thank you, everybody else, who's so generously sent in some super chats tonight and Streamlabs donations and gifted memberships.
	Thank you guys so much.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you for the patronage.
	I'm already by the door.
	Thank you for the patronage.
	Guys, I'm getting scared because there's people in the space.
	They're getting canceled.
	Pearl got demonetized.
	She says some things though that are not.
	You and the other podcast, you don't say things like the well, oh yeah, you were on FNS.
	I was, yeah.
	Two, three weeks ago.
	Yeah.
	Holy shit.
	This guy is on the fly.
	You're energy.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah.
	Boom!
	Ninja Luke.
	Skiz Tech?
	What's his name?
	Yo, Skiz.
	Dude, holy fuck, bruv.
	Thank you, dude.
	That's so nice.
	Thank you, man.
	100 gifted subs on Twitch.
	Dude, thank you so much, man.
	Skiz Tech.
	Bro, I need to play.
	Hold on.
	Fuck, I didn't mean to press this.
	I will do.
	Yes.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	You're awesome.
	Thank you.
	This is my first time seeing Skiz.
	Ski.
	So thank you, man.
	we going down to get him, Nick?
	I think Nick, if you, yeah, also he does need to sign a, And I think maybe we have him.
	Where do we have him sit?
	Couldn't do it.
	Should I slading?
	We could.
	Yeah, I guess.
	And then we just move.
	I couldn't mean Alan Fox.
	I think, yeah, he should sit next to him.
	So I'm more than happy.
	We're getting rid of this one over here.
	I think we.
	Here's what we're going to do, guys.
	So what we're doing right now is Annie's husband, who's his name, Oz?
	Oz Fox.
	Oz.
	Oz Fox.
	Lead guitarist backing vocals of the Christian Glam rock band Strike is coming on the show.
	I'm going to get a picture with you guys.
	I know me.
	Oh, she said he's just.
	At the door.
	He's at the door.
	So I think, can we maybe pull?
	Let's pull Kiki into the corner.
	Then we'll just get another chair.
	Do we got another chair back here somewhere?
	Where we got a chair?
	There's this one.
	Come on, you're strong, Madison.
	You got it.
	That one.
	Oh, it's fine.
	It's not good.
	Keep drag her.
	Drag her.
	Yep.
	Treat her like a lady.
	That's right.
	Okay, that's good.
	Yep.
	Okay, so now we, oh, we need another microphone.
	That's what we need.
	Shit.
	This is going to be complicated, dude.
	He could use my microphone.
	Do you want to take a little breather?
	Is that what you're saying?
	You want to take a little?
	Yeah, we could.
	I'm shaking over here.
	Sugar.
	Or maybe, you know what?
	Maybe, shit, we could have.
	Do we have to go?
	Let's all just move one seat over.
	One seat over.
	Maybe Madison, you sit on Kiki's lap or something.
	I don't know.
	Chat, should she just chill on Kiki's lap for a bit?
	Is that going to be comfortable?
	Just Alice is going to need her booster seat.
	Can you scoot that chair back in?
	Just scoot that chair in, yeah.
	Okay, we should, yeah, we'll have Madison back there, I guess.
	Sorry.
	Nick, Nick is.
	Here, while we are waiting for that, guys, I have a question for you.
	Lauren, have you had any DMs?
	Because you've been on the show twice.
	Have you had any DMs from guys?
	They don't want to see you like they want to actually date you.
	They want to date me?
	Yeah, have you had any dudes slide into the DM?
	What the fuck is that?
	Holy shit.
	Oh, my God.
	I don't know what's a maw.
	Protect Lauren.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	She's got a D.
	So I've had a few.
	My issue is.
	What's your issue?
	Tell us your issue.
	This is my issue.
	What's your issue?
	Where's Olivia?
	Olivia's my issue.
	That's what it is.
	Where did she go?
	So my biggest issue is this.
	Do you want to scoot it?
	Can you take this seat?
	Or actually, maybe take this seat, I think.
	Sorry, guys, we're doing a little musical chairs here.
	I know that I can't, you know, I never say never in a sense.
	Like, oh, I'll never date like a civilian person, like, you know, somebody that wasn't in entertainment.
	But the only reason why I do date people only in entertainment or only if they're like a business owner, anything like that.
	Oh, just right next to Annie over here.
	Is because the safety.
	Oh, Eve!
	Welcome.
	Wait, hold on.
	I got to play some special videos.
	Hey, guys.
	Hey!
	I wasn't expecting this, by the way.
	So, okay, you got to spit out your gummy.
	I have to apologize to Kiki for kicking her out of her space.
	It's all good.
	What's up?
	Oh, go ahead.
	Take your gum off.
	Yeah, pass it off.
	Okay, okay.
	Okay.
	It's pretty much just the safety.
	I only date people in entertainment because of the safety factor.
	They have a social media, they have an image to uphold, or if they're like a business owner like that, because if they don't, it ends ugly, real ugly.
	It's happened three times, and I don't typically date civilians because of those three-strikes out experience.
	Wait.
	Yeah.
	Is Olivia in the bathroom now?
	I think so, yeah.
	I think she's in the bathroom.
	Alice, are you coming back?
	Okay.
	Okay, yeah, yeah, that's fine.
	So, Tap, you introduce yourself, tell us.
	How are you doing?
	I'm Oz Fox, married to Annie, Annie's husband.
	Okay.
	And we've been married for 15 years.
	I've been in Striper, the Christian 80s hair metal band.
	Whoops.
	Sorry.
	Part of that.
	Since 1983.
	So when the band started, I'm an original member.
	And we've just been going for 40 years now.
	And we're still going strong, still doing albums, still touring and all that good stuff.
	So, yeah.
	And my wife is definitely my hero.
	Okay.
	You're so sweet.
	Can we just have you pop your hat off?
	Is that cool?
	Cool, yeah.
	It tends to cast a shadow on the eyes.
	I get it.
	So, how long have you been involved in music?
	All my life.
	All your life?
	Oh, yeah.
	There's a long story to it, but basically started professionally, obviously, when Striper got famous.
	As a Christian heavy metal band.
	Wait, can we get a photo of an 80s photo just for context, I guess?
	Yeah, sure.
	You'll see him.
	Yeah, Nick, if you're able to.
	It's Striper with a Y, correct?
	Striper with a Y. Striper with a Y.
	Okay.
	Let us know once you got it, Nick.
	Yeah.
	There we go.
	There you go.
	Click that.
	That's definitely from the earliest.
	Wait, Nick, can you go big on that photo?
	Just do right-click, right-click, open a new tab.
	Yep.
	Click over.
	Brooklyn vegan.
	What the fuck?
	No, that's you scuffed that.
	Hold on.
	X out of that.
	It's one of the worst pictures.
	It's hard.
	Which one are you?
	Do the one on the bottom, honey.
	Are you on the move your hands?
	If you're looking at the top right, I'm the one in the far right, which is one of the most terrible pictures we've ever done.
	Do the one on the bottom.
	If you go to the bottom of the street.
	Wait, what about the Nick, the one that's just below us in this image?
	Yeah, the biggest one.
	No, no, no, no.
	Yep, there it is.
	Bingo.
	Okay, that's from the I'm in the middle.
	That was from our platinum album to hell with it.
	Wait, which one's you?
	Are you in the one in the bottom?
	Oh, in the middle.
	Look at his face.
	Look at his eyes.
	I got a question.
	Yeah.
	Did the 80s smell a lot like hairspray?
	In our case, yes.
	Back then in the days.
	Okay.
	That's awesome.
	So, okay, so you were in this band.
	Oh, the question I was going to ask is: being a Christian heavy metal, what was the classification?
	Glam or a lot of people?
	Some called us glam metal.
	Yeah, hair.
	Hair metal.
	This is another one people called us.
	And then just overall, like radical Christian heavy metal.
	Okay.
	Nobody was doing it back then either.
	Did you guys have, given that you were like a Christian band, did y'all have groupies?
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	Okay.
	It was all, I mean, we didn't have anything any different than any other band, except we weren't doing drugs and partying, no women backstage.
	No women.
	Nobody like that.
	No, no.
	Okay.
	But you had groupies, just you weren't like just hooking up with that.
	In fact, we had a good, let's just say we had a good security system that kept anything like that from coming near us.
	Gotcha.
	Did you guys, you guys, I assume went on tours and international or just in the world?
	International, all around the world.
	Your first tour, like how many cities did you guys hit?
	Oh my gosh.
	Well, first major tour was through the U.S.
	I think it was the Soldiers Under Command tour.
	That was our second album.
	What year was that?
	It would have been 1986.
	Okay.
	Something like that.
	Did you guys play on, what was the, was it Melrose?
	Well, that's where we started.
	Was it the Sunset Strip where there was all the like?
	Sunset Strip, Melrose was a famous place called, no, no, I'm sorry, whatever.
	That wasn't the strip.
	Or that was a venue, right?
	Venues were all over Hollywood.
	Yeah.
	And we played pretty much the majority of them, as well as a few outside of Hollywood that were famous, like the Country Club and Reseda.
	And so we played a lot of the venues all over Southern California that we had lines of people coming to see us because of what we did.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Pretty quick.
	Nice.
	And sorry, did you say how many cities were in the I mean all over the United States?
	All over.
	So that would be like, you know, we'd be hit per year, maybe 40, 50 cities.
	Gotcha.
	Something like that.
	And before meeting Annie, were you previously married?
	Annie's my second marriage, yes.
	Second marriage.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Well, Madison, do you want to just sit there while I guess we wait until yeah, what are you doing now?
	Lounging.
	What the?
	She's having a good time with Kiki back there.
	She's getting comfortable.
	She's getting comfy.
	This was less comfortable.
	Yeah, why don't you just take that scene?
	I don't know.
	Nick, do you know they're coming back?
	Or what is the situation?
	I could text if you want me to.
	Did they leave?
	They're both in the bathroom.
	They're both in the bathroom?
	Do you want me to text her?
	Nick, can you just go check really quick and see if they might have dipped?
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure what's going on.
	Opened the door?
	Oh, they actually did.
	They left?
	Okay, whatever.
	Okay, so you were married before, and then...
	I was married for 20 years.
	20 years.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then, so tell us the story.
	I mean, Annie kind of went over it, but we'd like to hear it from your perspective.
	What's the origin story of you guys meeting?
	Well, she gave you the basic idea.
	We met on MySpace and through a friend of hers that I had met and became MySpace friends with, saw her profile and read her story and was blown away at what both of them were doing.
	Her friend was someone who went into the strip clubs and helped women kind of want to bring them out of that and see if you could steer them a different way.
	And so reading Annie's story and her story really sparked my interest because Striper was out doing a lot of that kind of same work in Hollywood with all of the people that would come to rock clubs or whatever you want to call it and just share people about what we believed in.
	And We got a lot of flack from Christians because of what we were doing, wearing spandex and doing the hair metal thing or whatever.
	Makeup.
	Well, we weren't trying to look like women, although that's what those pictures look like.
	That's what a lot of the church people would say, that we were trying to be effeminate and we weren't.
	We were cross-dressing.
	Yeah, and we weren't doing that at all.
	We were just using it as stage makeup, you know.
	So, I mean, if anything, you know, we were just doing what we felt we were called to do.
	And so, going along with that, I mean, obviously, I felt the whole idea of the church coming against us related to what maybe Annie and her friend might have went through the same thing.
	And that was the whole spiel for me wanting to meet Annie was to hopefully be a support if she ever had a situation where she could understand why that was happening.
	It happened to us.
	Okay.
	And, you know, I felt like I can share some stuff, you know, give her some support in that.
	But eventually, obviously, we met in person the rest of this history.
	You were such a fan of mine, honey.
	Can we do a selfie, please?
	I'm your biggest fan now.
	And I brought a guy to that show, and you thought it was my boyfriend.
	Yeah, that was a funny thing.
	He was very offended.
	He was like, oh.
	I wasn't offended.
	It was.
	No, no, no, not you.
	He was offended.
	Oh, your friend.
	He was a huge fan of Striper.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I invited her to come see me play in Vegas because I was playing with some local bands there.
	And she came.
	And that was kind of how it started.
	I started coming to play in Vegas on a regular basis and dating her at the same time.
	So it was kind of an interesting long story.
	There's more details to it.
	We can't do it all in one night, but you know.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And just kind of unrelated to your guys' relationship, but just your own background.
	Were you moving in the same circles as some of the other, like Motley Crew, Skid Row, like any of those other exactly.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Did you ever tour with them?
	Gene Simmons.
	Did you meet him?
	Kiss was like the 70s, right?
	I think so.
	I think it was like 70s, 80s, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	I guess they had a bit.
	You're talking about Striper?
	Yeah, you're talking about Kiss too.
	Did you ever meet any of them?
	Kiss started in the 70s, which I was a fan of Kiss when I was in high school.
	But obviously, Striper became popular, and eventually we gained the respect of Kiss.
	We ended up playing on the Kiss Cruise this semester.
	Yeah, just last year.
	Last year in December.
	There was a cruise?
	There was a Kiss Cruise.
	That's wow.
	They did do a cruise.
	They did a Kiss Cruise every year.
	And last year we played the last one that they ever had.
	They're retiring now.
	Yeah, I see.
	It was bomb.
	It was amazing watching him.
	Paul Stanley was, I videotaped him.
	Well, it's not videotaped anymore.
	I filmed him watching Striper play and nodding his head and grooving with it.
	And I couldn't believe it.
	I was like, I'm watching Paul Stanley love my husband's band.
	I actually worked with Gene Simmons at the Rock and Roll Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp when he was the head celebrity on a weekend there.
	And we got a chance to relate, talk, and whatever.
	And he said he admired our band just because we stood up for something and we became successful doing it and stuck to our guns.
	That's awesome.
	It was really great.
	Yeah.
	Were there any other Christian, like, hair metal glamorck bands, or were you guys the only one?
	No, there were some.
	Yeah.
	Definitely copycats.
	Copycats.
	Well, I wouldn't say copycats.
	You know, everybody has a calling.
	I know.
	And if you have a calling to do something, you're going to just do it with your passion.
	And I have really good friends that did that same thing that we did.
	It's like they didn't know that you could do that.
	And then they saw this band.
	Yeah.
	Oh, you can do hair metal and love the Lord.
	Another very popular Hair metal band, if you want to call it that, it was a band called Blood Good, which I ended up being in the band later on in like 2006 because they had asked me to be a part of it.
	And we did an album and toured a little bit.
	It was really cool.
	I wasn't talking about them, honey.
	You just do backing vocals, right?
	You're not you.
	I'm a guitar player and I sing backgrounds, but I can lead sing, which I've had to cover for this.
	I've had to cover for the lead singer of Striper when he got sick and couldn't sing a few times.
	Can we hear something?
	What's that?
	Can we hear something?
	Throw me under the gun here.
	I did not ask somebody to hear this one.
	I have a guitar.
	What do you want me to hear?
	I have a guitar.
	Ryan, get to the guitar.
	What's not a guitar?
	It's not acoustic, though.
	It's electric.
	Oh.
	Plug it in.
	Plug it in.
	If you got an amp, I can plug it into it.
	I think it's a good thing.
	Oh, cool.
	Yeah, I don't think it's going to work.
	Yeah, it might not work because you don't have an amp if it's electric.
	You got to have it.
	It's just going to, you'll hear a lot.
	You won't hear it.
	No, it's going to go.
	Yeah, Nick, I think it's.
	But it's electric.
	Never mind.
	But anyway, yeah, I mean, singing, you know, that's just something I've done since I was a kid, naturally.
	So it just stands to reason.
	I, you know, would be an entertainer in my later years.
	Well, maybe we could hear something.
	What's your favorite?
	What's your favorite line in your favorite song?
	My favorite line in?
	Like your favorite, like something that just stands out for you that like you feel on a soul level.
	I mean, if anything, I mean, I love Beatles.
	Oh.
	I was laughing at Madison.
	Yeah, yeah, no.
	We love the Beatles.
	I love the Beatles.
	And I mean, all you need is love.
	Oh, we love that.
	That's our favorite song in the world.
	That is probably speaking to so many people's, you know, into so many people's lives over decades.
	And those guys were just amazing.
	And it's, you know, they just released something new, and we're all excited about it.
	So, I guess bringing it back to the dating talk here.
	So when your first message to Annie, if I recall correctly, was something like you saw on her MySpace that she had been an escort.
	And is that what caught your eye?
	Or was like what?
	What was your first message to her on MySpace?
	Well, what caught my eye basically about her was mainly when I could tell out of her paragraphs of stories and whatever, her heart was just so genuine.
	And she really was dedicated to her faith, which was something I missed in former relationships.
	And I really felt like that was something.
	Actually, after my divorce to my first marriage, I made a list to myself of what I would want to be in the next person I would be with.
	But it would have to match so well that it would have to be God that would bring it to me.
	And then all of a sudden, when I met Annie, God went above and beyond the list that I created for myself.
	Because that's true.
	That's what happens.
	You don't know what you want more than what God knows what you want.
	He knows what you need.
	Actually, what you need.
	So for me, for me, it was important to stick to that.
	And then meeting Annie and seeing how she was personally and in real life and dating her and seeing those awesome attributes in her.
	That's what sealed the deal.
	Just watching her, how she was around kids.
	I have kids.
	I had three kids.
	And watching her with my kids was unbelievable.
	Her heart was so genuine and so loving.
	And so for me, that meant so much.
	As well as How her faith was so solid.
	And to me, that meant more than what her past was.
	Her past was meaningless.
	She was forgiven for her past.
	She's a different person.
	Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.
	I mean, did you have, were there any reservations or any concerns?
	No.
	I had no reservations.
	It was one of these, it had to be a divine thing because I could have been that way.
	But to me, it was like, why?
	I mean, what is that going to, how is that going to benefit myself to keep holding on to something like that that, you know, it really doesn't matter because she's now new.
	She's transformed.
	And I believed it wholeheartedly because I watched her.
	I saw her talk.
	I saw her love for other people.
	And that's what changed my heart about any of that.
	I didn't have to even ask her about it.
	I mean, but was there anything like any concerns in terms of, well, she had done this kind of work or she had been with a lot of men.
	Was that ever even crossed her mind?
	Never crossed my mind.
	Never crossed your mind.
	Yeah.
	You're a strong man for a few years.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think it's that difficult.
	Okay.
	You're a godlike.
	I really don't.
	If you've got the Holy Spirit in you, then you are just, you see her with the eyes of God.
	Okay.
	I love that.
	Yes.
	Yeah, that's unconditional love.
	And I think earlier on in the conversation, Annie, you had mentioned something about, I forgot, I don't want to misstate your words, but you said something about ways in which you guys are married, correct?
	The ways in which your husband has to put up with you.
	I think that's what you said.
	And so what did you mean by that?
	Like, do you feel like puts up with you?
	Like, oh, if I have any trauma episodes or if I get triggered or something, he's like designed for me to be my pillow.
	Okay.
	To comfort me in those times when I can't handle a situation and I freak out.
	And that does happen when you have, you know, complex trauma.
	Yeah.
	And most ladies that I've met that have left, you know, coming to us for help, by the way, us not trying to find them.
	These beautiful souls that come to us because they're completely traumatized by the way they've been treated.
	It's really important that they're with people that understand that they're going to have sometimes trigger moments or just moments that they're going to freak out.
	But it's okay to be that way.
	It's okay to be yourself.
	It's okay not, it's okay not to be okay, in other words.
	I'm not talking about becoming a mass murderer or destroying a house and breaking all the windows and you know things like that.
	You need to really get help.
	But any type of thing that I might do, and I'm not saying anyone would do anything like this, but like, I don't know if I, gosh, what would it be, honey?
	Because I can't think of something.
	I mean, except for what happened this morning, let's just put it this way.
	Nobody's perfect.
	Yeah.
	Everybody's broken.
	Even me.
	Okay.
	Every human in this world is broken.
	And there are things we all have to learn to maneuver around each other with.
	That's why the band Striper has been together for 40 years because we've learned how to love each other well.
	Sure.
	And you have to do that in a relationship.
	What I think is really cool is because you're a musician, so you probably experienced women that were sex workers probably just throwing themselves at you.
	That's funny that you say that.
	And that's what's so interesting because it's like there must have been something really different about her because there probably were other women that were like, you wouldn't look past their past.
	Like you chose to look past her past, but other people, you were like, I'm okay.
	Like, I'm not going to proceed.
	That's really cool.
	Well the thing about, again, because I was a faithful believer in my Christianity, it taught me that I have to put the woman that I'm planning to be with or I guess you could say I pursue.
	I have to be a person that's faithful.
	And I can't just let every woman be a distraction for me.
	That was one of the things that kept me donated $100.
	Hookers for Jesus is literal blasphemy.
	Straight up fraud.
	Kids with another woman that you abandoned for rock and roll life and married a literal hooker.
	No shitty old broken hashtag grab the rocks.
	Yeah, and hey, he who is without sin casts the first stone.
	Okay, anyway.
	So, I mean, if anything, guys, I mean, this was divine.
	Yeah.
	It's a divine union.
	This was not something that just happened out of nowhere.
	In my opinion, I believe that there is a God and that he put us together because he ultimately knew what we both needed.
	I think it's also extremely important to realize that you guys didn't just like, because I mean, you were divorced and you had a promiscuous lifestyle.
	And there's obviously baggage that came with that.
	But working through that, like turning to God and seeking, like, how do I deal with this?
	There is grievous sin in my life.
	And I've had sin in my life that I've had to work through.
	But like working through that, I think is a very important step that a lot of people, obviously it's not comfortable to go through, but it's necessary.
	And I think you guys have done that beautifully.
	And I commend you for that.
	I mean, that's why your band is stuck together.
	That's why your marriage has survived.
	Because you put yourselves in the position where we need to work through this and we're going to do that together.
	It's going to be hard.
	It's going to be difficult, but I told you till death do us part.
	And I mean that.
	You know, I want to just say something, Mason.
	It's the weirdest thing because we get asked, do you guys fight?
	Do you guys have a lot of arguments?
	And can I just tell you just in front of you too?
	I could probably count on one hand how many times we really argued where it was very serious.
	I mean, I could think of the two times only.
	Two times.
	Like the two things, you know exactly what they are too.
	It's right when we first got married and that one time you got sick.
	Anyway.
	So, but other than that, simple, silly arguments.
	And before we go to bed, we kiss each other.
	I love you.
	We love the same TV shows.
	We're total trekkies.
	We love sci-fi.
	We just click like it's like peas and kaots.
	You know, that's, I can't explain it.
	Like, and I, it's like.
	I think that's important.
	Yeah.
	Like, I think you obviously respect your man and like and you love your wife.
	So there is there is that we like this has to work and we need to be able to do that book too by the way.
	The praying wife.
	I would love and respect.
	I would die for this woman.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Like Christ died for the church.
	Well.
	Yeah.
	He quotes that a lot.
	That's what I'm taught because I learned that.
	That's what I'm encouraged with.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, that's the reason why I think I would tell my daughters, hey, find a good Christian guy that's, you know, I know what comes with it.
	I know what he's being taught.
	Yeah.
	He's being taught to love you like Christ loved the church and died for it.
	Yeah.
	To me, that's important.
	He knows how to be a man.
	He knows how to stick to his gun.
	That's right.
	And he knows how to protect the people that are in his life.
	Yes.
	Something powerful that you said that I was speaking to earlier is how you had to become basically like what you wanted to attract with her.
	And I just think that's so beautiful.
	And that's literally what I was saying earlier when I was saying, like, with sex workers, we attract a lot of the same people and it basically around like the energy that we're in.
	And so we're attracting these like sapar, like shitty relationships, but it's literally just God trying to provoke us into seeing ourselves, you know?
	Wow.
	Yep, absolutely.
	We're going to transition into the after show for 20-ish minutes or so, 25 minutes, then we're going to wrap up the show.
	Oh, can we get the lights going, Maddie, if you can get the lights going on?
	So we've lowered the TTS threshold.
	We've lowered the read threshold.
	It's 20 and up to read/slash/answer.
	TTS is set to 69 and up.
	That should be working as of right now.
	So if you guys want to get any of last-minute questions in, and then we're going to wrap up here.
	We're going to wrap up here very shortly.
	So I'm trying to think.
	By the way, there's a con, I don't know if you guys can hear.
	There's a concert going on.
	You play in afterwards.
	Not me.
	I'm off.
	You did this, didn't you, honey?
	Yeah, so before we wrap up, does anybody have any final thoughts or any?
	Oh, I wanted to pull up your Instagram.
	Let's pull up Annie's Instagram.
	Oh, I've got two of them.
	Let me counter the other guy's attacks/slash statement.
	Dude, your music literally played a huge role in saving three of my buddies, lives, and souls at my church camp growing up.
	TA checks for listening to him.
	God rocks.
	Wow, wow.
	There you go.
	Hell yeah.
	Striper.
	Sweet.
	Thank you, Jeremy.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Wait, what were we going to pull up?
	Oh, the Instagram.
	Annie's Instagram.
	Hookers for Jesus.
	Yep.
	Scroll down.
	I just want to read some of these.
	Scroll down.
	I like the color.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I love my colors.
	I like the color scheme.
	It matches your hair.
	These are all my quotes, I say.
	My little girl.
	Do you do the graphic design?
	No, I have some people that do it for me.
	Yeah.
	Pretty good.
	They got it.
	They really take whatever I say literally.
	Sometimes I'll talk to them on the phone and then they'll quote, What'd you say?
	And they'll write it down and they'll put it on there.
	That's good shit.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Some similar graphic design.
	I just followed you.
	Whoever's doing it, you got to give them a raise as well.
	Yeah.
	They're doing a good job.
	Oh, don't tell them that.
	Oh, no.
	Hey, Maddie, can you get this light?
	The blue?
	No, no, no, this one.
	The one that's on the ground.
	If you're able to get that one.
	Oh, I see it.
	Hey.
	Yeah, we got some lights going, you know, doing a little after show.
	Do you know how to do it, Madison?
	It's wonderful.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, we got Manas Takama.
	I'm without sin.
	You are correct, blasphemous.
	You got to be right next to it.
	Heathen, and I will cast the first stone at your fake ass.
	I'm assuming.
	Please, Oz Fox, explain your way to Christ for us and how it is not blasphemy.
	He's saying you're.
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	Bro, no, there's no condemnation in Christ.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's all there is to it.
	If he knows his scripture, he knows where that's at.
	Okay.
	And I'm not condemned.
	I'm saved, and I'm going to be in eternity someday because I dedicated and surrendered completely my life to Jesus Christ and his teachings and his ways.
	Repent and believe.
	Yeah.
	I have a question for Oz.
	Yeah.
	What takeaways did you have from your previous marriage that you considered finding a new woman after divorce?
	Well, I'll start by saying my first marriage of 20 years, I don't believe was a mistake.
	Okay.
	I believe we have three beautiful children from that, and we had really good times.
	Unfortunately, my first wife was not, she just, when the band got back together and she just did not like that lifestyle, and she wasn't, I guess maybe I wasn't making her happy or whatever it was.
	And of course, like I said, that goes along with learning how to forgive and all that, which, you know, I guess everybody's different.
	Everybody's broken.
	Right.
	So, and we're, by the way, we're all good friends.
	Yeah, we are.
	We hang out.
	But what I did take from it was after the breakup and after we went through all of the heartbreak and whatever, one thing I did learn was that my faith in God is what kept me sane through the whole thing.
	It gave me the peace, gave me the strength, and gave me the hope to know that God had a plan for my life.
	And so all of that teaching just came right into my heart, right from the word that I read, that I studied, all of the teachings that I got from so many pastors.
	I mean, we're talking like dozens of pastors that I was friends with or had something to do with that would support me and give me some kind of counsel.
	I was able to find strength in all of that.
	And I think it was all given to me because God had his eyes on me, which led me to find someone like Annie and helped me to appreciate her even more.
	And as far as what happened in the past, I mean, my first wife is the one, my pastors wouldn't let me file for divorce so that I would be blameless.
	Because I had to wait to see if it was going to be something that I guess you could say in the eyes of Christianity, if I would divorce her, it would be me making a decision where it wasn't me.
	She made the decision to file and say, okay, it's over.
	I don't want to be married.
	I mean, yeah, the Bible even talks about it.
	If your spouse is wanting to leave you, then you aren't to be like, you're not allowed to do that.
	But I mean, so as a Christian, there are two ways where a divorce is lawful, and that's for infidelity, in which case you have the choice.
	Or your spouse is not performing their spousely duties.
	Or they abandon.
	Exactly.
	So if husbands have abandoned their wives, they're not paying for them.
	They're not providing for them.
	Well, even.
	And then the wives are not providing for their husbands.
	Well, no, not necessarily providing.
	Let's just say.
	In my case, it would be leaving the relationship.
	When a person leaves the relationship, says, I don't want to be married to you anymore, whichever it is, and hands you papers of divorce.
	Yeah, that's not your, that's out of your control.
	No, yeah, exactly.
	And the Bible says to let them go.
	Yeah.
	You have to let them go.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong with reconciliation, but if the other person doesn't want to reconcile them, then it's out of your hands.
	Yeah, you can't fight.
	And that's my scenario.
	Yeah.
	And it's good.
	That's the route you chose.
	It's tough, though.
	It's not an easy road.
	No, that's extremely difficult.
	Those are my nightmare scenarios.
	i am sitting alone at night i am terrified that stuff would happen to me don't manifest it i pray i pray i pray to god that like but but listen to me bro I'm going to be honest with you.
	That's where your faith comes in, man.
	Exactly.
	If you get in a relationship, it could be the most perfect relationship ever.
	And there's ways that the other person, if they're not.
	I mean, I've read Job plenty of times.
	Okay.
	I know.
	It can change.
	Things can change very quickly.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, you know, your only true hope is in God.
	And I agree.
	What he does in your life.
	Is he really enough?
	If everything in your life was taken away, is God enough?
	Absolutely.
	And that's what happened to me, too, you guys.
	Sex work.
	I hit rock bottom.
	Yes.
	That's why I say that sex work.
	I had so many top boxes, actually.
	But this was the worst was my overdose.
	And I was.
	You know, I want to say we had a girl who was on this.
	I'm totally derailing the conversation.
	Her father was in Rat.
	Was it what?
	Wow.
	He was in RAT.
	I was on that show.
	The band.
	Oh, RAT.
	RAT.
	Okay.
	You know, Rattle.
	I know the guys from RAT.
	And we know Stephen Piercy.
	Trying to remember.
	We were just hanging out with him a couple months ago.
	Crosby.
	Oh, Robin.
	Robin died.
	He passed away.
	Yeah.
	Her daughter was as a guest on the show.
	Okay.
	Awesome.
	Let me get a couple of these chats here.
	We have Jeremy in Vegas to Modest.
	Learn Humility and Grace, my dude.
	Oz is no fraud.
	And Annie's work with Metro's Beyond Stellar.
	Step Off, Brother.
	I've got C notes too, and I can go all night.
	Jeremy!
	Come on, Jeremy.
	Jeremy, if you're who I think you are, dude, you better drop one more.
	Say something else.
	We know who Jeremy is.
	Hakama.
	It's that same Jeremy.
	It's Hiccough.
	It's that white, crunchy fruit.
	Fruit, Mexican.
	Mexican food is planted.
	Yeah, it's really good.
	It's like a white, crunchy fruit.
	Oh, yeah, Jicama.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Who knows?
	Well, that guy.
	That's cool.
	We have Bang, Bang, Lulu, Forced, Gump, and Jenny.
	Happy Ending.
	Christ is King.
	It's because I said peas and killets.
	Okay, we got Nickelodeon here.
	Let's get this straight.
	Beta male is left by wife, goes on to MySpace to search for a prostitute.
	She won't sleep with him unless he marries her.
	So he proposes, damn, glad you're happy.
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	I got to read that shit.
	People have funny ways of twisting things, don't they?
	I'll read the rest.
	Maddie's reading the rest of these.
	That's awesome.
	Oh, we have a couple things to react to.
	Wait, what was the first one we were going to pull up, Nick?
	Oh, yeah.
	Today is International Men's Day.
	I forgot to mention that.
	Let's go.
	I forgot to mention that.
	Make a party.
	Let's get it.
	Yeah, I forgot to mention that in my intro I was going to, but it slipped my mind.
	This is from an Instagram called The Tin Men, The Tin Men.
	Can you just in the scroll the images?
	No, no, no, it's, yeah, it's just a bit to your, yep, that one.
	It's International Men's Day, a day to celebrate the wonderful men in our lives, the essential role they play in society and families, and to raise awareness around the various issues that impact them.
	Next.
	Just don't say it too loud.
	Anyways, you guys should definitely check out this blog post from the Tin Men.
	We won't look at the whole thing just because it's long.
	But yeah, Nick, you can scroll through all of them.
	Just give each page like a second or something.
	But yeah, it's International Men's Day, guys.
	So, you know, just thought I'd bring it up.
	This is a very good, this is a really good resource.
	Oh, yeah, the UN tried to make it World War II.
	World Toilet Door.
	What?
	Wow.
	That's so typical.
	Is it not typical?
	It's because we know what they stand for.
	Man-hating organizations.
	Wow.
	The United Nations.
	Yep, the UN is out of here.
	The UN is cucked.
	UN is useless.
	UN is cucked.
	Down with the UN.
	I agree.
	Next one.
	Yeah, the United Nations officially observes eight different days for women and girls.
	International Day of Women and Girls Science.
	Yeah, the UN is super cocked.
	International Day of Women judges, but they don't, and zero for men, all of those, but they don't acknowledge any for men and boys.
	Oh, and then there's this GQ thing that half of the men of the year were women.
	Hello?
	GQ.
	And the woman of the year is a little bit more.
	Oh, this is a good one, too.
	Like all the Google doodles, like it's for International Women's Day, there's a Google Doodle, but there's never been a Google Doodle for International Men's Day.
	So, you know, we got to talk about equality.
	What's going on?
	You're messing up.
	I think a lot of people disrespect the masculine.
	They do, they do.
	It makes me upset that I can't stand the whole, I guess, rhetoric of like, just even on social media, everybody going in on the masculine.
	Yeah, I love a man-man.
	I love a man-man.
	I think money, just people, people at the human develop masculine, and they think that's like the entirety of men.
	It's just, it's the masculine energy is beautiful.
	You know what I mean?
	We need it.
	I would say most men out there are terrible examples of what manhood really is.
	Yeah.
	Goes for a woman, too.
	Yeah, I agree.
	And there's a lot of churches that are terrible examples of Christianity.
	Yeah, yep.
	That is absolutely 100%.
	Remember, remember the 19th of November.
	Please tell me the masseuse.
	Hold on.
	Please tell me the masseuse to spare me when she overthrows the government.
	She doesn't speak useless, by the way.
	That was clever, though.
	Remember, remember the 5th of November.
	The gun something treason and plot.
	Does anybody know that?
	I can't remember.
	It goes like remember, remember the 5th of November.
	The gun something treason and plot.
	Okay, whatever.
	Thank you, stochastic.
	Stochastic Guy Fox to K.
	Okay, he changed his username just for that.
	Very cool.
	What was the other thing we were going to pull up, Nick?
	There's another.
	Oh, the TikTok.
	Let's do the TikTok.
	yeah go full screen with it and we're gonna um you didn't refresh it did you No, sir.
	No.
	Because I put it on two speed.
	All right, I want everybody's reaction to this.
	Oh, can you mute it, Nick?
	No, but it's.
	I want your guys' reaction.
	Oh, can you mute?
	Again, no, I mean mute it on TikTok and then just unmute on.
	Okay, go ahead.
	What do you guys think?
	Look how romantic this is, guys.
	Wait.
	Oh, petals.
	Look how, you know, a lot of women might wish, you know, this is super romantic, guys.
	Oh, what?
	Whoa, whoa, what?
	What just happened?
	I got something.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait, me.
	That's me.
	What just happened?
	That's incredible.
	Oh, he went in the kitchen solid.
	Nick, pull it back up.
	Oh, okay.
	Go.
	I was like, why is she mad?
	Go to the speed.
	Just change it to one.
	Now the daughter's going to yell at her boyfriend, too, or her husband.
	Change it to one?
	I thought it was because she was wearing shoes and stepping on the roses.
	Go ahead, play.
	You don't have to play from the beginning.
	It's not really me.
	This is me and my partner.
	Such romance.
	See, right leads right to the dishes.
	Donated $69.
	Oh, here it is.
	Remember, remember that.
	The first of November of gunpowder, treason, and plot.
	I see no reason the gunpowder treason.
	Oh, dirt.
	Thank you, Grid One Motor Sports.
	Thank you for all your patronage tonight, men and previous shows.
	You're a legend.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much, man.
	That's a great movie, by the way.
	I love it.
	I love V for Vendetta.
	I feel like a lot of shit that's going on in V for Vendetta.
	I've never seen that movie.
	I like Dark Knight.
	Oh, I love Dark Knight.
	I like Dark Knight.
	Yep.
	Chris Benolan.
	Best.
	I love Dark Knight.
	I've probably seen him like 20 times.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Your daughter loves that movie too.
	Sarah.
	Our daughter.
	Our daughter.
	Let's see.
	What else do we have here?
	I'm trying to think if I had other notes.
	Oh.
	There were two videos.
	This, okay.
	This is like this girl sent, she posted some stories and she's a hater.
	She's a hater of the podcast.
	I don't know if this is the first one.
	There's two.
	I don't know what the order is, but they're pretty funny.
	And I want to show this.
	I was meaning to react to this months ago because she sent this a while back.
	Let me see if this is the first one.
	Go ahead, play it, Nick.
	All right.
	Respect to all the girls that are on those like stupid ass podcasts.
	But I know for a damn fact that you guys are that the people who run these podcasts are only like picking like the dumbest people to go on their show so that their producer doesn't sound or the guy who's like in charge doesn't sound dumb.
	But if you guys stop for a minute and pick people who know their worth and like are like not dumb, aka me, you guys won't even upload the video because you guys would literally sound so dumb.
	Like I would literally make you sound so dumb that you will be so embarrassed to freaking even upload the video.
	But anyways, that's besides the point.
	I'm gonna answer one of the little questions.
	So the question was, should a guy pay on the first date?
	Of course the guy should pay on the first date.
	And here's why.
	Because a man is a provider.
	A high value man is a provider, according to Agitate.
	So therefore, if he pays for the dinner or whatever, the date or whatever, he's showing me that he's a high value man because he's showing me that he can provide.
	Simple.
	Simple.
	And I'll.
	There's another video.
	Yeah.
	So she says that we would be too scared to upload the video if she was on the podcast and she called.
	First off, exactly.
	I think she wants to be on.
	I think she wants you to be able to.
	Here's the crazy thing.
	So she made an Instagram story and tagged us and I saw it.
	And I like if somebody sends that, I'm like, come on, come on.
	Okay.
	Come be on the podcast.
	I'm not, if somebody says, even if they're kind of being a little whatever, insulting like that, I'm never going to be like, well, fuck you.
	No, I'll be like, you're welcome to come on the podcast.
	I'd be happy to debate you.
	And then she ducked for like two months.
	She ducked for two months.
	And then she ended up blocking us because I kept it.
	She faced accountability, and that's what happened.
	No, a lot of the women who, and I know we're reacting to just one specific clip, but there's a lot of people on Twitter who talk a big game.
	Like, oh, if I went on this podcast, I'd fucking blah, They're always critics.
	They always say, oh, you bring on these types of women.
	I judged you.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah.
	But it's like, and then I invite them and I'm not mean.
	Like, even if they've talked shit, I'm never like, fuck you, come on the podcast.
	I'll fucking own you.
	I'm just like, I'm just like, here we go.
	See, we'd love to have you.
	Like, come on.
	Come on the podcast.
	I send them my typical invite and they always duck.
	They always dodge.
	So a lot of these shit talkers, a lot of girls like that whole thing.
	All hat, no cattle.
	She's actually like, we do like background checks for every single person, making sure they're smart.
	Like Brian, I think it's how you market because I had a prejudgment of you two.
	And I was just like, you know what?
	I'm just going to come and run it and like see what happens.
	And I'm happy I did.
	I feel like it went great.
	So I was saying people are smart in different ways too.
	But I had the same thing.
	Like, oh, they always pick all these dumb girls.
	But it's like the way you explained it.
	Like, look, we try to get this and this and this, but all these people just duck out.
	I literally think it's because of your market.
	Not that it's bad.
	I mean, it's working.
	Viral clips.
	But you come off more intimidating than you are.
	Like, I'm not even kidding.
	I'm not kidding.
	I have danced.
	Like, I'm not even going to say it because we're on the air, but I have danced and like been with some people.
	Okay.
	Some high-profile people.
	And I don't know why.
	I was shaking on the way here today.
	I don't know why.
	And then I met you and I was like, oh.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	I'm a softie.
	I'm a nice.
	I want to tell you, though, Chase, when I was on here before, Chase is a little Dickens.
	He's a little Dickens sometimes.
	I don't know who Chase is.
	You don't know him, but he's.
	I only know.
	It would have been fun if he was here.
	I would have, I kind of, I got a little heart for him.
	I mean, I told my husband, I was like, I hope Chase is there.
	I'm secretly hoping Chase is going to be here.
	And Jonathan, too.
	But anyway.
	I thought it was, it was really.
	So you're saying you've like when you were involved in stripping, maybe you said you knew some men.
	Are you talking like athletes?
	I thought you meant like gangsters.
	Oh, yeah, and gangsta.
	Oh my god, one time.
	I'm more intimidating than one time.
	Can I tell you?
	I actually have a video I could pull up.
	Watch out, bro.
	Podcast host.
	Masculine energy.
	Masculine energy.
	I was talking about the divine.
	Yeah.
	Who had all these chains on, and he used to come see me at my club all the time.
	Shameless Plug, Crazy Girls, Hollywood, okay?
	Great club.
	But he used to come see me there all the time.
	And my friends would be like, why are you hanging out with that guy?
	And I didn't understand why they were so triggered.
	Mind you, he had grill rubies in his mouth and on his hand.
	Oh, shit.
	He had like 20 necklaces on with all these girls' names.
	And I was just like, like, I didn't know.
	And my friend's like, that's a pimp.
	Like, what are you doing?
	And I'm like, oh my God, I thought he just liked me.
	And that's what pimps do.
	They like groom you.
	Of course.
	Oh, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Modest Hakeemer donated $69.
	Genesis 38:24-Your daughter-in-law Tamar has played the harlot.
	And behold, she is also with child by harlotry.
	Then Judah said, Bring her out and let her be burned.
	Burn her rocks.
	Miss Chase.
	Harlotry.
	That's a that was Judah's fault.
	He was the one to blame for that.
	He became a buyer at that point.
	He did.
	Well, she was married or going to be married to one of Judah's sons.
	And then the son died.
	So that put her in a position.
	So she obviously kind of was panicking.
	Because she needed a dowry.
	She needed something to happen.
	And I guess he, what did he do?
	Did he throw her out of the family or something?
	And she ended up going on the road meeting as he.
	She would be in prostitution if you know.
	She dressed up like a harlot so that she would trick Judah into sleeping with her.
	It's like he went after her like he was a slave.
	Exactly.
	So he won.
	Willful sinning.
	Yeah, that's the problem.
	It's like, so if Annie here was like willfully presenting herself as a harlot, then that would be a massive issue.
	But you're not.
	So, wait, Mercedes.
	Yeah.
	Are you saying I had you shook?
	Like I'll tell you when we get off air, like the people that I've like encountered, like been in deep relationship with, but I was, I don't, I literally, I'll show you text.
	I was like, I don't know why I'm so freaking nervous to come on this damn podcast.
	Shit, I was praying.
	You don't even know the prayer.
	I don't even know where they came from.
	The prayers from deep in my loin.
	I was like, Jesus, take the whale, please.
	I guess I got some of these girls shook.
	I don't know.
	I'm in the middle of the day.
	That's how you market.
	It's, you know, I think that people are just afraid of looking wrong.
	Candace Owens destroys what I love.
	No, I actually don't agree with Candace Owens, a lot of her views, but I appreciate the fuck out of her because she's a woman who uses her voice.
	She's a strong woman.
	She's brought you on.
	And she uses her platform to express her beliefs.
	And so I could acknowledge that and be like, wow, that's so beautiful.
	But I don't agree with everything she says.
	I was in shock.
	I got a couple chats here.
	We have LPE Luce P. Energy.
	Fook that high-calorie 304 Brian, get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Abdul?
	Yeah, get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Who is he speaking about?
	Oh, not anybody here.
	He's the girl on the video, which we have another part two.
	Annie, I recognize you from Peter Santonello's YouTube video from when he was in Vegas.
	Enjoy hearing your stories very much.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	We have Matt Texas.
	Big props to Oz.
	Thank you for your music and ministry and for helping me half-ruin my voice singing Striper.
	Wait, oh, yeah, can we hear a little something?
	Maybe a little 30 seconds.
	Oh my gosh.
	Which song?
	Well, close your eyes.
	You got punches.
	Like I told you, I know some Beatles songs.
	Let me see.
	Let me try one.
	But when I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom.
	Let it be.
	Okay.
	Tyring.
	I'm Terry.
	Love it.
	Oh, we got a grid one here.
	Brain, what a video.
	For me, being on the pod would be nothing but hell.
	First Comifornia is an L.
	And I'm even more acerbic in person and might say something I really mean and hurt feelings.
	Oh, grid one.
	How are you going to do me like that?
	How are you going to call me brain, son?
	Grid one, thank you, though.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	I think we have another one.
	We got Jeremy.
	Jeremy in Vegas donated $69.
	Jeremy in Vegas 1119 backeth off thy hyperspirituality and looketh in thy mirror before casting a stone.
	I agree.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What chapter's there?
	No.
	All right.
	That's me.
	Jeremy.
	I mean, oh, let's the second video.
	Nick, I think you need to scroll one more.
	Oh, yeah, you can do full screen.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, go for.
	Oh, yeah.
	We gotta wait for Jeremy here.
	Were these back to back, or did she do one one day and then one of them later?
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Most of us core as in 9 underscore logic underscore ever donated $69.
	that creed in the vid was like men are we got the part two should show me they can provide and pay on the first date i'm like women are sexy so show me you can take dick plus gag on this on the first day Whatever this is.
	It's okay.
	All right.
	Creta.
	I personally could relate that video.
	Shit is crazy.
	All right, let's pull up.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We got the part two here for you, man.
	Tell us what you think.
	So before you guys are like, oh my God, Chasm, but what's a woman's job?
	Like, a woman's job is just simple.
	She is showing you that she is available for you.
	Like, by going on that date with you, she's putting all her plans on pause, giving you her ability, or like, what is it called?
	Like, giving her, giving, basically giving you her time, which makes her, which is showing you that she is submissive and allowing you to be part of her day.
	Doesn't didn't Entertain say that a high-value woman is submissive?
	She's already showing you that she's submissive by agreeing to going on that date with you because she could have simply just said, No, you're too, you're broke.
	You're about to go.
	She could have simply just said that.
	She could have said that, and like that would have been the end of it.
	And that she's, she's a bad woman.
	Like, she's not, she's not a high-value woman or whatever you want to call it.
	Or maybe she just has standards.
	But she's even a green.
	So you should act like a high-value man too and pay for the dinner.
	Common knowledge.
	Common.
	She would do that.
	Great on the pod.
	I think she.
	I think I should DM her.
	I should message her.
	You could try.
	I honestly, I don't even.
	I shouldn't deceive her.
	I asked a couple other people to DM her too to see if she'd come on, but she cowards.
	Seduce her and she's on the side.
	She cowers.
	You know, it's interesting.
	This is something I thought about right when I was watching that girl.
	Was you not how guys compare their, you know, they sometimes like to compare their sizes of whatever.
	What?
	And I don't know.
	I'm trying to play.
	Now I'm thinking, oh my gosh, you know, do women ever compare their sizes of their nails?
	The length?
	Look over here.
	Look, these are not.
	I usually have my nails like this, and I was like, I just don't want to look like a mommy coming on here.
	I literally never.
	I've never lived a life with nails.
	Me neither.
	Mine are legal usually.
	You know, you said that men compare the sizes of their whatever.
	I went to Florida recently, and I met, I had gone to an IV therapy center, and one of the guys there worked for a plastic surgeon's office.
	And he says men are getting like filler in their area.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	But I mean, I've heard that.
	He said that it makes them feel more confident.
	I'm like, hey, if a dude did that, I would be like, okay, well, if it makes you feel confident, like, I'm okay with plastic surgery.
	I'm okay with filler and everything.
	It's the beauty.
	It's a beauty standard that makes me sad.
	I know, yeah.
	If they feel it, he said it was a couple, it was like three grand or something, four grand, and he said that it's filler, and he said it really, and he showed me before and after pictures on their website.
	They have before I've looked it up.
	Don't ask me why.
	Yeah, but I mean, it's like, I came to think of it.
	I'm like, hey, if it's making them insecure.
	Medically speaking, guys, I mean, there are guys, older men that can't, you know, have those things happen.
	And they have special things that help them that are actually mechanics.
	You guys know.
	Yeah, the button.
	The button.
	There's a hard thing.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, there are those things out there.
	There's also an implant button.
	Yeah.
	It's a plastic thing and things inside.
	And then you have to pump the.
	I mean, that's an actual thing.
	You know, it's not, I'm not making fun of it.
	It's actually something.
	Well, I don't hear a lot of stories now, too.
	But, but, you know, I want to say that I really do appreciate women in their nails.
	I think it's really awesome.
	I wish that I could do my nails, but I don't feel comfortable.
	It's a new era where you have to keep your nails long play guitar.
	But I have them long enough to play pick-pick guitar strings.
	So, you know, there you go.
	There's my contribution to nice, nice.
	Any final thoughts before we wrap up here?
	We got to wrap up here in just two minutes.
	Anybody?
	Anything?
	Had a good time.
	Shaking.
	Yes.
	I'm time to wrap it up.
	Time to eat.
	I'm literally shaking.
	I want to thank you all for having me on.
	That was a long time.
	Yeah, thank you for that.
	This was a surprise.
	It was a surprise.
	I like Spunt Needy.
	That's really well.
	Yeah, thank you for coming on impromptu like this.
	Much appreciated.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for redeeming me, Oz.
	Oh, I have a final thought.
	All women are sex workers.
	No.
	Just about the Quran.
	Just about.
	I love it.
	I'm here.
	I'll send my astrologer for that one.
	I'm deeply offended.
	We just need everyone.
	$69.
	Oz, your take on science and stats with pair bonding.
	Did Annie not pair to you for money and fame?
	Is that really enough for you?
	Sure.
	Great sex.
	Low bank account.
	She rides your coattail, Congra.
	Wow.
	Quick response.
	That is a quick response to.
	You guys waited till marriage, right?
	Yes, we did.
	That's right.
	waited.
	And that was not only her decision, but Aya was already thinking that before she showed me the ring that she had for chastity, so to speak.
	Modest Yakama, you doubt the power of God.
	Yes, that's it.
	There you have it.
	Okay, we have OPC Dawn.
	When will Andrew Wilson's friend Grace Thorpe be on the show?
	She's got great takes on dating.
	I'm not familiar with Grace Thorpe.
	Andrew Wilson, we just had him on.
	I think we're going to have him back on again soon.
	I'll have to check her out.
	Thank you for the recommendation, OPC Dawn.
	And I think we have one more chat here.
	Dr. Clockwork, Brian's intimidating because no one wants to look stupid.
	You're older and better prepped than your guests.
	As I said, both myself and my wife are in the adult industry and want to debate you.
	Who do we contact?
	We'd have to see who you guys are.
	Obviously, you can DM at whatever on Instagram.
	Thank you for the message, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, let's go ahead.
	I need to wrap up the show.
	Nick, can you pull up Twitch really quick?
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Ref, thank for the prime.
	Fuzzy, thank for the tier one.
	Fade out, thank for the prime.
	MSG pain, thank for the prime.
	General disregard, thank for the prime.
	Silent biscuit, thank for the prime.
	And then skiz tech.
	Oh, tiny sunflower thing for the tier one.
	Skiz, dude, thank you again for that big 100 community sub gifts you sent about an hour ago.
	Super Mexi, thank you for the prime.
	Really appreciate it.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Thank you guys.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	All right, guys.
	Let me see if I have any other things here.
	I think we're, that's, that's totally it.
	Okay, guys.
	Um, hold on, sorry.
	The IG video?
	Yeah.
	What, what's that?
	The makeup, like with the makeup?
	No, no, no, no.
	We're not going to, we'll, we'll do that another show.
	All right, guys, last call.
	Hit the like button, please.
	On your way out, thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Big thank you to Grid1 Motorsports, Jay Butler, Raven DT, Cam H LPE, Modest Hikama.
	Did I say it right this time?
	Hicama, geez, I can't get it.
	Stochastic Decay, Guy Fox, Real.
	Yes.
	Oh, revealed.
	No, we can't do that.
	And she doesn't speak English.
	She's, you know, Korean, whatever.
	And just, yeah, just paid masseuse, you know, because I knew tonight was going to be a stressful show, so I had to hire like a massage therapist.
	I don't know if I'm going to, probably won't do it again, but yeah.
	Okay, so big thank you to the wonderful panel.
	Thank you guys for making it to the end here.
	Any women who want to be on the show and you can make it to Santa Barbara, DM at whatever on Instagram.
	The Masseuse listens to Future, mask on, fuck it, mask off, chase a check, never chase a bish.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Much appreciated.
	Let's see.
	We will be live again Sunday.
	Sorry, excuse me.
	We will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We got a very solid show for you on Tuesday.
	We will see you guys next time.
	Actually, let me just double check, make sure we got all the chats.
	I don't want to leave anybody hanging.
	No, I think that's it.
	Okay, guys, we will see you guys next time.
	Thank you so much for tuning in.
	07s in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	We'll see you next time.
	Good night, guys.
	Good night.

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