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2 TOXIC Feminists RAGE QUIT?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #118

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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	I'm Bunny.
	My age is 22.
	And I'm a content creator.
	I don't know.
	I do a lot of different platforms.
	What kind of content creation do you do?
	I do normal modeling.
	I do lingerie modeling.
	I do OnlyFans.
	I do camming.
	I do other sites like that.
	Okay.
	How long have you been doing that for?
	Since I was 18.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Caitlin.
	I'm 19.
	I'm a dancer and I do a little bit of OnlyFans and then that's pretty much it.
	I'm working on going back to school.
	And I'm from going back to school.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What do you plan on studying or what were you studying?
	Philosophy and poli-sci.
	So I just got my associates in May.
	Okay.
	So I'm taking like a little bit of a gap year and then I plan on going back next fall.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Azure aka Bratt Gorin.
	I'm a content creator on TikTok, OnlyFans, and Twitch as well.
	Age?
	And I'm 23.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	Hi, I'm Sava.
	I'm 21.
	I'm a social media content creator.
	I mainly do Instagram, TikTok, and I also do OnlyFans.
	All right, welcome.
	I'm Selena.
	I'm 25.
	I'm an exotic dancer, and I make TikToks.
	OnlyFans or No OnlyFans?
	No, OnlyFans.
	All right.
	Okay, but you're a scripper.
	Yes.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Savannah.
	I'm 26, and I am a barista.
	Barista.
	No, OnlyFans, correct?
	No, no, OnlyFans.
	Okay, barista.
	What kind of barista, though?
	Specifically, a bikini barista.
	Oh, what?
	What?
	So you serve coffee and a bikini.
	Yeah, I like think of Hooters, but like coffee.
	Is it a chain thing?
	Okay.
	What's the name of the chain?
	The one that I work for, I'd rather not say totally.
	Totally fine.
	Totally fine.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Stephanie.
	I'm a stay-at-home full-time working mom.
	I'm a licensed real estate agent, certified personal trainer.
	I'm also studying to be a nutrition coach and in real estate in the state of Tennessee.
	Okay, age?
	I'm 30 years old.
	30?
	God, how many kids do you have?
	Right now I have four kids.
	Four kids.
	I have three and one foster.
	Oh, one foster.
	Okay.
	Are you planning on having more kids?
	If God blesses me with more, I'll take them.
	Gotcha.
	And you said you're a stay-at-home mom?
	Yes.
	Yes, I am.
	I am blessed to be able to work from home so that I can be with my kids.
	Got it.
	Sorry.
	My name is Andrew Wilson, host of the one and only Crucible.
	I'm a right-wing political pundit and a blood sports debater.
	I appreciate you guys having me on this evening.
	My age is 39.
	I have five kids, wife at home, stupid dog named Shep, right?
	The whole nine yards.
	Shrek.
	Shrek.
	Oh, I thought you said Shrek.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	My name's Chase, 28 years old.
	I work as a professional photographer and a branding and marketing consultant.
	All right, cool.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single?
	Talking stage.
	Situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cult harem.
	There's a lot of options nowadays.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship that you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I'm single.
	Longest relationship was a year and a half.
	Gotcha.
	How long have you been single for?
	Maybe like a month or two.
	Depending on what you count that as.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	A month, a month or two, depending on what we counted as.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm pretty single.
	I'm, I think, you know, pretty single.
	What does that mean?
	So there's single and then there's pretty single.
	So what is pretty single?
	Last time I checked, I was kind of in a friends with benefits type of situation.
	But when was the last time I had a conversation about it?
	It's probably been like a week or two since we talked about it.
	But then we'll like go on and off talking for a couple days.
	But I'm like, as of right now, as of today, I'm very single.
	From pretty single to very single.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Very single.
	Is it like the more you think about it, the more single you feel?
	Very much so.
	But my longest relationship was almost three years.
	Almost three years.
	Okay, and I detect a bit of an accent.
	Where are you from?
	North Carolina.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	A little southern or whatever.
	Okay.
	And so you said the last time you talked to this guy who you're kind of sort of not really seeing was a week or two ago?
	Oh, no.
	Like talk to him about the situation that we're in.
	It's probably been like a day since we had a small conversation.
	Like you texted.
	You talked to him or you talked to him about the situation?
	I talked to him yesterday.
	Okay.
	Like yesterday, I'm pretty sure.
	Did you guys break up?
	We were never like dating.
	Like he's my boyfriend.
	It's been like a month and a half since we started.
	Like since we went on our first date and then like we talked and then we are kind of like, well, he's like, I don't know if I want you in my life forever.
	I'm like, okay, so I'm just going to go with the flow.
	I like spending time with you.
	He likes spending time with me.
	We're going to go to the next one.
	Wait, what did he say to you?
	He said.
	Something along the lines of like, I don't know if I want to spend the rest of my life with you.
	Ooh, how did that feel to hear?
	It hurt.
	It hurt a lot.
	I can't even lie.
	But then again, at that point, it had been like four weeks of us talking.
	So it's like, one, how's he supposed to know?
	But two, it's not going to hurt me that bad.
	We did, like, we got close really fast because, like, whenever I'm in any sort of situationship, I'm like moving really fast.
	So I think that put a lot of pressure on it.
	And then he, like, we would have conversations about it.
	And like, we were traveling together.
	And then eventually.
	What is trifling together, man?
	Traveling.
	Traveling together.
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah.
	It's the North Carolina accent sign off.
	And then he kind of went ghost for a little bit after I like sent him this very long message about like me being confused.
	Can you pull up the you have your phone there?
	Why don't you just pull up and read the long message?
	I hope he doesn't watch this.
	Something tells me he probably won't.
	That'd be a funny.
	I hope he doesn't watch this.
	Yeah, obviously, just hearing the details, I don't think he will.
	You're right.
	You never know.
	I did post about it, but okay, we'll see.
	What do you mean you posted about it?
	I just posted on my private story on Snapchat.
	Like my main private.
	I don't know if you understand that concept.
	Well, what did you post?
	Just like a selfie with a link.
	To this, to the podcast.
	Oh.
	Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	Well, what was the long message now?
	I'm curious.
	I want to get it.
	So it's been like a second.
	We believe in you.
	Thank you.
	I'm sorry.
	If you want to move on while I pull it up, I don't know.
	One eternity later.
	How close?
	How much have you guys texted since he broke up?
	So it wasn't even a breakup.
	He just ghosted me for like three days.
	And then he was like, hey, sorry, I blatantly ignored your message.
	Here, I'll move on and you can find the message.
	Go ahead.
	What was the question again?
	Where's your relationship status?
	Oh, okay.
	I'm single and practicing celibacy for the last seven months.
	Good job.
	Not for any religious relation, but just for myself.
	And yeah, I've just been single and not really trying to talk to anybody.
	Okay, so celibate for the past.
	What's the longest relationship you've had?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am completely single and my longest relationship was two years.
	Completely single?
	Yeah.
	What does completely single mean?
	Just like.
	There's not a guy in the picture.
	Not at all.
	I'm not even.
	Not even like texting a guy.
	Nah.
	Come on.
	No.
	When's the last time you went on a date?
	I mean, does a date and a relationship count?
	When was the last time you were taken on a date?
	Months.
	I don't know.
	It's been like a long time.
	How long have you been single for?
	I've been single like about four months, but it was kind of like gone distance a little bit.
	So like even before that.
	Yeah.
	You lived in Dubai?
	Dubai.
	Did he live in Dubai?
	No, he actually lived in Canada.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Are you from Canada?
	No, I'm from California originally.
	Okay, gotcha.
	But so when's the last time you went on the date?
	Exclude like a first date?
	Oh, I think high school.
	High school?
	Yeah, no, I actually like, whenever I've like gotten to the point.
	Whenever I've gotten into like a relationship, like, I don't know, we just kind of like started like as friends and started talking.
	Like, I've never gone on like a first date.
	Sure.
	Started like in a relationship from there.
	Are you in college or were you in college at all?
	Yeah, I was actually originally before I got into social media.
	I was in college for forensic nursing.
	Okay.
	Well, I think that's a pretty typical experience for people in college.
	You're not going on formal dates.
	It's more of like a more casual hangout, either one-on-one or in a kind of a group of friends or going out to a party or something like that.
	So it's not surprising to me that you sounds like you haven't gone on like a more traditional first date, or not frequently anyways.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	Have you been able to find the, here, we'll come back to you on that.
	How long is it?
	Is it like.
	Is that your message?
	Yeah.
	Okay, we'll do a paragraph or two, and if it gets a little bit different.
	I'll try to like scan over the stuff that would take too much time.
	Is that the whole thing?
	Is that your message or his message to you?
	My message to him.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Let's hear it.
	Okay, so he said, I didn't mean to make any of it a confrontation.
	I'm sorry if it's making you feel that way.
	I said, it's not even about a confrontation.
	I mean, I guess it is on my end.
	I just feel like you've been flaky and different, and it hurts my feelings.
	I'd rather you just rip the band-aid off, be blunt, et cetera, so I can go ahead and work on getting over it instead of sitting and pondering on whether or not you're actually interested in me.
	Like, I almost want to apologize for being as intense as I've been, but you started it.
	And literally, the only thing that made me, that made you re-evaluate was me involving, oh my God, my family in our hypothetical marriage situation.
	It's so hard to explain the marriage stuff because where I'm from, people get married all the time because it's a Marine town.
	So contract marriages are like a Marine?
	Yeah, he's a Marine.
	I know.
	Why wouldn't you want to marry them?
	I know.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's a Marine thing.
	There's some money.
	They get money, I think, when they get married, I believe.
	Yeah, they do.
	Yeah, they get a bigger house.
	They get money.
	Yep.
	So I don't know what's going on.
	There's more benefits.
	Yeah, there's more benefits when a Marine gets married.
	That's why they get married.
	Okay, all right, ladies, let's continue.
	From my perspective, so that whole, like, my take on the marriage thing was from my perspective is what I made up.
	Okay, I just wanted to make sure.
	You told me the other day you feel the same as you did before, but you've given me no update on your position on things and certainly no signs of affectionate feelings.
	I thoroughly enjoy your presence.
	Thank you.
	And I want to spend time with you whether or not you're sick.
	And while I can understand you not being in the mood to hang out because you're sick, that's different than how I would act, so it kind of adds salt to the wound.
	I just don't understand.
	And although I think you've been more communicative than most other guys would be.
	Oh, hold on.
	How did this happen?
	Famo vaillido yito raseto.
	Yo, grid one, it's uh we boosted it today just because we have a lot to get through conversationally.
	So we, the read trigger is 100, TTS is 200.
	We just, and we've done this before in previous periods.
	If we bring on a really big guest or we have like a big panel where we just want to make sure we get through everything and make sure that the TTS isn't too disruptive.
	It's not, it's really not about chase.
	It's more so just we have a very big panel tonight.
	I have a lot of questions for tonight, so just want to make sure we can get through smoothly.
	But appreciate your support.
	Shoot me a DM and we can figure it out.
	Just a little bit more.
	I'm so sorry.
	It's all good.
	All of the questions that are swarming my head are being unanswered.
	I told you I'm crazy or whatever, and I expressed to you how intensely I feel things like this, but I think you forgot or something.
	I know this whole message might ruin things even more, add more pressure, whatever.
	But I think I'd regret not fully expressing myself if things were to end between us.
	And maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion, but I think my feelings are drawn from reasonable occurrences.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	Yeah, it was.
	I have so many thoughts about this, but we can continue.
	I tried to be communicative, but like I did.
	I usually like to write down my thoughts in my notes beforehand in this message.
	I did not do that, so I just feel like it was not being smiling.
	How long were you guys seeing each other for?
	Like a month at this point, which it seems very intense.
	But like the first week that we're hanging out, we left the state together and we were together for a whole weekend.
	And we were talking about, like I said, the marriage thing.
	And he was like, I might be falling in love with you.
	And then keep in mind, I'm 19, and like all I've wanted my whole life is to be loved.
	Like, I'm very like, and I talk to my therapist all the time about it, but I'm very desperate for it.
	And I'm, you know, working on that.
	But.
	What's your relationship with your dad like?
	It's, I mean, it's fine now.
	How was he growing up?
	Not good, huh?
	He was pretty absent for the most part.
	And he actually watches this podcast, like the clips of it on YouTube.
	So, but he wasn't around often.
	He was like, whenever I was really young, I would see him all the time on weekends.
	So like every weekend.
	Sure, let's try to get through the relationship status.
	So go ahead.
	I've been single since December of last year.
	I had a situationship thing from February to the beginning of July and currently single.
	I'm not seeing anybody or talking to anybody right now.
	Longest relationship?
	Six months.
	Six months?
	Got it.
	Six months.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am single, and my longest relationship was a year.
	One year.
	Got it.
	How long have you been single?
	About two years.
	Two years.
	Since October 2021, so yeah.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	Well, you can, yeah.
	I'm married.
	I have been married for almost six years.
	This is my longest relationship.
	We've been together for almost seven years.
	Okay, got it.
	No breakups, by the way.
	Very proud of it.
	Nice.
	Yeah, I'm happily married.
	Thank God for that, that I'm happily married.
	But yeah, I've been with the same woman for 18, 20 years, something like that.
	So since you were like 19 or 20 or something?
	Yeah, in my 20s, yeah.
	Okay, 20s.
	Shout out Rachel Wilson.
	His wife is awesome.
	She is awesome.
	She also, by the way, wrote Occult Feminism.
	A little shilling here on the whatever podcast.
	Great book.
	I can't wait to read it.
	Yeah, it's a good book.
	Chase.
	Yeah, my relationship status is currently private.
	Got it.
	And the longest relationship I've ever had was a year and a half.
	All right, cool.
	So for the people who are single, people who are single, you're really single?
	Come on.
	There's a guy, there's somebody in the picture, a guy, maybe a woman.
	Maybe a they.
	Nothing in the picture.
	You said you've been single for what, one or two months, you said?
	Yeah.
	but like you got have you had a rebound has there been i like to see people yeah Sorry, what's that?
	I like to see people.
	See people?
	What is that?
	Like plural?
	I go on dates.
	People ask me on dates.
	Okay.
	And then they take me to dinner.
	They take you to dinner?
	Yeah, and then we like hang out.
	When you say people, do you mean men?
	Do you mean women?
	Mostly men.
	Do you date women too?
	Yeah, not.
	I haven't in a while, though.
	Okay, got it.
	Do you have so previously we've had people on the show talk about having a roster?
	You know, roster, list.
	Anybody got a low that those are two different things.
	So first.
	I think respectfully I have a roster.
	Respectfully you have a roster.
	I respect all of them.
	Oh, you respect all of them?
	Yeah, they got all my love.
	They get all of your love.
	How many you got on the roster?
	Yeah.
	You think I have a list?
	Is it too long to have a list?
	It's too scattered to have a list.
	They're not because they're not in a relationship with me, so they're not there texting me every day.
	What's the size of the roster?
	Ballpark.
	Ballpark.
	Two to seven.
	Two to seven.
	That's a lot of variability.
	It could be two.
	It could be seven.
	You got to get your options now.
	Yeah.
	Two to seven.
	Okay.
	Wouldn't it be a bit more definite?
	Like, I have five people on the roster.
	No.
	Okay.
	Isn't that kind of like saying one to ten, right?
	No, because I didn't say one to ten.
	Could be anywhere between one to a hundred.
	Yeah, what if I said one to twenty?
	And that would be a completely different thing, right?
	So like one to one.
	Modest Heke him a donated $200.
	Chase, sorry for raging last episode.
	Stay based and keep spreading knowledge.
	Brixen Propson Raised TTS, proper move for business.
	Ike, not religious, but Gen Z needs Jesus big time.
	Christ is Lord.
	Amen.
	Hey, no worries, bro.
	Yeah.
	Oh, and also just with the TTS, I think later on in the show that we're, wait, what was that?
	I just made up.
	For what?
	For the guy.
	I was just joking with the chat because I saw it.
	Anyways.
	Okay.
	The TTS.
	We might lower it later on in the show.
	We just want to get through at least the early parts of the show a little smoothly.
	That way we can establish things.
	Wait, what were you at?
	Nothing specific about what they said.
	I like to engage with.
	Whenever there's a what, there's a what?
	A comment.
	Which comment?
	The one.
	It's nothing to do with the comment itself.
	You just like to make mouth farts when somebody sends in a comment?
	Well, I won't again.
	I just like to engage with the chatters, if that's okay.
	Engage with what chat?
	What chat specifically?
	Well, no, no.
	The one that popped up, the TTS?
	Yeah, I'm sorry if I'm not being specific enough.
	Well, what motivated you to make the mouth farting?
	I just thought it was funny.
	I just thought it was funny.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not like being a name.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Don't quit your day job to become a stand-up comedian.
	Let's keep it going.
	Actually, I farted.
	I wanted to hide it.
	I'm sorry.
	Did you actually?
	Do you like that one by the way?
	Yeah, I haven't smoked it.
	What is Guy?
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, this girl.
	next time you should just be like sap does it can you confirm is it just absolutely yeah it actually smells pretty good I kind of like it.
	Usually people like their own brand, but she's kind of like a bad thing.
	No, she's not special.
	Thank you.
	It's my own brand of farts and a jar.
	All right, I feel like we got an interesting show ahead of us, folks.
	Let's go.
	All right.
	Okay, so two to seven guys.
	One to ten.
	Let's see.
	I'll come back to the list thing, actually.
	So you're single.
	Did you say how long you've been single for?
	Sorry if I missed that.
	She said she's pretty single, and then it shifted to completely single.
	Super single.
	Right, recently.
	This is pretty recent.
	well you've always been single this is like so i have i had one or you i had one three-year relationship in high school Like, that was like my most significant.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry.
	My most significant relationship.
	We lived together for two of those years and all that other stuff.
	How long ago did you stop this situationship?
	Oh, this.
	Something like a week, right?
	Yeah, this situation.
	We were literally just chit-chatting a couple days ago.
	Let me ask you a question.
	While you were seeing this guy, were you talking to other people, dating other people?
	Did you have a roster?
	No.
	Kind of had one guy that was living, but he lives like far away, and like I met him like over the course of three days, and we hung out over those three days, and then like he came up to where I live, but we didn't get a chance to hang out.
	So, not really, no, not really, a roster.
	I don't like like this guy, I like totally fell in love with this guy that I knew for like a month.
	I was like, Eight months, yeah, you fell in love, okay, yeah, gotcha, but it's on the rocks, yeah, pretty much.
	Like, it's basically donezo, yeah, yeah, all right, what about you?
	So, you said you're single, you said you've been celibate for seven months, yes.
	Um, prior to the this seven-month celibacy period, how were things looking for you romantically?
	Um, not I just wanted to focus on my career and making money and working because I work a lot, and it's really hard to just sorry, um, it's it's really hard to just balance a lot of work with that.
	Have you been dating at all during because I mean, you could still be dating, but be celibate, right?
	Have you been dating?
	I try to avoid because it's still like if I go on a date, like there's a chance of temptation, right?
	What about you?
	Um, like in terms of like you said, single four months, single four months, nothing, come on, there's there's some guy in the picture.
	Come on, okay, so to be honest, like I've I can't do hookups at all, like I'm too much of a simp.
	Like, I actually didn't even like experience- Stop the cat.
	No, I actually didn't experience attraction to a person until I was around like 17, and I realized it was because I needed an emotional connection.
	That's the first time I ever experienced, like, oh, I can be like, yeah, attractive person.
	When you say you're a simp, how do you, how would you simp?
	Like, you fall hard.
	Yeah, whenever I get into like a relationship, it's like that person and only that one person.
	And it's like, I put kind of like my everything into it.
	So, okay, all right.
	Um, because I mean, you have a pretty substantial following on Instagram.
	I think it's what, 1.0 million, 2 million or something like that?
	Yeah, it's like 1.5.
	And you're a content creator, so I'm assuming that you probably get a lot of DMs, a lot of attention from men.
	I mean, yeah.
	I mean, I do get a bunch of different DMs from, you know, like athletes, rappers, everything kind of in those terms.
	But at the end of the day, like, there's nothing that's going to really come from that.
	So, I personally usually don't respond unless maybe they said something like funny or something like that.
	If they send me like a meme or they send me like an anime recommendation, something like that, then I'm like, oh, this is a cool person.
	You said some athletes, musicians, rappers.
	Yeah.
	Anyone we would know?
	Anyone we might know?
	Yeah.
	Drake?
	Well, no, not in those terms.
	Not in those terms?
	What do you sent you?
	What kind of letter?
	What are you talking?
	Not through the Instagram DMs, but through some other internet.
	I don't know.
	I don't like to talk about my DMs personally.
	I mean, there was like.
	So, Drake.
	Not in those terms.
	Not in those terms, whatever that means.
	No, it was more like an email, but it wasn't for you.
	Did he write you?
	Did he write you a love letter?
	Slid into the Gmail.
	Or was it hot mail?
	What did you do?
	2002 moves or AOL.
	In MySpace, you know.
	Okay, shit.
	How many celebrities would you say have slid into your DMs?
	I mean, quite a few.
	Like, what are we talking?
	15, 20, more?
	I mean, would you include professional athletes, actors, musicians, NBA?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm going to say quite a few.
	Are we talking double digits, triple digits?
	At least double digits.
	How many triple how many NFL players?
	The Thirdiest are always the NBA players.
	The NBA players.
	Oh, my God.
	There's so many basketball players, I swear.
	Okay.
	That's like the top.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Wait, you know what?
	Let's just pull up her Instagram while he's going to be able to get it.
	No, just to see.
	Maybe, you know, just to see.
	And Nick, do you know how to do that?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, how many from the NBA?
	Like 10 to 20?
	More?
	It's like a team, right?
	It's a whole bench.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The whole team.
	Lakers.
	But I also, I won't say anymore because I do realize people come into my DMs, and I don't want to be like that one person.
	No, you don't have to say names.
	We're just curious about the field of their profession that they're in.
	You said rappers.
	Any well, we have two salves here, I think.
	What's your at on Instagram?
	It's sava.sch.
	Wait, it's shit.
	What's it called?
	What are the guys that control the puppets and their comedians?
	What are they ventriloquists?
	Any famous ventriloquists hitting you up?
	Actually, no.
	I hear they go hard in the DMs.
	You say you had ventriloquists.
	Was he good?
	Jeff Dunham.
	Jeff Dunham who DM'd you?
	No, I'm kidding.
	There was a younger TikTok.
	Nick, did you have it?
	I don't have the DM anymore because it was on my old account.
	Okay, oh, 1.5 million.
	Okay, scroll down.
	Lord, have mercy.
	We must stay focused, brothers.
	We must stay focused.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay, good.
	Gem Queen.
	Okay, all right.
	I can actually, I can hip thrust 590 pounds.
	That's impressive.
	Wow, that's awesome.
	Is that like for a woman you want to marry, Chase?
	And Andrew, you're already married.
	Is that would that be like a goal?
	Like one of your green flags if she can hip thrust?
	I mean, not necessarily 600 pounds, but like, I will say hip thrusting sculpts a woman's body in a very nice way.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	James.
	James Sexton donated to him.
	Oh, it's James Sexton.
	gonna have him on the show most quiet i've ever seen andrew the next time i debate him i have to remember to bring a girl to babble about her situationship apparently it's his kryptonite great show the show's just started Andrew's going to trust me.
	We got some good convo.
	Moving into the flow of Mr. Sexton, past the woman prattle.
	We'll get past the woman prattle.
	Are you stifling and allergic to me?
	Speaking of which, speaking of which, James Sexton is going to be on the show.
	He's a divorce attorney.
	That'll be interesting.
	I think he's, James, are you living the bachelor life?
	Are you single?
	Because maybe we could pull up his Instagram Nick.
	Can you pull up James Sexton's Instagram?
	Because we're going to ask the ladies if they would date James Sexton, accomplished and revered divorce attorney in New York City and where else?
	I don't know where else.
	Does he have a big nose?
	Well, why are you asking?
	Is that a deal breaker or a deal maker?
	It's a deal maker.
	Okay.
	What do you think about Brian's nose?
	Is it good?
	You like it?
	He doesn't really know.
	Why did I throw me under the bus?
	No, I got a big conference.
	It's a regular nose.
	I have a feature wife right here.
	It's a reg nose.
	Okay.
	Scroll down.
	He looks like Jordan Peterson to me.
	No, well, not really.
	I don't see it at all.
	He's a handsome guy, you know?
	Yeah, not ugly, but also he's.
	He looks like a news anchor.
	Yeah, I'd probably hit.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, so we'll go around the starting with you.
	You'd what?
	I'd probably hit if I wasn't celibate.
	If you weren't, I'm sorry, James.
	She's celibate at the moment.
	I'm sorry.
	What about you?
	No, I don't think so.
	He's too old.
	Okay, what about?
	Oh.
	Personally, I don't think we'd have anything really to talk about.
	I think there's a fantastic conversationalist.
	Really?
	Never say never, Sav.
	Never say never.
	Like Justin Bieber, Sav.
	Okay, all right.
	No, he's a little too old.
	Absolutely not.
	Wow, okay.
	All right.
	No.
	Well, you're married, so okay.
	Andrew, would you date James?
	That's a tough crowd for you, Sexton.
	I think the no.
	Do you guys have beef?
	I love you, Sexton.
	No, no, no.
	We're like frenemies.
	We debate a lot.
	Oh, okay.
	What did you guys debate?
	Last time we were debating about marriage.
	Okay.
	You were arguing for, he was arguing against, or what?
	Not really.
	It was a little more nuanced in that, but essentially we were arguing from kind of a secular versus Christian framework on marriage.
	Gotcha.
	Actually, just coming back to you really quick, have you ever had a roster?
	Maybe not currently, but have you ever had a roster, like dating two guys, three guys, for example, same time?
	Very briefly.
	Briefly.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	When you weren't celibate, did you ever have a roster?
	Like maybe a main piece and some side hose, you know?
	I don't think of like them.
	It's not like side hose, it's just like dates.
	Okay, have you, I mean, if you object to the terminology I'm using, have you ever dated multiple people at the same time?
	Well, what do you consider dating?
	Because like I consider when I'm dating someone, it's like a kind of romantically pursuing.
	Well, then I've probably dated like a lot of people at the same time, but it's not like they don't know.
	Well, what do you consider dating?
	Like a serious relationship.
	Okay.
	So typically when I think of dating, it doesn't necessarily imply exclusivity necessarily.
	Yeah.
	You could be dating around, for example.
	I just wouldn't be dating multiple people.
	Yeah.
	How many dudes have you seen at the same time?
	Like the most.
	Probably.
	At a point.
	I mean, probably like three to five.
	Three to five?
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Sav, what about you?
	Well, you already asked me, but no, I've never had a roster.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I just prefer to see one guy at a time.
	One at a time?
	Okay.
	Never, but never a little crossover.
	It happens, you know?
	Well, if I'm like sleeping with a guy, it's one guy at a time.
	But if we're not serious, I'll be on.
	I'll go on dates still with other men and stuff, but I'll stick to sleeping with that one guy.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Nope.
	Never?
	Never.
	Zilp?
	Zilp.
	Nope.
	What the fuck is that?
	Okay.
	Wait, I have a question.
	If you're sleeping with a guy, what's the point of going on dates with other guys?
	Well, because I end up in situationships and stuff like that, or like I'm still, it's too early to be like to define the relationship or whatever.
	So I'll just, I like, like her, I'm a simp too.
	I put all my eggs in one basket and it bites me in the ass later on.
	So I'm trying to like not do that and still see other people before they commit.
	Okay.
	The chick that Florida was determined to do so, you see her, you see her blank cavity.
	Bro, okay, I don't know if I want to breakfast this morning.
	Imagine how different things would be if she hadn't.
	Okay, Chaos Law.
	What about McDonald's?
	Like a McDonald's sandwich, like a McChicken.
	Not McChicken.
	What is it?
	McGriddle?
	What?
	Chick-fil-A.
	Wait, what are they?
	That doesn't make sense.
	question that they're asking is how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning i would these are the pressing questions of the whatever podcast I usually don't eat.
	Yeah, I'm very, I'm like, I need to speak very carefully with this one.
	Well, I don't usually eat breakfast, so.
	Right.
	But if you did eat breakfast, what would it be?
	No, no, no.
	How would you feel if you had to?
	Didn't eat Sylvie farting?
	Oh, no.
	Are we talking about her bowel movements right now?
	Yeah, I can't.
	I'm picking up what you're going to do.
	Chaos Law, what's going on, Chaos Law?
	Her DMs are open, Chaos Law, if you want to explore this.
	If you guys want to, now I'm going to get people asking me to fart for them on camera.
	I know that's going to happen.
	What the fuck?
	I just.
	Don't ask me to fart, please.
	So going back to you, you would be hooking up with the guy, sleeping with him, but then you would also, while not sleeping with other men, you might go on some other dates.
	Is that kind of...
	I might if other guys ask me out or they seem interesting, but personally I prefer to just sit around and wait on that one guy.
	Okay.
	Wait on what?
	Exactly.
	Oh, no.
	A commitment.
	The feels.
	Yeah, for him to, like, like me, you know?
	For him to like you?
	You know, for him to be with me.
	I mean, if he's sleeping with you, shouldn't he like you?
	He should.
	Listen, we're from the same town.
	I live in a marine town.
	Like, those marines are playing too much games.
	If it's not mutual on both sides, I feel like you don't hold any accountability for that one person not to sleep with other people if you're dating around.
	That's how I feel.
	Yeah.
	I mean, ladies, don't conflate a guy sleeping with you with him like liking you and wanting to like you and wanting to be with you.
	It's a huge mistake.
	Maybe I move a little differently, but for me to sleep with a girl, I need to like her.
	Same.
	Oh.
	Like if I literally can't sleep with a girl unless I have a strong emotional connection with her.
	And if I sleep with a girl, I want to keep seeing her.
	Like I one night stand is, I mean, unless she does some like obscene, egregious shit immediately after we've hooked up.
	Like, but if I hook, if I have sex with a girl, I want there to be a continuity.
	I want to keep seeing her, so I don't see the point of one night stand.
	Are you a low-key simp?
	Am I a low-key simp?
	That sounds like a sound.
	I'm definitely not a simp behind.
	How is that simp?
	It sounded like simp behavior.
	Wanting a relationship with somebody that you have an emotional connection with is simply a little bit like simp behavior.
	This sounds like damaged perspective, to be honest.
	Behavior.
	Yeah.
	Fatherless babe.
	Wait, are you telling me right now if a guy likes?
	Fatherless baby?
	What's your name?
	My dad's watching the podcast.
	What's your name?
	I'm Azure.
	Azure, that's right.
	Are you telling me if a guy likes a girl and wants to be with her, that's simp behavior?
	Simp behind me?
	No, absolutely not.
	I'm making a joke.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, it was very deadpan.
	It was very deadpan.
	I'm very monotone, so I sound like I'm being rude, but I'm not.
	I'm just.
	Okay, you're being kind of sarcastic, I guess.
	Yeah, but not in bad faith.
	Oh, okay.
	no i i didn't detect the deadpan but same yeah i mean i was actually just i was taking uh i've done a couple things and i feel like you've gotten offended like a like You're like, I'm not trying to be disrespectful.
	You're a little bit hard to read.
	Yeah.
	And the farting noise was off-putting earlier.
	It was a cherry, and I made it because I felt like he thought that I was making fun of whatever.
	Okay, anyways, so you don't think if a guy likes a girl and wants to be with her, he's a simp?
	No, I think that's wonderful.
	I wish there was more people like that, but you guys have different values than some people.
	Or are you just walking back your position because we were about to push back against your position?
	No, I'm not walking back against anything.
	It's not that serious.
	It's the joke.
	Okay.
	It was just a bit hard to detect it because it sounded like you were.
	I'm very deadpan.
	He got the direction.
	that's fine um i think we went around on no roster roster okay Okay.
	On your point, since you brought up that a bunch of like NFL, NBA players have DM'd you, has any other girls here gotten that sort of attention from some like really, really attractive, attractive guys or high-status guys?
	Have you had that?
	Care to specify like NBA, NFL, NHL?
	Badmin and I don't know if badminen's on that level.
	Not sports, guys.
	I don't even watch sports.
	Okay.
	What about like the lead singer of My Chemical Romance?
	Is this your hard way?
	He might.
	I don't think he has a lot of people.
	Never seen ever.
	Does he have a wife?
	Who knows?
	He has a wife.
	I don't know, like bigger content creators, like in the millions.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	No?
	I'm pretty like small.
	I have like a thousand followers on Instagram.
	You never know.
	Sometimes we've had some local college girls who have a couple thousand followers and they have NBA players in their DMs.
	They're otherwise normal women, not content creators, just go to college here and NBA players, NFL players are DMing them.
	Okay.
	Anybody else?
	Have some notable people DM'd you?
	You don't have to say who, maybe just tell us, yeah, an NFL player, NBA player, this rapper, you know?
	Yeah.
	So I used to have an account with 80,000.
	And so I got hit up by the sports players and rappers, but they're like SoundCloud rappers that were like had some sort of hype, but mainly like sports players, yeah.
	Specifically NFL.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Well, I think we've pretty much covered most of my questions related to all your relationship status, relationship history.
	So two questions before we really get into things that I want to ask.
	Going around the table, do you consider yourself a feminist?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	Internet.
	Absolutely.
	What's the first rule of Fight Club?
	So is that a yes?
	You answer the question.
	That's the first rule of Fight Club.
	Yeah.
	So you are a feminist?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay.
	I feel like there are different definitives in today's age that, I don't know, might extend some boundaries on feminism, but I still do consider myself like a feminist.
	But I think there are some kind of, you know, like there's aspects of it that you reject and aspects that you accept.
	Well, I think just in terms of I think everybody should have equal footing.
	And the thing that I don't like is when there's hate towards either gender, and I think that's unfair.
	I consider myself a feminist.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I am not a feminist.
	I am definitely not a feminist.
	I am not a feminist.
	Andrew, are you a feminist?
	Absolutely.
	Not?
	No.
	You asking me?
	Yeah.
	Couldn't be less of a feminist.
	I am the official representative of the patriarchy.
	Let's go.
	Womp, womp.
	I love the patriarchy.
	Give me some.
	What do you mean, womp, womp?
	That's what we're going to do.
	Are you not aware that patriarchy is based?
	I just threw up my mouth.
	Do you know who Reagan would never say that?
	Okay, do you know who owns OnlyFans?
	Oh, snap.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's a white man.
	Yeah, I don't like that.
	But you capitalize off of it.
	Men creative.
	No, they're capitalizing off of us.
	Yeah, so are you?
	No, you are also forced to do that.
	Are you supporting the patriarchy by doing OnlyFans?
	You made an active decision to do that.
	Historically, that wasn't the case for first work.
	And OnlyFans wasn't my first form of sex work.
	Wait, historically, what now?
	Historically, sex work was made by men so they wouldn't rape the good women of the town.
	I just want to come in.
	So they went our word.
	there's been a few responses you've given to questions we are trying to have there's moments to be humorous moments to just answer the question immediately without like the what is the first rule of five club You can just answer the question.
	We gave you pre-show instructions not to say certain words.
	If it's absolutely necessary within the context of conversation to bring it up, use like SA.
	I'm sure you know what that can stand for.
	I was, I, yeah.
	Okay.
	I realized.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead with your point.
	So when sex work first started.
	When was that?
	That probably in the 1800s.
	Sex work started in the 1800s?
	Yes.
	Were there prostitutes?
	Prostitutes started in the 1800s?
	I'm not sure exactly what time, but I would like to say that.
	So you're not sure that sex work or prostitutes started in the 1800s.
	It's historically.
	I'm 100% confident that prostitution did not start in the 1800s.
	Okay, I can assure you.
	Okay.
	So anyway, go ahead.
	So sex workers were forced by men of the town of different towns because they would have wives and good women of the town that weren't considered...
	You can say it.
	You can say sluts.
	That weren't considered sluts or the whores or whatever the terminology.
	So they developed sex work so they wouldn't rape those women.
	Bro.
	And they wouldn't.
	Are you brain dead?
	All right.
	Grid one motorcycle.
	Does he want your life?
	The guy who owns have paid himself $1.3 million a day last year and still owns the billion dollar company.
	You are the product.
	Feminism has failed you.
	How can the patriarchy help you top day?
	Yo, in the samely based comment, grid one.
	Thank you, Grid 1.
	Appreciate it.
	What's your guys' definition of feminism?
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Is there something you want to say?
	Yeah.
	I've never finished my point.
	Wait, but hold on.
	Are you aware of what you just did again?
	You can explain it because I asked you before the show, we said, don't actually say that word just because it fucks with YouTube, whatever.
	You said it, and then not just now, but earlier.
	And then I said, please use the word SA.
	Are you coherent right now?
	Yes.
	Why did you say the word again then?
	I said the word again.
	Are you just not I feel like this woman's a liability So I lost my I feel like she's a liability to the show Well We'll give her more chance, but please.
	I'm trying not to.
	I'm not going to.
	If you need to use that word, just say SA.
	We all know what you're talking about here.
	R word, I understand.
	Or the R-word, I guess.
	What I'm feeling pays for.
	Hey, hey, excuse me one second.
	I think for the sake of your channel, one more strike.
	She's out?
	Depending on what, but please, I mean, we've had to tell you multiple times, okay?
	I understand, yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Continue with your point.
	It started so men wouldn't SA women of the town who are considered whores.
	So it's a job that was developed by men.
	So yes, it's been developed by men through time and OnlyFans is owned by a man.
	What evidence do you have for what you've just said?
	And then Andrew, if you want to come in.
	Yeah.
	So just out of curiosity, I want to make sure I got this right.
	I don't want you to feel cornered.
	I just want to make sure that I'm giving back what you're saying to you.
	Are you saying that small towns in the 1800s developed systems for prostitution so that the men there would not sexually assault the women?
	And yes, and I'm not saying specific, I don't know what time period, but whenever sex work started, yes.
	Whenever that's, well, I mean, sex work's been around for years.
	Yeah, it's been around in America at least, because we're one nation under God.
	It's been around since America's founding.
	Yeah, since America's founding, sex work has been a thing, and it was started to prevent that from happening.
	To prevent sexual assault.
	Because there was good women and women who were considered whores, they like, and that's what they're doing.
	So they would be coerced into that.
	I understand what you're saying.
	So would you say then that you think that women who operate as prostitutes would have been less likely or more likely to get sexually assaulted by men?
	It's a great question.
	Okay.
	The reason why they were even in that job is because they were more likely to be SA's.
	Yeah, but do you think that they would be more likely or less likely to be SA'd as prostitutes?
	The whole point of them not being unsaid?
	He's not asking about the point of them.
	It's a simple question.
	Do you think they'd be more likely or less likely to be SA'd as prostitutes?
	More likely, yes.
	That's just a good idea.
	It's always more likely for sex workers to be essayed.
	So I just want to make sure I got the system right.
	So if the system is just being developed in order to cut down on SA, and yet you're putting women in a position where they're more likely to be SA'd, does that even make sense to you?
	Essay of the good women is just a lot of people.
	I don't know if you're understanding my point.
	I'm talking from a historical where sex work started in the beginning when America was found.
	Like, it's been around for years.
	Where did you hear this?
	Where did you get this information?
	I've looked up multiple articles and historically.
	You wanted to come in, go ahead.
	Because I'd like.
	Yeah, what she's talking.
	So like what you were saying is like, wouldn't they be more likely to, a lot of these women that were put into sex work in times like that, they had already been essayed by the time that they were like of the women.
	They were considered the towns.
	They were seen as dirty, so they were not, nobody wanted to do it.
	Why were they considered dirty?
	Because if they weren't married, if they weren't married, so in other words, the societal standard says to them, our standard is that you can't step out and you can't have sex outside of wedlock, you can't do these kinds of things.
	They did that anyway, violating the societal standard.
	So the men went kind of pushed aside and went, you're undesirable, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, so if they're undesirable, you're saying the only way they could carve out a living is to be prostitutes?
	They didn't make, I'm trying to make a point that they were coerced into doing it to prevent men to not essay the good women of the town.
	Because those men would be married and they would step out of their marriage.
	And so the of the city or the town.
	Do you think that men got around in a table inside one of these towns?
	These women did not decide at the beginning.
	It's decided to be a little bit more than a hundred years.
	Just one second.
	$200.
	Brian, you should have kept these super chats of $99.
	The same is likely this poor gal psyche.
	The delusion is super strong with this one.
	Feminism has nothing to do with anything this girl is talking about.
	Grid one, thank you, man.
	We'll probably lower it later on in the show.
	It's just, we want to get through this early part quickly.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	Andrew, go ahead.
	Yeah, I was just wondering, do you think that men got in a room and they were like talking in one of these towns?
	One's like, hey, Chuck, you know, I'm really worried about the virtuous women of our town being sexually assaulted by Steve over there.
	So why don't we take all the undesirable women and we'll just make them all prostitutes.
	So that that doesn't does that even sound realistic?
	That's where brothels were developed.
	No, that's not how brothels were developed.
	Then can you explain how they were?
	Yeah, brothels are developed because women can make easy coin being prostitutes, and many of them have no skills or didn't desire or didn't desire to have any skills.
	And a lot of people moved.
	A lot of women actually migrated from eastern areas to western areas in order to become prostitutes during the pioneering phase because they made a ton of money during the gold rush.
	So these were choice-based things.
	Nobody forced them into it.
	It's ridiculous.
	I'm not saying it's forced.
	It's that these women were casted out from society for not getting married or being considered.
	Yeah, so they were shunned.
	That's true.
	They were shunned.
	The patriarchy got together and was like, you must be a prostitute because we're shunning you from society.
	You're not even shunned, really.
	You're a social outcast because you're not desired by men because you have violated the rules and norms of society.
	Hold on.
	You go and then you go.
	And then Sav.
	Go ahead.
	You keep talking about.
	Can you scoot your mic this way?
	You're evading my, you're doing a debate thing.
	Excuse me.
	Hold on.
	Stop.
	Go ahead.
	You go, and then Seth.
	So what I said was that these women had already been SA'd before they had ever entered sex work.
	And then you said, though, these were their choices.
	No, but you said that because they're impure.
	So you think that because a woman is impure, someone else has done that to her?
	The claim that women engaged in prostitution because they were SA'd and that's why they engaged is ridiculous.
	You could never prove that.
	That was another point I was trying to make.
	Go ahead, look up any study that you want, that prostitutes were only prostitutes because they had been sexy.
	So do you want me to find a study about how many prostitutes have been sexually sexy?
	Well, that's not the claim.
	The claim that you made was they were prostitutes because they were essayed.
	No, I'm saying that that's what happened before.
	The likelihood.
	What's your point?
	Good.
	I would like to say that the patriarchy is not a group of men, a specific group of men.
	It's like a description or a describing word to or for social structures that we have, you know, ingrained into our society and ingrained into a variety of societies and cultures.
	So it's not just one group of people.
	Also, sex work.
	Shit.
	Who's at the top?
	Who's at the top of that, though?
	Inside of sex?
	There's not an individual that's on top of that.
	Then what's a matriarchy?
	Led by feminine values.
	So then there's somebody on top of the archie, right, that is female in a matriarchy?
	So it depends on what you're using the word for.
	So like when we talk about opposing words, like for different things.
	Yeah, but who's on top in a matriarchy?
	So in a matriarchy, a woman is on top.
	If we're talking about a matriarchal society, but whenever we're talking about a matriarchal society, we're usually using it in a historical context.
	So we're describing how a specific society functioned, like within their households and stuff like that.
	When we talk about the patriarchy in a modern context, we're talking about the qualities and structures that a society has within it.
	So I would say to just throw in a point that kind of correlates with patriarchy, capitalism is a patriarchal structure that we have within our society.
	A lot of society.
	So menu to pay for that.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Oh, sure.
	No, no, no, no.
	You go.
	I was just wondering.
	I just want to make sure I get the definition down.
	So women can be in charge in a patriarchy?
	I mean, a woman could be a manager at a job in a patriarchal system.
	That's not really my question, though.
	I'm trying, so you're saying that this is a developed system, and this is a descriptor for how the West works, or how different nations work.
	You're using this as a descriptor for the systems.
	And the systems are what creates a patriarchal system.
	Can at the top of this patriarchal system exist all female leaders?
	Theoretically?
	I guess if the women were upholding patriarchal standards, then yes.
	So why wouldn't that be a matriarchy then?
	I guess it depends on the definition that you're using.
	Right, that's what I'm using here.
	That's the connotation.
	seems to me that patriarchy has no meaning if you're removing men from being at the top of the Patriarchate right just like oh sorry Just like matriarchy.
	Could you imagine how foolish it would sound if I said, oh, there was this great matriarchy with a king and princes and everything that wasn't matriarchal, right?
	So this is why I'm trying to get kind of your definition for these systems.
	Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
	And I think what I'm saying that's not getting across the way that I want it to be is that there's different kind of in between the lines depending on what, in what situation you're talking about, matriarchal.
	Okay, so here's a clarifying question for you.
	I'm going to simplify it.
	He asked you if it could still be a patriarchy if there's women at the top managing it.
	And you said if they're upholding patriarchal structures, it could still be a patriarchy.
	What do you mean by that?
	What are those patriarchal structures that those women at the top would theoretically be upholding?
	Capitalism would be a good example.
	Women benefit from capitalism.
	You benefit from capitalism.
	Anybody?
	There's benefits in negative.
	Wait, so are you against capitalism?
	Theoretically, yes.
	I think that there are ways that it could become better.
	In practice, you do OnlyFans, so theoretically.
	I have to be able to live.
	I have to be able to live.
	So you're taking advantage of capitalism in order to live.
	Are you more in favor of socialism or communism?
	Yeah, if you don't like capitalism, what system would you prefer to see?
	Yeah, what's matriarchal?
	Capitalism is when you're a question for her.
	So I guess by definition, it sounds very radical of me, and I do consider myself to be a radical feminist, but I guess communism, the very simplistic definition that I have of communism, the utopian society that I envision would be a communist society.
	And that is because we would have like a trade or barter system, so I could provide, you know, what I'm good at providing, what I enjoy to provide, you could provide to our share of society.
	A stateless society?
	Yes.
	And I think that it would be very complicated to go from where we are right now.
	So I can end this argument very quickly for you.
	We're not arguing about it.
	I'm just saying.
	Well, no, no, I can actually change your mind about this.
	Hang on, I can change your entire mind about this.
	I promise.
	Okay.
	Inside of your stateless society, you would have to have an enforcement arm, like police officers or something like this to deal with criminals, right?
	Wouldn't you?
	How could you enforce a hierarchy inside of your society without appealing to a hierarchy to do it?
	Why would I need a hierarchy?
	Because a stateless society is one without a hierarchy.
	We would agree that that's true.
	So if that is true, how could you enforce the norms of a stateless society without appealing to a hierarchy to do so?
	So the norms that would be in my stateless society, I don't know how big this would be, but we're talking about a hypothetical, I guess.
	So in my stateless society, the norms would be to commit ethical decisions.
	There would be a board of the community.
	What if somebody violates those?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, then what?
	Then you have enforcement to take care of that, right?
	Because people will inevitably violate.
	Yeah.
	I've had this conversation.
	So if people will violate the norms of that society and you have to appeal to enforcement, that is a hierarchy.
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	Patriarchy values women, protect them and cherish them.
	The idea that it preys on women is absolutely trash intellectualism.
	Feminism has failed you.
	How may the patriarchy help you today?
	Bingo.
	Andrew, did you want to continue on with your point?
	Yeah, but if you don't mind.
	Of course, go ahead.
	So I'm just saying, think about the absurdity here.
	Inside of a stateless society, there can be no hierarchy.
	If you have a hierarchy, you have a state.
	How do you enforce the norms of your stateless society without appealing to a hierarchy?
	I guess it would be somewhat of a hierarchy.
	There's two levels.
	Those who commit ethical decisions and those who do not commit ethical decisions.
	And what's decided to be ethical is decided upon by the community.
	Sure.
	And then, so in my mind, the only things that can really come up to me that would require severe punishment or what was the word that you were using?
	Enforcement.
	Enforcement, yes.
	Would be murder and SA.
	Now, there's tons out there about theft.
	Theft, all kinds of things.
	In a society when there's not a sense of scarcity, I don't think that theft would be a problem unless there's somebody that's a kleptomaniac.
	That would be a problem.
	Let's take all those off then.
	Just violence, just violence itself, violent crime, stuff like that.
	If you're going to have violent crimes inside of a society, you're going to have to have enforcers, big, strong enforcers to go take care of any violent criminals who exist, right?
	Like, that's going to be necessary.
	Wait, do you, do you, in your society that you envision, do you reject the idea that there would be a criminal element?
	You think it would be impossible for criminality to materialize?
	Not necessarily.
	I don't think it would be necessarily impossible, but then again, I haven't seen a case study where a society lives like this, you know, to see whether or not it would be a problem.
	Why do you think it would be possible then?
	For there to be a society without crime?
	No, this stateless society that you're talking about where nobody's stealing from one another, there's abundance everywhere, there's no scarcity, everybody's conforming to the same social norms, there's no hierarchy.
	I mean, you're describing what you call communism, but this is not communism has never played out like this.
	Yeah.
	You know, you've had like small societies that have been communes where people have shared the same social values and they get along relatively well.
	But like, can you name a single time in history when what you're describing has ever happened at scale?
	No, that's why I said that this was like a utopia, a utopic type.
	This is where my values lie.
	And I do think that it would be very difficult for a society like the one that we have modernly to transition to this type of utopian society that's stateless, that would be absent hierarchy.
	Even inside of what you're describing is not stateless because you say that there is a value group who assesses what is moral and is immoral and is ethical and not ethical.
	That in and of itself is going to be a hierarchy and thus not stateless.
	I didn't use the word stateless.
	I didn't bring it up in like a second.
	Well that you just agreed.
	But that is communism, right?
	Communism is a stateless society.
	That is what is postulated by communism, is it not?
	I use the word communism very loosely.
	It's commune, so we're living in a community and ism.
	Wait, so are you saying in this utopian society that you desire to live in, what would be the population of said society?
	Because currently in the U.S., the population is over what, 300 million?
	330 million.
	Okay.
	So are you talking like 200 people?
	Something like that would be cool.
	I mean, I don't know how, because, like I said, I haven't seen a case study, right?
	So I don't know how many could be a lot of people.
	So if we didn't have a lot of people.
	You have your society of 200 people.
	What do we do with the other 330 million people just in the United States?
	Do they also?
	They have their own society that have different ethical systems.
	What was your name again?
	Caitlin.
	Caitlin.
	I say this with all due respect.
	I think this utopia that you're describing is fundamentally completely incompatible with human nature and will never exist at scale.
	Because, and I don't say this to insult you, but because human beings naturally organize themselves into hierarchies.
	Do you have any questions?
	All of history.
	Every history.
	All of human history.
	When you walked into this room to set up the podcast, there was a guy who was in charge and he told you to go over there and fill out this form.
	Yes.
	And then he told you where you're going to sit.
	And he told you which mic you're going to speak into.
	And he told you everything.
	The very second we walked into this room, all of us together, the entire room was organized quickly by hierarchy, in a hierarchical structure, and everybody was told exactly what their role was.
	Yes.
	Any time human beings organize in a group at all, there's always going to be leadership that emerges.
	But there's going to be somebody that's more confident, bolder, able to articulate themselves more clearly.
	They're going to rise in the hierarchy, particularly if they exercise good leadership abilities.
	There's going to be people that are less competent.
	People also temperamentally are wired in different ways.
	Some people are going to be more wired to serve others.
	Others are going to be more wired to lead.
	And hierarchies are just built into nature all around us.
	Yeah, and I don't necessarily agree or disagree.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, that's not really super.
	So by hierarchy for me, I guess I totally understand what you guys are saying.
	My visualization of it within this utopia is very much less intense than what we have now, where there's like, you know, the president that rules over everything and all these corporations and lobbyists and whatever organizations subsidize government.
	Do you like small government?
	I don't mind small government.
	Can I just ask a question real quick?
	You guys will ask for evidence when the opposing argument speaks, but we can't ask for evidence and you guys.
	No, you absolutely can.
	You would show us.
	Are you asking about the question?
	She asked for evidence.
	No, just in general.
	I don't know.
	No, you can ask us for evidence.
	But will you show us evidence if we have a publication?
	She asked for evidence about hierarchy, and I gave you a lot of things.
	We can't take out our phones and just show you.
	No, but what we can do is just have a conversation where I can reference things that have happened in history and you can reference things that have happened in history.
	And you guys may be lying about it.
	You may be telling the truth.
	We won't know because we're not going to sit here and take out our phones and look at it.
	We won't know either if your evidence is.
	Okay, well, that's a bit meta.
	It's a bit meta.
	It is, but it's like, I don't like that.
	Do you have evidence?
	Imagine brass shirts and using brain at the same time.
	Impossible.
	Communism only works when everyone perfect.
	Nobody is perfect.
	Eroni lies.
	Imagine pitching communism and not knowing what it is.
	Chase W. I need to get to one of the things.
	I wasn't the one who made the communism.
	I don't, I'm not speaking on communism.
	I'll ask a separate question.
	Sure, that's fine.
	Hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let me read this.
	Looking forward to hearing from the three next LeBron.
	Should be a good convo.
	Chase, as always, thank you for being a role model for young men and progressing the good news of Jesus Christ.
	Hashtag Christ is Lord.
	Brady, hey, thank you very much.
	Sorry it took us a little while to get to it.
	Thank you, Bob.
	I had just one thing related to, I think, Andrew's questions here.
	Did we fully $200?
	There was a survivor show where they put all men on one island and all women that were not aware of it.
	Is that naked?
	For a couple of days, the women were cold and hungry, whereas the men had fire, food, and it was due to hierarchy.
	Yeah, it was hilarious.
	That whole thing was hilarious.
	That's so funny.
	I've seen it.
	Did we get to fully address?
	Did you have an answer when it came to the criminality component of your utopian society?
	Do you have a solution?
	I don't think it would be really a solution.
	I think it would depend on where this society starts.
	If we were to be able to fully and gently deconstruct capitalism in the way that it exists, in the way that it exists today, then maybe we could heal social wounds, for lack of better terms.
	Don't you think this is pretty lofty?
	Like where are you learning this stuff?
	Who are you consuming these ideas from out of curiosity?
	I've just done a lot of analysis of what's right and what's wrong.
	But you're obviously like listening to influential people from maybe throughout history, reading books, YouTube, podcasts.
	I just have one question.
	That's it.
	Just one.
	Can you name two communist thought leaders?
	I said, okay.
	That's totally fair and a totally valid question.
	Can you name two communist thought markers?
	It's like the best that I can give you, honestly and fairly.
	And I can admit that, and I'm very okay with that.
	Why in the world would you espouse an ideology?
	I don't even know the names of the thought leaders who espouse it.
	An ideology, you said, did you guys, or do I believe in socialism, communism, whatever?
	I said communism just like to loosely use the term to just discuss.
	Okay, can you name two socialist thought leaders?
	I didn't say anything about me being a socialist.
	I just want to add, you know, I'm going to tie all this together.
	You saw that guy's super chat a moment ago about that TV show where the men were on one island and the women were on the other island and all the women were cold and hungry.
	I haven't seen it and I wouldn't.
	Let's assume for a moment that it happened.
	Earlier in the conversation, I asked you if you could describe any non-patriarchal structures and you referenced communism and socialism and kind of basically agreed to your utopian vision as like something that could potentially be non-patriarchal, right?
	Have non-patriarchal values and social structure, yes.
	Okay.
	I just want to, you know, I was talking about human nature before.
	In the kind of society that you're describing, a stateless society where there's like abundance and everybody's just like hanging out and they adhere to the same social norms.
	Ethical values.
	Instead of social norms, ethical values.
	Ethical values.
	To his point, there is going to need to be enforcement because to his point, there are going to be people that violate the social contract.
	And on top of that, the people that are going to be enforcing will be men because typically men, if you look at all the data, men are more often violently criminal than women are.
	Women aren't going to be the ones standing up to the violent criminals violating the social contract.
	I'm sorry, it's not debatable.
	We're way stronger than women are.
	It's going to take men to restrain violent males.
	I don't think that's necessarily true.
	I don't know.
	I don't know of any evidence for three times.
	Men have on a couple of men.
	I can demonstrate that.
	Men have on average three times upper body strength than women do.
	Even without training.
	Raise my hand for a while.
	One sec, one second.
	Wait, do you take issue with the position that men are physically stronger than women?
	I don't like that it's used, but I don't have any evidence for or against.
	I think that women can be physically strong.
	I know they can't be physically strong.
	I mean, she can hip thrust 600 pounds.
	If I were to ask you this, this easy question.
	Pretend that you were in charge of a prison and you could hire all female prison guards for the most violent criminals on planet Earth or all male prison guards with the exact same qualifications.
	Which ones would you hire?
	The strongest.
	Period.
	Okay, which ones are going to be the strongest, do you think?
	I have no evidence for who's going to be able to do that.
	Maybe I can add to that.
	What do you mean you have no evidence?
	Life experience.
	Men are stronger than women are almost always.
	Based off gender, I could not pick who is going to serve my people.
	Here, let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question.
	The hundred strongest people in the entire world right now, are they men or women?
	I don't know.
	I haven't looked at it.
	They're men.
	Okay, and I believe you guys, and I support you.
	It's not.
	The point is.
	This is a layup.
	This is crazy.
	The point is, you're saying that there's no, you've never seen any evidence that basically men are on average stronger than women.
	What about like life?
	Like life as a whole?
	It's obvious there's three men.
	Well, there's three men cornering her.
	Like she can't like it.
	No, wait, no, hold on.
	Man, I'm trying to corner you.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Go ahead, Stephanie.
	What do you mean?
	These are big, strong women.
	What do you mean?
	Do you guys have like 10 years on raising?
	You guys obviously know your points a little bit.
	Okay, that's meta.
	That's irrelevant.
	When they draft it, when there's a draft, why would they choose?
	Why is it only men?
	That's a good question.
	Well, now it's going to have to be women.
	Okay.
	Yeah, unfortunately, because feminists are fighting for equality, so now we're going to get it.
	So in the Bible, it's because there's always men going in there that men are protected.
	One person at a time.
	You go ahead, please.
	Yeah, it's been stated in the Bible that men are protectors.
	So, yeah.
	Right, because they do a better job protecting.
	Okay, yeah, I will say that.
	Yeah.
	I have always felt more protected by my mom than I have by my father.
	Okay, but that's fine.
	I would like to ask again: the hundred strongest people in the world currently, are they men or are they women?
	It's obviously men, but since you guys are asking the question, I'm going to safely assume that it's men.
	And I do not have a problem with that.
	And I, I mean, the richest people are men.
	All the billionaires are men.
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	All may be saved through Christ.
	No man can save the girls on the right.
	So let's stop trying.
	There's no utopia without who rudder all ships run aground without direction or lethal fail.
	Reality weeps.
	Okay, it sounded like you had something.
	Yeah, I've had something like probably like 10 minutes ago.
	Let me think about it because I probably forgot it.
	It was like 10 minutes ago.
	I raised my hand.
	So do you think that a matriarchy society just means that like because like he sent that question that was like men on one island and women on one island and then the men were fine and the women weren't.
	So do you just think that like society should be only men?
	No.
	What's like the solution?
	Because you seem to think that like women don't have like a value in any way.
	No, no, certainly not.
	That's all to breed and be in the kitchen.
	What's the value of a woman if it's not because like all you're explaining is that men are stronger.
	Her value is in her reproductive ability and her ability to take care of her.
	What if a woman was infertile?
	What if she was?
	Yeah, what if she was?
	Does that mean that her purpose has failed?
	I know, but I think that it makes her, generally speaking, less valuable to men inside of that society, wouldn't you say?
	So you're like this society under like already less valuable as a person.
	No, wait, that's not what I said.
	Under God.
	Repeat what I said.
	Repeat what I said.
	You think societally people will find her less valuable.
	I said that the men inside that society where women cannot reproduce or a woman can't reproduce are probably going to find her less valuable.
	In terms of a dating and romantic yeah, well, not just in terms of dating and romantic, but here's the thing.
	A lot of people just walk it through, walk it through logically.
	Do you think that women are equipped to do the same kinds of jobs that men are equipped to do?
	No, but are men equipped to do all the same jobs that women are?
	Yes.
	What job can women do that men can't?
	It's vice versa.
	Reproduce.
	I'm sorry, not reproduce.
	Give birth.
	I mean, that's not a job.
	It's part of your biological makeup.
	But when I'm asking you, where are all of the female stonemasons?
	Where's all the female green berets?
	There's not a single one.
	There's not a single female Navy SEAL.
	There's not a single.
	Because we aren't raised that way.
	There's not a single one.
	Nobody knows my terms.
	I'm almost there.
	I'm almost done.
	I think that women could hypothetically do those jobs, right?
	Just like men could hypothetically do a traditional woman's job.
	Do you think the same way?
	Ladies, stop, stop.
	Can I please stop?
	Stop.
	But typically, right, stereotypically, that there's a reason why men primarily have those jobs and they're better at those jobs.
	Right?
	What do you think that reason is?
	Biology, absolutely.
	100%.
	I don't disagree with you.
	I'm just saying there's, hypothetically, there could be an outlier, right?
	Yeah.
	A woman could be a great gray or something.
	I'm not sure if you're a woman as a monolith.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so my argument has nothing to do with anything being based around.
	Hold on, Dollar.
	Hold on.
	Now that I've heard these mensa members talk, I'm feeling really disappointed about none of them wanting to date me.
	Looking forward to coming on the show soon, Brian.
	And great to see Andrew here.
	Yeah, thanks.
	It's great to see you too.
	Sorry, you were too old.
	I love you, John.
	So just kind of so that you understand, we're not talking in monoliths, okay?
	So I'm not saying everyone can't ever do it.
	You have to name a job that a woman can't do, that a man can't.
	Yeah, so what I'm talking, and I'm clarifying right now so that you understand.
	This is not a monolith.
	I wouldn't even think I'd have to explain this, but I guess I do.
	It's not, nothing is ever expressed in a monolith.
	So I'm not saying there could never be a hypothetical woman who does X. I'm just saying that if you look, if you look at what men do, okay, if you look at just basic jobs which are done outside, like roofing, for instance, this is a really good one.
	Female physiology actually is not equipped to deal with that because of heat extremes.
	So you guys like studies.
	You like studies.
	You keep on saying, I love the studies.
	The studies are great.
	Well, here's a great study for you to take a look at.
	Women inside of office spaces, they get really cold.
	And the men don't.
	Why?
	Why is that?
	Do you know why that is?
	Can you tell me?
	Well, I'm asking you.
	Do you know why that is?
	I mean, physiology is completely different.
	So they can't regulate their temperature in the same way that males can regulate their temperature.
	This is why when they work outside, they're less prone to get heat stroke, they're less prone to have all sorts of different issues that women are more prone to have.
	So yes, there are these kind of physiological barriers, not just the, well, if I was raised to be a construction worker, I could be one.
	Nope.
	There's still physiological barriers which exist between the two sexes.
	Yes, I was never denying that.
	I was just saying that there are still women.
	It's just, it's because we're not raised to do those kind of things.
	Men are raised typically, traditionally, more masculine and to work more masculine jobs.
	There's not going to be a father teaching most of the time.
	I mean, I was taught to do, like, to fix my own tables.
	Women do better academically than men do inside of the United States, overwhelmingly.
	And they're far more likely to complete their education.
	So who's telling them then not to do these jobs if you say they're not raised or somebody's giving them some kind of barrier to entry?
	I just think it's a, I just think it's like a pointless argument because like, yes, it's a more male-dominated field to do like these hard labor jobs, but you guys simultaneously will complain about like building society and how you guys are the stronger.
	So before I get to you, you wanted to come in?
	You were raising your hand, right?
	I mean, this was actually from a really long time ago.
	This was an entirely different topic.
	It was actually over the topic of prostitution and everything like that.
	And that was a long time ago.
	This isn't.
	With the jobs, or the mentioning of the jobs in the education, women weren't allowed to get jobs and get educated until within the last, what was it, a century or the last century or even half of a century?
	Women have always, always done better at education than men have inside of the United States.
	You're only talking about the people.
	They were raised to get married and have children.
	They weren't allowed to get their degrees.
	They weren't permitted.
	You like rigged Reagan's presidency.
	Please.
	If you don't let me finish the point, you won't even know what I'm saying.
	My apologies.
	What you're talking about is you're talking about when women started going to higher education, universities, and things like this.
	Try to understand the educational distinctions here.
	That a college degree now is worth far less than it used to be because as more people are allowed to go do X thing, the standards necessarily have to get lowered.
	Always.
	So you're always applying to the lowest common denominator.
	Would you agree that that's true?
	Can you rephrase that?
	Yeah, so pretend, right, that before college was about rewarding the best and the brightest.
	Only the smartest could go.
	Okay, the smartest everywhere, those were the ones who went to college.
	But now anybody can go.
	Do you think that they would have the same standards as when only the smartest people could go?
	If now everybody could do it.
	I just feel like that's another probing question.
	Yeah, it is your probing question.
	So I'd like you to answer it, though.
	I mean, I guess I don't have a hard opinion on college.
	I mean, logically.
	Yes, they would want the smartest.
	They almost entailed it in the question.
	This must be true.
	Yes, they would want the smartest people.
	No.
	Okay.
	Here, let me get a couple chats in.
	I'm just, I'm a dumb woman, sorry.
	Okay, this is the most quiet I've ever.
	He sent this again as a TTS.
	The next time we debate, I'll have to remember to invite.
	Okay.
	Oh, he sent it as a TTS in the super chat.
	I see.
	Good to see you in the chat, James.
	Appreciate it.
	Conan 19, Harley Quinn from Wish definitely has a Joker in her DMs.
	Do you have the Joker in your DMs?
	No, but I do get to call Harley Quinn on like a daily.
	So thanks, I guess.
	Wait or why that is.
	Oh, what?
	You look kind of like her.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I'll take it.
	I actually, sorry, I did want to come back to one point because I didn't make my point earlier about the whole prostitution.
	Basically, you did insinuate earlier that prostitution was perpetrated by women, you know, seeking to gain more money and everything like that.
	I mean, overall, I do want to say that basis, like, it came from the consumerism of men.
	There are obviously women seeking to, you know, gain money and everything like that, but that was highly based.
	That started later.
	Okay, but you're holding it.
	I'm sorry, I'll let you know.
	There was male demand, and what he's saying is women chose to supply for that demand.
	Just like you guys recognize that there is male demand for the visibility of your bodies, and you choose to supply that demand.
	It's the same thing.
	Would you think men currently are forcing women to go into like OnlyFans, for example?
	No, honestly, right now, currently, there is a lot more fair basis and a lot more consent to go into it.
	But early on in time, you know, like a lot of people and women were forced, you know, to go into prostitution and everything like that.
	And even now, like, I have two friends that were human trafficked at a young age by two male figures.
	Like, it's still currently happening to this day where people are being forced into that sex work.
	So I think there's a lot of things.
	That definitely does happen, and it's terrible, but a lot of women also choose to do it and have chosen to do it throughout all of history.
	I just want to make sure I got this clear.
	Are you saying that all women, all women who were prostitutes, all of them were forced into it?
	No, not at all.
	I'm saying that.
	I feel like you came at that point, like you were saying that That field was, you know, created by women looking for money and everything like that when it did.
	No, it started from coercion.
	It wasn't all.
	We're going to move on.
	It's historical.
	I'm saying, nope, we're moving on.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So.
	Because I made a good point, but it's okay.
	You had mentioned patriarchy.
	I'm just curious, so perhaps we can get a sense of what the patriarchy is.
	But I do want to go around the table on this.
	Do you believe that there is a patriarchy?
	Just, I think this is a yes or no.
	You can go around the table.
	Just like plain yes or no question?
	Sure.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yes, of course.
	I believe there's patriarchal of patriarchal values definitely in the majority of societies just because, you know, throughout society, males have definitely been in the leadership roles and everything like that.
	I wouldn't say that there's a necessary, like, straight patriarchy, and that's the only way you can look at it, but there are definitely patriarchal values in most societies where men lead.
	Yes.
	No.
	I think we're in a little bit of patriarchy society.
	Okay.
	I actually think that the patriarchy is necessary.
	It's a necessary entailment of descriptive reality.
	Yeah.
	I would also say patriarchy is a real thing.
	I would disagree with your guys' definition of it.
	I also view patriarchy as a principle to be a very good thing.
	And as somebody said in the super chat earlier during the show, I think patriarchy is something that has historically actually protected women.
	So one of the patriarchal structures.
	What you want to move on?
	No, but I mean, I want to ask the women here, what is the patriarchy?
	I was actually about to ask them to do the same thing.
	Or if you have a contribution for that as well.
	Well, you've asserted that it exists, that the burden is on you to articulate what precisely...
	But he said it exists too.
	I didn't say that.
	I can articulate how I see patriarchy, but Brian's asking you.
	I mean, if you're asking my own view, I don't think there's a patriarchy because I think we live in a gynocentric society, but what's your I think the patriarchy.
	So from the beginning.
	Can you talk straight into the mic, please?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so we were always raised with our parents and our grandparents.
	And the advice that I was given through my mother and the advice that I was given through my male family members.
	Hold on.
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	Yo, Jacama, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, do you not think that like?
	Yeah, so when you are raised traditionally, you're raised by your father and your mother.
	And your father does a certain task, and your mothers do the certain tasks.
	So patriarchy is also kind of aligned with traditionalism, and you guys like traditionalism.
	I'm not ever saying specifically I hate the patriarchy.
	I'm saying that there's things that get to a certain point where it's not about protecting women and it's not about the protection of everybody.
	It's about making your power the most in the room.
	Gotcha.
	But so what is the patriarchy?
	It's being primarily raised by a father or a father figure in the society.
	You're saying patriarchal traditions within the family are the patriarchy societally?
	Because what I heard you say is there's patriarchal tradition within families, but there's also men in society.
	It sounds like you're saying that exploit women.
	Families are in society.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	What is the patriarchy?
	I think it's less about who's on top of our society.
	Well, I mean, you can see that there is a patriarchy with the, or in how our government works.
	There's a lot of men on the top, you know, CEOs and politicians and stuff like that.
	But more intrinsically, I believe that it has to do with the social values that we hold.
	You know, like she kind of like she said, within our families, but more of like within our day-to-day actions, within the way that we as women and even you as men can go about things.
	So like I think it's more about social values and social occurrences.
	So one thing with how the patriarchy affects men, for example, is men's ability to express their feelings.
	So it's often said that men can not thoroughly express their feelings or do not feel safe to express their feelings because it's viewed as like feminine or grid one motorsports donated $200.
	I am patriarch.
	I protect and value my wife and children.
	They sleep under the blanket of protection I provide.
	The leader of the family, the bedrock upon all that is built.
	You should be as fortunate.
	Yeah, thank you, Good.
	So you were saying that men can't express their feelings because of the patriarchy.
	Patriarchal value, I think.
	I would actually argue that's something that women enforce on men, not that other men enforce on other men.
	I don't know.
	Most women that I've encountered have been not really caring or like pretty neutral.
	And if not.
	Not really caring about men?
	No, about men contributing their feelings.
	So like neutral about, I guess, okay, not negative.
	They're more positive and accepting of it from the women that I've met.
	Now, I do understand that there are women that are not accepting of men's feelings.
	Does that affect you?
	I'm sort of more so talking about vulnerability.
	And typically when men display vulnerability in a romantic and dating context, that's typically punished by potential romantic partners.
	Yes, it is very much so.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, potential romantic partners or a romantic partner.
	Both.
	In your view, I argue that.
	I would argue as far as potential romantic partners go, I mean, women, if a guy wants a girl and he's showing weakness early on in the relationship or like maybe is too deep in his feelings and negative emotions, I've heard it from many girls.
	Gives them the ick real fast, makes them unattracted.
	But what I would also say is if a man has an established romantic relationship with a woman and she really respects him and is very attracted to him, that gives the man room to open up and be vulnerable with like weakness or those.
	Yeah, so maybe there's just certain times and places where people should be vulnerable.
	Like I'm not going to come up here and then karate about my problems and expect you to be empathetic with me because we don't know each other like that.
	Yeah, no, I know, but it's less about that there's certain times and places to be vulnerable and it's hold on.
	It's to Brian's point that she's saying that men not expressing their emotions is because of patriarchal structures disincentivizing men from expressing their emotions.
	But the reality is if I take a girl out on a date and I start crying about something in the beginning of the date, there's like a 75 to 90% chance it's going to give the girl the ick, which is to Brian's point that this is something that's often regulated by females.
	Wouldn't that be watching you if a girl cried on it first date?
	Well, I mean it depends It would be more socially acceptable and it depends.
	It wouldn't be.
	Yes, yes, it absolutely would.
	There's no question.
	No question.
	I like it.
	Like if you go to a party and you're in the middle of the driving corner, you're kind of like, oh, poor girl, if the guy's doing it, you're like, what the hell?
	In any case, to keep it moving on, did you want to say that?
	What do you want to be doing?
	Ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies.
	That's you.
	Yo, Azure.
	Azure.
	We asked you earlier before the show began, please respect the show's rules.
	You keep violating them.
	Let's have a civil discussion with one person.
	Did you want to add anything to your sense of what the patriarchy is?
	I think that was a pretty solid example of what the patriarchy does in our society.
	What about you?
	Well, you asked for the definition, correct?
	Your definition, yes.
	From my definition.
	So, in my opinion, it's the hierarchy of males in American society, politically and socio-sociologically.
	Yeah, sociologically.
	Societally, yes.
	The roles of.
	Is there more to that?
	It's just that men are throughout the hierarchy and there's a hierarchy with men.
	That's my definition.
	And men, so are you saying men occupy the top positions of power both politically, in corporations, etc.
	Okay.
	Perhaps societally, too.
	Okay, what about you?
	I think you said that you believe there's a patriarchy, right?
	Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, a patriarchy is definitely defined by, you know, the predominant male leadership roles in a society, right?
	Okay.
	And, you know, I think it is, it's pretty true that, you know, throughout our society, you know, women had the inability to vote, for example, right?
	Women had the inability to vote.
	Over 100 years ago, but I'm not sure if the inability to vote is evidence of a current patriarchy, but.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but I'm saying, you know, like throughout our society, right?
	That's that's definitely kind of been a factor, right?
	And I think we're off- So okay, so you're talking historically.
	Yeah, of course.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And I think, you know, we are off a lot better now.
	I think there are still, you know, some political roles, you know, some roles in, you know, bigger companies and everything like that, where you can still see male-dominated roles.
	But I feel like as a society, we are becoming a lot more equal.
	But I think there are still some leftovers.
	Okay, sure.
	And then lastly, with you, and then I have a follow-up.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, I did think there was a patriarchy.
	Sure.
	What is it?
	I think it's a male-dominated world, but I also think men will continue to lead.
	Like she said earlier, there could be the outlier of women, but in my opinion, I just feel like it's male-dominated.
	So question for you, for those of you who believe in the patriarchy, under patriarchy, are women oppressed?
	I mean, yeah.
	Okay.
	Not in every way, but yeah.
	I think the patriarchy is a tool for oppression.
	Okay.
	Oppression is a very hard word, but yes, there is a lot of under patriarchy, women are essentially oppressed.
	Yeah, but that's a very heavy word.
	Just a trigger word or whatever.
	I think honestly, currently now there is like a huge step up for women where women are given the opportunities for better education, you know, roles into bigger companies, everything like that.
	And I think, you know, there is still points of like where men might look at women as not being able to lead and everything like that.
	And I think there are still those stereotypes present, but I think women are getting to the point where they're able to.
	I think I would agree with what she said.
	I don't think we're fully oppressed, but it's being worked on.
	Okay.
	Under patriarchy, are men oppressors?
	Um not all of them, I guess.
	But okay, some of them.
	I think it is a tool that can be used by both men and women, and it affects both men and women.
	So there are women that use the patriarchy to oppress both men and women?
	It's just about using consciously, but it's like I said, it's very socially ingrained.
	So like in a lot of our actions and even the things that we say, like the way that we use words, it can be very subtle and then it can be very extremist.
	What would an example be of a woman who utilizes the patriarchy in order to oppress somebody?
	It would be kind of like the example that I provided earlier where you guys were talking about how women will shame men for being vulnerable.
	Women are using the patriarchal structure, the patriarchal standards that have been created.
	I don't know if there was a specific person that coined that.
	But why would that be oppression?
	Why would that fall under the oppression category?
	It is very emotionally damaging for men to not feel like they can talk about their feelings.
	Okay, hold on.
	Under patriarchy, are men oppressors?
	I don't like using the oppressive, like, I don't like that debate.
	Well, you said women can be oppressed, so.
	Yes, so I'm I can't find a lighter word than oppression, but yes.
	Okay, what about you?
	No, not necessarily.
	I mean, the entire terminology kind of bases like off of society as a whole.
	So I think it's just, you know.
	Okay, go ahead.
	No.
	Okay.
	So one or two more follow-up questions here.
	You guys are women.
	You're feminists.
	Most, I think all of you believe in the patriarchy.
	Are you oppressed?
	I've gotten used to the position that I've been put in.
	That you've been put in.
	When you say the position that you've been put in, is it an oppressed position?
	It could be seen by that by some, yeah.
	Okay, so depending on you.
	Let me clarify the question.
	Are you oppressed and if so, how?
	I'm oppressed.
	I guess, yeah.
	The way that I started doing sex work at 18, I started two weeks after I turned 18 because I was on social media a lot at the age of like 16.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Let's save the story.
	Brian's question was, are you oppressed and if so, how?
	Yeah, yeah, I'm telling you how.
	Being told at age 16, 17 that you're going to be making hundreds and hundreds of dollars if you sell them content of you naked, is that not like...
	Is that oppression or opportunity?
	You think that's an opportunity.
	Well, hold on.
	Or we're privileged.
	Hold on.
	We're privileged.
	I wouldn't even say that's a privilege.
	Respectfully, I think that you have a serious victim complex.
	You said that you were put in this position, but you're also telling me that someone came to you and told you, hey, you can make it.
	Not one person.
	So, okay, multiple people told you, hey, you can make a lot of money if you do this work.
	And then did you make the decision to start doing the work?
	Or were you forced into it?
	Did you make the decision?
	Do you want like a really good person?
	You said you don't want to be trump and dump, so I'm not going to explain it to you.
	You said don't trump and dump, and you said don't make a personal attack, and I feel like you're not going to be able to do it.
	I'm not trying to make a personal attack, but you're telling me that you were.
	Okay, let me put it this way.
	You're telling me that you were essentially forced.
	You were put in this position, and I'm asking, I want to say this respectfully.
	Were you forced by someone into this position?
	Like, were you trafficked into it?
	Or was it a choice that you made?
	Yeah, respectfully, I'm not going to answer that question.
	That's like not something I'm comfortable answering.
	Okay.
	Could you make the choice to leave the industry?
	Yeah.
	But you don't want to?
	No, because I feel fine now.
	So you're making the decision to stay in this position?
	Yeah, because I feel great now about myself.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	How are you oppressed?
	Or are you oppressed?
	How are you oppressed?
	As a pressure.
	I would say, okay.
	Yes, I'm oppressed.
	And I would say that more than likely, unless you are a billionaire, everybody in this room is oppressed.
	And I'm not saying you have to agree with me, but from the perspective that I take with capitalism and the other social issues, I would say, to put it shortly, I'm oppressed and everybody is oppressed.
	Well, hold on.
	Or most a lot of oppression.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Not a billionaire is oppressed.
	It's very complicated.
	But you're talking about class oppression.
	We're talking about patriarchy.
	So I suppose gender.
	As a woman, how are you oppressed?
	Yeah, do men oppress you?
	Are you oppressed as a woman?
	Yes.
	How so?
	I guess wage difference would be a good example, just generally.
	Okay.
	A specific example for myself.
	Yes, okay.
	Being viewed differently and being viewed as dumb or less intelligent simply because I'm a woman or a young woman?
	How do you know that you're being viewed in that way because you're a woman?
	Yeah, versus you just say, maybe you just say dumb stuff.
	Like maybe that's why people view it that way instead of it being because you're a woman.
	So he's asking, what's the distinction between maybe you're saying dumb stuff versus they see it this way because I'm a woman?
	Because I know if men were saying the same stuff that I'm saying, they would be respected.
	Like in this conversation, I'm not sure.
	I'm going to be honest.
	If a man was saying the same stuff, I wouldn't respect him more for saying it because he was a man.
	And I would actually go a lot harder against what he was saying.
	Andrew, do you have anything on the wage gap?
	Because she mentioned that.
	I've got something.
	I've got something.
	You said that you do OnlyFans?
	Yeah, it's very small, very small.
	But yes.
	So men who do OnlyFans make a fraction of what women make on OnlyFans?
	Would you say, hold on.
	Would you say that men who do OnlyFans are oppressed because there's a wage gap between them and women?
	And is it due to sexism?
	The wage gap on OnlyFans, is that due to the sexism?
	Well, it's because of the patriarchy, probably.
	It's actually not really supply and demand.
	But so why is it supply and demand when women have an advantage, but when men have an advantage in some field, it must be evidence of sexism, wage gap, and patriarchy?
	No, because this was a gay men-based OnlyFans, too.
	It's just an industry based off of sex.
	Well, okay, let's talk.
	There are not as many gay people as there are straight, like gay men who want to buy porn do not.
	Why don't straight women want to consume?
	Because I don't want to buy porn.
	Not at the same frequency that men do.
	But I'm not like watching.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Okay.
	Do you think, for example, the WNBA or women's soccer, right?
	You hear stories, they're paid less than their male counterparts.
	WNBA players make far less than male NBA players.
	Do you think that that is evidence of a wage gap?
	Do you think that that's sexist or something?
	Because men don't watch it.
	But you think it's unfair.
	Go ahead.
	I think it's less of a wage gap and more of men.
	So men are the main consumers of sports content, right?
	And then they generally don't have a lot of respect for women's sports.
	They don't want to be a lot more.
	Maybe they just don't want to watch it just like women don't want to watch male sports.
	Sorry for interrupting, but like I would think of it the same way as like the OnlyFans.
	It's almost like being an independent contractor.
	There's no set wage.
	Now for other jobs where there are set wages, like the medical profession or like the medical field, you can see a huge gap in men's salaries versus women's salaries.
	In the medical field?
	Yes.
	Or just a lot of people.
	Wait, are you telling me that female doctors and male doctors get paid vastly different wages?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Working the same hours with the same credentials in the exact same discipline?
	That's according to the studies that I've had.
	What were the male wages and what were the female wages?
	I mean, I could pull them up real quick if you want to come back to the public.
	Well, it's probably just a fraction less, but it's still there.
	Well, just going back to the data.
	I didn't need the exact number.
	Well, honestly, I'm calling CAP.
	I think if there's a male doctor and if there's a female doctor and they have the same degrees, the same qualifications, they're working the same job.
	Let's use surgeons as an example, extremely highly paid.
	If they have the same degrees and qualifications, they do the same kinds of surgeries and they work the same hours, I would be willing to bet they're making the same money.
	I can't do any more likely to get a lot of money.
	Do you have any problems?
	Yeah, because they can pay the women less.
	No, they can't.
	They pay...
	You're going to argue on...
	If there was a hospital that had listings for surgeons, and there was a female surgeon and a male surgeon, and they were doing the exact same job, but they were paying the woman way less because she was a woman, she could probably file a lawsuit against that hospital and sue them to high heavens.
	This has been legislated since the 1960s.
	If it was the case that corporations could get away with paying women 25% less, 30% less, whatever the number is, corporations would just hire women.
	As a businessman, if I could save 30% on wages paid to employees, and they were just as competent, I would, of course, just be hiring women.
	But in the eyes of the court, would you hire all women?
	If he could save 30%, I don't have his question is like this, right?
	To frame it easy.
	I didn't get to answer the question.
	If you are the head of a corporation, let's say you're one of these female CEOs, okay?
	And you see that you can pay women less than you can their male counterparts to get the same amount of work out of them, then why wouldn't corporations leverage that in order to bring in more women employees and pay them less?
	That's the question.
	That's a good question.
	I'm not a CEO.
	I honestly don't know.
	I don't know how they do it because, like you guys said, it's illegal.
	They put them at lower, there's a hierarchy in all jobs, so the men get the bigger, they get the bigger parts of the jobs.
	They get the better employment, benefits.
	Payment taking it.
	So there will be someone ahead of a company.
	And then, you know, people working around them are mostly men.
	And then under those men, there's the women, like in American Psycho, where, you know, Patrick Bateman had his assistant that was a woman.
	She obviously is getting paid less.
	And that's usually their part.
	Wait, she's getting paid less.
	What do you mean she's obviously getting paid less?
	Patrick Bayman.
	You don't even know how much Patrick Bateman's assistant is getting paid.
	Because he's an assistant.
	I know.
	Wait, so are you saying the assistant?
	And for an example, isn't he a lawyer in that?
	Is he a lawyer in that field?
	No, he's an investment banker.
	So the assistant should be paid as much as the investment banker?
	No, he's saying she's definitely getting paid less because she's a woman.
	No, I am saying even though we don't know her wage in the movie.
	Versus the other non-existent male assistant?
	You guys misconstrued my entire what I was trying to get at, so I would like to finish.
	I need the returns and tapes, but go ahead.
	I'm saying that they're hired at lower positions than the men in those whatever I'm speaking from when you're working when you're working.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to press that, my bad.
	Thank you, but yeah, I just, there's a hierarchy.
	So, yes, there's going to be more men that are the investment banker.
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	I refute wage gap.
	Wish I could have gotten hired only on the basis of being a woman.
	The privileges a woman is afforded are off the chart.
	Thank the patriarchy.
	I wanted to finish the part about me, because you guys asked before.
	Oh, like, how are you?
	Are you oppressed?
	How are you oppressed?
	And I was going to answer, I don't believe that I am oppressed because I make a good wage.
	I mean, as a woman societally, I've been treated differently.
	I don't know if you've had the, you know, are you going to get kidnapped when you're a child?
	When you were a little boy, did your mom pull you aside and tell you these things that you're going to be a victim?
	You know?
	My mom was terrified I would be kidnapped.
	Yeah.
	So, but a lot of men aren't told those things.
	Like, women are raised that way to where we're...
	Well, actually, speaking of...
	But I don't believe now...
	I'm saying now.
	Okay.
	But I believe in general, yes, that women are oppressed.
	But I am at a place of, I want to add one little point.
	There's people that can't speak for themselves that are of less status.
	I make enough money.
	I have my own apartment.
	I'm able to pay my own bills and that kind of thing.
	So I don't believe that I am oppressed because I work by myself, like personally.
	But when you were a young child, you were oppressed because there were fears of the people.
	No, no, I'm not saying the oppression thing, I'm saying that I don't believe I'm oppressed, but sex workers in general and women are oppressed.
	Yes.
	Like the lower the lower the status.
	I don't want to do it, though.
	Women are of lower status.
	So they generally, societally, lower status.
	Yes.
	Besides being, you know, able to get free drinks at a bar, which is like wonderful, cool.
	Not being subject to military description.
	When you say status, what do you mean by status?
	What do you mean by they're a lower status in society?
	Because women are just of lower status.
	We're not taking an age.
	That's a right to say different status.
	That's rather sexist.
	So if I ask you, I mean, I guess considering he's not making that statement.
	I mean, I guess consider me sexist.
	No, no, no.
	But what I'm saying is that if I ask you what they're saying.
	Yeah, if I say what makes them lower status and you say because they're lower status, it's regressive.
	So you're just kind of restating the claim.
	How are they lower status?
	What makes them lower status?
	Societally, there's a hierarchy.
	There's just a hierarchy.
	Men are up here.
	Women are here.
	Depending on what women know, men can't.
	And then what can women do?
	Do you think men are more valued than women?
	Yes, absolutely.
	And especially if sex workers are not less than 100%.
	One of the rules that we talked about at the beginning of the show is when either of us are talking, you need to stop.
	Brian wanted to ask you a follow-up question.
	You keep talking over everybody else on the panel, okay?
	Let him host the show, please.
	Are you starting to get fed up with it?
	I'm trying to.
	I'm just balancing.
	I know you're making a lot of it.
	It's your point.
	Sorry.
	It's not.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	I'm not trying to disrespect.
	I'm trying to double-check the conversation.
	Okay, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	I'll continue with the conversation.
	If it is the case that men are more valued than women, why is it the case that throughout all of human history, when there's a war, for example, men are the ones who are sent to war to go and to die?
	In my view, I believe that men are actually viewed as the disposable sex.
	I would argue that women are more valued because when it comes down to warfare, men are going to be the ones that are sent to war to go and die.
	Men are disposable.
	Women are valued.
	When women went to war in the 50s, or when men went to war.
	In the 50s, are you talking about the Korean War?
	What are you talking about?
	I'm not well versed in the war.
	Which war did women go to?
	Yeah, which war did women go to?
	But there was when there was a certain war time period where women were taking the work.
	They were doing all of that.
	Is that them going to war or being part of the war effort?
	They would have to go to...
	Just let me finish, please.
	Look, go ahead.
	No, I was...
	You interrupted me.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, I'm going to.
	No, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I would like you to finish.
	Just go ahead.
	But you said when women went to war, but I think you were talking, I was trying to clarify your point.
	I think you were trying to say that women were assisting with the war effort.
	But are you talking, I think you're referencing World War II.
	Women did not, at least in the United States, there was maybe one Russian sniper division.
	Maybe not to, I might be using the wrong word there.
	Women in mass were not involved in World War II from a combat perspective.
	But so what were you saying?
	I forgot.
	Okay, but just out of curiosity.
	Hold on.
	I would like to ask.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I'm really tired of this conversation.
	Out of curiosity, for you two, do you guys feel oppressed in society as women?
	I feel privileged.
	You feel privileged.
	Why do you feel privileged?
	There's a bunch of things as a woman that I can get away with that men can't.
	Like what?
	Like certain kind of expectations.
	Okay.
	Like, say, we're walking on a sidewalk and some person comes up to me, I would expect them, like, and did something weird or, you know, made me feel uncomfortable.
	Nine out of ten times, like, say I'm walking around in Seattle, there'll be another guy that's like, dude, what are you doing?
	Right?
	But if a dude gets in an argument with another guy, like it's a fight, right?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I feel valued.
	I feel like there's so many things that I can do.
	I feel like I'm picked over men a lot because I am a woman.
	What do you think of the narrative that women are just oppressed throughout all of society by the patriarchy?
	I think it's bullshit, and I think that it's a victim mentality.
	And I think that the more that you preach about it and the more that you try and convince yourself that, the more of a victim you will probably behave like.
	I would agree with that.
	How about yourself?
	Do you feel oppressed?
	No, not at all.
	How our household works is my husband is the head of the household.
	And I absolutely love gender roles.
	I think that they're really important.
	And I think that the sooner that we embrace them, you can find freedom.
	And with my husband, I have learned to be a submissive wife.
	And he always tells me, you submit yourself into freedom.
	If you go down the street, you can do whatever and say whatever you want.
	You carry a big husband.
	I fall under the protection of my husband, of a man.
	I think societally, yeah, I think that men dominate the system.
	But I think for the right reason.
	is that reason?
	how can i explain this i think that do you think it possibly comes down to like competency drive motivation male you know testosterone fueled motivation for success and to reach the top of industries and stuff like that I think so.
	Yeah.
	With the workforce, I think that men absolutely have that driving force.
	I think that women are, here's going to be the hot take.
	I think that women are made to be feminine, to be supportive.
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	Men work themselves to death doing hard jobs for theater women.
	Feikalanis, perhaps you never meet these men because you do not value yourself.
	Get some help, be Betty.
	Betty, Betty.
	If you want to continue on with your point, go ahead.
	You know, I just, I think that toxic masculinity, I don't know if I'm going too far off topic, I think it's a joke.
	I, again, really support gender roles.
	I think that they're really important.
	And I think that we're losing sight of it.
	So you don't feel oppressed conforming to a gender role in which you're submitting to your husband and subordinate to him?
	I really cannot think of any time that I have ever felt oppressed.
	I am just sitting here just speechless.
	Okay, we got a couple here.
	Go ahead.
	Somebody.
	My real quick to go to the bathroom.
	I'm really happy for you guys that you guys have had really good lives like that.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	You know, we all have issues.
	I'm not saying that I'm perfect.
	I'm not saying that I grew up with a perfect life.
	You know, it's a really interesting perspective because I actually, 10 years ago, I started off as a boss babe.
	All I wanted to do was work.
	All I cared about was money.
	I thought that my status depended on my monetary value.
	And it took a lot of work and a lot of arguments with my husband for him to make me realize, hey, being a submissive wife, it's in the Bible, first of all.
	I know that a lot of people are not religious, but I am.
	Yo, this is gold.
	I want to go in on this for a moment, if I may.
	How did your husband convert you from the boss babe mentality to the submissive wife mentality?
	It took years, first of all.
	It took years.
	What made the light bulb go off?
	Breaking down the pride.
	Breaking down the pride.
	You have to kill the self.
	You have to kill what you think is the most important thing, which is yourself.
	And you have to start doing things for others and the people that you love.
	So once I had identified that pride is the killer of all good things, then at that point is when it started being very clear to me that I didn't want to be submissive because I cared about myself and what I got out of the relationship was the most important thing rather than how can I give to the other person as much as I can without getting anything back.
	That's gold right there.
	What advice would you give out there to the women who are stuck in their pride and don't want to become those submissive housewives?
	Because it's something a lot of women struggle with.
	I would ask, what fulfills you?
	Okay.
	And does money fulfill you?
	What is it that drives you to live?
	I mean, for me, when I had children, my life got significantly better.
	I mean, the meaning of fulfillment, happiness, joy, love, all of those things, I experienced it in a way that I never thought I could.
	So there's hope.
	I know not all women want to have kids and want to be in a marriage or in a relationship, but I wouldn't discount yourself.
	And I love when my husband said, just submit yourself into freedom because once you do, I still get the, I get the respect for my husband that I deserve.
	He absolutely treats me like a queen.
	Being a queen means as soon as I come in with the groceries, you know what?
	They're at the door.
	They're taking the groceries out of my hand.
	I don't have to lift a finger.
	I don't pay the bills.
	I get, what do you need, honey?
	Here's the money.
	What do you need?
	Buy yourself whatever you want.
	That's what it's like to be treated as a queen.
	But I treat him like a king.
	And I look at him like he's my leader.
	He's my protector.
	He's my provider.
	And I'm going to treat him with respect.
	When he gets home from work, I'm not going to bombard him.
	Go take a shower.
	Here's your dinner.
	I'll be ready for you when you're all settled in.
	And I know a lot of women don't want to hear this, but this is reality because, look, I've been married for almost six years, and it has not been easy.
	And some family members know what we've gone through.
	How much easier?
	Sorry, how much easier has it become since you've adopted that traditional gender role?
	It's always going to be a challenge because by nature, we always want to go back to the self.
	And we always want to serve ourselves.
	But has it become easier?
	Has it made you guys live in greater harmony?
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, cool.
	And you mentioned pride.
	I have actually a quote: Proverbs 16, 18, pride comes before destruction and an arrogant spirit before fall.
	You had something, and then Sav, did you have something?
	I saw some hand raises earlier.
	Go ahead.
	So I would like to say that you are totally within your rights.
	It's beautiful that you want to be a submissive wife.
	And, you know, anybody that does want to be a submissive wife, I think you should be able to take that opportunity if the relationship allows for it.
	But I think it would be oppressive to push that upon other women.
	If we lived, you know, where you had to be, or if I, if a woman had to be a submissive wife.
	You don't have to do anything, but it might expand your pool of potential romantic partners if you're prepared to fall into a more traditional undesirable role.
	Just because I'm curious now, I just want to hear the end.
	Just before we dive into that, just before we dive into that, I just want, these are about to fall off on the chat, so I'm just going to read them really quick.
	Yo, trad wife, Cleo, as a woman, men are superior to women in any and every way.
	Not my word.
	Don't shoot the messenger here.
	Question for the girls: Would you rather be in the house with a man in a house or a woman in a house if there was a break-in?
	Love you, Chase.
	Wait, so would you rather be in a house with a man or in a house?
	What?
	Hold up against the bag.
	Would you rather be with a woman?
	A man or a woman?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's a good question.
	Whoever has a gun.
	Okay.
	Neither have a gun.
	Everything's equalized.
	Would you rather a man protect your woman?
	If everything's equalized, then it doesn't matter.
	No, I mean, like, in terms of weapons.
	No, I think your bodies.
	I don't know what that would look like.
	You're saying that there's a statistical men are stronger.
	Chase is saying that the guy you're with or the woman you're with doesn't have a weapon.
	Would you prefer the person who would potentially be helping you defend in that situation?
	Would you prefer that be a man or a woman?
	How am I supposed to know?
	Okay.
	A man can be built like the guy at the computer.
	Would you rather it was the average man or the average woman?
	I don't know what either one are built like.
	I don't know.
	You're 19 years old.
	I've seen the average.
	Here, if we can concede, if we can concede that certainly there are some women that are stronger than men, absolutely.
	There are kind of weak dudes, and there are super strong women.
	She hip thrusts, what, five?
	What did you say, 500 pounds?
	No, 590 pounds.
	Excuse me.
	590, my bad.
	There are some very strong women who are capable of defending themselves.
	Some of them are martial artists.
	We're not saying that no women can be stronger than men.
	I know.
	However, can you at least agree with this?
	Most men are stronger than most women.
	I don't know the statistics.
	No, there's not a fucking life experience.
	Well, let's equalize.
	Okay, then.
	Let's just say it's a man.
	It's a man and a woman.
	No, there are statistics.
	Search Google for average grip strength of men versus women.
	We'll just say a man and a woman both.
	We've already had this conversation.
	They're both bodies.
	We've already had this conversation.
	They both go to the same gym.
	They both have all of those things in common.
	They're 130 pounds.
	They both go to the gym.
	They both work out constantly.
	Which woman would you rather have defend you?
	Do I need a study to see that?
	Look, no, we don't need a study.
	Look, the actual statistics is the average man who doesn't work out is his upper body is three times stronger at least than the average woman's upper body with no physical exercise.
	If the man is stronger, my choice between this man and this woman and the man is stronger, I will choose a man.
	If I have the choice.
	Hold up.
	Men maximal hand grip strength showed the expected clear difference between men.
	Less expected was the gender-related distribution of hand grip strength.
	90% of females produced less force than 95% of males.
	So 95% of males were stronger than 90% of females.
	This is grip strength.
	This is not fighting strength.
	Let's just say I'm telling you.
	Hang on, just carry a gun, ladies.
	I know you just carry a gun.
	I get it.
	It's fair.
	So let's just try it this way.
	You had to choose blind.
	You have to choose blind, right?
	It's going to work.
	It's not going to work.
	No, no, no.
	You have to.
	That's the nature of the hypothetical.
	You have to choose blind whether or not you don't know what you're going to get.
	You don't know if you're going to get a super tough, awesome ass-kicking chick who knows ninjutsu or a UFC fighter dude.
	You don't know.
	You know what I mean?
	It's a 50-50 shot.
	You don't know what you're going to get.
	Who would you roll for?
	Who would you roll for?
	Who would you hope came out the other end?
	She's not going to give it to you.
	Yeah, no, no, but who would you?
	But if you had to choose one or the other blind, you don't know, right, which, right, you're rolling the dice.
	You can only choose one.
	Do you want a man to come out or do you want a woman to come out?
	You don't know what the variables of them are going to be.
	You only know this one task, which is that they're going to defend your life.
	Which one would you pick?
	Which one would you pick?
	I just want to let you two gentlemen know.
	I'm witnessing the case against the 19th Amendment play out in front of my eyes right now.
	You actually don't have a preference?
	Well, wait.
	You don't have a preference then?
	Okay, so, okay.
	So you're giving me all rolling the dice, right?
	All of the women in the world, all of the men in the world.
	How am I supposed to roll a dice?
	And then even if they're going to fight for my life with all of their strength that they have.
	Hang on.
	Listen, a hypothetical is designed to test your logic, right?
	Okay, so what we're doing is we're doing a thought experiment.
	Hold on.
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	Okay.
	All right.
	Jacama.
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure.
	He's talking about numbers.
	It's very confusing.
	So the question becomes this.
	Because they're trying to test your logic and say, we're telling you that on average, men are stronger.
	And you're saying, I'm not sure because unless I have the studies and this and that.
	So what I'm testing your logic to find out is this.
	If we had a situation where you had to choose blind, it's going to be a random woman or a random man who comes out to defend your life.
	And you could only choose one.
	There's a button there that's blue for man and red for woman, right?
	Which button would you push?
	You can only push one.
	I don't think she's going to do that.
	I think we can ask this question a million different ways.
	I will answer as close as possible to the answer that you guys want me to answer.
	I don't want to.
	I just want to know what you think.
	That's what I'm going to say.
	Okay, I don't want to hear what you think.
	I want to hear.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	If we take all the men and all of the women in the world and there are more strong men, stronger men in this Numbers in these numbers in this role of diet.
	If there's more strong men than there are strong women, I would choose the men.
	Okay, let me ask you a follow-up question or a leave.
	Does that make sense?
	So is that thorough?
	Okay.
	I think the previous question I asked you was, who do you think the hundred strongest people are in the world?
	And to me, you said you didn't.
	Are they all men?
	Are they all women?
	Is there a mix?
	All the men and all the women in the world are men stronger than women physically, generally speaking.
	We did talk about this earlier.
	Well, I'm just asking, generally speaking, are men physically stronger than women?
	Didn't I already say that?
	I could not answer the question.
	Pound for pound they are.
	Muscle density and bone density is proven that.
	I'm pretty sure we all answered superior to that question.
	No, she's not answering.
	She's saying she doesn't know.
	Which I think is fair.
	No, we just referenced statistics that showed that 95% of the time.
	That's grip.
	Grip strength is a huge.
	Grip strength is huge evidence of your upper body strength.
	Yeah.
	That's your hand.
	And you said it's not related to fighting strength.
	I used to wrestle in high school.
	Now, Hayden's high school, right?
	Nick, Nick, can you look up the male world deadlift record and the female world deadlift record?
	Thanks.
	Did you say that the men in the high school were stronger than the women in the high school?
	Not always.
	Like when you just look around?
	Not always.
	On average.
	Just most of them.
	Most of them are stronger than that.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Are you familiar with like Olympics, right?
	You know how there's weightlifting competitions in the Olympics?
	These are the most exceptional athletes of both men and women.
	If we were to show you that in not just weightlifting, but also in like lots of other sports, in swimming, in racing.
	I have a perfect example.
	And I'm saying this with all due respect, the U.S. national women's soccer team played a group of high school boys in soccer.
	Got scorched.
	They got smoked by the high school boy.
	These are the best female soccer players in America.
	They got smoked by a group of high school boys.
	Okay, cool.
	It's like, I'm not saying this to like shit on women or anything like that.
	It's just like it displays the difference between the sexes.
	It was just a matter of fact.
	There's no actual place to go in an argument if descriptive reality is rejected.
	So if the descriptive reality of that everybody on planet Earth is going to agree with is generally speaking, generally speaking, not in a monolith, there's going to be exceptions to this rule.
	Men are stronger than women.
	That's indisputable descriptive reality.
	So if that's rejected, I don't even know where you go with an argument.
	It's like a failed premise right away.
	So I think it would to have a more thorough argument whenever it comes to this stuff, you'd have to look at the actual biological factors that go into this.
	So like you were going to be.
	Like larger muscular, like let's say larger skeleton, for instance, more ability to create muscle mass, higher testosterone, all the things that lead to increased strength.
	Like all of those things which men have on average that are much larger than women, larger bone structure, the higher testosterone, especially.
	Do you think that men produce more testosterone or women on average?
	Probably men.
	So with volume women, it's definitely men.
	Look, on average, I can't remember if it's 100 times or 1,000 times more testosterone than men produce than women do, but this is what we're getting at.
	Men and what he's talking about, men produce the hormone testosterone.
	This governs why we have stronger bones, why we have stronger muscles.
	It also explains a lot of what feminists call the inequality in the world.
	I was touching on it earlier in the podcast.
	The hormone testosterone makes men more driven, more competitive, more aggressive.
	This is just built into the nature of reality.
	And it's what, factually speaking, like men are on average far stronger than women are.
	Doesn't mean women suck or that they're bad.
	It's just a difference between the sexes.
	And it's grounded in biological.
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	Men are built for violence and action.
	Women simply are not.
	Women will poison you in your sleep.
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	Men will fight you.
	Okay, thank you, Grid One.
	I think one good example of this is that in a lot of sports, if we're looking at the Olympics, for example, I believe that this isn't across all sports, but I think if you look at high school boys, you compare the top tier of high school boys.
	Fuck, okay.
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	Men are stronger in every way versus women.
	Time to Frank Castle.
	This.
	He's talking about physical strength.
	Why are you pouting about that?
	Thank you, LPK.
	Hold on.
	What did you say?
	I don't feel like it's a sign of weakness in women to admit that men are physically stronger.
	No, of course not.
	It's just biological reality.
	Yeah, and I think, you know, like people have different strengths and weaknesses, no matter the gender, no matter the race, anything like that.
	The point I was trying to make is that if you take, like, for example, with the 100-meter dash or whatever, you take races, you take swimming, all these sports, the records, the world records in high school sports for boys, they would be gold medalists in female sporting events.
	Nick, did you have something for us to pull up?
	Yeah, did you find the deadlifting records?
	Yeah, this is the male deadlift.
	Belongs to the middle of the next cell where I feel.
	So the male maximum deadlift record was set by Oleksil Novikov of the Ukraine, who set a new world record by lifting 1,180 pounds.
	You need to get the comparison.
	Do you have the female numbers?
	Okay.
	The female record was 672 pounds.
	So the male record, that's an extremely impressive deadlift for a female, by the way.
	It's an impressive deadlift for a male, too.
	The male deadlift record is almost twice as much as the female deadlift record.
	Well, wasn't it 1,800 pounds?
	It was 1,100,100 pounds.
	So it's double about?
	It's like 100%.
	That we just looked at, too, that statistic.
	It's about the same.
	Okay, so biologically speaking, are men physically stronger than women?
	On average.
	Girl, just say yes for them.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm so curious about this.
	We just showed you.
	We just showed you.
	You asked for the same.
	In all due respect, we just showed you empirical evidence.
	No, it's no, we're presenting just this is, look.
	Yes, and I speak.
	The strongest woman in the world at deadlifting lifted almost like a little over half of what the strongest man in the world did.
	Like all of the men and women in the world, those are the two strongest, and the man was almost twice as strong.
	Like, can't it, would it not be fair to concede that men are on average stronger?
	I think she's trying to say something and not being, she's not properly able to.
	How about just what is it?
	Go ahead.
	It's like I can see that fact and like I totally acknowledge that fact in this deadlift competition or comparison.
	Or U.S. national women's soccer versus high school boys.
	Do I need to find more metrics to build a more convincing condition?
	It's not about the case.
	I don't appreciate how you guys are cornering her with this because she can't even answer the question.
	She's saying, I'm not letting her speak.
	I would like to make sure that she's not going to be able to let her speak.
	Sorry, I do not feel cornered.
	This is a discussion, and I'm here to discuss.
	Great.
	I gotcha.
	That's I can see in these situations that in comparisons that the men are stronger than the women.
	They are beating the women.
	But I don't know if who would win in a fight?
	Why is it hard for these women to understand that men and women are different?
	Men are better than women in ways, and women are better than men in other ways.
	It doesn't mean men are better or vice versa.
	There's another one coming up that's about to fall off that I need to read, but I will let you come in because I know you were about to make your point.
	And I want to hear a real doc here.
	He says it's coming up in just a second.
	One sec, guys.
	Nicks, thank you very much for the donation.
	Appreciate it, man.
	A real doc.
	Doctor's salaries are very dependent on their specialty and where they work.
	A male pediatrician will not get paid as much as a female neurosurgeon.
	Thank you, Real Doc.
	Appreciate that.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry, the difference in strength?
	Yeah, you're saying in these different situations you conceded that men were stronger, but...
	Yes.
	I just don't feel comfortable saying that in general women are stronger versus men being stronger just because I don't know exactly what situation, what is stronger, what is not stronger.
	And I think it just...
	Let her finish.
	Let her finish.
	Because there's so much complexity in the argument.
	You're speaking in generalities.
	There's not complex.
	Okay, if we took all the men in the world, and we took all the women in the world, and we were to add up their collective strength, and let's say we, well, who's...
	Can we do that, though, is the question.
	No, you can't.
	If you're in logistically.
	Do you think that the male lions, the one with the manes, are stronger on average than the female lions, the one without the manes?
	Well, I would like to ask.
	Just on average.
	I don't know anything about lions.
	I'm not a biologist.
	I mean, you've seen them.
	Have you ever seen them in a zoo?
	We can actually, we can simplify it even further, okay?
	Look, almost every war, I would say probably every single war, actually, throughout human history, men have been conscripted by their countries to fight in the war.
	This isn't because of patriarchy.
	This isn't because of male-specific oppression or anything like that.
	The reason why men have always fought in wars is because every nation throughout the history of the world has had one goal in war, which is to win.
	And in order to win, we're talking life or death situations, like one country is invading another country, and that country that's being invaded needs to protect their people, otherwise they will die, get R-worded, pillaged, murdered, so on and so forth.
	Throughout all of history, men have always been sent to war because the countries wanted to win, and they knew that if they sent a bunch of women in there, they would get smoked.
	And this isn't commentary about women sucking or anything like that.
	It's just like everybody's always known if you send women to fight, they're going to die.
	If you send men, you might have a good chance.
	I would like to ask, didn't Spartan women, weren't they warriors in the world?
	Spartan women, that's a good question.
	And Spartan women actually prided themselves on not being warriors, but they were revered in their society for their ability to produce warriors.
	They viewed it as their mission and duty.
	It was their singular mission in life to give birth to warriors that could defend Sparta.
	Okay.
	And then what about Amazonian women?
	Are they not, that's a matriarch.
	You're talking about the exception.
	We're talking about the women's women's.
	I don't know.
	I don't know about Amazonian women.
	All three of us men here, and some of the women here, will concede there are women that are stronger than some men.
	Yes.
	There are women.
	Who can hip thrust more than probably 90% of dudes I know?
	There are women that are stronger than men.
	However, generally speaking, do you acknowledge that there are differences?
	Do you acknowledge there are physical Differences here between men and women.
	Yes.
	And is one of those physical strength and muscle mass?
	Bone dead.
	Not a biologist.
	And she's 19.
	Have you in high school?
	Did you compete in any sports?
	No.
	Okay.
	So, like, I'm more than willing to admit what I do and don't know here.
	And that's what I'm trying to put across.
	If somebody told me two plus two was four, I wouldn't sit here and just be like, well, I'm not sure.
	I don't know enough about it yet.
	I don't know if it looks like it's not.
	I would be like, oh, thank you for letting me know that.
	Sure.
	I haven't seen enough evidence that 2 plus 2 is.
	Why is it that in sport, why are the sporting events, why is it separated between men and women?
	Why do you think that is?
	I don't know, and I don't really like it.
	In my utopia that I described earlier, I'd be able to do that.
	You'd rather women be able to play football.
	You'd rather women be able to play football against males in football and just get absolutely destroyed.
	I'm not here to tell anybody what they can and can't do if they have fun.
	The whole point of sports is to have fun and enjoy fun competition.
	It's fun competition.
	Because other than that, there's no point to sports.
	You're just beating each other up.
	It's to win.
	And if women were competing against men, we would always lose.
	Why?
	Every single time.
	Why?
	Because of that.
	Anatomically, we are weaker.
	Well, what if they train twice as hard?
	That's not how it works.
	That's not reality.
	That's not biology.
	It's not black and white either.
	Sometimes, like, it's stronger.
	It's like such a black and white conversation.
	And it's not a black and white conversation.
	And there's no nuance to it because, like, yeah, sometimes maybe there's a men against women and women will win, but like the being, like, it's just so black.
	This might be able to get to the crux of it.
	So in Olympic, the 100-meter, 100-meter race, who's of the records that, world records that have been set between men and women, who's faster?
	Men.
	Is it men?
	It's men.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	In swimming, who is faster?
	Men or women?
	Is it men?
	I don't, because I like I, I guess.
	Nick, can you start pulling up Olympic world records?
	If you say it's men, I'll believe you.
	I think what you should also.
	What you should look at too, right, is the strengths and weaknesses of both genders, right?
	Like if you if you look at women, right, they actually have more productivity in their frontal lobes, right?
	Which allow for you know, like better like empathy delegation.
	Like yeah, like we can you know like write better everything kind of in those terms, right?
	Men have physical strength.
	I actually just don't even believe you at this point.
	Like I literally don't believe you.
	It's not possible at this point for you to even continue.
	Like at first I did.
	I was like, just maybe she's really stupid.
	But the thing is, is like ultimately, I don't think that that's the case.
	I think that you at this point do know, or maybe you're just like playing along.
	I don't know.
	But I don't know.
	How old are you?
	Possible.
	Okay, guys.
	I feel like we could have a daughter her age and you're calling her stupid.
	There's no possible.
	I don't know why you have to.
	There's no possible respect.
	19 years old.
	You didn't know that generally men are stronger than women.
	She's not politically birthed.
	She's not.
	Well, it's not a political issue.
	What political issue?
	The pain is white, and we're going to argue.
	I don't get it.
	I did just admit that I understand that there are physiological and beyond that differences between biological men and biological.
	It's fine because they'll clip you and make you look stupid.
	I think, I mean, even though you're 19 years old.
	Grid one works aspirational.
	Hold on.
	Brian, got to check out for a bit.
	Have a tech call to solve some real world issues.
	In the meantime, can the girls that are refusing to take a position define what they are looking for in a man?
	Take a position define.
	Can the girls that are refusing to take a position what they are looking for in a man?
	Hold on.
	We have to come back to that later because thank you.
	Thank you for tuning in.
	What are they looking for in a man?
	I need to do a couple of chats here.
	Nick, can you pull up the Twitch?
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	drops to follow, drops to prime sub.
	By the way, Brian, I don't know how much of your notes you want to get through tonight, but...
	No, I know.
	I need to get through some of them.
	Yo, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops afollow, drops the prime sub.
	Walls, tacos.
	Hey, stop.
	Insane B. Thank you, man.
	Lon, thank you.
	King Kong, thank you.
	Bear, thank you for the prime.
	Nellie, thank for the prime.
	Snell, thank you for the prime.
	Lampy Lamp, thank for the prime.
	Disparity, thank for the prime.
	Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever, drops afollow, drops the prime sub.
	Thank you guys.
	All right, we have Conan 19.
	The more I hear the right side of the panel talk, the more I agree with Mary about the 19th.
	Okay, thank you, Conan.
	Dr. Nablus, as we speak, women in Cuba are in line to receive buckets of water because Havana has no water for six days.
	There's no time for OF.
	Women are just trying to survive in this communist paradise.
	Capitalism gives you the freedom and electricity to expose yourself online.
	Okay.
	Also true.
	All right.
	There you have it.
	Nick, did you pull this one up?
	No, I haven't.
	Okay.
	Okay, there you have it.
	Let's see.
	Okay, we're all caught up on chats.
	I'm going to start.
	I need to start getting through some of my show notes here because we've lingered quite long on this topic.
	I don't know if I want to say agree to disagree on this because, I mean, there's just, there is the truth.
	There is fact.
	And the fact is, is that, generally speaking, men are biologically, or men are just stronger, physically stronger than women.
	Did you have something?
	I just wanted to have him finish what he was saying about me and my arguments.
	I just would like to know.
	So in order to try to keep it to less than two minutes, Bob, we have at least an argument at all.
	We have to first agree with some type of descriptive reality.
	If we can't agree to descriptive reality, we can't even have an argument.
	It's so absurd that we can't agree to the descriptive reality on this topic.
	He's absolutely right.
	Just move on as fast as possible.
	Because there's totally unproductive.
	Of course, men are on average stronger than women.
	Nobody would ever oppose this, right?
	I've never heard it in my life, ever.
	Never.
	Not even once.
	This is the first time.
	So congratulations.
	Wait, last thing on the other side.
	I'm sorry.
	I also just find it fascinating because earlier in the conversation when we were talking about Marines, you were like, I like them.
	No, I don't.
	You didn't.
	I like one.
	Okay, but somebody made a comment about Marines and you're like, uh-huh.
	Okay.
	In general.
	And there's a reason for that because they're studs.
	I've taught.
	I've been trying to find this website for the past 20 minutes now.
	Nick, go to boysverswomen.com.
	What is this?
	That sounds very weird.
	This is high school, male high school athletes versus female Olympians.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Can you scroll it bigger?
	Scroll it bigger.
	A little bigger, please.
	A little bigger, please.
	No, no, no.
	Stay up top.
	Let me read this.
	If boys win against the fastest women, is it fair for males to compete in female-only athletic events?
	So this is male high school athletes versus female Olympians.
	This would be their overall medal count if they were to compete against each other in the Olympics.
	Those are the medals that all the boys would win.
	That's how many medals the women would win.
	Scroll down.
	The best female athletes in the world.
	Okay, so this is track and field.
	2016 high school boys versus 2016 Olympic women's finalists.
	Okay, so I think this is high school boys in the U.S. versus all women in the entire Olympics is the highest level of athletic competition.
	So this is the 100 meters.
	Scroll down, Nick.
	Wait, wait, so sorry, hold on.
	Whoa.
	100 meters.
	Wait, hold on.
	So for the 100 meters, the fastest boy would be 10.44 seconds.
	The fastest woman would be 10.71 seconds.
	So the fastest high school boys out-compete.
	There's eight high school boys that out-compete the top women in the 100 meters.
	Same with the 200 meters.
	Scroll down, Nick.
	And it says nut weight.
	Hold on.
	None of the women's finals performances met the qualifying time to enter the boys competition in high school.
	400 meters, scroll down.
	Just a little more?
	Yeah, that's good.
	And then it's going to resort it.
	Okay, same with the 400 meters, same with the 800 meters.
	Scroll down.
	This is for track and field and swimming.
	Okay.
	The women actually beat the high school boys in the 5,000 meters.
	I think there is actually something for long distance running in some competitions.
	I think female muscle fibers are endurance sometimes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Next, scroll down.
	Something like that.
	This is the meter, the 400-meter relay.
	And then it's going to just resort everything.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Scroll down.
	Long jump, triple jump.
	So this is jump distance.
	Okay.
	All right.
	High jump, pole vault.
	Okay.
	Keep in mind, the blue is men, red is women.
	Shot put.
	Okay, let's do swimming.
	Can you scroll down?
	Okay, next.
	This is the freestyle.
	Would you like to, are you showing me all these to make your point?
	Well, I mean, just across all the various different athletic.
	Is the point made?
	Or is this not convincing?
	Is this not convincing?
	Wait, hold on.
	What were you going to say?
	I believed you 20 minutes ago about all of these specific sports events and stuff like that.
	Boys beating women and stuff like that.
	You didn't have to do this.
	I didn't ask for evidence in these specific situations.
	No, but you asked for stats.
	I did ask for statistics on strength, but then again, we bring up what is strength.
	Give us a definition of strength, then, that you think we would disagree with.
	I guess the ability to fight or defend would be a good...
	Yeah, no, we wouldn't disagree.
	We wouldn't disagree that strength would be probably something which would be taken into account for a fight or something like this.
	So if you think that we would agree with you, generally speaking, on what you think strength is, I don't think we would disagree.
	Do you think we would disagree about what strength is?
	I think there's just so many different ways to consider it and like ways that we need strength.
	So like we need strength in this way for sports and stuff like that, but we need strength in a different way whenever it comes to defense or like defense of a household, self-defense situations.
	Yeah, but with the strength that's required for like playing sports, right?
	Do you think that that's some kind of different type of strength than what's required for self-defense?
	I don't think it's necessarily separate, but I would say it is different.
	Well, okay, what's the difference?
	One, I said I'm not a biologist, so I can't tell you the physiological differences that it takes to fight someone versus to jump a hurdle, but it seems kind of obvious that there would be some sort of difference in the body parts that you would need to beat somebody up versus to jump over.
	All of those combinations of body parts that all those combinations of people have for both sports and for self-defense.
	Why in the world would you ever do anything but assume that men, generally speaking, are going to do better in all of those situations with all of those body parts just based on observable descriptive reality?
	You said, why would I assume or why would I not assume?
	Yeah, why would you not assume that?
	I mean, you have to start with an assumption.
	Assuming makes an ass out of you and me.
	Well, then you can't make an argument because an argument starts with an assumption.
	Just out of curiosity.
	Hold on, guys.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Out of curiosity, how many women at this table find strength to be an attractive quality in a man?
	Physical strength, right?
	Physical strength.
	You find that to be an attractive quality in a man?
	Okay, just checking.
	Not just like a matter of fact.
	Well, but what kind of strength is that?
	Is that shoulder strength or is it knee strength or is it shot put strength versus defensive strength?
	What kind of strength do you find attractive in a man?
	The strength to defend me if the situation arises.
	Also, I like a man strong enough to carry me whenever I'm tipsy or something like that.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Let me ask you: do you, so you guys all raised your hand saying that you find strength attractive in a man.
	Don't you think that's a bit oppressive towards weak men to have that preference?
	Is that the patriarchy that's giving you those preferences?
	No.
	So you guys have a preference, right?
	Yeah, oppression.
	Just like everyone has a preference.
	I have a preference, but I don't like go around telling, like, talking to everybody about how I hate the other people that I'm not attracted to.
	I'm like, oh, well, they're ugly.
	I'm not going to say someone's ugly.
	You guys do exactly that.
	Yeah.
	Do exactly what I want.
	I'm never going to be ugly.
	Oh, because I don't find you attractive.
	You must be so ugly that no one will ever like you.
	I don't do that.
	That's how people talk to me.
	I've seen clips of you.
	That sucks.
	You do a lot of podcasts.
	So you might not remember.
	I've seen clips of you saying that women are mainly you, I think.
	Oh, it's mainly man.
	Yeah, saying that women, certain women are ugly.
	You're like, I've never, you're just not.
	That's literally fake.
	You're not a human.
	He does say women aren't 10.
	I do say women are a lot of people.
	A lot of women, but that doesn't mean women are not.
	But it's like insinuating that.
	You know what I think we should do?
	I think we should move on past this.
	I think we should start getting to some of these notes.
	We've talked about the physical strength of our.
	But I've never called a woman on this podcast ugly.
	Please don't misrepresent or try to fake news something that I've said.
	Be precise with your words.
	Yes, I have told women who claim to be tens they're not tens.
	Okay.
	That doesn't mean I'm calling them ugly.
	I've certainly never called any woman on this podcast ugly either.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Okay, cool.
	Glad we established that.
	Do you want to start on the notes?
	I think we should get back to the next one.
	Can we have one chat?
	It'd make you guys feel better.
	The real Mr. Meepal, I respect girl who's arguing here, not backing down, but you got to concede this one, got to be able to listen to facts and change your mind.
	I think I was able to change my mind per se.
	I did end up conceding with you guys that.
	Took about an hour.
	What did you concede?
	It took about an hour.
	There are physiological differences between biological men and biological women.
	But I think that was your position to begin with, right?
	Her position was that she would have to see the data in order to determine whether or not men or women would be stronger.
	That was her original position.
	And now she's conceding that on average men are stronger than women, correct?
	By a lot of men.
	On average, on average, are men stronger than women.
	In most things, most being 51% like guns.
	Kill the pride.
	You don't have to double down.
	Nobody's going to shame you for it.
	The truth is there.
	We've been listening to it for an hour.
	St. Thomas Coreyzy donated $200.
	Men tend to be more psychically powerful.
	Women tend to be more socially powerful.
	Women in America are not oppressed.
	Psychic.
	LOL.
	I would, you know, at some point during the show, I would love to hear more from this side of the panel.
	Well, I'm going to try to get into my notes here, but not on this subject.
	On average, are men more physically strong than women?
	On average, based on the population, numbers in the population, I could say more than likely.
	Okay, well, that's the closest that I'm probably going to be.
	Okay, moving on.
	All right.
	All right.
	Moving on.
	Okay.
	Here, where do it?
	Let's see.
	With Azure, right?
	Okay, Azure.
	You appear.
	I'm getting into my notes finally here, and I'm going to try to get through them as quickly as possible.
	You appear to have a crush on Hassan Abi.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, and shout out.
	If he ever watches this, I'm sorry.
	Sorry for what?
	For being on here.
	He hates it here.
	Why?
	He's a socialist, and he knows the formula of the podcast.
	What's I'm not going to go into?
	You know.
	You understand?
	It's possible that because he's such a low-tier, low-brow debater and has absolutely no problem.
	He's not a debater, and he's been very clear that he doesn't.
	He's not going to be because he's literally a moron.
	So it doesn't surprise me he answers.
	I completely disagree, but he doesn't have a debate there.
	He doesn't say that he's the smartest person.
	He's an internet personality who got his job because he had contacts.
	Do you watch political commentate?
	Yes.
	I'm a political commentator.
	Okay, well, and people watch you.
	Yes.
	And there's people who think you're an idiot.
	Yes, but you know, the difference is that I debate with those people and beat them.
	And you know what he does?
	He loses.
	Sounds like he doesn't debate them at all.
	He doesn't debate.
	He doesn't debate.
	He was going to debate that one dude with the blue hair, but that guy is destiny would absolutely annihilate.
	It wouldn't even be close because he's annihilated.
	He's good at probing questions.
	That's the only way.
	What's a probing question?
	What does that mean?
	When you're asking questions that really have no point.
	What?
	When you're asking questions that really just it's a question that stands, there's no answer.
	There's no middle ground.
	Rhetorical question.
	Okay.
	Here, just I don't want to linger too long on this.
	You shot your shot.
	But yes, I love.
	Shout out, Hassan.
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	Please move away from brain-dead brats.
	Brixon would love to hear more from Zam number seven.
	Only five sentences this episode.
	Interested in how you met your husband and how long dating before marriage?
	That's a good question.
	You want to answer that?
	Sure.
	Actually, so I met my husband on a Wednesday.
	The next day, we didn't see each other.
	We had a great date.
	We didn't see each other the next day.
	The Friday, we saw each other.
	We had not spent a night away since until the night before marriage.
	So we got engaged four months after we met.
	Sweet.
	Sweet.
	So you would get with Hassan Abi?
	Yes.
	But he never responded to your DMs.
	Is that what happened?
	Did you DM or it wasn't a DM?
	Oh, okay.
	It was a comment, and there was a random article made out of it.
	You have a, let's see, you have a, maybe I'll, here, I'll just finish your notes here.
	You had a late golf story.
	What happened there?
	Was it about a dating story?
	Okay, looks like.
	I'll prompt it.
	Was late and he went golfing and said I could go golfing with him and it was freezing cold and I almost hit him with the club on accident and he was mad the entire time.
	Yeah.
	How late were you to the date?
	I think I was about like 15, but I texted.
	Okay.
	Okay, that's not too bad.
	One of your notes here, you said, why is it harder to find a more meaningful relationship?
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	It's just like on both sides, like we live in a modern society, so it's just bad on both ends to date these days.
	Okay.
	Regardless of if I had an OnlyFans or not, like it's just harder for a lot of people to date.
	Okay.
	And find meaningful relationships.
	So.
	Yeah, you also wrote here, men.
	I like to separate certain things.
	Like, I know that you guys are Christian and traditionalism.
	So if I talk about, I'm not going to ever talk about your Christianity and disrespect your religion.
	But the traditionalism within that, I defer that opinion.
	Okay, you also wrote here, men feel defeated, and so do women.
	We're all defeated from what we see on social media, what we see in our own families and what we're expected to be.
	I mean, do you feel that you've contributed to that by like some of your own social media posts or anything?
	I mean, I feel like you might pull up something, but when I make jokes online about like hating men, it's me punching up.
	And I have like an echo chamber on wait, you said it's you punching up?
	Yeah.
	I think when I make jokes about men, it's not serious.
	And it's with a bunch.
	My on the algorithm on TikTok, it shows it to other women.
	So.
	Wait, so you're telling me that dating is difficult in the modern world because of the divisions between the sexes, but you're actively contributing to it by hating men online?
	I don't hate men.
	I mean, you say you do.
	Oh, it's jokes.
	What's the joke?
	What's an example of a joke?
	Like, I mean, I write down stupid jokes on TikTok.
	Like, I can't think of a joke.
	Name one that's gone viral.
	If any of them.
	Like, like the femme.
	I'm like, I had like a bad experience with a guy and I was like, I'm going to become a femme.
	It's not, I don't really think it's not so.
	I find your language interesting that you're saying that you're punching up towards men because in your own mind, you're putting men above you.
	You guys have been talking the whole podcast.
	I just think when I'm making those statements.
	Stop.
	Hold on.
	Let me finish my point.
	You guys have been talking this whole podcast about how men oppress women, but you are choosing to place men above you in your own mind.
	Whereas I actually look at women as of equal value and worth in God's eyes.
	I don't look down on women.
	I recognize that there is a hierarchy.
	As you mentioned, I'm a Christian, and there is a hierarchy in God's eyes as outlined by the word, but I don't look down on women and see women as less than.
	But you're kind of mentally placed, like throughout this whole podcast, you guys have been talking about all this stuff about oppression and all these narratives.
	And I would argue that those ideas that you're perpetuating throughout society are actually alienating men that might want to date you guys.
	I feel like I just, the words that I'm going to say are being framed a certain way.
	I don't feel, I feel a lot of privilege.
	So like I can't speak for the women who don't have the privilege that I have.
	So I'm not saying that I am oppressed, but as a woman, yes, women, to me in society, have been oppressed, but not necessarily me as an adult.
	Like I can, I don't want to go into the oppression stuff.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Well, you asked.
	I know, I know, I got you.
	I got you.
	On the punching up thing, so you're saying, well, me Making sexist statements about men is justified, but the reverse is it would be when men make fun of women or say sexist statements about women that's punching down?
	I'll just say like jokes like if you if you're like I made a joke where I'm like if you're making online contact online content that's misogynistic chauvinistic whatever and you're not you're talking about all the strength of men whatever building society and you're not doing it yourself.
	It's just I'm I'm like I just make fun of that.
	But not just you like people in general like consciousness.
	I'm trying to dig in into the words that you used punching up.
	What do you mean when you say punching up?
	Because if a man makes statements about women that are that is sexist and joking but if a woman makes statements about men that's not sexist yes it's still sexist but there's not like a huge like there's not gonna be more violence towards men because I made it a stupid joke.
	I'm not gonna like endorse you know hate towards men.
	I think that podcasts like these don't even they don't even encourage the real issues of mental health because I don't believe I'm not sure if you guys believe in mental illness.
	This isn't a mental health podcast.
	It's under the guise of a dating podcast, but it's very political.
	You guys are Christians.
	You guys have to say that.
	You just talked about how politics is inherently a part of dating.
	Like, of course, it's going to be a political show.
	Can you refrain?
	We actually don't talk about.
	When did I mention that politics was a political?
	Because you're saying one of the problems in the dating world is that there's a divide between what a lot of men believe and what a lot of women believe, and you referenced us, and you called us Christians, which, by the way, is news to me.
	Brian, are you a Christian?
	I feel like.
	I'm a man of God.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've started referencing a lot of Bible verses throughout the day.
	I said if you worked on it, I read a little bit.
	I read a little bit here and there.
	There's some fucking based verses and stuff.
	But, you know, to answer your question, you were talking about how we're Christians and we subscribe to traditional beliefs and a lot of that overlaps with politics as well.
	And you're saying you guys don't talk about mental health enough.
	You talk about politics.
	It's like, yeah, it's a dating podcast.
	Politics is part of dating.
	And traditional.
	I want to go around the table on this.
	So related to what you said about punching up, can you be sexist against men?
	Can you hide behind the mic, please?
	I had a question before, but now I forgot it already.
	Can you tell me your question again?
	Can you be sexist against men?
	Yeah.
	It depends how you look at the definition of sexist.
	Okay.
	What is the definition of sexism?
	Okay, if you hit it.
	Okay, fine.
	Here, I'll look it up.
	I'll look it up.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	I'll look it up.
	Because I don't have a dictionary that works.
	Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex.
	No.
	You can't be prejudiced, discriminate, or stereotype on the basis of sex against men?
	Or you don't?
	I don't.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	When a man acts a certain way.
	What about you?
	Wait, did she end?
	So you can't be sexist against men?
	No, you can be sexist.
	Oh, you can be.
	Okay, I see.
	I guess, yeah.
	With that definition, yeah, I think you can be sexist.
	But are you saying there's a different.
	I see what you're saying.
	You're saying that your definition of sexism, there's a component of power, right?
	What's the one with racism?
	Power dynamic.
	Yes, exactly.
	I want to get it right, but fuck, what is it?
	Am I systemic racism?
	Well, no, oftentimes.
	No, they'll say, for example, do you think you can be racist towards someone who's white?
	It's exactly like that comparison.
	It's like I can have prejudices and biases against men, just like black people can have prejudices and biases against white people, but it's very different because those prejudices and biases do not have a ingrained role into our society.
	So you're talking about institutional racism versus institutional sexism.
	So if we're going to use this as a contrast and use institutional sexism as like a basis here, what institutions are sexist?
	The feelings is a good one.
	The mention of men being sexual.
	No, no, institutions.
	Institutions as in like government systems?
	No, no, yeah.
	Any, well, whatever you want to define as an institution, but definitely your feelings are not an institution.
	Okay, yeah, yeah.
	I know that it's not.
	Okay, so your definition of sexism would be prejudice plus power.
	Same with racism.
	Yes.
	It's not that there has to be someone who has power in the dynamic.
	So prejudice plus power.
	Right.
	Yes.
	So if there's not power on the other end, it's not racist.
	Then it's not really racist because there's no power behind it.
	So this would be the distinction.
	Using your guys' definition of sexism, can you be sexist against men?
	Wait, you just include both of us.
	I'm going to go around the table.
	Go ahead.
	Maybe you just read and define it real quick.
	Yes, I'm reclarifying the question.
	Yeah, like, do you believe that it's systemic?
	Do you believe that in kind of the same thing?
	Sexism is systemic?
	Yeah, that there are systems which are in place in order to enforce using your definition of sexism.
	Do you think it's possible to be sexist against men?
	Can you, as a woman, be sexist against men?
	Modest Hakeemer donated $200.
	This panel of six is interesting.
	Interested in why the other four are here?
	Are they allowed to speak?
	Will you ask them questions?
	You're going to wait until after show.
	Legit disrespectful.
	We're going to get inside and we'll get there.
	I mean, to his point, I will say, we're almost three hours in and have heard very little from these ladies.
	We're going to try to bring them in.
	Go ahead.
	question again sexism and if your definition of set and your definition definition of sexism Do you think that you can be sexist towards a man?
	Can people be sexist towards men?
	Can women be sexist towards men?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Using your definition of sexism.
	Prejudice plus power.
	I didn't say that was my definition.
	You just let me in with her.
	Yes.
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	No, no.
	So you cannot be sexist towards men?
	Not with my definition of sexism.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Yes, I believe you can, but it does it make the same difference.
	It's not so not societally the same.
	It's not the same.
	So it's more justified to be sexist towards men, is what you're saying.
	I'm not saying it's justified.
	I'm saying that it's not going to make a actual impact.
	Of course it makes an impact.
	So I can't frame it in a short sentence because there's men's issues that need to be addressed.
	But yes, it's not going to impact men as much as sexism towards women is going to impact women.
	It's just not.
	I entirely disavow that.
	Erroneous.
	If you look at most of life's negative consequences, they typically fall upon men.
	So I think men are not.
	And I believe there's a lot of men's issues, and I fully believe that that should be addressed.
	But I'm not seeing it ever be addressed.
	And I can't just answer for both sides how I want to in a short little black and white statement.
	So I'm not sure.
	Well, I disagree with you that the sexism that manifests against or towards men is somehow not as impactful as the sexism that manifests towards women.
	Sexism manifests in many different ways.
	Sure.
	So are you afraid to look back when you're walking down the street?
	Well, speaking of the people who are not.
	Are you afraid to do that?
	Speaking of that, the reality is.
	Men can be.
	If you're going to ask me a question and I start talking, you be quiet while I'm answering.
	Okay.
	When it comes to actual threat of physical violence, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	And as somebody who has victim blaming.
	As somebody who has been physically assaulted.
	So by who?
	What gender is more likely to assault the men?
	That's victim blaming.
	Men are.
	Don't say I'm victim blaming.
	Because men are more likely to assault other men.
	Very, very, very small proportion of men.
	A very small proportion of men.
	In any case, the gender of the perpetrator does nothing to diminish the fact that somebody has been victimized.
	I'm not saying you're reframing my words in a way that I do not want to be.
	But it's a fallacious argument to say, because I've just pointed out, well, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime, and you're saying what is the same.
	By other men.
	I'm saying by which gender.
	But that does nothing to refute my point.
	Okay.
	You just saying if they happen to be XYZ, it does nothing to refute the point that men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	I don't believe men are more likely to be victims of violent crime, but I do believe it.
	They are not.
	But it's by other men.
	It's by other men.
	Well, that's irrelevant because that's victim blaming.
	How is that victim blaming?
	Because the gender of the perpetrator doesn't diminish the fact that somebody has just been victimized.
	I didn't say diminished it.
	I'm saying men.
	You know what?
	You are not going to be twisting anything.
	You're saying that I'm victim blaming because I said that men are the ones that are perpetrating the violence towards other men.
	Like, there are women.
	There are cases of, there's, of course, women, like women.
	Hold on, let me take a breath because there are women who are perpetrators as well, but you're saying it's more likely that men are going to be a victim of violence.
	The two can be also, you also have said in the past on this podcast that men are more aggressive to testosterone.
	So it's men.
	Yes, you did.
	I'm sorry, I can't correlate it.
	You don't need to be men, though.
	Just say your point.
	But that's my point.
	I'm just saying that.
	A very, what I would point out, it's a very, very small proportion of men who are violently inclined.
	The point I was contending was you said that, oh, Brian, are you ever scared of having to look over your shoulder?
	And I pointed out that actually the reality is, despite the fact that women might feel more vulnerable or might feel less safe, doesn't actually mean that they actually feel like yo, you need to stop fucking interrupting.
	Please, let me finish my point.
	Okay, you know what?
	No, you just let me finish my point.
	No, but you've been.
	I feel like it's a conversation.
	Yeah, but let me finish my points.
	I let you speak.
	Okay.
	Stop interrupting, please.
	Just because you might feel more unsafe doesn't mean that in actuality you actually are more unsafe than men are.
	You guys literally went on a tangent for almost an hour about how much stronger men are compared to women.
	So I'm not understanding why you're saying that women could like are not meant to be afraid of other of being perpetrated by a male.
	Or be afraid to walk.
	I didn't say that.
	You didn't say that, but you implied it.
	I did not imply it either.
	But what I'm saying is, is the reality is, and if you look at crime statistics, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	And you sat there saying...
	By which gender?
	By male.
	By other myths.
	By other men.
	By the way, he's saying that that's a non-sequitur.
	So it doesn't matter that that's a thing.
	He didn't say it doesn't matter.
	It's a non-sequitur, which means that it doesn't follow that that matters.
	So why does it follow that it matters that that's true?
	Because I was saying that women are scared.
	Like women are just scared of different, like small things that men will not think about, are not going to have in the back of their minds.
	As somebody who's been physically assaulted, yes, I am very aware of, like, if I go outside, that I could be physically assaulted.
	It's completely different.
	That's not just a woman thing.
	Women will frequently argue, you don't have to be worried about going out at night and getting jumped.
	Actually, yes, men do.
	Are you saying that you're weak?
	Oh my gosh.
	I think we should move on.
	What do you mean, weak?
	If three men want to mug me, this is here.
	First off, we're way past the scope of the subject of the podcast.
	You guys could go back and forth about this for me.
	I could just leave.
	No, you don't have to literally say that.
	Stop it.
	You don't have to leave.
	don't have to leave what i do want to do though is because you're saying i'm interrupting and i'm just like trying to bounce off You are aware of that.
	To be quite frank, I think that this is bad content and also like these.
	Yes, this argument is just not.
	It's not a good argument, and it's beyond the scope of the moment.
	it doesn't make me look stupid i'm not saying it's no i'm not saying it's because it doesn't make you look stupid Hold on, just hang tight for one sec.
	Can I take a, like, I need to take a break.
	I want you to just hang tight for one sec.
	We'll slow down a little bit.
	Okay, we were mentioning, and then I'm leaving.
	Damn.
	Mute this girl's eye content and then a $500 donation.
	I'm not getting paid.
	I could leave a moment.
	Just hang tight for a sec.
	Okay, well, I'll come back to that.
	Here, let me see here.
	We have...
	Did you want to ask the other girls at the table?
	Did you want to ask the other girls at the table?
	Yeah, I have some.
	Which question?
	Uh.
	What was it?
	It was, are you a victim of sexism?
	No, can't be a person.
	Can women be sexist to me?
	Can women be sexist?
	Okay, go ahead.
	I believe that anyone holds the inherent ability to be discriminated upon.
	Okay.
	Can women be sexist towards men?
	Yes, because I expect there are things that role is made solely for men and there are things that I expect from a man solely because he's a man.
	So yes.
	Okay.
	Is that, would you call that sexist?
	Yeah.
	Is it okay, though?
	I am sexist, yeah.
	I expect men to do certain things because they're a man, and that's okay.
	I think that's reasonable.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yes, I think that we can be sexist towards men.
	I also think that the term is used way too loosely these days, and I also think that stereotypes are true.
	That's why they're stereotypes.
	Real.
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course they can.
	And then I'm not going to linger on this one.
	It's related to that question.
	Don't agree with what?
	That like a white person can be.
	Into the mic, please.
	A white person can be racist.
	Someone can be racist to a white person.
	I don't really.
	You don't think?
	I mean, maybe they can, but anything somebody has ever said to me about me being white, I don't care.
	Okay.
	It doesn't mean anything.
	No, someone cannot be racist towards a white person.
	Okay.
	Can I pause this?
	Can you answer the question?
	Just answer the question, please.
	Just absolutely the, the, yeah, no.
	Okay.
	Oh, sorry.
	I was mad at my mind.
	You know, like, as I stated before, I feel like everyone holds the inherent ability to be discriminated upon.
	We don't need to linger too long.
	Go ahead.
	Well, yes, no.
	It's yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yep.
	Yes, absolutely.
	This is crazy.
	This is taking so long.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry, not to be rude, but I can't believe that they have to think about it.
	Yes, you can be racist towards white people.
	It's happening in our country right now.
	Yes, it is.
	Okay.
	Maybe if we have time, we can come back to that later on.
	But okay, let me see my notes here.
	We have, let's see, let's bring in Savannah here, the Savannah.
	You said you're a Bikini Barista in Washington State, but I'm also very conservative politically and Christian.
	And you consider yourself traditional?
	Yep.
	Okay, you said there's a story of a married man.
	What's that story there?
	So this guy would.
	Wait, how does that pertain to me being a Bikini Barista, though?
	Well, no, I was just.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, anyway.
	So one time I started going out with this guy, and I didn't know he was married.
	He told me that he lied and said that he wasn't married.
	And then like a couple months into dating, still, it wasn't like serious.
	Like I hadn't slept with him or anything like that.
	His wife messaged me on Instagram and was like, how do you know so-and-so?
	And I was like, why are you asking?
	And yeah, so eventually she showed me their marriage certificate.
	And so we met up at a Starbucks and I showed her all the text messages and told her everything that happened.
	And yeah, he just got caught up.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you said it was you've only had one serious boyfriend, two situationships.
	Those are the only guys that you've ever hooked up with.
	Did you mention that there was the age gap too, right?
	Yeah, he was, I think he's 43 and I'm 26.
	Okay, but when you met, I think you said he was 38, you were 22.
	Yeah, something around there.
	Okay, did you mention the thing about the wife contacting you?
	Yeah, so eventually the wife contacted me and then I gave her all the info, blah, blah, blah.
	But it turns out that they were actually separated by the time that she had contacted me.
	So she had lied and said that they were still married.
	It's kind of messy.
	Sure.
	And a couple notes from you here.
	You said that body count for women matters.
	It affects their ability to pair bond properly.
	Absolutely.
	Casual dating, sex is ruining the world and causing things like lack of commitment, unwanted pregnancies, abortion, which you say should be illegal, and taking the sacredness out of sex in itself.
	And also that feminism is evil and ruining the world.
	Do you care to expand on your view of feminism at all?
	I think that modern-day feminism is toxic.
	I think that it encourages women to be what they shouldn't be.
	I think that it encourages them to give away sex without any commitment.
	And I think that that in return encourages men to not ever give commitment, right?
	Sure.
	Because, you know, there's no point in getting married and doing all of the things if women are not going to hold themselves up to a higher standard and be worthy of marrying.
	Why do you think feminism encourages women to give away sex without any commitment?
	Because they think that it's empowering, but it's not.
	What's empowering is denying and telling men no.
	Facts.
	Yeah.
	What about the other waves of feminism, like first wave?
	First wave, like Mary Wollstonecraft and all them, I think were amazing.
	In fact, they were pro-life.
	Really?
	Yeah, I wrote an essay about it.
	So you think that the original feminism then, or what you consider first-wave feminism, was good?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah, to some degree.
	Yeah, I was.
	What was the first wave of feminism?
	There's a couple different waves of feminism.
	Yeah, but it was the first wave.
	It was just like, you know, basic equality.
	When like half the women were allowed to vote?
	No, women weren't allowed to vote yet.
	I think it was like, what, the early 1900s?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Where the suffragettes came out.
	But that aside, let's move back.
	I just wanted to curious on first wave feminism as a grounding foundation.
	Why would you say that that was good?
	I think because it established us as human beings worthy of having some rights, like voting.
	So you think that voting rights were good?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, but how come women don't want them?
	Women don't want voting rights?
	How come they didn't want them?
	I couldn't tell you.
	Yeah, almost no women wanted to vote.
	And I wasn't aware that they didn't want that.
	I certainly want voting rights.
	Why?
	Because I have an opinion and I'm a human being.
	Yeah, so, well, let me ask you this.
	Women get the right to vote because you want to expand rights.
	Sure.
	How come women, when they vote, though, usually vote for more security in the state rather than voting to expand rights?
	So it's been my experience that usually nobody wants to vote themselves a right to do a good thing.
	They always want to vote themselves a right for some form of degeneracy.
	I've never actually seen someone say, I want to be more free for more responsibility.
	I want to be more free so that I have more duty in society.
	Well, then you haven't met me because that's what would you, so what do you want to vote for?
	What do you want the vote for exactly?
	What do you think?
	Why do you want to vote?
	Well, for me, I'm a patriarchist, right?
	So from the grounding foundation, you say, you're a Christian.
	Sure.
	Right?
	Okay, so do you think in society, as a Christian, in a Christian society, why do you think that your founders didn't give women the right to vote?
	I never said anything about a Christian society.
	Yeah, yeah, but why do you think the founders didn't give women the right to vote?
	I don't know, and I don't care.
	You don't care?
	No, I don't.
	Probably because they were based in religion, right?
	But I don't believe, I believe in separation of church and state.
	Right, so you're standing more and more like a progressive and not a conservative to me.
	Well, that's what we're doing.
	So if we move it, so if we move into first-wave feminism, so now you don't want, you want a separation between church and state as well.
	Where does it say?
	Can you tell me, other than like some basic, I don't like abortion, what do you actually disagree with progressive women on?
	A lot of things.
	Like?
	Like, I believe that, like, what do you mean?
	Like, feminism.
	This gives me anything besides just I don't like abortion, right?
	So what I've noticed this trend of are you trying to ask me if I economically am conservative?
	I've noticed this trend of women who are always like, look, I'm a trad girl, right?
	Whew, patriarchy's based, haha, right?
	I hear this all the time.
	The question, though, for me always becomes this delineation when they're like, third and fourth wave feminism's gone too far.
	Okay, what about first wave feminism?
	Oh, well, all the delineation which led to third and fourth wave feminism, I love all that, just not what it turned into.
	To clarify, I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative.
	Nick, you can unmute.
	Libertarian-leaning.
	It's so funny.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Hilarious.
	What are libertarians trying to conserve?
	What do you mean?
	What are they trying to conserve?
	So you're a conservative because you don't believe in separate feminism.
	Well, what do you think conservative means?
	Conservatism is rooted in preserving the traditions that are considered.
	Stop, stop.
	Hold on for a second.
	Conservatism is rooted in preserving the traditions and ideals that this nation was founded upon, which were almost entirely Christian, and libertarianism is oftentimes.
	Sure, but there's also a reason why they didn't have a chance to do that.
	So it's kind of a contradiction in terms.
	No, it's not, because you can still have those values and not have them based 100% saying that it's because the Bible said this.
	It says nowhere in the Constitution because the Bible said that.
	Well, then what are you making a foundation of?
	Well, you can still believe in those values.
	No, for conservation.
	You can still 100%, to be fair, I am a Christian, right?
	I believe in Christianity.
	But when it comes to my political views, I don't vote based off of only my Christianity.
	And I also don't believe that we should enforce those.
	Go ahead, Savannah.
	So basically, what you're saying is people that serve roughly 50% of the population should have a say in the market.
	Let's not linger too long on this topic, please.
	Yes.
	And why is that?
	Well, because I've seen one of these things.
	It gave me a small question afterwards.
	Because the entirety of women's voting inside of the United States has been a complete unmitigated disaster.
	Unmitigated disaster, which has led us to progressive policies, societal decay, a society which cannot reproduce itself, literally, can't even reproduce itself.
	It's led to every form of social degeneracy you currently see inside of society has been due 100% to women voting.
	Let me give you the counter.
	I'm not sure if it was just men who voted.
	I may have to.
	I haven't made my decision on the whole 19th Amendment.
	Well, if you want me to expand, I'll expand.
	If it was just men who were voting.
	I'm not sure I can co-sign with men who were voting, for instance, there would not be LGBTQ marriage, which was allowed for.
	That's right off the gate.
	Here, let's...
	I do want to ask you a question, too.
	Do you also believe black people shouldn't have had the right to vote, too?
	No.
	When you're talking about voting, I don't believe in suffrage at all.
	I don't think voting's good.
	I don't believe monarchy.
	I think rights are true.
	Why do you think should vote?
	What's your ideal political system?
	I would say minarchy would be better than anything, at least right now.
	But when you're talking about rights, you need to understand that there's no such thing as rights.
	It's made up.
	You can't taste it, can't touch it, can't smell it, you can't see it.
	Point to a right.
	They don't exist.
	It's absent your mind.
	These are social constructions which we make up, which have the application of force.
	So there are no rights.
	That's all made-up nonsense that people have been kind of force-fed into believing.
	But first-wave feminism starts with this kind of presupposition that there are some.
	And there aren't any.
	I feel like we're getting off the title of the future.
	Let's not linger too long.
	But if you guys can make 15-second points, go ahead.
	I think that was a really good question.
	No, Hold on.
	She goes first than you.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to ask you something.
	You're a bikini barresto, right?
	Yes.
	And a hardcore conservative.
	I'm not hardcore conservative.
	You're leaning right.
	So, and you don't like sex work.
	No.
	So why do you think, and you're a Christian?
	So how are you a Christian and against sex work, but yet you're in a bikini all day serving food and getting tips?
	You don't think that Christians, you don't think that Christians can't beach in a bikini?
	You don't think that can be?
	Yeah, but that's still like how a lot of sex workers do like bikini barista.
	Yeah, because you're not practicing.
	You're not just with them.
	You're not practicing modesty or anything that's in the Bible.
	That's your definition of modesty.
	Not being in a bikini.
	Not being in a bikini.
	So you want to let your wife at the beach in a bikini?
	I'm not saying that I wouldn't let my wife go to the beach in a bikini.
	You make extra tips.
	You make a lot of money.
	I'm just in a bikini.
	What's wrong with this?
	You make extra tips for being in the bikini and shaming sex workers.
	Like you're basically a stripper, so I don't understand why.
	I'm a stripper, yeah, because I touch people and I dance on people for money.
	Did you have a problem?
	Did you have a man?
	Did you have a man that like cheated on you with that?
	No, in fact, I had a really good father that raised me to have morals.
	Me too.
	And he's watching and he's very proud of me for my accomplishments.
	I pay for some degree.
	So thank you very much.
	In your notes to us, you said most people don't date for did you have something really quick?
	It's not quick.
	You already know.
	Can you just give us a 20-second blurb?
	What is it?
	I wanted to say that I actually really appreciated his argument against the concept of rights.
	Like it was a really good thought-provoking way to put things that rights don't actually exist.
	I would like to say for consideration, rights were taken away.
	That is why the concept of the- We can't take away something that doesn't exist.
	Okay.
	Interruption?
	Interrupting?
	Oh, sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Rights were taken away.
	The concept that we have of rights was taken away from black people and other groups which we would consider minorities.
	That is why the concept has to exist, just to verbalize what was taken away from minority groups.
	Okay, so for you, you said in your pre-show notes to us, most people don't date for marriage anymore.
	It's extremely hard to find a traditional wife-husband who wants to raise their children under biblical values.
	Yeah.
	Now, I guess my question for you is, how do you reconcile that statement with the fact that you are a bikini, excuse me, bikini barista and don't appear all that traditional in your social media presence?
	And that's why I wanted to, if we can, pull up the Instagram.
	Just.
	Well, it depends on what you mean by traditional.
	Traditional to me means submitting to your husband.
	Traditional to me means being a good Christian.
	It means being a person.
	How can you find modesty?
	But what about modesty?
	What do you mean?
	I am modest.
	In the pure modesty?
	Currently, but like while you're my actions, I am a very, very modest person.
	Sex work is not modest.
	I'm not in sex work.
	She's not a sex worker, but I'm definitely.
	I would never touch someone for money.
	I would never do anything gross like that for money.
	I'm good.
	What was your name again?
	Savannah.
	Savannah.
	To Brian's point, look, you're a beautiful woman.
	You're intelligent.
	I think you're well spoken.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	To Brian's point, I haven't seen your social media.
	It sounds like is there an abundance of bikini pictures?
	Yes.
	Here, we'll pull it up just for...
	Okay.
	I'm proud of my body.
	Like, there's nothing.
	The thing is, is that everybody associates nudity to sexuality.
	And to me, it's not the same.
	must stay focused brothers we and if you're lusting over me that is your that is that i can This I completely disagree with.
	Hold on one second.
	Okay, so Brian, what was her statement about finding it difficult to find?
	Most people don't date for marriage anymore.
	It's extremely hard to find a traditional wife-husband who wants to raise their children under biblical values.
	Okay, so how do you write this?
	I'm saying this.
	I'm saying this with all due respect.
	I genuinely respect you.
	Thank you.
	As a traditional Christian man who wants a traditional Christian wife, to be quite frank, if I saw your Instagram page, immediately I would write you off as a non-traditional non-Christian woman.
	I would assume that you weren't Christian.
	When I see a woman's Instagram page and I see bikini pictures all over the place showing off the booty, all that kind of stuff, I'm like, yo, this is the exact opposite of modesty.
	And I'm not interested in that.
	And I would argue that you are probably making it much more difficult on yourself to find the kind of man that your heart longs for by living this kind of lifestyle where you're posting these images of yourself.
	Because I know a lot of traditional Christian dudes, a lot of them across the board, they want modesty in women.
	And they would not classify that Instagram page as modest.
	Sure, that's fine.
	I'm not really looking for a husband, though.
	I was just stating that it is hard to do.
	Part of the reason why it's hard is because I think you're making it harder on yourself with the job that you work and also with your Instagram presence.
	Okay, sure, that's valid.
	And isn't it using sexualization to get money?
	No, I'm not doing anything sexual at all.
	You literally are in a bikini with your ass out getting tips.
	I know I have a lot of stuff.
	Yeah, like, are you not?
	Can you not be a bikini, being a bikini and being a biker?
	I'm not in.
	Like, what the fuck is that?
	It's Azure, right?
	I give you credit modesty.
	You want this.
	Well, it depends on your definition.
	Okay, so my definition.
	In Europe, it's considered a different person, right?
	Like you go out onto a beach, you're naked.
	Savannah, Savannah.
	It sounds like it's Savannah.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	That's not when you're getting sick.
	Hold on.
	Savannah, you're a singer.
	You're getting tipped to make ladies, please, please.
	With your ass off.
	Please, please.
	We're not ashamed sex workers.
	That's why I'm not.
	It's not sex work.
	Holy shit.
	It's very.
	It's not.
	I'm not touching anyone for money.
	You're lusting after me.
	I'm not doing shit.
	You, Savannah, are eliciting lust from men by dressing this way.
	That's the same thing.
	No, that's like putting your breasts in a man's face and being like, why are you looking at them?
	No, it's not.
	I would never do that.
	You literally do it for a living.
	You flaunt your body.
	Hang on.
	Let me ask this.
	Let me ask this.
	What's the distinction when you say they're lusting after me?
	Couldn't the stripper make the same argument?
	Yeah, except for a stripper's touching and doing sexuality.
	Yeah, but I'm not sure.
	It seems like you're just saying, let's say the stripper never touched him, ever, never touched any of the Johns.
	Just showed up and shook her ass.
	That's all she did.
	Sure, I don't do that.
	Yeah, but let's say that's all she did, okay?
	She's not touching anybody now.
	Sure.
	She's using her sexualization to make money, just like you are, right?
	No.
	What's the distinction then?
	The difference is that you're dancing and you're shaking your ass and you're doing that to elicit a feeling to get money, right?
	And what is the bikini for?
	So the bikini.
	No.
	It seems like you're trying to justify the reason why you're not going to be able to do it.
	One second.
	One sec.
	One second.
	I am a Christian, but I think women should be head of household.
	I am all for women with stake in the game, but the sword penetrates the chalice, not the other way around.
	We've seen reality.
	Real.
	Real.
	Yo, thank you, Belman.
	Appreciate it.
	What does that mean?
	Look, this whole idea that it's on men to control their lust.
	Yes, okay.
	I agree.
	Men have a responsibility to control their lust, but women also have a responsibility to not elicit that lust from men.
	By what I'm wearing.
	By you choosing specific just by what I am wearing.
	Savannah, come on.
	If there's two women and one is wearing a message.
	So am I eliciting that?
	Please let me speak.
	Please let me speak.
	I apologize.
	Thank you.
	If there's two women and one of them is wearing a modest dress and the other woman is wearing a bikini that shows off her breasts and her butt, obviously men are going to lust.
	They're more likely to lust after the woman that's in a bikini with all of her curves showing.
	She is making a choice to wear something that shows off her body.
	She is going to elicit lust.
	Do you concede that?
	I agree, but that is also not my responsibility to be responsible for your lusty.
	That's fine.
	You can say it's not your responsibility, but just don't call yourself traditional or modest.
	Well, let me ask this a different one.
	You're not.
	That's fair.
	Inside of your capacity as a bikini barista, can you name a single virtue of being a bikini barista?
	What is a single virtue?
	What about it is in any way virtuous?
	I'm not going to answer that.
	Like, I don't know what you're trying to get out of that question.
	Okay, so if the guy- It's not a job that I enjoy doing.
	It's not like it's my dream job.
	Do you aspire to be the Proverbs 31 wife?
	I don't know.
	Well, you agree that Christians are not going to be able to do that.
	I may not get married.
	Just to follow up on this, you agree that Christians need to be virtuous, right?
	Sure, yeah, absolutely.
	What are the virtues of being a bikini barista?
	I never said that there was virtues in being a bikini birista.
	But when you're asked specifically to say, hey, listen, it's not my problem that these guys over here all, they all want to put their hands all over me.
	They can't, but they want to, and that's why I make extra money.
	You mean that they're doing something wrong?
	That's insane.
	No, that's fine, but you know what?
	That's a hypocrisy, and there's no virtue.
	There's no virtue.
	We can agree to disagree on that.
	But men want to do the same thing.
	There's no way I have clothes on, too.
	I could be wearing a potato sack and men would still want to do that.
	Sure, yeah, absolutely, because men have sex drives.
	But if you're wearing a bikini, it is going to stimulate a man's sex.
	Then that's going to stimulate a man's sex.
	Savannah.
	Should I wear a hijab then?
	No, you don't have to wear a bikini.
	I prefer a burqa, to be honest.
	You don't have to.
	But Savannah, just like it's a man's job, it's a man's responsibility to control his lust, it's also a woman's responsibility.
	She calls herself a traditional modest Christian to not inspire lust.
	Abortion is a necessary evil.
	Should be strictly regulated.
	God-given rights made up.
	Andrew W. Brixam, PLS, stop showing these girls half-naked pics.
	I don't have Insta for a reason.
	Only 304s.
	Okay.
	Chase W. Thank you.
	Question.
	If you start dating a guy, your boyfriend or your husband, if he requested you take down those photos, would you oblige him?
	Absolutely.
	Okay, all right.
	Do you think it might improve your, if you were interested in dating, do you think it might improve your dating prospects in the traditional Christian male pool to remove those photos?
	Yeah, it probably would.
	But the thing is, is that I'm not dating right now.
	I'm not interested in dating right now.
	Okay.
	I'm just a little bit more.
	What I'm curious about still, if you just don't mind one last follow-up.
	And then I'm going to bring Selena finally in.
	My big curiosity here still is I'm caught up on this idea that you have no responsibility.
	It's no responsibility.
	It's their responsibility.
	I mean, Muslims would say on the other hand.
	Let him finish his point.
	No, no, no, difference.
	You just want to feel different from the of girls.
	Whatever you say.
	Yeah, well, in this case, this super chatter hits the nail on the head.
	And what the super chatter is saying is same thing I'm going to tell you or ask you, which is why couldn't anybody engage in sex work?
	You're thinking you're good one for me.
	I leave you alone for a few minutes and wow.
	To survive.
	Would you make the same tips if you were in a modest dress?
	Right.
	Well, this gets to the heart of it real quick.
	So all of the women who are involved in any kind of sex work, you realize can use the same exact argument you just did, which is to say the responsibility is 100% on the John.
	If he wasn't coming to have sex with us, then I wouldn't even be a prostitute, would I?
	If the John wasn't coming in to watch me strip, I wouldn't even be able to strip.
	You're doing a sexual action.
	No are you?
	No, I'm not.
	What am I doing?
	You're making coffee in a bikini.
	That's inherently sexual.
	Yes, it is.
	No, you can't.
	Why is it $500 tips like every other stripper?
	Why would a woman walk into her bedroom on her wedding night in lingerie for her husband?
	Because that lingerie is inherently sexual.
	They're very different in the sense that there's lace on it and it's different materials, but you're showing off the curves of your body to stimulate your male sexuality.
	Might as well just go to the beach and learn.
	So you want them to be a little bit more than that.
	The men who are buying coffee are tipping you in dollars.
	This will make your point, too.
	They're coming to get coffee because you're in a bikini.
	They could go to a better coffee shop.
	And that's their issue.
	Can you honestly say that?
	But you know exactly why you would work that job to make more money in the middle of the day.
	It's the same reason you're posting bikini photos on your Instagram to solicit sex work.
	Can you honestly say that your employer was like, I want you to wear a bikini because it's really hot in here?
	I don't give a shit what my employer is.
	Is that what your employer was like?
	I want you to wear a bikini because it gets up to like 90 and I'd really just, I want you to be cool while you're working.
	Why do you think your employer wants you to wear a bikini while you're serving?
	It's their responsibility.
	If they come through because they're not going to be able to do that, or they want to lick at my ass and work at Starbucks.
	If you want a husband one day and you're a Christian, work at Starbucks.
	No, I'm good.
	They support abortion.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	Well, find another hometown college.
	And you support sex work.
	No, I know.
	That's literally not sex work.
	Yeah, it's literally sex work.
	It's literally not sex work.
	It's literally sex work.
	It's still soliciting your body just like a sex worker.
	It's not sex work.
	I'm not doing anything sexual whatsoever.
	And then they hand you to the next step.
	Except the sex after the US.
	It's literally not sex voice.
	Nick, what's going on?
	I think she's dipping, bro.
	Wait, no, it's the fit.
	Are you leaving?
	No, she's just gotta go back.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought she was leaving.
	I had more class.
	I was about to get.
	Okay.
	Here, let me do a chat here.
	We have IR Grunt.
	This brunette girl needs to stop talking and call her father who is watching.
	She is so R-slurred, he may be considering deleting it.
	Wow, okay.
	Left side needs more attention.
	Other women listen.
	Okay, thank you.
	IR.
	Do you have anything to say to Grunt here?
	No, they should, yeah.
	Yeah, they should be able to speak.
	Thank you.
	What was their username?
	Thank you for that.
	I was hoping you to address the accusations of being R-slurred.
	That's what I was hoping you would.
	I might be.
	I might be too.
	We have a lot in common.
	Okay, just kidding.
	I definitely am.
	They could be called R-Slur.
	I think maybe this whole table.
	Yeah.
	Selena.
	Selena.
	Hi.
	Speaking of Instagram profiles, you were in the military, correct?
	We have her Instagram.
	We have some photos of you when you're in the military.
	Nick, if you're able to pull that up.
	It should be, I think, the last tab, Selena's Instagram.
	Should be already scrolled down.
	You got it?
	Oh, phone on the.
	Her Instagram tab.
	Get ready to see a girl blast.
	I love her.
	It's like the last, it should be the very last tab.
	Are you in the Army Girl?
	No, I love an Marine Girl.
	All right, so, okay, you got, right.
	Oh, wait, scroll up a little bit.
	Scroll up.
	The army bit.
	What's the, click on the military, that one?
	Oh, slid.
	Which one's you?
	You don't know which one's me?
	You're wearing a hat and you're looking down.
	The third.
	Yeah, the third.
	That's me.
	And the third?
	Yes.
	Okay, all right.
	That's the day I graduated.
	All right, nice.
	Okay.
	What branch of the military were you in?
	I was the Marine Corps.
	Marine Corps.
	Were you dating at all while you were in the military?
	So I didn't finish my contract.
	I have make TikToks about that, so I'm pretty honest about that.
	You were dishonorably displayed.
	No, no, no.
	I have an honorable.
	I just didn't finish my contract.
	I get vet benefits and I have an honorable, so I didn't do anything like super fucked up.
	I did.
	I did.
	Were you deployed?
	No.
	I was stationed in Camp Lejeune.
	Okay.
	Oh, were you reserves or wait, officer or enlisted?
	I was going active duty.
	Huh?
	Were you enlisted or officer?
	Enlisted.
	Okay.
	And you said you were in the Marine Corps.
	Were you dating at all while in the military?
	No, I tried, but it just didn't work out.
	A WM?
	Really?
	What?
	A WM who didn't date?
	Wait, what's a WM?
	Woman, Marine?
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, like, I hooked up and stuff.
	Oh, that's what I meant.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, when I was younger, I did hook up a lot.
	It's not what I like to do now.
	What do you mean a lot?
	When you say a lot, you know, he probably knows that if he brought it up, like, you know, joining the Marine Corps and getting there, I got a lot of attention.
	Yeah, WMs have a reputation.
	Okay, it's not like that.
	Okay, but they do, right?
	You're right.
	You're not wrong.
	I agree.
	WMs have a reputation for spending more time on their back than they do running in the field.
	He's not wrong.
	He's not wrong.
	Isn't it the case that women in the military get a lot of quite a bit of attention?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's just that WMs have a worse reputation than that, too.
	What's that?
	I don't know why, but they do.
	Is it true?
	I don't disagree.
	It's a stigma, yes.
	But you said you were doing a lot of hooking up.
	What does that mean?
	I did.
	So I graduated.
	I got there when I was like 21.
	I joined late.
	And so all of high school, I was a virgin.
	I didn't date or drink alcohol or nothing.
	So I never really experienced any of that until I joined the military.
	So it was something I experimented in.
	But more so with the hooking up, it was more so like I got played a lot when I was younger and I felt the need to have sex to keep a man at the time because I was young and dumb.
	So like it was some people when they invent, they do hookup cultures because they were enjoying it.
	I personally didn't enjoy it.
	It made me feel very empty and I just did it because I was lonely and it's to fill a void and it sounds kind of stupid, but that was like years ago.
	Okay.
	And you said you spent a year and a half dancing.
	dancing in a Marine town.
	Yep.
	I now dance in a college older businessman town, but still reside in the military town.
	So a lot of experience with Marines, Navy.
	Were you dancing while you were in the Marines?
	No, it's technically not a thing.
	You can't do that.
	Okay, well, so you weren't doing it in any case.
	And you said you wanted to talk about dating as an exotic dancer.
	Yeah.
	Well, I just had two questions on that.
	And if you want to expand more broadly on just dating as a dancer, was someone else here a dancer?
	Are you anybody else?
	Have you danced?
	You dance together.
	Anyone else dance?
	Anybody?
	Okay, well.
	We just have different views.
	Would either of you guys date a customer?
	I mean...
	So I get a lot of customers that come in that do try to date me, but it's hard to weed them out.
	But I've also met some very genuine men through there, and it sucks that you meet them at the club.
	But, you know, it's just like meeting a guy anywhere.
	So it's an immediate disqualifier if you meet the guy at the club?
	It depends.
	I wouldn't technically, like, you're not supposed to, but I prefer to be honest to you guys.
	Sure.
	I wouldn't be opposed if I found the right gentleman, you know?
	Like, I don't want to meet them there.
	It just depends on how he is there.
	Like, if he's coming in there being super like sexual and disgusting and wanting favors from me, no, but you know, if you're just a normal human being being, whatever, you should come in with your friends just through a choke.
	But like, I personally wouldn't want a man that goes to the club.
	It is a big red flag that they're coming into the club in the first place because, you know, we see the type of men that are wanting to go into the strip club, right?
	So we know what type of guy that they are, and usually it's just a red flag.
	But like she said, if they are genuine and like kind and like they don't go into the strip club often, then yeah, it would probably be.
	So then if it's a red flag to for a for a customer to go into a strip club to just be a customer at the strip club, then is it similarly a red flag for like say the more the civilian population to be a stripper?
	Is that a red flag?
	It's a little bit different.
	So the men are going into the strip club to consume a sexual fantasy, right?
	Okay.
	We are providing the sexual fantasy for money.
	So we are not actually, we are participating in the sexual fantasy kind of on a third party basis.
	We are not, you know, consume.
	Go ahead.
	Don't worry, it's just the soundboard.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	She's upset by that one, okay.
	I'm not upset.
	They're just like drawing.
	Is it a red flag that a person's willing to date a stripper at all?
	Is that a red flag?
	Like a, like, just be in a relationship with a stripper?
	Not necessarily, because we're people.
	You don't think that's a red flag for a guy?
	Like, if you were to have a daughter, for instance, would you ever make a recommendation to your daughter you should ever date a person who would date a stripper?
	You know what I mean?
	Like that would be, wouldn't that be a big red flag for anybody to say you probably shouldn't date a stripper?
	It depends.
	Like do you want to date a stripper just because she's sexually versed?
	Well like the kind of person who would date a stripper.
	Do you think that those are usually high quality people?
	Like just if you had a guess.
	But is and to add to that, in the same way that you said it, the fact that these men are going into the strip club in terms of dating them, you view them simply by virtue of consuming whatever.
	You view that as a red flag.
	If they're a customer, it's a red flag.
	Would you object to men saying that just by virtue of you guys being strippers, that's a red flag?
	Yo, AB check, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
	I would object to it.
	I think it's relatively valid because sex can be viewed, you know, sex and sexual interactions are valued differently between different people.
	So if that man were to come into a talking stage or whatever and say, I value sex, you know, in this way, very, I value sex sacredly, if the man were to say that, right?
	And to not want a relationship with a stripper because she is a sex worker, I think that would be valid.
	But it's not, I don't think it's the same as women.
	So you're saying that it's okay for strippers to view the customers as red flags.
	You wouldn't be willing to date a customer, generally speaking.
	But if men view strippers as red flags, that's not acceptable.
	I didn't say it's not acceptable, but I think it's acceptable in a different way.
	I can answer that.
	Do you object?
	If I were to say, for example, I wouldn't date a stripper, do you object to that?
	There are objections that I have to that.
	Why?
	Specifically?
	It's just a job.
	For me, in my eyes, it's just a job.
	But if you view it as differently, I wouldn't date a stripper.
	There's tons of prostitution that goes on with that job.
	I'm not a prostitute.
	I'm not saying you are.
	I didn't say that either of you are.
	I said there's tons of prostitution which comes along in strip clubs, especially.
	I have plenty of buddies who are bouncers, talk about it constantly.
	In fact, a lot of them say that you're hard-pressed even to find women inside those clubs who don't engage in prostitution.
	I think it depends on the state, the regulations of the club, but yes, in both the clubs that we've worked at, I think there are prostitutes.
	Do you think a guy's insecure if he doesn't want to date a stripper?
	He could be, and he couldn't be.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Because I've dated some that didn't want to date.
	Why is it okay for you to not want to date a customer?
	But if a guy doesn't want to date a stripper, that's problematic.
	I think he...
	That's it, bitch.
	It's Dave Chappelle.
	It's his coat.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, my God.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Will you throw me off track and then expect me to just jump back in?
	I'm trying to ride good arguments and stuff.
	It's just like, gotcha, bitch.
	Okay.
	No, Dave Chappelle said that, not me.
	Okay.
	That's why I said the I included the button part.
	What was the question?
	I'm sorry.
	One.
	He's asking, why is it okay for you not to want to date a customer, but it's not okay for a man not to want to date a stripper?
	It's problematic, which I like the word that you used, for a man, just because it shows that he cannot grasp the idea that dancing is just a job.
	Or maybe he just doesn't want a woman who dances naked in front of other men.
	And that's okay, that's valid.
	I think that's a valid reason.
	You don't think it's problematic?
	If you think you're too insecure to have a girlfriend that does that, then that's totally fine.
	That's your preference.
	No, it's not that I think I'm too insecure.
	I just don't have a problem.
	Ladies, ladies, allow me to make this point.
	It's not that I'm too insecure.
	I just don't want to share my woman and her body with other men.
	It's that simple.
	Yeah, it would make you feel bad if that happened.
	I just don't want to share my woman's body with other men.
	No, it's okay, Chase.
	If you're too insecure, you can't let your woman have sex with other men.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	I mean, if you're insecure, Chase.
	I could flip the same argument.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Would you prefer if you had a boyfriend?
	Would you prefer if he was loyal to you?
	Yeah.
	I think it's just because you're so insecure.
	You totally don't want to sleep with other girls.
	I agree.
	Massive insecurity.
	That's a big insecurity.
	It just you don't like how it makes you feel.
	You see, that's really.
	The thing is, like, that only comes after an actual relationship being established.
	Yeah, but a relationship would have already been established and you're under the same scenario where you're dating a person or a girl who strips, right?
	So the relationship's established.
	You say, well, that's pretty weak of you.
	It's pretty weak of you to not want to date a girl who is a stripper, right?
	Yeah, because up until that point, he found out he thought I was amazing.
	Yeah, until you started to show your naked body to other men.
	So wouldn't that fall right along the same guidelines that Chase is saying of, hey.
	Well, I'm saying he can have that preference, yeah, but does he get to go around and tell everyone that that is the number one preference and that's how you're going to be happy?
	Yes.
	I do say that.
	That's not the only way you're going to be happy.
	I'm not saying it's the only way that you're going to be happy.
	But that's how you're preaching.
	When you're telling all of these people that, then that's how it appears.
	Why do we have to cheese all the outliers in society?
	Most men don't want their chicks to hump other dudes.
	That's simple, right?
	If you took a poll of the thousands of men that are watching this and you asked them, are you okay with your woman showing her naked body to other men?
	I would argue probably 99.9% of them would say no.
	Maybe I've met a decent amount of sex workers.
	There's an egg.
	But you do sex work, so the pool of people that you're around are men who don't want that.
	Yeah.
	But that's not representative of the population as a whole.
	The average guy does not want his woman naked around other men.
	I'm not around other men when I'm naked.
	Okay.
	Can I still answer your question?
	I don't know.
	Oh, yeah, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	And then I have a follow-up and then I have to move on.
	I thought you said you had an OnlyFans.
	Is that being naked around other men, or is that me posting a picture?
	You're naked to other men.
	I guess it's a distinction about marriage.
	It is a very big distinction.
	If you show your naked body to other men, that's the problem.
	Yeah, exactly.
	If they're paying for a sex worker, especially if they're paying for it.
	I see your question about it.
	That makes it 10 times worse, maybe.
	I don't think so.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, sir.
	So the average guy, yes.
	Go ahead.
	You would rather, wait, you'd rather me take, send free titty pics instead of getting painting in the middle.
	I think that the likelihood.
	Which version is like the better woman?
	No, no, no.
	I think that the likelihood.
	She should just never take a titty pick in her whole life.
	Yes.
	Okay, let's find him a girl that's never done that.
	There's plenty of their own.
	There'll be a clean girl.
	There's plenty of them.
	I hope you find them.
	You're going to be happy.
	I already have.
	I'm not worried about it.
	But you just said that your relationship is, okay.
	Wait.
	Well, they're questioning me.
	I was confused on the relationship.
	I said my relationship status was private, but what I'm saying about women out there who won't take those pictures is there's plenty of them, and I know a lot of them.
	This actually baffles me that you were like, oh, you just, you think that there's a magical unicorn out there who's never sent a dude a titty pick, huh?
	I mean, that's what that sounded like.
	Yeah, where?
	Yeah, see what I mean?
	There's a lot of conservative women out there who don't do that.
	Magical unicorns.
	I think it's, in my opinion, I think it's totally okay for guys to not want to date sex workers.
	Let her speak.
	I think it's okay for men to not want to date sex workers, but the shaming part is what I don't like because it causes more violence towards sex workers because they're more likely to get anxious.
	No, what causes violence towards sex workers is the fact that they're sex workers.
	So shaming.
	Sex workers means there's less violence to be seen.
	So being a sex worker inherently means that everyone you should be like No, he's not saying that it means that you should be on the receiving end of violence.
	The reason why this is happening to you is because you do sex workers.
	No, no, no, no, let's pretend that sex workers consort with men who are more likely to be violent towards them, is the point.
	Yes, but why are they in that job?
	It's survival.
	There's many.
	Yeah, but what you're saying is, last thing from Andrew, and then I'm moving on.
	But think about how silly this is.
	Your argument is actually women who are sex workers get abused.
	Shaming women so that they stop being sex workers is bad, even though if they weren't sex workers, they wouldn't be getting abused as sex workers.
	That's the argument.
	It's insane.
	People were real before they agreed with that.
	We're moving on.
	Selena.
	I have a final question here related to this.
	So, when it comes to your customers, what do you call them?
	Tricks, marks?
	Maybe you can answer this too.
	I just call them my customers.
	You don't look down on them at all, like call them tricks or marks.
	No, I mean, I have a viral TikTok I made talking about the boots that come in.
	Boots are like newly Marines that just graduate, and they sugar some people.
	But I call, like, but um, I was gonna answer your question I was supposed to answer like 10 minutes ago.
	Which was what?
	The one about it being a red flag of like a me being a flash.
	Oh, sure, if you want to answer that question.
	Because I have a different view from her, but sure, sure, sure.
	Because so, I'm very like, I think I told you I'm more traditional, even though I am a stripper, and it sounds kind of weird.
	But I sorry, ladies, no sidebar conversations, please.
	You what?
	Never mind.
	Do you guys need water?
	Okay, Nick, can you get some water, please?
	No, I'm stripping.
	No, I'm good.
	Huh?
	You don't.
	You guys have just derailed 30 seconds of the conversation.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, my apologies.
	I would agree.
	I think I know that I am a red flag just by being a stripper.
	So I understand that.
	They don't need water.
	I don't think they need water.
	I'm not clear.
	Damn it.
	And this is why feminism is toxic.
	There is no realm in which sending strangers new pics should be acceptable, let alone consider the norm.
	But feminism says it is okay.
	Girl power.
	Get the rocks.
	I'm just frustrated because Selena hasn't had a lot of time to talk, and when she is talking, you guys are sidebarring while she's trying to make her point.
	You were saying that you do think it is a red flag.
	I do.
	I'm very understandable.
	And a lot of men judge me for being a stripper, but I understand.
	I wouldn't want a man that strips, and it sounds hypocritical of me.
	But if I were to meet a man that wants to be in a long-term relationship with me and he told me to stop, obviously I'm my own provider.
	I take care of me.
	So if I date a man and he wants me to stop, he's going to have to step up and help provide.
	Because clearly I'm paying for everything else.
	I think that's a fair thing.
	Yes.
	Can I commend her real quick?
	This is, I think, aside from some comments you've made, the first accountability that I've heard tonight.
	The fact that you said, yes, I recognize that it's a red flag that I'm a stripper.
	I respect that accountability.
	I've been waiting to hear some accountability from this table for several hours now.
	I respect it.
	I respect it.
	And I think one of the big differences is I think as men, we accept our deficiencies and we accept that this might preclude us from dating certain women.
	For example, I acknowledge that by virtue of doing this podcast, some women, perhaps a lot of women, wouldn't want to date me.
	I'm not thinking they must be insecure.
	Frankly, I just don't care.
	I don't care, but it seems like women, for example, who are involved in sex work really want to get on this crusade about, well, if you don't want to date me because of what I do for work, there's something wrong with you.
	So, yeah, but on the other hand, but then he did go on to kind of qualify it with: if a guy wanted to date me, right, he would have to pay for my lifestyle to the sufficient standard that I could then quit being a stripper, right?
	Don't you think that's counterintuitive?
	Well, I do have other stuff that I'm working on.
	Like, I've only been dancing for a year and a half.
	Before that, I was a car salesman.
	So, like, see, you might disagree.
	I see dancing as sales.
	I see everything as a sale.
	I love sales.
	Well, there's a sales component to it, but there's a sales component.
	I don't like to any form of anything.
	So, you know, I'm doing other things with my life.
	Like, I am working on starting a side business.
	I want to go back to school and finish real estate at school.
	I am prepping the bodybuild.
	So, I have all these stuff I'm doing.
	Can I ask a question I've always wanted to ask in this situation?
	I haven't had the opportunity, but now I finally get to.
	What is actually the worst thing that would happen in your life if you just stop stripping tomorrow?
	If I stop streaming tomorrow, I go broke and have no like.
	Well, I mean, do you go broke or do you just downsize in life?
	I mean, there have been moments where I've thought about stopping completely because I, I'll be honest, I'm not proud to be a stripper.
	It doesn't make me happy.
	I don't find it empowering.
	Yeah, yeah, no, I get all that, but what's the worst?
	What's the worst realistically that would happen if you got like, let's say, just a different job?
	I don't make as much as support my current lifestyle or the things I want to pursue in life.
	Right now, scripping pays for my bills and lets me pursue things like bodybuilding and my side business and other stuff I want to for the meantime.
	So, that's why I do what I do now, even though I hate it, because I have the money to do all the things to set myself, set myself up for the future.
	Okay, I need to move on.
	All right, so for you two, you guys, and we got into this a little bit earlier.
	We were talking about Twitter posts, and we saw some of the Twitter posts, and I just wanted to pull them up.
	This is from you and from you, and just wanted to react to them, get your thoughts.
	Nick, make it bigger, please.
	So, this is from Bunny here.
	You said, I actually think men should be oppressed.
	That's does that sound like a joke?
	Oh, I don't know.
	Do you want me to guess if that was a joke or not?
	I mean, I wouldn't read it as a joke.
	Where's the punchline?
	Was it a joke?
	Clearly, you weren't around for the punchline in August 19th, 2020.
	That was three years ago, right?
	Go ahead, next.
	Nick, you said, God, I hate men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry, I love that.
	Wait, why am I going to be able to do that?
	I feel like you're like trying to show me like extra vague street tweets, but like I've seen ones that are like actually like very hateful, and mine is just like, ah, I hate men.
	You guys say that?
	You have the word hate in that tweet.
	Yeah, imagine if that said, God, I hate black people.
	The distinction there.
	Like, what, how would that read, do you think?
	You think it's just, it's just fashionable to kind of take a dump on men, right?
	You said you love it.
	Yeah, well, yeah, I think it's a good idea.
	Please scoot into the table.
	Scoot into the table, please.
	Maybe it's because she gets a joke and you guys don't.
	What's the joke?
	Explain the joke to me.
	What is this?
	I'm sorry you don't dislike the joke.
	I'm ignorant.
	Explain the joke to me.
	Don't you think if I was trying to make a complex point about my dislike of men, then I would have to.
	So you admit that you dislike into the microphone.
	Straight into the mic, please.
	Go ahead.
	So I just like the things that men have been taught.
	And I have met so many men that have not fit that.
	That I do not like.
	I will not say I dislike men.
	I don't like men.
	So you pulling up something that I said two years ago.
	Do you disagree?
	And also, I wasn't dating men during that time either.
	How's that relevant?
	How's whether you were dating men or not at all relevant to the sky?
	That's a clearly.
	Bro, I'm not making a political statement.
	I'm tweeting some bullshit on my mind.
	I'm sorry, but heroin.
	I don't think that's an incredible thing.
	Hold on, hold on, stop.
	Obvious brain damage argues that if other men are paying for my nudes NBD, only BDF free.
	Also, imagine piercing both cheeks and thinking it would bring HVM.
	What's HVM?
	High value mil.
	Jacama, thank you.
	We have more tweets.
	Let's just get through all the tweets.
	Let's just get through all the tweets.
	Where are the sexy men at?
	Y'all are kind of mid, not gonna lie.
	Oh, yeah, that one's fun.
	Do you know how that one's funny?
	No, but earlier I think you were talking about something about someone specific.
	I know you all have those moments where you want to.
	I've seen guys joke about like, I'm so sick of bitches.
	Like, I've seen that.
	I don't think that's.
	I've seen that.
	I've lost the guys being like, I'm sick of bitches.
	There was like a joke.
	How we act when I start to hate our girlfriends.
	One of the time.
	One of the time.
	Let me just read all the tweets.
	You said, just opened up my hoe roster to men.
	Don't make me regret this.
	Okay.
	I hate to tell y'all, but I tell my therapist details about the men.
	I date and fuck.
	I even send her pics of them, and she tells me if they're cute or not.
	Yeah, I need some honest opinions.
	Sure, and you mentioned some.
	I'll get to the therapy part.
	Men used to go to war now.
	They sell their bin fines on Melrose Weekly.
	Okay, next one.
	Yeah, that's when you go and you buy a bunch of clothes for cheap and then you resell them because you know their value.
	I don't care about that.
	Okay, people think a man who has to shave his head so no one sees that hairline is one of the smartest men ever.
	Wow, don't you think this is a bit of an ad hom attack?
	Like, what does his, what does his hair have to do with his.
	What does his hairline have to do with his intelligence?
	I mean, you can be critical of him.
	Are you saying men with bad luck?
	Nick, put this on the other side.
	Put us on the other side.
	It doesn't matter when you tweet it.
	It does, honestly.
	It really is.
	One thing you can make fun of because it's kind of a joke.
	I'm going to have to get 5,000 tweets.
	No, it's the content of the tweet.
	You're saying that a man with convulsion?
	You're saying that a man with a bad hairline can't be available.
	No, but these are words that you used.
	I'm just curious about them.
	Yeah, a man that has to shave his head to prove that he isn't balding.
	And then he's giving everyone advice on what they should be doing to be real men.
	So it seems like an ad hom attack.
	Okay.
	Okay, next.
	Next.
	The thought of sex with straight men archetype makes me want to vomit for the first time in my life.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to talk about that?
	About vomiting, not particularly.
	Okay, yeah.
	So don't.
	Why are you.
	Well, it's just, I mean, that's a bit misandrous, but okay, men.
	I could probably, that was probably.
	Men make me want to vomit.
	Why can't they just be quiet?
	Hey, do we make you want to vomit?
	Probably.
	Occasionally.
	Okay.
	You say men make jobs to vomit.
	Why can't they just be quiet?
	Okay.
	Yeah, probably has to do with something.
	This was definitely towards one man.
	I know.
	That was definitely angry.
	Okay, here it is.
	These are all over a year ago.
	So your thoughts have changed.
	Okay.
	Never working while a man pays for all your stuff is kind of queen shit.
	Feminist, by the way.
	That's not a very.
	That's not a real feminist position.
	Why do you think that like being a feminist being a feminist means that I can choose whatever path I want?
	I can choose whatever path I want to take.
	That should be my right.
	And that should be every woman's right.
	Like she's so valid for having five kids.
	That's amazing.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Keep going then.
	Like, I'm not talking.
	There's nothing wrong.
	Oh.
	You woke the razor.
	You're back.
	Oh, this is now.
	This is you.
	I can't really.
	I don't have my glasses on, so I can't see.
	I'll read it.
	I'll read it.
	Okay.
	In a place in my life where I cannot hang out with men who make less money than me, please don't waste my time.
	Yeah, because there'll be like drug addicts who post crown royal on their snapchat that'll be like, do you want to kick it for the night?
	And I'm just like, okay, sure.
	I just don't.
	Me just over-sexualizing men in my music because it's a free country.
	And when was the last time you were harassed on the city street about your outfit, sir?
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	I think it's, I think, I'm sorry.
	It's funny.
	I live for that.
	Do you guys get harassed when you walk down the street?
	Do they like whistle?
	I make music about boys.
	I mean, boys, I love abs.
	I love skinny boys.
	I love fat boys.
	Do you often dress like this?
	No.
	No.
	I'll be walking in the middle of the night in sweats, a big t-shirt, walking just to 7-Eleven across the street, and then I get slowed down and ask if I need a rest.
	Pull back up, Nick.
	Pull it back up.
	Next.
	Men be like, I love strong, independent women.
	Women being strong, independent, and reliant on themselves, men.
	There's something off here.
	Most men, this is a trope.
	This is a trope from women saying, I want to be as I'm a strong, independent woman.
	Most men are not out here saying, I want a strong, independent woman.
	Yeah, I don't know any dudes.
	That's not a thing.
	Well, maybe you're making that up and you're not.
	No, I've known a lot of guys like always.
	The men that I've been around leech off of me.
	So if I sounds like you're hanging out with losers.
	Well, that's how I pose.
	I distance myself from people like that.
	Go ahead, next, Nick.
	Men broke my soul.
	Then I learned how to get into their heads to use them and feel special.
	That's pretty cool.
	This was very much in a toxic.
	not even gonna lie this was it was in a it was in a it's these were personal So, these were personal attacks towards, like, subtweeting me, like, me subtweeting someone.
	So, it's not...
	These are...
	Like, it's not, like, as...
	These are not just general statements about your...
	No, I was just mad at a man.
	You know, Twitter.
	Maybe if, say, a black person made you mad, would it be equally justifiable to say this about black people?
	No, I just don't think it's that serious when I make fun of men.
	Like, I just don't.
	Do you think it's that serious when men make fun of women?
	Like, it depends on the context.
	Like, I wasn't being, does it sound, like, violent to you, what I said, anything that I said?
	Yeah, but I mean, it's rather if a dude is making fun of fun.
	Like, if a guy jokes about the R.
	Yeah, but if a dude is making fun of women in the same exact context that you are, right?
	Yeah, sometimes it's funny.
	Well, I mean, you wouldn't be a hypocrite and say they shouldn't be.
	they shouldn't do that no i just if it's violent violent jokes towards women which is i see more often it's like sure Well, I don't.
	She said, what did you say, that you hate men?
	I don't want to misquote you.
	I forgot the exact.
	What did you say?
	My tweet from also like three years ago, I can't tell you.
	Because I just read it and I forgot that ever exists.
	Most of mine were suffering from the menu.
	If men were to say a lot of them.
	Because I can sit here and say, I object to men saying that they hate women.
	Do you object to women saying that they hate men?
	I have no business on objecting.
	I hate another woman's opinion.
	I'm sorry to change my opinion about saying that, but I just think it's punching up still.
	So you're saying it's okay to say that you hate men?
	Yes, but there's no violence that is going to come from me saying that.
	Of course there is.
	I don't believe that.
	I just don't agree.
	Does that mean it's okay then to say it as long as we can't measure in any way that a violent occurrence happens from it?
	There's no way to know, but I mean, I told you I have changed my viewpoint.
	There's no way to know, and we can't empirically demonstrate it.
	Then how can he even say you're punching up?
	Because there are just generations of men being the same way towards women.
	So when I joke about all of that, how would you demonstrate it when you say to me that there's no possible way that we could empirically measure whether or not me making a I agree with you.
	Yeah, so then, so how is it even punching up, really?
	Because I just don't feel like me saying I hate, like, as a, it's such a literal joke.
	What's the joke?
	It's just unserious.
	Like, you're not going to be like, I hate women unless you're just an incel.
	I don't, you know what I mean?
	Have you considered the possibility?
	Wait, wait, that it's considered the possibility that you're a very toxic female?
	Yes, I do.
	I consider myself toxic.
	Okay.
	I have a lot of toxic traits.
	I don't take pride in that.
	I don't take pride in toxicity, absolutely not.
	Is it worth fixing?
	Yes.
	Like, I go to therapy.
	I work on my mental health and I try to better myself.
	I have personal things that make me like toxic towards men.
	That's why I've been celibate.
	I don't hate men.
	Like, the general statement of it is just silly because it's like...
	Is it?
	Yes, because it's a very simple thing.
	Is it silly?
	If I were to say I hate men.
	Everyone knows if I post that, I'm being like goofy.
	If a man were to say, if a man were to say that he hates women, would you object to that statement?
	Yeah.
	Would it be a sexist statement?
	Yeah, but is it a sexist statement for you to say that you hate men?
	Yeah, it was sexist, but it's such a different, like, it's different context.
	If a man says that, it's like, to me, it just, I immediately think it's violence.
	Like, it's violent.
	How would that be violence?
	It's a violent statement.
	How could that be violence?
	How could you empirically demonstrate that?
	I can't empirically demonstrate the empiricity.
	And you're just making it up.
	So you're just making it up.
	Okay.
	And well, in my opinion, that's in my opinion.
	Do you hate men?
	Because it was your tweet.
	Do you hate men?
	No.
	Okay, do you hate men?
	I hate patriarchal structures.
	It's crazy to me because I don't hate women.
	I can very, if you ask me if I hate women, I can very quickly answer that question, but you had to pause.
	I think it sounds like you, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you kind of do.
	It's not clear to me exactly what your answer is.
	I'm not being around men.
	I don't hate men.
	I agree with her.
	But it's shocking to me.
	This seems like such a, in the same way with the discussion about physical strength.
	I'm literally giving you such a layup here.
	I'm asking you to get a lot of people.
	I don't want the little men watching the little answer to me would think they're hated.
	I don't want the teenage boys watching this to think that they're hated.
	You're just punching up.
	It just punches up.
	I say men.
	Men and like personal, it's just jokes from my personal experience.
	So the problem, though, with expressing that stuff online is those teenage boys, if they're watching this show or if they're listening to you guys right now, they're going to think to themselves, man, there's a lot of women in this world that just straight up hate the kind of man that I want to become.
	But you guys frame it.
	You guys know how to frame it more towards that way because like you guys are expressing that you hate men online.
	I said I did.
	And I express that as jokes.
	Like it is jokes that you throw out a statement and then back.
	Well, I understand that.
	It's toxic.
	It's a toxic thing to say, yes.
	I can even grant it.
	And I can even say it's okay, fine, sure.
	But I hate having it shown on this platform where there's a bunch of teenage boys very seriously about that statement.
	When you say it's toxic, that men do it, do the exact same thing.
	That's where I'm like, wait a second.
	So, okay, this is all funny.
	Ha I admitted that it was toxic on my side too.
	Yeah.
	But.
	Hey, guys.
	Hey, I have an idea.
	I have an idea.
	Let's shift this conversation in a more positive note.
	Would it be possible to express three things that you guys love about men?
	Yes, of course.
	What three things do you love about men?
	I like men.
	I like that they can be really soft, vulnerable, and they are really generous people.
	First of all, in my opinion.
	Very feminine traits.
	Ashunabo donated $200.
	Azir, I gave you a W and you threw it in the trash.
	Can a black man say he hates white women?
	Is that punching up or down?
	Who's more oppressed?
	Careful.
	Hassan might see this.
	You want to answer that?
	Wait, I don't answer that.
	He said, okay, all right.
	You want to move on from it?
	Well, you didn't hear it or whatever.
	Hassan, if you watched it.
	He's asking to say he wants he hates white women.
	Is that punching up, Nick?
	Wait, bring it back.
	They said that Hassan said he hates white women.
	Punching up if a black man were to say that.
	Is that punching up?
	I mean, I've heard them say that, and I think so.
	Yeah, I do think that.
	Here, I'm going to just get through the tweets.
	Go ahead.
	I'm in the mood to be mean to men again.
	Nice Azure won't be back.
	Huh?
	No, we didn't do that one, Nick.
	Won't be back for another six months.
	You're in a mood to be mean to men again, okay?
	All right, next.
	Me before lining up a group of men who have harmed a woman in any way, in any way, and mercilessly shooting them execution style.
	You're talking about violence, right?
	Yeah.
	That's rather violent matter because you don't have the institutional power.
	No, I'm admitting that, but I was going through a toxic time period.
	It's not just toxic, it's misandrist and yeah, yeah, it was misandras.
	I was a misandrist for a long time.
	You still are, though.
	I'm not.
	No, I'm trying to work through any of that.
	Okay.
	Because I'm still learning.
	I'm 23.
	Sure.
	There's a lot to learn in this life and to change.
	I'm really tired of liking the same muscular blonde e-boys.
	Where's the flavor of my dad taught me better than this?
	He said to stay away from white men.
	I grew up in a Hispanic family, so yes.
	Why did he tell you that?
	Because traditionally in Hispanic households, things like that.
	Modest heat.
	I don't want to go into that.
	Bricks and Typhoon answering my question of TTS something good or bad for business.
	Why invite seven girls and question three?
	Why invite Andrew and let him have ten sentences?
	Plaza, stop torturing the other four girls.
	Well, you know, it's, I don't know, I'm fucking check.
	I'm tired.
	I do think it would make great content to focus more energy on the table.
	I want to just at least get through the tweets and then we'll move on.
	Go ahead.
	How many tweets are there?
	Guys are so lucky you have so many options for girls.
	Meanwhile, they're like two attractive men where I live.
	Bye.
	Okay.
	I live in a small town.
	I live in a smaller side.
	Next.
	Is there next?
	The only thing broke men have to offer is dick.
	Please leave me the F alone.
	See, he thinks that's more funny.
	That's pretty funny.
	But it is true.
	Like, that was a true statement.
	I'm not going to lie.
	The last two were I'm not going to get back on the map or back from the why do men not think they can't be used for sex to any man I spoke to this year.
	I cared just about as much about you as you did me or less.
	You good?
	Question mark?
	Okay.
	This is definitely so towards somebody like specific.
	Look, the only thing broke men have to offer is dick.
	I'm mid-ass modified on the audacity.
	Please collapse under full moon and stay the hell away from me.
	I'd rather fuck scarecrow.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Hashtag I'm Richard.
	No straight men are allowed consumption of my music by any means.
	If a straight man is caught listening, dancing, or vibing to music made by me, consequences will be extreme but very.
	Maybe find $300 to my cash app.
	Okay, next.
	Because my music is for the gayest girls LGBTQ plus.
	Okay.
	I hope my music.
	I hope my music makes men uncomfortable.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Just because it's so girly, it's so hyper-feminine.
	I hope my music.
	Do you think, what about if we were to place men with, I hope my music makes just input any other group of individuals in place of men.
	Listen to any rap song actually ever or any rock song ever.
	Any rock song ever?
	Like Pearl Jam, Ledbetter.
	They're just that's super example of misogyny.
	Yes, it's all misogynistic.
	Girl jam songs, okay.
	You said any rock songs.
	I mean just like rocks, just male a lot of the 80s rock.
	Most, I would argue most like rock songs, if you listen to them, especially like they're typically like guys almost pedestalizing women.
	I'm believing listen to like blank 182 songs.
	They're like basically simping.
	They're talking about love and all this stuff.
	Well I know, yeah, like there's there's love songs.
	I'm saying that there's a lot of misogyny in male music, so I was just making a joke.
	Okay, fine.
	Next one.
	I stopped talking to men and hooking up with Rando's and I feel innocent again, childlike.
	Okay.
	Why my tweets are not this?
	Without having to think about a man at the end of the day.
	This is not, like, I feel bad for the other girls in the room.
	This is how to properly treat a high-value man, ladies.
	Take notes.
	Come home, please.
	The kids scroll down, And is this you who sent this?
	I don't know.
	Send a video of you sobbing real tears and I might.
	Yes, because I like a man with vulnerable vulnerability.
	I can't say that word right now.
	I'm having a stuck moment.
	Next tweet, Nick.
	Oh, these are the dating apps.
	Okay, we have herds pulled up.
	Do you need to use the bathroom or we can come back to you?
	Here, let me do, Nick, pull up Twitch really quick.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime.
	Their right corner donated $200.
	Why does the whatever podcast pretend to be a debate channel when it is actually an OnlyFans ad agency?
	We end simp culture by teaching men to not give an ounce of attention to these entitled hoes.
	I agree with that.
	All right.
	That is how to end simp culture.
	We have, did I get the Peacecraft one?
	Hold on, let me pull that up.
	Peacecraft bikini coffee stands in Washington were started by the Curly Curcio crime family.
	After they were banned from owning Rick's strip club on Rico charges, not only is it sex work, it funds organized crime.
	But like, are you saying that like most of the sex work people that we're talking about?
	Well, that's just a it was ran by a man.
	Yeah, but mine's ran by a woman, actually.
	Yeah, but you see this point, though.
	He's saying the organized crime family, in order to get around a ban on them being able to have strippers, went and started a bikini barista service in order to get around the ban.
	So it was definitely sex work.
	No, no, I know it's not, but listen, what he's saying is it was literally started to be a replacement for stripping by a crime family.
	So yes, they clearly intended it to be sex work is his point.
	This is the coffee shop she works.
	Yeah, let me just get through this chat.
	Let me just get through the chat of the bikini coffee shop.
	Oh, interesting.
	Grid One Motorsports back for a few minutes.
	Question for the chat.
	This is for the chat.
	One, if you think the three methadone clinic rejects are on the pod in bad faith, maybe plants, question mark.
	So one in the chat, if you think the three methadone clinic rejects are on the pod in bad faith.
	Okay, we have Red Nomad.
	These women are never accountable for anything.
	This panel makes me hate life even more.
	This is literal brain rot.
	Thanks, Brian, Chase, Andrew.
	Stumbled upon this podcast recently.
	Thanks to Chase, I am deciding to take up Christianity after giving up on religion earlier.
	Okay, thank you.
	God bless you, man.
	Thank you for that comment.
	There you have it.
	There you have it.
	It's good to know.
	All right, let me bring it to here.
	Let's see.
	Oh, I didn't do Twitch.
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	Okay, let me get to some of my notes here.
	So we have, let's see, it was Savannah, the other Savannah.
	You said, been cheated on with my ex's best friend.
	Yeah, usually, usually I just go by Saba.
	Oh, so you can do that so we can kind of do that.
	Sure.
	You said you wanted to talk about loyalty and relationships.
	And did you have something on that?
	Oh, yeah, so I've basically been cheated on in every single relationship I've been in.
	And I feel like it's a really big thing, especially since I'm such a loyal person.
	And like, when I'm in a relationship, like, I don't even look at another person, right?
	And I think that like disloyalty is definitely perpetrated in our culture.
	And, you know, like having people on the side, you know, like never going for full commitment, it's like, it's just not cool anymore.
	If I may ask, how many relationships have you had?
	Three.
	Three.
	And you've been cheated on in every single one of them?
	The last one, no.
	The last one, no, but the first two, yes.
	Were there, at the beginning of those relationships, were there any red flags that you noticed that maybe like looking back, it was easy to see, oh yeah, that guy was going to cheat on me?
	I think probably one of the things is like, I feel like having, you know, like a bunch of girlfriends, you know what I mean?
	Like, I think you can be friends with the opposite gender, but if your main communication source is, you know, girls and you are really close to primary female, I think that can definitely lead to some.
	So both of those guys that cheated on you, did they have a lot of female friends that they're regularly in contact with?
	Interesting.
	You said here in your notes, everyone is a piece of shit in today's day and age.
	To be honest, our culture is influencing men to not treat women right in relationships.
	Would you also say, do you think it's this reverse is the same, that women are not treating men right in relationships?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You also said you wanted to talk about are men and women equal.
	What did you mean by that?
	I mean, I think we already covered kind of like the differentials like kind of earlier and everything like that.
	Just, you know, like with traits and everything like that.
	But I think I did like include in there like I think I was really stupid like early on because like I said, like before I was like 17 and or whatever like that, like I had never even experienced attraction to a person.
	So when I initially started dating, like I was kind of dumb where they would like tell me, they would like be cheating on me, messaging people and be like, oh, it's not like that.
	And I'd be like, oh, for real?
	Okay.
	Right.
	And I actually, I remember, I'm not going to say what ex it was, but I went through their phone, right?
	And they were messaging hundreds of people.
	Like, it was insane the amount of people that they were messaging, right?
	And by chance, I actually clicked over on their male best friend's chat.
	He was hooking up with his male best friend.
	What?
	Yeah.
	My God.
	What?
	Yeah, it's insane.
	It's like yeah That's crazy When he said he was like Richard businessman donated $200 Brian interested in why you have talked to one-third of the girls in the thumbnail for 99% the cost why put the other two Bo Aid Sava being cheated on good lord, what were those men thinking Also, why'd you use a picture of me from two years ago?
	I look so different.
	I was jealous.
	I was like, why am I not in the we typically only put three people in the thumbnail, so that's just the way the cookie crumbled.
	That's just the way.
	Well, coming to you then, your Instagram says you're ruled by Jupiter.
	What does that mean?
	Ruled by Jupiter means, because I'm a Sagittarius, but also Sagittarius rules is ruled by Jupiter.
	And Jupiter, the planet, kind of represents like philosophical and like searching for like answers and everything.
	So yeah, that's what ruled by Jupiter means.
	Okay, I see.
	Astrological.
	Okay, I have, I'm going to come to here.
	Actually, let's do your dating app review profile.
	Nick, if you could pull it up, please.
	So we're going to review her hinge profile.
	She says, I won't shut up about politics and philosophy and my spiritual perspective.
	Okay.
	So for the viewers, Nick, if you scroll it up, please.
	Make it bigger.
	Not that big, please.
	Just the same size as the other one.
	You swipe left, you swipe right.
	This is for the chat.
	Also, I'm going to be in Santa Barbara in LA for like a week, mid-November.
	Okay, interesting.
	Next.
	Should, same size, please.
	Should possibly consider getting institutionalized.
	My therapist would say.
	Therapist would say that.
	Has your therapist actually recommended you ought to be institutionalized?
	Not recommended, but we've brought it up and was like, have you considered being institutionalized or getting medicated?
	For what?
	Suicidal thoughts.
	Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
	Okay, next.
	Green flags I look for.
	Kindness, empathy, princess treatment, and enthusiasm.
	What is princess treatment?
	And perhaps we can have all the girls weigh in.
	What is princess treatment?
	And Nick, is that the last one?
	I'll check.
	No.
	You guys can answer the question.
	So for me, princess treatment is, I guess, in a long-term committed relationship where we've both established that we're exclusive and that we love each other, being spoiled.
	And that can be in a lot of different ways.
	Financially is nice.
	So like being given money, for example, or being just by like a partner just giving you money.
	Like they know that I want some new shoes or want a new outfit or want something.
	Like a sugar daddy?
	I mean, I guess.
	Okay.
	Nice.
	That's never been consistently seen as a sugar daddy until now.
	So let me ask, what do you give in return to be treated like a princess?
	Great question.
	Oh my God, I'm such a lovey-dovey, emotionally supportive partner.
	Isn't that what both partners are expected to do in a relationship?
	And I believe that that's also a part of princess treatment is kindness and caring and stuff like that.
	But yeah, I put the same stuff on the table and I'm more, like if I'm, like I said, in a committed, happy, loving relationship, I'm more than willing to spoil my partner as well.
	I love to give my partner gifts on their birthday.
	On their birthday?
	On their birthday specifically.
	You said you want a partner to just buy you, give you, just give you money.
	I mean, that's just one way of receiving princess treatment.
	I would do the same thing for them.
	And I have that same thing.
	Why not just both of you don't give each other money and then you just both have the like if you're both like if if I give you $2,000 and then you give me $2,000, we're in the same place.
	So maybe we just didn't need to do the transaction at all.
	It's well one, that wouldn't be one singular transaction, but also it's more about the thought in the gift giving.
	So like one month my partner knows that I need to buy a dress or buy an outfit for a specific event.
	They give me the money or they buy me the outfit.
	A couple months later, they need a part for their car and I surprise they said that it's been weighing heavily on their mind that they need that part.
	So I go out and I take that burden off of them for buying that part.
	One question related to this.
	You four describe yourselves as feminists, correct?
	Did you describe yourself as feminist or no?
	Me?
	Yes, you.
	No.
	Okay, into the mic, please, if you can remember.
	Who do you think should pay on the first date, men or women?
	The man or the woman?
	Here, you start actually.
	Go ahead.
	My bias is men, but I don't really have any good arguments for or against that, so I care.
	Your bias is for men?
	Okay, but you're a feminist.
	What about you?
	My bias is for men, and if he doesn't want to, then I'll pay for my food.
	And what?
	Never see him again?
	I probably won't, unless he looks really amazing.
	That's not just a made-up concept in my head that, like, oh, people should be buying me food.
	But, like, my family has already told me, has always told me since I was like six years old that a man who's going to take care of me and want to marry me, he's going to want to completely take care of me.
	Okay, what about you?
	I think whoever asks.
	Have you ever asked a guy out?
	Yeah.
	More often than not, are you asking guys out more often, or is the guy asking you out more often?
	Well, I get asked out more often, but...
	Do you think that's all...
	Do you think most women, that's the case for them too?
	I mean, most women don't ask men out.
	Or it's very rare.
	I mean, yeah, it's like traditional.
	Well, yeah, so I mean, whoever asks should pay for the business.
	I would prefer, like, it's nice to have someone, like, to be taken care of in that way.
	Let's say you go on a date with a guy, he asks to split the bill, or he says we should split the bill.
	Will there be a second date?
	Um, I just, I, I, if, if I did that to them, I would feel, it just feels like low effort.
	That's my issue with it.
	Okay, what about you?
	Um, I think, you know, what she said about whoever asks whoever first, but to be honest, like, I love spoiling my man.
	So a lot of the time, you know, like, I'll plan, like, a dinner reservation and I'll.
	First date, I'm talking about first date.
	First date?
	Yeah, whoever asks whoever.
	Have you ever asked a guy out on the first date?
	Actually, I haven't, but I have paid for it.
	It's very convenient that women say whoever asks should pay when women don't ask men out on first dates.
	I do.
	I've got so many.
	Generally speaking, generally speaking, men are the initiators.
	Like, generally speaking, so your answer, I don't necessarily object.
	Your opinion.
	It's not my opinion.
	It's just facts.
	But there's no way to gather it like that.
	There is maybe a way we can gather more info on this.
	Would you be more likely to go out with a man who took you to do something free than somebody who did same guy?
	Yeah.
	Same guy.
	Hang on.
	Same exact guy, though, right?
	Let's say.
	Has all the same quality, same quality, same quality, same everything.
	Offers to take you to do something which requires money.
	Which which thing would you rather do, probably?
	What would you say?
	What's the things?
	Well, I have like standards with dating.
	I want someone who has a job and a car.
	So if they have like a job in a car and they're well, you know, they're just polite people, polite men, they're going to probably ask me out on the date and then that's not what I'm asking though.
	What I'm asking is, would you be, do you think that you would be more likely to do something that's free with the person who asked you out on the first date?
	Not more likely.
	No, I have to be honest.
	No, it's just, it's low effort.
	Like it's the effort that make, you know what I mean?
	I don't know.
	I appreciate effort and things like that.
	You said that it's my opinion that men are more likely to initiate first dates.
	Do you actually think that that's not a fact?
	Oddly speaking, of all the first dates that have ever occurred, do you think that that is just merely opinion?
	I mean...
	But you admitted earlier, with the words that came out of your mouth, you said more often than not, the men are asking you out on first dates.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So it's not just merely my opinion, it's your very own first-hand experience.
	Yeah, but everyone has, it's just experience.
	I would argue that.
	So yeah, I mean, I guess you're right.
	Here, let's go around the table then.
	We have seven women here.
	More often than not, who is taking the initiative when it comes to asking for the first date?
	Men with me personally.
	With you.
	What about for you?
	Men.
	Men.
	Please speak into the mics, guys.
	Men.
	Okay.
	So I think I forgot if we left off with you as far as who should pay for the first date.
	I guess my question to you guys who consider yourself feminist, how do you reconcile being a feminist, believing in gender equality, perhaps even doing away with gender roles, but also demanding that men pay for first dates or even wanting men to pay for first dates?
	Oh, I've never demanded that.
	I've actually, I've actually never seen that.
	Well, these girls, all three of you said you want, all three of you said that you want the man to pay on the first date.
	No, I didn't say that.
	Okay.
	I said, remove demand from it.
	You want, you want men to pay for the first dates.
	How do you reconcile being a feminist, believing in gender equality, but also wanting men to pay for first dates?
	That's a gender role.
	Go ahead.
	I think I would want it if any partner, like any gender, were to ask me out on a date and I agree with that.
	I would like to feel like I'm taken care of or thought of.
	But if they, if we talk about it, like we have a strong connection and they tell me their situation, they're not able to pay for the first date, but we have like a really good connection, then I would pay for the date and then still want to see them afterwards.
	If someone were to just like leave me with the bill or something like that, or like be like, yeah, can we split the bill?
	It just makes me feel like they're not going to be able to take care of me if I need it.
	And like, it's not the biggest priority for me, but it's just, it's definitely a green flag for my partner to want to pay for the first date.
	Okay.
	I feel like it's okay to be a feminist and want to be taken care of as well.
	It just logically doesn't make sense to me.
	I understand your viewpoint, but I just think that I can have my own.
	You want the sexes to be equal in their roles and responsibilities, but you also want the man to take a more traditional role and take care of you and be that masculine role.
	It's not traditional, though.
	I don't date traditional roles.
	It's totally traditional.
	It's gender roles.
	It's totally gender.
	traditional gender roles, but I'm traditional.
	I don't, I just don't, most of the men who ask me out on dates are not even traditional.
	And they probably still pay for first dates.
	They're still adhering.
	And if they don't ask, if we're in a conversation, if I'm on Tinder and there's a whole conversation going on, they haven't asked for a date.
	Thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	Go ahead.
	Haven't asked for a date and we are vibing.
	I'm going to ask them out.
	And that's happened a few, that's happened a few times, but mostly more likely men will ask me out on the date first.
	That's just their that and their wait.
	Out of curiosity, when you ask guys out on dates, do you want them to pay or do you pay?
	How do you do that?
	I don't like spending money.
	Like, I and wait, so you ask them out on a date and then you're hoping that they're going to pay for it?
	No, I don't hope that they're going to pay for it.
	Do you guys like talk about it beforehand?
	Yeah, like I will, I will literally ask for it because I like you'll be like, hey, should we split this?
	No, I won't.
	Like, if I ask someone out on a date, I'm not going to ask them to split because that's so low effort and weird.
	So, do you pay for it?
	Yes, I will pay for a date.
	Okay.
	If I ask someone out on a date, I'm going to pay for the full thing.
	I'm actually curious.
	Has it ever happened where you've asked a man on a date and then gone out and paid for the entire date?
	Like, even one.
	I really try.
	Like, I really try to keep it because, yeah, it does happen, but I really try.
	I'm like, I will say, I asked, so I would prefer to pay.
	You could pay.
	You could do it next time or something like that.
	That has actually happened.
	Yes, because a lot of men do insist on paying.
	But if I offer to pay for a date, I don't want to be like, oh, yeah, like, okay.
	Just that just, you know.
	It just occurs to me.
	I would be like, in my head, I'm like, ooh, like I should, but no, if I ask.
	I feel like there's a smuggle here.
	What I'm asking specifically, not is if you would offer to do so.
	I'm asking if you've asked a man out on a date and then actually paid for the whole date.
	Yes, I just said that, but I don't, what's the point?
	What are you implying?
	Well, implying anything.
	He's just asking me.
	I'm just asking.
	It just seems, I don't know, it just seems unlikely.
	I don't know why it seems unlikely, though.
	You don't know why that seems unlikely, really?
	Well, I make money.
	I make enough money.
	Modest Hakeemer donated $500.
	Jesus Sameth Christ.
	I did want to talk about that.
	What do y'all think about having a stay-at-home dad or something?
	And then the woman is the main provider.
	What's your opinion on that?
	Safe, your mic is muted.
	You're muted right now.
	No, you're good.
	Your mic is muted.
	Go ahead.
	How long has she turned out for?
	10 minutes.
	Okay.
	Like a stay-at-home dad, right?
	And then the woman is the main provider.
	What do you think about that?
	Wouldn't like it.
	Would not like it.
	Because actually, that's the type of household I come from, right?
	My mom, she went back to school.
	She makes all the money, right?
	And my dad has actually always been the stay-at-home dad.
	And the crazy thing is, they're the most traditional, conservative people you've ever met, right?
	But they've developed those different roles.
	Who makes the financial decisions in the family?
	It's kind of half and half.
	My mom, partially, but my dad, he also goes through taxes.
	Like, he's really into finances and everything like that.
	So they kind of come together and they do that.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I suppose it could work, but it probably, to some degree, goes against the natural flow between masculine and feminine in some way.
	Yeah, I feel like it would breed a dynamic where the woman would end up embodying a ton of masculine energy.
	And maybe she would be able to rest into her feminine energy when she was around the home and stuff.
	But like, you know, when a woman has to work, particularly if it's a stressful job, she has to embody a lot of masculine energy.
	I wouldn't personally want a relationship where a woman is embodying a lot of masculine energy on like a daily basis like that's like and also I just like Brian was saying it would feel very unnatural to me And I feel like totally screw up the dynamic.
	I do have a question for you on this, Chase.
	And I have gotten some flack for this because although I can't imagine me getting into a personal relationship like this, I'm not like 100% like I could never be in a situation where my girlfriend out-earned me.
	To me, I don't necessarily think the amount of money a woman makes necessarily means that there's going to be difficulties in the relationship necessarily.
	Yeah, I'm not saying that.
	To some degree, don't you think it would be kind of fucking dope?
	Like, let's say your girlfriend was extremely competent in some way, and she was just more capable of securing resources than you were, but she was, fuck, I'm kind of painting.
	But like, I'm picking up what you're putting down.
	But, like, let's say you get to stay home, and I know you're a surfer, Chase.
	Surfing work doesn't really, I surf, you know?
	Well, when I was an old, that's another, I used to surf.
	In any case, bro, it's firing at RingCon, dude.
	And instead of, you get to just go to RingCon and surf while your wife works 80 hours a week, and you can just surf.
	Bro, that'd be pretty dope, right?
	No, no, absolutely not.
	I don't want my wife to have to work 80 hours a week, bro.
	Okay, fine, fine.
	I would want 60.
	I would want, is this another?
	That's the most like Peter Pan lifestyle I've ever heard, bro.
	I would want, rather than her working 80 hours a week, I would rather her be home with our kids and with me.
	And my personal goal is to run a business that's so successful that I can afford to pay for myself and a large family and all of our expenses while operating the business.
	RingCon is firing.
	Chase, RingCon is firing.
	You gotta think about it.
	You gotta know, dude.
	I'm not going to work my wife like a slave so I can go surf, dude.
	You gotta think of it.
	Clean up the coast.
	I thought you called yourself a businessman.
	You gotta build a business that runs itself.
	Chase, Chase.
	Your wife could run herself.
	You know what supersedes business, Chase?
	Getting some fucking tubes, dude.
	Just fucking tubes are nice, but I'm not trying to work my wife out of death.
	What are you writing here, though?
	Let's say I'm derailing the company.
	Let's say, for instance, that most of the women in the United States suddenly went and got 80-hour a week jobs whether men stayed home and surfed.
	You're really complaining because that would never happen over.
	Never.
	Savannah, I think I'm picking up on what you're putting down.
	If you want to financially support me at my current lifestyle where I'm at, where I can just lay back and surf and not have to work, we could arrange something.
	I'm just saying.
	Can I add to that?
	Can I?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Oh, sorry, sorry.
	Was that like a request or was that?
	i mean it's more of a hypothetical i mean he's asking will you be will you be a sugar mama Good at surfing.
	Yeah.
	I'm not trying to be a professional.
	Wait, are you saying if she's really good at surfing, you would do it for him?
	No, I'm a soul surfer.
	And it's like hot and you're down to provide for him.
	No, I don't want to be a competitive surfer.
	I'm a soul surfer.
	Bro, this is your ticket.
	She's saying if you get good at surfing, she's down to be a sugar mama.
	You're going to get a video and you do like a cool flip or something.
	I know how to do like cups.
	All right.
	All the bros watching, you just heard the ticket.
	If you're a good surfer, she will be your sugar mama.
	No, exactly.
	Real?
	I have a question.
	Yeah, what's up?
	So like picking you off that, obviously.
	Are you trying to put your ticket in the house?
	So in my past, last two relationships, I was provider, yes, because as a stripper, you would assume I'm going to be afraid of the program.
	Yeah, so my allowance is $10,000 a month.
	Minimum.
	Minimum.
	Can you handle that?
	That's my allowance.
	So my thing is, let me give you a little bit of a bad thing.
	So like a lot of men obviously are against sex, like sex work strippers, whatever.
	You know, I understand why.
	But I've dated my exes, you know, I've dated them.
	And as a stripper, I was provider.
	I take care of myself and I pay my own bills and I was able to support having another human in my life.
	I put food on the table.
	I took care of everything.
	You know, but a lot of men are against the whole stripper aspect.
	But me, it's like, okay, so this man just paid for a $1,000 lap dance with me, right?
	And I just put $500 down to get you whatever you want.
	Like, think of it another man paying for our dates or whatever, you know?
	But I don't think that would make most men feel.
	Where are you arriving?
	Are you right?
	So, huh?
	What's the question?
	So, I was just trying to piggyback off the whole woman being a provider instead of the man, you know.
	Like, I've done it before.
	And I get 50% of your OnlyFans earnings.
	I don't have an OnlyFans.
	Okay, and your stripper earnings.
	Aram.
	I get a $10,000 allowance.
	I'm being a bit filthy.
	Are we negotiating here?
	$10,000 a month allowance plus 50% of your earnings.
	No, I was going to ask a completely update.
	Lord, have mercy.
	We must.
	Send the surfing video and I'll consider it.
	Okay.
	Oh, gosh.
	You told me you would date him if he had good circums.
	You know what I mean?
	Good surfing moves, is that?
	If he could shred.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Shred the law.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Get totally pitted.
	Do y'all think it's like a little zesty?
	Do y'all think it's a little zesty to like wash your ass in the shower?
	Zesty?
	What does this mean?
	Zesty.
	It's like, yeah, basically.
	No, that's just.
	Is it what?
	It's homosexual.
	Is it gay?
	Fellas, is it gay to keep yourself clean when you're showering?
	No, that's just hijacking.
	Okay, I don't wash my ass.
	I literally have so many guys that are like, I don't wash my ass in the shower.
	That's insane.
	You're turned off by men who wash their ass?
	No, I'm turned on by that.
	Well, no, I mean, not like this.
	No, I don't think it's quote unquote zesty for hygienic.
	I'll double down on this.
	Baby wipes, not just TP, you've got to use baby wipes too if you're wiping, you know?
	Do you like shave it too?
	Bro, I think, I think it's, no, absolutely not.
	I was kind of sold.
	I think it's quote unquote zesty for dudes to accumulate dingleberries.
	Wait, that's zesty.
	Is this a whatever exclusive chase gets waxed?
	What?
	No, you shave down there.
	That's right.
	I just properly shower when I shower, is what I'm saying.
	Like, if you don't wash yourself in the shower, you will say dingleberries.
	Sick.
	So would y'all date a sex worker if it meant you could stay home and do whatever you want?
	Huh?
	What?
	Would y'all date a sex worker or stripper or whatever if it meant you could stay home and do whatever you want and get the allowance you wanted.
	No, absolutely not.
	That's like the most cuck thing in the world, Brian.
	It's hesitating.
	Bro, are you seriously down to cuck like that?
	If you got your $10,000 a month, you're like, I will not date a sex worker, but if she's paying for everything, I'll compromise on my values.
	You're like, the money.
	Think about the money, Brian.
	Come on.
	You've heard me say this before.
	You've heard me say this before.
	I said, I would consider.
	I've never dated or even hooked up with a girl who does OnlyFans or anything like that, so long as she's never done BG content.
	I said, if she does solo content, maybe it's going to be very difficult for me.
	I might not be able to do it.
	It might be tough.
	I don't know if I could do it.
	But if she's paying for everything.
	I'm strictly solo.
	And you're madly in love with her.
	I need, again, $10,000 allowance.
	$10,000 allowance, 50% of her earnings.
	That's a tough one.
	No, that shit's gross.
	I'm sorry.
	It's degenerate.
	It's degenerate and immoral.
	Like, no, that shit's gross.
	Colleen donated $99.
	Bunny, I noticed you're wearing a Benedictine here.
	Let's just not read it while you're doing it.
	Let's not read it while she's.
	I'll pull it back up.
	So that's a good question.
	That's a good, good comment.
	Yes.
	Truthfully, I don't.
	Nobody's done.
	Yeah, how long has Bunny been gone?
	She just left.
	Five minutes.
	Or she just went to the restaurant.
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Yeah, well, I'll pull it back up in a little bit.
	It took my 10 minute break.
	Wait, oh, we had to do, oh yeah, did we unmute?
	Wait, we should read that last super chat.
	Somebody paid like $100 for that.
	Wait, which one?
	We should read it out loud.
	The last one that we just had up on the screen.
	Oh, hold on.
	Somebody said, Brian, you need to stop and check on the first girl at the table.
	She's passing the F out, bro.
	Girl number two, nobody is buying what you're selling.
	Girl number four, you're extremely beautiful.
	P.S. First time caller.
	Thanks for the super chat.
	Was coming.
	Dude, welcome.
	Welcome, Wisconsin.
	Snow Dog.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate that.
	Said you're extremely beautiful.
	Oh, extremely beautiful.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	First time caller, that means like the first.
	First super chat.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And let me see if there's any other chats.
	Here.
	Okay, I had more notes.
	Wait, we were, oh, okay, for you, uh.
	Let's see here.
	Summer, you said, I'm very feminist.
	Yes.
	I think the majority of the issues, these are your words, I think the majority of issues within relationships stems from men and or patriarchal social norms, which I'd be happy to discuss.
	You said the majority of issues within relationships stems from men and or patriarchal social norms.
	And just, I want to dive into that, but would you also say that the majority of issues in society and life, broadly speaking, stem from men and or patriarchal social norms?
	So maybe not life issues as much as within heterosexual relationships.
	So men are the fault.
	Men are at fault in romantic relationships.
	What I said is the men and or patriarchal social issues.
	Okay.
	But you said the majority of issues within relationships stems from men.
	Yes, the majority, meaning not all of them.
	So I do believe that women can be toxic, like she was discussing.
	But men are more toxic?
	Not necessarily, but I do believe in a lot of the relationships that I've seen.
	Brady Bird donated $200.
	Case is on the longest undefeated run in history.
	To the women on the panel, would you date a guy who works out of town for four to six months out of the year?
	Case, you ever read Surfing for God?
	Hashtag Christice Lord.
	Yo, thanks for the compliment, bro.
	No, I haven't read it, but I've heard really good things about that book.
	Okay, so to the women on the panel, would you date a guy who works out of town for four to six months out of the year?
	Here, starting with you.
	Would you date a guy who works out of town four to six months out of the year?
	No, what does he do?
	It doesn't just...
	Then no.
	Would you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah?
	Depending on salary.
	Okay.
	So what would the threshold be?
	Excuse me.
	Just like the same amount as what I would make.
	Okay.
	I mean, would I be able to see them while they're traveling?
	Probably not.
	Probably not.
	I mean, it kind of depends.
	Most of the relationships I've done, I travel a lot, so they have kind of been long distance.
	Wait, you travel a lot or they do?
	No, I do.
	Well, usually.
	Red flag.
	What?
	How's that a red flag?
	I have to.
	I have to for like social media, but word.
	Yeah, so maybe.
	Yes, I've dated Marines, like I've stated, and they've been on deployments for six months or longer, so I've done it before.
	It's not an issue.
	It depends on if we had children or not.
	Can you expand on that?
	Children need their father.
	So if you don't have children with him, you would?
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	But you wouldn't consider marrying and having kids with somebody who had that kind of lifestyle?
	Well, it would depend.
	Like, would it be able to change in the future?
	Let's say for the next five years, probably not.
	Well, I mean, I'm 26.
	I have plenty of time to have children if I wanted to.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm not dating, but as a married woman, it's not really an option for us.
	When you were dating, would you consider that?
	Oh, gosh.
	That was like a decade ago.
	I don't know.
	I really, probably not.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, you were attempting to answer.
	You're saying the majority of issues within relationships stems from men.
	How so?
	And or patriarchal issues.
	How so?
	So the major issue that I encountered whenever I was in my committed relationship was his lack of ability to express his feelings in a healthy way and to actively listen and then put what he heard from me into action in our relationship.
	And I believe that those issues.
	So it's just me, me, me.
	Like, what these are my issues.
	Yeah, no, I get it, but I guess what I'm going to interject and say is just what I always hear, even on all these panels, which is that these problems stem from the patriarchy.
	They stem from men, right?
	What's the problem?
	He doesn't listen to me.
	He doesn't do it.
	He doesn't.
	He has emotional intelligence issues, which came from his family dynamic, which was impacted by patriarchal structures that we have in our society.
	What is emotional intelligence?
	What is that?
	Emotional intelligence is the ability to actively listen and to use empathy on a regular basis.
	And why does he need to have high emotional intelligence?
	In order to have a relationship with you.
	A healthy relationship.
	What was your name again?
	So my name on there is Summer.
	That was my first answer.
	What do you want me to call you?
	You can either call me Summer or Caitlin.
	Yeah, whichever one is fine.
	All right.
	Summer, you know, I was listening to your story at the beginning of the podcast about what happened with that guy that you were dating and all that.
	And then I asked the follow-up question what your relationship was like with your father.
	And you told me now it's good, but before it wasn't so great.
	You also mentioned the denominated $200.
	Heavy equipment operator in Alaska spent the summer building an airport about $120K for around five-ish months of work.
	Potential office job later in Korea.
	Surfing for God is a great book, highly suggest.
	Dope, that's a great job.
	Also, thank you for the recommendation, man.
	Yeah, I've heard a lot of people recommend it.
	I'll look into it.
	So where I was going with this, so a moment ago, you said that, you know, patriarchy in men, these are the problems within relationships.
	Would you say that's accurate?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Can I share with you my take on what your problem may be instead?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I don't think it's rooting in patriarchy or men or any of these things.
	What I would speculate, based on your relationship with your father and what you described earlier in the podcast about the fact that you have a deep longing for love inside of your heart, like you really, really crave being loved by a man.
	This is super common in women who haven't had, I mean, all women want to, generally speaking, all women want to be deeply loved by a man, as long as they're straight, right?
	Women who have father wounds tend to not have the, how can I put this?
	Like the craving is deeper.
	It's almost like they'll do anything to fill that hole within them that their father left, right?
	Women who have really healthy relationships with their fathers typically don't put up with bad behavior from men or men who don't treat them properly.
	One of the patterns that I've noticed in women who have daddy issues is that they'll go for men who don't treat them very well.
	And it's ironic because a lot of women with daddy issues, they'll be pursued by good guys, but they almost have this like subconscious desire to act out their drama with their daddy in their mind, and they'll end up with guys that treat them like crap instead because it's almost like, well, he's treating me bad and my dad treated me bad and I want to see if I can try and secure this man's love, right?
	This is a pattern that I've noticed in women.
	What you were describing in your relationship with that guy is you pushed really hard to try and secure his love and his commitment and all these things, right?
	Yeah?
	Like you were all in within that first month, right?
	We had conversations that kind of pushed me to be all in.
	So like it wasn't just me.
	Right, he told you like he was super into it.
	Right, right.
	Now, okay, so about that, let me ask you this.
	How much of that do you think was legit and how much of that do you think was to get in your pants?
	Don't know.
	That's, and a lot of women find themselves in that position.
	They don't know.
	See, this is the thing, and Brian's made this point many times on the show, and it's a fantastic point.
	A lot of men will say whatever it takes to get into a woman's pants.
	There's a lot of dudes out there that will just like lie and manipulate so that they can get some pussy.
	He was already in my pants whenever all this stuff started.
	So I'm not sure.
	Like he didn't have to do all the extra stuff to remain in my pants.
	Right.
	To be honest.
	Okay, so how much of what he was expressing to you?
	Hold on.
	How much of what he was expressing to you do you think was legit?
	If I just have his actions in the way that he treated me, I would say it was very legit.
	Now, if he had, you know, if he was very thorough in his actions in manipulating me, I mean, he could have been manipulating me, but I don't know.
	There's no way that I can read his mind.
	Right, okay.
	Can I offer you a piece of advice?
	Because I'm sure you're probably heartbroken after how all that went down.
	You can offer it, you know.
	Okay.
	The piece of advice that I want to offer you is, and it's hard because with the unique wounding that you have from, you know, your relationship with your father and just your life experience and whatever, don't offer yourself and your heart so quickly to a man, even if you really like him.
	My therapist said the same thing.
	It's an even lie.
	It's important.
	A lot of women make this mistake.
	A lot of women will give themselves fully to a man right off the bat, regardless of whether or not he deserves it.
	Yes.
	And what I can tell you as a man is it's very satisfying.
	If there's a girl that I really like, it's very satisfying for me to have to pursue her and to work to earn her heart and to then earn it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But when a woman gives herself immediately, all of herself to a man, there's a lot of guys out there that will take advantage of that.
	And I see a lot of girls get hurt as a result of this.
	Yep, you're not wrong.
	You're absolutely right, honestly.
	But I don't think I was wrong in wanting to be loved.
	You weren't.
	You weren't.
	Acting in a way that, you know.
	I don't think you were wrong at all in wanting to be loved.
	What I would say where you went wrong is giving yourself fully to a man who didn't deserve you fully.
	I should have set boundaries with myself.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	I would say you also should have made him work for your love a little bit harder, you know?
	I'm 19, you know.
	I know.
	We live and we learn.
	Yeah.
	But it's a common mistake that I see women make, and it sucks because it leaves a lot of women super heartbroken after the fact.
	It does, yeah.
	I just gotta pull up a chat here while she was gone.
	This one came up.
	Colleen, thank you, Colleen.
	Bunny, I noticed you're wearing a Benedictine, I mispronounced that, cross, which is used for exorcisms in the Catholic Church.
	Did you know this and why are you wearing it?
	Chase's charity needs to rub off on the other men.
	Wait, what?
	I literally said you're just a question.
	Okay.
	Modest people donated $200.
	Wait, what?
	Interested to know if girls 4, 5, 6, 7 would date a healthy dad bod man that makes six figures.
	Also interested in girls 1, 2, 3 to stop talking forever.
	Brickson.
	Legit WTF is this show.
	Grid 1 Left Le Mall.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so his question to these ladies right here was, would you guys date a healthy dad bot man that makes six figures?
	Would you?
	If he's funny, I guess I'm a good person.
	It says healthy dad body.
	Is he going to the gym?
	It's like, he's not like disgusting, but like he's still got a dad body.
	For me, I think you read my dating profile.
	It's a requirement for a man to go to the gym if he's going to date me.
	I don't care if you make six figures or not.
	Requirement?
	It is because I'm big into the gym, so I want someone that goes.
	Okay, so that's a no.
	The dad bought, if he is in the gym, I don't know.
	He just said healthy dad, but I don't know what healthy dad body even means.
	It's just a dad body.
	He doesn't look like fit or anything.
	Not fit.
	Yeah, I like dad bots.
	Really?
	Yeah, I mean, it shows that they're not too into their appearance.
	Like, they're not like super, super into it.
	Because I've got a fucking dad bot right now, bro.
	I'm slack.
	Slack at somebody.
	It's easy to be fat.
	Like, I still want, like, I still go to the gym and like I want them to be able to go to the gym with me and stuff, but like, they don't need to be like ripped.
	In fact, I don't find that attractive at all when guys are super into their appearance like that.
	Like the shredded meatballs at the gym and stuff.
	Like, they scare me.
	Shredded meatballs.
	I'm working on that.
	Yeah, they scare me.
	I'm trying not to have a dad bod.
	I'm trying to not have a dad bod.
	I would say you have the option of answering it whether you want to.
	It's been a complicated journey.
	Don't like the dad bod.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't see the hype.
	I apologize and not knocking you prime.
	I'm working on it though.
	I'm trying to, you know.
	I stress seat, you know, so I've gotten a little chubby.
	I'm working on it, though.
	If you guys want to call me fat, that's cool.
	Well, hell thanks, I talk too much, but I like fat boys.
	I'm in a fat boy era.
	All different body types.
	I'm body positivity for all.
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	Nah, but for real personality in this case.
	Since y'all didn't ask by the way, but since I talked too much.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Well, okay, so here, we need to do that thing.
	Bunny, bro.
	People in the chat, bunny, people in the chat have been wondering.
	Are you under the influence of any drugs?
	No, I think I might be a long podcast.
	It's a really long podcast.
	A little what?
	Into the mic, please.
	I think I might be a little narcoleptic.
	What does that mean?
	Like you're a sleepwalker?
	I get tired when I get stressed.
	And then I get kind of tired.
	Because there's been a few times where your eyes have been like.
	I know.
	My apologies, yeah.
	No apology needed.
	I'm just concerned.
	Oh, no.
	I'm just concerned.
	I don't know.
	No, you're good.
	I think I just have like brain problems.
	Not on bad.
	Not on drugs?
	You promised me?
	It's also a five-hour podcast.
	Do you promise?
	Have you been on drugs?
	No.
	Oh, you were about to admit.
	You've been on drugs?
	You've been on drugs?
	It's a five-hour podcast.
	And Petamines, what did you take?
	What?
	And feather beans.
	No, I'm asking, did you take on drugs before the show?
	during the show what is that i'm just out you if it's no that's fine I'm kind of curious, too.
	Have you been under the influence of substances?
	Do I see them under the influence?
	No, I'm just asking if you did.
	Earlier in the conversation, you kind of did, to be honest with you, for sure.
	Oh, well, I was anxious.
	Did you pop a Zen?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	Cross your heart and hope to die?
	Well, I take medication for my anxiety, which makes me kind of sleepy.
	I'm prescribed, like, it's like Prozac or something.
	I took half a Zen, then I'm out on the flight.
	How's that sound good to get on with it?
	Never mind.
	I don't.
	Is it a Drake song?
	Travis Scott, Nick, do you know it?
	What is it?
	Out of curiosity.
	Oh, sycamore.
	Out of sycamode.
	Is anybody else at this table on SSRIs?
	No.
	I'm not going to say that.
	I'm not going to have a personal question.
	Yeah, I would have preferred not to ask that, but you guys were interrogating me, and I didn't seem like, I don't feel like I seem like I was a little bit more.
	Here, we have a question earlier in the conversation.
	There were a few moments where I was curious, but we have a question from Sydney.
	No, just I was curious if you were on some slowing your cognition because you said that word that you weren't supposed to say, then we called you out on it.
	Then you said you understood, then 20 seconds.
	I was anxious, and so I wasn't really listening at the beginning.
	Okay.
	Nick, can you pull up that chat from Spyro?
	Yeah.
	Bend of the offender donated $200.
	One.
	Ladies, what do you value more?
	Money or family?
	Okay, I'll pull that question.
	We'll go around the table.
	Go ahead.
	In what sense?
	Which do you value more, money or family?
	Are you sure you're not on the family?
	No, like, no, I'm literally just asking, like.
	Because to have family, you need to have some sort of basic.
	Wait, Nick, somebody's in there.
	Go ahead.
	Which do you want more in the family?
	Why do you want to have family most?
	Huh?
	Do you value the necessary precondition for a family is money?
	Is to have the money just of course.
	So then that would imply that family is the highest value, right?
	Yeah, family is the highest value.
	Okay.
	What do you value more, money or family?
	Go ahead.
	Well, I don't really want to have a family until I'm in my late 30s.
	Late 30s?
	Do you want to have kids?
	I want to adopt.
	You don't want to have your own kids.
	I have my own personal reasons I would recommend.
	That's totally fine, but I'll just...
	But, yeah, I'm not going to have children.
	Okay.
	But I want to adopt in the future.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no.
	I mean, it is kind of tough because you kind of need like both or whatever, right?
	But what do you value more?
	Obviously, family.
	Like, I'd rather be broken family.
	So I'm not close to my family, so I don't really have a good sense of like what family is.
	So right now it is money, but I would be willing to give up the money to have like a family, you know?
	Respect.
	Respect.
	What do you value more, money or family?
	Family.
	Wholesome.
	Family.
	Wholesome.
	Family.
	Wholesome.
	Yeah, family, of course.
	Yeah, that's a family.
	Family.
	Family.
	Go ahead, Nick, if you need to.
	Spyro Fluoropoulos.
	Chase, let Andrew Cook stop jumping in.
	He doesn't need help to destroy D-Gens.
	Don't tell me what to do, Spyro.
	Come and make me.
	Also, I love hearing Andrew Cook.
	He's a fantastic cook.
	Thank you for the Canadian 200, man.
	Mercy Booku.
	Oh, shit, and I needed Nick to pull that up.
	That's not going to work.
	Well, before we get into that question, how long is this podcast?
	We're going to wrap pretty soon.
	Don't worry.
	I got you.
	Don't worry, Boo.
	My back hurts.
	Mine too.
	Did you call me Boo?
	Yeah.
	Are you low-key attracted to him now?
	Probably not.
	I'm just doing a lot of tension between you.
	I'm not going to say anything because he's going to slam dunk me.
	How am I going to?
	He'll slam dunk me.
	I'm not.
	If you don't want to date me, I mean, I don't really know.
	Don't you?
	If you have a girlfriend, Brian, stop.
	Wait, would you if you didn't?
	I wouldn't.
	You would.
	You would, wouldn't you?
	I might consider.
	I highly doubt that.
	We have differing.
	How tall are you?
	I'm not Asian or 5'1.
	How tall are you, though?
	I'm 5'7.
	She's way too tall for you, bro.
	But that's above-average female height.
	I feel like the joke only works if she's like 5'2.
	It's only like, yeah, what?
	How tall are you?
	6'1.
	Okay.
	Yeah, Brian, you got my Instagram, so.
	Ooh.
	Oh, I thought we hated men.
	Come on.
	Nick, can you pull up the music?
	We love and we love it.
	We love and we hate.
	There is an underlying vibe that whole time while you guys were arguing back and forth, and now it's finally revealed itself.
	Chase is trying to set something up.
	The enemies to lovers arc, you guys.
	Okay.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you.
	We'll go around the table.
	Go ahead.
	9.3.
	9.3, okay.
	I don't really want to answer.
	Why?
	Why does that?
	Don't have a self-image.
	I mean, I like to think that I'm pretty, but then there's like pictures of me that I'm like, how do you feel right now?
	Like an eight or nine, depending on the angle that I catch myself at.
	Okay.
	I like this angle right here.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you look good.
	Thank you.
	I would say like a like an eight, nine.
	Like not a full time because everyone has a different type.
	So I'm like, probably like an eight and a half.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	I guess we all go in with the same answers.
	Like an eight on a good day.
	Yeah, I would say like an eight or eight and a half.
	I'd say like a seven and a half.
	Yeah, say like a seven.
	Oh, ask everyone.
	I guess what's your rating, right?
	Five?
	Five?
	Rachel thinks he's a ten.
	Rachel knows he's a ten.
	That's true.
	Rachel, my wife thinks she's supposed to think that.
	Yeah.
	I give myself seven and a half, eight on a good day.
	Give myself a six.
	Six and a half on a good day.
	Wait, you're six and a half?
	Six.
	Then I'm seven.
	Wow, okay.
	Well played.
	That's right.
	Sorry.
	All right, what else do we got?
	We have, let's see, hold on.
	Oh, we should have gotten into this last show, but we didn't.
	Chase, a TTS came in last show that we kind of glanced over.
	The question was, Chase, would you rather date the world's oldest woman?
	Wait, fuck, how does it go?
	The world's oldest.
	Sleep with, excuse me, sleep with the world's oldest woman or the world's hottest trans woman.
	Is that how it goes?
	That is correct.
	Which one, Chase?
	Honestly, bro, I'd rather sleep with the oldest woman in the world because then I wouldn't be gay.
	What if the trans woman has like a straight-up vagina?
	Like that is like a damage.
	It's not still a dude, and it's definitely not a real vagina.
	Yeah, it's like a gaping wound.
	But it's like a, it's like, it's like a pocket pussy, but like nope.
	Here, let me let me go.
	So I'll go ahead and get that.
	I think that's that's what I'm saying.
	We can get into the gaping wound.
	They literally have to dilate it to prevent it.
	Did you look it up?
	No, I haven't looked it up, but I've seen that.
	I've seen so many people online talk about it, and they're like trans women, and they talk about how they have to dilate it every day, and sometimes it'll rupture and like blood.
	It's really scary to get those all over.
	That's a yikes.
	Yeah, that's discouraging.
	So my question for the panel is: after the chat.
	I've donated $200.
	Chase, all I'm saying is women typically prattle, but so can you.
	Yeah, you know what, bro?
	I can be long-winded, but I also was trying to impart some healthy wisdom to a young woman who needed to hear it.
	I'm sorry it bored you, bro, but I'm trying to leave a positive impact.
	So my question for all of you guys is, do you object to men not wanting to date someone who's trans?
	Would you object to that?
	Starting with you?
	Me?
	As long as he's not sitting there talking about all the reasons why he shouldn't, he wouldn't want to date a trans person.
	If he doesn't want to fuck a trans person, then that is his preference.
	What about you?
	I think a genital preference is valid.
	I do not think that like if you're straight, how do I phrase genital preference?
	I think that's valid.
	I'll just keep it at that.
	What about a preference of like gender, sex, biological sex?
	He prefers to date females.
	Yes, biological females.
	I don't just prefer to date biological.
	I will only date biological females.
	Super straight.
	Yeah.
	I don't think.
	Look, I haven't felt the inside of a transgender vagina.
	So I don't know if it's the same.
	I have to be direct, right?
	I mean, it isn't the same biologically.
	Biologically, I know there's no cervix.
	There's no uterus.
	I don't know if you're not going to do it to know that it's not the same.
	Well, I know it's not biologically the same, just like she was just explaining, but like what if they have a prostate?
	She needs the stats.
	It doesn't.
	There's no way it feels the same.
	I have no idea what you're saying.
	Sarah stuck your fingers in the middle.
	Do you think there's any possible way of surging that?
	Like, that's back apart someone's body to make the same thing.
	The internal of a mouth has the same tissue as a vagina.
	So I don't know if it's not a vagina.
	Where'd you hear that?
	Of course I'm being safe.
	Maybe felt like the inside of my mouth and then felt the inside of vagina.
	I think you guys can answer that for us.
	Do they feel exactly the same?
	I wouldn't say they feel exactly the same.
	Similar.
	Pretty close.
	Wait, mouth and pussy?
	Yeah.
	Very different.
	It feels very different.
	I feel the side of your pussy very different.
	I wouldn't say it's very different.
	I would say it feels very different.
	I feel the side of your textbook.
	I like this conversation right now.
	It took a turn.
	Yeah, I like the other guy.
	But okay, we'll go around.
	Let's get everybody's take on this.
	Do you object?
	Do you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
	I mean, I like open-minded people.
	I understand people have genital preferences, so I'm not going to shame that.
	But, I mean.
	But what?
	I mean, the genital preference thing is, you know, it's valid to me.
	But yeah, I just, I don't, I'm not going to say someone's transphobic, but most people, I mean, I feel like that I've had conversations that are very, excuse me, transphobic.
	So I just don't appreciate the shaming of trans people because of that.
	Of the preference.
	But I like, I understand the preference, but being kind of bigoted towards trans people, I just don't like that part of it.
	Because it's kind of goes hand in hand most of the time.
	What?
	Did you have something to add really?
	I'm going to add really quick and then I'm going to go ahead.
	I believe that trans women are women, so that it would kind of object or provide an opinion.
	Actually, I want to get everybody's answers.
	I want to get everybody's answers, but we'll go into that.
	Go ahead.
	I mean, personally, I kind of think it's just like stupid, like, to even care about someone's preference.
	Like, someone could go want to fuck a light bulb and I'll die, you know.
	Grid one.
	I'm actually against it.
	Why are we still talking to the hippie stripper?
	There is NFW as a straight man.
	I am going to be okay kissing another dude no matter how much makeup he is on.
	I'm a hippie stripper, guys.
	That's like the best.
	Real, dude.
	Real.
	Couldn't agree more.
	I don't know.
	I'd love to hang out with Grid 1.
	He seems like a cool guy.
	He sounds like funny man.
	He's a fucking legend.
	He's got jokes, dude.
	He is a fucking idiot.
	You guys need to invite Patrick Bateman on the pod.
	You mean the fictional character played by Christian Bale, who's not actually a real person?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	I think you should invite his assistant on the pod to ask her exactly how much she makes so that we can get down to the bottom of this wage gap, okay?
	Yes, and then that will be the real truth.
	And then you guys, I will take the opposite, the actual red pill from the matrix, like the premise of the red pill.
	Stop it.
	Which is not.
	some help you need like the wait so okay where were we I think, were you answering?
	You were saying something about fucking light bulbs.
	No, I basically just said, you know, like, I don't even think it should be like a topic.
	Like, people have their own preferences, like, it doesn't even matter.
	So, like, if you'd be chill with like dating a guy who had only slept with Transformers before he met you, honestly, like, I would cosplay, you know, as Optimus Prime.
	Period, period.
	I wouldn't mind either.
	That's, I, if there was a man that I dated, the only dude trans or not only just date a trans woman.
	Yeah, no, yeah, no, he didn't.
	I thought you were using that as a transition.
	I was using a euphemism for like transgender people.
	No, I think everyone's entitled to their own preferences.
	Okay.
	Based.
	Absolutely not, because that would make him gay, and I'm not attracted to gay men.
	No, I don't object.
	Why am I based?
	What?
	Why'd you call me based?
	Because you said, no, it's fine.
	People can have their preferences.
	Wait, no, that isn't based.
	Is that based or not?
	I'm so tired of that.
	People are entitled to their own preferences.
	I think we're getting the question mixed up.
	I said, no, I would not date a man that would fuck a trans person.
	Were you saying that?
	Were you saying you would, and people are entitled to their own preferences?
	Would you object to a man that doesn't want to?
	Yeah, no, that is the question.
	That is the question.
	You are answering, would you date?
	Hell no.
	Hold on.
	Modest Hikima donated 200.
	This is the rating from Monster Comma.
	So, ladies, please define woman without using the word woman.
	In other words, what is a woman?
	Sure.
	We'll get into that.
	So I'll get right into that.
	So what were you saying before?
	You were saying what?
	Trans women are women.
	Okay, so what?
	That begs the question.
	What is a woman?
	An individual who has experiences within a society that reflect womanhood.
	And womanhood is not a progressive definition.
	What is progressive?
	What is womanhood?
	No, no, not a progressive definition, a regressive definition.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm sorry.
	So it's regressive.
	Before we respond, I actually want to get the whole, let every girl answer this question.
	So did you want to add more?
	Come back to me and I'll while we're going through, think about what womanhood is.
	So what is a woman?
	What is a woman?
	Like definition-wise?
	Sure.
	Into the mic, please.
	Shit.
	Are you Googling it?
	It's like a hard question.
	She's Googling it.
	Okay.
	That's a hard question.
	There's many different definitions from people.
	Webster's or Oxford?
	Which one are we talking here?
	Miriam's is a good source.
	I like Miriam's dictionary.
	That's a good one, I think.
	Oxford.
	Well, if we're going off of the definition that started when the dictionary started, we're going off someone who is born with XY chromosomes and X Y is male.
	X Y is male.
	X X is male.
	Okay, yeah, sorry.
	I don't, I forgot science.
	Apology accepted.
	Apology accepted.
	But yeah.
	Someone who is born with certain chromosomes is a woman.
	Some are born with chromosomes that make them a man.
	Based.
	What about you?
	You what?
	I got to stick for, I got to stick with the...
	Okay, well, living for the dolls, keeping them in mind, what is a woman?
	I believe...
	I believe it's someone who presents themselves sidedly as a woman.
	a woman as a what does it mean to present as a woman I would prefer not to answer that question.
	Why?
	Because it is a, it's a black and white answer that, or not, it's not a black and white answer for me and I just don't want it to be on the topic.
	Do you have?
	Do you have something?
	Honestly, I feel like this is not as progressive as I want it to be, but I'm not 100%.
	There's going to be no middle ground when I say my answer, so I just prefer not to.
	Wait, just let her finish, please.
	Go ahead.
	I guess maybe being a trans woman is not being a woman, but simply because of the experiences.
	So I defined it as having the experiences of womanhood.
	Trans womanhood and cisgender womanhood.
	You guys know what cisgender is, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, okay.
	Deeply offensive word, by the way.
	How dare you?
	How dare you refer to us as cis.
	I'm offended.
	I refer to myself as transhumanism.
	We're messing with you.
	Trans womanhood.
	Very different experiences.
	You know, the transgender woman probably grew up as a boy.
	So they have so many different experiences.
	Now, if they are cisgender passing after they transition, they might have a lot of similar experiences.
	Minus not having a moment.
	Well, the question is, what is a woman?
	I know, that's why I said I took back my answer.
	Yeah, but you realize the limitations with what you're saying.
	Let's just let all the girls answer first.
	So what is a woman?
	An individual who has the experience of womanhood.
	And womanhood is experiencing, sorry, excuse me.
	Sexism on a regular basis.
	That's womanhood?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Based on the tweets that I heard earlier, based on the tweets that I heard earlier during this podcast, I have been the recipient of sexism tonight.
	Are you telling me I've experienced womanhood?
	You've experienced.
	Yeah, you're one of the dolls now.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah, you're a girl.
	You want a transgender woman?
	But so womanhood is the experience of sexism.
	I guess to be more specific, sexism from men to women.
	Or does that make sense?
	The definition of sexism is what you described earlier was the social.
	Are you saying prejudice plus power?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Well, I don't believe that definition.
	I'm just saying that definition that you provided earlier.
	So, right, and to reiterate, your position is you can't be sexist against men, is my understanding.
	With that definition, yes.
	With that definition.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	So you're saying that like all men, like for example, let's say a woman in a position of power was sexist towards homeless men who have no power.
	Would that be sexism?
	Like Kamala Harris was like just like going around like beating the shit out of homeless men because they're homeless men.
	Is that sexism?
	She would though.
	Because she has power.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Does Kamala Harris, as a woman, the vice president of the United States, does she have more power than the homeless man?
	Yes, absolutely.
	But so women are capable of having power ergo, even using prejudice plus power.
	Women can be sexist towards men.
	I don't buy into your use of your definition of sexism, but even using your own, we can say that women are absolutely capable of being sexist towards men.
	So long as those women have more power than the men they're being sexist towards.
	I guess it depends on what she is acting upon.
	Is she acting upon her power as a woman or is she acting on her power as a wealthy individual?
	So in this situation, she would be acting with her power.
	The intersection of oppression.
	There is a lot of intersection.
	No offense, guys.
	This is a waste of time.
	We should get back to the what is a woman.
	Okay, sure.
	Wait, well, I think we were on Sav, but she's up getting some water now.
	What is a woman?
	I mean, to keep it concise, a woman is a woman that's born a woman from a woman.
	A biological female.
	Wait, we, okay, well, sounds up, so.
	Sav, we need you.
	What is a woman?
	A human being with XX chromosomes.
	You can hide it.
	What is a woman?
	An adult human female with XX chromosomes.
	Thank you, Matt Walsh.
	Solid.
	Sav, what is a woman?
	I don't know.
	That's like a hard question.
	Is it though?
	Answer the mic, please.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Do you mean in terms of can like a trans woman be a woman?
	No, just like what is a woman?
	I don't know.
	I think it's just the sense of, you know, being feminine, you know, like motherhood, like carrying empathetic traits.
	I feel like it's really hard to summarize what a woman is.
	I feel like it's really not.
	They're talking about biology completely.
	Yeah, we're not talking about like what traits women embody.
	Like just what is a woman?
	Not like what does she embody, but like.
	So it's basically the basis, like, is a trans woman a woman essentially?
	Yeah.
	They want to.
	That's the context.
	It's a probe.
	Probe.
	We're basically trying to clarify, do you view trans women as real?
	I remember what your question was earlier.
	You said a probing question, a question that doesn't go anywhere.
	This question actually means something.
	Yeah, but it's not going.
	You could just be like, are trans women women?
	Yeah, instead of being trans women.
	You could say, are trans women women, but you could also just ask, what is a woman?
	Well, but you guys have had very diverse answers.
	If you define it differently than we do, right?
	We have a semantic difference.
	Yeah.
	Then it's actually important for us to reconcile the semantic difference.
	Right?
	Yeah, just with these debates, we're in front of a spectacle.
	We don't have rapport.
	So there's no middle ground.
	So it's like, if I, when I want to say something.
	That doesn't mean one of us can't be wrong and one of us can't be right.
	Or both of us be wrong or both of us be right.
	So why do you need rapport to have a logical debate with somebody?
	That's like expert debate, like people.
	People who win champion debates don't like they.
	What rapport do you need to have a logical debate with somebody?
	The way to have an actual debate that goes somewhere that progresses.
	No.
	In fact, two people who are not aware of that.
	Because this conversation is not going to progress.
	We've just had different viewpoints.
	There's been no Logical distinction here that I can demonstrate to you that a woman cannot be a woman because you say it's a woman because it's a woman because that would be regressive, regressive, regressive, progressive, progressive.
	And that's your opinion.
	No, that's not my opinion.
	I would actually, I think that'd be super valuable content.
	Make that argument, Andrew, please.
	Okay, all definitions have to point at something.
	All of them have to point at something.
	So, what is a microphone, right?
	Whatever I say a microphone is, has to point at what a microphone actually is.
	So, if you say- You don't have to patronize me.
	I know.
	Well, I do have to patronize you.
	So, if you say that woman is a woman.
	That's the end of the road.
	Like, I will leave.
	Oh, no, I don't care.
	It's not my show, lady.
	I don't give a shit if you leave.
	I do want to hear that.
	What I do want to make a point on that anyway.
	I'm not triggered.
	I just don't want to be triggered.
	If you're looking strictly at a microphone, right?
	A microphone is going to be a little bit more.
	I'm going to go to the $200.
	So glad I never went to college to get indoctrinated by these ideals.
	The things they teach in these cookie pen and women apart because the establishment knows the nuclear family is a threat to them.
	Facts, dude.
	Well said.
	So you're uneducated.
	Am I allowed to leave?
	But I think the one thing, you know, like what's with the attitude?
	I just want to go.
	I don't like this debate.
	Which debate?
	The what is a woman debate or I like the because you want to switch the body count?
	We can talk about body count.
	What's your body?
	Because I can't.
	I can't.
	Body count?
	With the racism on anything.
	Racism, huh?
	What?
	Or like any of these debates about like the social.
	Like, I can't.
	The socio.
	Just the socials.
	Social issues.
	Because this is a dating show, and now we're talking about trans women.
	Well, because there is to some degree.
	And it's like for trans women, and I'm not about to.
	And I have a lot of people in my life that I care about that.
	I think people have a lot of opinions about a lot of things, but there had to be a lot of people who are.
	That's why I don't want to gangry.
	Gangry.
	What?
	You don't want to watch your gangster?
	I don't want to get upset.
	Gangrene?
	Because I want to respect everybody in the room, but I don't want to get upset.
	If it isn't your responsibility, if you're going to have to.
	And I would rather just leave if that's the case.
	So, I mean, so I will say, I mean, I'm certainly not going to keep you here, but I will say, if you feel this strongly about your love for your friends that identify as trans, this is a fantastic opportunity for you to make a case for why they are women in your eyes.
	Yeah, I just, I don't want to.
	We can talk about body count.
	Let's talk about body count.
	What's yours?
	And does it matter?
	Does body count matter?
	I'm curious.
	Okay.
	I'm very curious.
	We could go on it.
	Let's talk about body count.
	Okay, let's do it.
	I would say probably what's the first rule of fight club?
	We asked this one.
	That you always talk about everything that happens in Fight Club.
	I know the quote.
	But I think up like 15.
	Think up like 15?
	Yeah, up to 15.
	Up to 15.
	And I lost my virginity when I was 14, so.
	Okay.
	That's my scale.
	So that's my scale.
	Which one of you tweeted about having a something about time to be a host?
	Wait, what was it?
	One of you tweeted something about like time to the roster, right?
	Something like that.
	Here, we'll do body count.
	We'll go around the table.
	One, should body count matter?
	Two, what's your body count?
	It shouldn't matter, and I don't keep a body count.
	Range of how many people you've had sexual intercourse with?
	But I just like write down on a list every time I have sex.
	No, but you could think, well, there was that guy, that guy, that guy, there was her, that guy, that guy.
	Like, you know, you can get a reasonable estimate.
	You know?
	Reasonable estimate.
	You could do a range, 10 to 20, 20 to 30.
	Less than 100, more than 100.
	There's less than 100?
	Oh, okay, that's helpful.
	So 0 to 99.
	0 to 100.
	Yeah, 0 to 99.
	You guys can figure out from whatever, because I don't fucking know either.
	We have a rule on this podcast.
	If you give a range, we have to assume it's the higher end.
	We have to assume, like, if you say 1 to 50, we have to say 50.
	It's 50 then.
	Okay, if you say so.
	Do you want to just tell us the body count?
	No, because I don't keep track.
	I don't have like a note.
	Is it more?
	Here, let me ask you: is it more than 10?
	Ballpark, yeah.
	More than 10.
	More than 20?
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	No.
	Were you on Xanax for most of these encounters?
	I've been having sex since I was 17.
	Okay.
	All right, what about you?
	I don't think it's important, but minus four.
	Okay.
	Does body count matter?
	What's your body count?
	I think you can.
	This guy loves interrupting you about it.
	$100.
	Yeah, thank you, Jacama.
	Appreciate the debate.
	Only answer questions with questions.
	The only liberal that debates is destiny, and he only gets zoned as he did three times on whatever.
	Interesting, how so hard to define woman.
	All right, Maddus Jacama.
	Thank you very much, man.
	Appreciate the comment.
	Go ahead.
	I think, you know, like sometimes, you know, it can be just kind of dependent.
	If you're getting into a serious relationship for me, I want them to be extremely loyal.
	If they're exhibiting qualities, you know, right before we're getting into something, they're still talking to people.
	They're doing a lot of hookups.
	Just because I don't do that, like, I personally wouldn't want that in my partner.
	Sure.
	For my body count, that's only between me and my future partner, but I will give you that.
	It's a single digit.
	You can count it on a single hand just so nobody gets any ideas.
	But I don't, personally.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	No, I don't think body count matters.
	I haven't asked the man what his body count was in years.
	I think it's more so if someone's being safe and getting tested regularly and what their views are on sex.
	But I do prefer monogamy, but okay, so it doesn't matter.
	So what's your body count?
	I don't know.
	I don't keep track of it either.
	Range?
	More than 10.
	I don't know.
	I'm old.
	I don't keep track of it.
	You're old?
	How old are you?
	I'm 25.
	That's not that old.
	No, I'm 25.
	I lost my virginity at 19.
	Okay, six years.
	Six years?
	Yeah.
	Why are you looking at me like that?
	I was just sitting here.
	More than 20?
	No.
	Come on, be honest.
	If you've lost count, it's more than 20.
	No, I just don't feel the need to keep track of that, Shayla.
	I'm not going to let you.
	But you can't, okay.
	Like, if I'm just trying, if I'm trying to remember all the concerts I've been to, I can start counting.
	Okay, I went to that Pearl Jam concert.
	I went to see this band, this band.
	I might forget a couple of the bands I've seen.
	Oh, I forgot I went to the warp tour, et cetera, et cetera.
	There might be a few you forget, but you can start, okay, there was Roberto, there was Bartholomew, there was Bartholomew, there was Cornelius.
	You can start remembering the names or the encounters.
	I don't hook up a lot anymore like I used to.
	Anymore, but you used to hook up a lot.
	I think body count defines who you are in present time.
	So 50?
	No.
	Come on.
	Just start counting, like, start naming the dudes.
	I'm not going to name dudes.
	Here, how many in the military?
	Just in the military, how many in the military?
	Like 10.
	10 in the military.
	And how long were you in the military for?
	A year.
	Okay, so we're going to do the math here.
	So 10 in a year, lost her virginity at 19.
	She's now 25.
	10 per year, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25.
	70.
	I haven't even fucked 10 guys this year or last year or the year before that.
	So like my total?
	Like, what?
	Right, but maybe you put all your, you got all the numbers at, you know.
	I just started hooking up less the last few years.
	I just changed my mindset on shit.
	But you could do it like a 10 per year average.
	No, no, you're like.
	10 per year.
	Okay, so.
	Yeah, 10 per year average, what he's saying.
	But you could have done like 30 at 19 or 20.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Does that sound accurate?
	No.
	You want to.
	Okay.
	Range?
	Range 20 to 30, 40 to 50?
	What do we?
	That's not that literature, right?
	I'll just leave it at that.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My body count is three, and it absolutely does matter.
	That's why so many women don't want to answer the question, and that's why they lie about their body count, because inherently they know that it does matter, and it affects your ability to pair bond.
	Do you think that I'm lying about not remembering?
	I didn't say you were.
	I was just saying most women do.
	No, I lie though.
	I definitely believe that.
	I definitely lied.
	I don't remember.
	Yeah.
	Like 100% I believe that.
	But I knew that someone was going to say something anyway, so I was going to be, I'm going to say it.
	That's why they say you should times it by three.
	I'm not lying, though.
	Mold for your girl.
	I hope you find a good man.
	Me too.
	I think body count matters, especially for men.
	I think that it matters more for men than it does for women.
	Respectfully, I'm not going to share my body counts between my husband and I, God.
	Sure.
	Low enough to get married, though.
	Low enough to get married.
	So are you saying that if it's too high?
	And the white dress.
	If it's too high.
	Can a woman no longer get married?
	Or will it make it more difficult for her?
	No, I absolutely think that she can still get married.
	I think that it will be more difficult, and I think that's going to narrow down the demographic of the type of man that she's going to get.
	Doesn't have to be so harsh.
	It doesn't have to be so hurtful, but you absolutely have a choice.
	And you can regret the things that you've done too and choose not to act that way in the future and procure a man that can value you.
	Sure.
	Amen.
	I agree with that.
	I completely.
	You guys can respect her decision to not disclose it, but you want to kind of want me and her for not wanting to do that.
	But it's just married, though, too, to be fair.
	Oh, yeah, but that's because she has a husband.
	Well, wait a minute.
	I actually hide it, but I'm not going to disclose it.
	You kind of gave them the curiosity, so that opens up the conversation to them diving into what I said.
	I also wasn't going to disclose it.
	I was about to say that.
	I said I wasn't going to, I don't want to, like, I don't want to disclose it.
	And then you say, just give me an estimate.
	Just give me an estimate.
	So then I made one another.
	I'm not sure if that's the same thing.
	Oh, so she gave an estimate, though.
	She said it's low enough to get married.
	Yeah, you said you don't know.
	So then I started, you know, I started, well, I mean, what about your change?
	You lied?
	At least you can admit it.
	I respect that.
	You lied as in it's higher than 15 about?
	I honestly don't keep track.
	I lost my virginity at 14.
	Okay.
	Like, I don't think it's that high.
	I think it's around like 15.
	I think a lot of girls don't count certain bodies.
	Like, sometimes if it's a one-night stand, you won't even count that.
	If the sex was bad, you won't count that.
	If it was just head, you won't count that.
	No, I'm doing a count.
	I like, don't even want to disclose, but I think it's funny.
	But it's like ballpark 15, 20 or something like that.
	15, 20, 25, maybe.
	Yeah, I'm trying to be as honest as possible, genuinely.
	But I did lie about, like, yeah, because it's definitely higher than 15, but like, ballpark.
	Word, word.
	Andrew, any thoughts on body count?
	You got any thoughts?
	I've already seen this clip of him talking about it.
	Wait, what?
	Nothing.
	I've seen that.
	It was you, right?
	What?
	In the clip of you going on some girl because you were.
	Okay, maybe it wasn't you.
	Never mind.
	You got thoughts on body count?
	I thought I'd seen him talk about body count.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it matters a lot.
	Especially seems to matter.
	It doesn't seem to matter so much on men, interestingly enough, but it's men take it seriously when it comes to women, though.
	So women think.
	Because they don't want to imagine their holes getting railed.
	That's why men don't like that.
	Well, no, see, what it is, actually, is that women don't care.
	They have a selection bias.
	So what happens is if men have not slept with a woman, women think there's something wrong with him.
	It enters into a red flag area for them.
	No, I love that.
	I love a virgin.
	I literally love a virgin.
	That's just not true.
	Not only is it true, but there's empirical evidence.
	It's not.
	I've empirical evidence.
	I've taken two virginities as an adult, like adult men.
	I've taken two virginities.
	Yes, but that's whatever your personal experience is doing something, that doesn't mean that.
	That doesn't mean that it's applicable to everybody else, right?
	It doesn't mean it's applicable to everybody else.
	So what we find is, seemingly, this seems this way, that men tend to value virtue and chastity in women a lot more than women value chastity in men.
	I would have to disagree.
	Based on what?
	Disagree about what?
	There's the chastity and like women don't care about chastity in men.
	I don't want to date a hoe, like a guy who's high.
	But I mean.
	So this is what I mean by the subjective metric, right?
	If a guy had two, like had slept with two women versus he had slept with 10 women, what difference does that make to you?
	None.
	Then you just made my point for you, or for me.
	How did that make your point?
	Because if you don't care.
	Question for the panel: what other than three usable holes and an attitude do you have to offer in a relationship?
	For the married lady, your lovely base description of married life earlier gets you a pass.
	Because if you don't care between the two to ten, which you said you didn't by asking.
	That means I'm saying that I don't think body count for men.
	No, no, no.
	No, that's not.
	You're rephrasing the answer.
	I asked you specifically: if a man has slept with two women or ten women, I'm too tired.
	And what does it matter?
	And you said, it doesn't matter.
	Right.
	That's my whole point.
	It doesn't matter to you, the person who said it matters.
	But to men, that matters.
	I mean, like, I still, I guess, yeah, it can matter on both sides.
	Like, if the body count is high, I think there's a psychological difference, too.
	Yeah.
	Sex.
	Men treat sex more of a physical as a physical thing.
	Yeah.
	Women, it's more of a mental I can agree with that.
	What?
	That's why it affects us so much.
	That's why body count matters.
	Grid one, he's just asking, what do you offer in a relationship?
	Other than that.
	The language is a little strong.
	I don't want to repeat it.
	But I think he also sent a question earlier on asking, what are they.
	Oh, I think he also asked, what are they looking for in a relationship?
	Hmm.
	I mean, I agree with Andrew here on this one, though.
	Like, generally speaking, I would say men care far more about body count than do women.
	I'm not, again, it's are there women that would prefer men that are non-promiscuous?
	Absolutely.
	Perhaps a lot of women don't want to date a promiscuous man, but I would argue that generally speaking, women care far less about a man's sexual past in so much as if he's slept with a lot of women, I think most women, it's not as big of a deal as it is to men.
	Why?
	I haven't heard anyone ask me that since high school.
	Like, that's so, like, it's just such a amateur question.
	Like, if a grown man, I would be, I'd be honest, but like, if a grown man and I were like getting into a relationship or something and he was saying, What's your body count?
	Yo, what's your body count?
	I'd be like, I think it's just like immature.
	I don't think it's.
	Are you the paragon of maturity?
	Did I use that?
	No, I'm not, I'm not the paragon.
	Did I use that right?
	Yeah.
	No, I just think it's like an odd question.
	I mean, because like if I'm not, if they don't see me actively like being a hoe or a splutter or something, like I just don't understand why the reason that it's ingrained in men is it because it's like an insecurity of who's better.
	I don't like to use the insecurity thing, but like it's not because any of that.
	It's because of paternity.
	It's because of paternity.
	So how could men, previous to paternity tests, have more assurance that their offspring was theirs?
	But like.
	No, no, no.
	Answer my question.
	Don't ask a question, answer it.
	That's why you do that.
	Do you think that monogamy might be a really good way to help ensure that your offspring?
	Yeah, when you're in a relationship, yeah, but one of the things that you can point to to look at to determine this is if a woman's sleeping with a lot of different men, that she probably needs to be monogamous, and so therefore your assurance is your offspring's going to be yours far lower.
	Well, more likely if a man, like, I've just a lot of like hoe men date hoe women.
	So it's like what does that have to do with my point?
	What does it have to do with that?
	I don't know.
	You're like coming.
	You're a wound, bikini, or full nude pictures of you online for free.
	Let's not lie, your pics are leaked.
	Or by paying $5 to $15 one time, why would I ever marry you?
	Already gave the secret away.
	Already gave the secret away.
	Thank you, Jacama.
	Appreciate it.
	You don't know what it feels like.
	Which one on the panel?
	The hoe.
	The pussy?
	Do you think that's the primary reason?
	Fresh breast in your mouth.
	You don't know what you're doing.
	Do you think that's the primary reason a man wants to marry a woman is her pussy or her tits?
	I would hope not.
	Okay, so your response to Jacama kind of falls flat there.
	It's more about being with, I think, is what I responded to, but the marriage is like.
	Okay.
	Taking like this day.
	Nick, where did Chase go?
	Is he on the balcony?
	Yeah.
	He needs to see.
	Is he smoking?
	What's he doing?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	What do you mean you can't see?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see if we're caught up on chats.
	Before we wrap up the show.
	Oh, wait, do we have this?
	Oh, okay.
	Anybody, any final thoughts from anybody?
	Yeah, I just would still like to have an answer to that question.
	I'm so tired.
	Like, I don't, I've been here for so long.
	I don't feel like I would love to answer when I'm of the right frame of mind to have an actual philosophical, smart, intelligent answer.
	Do you have those a lot?
	So I'm not clipped.
	No, I'm making, I'm joking with you.
	Yeah, I was joking.
	I'm very joking.
	I was joking with you too.
	Except my joke was funny.
	And mine was too.
	Boom, roasted.
	I need everyone to clap in the room, ha, ha, ha, ha.
	But they're not.
	How many relationships have you had?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Serious ones?
	Yeah, relationships, two.
	Two?
	Yeah.
	Who ended the relationship?
	Me.
	Both of them?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	It's actually fairly common women typically end relationships more so than men, but I do want to go around the table on this.
	Are your parents still together or separated?
	This is for everybody.
	Your parents together or were they ever married?
	If they were married, are they separated, divorced?
	Separated.
	And I was going to mention about how you guys always talk about daddy issues, and it's the complete opposite for me.
	Like, my dad is supportive of me, and I don't have my mother in my life.
	Okay.
	So I just, like, I want, like, you guys should, like, talk about parental issues, because not every girl has daddy, the daddy issues things.
	I just think that's so funny.
	I'm just asking the question.
	So are your parents still together, married?
	Are you on drugs?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Just because I'm yawning?
	No, just...
	She asked you a question?
	What's...
	But, like...
	No, I'm not.
	Sure.
	Yeah, let me scoot in closer.
	So, sorry.
	Can you scoot over again, please?
	Thank you.
	I asked a question.
	Yeah, I'm wondering why you were asking that question, though.
	Why I'm asking if your parents are still together or are they just a little bit out of it.
	Previously, you explained that you have narcolepsy, but you've seemed a little bit out of it.
	You frequently go to the bathroom, so I don't know what.
	I've also drank in like three cups of water since I've sat down.
	That's cool.
	Okay, fine.
	You're not on drugs.
	Cool.
	Do you want to answer the question?
	How long have my mom and dad been together?
	No.
	What's the question?
	Are your parents still together?
	No, my dad died when I was three.
	Okay, what about you?
	My parents are divorced, but my stepdad has been in my life since I was six.
	Yes, they're together.
	Mine are divorced.
	My parents got divorced when I was 18.
	They're still together.
	Okay.
	Still together.
	Cool.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	I forgot there was something in there.
	I'm sorry.
	We have the paper towels.
	You do have the paper towels.
	Any final thoughts from anybody else?
	I think you got yours in.
	What about?
	Feminism for the win.
	No.
	Feminism for the win.
	Yes, but.
	Oh, okay.
	Shout out to my dad.
	Mediumism for the win.
	Feminism for the win.
	And shout out to my daddy.
	I think abortion is a tool, the patriarchy.
	Wait, abortion is a tool of the patriarchy.
	Yep.
	Abortion is healthcare.
	It is absolutely not.
	Healthcare doesn't kill an innocent human being.
	It's a murder of children.
	Then we would be in a mass genocide crisis.
	Yeah.
	We are literally.
	Well, you should be running into clinics and getting the murderers out.
	Do you see life as the very start?
	Like conception.
	From conception, from conception.
	Then why aren't more Planned Parenthoods?
	You see life.
	You have to.
	Why aren't people getting arrested?
	You're using legislation as a tool for morality.
	If it's murder, then they should be getting arrested.
	Slavery was also legal.
	No, Listen.
	Listen.
	Doesn't make sense.
	What is a murder?
	A murder is an unjustified killing.
	That's what a murder is, right?
	So in this particular case, I'm going to leave.
	I can't, I can't with this.
	I'm going to.
	I think it's something that's not going to be a good idea.
	I think I'm going to have my time in the medical field.
	Out you go.
	You can bring your friend too.
	Just we don't need the media.
	You don't need to say anything else.
	Just leave.
	Just leave.
	Thank you guys for having me on the pod.
	I appreciate it and all the different stuff.
	I just, I can't with this.
	That's fine.
	Just that's fine.
	Just leave.
	It's a long drive.
	It's fine.
	Just get on the fucking thing, Nick.
	Just go.
	All right.
	Bye.
	No, dude, you gotta...
	That's not what I'm talking about, Nick.
	What are you doing?
	What are you talking about?
	I'm a little confused, Brad.
	What are you talking about?
	Bro, Nick, if we're doing a kickoff, you need to be on the keyboard.
	Okay, you got to be on the keyboard.
	I asked, oh, the keyboard?
	Do you know why?
	Yeah, okay.
	I know.
	Anyways.
	I was a little confused.
	I thought you wanted me to video, so then you're kind of not giving me the signal that I sleep.
	I know, but you've, never mind.
	We'll talk about it after the show.
	Anyways, that chick refused to talk about any issue.
	I mean, I think that's a good question.
	I guess she was super bad for me.
	What it kind of comes down from, coming from someone who was initially going into the medical field and everything like that, I feel like you kind of look at it more biologically, right?
	Absolutely.
	And obviously, there's a point when consciousness is formed.
	And, you know, I feel like there's a lot of things that have a potential for life.
	Each time someone engages in intercourse, right?
	That's the potential for life.
	You know, every single ovary, every single sperm cell, that's also the potential for life, right?
	And I think it comes to a point where something goes from a collection of cells to life.
	And I think there is a break between it.
	Hang on.
	You got to hear yourself.
	You're conflating life with consciousness.
	It is absolutely life when the sperm in the end.
	So there is a science.
	Scientifically, it's classified as life.
	So that is not really where the dispute is.
	The dispute usually comes in to I value sentience.
	So like maybe you probably don't value all life, right?
	You probably don't value bacterial infections, even though that might be alive.
	You don't value any of that, right?
	So you would get rid of all that.
	But you probably value something else that you consider human life.
	Maybe it's sentience, consciousness, something like that, right?
	Isn't that where it would be?
	Right.
	So what is sentience then?
	That's the question.
	What is it?
	I mean, sentience comes from, you know, being able to form thought.
	And, you know, like it's basically free will.
	That's, you know, what lives in.
	Sentience is free will?
	I mean, essentially, yeah, it's free thought, free will.
	Do you think a newborn has that?
	Yeah.
	It's basically the form of consciousness.
	What about a coma patient?
	Does a coma patient have free will?
	Or when you're sleeping.
	Yeah, but I mean, free thought and free will is like the ability to have that free thought and free will, right?
	Fetus will have that ability.
	Yeah, they will.
	Just as somebody like being in a coma, correct?
	They have that ability when they wake up.
	They're already a person.
	So then what you're actually saying is.
	A collection of cells, right?
	So if you make that statement.
	You are a collection of cells.
	There's an entailment.
	So there's an entailment here.
	The entailment is, if you make the statement that the coma patient, you value his life because he can have that experience, then you would have to value the life of the egg that's formed.
	I mean, right away, you would have to value the life.
	Yeah, the zygote because the potential for them to have the experience is the same.
	Yeah.
	I think, you know, like, not necessarily because, you know, that person in the coma, right?
	They have already, they're already a person, you know, capable of everything like that.
	But if they were born in a combat.
	Collection of cells, you know, like what you're, what you're talking about, right, is like, it's basically like every time some like dude like nuts in a napkin, you know, that's the sense of life itself.
	A human being has both, it has to have both gametes connect.
	Yeah.
	You can't, you have to have all 23 pairs of chromosomes.
	You can't just have half of that.
	That's that's a gamut.
	Not a zygote.
	A zygote is a human being.
	It's a potential the potential of life.
	It's not potential.
	It has all eight characteristics of life.
	Yeah, but the potentiality.
	It is a scientific fact.
	You cannot argue against that.
	As someone that's studied in medicine, you should know that.
	What are the eight characteristics of life?
	I can't name off the top of my head, but I promise you it obtains all eight characteristics.
	Reproduction, ability to reproduction.
	Ability to reproduce.
	Yes, ability to reproduce, ability to move, ability to breathe.
	No, no, that's wrong.
	Like, or like gases of some sort.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	I used to have them memorized.
	I used to have them memorized, but I promise you it obtains.
	So this is like my subject.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Okay.
	Anyways, yeah, I think it's murder, and I think it should be illegal and people should be arrested.
	It should be considered.
	Also, to make a point on this, I saw in the news that Peru recently made abortion illegal and they're giving fetuses constitutional rights as a result of this, or they're making it illegal because they've given fetuses constitutional rights.
	You know, one of the weird things about living in America, our Constitution and all of our rights that Andrew believes are fake, you know, it's like America was founded to secure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all Americans.
	But why don't we, why do we not secure the right to life for fetuses in America?
	It doesn't make any sense.
	Like, I believe every unborn child has the right to life in America, and that's what this nation was founded for.
	Yes.
	And I mean, in our history, as she was trying to say, like, legislation somehow makes some kind of morality.
	And it's like, in history, as humans, we've taken away human rights from countless amount of people.
	And we look back on that and we say, what the heck were we thinking, right?
	And the same thing goes for a fetus, embryo, zygote, whatever you want to call it.
	It's just a different stage in human development.
	It's a human life, period.
	Yeah, God willing, like, I pray that a day will come where we will look back on this era with over 60 million unborn children killed in the womb and we will be like, what the hell will we do?
	Why do you want to control women's bodies?
	I want to save the babies' bodies, bro.
	Because you're a pussy.
	I do want to say something, though.
	You brought up Peru, right?
	My actual, my friend.
	I brought up what?
	My best friend?
	Peru.
	Peru.
	My best friend of four years, she's from there, right?
	And one thing, you know, like we've actually talked about.
	So one thing that's actually really dangerous over in Peru, right, is there's so many, there's so many, you know, like essays.
	You know, there's a lot of people, a lot of women, you know.
	Do you know what the actual number is?
	No idea, but this is from her personal experience.
	This is from what she's told me, you know, what she's seen over there.
	And I think one thing that we do have to look at is it's like, even with taking away, you know, the right to abortion, people are still going to go and get them, right?
	People are still going to go out of their way and then they're going to damage themselves.
	And they're actually the third leading rate, the third leading death for maternal deaths, right?
	Is unsafe abortions.
	In Peru?
	No.
	Especially just make homicide legal because it's still going to happen.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, this is like allowing people the decision.
	You know, nobody should have the decision to kill another innocent human being, period.
	So if a little, I know this is like a cliche type topic, but if a little girl is raped by a family member and is impregnated.
	Oh, sounds like a lot of fun.
	Do you know what percentage of abortions come from that?
	In America.
	No uterus, no opinion.
	I mean, well, I have a uterus.
	So I hear you.
	Andrew Wilson does not, no opinion.
	I hear what you're saying.
	You know, it's, it sounds like this is fine.
	This is an argument that people commonly raise, which is, okay, if you make abortion illegal, then you will force women in those positions to get them by other means, which are often dangerous and endanger the lives of the women that are getting them.
	I totally understand that argument.
	What I would also say to that is that women who legally get abortions also endanger their lives.
	There are many women who have died from abortions in abortion clinics.
	On top of that, I think any woman that gets SA'd and becomes pregnant as a result of that, that's a very sad thing.
	But to her point, I don't think just because one bad thing happened to you, I don't think that justifies then murdering that unborn child.
	I also am a firm believer in the state.
	It's just a clump of cells, Chase.
	I'm a firm believer.
	Well, it's actually just a clump of cells.
	That's the thing.
	It's super weird.
	If I may add a couple more points, I'm a firm believer in the state making adoption services more affordable for people, right?
	Like, I've raised this on previous episodes.
	Here in America, for example, it's insanely expensive to adopt a child.
	And we print billions, hundreds of billions, trillions of dollars.
	I don't know if it's trillions that we give in foreign aid to other countries, but here in America, we give tons of money to all of these other countries.
	I think a lot of that money should instead be put towards subsidizing the adoption of the children.
	Did somebody sit down?
	One thing I really want to ask is that what are your beliefs when it's in concern of the, you know, like threatening the life of the mother or the fetus has very, very severe birth defects upon birth.
	But this is a problem with this argument, right?
	It's like, let's just, for the sake of argument, grant it.
	Okay, if it's going to threaten the mother's life, fine.
	If it's incest, fine.
	Like, whatever the qualifiers are, the vast, overwhelming majority of abortions have nothing to do with those qualifiers.
	So I feel like let's start with the vast, overwhelming majority of them, and then we can move on to kind of whatever the outliers are.
	Last I saw, roughly 95% of abortions are what are called abortions of convenience.
	97 elective.
	Okay, is that that's the statistic according to Gutmacher Institute that Planned Parenthood uses for their statistics?
	Okay, so if it's 97, let's break this down for a moment.
	That means 97% of abortions are abortions that women are getting because it is inconvenient for them to keep the child.
	They didn't plan the pregnancy.
	They don't want the kid.
	Maybe they feel they can't afford it, so on and so forth.
	Which tells me women are making bad decisions with who they are letting come inside of them, and then they are killing their children as a result of it because they don't want to bear the consequences of their decisions.
	Here in America, less than 1% of abortions are due to rape.
	I have great compassion for women that experience that.
	And I can't even imagine how painful it would be.
	Sorry for using that word, to be SA'd and then to feel like you have to get an abortion after the fact.
	I can't imagine how painful that would be.
	But to his point, the overwhelming majority are women who are making terrible decisions with who they are allowing into their bodies.
	And then they're just killing their children because they don't want to bear the consequences of their actions.
	Yeah, like, let's just say for a second that we just hypothetically grant this to you.
	We just agree.
	We're like, all of those outlier cases, fine.
	They should have been able to do it.
	Can you give us the justification for why all of the vast majority of the others shouldn't?
	That's the question.
	So like I said, you know, like just my personal standpoint on it is, you know, like that until that point of consciousness is reached, like it's only potential for life 24 weeks.
	24 weeks?
	It's not arguable when life begins.
	It's not an argument.
	I mean, that's basically, you know, the start of like consciousness.
	That's the ability to, you know, kind of like feel, feel like pain.
	That's kind of like the start of the nervous system.
	Yeah, but this is, again, I hate to ask this, but I actually need it clarified.
	Yeah.
	I still don't understand what you think sentience or consciousness is.
	Well, she was just clarifying like the ability to feel pain and physical consciousness.
	There's neurological disorders that prevent it.
	So for instance, that doesn't make sense because you can feel pain long before 24 weeks, right?
	Long before 24 weeks.
	So that can't be what you're referring to.
	So what are you referring to as sentience?
	It's the development into a person where I see that kind of breach, right?
	Yeah, what is the thing that is the breach?
	Like I said, 24 weeks is the development towards consciousness and it's the development.
	Towards consciousness?
	Yeah, well, I mean, around 24 weeks, there's...
	Yeah, but I'm asking what that quality is.
	He's asking how do you define consciousness?
	Like, so for, if you said, if you said to me, it's when the foot, the foot is developed.
	I'd be like, what's the foot?
	You say it's this part here.
	What is sentience?
	You keep on, you say that that's your value, sentience consciousness.
	What is that?
	It's, it's, like I said, you know, basically the ability for pain is basically, you know, like the start of like the nervous system.
	I know we're going to agree separately on this, but it's like just for me.
	Yeah, but you can feel pain or you can have a nervous system before consciousness.
	I feel like you do have an outward kind of look upon life because, you know, going, like I said, into the medical field, you go through, you literally dissect human beings, cadavers.
	You go through the entire system.
	You see how people are built up.
	You see how everything kind of starts, right?
	And it's like, you know, throughout, like, there's, like, life and death, right?
	And there's, like, well.
	Hmm.
	I'm sorry, I'm not laughing at this at all.
	Can we please continue?
	I'm just laughing.
	There's life and death.
	You dissect cadavers, you can see the development of it.
	There's life and death.
	Do you want to continue with it or did you lose your train of thought?
	I got a degree in nursing and I can definitely assure you life begins at conception.
	And I'm not saying that I am the person that determined that.
	I'm just saying all scientific textbooks will tell you the same thing, that a fetus obtains, or a zygote, all eight characteristics of life.
	If it's a life, what kind of life is it?
	It's a human life, obviously.
	A human being.
	As the baby is a result of sexism, the result of a man's seed.
	Why do we allow women to be the sole decision-making power to end that life?
	The regret of the mother should not be the sole factor.
	Another privilege as a woman that you should not have.
	You should not allow women to be the sole decision-making power to end a baby's life.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	It's getting late.
	I think we should wrap up here pretty soon.
	Final thought from anybody before I wrap up?
	I got some final thoughts.
	I would like to pose the question, what is life?
	And then it's going to be different for everybody, right?
	The definition of life is when we have everything from the tree.
	You pull the membership.
	Where do we put the, you know, on the value of everything?
	What are you doing with it?
	Sorry.
	Human life deserves human rights, period.
	And life is determined by biology.
	And biology tells us that a zygote has all eight characteristics of life.
	Therefore, it is a life.
	A human being is two human gametes don't make anything else besides a human.
	Yes.
	Is a tree a seed though?
	No, it's a different development.
	No, let me answer a question.
	Let me answer a question.
	No, it is a different development.
	It's the same thing, though.
	It's the same thing, right?
	A seed grows into a tree, right?
	Seeds grow into trees.
	It's grown to trees.
	But it is still the same species.
	It is still the same tree.
	That seed ended up being that tree.
	Correcting the tree.
	Correct?
	That doesn't mean that it's a developmental stage.
	Same thing with saying an infant is an adult and an adult isn't an elder.
	It's the exact same concept.
	Do you believe death is wrong no matter what?
	Like murder is wrong no matter what?
	No, absolutely.
	I think there are sometimes justifications for death.
	Like if somebody's threatening me, if somebody's threatening me, right?
	Or if they're threatening you, you have the right to defend yourself.
	But a fetus, zygote, embryo has done nothing to you.
	They are innocent.
	They are an innocent human being.
	Hence why I keep saying innocent.
	And is 97% of the time created by consensual decisions made by consensual adults who don't want to deal with that?
	Yep.
	Elective abortions make up 97%.
	So if I were to offer you legislation, just curious, that said, you know what?
	We're going to outlaw all 97% of abortions, but we'll make exceptions for those for rape.
	I didn't finish it.
	I didn't finish it for the R word.
	And in whatever, and Health of the Mother.
	Would you agree to that?
	I think honestly, between me and you guys, I think there's just a divergence in belief.
	No, but I want to know, like, it's a yes or no question.
	Would you agree to that legislation?
	Oh, sorry, I was explaining my point.
	Anyway, I think there's definitely like a divergence and what we kind of believe life is, right?
	You know, I believe more it starts at 24 weeks, and we definitely do.
	I mean, it's a yes or no question.
	Agreement.
	Yeah, I was getting to know, but.
	Okay, to know, exactly.
	So why do you bring it up?
	What?
	So why do you bring it up?
	It's trying to justify the other 97%.
	Wait, what are you talking about?
	You're trying to use outliers, like the R word and health of the mother, right, as outliers to justify 97% of cases.
	So I'm saying if I offered you legislation, if I offered you legislation, would you accept it?
	And the answer is no.
	So why do you bring it up?
	I asked you guys a question concerning when you believe abortion is right, correct?
	And I was getting your opinion on that.
	Never did I justify that.
	I mean, obviously, I think abortion, there definitely needs to be instances where it is legal, no matter what anybody's opinion is, right?
	But do you, okay, so I understand that's your position, but what she's asking is the other 97% that don't apply to the conditions that you're describing.
	Do you feel like that's morally wrong for those, that 97% of women to be getting abortions for decisions they chose to make?
	I mean, personally, you know, like what I already explained, you know, how I see life or whatever, like that.
	So you feel like if it's below that threshold, it's not wrong?
	I mean, like, what somebody does is, you know, like their personal choice.
	And as I said, you know, if those options like aren't available, they're already going to try it, you know, like anyway.
	And I think that's all it's just legal homicide.
	Well, I mean, war.
	What about war?
	What do you think is different?
	Like I said, if someone is threatening you and if somebody is threatening you bodily harm, you have the right to defend yourself.
	I'm not saying all war is justified, though.
	Just to clarify.
	More?
	But I mean, a lot of the time war is not justified.
	Well, that's the point.
	So if it's not justified, then it would be murder.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, I think we can actually agree on that one.
	All right, I got a couple closing thoughts.
	Jesus Christ is Lord.
	Amen.
	He came to the earth.
	He lived, died, resurrected from the dead, ascended to heaven.
	He's freaking coming back, too.
	At some point in time, I don't know when that is.
	It seems like it's going to be soon.
	He died for all of our sins, including you guys.
	I hope you guys come to know Jesus Christ and find salvation in him because he offers you eternal life.
	And what we have, however many listeners that are going to listen to this, believe that.
	It's the truth.
	Read the book More Than a Carpenter by Josh McDowell.
	Make the decision for yourself who you believe Jesus Christ is because everybody has to answer that question.
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	Okay, let me just double check, make sure we got all the chats.
	I don't want to miss any.
	Did you say any closing thoughts?
	Do you have any?
	It's got to be quick.
	I need to wrap like ASAP.
	Yeah, you should definitely come see me at the Crucible Andrew Wilson.
	Check out his channel, guys.
	Check out his channel.
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