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30,000+ Body Count?! Should Men Marry PRØSTITUTES? | Dating Talk #100 💯

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast.
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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	My name is Wendy.
	I'm 19 and I do catering and student too, right?
	Student, yeah.
	Okay, what are you studying?
	Criminal justice.
	Okay, do you want to go into law enforcement?
	Do you want to be a lawyer?
	Yeah, I want to go into law enforcement.
	Okay, like police officer.
	FBI.
	FBI.
	Okay.
	Federal Bureau of Investigation.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Watch out, guys.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I'm Caitlin Perry.
	I'm 18 years old, and then I'm a server.
	Surfer?
	A server.
	Oh, I thought you were going to be a surprise.
	I wish.
	Rock and roll.
	Okay, and are you also a student?
	No, I'm taking a gap year this year.
	Taking a gap here?
	Okay, gotcha.
	When you go back, do you know what you'll be studying?
	Most likely business.
	Okay.
	I feel like it's just common.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	My name is Atlas, and I'm a nursing student, and I do OnlyFans.
	Age?
	Oh, 55.
	You're 55 years old?
	She's not 55.
	67.
	No, what's your actual age?
	30, 25.
	Are you just going to troll, or what's going on?
	Can you give us a real age?
	I was going to have people try to guess.
	Is that okay?
	Can you boost the audio a little bit, Nick?
	It seems quiet.
	Is it not okay?
	I want to be respectful.
	Can you?
	I'd like to know how old it is.
	Are you actually?
	Yeah.
	Surprising.
	Okay.
	Thank you for wasting 20 seconds on the show's time.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, I'm Gigi Dior.
	I'm 41, and I'm an adult film star.
	All right, welcome.
	Thanks.
	I'm Annie Lobert, and I'm a nonprofit, owner and founder of Hookers for Jesus.
	And we help people that are drowning in the waters of sex trafficking.
	Is that too?
	You said you guys help people that's the TOS.
	Let's not S trafficking.
	Let's use that.
	Yo, FTG, thank you very much for the memberships.
	And I'm 55.
	55, okay.
	You guys help people get out of that industry.
	Nice.
	God bless you guys for that.
	I'm Air Force Amy and I'm a world-famous legal prostitute.
	I'm working at the world-famous Bunny Ranch and I'm 55 plus.
	Okay, there you go.
	There you go.
	Welcome.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	My name is Trendelina.
	I'm 24 and I do data.
	I'm just data analysts.
	Okay.
	Oh, and I have a school in Cambodia.
	In where?
	A school where?
	In Cambodia.
	Cambodia?
	Yes.
	What's your school in Cambodia?
	It's just a school that's in a village.
	It's a bit too far for the kids to access it.
	Nick, put it over to start, please.
	So, yeah, we just opened a school there with a few people.
	That's awesome.
	It's lovely.
	Awesome.
	Hi, I'm Amy Dangerfield.
	I'm 28 years old.
	I've been in the high-ticket sales industry my whole life, but I'm taking a little bit of a break right now.
	Right on.
	My name is Chase, 28 years old, professional photographer and brand consultant.
	My name's Andrew Golden.
	I'm 23.
	I'm an electrician.
	I play a little bit guitar and sing as well.
	Full-time electrician, part-time GigaChad?
	Sure.
	And so you guys might recognize Andrew.
	We're going to pull up the clip here.
	Nick, if you're able to pull up that clip, I should have it pulled up.
	Let's just say he's a GigaChad.
	Yeah, we could go ahead and go ahead.
	Maybe you've seen it.
	Alright, there's the clip.
	That's...
	That's the man, the myth, the legend himself.
	Yeah, if I may just say as well, I saw that clip last year for the first time.
	I saw it again this year.
	I posted it to my Instagram because I think it's absolutely awesome, and I'm stoked to be here on a podcast with you.
	All right, bro.
	Good to be here.
	What was the story behind the clip?
	Where were you?
	Like, what's the story there?
	It's really not much of a story.
	It's just a random act of God, pretty much.
	I'm a Christian.
	We do evangelism out at the bars, preach the gospel, talk to people about Christ, pass out gospel tracks, which is just a little piece of paper that has the gospel written on it.
	And so we were walking down to a bar called Handlebar and just a random interaction, like I said, hand him the gospel track.
	He asked me that question.
	He's got a camera in his hand.
	And there you have it.
	It blew up.
	So I got a question.
	That clip has gone insanely viral across the internet.
	So many people that I know have reposted it.
	What, in your experience, has the reception been to that clip?
	How have people responded?
	It's been actually very positive.
	I've looked at a few posts where people have been negative about it, but the female attention has been ridiculous.
	I can tell you that much.
	Have you had chicks sliding into your DMs like Mary Me?
	Yeah.
	Mainly Brazilian, actually.
	Why do you think mainly Brazilians?
	I don't know.
	There was a Portuguese version that got like, you know, that one blew up more than the others.
	So I don't know.
	Do you like Brazilian women?
	Sure, but they're too far away.
	Oh, okay.
	And you're from where?
	Where are you from?
	Houston, Houston, Texas.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And that's where you grew up, and that's where you still live?
	I still live there.
	Gotcha.
	And so it was outside of some bar district.
	Yeah, this was Houston.
	Yeah, this was on Washington Avenue and there's a bunch of bars out there.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Did you guys have success bringing people to Jesus that night?
	That night was so long ago, bro.
	Like I said, it wasn't a significant night, but maybe, you know, the word goes out and God uses that word to soften some hearts or harden other hearts.
	So you never know what he's going to do with his word.
	Yes, he does.
	All right.
	Rock and roll.
	Okay, so we're gonna go around the table once more.
	What is your current relationship status?
	So, are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule, sex cult?
	I'm trying to think what other kind of dynamics people are involved in these days.
	You have a harem, I guess.
	So, if you're single, how long have you been single?
	And also, what's your longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I'm single.
	I've been single for three months.
	Three months.
	What was the last question?
	Oh, longest relationship.
	Oh, my longest relationship was four years.
	Four years, gotcha.
	So it's like a high school relationship, basically.
	Yeah, basically, yeah.
	Gotcha.
	Why did four-year relationship, why did it end?
	Why'd he dump you?
	I dumped him.
	Oh, okay, excuse me.
	My bad, my bad.
	Okay.
	Why did you dump him after four years?
	Because he kept cheating, so sorry to hear that.
	Damn.
	Kept cheating.
	So you found out one time.
	I've been finding out, yeah.
	But you forgave him, but he kept to doing it.
	How long did he keep it up for before you broke it off?
	The whole four years.
	About three years?
	Are you serious?
	Yeah.
	So you found out like a year into it and he just kept doing it for three years?
	I found out like the second year and then the third year he did it again.
	So that's when I'm like, I was living with him.
	So I just like literally called him my uncle.
	I'm like, I packed up everything one day.
	I packed up everything one day and I just left.
	Wait, hold on.
	You were living with him and you called him your uncle?
	No, I said my uncle.
	I called my uncle to come for this truck.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no, no.
	No, your uncle.
	I was like, is that illegal?
	No, no.
	But you were living with your boyfriend during high school.
	Okay, gotcha.
	How did that come to be?
	Did you run away from home?
	No.
	I left home because it was just like separate things that was going on there.
	And then I just couldn't do it.
	Like, I did the same thing I did to him.
	I just packed up my things and I just left.
	How many times did you catch him cheating?
	I only...
	Hold on, let's do something.
	Like, three times?
	Three times?
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Sorry to hear that.
	Did you ever cheat on him?
	or you were always loyal?
	I was loyal until...
	Stop the cat.
	Oh, whoops, okay.
	Until what?
	I found out the second time.
	fooled around no after that like i think like the third year we just stopped talking to each other but we still lived in the same house so it was weird but that's super weird Yeah, it was weird.
	And then, no, and then we started talking to each other again, and then I just couldn't take it no more, so I just left.
	Wow, wait, so how long were you living together for?
	The whole relationship?
	Three years?
	Three years, yeah.
	Okay.
	So when he would cheat on you, would he bring women together?
	No, he was always gone during the weekends, yeah.
	Okay, I see.
	I always thought I was like, because he was with his friends, but I was like, I was a naive.
	Yeah.
	So when you would get, I guess, revenge on him, would you bring the, like if you cheated, would you go to the guy's house or would you bring him back to your place?
	I'll go to a guy's house.
	Okay, all right.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Well, what about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for six months and then my longest relationship was three and a half years.
	Okay.
	Also, high school, why did that end?
	Why did he dump you?
	I dumped him.
	Kind of similar, but he cheated on me a lot of times.
	A lot of times?
	Oh, like probably over 30 times.
	And then, oh, he had three different relationships while with me.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	How'd that feel?
	Not great.
	I guess the question for both of you, why did you stay with them after not just one, two, but multiple times they've cheated on you?
	Because that was dumb.
	No, don't say that.
	Was he just like Giga Chad, like super attractive?
	Oh, no.
	No.
	Mine was ugly.
	Mine too.
	What?
	Mine was even short.
	I know you're rude.
	I will be rude.
	Mine was ugly.
	Oh, wow.
	Me too.
	And I shouldn't know.
	Were they just funny?
	Is that what you could personally?
	I just have daddy issues, I guess.
	I just felt the need to have company all the time.
	I think I just needed to leave it.
	Was it the comfort?
	Like, sometimes it's more comfortable being in a relationship than even if it's not the best relationship than breaking up, going through the heartbreak, being single.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Exactly.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And you've both been, you've been single for three months.
	You've been singles for six months.
	You both.
	Do you guys live in this area or do you live?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm born and raised in Santa Barbara.
	Oh, you're from Santa Barbara.
	Are you from Santa Barbara too?
	I'm from San Diego, but I moved here like three weeks ago.
	Maybe a month.
	All right.
	Welcome, welcome.
	Well, I've heard from some of the college girls that they're not fans of the college men.
	Is that no?
	Don't like them?
	Why not?
	Why not?
	They're groupies.
	They're groupies.
	I mean, like, they be.
	I don't know.
	Like, they see you with your homegirls, and then the next party they try to be with one of your homegirls, you know?
	And it's like girl code, you know?
	It's like, I don't know.
	Okay.
	They're for the streets.
	Yeah.
	For the streets.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Did you have any thoughts on the college boys you've met so far?
	Or like them, dislike them?
	I just don't really care.
	Indifference.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	They're like, whatever.
	You're going to become a nun?
	Oh, no.
	I just said they're like, whatever.
	They're like, whatever.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	All right, sure.
	What about you?
	Single, and my longest relationship was seven years.
	All right.
	Seven years.
	How long have you been single for?
	A year.
	One year.
	Okay.
	Why'd it end?
	The last one?
	Yeah.
	Or the seven-year relationship?
	The seven-year one, you would have to ask him.
	Were you married?
	No.
	Okay.
	Wait, you said you would have to ask him.
	Do you not know why he just ghosted you?
	No.
	Gosh, I wouldn't even know where to start.
	He actually broke up with me like two months before he got out of prison or before he got out of prison.
	But.
	Wait.
	What was he in prison for?
	What was he not in prison for?
	Did he kill anyone?
	No.
	I guess that's what he wasn't in prison for.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so you were dating him while he was in prison.
	Did you meet him on the outside or you like it was a pen pal thing, you started sending him letters.
	Next thing you know, you're doing conjugal visits and see Quinton.
	That was my question.
	Okay.
	No, actually, we were best friends as adolescents and we started dating after high school.
	Okay.
	How long into that did he go to prison for?
	Like, how long had you guys been dating before he went to prison?
	Oh, many years.
	We were kind of off and on, though, but I didn't really see other people.
	He didn't date other people, but we would break up and get back together all the time.
	It was really not healthy.
	Sounds like a good relationship to move on from.
	Good for you.
	A lot of jacked-up relationships around here so far.
	Welcome to California, bro.
	California, welcome to California.
	Wait, so okay, he was, how long was his prison term?
	It wasn't very long.
	It was like 18 months.
	Okay.
	Might have gotten out at 16 months.
	I don't quite remember.
	Okay.
	I think he just wanted to get back to the streets.
	You mean romantically or for romantically and criminally?
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, because he knew that I kind of typically steer him in a better direction and he did not want to do better for himself.
	He's back there now.
	Oh, he's back in again.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Okay, wow.
	All right.
	Bullet dodge there.
	Your eyes kind of lit up when I asked you why the last one ended.
	Why did the last one end?
	Oh, my God.
	I was just trying to avoid prison misdirection.
	I don't even want to count that as a relationship because it was one month, so I don't know if that even counts.
	Does that count?
	Well, it sounds like it ended in a train wreck.
	What's the story?
	Yeah, what's the story?
	It went like a million miles an hour, which was the first mistake.
	He moved in, which I kind of didn't want, but I did let it happen.
	And then he lost his job right away.
	He sat in front of a computer all day, played video games, was a little bit messy, didn't want to do anything like quality time-wise.
	Like I made bids and he didn't take them.
	And he went out all the time with his friends, but he had no money to do that.
	So I was just like, priorities.
	Why'd you keep him around?
	I didn't.
	I was trying to think of how to get out of it.
	Wait, but so you said it was only one month?
	Yeah.
	But at what point did he move in with you?
	Immediately?
	He moved in pretty quickly, and I let him.
	What's pretty quickly?
	Oh, I haven't.
	I need to adjust the TTS.
	I don't know.
	Yo, yo.
	I'm going to give it to you straight.
	I'm looking for a diamond in a mud pile.
	Come with me overseas.
	I'll fly you out first class.
	Sweden, Iceland, Denmark.
	You pick.
	I'll save your soul.
	I think he wants it.
	What up, Mike Davis?
	Good to hear from you, bro.
	Thank you for the offer.
	I already found my diamond in the rough.
	Appreciate it there, bro.
	All right.
	Thank you, Mike Davis.
	Good to hear from you.
	Guys, just TTS is, I must have made a mistake with the TTS heading.
	It's 199 and up.
	But that one came through.
	So thank you, Mike Davis.
	So he moved in right away?
	Yeah, how fast?
	What are we talking here?
	Oh, my God.
	Like, okay, first date, second date he moves in type of thing?
	Not necessarily.
	So within two weeks of making it official, he was moved in, but it was because he was getting another job where he was going to be traveling for work.
	And so I was like, he's just going to leave his stuff here.
	He's going to be gone for six months, and we're going to have a long distance relationship and we're going to be able to take it slow in that sense and really get to know each other.
	But he was back from that job within like one week, like quit it or was fired.
	I'm not sure.
	And so then he was boomed just there in my apartment.
	How long did he just hang around your apartment like a couch potato before you kicked him out?
	Like two weeks and I didn't kick him out.
	I just complained enough that he freaked out and packed his stuff.
	Nagged.
	You just nagged him to death and then he quit?
	Yeah.
	Wait, so did you know him before you ended up in a relationship?
	Yeah.
	But not very well.
	Not like we were friends forever, like my one before that.
	How did they all meet?
	I met him through mutual friends in at a bar.
	So Gotcha.
	Gotcha.
	What about you?
	Divorced.
	Divorced.
	And the longest shy 20.
	So you're married for 20 years?
	17, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	We were together for several years prior to getting married, so we were close to 20.
	Okay, gotcha.
	You were together for 20 years.
	How long have you been single?
	Four years.
	Four years?
	Gotcha.
	And so you say you're divorced, but are you in a relationship with somebody or just proper single?
	Just proper single.
	Proper single.
	Have you had a rebound since the divorce?
	Yeah, I mean, I've dated.
	It's just messy.
	Like, it's not for me.
	Okay.
	It's like I'm very focused on like work kids.
	So I'm just going to be able to do that.
	Oh, you have kids?
	Yeah.
	One, two, three.
	Oh, four kids.
	All from the.
	All from my husband, yes.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Got it.
	Did you initiate the divorce or did you?
	Absolutely.
	Why?
	Yes.
	Why?
	A resounding yes.
	So during my last pregnancy, I found text messages that he had an affair.
	And then after and during the divorce, I found that there were 12 altogether.
	Wow.
	So, yes.
	Over what span of time?
	17 years.
	So, I mean, it's not like it's not 30 in a year, but it's, it's, I mean, you're married, you're committed.
	There's more than just like a relationship there.
	So you found out about all 12 at the same time?
	Yes.
	So during.
	did that feel uh that was um it was actually more um sorry Sorry.
	It was actually more freeing than it was when I first started the divorce because I thought maybe I was ending everything over one.
	So after I finalized everything during that time, we were all locked up, I went through and I found cell phones and that's when all the evidence actually came out.
	So it was very like, yes, I made the right decision.
	When you discovered that, did it like make sense?
	Yes.
	Everything, like you start to like replay everything in your head and you're like, okay, now when this person said this and that's not normal.
	And I would start to compare my relationship with other people and they're like, I've never heard that my husband has ever been in a car with somebody else or blah, blah, blah.
	And that was just my norm.
	So I justified it and I made excuses for it.
	And, you know, you do stupid things when you think you're in love.
	So, but yeah, it was, it hurt, of course, because you commit yourself to one person and you say that this is going to be forever.
	But I did my vows in front of God.
	And, you know, like, I felt I did it the right way.
	And you expect them to honor that commitment.
	Correct, exactly.
	And when that's not honored, it's definitely a kick to the gut.
	Yeah.
	But then seeing that I initiated the divorce and followed through with it after many times of him coming back and saying, I don't want, you know, please let's work it out.
	Let's work it out.
	Let's work it out.
	Finding that it was never, ever going to work, doing, I did the right thing.
	And showing my children that it's not okay to stick around no matter what.
	Like, you know, like, you can try and you can try and you can try, but at a certain point, you have to respect yourself enough to stand up and walk away.
	Yep.
	That makes sense.
	Good for you.
	Thank you.
	Could I ask you a question?
	Of course.
	Were you doing the adult entertainment for the duration of your marriage?
	So I did professional modeling during my entire marriage.
	I've done that since I was in high school.
	So we moved into the adult world after.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Was that like a way, was that like a vindictive thing?
	Like, all right, now I'm gonna shoot more.
	No, it was a survival thing.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Because, again, during the time where I found all the text messages and everything, we were all home.
	And being a single mom at the time, resources were extremely limited on different things.
	And the other businesses that I had were locked down.
	So I started webcamming.
	And so that's actually how it all started: just on webcaming and OnlyFans.
	And then it kind of progressed from there.
	So if I may ask.
	How do your kids feel about your profession?
	They are, I've been very open and upfront with them from day one.
	I felt that if this was the decision that I was making, they needed to hear it all from me.
	I didn't want them to hear from it at school or from their father or whatever.
	So I sat down.
	Most of them are very good with it.
	They're all good with it now.
	It took a little bit of talking and like, you know, open communication to get them all to understand the premise and, you know, kind of, I mean, obviously I'm age-appropriate.
	I'm not, you know, I tell, you know, a small kid, you know, obviously all of the details, but for the most part, they all know exactly where I go.
	Have they ever taken any heat for it at school?
	No, not that they've told me.
	I mean, I know that there was some stuff that was going around the adults at the school, but I think because of the small town that I'm from, the parents were all, for the most part, very respectful and didn't like, you know, pass it down.
	So they've all been very, you know, supportive.
	And the school wasn't at first, but, you know, closed minds sometimes, you know, just need a little bit of explanation.
	So, yeah.
	So.
	Okay.
	And what kinds of content are you making?
	Is it solo content?
	Is it with other women?
	Is it with other men?
	I do all of it.
	So I started as just the solo cam model.
	Webcam.
	Webcam.
	And then I started solo OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	And then I slowly progressed into Girl Girl.
	And then I had an agent call me about a year ago and ask me if I was interested in doing like mainstream films.
	Sure.
	So I've then since moved on to like studio films where like there's a producer and a director and everybody's fully tested and fully consensual.
	All right.
	Okay.
	If I could have you just slightly move your microphone that way just to perfect.
	Go ahead.
	What about you?
	I am in a current relationship.
	I am married 14 years now and we met in 2007 over the internet.
	And my husband is Osbox from the band Striper.
	It's a famous band from the 80s.
	Rock bands?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Rock metal.
	And they sing about like a hairband.
	They sing about Jesus.
	Oh, so based.
	They cross over on MTV.
	Striper?
	Yeah, they were famous on MTV in the 80s.
	Have you ever heard of the Chase?
	No, I haven't.
	I want to look them up after this, though.
	Check it out.
	He's got a new fan here.
	They're hardcore.
	They're 40 years together now.
	That's awesome.
	So he still performs?
	Yes.
	He's leaving actually in a couple days ago on another tour.
	Gotcha.
	So I'm happily married.
	Okay.
	Are you like his biggest fan?
	Maybe.
	He certainly thinks so.
	Do you have to fight off his other female friends?
	Sometimes.
	There's been several.
	I mean, when we first got engaged, he said to me, hey, I have this friend that used to come and watch me play at this other bar in California.
	And he would play with these sidebands when his band wasn't on tour.
	And I was like, oh, really?
	And I was at the Destiny House watching over the first Destiny House, which is a safe house for women that are trafficked.
	And I clicked him on the phone because I was pretty mad that he was going to have a former fan come down and visit.
	But then I decided I'm going to show up there, and when I see her, I'm going to show her the ring.
	So I was in the bathroom, and she was sitting there at the mirror, flipping her hair and with blonde hair.
	I didn't know who she was.
	She's like, oh my God, Oz Fox is here and he's so effing hot.
	I can't wait to just go up to him and hug him.
	And I got out of the stall and I said, excuse me, sweetheart.
	He's taken.
	And I showed her my ring.
	And she backed up immediately.
	And I basically had a threatening stance.
	So I kind of had my old self rise out of the grave a little bit.
	I almost got unsaved for a second.
	Sometimes you got to get heated.
	I had to confront her.
	Jesus made a quarter of whips, went into the temples, flipped.
	I mean, she understood.
	She was very clear that she understood that you need to not go flirt with my husband because I am now engaged.
	Wait, you said you got into your old self.
	What do you mean by your old self?
	How were you in your old self?
	So it's one of my alter egos.
	Her name is Fallon.
	Fallon?
	Yeah.
	You got an alter ego.
	Well, not anymore, but she's kind of buried right now, but sometimes she occasionally pops up when I get really mad.
	What was Fallon up to?
	What was she doing?
	Fallon was in the sex industry for about 11 years straight.
	I was an escort in Las Vegas and a stripper.
	Okay.
	So when you were Fallon, were you like beating people up?
	Because you sounded pretty ready to beat them.
	Well, I used to be a dominance mistress.
	No way.
	Whips and chains and leather.
	Were you like whipping like CEOs and stuff?
	Yes.
	They deserved it.
	Oh, wow.
	That's what they wanted.
	So, I mean, to me, working as a dominance mistress, Dominatrix, I enjoyed it way better than turning tricks because I didn't have to have sex.
	What was your clientele like?
	Was it like majority successful dudes?
	Because I've heard like really successful dudes love hiring Dominatrix escorts.
	I had a lot of, they call them regulars, and yes, they were CEOs, some of them.
	Some of them were lawyers, judges.
	Was it mostly like successful, high-powered men?
	Yes.
	Why do you think that is?
	I'm fascinated by that.
	You know, there was one that I remember that I felt super sorry for.
	He would come to the door dressed in drag.
	He would wear his mother's lipstick.
	I'm not kidding you.
	He had on nylons and a red dress.
	And then he would tell me it's time to be punished.
	So I would make him come to the door.
	And I know some of you might get disgusted with this.
	What was his job?
	He worked at a big law firm.
	Okay.
	Oh, he was an attorney.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Got that.
	And I would make him come to the door on his knees with the money in his teeth.
	And I wouldn't let him touch me ever.
	Then would you just like whip him and stuff?
	Or would you?
	Whatever he wanted.
	I mean, I never had to touch him with my hands.
	It was all tools.
	You know, Chase, I think to answer your question, my hypothesis is you have these hyper-successful men that have to be cutthroat in the business industry or their lawyers or whatever it is.
	And they're constantly having to be dominant in their professional life and in their personal life and perhaps in their sexual life.
	They want to relinquish the burden of having that sort of responsibility and just get fucking domed, I guess.
	That's my hypothesis.
	I'm going to just sum it up by calling it.
	He was abused by his mother.
	It could also, I guess, be abuse or something.
	She used to choke him with her pantyhose.
	It sounds really wicked, right?
	What?
	Good times.
	I feel like success, like in and of itself, would inherently produce those results.
	I feel like if somebody maybe comes from a background of trauma or they go through something like that and then maybe they are not properly equipped to deal with the success that they get or maybe it comes a little bit too fast or there's various other circumstances, maybe something like that would manifest.
	But I don't feel like that's an inherent symptom of success.
	No, but it perhaps it could in some individuals, perhaps who have some maybe no childhood anything or did whatever, it could that's what I've heard.
	I don't know.
	You had something?
	You had something?
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I saw like you're like it, I saw you on my TikTok feed.
	It was like you were showing around some guy like where like different, like escort spots like, and you're like, you're just saying like a bunch of like, where the spots were and where like, the guys like will often go where they were, sit at the bars yes yeah, in the big casinos, okay and so, but now you're not involved in that life.
	Uh, when did you start?
	I am involved in that?
	Well like, not not working, but saving people yeah, i'm helping people, uh and uh, when did you stop uh, escorting or officially stopped doing so?
	I got engaged, actually to one of my tricks, one of my regulars.
	In may of 1998 I quit the escort services but I had a lot, a lot of trauma and I ended up doing drugs that next year, doing cocaine, and then our business failed that we had together.
	We had an automotive business that was in Japan, here in the United States, and I was devastated because I figured I didn't make it as a call girl.
	I had two traffickers.
	The entire time I was a call girl.
	Almost I was renegating.
	Probably only one year out of that time I was working in the industry, so I never had anything good to show from it.
	I had a lot of heartache a lot of times.
	Where I got I can't say the word, but you can fill in the blank I got assaulted many times by the men that would purchase me and then the man that was taking all the money.
	So I had a broken heart and so at the very end I started escorting.
	At the very end the last year it was august 2nd 2003 I overdosed on cocaine and then I cried out to Jesus and i've never been back since.
	So it's been 20 years hallelujah, yeah.
	So what was that conversion experience like with God?
	Well, here's what's crazy, when I was a little girl, I went to church and I loved it.
	I remember getting cupcakes and candy and little suckers and I remember saying the prayer that I wanted Jesus to be living inside my heart.
	And I brought this cross home.
	It was a Lutheran church and it was a glow and dark cross and I remember putting it up to the light at night because I was afraid of monsters.
	It's funny because the world does have monsters nowadays right, real monsters and I fell away from the faith a little bit when I was eight years old because a next-door neighbor was abusing me I mean pretty bad and I kind of lost my way for a while.
	I confronted my father for his my father was an alcoholic and he was Taking pills and smoking and swearing, so I confronted about all of it as a little Christian little girl, going, Daddy, you have to stop.
	So I didn't want him to die.
	And so after that, he said, I'm taking you out of that school.
	It was called Trinity First Lutheran.
	And I ended up going back in the regular school system.
	And that's where I met one of my friends that eventually showed me my other friend that we went out to the bars.
	And eventually, as a teenager, I met our first set of pimps.
	So, and I also got assaulted by men throughout my teenage years and you know, since I was a little child.
	So it was a really, really hard life.
	If I may ask what happened when you cried out to Jesus after your overdose, what was that like?
	Well, at the time, I was probably dying.
	I had a heart attack.
	Wow.
	So the ambulance came, and I remember hanging on to the EMT's hand, and I was just like, I don't want to die.
	But my heart, I don't know if anyone's ever had a heart attack, but my heart, every beat that it was making, it was going so fast.
	Every single beat was like a stab of my heart.
	And it scared me so bad.
	I actually faded in and out of consciousness, but when I got to the hospital, the doctor told me I had so much drugs in my system that I should have been dead.
	And I had this piece come over me that I cannot describe.
	It's like the best piece.
	And the next couple weeks, I was filled with this, like, it's kind of like a lava lamp, how the wax gets hardened when you shut it off, but when you turn it on, it gets like all googly and hot.
	And it's like it filled my body with just this feeling of love, and I just wanted to love everybody.
	And God started healing my heart, and he's still healing me to this day because trauma lasts a lifetime.
	I'm not perfect, but I'm walking towards, you know.
	I know we have to keep the show moving, but I just want to say thank you for sharing that.
	You've had a hell of a life, and it's miraculous what God saved you from.
	Just one question.
	You said you married one of your tricks.
	Isn't tricks a derogatory term?
	Okay, I didn't marry one of my tricks.
	We actually got disengaged.
	I met my current husband on MySpace.
	Yeah.
	Different guy.
	Okay.
	Gosh.
	And I was a mother to his mother.
	Yeah, I was on MySpace.
	Such a throwback.
	I had my story on there.
	That's how I met him.
	I met him through my friend Heather Veach, and she was meeting with Kevin Max from DC Talk.
	You know that band, DC Talk?
	Oh, yeah.
	And Oz was meeting with Kevin that night because they were in town making music for the band.
	So he found my MySpace and read my story, and he was like, That's it.
	I want that girl.
	Like, she's for me.
	He didn't tell me that until later.
	But yeah, I think he fell in love with me pretty quickly.
	All right.
	Legit.
	What about you?
	That's a tough story to follow.
	That's a tough story to follow.
	So I'm single and I had the longest relationship I had was like a year and a half.
	And it was strange that I've never had a relationship my entire life until unlike most people, unlike most people, when everything closed down and a lot of people went to OnlyFans and went to that avenue.
	I actually went in the opposite direction and stopped doing what I was doing.
	I worked in the legal brothel industry for over 25 years and I stopped.
	And for the first time, I took a break and thought that it had been long enough, 10 months.
	And I said, well, wow, I could probably have a relationship because I never just saw, I never thought, I never saw how I could have one doing what I was doing.
	It just never equated.
	It just didn't make sense.
	So I went on match.com and I met a guy and I fell in love.
	When was this?
	This was a couple years ago when everything was shut down.
	Oh, okay, Match.
	I don't know if people use it.
	Well, I didn't know what else to do.
	You saw the commercials.
	I never dated or anything like that.
	I just always worked.
	So the 1.5-year relationship is the one that you're talking about that you met on match.com.
	But that ended.
	Yes, you're currently.
	I went back to work.
	Gotcha.
	But so throughout the whole course of your life, never a boyfriend.
	Never.
	What about like a short-term casual thing, you know, like three months?
	Two months.
	One client, and I had said that I said that I couldn't date, that I would have to immediately get engaged because I just didn't know how to date.
	I don't know how to date.
	You didn't know how to date?
	No.
	Do you think it was, was it because you found it hard to date because of the type of work you were involved in?
	But when did you, at what age did you start getting involved in escorting courtesan courtesan?
	I watched your show last week and one of my coworkers was on.
	Okay, so he said courtesan, and actually courtesan is a euphemism.
	I looked it up after I was actually wrong there.
	I thought it was like a courtesan.
	I was thinking like, okay, you're in the court of King Henry.
	Right.
	You're a lord or a lady.
	And you're trying to garner favor with the king.
	But it is, it is actually, I didn't know that.
	So I was wrong.
	But it is a term.
	I'm called a legal prostitute.
	Sure.
	Right.
	I mean, Wikipedia put a page up about me and I don't get to edit it.
	Okay, it's just there.
	It is what it is.
	I'm a legal prostitute.
	And I had a fight to put the term legal in front of it.
	I've been a legal prostitute for 30 years.
	Where do you work?
	The Bunny Ranch.
	Yeah, where is it?
	In Nevada.
	Is that per rump or waiting for that?
	No, no, there are certain counties in Nevada where prostitution is legal and it's only illegal within a legal brothel.
	And the county has to have less than 250,000 residents.
	Okay, so that rules out Clark County and Washoe County.
	So Reno in Las Vegas.
	No, no, no.
	So prostitution is absolutely illegal in Las Vegas and Reno.
	But in the outlying counties, in the very rural counties, in some counties, there are some brothels.
	Got it.
	So I work in Lyon County, where there are four brothels where on my ownership, we own Kit Kat, Sagebrush, Bunny Ranch, and Love Ranch.
	Oh, do you have equity in some of these?
	Skin and love, skin equity.
	Okay.
	Let's sweat tears and skin.
	Just because I mentioned that.
	I got a question.
	What's the proper term for one of your customers?
	Clients.
	A client.
	We're not allowed to call them T-R-I-C-Ks.
	We're in big trouble.
	What about John's?
	Is that illegal?
	Marks?
	That's a movie, isn't it?
	He was a John.
	I'm curious.
	Yeah, go for it.
	Go for it.
	If you had to estimate, how many clients would you guess that you've had over the years?
	I couldn't estimate.
	That's a common question.
	How many guys do you sleep with per day?
	And that's so unfair to women because with guys, it'll be like, how many girls have you slept with?
	And the more women you've slept with, it's like, oh, yeah, man, yeah, I've slept with 400 women in a day.
	You're the man.
	But a woman, if she slept with more than one man in her life, it's like, you're a whore.
	Go to hell.
	You know, you're, you know, you stayed.
	You know, so, yeah.
	And that's just society that's.
	I am more consistent in that area, by the way.
	Yes, I am as well.
	As we go to hell as well as women.
	Yes, yes, he's right.
	You know, and it's just some things that society has put on in some areas.
	You know, people are different.
	People operate in different areas in different arenas.
	So it's just this arena and this religion or this area says that's not cool, but this area operates in a totally, this other area operates in a completely, totally different arena, and they're absolutely happy.
	They treat people with respect and honor and love, and everybody's happy, and there's, you know, there's no meanness.
	At what age did you get involved with escorting?
	Very young, very young.
	I left home.
	There was incest in my family.
	Yes, there is a lot of women that do end up in my industry.
	So we do get judged quite unfairly.
	A large, huge percentage.
	Sex has been taken, has been devalued from the get-go, either in their family or from their neighbors or in school.
	When you say young, do you mean 18, 19?
	No, I'm talking six, seven, eight years old.
	Yeah, I've heard that super prevalent in the United States.
	No, no, no.
	I'm taught like when you started out.
	Started school.
	Okay, so yeah, six, seven, eight years old.
	We're talking grade school, panty shots for ice cream money, okay?
	Yeah.
	Let's maybe avoid that topic.
	Oh, yeah.
	I left home at the age of 13.
	And you started hitchhiking around the country.
	Was that when you began working?
	Yes.
	So they called that survival prostitution.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	And then you were very, very scary.
	You talked fear-based.
	That was very, you know, running underneath trucks and pockets getting cut out.
	And I mean, girls getting gaffed.
	And it was, I mean, terrifying.
	Were you absolutely terrified?
	Were there periods of any homelessness?
	No, yeah, you're hitchhiking around the country.
	You're going from truck to truck.
	The biggest, shiniest truck.
	What's next?
	You know, so this is what I mean this is how I heard about the brothels.
	So we're going cruising across Highway 80 and we're on the CBs back then.
	And this was way back when the trucker strike was going on.
	It was like CBs and CBs and Brinker Brigger 19.
	It was really like convoy.
	It was like, you know, it was pretty cool.
	But we heard on the CBs, I heard the girls from the Mustang ranch calling out to the truckers because there wasn't any kind of advertising.
	And I heard that, oh, yeah, this is a big palace and there's beautiful women.
	I'm like, oh, wow, the truck stops are scary.
	I want to go work there.
	I want to go there.
	You have to be 18 years old.
	I'm like, oh, man, that's not going to happen.
	So I'll just wait until I'm 18.
	In the meantime, I kept hitchhiking around the country.
	And then when I turned 18, I joined the military instead.
	Oh, wow.
	Which branch of the military?
	Air Force Amy.
	Air Force.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Dog.
	Dog.
	Air Force Amy.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So I was stationed at Nellis in Las Vegas, and I gave my superiors an ultimatum.
	I said, you either cross-trained me, give me a re-enlistment bonus, or I'm going to go down and work at the brothels.
	And then, you know, they didn't give me a re-enlistment bonus.
	So while you were in the Air Force, you were also working?
	No, I didn't get a re-enlistment bonus, so I went down to work at the chicken ranch, and then I've been working in the brothels ever since.
	So it's like a safe house.
	It is.
	For me, I would say I'm the exception to the rule.
	I'm kind of institutionalized.
	And at this point, it's become such a career for me.
	And I feel as though I'm in place because I have survived so many things.
	And I am an icon.
	And not an inspiration, but I help the girls.
	I think I'm here for a reason.
	And I'm not going to say that I'm as religious as you, but I am spiritual.
	And I do the next right thing.
	And I teach the girls by example to do the next right thing.
	We're honest.
	We're open.
	We're not judgmental.
	We follow as many commandments as we can.
	If I may.
	And you are inspirational.
	So I think you can actually absolutely put that into your success story.
	And we just try to do the next right thing.
	And we're preaching love and non-judgment, humility.
	You want to talk humility?
	Yeah.
	We're doing that.
	And we're God-fearing, Jesus, loving, American loving, God, country, and family.
	These girls have family.
	And we're just being, you know, we're trying to have a good client base and just have fun and treat people with kindness and respect.
	And a good hug, a good cuddle, a good feels good, man.
	You know, just some good human contact, some good human, just good love, care, and just feel good.
	Andrew, were you going to have something there?
	You know, when you say you love Jesus, Jesus was very clear.
	You could look at the story with the woman at the well who was sexually immoral and how Jesus approached her.
	He called out her sin and he called her to repent.
	Also, Jesus says, if you love me, you will keep my commandments.
	That doesn't mean you're going to be perfect.
	Nobody's saved by keeping the commandments, right?
	We all fall short every day.
	All of sin falling short of the glory of God.
	You're saved by faith in Christ.
	But that faith is a living faith.
	It causes you to repent and turn away from prostitution, any kind of sexual immorality.
	Sexual immorality goes as deep as Jesus said, if you look with lust, you've committed adultery in your heart, right?
	So it's not necessarily particular actions of immorality.
	Those are sin.
	But the problem is our heart, is our corrupt heart, our desires.
	So that's why Jesus said you have to have a new heart.
	You have to be born again, John chapter 3, in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.
	So, you know, I understand that it's offensive to say you need to repent.
	This is wrong, you know.
	But it's ultimately a message of love that comes to you.
	And, you know, I'm sitting here listening and I'm hearing a lot of broken relationships, a lot of broken, messed up lives, you know.
	But this is what Jesus came for.
	He came to, he came for the whores.
	He came for the prostitutes to save them and deliver them from their sin.
	If you call on him, you will be saved.
	But he requires repentance.
	And that's what salvation brings, is repentance, anyways.
	I appreciate your love.
	I do.
	I appreciate that.
	I honestly do.
	I appreciate your love.
	Thank you.
	I have a follow-up question to what he just said.
	Out of curiosity, if God offered you a path out of the industry, would you take it?
	If I could take everyone else that wanted to go with me.
	That's a loving answer.
	That's a loving answer.
	All right.
	Well, what about you?
	Go ahead.
	Chase, sorry, did you have a follow-up there?
	I would just, actually, this is a fantastic opportunity because I know there's a lot of people listening, especially from my audience.
	I would ask everybody that's watching, if you guys are believers, please pray in Jesus' name that God offers her and all of the women that work with her a path out of the industry.
	Please pray for that.
	Contact some church.
	In the meantime, can we have a lot of clients?
	Let's not pray for that.
	Actually, just really quick, really quick before you go.
	I have to read a couple chats here.
	These are below the threshold, but they came in before the show.
	And I think this is Costeen's.
	So we have Klaus von Goethe.
	Yo, thank you very much.
	Hey, Brian, good show the other day with Candace 60 Hunter.
	He's talking about World of Warcraft there.
	Thank you.
	Discuss, just kidding.
	Is the Hunter hardcore or is it on Classic Era?
	Hey, thank you so much, man.
	Good to see you.
	We also have another one from him.
	We have Klaus von Gogt with the 101 that's about to come up.
	I'd like to nominate Dr. Sidney Kiki Watson to the board of directors of Brian's 501c3 charitable organization, BLM.
	All in favor say yay, all opposed nay.
	And big labyrinth matter.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Klaus.
	I didn't mention it, but that's my non-profit.
	Anyways, I'm.
	Okay.
	We have, let's see, we have, oh, that's a trigger.
	Okay.
	Spartan Hoplite donated $200.
	Thanks, bro.
	Congrats on episode 100.
	Chase, stop being a pussy and co-host the show with Brian.
	He needs backup.
	Brian does his best, but is constantly outnumbered.
	It's true.
	This podcast is 300.
	Xerxes' hordes must be stopped.
	This is Sparta.
	No mercy.
	Ah, woo, wow, woo.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate that, bro.
	Thanks for the comment.
	Thank you, man.
	We have Mike Davis.
	Oh, sorry, this one already came through.
	My bad.
	My bad, Madman.
	Okay.
	And then, let me see.
	Okay, we're all caught up.
	What's your relationship situation like?
	I'm in a relationship.
	It's been one year and five months.
	And it's long distance at the moment.
	Yeah.
	That's your longest relationship?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, hey, FTG, thank you very much for the 50 gifted memberships.
	That's my sugar mama.
	So thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Just kidding.
	Not really.
	It's a little underwhelming, sorry, after all those stories.
	How long did you say it was?
	A year and a half, actually.
	Yeah.
	Wait, where are you from?
	Because you have an accent.
	Australia.
	But my family is Kosovan.
	Albanian.
	Albanian.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Okay, nice.
	Amy, what about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for four months.
	My longest relationship was four years.
	All right.
	Chase.
	I currently have a wonderful girlfriend.
	Been together three months.
	And my longest relationship was a year and a half, roughly.
	Okay.
	Currently single.
	Actually, never even had a serious girlfriend.
	You know, I've had some things here and there where we've almost had a serious relationship, but nothing's ever panned out yet.
	And not looking for any one-night stands.
	Definitely not.
	Looking for marriage 100%.
	Yeah, what about all these Brazilian chicks, dog?
	Not too far away, man.
	What if one flew to you?
	Would you be down?
	Sure.
	She came and visits.
	Can I ask her?
	I'm not going to pay for the flight.
	How are you looking for marriage?
	Like, what are your kind of techniques for something like that?
	Well, I'm trusting God 100%.
	I'm really not even looking for a wife very hard right now.
	I'm really just focused on the kingdom and defending the faith.
	And I know that ultimately, you know, God's going to bring the right one in my path.
	And as I continue to serve him and seek to, you know, grow as a man, grow into the image of Christ, he's going to bring me the right one.
	I'm not in a rush.
	You definitely don't want to rush this thing.
	And that's, I think that's where a lot of people get it wrong.
	They rush relationships.
	What does that look like to you?
	Like, what does the perfect woman?
	Yeah.
	Well, she has to love God.
	She has to, if she loves God, she's going to Really, if she's even if she had does have feminist tendencies, if she truly loves God, she's going to more conform to his word.
	And even if we have to argue a few things out, she doesn't have to be perfect.
	That's my point, right?
	She may have some problems there, but if I can work it out, then I'll stick with that kind of woman.
	But if she's not willing to change, then you know when you say change, what do you mean?
	Be more submissive.
	She has to be okay with being submitted to the husband, as the scriptures say.
	Modest, not promiscuous in her apparel, in her dress.
	She has to be attractive.
	I have to be attracted to her.
	That's really it.
	I'm a simple man.
	She's got to love God.
	She's got to look good.
	Yeah, let's go.
	So base.
	Okay, let's go.
	There you have it.
	Are they deal breakers?
	I don't really think so.
	I mean, I think I covered everything.
	If she's too much of a feminist, then yeah, that's a deal breaker.
	Yeah, about that.
	Like, some people say Jesus was like the first feminist to be a feminist.
	Absolutely not.
	He taught women how to read and empower them through like nothing wrong with women reading.
	I think women need to be highly.
	They need to be highly.
	Where did you hear he taught women how to read?
	Some people.
	Yeah.
	Where'd they hear that from?
	Probably other people.
	Yeah.
	Probably more.
	Yeah, probably.
	No, no, it wasn't from a feminist.
	I just think it's like religion as a whole is quite like educational.
	And so I feel like he gave people opportunity to read and to learn.
	And that's what they were pushing then.
	You know, I really wouldn't define feminism as empowering women to have education or read books.
	Feminism is more the idea of egalitarianism that men and women are equal.
	Now, men and women are equal in the sight of God.
	But other than that, we're pretty much unequal on every level.
	We think differently.
	We are built biologically differently.
	And so that results in societal differences and a different role to play in relationships.
	You know, we can't have the same role.
	God designed the man to be dominant and the woman to be his helper.
	Genesis.
	God made it.
	Yeah, I would say the best example of feminism in the Bible is when Eve led Adam to eat the fruit and caused mankind to fall.
	I'm not kidding.
	That's feminism in the Bible for you.
	You know, it's you know, it's interesting about that too is the early feminist writers explicitly wrote about how they worshipped Lucifer for liberating women from the patriarchy of Yahweh.
	I just, when I think of feminism, I think of like just equal opportunity, education.
	Everyone is treated fairly.
	I think understanding differences is a part of that as well.
	Ultimately, feminism is about liberating women.
	It was about pushing promiscuity to destroy the patriarchy.
	But the reality is, patriarchy is inevitable, you guys.
	You're going to have some guys at the top of this whole system.
	And even if a woman, she wants to be a career woman, right?
	She goes out, she becomes her own boss, a girl boss, CEO.
	She's still either going to be serving, well, she's not going to be serving the Heavenly Father.
	She's going to be serving the Father of Lies.
	She's going to be serving Satan.
	So you're going to be submitting to somebody else.
	Why did you actually say right?
	Can I say that we have a woman serving Satan?
	Is that what you mean?
	Yeah, okay.
	You may not be legitimately worshiping Satan, but if you're not following after Christ, you are worshiping Satan.
	Yeah, but isn't like part of Christ's service.
	So let's say her career is based around service and love.
	I mean, that's a good thing.
	That's a good thing.
	I'm really pushing back just because sometimes when we have these conversations, people can say their ideas and it's very generalized and it's not specific.
	And I kind of think the specifics are extremely important in understanding each other.
	I wanted to say something really quick.
	I'm a CEO and I've been my own CEO for years and I take care of these women and I don't think a man could do it because they're the ones who hurt them.
	And a man cannot be over that house and the safe houses we have because there would be too much temptation for other things to go on because what happens when they start going to church and they start being around men, they have a tendency to lean into them and try to start a relationship.
	So I'm in my right standing.
	So you said my husband lives.
	She should be CEOs.
	No, no, no.
	That's not what she's saying.
	She's saying her unique position is one that only she as a woman could fill.
	And I would also add to that, I would add to that.
	I would add the nuance in the conversation that you are very, very well serving God in the position that you're in, bringing women out of prostitution, wherever else they are.
	You're absolutely serving God in that position.
	And I would also agree that a man almost certainly couldn't do that same job in the way that you're doing because you are uniquely equipped to have compassion for them as a woman that's had the same experiences and stuff.
	What he's getting at, though, see, the thing about feminism is there's been different waves of feminism, right?
	Like at first it was about empowering women with like equal opportunities and stuff.
	You look at it today, a lot of the messaging coming out of feminism is that men are bad.
	The differences between the sexes are like social constructs and that like, you know, traditional ideas around masculinity and femininity are bad social constructs that are oppressive and patriarchal, right?
	And in that sense, that form of feminism is absolutely not compatible with God's word because God charges us as men to lead in our households, right?
	Like we're charged with leading in our households.
	We're charged with providing.
	We're also charged with loving our wives in a Christ-like fashion.
	But it does, the Bible does give men authority in that way over their household, but it does not give women in the same way.
	But that's not a bad thing.
	No, of course not.
	And like I see it happen in Kosovo as well.
	It's quite traditional still.
	But I just was a bit confused about the whole working and servicing.
	And so that's why I'm just asking.
	Proverbs 31 is where the ideal woman is, her characteristics are given.
	And she works hard.
	She does a lot of women.
	Yeah, I see it there as well.
	It's like they don't stop.
	So I'm not against a woman being a CEO, if that's how I came across.
	Also, but she should not be rejecting the family in favor of being a CEO, right?
	God designed them to raise and nurture children.
	Yeah, I think what he's getting at is a lot of women that, like nowadays, a lot of women that are working or in high-powered positions, because they're making a lot of money, they have authority in their careers, so on and so forth, they completely reject the leadership of the man in the home.
	Okay.
	Right?
	They view themselves on equal footing, or instead they will say, no, actually, I'm going to lead the family.
	And what does like the rejection look like?
	What do you mean reject the math?
	Yeah, so I'll give you an example.
	In my family, for example, when I was growing up, my mom and dad had tension in terms of who was leading the family in what direction.
	And there were times, you know, Andrew was talking about the concept of submission, right?
	This is the idea that when, you know, when you have a husband and a wife, the husband has the ultimate authority over the household.
	My mother, on a number of different things, didn't want to submit to my dad.
	One of the areas in which she did not want to was through financial decisions.
	My dad would say, we should live more within our means.
	My mom was like, no, we should take these riskier financial maneuvers so that we can make more of a profit.
	He would push back against it.
	She wouldn't listen.
	We got destroyed as a result of it financially in the 2008 housing crash.
	That was an example where my dad was trying to exert his leadership.
	My mom would not submit to it, and we got burned as a result.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, a question for Chase.
	If you're, when it comes to religion, when it comes to Christianity, and it comes to submissiveness, submission, isn't it the husband, is it the husband submits to God?
	Yes.
	And then the wife submits to the husband.
	Is that, I don't know if I'm phrasing it right now.
	No, that's correct.
	A woman, within Christianity, and I would say this for all women as well.
	Like, when it comes to the idea of submission, if I was a woman, I would only want to submit to a man if I knew that he was submitted to God.
	Within the red pill community, you have all these dudes that don't believe in God.
	They don't believe in Jesus.
	And they talk about, well, women need to be submissive.
	But then these same guys are running through tons of women outside of the relationship and they hurt their woman, right?
	That's not Christ-like leadership in a relationship.
	As a man, if I want to lead a woman and I want her to submit to me in marriage, I first have to do the job of being fully submitted to Christ, which means that I'm going to love her with compassion and mercy.
	I'm going to be submitted to God's word.
	I'm not going to be committing adultery outside of the relationship.
	Not going to be beating her, you know, all that kind of stuff.
	Like, that's the order.
	The man submits to God and the woman submits to the man.
	God, let's open it up to the panel here.
	So some of you kind of grimaced when it's Andrew, right?
	Yeah, Andrew, sorry.
	Mentioned, you know, he wants a woman who's submissive to him.
	Do you think that women should be submissive to their boyfriends, to their husbands, in relationships?
	Or are you more like, I'm more interested in a 50-50 dynamic?
	Let's start with you and we'll go around the table.
	Go ahead.
	What is a 50-50 dynamic?
	Like 50-50.
	You guys both have an equal bill on the first date.
	How else do you explain like 50-50?
	You guys, like, you both take care of the finances.
	You have an equal say in the decisions over the home, so on and so forth.
	before my four like during my four year um it was 50 50 but it was mostly me doing everything okay you were you were did you wear the pants and yeah i wore the pants was it Was it like 75-20 or 25?
	Like, it was, I was supporting a bum.
	Let's just say like that.
	While I was working with the job, I was like, I'm not sure what I'm doing.
	Oh, you were working and he was, what, just staying at home playing video games type of thing?
	Or like, we'll work for like a week and get tired of it.
	Oh, he was.
	Okay.
	And so you guys were living together, correct?
	Yeah.
	And you were paying most of the rent.
	Okay, so 50-50.
	And everything, yeah.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	Like, how old was he?
	Can I ask?
	Yeah, when I was...
	So I met him when I was 16.
	I met him when I was 16, and he was 17, turning 18.
	Okay, yeah.
	Romeo and Juliet, is that Romeo and Juliet?
	I don't know.
	No, that's fine.
	I was just expecting it to be like way older.
	Because I always see that kind of stuff happen.
	Okay.
	All right.
	She was anticipating, like, the dude was, like, mid-20s or something.
	Yeah, I know, but after that, it's, now, it's, like...
	You don't, you don't want that.
	You don't want to repeat that sort of relationship dynamic that you had with your ex-boyfriend.
	First day, I expect you to pay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Gotcha.
	Besides, like, paying on the first day, what would be an example where a woman should submit, be submissive in a relationship?
	Oh, I mean, there's like a million different things you could point to.
	If you're looking at a place to move, a place to send your kids in a relationship, if you're setting boundaries in a relationship, like if you're telling your woman, hey, like you can't go out to clubs all the time.
	You know, like.
	Yeah, what do you think?
	What do you guys think?
	That's a good one.
	I need to know how women are supposed to be submissive when there's not a lot of dominant men out there.
	In my experience, I think, and Chase, I think you've said this before.
	You shouldn't just submit to anybody.
	You should submit to the right type of guy.
	And Chase, I don't know if you have anything to add to that.
	Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
	That's a great question.
	Where are they?
	That's a great.
	Where are the dominant men?
	She's not wrong.
	Yeah.
	She's not wrong.
	Yeah, I did not come across any in my experience so far.
	So here's what I've noticed about women wanting to submit.
	The female impulse to submission is very natural when women feel like they can trust a man and they feel like his leadership is trustworthy and good and he's strong, right?
	If you feel that from a man, you're just going to be like, okay, like tell me what to do.
	Like, what should we do?
	Most of the time.
	Yeah.
	Unless you guys like, unless, unless there's something.
	That's the big word.
	Safety.
	Safe.
	Yeah.
	And like a lot of guys nowadays, especially, don't really know how to lead women.
	They don't know how to do it effectively.
	So if you meet a guy who doesn't know how to lead a woman and he's like, submit to me, you're going to be like, why?
	Like, your leadership isn't good.
	You don't know what you're doing.
	And then we get the backlash because they're like, whoa, well, nobody's listening.
	Well, I'm not just following you blindly.
	Like, you need to explain to me why this is important and why I'm doing this because I completely agree with her.
	Our society is weakening daily with the strength of men.
	Yes.
	And I feel that the reason that women are getting so much stronger is out of necessity.
	Well, that's part of it.
	Part of it, there's been a sociological push, especially in the past hundred years, to empower women as much as possible and to also tell women that they don't need men.
	So that's one part of the equation.
	The other part of the equation is that men have been demoralized and weakened by propaganda.
	There's an assault on our endocrine systems, right?
	So like a strong man, like when you see a strong man and you're like, that's a man that I respect, like he's a man who can lead.
	He probably has higher than average testosterone levels, right?
	This is the hormone that makes a man a man.
	If you remove this from a man's body, he's going to become weak.
	If he has enough of it, he's going to become strong.
	Male testosterone levels right now are half of what they were in our grandparents' generation.
	So you look around and you're like, yo, there's all these soy boys.
	The reality is, you're right.
	Biologically.
	Soy boys.
	Yeah, soy boys.
	Soy boys.
	Literally soy.
	All these things.
	Soy in and of itself.
	Yeah, it lowers a man's testosterone, right?
	So women have been elevated, told that they don't need men.
	The men have been weakened.
	And now there's women like you guys.
	You're looking around.
	You're like, where are all the strong men?
	Right?
	It's a frustrating spot to be in.
	I have a strong man.
	There's a lot of women.
	I said that they have testosterone now, too.
	It's an attack on both.
	Yes, there is absolutely an attack on both sexes, both on a biological level and also on a psychological level.
	But would you say it's more pronounced in men?
	Because, I mean, what I think you have happening is, like, the plastics that are in the water, like these microplastics and stuff, that causes estrogen or...
	So a lot of those are called xenoestrogens, right?
	So they're like synthetic hormones that fit into your hormone receptors.
	This is why a lot of women are reaching puberty earlier than they're supposed to.
	Like young women nowadays reach puberty way faster than they used to like 50 years ago.
	It's heartbreaking.
	Heartbreaking.
	Yeah, and when those same chemicals go into men, they make us infertile.
	They lower our testosterone.
	Like there's all sorts of effects.
	So it's screwing up both sexes, but it's primarily feminizing hormones.
	And that's not just in the water, right?
	It's in like all these plastic products, water bottles.
	This cup, if I put this in the microwave for like 15 seconds, this would leach a bunch of xenoestrogens into it.
	This is why the bunny ranch exists because people come to figure out why their sex life isn't as robust as it should be.
	I get you.
	I'm not sure if that's where you are going exactly.
	No, but yes, it does affect your sex lives, yeah.
	And maybe even preference because of the study of the frogs.
	Yeah, I mean, there's, there's, so check this out.
	There's a ton of different stuff, right?
	So if you go to the store, you buy, say you buy a packet of steak, for example, the plastic wrap on top of it, that's going to leach xenoestrogens into the steak.
	Women on birth control, which is, this is a very interesting thing.
	When women take birth control, they've done studies.
	Women on birth control more often than not prefer men with less masculine facial characteristics.
	Really?
	Yes.
	So women, you hear stories about this all the time.
	A woman will go on birth control and not be attracted to her boyfriend anymore, or she will be with a guy, get off of her birth control, and then all of a sudden she's like, wow, I'm not sexually attracted to my boyfriend at all.
	There's a massive assault.
	I wanted to say this.
	What did you say?
	Aren't those like freak occurrences?
	I really just common.
	It actually happened to one of my best friends.
	I got married to my husband.
	We went on our honeymoon.
	The doctor put me on birth control, and you can ask him, just DM him.
	I did not want to have sex with him.
	And I was angry at him.
	And I told my doctor, get me off this junk.
	So she took me off and we were back to normal.
	Nice.
	That's a perfect example.
	You know, the other thing about birth control, too?
	This is crazy.
	So you guys know what pheromones are, like the things our bodies emit.
	You know, you smell a healthy person's pheromones, makes you more attracted to them, makes you want to have sex with them, so on and so forth.
	You can actually smell a person's pheromones, and if their immune system is a good match for your immune system in terms of producing a kid, they will be more attractive to you.
	Okay, so they did a study where they had men wear shirts for like three days and then they put their shirts in plastic bags and they had women on birth control and off birth control smell the shirts.
	The women who were off birth control, when they smelled the shirts, they were attracted to the men who had complementary immune systems.
	And the women on birth control had, they couldn't tell which men, they weren't more attracted to the men with good immune systems for them.
	How could they tell if they had complementary immune systems?
	What was the test for that?
	They like studied, I don't know, like their DNA or their like microbiome, something like that.
	I don't know.
	Where was the study they found?
	Where was it found?
	I see anyone like that.
	Just online, I think.
	It's just an online system part.
	Yeah, if you look up studies on how birth control changes women's mating preferences, there's like a ton of literature and it's dramatic.
	Show of hands, who's on birth control currently?
	I think mine is non-hormonal.
	Okay.
	Is it the copper IUD?
	It's an IUD, and they just, when I went in to complain, like, well, I didn't go in to complain.
	I was doing a lot of research on hormones, and I went in and I said, I want to get my hormones checked.
	Sure.
	They said, why your birth control doesn't contain any hormones?
	And I was like, huh, weird.
	Don't know how that's possible.
	How does it work then?
	I think it just blocks the fallopian tubes from releasing the egg into the uterus to get fertilized.
	It's like a little word?
	A copper spring at the bottom of it, and the copper also destroys any type of implantation.
	Okay, I want to copper's going to be a little bit more.
	We're talking the feminization of the menu.
	I can draw you a picture.
	I want to drop one of my conspiracy theories.
	Okay, so when was the birth control pill introduced?
	Late 60s.
	I think 68.
	Wait.
	Okay.
	So everyone was around all freaky.
	It was around the feminine, like, it was around the feminist movement.
	All right, so we got all these weak guys nowadays.
	How many generations of women have been on birth control when they picked their husbands, then came off the birth control and got pregnant?
	And has there been for the past 60 years a selection pressure artificially from birth control making women choose to mate with men that have more feminine characteristics?
	And are their offspring?
	Are you guys following me?
	I'm calling.
	I'm following you.
	Like, that's like multiple generations.
	Okay, so like if birth control makes women prefer men with more feminine facial features, women go on birth control, they find a dude, they marry him, they get off the birth control, they have kids.
	That's generations of women picking men with more feminine characteristics and then producing kids with them.
	You think we're doing like eugenics, like we want all women everywhere, a world of women only.
	Not like a world of women only, but like it's like it's like a dysgenic like psyop making women have more feminine boys.
	Who's in charge of the sociopath?
	I can't answer that question, otherwise this channel would get away.
	If we're on birth control and we come off to have children and those children are now the boys of the world, could that birth control be leading to the feminization of men?
	It's possible, I don't know.
	Like while they're in the worm, you mean?
	Well, like, you're not taking birth control while you're pregnant.
	Like the leftover effect, the residual of the body is a bad thing.
	100%.
	100%.
	So if you're saying that it's leading us to be attracted to more feminine men, what's to lead it to not produce?
	What's the point?
	Produce a more feminine.
	I mean, it might, you know.
	I'm just adding to your mind.
	When women take hormonal birth control, it's just brute forcing their bodies with tons of hormones, and it also can deplete nutrients.
	This is why a lot of women actually become infertile after they come off hormonal birth control.
	All those nutrients maybe are making less feminine or more feminine boys.
	You know, there's a lot of stuff at play.
	It's possible.
	I don't know.
	Once you start just adding tons of hormones to the body, though, and all of these poisons in the environment, you get screwed up people.
	And also one thing I feel like you forgot to mention was like most boys are not growing up with a father in the home.
	And I think that's like really bad.
	It's really, really bad.
	So bringing it back to the question in terms of do you want to be submissive?
	Do you want to prefer 50-50 in a relationship?
	I think we had Wendy answer.
	What about you?
	I think it just depends on the relationship, like the person.
	Like if the guy's okay with being submissive and the girl wants to be dominant, okay.
	If the girl wants to be submissive, that's fine too.
	It kind of just depends on what each of them want, what the relationship looks like.
	Which do you prefer?
	Yeah, what do you prefer?
	50-50.
	You like 50-50?
	You don't want a strong boyfriend who wants to lead and you can follow?
	I want a strong boyfriend, but like I want to be able to have the opportunity to push back a little bit if my opinion differs.
	Like if I want something different and it's important to me, I don't want a boyfriend that's just going to be like, oh no.
	You don't want a tyrant?
	Yeah.
	I don't want someone that's just going to tell me everything to do because I don't know.
	I have my own opinions with everything.
	So here's the biblical idea, the biblical picture of dominance and submission.
	This is a loving dominance, okay?
	The example is Christ.
	Ephesians chapter 5.
	You can go read it later.
	But it says that husbands should love their wives as Christ loved the church.
	How did Christ love the church?
	He laid down his life for the church.
	If you're not, you know, dating or married to a man that's not willing to lay down his life for you, that's really not a man you should be with.
	And then obviously, as you keep going, it says that the wife should submit to the husband.
	The church doesn't submit to Christ.
	I'm sorry, Christ doesn't submit to the church.
	The church submits to Christ.
	Just as the husband-wife relationship relates to Christ and the church.
	The husband picturing Christ, the wife picturing the church.
	So, yeah, love is the key word there.
	You know, it's a loving dominance.
	And, Chase, if I recall, I think you've said that in your relationship, you don't want to be a tyrant.
	Like, you obviously want to be with an intelligent woman, and you'd be certainly open to hearing what she has to say.
	But I think, and perhaps you can phrase it, you know, I don't want to pop it.
	I mean, it's like this, bro.
	Like, you know, I look at it from the perspective of raising a family, right?
	Creating a family.
	As a man, for me to create a family and bring a family into this world, I am ultimately responsible for everything that happens to it, right?
	Like, I am the commander, the captain of the ship.
	Whatever happens to the ship, that's on me, right?
	And I'm willing to take that responsibility.
	Now, with that said, I want a good wife that I can partner with.
	I don't want a wife who's like stupid or who isn't going to have valuable input.
	Like, obviously, I'm going to disagree with her on things.
	There's no question about that.
	But I want the kind of woman whose counsel I trust.
	And if our perspectives differ and we're married, I will expect her, even if she doesn't understand where I'm coming from, I will expect her to ultimately submit to what it is that I need her or the family to do while trusting that it's in ultimately the best interests of the family.
	Like, I don't want to control her.
	Well, I guess that that's where I differ.
	Like, if you guys have opposing opinions, like, that doesn't mean that all the time she needs to be submissive to you.
	Yeah, I mean, she's totally allowed to disagree, and because I love her, I'm going to listen to what it is that she has to say.
	Well, what if, like, what she had was super intelligent, blah, blah, blah, and you guys were arguing, and she brought up, like, a really good point.
	Would you like to?
	I mean, if I'm wrong about something and she brings up a good point and proves to me that I'm wrong, like, I would have the humility to be like, okay, you got me on this one.
	Great job.
	Thank you for telling me that.
	But that doesn't that lead to your trust in her counsel?
	It does.
	It does.
	Like, that's why you would trust that she's the woman for you because you would trust that that's why you're with her.
	Absolutely.
	You have the ability.
	Yeah, so I have a perfect example.
	Have you guys seen the movie 300?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So in the opening scenes of 300, King Leonidas, there's a messenger from the Persian army that comes to King Leonidas, right?
	He comes to Sparta, and he basically tells the Spartans, he's like, yo, you guys need to submit to us or we're going to kill all of you, okay?
	And so they're having this conversation, and King Leonidas is there with his queen.
	And as they're having this conversation, as they're having this conversation, King Leonidas realizes that he needs to kill this man.
	But before he kills this man, he looks back at his wife because it's a massive decision to kill this man.
	If he kills this messenger from the Persians, the entire Persian army of millions of men is going to descend on Sparta and attempt to kill everyone.
	It's a big decision.
	So he looks back at his queen for her counsel because he knows he needs to kill this guy.
	And she just nods her head.
	And like in that moment, he knows like, okay, like my wife has got me on this.
	This is the right decision.
	And then he yells, this is Sparta and he kicks the dude into the hole.
	And then they kill everybody.
	Like you want, I feel like as a man.
	Sparta.
	Yes.
	I had it ready.
	I had it ready to go.
	Like as a man, like I want a woman whose counsel I can trust.
	I want a woman who is intelligent, who can see things.
	And if the thing is, like with leadership, you have to be humble.
	You need humility because if you're a leader and you're wrong about something, you have to know that you're wrong.
	You know, like if I'm going to lead my family in a certain direction and I'm accidentally going to lead them off a cliff, I want to know that I'm going to do that.
	And if my wife tells me that and she can explain it to me and she can help me see that, like I'm going to have the humility to be like, oh yeah, you're right.
	And I want the kind of woman that can do that.
	But if she's wrong about something and I know damn well that she's wrong about it, I'm going to expect her, even if she doesn't agree with me, I'm going to expect her to listen to what it is that I have to say because she trusts that I have her best interests at heart.
	Does that make sense?
	100%.
	Wait, so Caitlin, let me give a scenario.
	Let's say you've been dating a guy, dating a guy, right?
	For a couple months.
	And you're like, hey, what do you want to eat?
	And he's like, I don't know.
	You just, whatever you want.
	Is that turn off?
	Because I feel like I hear from a lot of women.
	They want like the guy who's decisive, who's like, I want Mexican tonight.
	I want hamburgers.
	I want sushi.
	I mean, if it was like all the time and I never got to pick where to eat and it was just always what he wanted and like, then I wouldn't like it.
	But if he was like, again, 50-50, like half the time, oh, like, what do you want?
	And then half the time he's telling me what he wants.
	What are you getting for dinner tonight?
	I kind of want Chick-fil-A.
	Can I add to that?
	Yeah.
	So here's my issue with it is if I say like, okay, I make the final decision.
	We're having Mexican tonight.
	And then it's awful or it's bad service or something.
	Then it comes back.
	I hate when the guy is then like, well, we shouldn't have done that because it was a horrible idea.
	Or then speak up.
	It's still on him.
	Then speak up.
	If you didn't want to go for Mexican, then say something.
	But that's what we're like.
	He submitted to your decision, but ultimately it was still his decision, right?
	And then they turn around and they blame him.
	He can't make it.
	This is his decision.
	Right.
	So it's like, it's like in the book of Genesis.
	After Adam and Eve eat the fruit, God comes to them and he's like, what have you done?
	And Adam goes, it was the woman.
	Like, she said we should do it.
	There you go.
	Same thing.
	There we go.
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	And then we have a couple chats here.
	We have, oops, let me get this triggered.
	Brian, can I make just one point of clarification?
	Yeah, Jimmy.
	Sure.
	I just, I want to say too to what we were saying, I think it's good for a woman to want a man who can lead, who cares about what it is that she cares about, right?
	There's a distinction there between a tyrant versus having a loving king, boyfriend, or husband, right?
	Because if you're with a good man, he's going to care about what you care about.
	That doesn't mean he's always going to listen in terms of like, yeah, we're going to do that.
	But a good man is going to at least care, right?
	A man who doesn't really care about you that much, he's going to be like, no, screw it.
	You have to say, like, I'm not listening.
	There's a difference there.
	Would you say there's some type of a comparison there almost to the way that like children need to submit to their parents, right?
	It's like, I mean, sure, sometimes you can have shitty parents.
	And when you listen to them and they make all of the decisions on your behalf, that could lead to a terrible life if they're terrible parents.
	But if they're good parents and you trust in their judgment, it's ultimately going to lead to the best outcome for you.
	I mean, I guess, like, I grew up with pretty shitty parents.
	Right.
	So maybe it's hard.
	So I was always independent and like on my own and like making my own decisions.
	And for me, it was kind of like I was kind of like the leader helper of the family, I guess, like even with my brothers.
	So I feel like I would have a really hard time if, or like one, putting my trust in a guy because I've had a lot of guys hurt me.
	But also being submissive to someone else, like after me being like dominant for myself all these years, like I just don't know if I could go fully submissive.
	Like I feel like for me, it would always have to be 50-50.
	You know, so I've met and talked to a lot of girls that have had daddy issues and who fundamentally find it hard to trust the judgment of a man because they were taught in life that the man that was supposed to love them most didn't love them and didn't have their interests at heart.
	I believe that if and when you choose to heal that and it'll take time, but like for you to heal that wound from your dad and to realize like he failed at his job, I believe that you would find it easier to trust a man.
	I feel like I should also just keep my independence because I feel like that's what makes me who I am and it makes me strong.
	It makes me successful with things in my life.
	But do you feel like it's a little bit of an armor sometimes?
	I mean, yeah, I do put up an armor, but do I want to like be making decisions for myself?
	Even if it's like I have somebody else, do I want to be the person like equal 50-50 in decisions?
	Yeah, I never want someone to take that from me.
	There's this saying that like unknown heavens are like scarier to people than known hells.
	And I think that oftentimes for people, especially when they've experienced childhood trauma, especially stuff with their upbringing, like that bleeds into your adulthood so much.
	Oh, it does.
	That just because your armor has served you for this part of your life, like I would just encourage you to think that like maybe like what are you also giving up in pursuit of keeping that armor on at the same time?
	It's just something to consider.
	I'll tell you this, just to wrap this point, if you find a really good guy who loves you and he's strong and he's masculine and you can actually trust his judgment, if you keep that armor up and you keep like pushing away his loving leadership, that is the kind of thing that can ultimately push away a really good man.
	Well, I'd say with 50-50, it wouldn't be like me pushing away his leadership.
	It would be like me welcoming it in, but also him welcoming mine.
	Like just our opinions, like that's it.
	Like not one person's a leader over the other.
	Kind of like you both are going together.
	I don't know.
	You may find a guy who wants exactly that.
	I hope so.
	Either way, it's not ideal.
	It's not right, I would say.
	I think going by our feelings is how we got this nation all jacked up in the first place.
	We need to start going off the word of God and not just our feelings.
	If we make morals subjective or relative, you could say, to our own feelings and our own desires, this destroys any moral claim that you can make.
	It makes your worldview concerning morals totally absurd.
	Because if you say, okay, morals are just what I feel is right, okay, now you've subjectivized morality, and now we have dudes in women's bathrooms.
	And you can't object to that.
	You can't say, oh, that's wrong because you've already subjectivized morality.
	He's just doing what's right in his own eyes.
	You can't look at a rape or a mall shooting and say, oh, that's wrong.
	No, you've already subjectivized morality.
	He's just doing what's right in his own eyes.
	But from the Christian worldview, we start with God's word and the objective standard of his word.
	We say, this is God's design.
	This is right because he says so.
	And we start there instead of starting with our own feelings and our own reasoning.
	I think honestly, it'll just take the right men worth submitting to.
	And I think that's the biggest point here.
	For a man, they want a confidant, a woman who they can lean on, their cancel.
	But for the woman, they also need a man who they can trust and default to their leadership too.
	And I think that's what it's going to take for you is meeting a man like that.
	But I would just caution you to be a little bit worried because that armor that you're wearing now could prevent you from ever meeting him.
	It's very wise.
	What was that quote you said a second ago on discovered?
	Known hells are sometimes preferable to unknown heavens.
	Genius.
	Life-changing genius.
	I'm actually not sure what the original source is.
	I'm not sure, but someone said it to me years ago and it was really, really impressive.
	The way I've, I've also, I'm pretty sure this is the same thing is the devil, you know, is better than the devil?
	You don't yeah, but I don't know if that's basically like a shitty situation.
	If you're, I'm trying to think like what's the cost?
	At least you know what you're getting yourself into, you know what you're dealing with.
	It's like staying in an abusive relationship and being scared of breaking up and being single.
	I'm not saying that that's a it's a right thing, but that's what people said.
	Like that was a quote people used for Trump.
	Like I'd rather have somebody like Trump president, because we know what his actual thoughts are, versus somebody who's like we don't know.
	And then they get that I'm so down to rumble.
	Wait, okay.
	So where were we careful?
	Where were we?
	We were okay.
	So I'm trying to think of some more scenarios with the 50-50 thing.
	Well, do you?
	Are you selectively 50-50 though?
	Like, for example, when it comes to courtship, do you ask guys out?
	Do you take initiative?
	Do you go for the first kiss?
	Yeah yeah, you go for the first kiss.
	Go for the first kiss.
	Yes sometimes sometimes well, I mean, why not?
	If I like a guy, that's fine.
	You said you're on birth control.
	Yes, I wonder if your preferences would change after coming off.
	I mean, I'm on birth control and that's not happening.
	I mean I don't know.
	But I usually sometimes, when there's like a point, I like a guy, go up to him.
	I got a question about the 50-50 thing.
	You want to have kids.
	I don't know yet, you don't know.
	Depends on if I find the right guy.
	Okay, say you found the right guy, then yeah, if I were financially straighten up, if I were financially stable, everything like was aligned to have kids yeah, I would want kids.
	Would you want to just continue working through your pregnancy and then after having the kids, or would you want him to provide for you?
	I feel like it depends.
	If I have a really good job and I make more money financially than he does, then I would want to keep working.
	Yeah, despite the stresses of pregnancy and motherhood.
	Yes, I'm calling cap.
	We'll check back in 10 years and 10 Yeah, we'll put it on the calendar.
	What about you?
	So if I could find somebody that I trusted.
	Who doesn't go to jail?
	Right.
	Yeah, so if I found a really good guy and I trusted him and he was intelligent and I would love to be able to be submissive.
	I would like that.
	With your last boyfriend, is that the one that was in the once prison?
	Is that your last boyfriend?
	No.
	That was maybe your previous one.
	Were you submissive to him?
	I tried to be, and then he proved over and over again to be more of like.
	No, that's the one that was in prison.
	The last one I was with was the one that had the job, moved in, lost the job, and then was going to do the travel job, and then was just in my apartment all the time.
	Anyways, he just, he was not dominant at all.
	I felt like I had to take on the dominant role, and that was kind of a little bit of a bummer to me.
	I was looking forward to either being 50-50 or getting to have somebody who was more of like a leader.
	A real man, so to speak.
	Yeah, I guess, yeah.
	Oh, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Would you say, Atlas, that you have a pattern of picking the wrong guys?
	Yes, and that's why I've actually never even really dated.
	So like I met that guy through a friend, and he was one of the first guys I've actually ever gone out on some dates with.
	The prison dude or the last boyfriend.
	Yeah, any guy I've ever dated before, I was friends with forever before we started dating.
	So I'm just taking a long break, and I'm about to have so much school, there's no time to give anyone any time.
	So I just don't get into anything really.
	How many relationships have you had?
	In my adult life, that'd be easier to count.
	So like when I was younger, like a teenager, I'd have break up and get a different boyfriend.
	Doesn't matter.
	In my adult life, I've had, okay, let's see, probably like less than five.
	How many of them were just like shitty dudes?
	Like just like we got a dude in prison, we got a guy that played video games all day.
	Actually, probably not even five, like probably like three or four.
	Well like three.
	There was one really good guy.
	There's one really good guy.
	Okay.
	He was like military and became a nurse and I've noticed that some women just have a habit of picking like dudes that are absolutely terrible for them and I've always wondered what drives them.
	I can't interject there.
	I think that guys pick girls.
	I think girls that have some type of motherly healers.
	Yeah, healers or givers or more submissive or wounded guys.
	Predators pick up on that.
	Like you're wearing something on your forehead.
	That's definitely the predators just pick up on them and they're just like eagles and they just pick up.
	And so I don't think it's the female's problem fault.
	Well, I think both sexes should take accountability for sure if we're all adults.
	But yeah, I've noticed that they're definitely like, I don't know if you have any wounds, but like wounded women will pick like the dudes that take advantage of them and then like predatory dudes will definitely hone in on women that are wounded.
	How do you think pimping happens?
	Yeah.
	You know, the predators, these girls are out there on their own, you know, usually teenagers, they're runaways and something wasn't going on good at home and then bam, you know, they're picked up.
	I wanted to say something to you because I love you, Amy, so much.
	That when you were a teenager, that was trafficking.
	That is not child prostitution.
	It was trafficking.
	Okay.
	We're moving on from that.
	We're not talking about that.
	All right.
	We told you before the show, like, let's not.
	It's one of the things that can get us banned.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Let's.
	Brian, where do you want to take it?
	Yeah, so I'm trying to think here.
	Take care of that super chat real quick if you want.
	Yeah.
	Let's, okay, I'll read the super chat.
	Ovi Gada, just FYI for the global audience, Catholicism, Christianity, is based on how Europeans interpretate.
	Interpretate.
	Is that interpret the Bible, which was written by Israelites, not Europeans, for the last 1,800 years?
	Humanity has been fooled to think that this is their book and it's not.
	Okay.
	Can I address that real quick?
	20 seconds.
	I don't know.
	It says, I think it's speaking.
	I don't know where he's.
	20 seconds.
	He's saying that Europeans manipulated the Bible.
	This is false, Ovigada.
	The Bible has been translated all over the world in many different languages.
	We have the original source texts.
	This is not just a European thing.
	You can find people in Asia, Africa, so on and so forth.
	They have translated the Bible from the original source text into their own languages, and it still says the same thing.
	So there you have it, folks.
	All right, we have GP.
	Many of the worst acts throughout human history have happened over my imaginary friends is better than your imaginary friend.
	Some of the worst people I've known go to church, get a reset every Sunday.
	Those who'd literally give the shirt off their back don't.
	Do you guys have a response to that from GP?
	I mean, Andrew, if you want to go.
	You know, there's a problem with church is the objection.
	There's a problem with religion, I guess you could say.
	That's what he's objecting to.
	Every worldview is religious.
	Religion is unavoidable.
	I don't care if you're a secular humanist.
	I don't care if you're an atheist.
	You're still religious.
	And what I mean by that is everybody has a faith commitment in some ultimate standard or some standard that they place as ultimate.
	So for the atheists or the secularists, they place reason as ultimate or their feelings or science, whatever, as ultimate.
	Trust the science.
	Right.
	How'd that work out, right?
	That needs to be assured.
	The point is, religion is inescapable, right?
	And so everybody has a faith commitment, but the faith commitment in reason cannot justify knowledge.
	It actually causes experience to be absurd.
	If you asked an atheist or a secularist, or you guys, how do you know anything at all?
	And I've talked to people about this on the street many times.
	Well, I know things through reason.
	I know things through experience.
	Well, I would then say, how do you know your reasoning is reliable?
	How do you know what you know?
	And then they have two options.
	They could either say, oh, I know my reasoning is reliable because of science, because of studies.
	Well, that's a vicious circular argument that they're committing.
	Or they could then say, well, I don't know.
	I don't know whether my reasoning is reliable and they give up knowledge.
	So this worldview, this secular human worldview, once you give up knowledge, once you can't justify knowledge, everything you do after that point makes no sense.
	You're saying everything you do, I mean, you're assuming that you know things when you drive your car, when you go to work.
	You have to assume the uniformity in nature and God's design in order to live life, in order to make experience intelligible.
	So I have a faith commitment in the Bible that makes all of experience intelligible.
	So bad.
	And they make, they have a faith commitment in reason and experience through which they can know nothing at all.
	What if you just have a higher power?
	Like, what if it's just not like classic God Bible itself?
	But what if you believe in a higher power and you wager your decisions on whether a decision feels like it's going to bring you a light energy and peace versus a heavy energy that's dark?
	What about that?
	So one of the things that the Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians was that Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
	But what if you do make pretty good decisions, like you seem to be like a good...
	I would say this, I would say this.
	Every different religion is making ultimate claims to truth, and most of the time, claims about where your soul is going to go when you die.
	All of these different religions lead to different places.
	Islam leads to one place, they say you get there that way.
	Christianity leads to one place, they say you get there this way.
	Buddhism, Hinduism, they're all leading to different places, and they're all making claims to truth.
	The question is, which one of them is right?
	Because if Christianity is true and you don't take the path that Jesus lays out for us, you're not going to go to a place that you like.
	You don't have to say that.
	I do need to move, redirect things back.
	Okay, we have to talk for after the show.
	Then do the offender, I have trouble with religion due to the fact that.
	Okay, all right.
	Due to the bane of Brian's the religious talk.
	Oh, do we look?
	We look kind of too dark here.
	Okay, whatever.
	It's fine.
	I have trouble with religion due to the fact that many of my family members died during my teens, starting with my mother at age 10.
	I'd gone to eight family funerals in the span of eight years.
	My father has been, for lack of a better word, a bomb since 2008.
	Okay, Bender the Offender.
	Well, thank you for it.
	Good to see you back in the chat, man.
	Well, what's if you guys, I can open this up to both of you guys.
	If you can try to keep it brief.
	So oftentimes people will say, well, how can there be a God because of XYZ terrible things happen to other people, happen to me, happen in the world?
	How can, you know, we have cancer, we have disease, we have brain-eating amoebas.
	So how can all these terrible things exist?
	And also be like, so I think that's kind of what he's getting at.
	So what's your answer to that?
	You want to take that?
	Yeah.
	There's multiple ways to answer that.
	There's wrong ways to answer it.
	So it's the problem of evil, right?
	How can God be good and allow so much evil to exist?
	You know, and I get it.
	It's extremely, it's an emotional issue, right?
	We all have trauma that we go through.
	And Job, certainly in the Bible, dealt with great loss, and yet he kept his faith in God.
	So one way to, you know, quote-unquote, rescue God from the problem of evil is say, oh, well, there's free will.
	Now, that doesn't really solve the problem or answer the objection very well because God is still sovereign over the free will of man.
	So he still holds ultimate responsibility.
	The way I would answer it is first, number one, you can't make sense out of right and wrong unless you start with the Christian worldview.
	Unless you start with the objective standard of the word of God.
	I've kind of talked about that already.
	If you don't start there, you just subjectivize everything and you lose knowledge.
	And then number two is, you know, God allows evil to take place and he is not accountable to us to necessarily give us all the ins and outs and all the reasons why he allows evil to take place.
	There is certain reasons.
	He says all things are working together for good.
	All things are working together for his glory.
	He says that he's good.
	I trust that he's good.
	$200.
	Madhu Yorjinditz Tensekrita.
	Thoughts? What? What?
	Does anybody know what this means?
	Is it World of Warcraft?
	No, that's definitely not World of Warcraft related.
	Is it Spanish?
	I have no idea.
	George?
	I think it's Old Ladd.
	I think it's a part of the Bible.
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	His name's Oropro-Nobus.
	Probably.
	Probably is Old Laddin.
	Anyways, let's get back to it.
	You want to wrap that up?
	Yeah.
	So number one, you can't make sense out of right and wrong unless you start with a Christian worldview.
	And then number two, God is not accountable to us to necessarily give us all the reasons for why he allows bad things to take place.
	I trust that he has a good plan.
	And Job certainly did.
	And he had a much worse life than I did.
	And so if God is good, he must have a morally just reason for allowing evil to take place, but he's not accountable to us to give us every single reason.
	We'll take a quick stab at it, Brian, unless you want to move on.
	It's up to you, man.
	Maybe like 20 seconds?
	20 seconds.
	Yeah, I'll just say this.
	The story of human history is a self-governance experiment.
	In the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve chose to reject what God wanted for them.
	They ate the fruit.
	He promised them, if you guys eat this fruit, you will surely die.
	Since then, mankind has been trying to govern itself.
	Like Andrew said, God gives us free will.
	People can use that free will for good or for evil.
	And people do evil with it, and bad stuff happens in the world.
	We live in a fallen world.
	To the guy who sent in that comment, I was raised Christian for a period of time when I was a kid.
	I lost my faith after my mom struggled with Lyme disease and then took her own life from it.
	I looked at that and I thought to myself, how could a good God exist?
	My mom had faith in God.
	She prayed for healing.
	How could he let her go through this?
	That killed my faith.
	But God brought me back to him.
	And I look at all of this now and it's like, dude, the problem of evil, it sucks, man.
	But because there's brokenness in the world, it doesn't mean that God is not good.
	And we know actually that God is good because when God comes down to earth, when Jesus Christ reigns on this earth, there will be no more sorrow.
	There will be no more death.
	There will be no more tears.
	And that's what we look forward to, man.
	All right.
	So heavy, man.
	If you want to have a good time, come to the bunny ranch.
	Okay, I'm going to read this chat.
	Please, guys, if you're going to super chat, we've been off of dating for 20, 30 minutes now, guys.
	Let's take a look at the video.
	Please please with the super chats, guys.
	If there's more that come through, look, I have no issues with religious talk, but you know, it is a dating podcast.
	I do want to be considerate of the other guests here.
	So if any other religious chats come through, I might just, I'm letting you guys know we might just skip over it because it's kind of derailing the conversation, guys.
	So, yeah.
	All right.
	I didn't mention translations because we both know those were necessary.
	My point is, Europeans interpretate, again, okay, buddy, the Bible differently than the Israelites who actually wrote the Bible thus.
	False interpretations equals false religion, hijacking the book, which was not yours.
	Okay, there you have it.
	All right.
	I don't even know where we left off here.
	Let me do a chat that's kind of related.
	We were talking about it.
	All right, Lenny, ladies and gents, red flag, green flag.
	The guy's only source of income is through betting his earning, admits he can't survive even a day in the wild.
	And if you were dating him, your dad doesn't think he's a man.
	Love the pod, by the way.
	Wait, so is this a scenario?
	Is he talking about a green flag if your guy's like all of his income?
	Gambling.
	Red.
	Red.
	And he can't survive even a day in the wild.
	Yeah, red.
	Is it an addiction?
	Like in nature?
	And your dad doesn't think he is a man.
	I mean, yeah, just a little bit of a damn thing.
	Just all these specific ideas.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Let's add one more detail.
	He's extremely successful at it.
	Makes like millions of dollars.
	He's rich.
	Wait.
	She's like, wait, hold on.
	He gambles, he wins all the time, or just like not all the time.
	Sometimes he takes huge losses, but overall, he's successful at it and he makes a ton of money.
	But he can't survive a day in the wild, and your dad does not think he's a man.
	Your dad thinks he's a soyboy, but he's rich.
	He can't survive a day in the wild.
	Red flag or green flag?
	Red flag.
	You go.
	Still a red flag.
	Still a red flag.
	Red flag.
	I like naked and afraid and alone.
	Red.
	Definitely red.
	I want someone to protect me.
	Red flag.
	Addiction.
	But he's rich.
	Yeah.
	A red flag.
	Addiction.
	Okay.
	Maybe green flag, because if you keep swinging, then maybe it's no gambling.
	I'm rich.
	Red flag.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you have it.
	Okay, so some of you were so kind as to provide some pre-show notes to us.
	So starting with you, Wendy, I saw on your Instagram you consider yourself a five-star bitch.
	What is a five-star bitch?
	Is it like a five-star hotel?
	No, not that.
	It's just like.
	I don't know.
	I just consider, like, I consider me, I consider me myself pretty, you know, like, I don't know.
	It just means like I'm just like a five-star.
	Like, my rating is just five-star.
	Like, I'm just, I'm just out of ten or out of five.
	It's probably a lot of fun.
	Oh, out of five.
	Oh, yeah.
	Just checking.
	It's usually just five stars.
	Let's see.
	You also wrote, there's no real love out here anymore.
	What do you mean?
	Where?
	In your messages to us, you're like, there's no real love out here anymore.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm like, oh, I thought I was like on my Instagram.
	I'm like, no, It was a caption that I put that on.
	In the messages you sent us.
	So is that because of the habitual cheating ex-boyfriend?
	Not that.
	It's like I try and just so many guys just give me icks.
	Like, I don't know.
	Oh, icks.
	Okay.
	What?
	So many guys give you icks.
	So, first off, what is an ick?
	Like, sometimes, like, a girl just wants to hang out, like, have a friend, you know, to just like talk to, you know?
	And then half the time, no, mostly all the time, they just like, they just want to like fuck.
	But if you say no to it, like, then they're just like.
	They don't want to be your friend at the time.
	Yeah, then they're, no, then they're all grouchy and stuff.
	And like, or like, they start driving fast.
	It's just a bunch of like those are like, yeah, and then that just happens more than it should.
	Wait, so basically, like, you have guys who you think are your friends.
	Or just like in general, I just like, I just tell them, I literally text them, like, yeah, we could hang out, but like, just hang out.
	Like, I don't want to find nothing.
	Like, I just, like, because I smoke, you know, like, I smoke weed, so I'm like, if I want to.
	Did you guys smoke before the show?
	I do.
	I smoke.
	She doesn't.
	I didn't.
	You sure?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So these guys hang out.
	Wait, so you.
	So they usually attend saying, oh, like, let's smoke, like, hang out like that.
	You know that?
	Yeah, they want to have sex with you.
	Like, but no, but I tell them before we hang out, like, I don't, you know, like, I don't want that.
	And then when I hang out with them, like, they, like, push themselves on me, and I'm like, no, you know, like, I don't know.
	If you have to tell them, then you should probably just, like, stay away.
	If you're not down for that, because I think you're very dangerous.
	I think you're around the wrong people.
	I think this is a perfect example of how men and women can't really be friends.
	I feel like it's a perfect example of, no offense, female naivete.
	If dudes are asking you to smoke, they probably want to hook up with you.
	Yeah, you know I'm right.
	But what if she just wants a free blunt?
	Oh, is that what it is?
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	Are they providing the window?
	That was some honesty right there.
	Sometimes, like, no.
	What's like, what's the term?
	I usually say match it, matching someone else.
	So smoking someone out.
	Or just matching it.
	Matching it?
	Usually, like, I don't know.
	I don't even know what's going on.
	I don't think, I don't know if it's a great, like, so you meet up with these guys just you and the dude.
	Yeah, she wants to get smoked out, and then she acts surprised when they're like, yo, I want to hook up with you, and then they get mad.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I feel really want to be their friend.
	She might think the dude's funny.
	Like, I don't have to open my lips just for, like, just because, like, what?
	I gotta like.
	No, would you hang out with any of these guys if they weren't smoking you out?
	No.
	Yeah.
	So let's put that whole she might just want to be saying you're taking advantage of him.
	Is it just because you just want to be smoking though?
	No, I don't.
	Sometimes I just get bored and they just say like, oh, hang out.
	I'm like, sure, but I'm not looking for anything.
	Like, I don't want to do anything, you know?
	And like, why do like I have to force myself, you know, like, I don't even know the dude.
	And they just tell me, like, oh, like.
	So the guys should 100%, excuse me, should 100%.
	Oh, my God, I can't speak to them.
	100% respect your boundaries.
	However, there are some dog-type dudes out there that like, I mean, a lot of guys will play, they'll play like the friendship role, even if you're in a relationship and they're just waiting.
	Yeah.
	When's she going to be single?
	Where's my option?
	So I think women can be friends with men.
	It's not clear to me.
	There's probably some men out there can be friends with women.
	But like, I think a lot of men, for example, it sounds like you have male friends, right?
	And you view them as just strictly friends with friends.
	Yeah, strictly just friends with you.
	I'm sure all of you maybe have some male friends.
	Probably the vast majority of them, if given the opportunity, if you're like, hey, do you want to hook up?
	They would be down.
	They would hook up with you.
	In fact, we could do a little test here.
	You got your phone on you.
	Text one of your male friends right now and be like, hey.
	We already knew who to tell me.
	I have so many videos of like, I've never seen, I go party with him all the time.
	Every time a girl comes up to him, he just goes like that.
	And like, I've never seen him talk to a girl or go up to a girl, which is like, you know?
	No, but he's not like that, though.
	Like, either way, until he's in a relationship.
	We can't call him.
	I can't call him because...
	Because he sucks at, like, texting.
	We...
	You'd have to text him just because of California wiretapping laws.
	Not trying to catch a felon here, but.
	Wow.
	What are you going to text him?
	Oh.
	Should it just be.
	My friend, would you want to let go of it?
	Be like, oh, hey, what are you doing?
	And then if he responds, be like, you want to hook up?
	And just see what he says.
	that means like hang out isn't he do you wanna i don't know It's pretty.
	Netflix and chill question mark.
	Yeah, do you like, you want to hook up with like a winky face?
	How about do you want to cuddle tonight?
	Do you want to hang out with me?
	You should be forward with it.
	For the sake of the experiment.
	Hey, what are you doing?
	All right, let him respond.
	Hey, Brian, you want to pull up that super chat in the meantime?
	Sure, sure, sure.
	I'll read this one.
	Really hot and bothering.
	Guys, City said, please no more religious talk.
	I like Chase when he's not on his soapbox.
	Smart slash nice guy.
	Just misdirecting his intellect towards fantasy stories.
	Shots fired.
	Come back more often, Chase.
	We've missed you.
	Just leave that stuff for Jesse Lee Peterson's shit show.
	Great panel tonight.
	Well, I don't want to hijack Brian's show with the religious stuff, but you will never get me to back down from it.
	But thank you for expressing that you missed me.
	It's good to be back with you guys.
	And I think we're, yeah, we're all caught up on chats.
	So let us know has he responded yet?
	Let us know what he says.
	So you just asked, hey, what are you doing?
	Yeah, if you want me to say something.
	I don't know.
	What are you doing is probably not enough.
	No, no, no, no.
	What you should do.
	This is what you should do.
	Wait till he responds.
	Because it's mean.
	And then after he responds, then be like, yo, what are you doing tonight?
	I want to hook up?
	Like, just something like that.
	Because if you just come right off the bat, like, if some random girl hit me up and was like, yo, I want to hook up, I'd be like, what the hell?
	He's literally the type to like laugh by your face.
	No, he will.
	He'll laugh at me.
	That's what he's going to do.
	Do you think he won't take it seriously?
	No, he just doesn't want to.
	He's going to put like a thumbs down emoji or something.
	If you already know that he's not going to want to, text me.
	He's a friend.
	He's my friend that wouldn't want to.
	Well, we've had girls say this to her.
	We've had girls say this, though, and then they get proven wrong.
	Like the guy's down.
	Yeah.
	What do you guys think would work like?
	Do you have a girlfriend?
	Is he single?
	He's single.
	Maybe they say yes.
	It doesn't affect his masculinity.
	What?
	He's going to just pass up a chance at pussy?
	Maybe he'll just say yes and just look like literally once at a party.
	I could literally say a story from him.
	Like once we were at a party and a girl in our friend group, like this happened, like our friend group, a girl, she literally went up to him, like literally all over him, like trying to kiss him.
	He's just going like this back and forth.
	And he's like, okay.
	Like after five minutes of her trying to kiss him, she's like, okay, go get me like a drink from the bar and then like, we'll like go to the corner and like I'll give you a kiss, you know?
	And then she goes, gets him a drink and he just gets the drink and just walks into like walks away into the crowd.
	And I literally witnessed that and I was just like, I was just not in the girl.
	Sigma move, dude.
	Wait, stigma move.
	But like, that was one specific example.
	But does he, like, you see him hooking up with girls?
	Does he have game?
	No.
	I don't think he's gone.
	He's just there vibing.
	He just vibes.
	He just doesn't care.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Do you have a guy that you can text to see if he would both friends?
	We're more friendly.
	We're in the same friend group.
	So are you guys trying to set up a threesome here?
	No, it might seem more realistic if she said something like that.
	But just being like, yo, you want me to go?
	Yeah, because I don't have my phone.
	I feel like when you're a kid, so from a girl's perspective, what do you think would be better?
	I feel like when you're younger, like at the age that they're at, they don't talk that direct.
	I feel like that's more like our age would be like that.
	But like, maybe if she made it into something more funny, but still giving the sign, like, hey, I'm going to be hanging out with so-and-so, and we want you to come over, Winky Face.
	Maybe we could all do something fun.
	Ha ha, you know?
	I don't know.
	That's hanging out.
	This is just like hanging out.
	See, that sounds so bad, right?
	Like, so.
	No, no, no.
	No, not like bad, but that's just like terrible.
	It's kind of bad.
	No, it's vague.
	It's too vague.
	What you got to do is be like, I'm not doing anything tonight.
	Do you want to come over, Winky Face?
	Yeah, I think that's good.
	I think that's decent.
	I feel like he's not going to pick up on that.
	Oh, I feel like he's not going to pick up on that, and he's just going to be like, oh, like, okay.
	Like, thinking that we're just going to hang out.
	Question mark Winky Face.
	Does anybody think that's suggestive?
	I mean, it is all about it.
	It's so pre-2020, isn't it?
	I would never have to say Winky Face question mark.
	I don't know.
	I'm one of two.
	We'll check in later on that.
	So you were talking about icks, right?
	And I think that's how we got onto this conversation.
	What are some other icks?
	EXAN chilling at me.
	Here's a better question, actually.
	What's the worst ick you've ever gotten from a guy?
	I think that would be interesting to hear from the ladies.
	We could do that.
	And then also, what's like the most kind of minor ick, but that was a deal breaker.
	Like, oh, you fucking didn't tie his shoes or had mismatching socks or some like ridiculous shit like that.
	Like, can you guys, can any of you remember a time you got the ick like really bad from a guy?
	I mean, yeah, I think I was.
	What was it?
	What happened?
	So we were going out with some friends, and I was waiting for them at the table.
	And I realized that they were staring at me from a far corner and just like giving me this vampire stare.
	And I think they wanted me to come to them.
	And I thought that was just like really possessive and kind of gross.
	So they were just looking at extremely awkward.
	Well, it was kind of weird because there was like two guys at the table, but I had three friends.
	So they were kind of occupying the guys.
	So I felt like maybe he was uncomfortable.
	But like, come and talk to me.
	Like, I'm just sitting there.
	Like, don't stare at me like a serial killer.
	Yeah.
	And I just, like, the guy came up, like, one of the guys on the table came up to me and said, I think that's your boyfriend staring at you.
	And I turned around.
	It was just like slender man in the corner.
	Wait, so you were dating this guy?
	Yeah, kind of.
	Like, just dating him.
	Did you stop talking to him after that?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Because I saw him.
	Wait, what?
	I would be so curious to hear the story from his perspective.
	Yeah, I think he would feel like I figured it out too.
	I would know.
	My ex, he had, so I invited him over, but I was with my friends.
	Like, he just wanted to hang out with me.
	Like, he just wanted to hang out with me.
	Like, just wanted to.
	And then I was at my friends.
	He comes over, but he's like, oh, but my cousin's coming.
	I'm like, okay, he could come too.
	Like, my friends are just there, like, you know?
	And then he, right when they, like, I thought, like, right when he got there, like, his cousin was just, like, all over one of my friends.
	And then my friends was like, can you, like, like, I don't want to hook up.
	I don't know what, you know, like, nothing.
	Like, because he was, like, implying, like, let's go to a room, you know?
	And, like, none of them knew him.
	And then after, like, she said, like, oh, like, I don't know you.
	Like, I don't even know your name.
	And then he's like, yeah, and then he was like trying to like, like, hook up with her.
	And he just started, like, his nose started flaring up.
	He was in the corner with his eyes all big, staring at him down, literally, like, staring her down the whole time.
	And then my ex now, but my boyfriend at the time, he literally looks at me.
	He's like, oh, we have to leave early then.
	And I'm just like, that's disgusting.
	But then the whole time, they were just both just staring down at my friend like mad dogs.
	Like, they were just like mad the whole time.
	That's pretty awkward.
	Okay.
	Andrew, what can a woman do to give you the ick?
	Yeah, I've already mentioned that, right?
	All I'm looking for, like, what if you were talking to a Christian girl?
	Okay.
	And, like, what could she do to make you be like, oh man, I'm really not interested in you?
	You know, when I talk to girls, they made it pretty obvious.
	So.
	What makes it obvious?
	If I'm, if I approach her, I'm about to ask her out.
	And, you know, she's just not engaged in the conversation or looking away or whatever.
	She's like, okay, I'm not going to ask you out then.
	You know?
	That's about it.
	Andrew, I got a question for you.
	Do you want to get with a woman who is a virgin?
	Does she have to be a virgin?
	Well, she doesn't have to be, but it's preferable.
	Yeah.
	Are you a virgin?
	I am.
	Yes.
	Nice.
	So would you date somebody or proceed with somebody who is like born again or has found a leader, like had a promiscuous past?
	No deal.
	I mean, what about like she's been with like 50 dudes?
	100 dudes.
	Yeah, that's a no.
	Okay, straight up.
	But she's repented and she's found Jesus.
	Yeah.
	Still probably no, bro.
	It depends, bro.
	Like, I don't know.
	I'd have to meet her, you know?
	Would you even have that conversation with her if she didn't give you any like red flags to think that she had been with like sexual history would probably come up.
	You know?
	Okay, all right, all right.
	Let me do that.
	Let me lay out.
	And so do Boyce.
	Yeah, let me lay out a scenario for you.
	You start talking to a chick.
	She's awesome.
	Loves Jesus.
	Super cool woman.
	And you guys are a few dates in.
	And you're like, you're really pumped.
	Like, you're like, yo, I might have just found my wife.
	And then like a few weeks in, she drops the bomb.
	I've slept with 60 dudes.
	But I'm.
	No.
	Yeah, I'm right there with you.
	You know, if I got a direct command from God, if I got a direct command from God, like in the book of Hosea, then yeah, I would do it.
	But other than that, there's no way, bro.
	No way.
	Real.
	What's, Chase, you're not a virgin, but you're waiting until marriage now.
	Correct?
	I'm continuing to do my best to maintain abstinence.
	Was there a... Cryptic.
	There was a break.
	Cryptic.
	I have... I will say... I will say... Say it.
	I am not above temptation.
	No, Chase.
	It's over.
	It's over.
	It's so over.
	It is over.
	So to get into context, Bachelor days.
	My understanding, the last time you were on or in previous shows you were on, you had been celibate for two years, two and a half years, three years.
	Three years.
	No longer.
	Chase, are you saying that you, hold on, you broke your celibacy?
	Chase?
	I fell into temptation, bro.
	Chase.
	Oh, my goodness.
	She was tempted.
	Chase, I'm...
	How does Andrew feel about this?
	I'm not mad.
	I'm just disappointed.
	Yeah, Andrew.
	Did you repent home?
	You think you're the only one, bro?
	I knew I would have to own this coming on today, and I'm humble enough to own it.
	But yeah, I'm disappointed too.
	It sucks, man.
	So what's the process like now?
	What's the process like now?
	Healthy communication, continuing to do my best to maintain self-control and honor God with my body.
	So I'm assuming this is you and your fiancé.
	I don't have a fiancé.
	Oh, sorry.
	I thought that's what you said.
	Are you plugged into a church?
	Yes, somewhat.
	Not as much as I should be, though.
	Yeah, bro.
	I'm telling you, once you get plugged into a church, you get some accountability with men that are, you know, are going to help you out along the way.
	So you said responsibility.
	Yep, yep.
	I need that in my life.
	Did you dump her?
	What?
	Did you dump her after you slept with her?
	No.
	He's still with her.
	Are you cherished?
	She's just the same girl.
	All right, this conversation's over.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	I'm a little heartbroken.
	I am heartbroken.
	But okay, all right.
	Moving on.
	Moving on.
	I'm going to get roasted in the chat for you.
	No.
	I'm going to get roasted.
	Don't forget to love yourself.
	We all stray from time to time.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How did we get there?
	Icks.
	I always throw my peer hearing out a window.
	Oh, is there an update?
	Did the guy respond?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Into the mic if you can.
	He said, chilling at Jacob's.
	And I said, I've kind of started to get a crush on you.
	Would you ever want to hook up?
	Okay.
	What did he say?
	Did he respond to that?
	No, he hasn't opened it.
	No.
	Mike dropped.
	Do you think he's watching the show though?
	Do you think he's watching the show?
	No, he doesn't even.
	They don't know we're here.
	Oh, okay.
	I feel like if somebody did that to me, then they were like, just kidding, I would, like, it would break you.
	Not like break me unless I really, really, really liked them, but that might hurt my feelings.
	Okay.
	Well, that's interesting.
	So, Wendy, also in your messages to us, you said, and I quote, guys, literally.
	You're blaming on blast.
	Guys literally aren't shit.
	LOL.
	But yes, topics about cheating.
	So guys aren't shit.
	Guys literally aren't shit.
	Literally.
	No.
	Or figuratively, it's confusing.
	So.
	I didn't want to be too rude.
	When you say guys literally aren't shit, or guys aren't shit, what do you mean?
	They be fucking up?
	Are men fucking up?
	Is that what you're trying to say?
	They be fucking up.
	They be cheating.
	Maybe literally like dogs.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	For my, like.
	What about, like, so, okay, there's obviously I don't think, you know, what happened with the ex and the cheating, that's certainly not acceptable in a relationship.
	What about just your encounters with single men when you've been single?
	Are you encountering?
	When I'm single and they're single, it's just like, I don't care what you do.
	It's just because we're not committed yet, you know?
	Like, that's what I think.
	When I'm in a relationship, I'm committed to that person.
	But when I'm single, it's just like, I'm not, I know that they're going to do whatever they're going to do, and I don't have a say in it, you know?
	When does, when does, I'm sorry, can I ask her a question?
	Sure.
	I just want to know, like, when you say, like, once you're committed, does the conversation occur?
	Like, because I know, like, dating for your age and dating for, like, probably my age is similar, but very, very different, right?
	So, like, do you say specifically, we are in a committed relationship now, we are no longer seeing anyone else?
	Or is it just a vibe?
	It's just like, um, we both know, you know, like, he wouldn't want me to be like going with him and then going with someone else, like, when we're together, you know?
	Or like, just in general, me being in a relationship and just like texting other guys, like, I wouldn't want him to be doing that, you know?
	Because for me, when I actually get in a relationship, I give him like, that's like my awe, but kind of.
	Because I don't really be like pushing forward relationship.
	Like, I don't really, like, it's not, it's not like, I don't know, it's not really my type to like be in a relationship.
	And when once I am in one, it's like, wow, like, you know, like.
	Okay.
	I have a couple questions on this.
	So you will not initiate the relationship conversation.
	You want the guy to initiate the conversation.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Well, how many of you feel the same way?
	I don't care, I guess.
	I think it should be the woman who initiates that conversation.
	But I think it might like dating it more.
	More like a vibe.
	Older, I think there's more of a vibe and then there's a conversation.
	Like, I think, like, you understand that when you're-mutual understanding.
	Yeah, when you're dating in your 40s.
	I think that's dangerous, though.
	It is.
	And then I think you have to ask.
	I asked in one of the long-term dating I like I did do after my divorce, and he was like, of course, and it was kind of like I was stupid for asking, but I wanted to make sure because I it was dangerous right, like that's how a lot of people know that the dating apps are down and I want to know that, like the conversations prior to me are over, does that make sense?
	And that's why I asked her if there was a conversation or a vibe.
	I definitely think like, if you, there should be no questions.
	I think there ought to be and I mean this is if, if you think that this is your boyfriend or girlfriend, you should certainly be capable of having the conversation about exclusivity.
	I mean, that's, if you're sleeping together.
	You need to be able to relationship, to be able to communicate with each other.
	I do think that there should be an overt conversation about, hey, we're just seeing each other, we're exclusive, because I think a lot of people can sometimes get confused or think they're in a relationship when they're not, and it could go both ways, I mean.
	But some girls think that they're exclusive with a guy and he's like, nope, like I'm still seeing other people, like.
	So I think it is important to have that overt conversation.
	So, and the other thing you were saying was, so what about you're talking about when?
	Well, if we're not in a relationship yet, he's gonna be with other.
	He might, I don't care, we're not exclusive.
	Fine, he's gonna do his thing.
	What about you?
	Are you seeing other guys during this period?
	Like, do you have a roster right now?
	What's the situation?
	You got a roster?
	No, I don't have a roster.
	No, it's just like for me um, I don't know if it's just other people, but I don't.
	I'm not really like like a sexual person.
	I'm not really like a dating person.
	I don't know like, it's just always been like that my whole life.
	You're not a sexual person or a dating person.
	So yeah, like I don't really need to do it.
	You know, like like other people, like I know other people.
	Oh, that's why he cheated on you.
	Then, of course, oh my god no, like when I'm in a relationship yeah, like it's a different story.
	Like I'm talking like um, like when I'm talking to people, like I don't need like, like when I'm single like, right you, it's not okay.
	I think it's not.
	Like I'm a hound dog.
	You know, like she has to go get it right.
	You're not pressed to get laid.
	Okay sure sure, I feel like I thought you meant you were not sexual within a monogamous relationship.
	No like, when I'm in a relationship, it's good, it's good oh, it's game over.
	Okay, it's game over.
	But so uh, right now you're single.
	Come on, there's a guy, there's some guy in the picture right, a little thing, a little ting.
	Hey no skin no, I'm kidding, you got crushed, or I have one one crush.
	Yeah, but say his name publicly.
	No, just kidding.
	No, are you gonna make it to this cool?
	I can't.
	No, a lot of people watch it.
	So, you guys, what's the extent of your guys's?
	Um if like, I go to like, it's like because I go to a party over here in IV yeah, with my friends sometimes, like mostly all the time.
	And then um, I was gonna say sometimes, when I know it's, Or I go to Rockfire just to like, just drink with my friends, or like, whatever.
	And then like once he was, I met him, he's just like a security.
	I'm gonna say from who?
	Well, he's a security from some party.
	And just one day I was just really getting angry at my friends.
	They were just all drunk.
	I was the only one sober getting care of Look.
	You can imagine just a group of people that were just drunk.
	And then he just comes and says, if you want, so it's too late, like, so you don't have to get Uber.
	You could come to Miles.
	You could sleep on the couch, like, trying to be nice, you know?
	Really?
	Quote-unquote, trying to be nice.
	I know, quote-unquote.
	And then, yeah, after that, I just like, I see him.
	So, did you end up crashing on his couch or in his bed?
	Bust him!
	Yeah, how often do you see him?
	I will say, like, about like once a week, I think, or two.
	Is this a sneaky link?
	Yeah, type.
	Like, he literally told me that whenever I don't want to go home from, or like, I'm coming back from a party, I could just like go to his house whenever I want.
	Do you spend the night or do you dip after the deed is done?
	Oh, I spend the night.
	Okay, all right.
	Have you heard back from dude?
	No, let me look.
	No, it's still sent.
	I'm pretty sure he's.
	He's probably not going to answer me.
	Huh.
	Okay, maybe he knows you're on the show.
	What about you?
	Do you have a roster right now?
	What's into the microphone?
	No comment.
	Come on, give us the details.
	That's a details.
	Uh-oh.
	Uh-oh.
	I don't know.
	The truth comes in.
	What do you want?
	So, are you like seeing and is there?
	Do you have a main piece and some side pieces?
	You got one main, what, three main pieces?
	Yeah, there's like one guy I like more than the other 12.
	The other how many?
	Oh, no.
	No.
	Like, there's like three.
	Like three?
	Or definitely three?
	Like, definitely three.
	Okay.
	Maybe, definitely three.
	Maybe four.
	Is there a fourth one in there?
	No.
	Three.
	And so are you going on dates with all three of them?
	One of the guys, yeah.
	One of them, but like we both know that it's not a relationship.
	Oh, okay.
	And what about the other two?
	Does one of them think it's a relationship?
	No.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't, after being cheated on, I'd never cheat on someone else.
	Okay.
	But no, the other guys are just guys that I talk to or like I see at parties sometimes.
	Okay.
	Can I ask?
	Like what's the point?
	I mean, I don't know.
	Like one of the guys I like, but I just don't want to be in a relationship.
	And then I don't see him like that often because he doesn't live here.
	And then the other guys I don't know well enough.
	Yeah.
	Like I'm just getting to know them, I guess.
	Wait, so you say you talk, but like, so are you hooking up with all three of them?
	No.
	Have you hooked up with all three of them?
	Just one of them and then the other two you one of them I haven't at all and then one of them like not sex.
	Like just like I've got with them.
	Yeah.
	Casually dating then.
	Yeah.
	Just saying, that's okay.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Good times, but people nowadays, I guess, have rosters.
	She's got a roster.
	That's not a roster.
	Three dudes.
	That's not a roster.
	No, I think it's a good idea.
	No, well, she's just saying that she's like casually dating.
	Yeah.
	She's not like sleeping with them, like committing to.
	I guess once you've got these homies on rotation, that's a roster, my friend.
	I feel like at that age as well, I'm not saying like at that age or anything, but it's kind of nice to learn how to date and like how to ask what you want or see what you like.
	Erroneous.
	Erroneous.
	But as long as you're just not like cheating.
	Yeah.
	Like spreading yourself like that much, like even just sexually, if you're not looking for that.
	Do they know about each other?
	If they don't need to know about each other.
	They know that I'm missing other people.
	That's like that I don't know.
	I think that's what I'm understanding.
	You're just like seeing if you're casually.
	No, I know people that have like rosters on dating apps.
	They keep like a spreadsheet.
	A spreadsheet on dating apps.
	I don't know about mitch.com.
	I'm not mitch.com.
	I think it's the whole thing with a roster, I think it's pretty easy to date one person at a time.
	You know, it's not that hard.
	It's not.
	I think that's, and if you want to find a relationship, I think that's probably the best way.
	Date one person at a time.
	But the question is, do you want to find a relationship?
	I do, but I got so lost in my last relationship that, like, this is just, I have borderline personality disorder, so I get something called my favorite person.
	So when I go into like that, like everything, like my mood, everything depends on how they feel, and then it throws me off a lot.
	You saying you have it too?
	You got it too?
	Yeah, that's why.
	Two friends with borderline personality disorder.
	I've been diagnosed.
	Wait, what?
	It's not quite colour.
	Oh, you're a part of a podcast with you.
	It's called How to Date Somebody with Borderline Personality Disorder and saying how it is so possible to have like a good, genuine production.
	Yeah, it's not a productive relationship.
	That's a tough one.
	Yeah, it's just like after being in a relationship for some, and I was diagnosed like halfway through my relationship, so I didn't even know at the beginning like what was happening, what was going on.
	And then once I was diagnosed, like I was able to work with it.
	But coming from that, like I need to be like by myself emotionally.
	Like I don't feel like I can get connected enough to a person to where I can give myself to them without losing myself.
	So that's kind of like why I'm just getting to know people, feeling everything out, like seeing stuff like that.
	Because if I were to be in a committed relationship, I would lose myself right now.
	Do you get really, when you find a guy you like, you really like him?
	Like you're almost obsessed.
	Or not really?
	I mean, I never really got...
	Oh, sorry.
	I never really got with like the obsessive kind of thing.
	It was more so just like, in a way, you could say that like I was like, he would be upset and then I would be upset.
	He would be mad at me and I'd like freak out.
	Like I would be like, oh my gosh, I don't append it.
	Well, it would be like I would actually like spiral, like lose it.
	Smack him around a little bit.
	No, like it wasn't like that.
	Like I would get upset with myself for like making him upset.
	Or like he would cheat on me and then he would get upset that I found out and then he would get really mad at me and then I would take his like feeling mad or upset and I would put that onto myself because like how dare you find out actually that makes sense on why she's so afraid of giving up the 50-50.
	Yeah, because it makes so much more sense now because she's afraid of losing herself entirely into somebody else.
	So if she gives that extra 50% or even an extra 10 or 20%, she could lose herself entirely.
	I dated a girl who had borderline personality disorder.
	How'd that go?
	You did?
	It was turbulent.
	It was turbulent.
	Yeah, that's the whole thing.
	But intense.
	Yes.
	Like intense.
	Yeah, let's hear your love story now.
	Oh, not yours.
	How did that end?
	It might have manifested itself differently than you because for her it was like obsession.
	Like any for it was intense.
	Okay.
	Like crazy obsession.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's saying like watching you when you're like sleeping to make sure you're sleeping.
	Not like a creepy thing, but just like really like because I think a lot of people play it kind of cool when it comes to dating.
	You know, they're a little maybe they're a little laid off.
	What's that?
	Aloof.
	Yeah, kind of aloof is a good word.
	Kind of nonchalant when it comes to dating.
	People aren't like upfront, super overt, like, oh my God, like I really like.
	She came on strong.
	Super strong.
	I don't know if that's called love bombing.
	I don't know if that's a term.
	Yeah, we did do that a little bit.
	I do.
	Yeah, lovely.
	You do that a little bit.
	Oh, yeah.
	Narcissism.
	So on one hand, it can be like kind of intoxicating in the sense of like, whoa.
	Like, damn, she's into me.
	It's sweet.
	But also, yeah, and then it gets intense.
	Like, then it's like an argument.
	Borderline personality and narcissism usually co-and usually a bunch of guys that like see a girl that's like that.
	They like use it as like their advantage by saying like, oh wow, like she will do anything for me.
	I forgot what that fucking means, bruv.
	I can tell you what I mean by that.
	What are you saying, Nick?
	What is that hand signal?
	Nick, what's up?
	Oh, okay, okay.
	Sorry, it's been a minute since just like wide angle as well.
	That means you have to say that.
	It's good.
	Go ahead.
	Well, okay, so have you seen Meet the Parents with Roberts and Nero?
	Yes.
	Ben Stiller.
	It's hilarious.
	Me and Nick set up this hand gesture thing.
	So in Meet the Parents.
	Or is it Meet the Falklands?
	You go like this, and it means you got to use the bathroom.
	It's when they were teaching the baby sounds.
	Teaching the baby sounds.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And so Nick, and then Nick started doing it like three months for the first time ever.
	I was like, what the fuck are you doing, Nick?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Wait, so you're bipolar.
	How does that manifest itself?
	Mood swings.
	Like she says.
	Have you ever slashed a dude's tires?
	What are we talking here?
	No.
	No.
	I'm talking about like the same thing that she was saying.
	Like when he will get angry, I'll be angry.
	Or like, my whole mood would just change.
	Okay.
	Or like, I just, well, for me, I be like, I become, once I'm angry, I stay angry.
	Like, she's seen it.
	Like, I, like, once I'm angry, like, that's it.
	Like, I'm just angry for a while until I get out of it.
	But it takes for me to get out.
	I don't know why.
	It's just like.
	Just like most women, to be honest.
	I was like that when I was younger.
	And as I grew older, I know I think it's true.
	Yeah, I heard that.
	Just being young and not really knowing where you stand.
	She's digging that.
	I don't think you have to do with that emotion.
	I agree completely with you.
	I think that.
	My pimp was borderline.
	If I was you guys.
	What is borderline personality?
	Don't even bother because until you like do someone.
	So for me, I disassociate.
	So like.
	You have it too?
	I do.
	Okay.
	I was recently diagnosed with it actually this last summer.
	So for me, I disassociate.
	So especially when I first started in the adult industry, I would like almost like check out and to a different personality.
	And a different personality would then take on the adult role that I was doing.
	And then me, like, that's sitting here, would have no recollection or no memory of what actually happened.
	So I would see it on film or on like whatever.
	And I'd be like, I have no memory of that.
	Isn't that more of just a trauma response?
	I don't know if you're not.
	If you're going through something shifts, at different stages, you disassociate so you can market yourself.
	So you can detect the trauma.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	How does that correlate to the BPD?
	So I have different personalities that take over during.
	Sorry, I have different personalities that take over during those instances.
	So I don't just disassociate in like, but like, I have other names for different people.
	Here's a couple of non-traumatic situations.
	Yes, that makes sense.
	So fear of abandonment, unstable relationships, unclear or shifting self-image, impulsive, self-destructive behaviors, extreme emotional swings, chronic feelings of emptiness, explosive anger.
	Yeah.
	That's just a hug you guys.
	I want to say something, and I really, I don't want to sound offensive, but I honestly feel like a lot of those things you listed off are like the product of the times.
	Like, unfortunately, and for sure, there are, you know, checks and balances that you can go through to be properly diagnosed.
	But I also see a generation that are persistently self-IDing themselves with many things from mental health conditions, trans stuff, whatever it may be.
	And unfortunately, I think that a lot of these underlying symptoms are just a product of the times.
	And unfortunately, this world that we live in.
	I mean, I feel like you saying that does kind of suck because it does kind of feel like invalidating because I went through all the steps to be diagnosed.
	I like in and out of mental hospitals, like a very self-destructive behavior, which I know we can't talk about, but so hearing you say that, and like I do get it because a lot of people do self-diagnose.
	That's why I said self-ID specifically, right?
	And that's why I said it's different when you go through checks and balances, like which is your story.
	I'm talking more so specifically to those lists of symptoms that he read off.
	And to somebody who actually has it, I'm sure that manifests in such terrible ways that I can't even begin to imagine.
	But I think on a low level, a lot of people probably would read that and be like, hey, I'm that.
	And we are seeing a huge incidence of people self-IDing in this day and age.
	Well, I was watching one of your episodes recently, and a girl was like, I thought it was ironic.
	She goes, I have ADHD really bad.
	But I kind of made a joke out of it because whoever has ADHD, just a little.
	Like, nobody ever says, like, I have ADHD just a little bit.
	Like, it's always so inflated and it's always so exaggerated.
	And we are a generation, like, it is a generation of kids with ADHD and autism and all of these identifications.
	And it is.
	Like, I think it needs to be more diagnostic versus just a list of symptoms that we can Google.
	Google allergy, like, I call it people's Google MD, you know, like you can Google a sore throat and now all of a sudden throat cancer.
	Like, you know, like, it's just a, it's a downward spiral of disaster.
	What is the solution to all these psychological conditions?
	Because, you know, the pharmaceutical industry thinks it's just, you know, take some pills.
	But I think this is a highly spiritual issue.
	We are spiritual beings.
	And I think the consequences of sin, I really think that's what's going on.
	I think, you know, whenever you disobey God, you're sexually immoral, you sleep around a lot.
	That has spiritual ramifications upon your life.
	And those spiritual ramifications have biological ramifications.
	So you get these chemical imbalances in your brain.
	You get depression.
	You get bipolar because of the spiritual state that you're in.
	That's what I believe.
	But Christ, Christ can renew your mind.
	He can fix that.
	Amen.
	If you simply bow the knee to him, you know, I'm not saying it's going to happen instantly.
	It's called sanctification.
	It's growing in Christ, growing to be more like him.
	You know, it's a process, but you know, when Jesus said he used the language of being born again, that's truly what happens.
	You're a new creation, old things pass away, and all things become new.
	It's happened to me.
	I believe he can testify the same thing.
	It's happened to him.
	You know, I don't think the same way that I used to, I don't desire the same things that I used to desire.
	And it's because Christ lives in me.
	I also personally don't struggle with the same things that I used to struggle before I knew Jesus.
	So can you share an example?
	Wait, hold on one second.
	Hold on one second.
	Question for you.
	Do you think that the trauma that you experienced as a girl with your dad and stuff might have contributed to developing BPD?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So to go back to your question, how we can fix this: Jesus Christ, societal return to Jesus Christ, and fixing the broken families, which comes down to men fixing themselves, women fixing themselves, pursuing Jesus, having awesome families where men actually love their daughters and actually protect them.
	That's my opinion on how we fix this.
	And I think that's who starts from.
	What'd you say?
	Who sinned, respectively?
	Who sinned?
	Because her father did not fulfill what he needed to do as a father.
	So, how does she respond to that?
	Because she needs empathy and compassion and love.
	No, turn to Christ.
	Through Jesus Christ.
	And I'm talking about God's love.
	Yeah, amen.
	Because the ladies in our home, many of them have different issues, and I've had my own personally.
	And the love that was given to me by different people in my life, and of course, the love centered on God and Jesus, has completely changed my life and my thinking.
	And when I start spiraling, because I understand what you ladies are saying, I totally get it.
	That's actually me.
	Slam Jackson donated $200.
	One common trait I've seen between most sex workers is they have trauma.
	Fellas, stay in your daughters' lives.
	Amen.
	Absolutely.
	If you look statistically, it's an extremely high number of trauma-based in the industry that we're in.
	100%.
	But fathers keep their daughters off the stripper pole and their sons out of prison.
	Go ahead.
	By loving their children.
	That's how.
	Yeah, because I did write a subject about like, does like this childhood trauma affect like the way we become as an adult, you know?
	And 1,000%.
	And then it is like the fault, like it's a bunch of like, it is mostly a lot is cases that I did was the father wasn't present and it was just the kid was not in the right environment and then not being in the right environment chose them to like either be in jail or like just just become like a surfer, you know?
	It has a massive, massive impact on people.
	You know, the way a person does or doesn't receive love from their parent when they're a kid has a massive impact on their internalization of self-worth, whether or not they feel lovable, self-image.
	It's the reason why so many women who have been abused as children end up in these industries.
	There's no question about it.
	I can speak personally to it.
	Like we live in a society of people with daddy issues.
	Everybody's got daddy issues.
	A lot of people also have mommy issues.
	I am someone who had somewhat still struggles with daddy issues.
	My biological father has completely ignored my existence for my entire life.
	And for a long time, to continue this thread of how Jesus heals these things, for a long time, I internalized that as like, I am not worthy of love.
	Like I am a human being who is not worthy of love from the Father.
	To continue the thread with what we've been saying about God, like the way we heal those wounds as people, you know, what Andrew was saying with respect to healing your wounds, your bipolar disorder, so on and so forth.
	Like my healing that I did in relation to my dad, it was through finding the love of my heavenly father, you know, like knowing that my heaven, my father in heaven, actually loves me unconditionally, even though my biological father doesn't.
	Like that was huge for me.
	And diving into that and understanding that like healed everything for me.
	You know, self-esteem comes from doing esteemable things, and women can do esteemable things in and outside of the industry.
	I would disagree with that.
	I don't think there's anything esteemable about prostitution, to be honest with you.
	This is just the way God regards it.
	It's an abomination to him.
	But that doesn't mean you can't be an esteemable person, though, if you repent of it.
	Yeah, if you repent, the call goes out to everybody.
	The prostitutes, the whores, you know, the people.
	Christ did not come for good people.
	There's nobody good.
	He came for the jacked up people.
	That's you and me.
	So let me just share a couple verses with you.
	It's Romans 12, 1 and 2.
	Paul's writing to the church at Rome and he says, I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, for this is your spiritual worship.
	And he says, Do not be conformed to this world.
	That's everything we're talking about, right?
	All the problems, the lusts of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, the pride of life.
	Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind that by testing, you may be able to discern what is the will of God.
	Mike dropped.
	Beautiful for you to believe.
	Beautiful for you to believe.
	Thank you.
	Not everybody subscribes to that teaching, that Bible, that book.
	People operate outside of that book.
	They operate absolutely.
	No, they're not wrong.
	You're wrong for saying that other people are wrong.
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	You're judging other people.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Why are you judging other people?
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	That's self-righteous and pompous and bigotry.
	I thought only I could judge too.
	One second, one second, one second, one second.
	Let me mediate here.
	You said earlier in the conversation you love Jesus, correct?
	I do.
	Jesus said, if you love me, you will keep my commands.
	I love all people.
	But hold on.
	You said you love Jesus.
	I don't judge people.
	Hold on, though.
	I love what Jesus stands for.
	Okay, what Jesus stands for is telling people to turn away from sin, though.
	Well, then I'm incorrect.
	You can't be surprised.
	No, I thought what Jesus was spreading love.
	I thought what Jesus stood for is that you're all going to sin.
	Yes.
	You're going to sin.
	You're going to make mistakes.
	And I'm coming here to shed, like, isn't it that he comes here to shed his blood because we're all sinners?
	So he makes a great sacrifice for us.
	And that doesn't mean that you get to sit here and be like, oh, well, he did that.
	So now I'm just going to be a piece of shit.
	But he's like, no, you're going to keep sinning in one way or another, even if it's like a little one or a big one, probably until the day you die.
	And that's why I came here for you.
	I thought that was his.
	Yes, he did.
	Hold on.
	He did give his life.
	He shed his blood on the cross to pay for our sins so that, you know, it says in the Bible that the wages of sin are death, right?
	Everybody who sins, they deserve technically to go to hell in God's eyes.
	Christ gave his life so that he could pay the sacrifice for our sins.
	And if we believe in him and repent of our sins and have faith in his resurrection, then we can go to heaven.
	But to continue willingly sinning, to choose to sin, it's a rejection of his sacrifice.
	The way I look at it, it kind of like spits in his face almost.
	That is totally understandable.
	My only concern is like, with the utmost respect to you both, is like, who are you to make that judgment if somebody's, you know what I mean?
	I'm not worthy of judging anybody.
	Or like when you're doing it wrong, you know?
	But like, how do you know?
	But on an individual level, can't you say, well, maybe this isn't good for you.
	Maybe this isn't good for society.
	On which aspect?
	I'm sorry.
	Well, you're...
	I just, when she said, so she had said something like, not everyone subscribes to the book, right?
	We were talking about just like subscribes to the exact religion.
	Okay.
	And he said, well, then they're doing it wrong.
	It's like, but what if that person just has like a higher power?
	They believe in God, but maybe they don't quite understand like the Bible.
	Who are we to say that they're doing it wrong?
	Maybe they're right on God's path.
	Well, there's probably secular.
	There's probably secular arguments that you can make against prostitution too.
	I'm not an evangelist.
	And I don't have those same beliefs as you do.
	And I'm never going to win.
	To answer your question, who are we to judge?
	Hold on one second.
	Hold on one second.
	To answer your question, who are we to judge?
	Andrew and I are not qualified to judge.
	Like, I will be the first to admit I'm not qualified to judge another person because I'm not God.
	I don't know.
	Like, I'm grateful to have heard your guys' life stories because it makes sense why you've gone down the path that you've gone down.
	Like, I can't judge that because I didn't go through it.
	Our only job is not to judge, but to share what the Word of God says because the Word of God leads people to heaven.
	I want you guys to have heaven.
	Okay, so you're not saying like, oh, what you're thinking is wrong.
	Like, you're just sharing that, like, that's how it resonates with you.
	No, what I'm saying is within God's eyes, it's wrong.
	Sorry.
	It's wrong within God's eyes.
	That's what we're saying.
	I'm going to say, can I say one thing?
	Go ahead.
	There's a fine line with this because if you guys remember in Matthew 21, 31, Jesus was a Pharisee and tax collectors.
	Bro, what?
	Okay, within heaven, bro.
	We're moving on.
	We're moving on.
	So I'm just saying we can't judge people too.
	We have to say that.
	We can't hear you.
	We can't hear you.
	You got to speak into the mic.
	If you are going to speak, you got to speak into the mic.
	We can't judge people.
	We have to bring what we believe in the right way.
	Are we allowed to speak?
	We are inescapable.
	Yeah, we are all.
	I'm talking about the way that you're in judgment, though.
	Yeah, the way that you spoke to Amy.
	I think they were pretty polite, to be honest.
	Well, because, listen, did you hear her background?
	Yes, but to stop her making excuses for myself.
	I'm going to get really upset right now.
	Because listen, you guys do not know how to speak to someone that's been in the sex industry with all due respect.
	You don't understand what these ladies are.
	And we've offered you Christ.
	We've offered you a lot of people.
	And when you understand what that looks like to a woman, what love looks like?
	Since they've been so hurt and so bashed by men in their lives, she's not going to receive it.
	Do you see that she's receiving what you're saying?
	It's not up to me.
	I'm getting upset because you don't understand her.
	No, I don't.
	God sees her heart.
	She does love Jesus for what she knows.
	That may be true.
	Let her figure it out.
	Don't bash her with the Bible.
	We're trying to help her.
	I think there's miscommunication, but I totally understand why.
	And it's not just about you guys here.
	It's for this platform.
	Think about it.
	They have a platform with like thousands of people watching right now.
	So it's not just for you guys, but the influence and what that they want to impart on the people who we hear.
	It's not just about, like, I understand what you're saying.
	I do agree that they've actually been pretty empathetic towards the whole situation, but I can totally also see how it's very triggering and why that would cause a lot of intense emotions to come up.
	But it's really, it's not just about you guys, it's for the platform as well.
	I encourage you to keep doing what you're doing because hopefully your word will make men stronger and make them stand up and be the men that women need them to be.
	And that will allow women to be submissive and to want to follow.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	Does that make sense?
	Like, so I'm in completely encouragement of what you're spreading.
	And I agree.
	I think you've been very respectful.
	And I just want to say thank you to so much, seriously, for sharing your story.
	It's really crazy to think of everything that you've been through, the fact you're still sitting here right now.
	And what I would really just hope more than anything is this goes out as some type of a message to maybe younger girls who are getting into the sex work industry.
	You have both been through so much and you are a product of the circumstances that you've been through and you've tried to make the most of that.
	And I have respect for you for that reason.
	But I just really hope that this can serve as an example for some of the younger girls that like this isn't the road that you want to ultimately go down.
	I'm going to say one last thing about it and then we can move on because I know Brian's fed up with the religious talk.
	Look, Andrew and I are in no way authorized to tell anybody who's going to heaven or hell because that's not our judgment.
	We can tell you what God says about that.
	The thing Jesus did with the woman at the well, he told her, eternal life is in me, go and sin no more.
	All Andrew and I are trying to do is say, eternal life is in Christ, go and sin no more.
	That's it.
	We're not qualified to judge your lives.
	No one's asked me if you're not going to be able to do that.
	I'm not going to talk about me falling in love.
	That's good.
	Okay, for the first time in my life.
	Fall in love with Jesus.
	She'll win on that one, girl.
	You fall in love with him.
	Fall in love with him because he's perfect and they're not.
	Straight up.
	Ask her dating questions.
	She's ready, is what she's saying.
	She's ready for the dating.
	I don't even know what the fuck is going on.
	Trigger.
	You look underwhelmed.
	I don't know why I'm coming up.
	Good times.
	All right.
	I love everybody.
	Wait, yes, I'm not going to be able to do it.
	You're Annie, right?
	Annie, someone left a chat for you, too.
	They did.
	Yeah, okay, we'll read that one.
	Wait, isn't your organization called Isn't it Jesus for Hookers?
	Hookers for Jesus.
	Oh, Jesus.
	And it means it's official.
	Jesus for hookers.
	It's official.
	Hookers for Jesus.
	Yeah.
	I would actually like to propose, since we're talking about this, a couple other nonprofit organization names.
	What about, what do you guys think about Atheists for Jesus?
	That's a good one.
	I like that one.
	But I think it'd be more like Jesus for atheists.
	That'd probably be mental health for Jesus.
	I actually do think there's like an organization that's like they're atheist, but they like Jesus was so fucking dope that they love the society.
	No, like they love a fairy tale of him.
	They don't like have a framework for believing in God, but they're like, Jesus's teachings were fucking lit.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no, no, but they're like, this is some, it's some good shit.
	Yeah, don't worry about it.
	It doesn't make sense.
	It results in societal function.
	So, okay.
	So, you know, I didn't just use Jesus and dope in the same sentence.
	All right, let me do a couple chats here.
	Hi, Annie.
	God bless you.
	Appreciate you've been following forever.
	Hi, Chase.
	Question for the panel.
	What is a woman's purpose?
	What are some things women should build in themselves before dating?
	Question.
	You know, I think before the men answer, I'd love to hear the women answer it.
	Can you repeat it one more time?
	What is a woman's purpose?
	Yep.
	And what are some things women should build in themselves before dating?
	Okay, so I'm working on a lot of people.
	Let's start with you, and then we'll go all the way.
	We'll try to have everyone answer.
	If you can be brief with your answers, go ahead.
	What is a woman's purpose?
	Start with that.
	I have no comment.
	That's fine.
	If you just, nothing comes to mind, that's fine.
	Blank, I don't know.
	Blanked.
	Okay.
	Well, people can have their own individual purpose, and then you can share a common purpose with the greater of all women.
	So I don't know.
	It really just depends what your personal purpose is.
	And then me, I'm trying to just like heal.
	You know, I'm trying to heal a lot of stuff.
	I'm trying to, I'm going to school, so I want to get into my career and heal.
	And I'm doing a lot of research on dating because I haven't really dated before.
	So I'm trying to learn like what is dating?
	What's like the appropriate protocol.
	I'm also not sleeping with anybody and just kind of like working on myself.
	So that's what I'm going to be doing before I start dating.
	That's good.
	I think a woman's purpose is to have children.
	And I think to be the nurturer in the household of relationship, if she can't have children, then be an active aunt, you know, what have you in the family.
	And then to really be, I think, a good person in a relationship.
	I think you have to know your own boundaries and have firm boundaries and know where you stand on things.
	And just, like she said, heal.
	Like you have to heal through or have somebody that's willing to work on healing with you and get through those things together.
	So those are.
	Amy, what about you?
	I think a woman's purpose, and it has changed, by the way.
	I used to think a different thing.
	But she is a man's helpmate.
	And she is the queen of the household.
	He is the king.
	And they lead the kingdom together.
	And they both love God with all their heart.
	Amen.
	That's good.
	Amen.
	Amy, what would you say to the second question?
	What are some things women should build in themselves before dating?
	What does it say?
	What are some things women should build?
	Well, first of all, I mean, there's many things, but for me personally, when I started dating Oz, I was celibate for four years.
	And it's because I was so broken in my relationships that I could not figure out how to be attractive to a man besides my sexuality.
	So I focused on my healing.
	And when my healing came, that was so attractive to my husband.
	It turned him on so much that I was such a strong woman that I knew who I was in Christ.
	He fell for me.
	Like, you can ask him yourself, like, very fast and didn't tell me.
	But I knew he was the one.
	And he knew I was the one.
	That's awesome.
	He loved what I was doing too.
	He loved that I was helping women.
	Air Force Amy, what would you say a woman's purpose is?
	To nurture, guide, lead, support.
	Love, love, love.
	I like that.
	I believe women should be looking at guiding and nourishing their environment and creating.
	And for like the second question, understand what diligence means and how to be due diligent to yourself and to others.
	Amy?
	Wait, what was the first part of the question?
	What is a woman's purpose?
	A woman's purpose.
	So I would agree with everything that everyone here has said so far.
	I think that when you go through things in your life, you can use that to become your purpose, like God has done with your life.
	And I think that's very beautiful.
	But generally speaking, I agree to be a wife, supporter, nurturer.
	You know, if you're unable to have kids or if that's not the path that you go down, still finding some way to be able to evoke those types of emotions in your life.
	And what you would work on for me has been a lot of emotional intelligence and communication skills as well.
	It's been massive.
	Wonderful.
	So as far as what a woman's purpose is, I would say first and foremost from a Christian perspective, of course, to glorify God.
	God created women to be helpmates to men, to be supportive to them, to partner with them, like she said, a queen to a man who is her king.
	Obviously, also mothers as well.
	What are some things that women should build in themselves before dating?
	You know, I think something no women do, or very few women do, is they ask themselves, what would the kind of man that I want want in a woman?
	I think that's a really, really good question for women to ask themselves.
	And equally, I think it's a good question for men to ask themselves: what would the kind of woman that I want want in a man before dating?
	I think very few people ask themselves that.
	I think what women should work on, cultivating femininity.
	This is something, especially a lot of working women like, you know, that they'll be like super in their masculine.
	It's not super attractive to guys when they're in their masculine.
	Cultivating femininity, learning how to be soft, learning how to, like you guys said, be nurturing and caring.
	I, you know, of course, want a woman who's very godly, who loves Jesus with her whole heart, who lives for him, somebody who's going to be a really good homemaker.
	Like, those are the kind of things that I look for in a woman.
	And a lot of guys do as well.
	You know, like a lot of guys want a woman that's going to be a good wife and be a good mother.
	And understanding what that entails, I think, is important for women.
	Yeah.
	Before dating.
	I mean, women are cultivators.
	You bring home the dough, they turn it into bread.
	You buy a house, they turn it into a home.
	Yes.
	And there's another metaphor or picture of it.
	It's like the guy, the husband, the man, is the one in the jungle chopping down all the forest with a machete, and the woman's coming behind him and cultivating it into a garden, right?
	That's a woman's job.
	She takes a little bit that you give her, she turns it into something beautiful.
	That's awesome.
	And she works best in the context of marriage.
	Yes.
	And submission to one man.
	And submission to one man is actually very liberating because you don't have to go out into the world and submit to every man.
	Yep.
	Well, we do need a lot of men to think like that because that's what we're here for.
	Yeah.
	And not a lot of them know that.
	That's why it's hard for women to actually sit down with a guy because mostly men don't think like that.
	They're all like, oh, like girls are just bitches come and go.
	Like that's how every man that I've came across or just like seen or my friends talk about is that's the only man that's ever brought up.
	I meet a lot of guys that seem like they want to be the woman.
	Yeah, like they're the sassy ones in the relationship, if anything.
	All right, we have another chat here.
	Bender the offender heard an inch.
	Brian, you never answered it.
	Yeah.
	What's your answer, bro?
	My answer, what is a woman's purpose?
	Gotta pump out seven sons.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	Yeah, okay, that's right.
	Fighting for the throne.
	Yeah, let's go, dude.
	No, I mean, what is a woman's purpose?
	Seven sons?
	I guess that's pretty good.
	What is a woman?
	What is a baby machine to Brian?
	I'm being guys.
	Okay, before I get canceled, I'm being facetious here.
	All right.
	Okay, we have Bender the Offender.
	Heard an interesting quote the other day: Women treat social media similarly to how men treat porn.
	What?
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	What do they mean by that?
	Yeah.
	Well, I think because so I'm trying to think how to properly articulate this.
	So men are high from porn.
	Wait, okay, women treat.
	So I think men derive the dopamine hits?
	The dirpamine hits the brain that you get from porn for men is equivalent to women when they get that attention currency official.
	That addiction is true.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Because I think women care more about getting attention.
	But how many women in high school were asked to show a nude picture of stuff to say?
	Yo, Okay, stop, We can't talk about that.
	Can you guys say that?
	It's going to violate the terms of service.
	Like, things that are adjacent to children.
	I'm sorry.
	I just think it starts a lot early on.
	That's okay.
	We just need to not talk about it on YouTube because it can ban the channel.
	Anyways, moving on, you want to hit, uh, we got through both the super chats.
	Yeah, let me get it.
	We don't need to fucking pathologize everything, people.
	All right, Lenny, I appreciate all the red flag votes.
	Now I need to clip it and send it to my future wife.
	Would love to be on the pod, as would my brother.
	IG, Lenny Litz.
	Hey, Lenny, thank you very much.
	Appreciate it, man.
	You got a DM.
	I mean, would love to.
	If you want, you can try to shoot a DM to whatever, but yeah.
	Yeah, dude.
	That's what we call a rejection.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Sorry, going back to my notes, Caitlin, you said, and I don't know if you kind of already went over this, you said you had a crazy ex of three years, broke up 10 plus times.
	I think that's, we didn't hear from that.
	Yes.
	So you broke up 10 plus times, so it was on again, off again.
	Was it mostly him breaking up with you or you breaking up with him?
	I broke up with him every time.
	You always broke up with him.
	Yes.
	And then who would come back to who?
	He would create fake accounts on social media.
	He would call me from his parents' phone, his sister's phone, his friend's phone.
	He had BPD, his sister's emails, until I would break and then give him some sort of attention until he could manipulate.
	And then I would feel like, okay, maybe he's changed.
	And then I was just dumb on that aspect.
	You did that 10 times?
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	Have you learned from it?
	Yes.
	Yeah?
	Yes.
	What have you learned?
	Well, I learned not to take guys back that cheat on me and then manipulate me.
	And I think the first time I'm getting reached out through his sister's email, then that's not good.
	Yeah, that's awesome.
	Although, like, I will say, with the girl I was dating who had BPD, this is going to sound fucking crazy, but like when they're harassing you to that point, it's kind of like when a woman's harassing you that much?
	No, no, not at all.
	But it's kind of easier to get back with them than to continue dealing with the harassment.
	Yeah.
	They're so persistent.
	It's like, it's, okay, they're going to stop.
	I know that sounds fucking crazy.
	No, Worst relationship.
	It was.
	You're not wrong.
	Well, I mean, you need to be steadfast in, no, this is over.
	Leave me the fuck alone.
	But like, I do get when they're just relentless, like, you block them.
	Because for most people, you block them.
	That should be enough.
	But some people, well, with my girl, she'd call from other people's numbers.
	She'd go borrow some random dude's number from the street.
	Who's this?
	What's it?
	That would scare the shit out of me.
	That's me.
	They'd come by your place and shit.
	Gray rock was the best word I ever learned.
	What's that?
	Gray rock.
	Oh, no.
	Gray rock.
	You learn to gray rock, somebody that's like that.
	Neutralizing, like you just, you do that.
	You're a gray rock.
	You literally, like, you just give them nothing.
	You give them nothing.
	You blend into the background.
	You feed nothing because it's difficult.
	And that's not just with borderline personality disorder.
	That's narcissism.
	That's with so many other personality disorders.
	But yeah, gray.
	Once I realized that somebody I was with was a narcissist, I learned gray rocking because it's the love bombing, and that's part of the love bombing.
	They're like, we promise everything will be better.
	And then you're back together and it's the honeymoon for a little while.
	And then you can almost like set your stopwatch to the cycle.
	So, but gray rocking was incredible.
	You just lay back, you block number.
	If an unknown number comes up, you send it to voicemail.
	You block all emails.
	It sounds like there's so many people out there that are like that, though.
	Like, is that like a generational thing, like a generational issue right now?
	Is that a new thing that more people are kind of like that?
	My guy was almost, I mean, I think it's 16 years old when I am in the age cohort.
	There's people that are just relentless and don't won't take no for an answer.
	Yeah.
	Let's see here.
	You say it's rare to have an actual genuine relationship, and I think you said that's what you want, right?
	But I have to ask, though, you got back with him 10 plus times.
	Be honest, was there something exciting about the drama for you?
	Oh, yeah.
	It definitely fed into like the like, well, because there's like so many up and downs.
	Like, it's like the excitement is like so exciting, and it's like so awesome, and it's so happy.
	But then it's also because it's right next to something that's so bad, so it looks amazing.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't know.
	So many women are addicted to the emotional roller coaster, man.
	The worst.
	Well, now I'm not.
	I heard this quote, and it says, You can do anything to a, or you can do anything to a woman but bore her.
	It's real.
	Don't take it.
	Don't take him.
	No, I'm not.
	Like, obviously, you know what I mean?
	I'm just saying, like, for me, if some, there's a lot of things I could think of that I just would not be interested anymore.
	Of course.
	I think it's a generalization.
	Yeah.
	Because I was just kind of laughing.
	I was like, when you had all these problems, did you ever confining your mother for these things?
	Like, is that a common mom everyone ought to mom?
	So, no.
	I went to my mom when my relationship was like heading that way.
	Yeah.
	And she's.
	Was she a MILF, though?
	No.
	Okay, and she told me that.
	I'm trying to wide the mood a little bit here.
	She told you to do what, sorry?
	She told me I hadn't tried hard enough and that I needed to stick with it longer.
	I think we should have trauma dumping.
	Yeah, she is.
	Wait, she okay, okay, okay, okay.
	I'm cool.
	I'm cool.
	Don't worry about it.
	Don't worry about that.
	Steve Casillo, everyone reading should know that Christians will not be married in the afterlife.
	The holy journey is an individual one.
	And when you submit to a man, you do so in Christ commands.
	Thoughts.
	Christ commanded that we must follow in truth and faith.
	My friend, you might just be tuning in.
	You might not have caught it earlier.
	I do want to try to keep things more dating related.
	Thank you for the super chat.
	Thoughts?
	10 seconds from Chase or Andrew on this, but 10 seconds.
	Sometimes I think to myself, man, it would suck to not be married to the FDG.
	That was terrible timing.
	But thank you very much for the 50 gigs.
	So I, yeah, thinking about that, that is one of the things the Bible says that we won't be married in heaven.
	And I think to myself, man, that kind of sucks.
	Because what if you really, really love your spouse and then you're just not married to them in heaven anymore?
	And then I think to myself, maybe God is being, maybe he's giving us grace with that because think about all the people that are in terrible marriages.
	That it would just suck to be in that marriage for eternity.
	Wait, question.
	So, when you die literally forever.
	Oh, till death do us part.
	That's what you say when you get married.
	Do you get remarried in heaven?
	No.
	You can't marriage.
	There's no marriage in heaven.
	It's so happy, you don't need to be married.
	Oh.
	You just love God.
	And you just have the best time ever.
	Can people have sex in heaven?
	There's no sex in heaven, but I don't believe so.
	I think there's something better.
	Are there waves?
	Can you surf in heaven?
	I hope so, dude.
	There's a river that runs through the New Jerusalem.
	I'm trying to catch some waves on that thing.
	Let's go.
	Is it chocolate?
	What the fuck was this?
	Willie Walga?
	Fucking walking.
	All right, okay.
	Okay.
	Are you going to say something about that?
	Yeah, quick if you can.
	Kevin is not going to be some just, you know, aqueous, ambiguous thing.
	He's making all things new.
	It's going to be new heavens and new earth.
	So it's going to be lit.
	Hope to see everybody there.
	I'm going to see here.
	Okay, we had some notes here.
	Sorry, guys, I'm just getting caught up on my things.
	Oh, my God.
	Alina.
	Wait, who's Alina?
	Me.
	Oh, okay.
	It's Trendalina.
	Trendalina.
	Okay.
	Trendalina.
	So you mentioned in your pre-show thing, why are men today so afraid to commit?
	Yes.
	And I want to open this up to the panel.
	Do you maybe just show of hands?
	Do you think men struggle with commitment?
	Yeah.
	Show of hands.
	Literally.
	Maybe just yes.
	All of the women saying yes.
	Do you think women struggle with commitment too?
	Not as much.
	I don't struggle.
	I know.
	Look, it's like this.
	I got a lot of male friends.
	Women oftentimes look to men hoping that they will want to commit.
	I know a lot of dudes that are like, yeah, like I'm down to hang out with her and have sex with her, but like I don't really want anything more than that.
	But women see that and they're just like really hoping that that man is going to want to love them and hold on to them forever.
	A lot of dudes just like want to use women.
	They want to change them.
	Women have that eternal hope of changing and being that one person.
	I can fix him.
	I can fix him.
	I can be the one that makes him commit.
	That's what a woman's heart truly desires is to be the one that makes him want to want her forever.
	Yep.
	You know?
	But like a lot of, like, what women oftentimes don't understand about men is like a lot of dudes like they'll find you attractive, they'll want to sleep with you for a bit, keep you around as long as it's a fun time, but they don't really want anything more than that.
	You know, and it's important for women to guard their hearts from that.
	Women get very hurt by guys.
	What'd you say?
	That's what I do when I do when I tell them like, I don't want to learn.
	Like, I'm just trying to smoke, nothing more.
	And I think, generally speaking, like, even like there are all high-quality men out there for sure who would be down for commitment, but I think that a big problem that a lot of men have is when they look at the dating climate, like, you know, hypergamy is prevalent now more than ever.
	Promiscuity is more prevalent now more than ever.
	So I feel like for a guy, sometimes they just really want to get to know a girl that it's the right person before they dive into that commitment.
	Also, a product of the times.
	I do want to ask: so who here has been?
	I mean, I think every, well, maybe not Air Force Amy.
	Who here has been in a long-term relationship?
	I think probably everybody, right?
	Sorry, I didn't mean to throw you under the bus there, Amy.
	Well, I get paid to stay as well as I get paid to go away.
	Okay.
	That is one of the benefits, I guess, of someone who procures your services.
	So, of, okay, so not just when it comes to long-term relationships, but of all the times where you've had to end things with a guy or say, I don't want to see you anymore.
	So that could be from the first date all the way to you've been married for 20 years.
	Or you've been in a relationship for three months, six months, a year.
	More often than not, are you the one ending things or is the guy the one ending things?
	All the way from first date, hey, had a good time.
	I don't think it was a good fit.
	All the way to, babe, been together for two years, breaking up.
	Yeah, usually when I go on a date, I that's when I hang out with you or when I go on a date with you, that's when like I decide after the date if I want to continue talking to you or I usually just block them like when I'm not feeling like sorry just block them like I don't even like because I don't want to like just tell them like firestorm upon you.
	You're telling me you will not reject the guys vocally, you'll.
	If you don't like them, you'll just block them and like they won't.
	Yeah, like I don't even want to tell them.
	Like damn, how many guys have you done this to?
	Mostly every guy that I don't find like I don't want to talk to anymore.
	That's pretty brutal.
	That shit hurts.
	Oh, it's just like.
	Have you considered just telling them hey, like thanks for the date.
	Honestly, I'm not interested, like when they're really like I've only had to do that like twice because they were like really sweet or they were my friends.
	You know, like we were trying to like get can't block your friends.
	Yeah, you know, like a dude who, from the jump, he was romantically interested.
	Maybe you hung out once but you just weren't feeling it.
	That's the dude you're gonna block.
	Yeah well yeah, you just said you're not gonna block.
	How many, how many guys that you've smoked with have you blocked?
	she's hit up every How many?
	How many dudes do you think you've blocked?
	Have you seen my block list?
	Yeah wait, let's see it.
	Hold up that block list while she's answering Caitlin.
	Do you want to answer his question?
	Wait, what was his question?
	Again okay, you want to rephrase it?
	Okay, so it's kind of complicated.
	Yeah, because there's.
	It's multifaceted.
	So, of all the times that you've had to say I don't want to see you anymore or initiate a breakup obviously you're not breaking up with somebody who you've gone on one date with but of all the times you've you've been the one to say no when it comes to either, just first date hey I, I had a good time, but I, I don't think.
	Uh, I don't know what's a common thing girls will say on the first date.
	If they're not feeling the guy, I just wanted to, I don't think it was a good.
	Yeah, I don't know what the fuck, I just want to be friends, i'm not feeling it.
	How often are you the one to turn the guys down all the way to?
	You've also long-term relationship, ending the long-term relationship?
	Um, I mean, i've ended every long-term.
	Or every time me and my ex would break up.
	That was me.
	Um, what about other situationships?
	Flings.
	I think i've pretty much been the one to end it.
	I'm trying to think yeah, i'm trying to think of a time there's never been a guy who's like I don't want to keep seeing you, I don't want to like, not really uh, not that I can think of no no, that's fine.
	Um, do you have your block list?
	Yeah, but how many dudes are on?
	It's not.
	My service is not.
	Okay, it doesn't.
	But I bet it's like more than like a hundred, damn more than a hundred.
	But that's just like girls I don't like, or just people like I just like.
	Speaking of my yeah, scooting to the table a little more, i'd be like i'd block, like just girls or just like okay, you know, like hater, but mostly, but okay, more often than not, are you saying hey, I no, first date all the way to long-term relationship.
	Okay, what about you?
	Um, I don't even know.
	I think a lot of the times it's probably me Ending the relationship or end first, second, third date.
	Ending relationships.
	Um, yeah, just breaking up in general.
	I would say I'm either ending it or I make them like just not want to be.
	Yeah, like I make them just crazy enough where they don't like, I'm out of here.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I gladly ended many relationships towards before I met Oz.
	It was fun, actually, because I got him back.
	Sure.
	And the other component of this question is also not just relationships, but also, let's say you go on a first date with a guy, he asks for a second, maybe you got two dates, three dates.
	More often than not, are you the one also in that instance saying, hey, I had a nice time, but not interested?
	Yes.
	I'm saying no before even going on to the date.
	I'm just saying I'm not going on a date.
	Sure.
	Same with you.
	Oh, we got a little further than the first couple dates, and these men were both telling me that they were supposed to marry me.
	That they said God told them that I was supposed to marry them.
	And I said, I'm not hearing that.
	Sure.
	Air Force Amy.
	Air Force Amy.
	What about you?
	The one relationship I had, I ended, but like on a daily, I deal with rejection daily.
	You get emails and wow.
	It's like daily, all the day long.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I would agree with the girls.
	I end it, or I would just kind of fade out if I didn't know how to like end it.
	So both for long-term relationships?
	The one I'm in now is my second long-term relationship, and I would never end it in my mind.
	So casually dating, then, yeah, just like at the end of the day, it's like, we're not vibing.
	Are you okay with that?
	Okay.
	Amy, what about you?
	I've been in like four or five long-term relationships.
	I'd say it's about 50-50.
	50-50.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So the reason I'm asking this is because you said that, Trendelina, you said, why are men today so afraid to commit?
	Well, once we do commit, given all the answers you've provided, women overwhelmingly end relationships and initiate divorce.
	So for a cohort of people who seem so adamant about commitment, you sure like to end said commitments at very disproportionate rates.
	Damn.
	And men get absolutely destroyed in divorce, alimony, court costs, lawyers' fees.
	So I mean the question, why should men commit if you guys are the ones ending everything?
	Why are men today so afraid to commit?
	Maybe because women disproportionately end relationships and initiate divorces.
	I think most of the time women are going to like end, and like when I've ended things, it's because it doesn't look like it's going to go anywhere.
	Or they're going to nothing.
	So if they kept it like if they kept it monogamous, then you can have that conversation and move on.
	I think if there was infidelity, that is a perfectly justifiable reason to end a marriage or a divorce.
	However, it's not clear to me if all the instances for all the girls here at the table when y'all didn't want to pursue something or you ended a relationship, I can't imagine in all instances it was due to infidelity or some sort of abuse.
	No, mainly just like respect and not the violence.
	Yeah.
	Like why would I go on a few more dates with someone?
	Have them invest in me if I can feel already it's not worth it.
	Well that's to be fair the panel did raise their hands for both men and women are afraid to commit if in fairness.
	But I think in general it seemed more aggressive.
	Wait, what?
	No, it was kind of you lost me.
	Never mind.
	I'm lost.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not really related.
	I do think women do want to commit more.
	No, you know, I want to make sure to make one point.
	You want to get the commitment.
	When you get the commitment, you break it.
	All of a sudden, oh, I'm kind of bored.
	I don't know.
	I didn't agree.
	Women overwhelmingly initiate divorce.
	They overwhelmingly end relationships.
	All of you just, we went around the table.
	Y'all said, I would end it.
	I would end the relationship.
	Maybe sometimes, hey, the guy was a jerk.
	Maybe he was cheating on you.
	But maybe there were times when a better option came along.
	Hypergamy.
	Has that happened before?
	Yeah, I got a point to make a lot of money.
	Has anyone married someone?
	All right.
	All right.
	I got a point to make to you guys.
	There's this question that's been floating around the table.
	Why are so many men afraid to commit?
	One of the answers that I have to that is because many women are willing to give up sex without commitment.
	Most young women today are willing to have sex with men without any commitment involved whatsoever.
	And so if you give a man sex, which is what he wants, without any sort of a commitment, that subconsciously signals to those men, you can have the thing that you want from me without any commitment to me, right?
	That's a problem.
	You guys put yourselves in a disadvantaged situation by giving that up.
	Keep that in mind.
	Okay, but if guys do want to do that, then they're like, I'll take the girl.
	She's willing to give it to me anyways.
	Then they're willing to also take whatever disease or anything like that.
	So they're being just as dumb, don't you think?
	Yeah, there's a lot of dumb dudes out there for sure.
	Yeah, but they can't bear children, right?
	They're not risking having a baby inside of them.
	Isn't that the feminism is great for promiscuous men.
	They love it.
	Feminism has made business boom for promiscuous men.
	But ultimately, when women are promiscuous, they're devaluing themselves.
	You're saying, my body is not valuable.
	It's for everybody to see.
	Whenever you dress promiscuously or if you sell your body online, you're saying, my body is a cheap commodity that you can get for free or for just a few bucks.
	What are you?
	No, I am expensive, according to you.
	I mean, the thing is, though, is like it's basic supply and demand.
	If there's scarcity of something, if you won't give your body up to any man unless he's the right one, like that's a very rare and valuable commodity.
	If a woman will give it up to anybody who wants it, it's like a Ferrari, right?
	Not everybody can buy a Ferrari.
	They're very expensive.
	They're very valuable as a result.
	Anybody can buy a bicycle, right?
	It's much less valuable.
	Wait, anybody cannot come in?
	Any, excuse me, can you not be texting during the podcast?
	We just changed the money.
	Does that make sense, though?
	Like, it's not an indictment of you as a person, but you, like, women who are willing to give men sex without any commitment from them, like, they're decreasing the value of that.
	But I do want a commitment of financial.
	I want a financial commitment, and not everybody can get laid.
	There's supply and demand.
	Yeah.
	Stop that.
	Sorry.
	Any thoughts on that, Andrew?
	So here we go.
	What was that?
	That you need cash?
	I didn't even understand her.
	She's saying it's not free.
	You got to pay for it.
	Well, yeah, you have to pay.
	Even in marriage, there's an exchange of money there.
	But it actually costs the man way more to marry a woman than to just hook up with a woman on the side, right?
	Yeah, so if you if you're a woman and you save yourself for marriage and you're you don't dress promiscuously you don't sell your pictures online You're treating your body as a high-value commodity.
	Yes.
	And you know, men will treat a lot more for a woman.
	What's the value of something?
	The value is what someone's willing to pay for it.
	What are you willing to pay for this cup?
	That's the value.
	Yeah, the value you can also assign that.
	This is the thing.
	You can also assign that value.
	As a woman, you can tell yourself and other men, I will not give you my body without a firm commitment, right?
	A woman who refuses to have sex with men outside of marriage, sex with her is going to be very valuable.
	But if a woman is just willing to sleep with any guy who will give her attention, her sex is much less valuable than the woman who won't give it to a guy without commitment, right?
	So it goes back to the central question.
	Why are so many men afraid to commit?
	Because you guys, not you guys, but just generally speak, well, some of you guys, but generally speaking, most young women nowadays are willing to have sex with men without any sort of a commitment involved.
	And so you're giving the guy the thing that he wants without you getting the thing in return that you want.
	But don't you feel like you're undermining men a little bit?
	Because you're kind of making it out that men look at women as a commodity.
	Say that again.
	Don't you feel like you might be undermining men a little bit?
	Like saying you're giving it what they want, men just want sex.
	Like, often that comes to their primal carnal nature.
	Like, that is very natural within it.
	No, they don't get a pass.
	It's still wrong.
	It's wrong for men to it's wrong for men to run through.
	Women are the gatekeepers of sex at the end of the day.
	This is just one second.
	I was going to make a great point.
	I'd like to see you back base, Chase.
	You need to become a co-host.
	We need you accept Brian's offer.
	Women on the panel, what do you bring to a relationship and what do you think men want from you?
	W Chase and Hash Christ is king in the chat.
	Let's go.
	Thank you.
	We'll pull this back up.
	Chase had a point.
	We'll come back to it.
	Yeah, you just delivered a great point, which is that women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	You guys choose who you will have sex with.
	You choose what men get sex.
	Men are the gatekeepers of commitment.
	So you guys get to choose who you're going to have sex with.
	We choose who gets commitment.
	And if you don't give men sex, you're not going to have to worry about dudes who won't commit.
	You're going to filter them out.
	But if you're giving men to sex outside of marriage or a committed relationship, all the guys that aren't interested in committed, they're going to take advantage of that.
	Does that make sense?
	And value isn't just in monetary terms either, like to what you were saying as well.
	Like when we're talking about being a high-value woman, being a high-value man, what's worth having doesn't come easy most of the time.
	And that's just a fact with all things in life.
	Like the sky is blue, my hair is brown, I didn't make it so.
	It's just how the world works.
	Yes, the most valuable things are very difficult to attain.
	If sex with a woman is very difficult to attain, that is going to make the right kind of man really want to get it by doing the things he needs to do, right?
	Christian women, if they're reserving sex for marriage, they're going to weed out all of the guys that don't want to commit to them that just want to use them.
	They're only going to get the guys that really want them as a person.
	You know?
	That's good.
	I had a ring on that said true love weights.
	And when I had my first date with Oz, I put it in his face and I said, you see this ring?
	You ain't get nothing from me until I see a ring.
	There you go. This is how you get a good man.
	I turn him on.
	I have so much empathy for this problem that women have, like, wondering where all the real men and the men who want to commit.
	Like, it's so many women struggle to find guys who actually want to commit to them.
	But the thing is, like, I wish all young women today understood this because so many women get heartbroken over and over by guys that just want to take advantage of them.
	It's like, if you as a woman made the commitment to yourself, I'm not going to have sex until marriage, you're going to filter out every single guy that isn't right for you, every single guy who doesn't truly love you for who you are and want to keep you for the rest of your life.
	Every guy who doesn't fit that bill, he's gone.
	But the one who really, really loves you and wants to keep you for the rest of your life, that's the one who's going to stick around.
	I just got to come in as a sinner here.
	I'll commit to a woman and we could have sex before marriage.
	I'm just saying.
	Just saying.
	I was wondering if you're not going to be able to do a lot of guys will.
	You guys, they can come see me.
	I just, I have a slight issue with what Chase just said, only because I was married under the guise of God, right?
	And we lived a Christian lifestyle, and it was still the wrong person.
	Yeah, it does have a lot of people.
	So it does.
	Like, I think to throw it out there as a generalization, I think, is insincere because there are still the situations out there that we were in a committed relationship.
	He, like, I mean, for sexual reasons, I had other instances that had led to him not being my first, but not.
	You're catching that I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	But he was, by all intents and purposes, my only, and for a very, very, very long time.
	So I think that you saying that the right man will come to you when you abandon all those other things, I think can still be, I think it's a great message.
	It's a fair point.
	I see what you're saying.
	It's still a little bit of fairy tale.
	I wouldn't say it's fairy tale.
	I see what you're saying.
	What I would just say is it's not going to make you find the perfect guy, but it's definitely going to filter out all of the wrong guys, in my opinion.
	You still need Christ, right?
	If you have Christ at the center of your relationship, you know, it's not going to fall apart if both of you are in.
	Well, we did.
	Clearly, he didn't, though.
	He didn't.
	And even his family, like, they've ousted me still to this day, not because of what I do, but because I divorced their son, regardless of his actions.
	They know he cheated on you with 12 women.
	And they are the front pew of the church every Sunday.
	They're the ones, you know, cooking for every potluck, you know, taking it.
	So I just, like, I just still find fault in it.
	And I think that's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, I'm not saying it's a perfect solution.
	I'm just saying most women give sex away too easily to men who have no interest in committing at all in the first place.
	Wait, quick question.
	In Christianity, if there's infidelity, is that that's grounds for divorce, according to Jesus.
	Thank you.
	Got it.
	Okay, we have, let me see here.
	The one that came up before, I'll get that really quick.
	The question for the panel is, women on the panel, what do you bring to a relationship and what do you think men want from you?
	That's good.
	All right, we'll start with you.
	We'll go around.
	Go ahead.
	I feel like we should start from the other side this time.
	You think?
	Yeah.
	They have to wait like an hour until it gets to them.
	Okay, okay, sure.
	We'll go around.
	We'll try to go around quick.
	I think just like honor and respect is a huge one.
	I think very oftentimes it's also what not to do as well.
	I've spoken about this extensively.
	I think that women are very quick to disrespect their man, whether that is personally or publicly, you know, disparaging him in any type of way.
	I think honor and respect is the number one thing for me.
	That's what you bring to a relationship?
	And you think that's what men want in a relationship.
	Okay.
	I couldn't agree with you more because we're long distance.
	We're always talking and listening to each other.
	So he tells me I make him feel respected.
	He feels like supported and not judged.
	So that's what I bring to a relationship.
	If I had a relationship and it was monogamous, it would be, God, it would be fun.
	I'll tell you what.
	It would be exciting.
	And I'm very, very affectionate and very committal and loyal.
	Would you stop doing the kind of work you're doing if you're in a relationship?
	If I found the guy.
	Oh, yeah, 100%.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	Our DMs are open, right?
	Your DMs are open.
	Can we get Amy a date?
	That's the problem.
	And that's why I'm on the show is because I don't know how to date.
	How would I go on a date with somebody and delineate between an out date where someone spends money?
	If he whips out his wallet, it ain't a date.
	You know what I'm saying?
	If he pays for the dinner, you know, it's like, that's fine.
	But then I go through the bunny ranch and it's like I get paid and then I can't see the guy outside again without paying them.
	So I'm like, totally just like.
	Wait, you're paying for the dates?
	No, if I go, if someone pays me, and then it has to go through the bunny ranch, and then if they ever see me again, it still has to go through the bunny ranch.
	So you're not meeting anyone outside of the bunny ranch?
	I don't meet anyone outside the bunny ranch.
	I'm going to give you a 30-second breakdown on how to get you a man.
	I don't know if it's going to be the ideal man, but we're going to get you a man.
	Okay.
	We need you.
	I need you on Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, Farmers Only, and Christian Mingle.
	Farmers Only.
	No, here's the point.
	I take that one back.
	That's why I'm on here is because I'm on some very expensive dating apps and guys that I'm very interested that I'm very interested in.
	You don't need to.
	A matchmaker, you got to match.
	Once I'm interested in somebody, then I'm going to have to say what I do.
	And then once they find out who I am, and my real name is totally interchangeable with Air Force Amy, so there's no way I'm going to hide who I am.
	And then it's going to be like, like you guys bash prostitutes, and they're about the same level as drug dealers.
	So it'd be like, oh, oh, yeah.
	So I could just go ahead and wait.
	So I could just go ahead and just go ahead and have sex with her because she's already a prostitute and it would just be okay.
	So who cares?
	So I think you're going to find someone.
	So how could I ever find that?
	My instinct says you're going to find Air Force Amy.
	I got you.
	Dating Air Force.
	Air Force Amy.
	I got hysteria.
	How could I ever find hysteria?
	What's up with your dad, Brian?
	No, how could I find anyone that's ever seen?
	My dad's so married.
	My dad's bad.
	Because they would be like, oh, that's Air Force Amy.
	I'm going to play this chick because she's already a prostitute.
	Air Force Amy, I got you.
	If I knew where my dad was, Air Force Amy, I'd hook him up with you.
	You mentioned like sad.
	You mentioned the difference between like a motherfucker.
	There's no way.
	And plus, you guys have all said that I've slept with way too many people.
	I'm totally marriageable.
	That is a good idea.
	So it's just like a no deal.
	I'm just like, we never said that.
	We never said that.
	So it's over, bro.
	Everyone can be redeemed in Christ.
	We never said that.
	Well, definitely not marrying Matt.
	I mean, I'm over 16 people.
	We don't marry with over 16 people for sure.
	No, I won't marry you.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Same.
	Matt.
	What if I burnt myself on the cross?
	Come on.
	I will not do that.
	Do this.
	There you go, Brian.
	You better.
	Okay.
	God damn it.
	I'll do it.
	Absolutely impossible.
	It's just this double-edged sword.
	It's never going to happen.
	Okay, so I got a fuck it.
	And I would say that.
	I believe in you.
	Air Force Amy.
	I believe in you.
	It would be something.
	Air Force Amy.
	I believe.
	I need Amy.
	I ain't taking care of myself my entire life.
	Do you think I just don't want to hang up those shoes and be like, dude, take a look at the money?
	Are you careful for a sugar baby, by the way?
	I'm rich, dude.
	I don't need a sugar baby.
	Like, you're the sugar mama.
	Oh, no, these guys come after me like crazy.
	They're the sugar babies.
	They're like hot and you know, they all want me.
	So why not?
	Why not?
	There you go.
	Maybe you got to get a sugar baby, son.
	Annoying someone with some intelligence, dude.
	Oh, intelligence?
	Someone needs to take over the show.
	Brian's a sugar baby.
	Someone's going to take a show up and run away.
	Are you looking to be a sugar mama?
	Because I'm always on the lookout for a sugar mama.
	I want someone to help run this show.
	I've been doing it for way too long.
	Word.
	Okay.
	Brian, you trying to help run the show, dog?
	You know, we just need to leave.
	Brian, get down on one knee.
	What?
	Said, Brian, get down on one knee.
	I think what you gotta do is.
	In the meantime, Brian, Brian, Brian, I am Amy and Amy.
	Come on, Brian.
	Step up to the plate, dog.
	Be a man.
	You should have a button that's like side-ai.
	Run through the audio to side-a-year.
	He's like, I'm true.
	The truth will be.
	Amy, we need to get you on.
	Would you ever date a guy?
	Would you date a guy who's overweight, who's obese?
	Well, you know what?
	Ozeppic.
	Okay, Ozeppic does the trick nowadays.
	Stop it, right?
	I'm PSA.
	What about like Ozebic face?
	What do you think about men who read comic books?
	Where are you going with this, bro?
	I have no fucking idea.
	I like Spider-Man.
	Listen, Amy.
	I won't say anything.
	I have been bringing them to prostitute.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Serious point.
	Amy, hold on, hold on.
	Is your Instagram tag?
	Did you give it to Brian?
	It's in there.
	They need to put in applications.
	All right.
	All right, fellas.
	Amy is looking for a husband.
	She's looking for a man that's ready to take over the show.
	Slide into her DMs.
	Slide into her DMs.
	Okay, there you go.
	No, I get that every day already.
	Oh.
	Are you responsible?
	You know what you got to do?
	You know what you got to do, Amy?
	Filter.
	No sex until marriage.
	Then you'll see who's real and who's not.
	Yup.
	There you go.
	Yup.
	Then what do I do?
	I get to keep working because I like sex.
	It depends on what the guy is looking for because he might not be down with that.
	Do you find cucks attractive?
	What?
	Cucks.
	What?
	Do you find a cuck attractive?
	Spell that.
	C-U-C-K.
	He can't say it.
	Like, he would like to watch her bang dudes out or what?
	Yeah, like, sitting there.
	I guess.
	Like, her husband would be like a boy.
	There are cucks out there.
	There are lots of them out there.
	Maybe she isn't.
	There's a lot of them out there.
	I'm so confused.
	A guy who is down to date you and likes to watch you.
	A guy.
	Take it.
	No.
	But a guy who is turned on by the fact that you're in the middle of the day.
	No, we used to have one like that.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Yeah, we had a husband.
	I'm just saying, given yourself.
	We had a closet made for them and a little hole and he watched her work.
	You might have to marry.
	You might have to get with a cuck.
	Oh, my goodness.
	You shouldn't have to settle for that, though.
	You shouldn't have to settle for that.
	Well, she's continuing with the professional.
	I would recommend if we're seriously talking about marriage, not settling for a cuck, because that's not going to be a man that's going to take over the show.
	Or a man with any self-respect.
	No, I think he's going to be like a millionaire matchmaker.
	It's just like waiting for the win.
	If I was you, I would stay up all the apps and then prioritize.
	Because at the moment, you said that you want someone, and then you said you want to keep working.
	All right, all right.
	And then you said you want to keep it.
	What's up, guys, ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies.
	All right.
	This is a ridiculous conversation.
	If we do want to talk about it seriously for a moment, if we want to talk about it seriously for a moment, here's what I would say.
	You said that you're rich.
	I'm going to take your word on that.
	If you are serious about this, I'm telling you, no more working for a little while.
	See who DMs you.
	No sex until marriage, because then you're not going to get any dudes that are jerking your chain.
	You'll know who's serious and who's not.
	No working for a while either, because no dude who's seriously interested in you and wants to make you his wife is going to want you banging a bunch of Johns.
	Okay, so if you can stick that out for like one or two years, I don't know how expensive your lifestyle is.
	So you got some nice jewelry, maybe hold off on buying some more, you know?
	Stick out for one or two years, you might be able to find a husband.
	The only other option besides that, and I'll let you come in after this, you are going to have to move to some small fucking country in Europe, change your name, change your identity, and I don't even know if that'll work.
	You're going to, that's, I don't think so.
	I think that's it.
	I think I kind of have a plan.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	What's your plan?
	What's your plan?
	I'm going to write the book.
	You're going to write a book?
	Write the book.
	Sell the rights.
	Sell the rights.
	Yeah.
	And just sounds like a song.
	Yeah.
	Lifetime of lip.
	You probably write a crazy autobiography.
	I'll try that.
	And I have some other things I'm going to produce.
	And like the books are going to be a little bit different.
	I'd like to meet the guy and just travel and write and do that is what I want.
	She's here.
	Pray.
	He's going to marry her.
	Pray for him.
	Yeah, and you're so cooker.
	Let's pray for him.
	Here, let's come back to the original question.
	What do you bring to a relationship?
	So, Amy, Annie, excuse me, what do you princess-ness?
	And I serve my husband with my love, and I'm his helpmate.
	And he had brain cancer, and I researched doctors, and he submitted to me researching the neurosurgeons.
	So he is alive today because of what I did for him.
	Wow.
	You are an amazing wife.
	What about you?
	Thank you.
	I bring communication.
	And I think that that's a huge missing link in today's societal and relationships.
	I think, like you had said, as early as stating that you're in a committed relationship and you're not dating other people all the way to continuing keeping that line of communication open is huge.
	I think it'll be able to open up.
	Sure.
	I bring authenticity and I'm quite serving as well.
	Like authenticity.
	Like I'm just myself all the time.
	It's not going to be like, oh, you get to know me a little bit longer and then I'm a completely different person.
	Like I am who I say I am and I'm very loyal.
	So funny.
	I don't know.
	Not to Brian, but some might.
	Wait, what?
	Nothing.
	I was saying it.
	Not to Brian, but some might think I'm funny.
	Well, when you think, okay.
	Do I go here?
	Wait, you can.
	Do you have any plastic surgery?
	Yes.
	Fake it.
	Yeah.
	Lip fillers.
	Yeah.
	BBL?
	What?
	BBL?
	No, but thank you.
	No, but.
	Okay.
	No, lipo?
	Yes, to put into the taz.
	Yes.
	Can you really be authentic?
	You know what I mean?
	Okay, I see what you're saying.
	I'm on thermo.
	I have to understand.
	You know what I mean?
	Understandable.
	Understandable.
	But I was truthful about it, you know.
	So you asked me, and I was like, yeah, absolutely.
	I did do that.
	And so that is me at this point, right?
	Perhaps in your physical appearance, you are inauthentic.
	In the sense of like, are you all naturally yourself?
	Well, yeah, I mean, I answered that.
	I said no.
	I kind of meant more authentic in personality.
	Like, there's no smoke in mirrors.
	I'll be like true, like honest and upfront.
	I'm true to myself.
	But yeah, I do like partake in some.
	There's very few women who are truly authentic.
	I mean, we all color our hair.
	We all wax our eyebrows.
	Most girls wear makeup.
	There's degrees.
	There's degrees of authenticity.
	That's physical.
	Brian wants the armpit here.
	What the fuck?
	No, Now that's when they want some armpit hair.
	There's grooming and then there's BBLs and like all that kind of crazy shit.
	What I see on dating apps, I'll see like a woman who's like, oh, I'm really about people who are real and genuine and authentic.
	And every single photo of them on the dating app, full face of makeup, filter, lip filler, fake tits.
	I'm like, bruv.
	Bruv.
	You are not authentic in your physical appearance.
	You are.
	In fact, you're kind of misrepresenting your physical appearance on the dating app and it's, it's pretty.
	I think it's very inauthentic.
	You could not just in your physical appearance, but the fact that you are misrepresenting, because obviously, for both men and women, physical appearance is very important, physical attractiveness is very important.
	I think probably most girls here would agree.
	I think men probably care a little bit more about physical appearance than women do.
	I would say a lot more.
	I think women care about it quite a lot, but I think probably men are pretty invested in it.
	So when you're misrepresenting on these dating apps oh, big old fake titties, lip fillers makeup, face filters wait, are you.
	And there's not one photo of you that's like, here's me without any makeup.
	I think that's uh, that's akin to a man basically lying about his career, oh, I'm rich, I'm a, I'm a doctor, I'm an attorney.
	Um, don't you think that like maybe, like the guy would be like, I want to get on a FaceTime with you, get to know you a little bit before we go out onto a date, and then maybe they're face and makeup and they're using good lighting and like that's fair.
	I think something for me personally.
	So I've something that I struggle with, because obviously I am a content creator and I'm on like TikTok and different things like that, and so when I came into the sphere as making that kind of content, I was like struggling with, like why don't I look like all the other girls I'm seeing?
	And so I fell into like those things and so it seems like it does help you make more money to do that.
	But then something that I've was able to kind of like test out with my particular following is a lot of them wanted me to start going live.
	A lot of them wanted me to go live on Twitter, and I was just really honest with them and I was like, look, I feel awkward because there's always like a filter on and things like that, and so like I'm sitting here like being vulnerable and I'm not on a filter and blah blah, blah.
	And I was just really honest about it because I was like I feel like, look one this way, but now I'm representing like my true self, and people were really kind.
	They were like, we like you better this way.
	Like keep coming on Twitter, like you know.
	So I don't know if it really is necessarily, it's kind of and this is exactly any kind of like answer to some of that or more information?
	I'm not sure, but this is exactly why we ought to elevate women who are just moving in their natural beauty and don't feel like, if we're elevating fucking Kim Kardashian, of course fucking a ton of young women who are impressionable are gonna be like, whoa, I don't look like that.
	Okay, let me go get a fucking BBL.
	Let me go get some fake tits.
	Let me go get lip filler.
	Let me fuck up my face.
	Let me go get botched, Botched.
	I don't think we should be.
	What are these 20-year-olds going to look like in 20 years with all this filler?
	Like, it's going to be insane.
	Can I say that?
	I think guys are a lot nicer about me, so I look like really bad on this show.
	What?
	You look amazing, Amy.
	I'm curious to know your thoughts on something, Brian, and you guys as well.
	So I have a friend.
	He met a girl on a dating app, and she looked incredible on the app.
	Like, amazing.
	She drove from Fort Lauderdale to Miami to come down and meet with him.
	They met up in the apartment briefly for drinks before going out on the town.
	And this girl looked nothing like any of her pictures.
	Now, I don't necessarily agree with how he handled it.
	What he did was he said, okay, let's go downstairs.
	We're going to go to the club.
	They walked downstairs and he said, oh, I left my phone in my apartment.
	He went back upstairs and texted her and he said, I'm sorry.
	Like, I'm just not about it.
	Like, and honestly, like, you're a little bit more authentic with what you're marketing.
	Yeah, I think.
	A man.
	I mean, I think probably curved.
	Shout out to him.
	I think he handled that okay.
	I mean, perhaps he could have done it in a more risky way.
	Respectful way.
	I know.
	Yeah, you can do it in a respectful way, but if you catfish the absolute hell out of somebody, like, and then you, and then you curve that person, it's like, whatever.
	You know, like, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	I'd be so mad if I got super catfished by a chick like that.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think I work.
	I think I have a pretty good eyeball, like a vision for when the girls are really filtered.
	Yeah, but I think some men are not quite as attuned to like, oh, just filter.
	No, no, because I couldn't tell when I first started.
	I was like, oh my God, why does everyone look absolutely perfect?
	Yeah.
	It took me a long time to figure it out.
	What do they think is going to happen when they like see the person in real life?
	Well, that's what's what is happening with a lot of like Instagram models is they put so many filters and so many different things on and then when people meet them in real life they look nothing other than that.
	And I think that's really sad.
	They have like those pages that out them and you see the ones that fail your eyes.
	I just think it's going to be really sad when you're an old lady looking back at those pictures with your friends, your family, those selfies of you.
	Like you're going to look back on them with regret for not embracing the beauty that you were.
	The beauty that you were.
	I know I looked at the people.
	This is why I find me when I was 19 and I'm like, oh, I was awful.
	And you look back at 19 now and you're like, wow, yeah.
	Dang.
	I wish I could look like 19 again.
	I feel like you're depriving your future self of those feelings.
	And so many other things.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I used to face tune a lot of pictures and stuff like that.
	And I literally deleted, like, my Instagram has very minimal pictures on it.
	I deleted every single FaceTune picture, every picture that was edited.
	Well, I get why women do it because if it's kind of like, let's say you're a professional athlete and everybody else is on steroids and you're not, your career prospects are going to be minimized because you're not, you know, you're not doing the status quo everyone else is doing.
	You're not able to be competitive with the other athletes.
	So I mean, it makes sense to me why women do it because every other, almost every other woman is blasted in full face of makeup, filters, and like makeup's not enough anymore.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You have like straight up AI, like changing the structure of women's faces.
	There was an lip filter.
	There's an AI on Instagram.
	She has her entire, like, she's not even a real person, and she has a lot of people.
	There's a lot of pages like that.
	She has like 500,000 followers and she's not even real.
	You know what's crazy is like dudes will figure out how to make women in AI and then they'll like interact with the women.
	Other dudes.
	Yeah, they'll interact with the dudes.
	No, they'll interact with like, so like, say like I was one of these guys.
	I like go on an AI, create a profile for some like fake AI girl, then a bunch of dudes start following the girl, and then they'll message the guys that are following them and be like, oh, hey, baby, I'll get you to make catfish.
	Then they will make nude photos of the woman through AI, open and only fans, and then guys will buy that smart.
	It's like, it's like an insane.
	And the guys know that they're buying an AI OnlyFans.
	I mean, it's like usually dumb dudes that are following these women.
	If you really look at it, you can tell it's fake.
	She's imposed in Italy and she's imposed in.
	Well, you can tell because you look at the details on the body and you can tell.
	You look at the hands together.
	But the AI girls are unbelievably beautiful in terms of the symmetry of their faces and stuff.
	So guys will follow it and be like, oh my gosh.
	And then they buy their OnlyFans.
	Oh my gosh.
	It's a freaking crunchy time.
	AI chicks are coming for your jobs.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but I mean, just real quick, when it comes to the plastic surgery stuff, like my personal position is, let's say, take a girl who had an A-cup or she was totally flat.
	I would prefer that than her with big, giant fake titties, you know?
	Or like, if her butt's not that big, I prefer like a big, giant fake titties than like BBL.
	Or I'd even prefer a girl with a little, she got a little belly fat.
	Like when you, okay, if you bend over like this, you're going to get a little scrunch, you know what I'm saying?
	Like, unless your body fat percentage is really fucking low.
	Like if you're bending over something, you're going to get a little belly.
	So I would prefer a little belly than a girl who has the lipo belly.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Love that about you, but the numbers don't lie.
	Over the lip filler.
	I've been, I was, before I became an OnlyFans creator, I've only been doing OnlyFans for less than a year, but I was a stripper for the last 11 years.
	Word.
	And when I was smaller chested, yes, I made good money, but after I got the little work done or whatever, my money went up every time I did something different.
	Every single time I'm okay, I mean.
	Yeah.
	So I mean, I get it, I guess, but you're few and far in between.
	Give me some fucking A-cups over some giant fucking fake titties.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Also, Brian's talking about the context of dating versus being in a strip club where they're like explicitly going there to get like turned off.
	That's true, right?
	Versus a guy who's looking to date that ideal kind of girl.
	That makes sense.
	I mean, even, okay, but even like if I'm thinking?
	Well, I'm thinking, yeah, even sexually.
	You're turned off by it?
	Like, even for like a one-night stand or something, I would prefer like a more natural, even if she got itty-bitty titty committee, like all about it.
	I am the fucking labyrinth.
	I am the co-chair of the itty-bitty titty committee, whatever the fuck it's called.
	Amazing.
	You'd have three people.
	You'd have three subscribers.
	Well, you know what's crazy?
	If you look at Greek sculptures or ancient sculptures, right, of women, they don't have these giant fucking knockers.
	They've got like what?
	They got A-cups or peak cups.
	They're not like, you know, you know what I mean.
	So you know what my problem is with women who get a lot of work done?
	I feel like I'm getting catfished as to what my children's genetics are.
	So screws.
	You ask them for pictures of themselves.
	Before they got the work done.
	I mean, I can spot it from like a mile away, but if I was with a chick and I found out she had a ton of work done, I'd be like, yo, what do you think?
	I mean, women will totally change what their faces look like.
	And then you have no idea what the original even looked like.
	Like some women will get crazy nose jobs where their nose will look totally different from what it looked like before.
	And it's like, I want to know what that looked like before.
	What are my kids going to look like?
	Do work on the chin, on the cheeks, on the eyes, the forehead.
	Is it my bosox or like a skin?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	All I'm saying, all I'm saying is.
	I don't know.
	A forehead lift, I guess.
	And the other thing with plastic surgery.
	Look, all of you have been very lovely tonight.
	I know some of you have plastic surgery.
	I don't disdain any of you that you have plastic surgery or whatever.
	I do think that women who have plastic surgery are probably more high maintenance.
	True or false?
	In what sense?
	In what sense?
	Well, okay, let's speak to you.
	True or falsely, right?
	Okay.
	So, breast implants.
	Most saline and silicone breast implants are approved or for the FDA, it's 10 to 20 years.
	Now, sometimes they can last longer than that.
	However, in your lifetime, if you have breast implants, you're probably looking at one, two, maybe three times having to have them replaced.
	So when I'm looking at a girl who has a lot of work done or wants to get a lot of work done, I'm thinking, okay, I would much rather divert my financial resources to my children in some sort of utilitarian way instead of placating your insecurity.
	Okay, that's totally fair.
	I know insecurity came from her children, from having children.
	Well, look, I mean, like a pummy makeover.
	That's something that I can bring to a relationship.
	I already have all my work done.
	If my wife were my Jesus, I was just fucking a loud ass motorcycle going by.
	Me personally, right?
	If my wife had stretch marks on her belly after having given birth, I'm still going to love her.
	But it's not about you loving her, it's about her loving herself.
	I mean, I would say.
	And if she came to you and was I feel like people should be able to love themselves without getting cosmetic work done.
	I agree with you.
	I agree with you.
	Should.
	But sexual.
	I would say inner healing before exterior surgical cutting.
	I would try to guide her away from plastic surgery, not just for financial reasons, but also anytime you undergo anesthesia, there are certain risks involved.
	I'm sure, I mean, when you go and get your wisdom teeth pulled out, they're going to say, hey, you're getting anesthesia.
	Here are the potential risks.
	I think it's probably very low, but there's always a risk of death whenever you go under anesthesia.
	There's other sort of complications that can arise.
	There's certain health consequences.
	So it's not just financial, it's also just the potential health risks for my partner.
	So do you want to know how I justify it to myself?
	I mean, it's great.
	Or does it not matter?
	I don't really care, to be honest.
	I don't care.
	I'm just wondering.
	I'm just wondering.
	Well, okay, really quick.
	How do you justify it?
	It helps with your career.
	It helps with your business.
	Yeah, that's pretty much what I was going to say.
	Like, if I wasn't in this industry, I don't think I would prioritize it as much.
	But since I am and it makes me more money, I can use that as a justification.
	Good posture.
	What?
	What?
	I was telling her a good answer.
	I've heard women can have autoimmune reactions from...
	I did.
	You did?
	From my first set So I had First set Yeah This is my third Third.
	And this is the only thing I've ever had done.
	High maintenance vindicated.
	I'm just kidding.
	But that's the only thing.
	Like, I very low maintenance otherwise.
	Very low maintenance.
	What happened?
	So my first set was 21 years old.
	I became allergic to over 50% of foods, like vegetables, spinach, bananas, blueberries.
	I was allergic to a bunch of medications.
	So I had them taken out in 21.
	Then I had it complete.
	So, and then all my.
	2021?
	Yeah, 2021.
	I had them taken out.
	So they were 21 years old at that point.
	Oh, wow.
	I had breastfed four children with them, and they were still in great shape.
	I just, I was really sick.
	I had them taken out.
	I had another set put in.
	I'm able to eat today everything.
	I can eat peanut butter and jelly.
	I can have bananas.
	I have no reactions to anything.
	During that time I had my first set.
	I had a stomach ulcer perforate.
	I had stomach ulcers.
	I had an autoimmune condition with it.
	I had a stomach ulcer perforate and they removed over half of my stomach from it.
	Holy smoke.
	This is pretty much, I mean, almost making my argument, though.
	But like what's amazing to me, though, despite the serious complications that you had with your first implants, I mean, it would occur to me that the pragmatic thing to do is, okay, maybe I'm not going to get any more fake titties.
	You know what I mean?
	And fake titties were more worth it than your health?
	Then, well, my second set, actually, I got better, so it was just that set.
	Well, you didn't get better because of the second set.
	No, no, no.
	You got better.
	No, I get that.
	I get that.
	I got better because I got the first set taken out.
	I get that.
	I get it.
	Imagine fake titties.
	Yeah, I got fake titties, so I'm all better now.
	No, no.
	That's not what I meant.
	But then I had a complication with the second set where they shifted.
	So I got to get into the middle of the day.
	What did you think with the second set?
	What do you mean they shifted?
	What is that?
	So this implant, capsular contraction.
	Wow.
	Yes.
	And then shifted into my outfit.
	So when I would like flex or do anything, it would completely display.
	Like if you did a double bicep?
	I would do anything like that.
	It would shift into it.
	Did that just like drive you nuts?
	It did.
	It did.
	So it was painful.
	I hope that happens.
	So I went to the best.
	I did tons and tons of research.
	I went to the very, very best, and that's where I'm at now.
	I don't intend to keep them after I'm done working.
	So that's where I'm at.
	Wait, did you change Revis in?
	Did you change the material?
	Yes.
	What was the material in the first place?
	So I went with, I had silicone the first time.
	And then would you go with that?
	And then I went with saline.
	No, other way around.
	I'm sorry.
	I started with saline and I went to the gel gummy bears because they're like a gummy bear.
	They feel more gel and they have a less risk of rupturing and gummy bear.
	Yeah, they're incredible.
	I was going to ask, did you say yours came from your belly fat?
	How does that work?
	So I actually had gummy bear implants and fat cancer to the breasts.
	OK, just suck it out and just right.
	Because I've heard about it with the beatings.
	And yells like they did that for titties too.
	We can, yeah.
	Okay.
	Wild.
	Word.
	What's that?
	Isn't there some quote or saying like what people will do for beauty or I don't know what it is?
	Pain is beauty?
	Pain is beauty, I guess.
	All along, though.
	Like my grandmother had ribs taken out.
	For 25% day.
	Yeah, that's a yikes.
	Yeah, it's not ourselves.
	That's what people say.
	Blade.
	For the women here who haven't had fake, don't have fake titties, have any of you considered getting some fake titties?
	No, Wendy.
	It's never crossed your mind.
	Okay.
	All right, good.
	Never crossed the mind.
	I think small titties are in, son.
	Andrew, you meet a fantastic Christian woman.
	She's super bass, loves the Lord.
	She has fake boobs.
	Yes or no?
	No problem.
	No problem.
	Oh, we found a leak!
	So if I had to do it again, I would have not done it at all.
	Okay, all right, there you have it, folks.
	All right, we have, let me just see if we have any chats here.
	We have, nope, we have, nope, okay.
	I had the cup of.
	Oh, Atlas.
	So, your boyfriend, you move really fast.
	You have his gamer tag tattooed on you.
	Is that right?
	Yes, I did do that.
	Can we see it?
	No way.
	You can't see it.
	Wait, is this the guy?
	Where is it?
	Where is it?
	It's below my butt cheek.
	This is the guy you were with for just a month.
	Like on the leg, on the quad.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You got a tattoo with the guy that you were with for a month?
	Yes, I did do that.
	Atlas, why did you do that?
	I was in your corner.
	Were you in love?
	No.
	Okay, listen.
	How did he pitch it to you?
	What's the story?
	Did he hurt you?
	No, he didn't.
	I was being reckless, okay?
	I was being reckless, and I was just doing something that I thought was really spontaneous and fun and almost like jumping out of an airplane.
	And I knew honestly it didn't work out.
	I could easily get it removed.
	It's just a little gamer tag.
	It's not like a big fucking portrait, you know?
	Who pitched it?
	Is it your dad?
	He did.
	How did he pitch it?
	How did he pitch it?
	He just kept screwing around being like, let's go get our names tattooed on each other.
	Let's go get our names tattooed on each other.
	That's such a red flag in the first.
	I was like, bet.
	I'll do it.
	Wait, did he got he got your name tattooed on?
	No, he didn't end up doing it.
	Oh.
	He did not.
	But you put his gamer tag?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes, I did.
	And he's a really bad Twitch streamer.
	Does he have a big following?
	No, he has like 11 people following him.
	Until today.
	And he texts me all the time, and I am not answering your text, dude.
	Like, stop.
	So you haven't yet gotten rid of it?
	Not yet.
	Why not?
	What is the gamer tag?
	Is it like XX Blood Raven 420 places?
	It's like F and F underscore loser.
	Actually?
	No.
	But I didn't want to give him a shout out after I thought about it.
	I'm just kidding.
	That's a little bit harsh, but yeah.
	F and F.
	So he's like a month and he crashed on your couch.
	Just playing video games all day.
	And he like kind of low-key talked hella shit about me on Twitter for no reason.
	Like about how I didn't have a microwave.
	Like that's a bad thing.
	He's staying at your house for free.
	He has no room to talk about.
	Actually though, honestly, if I was in his position and I was like just a total bum playing video games and some chick didn't have a microwave.
	He was dope.
	I'd be like, fuck this chase, bro.
	You don't have a fucking microwave.
	Yeah, we ate totally.
	We did.
	The way he ate and the way I ate was completely a microwave, Atlas.
	I have a toaster oven.
	That's way better.
	I was trying to.
	Yeah, it makes a toaster.
	You actually owe him an apology.
	That was the start of all your relationship conflict, was you didn't have a fucking microwave.
	The issue was he said that he doesn't like fast food and then moved in and ate fast food every day.
	You need to do some soul searching.
	You need to look within and see about what you did wrong in that relationship.
	I didn't have a TV either.
	And so I got a TV because he's like really insistent on the TV.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm just kidding, guys.
	Okay.
	So, you got this tattoo of him.
	Chase, you're...
	Andrew, you meet a girl.
	She has a tattoo with her ex's name on her.
	If I was going to be dating, it would be removed, but I'm not dating.
	This is a deal breaker for you, Chase.
	Bro, I wouldn't even consider moving the relationship forward.
	It's done.
	Tattoo of her ex-ex name.
	And it's like right below her butt, too.
	What do you mean you don't know?
	But he doesn't know what her butt looks like.
	What if it was gone?
	Yeah, he's a virgin.
	Yeah, he's a virgin.
	I don't know about that.
	Yeah, he wouldn't even know.
	He can't see her butt, so he wouldn't know.
	And if it came time for me to be honest with the guy, it would have already been gone.
	Like, if I was going to start seeing people, I would get that taken off.
	I'm just not doing that right now, so it hasn't been a priority, but it's not a problem.
	It's gone.
	It's gone.
	Not a problem.
	Roger that.
	Okay, let's propose a hypothetical.
	Okay.
	Andrew, you marry a girl.
	Oh, man.
	You go to do the deed on your wedding night.
	Right underneath her butt cheek, you see Scott's property tattooed underneath her teacher.
	Okay, that's a little extreme.
	What if you see at whatever?
	What do you do?
	I don't know what I do, but that could be.
	That's definitely something to think about.
	For me to tattoo that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, if we're already married, throw an umbrella.
	It's a lot to just break it off just over a tattoo, but.
	Well, I mean, you wouldn't be able to break it off.
	You're married.
	He'd be on the orange titan.
	I don't think it's grounds for divorce.
	Yeah.
	How you approach that conversation?
	It's like, yo.
	You get it remote.
	That's a solution.
	It's still not ideal.
	I think, definitely, Andrew, I need you.
	Every woman you're considering courting, you got to ask what the tattoo situation is.
	Added to your app.
	You got to ask.
	Add it to your application.
	But so, Chase, do you think that's kind of like an alpha widow situation?
	Like, okay, she's got the ex's name tattooed on her.
	It's like, bro, a thousand percent.
	He's going to come back in the picture.
	Like, how would you feel if you met some great guy, or great guy, great girl, and you go to hook up with her, and then you see Tate tattooed right there underneath her tips.
	Yes.
	How would you feel?
	Fucking terrible.
	Yeah, bro.
	I'd feel like he was fucking her at the same time.
	I mean, dude.
	Like he was there in the room.
	I would be able to have zero tolerance for it, man.
	Like, as a man, I'm so territorial over my woman.
	There's no way she could be branded by another man.
	Question on this related to what Chase just said.
	And this is for those of you who are a little more, you might want to just plug your ears.
	Okay.
	If someone was having sex with you donkey style, is the tattoo visible?
	Absolutely.
	Ooh, that stings.
	Oh, it stings.
	Of course it is.
	Ooh, that stings.
	Oh, it hurts.
	That's the best way to see it.
	You are going to see it.
	It's a sign.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's a gamer tag.
	But how do you know she can say whatever it is?
	Dude branded.
	It could be a bad thing.
	So she's branded.
	A dude branded.
	Like, you don't know.
	He doesn't know what it is.
	But it doesn't matter.
	No, no, no.
	Immediately you would ask.
	Oh, what's this gamer tag?
	What's the girl?
	If I found someone who's not going to be able to do that.
	You're not going to be like, oh, that's chill for there to be there.
	There's no story in the background.
	There's no other tattoos.
	I could see your argument.
	But she has other tattoos.
	So is he going to sit there and dissect her entire body?
	If hypothetically I was hooking up with a girl and I saw a gamer tag underneath her butt cheek, immediately I'd be like, yo, what is that?
	Immediately.
	And do you feel a kind of way about it?
	Like, would you take it off?
	Oh, my gosh, it's coming off.
	Yeah.
	So then, yeah, you already know the answer.
	Yeah, but I do.
	And if I was at a place in my life right now where I was down to like fuck someone, it would be gone.
	I would have it gone already.
	How long did you get?
	What would you think you should charge him a year ago?
	Have you been with a guy, biblically speaking?
	Not even a kiss.
	Nothing.
	No sex.
	Not a.
	Stop the cap.
	I'm not capping.
	Come on, Atlas.
	I swear to God, I swear on my family, on everything, I have not been with one.
	I haven't even kissed her.
	Don't use the Lord's name and saying, please.
	I haven't even kissed someone.
	The only person I've kissed is this girl who wanted to do a TikTok that it was like two best friends in her room who might kiss.
	And she pecked me and I was like, girl, I haven't kissed anyone in like a year.
	And she's like, oh, I feel special.
	Yeah.
	I don't leave my house, okay?
	If I'm having sex with a girl and I. Dude, I wouldn't even be able to get it up.
	Like, if seeing another guy's brand there, no way.
	I mean, all of that's fair.
	You guys can ask whatever you want.
	I don't get offended easily.
	guys are totally fine like you can I still don't think you don't know But if you were like, no, I'm not going to get it removed, like there's...
	That would be hilarious.
	We can't remember again then?
	What?
	If I married a woman and I saw that she was branded by another guy near her genital region, there's no way I'd be able to get it up.
	So until it was removed, even after that, I'd be like, dude, I'll retrit it.
	I know that about myself.
	I know that about myself.
	It's low-T is what it is.
	No, I'm just territorial.
	No, it's high T. I'm territorial.
	Yeah, it is.
	I'm territorial.
	But she's a new creature.
	What if she's a new creature in Christ?
	If she's a new creature in Christ, why does she have her ex's name tattooed on her butt?
	No, that was pre-Christ.
	What?
	That was pre-Christ.
	Still, if it's there, even if it was removed, but I found out about it.
	Church donations to remove the tattoo.
	Why would you do that?
	So then you might as well end it.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah.
	I think you should pray on that.
	I'm saying, if I married a woman and that happened, I have no idea how I would be able to process it.
	I low-key wish I could remove all of my tattoos.
	I would have none.
	Let's move away.
	Did you do a tattoo thing?
	We have tattoos when he's like 18.
	One sec, guys.
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	I don't know if I can do a thousand fucking episodes of the show.
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	We have this one from Chase Simmons.
	Chase, I'm currently struggling with my beliefs in the Lord.
	I get atheists telling me the Lord is a sadist for allowing suffering.
	And I come from a small town in Wisconsin where most girls aren't really Christians.
	So I struggle on the dating front.
	If you can just address it, but if you can, try to keep it brief.
	I mean, brother, this is a problem many, many men and women are struggling with finding other equally yoked members of the opposite sex.
	Go up.
	What is the app that just came out?
	I think it's called Dating Reddit.
	No, there's the courtship app, I think.
	I think it's upward.
	Yeah, there's Upward.
	There's the courtship app.
	I don't know, dude.
	I'm not good with all the dating apps.
	I'm not the guy to ask.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	Can I ask about the apps?
	What is up with the dating apps, though?
	Because I did low-key try to get on to some just to see what was up with it.
	And I don't know if it's just the area I live in, but it looked like a lot of the dudes were like, just like, no offense, like druggies or something.
	Where do you live?
	Should I say that, actually?
	What's the state?
	Washington.
	I don't know if I should say because I'm not sure.
	A lot of the guys look like druggies.
	I mean, truthfully.
	On the app, yeah.
	Truthfully, the whole state.
	What apps are you on?
	I tried it.
	I think I tried Tinder and one other one that I forgot the name of.
	There's Bumble Hinge.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Maybe like Hinge or something.
	Coffee meets bagel.
	I don't know.
	Well, you're going to get a lot of the lowest quality dudes on this show.
	Do you have to really commit to it and go through before you find somebody else?
	Well, the thing is, think about the psychology of using a dating app, like something like Tinder.
	Most of the dudes that are going on Tinder just want to find a girl to hook up with.
	So if you're looking for like a serious guy, if you're looking through that dating pool, it's just going to be dudes that want to hook up.
	Okay, but I'm not going to talk about that.
	Hold on, hold on just a sec.
	Hold on just a second.
	Every guy she hooks up goes home, types in the gamer tag and just starts.
	Oh, no, wait, what?
	There's an entire friend group because of that one tattoo.
	Wait, what?
	So, okay, here.
	I'll trigger it one more time.
	Oh, it's actually going to take a while to return, but that was good.
	So the guys you hook up with, they see the gamertag, they add the gamertag, they go play Call of Duty together, and now there's a whole friend group of all the men you've hooked up with.
	That's just like my squad or whatever.
	It's just like a bunch of dudes who are now friends.
	You're now friends with your ex.
	That would be cute for him, I guess.
	Then you go in there and they found you for life friends.
	Word.
	Word.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	I'm trying to remember.
	Okay.
	Fend of the offenders at Gikach.
	Yeah, I'm curious.
	The dudes have been asking you ladies questions all night long.
	Do you guys have any questions for the dudes?
	Why would a guy not be interested in dating somebody who does the kind of work that we do if they...
	Okay, let's say you meet a girl and you genuinely like her, her personality, and then you find out that she does that, and then maybe she doesn't meet the stereotype that you've given a girl to be in that kind of career.
	Like, would you still just call it off because of what she does?
	Or would you be interested into, like...
	I have a second card.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Have a second thought.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's going to vary from guy to guy.
	Like, I know that there's definitely guys that wouldn't care that much.
	There's some guys that actually push their women into doing like online sex work and whatnot.
	I can only speak for me personally.
	Like if I was talking to a girl and I found out she did that, it would be very, I wouldn't be able to stomach it because, like I was telling her, like I'm a very territorial man when it comes to my, like, I don't want to share my woman with anyone.
	Like, I don't want guys knowing what her body looks like in terms of like what she looks like underneath her clothes, what she looks like naked, anything like that.
	Like, I want that to be reserved for me and me alone.
	And I want that to be a special thing that we share with one another.
	That's one aspect of the psychology.
	The other aspect of it is I don't want my kids' mother all, I don't want her body all over the internet.
	You know, I don't want my kids to have to potentially deal with that someday because I read stories about kids who do get bullied at school for it and they end up killing themselves.
	And it's just, there's way too many liabilities there for me personally to deal with.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	I also have a question for you guys.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, it's just not right.
	She's going to be pulling me in the other direction.
	I'm trying to serve Christ.
	I'm trying to serve God.
	And she's running the complete opposite direction.
	He brought up the equally yoked phrase earlier.
	He's talking about that yoked.
	He's talking about a yoke.
	You know how oxen are yoked together with this bar that goes across their neck.
	Well, unequally yoked would be two separate animals barred together.
	It just doesn't make sense to plow grain with two separate animals.
	That's what it's like being a believer with an unbeliever.
	It's two separate species, essentially.
	Just does not make sense for me as a believer to be with an unbeliever.
	Yeah.
	To bring it back to how I answered your question too, does my explanation about the territorialness and not wanting to share a woman make sense?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Do you feel like that's fair and justified?
	I think that's fair.
	I think.
	Sounds like somebody's hit a car.
	Yeah, people drive by and try to make noises because they know the show is going on.
	No way.
	Yeah.
	Happens all the time.
	People will wait for the show to start and then they'll like rev their engine down below.
	That's hella funny.
	So that makes sense to you.
	No, it totally makes sense and that's why I kind of just wrote off that I would even find somebody that wouldn't be in anything serious until I was done doing it.
	And not because I think that that's necessarily right.
	I've just accepted, just accepted that, I think.
	I mean, you might find a guy who has tolerance for it.
	I don't know.
	I have a lot of fans for, I guess, that say that they would like to date me knowing what I do, but then once they're with me, would want me to quit.
	And I think that that's kind of hypocritical.
	It's like, wait, you found me like this, and now you want it to, like, I just, I think it's, I think it's extraordinary.
	You might feel it's hypocritical, but I would argue it's actually a good impulse.
	It's a protective impulse that a man has towards his woman, right?
	Wait, what did I miss?
	What is hypocritical?
	She was saying that guys will tell her, her fans will tell her from online that they want to date her, but once they have her, they would want her to stop her online sex work.
	And then they have, I have a lot of like breeding.
	Like they want to like put a baby in.
	Like I get a lot of that where they want, they're like, oh, I want you to have my baby.
	I want you to have my baby.
	Like so they want, yeah, they want to like take it off the market.
	Does that make sense?
	Okay.
	It's just it's just weird to me that you found me in this website and now you're trying to take it out of the game.
	Let me ask you this.
	What man would want his woman still on the market?
	Well, if she's a pimp.
	What?
	A pimp.
	Yeah.
	No, that's fair.
	But I don't technically, like, I don't see, because I'm not dating those people.
	Does that make sense?
	Like, I'm not dating the people that are coming into my chat rooms and they're not dating those people.
	Those are not the clientele, for lack of another term.
	Like, that's not, those are not my possible suitors.
	I just think it's interesting that they.
	Well, perhaps one way to address the whole hypocrisy thing is prior to dating, he had no problem with you engaging in what he considered single behavior.
	But once they started dating, he wanted her or you to act in a way that he thought was consistent with being in the relationship.
	So, for example, I mean, we a guy might, if you're single, we might not necessarily object to you going to bars, clubs, partying, posting provocative photos.
	But if we're in a relationship with you, a guy might want to rein in some of those behaviors that are kind of you're still advertising.
	Understood.
	Yeah.
	That makes sense.
	That makes sense.
	No, totally.
	I get it.
	Women go to bars and nightclubs, but if you want commitment from me, you can't go to the bar and club.
	Also, building off what he said, again, that carnal need and desire for sex that guys have programmed into them.
	Like, of course, off the bat, that's going to make them really attracted to women in that line of work.
	They're like, great, sex.
	Like, I can get sex all the time.
	But I think what he's saying, like, it's a good thing when he starts to feel that way because he's starting to see you as something more than just that.
	When he cares about you, that's when he's going to want to stop putting those restrictions into place.
	That makes sense.
	It's honestly a good thing.
	I would also, it's funny too, how this conversation has gone.
	I would also add that protectiveness, if you were to comply with that and be like, yeah, I'll take my, like, that's what a guy who's going to want to commit to you is going to want from you.
	Okay, and I think if he's a good guy and he's asking for that, and your career is that, so you live off of it, that if he's a good guy and that's what you guys want to do in the next part of your relationship, he will help guide you and figure out how you can do that transition so you don't have to lose everything and suffer.
	100%.
	That's good leadership, right?
	There's one of the things though that I think a lot of women who are involved in sex work or stripping or doing OnlyFans or just traditional adult content is they make a lot of money.
	So I think what's going on.
	There was that one chick that made like 70 grand a month.
	Oh, we've had a lot of these girls on the show that make six figures a month.
	And so I think the attitude, at least from what I've interviewed from tons of these girls that have come on the show, is, well, I would stop if they were to contin, if they were really rich guys who could provide your lifestyle, maintain a lifestyle.
	Exactly, maintain the lifestyle.
	But that's such a small portion of men that can make that amount of money.
	And so it's like.
	That's intimidating to guys in and of itself, making that kind of money.
	I don't know.
	I don't find it intimidating if a woman's.
	Not to all guys, but to some guys, it's intimidating for the female turnoff.
	Right.
	Yeah, I don't find it attractive if a woman makes a ton of money.
	But like, think about what it could do for your dynasty, Chase.
	Like, and assuming it's not from sex, think about it.
	Think about what it could do to your relationship dynamic.
	If your woman's making 20 times more money than you are, like, bro, she's mine.
	She's wearing the pants.
	That's my money now.
	That screws up the power dynamic a lot.
	Like, I'm not interested in that.
	To that point, the other day when people asked me what I was looking for in a man and I said, like, I want someone to earn more money than me.
	And I named that fake out.
	Like, a lot of people were like, oh, like, hypergama, she's only off to the money, but it's literally based off what you said.
	I know that if I'm not with a man who's going to make more money than me, it's going to completely switch the dynamics in the relationship.
	Oh, yeah.
	What if she's just super submissive, Chase?
	But she just.
	But she's a bulla, but super submissive.
	I don't know if she's got some investments or some shit.
	You know what I mean?
	I mean, dude, like, there's definitely a way to make it work.
	Like some fucking dog coin.
	Like, if it's funny, if she comes to you and she's like, hey, I'm like really rich, but I want to put you in charge of the money.
	It's like, okay, well, that's a different story.
	It's a lot of trust.
	Yeah.
	Let's go.
	Not a pre-note.
	Last thing from you, Atlas.
	In your pre-show notes to us, you said, I guess one of my hot takes is asking people's body count is immature.
	Yeah, okay.
	And so I don't even have a high body count, but like I have friends that are in the back.
	Well, maybe I do to actually maybe I do to like certain people or something like that.
	Okay.
	But I just, I don't know.
	I, because I watch a lot of dating podcasts of, it seems to be like quite a bit older people than like you.
	And they're, and their, their take on stuff like that, I kind of think is true.
	Like, it seems like people who are older and more mature aren't really having those conversations.
	And maybe it's because the woman or the man is not giving the vibe that they're sketchy, promiscuous, you know?
	So we don't need to talk about your exes.
	Like it's.
	It's because the boomers grew up during the sexual revolution and they're all degenerate fucking.
	So the guys, the two guys that I watch, I think they're like in their mid 40s.
	This was before the HIV.
	Okay wait, was it?
	Hold on?
	They're like in their mid 40s, I think.
	I think I listed their names on my application of the people I listened to.
	Um, he's like I don't want to give them free publicity, but um yeah, I just feel like, depending on how that conversation comes up okay, I think there's a certain way it could come up like kind of when I was like questioning him on it and he, the way he explained it, I can get it, but I think the way it typically tends to come up is just Kind of like, I don't know.
	I don't know how to explain it.
	Why do you feel like it's not like an appropriate question to ask?
	I know it's not.
	It depends on context.
	Do you think it's fair for a man to care about that?
	I do.
	I think, but I also not to in a certain extent.
	Right.
	So it's like.
	To what extent do you think it's fair?
	If you're worried that they are so promiscuous that they could maybe have an addiction, they could cheat on you, or maybe they have an STD.
	That sounds like some great reasons.
	So I think those are great reasons.
	To what degree do you think it's not fair for a man to care?
	To what degree do I think it's not fair for men to care?
	If you don't give off any of those vibes, like you guys have a really good relationship, you're not scandalous.
	He knows you're not promiscuous.
	Maybe he knows that you've been checked and you are clean.
	It's like, why does it matter?
	I'll tell you why it matters.
	If a woman has a body count of 50, for example, and I find that out, I'm going to be asking.
	Is that where the high starts?
	Like, where's the like?
	It's slower than that.
	Yeah.
	Like, for me, once it starts getting into double digits for me, like, I'm going to start asking questions like, okay, like, you know, tell me about your past, right?
	If she starts getting to like 15, 20, 30, like past 20, it's like, okay, what, like, I want to take a close look at it.
	What's actually happened here?
	Especially the younger a woman is.
	Because if a person has a series of failed relationships over and over again, especially a woman, there could be a lot of things that happen there.
	It's like, okay, what were you doing?
	Were you doing one-night stands for like a few years, constantly getting railed by guys at bars?
	Can I ask?
	What's up?
	So did it come up in conversation with you and your girlfriend?
	And if so, like, how did it come up then?
	It did.
	And I asked her, but out of respect for her, I don't want to say anything more about that conversation.
	But yeah, it did.
	Like, I asked her, just very frankly.
	And it was like, initially, she was like, whoa, like, why are you asking me that?
	At what point?
	And then what did you say?
	Once like we started to know that like we were interested in one another and it was like mutual, like there was a mutual understanding, then I asked.
	And what was your reasoning though?
	Because she was like, she was thrown off, right?
	She was like, whoa, where's this coming from?
	And you were like, well, this is why I want to know.
	Like, what was your like, this is why I want to know?
	It's a great question.
	Basically exactly what I'm describing to you.
	So, and I'll add some context.
	There's a lot of data on the number of premarital sexual partners somebody's had and what their likelihood of divorce is in marriage.
	And that was your idea, like going in.
	You're like, I want to know.
	Yeah, that's one of the main reasons.
	Once I saw the data on like body count and the number of partners either a man or a woman has had, I was like, yo, this is an important thing because my parents got divorced and I want to do everything I possibly can to minimize the chances of ever getting divorced to my partner.
	Like it's the worst thing that you can ever go through in marriage, obviously.
	And so it's like, there's a lot of different factors that go into divorce.
	Maybe one person is really bad at listening to the other.
	Maybe one person is like lazy, whatever.
	But the number of premarital sexual partners somebody's had, it's like a direct correlation.
	The higher that number, the higher the chances of divorce.
	So to give you an example, a virgin on average has less than 5% chance of getting divorced.
	Somebody with more than 10 sexual partners on average, 50% chance of getting divorced.
	That's a big deal.
	And this is for both sexes.
	That's a big deal.
	So if you're somebody who really cares about marriage and you don't want to get divorced, especially as a man, because men get absolutely screwed in divorce, you want to ask those questions.
	And so I was very upfront with her.
	I was like, this is why I'm optimizing for marriage.
	This is why I care.
	And it's like, there's different reasons other than that why it matters.
	It's like if somebody was a serial monogamist, for example, that's different than if they were cheating on their ex-partner, which is different than if they were getting railed at bars all the time.
	Like, there's you want to know about the person's psychology, and when you have that conversation, you can gain insight into like who are you?
	How do you approach relationships?
	And if you care about marriage, you can gain valuable information there.
	Annie, it looked like you had something to say.
	Because I must be an anomaly.
	You got to speak into your mind.
	I must be an anomaly because my husband never asked that question.
	Well, most guys in your generation don't.
	Like, it's kind of like an our generation thing.
	So, here's the thing, though.
	Rahab was related to Jesus Christ.
	So, is Tamar.
	They had some bad mojo before they were with their husbands.
	So, if you're going to truly be Christ-like, and I'm not trying to put you on the spot, I'm not trying to disrespect you.
	I don't know.
	That's not going to matter.
	Because that person, if you love them, that what they've done before does not matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	And I've been married for 10 years now.
	I just want to know.
	It's just not fair.
	It's not fair.
	That's all I'm saying.
	What do you mean it's not fair?
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Wait, wait, let me say one more thing.
	It's just not fair.
	The life's unfair.
	The world's unfair.
	Women curve short dudes because they're short.
	Brian, you get a pass because you're not these two dudes.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	No, so here's the thing.
	Because these guys are Christ followers.
	They're supposed to have grace for women in all areas.
	Because we're Christian doesn't mean we have to marry prostitutes.
	They can have grace.
	I'm not telling you guys to do that.
	Everyone can have past.
	You know what?
	Rahab was redeemed by a spy.
	I just preached on this at a church on Sunday.
	She was redeemed by a spy that cared enough for her when the walls came down at Jericho to take her out of that lifestyle.
	But isn't that the exception to the rule?
	And when you look at your lifestyle, even you say maybe I'm the exception.
	Yes, girl, you are the exception.
	Look at the other thing that happened at you.
	How to make it happen?
	I want him to expand his mind and not be so judgmental to someone he could possibly love.
	I'm mine to fully expand it.
	I will not marry a prostitute.
	I'm not saying that they're still doing it.
	Annie, may I please respond to everything that you just said?
	Okay.
	There is room for Christ-like love, and there is also room for wisdom and discernment in terms of who you are entering a marital contract into.
	Okay, you can forgive someone for their past.
	Someone can have a past.
	That doesn't mean that you're obligated to marry them.
	Okay, so if I'm having a conversation with a woman and she has a past, but she regrets her past and she's repentant of it.
	Let's say, you know, maybe she had like a bad pattern in her past.
	Maybe she, you know, was looking for love in all the wrong places, something like that.
	And she developed a habit of sleeping with men too easily or something.
	Like that, that is something that a person can learn from.
	And there's also absolutely room for Christ-like forgiveness for something like that.
	There's no question.
	You know, everybody can be made new again in Christ.
	Okay.
	Why I would care though still as a man is because I want to know what happened there.
	Because if I'm going to get married to you, unless we're signing a prenup or something like that, like I need to know who are you?
	How do you approach relationships?
	I can have forgiveness for your past, but how do you approach relationships?
	Because here in America, we've got no fault divorce.
	Is there something there that might lead you one day to just decide you want to divorce me and absolutely screw me and take my kids and half my income and everything like that?
	Is there something that could be lurking there?
	Because if there is, I want to know about it.
	You know, I'm not obligated to marry a woman with a past.
	If I'm entering into a contract with somebody, I want to know who I'm entering into that contract with.
	But you can still love them and forgive them.
	Would you say?
	You don't have to be a prostitute to do that and divorce someone and take all their money, okay?
	There's plenty of more.
	Exactly.
	Yes, yes, there are.
	There are.
	And most people nowadays are not prudent about who they marry.
	Most marriages end in divorce.
	A lot of people just get up in their feelings and they fall in love with somebody and they don't have the really hard conversations.
	They don't ask the really tough questions, both men and women.
	A lot of women don't vet men properly for their red flags.
	A lot of women end up with men who are abusive.
	Yeah, a man could have had an abusive past.
	A man could have been a murderer.
	It's a woman's job to see if that was the case because if he was a murderer, she can forgive him and have Christ-like love for him.
	But is she still obligated to marry him?
	Would it be a good idea?
	No, I'm not saying that.
	I'm just saying you just have to open your mind because what if there is a person that you meet?
	And I'm going to pray that for you, by the way.
	You're going to pray for him to be aware of that.
	I'm going to pray for him to run into a girl.
	A woman that's so, he can't handle the attraction he has, and it's so strong that it's actually spiritual, too.
	And he's like compelled to marry her.
	We're not against a Christian marrying a prostitute.
	I'm just saying.
	That's the redemption.
	That's what Christ did for the church.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Yeah, I hear it.
	It's beautiful.
	And I cry for this because there is so many women out there, and I'm going to cry for them that they just want someone to love them and give them a chance.
	You're not owed a relationship.
	You're not owed.
	I know, but still.
	But that's why Christ came so we could all be redeemed.
	I guess that's why maybe it could kind of be.
	I fight for the girls, that's all.
	I fight for the girls.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	And I respect that.
	I respect that.
	I know their hearts.
	They'll give their shirt off their back.
	Annie, I want to open up.
	They'll give their shirt off their back and they give their heart more than once.
	Trust me.
	And that's why.
	They might be great people, but Brian, can I say something really quick?
	Let me get in one of the things.
	I'm emotional because you know what?
	I'm just sad that you're not.
	Annie, I want to say, Annie, Annie.
	Okay, so hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Annie, it makes me sad.
	Annie, please listen.
	Am I wrong?
	Please, Annie, please listen.
	Please listen.
	No, you're not wrong for crying.
	Annie, I love the heart that you have for these women.
	And I love the fact that you are a voice for these women.
	You listening?
	Yep.
	I love the fact that you're a voice for these women because I can't imagine your guys' lives and everything that you've been through.
	I think it's very valuable that you're speaking up on their behalf, okay?
	Now, just like you're a voice for those women, what I'm trying to do is be a voice for men.
	And we live in a world where a lot of bad women screw over a lot of good men.
	And I understand that.
	I totally get the Jezebels.
	I get it.
	I respect that part.
	I don't want you guys to get hurt too, but we got to give each other a chance at some point.
	There's no question.
	We've got to give each other Christ-like chances, but it's also important for both sexes to be discerning about who they're getting into relationships with because there's a lot of broken families out there and a lot of broken marriages.
	And I want to try and prevent that.
	Annie, can I ask you a question?
	Would you object to a woman not wanting to date a man who's shorter than her?
	That's totally different subject.
	No, it's not.
	Are you fucking kidding me?
	No, it is not, Annie.
	No, it is not.
	But can you answer the question?
	Can you answer the question?
	Would you object?
	Would you object to a woman not wanting to date a man who's shorter than her?
	He's saying preference.
	I've dated men shorter than me.
	Would you object?
	Okay, let's say Atlas is like, I don't want to date men unless they're over six feet tall.
	Would you say that's wrong or is she justified in that?
	I mean, this has nothing to do with the sexuality.
	It has everything to do with Annie.
	Is she wanting that?
	For me, it doesn't.
	For you, it doesn't.
	If he has muscles, it's on.
	Okay.
	So basically what you're saying is it's not okay for us to have preferences, but it's okay for women to have preferences.
	That's what you're telling me.
	I want someone to buy the champagne.
	This has all got to do with redemption and sexuality.
	Somebody and mistakes being made.
	Somebody, if you were born short, that's not your fault.
	Right, but choosing to buy a bunch of people.
	People can make mistakes in their life, but they can also choose to continually do wrong, and that is their fault.
	If somebody chooses to keep doing the wrong thing, that is their fault.
	If a woman decides, I want to go have sex with 50 men at bars over the next 10 years.
	Obviously, no woman's consciously thinking that.
	But if she makes the choice continually to do that, that's her choice.
	She made that choice.
	Basically.
	I'm not tricking anybody, though.
	I'm not tricking anyone into marriage.
	I'm not tricking anyone into divorce.
	I'm putting a price out.
	It's upfront and guaranteed to give you what you pay for.
	And if they want it, they want it.
	You got what you're saying?
	If they want it, you got it.
	There's no tricky.
	There's no tricks.
	But I'm honest, but it's not a contract for relationship.
	Okay, this is the thing, though, is that when men have preferences, standards, and boundaries, for example, not wanting to date a woman who has a promiscuous past, not wanting to date a woman who was engaged in sex work in her past or currently.
	It's, I mean, to me, it's shocking that it's somehow that you can object to the message.
	I just feel like you shouldn't have to explain it.
	Yeah, I'll handle some.
	I don't know.
	Nobody can just say, no, no, no, no.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	People always have issues with male standards, male preferences, male boundaries, but nobody bats an eye when a woman says, I want X, Y, Z in a partner.
	Women are allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	Men aren't.
	If a woman says, I want to date a guy who's tall, cool.
	If a guy says, I don't want to date a woman who's overweight, whoa, you're fat shaming.
	That's body shaming.
	You're discriminating.
	Men's preferences are discriminatory.
	Women's preferences are preferences.
	It happens to be the case that men care about a woman's past, her promiscuity.
	So it's literally women as they want, and women aren't.
	This is like this conversation is like the equivalent of saying, okay, so a man's like, yeah, I don't want a woman who is a prostitute.
	This is basically the same as if a woman was like, I don't want a guy who has gotten drunk and beaten up his girlfriends in the past.
	You could have grace for a man's past, but if you as a woman don't want to be with a guy who's beaten women in the past, that's your choice, and you're justified in that.
	I don't care if a man doesn't want a woman that was a prostitute.
	I don't care.
	That doesn't bother me.
	Annie does.
	It doesn't bother me.
	What bothers me is that we pass judgment on women for sleeping with a lot of men, but women don't get to pass that judgment on men.
	Women absolutely get to pass that judgment.
	They absolutely get to pass that judgment.
	Both men and women can.
	Both men and women make judgment calls about potential partners.
	And you know what?
	And this makes the world go round.
	I'm sure you like.
	It makes the world go around.
	Okay, men pass judgment on the girls at the bunny ranch every single day on race, color, size.
	So you'll date anybody.
	You have no, there's no discernment at all without anything.
	I'm on this show to figure out how to date.
	Hello.
	Say tomorrow.
	Okay, all right, okay.
	We don't know what we're doing.
	We're going to wrap up here pretty soon.
	I just don't understand what people can't just love.
	I'm just saying.
	You guys aren't saying that.
	You guys do think everyone has women's just not your preference.
	You can love a prostitute without marrying her.
	Okay, that's the point.
	We don't want you to marry us.
	We want you to say she's legitism.
	But you are also saying that a prostitute, if the guy is okay with it, she still deserves love and marriage.
	If somebody If a guy's okay, yeah, it's just personally or not.
	Well, I but I think we're also saying here, most men are also probably gonna have an issue with it.
	Not even religious, guys.
	I think it's like a biological and psychological reaction.
	Like, take religion completely out of the picture, and most guys would still have the exact same feeling because it's biological and it's psychological.
	What is also as biological is men like women with skinny waists and wide hips so they can birth, okay?
	And I see a lot of women get married that don't have skinny waist and wide hips.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	I'm also biological.
	I see a lot of men, men.
	I can't say you don't go.
	You made a good point, Dan.
	That's going somewhere.
	I mean, if men want to have men want to be with a younger version of their wives, and they can't do that.
	Okay, well, if you're going to talk biologically, then so for example, back in the day, like going back to the what's it, the old part of your brain that we still like back, like back in those days, the only way to ensure paternity that the men was to ensure that this was going to be his child is if the woman remained single to him and committed to him, sorry.
	And so, that's why to this day, that part of the brain, men don't want to see their woman with anybody else in any capacity, even if it's just in the sense of being online.
	And in fact, marriage was accepted so that I'd love to see that marriage would still stay to take care of the child that they created.
	Otherwise, it was infanticide, and women were just throwing their children out into the street because the men weren't taking care of them.
	A little too far from the mic.
	Really quick on the body count thing, I want to perhaps open.
	Oh, maybe we should win till Caitlin, right?
	Your friend comes back.
	I'll come back to that really quick.
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	All right, and let me see what else did we have?
	Uh, she's not back yet.
	I'll wait on that.
	Um, question for maybe I should wait for that on that one too.
	Um, Chase, you asked the girls if there was any question that they had for us.
	Um, I we are trying to wrap up here pretty soon.
	Anyone you want to come in?
	Final opportunity.
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	Uh-oh, wait a minute.
	Um, do any of you have a question for us since we've asked a lot of questions later.
	I did have one for you guys, um, and it was about like the red pill rhetoric a little bit.
	And I thought, do you think maybe this rhetoric may encourage a society that lies?
	So, for example, like ideologies and reality and them not aligning, uh, do you feel like people are not going to be as honest in the days?
	Where would people be motivated to lie to clarify that part?
	For example, like the body count thing, um, or we kind of like say, Oh, you know, we can be born-again virgins or something like that, and we justify that.
	So, it's like, uh, aren't we just kind of creating false ideologies that we kind of embed with There's like three questions there, so I'm break it down however you want.
	What you related it to red pill, but I'm failing to she what she's basically saying is all the red pill rhetoric is raising awareness around the subject of body count, which could then motivate women to lie about body count and encourage a culture of lying.
	And I would say age-old.
	Yes, it's possible that that could happen.
	However, I think both men and women becoming aware of this thing and having sometimes unhealthy, also sometimes healthy dialogue about it is a good thing for society because it's making men aware of the dangers associated with it.
	It's also making women aware of how much men care about it.
	I think because many women are becoming aware of how much men care about it, there's a natural incentive there for women to avoid racking up a high body count, right?
	Because if they know subconsciously, oh, this is a standard that men have, and I'm either going to have to lie, which would suck, or I'm going to have to keep my body count down in order to find the kind of guy that I truly want, that's a natural motivation for them to not engage in promiscuity.
	I think that's a good thing.
	Could it also encourage a culture of lying?
	Absolutely.
	Are a bunch of women going to lie about it because men now care about it?
	And men as well.
	Absolutely.
	And men as well, I think.
	So in that case, what would you recommend to the viewers?
	Like, when they're dating, how can they mitigate these risks of lying?
	Yeah, like, how can you just maybe overcome the girls?
	Get a good Christian girl.
	Yeah, get it.
	A really good Christian girl who authentically believes in these values.
	I would also say, too, like, there's not really anything that you're going to be able to do about whether or not somebody's going to lie.
	Now, with that said, over time, as the relationship develops, like the truth will probably come out.
	You may notice discrepancies in what the person is saying.
	And then that might breed a really unhealthy dynamic down the line.
	Because if one person finds out that the other person was lying to them, if there's like a long span of time over which this happens, and then let's say two years into the relationship, you find out that the person has been lying to you, that's the kind of thing that could destroy a relationship.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay.
	Last two questions, then we have to wrap up here.
	So we've been talking about body count quite a bit.
	So just show of hands, who thinks body count matters?
	Who thinks body count doesn't matter or shouldn't matter?
	I've seen some good points, but just like right in between, like there's like a limit.
	There's like a point.
	Sorry.
	There's like a point where like, okay, that's like a lot.
	That's like a lot.
	But then like if it's, I don't really care, if it's not like too, too much.
	Gotcha.
	So I'll just really quick, I guess, yes or no, should body count, does body count matter?
	How about, let me rephrase it.
	Do you object to men caring about body count?
	Do you think it's kind of immature?
	Maybe they get over it.
	I mean, every time some guy has told me, I've always been like, I don't know, like that's like, because I've always like, when we say like, oh, what do you have questions for me?
	You know, like, just try and get to know someone.
	That's like the first question.
	Because I've had some guys, like, that's like the first question.
	And I'd just be like.
	Rubs you the wrong way.
	Yeah, it's just like, it's just like, um, I don't know.
	Sure.
	Do you object to men caring about body count?
	If you're starting, like, if you're starting like a relationship and whatever, they can have their own personal preferences.
	I mean, I don't really care.
	Do you think it's justified for men to care?
	If they want to?
	Yeah, I guess.
	I think it depends, I guess, now.
	So if he was going to sit down and have a conversation with me like you were saying and he's trying to really get to know me for certain reasons and it's not just to make a quick hasty judgment, then I'd be way more open to it.
	Otherwise, I think I would just kind of be like, okay.
	You'd be turned off if he asked right off the bat.
	Yeah, because it's like, why does it matter?
	Okay.
	I think it depends on the length of the relationship and where you're standing.
	If it's like a decision maker on whether you're going to stay committed to this person or move forward into the next level, I think at that point it warrants a conversation for both sexes.
	Annie, what about you?
	Yeah, I think that, I mean, I appreciate the fact that you guys are trying to show care, but I just still want to ask where the redemption is for the ones that have had higher body counts.
	They can be versus there, but it's not a good idea.
	But I'm just saying, like, I don't want to argue with you guys because I don't want to change your opinion.
	I just want you to just have empathy and love for someone that if you're not.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Maybe there's someone in your life you haven't made.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you think it's fair for a woman to care about a man's body count?
	I wouldn't care.
	Okay, but I never asked my husband.
	Those are your personal preferences.
	Do you think it's fair?
	But he told me anyway.
	Do you think it's fair for other women to care about it?
	That's up to them.
	But I myself.
	It's not fair if they did.
	I think everyone should really just forgive each other, honestly.
	I agree.
	And listen, here's the whole thing.
	If you are going to be in a relationship and you both are focusing on talking about being serious, because now it's got to that point, if you want to talk about it, I think it's okay as long as you're willing to, hey, I'm about to tell you something, and I want to tell you something, and I had to tell my husband something, you guys.
	This is why this matters to me, too.
	Right before we got married, I had to tell my husband something, and I was so afraid to tell him.
	Scared to death, you guys.
	I had the wedding dress ready and everything.
	And when I told him, he was like, doesn't matter me.
	And I was like, are you kidding me?
	He goes, no.
	Just for the slack stick for this moving conversation.
	Okay, so you object to men caring about body count?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So I've only dated one guy and he didn't ask my body count, but he said when I told him who I was, he said he wasn't concerned that I was a prostitute.
	He was concerned that I was a celebrity.
	Do you object?
	You object to men carrying.
	His concern...
	Hold on, save the story.
	Let me tell you, his concern was that I had had sex with a lot of people and that I would judge him that he would not be as good as the other people that I had sex with.
	Okay.
	Roger that, but do you object to a man caring about it?
	I never gave it any thought.
	It doesn't matter.
	Roger that.
	What about you?
	I'll be quick, but I think it matters not so much for the man's perspective, but for like as an individual being accountable for what you've done and being okay with it.
	And if you're not okay with it, then that's where the issue I like.
	But do you or do you not object to a man caring?
	No.
	Okay, okay.
	No.
	Okay.
	Okay, Amy doesn't object.
	Okay, so most of you said, you do object or, you know, whatever.
	So, and I think some of you said, body count doesn't matter, shouldn't matter.
	So if body count doesn't matter, what is your body count?
	I never really thought about it.
	I'm going to guess.
	What do you mean you never really thought about it?
	Just what there's an, it's a number, you know?
	It's kind of like one of the ethos.
	Oh, God.
	Can you scoot the mic closer towards you?
	Like, so it's.
	Yeah, I think five or six.
	Okay.
	Not too shabby.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Caitlin?
	I think like nine.
	Okay, sure.
	I think like 12.
	Sure.
	I had four prior.
	I'm sorry.
	Four prior to work, and I think I'm probably right now at like 15.
	Okay.
	Are we talking relationships or work?
	Both?
	Work.
	I combined them.
	You can tell us the relationship one and the other one, work one.
	Oh, you have a couple of ones, too.
	Oh.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, no, you were whispering.
	I thought you were talking about something about work.
	Okay.
	I wrote down the people that I slept with that I thought I was going to have a relationship with even prior to being in the sex industry and it was about 100.
	You guys are like, whoa.
	Prior to being in the middle.
	And I was about, yeah.
	Wait, so prior to doing sex work, people that you were pursuing.
	Oh, and it was during sex work as well.
	Oh, wait.
	Yeah.
	So until I got married.
	100.
	About 100.
	Oh, so including work.
	Yeah.
	About 100.
	No, no, no, not including work.
	When I was having forced sex, I'm just saying this.
	Okay, forced sleeping with people.
	It was not a choice because I was with two men.
	Yeah, and I shouldn't.
	It's about 20 or 30,000 people.
	And that was forced.
	Damn.
	Wait, hold on just a sec.
	20 to 30.
	1015 a night, 30.
	Going on calls.
	Damn, that's 10.15 a night, going on a call.
	So you were.
	Not taking a day off.
	Okay.
	When you say ice here.
	Okay, so that's work.
	So about 100 without work.
	You had a pin?
	I had two.
	Two different ones, five years each time.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	And they were very violent too, by the way.
	Oh, I'm so sorry to get on that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, me too.
	So not including work, you said 100.
	Yeah, including the time I was working.
	So, in other words, during the relationships with, yeah, when I was with the relationships with the pimp, sometimes I would meet nice guys on the side, and he was already cheating on me, I thought, with other girls because I had wife-in-laws.
	So I felt justified when I met a nice guy that just wanted to hang out with me and just cuddle me and have sex with me.
	I slept with him.
	It's just trauma.
	So sorry.
	Well, she found her man.
	I did.
	And I win.
	I win.
	And you got saved from that.
	You got saved from that.
	You get to win, too.
	Air Force Amy, what about you?
	At this point, only God knows.
	And I hope it's a lot more.
	You know where to see me?
	What about, okay, so there's men for work, and then there's men for...
	I've never seen...
	She's only had one relationship.
	I've only had one relationship.
	Yeah, but people like hook up one night stand.
	No, that's it.
	When that guy got everything, you know, like my first kiss.
	He got my first without a condom.
	He got my first everything.
	So I feel like stained now.
	You know, now I feel stained and ruined for marriage because he got my first kiss.
	All that first stuff.
	Oh, okay.
	I can get that one.
	And I'd love to.
	I'd love to.
	Including work, how much?
	Like I said, only God knows that one, honey.
	How old were you when you had that relationship?
	It was like a year ago, a year and a half ago.
	Over, under 1,000?
	Over.
	Over 1,000.
	10,000?
	More than 10,000?
	20 years?
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	God knows.
	I mean, I'm not going to try and count it.
	Sure.
	Trends for me now.
	What about you?
	I only show that with my profile.
	I thought it doesn't matter.
	Hold up.
	No, I said it doesn't matter.
	Oh, you said it doesn't matter.
	Yeah, we keep it between each other.
	Okay, there you have it, folks.
	Okay, very last thing here.
	Very last question.
	Let's see.
	Oh, wait.
	Actually, I forgot one thing.
	Hold on.
	As far as the body count goes.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	Okay, um it's always been a thing where they like tell you about the is it American Pie?
	It's American Piece.
	Is that where it started though?
	Yeah, I think it's okay.
	I hope so.
	Okay.
	Would you object?
	Let's say you, okay, here's the scenario.
	I'll pay.
	You just started dating a guy, you've been dating for two months, you want to be committed, he wants to be committed.
	And he says, hey, I don't want you going to bars, nightclubs, and parties anymore.
	Do you say, yes, babe?
	Cool.
	Or do you say, no, you're not going to control me?
	I'm going to keep going out.
	I'm going to keep doing what I want to do.
	What are your thoughts on that scenario?
	I've done it before, but at the moment, since I don't.
	So I've done it before.
	Like, I've not went out at all.
	He's been, like, he'll go out all the time.
	And I didn't really care.
	But now that I went back to partying and like being with my friends again, I will need to have like a night or two with just my friends.
	And then it's fine with me.
	It just depends.
	Okay.
	So, how often do you go out?
	Thursday, Friday, Saturday?
	Sunday?
	Monday?
	Tuesday.
	Because you guys are friends, right?
	Yeah, but I, yeah, it's just.
	Okay, this week, how often did you go out?
	We didn't go out this whole week.
	Okay, yeah.
	Okay.
	Jennifer.
	Who's going out after this?
	How often do you go out?
	They're going out.
	Okay, during summer.
	Yeah, we're going out.
	Summertime.
	Yeah, okay, during the summertime.
	During the summer, it'll just be like whenever I'll just be bored, I'll just call my friends and be like, let's go out.
	So it'll be like about.
	Five times a week.
	So it'll be like, yeah, Thursday, Friday, four times a week.
	Sometimes five.
	Sometimes.
	Not really.
	Going out doesn't count if you go out to dinner with your girl and you have some drinks and cocktails, right?
	It's more like going to the bar or going to the club or partying.
	Okay, okay.
	Pretending to be thinking about it.
	It'll be like two days.
	Yeah, like three.
	Three or two days.
	Well, you're still good.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Same with you, two or three nights a week, four nights a week, fine.
	Yeah, just, I mean, like, partying, probably like two or three, and then like just like hanging out with like my friends, like girlfriends.
	Okay.
	Like five, yeah.
	Okay.
	And so you start seeing a new guy and he says, hey, don't want to do it.
	If it's a relationship, but seeing no.
	Well, let's say you want commitment from him and he says, I'm prepared to commit to you, but I don't want you going out to bars and clubs and drink until 2 a.m. every night.
	Do you accept or do you say you're not going to control me?
	Just like that.
	Yeah, I'll accept.
	Would you?
	Or are you just saying that?
	No, I will.
	Before you said, like, no, I need at least one or two nights a week to go out with my girlfriend.
	And that's why I said, like, with my girl, like, to go eat.
	Like, that's what I was saying.
	But no, okay.
	Because I mean, when I think that's a good thing.
	Like, when I have time.
	I think of something very specific.
	But if I was like in a relationship, I wouldn't go to parties.
	Okay.
	Just the same, same thing.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I wouldn't, but that's easy for me to give up because I've already gotten to do a lot of that stuff.
	Like, I'm 30.
	Do you still do it?
	Very rarely.
	I don't really care to.
	It's like a friend, like, friends will drag me out, and then if I get a little hangover, like, I'm major regret because it just ruins your next productive day.
	So it'd be easy to kind of have no problem giving it up.
	None whatsoever.
	Yeah, me either.
	It's a welcome break.
	I don't party.
	Not much of a problem.
	Maybe just a little.
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean just a little?
	I think, like, if the person knows who you are and, like, there's moments, for example, if I haven't seen my family and we want to go out, like...
	No, I'm not... I'm not talking about...
	To the club!
	Maybe you're in the house.
	You can leave the house.
	We go out in Kosovo.
	It's like dancing.
	No, we're talking like you with your friends.
	Yeah, I know what you mean.
	Drunk.
	Yeah, a bit of dancing.
	Party, doing hood rat shit.
	Yeah, I don't know about that.
	I feel like there's like a time and place.
	These girls know what I'm talking about.
	So if the person just know you feel like there's a time and place, so if a person's like, no, what?
	What were you going to say?
	If they're just like, no, don't go out at all.
	Like, I probably would.
	Listen and understand, but I would probably not be with someone that's like that either.
	Not a problem for me.
	Rock and roll.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	I actually responded back to her.
	Wait a minute.
	But my phone died.
	Oh, my.
	Okay, whatever.
	But she knows what he said.
	He texted me on Snapchat because I DM'd him.
	And then he texted me on Snapchat and he said, Kate, someone stole your phone.
	You see, we told him.
	We told you.
	He's looking out, though.
	We need...
	Okay.
	Caitlin, maybe we can have you guys back one more time and we'll try it again with some other male friends of yours.
	Andrew, you said you have some.
	I was going to ask him a question, then I realized it was a dumb question.
	Okay, perfect.
	We have respectful friends.
	All right.
	Got a couple super chats there.
	Yeah, just two super chats, then we're going to wrap up, guys.
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	It's as simple as that.
	Hashtag JesusISTheMessiah, but God is king.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm going to have to.
	That was a great super chat overall, but I'm going to have to call you on that last part, bro.
	Christ is king.
	This is what the Bible tells us.
	Yeah, this shouldn't be a but there.
	This is a Muslim.
	This is certainly a Muslim if they're saying that.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	There you have it, Willie.
	The Quran says to believe the Bible.
	All right, we have Bender the Offender here.
	My health class teacher had a good analogy for how men and women think.
	So true.
	A man's brain is like waffles.
	A woman's brain is like spaghetti.
	Really?
	I don't get that at all.
	You don't get that?
	I don't.
	I can't.
	I like spaghetti.
	What he's saying is that men are like more logical and ordered in their thinking.
	Women are like spaghetti.
	Okay, I get it.
	Which is facts, generally speaking.
	Some dudes are also like spaghetti.
	Some women are also like waffles.
	Yeah.
	And some people are like unicorns.
	What's another breakfast food I can?
	Pancakes?
	Pancakes?
	I mean, that's pretty much it.
	A crepe.
	Some people are like, I love this crazy crazy crap.
	This is your brain.
	I hate breakfast food.
	Crepe.
	Maybe like a breakfast burrito, breakfast burrito.
	Okay, guys, we are wrapping up here.
	So, guys, thank you so much for tuning in tonight.
	Last call, guys.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Waffle gang.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel here.
	It was a good panel here.
	Be sure to, oh, these are my old notes from the show with Candace Owens.
	Thank you to all our chat mods.
	Any women who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
	Guys, we will be live again.
	What is it?
	Today's Tuesday, yeah?
	We'll be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific, and I'm going to host somebody on Twitch, and I want the panel's input and the chat's input on who I'm going to host on Twitch.
	So, let me see here, real quick.
	We have, let me see who we can raid over there on Twitch.
	Let's see.
	Okay, we got Joker, we got Bobka, and then so World of Warcraft players.
	Let me see what Joker D's up to.
	One sec, guys.
	I don't think.
	While I'm getting this, while I'm doing the raid, would you ladies date like a Chad World of Warcraft gamer?
	Oh, Chad.
	Chad, World of Warcraft gamer.
	Like, just he's right now, the big thing in World of Warcraft is hardcore mode.
	So, right now, like the top Gale Frontier, like they just cleared, they cleared Molten Core.
	They have the world bosses on farm.
	Well, they're still working on the Green Dragons, you know.
	He's super good at World of Warcraft.
	He's top 1%.
	Really good at World of Warcraft.
	Only if he's down to LARP in the park.
	What the?
	Oh, snap.
	I sense a World of Warcraft boyfriend in the future.
	Are you going to get a second gamer tag?
	Tap it on your own.
	Magic butt cheeks on Twitch.
	What about a CSGO boyfriend?
	Is that like CSGO?
	Would you date a rogue level 60 rogue?
	Oh, he's gone with me.
	Whoa!
	Oh, my God.
	Thank you so much.
	The champagne trigger is 1,000.
	Yo, thanks for that.
	Thank you so much, Mr. Meatball.
	You're a fucking legend.
	Do you get 500 more, Mr. Meatball?
	I mean, if he did five, yeah, if he did 500 more, we could pop a champagne bottle.
	But I don't know.
	We're trying to also wrap up here.
	But it's up to him.
	So I'm going to rate, those of you who are watching on Twitch, I'm going to raid Bobka.
	He's a rogue playing hardcore.
	World of Warcraft, I'll rate him in just a second.
	Someone said your love for World of Warcraft is more hardcore than my love for Christ.
	True story.
	I don't know about that.
	Do you play World of Warcraft?
	No, I used to.
	Would you be interested if he did?
	He's down to LARP in the Park.
	LARP in the Park?
	What's up?
	Slurp in the Park.
	Would you say Slurp in the Park?
	I said, let's LARP in the Park.
	Public indecency?
	Let's go.
	Okay.
	Oh, what does 500 trigger?
	I think that just mute a microphone, I think.
	But he didn't specify if you want.
	I'm into the end of the show.
	Can I just say one thing before we wrap up?
	Annie, I know we got in some contentious debate throughout the show, but I again want to thank you for your authenticity and your vulnerability, sharing your story with us, and also for the ministry that you have.
	God bless you.
	Can you get the channel on?
	Shut the front door.
	Let's go.
	Thank you, sir.
	Thank you, sir.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	You'd be nice.
	You'd be nice.
	Whoa, Mr. Meatball, you got to say something to her.
	I didn't say I said thank you.
	Oh, that's, of course.
	Yeah, that's definitely what you said.
	I did say that.
	Love your name.
	I thought maybe I heard it wrong.
	I don't know.
	Also, request for everybody in the chat.
	Yo, if you guys believe in Jesus, let's get Christ as Lord in all caps in the chat, please.
	Oh, bro, You already opened.
	What the fuck?
	It's not going to hurt.
	Point it away from the equipment.
	Point it away from the equipment.
	Take it a little bit.
	Shoot him.
	Oh, my God.
	Bro, you should have let me do it.
	Hold on.
	I'm scared.
	Don't worry, guys.
	I know how to.
	Just don't like you.
	Don't hit your equipment, bro.
	The way you answered that, I sound worried.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh!
	Oh, wow.
	Got a little silver.
	Very nice.
	Very nice.
	I like.
	Do I just start?
	Do you drink?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Little bit.
	Let's pour one out for our homies.
	Okay, just kidding.
	Perfect.
	Yo, look at all those crisis lords in the chat for the 100th episode.
	Let's go.
	To God the glory.
	I was annoyed.
	I was pressing it so hard.
	Let's go.
	What's that?
	Said, and you looked annoyed.
	I was pressing it so hard.
	Is that your cup shit?
	So I just like, I just unfolded a bunch of cups for you so you can pass them out.
	Oh, these right here?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Unfortunately, you guys are underage.
	No, this is.
	If anybody wants to come in with another thousand, just saying, we got another bottle.
	Okay.
	Schloss.
	Keep it coming.
	See what I have to do.
	I'm being a fucking crit.
	Look at all of these cups.
	Let's go.
	All right.
	Let's go.
	This is awesome.
	This is for chase.
	Keep doing a couple thousand and we'll find out.
	Like, Amy?
	Yes, please.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	How they really play where boundaries lie.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm just kidding.
	I might actually be out here pretty soon.
	I don't know.
	I might not be able to get it for everybody.
	Chase, you're going to have some or not?
	You just gave me a cup.
	Oh.
	Yes.
	I don't know if.
	Are we.
	It's almost empty.
	Yeah, it's almost.
	Looks like it's a music.
	Okay, that's good.
	I don't need a glass.
	I'm good.
	Here's one cup.
	Grace.
	Yum.
	I don't drink much.
	What is that?
	Ladies?
	It's champagne.
	I know, but like, because it does taste pretty good.
	Hey, Schloss B-brick.
	Yo, Cheers to episode 100.
	Cheers.
	Cheers to.
	Cheers to episode 1000.
	That's what everyone does in that country.
	Yeah, it's like you cheers and then touch and do that again, but with the voice you do.
	Cheers to the bunny ran.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Cheers to Hookers for Jesus.
	Cheers to Hookers for Jesus.
	And cheers to what?
	Someone said there's so many cups on that.
	Hey.
	W's in the chat for Mr. Meatball.
	He's been a patron for a long while now.
	Thank you so much for your patronage, man.
	I very much appreciate it.
	Ooh, that looks bugged out.
	Thank you so much for your patronage, man.
	Thank you for tuning in for our 100th episode.
	I've been doing this for the podcast a little over a year now, and big milestones hit, and the podcast has been doing well.
	So it was noise, so thank you guys.
	Put W Mr. Meatball in the chat as appreciation.
	Let's get some love for Mr. Meatball.
	I want to.
	W's in the chat for Mr. Meatball.
	I want to watch Andrew's video one more time and then we'll proper wrap.
	Nick, you're so righteous, dude.
	All right.
	That's a good little outro video.
	I love that video.
	Goes so hard.
	Now I can pay better attention because all I heard was the last part, not the first part.
	So I was like, what?
	Does a man get a one-night stand?
	Repent and holding the gospel.
	You don't need no one-night stand.
	You need Jesus.
	Oh, it's so bass.
	It's so bad.
	You hand it in the theme, I'll tell you.
	How do you get a one-night stand?
	So, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Let's say the same thing to all of y'all.
	Let's say it's nice.
	Let's say it on the podcast.
	Ladies, Mr. Andrew is single.
	What's your Instagram tag?
	Instagram at AC Golden0411.
	AC Golden0411.
	Don't even try to come out.
	And he's waiting for marriage.
	Would you date a Buddhist?
	No.
	No.
	Okay, just curious.
	Just curious.
	What was the question that the guy asked in the video?
	How does a man get a one night stand?
	I'm going to ask you again here.
	Andrew, how do you get a one-night stand?
	Repent and believe the gospel.
	You don't need a one-night stand.
	You need Jesus, man.
	Oh, there you go.
	All right, cool.
	All right, guys, thank you for tuning in tonight for our 100th episode.
	Thank you very much.
	Thanks again to the wonderful panel.
	We will see you guys again Sunday at.
	Wait, did I do?
	I did all the chats, right?
	Just one.
	Okay, yeah, I did.
	We'll see you guys Sunday, 5 p.m.
	Good night, guys.

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