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Brian Gets SHAMED For His Preferences?! | Dating Talk #91

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	Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Do we have to say the age?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	My name is Helen Zod.
	I'm 42.
	My name is Helen Zod.
	I'm 42 years old.
	And my occupation is I'm a business owner.
	I own several healthcare companies from home health, hospice, pharmacy, compounding, commercial buildings, and just created my own podcast and radio app.
	That is just a new project that I'm working on.
	Okay, cool.
	Very cool.
	My name is Claudia, and I'm 34, and I am a neuropsychologist, and I'm also a TV personality.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Amy.
	I'm 33, and I'm a human resources leader.
	33, you said?
	And you used to be in the military, correct?
	Yeah, I was in the Army for 16 years.
	Were you enlisted or officer?
	Both.
	Oh, both.
	You started as enlisted and then NCO or?
	Well, NCO is a non-commissioned officer, so it's what you are before you enlist.
	Sorry, before you go officer route.
	So non-commissioned officer is the same thing as enlisted.
	I'm obviously.
	Yeah.
	Okay, but then you went to college and then you like became...
	So I joined the military when I was 17, so I did college in the military.
	And then I went through OCS the last few years that I was in.
	Right.
	Because in order to become an officer, you need to go to college first, correct?
	But you can actually do it while you're going to college too.
	They have ROTC for that as well.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Um, what, uh, what was your, you were in the army, correct?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Army.
	Okay.
	What was your profession while you were in the Army?
	So I had a couple.
	42 AFA, which is human resources.
	79 Tango, which is recruiting and retention marketing.
	Wait, did you just say HR?
	Yeah.
	Uh-oh.
	Okay, no, just kidding.
	Okay, that's cool.
	What rank did you rise to?
	01. 01.
	Yeah, second lieutenant.
	Okay, very cool.
	Anything else?
	Any tours?
	Were you doing this?
	Yeah, I was in Afghanistan from 2010 and 2012.
	A few other places as well.
	How many tours did you do?
	Two in a combat zone, yeah.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	Good times, nice.
	Hey, everyone.
	My name is Sai.
	I'm 30-something.
	30-something.
	30-something, yes.
	I do.
	Okay, I'm just going to put 39.
	I'm putting 39 down.
	I have fun with that.
	Sure, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, 39.
	All right, go ahead.
	And I do fashion design on the side and documentary filmmaking, mainly.
	Okay, cool.
	Hi, my name is.
	A little closer to the mic, please.
	Hi, my name is Heidi.
	I am 23 and I'm currently unemployed.
	You said 23, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I'm Aubrey, and I'm the publicist for Turning Point USA, and I'm 25 years old.
	All right, I'm here to echo in the chat.
	Oh, oh, okay.
	I'm going to fix that really quick.
	Just don't put it on that angle quite yet.
	But if everybody wants to continue on.
	Hi, I'm Nikki.
	I just turned 28, and I'm a project manager for aerospace.
	My name is Brandon.
	I'm 25 years old, and I am a VFX artist.
	One sec, guys, just get in this fix here.
	One second.
	You guys want to do a little dance while I do a little something?
	Wow, okay.
	All right.
	Yo, guys, is that better?
	Is that better, sorry?
	Is it fixed?
	It should be fixed.
	Should be fixed.
	Let's go, Brandon.
	Let's go, Brands.
	You guys know me?
	You guys know me.
	That was probably.
	So funny.
	Okay.
	Here, guys, it should be one in the chat if it's fixed.
	We just got this new camera, so it's expected we had a little, it was a very minor, just something in OBS I forgot to check, but one in the chat if you no longer hear the echo.
	I'm assuming it should be fixed.
	All right, sweet, sweet, sweet.
	Thank you to the chat for apprising us of that issue.
	So, oh, I have one note here.
	So, Madison, Madison, there's been a lot of people calling you out for culturally appropriating German culture by you wearing that World War I Imperial German picklehaba.
	So, Madison, what do you have to say for yourself?
	I just wanted to say get into the camera so they can actually.
	From the bottom of my heart, I would like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody.
	Yeah!
	Bam!
	Okay, there you have it.
	And then a little bit later on in the show, we will be asking the panel about if you would date someone who culturally appropriated on a regular basis.
	So, we will talk about that because it's somewhat related.
	Okay, so we're gonna go around the table once more.
	What is your current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	If you're in a relationship, or well, if you're in a relationship, how long have you been in a relationship?
	And what's your longest relationship?
	Go ahead.
	I am single at the moment.
	I am single at the moment.
	I broke up on May, and it was only like almost around seven, eight months.
	And longest relationship, 14 years.
	And then after that, it was way more short, like one year, six months, two years.
	Okay.
	Were you married for the first time?
	Yeah, I was married for 14 years.
	Do you have any kids?
	I do.
	How many kids?
	Yeah.
	I have two kids, 21 and 19.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	So you had your first kid when you were 18, 19?
	Yeah, right around there.
	All right.
	Teenage pregnancy.
	No, I would like 21.
	Yeah, she's 21 and I'm 42.
	So not teenage pregnancy.
	Yeah, not a teenage pregnancy.
	She was 21.
	Oh, when you were 21.
	Okay, I'm 22.
	And she's 21.
	The math system in the U.S. is not great, you know, so I failed.
	But, okay, so the guy you were married to for 14 years, is that the one that you had kids with?
	Yes.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single, but I am talking to someone, so I'm not really that active.
	That's I had my hinted account pretty deleted.
	So yeah, so we'll see where it goes.
	So you're single, but you're talking to somebody.
	Yeah.
	How long have you been talking to said person?
	Like almost a month, and it's going well.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What would you describe the current situation?
	Like, would you call it a situationship what you have right now?
	No, I'm a person that directly talks to them and tells them that what their plan is, if they're looking for something exclusive, or if what I'm looking for eventually, if we feel a connection, because then I don't like gray areas and this, and I like to look at their emotional maturity.
	If they're the type of person that's like, I'm not really feeling this, or if he's not even open to talking to it and kind of goes me, then it's like, you know, I don't want to waste my time.
	But yeah, so we kind of know where we are pretty much right now, and it's going well.
	Sure.
	What's your longest relationship you've ever had?
	Ten years.
	Ten years?
	Were you married?
	No.
	It was high school sweetheart.
	And then we went to college.
	I went to UCSV.
	Yeah.
	Very cool.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you.
	Okay, what about you?
	Single, on and off, so not like a solid chunk of time for being single.
	Oh, you're currently in an on-again, off-again?
	No, no, no, not like a situationship, but just like, you know, like sometimes I date, sometimes I don't.
	Oh, so are you currently?
	No, I'm single right now.
	Oh, okay.
	Single right now.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	And how long have you been single?
	Just for a few months this time around.
	A few months?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Single, not in a rush.
	Longest relationship?
	About three years?
	Three years.
	Did you say how long you've been single?
	I did not.
	Oh, how long have you been single?
	I think it's about six years now.
	Six years, okay.
	You said you're not in a rush, but you're 39.
	Yeah, I know, all right?
	I'm just having fun with you.
	Do you want to have kids?
	No, I don't.
	Oh, no kids?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	So, not in that much of a rush then.
	Yeah.
	All the time to myself, for sure.
	Have you ever been married?
	Nope.
	Do you want to get married?
	I don't know yet.
	You don't know yet?
	Okay.
	Good times.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I'm currently in the talking stage.
	And my last relationship was 2019.
	Talking stage.
	How long has the talking stage been going on for you?
	Literally days.
	Literally days.
	Okay, so a couple days.
	Longest relationship?
	One year.
	One year.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm currently in a relationship, and I've been dating my current boyfriend for about five years, going on six this November.
	Aww.
	All right.
	Where's that ring?
	Is he watching right now?
	Probably.
	Or playing COD.
	One of the two.
	He's either playing Call of Duty or watching this.
	Or watching this.
	It's okay.
	Do you want to say into one of these cameras?
	Do you want to say stop playing COD and watch whatever.
	Come on.
	What are you doing, Brian?
	Got him.
	Would it be romantic if he proposed to you in the chat?
	That's so cute.
	That's cute.
	Ooh, her face.
	I think that might be brilliant.
	What if I told you that he actually actually, hold on, I'll wait for him to do it.
	Never mind.
	Did I just ruin you?
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Sorry, Rupert.
	I didn't mean to throw off your game.
	And is this your longest relationship?
	Yes, this is my longest relationship.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am currently single.
	Last official relationship was about a year ago.
	Last guy I was consistently dating, about eight months or so.
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship was five years.
	Five years.
	And you said your most recent one was eight?
	Eight months.
	Eight months ago.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I'm currently single.
	My longest relationship was four and a half years.
	What closest is mine?
	We've broke up maybe about eight months ago.
	Yeah.
	It was me.
	Yeah, it was her.
	And if you don't recognize, I don't know, did you, when you introduced me?
	Kind of.
	A few people recognize me.
	Yes.
	This is Brandon.
	This is Miss Champagne Brandon.
	Champagne Poppy.
	Who is one of our very generous patrons?
	So welcome to the podcast, sir.
	Oh, no.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Brandon.
	What do you put when you in the Streamlabs thing?
	Do you put your last name too?
	I don't want to.
	I mean, yeah, Brandon Mels.
	Oh, okay.
	You bought the whole thing.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I just wrote my full name.
	Okay.
	Welcome, welcome.
	Yeah.
	All right, sweet.
	So the first thing that we're going to talk about, and we're going to just talk, we have a lot of topics to cover.
	A lot of you sent some pre-show information.
	The first thing, really quick, we should have hit this last show, is Ariana Grande.
	Are they getting divorced?
	In any case, there was infidelity.
	She's with a new man.
	She was married for, what, one or two years?
	I don't know.
	We have some photos of her new partner, just to give some context here.
	So she's previously married to Dalton Gomez, I believe.
	It's like a realtor.
	It's pathetic that I know these things.
	It's against your will.
	So this is Ariana Grande on the right there.
	And then that's Ethan Slater, who played SpongeBob on Broadway.
	Let's just go through some of the more photos.
	Okay.
	So that's her new.
	Oh, you can't really see it.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	Or you can just.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Okay, next.
	Next.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Next.
	Okay.
	All right.
	This is nothing.
	Maybe video really quick.
	They're really doing that.
	They're really doing that.
	Next time?
	Okay.
	Yeah, next time.
	Okay, all right.
	Okay.
	Yeah, next one.
	Now, okay, here we have Mr. Ethan Slater with Ariana Grande and her eyebrows are highlighted.
	I don't know what's going on there, but and then that's Ethan Slater with his wife and they just had a kid.
	I think, I don't know the timeline, but they just had a kid.
	It's like a baby.
	So they were both married.
	Ethan Slater, the dude.
	He's married with a newborn.
	And then Ariana Grande, also married.
	Next one.
	Okay, there's the love triangle, I guess.
	I think this is the last one.
	Next one?
	They're filming a show together.
	Oh, that's the wife.
	Okay, so in any case, Ariana Grande, in my opinion, a little bit of a homewrecker.
	A little homewrecker.
	Does anyone here have any reaction to the infidelity on both sides?
	I don't like her.
	I do have a question, though.
	Like, I guess maybe you're saying it because it's trending for her and her situationships, but like, he's also a homewrecker.
	Like, he's doing it too.
	Well, the difference is, though, is he has a kid.
	But it takes two to tango.
	She's kind of right.
	It does, but.
	Are you saying that he's innocent in this?
	No, I'm not saying he's innocent.
	I'm not saying, hey, he, you know, he fucked up.
	She didn't pork herself.
	But it is a little like if you know that I do think there's a little bit more blame that can be put on one party.
	Not blame in terms of the infidelity happening, but who is more like there's more.
	Like there's, it's, it's like a much worse look, I think.
	Because it's one thing if like, okay, if you there's degrees to it, right?
	Like let's say somebody's been with someone for a week and you're the person that comes in and like, you know, interferes with the relationship.
	I think that's less.
	I still think it's not a good look, but I think that's less egregious than if you insert yourself into someone who's been married for 10 years and they have three kids.
	Then you're really fucking up.
	Like not just, there's not the infidelity.
	Did I just infidelity?
	Component.
	There's the, you're now breaking up a family and there's kids involved.
	So I think kind of same lines, I think they're both responsible, but like in reverse, like he definitely has more of a responsibility because he does have a family and he does have a newborn and he does have a wife that he was committed to, et cetera, to be a man and to not allow anything to break his relationship with his wife and to take time away from his child.
	I think he's got the onus of the responsibility, frankly.
	Although she's not scot-free.
	I mean, she's just as guilty.
	I'm just saying, like, if you're going to, you know, say she's a homewrecker, which I'm not confirming or denying because I don't know, he is a family.
	Yeah, let me clarify.
	I guess what the angle I'm coming from is, absolutely, like, he has to take into consideration he himself has a family.
	I'm just saying when it comes to the impact on the other relationship.
	So him cheating with Ariana breaks up a one-year marriage.
	Curtis Reynolds donated $100.
	What's Kaizo Hatgirl's name?
	She looks really innocent and cute.
	You should include her more in the conversation.
	Yeah, she was more part of it in our last show.
	But hey, thank you, Curtis Reynolds.
	The angle I'm coming from is the impact on the other relationship.
	So, what he's doing by cheating with Ariana, the impact it has on Dalton Gomez, they don't have kids together.
	So, that's kind of the angle I'm looking at it from.
	I read a story that they, Dalton and Ariana broke up before any of that happened.
	Is that true?
	I mean, I don't know if any of it's true, right?
	It's all clickbait, but yeah, I mean, if what you're, I think they're both both responsible, that's all.
	Okay.
	I mean, even then, she's done this like three times because when she was with Mac Miller, she ended up with Pete Davidson and then Pete Davidson, and less than two months, she was married to Dalton Gomez.
	So, she has this like a month between relationships.
	Yeah, no, it's like I'm gonna get married, right?
	Right, right.
	So, I'm not saying he should do that, but go ahead.
	So, I have something really quick to say.
	So, I was talking to a colleague about this, and one thing that we started discussing was the fact that she actually did end up going to her house when they were going and holding the baby, and like having like while she was, they were already cheating.
	So, to have this like, in order to have the psychology, to have no remorse, seeing the other, the wife holding the child and being able to have an affair with this man takes a lot of almost narcissism and almost,
	I would call her like, I take it with a grain of salt because I have no idea, I've never diagnosed her, but almost like a narcopath in order to have that kind of like, I'm holding your child, I know you, and I'm also fucking, oh, I'm also screwing your husband at the same time.
	And she does already have a behavior pattern where she does tend to break up marriages.
	And from that, we started discussing that her mother, she's a child of divorce.
	There was emotional dysregulation from the beginning of a child because a divorce does impact the child.
	And I have no idea if she got therapy, she self-soothed.
	Most children don't get self-sufficient.
	So, hold on just a sec.
	$180.
	You love your podcast.
	You talk about such great topics.
	I love bringing them to my friend Zendee, having the same discussions in my life.
	Deaf some weird girls with dumb perspectives you have on the show, mom.
	I love when Maddie mocks you.
	Ha ha.
	Yo, Banana Deep.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate the TTS.
	Maddie's not mocking me.
	She's just like my, she just copies everything I say.
	She's like my mini-me, but a different race and gender.
	Okay.
	So, okay, continue with your point.
	So that, so, I mean, it's just like, it seems like she just has already something there that hasn't been doing, and she just has already this behavior pattern that might continue.
	And she doesn't have, you know, because she already knows that she can take a man from a wife.
	So that behavior, and no one stops her.
	She's a celebrity.
	She's one of those people that say, get yes to, you're doing fine.
	Who cares if you destroy someone's life?
	So, you know, it's just going to continue.
	And it's kind of gross.
	Yeah.
	It's disturbing behavior.
	I'm not going to say gross, but yeah.
	But the other party, I agree, is also hit the SpongeBob guy.
	That's another thing.
	No, yeah, I don't know.
	Anyone, any other thoughts from anybody on the.
	Are we basing this all on what we get on the news, though?
	Like behind closed doors, something else happens.
	Always a story there.
	So it's so hard to pass judgment, especially because they are in front of the camera.
	Well, always, anyway.
	Very limited perspective.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Yeah, we don't know the whole story.
	Who knows what actually happened?
	But in any case, it does seem like I suspect both their marriages are over.
	And I think Ariana is going to be on to the next guy pretty quick.
	Pretty quick.
	So I feel like he's kind of this guy with his wife and his kid is throwing away his marriage for a short fling with Ariana Grande.
	Kind of sussy.
	You're so invested in her.
	What do you mean?
	I don't know.
	Why is that sussy?
	Because she's single now.
	Yeah, you're like you're waiting or something.
	She's not going to be single.
	What do you mean about that?
	If the RGB is not going to be a matter of time.
	I'll get with Ariana.
	What's up?
	My DMs are open.
	Hey!
	Wait, why is it sussy?
	Why is that sussy?
	He's asking our feedback.
	Like, so what do we think if I start dating her?
	Like, what do we?
	I have to say that the man's the head of the household.
	You're supposed to be protecting your family from things like unwanted intruders.
	And sometimes you have to protect your family from yourself and your selfishness.
	So is it really Ariana's fault?
	Yes.
	Well, I think it's both people.
	Both people's fault.
	I feel like he had a little bit more of a responsibility to say, hey, no, I'm SpongeBob on Broadway.
	Please, Ariana Grande, leave my family alone.
	And he didn't do that because would you?
	Look at her.
	Thank you next.
	Well, speaking of thank you next, on to our next topic.
	We're going to talk about this TikTok kind of went viral recently, Mia Khalifa, if you can pull that one up, Nick.
	Speaking of marriage, too.
	All right, if you can play it for us.
	Oh, we're comparing stats.
	Baby girl doesn't know that I am Tom Brady at this game.
	Married at 18, divorced at 21.
	Second marriage, married at 25, divorced at 28.
	Third engagement, engaged at 29, ended it at 30, but I kept the ring.
	I'm still keeping Tom Brady on his toes.
	We should not be afraid to leave these men.
	We are not stuck with these people.
	Marriage is not a sanctimonious thing.
	It is paperwork.
	It's something, it's a commitment you make to someone.
	But if you feel like you're not getting anything from that commitment and you're trying, you gotta go.
	You gotta go.
	You have to go.
	I know it's difficult to fill out paperwork and to make appointments and to do all of these things, but this is your fucking life.
	Do you want to be stuck with someone?
	Period.
	Do you want to be stuck with someone?
	Okay, we're going to go around the table.
	Your thoughts on the video, if any, and we'll go around.
	Well, I kind of agree with the idea of like we are not supposed to be stuck with the idea of the marriage.
	And then so if it's not working, you should, if one, if between parties, they're not aligned together.
	I think definitely they should, you know, move apart and get separated.
	But I'm not, I don't think me personally, I don't think like we should jump in and get married to someone.
	I think we should like definitely date them for a couple of years.
	And then after five years, maybe if you really want to like spend like the rest of your life, which I think is nonsense because we evolve, we grow, we are completely different people every year, every five years.
	And if that person wants to grow with us, welcome.
	Let's live this journey together.
	And if not, then I'll walk on this journey on my own with someone or with someone else.
	Well, I definitely think that being her, I think that she does have, she's on the, she's on the right track that you should not stay in a marriage if you're not happy.
	But I do believe her, and this is not biased.
	Wait, so if you're not happy, you should just leave a marriage.
	Wait, I have a point.
	I'm not done.
	Go ahead.
	I have a different perspective on marriage.
	Of course, for me, I was raised with really strict parents and a really strict Catholic upbringing.
	So I think for me, marriage is forever.
	That's why I'm very choosy when it comes to who I'm going to end up marrying.
	But with people that have worked, and this is completely just, I'm not being an unbiased opinion, just from data.
	Just say it.
	Sex workers tend to have ignored their amygdala for a long time.
	So they rush on survival mode.
	So for them, their relationships tend to be chaotic, roller coastery, very fun, very up there.
	So when they get into that phase where that honeymoon, the adrenaline, the excitement is over, they know that they're going to move on to something that gives them that same excitement.
	If it starts to get slow and like kind of mediocre, which is a healthy relationship, once that honeymoon, once that adrenaline is gone, you should be, you know, working through the marriage by spicing things up.
	She has a million of guys that are looking after her.
	Of course, she's going to divorce them and get that excitement, get those butterflies again, get that roller coaster feeling again.
	So of course her marriages don't work because she needs that adrenaline, that high, that stuff again, because she's still living off survivable.
	It's very hard for sex workers to come off to feel, to heal themselves sometimes and get themselves back into emotional regulation.
	Yes.
	Sorry.
	Thousands of people.
	But it happens.
	And it's the same thing with sex addicts too.
	It's very hard to, because their core pleasure has already been bonded in their brain.
	So it's very hard to find something else that brings them that pleasure.
	You have to be very mentally strong and have to do the work.
	So I think that's why her marriages have been failing.
	And that's it.
	That's me.
	I totally believe in marriage.
	I definitely want to get there one day.
	And I definitely think that you should be wise about who you marry.
	You should take your time to make sure you're making the right decision.
	Because once you enter into that with somebody, I think it should mean something significant.
	And you shouldn't give up so easily.
	But at the same time, some marriages are warranted to be separated.
	Well, I could see that she definitely has a pattern.
	So my question, it's more of a question.
	Should marriage be the ultimate goal of any commitment?
	I mean, it's time.
	We talk about relationships all the time.
	Maybe there are other modes of being together that does not necessitate getting married.
	Such as forever commitment.
	I mean, it's up to the people to define that.
	I'm outside of it.
	I thought you were talking like polyamory or something.
	Do you have experience with that?
	I don't.
	None?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think she needs to have better discernment in choosing a partner because obviously she's treating these men as disposable.
	Okay.
	I think that's a really great point.
	I couldn't disagree more with this video.
	I think that when it comes to the highs and lows of marriage, not everything's always going to be that the butterflies and the roller coaster and things like that.
	I think that two people are better than one.
	And I believe that together you can really take on the world a lot better, as cheesy as that may sound.
	And for what women lack in, men make up in, and what men lack in, women make up in.
	Or vice versa.
	I think I might have just said the same thing twice.
	But you understand what I mean.
	And I think that it's a very ignorant thing to say what she's saying.
	And if she's dating Tom Brady, did I hear that?
	She is or was?
	What?
	She said something about Tom Brady in the video.
	If she's trying to date Tom Brady, then Tom Brady can do a lot better and he should go back to his family because men need to be in the home.
	Love that, Frank.
	Yeah, I disagree with Mia Khalifa.
	Kind of what you said, she brought the DSM up in the DMs, diagnosing and everything.
	But nah, no, she's saying marriage is not a forever commitment.
	Well, it is.
	That's why I feel like a lot of people don't realize that.
	They think it's going to be some fairy tale.
	And it's not.
	Think of how you are as a person and how annoying and lazy and stupid you can be.
	Now you're chaining yourself to someone else who's going to have those ups and downs.
	So you have to be accepting and loving enough to realize, crap, they're going to not be perfect all the time.
	Neither am I.
	But let's still agree to give ourselves the best of each other and help each other grow into lovely human beings.
	But yeah, it's definitely forever.
	Should be.
	Yeah, all I would say is I would not take any sort of advice from Mia Khalifa for relationships.
	Why not?
	I don't think anybody should be taking advice from her.
	Yeah, relationships are hard work.
	So at the end of the day, I think the goal is marriage.
	All I got to say is I completely disagree.
	I definitely really thought those couples that are 40 years in getting advice from them, how do you do it?
	I think those are the cutest stories of how they made it work.
	You have to just deal with them.
	suck sometimes and then they don't and those are the times it's good yeah you're not gonna be happy with somebody 24 7.
	Yeah.
	The rest of your sickness.
	It doesn't matter.
	Well, I mean, given what she said, and granted, she's been thrice divorced, and she's an ex-sex worker and is very publicly out there on the Internet.
	However, I do think there certainly there's...
	What's up, Nick?
	Maybe she could turn her mic a little bit this way so it doesn't hide her face when she talks into it the other way.
	Okay.
	I think a lot of women actually kind of agree with her to some degree, though, about if you're not happy in a marriage, then you should leave.
	But, you know, when you're raising kids, I think your personal happiness takes a back seat.
	Now, obviously, I don't think that you should stay in a genuinely abusive situation.
	However, you're, for example, when you start having kids, maybe going out to music festivals and going to the nightclub, maybe that takes a back seat.
	Maybe you cut that out entirely.
	Maybe you previously, in a previous life or when you were younger, had fun doing those things.
	But now that you have kids, I think that shit is off the table.
	Like your focus should be your kids.
	Yeah.
	Not hoeing around at a club or bar.
	Like, no.
	So I don't think that, again, like, if you're in a bad situation, you're being abused.
	Like, yes, absolutely leave.
	But if, like, just, I'm not happy, I don't think that's a valid reason to get divorced.
	From what I'm hearing, it almost sounds like Being a woman depends entirely on being good with motherhood.
	So do we like limit being a woman to that?
	I know it's important, yes.
	What do you mean?
	Because you keep saying, oh, but the kids, the kids first, the kids first.
	What about the other aspects of being a woman?
	Like her happiness unto herself.
	If she's not fulfilled in her marriage, if she's empty, what is she supposed to pour out into loving her kids?
	But is that her husband's responsibility to make her happy?
	It's not.
	That's exactly.
	It's not her husband's responsibility.
	It's her responsibility to look for what makes her happy.
	Because at some point, like when you give and give, which is what I see, I come from a very traditional family, and I've seen my mom give and give.
	You take a pause and wonder.
	I take a pause and wonder, what could have my mom been if she wasn't focused entirely on us?
	And now we have options too.
	Okay, I take back options.
	I think people are kind of triggering options, right?
	But maybe there's more to being a woman than just purely motherhood.
	Well, I don't disagree with you.
	I don't think you, if you decide you do the calculus on your life and decide, hey, I don't want to have kids, that's fine.
	And there's a lot of push, I think, in certain, like, more conservative traditional circles to be like, you need to have a kid.
	You need to have a kid.
	You need to have a kid.
	And look, granted, I do think that there is a sentiment out there of like, hey, a lot of people are not wanting to have kids.
	Maybe some of those people have been misdirected or might be confused.
	But I do think there are people out there who have actually just done a self-assessment of themselves and they're like, maybe they're just really self-aware and they're like, yeah, I don't think I'd be a good parent.
	Therefore, I'm not going to have kids.
	Or some people are incapable of having kids.
	So if I personally don't object to someone if they don't want to have kids, I think that's fine.
	But, you know, teach their own, I guess.
	What do you think are valid reasons not to have kids?
	What are some valid reasons to not have kids?
	like well i mean it could be a temperamental thing if temperamentally you think you would potentially like if you think you'd be a bad parent that's a bad parent how Huh?
	A bad parent how.
	Hold on.
	I remember a plaque I saw once.
	Marriage isn't finding the right person.
	It's becoming the right person.
	I love that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Which is kind of just a word.
	Sounds like my next tattoo.
	The new live laugh loud.
	I have no tattoos.
	But so to answer your question, what are some reasons why someone shouldn't have kids?
	I mean, if you just think you wouldn't be a good parent, or if you genuinely want to, for example, you think that having children would, and there's arguments against what I'm about to say, but if you have some ideal or goal that you're trying to pursue and you think kids would be a detriment to you achieving said goal or said achievement, that could be, I think that's a valid reason to not have kids.
	Of course, the counterargument to that is, well, when you're 90 and you're on your deathbed, or even younger, let's say, you're probably not going to be remembering all those late nights that you spent at work.
	And those are probably not going to be the cherished moments that you think about.
	But some people are very achievement driven.
	So that could be a reason.
	And also, here's the other thing that a lot of people say, well, isn't life going to be lonely if you don't have kids?
	having kids doesn't preclude you from having a lonely life either because you could have kids and they could be i think one fear at least for me for example when it comes to having kids what if your kid's a fuck up like a degenerate drug addict like you know just Aren't you going to tell them not to do drugs?
	Well, I mean, you can't.
	I don't think that's a good thing.
	I don't think that's effective in a lot of cases.
	Well, I mean.
	Well, like, tell them why.
	Like, it's going to ruin your life.
	You're probably going to be broke.
	Do you think that's all it takes to ensure that the child doesn't end up doing drugs?
	Now, granted.
	I, of course, think growing up in a loving household and having being raised right can certainly have a very strong contributing factor to the way you turn out.
	However, I'm sure there's people that were raised in otherwise normal households and they still, whether they're they still end up straying in either crime or drugs or whatever it may be.
	You just had somebody on your show recently.
	I was watching an episode and there was a girl who was like, you know, raised in like this Christian household and had great family values and the whole nine yards and it sounds like she was a sex worker.
	So it doesn't matter how amazing your parents were, how much structure you had.
	Sometimes it does the opposite.
	It makes you kind of rebel because it was so structured.
	So yeah.
	Yeah, that is true.
	I think there's certainly that.
	Brian, can I make a comment about the last thing you were talking about?
	Sure.
	So when it comes to, you mentioned achievement.
	I think ultimate achievement in life would be leaving a legacy that you are proud of, not just professionally, though, it would be with children.
	So to me, I guess my question to you, I'm sorry, I forgot your name, would be, you mentioned you didn't want to have children, correct?
	Okay.
	I guess what is the point of life to you then if you don't want to have children?
	Is it just to be here and have a grand old time and then it's all over?
	I mean, don't you want to leave some kind of an impactful legacy that will continue on for generations and generations?
	I would not want it if my legacy is passing on a chronic illness.
	So it's like we are talking about this and it's all external.
	Hold on, just a second.
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	I know too many young 21 to 23 year old moms that are clubbing, hoeing around, doing pills.
	It's so sad and disgusting.
	They care more about living their life than enjoying being the mom of their child.
	Baby daddies are trash too.
	It's a shame for the childs.
	Yo, Banana Deep.
	Hey, thank you for the TTS.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, I mean, there's definitely, I think for both men and women, there's definitely a lot of that going on.
	People being absentee parents are just not really giving it the appropriate focus that it needs.
	So, and let me just trigger this really quick and then we'll come back to you.
	Valdiv, hey, thank you for the 50, appreciate it.
	If you'll want a good giggle, go watch Brittany Venti's new video, hard trolling that old nerd Rolo.
	Side note, I once saved Brian from a ravenous flock of birds.
	This is true.
	Valdiv did in fact save me from some pelicans.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, so the question is, what would be my legacy?
	You're talking about an illness, like passing down an illness.
	Do you want to say that?
	What would the purpose of your life be without leaving a legacy behind you?
	I would go back to just finding out who I'm supposed to be.
	The thing is, we focus on the external.
	What about going back into the individual?
	Like, in my experience, I have an autoimmune disease that I would not want to pass on, right?
	So obviously, having kids, that's definitely out of the picture because I don't want someone else suffering like I do.
	So I need to have a different perspective on how I would enrich my life.
	If you don't mind me asking, what is the autoimmune?
	It's Hashimoto's thyroiditis.
	That's related to thyroid.
	Yes.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Do you take you take medication to treat it?
	Okay.
	And is it heritable, right?
	It is.
	Is it like a pretty high chance of passing it down to your kids?
	Either you pass it on, you kind of die giving birth.
	So it increases your risk of mortality, is it?
	In childbirth?
	It does, yeah.
	If you have Hashimoto's?
	I didn't know that.
	I also think that personally I do want to have kids.
	I'm so close to my sister.
	She already has, she's pregnant and she, so I have baby fever.
	My nephew's like my best friend.
	Like I absolutely adore him, would want anything.
	And I got super baby fever.
	But I feel like as a woman, there's more than give.
	I do believe that women can leave a legacy.
	Like you can like, like, there's an orphanage in TJ that I really, it's not mine, but I asked one of my ex-boyfriends if he can get it for me because they were going to shut it down.
	And that's a big thing for me.
	And also, like, right now, like, I'm writing a book on domestic violence because I think domestic violence is big in my community.
	And it's going to be in Spanish.
	So that's something that, you know, if God doesn't give me children for whatever reason, you know, I know that I'm going to leave something for my community because, you know, a lot of them don't believe in therapy or it wasn't big and, you know, it just wasn't taught to them.
	It was just tough it out, don't cry, or go to church and that's it, you know?
	And so, you know, there's other ways I believe that, you know, you can leave a legacy, you know, but definitely I understand that some women, you know, they have that baby fever and whatever happens, happens.
	And there's so many women that can't have kids too, that try, that do IPF and all these other things that literally just, it's not successful.
	So I want to make sure that I honor those women, that you do leave a legacy even if you can't have children.
	Yes, most definitely.
	And that's a great point.
	Autoimmune diseases, things of that nature, you know, unable to have children for some reason.
	100%, yes.
	But if you are of able to have children, I guess that would be, in my mind, the most important legacy that a woman who's able to childbear could leave.
	Well, is your life not worth living because you have an autoimmune disease?
	Wait, what?
	It is, of course.
	But like, I wouldn't have to.
	Wait, we were talking about motherhood, though.
	Yeah, so you're saying, like, you know, yes, I don't want to have kids.
	You don't want to pass found disease.
	Well, isn't your life still worth living even with your disease?
	It is.
	That's why I'm going out of my way to enrich my own life, not having to focus on motherhood.
	Isn't our life?
	It kind of sounds like a hard issue.
	Just people don't want to have kids because they're selfish.
	No, like I want to focus on me, my own story, me, I don't think like we are here just because we are supposed to leave a legacy.
	Like, how about me today, right now, in the moment?
	So my life and my moments is not about what I'm unpassing to the future.
	Maybe there is no future.
	Maybe this is it.
	That's it.
	We're all going to die and it's the end of the world.
	So my life is about what is it that I'm doing today and what type of energy and vibration I'm sending out.
	Are you saying that women are selfish if they don't have kids?
	Okay.
	I'm saying people who think a good enough reason is, oh, well, kid's going to get in the way of me doing whatever I want to do to make myself look cool or just to live my life and not have any real responsibility.
	More power to them.
	Yeah, that's a choice.
	That's a choice.
	I think people should have a choice.
	But those people should not have.
	Like, I want to choose to have a kid or not have a kid.
	Like, we can choose what kind of career we want to have, right?
	We should be able to choose what kind of lifestyle we want, what kind of marriage we want, what kind of relationship we want.
	Do we want to have kids or we don't want to have kids?
	It should be a choice.
	Like, we all should have that.
	Okay.
	Just a quick question.
	With all due respect.
	So if you didn't have the autoimmune disease, would you want to have kids?
	Still no.
	Why?
	Because I would focus on myself.
	I mean, I could see chat here.
	Yeah, so it's easy to throw around the word selfish, but if you go a little bit and let's say, let's read up a little bit.
	Like, I think it's worth it to know who you are as a person.
	Selfish doesn't have to be a bad thing.
	I know, exactly.
	That's my point.
	It's like I applaud everyone for wanting.
	Oh, sorry.
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	Thank you very much.
	I have a couple more points on marriage, but you wanted to continue with your point.
	Okay, my train of thought.
	Oh, not getting, not having kids, even if I didn't have an oddly disease.
	Oh, okay.
	Focusing on myself.
	Well, in general, focusing on individual.
	As I was saying, you know, you guys, I love hearing that you want to contribute to community, right?
	Outwards.
	But I feel there is merit to getting to know who you are as a person.
	Finding that out first before, you know, doing a lot of external stuff.
	Like, how am I supposed to help myself?
	How am I supposed to help others if I don't know who I am exactly?
	If I don't know what I could bring to the table.
	But don't you think you can learn a lot about yourself by being a mother?
	Most of the mothers that I know, they're like born-again people.
	They are like have completely found themselves.
	I frankly do think that it is selfish of women who are of childbearing age and are able to do so, who choose not to have children.
	I do think that that's selfish.
	Not in your case, I do completely understand where you're coming from, but I do think it's selfish.
	But why am I definitely girl boss, and I get it, but at the same time, like, oh, you know what?
	I think we were sold this lie of like, yeah, do whatever men can do.
	Rise up the ranks in the corporate ladder and all that.
	And I'm like, well, why is everyone so unhappy?
	Like, it doesn't really make sense.
	Yeah, it creates a much bigger problem because we're facing a huge population decline that's absolutely rapidly declining.
	We will not continue on as a species in the way that we have known it so far if women continue to choose to just be boss babes all the time.
	They're not mutually exclusive.
	You can go and have a career and then have children as well.
	You can do both things.
	You can do it.
	Yeah, but having a choice of being a boss babe, but what it has anything to do with having a kid or not.
	It's like two different things.
	Yeah, you don't have to.
	Let's say I'm a boss, but your personal matter, having a baby, bringing a baby to this world is completely another, like a different aspect of your life.
	So it has nothing to do with together.
	Yeah, I definitely want to say, like, I would encourage you guys to refrain from being so general about all women are selfish if they don't have kids.
	Because there's so many reasons, selfless reasons, why women don't have kids.
	I was in the Army for 16 years, as an example.
	And so, you know, I did that for the bulk of my career.
	And there's so many women flying planes, diffusing bombs.
	You know, there's a lot of examples of why a woman would choose service or a lot of other factors over having children.
	So women are not just on the earth to be baby makers.
	There's women that can't have kids, that prefer themselves their well-being, their happiness, whatever, genetic things, whatever.
	So I think I would just encourage you to lean in there and not generalize all women as selfish if they choose not to have kids.
	I'm including both sexes, by the way, not just women.
	Oh, yeah, either way.
	But also, you have a good point saying you were in the Army for 16 years.
	That makes sense why you didn't have a kid.
	But the essence of being unselfish is you dedicating yourself to this country.
	So it's the same idea.
	It's not with a child, but you are still giving up what you can to serve other people.
	So actually adding people to the planet is serving.
	That's not what I said.
	Because you said serving other people.
	So you're putting in your time and your effort and you are serving people.
	And you chose to do it in the army, which is really great.
	Other people do that and they choose to add to society by having a child that they raise up to be like a good, helpful human being.
	There's a lot of women that should have no business having kids, too.
	That's like no business.
	Of course, there's a lot of people.
	Why are we just saying women, guys?
	There's some version of kids in there.
	Well, men cannot push out children, but I think the bulk of the bulk.
	The bulk of the conversation has been about like, because you guys said that women are selfish if they don't have kids by choice.
	Not women.
	Both genders.
	I think I might have said that, but you can't.
	It would.
	Somebody said it.
	That's why I'm reacting to it.
	So, yeah, I definitely think that by making it like an intelligent choice, she said, I don't want to have kids.
	And she has a reason, but I think that would some women say, I don't have to do that.
	Personally, I wouldn't want to see people forced into having and raising children who are fully committed in doing so.
	We have enough messed up people in this world.
	We don't need to add more.
	How do we fix that?
	I agree.
	How do you fix this this whole thing?
	But that's a deeper rooted issue.
	Oh, you have to do that.
	I've got a 14 hour son, yeah.
	Okay, you have a son.
	Okay, got it.
	Okay.
	This is a plot twist.
	So as I was saying, there's definitely some people that, some women that haven't made that choice where they don't, that where they're not financially ready, mentally capable, or even have the empathy to be mothers, and they still have children.
	And then we have them.
	When I was younger, they have as like caseworkers, they have like, you know, they bring these mothers in, and it's chaos.
	What the cruelty, the negligence, the abandonment that these people do to these kids is traumatizing even to me.
	I don't work with children because of that reason, is because I can see what these mothers do.
	So I think that in order to do that, I think that it should be more of an intelligent choice that some mothers should not have children because they just can't be proper mothers because they have, you know, whatever mental illness, mood disorders, personality disorders, or whatever, and they are actually causing more harm than they're causing good to the children.
	And I do have some friends that, you know, they decided to climb the corporate corporate ladder.
	And good for them.
	I personally do want children.
	But that's my choice.
	And do I think I'm capable?
	Yes, I am.
	I'm ready for kids.
	And this is something that I hope it's going to happen too because I know how old I am now.
	But you know what I mean?
	But I definitely think that not all women should be mothers.
	For sure, not all women should be mothers because of the cruelty that they can do to these kids.
	And it can happen in one minute and they have destroyed these children's lives.
	And to heal from that, it may be never.
	Oh, thanks.
	Thank you, Alvin.
	The decision to not have kids is not always a selfish decision.
	Raising kids is extremely expensive nowadays when you include the rising costs of living.
	It takes longer for men to be financially stable, so how can you say it's selfish?
	You're stupid.
	Hey, Alvin Sam, much appreciated.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Thank you, man.
	I have a take on the marriage thing.
	So I actually think, now this is a different conversation than having kids because you can have kids with someone and not be married with them.
	You can have a long-term relationship.
	You can have a lifelong relationship with someone and not be married.
	I don't think men should get married.
	I'll take.
	Just wait.
	So just women should marry each other?
	How does that work?
	Tell me more, Brian.
	Why not?
	Let's unpack that together.
	Well, okay.
	No trauma dumping.
	I'm a man, so I'm speaking kind of on behalf of men.
	I don't think men should get married because of the financial ramifications of divorce.
	Well, that's what prenups are for.
	Prenups constantly get thrown out.
	What about women who make more money than men?
	That's the opposite.
	How about when the man comes after you?
	There's a lot of women that make more money than men.
	I know lots of women that they are financially responsible to pay the man.
	You know a lot of women that are paying a little bit.
	I have done that myself.
	Congrats.
	How much do you pay?
	You said, hold on.
	Let's talk about your situation.
	You were married for 14 years, correct?
	I did not work when I was married.
	Oh.
	Zero.
	And then two years after my divorce, he opened the case for child support.
	Based.
	And then, yeah.
	And then because I kind of have an interesting life story.
	And over like within a year, I became like over a year, like I had companies that were making multi-million dollars.
	And then when he found out that I'm making money, he came after me.
	He opened the case.
	Quality.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so okay.
	hold on so don't be generalized you were how long are you still paying alimony no No, after they were 18 years old, after they were 18 years old, I stopped.
	Oh, after the kids?
	Kids were 18 years old.
	Well, that's child support, paying for the money.
	Child support.
	No, no, no.
	I only paid child support.
	You didn't pay alimony?
	Okay.
	Even though you were married for, were you married in California?
	Yes.
	Did he attempt to go for alimony?
	I can't remember.
	What's the time limit to be married for alimony?
	Well, that.
	She was married a long time, but I was married a very long time, and I never worked in that 14 years.
	I worked after my divorce.
	Okay, interesting.
	Yeah, I'm sure it's complicated by that.
	Yes.
	So, but you were paying him child support?
	Yes.
	How much were you paying in child support?
	$70,000 a year.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Why didn't he go for alimony?
	I mean, okay, maybe he wasn't able to do that.
	Because I did everything in order not to pay him.
	Ah, okay.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Well, I will say this.
	While it is certainly the case that some women will pay men child support or alimony, my understanding is that 90% of child support payments go from men to women, and 97% of alimony payments go from men to women.
	So I suppose if you're a woman, then you're making a shit ton of money.
	To be fair, in the court system, there is a bias against men.
	However, like you will, if you're the breadwinner as a woman, you might be, you're still going to, if your husband wants to, he can go after you for alimony and child support if they were children.
	But in any case, if you're a man and you're the breadwinner, which is still the majority of relationships, I don't recommend it for men.
	So I don't think men should get married.
	Brian, what's your vetting process for dating people?
	What do you mean?
	What's your data?
	How do you determine if they take an engage?
	What's your deal?
	Well, actually, I kind of want to shoot my shot.
	So Ariana Grande.
	Ariana Grande.
	Let's call her back up.
	So actually, Sy, right?
	Yes.
	I have mild hypothyroidism, so if you really want to fuck up our kids, maybe we should.
	I'm just saying.
	Just saying that's a perfect combo.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	But what was the question?
	I was just asking your dating status.
	You didn't share yours.
	As a man of God, I do not reveal myself.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, that sets the tone for the rest of what I'm going to say on this show.
	But no, when it comes to marriage, what was your question over here?
	My question was, how do you vet people to date and pursue a relationship?
	Because wouldn't you be able to catch like, oh, she's just after me for my money.
	She doesn't actually take an interest in me.
	But okay, here's the thing.
	More than 50% of marriages end in divorce.
	So do you think that of all the people that get married, do you think going into marriage, they're thinking, yeah, I'm probably going to get divorced within the marriage.
	She thought that.
	Yeah, but like, how many people who get married, they're on their wedding day, they probably think, yeah, this is it.
	This is the one, this is for life.
	And then one year, two years, three years go by, things change.
	Who knows what finances can change?
	That's a big reason for divorce is financials.
	Most people when they get married probably aren't anticipating that they're going to get divorced.
	So how many people are in that position of thinking, I've properly vetted this person, I'm in love, they're amazing, and then they're divorced.
	Even religious people.
	Yes.
	I was religious and I had no desire to be divorced because I just want to be a good kid for my mom and dad, society and family and everyone.
	And then I realized I'm completely sacrificing myself and completely creating another identity for someone else.
	So then I decided to walk out.
	Yeah, well, I think one thing, and I've written this down.
	So, and maybe some of you might agree with this.
	Men marry women with the hope they will never change.
	Women marry men with the hope they will change.
	That's definitely true.
	Very true.
	Invariably, they are both disappointed.
	So, you know, in the military, 80% of people get divorced.
	But what I do want to say, but when it comes to the military, there's some, there's certain financial benefits.
	Well, that's what I was going to say.
	So when you're talking about your data that you just presented, like 50% of marriages end in divorce, there's a few things I just want you to consider that skew the data.
	So there's financial incentives in the military, or even like living arrangements.
	So if you live on base and you're married, you have the option to live off base, which is preferable for a number of reasons.
	So people do that.
	But then you also get paid more money if you're married because you have a dependent now on your record.
	So the army gives you, or all the military services give you more money.
	So people quickly get divorced, but it's an incentivized thing to do that.
	Then the other thing is religious.
	So like Mormons is an example.
	They can't date.
	They can't have sex without getting married.
	So they get married.
	So they are, in the eyes of God, okay to have sex.
	And that's true of a lot of religions.
	And so in order to break up with that person and get a new partner, they have to get a divorce.
	So there's a lot of things skewing true actual marriage that you should just have to consider in that.
	You mentioned the religious thing, though.
	I would say, though, that if you were to compare that cohort of people who are very religious and they didn't have sex prior to getting married, and like I would, I'm pretty sure the divorce rate amongst people who have either a very low sexual partners prior to marriage or who are virgins is very, very low compared to the general population.
	It is.
	It is.
	So it's plausible that there's religious people out there who are getting married because they so desperately want to have sex and then they're just going to get divorced to have a new partner.
	But I mean, that has to be a very small proportion of people who are religious who are getting divorced.
	I mean, I knew a lot.
	Like my mother, my family was Mormon when I was growing up.
	And it was like every couple I could think of when I was growing up that was Mormon was doing that.
	Yeah.
	Or getting divorced.
	Yeah, to switch partners.
	Yeah.
	Because as early as 17, 16, 17, they were getting married so they could have sex with their partner or their families were like forcing, like, you know, pushing them to get married so that any kind of contact relationship-wise is approved by the religion standards.
	But as we do when we date, we shop around partners to see who we truly jive with.
	And so it's kind of an unfortunate scenario where they're kind of backed into this quarter of having to get a divorce just to switch relationships.
	Well, I mean, the other thing, though, is that you mentioned that, well, there are women now who are paying child support and alimony.
	But even I actually saw a statistic that said women who are high earners who earn more than their partner, they're more likely to divorce their partner.
	So my position changed, so I had money after my divorce.
	So, but that makes it hard for me to date men right now.
	Because you're successful and yes, it makes it very, very complicated.
	Yeah.
	But like for me, for example, as someone who's successful and high earner, and like the prospect of marrying a woman and then losing half my shit is not particularly appealing.
	And I mean, there's a whole, there's custody disputes.
	I mean, my encouragement to both men and women is go to your local courthouse, wherever you live, go find the family when there's a family proceedings or divorce proceedings and just sit and watch the case.
	That shit is so depressing.
	Like, it is, and especially custody disputes are brutal.
	It is.
	It's one.
	Yeah, even the ones where there's no children involved, it's still so contentious.
	But when there's kids involved, then you're risking getting...
	When kids get involved, then there's a likelihood.
	Well, not a likelihood.
	There's definitely a lot of reports of false accusations being levied against men of all sorts of things in an effort to leverage those false accusations to get a better outcome when it comes to getting custody of children.
	And there's a bias in the court system against men.
	So I don't think men should get married for those reasons.
	Now, if we were to do away with alimony and child, well, I don't think we should do away with child support, but I do think there should be just a limit on child support.
	There's no reason that you should, anyone, even if you're very wealthy, you should be paying $10,000 a month in child support.
	That I can get behind.
	That I agree with because this whole case with Kevin Costner, his wife getting like $150,000 a month.
	What do you need that for?
	Go buy a house.
	You can get one in a gated community anywhere in the country and not need $150,000 a month.
	That's crazy.
	I agree.
	Yeah, and here's the other thing that I think they should do.
	In the same way with food stamp programs, they give you a credit card, CalFresh.
	It's different in different states.
	Food benefits from the government.
	They give you a card.
	You can only purchase food with that card that they give you.
	I think it should be the same with child support.
	You should only be able to purchase child-related numbers.
	I just want to expensive.
	Women who want a huge and expensive wedding, $40K end up for reference.
	They are usually so selfish and entitled that they just disregard their partner's decisions if the woman does not get what she wants.
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	If you're going to get married, like 50 bucks.
	That's my opinion.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I will say that the whole wedding industry is like kind of feeding off it.
	They're driving that up there.
	Like a wedding dress just to get a basic wedding.
	Like as soon as people, vendors hear the word wedding, their price is double, triple, quadruple.
	And it's like, you just have to almost lie about like what the event is.
	It's a bar mitzvah.
	And then it's like cheaper.
	You know what I mean?
	Like it's a bar mitzvah.
	Don't worry about it.
	I mean, it's catered to women.
	So it's like, it's a woman's day.
	I dare to say, yeah, weddings, I can't see.
	It's fiscally irresponsible in my mind.
	So say $40,000, that's a down payment on a house.
	Yeah, I do like payment double Atlantic, but I'd rather go to Bali for like two months or something.
	Let's go.
	Let's go to Paris.
	Real quick, how much would you, we'll go around the table on this for those of you who, if you want to play along, but for those of you who want to get married, how much do you think your partner should spend on the wedding ring when proposing?
	I truly don't care about how much Because I lived a life through lots of up and down, so like you know, what I'm wearing is not gonna value.
	Is this like no, like I said, this is like from Amazon, it's like 20 bucks.
	Like, would that do it, you think?
	No, the thing is, I really don't care because like I value my relationship so much because I lived a very up and down, you know, lifestyle.
	So, my deep connection, my like who I'm with, and if it's logical, if it's feeding my soul, if it's like creating meaning to my life is my priority.
	I don't care about the ring.
	Okay, what about you?
	How much should potential partner spend on the ring?
	I'm the same, I kind of like what you said.
	I am the same exact way.
	I've already lived, I've had boyfriends with high net worth and very low net, like literally like college.
	So, I've seen both sites, so I'm not, I really don't care now.
	Like, I've not phased.
	So, okay, your boyfriend proposes to you with a $20 ring from Amazon.
	You're fine with it?
	I am, yeah.
	Okay, all right.
	Can I ask something?
	Hold on, well, before you do that, let's let everybody answer.
	Go ahead.
	So, I love the plastic, like I forgot they're called, but they're like, they're really friendly for like weightlifters and people are in the military artists.
	Yeah, they're like a plastic band.
	Like, I would be happy with that, honestly.
	Like, I'm more invested in my relationship being quality than the ring being quality.
	I not on the price, but more on the creativity.
	Like, why would if somebody could make something, then yeah, that's good.
	If it's like a tattoo, maybe buy someone who's like legendary from a certain tribe, why not?
	Oh, sorry.
	I feel like if it's a $20 Amazon ring, I feel like that directly speaks about how he feels about you.
	I feel like if he really loved you, he would try a little harder.
	Okay, so bare minimum, how much should he spend on the ring?
	A couple thousand, I would say.
	A couple thousand on the ring?
	Yeah.
	What, five thousand?
	Um, three thousand, three thousand, five thousand.
	I mean, you wouldn't object.
	What about like twenty thousand?
	I mean, I wouldn't object, but that's kind of a lot.
	But like, keep in mind, you're about to become, you're, you're about to marry this person.
	Um, your finances are going to be enmeshed together.
	So, that is twenty thousand that is coming out of what could potentially be spent on something a bit more literally anything else with a bit more utility.
	But in any case, that's fine.
	What about you?
	Um, I would say I do agree with what you've said.
	I would like to see some effort, you know, a couple grand.
	Yeah, okay, nothing crazy.
	I'm gonna come out and say it.
	100K, I'm totally kidding.
	I'm like, damn!
	I get it, girl.
	I was kidding.
	I was kidding.
	No, honestly, I think the effort is good to know.
	Go ahead.
	Just a joke, just a joke.
	I'm about to get roasted like a marshmallow in the comments.
	What's the number?
	I would say it's a reflection of how much he's investing in me.
	Probably should talk about future plans.
	Like, are we buying a house?
	What do we want to spend that?
	I think talking about it would be great, but the ring itself doesn't matter that much.
	Like, the dollar value.
	It's also really tacky to talk about prices.
	Like, people be like, oh, this is a 100K ring.
	Okay, that's really weird that you said that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's like wasting $100K on something that you could buy a house or go on a honeymoon.
	I don't think spending like $50,000 on a ring is smart.
	I think it's really dumb, but I'll still don't spend like $5 on a ring.
	So $5 to $10,000, I would say.
	Was it supposed to be like three months' salary or something?
	That was a bar, actually.
	That was a marketing campaign.
	That was a DeVere's marketing campaign.
	Yeah, it doesn't market.
	It's a fierce marketing campaign.
	And like even diamond 20 bucks, it depends to what agreement you guys have together.
	And what's my financial status?
	Yeah, I want my girl to know that I care.
	But I'm also not that much.
	Yeah, all right, like, you know, we're gonna buy a house and stuff.
	So, well, wasn't like the diamond industry just marketed so people will spend more marriage.
	Like, is it really a symbol of love?
	Yeah, I think we got tricked in that too.
	Yeah.
	You buy this really expensive rock because it means you love her.
	And if you don't, you don't love her.
	I have this really close couple friend who have been together for like 25 years.
	And she has the same ring from when they were both broke.
	And they're billionaires now.
	And she still has the same old ring.
	No, I think she's so cute that she is like sentimentality.
	Yeah.
	It's the same ring from when they were broke.
	Yeah.
	I love it.
	Yeah.
	So I think one thing that I want to say is that like I feel like no matter sometimes like when they show how much they invest in you just from like experience.
	I did have someone who was, I'm not going to say how much, but he would invest a lot into me, but I think that was one of my unhappiest relationships I was ever in.
	So like now I just feel like sometimes how much money he invests in you doesn't equal how much they respect your how much they love you.
	Take this with a grain of salt, but that's to me just like an experience, like just from an experience.
	I think it's more of like the sentimental values that they put, how much they listen to you or how much they know about you and how much they put like if they know that you like a certain like pillow, like the pillow or the cushion.
	I'm sorry, I got to move this on.
	Okay, but yeah.
	Banana Deep.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Sorry, not sorry.
	I hate adult content, especially nowadays with children having easy access to it.
	All my FY for you page on any social media is half-naked.
	Girls sexualizing themselves, that's why I deleted all social media.
	No matter what followed, it's all naked girls.
	Okay, I mean, definitely the algorithms on all these platforms are definitely going to start pushing that shit.
	So it's what keeps the eyeballs on the apps.
	Thank you, Banana.
	We have Doc Vanablis here.
	One sec.
	Marriage is not necessarily about happiness.
	First, it serves the benefit of the children.
	Second, helps you find meaning and personal growth.
	White coat, you will end up with multiple divorces and lots of cats.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah, do you have a response to Doc Vanablis here?
	Yeah, I'm not looking to be married again.
	She's going to cry into her dollar bills.
	She might wear tears.
	Well, and cats are great for the record.
	No, I love cats, and I'm perfectly fine, actually.
	I'm very content.
	If I don't meet someone that I'm aligned with, I can live on my own.
	I have a beautiful life.
	And then I'm perfectly fine if I have to stay alone.
	Into the mic, please.
	I'm perfectly fine if I stay all alone.
	Okay.
	We have, let me do.
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	Okay, last thing on the marriage thing here.
	So look, my whole thing when it comes to marriage is you do not sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
	And in today's day and age, women are rewarded financially for breaking the marriage contract.
	So no sane informed man ought to, should, would, could, whatever sign that contract, in my opinion.
	You know that singer, Kelly, like she's like, I forget her last name.
	She was on like American Idol.
	Kelly Clarkson?
	Yeah, thank you.
	Her husband was basically a nobody.
	He's bankrolling off of her.
	And he broke it.
	Why do you say that?
	Because he's getting outlined.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I think it's her like ranch or something.
	Like, that's messed up if you see that story.
	Wait, what happened?
	Yeah, I think it has nothing to do with it.
	I think he filed for divorce, and he's like loose pussy energy, donated $99.
	These 304s got some nerve.
	Stop the damn cap.
	You know Yahoo will leave your simps on the same day if they didn't spend serious cash on that ring slash wedding.
	The name fits.
	Okay.
	I have no idea.
	LPD.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Better be.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought somebody had something to say.
	Oh, no, we were just talking about Kelly Clarkson, how she's getting worked by her ex-husband.
	Shout out, Kelly.
	Yeah.
	It's good.
	It's good.
	So it's okay when men do.
	Yeah, that's what he's saying.
	It's okay.
	We got like a farm in Montana.
	Yeah, it's just kind of like, you know.
	This is what you wanted.
	These are the alimony laws.
	Although, I don't know, that's not a good argument.
	But.
	Okay, so hold on.
	I wanted to come back to you.
	You said you've been single for six years, correct?
	Yes.
	You do adult content.
	Is that correct?
	I don't.
	Like adult content?
	I do cosplay.
	Splicy cosplay.
	Do you have like an exclusive site?
	No, I don't.
	don't I have okay define it Define exclusives.
	Are you either on Fansly or OF?
	I have Fansly.
	I do.
	But I don't do nudes.
	I'm mostly on cosplay.
	So there's no zero?
	Zero.
	Oh, okay.
	I don't think any girl here does OF, that is, I don't think we've had a panel in a long time where there wasn't at least one girl who did some kind of adult kind of content.
	So that is fantastic.
	Wait, why was a question directed just at me, though?
	You want to have a kid with you?
	Okay, that was really random.
	Whoa.
	I'm trying to not have kids with her, so we cannot have super kids with super fucked up thyroids.
	Don't worry, I got mine's kind of, you know, it'd be mostly your fault, though, just saying.
	Mostly.
	Is it insensitive that I'm joking about your what?
	Hashimando's.
	My what?
	You have thick skin.
	What, huh?
	Yeah, go on.
	Is it insensitive?
	You're making it awkward.
	Like, let's move on to the next one.
	No, but is it insensitive?
	It's not.
	I don't feel it.
	It's my reality.
	It's my reality.
	You got thick skin.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So some of you very kindly provided some pre-show notes to us.
	So we're going to do a little deep dive.
	Helen, you're in your, actually, hold on.
	I'm going to save that for later.
	I'll come back.
	I'll come back to you.
	Let's see.
	We have Nikki here.
	I'm from LA, and the women here might benefit from hearing a perspective that doesn't glorify OnlyFans Instagram clugging.
	Clugging?
	Clubbing, excuse me.
	What did you specifically want to speak about on that?
	Oh!
	Pffft!
	Interrupted.
	I disagree on cheap rings, takes an ordinary woman and elevates her to the status of the man she- She's...
	Okay.
	I mean, I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that, but we're just saying, like, what's the bare minimum that we'll accept?
	But, I mean, if you're gifting me a big fancy ring, I'm not going to say no.
	But it's kind of like, you know, a lot of you said, eh, I don't really care.
	$20 ring, fine.
	But it would, there's not, you know, you don't think there's some part of you that would feel it would be a detriment if he didn't spend a certain amount on a ring.
	Well, if he had the money, he was just choosing not to.
	I'm just like, hey, actually, you don't deserve anything cooler than that.
	Like, what's his attitude?
	No, even if he has the money, but he's like, this is a waste.
	This is some propaganda from the fucking diamond industry that it's like some ridiculous.
	It's a psyop for us to spend money on some diamonds.
	The cost of diamonds are overinflated.
	There's an abundance of diamonds.
	They're not particularly rare, blah, blah, whatever it is.
	What if it's just like, yeah, this is a scam?
	I'm not going to spend $5,000 on this when this probably costs like two bucks.
	Yeah.
	Like somebody, I think, in the chat had said, like, what if I made it?
	Like, would you love that?
	And hell yeah.
	Like, some kind of like sentimental value, or maybe you have an inside joke with your partner.
	Like, my sister literally just got married this last weekend, and the engagement ring was like a black stone that was really special to my sister.
	And that's what she's going to wear forever.
	So.
	But a lot of you said you wouldn't care.
	And I guess my next sem I don't know how long I want to linger on this particular topic, but if the guy didn't pay for the first date, would you have an issue with that?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would.
	Here, let's go around the table really quick.
	We'll touch on it.
	If it doesn't pay for the first date, it depends.
	Like, he wants to split the bill.
	So you're not paying for him, he just wants to split.
	Deal breaker, you have an issue with it.
	No second date.
	No second date.
	No second date, what about you?
	No second date.
	Yes, I believe that a man should pay for the first date.
	And I think that he should.
	I really like the traditional first date.
	He opens the door and he's a gentleman.
	I think that that's what I place value in.
	And him being a gentleman and him paying for the first date.
	But if he were to ask me to split, I would split.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, I think it's definitely appreciated if the man pays for the first date.
	However, if I don't like them, I offer to split.
	And I will split because I would feel bad using them.
	I'd never use anyone for anything, but I would feel obligated because I don't like you.
	I'm not going to see you again.
	I'm going to pay myself.
	Yeah, me too.
	I would prefer to split.
	And honestly, it depends on the conversation.
	Like, dinner is about conversation.
	I mean, if he asked me on the day and he told me to split, I'd probably take that as an insult and I would just probably like pay the whole thing and never see him again.
	So if the guy asks, he should pay.
	Huh?
	Yeah.
	If the guy asks, he should pay.
	I think most of you would agree with that.
	Yeah.
	Well, but okay.
	I'll come.
	Okay.
	Have you ever asked a guy out on a date?
	No.
	Interesting how that works.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	It wouldn't necessarily be a deal breaker for me if he didn't pay for the first date, but I would prefer that to happen, yes.
	Prefer if the guy pays, okay.
	What about you?
	I'm looking to be a traditional woman, and I want my man to be traditional as well.
	So no, no splitting the splitting the bill.
	Okay.
	Well, you currently have a boyfriend, correct?
	Five years?
	I do, yes.
	Do you guys live together?
	We do.
	Yes.
	Do you split the bills or do how to do it?
	We sure do, right down the middle.
	50-50?
	And then when it comes to dates, does he pay or it's kind of 50-50?
	Like he gets one, you get one type of thing?
	Yeah, sometimes we do do that.
	You know, I'll cover coffee one day, he'll cover dinner the next, something like that.
	But most often we do split things 50-50.
	We are in an interesting situation.
	I work.
	He's currently still going to school to be a pilot.
	So it just works a little different.
	He's not currently making money right now in the way that I am.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, I'm an old school romantic, so I definitely would pay on the first date.
	I mean, if the girl asked me out, maybe not.
	But even then, I'm still like, yeah, I mean, it's not that big of a deal.
	I think you should split.
	The first date?
	100%.
	Split.
	Brian is starting to think you're cheap.
	You kind of want to pay for napping.
	You kind of don't even know if you like each other.
	You don't want to pay for napping date.
	I kind of get where Brian's coming from.
	I do.
	Raven DT donated $100.
	Best way to weed out a woman who thinks her time is worth more than yours.
	First date, separate checks.
	If she still wants to see you for another date, man pays for second date.
	Third date, she pays for it.
	Yeah, that's the thing you could do.
	Yo, Raven, thank you, man.
	Really appreciate the TTS.
	Definitely agree, though.
	First date, absolutely.
	Separate checks.
	He does have a very good point, though.
	Thank you, Raven.
	Of if it can be a way to screen out low-interest women.
	Like, if you don't pay for the first, obviously, you don't expect her to pay for you.
	You pay for your meal.
	She pays for hers.
	It is a way to screen out women who have a low interest in you.
	Because if maybe her standard is she does want a guy to pay for the first date, but if she's so interested in you that she's going to be like, I still want to see him, even though here's my standard, but I still want to see him.
	That's a very high interest woman in terms of her interest in you.
	So I think it's actually a good way to screen out women who have low interest.
	You were saying?
	I was just going to say, I think women put a lot of effort into first dates, and it's very expensive.
	There's a hummingbird in here.
	But we're hunting birds in mind.
	It's like a hummingbird or something.
	All right.
	We have a hummingbird in the chat.
	Just Nick, open up the door a little more and then LP flies out.
	All right.
	What's the bird's name?
	Jeffrey.
	Hopefully the bird doesn't hit one of the lights because if it does, it's going to get fucking fried in the room.
	Oh my God.
	We're going to be eating bird tonight.
	Hitting the ceiling.
	So what were you saying?
	I was going to say, well, I said it's just starting to sound that way because you don't want to pay for much.
	But yeah, no rings, no weddings.
	But I mean, if we take that argument to its logical conclusion, then like, aren't 99% of women cheap?
	Because almost no women want to do any of these things.
	I disagree with that.
	Like, you know, as an example, when women go on a date, the amount of effort it puts into keeping their hair nice, getting their hair done, getting their nails done, waxing, shaving, makeup.
	Makeup is so expensive.
	Their outfit.
	Oh, yeah.
	All of those things.
	I mean, it's expensive to get ready for a man to be pleased by what they're looking at.
	Well, yeah, but don't women also say that you guys wear makeup for yourselves, not for yourself.
	I think some women do.
	I don't agree with that.
	Why can't you do both?
	I don't agree with that.
	Why can't I be both?
	Oh, so you wear makeup to be more attractive?
	100%.
	Yeah.
	Well, I appreciate your honesty.
	Women aren't prepared to cop to that, I guess.
	Commit to it.
	Yeah, but as far as the effort that goes into preparing for the first date, first off, actually, one, I actually prefer women who wear minimal or no makeup.
	So maybe I'll tell a woman, you don't really got to wear any of that shit.
	Yeah, but that's so rare.
	I feel like, you know, I mean, I'm more that way.
	Like, you know, I didn't wear makeup for a very, very long time in uniform.
	You know, I didn't get, I got to kind of learn fashion and makeup and stuff when I left, but that's a rare thing.
	A lot of men, especially these days, you know, really want their women to be like social media models, you know?
	Right.
	But okay, as far as it being cheap, like it's not about being cheap.
	It's just that we as men, at least me as a guy, I don't want to waste my money on someone who doesn't deserve it.
	And it's not about the dollar figure.
	It's like, what, 10 bucks for a drink?
	Whatever.
	I don't care.
	It's more about a principle thing because I would feel bad in the same way.
	Like, let's say someone stole $10 from you.
	what's ten dollars it doesn't really but they they've they've slighted you yeah they They've done something.
	They victimized you in a way.
	I'm not comparing robbery to taking a girl out on a date.
	But it's not so much about the point I'm trying to make is, it's not so much about the actual dollar figure.
	It's that you've been wronged in some way.
	Let me, okay.
	This is not, I feel like I'm digging myself a hole here.
	How many dates are you talking?
	Because I don't think you're, if a girl's not interested, if a girl's not interested in you, if a girl's not interested in you, I don't think you're, you've been wronged because she's not interested.
	That's not what I'm trying to say.
	But like, if you're on a date with a girl who perhaps has, for example, if she's on a date with you for a foodie call, then I think you've been wronged.
	Where it's like she has some ulterior motive for her wanting to be on the date, whether it's for food, whether sometimes people will go on the first date, they'll do an experience together.
	Some guys will put out a lot of money on the first date to try to impress a girl, whatever it may be.
	So for me, it's more a principle thing.
	Like, in addition to that, I would feel, I don't know if wronged is the right word, but one of the reasons I don't like to pay on a first date is the way people move, both men and women, in 2023, is you have to assume going in, whether you're a man or woman, that that person you're seeing may very well be seeing multiple other people.
	So if I'm going on a date with a girl, it could very well be the case that she's sleeping with one, two, three other dudes.
	Maybe she's not sleeping with other men, but maybe she's dating other men.
	I've been on dates with girls and I'm talking to them.
	And I had one girl who's not particularly remarkable in any way.
	She said she had five dates scheduled that week.
	Oh, that's weird.
	I don't feel particularly special.
	I don't feel particularly inclined to fall into my traditional gender roles of paying for the first date when you're pursuing so many other options.
	Now, especially if a woman is sleeping with another guy and you're going on a date with me and then I'm going to pay for your food, I've said this a couple times before.
	Here's like the scenario that's just like crushing.
	If I were to pay for a girl's food, let's say we go on a dinner date, which I actually don't recommend dinner dates, certainly for first dates, it's for a variety of reasons.
	She gets a to-go bag with her extra food, gives me an ass out hug at the end of the day.
	That was nice.
	Good date.
	Takes a little to-go bag, brings it over.
	You know, the date ends at 9 p.m., 10 p.m., brings it to the house of the dude who she's sleeping with, who, by the way, never paid for, took her out on a date, gives him the food, which I paid for.
	Then she fucks him.
	Then he eats the food.
	That's like cut territory.
	Is that what happens?
	This is oddly specific.
	That's like cut territory.
	Didn't this happen to happen to you?
	Yeah, this is so specific.
	That was very specific.
	Well, I think this happens.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know if it's happened.
	Keep in mind, I avoid food dates.
	I've done occasional food dates, especially when they're not.
	I don't want to go food date.
	I want to run away if I don't like the guy as soon as possible.
	I go to coffee first.
	Yeah, coffee.
	I like it.
	And for her coffee, I want them to buy the coffee or the drink or something.
	Oh, yeah, not even that.
	Not even a $5 coffee.
	You don't pay for that shit either.
	No, I want them to do it the first time because I'm not the one.
	So, and then I only go like three dates per year.
	So if he doesn't have a gesture of paying for the first one, I don't want to waste my time.
	Okay.
	No, I completely agree with this.
	I know women who have specifically gone on dating apps and continue to go on dates, number one, to get free food and number one to have sex that evening.
	100%.
	Wait, have sex with the guy they're on the date with or have sex with the guy they're on the date with?
	So yeah, the guy is getting something out of it, but still, I mean, that's getting into weird territory.
	They're not doing it to actually get into a committed relationship.
	They're doing it to just go on a date.
	Girl wants to get laid and she wants some free food and she's never going to see the guy again.
	I know people who have done that completely.
	And I think that when it comes to a guy paying for the first date, I do tend to agree a little bit more with what Brian's saying.
	And I think it really mostly comes down to the time in life that you're in.
	I mean, you're in college, you know, going on a date with someone.
	Everybody's kind of poor in college.
	Like, I think then it's definitely appropriate to split the bill.
	But I do see where the others are coming when it comes to generally, I would understand why a man would pay for a bill.
	Okay.
	So, Brian, I have a question for you.
	So, I feel like I can see the narrative that you have in your head, and it makes absolute sense because I do agree with what she's saying: that there are girls that will, you know, go out and do some terrible things, use men to get whatever their intentions are.
	And I completely agree with you.
	But there are some women that have healthy intentions, do want to find the man of their life.
	And, you know, there are some men that actually want to court, you know, girls, I guess, court, yeah, and pay, you know, for the first date and bring flowers and be, you know.
	So, what do you think about the guys that want to pay for like the traditional dinner and bring them like the flowers and all that stuff?
	And the girls that are still out there and do have like healthy intentions and still want to meet like their husband and through you know these dating apps and don't have those intentions.
	I know it's hard to find that.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, all those things you listed, like paying for the first date, it's not going to hurt you in any way.
	So, like, I don't actually recommend men do what I do because not paying for the date could otherwise shut the door on what you know.
	Me personally, I use it just as a screening mechanism for women who have a high interest.
	And then, but I'm prepared to, like, I'm not pressed like any one date.
	I'm never pressed, like, oh, I really, because that's a terrible place, I think, for mostly for men, but also for women to be in.
	If you're like really hoping it works out and you're really like, you're a little too interested, I think that's typically it tends to not work out.
	You get in your head about it.
	So, I'm very outcome independent.
	Like, I don't, if it doesn't happen with any given person, I honestly don't give a fuck.
	Like, I don't care.
	Yeah.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	Well, if we actually, that's a healthy thing to not get attached that early.
	But I feel like opening the door, paying for dates, gifts, flowers, all that stuff.
	I feel like these are things that are reserved for women who are worthy of them.
	Right.
	You said you wouldn't even pay for an engagement ring.
	You said you wouldn't even pay for an engagement ring.
	No, that's just like.
	That's more from a waste of money standpoint.
	Okay.
	But Like, it's more so just until you are only seeing me, and I know this definitively, I'm not going to do the traditional court.
	Like, I'm not going to be the traditional guy.
	That makes sense.
	Because a lot of people are seeing multiple people.
	I'm not going to sit here and like spend money on a girl.
	Yeah.
	and you're fucking another dude.
	Like, to me, that's just- Yeah, that's not okay.
	You want, you want, traditional gender rules don't just go one way.
	You can't be fucking a bunch of dudes and then expect a guy to want to be a traditional man and court you and pay you while you're getting your, you're fucking a bunch of other dudes.
	Like, I'm just not gonna, I'm not gonna do it.
	Yeah.
	And I know I'm a bit blunt in my presentation, but again, I don't recommend men do this because you are going to lose out on some women.
	But for me, it's just like a, it's a matter of principle for me.
	You almost have to do it nowadays, though, because of how common this is.
	And then how do you filter them?
	What is me personally?
	Like, let's say for what, an hour or 30 minutes, you talk with someone, and you kind of get an idea with like how you're, what's kind of like the filter system you're using, even to go on a date with them or not.
	So like.
	That's the biggest thing I hate, though, too, is that me personally, I hate having to sit here and filter out another girl.
	You know what I mean?
	We hate it too.
	Like, yeah.
	Like, filter out what is wrong with this girl.
	Like, is she going to do this?
	It's not about what is wrong.
	It's like, what do you have in harmony together?
	What do you have in harmony together?
	What do you have in harmony?
	That's just common together.
	Yeah, finding a connection.
	And then you will see, okay, am I aligned?
	Then I'm going to go to the date.
	So for example, if the guy tells me like a couple of red flags, I'm not going to waste my time to go on a date.
	I'm just going to go on a date that I feel like there's potential here.
	So I'm interested to go on a date.
	I agree with that.
	I'll pay if she has a large labia.
	How are you going to know that before the date?
	There's no way to know.
	She's going to have to tell me.
	She's going to have to tell me, by the way, Brian, the bill's on you.
	So she has to bring that up herself.
	She's going to have to pass me a note at some point.
	I suppose I would also pay if she was in college.
	If she's like 20 or 21.
	How old are you?
	Yeah, she's 34.
	You're going to date an 18-year-old?
	Well, in college, that could be 18, 19, 20, 21.
	See, here's the thing.
	Like, okay, yeah, all the girls at the table are making faces.
	We got, you know, this is actually panel-wise.
	We have people.
	I date young guys.
	Really?
	I do.
	I do.
	I dated anything from 5 to 10, 15 years old.
	Okay, so it's funny.
	A lot of people grimace like, oh, Brian, you would date someone who's 21 and you're 34.
	Yes, I would.
	Heaven forbid I date a woman who's at her peak physical attractiveness.
	Ew, but what do you have in common?
	Why is that ew?
	Because I look better than a lot of 21-year-olds.
	I work my ass off.
	the cow just because someone's 21 that they look do you have you seen the obesity crisis in the u.s Now it's getting a little chucky.
	But yeah, I don't see how that's.
	Okay.
	So you are 33, correct?
	Yeah.
	Do you think you're better looking now than you were at 23?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Really?
	yeah i mean i haven't seen photos but like yeah well at 23 i was in the middle of afghanistan with my head shaved So, yeah.
	Okay, but like there are certain things that as you age for both men and women that, you know, your skin loses a bit of its tautness.
	I don't know if that's the right word.
	You get wrinkles.
	You know, typically, I mean, you can start getting into better shape as you get older.
	However, a lot of people start gaining a little bit of weight, you know, but I think I was better looking when I was 23 or 24 than I am now at 34.
	I think men often look better as they get older.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there is something to be said that men, in some perhaps more so than women, can not all the times.
	By the way, all the time.
	Yeah, definitely.
	I'll say there's a lot of great looking 21-year-old women, and I'm not going to dispute that, but I just don't want you to generalize so much.
	Like, there's a lot of amazing, like, Kim Kardashian's body is amazing for her.
	Whoa, She didn't buy that.
	I don't have a lot of money.
	It's not on dollars.
	It's not on facebook.
	No, Her.
	Okay.
	Well, you're telling this to the wrong guy because I despise plastic surgery.
	And she's had BBL.
	She's had lipo.
	She has fake tits.
	She's had tons of work done.
	So I don't like women with plastic surgery.
	So she looks amazing.
	I mean, I don't know.
	No, no.
	No.
	She's disqualified because he's not in her eyes.
	No, I'm sorry.
	I mean, maybe if he's doing it for her.
	So plastic surgery, I don't think looks good on women.
	Wait, but Brian, I don't really know what to do.
	Or on anybody.
	Yeah, actually, like, dating, like, what do you honestly have in common with like an 18-year-old?
	Are you just dating her because she might have a bigger?
	I don't know.
	Like, what is your purpose?
	Like, yes.
	Hold on.
	I'll let this come in, Leon.
	Lip fillers do not look like no matter where you go.
	No lip filler.
	You used to, though, didn't you?
	A long time ago, yeah.
	It's all dissolved now, but nice try.
	Okay, well, first off, let me point something out.
	I'm not like hanging out at college parties trying to pick up 18-year-olds, okay?
	I'm not like, however, like, if also, let me clarify.
	Most of the women I've dated in the past couple years have actually been around my age.
	Actually, I've dated women older than me in recency.
	So most of the women I've dated recently, within a couple years of me, I dated a 45-year-old like a year or two ago.
	And then I dated, I think someone, well, in any case, I've dated some women older than me.
	So it's like most of the women I date typically are around my age, late 20s, early 30s, whatever.
	But would I object to dating a woman who's 21?
	Or if you want to use the extreme example to try to put me in a corner here, an 18-year-old.
	No, I don't object to dating an 18-year-old.
	Because you don't have to buy her a ring or pay for her dinner?
	No, it's just like, I think 18 to 25, don't get me wrong, there's women who are in their 30s, even 40s, that I think are very attractive women.
	It's not like I'm hyper-focused in on 18 to 25-year-old women.
	However, don't shoot the messenger here.
	And a vast majority of men think women between the ages of 18 to 25 are the most physically attractive.
	Well, apart from the physical aspect, what do you think you would have in common with someone that you know emotional maturity?
	Like emotionally.
	Sure.
	Well, do you think that commonality is the ultimate or penultimate thing that men or women care about when it comes to being attracted to somebody?
	It's not the ultimate, but it gets started, like whatever relationship you want to build.
	It's always a simple thing.
	It's probably more like a foundation than physical attraction.
	When you say, what do you have in common with an 18-year-old, what do you think, in that regard, I have in common with, like, are you talking about, oh, we're in the same age cohort, therefore we've seen the same movies?
	Calvin Sam denies.
	Like, I don't mind thinking about that.
	Why are you shaming Brian for dating younger women when younger women prefer much older men?
	Younger women provide fertility that older women do not.
	Older women are more argumentative, combative, disagreeable, and difficult to get along with.
	That just means they don't tolerate.
	So, it is interesting.
	Like, men always get shamed for their preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	Men are not allowed to have preferences.
	Women, they can like tall men.
	They can like XYZ characteristics when it comes to men.
	But the moment a man says, well, I'm attracted, this is what I'm attracted to.
	Oh, well, you're, oh, I don't like to date obese women.
	Oh, my God.
	You're so superficial.
	But you know, you're in a first world country.
	You're in a very small bubble with the rest of the world.
	They value a woman based on how she looks.
	So, like, in all the Middle East, in Asian country, they choose a woman based on her appearance, how pretty she is, or like what kind of family status she comes from.
	So, but in a first world country, like Eastern Europe, Europe, or America, it's a little bit different values.
	In opposite culture, it's completely opposite.
	The women get the shame about their choices, what they want, or what kind of lifestyle they want to choose.
	Like, it was completely opposite for us.
	So, for example, when I say, I want the guy that I'm dating, I want him to be hot.
	They're like, oh, you're so shallow.
	So, it's a shallow thing for me because I'm Middle Eastern and I'm coming from the culture that I'm not allowed to say that.
	I think the other thing, Brian, too, is like, it's like you're kind of putting women in a rock and a hard place.
	Like, there's no way to win.
	What do you mean?
	Like, you're saying that early 20s-year-old women are like the ideal, but then you shame women who get like plastic surgery and things like that that are trying to basically, because there's so many men out there saying younger women are hotter, they look better, etc.
	So when they try to like take care of themselves, like, you know, through any kind of plastic surgery whatsoever to reverse the clock a little bit, then they're shamed as well.
	So it's like there's no women.
	Plastic surgery doesn't make you look younger.
	It just makes you look weird at the age you are, in my view.
	I think plastic surgery.
	Do you think I look weird?
	What have you had done?
	Like, I had fat transfer in my face.
	I had fat transfer in my face.
	I touched my eyebrows.
	I did plastic surgery.
	We need to be specific here when we say plastic surgery because there's different, obviously there's different kinds of procedures.
	Typically, the more common things when I think of plastic surgery would be boop job.
	Yes, breast implants.
	I have done that.
	So breast implants, BBL, lipo, and lip fillers.
	I have a four.
	Those are the four that, at least for me, absolutely not.
	And then also labia placety.
	Get the fuck out of here.
	Don't do that shit.
	I do liposuction and I do work out very, very hard.
	But like whenever I feel like, oh, I want to upgrade this, just like how I upgrade my phone, I upgrade my lifestyle style.
	I upgrade myself too.
	I'm like, I like it this way, so I'm going to go do that for myself.
	Right.
	Go ahead.
	I'm sorry for interrupting.
	Go ahead.
	So I have a question too.
	It's a lot of fun.
	With the younger girls, and I'm not shaming you.
	You can date whoever.
	But with that age range, girls tend to be a little bit tend to be more naive.
	They can be easily controlled.
	They can be more easily impressed.
	And they can.
	They're easily impressed.
	When I hear them, when I talk to them and I hear them talk about what their boyfriends do for them, I'm like, oh my God, wow.
	Like, I remember being that young and being like, so is that a reason why you also like to date young?
	Besides being highly sexually attractive, they are.
	They are.
	I could never compete with an 18-year-old.
	I definitely know that.
	But it's also that thing because, to be honest, when it comes to psychology, compatibility is always the number one factor when it comes to being a successful relationship.
	So sure.
	Well, there's a few things there.
	First off, I kind of reject this it's easier to control thing.
	I mean, it's not a control thing.
	Always with the shaming language when it comes to men's preferences.
	But you could argue that women actually have quite a bit of power when it comes to, because women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	The other thing I would point out is an older, say a woman who's 30, who's like really like, let's say the clock is ticking and she's like, I need to find a guy.
	You could actually make the argument that a woman in her 30s is more, you could more readily manipulate her because she's like really seeking out something long term.
	Where the younger woman has much more options.
	Younger women.
	A younger woman is.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, but okay, what's your question?
	What is the question?
	Yeah, is one of the reasons that 18-year-olds are more, besides being sexually attractive, because I don't see what else you see in an 18-year-old.
	She's bangable.
	Well, sure, sure.
	There's more.
	Okay, so in addition to just like on an intellectual level being like, okay, I think women between the age of like 18 to 25 just, again, don't shoot the messenger.
	A lot of men think this way.
	And I admit it too.
	Would say like objectively, like, I think that's the peak age range when it comes to physical attractiveness.
	Absolutely.
	It's also just an evolutionary biological thing because it's related to fertility.
	Younger women are more fertile.
	So not only can you intellectualize, like she actually looks more physically attractive on an intellectual level.
	Younger women are more capable of bearing children.
	So there's a built-in evolutionary attraction trigger for men to prefer younger women because they're more fertile.
	And that's a pretty large basis of physical attraction.
	But what I'm asking you is one of the most important things is that there's also the emotional intimacy vulnerability part.
	Like, how do you connect to an 18-year-old?
	Because as a 30, we're all the same age.
	I cannot connect to someone.
	I also love that.
	Men and women are different.
	Men and women are different.
	We are different.
	But I'm asking you how you connect to an 18-year-old when it comes to intimacy vulnerability because compatibility is a very strong factor to relationship success.
	So I'm just asking you how do you get to that intimacy part?
	Well, sure, sure, sure.
	So I'm not shaming you for being attracted to younger women.
	It's just what else besides their attractiveness do you have?
	Do you guys ask me?
	Let him answer.
	Let him answer.
	Besides, like, biological stuff.
	Okay, let him answer.
	Well, but I mean, like besides that.
	Okay, let him answer.
	The biological reasons.
	You don't even want kids, though.
	So it doesn't matter.
	Well, no, I didn't necessarily.
	I'm a little on the fence when it comes to kids.
	I could.
	I couldn't.
	We'll see how life goes.
	I have my own dilemmas in life that may want me.
	Jesus, I can't speak tonight.
	Or any night for that matter.
	That may want me to not have kids.
	But I'm on the fence.
	I do want to have kids, but we'll see how life goes.
	Okay, so you're saying, what is the compatibility with someone who's younger?
	I'll tell you this.
	As someone who's dated women my age, who's dated women who are even older than me into their 40s, I can tell you that the same bullshit that you deal with in any sort of relationship can manifest itself at any age.
	I know some, and I've dated some immature people who are in their 30s.
	I'm sure some of you here who are in your 30s, late 30s, early 30s.
	I think we have, you're 42, correct.
	We have people, quite a few people here in their 30s, maybe some of you in your 20s, have dated people in your 30s.
	How's their maturity level?
	Like, it's not really depends.
	But, like, to say that dating someone your age is going to be a guarantee that there's compatibility and that there's maturity is fallacious.
	In the same way that there's someone who could be 21 that's actually very compatible with you, very mature.
	And then the additional benefits, low body count, likely to be low body count.
	The more years you've been on this planet, the more people you fucked.
	Well, it's both way.
	It's both way.
	Well, we can get into that later, but typically, like as you get older, like your body count increases.
	But that's also false, but that's, I can also be false.
	Well, sure, you could be 35 and have three sexual partners, and you could be 18 and have 30 sexual partners.
	We've had girls on the show who at 18, 19, 20, 21 have had 50, 60, 70, 100 plus sexual partners.
	So, of course, it's not like, but that same person at 18 is likely to have more sexual partners by the time she reaches 28.
	So, and certainly if I look at a 33-year-old woman, when she was 23, she probably had fewer sexual partners when she was 23.
	Obviously, I can't time travel and go hook up with her when she was 23.
	So, body count's important.
	Men prefer women with low body.
	Well, most men prefer women with lower body count.
	I feel like I also want that.
	I matter.
	I don't want to be 60 or 50.
	Yeah, no, I guess you actually want that.
	Don't get me wrong.
	Will you say this to another girl?
	Will you ask a girl, why are you dating someone that is 10 years younger?
	No, no, actually, because I'm the same way.
	So when you meet someone, look at that.
	One mic, guys.
	Yeah, no, I agree with, I completely agree with you on that, but definitely, I feel like it's a very generalized view.
	But with the whole, they're more sexually attractive, I completely agree.
	And with the same thing, you can meet an immature person at 30, and you can, yeah, sure.
	And don't get me wrong, it's not like I exclusively date young women.
	Like I've said, I date women my age in their 30s.
	I find women who are in their 30s attractive.
	However, I'm not going to like sit here and lie to you and say that if you, I don't know how to perfectly articulate this, but women between the ages of say 18 to 25, me personally, and I think I speak for a lot of men here.
	Now, there's a question of can we get those women?
	That's a different question.
	But I would say those women, purely speaking, physical attractiveness, I think they're the most physically attractive.
	Right.
	And I think to both men and women, physical attraction is very, very important.
	It is.
	Well, and I think we're leaving one really important thing out here, which is women in that age range tend to go for men in their 30s who are established and make money and things of that nature.
	Is it the right thing to do?
	We can all have our own opinions on that, but that is what those women are seeking from 18 to 25 is, you know, they're going for 30-year-olds.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And then sometimes I also want to add, like you meet someone, like either through work or through here and there, and you don't ask about how old are you, how old are you?
	Like, like there's a chemistry, you guys get along, and then like, and then, oh, wow, we like have an age gap of seven years.
	So what do you do with that?
	Oh, just because you're seven years older than me or younger than me, I'm not going to date you.
	No, I'm going to date you because I feel like I have compatibility with you.
	So age doesn't matter if that, in that sense.
	Also, I just think that, you know, women who are between the ages of, say, 18 to 25 typically have less relationship baggage than women who are in their 30s.
	So, I mean, that's another component that's related to body count.
	The more people you've slept with, like the more relationship baggage that you've probably accrued.
	I have a question, I guess.
	I like start dating to people.
	Aside from them not having so-and-so, what do they have then apart from the physical attractiveness?
	Yeah.
	Like, let's say we find you that perfect 18 to 25 range.
	Like, what else is there?
	Like, I mean, are you looking for a lasting relationship, though, with this perfect 18 to 25 range?
	Like, what's the goal?
	What is that relationship?
	Sure.
	Well, first off, I'm not, I have no interest in one-night stands, whether that's with someone my age or with someone younger.
	Sleeping with someone once, to me, is just a total, at least in my view, it's a waste of time.
	There's a whole bunch of reasons why, but it's not worth it.
	If I want to sleep with somebody, I want there to be a continuity.
	I want to continue seeing them.
	So, no, it wouldn't be a short-term thing.
	So, eventually it's commitment.
	What gets you to that commitment?
	So, what other things would bind you together to move forward to a commitment?
	As opposed to someone who's a woman, as opposed to just the physical, you know, sex stuff.
	I mean, what is it?
	But, like, what, okay, so a lot of people will say, well, a woman who's 31 is more established in her career.
	No, let's just go back to the 18 to 20.
	No, but what I'm trying to say is, like, a lot of people will argue, oh, well, one of the benefits of dating a woman who's a bit older, she's more established in her career.
	Men don't really care about that because, I mean, we went around the table, except for you, I think every single girl here said, you want the man to pay.
	So, like, your success, women who, like, men, you being successful doesn't make you more attractive to a guy.
	Like, good for you.
	Like, it's awesome if you're successful, but your success is not a metric with which men will look at a woman and be like, oh, she's more attractive because of her success.
	In the same way a woman would look at a guy who's a doctor, an attorney, and be like, whoa, okay, that's kind of, they might be more attracted to him because of the prestige that comes with certain careers or the wealth that he has, because women don't share their resources with the men in the same way that men share their resources with women.
	So that's just, I just wanted to point that out.
	I know that's not the question you were asking.
	That's just another reason why men are more inclined to date younger women and why older women who are more established in their career, it's not like that's not an attraction trigger for men.
	One, for evolutionary biological reasons, but also just because women don't really share their resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
	But I have to disagree a little bit because I think there's a lot of men that I've spoken to that definitely want a woman who is successful, has a college degree, things like that.
	And it's not about necessarily financial, but just like mental.
	Like they have their shit together.
	Do they're not demanding that?
	I know a lot.
	I'm not getting a wife.
	I think.
	Oh, go ahead.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Want, want, want.
	Can I answer the problem?
	Don't be mean.
	Damn.
	Party film.
	Sheila, what are you saying?
	Oh, I was just saying that I think that there's definitely a lot of men out there that want a woman who has, you know, got a college degree.
	She's, you know, got a great career, things like that.
	From the mental perspective, less about financial dependency or resources from the man to the woman, but just about having a woman who has some level of intellect that they can have a conversation with.
	And that, you know, the woman's like, you know, definitely got goals and dreams and ambition.
	I think a lot of men like that.
	So it's kind of hard conversation.
	Yeah, for me personally, it's a little bit hard because we met them.
	Brian, how old are you?
	34?
	34.
	Okay, I'm 24, so it's 10 years older than me.
	But I think a lot of guys, at least around my age, do not look for that at all.
	Maybe if you're a little bit older and you're looking for a wife.
	24 is a little bit too young to look into.
	Your brain's not fully developed.
	Yeah, too late.
	Way till 24.
	Yeah, way till 24.
	But even then.
	You know, at the 25, you're just finishing the school.
	I'm like, you know, it's different than when you're 35.
	But I can speak, even I can even watch a chat.
	I can guarantee that nobody looks for that.
	So this is the thing.
	So how about if you're a girl, there's a 21-year-old, and they, for example, are doing, let's see, and it doesn't, it doesn't say that they're doing, you know, just like they're just like, not that influencers make a lot of money, but say that they were just doing maybe like an OnlyFans thing and they want to get married, you know, and they want to get married to you.
	If you're doing OnlyFans.
	Wait, so, okay, but she's highly attractive.
	And say that there's this woman who has a PhD in child development.
	She's published.
	She does a bunch of panels all the time.
	And you know that she's going to be a good mother to your children.
	She does OnlyFans?
	No.
	There's two different women.
	Just like she said earlier, it's not a detriment.
	It's not a detriment either.
	So is it kind of netting neutral?
	Like, it's not necessarily a detriment or a secret or break.
	It's not.
	No, it's neutral.
	So you would choose.
	So what I'm saying is we don't search for that.
	It's not a matter of time.
	So it doesn't matter who's going to be the mother.
	So it doesn't matter who you don't care about who's going to be a good mother to your children.
	What does that have to say?
	We're talking about finances.
	No, I know.
	But I'm saying like you guys literally just base it on, it doesn't matter what she does in her life, her intellect or her thing.
	No, I'm talking about money and finances.
	Yeah, we're talking about money.
	Yeah.
	Like you can be smart and not that you have to do it.
	But she said a guy likes also should care about the intellect, the degree, and all of that.
	You've listed multiple different things.
	I'm focused on the exact topic of what we're talking about.
	Okay, but what about also?
	Yes, women who are smart are attractive there.
	There you go.
	Yeah, I mean, you can be smart and not be a doctor.
	Well, I guess what other qualities aside from like personality qualities do people look for?
	Well, okay.
	Like are women just like why do we have to ask her do you like to talk to them too?
	Are women just meet bags or do you like to talk to them too?
	No, but like this idea that again I said are women just meet bags or do you like to talk to them too?
	Is that directed at me?
	No, I was talking about that.
	Okay, so as somebody who's actually, I'd say I'm kind of more on the introverted side.
	I actually do appreciate, like, I don't know, some people feel the need to like constantly be yapping.
	I'm actually totally cool.
	Like, I think a hallmark of a good relationship is comfort and silence, not needing to have to be fucking blabbing all the time.
	So, but of course, I don't want like a brain-dead partner, but like, I also, I mean, this perhaps coincides with someone who's capable of talking a lot.
	I don't want someone who's like very combative.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	And so, like, peace is very important to me.
	Yeah.
	Does that mean all intelligent people do talk a lot?
	No, not necessarily, but this idea, this idea that I need, like, I must have really deep conversation.
	Actually, I do.
	I definitely do.
	I will agree with you.
	I love it.
	I need a smart person.
	We don't just spend any time.
	Literally, I need to be attracted, and then I'm going to walk away.
	I don't know if that means it makes you smart.
	I need you to be smart.
	I'm trying to think of the word introspective.
	That's kind of what I look for.
	But not necessarily smart.
	Oh, no.
	I've had experiences.
	I've had experiences where I'm like.
	I'm not fucking smart.
	I've had experiences where I'm like, okay, let's, hey, babe, let's put on a show.
	And she wants to talk during the fucking show.
	I'm like, no.
	It's like, what's that?
	No, because we just chill.
	Can we just chill and watch the show?
	Or like sometimes it's like, but no, it's not like I can have very good conversations with people of any age.
	Like this idea that, again, like someone who's young doesn't have a certain level of maturity.
	they they don't have certain life experiences but I mean I look I I'm sure we can all agree here there's people that you've dated in your age cohort that are terrible people that are not particularly interesting or there so So you can find good people, I think, at any age.
	Um, and so I don't know.
	It just sounds like you're more willing to tolerate it from, you know, 18 to 25, and that's totally fine, that's totally okay.
	No, I don't want to tolerate, I don't want to really like no, someone who's like a bad person, or if you're weeding through, like if you're going to deal with the annoying things that come with any kind of person, he's more willing to tolerate it from like 18 to 25, you know, and that's that's fine, that's all.
	That's all we were asking.
	Like what other than like her readability selling point?
	Yeah, you know, but i'm not gonna tolerate a woman who has borderline personality disorder.
	I don't care how fucking hot she is yeah no, but like, I just meant like talking through movies, like a little bit like like little, like harmless quirks, what's a deal breaker for you?
	That's like.
	But there are, but what i'm saying?
	There are some men that will tolerate like absolutely egregious behavior.
	Like what, if?
	If the person is attractive enough and that applies to both men and women like if the person is attractive enough, they'll like, overlook certain red flags, they'll tolerate certain, certain behavior.
	He's really trying to get an argument for me like, if a girl, like if there's serious issues there, I don't care how hot she is, i'm not tolerating major, major issues.
	So yeah, good times.
	Oh, really quick.
	Just to go back to the plastic surgery stuff um, because I don't know, there's a little bit of pushback on that.
	So I would prefer a woman like so, let's say, a woman had fake breasts, but before she was totally flat.
	A lot of people might think whoa, like I, I would prefer her totally flat as she was.
	I don't care if they were lopsided, if one was bigger than the other, whatever the fuck, I don't care.
	I would prefer her as she was, without fake breasts.
	Yes, same with same with.
	Uh lipo, i'd prefer a girl.
	I'd prefer a girl with a little bit of belly fat than with a lipo belly.
	I think it doesn't look great.
	Uh, bbl.
	I'd prefer a girl with a flat butt than with a big bbl.
	I think it looks weird.
	Uh, what's the other one?
	Lip fillers.
	I'd prefer a girl with a small upper lip than with lip fillers.
	I think that's coming back.
	I think like way less women are getting lip filler now, like a lot of girls are getting it dissolved, which I love.
	I'm excited to see women be more confident with their own face.
	Yeah, I think lipstick is definitely coming back.
	Um, that was very hard, all right, let me.
	Let me get a couple chats here.
	We have uh, doc Vanablis sorry, but White coat, you are such a hypocrite.
	You bragged about all the dough you make but will not have a second date if the man won't pay.
	No wonder you have trouble with dates, cats lots.
	Well, with dating whata, there you go.
	Um Wait, I saw in your Instagram, it said you were a feminist.
	Is that correct?
	Feminist and liberal both.
	I cannot categorize myself just with like one.
	I definitely am a feminist, but I have also life showed me that I have to respect men so much too.
	And like I'm not going to judge because, oh, you're a man and basically I'm going to disregard and this is my belief system.
	So kind of about two years ago, like I have respect to human beings and it's not based on if you're a male or female.
	Okay.
	But like.
	But I have lots of, lots of passion for women.
	It's like a part of me because I'm a survival and I survived in life and I had a very, very hard life coming out from Iran and Middle East and being really living in a very suppressed country.
	So like there's a part of me always want to fight for women and then like my heart goes for women, maybe not as much as goes for men.
	Okay, but like as a as a feminist, kind of what are the primary things that you believe in related to that?
	I believe women should not sell their body.
	Oh, okay.
	There's different feminist views on that.
	On one, some feminists believe that women should have the freedom.
	Freedom?
	If you want to have fun, I'm perfectly fine with that.
	But then there's the other side of, well, it's for the benefit of the male gaze.
	And, you know, you're being objectified and you're being, what's the other word that's often used?
	Power.
	Well, no, that's the anti-porn feminist.
	Oh, objectifying, you mean?
	No, there's another term that is evading me.
	But, okay.
	You know, I never go to strip club.
	I just somehow randomly ended up two weeks ago in the strip club.
	I didn't know that's a strip club.
	I was supposed to go to the bar section and ended up watching the girls bending and taking money from floor.
	And I was just, it was like, I'm getting slapped in the face.
	I couldn't do it.
	I want to save them and I could not stand there.
	And I would like almost had tears in my eyes.
	And I'm like, what can I do?
	What can I contribute to the society so the girl value herself?
	So the girl go find a career.
	The girl finds like something for herself that values more than someone throw money and get up.
	So wait, as a feminist, you believe in equality?
	We can't really have 100% equality because we are different species.
	We can't really have 100% equality.
	We're not a different species, but that's a different way.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like, I mean, we had men and women, so they were different, yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
	Well, do you, so, like, as a feminist, do you think that women, I know you said you're from Iran, so let's, do you think women in the West are oppressed?
	Sometimes they can, yeah.
	Okay.
	If they're from smaller cities.
	Because I work with lots of women, and then majority of my employees are women.
	So I still see that in all different cultures.
	Okay.
	I maybe have five male employees and like 120 female.
	Wow.
	We need to put some quotas on your hiring practices.
	See, that's what's interesting.
	I feel like equality.
	Like, if there's an over-representation of women in a field, that's equality.
	But if there's an over-representation of men in a field, that's somehow evidence of discrimination.
	I know where you're going.
	It's completely correct.
	But also I'm in healthcare.
	So healthcare, nursing.
	How many male nurses would you have?
	Same with education.
	You make good money in nursing.
	Maybe there should be some quotas, some something.
	There should be a push for more male nurses.
	Yeah.
	Like meet the parents.
	Okay.
	And so, do you believe in the patriarchy?
	That's kind of a core tenant of feminism, I think.
	You know, I don't believe anything that is like written with, how can I say this?
	It's like, this is the law, and you have to believe everything this way.
	I don't believe anything.
	I feel like every human being should be free from choosing and bending a law.
	that it doesn't benefit their life.
	So, for example, I want to say I'm raised in a Muslim family and then my ex-husband was a Muslim and then they wanted me practice certain type of behavior.
	For example, we couldn't shake hands if they're non-Muslim.
	And then, so this was norm to this society.
	So, if I touch your hand and you're a Christian or you're a Jew or you're any other nationality, it's like I'm almost dirty if I'm touching someone else.
	So, so then I need to have a freedom, although if I'm raised with that culture, if I'm raised with that religion and everything.
	What's that have to do with the patriarchy?
	Can we define the patriarchy?
	Yeah, I was just going to ask that.
	No, I just want to say, like, I don't believe, like, yeah, I just want, I was trying to say, like, like, you should be free to bend over rules whenever you want to, and whatever is wrong with if you don't believe any part of it.
	I'm a bit confused.
	Well, okay, but I'm just asking because hold on.
	Yo, Prometheus thinking.
	I'm not sure if you've donated $100.
	As a hospital employee, there are copious amounts of male nurses.
	I'm not a nurse, but I can attest to I've seen them and communicated with them.
	Well, yeah, there's definitely a lot of people.
	Of course, yeah.
	I'm not saying it doesn't exist.
	Well, I'm sure I'm sure they've released statistics on the breakdown of nurses.
	I don't know what it is, but it's probably.
	It's largely women, for sure.
	I don't know if it's 80%, 90%, but it's pretty high.
	Well, okay, I'm just asking because you described yourself as a feminist, but you also want the guy to pay for a first date.
	You know, let me tell you why.
	Let me tell you why.
	Because I've been because of, I know this is going to sound a little bit cheesy, and it's not going to be like, but I've been conned before.
	You got conned?
	Yes, with like also guys coming after money.
	Also guys coming and looking for like, oh, for you, like, seeking financial benefits or this and that.
	So because of that, it's like, usually I have a lifestyle.
	If I want to enter the guy in my life, there is lots of financial benefit that whoever comes in my life, they will receive.
	So if they cannot even pay for the first date, and I'm like, I'm going to have a problem with my lifestyle.
	So I think this can be more personal to my life, maybe not going to be applied to everyone else.
	But I just feel like if you're a feminist, you believe in equality, and wouldn't it like the equal thing be to pay on a first aid?
	But no, so that's what the future is.
	So that's what I said.
	So I choose a part of being feminist, not all of us.
	So I do believe equality, but not 100%, because we can't be, for example, 100% equal.
	That's what I was trying to say.
	We can't be equal as a man and woman.
	But, I mean, so equality when it benefits you?
	Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
	She admits it.
	There you go.
	Okay, she has over.
	Well, that's what she was meaning by the laws, I think, too.
	And saying, you know, one can bend, she believes that one can kind of almost bend laws when it's, or like the patriarchy, like societal things when it benefits them is almost what you were saying, right?
	What is the patriarchy?
	So like, have you seen the Barbie movie?
	Did you see the Barbie?
	Can you define it?
	Did you see the Barbie movie?
	No, I said, what is the patriarchy?
	No, I know.
	So I was asking if you'd seen the Barbie movie because I have, and it's not about horses.
	So what is it about?
	So in the Barbie movie, they kind of go into what patriarchy and matriarchy is.
	So just more.
	Get your feminist talking points from a Hollywood movie.
	I was more interested in Oppenheimer, but yeah.
	No, I watched that too.
	That was amazing.
	It was so good.
	Killian Murphy.
	Anyway, sorry.
	Wait, hold on.
	How old is Killian Murphy?
	He's 45.
	I looked.
	I am there.
	I said what I did, Mary.
	Wait, hold on.
	How old are you?
	28.
	That's a reasonable age.
	Reasonable age.
	I'm past my prime.
	I'm married.
	I know.
	I know.
	I have such a crush on him.
	That's a pretty big age gap there, though.
	I know.
	But it's fine because I'm not 18 to 25, right?
	He's writing that down.
	He's writing that down.
	Red flag.
	All right.
	Let's do a couple soup chats here.
	We have DJ Tuck Varr.
	Thank you, man.
	Brandon, I know you got them big bucks, but you need to spend some on the tan.
	You damn near as wide as the table, my guy.
	I thought he was going to do a, like, under the table on his phone, do a little fucking champagne.
	You know, I'm actually, I'm not even, I'm not, I'm going to get there, but.
	Oh, okay, Brandon.
	Champagne or something?
	Okay, Benja the Offender.
	Ladies, if your dream man was dating your female best friend, would you try to steal him from her?
	Ariana Grande?
	Never.
	Never.
	If your dream man was dating your female best friend, would you try to steal him from her?
	Ariana Grande, her.
	Oh, she's like, yes, I would.
	She's getting me?
	No, not me.
	I feel like my dream man wouldn't be dating her.
	Okay, wait.
	So if Killian Murphy was dating your best friend, what would you do?
	I didn't like the Barbie movie.
	Look at that.
	All I'm going to say.
	Everything that I said I liked.
	I didn't say that.
	Just because soccer has a belief in you can't score.
	That's all I'm doing.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	No, you can't be like, if someone is dating someone, especially in your personal circle, that's weird.
	And I'm going to be honest, like, I don't want your seconds.
	That's weird.
	That's weird to me.
	Interesting.
	And it's like, if you didn't, if you had the option between my friend and me and you picked her, why would I want you after you already picked someone else?
	Whether it's my friend or not.
	I don't really.
	He's not really my dream man.
	I wouldn't think so.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's odd.
	I feel like if you can steal a man, that man.
	Honestly, he's kind of trash.
	If you can steal trash, he's like, if you can't see who's the hottest one.
	So I'm going to say no on that.
	I'll never go after a man.
	If Killian Murphy's ever single.
	X-5 podcast.
	It's so cool you have the chick from Rocky 4 on your pod.
	Oh my God.
	She has aged so well.
	I don't know what that's a reference to.
	I don't know.
	The guy's probably fat and plays video games all the time.
	So I'll say that.
	He drinks Mountain Dew in a while.
	Yeah, he probably has like a Cheeto as a garnish.
	But yeah, no, 45 is go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop follow, drop Prime sub, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.
	It's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Actually, wait, bring it back.
	I got a shout out, everybody.
	Yo, Shanna, thank you for the prime.
	Short, thank you for the prime.
	Bort, thank you for the prime.
	I can't pronounce it.
	Cal, thank you for the prime.
	Gino, thank you for the prime.
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	Zeus, thank you for the prime.
	Big JC, thank you for the prime for three months.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for all the follows, guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, were we, we read if your dream man was dating your female best friend, would you try to steal him from her?
	Yeah, we all said no.
	All right, we got Puffy Vegas.
	If I said it once, I'll say it a thousand times.
	There's no such thing as a faithful woman.
	Wrong.
	Disagree.
	Yeah, no.
	You've been hurt.
	I'm sorry, Puffy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	We have Sean Nedine.
	Thank you, man.
	From my understanding, the story came out as false this week, just saying, but she definitely has a pattern of this.
	Oh, that was about Ariana.
	Wait, the story's false?
	No.
	I don't think so.
	No.
	Okay, if you look at the guy compared to Ariana, I kind of thought, really?
	Are we sure about that?
	To be fair, he's probably like such a Chad.
	He's played SpongeBob on Broadway.
	Are you sure about that?
	Here's the thing, though.
	Like the Broadway dudes, the Broadway dudes are just.
	They're just getting ran through the boss.
	I think a lot of the men on Broadway are not straight.
	I think.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Like a lot of men in theater are not straight.
	Yeah.
	So like the ones that are, in the same way, like a straight male ballerina is like fucking all the ballerinas.
	Just because like there's no competition.
	So he's just going through all the theater chicks, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Wow, okay.
	That's my bro science theory there.
	I didn't know it was fake though, but thank you, Sean.
	X5 podcast.
	It's so cool you have the chick from Rocky 4 on your pod.
	She has aged well.
	Thank you, X5.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, whoa, fuck.
	Holy shit.
	$500 to see you.
	Oh, my God.
	I thought that was $100.
	Holy shit, bro.
	Wow.
	Yo, X5, thank you very much.
	I'd like to.
	Keep the insults coming.
	You're going to pay for them.
	Wow, thank you.
	I'll take them all day.
	We'll take your cash.
	I don't know who it's towards, but thank you for the money.
	Yo, dude, X5.
	I think this is Jeff.
	Jeff, if this is you, thank you, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	I'd like to send a little reminder there.
	Guys, YouTube takes a 30% cut of super chat revenue, membership revenue.
	So instead of super chatting, I do direct you guys to try to go to streamlabs.com/slash whatever.
	You can do it through Stupchat.
	It's fine.
	It's not a big deal.
	But if you want less of your, or excuse me, if you want more of your contribution to actually go towards whatever and not into the pockets of woke megacorp YouTube that doesn't need the money, consider doing it through Streamlabs because they only take 3%, whereas YouTube, as I said, takes 30%.
	So what is 30% of 500?
	That's 150, I believe.
	Wait.
	Yeah, it's a lot.
	30, 30, 30.
	Never do math and podcasts.
	Yeah, so like, you're giving 100 if you're doing this.
	You're giving $150.
	Again, I'm super grateful, very thankful.
	But just keep in mind, you're giving $150 of this $500 to YouTube.
	Whereas if you did through Streamlabs, I think it would be like, there'd be like a $20, $20 payment processing fee on a $500.
	So, you know, this is food for thought, guys.
	Food for thought if you want to do it through Streamlabs.
	But either way, it's fine.
	I know it's cooler because on YouTube, it shows in the chat.
	So it's whatever you guys want.
	Blake Rowlands, thank you, man.
	Marriage is a vow to love and cherish till death, not a vow to love and cherish only if you're happy.
	Yo, very, very good point.
	I pray my future wife stands by me through it all.
	Yeah, I mean, that's the other thing.
	The vows you say, like your word, people's words means nothing.
	Till death do us part has to mean something.
	In sickness and in health.
	What's the other part?
	For better or for worse.
	For better or for worse.
	For Richard Report.
	Wait, you're listening to me.
	In sickness and in health, isn't there a stat that usually when a partner gets sick, it's usually the guy who leaves the relationship.
	I think it's fake news.
	I think that's fake news.
	It's really new in Middle East and Asian.
	I think it's fake news.
	Like if you were really suffering from Hashimoto's, I'd stick it out.
	Just saying.
	If you really suffer.
	I would, you know, I wouldn't, you know, just saying.
	Okay, Puffy Vegas, we have, thank you, man.
	I'm a 48-year-old man.
	I know what this girls are saying now is a youthful thinking, but listen to this.
	100%, Puffy, come on, brother.
	Of women my age who don't have kids are depressed and miserable.
	Listen to me once.
	You cannot have kids.
	It's too late.
	You know what, though?
	You know what, though?
	I think a really like rebuttal to this from the other side is that, well, like, I don't think men are holding up that great either.
	I don't think anybody's doing it.
	Not holding up well in what?
	Well, like, I mean, if you look at rates, there is something to be said about like the comparative rates of like depression or whatever between men and women in certain age cohorts.
	But like men are deleting themselves more.
	So like, you know, and they make more money.
	So, okay, KV Moga, thank you, man.
	The best value women brings to the planet is giving birth.
	Don't be a slave to modern feminism.
	Lies and propaganda.
	I don't know.
	A woman took us to the moon.
	That's a special thing to give birth.
	Scientists that wrote a mathematician that wrote all the code.
	I mean, I think that's a pretty amazing thing to add to the world besides just a child.
	Agreed.
	I mean, a woman birthed her to be able to do that.
	Sure, I'm not saying that isn't valuable, but that's not the only purpose a woman has.
	That's not the point.
	That's the value.
	Well, he's saying the best value.
	Yeah.
	It's a very special thing to be able to bring life into this world.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think, I mean, my view on this is, and I've said this before, there are certainly ramifications of doubling the labor pool when we kind of did that, economically speaking.
	And case in point, like, you can no longer raise a family on one income, generally speaking.
	But I do think it's beneficial that we've opened up the labor pool to women insofar as we can now, and I'm using this term in the most charitable sense of the term, we can now exploit women's genius and intelligence and brilliance to tackle some of the most difficult problems that we as the human race are facing.
	Chiefly, for example, I think it's wonderful if we have more women pursuing cancer research.
	I think it's wonderful for us to throw women's intelligence and manpower, or I suppose woman power towards those issues.
	I mean, so I think more women should get into STEM and more people in general should get into STEM and attempt to tackle because I mean cancer knows no gender, illness knows no gender.
	So I think if we can tap into women's intellect to attempt to solve these things, I'm all for it.
	All right, we have Mount Whateverist missed moving that three of clubs.
	You're right.
	What is that?
	Oh, I think inside joke.
	Like, you know, I'm a big solitaire buff.
	So Puffy Vegas, hey, thank you, man.
	I'm going to rate the girls starting with the girl from Rocky 4, 7, 8, 6, 7, 6, 6, 7, and the girl in the hat, 7.5.
	What about me?
	You're a male, so I don't think he was rating the girls.
	We have DJ Takvar.
	Hey, thank you, Brunette Shorty, next to Brandon.
	What's your ethnicity?
	You're fine as hell, girl.
	Hashtag shooters shot.
	Shoot.
	Excuse me.
	Also, goddammit, Brian, we need more room temp IQs on the show.
	Let me be your talent scout.
	I'd have that panel so inept that it'd make Biden look like MLK.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no, I think the panel's actually been really good tonight.
	Sometimes there's a lack of discussion going on.
	So I appreciate people actually having some input on things.
	Thank you, DJ.
	Puffy, I've known a lot of Utah girls.
	My point, they were not having, they were doing back puffy, my dude.
	Bro, I DM'd you on Instagram, Puffy.
	Are you going to answer me?
	If you don't answer me, I will be very disappointed, sir.
	Hold on.
	What the fuck?
	Oh, Rip.
	Hold on.
	What the f?
	Okay.
	We have Brant.
	Bender the Offender, Army Lady.
	I have a sneaking suspicion you were a barracks bunny.
	So they're referring to a barracks bunny because, God forbid, a woman be beautiful and be in the military.
	So there's been a lot of comments like this saying that I'm sure, you know, that they're sure I was just a barracks bunny.
	But not only did I serve in Afghanistan and work with women and children in a war-torn country for almost two years, but I was also a Rappel Master, air assault, and the first female in the history of the Oregon Army National Guard to pass Rappel Master School.
	So definitely not a Barracks bunny by any means.
	Yeah, definitely a lot more intelligent than that.
	And I just did your dad only.
	Sorry.
	Wait, I love that.
	Bender the Offender.
	What's a Barracks bunny?
	So barracks is where people live in the military.
	It's referred to as the barracks.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	It's a nice track.
	Did you ever any did I ever have any military relations?
	No, no, no.
	Did you ever have to touch it?
	Yeah.
	You were in.
	You said Afghanistan?
	Yeah.
	I think that was a good idea.
	Did you ever kill a man?
	Oh, come on.
	Move on.
	Yeah, move on.
	Yes.
	No, that's not.
	No, move on.
	That's not.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	What's your other kind of body count?
	Yeah, the other body count.
	All right.
	All right.
	Here I am.
	All right.
	Puffy Vegas.
	I'm 48 years.
	I've known thousands of men.
	I've owned several businesses.
	I've never once heard a man bring up a woman's finances.
	We do not care.
	We do not care.
	Excited or excited.
	We do not care.
	I can't wait to be made at my job.
	Bender the Offender donated $99.
	So you smashed a bum.
	Damn, that's a loss for you.
	Oh, for the dad coming.
	Damn.
	Wait, what?
	This is Bender the Offender.
	Oh, yeah, keep the money coming.
	Let's get this man paid.
	So what?
	So you smashed a bad badge.
	No, he's saying that his dad's a bum.
	And you smashed a bun.
	Whatever you want.
	Spend more money.
	Wow, this is getting deep.
	That's why he's being rude on you.
	Yeah.
	He's got a great quality life.
	Oh, not a big offense.
	He's dead on you because he thinks you're attractive.
	I know.
	That's the thing.
	He'll be DMing me later.
	This always happens.
	I'm going to get bullied.
	This is not my first rodeo.
	This is going to come for your.
	Okay.
	Matthew Saturn.
	Hey, thank you for the 50.
	First time catching y'all.
	Sevens all day.
	Question for the panel.
	Why do we need money?
	Welcome to the whatever economic policy podcast.
	Why do we need money?
	Yeah, honestly, buy gold.
	We need money.
	I mean, you know, you barter instead of trading goats for tailoring.
	It's like a way to, you know, that's a way to, you know.
	I actually don't know.
	Why do we need money?
	So we can exchange a few goods and services.
	So I don't have to go and shoot my dinner every night.
	There we go.
	Although that is kind of fun.
	That is fun, though.
	Going hunting is fun.
	I think it would be fun.
	I just like LASIK in my eyes.
	I can't see, so I would probably miss and you to help me.
	Yeah, I think it can be fun.
	I have fun with my LASIK surgery.
	Okay, so let's try to come back to a couple of the points that you guys sent in the pre-show information.
	Let's see.
	We have Amy.
	The challenges of dating today, it's so hard to find people who want a traditional relationship.
	What is a traditional relationship?
	Wait, what did I say?
	I can't remember what I said when I wrote it.
	Literally what I just said.
	What is a traditional relationship?
	Well, I mean, traditional relationships are.
	You said it's hard to find.
	Yeah, so I was referring to Los Angeles, like in Los Angeles, which is where I live.
	Wait, who here's from LA or lives in LA?
	Swordless donated 100.
	Are you in LA?
	What's wrong with the goats?
	They are tasting a haha.
	What's wrong with goats?
	No, listen, there's nothing wrong with goats, but just like as a matter of simplicity when it comes to bartering, like you got to bring the goat to the dude, and then he's got to get you some moccasins.
	It's fucked.
	We don't, you know, that's why we have money.
	We, you know.
	Makes it easier.
	Okay, I don't know.
	So people can do the work you don't want to do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Here's how you want to do it.
	I was rewarded with these pieces of paper which have value for my labor.
	I am now trading it for your labor.
	That also the fucking economy shit.
	Okay.
	Wait, go ahead.
	We were talking about relationships.
	Traditional.
	Yeah.
	So I mean like in Los Angeles today, like there's so many, as you're kind of going through the dating apps and stuff, there's so many men who are, you know, out in the open and say, I want like an ethical, non-monogamous.
	Yeah, exactly, relationship.
	And it just seems like that's overwhelmingly the norm in Los Angeles now.
	And so when I talk about like a traditional relationship, I mean like, you know, monogamous exclusivity, not having an open relationship.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Anybody here also want a traditional relationship?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Not you.
	What do you want?
	Are you ethically non-monogamous?
	I've always been monogamous.
	Okay.
	Why are you looking at me that way?
	I'm just saying, I think my answer is going to depend on the next partner.
	So I'm open to that.
	You're open to what?
	I'm open to figuring out what I want when I finally meet that person.
	Well, when I meet a person.
	Would you be okay with it being open on his end, but closed on yours?
	Open on his end and closed.
	Like he could see other girls, but you can't see other girls.
	Why would we arrive at that, though?
	There has to be a reason.
	Like, usually you go into a relationship having the same values.
	So why would we eventually get into that?
	Because you're kind of like, you know, you're being considerate of your partner.
	You're just kind of being considered.
	There is a good discussion there.
	Like, with Esther Perel, if you guys are familiar, like she actually asks, well, she actually discusses how we try to make that one person into everything, right?
	Best friend, someone who you share, I don't know, like sports or whatever your interests are.
	And she asks this question, should your partner be the only one resource for this kind of connections?
	It's an open-ended question.
	It always depends on the type of person that you are.
	So no wrong answers there.
	I think they should be your priority.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Maybe you're in a friend.
	But it's opening that talk where realistically, this is according to her.
	I've been reading her.
	It took a village to get, you know, the resources, the connections that you have.
	But now we are so concentrated, like, here, the modern dating.
	It's very, you know, just unique.
	I don't date women who have deflated lips.
	No man wants to pump up a tire that has a hole in it.
	He's still on it.
	I think that's to have a response to Benjor the Offender.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I just want him to keep sending you money.
	So, I mean, go for it.
	What else you got?
	That's your clap back.
	I'm just not worried about it.
	I'm just not worried about it.
	I mean, like, this is the thing.
	This is not my first time doing a podcast.
	And it's definitely not my first time having many people be like, oh, she's in the military.
	She must be a Barracks bunny.
	And then go for my lips or my face or whatever.
	I'm fine with it.
	Like, keep it coming.
	It gets this man paid.
	Please respect our veterans.
	Yeah.
	That's crazy.
	That's right.
	You're so disrespectful.
	Do you lift?
	Yeah.
	I do dijitsu too.
	Damn.
	Really?
	I'm kind of miring your, you got a good, some guns.
	She's got some detonation.
	I can see the vein even.
	Yeah, it's just, I mean, like, honestly, like, who goes after a fucking combat veteran?
	Yes, seriously.
	It's like, come on.
	That's true.
	There's people that are going to be in my DMs later.
	That's what's going to happen.
	I'm serious.
	You're like, hey, I'm sorry, but they just want me to be.
	They just want to go out.
	They just want me to be a dom.
	And it's horrible.
	Do we just all collectively thank you for your service?
	No, it's not necessary.
	It's not necessary.
	I'm just like, who does that?
	I think we should.
	If you really wanted to clap back at Bender, you would be like, why is your name like a futurama?
	Come on.
	I mean, I just don't know why he's so mad.
	Like, why are you so mad?
	He's not mad.
	I told you he likes you.
	Period.
	Maybe he's like a moment.
	That's a toxic mentality, but I'm not sure.
	I don't think it's averting.
	I do think it's averting.
	Like, men, communicate your feelings.
	Other than just anger.
	Men be like, I have no feelings.
	He also makes you up for getting no anger.
	Wait, so just again, show of hands.
	Who wants a traditional relationship?
	Okay, gotcha.
	And so, Nikki, you said that you said something about you're religious, right?
	You're Christian?
	Okay.
	You want like a traditional you said don't have sex before marriage, which is very traditional.
	His.
	But have you?
	Have you had any indiscretions or indiscretions?
	Had some entanglements.
	Yeah.
	This is more of like a now that I'm truly committing to my faith, now it's making sense of why this is in place.
	Because it's not a good thing.
	You got to speak into the mic, otherwise they can't hear you.
	Sorry.
	Whether you're religious or not, sex is a very powerful energy exchange.
	And if you think about it, that's as close as you're ever going to physically be with someone.
	Well, I'm not asking why you're waiting until marriage, but you are waiting until marriage.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct.
	But has that always been your standard?
	It hasn't always been my standard.
	When did your standard change?
	Last year.
	Okay, so you're 28, so at 27.
	Yeah.
	So previously just like regular relationships.
	Indiscriminate sex, like a couple times a week?
	Or what are we talking about?
	No.
	No, I just, I, with people I've dated that I've been in like committed relationships with, I mean, just like everyone else, you're intimate and then you break up and then you find another person you're dating.
	But more recently, just thinking it's not helpful to have all these intimate connections with people.
	It's not healthy for you.
	And it's just not, it actually is helpful to weed out people because then you're not basing things off of like a primal physical connection, though that is important.
	It's very important.
	But you're forced to see what compatibilities you truly have and if you genuinely enjoy being around this person.
	So if you take sex out of that equation, while it is a very important element, you can't be the only one.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Nikki, let me fly you out to DC and have a day.
	You're so effing pretty.
	Amy, keep bringing the sus love it to what Sai said.
	I love that question.
	We put so much pressure on loving only one person romantically.
	Buzzword toe.
	Yo, JT, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	That was really nice.
	Thank you.
	There you go.
	Do you take he wants to fly you out to DC?
	That's amazing.
	Do I get to know anything about him first?
	No, that's it.
	He just has his user handle.
	That sounds like how I get murdered, actually.
	So I'm going to say, like, thank you, but why don't we have a conversation first?
	Okay, JT, if you want to send another chat, let us know.
	Age.
	Private DMs.
	Details, height.
	Tell us the details.
	Okay, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	So that one came through.
	We got all those caught up.
	Let me just check for.
	We have this one.
	Oh, wait, we already did that one.
	What is catching all sevens?
	Wait, we got, okay, I have a question for you because we got to pull up your Instagram really quick.
	My Instagram?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We got to pull up your Instagram.
	Hi.
	Nick, if you can pull up Nikki's Instagram por favour.
	Oh, gosh.
	So while we wait for Nick to do that, I have a question for you.
	If your boyfriend asked you to make your Instagram private and or take down any revealing photos, bikini photos, for example, would you do it?
	Yeah.
	Why not?
	Scroll down.
	That was a great page.
	Yeah, I think yours is so tasteful.
	It's really good.
	I mean, I'm from Redondo Beach.
	Like, I'm at the beach a lot.
	Are these bad?
	No.
	It's okay.
	I mean, I can handle some criticism.
	If they're too much, I'll take them down.
	I don't mind.
	But you wouldn't object to if your boyfriend.
	No, no, I really don't.
	If he could say, like, hey, you know what?
	This is a little bit too much skin for the whole world to see.
	Would he go take it down?
	I'd be like, you know what?
	Yes.
	But, you know, you have to remember that goes both ways.
	But then again, like, I'd be like, but here's the thing.
	I'm going to be honest.
	Like, if my man looked really good with the shirt off, I'd be like, yo, let me post these.
	I don't think it's that big of a deal.
	But I think where's your, what's your intention with it?
	I would say.
	As a guy?
	For both.
	For both.
	Like, posting a certain picture, what's your intention?
	Is it a thirst trap?
	Is it just like, hey, here's me at the beach?
	Or I think that matters.
	Context matters.
	But I don't have any objections to taking things down.
	I care about this person more I care about the people on my Instagram feed.
	So yeah.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	Did you think I was going to say no?
	I respect men.
	I love men.
	They're wonderful.
	No, but I do think it's different.
	Like if a guy has like shirtless beach pics, I think that's a little different than a woman who has like bikini pics.
	Really?
	Why?
	Why?
	Because the level of attention that men and women receive is vastly different.
	And the way that men and women flirt is very different.
	Like the attention she gets.
	Is it?
	It's not, well, I mean, if you're posting like that kind of content, then.
	That's like double the standard.
	What do you mean?
	Like if the man does it, it's okay.
	And if the woman does it, if the woman does it.
	Well, there's all kinds of double standards.
	Yeah, true.
	The man's not going to get the attention, though.
	He will from me.
	I think that should matter.
	Interesting.
	I think men talk about it a little bit publicly differently than women do.
	Like I think men look at women's Instagrams and they go and they talk about it with everyone and anyone.
	Whereas like women, we do go look.
	Of course we do.
	Like we look at men's and like, oh, like that guy looks crazy.
	He looks so good.
	We do do that kind of stuff.
	We just don't talk about it in the same way.
	Like many conversations.
	And I also think what matters most here when it comes to a woman's Instagram and having her delete stuff is what was the intention behind posting it?
	I was just going through.
	It doesn't matter what the intention is.
	I think it kind of does.
	It's not fair, though, if you think about like if I post anything, there's going to be some weird dude that's like, oh, show this and that.
	It's like, okay, I don't control what's coming out of his mouth.
	I control what I'm doing.
	Well, okay, so look, when it comes to intention, yes, like perhaps intention does matter a little bit.
	However, the end result of what is ultimately out there, your initial intention doesn't matter if the potential negative consequences or impact on your relationship are the same.
	Because your intention, like if those sorts of things are out there and it has a negative impact on the relationship in some way, then.
	Brian, do you want me to delete pictures off my Instagram?
	I mean, we're not dating.
	We're not dating.
	You can do whatever you want.
	Well, it's just interesting because you want me to.
	I was having.
	Oh, sorry.
	Well, like, I'm kind of like, I don't.
	I don't really care all that much.
	Like, guys have different views on this.
	However, would it be my like leaning?
	Oh, hey, swordless.
	Mercy Buku for the 20 gifted memberships.
	It'd be my slight preference for my girl to have like minimal social media presence, minimal.
	Does that mean you have to have a minimal social media presence?
	Well, this is what I do for work.
	There's a difference.
	Is it that one?
	No, but there's like a normal girl who has no intention of making money on social media is like could very well be posting degenerate photos on Instagram.
	Are my photos degenerate?
	I'm not saying your photos are degenerate.
	I'm speaking hypothetically here.
	But like if you're posting super revealing photos on Instagram, it's different.
	And also, you can go to my Instagram.
	Like, I'm not posting.
	You're not posting their straps?
	No.
	Maybe you should.
	I mean, that's not the type of person I am, but I don't know where I was going with this.
	Did you have a question?
	There's a lot of questions here.
	No, the thing that I wanted to touch on was that it's different between men and women.
	Because, okay.
	Women run passive game.
	Like, women don't really approach men, but they'll put themselves in positions where they could be approached by men.
	They won't DM a man, but they'll post pictures to lure him into DMing them via Instagram, social media.
	So men are salesmen, women are marketers.
	The difference is, though, when you get into a relationship, there's an expectation that the guy stop being a salesman and like approaching women.
	However, women were never approaching men to begin with.
	Women were marketing themselves.
	So women are continuously marketing themselves even when they're in a relationship.
	So that's kind of my qualm with it.
	Makes sense.
	A lot of people don't have the capacity to see that nuanced distinction there.
	In a committed strap.
	It's more nuanced, but I think it just boils down to finding someone who shares the same values as you.
	It's like you don't even have to go big picture.
	Like, okay, this is what you want.
	Then go for that.
	No, but.
	I mean, yeah, we are talking about it happening.
	Oh, hold on.
	Well, I'll come back.
	Brian can't post their straps because it would literally crash Instagram.
	He's a full effing snack, JK.
	Much love, bro.
	Very diverse panel this show.
	Keep up the good work.
	Yeah, I think it's a really good panel tonight.
	No, I just, there's differences between men and women.
	And so, like.
	That's too less.
	You okay, Madison?
	Oh, it was a sneeze.
	Okay, I thought you were.
	Like, in a committed relationship, a man should stop pitching and a woman should stop advertising.
	Fair proposition.
	That's fair.
	I think that's very fair.
	And especially, like, anywhere.
	How do you guys feel about your man or someone you're talking to, like, fire emoji responding to girls' Instagram stories?
	Oh, that was a very...
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think it depends on the intention as well.
	And he's like, fire.
	Your bikini posts weren't that out there, but like if you're like, you ever see those OnlyFan models where like they're bikini and they're just tits are out?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's kind of what we're not looking for.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Okay, so, oh, we, okay, we did that.
	Hold on.
	We got some more notes here from everybody.
	Nikki, you dated a guy from an old Nickelodeon show, and he ended up being a huge racist, huh?
	Which show?
	Oh, please, no.
	It's going to be.
	I can't.
	Just say it.
	Don't worry.
	There's like nobody watching the show.
	There's like two people watching that.
	No, I can't do that.
	It doesn't matter why, but I happen to be.
	Shia LaBeouf?
	No.
	He was on the Nickelodeon show, wasn't he?
	No, I think that was Disney Channel.
	That was Disney Channel.
	Yeah.
	That was Disney Channel.
	No, it wasn't him.
	I would absolutely say it if it was Shia LaBeouf.
	Okay.
	Anyway.
	You don't want to share?
	I'm not going to share who it was, but yeah, I ended up meeting him and I was thinking, I'm like, why do you, you look so familiar?
	And he's like, oh, you know, he kind of just brushed it off.
	And I was like, oh, interesting.
	And then we're literally in the middle of like dinner.
	And I was like, oh my, it hit me.
	Like, just so.
	And I was like, oh my gosh.
	And I was like, okay, cool, whatever.
	Then as the date like progressed, he just started saying some very outlandish things.
	I don't know if I can say that one here.
	Okay, we'll skip over that.
	Okay.
	So yeah, I've never called him.
	You also said most petty thing, deal breaker, slightly irrational deal breakers that shouldn't be deal breakers, but totally are.
	Mine is anyone who likes country music.
	Immediate no.
	I don't like country music.
	I'm sorry.
	I can't.
	It's too twangy.
	Turn the lock.
	I don't know what that song is, but I don't like it.
	It's a deal breaker.
	That shouldn't matter.
	Aren't you like Christian conservative?
	Don't a lot of conservative people like country music.
	Do you like the try it in a small town?
	Try that in a small town?
	I'm from California.
	I'm from Los Angeles.
	I don't do, I don't do that.
	But ironically enough, yeah, I do want someone who like knows how to survive on a ranch or a farm or something.
	I'm like, ah, but I don't like country music.
	It's terribly ironic and the irony is not lost on me.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Not ideal for me.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Okay, so we have Claudia here.
	You said you're a doctor, correct?
	Yeah.
	But as in PhD, not medical.
	Yeah, I'm not an MD.
	Is it fair to claim doctor?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, of course.
	I've heard some differing opinions on if it's fair to claim doctor.
	Is that your title?
	Yes.
	Technically, PhD is a lot of people.
	I have really a lot of people.
	I have two PhDs.
	I have two PhDs.
	I'm in neurology and in clinical psychology.
	So yeah.
	Into the mic.
	And I have two PhDs in clinical psychology and neurology.
	So like, I, and I now, August 14th, I'm going to start doing more neuroscience.
	I'm going to be in neuropsychology.
	So I like help rehabilitate, you know, people with TM, like trauma, brain injury, and mapping out like the MRIs and seeing, you know, now I have to predict, since I can't do talk therapy anymore, I have to predict their program in order to have for them to have a better quality life.
	So I absolutely do the hard work.
	So yes, I claim myself as a doctor.
	You have work to do that.
	Yeah.
	So you said you want to talk about the behavioral pattern on my show.
	Yeah.
	And the reason why all the women you choose are what we call avatars.
	What do you mean by that?
	Okay, so when I noticed is that hold on, hold on.
	Let me just stop this show.
	Right here.
	I need you directionally because you're like ducking behind the mic.
	I need you up on the mic and I need you speaking directly straight into it.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so well, some of the past shows, I've noticed that this, that you're become that this show, I saw some of the past shows, and a lot of these women, I noticed that they, some of them are like, would start copying what they said to each other and get, and the word is actually not triggered.
	It's actually reactive abuse.
	Like, so they would get.
	Well, no, it's not semantics.
	It's an actual definition.
	So, and it's not your fault.
	It's that they get very angry.
	So they stop.
	You actually stop listening to each other.
	And that's something I noticed.
	And both of you guys are on defense.
	And so they literally stop listening to you guys and they're angry.
	And by this time, they're just saying and spinning things and like not listening to what you're trying to say or whatever other panelists is trying to say.
	So like literally, there's actually no debate happening.
	And by this time, that's why they're walking out or they're starting to get teary-eyed or they're starting to rage.
	So it's pretty rare we have that.
	I mean, we've had a couple people leave the show.
	Obviously, like I'm attempting to have debates with people.
	No, yeah, absolutely.
	But yeah, I've seen, no, and I understand that it's a show, but I've seen that like that some of the girls do get pushed into something that gets them very angry.
	They don't know.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, no, no, totally.
	I'm sometimes aversion with my girlfriend.
	Absolutely.
	And that's what makes your show very successful because honestly, I get really into it too.
	But I see that the more that they're pushed, they're becoming very reactive to the show.
	And what that's usually in a psychology term, it's called an avatar because all of the girls start becoming reactive just like they are.
	Not all of them, but for the most part, if they're close enough to each other, they all start reacting because they want to defend the girl state, even if it doesn't even equalize to them or they didn't have that inspired idea before.
	Not always, but I mean, the thing that actually did, I did agree with you on is like if one girl, like the first girl that answers, and if she answers the question a certain way, oftentimes what I have noticed is the like following girls will like get in line behind what she said instead of actually voicing voicing their genuine opinion or thought on a topic.
	So I have noticed that where whoever sits in that chair kind of can set the tone for the show.
	And if like this person in the chair is like very, you know, kind of says something reasonable, like the following girls are not going to be so inclined to be genuine in their answer.
	But you said that you also, you dated comedians or actors or very wealthy men.
	Yeah.
	What's the wealthiest man you've ever?
	Any billionaires?
	No, multi-millionaire.
	Multi-millionaires?
	Yes.
	His net worth's like around 600 million.
	Yeah.
	That's pretty good.
	Yeah.
	Pretty good.
	Nothing to.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you said modern dating is a mess that and you don't I don't participate.
	Men do not know how to date and women are entitled.
	When you say men don't know how to date, what do you mean?
	Like they don't pay for the first date.
	Agreeing for the LA thing is that I'm starting to find it really hard to like find men.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, dude.
	Oh, so sorry.
	I said the same thing.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, that I'm finding it hard for like men to like, I like the traditional men.
	So I feel like I'm more like, I will say that like I'm more like a foreign woman that I prefer men to be more like how foreign men treat foreign women.
	So yeah, and like also, I also think that some women feel very entitled and they bring absolutely nothing to the table and they expect a lot from men.
	I'm not saying like I'm just generalizing some women that I've like talked to and I've like been like, well, what are you bringing to the table?
	And they have absolutely nothing, like nothing.
	And I'm literally, and they want like a man who's literally like saying like, I want him to make a million, two million, three million.
	And literally like they like think that all they have to do is be pretty, be young, or be like, or bring her aesthetic.
	And that's it.
	And I believe that you have to have something special, some intellect, be a good mother.
	Have a low body count, I agree, because I don't want even him to be like base chasing, like young chasing, like really basic young or not young, let me take that word out so like some basic trashy women when i've taken care of myself, I have a low body count and I have invested so much into my education for him to be like choosing just any trashy woman and yeah, i'm gonna date that.
	So I mean not to bring this up again.
	We already talked about this.
	But I mean, you mentioned your education.
	Your educational achievements are not really gonna make you more attractive to a male partner.
	Okay, but also I, it's fantastic no, good for you, I agree, but it doesn't make you more attractive, I know.
	But okay, that's fine.
	But I also have other stuff that I bring to the table because I know i'm gonna be a good mother, I know i'm gonna be a good wife.
	I have a low body count for a reason, I have a come from a good family and and I have a lot of other achievements that a lot of women don't have.
	So, like that, what achievements.
	I have a book coming up, I I have, I have my own.
	That's fantastic, but it doesn't make you more attractive to a?
	It doesn't matter, I already know, okay.
	I already know okay no wait, it's true.
	Okay, let's take away my achievement.
	I already know the status that I could, the status of the men that I can date, just from live experience.
	My brain already processes that, so it already knows like, what I can date, what I can't date.
	So okay, let me see, just from that take, I already know if my attraction, like I, will consider myself a solid six.
	Sure so oh, we should do that, we gotta do the raid, yeah so, but with whatever reason, this can take me here.
	So that's what i'm saying, even if i'm not like uh, like a 10, I already know what I can date.
	So that's from where I go based on, even without any of my achievements.
	But I don't want somebody who is so non-selective that they will literally date anybody.
	Beautiful, I love it, I love it.
	Here's the thing, though, when it comes to the achievements and the education and stuff.
	That's fantastic for you on an individual level, but I I don't think you should cite those things as things that will make you more attractive to a male partner.
	Let me just finish now.
	That would be like me telling all the girls here.
	Like back in 2019, when World Of Warcraft Classic came out, I leveled four characters to 60.
	I had four level 60s in World Of Warcraft.
	I had a 60 rogue uh, a 60 undead rogue, A 60 Orc Warrior, a 60 Warlock, Undead Warlock, and a 60 Undead Mage.
	Now, on my Rogue, I got Perdition's Blade.
	I had some decent gear on my Rogue, on my Warrior.
	I got Death.
	Is it Deathbringer from Anyxia?
	I believe it's Deathbringer.
	You know, I was in the top rating guild.
	were speedrunning molten core bwl like we were we were monopolizing the world Bosses Azergos LORD Kazakh, Let me see what else.
	Oh when, when the nightmare dragons came out, the Emerald dragons, we were getting all the dragons too, and they spawned four at a time.
	So, like we were on, we were dominant on my World Of Warcraft PV.
	It was a PvP server too.
	We had a bunch of rank 14s that look.
	Okay, what I just said illustrates like, when you're talking about your achievements and your education.
	Let me say something else.
	Women don't care about my World Of Warcraft achievements in the same way that men don't care about.
	Okay, in order for me to like, have been like to be like uh uh, to get on Telemund, like Despierta Mérica, which is a huge show, which is a huge show.
	Men don't care about your status either.
	Men don't care about your status either.
	I had to audition five times and it's really hard to be a Spanish tv and, mind you, I was four years and you have to be.
	They put you in really tiny dresses.
	Men don't care about that.
	Wait no, you have to be a certain level of attractiveness to be on a Spanish tv show, because they like girls with, like in Miam, in Miami where like, there's like a lot of girls so that are extremely beautiful.
	I had to audition five times, so that also takes me to another level of like being, like I am this.
	So if you men don't care if you've been on Telemundo, some men do yes, really okay well, that's for you Brian, but other guys well, I know, i'm not saying I agree with her by any means, but I do have a question.
	Do you think Tom Brady cares?
	Oh, about his like, what like like?
	His ex-wife was a model.
	You know what I mean.
	Like in terms of like being beautiful and being on certain things like covers of magazines, like a lot of like really, really successful men they partner with like the most attractive, successful women.
	I think it reflects that's yeah yeah, that's a, that's a part of it.
	That's because when you move in that those sorts of circles 93 donated 99, sorry to cut off the party.
	Nikki, i'm 30 and fun of Nikki, you are the fire today.
	Just left biotech proud simp for you.
	Cue to the little boys in the chats hating, i'll dm you on it.
	Your pig is fire and i'd brag if that was my gf's page.
	Brian Vlm Based um, she's very beautiful.
	Okay, there you.
	Would this be the first, whatever marriage, I know right.
	Whatever marriage I love g, since we need to wrap up pretty soon.
	Uh, we do need to wrap up pretty soon um, But we'll go for a few more minutes.
	Which probably will turn out to be a little more because I do need to finish up a couple things before we wrap.
	You were asking me something.
	This is not my opinion by any means.
	I'm literally.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, when you're moving in those sorts of circles, you're going to be meeting both men and women that are of a certain status.
	But I mean, it's plausible.
	Would have Tom Brady still gone for her had she same beauty, but without the modeling alcoholes?
	And she's the same person that she was.
	Yeah.
	I assume so.
	I mean, same with Leonardo DiCaprio.
	It's like always high-status models.
	Oh, my God.
	AB check.
	Thank you for the 50, man.
	Appreciate it.
	That actually triggers a fit check.
	So what we're going to have everybody do, we're going to do a little fit check.
	You can tell us, you know, if you're wearing Gucci or Prada or whatever that thing is.
	She wins the fish more than the prize.
	Yeah, she's the most gorgeous idea.
	Are you Japanese?
	I'm Asian.
	Wow, that is cultural.
	Is it though?
	Is it?
	It was gifted to me by a Japanese person.
	Exactly.
	It was gifted to me by a Japanese person to be worn as aesthetically as I wanted to.
	I mean, but you're not Japanese.
	It's not cultural appropriation.
	It's not.
	Who started clothes?
	Then we're all appropriate.
	Also, this like fixation on cultural appropriation is pretty much existent in the West.
	But come back to Southeast Asia.
	We would love to see you in traditional barong, which is a traditional men's costume.
	So it's a different perspective there.
	just point of clarification this cultural appropriation term is a joke I think but okay let's do a stand up Let's do a little fit check, everybody.
	So I'm wearing my show pony.
	Whoa, whoops.
	If everyone can just stand up and show their fit.
	All right, there we go.
	We got the fit going here.
	Okay.
	The kimono, all right.
	Okay, culturally appropriating Madison.
	What about you?
	We got Madison here.
	Love it.
	All right.
	She's got, I don't know what you call those.
	Those are some genie pants or something.
	Is that what they're called?
	Genie pants?
	Genie pants.
	Yeah, I think so.
	They're classy.
	All right.
	Thank you, everybody.
	You can sit down.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Thank you.
	Was that AB check?
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, Tom Brady, Giselle.
	I mean, it's, you know, I don't know where we were at with that one.
	Did you have further follow-up?
	I mean, like I said, it's not my opinion.
	I'm just literally seeking to understand the full breadth of your statement that men don't care.
	I think some men care, like, where their woman is at.
	Like, I don't see Tom Brady dating a regular normal girl with no status, no fame, no money.
	Well, I mean, he also just got divorced.
	So there's from a supermodel.
	That was famous before they got together.
	Well, that's another reason not to get married.
	Look at all these hyper-successful, attractive people who are getting divorced.
	So if they can't keep a girl, what makes you think you can?
	Even when it comes to true divorce.
	Can't argue with that.
	So let's see.
	We have something from Si.
	Is that how you say your name?
	Yes.
	Cy.
	You said dating with a checklist.
	What did you mean by that?
	Oh, it's a topic I wanted to open up.
	Do you guys date with a checklist?
	What's your checklist?
	In mind?
	Wait, what?
	Do you guys date with a checklist in mind?
	Do you?
	Do you guys agree?
	Well, let's start with you.
	Do you have a checklist?
	I have an idea, not necessarily a checklist.
	Okay, let's start with physical traits and then let's talk about personality.
	Not so much physical traits, more on intellect.
	Intellect.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	He just has to be smart, but he can be can he be obese if you are smart, then in a way you care about yourself.
	Okay, I get it.
	Wait, what?
	If you're smart and you're self-aware, then obviously there's a part of you that cares about yourself, your health.
	That's not true.
	So you're not.
	Well, is it not if you're self-aware?
	Self-aware that something is wrong.
	There's different kinds of intellect, right?
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	It's like intellect more towards self-awareness.
	Are you trying to improve yourself?
	But I'm sure there's people with high IQs or who are very smart who are not.
	Yeah, that's why I'm specifying the kind of intellect I'm looking for.
	So, okay.
	So someone who's smart enough and in good health.
	In a self-aware mode.
	Because I was thinking like Christopher Hitchens was a very intelligent guy, but he was not a particularly healthy individual.
	But so that's it.
	Just smart and intelligent.
	That's why I said it's an idea.
	Because I was asking you guys, I'm pretty sure.
	It doesn't really matter.
	She's fighting.
	She's five feet.
	I'm five flat.
	Are you sure you're not 4'11 and 3/4?
	I'm sure.
	Don't worry about that.
	All right.
	Well, Nick, can you get a tape measure?
	Sure.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	What else?
	Any physical traits?
	Not so much, honestly.
	What about Dad Bod?
	Are you cool with Dad Bod?
	It doesn't matter, honestly.
	What?
	I can get behind Dad Bod.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, checklist, do you guys have a checklist?
	Yeah, I think as long as they're smart and they're kind.
	I really like kind people.
	Kind people.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I want a complete package.
	I want a complete package.
	I want them to look good.
	I want their height.
	I want them to be minimum six foot tall.
	I want them to be very intelligent, emotionally intelligent.
	I want them to be very kind.
	Wait, they have to be six feet?
	Six foot, at least.
	At least.
	How tall are you?
	Five, six.
	But I wear high heels all like most of the time.
	So and then my high heels are like crazy.
	So and then I want to feel taller.
	Okay.
	So I cannot like settle with my high heels.
	I'm kind of six feet minimum.
	That's like only 15% of men are over six feet.
	I know.
	You're kind of limiting your pool.
	I know.
	What if the guy is otherwise a great guy?
	He's just 5'10.
	I just don't know.
	I think maybe because my character is a little bit aggressive and a dominant, and then if they're shorter, and then I feel like I'm dominant in them completely.
	So that's it.
	You need an extra dominant guy because you're kind of in your masculine.
	Or you're dominant yourself.
	So you need a guy who's compensated in a way.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Where were we?
	Did you answer?
	I don't know.
	I answered.
	I don't really have a checklist right now.
	I'm just being open-minded.
	About the cow.
	Seriously, though, really, I really don't have a checklist right now.
	We were actually talking about this in the car on the way here that I'm kind of in a place right now where I'm starting to figure out what I want because I don't know right now.
	Okay.
	What is that?
	I'm done.
	That's it.
	Should I keep going around the table?
	Oh, check me out.
	Me?
	Not really.
	I just really look for compatibility, like attraction, obviously.
	And it'd be nice if he's better than me.
	Yeah.
	Wonderful.
	For me, not really.
	I think my checklist has also changed throughout time.
	When I was young, I was definitely a lot more ignorant.
	I don't think there was a checklist.
	There probably would be now if I was in kind of the dating world, but I am not.
	And if I were to be, I think the number one thing definitely would be faith, a man of faith, because I think that opens up a lot more realms that are important to me.
	So, yeah.
	Agreed.
	Yeah, definitely.
	He has to love Jesus.
	And that'll usually, you'll be a certain type of person.
	So someone who's honest, loyal, who values commitment, and who also wants a family.
	I need him to be smarter than me.
	Just very into being able to think critically and not just kind of blindly go with whatever is in front of him.
	And yeah, I mean, I'd like a tall guy.
	That'd be great.
	I kind of want him to be in shape.
	I try to be.
	Do you guys hear that thumping?
	Is that one of you guys?
	No, I'm sure it's.
	Yeah, guys, stop thumping, please.
	Yeah, no.
	I mean, physically, it's not, I had a really big crush on Prince Eric when I was a kid, but now I'm like, okay, he doesn't have to be dark hair and blue eyes anymore.
	As long as I find you attractive, like, that's totally fine.
	But someone who's like athletic, I can't have you just kind of be lazy and not work out because I want to do that for the rest of our lives.
	So someone who takes care of himself.
	Checklist?
	Yeah, somebody that's nice, sweet, funny, traditional values.
	Somebody that's old school like me.
	I gotta say that.
	Only some real descriptions.
	Nice.
	Old school.
	I like old school.
	All right.
	I've got a checklist.
	I've written it down.
	18 to 25.
	No, that's not.
	18 to 45.
	How about that?
	Dark hair.
	Keep in mind, these aren't, there's like deal breaker, deal maker, slight preference, strong preference.
	So I'm not going to, but I'd say slight preference for dark hair, slight preference, light eyes, but don't really, like, it's not like, oh, I've got, like, I date women with dark eyes.
	Prefer, probably a moderate pref, moderate, medium preference for short.
	The shorter the better.
	Large labia, the bigger the better.
	Soft-spoken, a little shy, a little introverted.
	Let's see.
	Soft, calming voice.
	Her parents made her do at least three years of violin or cello.
	That's important.
	Yeah, I want peace.
	Don't want like a really combative woman.
	Little or no makeup.
	Pretty strong preference for no plastic surgery.
	Let's see.
	19.
	Pleasant.
	No, I mean, like I said, I date women around my age.
	I date a bit older.
	That's a cute list.
	What if she plays the guitar instead of the chip?
	Wait, what was that?
	I said that's a cute list.
	I like it.
	Yeah, I'm kind of joking about the violin or cello thing, but yeah.
	And low body count would be good.
	Do you offer a low body count?
	Do I offer a low body count?
	I don't reveal my body count.
	So why should she then?
	What do you mean?
	Like, if that's what you're looking for, but like, are you going to tell her?
	Yeah, I would privately, if she asked, I would tell her what my body count is.
	But I don't think, as a guy, if you have a high body count, that you can only date women who have high body counts.
	I don't think it makes you a hypocrite.
	It would make you a hypocrite if you were to say women shouldn't have high body counts, but you contribute yourself to giving women a high body count.
	Although, well, can a guy contribute to a woman having a high body count?
	Because Sort of, sort of, but like as a guy, on an individual level, you're only one body.
	So, you know, you know what I mean?
	Now, as a guy, I think if you like play with a girl who is desirous of a long-term relationship and you like feign that you want something serious when really your intentions are to just sleep with her and then ghost her, then that's contributed.
	I would say that could contribute to another body a lot.
	But I don't think men should do that.
	Because, well, me personally, I have no interest in one night stands or sleeping with somebody once.
	But yeah, I don't think there's a double standard because I don't think in order for you to desire something in a partner that you yourself need to possess it.
	Isn't that kind of hypocritical, though?
	I don't think it's hypocritical because there's, I think that's just normal.
	So it's normal for guys to sleep around and speak into mic guys.
	So it's normal for guys to sleep around and then kind of require.
	I'm not saying it's normal.
	I do think there's differences when it comes to body count.
	I think men typically tend to care about it more, and I think women typically tend to care about it less.
	I'm perfectly, if a woman wants to date a guy who's a virgin, more power to you.
	That's a totally fine preference for a woman to have.
	I happen to think it's the case, though, that women don't have a strong preference for dating men who are virgins, like women who have previous sexual partners.
	I don't think that's a very strong preference for women.
	But I guess who's more likely to be a religious woman might be inclined to do that.
	But like, for example, you don't need to possess a trait to find it desirable in a partner.
	For example, a woman who is broke could be attracted to a guy who's rich.
	Need she also make as much money as him to be attracted to him because of his wealth?
	I don't think so.
	I think that's just normal.
	Same with humor.
	A woman need not be funny to be attracted to a guy who's funny.
	I'm not saying women can't be funny, but what I'm saying is there are plenty of women out there who probably aren't fun.
	Like, I would say if you ask, if you ask every single woman, would you like a guy who's funny?
	Every single woman's going to say, yes, I'd like a guy who's funny.
	I think a lot of people look for people that they don't have themselves too.
	Like, there's a lot of people that do that.
	Yeah, so I agree with that.
	Well, and I think it also comes down to instinct too, because one of the things that you're bringing up is also innate in men generally is that they don't want to be with a woman who has slept around.
	And it's not necessarily a rational fear, but it is in like all animals.
	That's like why when a male lion takes over a pride, he will often kill the young cubs of the other pride because men have kind of innate in them a fear of a woman bearing the child of another man.
	Yes, innate competition.
	And so that's one of the things that you're touching on is it may not matter as much to women, but it does matter to men.
	And there is a reason for that.
	It's kind of in their nature to some extent.
	Yeah, I mean, when it comes to body count, there's just another biological factor, and that comes down to paternity uncertainty.
	So a woman who's had a lot of sexual partners, and this is like on a, this is not always necessarily on a conscious cognitive level, but a woman who's promiscuous, at least previously, before the advent of birth control, a woman who is promiscuous, and let's say she gets pregnant, there's no way to guarantee who the father is.
	Paternity testing is something that came about in the 1980s.
	So back in the day, like, okay, let's say a woman has 10 husbands, and they're all sleeping with her.
	Who's the father?
	Prior to paternity testing, you don't know.
	Whereas if a woman gets pregnant, she knows.
	If a woman has 10, excuse me, if a man has 10 wives and they're loyal to him, you know who the father is.
	Or sorry, excuse me.
	The women know.
	Hold on.
	I'm losing.
	I feel like your arguments like collapsing in it.
	I'm getting away.
	I'm like, wait, let him finish.
	Let him finish.
	No, no, no, no.
	I got tongue-tied.
	So, okay, a woman who has ten husbands, right?
	Okay.
	You don't know who the father is.
	But a man who has 10 wives, and of course, assuming that the 10 wives are all loyal to him, you know who the father is in all instances.
	You know who the mother is, of course.
	The woman always knows who the mother is because you birthed the child.
	But men don't have that same just immediate knowledge.
	I don't want a man with 10 baby, like baby mamas.
	I'm going to be honest.
	I don't want that.
	Yeah, sure, but the difference is, is that as a guy, there's never going to be a question as to like, since women are the ones that give birth, there's never going to be an uncertainty about maternity.
	There's no such thing about, there's no such thing as maternity uncertainty.
	But for men, it's a very genuine fear that they could potentially be raising a child that they think is theirs that's not.
	That's pretty much the biggest L that a guy can take in his life is to raise a kid that you think is yours that's not.
	Yes.
	I understand that fear.
	That's not great.
	I guess I'm feeling good.
	I understand that.
	I guess I'm coming from the opposite perspective of like, I would feel really crappy if my husband said he was at work and he has a whole second family.
	Wait, you committed to me?
	Like, wait a minute, hold on.
	You have all of it.
	Like, I was listening to Usher on the way here, and I was listening to confessions one and two.
	And I'm like, if this, if my man made a song like this, like, you're so important to me, but I got my side chick pregnant.
	Sorry, she's keeping it.
	Like, wait, what?
	Hold on.
	And it's the same, the same idea of like you want your person to be committed to you.
	And I think that should go both ways.
	Go both ways.
	You know?
	Don't sleep around.
	It's not great for you.
	Sure.
	And certainly that could be a fear for women because there's certain financial ramifications if your husband has desired another, I don't know what the term is has kids with another woman because then his resources might be diverted and cannot be solely focused on, and I'm kind of coming at this from an evolutionary perspective, the survival of your family.
	However, it's different.
	Like that, that's a little different than like paternity fraud, where this man who potentially you're like, you're fucking with his ability to like, he thinks he's propagated his bloodline but like that's not his kid totally, so that's a lot of women do that.
	It's so wrong.
	What does the sleeping around means?
	Sleeping around yeah yeah, what does that mean?
	Like, how many it will call like, all of them, like what's a high body count?
	Yeah, what is it?
	It depends on your age, depends on how old you are.
	Yeah so, I don't know somebody my age 30, 40?
	Well, speaking of that, should we, let's, go around the table?
	What's everyone's body count?
	Not answering that, not answering that.
	I mean well yeah, you just brought it up so, so we haven't even rated ourselves yet.
	Yeah, we gotta do that, we gotta raid ourselves, we gotta do that and we're gonna wrap.
	We're gonna wrap 10 minutes.
	We're gonna wrap in 10 minutes.
	I'm not gonna talk about what is my body.
	Okay, you go first Brian, you go first.
	You go first.
	We'll start with you.
	Yeah, i'm gonna talk about.
	I'm gonna say, until I was 32 years old, I was only slept with one man in my life.
	So that's, that was my life until you were 32 yep, but you're now 42, so a lot can happen in a decade.
	Yeah, so that's what i'm saying.
	So what is a sleeping around means?
	If you're dating someone once a year, is that sleeping around?
	Is the you're dating someone once every two years, is that sleeping around?
	What is sleeping around means sleeping around with just being hanging in someone new every weekend, either either there being very short durations between sexual partners or sleeping with multiple people at the same time.
	So sleeping around, like if I I would say, if you're you have one new sexual partner I mean even less than this, but let's say, one new sexual partner a week I would say that's sleeping around.
	Also, if you have one person that you're sleeping with and you're sleeping with other people, that I would say that's sleeping around.
	So yeah okay, even if there's not crossover or there's not overlap, like you sleep with one guy for one week and then another guy for another week, even if there's no overlap, you can still be sleeping around.
	I typically tend to think of it, though if there is some overlap, that's more.
	So okay, body count I don't know, I don't sit and count them plus 10, plus wait.
	Can we stop?
	Can we stop thumping on the oh yes yes yes sorry, my downstairs.
	I date between one to two people per year, sometimes one to two per every two, three years okay.
	i only sleep with my serious boyfriends i've had three so three stop the cap You're a hoe if you answer the question.
	You're a hoe if you don't answer the question.
	So i'm not gonna answer.
	That's not true.
	That's not true.
	You can answer.
	Yeah, no judgment.
	This is a safe what's it called safe space?
	The chat's not ignoring the chat.
	Nobody's gonna skip.
	Nope, forget what I said about.
	No matter what I do, i'm gonna get called a barracks funny, even though i'm not and never have been.
	Uh plus ten, or i'm not answering.
	What about you?
	I've only been in monogamous relationships and i've never had one night stands.
	So that's, that's it.
	You've only what?
	I've only been in monogamous relationships and i've never had one night stand stand.
	Okay seven, i'm not saying oh okay, that's fine.
	What about you?
	Uh, three billion um, just kidding, that's private.
	So three billion um well, I think my parents are watching, so i'm gonna say over five under 15, just to be super careful.
	Sure, that's fair.
	Thanks, pass my dad's watching.
	There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
	I don't answer that question yet.
	All right, there you have it.
	There you have it.
	We do have something here from Mr. Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to write their looks on the scale of one to ten.
	We'll go around the table on this.
	Go ahead.
	Ten.
	Oh, into the mic, please.
	Ten.
	Six.
	I don't know if the camera was on you.
	One more time.
	Ten.
	Six.
	Yeah, I'd say six.
	Is it for the fit?
	Or like your physical appearance?
	It looks on the scale of one to ten.
	Oh, no.
	Who am I comparing it with, though?
	Just your own self-assessment of your own, however you, that makes it.
	It's hard because I would not go there.
	So I answer that.
	You can go there.
	I don't answer that.
	Sorry, you can go there.
	I don't have to.
	You don't have to.
	I don't want to.
	But you could.
	Yeah, I don't want to.
	You could go there.
	I don't want to.
	But you.
	You could.
	I already said no.
	Why is it being pushed when I've already said no?
	Okay, so you don't want to rate yourself?
	No.
	So are you a 10?
	How do you feel about yourself?
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	I think you think it's most about how to feel.
	No, yeah, exactly.
	So I feel happy.
	That's why I don't have the need to answer this.
	Like, you have to give me a parameter to compare myself with.
	Then I'm going to answer.
	Oh, so if I pull up a photo of a girl, you will make a comparison.
	Actually, hold on.
	I take that back.
	No, you cannot rescind yourself.
	I could.
	You cannot rescind.
	Why not?
	Why not?
	I could.
	I could retract it.
	Yeah.
	I could say no.
	Of course.
	You can do whatever you want.
	Yep.
	Kristen Kruek.
	Whatever.
	We'll move on.
	What about you?
	I'm not really sure.
	Maybe 6.5 or 7.
	I would say probably a 7 or an 8.
	There's always room for improvement.
	But I think I'm working on myself, doing a good job.
	Solid 7.8.
	7.
	8.
	Jesus Christ.
	She said 8.
	She said 8.
	I give myself a 6.
	Maybe 6.9 on a good day.
	I'll just say this.
	There's no tens at the table.
	Sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	But I think it's not about how you're going to judge me.
	It's about how I'm going to feel about myself.
	And even the whole world is going to come and tell me, oh, I think you're this, but it's about how I feel about myself.
	So I'm going to base it on that.
	Because if I sit here, I'm going to wait to see.
	Oh, you say, you said I'm five, you said I'm four, you said I'm three, I'm on a seven, then who am I?
	Is I'm waiting here to judge me.
	So like I think I'm not gonna wait and see who's gonna judge me.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, the whole ratings scale, though, it's not so much about, like, you can claim to be a five.
	Like, for example, I could claim to be a billionaire, but if my assets don't reflect that I'm a billionaire, I'm not, so there is some basis in reality.
	But you don't even know me.
	How can you tell me if I'm a 10?
	Well, it's not your personality.
	The question is specifically looks.
	So, I mean, I'm looking at you.
	You asked, and then you said, like, in general.
	It's just a little question.
	For the sake of time, I need to move on from that.
	But we have Alex P here, unless she has her cab.
	She's a veteran of foreign war, not a combat veteran.
	The cab is a badge that some get provided when they've been in an exchange of fire or some kind of combat action.
	And listen, the attack on me because I'm a military veteran, I just have this to say.
	Listen, I've never understood why somebody else in the military would dog or downput anybody else in the military.
	Like, if you were in the military, period, I'm proud of you no matter what you did or no matter what your career is.
	Whoever's commenting these things, I don't know my career.
	And things, I'm really proud of my military service.
	I got a lot out of it.
	I gave a lot.
	And if you're in the military, I love you and I love your service and I appreciate you and I'm not going to fight with you.
	All right, Alex P, there you have it.
	Mic drop.
	Yeah, just to finish reading, he said we can trash veterans if we are vets.
	We have the card.
	It's clear that the way Benjamin the Offender has communicated that he is probably a veteran for HR in the Army is still HR.
	It wasn't my only job, but I love HR.
	And even if you were in the military doing HR or mailroom or whatever, I'm proud of you.
	There you have it.
	Okay, we have Matthew Saturn.
	Hey, as a rancher in Texas, noted, LOL, the reason I asked is because men and women treat money very differently in a relationship, i.e., women own most of the debt in the states.
	The richest man of Babylon, wealth grows wherever men exert energy.
	Okay, Matthew Saturn, thank you for your very generous super chat.
	Buffy Vegas, Brian, on my contact ASAP.
	I have 57 million views.
	Would like to talk with you, bro.
	The DMs, bro, the DMs.
	This is true, the girl from Rocky IV.
	I'm 5'8 ⁇ .
	I'm here to tell you that led many men and I've made many men rich.
	It ain't the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.
	P.S., you're too old, too choosy.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you have it.
	Wow, they're out for blood tonight, guys.
	Okay.
	Then we have a chat here from JT.
	Nikki, I'm 30 and fun employed right now.
	Might apply to med school next year.
	Not positive yet.
	If that was my girlfriend's IG, I'd show that off to my boys in the heartbeat.
	JT, don't take anything down to the chat.
	Yes, I'm shamelessly a simp.
	Gross and balls, BLM.
	Yeah, I was about to say it's kind of simpy, bro.
	Come on, bro.
	Come on.
	Show off your girl to your boys?
	I don't know.
	I don't know about that.
	I believe in being discreet.
	Like, I'm not going to show my male friends.
	Look at my girlfriend.
	I don't know.
	That's kind of.
	She's totally real.
	She goes into school.
	Check out my girlfriend.
	I don't know.
	All right, but hey, teach there on JT.
	Appreciate your patronage.
	All right, we have Raven.
	It doesn't take skill to get on Telemundo.
	Ooh, it does take skill to have all of the world bosses on rotational farm status on the PvP server just saying, what's up?
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	What are those words?
	I don't know what a PvP is.
	We had them on.
	Player versus player.
	PvP.
	Player versus player.
	Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
	Yeah, of course, of course.
	Yeah, that thing.
	Sure.
	Yeah, yeah.
	PvP.
	No big deal.
	No big deal.
	Okay, that's it for the chats here.
	Let me get a couple last, oh my God.
	Okay.
	Let me get a few more things and then we're going to wrap.
	So, Aubrey, you had the story about you cheated on your high school boyfriend of five years.
	Tell us that story.
	Give us a plot synopsis on that.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Well, yes, this was, I graduated high school in 2016.
	We had been dating since we were in middle school.
	And then all the way throughout high school.
	That's why I kind of stuttered when you asked if it was my longest relationship because I actually think that one was a little longer.
	But yeah, anyways, we were each other's first in pretty much everything.
	He did finagle with another girl in a brief moment when our parents made us break up.
	And I think I always kind of just held that jealousy in my heart quite a bit.
	I was just really young and really immature.
	So we did, like I said, we were each other's first.
	He was mine in everything.
	And anyways, I was just kind of being pursued by this guy in high school who was a virgin.
	And he was like the only virgin in our high school at the time.
	And the girls really liked that.
	A lot of girls were really into this guy.
	And he just had it out for me for whatever reason.
	He despised my boyfriend.
	And I used to vent to him quite a lot when I was really young.
	And to this guy who was a virgin because he was my friend.
	And anyways, he just kind of pursued me to the point where ultimately I was just kind of put in a pretty weird situation right before I went off to college.
	And ultimately, I decided he point blank looked at me and told me that if I went to college without ever hooking up with him, that I would completely regret it.
	And I was 18 and super vulnerable.
	And I was like, all right, I guess I will.
	So we did.
	And I felt an extreme amount of shame for about a week or so.
	And after that, I actually told him.
	I told my boyfriend that I cheated on him right before we were about to move out to Hawaii together to go to school.
	And he ultimately drove away, said F you, and a lot of other nasty words.
	And that is the very summarized version.
	Loose pussy energy donated 19.
	Ryan, your tolerance for these bad faith, 304 Kappas is insane.
	They won't answer truthfully because they have had more bodies than the whole John Wick franchise, especially the one in back.
	Hell for all the ladies for wasting our time.
	Stop capping.
	Who's the one in the back?
	Kiki?
	Kiki.
	By the way, LPE, that's the equivalent of like small dick energy.
	It's like the.
	Yeah, big dick energy.
	Okay.
	Did you rather?
	Well, I did just see one comment.
	I did want to say that I know that I did say vulnerable, and I totally do take responsibility for what happened.
	I was just saying I was vulnerable because I was talking about how I was young, but I do completely take responsibility.
	That is why I ultimately told him because I was, you know, at a point mature enough to realize, okay, I'm maybe going to marry this guy one day and to sit here and commit vows to this man who I haven't been faithful to when he's been faithful to me made me feel really bad about myself.
	And so ultimately I knew that there was a chance I could lose a relationship or there was a chance he could maybe forgive me.
	And he didn't.
	And we have not been together since.
	So yeah, that's kind of my thing.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, totally.
	I definitely proud of you.
	Yeah, I never don't stand by once a cheater.
	Always a cheater.
	I think that's so silly.
	And anytime people say it, I'm like, oh my gosh, come on.
	And all the people in high school were cheating on each other anyways.
	I just had enough, you know, womanhood to tell them that I actually did it.
	Yeah, you're allowed to do it.
	I just want, you know, in case anybody's watching, I would like to point out, you know, this is a very busy thoroughfare.
	There are, even at all hours of the night, there are loud, as you just heard.
	There's a motorcycle that just passed by.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm just saying.
	Just saying.
	Okay, all right.
	Did you wrap up on your thing?
	Yeah, and basically he ended up taking it to Twitter.
	And I was from a very small topic.
	So you got exposed publicly.
	Oh, yeah, very, very exposed.
	Yeah, to like a whole nother level, to the point where it's still to this day, like people call me out about it.
	No, it doesn't hurt at all anymore, to be honest with you about it.
	Oh, yeah.
	Why are you still hungry?
	That's insane.
	I really couldn't tell you.
	But the guy I cheated on my high school boyfriend with, he was still getting called out years later.
	I haven't really talked to him either.
	I'd be curious to know if it still goes on.
	Oh, hold on.
	Okay, I have to redeem myself.
	I had no idea you'd be reading my $50 message from 40 minutes ago.
	Took a while.
	I thought it just went through unnoticed.
	To have it read out loud was so cringe and I'm mortified.
	Not actually simply just trolling the little boys in the chat.
	The only way you can redeem yourself, JT, is to have us pop a champagne bottle.
	Yeah, I was just going to say that.
	Just saying, JT.
	Just saying.
	I can't wait to simp over someone.
	Oh, yeah, dude.
	We're going to run the show, bro.
	Okay, so before we wrap any final thoughts from anybody, speak now forever, hold your peace if anybody has any last-minute thoughts.
	Oh, so now I just had to share that story and get suckered at the end.
	Seriously.
	We don't even get to pop champagne over it.
	I know.
	Oh, Osai Akiwara.
	I don't say his function.
	Akiwara's.
	Can you read this?
	Can you read this?
	Oh.
	Aikawara's kidasu.
	What is that?
	You're cute.
	Oh, okay.
	It's Japanese.
	Pretty?
	Kitty?
	Yeah.
	You're not Japanese.
	I'm not.
	Are you Chinese?
	Why are we doing this?
	asian no i'm just now i'm filipino Oh, Filipino.
	Okay.
	You speak Tagalog?
	Tagalog.
	Excuse me.
	Sorry.
	At least I know that it's Tagalog.
	Tagalog.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	All right.
	So any final thoughts here before we wrap it up?
	Wrap it up, box.
	Go ahead.
	To the guy who made the grimace joke about me, that was really funny.
	Oh.
	Wait, I want to see it now.
	Wait, is it, was it in the, like, a while back?
	Yeah, a long while.
	Oh, my gosh.
	You okay, Madison?
	Doing okay.
	We need to get Madison a back massage here.
	But, all right, so let me, let's see.
	I think there was one last thing.
	There was.
	Not everybody roast us.
	I do need to just thank our sponsor one more time.
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	Check him out, guys.
	As I said, upcoming music artist from Canada, very talented.
	Makes some great music.
	And of course, shout out to Chloe.
	Thank you guys.
	And the link for that is in the description.
	So, I feel like I had two more notes I really wanted to hit on really quick.
	Oh, we need to react to your dating profile.
	Let's pull that up really quick.
	And while Nick is getting that.
	Wait, Sai, you've been single for six years?
	Yes.
	I'm kidding.
	It's all good.
	It's all good.
	Wait, okay, we'll come back to the single.
	Okay, we'll come back to that.
	So this is Claudia.
	She so graciously, kindly provided her hinge prompts to us.
	Dating me is like dating diamonds.
	It's beautiful.
	I'm just saying.
	I applaud the Edward, beautiful.
	This is the skin of a killer, Bella.
	I'm a killer.
	I have no idea what the fuck that means, but okay.
	Dating me is like dating diamonds.
	Let's look before.
	Hold on, hold on.
	So cringe.
	You wrote it.
	I know.
	So it's a reference to Twilight, because I think Twilight is a daughter.
	A Twilight reference in a dating binder?
	Yeah.
	Edward.
	Edward.
	Yeah.
	How old is this reference?
	Wait, okay.
	Let's see the next one.
	Next one.
	Yeah.
	2011 or before, maybe?
	Be okay.
	The way to win me over is be funny, be romantic, be direct.
	I'm looking for a relationship, not casual.
	I don't get impressed.
	So just be yourself.
	Yeah.
	Let's see the next one.
	I go crazy for sweet, kind, smart gentleman.
	Yes, sir, I'm real.
	I'm Brazilian, Polish, Mexican.
	That is why I live in my swimming.
	Okay.
	I think the other two are the more interesting ones.
	But wait, pull up the first one again real quick.
	Dating Diamonds.
	Tell us about that.
	What?
	What do you mean, diamonds?
	Are you a dynamic?
	In the rough?
	I think so, yeah.
	Into the mic, please.
	Yeah, I think I am.
	I actually was doing it for the Twilight reference because I'm thinking that it's, I really liked the Twilight when I was younger.
	But then again, I just do think that you get a whole package with me.
	I really do believe that.
	I'm not saying that I'm the most beautiful, most intelligent.
	I don't believe that about myself.
	But when you date me, I feel like you get a person that will bring you peace.
	I don't react a lot.
	I feel like I know how to regulate my emotions and I feel like I know how to calm myself.
	I feel like I have good conversation.
	And my relationships so far have been really long for the most part.
	And if we've broken up, it's been because I was pursuing my career.
	I put my career first, but now I'm in a good place.
	So, I mean, yeah, I do think that that's what I bring to the table.
	And I am, you know, very loyal, very kind.
	And yeah, I think that that's the first things that I bring to the table.
	So, yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	Say, you've been single for six years.
	But, like, come on, there's been a guy in the picture in that six-year time period, right?
	What does that mean?
	Like, there's maybe, did you have a situationship in the past six years?
	I really, it's like, if I want to be in a relationship, then I'll be in a relationship.
	Oh, what?
	Oh, the set.
	No, no, no, sorry.
	Let's have, can one of the girls just ever so just kind of push it?
	Wait, where's Madison?
	Wait, Jesus Christ.
	I don't know, folks looking at that.
	Wait, what's up, Madison?
	It's not her better lay.
	It's nice and male.
	Bug, like a giant.
	Well, we'll see it next time.
	Six years.
	Come on, there's been some guy in the picture in six years.
	years of being single i'm only really when i am interested it would only be for a monogamous relationship When I get interested.
	So right now I'm not.
	I'm just chilling.
	Is it really that inconceivable?
	Because life could be so busy.
	Like you're trying to do something.
	It's not inconceivable, but a six-year period for nothing?
	It's not nothing.
	Maybe there was a guy who you dated for three months, right?
	Three months?
	Even if it was monogamous, but it was just three months.
	It wasn't like that.
	I only go long-term.
	What do you mean you only go long-term?
	You've never been with a guy and it only lasted like two or three months?
	No, it's always like two years.
	You're just amazing.
	No, I'm just like, I thought you had a thyroid problem.
	You would know how energy is so much of a thing.
	Yeah.
	So you can't just like be willingly spending it, just casually spending it.
	Wait, so are you copying out because of the thyroid thing?
	Am I copying?
	No, I'm just like very selective of where I put my energy.
	And I think that's fair.
	Can I ask because you don't have an interest in having children at all?
	Is dating just not a priority?
	See the thing is it's like I don't even go there about the children part, but it's like right now I'm doing something.
	I want to focus on that.
	Yeah, so no, I'm just wondering, so you full-fledged kind of just like focus on yourself.
	Like I guess leave children completely out of it.
	That's just kind of a main portion of what I'm asking though.
	Because that's not a priority.
	To procreate, you don't necessarily need a man.
	So it's just not a priority in your life to date right now, and that's why you've been single for six years.
	See, the thing is, the idea of having kids is not even there.
	It's like it's non-existent.
	So like, I don't know how else to put it.
	I'm just not interested to have kids.
	And that does not come into my dating profile or dating mind.
	Like once I get, once I want one, like a relationship relationship, then I'll do it.
	But I have time.
	Well, yeah, you can pursue relationships without the intention of having kids.
	Yeah.
	I guess I was just curious if that had something to do with it.
	Have you just not found someone that's cool?
	I'm not looking.
	Oh, you're not looking.
	Oh, so you don't really want a relationship?
	Not right now.
	That makes sense.
	Chill.
	If it happens, it happens.
	It's like there's a way where you're open and you're also doing your own shit.
	So you're not close.
	You're just not actively searching.
	That makes sense.
	Wait, can you speak some Tagalog for us?
	Okay, cool.
	What did you say?
	You just cursed me.
	It's sweet.
	Okay.
	Rock and roll.
	Okay, there you have it, folks.
	We're going to wrap up the show.
	So let me just double check.
	Oh, let's shout out Twitch really quick.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	If you have one, drop us a prime sub, drop us a follow.
	If you have one, hey, thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Yo, Moonshine, thank you for the prime.
	Finny, thank you for the prime.
	Big thing for the prime.
	Oh, I think I already read these.
	55, thank you for the tier three.
	Oh, tier three.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	You're awesome.
	Okay, cool.
	So, without further ado.
	Wait, what do we?
	I swear we're forgetting something.
	Videos?
	No, no, no.
	I think.
	No, we got everything.
	Okay, guys, we're going to wrap up the show.
	Guys, last call.
	Please hit that like button on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Really means the world.
	Thank you to the panel.
	Thank you to all our chat mods.
	Big thank you to Britt, who's helping with timestamps.
	Any women who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram, BD underscore Atlas.
	If you have a large labium, we're going to be live again Sunday, 7 p.m. Pacific.
	Guys, we'll see you next time.
	07's in the chat.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys, and we'll see you next time.
	Good night.
	Good night.

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