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Single Mom w/ Neck Tattoo Brings NOTHING To The Table?! | Dating Talk #90

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	I'm Keep.
	I'm 23, and I model and do OnlyFans and some acting.
	All right, welcome.
	My name is Linda.
	I'm an intuitive mindset coach, and I'm 36.
	I'm also studying to be a marriage and family therapist.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, my name is Jennif Fox.
	I'm 26 years old, and I'm a mattress actress.
	Are you actually 26?
	Yes.
	Because you kind of... I forget the years every...
	No, 26.
	Okay, what about you?
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, you're 27?
	I'm 27.
	I forgot.
	Okay, there we go.
	What about you?
	My name's Camilla.
	I'm 21, and I do OnlyFans.
	All right, welcome.
	My name's Caitlin.
	I also do OnlyFans, and I'm 21.
	Okay.
	My name's Carissa.
	I'm 21, and I'm a nursing student.
	My name is Kira.
	am 28 and any oh i'm an accounting manager All right.
	My name is Madison.
	I'm 18.
	I'm a student studying at e-commerce.
	Oh, fuck.
	Hold on, guys.
	We're getting some lag.
	It's pretty bad.
	Okay, I'm going to fix that.
	Hold tight here just a sec, guys.
	When you say lag, is it the FPS?
	Is it the frame rate?
	Hold on.
	Is it the FPS?
	Is it the frame rate?
	No sounds on guest one.
	Testing, testing.
	Oh, she wasn't close to the mic.
	Sorry, I might have been nervous.
	Yeah, no, no, no, no.
	I like this.
	I was going to tell you, but you like ended already.
	I'm anxious.
	Barely any lag.
	Some buffering.
	Jesus, Christian.
	Frame rate.
	Let's see.
	Good times.
	Welcome to the whatever podcast.
	There was always something.
	I'm going to try to fix it really quick.
	Give me one second, guys.
	What we are going to do, and Madison, maybe keep tabs on it.
	Current relationship status, single talking stage, situationship.
	Actually, fuck.
	Let's wait until I get back.
	Madison, take it away.
	Okay.
	I didn't finish, but I'm a student studying econ and accounting.
	I do the whatever podcast and I'm a host at a bar.
	I guess if you didn't hear me, I'm Keep.
	Yeah.
	Rigo, because you weren't close enough to the mic, so reintroduce yourself.
	Okay, hi again.
	I'm Keep.
	I'm 23, and I model, do OnlyFans, and some acting.
	Can you?
	Wait, is it Keep?
	Keep.
	Keep a verb.
	Oh, okay.
	My mom was a hippie, so.
	Oh, is that like your full name?
	Yeah, Keep Chambers.
	Oh, that's cute.
	Thanks.
	Come on, Madison.
	What?
	Fix your stream.
	Should I just do the relationship thing?
	Um, hello.
	Okay.
	What was your guys?
	Sorry.
	There was like one occupation.
	Wait, you said you stream.
	What do you do on Twitch?
	Do you do on Twitch?
	Games like GTA, Halo, Scary Games.
	And you do it with like other people.
	Mostly myself, but I had a friend coming on tonight.
	When did you start doing that?
	Maybe middle of last year.
	Nice.
	And you guys said you were filming earlier.
	What do you guys film?
	We film like interviews.
	With public interviews, we'll ask questions that promote our OnlyFans.
	Like basic public opinion, too.
	Like what kind of things would you be asking?
	Like, who do you believe has a heart in society?
	Men or women?
	What's the freakiest thing you've ever done?
	Are you subbed to Girls OnlyFans?
	Yes, who would you ever sub to My OnlyFans?
	Things like that.
	You guys do that together?
	Yeah, there's like a group of girls on separate platforms, but we go together at a school team.
	Do you fix it?
	It's like, I don't want to talk.
	They said one.
	All right.
	I've got some real fucking conversationalists here with me tonight.
	Okay.
	So current relationship status, single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult.
	How long have you been single if you're single?
	And your longest relationship, go ahead.
	My longest relationship was four years, and I've only had long-term relationships.
	I haven't really had many situationships, but I've tried, and it's just a hard dating pool out there.
	I live on Hawaii, so like there's not many people.
	You just see the same people.
	Every time you're on an app, you see them in the store if you scroll past them or whatever.
	So yeah, I've been trying, but I'm moving, so I'm not trying too hard.
	You're currently single, correct?
	Yeah.
	How long have you been single?
	For like three years since 2020.
	Three years.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I'm going to Texas soon, so I don't really want to start dating someone in Hawaii if I'm going to be moving.
	Aren't you moving to LA?
	No, I'm moving to Texas.
	Oh, you're moving to Texas?
	Okay.
	When are you moving?
	I'm aiming for fall, but I want to experience all of Hawaii that I haven't experienced yet.
	I'm going to do all the hikes I haven't done, do like OF TV out there and stuff, and show people great restaurants and beautiful views.
	What's your longest relationship?
	Four years.
	Four years, okay.
	When did you guys break up?
	Well, you said you were single for three years in your 20s, so was this like a high school relationship partially?
	Started in high school and then went on.
	So yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	My longest relationship was about four and a half years.
	I've been single.
	Really, I've been single for about three years.
	I did have a really short-term relationship a few months ago, but all of my relationships have been pretty long, so it's hard to count that one.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Single Pringle.
	Longest relationship, two years, and that was in 2018.
	How long have you been single?
	Since 2018.
	Okay, so I think four or five years?
	I believe so, yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Single.
	Longest relationship was two years, and I've been single for like a year now.
	So.
	Why did he dump you?
	Why did he dump me?
	I think I ended up, I ended it.
	I ended that.
	Oh, you ended it.
	Oh, okay.
	Excuse me.
	You ended it, okay.
	What about you?
	Currently single.
	My longest relationship was about almost two years, and that was about a year ago, almost a year ago.
	So it's been about a year in February.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I am in a relationship, and it is also my longest relationship of so far, two years and going.
	All right, got it.
	I'm currently single.
	I have been single for nine years, and my longest relationship was eight months.
	Longest relationship, eight months.
	Okay, got it.
	Madison, what about you?
	I'm currently not single.
	I am taken.
	My current relationship is my longest relationship.
	It's been 11 months.
	All right.
	Got it.
	Okay, so besides Madison and you over there, everyone here is single.
	So what does being single really mean, though?
	Because I mean, come on.
	For some of you who are single, there's a guy in the picture.
	No.
	Right?
	Come on.
	Yeah.
	You got a guy in the picture I know.
	And what do you mean by in the picture?
	What do you mean by in the picture?
	Yeah, I mean, yeah.
	It's not a situationship because it's like.
	We're just like.
	I think it's like pretty understood.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Just let it finish.
	We're like just hanging out, whatever, but it's like, I don't know.
	You're just hanging out.
	Yeah.
	How long have you been just hanging out with said individual?
	Probably like a month.
	So like, I don't know if I can take it seriously yet.
	It's not been that long.
	So that's why it's like not even made it to the situationship.
	It's not even the situation.
	What is it?
	Like, would you consider it talking stage?
	I guess.
	Okay.
	I don't like labels.
	Is he the only guy you're seeing?
	Yes.
	What about you?
	Yeah, no.
	no no guys right now don't really feel like i just don't want to answer the phone Oh, Brandon, thank you, man.
	Brandon Mills donated $200.
	It's your boy, Champagne Puppy.
	Let's start the donos and get some W's in the chat for Brian.
	Also, can I have a whatever t-shirt?
	Hey, Brandon, thank you, man.
	By the way, Brandon is in Santa Barbara, so we're gonna, we were gonna try to have him come by today, but just didn't work out.
	So Brandon will, right, I think.
	He'll be here on the Tuesday show.
	And yes, when you come by the studio, you can have a whatever t-shirt.
	So we'll see you on Tuesday, man.
	Thank you, Brandon, for that TTS.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Yeah, no, I just don't feel like entertaining anyone right now.
	I just feel like I'm pretty content.
	Content?
	Yeah.
	There's nobody, nothing.
	Not at all.
	Because you said that you've been single for like a year about.
	Yeah.
	I mean, but has in that year?
	I mean, you go out with people.
	I mean, you go on a date, but it doesn't mean you're going to do anything.
	It just kind of like a dinner.
	Okay.
	You know, it's not that big of a deal.
	It's just kind of like, yeah, I want to socialize today.
	You kind of can pick and choose.
	That's what we're doing.
	All right.
	So nothing.
	No.
	Zero.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	No, no men or women in my life.
	No, okay.
	Nobody.
	I'm finally taking a step for myself.
	So I feel like my whole life I've always been like a very relationship-oriented person.
	So I had the four-year relationship, and then after a year went by, I had another three-year relationship.
	So I'm finally like, okay, let me settle down and just not try to find myself more.
	So I'm taking myself on trips and going on a lot of girls' trips, out the country, seeing more cultures and not focusing on guys right now.
	Focusing on my work.
	Okay.
	What, lag?
	Nick, can you pull up the regular chat?
	What about you?
	You said you've been single for nine years.
	Can you tell us what's up?
	Ultimately, I'm waiting for you.
	Pop-up chat.
	I've had two situationships, you could call them, in between, but as of the past four years, I am not sexually active and I do not intend to be.
	And I'm ultimately going to be waiting for my husband.
	So nine years seems like a long time, but I have an ultimate goal at the end of it.
	Nick, can you get the pop-up chat?
	Yeah.
	And those two situationships that you had were they just ended because it wasn't what you were looking for in a husband or was it more casual?
	Ultimately, yeah.
	I'd say none of them were casual.
	I'd say that with the two situationships that I had, I definitely was in love with either man.
	But ultimately it was not God's plan.
	And the first one ended up getting sick and passed away.
	The second one, he was insecure.
	And I think we liked each other.
	I loved him.
	I don't know if he loved me back, but overall, it would have not worked out.
	And yeah, so that was.
	So you're a born-again virgin?
	Yes.
	Correct.
	I am.
	I am a born-again virgin.
	But you said, and when did you make this decision to be a born-again virgin?
	You could say officially four years ago.
	Prior to one incident, one night, I was not active like two or three years ago.
	Prior to the incident four years ago.
	So it's been a long time.
	Okay.
	So you were born-again virgin like seven years ago?
	Pretty much.
	Okay.
	Not technically, but pretty much, yeah.
	Okay.
	And so you want to wait until marriage?
	Yes, I do.
	Okay.
	And I'm not backing down this time.
	You're not backing down.
	No.
	What do you mean?
	You're not backing down this time.
	Meanwhile, are you talking about the situation four years ago?
	It was just a really hot dude.
	No, so the one night that I messed up the seven years, and now it's technically four, that was a very weak moment in my faith.
	And now my faith is much stronger, and I am ultimately waiting.
	Okay.
	So there's a commitment behind it this time that's actually real.
	So but was it so it was like a one-night stand?
	Yes.
	That one indiscretion?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So Cancun or what was the situation?
	It was in Australia.
	Okay.
	The Australian gentlemen, they're very strapping and charismatic.
	Okay, so was it an Australian guy?
	I will say though, I was pressured into it and I did not want to do it.
	But ultimately it was consent.
	So I have full responsibility for that.
	But yeah, I did not want to do it.
	But ultimately, it was my fault because I said yes in the end.
	I don't know if that's a rabbit hole I really want to go down, but you said, okay, so you consented.
	You said yes.
	Yes, yes.
	I asked you.
	But could this be a retrospective thing?
	Like, in the moment, you said yes, but obviously you faltered when it came to your commitment to waiting to being a born-again virgin.
	So I'm just trying to.
	Can you phrase that in a different way?
	Well.
	What are you trying to get at?
	You were pressured.
	You said you were pressured, but you said you also consented.
	Yes, he kept asking, like, I mean, we were always.
	We were obviously getting heated, but at the same time, I said, no, that's for my husband.
	We're not doing anything else.
	And I had a weak moment.
	My faith was not strong at that point in time.
	And I said yes.
	So there's not much more to it than that.
	It's just.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	Okay, so a couple of you said single.
	No guy in the picture.
	I'll take your words for it.
	Sort of, kind of, ish.
	I'm trying to think where we were.
	You're like a coach, correct?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	And so you coach women.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, I coach mostly women.
	I would say about 80% of my clients are women, 20% men.
	Okay.
	Do you have kids by chance?
	You have kids, correct?
	I do.
	I have a son.
	You have one son?
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	In your Instagram bios, it says a woman putting other women on game.
	What do you mean?
	Yeah, so there are a lot of women who aren't aware of the mind games that a lot of men play.
	And this isn't like a man versus woman, and I'm like all anti-men or anything.
	But because largely my clients come to me to be put on game, I just go down the rabbit hole of what red flags to avoid, what green flags to look out for.
	That's a huge conversation.
	But essentially, that's what I do.
	I would say I do for my male clients, I do somewhat the same.
	I can coach women really deeply because I am a woman and I do have that experience, but I can't go full-blown with a guy.
	At a certain point, I can maybe get him 70% of the way.
	At a certain point, I send him off to a male coach who can actually has that lived experience to take him deeper.
	I specialize in relationship coaching.
	People who are healing from narcissistic abuse, healing trauma, releasing obsessive overthinking patterns.
	Essentially, in short, what I do is I help people release a low vibrational life circumstances, which is a huge range of things, to transform their life and to put them in a higher frequency so that they can essentially have stronger discernment to attract better, whether it's purpose, whether it's relationships, whether it's.
	So is it general life coaching or kind of more framed from like dating related coaching?
	It's everything.
	I do relationships and regular lover life is so synced and everything affects everything else.
	So largely what I go really deeply with is people releasing low habits, obsessive overthinking patterns, strengthening their confidence and really ultimately strengthening their discernment, which naturally segues into relationships.
	So it's not just relationships, but it's mindset, which is...
	Okay, we'll come back to a couple of those things here.
	So a few of you have so kindly provided me some pre-show information.
	So I'm just going to ask a couple questions here.
	Keep.
	You say you wish dating was more honest.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So what about dating or relationships or whatever do you find to be dishonest?
	Is it on the men's part, the women's part, both?
	What's kind of your stance right there?
	It might be on both.
	I only know women's from my point of view and what friends tell me, so I don't really know how honest they are, but I know from my point of view, I try to be very honest and I'll end up in, not anymore because I'm trying to take a break from the apps and going out and meeting people.
	But when I was trying and seeking someone that I could be with, I'd be on the apps or I'd be meeting people in person and they would act like, oh, you're the only person I'm talking to and I just want to be with you.
	And I dropped all my hose.
	I don't know if I can say on here, but I dropped all my hose for you and everything.
	And then the next minute they wouldn't talk to me for a week.
	And then I would be like, okay, I'm going to go on another date.
	And then they'd see I was on a date and they'd get mad.
	They're like, well, you ghosted me for a week.
	I didn't think you were really into me.
	And they're like, no, I am.
	And then they would ghost again and then find out they were hooking up with like other people in the town and it's just too messy.
	I would rather people just be honest.
	If you just want to hook up with someone, just say you want to hook up.
	If you want more than that, say you want more than that.
	Was this in Hawaii?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So primarily dishonesty when it came to intentions.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, so these guys would say, I'm only talking to you, only got eyes for you, but in reality, they weren't.
	Yeah, and then if it was like, okay, if you want to date other people, I can too.
	And then I would try, and then they'd get really mad at me and like, how could you?
	How would you date someone else?
	And it's like, you're dating three other people.
	I just went on one date.
	And you said that you'd prefer if people were more upfront with their.
	So I think you said something along the lines of if they just want to hook up, they should say that.
	And if they want something serious, they should say that.
	Yeah, okay.
	That would be ideal, but that's not reality.
	I know, but it would be so easy.
	Don't most, I feel like most relationships start a bit more casual and then you continue seeing each other in a casual sort of way and then eventually you end up, you figure out, oh, we both kind of like each other, then you end up in a relationship.
	I guess, but all my relationships that started that way didn't really end well.
	So for the next one, I want to start as friends and then make them wait and wait and then see if they actually really want me and see if we really get along before I have casual relations with them.
	Wait, so start as friends.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Or even start with like a crush, but I'm still not going to jump into any romantic feelings right away.
	I think people, I think people naturally just like to play games with people, men and women.
	That's true.
	It's like a cat and mouse game.
	Okay, so you, when you say wait, do you mean wait to have sex?
	Kiss, have sex.
	Okay.
	I could cuddle, but.
	Cuddle, but wait to do.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It could work.
	It could work.
	I also feel like it's just like harder to just be friends with people, especially if you're finding them off of dating apps because the intention is not to just be friends, you know?
	Oh, I'm not just talking about dating apps.
	Yeah.
	I'm talking about like meeting people in person, friends of friends, or I don't know.
	I did fire dancing, so I'd meet some fire dancers sometimes that never really liked him enough to even consider casual before dating or anything, you know?
	Okay, so I mean, there's a couple things there.
	So you said in your past relationships, though, that you didn't, you typically wouldn't wait.
	Like you'd pretty early on get intimate, kiss, have sex, whatever it may be.
	Yeah, maybe within like, I still would make him wait like a week or so, but I feel like that might not have been long enough.
	I mean, I did date them for a long time, but the attachment, I think, happened a little bit too quickly than it should have.
	On your end or on the guy's end?
	On both ends, I think.
	I ended up breaking up with the relationships I was in because I eventually was just over it.
	And one relationship, I was being like the mother to someone, basically.
	Like, I paid for their rent, all their fun clothes, everything.
	But I'm not your mom.
	It's great.
	You get your own job.
	Okay, so you were a sugar mom.
	And I didn't want to.
	And he would make jokes about it.
	It would be out at dinner with friends.
	He'd be like, I love having a sugar mama when I'd have to pay for his meal because he was broke.
	I was like, that's not funny.
	It's not like a joke.
	I'm just helping you out.
	You do OnlyFans though, right?
	do how much oh a couple of you do kind of do you guys OFOF traditional content um you you can make some pretty good money doing that right and you how old was the guy that at the time when you were dating him He was the same age as me.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, were you out-earning him?
	Well, yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	But that's okay.
	I mean, I can out-earn someone, but I don't want to pay for your entire life.
	You know?
	Like, he had a job and then he quit his job to party and he would go out and drink with his friends while it was just kind of gross.
	How long were you dating him for?
	That one was two years.
	I had the four-year, and then I had one year, and then two years.
	So how long were you paying the rent and everything for?
	We moved in.
	He moved into my place because he got kicked out because he was living at a frat house and they threw a party and they got in trouble.
	And I was like, fine, you can come live with me.
	So I let him live with me for free when I was in this one condo, which was $5,000 a month for a one-bedroom, one bath, because Hawaii is ridiculous.
	And so I let him live there with me for free at first.
	And then we went to go rent another place, rented a house together.
	And he said he was going to pay for some of the rent or at least like maybe cook some food or do something and didn't do anything, just played video games, made a mess.
	Didn't, it was.
	Sounds like a legend.
	Sounds like a fucking legend.
	Okay, so out of curiosity for those of you who do OF, How much do you guys make?
	I think it varies.
	Let's say if you had that monthly average, if you have to average it over a year, per month or per year, you make six figures a year?
	Yeah.
	Seven figures a year?
	No, not seven figures a year.
	Mid six?
	I don't know if I should say.
	That's fine.
	IRS isn't watching or anything.
	Oh, they know how much I make.
	Yeah, they know.
	You pay your taxes.
	What's the most you made in one month?
	Six figures?
	Have you had the six-figure month?
	No, but close.
	Close.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	How much you making?
	On OF.
	I'm not going to disclose that.
	Top 0.001, whatever the fuck it is.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I'm not disclosing that.
	I'm legally not allowed to disclose that.
	You're legally not allowed?
	I'm legally bound.
	I give you permission to.
	Well, that's fine.
	But in any case, I mean, it sounds like you're probably out earning this guy.
	Yeah.
	It's okay.
	I mean, I don't mind doing that.
	Oh, bro, too soon.
	Thank you.
	That's awesome.
	Thank you, Harry.
	Anyways, who else do you know that drops this back to back to back to back to back?
	Tuesday is going to be lit.
	I said let's get some W's in the chat for Brixon hashtag popular shadow.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Damn, that's thank you so much, Brandon, for your patronage.
	That does trigger the champagne, so we'll do the champagne.
	Harry, if you can bring it over to me here.
	It's very nice.
	Does that mean we can drink some?
	What's that?
	Does that mean we can drink some champagne?
	Yes.
	Oh, did you unscrewed it?
	You had to pop it.
	I'm trying to remember that.
	I'm a little bit nervous.
	Can I do it?
	I know how to do it.
	Take an eye out.
	I fucking watched a YouTube video on how to do it.
	Don't give me a black eye.
	you like it just wrecks the screen Scary.
	Dude, what are you doing, Nick?
	Move.
	What the fuck?
	Are you retarded?
	Why would you stand directly in the line?
	Jesus Christ.
	You have to know how it feels once, I guess.
	Brandon Mels, thank you for the champagne bottle pop here.
	I don't know.
	We'll let the people serve as they'd like if you guys want any.
	Oh, fuck.
	I poured it pretty shittily.
	Shittily.
	I'm going to take that line.
	All right, poor.
	If you're above the age of 21, feel free to.
	No, I think I'm going to.
	Thank you, Brandon.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, did I drop the R word?
	Okay.
	Fuck it.
	Nick, you were standing right there, bro.
	I was trying to open the shit.
	Cheers.
	Cheers.
	I watched a YouTube instructional on how to open it, so I got it figured out.
	Okay, so I have a question.
	What's your question?
	So while you were dating this man, did you find that it was hard for you to respect him?
	At first, I respected him, but then it became like turned into resentment.
	And more, yeah, I started to not respect him as much.
	Yeah.
	And it felt like I was like a caregiver or mother, and I'm not old enough to be a caregiver or mother.
	I should be doing that on my own, taking care of myself before I'm taking care of someone else yet.
	So at first, it was like, no, I understand.
	Like, he was still in college, but then he dropped out of college.
	He had a job, but then he quit his job.
	So at first, I was like, you're still trying, so it's okay.
	I'll help you out.
	Like, help you meet ends and whatever you need.
	Then it just became like he wasn't trying anymore and was just backpacking off of whatever he could get from me and what I would provide.
	Do you think that with you having kind of the upper hand on a lot of things that it changed like maybe the attraction or like probably dynamics of your relationship?
	Yeah, he got way clingier, more dominant in it.
	Yeah, he got way clingier than he was beforehand because I think he saw me kind of drifting away and not feeling fulfilled as much.
	And so he got extra clingy and I was more distant and not really sure if I was feeling the same anymore.
	So it just kind of like kept pushing and pushing away until it was like, I no longer have love for you at least.
	Like I, you're not the same person that I was dating.
	So okay, to go back, you said that in your previous situations you didn't really wait.
	Maybe you'd wait like a week or something, but now you want to wait longer periods of time.
	When you say like wait longer, what do you mean like three months, six months?
	What do we start out as friends, whatever?
	I mean, if it starts off with like with the attraction and the idea of I could date this person, then I want to go on multiple dates, maybe after a month or so, month or two.
	But that depends on how much time you spend together.
	Like if you're only hanging out like once a week, then that time will be longer.
	But if we're hanging out like every single day, it's going to feel like a lot longer.
	Get to know someone way quicker if you're spending every moment with them.
	Okay.
	What if I told you that guys would feel I don't know if disrespect is the right word, but a lot of guys would take issue with like, for example, say two weeks ago, you hooked up with a guy the first night you met him, and then you meet the guy and you're like, oh, I want to have a relationship with this guy.
	And then you're like, I'm going to make him wait three months.
	A lot of guys are going to see that.
	If they know that you've had a different standard beforehand, they're going to be like, they're going to have an issue with it.
	My standard was not that far off.
	I think I mean also not just like sleep right away.
	I also mean like I moved in with the people I was with like a month into dating, two months into dating.
	My new rule was like, let me date you for like a year before we get a place together because it's just too much too soon.
	I wouldn't just say just sleeping with someone.
	Also, I wouldn't be in that situation because I do not have one night stands and haven't had one night stand since maybe high school.
	So I don't think that situation would ever come up anyway.
	Okay.
	Well, let's go around the table on this.
	How long do you guys think you should wait before having sex with somebody new?
	We'll just start with you if you want to reiterate.
	I'm down to wait like three weeks, three, four, depending on how often we're hanging out and how much I'm into.
	Okay.
	I don't like a blanket exact timeframe or date.
	I really think it's about feeling out the person, but I do not encourage any of my clients to have sex too earlier if they're not ready or they're not feeling comfortable.
	As far as like actually getting into a relationship, one thing I do know as far as like timeframes that seem to work out pretty close in line across the board is like if he's not committed into a relationship within like two, three months maximum, he's just not going to.
	There are always exceptions to the rule, but never assume that you're one.
	So as far as like having sex, I can't put a time frame on it.
	It's really how often are you communicating with them?
	Is this man consistent?
	Is he clearly initiating?
	Is he clearly pursuing?
	Just properly vetting him is the best advice that I could give.
	it's really hard to just give a blanket statement without knowing the person, knowing how much they're talking, and knowing what that woman specifically is really dealing with.
	Okay.
	Kinda, like she said, I don't put a time frame on it.
	If I'm really into you and I want to have sex, we're going to have sex, basically.
	And if you fuck me and then leave and you weren't ready for a relationship, that's fine too.
	You weren't ready for it.
	So I'm not going to pressure you into anything.
	Yeah, I kind of feel that.
	I feel like it's just about the connection.
	I don't think you necessarily have to put like a time stamp on it because even if it's like three months down the line, you're not feeling it, you're just not feeling it.
	So it's just kind of whenever the sexual tension and things like that.
	Sure.
	That's what I was going to say was it depends on the tension.
	I like to wait until the tension really, really builds.
	That could be a month, that can be two months, that can be three months.
	Whenever that tension is, you can't ignore it, then that's when it's a bit different.
	What do you guys mean by tension?
	Like wait till you can't wait anymore where you're like begging.
	You're like, oh my gosh, it's been too long.
	Just kiss me, take me right now.
	Like sometimes it's just like, you get teased with cuddles and whatever and nice dates and flowers or whatever for so long until you're like, some like temptation type thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure.
	I guess you could say that.
	So with the current guy that you're seeing now, how long did you wait with him?
	We haven't had sex yet.
	Are you guys having that sex?
	Been about a month.
	Yeah, we're going on a month.
	A month?
	How many times have you hung out, though?
	Pretty often.
	Because it can vary.
	Like, you know, you could be seeing someone for a month and hang out two times, or you could be seeing someone for two weeks and hung out like three or four times a week, you know?
	Yeah, I'd say three, four times a week.
	Three or four times a week?
	And has he just not gone for it, or you're kind of... I kind of, yeah.
	Hold on.
	I make it kind of hard so it's like if he really does.
	Stop the cap.
	Nick, can you boost the audio a little bit?
	If he really does pursue that, then I'm like, okay.
	So he wants it, but you said no?
	Like, you guys are just waiting.
	Yeah.
	You're waiting?
	Yeah, I'm waiting.
	Well, we're both waiting until like I know that he's sure and then I know that I'm sure as well.
	It sounds like he's respecting you too and that's the decision, which is really beautiful and not always that common.
	Some guys are like, well, I'm not going to get it, then buy.
	Yeah, no.
	If they can actually wait and respect, like if you want to wait, that just kind of shows the character.
	Is that disrespectful for a guy to say, well, if you don't want to have sex with me, then we're on a different timeline.
	Goodbye.
	If not, if that's not what they want, if that's what I'm saying, because earlier you said, well, you wish that guys could be upfront about what they want.
	Isn't that a guy being upfront about what?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but if it's like come to a time and he's like, okay, it's been too long.
	And she said, well, I told you already I wanted to wait.
	And if he's already had it, then that's still him.
	But don't be push it.
	And I've had to tell me, like, I'm just a very touchy person.
	I'm a sexually active person.
	And I'm like, okay, well, then you're just not a person for me, if that makes sense.
	Okay.
	So is it, you've been seeing him a month?
	Almost Okay, what about you?
	Till marriage.
	You're waiting till marriage?
	Yeah.
	Have you had anything before?
	No.
	Okay, so you and your boyfriend, you're waiting until marriage?
	Correct.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	I am waiting till marriage as well.
	So I think that the best thing to do is to wait till marriage.
	I think that when you have it too soon, you kind of risk the relationship.
	I think there's a certain amount of respect that comes with having to wait.
	I think that as a woman, one thing for me, if I can know that he is willing to wait for me and not just wait for me, but wait till our wedding night, then I know that he is in for the long haul and I know how he feels about me.
	So I mean, it's not even just about my faith.
	It's ultimately about if I want to give this relationship the absolute best chance that I can, then I think that we have to establish some kind of foundation.
	And I think that ultimately I think that waiting till marriage is what people should do.
	It's obviously not what I actually did.
	But of course there's always, you know, there's always regrets.
	And so yeah.
	I have a question.
	My stance on it.
	Do you expect the man to be to have the same mentality?
	Like to wait for marriage as well?
	Yes, I do.
	Okay, and I will not pursue anyone who...
	So will you pursue someone that has had sex before?
	Yes.
	Okay, so there has to be a virgin.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And how long are you waiting to like if there was a time frame, like you're going to be engaged for a year, you want to date for three years?
	Like, what does that look like?
	I think that's a good question.
	To be honest, I'm not entirely sure.
	It ultimately kind of just depends on, I think the person.
	I don't know if I have met him yet, but when I meet him, I know that I'll know because of how, you know, how he respects me and how ultimately his faith comes first.
	And if his faith comes first as well, if he is ultimately submitted to God, then I'm able to submit to him and we're able to wait for each other.
	Got it.
	Good question.
	So do you think if he wants to have sex with you, it's kind of like disrespectful?
	Would you take that the wrong way?
	No, no.
	I mean, I would want him, you know, I would want him to want to have sex with me, but I would want him to wait.
	I would want him to have the self, you know, control and the willpower to be able to hold off because I think there's a certain amount of respect.
	There's a certain amount of value in something that you have to wait for it, you know?
	It's like a pearl.
	It takes a long time for that pearl to become something and it's inside of a clam and it's not until you open it.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, good.
	Is it a very priceless thing?
	Is it vaginal penetration that you would consider sex or is oral sex still on the table?
	I always wondered that.
	So that's a very good question.
	Like would you go down on him before you married him?
	Or let him go down?
	I've thought about that, no, no.
	I have thought about that question in my mind.
	Would or would I not allow that?
	And at one point, I might have.
	And at this point, I do not think I would.
	I have a twofer.
	Did you, in fact, no, I would not.
	Okay.
	Oh, sorry.
	Did you come to this conclusion?
	Like, did you find God after the situation happened with the Australian guy?
	Or did you already have this in?
	Like, is it your religion?
	Oh, did you just find God and decide this is the path you want to go down?
	Very good question.
	So I have always been a Christian.
	It's, you know, there's been certain points in my life where my faith has very much slacked.
	And then there's been times when it's picked up.
	But overall, God has always been constant in my life.
	And he is the number one thing.
	There's nothing else that I would ever do that I think, like, I, at this point in my life, I'm not going to choose just any man.
	I can't, because I know exactly what it is who I want.
	And whether or not I find him is not really up to me.
	It's ultimately up to God.
	And can you repeat your question?
	I just want to make sure I'm targeting.
	You can move on.
	I have another question.
	Okay, Jake.
	I have an additional question though.
	Like about would you consider oral sex also saving yourself from marriage something?
	But like you said, you're saving yourself from marriage too, right?
	Like what would the definition of that be?
	Like just nothing sexual at all?
	Soaking.
	Mormons can do that, right?
	Is that a thing?
	I don't even know what that is.
	It's a thing, but like...
	Oh, you used to be Mormon.
	That's not even...
	No, but I just would do it for fun.
	I'd have an excellent Mormon parent.
	I'd be like, can you just put it in and we can fall asleep like that?
	Soaking it.
	It is so fun.
	It didn't always end up working, but maybe twice.
	What position is that?
	Nice and peaceful.
	Cuddling.
	Cuddling.
	No, just like spooning.
	Spooning, cuddling.
	Could we just fall asleep with it in?
	You gotta try it.
	It's like soaking it.
	Unsawn it.
	No, it's work hard and then it slowly gets swamped.
	Imagine it just like falls out.
	You know, it's really intimate and kind of cute, but it honestly doesn't always last like that.
	Cute.
	Spooning with a dickhead.
	Cute?
	Yeah.
	But then it doesn't always end up as just soaking.
	I think it's like Kegel's kind of like trying to get it.
	Soaking is like putting it in and letting it sit there while someone else is like shaking the button to do that.
	I feel like that's a little bit different.
	It's different.
	I don't know about that.
	It's different.
	And then we would just use soaking as a term for when we wanted to do it.
	Be like, should we soak?
	Soaking is bullshit, though.
	I think it's still having sex.
	It's still having sex.
	Sloops on headballs is kind of silly.
	I don't know.
	Let them have it.
	They need a win.
	Let them have that win.
	Definitely counts.
	You had a question for Maddie.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, well, I already asked her.
	I just wanted to know what it meant to you.
	Yeah, it's just anything that involves lust.
	And so I would include anything that's sexually immoral.
	And so that would include oral sex, anal sex, like all of that.
	Oh, God damn.
	Okay.
	All right, there you have it, folks.
	So just going back to the whole like, how long should you wait thing?
	Who here has had a one-night stand?
	Or excuse me, let me clarify.
	Because one night stand means something kind of very specific.
	Have you ever slept with someone?
	Maybe the first time ever meeting them?
	Show of hands?
	Bro, you guys are full of shit.
	Come on.
	I mean, once that.
	Well, yeah, but I mean that like more like with a civilian, let's say.
	Absolutely not.
	First time meeting.
	Absolutely not.
	I'm too scared of that.
	I get tested.
	Yeah.
	Come on.
	No.
	SCDs, or they could be a serial killer.
	They could be, as a woman, it's kind of scary.
	I don't want to.
	No.
	None of you've been at a party or a club and you met me.
	Making out.
	My friends won't let me.
	But no.
	I'm always with my girlfriends when they wouldn't.
	Stop the cow.
	I'm calling cows.
	Sadass series.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	The other thing, Keep, that you had, I wish I could just meet someone in the park or coffee shop like a fairy tale.
	But I know real life isn't like that.
	Yeah, don't, y'all.
	Just the idea of like sitting there like studying or like on a video or doing something on your phone, drinking a coffee and someone comes by and just like starts up some banter.
	Like that's just like the classic movie trope that of course like a Harmock movie and all that.
	It's ideal, but I know it's not realistic.
	Show of hands.
	Who here would prefer to meet someone organically like in person instead of like a dating app or social media, Instagram?
	You know, the meet cute or whatever the fuck it's called.
	They come to you up to you at Trader Joe's or Trader Joe's.
	I love Tradem Joe's.
	Trader Hook Joe.
	Is that where you met your creative guy?
	Or did I?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Well, just to, okay, I'm going to come back to that really quick.
	I do want to ask, because I forgot to ask this earlier.
	Those of you who do OF, you, you, you, you, what kind of, you don't have to be specific, but do you do solo content, GG, BG, so girl, girl, boy, girl?
	I do solo content, and I've done a video with an X before.
	I just won.
	Okay.
	And if I do ones with girls, it's not like girl-girl content.
	It's more like, ooh, jump around, they're boobies or something.
	Sure.
	Not like hardcore intense stuff, really.
	But you have done one or some BG content with an X?
	Yeah.
	I've done a couple of ones.
	What about you?
	I'm full on.
	Full on?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Solo, girl, girl.
	I haven't done boy girl, but girl, girl for sure.
	Solo, completely solo.
	Any BG?
	No, BG?
	No.
	Okay, coming back to you.
	So you were given quite a head nod there.
	So what are we talking about?
	Well, I come from the porn world.
	But, I mean, were you doing one-on-one scenes with men?
	Were you doing group, like, orgy type stuff?
	Everybody.
	What's the biggest group scene you've done?
	I've blown 15 guys.
	Nice.
	All right.
	In one sitting.
	Along!
	That's crazy.
	Is that what they call a Bukaki?
	Yes.
	Blow bang Bukaki.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So 15 is the most.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	DP?
	15 is the most guys, but I've done 16 in an orgy as far as like men and women.
	Okay.
	Deep DP?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	It's an hour.
	Only use one hole.
	Huh?
	Only use two holes, actually, mouth and pus.
	Good to know.
	Have I been in the 15-16 girl orgy before?
	I forgot I did.
	All girls.
	All girls.
	Okay.
	A bunch of girls.
	Very fun.
	We've done it twice.
	The first time was only a few.
	The first time it was 15.
	Okay.
	And so just to bring it back to your thing, and maybe show of hands also from the girls, you said that I wish I could just meet someone in the park or coffee shop like a fairy tale, but I know real life isn't like that.
	Show of hands, who agrees with that?
	I think most of you said...
	Wait, what was the question?
	Would you prefer to meet someone organically, kind of more like meet cute, meet in a park, coffee shop, whatever?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, for you guys specifically, don't you think that the fairy tale thing would be for a guy to not meet a girl who's done sex work?
	No, this isn't like Cinderella or anything.
	It's real life.
	Like, at least if you're honest about it and they have a problem with it, then that's fine too.
	They have a problem with it.
	But if they don't.
	What kind of man do you think would want that?
	I'm just curious.
	I haven't dated a man since freshman year in high school and there's countless of them in my DMs asking to take me out.
	They know what I do.
	But do you think that they would want to marry someone like that?
	I don't want to marry anybody.
	I don't want to marry anybody.
	Yeah.
	I don't even want children if that was like the next part of that.
	I've never met a single person who didn't care, like who cared, I guess.
	I've never met a single man who's cared about it.
	None of my exes cared.
	The people that I've tried dating before or gone on dates before, none of them cared.
	They all supported it.
	They had no issues with it whatsoever.
	They said if it empowers you and if you're making money and you're supporting your family, which I do with my money, I have very struggling parents, so I support my parents with my money.
	I'm very upfront about it.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yeah, very upfront.
	Has a guy ever lied to you to get laid?
	Or do you think men have ever lied to you to get laid?
	In what way?
	Because I don't let just anyone have to do it.
	I mean, I'm a guy and I know men frequently will lie to get laid.
	So they'll gas you up.
	No, babe.
	It doesn't matter.
	No, I really strongly don't think so.
	So I've honestly never had those questions either.
	I've never questioned it once because if I did and I could tell that they weren't being honest, I feel like I have a pretty good radar and I just wouldn't let them.
	I wouldn't.
	Sure.
	Well, okay, before I continue on with that thread for a little bit, why can't, you know, you often, I mean, you said that you'd like to meet someone in the park or coffee shop.
	What is stopping you from going up to a guy?
	I'm shy, I guess.
	Okay.
	And I also am like submissive and shy.
	So I would if I could, and sometimes I'll like have a couple drinks or like I'll have a cocktail and I'll be like, go up to someone and say they're cute, get their number, talk on Instagram for a little bit, and then I won't really follow through because I don't know, things come up or whatever, but I'm more shy.
	That's the only reason.
	So if I have someone that can come up and talk to me and start some banter and chat with me and I enjoy it and they get my number, then even better because then in the future, if I'm too shy to make a move or whatever, then they can take the reins, I guess.
	Okay.
	It's just me.
	Anybody else here?
	Would you, maybe you want someone to approach you in the Trader Joe's park coffee shop?
	Would you go up?
	Have you gone up to a guy?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	It's not that hard these days.
	No, it's really not.
	It's as simple as just simply just, you're really attractive and that's it.
	Like, it doesn't have to be like a lot of guys will, specifically guys, will come up and be like, you're really attractive.
	Like, can I get your number?
	It doesn't have to be like that.
	It has to be, I have more respect for a guy if he's just like, I just want to let you know you're really pretty.
	I'm like, okay, thank you.
	And they walk away.
	That says so much more than a guy being like, let me get your snap.
	Like, that's so ugly.
	Because guys can be.
	At least that's my name.
	Like, if they talk to me, so you want to meet a guy in public organically, but you also want him to just compliment you and walk away and never talk to you again.
	That leads to something.
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	Have you ever been in a major city?
	You never see people.
	Yeah, it happens, and it also doesn't happen.
	It could lead to like a and I approach a girl somewhere.
	Like I'm never seeing her again unless I get her contact info.
	Yeah, that's so disappointing when like a really attractive guy, where you don't even know if they're cool or not comes over and they compliment you and then you don't hear from them and it's like, wait, didn't get your information.
	I'll never see that person again.
	It's kind of a bummer.
	It feels good.
	You're like, oh, I just got a compliment.
	But then you look back and you're like, what if they were really cool and we could have hit it off?
	I mean, there are also situations where the only time I've really hit on a guy is if like, he's my waiter and I just leave my number.
	Or like, it doesn't need to be super in your face.
	Like, it can just be like, hey, like, I thought you were really good looking.
	Like, here's my number.
	Text me.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Simple as that.
	It doesn't need to be.
	Some women do it, but it's pretty rare.
	Yeah, I've definitely done it a couple times.
	Women are more confident now though.
	Yeah, I've definitely done it a couple times.
	Okay.
	So I don't do it.
	And I don't advise that people do it if they're if you're looking for so it can go deep.
	For me personally and a lot of the women that I coach, like we all have masculine and feminine energy within us, but me personally, like I'm more of a core feminine energy, especially in relationship.
	So essentially, masculine energy is more of the initiator.
	And at most, I would like look in a guy's direction and smile.
	And if he doesn't initiate and come converse, then that's okay.
	Then it's nothing's going to come of it.
	But I personally don't initiate.
	It's not that I'm not comfortable doing it.
	I'm just not going to because you have no idea what are they single?
	Are they married?
	Are they taken?
	Are they really truly interested in anything more than sex?
	All those things you just listed are things that men would face too in the scenario where they would approach.
	Yes, of course.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's not a very good reason to not approach then.
	Yeah, I think women should be a little bit more cautious in general.
	And this is a blanket statement because we have all gender spectrums, we have all sexualities, but just for sake and ease of conversation as far as straight, I'm going to just use straight male, female example.
	We can switch it up a little bit more.
	But I just I feel like a lot of women have been in a situation like her and I have been in the past too where you're with a guy and it may start out initially okay and a little the reciprocity is there, but over time you get more in your masculine energy and he gets more in his feminine energy and he's sloughing.
	This is just her example was a little bit a good extreme example of sloughing off on the bills.
	Or maybe he's playing video games or maybe he wants you to be the breadwinner and there's nothing wrong with the roles being reversed.
	But I think in general it's best if you are wanting a man who is a bit more in his masculine energy of provider protector initiator, then I think it's best to just start out from day one.
	Typically, relationships end how they start.
	So if you're the initiator, it oftentimes is with a man who's more in his unbalanced feminine energy.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	There are those situations that are reality, but I just don't think that they are the norm.
	Kind of depends on what you're looking for, but because I've spoken to so many women and they're wanting more of that man to be in his core masculine energy, which does not mean like he's hugely in his masculine energy and you have to be submissive and just do whatever he says.
	It's more of a balance.
	Maybe I know this may sound a bit robotic, but like just for sake of explaining it.
	Oh, like I would consider myself 60 70% more in my feminine energy and I'm looking for somebody who's 60 70% more in their masculine energy because I think over the long term that can go the distance and not in a codependent way where the woman is extremely in her feminine energy and the man is extremely in his masculine energy or vice versa and there's control dynamics at play and it's not a robotic like 50 50 either.
	So that's just me, it's just what I said.
	You had something go ahead yeah, so would you call like a man who's just shy feminine Because that's not in his natural, like it's just not in his personality to initiate.
	I just feel like some men are just a little bit more, you know, conservative and they just keep to themselves, but I don't feel like that makes them feminine.
	And I feel like, you know what I mean?
	That's just my question.
	Yeah, I don't have, I really just stray hugely away from blanket statements.
	Masculine isn't just like, oh, masculine, and like, feminine is just dainty either.
	It's not really quiet.
	If he's a bit more hesitant to initiate, you could say he either is all dependent.
	He either is essentially meant to match with a woman who is more comfortable and wants to stay more in her masculine energy and is just more that dominant role, or maybe more of a 50-50 type of relationship, which in my personal opinion is rare.
	And so no, I wouldn't like just, I wouldn't shame him or like even say that he's necessarily feminine.
	No.
	But if he is looking to be in his masculine energy more so and have a partner that is a bit more in her feminine energy, then it's, I mean, that's something that has to grow and evolve within him, I would say.
	Thank you.
	Okay, so to bring it back here, we were talking about the, what was it, the freaking, wait, hold on.
	A lot of things.
	Oh, meeting someone in public, blah, blah, blah.
	Okay.
	What you were saying that you haven't encountered like any guys at all who've had any issue with you doing adult content?
	No.
	I haven't had a single one.
	I think one of my exes, he didn't have any problem with me doing content.
	He just didn't want me to film with other guys or film explicit with other girls.
	And I respected that and didn't do it when I was with him.
	And then I dated someone who was like, do whatever you want.
	I still didn't want to film with other guys, but I would do things with girls.
	And he was like, I know you're not attracted to girls in that way.
	So do your thing.
	And there's definitely, I think, a subset of men that when it comes to shorter-term relationships or even like a relation, like long-term relationship, they're okay with it.
	And maybe some of you don't want this, but I've definitely heard from a lot of men that when it comes to like marriage, having kids, that's when the problem really manifests itself.
	You guys are all very attractive.
	I'm sure you have no problem finding men to sleep with or even have relationships with.
	I went long term.
	I went long term.
	And I also plan to hopefully retire before I have kids and get married.
	And by that time, I won't be doing this anymore.
	And I'll be able to have passive income from whether it's like houses or real estate or something that I can invest in.
	So I don't have to do this forever.
	But right now I enjoy what I'm doing.
	It's taking me to beautiful places.
	I'm seeing parts of the country I've never seen before.
	I'm supporting family.
	I'm supporting myself and supporting the future that I plan to have.
	Sure, I mean, everyone I've been with has seen it that way.
	Yeah, and I'm sure it's been very financially rewarding.
	Don't shoot the messenger here, but there's definitely a pretty substantial subset of men that when it comes to long-term relationships, marriage, and having kids, like it's kind of a sub-optimal choice to pick someone who has their nudes on the internet.
	Maybe rephrase the question.
	I don't really or this statement.
	This is a statement.
	Look, you're still like, there's a lot of sims out there that are going to be fine with it, but it's more of a like in my head.
	It's like you can't bake your cake and eat it too.
	Like, I know what I signed up for.
	I'm not delusional.
	I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, I can't wait to find the man.
	Like, it is what it is.
	I've come to terms.
	If I find somebody, I do.
	If I don't, I don't.
	Like, I'm not going to sit here.
	Like, I could, you know, people plan for 10 years down the road.
	I want to get married, the white picket fence, the whole nine.
	I couldn't be, I might not be here.
	Like, it doesn't matter.
	You live day by day, you do day by day, you do the best you can every day.
	And if that means in five years I have a man, I have a man.
	If it doesn't, then it simply doesn't.
	Like, it's not like I'm going to dwell on the fact that I, oh, I don't have a boyfriend.
	Like, it just doesn't matter.
	And I, to add to that, I very much believe that wherever I'm going to end up, wherever I'm supposed to end up, whether that's with somebody, whether it's not, I'm going to end up there by default.
	There's nothing I can do to not get myself there.
	And especially with my goals that I have.
	Okay.
	Found it.
	Let's do a couple super chats here unless anyone has any additional things to add.
	We have Puffy Vegas here.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	I tried to use TTS.
	I couldn't get to work.
	But to the girl in the hat, I never S with the woman who I know was married/slash girlfriend.
	I've turned down 40-plus women for that reason.
	Is this to you, Madison?
	Yeah, because last stream I said something.
	I think I was just like, every, he said something saying that he gets a lot of like women with husbands.
	Hold on.
	Archie Bunker donated one hundred and one dollars.
	The chest tattoo girl is talking pure pseudoscience.
	Sounds like a quack therapist.
	Hey, Brian, you Canadian?
	You sound too smart to be American.
	Also get one of the Red Scare Girls, i.e. Dasha Nekrasova, on the pod.
	I have no... who?
	Red scare girl.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	I have no idea who those girls are.
	Red scare girls?
	Is that like a communist thing or something?
	I'm not Canadian.
	Bordello Girl $222 donated $99.
	Oh, hey.
	Wonderful, Brian.
	Everyone lovely.
	I have a question for the panel.
	Do you believe in love at first sight?
	Or must it be a friend?
	Very curious.
	I think that's Lauren.
	Hey, Lauren, thank you very much.
	So to Archie Bunker, no, I'm not Canadian.
	Canada's kind of an L, I'm not gonna lie.
	I feel like we should annex Canada, but um, okay.
	No offense.
	Thanks.
	Somebody, are you Canadian?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, we should definitely annex Canada.
	Everyone's from Canada.
	Great.
	Fuck it.
	But, and Bordello girl.
	I'm pretty sure that's Lauren.
	Thank you, Lauren.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	Do you believe in love at first sight?
	So we'll do that real quick.
	Go around.
	I wish.
	I don't really think so, just because people see, it's like judging a book by its cover.
	So you see something, you might be super into it or like hormones or whatever is going on.
	Your body might, oh, I'm in love with this person.
	And then you can hear them talk and be like, never mind.
	You know, I don't think so.
	That'd be ideal.
	It'd be amazing.
	Is it possible, sure?
	Is it extremely unlikely?
	Yes.
	I think most of the time when people explain love at first sight, they're just going based off of physical attraction or some kind of chemistry or something along those lines.
	Does it have to be romantic?
	I mean, yeah, it's love, so yeah.
	Because I believe I found my person, my love, but he's literally my best friend.
	So that's what I'm asking.
	Like, does it have to be like sexual, I guess, in a way?
	I guess there's different types of friends.
	Because he's literally not girlfriendly.
	Like, he's my soulmate.
	We're just friends.
	We've been friends since like grade school, but he's like my soulmate, my other half.
	That's not love.
	A different type of love.
	Yeah, you marry him then.
	Because he's gay.
	And she is gay.
	That's definitely not love then.
	It's my love.
	Like, I will take a bullet for him.
	Like, I love him.
	Yeah, but in a platonic way.
	Yeah, but most people don't find that either.
	Wait, it was love at first sight?
	No, literally.
	He's my other half.
	But he's gay.
	Did you?
	Wait, hold on.
	I believe that too.
	Love at first sight with a gay man.
	Let me just parse that for a second.
	So at first, were you romantically interested and then you found out he was gay and you're like, shucks.
	I knew he was gay before he knew he was gay.
	You knew he was gay.
	Hold on.
	You knew he was gay before he knew he was gay.
	Yeah.
	When did you go?
	I just, we just knew it.
	It's not just like me.
	His family knew it.
	We knew it before he knew it.
	He would like to call himself out and be like, yes, I'm gay.
	He was in denial.
	Not denial.
	He just never put a label on it.
	But he would never say he was gay.
	But we knew he was gay.
	And then later it came out.
	It's like, yeah, I like men.
	Okay.
	Agree.
	Yeah, okay.
	What about you?
	No, I don't believe in love at first sight.
	Sure, what about you?
	Not even in Trader Joe's.
	Not even in Trader Joe's.
	No, not really.
	I think it's possible, but not necessarily likely.
	I think that love comes softly oftentimes.
	All right.
	There you have it, Lauren.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Oh, we have Fede.
	Okay.
	Girls, you should never fly out for a guy.
	Just stay single AF Argentinian 500.
	Thank you, thank you.
	We have Puffy Vegas.
	These OF girls are so full of it, I can't even believe.
	I've known so many OF and they all put it out in 20 minutes.
	I mean, listen, they put it out in 20 minutes, like fuck, and that's so not true.
	I take their words for it.
	It's so not true.
	I believe I'm Puffy Vegas.
	I've put yourself in that position then.
	I've never met a single one of my friends who does OF that would ever put out in 20 minutes.
	No.
	They might flirt with someone, but they won't take them to bed afterwards.
	Here's the thing, though.
	If you did, if anyone here at the table did fuck someone like within 20 minutes, would you admit to it?
	Yeah, would you admit to it?
	Why not?
	That was character development.
	People lie.
	That's a thing.
	It's a thing.
	It is a thing, but people lie, you know, about all sorts of things.
	20 minutes is crazy to say.
	Wait, hold on.
	You said your ex-boyfriend who you were financially supporting in a $5,000 a month apartment was in a fraternity.
	I guarantee you, him and this fraternity, bros, were fucking chicks within 20 minutes.
	Probably, but no, no, OF girls.
	He said specifically OF girls.
	None of those girls were OF girls.
	They were college girls.
	And there's college girls put out too.
	Whatever.
	I think there's so many different types of people ever.
	Maybe there are some OF girls who do that, but not a single one of my OF friends would do that.
	And I know that girl and I don't do it.
	So like genuinely, I don't know.
	That's just not a thing.
	My friends will go out and party and they'll flirt all night and then they'll just go home alone and they won't go home with the guy that are begging them to go home.
	And I know that because I'm sitting in the bathtub waiting for them to get back from the club.
	So hold on.
	None of you here, or maybe you specifically, have ever known a girl who's had a one-night stand.
	Come on.
	Of course I know.
	Of course it's not.
	But it's when you're talking specifically.
	You're talking to one group of people.
	Specifically OF girls.
	I do know OF.
	I do know.
	I definitely know that.
	No, she knows.
	I know that argument.
	No, yes.
	But that's with anything.
	You don't categorize anything at all, but definitely.
	I know people who have in like off the first 20 seconds.
	20 minutes, not one night stand.
	One night stand can be hung out for you.
	Yeah, 20 minutes.
	And also, you said earlier, do we know, have we ever done a one-night stand?
	And then you just said we didn't know anyone.
	We know people who've done them, but we, I don't know who said they did or not, but.
	Weren't.
	You know what I mean?
	I know people who have done it.
	I have some friends and they can do what they want, but it's not me.
	There you have it.
	We have Stiffler here.
	Ask the ladies to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	We'll go around the table starting with you.
	Go ahead, Keep.
	Three.
	Is that like a troll answer?
	No, I don't want to say hi and then get roasted and I don't want to say low.
	Well, say, how about say the truth?
	No, this is a little game.
	I see the game that people play.
	Zero games.
	These boys love to say, what do you think you are?
	She wishes she was a 10.
	She wishes she was a 10.
	Okay, so you do think you're a 10.
	No, I didn't say I was a 10.
	Oh.
	I got self-conscious.
	You just don't take it personally what they say.
	Yeah, I know.
	I think you're a 10.
	You think I'm a 10?
	I think you're a 10.
	Thank you.
	I think you're a 10, too.
	Kiss.
	What the?
	So, do you want to just, instead of a troll answer, do you want to actually...
	I'll say five or six.
	Is that your final answer?
	Yeah, I think there's so many more beautiful women in the world.
	Okay.
	I think I'm okay.
	It's a game.
	it's a tired narrative it's just it really isn't It is.
	It is.
	Your own self-assessment of your physical attractiveness is quite crucial when it comes to dating.
	If you think you're hot shit, if you think you're a 10, whether you're a guy or a girl, this happens more so to men, but you're going to face plant into reality.
	If you think you're hot shit and you're not, reality is going to come.
	So let's just say that.
	People face plant.
	Let people face plant.
	What do you mean?
	It's life.
	Life teaches you.
	Yeah, but why be delusional?
	It's a tired.
	You don't have to be deluded.
	It is tired.
	You ask every show.
	You don't ask about emotional availability or maturity.
	You know, you don't mix it up at all.
	It's just, it's the same thing when guys ask, what do you bring that to the table?
	It's just, and even guys who know game will tell you this.
	They will tell you this.
	It's not coming from a man or a straight man.
	But men who know game know that it's essentially a setup and they're placing themselves above you and you below.
	And maybe, I'm not saying all men that ask that question know that or are aware of that, but a lot of them are.
	That's where it started.
	It's a power struggle.
	It's a power struggle.
	We're talking about dating, so it is kind of relevant to dating.
	What if it changes?
	Because sometimes I'm like, oh my gosh, I feel like a 10 today.
	I'm super confident, love myself.
	And then other days I'm like, I'm a three, I look like a troll, feel like a troll.
	I feel like it changes and fluctuates too.
	It's just predictable.
	You say something low, okay, you're humble.
	You say something high, they roast you.
	It just seems pointless and tired.
	It's really not pointless.
	Yeah.
	I don't give much energy to things that I don't think have much value.
	So I'm not going to.
	So you think rating looks, I don't think, really has much value.
	Do you think looks is important, is not an important factor when it comes to dating?
	For most people, to an extent, it is.
	Yes.
	But we don't need to play this game of like, it just feels so, it's just so juvenile.
	It really is.
	How is it juvenile?
	Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	No.
	That's quite literally a measurement.
	I'm five feet tall.
	That's a man could still be shorter than you.
	And I assume you have a preference for tall.
	The taller the better, I would imagine.
	Oh, no, not necessarily.
	Taller than me would be great, but.
	Taller than me?
	Taller than me.
	Oh, taller than you.
	Yes.
	Okay, so if you had a guy who's 5'1 next to a guy who's six feet, all things being equal, which do you pick?
	If everything was absolutely equal, they're literally the exact same person, but a height difference would naturally the taller person.
	Okay, so height matters, which is quite literally a measurement, a numerical measurement.
	I've only dated short kings.
	I'm not saying that looks don't matter.
	I don't mean to.
	They just gravitate towards me.
	Looks in general matter to most people.
	You can get into a relationship.
	See who has donated $100.
	Girls, you are all pretty sure.
	But the only thing that you just said is Maddie, especially as she is sitting in the correct place, D. Yo, Swordless, thank you, man.
	Very much appreciated.
	That's our homie from overseas.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Thank you very much.
	Appreciate it.
	Go ahead.
	I don't give energy to things I don't think are important, like a scale, a rating scale.
	But so you were saying that looks aren't that important?
	Looks are to an extent for most people important in dating, but delegating it into this scale and asking it over and over, it's just, it's not, it's not helpful.
	It's super harmful.
	It's actually very, very helpful.
	And I can explain it to you, but I do like to give people an opportunity to answer before I get into it.
	But it's harmful.
	It's not helpful.
	It's what?
	It's not helpful.
	To know where you land in the sexual or dating marketplace when it comes to your physical appearance.
	Yes.
	Don't you think in order to have a fair assessment of the type of guy that you can get, you need to have an accurate self-assessment of the type of woman you are when it comes to your looks and to your personality?
	Sure, but it's not just looks, and you guys really only do the scale based on love.
	It's based on emotional availability and maturity, mentality, your daily life, whether you have integrity or not.
	And the same old, tired question is about looks.
	It's just like if you, this is what I the issue here.
	The issue here is that you, it's a dating podcast, but you're not really going any deeper than surface level on so many of these topics.
	We go pretty deep.
	It's a low surface level on that.
	We go pretty deep.
	Well, speaking of surface level, well, hold on.
	First off, I would just say to something that you'd said earlier, looks is, I would say, one of the ultimate things that matters when it comes to dating.
	If you don't have physical attractiveness, nothing gets off the ground.
	So looks is incredibly important.
	So you're saying that this question is perhaps superficial.
	Is that correct?
	I'll get to you in a sec.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, it's just.
	Can you speak straight into the microphone?
	Yes, it's superficial.
	And you said it's the conversations we have on the show is very surface level.
	We need to be deeper.
	We need to go deeper, I think.
	If you're.
	If you're looking for real change and not just entertainment and hits of entertainment and feeding people's egos, then you're just giving the same old tired narrative.
	People are rating each other's looks.
	You're not really helping people at large find a partner that is going to be solid for them when you're just reiterating the same narrative on physical attractiveness.
	What is the scale?
	It's the same question when men ask, what do you bring to the table?
	Just, I mean, you object to the question of men.
	Yes, I do not.
	It's already, I'm not interested.
	If you're asking me.
	That's a pretty reasonable question.
	I understand from like a more like superficial level what they're saying.
	Like, is this connection going to be reciprocal?
	But over time, men have started to ask this question to essentially have the woman already like subservient and just essentially explaining what she has to offer.
	Like it's instead of getting to know somebody and not like drilling them with an unequal like power dynamic.
	Unequal power dynamic.
	Yes.
	By asking, what do you mean by that?
	What do you bring to the table?
	It's already like this expectation.
	Is that a common?
	Do you guys get asked that question?
	I get that a lot.
	Yeah, I'm not saying you don't get it a lot, especially now since it has been regurgitated, but since it's been regurgitated over and over on a lot of these shows, of course you're regulating.
	Well, are you to hold on?
	This question that you're referring to, what do you bring to the table?
	Are you talking within the context you're like one-on-one on a date with a guy?
	Because we are on a dating panel here.
	I'm not on a date with any of you.
	So we are having, like, we can have meta conversations like this.
	Right, when you're on a date, like, if somebody were to ask.
	We're not on a date right now.
	We're on a dating panel where we're talking about dating-related things.
	So if you know, I understand.
	I really had no intention of asking what you bring to the table, but perhaps it's a good question I ought to ask, but we can bring it back to the rating thing.
	No, no, I'm just talking about dating in general.
	I'm not talking about you asking me specifically, obviously.
	I just, that's an immediate red flag.
	I already know that he is like somewhat programmed by red pill rhetoric, and so it's just, I'm not interested because typically relationships end how they begin, and that's just, it's a red flag.
	Ladies, you need positive advice.
	A guy need not even be red pill to ask such a question.
	Wait, what's up?
	A guy, like a normal dude who's never even heard about red pill.
	Hold on.
	A guy who's not even heard about red pill could ask somebody, so like, what do you bring to the table?
	It would be extremely rare before any of this rhetoric was spread.
	It's not common.
	But don't you expect when you're on a date and you're interested in a man that he has something that he has to bring to the table?
	Don't you expect him to bring something to the table?
	So therefore, don't you think that there should be some kind of equal, like it's fair for him.
	Yeah, like some of that as well.
	100%.
	Yeah, like he has things that he wants and he has things that he thinks, you know, like are good for his life and some kind of woman that he's looking for.
	So therefore, isn't it a fair question to simply say, well, you know, you can phrase it however you want.
	Maybe it's not what do you bring to the table, but maybe it's what kind of woman are you?
	What are you, how are you going to nurture me?
	How are you going to nurture our kids?
	Like, I think there's a lot of things that a woman can bring to the table, and therefore we should know that, and we should be able to say that when we're on a date.
	What do you think about that?
	Yeah, I don't, I'm not, like, saying that this is necessarily like the worst thing ever when you're coming at it from a more balanced place.
	But specifically, this community, and I get it, you want reciprocity, you want equal give and take, but to when men ask this question, it's already the little thread that essentially is telling you that they're into this type of rhetoric.
	Why men ask what women bring to the table is because society and women place a burden of performance on men to produce.
	But women somehow believe she gets a free ride off of a man's hard work.
	Well put, Alvin Sam.
	That was lovely.
	Continue with your point.
	Go ahead.
	Nobody's assuming that they get a free ride off of a man's hard work.
	It's about reciprocity.
	This specific question, and I could say it over and over again, and it's...
	You've already explained it.
	Let's go back to the 1 to 10 rating thing.
	So you, okay, you object to the 1 to 10 question because it's surface level, it's inauthentic.
	Yes.
	It's repetitive.
	Do you believe authenticity is important?
	Yes, hugely.
	Okay.
	Well, do you think representing yourself realistically is important?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Well, I mean, I noticed on your Instagram, almost every single photo of you has a face filter on it.
	Do you think that's inauthentic to be misrepresenting your physical appearance by using a face filter?
	not misrepresenting when it tells you that there's a face filter being used you it it usually doesn't tell you if there's if somebody were to ask do you use a face filter Yeah, but it's why aren't you comfortable in your authentic self?
	There are a lot of videos and photos where I have no face filters.
	Okay, but most of them you're using a face filter.
	Why aren't you just comfortable being your authentic self?
	I am comfortable being my authentic self-love.
	But it doesn't mean that I can't use a filter.
	Why do you feel the need then to use a filter?
	Are you on any dating apps?
	Yes.
	On the dating apps, do you post any photos which have you in a face filter?
	Or is it completely authentic?
	Most of them are professional photos, so they're authentic.
	There's no Instagram filter.
	Some of them, yeah.
	Isn't that inauthentic?
	To misrepresent your physical appearance?
	To an extent, yes.
	Do I look shockingly, completely different than I do on my Instagram?
	I guess you guys could go tell me.
	But it's the same thing as like, do women wear makeup?
	Yes, women wear makeup.
	Most of the time it's very apparent that they're wearing makeup.
	Are they wearing heels?
	Are they falsifying their height?
	No, you can see that they're wearing heels.
	It's a totally different thing than pretending to be somebody that you're not.
	Like you're mirroring to somebody what they want mentally, emotionally, and you're not actually that.
	Would you object to that?
	Sometimes I use occasional filters as many women and people do.
	And as long as it's like, do what you want, I don't judge or shame people, but like I don't think I know that I don't look very different than I do online.
	Can you scoot your microphone that way just a bit?
	Would you object to a guy lying about his height on a dating app?
	I mean, is it a huge discrepancy?
	Is it an inch or two?
	Is it intentional?
	Does he know that he's off?
	Or is he like, I don't know, maybe I'm 5'10, maybe I'm 5'9.
	He's 5'9, but he puts he's 6' feet or 6'1.
	Yes, that's like a 4-inch difference.
	that's pretty big.
	That's not like something that...
	Do you have any photos on any of your dating apps where you're not wearing any makeup at all?
	Yes.
	Yes, one.
	One.
	Yes, I put one where it's just like no makeup, smiling, because I don't want them to all appear.
	Well, hot take here, like if you're wearing a full face of makeup on the dating app, you are kind of misrepresenting your physical attractiveness.
	Men know that women wear makeup.
	And you can tell that when women are wearing makeup, most of the time.
	It doesn't, whether men know that women wear makeup or not, it doesn't change the impact, that initial visceral reaction to seeing an attractive woman.
	It doesn't, like, it doesn't change what the impact is having.
	I don't really know what you're saying.
	I don't know how we got it.
	Well, I mean, you're talking a lot about, you're accusing this question of being very surface level and inauthentic, but I just, I'm seeing if you're consistent in your demand for authenticity.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm not being inauthentic by wearing a filter, especially when it says, hey, here's the filter, and here are descriptions of me not having a filter.
	And the filters that I use are so subtle.
	Are they?
	Yes.
	Are they?
	Yes, they are.
	I've seen a lot of face filters just in general, and they're pretty transformative.
	Let's not even talk about the transformative filters.
	There are some very transformative face filters where you look like a different person or you look like the opposite sex.
	A lot of those, the opposite sex ones are different.
	But anyways, like.
	But okay, so I'll let the rest of the girls answer the question, but I'll kind of address why I do think it is important to have an accurate self-assessment of your own physical attractiveness.
	And if you can break that down to a number, then I think it's fine.
	What about you?
	What question?
	Your looks on the scale of one to ten.
	Solid seven.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, I'd say 7.58.
	I'd say the same.
	7, 8?
	Like a 5.5 to 6?
	I think like a 5.8.
	Okay.
	So the reason I think it's important is, and I've said this already, in order for you to be able to get a partner that's conceivably on your level, you need to have a reasonable self-assessment of where you stand.
	And I think it's the case, like men aren't really getting gassed up in the same way that women are going to get gassed up by society, by their friends.
	Oh my God, you look so amazing, but you're fucking 400 pounds overweight.
	Some guys like that, though.
	I will say.
	Sure, okay.
	There are some guys who have a fetish, whatever.
	I feel like I think, and it's not just fetish.
	Sometimes that's just like what they're into.
	Like, looks-wise, I think a lot of appearance-wise, a lot of it is objective and subjective.
	Like, instead of looking at objectively, like, what you are on a scale, if you're a woman, I could find, not even just that, though.
	I could find one celebrity or one person super attractive, I'm obsessed with, beautiful to me, and then I could tell my friend they're like, ew, he's butt ugly.
	Like, I don't find him attractive.
	I find this guy attractive.
	People have types and tastes and whatnot, but I mean, there is an objective standard, though, when it comes to beauty.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	Absolutely.
	So, wait, where were we there?
	I just wanted to bring up that sometimes some people have things for other people.
	I know friends that are super hot and they will only date guys with dad bods and are not also super hot.
	They like more average people because that's just what they're attracted to.
	That's what they would say is a 10 on their scale.
	And then they would look at, you could bring in like, but even like, like his point is like, there's still a standard, like, there's still a reason why like, you know, like the percentage of people liking a specific type of person is, you know, super uncommon than to what you would consider to be like the stereotypical beautiful woman or the stereotypical beautiful man.
	Yeah, I'm not disagreeing.
	I was just bringing up another little point.
	But no, I'm not disagreeing with that.
	I agree with that.
	I think the primary issue is this, is that if you one of the primary issues, if I had to distill it down in dating, is that women and both men, both men and women, women want the best man that they can get.
	But women will confuse sexual attraction and relationship attraction.
	So there's plenty of guys that will sleep with you, keep you along even long term, string you along, but they have really no intention of either committing or marrying you or ever having anything long term.
	But guys will keep women around for sex.
	So, and women can.
	Women can do the same.
	Yeah.
	Well, women can shoot much higher out of their league than men can.
	When it comes to getting sex.
	Yeah.
	So, okay, men will sleep with women who they would never have a relationship with.
	Yeah.
	Women don't really move like that.
	Like, in order for you to sleep with a guy, let me explain.
	In order for you to sleep with a guy, he needs to at least be physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him.
	You don't, you wouldn't sleep down.
	Like, here's where it's different.
	You'll sleep with a guy, and if he's more attractive, then you'll sleep with a guy.
	And if you know, it's just going to be casual.
	Whereas men, it's the reverse.
	Men will sleep with a girl, and she'll be less attractive than he is.
	Disagree.
	100%.
	Disavow.
	Say that again.
	Okay.
	Men will sleep with women who they would never have a relationship with.
	Right.
	And you don't.
	When it comes to physical attractiveness.
	Okay, okay.
	So in order for a woman to sleep with a man, that man has to be at least physically attractive enough to be in a relationship with.
	But the same is not the case for men.
	So a man will sleep with a girl of a certain level of physical attractiveness that he will never commit to.
	But women will project that same thing onto.
	And what is that scale?
	What do you mean?
	Like, what is, like, are you saying they're going to sleep with more attractive women but never commit to an attractive woman, or what do you, like, what's the...
	No, what I'm saying is, is a guy who's a nine will welcome the easy sexual access to a girl who's, like, a five or a six.
	100%.
	But he's never going to commit to her.
	Whereas most women, it's the reverse.
	Women will perhaps bend their rules when it comes to casual sex or one-night stands if the guy is attractive enough.
	But it doesn't go the other way.
	But you said relationship.
	Yeah, you're saying relationship.
	Like, we won't sleep with them.
	We'll bend.
	We would date them.
	We'll bend our, you know.
	We're more likely to sleep with attractive women.
	I mean, men in a relationship with men and not date.
	Date less according to looks.
	That's what you're saying, right?
	For you to sleep with a guy, he has to at least be attractive enough physically for you to be in a relationship with him.
	But it's not the case for men.
	Not at all.
	Actually, not at all.
	I feel like that's an old way of thinking.
	I wouldn't.
	So hold on, to be clear.
	the men that i mean i disagree but go ahead like i i would much like i don't want okay I don't want a guy who's, I mean, yes, physically attractive on a scale of a 10 on the standard.
	Yeah, sure.
	But I would much rather date somebody who's below that because that's just how it naturally, beautiful women date men who aren't as attractive.
	That's literally known.
	You will never, you will see a woman who is a like Megan Fox dating somebody in MGK.
	Like, come on, bro.
	Like, you're telling me Megan fucking Fox is going to date, bro.
	Pete Davidson.
	Are you crazy?
	That is crazy.
	No 10 out of 10 is ever going to date a man.
	Nikki Minaj is like Cassie.
	He just got a big daily comment.
	Okay, just to address that.
	What was that?
	Nikki Minaj.
	No offense nickname.
	It's like the big dick comment.
	Cassie.
	No offense to Cassie's husband.
	MGK.
	But this is all anecdotal anyways because it's a celebrity.
	MGK, I would argue is hot and rock or whatever.
	He's tall.
	He's tall.
	What to you is it.
	What to you on a man's scale?
	Yes, please.
	Please give me no, no.
	I want an example.
	Young Brad Pitt, I would say, is like approaching a teacher.
	Okay, I could agree with that.
	Approaching MGK.
	MGK.
	Wait, approaching it!
	But Megan, okay, Megan Fox is, what, in her middle?
	Dude, she's 30.
	She's really good.
	She's safe.
	She is a sex icon.
	No, but she's literally on the magazine for like world language.
	She's a very attractive woman.
	Her Adriana Lima.
	Yo, yo, yo, she's a very attractive woman.
	That's what I'm saying.
	She was more attractive when she was 21.
	Please name a woman.
	Please name a woman.
	Please name a celebrity or woman who is dating a man, like a woman that is known to be one of the most beautiful women, dating a man of the same caliber.
	Wait, hold on.
	Repeat the question.
	Who?
	Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds.
	I don't think Ryan Reynolds is.
	I think the only ones.
	And I also think Blake's good looking.
	Are able to make up for their lackings in physical appearance 100 with status, personality 100, which is why I would rather date him, not a 10 out of 10 who has none of that, but that that's almost proving my point.
	But Megan Fox has a good personality and status.
	But Megan Fox has a good personality and status and she's still dating lower.
	And what does he have?
	He has some music and pink hair and spice.
	I'm not privy to all the, the details of the Mgk and Megan Fox thing's examples that we were bringing up okay.
	So wait, what's the point that women date below women date below the average.
	Like I would much rather date somebody who's attracted, that's almost is.
	That was that.
	Are we agreeing with that?
	It almost reinforces my point.
	The women the, the men that they end up in long-term relationships with are, with more, ends up being different, with more beautiful.
	Wait, what if the?
	If you're saying, like, if I date somebody who's less...
	Also, we shouldn't use celebrities because that...
	It's anecdotal.
	That involves, like, status.
	Yeah, I guess.
	People don't know.
	Whatever.
	Like, it's still saying, like, I would much...
	Okay.
	Generally speaking, like, a girl who's average could hook up very easily, like, just go on Tinder.
	100%.
	It's so much easier for a girl to hook up with a guy than it is for...
	And hook up with a guy who's more physically attractive than she is because said guy welcomes the easy access to sex.
	100%.
	If I go up to a guy right now, no matter what i'm like, I want to have sex with you.
	They're not.
	Why would they no like yeah, why do we keep pushing this casual hookup?
	And we're not talking about relationships?
	That's a different conversation.
	What the fuck like a lot of this is about?
	I it just sounds like it's like men like well, if they can hook up with more people, and it's like who cares?
	Like that's not going to sustain a long-term relationships and a lot of those connections don't build into something more.
	But this is a dating podcast.
	Most people are dating to become, to turn into a relationship.
	Well, I mean, there's not everybody, but a lot of people are.
	I don't agree with that.
	I I don't think you need to date to be committed and marry and have kids and do all this other shit.
	I mean no, you don't have to.
	But I say a large majority, that's not the normal anymore.
	Like it's a different time now.
	Yeah, but the but?
	The point i'm trying to make is, is that okay, this all stems from the one to ten rating thing.
	So if you have a girl who has an, who has a delusional or inaccurate self-assessment of her own physical attractiveness, she's let's say she's chasing after a certain tier of man to marry or just hook up with, they can go inside like because if I thought it was separate there a second ago, it was separate a second ago.
	It was just about casual dating and not turning into a relationship, and now it's.
	They're not exactly because a girl could hook up with a guy who's more attractive than she is.
	If we're just using some objective rating scale of one to ten, that guy, very well, is not gonna ever commit to her, but she's able to get sexual access from him.
	So she either thinks well, didn't work with this guy, let me keep chasing men of this caliber.
	So then she's gonna look at the guy who's actually on her looks level, who's actually her looks equivalent, and she's gonna think i'm settling for him.
	That's where women get into trouble.
	If they think that they're more attractive than they actually are, they're gonna be chasing dudes throughout their 20s who are just never gonna commit to them, keep them in situationships, casual sex, one night stands.
	The rating scale is not the way to solve this.
	This.
	The rating scale is not the way to solve this.
	It's discernment solves this, like your own, like life mirroring to you issues is hopefully.
	I mean this is Survival Of The Buddhist.
	You said, like, um, the whole scale thing was a surface-level question, you would say.
	Is that how you phrased it?
	Yes.
	Um, and you also compared that to what do you bring to the table like that as a surface-level question as well, right?
	Yes, but you would say that if a man were to ask you that, you would obviously right off the bat judge him for something.
	But I think that surface-level questions are almost necessary nowadays because they say a lot more about people than just the flat-out question.
	Doc Vinabo donated $100.
	Okay, let's go deep.
	IQ test girls.
	Can you name seven books that you have read other than the Harry Potter series, Hunger Games, or the Bible?
	Who read the Bible?
	I've read it.
	Here, each of you.
	Maybe you can do the Bible?
	Here, name three books.
	Go.
	Of those?
	Sorcerer's Stone.
	Oh, my goodness.
	No, he said not those.
	Oh, not those, just books in general.
	Yeah.
	I'd be reading.
	A little like.
	Sorry.
	I wasn't listening.
	I was pointing at her saying she should do the Bible verses.
	Okay, we have to wrap the show early anyway, so we're going to move on.
	Sorry, Doc.
	Does any here name seven books?
	You want to name seven books?
	It's the same thing.
	I'm not going to sit here and listen.
	Okay, thank you for your participation.
	I appreciate it.
	Did you have a point that you were arriving at, Madison?
	Yeah, I think I kind of made it.
	Do you want me to repeat it?
	Well, it was a question, right?
	Oh, yeah, so your question.
	Like, don't you think that surface-level questions are almost necessary to ask these days because it says more about someone, like, like you said, someone, some man asking you, what do you bring to the table?
	You obviously think a little more into it and obviously judge him in a way, saying he's a little more red-pilled.
	It's going to be a rhetoric that, yeah, it's going to be a red.
	You object to the surface-level questions, I'm just saying.
	Not all surface-level questions.
	I don't know where that conversation could go, but if somebody is already like initially bringing up red-pill rhetoric, then I know that we're just not going to be a match.
	Like, I'm not interested in that subset of the people.
	Okay, fantastic.
	Wait, I'll quickly say that if I did bring that up with my ex, maybe, and if I said, what would you bring to the table?
	And he said, nothing.
	Having you pay for all my bills while I play video games and do nothing, then maybe I'll have been like, okay, I won't get into a relationship with him.
	He wasn't going to tell you that at all.
	So is it normal?
	Yeah, but if he had nothing to say, what would he say if he had nothing to say?
	Right, so in a whining manner, it's like a guy asked that, and the girl has nothing to say, then everyone blames him for, well, why'd you ask that?
	It's like, well, if you have nothing to bring to the table, can you blame him?
	That's why you work on yourself, so you have something to bring to the table.
	So when you're asked that question, it doesn't seem as crazy to be asked, and you can know, I can.
	Yeah.
	It's not offensive.
	Like, almost nothing offends me.
	It's just giving me that inkling of, like, I'm not interested.
	And he is a bad guy.
	And you can say whatever you want to say.
	It's not going to actually give you most of the time a proper like understanding of that person.
	Their actions are going to show that, not some answer.
	It's the tip of the iceberg.
	It'll lead you there.
	Well, okay, disregarding your objections to the actual question.
	What do you bring to the table?
	Disregarding your actual objections to somebody asking you that question, what do you bring to the table?
	I'm not going to answer this question.
	This is just something that I wouldn't answer in a date.
	I'm not going to answer here.
	I'm not going to answer how many books I've read.
	Okay.
	It's that power dynamic.
	And I know a lot of you don't see this and don't maybe even have that level of understanding or discernment and it's a different generation, but it's a thing.
	Powered.
	Do you expect a guy to pay on the first date?
	Yes.
	That's a great question.
	That is a good question.
	Should we go around the table with that?
	Give me just a sec.
	We'll go around the table on that.
	Raven, donated $100.
	The answer is nothing.
	She brings nothing to the table.
	That's what he's inferring by your choice to omit answering that question.
	But, okay, so what do you expect men to bring to the table?
	Integrity, clarity, consistency, a strong connection to divinity, not necessarily religion, but some kind of purpose-based lifestyle, emotional availability, emotional maturity.
	So what is the female equivalent of that?
	The same.
	Then why wouldn't you just say that at the table when he asks you?
	I could repeat myself over and over again.
	This is audience and everything is a very specific subset of the population, a small percentage of the population.
	So a lot of people aren't really watching this.
	The majority of people aren't watching this.
	No offense, you guys have a great following, but and they're not into this community.
	So I'm wanting somebody outside of this small community.
	Into myself.
	I'm just wanting somebody outside of this small community.
	And once I see that somebody is kind of programmed by this community, and we could get into like the Matrix and the red pill and the blue pill.
	Right, but that's not my question.
	Why would you not just say those same things that you just said?
	I'm sorry.
	You just said, you know, like a list of all of these things that you would want in a man, which are very good things, by the way.
	But at the same time, if he asks you that, why is it so wrong of him to ask you so that you have the opportunity to respond to him in that way?
	It's not wrong.
	It's specifically more or less the terminology and then the alarm that kind of tells me that he's into this community, which I'm personally not interested in.
	Somebody from the red pill community.
	So can you ask?
	It's a very, it's a red flag, essentially.
	Okay, it's a red flag if somebody asks what you bring to the table.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I assume do you bring things to the table?
	No.
	No, I don't bring absolutely just nothing.
	Are you just being facetious?
	I mean, I'm looking for a partner that is on my level.
	What's on your level?
	What do you consider on your level?
	You're trying to.
	I'm not trying to do anything.
	I'm literally having a good faith conversation.
	I just told you, integrity, clarity, consistency, being purpose-based, living a more purpose-based life, being transparent, having authenticity.
	I mean, these are just general characteristics that I would look for in somebody and vice versa.
	But that specific terminology, it's just going to tell me, hey, I don't want to waste either of our time.
	I get it.
	You object to the specific question or the specific terminology.
	Would you want a guy to, you said you had a kid.
	Would you want a guy to pay for a babysitter so that you could go on a date with him?
	Or would you handle that?
	As I'm getting to know him, no.
	But down the road?
	Well, if we're going to become in a long-term relationship that's leading to marriage, it's going, we're going to become a family at some point down the line.
	So would I ask him initially to pay for a babysitter when I'm just getting to know somebody?
	No.
	Do you have kids?
	Yes.
	Are you married?
	No.
	Okay.
	Is the father in the picture at all?
	No, he's not.
	Pay child support?
	Nope.
	Wow.
	Is it like a one-night stand or something?
	No.
	Gone wrong?
	No.
	Gone pregnant?
	No.
	I've never had a one-night stand.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	Did you have, it looked like you had another question or is this bringing up judgment of shame?
	Shame.
	Not at all.
	Not at all.
	No, no, no.
	It's just like, why are you single?
	Like, is it different because you have a kid or is it like, like, is it harder?
	Like, I'm just.
	I don't know if it's necessarily harder.
	I just haven't met that person yet.
	I've been in multiple long-term relationships.
	Why has it not worked?
	If you obtain so much knowledge, like, I don't, like, if it were me coming to you, it's like asking someone, it's like asking a doctor if the medicine worked and it's not working for them.
	So it's like, how, you see what I'm saying?
	Like, if it hasn't worked for you, how can you guide others?
	I'm just trying to be real.
	Yeah, a lot of people do feel that way.
	I don't personally feel that way.
	I don't feel that every family therapist has to be married in order to give you the same tools that it takes to sustain a marriage.
	I haven't met that person yet.
	Right.
	There's a lot of people have all the tools and haven't yet met that person.
	And I'm sure I'll get a lot of pushback of, oh, this, this, or that is wrong.
	I mean, right.
	Not from you, but from the community.
	Right.
	To guide a family, I would expect you to have a family.
	Because you can, or to guide a family to become a family, I would expect someone who has experience in most of my relationships have been around three, four years long.
	So I'm not like, I've never been to the data.
	But that would scare me.
	That would scare me.
	I'd be like, holy, like, holy shit, she's been in a relationship for three to four years.
	It didn't work out.
	Like, that's fine.
	And then you're saying your.
	Like, what kind of advice could you give me?
	Well, if that scared you and you didn't want to come see me, you would probably just want to specifically make sure that you go to somebody who is in a long-term marriage.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's if that's a specific, some people won't see therapists who only have a master's degree.
	They really specifically want somebody with a doctorate.
	And that's completely fine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we just have to agree to disagree.
	Because I couldn't, like, that's like taking parenting advice from someone who's not a parent.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Like, it just wouldn't make sense to me.
	Yeah, to an extent, but there are a lot of people who are teachers who are not parents.
	There are a lot of people who are family therapists who are not parents.
	And you're just, I get the.
	Right, right.
	You get a rubber.
	Yeah, you have a lot of understanding, but it's.
	Yeah, and people are their right to have that.
	That's completely fine, yeah.
	Okay, well, this all stemmed from the one to ten rating question.
	Basically, look, the point I'm trying to make is, is if you think you're hot shit and you're not, reality is going to slap you in the face.
	And it plays out a little differently between men and women.
	As a guy, if you think you're fucking hot shit and you're like obese and a basement dwelling troll and you live with your parents, like you're not going to go get a Victoria Secret model.
	The difference, though, between men and women is that men will welcome the easy access to sex.
	So you have women who are capable of, you know, maybe they're a little overweight, maybe they're average looking, whatever it may be.
	They can get with like a guy who's maybe more attractive than them.
	And unfortunately, a lot of guys are going to string that type of girl along.
	And then she's either she's going to get hurt.
	She's going to be like, he doesn't want to commit, or she's just going to keep chasing after a certain tier of guy.
	And then once you've been with a certain tier of guy, the guy who's actually on your level, who you, once you've been through a bunch of guys in your 20s who you're going to want to settle down with when you're in your late 20s or 30s, the guy who's actually on your level, you're going to settle for him.
	And it's not going to make for a healthier, productive relationship, in my view.
	I think a lot of that stems from a modern standpoint of women overall in the dating world have unreal expectations of what they expect out of a man, but not out of themselves, if that makes sense.
	So it's like women expect men to do this and that, but then it's toxic femininity when you say, okay, well, can you clean the kitchen?
	It's like, then everyone's like, whoa, You can't say that.
	It's like, I believe very heavily in gender roles.
	And I mean, it works.
	It's been proven to work.
	And I think modern, from a modern standpoint, it's becoming less and less.
	We're going to move.
	Did you have a factor?
	I do.
	To touch on this, I do agree to some extent.
	Gender roles are huge.
	I don't like blanket statements.
	I don't think that they work for everybody, but I think that they're great.
	But the rating, the looks rating thing, I think that we can replace that woman having to chase with the like similar to work that I do, healing, releasing chasing patterns, not chasing, having stronger discernment, and only entertaining men that are clear and consistent in their words and actions instead of a physical rating scale.
	Word, okay, we have Ripley Glass here.
	Hey, Ripley, thank you, man.
	Keep your lovely.
	Don't listen to the Bible thumpers on the other side of the table.
	Two of them can't drink.
	Haven't lived enough to understand dating their life.
	Keep your whole meal and a snack.
	I'd eat every day.
	Hit me up on IG.
	Most men don't want virgins.
	That's cap.
	Who's a virgin?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I guess, yeah.
	There you go, Ripley.
	Appreciate it, man.
	I love Ripley.
	I would say that, like, if given the opportunity, yeah, most men actually would prefer women who are virgins.
	But it's pretty rare, so expectations, you know?
	Any disagreement on that?
	I mean, that's just like saying a fairy tale, like a fairy tale beginning is just hard to find.
	Like, it's just hard to find a virgin.
	And women may want the same thing.
	Yeah.
	Nobody talks about that.
	Women want virgins?
	Male virgins?
	Sometimes you never know.
	But a guy might say he wants a virgin.
	And I say that all the time, but I've never met a male my age that was a virgin ever.
	A guy might say he wants a virgin because in his mind he might be like, oh, it's tighter or it's whatever.
	I'm the first one to christen it.
	That's just like how a male's brain, I've heard them say this before.
	That's how they say it.
	Yeah, the purity, but they say all that too.
	And that's acceptable.
	And when they say all that, they can say all that, but then when it comes to it, sometimes I've also had friends who were guys who were with a virgin, and it's totally okay if anyone is.
	Like there's nothing wrong with it.
	But then they ended up being kind of disappointed because they were like, I couldn't actually have fun.
	She didn't know what she was doing.
	It felt more like a chore or something.
	And that's not all the cases.
	That's not every case, but there's like the fantasy that we build up in our head and reality is so much different than anything you can imagine.
	Just like imagining a guy is going to do some big grand romantic gesture or something ends up just being a flop or something.
	Sure.
	Well, so there's two things there.
	I mean, this girl in question, obviously we don't know the details, but temperamentally, she could have just been, even though she had sex with this guy, could have just been kind of not super into it.
	But as far as her not knowing what to do, I actually think that reflects more on the guy because if you know what you're doing as a guy, you can take a girl and show her, teach her.
	Very true.
	So if you know what you're doing.
	The guy's open.
	If you know what you're doing in the bedroom as a guy, you like you can.
	Some don't.
	Sure.
	I completely agree with men wanting purity.
	It makes sense.
	Like 100% makes sense.
	I don't know why there should be no debate for that.
	I don't know.
	It's so like bad to say you want a virgin.
	It's not that big of a deal.
	But it's like, does it you sh you should maintain that purity yourself then?
	I feel like if you sit here and you're like, I want a virgin and I want somebody who's super pure, 100%.
	I agree with you, go crazy.
	But you also shouldn't have slept with 150 women just for you to teach me.
	Baby girl, it takes maybe to sleep with two people for you to understand two people consistently to understand what you like and what they like.
	So hypothetically, if I was a virgin, 100%, I mean, I wouldn't be upset if my man had two partners because it's like you weren't, you lived 20-something years and you could have slept with 50 women, but you chose two.
	You chose two to learn and gather and whatever you need to do, and you found me and that was that.
	That's totally fine.
	But don't be out here fucking 150 women and expect to get a pure woman.
	Yeah, you're not.
	You're not totally wrong.
	The one thing I just point out, though, is I don't think it's wrong for a guy.
	Let's say if a guy has slept with a lot of women, I don't think it's wrong for him to be attracted to a woman or want a woman who's had a low body count or who is even a virgin.
	It's like fetishes, right?
	100%.
	I think if a guy slept with 50 girls and he meets a virgin, it's like, oh my, like, now I want it because no one's had it.
	Yeah.
	It's what men do.
	Men like the, it's like something that's never been touched before.
	Like 100% you're going to want to be that.
	It's like a trophy.
	Like you want that.
	And shit, I'm not going to sit here and line and say I wouldn't want a virgin.
	A dude who's a virgin?
	It's like a chase.
	It is fun.
	Is it?
	It feels easy.
	It's like he's so strong in your values to be 26 and a virgin.
	Well, okay, there's different, let's say there's no.
	There's, I mean, there's guys who are like just, whether it's their looks or their personality, like either might repel women.
	So they involuntarily haven't been able to.
	Or there are certainly men who are super attractive men, but they're like waiting, whether it's for religious reasons or they're not particularly inclined to just have casual sex.
	So but I guess the you I don't think you're totally wrong.
	I definitely think there is something to like men should lead sort of by example and not be fucking man whores and then expect women to be there's.
	There is a bit of difference though, between men and women, but I guess the one thing I would say is though, is that in order for you want, in order for you to want to be with someone or want a certain quality in the partner, do you need does, do you need to possess that same characteristics in order for you to want that characteristic in a partner?
	No no, so in the that's no, but I wasn't disagreeing with you.
	I think that's a hundred percent.
	I think, if you, you're right.
	Like it's not wrong for a man who slept with 30 women to want 50 women, 100 women, to want someone.
	That's pure.
	I think it's totally normal.
	No, but you can't expect that it's because it's not about characteristic, it's about it's about action.
	Like it's weird to say, oh, he can't want a woman that's a virgin because he's had this many bodies, whatever, slept with this many girls.
	But then it's not the same token with characteristics because in that sense, I do want somebody that is different from me.
	I want somebody that lacks the part that I have strength in and vice versa.
	So you don't want to be with somebody that's not.
	It depends on action.
	So it's like, I expect your actions. to be the same as my actions.
	Sure.
	Not my characteristic.
	Yeah, and I think where I agree with you is I don't think men should be striving to just be absolute fucking man whores, just running through a bunch of chicks.
	Me personally, I prefer, you know, longer-term relationships.
	If I sleep with a girl, I want there to be continuity.
	I have no interest in sleeping with a girl once and then never talking to her again.
	There's no point.
	So I don't think guys should really be trying to just, like, if you're only going to sleep with a girl once, me personally, like, look, guys can move however they want.
	One, I don't think it's worth your time as a guy.
	There's a whole bunch of reasons why I'm not going to get into it.
	But in any case, I think if you are going to sleep with a girl, you should at least have an intention.
	Maybe you only see each other for a month.
	Maybe you find out you don't like each other, whatever.
	But at least have some sort of emotional intention of wanting there to be some continuity.
	It's moving with intent.
	But I wouldn't object to a guy who's in the past he slept with 100 women.
	I wouldn't sit there and I wouldn't be like, hmm, he can't, it's wrong for him to want to date a woman with a low body count.
	I wouldn't object to that.
	No, like I said, you can, it's a preference.
	You can want what you want.
	In the same way that a lot of the times we desire traits in the partner that we don't possess ourselves.
	Like maybe you want someone who's wealthy, but you're not wealthy yourself.
	You find the fact that they're wealthy attractive, but you're broke, you know?
	Exactly.
	Or they're funny, but you're not particularly funny or whatever it may be.
	So we all desire traits in partners that us ourselves don't necessarily possess.
	Right, but at what point does it become delusional when you can't have that?
	What do you mean?
	Like at what point, like at what boundary?
	When it comes to body count?
	Or like, I mean, sure.
	Like, at what point does it become delusional to think like, because I've done this, I can have, of course I can have that.
	On the guy's part?
	Like delusional?
	Both.
	Yeah.
	You can speak from the guy's part.
	At what point for you for a guy, if you slept with 250 women, for you to sit back when they'd be like, yeah, nope, I'm over this.
	I really would like just a pure virgin?
	I really want that.
	At what point does it become completely delusional?
	i don't think it becomes delusional at any point whether you can but are you proving that for your lifestyle But okay, let's say you're upfront with a girl, because some women who are more chast, let's say, who don't have a high body count or who are virgins, they themselves might object to partnering with someone partnering with a guy who was a But then there's also liars.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	And there's also a subset of women who are not as preoccupied with body count as men are.
	I think women care about it less.
	There's certainly women that do care about it.
	I can 100% agree.
	Women care about it a little less than men.
	Because it's almost expected of men to do what they do.
	It's expected.
	Like, I'm not, it would be a little bit delusional of me to think I'm going to marry a virgin or I'm marry.
	I'm going to be with a virgin.
	Men do what men do best, and that's chase and seek and get the price.
	Wait, so you'd be down for a virgin?
	Like if I knew a virgin, could I get you guys linked up or what?
	Probably not, no.
	Okay, so you're not down for the virgin.
	I mean, I'd be down if there was like an emotional connection, right?
	Fair enough.
	What's up?
	Does body count matter to you?
	To me?
	To me?
	No, to him.
	We should ask the table this.
	Yeah, body count matters.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	To me.
	Oh, wait, I should have asked the table.
	Well, okay.
	Yeah, it matters.
	Okay.
	So because it matters, you won't answer that question?
	What do you mean?
	Will you answer what your body count is?
	Oh, what my body count is.
	Well, we got to go around the table really quick before I get to me.
	Can I add something?
	Quick show of hands, go ahead.
	Okay.
	So I completely agree.
	Sorry, I just lost my train of.
	I had it.
	I lost it.
	Okay, we'll come back to it.
	Okay, okay.
	So, show of hands.
	Who here thinks body count?
	There's always two ways to look at it because you could think of it.
	I got it.
	Hold on.
	You could think of it as, okay, body count matters to the guy.
	Does it matter to the girl?
	Do you object to men caring about body count?
	Let's do that.
	Show of hands.
	Wait, what?
	You would object to men caring about body count.
	About a woman's body count.
	So, like, I, as a woman, would I be mad if he asked me my body count?
	Sure.
	Is that the question?
	Or if he cared.
	If he cares about my body count.
	Yeah.
	Do you take it?
	Would I get offended to that?
	Do you take issue with it?
	Do you take issue with it?
	No.
	I don't take issue with it.
	I just think it's the one you ask in high school or something.
	So joke.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Yeah, no, I don't take issue with it.
	You don't take issue with it?
	I don't care.
	Yeah, not at all.
	No.
	Okay.
	So we should go around the table.
	What's everybody's body count?
	I think probably five?
	Probably five.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it might be a little bit higher.
	Really only slept with the people I've been with in like a couple other situations.
	Okay.
	Thought I would be with them.
	I'm not going to share my body count.
	Plus or minus 10.
	I'm not going to share my body count.
	Okay.
	I have two.
	Industry-wise, maybe 50, but personal life, two.
	Okay.
	Is it men and women?
	Let's do a breakdown for both.
	Nine men and three women.
	Okay.
	Eleven men, zero women.
	Wait.
	You two?
	Have you guys?
	I wish.
	I wish.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Just on OF.
	I pay for that.
	Lincoln IGBIO.
	I pay for that.
	Zero.
	I'm so down.
	I was touring.
	Repeated, I don't think.
	Four.
	Eight.
	Okay, there you have it.
	No, what's yours?
	And well, I don't reveal my body.
	47.
	So you made us answer, but you can't.
	I did.
	I did.
	I am a man of God.
	I do not reveal myself.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, man.
	Pulsar minus 10.
	Well, whatever all the girls said.
	Pulter minus 10?
	No?
	That's a real number.
	I don't disclose.
	I don't disclose.
	Okay.
	I'll get you poke a face.
	Brian, I have a question for you.
	What's up?
	Do you think that it is hypocritical of men who expect women to be virgins, but theirs is like over, you know, like 50 over 100 over 250?
	That's what I'm saying.
	We would just talk about that.
	Well, yeah, but I'd like to hear from Brian, like, what is your particular position on it?
	Because you were kind of vague.
	No, I don't, I don't, excuse me.
	I don't think it's hypocritical.
	But aren't they contributing to, you know, like, you know, so like a lot of these men, they look at the hoes and, you know, like, they'll say, oh, she's a hoe and things like that.
	But isn't it like, isn't it hypocritical?
	Because you're contributing to it.
	You're actually making them into a hoe because you want a good time.
	Like, I'm not saying you.
	I just want to say that.
	Not you, but just, you know, men and gender hoe makers.
	Call me a hoe.
	Oh, no.
	I don't be called a hoe.
	I don't want a hoe maker.
	But I am saying, like, any man that has like over, you know, 50, over 100, over 250, like, you know, I mean, especially inside, I think, especially inside the red pill space, for you to say that.
	And I've seen some men on here, and I completely agree with most of what they say, but then when they say their body count, I just don't understand it.
	Why would you not have that same expectation of yourself if you're going to expect that of a woman?
	And I'm not saying that, you know, like you should have, you know, like only 10.
	Like, I mean, I think 10 is right where I would probably want it, you know, for like a man.
	But at the same time, if it is like over 10, or I mean, I prefer it to be lower, but if it's over 10, over 20, over 30, like, you've had men on here that are upwards of like 200, and they're inside the red pill space, and I just think it's very hypocritical.
	I don't think you're going to be able to do that.
	I see what you're saying.
	So I don't think it's wrong or hypocritical for a man to want, even if he has a high body count, I don't think it's hypocritical for him to want a partner with a low body count.
	However, I think it would be hypocritical if he said women should have low body counts, but he sleeps with a lot of women and he's contributing to the high body count.
	I think that would be hypocritical.
	However, what is the number that you think is high?
	For a woman?
	No, for a man.
	For both.
	For body count?
	Well, for a man who wants a woman that is pure.
	Because if you had 250 women and you want a virgin, I understand biologically why you would want that, but what makes you think that she'll want you?
	I mean, she waited for you, so why would she be eager to compare to compared to her?
	I don't know if a woman wanted to disqualify a guy because of his past sexual experiences, I'm totally okay with that.
	I don't have a double standard where it's like women are not entitled to have a preference when it comes to, if they don't want to date a guy who's a fucking, who's a man whore who slept with a lot of chicks, totally cool.
	Both men and women are allowed to have their preferences, standards, and boundaries when it comes to that sort of thing.
	But again, just to reiterate, I do not object to a guy who has a high body count preferring a woman with a low body count or who's a virgin.
	That's like saying when the girl says, I want a guy who's wealthy, but the guy's like, I don't want a girl who's broke.
	It's just a preference.
	It is a preference.
	It's simply a preference.
	You can't.
	Well, I understand the preference, but it's more the expectation that I have a problem with because I think the expectation.
	There's zero expectation.
	There's no expectation.
	You can want something and not expect it.
	No, but I think I sort of get what you're meaning.
	Like guys who are like, man, these women out here.
	And I try not to use, I certainly think I don't use this sort of language like, oh, these women out here shouldn't be fucking sluts and whores and like sleeping around with a bunch of dudes, but then they go out and fuck a bunch of chicks and have casual sex with them, have one night stands.
	That's where I think it gets hypocritical.
	But I don't think it's necessarily hypocritical as a guy to prefer a woman with a low body count, but you have a high body count.
	I completely agree with that.
	Yeah, and like I think the preference is fine.
	My position is more, I think, that if that's an expectation that that man has and he has upwards of 100, you know, I think then it becomes hypocritical.
	I mean, I think there's accountable.
	I think there's accountability on both sides.
	I think men should, you know, it's tough, but I think men ought to not, you ought to at least be open to a continuity.
	I don't think, like, I don't think men should be having one-night stands with women.
	If a girl's in town for the fucking week and you meet her at a bar, like my recommendation to men for a variety of reasons, some of which I'm not going to get into is probably just don't sleep with her.
	It's just not.
	To me, if given the option of, and I've had this option before, like if a girl is in town and she's going to be in town for a night and we can fuck once, to me, it's not even worth my time.
	Like it's not worth it to fuck a chick once.
	Like, so I don't know if that adequately answers your question.
	And also, similarly, I would say, women, if you're out, you're traveling, you're in fucking Vienna for three days, don't go fuck an Austrian dude, you know?
	Just saying.
	I have a question that's kind of off topic.
	Is that okay?
	Yeah, sure.
	It's like kind of the same topic, but a little bit off.
	How do you guys feel about like everyone?
	How do you guys feel about when women are virgins?
	A lot of times they're seen as like you guys at the trophies or like people crave them, like use them as a fetish sometimes, want to have that purity.
	But then a lot of times when a man is a virgin, they'll get called out by their friends.
	I'll be like, dude, you're a virge.
	We got to get you laid.
	Or like, it comes like a joke and they make fun of them instead.
	Which, I mean, I don't see it that way, but it's all over the internet.
	It's all over the bros and how they treat other guys when I don't know if they deserve that, but that's kind of like the standpoint.
	It's like, oh, you haven't fucked yet?
	Like, I don't see it.
	I don't think it's that way either.
	Like, my very first boyfriend, he was a virgin, and he made me wait till he was ready.
	And I like fully respected that.
	Like, it honestly said a lot more about him.
	As women, I think we respect it, but I think as a lot of the guys, we'll look at them and be like, you're a virge.
	Like, come on, let's get you laid.
	Like, I know someone that is easy or something.
	Like, you see that all the time in college.
	Which is why a lot of guys aren't virgins these days because it's kind of, yeah, it's almost masculine to have a variety of women or to have been with a variety of women, which is weird, but that's society.
	And it's feminine to not have partners, to not have had excess amount of partners.
	They use it as their roster, too.
	I've been with this one, this one.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's a flex.
	Well, it shows masculinity.
	I can get these girls.
	If a girl's like, well, I've been with these people, they'll look and be like, it's like, because men are, because if you go back, like, men are meant to chase the woman, not vice versa.
	So it's like when a guy has all these women, he's just, quote-unquote, conquered that many women.
	So it's not, that doesn't work the other way around.
	I mean, unless you want it to.
	Like, okay, go crazy.
	I think another component of the double standard thing is it's way easier for women to get laid thanks to the people.
	I've never seen donated 90% of the time.
	Yeah, thank you, Alvin.
	Red dress promiscuity is a double standard that benefits men and not women.
	Society treats men and women differently in this.
	Men are considered studs while women are considered 304s.
	Women would rather pick men with experience in the bed.
	Words.
	What's a 304?
	What's that?
	It's like an area code, I'm pretty sure.
	No, it's the stupid kind of juvenile calculator thing where if you type in 304 into a calculator, it spells hoe.
	Like boom.
	H-O-V-E.
	Yeah, back to the playground.
	Back to the playground.
	So, Alvin Sam, thank you very much.
	Yeah, there's definitely, I mean, double standards when it comes to that sort of stuff.
	And I think just before it came in, I was mentioning, comparatively speaking, it's more difficult for men to get laid than it is for women to get laid.
	So there's a difference there.
	More diff.
	Wait.
	It's harder for men to get laid.
	Yeah, I say.
	Because women are so scared to increase their body count.
	Men, they don't care.
	There's also that, but then there's also like, if women want to have sex, they're going to have sex.
	Because like if a girl, if you go up to a guy and you're like, I want to fuck you, you can say that.
	You can say that if a guy comes up to you and says, I want to fuck you, you're going to be like, whoa, whoa, that doesn't work.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It has to come up.
	Someone who wants to do that too.
	Yeah.
	So I'm saying, like, either you're the type of woman that's down for that and that's cool.
	Like mad respect to you.
	You do what you got to do.
	But for the majority, I feel like if a man went up to you and just came on you that strong, it's not working.
	Go ahead.
	I just have a question for you.
	I know like in the past you've mentioned that it's different if a man has a high body count than it is for a woman.
	And I was just asking, do you still agree with that?
	And if that's the case, why do you think so?
	So, okay, in the past I've said it's different.
	Well, it is for a couple of reasons.
	One, as already previously stated, it's more difficult for men to get laid than it is for women to get laid.
	So there's a certain degree of props or respect that comes with, like, it's kind of impressive to some degree if a guy is like, he has game and he can, like, he's a ladies' guy.
	Like, he's got game.
	He knows how to smooth talk, whatever.
	Like, that's kind of reflective of either his status, his physical attractiveness to a degree, and his charisma.
	So there's some coinciding traits that would necessitate him being able to sleep with a lot of women.
	Whereas like any woman, if she was so inclined, could like, she need not be charismatic, she need not be funny, she not need not be even particularly physically attractive, and she could get in if she wanted to.
	Okay, here's the way I often like to put it.
	An average woman has the equivalent sexual pull of basically like a top-tier male athlete, A-list celebrity, musician, actor.
	Like if a woman was so inclined, she could sleep with five guys a day, five new guys a day, average woman, if she wanted to.
	Yeah.
	Whereas in order for a guy to be able to do that, he has to be in like the top 1% of people.
	And usually for a guy to be able to do that, he's going to have to have like some pretty insane status.
	So either athlete, musician, actor.
	Do you, would you say that a woman that has a high body count is, would you say that she is not a high value woman?
	And if that's the case, would you say the same thing for a man who has a high body count as in not a high-value man?
	Well, I don't like this term.
	In the same way, I don't like the term high-value woman, high-value man, because it's kind of, I don't know, it's kind of like the alpha beta thing.
	I don't like that sort of terminology.
	But do I think a woman who has slept with a lot of men who has a high body count, do I think she would be a sub-optimal partner?
	Yes.
	Am I less attracted to her because of that?
	Yes.
	Would you say the same thing for a man, though?
	Would you think it's the way that a woman sees them?
	I don't think so because, again, this kind of goes back to like men and women valuing things differently.
	Like a guy who slept with a lot of women, he's probably had to bring something to the table, either charisma, humor, personality, status, or looks, usually a package.
	And so he's going to be attractive.
	That type of guy is probably the type of guy that a lot of women are going to find attractive.
	So it's not some women, if it's within your personal value system to not want to date a promiscuous man, you may not particularly want to partner with someone who has that sort of past, but he's going to have the requisite attraction triggers to be deemed attractive by vast majority of men.
	Whereas a woman with a high body count, any woman could go get a high body count, and it's not going to, it's never going to positively impact her attractiveness to men in any capacity.
	So you would agree that typically women I know you mentioned this before, but I guess I just want to confirm that women are sort of the reason why hookup culture exists.
	So I think obviously, look, both people play some role to a degree.
	However, women gatekeep sex.
	So you could argue that because women control access to sex, because they gatekeep sex, that they're ultimately the ones that control whether there's a hookup culture or not.
	I would disagree.
	I do agree that typically, you know, it takes, for consensual sex, of course, it takes a woman, it takes a woman to say yes in order for a man to say yes.
	So like you said, like it takes two to tango, basically.
	I would say though, though women permit sex, I would argue ultimately, at the end of the day, it is the men's fault that it even continues because it's a man's responsibility to say no.
	It's their decision.
	They can say, a woman said yes to me, but now it's up to me to decide, will I actually commit to this?
	Well, I mean, there's a whole bunch of dynamics at play here, but since men are the pursuers, there's a component there of, as a woman, if you're the one who's being pursued, then you're kind of the one who's gatekeeping.
	The other thing I would say is that sorry, the vada.
	Damn it.
	I had something good, but it fucking slipped my mind.
	Could you repeat your last statement one more time?
	Sorry.
	I would agree that women allow that sex take place, but ultimately it is the man that decides if he is going to continue with her agreement, essentially.
	And so I would argue that ultimately it is the man's fault because it is his job to say no, even if she says yes.
	I completely agree.
	And so I have this, you know, kind of metaphor.
	So like if you take it back to the Bible and you think of Adam and Eve, right?
	So ultimately, you know, like the serpent came to Eve.
	Why?
	Because she's more emotional and she's pretty much more easily manipulated.
	But then at the alt, so she took the apple.
	Okay, but hold on, let me just let me cut you off really quick.
	Stefan donated $100.
	I love how the single woman who has a non-Lyvens and a child is a life slash dating coach.
	Do you have a response to that?
	I don't.
	She doesn't have an OF, but she does.
	You have a kid, correct?
	Yes, I have a kid.
	Do you have a response to that?
	It would pretty much be my same response to her earlier.
	Beautiful.
	Okay, didn't mean to cut you off.
	However, and I, listen, I don't object to religious arguments.
	However, not everybody subscribes to your religion, therefore it's not.
	No, but it's just a story, right?
	So ultimately, ultimately, all right, she gave the apple to Adam and Adam could have said no.
	So ultimately, the fault is on Adam because why it is his role, right?
	If you just think about the story, all right, so men are supposed to be leaders, men are supposed to be, you know, in charge, they're supposed to be the caretakers, the providers, and he's supposed to say no to her when she's out of line.
	So, therefore, if he says, and he, you know, like if he permits it and she's being promiscuous and he's going to permit it, ultimately he has a certain amount of accountability that if he is going to lead her, he is leading her in the completely wrong way.
	So, ultimately, yes, inside of like the dating scene, he's not responsible for every single woman, but he is responsible for himself and how he carries himself.
	And therefore, I think that she has a point, and I completely agree.
	I think men have women have a lot of responsibility.
	They are indeed the gatekeepers of sex, but then it comes down to also ultimately the man, because she would have absolutely no power if men just said no.
	Okay, but in order for you to be a leader, you need to have people that are prepared to follow.
	And the fact of the matter is, you can be a fantastic leader, but because you have feminist propaganda, it is impossible for men to lead.
	Women demanded equality.
	You got it.
	That is very hard.
	You can't lead someone who wants to fucking mutiny and who is not prepared to follow.
	Here's the thing: a lot of women want leadership, and they're honestly biologically and evolutionarily attracted to leadership traits in men.
	Decisive, dominant, masculine, leader.
	However, again, these same women do not want to follow.
	And I agree with you.
	There's a lot of now.
	I feel like that's just become a common thing.
	Now.
	That's just now trying to be this trend, in my opinion.
	And look, I think both men and women bear responsibility here.
	I think both men and women have accountability.
	But to say that men bear full responsibility, there's a lot of women who don't want to follow.
	It's only a small percentage of men who participate in hookups.
	This was the point I'm talking about.
	That's why so many women find themselves in situationships.
	Ladies, stop gaining bodies and start gaining muscles.
	Thanks, Sprixian, for the new muscles mommy preference.
	What?
	Yo, Valdiv, thank you very much for your TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Who are you talking?
	Who's the muscle mommy at this table?
	I mean, I work out.
	Can we get some biceps?
	We'll double buys.
	Is this a muscle mommy right here?
	It might be.
	It might be her.
	Okay, there you have it.
	She's got some guns too.
	There you go.
	I was actually out there.
	I actually had written down the percentage there because that was one of the points I was going to make.
	Is that when it comes to, well, shouldn't, you know, your point was it's men's fault, kind of.
	Like, when it comes to hookup culture, like, it's men to blame.
	But if I told you, if I were to tell you that more women engage in hookup culture than do men, what would you say to that?
	I would say that the women wouldn't be able to if the man didn't, if the man said no in the beginning.
	Okay, hold on, hold on.
	Let me just clarify one thing.
	Let's say there's 1% of men who are like hyper-attractive men, who can have their pick of a bunch of women who are never going to commit to them.
	That one person, so, I mean, you're telling me that.
	Okay, so, well, my position is it's not like an equal distribution of people engaging in the hookup culture.
	There's a higher proportion of women who are engaging in hookup culture than there are men because women are more capable of engaging in hookup culture.
	So what's happening is, and this is backed up by what's going on on dating apps, you have women who are swiping no on 90% of men.
	They're matching with a very small percentage of men on dating apps.
	These same preferences can be observed, generally speaking, although most people are meeting online.
	So dating apps, social media, Instagram.
	But even before all of these, women are trying to get the best that they can.
	Big Teddy donated $99.
	Uh-oh.
	This question is for Camilla.
	Oh, is she gone?
	We'll trigger her.
	You have to break up because he wanted to start an on-levans.
	How do you even live with yourself?
	Brother, you should have waited until she came back.
	I'll trigger it when she's back.
	I'll trigger when she's back.
	Is that actually Gino Cody?
	Yes, she did date a Cody.
	Yeah.
	Awkward.
	So when she gets back, that'll be a good question.
	We'll pull it back up.
	So.
	Here she comes.
	The data is out.
	You have a small subset of men.
	You could argue that that small subset of men should, you know, not be doing that.
	But we got something for you.
	We'll pull it up here in a sec.
	But, oh, shit.
	Can you grab that man's father?
	I got it.
	I got it.
	But if, like, a larger portion of women are participating in an activity, then could you say there's a higher burden on women?
	I think it's on them.
	But like I've said, yes, women, that's why, you know, it comes down to leadership.
	And so obviously, you know, like you said about Eve, we do tend to fall more.
	And this is why we need a leader.
	I'm not saying this is, this isn't to say that there's a superior, inferior sort of way to say it.
	But this is why we need a man who does have self-control.
	And I would argue that if you have self-control, that makes you a great leader.
	Alvin Sam donated $99.
	Hookup culture is entirely on the woman.
	Women have a greater urgency than men to attain a relationship.
	Therefore, she needs to make the right choice.
	Therefore, it is entirely her fault.
	It is not men's fault because men are judged whether he succeeds.
	I think sometimes it's hard to make the right choice, though, as a female, like you said earlier, how guys can lie just to get into your pants.
	Sure.
	So you'll think you're making the right choice, and they end up just doing it to get another body on their roster so that they're looked up to because they, you know, when in reality, what you were hoping for was something different.
	And I think that happens a lot of the time, too.
	And also.
	Oh.
	Cole, tell that Asian bee to take her hat off.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Cole.
	No.
	Hold on.
	Oh, actually, I'm not going to play that.
	Thank you, Cole.
	Appreciate it.
	Also, I don't know if you meant it this way, but when you said women gatekeep sex, because guys, they want it and girls can get it, but they gatekeep it.
	I don't know if you mean it this way, but it almost sounds like because a woman doesn't want to have sex, they're restricting sex, but guys want it all the time, and we'll just give it and want it all the time.
	But since we don't want to give it, we're gatekeeping it.
	And gatekeeping is kind of a term that is usually like not the best thing.
	Like, oh, you have this hair product that is going to make your hair amazing, but you're gatekeeping it because you don't want anyone else's hair to be amazing.
	Well, I mean, there's different definitions of being a, what gatekeeping is, but perhaps that's just a semantic difference.
	But basically, gatekeeping is essentially you're the one who is controlling who gets to go in, who doesn't.
	Yeah.
	You're at the gate.
	You keep certain people out.
	You allow access to certain people.
	I feel like that makes sense for if it is just a bunch of hungry men that want to have a bunch of sex and add to their rosters, if we have to be and choose the right person, then we should be gatekeeping if that is the case.
	Sure.
	So this ties into what I forgot earlier, is that I think a lot of the issue is that it's this us versus them.
	It reminds me of that Spider-Man emoji where they're all just pointing at each other.
	It's just this like divide.
	And there's an argument for both sides because I think about the same like analogies of Eve being able to be more manipulated and a man being the leader and all that.
	But it really, unless you just want to go on and on for entertainment purposes, which is fine as far as education and healing and change and all of that, we have to come together and less pointing the finger.
	And that's just what I was thinking.
	And also earlier you were saying.
	Me?
	Oh.
	You were saying that.
	And I think it's just a matter of semantics, honestly, because a lot of people misdrew masculine and feminine energies.
	But a man like constantly just leaking his sexual energy and chasing women.
	And again, no judgment, blame, or shame on either side.
	Shame and judgment and blame don't help.
	Again, it just creates a bigger divide.
	But that's not really integrated masculine energy.
	That's just like wounded masculine energy.
	And I think that when we go deeper into these layers, I like the layers because we can actually just go be on the surface.
	And that's kind of what I wanted to add on from earlier.
	I'm going to re-trigger this and then I'll come back to the whole hookup thing.
	Big Debbie donated $99.
	This question is for Camilla.
	This is your ex Cody.
	It's embarrassing that we had to break up because you wanted to start anonyms.
	How do you even live with yourself?
	Cody, we broke up my sophomore year of high school because you wanted to sleep with guys.
	Your sex tape actually got leaked in high school, so I don't know what you're talking about.
	Second of all, I live really well.
	I love my nighttime routine.
	On the occasional Wednesday.
	Jack Doc donated $99.
	Kate, is it pink?
	I hope it's pink.
	I wonder if it's pink.
	Can you tell me if it's pink?
	I really want an LFIX pink.
	Is it pink?
	B FR.
	I hope it's pink.
	This has to be a joke.
	No, this can't be.
	Subscribe to her OnlyFans and you'll find out if it's pink.
	I've seen it.
	It's pretty pink.
	Oh, and then we keep and your friend.
	You guys have to take off.
	So that's fine.
	I want to say bye.
	That was a lot.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	Love you.
	Bye.
	So thank you.
	Bye.
	Let's collaborate.
	All right.
	See you guys.
	We're going to maybe move.
	Can you two move, like take their seats?
	Yes.
	So you can you sit there and then I'll have you sit where she was sitting.
	Yes.
	Do I move them?
	Just leave the mics.
	Leave the mics.
	Don't worry.
	Just.
	Oh, yeah, that's fine.
	The girls had to leave, so we're going to get them situated.
	Wait, so okay, the first thing there was Big Daddy, I guess your ex was in the chat.
	Okay.
	Cody, to be exact.
	And then Jack Dougherty is.
	Love you, Jack.
	Oh, in that seat.
	Wait, let me see.
	Can you be in that seat?
	Yes.
	Yeah, we're going to just readjust this.
	Is this the guy who you're dating?
	Is this the guy who you're dating, Jack?
	No.
	Jack?
	No.
	Why is he asking if it's pink?
	I assume he's talking about the pussy.
	Okay, well.
	We do like, we know him.
	We do, like, we film videos with him.
	He does his own content too.
	Yeah.
	Jack Doherty.
	His name Dora.
	Are you guys dating him?
	Absolutely.
	He has a girlfriend, McKinley.
	Oh, he has a girlfriend.
	Love you.
	Yeah.
	They're great together.
	There you have it.
	Okay.
	Is this like an inside joke or something?
	Yeah.
	What?
	I guess this is.
	Here, we have something here from Bordello Girl.
	Hello again.
	Lovely chat.
	Question for the panel in chat.
	Have you ever dated someone your total opposite?
	And if so, what attracted you to them?
	I need to get up really quick.
	So if you guys want to go around the table on this one, go ahead.
	You can go first.
	My total opposite.
	I don't think so.
	I think that's probably the flaw that I have: I go for people that are just like me.
	Like a lot of energy.
	And I feel like I should stop doing that.
	So definitely not.
	My mind just goes to like what, in what sense, opposite.
	Like when I was younger in my early 20s, I was dating people who were probably like energetically my opposite.
	I was kind of operating a bit more in my masculine energy and them and their feminine.
	Won't get too deep into that.
	But physically, I mean, in what sense, I guess.
	So I'm not going to go on about that.
	I'll pass it over.
	Yes.
	Short answer.
	I usually go for, like I said earlier, guys who have strengths in the areas that I lack and vice versa, just because I feel like it makes it run smoother and it's just by default.
	Looks and occupation, I guess, and what they like to do.
	No.
	I'd say someone who shares common interests would definitely be somebody that I'm interested in.
	Wait, is it did it ask?
	Have you ever dated anyone who's like been the opposite of you and what attract?
	What did you find attractive about that?
	I wouldn't, I would say no.
	My first relationship, I thought we were the same, but it ended up that we were complete opposites, but I was not attracted to that at all.
	So I wouldn't say that I have ever done that.
	So I always try to stick with people that have the same values as me as much as possible.
	Yeah, for myself, I would say opposite in some ways, maybe opposite in personality to a certain extent, but that would really be all because I prioritize my values and my beliefs, and that would be, those would have to be the same.
	I wouldn't say I've dated anyone that's the opposite of me, but the opposite of like what I look for in a person, and it didn't really go well.
	So all right, there you have it.
	Let me get some of these chats.
	We have Puffy Vegas starting with the brown-haired girl ending in 7786.577677.5.
	That's obviously came through before the other girls left.
	We have Puffy.
	I think I'm a 10 out of 10 girls rate me.
	I have 57 million views on YouTube, channel no filters.
	I've interviewed over 1,000 women, all beautiful, and I never use a filter once.
	P.S. I'm a 40, I'm 48 with a dad bod.
	Girl in 20s.
	Date him, I guess.
	The girl with the tattoos would never in a million years be she is beyond delusional to think that I'm high, that I'm high-value man like me would be with her.
	Okay, Puffy Vegas, maybe we can arrange a date, I guess.
	We have Blake Wilson.
	I would say that what each person brings to the table is not surface level.
	Example, support, care, encourage, self-growth.
	And this is our lives.
	Each party should display value in the other's life equally.
	P.S. Miss in the front right corner, let's go out.
	Hashtag gorgeous.
	Fortunately, she left.
	She had to leave.
	But Blake, thank you so much for your super chat.
	Much appreciated.
	Is there a bug in here?
	There's a B.
	And then we have Stefan.
	I will donate my life savings for Caitlin and Camilla to show their toes on camera.
	Also, Caitlin, please tell me if it's pink.
	Is this like, what is it?
	What is this pink thing?
	What the fuck?
	I don't know.
	I think it's because we did a bit where it's like I have a phone and I go up to a random person and I'm like, hey, don't talk to the mic and I'll let you see the rest of this picture.
	And it's like a blurred picture of me like on my OF or whatever.
	What's wrong with you?
	It just depends, whatever the editor's going to put on there.
	And someone was like, oh my gosh, like as a joke.
	I was like, oh my gosh, it's pink.
	As a joke.
	And now it's just a running thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, here's another one.
	Haram!
	Hey, guys, let me see those.
	Okay.
	I guess they're asking how much for a foot check.
	Lincoln IJ Bio.
	Yeah.
	Or just Venmo Me.
	Link in my Instagram.
	No, they're asking how much they have to pay me.
	Pay you to see my feet.
	That's right.
	This is the reverse.
	The reverse.
	Why are they paying you to see my feet?
	That doesn't make sense.
	Venmo me.
	It makes a lot of sense to me.
	Can I have you tilt the microphone up towards you so it's like straight up straight up?
	Can you tilt the microphone a little bit so it's Brian's your pimp now?
	Yeah, no that's right.
	P-I-M-P'd dirt my fucking shoulder off.
	Okay.
	We have Camilla is more pink than Caitlin's.
	No way y'all are paying for this.
	There's no way.
	You guys probably had this set up so they would do this.
	By the way, no way.
	Guys, get your chats in now if you want to because we are.
	I'm not going to talk about it, but we have to wrap at 10 tonight.
	So we got about 20-ish minutes, 25 minutes left.
	So if you want, get your chats in now because this is going to be one of our shortest shows in a very, very, very long time.
	So get them in, guys.
	Well, I got a question since this is kind of relevant.
	Like, any or Audi?
	Huh?
	Huh?
	What did you say?
	Inni or Audi.
	Huh?
	Huh?
	Oh, are you asking me?
	Well, both of you, because any.
	What are you going to ask for proof now?
	Caitlin?
	Also, any.
	I mean, I'm 4-11.
	I don't know if y'all prefer that, but unfortunately.
	Why is that a sad thing?
	You know what, Archie Bunker, you know what will be interesting.
	Ask the panel to rate their intelligence from 1 to 10.
	Here we go.
	What's that?
	I don't feel like having a.
	Oh, there it is.
	Holy shit, there's lots on $10.
	Biologically, men want to spread seed first.
	If you make it easy for any group or status of man, then they have no reason to deny.
	Biologically, women seek protection, social and financial security, and family.
	I agree, both need more value and responsibility.
	Yes.
	Word.
	Thank you, Mayor.
	More appreciate it.
	We have another one coming in.
	Intelligence, anybody?
	Who hears a 10?
	In intelligence, obviously, the whole table, right?
	Okay.
	Sorry, bro.
	Oh, they don't want to answer.
	I have donated $100.
	Sorry for miscommunication.
	I wanted to see the host's feet.
	Wouldn't be opposed to Caitlyn's too.
	Bro, I'm pricey.
	I'm pricing for you.
	I'm not doing it for free.
	I am expensive.
	You want to see my feet?
	Are you talking about medicine?
	No, I'm not.
	I'm going to show you.
	I'll split it with you.
	Please show your feet.
	Go split the money with me.
	Please, if I show my feet.
	I'll give you 30%.
	30%.
	Crazy percentage.
	Please put out one toe.
	Free, 30%.
	Pinky toe.
	The whole thousand.
	No, because why don't they?
	No, not for 30.
	Come on.
	One toe.
	Come on.
	You'd do it.
	If there wasn't a million people watching, you'd do it.
	You'd do it.
	I don't think Madison would.
	I think you would do it.
	I do have a Wiki feed, but not the fucking weirdos.
	Please describe a Wiki feed.
	No, just some weirdos.
	You can look at the definition of Wikipedia.
	I uploaded my feet to WikiFeed.
	It's so good.
	How did they get your feet?
	I got like Instagram photos.
	There's a picture of me surfing.
	There's a picture of me surfing, and my feet are visible.
	Do you hear pedicures out?
	No.
	Ugh.
	Why the f?
	How many guys do you?
	A lot.
	A lot of people get pedicures.
	Oh, my gosh, you need to get a pedicure.
	You'll never go back.
	Word.
	Then you could really subscribe.
	You want to scoot over, maybe?
	I don't know.
	Hey gang, was looking for a few feet and cooch picks myself a lot for filming an ending service.
	All right, these guys are trolling.
	There you have it.
	That is cool.
	Okay, so we had some videos to react to.
	Shit, let me just double-check everything here.
	Okay, we're going to do that.
	We did all that.
	One sec, guys.
	I'm just making sure we hit most of the points.
	Okay.
	Yeah, let's react to the video.
	So you, before you pull it up, Nick, wait, did we get through all the chats here?
	Yeah, I think we did.
	You guys do TikTok.
	Shit, Christ.
	We actually, I think that's how I found you.
	I think I messaged you, right?
	And I, on my for you page or whatever, one of your TikToks came up.
	And it was interesting.
	It was an interesting one.
	So we're going to react to your TikTok.
	Three of them.
	We have three of them.
	They're all pretty much the same.
	Just mine?
	Just yours?
	Why?
	Just mine.
	I like to pick on people.
	When?
	Just kidding.
	Yeah, she's in the clear, really?
	I'm in the clear?
	She's in the clear.
	Oh, bet.
	Fucking.
	I didn't do a huge deep dive, but you found that Instagram picture.
	I don't know how.
	Which one?
	The one on the cover.
	I haven't seen that picture in like over a year.
	That was impressive.
	I think it's.
	You don't have that many posts on your Instagram.
	I was looking for better ones, by the way.
	Oh, thanks.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	Nick, if you can pull up the first video.
	Okay.
	Go ahead and press play.
	Oh, shit.
	Wait, which one?
	How tall are you?
	It's too loud.
	Too loud, too loud.
	Lower it, lower it, lower it.
	Scroll it back.
	Start from the beginning.
	Baby Kate.
	Baby Kate.
	Okay, go ahead.
	How tall are you?
	Like 5'8, I hope.
	I know.
	Why not?
	Why are you having me on blast, dude?
	Just super quick.
	I'm like 5'6, alright?
	Oh, so now you're changing it?
	You got me.
	Let's see.
	Sir, you're 5'5.
	Okay.
	Okay, we still love our short kings.
	Next one.
	Control tab over.
	All right, play this one.
	How tall are you?
	5'8.
	5'8?
	Yeah.
	Are you sure?
	Yes, I'm 5'8.
	Okay, Caitlin.
	Wow!
	If you could just step on the edge of that for me, that'd be really, really nice.
	Come on.
	You're 5'6.
	Oh, my.
	Yes.
	Oh, I thought I was 5'8.
	How'd you think that?
	I don't know.
	Somebody told me.
	Holy fuck, that must be too loud.
	Guys, is it?
	You made the big six quote, though.
	You round up.
	Okay, thank you.
	Yeah, you're welcome.
	Next, next, next.
	Lower the volume a little bit.
	I think it's peaking.
	Well, you can play it.
	How tall are you?
	5'8.
	5'8?
	Okay, are you sure about that?
	Are you sure about that?
	I'm positive.
	Okay, can you confirm or deny?
	No.
	Sir, sir, you're 5'6.
	I'm not 5'6 ⁇ .
	You're 5'5.
	I'm not 5'5.
	No, she's probably 5'5.
	She's actually 4'11.
	Oh!
	God.
	So you're definitely 5'5.
	I guess.
	I'm just curious.
	How much do you weigh?
	115.
	Like 112, I think.
	Last time I checked, like 97.
	Like 109?
	120?
	102.
	I have a scale here, so what I think we're going to do, we need a confirm if like weight.
	So I think, where do we set this up at?
	I think we honestly, where do we do it?
	Oh, get out of a frame.
	Yeah, get out of here.
	What are you doing, Camilla?
	Okay.
	Holy fuck, expose.
	Oh, shit, it got all scuffed it with the exposure.
	We're all pretty small, though.
	Was it this one?
	I feel like was...
	I need to...
	My camera setting was all fucked up on this.
	I probably deserve this.
	Um...
	Okay, I think we're going to do it.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to get up.
	I haven't weighed myself in a long time, but I like weighing myself.
	I feel like it's like fine, so it's like, okay.
	I feel like I am like 125 big.
	So it kind of defeats the problem.
	Yeah.
	I'm actually curious myself, so if we could.
	All right, so.
	Can you see?
	We're getting it.
	He's going to add like weight to it.
	Like, yep, you're 250.
	What did you say?
	115.
	Check that one.
	Wow.
	Whoa.
	Did you use 115 exactly?
	Whoa.
	Whoa.
	Okay, what about you?
	Let's have you do it.
	Wait, is that like a bad thing?
	Like, are you saying whoa is bad?
	How tall are you?
	He's going to say you're like lying about your weight or whatever.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Makes sense, makes sense.
	Four pounds off.
	It's always up and down.
	Okay, what about you?
	I think I checked him.
	197, 98.
	97, 98.
	Oh, my.
	How much?
	Stay still, stay still.
	103.
	No!
	No, actually.
	He caught my ass.
	He's going to do a lap around the...
	Gotcha.
	I'm not going to have everybody do it, but man, you guys are shameless.
	I feel like it's really easy to tell when a man's under 5'5.
	You guys are lying about your weight.
	Darn.
	What's up there?
	Sorry, guys.
	It is a hard surface, gentlemen.
	It's a fucking, I don't know what it is.
	All right, there you have it.
	I just thought that was fun.
	Okay, well, 118 in clothes.
	Check out the bottom of the camera.
	That's the equivalent, guys.
	That's the equivalent.
	I wasn't offended by that.
	Okay, cool.
	I guess what I am saying though is like a lot of women would be kind of salty.
	I thought I'm not like a lot of women.
	Like, I feel like if you did that on TikTok and you asked a woman her weight and you were like, oh, well, here's a salt.
	Yeah, they freak out.
	But if you ask why?
	You get canceled.
	Why?
	I just don't know what I weigh right now.
	No, just stay, stay stay, stay safe.
	You're welcome.
	We're done with a bit.
	Huh?
	What happened here?
	No, like a.
	you get canceled like tick tock is very Everyone's so sensitive now.
	I'm 26.
	I own a construction business.
	Camilla, if you ever come to Pensacola, hit me up.
	I'm 26.
	I own the concert.
	Boom.
	Owns are a construction business.
	So I'm good with my hands.
	There you have it.
	And then I think we're caught up on chats there.
	We have to wrap in about 15 minutes.
	Final thoughts, anybody?
	I do want to touch on...
	go ahead touch on um the i sent it in the one of the the second one I forgot what it was.
	The women supporting women's toxic behavior.
	Sure.
	I'm just curious to hear everyone's standpoint.
	Like, if I gave you a scenario, for example, your homegirl comes to you, her man cheated on her.
	She slashes his tires.
	What are you saying?
	I would tell her boyfriend or her ex.
	I mean, that isn't a behavior that no one should condone, even if...
	Oh, can I just...
	I should have mentioned this before the show.
	If you can just like lean back because you're kind of blocking if you, yeah, I know it's hard.
	It's fucking okay, go ahead.
	It's all good.
	I can scoot over them.
	Perfect.
	It's, I mean, it's a bad behavior.
	I don't think, I don't think just because you're best friends, it means that you shouldn't be able to point out her wrong.
	I mean, we should be holding each other accountable.
	That's the only way to uplift women and even men too.
	I think it's important that men also point out the bad behavior.
	Even if that means, you know, ruining a four-year relationship down the drain, it has to be what it has to be.
	And so I'd say tell them.
	I agree.
	I don't condone that behavior.
	I just hear a lot of girls are like, yeah, girl, like, yes, but I'm like, it's so common.
	Yeah.
	It's extremely common for women to support women's toxic behavior.
	Extremely.
	I think because with women, like thinking you're being a good friend is supporting someone, which is a good, like, a good friend trait, but it's also if you're a good friend, you're going to support someone, but at the same time, confront them.
	Right.
	If they're doing it, you're going to love your name.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Final line, anybody else?
	Hello?
	No.
	Oh, about the same question?
	No, just about anything.
	Final thought on anything.
	Sub to my oh.
	Nathan Bio.
	Once again, this is a perfect example of how men need to carry in relationships.
	Men need to carry conversationally.
	Men need to do everything.
	I have six women here at the table who are incapable, no offense, guys, of carrying a conversation.
	No, I mean, this is not a relationship situation.
	This is a podcast.
	Hold on, Brian.
	You have to clarify.
	I literally got up at the beginning of the podcast and I was like, guys, I need to fucking figure out the technical issue.
	Come on, y'all.
	Give us a talk.
	Do you want our ending thoughts or like a new topic?
	I think that's.
	We're ending in like 10 minutes.
	So it could be a new topic if it's something quick or.
	I think, I guess just adding to what I was talking about earlier, you know, when it comes to leadership in men, I think, you know, with hoka culture and everything like that, I think it's very, very important that especially men should practice self-control.
	I think that's a huge factor when it comes to being a good leader because if you can't control your own body, don't expect me to let you control anything else in a relationship.
	And so I think it's, I mean, you can have everything, but if you lack self-control, you've lost everything.
	Period.
	Yep, I completely agree.
	I think a lot of men these days they want to be leaders, but they don't want to accept the responsibility that is required of becoming a leader.
	And you can say the exact same thing for women, I understand, in that, you know, like she wants to be a leader, she wants to be super dominant.
	And, you know, so it goes both ways.
	But at the end of the day, I think that even the most strong woman, as long as she has, you know, some morals in her heart and she is truly seeking something real, she will submit to a good man.
	And especially, you know, coming from the Christian perspective, it is extremely important that Christian men first submit to God because at the end of the day, how can you expect any Christian woman to want to submit to you if you are not first submitted to God?
	It's extremely important.
	And If you become that leader, then you will find the right woman.
	I think one of the greatest benefits of right now, I mean, like we think about the hookup culture and everything, and you know, how like there's no real women out there that are worthy of me, right?
	Like, that's the constant argument.
	But at the end of the day, doesn't it make it so much easier to find the right one?
	Because now you have a lot less to go through.
	Like, you can say, nope, not her, not her, not her, not her.
	But at the end of the day, if you know what you want, then, wow, I mean, what a blessing.
	It's just made it so much easier.
	So, but at the end of the day, what are you doing?
	Sorry, I'm bored.
	That's rude to her.
	Sorry, I'm so sorry.
	I apologize.
	Okay.
	I do.
	I'm sorry.
	Say it with your chest.
	I apologize to you.
	I didn't know if you had anything else to say, but I wanted to just follow up to that.
	You're fine.
	Yeah, I do agree.
	I think that the stronger your discernment gets, the smaller that your dating pool gets.
	And people think that that's a negative thing.
	They get into scarcity mindset and feel like, oh my god, like my dating pool is getting smaller when you're actually just getting you're like honing in more clearly to what you want so you can more quickly cut out what you do and don't want.
	So another thing I want to touch on with this community, specifically Red Pill community, and I know that when these shows just say men and all men, that's not really the case.
	These are more, this is a little bit more of a tame one compared to others, but there's still a lot of red pill rhetoric.
	And it's very silly to me that there are a lot of men in these communities who shame and judge women for choosing the wrong men, but then on the flip side, they shame and judge women for like not choosing better when their standards are too high.
	Whose standards, the men's standards or the women's?
	The women's.
	The women's standards are too high.
	They judge and blame and shame women for choosing wrong.
	And essentially what they're saying is not having good enough standards, then they're judging and blaming and shaming women for having too high standards.
	And so it's just this, it's again, just this like pointing the finger when we could all really just like go within and like align to.
	I think most men don't really give a fuck.
	If you date a scumbag, like that's on you.
	You hear it a lot in this community.
	They'll like say oh, you didn't choose, you chose wrong or whatever.
	It's just something that I hear a lot.
	I haven't, I mean, I've watched a decent date, a dude, who's a scumbag.
	A lot of times.
	We choose wrong as women right absolutely, and I'm not saying that we don't, we do it's vital to take full accountability and like when I'm coaching people and I am the hardest on myself, and when I'm coaching people, I go in on these women like in a loving space you have to hold people accountability.
	You know, accountable just like you would call, you would lovingly call out a real friend.
	But it's harmful because a lot of these men are looking up to certain men who spew a lot of this rhetoric and I'm not like referring to you specifically but these men will shame women and say that they're like getting played and that they're falling for the games and it's their fault and you know understandably, the lesson's the lesson.
	But these same men are falling for the men that they look up to, like running the same game on them.
	Like a lot of these men in these communities don't have integrity they're.
	They may be financially successful, but erroneous, Yeah, but they're grandstand.
	Keep going.
	It's not a moral grandstand.
	I really don't like everybody judges to an extent, but men are shaming women because women are picking shitty men.
	But are you and then also judging and shaming women for saying to choose better?
	So it's they're judging and shaming no matter what you do.
	It's a lose-lose situation, is what I'm saying.
	And I'm not even saying men.
	I'm saying the men in this community.
	I don't know specifically.
	It's not all men.
	I don't know specifically what you're talking about, but if a woman dates a guy who is a scumbag, that's on her.
	And people are fair to say you probably shouldn't have done that.
	Yeah, no, of course.
	If a guy dates away, but that's not shaming, that's just saying the truth.
	Raven dated $100.
	It's one thing to make sure that you're not going to be able to.
	It's another to keep dating the wrong guys and then not holding yourself accountable.
	So I'm just going to say, like, specifically, Andrew Tate, he is literally, it just got leaked that he's literally doing exactly allegedly what he's been accused of.
	And these men, these men are looking up to him and judging and blaming and shaming women for falling for the same type of guys that these men are falling for.
	These men are getting played by these men that they look up to and then judging and blaming women for getting played by the same kind of men.
	And that's just the silly thing that I'm saying.
	Well, I'm not sure specifically what you're referencing, but I would point out that I believe it was yesterday or the day before Andrew was actually released from house arrest.
	So who knows how the court case is going to proceed?
	Maybe they find him guilty, maybe they don't.
	In any case, it's a pending criminal case.
	Right.
	Innocent until proven guilty.
	We don't know what the situation is.
	And regardless if they find enough evidence to find Andrew Tate, I don't get it.
	Regardless if they find enough evidence against him, he's still, his voice is literally being emotionally, mentally, and physically abusive in these leaked messages.
	So regardless if they find enough evidence, I don't, I'm not really saying that.
	I don't disagree.
	Okay, I don't disagree.
	Hold on.
	I don't disagree with you.
	Andrew Tate has said from his own mouth some very damning things.
	For example, when he was on the Full Send, the Nilk podcast or whatever, he said that he would take men for everything that they had.
	And let me clarify.
	I don't think he verbatim said that, but he said that he was like behind the keyboard and he was managing OnlyFans Girls.
	And he my view is he did it sounded a little like fraud, but it's a real job.
	Get me in the next pod.
	I'm on YouTube.
	Hi, Sam.
	Hi, Sam.
	Miss you.
	Thank you, Sam.
	Look, I think Tate has said some damning things, but I can't be a mortal.
	But overall, he has some very good evidence.
	He has some good messages for men.
	Points.
	I want to say that I do agree.
	He does.
	I don't have to say he's made out to be so much more.
	It can be bad.
	It can be both.
	He's misconstrued by the media a lot of the times.
	Like, if you watch his whole podcast, he has some good stuff to say.
	And a lot of people are just mad because it's the truth and it targets a group of people that are not usually targeted.
	Yeah, and I understand that.
	And I'm not triggered by anything he does, says, or anything.
	My issue is more that it's like a harmful thing to spread.
	He does say a lot of very truthful things about men having integrity and being transparent.
	And yet the opposite is actually what he's doing.
	And this has happened a lot with people mirroring to the world To be this iconic man with integrity and yet very real things get leaked about them that shows otherwise.
	It's not just him.
	I don't have anything personal against him.
	I just think it's very okay.
	Get off your grandstand.
	We get it.
	Andrew Tate has said some damning things.
	Like, it's okay, cool.
	Are you going to land the plane?
	Are you arriving at your point?
	No, I already made it.
	Okay.
	That wasn't my point.
	All right, we have Ha Hawin, chess tat girl needs to shut the yapper.
	Yep, there you have it.
	And then we have Gianni.
	Hey, Camila, huge fan.
	Loved you in the Mr. Beast video.
	Hold on, it's getting pulled up.
	Was wondering if you could wish me a happy 12th birthday.
	Thank you.
	I just pooped my dance.
	There you have it.
	Happy 12th birthday.
	I love you.
	I don't know if it's going to get 12 years old.
	Yeah, there is.
	Gianni, happy 12th birthday, man.
	There you have it.
	Thank you for wishing him a happy birthday.
	Then we have Mr. Cappadocia, Hey, Thank you for the 50.
	Women have a psychological trait called own group preference, meaning men as group prioritize the well-being of women, and so do women.
	There have been experiments in this, but the real world makes it abundantly clear.
	Women have a I think it's in-group and out-group preference.
	So actually, women have an in-group preference, and actually, men have an out-group preference for women.
	So women have a very strong in-group preference for each other, and men have a slight out-group preference for women.
	Yes.
	So thank you, Mr. Cappadocia.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Ninja Smokehouse.
	Camila, it's unfortunate you've chosen to ruin your life so early.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Glad you like your nighttime routine.
	Red pill, this, red pill, that.
	Girl in the middle needs to take accountability for her bad decisions and stop giving advice.
	Corner girl is 4-11 Brian.
	I did make that very clear.
	Thank you.
	Oh, he's mentioning that because I only date women whose height starts with four.
	But yeah.
	All right.
	Jason Pistanath, 69, 69.
	Thank you, man.
	Girl in brown talking like we got all day.
	Move along, pal.
	Kate does it, pink.
	Oh, my God.
	Boom.
	Roasted.
	Okay.
	I think you asked your friends to send all that.
	Okay.
	No, it is what it is.
	I mean, you're making money, yeah?
	What's up?
	Can I add something?
	Last thing.
	I feel like you get pushback when your own masculine energy expresses truth, and then what they really want is their feminine energy really just wants to be like gossipy.
	That's really what it is.
	It's like it's just, they want entertainment.
	They don't want education.
	What do you mean?
	I'm not sure what you're talking about.
	Okay, so when a woman steps into her masculine energy and expresses a like a very clear truth that is against whatever said ideology, they who are supposed to be such high-value men, which I don't resonate with any of these terms, by the way, but they all they do is they like say a bunch of wild things and they just get in their feminine gossipy energy and yet they're masculine.
	That's just, there's just so much.
	It's just, there's so much hypocrisy in these communities.
	Well, who knows?
	But I mean, you've mentioned a couple of these buzzwords before.
	You keep mentioning the red pill.
	Look, red pill equals the truth, equals reality.
	See, it's an analogy from the film The Matrix.
	Seeing the world as it truly is, embracing the truth, even if said truth is painful or uncomfortable.
	Women can take the red pill too.
	Yes, I do.
	I love the Matrix movies and I completely understand this concept, but just because you're spewing some ideology, it does not make it the red pill truth because a bunch of wounded men who are just projecting at women feel that it is because it's making their ego feel better.
	But I mean, when it comes to objective truth, earlier on in the conversation, we were doing the one-to-ten rating system, and you refuse to have a good faith conversation about that.
	I didn't refuse to be good faith.
	Just because I'm not answering a question doesn't mean I'm bad faith.
	That's kind of bad faith.
	No, it's not.
	It's just something that it would go against a boundary of me.
	Like, I wouldn't answer this if I were, like, dating somebody.
	So, like, if I was on a date, I would not like answer this.
	So, why would I go against my own boundary and answer it then?
	It's not bad faith.
	I haven't yelled or screamed or done anything.
	I'm just speaking truth.
	I'm just being grounded.
	They say I'm triggered and upset.
	I'm not triggered.
	I'm not upset.
	There's nothing you could do say to trigger or upset me.
	Like, trust me.
	It's just funny.
	You give a little pushback and it's like, no.
	No.
	Well, we debate on the show, but I mean, and again, this really ties in.
	Like, one of the red pills a woman could take is not confusing sexual attraction for relationship attraction or marriage attraction.
	And we already talked about this.
	Men and women, we have different sexual strategies.
	So as a woman, you wouldn't want to project your experience onto how men operate.
	So as I already previously said, for a woman to sleep with a man, that man has to typically be at least physically attractive enough to be in a relationship with.
	Whereas men will sleep with women of a certain physical attractiveness.
	Oh, hold on.
	Jimmy Donaldson donated $99.
	Chest tap been pleading the fifth this whole damn time.
	Move it along, pal, go take care of your kids.
	Asian girl, please remove the headwear.
	Brian, I love the flannel.
	Keep up the hustle.
	Wednesday of dropping.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Look, the red pill would be just having an accurate self-assessment of your own physical attractiveness so that you can maneuver in the sexual marketplace, the relationship marketplace, the marriage marketplace accurately and not get hurt as a woman.
	I think there is some truth to what Red Pill says, but not everything.
	And I think this is another thing that gets tricky is because Andrew Tate, for example, I know he doesn't identify with Red Pill.
	I'm just using him as an extreme example because it's obvious and a lot of people.
	Okay, final points, and then we have to wrap up.
	He uses, a lot of pimps do this.
	Like, pimps will say complete, absolute truths.
	They will, like, shock you with some truth, and it will get you to trust them because you're like, well, he was honest about that.
	And he does this in certain instances.
	And this is what men do.
	This is what a lot of convincing men do to play women as well.
	Women could do it too, but I'm going to use this example with men.
	I'm not anti-men or anti-women.
	But so it's just, it's, and this is actually what drew me to Red Pill.
	I was like, oh my gosh, these guys actually are saying some truthful facts.
	Can you land the plane, please?
	But once you look into it deeper, there's a lot of hypocrisy and there's ultimately a lack of integrity, and it's feeding wounded men instead of guiding them to actually fully emotionally heal.
	It's superficial.
	They're chasing money and women.
	And that is not integrated masculine energy.
	Okay, quickly, can you give me three things that the supposed red pill gets wrong?
	One example is they, well, I'll just use, I think it was Rollo Tomasi.
	He specifically said that something along the lines of women find men who are with a bunch of women ideal.
	Like women go for men who have a lot of women.
	And actually, there's been a study on it, and I forget, it's like a letter, it's like HX or something, the study that was done that is actually contradictory to that because women cannot, women do not find that evolutionary, evolutionarily attractive because typically those men don't have enough resources to actually sustain their family and they would be abandoned.
	So that's just one.
	You said three.
	What is another?
	Hold on.
	Women.
	Women, absolutely, there's a component of social proof when it comes to what women find attractive.
	A lot of women will need cosigns from either their other girlfriends.
	They'll like check with their girlfriends.
	Oh, is this guy?
	What do you think about this guy?
	Men don't need cosigns from their male friends to pursue a chick.
	So, but this idea, if a guy is capable of getting 10 women, other women are going to find him attractive by virtue of social proof.
	Yeah, kind of like what we were talking about earlier, though.
	It's not really about is he capable.
	It's like, does he have strength over his lower desires?
	That's really what's ultimately attractive.
	Sure, some wounded women don't care, and they'll just take a man that like cheats on them or like as in an open relationship.
	And there can be positive open relationships.
	I'm not saying no really open relationships.
	Camilla, I just paid for your OnlyFans.
	Now I can't feel my left leg.
	Caitlin, can you feed me Grimm's Shakewire like people?
	Brian, take my innocence, please.
	Thank you for subscribing.
	Love you.
	Luke, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I don't know about the innocence thing, though.
	I'm not sure about that one, buddy.
	I wish we had more time to probably get into this.
	Really?
	I have many more, but I know you have to cut me off.
	Yeah, what?
	And like, I don't know.
	There's like that red pill ideology, and then there's just generally the red pill.
	So, look, I don't claim to subscribe to a red pill ideology.
	Like, I just use red pill as an analogy for the truth.
	For example, Lizzo's not a 10.
	To me, that is the truth.
	She's obese.
	You cannot be a 10 and be obese.
	Do you object to that?
	I don't deal with the numerical.
	I'm not dealing with that numerical stance.
	We keep going to the physical attractiveness thing.
	It's important.
	Don't you think that physical attractiveness is important when you're trying to scout, though?
	I mean, physical attractiveness is someone that you're not attracted to.
	Of course, but it's on both sides.
	It's not just one-sided.
	And also, like, you know, they say, like, whatever, certain things.
	Each culture finds very largely different things attractive.
	Even women have, people have different preferences.
	Some people would find that.
	There is no culture in the world for either men or women that finds obesity attractive across the board.
	You, okay, yeah, I understand this, but you're using a rather extreme example.
	It's not extreme.
	What percentage of people are obese?
	Was it 50% or something?
	Yeah, it's not an extreme Example.
	It's not an extremely less, but it's never just because one little thing hasn't ever been like a characterization of physical attractiveness doesn't, I don't know.
	It's do you think, okay, do you think Lizzo's a 10th?
	Oops.
	I don't.
	I'm not doing the scale thing.
	It's pointless.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, we're going to.
	I'm not getting anywhere, so we're going to wrap there.
	If you want, you can come back.
	I know we had a little heated discussion, but we could pick it up another time.
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	Tristan Tate donated $99.
	That's the thing.
	Lizzo is 100% a 10th.
	She's so bad FR.
	I would let her lick Big Mac sauce off my left cheek.
	Sorry, Brian.
	Gonna have to disagree.
	Well, there you have it, Tristan Tate.
	I guess everybody has their taste.
	So there you go.
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