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ØF Lawyer vs. Lauren Chen HEATED DEBATE! | Dating Talk #92

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	And yeah, without further ado, guys, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	My name is Jasmine Jafar.
	I'm 28, and I am an OnlyFans creator and a licensed attorney.
	When you say licensed, so you pass the bar.
	Yes.
	Which state?
	I don't like to say.
	I could tell you off air, but just for privacy reasons, because I'm still a member of a bar in some state.
	Yes, so I am a member of the bar, and I could represent you in that state as an attorney.
	But I don't practice right now in the sense of it's not part of my day-to-day.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm Shanaya.
	I'm 26 and I'm a model and I also work in a hotel.
	I'm Haley.
	I'm 20.
	I work as a flight instructor and I'm a student at UCSB studying geographical information systems.
	Flight instructor.
	So you know how to fly?
	That's correct.
	I teach other people how to fly.
	Do you own an aircraft?
	I do.
	A little one.
	You own the aircraft?
	Yeah, it's the family airplane.
	The family airplane.
	Okay.
	Is it a Cessna?
	That's correct.
	It's a Cessna 172.
	1981.
	It's really cute.
	It's from 81.
	Yep.
	The ones I fly every day at work are even older.
	Wow, okay.
	How long have you been flying?
	Maybe three or four years at this point.
	Do you also own a horse?
	No, but my husband's horse person.
	I used to fox hunt regularly.
	Fox hunt?
	Yeah, like the old English sport with hounds and scenting and such.
	I've been to Ireland for it and such.
	Yeah, it's pretty fun.
	You went to Ireland?
	Yeah, to hunt foxes?
	Yeah, in the winter, too.
	That's how dedicated I am.
	Okay.
	And are you wanting to go into aviation as a career?
	Yeah, that's the plan right now.
	You want to fly commercial or whatever?
	Yeah, airlines would be the end goal.
	They make decent money, right?
	Yeah, pretty good.
	And right now there's such a pilot shortage, it's the right time to get into it.
	So you want to fly like a 747?
	Well, probably a 787, but yeah.
	Is that like the nicer one that's coming out?
	Is it big?
	Yeah.
	It's a jumbo jet.
	Yeah, like the transatlantic stuff.
	What do you think about like the hype?
	What is it coming?
	Like they're redoing the Concorde?
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Yeah, well, there's a reason the Concorde failed in the first place, and I don't think that they're going to be able to fix those problems.
	Is it hypersonic?
	Is that what it's called?
	Hypersonic flight?
	Yeah.
	I thought they were.
	I think American Airlines is trying to reintroduce, you know?
	I don't know why, because the noise issue of the sonic boom is you can't go, you have to be over the ocean.
	And also, they're not very efficient.
	Like, you can't make that much noise.
	Yeah, but you can go really fast.
	Yeah, but like short flight, right?
	Yeah, it's cool, but it's not very profitable.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Lauren.
	I am 29 and a TPUSA contributor, as well as a Blaze TV host and YouTuber.
	All right, welcome.
	You said 29, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Madison.
	My name is Madison.
	I'm 18 years old.
	I'm the secretary to Kiki on the Whatever podcast, and I'm a host at a bar as well as a student at Santa Barbara City College studying business.
	I changed.
	Okay, welcome.
	Everybody, so we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is your current relationship status?
	Are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult?
	Also, how long have you been single, if you're single?
	And what's your longest relationship ever?
	Go ahead.
	So I am single.
	I've been single since November of 2020.
	And my longest relationship was around four years.
	I'm single.
	I've been single since last December.
	And my longest relationship was seven-ish months.
	I have a boyfriend, and my longest relationship was about a year.
	I'm married, and my longest relationship is with my husband.
	We have our seventh anniversary coming up in October.
	All right.
	I'm Taken.
	I'm in a very committed relationship with my boyfriend.
	Currently, 11 months, almost 12, and this is my longest relationship.
	Your current relationship, you said, is that your one-year one?
	No, this one's only been seven or eight months.
	Did you take him up on flights?
	Does he fly too?
	No, he doesn't.
	What the hell?
	But we've been flying a bit.
	What's that always sunny joke, like taking someone on a boat because of the implication?
	Is that the same with aviation?
	Like, if you take someone up to fly, because of the implication, you know?
	You know, I have not heard that.
	You don't know?
	Don't know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So I guess not.
	You'd have to be familiar with the reference.
	Okay.
	The first time you ever took him up, did he squeal?
	Was there any squealing from the boyfriend?
	He didn't stop smiling.
	Oh, he was stoked.
	He was very excited.
	Would it be like a turnoff for you had he been terrified?
	Yes, and the previous boyfriend was a little scared.
	And he only went flying once and didn't last much longer after that.
	So it's a deal breaker for you if your partner isn't on flying.
	It's not that scary.
	I don't know.
	I mean, you're the pilot, so.
	Yeah, if they can't trust me, I mean, that's going to be a problem.
	But in like a little small, dingy aircraft, you know.
	Yeah, but this is what I do for work.
	Yeah.
	Okay, very cool.
	It's not like I'm just some rando off the street here.
	Word?
	Well, you kind of are, but.
	No, literally, in this case.
	All right, so Jasmine, you're single.
	Yes.
	But you shoot with a guy, correct?
	Because you make content.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	But you're not in a.
	I guess, since you said friends with benefits, I guess it would be a friends with benefits situation.
	Okay.
	Depending on how you're going to define that.
	And so, just going back to your career, so you are a licensed attorney.
	However, you don't practice because you do OnlyFans.
	Yeah, so I quit my job at my firm last April, I want to say, so I could focus on my OnlyFans career.
	And I'm very happy with that decision.
	What's the kind of money, comparatively speaking, that you're making compared to being an attorney?
	So attorneys like six figures a year.
	OnlyFans is six figures a month.
	So quite a difference.
	You make six figures a month?
	Yes.
	Mid six figures, low six?
	Like most low, usually.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	Now, why?
	Because, I mean, being an attorney, I think it's a fairly well-esteemed career.
	Why did you...
	You're self-described 3-0-4 lawyer.
	3-0-4.
	And you also said I was just too sexy to be a lawyer.
	True.
	You've got a huge natural G-cup, so much more profitable.
	Jealous.
	Okay.
	So you were recently on Fresh and Fit.
	I was.
	And you got into quite a back and forth with Myron.
	I did.
	What was the big argument that you guys got into about?
	I think we argued about everything.
	Like, I was talking the whole time.
	That was one of the issues other people had.
	So we got into quite a bit.
	His views are a lot more radical than yours.
	So I kind of disagree with him on pretty much everything.
	Well, yeah, I think you guys touched on body count quite a bit.
	And then also just you felt that.
	I shouted you guys out.
	I said you guys are more professional.
	Did you catch that?
	I don't like to talk poorly, but I guess thank you for the shout out.
	Although you were kind of throwing them under the bus and so doing.
	They deserve it.
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	Don't get me into trouble here.
	All right.
	So the big thing, though, that I saw that you got into an argument about was, you know, there's a debate between you two that Because that you do OnlyFans, that's going to have a negative impact on your future relationship prospects.
	Yes.
	So I don't think it will.
	Disagree, agree.
	I don't think it'll, yeah, I don't think it'll impact my future dating prospects.
	That may not be the case for everybody.
	The kind of guys I like to date, whether now or before I started in OnlyFans, wouldn't be the kind of guys who have an issue with it.
	The one area that may be impacted is I want to keep doing BG content.
	So the kind of guy wouldn't have an issue with me doing OnlyFans, but it is fair maybe if he doesn't want to be on my OnlyFans.
	So that's something I might have to navigate, but the OnlyFans on its own won't be.
	Well, what's the type of guy that you want to date?
	Somebody who shares my values and doesn't value things like sexual purity or correlate modesty, whether it's digital or in-person with morality, somebody who, you know, liberal, shares my values, and that's pretty common, especially in academia.
	I mean, academia leans left.
	You don't find people, even like conservatives, they may have personal moral qualms with it, but they're not like, at least in lawyer world, they're not like 304.
	They don't engage like your audience does.
	So you want to date a more liberal guy?
	Yeah, always.
	And do you consider yourself to be liberal?
	Yeah, libertarian left, probably center left, depends on the issue.
	Okay.
	Well, let's actually go around the table because I think politics is very intimately tied to some degree to dating.
	Exactly.
	Because obviously he wants to be with someone who shares your values.
	What's everyone's political leanings, whether you're left, right, moderate, apolitical?
	I think I'm apolitical.
	So is that where you're just not political?
	Pretty much.
	Yeah, so apolitical.
	Fairly progressive, left, yeah.
	Fairly progressive?
	Okay.
	Well, I introduced myself as working with TPUSA and Blaze TV, which if you're familiar with them, I don't think it would surprise anyone to know that I am right-wing.
	Okay.
	I would say I'm pretty moderate, a little more right-leaning.
	Okay.
	Just because I grew up with my family, just naturally being pretty traditional.
	Ties.
	Okay.
	So we can definitely dive into some of the more politics-related issues later on in the show.
	But so I think one of the things that you were talking about is you won't have an issue getting a guy who's a lawyer.
	Is that your type, a lawyer?
	Not really.
	I dated a guy in law school, but besides that, they're not.
	They can be.
	I like guys that are smart.
	I like guys that I feel like are on the same level as me intellectually, mentally, and those things.
	But like, for instance, before I even started doing this, so before like two years ago, I didn't have an Instagram or anything.
	Like I had no digital footprint.
	And there was one guy that I like went on one date with, and he made a comment like, oh, it's really nice you don't have an Instagram because girls that look like you are usually showing off their bodies on Instagram.
	I ghosted him after that.
	Like I'm just not into that kind of thinking at all.
	So when I say he said, oh, it's nice you don't have an Instagram because usually girls are showing off their bodies on Instagram.
	So I didn't have an Instagram and a lot of guys thought that was cool, but I care why you thought that was cool.
	Do you think it's cool because I'm just more present, that I want to live life, that I don't really spend my time on social media?
	That's cool.
	But if you like that I don't have an Instagram because I'm not showing my body off, even when I wasn't, I had no interest in men like that, then or now.
	So a guy wanting a girl who has limited or no social media presence or isn't posting revealing photos, that to you is a deal breaker.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	And that was then and now.
	So do you, why do you think men might care about that sort of thing?
	There's a multitude of reasons, all of which are deal breakers.
	So he could just have more religious or conservative social values, which I don't, and that's never going to work.
	He could be insecure.
	He could be territorial.
	So there's not a single reason I could think of that I would not consider it to be a deal breaker.
	So that's just for me now.
	Maybe different for other people.
	So you're perfect guy, right?
	My perfect guy.
	On this one thing he doesn't want.
	He wouldn't be my perfect guy.
	Like, that's literally the foundation of what you're looking for first is people who share your values.
	So he couldn't even begin to be my perfect guy if.
	Sure.
	Well, let's go around the table on that.
	So would you have an issue dating a guy?
	Would it be a deal breaker as it is for her for a guy to not want you to be posting revealing photos on social media?
	I mean, it's kind of tricky for me now.
	I've recently gotten into modeling again, and I usually do swimwear, and so my body is posted a lot.
	So if he has a problem, I don't think it would be as strong of a deal-breaker, but it would probably be a topic of conversation quite frequently between us because that's part of it.
	Okay.
	That's not something I typically post.
	That's just not what my Instagram looks like.
	So it's never something that's been an issue.
	And your Instagram is, oh, hold on.
	Bender the Offender donated $99.
	Hey, thank you, Bender.
	One of the topics that she debated Myron on is the corn industry is ethical.
	I can do that again.
	Maybe we'll touch on it later, but hey, Bender, good to see you in the chat, man.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Your Instagram's private, correct?
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's not that exciting.
	I used to race mountain bikes, so it's mostly pictures of that.
	Aviation photos?
	Yeah, lots of airplanes, too.
	Okay.
	Lauren, your thoughts?
	It wouldn't be a deal-breaker if my husband said, don't post provocative photos of yourself.
	I don't do that, and I think that's, I mean, tacitly our understanding that I wouldn't do that.
	My husband is, I would say, even more socially conservative than I am.
	And I think it's true what you said about values.
	So for he and I, that's something we share, so it's not an issue.
	I don't really think it's a deal-breaker either.
	I mean, you model, so I guess for every other model, that's like a whole different story, but I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone to want that.
	So what you're saying is neither of you two could date Jonah Hill.
	No.
	I don't think Jonah will want to date me.
	I'm just type and the feeling's mutual.
	Yeah, no.
	I believe our remaining guest has arrived.
	Nick, if you want to go ahead and grab him.
	we have one last person joining us uh if you're just tuning in uh hurricane so it's uh an earthquake Yeah, there's also an Earthquake, guys.
	Oh, that's right.
	We should have pulled it up.
	Here.
	Ah, shoot.
	That's what I forgot to do.
	Well, when Nick is back, we can pull up.
	But basically, the path of the hurricane just barely missed Santa Barbara.
	So we're so far doing okay.
	So, okay.
	Major deal breaker.
	Yes.
	But you used to not post revealing photos, and the guy liked that.
	Yeah, that was a deal-breaker.
	So he liked what you were doing.
	He liked.
	So, yeah, a few years ago, I was just a lawyer.
	Oh, hold on just a second.
	Pseudonated $99.
	Men don't want women who show themselves off online.
	It shows you have no self-respect or that you feel like you have no other value than your body.
	No, it shows that you don't have respect for me or that you think I don't have any other value than my body.
	That's not how I feel.
	We don't want women who show.
	It shows you have no self-respect or that feel like you have no other value than your body.
	I have tons of value to myself.
	He may not think so, but who cares what he thinks?
	His name is, what was his name?
	Whatever.
	User227 something.
	Yeah.
	By the way, guys, my voice is all fucked up because I was sick.
	So, yeah, it's.
	I have a question for Jasmine.
	What made you kind of like transform from your attorney job to just doing OnlyFans?
	So I guess I got to go back to like the reason I was an attorney.
	I grew up in a Iranian immigrant household, so they have like really stringent academic expectations on us.
	It's like the traditional doctor, lawyer, engineer path.
	My mom's a lawyer.
	My sister's, like everyone in my family is a lawyer.
	So I kind of was, it's not like I was doing it because I was like, I've always wanted to be a lawyer.
	It's what I've wanted to do since I was a little girl.
	I'm just like book smart.
	And so I knew it wouldn't be like too difficult to become one.
	So when it was getting closer to graduation, I was like, everyone else was really excited to graduate.
	And I was like, this isn't what I want to do.
	But I thought I didn't have a choice.
	So it was actually when I was studying for the bar that I just started the OnlyFans, not knowing that it would turn into what it is.
	And then when I saw that it could definitely be a career for me, it was like a no-brainer.
	So more time, money, happiness, freedom.
	How did you like discover it?
	Because you said you like didn't really have any socials.
	Like you never really posted things.
	Yeah, so I heard of it in 2020 when the pandemic was happening.
	And so I heard of it, but it was just not something I thought I could do because I didn't have any social media.
	I actually had a friend in law school who had one too.
	And she started it first.
	I was like, okay, if she can do it, maybe I can do it.
	So that's kind of how it started.
	What was your first impression of hearing it?
	Because I thought it was cool.
	I was like, cool.
	A way for people to make money.
	Okay.
	Yeah, especially women?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So your whole family's lawyers.
	My dad's an engineer, but like my sister and my mom are lawyers and like a bunch of my cousins.
	Mom.
	And my sister, before anyone asks, she's a lawyer.
	She's a normal lawyer, not an OnlyFans lawyer.
	She actually still doesn't know.
	Because people ask that, no.
	My sister's a goodie two-shoes.
	Do you have any brothers?
	No, no brothers.
	Just one sister.
	Just one sister.
	Okay.
	What was your parents' reaction to you starting OnlyFans?
	They were fucking pissed.
	They were really mad.
	I told them myself, and they didn't talk to me for a few months.
	They knew before I got my firm position.
	And when I got that, they kind of texted me like, okay, it's really good you got this job now.
	You can quit the bullshit, whatever.
	And I was like, no.
	So there was actually a moment where I had like an ultimatum.
	So I'm really close to my dad.
	And when he found out, now I know they had like some family meeting because my dad is never this like well-spoken.
	And so he called me and he was just like super calm.
	He's like, and I was super both emotionally dependent on my parents and at the time financially.
	So they supported me through law school.
	I did get a full ride to my school.
	So they supported me with all the other finances and stuff.
	And my dad had actually recently bought a house for me to live in and stuff.
	And he calls me and he's like, you, you know what?
	This is a terrible thing you're doing.
	You don't have to do this.
	This is only for girls who are from those kind of families.
	Like all of those traditional stereotypes you get with like the adult content industry.
	And he's like, okay, if you stop now, it's fine.
	Like if you stop now, it's fine.
	You can keep the money or I think you should donate it to charity, but just stop now.
	Go down the right path.
	And that was the first time in my life that I was just like, I remember being on the phone.
	I was just like, no.
	And they were like so confused because that's not something that I ever normally did.
	That's just so our people in our culture aren't raised like that, and we don't normally do that.
	So they were pissed.
	They didn't talk to me for a few months, but now they got over it.
	So.
	My dad actually set up my ring light in my company, please.
	When did you reveal?
	How long ago did you reveal to your parents?
	Oh, like within a few months of me starting it because we were so close that I wasn't going to be good at keeping the secret.
	I was still using like my dad's credit card for everything, and now I have my own money, and it was just gonna, it was gonna come out anyway.
	Okay, are you back on good terms?
	Yes.
	So it's kind of now we have kind of like a don't ask, don't tell policy, at least with my dad.
	With my, it's like they know, but they're just like, okay, don't talk to me about it.
	And then with my mom, I'm always like trying to debate her and get it.
	So she actually is afraid to talk about it with me because she knows I'm just going to be ready to go.
	Okay, you have a problem with sex work?
	Let's hear it, kind of thing.
	So she kind of just does a note, don't ask, don't tell kind of thing, too.
	Okay.
	Well, welcome to the panel.
	Hello.
	Let's have you name, age, occupation, please.
	Yes.
	Hi, I'm Emily Rainey.
	I'm 26, and I do social media and OnlyFans.
	Relationship status.
	I'm in a relationship.
	How long?
	Actually, yesterday was four years since we met, but we became official November four years ago.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	Thank you.
	And did you say your career?
	Social media and OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Are you and your father on good terms?
	We are.
	So me and my father are super close, like super close.
	He spoiled me my whole life.
	So he couldn't actually stay mad at me.
	He lasted about three or four months.
	But that was like the longest he's ever been mad at me.
	And now he's just like, all right.
	And now he just lectured with me on saving the money.
	You know.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	You do OnlyFans.
	Did you reveal to your parents that you make adult content?
	Well, they know I do OnlyFans.
	I haven't necessarily revealed that I do adult content, but I'm pretty sure they have a good idea.
	You haven't come out of the closet to them?
	Yeah, like I've never explicitly said.
	Yeah, I mean, I've said like, oh, yeah, like I post like topless, but I've never said like anything past that.
	I think they suspect it, but I honestly.
	Can you just scoot your microphone a little bit to the left?
	Oh, this way.
	Yeah, perfect.
	Good.
	Okay, well, welcome.
	Lauren, what are your thoughts on adult content?
	Do you think adult content should be banned?
	Banned is all my libertarian followers are going to be like, no, it shouldn't be banned.
	I think it is not healthy for individuals or for society.
	Whether it should be banned by the government.
	I tend to be more small government, so outright banned.
	I could have a conversation with someone who agrees with it being banned, and I could maybe have some common ground.
	I'm at the very least in favor of very strict age restrictions like we're beginning to see some states introduce.
	And I just think that if you're pro-woman, which I am, it's amazing that you're doing so well on OnlyFans, but I think it's important that we have a conversation about the majority of women who are not doing so well on OnlyFans and who do regret participating in different sex work.
	I feel like any time we talk about OnlyFans as content creators, it's usually focusing on the people who are making millions.
	And I think that incentivizes a lot of women to get into it just for the money when odds are there's not going to be any money for them and it may be something they're regretting.
	So I agree with you that there are things people should look at before starting OnlyFans.
	There are consequences to it and you're right.
	It's people who are just trying to jump into it for a quick buck to make money.
	Don't recommend that those girls start it.
	I was really lucky because when I started, I had this whole other career in front of me, so I didn't do anything I was uncomfortable with.
	I was kind of like, okay, if I make money, like whatever.
	But people who are like, I need money, let me start it.
	I don't think that you should, especially if you're younger.
	Yeah, I agree with you there.
	Didn't they do some bands?
	Oh, hold on.
	Wiley Coyote 5.0 donated $99.
	To the future pilot, hello from Zamb.
	Good luck with your CFI.
	Fly safe and hope to talk to you on frequency soon.
	God bless.
	Do you have anything to say to Wiley Coyote?
	Blue skies.
	Blue skies.
	Thank you.
	Is that it?
	Okay.
	That was nice.
	By the way, guys, the sky is.
	It's like magically clear.
	I'm so worried.
	Look at the rainbow.
	Oh, is it visible?
	Yeah, there's a huge rainbow.
	Can you guys see it?
	Hold on, let me.
	It's like a little.
	They can see like a shadow of it.
	But it's really like vibrant in person.
	It's really pretty.
	Whoa, there's a double rainbow.
	Oh, you're right.
	Because I thought you guys were talking about this one.
	And then I looked over and said...
	Level the playing field.
	I'd be cur.
	I don't do divorces, but I'd be weary of that.
	That sounds like inadequate disclosure, which could throw out a prenup.
	Oh, we have another one there.
	Bender the offender donated $99.
	Jasmine, if you told a man you're into that you did not listen to your parents, I guarantee that he is thinking if she didn't listen to her parents, why would she listen to me?
	Your response to Bender.
	If he's sitting across from me wondering why would she listen to me, then yeah, we're not compatible.
	He should get up and leave.
	There you go.
	Absolutely.
	There you have it, Bender.
	TJ, just to address your chat here that came in.
	Offshore asset protection.
	I think that's you have to be pretty wealthy for it to become worth it, I think, to put your assets offshore.
	That's usually like people that have what mid seven-figure what you looks like.
	You're private debts.
	Your parents meet.
	No.
	It also depends on how you make your money.
	I mean, if you're making money in the United States, you have to pay Uncle Sam.
	Like if you have offshore revenue streams, then you would maybe be able to structure things in terms of like shell corporations.
	But the U.S. has worldwide taxation.
	So the IRS will get you wherever you are, I guess.
	Taxation is theft.
	Oh, based.
	Okay, there you have it.
	But yeah, it's pretty complicated.
	I thought when you're in billionaire status, that's when you're thinking about moving your shit offshore.
	I don't know.
	I don't think that's a good divorce strategy because if you had a prenup, I think that would be considered an adequate disclosure and that would throw out your prenup.
	I'm not 100% sure.
	I never did divorce.
	But do you believe in prenups?
	Yeah, I 100% believe in prenups.
	I think everyone should get a prenup.
	Are you going to have a prenup?
	100%.
	I don't even.
	I don't want to get married.
	But I would maybe get married for the social, economic, whatever benefits there are.
	But I wouldn't get married in the sense that we're going to be together forever until Death Does PR.
	I'm not in favor of that.
	But if I were to get the actual legal marriage, I would 100% have a prenup.
	Whether they made more money or I made more money.
	I mean, I guess if they made more money and they're like, whatever, then sure.
	But.
	Jasmine, can I have you read this chat, please?
	Absolutely.
	If any of you idiots in the chat sub to these girls OF, I will find out and shame you publicly.
	This lawyer wants a simp cuck beta as a guy who has no masculine traits that kisses her sloppy force after a day of shooting.
	Worst decision was leaving law for, oh, that was hard to read.
	The grammar and spelling in your audiences, like, it's not even like sixth grade proficient.
	But sure, publicly shame people.
	Go for it.
	You seem very happy.
	Okay, there you have it.
	We have.
	Pico.
	Oh.
	Costeines donated $500.
	Brian Atlas shrugged.
	I concur and support.
	Big labia matter.
	However, I want to reassure ladies on the panel that all labia matter.
	Say no to labia plasty.
	Ladies love your parts.
	Word?
	Word.
	I am fervently anti-labia polacy and on that note, actually, plastic surgery.
	Not a fan.
	Okay.
	You got any plastic surgery, Jasmine?
	No, but I have filler.
	Jasmine.
	No, these literally, these are.
	No, I'm not talking there.
	I believe you there.
	Where?
	Do you have lip filler?
	Yeah, but that's not plastic surgery.
	That's filler.
	Okay, cosmetic.
	Yes, I have limiters.
	Is it 400 cosmetic surgery?
	I have filler in my face.
	Do you have lipo?
	No.
	Jasmine.
	Don't lie to me.
	I've looked like this since I was like, literally, people who went to middle school and high school with me can tell can tell you.
	I was known in middle school and high school as the girl with the huge tits and the tiny waist.
	So unless I got it when I was like 13, because that's when my reputation started as the girl with the huge tits, yeah.
	And my tits are clearly real.
	You guys are all two clicks away from figuring that out.
	You should go check it out.
	There's people that are natural in the world like that.
	Yeah.
	I'm pretty sure.
	What, what, what?
	You want to see?
	No, I don't.
	But I have had filler.
	Fucking Twitter, though.
	Yeah.
	You sure you didn't get the like?
	No, but wait for the Twitter ribs.
	No, but I did sleep.
	I sleep in a corset a lot, and that's helped.
	But I've always had a really like, look at my rib cage.
	Like, this is just where my rib cage is.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	If you say so.
	Pico Steins.
	Thank you very much for your very generous donation.
	Much appreciated.
	Anybody else here ever considered doing plastic surgery?
	So I've actually had two plastic surgeries, but they were reconstructive after a mountain bike crash on my face.
	So you see how the side of my lip is a little lopsided?
	And then I also have a scar on the side of my nose.
	So I've had some surgeries for that, but not just.
	To fix a, not for purely cosmetic reasons.
	Not purely cosmetic, but I had him do a few extra things while I was there.
	Okay, all right.
	I'm not against it.
	Like, I've done cool sculpting, but that's not.
	I've had filler under my eye.
	I get asked about that all the time.
	I don't want to hide it, but I also don't want to be the person where it's like, you have to get it.
	Like, I don't want to be promoting it, but I also don't feel like I should hide it.
	So it's kind of, it's hard to.
	And I would definitely, like, if I have kids, I'm going to get a mommy makeover the next day.
	So.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	There you have it, folks.
	There you have it.
	We have.
	San Diego Fuego donated $100.
	Hey, Brixon, love the show.
	I'm 21 years old and I go to UC San Diego.
	My girlfriend is a feminist.
	Last night we had an argument.
	She kept talking about male privilege.
	Question for the panel.
	Do you think male privilege and or white privilege exists?
	Yeah, we can talk about that.
	Go ahead, Jasmine.
	Do I think it exists?
	Yes.
	Male privilege?
	Yeah.
	White privilege, both.
	Yeah.
	Especially if we're looking at it worldwide.
	Is there, what about female privilege?
	Yeah.
	I think gender inequality can go both ways.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I mean, there's even pretty privilege.
	There's like almost anything can be a privilege in some way.
	Yeah, true.
	I agree with that, and I also think it's important to determine the situation it's in.
	Like, in my line of work, there's so few women that it absolutely male privilege is super strong.
	But, you know, that definitely is not the case across the board.
	You mean in aviation?
	In aviation.
	Male privilege is pronounced in aviation?
	Yeah.
	It's hard because there's so few women.
	I think only it's maybe 4%, 4% to 6% of commercial pilots are women.
	And because of that, of course, companies are always trying to diversify.
	So there's always a lot of push to just hire women regardless of their ability level.
	And because of that, generally, men in the industry typically treat women as if they're not as skilled just because of how companies tend to hire people based on diversity hire type situations.
	And because of that, men are definitely treated better and thought of as better pilots across the board.
	Question though.
	Do you think there's like, so if there's a discrepancy in the workforce, do you think it's always explained by sexism?
	No.
	Well, partially, right?
	So, I mean, Richard Reeves' book just really explained this.
	And I don't remember who the researchers he referenced was, but, like, for instance, we often hear that women like people and boys like things.
	And that may be true on average, but they did a study where I think there's like 5 to 15% female engineers and like a small percentage of nurses.
	But they did a study that if there was complete gender equality and people were free to choose whatever profession they want, it'd be about 30% male nurses and 30% female engineers.
	So it's showing that, yes, in general.
	Alvin Sam donated $99.
	Jasmine, it's laughable and hypocritical that you have ethical discernment about the corn industries, but you cannot accept ethical discernment from men about female modesty, which is what our mothers and grandmothers expect out of a woman.
	Our grandmothers and mothers, our great-grandmothers were racist.
	Like there's a we've obviously evolved, and if you guys want to get into a discussion on ethics and where you get your ethics, we can.
	That'll be a deep philosophical conversation, but we can get it.
	We can do it if you want.
	I think you were.
	Oh, yeah.
	So it would be around like 30%.
	Yeah, 30% female engineers and like 30% male nurses or something around that.
	Don't quote me on the exact percentage.
	So yes, there would still be more male engineers than female engineers, but there would be more female engineers than there are now.
	So it's not all nature and it's not all nurture.
	It's a mix.
	But I've read or heard of other studies where, or for example, in certain Scandinavian countries where they've done the most to try to equalize things between the genders, you actually see more pronounced differences.
	In what context?
	Like, this is just a study done.
	When it comes to the types of employment that people pursue.
	Like I said, you'll still see a difference on average, but how large that difference is, in what?
	Well, like, I think, for example, countries that are perhaps a bit more Engulfed that have higher rates of poverty, it's actually you're more likely to see women become engineers in those kind of societies.
	So, you're saying in countries that have more pro-social policies, maybe women are able, people are able to get by on a one-person income, and maybe they if you want to jump in.
	I think I'm familiar with your the study that you're talking about.
	I know Jordan Peterson references it.
	So, the Scandinavian countries, they're probably best known for being very progressive socially.
	They have a lot of like pro-equality and egalitarian policies.
	When we look at their economies, they're actually more gender-segregated than economies like the U.S. in terms of women gravitating more toward things like early childhood education or childcare, men gravitating toward things like in the STEM field.
	So, there's less gender equality displayed real world in job professions when we have more, I guess, personal freedom and agency.
	I don't know the study that you're referencing, though, and how it went with.
	James Wong, it's in Richard Reeves's book, and he's talked about it before, like on Michael Sartain's podcast, too.
	So, that was that study.
	I also would think in countries like that, there are more pro-family policies that allow people to get by on like a one-person income.
	So, I think it would make sense that there would be a lot more women maybe in those societies who can stay home and choose to stay home because one part person has to, or unless you want to pay for childcare, stay home.
	And maybe in general, women are more likely to make that choice.
	Any responses?
	I don't know what the rates are for, like, I guess, women in those countries choosing to be stay-at-home mothers, but it's interesting because those like very pro-family policies do exist in those Scandinavian countries, and I often hear them brought up when it comes to things like in the U.S., there's no guaranteed maternity leave.
	And the population, I guess, it's in decline because of the birth rate.
	I think it's 1.6 in the U.S., and obviously, replacement is 2.1.
	So, anytime people bring this up, it's very common to say, well, it's because we don't have pro-family policies.
	Of course, people can't have kids, it's too expensive.
	We don't have childcare, we don't have MATLAB or paternity leave.
	It's interesting because the countries that do have those pro-social policies, pro-family policies, they actually sometimes even have lower birth rates than the United States.
	So, it's not necessarily the case that, oh, if we just give people more government benefits or guarantees when they have a family, they'll be encouraged to have a family.
	Yeah, I didn't necessarily say that.
	I think one of the reasons from what I've read that the birth rate is declining here is because we have less young, young people, teen pregnancies, just adolescent risk behavior has just gone down in general.
	Less drunk driving, less.
	That's also one of the reasons people are having less sex that you always point to, men having less sex, and women under 30, is because, especially under 25, is because people are getting married later, they're starting families later, they're having kids later.
	So, that is also contributing to a lot of these stats.
	More?
	I don't really buy into this privilege concept, though.
	I don't believe in men.
	Either way, but you believe in female privilege.
	Oh, for sure.
	Yeah, thank you, Brad.
	Heard you talk about how the size of your breasts will make more money than being a lawyer.
	One that is incorrect, however, despite that, is money more important in your life than self-respect, value, and serving the community in better ways.
	Okay, so no, nothing is more important to me than my self-respect and my values, but you don't share my values.
	So, my money is definitely more important than your values and your respect of me.
	Also, it is definitely correct that you can make more money doing this.
	Hold on just a sec.
	Can you read this?
	Actually, it didn't come through.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Do you think if a man buys something like a fleshy pro, which you would probably call a diminishes a man's masculinity, is there a double standard when it comes to societal acceptance of women buying sex toys compared to men?
	Ooh, a correct overall correct.
	Yeah, we could talk.
	We could talk about that.
	What I was saying is, like, my job as a lawyer when I was doing a lot of estate planning was like I was helping rich people avoid paying estate tax.
	Like, you think that's a better help to the community?
	I mean, there's just like this pressure on sex workers.
	Like, oh my god, what are you doing to help the community when a lot of other jobs, some attorneys, you could argue, aren't doing much to help the community either.
	Do you think you could create like a discount code for people that are low earners for your content?
	I keep my prices really low.
	It's only $6.99.
	I could be charging a lot more, especially with the amount of content I have on there.
	I also go live once a week, completely naked.
	Do you think there should be like a government, the government should, you know, in the same way that there's like SNAP benefits, like CalFresh, like food benefits, like maybe like a monthly allowance for I think if we were to monetize all porn, then yes.
	But it's not all monetized yet, though.
	So government-funded.
	Yeah, if we monetize all porn, sure.
	I'm kidding.
	Let's not do that.
	Okay.
	So there was another one that came through that we were trying to read.
	Hold on, let me pull that one back up.
	He was talking about use of adult toys.
	And he says that there's a double standard when it comes to societal acceptance between men and women on that.
	Let me ask this.
	Let me frame it like this.
	Would it be a turnoff for you if you found out that a potential boyfriend, a guy that you're going to date, he had some toys that were made for men for male use?
	Like what?
	Like a fleshlight type of.
	No, that wouldn't bother me.
	The only thing that would bother me if it was like a toy that indicated he had a fetish that I didn't have, and that fetish was really central to his sexuality.
	Like I just like me and my partner should be really sexually compatible.
	So if he had a lot of like butt toys, it's not my thing to engage in that with guys.
	I don't think there's a problem with it, but I wouldn't find us to be super sexually compatible, which that would be my issue.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't have a problem at all.
	I usually date people that live far away from me.
	So I understand that everyone has needs and your partner's not there to fulfill them.
	I think I would be a little taken aback if they tried to use it while I was there, especially like a fleshlight.
	I don't think I would see the point if I was there, but yeah, I agree with that.
	If I'm there, then I would be a little bit weirded out by that.
	Like, I would maybe feel like something was wrong with me or something like that.
	But, you know, in general, it's not a problem.
	Yeah, I don't see it as a problem really at all.
	I like personally want someone who is really sexually active and wants to explore different things.
	So I just wouldn't mind at all.
	I mean, it's not like a real person.
	So okay.
	Lauren?
	Well, I think you're right that there is a double standard the way that society views sex toys for men versus women.
	I think we're at a stage where women are very much encouraged to be embracing their own sexuality and things like that.
	Whereas any time it comes up, something to do with a man, whether it be something like a flashlight, their shame is being insulted.
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	Okay.
	Madison, your take on the whole thing?
	If Frankie was I think it's a little bit odd if you were to have sex toys, not only just men, but like women as well.
	It's different if you're in like if you're in a relationship.
	I understand why both of you would want sex toys.
	Maybe just spice it up a little bit.
	But for the reason that also I think sex toys like completely transform your sensation of sex as well.
	Okay.
	Like the more you do utilize them.
	Word.
	Yeah, I'm not opposed to spicing things up a little bit.
	It's fine.
	I'm fine with it.
	Okay, all right.
	We've gotten a lot of chats that came through.
	I forgot exactly where we were.
	We were talking about male privilege.
	And I came in with the hot take that I don't believe in.
	Only female privilege exists for you.
	Pretty much.
	Okay.
	Pretty much.
	But no, I mean, I think when you look at privilege, and this is maybe an interesting take, I think you need to look at the totality of somebody's circumstances to establish if they genuinely have privileges because like a male, like I would argue upon birth, men, like what male privilege do men have?
	I mean, they have their genitals mutilated upon birth.
	That doesn't strike me as a privilege.
	So.
	Depends on the concept.
	So for instance, if you want to be a leader and you want to be like in politics or you want to hold any of these high-powered leadership positions, those are usually occupied by men.
	A very small proportion of men.
	It's an apex fallacy.
	Well, yeah, I understand that there isn't like every man isn't up there, but if that's what you want to do, so it depends what we're talking about.
	I also think there's plenty of areas where men are falling behind or men are struggling.
	Sure.
	But it goes both ways.
	So there, for instance, you talk about it all the time.
	Men can be more promiscuous.
	That's a double standard.
	And women get shamed for it.
	Women sex workers get shamed more than male sex workers.
	I mean, pick your issue and it can go one way or the other.
	And we all have privilege.
	All of us that are sitting here, all of you that are watching that have internet, that have food, you guys all have privilege.
	Privileges can come in so many forms.
	But this.
	Oh, go ahead, Lauren.
	Sorry, I was just going to say that.
	I think you guys are both right, where there's no such thing as being able to look at someone, their immutable characteristics, and say, I know you have more or less privilege than me.
	It really depends on the situation.
	In some circumstances, it might be more beneficial to be a female or a male.
	But I would say if we're talking just in terms of the legal system purely, I would say that females tend to have more privileges because of things like you just mentioned, diversity hiring when it comes to being a pilot.
	I can't think of any law that currently exists where it's like, oh, you're a man.
	You're more likely to get in.
	We're going to put your resume to the top just because of that.
	Where I can think of many circumstances when that does apply to being a female.
	So I would agree that there should be a push.
	Like we've pushed for women to get into STEM jobs.
	One of the things I'm a big proponent of is pushing men to get into more what like Reeves calls heel jobs, health, education, administration, literacy.
	So I agree with you that there should be a push.
	But the reason that that's not, that hasn't been the case is because historically for a long time, we've had a social system where men held the majority of the social, political, and economic power.
	So in some ways, like with education, we are outpacing men by a lot.
	So we've kind of not only narrowed the gap, we've reversed it.
	But it depends on the issue.
	I agree with her.
	I was going to say an example of male privilege would be like in the flight industry initially, men were more powerful men more in that industry.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	but it's also the factors that meant we're taking more risks to be in that industry, like, initially, which is what...
	I mean, there's, like, a whole part of the manosphere that literally constantly uses the example, like, if your plane was clashing, do you want a male pilot or a female pilot?
	Like...
	Like, basically insinuating that female pilots are not as competent as males.
	And I think that societal stereotype is an example of male privilege.
	People assuming that because you're a woman, you're not as competent of a pilot as a man.
	But it's male privilege that, I mean, a type of so-called male privilege that has only arisen because females are getting jobs that they might otherwise not get.
	So it's, I see what you're saying.
	If you are currently a pilot, you're going to be assumed to be more confident if you're a man because you are not a diversity hire.
	I don't think that's the only reason.
	People have always thought women were worse drivers, so they think if she's a bad driver on the road, then she's probably a bad driver as a pilot.
	I don't think it's just because everybody assumes you're a diversity hire.
	I think people genuinely think women can't drive or women have worse spatial reasoning.
	I mean, that is true in average, though, that we have worse spatial reasoning.
	Yeah, but that, but to use an average and to stereotype an individual is the problem, right?
	So yes, on average, men maybe do would are more likely to be an engineer, but if I look at you and be like, she's definitely not an engineer because men on average are more likely to be an engineer, that would be a stupid way to think.
	You wanted to come in?
	Well, I was going to say, you know, there definitely is an underlying issue, but I think diversity hires make it worse for women in many industries, not just aviation.
	And then also to your point about women just naturally being worse spatial reasoners.
	I actually work in the cognitive geography lab at UCSB, and I can tell you that that's not entirely true.
	There are a lot of exceptions to that, and it's really more based on the individual for each person's spatial abilities and cognition.
	I mean, that's not entirely true, like on in aggregate, because that's, I guess, the psychometric testing usually shows that men tend to do better.
	Not that it's like every man is.
	There's actually a big overlap, I think, with that.
	So yeah, you're right on average, but there is a big overlap.
	There's more intragroup variation than intergroup variation on that.
	Do you have more?
	No, I mean, I wouldn't deny that.
	It's just that there are the average differences, whether that's even with IQ, right?
	Men and women have the same average IQ, but the variation among men is greater, which is why you have more men at the tail ends, right?
	You have more male geniuses and you have more male.
	I mean, the gentlest way to say it is people who perhaps do not excel academically, but on average, we are the same.
	I could easily see that being the same with spatial intelligence.
	McCarthy donated $99.
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	Yeah, my face is.
	I was so lost that entire time.
	I didn't get that.
	Got to give us some context.
	Okay.
	Well, and you brought up this talking point about in a catastrophic flight scenario, how certain people would prefer a male pilot over female pilot.
	This is a manosphere talking point.
	I mean, didn't Andrew Tate famously say this?
	Andrew Tate did say it.
	But I think he added, I think you're omitting the other portion of that.
	And he said, well, there are certain things that women, I think women are better at than men are.
	Sure.
	For example, like childcare-related things.
	Yeah, this is exactly my point.
	So I'm saying it cuts both ways.
	These gender stereotypes cut both ways.
	So he's.
	Is there a biological basis for these stereotypes?
	Like I said, there may be some biological basis, but to believe that culture, culture, and socialization doesn't make an impact also is.
	You don't think there's like an innate temperament?
	There may be a slight, like on average, maybe yes, but there's also social and socialization and culture, which is why you see men and women behave differently in different cultures.
	So in like Western culture, we're a little more egalitarian, but if you look at the East, countries that are more in poverty, more war-stricken, those countries, there are more rigid gender roles still.
	So to believe that culture and socialization have no impact is just stupid, right?
	We're not all bio-biological.
	Everybody's making that argument, though, that there's no societal impact on people.
	Well, when you're saying that, oh, it's just innate that women are worse as pilots.
	I would say that.
	You're saying they said that.
	I'm saying that that's an example of them using gender stereotypes, and that's fueling gender equality because they're saying, oh, I would rather have a male pilot because women are not as good at driving.
	Well, a lot of pilots, if you're a female and you're going to be a pilot, you're probably actually just as good at driving as men.
	You're not looking at everybody.
	You're looking at the women who chose to be pilots.
	So I don't think that's a, I would personally, I don't have a gender preference if my plane is clashing on who's.
	I have a question for you, and I know you wanted to come in.
	I mean, is there a training for, as a pilot, do you get trained for stress management in like catastrophic situations?
	Absolutely, you do.
	And as a flight instructor, part of what I'm responsible for teaching people is aeronautical decision making, you know, learning about hazardous attitudes and how to mitigate them and how to process and manage different stressful situations.
	We also do lots of in-flight actual training, simulated engine failure, simulated engine fires, all kinds of different stuff.
	And, you know, I think the basis of saying, oh, women are just worse pilots naturally, and I would want a male if the plane was crashing.
	I think that really just stems from ignorance.
	Like, they don't understand that the aviation industry at this point is so standardized that everyone is taking the exact same exams, and everyone, it's very unbiased.
	You, like, if your skills and your knowledge isn't up to par, that's going to be called out.
	And that's what makes aviation overall, especially airlines, so safe at this point in time.
	Look, I don't know what the truth is, but couldn't you argue that in stressful situations that temperamentally, generally speaking, men do have some sort of better stress resilience?
	No, because I think there are a ton of women, like I said, it could be true on average that are better than men in those situations.
	So to ever look at a person and use broad generalizations to be like, you're a woman, therefore you have this temperament, that indicates a lack of critical thinking, in my opinion.
	That's just you being like, okay, I'm going to put you in this category.
	I'm going to put you in this category and put you in this category, especially in areas like this where there is so much overlap.
	It's false, like she just said.
	They have a standardized test to get, and she has to do the same thing every other man has to do in order to be a pilot.
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	What these women fail to understand is that male privilege comes with an enormous responsibility to produce, perform, and provide.
	Men face an enormous burden of performance that rewards them this privilege.
	Women want equality without the responsibility.
	Responsibility.
	Responsibility.
	It's a new word.
	I actually think that this is an area where I think men are struggling is because men, and I think the manosphere space just pushes them back more because they're like, your only role is in being the breadwinner.
	And they're trying to kind of turn the clock back on gender equality, which is just not going to happen.
	So we need to have a new vision for men coming forward where their worth and their value is more than them just being an ATM machine and these post-apocalyptic circumstances where a plane is crashing or you're hanging off a cliff.
	I get that all the time.
	If you're hanging off a cliff, don't you want a man?
	I'm like, I don't, I go to like Trader Joe's.
	Why am I going to be hanging off a cliff?
	So like, I think that for men, a lot of them don't have this vision of masculinity going forward.
	They have this narrow, distorted view that's becoming less and less like needed in today's society because now almost half of households, we have women making just as much, if not more than men.
	So if your only role, your identity is embedded in how much money you make and your role as a breadwinner, yeah, this is part of the reason men are struggling.
	Well, I think the reason why men are struggling right now is because men more so than women, they need to be needed.
	They need to have a very specific purpose, a dragon they can slay, something they can conquer and be needed by the community.
	And I don't think it's necessarily accurate to say that the reason why men are struggling now is that like, oh, it's because they're thinking like this.
	I think the reason why they're struggling is because a lot of men don't have an avenue that's productive where they can put that effort in.
	I mean, so many men, they're disenfranchised.
	They don't feel like women need them.
	They don't feel like the workforce needs them.
	They're not doing well in school.
	And I think that kind of contributes to that.
	And I think if we want to help them, obviously we should see anybody as more than an ATM or breadwinner.
	And I think simultaneously telling men, like some people in the manosphere do, like, women are only going to want you if you make like six figures or blah, blah, blah.
	It's demoralizing because for the majority of men, it's not going to happen.
	But I think we need to find a way where we can work with men's kind of that drive to be needed.
	I think it's going to be more useful rather than trying to change it entirely.
	But only because men aren't competing for jobs, but for actual love.
	Women aren't.
	We have to achieve much higher competence to attract women.
	No one is better.
	It's 100% incentives.
	Until women change what they're attracted to, men will always outperform.
	Okay, I want to respond to her really quick, if I could.
	So I agree with you, but I think that's why we need to expand what is considered a man's role in society.
	So for instance, there's been studies done where women, where do you get your meaning in life?
	And before, before they started entering the workforce, they got it entirely in the home.
	And now you see women just as much as men can get their meaning in the workforce.
	But for men, they're not getting their meaning from being at home with their kids.
	If they want to be a stay-at-home dad, they're not finding meaning in that right now, partly because society still largely believes where they've done studies where they're like, can you still be a good mother now if you're working?
	And most Americans say yes.
	But we still have these stereotypes for men, like, no, in order to be a good man, you need to be the breadwinner.
	When I think there are more roles that men can fill in society and find their meaning outside of just being a breadwinner.
	I mean, I definitely wouldn't want to downplay the importance of a father being a father.
	Like, I've seen some people say that, oh, yeah, men don't need to be around after the birth because there's nothing for them to do.
	Okay, that's absolutely not true.
	Like, if you are a dad and your wife has a newborn, you 100% should be there to help.
	So I definitely don't agree with that mentality.
	But I don't think I disagree with you entirely there.
	It's just I think we need to kind of be able to lean into the way that men thinks.
	That that would probably be a lot easier than just being like, I feel like that type of thinking, it's almost trying to feminize men, saying that you as a man, you just need to reevaluate how you're thinking because we as women have changed society.
	And I don't think that's necessarily fair for the men who have been left behind.
	I don't think men need to rewire their thinking.
	I think we all do.
	I don't think it's just men.
	I think as a culture, as a society, we've done so many things to push women forward.
	And I think that's been great.
	We've narrowed the gap on many things like education.
	But I think, like you're right, we've left men behind by sales saying your role is a breadwinner.
	When now if half of almost half of US families in the US, the woman is making as much or more, now these men are like, okay, well, I guess my only role in this family is to be a breadwinner.
	And I'm saying, no, that's not your only role.
	That's not the only thing you're good for as a man.
	You're just as much of a full multifaceted person as women are.
	So women get praised for doing both.
	I think men should also get praised for doing both.
	Men should be praised for their role as a father.
	And you don't disagree with us.
	I don't think we're really disagreeing too much here.
	Well, they've definitely, I've definitely heard that a lot of women are finding men to be not economically attractive.
	I've seen these headlines.
	That's true.
	So.
	We're getting into hypergamy.
	Is that where we're going?
	Well, I suppose, but I mean, if we are going to have women who are fighting to be equal in the workplace and successful and making their own money, then correspondingly, there's going to have to be women that are prepared to date men who are making less money than them.
	Well, they are.
	So it's been recent that we're going to be able to do that.
	But are they happy?
	I don't think they are.
	Well, I disagree.
	Because hypergamy is on the decline.
	There's a lot of studies showing this, that now more and more.
	Especially on the incline.
	No, maybe we're looking at different.
	Can I get a laptop and we can pull over?
	We're definitely looking at different.
	It's definitely on the decline in, especially they looked at like 27 countries, including like European countries.
	And yeah, women are now okay, more and more okay, with, in general, people like to date across.
	Like it's a sort of meeting.
	People like to date, generally date across socioeconomic status, across IQ, across education, across even attractiveness.
	Well, there's actually, there's a difference.
	Women like to date across and up, and men date across and down.
	Men are more likely to date down, especially on certain things like how much money they make, but that's changing.
	But still in general, in general, people tend to, it's the similarity, it's attraction similarity hypothesis is one of the most researched theories in the psychology of attraction.
	It's very people generally, like lawyers tend to date other lawyers.
	People tend to date people also because of the proximity aspect of it.
	That's also a big part of attraction.
	But this idea, especially if you look at history, like hypergamy hasn't, in general, most people would dating across.
	Like the status of their husband, even back in the day, was similar to that of their father.
	Like you can find more instances of men dating down than women, but in general, that's not the general trend, and it never has been.
	What's not the general trend?
	That women are just dating way above their level.
	In general, people are dating across.
	That's what we're seeing.
	Now, if there's one gender that's more likely to date down, it is men, and that remains true.
	But in general, this thing that women are, in general, trying to go for someone way above them in status, in general, that's not how people mate.
	And that's not been shown in history or anything.
	But I guess.
	It absolutely has been shown in history.
	That what?
	Well, this is what I mean.
	If you look at, I wish I could pull up my studies.
	If you look at overall history, like I just said, even back in the day when gender roles were more stringent than they are now, women typically, their husband had the same social status as their father.
	Like people generally, families, I can even say like even in modern society and like where my family's from in Iran, you tend to date and marry people like your family and their family.
	Okay, are they from a good family?
	Okay, we're from a good family.
	We're educated.
	They're educated.
	Our son and our daughter should be together.
	It's not like, hey, mom and dad, these make great Disney movies where it's like, hey, I found the waitress or she's scrubbing my floor, Cinderella.
	It can happen, but that's not the norm.
	Cinderella isn't the norm.
	But I guess the problem.
	Go ahead, Lauren.
	Well, I guess the problem that a lot of women are facing, and I've seen articles about this too, is that not only are they not being picked up by the millionaire or the billionaire or anything like that, but they're even having trouble finding men who are of their same socioeconomic status.
	So the question for some women is not just, oh, am I going to date someone across instead of up?
	It's am I willing to date someone down?
	So interestingly, people in the top 20% of education and socioeconomic status, their marriage rates are the same.
	They're not having any issue with this.
	This seems to be more of an issue lower down, which would be kind of the opposite of what people say because they're like, oh, if you're higher up, if you're more educated, if you're a lawyer, you're eliminating so many options.
	It's harder for you to date.
	Female lawyers are not having issues getting married.
	The stats bear that out, and I can even just say anecdotally.
	I mean, it's true that the more educated a woman is, the less likely she is to get married and the less likely she is to be.
	That's not true at all.
	So we can look that up.
	That's actually, that's been steady.
	So the marriage rate for women in the top 20% college-educated women, especially if they have higher education, has remained steady.
	I didn't say it wasn't decreasing.
	I said compared to women of the state.
	The fallacy with your argument is that for couples to date across, the man must be a higher earner.
	Attorneys dating is not the same as McDonald's workers' dating.
	For lateral dating to happen, the man must already be successful.
	So do McDonald's workers not have wives and relationships?
	Is it only successful men?
	No, when we look across, even for having sex, when we look across income, it's not that rich people are having so much more sex than poor people.
	In fact, poor people are reproducing more.
	We don't see this big change with BMI.
	Like, it's not just the fit men that are having a ton of sex.
	It's not just the tall men that are having a ton of sex.
	Every, like, people across all ranges, when it comes to any of these characteristics, are having sex and are mating.
	Now, like I've said, the marriage rate has gone down for people of lower socioeconomic status when it's remained the same and even kind of gone up for people of higher socioeconomic status.
	You're so full of shit.
	Well, I mean, continue with your why am I full of shit, Brian?
	I'll address it.
	Okay, I mean, it's hard because we're saying different things, and there's probably a study to back up each source.
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	Okay.
	I'm going to say I doubt this is a lawyer.
	Me and my lawyer friends were actually just having a conversation about this.
	Lawyers don't talk like this.
	Like, if there's a conservative lawyer, they're more like her.
	They're going to be like, you know, wanting to date Ben Shabiro and stuff.
	They don't talk like this.
	Unless he was just like a secret incel in his closet that got into some fourth-tier law school.
	But that is not how lawyers speak.
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	You guys piss me off just as much.
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	All right.
	Most of the time, we love you, though.
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	I have seen Markuvius Martin's Bona Fides.
	Is that how you say it?
	Bonafides?
	Bonafides.
	He's a Mensa member.
	Apparently, he's an attorney.
	I mean, that's a very.
	I am.
	I'm as weird of an attorney as you can get, and that would be even weirder than me.
	Like I said, there is the Federalist Society in every law school.
	They're very similar to her.
	She wouldn't write a comment like that.
	She just doesn't.
	He could disagree with me, but the manner in which you disagree with me, I think more people, educated people, generally, like I said, aren't online like you 304 mid-whore.
	Like they just don't even, they don't, they don't even know about this world.
	Like, they just aren't doing this.
	He must be some deep incel if he's.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay, now you're going to be.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just being honest.
	That's what I think.
	All right.
	Well, yeah.
	They've been a little mean, I think.
	Me?
	He just.
	No, no, no.
	They've been mean to you.
	Oh, that's fine.
	Yeah, she's definitely thick skinny.
	Yeah, no.
	This doesn't bother me at all.
	You guys can keep it coming.
	Give Brian the money.
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	All right.
	I make my money.
	You make your money off of that.
	All right.
	There you have it, folks.
	There you have it.
	Although a better use of your money is my OnlyFans, but erroneous.
	I got distracted with the mid-whore comment.
	I have no idea what I was going to say.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did you recall what we were talking about?
	Oh, I think with the education and marriage rates.
	So I don't know if you've read the bell curve, but one of the things that Charles Murray talks about is how obviously IQ and especially higher education is correlated.
	And they do find that consistently women who are like they have more advanced degrees, more years in school, they are less likely to get married than women who are less educated and who kind of proportionately, obviously, have lower IQs.
	And it's almost, it's a problem that he's writing about because we almost have a sort of a dysgenics going on.
	He's the one who did the race in IQ too, right?
	Charles.
	Well, the bell curve is.
	Jasmine is an example to argue that hypergamy is pushing politicians.
	In general, are a small percentage of the population.
	Your generalization is extremely flawed because of this.
	So I just, I guess, yes, I understand that that's a, that's, what I was arguing when I said that was about the top percentages of society.
	But in general, people do date across.
	So McDonald's workers are more likely to date someone else in the fast food industry.
	They're not just not dating.
	And I was saying lawyers, because that's the only experience I've had really outside of OnlyFans, they tend to date and marry other lawyers.
	Like 18 couples from my law school got married.
	This is just, that's just how people normally mate.
	And lawyers do, on average, and marry other lawyers more than they marry women in any other profession.
	Well, you mentioned proximity.
	That would make sense because it's not just a shared common sense.
	Proximity is one thing.
	But like, for instance, you hear this in the manosphere a lot.
	Like, oh, men don't care.
	They'll marry a girl out of CVS or a hot girl off Instagram.
	Yeah, they're not.
	No, but maybe in podcast world and whatever, but lawyers in general, like if I was hanging out with a group of my friends, lawyer friends, and...
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	He lives in LA, has a following, would school these girls, and I'm pretty sure he can bring girls onto the show too.
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	Appreciate it.
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	Thank you, man.
	As I was saying, you won't see somebody bring, like, oh, I just, I'm bringing my new girlfriend along.
	We'd be like, great.
	And then she'd come and he's like, oh, this is 18-year-old hot chick I met off Instagram.
	We'd be like, it's just so not a thing.
	Like, they're usually, and they don't have to be other lawyers.
	They could be working with special needs kids, whatever.
	But they're not bagging the hot 18-year-old from CVS.
	At least educated populations don't generally do that.
	Unless the only exception I would say is if they're really religious, like if they're Mormons, like there was a ton of Mormons in my law school, and they will marry like a homemaker and whatever.
	They'll do that.
	But they won't marry hot Instagram girls or girls that work at Taco Bell.
	It's just not.
	But do you think men are particularly preoccupied with, in terms of something being an attraction trigger, do you think men are particularly attracted to a woman's success or her money?
	You're going to hate me, but new studies do indicate they do, especially even Buss, who's like the manosphere evolutionary psychologist God has found this.
	The work of Corinne, Corinne has showed that women, they've done studies now where they put like on dating apps, they've taken like millions of users and they'll put a face for both men and women and then income.
	And they find both genders tend to find people more attractive when they had more higher income.
	So, you could look this up, Corinne's the- I haven't seen that particular study, but- Yeah, because you've only seen the studies that you like.
	And I've seen your studies and my studies because I had to know yours to be able to check on it.
	So you think that...
	I still think men care less than women care.
	Okay.
	But I do think, but I think things are changing and men are starting to care more and more as we're moving towards more of an egalitarian society.
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	You're a lawyer that makes Bankoff of and probably hooks up with high-quality men.
	What do you know about the average person working the average job?
	You have no clue how us normal folks live.
	Incorrect, you are, which is not surprising.
	Are you a normal folk?
	Am I supposed to respond to this?
	Yeah, yeah, there's a question.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, I'm not a normal folk, and I admit that.
	So, probably, like, especially if I talk about my personal experiences, I'm in a bubble, and I was definitely in a bubble when it comes to academia.
	That's why I'm shocked at how many of people in this sphere don't have basic English skills.
	I can't even use, like, this is stuff we learned in fifth grade.
	So, I was very oblivious to this, and I will admit that.
	However, I mean, yeah, but I, however, a lot of the stuff I'm talking about, I've researched this stuff a lot because I didn't want to just come on here and be one of these girls.
	Like, I feel like this show is just like, what do you think?
	I don't know, what do you think?
	Well, there's data on this, and that's a better indicator than what we all think based off our personal experiences because that could be biased.
	Like, for me, I'm around being a certain type of person that knows how to spell and read and write, and now most of the internet I'm around doesn't.
	Well, I mean, to get back to the income with dating issue, I could totally believe that maybe nowadays men are starting to be like, okay, if we're going to need two incomes, maybe it's good that she's able to make money.
	But I think there's also still studies out there that show that men are actually less attracted to women if she makes more than them.
	That's after a certain point.
	The money, the success that the woman has can actually be repellent to some men.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	That some men do still feel that way, and even some women feel that way.
	And that's one of the things I think we should change as a culture.
	That they don't like making more than their spouse, and men also can feel emasculated by that.
	That is one of the things I think we should change.
	I don't think it should be a big deal.
	It's just about what works for you and your family.
	Okay, you said a lot of stuff.
	So I haven't seen the studies that you're referencing.
	But this idea...
	We can pull them up.
	Which one?
	Huh?
	Which one?
	I don't know, but you're asserting that men care deeply about a woman's success or something.
	I didn't say deeply.
	I said that they're showing now that men overall do care about income, and that's changing because much less than women do.
	Less than women, yes.
	But that's a shift we're seeing as society is changing.
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	Jasmine, no rational person would want to hire a lawyer that doesn't and only cares about her own interests.
	Yeah, I don't want to get hired by a firm.
	If I did, I wouldn't have quit to do OnlyFans.
	They really like you, Jasmine.
	They're big fans of you.
	That's what I want.
	Thank you, Bender.
	OnlyFans probably blowing over now.
	But you do want to get back into the law eventually, is that correct?
	I probably won't need to, but yes, if I do ever get back into it, I want to advocate for sex workers or work for like a nonprofit, do that kind of work.
	I don't really ever want to use it to make an income anymore.
	Let me get a couple chats here.
	Logan, Rhea, Brian, hope all is well.
	Sounds a little under the weather.
	Better be taking a well-deserved break.
	Time to time.
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	Currently trying to watch all of them to get caught up.
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	Can you read this one?
	Flight girl, it is not ignorance.
	You miss simple statistics.
	You are being selected from a smaller pool of applicants by definition.
	Matthew Marshall.
	$99.
	Jasmine is correct.
	Same as Destiny stated on your podcast.
	Before, on average, men and women date and marry within their social circles.
	And with the rise of equal rights, education and job opportunity for women, hypergamy is declining.
	Love you, Boo Balance.
	Yeah, I just want to say everyone that's in my DMs, like, you're using destiny statistics.
	I think me in Destiny just looked up the same shit, and these are just the statistics.
	I don't think it's minor statistics.
	I think we're just two individuals that wanted to do the proper research and look at the actual facts, unlike some people.
	I don't think anyone is saying it's inaccurate to say that people tend to marry within the same socio-you're not saying it, but a lot of the manosphere does.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because I mean, like you said, proximity and obviously, like, there are just so differences, which isn't necessarily a good thing because that's kind of classist, but it's just the way it is.
	But I think we still can't ignore the fact that if you're writing a dating profile, women, and I don't think even you deny this, women are going to care a lot more about what a man's job and income is than the reverse.
	That's true, but I think that's shifting, and we have evidence that that's shifting, and it's starting to become that men are starting to care as much because of just the reality of the society we live in.
	So it's still relatively recent that women have been in the workforce.
	So the shift is going to happen slowly over time, and we're seeing it shift.
	Well, I disagree, but let me pull this one up really quick.
	We were in the middle of reading it.
	I'll pull it up again.
	Let's see.
	By definition, the men are facing fiercer competition.
	Passing the minimal standards make you competent, but not the best.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	I think each individual, you know, that does not make you the best by being able to pass standards, but that's why it's important that there's people.
	It's crazy tonight.
	All right, thank you guys.
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	I've never heard of him, but I'll check him out.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate the recommendation.
	Well, I'd also just, in response to that comment, also like to say, you know, the amount of applicants is proportional to the amount of female pilots.
	Like, it's not like that there's a disproportionate amount of female pilots.
	There's more male applicants, and that shows.
	And I, you know, it's really fairly unbiased from my perspective.
	And I also think it's important to recognize that there could be male pilots that just aren't competent or even the best.
	And, you know, it varies across the board for sure.
	And I think that's where it's important that good training comes.
	Like, that's something I really care about, obviously, is good training and also vetting.
	You know, I've had to sit down with people and say, you know, I don't think you have the right temperament to be a pilot and you should reconsider flight training.
	It's so awkward.
	It's horrible.
	It's only happened twice and they're both men.
	You know, I don't have many female students generally, but it happens.
	And I think it's important that as a community in aviation, we're able to recognize that and help keep everyone safe by making those calls.
	Yeah, well, the aviation example that's come up before, I don't know exactly where I stand on that, but I think perhaps a more apt scenario would be: would you rather have a male firefighter coming to rescue you or a female firefighter coming to rescue you from a burning building?
	Well, that's totally different because that has to do with physical size and strength.
	That's not relevant when you're flying an airplane.
	Sure.
	And I'm moving on from that.
	I'm not trying to relate it necessarily, but I do think that is perhaps a better argument.
	Well, yeah, so brute strength is something men definitely have a leg up in.
	But this is one of the things, one of my critiques of the manosphere, is jobs that require brute strength, manual labor jobs, are the ones most at risk for automation.
	So again, if you're telling men that your value and the thing that makes you important in this world is how physically strong you are and your ability to be a breadwinner, those are two things where society's moving in a direction that if those are the two things you're basing your identity on, it's a losing game.
	Yeah, but because of like diversity quotas and affirmative evaluation.
	No, because of automation and training.
	Let me finish.
	Can you stop interrupting?
	They have lowered the physical requirements for women to enter some of these fields, such as firefighting or the military, for example, in order for you to pass the physical requirements to join the military, to join the Army, Marines, Navy, whatever it is.
	The requirements are much lower for women.
	If that's true, then I don't agree with that.
	I don't think.
	Same with firefighting.
	Yeah, I don't think that should be the case.
	Okay, but it is.
	Yeah, but so I agree with you in that, regardless.
	All right, there you go.
	So if that's happening, I disagree.
	It is happening.
	Yeah, I don't agree.
	I don't think that should.
	I think if there's a standard, that should be the standard, even if that means that less women than men are firefighters.
	Okay, well, there you have it, folks.
	All right.
	Let me get a couple chats in here, and then we'll get into our first topic, the Logan Paul dilemma.
	Jasmine, can I have you read this one, please?
	Your dad has watched you get railed and probably liked it.
	That's why his tune change weird thing is you know it, you do deny that.
	All you do, you use Insta, an app geared towards teens to advertise your OF to teens.
	You do all that too.
	Yes, I'm advertising my OF to teens and teens alone.
	I mean, feel better.
	That's amazing.
	Good times.
	All right.
	We have KV Moga, if you want to read it.
	Me?
	Yeah, sure.
	OF girls, do you intend to have children?
	Do you justify kids having to go through shame, trauma, and depression because of their mom's greedy ambition?
	You want me to respond to that?
	Sure, why not?
	So if I do have kids, it's going to be like I'm 28 now, probably when I'm 34, 35, at the earliest, by the time they're in school, it's like 15 plus years from now.
	I don't think it'll be as much of an issue.
	Plus, the two biggest contributors to childhood success are socioeconomic status and maternal education, and my kid's going to be balling on both friends.
	This is the same argument people used to make 10 years ago as to why gay parents shouldn't be able to adopt kids.
	They're like, your kids are going to get bullied, and now that's not even a thing.
	Look how quickly societal attitudes have shifted on something like that in just such a short period of time.
	I think that's a little different, though.
	But people wouldn't have said that 10 years ago.
	Said what?
	That.
	Oh, that's different.
	People hardcore believe that gay issues.
	Yeah, but you can't choose to be gay.
	You can choose to do sex.
	10 years ago, a lot of people thought you were choosing.
	That's the thing.
	You could choose not to adopt kids if you're gay.
	And that was the argument people would make.
	You guys can be gay, that's fine, but there's no reason to bring a child into this because your child is going to go through all this and trauma and bullying.
	And now the stats are out that those kids end up doing fine.
	They're not getting bullied in school because they have two dads or two moms.
	Yeah, but I think it's like it's not a fair comparison.
	Well, I think society's shifting one way in general.
	Maybe not in spaces like this.
	We are moving towards being more sex positive, more sexually open and free.
	I think Martin donated $100.
	Thank you very much.
	When I'm on invite her back, I'll obliterate her.
	She's using a malicious tactic.
	Citing studies almost.
	I'll categorically cite all my studies device free.
	You and your parents have this in common.
	Crying yourselves.
	They love me tonight.
	So what was I supposed to say to this?
	Do you intend to have children?
	I will probably have children someday.
	And yeah, I think if they're well off economically, I think that's one thing that would obviously help them in a lot of ways.
	And also, there's a lot of ways that you can actually keep your content off of the internet these days through lawyers and different like websites to help that.
	So like she's saying, I do think that society in general is shifting a lot.
	And I sort of like, I mean, I know that it will be an issue and I will have to probably figure out how I'm going to navigate that.
	But I think it's not as big as an issue as a lot of people are going to be.
	I mean, like 15 years ago, we barely had iPhones.
	Who knows?
	15 years from now, there could be deep fake porn of all of us.
	Like who knows what the world's going to look like 15 years technology wise?
	If I'm still popping 15 years from now, I will take that as a win.
	But I guess so with both of your answers, you're kind of acknowledging that this might negatively affect your child.
	You're saying that, oh, well, this will be in the future.
	I can keep it off, like, offline to the general public.
	You're saying it's 15 years.
	You're saying society might change their attitudes, but you're also saying that'll be in a long time because, you know, you're only 28 and you don't want to have kids just yet.
	So is it fair to say that you are acknowledging that there is a way that this could?
	Of course.
	But I mean, like, for instance, I grew up Persian and a lot of the kids in my school were white and kids used to make fun of me for having Persian food.
	Like, what were my parents supposed to say?
	Like, oh, okay, let's try to have you not be bullied.
	I don't plan on raising my kids to appease the whims of like the most immature population, which is like school kids.
	So yes, they could get bullied over this.
	And yes, that is, I'm not saying this isn't a possibility.
	It can't happen.
	But I think kids can get bullied almost over everything.
	I mean, you're a conservative political pundit.
	If your kids go to school and there's some really liberal parents there or something, your kids are going to get bullied because of what you do because half of the country at least disagrees with you.
	So there's a big portion of the country that also finds what I do controversial.
	So again, I think it's something that is a possibility, but I think there's so many mitigating factors.
	And I also think a lot of the people that ask that, maybe not this particular commenter, are just, they don't actually care about kids.
	If you cared about kids, you would go volunteer at a children's hospital.
	You could do things with kids that actually exist now instead of my hypothetical future potential children.
	So that's, that's, I also don't think it's a question generally asked in good faith, not with you or maybe this commenter, but in general.
	Right.
	And I guess the reason why I asked this is because I'm a mom.
	I have a kid.
	And obviously, like you said, kids are going to be bullied.
	I plan on homeschooling, so hopefully that mitigates some things.
	But do you think that as mothers or potential mothers that you have a responsibility to, I guess, behave in such a way where your child would be proud of you?
	And I'm not saying that, you know, maybe you're going to raise your kid in a way that having an OnlyFans mom is something that they're proud of.
	But how do you plan on navigating that?
	Like, do you want your kid to be aware from a young age that you did OnlyFans?
	Would you be upset if you have a daughter and she does OnlyFans?
	Like, how are your feelings with OnlyFans kind of related to that?
	So those are two questions.
	I think just like there's an appropriate way to talk to children about sex education, I think there's also an age-appropriate way to talk to children about sex work, depending on the age and all that.
	Now, would I care if my daughter did this?
	My only goal for my children is to be happy and healthy and kind people.
	So I have no intention of bringing children to the world so I can be proud of them or that they can align with me and do everything I want.
	People who have children to make them an extension of themselves shouldn't have children.
	So again, if this is what my daughter does and she's happy and she's healthy and she's safe, go for it.
	If she wants to be a waitress, go for it.
	If she wants to be a neurosurgeon, go for it.
	So yeah, that's me.
	So do you not see any, and it's like with your parents, I'm so glad that you say that you have a good relationship because I think if any displeasure they voice with you, it's because they love you.
	I mean, I don't, it sounds like you guys have a great relationship, but I'm happy about that.
	Can you understand why a parent could love their child and not want them to just be an extension of themselves, but still not want them to do OnlyFans?
	I can totally see it because they see it.
	Like my mom also thought tampons are only for virgins.
	Like she grew up, she was married a virgin, she's only ever been with my dad.
	So it's really hard for them to break away from these values.
	So they think that what I'm doing is unhealthy.
	But that may not necessarily be true.
	So again, my goal for my child is not them doing what I think is healthy or what I think is great or what aligns with my values.
	It's just that they're overall happy, healthy kids.
	I can tell you in the Persian community, it's such a thing that parents just go to like these parties and they're like, my son has PhD.
	Like is it Stanford?
	And like, it's like, are your kids happy though?
	Because a lot of times they're not.
	You have no idea how many messages I get from children of immigrant families who are like, I don't want to be a doctor.
	I don't want to do this.
	But your story actually inspired me to be honest with my parents about that.
	It doesn't mean they have to go into sex work.
	It just means to live a life conducive to their own happiness.
	And that's all I would want for my kids.
	But, and obviously I'm not advocating, I'm half Chinese, but I think you can totally not be a doctor or a lawyer and still do all right in life.
	But can you understand why that, even if you want the child to be happy and healthy, that may not as a parent mean condoning whatever they want to do at the time?
	Yeah, if they're underage, like I was 26 when I started my OnlyFans.
	If my daughter's 16 and she's like, I want to start an OnlyFans, yeah, we're going to have a discussion about that because I don't think your prefrontal cortex isn't even developed yet.
	And this has lifelong consequences, which I agreed with you with.
	But if she's 25, 26 and she's like, mom, I want to do this, blah, blah, blah.
	This is what I think is going to make me happy.
	Here's how I plan to use the plug.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, I guess looking at the rates of women who are only in the sex industry for a short amount of time and then they end up leaving it, which I'm guessing means they weren't really satisfied in it.
	Otherwise, they would have stayed in for longer.
	The women who talk about things like how it's damaged their potential for long-term relationships in the future, there was a study.
	I think it's something like 75% of OnlyFans creators do report that it has negatively impacted their relationships in one way or another.
	Again, 100 is not the same as 75, so you can make an argument that's not everybody.
	But can you see that there are, like, this isn't just another job, right?
	This isn't just like become a teacher or a politician.
	There are a lot of consequences.
	We're not even talking about religion here, just to their ability to work other jobs in the future, have other relationships, whatever, that this makes it a very big difference, a different decision than wanting to go into engineering or something.
	Which is exactly why I would want, like I said, informed consent from the person, which is why I agree that really young girls that may not know about these consequences shouldn't do.
	I think also a lot of people are in the industry and they leave because as you get older, you can't, it's like, it's like being a professional athlete.
	Like you only have a short amount of time, but nobody tells professional athletes, oh, why would you want to do that?
	Like you can only do it for a short amount of time.
	They say, oh, that's a good idea.
	People do tell athletes that generally, especially like if they do.
	I don't know.
	I've never heard anyone be like, oh my God, you're an athlete.
	Like, what a terrible profession.
	You're only in it for a short amount of time, whatever.
	So I don't necessarily think that's the problem, but I agree with you that I would want any woman or any man, anyone that's doing this work to be aware of those consequences.
	But I'm thinking in the position with my child, yes, if they do anything recklessly that could affect them for the rest of their lives.
	If my daughter got married at 18, I would lose my mind because you're so young.
	So it doesn't matter.
	Any lifelong decision that they make from a young age without full informed consent, I wouldn't be happy about.
	But it's not the profession of OnlyFans in particular that I have an issue with if they have informed consent about it.
	You can't have full informed consent at 18.
	You can, but I think it's you may not, your brain isn't fully developed.
	So I'm not saying that 18-year-olds can't do OnlyFans.
	What I'm saying is I've had a lot of younger girls that come to me, I want to be like you, you're making all this money, blah, And I'm like, I don't think you can fully grasp.
	Like I will talk to them and I'll let them know that this has consequences you may not fully be able to grasp because your prefrontal cortex still is like six, seven years from developing.
	So that's kind of my argument there.
	It doesn't mean I think they can't or they shouldn't be able to do it.
	I just don't think that their brain is fully developed enough scientifically even to be able to fully grasp the consequences the way they would if they were my age.
	That's what I'm saying.
	All right, let me get some chats out of the way.
	Shut her mic off.
	Purple shirt Buber has no clue she's talking about in regards to how kids fare with LGBT parents.
	The study that said they were just as well off as kids with straight parents was funded by the CCP, and that's a link, I guess, to...
	There's been multiple studies that show that.
	As long as you measure for socioeconomic status and all that, they do tend to do as well.
	And there's definitely not a huge bullying problem with them, at least in 2023, maybe if they're in like the middle of Arkansas, but like in California, no.
	Madison, can you read this one?
	To respond to the OF diversity hire about women evolving from their grandmothers, women becoming mattress actresses on the internet shows that women are devolving and not evolving.
	I don't think men would be having this issue.
	It's struggling.
	Wouldn't be outpacing them and kicking their ass in education.
	Even in the labor market, like men's wages have been stagnant, which I don't think is a good thing while ours has been rising.
	Like, we are, women are doing better in this society than in previous society.
	So, while it's your opinion that this is an example of devolving, for instance, I'm really happy I have this option, and now I'm make seven figures and I'm able to have all the time, money, and freedom that I enjoy.
	So, for me, it was a good thing.
	But, I mean, it's also true that women, and not speaking of your own situation, but women in average, like, especially for white women, the rates of depression are really skyrocketing, right?
	More women than ever have clinical diagnoses, whether that's depression, anxiety, and they're medicated.
	So, I think we can say that, yeah, obviously, women have made a lot of grounds in terms of economics and finances, but I feel like it has come at a cost to force for a lot of women our mental health and our overall work-life balance, which women purport to be way less happy about than men on average.
	So, I think that, like, for instance, the medication thing, I think a lot of people are over-medicated these days, and men are more on that stuff too.
	So, there's a correlation versus causation thing.
	So, while it's true, and I think there are great, I've read a lot of books on this.
	Lost Connections, Johan Hari is a great book on this.
	I think social media can have an impact, but to say it's because they're less involved in their roles as mothers, and especially mothers, because while studies do show marriage tends to make people happier, kids don't.
	And the happiness gap is the largest in the United States, actually.
	So, I don't think that to jump to, oh, women are unhappier, so the reason must be, especially when there's no evidence to bear that out, is because they're not wives and mothers is erroneous.
	Well, I mean, they have done studies that show that, I mean, married people tend to be happier than not, but non-kids people have the opposite.
	So, it's like, okay, do you think that they should just, should we just be supporting dink lifestyles, dual income, no kids?
	Because that seems to be what shows to be the happiest.
	Now, that's not for everybody, right?
	There's also a study out of the University of Michigan that came out recently showing that people who chose not to have kids don't end up regretting it later.
	So, it's not for everybody, right?
	But there are also studies that, like, we obviously support to talk about happiness because we don't want to be unhappy, but they've also measured things like loneliness and people who aren't married and who don't have kids, they are more likely to be something like loneliness.
	Yeah, so I think having meaningful connections is one of the biggest contributors to happiness.
	Get out our, I guess, like, not just women, not just men in general, as we have progressed, like we are falling short in those areas.
	In those areas, so that's a big thing.
	I just talked about lost connections.
	Johan Hari, he talks about this: that social media, people aren't getting outside more.
	People don't have communities anymore.
	I mean, there was like back in the day, if you asked how many close friends do you have, people had like, oh, I have three out of five.
	Now, the average is zero, especially for men.
	Men seem to be really struggling finding friendships or having those good friendships.
	So, I agree with you there, but I don't think the answer is, okay, we go back.
	I don't even think that's practical, and I don't think that that is the reason.
	Oh, women are now in the workforce, that's why we're lonelier.
	We've had social media, which has deeply contributed to it.
	There are other factors that could be causing it, and so it's a correlation-causation problem.
	All right, let's get these chats in.
	Wouldn't you like to know?
	Maddie, can you read it?
	Huge fan of the pod.
	Been listening to every pod on Spotify while I'm trucking across the country.
	Glad to see you're doing better.
	What happened to the five to six hour pods?
	Enjoy listening regardless.
	Send the 30 foes to the streets.
	Bring Shapiro on to Red Pill these ladies.
	Wouldn't you like to know?
	Thank you for the super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I'm not going to reveal who, but very soon we are going to have someone from the Daily Wire on the show.
	Not Shapiro, but somebody else.
	So that should be fun.
	We've been making the pods shorter.
	I don't really want to.
	I'm not going to go into it, but we've had some noise complaints, even though this is like basically a tame dinner party type conversation, like uh.
	So we've been trying to end the shows earlier so we might start having the shows uh start sooner here maybe, I don't know soon.
	Actually, I think our tuesday show we're gonna start one hour early, so we might.
	We're uh potentially in the works of uh starting earlier.
	David Mccoyne.
	Thank you, go ahead, Madison.
	If women want equality, why don't women fight to be included in the draft seems like they want rights without responsibility.
	The way responsibility is spelled.
	Sorry, I don't want to be.
	Also, i'm.
	I think a lot of people are just against it.
	The draft hasn't been triggered in over 50 years and I think if it was, people would have an issue with it, including a lot of feminists.
	Yeah well, feminists.
	Their official position if you have one official position as a feminist group is to abolish the draft entirely.
	Yeah, for men, I agree with that.
	Yeah, but is that?
	That's kind of wishful thinking it?
	It occurs to me that a country needs to have a draft in the event of some sort of catastrophic war.
	I don't think a draft is good, but it's plausible that a country would need to call upon its citizens to defend said country.
	I don't think anyone should be forced by their government to go die for the country.
	That then who would be?
	I mean, if we don't have enough people that volunteer to do it, then that's, but I don't believe the answer is forcing people.
	That's me, though.
	So okay, so then you've I mean you've basically surrendered your country to, I think it's i'd rather surrender my country than force people against their own limited 99 dollars.
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	Does body count matter?
	Well, we'll touch on body count in just a bit.
	Uh, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it, Matt.
	Um okay, so we were talking about the draft, the draft draft, why I actually think that's a really solid argument for why feminism is not actually about true equality, why she just said the feminist position is to abolish the draft for both genders.
	Well, I mean, and it hasn't been triggered in 50 years.
	Anyone who's like talking about the draft is like they're like.
	That's the topic that they're focused on is focused on something bizarre, it hasn't been triggered in 50 years.
	But all men over the age of 18, upon turning 18, have to register for the draft.
	Yeah, and i'm against that, but it hasn't been.
	No, you like nobody in our generation.
	No, but you're not gonna, you're not gonna get rid of the draft.
	Therefore, we ought to equalize it.
	I think that if it was to get triggered, I would be on the front line of saying that nobody should be allowed on it, nobody should be allowed in it.
	Okay, that's great.
	War is terrible okay well, aren't you the one that said war happens?
	Okay, so aren't you the one that just said that, if there's like physical standards for getting in to do, do firefighting?
	If there are physical standards to get into the war, a lot of women wouldn't meet those requirements.
	Right, but you could be drafted into the war effort and have a supportive role.
	You don't, but women are entirely, hold on, but women are entirely exempt from even being drafted into a support role that doesn't even face the risk of seeing combat.
	Okay, so in that sense, if we're going to have a draft, sure, we can both be in it, but I'm saying neither of us should be in it.
	Well, that's okay, but there shouldn't be war.
	Like, it's just such a good thing.
	Even if there is war, I don't believe in a draft.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Now, if we're going to have one anyway, I don't think it's fair that just men are drafted.
	I'll give you that.
	Right, but women aren't in the streets, like, demanding that they be.
	Because this is a non-issue right now.
	It's not a non-issue.
	Yes, none of our lives right now are impacted by the draft.
	Not a single person.
	No, that's wrong because men are required to register upon terms of 18.
	There's certain, hold on, there's certain it's harder to potentially qualify for certain, I believe, student loans.
	You're barred from certain federal jobs if you aren't registered.
	Technically on the books, it's a felony.
	There's a $500,000 fine.
	Now, whether a prosecutor would actually prosecute it, no, but perhaps in wartime, they might prosecute it.
	Yeah, in wartime.
	So when this is the reason people aren't on the street is because it's not wartime.
	And so most men that are registering for the draft, that's the end of what they're doing.
	I mean, we're arguably in the least stable place in the past 40 years.
	And there isn't any talk of the draft being triggered by anyone other than the Hanosphere.
	No, but it's a totally valid thing.
	For example, like you're a woman here in California, I'm assuming, well, I shouldn't assume, but here in California, you can secure an abortion.
	Yeah.
	Did you take quarrel with Roe v. Wade being overturned, even though your right to an abortion in California is secure?
	Yes, because I believe in substantive profits.
	But it doesn't affect you.
	But it's a constitutional right that I think was taken away.
	And it didn't just take away that.
	If we want to get into the law on substantive due process, I'm obviously very familiar with it.
	We can get into that.
	But it completely took out substantive due process out of the Constitution, which does also, like people have made the argument, affect decisions like Loving v. Virginia, the right of your children to go to certain, the school you want.
	I'm not interested, at least right now.
	So the reason that I have an issue with Rolling Wade being a majority of the people.
	Let me finish.
	I'm not interested right now in having an abortion discussion, but this idea that, well, oh, it doesn't really impact anybody that there's the draft.
	Well, it's just not true.
	It does impact people.
	There's men who, because they failed to register, are barred from getting certain loans.
	They're barred from getting entry in certain government federal loans.
	Every male's life in the United States today is their only thing is registering for the draft and then going on and living their normal lives.
	So it'd be weird if people were just on the streets.
	If people were on the streets protesting to abolish the draft and I saw that, I'd be like, oh shit, what's going on?
	Like, is there a war happening?
	Because in general, people don't go on the streets and start picketing for something that isn't happening.
	It's just not happening.
	All that's happening is they have to register.
	So should women in California not fight for, even though there's pretty much the same thing.
	But it's a constitutional right.
	And I care about other women.
	Constitutional right?
	I think it's a constitutional right.
	So if we want to get into that, we can.
	But it's also other women are impacted.
	It's not like no men in the United States right now other than being impacted by having to register for.
	Well, that's actually not true.
	There are men alive today who were drafted.
	Yeah, but in the Vietnam War.
	Yes, but there hasn't been, for men that now turn 18 and have to register, it's not going to be a significant part of their lives.
	If there becomes a time where it is a part of their lives and they are being drafted, I think we would see people out on the street.
	I'm almost certain we'd see people out there.
	No, probably not.
	I think.
	It's very unlikely.
	Well, here's a bigger one.
	There are men who would be alive today had there not been the draft.
	And I just said I don't like drafts.
	That's great.
	That's great, but this is a specifically male-focused.
	Yeah, so if we want to go back, if we want to do tit for tat back in history, we can go at it, Brian.
	But yeah, here's an example.
	I don't think those men should have been drafted.
	I'm very sorry that they lost their lives fighting for our country.
	But yeah, if we want to go back in time and talk about when women were oppressed or men were oppressed, we could do that.
	Go ahead, Lauren.
	Well, this is kind of, I mean, the reason why this was mentioned is because of women not wanting responsibility, like draft for voting.
	How do you guys feel about service guaranteeing citizenship?
	We get rid of the draft, but hey, if you want to be able to vote, you have to do some sort of service, including military.
	My thoughts?
	Yeah.
	Everybody's thoughts.
	So in order to vote, you have to join, you have to just sign up for the military or some other form of service.
	But the idea that a vote is not.
	I mean, in Korea, I think there's not just military service.
	They also have different types of service.
	I think some people might have religious qualifications, but the idea that it's often talked about in the manosphere, women want white rights without the responsibility.
	And that's an issue that I have with the feminist movement as well.
	And it's an issue I have with universal suffrage.
	So what about the idea that if you actually want this right, you also have to take on responsibility?
	So that's not gender-specific?
	No.
	So that's just, the only thing, I mean, I think it depends on what would qualify.
	If it's accessible to everybody, like paying tax, no.
	But like, if it's accessible to everybody, then sure.
	But I think it would just create barriers where certain people who had the privilege to sign up for this stuff or had the privilege, like versus someone who's just struggling to get by, is working a bunch of hours, can't also have time to serve their community that they don't get a vote.
	That would be my worry there.
	But it's not gendered.
	So like service, civil service type stuff?
	Right.
	Like they have to do community, like pick up trash.
	Like what exactly is your.
	I mean, I think that would that should qualify.
	I just, I don't like the idea that, and this is often why the draft is brought up because it's in relation to the 19th Amendment.
	Women were given the right to vote, but unlike men, we never had to register for the right to draft.
	And I think that's a legitimate grievance that a lot of men have.
	And I'm just thinking of ways that we could seek to remedy that, but also not have zero military.
	So my remedy is just different than yours.
	I would abolish the draft.
	That's just never going to happen, though.
	You can't abolish the draft.
	I think that there would definitely be a conversation about it.
	We're talking about, again, some crazy, like we're going to go to war.
	And now the draft, I think clearly we haven't used the draft, even though we've had wars in the last 50 years, because there have been people that have volunteered to go.
	We didn't use it for the Iraq war.
	We haven't used it in Afghanistan.
	We haven't used it.
	And I think if there was another war, I don't think we would use it because I think people know there'd be an uproar about it in 2023.
	And I would be on the front line saying we should abolish it, not saying men should be the only ones who have to go.
	Right.
	It hasn't been used in a long time, but that still doesn't nothing to diminish the fact that men are still subject to military conscription.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It shouldn't be the case, but I'm also saying the reason it's not a main issue is because any man who's going to bed or waking up, like, oh my God, I'm so like, I'm in the draft, I'm in the draft, you should get a job and work, like, focus on things that are actually happening to you.
	Let me just say one thing.
	That's rather dismissive of men's concerns when it comes to their basically being forced to die in a military conflict.
	You might think that that's fanciful, that you might think there's not a strong likelihood that, well, certainly in the U.S., perhaps not, but take, for example, Ukraine, which is starting to become a fairly westernized country.
	Still to this day, men between the ages of, I believe, 18 to 60, maybe even 65, they're unable to leave the country.
	Yeah, okay.
	No limit.
	There's no such limit on women.
	Okay, but if we want to go globally on tit-for-tat for women, a lot of places women still can't go to schools.
	Women still can't even drive in some places.
	So if we're going to go globally.
	We can go globally.
	Yeah, so there's much.
	If we're going to go globally, I think there are far more examples of women still being oppressed, especially.
	I mean, like I told you, my parents are from Iran.
	You see what's going on there?
	Women are getting killed for not covering their hair.
	That's not happening anywhere in the world for men.
	And so if we're going to, I think Western society is one where it's more fair.
	But if we're going to go globally, then I think globally, women, that's one example where men may be disadvantaged, but we can find far more with women having less access to education.
	Women are still getting killed for having sex outside of marriage in some places.
	Like honor killings disproportionately affect women.
	Child marriages affect.
	Yeah, I mean, we can go back and forth.
	Exactly.
	That's why I didn't want to use the Ukrainer.
	or victim olympics exactly go back and forth i mean but i'm i'd actually be prepared to make the argument that globally speaking men are oh god okay That, I mean, the sole male grievance of forced military conscription, in my estimation, dwarfs all of women's collective grievances combined.
	Really?
	Something that isn't even affecting them?
	$100.
	Abolish the draft.
	Make military service compulsory for both men and women, with civil service as an alternative for those who are not physically qualified.
	Voting rights tied to service.
	Service guarantees citizenship.
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	Thank you, Raven.
	You wanted to come in on something, Lauren?
	Well, I guess to better understand why someone like Brian might be upset about it, you were clearly upset about the idea of Roe versus Wade being taken from you, but think about it.
	A man can do a lot less to ensure he's not drafted than a woman can do to ensure she doesn't need an abortion.
	So I would say the difference is Roe v. Wade does affect, there have been women since Roe v. Wade has been overturned that weren't able to have access to an abortion.
	There haven't been men in the last 50 years that have been drafted.
	Men don't have any reproductive rights to begin with.
	That's because the baby isn't in your body.
	So once the baby's born, the laws are gender neutral.
	There's no, so once the baby's born, what happens is whichever parent, if there's one primary, one primary caregiver, then they're entitled to child support from the other.
	So child support is actually going up from women to men now because there are more men that are in the primary caretaker role.
	Or neither of you can be the parent and you guys can give it up for adoption now, neither of you.
	But once it's it's so fair because it's literally once the baby's in the stomach of the woman, then she has rights that the male doesn't have.
	But as soon as the child is born, it's equal.
	So you have a problem with biology, honestly.
	No, I don't have a problem with biology.
	Okay, so what's your problem?
	What do you mean?
	That you're mad that men don't have reproductive rights, but men don't carry children.
	Well, there's whatever the choice may be.
	Let's say the woman wants to get rid of the child.
	The man has no say there.
	If she wants to keep the child, the man has no say there.
	And then also there's a term called trying to recall what it is.
	Force or no, it's legal paternal surrender.
	So let's say the woman wants to have the kid, the guy doesn't.
	In a legal paternal surrender scenario, the guy could say, well, I don't want to have any legal obligation to the child.
	So not being subject to having to pay for child support, for example.
	Okay, so this and that.
	So there's a reproductive right, I guess.
	I didn't even know about that.
	No, it's well, it's not, no, that's not something that is the case.
	Oh, well, that's not.
	So once the child is born, for instance, if the woman said, I don't actually want it after it's born, but the father wants it, even if she wants to give it away for adoption, she can't now.
	He, as long as he's fit to be a parent, he can have, he's now the primary custody.
	He is now the primary custodian, and she has to pay him child support.
	So once the child is born, tell me where it's not fair.
	It's only when the child is.
	Yes, but I'm saying before the child is born.
	Yeah, so do you think if men carried the child, do you think it would be like exactly?
	So because it's a biological impossibility, I'm sorry that the world made it so that the child is in our bodies, and that's just the reality of biology.
	It's not because we set out to have it that way.
	I think a lot of women would love if their husbands could carry the child instead or the men could carry.
	That's not the argument I'm making.
	So what is the argument you're making?
	That while the child is in.
	That this idea that abortion is necessarily a gendered issue, men just have no reproductive rights to begin with.
	They don't have reproductive rights when the child is not using their body as a host.
	That's the only time they don't have reproductive rights that are equal to women.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So that's an issue with biology.
	I don't know what to tell you there.
	We didn't decide to be the ones that carry children, but we are the ones that carry children, which means that that is the case.
	Now, if men could carry children too, I'd be all in favor of them being able to make the same decisions with their body that women should be able to make.
	Right, there's obviously biological differences.
	But again, the point I'm trying to make is that men don't have any reproductive rights.
	Now, we can have a debate over what that would potentially look like.
	But what I'm trying to say is men don't have any reproductive rights.
	But men aren't carrying children, and that's why, which is a biological idea.
	Yeah, so it's a biological inequality that I guess for men, it sucks in this instance.
	I don't know how we got to that.
	I don't either.
	Did you have something more, Lauren?
	Not that I remember.
	I would just point out that this is a draft registration card here.
	And note, it says, men 18 to 25, you can handle this.
	You can handle this.
	And there's, you know, don't let the colors fool you.
	That's the registration portion.
	All men have to do this when they turn 18.
	Do most men do it?
	What are the, I'm just curious.
	What are the like?
	Well, I mean, I have, so I'm not from America, so I know a lot of other people who have kind of immigrated later.
	And I have had some of my college friends who've gotten green cards later on in life kind of joke about, hey, if it takes just a few more years, I don't have to register for the draft.
	So it is something that they at least are prompted about, especially if you're kind of- Do you get like an email when you're 18?
	I just don't know how it works.
	Do you get that in the mail?
	No, but I mean, in every single post office in the United States, there's going to be something like this.
	How many of you guys have seen that?
	Well, it's not a part of our lives in America, and it hasn't been for a long time, besides the fact that people can just say men have to register and women can't.
	And I agree, that's unfair.
	No one should have to register.
	But of course, people are not going to be figuring out how to put food on their table, a roof over their heads.
	Nobody cares about the draft right now.
	It's not a thing.
	Well, it's very easy for you to be so dismissive over something that is actually quite important.
	But it's not important to anyone's daily activities of living in 2023.
	And it's not.
	It's not.
	How?
	How is it?
	Because in the event of a war, it would be very important.
	But we've had war since we haven't even spoken other than in these.
	Without it.
	We haven't even talked about, except in these spaces, the possibility of reinstating the draft.
	Every time we talk about going to war, we have a military full of volunteers.
	And I think the government would do more if we needed more recruits to incentivize people to volunteer, paying them more, which I think they should get paid more, giving them more benefits.
	I think those are ways we could recruit people.
	We have not had an enemy that necessitated a draft.
	I mean, we went through 9-11 and we still didn't necessitate the draft.
	Because our, well, okay, now we can have an argument over whether it was appropriate to have invaded the money.
	It wasn't, in my opinion, but that doesn't mean that you did anyway.
	So why didn't we use the draft?
	I think it was a mistake.
	However, there are two opponents that occur to me where a draft may be necessary.
	For example, China or Russia.
	And when that time comes, then we can talk about it.
	But right now, I don't think when that time comes, what are you talking about?
	not happening right now and nobody's talking about using okay right now if we went to war with china or russia i think it would be a huge deal and we would all be discussing what to do but But I think the first step wouldn't be to, okay, get on the news, the draft is reinstated.
	Everyone pack up.
	All men pack up.
	Go to your local airport and get ready to be shipped out.
	I don't think that's how things would go.
	I think, one, we do have the biggest military in the world full of volunteers currently.
	I don't know if we need more people.
	Hold on.
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	Jasmine, you're failing to understand.
	The draft itself is not the argument.
	The requirement to apply isn't that it's significant to a man's daily life because it carries legal consequences if we refuse to apply.
	If the biggest issue for a man in 2023 right now is that he had to spend 10 minutes registering for something that's very likely to not come to fruition, then men have it far better than I thought they did.
	But I guess it's not just the time it takes to register, it's the legal weight behind what you're registering for.
	Like as a man, just in terms of principle, is it fair?
	Is it right that you should have to volunteer for the or register for the draft?
	No, it's not.
	Right, but shouldn't don't you understand people who want to tackle that now?
	Like, shouldn't that be a bigger deal?
	Sure.
	And if you, if that's an issue that you're really passionate about, sure.
	But I think that if we were to make a list of issues going on in our country right now, it wouldn't be in the top 20, in my opinion.
	Now, if there is some guy who just feels like he's being psychologically tormented because he's so afraid of going into the draft, then sure.
	But a lot of Americans are concerned about other things that are affecting their daily life instead of.
	But let's say there was some event.
	I mean, again, it's very dismissive.
	Yeah, we haven't had a draft in a very long time.
	Is it looking like there's going to be a draft?
	No.
	But if there's some scenario where shit hits the fan, there's not going to be like a protracted discussion over, oh, should we do the draft?
	Like, it's going to come quick and it's going to be like, okay, you're drafted.
	In addition to that, he did mention some of the other things.
	So it is technically, let me see here.
	It is technically a felony.
	Failure to register may be fined up to $250,000, imprisoned for up to five years.
	In addition to being subject to prosecution, failure to register may cause you to permanently forfeit eligibility of certain benefits.
	So federal and many state laws require registration-aged men to be registered with the selective service to remain eligible for applying for the following benefits: student financial aid, government employment, employment with the U.S. Postal Service, job training, and U.S. citizenship for male immigrants.
	Yeah, so like I said, I don't like this.
	I want this to be changed.
	But I don't think, I think for men, there are a lot of things we should be focusing on.
	The education gap, the issues with I want you guys to make more money, to get paid more for your work.
	I wouldn't right now be picketing for eliminating the draft because even though you have to register and even though there could be those consequences, like you said, they're not usually enforced.
	I haven't heard of a case, at least maybe I'm just unfamiliar with any case where someone's in peace, okay, in peacetime, certainly they're not going to be enforced.
	Although when it comes to criminal prosecution, not really being enforced.
	However, the negative consequences that I just listed, that's not a question of enforcement.
	Like if you don't register for the draft, then you're fucked when it comes to the financial aid thing I talked about, getting certain jobs.
	If like, this is what I mean, if someone had a petition and they're like to abolish the draft, I would sign it.
	But am I going to spend my time, my resources, my energy right now fighting for this issue?
	I don't think, like I said, if we polled Americans right now, it's about to be a voting year.
	What is your top issue?
	I don't think the draft would even get like 3%.
	And that's because there's just a general lack of caring when it comes to men's issues.
	No, I think it's just a general lack of caring about something that's not happening.
	I was just happening though.
	There is a requirement for men to register for the selective services.
	No, we're not in war.
	It's not wartime.
	So people don't care about it because it's not affecting their lives.
	If it was affecting their lives, I think it would be a voting issue.
	It's clearly not.
	The only people who care about it are the manosphere.
	It's never going to be an issue because it's just the de facto.
	It's the default.
	Men are just viewed as the disposable sex.
	No, I think it's not an issue because men are worried about how they can feed their families.
	They're not worried about potentially being kicked into a draft, which doesn't seem like it's coming to us anytime soon.
	$500 to movie.
	I think that does trigger a mute.
	All right, that's fine.
	I'm tired of this issue anyway.
	Hold on, let me see.
	You come in.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I don't know if I can follow that, but I was just going to mention how it's important to remember that as technology advances, the need for physical people in the military is being reduced.
	And so, you know, as we progress, I think that the issue of the draft potentially could be resolved in the way that no one would need it.
	We just wouldn't need it.
	And also, another thing I think is important to remember is that when there's some sort of war, people usually want to support their country and their side, and there is usually a bit of an uptick in volunteers.
	Hold on, Jason.
	I'm a little data of lawyer.
	I'd run circles around you in court.
	You literally have no credibility by denying the possibility of a war big enough to need a draft.
	No real lawyer would be so short-sighted.
	So stop pretending to be one.
	You clearly aren't.
	Short-sighted.
	Nick, it's a 10-minute mute on number nine, is it?
	All right.
	Sorry, Jasmine.
	We'll get you back.
	We'll get you.
	Yeah.
	You were saying that because the TTS came in and interrupted you.
	Oh, yeah.
	There's usually an uptick in volunteers that want to support their country in some sort of event, you know.
	Just, yeah.
	So I don't, I think it is possible that we can move forward past the need for a draft.
	But I mean, it would require a war that had some like righteous cause.
	I mean, the last time the draft was used was in Vietnam.
	And I mean, I don't think there was a big push from civilians to be like, whoa, this is like a really good cause here.
	No, no, I totally agree with that.
	Yeah, I just, I mean, that's just a small percentage in some cases.
	Historically, that's been the case.
	So, of course, it depends on the situation.
	But yeah, I think the technology thing is pretty relevant in the fact that that could is currently reducing our need for physical manpower in our military.
	Yeah, I mean, warfare is being fought differently, but yeah, like compared to Vietnam, the last time we had a draft, there's no way we need that many bodies again.
	Like, well, we shouldn't have been in Vietnam.
	Well, of course, I agree with that.
	Absolutely.
	But yeah, I think that because of the way that we're fighting war and that's changing, I think that that could eliminate our need for a draft.
	There you have it.
	Okay.
	Nick, can you pull up?
	Oh, I was just going to say one thing.
	Actually, a couple of things.
	I feel like if there was to be like a draft, first of all, I feel like a lot of men actually wouldn't want their women to be involved in the draft.
	I feel like they would fight really hard to protect them not being involved.
	I also think that if there was a draft, I actually think a lot of women would actually want to be involved in the draft to stand up for the country and be more equal to men, just with how things are these days.
	And also, if this is such a huge deal, which I agree that it is, and I think that it could actually possibly scare me too if I was a man.
	But I don't understand why men then aren't fighting more for us to just all try to abolish the draft.
	Because I think most women, if not all women, would support that claim that there just shouldn't be a draft.
	Because there's not really solidarity amongst men in the same way that there's solidarity amongst women.
	They've done studies on this, and women have a strong in-group bias for other women, and men have a slight out-group bias for women.
	So there's not like going to be that same level of solidarity.
	There's also not like the giant machine that is feminism that's just like pumping out and digging its nails into like all these realms of human endeavor.
	Recruitment numbers for U.S. military are at an all-time low.
	Entitled generations want student loan debt forgiven, but aren't willing to sign up for four years of military service to get their tuition paid for.
	Also, young adults are too stupid to pass sess fab.
	Yo, Raven, thank you very much for the very generous TTS.
	Thank you guys.
	Thank you, everybody, tonight, for all the very generous TTS is much appreciated.
	All right, let me read it.
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	We have wait, did we do this one?
	Oh, wait, no, hold on.
	Bender the Offender, ladies.
	Who do you think gets more praise in today's society, boss babes or blue-collar men?
	I can't answer.
	Yeah, sorry, you got another five minutes.
	Go ahead.
	I think boss babes.
	I mean, it's definitely much more in the media and all that about, like, oh, this is a woman-owned company.
	This is this is that.
	So I would say nowadays.
	Who hears a boss babe?
	Show of hands.
	Lauren, are you a boss babe, Lauren?
	I don't.
	I don't think anyone would call me a boss babe.
	A boss babe?
	No, I think they would.
	Yeah.
	I think I would, yeah, for sure.
	Because you're successful.
	You've got a presence online.
	Yeah.
	Do you consider yourself like a political pundit commentator?
	What would you define?
	I'm flexible.
	Just please don't call me an influencer.
	I've had people, and I was very offended, or a vlogger.
	That I don't like either.
	I mean, I think I've definitely done well for myself in terms of a platform, but I feel like when we hear the term, and maybe I'm wrong in this, but when I hear the term boss babe, it's someone who's not just successful, they're also a leader, entrepreneurial.
	They're probably like they have kind of like ambitions to grow almost an empire.
	Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I don't just see it as, oh, you're a successful woman.
	Can a guy be a boss babe?
	Am I?
	I'm a boss babe.
	Totally.
	I can be a boss baby.
	Yeah, you are.
	There you go.
	All right.
	There you have it.
	There you have it.
	All right.
	Thank you, Bender the Offender.
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	Would you prefer that the Nazis won World War II?
	This is a big issue.
	We are on the forefront of the most brutal WW.
	Oh, FC, you care more about abortion, so you can get railed while we die in the Chinese jungle.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Bender the Offender muted her mic, so she can't respond, but I will respond on behalf of her.
	Jan Classen donated $99.
	Let's do away with the draft that implements a two-year mandatory service for all individuals, regardless of second maybe, then some brats would learn responsibility after being put through the ringer.
	Isn't freedom of choice our whole thing in the United States?
	We do have to pay taxes.
	Can't choose not to do that.
	But, I mean, there's a lot of other countries that have the that I think.
	Israel, Singapore, South Korea, I think perhaps Sweden.
	I know Switzerland has compulsory, compulsory male military service.
	There's definitely a lot of countries where the men have to do military service, but the women are exempt, even from doing a civil type thing.
	So, TJ, I will respond on behalf of Jasmine.
	She concurs with everything you said.
	She fullheartedly agrees with every single point you have made.
	Is that what you're saying?
	World War II?
	That's what he said.
	You just agree with him on practically everything.
	But TJ, appreciate him, man.
	All right, we have, let's see.
	Oh, yeah, Bender, he did this one.
	Yeah, I'd say so.
	I definitely think men who work blue-collar jobs should get a little more praise, I guess.
	They're the ones that hold up society, all that.
	All right, we have Josh Berg here.
	Maddie, can you read this?
	The reason I'm so driven to financially provide for my wife is because I don't want her to work, not because she can't, but because I want her to have the most comfortable life.
	She still works because she's working to pay off her debt that she has.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Josh Berg.
	Appreciate it.
	And I didn't, we were having a bad, and you can't even, well, you can talk in a minute, so I'll just talk at you.
	We were talking about like hypergamy and men not really caring about a woman's income.
	And I mean, I think there's a biological evolutionary basis for that.
	But the other argument I would make is one of the reasons men don't really particularly care, and I've made this argument before, is that women don't really share their resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
	So it's even if a guy was inclined to care about a woman's success or income, a lot of women are not prepared, especially early on in a relationship, to provide to the same degree that a man would.
	For example, like paying for the first date.
	A lot of women not cool with paying for the first date.
	Certainly there are some women who are fine with it, but like as a guy going into a first date, there's certainly never an expectation that she's going to pay for the whole date.
	You might be a bit more egalitarian and think, okay, well, maybe we'll split the bill.
	But as a guy, it's kind of a crapshoot.
	You don't know, like, oh, is she going to be cool with splitting the bill?
	A lot of women aren't.
	I'm just, a lot of guys are going to be like, okay, let me just, I'll just pay for it just that to cover my bases.
	So it's like, hold on.
	Let me rant.
	I got to rant for a little more.
	Then you're unmuted.
	So we don't derive a benefit from women's success or their money, certainly up front in a relationship the same way that women might.
	And I'm not saying all men move like this, but there's definitely men who take a girl on a date, nice date, pay for the dinner, might treat her to a concert, take her out somewhere, sometimes spend 50 bucks, 100 bucks on the first date.
	There's even simps out there that they're going to pay for fucking shopping sprees and shit, which is a small, I'd say a small proportion of men, but there's definitely men who are going to lead with their money in that sort of way.
	So, Nick, you can unmute her.
	I'm back, bitch.
	Oh, God.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	Someone can pay you another 500.
	I'd be quiet.
	But I would say that maybe you're right when it comes to just dating, but when it comes to family creation, women are just as likely as men to support their family and their offspring.
	So for that, maybe you're right.
	I don't think people care for like a first date or in the dating phase how much money a woman makes, especially if they're expected and they are planning to provide all that.
	But when it comes to actually long-term relationships, which is what the studies are showing, that men are starting to care more and more about woman's income, about her education is a big one.
	I mean, maternal education has a big impact on kids.
	Those kids end up doing far better, having far higher proficiency levels in math, science.
	They end up doing far better in school.
	Moms who are highly educated expose their children to activities that stimulate their cognitive development.
	There's a study that showed that like kids who have parents that have more than a bachelor's degree hear like 30 million more words by age like something than kids who have parents on welfare.
	Like these are things that you should definitely be thinking about.
	College educated women have lower divorce rates and their marriage.
	I actually heard that.
	No, that is just an absolute, it was even published in 2023.
	2023 stats came out.
	They were in Forbes again.
	And especially when you look at longevity, a woman with a college degree is almost 80% likely to have a marriage that lasts at least 20 years.
	A woman without a college.
	I heard it's more likely if she's college educated to initiate a divorce.
	But that's what you're conflating.
	So you're conflating.
	So you have selection bias.
	So you're looking at couples who are already getting divorced, and then you're saying in those couples that are getting divorced, the women are more likely to initiate if they're college educated.
	You're right.
	But those women are less likely to be in that position in the first place.
	So you have a selection bias by just looking at college people, couples that are getting divorced.
	Well, wouldn't is it really a selection?
	Wouldn't you be looking of the people that are getting divorced, wouldn't you be looking at that?
	Yeah, but of the people that are getting divorced, but they're more less likely to be in that group in the first place.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	Okay, I see what you're saying.
	Yeah, so that's where that people, this sphere, manosphere constantly conflates us.
	I called it out on Fresh and Fit too.
	It's very easy.
	You could look this up super easily.
	So if you're going to look at the couples that are getting divorced, and I think it makes sense, a woman who has more resources is more likely to initiate and leave a shitty situation, but college-educated women are less likely to be in that situation in the first place.
	And you're just looking at people who are already in that situation.
	Well, then, but I've also heard that women who are the breadwinners are more likely to divorce their husbands.
	But again, college education.
	But it's not even just among the cohort of people that are getting divorced.
	It's just is more likely.
	So that has been true.
	It's been narrowing, but that is true.
	But that still doesn't negate the fact that those women who are more educated, especially if you have higher than like a bachelor's degree, like your divorce rate goes down to 25%, which is half of what the general population is.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	Cool stuff.
	Cool stuff.
	Good story.
	Good story.
	But in any case, when it comes to dating, for example, men don't really derive a benefit from a woman's success.
	Well, that study I mentioned that Corinne did showed that they put people, they put like millions of dating app users and they put their faces and they put their income and both men and women were more likely to rate someone as more attractive, both men and women, including men, were more likely to rate a woman as attractive when she had higher income.
	So they're starting to care, at least on dating apps.
	Now, I don't know if these people were dating for marriage or what they were dating for.
	I think this would be a bigger deal if you're looking for marriage.
	And it's also the bigger deal for women if they're looking for long-term relationships.
	We talk about all the time.
	Women who are looking for shorter-term relationships care more about the physical attractiveness of their significant other.
	Women who are looking for long-term relationships care more about other things.
	Disavow.
	Like, okay.
	You can talk about the studies, right?
	But, I mean, maybe we can ask all the girls here at the table.
	And perhaps we asked this to you last time.
	Would you, if on the first date the guy asked to split the bill, would you take coral with that?
	Depends.
	If he asked to take me to dinner, if he asked me, then I expect the person who asked to pay.
	So yeah.
	Okay, I mean, here, we'll go around the table and I'll address that.
	What about you?
	I wouldn't have a problem with it.
	I would be fine with that.
	And sometimes I would even offer to pay the entire bill myself.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think it's case by case, but I do, I don't know.
	Oh, sorry.
	I think it's so circumstantial because I do kind of agree that if you're asked to be like wined and dined, and then all of a sudden they're like, oh, so you got half.
	I do think that would be kind of like, hmm.
	But yeah, so I think it just depends on like the conversation, the relationship before, because also if it wasn't like that, like they were all like, big gang, I'm going to take you out, then I wouldn't mind splitting at all.
	So yeah, I think it kind of depends.
	Yeah.
	I actually want to add to my answer, kind of going off of yours.
	I would be slightly mad if they asked to do like halvesies.
	Like if we did separate checks, I'd be fine because I don't drink and normally drinks are expensive.
	So if we went half on, and they were drinking, I'd be like, mm-mm.
	Okay.
	Lauren, what about you?
	I've split the bill on dates.
	I've paid for a lot of dates too.
	I think I don't like the idea that you should have to have a financial investment just to get to know.
	Like if I were single, I don't think it should be dependent on a financial loss potentially for you just to get to know me.
	Madison?
	I would most definitely love if a man paid for the whole entire thing, but I don't mind at all either.
	Okay.
	So you mentioned that if the guy asked you, then he should pay.
	More often than not, who's asking for the first date?
	The guy or you?
	Are you advocating for some type of affirmative action here, Brian?
	We stop asking for affirmative action, but it just happens to be, just like it happens to be with firefighting, that more men can meet the standard.
	Men ask women out more.
	That is true.
	So they're more likely to because they ask, in my opinion, the person who asks is hosting.
	When someone says, can I take you out to dinner?
	I assume you want to take me out to dinner.
	Yes, if you word it like that, but if you, for example, you're like, do you want to grab some food?
	That's a bit more ambiguous.
	Or like, are you free for dinner?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So for me, it's still that person asking personally.
	That's what I think.
	I think the person that asks me.
	So you would take an issue.
	I would.
	And one of the reasons for that is I would assume, because one, if he asked, and two, because still we're in this society where he's expected to pay and he's foregoing that, and he didn't even mention it.
	And first of all, I've never had that happen.
	But if it did, I would assume he's just a cheap and stingy person.
	And me, from the culture I'm from, like, I am fighting to pay for everybody.
	And it's not just a gender thing.
	I just went to lunch with a colleague.
	He's like in his 50s, old colleague, Mormon guy in his 50s.
	I paid.
	Like, he took out his wallet.
	I said, no, let me pay.
	I constantly try to pay for my friends.
	We're always fighting for the bill.
	So it's not about that, but I'd be afraid that he's one of those people who's going to be like, I'm not even friends with people who are like, can you Venmo me for the Skittles?
	Because I don't even know how to be friends with someone like that.
	I'm like afraid to hang out with them because if they're running into the gas station and they're like, do you want anything?
	I'm like, no, because I'm so afraid that they're going to be so perplexed by having to pay for something of mine.
	So a guy who's automatically showing me that behavior, I don't even split checks with my friends.
	It's more like, okay, I'll get you.
	You get me next time.
	So I would never want to be with, have a friend or a significant other who likes to split checks.
	It's just not part of me or my culture.
	And I like that part of my culture.
	Okay, but you do acknowledge that it is a stereotypical gender role to expect a guy to pay for the first date.
	It is.
	Okay, well, I mean, how do you reconcile that with your rather egalitarian view on other things?
	I don't think that it should be.
	I don't think the stereotype should be in place in the sense of because he's a man, he should pay, which is why when I just went to dinner, I mean, to lunch with a colleague and he's a man and he's much older than me, I asked to pay.
	So I wasn't that wasn't a romantic scenario.
	It wasn't a romantic scenario.
	And I said, if I ask a guy out, I'll pay.
	And after the first date, like if I want to see you again and I'm like, after that, they don't have to pay for every date.
	But usually, if you ask me to be there in the first place, then I think you should pay.
	And if you don't pay, then I'd be like, oh, he's just like a cheap, stingy person.
	That would be my impression of it.
	And it's like, you asked me to be here and you're not paying.
	Now.
	Well, the guy asking you to be there, you admitted yourself that you don't really ask men to go out on dates.
	No.
	So, I mean, if men are de facto the ones that have to ask women for dates, then they don't have to ask women.
	They just have to ask me if you want me to go out because I barely leave my house.
	So there's no way I'm asking a random guy to go out on a date.
	I'll barely go out to see my friends.
	Right.
	So even you, somebody who's not really out and about, you're still expecting a guy to take on the burden of having to initiate.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he has to take the burden to initiate.
	And the bottom line is just the way things work.
	It may not be fair.
	Life is not fair.
	But far more men want to go out with me than I do with them initially.
	Now.
	That's how it is, though.
	That's just how it is.
	Yeah.
	So therefore, if men are initiators, I think they should pay for the first date.
	Yeah, but that's.
	Sorry, I have a question for you.
	So would you be open to, like, if a guy asks you to do something where, like, hey, do you want to go for a walk or a run?
	Like, would you, would that be an acceptable date idea?
	Maybe not a walk around because I always wear heels, but I'm okay with like, oh, you know, there's fireworks going on at the park tonight.
	Do you want to go do that?
	Yeah, I don't expect them to take me on some expensive lavish date.
	In fact, that would kind of make me uncomfortable because I still have that part of me that like, because I make good money.
	Like when I'm at a restaurant, I just order whatever the fuck I want.
	If I knew someone else was paying for it, I would be like, okay, let me not get this appetizer.
	Let me not.
	Like, I do have that in my head.
	And it's actually more uncomfortable, but yeah.
	Right.
	Well, I guess it's just convenient that if your position is, well, whoever asks should pay, it does sort of glance over and overlook the fact that men de facto are the ones who are initiating and who are asking women out on dates.
	I think that's just the reality.
	I don't think that that's that.
	I think women who want to ask men out on dates should.
	And I don't think there's anything.
	Yeah, but overwhelmingly women don't.
	Yeah, and that's just the reality of it is what it is.
	Like men are going to ask women out more.
	And so because of that, because they're in that role, then yeah, they might, they're going to have when it comes to something that perhaps is negatively impacts men, it is what it is.
	I don't think it's how it should be.
	Well, no, but you said you do think so because you said that men should ask.
	I don't think that men.
	No, I don't think that women, men should be asking women out more than women ask men out.
	I just think that's the reality of the situation.
	What do you mean?
	Is it wishful thinking?
	I'm saying it shouldn't.
	I'm saying it shouldn't have.
	It shouldn't.
	I'm not saying that I think that it should be the case, but it is the case, and that's just the reality.
	Just like I said, it's the reality that women carry children.
	The way the dating market works, if we're talking about reality and this is the truth and the red pill, it is the case that men generally are more likely to be the chasers and the initiators of dates.
	And unless you want to implement some kind of affirmative action here.
	Yes, let's implement.
	I don't know what else to do about that.
	Women will be legally obligated to hit on one dude a week.
	There we go.
	By law.
	If you don't, it's a felony.
	You get thrown in jail.
	Sorry, you didn't talk to enough dudes.
	All right, let me do a couple chats here.
	We have, did we do this one?
	Yeah.
	Did we do this?
	Did we do this one?
	No.
	Who's Lauren?
	Me?
	Oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	Okay, yeah, yeah, my bad.
	I'm looking at this side of the table.
	Lauren.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
	Do you want me to read it?
	Oh, yeah, can I read?
	Sorry, I don't have my glasses.
	Oh, that's fine.
	Madison, can you read it?
	Lauren, in digital's arcane depths, your erudite exposition sign.
	Embracing variegated paired.
	I cannot pronounce any of these.
	Madison did not have general education.
	I didn't.
	No, those are hard.
	This is a very well-crafted comment.
	Yeah.
	Jasmine, read it.
	I'm not reading this.
	Embracing variegated paradigms, your crafted profundities, epitomize wisdom's zenith.
	Intellectual alchemy beckons wisdom seekers in utmost reverence.
	Wow.
	AI definitely brought up a lot of people.
	It's like a poet.
	Look at her comment.
	People comment on her versus me.
	Like, why can't I get this?
	Even negatively.
	Just give me this kind of word choice.
	It's beautiful.
	Might have something to do with your chosen profession, I read.
	Yeah, and that's mad.
	Less educated, I think.
	All right, we have Ryan the Eating Warrior.
	Madison?
	It's cool.
	The way she laughs about the draft, I laugh about Roe v. Wade being overturned.
	For someone claiming to be so educated, you're coming off kind of tarted.
	NGL.
	Oh, my God.
	I mean, at least you need to write your.
	A win is a win.
	Okay.
	I've known thousands of women in my life, and Jasmine is truly the most annoying of all.
	Please don't ever bring it back on the show.
	Wow.
	Damn.
	First of all, why does every single person spell my name differently that's commented?
	Like, it's been spelled so many ways.
	That is a good question.
	That is a good question.
	Why?
	A-Z-M-E-N.
	Can they not spell her name?
	Who knows?
	It is a mystery that will elude us for decades.
	Okay, Madison, go ahead.
	It's so foolish for this woman to say there's no need for a draft.
	Basically, all big wars had drafts.
	We would have lost to the Nazis without a draft.
	All these dumb things you say were protected by that draft.
	Foolish people.
	I mean, it's not World War II anymore.
	So much has changed since then.
	It's like, we already have the biggest military in the world.
	I don't think our concern as a society right now should be how do we expand our military through the draft.
	Or thinking about some scenario.
	Like, again, I think there's a reason that this is not an issue when it comes to voting.
	If it was, if people were really worried about this, men or women, it would be because our politicians like to exploit what people are worried about in order to win.
	People are worried about the economy, inflation, how to feed their kids.
	They're worried about how to pay off their debt.
	They're not like, I'm just waking up every morning, like, rocking.
	Is today the day?
	Is today the day I'm going to get drafted?
	That's just not happening.
	Hmm.
	Cute.
	But, okay, we already talked enough about that.
	Yeah, I agree.
	They're going to mute me.
	Thank you, Austin Smith.
	I appreciate it.
	If a man you're interested in admitting something made him cry or you saw him cry, would your feelings for him change?
	Stop the cap.
	I love that.
	I love whenever men show emotion and cry.
	No, it's not caps.
	Such bullshit.
	It is not.
	Such bullshit.
	It is not.
	Actually, my boobaloo said he never cried before we got together.
	And he's a huge dude.
	And sometimes he does cry.
	And I just fall more in love.
	No cap.
	I second this.
	Men being able to be vulnerable in front of me makes me feel like I did something right in giving them the space to show their emotions and to trust me enough as their partner to be okay being themselves in front of me.
	And I think, oh, sorry.
	Your thoughts, Lauren?
	I think there's a limit.
	I think as a woman, it would be very hard to have a partner who cries regularly.
	You know, I think that's not cry regularly.
	No, yeah.
	So I think there's a time and a place.
	But in general, nobody should cry regularly.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think in general, it's attractive when a man is more stoic.
	And I agree, though, even for women, I'm not looking for someone who cries a lot as a friend.
	That's annoying.
	I understand that you want to feel like the only person that your partner can be vulnerable with because he trusts you more than everyone.
	And I think that's what women talk about when they say, I want a man to cry in front of me.
	But I don't think any woman wants a man who makes it a habit.
	Let's just put it that way.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Man or woman.
	Yeah.
	It's like, I don't know if you guys saw Elemental, the new Pixar movie, but I hated that crying water guy because he was always crazy.
	It was so annoying.
	Why is water?
	Water doesn't need to be always crying.
	So that was frustrating.
	Your thoughts?
	I might get a lot of hate for this, but it kind of makes me uncomfortable when, kind of like you said, when anyone's really emotional around me.
	I myself am not an emotional human.
	And so I actually had to have a conversation with one of my friends the other day because, you know, it was one of those things where it was just paragraphs of feelings.
	And, you know, this is actually during Elemental.
	My sister's like that.
	She's probably watching this.
	She started bawling watching that.
	And I was so uncomfortable.
	I was like, what are you doing?
	And that's my sister.
	So, anyways, like I was saying, so not just men, but if anyone is too emotional, I'm uncomfy.
	I shut down.
	I'm like, no, please go talk to someone, anyone else.
	Yeah, I think this idea of I don't believe this idea that Arab Money52 donated 1,000.
	I got one.
	I got one here.
	Dude, Arab Money.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to pause.
	Yo.
	Sure.
	Yo, thanks.
	Hold on.
	I thought I was being muted.
	What's up?
	I thought I was being muted.
	Arab Money, if you want, you can mute Jasmine.
	Let us know.
	It is above the.
	Oh, thank you, Matt.
	Matthew McCarthy donated $99.
	Thanks for throwing me under the bus.
	Chat is going in on me, ha ha.
	I only cry around you, ha ha.
	My last one for the night, I think.
	I need to nap so I can drive Bubala home.
	Brian, first time in Santa Barbara.
	It's gorgeous.
	Love you, Bubala.
	Love you.
	You're welcome.
	Yo, Matt, thank you for the TTS.
	This is for Arab Money here.
	All right, hold on.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Wait, Jasmine, can you just come stand over here?
	I need to chat with the case back.
	Like this.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	Yay.
	All right.
	Who wants some champagne?
	Can I legally drink this?
	No.
	Yo, Arab Money52.
	Thank you, man.
	By the way, what's your actual name?
	Here, I'm going to message you and ask you for your actual name.
	I am still getting over my illness.
	I don't know if you can hear my voice.
	Sound scuffed.
	Lauren?
	I don't drink it.
	I'm not a big drinker either.
	I don't drink.
	Never had a drop.
	Never?
	Never even tried it.
	Come on.
	I've never had a drop.
	Do you want?
	Don't peer pressure her.
	Not at all.
	It doesn't taste good.
	This is a apple cider.
	All right.
	I'm going to have a little, okay?
	And I'm a lightweight, so holy shit.
	I almost.
	Well, if anybody changes their minds, it is there.
	All right.
	This is to you, Arab Money52.
	Did you message me what your name is?
	He says, just say my name is Mitch Jones.
	Okay.
	To Mitch Jones.
	Mayor C. Buku for the very generous patronage.
	By the way, he actually sent one, a thousand dollar one over break.
	Unfortunately, I wasn't able to trigger it.
	It's kind of scuffed.
	But Arab Money52.
	Mitch Jones.
	I dedicate this.
	Well, cheers with all of anything.
	Salute.
	Oh, my God.
	I never drink.
	I never drink.
	Does no one who drink?
	That's not a big drinker.
	I go to UCSP.
	I mean.
	You should.
	You should.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Your patronage is very much appreciated.
	i'm forgetting where we were was somebody oh about like men crying things like oh Oh, yeah, men crying.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Okay, this idea that women are attracted to men who are vulnerable, I disagree with.
	I don't think it's the case.
	Because if that was the case, like, for example, a lot of women say they like men who are confident, but wouldn't it be vulnerable to like step to a girl and kind of be a little awkward or a little shy or a little nervous?
	That would be being vulnerable.
	However, I think women are not attracted to that.
	That's the thing.
	I think vulnerable is being confident sometimes.
	The vulnerability is only attractive if it's contrasted with the confidence.
	Because you don't want to, no one wants, I mean, it's just true, in general, like a very awkward, uncomfortable guy who doesn't make eye contact.
	People don't want that, but what they want is they're strong.
	I'm sorry.
	It's the liquor.
	What women actually want is they want someone who is very confident and frankly masculine to then show exclusively to her in certain moments vulnerability, therefore showing that he trusts her more than other people.
	That's what's attractive.
	It's not just blanket vulnerability.
	I agree with Valdez.
	And you can have both.
	It goes both ways.
	And, you know, everyone.
	It kind of sounds like vulnerability when it's convenient.
	Yes, that would be accurate.
	Okay, that's it.
	Okay, there you go.
	There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
	Okay.
	Well, actually, if I think about just my personal relationships with friends, two of the happiest relationships that I know, one is actually my friend who's a man who's dating a woman, and one is a woman that's my friend who's dating a man.
	And the man that's my friend is really, really like emotional and I would say vulnerable with his woman and kind of just with people in general.
	But he's also really confident.
	And they have an extremely happy relationship.
	And then one of my girlfriends who's with a man who's or no, yeah, who's with a man who's extremely emotional, they also have a really happy, like amazing relationship.
	And then I can think of two girlfriends who are dating men who are more closed off and don't really show that side.
	And like she's pretty miserable with him.
	So go ahead.
	Okay, here's a scenario.
	I'm going to paint a scenario for all of you here at the table.
	Let's say you've been dating a guy for a year, and he's big into playing World of Warcraft.
	Now, he's in one of the top rating guilds on his server.
	He plays Alliance, and he his guild, it's Loot Council.
	So there's a lot of favoritism in the loot system, and he was overlooked in a major loot decision.
	So Gressel, they're KT, Max Ramis.
	Gressel drops.
	Now, he thinks he's in line for Gressel, which is the best, best in slot sword for rogues and warriors.
	Right.
	Now, he thinks he's in line for Gressel, but someone new to the guild gets Gressel instead of him, and he's so upset that he starts crying.
	Starts crying over Gressel.
	I mean, it's nice to see that.
	No, it's nice to see that he cares about something, and if that's something he's interested in.
	I mean, if that's something that he's passionate about, then that's something he's allowed to be passionate about.
	That's not my choice, or he's totally within his rights to be to cry over something he cares about.
	I mean, my husband is a pretty dedicated Eve player, so I understand how for some men, this isn't just games, it's a hobby, and it's their social group.
	So I think it's perfect.
	Like, if that really mattered to him, then I would be sad that it didn't work out for him.
	Your husband plays Eve online.
	Okay.
	I'm not familiar with the.
	I've heard of the game.
	It's like a space MMO or something like that, I think.
	Oh, it is.
	He would say it is so much more than that.
	I heard it's pretty hardcore.
	He has spreadsheets out and they have meetings about it and then like post-fleet meetings.
	It is intense.
	Have you ever seen him get worked up about Eve online?
	Yes.
	I have heard rants about inner Eve drama as well.
	And that's the thing I know, no, but I care about it because he cares about it.
	Wow.
	That's a keeper right there.
	Just like if there's something I care about, I want my partner to also back me up on that and support me with whatever I care about.
	It goes both ways.
	To an extra moment, my argument didn't work very well.
	All right.
	All right.
	There you have it, folks.
	They don't mind if you freak the fuck out about shitty loot drama.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	We have Jonathan D. Madison to the 37-year-old, six figures, two kids, married 15 years.
	I watch because my son found Tate.
	Why do these shows complain about men doing everything?
	Why would I want women drafted when they aren't as good militarily?
	We are the men and life isn't fair.
	Stop whining.
	Well, there you have it, folks.
	Equality.
	That's why you would want it.
	So you don't want a meritocracy now?
	Well, I don't think it's whining to want progress or something better, is what I would say.
	Word.
	I was just saying, like, do you want a meritocracy or do you want, like, do you want those that are best for the job?
	Because you seem to be anti-affirmative action, which I don't necessarily disagree with you when it comes to things like gender for women getting in, like, in STEM jobs and stuff.
	But even if they're not as well-equipped, that's what affirmative action is.
	Do you think for the military that that would be something you'd be in favor of?
	Would you be in favor of lowering the standards for at least physical standards so that women could get in more in those roles?
	For equality?
	I'm not in favor of lowering physical standards and whether it's police, military, firefighters, I'm not in favor of that.
	Yeah, so do I.
	So then you're not for equality there.
	Well, it's not equal.
	That's not equality.
	Well, the whole point of programs like affirmative action is to promote diversity and equality.
	That's equity, though, not equality.
	Okay, it's fair.
	Equity.
	Wouldn't equality just be there's the women have the opportunity, but it's the same standard across the board.
	You both have to do fucking 100 push-ups or whatever it is.
	So if women were required to sign up for the draft, but they just weren't picked because men were better suited, and so they want to take men first because they're better suited, would you have a problem with that?
	Would I have a problem with if they were if they had a draft and everyone we obviously all need to go to this war?
	So they were trying to take some people first and then they run out.
	They're like, okay, we have enough people.
	Would you be okay with more men being in and women?
	Because that's already a thing.
	I mean, even in the volunteer forces, men are more likely to be frontline combat soldiers.
	So would you have an issue if the draft was opened up to men and women but women weren't accepted because they would rather take men first because they're more suited for the military.
	Would you have an issue with that?
	I mean, there's certainly an argument to be made about physical capability.
	So practically speaking, like if the argument is that men are better combat soldiers and they've done studies on this and the military has done studies on this, for example, men are far less likely to be injured in like high-impact running scenarios, especially with weight.
	A woman's much more likely to get like an ACL terror.
	I think they've done studies on like ACL terrors in the military and women are much more likely to because of just the innate differences in our anatomy.
	Yeah.
	So.
	So if women had to register for the draft but they just weren't being drafted for the reason that you just for the reasons you just stated, would that be a problem for you?
	Because they would need more men or people that are fit physically.
	That's what I'm saying.
	When it comes to defense, I think the person who's best suited for the job should do it.
	So if it was men overwhelmingly and women were had to register but they were never drafted because they'd rather take men where you're just certain better for the country.
	There's just certain biological anatomical realities that men are likely to be better soldiers when it comes to combat.
	Okay, yeah, I agree.
	Just seeing if you agree.
	Just for purely physical reasons.
	Not to say that a woman couldn't do it.
	I agree.
	But generally speaking, men have certain physical fitness.
	Yeah, I'm saying if our military was 50% men and 50% women, I think it'd be a worse military than if it was the majority men.
	And only a small percentage of what our military does is physical combat jobs that require the physical fitness that males may have over females biologically for that position is what I'm saying.
	So there's plenty of places for women to be in our military and to be useful in a draft situation.
	That's yeah, for sure.
	Yeah, there's definitely all kinds of roles in the military that are not related to like direct like a combat frontline position.
	Oh, here we go.
	Thanks, Doc.
	Doc Benabilly has donated $100.
	Lauren has established herself as the smartest woman on the panel.
	Sorry, Maddie.
	Pink G's.
	You try too hard and you come across as irritating.
	Stop letting your mouth run ahead of your supertentorial synaptic activity.
	Wax your brain in case you missed it.
	Super tentorial.
	Yeah, I'm glad I'm sure you looked this up and found a way to write this comment, and I'm really proud of you.
	And I just feel like if this audience was happy with me, I'd be doing something wrong.
	So all right, we have, let's see.
	Oh, wait.
	This one, did he send it twice?
	Hold on.
	No, this is a different one.
	Oh.
	Oh, but I can't read that.
	I cannot read that.
	It hurts my brain.
	Come on, Maddie.
	Give it a shot here.
	It a crack.
	Oops.
	Oh, oh, okay, we'll get to that.
	Lauren, within digital's esoteric tapestry, you're purse perspicacious.
	Perspicacious exigesis navigating epistemic realms.
	Your overtouches eruditions, apogee, and I can't do this.
	You got it.
	You're almost there.
	Enigmatic beacon to avid cognoscenti.
	Avid cognizanti with deepest obsequiousness.
	Well, thank you.
	Thank you, I think.
	And if you're not subscribed on YouTube, I hope you do because you can hear me talk a lot a lot more on there.
	I'm still in school for a reason, guys.
	Just saying.
	All right, we have the cast man.
	Go ahead, Maddie.
	The draft is likely to happen now because of the recruitment crisis.
	They just activated the inactive guard for the first time since right before the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
	Also, the Siet Far is writing articles questioning the possible need of a draft.
	There you have it, folks.
	We are going to war, and Jasmine's going to be on the front lines.
	The resurgence of logic.
	Thank you, Brian.
	You seriously need more men because these three FOs are so clueless about the male experience.
	Say the world.
	Say the word, and I will fly.
	Let me trigger it again.
	Oops.
	Out to debate with these bad faith actors.
	I would relish the chance to point out the flaws in their luck.
	Logic.
	In real time, hashtag mute jazz.
	Okay, there you have it.
	I'm willing to.
	Alifen, you can debate me.
	DM me on Instagram.
	We'll do a live debate.
	I'm not.
	She'll do it off camera.
	There you go.
	I'm willing to do it here or off camera.
	All right, we have KV Moga.
	Thank you, Brian.
	A lighter question.
	Actually, Madison, can you read this?
	Brian, a lighter question.
	You are helping OF girls, intentionally or not, to sell more subscriptions on your platform.
	If the guys who pay for these subscriptions are called simps, what should the podcast hosts to be called?
	Maybe OFPIMPs?
	Oh.
	Oh, I'm a pimp?
	I suppose that is one way in which you could.
	I think you'd need to be getting a cut of their income for that to be.
	All right, Jasmine, let's talk.
	I mean, are you going to give me part of the like $1,500 people spent to talk about me?
	Nope.
	Yeah.
	I should.
	People have suggested that I start asking for a cut from the girls, but affiliate marketing.
	I don't think that would happen.
	But well, Jasmine, maybe you can, from your last appearance, how'd you do?
	It was good.
	Fresh and Fit was a lot better.
	Oh, excuse me.
	Like with the subs.
	I'm sorry.
	With the subs, I think my episode.
	I talked more on there, but yeah, it's decent.
	It's decent.
	I did a poll the other day on where people found me, and I put podcasts and articles and everything together, and that was around like 13% of my income.
	Doc Venabili has donated $100.
	Did not look it up.
	Nick, can you buy it?
	I have authoritative comprehension via erudition and derivative experiential analysis.
	You, on the other hand, are parroting destiny's talking points.
	I'm smarter than you.
	Cry, baby, cry.
	Definitely sounds like a comment made by a person that has very amazing intellect.
	He says he's smarter than you.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It must be true.
	It must be true.
	Must be true.
	And again, I don't think these are, I don't think it's my talking points or his talking points.
	These are just things like if you look up the stuff that you hear them say, it's sometimes false.
	Like a lot of, like the college educated stat you guys constantly conflate.
	Or talking about how women fare off in divorce when women fare off far worse financially after divorce than men and are less likely to repartner.
	Yes, that is women fare worse.
	Yeah, men fare off worse psychologically, but women are more likely their standard of living.
	Financially goes down, they're more likely to be in poverty, seek government assistance.
	Please look this up.
	Men are more likely to suffer alcohol, drug abuse, unalive themselves, get sick, like all of those things.
	So psychologically, men fare off worse after divorce, but financially, women fare off worse.
	Please look up divorce.
	That's just wrong on its face.
	Why is it wrong on its face?
	It's just wrong on its face.
	Because when it comes to faring worse, men overwhelmingly pay child support and alimony.
	Yes, but the woman's standard of living still goes down after divorce and the man's is less likely to.
	That's why I'm saying look it up.
	Yeah, but that's not clear to me if that's them faring worse financially.
	They're more likely for their standard of living to decrease after divorce.
	They're more likely to seek government assistance, more likely to be in poverty.
	Like child support, you mentioned it.
	I think only like 20 something percent, like it's not like everyone who's ordered to pay child support does.
	In fact, the majority don't.
	So the majority don't pay child support.
	I think look that up.
	I'm not going to.
	Yeah, but you can also look up the divorce stuff I'm talking about.
	That is.
	Well, speaking of child support, I mean, it's one of the ways in which we still have debtors' prisons, which doesn't exist for other kinds of debts.
	What do you mean?
	Well, almost men exclusively.
	If you don't pay child support, you're likely to be thrown in jail.
	Well, they're going to garnish wages before they do that.
	Also, child support payments from women to men are going up.
	It's not gendered.
	Okay, they're going up, but I mean, it's still insignificant.
	Again, the rules, the laws are gender neutral.
	Lauren, you wanted to come in on something?
	Not that I remember, but I have opinions about child support.
	How would you all feel about child support being determined based off like mandatory paternity testing, as well as actually having to, I know I've heard a lot of men complain about their child support not actually going to the child, like needing, I guess, better documentation, more transparency in terms of the child support payments.
	I'm fine with that.
	Valid.
	Sounds good to me.
	Yeah, I think it makes total sense.
	Yeah.
	I think that in the same way, like with SNAP benefits, food benefits.
	You okay?
	I'm going to get one.
	Okay.
	There should be a limitation on what you can spend with child support.
	Like if you have SNAP benefits, you have food benefits, you can only buy food with that card.
	So I think you should only be able to, you can't go get your nails done.
	It needs to be for the child.
	It needs to be dedicated for the child on a credit card, a card issued by the court or something.
	I mean, I think also the point of child support is because the person who's paying the child support isn't like watching the child all the time.
	Like they're seeing them, what, maybe one or twice a week at the most, a lot of times.
	So I think, and sometimes they just don't see them at all, like someone who's very close to me.
	So I don't really think, I mean, I think it all kind of evens out.
	I mean, I do hear the argument, and I don't even necessarily disagree with it, but I just think if you're primarily watching and taking care of the child and you spent $1,000 on them that month, but then their $200 child support card, you like got gas with it or something that wasn't necessarily directly correlated to the child.
	It's still like you spent the $1,000.
	So, I don't really, I think it kind of like evens out.
	But I mean, I also don't disagree with that.
	So, can you do things like gas?
	Like, how exactly?
	I mean, I think if it's indirect, like, obviously, if you have care of the kids, you're going to be driving around and things like that.
	And I think something like a card or even a joint bank account where you can both monitor purchases, I think, would do a lot to bring more transparency to someone.
	It would just be really hard practical.
	Like, let's say you spent $100 at Target.
	All the statement shows is that you spent $100 at Target.
	Are we supposed to be able to get a lot of money?
	I mean, when we itemize for business expenses, we have to keep our receipts.
	I don't think it's unreasonable for, like, if you're using that money for something, to just keep a receipt.
	I think as long as we can take that burden off of the single mom who already has a billion other things to worry about, then to also have to add this additional hurdle.
	I think if we can eliminate that, then I'm for it.
	Because it's really hard to keep.
	I mean, yeah, I run a business, you may run a business, it's not easy.
	And I mean, you and I probably make enough that we can delegate it on to our CPU.
	Like, single moms, a lot of them aren't in that position financially to be able to do that.
	So I just want to make sure that whatever policy you're trying to advocate for won't have an una huge burden.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't really know what the minutiae of that would look like, but I do remember what I was going to say regarding you guys talking about whether women fare better or worse in divorce.
	I think there's a difference between saying women tend to fare better financially in the divorce terms than men, while also recognizing that after the fact, a woman is more likely to do worse financially compared to when she was in the marriage, which I think is what you two are disagreeing about, what you're actually talking about.
	Yeah, so this idea that women are just getting divorced because they want all this money when they tend to actually do, and that's one of the reasons I think college-educated women and people with more resources are more likely to initiate.
	Because I think for a lot of women who don't have their own resources, one of the reasons maybe they don't get divorced is because they know that their standard of living will inevitably decrease.
	I mean, but if the man's the breadwinner and she wants a divorce, wouldn't it stand to reason that you no longer get access to the benefits of that partnership?
	It depends.
	Like if she gave up a career and everything and they have this system where it's like, I will be the breadwinner and you've given up your career to raise the kids.
	I think this is why these rules were implemented in the first place.
	It's like, okay, because you did that, we don't want, do you want to leave women like that high and dry?
	Woman who's stayed home, raised the kids, raised three, four kids, and then the guy runs off with his, has an affair and runs off, she should be left with nothing.
	Well, I think that's why we used to not have like no-fault divorces because those kind of situations, it does matter how the marriage ends.
	Obviously, if a woman is married to someone, she invests, you know, her youth, her livelihood taking care of the kids to take care of him, and then he does her dirty basically.
	It's very different than if a woman is just, for example, a trophy wife, doesn't work, doesn't have kids, and then she wants to divorce him.
	So I'm forced to get away with that.
	Do you think the majority of divorces are these trophy wife situations?
	Or do you think divorce is super hard for both sexes, no matter the circumstances, and people aren't just doing it willy-nilly to get a paycheck, especially when we're seeing, at least statistically, it doesn't seem like women are getting this paycheck unless you're using Melinda Gates as an example.
	It's not the reality for most women.
	i don't think women i don't think people should be forced to stay in a divorce unless the government has like okay you were cheated on and you have to prove it like that's just going to open up but we're not just talking about staying in marriage talking about whether he might actually have to pay to support her so obviously it's like so you're saying he should only have to pay to support her if there's a reason if If there's two people and she's home taking care of the kids, he's off.
	Let's say he didn't cheat, but let's say they're just like, hey, this isn't working.
	I'm really unhappy.
	You're really unhappy.
	We're arguing.
	Let's get a divorce.
	She shouldn't, even though she gave up all those years raising the kids, she shouldn't get anything out of that.
	I guess it depends on who files.
	Who files for divorce?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I think alimony as a concept has been really overused.
	And I think that's a lot of the reason why young men especially are hesitant to get married is because there's for a lot of men, they don't see any benefit from it.
	You're just putting yourself at a disadvantage if someday she could say, you know what, I'm not really feeling this anymore.
	I'm going to divorce you, but you're still going to be responsible for paying for me for the rest of your life.
	Like I said, I'm very, I'm pro-prenump, and alimony is not gendered.
	It's literally a formula in most states.
	And so in a situation, I do think like, yeah, if a man wants to get married, you should think about this.
	You should think about this possibility.
	But I don't think that it's fair that a woman who has given up so much in order to be a homemaker shouldn't have any, like, shouldn't have anything.
	She should just be left on the street afterwards if she's unhappy in that moment.
	Well, there's a difference between saying, hey, let's look at what our assets are currently and what we've invested in together and kind of split that however it may be versus going forward, let's have continued payments.
	So there's a difference there.
	There's a difference between saying, hey, we built this together even though I was at home.
	So let's do some sort of split versus I should be entitled even going forward to some of what you're doing.
	So you think whatever assets they have in the marriage at the time should be split, but it shouldn't be future payments.
	So you're just against alimony.
	You're not against asset division.
	Depending on the circumstance.
	Okay.
	I think that it, again, depends on the circumstance.
	And I do think courts generally do.
	That's why alimony payments have gone down in general.
	But I do think that courts do look at, okay, what was the dynamic of this?
	And they do come to an equitable decision usually.
	And I get that.
	Courts come to equitable decisions when it comes to the same thing.
	Yes.
	So this is another thing you guys constantly.
	That's not true at all.
	Yes.
	Men constantly get in situations where they're in terrible situations when it comes to alimony and child support.
	So that's because they're more likely to make more money, but there is if it's a situation, like I said, it would be a constitutional nightmare if there was actually judges or courts that were, or there were laws on the books that separated men and women.
	It's a formula.
	You go to most divorce courts, it's a formula.
	Okay, who makes this?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	We put it in.
	Okay, this is how we, if it's a community property state, I mean, it just, there's a whole lot that goes into this.
	None of that's really gendered.
	And this is something you guys, I think a lot of people in this space also mess up on is they're like, oh, the courts have a bias towards women.
	They're usually given custody.
	That's just not true.
	Over 80% of custody agreements are decided by the parents outside of court.
	There's a huge bias in the courts.
	No, this is what I'm trying to explain to you.
	So when we look at child custody, can I finish this though?
	So another 11% is decided in mediation where the parents decide.
	Then another like whatever percent is decided after a custody evaluation by the parents.
	Only 4% actually go to a judge.
	And actually the farther up you go off this comp this conflict pyramid, the more likely it is that the father actually does get custody.
	And another thing is courts don't like to give people things they don't ask for.
	When a woman wants primary custody, she's 80% likely to file the appropriate paperwork.
	Fathers are 40%.
	That's double.
	So that's another reason you see that discrepancy.
	But the reason that people are like, 80% of custodial parents are mothers, that's because that's what the couple is agreeing to.
	It's not because the court is making that determination.
	Well, under threat of lawsuit, you can come to a settlement agreement.
	Like two couples, for example, when it comes to custody dispute, when it comes to alimony, et cetera, you can, certainly you can come to a settlement, but that doesn't mean that both parties are satisfied with said settlement.
	Well, I would tell a guy who wasn't satisfied, because a lot of times, like I said, 80% of the time, the judge is just signing off.
	This hasn't gone to court.
	parents are agreeing hey you should keep the child and a lot of times that's because the mom is generally the financial ramifications of it actually proceeding into like a in front of a judge and you're having to make arguments in front of a judge uh it's it's catastrophic Also, because if the man's the breadwinner, not only is he obliged to pay for his own legal counsel, he has to pay for it for his wife.
	So there's a double impact there.
	Do you think that's the reason?
	Or do you think it's more likely the case because it's generally true that even in a two-household, two-parent household, the mother is the default parent.
	The mother is the one that generally is the one taking the kids to soccer practice.
	It would disrupt the routine usually for the man to become all of a sudden the primary caregiver.
	But again, men who do fight for custody do end up getting it.
	They need to fight for it, though.
	Whereas the mother, the father is usually agreeing because it makes more sense for the family.
	So you can't, if men want it, they should fight for it and they do get it when they fight for it.
	I suppose.
	I suppose.
	But the issue is, is that you have these really just catastrophic awards for child support and alimony, which are not even approaching proportional to what is, I think when it comes to alimony and child support, it should basically, there should be, it shouldn't matter what your income is.
	It should basically just be some state guideline.
	Hey, if you want to get a divorce, this is the maximum you're eligible for.
	So you think there's like a cap?
	I don't disagree with that.
	I don't think people should be getting millions of dollars in alimony.
	We saw Kevin Costner, who actually here in his divorce proceedings, our studio is in Santa Barbara County.
	Santa Barbara County is overlooking Kevin Costner's divorce.
	And the wife wanted $250,000 a month in, I don't know if it was child support, spousal, like alimony, some combination.
	They ultimately ended up awarding, I believe it was $120,000 a month in support to the wife.
	Yeah, so if you look at that.
	That's ridiculous.
	I agree with you, but that's not the norm.
	That is a very unique, like these bill, like that's why I don't use the example, well, Kelly Clarkson is paying her husband.
	Because these are just, these are exceptions.
	Yeah, but on a lower level, men are also getting fleeced in this same sort of way.
	I don't think that, at least the data doesn't indicate that men are being fleeced in this way.
	I do believe that there should be a cap.
	I don't think that people should be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in alimony or child support because that's, I agree with you there, but that doesn't mean I believe that it shouldn't be a thing in general, especially child support.
	You guys don't think people should pay child support?
	Like, do you think?
	I mean, I believe in child support because, I mean, it's not the child's, the child shouldn't be penalized for whatever their parents are going through.
	What I would just want to ensure is that it's being used transparently.
	Like you said, that there's a cap, that it's not being used as some sort of way to subsidize a mother's lifestyle, which is like a whole different thing that shouldn't conflate with the child support.
	So yeah, I agree with that.
	Well, let's move on from this topic.
	I need to get through some chats.
	We have Triple F here.
	Hey, thank you.
	Jazz, go ahead.
	Jazz, you smoke more on FNF and possible note that 65% of college-educated men's first marriages last 20 plus years.
	A better discussion would be analyzing by race.
	Listening to you, Joan, makes me appreciate my wife more.
	So thank you, U.S. Military Number Three By Size.
	I'm glad I made you appreciate your wife more.
	Yeah, college-educated people, both men and women, do better with marriage.
	All right, we have real life outdoors.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead, Madison.
	It's funny how you invite a whole panel yet two hours in and only Miltang keeps talking.
	She speaks of her culture in Iran, but she knows shed never spout this over there.
	Why not fight for women's rights in Iran?
	All chests, no legs to stay.
	If you're going to complain about me talking so much, don't pay to talk to me.
	Like, I'm supposed to respond to all of that.
	That is a fair point.
	Don't address her if you want to.
	Yeah, you want me to.
	And yeah, of course I can't talk about this over there, and that's really sad.
	Do do what I can to fight for women's rights in Iran, too.
	There you have it, folks.
	She is a feminist through and through, fighting for the rights of Iranian, Iranian women.
	Yes.
	With a fervorous, passionate.
	Okay, KB Mogad, Brian, yes, we should get a cut from OF and donate to a mental health charity.
	What do you think?
	Like 20% of your next month's earnings?
	Jenny Classen donated $99.
	Thank you, man.
	I agree with child support, but I think the parents should be required to go to the child's house, not the child bouncing around sucks to suck when you can't work on your marriage.
	You fan move every other week.
	But that would require three different households.
	If there was like a primary household and then each parent had their own.
	And if you're concerned about money, that's just a whole nother house.
	Maybe he means like there are two houses, but the kid always stays in one house and then the parents swap out.
	You're not going to have, it's not going to be stable either way.
	You're not winning that.
	Of course not.
	Yeah.
	It's a tough situation.
	All right, we have Conan 19.
	Thank you, man.
	Go ahead, Maddie.
	I asked about how they would feel about a man crying earlier.
	The verdict is that women want a man to be confident.
	In today's society, I don't know if women realize, but it's terrifying for a man to confidently approach a woman with the fear of being hashtag me too.
	Word?
	Word?
	What do you mean by approach?
	I mean.
	Well, men are scared of like if they were to approach a woman that she would, you know.
	I don't concerned that he can't figure out how to approach a woman without bordering on sexual harassment or assault if he's talking about me too.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Like, I feel that like there are men, and it may not even be their fault, who just can't approach a woman without it being creepy.
	And it's not all about not being a chad.
	And I think some men just can't do it charismatically and that can come off as creepy.
	So I give them that.
	He's probably one of those.
	Well, yeah, I think he's probably, there's, I think, a bigger fear of, like, if you approach a woman, it's not like, oh, while it may very much be a valid fear of, like, a false accusation, I think the bigger concern for a lot of men is just being perceived as creepy.
	They don't do anything, you know, they're not like abusing her in some way, but they approach and perhaps they don't quite know how to navigate that in a smooth way.
	And then they're concerned about being perceived as creepy.
	Or even if they do approach in a smooth manner, often the difference between like the exact same behavior is going to be viewed in two totally separate ways, whether the woman's attracted to you or not.
	Like the same behavior that would get one guy labeled as a creep would be welcomed from a guy that a woman finds physically attractive.
	That's true.
	But I think there are some behaviors that fall into that category, but there are also behaviors like I think like anybody, whether you're attractive or not, like cat calling obviously isn't a way to approach a woman.
	So I think there are some behaviors where that's true, but there are some that are obvious no's.
	And there are others like just someone saying, hey, I hope you have a good day.
	That most women aren't going to be like, oh, I hate lupus.
	Like that's not a true thing.
	Sure.
	Well, and plus two, you can also pick up on social cues.
	Like you can tell within like three minutes of talking to a chick if she's interested or not.
	And so if she's clearly not interested and be like, you know what?
	Sorry, I'm going to go.
	And then that's how you don't be creepy, don't you?
	Do you think there's a portion of men that can't pick up that?
	Probably.
	A shocking amount.
	Yeah, probably.
	Yeah, I mean, then there's definitely men who are who perhaps wrongly believe that you ought to be persistent.
	But men are in this sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't position because there's a lot of you hear these stories of like, oh, you know, I rejected him three times and then now we're married.
	My personal view is if you get rejected once, just move on.
	Don't push it.
	Not a bad rule.
	It takes sense.
	You know.
	Yeah.
	I think what's hard for a lot of guys is that we don't really have a courting culture anymore.
	And so even from woman to woman, it's going to differ what she thinks is creepy versus acceptable, versus cute versus confident.
	So it's hard being on the receiving end as a woman because then you end up going through things that you find are creepy and uncomfortable and maybe even make you feel unsafe.
	And it's also hard on the man's end because you don't want to be perceived as a creep and you don't know maybe how to, I guess in a way that makes her feel comfortable, let her know you're interested in.
	So it's just, it's kind of, I don't envy single people is what I'm trying to say.
	It's hard.
	It's hard out there.
	I don't agree on that.
	I think I agree.
	Yeah.
	We have a question here from Stifler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10.
	Go ahead, Jasmine.
	So we got into this last time.
	I think this, I have a strike.
	I have an issue with the one to 10 measuring scale.
	So we could get into that again.
	I think it's juvenile, I said last time.
	It's fickle.
	It's whimsical.
	It's just not a way that I ever rate anybody else.
	So why would I rate myself that way?
	Shania, what about you?
	Six.
	I think like a five and a half.
	I've had a lot of facial trauma, and I think that's really brought my confidence down.
	That's just a heartbreaking mirror.
	So cute.
	I'm just saying 10 again.
	I was going to say 6, but now the literal model has said 6.
	So I feel like I got to knock it down like 5.5.
	8, 8.
	Confidence.
	All right.
	There you have it.
	I give myself a 6, 6.9 on a good day, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Thank you, Stifler, for the question.
	I do need to wrap up here pretty soon, but maybe we can, I don't know how much I want to, what was the, What was the primary thing that you object to when it comes to this rating thing?
	I just don't.
	I don't rate people that way.
	So like, for instance, why not rate people between 1 and 50, right?
	You could get more precise, but it's just dumb to get to that level of precision.
	So for me, the 1 to 10 is too low.
	Why not?
	like why wouldn't you raise someone between one and a thousand or one fit because it's too so i don't walk around and go is that an eight or is that a nine It literally reminds me of MySpace days.
	I don't just might say how old I am, 28, that we used to do this on MySpace in middle school.
	Since then, I've never heard anybody talk about people this way.
	Like, he's an eight or he's a nine.
	I just go, oh, that person's attractive.
	I see how that person's conventionally attractive.
	Well, I think in like a common conversation, it's not something that would come up.
	But like, you can have a sense of where someone falls when it comes to their attractiveness.
	Sure, but I don't think that's usually on this one to 10 scale.
	That's the issue.
	So I may, and that's where people have differences.
	Like, I think me and some of the women, I could be like, oh, I think he's more attractive than that guy.
	And they may say, oh, no, I like skaters.
	He's my type.
	You know, there's so many, there's so much that goes into this.
	So that's why I don't think that the one to 10, it makes it seem like it's more objective than it is.
	And while there isn't a lot of fun.
	No, there is an objective component to beauty, but there's also a subjective and cultural, right?
	They've done studies where people in like Africa have different preferences for waist to hip ratio, BMI.
	Then they move to the UK.
	And over a few generations, they start to match the preferences of the UK.
	So there is a cultural.
	I mean, even like 15 years ago, nobody liked big tits and big ass.
	And now hard ass.
	I think that men have always liked big boobs.
	I don't know.
	Trust me.
	I have a girl who is flat-chested.
	I think the standard of beauty, we can say, has changed throughout history.
	Can we not say that?
	Like, and in cultures, like in India, people like big ankles.
	I don't know if you ever saw that Oprah episode, but people like different things.
	And some parts of the country, in some parts of the world, being seen as too skinny is not.
	Like, if we even look at art, like if we look at the statue of Aphrodite, who was the most beautiful woman anyone could even conceive of, if you look at her now, she is like rolls, she doesn't have big tits.
	Like she, look up the statue.
	She's got a healthy body fat percentage range.
	Look up the statue of Aphrodite.
	I've seen the statue.
	And no, she's not.
	That's not the ideal woman's body in 2023.
	If we were going to depict Aphrodite, the goddess of beauty, we wouldn't draw her that way.
	And we wouldn't depict her that way anymore today.
	Nobody's getting plastic surgery to look like that statue.
	So I'm saying there has obviously a cultural component, there is a subjective component, and there's an objective component.
	And because of those things, I don't think that the one to 10 scale, I think, again, it's juvenile.
	It makes sense when you're 12 and you're like with your friends, like he's an eight, he's a nine.
	But I don't know, you guys can tell me if I'm wrong.
	Do you guys walk around and look at people that way?
	Definitely not.
	And I will say, too, I think it's really dependent on like the day.
	I feel like some days I would literally be like, wow, I'm a fucking 10.
	Like, I look amazing.
	And then some days I'd be like, I look like a C teacher.
	I'd be like five at the best, maybe.
	So yeah, I mean, I don't know.
	I think it's kind of silly too, but like we do it here.
	So yeah, just do it.
	Well, I guess, okay, here's the do you consider yourself like a 10 or you just choose to not answer the question?
	No, I don't consider myself a 10.
	I do consider myself attractive.
	Now, there are days, like she said, that I actually am like, ew.
	And then there are other days I'm like, oh, I look good today.
	Like, that's my experience.
	So, first off, I think this idea that it's juvenile, I kind of reject that because we all have our preferences when it comes to who we want to date.
	I don't think anyone here at the table would deny that physical attractiveness is incredibly important for both men and women.
	But that's not juvenile.
	I don't think that having preferences is juvenile.
	Sure, but I mean, the one to 10 scale is a sort of way of doing an assessment of someone's physical attractiveness, both yourself and also other people.
	So when you see a girl and you're like, oh, she's attractive, do you go into, is she a one?
	No, I'm not like breaking it down, but like there's.
	It's the breaking down component that I'm saying is juvenile.
	That's the component.
	So you're like, oh, no, it's not juvenile to have preferences.
	Of course not.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I think it's totally fine to be like, I find that more attractive than them.
	But I don't go, eight, nine, oh, he's two inches taller.
	Ooh, but he, I like his tattoos.
	Like, it becomes, and I would say it's probably the case for most men that it doesn't like go through our head like to assign a number when we're just passing a girl in the street or we're even in the conversation with a woman.
	But this idea that when we're having a conversation about it on a podcast, and if you do have like sort of a if you attempt to have actual analysis of what's going on when it comes to dating, I do think it's valuable.
	I think it's useful.
	Yeah, if you're a person that thinks it's useful, you're a very different person than I am.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I think it's useful to think people are attractive or not, but if you're starting to put your prospects on like a scale and oh, she's a 10, she's a nine, she's an eight, she's a seven, she's a six and a half, I don't think most rational adults are dating in that way.
	Well, here's where it gets dangerous is in today's day and age, we have a culture of, you know, there's from body positivity where we are gassing people up to think that they are perhaps attractive when maybe they aren't.
	So the reason.
	You need to, if you think that you are a 10, let's say, but you're not, you, whether you're a man or a woman, you're going to be disappointed with your dating prospects if you have a delusional sense of your own physical attractiveness.
	So that's why I think it's important that people are based in reality when it comes to their own self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness.
	So if you just like willy-nilly, oh, yeah, I'm a 10, my looks are a 10, you're probably going to have some degree of entitlement when it comes to, well, if I'm a 10, thus I must, I deserve a guy who's a 10.
	I see what you're saying, but this is where that subjectivity comes in.
	So I'm on the internet.
	There are men who I am like their dream woman, like the big tit, small, like I am, they think I'm stunning.
	They think I'm a 10.
	I don't even think I'm a 10.
	There are some men who think I'm mid or average.
	So if I want to see myself as a 10, there are certainly men who will find me as a 10.
	I don't even think that of myself.
	Do the men that you want view you that way?
	I personally obviously like people who, when I'm their type, like I like that compatibility.
	So yes, if a guy is really into like, like a lot of the guys like me, they don't like fake tits.
	Like they don't like that.
	So you can find a guy that's.
	And there are some men that like small tits.
	And there are some men, but some men, they're like, I love Middle Eastern women.
	I think they're the most beautiful.
	I'm not saying they are, but there are some.
	So what I mean is, what is really the issue with me being like, hey, I like men who I'm their type and they find me very physically attractive.
	Now, anyone who says you're a 10 out of 10, you're perfect, you have no flaws, that's not even human.
	That's like, that's bizarre.
	So that's not usually, I think, what people are saying when they're a 10 out of 10, but I don't think that, like...
	It kind of is, though.
	A lot of people have an over-inflated sense of self.
	They think they're hot shit, but they're not.
	They think they're more attractive than they actually are.
	And invariably, they're going to be let down in the dating marketplace because they're not going to be able to secure for long-term commitment.
	So this has been a common phenomenon in psychology for a while.
	It's called the self-enhancement bias.
	So you're right, but I don't think the self-enhancement bias is what's preventing people from...
	It's one of various factors.
	You can think that I haven't well, I think it's important to remember that everyone has unique preferences.
	It's like someone I may find super attractive.
	My best friend does not think is attractive at all.
	So that person with their, they think they're a 10, they're great, they think they're super attractive.
	They will eventually find someone that also thinks that.
	Like they think that's a possibility and it may be, it may be to the point where they get beaten down so much in the beginning that maybe they kind of have a little bit of a reality check and they now like, okay, maybe I'm not like a 10.
	But, you know, to someone, they may be a 10 and someone's preference may match what they think of themselves.
	And in that case, that's great.
	But, you know, of course, that's really challenging to find.
	And it's going to be difficult for them if they just are walking around thinking they're a 10 all the time.
	But, you know, to someone, they really may be a 10.
	I think that's a good question.
	Sorry, well, I think there is, I firmly believe that there is someone out there who thinks that you are gorgeous and is going to be attracted to you.
	I think that's definitely true.
	But I think where Brian's coming from and why having a sense of like self-actualization is important is that are you going to be attracted to that person?
	Right.
	Because if you're someone who you're like you're single and you've been single for a long time and you meet someone and they find you beautiful, they're super attracted to you, but you think you can do better, perhaps there's a possibility that you can't.
	And no one wants to like quote unquote settle.
	But I think it is, you know, having realistic expectations is kind of why it might matter.
	And not necessarily that we quantify how good looking we are, but just kind of like, you know, what pool are you working with?
	Right.
	I think anyone who's like, I can do better because I'm more attractive than a person.
	I don't think that's a, yeah, that's not a nice person.
	You probably shouldn't want to date them anyway.
	I guess here's the thing, though, when it comes to differences between men and women, is that I think it's really important you have, especially, I think especially so for women, that you have an accurate self-assessment of your own,
	excuse me, your own physical attractiveness is because men will put women, well, there's a variety of categories, but men are a little more flexible when it comes to who they're willing to sleep with.
	And if as a woman, you're desirous of a long-term relationship, there are plenty of guys that you're going to deem really attractive that are that'll sleep with you, but they'll never give you commitment.
	And so if you start gunning for like a really top-tier guy as a girl, you can get sexual access to him.
	But it's not a given that you're going to get commitment from him.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	But so as a woman, like you can, in addition to not only having sexual access to men of whether it's status, whether it's physical appearance, because for men will sleep with women that they would, in terms of physical attractiveness, that they would never consider being in a relationship with.
	Yeah.
	However, I think it's pretty different for women.
	Like for women, in order for you to sleep with a guy, he typically has to be at least physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him.
	Typically when women break rules when it comes to sleeping with someone quick or whatever it may be is he's just going to be really attractive.
	Whereas it's almost the opposite for well or she's just super into him like emotionally.
	Like they have a wonderful emotional connection and then that like draws a lot more women in, even just to like sleep with you.
	And also everyone's attractive preferences are different, right?
	From you know everyone here, if you have one guy, you know, we may not all find him super attractive.
	And so there's like you said, there's someone for everyone type thing.
	Like that's it's not that it's easy to find that.
	It's definitely really difficult, but it's possible.
	Oh, go ahead, Laura.
	Sorry, well, I guess I guess the issue is that women tend to be the gatekeepers of sex, but men are the gatekeepers of relationships.
	So the disparity there might be that, you know, women, because we're, I guess, traditionally the gatekeepers of sex, what Brian is saying is that we're not going to sleep with someone who we wouldn't also date in terms of looks.
	But it's men have actually a higher standard for who they would date in terms of looks than who they would merely, for example, have a one-night stand with.
	So you could have like an information asymmetry if you're going into a date or something where you might like be into the guy and want to date him where he's not actually that attracted to you enough to have you around long-term.
	He only wants to sleep with you.
	So to get to the conclusion, then you're saying that because of that, these women have an inflated sense of self because they think they can get that guy, but they can't because they're not attractive enough, but they don't know it because they think they can because he's willing to sleep with them.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Is that what you guys are?
	No, what I'm saying is that as a woman, not every man who wants to sleep with you wants to be in a relationship with you, and it's important to be able to discern that.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yeah.
	That can also go both ways.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, maybe typically one way or the other, but it's important to recognize that.
	It can go both ways.
	Word.
	Word.
	Okay.
	Let me see if there's any other chats we do.
	Let's see.
	Oh, there's a lot.
	Oh, never mind.
	Did we do this one?
	Oh, Madison, can you read that?
	Bro, there was a vid of women walking through New York and men saying smile more were labeled as predators.
	This is why even aesthetically attractive people are hesitant to approach women.
	They don't know.
	Well, I don't, who, who here wants to be told to smile more when they're just walking down the street?
	Like, I don't think that's a good move.
	Yeah, but it's not.
	I don't think they're predators, but they're weirdos.
	Yeah, I think you can, there's ways to approach women that don't make them feel uncomfortable.
	And Smilemore is not one of them.
	We already discussed that.
	I think the video in question, it was a viral video a long time ago.
	I mean, what my understanding is that they basically trolled the streets for 10 hours and they got a handful of, and they seem to have targeted typically minority neighborhoods to do this in, which is another conversation.
	But like there were men who would say hi or whatever.
	There might have been some cherry-picking involved in the editing of that video, but yeah.
	Let me get this other one, Ryan L. Hey, thank you, man, for the Canadian 100.
	Appreciate it.
	Yo, Ryan, thank you.
	Go ahead, Madison.
	What that other sub was trying to say in layman's terms is, Lauren, you're a solid 10 when you put looks, values, and social situations all together.
	You're a perfect 10 for any moderately conservative man.
	Keep doing what you do.
	Oh, that's really sweet.
	She's married.
	Can you see the ring?
	Can we see the ring?
	No, I don't know where my actual engagement ring is, unfortunately.
	We had a move, so I'm not sure.
	Party foul.
	Yeah.
	There you have it.
	Okay, we have real life outdoors.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	You have platforms to advocate on behalf of women's rights in your culture.
	You choose to promote your OF and BS hubris.
	Also, I'm not paying to talk to you.
	I'm paying to talk at you.
	Wow, all right.
	It's like your OF, but you can keep your clothes on.
	I mean, you're still paying to get a response out of me.
	So it's, I mean, if we want to talk about what's going on in Iran, we can, but it's a very difficult situation, and there's very little we can actually do here to help.
	There are things that, you know, my family tried to get involved in, but other than protesting, this has been a huge issue that's been going on since the revolution in 1979.
	So there isn't even, it's really hard to even donate over there.
	You can't even really send money to Iran.
	So it's not that simple.
	And what am I not supposed to work here and have the job I want?
	Because people, women in Iran can't.
	I mean, I get so many messages from women in Iran and Iranian women thanking me for what I do and for breaking those stereotypes and those the terrible archaic part of our culture because there is that about gender norms and women being sexually liberated.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Can you play one of your sound effects for me?
	Like the happy one or the good?
	Okay, so one of the things that came up in the previous chat was someone wanted to talk about body count and I said I would get to it.
	So this is us getting to it here at the end of the show here before we wrap up.
	Should body count matter?
	I don't have an issue with it mattering for certain people, but for me it doesn't matter and I wouldn't be attracted to a guy for which he finds it to be pertinent information.
	No one else's body count matters but my own.
	That makes sense.
	Sort of.
	So you wouldn't mind dating a guy who had like 300 previous sexual partners?
	I'd be intimidated.
	Okay.
	But I wouldn't mind.
	Sure.
	Personally, it doesn't matter.
	I've been dating this guy for like eight months now.
	I don't know his body count.
	He doesn't know mine and we don't really care.
	Sure.
	Yeah, same.
	I think that it's fine if it matters to you or your partner.
	I think you guys can discuss that privately, but to me, it doesn't matter now.
	I think it does matter.
	You know, they say that if you're interested in a relationship, best predictor of future behavior is relevant past behavior.
	I don't know about the statistics for men.
	I still think it matters if you're a woman what your like male partner's body count is.
	I know for women, there is a correlation between number of partners before marriage and likelihood of divorce.
	So we can go into exactly what the reasons might be, but I think overall, for a prospective boyfriend or husband to care about that, I think it's reasonable.
	So are you talking about the Institute of Family Studies?
	Because that's the one study that's showed it.
	Interestingly, they show that two is the worst.
	And if you have two, it shows it goes up after nine.
	So would you, if someone who slept with two people, would you say they should sleep with a few more so their likelihood of divorce goes down?
	And if we're going to talk about divorce statistics, the first thing you should be looking at is a college-educated woman.
	It's their first marriage and that they're between 25 and 32, because those are the three biggest things that really reduce your likelihood of divorce.
	If you just do those three, your divorce rate is now at 20% instead of 50.
	So yeah, I do think it's a, and I think it's a good conversation to have if you're talking about lifestyle, right?
	If you slept with hundreds of people, you probably party a lot, you probably drink a lot, and if the other person doesn't, but this, and yeah, maybe a little bit, it does, you know, if you're like, oh, the likelihood of divorce and stuff.
	But if someone's going to use that, ooh, the likelihood of divorce, then I expect you to pick women that at least on those things that matter far more when we're talking about likelihood of getting divorced.
	I mean, I'm for men, especially when it comes to marriage, being very picky.
	So I'm not going to say no.
	Like, yes, absolutely, with divorce rates, what they are.
	I think you should be as much as possible trying to, I don't want to say head your best because that's not a good way to look at a marriage.
	But yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense to try and be as smart as possible, especially like we were talking about, you know, divorce courts, that yeah, all of these things should matter.
	A holistic approach to not wanting to get divorced, if you will.
	Yeah, that study is just funny because it goes up the highest is two, and then it kind of goes down until like nine, and then it goes up again.
	So if you're going to hedge your bets, if you've only slept with two people, you might want to add a few more in because according to that.
	One thing when you cross, I would want to see the like a multivariate regression that actually takes into account age because what that tells someone like me is that the highest being two, it's likely people who are younger who are getting married, which would also be the likelihood if you're 18 to get married and divorce is going to be much higher than if you're 25 or something.
	I agree.
	That's why I'm kind of it's annoying that that's the one study that even shows that is that one institute of families.
	I think there should be more research done on this.
	Yeah.
	And I am not just basing my answer off that one study either.
	But do you really need a study to know that promiscuity is an undesirable trait?
	Well, it's actually, so desirability is different than divorce.
	So actually there has been studies done on lifetime partners and that impacting your likelihood of marriage and there's no impact.
	So your body count doesn't actually impact your likelihood of getting married.
	It does impact likelihood of divorce, that's true, but it doesn't impact, obviously doesn't impact desirability enough because men are still just as these women are still just as likely to get a ring on it as women who have lower body counts.
	And that's why we're trying to change with this show.
	How about that?
	Yes, Minnie.
	You really need to stop bringing up college education.
	Education itself is not what leads to lateral attraction.
	Even if partners have the same education, income and socioeconomic status holds more weight than education itself.
	Not with divorce and divorce statistics.
	Education is a variable that has been shown to have this effect more so than those other ones.
	But I did say socioeconomic status does impact it.
	Well, it's hard to divorce them, right?
	I mean, someone from a certain socioeconomic status, you're almost guaranteed to have gone to college if your parents make over.
	So you can't really, like he's trying to say, divorce them.
	They're overlapping.
	I think, yeah, they could.
	And people of higher socioeconomic status do get divorced less often.
	And I think maybe that could be because it's also college education.
	And also a lot of couples argue about finances.
	And if you're of a higher socioeconomic status, you're not worried.
	You don't have those stresses of like poverty.
	How am I going to put food on the table?
	Those things impact your relationship.
	So yeah.
	But okay, we were talking about body count.
	Yeah, so body count, it doesn't impact desirability because those women are just as likely.
	But those women are just as likely to get married.
	So women with a high body count and one with a low body count have the same likelihood of marriage.
	When we're looking at lifetime partners, there is a discrepancy if we look at recent partners.
	And the researchers in the study concluded that maybe, obviously, if you're sleeping around right now, maybe you're not ready for marriage.
	You're just at a different point in your life.
	But they looked at lifetime partners and they looked at a probability of getting married and that they didn't find any link there.
	If every single woman that ever existed or does exist were to have a body count of 300, women would still get married.
	Men would, I suppose, tolerate this new thing, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing or that it's designed.
	Well, are you saying it's a?
	So it doesn't.
	So if I was telling women like okay, it seems like your likelihood of getting married is the same, so maybe men are just tolerating it, But they are tolerating it.
	So, and also, I think hookup culture is misconstrued.
	When you look at the actual stats, most people are not.
	It's like 20% that they're showing that that is doing this, and a lot of times they use the Pareto principle or whatever, that 20% of men are getting 80% of women.
	Well, when you reverse it, it's the same that 20% of women are.
	So what's really happening is that 20% of the population is promiscuous and the rest kind of, aren't most people.
	If you look at those GSS studies of sexlessness and whatever, over 80% of men and women in the past year have had sex either with one person or with zero people.
	It's not this thing that men are men or women.
	I think it's one of those things of like remember we were in school and it's like mom, everyone does drugs, everyone drinks.
	I feel like hookup culture in these spaces is becoming that, because people assume in these spaces, like everyone's hooking up and this is just becoming a thing.
	Everyone's body count is like in the hundreds.
	It's not true.
	Most people are having sex in.
	You think it's equal one to one.
	What do you mean when it comes to you think men have more partners?
	Yeah no, men have more partners than women do.
	That's true.
	Yeah, that's true, at least.
	I mean.
	I don't know about like among certain populations, but in general yeah, that is from what I remember, across all age groups that was the case.
	And I also want to say that it is like it's a double-edged sword, because I know a lot of single Christian women who want to wait until marriage and we can say that men, you know they desire, they want to marry a virgin.
	A lot of men don't want to date a virgin and wait to marry her.
	So it is like it's it's hard, like you're kind of I mean as as a woman, if you want that that's going to be a challenge for you even to just be able to be in a long-term relationship with a man in this day and age and not put out.
	So that's like it's hard in that situation.
	I agree with that.
	I think that it can be hard, but this idea that people are just having these crazy high body counts and up in the hundreds, that's very rare.
	The average is not anywhere near that and most people upwards of 80 percent.
	If you look at who they've had sex with in the past few years, it's a partner in a relationship or a marriage.
	If people aren't just going off and and fucking 200 people the way the manosphere likes to think.
	Well, I mean, i'm the stats that i'm familiar with and i'm familiar with the Gss uh, the General Social survey, whatever it's called.
	The 2018 one is probably the only one you're familiar with, because I am familiar with that one.
	Yeah, how about the 2021 or 2022?
	Because you should look those up and those have a very different result.
	What is the average, uh for?
	So the one he's referring Is one that kind of blew up in these spaces where it shows that like a third of men aren't having sex in the past year.
	But that was a lot of money.
	There's also one from Pew Research.
	Yeah, so which shows that I think it's 60% of men in the age range of 18 to 29 report being single, whereas in that same exact age cohort, women are much more likely to be in a relationship.
	So there's been other ones that don't show that, but also one of the reasons for that is women tend to date a couple years older.
	So if they were to expand the male side of that to like 33, 34, then the number would be a lot less because there's a lot of women.
	If you're only cutting it off at 29, well, 28, 27, 26 year old women are dating men that are 30, 31, 32, then that's part of where that discrepancy comes from.
	Age could explain that, but it's still a pretty staggering.
	I mean, the fact that there's in the cohort of men between 18 to 29, if 60%, I forgot if it was the exact numbers, but it's like twice as many men are single as women.
	So the other studies have shown like a 10%, so it's less than that, it's 10%.
	And that maybe there's still some of that even when we counter measure for age.
	But they have shown that if we just increase the male side, so if we look at women and cap it at 29, but we cap men at 34, 35, that changes significantly because a lot of women are dating men that are a few years older than them.
	Something else that I saw that I forgot who it was that posted about it, but that might explain at least some of the disparity between men and women being single.
	And this just frustrates me and makes me really glad that I'm not single, is that women are a lot more likely to qualify what their relationship status is with the same person as being a relationship versus a man who might say, oh no, we're not in a relationship, like we're just cat or whatever that is.
	And I could totally see that contributing to at least some of it.
	Yeah, I agree.
	That could contribute to some of it.
	But I don't know if that whole number, first of all, again, that hasn't been replicated.
	And also with the age and that, I think all three of those things are contributing.
	Well, I mean, to me, it almost seems self-evident.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, there's that one study.
	One out of three men under 30 has not had sex in the past year.
	The corresponding number is one out of six women under 30 has not had sex in the past year.
	The latest version of that actually shows women more likely to not have sex.
	So they're stuck on 2018 because 2018 is the one year it shows us.
	That's why I want him to use a different year because all those other years it shows women are having less sex than men.
	But that one.
	I did think I saw the most recent stats and it was surprising.
	It's surprising when it's not the 2018 graph.
	Well, I also did look and perhaps COVID is related to this, but the number of participants was markedly lower than in previous years.
	So there was a general trend and then 2018 had this weird discrepancy and then it's been so 2000, it's more likely that if we've done this for many, many years, that 2018, something was up, whatever, that's why replicability is so important because it wasn't replicated in the years prior or the years after.
	So and also something people don't understand, this 18 to 30 age range, when you actually do 25 to 30, it drops down to like 9%.
	What it really means is a lot of people, men between 18 and 25, were having more sex because they were getting married more, they were leaving the house more, they were just socializing more.
	But after 25, it seems that virginity and sexlessness is far, far, far, it drops significantly after 25 than in the 18 to 25 range.
	Well, if the numbers from the most recent GSS survey are true, perhaps even the 2018 numbers are faulty.
	It may very well be the case.
	That's what I'm saying.
	The 2018 numbers are faulty.
	In any case, though, it does occur to me that I would make the argument that women are more promiscuous than men are.
	Okay, why?
	Because it's self-evident.
	Well, it's for starters, women have more access to hookup culture than do men.
	Okay, but that access is clearly not resulting in them actually doing it by any of these surveys or any of these.
	And also, if women have all these options, if men had the amount of options women have, you don't think they would be far more promiscuous than we're being?
	But they don't.
	Yeah, but women are not.
	Hypogamy is alive as well.
	But women aren't using those options.
	We're seeing.
	Like, that's the thing.
	You're saying they have the options, but the options isn't translating to their behavior.
	Where do you have it?
	So they may have more options.
	Now, link that to the conclusion you're trying to make.
	Just because they have more options, they are therefore more promiscuous, or don't we have a gap there that we need to fill a premise?
	What you basically have is there's a small proportion of men, for example, on Tinder, and they have done studies on Tinder when it comes to the breakdown of who's getting right, who's getting swiped on, who's not.
	So you have a very small proportion of men that get something like 80%, 90% of all the attention on dating apps.
	So there's a very small pool of men that get all the attention.
	So what you're going to end up having, for example, is, and I think this is a one, so you basically have like a small proportion of men that are very promiscuous that have a high partner count, but then you have a greater proportion of women that don't have quite as high of a body count as do the men.
	Well, again, if you're looking at just dating app swipes, that's different.
	But if you're looking at how people actually behave in their behavior, like I said, it does seem to be, because if you reverse it, it does also seem like 20% of women are sleeping with 80%.
	That's not true.
	What's happening is really that there's like 20% of the population or maybe a little less, maybe a little more that are more promiscuous, and that's what's contributing to this.
	Also on dating apps, I think it's like there's like three or four times as many men on there as women, and that's obviously going to conflate this.
	There's no actual real-life scenario where there's like five men for each woman unless you're in like a specific niche.
	Sure, which makes it even more difficult for men.
	I agree.
	It makes it more difficult, but I don't think it makes women more promiscuous because that's the thing you're arguing.
	I do think men have it hard, but I don't think that that translates to women are now more promiscuous because men on average have more.
	There are more promiscuous women than there are men.
	Well, the stats show them both like around the same.
	It seems like there's 20% of people that are just fucking each other and the rest of us are just like with.
	I don't believe it's a one-to-one thing.
	If it's not a one-to-one thing, more men are having more sex than women are.
	No, a smaller proportion of men are having more sex than women are.
	Well, that's, so from what you're showing me, it seems like the majority, both men and women are having, and I said this, over 80% of us are having sex with either zero or one person.
	And then once you start getting to two to four partners, you start getting to way more men have, yeah, there's a fly behind you.
	More men are having a lot of partners than women are.
	So I don't know how you're concluding that women are more promiscuous.
	Simply by virtue of their accessibility tohi.
	It is, though.
	How?
	Because stats all show the opposite.
	That's all happening.
	How is that?
	So tell me how it's translated.
	If you have more capability to do something, then you're much more likely to enact on that.
	So your argument is premise one, women have more capability conclusion, therefore women are more promiscuous.
	You're missing the middle.
	So premise two would have to be, women are acting on this accessibility, therefore women are more promiscuous.
	You don't have that second premise.
	That second premise is not borne out by what we're seeing in the behavior.
	Well, it's hard because any of the stats I've seen about this, they just give like an average.
	They don't give like a mean, median mode kind of breakdown.
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	All right.
	Someone shut off Barney's mic for the night.
	At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
	Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
	I mean, we are.
	Brian is directing a lot of the questions as me.
	I don't mind being muted for the rest of the time.
	It's late, and I think we're ending soon, so I'm all for it.
	Well, I guess the only thing I'd say about the promiscuity is that if we take being promiscuous as like a personality attribute and give it to 20% of the population, it's more likely that 20% of the female population who is promiscuous is actually going to be able to go out and sleep with someone than the 20% of the male population.
	So, but then I think that would bear out in the data in the sense of then men would be a major.
	It's hard because the averages might still be the same.
	So you think the top promiscuous woman is having way more sex than the top promiscuous man?
	Oh yeah.
	Oh yeah, 100%.
	I think if a woman is promiscuous, she's able to sleep with way more men than if a man is promiscuous.
	So like an NBA player, Drake, like if we're talking at the top, so he's not having, so women are.
	Yeah, but it's like you, for someone to be at the top, you chose Drake or, yeah.
	Yeah, but for a woman to be getting sex and being promiscuous, she just basically needs to be a woman.
	Because when we also look at body count, the ones at the very top are men, like that are sleeping with hundreds and hundreds of people.
	There are more men doing that than there are women doing that.
	So that has been shown.
	So I don't necessarily know what we're comparing here.
	Well, yeah, I mean, it is hard, right?
	Because we're comparing people who are promiscuous and then men versus women and then the number of the people.
	The highest body counts are obtained by men.
	And then we look at averages, men on average also have more.
	So I don't know where we're drawing this conclusion that all we have is the accessibility argument and that hasn't translated to anything we've seen in behavior other than Brian's feelings.
	Well, I mean, it's, I don't need a study, for example, to know that, and I think you would actually agree with me here, that it's easier for women to get laid.
	It's easier for women to get laid, but women aren't as interested in just getting laid with as many people.
	Is that so?
	You think so?
	As men are?
	Yeah.
	I mean, this is an argument you would make.
	Men are more, they're less sexually selective.
	So I think women, like you guys are kind of jealous of something we don't even want, which is that like a lot of men like want to fuck us.
	Like we're like, okay.
	And you guys are putting yourself like, oh, I wish I had that because I would fuck all these men.
	Okay, but we're not doing that.
	Just because they're all in our DMs, it's not actually, well, it's not clear to me that I think there's plenty of women that engage in hookup culture and they are.
	It's a minority of people on both ends.
	Now, maybe more men would want to.
	That's true.
	If they could, I agree with that.
	But women, even though they can, most of them still aren't.
	I don't think that's true.
	That's what the data says.
	And that's so.
	I know you don't.
	I haven't seen your data.
	Well, can I pull it up?
	I mean, you're just denying like this is in, and this is just, this is what's happening, is that most women aren't taking these opportunities.
	You guys think just because we're out on the street and all these men would have sex with us, you guys know that women are, you guys say in the same breath, women are very selective.
	They only want to fuck this type of man.
	And then in the same breath, you're saying, oh, but they're fucking everybody.
	And they're super promiscuous.
	I mean.
	Yeah, there's rampant promiscuity.
	And where are you getting that from?
	Because most people seem to just have one partner and they're having sex.
	Most people have just one partner.
	I just said over 80% in that 20, that GSS study, if you actually go into it and they start differentiating between partners, you find that most, the majority of people, when they say, have you had sex in the past year, they've had sex with one partner.
	They're in relationships or they're in marriages.
	The data actually shows that there's a, I think it's 20% of women, if we're going based off of the Pew Research that's been done that 20% of women are, whether they know it or not, are actually in some sort of polyamorous situation.
	In other words, they're sharing a guy.
	But they're still sleeping with that one guy thinking they're in a relationship.
	So how is that evidence of promiscuity?
	In fact, wouldn't it be the opposite?
	No, well, because then you have a smaller proportion.
	Then you have men who are getting no access to sex.
	That's true.
	And I think that at times that men get no access to sex, it's probably because they don't want it, but they can't get it.
	Whereas when women, because there are more women that aren't having sex, they're choosing.
	You can make that argument, but there are more women, except in 2018, that aren't having sex than men.
	And you could argue that's by choice.
	But if you're saying women are more promiscuous, then that probably wouldn't be the case, right?
	What wouldn't be the case?
	That women are choosing not to have sex more than men are if they're super promiscuous.
	Well, I would have to see the new GSS.
	Well, you just said the GSS, what does the new GSS study show?
	That men are, there are more sexless men or sexless women?
	Because except for 2018, it generally shows that women are more sexless than men, and they're doing so by choice.
	And you're saying because they have false exceptions.
	It's clear to me that there's truth to that, though.
	I mean, how would you, for example, how would you, for example, explain the incidence of men who, for example, are incels?
	Yes, I do think there is a small portion of men in their case.
	No woman could be an incel.
	I agree, but that doesn't mean that because there are men that are incels and women that no woman could be an incel, that women are more promiscuous.
	I don't see how that is related to that.
	It's like a.
	How is that more?
	I feel like from the women that I know at least, they typically, like, if it's a woman who does want to engage in casual sex, she typically wants to find like a guy that can just be like a hookup partner.
	She doesn't typically want to like sleep around, and that's typically pretty easy to find, like, a guy who's willing to do that, obviously.
	But yeah, I don't find that like many women just want to sleep around and get all these like guys, whereas the opposite, I think, is true for men.
	Sometimes.
	Women generally are sexless by choice, and for some men, it's by choice, but for a lot of men, it's not by choice, which is counter to your argument that women are more promiscuous.
	Because so many of them are choosing, I think you could argue all women are choosing to not have a higher body count than they already have because we all have the opportunity to.
	But okay, hold on.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	The thing is, is a lot of men by necessity have to be monogamous.
	Okay, so wouldn't they be, so, and women don't, but most women still are, so aren't they less promiscuous?
	No, because if you're unable, as a guy, if you are unable to act on your desires to actually secure sexual access from a lot of women, then yeah, so therefore women are more promiscuous.
	So you're making arguments that I don't think support your conclusions.
	Wait, when you say that women are more promiscuous, do you mean that they're actually having sex, whereas men are not more promiscuous, not necessarily because they don't want to have sex, but because they're actually not able to find the partners that women are?
	Like, is that how you're defining promiscuity?
	How are you defining promiscuity?
	If men were capable of getting sex very easily, then I would say yes, more men would be promiscuous.
	However, very few men are capable of engaging in promiscuity.
	So I would argue that there are more women who are promiscuous who are successfully promiscuous than there are men.
	And I don't think that's not borne out anywhere.
	That's all I'm saying.
	It doesn't seem that women, even though they have the opportunity, they don't seem to be taking those opportunities.
	And yeah, it's true that there are more sexless men who don't have options, but that doesn't support the conclusion, therefore, that women are more promiscuous.
	But if it has to be acted upon.
	And women aren't acting upon access.
	If there was equality in the sexual marketplace, then yes, men would be more promiscuous because that's men's sexual strategy is to sleep with a whole bunch of women.
	So, what I'm saying is, what we're seeing is that women have all these options and they're choosing generally, except for some women who do want to engage in hookup culture, most of them, the vast majority of them, are choosing to have sex with one partner.
	If we're looking at all the stuff, the GSS studies and all that.
	Okay, well, we can go here.
	Let me, I want to wrap up the show.
	So, we have KV Moga, or wait, Brian, the OF girl, increased her sales 13% after FNF and throwed them under the bus begging the beginning of the podcast, No Integrity.
	She's a BS lawyer and have BS facts.
	I didn't increase it 13%.
	I said overall, the poll I did shows 13% is coming from all of these appearances, slash, like Business Insider did a piece on me, like those kind of things.
	Word.
	I wish it was 13%.
	Hopefully, I can go check right now.
	My income went up by 13% after this.
	Let's see.
	Okay, there you have it, folks.
	Hopefully, manifest it.
	Oh, last question.
	We're not going to get to the Logan Paul stuff tonight because we're just late.
	I've been waiting until 7 p.m. to know what the hell's going on with Logan Hall.
	Just last question.
	Would you date a guy who legally owned a firearm?
	Let's start with you.
	I think it depends on the context.
	If we live out in the back, you know, in the wilderness in Alaska somewhere, yeah, absolutely.
	For setting.
	I mean, I would just be confused as to why he felt the need to have it.
	I don't know.
	It just doesn't seem necessary.
	It's a tool, right?
	It's self-defense.
	In an urban setting, I mean, that's where you need it the most.
	Isn't that pretty ideal?
	I mean.
	Here, we'll let everybody answer.
	Okay, Jasmine, we'll go with you and we'll go.
	Would I date a guy who legally owns a firearm?
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Just one?
	Yeah, I'm just one to it.
	Don't need a whole lot of money.
	He owns one.
	He owns a couple.
	Whatever.
	Sure, why not?
	Yeah, I definitely would.
	I have like a weird fear of like an intruder at night or something.
	And I do like the idea of like, we have one just in case.
	Yeah.
	My husband has several firearms, so yes.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	So you said no.
	Well, I don't, I'm not anti-gun.
	Like, I think recreationally they're fun.
	And, you know, I think if you, I just, I don't know.
	And for me, I guess I don't have very much experience in an urban setting, you know, in a populated area.
	I just doesn't, like, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	In my mind, it's like, oh, you need a gun because there's, you know, some sort of animal or something like that.
	And it's just like, I don't know.
	I guess I haven't thought about much about it.
	Yeah.
	I don't, I mean, there's ways to prevent that.
	That's a very preventable thing.
	Is it?
	You can prevent.
	You can lock your doors.
	You can have security footage.
	You can have alarms.
	Well, security footage.
	You can live in a building with a doorman.
	Okay, let's say you don't have any of those things.
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	If it's a circumstance.
	If it's a circumstance where it would make sense for you to need a gun, then yeah, I guess.
	In your current place you live, is there a doorman?
	No, I live in a community of college students, and there's a very large police presence, and I lock the doors and close the windows at night, and it's fine.
	Okay.
	Well, okay, here's a scenario, right?
	Let's say you live with your...
	Do you live with your boyfriend?
	I do not.
	You don't?
	Okay.
	Maybe one day you're living with a partner.
	Three men are starting to break into your house that you share with your boyfriend.
	Would you want your boyfriend to have a firearm to defend the home, defend you in that situation?
	I mean, I don't think it's necessary that he has a gun to defend.
	Like, I mean, turn on all the lights, hit the car alarm, startle, like, you know.
	Call the police.
	Sure, you know, that's not, they're not there, but that's not simple.
	You don't have enough time to just, you know, I don't think having a gun is necessarily perfect in every situation either.
	It's so much more complex than that.
	And also, you know, if they have a gun and you have a gun, like, no one's winning that.
	You know, it's a good shot, you know, but quick drive.
	I mean, you just quick drive.
	It makes sense in some circumstances.
	I'm not talking about that.
	How about this?
	How about this?
	None of them have guns.
	Okay.
	Would you prefer your boyfriend to attempt to expel the evaders with his own fists or with a gun?
	I mean, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I think if they, if it's possible, if it would be realistically possible for them to be freaked out that there's people home, because in my mind, when someone's breaking in, they're not, they want an easy thing.
	They're not trying to have a fight.
	They're trying to go into a home where no one's there.
	I don't know that.
	What if, let's say you have kids too?
	Who knows?
	These guys are deranged fucks.
	They're all meth, whatever.
	Who knows?
	I mean.
	Okay.
	I don't know what you're trying to do.
	Okay.
	You can choose any weapon for your boyfriend.
	It could be a fucking trebuchet.
	Well, that doesn't make a difference.
	You can give him a trebuchet, but they don't have a weapon.
	They just have their hands.
	But it's three of them and one of your boyfriends.
	Well, the weapon doesn't matter.
	It's a weapon, the gun versus a giant knife.
	I mean, it's going to have a similar difference between getting into a knife fight.
	Well, okay, okay.
	Well, I think in my air.
	When I think about it, I think about it, if you walk out with a rifle in your hand, regardless if you actually shoot it, even if there's ammo in it, that is what's going to do the scaring.
	So if you walk out with your massive katana or whatever, that's also going to have a similar effect of that's what's doing the scaring away of the intruders.
	Or, you know.
	Katana and Glock.
	Yeah, you know.
	Haven't you seen those action movie scenes where like the guy comes out like wielding all these knives and then they just shoot him and fight's over?
	Wait, it's okay.
	I don't know.
	Do you want your partner to have a firearm in that circumstance?
	I mean, I don't think having a specific firearm is going to make a huge difference.
	I mean, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Would you rather your boyfriend defend you with a firearm or with his fists?
	Well, obviously a firearm, any weapon, right?
	It doesn't matter.
	But I think it's kind of a moot point because there's so many ways to kind of prevent this situation.
	Are there?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Have you had your home broken into?
	Home invasions where people are in the home is pretty rare.
	It does.
	Yeah, it's actually only pretty rare or rarer in places like the United States.
	In places like the UK, it's actually a good thing we live in the United States.
	But why?
	But do you know why there's the difference?
	A lot of people say it is because of the firearm ownership in the United States.
	Because those, like, I forget what they're called, hot break-ins when you're actually home and someone breaks in.
	They're very, very common in other places, but not here.
	And it is because I think there's the fear of the firearm.
	You're just and that's fine.
	People can be scared of a firearm.
	That doesn't mean that.
	Well, I mean, they've done studies.
	And they've separated the very variable.
	I don't even have ownership of the fire.
	That's a pretty easy thing to do, especially if you're looking at somewhere like Europe.
	Obviously, there's a, I would always love to have more variables in a study rather than fewer, but that is one of the pretty, I mean, you also have like demographic overall crime and stuff.
	So, like, what about was this found in Europe in general or just the UK?
	Because that came specifically is the one I'm going to say.
	So, I'd be curious as to like all because France or Sweden or Denmark or these places too, because they tend to have less crime in general if, and they don't have firearms either, so I'd be curious.
	Australia, you know.
	I'm not saying that the, I don't know about the rates of break-ins, but we're talking about break-ins happening versus you're here versus you're not there.
	Yeah, so I'm curious if it's just, because if it's just UK, I don't think it would lead to, because we'd have to see if it was in other countries too.
	Also, ideally, different US states.
	Sure.
	All right, there you have it, folks.
	Any final thoughts before I wrap up?
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	If I were a thief sneaking into your house and i.e., your partner is pointing a 12 gauge at me, I would leave.
	Yes, and if my partner also came in through the garage and he walked in, turned on the light and started screaming at you and then hit the car alarm button, you would also probably leave.
	Depends what their motivation is.
	I've never heard the car alarm one.
	Oh, someone's gone off.
	Like, hit the panic button, create a while.
	Yeah, make people run away because it causes noise.
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	This is why military service should be compulsory for both men and women.
	It's clear none of the women have been in a life or death situation.
	Even military pilots carry firearms when on military flight ops over hostile territory.
	Yes, I'm very grateful that we have a military so I don't have to be in a life or death situation on a daily basis.
	That's why we have a military to protect ordinary citizens.
	And of course, military aircraft have weapons on board.
	It's a military aircraft.
	That makes sense.
	And we're lucky to live in a country where we're not facing those situations as much as other countries are.
	The majority of us are going to go through our lives without a life or death situation, and we should all be grateful for that.
	And I don't think a men's only role in society should be protecting women in this post-apocalypse, these scenarios that people come up with.
	Word.
	By the way, why did you change your name from Roaming Millennial to just your name?
	Oh, I started doing in-person events with a lot of older people as well because it's like conservative politics.
	And they were really weirded out by a screen name they did not understand.
	Like, yeah, you are the Roaming Millennium, so what's your name?
	It's like, no, but that's like what I got.
	It was just easier to.
	Yeah, probably better to go with just your name.
	And no one does that.
	That's still 2016 to have the screen name moniker thing.
	People usually just do the name now.
	Yeah, or there's just some people that still want to have some semblance of anonymity or privacy even though.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's true.
	But that also makes in-person events harder, too.
	Oh, yeah, I can imagine.
	Well, it was a good thing.
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