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HEATED DEBATE Liberals vs. Conservatives vs. SHAMAN?! | Dating Talk #89

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	We filmed it years ago.
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	Okay, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, I'm Carly.
	I'm 19 years old and I'm a fitness influencer.
	My name is also Carly.
	I'm 26 years old and I'm a student for nursing, but I'm currently on disability.
	Hi, my name is Lauren Roses and I work at a brothel and I'm also a musician.
	Age?
	30.
	Hello, I'm Ariel.
	I'm 20 and I am also a fitness influencer.
	Hello, I'm Emily.
	I'm 26 and I do social media and OnlyFans.
	Hey, I'm Morgan.
	I'm 23.
	I'm a Turning Point USA contributor and a media personality.
	Hi, my name is Isabella.
	I do international strategy at a think tank and I am a conservative influencer.
	Oh, age?
	23.
	Did you say that?
	No, I think I missed that.
	Okay.
	I think that's my bad.
	Hello, my name is Madison.
	I'm 18 years old.
	I'm a student.
	That's all I'm going to say, because I feel like everyone already knows.
	All right, cool.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	So what is your current relationship status?
	Are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult?
	How long have you, because I mean, that's a thing, I guess.
	How long have you been single if you're single?
	If you're in a relationship, how long have you been in the relationship?
	And what's your longest relationship?
	Go ahead.
	I have a boyfriend.
	We've only been together for a month.
	And this is the only relationship, like real relationship I've ever been in.
	This is your first relationship?
	My first, yeah, like real relationship.
	Real relationship.
	As opposed to like you've previously had some situations.
	Like, yeah, like situationships like talking or whatever.
	Okay.
	And who initiate, like, was it, did you both come to an agreement that you wanted to be boyfriend, girlfriend?
	Did you ask him?
	Did he ask you?
	We were friends for a year, and then he asked me out three times, and I said yes on the fourth time.
	Wait, okay, so you friend zoned him?
	Well, no, no, no, not necessarily.
	He lived on the opposite side of the country, which didn't make any sense, but he's moving out here next week, so it seemed appropriate to, you know, maybe I can pursue something real.
	Wait, okay, so you rejected him the first three times?
	Not rejected, I wouldn't say.
	But the first time, it just didn't make sense.
	The other two times, I wanted to wait a little bit longer to be official.
	And then when we found out he was moving to the same city, I said yes.
	But initially, you friend zoned him, correct?
	It was never like a complete friend zone.
	There was always a partial friend zone.
	He always had a chance.
	Okay.
	All right, interesting.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	And by the way, just sorry, repeat your age again.
	I'm 26.
	26, got it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I have been single for a year and a half.
	My longest relationship is six years.
	And yeah, that's pretty much it.
	Yeah.
	He's single.
	Longest relationship, six years.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Currently in single mode.
	It's a little challenging to do it with the brothel.
	So yeah, currently, I guess, single.
	Okay.
	How long have you been single?
	Since 2020.
	Okay.
	How long was that relationship?
	Not like three years.
	Was that your longest relationship too?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Hatch it now.
	Okay, so here, I'll come back to the brothel thing, but first I'm going to just have everybody share their relationship status situation.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for three, four years, and my longest relationship was around four days.
	So you've been single forever.
	Basically.
	Basically.
	So your longest relationship was for three to four days.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So it was official for three to four days.
	Yeah, he asked me to be his girlfriend.
	I said yes.
	And then I broke up with him four days later.
	Why?
	To keep it simple, I just realized that I didn't like him, to be honest.
	So like was it a pity he asked you to be the girlfriend and you out of pity you said yes and then?
	I mean I said yes.
	We had only hung out a few times and we had been talking over Snapchat.
	I mean I was like 16 for like a month and then he asked me out and I said yes.
	I liked him at first.
	I barely really knew him and then we hung out more and I just realized that he was not for me.
	Okay.
	And what's the I guess that was your longest relationship.
	What's the longest period of time that you've seen a guy?
	So maybe it wasn't boyfriend girlfriend, but maybe it was a friends with benefits or it could have been situationship.
	What's the longest period of time?
	I would say a month, maybe the most, or the longest that I've talked to someone was two months, probably.
	The longest you've talked to someone two months.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Got it.
	And you said you've been single for four years, was it?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so the three to four day thing was when you were 16.
	Was this like a high school type thing?
	I believe so.
	Yeah, I was in high school.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am in a relationship and my longest relationship is five years.
	Is that your current one?
	No, I've been in this relationship almost four years.
	Four years, okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm single and my longest relationship has been six months and I've been single for five months.
	All right.
	I just started seeing someone, so it's very new.
	But my longest relationship was almost a year, about a year.
	Longest relationship was one year.
	Because I think when we were chatting on Instagram, like coordinating to get you on the show, when we first reached out to you, you were in a relationship.
	Well, no.
	And then you became single.
	So this is news to me that you're now in a relationship again.
	I'm a big believer in staying loyal since like the talking stage.
	So when I said like relationship, it was more so like talking stage.
	Currently right now?
	No.
	Originally, yes.
	Back then.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	But now I'm seeing someone.
	And wait, is it the same guy?
	As from okay, gotcha And did you say how long you've been seeing this current guy?
	It's like fairly new.
	Pretty new?
	It's like a few weeks.
	A couple weeks?
	We have.
	Okay.
	Madison, what about you?
	I am not single.
	I'm in a very committed relationship.
	This is my longest relationship currently, 11 months and like three days.
	All right, rock and roll.
	Okay, so you work in a brothel.
	Yes, in Nevada.
	It's a legal brothel.
	Okay.
	By the way, Nick, the kick isn't working, so if you can just stop it on kick.
	How long have you been doing that?
	I've been doing that, gosh, since, well, after COVID, I was there 2018, but then I came back after COVID.
	So like 2021?
	Yeah, so a couple years now.
	And I mean, even before you were working in said.
	Is there like a different word I can just, because YouTube's finicky with this.
	What's it, like, is there a French word for brothel?
	Bordello?
	Wait, Bordello?
	think there is.
	It's what is a board?
	The red light disc.
	That's a wine.
	Legal red light disc?
	Oh, bordello.
	Bordello.
	Thank you.
	Okay, I'm going to say bordello.
	I like that.
	Sounds like a wine.
	I've always had a balloon.
	I'm going to have to bordello.
	All right.
	My intuition was correct.
	All right.
	So you work in a bordello.
	Yes, I do.
	That's how you should introduce yourself to people.
	It's a little more vague, so they might think, oh, fancy.
	And a courtesan.
	Yeah, there you go.
	So before your work in the Bordello, were you doing that manner of work previously?
	Yes, I was independent for some time.
	Escorting?
	Yes.
	And then before that, I was a dancer.
	I worked at Cheetah's, Spearmint Rhino, and then Deja Vu in San Diego.
	And then, you know, The OnlyFans.
	And I did Playboy TV.
	I was an actor.
	Okay.
	That was real nice.
	Is there a lot of demand for, there must, I assume there must be for like you currently do OF, correct?
	I do, but I've I've kind of changed it.
	It became harder for me to do it after that.
	So I think my energy levels, so I try to just do more of like a self-care one where it's like if people, I send free photographs every day.
	And if people want to send a tip, then they do it.
	And I'll just send it, you know, pictures and stuff.
	Before it was a little more detailed and stuff like that.
	Okay.
	So how long have you been escorting?
	Ooh, I would say, gosh, since I was 22 years old.
	I'm 30 now.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Do you know how many, like, have you kept count of how many, what's the term, Johns or whatever?
	Oh, yeah.
	I, you know, I didn't keep count.
	I should have.
	But.
	You got an estimate.
	You know what?
	I don't know the estimate of that, but you know what?
	I do remember the ones where I was disappointed that they were like, they fantasized about me before they met me.
	And the ones I remember, it was eight.
	And they said, you did not live up to my fantasy.
	And I said, wow, like, I remember those ones.
	I know.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I remember.
	I remember the eight out of all those years of your clientele that they were disappointed.
	They left a negative Yelp review.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	And it feels a little bad because you're like, man, I gave.
	I gave all myself.
	You know, it hurts a little bit.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I'm really, so I study sexual spirituality.
	I'm going to be going to an international school of temple.
	Yes.
	Nick, can you lower it to like 90 or something?
	Continue.
	I go to the International School of Temple Arts and they have a sacred sexuality course and it's on sexual shamanism.
	They teach Tantra.
	They teach all that.
	And I believe that when I really connect with someone and really, you know, in that way, I'm giving all myself.
	So it does hurt me if, like, emotionally, if, you know, I hear something like that, because it's like, man, I feel like I gave all myself.
	Yeah.
	You're a shaman?
	I wish.
	I wish, but I'm going to the international.
	No, I mean like World of Warcraft.
	Like, are you a classic Andy or like, because you said you're a shaman.
	Oh, no, they have.
	Like, did you play orc or troll?
	Oh, those.
	I don't do any of those.
	I did play Grand Theft Auto when I was younger.
	Wait, but are you, do you get a sex shaman certification?
	You can, yes.
	Are you a certified sex shaman?
	No, not yet.
	That would be real neat, though.
	Am I able to become a sex shaman?
	You can.
	In ISTA schools, it's $2,500 for a week of the courses, and you can go there.
	And you spiritually, they cleanse you, they talk about your traumas and everything, and they kind of release.
	So is there like a magic component?
	Like, is it like shamanism?
	There's typically like magic involved.
	Is there like good magic and then dark magic?
	Like, is there dark sexual magic?
	I believe there is.
	Really?
	I believe there is.
	They don't teach that at the certification course, though.
	Where do you have to go?
	Like, Hogwarts or?
	It's the ISTA school.
	It's in Arizona.
	Well, they have them everywhere.
	No, for like the black magic shaman living.
	I don't do that one.
	Okay.
	Don't do that one.
	Okay, gotcha.
	I do that.
	Okay, wow.
	Okay.
	So at any point, did you ever have a PIMP?
	I did.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Sometimes?
	You know, it was when I was real young and I didn't really understand the industry.
	I believe that I'm glad that I found the holistic route with the sexual shamanism.
	And I'm glad that I did find the legal brothels because that just wasn't, that wasn't my style.
	I think I was doing it in survival mode.
	And now I'm doing it to thrive.
	And I really do it to try to make people feel good and to make myself feel good.
	So that's what I'm doing now.
	College $3,500.
	Yo, Brian, here is the donation I was mentioning about from Instagram.
	I am never up when you are sitting, but I wanted to contribute something for your work.
	I like watching in part as it reminds me of my younger years in the dating world.
	Aw.
	Yo, P, thank you, man.
	He's pre-submitted this prior to the show.
	So really, really appreciate it, man.
	Thank you so much.
	Really appreciate all the patronage.
	You're a legend.
	We were messaging on Instagram.
	So thank you, man.
	Really appreciate your patronage here.
	So wait, just to go back.
	Okay.
	Can I ask?
	Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
	What is a Bordello?
	A Bordello?
	Yeah, I genuinely don't know what it is.
	So I'm just like, kind of.
	Yes.
	So it's a legal bordello in Nevada.
	They have many of them, and they're legal, and you can go there to get treated.
	Let's say that.
	And you go there, and they pay.
	Everything is tested.
	It's kind of like an adult film star, but no camera.
	That's what it's kind of like.
	Only people can film films if they want for a certain amount.
	They can.
	Do you live on the property of it or is it like off-site?
	It's on the property, but we don't live there, but we do tours.
	So they call them tours where we come in for a couple weeks.
	Sometimes girls stay a month, but then they take off back home and go back.
	Okay.
	I have a question.
	Do you used to live in Las Vegas?
	No, that's a dream.
	Yeah.
	Also, I wanted to say I'm really proud of you for getting away from that PIMP stuff.
	I also danced in Vegas for seven years, and I have friends who are still stuck in that so many years later.
	So congratulations for finally getting out of that.
	Thank you.
	What if he was like PIMP?
	Like what if he was like a good PIMP though?
	There's no such thing.
	There's definitely.
	You could be a good PIMP.
	I feel like I outgrew it.
	Yeah.
	What made you want to get into the industry?
	You said you started when you were 22.
	I think that there's the time where I think I was in survival mode where it was.
	So I had originally worked a life insurance company, so I did have a job before.
	I worked at McDonald's for five years before that.
	But then I did life insurance, and then I did dancing.
	That was cool.
	But I think what happened was when you're an actor and your show ends, you get like this, you know, you get in a spiral.
	Like you're like, I miss my show.
	The show ended at Playboy, and I was upset.
	And so I, I don't know, I kind of became like lazy a little bit.
	Maybe it was depression or something.
	But I ended up connecting with someone and I ended up doing these extracurricular things outside of the club.
	And one thing ended not well.
	And after that, I had a good friend.
	She is an adult film star, and she helped me.
	And she took me.
	Her name's Paisley Porter, by the way.
	She showed me the Bordello in Nevada, and it really helped my life, like, so much.
	I feel like the question is, like, what made you start sex work?
	Yeah.
	Like, why did you get into sex work?
	Gotcha.
	I think that I was always very conservative growing up.
	And our sexuality, my mother, she didn't really allow us to be feminine, really.
	We had to kind of just wear clothes that were not feminine, really.
	And if we showed like a little skin or something, we grew up real conservative.
	Like, I would door knock.
	I was a Baptist, and we would go to doors when we were kids and knock and try to convert people.
	And so I would do that.
	And I would say that years of that, it just, it was the experimental.
	I was like, wow, I could be sexy now.
	Like, guys think I'm hot.
	Like, I'm used to wearing a suit.
	A lot of people used to think I was a lesbian, or they used to think that because I wouldn't, I would dress in a suit every day, and I just would wear clothes that covered all of my body.
	And it was neat exploring that.
	Yeah.
	Would you consider yourself still religious?
	Like, do you feel like the beliefs that you grew up with are still kind of like with you?
	I think they've morphed, but I definitely think that there's still an element there.
	Definitely.
	Yeah.
	I noticed you had, I don't know if it's, you have a Nirvana tattoo on your somewhere.
	I did.
	I actually covered it up with.
	Oh, it's gone.
	I covered it up with a flower, but I did.
	It was for the band.
	I like rock and roll.
	Okay, wait, question for you.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Kurt Cobain walks into the brothel, but he's out of money.
	Okay.
	You still.
	Not him, but the joker.
	The Heath Ledger Joker.
	I mean, you got to pay something.
	He wasn't in Nirvana, though.
	Okay, Heath Ledger, you service for free.
	Not Kurt Cobain.
	Oh, no, but not even Heath Ledger.
	Heath Ledger as the Joker, as some dark shit right there.
	Holy, what about Joaquin Phoenix Joker?
	Oh, no.
	No, not sexy enough.
	But Heath Ledger Joker.
	Because the Heath Ledger Joker changed my life.
	Just his presence.
	Okay, how did he change your life?
	I wrote a song about him, but it's coming out next year.
	But just his presence, I think I was going through a real tough time in life and just his presence.
	I watched The Dark Knight like over 200 times and I would just watch it and I'd did you ever?
	No, not to the movie surprisingly, but I could see I'm like hmm, but I derailed that okay.
	Okay, so you saw the movie 200 times and it changed.
	It just made me feel strong watching his character and it just I don't know, I feel like that's like my strong character.
	If that makes any sort of sense.
	Okay yeah, all right, makes total sense.
	Yeah, Interesting.
	Okay.
	So let's just go touch on a few other people here.
	So boyfriend one month, single, single, single relationship, single relationship relationship.
	She is a fiancé.
	Yes, there you have it.
	So just as a point of clarification for those of you who are single, what's that really mean?
	You know?
	Because like, there's a, come on, guys, there's a guy in the picture.
	For those of you who are single, come on.
	There's a guy in the picture, right?
	No, no, no.
	Zero.
	No.
	There's not.
	There's no.
	Like, there's a guy you're texting.
	Maybe you guys on a Tuesday at 11 p.m., you know?
	No, no, no.
	Nothing.
	No.
	Nothing.
	I mean, there's people I find attractive, but I'm not talking to anyone, though.
	Okay.
	You two?
	There's a dude in the picture.
	Come on.
	Nope.
	Yeah, I guess, but I don't really want to comment on that too much.
	What do you mean?
	What did?
	I mean, F it.
	There you go.
	Yeah, so I guess some background.
	I was living in Vegas for like seven years, and then I recently moved back to my hometown because I had some surgeries.
	And so I have a thing for like guys in my hometown.
	So I totally am like hooking up with somebody in my hometown.
	But it's not serious.
	And I don't really want it to be serious because I don't want to be stuck there.
	Where's your hometown?
	Santa Rosa, California.
	You have a thing for guys in your hometown?
	I've literally only seated guys in my hometown.
	But you don't want to stay there.
	I don't want to say that.
	Actually, I tend to bring them with me to Vegas.
	I have an M.O. I've only had two serious relationships, and they're both from my hometown.
	I brought them both to Vegas.
	We love Vegas.
	I love Vegas.
	Yeah.
	Me too.
	Wait, so okay.
	And just really quick on the, I don't want to linger too long on the brothel stuff, but maybe we'll touch back on it later.
	Given the type of work you do, you said you are single.
	You said you've been single for what, three years now?
	I suspect that's pretty hard to date when you're prostituting.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, it's difficult because you're gone for prolonged periods of time, the emotional connections, and it just, it can be real complicated for someone to understand.
	And sometimes it's just better to be like, all right, maybe I'll just, this is that chapter of my life, and that's what it is.
	Sure.
	Do you kind of want to be like throughout your life, maybe more like lone wolf?
	Or would you like one day to find a long-term partner, maybe get married, maybe have kids?
	Where are you at with that?
	So I can, I don't have the ability to have children, but I've always been, I've always loved entertainment.
	And even though I have worked in the Bordellos, it's so funny, like little kids around the age of, I don't really dress provocatively like when I go out.
	Like this is something special.
	But they always come up to me and they grab and they go, like they get so excited.
	So I'm like, oh, wow, like I would love to entertain families one day in like Las Vegas.
	I just, I have to figure out how.
	But I think that I would dedicate my life to that.
	And if someone was okay with me doing that, then I would definitely be in a relationship with him.
	When you say dedicate your life, do you mean to your partner or to your current work?
	I want to dedicate my life to entertainment.
	And then, but, but not fully adult entertainment.
	Eventually, I would love to entertain families, like kind of grow beyond that.
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean, entertain families?
	I would love to put on a show one day and make it.
	I'm like a drag show.
	No, not that.
	But like entertain, like a clown?
	You want to be a clown?
	No.
	Like for birthday parties?
	No.
	Entertain families.
	I'm just trying to think what for birthday parties, right?
	Bar mitzvahs, what are we talking about?
	So music.
	Okay, you're a musician.
	Yes, right.
	And I would love to do like a really relaxing show.
	I feel like we live in such an overstimulated world.
	Like I would love to make a show where families could go and just relax.
	And that's something one of my dreams that I'm obsessed about.
	And so maybe one day it'll happen.
	You play an instrument?
	Piano and I'm learning guitar.
	I just bought one yesterday.
	Do you sing too?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So, but do you potentially see yourself having like a forever partner long-term relationship marriage, that sort of thing?
	Okay.
	I mean, then, but it seems like you're not, you're aware that your current means of employment has been a hindrance to your ability to find because it sounds like from your own your own self-acknowledgement, it's been difficult.
	Yes, yes.
	Would you be willing to stop that work if the good guy came along?
	I would think so.
	I just think that as long as my entertainment dreams could be supported, because that's something real big to me, and I know they're expensive because it's expensive doing music and entertainment.
	It's real expensive.
	So if that was supported, then yes.
	I do have a question.
	How do you see yourself, I guess, like maintaining a long-lasting, healthy marriage when you're having sexual and emotional connections with so many other people?
	I think that I would probably want to make sure that that person was okay with it.
	I would make sure that I continued to go to these spiritual.
	So you go up in levels with these shamanistic retreats.
	You can go to like Costa Rica.
	You can work your way up.
	So I would always keep it more spiritual.
	I feel like that's my comfort zone.
	If I start going out of that, it starts to become a little hollow for me.
	So in my own opinion, but I really love that sexual healing industry.
	I feel like it did heal a part of myself and I hopefully heal others too if I, you know, 78 people.
	I only ask because I feel like in a marriage, like it's more than just like spiritual and sexual.
	There's like a lot of things to like take into consideration.
	So I guess my question is more so like how do you like blur those lines kind of or not blur those lines more so?
	I think it would need to be okay with the partner.
	I'd need to make sure say how do you feel about me doing that?
	And they would already know like my story and that.
	And so I would just be like, if that's okay with you, cool.
	But if it's not, then I totally understand.
	You could leave any time you need to.
	And I understand.
	I'm not going to have any hurt.
	I mean, okay, I'll probably have some hurt feelings, but I want them to be happy too.
	How many days a week do you work at the Bordello?
	So that is a very interesting question that I'm glad that you asked.
	Sometimes I feel like after I see some people that are hurting a lot, I can't work for like two days.
	I just can't get out of bed.
	And because I feel their emotions like in me, sometimes I get real angry and worked up over nothing.
	And then sometimes I cry out of nowhere.
	And I know in the spirituality classes, they teach that that's an emotional transfer of that energy.
	And so sometimes it wipes you out and sometimes it doesn't.
	I would say I try to space things out probably a couple days a week there.
	Probably like a week.
	Probably like four to five if I could, but average three to five.
	I would say that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	How many people do you see per day?
	I try my hardest to only see one because I don't like to mix energies.
	Just one?
	Okay.
	What's the rate?
	Well, we aren't allowed to.
	You can't disclose.
	Is it negotiated?
	It is.
	Is it on a per-person basis or is it like there's a flat rate?
	So the girls actually.
	Well, it depends on what the dude wants.
	Yeah, it depends on what he wants.
	If you want something longer.
	I try to do time only, but for my sexual healing, I do not charge extra for that.
	It can be in the basic sessions because I feel like if I'm charging extra for it, it's not very spiritual.
	It seems very capitalistic.
	So I feel like, hey, if they come into me for that, I'm going to give them that.
	And that's what's going to happen.
	What do you mean by sexual healing?
	Like, what is that?
	So that, when we bond with another human, especially through kissing or through intercourse, I just didn't know what to say.
	That's fun.
	That's fine.
	I feel like it can release someone's emotions.
	I feel like I try to take on those emotions that that person has because I want to take away their pain.
	Sometimes I feel like that's when I get wiped out if I, you know, if I feel like, whoa, I just took on too much.
	Like, but then I just rest.
	Brandon Melston.
	Brands need $100.
	Holy crap.
	Next person start talking, please.
	I think it's interesting.
	I don't think we've ever had.
	I agree.
	I have a question as well.
	It's very interesting.
	Yeah, I don't think we've ever had some.
	First off, thank you, Brandon.
	I don't think we've had someone who's worked in a bordello on the show.
	What's your question, Madison?
	Since you like to pursue, I guess, like intercourse in a spiritual way, I would say it's very much so also emotional, correct?
	Yes, yes.
	Do you ever feel emotionally tied to the people that in a very strong way where you feel like you want to be with them?
	Or is it kind of just like you know it's your kind of feel when they're having a bad day and even when they're not there?
	Like I can feel it.
	Like I'm like that person might be having a hard time.
	And I just know it.
	Do you ever like, I guess when I mean like emotional, like bonding with them?
	Yeah.
	I'm curious.
	In a relationship type of emotional way though.
	Like do you ever see that with some of the people that you come across?
	Like do you ever feel a certain way towards I think it's more like human to human.
	Like I'm like wow like I respect this person as a human being and they found me and I found them and we're in a soul group.
	Like this is happening.
	Also do like you work I'm sure you work with like other women as well doing that.
	Do they do it like spiritually as well or is it just kind of you who does some probably some probably could.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Let's do this.
	We're going to switch topics here a little bit.
	So have any of you ever dated or hooked up with someone who is famous?
	What do we consider famous?
	Like well known.
	So I mean the first tier would be like anything in tradit like more traditional media.
	So actor, musician.
	And then the next tier would be like content, internet, YouTuber.
	Like that's kind of a actually I think it goes like this.
	So you have, I think you have athlete, musician, actor, and then maybe stand-up comedian, ventriloquist, and then YouTuber, content creator down here.
	And yeah.
	I mean, my boyfriend's a YouTuber, but sorry, my boyfriend's a YouTuber, but I don't know if it would qualify as would we know him?
	Anyone who's in the fitness industry would.
	I don't think anyone here would.
	It's him and his brother.
	It's the Trend twins.
	I'm dating one of them, not both of them.
	Really?
	Does he do trend?
	He did for a month.
	Okay.
	And then stopped.
	I think I'm allowed to say that.
	Yeah, I'm sure it's fine.
	I'm really sorry about that.
	Well, you two are, would you consider yourself bodybuilders, like fitness?
	A tech.
	A tech.
	Technically, we're bodybuilders.
	Technically, here, show us the try.
	We try not to classify.
	Damn, Myron, okay.
	Wait, double by?
	Double by?
	Double by?
	Hold on.
	Oh, God, I'm scared.
	Oh, wait.
	You can't scoot that way a little bit, or just going to like, yeah, there you go, double by.
	Boom, flock, Myron.
	Let's see you.
	What about you?
	Yeah, you got.
	Oh, God.
	She mogs me.
	It's bad.
	Oh, wait.
	You can't even see the mic's blocking.
	The mic, can you maybe?
	Should we do a little stand?
	You want to do, can you stand?
	You want me to stand and flex?
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Okay, you want me to stand?
	You can't even see any word.
	I think if you, I think if you roll your sleeves up, girl.
	Roll my sleeves up.
	Wow.
	Oh, okay.
	For the delts.
	For the delts.
	Okay, all right.
	I'm literally about to get attacked for being too masculine.
	I just know it's coming.
	Incoming young man.
	Do you get that?
	Like, do you consider yourself to be, I mean, you're physically fit, but like in terms of your personality or your temperament, do you consider yourself a bit more masculine or dominant?
	I think naturally, considering our job, we definitely feel masculine in the gym because lifting weight is like a masculine act, I would say.
	And I, I mean, like, I would consider myself a girly girl, but obviously in the gym, I do feel masculine.
	Yeah.
	But like in a relationship.
	In a relationship?
	No, I don't.
	You don't want to be like more dominant in the relationship.
	No, definitely not.
	Okay, so like you don't want like peg a dude like type of thing.
	No, no.
	I mean, no.
	Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, definitely not.
	In my relationship, I would not want to peg my boyfriend.
	Okay, so good to know.
	Good to know.
	Gentlemen, if you're watching, okay.
	So, okay.
	You're dating a kind of the like content creator.
	Yeah.
	The Trenton.
	Twins brother.
	Trent is a type of steroid.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	What about you?
	Have you ever dated someone noteworthy, famous?
	I dated a famous million slash billionaire.
	Yeah.
	But I don't really want to name drop.
	I'm a little bit more.
	Oh, come on.
	You say.
	I know.
	I said I didn't sign an NDA.
	I didn't sign an NDA.
	I've got all kinds of crazy stories.
	I know, but now I'm kind of scared because, I mean, I'm willing to tell the stories, but he is a million slash billionaire, so I don't want him to come after me.
	Million slash, is he a billionaire or a millionaire?
	I think he meant as himself is a millionaire, but I think his family is a billionaire.
	Yeah.
	So, wait, you said here you were in an open relationship for six years.
	Yeah, with my first boyfriend.
	Oh, but when I, when I, oh, no, okay, yeah, you did say six years, your first boyfriend.
	Was that with said person, said millionaire guy?
	What's his name?
	Do you want to say, I mean, you don't have to, you don't have to, but.
	No, I'm too scared.
	I'm sorry.
	Like, I thought about it, but I don't know.
	It's not worth it to me.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You said you had some crazy stories or do you not want to even share those?
	I mean, I don't have to.
	They'll come up as a with him?
	Sure.
	Oh, with the millionaire?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Yeah, he was a, I think, weirdo in a way.
	Can we say what he owned?
	Vaguely, like, not the specific thing, but.
	He owns.
	He used to own a basketball team, and he opened a hotel in Las Vegas.
	Okay, well, I think you've just given enough information for the chat to attempt to deduce who was.
	That's fine.
	I didn't say anything, so.
	Hold on, just say that.
	Valdev donated 90% of the time.
	Yeah, thank you, Valdev.
	Gordam, I want to eat eggs and steak off the maps as to chat you won't see Chase again.
	His convictions and morals were given an easy test and failed.
	He knows it and won't risk it again.
	We'll see about we'll see.
	But is he talking to you about the abs?
	I don't have abs, so I've you don't you don't have abs ab check?
	Yes, she does.
	She's bulking.
	She's not supposed to have abs right now because she's on a bulk.
	Should we do an ab check or what?
	I'm scared.
	I don't want to get bullied.
	You won't get bullied.
	You're on a bolt.
	Ab check.
	I don't know.
	Let's do an ab check.
	All right.
	All right.
	Who's scared?
	Go ahead.
	You get to go first.
	You have to go.
	Maybe at the same time, so there's a comparison factor.
	You're going to go.
	I don't have.
	I'm scared.
	I'm scared.
	I'm like, why would you want Carly and Lock in?
	There you go.
	See, nothing there.
	Hey.
	I saw something.
	Okay.
	Hers are wild.
	So Valdiv is, I guess, he's asking if a boyfriend you were dating requested to eat food off of your stomach with not like not like for sexual like a sexual thing.
	It's just like he just like wanted, would you be down?
	If it wasn't sexual, why would he want that?
	That's just like inconvenient.
	You know?
	Okay, so maybe it is sexual then.
	Let's say it's sexual.
	Would you oblige your boyfriend?
	I mean, it depends on how much I liked him.
	I would definitely think that's very strange.
	What if the eggs are like they're not?
	Does it depend like if they're scrambled versus overeating?
	Probably like sunny side up.
	You don't want shit falling off.
	Okay, definitely not scrambled.
	Maybe like hard-boiled would be good.
	Yeah, that would actually probably be the best option.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So Valdiv, I've put in a good word.
	So let's see what I tried.
	Okay.
	Famous dude.
	Okay.
	I guess he was a strange guy.
	He would like, like, I never slept with him ever.
	That was like he wasn't, he couldn't even like perform in that way.
	How old was he?
	In his 50s, I want to say.
	50s, yeah.
	He couldn't perform.
	Yeah, he could not perform.
	Yeah.
	Even if he tried, he couldn't.
	Wait, what?
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Any other people besides this person?
	No, notably.
	I mean, yeah, no.
	Not like in a serious way.
	I mean, I like met celebrities at the strip club and whatnot and like danced for them, but like not dated.
	It's different.
	What about you?
	All of mine I had to sign an NDA for.
	There was a private event in Las Vegas that I worked at.
	When you say you worked at, you provided your services of an adult nature.
	No.
	Were you dancing?
	Was it problem?
	It was an atmosphere model.
	And there was a lot of, I guess, poker players, NFL, and people on TV currently.
	But they had to sign an NDA.
	Yeah.
	Maybe instead of obviously don't say name, but like you can maybe tell us the professional athlete, rock musician, actor, television host, I would say a comedian, NFL, and then we partied with a prince.
	Saudi Arabia?
	I can't say what country.
	Oh, okay.
	Yay!
	What about you?
	No, I have not.
	Nobody.
	Nobody.
	Come on.
	Nobody's brothers.
	Would you guys like that if like?
	I tried to convince her for a little bit because I thought it'd be cool, but no.
	Yeah, no.
	Different tastes.
	I'm not going to say anything.
	No, no, no, say, say, say, come on.
	We tried it out.
	Oh, with the other bro.
	Yes.
	No go.
	It didn't work out.
	It didn't work.
	It just didn't work at all.
	Was this the fourth day?
	Sorry?
	Was this the four-day thing?
	No, no, no, no.
	The four-day thing was four years ago.
	I just don't see myself being in a relationship right now.
	You're focused on the gains.
	Real games.
	Focused on the games.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Do you, so you're dating also a fitness content creator?
	Do you guys work out together?
	No.
	Is it kind of.
	Oh, sorry, go ahead.
	Sorry.
	No, no, no.
	You can ask your question.
	It was.
	Well, I interrupted you, but I was going to ask: is it like, what do you guys, hold on.
	Illuminated $99.
	FYI.
	Trend was intentionally developed to promote androgen and gain muscle mass in cattle, never for human use.
	Brian, love the show.
	Ladies, you're all tense, but my boobala is a 15 tense.
	You're going to get it when you get home.
	That's my fiancé.
	And he actually did trend for a moment, and it was not a good experience for anyone.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we love the show.
	We love the show.
	Thank you so much.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you very much for your patronage, man.
	Appreciate it.
	What did he, what's your nickname?
	Boobala?
	I'm Boobala, and he's Boobaloo.
	Yeah, that's like a thing.
	Okay, gotcha.
	So what I was going to ask you is, is it kind of like cringe when you see couples working out together, or is it like neutral, don't care?
	It really depends.
	We luckily have a private gym, so we don't really have to worry about other people being there or anything.
	Wait, when you say private gym, the company we're sponsored by has a private gym just for athletes, so there's never really anybody there.
	But it depends.
	If you're actually training, it's not cringe.
	But there are a lot of couples who go and just borderline in the gym.
	It's a little crazy.
	Like PDA type shit.
	That's kind of weird.
	Yeah, that's weird.
	Have you ever seen some weird, like they're like, he's body squatting, body weight squatting her, like that type of shit?
	Sure.
	That's definitely especially among fitness influencers, like a big like clickbait thing, like benching a chick or squatting a chick or like not to call out Bradley Martin.
	Oh.
	He's nice.
	But yeah, no, a lot of his content is like benching chicks, squatting chicks.
	Okay, got it.
	Wait, what's the company you guys are sponsored by?
	Young LA.
	Young LA.
	It's a clothing company.
	It's a clothing company.
	Are you guys also, do you have other sponsors like Supplements or Gorilla Minds?
	Which is a supplement company.
	Is that the one that has the gym?
	No, Young LA is the one that's the one.
	Young LA is the one that has the gym.
	Okay, so that's cool.
	You guys have access to a private gym, rock and roll.
	Okay.
	So no famous people for you.
	What about for you?
	Any in the past?
	So, no, because I was in a five-year relationship and then I was single for like a few months and then I met my boobaloo.
	So yeah, but I do get a lot of, well, now you can buy a blue check mark.
	But before you could buy it, I always had blue check marks like constantly.
	But I was just always in a relationship and then, yeah.
	Oh, that is another question.
	I'm always monogamous.
	So.
	Yeah, that is another question.
	Obviously, now blue check marks, you can buy them, but in the past, usually indicated someone who typically like, I don't know, musician, athlete, actor, whatever it may be, music producer.
	So I do actually want to go around again, but I'll have everyone finish off on this question as far as if you've ever dated anyone famous.
	My last relationship, he was an actor when he was younger, but we didn't do anything saving myself for marriage.
	So just dated.
	He was an actor?
	He was an actor in Hollywood.
	Okay.
	Not super, super big.
	He used to be in Disney when he was a kid.
	But that's all I'll share.
	Disney, when he was a kid.
	Yeah.
	Johnny Tsunami?
	No.
	No, he's too old.
	Okay, what about you?
	I have not, no.
	Never?
	No.
	What about like any famous political people?
	Because you're in the political space.
	Yeah.
	I mean, not dated, no.
	I mean, I've definitely been hit up by like people.
	People.
	It goes down in the DMs in the conservative sphere.
	I mean, I've never entertained it, to be honest.
	I mean, it's kind of like a mix between, you know, football players, actors, musicians, and like media personalities, I guess, news hosts.
	Okay, so you get DM'd, but just you've never actually dated, been in a relationship with them.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	I'll go around the table on who's actually slid into DMs and stuff.
	Madison, what about you?
	Nar.
	Nur.
	Okay, rock and roll.
	before we do that let me do a couple chats here so we have one sec Have you?
	Have I dated anyone who got blue famous?
	Let me think about it.
	Emmy Vloss, hey, thank you, man, for the 69.
	Pretty.
	Specifically due to Miss Isabella.
	Wait, what?
	Who's someone here named Miss Isabella?
	Oh, I mean, Isabella, but.
	Okay, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Specifically due to Miss?
	I'm confused.
	I'm a little confused.
	Do you get this?
	I don't understand it.
	It was sent a while ago, so maybe I'm not sure.
	But he's maybe donating due to you.
	Yeah.
	I think it's for an honor.
	It's for you.
	Yeah, I got it.
	It's a $69 donation because.
	Yeah, have I ever.
	I did have one girl.
	Never.
	I don't think I've dated anyone.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me think.
	Wait.
	There was one long time ago.
	I don't want to remember.
	Is she on?
	She was an actress.
	was a long long years and years ago but um only recently like I had a girl with like oh shit Hey, AB Check, thank you for the 20 gifted memberships, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I had a girl with like 10 million followers signed to my DMs, but it was blue check mark.
	Yeah, that was not.
	Didn't go anywhere.
	Well, that was a couple months ago.
	But besides that, no.
	I date civilians, I guess.
	We have two chats here.
	We have Kaiser Wilhelm II.
	Madison, can you read this?
	Splendid show, Brian.
	However, this sexual perversion and witchcraft is directly against the word of God.
	Also, will that gentleman Chase be back on the show soon?
	Not sure.
	Chase is kind of dealing with some things.
	Not sure what the situation is on that, but we actually, we were texting.
	It was either last night or earlier today.
	So, yeah, things are good.
	Just he's got some things going on.
	So, yo, Conan19, thank you, man, if you want to read this.
	If I had to pick a female companion for the zombie apocalypse, it's Ariel, hands down.
	She's like a Latin Sarah Connor, except way hotter and jacked.
	I don't even know who that is.
	Who's Sarah Connor?
	Yeah, I've never seen her.
	She's cool.
	Thank you, Conan.
	I'll protect you.
	Boom.
	Done.
	Done.
	Okay, cool.
	Thank you, man.
	And then we have, no, okay, we're all caught up.
	So we're going to go around the table again.
	So, okay, maybe you haven't dated someone who's famous, but have you gotten a bunch of DMs from Blue Checkmarks?
	So any athletes, any musician, maybe you talked to them, maybe you didn't even respond.
	If you want, you can say who.
	Athletes, musicians, what else?
	Actors, whatever.
	We'll start with you and go around.
	I mean, I think every chick has, I think it's kind of shitty to name drop, so I'm not going to do that, but rappers.
	Matthew McCarthy donated $99.
	You're engaged to an actor who stars in a World War II movie on Amazon Prime.
	Hello, weird fights.
	Did you forget about the first night we hung out?
	Ha ha ha.
	Should I respond?
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, he is an actor and he does have a movie out, actually.
	And yeah, the first night we hung out, we watched his movie and he was really good.
	So I was like, okay, we can pursue things further.
	I was like, this is going to be just terrible if he's not good.
	And then it's going to be unattractive.
	Yeah, but anyway.
	Wait, so just to be clear, the first time ever hanging out with him.
	Yes, yeah.
	He showed you a movie with himself.
	Yeah.
	Did he tell you he was in it before it?
	He just popped it in and popped it on and was laughing.
	And then you saw him.
	We met on a film set because we both actually also do acting as well.
	But we were actually working behind the scenes for a mutual friends film.
	And so it kind of just made sense.
	But we met and then we were like texting for like a week.
	And then he came into the bar that I worked at at the time.
	And he was like, oh, like I was just in this movie.
	And I was like, oh, let's watch it.
	And then that's whenever I was like, oh, no, I did actually relate it.
	That would have been really funny.
	But yeah, I was just like, oh man, I really like this guy.
	Like, I really hope he's good.
	That's just going to suck, but he is good.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Where do we live?
	Oh, yeah.
	Rappers.
	There were rappers, athletes, but this is like oddly specific.
	Do you know what IMG Academy is?
	Sounds familiar.
	It's like a super high-end charter school for athletes.
	And it's in my hometown.
	So there are a lot of athletes, like an abnormal amount of athletes that hit me up.
	But yeah.
	Abnormal amount of athletes.
	Yeah, I feel like it's weird just because, I don't know.
	Yeah, it was an odd, odd spot for that place to be.
	Gotcha.
	And your boyfriend, the what's his name?
	His name's Chris.
	Chris Chris Trent.
	Trend.
	Chris Trent.
	Trend, bro.
	Chris Trent.
	Okay.
	I don't know if he's ever talked to you about this, but does he ever, or maybe prior to dating you, or even while dating you, does he get a lot of girls DMing him?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like a ton.
	I feel like every girl, we'll be like scrolling through TikTok together or something, and he'll be like, oh, yeah, she hit me up.
	She hit me up.
	She hit me up.
	I'm like, oh, okay, great.
	Awesome.
	You think he's, is he doing that like to kind of make you jealous or just I don't think it's a malicious intent.
	I don't think, yeah.
	Okay.
	Like it's better you know than you don't.
	Yeah, for sure.
	I think he tells me because it's like girls who are, I mean, obviously some of them are actually trying to be friendly, but you know, you never know.
	Okay.
	No comment.
	Well, no, you don't have to drop names, but just like you get in, did you get a lot of athletes, musicians, actors DMing you?
	Athletes, yes.
	Mostly athletes, but this was like years ago, back when I was still stripping, and I had, I had like 40K on Instagram back then.
	I'm not on that anymore.
	I'm just a normal girl now.
	Okay.
	Wait, you're just a normal girl now?
	I mean, but don't you wait.
	Don't you still do OF?
	Nope.
	You don't do any adult content?
	No, I mean, yeah, no, I don't.
	I mean, I have an OF that's still there, and I still get subscriptions every here and there, and that's pretty much as big as it goes.
	I'm, yeah.
	For me, I've gotten DMs and those are neat because some of them are musicians that just want to work.
	They're like, oh, I've heard your music.
	And I'm like, like Mitchie Slick actually was like, oh, I heard it.
	And we never did anything, but he was like, oh, I heard it.
	And I was like, oh, thank you.
	That's nice.
	I used to listen to that in high school.
	So, yeah.
	No.
	Come on.
	There's some blue check marks that you have to.
	Well, yeah, blue check marks, but there's not anyone that I would specifically think about and be like, oh, yeah, they're, like, a celebrity or anything like that.
	What about?
	Yeah, there was one rapper that I would get comments about being like, oh, so-and-so follows you, and...
	Drake?
	No, no, no.
	I mean, I'll name drop.
	It was Zillakami, but he never DM'd me.
	And I told him that guy.
	Yeah, right.
	City Morrig.
	You never heard of City Morrig?
	Yeah, I told Carly about it.
	It's some 90s grunge music.
	It's grunge music, but it's.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, it's grunge wrap.
	Oh.
	Yeah, anyways, I didn't know who he was.
	And I told Carly and she was like, what?
	Why did you follow him button?
	That's pretty much it.
	That's it.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	I feel like you think I'm hiding something every time I answer.
	Come on.
	What about you?
	I mean, yeah, whenever I would get blue check, or when I do, it's usually just like basketball players, football players, things like that, like musicians, personalities.
	It's things like that.
	And it's always like in my whatever it is where like you don't follow them.
	But there's just so many messages in there.
	And I honestly just don't like care that much.
	So I never really pay attention.
	But yeah, there's definitely been quite a few because I have like relative, like 100 plus K followers.
	So I think that just happens with that.
	Okay.
	I don't really have any.
	I mean, there's occasional people sliding in the DMs.
	I feel like every girl deals with that.
	And I just ignore most of them.
	Like, don't initiate conversation because it's like just no point.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I feel like I do get a lot, but I also really don't entertain a lot of them.
	And I'm going to be completely honest.
	I'm not going to name drop, but I would say maybe about 80% of the DMs that I receive that are from blue check marks are from men with families and are like full-blown marriages.
	What?
	NAR.
	So that's mostly why I don't entertain it.
	Good times.
	Yeah, I could.
	Wife's name in the bio.
	But like you're a political commentator, so is it like when you say they're DMing you, are they just like saying, oh, I like your content?
	Or is it clear that they're like, oh, you're hot, like romantically interested type shit?
	No, there are times where I'm able to decipher kind of when it comes through.
	And a lot of them are message requests when they come through, like able to see like what they're saying.
	And so a lot of times I'm able to just decipher like, okay, this is clearly work related.
	And you're clearly 47 years old with a full-blown family.
	And you're messaging me for one reason and one reason only.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Damn, that's just, oh, NAR.
	Narr.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
	We've had a lot of girls on the panel say, oh, yeah.
	And I think some of you are maybe a little more out there in the sense that you guys are content creators and you're making content.
	So some of you have pretty decent followings.
	But we've had some girls on the show who are college students, 1,000 Instagram followers.
	And they're like, yep, NFL player DMing me, NBA player DMing me.
	And it's just interesting because I was thinking about the reverse.
	And there's not like famous female athletes Taylor Swift isn't DMing some like 19 year old college dude the same way Drake is like, you know, probably fucking sliding into some like 19 year old baddies fucking DM.
	So it's pretty interesting like the difference there.
	Which I think like dating culture has been completely distorted by social media.
	Because if you look at it, women, we are constantly getting messages.
	Men aren't usually getting those messages.
	And to see how detrimental, I mean, social media is not only psychologically just in general, but how it's impacting dating culture specifically.
	That's honestly why I stepped away from it.
	It was just sex work or like from social media?
	From social media specifically.
	I mean, sex work.
	I quit dancing because of COVID and because I kind of had to.
	But yeah, the social media thing, I just, I just realized how toxic it was.
	And I mean, I don't like to feel like I'm constantly being watched and like feel like the obligation to keep posting and posting and posting.
	So it's just not a thing for me.
	I do have a question.
	So you said that social media was like detrimental to you.
	Do you feel that like any of like the dancing or like the sex work you did was also detrimental to you?
	No.
	Honestly, I'm like super pro in-person sex work.
	I'm really, and not like anti-OF, but like for me personally, just like OnlyFans was like the most toxic kind of sex work I ever did.
	Interesting.
	Did you ever feel?
	No, I was going to say, did you ever feel fulfilled doing that type of work?
	110%.
	I think it depends for everyone, like where your fulfillment comes from.
	You know, if I find fulfillment in things of this world, I think I'm going to be constantly let down and disappointed as opposed to like finding my fulfillment from like my religion and God and the Bible.
	Right.
	Speaking of which, who here is religious?
	Maybe let's just do show of hands.
	Do you consider yourself religious?
	Show of hands.
	If spiritual, it's considered religious.
	Fine religious.
	Let's say, okay, is anyone here either Christian, Muslim, or Jewish?
	Jewish.
	Wait.
	Okay.
	I mean, I was raised Jewish, but.
	Okay.
	So, wait, so okay, you said I don't know where I think it's just me and Isabella Christian.
	Yeah.
	Well, I like, I go to Christian church now, but I was raised as like, I was raised in Mormon church, yeah.
	I'm a man of God.
	I was raised Baptist, but.
	Now you're spiritual.
	Yes.
	What made you, like, when did that kind of transition happen?
	Well, I was kind of honestly back and forth, like in my, I mean, I'm 26, but like my younger 20s, I was kind of like, okay, I would consider myself Christian.
	And then I would feel way more connected to like the universe and spirituality and like that kind of thing.
	So I think it just kind of happened over time where I just kind of wasn't feeling connected at all to like the Bible or like the church or like even really like the idea of Jesus.
	It just wasn't feeling like religious at all?
	He's sort of spiritual as well.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait, just okay, so to bring it back to you, you said when you were doing the work in person, you found that to be more rewarding than doing OF, so like releasing content online.
	When you say doing work in person, what do you mean?
	You were a dancer, correct?
	Correct.
	Were you also engaging in the same type of work that she was doing?
	I mean, I was just stripping.
	I had like sugar daddies, but like not, but I never like slept with any of them.
	I had like guys.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah, I never slept with any of them.
	I never had sex with them.
	and I've never had sexual acts with them.
	I mean, you're not, I mean, I know that's a thing.
	I know that's a thing, but it's like, where's the sugar?
	You know, like, you're not.
	I mean, can I explain?
	Sure.
	So they're like pay pigs, kind of.
	Not really.
	So, I mean, I would hang out with them in person.
	So as a stripper in Las Vegas, like, it's pretty common to have a guy to come ask you, like, oh, like, do you want to hang out?
	Whatever.
	And I would always make it like pretty clear, like I'm not willing to do extra stuff, but they would rather pay you than pay the club.
	So, I mean, I had this one guy, like, and he took me shopping, and we had a great time, and he was just super thrilled because he just liked that I was like showing him around Vegas.
	And this didn't happen all the time.
	Like, this is like very few men.
	I'm not saying this is a super common occurrence.
	I danced for seven years.
	It's probably happened like three to four times in that whole time.
	So, I'm not trying to advocate or promote any of that.
	In what ways?
	You mean escorting?
	No, just like, because I know that a lot of sex workers will kind of, I think, lie and be like, oh, like, I don't have to do anything.
	Like, guys just pay me to hang out.
	Like, yes, that does happen, but it's very rare.
	Okay.
	I was going to ask, in what ways did you think your like in-person and like physical work was better than your online work?
	Well, what I really liked about the in-person work is that I would go to work, I would, you know, pay my house fee, work, and then come home, and it was over.
	With OnlyFans, it's like constant.
	Like, it is, it's your whole life.
	And I'm the kind of person where I just like to clock in and clock out.
	And that's how like stripping was for me.
	So.
	Okay, well, you mentioned sugar daddies.
	I'll go around the table really quick on this.
	Anyone else here had the sugar daddy?
	Have you ever had a sugar daddy?
	No.
	Have you had the offer for a sugar daddy?
	Like a guy who's in your DMs.
	He's like, oh, I'll pay you $1,000 a week if you talk to me type shit.
	Offers, yes, I've never taken a picture of that.
	But not taking one though.
	Sure.
	You've had quite a few, correct?
	Well, I mean, not like a lot, but yeah, a couple here and there.
	Okay.
	And typically these are wealthy men, correct?
	Not always.
	Actually, I have this guy now, and I have, I quit sex work like, what's three years ago, and he still just pays me.
	He's a pay pig.
	And he just, he doesn't make a lot of money, but he just sends me money right here and there.
	And it's nice.
	When you say, okay, so he's a pay pig.
	He sends you money here and there.
	You guys don't hook up to anything.
	I've never met him in person.
	You've never met him?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	How much does he send you?
	I mean, it really depends on the month.
	Right now, he got let off from his job, so it's been zero for like three or four months now.
	When he was paying you, how much was he sending you?
	I want to say like this past year, probably like $400 to $800 a month.
	$40 to $800?
	To $800 a month, yeah.
	Do you think he's watching the show right now?
	I did send him the link.
	Yo, buddy, redirect your finances here.
	I'll help you out.
	Okay, so do you currently have any other sugar daddies or guys like this?
	Actually, it's really interesting.
	So, you know how that whole like Adam22 thing happened?
	Yeah.
	So I commented on a TikTok video.
	Mind you, I only have like 500 followers on TikTok.
	I commented, damn, I want a man like Adam22.
	And this guy hit me up on my Instagram.
	Like he went through the process of trying to find me.
	And he was like, I want to pay you.
	And he did.
	Super recently.
	Yes, recently.
	It was just like a one-time payment?
	Yeah.
	Did you send him anything in return?
	Like photos?
	We FaceTimed.
	One FaceTime.
	How much did he pay you for the singular FaceTime?
	100 bucks.
	Okay, that's...
	Yeah.
	How long was the FaceTime?
	Like 30 minutes or?
	Like few minutes, yeah.
	Like less than 10.
	What's the, I don't, with the, so you said you want a guy like Adam 22?
	So you want a guy who's okay with his partner fucking another dude?
	No, um, I just like how Adam22 was like very comfortable with like, first of all, like, you know, Lena or Lena?
	Yeah, I think Lena.
	Lena.
	Being like a sex worker, and then he, you know, was supporting her career.
	I personally, like, I'm, I prefer monogamy in my relationships, but I just liked that he was supporting her career and like allowed her to do that scene.
	I feel like that doesn't really make him like supportive.
	I kind of feel like it makes him a pimp.
	Like, he let his wife go get like effed by another man.
	Like, honestly, like, that's so humiliating for him.
	I think it's such an embarrassment to marriage and like the idea, like, what a husband should be.
	Like, I don't think like anyone should try for that in a partner at all.
	If anything, it benefited him.
	Like, he got money really.
	I mean, do you think that their finances are together or do you think they have their own separate finances?
	I mean, they're married to that.
	I mean, people who are married don't necessarily have joint accounts all the time.
	I mean, like, I'm sure.
	I mean, he's benefiting from her work and her fame directly links to him.
	And so, I mean, he's pimping out his wife, essentially, allowing him to do these things.
	And the other thing is they have young children, like, that are going to grow up and like see this.
	I mean, I've, you know, I've been a sex, well, I'm not anymore, but I was a sex worker for a long time.
	And I'm going to say, I don't know their situation, so I can't comment on that.
	I can't, like, I feel like you're kind of assuming things that you don't really know about necessarily.
	It's pretty fair to say he's a pimp for letting his wife get effed, you know, for money.
	Because he's getting, even if their finances are separate, don't tell me he had no benefit to this at all.
	I mean, as a sex worker, I had a boyfriend while I was doing sex work, and he allowed me to do it, and I was just shipping.
	I wasn't having sex for money.
	But, I mean, our money was 100% sex working.
	But did he allow you to do it?
	Or did he put, like, did he advocate for you doing it?
	He advocated for it.
	Okay.
	He was like, super.
	Yeah.
	And were you advocating?
	Were you buying him any gifts or giving him anything or paying for anything?
	No, we were actually very much in the middle.
	Like, I made it clear, like, this is what I pay for.
	This is what this is what you pay for.
	Do you think a woman should be allowed by her husband to engage in sex work while married?
	Like, do you think that would ever be appropriate?
	Yes.
	I think if it's between the couple.
	Doesn't that defeat the point of being married, though?
	Like, if a marriage is a union between a man and a woman and they're committed to each other, then what's the point of going outside of that?
	I think everybody's relationship is different.
	And I can't sit here and judge or make any like standards for somebody else's relationship.
	I mean, I guess I understand that, but I guess I'm more so saying that like marriage is like a union, like a legal relationship.
	Right, well, you're religious, right?
	So you see marriage as something different.
	Some people don't feel it like that.
	And I respect where you're coming from 110%.
	But the way I feel is just I can't comment on somebody else's relationship.
	Legally and religiously married.
	I feel like that's a pretty universal.
	Yeah, universal marriage, even if it's not, if they're non-religious, for example, but they're married by the state and man and a woman together.
	I mean, if a woman is still engaging in sex work, I mean, every day that's basically cheating on her husband.
	What is marriage then?
	Yeah, what would that?
	But, okay, so I'll do the red pill, blue pill thing.
	I mean, some red pillars will say that it's okay for men to cheat and women to not.
	I also think that cheating, to me, is lying.
	If you're open with your partner about what you're doing, people have open marriages.
	So if you're open with your partner about what you're doing, then I don't consider it cheating.
	Like cheating equals lying to me.
	I mean, obviously, you guys have different values than me, so, and I respect that.
	I'll just say, one of my good friends started dating a corn star about two years ago, and they're like one of the happiest couples that I've ever met in my entire life.
	So I just think like things in relationships is completely up to like those two people.
	Does she do it as well?
	He doesn't do it.
	She's an active.
	Oh, she's active?
	Yeah, she's active.
	And so your friend is the male, correct?
	Yeah.
	And she does BG boy girl content.
	And girl girl, yeah.
	She does both.
	And they're still together.
	They're like so happy.
	She was already one when they got together and started dating.
	Why does she have the desire to continue being in the corn industry?
	Well, I actually think she's trying to really grow in it because she's making like bank, actually.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that's the thing.
	Yeah.
	I mean, don't get me wrong.
	I mean, I'm totally like a monogamous type of person too, but I just think that if people feel good and can be happy doing that kind of thing, I don't see anything wrong with it.
	But I do get the religious side too because I was for a very long time.
	And at that point in my life, I probably would also have been like, oh my God, why would someone do that?
	As a guy, as a guy, I mean, look, I know people have different viewpoints on a wide variety of different topics, but the idea of my girl fucking another guy, like my girlfriend, is fucking disgusting.
	I think it's gross.
	And you're valid to feel that way.
	Yeah.
	I don't know how anybody could think that that's not gross.
	If you're engaging in sex with somebody else other than your partner that you're committed to, outside of just like cheating on the other person, it's dirty.
	And I mean, even psychologically and statistically, the more people that you're sleeping with, it's also harming your relationships.
	Yeah, I just don't see, I guess, how people can see themselves being married long-term like that.
	Because for me, I feel like you're trying, again, it goes back to the fulfillment thing.
	They're trying to find fulfillment in these things that are not going to make you happy.
	And it keeps escalating.
	You said your friend, right, she does like boy, girl, girl content.
	I don't believe that she started off doing that.
	I feel like she cost donating $100.
	Yeah, thank you, Prometheus.
	Hey, Brian, are you aware of Lizzo body shaming?
	My apology for the interruption of the conversation being presented.
	Hashtag flannel bros for life.
	Yeah, thank you, Prometheus.
	Appreciate it.
	Flannel Bros for Life.
	Aware of the Lizzo body shaming content.
	You didn't hear this?
	Lizzo body shamed her backup dancers and also forced them to eat bananas off of sex workers and everything.
	Let's keep it tame here.
	Yeah, I heard the story, but is it she body shamed?
	Yeah, she said that they were like too overweight, her backup dancers, which is so funny, the irony of that.
	I think I saw something about that.
	I'm not sure how it's not particularly related to dating, though.
	I have a question.
	What's up with Lizzo?
	I feel like, because I've watched this podcast a few times, why does Lizzo, like, why is she like the one overweight woman that gets brought up?
	Like, what about it, Devil or like the rest of it?
	I mean, we don't really bring up Lizzo.
	I don't know.
	I feel like she gets fought up a lot.
	No, I think we've maybe brought her up like three or four podcasts.
	Just all the ones I watched.
	She's also the one that I feel like that's like very puts herself out there.
	Sorry.
	Puts herself out there a lot.
	So I feel like that's probably what I also want.
	I think she glorifies her obesity.
	Yeah.
	I think that's where it becomes a problem for people.
	I think the context where we have brought Lizzo up is...
	Is Lizzo a 10.
	Yeah, so like when we do, like, what do you rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10?
	People are like, oh, everyone's a 10.
	I'm like, is Lizzo a 10?
	I think we should get the bodybuilding girls to win on this one.
	What do you guys think?
	I was thinking you were going to do that.
	We have a pretty similar take.
	Is it okay if I go ahead?
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	I mean, obviously, you're going to look how you look.
	and it's different for everybody how they got there, but the body positivity movement is definitely iffy in our eyes.
	We're obviously not incredibly supportive of it.
	I think we both think that health is really important.
	And if you're actively trying to make a change, if you're, say, at an unhealthy weight, that's amazing.
	You know, kudos to you.
	But I think that the way you take care of yourself in terms of that and other stuff reflects the way you feel about yourself.
	So if I see you and you look unhealthy and you are not doing anything about it simply because you're lazy and you want to bring up body positivity as an excuse, I'm not going to have respect for you.
	I think that the body positivity movement, like she said, is an excuse to not work hard.
	Which obviously I want to acknowledge that we came from an easier starting place than someone who's like morbidly obese.
	So I have empathy for a different situation.
	But in any case.
	I think that the body positivity movement has been like hijacked by a bunch of like inclusive social justice warriors.
	And I think that like you can't tell me someone who's morbidly obese is happy with themselves.
	No.
	And I've seen it all over social media.
	Like, oh, I'm so happy I'm doing this.
	They're going to be dead by the time they're like 35 if they keep eating themselves away.
	And I think that it also sends a really bad message to like younger people who are scrolling on social media and being like, this is okay.
	I can do this.
	And it's really not at all.
	And it's really disgusting, to be honest.
	It's definitely a coping mechanism for sure.
	The lightest terms, yeah.
	Yeah, and I mean, the body positivity movement originally started with things that were out of your control.
	Like if you had, like, if you were an amputee or you had like a scar or some genetic thing.
	And I already got it.
	I already got it.
	So, but it's transformed into, let's just, it's totally healthy at any size.
	you're healthy at 400 pounds that's uh well it distorted what the meaning of healthy even is and then created this entire movement of young girls that are like well i can eat whatever i want and do whatever i want with zero consequences And then you have people that are overweight, you know, dealing with heart problems.
	I mean, heart problems are very rapidly growing in the United States.
	And, I mean, we have an entire generation of kids that are becoming obese with zero consequences.
	To be fair, there are also skinny people who, we haven't been into nutrition for that long, so obviously at one point this was me.
	But there's skinny people who are eating whatever they want.
	And even though they might look healthy, you're not.
	So not only is it physical appearance, but even if you look good, you should be focusing on your nutrition.
	True though.
	I totally agree.
	No, I used to weigh, and you don't believe me because you guys don't know me, but like three years ago, I weighed under 100 pounds.
	It was really hard for me to put on weight.
	And then all of a sudden, I just gained a bunch of weight, probably because I was like stripping, so I was very active.
	And then once that stopped.
	So I definitely see like the difference of being like a very skinny person to now where I'm like pushing overweight.
	And it's weird for me because it's our society like likes the overweight stuff.
	Like I get way more attention for men now that I'm a little bit bigger than I did when I was skinny.
	But I like how I was when I was skinny before.
	And I felt a lot better and my body felt better.
	So I mean, once this disability thing is over, then I'm definitely going to try to lose weight.
	Do you think that I don't know how to put it, men liking bigger girls is a niche fetish or do you think it's widespread?
	In my experience, it seems kind of widespread.
	I mean, I remember when I was super skinny, I mean, I was insecure about being skinny, and I like wanted to gain weight.
	So when I started to gain weight, I was like happy about it.
	And then now, I mean, it's so weird.
	I talk about this all the time with my friends and family.
	I'm like, I feel like, I'm going to be very frank right now.
	I feel like the least attractive I ever have in my life.
	But I get the most attention I ever have in my life.
	I ever had in my life.
	And it's especially like being disabled too.
	Smokin' pancakes donated $99.
	Como, Savabrain?
	Madison looking gorgeous as always.
	Question for the ladies.
	South Louisianian 6'5 plus 210 pounds, 80K a year, work on the water 28 days, home for 14 any takers.
	No.
	Yeah, solid man, solid man.
	I mean, isn't it a good one?
	First off, first off, well, thank you for your patronage.
	That is not how you say that in French.
	Come on.
	Okay, anyways.
	So just to recap here, he is 6'5, 210 pounds.
	He makes 80K a year.
	He says he works on the water.
	He's 28 days home for 14.
	Is he like an 80?
	I feel like that doesn't matter.
	Yeah, they're usually like away for like a month and then back for a month, that kind of thing.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Any girls who are single at the table, any takers?
	At the what's the French name for it?
	Wait, what?
	What's the French name for the Bordello?
	I'm not sure.
	At the Bordello.
	She'll take you at the Bordello.
	All right, there you go.
	That's what she's talking about.
	South Louisianian.
	6'5, 210.
	Any takers?
	Isabella, what's up?
	No, I'm good.
	He's in Louisiana.
	No, thank you.
	Sounds too humid.
	I was born there.
	6'5?
	You like the little guys?
	Yeah.
	Kind of tank.
	All right, well, we'll ask everyone's type later.
	Thank you, man.
	You don't have a type?
	No.
	Yeah, I don't have a type either.
	I'm a vibe.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	I really don't.
	I'm all over the place.
	I'm definitely just attracted to people's like, it sounds so, it sounds so ridiculous, but really, like, their personality.
	That's cap.
	It's not cap.
	I feel like it's a little bit cap because the initial reaction when you're meeting someone, you always look for like attractive.
	And then you find personality.
	Yes, but no, like, because there have been guys that I thought were so ugly.
	And then after just like spending time with them, I was like attracted to them.
	Actually, that's like an outside.
	That's what every boyfriend wants.
	Like, she used to think I was ugly, but after getting to know me, I've changed my mind.
	You would never tell them that.
	You're an alternative guy.
	It's like, yeah.
	I guess.
	I mean, don't you need the physical attraction?
	I mean, like, after spending time with somebody, you, like, get attracted to them.
	It's like an actual phenomenon.
	He doesn't look a thing like Jesus, but he talks like a gentleman.
	That's bad.
	Wait, what about like Charlie Kirk?
	Would you go for Charlie Kirk?
	Charlie's married.
	Okay, I'm sorry, Charlie.
	I didn't mean to throw you under the bus.
	We love Erica.
	We love Eric.
	I do date short guys.
	Everyone's saying, then date a short guy.
	I do date short, guys.
	What's the shortest guy you've dated?
	5'2.
	I'll totally do it.
	Well, okay.
	I was 5'3 at the time, but I'm 5'5 now.
	How does that happen?
	I was in eighth grade.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, okay.
	But everyone made fun of him for him being shorter than me.
	I loved him for like three years.
	If he's watching this, hi.
	Did the height go up over those three years?
	No, he did stay.
	Oh, to this day.
	Wow.
	I don't think you can consider an eighth grade.
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	That doesn't count.
	I don't know if he was 5'2.
	Well, how tall were you?
	Wait, I was 5'2 ⁇ .
	Wait, so then he was like 13, 14.
	14, yeah.
	So like, so he probably grew.
	But he grew up.
	Okay, no, because we actually talked since from like 14 to like 16.
	And throughout your relationship, did he stay 5'2 and you grew?
	Yes.
	Bro, it's a 8th grade relationship.
	And who cares?
	All right.
	Like, I'm like, I'm okay with short guys.
	Yo, testing tolerance.
	Thank you, man.
	Never, ever, ever spend money on women online, including drop a like.
	If you do, we will find you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Appreciate it there.
	Guys, get your soup chats in if you'd like.
	We have, I think we did that one.
	We have Puffy Vegas.
	Okay, he's doing a rating.
	Actually, fuck, hold on, no.
	We'll do that one later, I guess.
	Mr. Cappadocia, ladies, have any of you had work done?
	Boob job, lip filler?
	If so, what?
	Also, Isabella, are you cold or are they pierced?
	Okay.
	Well, to answer your question, I've never had any work done.
	I think do you want to answer his other question too?
	I'm cold.
	Is it chilly in there?
	No.
	It's warm.
	You should get your thyroid checks, man.
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	So we'll go around the table.
	Has anybody had any work done?
	So lip filler, lipo, BBL.
	I have a little bit of lip filler.
	That's it?
	Okay.
	My boobs are done.
	Okay.
	I used to have a lot of work done.
	And you know what?
	Recently, I'm just kind of giving it up for now.
	It becomes an addiction, kind of.
	At least for me, it did.
	And I just remember people were starting to call me out on it, like just people at the dance club.
	And people were like, oh, did you get your cheeks filled?
	Like a guy would say that to me as I was dancing with them.
	I'm like, you know what?
	And I was broke.
	Like I would spend all my money on this outer body.
	And I didn't have any money, but I was like, oh, I look good, but I didn't feel good.
	Did you feel like it was like a little degrading in a way when a guy would ask you that?
	I did.
	I felt embarrassed because I felt embarrassed because I was like, I really overdid this.
	I was like, I don't need to, you know, now I'm all natural.
	Wait, so you used to have a lot.
	What did you have?
	I had temple fillers done.
	I had my lips done.
	When I was in Playboy, I just really went hog wild.
	I just was like, I want to look the big, the best.
	And I felt like this spirit of like, I got to do and look and achieve.
	Not a BBL, but I, no, no, no boobs, but I did a lot of face work and I did get my teeth done.
	I just was, I'm happy about that.
	I'm happy about that, but I did have a ton of face work done.
	I would, I definitely would say it was, it was a, it was a lot and it was more than I had.
	But I was like, you know what?
	I'm going organic right now.
	That's good.
	Yeah.
	Well, you look beautiful.
	Thank you.
	You too.
	Okay.
	I have not had any work done.
	Nothing?
	Nothing.
	Zilch.
	Zilch.
	Zero.
	Zero.
	Nothing.
	Why are you always questioning me?
	Do you have something to ask?
	Somebody to say?
	Nothing?
	Nothing.
	Okay.
	I have never had anything done and I hope to keep it that way.
	No work done.
	But everyone always thinks I have lip fillers.
	And that's the number one light.
	People tweet, they're like, do you have lip fillers?
	No fillers.
	Got that nasty.
	Do you see your side profile?
	Yeah, those look normal.
	Yeah, they look normal.
	My overline.
	No fillers.
	Okay.
	Isabella.
	No work done.
	Zip?
	Zip?
	No, no work done.
	Okay.
	What do I look like I've had done, Brian?
	No, I'm not saying that.
	I just got a question.
	I do get the lip filler one a lot, too.
	I feel like that's a common one, or Botox or something like that.
	Okay.
	No.
	Really?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, no, I can see that they're real, but I was wondering if anyone's ever asked you.
	Because they're really nice.
	They're really nice.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Just a normal compliment, I promise.
	Do you go both ways?
	Yeah, but that's not what it was.
	I promise that's not what it was.
	Isabella, do you, have you ever dated a woman?
	No.
	No, I would not.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I would not.
	All right.
	I'll take my compliment, though.
	We have Conan here.
	Question for Brian in the panel.
	Does this is a little tee?
	Does jab status affect your interest in a potential partner?
	Honestly, let's not talk about the actual thing, but you can say yes or no on that, I guess.
	No.
	What is that?
	I don't mean that.
	The jab.
	Yeah.
	The most recent jab.
	The jab.
	The jab.
	You need to, like, girl.
	Oh.
	Oh, okay, okay, okay.
	Oh, does it?
	There was recently a global something.
	Oh, and people as a measure to be able to support.
	feel like no i feel like simply because no because i mean i guess it depends I do feel like a lot of people were really put in bad positions, honestly.
	And I feel like I'm not going to hold that against a future partner who checks off all the boxes because he was put in a position where, you know, he potentially was going to lose his job or his ability to support.
	I know my own college dropped me from all eight of my classes.
	I had religious exemptions, medical exemptions, and they were not letting me attend back.
	And I basically had a year and a half hold off with my university.
	And so, like, I know how I felt, and that was just like simply college.
	I can't imagine somebody in a higher position.
	I don't really know what that means.
	I refuse.
	I will not date somebody or marry someone who's got it because of future fertility questions I have.
	Okay.
	I don't think for me it matters too much.
	Sure.
	Me too.
	Meaning doesn't matter.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	I don't know what that means.
	I'm still lost.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, we can just skip me.
	Really?
	Yes.
	The jab?
	Come on, Matt.
	Think like two years back.
	Help me out, Nick.
	Oh, like, okay.
	All right, we have Puffy Vegas here.
	Can I come on you show on you show?
	You'll have to work on the grammar a little bit before you come on.
	Can I come on you show?
	Puffy, we are very, very selective with some of the guests we invite on, but you can send us an Instagram message and we can potentially consider it.
	Thank you, man.
	We're going to go.
	Actually, I'll wait for this one.
	hold on one sec.
	We have, uh, let me see what I had here.
	one sec guys um i had wait Type.
	You can go around the table on this while we wait for her to come back.
	What's your type, Madison?
	We'll go around this way.
	I'm not going to say I don't have a type because I feel like I definitely do with the men that I've been with throughout my life.
	Typically white men, height, preference, probably tall, but obviously not really.
	Like I, my last boyfriend was 5'6.
	But yeah.
	Dark features.
	I guess in terms of like looks, probably not, but more so like values and like someone who's like super masculine.
	Okay, so values, I assume like has to be Christian.
	Christian, conservative values, yeah.
	Okay.
	Practicing Christian, conservative.
	Same answer to the last question.
	Physical looks, I feel like vary, but 100%, like they have to be a strong masculine man who wants to lead the household.
	I want to be a wife.
	And I mean, very traditional, traditional values.
	Wait, just a question for you two.
	You both are Christian, correct?
	Yes.
	Are you guys, when it comes to, you know, getting married, are you guys waiting until marriage to have sex?
	Yes.
	I will say I've done it in the past, but currently waiting for marriage and it's been about two years.
	Same with you?
	Same thing, yeah.
	Okay, so in the past...
	I was previously engaged, so yeah.
	Okay.
	I feel like the effort was done.
	Got it.
	Smoke and pancakes donated $99.
	Brian Como Savu is Cajun French for how's it going?
	I worked hard to blow my money on a bordello.
	I'd rather spend that on race car parts and the gym.
	Thanks, but no thanks.
	Okay, there you have it.
	This is Smoke and Pancakes.
	I think he's the one who is 6'5, 210 pounds, makes 80k something a year.
	In his home 20s.
	What kind of cars do you like?
	I like Mustangs.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm a Mustang girl.
	All right.
	Oh.
	Seven Deadly Sins donated $100.
	$777 Decillion, $777.7.
	$770, $7 Octillian, $770, 7 Septillion, $777 Sextillion.
	777 Quintillion.
	Carly, name 10 books for 7 books.
	Go.
	7 million, 777.
	Seven books.
	Song of Achilles Pirates.
	777,777,777.
	Name 7 books.
	Thank you.
	Seven Deadly Sins.
	Oh, you want me to keep going?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What you got for us?
	Quick.
	I'm scared.
	I don't know.
	You got this.
	Keep going.
	You got it.
	Whatever.
	I'm thinking, right?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Movies are also books.
	Movies are some movies also have books.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	I read Harry Potter.
	I read The Hunger Games.
	I read Divergent.
	I have book-related tattoos.
	I don't know.
	I can't think of anything.
	You have book-related.
	Should we do a tattoo check on hands-on?
	Okay.
	Well, like, your arms are visible.
	My arms are visible.
	Your arms are invisible?
	My arms are visible.
	I don't know the print, like another double buyer.
	I mean, they're pretty visible.
	I can do a little tattoo tour if you'd like.
	I mean, these are the only ones that are visible, but I have a ton on my back and my legs, too.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What precipitated getting all the tattoos?
	Okay, so.
	Do you like the art?
	When I was like eight years old, I would take the inked magazines out of my mailbox at home and I would like hang.
	Like, I thought the girls were so pretty.
	Like, I just, I love the look, to be honest.
	I've always known I was going to be fully covered at some point.
	Fully covered.
	Much to my parents' dismay.
	Much to your parents' dismay.
	Are there any areas of your body you won't tattoo, like your neck or face?
	I will not touch my face.
	I originally said I wouldn't touch my fingers or hands, but now that I'm hopefully long-term in a job that doesn't require me to be super, super professional, I do have a little teeny tiny finger tattoo.
	I won't touch any private areas.
	I'm trying to make it as I understand that in everybody's eyes it's going to be a little bit skanky, but I'm trying to be as clean as possible, I guess.
	Yeah, like in the classiest way possible, almost.
	Even though my tattoos, I promise most of them mean something, even though they're like artistic for sure.
	Well, it's good.
	I mean, it's good that you don't want them anywhere private.
	I actually, I encountered a woman once who had a YOLO tattoo above her hoo-haw.
	And that made me take pause.
	Was it a girl you were getting down with?
	Is that why you saw it?
	Yeah, you saw it.
	We didn't.
	We didn't go all the way.
	But I did see it.
	You saw it.
	And I was like, hold up.
	Interesting.
	It was a turnover.
	Yeah, it was kind of a turnoff.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Okay.
	What does that mean?
	Okay.
	You got some tattoos.
	You got.
	I do.
	Sorry.
	I have Hawaiian flowers because I went to Hawaii and it was one of the best vacations of my life.
	And it was beautiful.
	So I got Hawaiian flowers.
	I got lucky because I had the medical concern happen last year.
	And I'm just, I'm lucky for that, getting out of it.
	And then, oh, okay, I got this Rosas tattoo.
	This is my family's last name, but I wasn't planning on it.
	I didn't even have the money to do it.
	It was just the tattoo artist.
	Like, I went in for a sketch just to see what it would look like.
	And he walks up to me and he said, hey, I'm going to be doing your tattoo.
	And he was a big guy.
	And he had tons of tattoos all over his face.
	And I was like, oh, I just want it.
	And he said, I just got out of prison three days ago.
	You're my first person I've ever tattooed.
	And I'm like, I was moving money in different accounts.
	I'm like, okay, I can't piss this guy off.
	Like, I have to get it.
	So I got it.
	Okay, let's do it really quick on the.
	I don't know why I decided to do this.
	Okay, go.
	I have like around almost 10.
	They're pretty minimalistic, like line work.
	That's pretty.
	But, I mean, there's the dice.
	Are you a risk taker?
	Well, a lot of them are philosophy related, so this is like a Plato reference.
	What is it?
	It's we must accept what has happened as we would the fall of dice.
	Okay, I like that.
	I like that.
	What about, is that Uranus?
	It's Saturn.
	I don't really like this one just because it blew up and it looks a little corny because it's literally just Saturn and it's something you would see like when you're 12 years old.
	But it's also a philosophy reference.
	It's Aristotle when he said the cosmos are more divine than humans.
	Okay, very cool.
	My first tattoo was on my hip, a himasa, and it means compassion for all living things in Hindu.
	And then I have return to love here, and then I have like a goddess embracing herself here, and then this one meant self-love.
	And yeah, I mean, I have like multiple.
	I have like 15 or something.
	No tattoos.
	Any tattoos?
	It's not really biblical to get tattoos.
	The only tattoo I would get would be in Jerusalem.
	It would be a cross at the oldest tattoo shop in the world called Razook.
	Ooh.
	It's the only place I would get a camera.
	Oh, and there too.
	I would get a cross.
	I would get one of the original crosses probably on my wrist area.
	I was there last year when I got baptized in the Jordan River and I got like a necklace and I have my ring that I always wear.
	I don't take my ring off.
	So this is like my commitment to God.
	But the only tattoo I would ever get would be that.
	That's cool.
	That's cool.
	Madison, you got a couple, right?
	Yeah, I have two butterflies on my wrist because my family believes in like reincarnation.
	So it's like in representation of my mom and my younger brother.
	Have my mom's birth flower down my back, her birth year, angel wings, and then I have my dad's birth year right here, and then my mom's birthday on my rib.
	Okay, got it.
	We have a message here from Real Cam Higby.
	Will you marry me, Isabella?
	Hi, Cam.
	You can or can't?
	Can't.
	Well, I said hi, Cam.
	Oh, hi, Cam.
	Okay.
	We'll talk about it later.
	All right.
	Wait, you were married before?
	No, I was engaged.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, I was engaged.
	All right.
	Marriage proposal.
	Wait, here.
	I will propose to you on behalf of Cam Higby.
	No.
	He actually sent me this ring.
	It's not me proposing, but.
	Hold on.
	Oh, my God.
	It's so pretty.
	He sent me this.
	He literally sent me this to you.
	You didn't have to be in the middle of this.
	In this exact moment.
	That's really good.
	Julia, here, just at least try it on.
	Just try it all.
	If it doesn't, then.
	I got you, Cam.
	What's up?
	Does it fit?
	It's a little bit big.
	It's a little big.
	We'll readjust it.
	You get a resize.
	Okay, you get.
	I mean, you did put it on, so technically you accepted it.
	You're now engaged.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	I got you, Cam.
	And then we have Puffy Vegas here.
	What do I have to do to get on the show?
	We tried calling you last year.
	Yeah, dude, we called.
	I don't know if you checked your Instagram last show.
	I was like talking to you.
	I called you like 10 times in a row on Instagram.
	So we have a question here from Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of 1 to 10.
	We will start with you, and then we'll go around the table.
	Go ahead.
	I'd like to say 7.
	Iffy 7.
	Okay.
	I guess like a 6 or 7.
	I say a 10 because my body's done a good job this year.
	10?
	It's done a good job this year in taking care of me.
	Well, like, it's not a rating on how well your body has taken care of you.
	It's more so like your physical attractiveness.
	You know, I guess if I could work out, maybe like at eight and I could maybe just like work out a little more, that would be nice.
	I want to get back in the gym and I want arms.
	That was pretty.
	I like that.
	I like your guys's.
	Do you have any personal training?
	Do you do any personal training?
	No, I don't.
	Well, kind of.
	Do you personally?
	I just started training like my boss.
	Can we get the most muscular?
	Wait, get the what?
	Oh, it's the most muscular.
	Oh, that's a quality.
	Double by.
	Huh?
	Like, think about when they say like that you've watched like a bodybuilding show before, so I'm not in the mic.
	Kind of.
	When they turn to the front, you show like everything from the front, like a front double buy.
	It's like you're like this.
	And yeah, yeah, you do your trap pose.
	Roll your sleeves up and do your trap pose.
	Roll my, well, you can't see my.
	It's more your shoulders and stuff.
	Wait, where did this thing come from?
	Why am I constantly flexing?
	Like your muscles, but you can't answer them.
	I can't really see.
	Okay, well.
	Well, just because she's looking to work out.
	Oh, oh, oh.
	Hit you up.
	Do it.
	Okay.
	I didn't go.
	I refuse to rate myself.
	Why?
	Because I feel like I don't have, I don't really know how to perceive myself, to be honest.
	But I'll just say I like to carry confidence, but I also criticize myself a lot.
	Not in like an unhealthy way, but I think everyone understands what I mean.
	What about you?
	So I've watched a few of your like shows here, at least 10, and I realized that whenever someone says 10, they get roasted.
	But then I told Matt that I was not going to say 10, and he said, what?
	So I'm just saying 10.
	Yeah.
	Wow, that was a lot of backstory.
	I would say a solid seven.
	Solid seven.
	I would say solid seven.
	Eight.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, he says ask everyone.
	I give myself six.
	Why?
	Just a six.
	Hey.
	No.
	I'd say I'm a six, you know.
	No.
	All right.
	Well, thank you.
	It means the world coming from here.
	Yeah, so, you know, let's, you know.
	Okay.
	I think I'd like at least a seven or eight.
	What, me?
	You don't got to gas me up.
	It's okay.
	All right.
	Someone was lowballing you the last episode.
	Oh, the yeah.
	I was like, wow, what?
	I was just like, I'm a six, but I think you're a little cuter than you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Actually, it's unfortunate.
	I was going to properly rebuke her, but some TTS, some super chats came in, and it slipped my mind.
	But no.
	I know.
	I was also like, what?
	Did you go?
	Did you go?
	Yeah, I said eight.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	We have Tommy Bythe.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate the super chat.
	Appreciate your patronage.
	Brian, appreciate all the work you're doing here and bringing awareness to modern dating issues.
	Keep up the great work.
	We need to, it's been a little tame tonight.
	We need to get into it, guys.
	We need to get into it, okay?
	I feel like the Adam 22 thing was kind of getting into it a bit.
	Was it?
	Was it really spicy now?
	A little bit.
	It's always high fight between us.
	A little bit spicy there.
	Well, you know what?
	I think I might have something here that might get us going a little bit.
	But we had Puffy Vegas.
	He wanted to give his rating, so he says the girls are 767 7.5, 777.5, 7.5.
	I'm not sure which direction, but probably the, yeah.
	I've dated five separate women who are married to famous men.
	They were, excuse me, they were all divorced at the time I met them.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Puffy Vegas.
	Appreciate it.
	And guys, if you want, get your chats in.
	Okay, so, Kat, you, in your pre-show messages to us, you had indicated, sorry, I'm getting this pulled up, that you're not in favor of hookup culture, is that correct?
	Hookup culture sucks, is what you said.
	I did say that, yeah.
	Okay.
	You also said, though, that you think body count is irrelevant, correct?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	And in addition to that, you also said men are weird for wanting young virgins.
	Correct.
	Are men weird for wanting virgins?
	No, I think specifically like young virgins.
	I think when it comes to body count, it's like if you, you know, you have like certain values.
	Sorry, I just wanted to.
	Matthew McCarthy donated $99.
	You're all tense.
	I'm biased Toso.
	My boobala is a 15.
	Brian, have some confidence, bro.
	You're a 10.
	Come to Hard Summer Festival this weekend.
	I promise you won't regret it and will have the best time of your life.
	True, Brian.
	Nice.
	Come party it off.
	Are you going?
	We're going to Hard Summer.
	I'm really excited.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	What is Hard Summer?
	Is that like a music festival?
	It's like the music festival.
	Most people in downtown LA.
	I don't really.
	I don't.
	Do you like rock at all?
	Don't worry, it's some drunk college kids.
	I do like rock.
	I don't really.
	I don't like to.
	Honestly, I'm pretty introverted, so I don't like large gatherings of people.
	I don't really like partying either.
	I don't know bars or clubs or any of that shit.
	Yeah, same.
	Just festival solution.
	I think a music festival is a little different, but it's still kind of just within the realm of, I don't know, it's just like way too overstimulating for me.
	Yeah, that's how most of my girlfriends feel, so I can't, me and Matt just come.
	Wait, I have a question.
	So if you think it's, I do think body count is important.
	I think it's, I do think, statistically it's important because the more bodies that a person has, both male and female, the higher the divorce rate is and the more unhappy that you're going to be.
	But so you said it was weird for like men to want like young virgins.
	I really don't think that there are like old virgins around.
	But also then, is it weird that like a 50-year-old wanted something with you that was like intimate?
	Oh, with me as a 26-year-old?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that would be weird.
	But you said you did.
	I did, yeah, and that was weird.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that was weird.
	Weird.
	Weird for you or for him?
	Weird on his part.
	I mean, you know, I have.
	Well, where's the accountability?
	I mean, you were 26, right?
	I was 21 at the time.
	Okay.
	Adult?
	Yeah, I was an adult.
	No, I mean, no, no, I'm not saying that, oh my God, that I was groomed or something.
	But like, I mean, I was just trying to have a good time.
	I was like, oh, my God, he has a lot of money.
	But like, I feel like the weird part stands on him.
	I mean, I was, I was just there.
	Do you think you were re-sorry?
	No, no, no, you're fine.
	Go ahead.
	Do you think that that's reinforcing his behavior, though?
	In what sense?
	I just feel like even if you think it's wrong and you still participate in it, that's kind of justifying it.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, I'm not saying that he would, okay.
	It's kind of enabling.
	I'm not saying that he's wrong.
	It's just weird.
	There's a difference between something being inherently wrong and something that is a little weird.
	He never, and honestly, we like dated, but it wasn't like super serious.
	Like we're not going to get, we're never going to get married or anything.
	It was very much casual.
	But I think it's weird for, and also I wasn't a 21-year-old who was like a virgin or anything.
	I think it's weird for men who are, you know, older who want to marry and kind of, in my opinion, groom young women, especially if they're 18, 19, who like haven't had sex yet.
	Or honestly, even any woman who hasn't had sex yet, if you're an experienced man.
	I think that's very weird.
	That's what I agree with.
	Because I feel like it's, but you said like it's weird for men to want like young virgins.
	I feel like there's a big difference between like a 50 year old man wanting like an 18 year old virgin and like you know a 30 year old or a 27 year old wanting like a virgin.
	I agree.
	Or a good girl.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	I completely agree with you.
	I also, can I just say I also think that like from my conversations that I've had, I always find that it is girls typically with very high body counts that tend to believe that body counts do not matter.
	And that's my opinion.
	Yeah, no, definitely.
	I mean, I also feel like women with low body counts kind of want like a little like reward for like not doing that, which is great.
	Like, I mean, good for you.
	But yeah, it's, that's, I could say the same thing.
	Well, I feel like that like that like women with low body counts feel like they're better than women than with high county.
	I don't think it's a better thing.
	I think it's just like a thing.
	Like, I think it should be acknowledged that in like a world where it's like everyone's hooking up with each other and that's the easiest thing to do and to not be promiscuous, I do think that in and of itself is something that's like recognizable.
	I think it's unfair to a lot of women.
	I mean, I'm personally, I'm going to keep myself out of this because I personally feel that it's unfair.
	And I think somebody was on here.
	I watched an episode a couple days ago.
	It was somebody's husband, Billy, Billy Something's husband.
	He mentioned how it's kind of unfair to blame women these days for having a higher body count because we were kind of told that, oh, it's great.
	It's okay.
	And then all of a sudden, like, I want to say, like, I never heard about body count at all.
	You know, after high school, you know, I'm 26 now.
	And then now that I'm 26, like last year, I started hearing about it again.
	And like, it's kind of weird because I feel like it didn't matter.
	Also, I also find it to be kind of juvenile.
	I mean, if a guy asked me my body count, I would be like, How old are you?
	Like, it should not matter.
	It's fine.
	Well, if he wanted a serious relationship with you and wanted a marriage with you, I mean, statistically, the marriage success rate goes down the toilet, and women are 80%, 80% of marriages, or 50% of marriages in the United States end in divorce, and 80% of those are initiated by women, which is directly correlated to if you have slept with more people and you have more bodies on your record, you're more likely to get a divorce.
	So, I don't think it's unfair for a man to ask, hey, how many men have you been with in the past?
	Because that's going to impact him in his future, too.
	And I also think there's a difference between like some random person asking you a body count and someone who genuinely wants to have a relationship with you and be intimate with you.
	I think that body count is important to the person that you're with and being intimate with.
	I think that's fair.
	I mean, I, like I said, I have no issue with people like having issue with body counts, but only if their body count is also like low.
	Like, I just don't like how men will come on here or like any other podcast or just vocalize how they are allowed to have sex with 300, 400 women, but then expect to be with a woman with one or two.
	Oh, well, no, I mean, that's like, yeah, hold on, just a second.
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	I sort of agree as I watched how the relationship between Little Ed and Liz Woods' relationship is a mess, but that's exaggerated.
	TV: I've been with someone with a high body count and the one with a lower one.
	The lower one showed sympathy unlike the other.
	Thank you, Prometheus.
	Appreciate it.
	He's been with someone with a high in the.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Continue with your point.
	I also wanted to add that I feel like it's less about how many people you slept with.
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	You think it's less about?
	It's less about how many people you slept with and more about your experience with relationships.
	Like, I feel like one bad relationship will truly taint a man or woman for their future ones.
	I think it's less about casual sex.
	And I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, I've seen the studies and whatnot.
	I think that's one study.
	I don't know if there's been multiple.
	So I don't have a lot to comment on the ones that.
	Oh, closer.
	Do you agree that psychologically, though, the more people that women sleep with, it changes the chemicals in your brain to where you're enabled to have a longer-term relationship with a man?
	That's like an idea.
	No, I mean, look, I personally don't have issues with relationships at all or falling in love.
	The one thing that did change me personally was like this one bad experience that I had with a man.
	And that's what I feel like is more detrimental as opposed to sleeping with a bunch of people.
	I don't think that it really matters that much.
	You mentioned that, well, having specifically one bad toxic relationship may have more of a negative impact than having a high body count.
	But it can be both.
	I mean, certainly, yes, if you have one singular bad relationship, that could potentially have a negative impact on your future relationships.
	But certainly if you've had like a long string of transient sexual partners, you know, you've had 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 one-night stands or short-term whatever.
	That has a negative impact too.
	I think it kind of depends on, like, especially when it comes to women.
	So when I was in high school, a lot of like my friends just would have sex with guys because they didn't know how to say no.
	And that, I think that can be traumatic and that can change you.
	But I mean, are we just like doubting like women's sexuality?
	Like some women are just looking at it.
	I think there's a difference between one.
	There's a difference though between doubting a woman's sexuality and then borderline being like it's okay to sleep with whoever you think you want to or who you're attracted to at the time.
	And like Morgan said, like statistically it's been proven that like women are getting divorces literally because of their body counts, quite literally.
	I think it does make commitment harder.
	And I don't believe women who have high body counts feel good about themselves.
	I don't know how someone can feel like good about themselves having so many.
	And I'm not attacking you personally.
	I'm just saying, like, in general, like, I don't know how I could feel good about myself having, like, so many bodies to the point where, like, I've lost track.
	Well, before I have you respond, you wanted to come in.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to say, you can be horny and control your desires.
	Yeah.
	That's not really an excuse at all.
	How come we don't expect that for men though?
	I do.
	I don't like when men have a high body count.
	I think that there's a difference between men and women.
	I do believe that sometimes men need to get it out of their system, but I'm not saying that men should be able to sleep with 50 plus women because they're men.
	And I think that's where people get confused too.
	Even with conservatism, oh, men need to get out of their systems.
	They can sleep with whoever.
	No, that's disgusting to me too.
	Why would I, if my body count is so low or I've like worked hard to like preserve myself for my husband, why would I want to marry someone who has 40 bodies, 50 bodies, 60 bodies?
	But also, I want to mention that that study that you're referencing, it talks about people who have, like, there's a big difference when it comes to divorce, when it comes to people who have had more than one body count.
	And beyond that, and it says the same for men and women.
	It's more for young people.
	But also, yeah, if you have more experience, like naturally, like you're going to not accept the lease.
	And yeah, if you've only slept with one person your entire life, like you're not going to have the experience or maybe even like the confidence to want to leave that person.
	Well, I don't think it's an experience.
	And I think divorce is fine, by the way.
	I don't know.
	You think divorce is fine?
	100%.
	Even if there's kids involved, you think divorce is fine?
	Yes, I'm a child of divorce, and I'm glad my parents got divorced.
	And you think that your life spanned out the way that you wanted to?
	Because my parents fought all the time when I was a kid.
	And actually, I feel like their fighting almost was more detrimental than them getting divorced.
	I mean, I feel like in situations like that, it's a little bit different, right?
	Where there's like an abusive situation.
	No, no, it was not abusive, like not physical.
	Emotionally abusive, yelling, right?
	Just a lot of things.
	Yeah, so I would feel like I'd consider that like under the guise of like abuse.
	But also too, like that going, like the marriage thing, like a lot of people, like we've, in America, we've had 53 years of no-fault divorces.
	People have been able to get divorces for whatever reason they feel like.
	And I feel like that has been against their demise where people get marriages.
	And Adam 22 is the perfect example.
	I think it's an absolute mockery of marriage and what it should be.
	Or even you sitting here single or whatever, like not married, like being okay with like divorce.
	Like I guess I just can't like wrap my mind around that.
	I feel like that's detrimental to like you, your husband, your future kids.
	I feel like it's very unfair to your future children, especially if they are involved.
	I think it depends on the scenario, but I don't, what I don't, if it was like a divorce where there was just, it was detrimenting the whole family and everybody went to counseling, I do believe you should at least go to some sort of counseling.
	You got to try to make it work.
	You can't just be like, oh, I'm splitting.
	But I do feel serial remarriers, they need to fix themselves.
	And it's like, if you see yourself getting divorced, get married, start checking why you're either attracting these types of people or why.
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	need like a uh some sort of cipher something to decipher uh this this rule i think commenting on your outfit i mean i i'm not i'm just trying to decipher this for you oh we have another one is called guy under score in on this call canada donated 99 body count is a dumb conversation because it's not zero sum If guys want women with lower body counts, they should stop increasing them.
	That is another thing I want to talk about.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, I mean, on that topic, though, what I would say is there's a smaller proportion of men that are supposedly responsible for increasing women's body counts.
	But it's kind of like the OnlyFans thing, too.
	Like, a lot of men will be like, oh, this is so bad and it's so horrible.
	But who's creating the supply?
	I mean, who's creating the demand?
	And then who's meeting the supply?
	Like, do I know women who do OnlyFans and like making six figures, do I necessarily blame them?
	No.
	You know, but the same men that like, yeah, I mean, I think that there's definitely a lot of people.
	I'm so with you.
	Men should not be spending money on OnlyFans.
	Yeah, because the men are instigating the women to continue doing it, but then if the men are just like, well, I don't want to marry someone who has a high body count, but then they're also instigating it.
	It's a two-way street.
	Men are also doing it as well.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Doing OF.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Yeah, there's men who do OnlyFans.
	Actually, I do fans in.
	A lot of their audience are other men as well.
	Yeah, but it's like a meme.
	I don't posting like nudes and it's just like I guess now you don't have to.
	There's like two photos of Kiki on there.
	Yeah, it's just for jokes.
	I will say my fiancé and I never talked about body count until we started watching whatever.
	Everyone was talking about it.
	Hold on.
	You're thinking $99.
	Body count is in every episode.
	I don't seem to care.
	When you really think about it, you can just lie.
	A chick could have been bred by $50.
	I wouldn't be able to judge them.
	I could just tell chicks I'm a virgin till they meet my kid.
	When someone has a high body count, I feel like you can always tell.
	There's always something that somebody has a high body count.
	Both in men and in women, yeah.
	Out of curiosity, I want to know.
	Sorry.
	I want to know what your everybody's stance is on hypothetically if a woman were to have a high body count or be promiscuous and then for lack of better words be remorseful about it.
	I think that there's a lot of women.
	Yeah, I'm just curious.
	I think that there's if that's Devon Jackson.
	I think he has $100.
	Stop blaming men for grown independent women's decisions.
	Having a high body count comes with a set of habits the average man would prefer his wife not exemplify.
	Facts.
	True.
	That's just facts.
	That's facts.
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	Facts.
	It's facts.
	Big thing.
	Thank you, Davon.
	To answer your question, I feel like there's a lot of women who were lied to.
	And like I have friends who are older who have said, like, you even said, like, body count really wasn't even talked about.
	And I think that there's a lot of women specifically in feminism who relied to say that this was empowering and that they would have time later on in their lives for like a family and that there was no need to do that in their 20s.
	And now that they, most of them, and people even I know find themselves like remorseful for their lifestyles, unmarried, no children.
	And I think that they're, I think that if they're remorseful for the lifestyle, I think that's okay as opposed to like being like proud of their lifestyle and like standing by it.
	Do you think that sex positivity is kind of like a ruse that's in the interest of men?
	I think that it definitely benefits men and that's why like I don't understand why so much women harp on it because it's literally like you're being used and it's at your demise.
	Like it only benefits one person and it's not you.
	If sex work was truly empowering for women men would not support it.
	Exactly.
	I also think the modern feminist movement has completely lied to women to be empowered, to enable them to go into sex work, which is just a lie.
	I mean, men are the ones that are, again, supplying that.
	OnlyFans really is the biggest PIMP of it all, taking 20% of every single woman's money that they're making on this account by posting nude images of themselves under the guise of being empowering.
	And so it's just another lie that, I mean, the feminist movement has continued to sell to women on top of like even the birth control movement.
	When birth control came out, it was being able to be sexual and sleep around with people with no consequences.
	And that's when that started to come in the early times.
	That's why it was put on the market.
	You know, why aren't men having birth control?
	I'm not on birth control at all, but I think there's multiple moments in history that women have just continuously been lied to and encouraged to have a higher body count.
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	Hey, thank you, Matthew.
	The only thing body count determines is how experienced your partner is in the bedroom.
	I've hooked up with virgins and they were all ZZZZXZZ.
	Boo Balam is hands down the best sexual partner I've ever had that continues to surprise me and blow my mind ha ha.
	He's very open.
	But no, yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know.
	Thank you.
	So this is your boyfriend who has just sent a TTS to a live fiancé to live stream advertising your sexual abilities.
	I don't think hey, different strokes for different folks.
	But okay, like, okay, I mean, I'm the only guy here, but I mean, we've asked guys this question before, and this is often a common attempt at a rebuttal to the whole body count thing.
	Well, oh, well, as a guy, like, don't you want a girl who's sexually experienced?
	Isn't the sex gonna be better?
	Perhaps, but, like, there's other factors when it comes to attractiveness.
	Like, and also, like, as a guy, typically, if you know how to lead in the bedroom, you can take a girl who's had sex and had great sex with her.
	I'll finish after this.
	Thank you, Prometheus.
	People with high body counts are desensitized to understand relationships and if they can honor it or respect it.
	Word?
	Thank you, Prometheus.
	True.
	Yeah, this idea, like, also, like, a woman who's been in one long-term relationship, you could argue that she's maybe had sex more often with that with that one person versus a girl.
	Like, let's say a girl has had sex with one guy a thousand times versus a girl who's had sex with a hundred guys one time each.
	I mean, I'm going to probably think like the girl who was in the relationship could like probably is going to be better.
	In any case, as a guy, if you know how to lead in the bedroom, like you can take a girl who's never had sex before and have great sex with her.
	Well, I don't think that's something that's special.
	Go ahead.
	I kind of want to.
	Oh.
	Oh, I thought you were addressing what I was saying.
	Oh, I actually, yeah.
	So I have two thoughts at once.
	So, yeah, but you're kind of talking about it from the guy's perspective.
	Like, yeah, maybe you can enjoy it, but like, is she going to enjoy it?
	And, like, is she going to be comfortable?
	Because, I mean, I don't like when I was having sorry.
	No, I mean, when I was first having sex, like, I know that it wasn't as comfortable for me.
	And I feel like both partners.
	Brian, here's $100 to refund the virtue signaling simply tried to blame men for a woman's promiscuity.
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	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Look, I think, yeah, who was it who did that, anyways?
	Oh, let me actually, really quick, let me get this.
	We had Verbose here.
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	Hey, Brian, would you ever have Jensen on the show?
	Love the Podman.
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	It's about to trigger.
	Yes, I would have Jensen on the show.
	I think, I don't know if he's, I used to film some videos with this kid named Jensen.
	We like did, this was back in the prank video days.
	So, yeah, I'd be down to have him on.
	Thank you, Alvin Sam.
	Was it another TTS that came through that was trying to minimize?
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	I might have lost.
	I'm so sorry.
	That was a lot for me.
	kind of lost where i was at so we were we were talking about body count and i was talking about like how a woman if a man can lead then oh no you're talking about like well is it well you're viewing it from the man's perspective but like as a girl when i was a virgin something it wasn't sexual experience sexual experience right um I mean, I feel like I totally lost my point.
	That was.
	What you're saying, well, is it going to be good for the girl?
	Yeah, basically.
	But doesn't, you have to start somewhere.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Like, everyone has to have their first time.
	Are you talking if there's like pain?
	No, not even just pain, but I feel like when actually, you know what?
	I'm not going to speak on anyone's preferences, but I feel like men are.
	You can.
	You can.
	Well, I don't want to assume, but actually, I'm assuming.
	I actually think that some men.
	You can assume.
	Okay, so I think some men actually do like when women are like, are almost like not into it.
	They only care about how they feel.
	And I feel like it almost kind of like, because if they like, I don't know how to explain.
	Okay, and now I'm losing my point of flight.
	Wait, you think that's a good idea?
	I have too much fun.
	We're in like a receiving.
	Let me try the receiving mode, maybe?
	You think men are into it when women, what?
	Like, almost like don't know what's going on sometimes.
	Wait, straight into the mic please.
	Don't know what's going on.
	Yeah, I feel like sometimes men are like into like just like, oh, like, I guess this is what we're going to do.
	Like, you know, they want just like a girl who's going to go with whatever.
	So I guess, yeah, I agree with you that if a man can lead, it might be good for him.
	But sometimes like it could be like a dominant, dominant mood?
	Dominant submissive woman.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think that's kind of what I'm getting at.
	I got kind of sidetracked.
	I'm like word vomiting a little bit.
	I think originally you were saying that you were more concerned that if a woman was just starting out having sex, that it wouldn't be as enjoyable for her.
	But I think in the scenario we're describing, hopefully, because we were talking about virginity, right?
	Hopefully it's with somebody she loves and has been with, which I think would inherently make it a good experience, even if it's not the greatest sex.
	In a random situation where, let's say you're a virgin and you're losing it to a complete, total stranger, like a random hookup, like that's more concerning.
	I can see why that wouldn't be good.
	That sounds horrible.
	Yeah, that sounds terrible.
	What would be horrible?
	Like losing your virginity to someone that is like a random hookup.
	Don't you think that it's kind of been normalized now, though, that people to lose it young, just like get it over with, get it out of your system, women sleep around, like get that sexual experience, which now men, when dating, I don't think men ever desire a woman who's sexually experienced.
	Because like Brian said, like you can learn that in marriage.
	That's not true.
	You're so wrong on that.
	I'm saying there's a barrier.
	That's true.
	There's the barrier.
	Can I say something?
	No.
	Nick, help me.
	Can I say something?
	Hold on, Nick.
	Does Nick agree?
	Can I say that also?
	It depends on the man.
	I'm sorry.
	Some men want an experience, some men want experience.
	Like, you can't say that.
	That's cap.
	But I know.
	I cannot say you want any man.
	I think most men seek experience, sexually experienced women for hookups and they seek non-sexually experienced women for relationships.
	Herronius.
	Erroneous.
	See, I don't think they care for hookups.
	For hookups, they'll hook up with anybody whether you're experiencing that.
	Because if they're doing it in marriage, if they're doing it once and then they're not talking to her again, they might as well have an experienced woman.
	Well, I think you're sort of onto something.
	I would say that for one-night stands, a guy is hold that thought.
	Actually, oh, I'll have to trigger it again.
	Okay, okay.
	So a man is for a one-night stand or a casual hookup, he's more willing to be with a woman who is, say, more sexually experienced.
	But I think even in, at least for me, I think a lot of other guys here, even for a one-night stand, if given the option, a guy would much prefer going with a girl who's had like slept with one other guy versus a girl who slept with 50.
	Absolutely.
	Even for a one-night stand, give me a virgin.
	Fuck it.
	Why not?
	That's like a lot of a lot of, I feel like age matters in this point.
	A lot of older, more mature men don't want like women with the high body count, but say younger men, like they don't really care.
	Yeah.
	I have to say that.
	Well, if a guy, but okay, I think the they can.
	I think for long-term relationshipship, excuse me, for long-term relationships, they do care.
	But like if they're just trying to have a hookup, it's not so much part of the calculus.
	But at a younger age now, like hookups lead to long-term relationships.
	You know what I'm saying?
	See, but isn't that such a backwards dating system?
	Like why is it allowing to be that basis of the beginning of a relationship?
	Go ahead.
	Technically, in the brain, there's three brain systems involved with a relationship.
	And it's connection, it's desire, and it's romantic love.
	And it can come in any order, and you can still be in love and have a successful relationship.
	But I do understand what you're saying.
	Yeah, well, I think that like most, I would say a lot of relationships, it's not like, let's date for three months, not hook up, get it, and then have sex.
	I think I would say most relationships start, whether you think it's right or wrong.
	I would say most relationships start.
	People will hook up relatively soon, continue hooking up, and then they'll find themselves, oh, we like each other.
	Okay, we're in a relationship.
	Now, does that, is that necessary, you know, could that be, excuse me, I'm getting tongue-tied here.
	Does that inevitably lead to a lot of people casually hooking up and then not going anywhere and then they're ramping up their body count?
	Yes.
	Is it ideal?
	Probably not, but is that kind of the meta?
	I would say, yeah, that's how most relationships, I think most relationships start.
	It's people just, they'll hook up, continue hooking up.
	Oh, we like each other, boyfriend, girlfriend, blah, blah, blah.
	Or it's just perpetual.
	Right, but then how many people are you going to hook up with until you find the one that you're going to date?
	Because then you're just continuing to feed into hookup culture and then you're continuing to make your body count higher and then continuing to play into men's desires.
	I totally agree with you.
	I just am saying that it is possible for a couple that has had sexual experiences with each other to fall in love later.
	That is a possibility.
	I agree.
	And actually, I would say most of my long-term relationships, like I've had a five-year relationship, two-year relationship, one-year relationship, some like nine months, six months, whatever.
	All of my long-term relationships that were otherwise good relationships, we hooked up the first, second, or third date.
	Like, pretty quickly.
	So, do you think the I think what's more concerning, and I don't know if this is what you meant, is the circumstance in which you met.
	I feel like if you first of all, are the type of person to go on many casual hookups with another person who's the type of person to go on many casual hookups?
	It's possible, obviously, but I don't know how successful she met.
	Oh, yeah, she's a flight right now.
	I was wondering.
	Yeah, a flight.
	Yeah, kind of snuck out of here, didn't she?
	Turn on mic number three.
	Madison, you can actually scoot over a little bit if you'd like.
	We're just going to get readjusted here.
	Who was, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you there.
	Don't worry.
	I was just saying that I think what's more concerning is the circumstance in which they met, not necessarily that it was first a hookup.
	Does that make sense?
	So, like, if they were to meet on like Instagram or meeting at a bar, meeting in class, like the circumstance, how they met two, that led to that?
	I think that, like, let's say two people meet because it's a one-night stand.
	I think what's less promising about the relationship is that it's two people who are likely to have a one-night stand.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think if it's like a very rare occasion, neither of you do that often, it just so happens, then it's a pretty high chance of it being successful.
	Because, like she said, it's out of order.
	I mean, do you want to give an example?
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	Effective man nor rich man's three breed.
	My ammo budget gone now.
	Big Satch.
	OFF WOUSO.
	So true.
	Me too.
	I have no idea what he was saying.
	Big sage.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Sorry, Brian.
	My ammo budget gone.
	Well, hey, Valdiv, thank you for the TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Unfortunately, yeah, she dipped out.
	I didn't even know.
	I thought she was just going to the bathroom.
	Okay.
	So I think you were about to say something.
	Like, well, you just have an example of a successful relationship that came out of a one-night stand.
	But obviously, you don't have to share if you want.
	Well, is it really a one-night stand?
	Oh, oh, oh, oh.
	Sorry.
	I thought you were talking about me, and I was really sorry.
	No, no, no.
	Anyway, but allegedly, I've never, just so it doesn't sound like I was about to say something else, I'm a virgin and I'm waiting.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	But it's not because I'm not waiting until marriage or anything crazy like that.
	It's just I would prefer to be like in love first.
	Sure.
	But anyway.
	So my parents met in a one-night stand and they've been together for 37 years now.
	My mom moved in two weeks after.
	Oh.
	And to be fair, it was actually, I don't know if it was a rare occasion for them.
	I don't want to get into it.
	But I think my dad might be watching this, actually.
	I'm sorry.
	Yo, what's up, Dad?
	How are you doing?
	It was Wednesday, March 31st.
	It was Wednesday, March 31st.
	Oh, you know the story too.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, he sat my friends down in the morning.
	It was hilarious.
	I told everybody the story.
	Yeah, it was very interesting.
	What was the context of him telling the story to his friends?
	If you're watching this, I love you, Dad.
	But he does tend to show off a little bit in front of.
	We had gone back to my hometown for my birthday and I brought my entire friend group and it is a lot of guys in my friend group and I think he wanted to brag a little bit and yeah, he started the conversation with it was Wednesday, March 31st.
	That's been stuck in our brains ever since.
	Okay.
	So your dad met your mom.
	How old were they, by the way?
	They both had had a previous marriage, so I believe they were early 30s.
	They were both divorced at the time.
	And yeah, they met at a bar in New York.
	He went home with her.
	They hooked up and she moved in two weeks later.
	And it's been 37 years now, I believe.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay, congrats.
	There you go.
	There you have it.
	Even the one night stand can lead to a long life.
	That is definitely the exception, not the rule.
	Yeah.
	No, 100% people can meet and fall in love based off of one night stands.
	But I don't think that that should be the 21st century 22.
	Absolutely not.
	I agree.
	I definitely agree.
	And can we also say, like, most even long-term relationships don't go the distance either?
	So can we also say, well, it's also even in loving long-term relationships, it's the exception, not the rule, that it ends up becoming a marriage that has lasted 30.
	Like, I mean, you know, we can kind of say the same about relationships too.
	Out of curiosity, I feel like you would know this statistic.
	When did marriages, it's a 50% divorce rate, I believe, right, at the moment?
	50, 50.
	52.
	53, okay.
	It depends on certain demographics, but yeah, let's like, it's, I think 50% of marriages increase.
	So let's say America, right?
	Sure.
	So do you know when that statistic started increasing in divorces?
	Probably around, I want to say 60s or 70s, right?
	I believe, I don't know exactly when.
	I want to say probably around the time of the sexual revolution with the introduction of birth control, which was in the 60s.
	That's what I figured.
	Which was also the first rise of modern feminism.
	So ever since 5060s to now, divorce rates have increased.
	Sexual promiscuity has increased.
	Hookup culture has increased.
	Obviously, social media plays a role into that.
	Do you actually want to take her seat kind of thing a bit?
	Just watch out for that mic there, just so we get you into the frame there.
	My question was, is it true that I haven't looked at the statistics, but is the major cause of divorce still money?
	Is the major cause of divorce these days still money?
	Like finances?
	Is that the major cause?
	My understanding is when it comes to divorce, one of the primary contributing factors is financial difficulties is a pretty big factor.
	I messaged Brian about, like, so there's apparently amongst millennials, especially women, men too, but mostly millennial women, there's a lot of financial trauma.
	I don't know what happened.
	I don't know if it was 2008.
	I don't know if it was something that happened where their parents struggled.
	And now women are like, I got to earn, I got to earn.
	And it kind of puts the shell around them so they're not in a receiving mode.
	And I'm so curious if that's one of the causes, the major ones, is money.
	Because yes, it is, but a lot of it is financial security, like with your partner and able to provide for your family when you're talking about like, you know, women needing to work.
	I think honestly, a lot of that is more feminism with like, you know, being a corporate woman, like I can do it on my own, the boss babe energy, waiting to have kids, waiting to get married, to where now even the marriage rate and our birth rate in America has decreased because women feel like that they need to provide.
	Have that simulation.
	Do you really feel like it's all women's fault?
	Like the second women were able to provide for themselves, they chose not to be with men.
	What does that tell you about men?
	I think hurt people hurt people.
	I don't think it's women's faults at all, but I do think that ever since the 60s, you know, since modern feminism, the more that women have put out in society, I'm talking like corporate world.
	If you look at the corporate society, for example, women now are being told to stay in work longer because the corporations are benefiting off of women working at them.
	So, I mean, it's not women's fault.
	I'm not blaming women, but I do think that women have been bought into this lie that they've been sold.
	Do you think they're being submissive to their employment rather than to their man?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Fascinating.
	So, how would you suggest that we could possibly fix this then?
	Therapy for financial trauma.
	No, but I think so.
	Would you suggest that women work less and seek out a husband to provide?
	I'm just trying to do that.
	I mean, I'm just working right now.
	I mean, I work right now.
	I'm 23.
	I'm working to be financially independent myself.
	100%.
	Every woman is trying to be financially independent.
	But I also think at the end of the day, when you're in a relationship, what is the point of being in a relationship?
	Work-life balance.
	Sorry, I don't want to interrupt anybody.
	No, you're good.
	I'm just a little confused on your take here.
	Do you think it's negative for women to be career-driven in a relationship?
	It depends on the relationship, 100%.
	Because I do think that there can be a relationship where relationships where the woman is the breadwinner and the man is a stay-at-home dad.
	Totally fine, and that works for a lot of women.
	But I also think that in society, women are being told to work more in the corporate world, which is being more detrimental to even their mental health.
	I mean, we've never seen this many women on antidepressants.
	We've never seen this many women on anxiety medications.
	Birth control has effects on that.
	And I think it's more of women who aren't focused, have skewed priorities.
	They don't know what's possible.
	What's the mental health thing?
	I mean, we haven't seen this many people in general, men or women on antidepressants.
	And I think that's like a big pharma thing.
	I mean, we're being sold this crap.
	I do.
	Right.
	So don't, do you think we should reject it?
	I think 100%.
	Yeah, I'm not for the medicating yourself.
	I think honoring work life.
	Birth control, anti-pressants.
	Who's on birth control?
	I used to be.
	Who's on birth control?
	Anybody currently on birth control?
	Anybody okay just you?
	All right, okay.
	I mean, it got rid of my acne.
	Like, it helped has helped me a lot.
	It can have some positive things, but big boobs.
	I do think I didn't have them now.
	Sorry.
	I'm trying really hard not to interrupt anyone.
	No, go ahead, go ahead.
	I do think that mental illness in a lot of cases, obviously not all, is now more prevalent, not only because of science, but because it's kind of like a cop-out, to be honest with you.
	I agree.
	I think a lot of people almost have a desire to be diagnosed with something.
	Maybe if it's not as an excuse, as a form of uniqueness or culture.
	I feel like even people want to be victims.
	Yeah, and people definitely, I completely agree with this.
	This is a big thing in our industry is talking about the average person has such a victim mentality, myself included, before I got into what I'm doing for sure.
	You used to like what?
	How so?
	You never want to be at fault for anything.
	Like taking accountability.
	Yeah, like, and this is just a small example because it's like what I do for a living, but like before I started lifting, I thought like, do you guys know what Chloe Tang is?
	Yes.
	Do you know what Chloe Tang workouts are?
	So just background information, scientifically, does not work at all.
	It's the easy route that most women take, especially in quarantine.
	And some of it is lack of knowledge.
	But I feel like you kind of blame like, oh, well, I just can't gain weight or I can't lose weight.
	And that's only the case a very small percentage of the time that you genuinely cannot.
	And I said that my entire life because I was 85 pounds.
	And then I researched weightlifting and nutrition and guess what?
	35 pounds first year when you just start actually actively working.
	And just like putting yourself on the right ways to do it.
	It's just for sure.
	It's just like.
	A round of applause.
	Good for you.
	Good for you.
	That's pissed.
	Oh, did you have more?
	I mean, I'm losing my transport.
	I think that, sorry.
	No, go ahead.
	I think that back to the mental illness route, people want to make excuses for themselves not to.
	Wait, Kojak in the chat says, spaghetti arms, I lift.
	I think he's calling you out.
	I am still very skinny.
	Whoa, let's see the tries.
	Come on, come on.
	She's good.
	She's only been one now.
	Oh, my God.
	A year and long.
	Yeah, I've also only been lifting for a little while.
	Yeah, and I gained 35 pounds in the one year.
	Yeah, that's a lot of progress, if you ask me.
	I was really teeny tiny before.
	It was bad, but yeah.
	Couldn't be me.
	Word, I don't know where we were going.
	We were talking about the victim mentality.
	Yeah, the pop-up.
	There's definitely a lot of points I do want to circle back on because we were talking about body count.
	We didn't really totally wrap up on that.
	We also got a fit check here from Mr. Flanlife.
	So let's all do fit check.
	We'll do a little stand-up.
	You know, show us the fit.
	No spinning.
	You can spin if you want.
	I don't want to.
	The boot.
	Yeah.
	That's fine.
	Tell us the brands of your boot, though.
	Unfortunately, she has a.
	You hurt yourself, correct?
	I guess you could.
	Oh, damn.
	Nice.
	That's a solid boot you got going on.
	Does anybody have like one of those ankle monitors?
	I think you have one?
	An ankle monitor?
	An ankle monitor?
	Why are you asking me specifically?
	I don't know.
	Do I look like I would have an ankle monitor?
	Maybe.
	No, no, no, no.
	So, okay, this is the fit.
	Can we get the most muscular?
	Did we.
	I still don't understand.
	Double buy.
	How about double bye?
	Another double bye?
	Another double bye.
	Another double bye.
	Let's pull it off, though.
	Oh, there's the abs.
	Fuck.
	Myron.
	Oh, what?
	Ziz?
	Let's see these.
	Can we get the Ziz?
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Ziz?
	Boom.
	Done.
	What about you?
	Ziz?
	A little Ziz?
	Ziz?
	Oh, I think they want to spin if you guys want to.
	There's nothing.
	I'm not spinning.
	I'm just going to look at it.
	All right.
	There you go, Flan Life.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for that.
	Okay, let me get a couple chats, then we'll come back to our conversation.
	We have Tommy.
	Oh, wait, did I?
	I think I read this one.
	You did.
	Yeah, I did.
	Ladies, by consensus, who at the table do you think would make the best wife for Brian?
	Okay.
	Brian, do you agree?
	I vote Carly.
	She has a boyfriend.
	The one with glasses.
	I think he's just saying that because you both look a little nerdy.
	Whoa, God.
	It's not a bad thing.
	I am a little nerdy.
	Checks out.
	Checks out.
	Consensus at the table.
	Out of curiosity, how old are you?
	34.
	Yeah, no.
	I don't think 19 and 34 is a.
	Brian dates 18 and up.
	Whoa, what the fuck?
	Brian said he dates 18 and up.
	Really?
	Well, she's got a boyfriend.
	Okay, so let's not.
	I've always felt like you guys have cute chemistry.
	Why does she ever want to think that I have a boyfriend?
	I have a boyfriend.
	Strictly business.
	Yeah, this is when we work together.
	She has a boyfriend.
	I don't step on toe.
	Like, strictly business.
	People in platonic relationships.
	Brian are great friends.
	Me and Frankie are homeless.
	I have guy friends too.
	I'm just saying.
	Well, I mean, like, in terms, I mean, that's a whole nother conversation, like age gap dating.
	But I mean, actually, most of the women I date are actually around my age.
	Recently, I've been, like, some of the more recent women in the, say, the past two or three years I've dated have actually been older than me.
	So I love that.
	Generally speaking, I date women around my age, but like, I'll date anywhere from 18 to 45.
	Why not?
	That's my negotiating rate.
	Do you not find that, like, just out of curiosity, do you not find that not even just a maturity gap between you and an 18-year-old, but a relatability gap?
	Well, and to be clear, like of most of the women I've recently dated, they're like late 20s, early 30s.
	But like, I'm not sit, like, if some fucking babe who's 21, I'm not going to like be like, ah, no.
	I'm not going to be like, to be honest.
	Sorry.
	I think that 21 and 18 is also very different.
	Sure.
	Because 18 is like fresh out of high school.
	Very true.
	So different.
	And then 21.
	Well, 18, you are an adult.
	But it's not like it's not like I'm trolling at college parties trying to get a lot of people.
	Oh, God.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm not sure.
	There's also like 18-year-olds that are like way more mature than you think they would be.
	But I'm not saying any like that.
	That actually makes me.
	I'm 18, or I'm 18, and my boyfriend's 22.
	Yeah, but that's fair.
	I think that's, but yeah, that's my acceptable.
	Well, me personally, though, I don't have issues with age gaps.
	If both people are adults, I don't have an issue with it.
	When it comes to the maturity thing, though, and Maddie raised actually a really good point, as someone who's dated or like who's gone on dates or has had relationships with women my age, older than me, around my age, there are some very, very immature women who are 35.
	There are some women who are very toxic who are 35.
	There are some women who are 21 that are very pleasant and actually quite mature.
	And the other thing when it comes to dating young people, actually, we should react to a tape video because he's going to be able to articulate this much better than me.
	But someone who's younger has less relationship baggage.
	It's more likely to have less relationship baggage, lower body count.
	And also, like, when it comes to physical attractiveness, what men and women find physically attractive is fairly different.
	So, and they've done studies on this.
	Like, it's not just like a fringe group of men that find like 21-year-old women really attractive.
	It's like across the board, if you just, if you ask most men, and if they're going to be honest with you, I mean, if there's something to be said about certain people prefer hearing comforting lies over uncomfortable truths, the fact of the matter is, like, if you ask most men, they would say when it comes to purely physical attractiveness, not talking about relatability or things in common, women between the age of like, I think 21 to 25 is when most men will agree.
	That's like the peak of the peak age group of women that they find the most physically attractive.
	I agree.
	Strictly on that metric.
	And look, as we age, you know, we maybe gain a bit of weight.
	Some people can get physically fitter, but you start going under, you know, wrinkly skin.
	You become less physically attractive as you get older.
	So, and they have done studies on this, though.
	Women typically, like, as women age, they tend to find men like one or two years older than them, like the most attractive.
	And then, but for men, it's like pretty much stagnant, like 20, 21, 21, like even into men being 40, 50, like that's the most physically attractive age.
	I was 21 and I dated a 45-year-old.
	But what I found was, like you said, I think that I was thinking, oh my gosh, relationship marriage.
	I was thinking that at 21, I was thinking that.
	But I was a vacation for him, apparently.
	And it wasn't like a sex work thing.
	I didn't realize that he had gotten out of a big relationship.
	I didn't know about it.
	I was at his vacation.
	So I'm like, that could be something.
	And I'm like, oh, okay, I get it now.
	When Matt and I started dating, I was 22 and he was 34.
	And I was actually coming on to him and you're really strong.
	You were, oh, you were, okay, you were 22.
	He was 34.
	Yeah.
	Nothing wrong with that, but you were the one really pursuing him.
	Yeah, I was like really into it.
	And at first, he was like, oh, is she a little too young?
	But then, yeah, he got to know me and realized, oh, for 22, she's actually mature.
	And it seemed kind of like it was sort of a similar thing because he had just been seeing someone who was about his age.
	And she was like, as far as he said, she was like kind of a downer and things like that.
	Yeah, yeah, that's right.
	I was like, refreshing.
	That's the same thing.
	So I think like age gaps, yeah, I totally could be hit or miss.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But statistically, people marry and date within three years of their age.
	I mean, that's interesting.
	But also, I mean, I also, I read this one.
	It kind of grossed me out, this one study that they like, they connected.
	So they showed pictures of women of different ages to different men.
	They connected their brains to it.
	And their brains reacted most to women who were like 16.
	Ah, I haven't heard of that study.
	I don't know about that.
	I couldn't quote it.
	And I mean, maybe I'll look it up.
	I think my, honestly, when I was like 16, I think my dad told me about it.
	So this is like deep in my brain.
	I just thought of it.
	I've never heard of that.
	I've never heard of it.
	But I don't know.
	Like, I'm trying to think where I was going with this.
	Yeah, well, I mean, just a point of clarification.
	Like, as I mentioned, would I date someone who's 19, 20, 21?
	I would, but I'm not like hanging out at fucking college parties trying to meet.
	Yeah.
	Like, I don't go to bars.
	I don't go to clubs.
	Like, I'm not a real person.
	But if some fucking baddie 21-year-old DMs me, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to be like, sorry.
	No, like, I'm, yeah, it's so.
	Oh, God.
	This is a purely personal standpoint, but I feel that if a man who, I think my cutoff is probably like 25, 26, which is still pretty.
	It's a pretty large age gap for 19.
	But if a man who's 25 or 26 years old, knowing my age reaches out to me, that raises some concern for me.
	And I would like to consider myself mature for my age.
	I don't want to blatantly say that because I don't know.
	But even with the, oh, like, well, she's the same maturity level, I would still view it as kind of concerning just life experience-wise, almost.
	Like, they're advertising just that.
	It's kind of like in those adult videos, they go, 19-year-old, 18, just turned 18.
	Barely 18.
	I don't know.
	I know what you mean.
	I don't think they're going out of their way.
	They shouldn't be advertising that solely.
	I don't think they're going out of their way for that one sole reason.
	But sometimes it can imply, and obviously this has to do with their personal history, that they, as an older man, can't, like, maybe girls their age know better almost.
	Does that make sense?
	Funky.
	No, not really.
	Not really.
	I think it's I think it's pretty simple.
	Like younger women are better looking, lower body count, less baggage, and this is a biological component to it.
	They're a better bet for fertility.
	So like, for example, I mean, obviously we're using like biology.
	You know, women who are 25 are still, you know, even into their late 20s, are still very fertile.
	However, like, say you're a guy who's in his late 30s and you want to have kids.
	Once you hit 35 as a woman, you can still have kids, but you're starting to get into high-risk pregnancy territory.
	So as a guy, Nick, hello.
	As a guy, let's say you want to have kids, you want to have a family, and maybe you want to have a lot of kids.
	A woman, say you're 39, dating a woman your age is not the best bet when it comes to fertility.
	If you're 39 and you're going to date a 38-year-old, okay, by the time you guys get married, maybe you're both 42, then she's 40.
	Maybe you can, you're lucky to have one kid.
	Like, a guy who's in his late 30s is probably going to want to try to date, like, a woman who's 29, 28.
	How do guys feel about sexual surrogacy?
	Sexual surrogacy?
	Yeah.
	Like, if the woman can't, then are they like, you know what?
	Like, I want a family with you, but let's find a woman that, like, how do they feel about it?
	Well, I think it's very simple.
	If he wants to have kids, then they just find.
	It's probably best for you too to not get involved with him because he, the prospects of long-term relationships with someone who wants kids as well.
	Yeah.
	Brian, my booby.
	Thank you.
	She's being quiet and modest about her fitness.
	She's an asm certified trainer, completed an eight-day fast.
	No food with me that reset her hormones and prepped for BB competition.
	There you go.
	Check for what, Evereak.
	I sent transformation.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Can I ask you a vision?
	Appreciate it.
	I didn't end up competing because I'm not going to trauma dump Brian.
	Don't worry.
	But I just had a lot of family things go on and I like stopped my prep like right when I was about to.
	But I was going to do NPC.
	How did you fast?
	So I actually want to start again.
	I actually lost a lot of weight.
	I gained like a lot of weight during COVID.
	Was it bikini?
	Yeah.
	It was bikini that I was prepping for.
	Yeah.
	That was awesome.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm curious about the eight-day fast that reset your mom.
	Me too.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, basically, just whenever you fast, I mean, your body is like completely resetting itself.
	What do you eat?
	So, yeah.
	No, you don't.
	Water.
	Water?
	Mineral water, right?
	Mineral water.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So you don't like deplete your nutrients.
	But yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	But it's great for you.
	It has a lot of health.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	So no calories at all.
	Nothing.
	Yeah.
	Just like salt and magnesium water.
	My dad did a fast for 21 days with just water.
	Cool.
	Wow.
	Cool.
	I think he his main concern was that he had an ulcer in his stomach and I think it fixed it.
	See, I hadn't had a lot of time.
	Let's just bring it back to the conversation we were having.
	So, I mean, you were mentioning something about, you know, what does someone who's younger, say someone who's 21, have in common with someone who's, for example, 31.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, I would argue that having things in common with someone is very low on the totem pole of what makes you attracted to somebody.
	It's a pause, like if, oh, we like the same music, but like how, that's not going to be the primary attraction trigger for anybody.
	Because I'm sure for every single girl here, you've known a guy who you have tons of shit in common with, but you would never date him.
	So this idea that commonality or having things in common is really important.
	Like I don't care if my girlfriend, if she likes the same music as me, cool, I guess, but it's very, very low priority on the totem pole to the point of being kind of so negligent.
	It's so negligent.
	Yeah, I think.
	Negligible, I think.
	Sorry, I think that I worded it wrong.
	For lack of better words, I don't think that having things in common in general is important, but obviously age gaps is a super nuanced topic.
	Like there's a lot of opinions on it.
	But for lack of better words, relatability, I feel like would apply to a general census.
	Like me personally, I would like, this is a random general example.
	I would like to date somebody who has a similar job to me.
	That's a different area of life, but I feel like there's just some things that are kind of non-negotiable.
	Like you'd want to date someone with the same morals, you know, stuff like that.
	I feel like it's more on that tier list.
	And obviously it depends for every person, but well, yeah, I mean, but I could point out, for example, like there are women who are 21, for example, that don't go to bars, don't go to clubs.
	They're not really drinking.
	They don't really party.
	I don't drink.
	I don't go to the bars.
	I don't go to clubs.
	I don't do drugs.
	Not interested in any of that shit.
	There's plenty of women who are 30 that still go to fucking raves and they're still out.
	They're fucking alcoholics and they're drinking every single weekend and they're clubbing and partying and hooking up.
	That's not the type of girl I want.
	So, I mean, you can find people across various age groups that align with you in terms of whether it's interest, whether it's relatability.
	I would relate much more to a girl who's, say, 21, who doesn't go to bars, doesn't go to clubs, doesn't drink, doesn't party, doesn't do drugs, than a girl who's 31, who's closer to my age, who still fucking goes to raves and parties and drinks and does drugs.
	Like, so.
	I actually think you swayed my opinion on this.
	Oh, I agree with you more.
	But I would just, like, I think that, sorry, I'm just saying.
	No, and it's fine to think how like.
	Yeah, no, but I just think I would definitely still, like, if I see with no context around it, a 34-year-old man and a 19-year-old girl, I'm going to be concerned right off the bat.
	How does it work?
	But the frame of reference, too.
	I mean, like, how is a 34-year-old man and a 19-year-old girl going to have like the same, like, you know, like, they're not even going to be into the same things?
	I mean, I understand how they can get along or whatever, maybe, like you're saying, but oh, I'll put her on to some game of fantasy.
	I got this.
	Yeah, I think that's kind of like hot when an older guy shows up.
	It's cute.
	I mean, like, what if I got the shows?
	I know the good shows.
	Okay, well, also, you're, you know, I mean, I'm assuming, like, you know, like you, you, you, you have money and whatnot, so maybe you can take care and whatever.
	But do you feel like maybe, like, what if she's in a different stage of life than you?
	Like, you have an established career, right?
	And she is, you know, just her, she's in her sophomore year of college.
	Like, sure.
	You don't feel like that different stage of life kind of makes a difference for you?
	I suppose it depends.
	Like, obviously, I know a lot of girls who are in college, like, especially, I don't know if you guys are sorry, I've got a motorcycle passing by super loud.
	A lot of girls who are in college, not all of them, but like a fair amount of them, especially here.
	This is UCSB is pretty close to us.
	UC Santa Barbara, it's a major party school.
	So, a lot of girls, for example, who are in college, they like to go out on the weekends, party, go to clubbing.
	That type of girl probably ain't it for me.
	Like, I'm not really interested in that kind of girl, but there's plenty of girls who are in college who are probably a little more studious.
	They aren't really into partying, not really into that whole thing.
	That's kind of like not what I was getting at.
	Yeah, different stage of life.
	Like, she's just getting established.
	Yeah, and maybe you're more ready because you're 34, right?
	Well, let me just reiterate.
	Again, I'm not at college parties trolling, like, trying to pick up chicks.
	But, like, again, like, if it happened to be like, you know, if I have, and I haven't been on dating apps in over a year, but if I was on a dating app and like she, her age setting, like, we matched on a dating app, cool.
	If we, she DM'd me, cool.
	If through some way we met organically, cool.
	But it's not like I'm like really targeting demographics.
	Yeah.
	Again, like, let me reiterate, like, most, the vast majority of the women I've dated in the past, say, most of them, I'd say, are around my age.
	And actually, quite a few of them have been older than me.
	You could also be at different stages of life, but like have commonality and like where like what you want in someone.
	Like think about the 19-year-old setter with 50-year-old sugar daddies.
	Like, they want the money.
	The older men want the younger woman.
	But Leonardo DiCaprio and like 20 years old.
	They're not going to end up together and marry each other and have babies together.
	How many.
	I mean, yeah, there are those exceptions.
	I agree.
	How many 19-year-old girls, though, would like be 100 fucking percent down to get with like a male celebrity who's in his 30s?
	Like, wasn't that Leonardo Cash?
	Yo, come on.
	Yeah, they would be down.
	A lot of men and women would be a lot of money.
	A lot.
	I mean, I'm saying a lot of people.
	Leonardo DiCaprio is cleaning up.
	Yeah, he's got celebrities are like a different topic.
	I feel like we're talking, I mean, like, I would hope that this podcast is about like, you know, like, because people who watch it, they're not all celebrities.
	It's about modern dating, right?
	We're not talking about people with clout.
	But I also think there's plenty.
	But that is modern dating.
	I was going to say, I think there's plenty of women.
	There's plenty of women who are mature enough at a young age, who are ready to get married, who are ready to have kids, who don't have a high body count.
	I mean, you can be 19, 20, 21.
	I know plenty of people even in college that got engaged to people that were maybe older and graduated 28, 29.
	But just because they're younger doesn't mean they're not mentally or physically ready for any of those life experiences.
	I completely agree.
	I was commenting on that.
	Let me just add one point to what she said.
	I would actually argue, like, men have a little longer period of time to get their life figured out because of like childbirth, that sort of stuff.
	So I actually think the perfect time for a girl to like try to lock in a long-term partner is actually when you're young.
	It's not when you're in your 30s.
	Like you have your, you're, you are at your strongest, let's say, negotiating position when between the ages of like, let's say, 18 to 25.
	You can lock down like pretty much the best partner then.
	So a lot, and what happens is a lot of women folks' career.
	And hey, I think career is fun.
	What do you mean by negotiating?
	Like that's when you're at your like.
	You're at your prime.
	When you're in between the ages of 19 to 25 as a woman, you can find your most optimal partner at that point.
	Because like Brian said, if you're chasing your career and you're 26, 27, 28, then a man, as you're getting older, is not going to want to marry you as much the older that you get.
	It's crazy how you guys are like anti-sex work and anti-prostitution or whatever, but yet this is giving the same kind of energy.
	What do you mean?
	I mean, she has a certain value at this age and she's like more like sellable to a better man, right?
	But actually, yeah, well, that's kind of what it's like.
	Okay, but I mean, you're trying to pigeonhole what we're saying here.
	But like, if we can look at things realistically, people have a value on the dating marketplace.
	And when I say value, it's not your value as a human being.
	Everybody has value.
	Your life has value.
	But in terms of your value on the relationship marketplace, the marriage marketplace, the sexual marketplace, and I know you're smiling.
	Oh, okay.
	But the reality is, like, people have value on the marketplace.
	This isn't a way to diminish people and to minimize people, but it's just a way to articulate in an analytical sort of way.
	Okay, how are things going to play out on the dating marketplace?
	Because it is competitive.
	You are competing with other women.
	Men are competing with other men.
	And we tend to try to match up with, you know, we try to get the best we can.
	Okay.
	Perhaps you object to this sort of commodification.
	It's not even really a commodification.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, but it is.
	I mean, you said it, not me.
	I mean, I think.
	You think this is like a gotcha?
	Oh my God, Brian.
	It's a pretty common term.
	No, I'm completely aware.
	Are you familiar with the sexual marketplace?
	Yes, I'm completely aware of what's happening.
	There's the dating marketplace.
	You have to mansplain it to me.
	Yes.
	Yes, I'm completely aware.
	I'm not mansplaining, which by the way, I disavow your use of a rather sexist term.
	Is it sexist?
	Mansplain is, I think it is sexist.
	In the same way, if I were to say woman splaining.
	Woman's plane, because you're valid, no, valid.
	You are putting, you're attaching someone's gender to like, I just, you're trying to diminish what I'm saying by saying.
	Okay, well, I apologize because I. Apology accepted.
	No, because I'm honestly not like the kind of girl who like, I have no issues with men.
	I actually, I love men.
	Most of my friends are men.
	I have only brothers.
	Like, I have no issues with men at all.
	But, yeah, management is just a term.
	It's like a – Okay, so let's continue with the conversation.
	Anyways, yeah, so, no, I mean, the thing with the sexual marketplace that bothers me is that I feel like it's so black and white.
	And the issue with like red pill in general for me as someone who's like leaning more towards blue pill, although I do agree with some of your points, is that it's so black and white.
	Like it lacks nuance.
	I mean, people in general, they're not getting married these days at 19 years old.
	And I mean, it's kind of the same concept of like when you're 19, like, do you really want to get married with the guy?
	Like, I, my first, my sixth year relationship that I was talking about, I was 17 when we got together.
	We could have gotten married, but I chose not to because I felt like I kind of outgrew him.
	And if we had gotten married at 18, for example, we probably would have ended up divorced.
	I'm not saying like get married immediately at 18, but what I am saying is, like, I would say that you are in your peak years between, say, 18 to 25.
	Do you think it'd be easier for say like a 48-year-old woman to find someone on the dating marketplace than a 19-year-old woman?
	No, well, that's what works.
	Well, that's extreme.
	I mean, I'm just saying that, like, I think that everybody, men and women, should like get some experience before they jump into getting married.
	No one's saying that they shouldn't, I don't think.
	Yeah.
	I think that he's trying to say that, and sorry, not to put words in your mouth, but I think it's more that within your 20s, within your 20s, I feel like that's realistically.
	Because you're the most valuable, but like who?
	To a partner, a long-term relationship.
	Sorry.
	If you get married later in life, even if it's just somebody who is also getting married later in life, it's I want to say less likely to work out.
	If it was more likely to work out, it would be due to lack of other options for both parties.
	Well, like, here's a common thing you hear, for example, is like, and look, and I think I kind of touched on this.
	I don't have an issue with women.
	Like, I think it's great that we can, what's the right term here?
	That we can, and I'm using this in the most charitable sense, that we can exploit the genius and intellect of women to, for example, I think it's wonderful that women are going into STEM and researching cancer.
	And I think we need to put as much manpower, no, woman power, to trying to solve some of the most challenging Problems that we face in society, cancer research, you know, tackling certain illnesses, diseases, etc.
	I think it's wonderful to have women in the workforce.
	However, what you do have is a lot of women who, throughout their 20s, focus on their career, get into their 30s, and they're like, wow, this really isn't particularly fulfilling.
	I'd really like to have a family and kids, but once you get to your mid-30s, it does become, I'd say even for both men and women, but perhaps more so for women, it becomes a bit more difficult to find a partner.
	And so, and the other thing you have is you'll also have, in addition to the career component, you'll have women who they'll spend their 20s just like fucking a bunch of dudes, casual sex, and then they get to the finish line, or maybe not the finish line, but they get to their 30s.
	Oh, I want a husband, I want to have kids.
	I have a bunch of baggage from like fucking all these dudes.
	My body count's high.
	Maybe I picked up herpes on the way.
	Okay.
	This is going to be more difficult.
	Good luck.
	Okay, I see.
	I'm going to do this thing I can actually get on.
	I'm going to do that.
	Like, that's my big thing with body count.
	That's another thing with body count.
	The more sexual partners you have to do.
	You have the more hands-on, the greater you're likely to get an STD.
	So you don't think that a woman loses value in areas like wisdom, career, et cetera, but relationship-wise, right?
	What do you mean?
	Like, so we're talking about how a woman loses value as they age.
	That's a hard time.
	It's concept to lose value.
	It just becomes more difficult for them.
	It is a hard thing to do.
	Like, for example, let me, okay, when I'm 50 years old, I think I will have less value in the dating marketplace than I do now.
	So we're just exclusively speaking about the dating scene, not necessarily other walks of life.
	Like you're okay, I'm just clarifying.
	Yeah, no, it's not that.
	Because I think that your value as a human concern, yeah.
	No, that's not what we're talking about.
	No, I agree.
	I think biologically, obviously, it's true that as you age, you're for example, here's another example.
	If I just tomorrow woke up 300 pounds heavier and I was obese, my value in the dating marketplace would be much harder for me to attract women.
	Therefore, my value on the marketplace has been diminished.
	I totally agree with you.
	I just think that I'm still a human being.
	100%.
	But I think the problem that most people have with the conversation is they're not viewing it from like a completely cornered off perspective like that.
	They're viewing it like, oh, well, a woman loses value in all walks of life as they can.
	Very personal.
	Isn't true, yeah.
	But we're talking about biology here.
	No, not at all.
	Not at all.
	But like in terms of being attractive to the opposite sex, like as you get older, the state of our economy kind of contributes to that.
	Well, I mean, because oh, well, I mean, certainly it's the case that for I'd say most people to get by in today's day and age, you need two incomes.
	Right.
	So, I mean, that we can go back in time and say, well, and again, I think it's wonderful that we can now, and again, I'm using this word in the most charitable sense, we can now exploit women's brilliance and intelligence in the workforce.
	However, there are certain economic ramifications to essentially doubling the labor pool.
	I agree.
	And in the past, you could, one income could support a household.
	That's really not, some people can still do it, but it's really no longer the case.
	Now you're faced with both men and women who have to work.
	And again, I think it's wonderful that if you're a woman and you want to focus on your career, fantastic.
	That's great.
	However, there are certain economic realities when you double the labor pool.
	Right.
	Actually, I want to circle back to what me and you were talking about when I was talking about.
	That's what I was getting at.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Go for it.
	I'll step away.
	I need to get up for a sec, but go ahead, guys.
	So what I was going to say, I think after I said, I forget what I said at this point, but was that I feel like you're, I felt like you were kind of like blaming women for like the lack of like children being born and like families.
	I don't think it's necessarily, it's like not women or men.
	It's like the state of our economy.
	I mean, even if you are with your partner, like you're, you know, you're a two-person household, you don't, it's, it's hard to have a kid.
	I mean, and with women in work, I mean, a lot of states don't support like, you know, we're lucky to be in California, at least I live in California, where they do have like paid leave for what, like six weeks, you know?
	So I think that maybe as a, you know, I'm a, I'm central left and you're.
	Probably right.
	Conservative, conservative yeah, I think maybe we can agree on this.
	That, like there needs to be more policy on on family.
	Oh absolutely, I think there should be more policy put in place for longer term maternity leave, because I think that would incentivize women to have children more.
	And I also think it's very crucial for women to be at home with their kids for the for a long portion honestly, of of the baby's lives, because that's a huge developmental stage to the child.
	And I also think you know, look at the child care industry and how that plays into.
	You know, women can only be at home with their kid for six weeks and then I need you to get back in the corporate world to continue making money.
	That's awful, and I agree with you.
	I 100 agree with you.
	So i'm i'm, i'm Romanian, like my mom was born in Romania, I have most, my family is in Romania, and in Romania you get three years paid.
	Three years wow, that's it's rule.
	But then also okay in society, is it the corporation's job to fund you being able to go home and be with your kids?
	No no no, the corporations don't pay for it.
	The country does the, the EU I mean Romania is part of the, so then it would be the taxpayer's job in America to be able to uphold the family see, but then I think that's up to the family to be able to raise and support.
	Unfortunately, we don't live in that kind of economy though, because which we should be able to.
	I mean, I mean, our country spends so much money on military, on on everything else, and you think they could spend on families, right?
	Right, and I do think there is child support and there is help out there federally for parents, but it also it shouldn't be the government and the taxpayers number one priority, like it's our job to give money just because you had a kid, so we're going to support you having a kid.
	If you have a kid, I mean, it's your job to support.
	And I also think that in America we have a materialism problem, where people are opulent and spending money on things and have skewed priorities in Europe as well so, but the thing is is you're saying well, you know the government needs to help, pay for kids and support kids, and you know parents need help, when in reality, I just think there's a lot of people who have skewed priorities and don't properly and wisely.
	So you think materialism is the reason why few people aren't having kids.
	Well, people would rather pay for like, a Louis Vuitton than have a child.
	I mean, come on no, what i'm saying is like, like you're, you said that people can't afford to have children because of the economy, but a lot of those people that can't afford children can afford a lot of other things and not have their priorities right.
	Like they don't put their family above other things.
	I I always thought it would be so cool.
	Like I actually looked up the other day I was like how cool would it be if like, family vacations were like really like society did things where like hey, we're having a community fair where taxpayers were like I mean, I would chip in my tax dollars.
	I know, maybe not everybody, but i'd be like you know what?
	Like that's cool.
	Like families are going out, they're making Memories.
	Like I remember I went on a family, I went on family vacations as an adult because we didn't get any.
	And I kid, you know, it was so healing seeing my family celebrating.
	I was like, I needed that when I was younger.
	And how cool would that be to like give that to somebody else?
	Like when they're young, like that maybe society would value family more than like, oh, I have to earn so much so I have to support my family, rather than like got a little nugget from you know, from the block, like you know society in the neighborhood, and that I think.
	I think there needs to be.
	I think that that what's gonna happen is people are gonna get we as a culture could get really tired of this capitalism thing like not full, not in full amount, so would you be instead pro-socialism and the government have more control?
	No, I think that there needs to be some sort of balance, like like maybe work-life balance starting to be honored, like you, like you said with the with the maternity leave, give it longer and then give it to men too.
	Do you think that Europe isn't capitalist?
	It's, there's certainly.
	Europe is, like 100% socialist.
	I mean, I come from a family where like, my mom was raised in communism, so I didn't know what the difference which one's Finland, Finland.
	I don't know their economic system, but I heard that they.
	There are some Nordic countries that are more socialist, and I mean a lot of people like to reference like healthcare industries, like having free health care for everybody, which wouldn't be sustainable in the United States.
	But I mean, okay, look at, you're talking about opportunity.
	You're wanting free things from the government that comes at a cost of you know.
	If the government is going to utilize your tax dollars to then continue to pay for this lifestyle to uphold, why can't Americans I mean we live in the freest country to continue to utilize the opportunity that is given to us under our Constitution to go out and make more money?
	I mean, you can start a podcast, you can have an OnlyFans.
	You can now make money on Instagram.
	There's really no excuse for any.
	So now you're pro OnlyFans.
	I mean, wouldn't you rather like our tax dollars go to like supporting families as opposed to supporting a war overseas?
	Like just oh absolutely oh absolutely, absolutely.
	Our money should stay in America, 100.
	No, I'm not personally.
	I am not pro OnlyFans, but the point that I'm making is that is legal and available in America and there's no excuse to not make money.
	I think there's other ways that are way more glorifying to make money that isn't selling your body.
	Well the average person isn't able to like become a drop shipper or like become an influencer.
	I mean if we were all influencers like where would who's gonna serve your coffee?
	Who's gonna be your gas attendant?
	I mean there needs to be like some kind of like threshold for people who do like some people aren't like minimum wage self-motivation.
	Obviously there's a food chain but just because those people that serve coffee exist doesn't mean that you should be like oh I should just be able to serve coffee and not try to I don't know be an entrepreneur.
	I don't find ways to serves coffee like sits there and it's like I'm just gonna serve coffee for the rest of my life.
	What about people who work in factories or people who work at McDonald's?
	Like you think your average McDonald's worker shouldn't be allowed to like live or have a family?
	Well that's a good idea.
	I know like Barista that is in her 30s.
	Here let's get let's move on.
	We got some chats we got to get to.
	We have smoke and pancakes ladies no man wants a relationship with someone with a high body count.
	Example the one village bicycle in my hometown is 36 has 500 plus body count five different baby daddies still not married.
	No one wants that.
	Hit it Brian.
	She belongs to the what?
	Oh wait unmute.
	Unmute.
	She belongs to the streets.
	Thank you smoke and pancakes appreciate it.
	And then we have once again Brian I've been watching since January.
	Great show.
	Keep it up.
	Hey man, thank you for all your support.
	Good to hear you've been watching for such a long time man.
	Thank you.
	The culture in the South is still pretty traditional.
	There's a small percent that aren't.
	I find the dating culture in Cali cringe.
	Gen Z is destroying the country two thumbs down.
	I don't know.
	You two are Gen Z, right?
	You guys appreciate that.
	Gen Z.
	I think I'm also actually a Gen Z.
	I think I'm the year before, the year after millennials.
	We're just Gen Z star.
	Yeah, we are.
	I'm 26.
	You're 26.
	Yeah.
	We're 96.
	Yeah.
	97.
	96.
	Yeah.
	I think 96, 97 is the cusp of Gen Z millennial.
	I don't know.
	I think millennial is.
	I have a lot of hope for Gen Z.
	Yeah.
	I think the millennials are millennials.
	I think that it's just a larger display of people who are more.
	Actually, wait, I have no faith in Gen Z, nevermind.
	I think that social media brings out a lot of people who are more morally loose, for lack of a better word, again.
	Yeah.
	But I think that if you actually just scientifically took that entire generation and looked, a lot more would be more traditional or conservative than you would expect.
	Let me just clarify on the Gen Z thing.
	Actually, it's very polarized, is what I should say.
	There's a lot of crazy motherfuckers.
	Well, I think there's crazy people everywhere, but I think there's some really based people.
	Of course.
	I mean, Gen Z is a huge cohort of people, but there's some super base people who are Gen Z, and then there's a lot of crazy shit going on in Gen Z, too.
	It's very extremist on both sides.
	It's pretty wild on both sides, I reckon.
	I wonder what the generation after Gen Z will be called.
	Gen Alpha?
	Yeah.
	Genatha is Gen Alpha.
	It is.
	Gen Alpha.
	Wow.
	That's going to be funny when it's beta.
	Yeah, I think it's going to go.
	Gen Alpha is going to just be dunking on Genesis.
	You fucking betas.
	Keep betas, yeah.
	Oh, that's going to be.
	Maybe they got to skip over that.
	That's a big name.
	All right, we have, and we will, we need to finish on a couple of conversational threads, but we have, did I do this one?
	Yeah, we did, we did.
	Oh, this is good.
	Conan19.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Thank you for all the support tonight, man.
	Red flag or green flag?
	He's a prepper.
	Lots of guns, owns body armor, trains.
	Like a prepper pocket.
	Yeah, like prepping for something pretty good.
	Like survival.
	Like survivalism.
	I think that's the green flag.
	Green flag.
	Green flag is your response.
	Personally.
	I'm not saying like military or something.
	We'll go around the table on this.
	Go ahead.
	Personally, if you're prepping for the zombie apocalypse, I'm going to pass.
	I feel like that's a certain level of.
	It depends whether it's interest or delusion.
	What if he has a bunker?
	Pass.
	Wait, but what if he's like, he's really wealthy?
	So it's just like he's accounting for.
	How wealthy are we talking that you just casually have a bunker?
	I could afford a bunker.
	I think.
	Wait, maybe not.
	I feel like a bunker may have one in the lizard boss.
	Like a nuke-proof bunker.
	Oh, like a really good bunker.
	Hold on, just.
	Oh, thank you, man.
	It's less about social economy and more about inflation plus corporations maximizing profit.
	There are a lot of psyops to keep money flowing and people single.
	I don't ever do this, but I might actually make an instant shot my shot at Aerial.
	Oh, okay.
	Romantic.
	Yeah, they've been feeling you in the chat.
	Yeah.
	They like muscle mommies.
	You all have to fight.
	Okay, yeah.
	Well, actually, we could do that.
	We could arrange it.
	We could organize a fight.
	Whoever's the one left alive wins.
	Oh, it's a battle to the death.
	Yeah.
	That's the only way to do it.
	So, no for prepper, what about you?
	Would you date a prepper?
	Yeah.
	I like guys who have guns.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	I'm green flag.
	It seems like ex-military or maybe even, or yeah, maybe current military?
	Kind of.
	Yeah.
	I mean, sure, if you wake up every day and you're like, oh my god, that like the apocalypse is coming, then I don't want that.
	yeah that's fine I guess let's say he he doesn't really talk about it much but like it's clear that he's got a don't you want a guy who's got a fucking plan like that Yeah, yeah, if he has a plan, that's great.
	But if he's anxious about it constantly, you'd be kind of worried about his health.
	Wait, here's another question.
	You know, at hotels on the front door, there's like, here's the escape route in the case of a fire or some shit.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's fair.
	You know what should be?
	I think the biggest turn on for a woman should be if your boyfriend reads the escape.
	That's not for sure.
	That's like huge.
	Yeah, I like it when they have to be like facing the door.
	Does that make sense?
	Oh, when they sleep on the cycle, anytime me and my dad were somewhere together, he had to have a view of the door in case anyone.
	And he's like, oh, like back to a wall.
	Was he a police officer?
	My mom was a police officer, so that.
	I can't say on the internet what he does for a living.
	Oh shit.
	But he did conceal Carrie.
	Okay.
	He always, in any room, knew.
	Oh.
	Matthew McCarthy donated $99.
	Brian, what's your ideal woman, age, height, personality, job, etc.
	Also, chat going off calling me a simp for supporting my boobale-ha ha.
	What's everyone's thoughts on that?
	Am I a simp?
	No, man.
	I mean, you're obviously the boyfriend.
	Fiancé.
	Oh, fiancé, excuse me.
	Excuse me.
	What's my, okay, we'll come back to the prepper thing really quick.
	I'll answer this.
	What's your ideal woman, age, height, personality, job?
	Okay, so, hold on.
	I have a list actually of what exactly my type is.
	I've written down.
	Wait, what's up, Nick?
	Oh, Nick, did you say something?
	Oh, sorry, I'm hallucinating, hearing things.
	While I'm trying to pull this up, can you pull up the Twitch really quick?
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	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Okay, so my type.
	He asked what?
	Age, height.
	What was the other one?
	Age, height, personality.
	I'll pull it up.
	Age, height, personality, job.
	Okay, job?
	I don't.
	I don't know.
	I don't really care.
	Yeah.
	I don't.
	I don't really care about when it comes to job.
	Although, I do say that I like it if she's done at least three years of either cello or violin.
	Very important.
	Why particularly those in the world?
	Deal breaker.
	No, I'm kidding.
	No, it's, I mean, that's me just kind of joking around.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	But job?
	I mean, I kind of want to wait until she's back to say this, but like, not OnlyFans, definitely nothing sex work related, no offense, any of you.
	Fair.
	Preferably not something job?
	I don't know.
	You always say you like a woman in STEM.
	Yeah, STEM.
	I like STEM.
	Like, if so, she's kind of, I don't know.
	I'm trying to think.
	Has to be smart.
	Intelligence.
	Brian wants a nerdy girl.
	It's weird because I like smart women who are kind of like nerdy, but also, I'm going to get canceled for this.
	There is something kind of hot about someone who's stupid.
	Do you know what?
	Like, not stupid in the way they're going to fuck your life up because they're so stupid, like in a clumsy kind of way, but like simple.
	Because people who are really intelligent can sometimes be neurotic.
	And they can have intentions.
	And someone that's like, I always like Jillian.
	I always liked Jillian from Family Guy.
	I thought she was a nice, like, I mean, it's a cartoon, but I was like, she seemed funny, nice.
	Not stupid, but like.
	You can see her.
	Simple.
	Just not, like, just makes sense.
	Just here to enjoy and be happy.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Look, I think women who are very intelligent, I think that's attractive too, but in the same way that you can like a woman with blonde hair and a woman with brown hair.
	Yeah, it's attractive different women.
	It's attractive in different ways.
	There's something to say about someone who's simple, you know?
	Yeah.
	So maybe I'm going to get canceled for that.
	But height.
	If she's over five feet, it's a wrap.
	She's got to be like 4'11.
	If her height doesn't start with 4, she ain't 1.
	I mean, I'm kind of joking.
	Oh, here we go.
	Valdev donated $100.
	If I can bring Fall Kit to the death matches, Brazium, still confident, hand-to-hand, but a bit more of a dice roll either way.
	Oh, yes, mom.
	Also, yes, muscle mommy, best mom.
	Wait, can we get another flex?
	Another flex?
	Another little flex, little bicep.
	Someone should dump the other arm, maybe?
	Wait, we haven't seen the triceps.
	Can we see the tries?
	My triceps, they're big, but they hold a lot of my fat, so they're not very.
	No, I mean, that's pretty good.
	She looks amazing.
	She's way bigger than my biceps, so.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Falk.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Fock.
	Okay.
	Why are you saying it British?
	That's how you.
	Fark?
	It's FARK.
	Fark?
	No, no.
	Yeah.
	FARK.
	It's actually the R in the K, you don't even really pronounce it.
	It's silent.
	It's like FOI.
	That's different.
	It's FRA.
	They say FoI and then FAIR.
	Fois and FARK.
	Foi is F-U-A.
	Fark is F-U-A-R-A.
	No, I'm pretty sure F-U-A-R-K is foi.
	You're not close to the bottom.
	No.
	You don't know.
	You don't know.
	Trust me.
	We're around people who we're friends with.
	How about you do it?
	How about you do it?
	No, one arm is like this.
	You're close.
	You gotta look at it.
	No, you're scuffing it.
	I'm scuffing it.
	You're doing this.
	Wait, it's just one.
	No, you guys are scuffing it.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, it's bicep and then sorry.
	Wait, let's see again.
	Bicep and then.
	Two, two, three, it's a week connected.
	Really quick story.
	We were at the beach the other day, and this guy had, who was skinny as shit, had a full chest hat.
	Sorry, full chest hat of Ziz on his chest.
	And we went up to him, we asked if he knew who it was, and he said no.
	Like all the way across, all the way down his sternum.
	Like, it was bad.
	It was really bad.
	He didn't know who's.
	He didn't know who it was.
	I think he just said that he asked for something, like an angel.
	He pulled it up on Pinterest.
	He asked for an angel that was wide now.
	And it's a photo on Pinterest.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	And it's bad.
	And we had to explain to him who it was.
	I could see, because like people have, because he, you know, RIPs is, people probably, there's photos online of like.
	Him Photoshopped with the wings.
	With wings.
	Yeah.
	That makes sense, but that was bad.
	I think he thought it was Icarus too.
	And it just was not at all.
	What was his reaction when you revealed it?
	He was just like, ah, he was like annoyed with us.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	He was just like, nice to meet you.
	Yeah.
	So you just walked up to him and you're like, oh, is this?
	So I had to know.
	I had to know.
	I went up to him and I said, because our friend knew him.
	So we walk up to him and I just go, I have to ask you something.
	Do you know who that is?
	Because he didn't look like he worked out.
	And he was like, I don't know.
	He was weirded out that a random chick came up to him, which is fair.
	But yeah, he had no idea who it was.
	It was really funny.
	That tattoo artist stood in dirty, I guess.
	And he just has to live with that nausea.
	So random cares.
	Yeah, he didn't seem like he cared, but did he tell you if someone has told him that before?
	No.
	He said he's never heard.
	I think he was young.
	It must have been a relatively new tattoo.
	Oh, yeah.
	It was not.
	Well, hey, it's not the worst tattoo to have, I guess.
	I guess most people wouldn't know who it was off of a glance.
	Just to finish this one from Mr. McCarthy, he's asking, like, what's my type?
	Ideal woman, age, height, personality.
	Height.
	Okay, so I was kind of, I mean, look, I do have a slight preference for short women, but like, I'll date a woman who's 4'7.
	I'll date a woman who's 6'5.
	I don't, it's not a huge thing.
	Let's see.
	What else?
	Age?
	Ideal woman?
	Ideal?
	I mean, probably 21.
	We already discussed this.
	21.
	My mom doesn't care.
	And then she has to have like, obviously this is very important.
	Has to have large labia.
	Like, that's.
	If, like, it's just, you know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Got to chug for that first.
	Yeah, I have, listen, I have a fantasy.
	That's awesome.
	I appreciate you caring about that, you know?
	I am an audience.
	I'm a women's advocate.
	I'm not sure if I can do it.
	Without the yellow tattoo.
	Without the yellow tattoo.
	Without the yellow tat, yes.
	I'm a feminist, really, at the end of the day.
	I am a feminist.
	What?
	Because you're a feminist.
	No, I mean, I have a question.
	Do you guys feel like being a feminist is anti-man?
	I feel like it's not good at all.
	In this day and age, yes.
	Modern day.
	Exactly.
	Modern day feminism.
	But I mean, like, if it wasn't for feminists, like, like, you wouldn't be able to vote.
	Somebody told me that the freedoms that we have today, as women, you have to give up to feminists.
	But I'm not really sure.
	Actually, I think you have men to thank.
	And men who are also feminists.
	Well, men are feminists too.
	Somebody said that sex, like feminists, there's a certain part of sex workers.
	I mean, sorry, there's a certain part of a group of feminists that don't believe that sex work is like a feminist activity.
	So I don't know if I'm a radical feminist.
	Wait, which one is there?
	Radical feminism is against sex work.
	Liberal feminism is world.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Gotcha.
	Sex work positive.
	Yeah, there's a lot of different tribes.
	Yeah, I was like, oh, I didn't know that.
	It's no longer a, sorry, it's no longer a positive terminology.
	Yeah.
	Sex work?
	You can't know.
	You can't use feminism for like feminism as a general term.
	Yeah, a general term.
	But just to complete this point on the, I think it's a shame that people can be shamed.
	I don't know why I use it that way.
	It's a shame, like, if men are shamed for their genitalia, and I don't think women should be shamed for their genitalia either.
	If you were born that way, because listen, there's 10,000 women a year are getting labia placed D. Like, I don't, listen.
	I'll talk you out of it, ladies, DM me.
	I'll talk you out of it.
	My DMs are open.
	Send a picture.
	I'll help you out.
	What do you mean to say?
	No.
	It's beautiful.
	I'll say, I mean, like, most men don't care.
	They just like that.
	They're just happy to be there.
	I would agree with that.
	But there are definitely, like, there are some guys who perhaps, well, okay, there's two things.
	Some guys think if a woman has large labia, that it means that she's had a lot of sexual partners.
	That's not true.
	That's not how anatomy works.
	Not a thing.
	And what's the other thing?
	Oh, like, there are some men and women who will throw out like, oh, roast beef, beef curtains.
	Oh, I've heard of that.
	Wizard sleeve.
	That's what it means.
	That's it.
	Wizard sleeve.
	Wizard reference.
	I don't think it's we should be shaming people for the way they were born In the same way, we shouldn't shame men if they're lacking in the bulge.
	I think it's not, you know, you got this big dick energy, small dick energy shit.
	Not a fan of it.
	No, me.
	Not real body positivity.
	Body shaming.
	Yeah, body positivity.
	Yeah.
	Feminist.
	I agree with you.
	I think men deserve more compliments.
	So actually, I heard that men don't get enough compliments.
	So now I go out of my way to compliment men.
	Let's see.
	Oh, word.
	Good.
	That's good.
	Oh.
	Wrapping up on my ideal woman.
	No plastic surgery.
	What else?
	Probably I prefer more introverted women.
	That's pretty much it.
	There's some other stuff too, but we'll move on.
	So what is it?
	Huh?
	What's the other stuff?
	Why don't you want to share the other stuff?
	What's the other stuff that you like?
	Oh, on my list?
	Okay, fuck.
	I mean, I can keep reading.
	How long are you reading this?
	Okay, so let's find.
	I'll go a little bit more into depth on the no plastic surgery thing.
	I also prefer minimal makeup or no makeup at all.
	When it comes to plastic surgery, some guys disagree with me on this.
	But for example, and I'll go bullet point on this.
	Breast implants.
	I would prefer a woman who, let's say she had small breasts or they were uneven or lopsided, whatever they may be.
	I would prefer a woman who had small breasts or totally flat over fake tits.
	Perfect fake tits.
	I'd prefer her how she was, even if she was totally flat, totally flat.
	Let's talk about liposuction.
	I would prefer a girl who had a little bit of belly fat over a girl who had that lipo belly.
	I think the lipo belly, it looks really uncanny.
	I've seen it.
	I knew a girl who actually like was really fit, but like, listen, I don't care who you are.
	Most people, like, if you bend over a little bit, unless like you're a you're a genetic phenom like her over here, if you bend over, like, you're gonna have a little bit of like a little chub, you know?
	So I would prefer a girl who has a little bit of belly fat, a little chub, over the lipo belly.
	What else?
	Fake lips.
	I'd prefer a girl who has a small upper lip than the fake, fake lip.
	And then the other one, BBL, I'd prefer a girl who's just totally flat, but over BBL.
	I just fuck BBLs.
	They're killing women left and right.
	True.
	Yeah, I don't think it looks good.
	Fuck BBL.
	I think it looks good.
	No, I did a speech class in college and I did this research and literally BBLs are the absolute worst fucking possible.
	It's really bad.
	Horrible.
	You got to earn it.
	You've got to earn it.
	It's also not, I don't want to say it's not difficult, but almost anybody can achieve a better body just by going to the gym.
	I agree.
	It's like crazy the amount of excuses you hear from people who don't work out.
	It's just a shortcut.
	Yeah, it's upsetting almost.
	Women want these unrealistic beauty standards and I think men tend to gawk after that because of the corn industry.
	Because they see these super fake women and think that that's what they want when in reality they're way more physically attracted to a natural looking woman.
	Oh yeah, you know what's crazy is that there's all these women with BBLs, but like for example on TikTok, I see most men like dying over like for example Anade Armas.
	That's her name right?
	Anada Armas.
	Okay yeah.
	Yeah, girl in Blade Runner.
	And she's just like just looks completely natural.
	And she's a very pretty girl.
	She looks like almost like an attainable beauty.
	Right.
	But there's also those guys who like die over Kylie Jenner.
	Yeah, which yeah, honestly, it's probably the type of men that you wouldn't associate exactly.
	And the American beauty standard is always changing.
	Like at first 2008, it was Via Victoria's Secret Model Stick Thin and then it went to curvy hips and now everyone's on Ozimpic poisoning themselves to look skinny again.
	And so it's like, as women, why don't we just embrace our natural femininity and being natural and being beautiful in our own selves instead of allowing social media, allowing the fake influencer culture, and allowing even sometimes men to change the way that we look for ourselves when you're really not pleasing yourself at all.
	I saw this.
	Absolutely.
	I saw this Twitter post and it was a picture of me and a picture of another girl who was, for lack of better words, again, chunky-ish.
	Like it was considered like thick, but in my opinion, it was a little bigger.
	And everybody in the comment, it was like, choose one.
	You know what I mean?
	Like a fit girl or someone who's thick.
	And everyone in the comments chose the more thick woman because that account had a certain demographic versus there was another account that posted the same thing and everybody was on my side because it was a different demographic.
	That's interesting.
	It's almost as if beauty is not objective.
	Yeah, beauty for sure is objective, and I do think there's a scale.
	What is that thing called?
	The Fibonacci or the golden ratio?
	The golden ratio.
	I mean, there's that.
	I saw that in Playboy when I was getting a lot of plastic surgery, I was very obsessed with it.
	like i want my face to look like the golden ray and i would i would just sit there and then i would go to the dance club to try to earn the money to go back to the and i was like this is so silly like Like, I'm obsessed with this.
	And that's.
	What work have you had done on your face?
	And is it still, is it something that like fades over time?
	Or is it like, is your current face now pretty comparable to how it was?
	No.
	I think that, so growing up, I didn't feel very pretty.
	So I was like, okay, when I discovered that I could just earn money and change my whole face, I was like, great.
	And then when you're in, you know, modeling, you're like, everyone's doing it.
	This is great.
	So I would get cheek fillers.
	Like, I would say on my face alone, I had spent about $55,000 over my entire course of my life.
	What have you had?
	Fillers.
	I would get my lips so big because I wanted to be like, you know, Angelina Jolie.
	I wanted to get my cheeks higher.
	And then I got fillers here.
	I would get my teeth, you know, the teeth, which I'm okay with the teeth.
	I like those fillers.
	Yeah, they do look cute.
	I was really, I feel like out of all my purchases, that was okay because that really helped my confidence.
	But was it all just on your face?
	It was all on my face only.
	I said, I want to have a pretty face because I never felt like I had one.
	So I paid, you know, but then it turned into like, I look at old pictures of myself and I'm like, who is that?
	Like, and I'm just like, I'm so glad I let it go down.
	And I'm like, okay, maybe I'll get a little Botox here and there if I feel like it's kind of getting too much, but I don't will never go to the other side.
	I'm just going to excessive.
	Would you say that how you look now is fairly different or is it pretty minimal?
	It's still different than what I looked like before.
	But is it, I mean, is it a pretty minimal change or is it pretty substantial?
	Oh, like from.
	You're wearing no surgery to now.
	No, so like those?
	I do.
	Do you want to go on Instagram or no?
	No, I took them down.
	I do.
	I wish I could show you on my phone what it looked like.
	There was one picture I had and if I could find it, I don't know if we have the time, but I would and I'd show.
	Did you get the nose drop too or no?
	No, I did.
	I got nose filler.
	I would keep getting it filled because I had a hump in my nose.
	And I remember I had everyone be like, you have a five head.
	And I would always have like the lines.
	I had five lines in my head.
	And so I'd fill them and I filled.
	And on my eyebrows, I tattooed them on.
	It was like, I filled under the eyes.
	I ended up getting migraines from the filler right here.
	And yeah, and then they took it out and it went all the way after they took it out.
	I was like, dang, I had crazy migraines for like two years.
	Yeah.
	So I'll send you a picture, though.
	You'll see.
	Send it right now.
	Or do you have your phone on?
	Never mind.
	I didn't know how to do it.
	I'll look at that after the show.
	It's insane.
	In any case, it's hard for me to compare, but I actually just like looking at you.
	I do think you have, I mean, I don't know how much of it is the plastic surgery.
	I actually think you have a very aesthetic face.
	Oh, thank you.
	Solid face.
	Thank you.
	Great face.
	I'm part native, so maybe it's that.
	Could be.
	Could be.
	Okay, I don't know where we were.
	Oh, I was just going to say one thing about body size and things like that.
	Whenever I posed before and afters of like whenever I was like a little bit on the thicker side to like where I am now or where I got to, which was a lot more like even fit and like lean, I guess, than I am now.
	A lot of men would be like, oh, I actually really preferred you before.
	And I'll just be like, you know, I'll put another post and be like, oh, the fact is I feel so much better and healthier and stronger and agile and all these other things more.
	But yeah, I think it's just like a reminder, like we have to do what feels good for us.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We have a message here.
	The Chris Tubbs donated 69 more gone.
	How'd you say anything, Morgan?
	It's just Morgan.
	Oh, okay.
	You are making a lot of great points and have a great demeanor.
	Love what you're doing.
	Keep it up.
	Thanks, Chris.
	Thank you, Chris.
	Appreciate it.
	Let me get through these chats.
	We have, oh, the prepper thing.
	Prepper, did you answer?
	Yeah, I said she has answers.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think green flag overall, as long as it's not like your obsession.
	But yeah, overall, for sure.
	Green flag bonus points if you have a bunker.
	Based on it.
	Green flag.
	I'd love to feel protected and know that my man is ready to save us.
	Frankie, Frankie.
	Get on it.
	Get that bunker going.
	Okay.
	Yo, Puffy, thank you, man.
	I've had blank with over 300 women.
	Some of them are on my ellipses.
	I would like this panel to rate me.
	I have no trouble meeting women every blank of my life.
	Puffy, you got to do the trigger, man, if you want the rating.
	You got to do it through Streamlabs, brother.
	Cowboys click.
	Brian, you ruled Matt.
	You rule.
	Maddie is a nine.
	Girl in the pink top, you need help.
	Older lady in the purple top, Jesus loves you.
	Girl in the glasses, brush your hair.
	White shirt girl, grow a voice.
	They want to hear more from you.
	Okay, guys, I'll try.
	If they let me, if they let me speak.
	Blue top, you're kind of cute.
	Oh, she left.
	Oh, she dipped.
	Oh, this came in like right when she left.
	We got Puffy Vegas here.
	No man wants a boss, babe.
	We want peace and wives.
	I'm telling you, I don't care what you've been told.
	We don't want.
	Hello?
	Women want.
	We want peace.
	If you want to get a job, it does not mean anything.
	We want women to be women who are peace.
	Okay, thank you, Puffy Vegas.
	This is BS.
	I'm 48, and 20-year-old offer me ellipses every day.
	Ellipses is three dots, right?
	Am I?
	What is that?
	Ellipses?
	Am I going to be a little bit more?
	And ellipses is three.
	That's two.
	Ellipses?
	I think that's what it is.
	The mission from speech or writing of word or words that are superfluous or able to be understood from contextual clues.
	A set of dots indicating an ellipse.
	Okay, I don't know.
	Whatever.
	Question to the panel: why do women lie about Puffy, brother?
	I know you're in Vegas, dude.
	He didn't know how to spell words, so he just put WN.
	It looks like he has 300 bodies from his profile.
	Yeah, I was looking at the two girls on him.
	Look at him.
	He says, I'm a 48-year-old, 20-plus girls.
	Ask me out every day.
	Ask the panel, would they date a 50-year-old plus guy?
	I did, I guess.
	Well, some of the girls kind of already touched on this, but would you date a guy who's 50-plus?
	No.
	At this point, no.
	I mean, I guess I did.
	So, I mean, yeah.
	No.
	Maybe about 50 if just everything was so perfect and he had a lot of money or something.
	But otherwise, I think 24 years difference is like a little bit much.
	Because then what about when I get older and then I'm alone?
	Fair enough.
	As a 23-year-old, my max would be 35.
	That's fair.
	Narr.
	Nar.
	Brad Pitt, though, any of you?
	Come on.
	Realistically, like, not just hypothetically, like, realistically, like, no, he's still a 50-year-old man.
	He's a very good man.
	He's very beautiful, but he is a gorgeous man, but he's old enough to be my father.
	Exactly.
	I'd fuck him.
	I wouldn't date him.
	You'd fuck Brad Pitt, but you wouldn't date him?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	What's up?
	I agree that he's very beautiful, but he is too old.
	Come on.
	Brad Pitt steps to you.
	The cameras are flashing paparazzi wild peace.
	I feel like entertain it for a second and flash a smile or whatever, but not sleep with him.
	Yeah, nothing about that.
	What about the Caprio?
	No, that's not.
	I hate not age as well.
	That's terrible.
	What about Henry Cavill?
	Henry Cowell.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's old this time.
	Oh, okay, God.
	He's not 50.
	Why is he?
	I don't think he's not.
	Being wilder was attractive as an older man.
	I was just thinking of him.
	He's 40.
	He's wilder.
	I did.
	I was so attractive.
	One at a time, please.
	Okay, he's attractive.
	Like, I'm.
	I don't.
	I don't.
	I don't think I would date him.
	Come on.
	But he's very attractive, I'm not going to lie.
	And he seems very nice.
	How old is Henry Cowbell?
	Okay, I still just I don't think I'd be able to get past the idea that they're old enough to like literally be my father Like, that would be a good idea.
	Yeah, I guess.
	40 is close to the cap off.
	I feel like I wouldn't sleep with somebody randomly.
	But hypothetically, if I were to, my cap off would probably be like 38, like later 30s, right?
	I feel like that's reaching out.
	That's an extreme scenario where they're like a 10 out of 10 most gorgeous man in the world.
	But like, yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's try to wrap up on a few of the threads that we started before.
	So, and then we'll try to wrap up here shortly.
	One hour later.
	Oh, here we go.
	Thank you, man.
	Matthew McCarthy donated $106.
	Hey, thank you, Matthew.
	Last one for the night to make it an even $700.
	Panel, please rate Brian 1 to 10 and myself.
	I sent my fasting transformation to the whatever ink.
	£290 down to £230.
	I love you, Boo Vala.
	See you later.
	Brian, please walk her to her car for me.
	I just walk her to her car.
	No, no.
	Okay, he wants the panel.
	Oh, okay.
	Hold on.
	Valdev donated $100.
	Hey, Valdia.
	Puffy drunk tourists don't mean anything, and for God's sake, use the Steamer Labs link.
	Mods spam that cheese, PLS.
	Can we got more muscle mommy hey pulls go?
	I have more characters.
	Lock our Ogar.
	He wants another flex, I think.
	He wants more flex.
	Oh, we've done like all the poses with us.
	What else can I do?
	What about like turning around and then like the steamer?
	You can tell me what pose next donation.
	How about that?
	Oh, yeah.
	There you go.
	It is a reminder, guys.
	You can use YouTube super chatting.
	It's fine.
	But for those who haven't heard the intro, YouTube takes a 30% cut.
	So if you donate $100, they're taking $30 of that.
	Obviously, YouTube doesn't need the money.
	You're just putting it into the pockets of woke YouTube.
	So if you want more of your patronage to actually go towards me, we do recommend using the Streamlabs link.
	That way, you know, you're actually more of your donation, let's say, is actually going to support us.
	And I just actually bought a new camera.
	We're going to set up a fourth camera.
	Spent like $2,000 on that.
	So, you know, I'm reinvesting.
	I'm not, I don't ball out, guys.
	I'm not like out there spending crazy money.
	I reinvest the money back into the studio.
	You know, we just bought a new computer like two months ago, new camera.
	Um, so I'm still driving the same car I drove in 2013.
	I'm wearing five-dollar t-shirts, flannels, you know, whatever.
	I'm not trying to, like, I'm not balling out.
	You know, I'm I reinvest into the uh show.
	So, Valdiv, thank you.
	Loch Loch Tar Ogar, I think that's a World of Warcraft reference.
	Um, and then we have Matthew McCarthy.
	Oh, yeah, I guess you guys have to rate me uh one to ten.
	So, uh, man, you don't have to, but he, if you want, you can you can rate me one to ten.
	I won't be offended.
	So, after the big labias matter, I'm gonna give you a nine.
	Based.
	Okay, there you go.
	Go ahead.
	You guys can rate me.
	It looked like a billion bucks.
	Okay.
	This might be a cop-out from everybody, but go ahead.
	Boyfriend, I don't feel comfortable.
	So do I. Sorry.
	So give me a solid seven.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	I'm not going to rate.
	All right.
	They're being, they want to be nice.
	Well, since it was Matt who asked, I'll definitely rate you.
	Are we going only on looks or everything?
	I think just looks.
	Okay, looks like 7.9.
	Yeah.
	But I think I'm taking everything into account, like sliding on dizzily.
	But yeah, no, I think it's seven.
	I found the picture.
	I think you lowball yourself with the picture.
	Here, I'll take a look.
	That's hot.
	But okay, that's you're you're taking a selfie with the wither.
	But that's the first time.
	This was with a lot of filler.
	This wasn't at my worst, but this was at a point where I did.
	Yeah, but there's something to be said about the focal length of cameras.
	Like if you're taking a photo, like from first off, the what's it called?
	When you're taking a photo like this, like what's the uh hero shot kind of thing?
	Or no, when the front-facing camera on your phone, it's like not gonna take a good photo of your face because you're the focal length is really close.
	So I'm not gonna use that.
	I'm looking at the ghost in here.
	I just saw the bathroom door open.
	Oh, that was me.
	I closed.
	Oh, I use the restroom.
	No, but I swear I just saw it open right now, and now I'm too scared to go.
	The window's open.
	No.
	It's fine.
	Don't worry about it.
	It's a breeze, babe.
	Nick, I need you to walk me to the bathroom.
	I actually have to peepee.
	Oh, she's.
	Okay, you go first.
	Let me know.
	Oh, wait, I'm so sorry.
	Yeah, this is all good.
	Oh, I guess we have to do well.
	We will do an Instagram review on your.
	You want to pull it up?
	Just.
	I would.
	Okay.
	We'll do it.
	I believe in ghosts, guys.
	Ghosts are real.
	Let me see if I can pull it up.
	But wait, what was the other thing we had?
	Man, there's so we have to react to a couple videos too here.
	Okay.
	We have some videos to react to.
	Music videos?
	Wait, I don't.
	Wait.
	Is it in the request?
	What's your boyfriend's name?
	Matthew James McCarthy?
	Yes.
	Wait.
	He sent me a bunch of stuff.
	He sent me photos of you.
	I'm confused.
	Oh, you're like fixing fasting.
	I sent my fasting transformation to 290 pounds.
	Nick, do you have the Instagram pulled up?
	I do, but it's just other messages.
	Do you want me to like you have to go into message requests?
	Did you notice a lot of difference with your fasting?
	That's how the fucking stuff.
	Oh, oh, you can tell me after.
	Because it regulated, like, yeah.
	Crazy.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, let's.
	Just it's in the messages, though, which makes it kind of a little.
	Hold on, let me see what I can do here.
	Oh, it's a post.
	Just click on the post, his body transformation post.
	Well, he wanted us to react to that.
	Genuinely scared.
	Click, click on it.
	So you clicked on it, right?
	Yeah.
	Reddit?
	Oh, can you move us over?
	You know how to do it and just like hide the.
	Do you want me to draw it?
	No, there should be another, I think, scroll up in the sources.
	Oh, that's it.
	Or scroll down in this.
	Scroll, wait, scroll up.
	Oh.
	We can't really.
	Oh, wow.
	Wow, he did a good transformation.
	The bottom.
	The GH5 center.
	No, no, no, the up one, up one, up one.
	Yeah, that one.
	And then just hide the other one.
	Looks good.
	All right.
	Okay, that's his body transformation.
	10.
	Nice.
	Yeah, it looks good.
	It looks like he.
	How long did how long?
	Was that transformation?
	The lighting's a little different in all the photos, though, I will say.
	What I don't like in these workout supplement things.
	They are like, look at this transformation and the fucking photos, like different lighting and like different things.
	You have to take it in the exact same location, exact same lighting, exact same pose.
	Otherwise, it's like, I'm not saying he's doing it, but like it's scummy when these like people who are selling fucking workout programs are like taking it.
	It looks like a good transformation.
	Fucking Chad, bro.
	Look at this Chad.
	He's fucking ripped.
	Yeah.
	He looks great in the zombie apocalypse.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	He looks good.
	You're a fucking Chad, dude.
	Okay.
	So let's.
	I want to try to loop this in as best as we can.
	We have some videos to react to.
	So I want to touch really quick.
	We were talking about the age gap stuff.
	We didn't quite totally finish that.
	Let's talk a little bit about that.
	I'm trying to recall where I was with that.
	If I recall, though, you think it's weird, the age gap stuff.
	Wait, well, when it comes to wanting a virgin and whatnot, and I guess if it's too large of a gap, I think it's weird.
	I don't think.
	Yeah, there's two things there.
	Well, I do recall, actually, let me, I forgot if this was in relation to the age gap stuff or the virgin stuff.
	The virgin, probably.
	It might have been both, but at one point you used the word grooming.
	Yes.
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean by grooming?
	What does that mean?
	I mean, grooming is interchangeable with being manipulative.
	I do think that someone, a man of, especially if you're 50 plus, dating a 20-year-old, 19-year-old, 21-year-old, it's definitely grooming.
	Although I don't think.
	It's definitely grooming.
	I mean, yeah, because, I mean, okay, fine, maybe not.
	When you were a sugar baby, do you think you were monetarily manipulated to continue to press into that relationship?
	I actually felt that I was kind of more in control.
	Us finessing them, honestly, when I was a sugar baby.
	But that's a different dynamic than someone like marrying or like being serious with a.
	Couldn't you make the argument that it's more predatory to because I mean you admitted it yourself.
	You said you were finessing.
	100%.
	How were you finessing?
	Because, I don't know, I made it seem like I liked them when I really didn't.
	In an effort to get money, yes.
	To get money.
	Yes.
	To in an effort to there's a specific term for it, but it's evading me.
	To acquire.
	Acquired.
	In any case, okay, so not extorting.
	Not extorting.
	No, no, I never extorted anybody.
	No.
	Like elder abuse?
	I was just, I was, well, well, it's a thing in, in, in life insurance.
	They had us read a script so that they said you have to make sure people over the age of X amount, you must read them a script because anybody.
	I was wondering.
	But you know what?
	There's arguments.
	I mean, also, like, these are my experiences.
	I think there's people who would argue that maybe I was taking advantage of.
	I think maybe you would probably say that I, as a young woman, was taken advantage of, right?
	Well, I felt a different way.
	And, you know, it is what it is.
	I'm not going to agree or disagree with either.
	I mean, I obviously feel the way I feel.
	So.
	Okay, I mean, but you said that you were with these men to get hold on.
	Valdev donated $100 from CPT Morgan Pose and fellas like Flannel Davis.
	Get traded.
	The last chat also 5 to 10 years is optimal age gap for a real build-a-life relationship.
	I mean, I don't know.
	It's hard to say what's optimal, but I don't know if it's optimal.
	I just think people make choices, and some people end up with people closer to their age.
	Some people end up with people there's a bit more of an age gap.
	So, yeah, I don't know.
	But, okay, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	What was the pose he wanted?
	I'll have her do it when she comes back.
	Captain Morgan pose.
	Oh.
	Oh, I think I know what it is.
	Oh, like the liquor?
	Yeah, with the story.
	Like that, yeah, yeah.
	She's got that.
	Yeah, so I mean, you could actually make the argument that there's a lot more women who are, I mean, these financial relationships, there's definitely a the men are will, I don't know, it's hard to say.
	Because I believe in accountability.
	The men, they're spending all this money on women, oftentimes getting very little in return.
	They're consensually doing it.
	There may be some degree of manipulation involved.
	Scamming and whatnot.
	I mean, we've, we've, like, yeah, there's definitely, I do think there is some manipulation.
	Yeah.
	But, I mean, I think there's a quite a fair amount of women who are doing that sort of shit.
	Yeah, I mean, I would say who are hustling dudes.
	Yeah, and I would agree, but not as many as you would think.
	I mean, not nearly as many.
	I mean, like, what percentage of women do you think are doing that?
	Oh, I don't know.
	But I think it's not that hard.
	I would say, though, I would say that there's probably, I mean, there's obviously scales to it.
	Depending on what city you're in, do in Las Vegas, yeah.
	I mean, fucking Santa Rosa.
	No.
	Casino, Robert De Niro, Sharon Stone.
	But I would say, actually, though, that there's scales to it.
	For example, like how many women are like fleecing men out of their serious fucking money.
	That's probably pretty small.
	However, like on a more lower scale, you have women who are engaging in like foodie calls where they go on a date with a guy just to get a free meal or a free experience.
	They did a study on that.
	I think they did a study on that, and they found it was like one-third of women have done the foodie call.
	Yeah, and actually, because that's accessible to just like any girl on Twitter.
	Yeah, no, I agree with that.
	I'm not for that at all.
	We've had girls on the show, like normal 19-year-old girls, college girls.
	Like openly admit.
	1,000 followers on Instagram, just regular run-of-the-mill college girls.
	Yeah, I have a dude in my phone as Uber.
	I have a dude in my phone as dinner.
	Like, there's.
	That's shitty.
	That's crazy.
	We've, it's pretty common.
	No, I mean, girls have been abusing, I think, their femininity and using guys for the wrong reason.
	No, and I'm not okay with that.
	What I was talking about was like bigger than that.
	I mean, I don't, I'm not for that.
	I mean, I don't like to use guys, you know, that you admit to have done it.
	Older men with millions of dollars.
	You can't compare that.
	I mean, plus, they are.
	No, accountability.
	Still doing it.
	No.
	How?
	You admitted to like using men.
	No, I admitted to having a pay pig who knows that he's my pay pig that I.
	It's pretty degrading.
	He wants to be degraded.
	He pays for it.
	That's what he pays for.
	But you could argue that you're taking advantage of that.
	There's a distinction between sex work and dating than in real life dating.
	Like what I'm doing is essentially sex work.
	I mean, this guy knows what he is.
	I always wanted to know the psychology of a pay pig, just out of curiosity.
	Like I tried to look up, you know, out of curiosity, the dominatrix thing.
	I tried to look it up, but I don't have the, I'm very, I don't think I have the type, but I was curious about it.
	He came to me.
	Yeah, they, like, ask him.
	Like, that, I have, I've never, like, felt like I used him for anything.
	Like, he has come to me the entire time.
	What you're talking about is women who are on Tinder with men their own age and their own socioeconomic.
	Well, I'm talking about both.
	Both.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but there's a huge distinction between the two.
	I mean, there's sex work and then there's dating.
	Like.
	One time when I was at the.
	You know what there is it's.
	Is it sex work?
	If it, it is with the with the dominant term one days.
	I'm just.
	But I don't.
	I don't get why, on one hand, you don't seem to object to like these men are just sending you money.
	Because I can say you're saying you're not using him for anything, but you are using him for his money.
	Say, if he didn't have money you wouldn't be with him.
	Let's use that argument.
	I'm not with him, but okay.
	But you have been with him.
	I'm not with.
	I've never been with him.
	I never, I never met.
	Wait, who are we talking?
	Hold on.
	But you said that the men consent to just sending you money and getting nothing or little in return.
	Couldn't you make that same exact argument?
	Hold on, let me finish.
	Couldn't you make that same exact argument about a woman who's 21?
	She's engaging in a consensual relationship with say, a guy who's 35?
	Well, one thing is a, why is it that one's a profession and one is is a service and one's not a service?
	Like what I provided is a service.
	It's crazy to me like a lot of these girls would rather see an 18 year old do only fans and do porn, than be in a loving, caring relationship with a guy who's 10 years her senior, like that's to me.
	It's fucking blows my mind that so many women object to like age gap relationships.
	Oh, he's 10 years older Than you, even though you're an adult and you can join the military and go get fucking blasted, whatever it is.
	You can sign legally binding contracts.
	You can get six figures of college debt.
	But if you're in a consensual, loving relationship with someone who's 10 years older than you, then it's a I was more concerned.
	I said 50 and 18.
	That's why I was like, well, that's a little weird.
	But like, 10 years is fine.
	Like, I have no issue with 10 years.
	I mean, you're kind of walking back what you said, but I'm pretty sure.
	No, I said nothing about it.
	Running the conversation, I'm sure if you would have had an issue between 18 and 28.
	No.
	I specifically said.
	18 and 35.
	How about that?
	No.
	Really?
	No, I never said that.
	I mean.
	Run the footage.
	But you said, okay, well, there was a virgin component too.
	You were like.
	Yeah, well, that's completely different.
	So I feel like we're talking about so many different things at once.
	I'm talking about like my work as a like dominatrix, whatever you want to call it, versus like people dating.
	And the two are just simply not comparable.
	Maybe you think they are, but I mean, someone who's experienced in both of these things are not comparable.
	One's personal, one's work.
	I mean, it's just shocking to me, though, is like how many people are ready to defend like a woman at 18 starting in OnlyFans, but like if she's.
	I don't defend that.
	I never did.
	Well, okay, maybe not you, but like it's fine if a woman at 18 starts in OnlyFans, but if she wants to date a guy who's 30, oh my god.
	No, I don't, I mean, as long as the age of consent is there, I just think it's worth when a 50-year-old wants to fuck an 18-year-old virgin.
	Sorry for the F-word.
	Okay, I mean, yeah, I don't know.
	That's like, or just I want to be with an 18, 20-year-old.
	That's like a huge difference between.
	Well, hot take.
	I mean, hot take here.
	While, I mean, I don't, to me, it makes sense like a 50-year-old dating a 20-year-old.
	Okay.
	I mean, why?
	Because at 50 years old, if he can get, like, here's the thing: very few 50-year-old men, as we just, I mean, we went around the table on this.
	Like, most 50-year-old men are not going to be attractive to a woman who's 20 or 21.
	I mean, if you're, if he's still in good shape, whatever, he's wealthy, and he can secure a relationship with someone younger, go for it.
	Yeah, for me, it's not really like attraction.
	I feel like older guys, like 50 sometimes are actually really attractive to me.
	I think it's more just like when I'm 50, they're like about to die, possibly.
	Well, yeah, obviously, like, but yeah, sure.
	No, I get what you're saying.
	Like, let's say long-term relationship.
	Like, it actually is a fairly good argument, like, for a woman who's like, wants a serious long-term relationship, wants marriage.
	Like, if you're 21 and you're thinking about dating a 50-year-old by the, and if you want to have kids, like, he could be like, obviously, I think it's totally legit if you want to date someone around your age range so that you guys can grow old together and you know, like that, that's actually probably a very strong argument to be made.
	But, like, if that's what both the people are.
	But it cares your age.
	That always creeped me out when I would, especially when I was a stripper and whatnot, like, when I would, you know, have sugar daddies who had daughters my age.
	I was like, Yeah, I think that's very fetishy.
	It's disgusting.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I would say I got the money and it was fine, like, at the end of the day, but like, I would never date them or taking them seriously.
	Like, it's gross.
	Yeah, but you're still condoning their behavior, you know, by entertaining them.
	Would you not say so?
	I mean, sure, but like, if it's not me, it would be somebody else.
	And I'm trying to get paid for that.
	So you're just going to deny accountability and be like, if it wasn't, I did not deny accountability.
	I just said that I think it's gross and I still got paid.
	It's gross, but it's fine because you got paid.
	Yeah, 100%.
	How is that fine?
	So you were experiencing something that you feel is gross, but it's okay because you got money from it.
	What kind of fulfillment does that bring you?
	My bank account?
	Like, what do you mean?
	I think money is way more fulfilling when it's hard-earned.
	Let's just say that.
	Oh, so you feel like sex work isn't a hard-working industry?
	I'm not saying it's not a hard-working industry.
	I just think it's a sad industry.
	I'm not going to lie.
	And that's fine.
	I mean, you can feel that way, but you just said, oh, like, you feel like money is better, like, you feel better when you earn it and you like work hard for it.
	I mean, I worked very hard for my money when I was dancing.
	So.
	Maybe, okay, maybe hard-earned was the wrong term, but maybe getting that money.
	I mean, maybe getting that money.
	No, you can feel disgusted by it, and that's fine, but I didn't do it for you.
	I did it for me.
	I never said that you did it for me.
	I felt like, no, I'm saying that like the guys who are into it, like, yeah, they're gross, but I'm fine with what I did.
	So you're just going to take advantage of them.
	Exactly.
	Like, what the fuck?
	But you're condoning their terrible behavior, so then they go and continue to do it.
	And you are denying accountability by saying that they're going to go do it anyway.
	So you're just going to make the problem worse by doing it.
	So you're basically advocating for the consumer.
	I am.
	Yeah, and I think that if you, but you're like, you're advocating for something that you think is gross.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah, basically, yeah.
	Because it gives you money.
	It's gross for them.
	It's not gross for me.
	Yes, it is.
	But it is still gross.
	Yeah, it's gross for you.
	It'll still benefit them.
	Off of this sets back everybody.
	Not just you.
	You are affecting everybody, even people who aren't participating in the same culture.
	It sets back every woman around you, whether you think it does or not.
	I mean, cry me a fucking river.
	I don't care.
	That's your response?
	So youth, yeah.
	I mean, honestly, I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, I don't know what you want.
	Do you mean to feel bad that these people are not going to be able to do that?
	So let's just say you're sad entirely.
	It seems like you have a low moral standing.
	And to be completely honest with you, this isn't a very intelligent take from you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Feel that way then.
	And you're entitled to your opinion.
	And so are you.
	I'll just say about a year into moving to Los Angeles, I was at a Super Bowl party and a guy, like definitely above 50, maybe 55 or so, just sat next to me and just started counting hundreds.
	And he was like, so what's it going to be weekly?
	So yeah, they do make it really easy.
	But yeah, then I didn't.
	I just said, I just walked away.
	Actually, I didn't say anything because I was like, I was like 19, I think.
	And I just walked away.
	But yeah, I mean, I don't know.
	I think that whatever.
	It definitely goes both ways.
	Whatever intention that you put out there, it will come back.
	Like in a sense, where if you're like, hey, this person's hurting, they went through a divorce.
	I'm going to be there for them.
	I'm going to see them, but I'm going to genuinely see them.
	Like, I want to be right there.
	But then if there is that like iniquity, I guess, it really, like, I want to get over on them.
	What could happen is that could happen, come around in your life somewhere, and you'll be like, how did that happen?
	You know, I think just intention.
	I think if you put it in.
	But if they come to me, how is that inequitable?
	Because you're getting into it.
	You're allowing it to happen.
	I mean, you guys, what if I lost in the hat?
	I was young.
	I was in the middle of the day.
	you allowed the sex work industry to pray into you as a young girl to then continue down the path which enabled you to later in your life become a stripper instead of my life I was a stripper when I was 18 to 20 which Which is sad.
	Which is sad.
	That's what I'm getting at.
	It's like, you were 18 years old.
	That's why I hope that the sex work industry becomes more holistic over time.
	I hope in the next 10 to 15 years it really takes a change and things start happening where people are like.
	Holistic spiritual sexuality.
	I don't agree with that at all because how are you going to take an industry of men paying women to sleep with them and make it this healing experience when in reality I think our society more than anything lacks God?
	Obviously, that's in my personal opinion, being a Christian.
	I mean, there's so many people that are just so morally lost where you said you started stripping when you were 18 years old.
	I don't think any woman should ever look to that and be like, this is super glorifying in society and this is the right thing for me to do.
	And it makes me sad that women in our society are lied to so much that they turn to OnlyFans.
	They turn to selling their bodies on the internet for the male gaze, profiting off of that and continuing.
	Not only it lowers their self-esteem, women mentally are becoming unhealthier and higher body counts and then less desirable as life goes on to where you're essentially women are ruining their lives.
	I've never had an issue getting a boyfriend, so I don't know what you mean by less desirable.
	I've had this is my first year being single.
	I've been having had a boyfriend the entire time.
	I don't know what I'm talking about.
	What's the quality of the men you're dating?
	I was going to say, what is the high value seeking out?
	What's your definition of high?
	See, I don't prescribe to that high value thing.
	I mean, I just like someone that I get along with.
	But don't you think, like, back to the dating scale that there is something as a high-value woman, that there are women that are more valuable in the dating sphere, so then there's also men that are more valuable?
	I mean, I guess, but not person to person.
	I mean, in general, people tend to date.
	Brandon Mills donated $100.
	Champagne.
	The only time I would ever pay for someone like you is donating a grand for Brian to kick you off the show for this sad mindset.
	You're promoting a disgusting lifestyle.
	Oh, wow.
	They're going in.
	I never promoted it.
	I'm literally just talking about my experience.
	I never said that this was the right choice.
	I said that I'm okay with it, that I'm not ashamed of what I've done.
	And that's pretty much like where I left it.
	Well, you were promoting older men fetishes.
	Fetishizing women who are the age of their children.
	Because I took the money.
	No, I was horrified.
	I literally said that I thought it was gross, but I took the money.
	Like, what does that have to do?
	You are allowing the behavior.
	It's like a bouncer at the bar being like, oh, I'm not supposed to let you in, but you're going to pay me, but I'm going to let you in.
	But it's not right.
	But that's what I was there for.
	Because you're acting.
	That's what you were there for?
	Men.
	Fetishizing younger women that are the age of their children.
	Acknowledge their children.
	It was literally my job.
	You didn't have to be there if you didn't want the men to have to do that.
	You didn't have to be a stripper.
	And on top of that, you didn't have to start an outside of work relationship with this man where it was a monetary gain for you.
	If you had an 18-year-old girl sitting in front of you and asking, hey, I want to get into the stripping industry because I really am trying to chase that bag, would you encourage her to do that?
	Honestly, at this point, no.
	Only because ever since COVID happened, the industry has totally changed.
	In what way?
	In a good way or a bad way?
	In a bad way.
	the money's not like how it used to be um a lot of girls are so if the money was how it used to be Yeah, I would.
	Okay, can I share my experience of my first time at a strip club?
	Please?
	As a what?
	A strip club?
	A strip club.
	As a patron, right?
	You came as a patron?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So.
	You were a stripper?
	No, I was not.
	Yeah, I was when I was wounded.
	We went for her birthday after dinner.
	Before you go into that really quick, Valdiv, you were gone when he said this.
	He wants you to do Captain Morgan pose.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then tell us about the strip club situation.
	What is it?
	Captain Morgan pose?
	No, Stan.
	Wait, what?
	Put your foot up on the chair on the chair.
	Like, you're conquering America right now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Yeah.
	All right, there you go.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Your strip club experience.
	Okay.
	First off, I will say it was a lot of fun.
	I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh my God, closer to the moment.
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	First of all, I would like to point out that I was not sitting there and being like, oh my god, this is terrible.
	Well, I was a little bit, but I mean, I did have a good time.
	I did have fun.
	But what I observed is that we came and we sat down and there were girls in the booth or section or whatever.
	And they're really nice and stuff.
	And we were having conversations.
	And then as soon as the money comes out, they're just like in your face.
	Like, you know how a strip club is.
	And then after the money's all on the floor, they just immediately go and pick up the money.
	And it's just, it's almost like a robotic response.
	And it's really sad to see that behavior for that money.
	And then you, after you do that, you literally go on the floor and you pick up the money.
	And I cannot see how that can be empowering, fulfilling, make you feel good about yourself because you are selling your body and that cannot feel good.
	I can never, I can never imagine myself doing that and feeling okay with myself.
	Well, girl, that's fine.
	You don't have to do that.
	Like, I'm not telling you that you should do that.
	Like, that's fine.
	But you are saying that.
	No, I respect how you feel.
	100%.
	That's fine.
	Okay, but you were saying that if a young girl came up to you and asked, do you think this is worth the money?
	You said, if the money was like how it was before COVID, you would say yes.
	Yeah.
	If that's what she wanted to do, yes.
	I don't think that anyone would have to do it.
	But wouldn't you ask her?
	Anybody should do anything that they feel uncomfortable with.
	Like the way that you described it, I would never want you to do that.
	Like that would be horrible.
	But also the insight.
	That's not completely lie.
	It's sometimes, some girls are cut out for it, some aren't, and that's fine.
	Psychologically, if you look at it from a purely scientific perspective, a woman who, sorry, a woman who is willing to or has convinced themselves that those things are fulfilling, there is something fundamentally incorrect.
	There is, I don't know a better word to use other than damage or trauma or something that induces that in them.
	And if you disagree with me, it's like it's, I'm just telling you, it's purely scientific.
	You can look at any study that just, let's say, promiscuity is a general term.
	It signifies that.
	Being a stripper isn't being promiscuous.
	No 18-year-old wakes up one day and says, I'm going to take off my clothes and be a stripper for money.
	Like, that's just not reality.
	And it is a psychological fact that there is damage there and trauma that these women who are doing this, it feels like a last resort option for a lot of women because they have nothing else that they feel like that they can fall back on.
	And then even tying this to trafficking, even like there's so much going on.
	How is what you said?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just saying, how is I really feel you guys and I see and I hear you like you're coming from a certain point of view, but like it's it's really ignorant.
	Like you guys really don't know anything about women who do sex work.
	Well maybe you do Ariel, you just were called ignorant.
	Would you like to respond to that?
	I feel like we're not being ignorant.
	We're just considering your opinions because you keep saying, oh, I was disgusted, but those were the best days of my life.
	I'm so glad I got over it.
	But I like, you're just like kind of reiterating your arguments.
	So we're just pretty much every woman that I've met that does sex work either they acknowledge that it's wrong and they want to stop or they are They have a lot of trauma.
	They have a lot of trauma that they need to address I think that going back to what you said when you said oh if an 18 year old said hey I'm gonna get this bag if like that was like I can't have kids but if I did and that was my 18 year old and I said I would say get the bag like so are you only doing it for the money?
	Do you care about these men and their emotional state when you're with them?
	Like do you care like genuinely about them?
	Do you care about these relationships that you build because the relationships that you have you're gonna learn how to discard people and when you learn how to discard people you're not gonna have good relationships in your life.
	So if you are going to be a dancer do you genuinely care about people and want to maybe make connections and like have a good like that type of relationship or are you just trying to learn how to discard and be a good responsibility I was a stripper and I like to pole dance.
	I like putting on a performance.
	I mean it was a huge part of my life.
	I mean like I love the glamour.
	I loved like all like all aspects of it.
	Yeah every once in a while I get a gross 50 year old guy that I had to fucking give a lap dance to but it wasn't that big of a fucking deal because it was worth it at the end of the day.
	You can enjoy pole dancing without stripping.
	We take pole dancing.
	I enjoyed both.
	Like what do you mean?
	We know people who do pole dancing as a dance form.
	Like you practice in a studio.
	Yeah, but I learned I learned in the strip club and I like the money aspect.
	Like what do you mean?
	I literally used to get high off of performing on stage because you're getting the money.
	And the performance aspect.
	Like what do you mean?
	Like what I there would be like I've worked in some of the biggest clubs in the country.
	There's a lot of other ways to perform.
	Everything you're saying is getting more and more concerning.
	Psychologically.
	Wait.
	Y'all are just hella judgmental and whatever.
	That's fine.
	That is fine.
	It's fine.
	I'm okay with it.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	Yeah, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	I'm ignorant.
	And it's fine.
	It's fine.
	Totally fine.
	I'll say.
	You're a bit younger than me.
	You don't even know what you're talking about half the time.
	So now because we are younger than you, we don't know what we're talking about.
	You're my little brother's age.
	Wait, okay.
	Hold on.
	Let me come in here really quick.
	You had mentioned at one point because I think it came into, I forgot precisely what the wording was, but you said that you don't have any trouble finding boyfriends.
	Now, perhaps that's congratulations.
	Good for you.
	You don't think there, like, it does limit your dating pool, though, that you're involved in sex work.
	Do you not agree?
	I'm not even involved anymore.
	But yes, I mean, I don't know.
	Even that you were involved in the data.
	And you know what?
	I'm sure it does, but in a way, it kind of it filters out like the assholes.
	I would never want to be with a guy that cares about that or cares about body count.
	Like, and I've never had a guy really care that much about any of it.
	See, don't you think those guys maybe care more about that?
	Like, they care about it because they know how much it matters.
	No, I'm saying that they don't care.
	Like, I've never had a guy care about that.
	Do you want kids?
	Not sure.
	Do you want to get married?
	Do you want to have a life partner?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Maybe I, yeah, I don't know yet.
	Because I mean, I can speak a bit from the guys' perspective.
	Like, there are definitely guys out there that when it comes to casual sex or friends with benefits, maybe even a relationship, maybe they might entertain a girl with, you know, a past like that.
	But I think when it comes to marriage and kids, a lot of men are going to take pause with someone who's been involved with that sort of thing.
	I've ended both of my relationships.
	It was me at the end of the day.
	Like, I've never had an issue.
	Like I could have, honestly, like I could have been married with kids right now, but I chose not to.
	Can I ask why you ended them?
	Honestly, that's, I, I have certain people watching this.
	I don't really want to go into that.
	Well, let's, uh, really quick, just, I'm going to try to move things here along a little bit.
	Just to finally, last thing on the whole, one seg, one sec, guys.
	On the whole virgin age gap thing, I would just, last thing.
	For men, it comes down to hardwired attraction traits.
	It's rooted in biology and evolution.
	It really ultimately comes down to fertility.
	There's a limited fertility window that women have.
	So men are going to skew towards being attracted to more younger women.
	Younger women are more fertile.
	It's hardwired.
	Attraction triggers attraction traits.
	And the same way that women are attracted to tall men, that's a hardwired evolution thing because men who are you're do you disagree about the tall thing?
	You're kind of shaking your head.
	I don't know if you were just moving.
	But look, oh, okay, never mind then.
	Well, in the same way that women like tall men, it's hardwired attraction trigger because a guy who's tall, a guy who's physically large or muscular, whatever it may be, he's more capable of protecting you.
	So that's one of the reasons why women are attracted to tall men.
	Tall, large men.
	I understand the whole evolutionary psychology thing.
	And that's, I mean, that's like a theory.
	Well, let's move on from that.
	Theory?
	Wait, what?
	Oh, psychology is a theory.
	I said evolutionary psychology is.
	Yeah, there's certain theories about how what he was just talking about.
	That's a theory.
	We are literally put on this earth to do one thing, and it is to make more of us.
	That is our biology.
	Gains.
	To get gains.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	And then go to the gym.
	I didn't say that.
	It wasn't a thing.
	I'll say I'm like basically only attracted to men that are older than me.
	So I think there is like something maybe biologically.
	Oh, for sure.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I am attracted to a big tall man because I feel like he can protect me.
	It's that simple.
	Like biologically built in.
	We were attracted to different people, and that makes sense.
	Yeah.
	My boyfriend's older than me, bigger than me, et cetera, et cetera.
	Yeah.
	And okay, so we won't linger too long on that, but we might have a video that's semi-related to it that can really hammer it home.
	Body count, we've been talking about body count all night.
	Should body count matter?
	You said no.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	For a guy?
	Or for a woman?
	Here, here's a better question.
	Do you object to men caring about women's body count?
	No.
	I don't.
	No, I don't object to that.
	I think it's 100% couple by couple.
	Person by person.
	It matters.
	Point blank, period.
	I don't object.
	Okay.
	Just curious, what's everyone's body count?
	I think you said zero, right?
	If I recall.
	I'm a virgin.
	I don't know.
	If you had to like 30.
	40?
	Like 30, yeah.
	30.
	But between 30 and 40, maybe.
	Maybe 50.
	Yeah.
	Maybe 60 if you count the.
	Maybe like 4,000.
	How about that?
	4,000.
	Does that make you happy?
	It's over 9,000.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Body count.
	I've been in the business a long time.
	What do you think?
	What do you think?
	I can only remember.
	Do the math.
	Oh, my God.
	No, I don't.
	I can only remember the eight that had a terrible.
	Would you say it's like triple digits or less than that?
	Trip.
	Like more than 100?
	Yeah, I mean, I would think so after all those years.
	Yeah, so.
	I think, I think that.
	You think more than 100?
	Yeah.
	More than a thousand?
	I don't...
	I don't know about that.
	I don't...
	I don't think that when I was younger, I didn't see as many people because I think my mentality was more the survival.
	But now that I have gotten into the spiritual sexuality over the past two years, I have seen more.
	And I have seen more seeking that.
	Seen more men?
	Yes.
	It's about doubled since I started the spiritual sexuality.
	Before, I think it was just, I was just grabbing.
	I didn't know.
	I don't know.
	I think that the, but that's why I really like that because I'm going to continue going to these retreats.
	Wait, at what age did you first turn a trick?
	Is that the terminology?
	So.
	Have a John.
	I don't know what he's called.
	My first experience going one of those relationships.
	Relationships.
	Yeah.
	Those.
	I was 21.
	21.
	And I remember I was a dancer, and I remember it was very, when a man called me pretty, I never got that younger.
	And this was before I had plastic surgery.
	So it was a very big thing for me.
	And here I'm 21.
	I'm like, I'm pretty?
	Like, you think I'm pretty?
	Great.
	And so I think that it took so little to get me out of the club until the time where there was something that happened.
	And that's when I was like, like, these guys can have certain intentions and you got to be in the right mental state.
	And I'd been drinking.
	I'd, you know, used substances.
	And then finally, when I got into the work at the brothel, that's when things started to kind of get better for me.
	Like, I started to see things in a different way and not in survival.
	It was like, oh, this is a vacation for them.
	Like, this is a vacation.
	And husbands and wives come to see me.
	I see a lot of them.
	And many are interested in the sexual healing and for themselves and their marriages.
	And that's why on September, I am going to a week-long retreat.
	We can't have our phones.
	I'm literally just going to be camping out in the middle of nowhere in San Diego.
	And I don't know what we're going to learn there, but yeah, so I'm excited.
	Mind blow.
	Yeah, so I'm ready.
	Wait, it's okay.
	You said the first time you did pay to play at 21.
	I was 21.
	What was the situation with the parents like?
	My father was in the military, so he was gone most of the time.
	Did your parents divorce?
	Okay, gotcha.
	And my mother was a single mother, so she was very stressed financially.
	Finances were difficult.
	They're very glorified, too, I think, in home.
	That's a big reason why a lot of people will get into doing that kind of work.
	Because you can make quick money.
	You can.
	And you can make good money.
	Yeah.
	Fast money comes with slow problems.
	And yeah, I remember my mom, when we were growing up, money was just like, it was very glorified because we didn't have it.
	Wait, did your mom also do pay to play?
	I don't know.
	Did she do?
	No, she didn't.
	She worked at a company for like several years.
	She worked at a company.
	She was a police officer, too.
	She worked missing persons, so that's why she had a big problem with me being a sex worker.
	She had arrested you once.
	No, no, she worked missing persons in seeing what happened to those girls.
	She would be the one that called the parents if they found a body.
	That was my mom.
	Yeah.
	And so not to trauma dump and do all that, but she was very scared for me when I got into that industry.
	But when I did start working at the brothel, she kind of like eased up a little bit.
	Like, okay, this is illegal.
	Like, I had to, you have to pass like security.
	You have to get a license.
	So it's, you know, it's pretty, you know, you do got to pay taxes on it too.
	They tax it at you, but it's much better than what it was.
	So just on the body count thing, in the hundreds.
	I would.
	Well, you said it was over 100.
	Do you think it's what, 500?
	Plus or I would say maybe, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I guess 365 days in the year, I wasn't doing every day.
	I wasn't doing, we usually do tours, so it's like two weeks out of each year.
	So I guess if you calculate.
	Yeah, let's do the math.
	I guess.
	So.
	Oh, my God.
	How many?
	Okay, so you said one a day, 360, 65 days a year.
	It wasn't one a day for 365 days.
	Let's say 300?
	Three.
	I mean, maybe.
	Well, no, 300 in a year, 300 days, you were active.
	I would say less than that.
	Less.
	Because there's filtering days.
	I call them filtering days.
	Would you say 200 in a year is within the realm of possibility?
	It's within the realm of a possibility.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But definitely not 365.
	That won't be.
	Sure.
	But you said you were active since you were 21.
	I was active since 21, yeah.
	So possibly.
	Safe to say over a thousand?
	I would say that it was harder for me to get people to want.
	It was few and far between before I started doing the sexual healing.
	It was few and far between.
	It was very hard for me to get those ones.
	I got them sometimes, but I don't know there was something about that that made me.
	Did you ever hustle?
	I did.
	And you know what?
	I had to stop being, I did.
	And I did.
	I remember I was so sad because I didn't understand about the filtering and the emotions and how we take on their emotions.
	And we need those days to recuperate.
	We need those days to we need to be going in with the right intentions, in a sense.
	And for me, I wasn't at first.
	And I remember stopping sex work for, I think, an entire year.
	And I just danced purely because I didn't understand it.
	But then I started again, but then finally back there, I got, now I understand.
	I understand now.
	I was coming from a place of, like you said, despair.
	Like I was trying to grab and get something.
	But now I'm coming from a place of empowerment where I'm like, you know what?
	I want to do this.
	I choose to do this and I want to learn more about it.
	And that's why I'm quite fascinated with the Kabbalah because they talk about a lot of that.
	Well, I mean, you strike me as someone like you're very articulate.
	I think, like, I don't know.
	I don't want to be preachy here.
	But I mean, it occurs to me while talking to you, you seem like an intelligent person.
	You're fairly articulate.
	Like, you're a good-looking woman.
	Do you think things could have gone a different path?
	I, you know, I don't think so.
	But what I do think is there is this desire in me to entertain families one day.
	And I know that that sounds totally outlandish, but hey, Maya Angelou worked at a brothel.
	I believe she was a brothel madame.
	And I, you know, I look at people like that and I say, you know what?
	She can do it.
	Maybe I can.
	On a scale of one to ten.
	Yes, yes.
	How crazy are you?
	I'm pretty crazy.
	Are you?
	I'm pretty crazy, Brian.
	Yeah.
	I'm pretty crazy.
	But you know what?
	I mean crazy.
	I think like crazy in a sense we're like, I think that that's kind of why I like the Joker too.
	It's like he's just so wild and he just have you ever slashed.
	Oh, sorry, sorry.
	Keep going.
	Oh god.
	No, I haven't done that.
	I've gotten my tire slashed one time.
	I woke up and my car was keyed and my tire was locked, but I wasn't dating anyone.
	I think it was like...
	Maybe another girl at the club.
	I don't know what.
	I don't know what it was.
	It was so weird.
	I'm like, I've been like, he's slashing.
	Doesn't it get pretty catty in strip clubs between some of the chicks?
	It does.
	And it's like, you know, they get mad if they go, oh, like, you know, my money.
	I missed out.
	And it's like, no, you didn't, because his intention wasn't with you.
	So have you ever slashed a guy's tires?
	No, not like that.
	I think there's two types of crazy.
	People that take it out on others and people that take it out on themselves.
	And I was like, I was more the ladder until I started really.
	I was more the ladder where I would take everything out on myself.
	I remember I'd mark my hand, not like, you know, do any of that, but I would tally mistakes that I made in the day with like a pen.
	Like, and I'd be like, I made a mistake.
	I shouldn't have.
	And I would think about conversations where I'm like, I should have said this to them.
	And I'd beat myself up about it.
	But then I realized, like, I got to be kinder to myself for people to be kinder to me.
	And that's a lot of therapy.
	So, all right, well, we'll keep going.
	Yeah.
	I have one body, but it only happened that one time.
	It was a one-night stand?
	No, it wasn't a one-night stand.
	It was, I mean, I knew him somewhat well.
	Wait, did you tell this story?
	No, I didn't tell this story.
	The one, the one.
	This is no, this is not the guy that I dated for four days.
	Wait, so like you only hooked up one time.
	Well, we.
	What do you mean by hooking up?
	You mean you said, like, you had sex only one time?
	Yes.
	And you have one body?
	Yes.
	What happened?
	What's the story there?
	What's the story?
	What's the story?
	Well, I don't even really like.
	No, This was actually when I was 16, almost 17.
	I don't really remember my logic behind it, but I think it was almost something like, ugh, I hate to say it, but everyone's doing it.
	I feel like you should have to talk about it if you don't want to.
	It's not, no, I'm not, I'm not uncomfortable talking about it.
	I just genuinely, I don't really remember because it was so long ago.
	But basically, it happened once.
	And I guess we were planning on hanging out again, but it just never happened.
	So, yeah, that's really it.
	Like, did he ghost you, or did you lose interest?
	Or um, it was like, I mean, I would say almost like he ghosted me, sure.
	But we, yeah, we were planning on hanging out again, and then did he play you?
	What do you mean, did he play you?
	Like, did he play you?
	Like, he was he was sure, oh, yeah.
	Hey, I mean, it happens.
	Um, yeah, but basically, like, he was kind of feigning like he was interested, but then, like, you guys finally hook up, and then because a lot of guys will be like, oh, yeah, like, I want a relationship, whatever.
	And maybe that was I mean, he never said he wanted a relationship, but okay, so he didn't play you like that, but yeah, I'm not gonna, well, I'm not gonna sit here and pay him as a villain, but sure, you could say that, okay.
	Um, all right, good times, strange story seems kind of scummy of him.
	I don't think it's that strange, I guess, yeah, not good, it's not good.
	No, I'm perfectly fine, yeah.
	Well, yeah, I mean, you guys only hung out that one, yeah.
	Well, no, we had hung out, I had known him for like months, yeah, yeah.
	We had hung out before, yeah.
	Oh, so you liked him, no, crushing, oh, no, you were afraid of me.
	Wait, you slept with him, but you didn't like him.
	I don't know, like, he was definitely very, I thought, I found him very attractive, very attractive, okay.
	But I didn't expect to date him after that.
	Was it like at a party or something, or no, did it happen kind of like spontaneously, type thing, or yeah, it was, I mean, I guess, I guess it was spontaneous, it was just like, I guess, a whatever moment for me.
	You guys were just chilling at the pad, and then you're like, here's the thing.
	No, we had went out to dinner before and stuff, but I think back then in my eyes, it was like, as long as it was a good experience, you know, we had a good night, whatever, it wasn't a bad way to lose it.
	Were you kind of bummed that he didn't, like, you were like, hey, like, I'm kind of bummed he didn't lose it.
	No, I wasn't bummed that he didn't like me, but I did notice that after I did it, I felt like I had to grow up.
	You know, because I was like, I did this, and I was like, yeah.
	Do you regret it?
	I don't, I wouldn't say I regret it because I don't think, like, I still have my dignity.
	I still respect myself a lot.
	Sure.
	And it's not like I went and slept around after.
	I would say it's something that does not affect me at all to this day.
	But I mean, it's something that happened.
	I don't really sit here and be like, I regret it.
	You know?
	Sure.
	It happened.
	It is what it is.
	Makes sense.
	What about you?
	Well, so I lost my V really young to a 17-year-old.
	Okay, let's not talk about that.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	But yeah, so 14.
	I accounted for this show.
	I never really thought to even count or anything, actually.
	I'm young, but.
	More gone.
	So I do think body count matters.
	So I'm not going to share because I think it's something that should be intimate between you and your future partner.
	Sure.
	But you said you did.
	It's at least one, correct?
	Yes, I have engaged in hookup culture in college and have done it.
	That's totally fine.
	Yes.
	Maddie, son?
	I just like answering this question, but everyone knows somewhere you're going to say, I'll own up to it.
	It's eight, but I feel like I was at a time in my life where I was very sucked into the male validation thing that everyone was doing it, so you had to do it.
	And I wanted to say, I'm not making excuses for myself, obviously.
	I'm going to own up to it.
	You were brainwashed.
	But I was brainwashed.
	And I feel like as I've grown, I've developed more values and morals and everything like that.
	And at the time, I like, again, I don't want to make excuses for myself because I don't want to sound like stupid.
	But I didn't have anyone to tell me it was wrong.
	I didn't have a mother to tell me, like, oh, like, this is wrong, blah, blah, blah.
	Like my father was a little bit absent.
	Like, I had no one to really guide me in the right way to do that.
	And if I could go back and redo it, I would.
	But it's eight and it's going to be eight for the rest of my life.
	Me being 18 and saying that is just so wise because I think there's so many girls now who are 18, 19, 20, 21 who are so sold that same lie of hookup culture, male validation, seeking that.
	I know that's something that I struggled with for years when I was 18 of like going and doing hookups because it's like, oh, guys are giving you attention.
	It's so normalized.
	And you feel cool.
	For some reason, you feel cool.
	And I have no idea why.
	I feel like a cool girl.
	Every body that I have had, I've genuinely liked the guy that I've done it.
	I didn't just do random hookups, you know.
	But what's wrong with it?
	Like, I don't understand what's wrong with it.
	Like, I like to have sex.
	You can like to have sex and not sleep with a lot of people.
	I think it's a self-control issue almost.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I think it's sad that you, like, some of you shame yourself.
	I'm not shaming you.
	I'm not shaming them.
	I don't think anyone's shaming themselves.
	I just, you know, I've acknowledged that like maybe it was wrong.
	Like, no, you're fine.
	Well, I do acknowledge it was wrong.
	I'm just saying.
	Maybe she felt like she was doing it out of fear and not out of her own heart.
	And that's not like shame, but like, oh my goodness, I was so young.
	I thought you liked every guy that you did it with.
	So then just you're fine.
	Yeah, but I got played by every guy that I did it with.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I liked guys that I've done things with, but just because I like them doesn't mean that I should have allowed myself to give my full self to that person.
	Oh, well, then that's, yeah.
	Well, you know, you gave your full self.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like I said, like as I got older, like I developed more values, and I feel like I didn't value it as much as I do now.
	Do you think that you, because we're around the same age, the three of us?
	Do you think that you got more conservative as you got older?
	Like out of 10%, yeah.
	I think I think all three of us did, and I usually don't meet people like that, but it's cool to see that.
	Yeah, y'all are so wise.
	Seriously.
	I was where y'all were when I was 18, and I turned 24 this month.
	Like, it's insane to see young people like you girls who have lower bodies and are actively talking about it.
	Because I feel like just because so many lies are sold to us, that it is glorifying for us to be so sexually active, hook up culture in college.
	It's like almost if you're not engaging in that culture in college, you're missing out.
	When in reality, if you're not engaging in that, you're actually saving yourself for something so much better than that.
	I think it should be talked about more for sure, especially in art industry.
	Oh, my God.
	I think I would say around 95%.
	It's not even in our industry, it's not even like having a lot of sex.
	Because, let's be honest, everybody who's a fitness influencer or most people are going to be attractive on the higher end because you know, that's your job.
	But in the women's side, I want to say a good 95% of the girls in the fitness industry do OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	It's just so, so normal.
	People want that the most.
	I feel like they want the fitness the most.
	Yeah, it's almost like a coveted.
	It's a very male-dominated industry.
	And if you take purely fitness, the men make way more money than the girls.
	So the girls make up for that by selling sex, basically.
	We're very lucky.
	We're able to be financially independent just doing fitness, not doing anything sexual.
	But a lot of girls can't find that level of financial independence in the industry because it is male.
	And then they see everyone else doing their life.
	And they almost assume that we do it too.
	That's the biggest part that bothers me.
	It affects us because we meet people.
	There are people who have known us for months.
	And then one day we randomly stumble upon the conversation and they're like, oh, you don't do OnlyFans?
	It's like, I don't, I personally don't want to be seen as somebody who does sex with me.
	Yeah, it's like that.
	It's some set it's like normalized for you.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's annoying.
	There was like some guy at the gym who thought I was, he's like, oh, I thought you were richer than that because we're talking about income.
	And I was like, well, like, what do you mean?
	He goes, well, you're OnlyFans.
	How much money does that bring in?
	Just like automatic assumption.
	Automatically thinking.
	And it's like, oh my God.
	Like there's guys who I've gone on like dates with and they go, well, my number one concern is that you do OnlyFans.
	I'm like, where did you get that from?
	Like, it's just an assumption now.
	Yeah.
	And so it reflects poorly on the rest of us.
	And it's, I don't know if upsetting is the right term, but it's frustrating.
	It's frustrating.
	Honestly, me personally, I don't think it's frustrating because then it's just like they find out, oh, you don't do OnlyFans?
	It's like, oh.
	Like, it's almost like.
	Yeah.
	I think if everybody knew like on widespread, then like, yeah, but I, I mean, I guess my followers know that I don't know.
	Yeah, because it's like if they seek it out, then they're like, oh, yeah.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	I don't like.
	Say it.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Spit it out.
	I don't want to be like, oh, like moral high ground.
	Like, I'm better than you.
	But at the same time, I do take pride in making my money in a non-exploitive way.
	Yeah.
	I think that the way that I make my money isn't negative on my mental health.
	A lot of things, a lot of things.
	You know what I'm getting at.
	Are you saying that sex work isn't real work?
	No, I think that it's still.
	I don't know.
	I don't think I'm educated enough on this topic to give you a question.
	How would you define real work?
	Sorry, I'm just fucking with you.
	How would you define real work?
	I'm just instigating here.
	Okay.
	Here, let's do this.
	We have Puffy here.
	Nick, can you pull up Puffy's Instagram?
	Because we'll do him a solid.
	All right.
	I've done 500 today.
	Can the girls rate me?
	One.
	Any of your panel have given about a three.
	Puffy, bro.
	I'm going to enroll you in some English classes.
	And most say I'm zero.
	So I gave 500 tonight to have the girls rate me.
	Puffy, answer your DMs, bro.
	Please.
	Rippy, what the blonde Hulk meant to say is money means more when it is earned with dignity.
	Ha, get wrecked.
	Blonde Hulk.
	Who's the blonde?
	Who else is the blonde Hulk?
	That's not me because they're calling me Pat.
	So I was like, I thought it was me.
	I think they mean jacked.
	Are they saying I have crying eyes?
	You have crying eyes?
	Is that right?
	I thought they said the girl in the red has crying eyes.
	I'm like, huh?
	Okay.
	First of all, it's fuchsia.
	Yeah.
	All right, we have Alex P here.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Kirby has already profited from severally.
	Thank you.
	Sorry to correct you.
	No, I scuffed that.
	Okay.
	Immoral actions, so she will use any and all cognitive dissonance to avoid facing the shame and guilt she deserves.
	Brian, make your pen out of a piece of the USS New Jersey, and it uses your silly refills.
	Oh, I need to get back to you about the pens.
	He's going to hook me up with a bunch of pens, I guess.
	We need some in the studio.
	So if you can bump the what's it called?
	Our DMs on Instagram, I'll get back to you.
	Sorry, I get like 100 DMs a week.
	Well, more than 100 DMs a week, so it's hard to keep up with everybody.
	But thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, let's do the videos and then let's wrap.
	Puffy first.
	Oh, Puffy, yes.
	Let's do Puffy really quick.
	All right, this is Senor Puffy Vegas.
	Holy shit.
	Which one's him?
	The one.
	The only man.
	Oh, my God.
	Wow.
	Click that one.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, that's your comment It doesn't look like he's sleeping with me.
	He's asking them for pictures.
	I commented on him.
	Puffy, the guy that sleeps with me.
	Do the one to the left.
	I think he just goes on this journey and takes pictures with 304.
	And probably pays them.
	And that's why he has a 500 body count.
	Oh, GigaChat.
	Okay.
	I like how you guys support him and all of his adventures.
	Nice comments.
	It's a mutual.
	He supports me.
	I support him.
	Totally.
	Yo, guys.
	Everybody in the chat right now, I want you to go to his Instagram right now and I want you to spam comments on XL.
	This one, I'll tell you the photo.
	I want you to the one to the right of it that we pulled up before.
	Okay, I want to see 100 comments on this.
	If you got Instagram, go pull up his Instagram.
	Come back to the chat after you're done.
	I want you to comment fire emojis, Slay Queen.
	What's his name?
	Puffy Vegas.
	Puffy Vegas.
	Puffy underscore Vegas.
	Slay Queen, Fire Emojis, the fingernail one where it's doing like the fingernail, just everything.
	So that's his IG.
	Ladies, what do you give him out of 10?
	10.
	You can close it.
	He's very nice.
	Yeah, he looks like a nice guy.
	He looks 100%.
	He looks concerned with just going up to random women and taking pictures.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Followed him.
	I thought I'd shut up.
	Oh, my God.
	This is getting a little bit more.
	Look at Pay.
	Wait.
	Actually, Nick, let's also leave a comment.
	Just write.
	No, it's right there.
	Just write.
	What should we write on his Instagram right now?
	Hello.
	How'd you get it?
	He looks like a nice guy.
	Based on just looks, he looks like the type of people that I would want to shrink and put in my pocket.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Just right.
	This is what peak is peak masculinity.
	Whether you like it or not, this is what peak male performance looks like.
	Yeah, you can put.
	There you go.
	I wonder how he is in person.
	I really want to meet him.
	Yeah, right.
	We should be in Vegas.
	Would you rate him?
	Would you rate him?
	I forget what I said.
	I don't know.
	Seven, six, whatever.
	Did you rate him?
	I'm not going to rate anybody.
	Billion bucks.
	No ratings for anyone tonight.
	I'm going to rate you a 10 because I appreciate that you always come on here and do this.
	Yeah.
	No rating.
	Five.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Heartless.
	He always looks like that.
	But he always talks about how he always meets women that cheat on their husbands and everything, but you're allowing them to do that.
	Okay.
	So yeah.
	I didn't know who, yeah, unbelievable.
	I'm sorry, homewrecker in Vegas.
	We have a couple videos that we got to react to, and then we're going to wrap up.
	Okay, so pull up the first Andrew Tate video.
	Oh, boy.
	It's related to what we were talking about.
	Go ahead.
	You can play.
	Do you want the video here?
	No, it's fine there.
	Know what's so attractive about younger women?
	Because a lot of these dudes talk about fertility and looks and stuff.
	I don't actually think it's that.
	Wait, can we turn the captions on?
	Nick.
	Can we turn the captions on, brother?
	What happened?
	Yeah, walk in, brother.
	Sorry, you're going to bless stuff to the.
	Dude, you exabled it.
	Here for the center.
	I got it.
	This one.
	You know what's so attractive about younger women?
	Because we a lot.
	Not her.
	You got to drag it over here and you can come.
	Now it's playing.
	Yeah, but now you need to right-click here.
	Now you got to X out of that.
	Come back here.
	Gotta bring it back.
	Yeah, I'm gonna look.
	It's the only good thing about my orange.
	I love it.
	Sorry, guys.
	It's okay, Nick.
	Know what's so attractive about younger women?
	Because a lot of these dudes talk about fertility and looks and stuff.
	I don't actually think it's that.
	I think that in the modern world, in the days of old, right, you'd meet a woman, you get married, you'd be together, whatever.
	In the modern world, if I meet a girl who's 33 and single, I know the amount of dick that's been through her before me is just simply unattractive.
	I don't care how nice you are, but you're 33 years old.
	How many men have fucked?
	If I got a 19 year old girl, I might be your second or third man, right?
	I'm going to be dude number fucking 29.
	And all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they put you through, you're going to try and bring to my door?
	Like, well, my last man cheat.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Like, I don't care.
	Like, why is that my problem?
	So, if you pick up older women, you have to accept they've been on the carousel longer.
	They've had more fucking rides, more spins.
	I don't want that shit.
	When See a beautiful young woman, I know that she has a very low body count, and that, and also, no, but no, but the truth is: women's mentality is absolutely connected to sex.
	If a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her fall in love with her.
	And it's unattractive, is but if she's like, if she's had 30 dudes inside of her, she really didn't think, you know what, this guy's so, so, so special, or she's gonna think, you know, like he talked to me, Rudolph, let's go get a new guy.
	Whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys, she's much more likely to fall in love with you and be a better partner.
	The likelihood of her falling completely in love with you and staying loyal to you and really believing you're the only man for her, after being through so much trauma and so many men and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heart broken and having those memories of her ex and all that crap she's been through, is far less likely than meeting a nice young, beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men and she goes.
	You know what?
	This is the guy I, I like him.
	Every woman who knows this and every man who watches this can be honest.
	Women fall in love with the person they lose their virginity to, or their second or third guy.
	They really remember them.
	They really love them.
	Any woman who slept with 50 dude she doesn't even remember who most of them are.
	She doesn't care if a woman slept with a bunch of men before you.
	She's less likely to stick it out through a difficult period in relationship.
	She's more likely to just say, you know what new answers, new dick.
	It's a pretty good answer and that's the truth.
	Let me make something clear.
	If I meet a beautiful 30 year old woman, i'm not saying I won't sleep with her.
	That's pretty old yeah, 30.
	I know what?
	Are you crazy?
	I there's been times I was drunk.
	Is your reaction to the video?
	Is he?
	Is he Muslim?
	Uh, Andrew Tate, I was just curious.
	Well, he used to be atheist, then he became Christian, but now he's he's Muslim.
	It's in his, you know, they have the, you know, the virgins in the Muslim culture.
	And I know he does the mantras.
	I've seen him do those mantras when he sits down.
	I've seen the pictures.
	You mean this?
	He does that, and he does other mantras too.
	And it's like a power.
	I had a well, let's stick to the video here.
	So reaction?
	I think you might have a reaction because.
	Well, yeah, I mean, he trafficked women in my country.
	And so, yeah, I don't really care what he says, but I will say this.
	Allegedly, fine, allegedly, even though the Romanian press says otherwise, I think.
	I've read articles in Romanian.
	Anyways, that be them with me.
	Alleged.
	Anyways, no, I think, look, so Mil once again, I feel like we're going in circles.
	I feel like, look, as a girl who's like, you know, has a body count of 30 or whatever, I feel like if I really, like, when I, when I like a guy and I sleep with a guy and I like him, it means a lot because, I mean, I have the experience to know that I like, I really like him.
	When you lose your virginity to someone, it's puppy love.
	You don't even know if you like him.
	All you know is he's the first one to put it in you.
	So that's my opinion.
	Okay, anyways, move on.
	God, we don't have, we all, we don't got to keep going in circles, guys.
	All right.
	I'm tired.
	Wait, I'm confused.
	The first one to put it in you?
	Put it in you.
	To stick it in you.
	Like, like, he said, like, did you not hear what he said?
	Are you describing sex like that?
	Yeah.
	Stick it in her.
	Stick it in her.
	But okay, finish your point.
	I finished it.
	I finished it.
	Wait, what was the thing about being the first?
	Well, he mentioned that a woman's always going to fall in love with her first or second or whatever.
	And that a woman who's been with a lot of men lacks the ability to have connection, which is so not true.
	It is.
	Oh, my God.
	It haven't even been with that many people.
	So I'm not going to be able to do that.
	I don't even say that.
	But you would rather her be with 30 people to then have the anecdote.
	I did not say it, but I like, oh, I'm reacting to the video.
	I'm saying that I don't agree with what he said.
	And also, he allegedly trafficked women from my country.
	And so I don't really give a fuck what he says.
	Anyways, move on.
	Thank you.
	Well, that's not really.
	I mean, his pending court case.
	Oh, my God.
	His pending court case is kind of irrelevant because you need to actually address the arguments he's making, saying I did address them.
	No, but it's a fallacious, it's fallacious to Say, well, because this person is currently being accused of a crime, therefore what he's saying is wrong.
	That's a fallacious argument.
	I addressed what he said, and then I followed it with being like, I don't, I mean, he could say whatever.
	I don't agree with anything that he'll ever say because I read the Romanian press, and you could say allegedly, but.
	So, if he said that the sky was blue, you would object to it because he's currently under the city.
	Oh my God, come on.
	That is what you're saying, though.
	What are you saying?
	You guys, come on now.
	You know, that's not what I'm saying.
	But you know that's not what I'm saying.
	But the fact that he's currently...
	I'm not playing this game.
	Like, literally, it is a fallacy, though, to say because he allegedly did this bad thing, that therefore he's wrong.
	I did respond to what he said, and I feel like I was pretty thorough about it.
	Okay, but I don't.
	You're trying to, you're trying to minimize what he said by also throwing in, by the way, he's also accused of this, therefore you should take what he said less seriously.
	That's a fallacy.
	I don't know.
	Is it appeal to authority?
	I'm not sure.
	Sort of, kind of.
	He can't be an authority on what he's saying because he's accused of that.
	Yeah, no, I mean, it is.
	I mean, I'm just like talking shit.
	Okay, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	Yeah, like, it's not that serious.
	You're fine.
	That's why I said just move on.
	I wonder if he felt this way before he converted to Muslim.
	Well, he was Christian when he said that.
	Oh, he was Christian.
	Okay, we didn't.
	I'm pretty sure you.
	Okay.
	Let's not involve religious people.
	Okay, I hope this.
	But he's probably felt that way forever.
	Forever.
	Yeah, I thought that maybe that had something to do with his strong beliefs on that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So that, I mean, for me, I'm like, okay, well, that's what he believes, and that's, you know, haram to him.
	And, and, you know, okay.
	I think in general, like, regardless of like his belief system, where did he lie?
	I mean, an older woman who has had more sexual partners will obviously not be able to connect with her husband as much and will be coming into a relationship with baggage.
	So I think it's fair to assume, unless you've had an intimate conversation of how many people you've slept with, it's okay to assume, okay, you're 35, you're single, you've probably slept with a lot more people than a 19 or 20 year old coming in and it's one or two sexual partners.
	Makes sense.
	No, in the music man, it said the sadder but wiser girl for me because he wanted the girl that was around the block, but he doesn't.
	So that makes sense.
	Which I'm not the biggest Andrew Tate fan, but in this exact clip, 100%, like there were no lies.
	I think it's pretty factual to say that an older woman who's slept with a lot of more men are more to have less emotional connections to their husbands or whoever they're seeking relationships with because, I mean, sex is an emotional thing, you know?
	Okay, yeah.
	So psychologically, orgasm for women is an oxytocin release, and for men, it's a dopamine release.
	And oxytocin is a bonding hormone, and dopamine is a reward hormone.
	Well, every single time you sleep with a man, we are creating pair bonds in our brain that are connecting us to this person.
	And they're not going to be able to do that.
	I'm sorry if I cut you off.
	It's science.
	What do you mean?
	What is she trying to do?
	I don't understand how you can disagree with science and psychology.
	I don't pair bond with every single person I sleep with.
	See, but that's harsh.
	What about okay, so is this only hetero-relationships?
	Or are we talking about like some type of sex?
	Any sex?
	So you can say, like, I'm not pair bonding, but that's just not reality, and that's not scientific.
	So I'm just delusional.
	I just like live my life.
	I didn't say you're a delusional.
	So every guy that I sleep with, I'm just in love with.
	That's not a single person.
	No, I didn't say that.
	I didn't say you're in love with.
	I said that there's a psychological bond, that there is a bond in your brain that you are creating with that person that you have an intimate relationship with.
	That is psychological, that is scientific, it's irrefutable.
	Evidence on the table.
	And so you can say, I'm going out in the world and not having these relationships with people, but at the end of the day, I mean, you said you slept with 30 people.
	You have a pair bonded with all 30 people.
	Yes.
	The more you slept with people, the less you probably recognize it too, because that's how it works.
	Yeah.
	It decreases the desensitization.
	You're creating also the inability to have a long-lasting relationship because the more people that you sleep with and when it's just a hookup, you're training psychologically your brain that that is more acceptable and okay than being in a long-term relationship.
	That is, the more sexual partners you have, the more sexual partners you have, it starts to reduce your ability to pair bond with future partners.
	It may be the case that you've slept with people you had absolutely no bond, but I've had great bonds afterwards too.
	I mean, like I said, I have no issues fine.
	For like the first couple or like few people that you've ever slept with, say, like, have you ever felt like emotionally connected to those specific people?
	Yeah, the first one definitely was a thing, but I mean, it, okay, so after I fell in love with like my actual, like my first boyfriend, the one that I was with for six years, I couldn't even compare the love that I felt for him with the guy that I, like the guy that I thought I was in love with, who's the first guy I slept with, I mean, after actually being in love, I couldn't compare.
	Wait, the guy you were in love with was the six-year one?
	Yes.
	In your messages to us, you say you were in an open relationship with him.
	Yes.
	Well, not for the whole six years.
	Towards the last two years, we did.
	We did kind of fall out of love, but also because we were, I was 17 when we got together and we both like, it got boring after a while.
	And then so we both were open.
	Don't they say that boring love is good love?
	Is that the only love?
	I'm saying at first.
	It's supposed to be with the first guy I slept with versus when I got into my relationship at the beginning.
	I mean, I can't compare the two loves that I thought that I felt.
	You know, like the first one was puppy love.
	The second one was like, oh my God, like I'm in love.
	Like this is crazy.
	Like I, you know, we did everything together.
	We're actually still friends to this day.
	Like I still have love for him.
	It's just not as romantic anymore because we grew apart.
	We just, I don't know, I think it's like a seven-year-itch thing.
	It's like six years, you know, we just both changed.
	We grew in different directions.
	But yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I'm saying.
	It's like, well, the first guy, yeah, I thought I loved him, but the guy I really was in love with wasn't he?
	I think he was the seventh guy I ever actually.
	Did you say that's like the only guy that you've ever felt emotionally connected to that you've ever had sex with though?
	No.
	The other guy was, I've had two relationships.
	The other guy was the one I was last with.
	And that was almost even deeper, actually, because we had more in common.
	Like we were into the same kind of like humor and whatnot.
	And so we like got to hang out more.
	And I don't know, like hanging out.
	He was, it was, I don't know how it's been like, we were closer on like a friendly friendship level.
	And yeah, I was even, I was in even more love with him actually than the other guy.
	So that's why I'm saying this is all about.
	So like the first few guys you would say you have felt emotionally connected to?
	Well no, I'm saying that the first guy I slept With, I did, and then my first relationship, which was like the seventh guy, I did.
	And then, like, shortly after I slept with, I mean, I shortly after I ended my six-year relationship, I got with somebody else, and we were even even more deeper, like emotionally connected.
	So, so I feel like that does prove that it does wear off as you, yeah.
	How does I just said that it went, it got deeper and deeper as it went along.
	I didn't say it got less deep, I said it got deeper and deeper.
	But do you think, okay, let's say you've slept with a hundred people, right?
	Do you think like you're really gonna care about number 101?
	Like, talk about it at that point.
	It's just like the next step talking about Brian, my real my romantic relationships have gotten deeper and deeper into it.
	The more men you've slept with?
	No, the older I get, the more experienced I am, the more I know myself, the more that I know what I want.
	Yeah, but generally speaking, like, look, the more people you sleep with, like, as you have more sexual partners, your ability to pair you with future people is diminished.
	That's not the case for me because I've gotten more in love with people the older I get.
	I feel like the more experience I have.
	Because I knew what I didn't want from the first guy, I knew what I didn't want from the second guy, and I knew I didn't want from the third guy.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Why can't you know what you don't want?
	I build upon like what's why can't you know what you don't like without having to experience a shitty relationship and where you don't like it?
	Did I say that any of them are shitty?
	I'm just not.
	I learned from each experience that I've had, and you're never gonna know what you want or don't want unless you experience it.
	I definitely do know what I want and don't want without having to analyze in your head what is good and what is not and without having to experience it.
	I can't argue with that, and that's fine.
	I have a question for you.
	You said your six-year relationship, um, was he one of your first people that you were intimate with?
	Yeah, I said he was like number seven, he was number seven, but however, you admitted to it getting boring, and then you opened up the relationship.
	Well, so the sex life was boring, the sex, and I mean, yeah, I think shit, we were together for some point exhibit A.
	I mean, like, but you said your relationship, you had to open it up.
	I, I mean, honestly, to be completely honest, it was really him that was the one that wanted to open it and was like having issues like being faithful and whatnot.
	And so, I was like, all right, well, we could open it up, and that was that.
	But, um, but the open relationship isn't really what killed it.
	But you said it was boring too.
	You think that was after, okay, after so, the last two years we did were we were not having pretty much isn't that a failure of the pair bonding between you two then?
	If it was boring and you had to open it up, no, because we opened it up before that.
	I think what really failed it wasn't the pair bonding, it was the fact.
	I mean, shit, I really don't want to put my business out there.
	I'm scared he's going to see this because we're so cool.
	I don't want to like, yeah, essentially, yes.
	Like, I was, I am a lot more ambitious than him, and he, so he was three years older, right?
	I was 17, he was 20 when we got together, and I feel like I outgrew him.
	And so, it was, I became fine, I'm gonna say, I became his mother at the end of the day, and it was extremely unattractive to be somebody's mother after years of being together.
	So, let's watch another tape video.
	Okay, we got another one here.
	Uh, Neg, pull it up.
	Uh, is this the second one in the list?
	Can you go full screen, make it before you play it, make it full screen?
	Wait, is this the one I want to react to?
	Oh, this is related to uh the whole like experience, inexperience thing, I think.
	Because you're talking about, well, wouldn't a guy want a girl who's and I pretty much totally agree with what he's about to say, but wouldn't a guy want a girl who's like more sexually experienced?
	Wholesome Tate here.
	I think this is a wholesome moment.
	Go ahead.
	Sex, sex, this position, that position.
	Don't you feel like you get to a point in your life where there's something more than that shit?
	Don't you feel like, and maybe I'm going to sound like a romantic.
	Don't you feel like you get to a position in your life where you'd rather have a girl who you truly love and she truly loves you, and it doesn't matter what she does because you know she really loves you and she's trying her best.
	Where are those hats?
	I know she's shaking her head.
	I know she's shaking her head.
	But I'm serious.
	I'm serious.
	If you sleep with enough women, just like if you sleep with enough men, there's no fucking move.
	Sex is not a complicated operation, all right?
	There's no move that's going to be like, wow, I've never seen this before.
	I've never seen this before.
	My mind is blown.
	No, no.
	If you think the way you keep a man happy is to move your pussy in a particular way on top of his dick, as opposed to behave in a way which is respectful to him out in the real world and for him to know he has you and you're loyalty regardless of what's going to happen, all the problems he's going to come into in his life, then you're wrong.
	So the whole point of sex is a connection between two people.
	And I think having a genuine connection between two people is worth more than the sex.
	So her question was, what can a woman do to truly blow your mind in the bedroom?
	You blow my mind outside of the bedroom in a relationship as a whole.
	That's the truth.
	That's the truth.
	Wouldn't you rather have a girlfriend who truly loves you, is absolutely loyal to you?
	Like no matter what happens, she's going to be there for you.
	You catch a case six months.
	She's outside waiting for you.
	She, she, okay, she can't take dick, right?
	Whatever.
	But she tries her very, very best to poor the poor thing.
	And she wants to satisfy you, and you know she cares about you.
	Wouldn't you be like, well, I don't care that she can't take dick because that's actually a quality woman, which is rare in the world today.
	But I am genuinely uninterested in sleeping with a woman who I don't have a connection with.
	If a girl said to me, I don't love you at all, I don't feel anything for you at all, I don't want to sleep with you, but I will, I would say no.
	The sex act in and of itself is okay.
	If you had sex, we've all had sex, right?
	Do you really need to fuck somebody who doesn't give a shit about you at all?
	We live in a world now, right, where we have a lot of narratives which are being broken down and destroyed in real time.
	And I think it's very, very healthy for men and women to look at sex as an act that happens between people who at least like each other.
	The idea that I don't like them at all, but as long as they can suck dick this way, then it's okay.
	I don't give a fuck, right?
	If a girl genuinely loves me with all her heart and gives me a fucking terrible blowjob, I'm still going to be like, well, you love me.
	I love you.
	It is what it is.
	Life's more important than blowjobs and fucking blowing your money.
	That's the truth.
	And if it's not love, if it's not love, let me tell you something.
	Women are the gatekeepers, not men.
	If it's not love, you shouldn't be fucking him anyway.
	This is the reality of the world.
	Just because the modern artist told you different, you shouldn't be fucking any man you don't love.
	That's the first fucking thing.
	Okay, right.
	You shouldn't be sleeping with him.
	No, but it's true.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	Because the intensity, whatever the fuck you say, intensive me, whatever, is not there.
	You will feed it.
	But looking at that from a, you know, just from that angle, you know, there are times, like, I mean, I guess I'll relate it to the sex work.
	There are times where I meet somebody and they're real nasty to me.
	Like in person, they're not nice.
	They say things.
	And like he said, the gatekeeper, I was like, you know what?
	Maybe it's best you see another girl because I don't want to see you.
	And in that sense, yes, I agree.
	I agree that like you want to be with some be with someone sexually that cares about you that at least nice to you.
	Like I had one guy that was insulting me like the whole time and I just was like, this guy's nasty.
	I don't want him and didn't, I just gave him to somebody else.
	Your reaction?
	I mean, yeah, he's saying that he wants to have a romantic connection or a genuine connection with somebody.
	I mean, it's not what we all want.
	The context of the clip is, well, if a girl is sexually experienced, say she's either virgin or maybe she's only been with one guy, there's this trope that a woman who has a low body count, that translates to she's going to be bad in bed.
	Or if she's a virgin, she's going to be bad in bed.
	He acknowledges her trying, though.
	He says, hey, she's trying.
	She's trying.
	It's like, hey, her heart's there.
	She's trying, man.
	You can always teach, right?
	I mean, I think that the best part about two inexperienced people being together is that you learn together.
	I think that's really fulfilling.
	And I'm sure that after a couple of years, it's probably the best sex of your life.
	It's also the most.
	Not even a couple of years.
	Not even a couple years.
	I don't think it would take that long.
	If you're trying, you're practicing every day, you're getting your lessons in, maybe it's.
	That's what an honorable man that actually wants a wife will be able to teach those things.
	And even if he's sexually inexperienced and she's sexually inexperienced, that's like the beauty of a relationship is that when you do love one another, you're creating that emotional connection with them to then continue the relationship.
	And it will write and you'll see improvement.
	And you get to teach each other what you like and don't like.
	You don't need experience to tell them, oh, I like it done to me this way or that way when you get to learn that with each other and continue to explore.
	By experience, I didn't mean like sexual experience, like particular, like, oh, like, what moves do you like?
	I mean, that's obviously like teachable and whatever.
	That's between two parts.
	I'm talking about like just experience with relationships in general.
	I did not, I was not, I want to really like.
	Not sexual experience.
	Yeah, no, Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Just so we have that clear, I was not talking about like, oh, I like it this way and whatever.
	Okay, but I mean, I've certainly heard that as a rebuttal to men preferring women.
	Oh, like, oh, like, she's better than the girls.
	Yeah.
	Oh, God, no.
	No.
	No, but I've definitely heard that.
	Like, if a guy's like, oh, I prefer a girl with a low body count and they're trying to argue, oh, body count doesn't matter.
	It's like, well, oh, what about the gluck 9,000?
	Right.
	I kind of want to wrap this.
	I mean, what I want to kind of make a conclusion for myself just on this whole topic is I feel like women who have a low body count want to feel like, oh, I'm more valuable and I'm better than a girl that has a high body count.
	And I feel like sometimes women with a high body count are trying to be like, oh, well, I'm better because I could do X, Y, Z in bed better than you.
	And I think both of those takes are like absolutely horrible.
	I think there's no one's better than the other.
	I think that if you don't, you know, if you have a low body count, that's fine.
	If you have a high body count, that's fine.
	That's my whole point.
	It doesn't matter either way.
	When I was talking about experience, I meant more just like relationship experience and like what you want and don't want in your partner like as a whole, not as in bed.
	But you said that body count is irrelevant and that men are weird for wanting young virgins.
	Well, yes, young virgins.
	I mean, look, and I think it's strange.
	And I think that you should expect to be with somebody with the same morals as you.
	Like if you're a guy who's slept with a bunch of women, then you're like a hypocrite for wanting a virgin.
	And I think we can agree on that.
	I 100% agree on that.
	And that's all I say.
	Hot take.
	Hot take.
	Do you disagree?
	Well, I think as a guy, if you're, let's say you have a high body count as a guy, I don't think it's, I think it's perfectly reasonable for you to prefer to date women with a low body count.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	But those women don't have to date you because you have a high body count.
	What do you mean?
	Like, nobody has to date anybody.
	I mean, it's reasonable.
	You're allowed to have a preference on absolutely anything.
	There's no one saying you can't have a preference on, like, anything.
	But I think it's kind of— You think it's a double standard?
	I think— I think it's not necessarily a double standard.
	I think it might be kind of unrealistic.
	Like if a man came up to me and was like, oh, I like that you're a virgin.
	And he has 300 bodies.
	I'm going to be like, yeah, and I think most women who are saving themselves, I don't like that term, but saving themselves would agree.
	Like, you probably want someone who's not.
	Yeah.
	There are, that may very well be the case, but there's definitely women who, I think, generally speaking, women care maybe a little bit less or quite a bit less when it comes to their, you know.
	And it is, I don't know if I necessarily like agree with that standard, but like I've definitely hung out with or gone on dates with guys who have, in my opinion, a relatively high body count.
	And as much as I'm willing to forgive it, I wouldn't sleep with them probably.
	No.
	Sorry.
	You would?
	I would not sleep with them.
	Would not because they have a high body count.
	Yeah.
	And honestly, what's high for a man, in my opinion, is probably not the same as what's high for a woman, in my opinion, which is biased, but just logically and realistically, that's how it works.
	But you think it's kind of like hypocritical, kind of double standard?
	Like if a guy with a high body count wants a girl with a low body count on her.
	Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't think it's necessarily a double standard.
	I just think it's hypocritical.
	I think that if you, if you ex I mean, maybe I guess double standard is the right word for it.
	I just feel like if you expect your partner to have certain morals, then you should have those same morals as well.
	So yes, I guess it is.
	Well, I mean, my rebuttal to that is: does there need to be perfect reciprocity?
	No.
	Well, what I'm trying to get at is: does there need to be perfect equivalent between what the two part?
	Like, for example, can we all agree?
	Like, a lot of women would be very attracted to, like, a very wealthy man.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	In order for her to be attracted to him, does she too also need to be wealthy?
	No.
	No.
	Or what about a man who's tall?
	Need she also be tall to be attracted to a man who's tall?
	Or what about a guy who's funny?
	Need a woman be funny herself to be attracted to a man who's funny?
	But I think she's a fan of the person.
	So people desire.
	You have to be funny.
	No, but people desire traits in their partner that they do not necessarily possess themselves.
	So in this case, a man who has a high body count, I think he may very well desire a woman with a low body count because a low body count is a desirable thing.
	So he needs to have morals.
	I'm talking about just having the same morals.
	Because sense of humor is not a moral.
	Height is not a moral.
	Body count or the amount of the, you know, but maybe he's changed.
	Maybe he had a hoe face.
	Maybe she had a hoe face.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't think he could still have a preference.
	Maybe he had a hoe face.
	I mean, you're a lonely person.
	That actually is not true.
	And I know what study reference.
	It's the same for men and women.
	Look up high.
	Statistically, when a man has a body, she actually showed me this.
	When a man has a higher body count, it does drive up divorce rates and stuff.
	But psychologically speaking, orgasm is an oxytocin release for women and a dopamine release for men.
	And that is the facts.
	It is psychology.
	It is your brain.
	It is your biology.
	And you cannot deny that.
	I don't understand why you're trying to dispute things that we have multiple studies on.
	I just feel like I'm repeating myself a lot.
	I'd like y'all to be able to get it.
	Because you will not accept.
	You will not accept that we are telling you science.
	Okay, but I would like to know.
	Sorry.
	I don't know.
	I would like to know how you're disputing.
	We're giving you science and you're disputing it by saying no, that's not.
	It's not like we're giving you a picture.
	Without providing any nuance to your tape.
	It's also easy to say like body count shouldn't matter because people with higher body counts and lower body counts value sex very differently.
	I agree.
	Yeah, 100%.
	It's obviously a very different moral standing.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I feel like I made all my points.
	We're going around circles.
	And to take on what you said, I feel like you're allowed to desire and have preferences.
	It's just the things you listed, like personality traits are so much different than purity.
	Oh, no.
	But, okay, the whole argument is, well, a guy with a high body count, he shouldn't want a woman.
	He should match up with a woman who also has a high body count because, you know, that's fair.
	But it's like, okay, well, both men and women, we're not the same.
	Like, we desire certain characteristics that we ourselves do not possess.
	For example, if you're a super masculine guy, need you date a super masculine woman or can you be attracted, shocker, to a woman who's more feminine?
	No, I agree.
	Because then a woman can also prefer to have a man with a lower body count just the same, even if she has a high body count.
	I also think body count also doesn't have to matter so much.
	I mean, Matt and I literally never talked about it once until we started watching this.
	Is he still in the chat?
	Probably.
	He's probably there.
	I don't know.
	Hold on, Matt.
	Matt, you find out that your girl fiancé over here, she reveals to you, did you guys ever talk about it?
	Yeah, like after we watched your show, like prior to watching our show, you guys never disclosed to each other.
	Did he share his body count?
	I don't know if you want to share it, but it was like higher than mine, for sure.
	You said you were like 40.
	I think it was like above 30, though, for sure.
	You said you were?
	Yeah.
	What?
	His name's Matt, right?
	Yeah.
	Matt.
	She, Uga.
	What is he calling you?
	Ugabooga?
	Boobaloo.
	Matt.
	Ugala?
	Okay.
	She reveals that her body count is 300.
	Is the wedding off, dude?
	Come on, be honest.
	Let us know in the chat.
	Wasn't that my mind?
	Wasn't that mine?
	I think I know his answer, but yeah.
	I would be interesting to know.
	Word.
	Let's move on from this.
	We have another tape video.
	Another one.
	Another one.
	I think we're going to do four, but we're just going to do three, I think.
	Is this it?
	Or is this?
	Wait, which one?
	There's two, right?
	This one's two mids.
	Play it.
	Life without children is very good.
	I don't know.
	And next.
	Let's see the next.
	Actually, no, I think we're good on the tape videos.
	I do want the girls to rate someone's Instagram here before we two people's Instagrams.
	I actually, here, do you know?
	I'm going to go pull it up.
	Matt, if you can read the soup chat and then ask the girls their final thoughts if they have any.
	Made you look gain.
	Mwahahahaha.
	Quickly Google Mega Words.
	Thoughts on cuddle therapy.
	Stop talking, Carly.
	Brian, any chance Matthew Hussie on a future show?
	That was so many different points at one time.
	That would be cool.
	The dating coach?
	I don't know who that is.
	It's a dating coach.
	He's me.
	He has some cool, he's like Australian or something?
	Or New Zealand?
	Yeah, I want to know.
	He's a guy.
	He's a guy I'm thinking of.
	I like him and Jackson.
	The Jackson.
	I don't know.
	He's not finger out.
	He's an Instagram talk.
	I don't know.
	Bala underscore Germany donated $99.
	TTS, this is very nice podcast.
	I wish you all a very nice time.
	Bala Germany.
	Thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	What are our thoughts on cuddle therapy?
	I didn't know that was a thing.
	It is a thing.
	It is.
	It's a little weird.
	Oh, wait.
	I actually heard where people can just cuddle with you highlights.
	Yeah, you are going to have to do it.
	And like, talk to you.
	Oh, yeah, you're like, yeah, I'm not sure of that.
	It's a thing.
	I feel like I feel like I'd be a little bit weirded out if I just had someone cuddle with me, like some random person.
	That's like paying for it.
	It's just scary again because you're bonding with that person that you're not going to have a relationship with.
	It's just going to damage you.
	Cuddling is a very intimate.
	I mean, as much as I wouldn't personally do it, I can see at a really low point of your life if you have nobody else how that can be out there.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	If it works for you, do it.
	And he was talking about Matthew Hussey.
	I think I actually emailed Matthew Hussey a while back inviting him on, but I don't think he got back to me.
	But I'd be down to have him on.
	It'd be pretty interesting.
	He's a female dating coach.
	Is that the guy who I always see on my TikTok reels?
	Like, the prep your way to make women hipst with you, whatever.
	That was my action.
	I was driving in a canal.
	I don't think he's asking.
	Every take I've heard has been about sex, or is that the wrong word?
	No, that's not him.
	Okay, no.
	He's British.
	British.
	What's mango worms?
	What?
	They said Google Mango Worms.
	That's a bad idea.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Here, we're going to get your guys' rating on this gentleman, and then we're going to wrap up the show.
	Eight.
	WCL.
	He's wearing Yang LA.
	He's wearing Yang LA.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Here are the people.
	Swordless donated 100.
	Swordless.
	Love and sex are completely different.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	You can't explain why you love someone, but you can explain why you have an attraction to someone.
	And Ma Adi.
	Thanks for sitting there again.
	And morning/slash afternoon/slash evening slash night slash whatever all.
	Yo, swordless.
	Thank you.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Swordless is a long time supporter.
	And he's a giga chat.
	Okay, thank you, man.
	Appreciate your.
	Glad you were.
	This guy, his name, fuck, I forgot what his actual name is.
	Looks like a Zizdecent.
	Yeah, he does look like a Zizde Science.
	Scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, he looks like a bodybuilder.
	Yeah, bodybuilder, man.
	Seems nice.
	He's hotter than the last one.
	Oh, Michael McCarthy delivering it.
	All right, Brian, you got me to $800.
	I would not care at all about my Bubala body count.
	What matters is that she's number one honest, loyal, and a genuine angel, which she is.
	Get me on the show with her versus the Red Bill Avengers.
	You won't be able to do it.
	That was a nice one.
	I gotta call Cap on that.
	No, I got Cassey.
	I totally believe him.
	I mean, I don't know, but yeah, no, call Cap all you.
	There's men like that in the show.
	All you want, you don't know the real me.
	No, but I mean, he obviously knows your true body count, but like I feel like it would be a different circumstance to reveal.
	It would be for me if it was so many.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	But thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We can tell you.
	Let's pull back up.
	Instagram guy.
	All right.
	Keep scrolling.
	All right.
	So he's very fit.
	He's got a cute dog.
	He's very fit.
	See, men, I feel.
	Okay, I'm not like that.
	I feel like somebody is.
	The super culture of pictures revealing photos, but isn't that also revealing photos?
	Wait, what?
	I feel like men don't know.
	This guy's on Young LA, isn't he?
	Is he don't know?
	I think women post him.
	I mean, probably revealing photos as well.
	Sorry.
	Can we?
	I did not mean to say that.
	No, you're good.
	I was just like, whispering.
	Can we look at his bio and see if he's a young LA app?
	Yeah, we'll scroll up.
	I'm trying to remember.
	I only know him by his like clothing sponsor.
	Yeah, you can scroll all the way up.
	Just to the very top.
	Clothing?
	That's fitness clothing.
	Very, very top to the.
	Michael, that's young LA coach Sony.
	Oh my gosh.
	Yeah, he is on Young LA.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay, you guys are.
	He's definitely a fitness disciple, but I was thinking he was like a meat rider, but he's sponsored.
	Wait, a meat?
	What's a meat rider?
	A meat rider?
	He just looks like a Young LA Avenger.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Every single pose.
	Someone like the superhero T, the pump cover jogger.
	Everything, everything, Young LA.
	The bag, like everything.
	Yeah.
	Now, in addition to him being pretty ripped, I would like to point out, because I'm going to ask you guys if you would, you know, you date him.
	I want you guys to actually answer if you were single, okay?
	He was the main tank in his World of Warcraft rating guild, okay, guys.
	He played a Tauran Warrior.
	He got to Nax.
	You know, they cleared it to KT.
	You know, he was playing on Fairlina, I think.
	You know, he's like a kind of a DP, like DPS, really solid, but he's a tank.
	So, you know, like he plays World of Warcraft a lot, so maybe that's a pro, maybe that's negative, but like, also a very fit guy, very nice guy.
	We were going to have him on the show.
	Unfortunately, you know, it didn't work out.
	But maybe, hey, Michael, if you see this, let's have you on the show.
	Do you are yes, Smasher Pat?
	I don't know what the right fucking is.
	Not because of the World of Warcraft part.
	I like a man who games a little bit.
	Okay.
	Because I don't see myself dating a Ziz disciple.
	Is he?
	I don't know if he's.
	He looks like it.
	I don't know for sure.
	You don't see yourself dating it.
	Isn't your boyfriend?
	No, my boyfriend is not a Ziz Dysty.
	No.
	He's never struggled.
	No, no.
	Oh, yeah.
	My boyfriend likes classic bodybuilding.
	Not hard.
	There's probably somewhere on his computer where when he's not with you, he's like playing Tevez.
	Don't, don't, you're giving me nightmares.
	But yeah, no, but not because of the World of Warcraft.
	The gaming would be cool.
	It's the Ziz Disciple thing.
	Michael, confirm or deny are you Ziz disciple?
	What about you?
	Did you go for him?
	Would you date him?
	Yeah, no, I'd pass both ways.
	Because of the World of Warcraft thing?
	No, not at all.
	I love gamers.
	He's just not your type.
	Yeah, I just want my type.
	Sorry.
	I'm sorry, Michael, dude.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	I feel like he's an attractive guy.
	I feel like I.
	Oh, sorry.
	I feel like he's an attractive guy.
	I don't know if our personalities would clash.
	I guess I haven't met him.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I think just having to meet, seeing more than a picture, I think would be like a video or something like, okay.
	I don't think the World of Warcraft, like, being like a super high rank, if he was super high rank in the military, I'd be like, okay.
	Like, okay, the military.
	But I think World of Warcraft's cool.
	Like, I think it's cool.
	Sure.
	I completely second what Carly One said.
	Oh, come on.
	Really?
	It's just.
	I mean, it's obvious that we would have the same opinion.
	He seems cool.
	And a lot of people do like that kind of content.
	Yeah.
	But I think personally, the subgroup of fitness that we're in, it's a little bit cringe.
	Not that I'm one to speak on that.
	I have to talk about myself.
	No, no, he's the whole Ziz Disciple thing.
	I think it's really outplayed.
	Like, it was a trend for a while.
	It's very like a 14-year-old boy who wants to juice arms.
	Like, yeah, I don't know how to explain it.
	Is he not ripped enough for you?
	Don't get me wrong.
	He has a very nice physique.
	He does.
	But like, you said you like really tall, like, buff guys, right?
	Yeah.
	Is he's not big enough?
	Is that right?
	Like, what's the matter?
	I mean, I can't see how tall he is.
	Who's that guy who like all the girls are fucking simping over the like really Bumsworth?
	Bumsworth.
	Or Chris Bums?
	Four times Olympia winner.
	Chris Bumstead.
	Yeah, no, I don't know.
	Is that more your like physique type?
	Well, he's Mr. Olympia.
	That's like number one in the world.
	Yeah, that's insane.
	That's like looking at like a superhero and being like, hmm.
	Wait, question.
	Would you break up with your current boyfriend from Chris?
	No.
	Bumstead.
	Uh-uh.
	My current boyfriend is 250 pounds lean and benches like 550.
	I'm not large man.
	I'm definitely not lacking.
	The question, or you were saying earlier about like the hotel, like, you know, how the guy will look at the screen and be like, hey, if we need to evacuate, I think something like that's sexy.
	If he does stuff like that in general, I think that's sexy because I like dudes that like are always thinking like they're looking around and they're like, something's off.
	Like, I think it's, I think that's hot.
	Like, they're really aware because I'm not.
	And like you said, with attraction, I like that.
	I'm like, yeah.
	What?
	Wait, so Chris Bumstead is like.
	Oh, oh, um.
	Who do you think like in the industry has your ideal physique?
	Bradley Martin?
	No.
	Who in the industry has the ideal man physique of what I'm seeing?
	For what you would think is attractive.
	Leonardo DiCaprio.
	I'm not going to name drop.
	I just.
	I guess it's a.
	As much as I don't hate to admit it, but I don't know.
	I don't want, like, I don't want to offend anyone, but I think definitely the high part is more important than how big you are.
	Because I've tried it out.
	I've tried out like bigger guys who are shorter.
	It's just like, oh, you're good.
	Most of the time, it ends up being an insecurity.
	And that's the part that is unattractive.
	When the shortness is an insecurity.
	And so that's why I just can't do like I like when a guy's tall.
	But he doesn't, he doesn't have to be as big as C-bum.
	That's kind of ridiculous.
	I think it's also, I don't know if it's necessarily fair, but I think it's more likely for the two of us to have unrealistic physique expectations because we're constantly around like pro bodybuilders.
	Yeah.
	I feel the same way.
	Do you guys like to be so, you know, sometimes in the same industry, like let's say if someone told me, oh, would you date a porn star?
	I would say no.
	I would say no because I like the opposite.
	And would you say, like, you want to be the bodybuilder in the relationship?
	You want to go to the bottom.
	No, you like that.
	Because, like I said earlier, it does make me feel a little bit masculine.
	And I need someone who's going to drown out that masculinity.
	Gotcha.
	and he's going to be just I think definitely like if there's a spectrum we're definitely way farther on the masculine side you need somebody to outweigh that Outweigh it.
	I mean, I feel like you were also asking if we would be with someone in our industry.
	In the industry.
	There's a lot of people who are fit and big outside of the industry.
	I honestly don't have a preference of me dating someone who's in the industry or not in the industry.
	I would prefer a private relationship if I had one.
	And so that would be hard if I dated someone in the fitness industry, but it's not impossible.
	Yeah, it's so strange to me.
	Like my brain, I don't know why I can't wrap around it.
	But if someone's like, yeah, do you want to date a porn star?
	I'd be like, no, I don't at all.
	Like, I have no idea why.
	I can't explain it.
	I mean, that makes a lot of sense.
	I think that's a male gigolo.
	No, I don't know why, though.
	I can't, like, I can explain everything else, but I can't explain why I wouldn't want.
	Maybe, maybe you just want to, like, dive your career for yourself.
	You know, it's like you have your job and then you kind of come home.
	Come home to him, and you don't have to talk about work.
	Something different.
	I'm like, what happened in your day that we saw?
	Novelty, yeah.
	I will say, oh, I'm so sorry.
	I had one bro, I'll circle you in here.
	Would you ever pay a man for just when you just get your chair in?
	If you can, just do it quietly.
	So there is a sex shaman in India that he does, he does some sort, he does some sort of, it's like a training, like a training.
	I would pay for that, and I believe that that's involved.
	But if it was involving the sex shaman, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So that would be, that'd be it.
	Would you date Sony?
	He was attractive, so if he's like cool, and if I was like single, which I'm obviously not, then yeah, I think it's attractive for him.
	And Buff, I'm definitely like fit guys that are like into fitness, too.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he's attractive, but other than that, I don't know anything about him.
	So is there a video of him?
	Like his personality?
	We were talking about that guy.
	We were just like, oh, is there like a video?
	I don't know.
	Just the photos.
	Probs not.
	Okay, all right.
	We're going to wrap up.
	Let's see here.
	Anyone final thoughts before we wrap?
	Speak now forever.
	Hold your peace.
	Feminism has absolutely plagued American women.
	There we go.
	And we need to do something to fix it.
	And obviously it's scientific that us women make connections with men and body count does matter.
	And anyone who says it doesn't matter is lying.
	Hell yeah.
	I feel like I'm so happy that I got to be on this podcast.
	So nice to meet all you guys and have like a normal talk.
	That was cool.
	It was a fun time for sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I had a good time too.
	I'm just so tired, guys.
	I have two hours of sleep in me right now.
	So, yeah.
	Good times.
	It was great.
	Good times.
	Okay.
	Do you have any more on the feminist stuff?
	You said you're a feminist, though, right?
	Don't you object to what you just said?
	I can say a lot of things on the feminist stuff.
	Well, would the feminists, that was when I asked earlier, you said there's two types, and I guess some feminists would disagree that I was a feminist.
	See, I wouldn't even classify myself as a feminist at all.
	I mean, yeah, I'm pro-woman.
	Pro-woman.
	Pro-woman.
	I love being pro-woman, but the feminist movement in the modern day and age now has been completely distorted to not be a pro-woman, even at all.
	It's anti-woman.
	It's anti-traditionalism.
	it's anti-motherhood honestly I mean they're completely hustle culture and that I mean, they're, we haven't talked about abortion, but they're pro-legal genocide and like anti-motherhood in today's day and age.
	They want women to stay in the corporate world.
	They want you to be a slave to your corporation.
	They want women to get married later and later.
	And the feminist movement has been the downfall, I think, of women in especially the past two decades.
	Well, I'll just say, if I can say this, that I don't think everything is so black and white like that.
	Like, I think there are women who do enjoy casual sex and who do enjoy promiscuity to an extent and things like that.
	And I don't think that they have to be judged or looked down on for that because that's just the reality that not everybody's the same and that life in general isn't black and white.
	Sure.
	It's not black and white.
	But I also think that, sure, if women want to say they enjoy casual sex and enjoy promiscuity, then they have to also admit the harm that they're doing to themselves as well.
	For in the long run.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm in a super happy relationship and I have more bodies than some of the people here for sure.
	And yeah, I mean, honestly, I think Matt and I are probably the most happy and the most in love that we've ever been with anyone else ever.
	So it's good.
	Exactly.
	Word, word.
	And then I think the last thing I would just say on that is, I don't know.
	There's definitely like, it's interesting because, I mean, I think even you said you think hookup culture is a bad thing.
	Well, casual sex is sort of the antithesis of like, how can you be against hookup culture but for casual sex?
	I just said that people shouldn't be judged for their body for their body count.
	I didn't say that I was pro or against.
	Well, actually, I don't know.
	You said you're against hookup country.
	I am against hookup culture.
	I think it's like bad for women and men.
	I'm so sorry, guys.
	I'm tired.
	That's fine.
	Anyways, yeah.
	Yeah, all I said is that I don't think women or men should be judged for their body count, and I think it doesn't matter.
	But I am against hookup culture.
	Unfortunately, I couldn't get into that because I felt like I was, you know, like had to explain myself a lot about the body count stuff.
	But I just, I kind of wanted to, I want to dude the issue.
	But I guess the whole thing about like, oh, we shouldn't judge people that engage in casual sex, but also hookup culture bad.
	I don't think you can have both.
	Like, if we, if there's absolutely zero shame associated with just engaging in said hookup culture, aka having casual sex, then how do you combat hookup culture?
	Or do we just say, well, it's a bad thing, but I guess we just keep the status quo going and it is what it is.
	You know?
	Like.
	I don't think, like, it's kind of there, they're conflicting to say hookup culture is bad, but to also say, well, we shouldn't shame people that have casual sex and engage in hookup.
	Like, I don't think those two thoughts can coexist really.
	You either say casual sex is bad, hookup culture, like the two are opposed.
	I mean, I just feel like, okay, I'm running on like no juice here.
	Um, that's okay.
	Yeah, I know.
	Okay, I'm so sorry.
	Whatever.
	Here, I'm just gonna wrap up unless you're gonna.
	Yeah, no, just yeah, please wrap up.
	I'm my back hurts.
	I'm done.
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