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RAGEQUIT KEEKO Returns! She Has 3 Baby Daddies?! | Dating Talk #88

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	Hi, my name is Kiko.
	I'm 23 and I'm a bartender.
	Hi, my name's Jenna.
	I'm 36 and I'm a gas station clerk slash only fans content creator.
	Sorry, did you say age?
	36.
	Oh, 36.
	Hi, my name is Mia Lynn.
	I'm 26 years old.
	And in the interim of getting my PhD in psychology, I've started a male dating advice platform called Men Ask Mia.
	Hi, my name is Madison.
	I'm 18.
	I'm a student at Santa Barbara City College studying econ and accounting.
	I work on the whatever podcast and I'm a host at a bar.
	Chat, were you able to hear Madison well enough?
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm Nicole from California.
	I'm 39 and I'm an investor.
	You invest in what?
	Stock market and as of two days ago, real estate.
	Stocks.
	Do you have a did you ever have a normal person job?
	I worked in fashion for a lot of years.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if it was a normal person job, but I traveled a lot and worked in fashion, and then I left that to- Were you a fashion designer?
	Were you a trend forecaster?
	A trend forecaster?
	Yeah, so I would decide what everyone likes before they know they like it, and we would push it out, and then you chums would buy it.
	Not me.
	I don't buy that shit.
	Yeah, you're stuck in your flannel.
	We know you don't shop, Brian.
	Let's fucking go.
	The fourth day.
	Stuck in the 90s.
	Hi, my name is Michaela.
	I am 22, and I'm from Mobile, Alabama.
	I currently go to the University of South Alabama studying in recreational therapy.
	The University of South Alabama, you said?
	USA.
	Okay.
	What's the how many?
	How many students are there?
	It's a big campus.
	I couldn't tell you.
	30,000, 40,000, 20,000?
	If I had to guess, probably around 30.
	Okay, got it.
	Hello, my name is Priya.
	I'm 22 years old.
	I'm from Sacramento, California, and I co-run a family business.
	I'm a full-time student at ASU, and I'm an athlete.
	You play Batman, or what do you horse girl?
	Horse girl.
	Horses, equestrian, okay.
	Yes, sir.
	Billy, what about you?
	My name is Billy Ray.
	I'm 25, and what do I do?
	Yeah, what do you do?
	What do I do?
	I make men's self-improvement/slash dating content.
	And I'm Dan.
	I go by DM dating on the interwebs.
	I am in sales and also am a dating expert and attraction coach.
	Rock and roll.
	Oh, yeah.
	I am 32.
	32.
	All right.
	Welcome, welcome.
	And we might react to some of you guys' videos a little bit later on in the show.
	So let's go around the table once more.
	So what is your current relationship status?
	Are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule?
	How long have you been single, if you're single?
	And what's your longest relationship?
	Go ahead.
	I'm happily in a relationship, same relationship for this whole past seven months.
	And my longest relationship is like two years, two and a half years.
	How long is your current relationship been?
	About seven months.
	Seven months.
	It's going strong.
	It's going strong.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been dating the same guy for about 12 months.
	And I would say my longest relationship would be six years on and off.
	So you've been dating your current boyfriend for seven months?
	No, almost a year.
	Oh, excuse me.
	Year.
	Sorry.
	Got you mixed up with Kiko.
	And you said your longest was seven years.
	Is that correct?
	Six years.
	Six years.
	But on and off.
	So I don't know.
	Okay.
	And I think in your pre-show notes, you told us you're your mother, correct?
	I am.
	Okay.
	How many kids do you have?
	Four.
	Four kids?
	Okay.
	Same father or?
	I have three baby daddies.
	Three?
	I do.
	Good times.
	So two from one, and then one from...
	See, this is where it gets really confusing.
	Because I kind of just dipped out from the second guy.
	But he knows now.
	So it's not.
	Oh, so you originally didn't tell him?
	Right.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so for the longest time, there was only two.
	And then I eventually told the other guy.
	So now there's three.
	Well, there were always three.
	Well, they're both three, but right.
	They only knew the one kid's life guy's up.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	Can I ask a question on that?
	I have a question.
	So you say you later on decide to tell your child's father.
	Right.
	Did the man who like their father, did he think that was his actual child, or did he know the whole time that that was somebody else's child?
	He knew it was somebody else's and he wanted to act as if it was his own.
	Okay.
	As long as it made a knowledgeable decision.
	And the other guy knew that I was pregnant.
	The guy who got me pregnant knew I was pregnant and just kind of dipped out.
	So I didn't really feel like that.
	Just let me build a timeline here.
	So the first guy.
	Oh, God.
	So let's talk about child number one.
	Right.
	Child number one.
	Right.
	17.
	17 was with guy number one.
	Right.
	Child number two was with guy number one again?
	It wasn't really ever a thing.
	What?
	Like we were just casually dating.
	No, but I'm just okay.
	So.
	No, he's trying to figure out if the first baby daddy was the father of the first two.
	Oh, kids.
	Okay.
	So the first one was only one.
	Got it.
	Okay, so and then number two was with number two.
	Right.
	Number three was with number two?
	I had two boys with my third one.
	So wait, number three is with number three.
	Oh, no.
	So first dad had first kid.
	Second dad had the second two kids.
	No.
	No.
	One, one, two.
	Got it.
	That's what we were trying to figure out.
	So last baby daddy had the last two kids.
	Okay, so I got it.
	I got it.
	Hold on.
	I'm figuring this shit out of you.
	Brian, I realized you weren't a math major, but first kid.
	Second dad, second kid, third dad.
	Third kids had fourth kid.
	And which is the best.
	Holy fuck, that's complicated.
	I've been called the ultimate baby mama.
	This is normal where I come from.
	So then the second kid.
	Wait, and you're from a number two raised number two.
	No, no, no.
	Wait, where are you from?
	Oh, so I would just wish that.
	I think number three raised number two, three, and four, right?
	What's that?
	Yeah, which one did you raise?
	Why did you think two, three, and four?
	Or the number two raised?
	No, no, no, no.
	Okay, that sounds horrible.
	All right.
	Number one.
	No, you guys, right.
	Right.
	Well, you got to think.
	When I had my first child, I was 19.
	So me and the father did not work out.
	And then we split up after the first time.
	Let's do the age breakdown for each of the kids.
	So second child, how old were you?
	I had her two years after I had a child.
	So 21.
	And then.
	And then with the third guy, with the number three and four?
	Kids three and four?
	Well, like, I got pregnant right after I had my daughter.
	I was like, so like four months after I got pregnant, so there's only a year between those two.
	22?
	Oh.
	Yeah, thank you, man.
	17 and having the first kid.
	No shoes for the streets, yo.
	17.
	I was 19.
	Oh, I got pregnant when I was 18.
	Where you had your kids 17?
	Your first kid?
	I think they met.
	Yeah, my children.
	You had your first kid at 17.
	No, my oldest is 17.
	At 19, you had your first kid.
	Right.
	Gotcha.
	So you were, and so your last kid you had when you were 23?
	24.
	24.
	Okay, so.
	Yeah.
	Okay, got it.
	Sorry.
	Are you aiming, you have a new, you've been dating the guy for a year now.
	Are you aiming to have more kids?
	No, no, I'm all done having children.
	All done.
	I'm totally satisfied with what I've done.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	So do the three kids know their dads?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Are they in their lives?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	So everything.
	Did one of the I and I think I might have heard this correctly.
	One of the dads thought one of the kids was his, but wasn't, or did I mishear that?
	No, no, no.
	Trying to establish because she said that the second.
	Okay, yeah.
	So, basically, what happened was I had my first kid.
	Okay, you gotta think I was 18, I got pregnant, him was 19.
	We split up after that.
	That father went to Alaska at the time.
	And then I was having a case, like casual dating thing.
	And you gotta think my baby at the time was a year old.
	And then I got pregnant again and didn't know I was pregnant and was dating somebody new.
	And I had to explain to them that I was pregnant.
	And he's like, We've never had sex, so how are you pregnant?
	And I'm like, obviously, yeah.
	But he wanted to be there, so he stepped up.
	And then you went on to have two children with him, right?
	Okay.
	Oh, got it.
	So it was the guy that you were seeing at the time.
	That's not the father of your third and fourth child, the one that you were seeing when you found out you were pregnant with your second child.
	Not the kids.
	I'm sorry.
	This is so good.
	Say that again.
	So you said, so for your second child, you didn't realize that you were pregnant for a minute and you were dating somebody new.
	Right.
	Is the person that you were dating at that time the father of your third or fourth?
	Okay, okay.
	That was what I was trying to figure out.
	And he was the one that was wanting to step up and fall.
	Right.
	But the guy who got me pregnant, okay, this is where it's going to get really complicated because this is going to get icky.
	He also has, I think, five kids now.
	Okay.
	And all different moms.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So I'm just like, yeah, so I'm just like in the middle of his situation.
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	So yeah, totally.
	You know, yeah.
	So where I come from, that's kind of normal.
	Got it.
	I want to say it's normal.
	That doesn't sound right, but it is.
	It happens.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I get you.
	Small town.
	You said not much to do.
	People get bored.
	Next.
	You said this is fairly common.
	Where I come from.
	Where you come from in Michigan, correct?
	UP, yeah.
	So, like, how many people would you say, multiple baby daddies?
	Oh, God.
	A lot.
	I couldn't even tell you.
	I don't think he means just multiple kids with multiple dads.
	I think he means like that many different kids with that many different dads who also have that many kids with different moms.
	Oh, a lot.
	A lot.
	So is it all just all the same people?
	It's a group of like 20 as well.
	You get a 20.
	It's a really small population.
	Like it's a really small town.
	People have to be.
	Maybe this is where we get the dating, the steps.
	I mean, if it's a small town and she has one of her kids, his son, or father, has five with five different women, like the odds of dating someone you're at least related to by like step is like, it's getting higher and higher.
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, no.
	I only have one other person.
	Move out of that town.
	Move out of that town.
	My kids know who's on the other, so we're good.
	Do you want to ask, how were you raised?
	Like, were you raised from a very similar situation?
	No, I was raised very traditionally.
	Okay, so like white picket fence, one boy, one girl, pairing together, like still happily married.
	Interesting.
	They only ever had children together?
	Right.
	Like, no children with other.
	Got it.
	Do the dads Did you say that the dads have multiple baby mamas too type situation?
	Yeah.
	Oh, hold on.
	On GP up underscore paper.
	Let me interrupt for a second.
	After hearing this novel, let's hear the first thoughts from each person in the room lol.
	It happens.
	It happens.
	Sure, I guess we can go.
	I find it interesting that this happened coming from, I guess, what you would describe as a traditional nuclear family.
	Like, did you have like a really good, did you have a good relationship with your parents growing up?
	I still do, yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think that's.
	I'd love to kind of like understood that.
	Do you want to know like a big factor of why?
	Yeah, I'd love to.
	Maybe I am the way I am.
	I'm mentally in Michigan.
	I have a mental illness.
	I'm bipolar one.
	Okay.
	Is anybody else here bipolar?
	What a question.
	What a question.
	What a loaded question!
	Wait, wait, but I thought you didn't you say in the previous show, Kika, that you have bipolar?
	No.
	Maybe you were just thinking that didn't you say?
	The internet is out to date, Kiko.
	They think she's bipolar and on OnlyFans.
	No, I kind of scorned.
	Is it a different thing?
	Anxiety and depression is a little bit different than bipolar disorder.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	For some reason, okay, I don't know where I got that from.
	I don't know but it's a square rectangle wait I don't want to blame it on that You know what I mean?
	That seems like a top-out, but I feel like that is a lot of issues.
	Well, sure.
	So there's two kinds of bipolar.
	Right.
	There's type one, type two.
	What is the difference?
	So I got like super excited when I found out it was one, right?
	Because I was like 17 when I got diagnosed.
	And I was like, ooh, bipolar one, that's got to be good, right?
	Number one.
	No, that's the worst you can have.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	So like I can have manic episodes.
	It's awful.
	It's like, so type two is kind of more tame?
	Two is more up, down, up, down, up, down.
	One, you're more like all the way down, you know, and then don't want to get out of bed, not moving.
	And then like, and then I have other moments where I'm like on cloud nine.
	They're like a lot, a lot of artists are bipolar.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Is it like hypomania or mania?
	Both.
	Both.
	So you experience like tame forms of mania and then like extreme forms of mania.
	Right, exactly.
	Like I'm medicated now, and so I've been actually pretty healthy for the last probably about a year and a half, I would say, and really not that long, to be honest with you.
	Good for you.
	And just in terms of your children, like first of all, are you taking care of all of them or are you taking care of some and fathers are taking care of others?
	It's a group effort.
	I actually went to jail and I lost, like, I don't want to say I lost custody because I still have custody, but like I had them full and then it turned to like every other weekend.
	And I don't know if you've ever tried to bond with your child over every other weekend.
	It doesn't really work.
	My oldest son has always been with me just because me and his dad are like on good terms.
	But with the other three, I would say we're getting there.
	You know what I mean?
	Every year it gets a little bit better.
	We're getting better at co-parenting and stuff like that.
	How does you talked a little bit about the bipolar stuff?
	How does that manifest itself in your life?
	Is it like are there certain things that set it, or used to set it off at least?
	Oh, like a trigger?
	Yeah.
	That's, you know, it's interesting that you said that.
	Because I really don't know what my trigger is yet, which is crazy, right?
	Because I'm 36 and you'd think I would know by now, but I do not know what my triggers are.
	So what are the symptoms for you?
	Is it impulse control type stuff?
	Right.
	I'm really impulsive.
	Like, the biggest thing is you don't want somebody to go manic.
	Like, if I go manic, I mean, I think there's like, you know, I can fly.
	I'm going to jump off the roof.
	Yeah.
	Based.
	You know what I mean?
	It's bad.
	It's not only time.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, it's the reality of what it can be.
	I think people just think it's up, down, up, down, up, down, but it's what's the tallest building you've ever jumped out of?
	Thankfully, nobody's ever let me jump, so I don't know.
	Maybe off of like a small roof or something, you know.
	Like, if second story, you survive that, right?
	Oh, yeah, for sure.
	I'm sure I've fallen out of trees that, you know, yeah.
	Have you ever skydived?
	No, but I would love to.
	My grandma has.
	But so when you're in a manic state, you want to literally jump off of buildings.
	Nothing.
	Like, you're just wild.
	You're just out there.
	Okay.
	You just, and it's like you're.
	The definition of mania is essentially like eccentric behaviors that aren't defined by your norms.
	So like gambling, being sexually promiscuous, spending lots of money, things like that.
	Things that can like self-sabotage or damage your life in some way.
	Can dogs be bipolar?
	You know what?
	Dogs, yeah.
	Because my dog used to like try to hump everything.
	And then have periods of depression.
	I don't know that that makes sense.
	Wait, wait, would your dog have like periods of depression or something?
	Oh, he's just horny as well.
	He's just horny then.
	He's like trying to hump inanimate objects too, like fucking fire hydrants and shit.
	So your dog have a lot of fun.
	Your chat, was my dog bipolar?
	Okay, so the original super chat was, hey, what's everyone's first reaction?
	I don't want to linger on it too long just so we can move on.
	But Billy Ray, anyway?
	I was just thinking about the child support.
	It's significant.
	Yeah.
	Well, but what if they're like, I mean, are they doing okay financially?
	Well, the great news is my son actually works at McDonald's.
	He makes as much money as I do.
	He's 17, right?
	He's a hard worker.
	And my daughter, she actually probably makes more money than her dad does.
	Babysitting.
	Okay.
	And then my two youngest boys, they're still pretty young yet, you know what I mean?
	So they're just starting out, but one's trying to work at dominoes.
	And I mean, they're all good kids.
	Like, I got really lucky.
	I'm the only mess.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Wow.
	Did anyone else have a thought?
	Otherwise, we'll move on to the next one.
	That's a very complex situation to be in.
	And what I think of when I first hear that is just like all of the emotions and how the kids are impacted by that and how they feel about it and what you've gone through, et cetera, et cetera.
	It's a very complicated situation.
	Oh, hold on, my God.
	Kiko, Roast, and Joy a donated $100 to Kiko Discountariana Grande.
	What's it like being the least popular girl at the Old Mike?
	Just Josh and you.
	I love you.
	You should team up with Brian to start a nov.
	You could make $200 per month easily.
	I kid.
	Your boyfriend is a saint.
	Proverbs 21:19.
	Kiko, any thoughts?
	Your response?
	Thank you for your comments.
	That was a lot to unpack.
	Only thing I can take away from that is I will never be starting in OnlyFans.
	No hate towards it, but that's just not.
	Never?
	Never.
	No.
	And I've never par took an orgy, so I don't know how that feels.
	How did it feel for you?
	Okay, there you have it.
	Do you mind me asking you a question?
	And you can, of course, not, you don't have to answer it at all.
	Are there any specific things that stick out in your head that maybe your bipolar has affected the way that you parent your children?
	I mean, obviously the biggest thing is just not being able to be there for them, right?
	Being in and out of jail is, you know, that's devastating for a child.
	I think that's the biggest thing, you know what I mean?
	I'm really lucky that my kids love me.
	You know what I mean?
	Like genuinely.
	Because I meet a lot of people that do not have the bond that I have with my children.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Are all your children, are they located close to you?
	I know you said that you have them, or most of them, part-time.
	Yeah, my daughter's the farthest one away, and she's like 40 minutes.
	Okay, not bad at all.
	All right, let's keep it moving.
	Relationship status situations.
	I really don't know how to follow that one up, but I did get roasted last time for saying that I was dating, talking to, courting, whatever, to two different men.
	Non-sexually.
	Okay.
	So you're not single, but dating two men?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	But not intimate with either of them.
	Sure, we talked about that last stream, but you're not sleeping with either of them.
	Not until there's a commitment.
	Allegedly?
	Allegedly.
	Not until there's a commitment, but they can sleep with other women if they'd like.
	Are there any other men in the picture?
	No.
	None?
	None.
	Are you on any dating apps?
	No, I don't do that stuff.
	You don't do dating apps?
	No.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Three and a half years.
	Well, almost four.
	And we lived together.
	It was a monogamous relationship, closed on both ends.
	Okay.
	Ended about almost two years ago.
	Are you dating someone here while you were in California?
	Someone in Phoenix that came to California.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No, because you've been in California for like a week, right?
	No fleeing type situation or anything?
	No, I don't do that.
	No.
	Okay.
	Madison, what about you?
	I am taking and I'm in a very committed relationship.
	My current relationship is my longest.
	It's almost 11 months and like five days or something like that.
	All right.
	Did you guys have a question for Mia?
	It looked like you maybe had something on the...
	I love it.
	Dude.
	Well, just in, so you're courting two men?
	It's difficult to do the labels because if you say you're talking, that can mean that you're sleeping with them.
	I say courting because that implies that you're just talking.
	Do those men know that you're seeing multiple people?
	Yes.
	They've actually both preferred that they date other people and that I have the option to date other people as well until there's a finalized commitment.
	Okay.
	And how do you think that they actually view this?
	Like if they're allowed to sleep with other people, they're not getting anything from you sexually, but you guys are dating?
	Yeah.
	Well, one of them is completely abstinent.
	We met at mass.
	So the other one is a little bit older, about 10 to 15 years older than me.
	And he just got a divorce like a year ago, so he's just taking it very, very slow, essentially.
	Okay.
	Now, the guy who's abstinent, that's a religious choice.
	He doesn't want to have sexual choice marriage?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay.
	Do you mind if I ask, are you a virgin?
	No, I'm not.
	You're not?
	Okay.
	I'm not.
	I grew up Christian, though, like Protestant suburbs, like white pick offense, like she said, the whole shebang.
	Now, the guy who's abstinent, I mean, it's very odd, like, to know that you're just head-to-head with another guy.
	The divorcee, I can see him being like, no offense.
	I can see him kind of shrugging it off, being like, all right, I'm out of a marriage and now I'm dating.
	All right, did you see another guy?
	That's how I see it.
	But a guy who's looking at you is potentially the girl who's going to take his virginity, who he's going to dedicate his life to.
	Has he been very open and honest with you about how he feels and what has he actually told you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, God.
	I don't know if I'm allowed to say that because our conversations are so private.
	But we've had in-depth conversations about sexuality, the church, what that means, what I want, what he wants, where we'd be going, how we should take it slow, et cetera, et cetera.
	I get what you're saying about the divorcee, and I think you're spot on about that one.
	In terms of finding someone that's going to want a long-term commitment for me, like a guy that's abstinent from church, dating a girl who had a little bit of a wild phase in the beginning of college and then simmered down a bit.
	I totally understand that.
	But, you know, a lot of Catholics practice forgiveness and understanding.
	Sorry, are you going to have a problem if you have to wait till marriage if you decide to settle down with this man?
	No, no, no.
	I've made that promise.
	And what is it about him?
	So you said you already have your doubts a little bit about the divorcee and what those intentions are.
	So what's keeping you from just deciding on, I feel like I'm putting you on the spot.
	No, go ahead, go ahead.
	But what's keeping you from just saying, oh, like, this is the guy who's going to commit to me long-term.
	I love him.
	He's awesome.
	Like what's keeping you from just saying sorry are you talking about can you phrase the question?
	are you talking about the abstinent guy what's keeping you from just saying can I tell you the truth Sure.
	If he asked me to be his girlfriend right now, I would 100% say yes.
	because he wants to date other people so I just like so he also wants to date other people yes Yes.
	Wait, and this is the guy that's waiting for marriage?
	Yes.
	And he's Catholic.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, he's a Catholic in New York City.
	They like to get girls' numbers.
	They like to flirt, but then they don't take it further than that.
	How long have you been dating him?
	I guess that's fair.
	About a few weeks.
	Oh, so it's a super early on.
	Yeah, it's new.
	Got it.
	I do have a question for you.
	Sure.
	You had said that you made a promise.
	Does that mean you're waiting till marriage as well?
	So yeah, I mean, if we're going to get into it, I grew up Protestant, and when I went off to college from about 18 to 20 years old is when I believe that postmodern feminism, like on Twitter, like really indoctrinated me.
	I wasn't taught anything about sex.
	It was like spread your legs, act like a man, and just give it out to anybody, and that's it.
	And I learned the hard way that that is no way to live at all.
	So yes, I did make a promise to myself and to the church, to God, that I would not have sex on the first date, second date, third date, fourth date, fifth date, whatever.
	Stop the cap.
	Brian, are you kidding me?
	I literally lay everything out here.
	Come on, come on.
	That's come on.
	No, come on.
	This notorious, like, you can't be like a 304 and then come back to your traditional beginnings.
	It's just BS.
	Come on.
	I think it's a good idea.
	You can't.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you so much.
	You can.
	Brian.
	You can make 180 changes.
	Okay, well, why?
	Why don't you buy it?
	Yeah, it's like.
	I mean, well, you're having a double standard, too.
	I love Chase.
	Chase stopped after eight.
	No, right.
	It absolutely happens, and you hear about it all the time.
	That is quite, I suppose, literally what someone who is a born-again virgin is.
	They had sex in the past, and now they're changing their standard, and they're going to be waiting until marriage.
	But you can understand, though.
	You know?
	Because you are dating a guy.
	It sounds like the other guy who you're dating.
	Is he also a religious guy who's waiting until marriage?
	No, but he understands my, like, my, like.
	Why would a guy who's, would.
	You tell me.
	Can I give my opinion?
	Go ahead, unsolicitedly.
	Sure.
	Tell us about the trend.
	I think drop the older divorcee.
	Be committed to the good man who's Catholic, who's abstinent, because he will be a good man to you and for you and will help you in this.
	The other one, I mean, if you're serious about going back to the church and waiting for marriage and you truly have this good Catholic, abstinent relationship.
	Let's not watch it.
	Why not go into, why not drop the other name?
	Because I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I'm like some good Catholic girl.
	No, no, Catholic.
	No, but you know what I mean?
	Like, my devotion is not.
	No, but you can get a good man and the good man can help you become a better person.
	Yeah, 1,000%.
	But if that man that I'm attracted to at Mass is saying, hey, I would like to court and date other people before we make a commitment, I'm going to respect that.
	And if it's somebody that I like, I'm going to respect that.
	And I'm also okay with polygynous relationships in which it's closed on my end and open on the other.
	So I'm not one for conventional relationships.
	I'm not trying to promote traditionalism.
	I'm just trying to say what works best for me, my neurochemistry, my body, and my brain.
	Okay, so you're open to polygamy?
	No, polygyny.
	Oh, polygyny.
	Which means closed on my end.
	Open on the man's end.
	Okay, but if you marry him, will you get married in the Catholic Church because they won't allow that?
	It depends.
	I mean, that's a whole journey ahead of me.
	There's still time to work.
	I'm just rooting for the abstinent Catholic man.
	Trust me, so am I. I'm so messed up.
	Can I ask you a question, actually?
	Sure.
	Because, like, I'm curious, because I have a lot to learn.
	I think I mentioned that I have, like, I'm starting like a male dating advice sort of forum called Men Ask Mia.
	Right now it's free because I don't feel like I'm educated enough on the subject to give out paid advice.
	But I, like I said, I did grow up in the church.
	I resented it.
	My parents were monogamous, and I did not like them.
	We did not have a good relationship.
	We do not speak.
	So when I went off to college with no education, no sexual education, well, I was left to my own devices and I was in New York City.
	So I just got sucked up by the secular world.
	And I don't think it's that crazy that someone that grew up in the church is coming back to the church in a different way.
	I'm just learning how to fit it into my life into like a way that's not like, I'm perfectly Catholic and traditional now, but also honest about my past.
	Do you think a guy in the Catholic Church would accept that?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I think there are plenty of guys in the church who are not like.
	View me as tarnished.
	They're not like looking for that.
	Like if you were a virgin, great.
	But not every guy is looking for a virgin.
	And I've made this point on my channel before.
	I think in the modern dating world, when people say that body count is different for men versus women, they are absolutely correct.
	It is definitely different for men versus women.
	But a lot of the numbers that I hear men throw out, like I think a lot of the numbers are harsh for the exact reason that you brought up, which is women your, how old are you?
	26 years old.
	Women your age and pretty much up to your age were completely indoctrinated into thinking, into having a completely diluted view of what sex actually is, the men included.
	So I, it's not that I give women a pass.
	I think that they still need to be accountable.
	And I still think that what you're doing right now, this whole like kind of born again, I'm going to save my body for the man who I want to dedicate my life to, I think that's great.
	I think there are plenty of men who will see that and be like, good enough, like more than good enough.
	That's great.
	I know, I just don't like the concept of being tarnished.
	I don't like that.
	But look, just because you see that word used in commons does not mean that men will look at you as, it does not mean that a lot of men are going to look at you as just a completely used up asset.
	Like there are certain types of women who completely take pride in how sexualized they are, who take pride in how many bodies they rack up.
	There are women who think, oh my god, like I'm really behind when they hear their friends' body counts.
	That's what I used to think.
	That's horrible.
	That's what I used to think.
	And I think that a lot of the stuff that I talk about and a lot of the stuff that we talk about, it's really because we don't want to be raising kids in a generation where a lot of the stuff that has become normalized is normalized.
	I don't want my daughter growing up thinking like OnlyFans is a good option for her career.
	I don't want my daughter growing up in a world where she thinks that she needs to use sex to make a man love her.
	I don't want my son growing up in a world where he's exclusively objectifying women.
	And we can, I know you're a psych, a psych girl.
	We can get into the psychology and the hormones and all that stuff at a certain point later.
	But no, I do think that she's spot on.
	And the other thing that I would ask you is, why won't you ask for the relationship?
	This is something that women women always want men to make the first move, but what about this move?
	To be honest, I'm a little scared.
	Okay.
	A little scared.
	So intimidated.
	Question for, well, I know Brian's opinion on this, but question about your opinion on this.
	I think that a lot of the times men want the women to ask.
	Do you really?
	I think the women should ask.
	Well, I'm not saying necessarily that they should ask, but I think a lot of the times men want the woman to ask once you get to a certain point.
	Everything is nuanced.
	Myron Fresh and Fit spells this out pretty well.
	Men are working from a deficit, essentially.
	So in order for, because you guys have so many options relative to the options that most men have, it's a very small subset of men that have the abundance that allows them to be truly, truly like picky, right?
	Women, for the most part, a lot of men are objectifying them.
	Check your DMs, check your comments, check your email, her email.
	She gets marriage proposals every day.
	Oh, no.
	Like, but, like, because you're working from a deficit in terms of what you have to do in order to get that abundance, you want the girl to almost be bought in a little bit more because it's going to be...
	To balance out that power.
	Because you're going to want to stay more than her.
	Because you don't want to have to go back and have to put in all that work again to attract someone.
	You don't have to put in the same amount of work just to get through the attraction.
	That's why I call myself an attraction coach.
	Men need help attracting women.
	Women need help retaining men.
	Absolutely.
	Women need relationship advice.
	Men need attraction advice.
	I do think there are different options, though.
	Like, for instance, me and her, we had the most basic on-off relationship in the sense that we dated for a brief period of time.
	We ended up breaking up for logistical reasons.
	And then less than a year later, through a weird sequence of events, we ended up getting back together.
	I was the one who had broken up with her.
	And what?
	Just lay it out there.
	Just get ready.
	We'll throw her under the belt.
	Well, the reason why I say that is because at that point, it's going to be really difficult for me to expect her to ask me for a relationship when I've left it before.
	Sure.
	So basically, I didn't ask her for the relationship.
	I basically told her I was like, hey, I know you're falling in love with me.
	I'm falling in love with you too.
	This is like, we're doing this.
	So I didn't ask.
	I basically told her, like, we're in a relationship now.
	But you also just, you know, like, when you know, you know, like, like, it's that kind of thing.
	Like, at a certain point, you're just like, I know that, I know this is exclusive.
	I know we're not dating different people.
	Like, I want you, you want me.
	Like, we're doing this.
	So, yes, I think that a lot of times men wanting women to ask first makes a ton of sense because of that deficit that I talked about and the work that men need to put in to attract the women.
	Intimidating.
	But again, that's because I think women also have this weird delusion where they like being chased, but they hate the guys who are chasing them.
	They want the thing they're chasing, which is the guys who aren't chasing them.
	So you like this idea of a guy coming to you and asking, but you don't actually want that guy.
	Also, just to add to that thing, when it comes to maybe women should be the ones asking for the relationship, do you think it's also related to women gatekeep sex, but men tend to gatekeep commitment or relationships?
	That's what I was going to say, because you said like women have an issue retaining men, like keeping them.
	So I feel like that's the reason why a lot of women don't want to ask a man for a relationship.
	Because if I feel like I have to ask him, that puts, I feel like that puts a doubt in my mind that like, does he even want to be here?
	And especially when men are more known to have wandering eyes and not wanting to.
	So it's like if he wants to go see and date other women and she's like, no, I want this.
	And even if he agrees, like, I feel like in the back of my mind, I'd always have doubts.
	Like, he's abstinent, so we know he's not sexually engaging them.
	But like, is he still, you know, talking around, dating around?
	Because if he has a woman.
	That's exactly what I meant when I said I was scared to ask.
	So how long ago did you guys have this conversation about having an opening?
	We went to like a young adults mask.
	Sure.
	And we met there and we basically just laid everything out on the table because there was an immediate attraction.
	But this was when you first started to talk to each other.
	Have you had a previous conversation after that?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	What's your relationship status?
	Oh, I'm single.
	How long have you been single?
	I've been single for about a year and a half.
	1.5 years.
	Longest relationship?
	Two years.
	Two-ish years.
	Two years.
	Okay.
	So you were on our show two weeks ago, three weeks ago?
	Two or three Sundays ago.
	Okay.
	And you posted publicly on your Instagram, you had actually met a guy while you were here in Santa Barbara.
	Is that correct?
	I did.
	Yes, the next morning after I was on your show, getting roasted that I hit my wall.
	So the day after you were on the show, you met a dude who.
	I did.
	And do we, I don't know if we, do we, we got some screenshots actually of your story that you posted.
	Life is wild.
	One day you're on a podcast being told your standards are too high because of your age.
	And the next day a man who has every quality you mentioned approaches you eating your burger and reading a book and asks you to come hang out with him all day.
	For inquiry, inquiring minds, 36 years old, 6'3, never married, no kids, business owner, financial planner, who has all his money ducks in a row.
	Funny, kind-hearted, paid for everything, including the burger I was having solo when he approached me.
	Women, know your worth.
	Extending my Santa Barbara vacay through Wednesday.
	Love it.
	Yeah.
	And I think there's, is there one more?
	Tab over.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Dressed well, not in flannels.
	Oh, shit.
	And wearing a real watch.
	If you watch.
	So yeah, on the episode, you said something about if a guy doesn't have a watch that I don't remember exactly what you said.
	You want me to recap the watch?
	Yeah, well, okay, so a couple questions here.
	This guy approached you.
	Seeing what happened?
	You're still single.
	I am still single.
	Didn't you going to meet up with him while you're here or what?
	I'm not.
	What happened?
	He doesn't have the values that I want.
	He's a great guy.
	I have nothing negative to say about him, but I am Catholic.
	And when we got a little deeper into that, I was like, no, I think I need to actually just fully focus on a man who's religious and has faith.
	And he didn't, but he had all of those fantastic qualities, and it was nice.
	Did y'all come on?
	No.
	You didn't?
	You know?
	No.
	You know?
	Didn't?
	No.
	I'm so sorry.
	So sorry.
	So, okay, how many days...
	We just met.
	How many days did you, did you, well, you just met?
	I mean, you're asking if I slept with him after going out with him once.
	That's pretty.
	People do that.
	Fairly, right?
	That's pretty common.
	That's fairly common.
	Okay.
	But you meet up with him twice.
	In our younger generation.
	How many times did you meet up with him?
	Only two nights.
	Okay.
	Yeah, two nights.
	So the first, well, one was like afternoon, right?
	When he approached me when I was eating my lunch and I was reading a book and he asked what I was reading and he was very nice.
	Gentleman, had a great afternoon.
	And then we went out to dinner the second night.
	Again, great conversation.
	But I just, through conversation, learned a couple of things that for me would be difficult in a long-term partnership.
	So.
	What are the couple things?
	The religious stuff, right?
	Just the religious stuff.
	Yeah, so he doesn't, you know, he's, I think, agnostic or not really religious at all.
	And then just a couple things about him that would just be difficult for me.
	A male stripper?
	What?
	No, no.
	What was the issue here?
	Well, I don't, I mean, you kind of, you showed sort of a photo of him, and so I don't want to say anything because that's his private life.
	And I don't feel it's mine to show him.
	I'm just directly on your Instagram.
	Yeah, but I didn't post publicly what you're asking me.
	So I'd like to pass on that question.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yes, of course.
	Do you think that you can be any age and get any man that you want?
	No.
	You don't think that?
	No, I don't.
	So what do you think?
	I think that at different ages, men and women can obtain different partners.
	So, for example, I'm 39.
	So is a 25-year-old man going to marry me?
	Most likely not.
	Do I want to marry a 25-year-old man?
	Also, no.
	Hold on, just exactly as you can.
	Thank you for $100.
	Hey, Brian, I experienced a not-so-great situation with someone I worked with who lied about her intentions and caused emotional trauma a couple of years back.
	Flash forward to today, I'm hesitant to show interests to a person that is interested in me.
	I worked with who lied about her intentions and caused emotional trauma.
	So are you like, did you get me too'd, Prometheus?
	If you did, sorry to hear that.
	It sounded like you had something you wanted to do.
	Honestly, I mean, yeah, it's a little vague, but I take away from that that abuse goes both ways, that it can traumatize both men and women.
	Sounds like he's super scared to even approach girls, if I'm reading that correctly.
	Definitely afraid, even if he gets on a date to share his true intentions or get into something because he's afraid he's going to get his heart broken.
	That's what I took away.
	Yeah, he says he's hesitant to show interest in a person that is interested in me because he thinks he's going to get tricked.
	Tricked into what?
	Tricked.
	I didn't clear what happened.
	You know, you could just swear off women.
	That's an option.
	I'm just, you know, swear I'm off, you know?
	That's a solution.
	That's an easy solution.
	It's terrible.
	Live a life of options.
	AI girlfriends are coming, I guess.
	That's what you're going to do after that.
	Let's not promote that.
	Let's not promote that, Brian.
	Many arguments are not.
	Chase will definitely not come off.
	I feel like Brian would absolutely have an AI girlfriend.
	And like, he's a robot perfect girl.
	No, why would I have what?
	Why would, like, hold on, when you say an AI girlfriend, like a digital to keep me company, huh?
	No, no, no.
	So, Brian, they're creating these essentially VR, these ways to have virtual reality girlfriends.
	Like that movie, what was that movie?
	Yeah, like her mother.
	Her, exactly.
	No, with Joaquin Phoenix.
	Yeah, Spike Jones, the director.
	It's called Her.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Nah, that shit would be kind of lame.
	No, but no, I'm saying that.
	They do like a physical body and make it warm as a human being's temperature.
	I'm down.
	See, what did I say?
	What did I say?
	I was like, why not?
	Sister wives.
	And it could perform other tasks too, like fucking do my laundry.
	Fuck yeah.
	Let's go.
	Okay, honestly.
	So there are articles that have come out recently about these AI like girlfriends or sex robots that basically talk about how they can give the exact same sexual pleasure and emotional pleasure that real people can.
	And so there's no need for real-life relationships.
	If what you're asking is that they probably can't give birth or no, they absolutely can't, and that's the problem.
	Well, they might be able to give pleasure, but that's it.
	A lot more to life than pleasure.
	Well, absolutely.
	But I mean, I'm arguing against it.
	She's like a half-life.
	I think it's absolutely stupid.
	Hold on.
	Being used, sorry for the lack of transparency.
	She showed romantic antics only to lie about her intentions with me.
	This same person is causing inappropriate actions within the workplace.
	It's women I work with that I'm hesitant trusting.
	Don't date people that you work with.
	Yeah, I wouldn't do that.
	Well, you know what, though?
	I kind of disagree with that a little bit because once you're out of college, like it depends on where you work, right?
	If you work at McDonald's, then yeah, you could date the person, but if you're like a high up, it's dangerous.
	It's tricky for me.
	No, but like, let's say you're on, there's not like impropriety because you're her superior.
	You're both on the same level, let's say.
	Maybe you're in different departments.
	I don't think, like, is it that like workplace romances?
	No, it can get messy because the workplace is the exact reason.
	Why?
	Because, like, obviously, he works at a job that he's not willing to leave for this reason.
	So, if you're going to date someone at a career, that it's a career and not just like a part-time job for you, and you're not willing to step away from that, no relationship is 100% positive to go well.
	So, when you start that, you're willing to not just like you're inhibiting your whole workforce by doing that.
	So, idealistically, I think it's okay to date co-workers.
	However, in this current dating landscape, in the current workplace landscape, I strongly recommend against it, especially if you're a man.
	There's always exceptions to the rule, and I totally get that, but I don't think it's something that should be.
	But, but I, like, on the most basic level, I don't object to co-workers dating each other.
	But because of the current landscape, when it comes to the male-female dynamics in the workplace, strongly recommend against it.
	But I don't have any quarrels with it generally.
	I live in a really small town, so working with somebody and dating, you know what I mean?
	That's really like I did bartend with my boyfriend for several years, and I liked it.
	Sure.
	So, I think that there's a different dynamic around a place like a restaurant or a bar as a workplace compared to like a corporate job or something.
	Did he say where he worked?
	No, no, no.
	No, he said he showed me that.
	No, it is very vague, but I totally understand what you're saying.
	Did he get used?
	He said he was used.
	I think what it was is this woman made her intentions seem like she was really interested in having a relationship with this man when they really weren't, and she maybe skewed the situation a bit.
	I would venture a guess that maybe he was someone above her in some sort of corporate setting and she basically like honeypotted him into maybe getting fired or like maybe being demoted.
	Why don't you send another TTS and let us know?
	Give us some more details, slowly but surely.
	Fat Bastard donated $100.
	Nice.
	Get in my belly.
	I want my baby back Ribs, I want my baby back Ribs.
	Chili's baby back ribs.
	All right.
	For $100.
	Thank you, Fat Bastard.
	You could get those ribs for like $15 at Chili's, probably.
	I think I'm going to do Doctor Evil impersonation the rest of the show.
	All right.
	Thank you, Fat Bastard.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	So just going back to you.
	We still are on the relationship status, huh?
	Yeah, I know.
	We're still on that.
	Okay, you met the guy.
	It didn't work out.
	She didn't smash.
	No smash.
	Zero smash.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	What was the thing with the watches and the flannel?
	I think we were going to get into that.
	You're not a fan of the girl.
	So I was, okay, are we going to start with flannel or watches?
	Yeah, just recap real quick.
	Okay, so I had said last time I was on here about watches that when a man shows up to a date wearing a real watch, a non-eye watch, I appreciate that.
	And I think an eye watches.
	Yeah, I think an eye watch can come off as a little bit rude, like a phone on the table.
	Like, it's like, because it's there to connect you and you keep all this stuff.
	I also think from a style perspective, like a timepiece is very personal for a man.
	It's something that's passed down.
	It's something that completes an outfit.
	And I'm not saying people are like, oh, are you saying it's a red flag if he's wearing an eye watch?
	No, I'm not.
	Of course I'm not saying that.
	It's perfectly fine to wear an eye watch.
	What I'm saying is if he shows up wearing a proper timepiece, it's very attractive.
	Like a woman showing up in heels.
	Sure, she can show up in flats and that's cute.
	And maybe you don't like heels and that's fine.
	You don't need to wear them.
	But they, boom, they give you that extra little something.
	And people had a problem with me having this opinion about a man's watch.
	That's it.
	What about if there's no watch?
	Is that a kind of a.
	No, I mean, it's a negative.
	No, I wouldn't say it's a negative.
	I would just say my first preference is that he's wearing a classic watch.
	Classic watch.
	Classic watch.
	It doesn't need to be expensive.
	It doesn't need to be.
	It's a good watch.
	It's great.
	It doesn't need to be expensive.
	I'm not saying that it needs to be an expensive watch.
	Is that like a 10 out of 10 watch?
	You would appreciate that.
	Yeah, I would appreciate that.
	It doesn't need to cost a lot of money.
	It just needs to suit you, and it's just like a little reflection.
	It's like a, it's, you know, men don't have a lot of accessories like women, okay?
	He's got like shoes, belt, watch.
	To me, it's like cologne.
	Yeah, cologne.
	I was about to say, I don't know what got people so upset about me talking about the watch.
	It's a little specific.
	Yeah, it's a little specific, but it's a little outward token that's like a reflection of something else about a man, right?
	It's about the watch, yes, but it's just a reflection of part of his personality.
	A watch tells a little something about a man.
	You can deny that, but it does a little bit.
	What does a no watch tell about a man?
	He's probably unorganized and runs late.
	I'd have to disagree with that.
	No, I very much disagree with that.
	That's a ridiculous generalization about men wearing watches.
	That's ridiculous.
	But no, no watch is just neutral.
	Eye watches.
	No watches.
	Whatever.
	I just appreciate a real watch.
	What's the flannel issue?
	I'm actually putting an eye watch.
	I love a man that cares about his steps.
	Okay, thank you, Kiko.
	I more have a problem with your current pants situation than the flannel.
	Well, it's warm today.
	It's freaking 80 degrees or some shit.
	Can you show your wire?
	Can you show your diabetic size?
	Listen, I am wearing, I am role playing today as a, I'm not going to even say it.
	No, don't say that.
	I'm not going to say it.
	I got some tall socks on.
	I'm not trying it like that.
	Are they compression socks, Brian?
	Yeah, they're compression socks.
	It's like world stronger.
	Do you have horse gallations?
	It's just like, you know, he's sit for a long time, so you might need to get it.
	And these like oversized boxers.
	Get him, Priya.
	They like boxers.
	Yes, they look like humongous boxers.
	They're wearing boxers on the box.
	I believe you just gotta own it.
	Yeah, well, Priya, let me speak on your attire right now.
	You look like you're about to go on Safari first off.
	Can you stand up, please?
	Stand up.
	Show them this.
	And also, look at, look, do you see how bunched up that is?
	When you're sitting, it looks like you have a boner.
	You have a fabric.
	You have a fabric boner.
	Linen shiny.
	Hold on.
	All right.
	Oh, I work at the hospital.
	Yeah, I guess it's best to keep my pen from mixing with the company Inc.
	Brian, I'm Pro Flannel, Alice in Chains.
	Let's fucking go.
	It's a kick-ass band.
	What's Alice in Chains?
	What was their good...
	Rooster.
	Well, it was like Rooster and then...
	Right?
	Alice in Chains.
	It's like grunge, early 90s, mid-90s grunge.
	Yeah, thank you, Prometheus.
	Much appreciated.
	Yeah, Pearl Jam's one of my favorite bands.
	I'm a Nirana.
	But okay, Priya, you literally.
	Okay.
	Like, you have too much fun.
	Can you stand up and show them what you're wearing?
	I'm not going to stand up.
	Yeah.
	Just don't.
	So it's about to be August in California.
	It's fucking hot.
	Yeah.
	You can't see below the tape.
	So I'm wearing some shorts.
	I'm wearing shorts.
	So is she.
	These are shorts.
	Haters are going to hate.
	Haters are going to hate, but that's the wrong camera.
	Brian, I have stated my stance on your flannel so many times.
	Just don't wear it on a date.
	You can wear it.
	I'm doubling down on.
	You can't.
	I'm doubling down.
	I'm going to wear this on a date somehow.
	I'm going to wear my shorts.
	I'm going to wear my shortpoints.
	He wears this and not those pants, but he wears sweatpants.
	I'm wearing my sweatpants.
	That's actually an acceptable outfit where I come from.
	I was about to say all flannels in that.
	It's flannel.
	Yeah, it really is.
	I don't know.
	The flannel's fine.
	I think that would be considered casually dressing.
	See, you got to understand, right?
	California is a little, it's a little more relaxed than all you uppity, uppity people.
	You got New York.
	I'm in California.
	I'm sorry.
	How long have you lived in California?
	Long time since I was five.
	I was born and raised.
	Oh, so.
	And I'm telling you, flannel on the date.
	Flannel on a dinner date with sweatpants, Brian.
	It's just the payoffs.
	Bro, it's just the payments.
	Are they gray sweatpants?
	That's fine.
	That's totally fine.
	Are they gray sweatpants?
	No, they're black.
	Bro, sweatpants are in first off.
	Okay, if they're gray.
	Hold on just a sec.
	Thank you, man.
	Your watch comment goes over the head of most young daters.
	You are absolutely right.
	A night's watch reflects understanding of precision craftsmanship and reflects sophistication.
	Stick to your guns.
	Tell you what, I'll show up to a date well-dressed when the majority of women don't show up to the date with a double-digit body count.
	How about that?
	You guys want to talk about being a gentleman?
	Y'all stop being so promiscuous.
	I'll show up to the date dressed to the nines.
	But here's the thing.
	Y'all, you've got like a fucking long line of previous dicks.
	It's miles and miles of dicks.
	I'm not going to show up.
	Wearing the fucking suit on the first date.
	I'm wearing my fucking sweatpants.
	Wearing my flannels.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Wearing my diabetic socks.
	I don't give fuck.
	Brian, why are you going on dates with those women then?
	Behave like the person that you want to attract.
	What are you doing?
	That's what he's trying to attract.
	Somebody that's going to take care of his family.
	He's saying it's like every girl that he's meeting, is what he's saying.
	Whoa, hello.
	You want a nurse?
	Brian only dresses up for funerals.
	We made that clear.
	We made that clear.
	Brian dresses up for funerals.
	You only have a funeral suit?
	Oh.
	No, nurses.
	What's up?
	Are you on dating apps?
	No.
	Not at all?
	No.
	So how do you meet your women?
	So I, well, okay.
	Oh, hold on.
	Okay, first off, I was banned from Tinder and Hinge because I was using it to try to get guests on the show.
	Then I got banned on Hinge months ago because I was using it to get guests on the show.
	How did they find that out?
	Because the first message I would send, I'd match with everybody.
	I'd be like, hey, do you want to be on my podcast?
	And I wasn't even genuinely trying to date anybody.
	But listen, some people think, hey, that's wrong.
	A lot of the women are on dating apps.
	Here's my Instagram.
	Here's my Cash App.
	Here's my Snapchat.
	Do you have a yacht?
	I'm the one dude who's doing the reverse finesse on the dating app.
	Reverse finesse.
	The one.
	The one and only.
	No.
	What?
	Oh, I heard that.
	No.
	You are not the only one.
	Well, okay.
	There's obviously other dudes finesse.
	Did we not learn from the Tinder swindler?
	Oh, God.
	Yeah, but see when...
	Oh, yeah.
	Here's the difference, though.
	Tinder swindler.
	He was stealing.
	They make documentaries.
	They make documentaries about it.
	One dude doing this.
	Women are doing that shit on the daily.
	It's not one, though.
	We brought it up on this.
	There's this Facebook group that is common in a lot of big areas.
	There is multiple.
	They're all being the same guy.
	Yeah.
	There's a magnitude of men who, and I'm, hey, we should bring awareness to this.
	No, we should bring awareness to this.
	They do this on another level, which is like, most of the time, though, I'm like, how could you be so gullible?
	Like these women?
	But like, yeah, there's women who will go on dates and they have no intention.
	They get a free meal.
	Okay.
	There are men who are scamming thousands, thousands of dollars from women on these apps.
	It's not as common as the reverse.
	I mean, sure, maybe not.
	But like men who will be like, oh, like, I want our date to be this concert.
	I get a hookup on tickets through my company.
	Yeah.
	Just send me $300 for this or like a hotel room.
	You have to be stupid.
	Right.
	Yeah, I'm not sure that's his problem.
	It does happen to men too who get scammed from women that way.
	And then when we say, oh, you have to be smarter than that, it's like they're like, oh, don't blame the victim.
	But like, it happens to women all the time, too.
	So it's like, it goes to the bottom of the bus.
	It's about frequency, right?
	It's like about which one is more common.
	Would you expect a man to try to finesse a woman out of money?
	I don't know which is more, is a bigger deal in a sense?
	Is it a bigger deal?
	How could you assess that between genders when they're totally different?
	Well, I'm saying my reason why I'm saying it is because the one that gets brought up with most women is the free meals.
	A free meal, okay, maybe was the most expensive was you took her to a $100 steak dinner and she scammed you out of it.
	Where the other side is men scamming hundreds of thousands of dollars.
	I don't think that's it.
	I don't think that's it.
	I don't know.
	What you just described would require the most insane con to get her emotionally connected to you to get her to do.
	Whereas what you said before, which is the $100 steak dinner, there are women who will make guys do that 10 to 20 times, never sleep with them while simultaneously sleeping with other men.
	Very true.
	A lot of them.
	A lot of them.
	So What I'm saying is, like, first of all, like, what did we say earlier?
	The amount of effort that men have to put in to get women to fall in love with them to the degree that they will just send them money for a concert.
	Like, I know you guys said that they have to be super gullible and maybe a little bit stupid, but that man is like a master manipulator.
	And there aren't a ton of those.
	I will agree, yeah, it's not a ton, but I mean, it's more common than you think.
	Because I will be bored and scroll through.
	I'm on multiple different ones in multiple cities and stuff.
	And it's happening a lot more than we realize because there are people, we know that there's men out there who have trouble getting dates, finding women, but there's also a lot of women who struggle immensely because of, you know, we say a lot of women, all they are are their looks or whatever.
	Erroneous.
	So, a lot of these women are, it's a lot of women who are in their 30s who are getting a little bit older and feel like they're running out of time.
	So, they're willing to take bigger gambles when it comes to some of these things.
	So, I mean, I can say the same thing, sop story, to the men who get, you know, well, tricked out of the $100 dinner.
	Hold on just a second.
	$39.
	My analog watch is a very important accessory.
	It's color-matched to one of my four cars.
	Priya just said, behave like the person you want to attract.
	I'm off to go buy some safari clothes, and when will we grab a drink?
	No flannel.
	Promise.
	I just...
	Uh...
	Yeah?
	Yeah?
	He's risked Priya.
	Priya, do you accept the Safari offer?
	Wild saved by the Roseman donated $100.
	Kiko, I'm going to have to head down there, and I will rain down an ungodly fucking firestorm upon you.
	You're going to have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you.
	I am talking scorched turf.
	That's from what's that movie?
	Tropic Thunder?
	I'm not familiar.
	So it's a copy-paste.
	He's not actually going to.
	Don't worry.
	I know he's not actually.
	Hold on, we have a chat here.
	John Smith.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Can you ask the girls if a guy owning a gun is a positive deal-breaker or neutral?
	P.S. Shout out to Kiko for being a good sport and coming back on the show.
	Definitely makes the show better to have people with different opinions.
	Word.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Let me come back to that.
	So, owning a gun, is it positive deal breaker or neutral?
	Let me come back because let's just go around and get everybody to reveal the relationship status.
	We haven't even finished it yet.
	Oh, my God.
	At least we know there's okay.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I am single.
	And my longest relationship was two years.
	How long have you been single?
	Since like April 1st, so very beginning of April.
	What a joke.
	Okay.
	How about you, Priya?
	I'm happily married.
	No, I'm totally kidding.
	I'm single.
	Oh, sorry.
	I didn't mean to press that.
	Okay.
	You were a little late on that.
	Well, I didn't even mean to press that, but I was going to press that.
	Okay, just not going to.
	All right.
	Single?
	Yeah, single have been so for almost a year.
	Longest relationship was five months.
	Five months.
	And a lot of people have been in the TTS, I'm assuming in the DMs too, have been they seem to like it quite a bit.
	So you've gotten some proposals, maybe not like marriage proposals, but like due to.
	I just thought I was happily married.
	This guy is pretty.
	What?
	DMs?
	He's asking for the tea.
	All right.
	The tea.
	The tizzle.
	I'm sure there have been.
	I haven't checked, nor have I accepted anything.
	That is a fundamental difference between men and women.
	The idea that you can just sit around and wait to check your DMs because there are so many coming through.
	So, well, personally, I'm not truly all that interested in meeting somebody through the internet.
	I got you.
	I have no trouble meeting people in person if I really want to, so that's not something that I am too concerned about.
	But I don't particularly love the idea of meeting somebody through the internet and meeting up with them for the first time in person.
	The DMs thing is funny because even when a guy, when a girl slides into a guy's DMs, she actually isn't.
	She's really just like commenting, hoping he notices her, and then he slides into her DMs because she was noticed.
	What a weird freaking life.
	I think about the DM thing, though.
	Guy still has to make the move.
	I think about the DM thing, though, the average woman, I mean, like with me, I only have like so many followers on Instagram, and I don't have much.
	I don't get DMs.
	Like, I don't, you know.
	Define you don't get DMs.
	Like, how frequently do you get a DM from a guy?
	I've gotten this year, probably one.
	One.
	Okay.
	And do you have a private Instagram?
	No.
	You have a public Instagram?
	Yeah.
	I guess they're all already hitched in Alabama.
	Did you check your spam?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You're talking about like the request thing.
	Another one.
	A request thing?
	Because you go, I think you're not.
	And then you hit that and you're like, oh.
	No, the only ones that like, like the one that I got was like these old creepy men asking to be sugar daddies.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	That still counts.
	Nothing likes to stay.
	What is your favorite?
	But those men are also scammers.
	They're not always sugar daddies all the time.
	A lot of the time they're trying to scam you.
	It's about 100%.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm not going to actually give you any that happened.
	Do you mind if I ask what your Instagram is like?
	It's just the typical.
	Like I don't post like super glamorous photos.
	It's just me living life, kind of posting that kind of stuff.
	It's like anything that you would consider to be thirst trappy?
	No.
	Anything that anybody would consider to be thirst trappy?
	No.
	I don't think so.
	So like no bikinis, no.
	I have like a one piece on there.
	Wow, it's the first time I've heard that answer in a long time.
	I actually just bought my first bikini in like three years.
	Got it.
	It's an extraordinary thing.
	Well, so you're just in case you're religious, right?
	Yes, I am, yes.
	You're Catholic, is it?
	Or Christian?
	Well, I think Catholic and Christians are the same thing.
	But they're part of the same umbrella.
	But I'm Protestant.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	So you are, hold on, wait, what the fuck?
	I screwed up my notes here.
	Are you waiting until marriage?
	I am, yes.
	Okay.
	I'm not a virgin now.
	Okay, so you're like born-again virgin?
	Yes, yeah.
	Did you have like a crazy phase when you were younger or just you had a boyfriend or I just met my boyfriend, yeah.
	Your current waitress.
	Pass, yeah.
	That was the limit of that.
	So, okay, you hooked up with him, you guys broke up, now you're waiting for marriage, correct?
	Beaten cheeks donated 19.
	Yeah, thank you, Cheeks.
	Appreciate it.
	If any of you sympathy in sales in here call any females on dating advice, go touch grass and lose weight.
	No real man wants to take advice by a woman being Eiffel Toward and claims to be born again.
	What kind of nonsense is that?
	Beaters fall for this notion.
	Beat heads.
	Do you guys like looking at half of Kiko's face, by the way?
	Be at all.
	Awesome.
	Yeah, it's fine.
	Yeah, there you go.
	But then I have to, like, every time it goes, it changes the angle.
	Half of my head.
	There we go.
	No, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	He just, okay, all right.
	Maybe I should try a different seat.
	I just learned what the Eiffel Tower meant.
	I don't know what that means.
	Yeah, see, I didn't either.
	It was super embarrassing because I was like, no, I got to work at Mayhew tomorrow.
	I can't go to the Eiffel Tower.
	It is when you're talking about going to a gas station because you can't go to Paris.
	Priya, what about you?
	And they're talking about.
	I answered the question already.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry, Billy.
	I am in a relationship.
	Yeah, see?
	And my longest relationship was about four years.
	All right.
	And I am also in a relationship.
	My longest relationship was about four and a half years.
	And if you guys, you guys are dating, in case anybody didn't catch that.
	How long have you guys been dating?
	Well, do you want to tell the full story?
	We've known each other for, we've known each other for a little over two years.
	We've been dating for probably about 16, 17 months at this point.
	Yeah.
	May I ask you a couple questions?
	Sure.
	Are either of you religious?
	I would say that I have refound my relationship with God.
	And are you guys chaste within your relationship or do you have sex?
	Oh, we have sex.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So you're Christian, Protestant?
	We both have been rediscovering.
	Okay, so it was like you grew up Christian, went away.
	Okay, and now you're rediscovering your faith.
	I really went away.
	I have never been consistent with church.
	And you guys are trying to be more consistent with church.
	I have a follow-up question.
	Can you scoot your microphone back, please?
	And just keep saying that.
	Okay, keep going back.
	You're boxing out Madison.
	Oh, Madison.
	Get in here.
	Do you guys think that at some point in your relationship, you may choose to stop having sex for religious reasons?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	And actually, so this is interesting.
	So I said I'm kind of like refining my relationship with God.
	I'm not a consistent churchgoer.
	I certainly have grown to believe in him again.
	I started to read the Bible a lot more.
	And I certainly like to live as though God exists.
	I am certainly not a like a buy-the-book, you know, doctrine-oriented Christian.
	But the reason I bring that up is to kind of go back to what you were saying earlier because you said that you had this relatively strict guideline for the man that you're going to settle down with and that he has to be a religious man.
	Right.
	He doesn't need to be, well, we can define that more, but I'm not strict about it.
	I wouldn't mind if he's not religious but holds a lot of the like general tenets and values that you would traditionally find in a religious man.
	That's exactly what I was about to say.
	Yeah, so I wouldn't mind if he isn't sure even what he thinks about God, but a man who's not religious can also be a godly man on a natural level, and that to me is very attractive.
	Just in terms of the morals, the principles.
	Yeah, morals, values, you know.
	And there are Christian men who are not nearly as great as some of those non-Christian men.
	Right.
	So it's not, yeah, I'll pause there, but I want you guys to talk about it.
	I hope you guys get married.
	I like you guys.
	I think there's definitely a big difference between a man of God and people who do claim that they're Christians.
	Because you can be a Christian and not follow the book, right?
	Like, me personally, I feel like a man of God is somebody who does follow the book.
	And I feel like there's two, in the dating sphere, there's I've been with somebody who claims that they're a Christian, right?
	And claims that they have those values.
	But in reality, it was just to, I wouldn't say bait, but like.
	Oh, those guys exist.
	They're called nice guys.
	Yes.
	We have a big issue with those guys.
	I do not like nice guys.
	They're dangerous.
	Chat before you explode.
	There's a difference between a nice guy and a good guy, at least by the way that I define it.
	I'm not saying that if you're a good, hearted, treat women kindly guy, chivalrous guy, that you're not doing the right thing.
	It's the cassava talking about.
	But there is a, and we can get into this more if we really want to.
	But I think that there is a certain, there's a certain type of, there's a certain type of, you know, man who has the ability to be hyper-chivalrous, hyper-kind, very sweet, very loving, very caring, very compassionate, very empathetic, who simultaneously is not a bitch.
	Okay?
	Like he has the ability to put his foot down.
	He has the ability to set boundaries.
	He has the ability to stand by those boundaries and be willing to walk away if those boundaries are not respected.
	That is what a good man does.
	Just because you're not a nice guy does not mean that you're a toxic individual.
	There's a huge difference between toxicity and like in fact, a lot of the nice guys are pretty freaking toxic because they literally lie to you.
	And they're manipulative.
	They are agreeable dishonestly.
	That's what Jordan Peterson would say.
	He'd say that those guys are hyper-agreeable.
	They don't know how to disagree or confront moralistically.
	Loose pussy energy donated $99.
	Would you smash the hottest trans man in the world or the oldest man in the world?
	Hashtag rage equit.
	The oldest man in the world is probably upwards of 120 at this point.
	We've been surviving pretty long these days, especially in like in Asian countries.
	So I'm happily in a relationship, plan to marry this man, but if I had to choose, I guess I would go with the hottest trans man in the world.
	I don't even know if the old guy could get it up anymore.
	I just feel like that's, I feel like it's like, it's, it's not illegal, but it should be illegal.
	You know what I mean?
	Like at the far end of the spectrum.
	Like that just does it.
	Like, I feel like that might take old man out.
	I'd be asking questions.
	It might be the last thing.
	That guy's got some wealth that you're trying to go after.
	It might be the last thing he does.
	I want to go off that way.
	I'm not trying to kill something, you know.
	Which one are you going for?
	I said trans the hottest trans man.
	Why would I, I mean, like.
	That's her answer.
	Versus the oldest man in the world.
	Like, those people, like, the oldest people living literally look like half-alive mummies.
	Yeah.
	Like, they basically look mummified.
	Like, that's.
	Well, you're bi, right?
	I've been, I don't know.
	I've been.
	But you've been with women before.
	Isn't I don't know queer?
	No, it's not.
	Because I was.
	But you've hooked up with women.
	I have.
	Yeah.
	But I haven't dated a woman since I was in high school.
	Okay.
	And I don't think I would, even if I was single, happily single, I don't think I would ever pursue that.
	So, I don't know.
	Okay.
	LP, thank you very much for your TTS, man.
	Much appreciated.
	I don't know if we have much else to say on that specific topic.
	Would you smash the hottest?
	Yeah, that was directed.
	That was just for Kiko.
	So thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We did have one that came in.
	It was about the gun stuff, and then we were talking a little bit about the...
	Did you have more on the nice guy versus good guy?
	No, I think I wrapped that up.
	We can get back to it later.
	Cool, cool, cool.
	Oh, I was going to ask for you two, and then we will get to the gun thing real quick.
	How did you guys meet?
	Hinge.
	Yep.
	Met on an app.
	Okay, Hinge.
	And we would have never met if it wasn't for Hinge.
	I'm very pro-dating apps.
	I know a lot of people aren't.
	But we didn't live in the same area.
	I do not go out.
	I don't party.
	Sinho Anderscore donated $100.
	Billy Ray, love you.
	Thank you, Cina.
	Not too long ago, I was dating a lefty feminist.
	Made me feel weak.
	Watching your clips made me realize it was normal to set boundaries and the expectations of her.
	Now I'm happily single and focused on my mission.
	Air Force Ranger to be.
	Love to hear that, and thank you for your service.
	Yo, Cina, thank you very much for your TTS, man.
	Much appreciated.
	Yeah, Billy has some awesome content, so be sure to check it out.
	You were going to talk about the apps.
	Oh, the apps.
	Yeah, we would have never met if it wasn't for Hinge.
	I don't go out.
	I don't party.
	I don't go out to clubs.
	So we would have never connected.
	So I think they can be used in the right way.
	They need to be used properly.
	With intention.
	I can see why people don't want to be on them.
	I have, I actually.
	I was on, sorry, I'm going to forget my thought if I don't say it.
	I was on dating apps for years and went on, I think, three total dates.
	And all of those dates resulted in one relationship that I was in for four years, another relationship that didn't last too long, only a few months, and now down.
	And for me, the way that I used apps, and I think that this is how I would incur it, I told you in sales as sort of my full-time career alongside as I'm growing the dating business.
	I really would use dating apps sort of as like, call it like sales pipeline.
	Like basically you get in, you get a couple of matches.
	Party foul over here.
	It was not exactly.
	We good?
	Yeah.
	Whichever girls actually like take an interest and respond to you, the best conversations result in numbers.
	So like I would, over the course of maybe like a week or two, maybe get like two or three numbers.
	Then like one of those conversations is just going to kind of die.
	It's not going to work.
	Might go on two dates.
	And I rarely took girl.
	I did take her out to dinner, but I rarely would take girls out to dinner.
	I'd usually just do coffee, like he's go for walks, get a coffee, low barrier to entry, I'll pay, that kind of thing.
	And I would like one of those people more than the other.
	I would say sorry to the other and try to date the other one.
	So like it's not one of these things where I kept going back to the well because I was like, what's next?
	What's next?
	Like you can shut that off if you want to.
	And the other thing that I think is kind of cool about the apps, like she said, we wouldn't have really met if we were on the apps.
	The other thing that's interesting about us, when I say we have zero shared interests, I mean like zero shared interests.
	But our values completely align.
	And that is, I mean, it took me dating her to realize how much more important that is than like you both wanting to go like do the same thing during the day.
	To add to that, to add to that, like I said, I grew up Protestant and then I had my little college phase.
	And then I like, I've returned back to the Catholic Church, actually.
	I also went to Catholic private school growing up.
	So yeah, I can really relate to like wanting to like find, I don't know, I struggle with dating apps a lot in general because I find like, especially where I live in New York, especially Brooklyn, a lot of the guys have that facade you're talking about, this like super feminist, cool, chill facade, gonna be super sweet to you, whatever.
	And then like when it comes down to like building a foundation and like actually establishing values, that was never something that I entertained until I started going back to the church and realizing how important it was.
	Turns out they just want sex and once they don't get it for a certain period of time, they start showing their true colors.
	Yep, absolutely.
	Yep.
	I mean, don't you think there's some component of this whole nice guy thing?
	I mean, certainly there are guys that Sort of play nice, but then they got they get fucking salty when the girl curves them, whatever.
	I get that, but there is certainly something to be said about, you know, there are women out there who overlook some men who actually are good guys to chase after the bad boys, the jerks, the assholes.
	You know, you often hear women complain about, oh, I didn't feel the vibe with him.
	I didn't feel, even though every other single metric is this guy, he's perfectly pleasant, he's got his life together, et cetera, et cetera.
	And then they go chase after some fucking scumbag, or they're chasing after, you know, whoever it may be, or a guy who is able to elicit the vibe.
	And whether that sometimes comes down to he's kind of being kind of a dick.
	You have to be willing to, sorry.
	You have to be willing to sort of, not to quote JP again, you have to risk being offensive in order to stimulate somebody like that.
	Like, you have to figure out, like, when girls talk about the vibe, it really just means that you're communicating in a very indirect way with them, and then you're figuring out when to speak to them directly like a man.
	Butterflies, is that?
	No, the vibe is like when you have a flow.
	Like, girls are very flowy with the way that they talk.
	It's like, it's about a bunch of different things.
	Yeah, like, guys are more just like, hey, do you want to get a coffee?
	Yeah, sure.
	What time?
	Okay, where?
	Okay, cool.
	See you there.
	Like, that's how guys communicate.
	And there's a right and wrong time for you to speak to a woman that way.
	Like, girls love it when they're just like, hey, like, I got us a reservation here.
	Meet me here at 7 o'clock.
	Sound good?
	Cool.
	But if he talked to you like that all the time, you'd be like, who the hell is this robot?
	Right?
	So, this whole vibey thing, guys who are too nice, they don't want to say something that they think could potentially be taken the wrong way or could put the girl off.
	And guys who are experienced with game and with having these conversations, even if they do sense that maybe they put her off, they still have the ability to kind of like tap her on the shoulder and be like, hey, look, I was just kidding.
	And then you can kind of like revitalize it.
	Or you go to the bathroom, you come back, and you're just like, hey, I could tell that you needed a second after that comment.
	I just wanted to give you that second.
	And a lot of times they'll laugh.
	I'll be like, I was just joking with you.
	That recovery skill is a difficult one to master.
	That's why dating coaches exist.
	You have to teach guys.
	It's okay to date.
	They're quite self-awareness.
	You can make up for it.
	You can't be super gun shy.
	Otherwise, you're never going to stimulate anybody.
	Yeah.
	You're kind of describing my boyfriend a lot.
	He's a dickhead, but in the most lovable way.
	There you go.
	Exhibit a day.
	Exhibit a day.
	Let's get through a couple chats here.
	Nick, if you're able to pull up our Twitch really quick, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Oh shit.
	Pedasso.
	Wow, that's a long message.
	Just for the, we, for bits, we don't really do it through Twitch.
	You have to do it either through YouTube or Streamlabs.
	Thank you, though.
	Really appreciate the support.
	Either way.
	Thank you guys for the Prime.
	Darkmind, thankfully for the Prime.
	My Curse, thank for the Prime.
	Quants, thank for the Prime.
	Edwin and Chill, thank you for the Prime.
	Also, we are streaming, we are simulcasting this on Twitch, right, or excuse me, on kik.com right now, too.
	So this is our first stream ever on kik.
	We just figured, hey, why not?
	So kick.com/slash whatever, if you guys are on kik, I guess.
	Drop us a follow there, I guess.
	But thank you guys for the primes, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us some follows and some primes.
	And then we have, and I will get to the TTS that we had before.
	Let me, here, let me do this one.
	Yo, Taylor Wilson, thank you, man.
	Kiko, what do you think about Destiny?
	I think Destiny is very educated and a great debater.
	He's one of the few I've seen in this space that doesn't just take what people say.
	Like he will literally stop everything and look it up.
	Like he has the facts to back up his point.
	He's also really good at hearing out the other side and not just talking over them.
	I just discovered who Destiny was like a couple weeks ago.
	Yeah, after he was on here, I saw some things and I've been watching a few of his videos.
	But yeah, I think he's a great debater.
	Yeah, I don't know him like that.
	Martin Dolly.
	Yo, Martin, good to see you, man.
	Brian, what are you doing throwing that passive aggressive flannel race at my girl?
	Keep it up and see if I save you from the next shock attack.
	Priya might be a let me know you emailed.
	Been too busy to respond, but I will soon.
	Don't embarrass us tonight.
	I definitely didn't, but sure.
	Markavius Martin, he actually might be down to go on a safari with you.
	And he's quite skilled.
	He's quite adept at protecting people from wild animals since he's protected me.
	Baby's name?
	From a wild animal.
	Wait, what?
	Her baby's name?
	Markavius.
	Off-top.
	Madison had indiscretion.
	So that is Markavius Jr.
	Yes.
	There was an indiscretion many months ago.
	It's a sour spot.
	It's a dark cloud over the podcast.
	I don't really like talking about it anymore.
	So Markavius.
	He's been retired.
	Are you down to go on safari with Markuavius Martin?
	Come on, throw him.
	Oh, my land.
	See y'all girls have a hard time saying no.
	It's like nice guys.
	Oh, shit.
	Hey, Bender.
	I have a joke to tell.
	It may be a bit offensive.
	How did God create women?
	He tore the off a sinner's body.
	Oh, a pee?
	Okay.
	The man screamed so loud his voice became feminine.
	The hole that was left behind became the V. V, and the balls were glued to the chest.
	Yo, Bender, thank you for that.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, the TTS, I guess, doesn't trigger if you use certain explicits.
	I mean, I'm still like, don't joke.
	Thank you, Bender.
	That was.
	Joke should have a punchline.
	Like, what's the punchline?
	Maybe there's a part two to it, I guess.
	We'll send another TTS and we'll find out.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Kiko put it in some work here.
	Okay.
	I mean, like, what was like the marketing campaign?
	I love a good offensive joke.
	I really do.
	But, like, that just wasn't funny.
	Just didn't.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I didn't do it for you.
	So, wait, Priya, do you accept Markuvius Martin's safari invitation?
	What?
	They can horse ride together.
	I'm busy.
	I'll put in a good word.
	I'll put in a good word, Mark Cuevius.
	All right.
	We have Jason Tao.
	Brian, this is why there are pass.
	This is why there is.
	Wait, there are?
	Is that Grandma?
	Passport Bro.
	This is.
	45 to 50% of women ages 30 and older will be single by 2030.
	Brian, what do you and the panel, by the way, it's with an I. How dare you, Jason?
	What do you and the panel think about the Passport Bro?
	And do you and the panel agree with the Passport Bro movement?
	Me personally, I think it's cool.
	I think if you are go to where you're appreciated.
	And if you're a guy and you're in the West and you cannot find eligible partner that's going to appreciate you here in the West, then you can find that in Latin America, Southeast Asia, wherever it may be, Eastern Europe.
	Go for it.
	Can you kind of elaborate on Passport Bros?
	Well, Passport Bros basically, it's men who are dissatisfied with the women in the local environment.
	So typically you find them in Western countries.
	So the United States, other Western countries, probably UK, Australia, just Western countries that are probably like a little more starting to go a bit woke and like, yeah, so they'll often go to Latin America.
	They'll often go to Thailand or Vietnam or just various different countries.
	Is that what we're talking about?
	No, well, not necessarily, but where the perception is that in these countries, women are more traditional, they're more feminine, et cetera, et cetera.
	And so they're moving there.
	And I think one interesting thing is men from other countries.
	So we have men from Western countries in the U.S. that are going to these other countries to find women, but there's no men from other countries coming to the U.S. clamoring to get with American women.
	I would just like to add in terms of the passport bro movement, I would encourage men to be careful because like as a Western man, I mean, I've seen it before.
	I've had friends that are like passport bros or whatever.
	I've dated passport bros before.
	And I kind of noticed that they have a tendency to be more effed over, if you will, or used for their money.
	Usually if they're coming from Western societies, they have a passport, citizenship, stuff like that.
	I would urge men to be careful and not to just think that the world is kind of their playground.
	Although I would not judge them for wanting to go to a different country to find a woman of different values.
	I think you should be careful here as well.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	No, absolutely.
	Of course.
	I mean, that goes without saying, right?
	50% divorce rate.
	So I know.
	I've seen the videos of passport bros coming out and being like, oh, I got duped.
	Like, I got played by.
	I know three passport bros.
	I don't know if anyone here personally knows them.
	I know three.
	And none of them have a great ending.
	I'm not saying I'm against it, but I do think there is a little more to it, I think, than it seems on the surface.
	And I'm only speaking anecdotally.
	I'm sure a lot of men have gone and found wonderful women.
	I think that's great.
	If the women here aren't satisfactory to them, go.
	But it is not all sunshine and rainbows, going to another country and finding a woman.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't think the whole passport bros thing, it's like, wow, this is just going to, you know, there's certainly room for things to not work out.
	I mean, but I mean, the passport, like one that I know went to South America, found a woman, brought, dated her for a while, brought her back here, and then as soon as she could divorce him, she did, got her citizenship.
	That's something that's not.
	So then, so he went back to South America.
	He's currently there, and he will not leave the country because he's like, I know that the woman will leave me if I take her to America.
	So the thing that men need to understand is by all means, go.
	Like, go and do that.
	But if they're under the impression that those women don't see them as a resource and even more of a resource than the average American woman, they just need to know that.
	And if they're okay with the sex money exchange and being seen as a resource, and that's not all women and it's not all men.
	But I also know one who's here.
	He's in his 70s now.
	Like he was one of the first passport bros and he has a wife who's like 30 years younger than him.
	She waits on him hand and foot, does all the things.
	I mean, she's a servant to him.
	Ultimately, she's waiting for him to die so she can have his house, have his money.
	Does she love him?
	Yes.
	Are they in love?
	No.
	But that's an option if that's something they're into.
	I want to touch on that in this.
	Thank you, Prometheus.
	Big Brown, if you can call him Baguette, was Passport Bro from 90-day fiancé.
	See, that's why I was super confused when I first heard about passport bros.
	Because growing up, all I ever really knew about those type of relationships was from what I've seen in 90-day Fiancé, where it's like, not even just with a man coming from America, even when it's woman sometimes and men from other countries, it's usually so obvious that they're just trying to either get a visa or get some money.
	That's why I was surprised when I heard that it was not for those reasons.
	Like, I don't.
	Well, I think it could be toxic when it's mixed with red pill rhetoric.
	So, like, you have the passport bros kind of fall under like this red pill movement.
	And I think that like the red pill movement, a lot of the times say that, like, you know, get as much money as you can, be successful, be a high-value man.
	And that also includes providing for women.
	And so, when you combine that philosophy or that value system of provisioning for women, and then you combine that with being a passport bro, you're more likely and more inclined to get screwed over.
	And that's my concern.
	Go ahead, Brian.
	Oh, well, as far, I mean, certainly these men who are passport bros can certainly be preyed upon, and some of these women certainly may be predatory.
	However, I'm sure there's, in the same way that there's men who are getting, you know, screwed over, or it's a very transactional relationship.
	I'm sure there's also women in these countries that are happy to actually have a genuine relationship with these men.
	So, I mean, and also a lot of these men, some of them might bring the women back here, but a lot of them are expats, and they're just going to live in fucking Thailand or the Philippines or wherever it is.
	It's probably just there.
	And it's much more the fucking thing.
	Now, are women doing this too, or is she just men?
	Women?
	Women really don't.
	I don't think women travel passport gals like that.
	I don't think that's a thing.
	I mean, maybe not.
	Well, I mean, like, because I've heard of obviously like bringing younger men here, like older women, you know what I mean?
	Getting younger.
	Pretty rare, I suspect.
	Oh, sorry, hold on.
	Martin donated $100.
	Madison is an amazing mother.
	The reason we broke up is that I'm a white man.
	So you can imagine the issue.
	Priya, hands to God I own A NPO that helps dogs and horses.
	If I'm not the one, there is no one.
	We'll see what you think after I'm on the podcast.
	Oh, is Mark Wavius finally going to come on the podcast?
	Martin, come on the podcast.
	Come on the podcast.
	We can revisit this live.
	Live date, Priya and Martin.
	There you go.
	He is a Destiny commentate.
	He is a Mensa member.
	And Priya, if he fully funded your horse dreams.
	That's not something that's necessarily important to me.
	You can have seven horses.
	Okay.
	Seven.
	Seven horses.
	He will pay for them.
	I really like the number seven.
	There will be.
	This is a number.
	It's a beautiful number.
	There's a stables.
	You'll have stables at your house.
	It'll be a ranch.
	I'll probably be able to pay for that myself someday.
	I'm not too concerned about that.
	Okay.
	I mean, would it be nice?
	Sure, but that's not a deciding factor in who I seek out for a partner.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, there you go.
	All right.
	Did you have something on the passport bro things?
	Yeah.
	I think, and it's going to result in me kind of posing a question to the panel here.
	I think what I can appreciate about passport bros is I think it's an effective flag being raised for Western women as well.
	Like I'm not necessarily saying that they're going to find someone.
	I'm not saying that they're not going to get screwed over.
	I'm not even necessarily saying that I would encourage men to go do it.
	Like you said, if you want to, cool.
	Go do it.
	I do think, though, that the motivation for it is the fact that men are still expected to act very traditionally.
	They're expected to be very chivalrous.
	They're expected to be protectors.
	Maybe they're not expected to provide to the same extent now that women can essentially match them on income up to basically a certain point where maybe men start to be willing to negotiate harder as they get older.
	Maybe women decide to settle down and be mothers to put a sort of halt in their career.
	Talk about that, right?
	But men don't need to be as strict of provisioners the way that they used to be.
	But they still need to be protectors.
	They still need to take care of you.
	They still are expected to do things like open your door, give the jacket, like when you're cold, things like that.
	But if that's what the male, if that's what a man's duty to you is, to be chivalrous, it's very, very loosely defined what a woman's duty to a man is.
	It's very ambiguous.
	And that is why I think they go to places where they are actually taught from a young age how to treat a man.
	What is your duty to a man?
	And whether you want to talk about in the context of the word submission, which I know that a lot of girls don't like, me and her use the word deference instead of submission.
	Sounds a little bit better.
	It's like she wants to defer to her man a little bit more than he defers to her, which is essentially submitting.
	But I would love to know what you guys think.
	If men have those duties to you, and that's an expected duty, what do you think your duty to men is?
	I think that's the importance of having, for me personally, having my identity with God.
	And because in the Bible, it lays out what a woman should be.
	Proverbs 31.
	I actually read that today.
	Yes, and it's beautiful.
	You know, it's nothing that holds women back.
	And instead, it like you embrace your natural state.
	You know, it's like you thrive the most in this setting.
	And so I feel like if I mean, all I feel like all women can thrive most when they have a relationship with God.
	So that's my stance.
	Anyone else?
	Yeah, I don't agree with that you have to have a relationship with God.
	Could you repeat the question?
	Well, I said what do I think about deference or submission?
	Well, what is the female equivalent of chivalry?
	Yeah, yeah.
	If men have a duty to you and we sort of define that duty as chivalry, this concept, right?
	What would be the female version of chivalry?
	What would female duty to a man look like?
	I would say due to fourth-wave feminism, like it's become so amorphous.
	But I would say that we're probably going to see a division of women that are hyped by men.
	Benda the offender donated $99.
	I will admit that my joke was not funny.
	Brian, you should have had Chase on today so we could have Diddy Kong versus Chase.
	Round three.
	See, like that was funny.
	That was better.
	We're making progress.
	Diddy Kong.
	I'm really proud of you.
	Is that offensive?
	In some like, but could quite conceivably cracking up on the show with Gorlock was the Diddy Kong comment.
	So then every, but then anything you're going to follow up with that is now immediately negated because you just because I said Gorlock.
	Okay.
	Anyways, I think nobody knows the name.
	No one remembers Ali.
	I mean, I remember Ali pretty well.
	Yeah, he has fans.
	He's just trying to make sure they all know who he's talking about.
	I'm just, that's, thank, thank you for the thing you're thinking.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Anyways, I can answer the question.
	Yo, but okay.
	Is it conceivably offensive for someone to say that you look like Diddy Kong from Mario Kart race?
	Well, I mean, it's not a compliment, no.
	No, but like, is it like race?
	You know, I never was thinking that deep on it because I don't want to really play that card if it's like not.
	Okay.
	I really like it, but I don't see it at the same time.
	Actually, I think half of his face is lighter than the other.
	That's why I also accurate.
	That's why I'm like, you know, I'm like, it's like a mix.
	Maybe I give Diddy Tong.
	That's fine.
	I think round three would be good.
	We could talk about it.
	I think round three would be good.
	We could talk about it.
	I think that the compare or what is the word.
	Yeah, I'm kind of, I wouldn't say old school because it'll tear me apart.
	That's why I feel like you have to.
	Please say old school.
	Go deep on that.
	It's because you look at me, I have tattoos, whatever, so I won't, I've not a virgin, wait until marriage, so you wouldn't call me a traditional woman, but that's why I found a man and of the same level of traditional, if you will.
	But like for me, I think the woman side of men's chivalry is being a homemaker.
	I do agree with that.
	I enjoy cleaning up the house.
	I enjoy doing my laundry for us.
	I enjoy making our meals.
	But at that same token, since I am still working, we're both working, if there is a day that I don't feel like cooking or doing one of those things, he has no problem picking up that slack.
	But I feel like overall, on the day-to-day, it is my job, whereas his job is to provide me with protection and other things that you listed.
	She is absolutely the nurturer in our relationship, but when she was sick with the flu, I wasn't going to leave her to nurture herself.
	Okay.
	All right.
	No, no, no, I know.
	So I can appreciate that.
	I like, if it's 90% of the time, sure, but I would hope he's there for me, doesn't mind doing those duties if it's, you know, for a reason, not just because I feel like fucking off and doing, sorry, I feel like doing nothing, but yeah.
	Would you consider your man to be the leader in the relationship?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	That's an interesting one, too.
	I wouldn't want to be with a man who's not the leader in the relationship.
	Actually, before I pose that question, I like the fact that I want to let other people.
	I was actually talking before when you were talking about women nowadays and what their role is.
	I think you're going to find three different subsections of women, like women that maintain that hyper-femininity, that find that masculine man and they both complement each other in terms of their gender roles.
	Then you're going to have women kind of like Kiko, kind of like me, that like aspects of traditionalism and want to adopt those and can respect that and understand the balance between men and women.
	And then you're going to have women that are like, nope, I'm going to pay.
	I'm an independent woman.
	I don't need no man.
	I think that's where we're going.
	You're going to have like three divisions of women.
	And I think that's actually in the beginning works of men too.
	Like that's happening.
	There's a men's movement right now.
	I mean, Red Pill Movement, like Myron from Fresh and Fit, all of those big names.
	I feel like we're on the precipice of men also dividing and figuring out, hang on, do I have to fulfill this role as a chivalrous man?
	Yes.
	Can I?
	And I think that's a very, very scary proposition because I think that could make it harder than it already is.
	I kind of like the fact that men have this expectation and women are having to sort of figure out what the expectation is of them.
	I do not want to see there be a divide in men as well.
	I think that's going to spell out a lot of trouble because fundamentally, and you know this as a psychologist, right?
	We are very different.
	And a lot of times what women say that they are looking for, they are not actually looking for.
	And if men start to become more feminine and adopt those feminine roles, like women are not going to, the women who think that they want to be the leaders in the masculine ones aren't going to be attracted to those men.
	No, and I'm just going to say this right now.
	Every single person that, or sorry, couple that I know that have a relationship where the woman is the more dominant person in the relationship, it never works out.
	Every single couple that I've known to have that sort of dynamic has either broken up in a very messy divorce or something of that sort.
	I'm not saying that it can't work, but I don't think that it's the majority of those types of relationships that let's go around the table on that.
	Has anybody here, any of the women here, been more so the, as you would put it, what, the leader in the relationship or the more dominant one?
	Is that the phrasing you use?
	Yeah.
	So any women here who have been kind of the more the leader, the dominant one in the relationship?
	Drove me to hell.
	Drove me crazy.
	I wanted to leave.
	It was horrible.
	You raised your hand too.
	Someone else raised their hand too, I think.
	I actually was.
	Yeah.
	Just with yours really quick.
	Sure.
	It drove you to hell.
	Yeah.
	Now, was it because he was lacking in some way?
	Or maybe it was a combination, but could it have also been like, oh, you perhaps in your past were more you wanted to, or at least you thought you wanted to be that way.
	I thought I wanted to be that way.
	Okay.
	I don't necessarily, I've had three monogamous relationships in my life.
	They were all so sweet, so kind, treated me like a princess.
	But essentially, the masculinity was lacking, like big.
	There was no leadership, there was no direction.
	I had to fulfill the nurturing role and then the planning role.
	And there was no establishment of what our roles were.
	But at the time, I was like, fuck gender roles, like, whatever.
	Like, that's just lame anyways.
	Like, we just need to, you know, just work it out.
	And I really did not want to come to the conclusion that what I was actually looking for was not at all what I was taught that I actually wanted.
	What's the question?
	What's the question?
	I can answer the question.
	I don't think people would expect me to have been in a relationship where I was the dominant one.
	But I was in a relationship where there was a man that was more dominant than me who was the leader.
	And then I ended up getting a random career on social media that just kind of took off.
	And it shifted to this dynamic where I was making all of the decisions and I was handling the money.
	And it just, it's not a positive situation to be in.
	And I just grew very resentful when I was the one left having to make all of those decisions.
	So that's why it didn't work out.
	It wasn't because he wasn't a good person.
	It was just when those roles are reversed, it just doesn't seem to work.
	Two things.
	Well, actually, first, someone actually responded to one of your Q ⁇ As earlier, and you talked about, you gave a really, really interesting response about the struggle between being a modern day woman versus being the type of woman who can like truly attract and retain a man.
	Like how can you have a career?
	How can you pursue something, be independent until you have a man, protect yourself in case that man does something that makes you want to leave?
	Yes.
	And do you want to share kind of like what your thoughts on that were, sort of like the flipping the switch that could happen?
	Yeah.
	We obviously are in a society where two people in the relationship do have to work in some situations.
	I mean, it's not possible for every single couple to have a stay-at-home mom and a housemaker, like a homemaker.
	It's just not possible nowadays.
	So I was saying in those situations, the woman has to be able to come home and not be the boss babe anymore.
	She has to know how to turn that switch off for it to be able to work.
	Because yes, there are women that have thriving careers, but if she knows how to flip that switch, then that's the way that it is.
	And something that you said, you said the first thing she has to do is recognize that the things that help her be successful are often not the same things that will help you retain attraction from a man.
	I think that's super important.
	And the other thing that I like to talk about with regards to me and her, because me and her, like, I think we would say that she would identify me as the leader of the relationship.
	But I'd be interested to hear your guys' take on what you think leadership is, because I think when people think about leadership, they think like a dictatorship, where it's like, do as I say.
	Leadership, if any of you have ever worked for or been around a good leader, a good leader is the person who is really just willing to put their head on the line because no one else is willing to.
	They're willing, they're the ambitious one, they're the one with the, you said planning more so than planning.
	It's like, I have an idea of a risk that we can take.
	I have a path that I think we can get there.
	What do you think about this plan?
	And now it's on that.
	I do this with her all the time.
	We've talked about ways to potentially, you know, grow her brand that I'm now a part of, right?
	And I got my own thing as well.
	But like, we've had to make some decisions about, you know, what can we do?
	Do we have to cut back on certain things?
	Do we need to focus on certain content?
	Do we need to say no to brand deals in order to not like flood feeds with just like products and make sure that like fans aren't going to be deciding?
	The brains of the operation.
	Right?
	Like, there are like little decisions that you make, but if I offer up an idea like that, I'm not expecting her to be like, yes, sir.
	I'm expecting her to look at me and think to herself, like, what is, you know, here are my concerns.
	What are your thoughts on those concerns?
	Right?
	Like, I think that leadership is a much, much more nuanced thing than people give it credit for.
	So I'm wondering what you guys think about that and what you think about a man's leadership relationship.
	Let's just come back to that a little bit.
	Let's come back to that a little bit later.
	I do need to get through a couple things here first.
	Okay, so I do need to touch on the gun thing.
	So it was, is it a deal breaker?
	Hold on, let me see that.
	Positive, negative, or neutral if the man owns a gun.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So when it comes to gun ownership, positive, deal breaker, or neutral if a partner owns?
	Nine times out of ten, positive for me.
	Positive.
	Would you mind just speaking to your mic, please, guys?
	Neutral to positive.
	I would say positive.
	I'd like to feel protected, but as long as you're using that gun in the right ways, then absolutely.
	Neutral to positive.
	Is this the gun?
	Yeah.
	Positive.
	Adela Baymar.
	Roll tide.
	Roll tide.
	I think it's a big positive as long as you educate yourself and know how to use the firearm correctly.
	And takely.
	I would say positive as long as you're trained and it's not just an accessory.
	That was only to the point.
	Oh, that's true.
	That's true.
	I would say positive.
	All right.
	So some of you so graciously provided some pre-show notes here.
	So we're going to react.
	Sorry, not react.
	We're going to address some of the pre-show notes that you guys provided to us.
	Nicole, since you're returning, you said in a message to us, you said you wanted to discuss Brian's status as a six.
	What did you mean by that?
	Well, so this is only my second time on the show, but then I saw, I think it was the next show, maybe that Tuesday.
	I had never heard the men rate themselves.
	I always see the women rating themselves.
	And I think you said you rated yourself on the look scale a six, but on a good day a 6.9.
	Yeah, I mean, that's kind of just like a humorous thing, I say.
	But yeah, I can't say that.
	But like, I feel like I'm a six, but I might be a little cuter than you.
	So are you a five or am I a seven?
	Are you a five or am I a seven?
	Or are we the same cute?
	So let me lose.
	You think you're okay.
	No, no, no.
	No, I think I'm a six.
	You think I'm a six and your assessment of my physical attractiveness is less than yours.
	I think I'm a six.
	There is an age discrepancy.
	There is an age, but if I and men and women, they're peaking.
	I understand that.
	Relationship.
	I thought we were just talking physical looks.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Oh, so disregarding age, disregarding age.
	Just looks.
	I didn't, well, what was your scale on?
	What do you mean?
	You're six.
	I thought it was purely.
	I thought you had said something like that.
	I'm taking myself like a six.
	Okay.
	That's fair.
	Given the metrics, and look, some women might think I'm lower, some might think I'm seven, whatever it may be.
	In any case, my self-assessment is I'm like, I'm above average height.
	I'm 6'1.
	Full head of hair.
	Blue eyes.
	Solid beard.
	I could, you know.
	I'm not overweight.
	So I would say that that puts me at slightly above average at a six.
	Okay, that's fair.
	Yeah, I had never heard the men rate themselves.
	I also think that the scale looks a lot different from men to women.
	Well, we're being graded on different things.
	No, no, no, absolutely, but if we're looking... I'm going to do...
	Hold on.
	Oh, so sorry.
	Continue.
	I'm just going to let the chat.
	If we're looking at a scale.
	I'm doing a poll.
	If we're looking at a scale from 1 to 10, obviously 1 and 10 are going to be the least.
	Are going to be a small, small fraction of the population.
	I think in terms of good looks, there are a lot more good-looking women compared to how many good-looking men there are.
	Nicole.
	Okay, so Brixon versus Nicole, right?
	What's that?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	We have makeup.
	Yeah, we have makeup.
	We have hair makes a huge difference.
	And also in this day and age of, especially in California, it's getting harder to tell who has fillers, exactox, whereas men aren't as likely to do those things.
	So I feel like that also helps why we have a lot more attractive women more than men.
	Martin donated.
	Yeah, thank you, Markavius.
	Brian, ask all the ladies what they want in a relationship.
	I'm kidding.
	I couldn't care less.
	Priya, answer the question about being a horse girl.
	I know you come for money, but not this kind of money.
	Brian, I will come on when NCA.
	Have Priya on when I am.
	Hey.
	Actually, Priya is moving to the Southern California.
	I don't know if I'm moving to SoCal, so we'll have her on more.
	Thank you, Markuvius.
	Much appreciated.
	I come from a middle-class background with some help from my mother when I was younger.
	Okay.
	So, okay, the poll's been going for a minute now.
	We have 524 votes.
	There's about 5,000 people watching.
	Who is cuter?
	Brian or Nicole?
	I feel like I should have worded this question a little better.
	That was the question.
	What's the question?
	That was just the question.
	Because I thought you were just talking about cuter.
	Yeah, but I should have worded it.
	Like, who is more objectively more physically attractive?
	Okay.
	Well, if I lose, which I think I'm going to lose, do I have to wear flannel next time?
	No, but you've just been, I mean, keep in mind, there's men watching this, and there's men who probably don't want to consider themselves as like gay.
	And they're saying I'm cuter than you.
	So it's 75 to 25%.
	Shoot, do I have to wear flannel now next time?
	I don't see how that's at all related.
	Plus, you know how they feel about it.
	So maybe it's going to make me cuter.
	Maybe it's the flannel.
	But speaking of rating, and I will further rebuke your six comment or your, sorry, excuse me, your rejection that I'm a six.
	I will rebuke it after I do this.
	Let's see here.
	We have Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Kiko, you first.
	So, you know, I've had a lot of feedback in the recent months about my appearance.
	And I've been kind of taking a mental note of what I see, like, in my comments and everything.
	So I think when you like average it out, when you take all of the like zeros and then all the tens and then the few like sevens and threes, I'll give myself a nice like six, maybe seven, or maybe it's being too generous.
	There's a lot of zeros there.
	Maybe five.
	Five, I guess.
	Kiko, every other, almost every other episode you've been on, you've given yourself a ten.
	And you guys have told me I was wrong every single time.
	Am I not worthy of yourself?
	Have you been convinced?
	Like, I mean, shit.
	You've been convinced.
	Well, I mean, you guys are telling me that it's not what I see myself as.
	It's what everyone else views me, and they've given me their feedback.
	So I've seen the feedback, and I recognize that I am now five.
	I'm getting some growth here.
	Okay, did your boyfriend tell you to say that?
	No.
	Okay.
	He told me that.
	You're a 10?
	No.
	He told me.
	Oh, your own boyfriend's a little bit of a bad person.
	Well, no, he told me I'm a 10.
	But he always says, he says the same thing that most people say, like, I'm a nine because there's always room for improvement, is what he would tell me to say.
	I think that's too like.
	Wow.
	That's just too predictable.
	Look at that.
	Okay, so you used to say you're a 10, now you're a what?
	Six?
	Six?
	Maybe six and a half.
	It's a lot of numbers that get thrown in my comments, so it's hard to keep trying.
	All right, what about you?
	Well, I thought I was a six, but if she's going with six, I'm going to lower mine.
	Don't worry about her scale.
	I'd say a six.
	I'm a ten on the res.
	On the what?
	Res.
	The reservation?
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	Are you Native American?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	I'm on the tribe.
	I'm just a 10 on the Res.
	I was like, you're a 10 on the Res.
	What tribe do you I'm Sioux Tribe Sioux.
	Oh.
	Okay, cool.
	But like, I work for Bay Mills Tribe.
	You work for the what?
	Bay Mills Tribe.
	Bay Mills.
	There's different tribes.
	Bay Mill?
	Bay Mills?
	Bay Mills.
	Bay Mills.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	But I'm Sioux Tribe, but I work for them.
	But we're all have like our little community.
	Do you live on the reservation?
	I have.
	Not right now.
	Have you ever gone off the reservation?
	Yes.
	This is the farthest I've ever been west.
	I go to Florida a lot.
	I go to Florida a lot, but this is the first time I've been west.
	Okay.
	What do you rate yourself on the scale of one to ten?
	Brian, I'm a little confused on this because last time you said it's a fixed scale, right?
	Like beauty is a fixed scale.
	That's what you've said prior.
	Did I say that?
	I don't think there's words.
	There's an objective.
	You said there's an objective.
	Which is fixed, right?
	Sure.
	All right, yeah.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So what are you predicting on?
	What are you predicating that on?
	Like, Western beauty?
	Because there's Eurocentric beauty.
	You said you're white.
	White skin, blue eyes.
	Well, I mean.
	See what I mean?
	I.
	Well, I disagree that, for example, say a woman who's an Asian woman who has dark hair and dark eyes, I don't, she could be a 10 in the West.
	So I reject this idea that you need to have blue eyes and blonde hair or whatever the fuck.
	Well, that would mean that the scale isn't objective then, right?
	Well, but there's more.
	A 10 can manifest itself in, like, there's not a singular person that's a 10.
	Okay.
	So there's room for differentiation.
	Like, for example, a woman with blue eyes could be a 10.
	A woman with brown eyes could be a black.
	So what's the objective standard?
	Well, there's something to be said about facial symmetry, for example.
	There's something to be said about having a healthy body fat percentage range.
	And you don't think race plays into that hierarchy of beauty at all in the Western world?
	There are so many studies across different cultures and races and locations around the world that this scale holds up to.
	Of course, it's going to look different in different cultures and society, but the scale of like face symmetry and hip to waist ratio and certain things like that live up to that.
	Face symmetry science is in the psych universe.
	Just, I would just point out that, as my understanding is that, for example, Asian women are rated the most attractive cohort of women, so I'm not I don't know why you were where in the US.
	In the US, Asian women are the most attractive.
	Asian women are frequently ranked as the most desirable when it comes source question mark.
	That's pretty shocking to me to hear.
	Yeah, me too.
	I think Asian women are beautiful.
	In any case, what are you getting at?
	Well, I was just.
	I was genuinely just wondering, like what the metric was so that I can give myself an accurate like number.
	That's all.
	I was just wondering, like what you're, what the scale is predicated on right no, it's how other people perceive us.
	That's what I was trying to say.
	Like, what is the scale predicated on because?
	Are you Latina?
	Yeah, Puerto Rican.
	So are you asking me if you're less attractive because of your race?
	Like I don't get what you're talking about.
	Okay, so like I was just teasing about the rest of the day.
	You're overthinking this.
	It was a joke.
	You're really overthinking this.
	I don't think I'm overthinking this.
	You're like, you're overthinking this.
	I said you're six last time.
	I was going to say, what did you rate yourself?
	I said six last time.
	I'll stay with six this time, but I do think the scale is important to be talked about if we're going to be giving out numbers.
	What scale?
	That's what I'm saying.
	The objective scale that you said many times that there's a fixed objective standard of beauty and that the scale is one to ten and that it's fixed.
	So if it's one to ten and then it's fixed.
	Hold on.
	Can you hide $100?
	This question is for Pocahontas for her tribal name.
	She who runs with many babies.
	You welcome to gas station and do only fans.
	Where do you hear this more often?
	Fill it up.
	I've never heard that before.
	Where do you hear this more often?
	Fill it up.
	I don't know how to tell you.
	I've never had anybody say that to me.
	No, I think they're saying fill it up.
	Right.
	Oh, okay.
	No, never.
	Okay.
	Isn't it only in New Jersey where there's this person that has Oregon?
	I don't know how to pump gas.
	I just moved to Florida.
	You're from Jersey.
	I'm from Jersey.
	She's from Jersey.
	Brian, I don't know.
	Can you give us a woman, like a public figure of sorts, that is a 10 to you?
	A woman who's a 10.
	The scale is useless or pointless if nobody, like you guys come here on sale all the time, well nobody's truly a 10.
	Nobody's perfect.
	Well, then there's no point in the scale.
	There has to be somebody who's a 10.
	Not saying that that 10 has to be a 10 to him or somebody else, but what's your version of a 10?
	That's what we're asking.
	Maddie.
	If you're going to get a single person, it would sort of almost be an amalgamation because you have the body, you have the body, then you have the face.
	So like this girl, that doesn't make sense.
	I think scale is a 10 is exceedingly rare.
	Okay, it might be possible.
	There's nines.
	You can't think of one woman.
	An adjustable nines.
	Is that the term?
	I don't know if that's the term, but I would say like approaching 10.
	My personal take, Kristen Kruik, when she was Kristen Kruik, Smallville.
	I don't know who that is.
	I don't know who that is.
	Can we pull it up?
	Can we pull her out?
	Google Kristen Krueck Smallville.
	I think she's very attractive.
	Because for example, like Michael.
	Very attractive.
	I'm not sure.
	Michael, whatever his name is.
	You said she's an adjustable nines.
	I'd know her a nine.
	Michael.
	If he was a juice head, yeah, that one.
	He like said his girlfriend is like flat out 10, no questions.
	I know it's his girlfriend, but like he was really standing 10 toes down on it, and she's a beautiful woman.
	But I know a lot of people who wouldn't consider her a 10.
	So that's a 10 to him.
	Sure.
	Which will make sense why he might not like me because she's white with blue eyes or whatever.
	So obviously I won't be his 10.
	Hold on.
	So.
	Oh, she's beautiful.
	Kristen Kruik, scroll down.
	You know, she looks like my friend isn't the one.
	Some of these photos are not flattering.
	Like if you see video, no, she is, but if you see video of her, like this is something I would agree with.
	Yeah, she's not.
	Some of these are not the best photos.
	Wait, actually, hold on, go down.
	The one with the flowers.
	Click on the flowery one.
	So you like the youngest-looking photo of her.
	She was 14.
	Scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	So you like Priya?
	Scroll down.
	Oh, that's a good one.
	Wait, the Getty images.
	Getty images.
	Also, the youngest one.
	2003.
	Oh, my goodness.
	20 years.
	Hold on.
	What about Margo Robbie?
	So you're like, yes, Margo Robbie is a win now.
	She's, like, the most beautiful in the world.
	Also, wait, Kristen Kruick from, oh, wait, Kristen Kruick.
	See, but then look at here on the comments.
	She's a 7.5.
	She's a 6.
	LO, definitely a 10.
	Nobody's a 10.
	Like, it's so broad.
	You guys cannot say that it is 100% set in stone.
	What was that road trip?
	Wait, search Kristen Kruik road trip.
	Search Kristen Cruic road trip.
	Wait, is it road trip?
	Is that the fucking movie?
	Margo Robbie was a little bit more than 10 years ago.
	How old is Margo Robbie?
	Euro Transportation.
	She's probably younger than Lady.
	What?
	She's 10 years ago.
	Oh, my God.
	Search that shit.
	If they're saying she's not high.
	He said Margot Robbie is mid.
	Margot Robbie is high.
	Like all they mean.
	It's objective.
	It's so different based on different people.
	Yes, obviously there's attractive people.
	Yes, obviously there's ugly people.
	We know that.
	The photos don't do her justice.
	Oh, is she Scotty's girlfriend?
	Yeah, yeah, Scotty's girlfriend.
	Hey, Brian, look up objective standard of beauty.
	Fucking.
	I think we're facial time.
	Is that where he fell for her when she was Scotty's girlfriend?
	Is that where?
	Yeah.
	She's turned down.
	She's definitely a babe.
	Is that what turns down, though?
	That when she was like, you know, all crazy in that one?
	Was she crazy?
	She was wild.
	She had like a very small role.
	Yeah.
	Brian, you said you don't like slackhead energy.
	Yeah, she was like screaming.
	Bro, this is going to give me a little bit of a single.
	Can you look up?
	No, look up the study that they did.
	Look, there's something to say about symmetry and facial features and that changes country to country.
	Bro, you're overthinking.
	And I'm not overthinking it anymore.
	Overthinking.
	This is literally my field.
	The objective standard of beauty changes from country to country.
	That's just how it works.
	Just take your standard.
	What's your standard?
	I already said six.
	Okay, there we go.
	I already said that, yeah.
	That's good.
	You are looking at me like that.
	Yeah.
	Oh, sorry.
	I thought you were going to say something in a minute.
	Conversation derailed.
	You had like a weird eyebrow at her.
	Like at eight, like seven without makeup, maybe?
	Six and a half without makeup, but at eight on a good day.
	Damn, the chat's fucking roasting Kristen Cruz.
	Okay, all right.
	Fuck, fine, whatever.
	Fuck, she got up.
	Okay.
	She said six, though.
	Remember?
	She said six.
	Okay, six for Nicole.
	I would say like a 5.5.
	I'm going to go 6.57.
	I'm going to keep my answer consistent for the past three episodes and say a 6.7.
	All right.
	I'd say I'm like solid eight.
	I think here's the other thing.
	This is the first time a man has rated himself the highest at the table.
	This is crazy.
	I'm just going to nothing else.
	When I didn't bother you.
	I know what your point is.
	It's when girls start rating themselves.
	When the first girl starts at not a 10, then it's not going to.
	Oh, there is a tribal nature to the way you guys do this.
	Because when I say 10, usually, when I say 10 first, everyone says 10 after me.
	No, I thought about this all the way here.
	And the body count.
	This and the body count.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I mean, I'll say it, though.
	Like, pretty much all of you, I don't think any pretty much all of you are going to have are going to have a floor that's average.
	Like, none of you are objectively unattractive women.
	You're going to have a floor that's average, and some men are going to consider you guys.
	Brian, watch it.
	I missed you.
	You're going to be fired.
	And some men are going to consider you guys to be attractive.
	I think objectively, my beautiful girlfriend, I think Priya, the Latin touch is going to be really nice for a lot of guys.
	I think Madison and Kiko in particular, you guys, there are plenty of guys who are going to consider you to be like maybe upwards of like eight and nines, depending on their taste.
	But I think floor is going to be average for pretty much everybody here.
	Agreed. Good times.
	I'm trying to.
	Okay, let me do some chats here.
	We have Puffy Vegas, our good friend, Puff V, Puffy V, starting with the girl black girl on the right, and he went, the white girl, what, huh?
	7.5, 6.5, 7, 7.
	Or 7.5, 6, fuck it, 6, 7, 6.5.
	Valdev denated 99.
	Thank you, Vegas.
	Puffy.
	It is wild how such a simple question time and time again gets so much overthought.
	Kiko needs a new nickname for her good faith.
	Also, funny how the simps rate Kiko 10 tenths.
	They all would date if they could.
	It's not just simps rating me 10 out of 10, actually.
	I have a magnitude of the comments that I do get are men saying that they hate almost everything that comes out of my mouth.
	They don't stand for anything that I say.
	They don't agree with me at all.
	We're completely different.
	But they can't deny that I'm attractive to them.
	So I wouldn't say, sure, there are simps, but if anything, I do get a lot of those comments.
	So.
	Wait, what?
	I agree.
	Not only people call me 10 out of 10 are not just simps.
	There is other men as well.
	Yo, Valdiv.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Bender the Offender here.
	Actually, whoops, we have this one here.
	Dryzala, 100.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	First time Super Chat here, question for the panel.
	If Western standards weren't so high from women, do you think the shorter men can stand a chance of being with a woman he's attracted to?
	I'm 5'2, and all too often my height prevents being with a woman.
	Dryzala, thank you for the super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, height is definitely a tough one for men.
	Can I comment on this?
	So I find it absolutely ridiculous when short women, and I'm talking like 5'5'2, are like, I will only date men over six foot tall.
	I think it's absolute bullshit.
	Get over yourself, first of all.
	I'm decently tall.
	I'm 5'8 ⁇ , and I've dated plenty of people that have been the same height as me.
	Would I absolutely prefer somebody that's taller than me?
	Yes, but I find it so crazy that women that are very small have such a high preference for would you ever date someone shorter than you?
	I'm not saying that I wouldn't.
	I wouldn't.
	The men that I've dated that are quote-unquote the same size as me.
	People have said that they're actually shorter than me, but they're the same size or same height on paper.
	But no, I mean, I'm a pretty I have a pretty dominant personality, I feel like.
	And in a relationship, I do want to feel feminine, and I don't want to feel like I'm the more dominant masculine one in the relationship.
	So if somebody has a personality and lifestyle that does portray that, then that's totally fine if they're same height, maybe even shorter.
	But yeah, I agreed.
	Yeah.
	I feel bad for those men too sometimes.
	I think it is a double standard.
	But also, like, yeah, I've dated men the same height as me.
	And then I've run into the issue where I love my heels.
	I love my taller shoes.
	And like, they would get actually upset, like, would be visibly upset that I was taller than them with these shoes on and ask me to take them off.
	And say, I'm not doing that.
	I'm their shoes, you know?
	So that's where it's like, I like a few inches.
	But all those girls who are like five foot tall, literally like 4'11, saying, oh, I only date men over six feet.
	Maybe they dated a couple men over six feet, but a lot of the time they're not even dating men that are all over six feet.
	They're just saying it, but they've given a few.
	Maybe not the 5'2 guys they're dating, yes, but they've given some 5'10s, some 5'9s.
	You can't even tell the difference.
	They've given a 5'9, 5'10 guy a chance.
	By the way, 5'9's the average male height.
	I'm not saying that I've dated men that are 5'10.
	No, I'm not saying that's you, but you're talking about these other guys.
	I say give them a chance because these are the girls quote-unquote.
	Heaven forbid you give an average of average height.
	He's actually above average.
	I was saying that because these are the same women, quote-unquote, saying that they won't date anyone under six feet.
	So I'm saying that they give those men a chance as far, but they're not.
	That's just ridiculous.
	I already said I agree with that.
	Well, the prompt for J-Man 99.
	No, thank you, J-Man.
	$73 donated $99.
	Appreciate it.
	Love to see character development from Carlos.
	Oh, look at that.
	Look at that.
	You're winning the most.
	But honestly, she's a 7.5.
	As for who comes close to a 10x9 mask.
	Much love, Brian.
	Can we get a photo?
	Can you Google a photo of Anna DeR. Mask?
	She was in the James Bond movie.
	She was like the agent that met him in the middle of the day.
	I would agree.
	I think she's probably one of the most attractive women in entertainment right now.
	Are we getting a Google information?
	Yeah, Snick.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	Really?
	Huh?
	Her?
	This photo on the bottom right.
	Maybe it's not flattering, but X out and scroll down.
	She's gorgeous.
	Yeah, she's absolutely beautiful.
	I wouldn't say she's the standard of beauty.
	She looks like Angeli Note and Kylie Jenner mixed together really to me.
	I mean, I mean, she's definitely crawled, but I wouldn't say that's like the standard.
	Right.
	It's also so hard to tell in Google images.
	Google images be doing a lot of women dirty.
	That's true.
	Like those pictures look gorgeous.
	Isn't she older?
	Yeah.
	Stuff wrong with that.
	She's probably in her 30s.
	I don't know for sure, though.
	She kind of looks like she's element or whatever.
	I was going to say that.
	I don't want to be like Timothy.
	She's gorgeous though.
	Bringing this back up.
	I think it's actually interesting.
	And Priya raises a good point.
	Priya, you said you're 5'8 ⁇ , right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, so I think it's actually like women who are average height or above actually have seem to care less about height than like a girl who's 4'11 or 5'0.
	And you'd think, oh, okay, well, if you're a guy who's 5'2 ⁇ , just get a girl who's 4'11 or 5'14.
	Actually, those girls care even more about dating a guy who's tall for some reason.
	Like they want to, they definitely want guys.
	They can't reach tough.
	They're trying to like even out their gene pool.
	Yeah, something like that.
	If we get a six-foot man, maybe we can get some 5'5 kids.
	I gotta be a lot of people.
	I dated somebody who was the same height as me and I couldn't stand it.
	You couldn't stand it.
	Did not like it.
	Not one bit.
	Did not like it.
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'4.
	And he was 5'4?
	5'5?
	Okay.
	I'm a little over 5'7, and I don't understand the obsession with the over 6 feet thing.
	I've dated men my same height.
	I've dated men who, when I wear heels, I'm taller than them.
	I don't know what the obsession of biological is.
	That's biological.
	The same way they feel like men have the temperature.
	It's a turnover.
	I don't know if it's like dominant.
	I'm fine.
	5'9.
	Yes, I'm sure there's very strong short men out there.
	I mean, hey, they're center of gravity.
	They probably have some taller.
	I feel like I have to.
	I feel like I have to defend the five-foot girls out here because I'm five feet.
	Me too.
	And Height has never played a role in the man I've chosen.
	It plays no role in this.
	He's way taller than me, but that's not why I'm attracted to him.
	I'm 6'2.
	No, of course.
	But now you're coming.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like I'm as much said my boyfriend's six foot.
	So I mean, but that's how it should be.
	I I don't even think let's see a lot of girls get into this whole thing where they think that it's Like oh, I it's because like I need to be able to feel like I'm like hugging upward and things like that The reason why it bothers, the reason why 5'4 bothered you is not because of his relative height to you, it's because of his relative height to other men.
	That's why it bothers you.
	That's why I like.
	I don't like being eye-to-eye.
	That's why when you're 5'8 ⁇ , 5'9, but you really don't like him not being out of eye to other men.
	I think that's the biggest thing men.
	Well, and like she said, he didn't want me wearing heels.
	Like this is why, like, if you meet a guy who's average height, like it, actually, let's say you're five feet tall.
	You meet a guy who's 5'6.
	And he, do you want to say something real quick?
	No, go for it.
	I was going to say, if he, you guys are emotionally stimulated.
	That's how you get aroused.
	Like, you guys, that's why you never hear a guy being like, I just want a girl to have a really good sense of humor.
	No, that's what girls say.
	Okay.
	You guys, if you meet up, if you're five foot one, five foot two, you meet a guy who's five foot six, your initial thought, seeing him maybe at a bar or something like that, is going to be like, he's a little short.
	But the moment that he opens his mouth and he's got, he's got Riz, he's making you laugh, he knows how to freaking like schedule a date, take you out, show you a good time, you've got that vibe, right?
	And then all of a sudden you realize like, oh, he's like super disciplined.
	Like I enjoy spending time with him.
	Your height, the height preference goes out the window.
	Guys who are 5'2 ⁇ , 5'1, 5'th guys are in big trouble because of their relative height to other men, not their relative height to you.
	Even growing up, the most like Suave, the two boys I remember growing up in my class at my Catholic school was small.
	They were, I was 5'5 in fifth grade.
	These boys were like 4'9 until the day we graduated eighth grade, but they were the ladymen, like ladyman, whatever you call them of our class, even though they were the shortest.
	Like they're just so funny.
	Like they class clowns, athletic, whatever.
	But kind of back to my comment earlier when I said a lot of women, those short women will say, I only date men above six feet, but actually not because of how it sounds.
	They don't want to be the one to say like, oh, like they think it sounds lesser if they say they're not dating men over six feet.
	So that's why that's the whole like trend to say like I only date men over six feet.
	I also think dating apps in particular highlight this.
	I think if you're if you're a guy who's under six feet tall on a dating app, you're gonna struggle because women are going to be in their heads about this preference without realizing that they're just setting themselves up to fail.
	I think what you, back to what you were saying, we have a friend.
	I don't want to say his name.
	We have a friend that's, I think he's 5'2.
	Yep.
	And he does struggle on dating apps, but in person, he is always the most alpha person in the room.
	And in person, he gets every girl he approaches.
	And it's because of his personality is.
	He has a very masculine personality.
	Charisma is On my platform, like men ask me, I get so many DMs from men being like, help, like my looks are about a five, I'm a little bit short, like do I have a chance with a girl who's a nine or ten?
	And like the answer is absolutely yes, because like the guy that I was talking about earlier.
	It's gonna be harder.
	It's gonna be harder, yes, absolutely.
	You have to be more confident, you have to work on, you have to flex that muscle.
	But the guy that I'm dating that's abstinent, he's my height, a little bit shorter than me.
	And when I first went to the adult mass to meet and mingle with other men, my initial attraction was to the tallest guy in the room, the attractive one.
	And all the girls were kind of coming to him.
	And I was just kind of waiting for him to approach me or going to do something.
	And then this guy just came out of nowhere and made me laugh.
	That was it.
	Just like that.
	So I agree.
	Good times.
	All right, we have Benjamin the Offender here.
	Priya, what are the breeds of your horses?
	My sister has two Rocky Mountain, Tennessee Walker Mix and one Paint.
	I have a thoroughbred, a Holsteiner, and a Dutch warmblood.
	All right.
	Thank you, Benjamin the Offender.
	Those are her horses.
	All right, we have Tree Foster.
	Michaela, you are so beautiful.
	You're definitely higher than the five solid nine.
	Thank you.
	I thought so, too.
	Thank you.
	That's from Trey Foster.
	Thank you, Trey Foster.
	Appreciate it.
	First time seeing you in the chat.
	We have Dark Shinobi.
	There's a different, all caps, by the way.
	There's a difference between personal 10 and objective 10.
	Most people see 10s in the face, which is personal, but objective is a 10.
	You think most would agree because they have the body to match.
	Example, Ash Cash Cash.
	Ash Cash.
	Ash.
	I have no idea.
	She was a girl went viral for having the two different colored eyes.
	And I think her tapes got leaked multiple times, but then she turned it into a courier.
	She's a social media influencer.
	Thank you, Dark Shinobi.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Yeah, we have something related to that from Doc Vanablis.
	He says, golden ratio, 1 to 1.16 is the objective standard of beauty, not only across cultures, but nature.
	Da Vinci understood it and used it in his paintings and exemplified by the Marquardt mask.
	Attraction is a different concept, and that is what varies.
	Exactly.
	Should we all put our faces in the thing and see if we can see what number everyone actually is?
	Yes, we should.
	We should.
	There's probably some app that will compare you to something.
	There's an app that tells you how some of them are.
	It probably is, I'm sure.
	Yeah.
	I hope it lies to me.
	It's a savage.
	Mia, a bunch of people have been DMing me.
	A couple people have been DMing me saying that you got into trouble this weekend?
	Did something happen?
	Did something happen?
	How the hell did you know that?
	Just like a bunch of people were DMing me like that.
	It's actually a pretty dark story.
	I'm not sure if I want to get into it, honestly.
	But you can ask me surface level questions if you want.
	Did you get into it?
	What do you want to know?
	Did you get into trouble or did you say that?
	No, I didn't, like, I didn't get into trouble, no.
	Okay.
	But yeah, something did happen.
	Yeah.
	You can ask me questions if you want.
	You're still in school, right?
	I'm in the interim, like, so I have to apply for my PhD.
	Okay.
	Did you get into legal trouble?
	Should I just say it?
	I mean, the pressure's on.
	You're aware of it at all.
	I want to ask a question about it, but I have no idea what you're doing.
	Mess with getting into your program.
	No, of course not.
	I wasn't aware of Californian law.
	And there's a bit of a domestic dispute where I had to protect myself.
	And because of California law, just me grabbing my phone out of someone's hand was enough to get me into trouble.
	But the cops were very nice.
	Everyone was very sweet, and they got me out of there as quickly as possible.
	So it was a dangerous situation for me.
	That's why I don't really want to talk about it.
	Sure.
	Was this in Los Angeles?
	This was in Ojai, actually.
	Oh.
	Got you out of where?
	Sorry?
	You said got you out of where?
	I was in jail.
	You got arrested?
	Yeah, I did for grabbing my phone out of a guy's hand who was assaulting me, yes.
	Oh, Lord.
	Yeah, well, that's the rule in California.
	I actually did not know that, because in New York, if someone assaults you, you can absolutely fight back.
	But if that person is someone that you're dating and they're hurting you in some way, and you grab, even if you braze them, the sheriff of the department was actually talking to me about how he hates enforcing this law.
	And the cops literally had to apologize to me for arresting me because they didn't want to enforce this law because they've had to arrest men that during an argument would lay their hand on a woman's lap and boom, they would have to get arrested right there.
	It's literally as much of a just a little graze.
	Wait, you're dating this guy?
	Yeah, it's the guy from Phoenix.
	We're not dating anymore.
	Wait.
	So it's not the.
	Wait, but you said you were dating two guys.
	Yes, the divorcee.
	I didn't want to talk about it, but hey, can't you tell me?
	Oh, so you're dating three guys or the divorce A is no.
	It was the divorce.
	Oh, she?
	Not the Catholic guy, but the other guy.
	The other guy.
	Did he call the cops on you?
	No, no, no, no.
	Someone heard me.
	Guys, this is really fucked.
	Someone heard me getting attacked and they called.
	They called.
	I'm sorry.
	Thank you.
	Well, we don't have to talk about it.
	We just talked about it, Brian.
	I just literally admitted that I was in prison, but okay.
	I mean in jail.
	Don't say no.
	They're very different.
	I've never gotten in trouble with the law.
	My family is from law enforcement, NYPD.
	But California law is what it is.
	You can't fight back.
	Most likely, hopefully it'll get dropped.
	It will.
	The cops told me that the evidence I have is beyond.
	I recorded everything.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah, that's why he was trying to grab my phone for me.
	was an altercation.
	Were the police like did they witness the like altercation or like how did that play out?
	Can I just get into it?
	Did I just tell you, lay it all out on the table?
	Only if you feel comfortable.
	I mean, hey, it's already out.
	I literally said I went to jail.
	So I mean, like, what else?
	I don't really have much to hide.
	So in short, I told him no and to stop touching me multiple times over the course of three days.
	I lost sleep.
	I wasn't doing well.
	I was alone in California.
	No one else, but just me with him.
	And he wouldn't respect my nose.
	And he took it too far.
	And I screamed for help.
	And the cops came.
	Yeah, the cops came.
	And since I had everything on video, they saw me grab my phone from his hand because I was afraid he was, I mean, we were in Oja.
	We were in the middle of California mountains.
	Like, it was very scary for me as a New Yorker through and through.
	So he tried to grab my phone for me, and I grabbed it back.
	And the cops were literally, so nice here, so different from the NYPD.
	The cops looked at me directly in the eyes and said, we're so sorry that we have to do this, but we have to bring you in.
	Just because we saw you grab your phone back.
	And I was like, that's my property, though.
	Like, I needed to record the situation to show you guys.
	And they're like, we know, like, we're really sorry.
	We're going to process you as quickly as possible, and we're going to get you out of here.
	And then afterwards, they came, they escorted me.
	They made sure I was safe, okay, protected, and have safety afterwards.
	And they profusely apologized to me.
	So, yeah.
	That was crazy.
	Yeah, little spies, Brian.
	You said that crazy.
	Sorry something happened to him.
	That was a few days ago.
	Yikes.
	Are you still talking to them?
	No, absolutely not.
	Okay.
	Well, sorry to hear that you got involved with that situation.
	It was actually to what you were talking about earlier, the facade of the nice guy, until suddenly you don't give him what he wants and that facade drops and it becomes dangerous.
	And it's unfortunate that I found myself in that situation, but I'm strong and I'll pick myself up.
	So, Nicole.
	Oh.
	Devon Malik donated $100.
	Doesn't that make you a prime example of why men shouldn't allow the woman they might want to marry to date other men?
	I'm sitting here on a Tuesday and I get a phone call that the girl I might love is in jail because she hit her other boyfriend phone.
	Oh, God.
	That's implying that I would call another guy that I'm dating to try to bail me out of a situation that was completely out of my control and just no signs of red flags in my opinion.
	So I don't think it's right to say that or make that assumption.
	I wouldn't, you don't know who I called or what I did or how I processed it or handled it.
	So why don't you just keep your opinion to yourself?
	On her behalf, too.
	I mean, don't forget the fact that this other man in question is the man that requested for them to be seen other people.
	Yes, thank you, Kiko.
	Thank you.
	Is that really her fault?
	And I'm also polygynous.
	I'm also polygynous.
	So I am very much okay with guys dating other women.
	And if they're okay with me dating other men, I will do that.
	Okay, well, thank you for sharing.
	So, Nicole, let's go back.
	The six thing.
	Come on.
	I was just teasing you in your DMs.
	I actually think you're higher than a six.
	You literally just said that's not the case.
	Doubling back on your dad.
	Don't walk back what you were saying unless you genuinely believe it.
	Love you.
	I think, no, I think you're higher than a six when we're taking into account like the full male scale, right?
	But I was just saying, if we're just looking at like cuteness factors, like, I don't know, Brian, are you cuter than me?
	But on like the objective man scale, like how a woman would judge a man on the equivalent scale, you're higher than a six, I think.
	Well, that's the thing.
	I feel like so.
	That's all that was about.
	I feel like you're trying to make it really serious, and I just said you would make a good look at it.
	I was a silly DM.
	No, I hit the wall.
	So no men want me anymore.
	Yeah.
	Oh, otherwise, I'd let you baby wear flannel and sweatpants, and I would buy my own coffee with you on our date.
	I wouldn't even make you pay.
	So sweet.
	Oh, I hope I left you speechless.
	I'm going to pass on that.
	I'm a pass.
	Audi?
	Audi?
	What?
	Huh?
	Sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't get that.
	It's too early.
	I don't get it either.
	What?
	Don't worry about it.
	Don't worry about that.
	It's too early in the night.
	It's too early to talk about that.
	Oh, we all know what the Audi is.
	What?
	Audi.
	What is that?
	Okay, I don't know.
	Okay, the car.
	No.
	Wait, what?
	Something came in.
	I forgot.
	These are pretty good cookies, man.
	Save it for after the show, Kiko.
	I'm starving.
	Oh, the other thing.
	You actually, Nick, if you can pull up one of the screenshots we have.
	Oh, that's not the one.
	Okay, next one.
	That's not the one.
	Yeah, so on the show that you were on, we were talking about the Jonah Hill situation.
	Yes.
	And after the show, you had all this smoke.
	You wrote this whole thing about the Jonah Hill situation, how I guess it's controlling insecure abusive, blah, Unfortunately, when you were on the show, we didn't really hear.
	Yeah, it was my first time on the show.
	Not an excuse, but I'll read it.
	Okay.
	And because I couldn't get a word in while we chatted on this topic, this is exactly what I wanted to say.
	One last thing before I go shoot.
	I don't think it's appropriate to publicly post what she did.
	I couldn't imagine doing this to someone.
	My whole opinion is that Jonah is insecure in trying to control.
	This control doesn't allow for freedom.
	When one tries to control another's behavior, it doesn't work.
	His ex was also incredibly immature in her handling of all of this.
	I didn't see anything that flagged a million.
	Do you mind speaking without a condescending tone towards me?
	I mean, this is how you would speak, you know?
	That's not how I impressed you.
	I don't mind you bringing this up.
	This is my impression of like a stereotypical female value girl.
	Like a value girl.
	I just asked something if you wanted to.
	Oh, so it's okay for you to joke, but when I joke, it's not okay.
	No, I didn't.
	Because you literally just admitted to having joked about the six thing.
	Okay, continue on then.
	It was just a request.
	But it's perfectly okay for you to joke around when we're speaking about my physical appearance.
	But if I'm facetiously making a voice, oh my God, then you're up in arms.
	No.
	You literally interrupted.
	You just interrupted me while I was reading.
	You just asked me.
	Objecting to the way I was kind of humorously doing a female voice.
	I did.
	Okay.
	Okay, so you can continue on.
	It was just a request.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But like.
	We joked around.
	You know that I don't mind being joked around with and being teased and being roasted.
	Which is precisely what I was very in a very milqueto sort of way, what I was doing.
	Okay.
	I just made a request.
	That I don't do.
	That you don't use that tone of voice.
	Let's continue reading it.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, fuck.
	Hold on.
	Let's wait till that fucking clears.
	Cahill, Brian is a 10 simply because he runs a podcast like this.
	The women of the panel, please name one.
	Jesus Christ.
	Devon Malika donated one of the men.
	Thank you, Devon Malik.
	Imagine getting mad at me because I stated my opinion on information I didn't ask for.
	You're indulging in this podcast, so I mean, information you didn't ask for, you could turn it off.
	True.
	What's this in relation to that?
	I'm pretty sure this is in response to what I said, too.
	Is he the one who made a comment saying that, like, now she's going to go call another man about getting out of jail?
	Is he the one who made a comment saying that, like, now she's going to go call another man about getting out of jail?
	Yeah.
	And he's saying now that...
	Oh, yeah, he did leave that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, we're not.
	No one's being mad at you.
	I was just clearly stating that your point is mute.
	Yeah, you have no point because the man that you're concerned about her calling is the man who wants for them not to be in a committed relationship.
	And information you don't want.
	You're the one choosing to watch this podcast about our dating lives.
	So it is information you wanted.
	Thank you.
	Okay, let me get this one from Cahill while I've got it.
	Brian is a 10 simply because he runs a podcast like this.
	The women on the panel, please name one thing you've done that may remotely compare to everything a 10 like Brian has built.
	I mean, but the 10 thing, I mean, the rating thing is about looks.
	So, I mean, I don't really fact, you can't really factor.
	Perhaps, what's the term?
	Like, the overall picture, you can say, well, my personality, I've got a great personality, so that bumps me up a point or whatever.
	I'm successful.
	But thank you.
	Thank you for Kahil.
	Appreciate it.
	Someone else coming in on this?
	I don't know.
	One thing you've done that may remotely compare to everything at 10, like I think.
	I do, OF, and that's cool.
	I know.
	I'm the most hated.
	I'm the ultimate baby mama.
	I'm just hated.
	I'm in the Air Force.
	I can't.
	I'm not a pilot or just like a mechanic.
	A medic in the Air Force.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Good time.
	Med tech.
	A nurturing.
	I like that.
	Nurturing military.
	All right.
	That's good.
	I've nailed it.
	Yeah, it's not a competition, guys.
	I mean, it's not a competition.
	I'm sure everyone here at this panel has achieved all sorts of wonderful things.
	Kiko, for example, she.
	Anyways.
	She's beautiful.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, speaking of his magnificent podcast that he has, yeah.
	What has Kiko done?
	Listen, Kiko has accumulated Brian about 6 million views on his live podcast.
	Maybe another 20 plus views on short eclipse just on his own channels, by the way, not including the random promotion that he's gotten.
	No, not all the credit.
	Definitely was with the help of Chase.
	I couldn't do it without good old Chasey boy.
	And you were also on the Michael Knowles panel, too.
	I mean, that was.
	I was on Michael Knowles.
	I was with Allie.
	I've been on a few good ones.
	Oh, can't forget Taytay.
	I feel like that one didn't get a lot of views.
	It did it, and I know it pissed her off so bad.
	I know she's seen me.
	Are you down to box Tay Tay?
	That's going to be about 10 grand.
	Markuvius, are you still in the chat?
	We need to.
	I have no problem.
	That woman will for sure beat my ass.
	I mean, first of all, boxing, let me not.
	I mean, she commented.
	You're scrappy.
	I think you can.
	I've never been in a fight in my life.
	I've never physically.
	That was correct.
	Scrappy.
	I'm not a fighter.
	I'm a lover.
	Determined.
	Wait, scrappy.
	Boxing has weight classes.
	Determined or pugnacious?
	One is eager or quick to argue.
	Okay, I didn't really use that in the right way, I think.
	Okay, whatever.
	Maybe there's other definitions.
	I don't know.
	Are you down to boxer if Mark Wavius if he funds it?
	For 10k, for sure.
	I know she wants to fight me.
	She's made a lot of fun.
	Yo, Marquavius.
	Are you down?
	Are you down to set up a.
	I want to do a boxing event.
	We're going to have Madison fight.
	Who'd you want to fight, Madison?
	I have no hatred for anyone else.
	I mean, we can.
	Oh, Madison's going to fight Sophia.
	Kiko's going to fight Taytay.
	It's the main event.
	Who are you beefing with, Billy?
	You got any?
	I feel like you've avoided beef, right?
	Or I don't know.
	Yes.
	I do avoid beef.
	Okay.
	I try not.
	I think.
	Oh, there he is.
	I boxed for 12 years.
	I got confused.
	You want me to box, huh?
	I don't hit women unless they beg me.
	Kiko, do you want to box a man?
	What if he identifies as a woman?
	Well, if we're going to bring up that topic, no, I am not for trans in woman sports.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, slow clap.
	I mean, I feel like it's a very new topic that we've had to explore in recent times, but I have a pretty.
	We don't at all, but I have a very that's even why before, like when I think her name was Deborah, was going on her little spiel at the end of one of my episodes where I last rage quit.
	That's why I tried saying it wasn't what she was saying that I was trying to shut down because I don't agree with her or anything.
	There was many points she was saying that I do agree with.
	It was just the fact that it was 12.30 in the morning and she was bringing up topics that we hadn't even touched on yet that cannot be discussed, which shouldn't be discussed at 12.30 because it's going to be hours long.
	And you guys were here for another hour after one of the interviews.
	Somebody said Brian versus Bangs.
	I'm totally down for that one.
	Well, I don't.
	Maybe Bangs.
	Because that would be wonderful.
	But it's a lot of backpedal.
	It would be Kiko versus Taytay, one of their previous episodes.
	They had quite a back and forth.
	And she's continued to make multiple videos about it.
	I don't know who this person is.
	Yeah.
	I don't either.
	Because her videos are.
	She's a content creator.
	She's a content creator.
	Hey, be nice.
	Be nice.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not.
	Tico, come on, be nice to Tayto.
	I'm just saying, like, because there's been a lot of viral clips that go around from your podcast and there hasn't been that many viral clips from that segment.
	So not a lot of people are like, what does she create?
	She's pro-man's emotions and feelings-based.
	Yeah, like, and I totally get it.
	That's not my beep with her at all.
	I think.
	All right, so Mark Wavius, we will email you about scheduling this boxing event.
	So we'll get a card sorted and we'll have a main card and whatnot.
	You should get it promoted by Zeus.
	Who the f?
	Who?
	Zeus is like a network program that has all the Batty South and Chris Sean and Blue Face where their shows are.
	Sure.
	Let's pull back up.
	Yeah, let's get back into that.
	Let's get back into that.
	All right, where did I leave off here?
	third paragraph both of both of them or I don't I don't know if I want to be petty and just continue Both of them were engaging in manipulation.
	North of them should have.
	North of them should have.
	Do you know how to spell it?
	I think I was saying both.
	Oh, yeah, neither of them.
	That's probably what it autocorrected.
	Okay.
	Yeah, blame it on auto correct.
	North of them.
	Neither of them should have exited the relationship far before it ended.
	It seems like there could have been behaviors she exhibited that would make a man not want to be in a relationship with okay the Jonah, the Jonah, leave her.
	I don't know the purpose of her publicly posting all the text.
	To me, it's poor taste.
	Neither of them impress me.
	Both are in the wrong.
	They both need to learn what actual boundaries are.
	So yeah, agree with you on the first part.
	Definitely wrong of her to fucking expose Jonah with leaking the shit.
	But you said that he was either insecure or it wasn't actually boundaries.
	Or what's your actual position on that?
	The conversation that day, the point that I wanted to make is there's a difference between trying to control someone and get into this game of behavior control and setting up personal boundaries and standards.
	So if Jonah Hill was dating this woman, I don't know what she was doing.
	But if she was doing things that before he knew her, I mean, so she posted bathing suit photos and stuff.
	She was doing this before they dated.
	To me, Jonah would look at that and say, well, before I enter into a relationship with this woman, if she's posting these surfing photos and surfing with men, that boundary could be established up front.
	He'd say, look, I really like you, but these things bother me, make me uncomfortable, et cetera, et cetera.
	And a boundary of mine is like, I want to pursue this relationship, but I can't be with a woman who does XYZ.
	And then the woman could respond and say, hey, no, that's what I do.
	And then Jonah can say, okay, cool, walk away.
	But what it seemed to me, and I don't know the details of it, but when we were reading through their text messages, it looked like this power struggle and this manipulation from both sides and him saying, well, I told you, take that down, and why did you do that?
	And then she's blasting publicly.
	To me, it just shows immaturity on both sides.
	So I think it's important to have personal boundaries of what you will and will not accept in a partner and what your preferences are, your non-negotiables.
	And Jonah should form a boundary and then pull himself away from the scenario and vet a different woman.
	So, and on her end, what she did, I mean, no words for that, but I just saw them as both in the wrong and both not functioning in a healthy way within the relationship.
	And so, yeah.
	So, do you object to him, for example, not wanting her to post revealing photos?
	I don't.
	Because she previously was posting revealing photos.
	No, I don't object to that.
	Oh, wait.
	I don't object to him saying, I don't want to date a woman who posts bikini photos, okay?
	You object to him saying it who knows how long into the relationship?
	I think that since it's something that she did prior to entering the relationship, it's a discussion that should be had in the beginning or as they get into it.
	But when you read those text messages, it clearly went very far.
	It went beyond Jonah asking, expressing, her saying yes or no, and then Jonah saying, you know what?
	She's not the woman for me.
	Her values don't align.
	My boundaries are higher.
	Walk away.
	Like when you look at those text messages, this has been festering in their relationship, becoming very, very toxic.
	And I saw what looked to be both of them in a power struggle, him trying to gain some kind of control and her using manipulation with him.
	And I just thought the whole thing was kind of a mess.
	I don't think this is a stupid conversation.
	I mean, she leaked these messages.
	It's a personal relationship.
	We shouldn't be giving any attention to her because I don't agree with anybody leaking a personal text message.
	I think this is just a stupid conversation to be having.
	Like, who the hell cares about their text messages?
	I agree.
	I just think it's a waste of time.
	I mean, we clearly, I think we can all agree it was dumb of her to leak these messages.
	That's a breach of his privacy.
	So why are we giving her attention?
	We're doing exactly what she wants right now.
	I think that was the entire purpose of her leaking those text messages.
	And now here we are on the whatever podcast talking about this girl's messages.
	We're giving her everything she wants.
	I don't know who she is.
	I don't know who she is either.
	I never looked it up.
	It's like kind of the same thing if you guys are.
	She leaked them for a reason, and we're doing exactly what she's doing.
	The Adam Levine situation, like how Adam Levine's mistress, it was really clear that she wasn't posting about it because she felt bad that she was cheating.
	It was because she wanted to further her career as a social media influencer.
	So she decided to do that.
	Sure.
	I mean, look, we can, ignoring the specifics of their relationship and how it was inappropriate for her to be able to do that.
	But we're reading into messages that were, it's a relationship we're not even correct.
	But the correctness is overarching.
	Okay, but the pivot is, okay, well, what the pivot is.
	The discussion is, what about boundaries in relationships?
	Is it okay for your partner to post revealing photos online?
	What is a boundary?
	What is controlling?
	For example, a lot of men don't want to date women who go out to bars and nightclubs.
	For some men, it's a boundary of, hey, I don't want to date a woman who...
	Then don't.
	So, but also, I think that's a good idea.
	That's exactly what he did.
	But that's what Jonah Hill said to her.
	If you want to be with a man who has these types of boundaries, I'm under the age on a hill, decided to see her Instagram and everything she posts and decide to start a relationship with her.
	Why start a relationship with a woman who even does that to begin with?
	There's plenty of women who don't do that.
	How Michaela said, she's maybe a one-piece photo.
	He should have went and found a woman like Michaela who's not posting those things.
	Why try to find a partner to change them?
	It might be different if, I mean, not even this day and age, it won't even happen, but why?
	Because if she's posting those photos as a single woman trying to get attention and then she's willing to stop doing that, then she settles down with a man.
	But I mean, I haven't, is there an example we can think of of a woman who posts like that and then gets in a relationship and decides not to?
	I think it's there's a fine line between it because it's like if she's only posting maybe something that's a little bit tempting and she realizes out of respect for her man now that she doesn't want to do those things, sure.
	But a woman who's consecutively almost every single post that she has is thirst trappy, the odds of her getting a relationship and stopping that cold turkey, I feel like are very rare.
	If anything, we see time and time again, men being upset when their woman decides not to stop doing those things.
	Just as like if you go out, if you start dating a man who's known to be very flirtatious and talk to many women, and once you guys start dating, he continues to do those things, are you?
	How can you be so surprised?
	Like he showed you who he is.
	But okay, so I mean, your recommendation is, is that you're saying, oh, the boundary should be expressed immediately.
	So like, let's say you're going on a first date with a girl who has bikini photos on her Instagram.
	Do you think you're really going to make a strong case on a first date to instantly be like, hey, I want you to take your photos down?
	Like, be on this date with her to begin with.
	You can only make that sort of play when you have, you've built a bit more of something, a bit more of a relationship.
	There's no way I'm going on a first date with a girl and immediately, like, she's immediately going to fall into my frame of, hey, I don't appreciate you having these photos out there.
	I totally agree.
	And a lot of people have been brainwashed into like, oh, let's just post super promiscuous photos.
	That's totally cool.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	I mean, I agree that you can't bring that up on a first date or in the beginning.
	That's why you shouldn't date that woman at all.
	Like my posts, maybe some of my posts you might think is promiscuous, but they're not.
	I post myself.
	I'm a young woman, but I have, I think, maybe a bikini picture from 2018 up.
	I don't post like that.
	So my boyfriend wouldn't have to worry about it.
	I agree with you on that because I feel like if you wait until after you start a relationship with this person, you're asking them to change.
	Like how do you know they're going to do it?
	Yeah, like, well, originally, like, I feel like you should be searching for the person.
	For me personally, I'm searching for the person I want to marry.
	And so I don't, I wouldn't ask them to immediately right off the bat change.
	Like, if they're posting, revealing stuff, so be it, you're not the person for me kind of thing, and move on.
	Like, that's not the person I would be looking for.
	I disagree.
	I think that people are absolutely willing to change for people.
	I think that what Brian said about boundaries, anyone who thinks that setting a boundary the moment you meet somebody and they're just going to be like, oh, okay.
	Like, like, no way.
	It's never going to happen.
	A lot of times it takes like, okay, put your foot down and like put it in their head.
	And by the way, as a man who has dated women, a lot of times when you do that, the first reaction is highly emotional, highly defensive, right?
	Because essentially when you set a boundary, what are you telling someone?
	You did something wrong.
	That's essentially what you're saying.
	And maybe it's not wrong.
	At least it bothered me.
	And a lot of times when you tell a woman that they bothered you, they immediately say that they are bothered by the fact that you were bothered.
	And their feelings that are hurt are now more important than your feelings that are hurt.
	And another one of the big reasons why I want to talk, because I think one of the other things that you had a problem with was just the median, the medium by which he set the boundary, right?
	You're like, it should have been a more just responsible, in-person, like easy conversation where you just like sat down and hashed it out.
	Well, I mean, that's things are messy, though.
	I mean, there's always the ideal of what a conversation should look like.
	I just saw from the limited text messages that from both directions, it was quite off the rails.
	But it's also like.
	With me and her, and this isn't about, this isn't even about like setting boundaries.
	It's like every once in a while, like me and her might get into like just like a heated back and forth.
	And then like, I'll like go to the gym or something like that.
	I take a second, and like, rather than like sitting down and being like, okay, like rather than like say something that like might get her a little upset, and then we have to deal with like being upset.
	Why don't I just like think about what I want to say?
	Send a text that's like exactly what I want, like what I wanted to say back to her.
	And then she reads it, goes, oh, heart's the message.
	I come back.
	Hey, we're good now.
	Yeah, cool.
	Guys will use that like written medium to just get every single thought out before you can even have the emotional reaction to interrupt him in his chain of logical thinking.
	That's not to say women aren't logical.
	You guys are still logical thinkers.
	But you do have a tendency to let your emotions guide the direction of the conversation.
	So that's one of the big reasons why guys will use this written medium to get these points across.
	So it comes across as highly controlling, very odd, very robotic.
	But that's just him being like, you know what?
	I've tried to have this conversation.
	It might have been, I've tried to have this conversation before.
	She doesn't freaking listen to me.
	So I'm just going to spell it out.
	And if she wants to go, she'll go.
	If she wants to say, she'll stay.
	As a guy, I can 100% see that.
	That's fair.
	I don't know you, but this short time that I've been sitting with you, I have a feeling that however you text your girlfriend does not look like Jonah.
	And the text that I saw.
	I think it's been long in our relationship than they probably wanted to.
	So I understand what you're saying, and I agree with what you're saying.
	There's just a difference between boundaries and control.
	Yo, Raven DT, thank you very much for the TTS.
	And just one note really quick on this, and I'll let you continue.
	Yeah, I mean, prior to dating, so Jonah had no problem with her engaging in what he considered single behavior.
	I think even the text revealed that he had initially even liked one of her surfing bikini photos, whatever it may be.
	But once they started dating, he wanted her to act in a way that he thought was consistent with her being in a relationship.
	So what was once acceptable when she was single or at the very beginning of the relationship soon became not acceptable when he actually wanted to become serious and just see her or have the relationship develop.
	So, and continue on with your point.
	I don't think I have anything else to say.
	I'm in agreement with that.
	What I was seeing in the text messages was Jonah Hill, instead of standing firm in a boundary and communicating, it just, from what I saw, looked like it was coming from a place of him being a little controlling, which control is just different from a boundary.
	And I also saw on her end, she was definitely being manipulative.
	I mean, you can see that immediately.
	But I don't have like big passionate feelings towards them.
	I don't know them, but yeah, but I did.
	But I wanted to say that because I didn't get to say it.
	All right, fair enough.
	All right, we have Ninja Smoke House.
	Say thank you, man.
	I'm married now.
	However, when my wife met me, I was sleeping with other women.
	Should I still be able to?
	She met me that way.
	Good point.
	No, people should change from doing single things to relationship behaviors when off the market.
	Have you not changed for a boyfriend?
	Of course.
	That's not what I'm stating at all.
	I just don't, I think what I'm trying to say is the issue you might be having is some men find the way women act on Instagram should be different in a relationship versus not, where I believe what I'm saying is most women are acting the same on Instagram, whether they're in a relationship or not.
	So like a woman who is posting consecutively in a thirst-trappy manner or such is probably going to want to continue to do so.
	And a woman who doesn't, like, I would get if it was she was posting a certain way and then you guys are dating and then she starts posting these more provocative images and you're going to be like, okay, like, you know, but I just don't see how Instagram could be a detail.
	Like, yeah, maybe not going out and clubbing all the time.
	Yes.
	Obviously not sliding into people's DMs if she's doing that thing or responding to abundance of messages, of course.
	But I just don't personally know any woman who change the way that they post on social media, depending if they're in a relationship or not.
	Because remember, social media is forever.
	Like social media is forever.
	So just in case she deletes it, I mean, the picture is still around.
	What makes a difference if that bikini picture was posted last year versus now?
	I have plenty of friends that change the way that they behave on social media when they're in a relationship versus when they're single.
	Like what are they posting?
	What are they posting?
	Do you think bikini ass photos?
	Okay, very good.
	Because me personally, I wouldn't do that or not.
	And I feel like even if they're not doing, like, I feel like that still says something about her if she's doing that while single.
	Sure.
	I completely agree that like I wouldn't do that as well.
	So like value-wise, I'm definitely different than those women.
	But there are definitely things, no matter how small or large that they are, there are behaviors that all of us engage in that we would do while we're single that we would not do in a relationship and should not do in a relationship.
	Yes, I just think it's risky behavior to get into a relationship with somebody, have the time go on, and then be like, okay, this is not what I'm okay with.
	Like I think you have to realize there's always a chance for them to not want to do it.
	And that's kind of what we saw in the Jonah Hill situation where she didn't want to do this.
	Sure, but it's completely reasonable for him to ask her not to and expect her not to because that is not that's not behavior that aligns with being in a relationship.
	I get your point, but it's like if that's his views and alignment, he doesn't want his woman posting that on Instagram or whatever.
	But I mean, everyone still knows that that's your girlfriend that was just posting her ass two months ago.
	So like I, if you're worried about an image and how she's portraying yourself, that's so important to you.
	Well, but you're still advertising yourself as single.
	If you're posting bikini photos on the internet while you're single, you are Instagram is the largest dating app in the entire world.
	It's the largest dating online dating platform.
	I think at the end it just boils down to the fact that he probably didn't feel respected.
	Yeah.
	Like in our relationship, granted, we are in a weird situation where I have male followers on my platform, but every single thing I post, whether it's a photo, which I rarely post, or a video, which I post every day, he watches every single thing before it goes out, even stories.
	Like I run every single thing I post by him.
	Not because I'm like, hey, do you approve of this post?
	No, I just, everything, it's just a respect thing.
	If he doesn't like something I'm about to post, I don't post it.
	I get that because I've done the same thing.
	That's not my point at all.
	I just, my more so question is because we only, we mostly see this on the male side, right?
	We don't really see a woman dating a man that has like maybe pictures on the beach being like, I want you to take those down and stop posting that.
	I can give you the male equivalent in a second.
	Okay, but it's just, I just, well, my whole point is it just, it is kind of weird to me.
	Maybe it's not a point, but overall question I have, but how a man is comfortable with his girl posting all of that before we're together, but now that they're together, out of respect, you don't post it anymore.
	But like, I mean, if, because why?
	She looks like a hoe?
	I mean, the girl's still known as a hoe.
	Well, I know.
	Because she looks single.
	Exactly.
	If you're posting that while you're single, I'm not saying that I encourage it, but it is quote unquote acceptable because you are advertising yourself as single.
	If you continue to post those photos while you're in a relationship, you are still advertising yourself as though you are single.
	Okay, I think that's also differences.
	I've never, like you guys say, Instagram is the biggest dating app in the world, which I definitely see how it is for sure.
	But it's I've never used my Instagram, single or not.
	I've never been like, I'm advertising myself.
	Sure, either of them.
	My Instagram is more, I mean, people I don't believe it here, but mine's more of like, this is what I'm doing, this is what I'm up to, this is my life.
	I've never been like, ooh, I'm going to post this because this is like sexy, single.
	Like, they're going to see me.
	So I guess that's why my mind is a little bit more different because I don't think of social media in that way.
	No, I'm not sure.
	I do, and I don't either.
	Because if I want to post a bikini picture, it's not because I'm like, ooh, I'm looking sexy and I want to post this.
	It's because I was at the beach.
	I live at California.
	I go to the beach every single day almost.
	I spend a lot of my time here.
	Sure.
	And like there's a difference between posting like a group photo of you and your friends at the beach versus you posing in like a promiscuous pose and posting that on social media when you're just like me, going like you know I'm smiling, whatever from the front but yeah, from when he turned around, Martin donated $100.
	Ladies, follow this advice and win.
	Date someone a bit older than you.
	Yeah, ensure that your core beliefs are aligned, religion family, etc.
	If he's the right man, you'll gladly acquiesce to his frame, but most men are weak losers.
	More for Brian and me.
	Thank you, Markavius.
	Date wait, someone will ensure that your coronavirus.
	Do you mind if I say something?
	I personally I don't disagree with dating older.
	Personally I would not, because I feel like you're missing out on a lot of life experiences with that person.
	And personally, like I want to be broke in our 20s together eating ramen, like I think I don't think it's quote unquote fun, but it's an experience of growing together and that may be a personal value I have of mine, but I definitely don't see where that would be beneficial for all women.
	I think if you go in with that mentality, it forces you to grow up faster.
	I think that's the other thing.
	A lot of people think like you find the person and now you are who you are.
	If you go into it, thinking like we could actually create something very, very unique and powerful together, I felt like I wish that I like I wish that I dated differently.
	When I was younger I was kind of brainwashed the same way that I said a lot of women that the way you said a lot of women were earlier like I didn't have, like like I always I think I kind of always knew that I wanted to find a wife and get married, but I was like I can wait, like I should become a certain type of man.
	I should do this like.
	I do believe that the advice to men to focus on yourselves and turn yourself into a more desirable option, more of a high value man, can certainly benefit you in the modern dating world, but I think that if men could separate from the end goal and more key in on the characteristics, characteristics that get you to be a high-value man,
	they could get develop those characteristics between the ages of like 16 to 22, and then they will be able to latch on, sorry, they'll be able to find a girl at that age and they will be able to stimulate her, they'll be able to attract her because she will see the ambition and she will see the potential.
	That is definitely something that can happen, but men need to start focusing in on those characteristics rather than just abandoning dating altogether and thinking, I'm just going to use the characteristics to get to age 30 and then find my special someone.
	You said that you had something in response to Kiko, the male version, was it?
	Yeah, and then the conversation steered a little bit differently, so now it's not quite the direct comparison.
	But I do think this is an important thing to bring up.
	I think there's a very, very direct core, a direct parallel that you can draw between women's obsession with social media and men's obsession with porn.
	I think that when you really break it down, the currencies, you hear this all the time.
	The currency for women is attention.
	The currency for men is sex.
	And if you wanted to just put it into a very, very simple parallel, if a man was watching a lot of porn when he was single because he just wasn't getting laid all that often, he needed to get off, satisfy himself, and then he got together with you and he was just like, yeah, I'm just going to keep watching a lot of porn.
	I'm going to keep just like doing that.
	You would probably find that to be weird.
	Okay, so I mean, I'm not trying to be argumentative sake, but my response to that would be I would never date a man who consumes a lot of porn to begin with.
	So I wouldn't have that problem.
	Okay.
	But why are men consuming porn?
	It's because they're not getting laid.
	So when he starts getting laid, first of all, he's probably going to think to himself, I don't need porn as much because now I can get off having sex or through some other form of intercourse.
	And he's going to think to himself, I should probably just stop doing this for my partner.
	I should start acting like a man who's in a relationship and not, you know, going to wherever I go to like open up my laptop and just pleasure myself.
	I mean, I've literally, out of my long-term relationships, I know when they say that they're not lying, they don't watch porn.
	They were never porn consumers to begin with.
	I don't find, I'm not really usually attracted to men who do.
	Not saying that's, I mean, I'm saying it could be a bad thing to overconsume, but not, it is a problem with men, the overconsumption of porn, but there's not all men, obviously, that overconsume porn.
	But if I did have that issue, I do see your overarching point.
	That's kind of like what my response is.
	Like, I feel like you could just not have to worry about this if you just don't date someone who's doing that.
	So do you think that like porn in general for men, like, oh, sorry.
	Like, who determines the value of porn?
	Like, the consumer, right?
	Right.
	Right.
	So are you, I'm just confused in what you're saying.
	So you're saying that, like, can you elaborate on what you're saying?
	No, what I'm saying is men go to porn to satisfy their like innate mating need.
	Their lack of sex.
	Their lack of sex, their sexual desire.
	Women go to social media to get the attention from men.
	It's like the very, very- It's like a cycle that feeds itself.
	Yes, women are seeking attention so that they then have an opportunity with the man who they're trying to get the attention from.
	Men are looking for sex.
	But what would you say about the women that have like OnlyFans or Pornhub or something like that?
	That like all of in the comments basically are just a bunch of quote-unquote simps.
	Like those aren't men that high value men that like women actually want.
	Those are men.
	Those are men that like they would want to take advantage of and take money from.
	Wait, what?
	I'm going to stomp that out right there.
	Okay.
	Because I do OnlyFans and I'm going to tell you right now that I have simps that you guys would quote unquote call them simps.
	But I like them.
	I have genuine relationships.
	Because they're paying you.
	No, I have relationships with most of these guys before they even pay me.
	Define relationships.
	You know what I mean?
	Like friendships.
	Like I know these people.
	They're not friends if they want to see you naked.
	They desire you.
	They desire you from afar.
	Do you find that hard to believe, truly?
	That they're not friends with me just because they're true because as a woman, you've probably had multiple friends that are men, men.
	I definitely want to see your name.
	No, definitely want to see you naked, but I would still consider them a friend, even if that was their defense.
	That's crazy that they still just someone wants to see me.
	No, but by definition, if you talk to girl.
	If I had a male friend that subscribed, if I made it only friends, I'm not saying never would.
	I would never subscribe to you.
	I'm not saying that because your statement was he's not your friend if he wants to see you naked.
	But I'm saying if you're an attractive woman that has male friends, there's a good chance that even if you're still your true friend, they want to see you naked.
	I mean, I agree with that statement, but we're talking about somebody in the event that they have a paid platform where they can literally subscribe and pay to see you naked.
	I would never, ever, ever, if in some random world I had that sort of platform, I would never be friends with somebody that would subscribe to something like that.
	I'm just saying.
	No, I'm just saying that you're not afraid of me.
	I think you're completely wrong.
	I wasn't talking about the overall thing.
	I think you're just like a fantasy from afar.
	If they're asking, they're paying you $100.
	You have to realize that a lot of these people, like, I come from a small area.
	Okay.
	They could subscribe to anybody else on OnlyFans.
	I guess they could, right?
	But I guess they're putting money in my pocket instead, right?
	Well, a lot of the appeal of OnlyFans too is like why these women do so well their first month and then like don't do well anymore is because a lot of men who've known them their whole life wanted subscribe in the beginning just to see, like this girl they've known their whole life, they have a chance to see them naked.
	It is a big, it does happen a lot yes, doesn't that just prove her point?
	Yeah, that it's not friendship.
	That it's not friendship definitionally.
	About this.
	You want to talk about nice guy.
	No, i'm not the longest nice guy conversation, i'm literally just pointing out her like individual statements, saying not the actual thing of what she's talking about is just how statements can get construed.
	Is what i'm saying?
	No, it's not about whether or not he's allowed to be your friend.
	Like you can i'll say it like you can think that he's your friend and he will treat you with respect, he'll be nice to you, he'll be kind to you, he'll do things for you.
	He might even like, confide in you, allow you to confide in him.
	But the moment, the moment that you were like I want something more let's, let's have sex.
	Do you have sex with your friends?
	I have, then they're not friends.
	Friendship is platonic.
	I consider friends with benefits okay, though.
	So you guys probably don't see things on that same level.
	You're probably not in the same views as I have, so okay, so like, let's just say that you were, let's just say that you were like dating, like you are dating a guy right now right, like you're dating guy right now.
	If you had these like male friendships, like friendships with guys who like, subscribe to you, like actually intimately desire you, they're like they're, they're admitting that like, and they're able to see you naked right like like, how does he feel, knowing that there are, like other men that you would consider to be like close, intimate relationships?
	He thought that also, he's on my only fans with me.
	Well um, like My partner's, on my OnlyFans with me.
	He makes content with her.
	He is also a sex worker.
	Wow, this is like the most whole circle.
	No, it makes it serious.
	I'm just saying.
	Like, you know, like.
	Good times.
	And that's like the whole point when it brings up.
	So you're finding someone who's for you who's like you meet someone with the same values as you, same things you're comfortable with.
	That's the whole thing.
	That was not the point of the conversation, though.
	The point of the conversation was whether the men on your OnlyFans can be your friends or not.
	And friendship is platonic by definition.
	Therefore, they cannot be your friends because you are an object of desire and sexual affection.
	That's just how it works.
	I find that hard to believe, but it's the truth.
	Agree or disagree.
	I think you're wrong.
	You think I'm wrong.
	So agree, disagree.
	I think they can value you, but only to a certain extent.
	Are they in person?
	Like, do you know these guys in person?
	Some of them asked.
	Do the guys in person that are your friends pay you for nudes?
	Sometimes, yes.
	No comment.
	I withdraw.
	Zero comment?
	I quit.
	You rest your case?
	I rest my case.
	All right, fair enough.
	That much to say.
	Sort of taking it back to this thing about the differences between men and women.
	I'm so cold in here.
	I know.
	You cold?
	Nick, can you close?
	Actually, I also have a lot of caffeine.
	I've been drinking like three Celsius since I've been here.
	So it doesn't hide anymore.
	I have something from a Twitter account.
	Unfortunately, I can't say the name because it's a little bit, you know.
	Haram.
	A little bit haram.
	So, but it relates to our discussions of kind of the posting revealing photos on Instagram, but more precisely, men not wanting their partners going out to bars and clubs and parties and whatnot.
	So, and you more often hear, you more often hear men objecting to their partners going out to nightclubs, bars, et cetera, et cetera.
	At least for me personally, I would not want to, I would not take a woman seriously who goes out to bars and clubs and parties.
	The difference is, is that women run passive game.
	And I'm crediting this to, let's just say, LDG on Twitter.
	They don't approach men, but they put themselves in positions where they could be approached by men, clubs, for example.
	They won't DM a man, but they'll post a picture to lure him into DMing them.
	So this comes back to our topic of the revealing photos, right?
	Mainstream media doesn't want you to know this.
	Men are salesmen, women are marketers.
	But most guys are too naive and lack the capacity for nuanced thinking to be able to identify this distinction.
	In a committed relationship, a man should stop pitching and a woman should stop advertising.
	So, fair proposition.
	So, advertising, posting revealing photos on Instagram, going to the nightclub bar, et cetera.
	But most men are fooled into believing that just because their woman isn't also initiating conversations with other men, that everything is good.
	She was never initiating conversations to begin with.
	That's not how she operates.
	We utilize different strategies to get similar outcomes.
	As a guy, you stopped talking to women, you gave up your edge, but she never stopped putting herself out there.
	That's why she already had a replacement for you after the breakup because she never stopped marketing.
	She was generating leads the whole time.
	And then there's a bit more about he's making an analogy when it comes to rhinos and stuff.
	That makes sense, yeah.
	So, yeah.
	Does it make sense, kind of?
	I see the comparison.
	I get what they're getting at.
	And that definitely is something I see how it happens.
	And that's for some people.
	But yeah, I guess because it doesn't matter to me, it doesn't.
	The amount I post does not change if I'm single or not.
	Like what I post doesn't change if I'm single or not, because I guess I'm not posting things to begin with that are single activity.
	And like, yes, you say like we're advertising ourselves, but I know.
	Pull up your Instagram, Kiko?
	Go for it.
	But the worst part of my night and my friends' nights, if we do go out, like when we would go out, is men approaching us.
	That's probably the worst.
	Worst part of your nights?
	I don't go out.
	I don't have any friends either.
	I actually know.
	I won't say any.
	Why do you have friends that were theater?
	I was on the table, by the way.
	I'm just.
	Jesus Christ.
	Why are there so many cups on the table?
	Fuck.
	Okay.
	Sorry, continue.
	I do have some friends that are more fast, as we would call them, that will talk to men.
	Like 304, you guys would call it.
	But no, like I'm not going out for men to talk to me.
	I'm going out because maybe I want to have a drink and dance and listen to some good music and talk to my friends.
	Well, you have a boyfriend right now, but what about when you're single?
	Yes.
	I don't enjoy men coming up to me and talking to me when I'm.
	Do you meet your boyfriend?
	I met him when I was working.
	At the bar?
	At the bar I work at.
	I was working, though.
	He approached you?
	You just said you don't like it when men do that.
	I don't.
	But that's how you met your current boyfriend who you're now going to marry or you want to marry.
	Yeah.
	How do you want men to approach you then?
	I'm not saying, I really don't know.
	I don't think there's any one concise way.
	I guess my boyfriend, how he did it, I was working.
	He came up to my bar, came to me, he said, hey, how you doing?
	He got a drink and he was like, told me you find me really attractive and he asked for my phone number.
	I told him I don't give out my phone number at my job.
	You have my Instagram.
	He sent me a message on Instagram.
	Hey, how about that number?
	Gave him my number.
	We started talking from there.
	Wait, hold on.
	Will that work for everybody?
	No, that won't work for everybody.
	He's a very attractive man.
	So it worked for him.
	Should we have him on the podcast?
	You think he'd be down?
	He would be.
	He would.
	I don't know how that will go, though.
	What?
	Would he beat me up or something?
	No, don't.
	No, you don't disrespect me.
	We are very different.
	Yeah.
	We should have him on.
	Yeah.
	Ask him if he's down.
	Ask him if he's down.
	I don't know.
	No, please, let's do it.
	Let's do it.
	I don't worry, honestly.
	Because if we watch the whatever.
	No, like, I don't, like, I'm not a confrontational person.
	That's kind of like how we work.
	We disagree on a lot of things because I am okay with not being right.
	I know the comments will agree with that, but on my normal life, I'm fine with not being okay with everything.
	I'm fine with like agreeing to disagree or walking away with him thinking, you know, that he's right and above all.
	But on here, we're supposed to discuss things further and we do good on our own, but I don't want outside things to affect our relationship.
	Wait, so one question, bringing it back to the whole like approaching thing, right?
	So you said that you don't like it when men approach you when you're out partying or whatever.
	Just the other gives you very, very nagging normal.
	Other girls here at the table, like if you're at the bar, let's assume you're single, you're at the bar, like do you generally dislike it when men approach you in these environments?
	Just here, we'll go around the table really quick, quick answer.
	I don't drink.
	I smoke weed.
	Okay.
	Can you repeat the question?
	Do you like when men approach you?
	Yes.
	Yeah, of course.
	Okay.
	No.
	Yes.
	Sorry, so you like it or you like it when men approach you?
	Or you dislike it when men approach you?
	I like it.
	You like it?
	Okay.
	You like it?
	I like it.
	If it's in a tasteful manner?
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Billy?
	I mean, I never put myself in a situation when I was.
	Sorry.
	I never put myself in a situation when I was single to have a guy approach me at a bar or a club because I just didn't go to them.
	So I would get approached at a grocery store, and if it was done in the right way, then that's fine with me.
	Okay.
	So some different answers there.
	I feel like a lot of women, though, who might complain about all these men, it's so annoying, they approach me.
	I think it's the surroundings.
	You're going to find...
	Well, this is in response to everybody, but not just you, but go ahead.
	I think you're going to find, if you're in a club, you're most likely going to get a drunk man approaching you, and it's probably not going to be done in the most tasteful manner.
	So that's probably why a lot of girls are turned off by it, because that's where they're being approached most.
	You are most likely to have success picking up a girl if you pick her up in a way where her anxiety is low.
	That is like, can we all agree with that?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	That's why I always encourage guys to utilize day game as it's known.
	Like I tell guys, hey, do you have a dog?
	Pick girls over the dog park.
	It's a great place.
	Coffee shops.
	Like, hey, do you know the Wi-Fi password?
	Easy conversation starter.
	Little things like that.
	But I want to just bring this back a little bit to what you were saying because you're like, when you go out, you don't like when guys approach you.
	And then I asked you, how do you want guys to approach you?
	So whenever you're out and you, I mean, basically, the only time that a guy can approach you is when you're out of the house, right?
	Like unless he breaks in and is like, date me, right?
	So another problem when I hear this.
	So like, what's your ideal scenario?
	Because, I mean, it's probably not approaching you at work either.
	You're busy.
	So like, what's your ideal scenario?
	That's why I will agree that it is, in that sense, it's not really making, I'm not making it easy for men in that way.
	Maybe that's why I, I don't know, it's just, it is hard to be tastefully done.
	It is a tricky thing to do.
	It does help when you're more attractive, but there's even been attractive men who approach me and I'm still like, I'm just not in the mood to discuss or talk.
	So I can't really give a clear answer for that.
	I guess it's because kind of like how I grew up, and I feel like a lot of people grew up before this social media and like we have so many options nowadays is you dated people who you already knew.
	So it wasn't about approaching.
	It was about we have similar friends.
	We come from the same area.
	So we've met before.
	So it's not really like it's not like I'm meeting you for the first time.
	You see me.
	I'm attracted to you.
	You come up across to me and you pitch to me.
	Nine times out of ten, I'm not going to like that.
	So that's why usually it was dating people from knowing their family, growing up around them.
	I don't want this to come across like I'm attacking.
	I promise you I'm not.
	So what you're talking about right now is one of the biggest frustrations for men in dating.
	I know.
	You posed, again, another Q ⁇ A. You asked guys, what are your biggest fears approaching women?
	What were the predominant things that came back?
	I mean, it was just rejection, judgment on his appearance.
	Creepy.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's one thing I could say, though.
	And I will, if a man comes up to me, I'm never like, ew, get away from me.
	I'm not going to talk to you.
	Some girls are.
	I never said they weren't.
	I'm saying we're talking about me, though, personally.
	Even though I don't like for men to approach me, I've never once been like, ew, get away from me or been rude or of the sorts.
	If I'm in a relationship, I'll just quickly be like, oh, I'm so sorry.
	Kind of see where you're going with this.
	I am in a relationship.
	Or when I was single, I would be like, oh, I'm so sorry.
	I'm not interested in dating right now.
	Or I would just lie and say I am in a relationship.
	Make it really sweet, short.
	Nothing, I would never attack them, though.
	That's two different things.
	So you're saying that it's like nagging.
	It's annoying.
	Would you also agree, though, that it's necessary?
	I do see how they have to.
	Yeah, they have to shoot their shot.
	They have to get out there in some form.
	So I'm not saying, that's why I'm not, I have not said, don't do it.
	I haven't advocated for men to not approach women.
	I'm just saying personally, I don't like it.
	Because right now they're hearing you.
	They're hearing me, but every single, I think only Maddie is the only one who said that.
	All said they like it.
	The setting matters.
	Say like you're in a club, like Billy said, like mostly it's going to be drunk men that are approaching you.
	I don't necessarily like being in like, okay, well, I'm like 18, but like if I were in a bar or club.
	Mr. Ronners Corky undercoordinated $100.69.
	Kiko, it concerns me that you wouldn't want to invite your BF on the pod.
	Sounds like that you are scared that what you're saying is not well thought out and your BF wouldn't want to ruin his reputation for agreeing with delusion.
	I mean, regardless if he's on here or not, we're still dating.
	So like that has negates the whole thing.
	He watches the episodes.
	We still discuss it.
	That's not what I'm concerned about.
	I know we can have logical debates and discussions where we disagree, just us two.
	I don't want to bring us on this podcast where there's 10 other people sitting here in a whole panel in TTS where they could start saying things and emotions can start rising where you were, we could start feeling a type of way that we wouldn't, that we aren't necessarily causing each other, but outside factors.
	Like, I feel like that's a very yeah, maybe when we're longer in, but we're only seven months in, we already have a lot of healthy debates as it is.
	I don't think you want to throw in too much controversy into a relationship this early on.
	Brian, can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	You know how you said that like you wouldn't date a girl that goes out to clubs or bars or anything like that?
	Yeah.
	What about if she lives in like a metropolitan city area where like everything's a bar and she just like eats out by herself and like that's a bar setting?
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like I feel like context matters.
	If you're going out to a nightclub in like the middle of middle America, that is like making an effort to like go out, be seen, be noticed.
	But if you're in like New York, the bar is right next to your apartment.
	You're going to go there for food.
	You're going to go there for like a drink maybe by yourself.
	You're not necessarily putting yourself out there.
	It just has to do with the fact that you live in a metropolitan area.
	So I've never been to like a stereotypical nightclub with like sparklers and all of that shit.
	I don't know.
	But like some people would consider a club like a bar that plays music and has like a small room for dancing that fits like 25 people.
	So like where do you draw the line on that?
	There's no such thing as restaurants.
	No, but like most of the restaurants in New York City.
	If you're in New York, you're in a metropolitan city, you must, you have to go to a bar.
	Well, yeah, because most bars in New York.
	There's restaurants.
	Yeah, no, of course.
	And you mentioned going to eat.
	Have you heard of a restaurant?
	Of course, but like, I know, but in New York, like, it's always like a bar restaurant.
	It's always like the same.
	It doesn't just sit at a table.
	there a bar at chipotle in new york well i to be fair i don't eat fast food but hold on hold on How dare you defame Chipotle?
	I demand an apology.
	I apologize to Chipotle.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, I guess I'm wages and partying intensively.
	It's like partying.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm talking about this.
	If it's fucking 3 p.m., or I don't know, lunch.
	That's what I'm saying.
	and she goes and the bar happens to double as a restaurant and she's getting food.
	I don't have, that's not an issue.
	That creates conflict, right?
	Because there is a setting where people are getting drunk and there's like...
	For lunch?
	It's New York.
	I think this is fairly self-evident.
	Like, Priya hit on it.
	It's when a woman demonstrates party-like, like, consistent attention-seeking, honestly, like, sexualized mainly behavior.
	And we all know what that looks like.
	Yeah, it's very black and white.
	It's not, there's not a large gray area that that steps into.
	I disagree because I can sit at a restaurant like that's a bar restaurant outside.
	But like not engaging in partying like behavior.
	Okay, I'm in the middle of the year recently by myself when we were dating and I could not find a place to eat.
	So I walked into a place.
	I was texting you.
	I had nowhere to eat.
	And it was in Times Square and I walked in.
	The only spot was at the bar.
	So I sat at the bar.
	I ate my chicken and then I left.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	That's why I was talking about it.
	Yeah, but that's the question, guys.
	That was the question about where the boundary is drawn.
	But this is exactly what comes to my question.
	But this is what he's saying.
	It's okay if you're just going there to get food and not getting fucked up.
	I just went to get food and that was it.
	Yeah, and you would agree with me.
	Right, but how do you distinguish intention?
	Right, what if you're eating at night?
	Was what I did okay?
	What's the intent?
	I don't know what time of time.
	I'm pretty sure dinner is also very acceptable.
	People have to eat.
	But if you're going out, whether it's by yourself or with a group of people, if you're out there partying with a bunch of your girlfriends, regardless, that is partying behavior.
	It's not black and white.
	If you're going to go get food no matter what time of day it is, and you just go eat, you might have a conversation with somebody and then you leave.
	That's it.
	But the point is, is that that's still considered a bar, and men can still approach you.
	So, like, that's why I was saying.
	Partaking in the bar culture.
	To be fair, when you asked that question, I was thinking more on the lines of that because I don't party, but I do go to a bar to eat bar food.
	Right.
	And like, maybe drink a bunch of food.
	That's fine.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's totally fine.
	That's more so like the intention.
	Right.
	That was my question.
	Are you going out with your girlfriends, getting lit?
	That's what I was saying, drinking, partying.
	How frequently are you going to the bar?
	Right.
	And are you just posting up there by yourself?
	How frequently are men approaching you there?
	How are you dressed when you go there?
	Like, these are things again, it's sexualizing yourself.
	And to quote, what is it, LDG?
	Like, to quote him, I don't want to say I saw it.
	Marketing yourself.
	How are you marketing yourself?
	That's really it.
	By the way, quick note: next person.
	There's a banana here.
	The next TTS, say a name, they have to eat the banana.
	Okay.
	I'm severely allergic to bananas.
	Come on.
	I swear to God.
	Oh.
	I literally have my EpiPen in my purse right now.
	I'm allergic to a lot of people.
	So you're prepared to eat the if you all want to take me to cottage, Lynn.
	No, I will literally.
	Actually, that would be pretty good content.
	So if they say your name.
	Oh my gosh.
	They're trying.
	That's the main event.
	Kiko versus banana.
	There you go.
	The three guests of the banana.
	Wait, do you have an EpiPen?
	Yeah, my personality.
	Where do you put it?
	In my thigh.
	Here, let's do this.
	Oh, my gosh.
	John.
	Can you go get it from your purse and just put it on the table?
	Just for liability purposes.
	Actually, I might not be able to.
	What?
	EpiPen yourself?
	Can I just say the whole chat has thought you were uncomfortably rubbing my shoulder the whole time?
	His arm, his arm is not touching me.
	It's on the chair.
	I just want to clear that up.
	It's been being said for the past three hours.
	They're also boyfriend and girlfriend.
	Yeah, so.
	Is that your EpiPen?
	Yes.
	It does look weird.
	Wow, she literally rubbed her pass.
	That's 24/7.
	Does it have yellow and light?
	Honestly, if I write relationships, you can only use the EpiPen after a subsequent TTS.
	So we have to see you basically die.
	Asphyxiate?
	Basically, die.
	Yes.
	Until the next one comes out.
	Anything for the content.
	That is the new game board, by the way.
	Oh, my God.
	Let's pull up to Twitch, Twitch.
	And then we'll pull up Kiko's.
	Oh.
	Raven DT donated $100.
	We are discussing boundaries in relationships, not drafting federal legislation.
	Thank you.
	If you are dressed for a nightclub and going out with to dance and show off your body in a party type environment where alcohol is consumed in mass quantities, that's bad.
	Yeah, and we have those kinds.
	We have those here in Santa Barbara.
	Like a lot of places that are restaurants during the day, they're bars at night.
	So like, I don't know if that's where you work.
	It's kind of like that.
	It used to be like that.
	We closed our kitchen, but like Foxy was a little bit more than a hundred.
	But you know where I used to work.
	Yeah, Santa Barbara.
	It's very common here on, say, a lot of places do it with a big money scheme.
	So we have that here too.
	So it's like.
	I have a question for you guys.
	Like, okay, so this.
	Becky.
	Lisa, okay.
	So like Saturday, for example, or Friday, I think it was Friday or Saturday, whatever.
	I Martin donated $100.
	Brian, have a great idea for live stream.
	I'll fly in on the jet.
	Pick you, Priya, and your girl up.
	Fly anywhere you'll want in the US to eat.
	Record everything.
	You'll have to wear your pants.
	They won't let you in the restaurant otherwise.
	Keep co-effing up.
	But if they said Brian first, didn't they?
	Yeah, that's good.
	But no, I mean, obviously, it's a Jessica Kiko.
	It's not Jessica.
	It's killing me.
	Wait, like, how bad would it be though?
	My throat will close in about like, you have maybe like a minute and 30 seconds to sex my thigh.
	That six million would be 12 million.
	Is that good concept?
	We're going to be ad revenue.
	If I have dude, what about the TTS?
	Kiko.
	Question.
	If I peeled the banana and I just like chucked it at you and it hit you in like the face, huh?
	Would you have an allergic reaction from that or do you have to like consume?
	I would never do that.
	That is a very good question because skin contact.
	Like I'm allergic to a lot of things, but the reason why I'm allergic to bananas is like an oral pollen allergy.
	So I'm allergic to different fruits and foods depending on the season due to the pollen that they're surrounded by.
	So I don't know.
	It might give me like hives or something actually if it was since I'm allergic to the pollen content itself.
	I don't know.
	I've only had these allergies for like four years.
	It's been terrible.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Anyways, back to my question.
	Yeah, what was your question?
	It's about the topic we had beforehand.
	So on Friday night, I had a day off, night off from work.
	So me and my boyfriend wanted to go out and get some drinks, dancing, whatever.
	It's what we enjoy to do.
	Technically, kind of how we met.
	Martin donated $100.
	Yeah, thank you, Martin.
	30 seconds is a lifetime.
	Eat up.
	I'm sure you'll be fine.
	You have a med tech on the panel.
	Air Force, by the way.
	Maybe if you would have followed the directions in the first place and not said Brian's name first and said mine, we could have.
	Technicality.
	Anyways.
	So we were going to get dressed up.
	We're going to go out on Friday night.
	I don't know if I've ever said it before, but my boyfriend has an identical twin brother that's dating my best friend.
	He's out of town.
	He was out of town for the moment.
	She came up.
	We also are across the street neighbors.
	So my best friend, I came over when we were getting ready after work and she was like, oh, I kind of want to go out too.
	Like, I'm bored.
	I have nothing to do because her boyfriend's at their parents' house.
	She got dressed up with us.
	My boyfriend wasn't feeling that good anymore.
	His stomach was starting to hurt.
	So he was saying, he was like, honestly, I only really want to go since Devana wants to go now.
	Do you guys just want to go?
	He was going to allow me to go to technically bars, clubs with my friend.
	As far as what I was wearing, I was technically, I think, wearing like a different version of this bodysuit, basically same jeans like this and some like kitten heels.
	Would that do you guys see that as a huge problem if I were to do something like that?
	He did end up going.
	We all end up going together, by the way, for point.
	Martin donated $100.
	Kiko, no one cares about your story.
	Tell us about yourself, Priya.
	By the way, Markavius, yeah, I don't think we're going to press Kiko too much on the banana thing.
	So if you want to.
	I did not sign a waiver for that.
	If so.
	Yeah, there's some liability there, probably.
	If you want to have someone else do it, I suppose.
	Happy bandit is expired.
	He wants you to speak about yourself, Priya.
	Do you want to?
	Any safaris planned?
	Oh.
	Mamdev donated $100.
	Build contest cute Cuban eat banana to Alabama What Dem marksman scores?
	Wait, what?
	What are your marksman scores?
	I guess shooting guns.
	I almost made marksman.
	I was off by like one or so.
	Maybe two.
	Noise.
	No.
	Cuban?
	Is that you?
	You're Puerto Rican.
	I'm Puerto Rican, yeah.
	I believe he's talking about you, though.
	So you're supposed to eat it.
	It looks a little at the bottom and doesn't look great.
	So I guess just the top.
	That's what she said.
	Great.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Mark Cuavius.
	Wait, was that?
	Who said that?
	Who?
	Why a banana?
	Think about it.
	I know, I know that, but really?
	Really?
	What do you mean?
	Same reason why they don't want our hair to cover our face.
	You're not in favor of the banana?
	Billy, look, Billy doesn't like the banana.
	She's not amused.
	I don't know if you're there.
	I've got a lot of bananas.
	I missed you.
	Honestly, me too.
	I'm like content right now.
	Honestly, I wasn't.
	I think you should probably.
	Okay.
	So, again, this might be an unpopular opinion amongst what else.
	And I don't say radical to be offensive.
	I mean radical in the literal sense of being like very radical in your beliefs, right?
	Very strict, very principled.
	I, the situation that you just laid out, like, first of all, that's his preference.
	Yeah.
	That's his boundary.
	He has a level of trust with you.
	And he also probably recognizes that you wanted him to come out.
	But now it was more about, okay, well, now she wants to go out.
	I don't want her to have to go out.
	I don't want to say no because then she's going to say no, right?
	Yeah.
	So if he wants to do that and he wants to allow you to do that, that's fine.
	That's his prerogative.
	Some guys might feel very uncomfortable with that.
	Would you be uncomfortable with that?
	Like the exact same scenario.
	Like say she was getting ready, she already has her makeup hair, everything done, and then last minute you're like, I don't think I really want to go anymore, but she still has her friends.
	In particular, absolutely not.
	Because if she, because every time that she has either been invited to go out and do something with our friends in Florida, she basically looks at me and says, like, are you okay with me going out?
	But where have I gone out?
	Like, no, just occasionally you'll go to like Beach Drive or something like that.
	Like, very rarely.
	Like, it's extremely rare.
	That's the point.
	But, like, but this is.
	I went to a self-defense class.
	That was the last time.
	Yeah, that was the last time she went out and did something without me with like her girlfriend.
	She went and did a self-defense class.
	But I don't know.
	I think that that's an it's like an incredibly nuanced like thing where like would it be an uncomfortable situation as a guy?
	It's not the most comfortable situation because you're not there to keep your keep an eye on your girl who you know men are going to be objectifying, probably pursuing, probably chasing.
	That makes it uncomfortable.
	But at a certain point, like, you got to trust your girl to say no.
	That's.
	And you can't control that in like everyday situations.
	That's more what I was getting at because I feel like that's healthy, you know, to have that.
	Like, you know, it's not so black and white all the time.
	Because honestly, if I would have come to him, like, I want to go out with Devona Friday by myself without you, he would have been like, you're losing your life.
	It's also, it's also pattern recognition.
	Like, have you done it one time?
	And what was the timing of it like?
	Like, did we just have a fight?
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, girls will weaponize this stuff.
	That's one of the big things.
	It's pattern recognition.
	So, like, if she gets invited out by somebody and it's just completely random, I'm going to be like, Yeah, of course you can go out.
	Like, I know where you're going.
	It's very, very close.
	I know the people.
	That's fine.
	But if it's like, okay, you've asked this week.
	Okay, now the next week comes, you're asking again.
	Okay, now it's been three weeks in a row after months and months and months of you never wanting to go.
	That's a sign that something's going on.
	Now it's pattern recognition.
	It's like, hey, can we talk about this?
	Like, why do you want to go out again?
	Like, that's what guys need to get better at.
	Like, it's not necessarily like the boundary is good.
	The concept, the concept and the principle of women not going out and marketing themselves at a club is a good one for women to follow and it's a good one for men to have in the back of their mind.
	But what I just talked about, the pattern recognition, that is an incredibly important, nuanced thing to make sure that the relationship is healthy and the girl, again, doesn't feel like she's being anxiously controlled.
	Yeah, that's true.
	I think, yeah, it's kind of like a philosophy we have that we've said before.
	We haven't really, it hasn't come up yet because honestly, I don't, we don't really do things too much apart from each other.
	But it's kind of like we always want the invitation to be there.
	So like if he wants to go out that weekend with his boyfriend, like his guy friends or whatever, if he's like, hey, I'm thinking about going out, you want to come with us?
	If I don't want to go, go for it.
	But for you to come to me and be like, oh, we're all doing this, just guys, no one else.
	That's another big thing.
	You wanted him to go with you originally, and then the plan changed.
	So that's why he was like, he knew my goal was.
	I wanted to be out there with him tonight.
	That was the main goal.
	So it's like the same thing.
	If I wanted to have a girls' weekend per se, it's more so is like, if he wanted to come, could he come?
	Yeah, that's right.
	If he can, then he, yes.
	But if I'm trying to do something, if either of us are trying to do something where the other is not allowed per gender or reasons, yeah, that's not cool.
	Like, why?
	What's up, Brett?
	Yep.
	Can you break?
	I think this is where Madison has to take over as host.
	What?
	Oh, I didn't even finish my thought earlier about like, what were we talking about?
	Men approaching.
	I'm not sure you're at bar.
	I'm not sure.
	You spoke.
	You were like, oh my God, you spoke?
	I didn't even hear you over here.
	I'm just like, so out of it right now.
	But I'm not saying like I don't like when men approach me in general.
	Yeah, in a club bar setting, I wouldn't want a drunk man to approach me.
	That's like a little different.
	But the way my current boyfriend and I met, he approached me like on the beach.
	I thought that was nice.
	Like I'm not just saying that I don't necessarily like when men approach me because I know that's what they have to do in order to find a solid girl.
	How do you guys feel about approaching men?
	I don't mind it.
	I've done it.
	I don't have too much of a problem with it.
	It's not something that I often actively do.
	But if an opportunity presented itself and I felt the urge to, I'm not opposed.
	But it's not my first choice.
	I always want to, but way too scared, like way too intimidated to ever go up to a man and be like, hey, I'm interested in you.
	Like I'll.
	Afraid of rejection?
	Because yes.
	That's just exactly what some men are afraid of.
	Yeah, no, I know.
	And the men in my DMs are consistently afraid of rejection.
	They're like, how do we avoid rejection?
	I'm like, you don't.
	You face it, you deal with it, you move forward.
	But then I have sort of a double standard for myself as I would be afraid to approach a man because of rejection.
	So there is a double standard there.
	Alabama, you were going to say something.
	Yes.
	So I feel like in certain situations, yeah, like, you know, there are some outliers, but personally, I feel like if a man thought I was attractive or liked me, he would come to me.
	You know, it wouldn't have to be like this tension.
	Like, I would have to go to him.
	You know, if he likes what he sees, he's going to.
	It's this whole thing about wanting to be secure that he really wants me and he's not just, we're not just together because I initiated.
	Yeah.
	You were the only option.
	I just have to defend myself really quick.
	Billy objected to my use of the banana prop.
	I would just like to point out I have other fruit too.
	These are nectarines, Billy, and I have some blueberries in there too.
	And in the fridge, I have low quats.
	What's that?
	What?
	Thanks, Brian.
	Do you want, Billy, you want a nectarine?
	Can I have a nectarine?
	These are donut nectarines.
	They're very special.
	Can I win too?
	Wait.
	Okay, I'm not going to feed everyone at the.
	I just had to defend myself because there was accusations that I specifically picked a banana because of the phallic nature.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Four Diana's health.
	Brian, you couldn't answer my offer for the flights.
	Oh, will you not give up those sweatpants for one day?
	And Plea, it's a double date because after you meet me, I'll need Brian to protect me from your advances.
	It's most likely I'll consent on the first date.
	So your original message was, great idea for a live stream.
	I'll fly in on the jet, pick you, Priya, and your girl up.
	Fly anywhere y'all want in the U.S. to eat.
	Anywhere?
	Anywhere?
	Record everything.
	You'll have to wear real pants.
	They won't let you in the restaurant otherwise.
	What if it's like a White Castle?
	What if I want to go to the White Castle?
	You're going to go to White Castle, Brian.
	I'm not going to White Castle, Brian.
	Listen.
	Okay, Brian.
	Where was the last date you took a girl?
	The last date I took a girl on?
	Yeah.
	And when?
	Just where?
	Just where.
	Where?
	Yeah.
	Bro, Billy, you're coming for me tonight.
	Do it.
	Fuck.
	Answer.
	The last date I took a girl on.
	Oh my god.
	In-n-out.
	And we all tagged along.
	Wait, what?
	Well, that doesn't really count.
	It doesn't really count.
	It's like a walk in the middle of the day.
	You just imagine.
	I'm trying to think the last date.
	Like going out to a restaurant.
	The last date.
	Where did it take cost?
	I don't know.
	It's been that long.
	Let's just say.
	I can't recall the last date you went on.
	Let's just say I'm a discreet individual.
	When it comes to my.
	Does that mean you're dating someone?
	So that either means two things.
	Either you are, it goes against everything that you usually say, so you're scared to say it because you're like, oh, I won't pay on a first date.
	I don't go these fancy dinners.
	I mean, like, for example, like, I've brought people like group to the In-N-Out after the show.
	That is not a treaty.
	So I'll treat.
	Like, I like to treat.
	That's like taking kids.
	But what I'm trying to say is I treat.
	Right, Madison?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Brian buys me in and out.
	Yeah, he takes a lot of people.
	Oh, yeah, he bought all of us in N-L.
	I'll treat that one on the ground.
	Of course.
	That's a business experience.
	But what's the question?
	Where is the last date?
	When was the last idea of a date?
	Yeah, when's the last idea on a date?
	How do you have?
	Let's start there.
	So I'm trying to think, though, like the actual date.
	Oh, it's been years.
	No, I'm just like, because the way I move.
	How do you date, Brian?
	Has been a lot of people.
	How do you do five years?
	Which way is it?
	I'm trying to think like that last proper date where I met someone like out in public.
	You're just pumping and dumping.
	wasn't and i wasn't just like come over i'm trying to think the last time i so you're a pumper and No, no, no.
	I don't pump and dump.
	No pump and dump.
	There's pumping.
	There's pumping.
	No dumping.
	No chilling.
	No dumping.
	I don't pump and dump.
	So you pump and you just keep them along.
	I do multiple pumps before you dump them.
	Okay.
	There's multiple pumps.
	Oh, I remember.
	I watched it.
	You like pump for a leaf.
	Multiple four times, and then you don't.
	Did you see this on his OnlyFans?
	I like it.
	No, I saw this in the last episode.
	I like continuity.
	I don't like to hook up one time, have sex one time.
	No, at least three.
	At least three.
	Okay.
	You've gotten your fill.
	But I'm kidding.
	I kid.
	I want to listen.
	I want to continue seeing this girl, right?
	But I'm trying to think like that.
	Oh, see the girl right now.
	Huh?
	You've a girl right now.
	Well, hold on.
	Who knows what the situation is?
	I like to keep things a little vague to protect the innocent.
	Oh, you keep it.
	Oh, so you make it all.
	That's right.
	But I'm trying to think the actual last date.
	I, shit, man.
	It's been greater or less enthodiar, right?
	Whoa, is it pathetic?
	I'm sure.
	Have you gone on a date in your 30s?
	No, I've been on dates.
	In your 30s.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Of course.
	Oh, my God.
	Wait, I'm telling you something gritty here.
	Okay, I think the most recent one.
	You guys realize I spent probably over 20 to 30 years.
	But this is my son.
	I know nothing about him.
	This specific date was not my typical MO, though.
	So I can tell you what I did.
	Basically, met for a girl, and we had tea.
	That's cute.
	We just got Starbucks, you know.
	Why was that so hard in this spit out?
	Anyone was like, that's not.
	That used to not be my typical MO.
	Like, I used to be more like, oh, let's meet at like a lounge.
	Let's maybe grab a glass of wine or whatever.
	I'm not a big drinker, but maybe I'd have a glass of wine.
	I'm so for a first drink date.
	What's that?
	You're so for or you're angry?
	I'm so for it.
	Yes.
	A lot of women are against it.
	But you're so for wine.
	What are you doing?
	I'm so for like just getting a drink after the first date.
	A lot of women are against it, and they think it's like elaborate thing.
	You're atypical.
	What's that?
	You are.
	I don't like being approached.
	Like, most women definitely like being approached.
	They might say it's a little bit annoying sometimes, but like they definitely like being approached.
	Most women are like, I hate when he just takes me out for drinks.
	He's just trying to get a drink.
	We don't know each other.
	He's just trying to get me drunk.
	He's just trying to get some.
	That is the person.
	See, most women don't want the vibe to be loose.
	Most women want to have their head screwed right on straight.
	I'm like, and they want to be able to value it.
	We haven't met before.
	First of all, we haven't met ever, so we do this big old long date.
	What if we're not feeling it?
	If it's like a coffee or a drink, we can make it short or longer.
	You're not stuck in this big old thing.
	I think it's a great idea.
	Oh, I'm not saying it's a bad idea.
	What I'm saying is most women.
	I don't think I would.
	No, like most women would rather not be intoxicated on a first date.
	That's what I'm doing.
	It's so surfadonated $99.
	We have entered into a world of loose morals and easy sex, especially with Instagram and only vans.
	No true value relationships anymore.
	Between that and skewed family law in one sex's favor, why would men bother seeking to find a wife these days?
	Based?
	Thank you.
	Yo, Esto.
	Surfer.
	Thank you very much, man, for the TTS.
	I mean, but when it comes to the drinking date, one drink max.
	Like, it's more.
	Definitely, you don't want to fucking go and get tanked fucked up.
	Like one drink for either.
	I wouldn't say two is a good number.
	No, just one.
	One's a waste of time.
	One drink.
	One's a waste.
	One's a waste of a drink, I feel like.
	You might as well get two.
	Well, I'm a lightweight, so I'm not sure.
	You know what it matters?
	It's a waste of your time, but it is not a waste of his money.
	No, that's still not my point.
	I'm saying neither.
	I'm not talking about either.
	I was making a joke.
	I'm not sure if I can do it.
	You'd rather have, like, if I'm going to drink one drink, I might as well drink two so I can get a buzz going, is what I was kidding towards.
	As long as you're buying the second one.
	I mean, you're still going to be sober.
	I mean, to me personally, I've paid for numerous dates.
	That's not a problem to me.
	I just do think it does say something on the first occasion.
	I feel like the first drink, right, is kind of like a given that he's going to buy it.
	The second drink alerts to me if you're feeling me or not.
	Or like if he doesn't buy the second drink, that shows me that he's not interested anymore.
	If he buys a second drink, that shows me that he's interested in prolonging our conversation and time together.
	I don't know, man.
	And theoretically, what if he's not going to be able to do that?
	Just a question.
	If he couldn't afford it, I would hope that he didn't pick a place that if he knew I wanted to order more than one thing, he was going to be in trouble.
	But Billy, I will tell you my previous MO.
	Okay, here's what you do.
	First off, you go to like a nice kind of a lounge place that could double as a restaurant, whatever.
	No loud bars, no loud clubs, but like a lounge, maybe kind of a like the Ritz.
	You go to the Ritz.
	That's nice.
	That's a nice one.
	Fancy.
	Yeah, and get this.
	I show up to the Ritz in a fucking flannel.
	That's right.
	Wearing sweatpants.
	That's right.
	Show up to the Ritz.
	No, you did not.
	I swear to fucking God.
	I believe it.
	No.
	I swear to God.
	Chase would slap me if I said that right.
	Good.
	No, no, no.
	Because I'm swearing to God thing.
	It's also good.
	Okay.
	No.
	I have gone on multiple dates at the Ritz.
	The Ritz.
	Wearing sweatpants and a flannel.
	What's up?
	It just looks like a tacky.
	It's right on the beach.
	It's right on the beach.
	It's casual.
	It's casual.
	People are walking around the lobby in flip-flops and shorts and a t-shirt.
	It's not good.
	It's not even about the Ritz.
	It's just about it's a first name.
	So I'm supposed to sit here and she's like, What if I showed up in sweatpants?
	What if the girl showed up?
	He was, bro, proposal.
	Where's the woman?
	Check this shit out.
	Boom, this is coming out.
	Oh, and that's good.
	Honestly, that's a good thing, though.
	That means you'll find another person that will go to bed.
	I was listening to the Drake song.
	Because I wouldn't be mortified.
	So I'm sorry.
	I'm mortified.
	I would just be so embarrassed.
	Like, why are you just like that?
	What are you, Ted?
	What's happening?
	You're from middle school.
	The nectarine has imbued me with fucking energy and power.
	It has three pieces of nectarine.
	Blood sugar was just hanging on pipes, bro.
	Okay, listen, look, look, look, look.
	You could just.
	Drake.
	Oh, God.
	Best I ever had.
	Oh, my God.
	Sweatpants, hair tied, showed them with no makeup on.
	That's when you're the prettiest.
	I hope you don't take it wrong.
	That's fine, but you shouldn't be showing up to that at a formal event.
	Like, that's, you look the best, but would she look her best if we were at a wedding and she shows up like that?
	I don't know.
	Like, there's time and place.
	Brian, would you be attracted to her if she was walking on the street with sweatpants, her hair tied up, no makeup on?
	Would I be attracted to her?
	Like, would you be like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go after her.
	How pretty is that?
	Brian's tight.
	Yeah, I don't think.
	I don't think it matters to guys as much.
	I really don't.
	You put together.
	They say it doesn't matter to them, but it does, because that's a big thing I've even seen on, like, Am I the Asshole Reddit, where it's like the woman stops putting effort into her appearance.
	And as they have kids, not even just like about gaining weight, but it's like, oh, she doesn't do her hair.
	She's not getting dressed.
	She's a stay-at-home mom and just stays in her sweatpants and t-shirt all day.
	And men start to really hate that a lot of the time.
	Obviously, not probably a man like Brian who shows up to the Ritz and sweatpants, but a lot of men are fine.
	They just love the natural bare face, but they also wouldn't love a woman who doesn't take care of herself.
	Obviously, I don't want a woman who's like disheveled.
	Is that how you say disheveled?
	Disheveled?
	I don't want a woman who's disheveled.
	Her hygiene's got to be good.
	Well, I would consider a woman disheveled if she shows up to a date at the Ritz Carlton in sweatpants.
	That's a disheveled woman, in my opinion.
	I would agree with that on your side.
	Fair enough, but like you're cornered, Brian.
	Am I cornered?
	She goes a Redditor.
	I love a good red page.
	I do spend a lot of time on Reddit sometimes.
	Not Discord, though.
	Okay.
	What were we talking about?
	Ritz, sweatpants.
	I think there's different MO.
	Dating M.O.
	Oh, the dating MO.
	Okay, look, you show up, like, obviously dressed to the nines in a flannel and sweatpants.
	And you have the most impeccable timing.
	I always have to get up with your kid.
	Wait, what?
	Water breaker.
	I'm listening.
	Are you challenged?
	Is this a challenging conversation, Billy?
	I'm listening.
	Do you can't handle the flannel ritz combination?
	Okay.
	Oh, Priya's going too.
	All right, peace out, Priya.
	So, okay.
	You show up on time.
	Meet me there at seven.
	Boom.
	You know, she's going to be late.
	So here's what you do.
	Here's the game plan, right?
	You tell the waiter, this is the gangster move.
	You tell the waiter or whatever, by the way, because you've already arrived early.
	You already asked for a drink.
	Give me some, give me a Merlot.
	Whatever the fuck you want to drink, whatever.
	Give me a Merlot, sir.
	Politely, please.
	Listen, Steve, the waiter.
	Can you?
	I want you to bring separate checks at the end.
	Boom, that's it.
	And then you pay, she orders whatever she wants.
	Why would you say that?
	She's like, that's so terrible.
	No, that's not terrible.
	No.
	She orders what she wants.
	You order what you want.
	I mean, it's okay to go half because if you know, right?
	Like, if you're just like, hey, like, I'm paying for mine or you're paying for yours, right?
	No, that's just like that's my MO on the date.
	Yeah, but then when you can find out a woman's dream, what if she didn't have any money?
	Like, then what?
	What if she showed up and just assumed you were going to pay?
	$10 drink.
	I mean, she's chilling.
	Well, she's just broke and she just showed up.
	She's one of those people that showed up for the first time.
	Like Chris Brown, I don't date broke.
	I'm not saying I'm not saying your philosophy is wrong.
	There's nothing philosophically wrong with doing that.
	But based off the things that you say you want in a woman, I don't think you're going to find the woman you want by doing things like that.
	You'd be surprised.
	Really, that's why, are you in a nice, happy relationship right now?
	Listen, I can't, I can't, whoa, hold on.
	You put all of our lives on blast, but you want to tell us if you're in a relationship on a dating podcast?
	No, but if you wanted a woman who was more dominant, headstrong, like making decisions, maybe more masculine, you will say that might work with her.
	She might love that and love to split the bill.
	But the woman that you talk about you want a lot of the times, I think most women will see that and not like it.
	Not because you're a gold digger, but you talk about traditional women.
	I mean, on a first date, if I'm getting courted on this date, I would at very at least expect you to pay for that one.
	I'm not saying for the paying for everything in the rest of eternity, but I don't think you're going to find your trad wife by well.
	Here's the thing, right?
	Here's a thing.
	Can you girls stop gossiping back there?
	Okay.
	It's a fair point.
	Fair point, right?
	Oh, Brian, you go on about wanting this and that, but you don't even want to pay for the first date.
	So it's a fair argument.
	However, here's the thing, right?
	is given the current landscape, I believe that you don't get the, you don't get that sort of treatment until you are committed to me.
	Now, I would say 99% of women are not prepared to, let's not say commit, but are like fully single going in to a first date.
	They're either on a dating app, they've got 10s, 10, 10, 20, 30, 40 options that they're entertaining.
	Maybe they're sleeping with one, two, three other guys.
	So my whole thing is you don't get girlfriend treatment until you are said, you are my girlfriend.
	But then when I on a previous podcast said that men shouldn't get husband treatment until they make me a wife, you said, well, then how will you ever get to that stage?
	So how will she ever get to that stage if you're showing her things that she doesn't like?
	Yeah, when I jump when the question is.
	Well, most, but.
	You're saying that she doesn't get girlfriend treatment until she becomes a girlfriend.
	Correct.
	I said that men shouldn't get husband or wifey, whatever, husband treatment until there's a ring on my finger.
	And you said, well, you'll never get to that point unless you start making a business.
	What is wifey treatment to you?
	What is that?
	I mean, I didn't really.
	To me personally, I mean, I guess you will say like the cooking, cleaning, laundry, or whatever that sense.
	I don't really need a ring to do those things.
	But I guess the differentiation I'd make here is if you want a trad wife woman who's a homemaker, the traditional viewpoint, you're probably not going to get that by making her pay for her first date is what I'm saying.
	So that's why I understand not to do that.
	I'm cool with 50-50.
	Fuck it.
	That's not bad.
	I can do that.
	But here, okay, let me add a bit of nuance.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	Let me add a bit of nuance, I guess, to this.
	I don't think I'm prepared.
	I'm not going to provide off-rip for a girl.
	I'm not saying you should.
	We're talking about paying for like a $10 drink or whatever.
	I'm not saying that you take her on a date and then the next week you're paying her rent.
	I mean, that's not what.
	So like, what happens if, say, she wanted to buy you a drink, right, the first time and then like she wants to go out a second time.
	So she's like, you know what, I'll get you this time.
	How about you pay next time?
	Would that be okay?
	What's that?
	Like if she paid the first time and wanted to go on a second date, would you pay for a second date?
	I also think the provider.
	It's not great, but it's not bad.
	It's okay.
	Financial provision in an era where women can financially provide for themselves is a massive, massive step.
	Like you can still give a girl the wifey, you can give the girl the husband treatment everything outside of the money, right?
	You can still give him the wifey treatment, everything outside of taking the provision.
	Like there are, I think we can both agree, like there's massive things to a relationship to masculinity and femininity outside of the provision of resources.
	It's a huge element.
	And I do think that there is something to a man being able to, and this is one of the things I talk about a lot.
	I say men need to figure out how to showcase the characteristics that get them to buy into the fact that you can be a provider.
	So to Brian's point, if you're able to provide for yourself, but you're not ready to commit to him, if we can just throw provision to the side and then focus on the other aspects of the audition, let's say, we should be able to do that in this particular era, especially where women are talking about how they're equal, right?
	Especially on that particular front.
	I think she was saying more so if I don't know, I don't know who you would prefer, like a traditional wife versus, you know, a more worldly wife.
	I don't know.
	But from liberal.
	Liberal, yeah, there we go.
	But from the traditional standpoint, we're tending to look for guys who would be willing to pay for that.
	So I feel like what you were saying is that if you're not willing to pay for the first dates, then you're probably not going to attract the women that you desire for.
	I actually disagree.
	I think my unwillingness, now, granted, and I've said this many a times because this topic comes up frequently.
	This loses me women.
	Or, well, you know, perhaps it does, but it'll certainly lose other men women if they don't pay for the first date.
	So I don't recommend, this isn't like some dating coach advice, and I don't build myself as a dating coach.
	I don't recommend men because it's not going to do you any positives to not pay.
	It's either, if you pay for the date, it's either neutral or positive.
	Whereas if you don't pay for the date, it's either, it's never positive.
	It's either neutral or negative.
	So gentlemen, if you're watching, don't do this.
	I'm also, I wear fucking sweatpants and flannels too, first date.
	So, you know, take that into consideration.
	But I would actually argue that of the women that still want to date me after I am not prepared to pay for them, they're actually really, really into me.
	So, or they might be into, well, not necessarily, but it's a screening mechanism whereby the girls that aren't cool with me not paying, because a lot of women will break all these rules.
	Like, if a you do you think a girl, like if she meets her celebrity crush or whatever, granted, he may very well have the resources to provide for her exceptionally.
	Do you think like she needs her celebrity crush to like be paying for all this shit?
	No.
	I think Andrew Tate often says, and I don't like that he uses Chris Brown as the example, but he's like, do you think a girl cares if, do you think she's going to expect Chris Brown to pay for her?
	Now, I don't think Chris Brown is a great example because of his previous DVU situation with fucking Rihanna.
	So I think you can replace Chris Brown with someone, I don't know, who's like a dude that chicks fucking fawn over.
	Hernsworth brother, Ryan Reynolds.
	Yeah, like, I think a lot of women, if their ideal man was like, yeah, I don't really want to pay for you.
	I'll pay for myself.
	Like, they're going to be like, they're going to tolerate that sort of thing.
	They're going to change their rules.
	Yeah, they're going to break their rules of the guy needs to pay the first, excuse me, pay for the first date.
	I just think it's a screening mechanism because.
	They're not disregarding, though, because they really like this guy.
	It's because he's rich and famous, which is two different things.
	It's not looking for love.
	It's looking for a leg up in the world somehow.
	If I was on a date with a man who was obvious, it wasn't like a hidden thing.
	He was known that he was either rich and successful and he didn't pay for me, I would think that they're a loser.
	I would think that they're a bum.
	It's like that's, I would think either it's a facade that they're putting on and they truly can't afford, even though it is a great money-saving tactic to keep your expenses low.
	But I know it would change it for me.
	I would, honestly, they would not no longer be my celebrity crush.
	I would have been like, wow, this guy is a real loser.
	Sorry.
	I mean, you're rich and you can't even pay for my toy army.
	It's about the principle.
	And honestly, like a woman who requires romance just really doesn't like you that much.
	And when I say romance, I mean like romance is a very important thing.
	I mean getting flowers, paying for the first date, doing these intricate fucking.
	Until you keep the love alive.
	Until you keep it sparky.
	Is that what it requires for you?
	I mean, I love receiving flowers.
	The fact that I know that you were out about and thought of me to get me some flowers and bring them home to me.
	I have a question for you, Kiko.
	Why do you support a patriarchal tradition?
	I'm a very traditional woman in a lot of sense.
	But isn't that supporting the patriarchy?
	Are we saying that the patriarchy is kind of based?
	I do support some ways.
	I don't ever deny it.
	Huh?
	I don't agree.
	That's fine.
	I think that people, especially now with how high divorce rates and et cetera, are, I think people forget that relationships that are a lifelong commitment take a lot of effort.
	And you need to do things throughout your life to continue to keep that spark alive and to wake up every day and continue to choose to love that person.
	I mean, if all she's asking for you is to buy her some flowers every once in a while.
	She's not asking for a trip to Cabo or the Bahama or something.
	I mean, it's not that crazy to expect some flowers every couple of days.
	Oh, no, I kind of prefer when the girl is more simping on me than I'm simping on her.
	That sounds like an insecurity issue.
	It's not an insecurity.
	But what?
	Because you need to be able to do that.
	It's an insecurity for me as a male to have it, but this is almost, this is the standard that the vast majority of women want.
	A lot of women are insecure.
	That's a question.
	Oh.
	Yes, a lot of women are severely insecure.
	I've never said that.
	Because women want men to pay on first dates, it makes them insecure.
	Because they want men to chase them.
	You were talking about how you want the woman to simp off of you.
	Yes, woman who want to have a bunch of men chasing her and simping her all that tension are insecure.
	They feel they need the attention to remind them of who they are because they don't feel secure with themselves.
	So I would just like to do that.
	Do you cook for your boyfriend?
	Huh?
	Do you cook for your boyfriend?
	I would cook.
	I say I cook maybe.
	You guys live together, right?
	I cook maybe nine.
	He cooks like, he cooked breakfast yesterday.
	I think I actually cooked breakfast.
	You guys split the rent?
	Yeah.
	You do.
	We're both working.
	We're both new into our careers.
	We're young.
	I don't expect him at 24 years old to be paying for my livelihood.
	Okay.
	So it's just, what, the first date?
	It's just like this arbitrary thing from a holdover from days past where men would pay for first aids, but then you don't want him to pay for your rent and shit?
	I don't expect, no, it's because it's two different things.
	That's why I'm saying, like, to me, it's a part of the courting, showing your love, like showing how you are interested in me.
	And I don't know.
	I think it's a bigger impression if a woman pays for the first date.
	Like that, to me, that.
	But like we also see in America, like a lot of our divorce rates come from the woman being the breadwinner and it not working out.
	She has to be the breadwinner.
	If I have to pay for the first date, I would hope I'm making more money.
	It doesn't.
	I'm not arguing that the woman, I mean, it's fucking gangster if she does, but I'm just saying I pay for my bill, she pays for hers.
	That seems to be the most equitable thing you can do.
	What do you think about this?
	Would you feel emasculated if a woman paid for the bill?
	I've had girls pay for bills before, and usually it's like to let me know how thoroughly they liked the date.
	This happened very rarely, but they've done it like just to be like, I'm going to buy this, like, because I just wanted to let you know that I had a really, really, really great time.
	I don't want you to feel like you have to buy this for me.
	It's great.
	It's extremely rare.
	The comment that I would say, and kind of combining what you're saying with what you stated earlier, in the modern dating world, where dates happen way more frequently, you have to put yourself in the position of a man who is now going on way more dates.
	Okay?
	It's not like you stumble upon a girl who now you finally have an opportunity to maybe go on a date with.
	Now it's in your pocket, you could get a date this week and the week after and the week after and the week after.
	And to Brian's point, you can be as selective as you want talking to these girls.
	It could be your dream girl on paper.
	You go on the date.
	You may think it went well.
	I'm going to pay because obviously there's going to be a second date.
	And then she ghosts.
	It doesn't work out.
	Or you say something.
	So as a man in the modern dating world, where not only women can afford to now cover their own bills, it's one thing when in times past, they couldn't afford to do so.
	So men would do it as a courtesy, part of the chivalry concept earlier, right?
	But now you can afford to do it and dates are happening more frequently.
	So men are less inclined to be willing to put money on the line, knowing that they're going to have to continue to put money on the line moving forward with more and more dates.
	I see that.
	But even like she said, or you said people have paid for the woman who has paid for the date to show how much that they liked it.
	Or I've seen the also flip side where women will say, I will decide to pay for my share of the date to show that I'm not interested anymore and to not make them pay.
	So that's why I could see it could be a fine line.
	And then, oh, what was the other thing you said?
	What was my other point?
	Toy lost my train of thought.
	What was the other thing you said?
	Yeah, it's like gone.
	It's so gone.
	I'll just jump in here.
	Don't buy a girl dinner when she's going to have some other dude.
	Holy.
	What?
	Brandon Mels donates you.
	$1,000.
	Oh.
	How about we all just go?
	how about we all just my other point was Oh my God, this guy, Brandon Mels is on fire.
	It becomes a problem if a woman expects it to be this nice, fine diamond event every time.
	Is that the champagne?
	I think it's champagne.
	Let's get it.
	It could be block apart.
	I was the master of the free first date.
	Like, I feel that's totally acceptable when more women should be.
	The last time I was truly, truly single.
	Oh my God, this girl.
	I was.
	You good?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, no, I. Big deal.
	Celebrate.
	Is that the highest you've ever gotten?
	He's done that.
	He's dropped 1k before.
	Oh, that was wild.
	Giga Chad.
	Jeez.
	Giga Chad.
	I have paid for far more second dates than I have first dates.
	Sure.
	Because I was in a relationship entering the pandemic and then broke up kind of early in the pandemic.
	So I was single during the time where like America discovered walking as its favorite hobby again.
	So I would literally just tell them like, hey, I'm going to go walk my dog.
	Do you want to join me?
	Yeah, it sounds great.
	That sounds a great first question.
	I had a walking trail when I moved back to Pennsylvania for a year.
	And that was a great place to be like, hey, just meet me here.
	Let's go for a walk.
	It's a beautiful trail.
	And if that went well, I'd be like, hey, you want to get coffee this weekend?
	And then if that went well, hey, let's go out to dinner next week.
	That's totally fine.
	That is an escalation that I think a lot of men should be willing to do.
	And they're so slept on.
	That's a barely, they want to dive into it too quickly.
	But that kind of supports Brian's point, right?
	Like, it's not necessarily about the money.
	It's about like, why are you actually going out with him?
	Why are you actually meeting up with him?
	Are you meeting up with him because you're interested in going on a date with him?
	Or for a free dinner.
	Or are you doing it for a free drink at a free dinner?
	Yeah.
	During my experience, anytime I offered to pay for the meal, they felt really offended.
	And you said you were 22.
	Oh, my God.
	Is this Nick in the back of my account?
	What is going on?
	There's no fucking way.
	$10,000 means food hot.
	So my cash up is.
	Yeah, for real.
	Cash up Venmo Zell.
	Right?
	Like, my Venmo's in the chat.
	All I was going to say.
	Brian, should we just pause the conversation?
	You guys keep talking.
	I was going to say, you're 22, right?
	So, like, and you typically date guys around your age.
	Yeah.
	I could see them.
	I could see guys that age not necessarily having the financial.
	Well, no, she said they get offended when she pays.
	I could see them having a hard time navigating that situation because it can be you feel like you're going through a very step-by-step process at that age.
	It's like, I'm supposed to do this, then I'm supposed to do this, and I'm supposed to do this.
	As you become an adult, you realize it's a much, much more liquid process.
	So I could see them not necessarily being offended, but just being a little bit more.
	Kiko, where are you going?
	She's scary.
	She's the bartender.
	I've heard of it.
	Yeah, Kiko, can you do it?
	You're the bartender.
	I don't get backstabilization right now.
	Wait, it says, read the instructions.
	Point bottle away from self and others.
	Remove foil firmly grasp and on top of it.
	Yeah, why would you point it towards the cork?
	Twist top until stopper pops.
	Push down on top firmly until it clicks twice.
	Twist.
	There's a fucking warning label.
	Yeah, they pop like hard.
	It's like a screw, kind of.
	So you just screw it off.
	Don't actually slowly release it.
	If I put my hand, if my hands on top of it, is my hand's going to get excited.
	You're going to be fine.
	You'll stop it from shooting enough.
	Slowly release the pressure.
	Don't just.
	I'm kind of scared.
	You got it.
	Actually.
	Actually, shake it and then so if my hands on the screen explode.
	I think MLD's in the chat.
	What the fuck?
	I just hope you don't hit anything.
	This is the problem with having small, dainty hands.
	You can't.
	Bro, I don't know.
	Fucking open the champagne.
	Yeah.
	Is it?
	Do I lose my man card if I have Kiko?
	Do you too?
	Yeah, just don't point.
	Just go.
	Put your hand on top, though, to stop it from.
	You just hold it and twist it.
	You guys are hurting.
	Right?
	Just put your hand on top.
	Yeah, that's not.
	No.
	Oh, gosh.
	It's going to be fine, you guys.
	It'll be great.
	You're heartbreaking.
	I'm not liable for anything broken.
	I was going to say, don't worry.
	You got to put your hands on.
	Oh, my God.
	Put your hands on top.
	So much amp for none.
	Yeah, this is very dramatic.
	I feel like I've opened a lot of champagne bottles before.
	Come over back here.
	This way?
	Yeah, go.
	Put your hands on top, Dorothy.
	How much more toilet you want to get?
	That's going to keep going.
	Guys, it's going to pop and you're going to be like, oh, that was.
	I know, I know.
	I said there's so much hype for nothing.
	You got it.
	Oh, did you shake it, Brian?
	No, I didn't.
	I definitely didn't.
	Oh, it's just.
	Oh my god, that was so screwed.
	That was like the most anticlimactic.
	It wasn't even a court.
	Woo!
	Okay.
	It wasn't even a cork, Brian.
	It wasn't even a cork.
	It wasn't?
	It was just a toy stock.
	20 plus people are here to be here.
	By champion.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Approximately 24 people are killed each year by champagne bottle corks, depending on the editions of corks.
	That bottle will be fucking closed.
	Did I move the cups?
	Did I bring the cups back over there?
	Where's the cups?
	I mean, we all have a million cups.
	I think we all have.
	Brandon Mills donated $100.
	Yo, Brandon, thank you so much.
	And I saw your second one, by the way.
	Thank you, sir.
	Is anyone here just Madison?
	You can't.
	You're not 21.
	I think you're the only one.
	Yo, Brandon, thank you so, so much, man.
	That's incredibly generous of you.
	I'll fix this here.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Where are you going?
	Whoa, what the fuck?
	Yo, we just got a camera full of titty.
	What the fuck?
	like boom right up up wait where did the can can i get a cup though i I need a.
	I think she's grabbing cups right now.
	She's got to grab cups, or there's no cup.
	Dude, Brandon, thank you, man.
	Really appreciate your patronage.
	You're a fucking legend.
	Well, that's for all the guys.
	Does that mean we have to pop two bottles, though?
	I think so.
	Does that mean we pop two bottles?
	Okay, let's see.
	How about we?
	That was for all the men who comments on my photos.
	Flat chest energy.
	I just wanted to show you what I was working with.
	He was like, mosquito bites.
	Whoever else is drinking.
	Let me see what you're working with.
	Arturo, you must have some baked dishes.
	Did you not know how to pour champagne programs?
	Shannon, too.
	Did you get the cups?
	Yeah, you're late.
	Oh, you're really doing another one.
	That one looks more like a cork.
	Swelling and even glaucoma are all possibilities caused by corks.
	Oh my god.
	Why are you pointing this, Brian?
	He's going to hit the wall.
	Brian, it's a different direction.
	It's going to be a little bit more than that.
	Yeah, you can't do it off camera.
	You have to do it on camera.
	Brian, he paid for this.
	You have to do it on camera.
	Yeah.
	Let's move it over here.
	Kiko, how old is Puerto Rican girl?
	26?
	It's you.
	I'm 26.
	Am I Wikipedia now?
	You got it down.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	I like to listen.
	Kiko got some meat.
	We have a schloss B brich.
	Did I say that right?
	B-brick?
	I don't know.
	What were we talking about related to dating before?
	I feel like we've talked about like three.
	Wait, that's hole.
	Do I have to like unscrew it?
	Oh my god.
	That might be a cork.
	This guy is trying to get his drum.
	Is there something else that we can do for 10,000 miles?
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	Brian, you have to untwist.
	Brian, you have to untwist the side.
	You have to open the cage.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, my God.
	I might feel so dangerous.
	Oh, my God.
	Yo, you don't untwist the colours.
	I'm like scared.
	Okay, serious question.
	If my hand is on top, your hand is going to be fine.
	Is my hand going to have a hole in it?
	You're a small cartoon, Brian.
	This is not a cartoon.
	I'm 24, Brian.
	What?
	Okay.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	That is insane.
	Wait, how do I do it?
	It's unscrewed.
	Okay, so now slowly work.
	There's annoying.
	Dude, just pop it off.
	Slowly release the pressure.
	What do you mean, release the pressure?
	Slowly twist it off.
	Twist it upwards.
	But slowly.
	Yes, but slowly.
	This is way too dramatic.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Oh, fuck.
	Wait.
	Oh, somebody said girl.
	Don't point it at the camera that you need.
	Bro, I can't.
	I can't do it.
	Brian, you can do this.
	Open the cage.
	Yeah.
	I think you can.
	This is pathetic.
	Did you untwist the minute?
	Yeah, it's untwisted.
	Keywood.
	Keep going.
	Bro, I'm not turning it.
	It's not turning.
	No, now you just kind of like kind of toggle it.
	You're not going to have a cork.
	I was poke.
	With my thumb?
	Toggle it.
	Just kind of like waiting for it.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Kiko, come over here, bro.
	This is ridiculous.
	Get on camera, dude.
	Kiko, sit down.
	This is ridiculous.
	This is happening on whatever podcast night.
	Bro, don't worry.
	Pointing it towards the wall.
	I'm just going to hit off your little dainty hand on your face.
	Bro, I...
	Oh my, please, can you do it?
	Just feel it out.
	Just feel it out.
	Woo!
	That's right.
	Oh, my God.
	Keep like the man now, Brian.
	I'm so proud of you.
	Okay, he just throws it.
	Oh, give him a cup of coffee.
	Here, pass the cups.
	Pass the cups.
	All right, I'd like to make a toast.
	My fucking heart, dude.
	Oh, fuck.
	Oh, you're going all out.
	I mean, wild.
	You can tell that you don't drink at all.
	Pour some on my pants.
	That's just little fruit.
	Is anybody else going to cheers?
	She cheers on.
	Did you guys pour?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, let's get some for Billy.
	Let's get some.
	Okay.
	We don't really drink.
	Have we lost half our audience?
	This is boring, bro.
	You can't even help the fucking thing.
	Okay.
	Yo, Brandon.
	This is a cheers to Brandon Mills.
	Yeah, to Brandon.
	To Brandon Mills.
	Let's go, Brandon.
	Madison can't drink, unfortunately, sorry, but she's, you know, okay.
	I mean, it was three bottles.
	Let's just see how much it was.
	It was delicious.
	It was great.
	Thank you.
	Do I have to do another one?
	Figure out something that Frank to do for his patronage.
	Brandon, I will set you all up on a date.
	I'm going to set you up on a date with Mia.
	There you go.
	What?
	The man that just donated $3,000?
	You want me to set you up with Brandon?
	Where does this come from?
	I don't know.
	I think he likes petite latina women.
	Oh, I understand that.
	I just got that impression.
	Sorry, I didn't know.
	Brandon, do you want me to set you up with Mia?
	Wow, this is my first time on the podcast not drinking.
	Wow.
	Look how that went.
	Oh, you've been tanked all your previous appearances?
	Fucked up.
	What were we talking about?
	Oh, my God.
	We were talking about who should pay on the first date.
	Oh, wow.
	Like, I would take down before every podcast about like three Tito shots.
	And then in this cup, I usually had, I would get, like, two cans of the tall Niccolos ni gloves.
	Yeah.
	Because I would be so nervous beforehand.
	I was like, I can't do this.
	Yeah.
	I was like, I can't do this sober.
	I need something in my system.
	Oh, no, this is my water bottle.
	Clearly that wasn't working out for me.
	I always want to talk about it.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know how to pour alcohol inept.
	So, last point here on the who should pay thing.
	No, can we just.
	What do you mean?
	We're already past that, I feel like.
	Okay, all right.
	Let's do some super chats.
	Well, I mean, like, we are like, we're gonna sort of Brandon Mels.
	Long may he reign.
	Oh, we have Cahill.
	We have Cahill here.
	Can you hide that?
	I don't know if we read this opinions on this dating app significantly lower your self-esteem, especially if you're an average man.
	The idea there's so much access to women, but somehow you're not good enough, gets to the hearts of many modern-day men.
	I do see a little contusion on my hand, I'm just gonna say.
	Shut up.
	Don't.
	I'm a little confused.
	I don't know if that's a word.
	Earth, is that a word?
	Oh, I'm not afraid of it.
	I mean, mental.
	I don't think that's a word.
	A contusion's not that.
	Brandon Mels donated $100.
	Okay, Mia.
	I'm taking you out next week.
	He'll be down in Santa Barbara on the 5th to the 7th.
	Also, I don't do Brian.
	Mia?
	By the way, she's five feet.
	I am five feet.
	I am mid-tier because I play the piano, according to Brian.
	Mid-tier?
	Yeah, you said that last time.
	Oh, right.
	Because you preferred strings.
	Yes.
	That's right.
	You don't play cello or violin or a piano.
	I'm just a pianist.
	Okay, dude, Brandon, thanks so much for the patronage.
	Wait, okay, so there's going back to Cahill.
	Did that one come up earlier?
	No.
	The idea there's so much access to women, but somehow you're not good enough, gets to the hearts of many modern-day men.
	That's from Cahill.
	He was asking for opinions on this, I was hoping.
	Someone speaks.
	I agree.
	Dating apps in particular are incredibly self-esteem bashing for men.
	Look no further than the statistics that came out from Bumble and from Tinder.
	Just look at the graph to see the swipes for women versus the swipes for men.
	And also just take into account your experiences on dating apps.
	I know all of you have been on them in some capacity at some point.
	You open up your app to men in your inbox who have reached out to you.
	Men open their app, hopefully, to a woman who has decided to match them.
	Raven DT donated $100.
	Technically, piano is string instrument.
	That's kind of true, yeah.
	Whoa.
	It is a string instrument.
	Still percussion, though.
	Your brain.
	My city college music instructor would freak.
	Yeah, okay.
	Sorry, you were saying?
	About the dating apps, I guess.
	Yes.
	A man opens up his app, hopes that a woman who he has liked previously has now matched with him.
	Women are opening their app to a sea of men who have already liked them.
	Very true.
	And they're now just selecting which one they are going to match with.
	That is the way it works.
	Again, what's the dance that he talked about earlier?
	A woman markets herself.
	A man makes the first move.
	A woman then has to accept that move and see if she wants to proceed any further.
	That's the mating dance for humans.
	So as a man, when a woman is able to literally just take the preferences, like she doesn't have to go out and find a six-foot-tall man.
	She can literally just swipe on all the six-foot-tall men who have already liked her within a certain radius and mileage, right?
	Men who are not hitting the standards on paper are going to complete, it's going to be the exact opposite effect of the girls who are average to below average, who still have a ton of guys in their inbox.
	Their egos are going to be inflated.
	Their egos, men's egos are going to be completely deflated.
	Back to what you're talking about, about like when you asked earlier about, when you asked, like, do you approach men?
	Like, would you advocate for women approaching men on like a regular day out to fix that chasm?
	100%.
	And do you think that that chasm between men and women feeds into inceldom?
	You mean?
	Like being an incel, being involuntarily celibate.
	Do you think that chasm feeds into like incel rhetoric?
	I think so, because I think a lot of men lose hope to a point where they just decide it's not even worth it anymore.
	They're too ugly.
	Whereas if there were a couple, whereas if there were girls, well, we can get into that in a second.
	But if there were girls who were willing to approach men who they found to be cute, just to be like, let's see how this conversation goes.
	Or maybe I can tell him I'd like to get coffee with him.
	Like a lot of men would probably be willing to say yes.
	Really?
	A lot of men.
	Like, it's the men who have like immense abundance who might see a girl who approaches him and be like, and be like, eh, I'm going to pass on this one.
	Because a lot of the girls who are like hyper attractive, who he's probably dating already, don't feel the need to approach men.
	But women who aren't getting that same degree of attention, who see a man who they wish would approach them, go up and approach.
	He's probably going to at least be flattered.
	And he's probably going to say yes if he's not a hyper, hyper attractive, traditionally hyper-attractive man.
	So the extrapolation is like take the chance basically.
	The same way I would talk to a guy.
	Right, so like, so because of how modern dating has shifted and changed, you would now advocate for women to be the ones to approach.
	Absolutely.
	I think that the issue here is that that can be especially helpful for shy guys.
	I think one of the big issues here is that because women, again, are emotionally stimulated and emotionally aroused, men are attractive on the approach.
	Just the fact that he's approaching has the balls to approach.
	Like he, just him making that move automatically elevates him in your eyes.
	So that's an interesting.
	So that's kind of an interesting one and a reason why I wish I could get more men to be comfortable just like approaching, getting rejected.
	But if you want to solve the problem of these men feeling the shame, feeling the fear, women absolutely need to be willing to approach more often.
	And face that same rejection.
	And face that same rejection.
	Yep.
	Now, go ahead, Carl.
	No, you're good.
	Go for it.
	I was going to say just the one comment on inseldom.
	Again, I try not to talk, I try not to like talk down on incels.
	I think that abandoning hope on anything is a bad move.
	But what I will say to most men who consider themselves to be unattractive, I've said this before, you are 12 weeks in the gym and one shopping spree from taking yourself from being like a three to a six.
	So true.
	And if you do that for a year, you're an eight.
	And by the way, the characteristics you'll develop as a result of that, the discipline, the hard work, like just the dedication and the overall just willingness to take care of yourself, those are going to be traits that you carry over into other aspects of your life.
	And the moment that you start attracting women, that is the most tangible measurement of confidence that we have for men in the modern world.
	Yep.
	It reminds me of like, the best thing I've heard Andrew Tate say, when he says like, when he has men reach out to them saying like oh, I'm so depressed or I'm so like, you know, no one likes me whatever.
	And he'll tell them, get in the gym, go to the gym, get a six pack or, you know, do whatever.
	And I get what he's saying.
	Because either one of two things will happen, you'll go to the gym, you'll become more attractive, you'll get more girls, your problem solved, or the latter, which isn't bad either, is you'll get more confidence in yourself and you'll find something worth living for on your own to where it's still a positive win-win situation.
	So yeah, the the gym, a nice outfit, a nice watch it could do wonders for a man.
	We still have to pull up your instagram before you do.
	That really hates you.
	No no, i've been seeing a lot of pot.
	They like him.
	Uh, pull up twitch really quick.
	First guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	If you have one twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Just there.
	There it is, gentlemen.
	Ground score pro with the seven viewer raid.
	Thank you, sir.
	We have Josian who's been on the show dropping bits, bf dropping bits.
	Thank you, Aid Schaefer.
	Thank you for the.
	Oh, my god, i'm such a lightweight, i'm already drunk.
	Okay, I was gonna say I could say I feel like you got drunk as soon as it got in the air, or like pretty much.
	Guys follow us on twitch twitch.tv slash, whatever.
	Uh, Pred Deterred.
	Thank you for the prime.
	Wolf Moogna um Omni.
	Thank you for the prime.
	Appreciate it, brothers.
	We'll check back in there before we wrap up the show.
	Uh, let's pull up Kiko's instagram really quick while we're waiting.
	Why are we doing this?
	Because we were gonna do it like an hour ago and then just obviously, it's still super relevant to the conversation we're having right now.
	Do it, nick.
	We were talking about um oh, is that painting with a twist?
	Uh no, it's Pain At Cabaret.
	It's the same thing.
	I love it.
	Let's scroll down just a little.
	Oh, we should go again.
	Look at, I guess those are my most provocative photos right there.
	That's harum.
	They're also like five years old.
	That's like if you click on it, it's like 2018.
	So these are kind of revealing.
	You think my Instagram is provocative?
	I've seen worse.
	I mean, let's be real.
	If you think my Instagram is provocative.
	It's not terrible.
	I don't think you would want your girlfriend to have Instagram at all then.
	It's not that bad.
	I'm just saying though.
	I think I'm very mild compared to the content that is put out there these days.
	It's quite tame.
	I feel like it's pretty tame.
	And I have not deleted anything for the sake of me being in a relationship.
	I have not edited my Instagram at all, except for taking my old partners off.
	But that's why I'm saying when it comes to social media, I don't see myself as having to change how I portray myself because word.
	Okay, we don't.
	All right.
	I just know we were going to pull it up.
	Thanks for the shout-out.
	No, no, no, no, it's kind of go follow her.
	And also your TikTok is RageQuick Eco.
	But you said that.
	I think I changed my username.
	I changed it to Kiko Lane.
	Trying to sway away from the RageQuit era.
	Question for you here.
	You said in your pre-show messages to us that you accidentally dated your third cousin and that you're currently dating this.
	You provide this not a man who is a felon worst thing that's happened or something, didn't you like what was the question?
	There was a question like, what was this?
	But tell us about your the worst case stereo.
	Like I, it's just.
	I went to a wedding and like my grandma was like that's your third cousin and that was it did.
	Did you guys?
	No kind of calm down Brian no, just curious.
	Just say a small town happens.
	You said you're currently dating a man who is a felon, fresh out of prison, but you've been dating him for what you said, a year.
	Yeah, I did good.
	Was it seven months?
	Super proud of him, was it seven months?
	Well, you said you're the current guy you're dating.
	You've been with him for was it seven months, you said, or one year?
	It's about a year now yeah, but you said so.
	When you say fresh out of prison, were you dating him when he was in prison, like he just got out of prison?
	When I met him, oh so a year ago yeah okay, I thought maybe you were pen pals with him.
	That's how you met him when he was in prison?
	No, and then no, he got out.
	We just met and we just clicked and we've been together since, okay.
	So how long was he in jail?
	Um, not very long, I think.
	I mean that's relative.
	A year and a half, okay.
	You know some people like oh, not very long.
	Seven years yeah no, like it's relative.
	Yeah, okay.
	No, not good times.
	That's like.
	You know what I mean.
	Slap on the road times.
	Let me do the super chat.
	So it would have been too bad.
	That wasn't a lot.
	It doesn't sound like a violent crime.
	No no, absolutely not.
	No yo, we have caught up in association.
	Wait, did we read this one from mr Puffy Vegas?
	Did we read this?
	All right, this is a total lies bs.
	My friends, wives slash girlfriends, have hit me about sx.
	My entire life offered me s ' why do all women pretend that you're not?
	100 Of every woman I met cheat on their husbands.
	I've never met a WN that was faithful.
	Puffy Vegas is the guy that we looked at last year.
	He's a fucking gig chat.
	He's a big guy, by the way.
	We looked at his Instagram, right?
	On Tuesday.
	Yeah, so he's essentially saying that every woman that he's met is a cheater.
	But we looked at his Instagram and he hangs out with like mysterious, strange women all the time.
	I think you need to surround yourself with better people.
	That's all I'm saying.
	So I will say, I have been, I've spent time on bachelor parties or just like random boys trips where there have been women who literally, like, I've been essayed.
	Like, I have women come up to me and they literally tell me, you're the reason I'm going to cheat on my husband.
	Okay?
	Like, overtly, they corner you.
	Okay?
	Like, it happens a lot.
	I was even talking to a friend of mine earlier.
	He sent me screenshots.
	He met a girl yesterday, got her number, said, Hey, do you want to get coffee?
	I can't.
	I'm actually about to get on a plane to go to Italy.
	Full disclosure, I'm going with a guy that I may or may not be in love with, but I'm intrigued, but I'm intrigued by you, and I'd like to keep talking.
	The gull.
	Okay.
	So, like, imagine being that guy who's going to Italy with her.
	Doesn't even know that she's just talking to another guy who intrigues her.
	All right.
	He probably thinks, oh, she's great.
	Oh, she's coming with me.
	Oh, she's being super sweet.
	Oh, she's being super cuddly.
	Oh, we're like having sex on the trip.
	We're spending time touring together.
	Meanwhile, there's a guy waiting back in New York City for her.
	Well, that's why the saying is: men don't cheat more than women.
	They just get caught more.
	It tends to be women are a lot better.
	You ever heard that saying before?
	Like, we always say men are the cheaters, men are the biggest cheaters, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	But a lot of research shows that women cheat almost just as much.
	They just don't get caught as easy.
	Whereas men cheat and then the woman finds out because they, you know, it's super obvious.
	So it's much easier for women to cheat.
	To add to that, they do it more, they're more sneaky.
	What are your thoughts on like being open with cellular devices?
	Like, would you ever pick up her phone or look through it or something like that?
	I mean, I have no reason to do it with her because she gives me zero reason to.
	But again, I think pattern recognition is something that is something you got to take into account.
	Like, maybe something like, who have you been texting all day?
	Just a question, right?
	And then at a certain point, if you want to make that confrontation, make it.
	But again, different people are very different.
	I think people who have had their trust violated in the past who say, listen, it's not that I don't trust you, but I have just had situations in the past.
	It would make me feel better if you just gave me access to your phone.
	I completely support that.
	I've never been screwed in that capacity, but I completely understand why people would have it, and I actually support it.
	If the women don't want to cooperate with that, so be it.
	But that's for them to figure out.
	So, by the way, Mr. Puffy Vegas, a woman is DMing me on whatever.
	Her name is Puffilina.
	I was wondering if I could get you set up with her.
	You're Puffy Vegas.
	She's Puffilina.
	That's actually her username.
	Let me know if I can get you set up, you know.
	Okay.
	Can I make a point to be honest?
	Sure, sure, go ahead.
	I think that women that behave like that are absolutely pathetic.
	People need to take accountability.
	Yes.
	And if you want to have successful relationships in this life, you have to stop being a complete degenerate when it comes to confiscating it like a tutor.
	I was really confused because that one half question.
	Yeah.
	The one sip.
	But they're pathetic because.
	Yeah.
	Because people, because women behave like Sex is this like disposable thing that if they engage in it more and more often, that they're somehow being what's the word I'm looking for like in their divine feminine energy.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	Empowered, empowered, yeah, exactly.
	Empowered.
	And at the same time, they're wanting this man to commit to them and they're trying to find somebody that is going to play the traditional role in the relationship when they're just out here being promiscuous and not acting traditional in any sense.
	How does that relate back to what he just said?
	I would actually say, like, what she just said, like, like, had me thinking more about my response to you.
	I would venture to say that openness with devices should actually be like a non-negotiable, that it's totally okay.
	Same.
	That's how I think.
	I have nothing to hide from her on my phone.
	She has nothing to hide from me in her phone.
	Do I feel the need to consistently check it?
	No.
	But I honestly think that if you're in a full long-term committed relationship with future prospects, it shouldn't even be a remote question.
	If someone were to ask you, can I see your phone?
	You should be able to be like, it should be a no-brainer non-negotiable.
	If you're hiding something or if you're being fishy about that, something is 100% off.
	Yes.
	A lot of men will DM me and be like, I'm nervous that this girl I'm dating might be cheating on me.
	Do you recommend that I look at her phone?
	I'm like, you're already too far.
	Like, if you can't lay out your phone and then, like, for example, when I was in a monogamous relationship and we were living together for almost four years, phones were like, it's just, I just picked his up if I needed to use it, or he picked mine up if you need to use it.
	You know, when you know.
	And even the slight instinct that you got to check her phone, you're already past that point, in my opinion.
	Pattern recognition is not insecurity.
	Yeah.
	I think that's a very important thing.
	Yes.
	I was honestly so fortunate in the relationship I'm in right now that my boyfriend actually lost his phone like two months in, three months into our relationship.
	And while he was like, there was a problem with his phone insurance or whatever.
	So he didn't have a phone for like, honestly, almost like two months.
	He did have a phone.
	And he was using my iPad a lot because it had cellular.
	You can use it.
	But what happened was since he logged into his iCloud on my iPad, all of our stuff has kind of gotten synced together.
	So he has access to like, he gets my text messages and my, like, all my social media notifications.
	And I sometimes get his too, which I kind of like because right in the beginning, it allowed for no like secret sort of transparency.
	Yeah, it was full transparency, not even because he wanted to, but it just ended up being that way.
	So like now I know he has full access to all my messages and he has, I have full access to his, and it's just no, no even questionable.
	Wait, question, Kiko.
	What if you're on your boyfriend's phone, right?
	And you're so drunk, bro.
	What if you're on your boyfriend's phone, right?
	And like, you're just, you're checking this shit and then boom, grinder pops up.
	What do you do?
	Oh, grinder.
	That does.
	I would go to him and be like, I'm very disappointed that you felt the need to hide this and start something like this.
	You put my sexual health at risk, and that shit's not cool.
	And you're a pussy because if that's what you want to be, then be that loud and proud.
	Don't do that on my time.
	What do y'all, wait, what's going on behind the scenes there?
	What y'all doing?
	Madison, what you doing back there?
	Hey, Madison, get back in your seat.
	Madison.
	Are you mechanical now?
	Madison, get back in your seat right now.
	You can't eat over there.
	I demand you starve on camera.
	I demand eat your popcorn.
	Haven't you?
	It's anti-LGBTQ.
	It's not anti-LGBTQ.
	I feel like I have the right to not be in a relationship with a gay anti-LGBTQIA.
	Madison, right?
	Anti-gay.
	That's ridiculous.
	Like, that's just sorry.
	That's insuspiable.
	Sorry, I don't want to be with a man.
	Hey, you two, Nicole.
	Secretly put your going to pound tab in that seat right now.
	Guys, you're struggling now.
	Here's what, all right, we got to do some super chats.
	So here's what we're going to do.
	God, you're on a good one.
	Did you even have like half a glass?
	Well, no, this is just his third character.
	He has a condescending girl.
	I did.
	He had the uppity guy, and now he has a Dr. Emma, too.
	Bye Felicia donated $50.
	Concerned about being screamed at or labeled as a crate for simply greeting a girl.
	What in the hell?
	Potentially causing her discomfort.
	However, I'm all right with receiving respectful rejection.
	What is it called?
	What do you call when it's something?
	This whole podcast is scuffed now.
	We're just scuffed.
	Listen up.
	Listen up.
	I'll tell you this.
	Are you trolling yourself?
	I'll tell you this.
	She's from Alabama, so she knows.
	Todd Christley.
	Listen.
	They called you Todd Christley.
	Who's that?
	Who's Todd Crystal?
	Oh, he does.
	Okay, let's not talk about it.
	Let me just say, bye, Felicia.
	Thank you very much for the video.
	Appreciate it.
	What did he do?
	We have Puffy Vegas.
	Excuse me, Kiko.
	Raise your hand if you want to ask a question.
	There you go.
	I call on Kiko.
	I've been selling Joe Biden all so long.
	When they send comments and it just stands up as a link, what are they trying to say?
	Are you speaking?
	Are you making fun of me right now?
	Probably trying to make the same energy as you.
	Wait, so what was the question?
	What are they saying about you?
	Roll tad.
	I'm just getting that.
	Roll tad.
	Wait, wait.
	Wait, no, but I'm actually serious with you.
	Wait, so just so you're gonna, because your accent's a bit tame, but if you get a bit more drunk, is it gonna come probably when I get excited or when I get uh passionate?
	I get really country helpful.
	Your voice just sounds like sunflowers and cowbells.
	Exactly how it is tomorrow on.
	She's like, she's just like a clothesline.
	Yeah.
	Here's what I see when I hear her, when I just see her, whatever.
	You're like a cool breeze on a hot sun.
	That's what's up.
	It's precious.
	Brian's Riz level is at a zero.
	What the fuck?
	Excuse me.
	Ariel Brian just came out horse.
	All right.
	We have Puffy Vegas here, our good friend Puffy Vegas.
	He lives in Vegas.
	He's the same.
	He just tried to fix his spelling errors.
	We already went over this.
	No.
	Oh, he's a liberal.
	Liberal.
	He's a liberal.
	Woman who's a liberal.
	All right, let me read this here.
	Never met a woman.
	Excuse me.
	You already read this.
	I did.
	He just changed the word.
	Never met a woman in my life that was faithful.
	I don't think a woman can be faithful.
	Every woman I have ever met, women that will not sleep with a man on the first night if he gives her who she peas.
	What?
	You're all Paul.
	Puffy Vegas is it.
	Faith in himself.
	All right, we have testing tolerance.
	Black shirt is wrong.
	There is no point in checking each other's phones and can only cause harm.
	I've dated at least three women who later I found out had husbands or boyfriends.
	They all used points.
	A partner's clean phone means nothing.
	I don't have testing tolerance.
	How disconnected are you not realizing your partner has a whole other phone?
	I mean, are you living their life?
	They're working overtime to hide that kind of thing.
	Again, are we talking about the fringe case here?
	Something like that?
	How often do we really think that that's going on?
	Like, I understand that women can hide things.
	I understand that they can delete DMs.
	I understand that they can do those things.
	I don't want to make it seem like it's something that is completely and utterly abnormal, especially in the modern dating world.
	But again, like, I think you can tell when you're dating a total freaking narcissist, a total sociopath.
	Okay?
	Like, again, pattern recognition.
	All right.
	We have.
	Pattern recognition.
	That's it.
	Markovia Smart.
	It will be Michelin star and will change your life.
	Oh, I can't do it.
	Fuck.
	Okay.
	Priya, don't wear your safari outfit.
	Wear your hair up.
	Brian, wear your hair up as well.
	Brian, you have to bring a girl.
	I can't do it right now.
	To defend Priya, I don't know if you can see it.
	I don't want you staring at my outfit.
	I don't want you staring at us while we eat.
	Bring Madison if you must.
	If we bring Madison, we've got to bring Frankie.
	So can I say something about my outfit?
	Yeah.
	No, no, no, no.
	I don't care if they're dissing it, but people in the chat think my shirt is denim and it's not.
	It's satin.
	She wants to clarify that piece of information.
	Can somebody who's in the chat, maybe Brandon can do this.
	Brandon, I don't know if you're still watching.
	Okay.
	I don't know if you're still watching.
	Okay, Trump.
	Can you make a photo with Priya with one of those old school safari hats and send it to our Instagram and we'll show it on the stream?
	Or somebody, like just a little Photoshop, a cheapo Photoshop.
	Thank you, man.
	To be fair, if Priya had like a show on Animal Planet, I'd probably watch.
	Honestly.
	If Priya had a show on Animal Planet.
	You look like a huge shot.
	If she was a true safari girl with a hat, I would watch.
	She's a horse girl.
	I would watch.
	Priya, Martin, thank you very much.
	We're going to talk about this at some point.
	I'm going to email you, sir.
	This is a very hard figure.
	I will email you to get this.
	Not in the outfit at all.
	All right, we have Puffy Vegas.
	Bryant questioned.
	Oh, he just disrespected the fuck out of you.
	He put a Y and a T. Major disrespect.
	The biggest disrespect, though, is when they do brain.
	That shit is rude.
	Is it disrespectful or does it just show their lack of ability to check their grammar?
	It's all of the above.
	Brian, question to the girls, no BS.
	Can a woman, why man?
	He's not.
	Not cheap.
	I don't believe it is possible.
	Can a woman not, this guy's drunk, too.
	Yeah, not cheap.
	But our boyfriend has been cheated on.
	He's tried to say the same statement three different times.
	He's doing the cheating.
	Guys, maybe there's a language barrier.
	He lives in Vegas.
	Vegas in and of itself is a different country.
	We need Mr. Puffy to call into a show and we need to get the scoop on what's going on with Nisha.
	Give him a hotline to call right now.
	He is an amplified version of what a lot of men think.
	Actually, I'm just going to that whole concept.
	Go back to that thing I said earlier about the female version of chivalry.
	One of the things that women can do as a duty to their man, you need to, more so than him, you need to go out of your way to showcase loyalty to him.
	That is something, like, because of what you said, you said women cheat just as much as men.
	They're just better at hiding it.
	It's because of their access to it.
	Women, their barrier to cheating is so much lower because men are pursuing them.
	They don't need to go out of their way to pursue somebody else.
	Okay, that's a good point.
	That's a good point.
	So women going out of their way to demonstrate loyalty to their man in very, very overt ways, that is also something that can be.
	But that doesn't always work with high-value men, right?
	That have like a bunch of options.
	Because I've recently dated a man that I considered a high-value man.
	And like, you know how you were discussing earlier about like approaching a high-value man at the bar and how he might reject you because he has options of like other beautiful women?
	Like how does that fit into what you're saying like right now?
	What do you mean?
	Approaching versus loyalty.
	Those are two very, very different things.
	I lost my train of thought, but the question was there.
	I'm sorry about that.
	I just want to say, Puffy, I tried on Instagram, I tried calling you from the whatever Instagram.
	Oh, goodness.
	Are you still in the chat?
	I'll call you from, we'll put you on the stream right now, Puffy, if you want.
	All right, bye Felicia.
	Pepe LePew replaced Chris Brown.
	Dope.
	I think that was when we were talking about Chris Brown.
	Thank you, bye Felicia.
	Appreciate it.
	Puffy Vegas.
	I've never bought women.
	anything you don't have to buy women wait why is there why why Why is there a woman likes you, 90% of my days are just come over?
	I'm sorry.
	Excuse me?
	But that's actually kind of true, though.
	What does that mean?
	I don't know.
	That means that if she actually likes you, 90% of the time, it's not even about taking her out on dates.
	It's like, hey, let's come over and chill.
	And again, at a certain point in time, if she likes you, that is exactly what it is.
	And it's not, hey, let's Netflix and chill.
	No, it's like, come over, let's spend some time together.
	No, we don't need to go out.
	I love that.
	I prefer that most of the time.
	But once I know somebody.
	Sure.
	Definitely not for a first day.
	Yeah, if a woman actually likes you, it's easy to tell.
	And therefore, it is just 90% of the days is like the first time.
	Let's just hang out.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	No, I completely agree with that, but I think his argument is...
	The first date.
	Like, it seemed, I don't know.
	It doesn't seem like he's finding women that he's going to get into some sort of relationship with.
	Yeah, remember when we looked at his Instagram last week and he had so many different random women on there?
	Like, you're not demonstrating really what you want.
	You're not allowing women to change.
	Puffy, I don't think that you're surrounding yourself with people with decent moral values.
	I would ask, what would it take for you to trust a woman?
	That would be my very simple.
	Because again, maybe you can't trust anybody.
	Like, not to get too deep, but like, what would it take?
	Like, what's the barrier for you to be like, it's good enough?
	Like, it's good enough.
	I can trust.
	Or are you just out completely?
	Self-reflection is key.
	Whoa, that was deep.
	So deep, breath.
	So deep.
	Okay, we have by Felicia.
	Approximately 24 people are killed each year by champagne bottle corks, depending on the conditions.
	A cork would need to be under three bars of pressure to travel at 60 miles per hour.
	Yeah, it's dangerous.
	It's dangerous.
	My hand is still confused.
	Okay.
	Puffy Vegas, thank you, man.
	This woman is just joking.
	No man would be offended about what you wanted to pay.
	Every man I've known has had women paid for dinner.
	Why do you not believe the truth?
	You are the reason why I would never pay for any women.
	Wanin.
	Oh, my God.
	How did you spell the same word differently three times?
	Michael Sartain said it best.
	Grammarly.
	Get it.
	Grammarly, there's a free version, folks.
	We have, by Felicia.
	Some men concerned about being screamed at or labeled as creepy for simply greeting a girl.
	Toby Addison, a blind man, was bizarrely asked to leave a gym after being accused of checking a woman out.
	Joey Swole.
	Good points.
	Good point.
	This is related to men's hesitation to approach, I suppose.
	And we don't get to just blame our hormones and say, oh, my testosterone was acting up.
	Can't do that.
	Well, men do make some blanket statements like, oh, that's just my nature.
	This and that is another way to say my testosterone is always on that high level.
	But I don't necessarily think that that's a bad thing, but it's not only women who are blaming their biology for their ways that they are.
	I think it happens on both ends.
	But it's considered to, but basically, we're considered to be like predatory.
	Like this whole circumstances.
	Supernatural instinct.
	Like, it's not just like, oh my God, you're being a nag, right?
	Like, it's like you are being predatory in a setting where women are now made to feel uncomfortable.
	And it's just like, all I do is check you out.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Because that's literally what men do is objectify you in order to see if they want to approach you and maybe date you.
	And it's literally just the way that we're wired, biologically.
	We have Trenton Kingsley here.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Thanks for the long podcast.
	Bryant makes work easier.
	Add some colors to the whatever merch.
	Billy Ray, thank you too for your videos.
	Madison 07 always.
	Lovely to see you from Trenton Kingsley.
	Thank you, Senior Trenton Kingsley.
	Trenton Kingsley.
	Stand-up guy, Trenton.
	What a Chad.
	What a legend.
	Okay.
	Who started that?
	What, Chad?
	Chad.
	It comes from Incel, dumb.
	Yeah, it is, actually.
	That's right.
	You're correct.
	It dates back to.
	It dates back to actually, you know, since we're on the top of incel, don't you think?
	Don't you think it is kind of not ironic, but like a crazy coincidence that this podcast takes place in Isla Vista, which is where, I won't say incel culture brewed, but it is where, no, most incels.
	Wait, Intel Dumb was created in New Hampshire by a governor on Reddit.
	No, but hold on.
	Where incel culture is now where they say like the incel like their king, their warrior is Elliot Rogers.
	Jesus Christ.
	That's where our leadership is.
	Let's not talk about that.
	That's not one of our prohibited words or topics.
	Yeah, but it's just.
	That's a big part of this whole thing.
	Prohibited topic.
	Let's just.
	His actions.
	Let's not talk about it.
	It's not any of the words that were.
	Yeah, but I don't really feel like talking about shooting live.
	Well, I wasn't even with that.
	I wasn't going to go into details about what happened.
	I just wanted to bring it up.
	I thought it was a good idea.
	Thank you, Val.
	Valid have donated $100.
	Puffy, my God, stop messing with drunk women on the strip and go to church.
	Me in cutting into my ammo budget now.
	Kep up the good work, Alabama.
	If I had sock media, I shoot my shot, but I don't sat face locked argar.
	Wait, Loctar.
	What does lockdaro gar mean?
	For the horrid.
	For the horrid.
	He'd shoot a shot.
	I'm thinking about deleting my social media.
	She's thinking about deleting her social media.
	And as far as the origins of Chad, according to Google, it's rooted in the old English name, Chiada.
	That's all we're talking about.
	Protector or defender.
	Just saying.
	I'm just saying, don't worry about Chads and Stay Saves and all those blonde blue hot and old ladies.
	So we've gone through all the super chats here.
	We've gotten liquored up.
	You're the only one toxic.
	That's not true.
	Okay, fine.
	You're a lightweight, Brian.
	I will revise my statement.
	It's kind of, it's good.
	I'm liquored up.
	Thank you.
	Cheers, Brandon Males.
	Before we wrap up, would anyone like a final word?
	This has been my favorite podcast episode I've been on yet.
	Has it?
	It has.
	This has been lovely.
	We didn't really argue much.
	Maybe we should have a lot of people.
	Yeah, there was a cat fight last time.
	Because the man you had on the other side, it's... I'm not...
	Wait, did you not like Michael Sartain?
	Do you not like Michael Sardine?
	Um, I think...
	Wait, were you on the...
	I've never been on with Michael.
	The Michael Knowles podcast I liked a lot as well, but I feel like sometimes he's a very well-educated, well-spoken man, but at points he'll try to say things to trigger the other side that goes unseen.
	where he will say things blatantly to get a reaction out of people that won't be seen as such.
	Michael Sartain, I think he is another one of the very well-spoken men on the other side, but he has a lot of things that he says that are easily country.
	Like, even when he was on here with his girl the first time he came on here, there was a few things that they said together where I was like, mmm.
	Like, he's talking about, oh, Instagrams have to be a certain way, and I don't want my girl posting this out in the third, but then if you go on his girl's Instagram page, it's...
	Yes, exactly.
	Okay, well, that's...
	He...
	But he did say that he was a big bikini model person, so he was totally okay with that girl.
	Well, let's not talk about the man.
	Well, he's not.
	We're not trashing him.
	We're not trashing it.
	Shout out Michael Sartain.
	We're going to talk about it.
	Puffy Vegas.
	Yeah, that guy.
	Sustainability.
	I don't know who Zirka is.
	He just started popping up recently.
	This is a new one.
	I'm going to put you and the most disagreeable people we've had on the panel with Zirka, I think.
	I think we'll do that.
	Okay.
	There is a fight that brought me to the bottom.
	Puffy Vegas.
	There was a fight.
	A physical fight?
	No, not a physical fight.
	I mean, a discussion about a physical fight.
	I can't fight.
	Quote unquote.
	Oh, I didn't know.
	Puffy Vegas can talk to the panel.
	Dude, check your Instagram.
	Check your DMs.
	I've been trying to call you.
	It's through Instagram, though, Puffy Vegas.
	I feel like Instagram calls dogs.
	Okay, hold on.
	I was going to ignore this.
	I'm not pregnant.
	Let's not start.
	I'm not pregnant.
	Wait, he sent it twice?
	I've just gained weight.
	This is the angle.
	I mean, come on, Kiko.
	Let's not get it.
	I'm purposely trying very, very hard to gain weight.
	Huh?
	You're trying to get thick?
	I'm trying to get thick EU.
	You're trying to get thick.
	With the help of my boyfriend, he's encouraging it.
	I have gained weight.
	I've gained 20 pounds since the last time I was on.
	Really?
	Yes.
	I have gained 20 pounds, but it's not due to pregnancy.
	I have an IUD.
	Speaking of IUDs, who here is on birth control?
	You are, Brian?
	I just got off this month.
	You just got off?
	This month.
	Which one did you get off of?
	Do you feel amazing?
	Okay.
	No, it's been a rough month.
	I'm sure it'll take some time.
	Yeah.
	We've been doing a lot of research, and I felt like a hypocrite being on birth control.
	You look great.
	Do you feel like being a hypocrite on birth control with the content you post together?
	Why?
	Because I feel like birth control perpetuates hookup culture.
	And it also is horrible for your health once you look into it.
	If you read the book, Beyond the Pill, it'll change your view on everything.
	It's insane.
	Did you feel like emotionally unstable or something?
	No, I actually felt great on birth control.
	Yeah.
	But I have.
	It's a rough come down?
	You said it's been difficult.
	Well, it definitely wasn't.
	Yeah, it just was like your hormones.
	Yeah, you come off with like you're like, oh my gosh, I feel emotions again.
	That was the weird thing.
	So you were kind of numb before?
	Because I've never been on birth control ever.
	I wouldn't say I was numb.
	It's just like I'm more in touch with my body now and I can feel the different times of the month.
	And also like I started breaking out because my hormones just kind of freaked out.
	That's interesting because the last, well, I think maybe the very last episode they had with Michael Sartain or maybe the one that you're on with, whatever one it was, he said that his girlfriend had just gotten off and it's been amazing and she feels great and it's been a world of a difference.
	A lot of people do.
	Yeah, I can see both sides.
	But let's be careful when you say it perpetuates hookup culture because it can.
	I definitely see that sense.
	But not every woman is on birth control because of hookup culture because she wants to just sleep with every man she can.
	I think the stabilizing hormones things is not true.
	That's not even the point I was going to say.
	But let me continue my point.
	It could be for multiple reasons.
	Cat fight.
	One, one, two.
	One, we know that not every time a woman can make her own informed decision.
	So it is a sometimes backup plan so she doesn't have to do other things that she doesn't want to do.
	Two, I don't want to start convincing a bunch of women to not take birth control because that can also have a very negative effect going into things.
	So just let everyone make their own conscious decision and not.
	But I think a lot of people aren't informed of what birth control is actually doing to their body.
	I feel like if they're not going to hand you this pill, I was not informed.
	No, I feel that's kind of common sense.
	Like, I mean, it's a hormonal.
	No, they're incentivized.
	The doctors are incentivized.
	A lot of people aren't even realizing that they're synthetic hormones and that the synthetic hormones actually do much different things than your real hormones would do.
	So read Beyond the Pill.
	Sorry, I thought that was maybe.
	Read the book.
	That's maybe naive of me to feel like that's common sense to understand putting something in your body that's literally trying to change how your body works is going to have effects.
	All of your nutrient supplies, once you come off birth control, to get those nutrients back, I'm not a doctor, I can't really explain it well, but there is such a deficit that the only way to get those nutrients back in my body are going to be through supplements.
	You can do it through diet, but it would take months and months and months because the supply is just like so low in your body.
	Can I ask a personal question?
	So have you taken like blood tests to figure out like deficiencies?
	I'm actually doing that this week.
	I'm in touch with a neuropath.
	Neuropathy?
	For blood.
	Neuropathy.
	For blood working.
	Neuropathy.
	Yeah, they recommend different blood tests.
	And also in the book that I'm reading, they tell you the whole panel these things.
	like a neuroscience slash like homeopathic person it's like a yeah it's like the like the natural doctors Homeopathic medicine.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	My whole point is this podcast, the viewers are mostly men, right?
	We all know that.
	They don't make a lot of, do their own research, so it's not.
	Their gender.
	Let's not.
	I just am saying, like you said, you're not a doctor.
	So when it comes to those things, let's not start saying things and pushing things because I don't want these men to now go on and be like, oh, get off birth control.
	Don't do this.
	I heard this on this podcast.
	You should touch it.
	We're not doctors.
	Another big reason I got off is because our next step in our relationship would be marriage.
	And when you're on, the reason that a reason that divorce rates are elevating or increasing is because when women come off birth control, it's typically when they get married and their hormones change so much that when they're married, they're not attracted to their spouse anymore.
	Pheromones.
	And it's also a selection thing.
	There are studies, and one of the studies is mapped out in the book, but there is a study that was performed that showcased that women who are not on birth control, so have natural occurring hormones, they will mate select with men who have the most different immune systems to them imaginable because it makes their kid more immune to more things.
	Women who are on birth control would select for the exact opposite.
	So there are like very, very natural selection-oriented things and sexual selection things that the pill will fundamentally change about you.
	And a lot of women, like she said, will literally just pheromones change and they are no longer attracted to their husband.
	That's a really interesting topic I've never heard of before.
	I would love to do more research about that.
	Beyond the pill.
	Beyond the pill.
	Who's on birth control right now?
	I just want to say that doesn't really go with tonight.
	Brian, for the Hookup culture point.
	If you look at a graph when birth control came out, the instances of premarital sex skyrocketed within those few years.
	That would be a very, very positive correlation to hookup culture being perpetuated by the culture.
	But I'm doing what you're saying.
	You're saying that, like, listen, you're not a doctor, so let's not promote not taking your medication because women take medication and birth control for period cramps, but there's way more effective ways to actually get rid of that.
	No, absolutely.
	I'm actually.
	You actually shouldn't have period cramps.
	I'm not on birth control.
	I'm on the same page as you.
	I'm just trying to play devil's advocate here, where it's like, you don't want to push someone to not take medication that they need.
	You just want to encourage them to kind of do the research on their own.
	Yeah, that's totally fine.
	Yeah, that's why I'm saying that.
	Stray away from the same.
	I'd rather have them form.
	You guys would be the same people to be like, sorry, not to try to go there, but it'll be the same people to be like, prolonged.
	What can you do if they're not going to be able to do that?
	So you're saying, don't tell a woman, don't be on birth control, don't do this and the third.
	But they also mean they don't have a choice to do.
	They do have a choice.
	Try to move it off.
	No, just have safe sex.
	A condom is way too fast.
	It's 100%.
	When a condom combined with taking your temperature every day is very tracking your audience.
	You're getting a very close percentage to birth control.
	Listen.
	Oh, check that out.
	I've never seen one in Douglas.
	Please, guys, safe sex.
	It's really important.
	Make sure your chick wears a condom.
	Make sure, guys, female condoms are.
	That's not to prevent pregnancy.
	That's prevent STDs of the throat.
	No, no, this is no, this isn't the dental dim, my dear.
	Oh, my God.
	This isn't.
	It's a female condom.
	Aren't the statistics that's like really not that high of thumb?
	I don't know.
	I've never seen one.
	I'm like, I'm so curious.
	The circumference is large.
	And that's your preference.
	Right.
	No, bro.
	Don't throw women with Audis under the bus like that.
	I'm on your side.
	Listen, Audis doesn't have to do with the, like, you know.
	I know I'm.
	You could be tight and have an Audi.
	I'm aware.
	Please do not disrespect.
	Please stop being such a misogynist, okay?
	Listen, I'm BLM, okay?
	You are a misogynist, my dear.
	I'm big labia maddening.
	I'm a feminist.
	I will not stand for your misogyny.
	What is the matter?
	What's laborious too?
	He asked me last labia for a while.
	How big are we talking about?
	What's a big labia versus a little ratio?
	This came up last time where she was the girl that fought with me.
	It was like, how low do you go?
	Who did you fight with?
	The girl that was sitting on the end, what was her name?
	Oh, the light-skinned girl.
	I have a question.
	I'm in my throat.
	Do you purposely put, do you purposely put light-skinned girls in the first seat now, always, so it kind of looks like it's me?
	No, even if panels were like, oh, I'm like, I wasn't on that panel.
	I'm like, oh, that's just another light-skinned girl.
	Do I purposely put the light-skinned girls in this first seat now so it looks like I'm sitting here on like a quick glance?
	All right, wow, okay.
	What is that?
	I don't know.
	How do you choose this seating?
	On a real note.
	I've been sat here every single time.
	I try to make a second.
	He's like your scop.
	Yeah.
	Well, he puts the most, he puts who he thinks is going to be the most like combative and vocal in this seat.
	You're right.
	And then he tried to separate us onto like arguing on both sides who he thinks more.
	It's like more trad wife, conservative on that side, and the more 304 liberal, not normal.
	I remember the second time I came on here, she's got me.
	Like, this is no nothing.
	Wow.
	But I remember it was me, and then it was like OnlyFans, OnlyFans, OnlyFans, and me.
	And I'm like, this is why everyone keeps commenting that I'm on OnlyFans.
	And I'm like, I've.
	I thought I was going to learn so much about OnlyFans tonight.
	This means usually you are not the majority.
	Which would mean that I have been demoted as I was sitting there last time and now I'm sitting here.
	That's what I was thinking about.
	Thanks, Brian.
	When he said he was honestly, I was like, you're kind of.
	Like, I found the seating interesting.
	I was like, huh, I was over there last time.
	You're hard to read, which is good.
	She almost got her ass whooped last show.
	I did.
	By two very strong, independent feminists.
	Oh, they were friends.
	They're friends.
	Speaking of their Instagrams, they have pictures together.
	They were tagged.
	She really wanted to crazy.
	One last thing here about birth control.
	Of course, I'm being safe.
	I pull out.
	Of course.
	72% effective.
	Wait, is that Nick or Brian?
	Nick?
	Wait, what?
	I see you.
	She thinks she's got it figured out.
	Who commented that?
	What?
	What's your name?
	Put some respect.
	What's his name?
	Put some respect on Nick's name.
	What's his name?
	Put some respect on Nick's name.
	Yeah, it's Nick.
	Okay, yeah.
	Don't make me feel like that.
	Where's Eric?
	He is no longer with us.
	Eric is no longer with us.
	Like in life.
	No, no, he's alive.
	He's alive.
	He's so alive, guys.
	He's so alive.
	It was fine.
	He just, there was some work con he has another job.
	There were conflicts.
	He put in his two weeks' notice.
	It was amicable.
	We wish him the best.
	We miss you, Eric.
	We miss you, Eric.
	We miss you.
	And your presence.
	Presents, thank you.
	Okay, let's wrap up here.
	Last call.
	Does anyone have anything final, final?
	What's up?
	What you got?
	Okay, so I came on to just tell my fellow Christian singles that use your singleness season to thrive.
	And because you can use it.
	People usually mope about it and waste it.
	But you can use this single season just to really devote to God and it's going to change your life, like for real.
	And your foundation will be set, and God will send you that person when he's ready.
	So don't worry about dating apps or when this person's going to come.
	But even Paul refers to it as a gift.
	So yeah, I just want to say that's beautiful.
	As a girl, that is great advice.
	Thank you.
	A guy will certainly show up at some point.
	Yes.
	As my advice to men, I have advice to men.
	I feel like a lot of people have lost this during COVID.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Angry.
	Go ahead.
	My advice would be to get out there more.
	Join groups.
	Not just for the sake of finding a relationship, but just to get out there more.
	I know too many men who, and not just men, women in general, but I guess men or women can get away with it more.
	So that's why I'm speaking to men.
	Get out there.
	Don't just go to work and go home and watch a five-hour podcast.
	Go out, play, find a hobby, maybe go to church.
	I don't know.
	Like, do something that you enjoy so maybe you could find someone there, is what I would say.
	I don't know.
	Pick up Pickleball.
	Good advice.
	Maybe.
	Pickleball is so much fun.
	If you see yourself, and to men, if you see yourself as a five and you're afraid of rejection, that's something you have to overcome and just kind of put on a little bravado and get yourself out there.
	And don't just settle for nothing or accept the fact that there's like this chasm between men and women.
	Like put in the effort and try a new haircut.
	Maybe like a total of the brand.
	I totally agree with what you said.
	Like a few months in the gym, a shopping spree does wonders.
	Working on your personal character, spending time with yourself, like you just said, like focusing on God and whether or not your version of God is Jesus or whatever it is.
	I think that's really important to work on yourself first before you.
	Can someone take this device away from him?
	Yeah, but we need to comment.
	This podcast that you do not have enough.
	Y'all jacked up on Mountain Dew.
	Making mad decisions.
	Sorry.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	Yo, thank you, Raj.
	You guys do after shows?
	Says the girl who is too afraid to approach men.
	I see you.
	I thought it was a little bit of a damn thing.
	Okay, I'm a little afraid to approach men.
	Sue me, all right?
	All right.
	I'm working on it.
	All right.
	I'm a work in progress.
	I think rejection is a good thing for people to go through.
	It builds character.
	It humbles you for both men and women.
	And you just need to put yourself out there.
	It's just like how I teach my kids how they have to learn how to lose and not always win or get everything they want.
	Yeah.
	It's good.
	This has been a cold humble pie.
	Very humble.
	This is not what I was prepared for at all, but it's all good.
	Well, we're over here.
	She wanted the catfight.
	She won the catfight.
	Michigan.
	I don't know.
	I expected something.
	I don't know.
	What?
	Got to start it.
	I feel like this has been a very productive panel, in my opinion.
	You just.
	I don't know.
	It's good.
	It's all good.
	I just thought there would be more OF girls that were bigger than me.
	Oh my.
	She was honestly.
	I love the honesty.
	I love the honesty.
	No, seriously, because I want to know more about business.
	She's like, I'm on here for clout.
	I mean, if you watch his podcast, I'm actually here because I like Brian, to be honest with you.
	I watched many of his shows and thought he was great.
	So I applied.
	No, not like that.
	Did you make that?
	No, not like that sexual way.
	Like, I like him as a person.
	I like his values.
	So I traveled here because I like to listen to him.
	It's me.
	The fact that I just give it to you, Brian.
	Out of all the red pill podcasts, you are one of the more enjoyable.
	That's very true.
	Yes, that is very true.
	And I thought about bringing you a ring.
	I was going to a fake ring and bring it.
	I was going to, you know, I had ideas.
	He loves when women jump over him.
	So he does.
	Oh, yeah.
	And he loves when they do the, you know, the masculine duty.
	So if you propose, I might just ring him in.
	That might be his dream.
	You pay on the first one.
	I don't fit into his quote.
	He'll fall on his knees for you.
	Yeah, wear sweatpants.
	Do you want kids?
	Kids, Brian?
	Yeah, did you?
	No, my kids, but how many kids and big lady?
	That's what I know about you.
	Let's not put those two together.
	Yeah, wait, that was.
	Well, on the bright side, you might get bowie.
	That is not what I was saying.
	That's not what I was saying.
	No, I know that.
	$100.
	It's okay if she doesn't approach me.
	That's where I come in.
	Sell me a coffee next week.
	Are you white and nerdy?
	As a new kiss.
	Sure.
	What's that?
	What's like how?
	Gotta get him white and nerdy or something.
	I like him white and nerdy.
	Do you guys all think that you guys are more attracted to a certain race?
	Or is it not a thing to you?
	Yeah, I used to be afraid of you.
	Vietnamese women.
	Sorry.
	Are you past that?
	That's why I would say that.
	I would say yes, but I've dated and I've been attracted to it.
	People have already.
	If I were to describe to you my dream guy, then yeah, I would have a specific race.
	Because I used to say to you, like, oh, I had a type of race, but when I look at my track record, it's all over the place.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The only thing I could say in common is usually they do have tan or skin.
	If they could be a white tan man or a light-skinned tan man or a Hispanic tan man, I do usually get drawn to that and like the brown features.
	But I don't think I've ever been like, oh, he's blonde and blue-eyed.
	Like, that's not my dog.
	When I was like hyper-feminist, like in my like 18 to 20 like age range, that's when I would be too afraid to admit that I like dated based on race or like that I had a certain type, but I'm not afraid to say it anymore.
	It's like, it is what it is.
	We all have our preferences.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with tough preferences.
	Did you say yes to Brandon?
	I said if he's white and nerdy.
	Oh, if he's white and nerdy.
	And then we start talking about racial preferences.
	Okay.
	The disdain in your voice.
	Cool.
	Cool, Julio.
	Okay, so did everyone else answer the?
	There was another question there.
	You were just doing closing comments.
	You were asking me a question, right?
	I talked about Big Labia, and then that was pretty much.
	I asked if you wanted kids.
	Big Labia check.
	I said I had an innie.
	Why would you ask me?
	Wait.
	Oh, no, the kids, the kids thing.
	The kids.
	Was that you or is that Kiko who asked?
	Yeah, I'll have seven kids would be good.
	Seven?
	Wow, you got to.
	You'll get you on.
	You better get started.
	You better get started.
	I got time.
	Yeah, he has a guy who's got a lot of people.
	Is that what the lapel means?
	Oh, the seven.
	Oh, yeah.
	How much was it to reveal what the lapel means?
	I don't.
	Well, the price was get my Clips channel to a million subscribers, then I'll reveal it.
	And I think that was the price.
	You say seven a lot.
	Huh?
	You like pick the number, like seven is your default number whenever a number is brought up.
	Seven's a good number.
	Wait, but what was I saying?
	There's a Bible verse.
	Let's go.
	There's a Bible verse.
	Holy nigga.
	Maybe you know it.
	It goes something along the lines of children are like children are like arrows in the hand of a warrior.
	That's beautiful, Brian.
	In his quiver.
	What's that?
	In his quiver.
	Wait, hold on.
	Children, quiver.
	Hold on, let me.
	You just told me not to mention, but I know.
	That's what I was going to say.
	You guys talk to me.
	This is Psalm 127, 3-5.
	Children are a heritage from the Lord.
	Offspring, a reward from him.
	Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth.
	Preach.
	I did it when I was young.
	I did a ray.
	Oh, blessed.
	I do agree.
	Hold on.
	Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them.
	Do they just turn into church right now?
	What's going on?
	You should be on episode with me.
	There's also like the cross to it, right?
	The quiver whole movement.
	I can't do it.
	Maybe that's for you.
	Me too.
	Me too.
	I just feel like I couldn't handle that.
	I would like seven children because I feel like my family is not huge.
	And I want to start that.
	I want to have a big family.
	I do too.
	That's wholesome.
	I want to have a big family, but I also understand economics and how the system works.
	So I want children like Elon.
	I can still have a very good life.
	I'm horrible life.
	Yeah.
	So seven's a little pushy.
	Three, four.
	We're sounding real good.
	I asked God if I could have four kids, three boys, one girl, when I was at a very, very young age, right?
	I forgot to ask for my partner, though.
	So God gave me what I asked for.
	He just didn't do it right.
	You know, that's like a little.
	That's actually crazy.
	But I have three boys, one girl.
	What are the odds?
	Hey.
	You got what you asked for.
	I got what I asked for.
	But a little too well.
	A little too accurate.
	Wait, here's the thing.
	Let's say, how many children do most of you want?
	Like two or three or something?
	Three.
	Let me ask you a question, though.
	Let's say your husband really wants a son and you end up having two or three daughters.
	Right.
	And he's like, really, really wants a son.
	Do you keep going?
	Are we financially?
	If we could financially afford it, I would try again, but we're stopping at five.
	Because me, I have to have at least one son.
	I get that kind of card.
	I want to carry on the name, to carry on.
	No, I just want a son.
	I get a daughter.
	I just want a son.
	I want a son.
	Because I feel like I couldn't relate as much to a daughter.
	See, my boyfriend always says, I just know I'm not going to have any daughters.
	I know I'm only going to produce sons.
	And I'm like, you keep saying that.
	And you're going to get all daughters.
	I'm like, yeah, and I don't want all daughters.
	So shut up.
	Women are just more complex in so many ways.
	In my opinion, it would be probably fairly easy to raise them when they're younger because they're just like less aggressive and rowdy.
	But the moment that they like get to the point where they're like hitting puberty and the hormones are coming, I would imagine it would be unbelievably challenging to parent a daughter relatively to some men.
	But a son, like a daughter.
	The worst thing you could happen with a daughter, she's a hoe.
	The worst thing you could have with the son, he's a mass murderer.
	I mean, it's like it's too very like a hoe and a mass murderer.
	I'd rather have a hoe daughter than a freaking master.
	It's almost as if minimalists.
	But the statistics.
	But my point is, though, like, I feel like a lot of people do say that all the time, like how scared they are to raise a daughter and da-da-da.
	But I feel like people are definitely negating how hard it is to raise a son.
	Not because I feel like they're going to become this aggressive violent man, but I feel like so many people place so much more effort on their daughters instead of their sons.
	And that's why we have so many emotionally unavailable men who don't know how to regulate or are forgotten because it's just as important to raise your son as it is to raise your daughter.
	This is your son, you're raising someone who's hopefully going to one day court a daughter and raise a family with him.
	And we all are saying how important it is for that man to be sound.
	So I feel like it's really big deal with raising young men, especially in this generation we're in now when there's a lot of things targeting them against their backs and stuff like that.
	So I feel like it's I'm very scared to raise a son, especially because I don't think my wait for ever do this to me if we had families.
	But I could not imagine having kids with someone, having sons, and then them leaving me and having to raise these sons as a single mother on my own.
	That's terrifying.
	Well, this begs the question.
	Gay son or thought daughter?
	That's what people always say.
	Okay.
	Let's wait.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me see.
	Did we get any more chats?
	Let me just double check.
	Okay.
	Nope, nope, nope.
	By the way, can I put in a good word for Brandon?
	The guy who's going to take you out on a coffee date.
	I mean, he already paid $5,000.
	Because that's $4,000 tonight.
	That's a pretty good word on its own.
	That is a foregone conclusion, the coffee date.
	There was one time we were in a locker room.
	And let me just say, this dude's like a fucking tripod.
	Like, what the fuck, bruv?
	Huge.
	It's huge.
	Pipe mount.
	Giant.
	So you actually know that.
	That would be painful.
	I don't believe that.
	No woman likes that, Brian.
	No woman likes a larger than average.
	What's that?
	Some people do, but they're lying.
	They're lying.
	They're angry.
	500, I think.
	I feel like there's your hand.
	All right, let's wrap up. Let's wrap up.
	All right.
	So, should we do an after-show?
	You want to?
	Sperm decides the gender, not the egg.
	I mean, who want to do like that?
	If it's really short.
	I think we just wrapped an hour.
	I think we're just going to go to the shop.
	What's the after-show?
	What are you guys doing now?
	The after-show, we dim the lights, and it's like kind of more chill.
	You just shoot the shit.
	If anybody's going to be.
	What are we going to do the past two hours?
	No, I'm not.
	Like, you don't have to stay for it.
	How about Madison?
	Do you want to do like 15-minute after-show?
	If it's 15 minutes.
	She's so down for this after-show right now.
	Someone said we should smoke a blunt after show.
	I'm down for that.
	I'm down for the moment.
	Well, if everyone's going to stay for the after-show, we might as well just.
	I feel like we've already been discussing.
	It's on for 15 more minutes.
	As soon as the champagne bottle came out, it was basically the after-show.
	We haven't really been on topic.
	We got a little bit for the birth control for a second, but the guy is on fire.
	Oh, Brandon?
	On fire.
	Hold on.
	Hit me up.
	So we got to get Brian's tolerance up.
	I don't think it's possible.
	I don't drink.
	Like, I rarely drink.
	You took like two sips.
	It's rare.
	Okay, guys, last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	We are going to do a very brief after-show, 10, 15 minutes.
	We're going to, by the way, if anybody, I know it's late, so you don't have to stay for the after show if you can excuse yourself.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously and kindly super chatted, donated, and supported the show tonight.
	You guys were, I very much appreciate your patronage tonight.
	Thank you guys.
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	07s in the chat if you're leaving.
	And if you're sticking around for the brief after show, I suppose you can also do some 07s in the chat.
	Go follow Billy Ray.
	Check out her clips.
	Follow DM Dating for all the...
	Oh!
	We got to run it.
	Okay, we got to run.
	We were going to pull up some of their videos, but they have some like really fucking base stuff.
	So go check them out.
	And go check out Mia's mask shop.
	Check out Madison's.
	She collects war antiques.
	Check out Priya's safari equipment.
	Check out Michaela.
	Michaela's medical advice.
	Bourbon famous stuff.
	Yeah.
	Bourbon, I guess.
	Check out Nicole's.
	Do you drink bourbon?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	After showing us tonight now.
	Oh, wow.
	That's cool.
	We like this all the time.
	Brian, this sauce is way better.
	This is way too much better at home.
	Oh, my God.
	That's how we started the after show.
	The reason why this was your favorite podcast is because, and I'm not saying this to pat my back or pat anyone else's back.
	First of all, I don't think we've ever had as many people who lean more toward this side on a panel.
	True.
	So that's for one.
	Secondly, a lot of the conversations were not like aggressively, culturally divided.
	I think there were actually quite a few, way more than I could have imagined, actual, somewhat productive dating conversations that occurred where I think I specifically saw a lot of you have your eyes open up and go, oh, wait a second, that actually kind of makes sense.
	Which is usually not, this is, again, not against him.
	That's not usually how the show goes.
	There's usually a lot of like a lot of like really, really like hotly divided topics in dating and then like aggressive cultural shit, right?
	Your trans debate.
	Crazy stuff about like patriarchy, patriarchy.
	I was hoping we're going to talk about Barbie.
	That would have been fun.
	But like, but like that kind of, but yeah, it was actually a conversation about the interdynamics of dating.
	That's not necessarily going to make for the most like crazy viral content.
	Right.
	Like I've been on this podcast, this might be like my, around my eighth time now.
	And there's about three podcasts I was on that go around.
	And it's because we hit on those hot topics.
	So I've been on here before where it was very cordial, kind of how it was tonight, but it was boring and I feel like I didn't really learn much.
	And we really just blabbed about nothing.
	Whereas tonight it was kind of a more productive tour was my favorite.
	But yeah, it's like those hot topics get hit.
	We bring up the Bible.
	We bring up trans, all these different topics.
	Especially when half the side of the panel is their this is their livelihood, right?
	This is what they do every day day in day out go on podcasts tweet and TikTok about parabonding and the Bible and these things whereas me He just DM'd me to come on the show and I said sure never even watching or viewing it one time.
	This isn't my livelihood.
	This isn't what I do for work or a career.
	So like for them, it makes sense for them to be sitting up all day researching these topics and these facts.
	Whereas me, no, I'm not going to go home after and Google Psalms this or parabonding this because it doesn't affect me on my day-to-day life.
	I'm a bartender.
	Like I don't make this content.
	So that's where we would bump heads a lot is because they would pull out all these facts or whatever and I'm just pulling out what I experience as a normal person.
	And yeah, that's kind of where we would bump heads.
	TTS, by the way, has been reduced to 20.
	So if you guys want to TTS, we bumped it all the way down to 20.
	To ask more questions.
	By the way, I know it was five and a half hours ago.
	Your story is probably going to get you onto the podcast to talk about the things that you want to talk about.
	You're going to go viral, don't you?
	Oh, it's terrible.
	Absolutely.
	Everything I didn't want to talk about, we talked about within the first second.
	It doesn't exist.
	Can I say?
	Like, I didn't want to talk about having my kids or anything.
	People respect that.
	But I will say, like, the way you talked about your family was incredibly respectful, wholesome.
	I could tell there's a lot of love shared between you, your kids.
	It sounds like you've gone out of your way to put an effort into making sure that they have both parents in their life to the best of your ability.
	You're very open about the reasons why you think you may have failed them and failed yourself.
	You didn't say anything horrifically bad about the men that you dated.
	I thought that that was like a very, very objectively good story for people to hear.
	Yeah, honestly.
	Because I don't think you're by any way propping it up as like the example of how people should start families and raise them.
	And there's a lot more people in her situation that like to lead on, especially in America.
	Yes.
	Yeah, but like, but again, that's a conversation that can get so freaking loaded so freaking fast.
	Like he wanted to move it on to like, okay, let's get like relationships at his age and all.
	And then we're into the dating conversations.
	Right.
	But like, that is a five and a half hour podcast in and of itself.
	So there's like 10 people that just said you're a simp.
	So that I'm a simp?
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	For having a beautiful girlfriend and being respected.
	Already, we're going to answer this question.
	He talks like this all day.
	Every day.
	I would have lost attraction a year and a half ago.
	Good.
	What previous or current guests on the show would you want to be on the panel with in the future?
	No idea.
	Hmm.
	I would like to get on with.
	Yes, I was just about to say Destiny.
	I'm sure you wouldn't.
	I was on with him.
	I can't.
	I can't.
	Yeah, he's too.
	He's a very good idea.
	I would like to be on with Pearl.
	Oh, I have some recent disagreements.
	Pearl, because it's such a joke to me.
	I mean, she's a grifter.
	And I asked why.
	That's one thing I don't agree with Destiny.
	Destiny tries to say that she's not a grifter.
	He entertains it.
	A grifter is someone who's just doing it for views.
	She believes what they believe.
	They just see it as a way to make money online.
	She admitted in a video in a car that in her car that she was just looking for ways to make money.
	She's been exposed multiple times.
	Yeah, she's literally admitted it, that like she's just looking for ways to make money.
	And then she found that getting into the red pill space and saying wild things like divorce repeal the 19th Amendment.
	We have to take away all of women's rights, that divorce should be banned, like all of this stuff.
	She doesn't believe anything that she says.
	She doesn't lead with good faith.
	She tries to be the bad wife.
	There was a lot of like it's almost like Tate.
	Like they point out things that are wrong and there's value in that, but just recently, um, I don't know, she kind of lost me.
	Yeah, which could she do recently?
	Like there's been a lot of stuff.
	I don't know.
	I feel like she should have lost her.
	She's going on the extreme.
	There was just comments about underage stuff.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	I just, she's just, well, that's why I think that she's bad faith.
	She takes it too far.
	She doesn't understand the ramifications of what she's saying.
	She doesn't actually personally.
	Like, at least Andrew Tate's a good grifter where you could leave it.
	Like it's believable.
	Yeah.
	I don't know him.
	It's hard.
	Like you almost don't believe he's grifting because he's so good at it.
	Whereas like with Pearl, she tries to be this trad wife, and it's like so obvious that it was like this tomboy-ish girl that just threw on a dress.
	Like everything she didn't know how to be feminine.
	She's an example of something that she said that is she said that we should ban divorce.
	She said that 16-year-olds are more attractive than 26-year-olds.
	That's literally 20 unwed.
	Brandon Mill said, DM do Mia.
	Also, Pearl gives men a bad name.
	Pearl does give men a bad name.
	I totally agree with that.
	And women as well.
	I know we actually have a little bit of a disagreement on this one.
	Well, no, it's because, again, I just'm taking the words very literally that she's saying.
	He doesn't have a Twitter, so he hasn't seen the two.
	Her Twitter is worse.
	I've seen it.
	Like, she's shown me the stuff where it's like, hey, like, don't get your, like, don't get your kids in sports because that's feminism because you're giving your kid over to someone else who's going to be potentially raising them and things like that.
	Yeah, I would never say that because I would love for my kids to play sports.
	It's the best thing you could put your kids in.
	Some of the best lessons that I've learned in life has been through athletics and through sports, right?
	Teams.
	Just basic competition, teamwork, the role that you play in whatever endeavor you're going towards, right?
	The respect for authority, climbing the ladder, being a leader, like all these different things.
	Having to, what is it?
	Hard, hard, hard work for the sake of one specific goal, right?
	And then there's like micro goals.
	There's all these different things you learn.
	So that's the kind of thing where I'm just like, I hope that that's just a message to kind of get the point across that women are a little bit more absent from their kids' lives than they used to be.
	But when you say it literally, if you actually believe that, I fundamentally disagree with that.
	I think it's too radical.
	You'd hope that she'd be like that.
	But she's literally saying that women don't have the right to vote.
	Like women shouldn't have the right to vote.
	But she was saying that feminism is so bad that we should go back to first wave feminism and repeal all of that.
	I think that's ridiculous.
	I think fourth-wave feminism is the problem, and fifth-wave feminism is where we come back to everything.
	Amen.
	It's a very thing.
	Things have to get as bad as they can possibly get before they can get better.
	Depending on what she has, she has sort of a black pill take on a lot of this stuff.
	Yes.
	But on the other hand, she's also, like, I know for that she either already released or is working on a documentary about divorce.
	And you should see some of the interviews that she has done with people who have gone through divorces.
	Like, you would be unlike the red flags that she raises for men in terms of know this before you get married.
	Know this before you start dating a woman.
	Know that when she does this, she might be trying to trap you.
	Like, she showed text messages or talked about text messages of women talking to their friends, being like, I'm trying to get him to hit me, but he just won't.
	Like, like, shit like that.
	Where it's like, these are real things.
	But do you think she's good faith?
	Do I think she's good faith?
	Because, like, I agree with you.
	Those are important topics to raise, right?
	But do you think she's doing it in good faith?
	Is really the question.
	Again, I don't want to pass any judgment like that.
	I think that she was, I think that she started doing something because it was something that she probably cared about.
	And then she got bigger.
	And now she has a platform and she sort of found meaning in it.
	And now she's like, what's the most impact that I can have without being untruthful, right?
	Without being false.
	So if she's pushed.
	So again, is she pushing an agenda?
	Maybe.
	Of course she is.
	But I don't think she's grifting, right?
	Like a grifter is literally taking something that you don't believe and just pushing it for the sake of pushing it because it's going to benefit you.
	I don't think she believes that she's pushing it.
	That's what we're saying.
	You can think that.
	She admitted it.
	She admitted to it.
	She admitted it.
	And in her car video, when she's talking about moving to London, how she wants people in London to contact her for like employership or whatever, she mentions that.
	Testing tolerance donated $20.
	Black shirt.
	I worked in the cell industry for years.
	We have the data and I have the anecdotes to convince me.
	It's better to check their purse and their cars.
	Women have learned to hide things in ways that men don't think of.
	You can grant good faith.
	There's a lot of stuff in my glory in my life.
	And what's this in context?
	Yeah, I don't understand the fact that you're not.
	The cheese that women are better at hiding than checking the phone.
	Again, would I encourage people to be observant?
	Again, I don't know how many times I had to say pattern recognition.
	Like, you can't just live like an unconscious, like, so many people are not self-aware enough to do that.
	I don't know.
	Like, I'm like hyper-aware of my surroundings all the time.
	Have you noticed?
	Like I, it just, so if something was off, if something was different, like I would just, it would resonate.
	And then if it remained different or got even more different, strayed further from equilibrium, like, you just call it out.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	I think the overall meaning is if you feel a doubt in your mind about something, just ask them.
	Instead of trying to sneak around and check their phone or sneak around and check that, have a conversation.
	As soon as that feeling comes up, though, instead of being like having these doubts in your mind, not saying anything about it or doing anything about it, let it festering inside of you until you basically convince yourself that they're in a full-blown relationship with somebody else and then do something about it.
	It's like, no, as soon as you notice something, it's making you feel a certain way, nip it in the butt, ask them about it, get your answer.
	I don't know, like, again, like, everyone who keeps talking about this, I don't know what to tell you if you simply don't have a barrier at which you are willing to trust a woman.
	Like, I don't know what to say.
	Like, like I said earlier, it gets deep.
	How much can you really trust anybody?
	At a certain point, if you want to be in a relationship, if you want to do something long-term, if you want to build a nuclear family, if you want to have kids, stay with that woman, like you either decide that you're going to take that risk or you don't.
	I'm willing to take that risk.
	And again, I'm going to be observant of my surroundings and look for things, and I'm obviously going to vent, or not vent, vet somebody very, very diligently before I decide to commit to them long-term, especially as a man whose assets would 100% be on the line if divorce were to ever come.
	But again, it's just a matter of being conscientious and just being very, very purposeful with your actions and how you go about this and how you pursue it.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	How would you advise a woman to go about approaching a man in public in any capacity?
	I mean, it's not, it shouldn't be nearly as difficult as it is for a man to a woman.
	Like, a man, like, I don't think a man's going to be creeped out by a woman.
	It's not being tidacious.
	So, like, I don't know, just go up and start.
	I know it sounds pretty basic, but like, if you just go up and start a conversation with a man, as long as it's not in the middle of the day and you're like, hey, would you like kiss me for a dollar?
	Where they clearly know it's like some TikTok thing that you're doing.
	So what's a good, like, opening line?
	Like, what's a good, like, complimentary?
	I genuinely want to know about this.
	Like, I go to clarify.
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	Pria skydiving slash universal after a first date drink on.
	Priya nice shirt matches the blue eyes.
	I can't have eyes, but I'm sure our kids can.
	Brian sent the safari hat photo on DMPS simple Tuguese and Indian.
	I don't know.
	Did you send it to the whatever page?
	I don't know if I see it.
	Oh, I forgot to do this during the outro.
	I don't know if he's still in here.
	Oh.
	What?
	Frankiek donated $20.
	If you truly want to successfully formulate and maintain a nuclear family, you need bacon, These are grown-ass man.
	They have too much time over here.
	Brown-ass man.
	But I genuinely want to.
	Like, I mean, I have, I have a, not a counter, but it, uh, Jesus Christ.
	Okay.
	So, you know, Wait, wait, what?
	One real quick thing here.
	Salute.
	Salute.
	You, ah.
	Like, these are the men messaging building that they can't find a woman.
	Like, this is what I mean.
	Like, sometimes you do chill yourself.
	Okay.
	Arah.
	This is my point.
	Arah.
	Uh-uh.
	Arah.
	Can we get back to the point, please?
	No woman is ever going to see that and be like, I want to hit up Brian.
	I love you.
	I genuinely want to know what a good pickup line for a man is.
	Like, Jenny, $20 horrible idea.
	Salute to Brandon Mels.
	I forgot to say that.
	Salute slash excuse.
	So that would finally end up with a lot of people.
	Salute, salute.
	Salute.
	My thoughts are that I've been called not Wednesday, but Thursday.
	My boyfriend said you like Wednesday.
	Why does everyone say it with Jenna Ortega?
	Listen, I'll take it.
	I'll take it.
	She's beautiful and great.
	But I actually want to know what is a good pickup line because when I'm in mass and we're at a young adult mass and we go to a bar afterwards, we're supposed to mingle.
	The men are over here and the women over here.
	And the women are super like quiet and whatever.
	And the men are just like in a separate whatever because they don't want to be predacious, right?
	But I am a very outspoken, outgoing woman.
	I would like to know how to build the confidence to talk to a man.
	Can I tell you what my like go-to advice pickup line for a guy would be?
	Well, this is for a guy.
	But it should work for a girl too.
	Like, hey, I'm not interrupting anything, am I?
	You do that.
	They're either going to say like, no, you're not.
	And you follow it up with, like, I'm sure you were talking about something.
	And they start the conversation for you.
	That's cheap.
	Or they go, like, oh, we were just talking about, and now you're into the conversation.
	I'm sure you're too.
	Like, that is one that is fairly easy.
	But again, pickup lines, it's not.
	An opener is just about getting their attention, getting the conversation.
	You know, but I'm nervous.
	Okay, I'm nervous.
	Is that the one thing that you said?
	What is the line that you said to you?
	Hey, I'm not interrupting anything, am I?
	That's it.
	So Dan and I were out in, was it Philadelphia?
	Boston.
	With his friends, and they were talking about how they can get girls' numbers.
	And I was like, I want to see how quickly you could get a girl's number.
	I was encouraging my buddy to go get a girl's number.
	He said, no, why don't you do it?
	So I was like, so his friends, so you were like, are you okay with that?
	And I was like, yeah, I want to see if you can get their number.
	So I stayed back with his friends, and he walked up to a group of girls and within like 45 seconds used that line and got the number.
	Have you ever like done the same thing?
	No.
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	Let's get through the super chats after this.
	I missed Latina's name because I tuned in a little late.
	To pick up a guy.
	Hi, I'm Jenny Ortaker.
	I thought you were really cute and I wanted to know if you would like to grab a coffee sometime.
	Either now or later if you're busy at the moment.
	Oh, that's good.
	Again, guys.
	I want to answer her, too.
	Guys are so much easier.
	I know.
	Hold on.
	We got to wrap up.
	Can I just please this rule?
	Okay, make it quick, please.
	I've noticed when I was bartending and had to like, man would be sitting at the bar and trying to get tips.
	A joke about anything.
	I know you don't want funny people, but like, you know, say you're at a bar, right?
	And someone falls or anything.
	Like, just making a not super mean joke, but like just making fun in something, like, just like real quickly.
	Not even having to say hi first.
	Like, if you're, you see someone, maybe sit close to them if you can, something happens, and then just be like, I don't know, like, get a little my head, but like, that usually they really dig that, and you can start a great conversation off of that.
	And it can either go platonic or relationship-wise.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Kiko, top performer, of course, black shirt.
	At certain point, you have to trust a woman, but men vastly underestimate their ability to see red flags.
	Check for that second cell phone, guys.
	Don't be tracking your woman or looking attract her socials like a P-word, probably.
	Okay.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	All right, let me get through these.
	We did this one, correct?
	Correct.
	All right.
	This one or no?
	Yo, Mr. Capitoshio, good to see you, man, in the chat.
	This was arguably one of the most beautiful panels in a long time, and only one OF girl.
	Have any of you played Dungeons and Dragons?
	Just show of hands.
	Have you played?
	I'm really embarrassed.
	The new movie is really good, though.
	She has over there.
	Okay, there you have it.
	All right, we have Ransom G here.
	Y'all be blessed beyond belief to meet Rolo Tomasi.
	Changed my life for the better, but I have my issues too.
	Would love to see Billy Priya and Kiko meet him.
	Also, Nicole, did you like the Rich Cooper interview?
	Well, as far as Rolo, actually, we were going to have him on the show with Mike Sartegna.
	But yeah, maybe in the future.
	You were going to have him on Tuesday?
	Yes.
	Yeah, but he couldn't make it.
	Yeah, Rich had me on his podcast, and I liked it a lot.
	Rich was great.
	After your appearance here or before?
	After.
	They saw me here and said, do you want to come?
	And I said, sure.
	Oh.
	I liked being on his show.
	Rich is awesome.
	Yeah.
	What did he talk to you about?
	Gosh, what did we talk about?
	We talked about, we talked about monogamy versus polygamy.
	We talked about marriage.
	We talked about relationships.
	Yeah, it was much more about relationships.
	Like, what are your views on marriage?
	What's a marriage dynamic?
	Like, how do you see that?
	We talked about girls' trips, whether we're pro or con, girls' trips.
	Are girls' trips different from guys' trips?
	We kind of went into all of it, but I really enjoyed being on his show.
	He is a good listener.
	And I liked it.
	I would go back.
	I think I might be going back, but it was cool.
	We have Khalizz McGuire with the 25.
	Hey, thank you, Khalizzi Maguire.
	We have Mike Y. Who's that beautiful girl with the hat?
	Is that Madison over there?
	Just on every episode.
	And we have Mark Wavius Martin.
	There's a vicious rumor going around that Priya's shirt is not actually silk.
	I didn't say it was silk.
	I said it was satin.
	She had to clear that out for you real quick.
	All right, cool.
	All right, that's it for the super chats.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	We're going to wrap up.
	Last call.
	Please hit the like button on your way out.
	As I previously mentioned, we will be live again Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific with our next dating talk.
	Oh my God.
	Shout out to Brandon once again.
	Salute.
	Salute for the very generous patronage tonight, man.
	Much appreciated.
	Do you say that ironically a lot?
	All the time.
	What was the other thing?
	Oh, can we pull up the Twitch?
	Unironically.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
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	Be honest, be direct, and stop worrying about feelings.
	They may not like it, but it gets the point across.
	Communication will lead to successful relationships more than anything else.
	When in doubt, speak or peace out.
	Great panel, Brian.
	Keep it up, ALM.
	I think that that's great advice when things need to be addressed.
	Thank you, Technics.
	Appreciate it.
	ALM.
	That's our previous all-labia matter, but we switched it to big labia matter.
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	Hey.
	Brian.
	What's Frank Castle?
	It's like, don't worry about it.
	Okay, guys, we'll see you again Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
	07 is in the chat.
	Good night, guys, and we'll see you later.
	Bye.

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