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July 24, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Dating Talk #86

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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
Go ahead.
I'm Essie.
I'm 24, and I'm a social media manager, and I also do OnlyFans.
Okay, welcome.
NIE 21 Student and OnlyFans.
Welcome back.
Hi, I'm Karen.
I'm 31, and I'm a porn star.
All right, what about you?
I'm Brooke.
I'm 24, and I do content online, such as OnlyFans.
Okay.
I'm Azalea.
I'm 31.
I'm an aviation worker and an OnlyFans girl.
When you say aviation worker, what do you mean by that?
I work on planes.
Are you the baggage loader?
No, flight attendant.
Oh, you're flight attendant.
Yes.
Okay.
Domestic or international or both?
Both.
Is there one that's more primary?
Honestly, wherever in the world they want to send me.
Okay.
Are you like major airline or on the feed?
Can you disclose which airline are?
No.
That's fine.
That's fine.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Allie Hardesty, aka Alley Gators.
I'm a YouTuber, OnlyFans model, and I also have my own podcast.
Okay.
My name's Nev.
I'm 20 and I make and sell soap.
Bro, that's not what you're a student at UCSB.
You don't sell soap.
Yes, I do.
I do, I do.
I do sell soap on the side.
Where on Etsy?
No, no, I just sell soap.
Just like on the street corner?
I sell soap.
All right.
Okay, cool.
Wait, sorry, what was your age again?
26.
26.
Thank you, thank you.
Okay.
What about you?
My name is Amy Dangerfield.
I'm 27 and I do high ticket sales.
High ticket sales, what's that?
High ticket sales is just selling a product or service that's high in value, so usually over $10,000.
But I've worked in industries such as BDOS, big data as a service, automation, and recently education and courses.
Okay.
What about you?
My name is Naomi.
I'm 31.
I'm a respiratory therapist, and I also do worship leading at church.
Worship leading?
Are you a pastor?
Oh, you're a musician, okay?
Yeah, me and my twin sister, me and my twin sister both.
Okay, rock and roll.
Okay.
Just going back to you, you say you do big ticket sales.
High ticket sales.
High ticket sales.
Yes, sir.
Do you sell art?
Or what do you do?
No, so high ticket sales just means a product or service over $10,000.
And so you make a percentage commission of whatever product or service you sell, depending on your industry.
Yeah, what's an example of something you might sell?
Yeah, for sure.
So currently I am working an offer in the real estate industry.
They offer a mentorship.
The guy in question has flipped over 1,200 properties over a period of a decade.
And so he sells a mentorship service that is like $10,000 to $15,000.
So when I help facilitate that sale, I get a percentage of the overall commission.
Okay.
Of the overall price, which is my commission.
Rock and roll.
Very cool.
Okay, we're going to go around the table once more.
So current relationship status.
So are you single?
Talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married.
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And your longest relationship.
Go ahead.
Oh, I really don't want to answer this.
I'm single and I've been single for six years.
Okay, single, single for six years.
What was your longest relationship?
I think it was like six months.
It was when I was like 17, yeah.
Yeah, because you're 24, right?
So six years ago, you would have been.
The six years ago, that was your six-month relationship.
Right.
Okay, it ended six years ago.
Okay.
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Okay, so six years, been single.
Longest relationship, six months.
It was like a high school romance.
Why have you been single for six years?
What's going on?
I've dated off and on.
I don't know.
I don't know why.
I know why I've been single.
I'm working on my character defects right now, which is probably feeds into why I've been single for so long.
Yeah, character defects.
Yeah, yeah.
I have like a bad habit of like ignoring red flags and dating people that are bad for me because I'm used to like the toxic behavior.
So I'm trying to like take contrary action to not do that in the hopes of getting into a healthy relationship.
How's that working out?
It's working really good, actually.
It's getting better.
Yeah.
I think with practice and like dating over time, I'll probably find somebody.
When's the last time you dated a guy who you ignored the red flags for?
I'd say like a year ago.
A year ago.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And that was like a short-term situationship type thing?
It was like six months of dating.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, I mean, that's fairly recent.
But you wouldn't consider, you still considered yourself single in that.
Yeah, there was like no conversation about exclusivity until that six months when I brought it up.
And then he was like, I just don't think I'm comfortable with being exclusive.
And I was like, well, what was this whole six months of getting to know each other for?
Good times.
What are the, you mentioned character defects.
What are we talking about here?
Yeah, my character defects are just things that are like my fault and what I do wrong to like have like these toxic shitty relationships.
So yeah, like I said, like I just have a bad habit of like wanting to be loved.
So I like take on people that like are serial daters or like me like ignoring those red flags and other people.
Yeah, I like, yeah, basically would just date people that were bad for me, if that makes sense.
Okay.
Got it.
But for that, for a six-year period, you haven't had, for example, a boyfriend?
No.
No, unfortunately.
And is that because you just haven't found the right guy?
Yeah, I think it's just a process of like fixing myself so I'm ready for the right partner.
But also like there's certain things that I feel like you can't fix being single.
There's like things that you have to work on while being in a relationship with somebody or dating somebody.
So I think, yeah, it just takes time.
Have you ever slashed somebody's tires?
I have not.
Okay.
I have not.
I'm not making assumptions.
I was just curious.
I'm not making assumptions.
What about you?
I'm single.
I've been single for two years.
My longest relationship was a little over a year.
Okay.
You've been single for two years, you said?
Yeah.
Any so you were last on the podcast a couple months ago.
Any little situations popping up since your appearance?
Any dudes sliding into the DMs?
Yeah, a lot of them, but not that I'm interested.
None that you're interested in.
Yeah.
Okay.
But I have talked to like a few guys.
Okay.
Or maybe just one guy, I think.
No, no, no romances in I fall in love very fast.
Really fast.
Yeah.
You fall out of love very fast too.
Yeah, I do.
Okay, good times.
Good times.
But then I end up missing them.
Like I'll leave first and then I'll be like, no, come back.
Sure.
What about you?
And just one note, just if you can, scoot a little bit into the table because you are getting a little bit blocked.
But go ahead.
Okay, so I'm single and I've been single for about two months.
Two months?
Okay.
Yeah.
Longest relationship?
About two years.
And was that your last relationship?
No.
Okay.
So single for two months.
All right.
What about you?
Okay, so I'm in a relationship.
It's over a year now.
Okay.
My longest relationship was a year and a half.
Got it.
What about you?
I'm in a relationship.
I have been for about a year and a half, and my longest relationship is two years.
Okay.
And question.
So you're a flight attendant, right?
Yes.
How often do you have flights?
Once a week, twice a week, three times a week?
It depends on the month.
This month I'm on call for work, so could be four flights a week.
It could be six days a week that I'm gone.
It just really depends.
Do you take your partner boyfriend with you?
He's on my flight benefits, so if he's free and wants to come with me, he's more than welcome to.
Okay.
But maybe he has a job, so he can't await.
Yeah, he owns a production company, so he has a pretty busy freelance schedule, so it kind of works out.
Okay.
Was that ever an issue either in previous relationships or perhaps at the start of your current relationship, like how frequently you were traveling?
Current relationship, not really an issue.
Previous relationships, definitely an issue.
It was kind of like I would date people that it was very out of sight, out of mind.
So if I was gone, they didn't really care.
Or, you know, yeah, that kind of thing.
Got it.
Okay.
What about you?
I feel like I would classify a lot of my dating life as complicated, but I'm single.
Complicated, okay.
Why is it complicated?
I was in a relationship.
I had met him near where I live.
I live in LA, well, Orange County.
But then they moved back to where they're from across the country.
So it became long distance.
And then we ended up breaking up.
I was sort of in like a friends with benefits situationship.
There's been a couple guys I've romantically tried to pursue, but nothing where it's been like committal again.
Okay.
What was your longest relationship?
Three years.
Three years.
How long has it been complicated?
Ever since we broke up.
Which was, sorry, remind me, when was that?
Like the end of 2021.
Okay.
So it's complicated, so there's kind of a guy in the picture currently.
Sometimes.
A girl in the picture.
I feel like I'm really all over the place.
For a while, I was seeing a girl.
Hey, thanks, Cheeks.
Being on OF alone is a toxic trait, and the only guy you of girls will get are the Simpai boys without any self-respect for their own family and friends.
Are there any decent women left that aren't in the industry or scam artists?
Chat, don't sub slash simp to them.
Do you guys have a response to beaten cheeks?
I would say that dating can be complicated while having an OnlyFans, but it's not impossible.
A lot of guys can deal with it and are supportive, in my experience.
Anybody else want to respond to Mr. Cheeks?
I would say that all the women I know that do have OnlyFans and participate in OnlyFans, their boyfriends are usually the most supportive and caring partners because they're not insecure.
What do you mean insecure?
Like, is it insecure for a guy to not want to date someone who does sex work?
I mean, not necessarily, but I mean, when you come with an opinion like that, being all negative about it and acting like women that do OnlyFans have no sort of stake or value in a relationship, then I would call you insecure, yes.
Got it.
So you're saying, Mr. Cheeks, beaten Cheeks.
He's insecure.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Cheeks?
All right.
There you go.
Anybody else have a little clap back at Cheeks or?
I would like to say something.
Mr. Cheeks, if you are looking for a girlfriend, I'm willing to quit OnlyFans if you will support me for a time.
I will cook for you, clean for you.
I will do anything that you need me to as a supportive girlfriend.
Just hit me up after the podcast.
Thank you.
Okay, all right.
There you go.
Well, Cheeks, so DMs are open for Cheeks?
Yes.
Does it bother you at all that his username is Beaten Cheeks?
Honestly, no, that intrigues me.
You're intrigued.
Yes.
Okay, all right.
I think this is perhaps one of your character flaws is being intrigued by people with strangely strange usernames on the internet.
So, okay.
Well, beaten cheeks or DMs are open.
Okay, well, thank you, man.
Appreciate it for your good to see you back in the chat.
Nev, what is the relationship?
I'm taken.
Oh, here we go.
Seven deadly sins donated $100.
Yeah, thank you.
777 Decillion, 777, No Nillian, 777 Notillion, 777 Septillion, 777 Sextillion, 777 Quintillion,
777 Quadrillion, 777 Trillion, 777,777,777,777 name seven books.
Wow, seven deadly sins.
That was poetic.
Here, I almost want to do a coin flip because I won't have everybody name seven books.
Anna.
Anai.
Anai.
Okay, I'm going to try to get it right.
Name seven books?
I don't read.
You read?
Not really.
You read it.
You were reading the comments.
Yeah, I read the comments.
I read my TikTok comments.
That's about it.
You read at an above college level.
Oh.
No, I don't.
I read at like a fifth grade level.
I really don't.
I don't read.
I was going to say.
It hurts.
How about name seven books?
Yeah, okay.
So non-fiction.
So non-fiction would be like Harry Potter, The Alchemist.
Fiction would be like Think and Grow Rich, Outwitting the Devil, How to Win Friends and Influence People, 12 Rules of Life by Jordan Peterson.
And then, oh, that's another good one that I really like.
Oh, you said non-fiction for Harry Potter.
Oh, did I flip them around?
I mean, fiction versus non-fiction.
Sorry about that.
And then the last one.
Oh, atomic habits.
That's actually probably one of my favorite ones.
Oh, okay.
Did you have you wanted to come in on this?
I was just going to point out that there's a bookshelf right behind you.
Oh, no.
I can even read that far or see that far.
Clever.
Clever.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Nev, go ahead.
Okay.
Genesis, in order.
Genesis, Exodus.
No, no, no, no.
Just Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, Samuel Kings, Francis.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's like more than seven.
Also, Diary of Wimpy Kid, Dog Days.
Word.
Relationship status stuff.
Oh, okay.
I am taken.
My longest relationship was two years.
What was the other question?
How long have you been in this relationship?
Well, I've been seeing him for a bit, but we've been officially dating for two months.
So, question: When you were last on, you were also in this kind of situation.
Is this the same guy or a different guy?
Same guy.
Okay.
Was he upset at all?
Because on the last show, you were kind of like simping for Chase.
I wouldn't say I was simping.
I'd say I admired him.
You were enthralled by the just for the rest of the panel, for context, one of the other male panelists on the show.
You were kind of into him and you were kind of simping on him.
I was simping.
No, no, no, no.
Chat, was she simping?
She was simping.
She was simping.
Did that have an impact on your relationship?
Yeah, it kind of did.
Was he upset?
He was upset, yeah.
But like, again, I wasn't really simping.
I was just like, well, this guy's kind of cool.
Like, not cool in a dump my boyfriend.
No, no, no, no.
He's too old for me.
You're trying to start problems now.
No, I'm not trying to start problems.
No, no, no, no.
I just thought it was cool with his like Bible stuff.
Like, I like really, because I grew up in a really, really fun household.
So I was just.
Yeah, thank you, Cheeks.
I don't have lame TikTok.
Igor, Facebook, only Twitter.
Amy can back me on me being a real person from Suscast Live the IP event.
Bowtie guy.
Any girl that thinks I'm insecure because I don't want my women nude for my future kids to see is delusional.
Shout out to you, Bow Thai guy.
Yeah.
Shout out, Bow Thai guy.
Okay.
Do you guys go ahead?
It's not that you're insecure because you don't want to date a woman that has an OnlyFans.
You're insecure for speaking negatively on women that choose to do it.
You don't have to date an OnlyFans girl.
You don't.
But speaking negatively on them does make you insecure.
Well, women oftentimes belittle and make jokes about guys who are short, and oftentimes things that guys don't oftentimes have control over.
So two wrongs make a right now.
No, I agree with what you're saying.
And I for an eye leaves the whole world blind, but it's very common and prevalent in our culture, so we can't act like it's shocking or he's a terrible person when it's something that's so normalized in our society.
I didn't say he was terrible.
I just said he was insecure.
Yeah, whatever.
Cheeks, I mean, apparently you're still insecure, you know, so I don't know if you have any thoughts on that.
You didn't address Essie over here inviting the DM.
So I don't know.
Cheeks, I'll put in a good word.
Okay.
Who was I think you were telling us about how you nearly lost your relationship because you were enamored by Chase on the show?
I wasn't enamored by Chase.
I was just like, oh, this guy, I like his politics.
I like what he's saying.
You know, I'm going to listen to him.
But the guy was upset post-show, your boyfriend or whatever.
I could totally understand why.
Like, I could totally see that.
Why was he upset?
Because I rated Chase higher than he rated himself.
Like, I think Chase said he was an eight.
And I said, I think you're selling yourself shorts.
But like, I didn't mean it like that.
Yeah, I think there's also some other things too.
In any case, we'll move on.
What about you?
Relationships, situations?
No, I'm single for about two months.
My longest relationship was nearly four years, which was my most recent one.
Okay, so that's pretty fresh for your relationship.
Why did he dump you?
I think that we realized that we were going on very different paths.
I wanted something that was a little bit more traditional.
I've realized that, you know, I don't necessarily want to do what I do forever.
Eventually I want the more traditional lifestyle of just like a family, kids, that kind of thing.
And it didn't really resonate at the time, although I think maybe his reconsidering, possibly.
So you wanted family kids and he didn't?
Well, it's funny because he always said that that's the thing that he wanted.
And I'm not trying to say that that's not what he wants as an absolute, but I think he just really wants to focus on his career and himself over the period of the next several years.
Which I understand, you know, he's going into his prime.
He's turning 30 at the end of this year.
You know, it's time for a man to do that kind of thing, you know?
Have you had a rebound yet?
No, not quite yet.
No rebound?
Not quite yet.
Not quite yet.
Okay.
Was he also Australian?
No, he's American.
We met in Hawaii.
I moved to Maui, Hawaii originally when I moved from Australia.
I was there for about three years.
We met pretty soon after I moved there, but started dating maybe like, I don't know, a year and a half after knowing each other.
Okay.
Yeah, so we were friends beforehand.
And so you currently live in Hawaii?
No, no, no.
We both moved to Miami from Hawaii a couple years ago.
Yeah.
Got it.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
Me?
I am single and celibate for three years and four months since March 2020.
Pandemic.
Okay.
Pandemic kind of broke everybody in a way.
Three years, four months.
Celibate.
Celibate.
Okay.
I get lots of attention, granted.
I won't say that I get a lot of attention, a lot of DMs.
But they're all the wrong dudes.
No godly men these days.
Okay.
And what was your longest relationship?
Probably 2018.
It was a year and a half.
1.5 years.
Okay.
So you're, as of 3.4 months ago, or 3.4.
Sorry, 3 years, 1 months ago.
Yes.
You've been celibate.
Yeah.
But you were not celibate prior to that, correct?
Correct.
Okay.
And now, so are you waiting until marriage?
Waiting until marriage.
Trying to do it the right way.
The moral way.
biblical way.
Were you not religious prior to?
I was, but I wasn't perfect.
I was, but I wasn't perfect.
Still not perfect.
Did you have like a party phase or like a...
Not a huge party or no.
Okay.
Okay.
Nope.
Okay.
So would you also want to, I assume you want to date a guy who's also celibate?
Yes, hopefully so.
That would be great.
Would it bother you?
Like, let's say you meet a guy and he's godly.
Well, I don't know if what I'm about to say would disqualify him as being godly, but he loves you, whatever, but he wants to sleep with other women until then he wouldn't be a godly man.
You know what I mean?
If he's fornicating, he's not, you know what I mean?
Fair enough.
He's not at least trying.
Oh.
Oh.
Alvin Sam donated $100.
Hey, thank you, man.
To the of girl, it's not a matter of insecurity.
If you stepped out of your box, the average man and woman would find OnlyFans unacceptable.
Men have standards because they worked hard for their freedom.
Get over it.
Oh.
I mean, you're kind of just still negating my point.
If you don't want to date a girl that doesn't have OnlyFans, that's totally fine.
Everybody has preferences.
Preferences aren't an issue.
But when you're being rude to other people, I think that you're insecure for that.
And my opinion's not going to change on that.
I have a question for him.
Would an OnlyFans girl date you?
Just wondering.
Can I say something also?
I feel like it's definitely a personal preference on if you want to date an OnlyFans girl or not.
But my question to him is: are there levels to that?
Like, if it's an OnlyFans girl who does swimsuit stuff or does lingerie, or is like nudity his boundary?
I'm just curious to know if there, if it's just like strictly if she has an OnlyFans, it's a no-go, or if there's like levels to it.
It's a good question.
Fair.
Because there are, you know, degrees to this shit, you know?
Like, so I have a question for Cheeks and Alvin.
What about it?
Like, you know, what if there's like no BG content, you know?
Yeah.
No BG.
Because like you have like a girl who's posting lingerie photos who could do OnlyFans all the way to a girl who's like doing gangbangs and shit.
Like, you know, like there's a difference, you know?
You know?
I mean, the women that do OnlyFans and are in lingerie or swimsuits, it's basically the same thing as a sports illustrated model or a Victoria's Secret model.
So if you would date a Victoria's Secret model, it's pretty much one in the same.
Same type of content.
I think that someone not wanting their girlfriend to have an OnlyFans is perfectly reasonable.
I don't think it's a matter of insecurity.
I think it's respecting their boundaries because everybody has boundaries coming into a relationship.
And to say that that's solely based on insecurity is kind of stupid because, you know, there's other factors that play into it.
I think what the comment says is he's saying, like, oh, the average man won't want an OnlyFans.
That is an OnlyFans girl.
But I've met a lot of average men that have really great jobs that think it's cool that I have an OnlyFans.
And they even support it.
And they're like, oh, like, let me subscribe.
Like, send me the link.
Hold up.
Okay, and I'll get you in here in just a sec.
Okay, so question for you on that, though.
Can we all agree that men will say anything to get laid?
Like, so couldn't they just be like, they might not genuinely believe that, but they're just gassing you up to try to get some?
That could be a possibility, but some of them haven't slept with me.
I don't think that most men would like it, though, personally.
Like, most of them are.
Yeah, some.
Maybe some.
There are a minority of men who will like it.
It just reflects on their values and like boundaries.
Like I said, I don't think that has anything to do with insecurity or anything like that.
And like, it's really hard to find a man who will respect the OnlyFans and endorse that stuff, who will stay.
Like, it's very, like, I don't know.
It's sort of just.
I'll get you the lady $100.
Thank you.
OnlyFans, period.
Plenty of beautiful, feminine women throughout the world.
You're not that special.
You're competing against women who offer more to the table.
We aren't waitresses.
Yeah.
Why we're pretty?
That's about it.
We're not.
Don't you work at Red Lobster?
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
I have not worked.
I have not, what is it, clocked into a job since I was 18.
So.
Oh, wow.
All right.
Beaten Cheeks donated $99.
Tatted up of girl in blue.
You are cool.
Ask Brian for my Twitter.
He's got it.
I date girls with real value that have a body count under three and less than 16% body fat.
No OF girls at all.
Don't compare OF to SI, but I'll smash.
He'll smash.
He will smash.
I mean, I'm not into.
I'm not consideration.
Yeah, he took it into consideration.
Thanks.
I'm not interested.
Yeah.
But going back to the point previously, again, I said it's not an issue of having a personal preference.
It's totally fine to not want to date somebody that has an OnlyFans.
But when you're judging somebody, that doesn't make you a good person or a decent person.
And I believe that it makes you insecure if you're going to talk down on someone, even if it's not within your boundaries and your personal preferences, because you're still talking and judging somebody else.
That doesn't fit in your box.
Well, I don't think you can come up to you and say it on the street, but it's an inflammatory put cost where that's literally the point.
Like, that's why it came in.
It's not that surprising.
I don't think you'd say it to you on the street in person.
Like, that would be really disrespectful.
Okay, that's it.
But this type of environment kind of promotes that type of thing to occur.
And I'm fine with that, but I'm still allowed to make the point.
Okay, so I don't think that necessarily makes him insecure though.
Hold on.
You and then you, go ahead.
I was just going to say, I feel like in my experience, a lot of the time, men will say it's hot at first and they're like into it.
And then if you actually start to get serious with them, they can have some drawbacks and they kind of have to work through it.
And also, in my experience, it's sometimes easier to date men with like non-traditional jobs, like maybe they work in music or real estate, stuff like that.
Okay.
Go ahead.
I was going to ask a question that would change the subject a bit.
So if there's anything else that needs to be said.
Before we do that, we do need to have everybody.
Oh, I think everyone shared.
Oh, we were talking about celibacy.
So we'll come back to that.
Hold on to that thought really quick.
But Cheeks, thank you for your TTS.
Appreciate it.
Okay, so you're celibate.
Yeah.
You're waiting until marriage.
Close to the mic.
So how, because on our last show, we had a girl who she said the same thing.
She's waiting until marriage, but she said that she sinned two months ago.
Oh.
So she like hooked up with some dude, even though her standard is, okay, well, so are you pretty confident that you're going to hold to your celibacy?
Yes.
Okay.
Like there's not, you're not going to hold it.
Trust me, I learned the hard way.
I'm not a perfect person.
I've made mistakes.
You've made mistakes.
Yeah, it's going to push me to where I'm going.
One question on that.
Have you declared your celibacy at any point and then made a mistake?
No.
And then I've been walking in purity for three years and four months.
Three years, four months.
Would you be okay to date?
What if a virgin?
Would you date a virgin?
A 31-year-old virgin?
Yeah, I mean, he's celibate.
He's celibate, right?
Yeah, sure.
I don't care about that.
Yeah.
Okay.
With that.
But hopefully he's not like 22.
I mean, what 30, what older guy is a godly man?
Okay.
He's just been laden.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
I know a guy.
Okay.
What was your question?
Oh, I'm so sorry.
I forget your name.
Amy.
Amy.
I was going to ask you about your relationship, the one that was four and a half years.
You said it ended because he wanted kids and you weren't quite ready.
It wasn't necessary.
He does want kids long term, but the time period when I want kids, because I'm like turning 28 next month.
So there's a very limited period of time where I'm able to really actualize that versus his timeline.
So it was mostly a timeline thing versus absolute values.
I was going to say, I was just going to ask, because four and a half years is a long time.
And I would be very upset if my partner couldn't come to a compromise with me at that point about that.
So I was just wondering if he was just kind of stubborn on that topic and wasn't willing to make a compromise.
honestly the the breakup was really sudden and shocking to me um so it's so it's really it's really hard to go super like in depth on that because we didn't really have much time to reconcile it And it has been a couple of months since we may possibly be revisiting.
Not 100% sure, so it may be changing.
Was that that was the question?
Yeah, that was pretty much it.
I was just curious to know.
Okay, cool.
Let me get a couple super chats here.
We have Ghost.
Hello, Australian girl from FNF Live Event.
Hello, Ghost.
Hey, Ghost, thank you for your patronage.
Much appreciated, man.
Thank you.
We have Bender the Offender.
Ladies, what is the farthest you've gone to hide your past actions from a man you were romantically interested in?
Farthest you've gone to hide your past actions from a man.
What do you mean past actions?
I'm assuming he's talking like if you had a past of either promiscuity or wild partying, drug use possibly, anything like that.
Have any of you hidden your wicked and wild past from a partner?
Anybody?
No, I feel like if I'm entering a relationship with someone, I try to be 100% honest.
And if I'm not willing to do that, then we're just not going to get to that point of like vulnerability.
But I have nothing to hide, personally.
Me too.
I feel like I'm a pretty open book.
When I like somebody a lot, I'll like tell them everything, spill everything.
There's no holding me back.
A lot of trauma dumping.
A lot of trauma dumping.
Well, I think you sent us some notes for the pre-show, so maybe we can get into that.
Okay.
Let me see here.
I think what he's kind of getting at is, let's say, for example, you're meeting a new guy and he's kind of inquisitive as to your previous relationship situations and perhaps your previous sexual encounters.
So for example, body count, right?
Would any of you have an issue disclosing your body count to a new partner?
Would you be like, that's none of your business?
Anybody here?
Let's start with you.
I don't think that's like too crazy of a question to ask.
And if it's somebody that I'm seeing and I'm interested in, I'm more than willing to be like rigorously honest and tell them my body count.
I don't feel like it's that big of an issue or that big of a question.
Okay.
I think no guy has really asked me for my body count, but for the most recent guy that I've been seeing, or not really seeing, I'm just like deeply in love with him.
He did ask me about my body count and I was honest because I think you do have to be kind of honest about your body count when it comes to like being safe.
When it comes to like the person that you're going to be like potentially sleeping with, I think that's something that really needs to be talked about.
And getting tested as well if you're sexually active.
I think that's an important conversation to have with your partner.
So yeah, I don't, that's about it.
Oh, hold on.
Two flannels donated $100.
Brian, you lumberjack.
Here is $100 so you can buy yourself some new clothes.
You wear the same two flannels every damn show.
If you were a rapper, they'd call you two flannels.
You look like you're stuck in the 90s Pearl Jam music video.
Which Eddie Veda?
Two flannels.
Thank you for the TTS.
Appreciate it.
Hey, you know, it's like flannels.
You know, the grunge, 90s grunge look.
Okay.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, thank you.
I'm going to go out and I'm going to buy maybe like an orange flannel or something.
So thank you.
I think you were about to come in on the previous one.
But my body count, right?
Yeah.
Okay, so I do porn and I sleep with a lot of people during the week and sometimes more than one, like today I slept with two people, then I came here.
Today?
Yeah, today I had a threesome.
Oh shit.
Like, was it two dudes?
A girl and a guy.
Girl and a guy.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, two people today, all right?
Yeah, yeah.
I was just in Miami, and I think I slept with 15 people there.
How long were you in Miami?
Nine days.
Nine days?
Yeah.
Well, you were shooting, right?
I was shooting, yeah.
Okay.
So.
I'm going to be honest, though, I don't sleep with people in my personal life.
Only for work.
Sleep for work.
Yeah, it's unsafe.
We're all getting tested and it's not safe to sleep with anyone else if they're not tested.
Got it.
Okay, do you date other people in the industry?
I'm not interested in dating anyone right now.
No, no.
I came into the industry with a boyfriend and it didn't work out.
And honestly, I don't care to date while I'm in it.
It's hard.
Was it related to you being in the industry that it didn't work out or for unrelated reasons?
It was a lot to do with the industry at the same time with how he felt.
There's a lot of red flags that I miss.
And there's a lot of things like I also need to work on.
And while I'm doing this, I can't be considerate of someone else's feelings.
I have to be selfish to be successful.
Okay.
And he's not in the industry.
No.
Okay.
I have a question.
So while you were seeing him, and I assume you guys were intimate with each other, you were shooting scenes with other people, correct?
I was.
Would you have, how long were you dating him again?
About nine months.
Nine months?
Would you have had an issue if he was like, I'll know if you guys had an open relationship, but if he was like, fucking other chicks, would you have an issue with that?
I would laugh.
He had a small thing, so.
Well, you can't throw him under the bus like that.
I can.
I can.
If he could get it, then sure.
But he wanted to be monogamous, and he understood that it was my job.
I mean, he got you, so despite the alleged.
To be fair, you probably work with guys who are hung like fucking horses.
So like, what if his was just average, but you're just so used to the...
Four is an average.
It's below.
Four?
Come on.
Oh, my gosh.
Damn, you're really throwing your nine-month relationship under the bus here.
That's okay.
He would, too.
He would throw you.
Yeah, if he's not on a podcast.
That's okay.
Yo, boyfriend, we cordially invite you to come be on the show, our next podcast.
And, you know, you can, if you want, you can contest some of the things she's saying.
If it was actually five, you can let us know.
But you're welcome to come on the podcast because we'd like to hear both sides of the story.
Okay, so do you think he's watching right now?
I don't think so.
I don't think he cares anymore.
Nah, nah.
He's doing his own thing.
Did he dump you or did you dump him?
We broke up with one another.
I made it official, but there was a lot of issues towards the end of the relationship.
Okay.
So he doesn't have Riz?
Is that the problem?
He doesn't have game or?
No, he's nice.
I wish him nothing but the best.
It just didn't work out.
I know, I know.
I'm talking about that.
You just told him, told the fucking world that he's got a small D.
And still wishing the best.
You're airing your dirty laundry.
That's what we're here for.
Okay, but would you have had an issue if he was sleeping with other girls during your relationship?
I wouldn't have if we talked about it.
But going into it, we decided to only be monogamous with one another.
But he did have an issue with what I was doing.
You know, when my job would be too much for him, he would throw it in my face that I was not monogamous.
When you say it was too much for him, what are we talking about here?
Are we talking like the frequency with which you are getting doing scenes with dudes?
I think with certain scenes, he didn't like certain things.
Sorry, hold on, just speak.
Oh, Prometheus, thank you.
What the fuck are you doing?
If you guys come on here and you guys judge the hell out of us, like please.
Like, okay.
Well, Prometheus is new to the TTS, so maybe he hasn't.
But would you be upset if he was like, you know, you know what?
What if he came out?
Okay, we're going to have him on the show.
Hold on.
Okay, hold on.
$99.
No real man wants to date of girls.
They want to F you.
Stop the insecurity shit when you're not saying your body count female dignity is going down the drain.
Thanks, feminism, back in school.
Dafouk.
Yo, Gredneck, thanks for that.
Wow, you guys have really gotten the chat up in arms.
Okay, would you be upset, and we are having him on the show, if he came on the podcast and was like, he was like, you know, Karen?
That's your name, right, Karen?
Yeah, yeah, that's my name.
Like your actual name or P-Star name?
Yeah.
Okay.
It's unfortunate, but yeah.
I know.
Our apologies.
I know.
Yeah, they kind of did you dirty with the whole Karen.
That's what I said, yeah.
You were around before the meme.
Okay, way before.
Your ex-boyfriend comes on the podcast and is like, holy, okay.
Thank you, Prometheus.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Bangs, I challenged that as I never judged you like that.
Prometheus was always polite and diplomatic with you.
I don't remember.
He doesn't remember.
I'm sorry, Prometheus.
Thank you.
Trying to put in a good word.
Okay, your boyfriend comes on the podcast and he was like, listen, Karen just.
She had a loose pussy.
What if he said that, huh?
Oh, he could say whatever he wants.
That's fine.
I don't know, but what if he came on and he was like...
Okay, that's his opinion.
Yeah.
I don't...
I don't know.
We're all entitled to our own opinions.
It's okay.
What do you want me to say?
I'm not mad about that because I know it's not.
I don't know if that's true.
I'm just like the mirror opposite.
The equivalent.
No, I don't know.
He's like, ah, Karen.
She's so loose.
I can't.
Yeah, you know?
It's like throwing a hot dog down a hallway, right?
No.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but was it you?
It might have been her who said that judgments come from a place of insecurity.
Someone was saying that.
Judge me.
Oh, that judgment.
Oh, yeah, I guess.
Judgment comes from a place of insecurity.
Yes and no.
You know, we can all judge based on our own opinions, but it doesn't mean that it's right.
It says it have not everything has to do with an insecurity.
We could just think what we think.
Not everything's based around insecurity.
Okay.
I see.
Okay.
Wait, so kid, let's go back to your, you were saying, you know, we're talking about your ex a little bit.
And you said that at one point you were in Miami and you did.
You were in Miami for nine days?
Yeah.
You did 15 scenes?
Yeah.
Okay.
15 people.
Okay.
Is that like the most in the nine-day period or have you done more?
That's the most as of now.
Okay, it goes down in Miami.
It does go down.
It was fun.
It was fun.
But no, just whenever I have heavy workflows, I'll sleep with a lot of people.
But before that, I didn't sleep with anyone for a month.
Like I said, in my regular life, it doesn't really matter.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Okay.
And are you the only one that does porn?
I know some of you guys do OnlyFans.
I do OnlyFans too.
I do everything on my OnlyFans as well.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Any of you guys also do porn or just I don't do full porn.
I have an OnlyFans, but I don't do like scenes or like boy girl, things like that.
Okay.
Good times.
Oh, oh, here we go again.
Oh my gosh.
Jeez donated $99.
I was supposed to be on the show this week, but Brian ran out of money to fund my trip, so he has to save another year for my appearance.
I'll gladly let UOF304s try and judge me on my appearance.
Guess I'll gain some body fat to be on your level.
Okay, he's out for blood tonight.
Jeeks, what?
Oh my God.
By the way, just a reminder, the views expressed by the chat and TTS does not necessarily reflect the views of whatever.
Hey, Prometheus, thank you, man.
You guys are out of control.
That's how it works or should.
Shit.
Thank you, man.
Oh, wait, hold on.
Let me get caught up on a couple, wow, you guys are, okay.
The chat's funny.
The chat is on.
They're roasting me for what I said.
Wait, what did you say?
I said I don't do full porn.
And they're like, they said, like, what's half porn or something like that?
What is half?
Like, I don't get penetrated on my OnlyFans.
Word?
Okay.
Good times.
Have you, just a show of hands, those of you who do OF or traditional adult content, who does BG content?
No BG?
I've done some BG, but just not.
It's like teasing.
What is that?
BG, like boy girl.
My ex, he had an OnlyFans for a couple months because he's a musician.
So we made like sexy music videos together, and I would like twerk on him and stuff like that.
Okay.
Good times.
Okay, hold on, guys.
I'm just pulling up the next one.
One sec here.
I'm trying to remember.
Someone said just the tip.
Sorry, guys.
One sec.
Okay.
While I get that figured out, sorry, guys, my computer's bugged out.
So we have some pre-show notes from a couple of you.
Oh, we had a missed super chat from last show.
Mr. Meatball, sorry that we missed your super chat.
Nick, if you're able to hide that.
Mr. Meatball asked, so, ladies, do looks even matter for a guy if he's successful, confident, and smart?
No, not at all.
That's more attractive to me, honestly.
I personally think people become more attractive as you get to know them and their personality as well.
So, you know, I don't think you have to be a 10 out of 10 in the looks department because you can become a 10 out of 10 based on your confidence, career, you know, what you've got going on in your life and your personality, to be honest.
Okay, got it.
Anybody else?
Anybody?
Hold on.
Mr. Meatball.
Oh, and Mr. Meatball, he also asked, dude on the panel, there's a guy on the panel, so I guess it's directed to me.
Would you date an ugly chick for any reason?
Jeez, probably fuck.
Y'all are going crazy.
Okay.
Would I?
Yeah, sure, why not?
Okay.
Ugly?
I don't know.
Ugly?
I don't know.
What is ugly to you?
Like a one out of ten?
Are we talking like.
I mean, I definitely think a girl can make up for like her personality can definitely make up for a lack of appearance, but ugly.
Obviously, I think for both men and women, you need to be physically attracted to your partner.
So I don't know.
Probably not.
Probably not.
But, yeah, okay.
All right, Mr. Meatball, thank you very much.
Hold on.
Something's busted here on my thing.
Does anyone have a question they'd like to ask while I'm attempting to poorly get this fixed?
Go ahead.
I'd like to know more about your dating life with trying to find someone who's also celibate.
And does it define like you want a godly man?
Is that specifically Christianity, or would it be like his definition of whatever his God type would be?
I'm a Christian, so I would hope he would reciprocate, be a Christian as well.
What am I looking for?
Just, I guess, traditional, like a guy who submits himself under God, and then I can come under him because he's, you know, not a perfect man, but a perfectly submitted man to me.
Because I feel like nowadays, men are submitted to their porn addiction.
Men are submitted to their alcoholism, their lust, you know.
But if I find someone, I feel like somebody who's submitted to God, I can work with that.
That's like a really good start for me.
Where do you normally find those types of men, like out in the world?
So out in the wild?
No.
But at church, maybe, right?
But, you know, I'm in a smaller church, so it's kind of hard.
It's like there's an age gap.
It's like a bunch of old people and then, you know, teenagers.
So, but dating apps, dating apps, they don't work for me.
You get a lot of, like I said, you get a lot of attention, a lot of toxic tens trying to get in your pants on the second date.
Like, kind of like what you were saying, like, or you were saying, Brian, how, would you guys say to a successful man who's like maybe five out of ten, whatever?
I totally would because I felt like we've maybe we can all kind of relate, but hot guys are usually like super toxic.
Yes.
Right?
Yes, like super, super hot.
Like 10 out of 10, 12 out of 10, toxic.
Yeah.
So are you looking to be like a traditional partner, like a traditional wife?
I would hope he would find me as opposed to me sautening him out.
Yeah.
Okay.
But I mean, finds a wife finds a good thing.
Yeah.
I mean, like when you find your partner, do you want to be like a traditional wife?
Do you want him to be the breadwinner and do all those things that you can do?
I would hope so.
I mean, right now I have my own job in my own house, my own car.
But I would definitely want to pull back if you want to grow with me, if you want to decide to have children.
I would like to pull back and hopefully you would be the breadwinner and you can, you know, take care of me and my, you know, your child, your legacy.
Hopefully you would have money to do that, you know?
But yeah.
So you want to be a stay-at-home mom?
Not necessarily, no, because I feel like I have a lot of hobbies and things that I'm interested in that I wouldn't just give up.
But I feel like as being a woman, that's a huge part, like having a child.
I feel like it's a huge part of being a woman.
What kind of hobbies are you talking about?
Well, I do music, so I do play music at the church a lot, like twice a week.
And then respiratory therapist, healthcare is hard out here.
Okay.
Hold on.
Okay.
I finally got this work.
And we have Prometheus here.
Instagram, I'm cool with, but as a reasonable idea.
OnlyFans is a major red flag.
Also, opinions is your rights, but facts tend to be more validating and valuable.
You have to accept word.
Thank you, Prometheus, for that.
And then we have Cheeks here.
Talking to triggered OF female is worse than talking with a vegetable-brained patient.
Don't be mad because you won't ever get a guy of my caliber.
You'd be lucky to just be in the same room as me by accident in any event.
Continue coping with your simp.
Wow, Beaten Cheeks is on the warpath tonight.
He's a hater.
He is hating on you guys.
That's okay.
Okay, cool.
All right.
You guys are kind of blasé about it.
I prefer to be unlucky at that point.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see here.
I had a couple notes here.
If I can finally pull them back up, guys.
So starting with, we have Azalea, is that?
Okay, so you said in your pre-show notes to us, men are hypocritical in what they want in a partner and what they go after.
For example, the Jonah Hill situation.
Men claim to want traditional partners and then go after independent women with strong careers and expect and expect to tame them.
Okay, and then there's a bit more which I'll get into later, but we can start with the Jonah Hill thing.
So if you guys are who here is familiar with the whole Jonah Hill situation?
Okay.
So basically, Jonah Hill was, I guess, in a relationship with this chick, and I guess they had had some conflict, some issues or something.
And he texted her, which she later kind of released, exposed him, whatever, saying that, well, the text message was basically like, hey, here are my boundaries.
I don't want you associating with certain types of people.
I don't want you posting these kinds of photos on the internet, et cetera, et cetera.
And then he said something along the lines of, hey, if these things, like posting photos on the internet or associating with these people, brings you happiness, then no hard feelings.
I think what he's implying there is if it's an issue, like we can just break up.
No hard feelings.
Wish you the best.
But this is just what I need for me to be happy in this relationship.
But you have an issue with that.
I mean, yeah, because when he started dating that woman and started pursuing her, he was the one commenting on those photos and liking those photos.
And he knew she was a surfer.
He knew what her career was.
He knew that that was what she loved to do.
And then when he finally got the woman that he wanted and was in a relationship with this strong, independent woman with a successful career, he decided to implement his insecurities and be like, you can't surf anymore.
You can't surf with men.
You can't post any sort of photo.
And I don't know if you saw the photos that he was showing her.
He thought were inappropriate.
She was fully dressed in like a romper and just standing outside like at a brunch spot.
It wasn't anything that was over the top.
It's not like she's doing sex work or OnlyFans.
He pursued a surfer and then told her she can't surf.
I don't think he said that.
He says she can't surf with men.
But I mean, we don't know all the details, but it's look, we don't know what happened.
But it seemed to me like she was associating with certain people that maybe had an unbecoming reputation.
Like he doesn't?
I think.
Well, Jonah Hill's a darling.
He was so weird with Emma Stone and Supervad.
That's a movie.
He was so weird.
What?
No, he was so weird.
But so that's his job.
Yeah, he wasn't.
What do you mean he was weird?
Didn't he like write it into it or like, didn't he, like, also help produce it or something?
Wait, wait, wait.
Supervad was an awesome movie.
What did he talk about?
But you mean he was like in the movie, the actual movie, he was weird?
Yeah.
Like as an actor, he was portraying like an awkward 17-year-old, 18-year-old high school.
But like, did I feel like his job?
Yeah, he's been weird.
What do you mean he's been weird?
I just said how he was weird.
I said he was weird in the movie Supervad with Emma Stone.
What?
Wait.
What?
I don't get it.
Am I stuttering?
No, I understand.
Because if the roles were reversed, should she be okay with his behavior as an actor, his job?
She's a surfer by profession.
So if the roles are reversed, should she go, well, I don't want you to act then.
I don't want you to act in scenes with women.
I don't want you to kiss women in scenes at your job.
It's the same thing.
Number one, she's not on that level, right?
She's an amateur surfer.
But then number two, do you guys really think that that was the first conversation they had about it, those text messages?
I know for me, if that type of thing were to come up in that type of situation, that text message, the way it was structured, that was not the first time.
They have clearly talked about that.
And I can't say this for sure, right?
Nobody knows the full extent aside from the two of them.
I would bet there that they had this conversation in person, and that was a text reinforcing what was already discussed.
Who brings something like that, that serious, up for the first time via text?
Yeah, I think.
I would personally find that very unlikely.
Sorry, go ahead.
No, no, it's okay.
I think that what she said was, oh, she was a surfer before.
I think that once you get into a serious relationship, you're completely entitled to set boundaries.
The more serious a relationship becomes, the more likely it is and more reasonable it is for them to set those kind of boundaries.
But a boundary isn't something that you impose on somebody else.
I think that part of the message is that I think it goes both ways.
I don't think he was necessarily imposing.
I don't really like Jonah Hill like personality.
I love his movies.
I think Super Bad was goaded, by the way.
But I think it's normal.
I think it's completely normal to ask that when a relationship becomes more serious.
Just like something like, oh, like the post.
And like she said, I don't think this was the first time they talked about it.
I don't think that whatsoever.
But so do you think that if a man told you that you had to give up your career because you were dating him, that that's acceptable?
He said if you wanted to continue to surf with men, which let's be serious, the predominant group that surfs is men.
And if you're on a beach, there's going to be men there.
Okay, so I surfed.
I mean, you can paddle out alone, you know?
Oh, for sure.
But I mean, like, if you're not.
She has girlfriends and stuff.
Right, but if you have a good opportunity, I mean, something like this, or whatever the case may be, obviously not a podcast, but if you have an opportunity that includes men, are you supposed to deny that if it's going to help your career just because your boyfriend's uncomfortable with you being around men?
Well, they claimed, and maybe you can weigh in on this.
I mean, she claimed to have been, I don't think she, like, had really a major career as like a model or like, I don't think she's a pro surfer.
But even if you're not pro, doesn't your career still matter?
I think it's within his right to try to assert these boundaries, not necessarily tell her to follow them, but I think it's his right to bring them to the table and whether or not she decides to agree with them or not.
I think that he was sort of setting up an ultimatum.
So he did it under the pretense that, hey, maybe this won't work out.
I don't think he was necessarily like trying to dictate what she did or what she didn't.
He was just setting what he wanted, what he expected out of the relationship.
I mean, he was just weaponizing therapy speak in order to assert that.
Weaponizing therapy speak.
Yeah, he was, in order to give her an ultimatum and basically say, well, if you do X, Y, and Z, the things she was already doing pre-relationship.
I don't think that he should have pursued her in the first place if that was things that he was uncomfortable with.
Exactly what I was going to say.
Men always want like the bad bitch, but then once they get the bad bitch, it's like they can't handle her.
And that's exactly what I texted Brian and like the things that I wanted to talk about.
So I'm so glad you brought that up because, oh my gosh, it's always like with Ariana Grande, like the reason why she's getting divorced is because he couldn't handle having a bad bitch.
He couldn't handle having all that fame.
But how do we know that?
Because they've already talked about it.
It's been like Ariana Grande.
Isn't she a homewrecker?
Yeah.
Yeah, that too, yes.
But that's a completely different issue.
Yeah, that's another issue.
And I was going to bring that up too, that she's kind of like a pick me.
I'm so sorry, Ariana Grande.
I'm so sorry.
Wow, shots fired.
I am so sorry, but yeah, she does tend to go, oh my God, I don't even want to talk about it.
I'm so sorry, Ariana Grande.
She's going to see this and come to you.
No, no, Ariana, no.
But okay, so you guys are saying that, you know, maybe he should have just not dated or like he was liking on her photos.
He should have known what he was getting into.
But isn't it fair to say that like prior to dating, he had no problem with her engaging in what he considered single behavior.
But once they started dating, he wanted her to act in a way that was commensurate with being in a relationship.
So not posting certain revealing photos.
That's what I was saying.
But her on a surfboard isn't a revealing photo and her in a romper in front of a bot brunch spot is not a revealing photo.
Well, that's all.
But to be fair.
I guess it's subjective, but I don't think that if she's posting photos for her career, amateur or not, that it's okay for him to be like, you in a bikini is too revealing.
I mean, look at his movies.
Look what he's done.
Yeah, didn't he like whip it out and like just one thing.
And she's a surfer.
So they're menosexualized.
It's so different to women.
The only thing we have, though, is what she chose to release.
And I mean, I don't know if you guys have ever been on the opposite side or maybe you've had someone speak poorly about you.
But if someone ever speaks poorly about you, are they likely to reveal perhaps the ways in which that maybe they contributed to the issue?
I mean, it's, you know, one, I think she's making herself to be a victim.
And people are very good at taking themselves out of the situation and not telling the whole truth and only the part that makes the other party look bad.
I mean, that's definitely true, but we can only go off of what we've seen, right?
So, I mean, if we're basing it just off this conversation without any prior knowledge, that's what it looks like.
It looks like he started dating somebody that he knew did not fall in line with his morals and his values.
And I think that that was a waste of her time if we're going strictly off of that.
But that was single behavior.
How is it single behavior if she's a surfer?
That's not single behavior.
Wearing a bikini on the beach is not single behavior.
Are you saying it was a fatal attraction, basically?
I feel like we've all dated that guy where we probably shouldn't have.
Oh, I mean, yeah, for sure.
I'm not saying Jonah, but I'm just saying like he was attracted to her and maybe he was trying to change her, but that's what I'm saying is wrong.
Like I said, I think it's fine to like impose boundaries once you're in the serious relationship.
On the same side, she could have said, oh, I'm not comfortable with what you do in the movies.
And that would have been completely reasonable on her side.
Which I'm sure was, again, a private conversation that they had.
Because nobody brings that up for the first time over text.
Have you guys ever brought up something really that serious for the first time where it's like an ultimatum via text?
I mean, maybe.
Yes, I have.
Okay, well, I'd say that that's objectively a pretty emotionally mature thing to do.
When you're in a real mature.
But how old are you again?
Sorry?
I'm 21.
Exactly.
That's a 21-year-old thing.
But if he is a mature, maybe you're just thinking, you're jumping right up straight to the bottom.
Well, she just said that he's using therapy speak.
Generally, someone who's been in therapy for that long to the point where they're able to elicit therapy speak are a little bit more emotionally mature.
And I think they were both seeing the same therapist privately, so it's not necessarily much about this situation.
I'm just saying.
Didn't Jonah go on to have the child, right?
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know anything about this.
I don't know much about Jonah.
And that's the other thing, exactly.
She released it just after you had the baby with his new girl, right?
And this was years after the fact.
So what was the point?
I mean, yeah, but you're just trying to get her a lick back.
That's what she was trying to do.
Haven't you guys ever tried getting a lick back?
Like a max?
Like after the bunch?
Yeah.
No, true.
If you're a victim of like emotional abuse, sometimes it takes a while to have the confidence and the strength to come.
Oh, hold on.
Are you saying that this was emotional?
No, I'm just giving an example of her saying it took a while.
Hold on, Nick, can you just leave it?
Making a private conversation public is a major violation of boundaries.
If anyone was weaponizing therapy is the surfer but trying to damage his reputation.
Nothing wrong with using therapy language.
I definitely, Doc, I 100% agree.
I'll get you in here in just a sec.
Doc, I 100% agree with you.
Let's say Jonah misstepped in a couple of ways.
I think what she did, even though the relationship is over, absolutely, whatever Jonah could have possibly done is, I don't know if I'm saying this, is dwarfed by her exposing this publicly because ultimately I think it's such a non-story.
Like, okay, you guys had disagreements, whatever.
Break up, move on.
It's obviously malicious.
Like, this is not, I don't think she was abused.
Even let's say Jonah was being controlling.
I don't think, like, he said, hey, if you don't want to, if this is too much, I wish you the best.
Maybe we're not ripe for each other.
These are my boundaries.
Whether you disagree with his boundaries or not, that's another thing.
But he gave her an out.
And I don't know.
It's unclear the timeline of this if they continue dating after that text message.
But I think to expose an ex like that is that's a greater grievance than him supposedly being controlling, I think.
I mean, I can definitely agree with leaking the conversation being a move that I wouldn't do years after a relationship because again, it just seems vengeful more than anything else.
But I'm just strictly talking about the content in the text message.
I do agree that that action isn't correct either.
Again, I agree.
I've said earlier, two wrongs don't make it right.
I don't think she was right necessarily for doing that after the fact, but I do think that he should have never pursued her if those were his boundaries, and that is the person that he was going after.
Yeah, and were you saying something, or I'm trying to someone was going on something before the TTS came in?
No, I think we're good.
Oh, was it?
Oh, okay.
Here, let me read this one really quick.
Yo, TX Texas twin dad.
Yo, thank you, man, for the $69 Streamlabs donation.
Appreciate it.
Love the show, Brian Naomi.
Would you dad a dad a Christian man?
Who can't?
Are we talking about single dads?
Why are single dads attracted to me?
Like in the DMs?
Like, that's all I get is a single dad's.
Oh, my gosh, really?
I don't think I'm ready for a kid like that, though.
Why?
Why step mommy?
Yeah, like if the kid came out of me, that's one thing, but I don't know if I'm there yet.
I have a question.
What if they were celibate?
What if they were everything you're looking for?
And he had a kid?
And he had a kid.
Does that matter, though?
I guess not.
I guess it doesn't.
It's a person that way.
Yeah, if he's submitted to self-wondering.
But the thing is, I feel like, though, like as a woman, if I don't have a child yet, you know what I mean?
If I could.
But granted, everyone has their reasons why they're single dad or a single mom.
Well, he says he can't have any more kids.
So he's snipped, I'm assuming.
Oh, he's snipped.
Do you want kids?
I want kids.
Okay, sorry.
That's probably a no for you, but for Texas twin dad.
But hey, thank you, man, for the uh you know what?
Maybe we should ask him, are you okay with like a sperm donor?
Are you okay?
Are you okay with a sperm donor?
I don't think so.
No, okay, okay.
It's got to be biblically sound, I guess.
Adoption?
Adoption, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yo, Sage, thank you, man.
Oh, okay.
It's not reading.
Let me hold on.
Let me skip.
Let me re-trigger.
Sorry, it's gonna come back in here in just a sec.
And then we have hold on just one sec, guys.
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Just got to start by saying striped shirt is beyond beautiful.
Does your spirit ever feel drained from slash on Levans?
If not, how long do you think you'll be active?
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I actually had a Beisenberger yesterday for the first time ever.
From where?
From where?
Eureka.
Burger.
I was just there the other day, too.
It was so fucking good.
Did you, the Eureka or the Beisenberger?
And the Beisenberger.
I had both.
Okay.
All right.
Wait, so this was directed at you, I guess?
Because you're the striped shirt.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
I don't have an OnlyFans, though.
He's awesome.
Alleged your opinion.
Wait, wait, wait.
What was the question?
He said, does your spirit feel drained, though?
I think that's maybe directed at the other girls.
He was complimenting you, and then he was asking a question.
So, to the girls who do OF or who do adult content, does your spirit ever feel drained from doing it?
If not, how long do you think you'll be active doing adult content?
Oh, so he's asking all of us.
Yeah.
I don't feel drained by doing it, mostly because I don't really take it too seriously.
I just did it because I came on whatever, and all these guys wanted to send me money, so I was kind of like, okay, well, I guess I'll make an OnlyFans.
Whoa, hold on, What?
That took me too long.
You had an OnlyFans your first time on the show.
Yeah, I had it, but I wasn't active.
I made the account, but I had never posted anything.
Okay, but you having an OnlyFans predates your first appearance on whatever.
Yeah, but I've never posted anything on there.
I just had it.
And then I was like, okay, well, maybe I should post it.
Okay, so you're blaming us for why am I blaming you?
I said, thank God for you.
Oh, okay.
See, I've made some good amount of money.
And you want to share?
No, I'm not.
Why would I want to share that?
No, I'm not.
I don't.
the people that subscribe to my OnlyFans are definitely whatever viewers.
And, um...
Haram.
I'm disappointed.
Haram!
See, they're shit talkers, but low-key, they're just, they go and subscribe to your OnlyFans.
Good times.
Good times.
And no, I don't think I will be doing it forever.
I'm mostly just doing it because I am going to school.
I need to pay for school fees.
I've had a lot.
I've ran into a lot of issues recently that have involved needing a lot of money.
And I thank God that I've had OnlyFans to be there for me and to help me out.
And I definitely, I don't know, I guess I appreciate coming on here and getting OnlyFans subscribers.
So.
Okay.
Oh, go ahead.
I would say more that the negativity is draining.
Like, just in general.
Oh, sorry.
Davon Jackson donated $100.
You fucking simps disgust me.
Wow.
Okay.
Dayvon Jackson.
Shooting shots at the Simps.
Okay.
I love Simps.
Do you guys like Simps?
You guys like Simps?
Yeah.
Why not?
Would you date a simp?
Yeah.
Of course I would.
Wait, you wouldn't.
Why wouldn't I?
Yes.
Would you date a simp?
Yes.
I feel like you actually, you want to be the simp for the guy.
Yeah.
Like, you want a guy who you can simp for, right?
Yeah.
Do you want it to be a mutual simp?
Yeah.
You want a mutual simping simply?
Yeah, I hate non-channel.
Is that possible though for me?
Yeah, by definition, it's literally impossible.
What is a simp by definition?
I don't think I know.
Technically, the acronym is soccer idolizing mediocre pussy, but the way it is actually utilized in society.
Guys who are pedestalizing women.
Any man who is pedestalizing a woman is a simp, essentially.
For some reason, I'm really attracted to guys that don't want me and want nothing to do with me.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Okay.
For some reason.
You're really attracted to guys who want nothing to do with you.
Yeah.
Like the first guy that I've like that I was like really seriously like obsessed with in high school.
He didn't even want to hang out with me.
Like we would hang out like once a week.
So you'd badger him.
And I would like, yeah, I would like bug the shit out of him.
And I'd be like, let's hang out.
Let's hang out.
Let's hang out.
And I ended up leaving that situation.
Thank God I never thought I would be able to do it.
But I really, really liked him.
And I mostly think it was because he just didn't want anything to do with me.
Good times.
Good times.
I still like him.
You were about to go.
Go ahead.
No, I was just saying that being on the internet in general is kind of draining.
That's true.
That's true.
Just a question.
A lot of you guys are tatted up here.
Can we get like a tattoo check on everybody?
Okay, we got what do we got here?
What you got for us?
I've got a lot of things.
I've got a lot of things.
I've got a sleeve.
I've got this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What does it say?
I'll keep you well.
I'll keep you wild.
Yeah.
That was a matching tattoo with a family member.
Okay.
All right.
What you got?
What's that one?
Mahanya.
Who's that?
It's Hanya mask.
Who's that?
It's a female demon.
That's a female?
Yeah, that became a woman.
Is that like, what kind of what culture is that from?
I believe it's Japanese.
Japanese.
What's the word?
Like theater, Japanese theater.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
What's that lightning bolt on your arm?
What's that?
What's going on there?
I had a dog that died and his name was Zeus.
Oh, my uncle has one of those same tattoos, but it's two lightning bolts.
And then I think on your photo, it's not visible now.
You had good luck.
I have good luck on both sides.
And then I also have hidden tattoos.
Hidden tattoos.
I have a shrimp with a trucker hat that says cunt on it.
Oh my God.
That is so cunty.
Explain that one.
Okay, so it's a tribute to my best friend, Sarah.
She reminds me of a shrimp, and she has this hat that says I put the cunt in country.
So I just got a shrimp, but it couldn't fit the whole thing, so we just put cunt on that.
World.
Okay, very cool, very cool.
And then you got the name?
I'm fully covered.
My whole body's heaven and hell.
Heaven and hell, yeah, yeah.
My whole right leg is just dedicated to hell.
That is Azalia.
You got tattoos or no?
I just have a heart on my ass cheek.
That's it.
Because you guys are all kind of friends, sort of.
Like you guys know each other.
So I was curious because you all have, like, you're all blasted with tats.
I was curious, like, did you guys meet at like a death metal concert?
Where do y'all meet?
Like, how do y'all get connected with people who are just, you know, at the tattoo shop or what?
Brooke is from Ohio originally.
I'm from Indiana, so we get each other from our hometowns.
Like living in the Midwest.
Just like there's a large community in the tattoo industry.
Oh, Derek Manks wants to be able to do that.
Yo, Derek, good to see you in Chattanooga.
Thank you.
How in the world do you think the OnlyVan's life is okay with a good man?
It makes absolutely zero sense.
Your mentality is broken.
If you want that life and don't value yours, then fair enough.
You can't have both, though.
Yes, you can.
Derek, thank you for the TTS.
Do you guys have a response to Derek?
Yeah, yes, you can.
There is a lot of good men out there that respect OnlyFans girls.
And to say that there is no good men out there and to say that none of us are going to find good men is such an like, such a mean thing to say because it's like almost saying that none of us are worthy of love or like worthy of finding a good man, which is so mean.
But do you guys think, those of you that do OnlyFans, do you think that there's certainly men that are gonna date you, but do you think you have to some degree eliminated or minimized, we don't know the exact percentage, your dating pool?
Like, because there are men, like, there are men out there that it's just they don't want to date someone who does sex work.
So have, because of what you guys do, have any of you encountered any struggles when it comes to dating?
Have you met a guy who's just like, hey, this is too much for me?
Or has it impacted your romantic pursuits?
I would say that it already kind of eliminates people who aren't for me in general because even if I didn't personally have an OnlyFans, I would be supportive of other people who were doing it.
And I just feel like my personality, like I'm very open and fluid, and I'm more aligned with people like that.
I would also agree.
I think there are always going to be, no matter what you do, people that are just automatically eliminated from your dating pool.
I am kind of like you.
I'm super open.
And I, you know, I support sex workers.
I support all types of sex workers.
And I wouldn't want to be with somebody that didn't align with that as well.
So, yeah, I guess they eliminate themselves because I wouldn't want to be with them either.
Can I ask you ladies a question?
How would you feel about your daughter doing sex work?
I don't have a daughter, so but if you did, like, no, like just try to put yourself in the hypothetical.
I would be supportive because in my situation, I would like my mom to be supportive with it.
So I would be supportive if my daughter chose to do anything with her life as long as we're not hurting anyone.
We're not bad people.
And it's kind of sad that you guys are keep like kind of pushing, making us feel like we're bad people.
And I just also kind of like almost, sorry, kind of almost like discourage us and like shame us, which like we're not hurting anyone.
We're not killing anyone.
We're not doing anything.
There's people like that are hurting the planet, hurting children.
So I feel like to worry really about OnlyFans girls is just so unfair.
Hold on to OnlyFans loves simps.
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Wow.
Okay, they're out for blood tonight.
I was going to respond to that.
Thank you, Frankie.
Go ahead.
So I'm kind of working hard so that I, you know, I'm financially stable in the future.
I'm taking all my OnlyFans money and trying to save and invest it because everyone's experience is different.
I went to OnlyFans because it was, I grew up very, very poor.
And OnlyFans, I realized you can make money quickly.
I was working like 60-hour work weeks before OnlyFans, and this was just like a lot more freedom for me and a new experience.
But basically, I'm trying to work really, really hard so that my daughter wouldn't have to do OnlyFans unless she wanted to.
That was like her preference.
Like I said, I got into it mainly for the money to support myself.
So if my daughter wants to do it, then she can and I'll support her.
Which brings up a good question.
Would any of you do it if it weren't for the money?
No, no.
If you could make the equal amount of money with like, you know, reasonable amount of effort, you know, because I'm sure you still need to put in some effort, right?
I'm so sure you need to exercise real business skills.
So I'm not sure.
Promotion, networking, all those things.
So say you could do that, but to another industry and make equal amount of money.
Would you do that?
It depends because I really like the time freedom that I get from it because it's not equal.
Yeah, okay.
Well, yeah, I guess if I could still make my own schedule, if there was something else I was passionate about, I would be open to it.
But I actually really enjoy a lot of aspects of doing OnlyFans.
And for the question about if I had a daughter, I would just want her to be honest with me and safe.
And I would prefer if she was maybe a little older, not like freshly 18 doing it, just so she doesn't like regret some of her choices.
But I think, you know, if I had a daughter, she would be her own person.
And I can't really like dictate her decisions.
But I do think it's going to be a lot more accepted going forward.
I kind of feel like we were the guinea pigs during COVID when everyone started doing it and like not knowing the consequences and how it would play out.
I want to add on to her question.
Would you guys be okay with your mom doing OnlyFans?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, my mom would never do that.
My mom wouldn't either, but if she wanted to, I mean, I have no problem with that.
Yeah, can I add something, by the way?
You said the OnlyFans isn't.
You said the OnlyFans donated $9.
Derek Manks, one buddy, I totally agree with you, but these girls definitely value their life.
It's somewhat around 15 to 30 bucks a month from total pathetic idiots who will never have a shot getting anything else of M. Brian, keep up the podcast.
Love the show.
Well, thank you, Gretnett, for that.
Appreciate it.
15 to 30.
Everyone just want to blurt out really quick your monthly OF fee?
30.
20.
15, what a discount?
10.
20.
I think mine's at 10 right now.
Is there a whatever coupon code that's?
It is on sale right now.
On sale.
Okay, go ahead.
All right.
So I think you were making a point.
No, she was making a point.
Go ahead, Math.
Go ahead.
So you were saying that OnlyFans doesn't hurt anybody, but I would disagree personally.
I'd say that having, well, not having it.
Well, yeah.
I'd say that distributing that kind of content is just hurting men and other people who decide to buy it.
It's just perpetuating, I don't want to say degeneracy, but it's perpetuating behaviors that set people back rather than forward.
So for example, you're contributing to porn addiction.
You're contributing to a lot of things.
You're normalizing OnlyFans.
And it's basically, I wouldn't say you personally are endorsing it and like telling younger girls, oh, do this, it's getting me money.
But as a whole, I think that the promotion of OnlyFans is doing that.
I think that unfortunately 18-year-old girls are fresh out of high school and they're doing this because other girls are saying, oh, it's getting me money.
And it's like, I feel like you haven't really explored your other options.
I feel like if you did say you were talented, I don't know what your talents are personally, but I feel like if you were to utilize those talents and use them to the best of your ability, you could do better things and be a part of an industry that's hurting people, like the consumers and the people who are creating it.
That promotional aspect you make is very true.
You hear about that girls who are like 17, who literally, when they're about to turn 18, are promoting.
No, they're promoting it, being like, hey, my 18th birthday, this is about to drop.
Like, that's crazy and kind of disturbing.
Like, I'm sure we can all at least admit that that's kind of disturbing.
That culture, the distance.
I see where you're at.
I see what you're saying, and I definitely do have my limits, and I do have boundaries when it comes to OnlyFans.
I think it's really important.
I think OnlyFans is actually much more ethical than porn.
Because these girls, we're basically our own managers or whatever.
We choose what's going to go out there.
We choose what we're comfortable with.
The girls that work with other people, they choose who they want to do scenes with.
They choose who they want to work for.
And yeah, like you're your own manager.
I feel like that's honestly more ethical than going to like, you know, like watching regular porn, you know?
I can definitely agree with you.
When I see women that do have OnlyFans and that are older and that are promoting it to younger women and stating that this is so great, you're making so much money so fast.
The majority of women that are on OnlyFans are not making massive amounts of cash.
And I said, what is this, like $600 a month?
Yeah, it's not a lot unless you already have a platform and have grown your, you know, whatever.
I don't think, I don't think that any of us should be promoting or saying, hey, you're freshly 18, you should hop on this.
And there are women that do that and try to sign women up just to get a referral from them.
And I can definitely agree that that's wrong.
Oh, wait, there's a referral program through it?
To sign women?
No.
No.
And I think that that's wrong.
Are you fucking serious?
Yes.
No.
And I'm saying that that's definitely wrong.
I would literally never do that.
I will always be honest about the negatives of doing it because there are pros and cons to literally everything.
But when you're freshly 18, you don't know what the consequences are.
You don't know what it's going to do to affect your mental health.
And I started mine when I was 27 years old.
So, you know, I had started nude modeling when I was younger.
I was very confident with myself.
I was confident with my body.
I took a lot of time to decide, okay, these are the things that I would be okay with doing, you know, on my account and the things that I would be okay with having leaked, et cetera, before I came to that decision.
I don't think that freshly 18-year-old women have the mental capacity to really understand what they're doing.
So I can definitely agree that that's 100%.
And that's crazy because I never knew there was any kind of incentive for referral.
So that makes sense why it is.
I mean, it would have had some type of impact on culture regardless.
But the fact that there is a financial incentivization for that is really fucked up, yo.
And they're just disturbing, honestly.
Oh, sorry.
No, no, you.
They're just perpetuating this idea of, oh, you're going to be freshly 18, you're going to make millions of dollars, and that's just not the case.
I mean, the reason that I make any sort of money was because I already had a very large following, and I signed up and could immediately start making money.
But I would never.
Continue your point if you'd like.
I need to re-trigger this one.
I would never perpetuate that to an 18-year-old woman.
Or I would always say, you know, here are the pros, here are the cons.
This is what you need to think about before you do it.
Because, you know, obviously I understand that there's a stigma with it and there's things that will follow you for the rest of your life that you have to really set that boundary.
And I think these 18-year-old women as well might push themselves too far into doing a type of content that maybe later on they'll regret and they don't have the capacity to say.
to say one donated $100 I agree my redneck friend if they only knew what a real man that would take care of them would actually do for them it would be life-changing for them a real man would provide for and take care of them Instead, they out.
Good men get no time.
Yo, Derek, appreciate the TTS.
How many of you, just on his really on his thing really quick, and if you guys want to pick back up on your condo thread, guy comes along, he's prepared to, he wants to marry you, have kids, blah, maybe you don't want to have kids, let's just say whatever, be your long-term partner, and he wants to provide for you, but he wants you to stop OnlyFans.
Do you do it?
Yes.
Oh, see you.
Here, why don't we start with you and we'll go this way?
I mean, the whole purpose of doing OnlyFans is to provide for myself.
So if he's also giving me that same outcome, then yes, I would quit.
Would he need to provide on a level that is commensurate with your level of income on your own?
So let's say, holy shit, hide that.
Bender the offender donated $99.
Thank you, Bender of the Offender.
Shaming is a necessary part of society because without shame, we have no way to learn consequences from our life choices.
I agree.
Thank you, Bender the Offender.
Our consequences have nothing to do with you, though.
Yeah, they are when people like trauma dump and stuff.
Who's trauma dumping?
You said you loved a trauma dump.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Not with you.
I'm not trauma dumping with you right now.
You're romantic.
Yeah, the consequences that you face, ultimately, they're reflected in your character, like the way that you approach relationships.
I'd say like, I'm not saying you specifically, but I'd say like when you go into new relationships, all the like consequences in the past that you've faced because of your past behaviors, they really do reflect on you.
They really do influence the way that a relationship might go.
So say like you had a ho phase or something, that'll definitely influence someone, like the consequences that you paid for having a hole phase.
Damn, so should I keep it quiet private then?
Like is that your advice to me?
I'm not saying to keep it quite fair.
Oh, because see, you're damned if you do something, you're damned if you don't.
Yo, can we get a drink?
No, there's no winning.
Wait, how many energy drinks do we have?
Yes.
I already drank one.
Anybody else want a little?
Okay, anyways.
So the question was, because some people who do OF make a lot of money.
So maybe expecting a guy to be making $50,000 a month might not, that's a very small percentage of men.
But let's say he's making enough to provide for both of you.
Would you take it or would you?
I would only be worried about divorce.
What happens in that instance?
That's right.
If you're not set up and you're just left alone, like in the dark, no money, nothing.
that's true a lot of men are like i recently saw a tick tock where it was like this wife and she was like this husband was like yelling at her for whatever reason and And because she supposedly doesn't do anything, but she stays home and takes care of the kids, cleans, cooks, and does everything.
And then her husband is just like all of a sudden saying that he wants a divorce because, oh, he like met a younger, like a younger lady who's like, you know, younger and that's all they want or more beautiful, whatever.
And then the woman is left with the kids.
Usually the man tends to like start their own life with their new family and then they leave the kid.
I mean, leave the kids and then like let the woman like fend for herself, basically, you know?
And I feel like that happens a lot more often than you really think, where women are just left to like suffer.
So it's also worth pointing out and mentioning that women that are doing all of the household chores and labor, that's actually $10 trillion worth of unpaid labor.
Absolutely.
Wait, what?
Yeah.
I used to babysit.
Hold on.
That's a real indication.
That is a real statistic.
Absolutely.
$10 trillion of unpaid labor.
For all women or one labor?
All women.
All women.
The household labor that they don't get compensated for that they're doing while their men are off at work is worth $10 trillion.
But I mean, do you think they should be compensed?
What do you mean?
You think they should be able to do that?
Well, no, that's not what I'm saying at all.
It's just comparing how hard, like, how hard their labor is compared to, like, if it were to be.
Because a lot of men that end up calling themselves the breadwinner and they come home and they say, well, you're not doing anything.
Like I go out and I work all day while she's taking care of the home.
Like that's still labor.
Whether or not she children is super difficult.
I've worked with children.
Anna, have you ever been in a coal mine?
In a coal mine?
Okay, most guys aren't really in coal mines.
There's still dudes in coal mines, but I mean like, but okay, let's, so in your example.
You're raising children though.
Hold on just a sec.
So in your example, you're saying the guy who's the sole breadwinner, he's working nine to five.
He's working 40, 50 hours a week.
And then the woman, she's stay-at-home mom.
Is that kind of the framework that you're, because wouldn't it make sense that if he's out working and she's the homemaker, that she would be homemaking?
Doesn't that?
Well, no, I'm not saying that that shouldn't be some sort of dynamic.
But what I'm saying is that when the $1,990.
Yeah.
Definitely proving that to be correct.
Why would you put something idolizing a place of eternal torment on your body?
Naomi, keep carrying your cross.
God.
Well, I'm confused.
I thought he was talking about carrying her sleeve on her leg.
What?
I don't know what he said.
You're mad that you can't.
Why would you put something idolizing a place of eternal torment on your body?
Hell.
Is that this one?
No, she's not.
You're talking about her because she has a hell tattoo.
Where?
No, yeah, my whole body is.
My whole right leg is hell, based on hell.
It's a depiction, an artistic depiction of...
Different things, yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
I guess you are condemned to eternal damnation.
All right, sounds good.
I used to be a Christian.
I was raised a Christian, so I get it.
So to each their own.
Go back to your point about the division of labor, housework, right?
Well, I'm not saying that a traditional relationship where a man is doing the gender role of going out and being a breadwinner and the woman staying home and homemaking and taking care of children.
I'm not saying that shouldn't be a dynamic, but I'm saying that it's wrong when the husband comes home and says, well, you're not doing X, Y, and Z. What your wife is doing when she's homemaking is still labor, whether or not she's being compensated.
So to hold money over her head and act like she's not doing anything while she's sitting at home raising your family, cooking your meals, cleaning your house, organizing everything, keeping your schedule on track, that's still labor.
Absolutely.
And they've, I believe it was the Bureau of Labor Statistics that said that women's unpaid work in a household is worth $10 trillion internationally.
Oh, internationally.
Internationally.
Like all of the women in the world that are homemaking and are doing household chores and keeping schedules together and raising families and cooking and cleaning and doing all of that.
That's labor that's unpaid.
And they said the unpaid amount of money is $10 trillion.
So what I'm saying is that it's not right for a man to come home and be like, you're not doing X, Y, and Z.
And that's what we're saying.
We're saying give up your OnlyFans, be a homemaker, and you could potentially end up in a divorce situation where he goes, oh, well, you're not doing anything, leaves and takes all the money with you while you've created a home and done what he want, had done what he wanted you to do and basically deems the work that you've done worthless.
Yeah, but if your husband is going, I'll get to you in a sec, Allie.
If your husband is working a nine-to-five job and you are, he's providing, he's providing financially for the both of you, then you are pulling your half of the bargain or pulling your weight by taking care of the home.
Right, that's what I'm saying.
But I don't, why are you viewing it from a lens of it being unpaid?
Of course it's unpaid.
I think you're making self-evident.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, you're really missing the point, Brian.
Well, explain.
What am I doing?
First, I wanted to say that, well, okay, never mind.
I don't want to say this right now because I backtracked myself a little bit.
But you are missing the point.
What?
It's because you're really focused on saying like, oh, well, if you're going to stay home, then you need to get paid.
I feel like that's what you're kind of trying, you know, like that's not what we're saying.
That's not what we're saying at all.
Are you trying to argue that men don't value the work that women do in households?
Yeah, absolutely.
That's exactly why.
I mean, what evidence do you have for that?
I mean, so much.
Here's why, because you cited to this, well, the Department of Labor, they tabulated that it's trillions of dollars that women are doing in unpaid labor as if all those women, it is unappreciated by their husbands, the work that they do.
But I don't think that's the case.
Perhaps it's the case that there are some men who are unappreciative or not cognizant of the work that their spouses do at the home, although I don't think that's really, I don't, what evidence is there for that?
I think there's expectations that come in matrimonial relationships in general and whether or not they want to conform to that traditional, oh, the woman does the house cleaning, the men does that, is up to them entirely.
I mean, me personally, I love my boyfriend.
I'd do anything for him.
Like, I clean up his dishes and I do whatever.
And I don't ex like, and just the way that he treats me, like, that's enough for me.
Like, I don't expect any reparation.
You said that's enough for you?
Under the offender, that's enough for me.
I think it's more than a hundred years ago.
Ladies, I'm a steel worker.
I work around 15-ton steel rolls that are suspended above my head.
I provide the roof over your head.
I fix any issues with the house.
I provide the lifestyle you need.
Yo, Bendra, and I'll let you come in just after this really quick.
Bendra the offender, thank you very much for your TTS.
Yeah, I mean, that's a good point.
And also, I mean, what about all the household labor that men do, which is uncompensated for and unpaid?
For example, men are typically expected to take care of some of the more physically laborious tasks, like mowing the lawn, fixing appliances around the house, potentially car-related things.
So, I mean, there's certainly tasks that men undertake.
For example, that might, you know, something that's heavy that might need to be moved around.
And so I don't think it's just women that are that are contributing to the upkeep of the household.
I think what you're kind of missing on is that we were talking about that when men, what you brought up the question saying that would you give up your OnlyFans if a man was going to provide everything for you?
And then that's why we said, well, like if we give up our OnlyFans, like whatever, give up whatever job because the man, your husband, is like, I want you to stay home.
I want you to raise my kids.
I want you to do this.
And then all of a sudden, he finds a younger lady, whatever, finds somebody better.
And then he's like, see you later.
And then like leaves the whole family.
And then now you're the man.
Because of the man, because of the man, because he said, because of your husband, he said, sorry, he said, no, I don't want you to work.
I want you to stay here and watch my kids raise my children, clean my house, do all of this.
And now you're screwed.
You're just choosing the wrong people then.
What do you mean you were choosing the wrong people?
We don't.
No, no, no, no.
We can find a man.
He can be the most amazing person ever.
A few years along the line, he can turn into the worst person ever.
What do you mean we're choosing the wrong people?
No.
If you're not willing to.
Yes, that is your choice to leave, but you can also be so screwed.
This man could be the perfect man and be like, oh my goodness, have you not like seen what's been going on recently?
Have you not seen what's been going on recently with all the men that have like their families because their wife has wanted a divorce?
It's not that easy to get a divorce.
Women are out here dying.
What is happening?
And their children are dying.
Well, just one thing.
Women are more likely to initiate divorces than men are.
And then when they initiate it, the men get scared and they want to inflict the most pain upon that woman.
And then they end up.
Have you not heard about what's been going on?
Have you not heard about Chris Watts?
Have you not heard about the man from Have you heard about Jodi Arias?
Okay.
Yes, I've heard about Jodi Arius.
That's all I'm gonna do.
That has nothing to do with Trevor.
Welcome to the whatever crime channel.
It's all about disdaining relationships.
And you are using true crime examples as these moments of the world.
Well, I think like the point she's trying to make, sorry to cut you off, is like financial abuse.
Yes.
Like if you are stuck in a relationship where you pretty much gave up your source of income where you could comfortably support your own lifestyle independently, and to answer the question if I would do that or not, if I trusted someone, if I was in love with them and they could really like afford to do that, but people get like played with that all the time.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
But this idea that men in droves are leaving their wives for like the younger, you know, like a younger girl, it does happen.
It does happen.
But I actually don't think it's as common as actually women leaving their husbands.
I don't know the reasons why, but women are more likely to initiate divorces.
Okay.
So men should be more concerned about negative divorce or negative divorce.
If you're not satisfied with your relationship, you're entirely entitled to leave.
But how are you supposed to leave when you're being financially abused and have no choice of that?
Exactly.
We've been trying to make this point.
None of this is quite missing.
That's what I was doing.
All the time.
I'm like, how does it relate to the question, though?
Divorce was not included in that question originally.
We went.
Yeah, I don't know where we're going.
But hold on.
You mentioned financial abuse.
What do you mean?
Well, financial abuse is basically what we were describing, where you give up your entire career for a man in a relationship, a partnership, and then they hold the money over your head.
You get X amount of money to do X, Y, Z, and it's, oh, well, I go out and I make all of the money.
You only have access to X, Y, and Z.
And that's what I choose that you have access after you give up your career.
And then if you choose to leave that man, you are left with, depending on how long you've been with them, no experience in the job field.
You've given up your only source of income.
You had signed a prenup, there's no alimony, there's no child support, there's no nothing.
And then how are you supposed to leave that relationship?
It was your choice to agree to those terms.
Oh my goodness.
No, girl, wait, Well, prenups, you can define the terms, right?
Yeah, can you guys stop yelling at me?
I was going to say, it was your choice to give up those freedoms in the first place because you were dependent on that man in the first place.
You said, okay, you could be the breadwinner of this household.
I'm fine with that.
I'm fine with homemaking.
I'm fine with all that.
But there's always that risk that comes with that.
And if you want to avoid that risk, then you're entitled to do your own thing.
We're just saying it happens.
We're not saying that we're going to do that.
You understand it.
Like, you've gone so far left that you've made a 180.
Have I gone so far left that I made a 180?
Yeah, like or whatever you're, whichever direction you're going to go, whichever direction you're going, like, you've, you just exactly, you literally like explained exactly what we were trying to get at.
I mean, you're basically blaming it all on us.
It's your decision to give up.
Well, here's the thing.
I just learned recently that prenups, you can actually set your own conditions.
So I think it should come down to the terms of a relationship, right?
So if someone, if a man says, hey, I want to have a TradCom relationship, I want you to stay at home and raise the children, then it is your, the onus of responsibility is on you as that wife and as the future mother to be able to say, put these terms in the prenup to where, if I leave you, for sure that's on me.
But hey, if you're if, if you decide to leave me and I have no accolades, no resume nothing, and and I'm forced to go out in the workforce, then I'm protected.
You can actually set prenups to be in alignment with whatever conditions the couple decide.
So it should be up to the individual couple at the end of the day, and people should go into these things with their eyes wide open and educate themselves.
If they don't, that is on them, okay.
But the thing is with um that most women are getting told, like okay like, we will be the provider, you stay home, you do this, you do X, Y and Z, and then they're getting screwed over.
Like most women won't leave the relationship because they know they are being financially provided for, so in that case most women won't leave.
They won't leave because they know that they are screwed.
The one who agreed to the Tradcom lifestyle in the first place and again define those terms.
If you're going into a marriage and that, and the husband wants a prenup which would then dispose you to that position in the first place, then be a contributor to set the terms where, if he is saying, I want you to stay at home and only serve me, all right, i'll do that one allowance, i'll do that when I get married.
Well then there should be some allowance where he says, okay, then legally there will be a contract to where, if I leave you for you know whatever reason, then you will be taken care of.
Well, what if it's not when I get married?
What if it's just a relationship and there's no prenup involved?
Well, if you're just I mean like there's no well, there's common law.
Right, there is common law.
Actually that I don't know how it is actually in America, so maybe someone could clarify for me if you guys are.
But in Australia, when you've been living with someone for two years, you're in a de facto relationship and most of the same things pertain as what is an actual legal marriage word.
Here I do got.
I do have to do a couple chats.
There are some common law marriage states, but most states are not common law marriage.
Okay, so we have that guy, Pyros.
Hey, thank you man.
Why do you women think sex s work is a job or man?
You guys are going hard okay, worth worth praising men.
Don't respect who was.
Uh, you will never get the perfect man you want because you don't deserve him.
Nothing is more attractive to a man than the hardworking, hardworking woman like an ER nurse, actually I.
I recently read a study that nurses, especially like those who work in emergency setting or overnight setting, are like the most likely to cheat.
Apparently, they're the most stressed.
But do you guys have a response to well?
I never said that like I should be praised for having an OnlyFans.
I don't think any of us said that I've seen that.
And also, like, I hate to use the word privilege, but not everybody has the privilege to afford an education to go into things like healthcare.
Like, I'm just now, because of OnlyFans, able to afford to go back to school to get a degree.
So I hate using the word privilege, but that's, yeah.
So the scenario is different with each and every individual.
Okay.
It also doesn't have to be one or the other.
I have a full-time job and I also do content creation.
So you can have a regular job, be an ER nurse, and also do content creation in OnlyFans.
It doesn't have to be either or.
Okay.
By the way, you're a flight attendant.
Have you ever created something up in the air?
No, I have not.
My eye code, baby.
She's on the floor.
It does happen, though.
All right.
We have Doc Vanablis.
Hey, thank you, man.
Good to see you in the chat.
Blue Top Girl, there is hope for you yet.
Save your dough.
Get good therapy for one year.
Then you will find a good man.
The seat next to you is a lost cause.
I'm actually, I'm already in therapy.
I've been in therapy for two years.
So do you have a response to Doc?
Nah.
He says you're a lost cause.
I am not a lost cause.
Just because you don't agree with everything that I say or do, I'm not a lost cause.
What's the opposite of a lost cause?
A found cause?
A just cause.
A just, a just cause.
Okay.
A worthy crusade.
A worthy crusade.
Just the tip.
Just the tip.
Donated 86.
Hold on.
Where is it?
Hold on.
I'm trying to find something there.
Wait.
Just a tip.
Just for a second.
Just a second.
A man who's willing to let his woman sell herself isn't your man.
He is your PIMP or just a simp.
Hmm?
Word.
Allow.
I know.
Girl, I'm doing that on my own.
He ain't allowing me to do anything.
Also, pimp, he would have to be taking a cut of my money for that to be the dynamic in the relationship, and it's simply not.
That's what he's saying.
Either a pimp would accept that because he is making money or a simp would accept it because a simp's going to idolize you no matter what.
That's the point he's making.
I mean, it would be a pimp in my category because I do love to spoil my man that I'm seeing.
So he will just get a cut.
Me too.
I am a giveaway.
Back the cap.
Actually, though.
It's true.
Are you just saying that?
Are you just pandering?
My friends tell me I need to stop spending money on the men that I see so quickly.
Oh, right.
Yeah, I think you did include something in your, we'll get to that in a sec here, but okay, so you simp for your, actually a question for you guys, so.
So let's say you, and maybe you've had this experience with a past guy, for those of you who do adult content, a new guy comes in, and maybe he's down to help you film or something.
Does he get a cut?
Or in the past, have you ever given a cut to a guy that you were seeing?
Let's start with you.
Go ahead.
So the only time I ever did like BG content that I actually like put on my OnlyFans was with my ex who also had an account.
So how we did it was he also sold things.
A lot of my fans coming from my YouTube channel would subscribe to his page as well and basically pay to see content of me.
So it never became a situation where I was like selling sex tapes and giving him a cut or anything like that.
And that's actually a huge reason.
One of like the many reasons why I don't cross that boundary because I feel like it can get messy when like your romantic partners, you're like paying them out and then you're the face of the content.
It's out there forever.
You're paying taxes on it.
I just feel like it is kind of hard to find an ideal arrangement with that.
And some people do.
And I think that's great for them, but it can get messy.
I have never given a man a cut of my money.
They've never helped me film.
I've never done BG content or anything like that.
So I've never really had it.
It was never a necessity for somebody to help me in that regard.
I do what Essie does and I just spoil my boyfriend with my earnings.
Spoil, you spoil your boyfriend.
Yeah, I took him to Japan in April.
Brooke and I went, girl.
That's crazy.
My boyfriend were just in Japan.
Oh, yeah, where'd you go?
Commonality.
We stayed in Tokyo for a bit and Shimo Akitazawa.
I was there for a month living through study abroad, but then he came and joined me and it was honestly great.
I don't know I just did you pay for it?
No, I didn't pay for it.
No, no.
Well, I paid for some of gifts and stuff.
I bought him a ton of things.
We sort of like to buy each other's stuff.
I went to Hawaii for a bit and I spent the last of my money on him.
But I don't know.
It was just great.
I think traveling was a significant other really good thing.
That was lovely.
Well, let's be honest, though, you were compensating for the fact that you were trying to make it up to him because you were simping on Chase last show.
Just admit it, Nev.
No, no.
We're past that.
Like, that's done.
I personally wasn't simply, but I love this man to death.
Like, I would literally, I don't even know.
I have a question.
I would burn down an orphanage just to keep him warm.
Whoa.
Like, I don't know.
I don't know.
But, like, I don't know.
It was just great.
Like, because we both liked One Piece, and then we went to the One Piece thing, and it was just awesome.
Like, it was great.
And then we went to the forest, the Logan Paul Forest, and it was just a little bit more.
It was magical.
It was magical.
Okay, what about you?
I mean, I pretty much do the same thing.
We went to Japan together with our boyfriends.
Oh, you both brought your boyfriends to what about you?
I've paid my friends to suck their dick for my OnlyFans.
Oh?
What?
I really don't have any partner.
I didn't really like my boyfriends being on.
The last two exes that I had on my OnlyFans, I paid for everything, pretty much.
Wait, you paid someone to suck their dick?
Yeah.
What?
So I could own it.
So I could own it.
It's about content.
It's about owning the content.
Yeah, I got you.
I got you.
Yeah.
That's just ironic.
Yeah, no, I know.
I know.
People would do it for free.
I get sorry.
It's okay.
It's okay.
I know.
It's okay.
Wow.
Good times.
Good times.
What about you?
Did you spoil your man?
Oh, yeah.
I love spoiling whoever I like.
I fall in love very fast.
I fall in love hard.
Oh, hold on.
Okay.
So underscore privileged underscore underscore toxic donated $99.
Thank you, ma'am.
Only in America are women's lives so privileged that they feel zero shame in claiming that a man who is sacrificing everything to commit to plus support a wife financially is abusing her cannot stop laughing.
We've really ruined women.
How genuinely pathetic.
You did use the term abusing, which I thought was interesting.
This is a thing.
What's that?
Financial abuse is a thing.
But I would be willing to say that those women in other countries are also being financially abused as well.
I mean, but the way you described it, it wasn't clear.
That didn't.
You said if a guy is the primary breadwinner and he has an allowance for his wife that doesn't meet her needs.
That's not what I said.
You said, here's how much you can spend or something like that.
Well, I'm saying that if he's holding money over his partner's head or not giving her anything or even just holding it over her head in general, oh, well, I'm the breadwinner.
You get what I give you.
That's financial abuse.
I've seen stories of women that have been told, oh, well, you get $500 for the week and she has four kids and she's running out of grocery money and her husband's refusing to give her more grocery money.
Were they split up?
No, no.
This is an actual marriage.
And this happens all the time.
His kit?
It's like a powerful thing.
It happens all the time.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm not saying that it's like 100% of marriages, but there are plenty of partnerships that end up that way.
My twin sister, she is a stay-at-home wife, and they waited to marriage to have sex.
It was like three months.
they fast forwarded that really quick that process but she she's happy and she good for her yeah It's not going to happen all the time.
I know, but I'm just saying, like, I've seen the good sides.
Yeah.
Well, no, of course.
It's good to shed light on the good sides.
Yeah, of course.
That's exactly true.
He owns his own business.
He stays at home and they see each other all the time.
And she does whatever she needs to do to keep the house, whatever.
And that's amazing.
That sounds like a very healthy, traditional relationship.
And those definitely exist.
But we were talking about earlier, just if we had to be in that situation, like what would be the negatives of why we might not give up our OnlyFans or our jobs in order to be with them.
Traditional marriages are totally fine if that's what both people want and it's healthy and it's happy.
I fully support that.
I think that people should do what's best for them.
But if a woman is in a situation where a man is holding money over her head, she can't keep the household afloat based on what he's giving her.
And he's consistently saying, well, I'm the breadwinner.
I'm doing XYZ.
You don't deserve my money.
Then I think that that's a problem.
Not only is it financially abusive, it's also emotionally abusive and manipulative.
So it falls on the bottom of the body.
How common is that though?
It feels like you're doing it.
It's pretty common.
Pretty common.
I actually had a girlfriend recently where she met a guy and he told her, quit your job, move in with me, like within 24 or 48 hours.
And she didn't have an OnlyFans.
She worked in nightlife, but she was like a hostess, perfectly respectable, like normal job in my opinion.
She's my age.
And she did it.
And then some stuff happened to him personally.
And he wasn't in as great of a situation anymore within like a month.
And now she's pretty much screwed.
And it's been like a huge stress in her life.
So I'm just saying you can't like assume everything's going to be like peaches and daisies going into that.
Wait, hold on.
She moved in with him.
Yeah.
So he was paying all the rent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it, I think, like, it's wise to see.
And then how she screwed.
I'm just.
It's a long story.
He went to jail, got slash got kidnapped.
It's like a really insane story.
Like.
What?
Yeah.
Basically, he lost all his money kind of thing.
Did she bail him out of jail?
She flew to a foreign country to help him.
She was out of jail, yes.
She was riding for him.
Gosh.
But so he screwed up her life?
I'm confused.
Yeah, because she basically took a leap of faith and was like, okay, I'll quit my job.
I'll move in with you.
You're rich.
You can take care of me.
How long did this relationship last?
They're still, you know, in a really big pickle because of her decisions to be with him.
Yeah, but he was taking care.
He was paying the entire rent on their apartment.
So he ended up moving in with her.
He lost his place.
She ended up kind of taking care of him.
Okay, so there's a lot of people.
It got messy very quickly.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Okay, well, I think it's wise to like weigh out the risks that come with making such a commitment to like completely discard your financial.
Alvin Sam donated $100.
What's abusive is these 304s abusing the word abuse.
Damned if you do.
Damned if you don't.
That's my line.
Okay, anyways, I think it's wise to weigh out the risks.
I was thanking Alvin God.
Oh, thank you, Alvin.
Yeah, please thank Alvin every time.
Thank you, Alvin.
Everybody, please thank Alvin for the little thing.
Okay, go ahead.
Yeah, I think it's wise to weigh out the risks when it comes to committing to something that sort of gets rid of your financial freedoms and survivability outside of the relationship.
I think that to avoid situations like that, you should keep working.
Really, really, really, yeah, not keep working.
It's your choice whether or not to keep working.
Personally, I would keep working.
But, and I don't know.
I just think that considering the risks when entering any sort of situation that's life-altering is probably the best thing you can do for yourself so you can avoid getting into these crazy situations where, like you know, but not 30 minutes ago you said that you would give up your job for your boyfriend.
I would personally, I would.
So you're just contradicting yourself.
No no, I'm not contradicting myself.
I'm saying personally I would.
I wouldn't give away my job, but I would dedicate most of my time.
You underscore R underscore, abusing.
Underscore R, underscore.
He has donated $99.
The rabid sense of entitlement foaming from Redhead's mouth as she decries these imaginary husbands holding money over their wives heads, called budgeting by adult human beings to avoid death, poverty etc.
Is soul numbing.
These stories are all fake.
Yeah, I mean, couldn't you make the argument like the husband is looking out for the finances and budgeting like okay don't, don't go buy this thing because we don't have the money for it?
Is that abuse?
I don't think it is abuse, but that's different.
That's complete, like to play devil's advocate, like I've been debating against them the whole night, but it's very financial abuse versus that.
That's what occurs most of the time, but financial abuse also does exist.
You can't conflate the two.
In my personal opinion, fair enough if you're budgeting.
I think both parties know and are aware of that, and the other side isn't just like oh abuse, you know like I think they're very much aware that's budgeting word okay well, let's move on to our next thing.
We were talking a bit about the Joan The Hill situation.
There's also something recently that's kind of related to that.
This singer called, I don't know, Baby Rexa.
Is that how you be?
Oh yeah, I remember Baby Rexa Nick, can you pull up the screenshot?
So she also leaked text messages from her boyfriend, her boyfriend, I guess they broke up, so let's read that.
Okay, can you uh control, zoom in?
Yeah, and you know what I'm actually gonna have Essie no no no, scroll to the top so we can actually read it out all the way to the top, all the way to the top Essie, can you read the text message?
It says, hey, I never said you weren't beautiful.
Hold on, let me.
Let me just clarify.
This is her boyfriend.
So Baby Rex, or whatever her singer I guess famous never heard of her.
This is a text message, not that she sent, but that her boyfriend sent.
Go ahead Nick, and if you can scroll it out just a bit so we can actually read, the hey sorry you, the okay, that's fine, that's fine.
I never said you weren't beautiful and I never said I didn't love you.
In fact, I said how beautiful you are and how much I loved you.
But I always said I would be honest with you and your face was changing.
So I told you it was, that was a conversation we were having and you asked, because I care, would you rather?
I lied to you.
You gained 35 pounds.
Obviously you gained weight and your face changes.
Should I just pretend it didn't happen?
That it's okay?
Come on, I gained three pounds and you call me chubs and fat doesn't mean you don't love me.
If you're trying to find reasons to break up, this makes sense dot dot dot, but it's not the real reason.
If you're unhappy with me, slash yourself, slash with life and don't see a future with us, and that's okay and that's the reason.
Don't use something like that to weaponize your anger or anxiety or any insecurity you may have you.
You know, I always found, Found you to be beautiful and loved you, no matter something.
I think it's important for you to zoom out.
I think it's important for you to think about things and write things down, speak to a therapist and do this retreat thing to get the root of the problem, to get to the root of the problem.
Let me know if you'd like to speak or if you need more clarity.
Love you.
Okay, so text message from her, I suppose, now ex-boyfriend.
She posted this to her Instagram.
So somewhat related to the Jonah Hill situation because she's releasing what is otherwise private communications.
So has anybody seen the story?
Yes.
Yeah, I was on Value Tainment recently.
Okay, so I'm trying to understand a little bit because she only released that text message.
From what he's saying, it sounds like she asked him at some previous point, some prior point, to give her feedback on her appearance.
We don't know if she literally just texted him, like, hey, does this outfit make me look?
I don't know what the scenario is, but does anyone know like kind of the details of this?
We never really heard what preface that.
She just kind of released that and went with that.
Yeah.
So, but given what we've seen, he's saying, hey, you've gained some weight.
35 pounds, I guess, is what it was.
Is he a dick for this?
Is he a jerk?
No.
Or was that a pretty reasonable text message?
To me, it seems like she asked.
I think if it was an unwarranted opinion, then maybe it wouldn't exactly have been an appropriate thing to say.
But to me personally, reading that text message, it seemed like he was coming from a place of kindness after her kind of prefacing the conversation and asking him.
I don't think it's right to be upset with him if you were asking for honesty.
And because to me, he didn't seem like he was attacking her.
He wasn't trying to break up with her.
He wasn't saying that she wasn't beautiful anymore or anything like that.
He just seemed like he was responding to something that she had asked him.
I read.
He also gave a lot of reassurance.
Yeah.
And didn't he say that like you made fun of me when I gained like a couple of pounds or something?
This instance is like, didn't he say 30 pounds or something?
Or that's what they were implying?
Like that's a very large amount compared to a couple of pounds.
And again, going back to the difference between men and female, we prank fun at guys all the time.
We make fun of them for being shorter or maybe not being as masculine or this, that, or the other.
But when it comes back to females, the direction, the reaction is totally different sometimes.
And the way we expect them to react is totally different sometimes.
I mean, I don't think it's appropriate for her to call him chubs or fat if he's gained a couple pounds either.
I mean, it just doesn't sound like a healthy relationship to me.
I agree.
I'm just saying that happens.
No, no, I completely agree with you.
I do agree with you.
I think that I just, it seems like he was coming from a place of love and he wasn't aggressive or completely.
I completely agree.
Coming at her with malice or anything like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't think this is as controversial of a post as maybe you would have liked it to be.
Which is crazy watching personally.
I don't know why she expects me.
Like what reaction did she expect?
That's an indication of how women just expect sympathy automatically for nothing.
Like there's a bunch of other examples of this in recent media, actually.
Yeah, it's really silly.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I think women tend to be criticized harder, personally, but I just don't think that he was criticizing her, in my opinion.
I think he really just seemed, he seemed like a good partner to me in what he was saying.
Very much so.
I'm also wondering if maybe the weight gain was contributed to like the relationship not being the best.
Maybe she wasn't happy.
Like there's probably some deeper things to unpack there.
I would say it could be anything.
We have absolutely no idea.
But yeah, I think this is less controversial.
I know people online were kind of making a lot of controversy about it.
But when I read it, and I mean, I tend to be pretty, you know, attack mode with stuff like that.
But no, I think he seemed like a good partner in somebody that was just addressing the situation that she had asked for.
Yeah.
I mean, it's pretty shocking, though, that she took a screenshot of that and thought, oh, this is going to be such a W. Like, well, I mean, there's definitely people that sided with her.
But I mean, like, just if you take yourself out of the situation, you look at the actual text message, he's being very diplomatic and polite.
And he does say, hey, you gained some weight.
But it sounds like there was some, we don't know what it was, but either she asked him to be upfront or honest with her about her or any changes in physical appearance.
So who knows?
I think even if she didn't ask before, I think it's reasonable to bring something like that up because that might like affect certain things in the relationship.
Like for example, as shallow as it seems, like attraction, attraction plays a huge part within relationships.
And if he feels no longer attracted to her, then that could be a thing.
And also like gaining a lot of weight might indicate problems with mental health.
So that could have come from a place of that too, being concerned about that, which is why he mentioned like the retreatment or whatever, like in therapy or whatever.
So I think it's perfectly fine.
Like if I gained a few pounds, I'd definitely want my boyfriend to help me.
And if my boyfriend gained a few pounds, I'd definitely say something because you're supposed to move forward as a couple, not move back.
I would say anything to do with looks though is kind of a touchy subject.
So you definitely have to definitely approach it with like as much kindness and empathy.
And I think that he approached it perfectly fine if that were to be the case.
Absolutely.
Well, and I kind of agree with Essie.
I think it's just something that's really sensitive and it could be like a health issue.
It could be a mental health issue.
There's so many different reasons for that.
But I think that as long as you're coming from like a place of kindness, because I see so often in marriages and relationships where a woman has like a baby, for example, and then the male is like, well, I'm not attracted to my wife anymore.
Like her body isn't the same.
And I think that that kind of comes back to it.
Like if you're not going to be attracted to the person that you're with no matter what weight they're at or whatever, then you like shouldn't be with them.
Wait, hold on.
Can you just repeat that?
Sure.
Last part.
I think that if you think that you're going to lose attraction if somebody gains a couple pounds, then you shouldn't be with that person.
Because women, our bodies go through changes throughout our entire life, especially when we're having kids that men also want.
I mean, I see instances all the time where these men are going online or on Reddit and they're like, I'm not attracted to my wife anymore.
Her body isn't the same.
I don't love her anymore because her body isn't pre-baby body.
And I mean, like, that's, you're never going to have pre-baby body again.
That's not what it is.
When a man chooses to have a baby with a woman, I feel like women always feel really bad after.
And they're like, oh, like they have like this expectation that like, oh, like their husband isn't going to view them the same, you know, because your body changes so much when you have a child.
Like when a man has like a kid, it's like, you know, like they're ordering a baby on Amazon Prime, like a woman, like she's carrying the baby for nine months.
Like your body is going through so many changes.
So I think that's really important.
Like I feel like a lot of men do go on Reddit and or even go online or anywhere and they're just like, oh, I don't like my wife anymore.
She's not attractive.
Even though she just like gave birth to their child, like it's so sad.
Well, but I mean, okay, so there's obviously a couple components.
There's weight gain and then which you do have control over.
Perhaps it might take you a bit of time, but there's also like stretch marks from pregnancy.
Okay, so stretch marks, that's pretty much out of your control if you get that from carrying a kid.
I don't think that men should be hounding on their wives for stretch marks.
But when it comes to weight gain, she gained 35 pounds apparently.
What's that?
I said some weight gain in some cases is good weight gain, you know?
But when a man is like, oh no, I like it better when you were thinner, like in my case, like I was very, very thin about two years ago.
And I gained 30 pounds and some guy was like, you're like, you're getting fat.
And like, that's really hurtful, you know?
Like, you don't just say that.
You know?
Like, some weight is good weight.
And again, it can be attributed to health issues.
I mean, for example, like, I've always been a thicker person, but I mean, I have a personal trainer.
I work out five days a week.
I lift weights.
I go to spin classes.
I eat healthy.
I don't eat meat.
I have a dietitian.
I go to doctors and I am insulin resistant.
I'm not a diabetic or anything like that, but it's very, very, very difficult for me to lose weight no matter what I do.
So am I supposed to be in a relationship with somebody that's going to judge me for that when it's something that's completely out of my control?
Wait, what's out of your control?
Being insulin resistant and working out and eating healthy and not losing weight.
Wait, insulin resistant.
Yes.
What is that?
What is it's very difficult for my body to lose weight.
I'm not diabetic or anything like that, but like insulin is extremely necessary in order to lose weight and my body doesn't have a medical diagnosis.
Yes.
To be insulin resistant.
And so that makes it difficult for you to lose weight.
Yes.
So even if you eat at a caloric deficit, you still can't lose weight.
I permanently eat at a caloric deficit.
Really?
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like I said, yeah.
And so that's what I'm saying is like, is that fair for me to, you know, at any point in time have my man be like, oh, well, you've gained weight.
Like, you're unhealthy.
I'm not attracted to you anymore when it's literally something that's out of my control.
I mean, I literally have a trainer.
I do everything I can.
I think it's taking medication too.
Appropriate to disclose that to your partner because if you disclose that to your partner right away, they might be less that's not something you really talk about.
Like, oh, by the way, can't lose weight.
But what if your girlfriend or wife was one way and then gained 40 pounds and you're not attracted to her at her new weight?
I think that let's say you let's say it's okay with the Bebby, whatever the fuck her name is.
They don't have kids.
They don't have kids.
So there was no pregnancy involved.
If we stick to the story, she wasn't pregnant.
She didn't go through a pregnancy.
As far as I know, she doesn't have kids.
She just gained 40 pounds, 35 pounds, whatever it was.
And it wasn't even clear.
He said he loved her, so he wasn't like trying to end the relationship, but she was just butthurt about this text message.
I guess I don't know.
He even still said she's beautiful.
He said, I love you at any weight.
So that's why I'm saying, like, I don't even think that it was malice or that he wasn't attracted to her.
To me, it seemed like a conversation they were having, and she just, for some reason, felt vengeful and decided to screenshot that and post it.
Do you guys think it would be wrong for a guy to break up with his girlfriend?
Again, no child in the picture.
Break up with his girlfriend if she gained like 40 pounds.
I think that's perfectly reasonable.
Honestly, like I said, attraction plays a huge role in relationships.
And if you no longer feel attracted to that person, that's going to set your relationship back quite far.
Like, that's like if a guy were to go bald, say, like, male powdered baldness, and if you no longer feel, well, if someone, like, I feel like, okay, if a guy were to go bald, like, let's just compare the two.
Like, a guy goes bald if a woman doesn't feel like it's not.
Get the scrolling man and you drink.
If a guy were to go bald and a woman were to complain about it, it wouldn't really be as big of a thing because, like, oh, he went bald.
Like, I don't like him anymore.
But if a woman gains weight for some reason, that's a sensitive, touchy topic as opposed to.
Well, relationships are for like the better and for the worse.
Like, if my partner's struggling with like things that affect their, like, if he had a receding hairline or something, like, I still care about him on the inside.
Like, my attractiveness to him may differ, but like, these are all things that can be fixed over time.
Like, if he's, he's bald, he can get a hair transplant or what if he doesn't want to.
If he doesn't want to get a hair transplant, that's on him, but like, I'm not going to break up with him because he's balding.
Like, I don't know, I'm not dating him for his hair.
Like, if a guy is going to break up with me for gaining 40 pounds for like whatever reason, like at least be willing to have a conversation with your partner about your communication.
Like, talk to them about it.
Work through it if you can.
Don't just give up.
I feel like a lot of people just give up way too easily in relationships nowadays.
40 pounds would also usually denote some type of physical or mental health thing that's like really occurring.
So typically the conversation would happen before you got to that typical.
I feel like I wouldn't be like, oh my God, like my boyfriend gained like 40 pounds.
I don't like him anymore.
I don't know.
I feel like that's really shallow.
You're not the type of thing.
Yes, I just said I love it when my men are thicker.
You like thick dudes?
Yeah.
Well, I think it's, I don't know if it's a like I really like this one guy when he was can I say this real quick?
I'm sorry I like interrupted you.
Go ahead.
Okay, I really like this one guy.
Sorry, I like tend to play with the cup.
But I really liked this one guy and he was a little bit like chubbier and then all of a sudden he started losing all this weight and like started going to the gym and like started getting like a really nice body.
I kind of lost attraction.
I'm not going to lie.
Like I was like, oh, like I miss my chubby man.
Like there is so much more to hug.
So he got fit.
Yeah.
And you started losing attraction for him.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think we should see a doctor about that, but I don't know if it's a...
They're squishy, they're fun to hug, fun to cuddle with.
They're not all hard.
Yeah, I think it's perfectly within your right to lose attraction to someone.
If you were attracted to him for being chubbier in the first place and he lost weight, that's perfectly reasonable.
But at the same time, if someone started out as thin and got fat, which like, and they could control it, like, say, male pattern baldness, you can't control that.
Shaving your head, you can control that.
But if they were to get fat, I think it's perfectly within the man's right to be like, step back from the relationship.
I mean, sure, he should bring it up first or stop it before it's too late.
Stop it, whatever.
But I think it's perfectly within anyone's right to express that they don't feel attracted to their partner.
Yeah, also, I mean, I don't know if a guy losing his hair is an apt comparison to.
It's not a comparison, but I just meant like medical.
Oh, yeah.
I just meant like medically gaining weight.
Like if there's like a medical reason going on, I'd say that it's like sort of on the same kind of spectrum as the hair lossing, like male pattern baldness.
But when it's something that you do have control over, like liberty over, like if you choose not to lose the weight that you've gained, and if you went to the gym and you'd just easily lose it like that, I'd say that it's like perfectly like reasonable to be like, hey, I don't really feel attracted to you.
I don't think this is going to work out.
Because that also reflects the person's lifestyle.
And this person has a lifestyle that might set the other partner back.
You don't really want to be a part of that.
And I feel like not wanting to go to the gym, not wanting to improve, that reflects on the person as like, oh, they're lazy.
They just don't want to change.
They just want to sit stagnant in this situation.
No, yeah, I see where you're getting at.
But I think you can, you know, if your couple, your partner is getting some weight, you don't really find them attractive.
I think there's a nice way to say it.
Like, oh, like gym date, you know?
You have to be like, you're getting fat.
Bibi's boyfriend did it.
Honestly, he did it great.
Honestly, if it's not that way, then honey, that's fine.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Bibi was a little very respectful.
There was no reason to post that, BB.
No reason.
I don't know.
Also, if she really loved him, I feel like she wouldn't really out him like that.
Facts.
I feel like if I love somebody, I'm going to protect them no matter what.
I don't want anyone.
I don't want anyone.
I'd say she was already.
Even if I was mad.
Didn't you just say earlier on in the show something about getting revenge on an ex?
I said, yeah, like, you know, like, sometimes you do want to get revenge, but like to put it out there in public and be like, I wouldn't come out here and be like, fuck my ex.
Like, he was, you know, like, say all these, like, terrible things about them because, like, you know, I feel like I've always, when I love somebody, I feel like I will always love them a little bit.
You know, that love will never die for them.
And I also have massive respect for these people that have once been a part of my life.
Like, they came into my life for a reason, you know?
And I wouldn't go out of my way to post something, especially if I have such a huge fan base and anyone and everyone can go and attack them for no reason just because you needed that little hit of feeling like validation, validation.
And I don't know, I feel like, I'm so sorry, BB, but I feel like it was a little immature.
Especially because she's such a huge celebrity and all her fans are probably going to go attack that poor dude.
And he wasn't even, he didn't do that.
He didn't do anything bad.
He's kind of stepped out of the relationship.
Her boyfriend is not like super well known.
Like, I think I looked him up.
He's got like 10,000 followers on.
Oh, that's even worse.
So he doesn't have like the same level of like...
Oh yeah, that's way worse then.
Yeah.
She didn't really love him.
She just sent the dogs after him, basically.
You wanted to get her lick?
All right, let's get a couple super chats.
And we have, we already did that one.
Leon, if you ladies met a potential partner that was of the wealth and status of Jonah Hill, but with the looks of what you find a purse, find a personally a 1010.
And they said, hey, babe, you can quit your job.
all take care of us would you I feel like we already answered it but would you quit your job But this is directed at everybody here, not just the girls who do OnlyFans.
that was of the wealth and status of Jonah Hill.
Okay, so Jonah Hill is, is he an A-list celebrity?
Yeah.
I think he is.
He's not like a leading man, but he's in majority.
He pioneered most of comedy as it is.
He pioneered it.
I feel like Jonah Hill is going to preach.
In other aspects, too.
Millionaire.
He's a millionaire.
And just really quick, going back to the whole surfer chick situation, I think because he's a celebrity and because he's of his status, he's probably a little bit more concerned with what his partner is putting out there on the internet because he has a very public-facing reputation to be considerate of.
But for this super chat, Leon, here, looks of what you find a 10 out of 10.
Okay, so the question is, would you quit your job for a guy who has, who's an A-list celebrity or has that level status, is a millionaire many times over, and is a 10 out of 10 looks?
I think this is an obvious, like, you quit your job?
I think you kind of need to consider, like, what if you hate their personality?
If we're immersing compatible as well.
Yeah, for sure.
Just because they're rich and famous and hot, that's not everything.
Here, show of hands, would you?
Most likely, but like, there's still a chance it wouldn't be the right thing.
If it's immersionally compatible, then absolutely.
All right.
We have BadZXE here.
Hey, thank you, man.
Good to see you in the chat.
Victor, ladies and 305.
Okay.
If you're upset with men setting boundaries, that is mad childish, yo.
A boundary is a set of based on a level of comfortability with certain things.
You can't accept boundaries, then don't be mad when men don't treat you like a lady and more and more of a piece of meat.
We don't give those type of men our time of day.
Oh.
Men that set boundaries?
No, men that treat you like a piece of meat.
Yeah, it's like a little bit of a music.
Oh, fuck.
What?
I just don't agree with you saying that if you can't accept somebody's boundaries, because boundaries go both ways.
So if I'm Sarah, his surfer girlfriend, and I am having the conversation and I go, well, I'm going to keep my career and continue posting what I want.
So I guess we're just not going to be in a relationship.
That doesn't mean that she is devoid of humanity.
Well, I'd say that certain behaviors might lead to men mistreating you.
Like there's certain, like, the way that you portray yourself, for example, not to, like, blame anyone, but like, if you're, yeah, if you have, like, a history of promiscuity, it might lead men to be more.
But do you think that that's okay?
I don't think it's okay, but I think that it's like within the world.
Why justify it?
I'm not justifying it.
I think it's within their reason to maybe react that way to you.
Like if you present yourself as a certain kind of person, you avoid those men.
I mean, that is a broad generalization with men and women.
Like women can make assumptions of men and how they put themselves out there as well.
So I mean, obviously, people are going to judge you based off of what you post and how you put yourself out there.
Yeah, but that, like, again, like, your actions and what you do, what you wear, like, sadly, it does play a big part on how people might treat you.
Like, if I showed up here just in a bra or something, people would be like, oh, she's a whore.
And that's perfectly within their right to assume that or think that.
But you said you're not justifying it, but that is justifying it, saying that it's within their rights.
I'm not necessarily like justifying it, but it's sort of like I could see where they're coming from.
Like, if I saw this, like, fuck boy, like, some guy getting drunk at a party, like a frat guy, I might be like, oh, no, I don't really want to have relations with him, you know, and I'm perfectly justified within my right.
You know, people make judgments based on your character, based on what you're wearing, based on everything.
I think that judgments, while they may not be, like, substantiated, while they may not be true of you, I think that everyone has judgments.
And it's really hard.
I do make a lot of judgments, and I try really hard not to because I personally don't want people making judgments about me.
So I think that goes both ways.
Yeah.
Word?
Okay.
Mr. Fire and Ice.
Love the show, Brian, currently living in Japan and love my current girlfriend over here and makes it easy to see the red flags, majority of women in the U.S. What's y'all thoughts on passport bros?
Red flag.
Red flag.
Big red flag.
Why is that?
You just can't get a woman over here.
That's it.
To be like, hi, I'm going to go find somebody else that doesn't know anything about me and I'm just going to flaunt that I am from a Western state and say that, oh, I'm going to provide for this girl who probably doesn't have an education or is looking for a way out.
So red flag.
Red flag, sir.
I think that maybe, this is me making an assumption, but that passport bros just have a fetish for exotic foreign women that have traditional values.
But that's okay.
Everybody's allowed to have their own.
Is it a fetish to want a woman with traditional values?
I mean, if they're outsourcing it specifically from anywhere else to have a foreign woman, I would say so.
But if it's devoid in the States, then wouldn't they go elsewhere?
It's not devoid in the States.
We have one right here.
It's a lot more difficult to find.
We have one right here.
In Western countries.
You're saying one.
Something like of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
So she's one in ten.
So apply that to the general population.
It's really not that easy for the average guy.
I'm sure that if he wanted to, he could find it.
Yeah, why go all the way?
Like, why make this huge, treacherous journey to, like, go find a girl?
Treacherous.
Treacherous.
I mean, it's a lot of fun.
They do what he sells and shit.
No, that's.
He's literally like pioneering.
Like, when you think of it, he's like.
Is he on the open seas and like the fucking Mayflower?
That's what I'm saying.
I'm sure it's not easy talking to foreign women.
They all got scurvy.
No, I'm sure it's not that easy going out and like talking to like foreign women, you know?
I mean, I just think it's really bizarre to say that it's not available in the United States.
There's 150,000 foreign women in the United States.
And if you go to especially more conservative areas of the country, I am 1,000% sure that it wouldn't be a one in 10 situation if 10 women sat down.
It would probably be way more trad wife in Texas and in Louisiana, Mississippi, et cetera, than it is here.
We live in Los Angeles.
Also, it's probably one in 10 because I'm sure many traditional women are outsourcing to go on a controversial podcast to put themselves out there in the public eye.
So of course it's going to be one in 10.
I feel like that's a weird story.
Got an exhibit A over here.
She's waiting until marriage.
She's been celibate for three years and four months.
How many days has it been?
I don't know.
I went to math.
How many days?
Yeah, like, what do you mean, Dave?
I need it to the hour.
Oh, God, right.
Oh, God.
That's this hour.
Three years, four months, 22 days, 12 hours.
Yeah, 90 hours.
Okay, that's exactly what it is, rock and roll.
So yeah, he's currently in Japan.
Mr. Fire and I. Can I ask you a question?
What's up?
What you got?
What is like, maybe I've even asked you this before.
What is like your dream girl?
My dream girl.
Yeah, like perfect.
Maybe not even your dream girl, but like what are, what is the criteria to date you?
Like what are you looking for?
That's two separate questions.
What are the rules?
That's two separate questions.
Okay.
So my dream girl, I'm going to give kind of an obnoxious answer because I feel like, you know, dream, it's like, okay, she's a trillionaire, virgin, like 10 out of 10 looks, is a simp.
I'm not going to find that.
Yeah, that's the dream, right?
But that's like the obnoxious answer.
I feel like women are much more realistic with their dreams.
No, well, I'm being a little facetious.
Literally, like, some girls will just be like, oh, like, he's tall.
That's it.
That's it.
And then we're like, oh, my God, he has to be tall.
You hate short men.
Literally.
Okay, wait, what's your name?
You gotta be careful.
So your question is, oh, hold on.
We'll let this come in.
Bender the offender divided by the money.
Thank you, Bender the Offender.
Ladies, could it be that women in the Western world are more masculine, more argumentative, and more independent than men would really want?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You can find it.
You just gotta look a little harder.
But can I continue what I was saying?
Okay.
I was gonna say that.
We'll be like, oh, like, we want a tall guy, and that's literally it.
That's it.
Like, oh, I just want a tall guy.
Got the cap.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Women have much more requirements than do men.
Girl, you haven't met me.
A little bit.
So your only requirement is what?
Tall, attractive.
Okay.
That's it.
But to find attractive, what does he need to be?
Oh my gosh, dude, literally, like, I can like the ugliest guys.
Like, what I find attractive will not be attractive to like any of these girls.
Okay, fine.
I'm not going to call cap on that because I remember last time you said there was a certain rapper who you and guess what?
He's not a handsome guy.
Okay, yeah, he actually FaceTimed me.
He actually FaceTimed me and invited me to.
Dude, Loki, I got humbled.
Wait, okay, well, okay, tell us.
What's his name again?
I'm not going to say it because I don't know if I can.
You already said it.
I don't want to say it again.
Who's it?
DJ Wizzleworth?
No, because I still want a chance with him.
I don't want this.
Yeah.
Yo, anybody in the chat remember?
Does anybody remember who he's not attractive?
You're going to put me on the spot.
Okay, but I love him.
So wait, he saw the video and DM'd you?
No.
What happened is I've been DMing this man.
What happened was that I was going to one of his concerts.
I've been to like so many of his concerts, but I was going to one of his concert and he said that he was, he said this city he was going to be in and was like, posted a picture.
And all I commented was, see you tonight, baby.
And then he DM'd me.
He FaceTimed me.
And then he invited me to hang out with him after the show.
Can you give us hints?
Yeah, how did you get humbled too?
What do you mean?
Because when he FaceTimed me, he's like, you look really young.
And then I didn't hear a single word from him after that until after the show.
But by the time the show had ended, it was like far away from where I live.
And I was like already heading back home and I was like drenched in sweat.
Like my mascara was running.
I did not look cute.
So I like, I didn't do anything with him.
But his lyrics scare me.
His lyrics scare me.
So I was like, oh, I don't know.
So you got.
What are his lyrics?
Yeah, because he told me I look young.
He's like, you look too young.
And then that was it.
I thought I was like, I'm going to get to go back.
I'm 21.
21?
He said I looked young.
He's like, you look young.
I mean, you 21, that's young.
You look like a child?
Like, what the fuck?
Yeah, I don't know.
He was just like, you look really young.
He's like, you look like you're not.
You're not catching his face.
Yeah.
He thought you were like under 18 or something.
Yeah, maybe.
I think it's the pigtails.
I didn't have pigtails on that day.
I mean, when I was like a kid, I used to be obsessed.
Like, I could understand the obsession.
I used to be obsessed with Texas Congressman Darren Crenshaw.
I don't know if you ever had a Texas Congressman Canyon.
Why?
Why him?
I don't know.
That was just my childhood celebrity press.
So I totally get the stalker's thing, but.
And to say the song lyrics, this ain't a millie rock, this a money dance, and my dick gain hard.
That's a 30 in my pants.
I've never.
I know exactly what you're talking about now.
I was listening to that in the core.
Really?
I listen to metal.
I don't know.
Same.
I'm like, I don't know.
It doesn't matter what you think.
Okay.
How did we get on to that?
You're asking me what my type is?
Oh, yeah.
And then I said that I like men that are usually seen as unattractive.
If I heard that as a guy and someone asked me, like, wait, wait, did you tell him that?
Like, that's what your type was?
No, why would I tell him that?
I'm just saying that usually my type tends to be guys that people don't really find attractive.
And honestly, good for me because then nobody wants him.
Yeah.
Okay.
But okay, you got into that because I was saying, well, women, I think women demand a lot more from men than do men demand from women.
Yeah, but you disagree.
Yeah.
Who should pay on the first date?
Men are.
Oh my gosh.
And I know we do have to talk about that one, but whoever invites you.
And I'm not inviting anyone out to dinner.
I am the chooser.
I am the decider.
I choose who I want to go out on a date with.
And if he's asking me and inviting me out on a date, then he's got to pay.
What?
You don't like my answer?
Well, I mean, like, whoever, it's just like, okay, whoever asks should pay, but I never ask.
Well, okay.
Then how do you win dates?
Just say men should pay, huh?
Okay, then men should pay.
Word.
Okay, so to answer your question, you want to know what I'm on the.
Yeah, I want to know what you're.
I got a list.
I pulled up a list here.
I got it on my notepad.
Do you like read, like when you find a girl that you like, like, do you like check all this stuff off and you're like, okay, needs this, needs that?
Well, okay, some of these are a bit more like flippant, but let's see.
So is it Dream Girl or is it just what I'm looking for?
Just what you're looking for.
Large labia, very important.
Large labia.
Gots to have large labia.
Otherwise, you know.
Do you want to do that?
Short women, huh?
I have.
Wait, do I like you're telling the oral sex?
Yeah.
I haven't gone down on a girl since the Bush administration.
Oh, my goodness.
There is something going on that men do not like to go down on girls anymore.
Based.
I think.
Based.
One time I was like, gonna, I was like, gonna hook up with this guy, and I like, I was like, okay, like, you know.
And then he's like, oh, no, I don't do that.
Based.
And then he's like, I'm.
He's like, I'm only gonna do that for my wife when I love her.
I'm a fucking legend.
Why?
You see that clutchness?
I am fucking clutch.
That's what's up.
Would you, but if you had a, well, I know you don't want to get married, but if you like really loved somebody.
Really loved somebody.
That's sad.
You've never pleasured a woman, Brian.
Well, what the fuck?
You really think women's pleasure?
Do you think women are women don't finish off of penetration?
They go there.
Bring some toys into the picture, you know?
Itachi.
The toys are the one that's doing the pleasuring, not you.
Oh, hey, hands.
Hands get the job done.
Hands get the job done.
No, they don't.
They don't.
And whoever's saying that's doing it for them is lying.
Just saying that to make you feel better, Brian.
Are you in the bedroom?
Like, what?
what's going on are you fucking just no i'm just are you like in the corner crying Like, how do you know about my escapades?
Because most women lie about that.
That's not true.
Women, have you lied?
Trash.
Have you lied about a man making you finish?
I faked an orgasm.
Yeah, really?
Yes.
I'm very adamant about communicating if I have or haven't finished with my partner because I like to reciprocate pleasure.
So I'm very honest.
If I don't come, I'll tell him.
And usually he's like sad.
He's like, oh, I want to be able to do that for you.
Yeah, that's a pretty bad thing to like fake an orgasm.
That's you're shooting yourself in the foot if you're doing that as a chick.
That was when I was younger.
Now I would try to teach them, coach them, you know, but I think it would definitely involve oral.
Yeah.
Also, like, there's this huge shame about like, if a guy can't get a girl off, like, let's also, like, let's be fair.
It's much harder.
Hold on.
There's no shame.
Some women are like, can come like, some women just come like 10 seconds.
It's insane.
And then multiple orgasms, whatever.
But then there's other women who they can't even get themselves off alone.
There's some women like that too.
So the orgasm response is much more varied in women.
And it's also, for example, I would say that most guys, obviously, you know, there's different anatomical features, but like if a girl was just honestly like put her in doggy position, doggy style, or she could just be a, what's it, what's the term, like a dead horse?
Pillow princess?
Pillow princess, thank you.
Pillow princess.
Dead horse, what the fuck?
That's a really selfish.
She's just, let's say a girl's a pillow princess.
You put 99% of men in that scenario, they can make themselves come.
But if a guy's just laying there, do you think most women could make themselves come if he's not doing anything?
No.
I would say no.
So the orgasm response is very different between men and women.
So I think like, you know, it's harder.
It's a little harder.
I have another question.
Okay.
It's a little off topic, but not really off topic, but do you get post-nut clarity?
Like, do you believe in that?
Like, do you think the girl is ugly after?
You're like, oh, what am I doing?
I don't.
I have had that experience, but it's more so, like, it's more so I just like, I have no more interest in sex.
Like after climax, it's just like, all right, go over there.
No action.
I'm kidding.
No snuggling, no cuddling after.
You know, beware.
Obligatory two minutes away.
Beware.
Literally.
Beware.
Okay, so.
I get the worst post-nut clarity.
Like, I'm in a constant state of, like, if I was in a constant state of clarity, maybe.
So you nut, you nut, and you're like, all right, I'm done.
Yeah, that's actually with my ex-boyfriend.
Like, that would happen multiple times where I'd be like, I am so sorry, I can't continue.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
Like, it was like a really weird thing.
Maybe I just wasn't like, maybe I wasn't like as emotionally connected with him as I thought I was.
But that's actually happened a few amount of times where I've just been in the middle of the day.
I think it's happened a few amount of times.
Like you should just step back and maybe evaluate why it's happening.
Like maybe you're just like entering unfulfilling relationships or if they're just hookups, maybe that's why you feel that way.
Yeah, that could be true.
But even when I was in a happy relationship, I was like, that would still happen.
And then I was like, maybe I don't really like him as much as I can.
Yeah, that could be true, but I think you're destroying your perception of intimacy in relationships.
If you do do hookups, I don't know your personal story.
I don't really do hookups.
I only really hook up with like if I really, really like it.
In general, hookups, not that I've done it with anyone, but I think in general, like no, I sincerely haven't, but like, I think that it does like destroy intimacy, and I think just like having a culture full of that, just like that's like a whole other conversation.
I know, another conversation.
Okay, so let me let me touch on a couple things here, then we'll get back to the super chats.
So, okay, and I will open this up to the rest of the panel.
So, we were talking about oral sex, and you were kind of like, what the fuck, Brian?
You don't go down on the ladies.
Yeah, you're not pleasing.
I'm not allowed.
Listen, it's a preference.
It's a boundary of mine.
What boundary?
It's a boundary.
Are you scared?
It's a boundary.
I'm not scary, baby.
Are you scared?
I'm not scared.
What if the girl was like, oh, okay, I'm not going down on you if you're not going down on me?
I mean, I suppose that's if you want to make it an equality argument.
I suppose, you know, I suppose it's reasonable, although I think that would be more, that's more like if her standard before I revealed this was she doesn't like giving head, that's one thing.
But then it just, to me, it seems almost vindictive.
You won't do this.
It's like tit for tat.
You won't do this, therefore I won't do that.
Yeah, some girls are petty like that.
I wouldn't say it's tit for tat.
I would just say it's like reciprocating pleasure.
If a man isn't willing to do that certain thing for me, then I'm maybe not as willing to give a blowjob to him.
You know what I mean?
And I understand the argument about reciprocity, but I don't necessarily think just because your partner isn't comfortable with doing something doesn't mean that you necessarily have to be like, well, you won't do it, so I won't do it.
But maybe girls are running out of doing it when it is reciprocated.
So, for example, if they're not getting that pleasure in return, they may not actually enjoy it, but if they're getting equal amount of pleasure back from the man going down, then they're going to be like, okay, it's justifiable to do that.
So that new information may change the situation.
Yeah, I mean, but not everyone likes every sex act.
I mean, I'm trying to think of it like a...
Did you have a bad experience?
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, did you?
No, no.
Oh, really?
What was wrong with that pussy, Brian?
Tell us.
What was wrong with that pussy?
Is he going to be a bad person?
Tell us the truth.
It's more so.
Okay, I mean.
Your face is already red.
Is that what you're doing?
Okay, you need to tell us, please.
Yes.
You're blushing.
You're blushing.
I'm not blushing.
Yeah, you are.
I got naturally red chicks.
No, you're literally blushing.
Chat is ready.
I got naturally red chips.
Look, okay, so there's a couple things, right?
So first off, certainly you shouldn't do it in like a one-night stand or like a friends with benefits where there's no, like, there's no exclusivity that's been established.
I would find that, and I don't do it even within the confines of a relationship.
However, the idea of like going down on a girl and she just like fucked a dude yesterday to me, I would be very uncomfortable with that.
But if you just currently feel low-key gay, huh?
It's just, no, it's not about, it's not like that.
It's more just like, it's just a little bit of a double-blind.
But you said that could be applied to a relationship too.
So if she's in a relationship, she's not getting dicked down the day prior.
Oh, you know, some people move in interesting ways.
Well, we pray in her that she would not be.
Let's assume, let's be charitable.
Let's assume that she's definitely faithful and loyal.
Well, okay.
I mean, then it's just like, okay, here's another, I guess we can call it, I call it a boundary.
Some people consider it a hang-up.
I don't like to kiss after a girl's given me head.
How about that?
Oh my gosh, Brian, get out of here.
Get out of here.
That's a reason.
No, you're canceled now.
No, it's like because that's okay.
That is the most S-Loki kind of gay, huh?
What the fuck?
No, it's not that, it's just like...
No, no, no, it's not gay.
Well, no.
All right, then.
What if the girl was like, I'm not going to suck your dick after you like went inside, penetrated me because that's gross.
Brian, like, you're just not secure.
No, I'm secure.
I'm secure.
No, you're not.
No, it's just boundaries.
You can't really appreciate large labia without getting your face buried in your face.
Why is that your preference?
Right.
Why, huh?
You actually want me to articulate why I like large labels.
She just likes to go.
I will tell you.
I will tell you.
I'll tell you, but show of hands, who here has a large labia?
How do you know?
What?
This is a reasonable question to ask sometimes.
I don't like we look every day.
I don't even consider large.
I know.
I don't know.
Like, what are we comparing you to?
The inner, the outer.
What are you talking about?
I would pull up a photo, but it might be.
You want a fat pussy?
Is that what you want?
Doesn't it change the cell?
That was really turned on.
A labia, like inner or outer labia.
I don't know what you mean.
There's inner or outer.
I feel like it gets big if you're like no that's only yeah Yeah.
Your clip gets engorged.
Okay, that's what I'm saying.
There's blood flow, but it's more like an anatomy thing that's there all the time.
I'm a fan.
Do you like camel toes then?
No, no.
Sure, camel toes.
Tell us why.
No, stay it away.
So there's a labia minora, which is the structure that's outside of it, and there's a labia majora, which is like the lips of the vagina, and then the vagina itself.
And then there's like, yeah.
I think what he's referring to is science class.
Biology class.
Yeah, I really love biology.
Look, okay, here's the thing, right?
So first off, and I know we were talking about, you know, within the confines of a relationship, look, definitely you can't be doing that shit if it's like a one-night stand or you just met the chick.
Like, you don't know.
She could have fucked a dude last night.
So of course, under those circumstances, absolutely not.
The other thing, like, if you're, like, if you're, you know, I don't know.
I got neck problems, okay?
He just doesn't like it.
I don't like it.
Why can't I just like it?
See, why is that?
What I don't get is there's such a pushback for guys if they won't go down on a girl.
Because women are always expect.
Because women are always expected to go down on the guy.
He just doesn't like it.
That's not true.
That is true.
That's not true.
It is true.
There's always the guy pushing your head down.
First off, I would just like to say that.
What if I start grabbing the guy who doesn't like it?
I'm going to start to meet him.
No, he just doesn't like it.
He just doesn't like it.
Okay, based off of my own personal experience, that is true because I had been seeing this guy.
And after a few dates, he asked me the question of, I was wondering why you didn't go down on me the first time we had sex.
Like, I was really expecting that.
You were.
So that's my personal example.
The man was expecting me to go down on him the first time we had sex and I didn't.
And he was curious as to why I never did that because he said that's expected to him every time you have sex with a woman.
I have a question for you.
I mean, I don't think any of you expect it, but.
The first time you ever did something with a guy, did you get eaten out first or did you suck dick first?
Suck dick first.
Suck in.
Actually, I'm 69.
Okay?
She's even.
It's fair for her.
But there have been guys where they wanted to go down on me and I wasn't comfortable, but I just did it to them.
Yeah.
Because sometimes it's a comfort thing, I feel like, you know? Sorry.
I mean, that's how I wouldn't have a guy go down on me the first time either.
Yeah, I just think it's like a comfort thing.
Yeah, for sure.
But I do think that most men expect it.
I also like getting other people off.
Like that gets me off pleasuring other people.
So I don't necessarily always need it in return.
I don't think you hear, like, if a girl doesn't want to go down on a guy, I don't think there's like the same degree of shaming as when a guy doesn't want to go down on a girl.
Like, oh, you're not a munch?
Like, what's wrong with you?
Every single girl at this table, when I was like, yeah, I don't really like to do it.
You're like, oh, who hurt you, Brian?
What's wrong with the pussy?
Like, all this shit.
She just doesn't like it.
Thank you, Nev.
Why can't I just, it's a boundary.
I won't eat McDonald's.
I just don't.
I fucking hate McDonald's.
It's gross.
It makes me feel nasty.
Like, if someone waved McDonald's in front of me, I just, no, I don't really want McDonald's.
I'll go get Taco Bell, but I just don't want McDonald's.
But you would put your private parts in the McDonald's?
But I bet most of you would find it pretty tacky or trashy if guys were like, she doesn't suck dick.
She's not a dick sucker.
What's wrong with her?
Most guys are ever even in some way.
And I think there are a lot of women that don't prefer to give blowjobs, but still do because the man expects it.
And if they don't, they're afraid of what they might say or what the repercussions would be.
Yeah.
If you don't tuck that guy's dick, you're not getting called for a second date.
And they talk about it to their friends, too.
Yes, they are.
She doesn't suck dick.
Like, exactly.
What?
Yeah, they're going to tell their friends like, don't get with her.
She doesn't suck dick.
But if you're not going to be able to do this.
I'm going to get with his friends.
You guys.
Hold on.
I wish I had another dude here for a little backup.
But, okay, you guys are, guys, are not sharing the details of their sex lives.
Let me finish.
Right, you're just shy.
No, hold on.
You're a shy little man.
I'm not.
Oh, no.
Sorry, I love calling people little men.
Okay.
Men are not sharing the details of their sex lives to the same degree that women are sharing their sex lives with their female friends.
I do not talk about my sex life with my female friends.
Well, good for you.
I'm not saying all women do it.
However, it's like it's kind of a known thing that like a girl is going to share like literally hours or the next day after she hooks up with a new guy, she gets with her girlfriend or gets her with her group, and that entire group or her girl, her singular girlfriend is going to know the size of the guy's dick, how long he lasted, all these fucking details.
Guys aren't talking about this shit with their guy friends.
Men will show their girlfriends nudes to their guy friends.
I think that's happening multiple times.
Or their sex tastes.
I have heard of that, but I would, me personally, I would never, like, I'm a very discreet person when it comes to my relationships.
I would never discreet.
Are you seeing anybody right now?
Huh?
Are you seeing anybody right now?
What?
Are you seeing anybody right now?
Who knows?
You never know.
He's a private man.
You never know.
It could be, you know, I think something.
Can I ask you another question?
Hold on, let me finish my thing.
Let me finish my thing here.
Very discreet individual.
I would never share a girl's nudes with anybody.
I would never share them.
I would never, bro.
If a guy, for example, let's say I had like crazy monkey sex with a girl the first time and I'm hanging out with like a male friend of mine the next day, he might be like, yo, Brian, so how was it with fucking Becky?
And I'd be like, it was good.
That's it.
I'm not disclosing, like, I'm not saying that's it.
I'm just, oh, it's good.
We had a good time.
Do you think that's the industry standard for men?
I think you're an outlier.
Maybe I'm an outlier, but like, that's a little bit of an outlier.
I'm very discreet about that shit.
Like, because just out of respect for the potential partner or whatever, maybe.
Os chat.
Chat, do you guys do that?
Yeah.
Can you do that?
Like, that also has something to do with age.
Someone's a new, like, Brian, you're an older guy.
You're an older guy, right?
I mean, even when I was younger, I never was like, oh, I fucked some chick yesterday.
Like, I was never, I don't know.
I just thought that's kind of disrespectful.
Good for you, Brian.
Disrespectful.
So, yeah, we could ask the chat.
I don't know if the chat's doing that.
But yeah, as far as me not wanting to go down, look, I got some neck issues.
You know, it hurts my neck.
Oh, my gosh.
You see, you've seen the ice packs.
I'm icing my neck.
My throat has been sore for days after getting head.
You don't hear me complaining.
Oh.
Or like jaw pain.
Yeah, literally.
By the way, this is her own, so let's move on off of this topic.
It's fun, though.
Oh, and I guess just some other things.
Oh, shit.
Hold on.
You asked me what my type was.
Yeah, I was going to say, what age?
Like, what age are you looking for?
Age?
Yeah.
Are you looking for a younger woman, an older woman?
I'm just curious.
Do you like him or something?
No.
No.
I'm just really curious.
He's always asking us questions.
Why can't we ask him questions?
You know what we should do?
Anai.
Okay.
You know what we should do?
We should like record for content.
Like go on a date and like record the date.
Did I not, did I not ask you on a date?
I literally asked you on a date on the show.
So you mean like paying our messages?
Yes, that's what I said.
I asked you.
I literally DM'd you.
I was like, Brian, let's go on a date.
I'll pay because I know you appreciate that.
I thought you wanted to talk about the show.
You're like, Brian, I want to make sure that you're not going to embarrass me.
So I was like, I thought you were going to be able to do it.
Yeah, and so far you're doing a good job.
Well, thank you very much.
No, we can talk about more things.
Whoa, huh?
Yeah, we can talk.
Like, we can have a decent conversation.
What did you do today?
What are you going to do tomorrow?
Yo, did you see that Luffy, they're going to animate his Gear 5, like Joy Boy?
Like, One Piece?
Like, they're animated.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You just brought up conversation.
You know, Luffy.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Okay.
Monkey D Luffy, they're going to animate Gear 5 in August.
I'm so excited.
Wow.
I will not know how to proceed in life without that.
No, no, no.
It's like the event of the summer.
I don't know.
Sorry.
But we should record like a, we should live stream a date.
Yeah.
We'll put like a cloth on the table.
We'll dim the lights.
And that, do you think that'd be, what will we talk about though?
That's a good question.
Madison will be our server.
She will like bring food wine.
Right, Madison?
Yep.
Okay.
My type, I like short women.
Okay, it's not like a deal breaker, though.
Like if a girl, like I'll date a chick who's 6'5, I don't care.
But I have a slight preference for like short women, I'd say.
But what about their age?
Yeah, you just said height.
I'll date, I mean, actually, most, I feel like.
What old are young?
What's too young for you?
I'm 34.
So I've been like, I actually recently, like, a lot of the women, I've been like dating older recently, like, I feel like a little bit.
Okay.
What's young?
Like, for example, like a year ago, I dated like a girl who's like 44.
You know, that was like a year ago or something, I think.
Oh, all right.
What's young, though?
What's young?
What would you get?
Okay, so, okay.
I would date, I wouldn't date a single mother, so like, but I'll date 18 to 40.
18?
What's wrong?
40.
But what do you still consider young?
What do you mean?
Like, under 30?
Like, what do you still consider to be?
18 to 25?
25.
That's your Leonardo DiCaprio over here.
But they don't age out with him.
Because, you know, he dated a 44-year-old.
True.
To her credit, I mean, no kids.
I've dated mostly younger guys.
So recently.
I could never date a younger guys.
I'm getting into older men because I don't know if it has, like, I have a really good relationship with my father.
And, like, I know, like, I guess, like, apparently, like, an older man has something to do with that.
Well, apparently.
I'm not saying it does, but like, I had a pretty good relationship.
I don't know.
Most of my boyfriends, like, have been, like, younger than me.
Like, growing up, like, high school, they were younger than me.
I don't know.
I've dated older and younger, and I have a great relationship with my dad.
Me too.
That matters.
I don't know.
That's just what I heard.
My father.
That's just what I heard.
Let's see.
What else?
Okay.
Here's another thing I like.
Her parents made her do at least three years of violin or cello.
Really?
Watch very specifically.
I will also accept piano, but preferably violin or cello.
So it has to be a musical instrument.
Because the hand dexterity.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
That's very hand dexterous for a long time.
Very important.
That's typically going to preclude, you know, that pretty much limits me to mostly Asian women.
So are you a passport, bro?
No.
Although maybe I should move.
Maybe I'm moving to who knows.
Yeah.
Peace is good.
Peace, you know.
Don't like argument, quarrelsome, quarrelsome women, you know?
Don't you?
Okay, okay.
I like more intro.
I typically prefer more introverted women because I feel like I'm more introverted.
I like kind of nerdy, shyish women who may be a little shy, a little nerdy is good, I guess.
Where are you meeting these women?
Yeah.
How do you meet these girls?
Have you ever been on a date with a girl that you've invited onto the panel?
What's that smell?
Smells soft.
What the phone?
I don't know.
It smells so.
No comment on that.
Let's see.
And no offense to any of the ladies here.
I don't like women with plastic surgery.
Why?
It's not.
What do you mean?
I don't think anyone here has can.
Who are you saying that to?
No offense.
I prefer women who are.
Sans plastic surgery.
But if she got like a little nose job or something.
That's still plastic surgery.
There's degree.
Okay, there's degrees to it, right?
What about Botox?
That's what I'm doing.
Like lip fillers?
Okay, let's say like not me personally, like I'm not attracted to like lipo belly or like BBL or fake tits.
You know, it's not.
Okay, here's my thing, right?
With plastic surgery.
Damn.
She's like, I'm not.
Because I, yeah, I was in line, right?
Here's my thing.
Like, I would prefer, let's say a girl was totally flat, right?
She was totally flat, but then she got fake tits.
I would, even now she's got big fucking fake doubled E's, right?
Big fake tits, whatever.
I would prefer a girl who's got small breasts that are natural over fake.
Me personally.
And that's okay.
And that's very fair.
That's fine.
Same with the lips.
I'd prefer if she just, however she was naturally, if she had a small upper lip, whatever the fuck.
I'd prefer that over the fake lips.
So is like Botox and filler a deal breaker for you?
Or is that, would you be okay with that, especially because it does go away over time?
It's not a total deal breaker.
again it scales right like a lip filler it's like my only concern is it's a little bit of a red flag Why would you consider that a red flag?
It's you've you've acted upon your vanity.
Like it's acted upon, I don't know if this is the right term, body dysmorphia, body dysphoria.
I don't know if that's the right term.
Body dysmorphia is when you like look in the mirror and don't register what you actually look like.
Then maybe it's dysphoria.
No, dysphoria is trans.
No, dysphoria can apply to things outside of transgenderism.
Well, it can, but I mean, dysphoria in itself is a feeling.
It's describing it.
No, no, no.
I think that's dysmorphia, no?
Dysmorphia is, yes.
Dysmorphia is like what anorexic people would feel, for example, on some level.
Yes, exactly.
Dysmorphia.
But so I mean, like, well, I guess, like you said, there's levels to it.
But I don't think that everybody that gets lip filler or plastic surgery has and definitely has body dysmorphia.
I think that that's like an extreme end of the spectrum.
But like, aren't you so, and look, I could be wrong, but aren't you so dissatisfied with how your body is presenting itself that you've opted to undergo a dangerous and otherwise unnecessary and not medically indicated surgery to enhance yourself cosmetically?
Yeah, and it could reflect the mental state of the person, like Brian was saying, with the dysmorphia dysphoria.
Could show like oh, they might be insecure, they might have a bit of problems or something right.
But I'm saying that's an extreme end.
That doesn't make mean everybody that gets plastic surgery qualifies and is under that category.
I mean, I guess, like you don't.
Okay, so if you get plastic surgery, it doesn't necessarily mean that you have body dysmorphia.
But uh, because I mean like Botox, for example, is just like a maintenance of your face, like all it does is paralyze certain muscles in your face so that you don't get wrinkles.
So I mean that's kind of just like Botox is different to Phyllis, though.
So Phyllis, like I, don't get fillers in their cheeks, where their cheeks are literally like, and I guess like it's crazy that some of these girls, when they get the lip fillers, it's like do you not see how you look in the mirror, girl?
Like literally they're like big daffy, duck lips.
Yeah, there's definitely.
There's definitely extremes to it.
I actually used to work at a med spa.
I was a gm at the moment yeah, I don't have anything done really but um, I worked at one and so I would see both ends of the spectrum of people that are coming in and just doing like maintain maintenance, botox and maybe a little lip filler and then I would see the other end bend of the offender donated 99.
No man wants to kiss hot dog lips, fair enough.
Yeah, I mean, you know, and there's people that definitely like, are super insecure with themselves and come in and get the big cheeks and get the big lips and they don't.
They, I would say they're more on like a dysmorphic end of things, where they're not, it's not registering properly in the mirror what they're saying, what they're seeing, and that is sad um, but again, I don't think that that's across the board with people that get cosmetic work done.
Yeah, I don't know, I just saw a chat.
They said something about paralyzed, paralyzed muscles.
I don't mean to be a nerd emoji here, but she's actually kind of right because uh, it's really interesting.
Uh, there's this disease or there's something you can try, called botulism.
It's found in like canned foods expired canned foods and in dirt, like the virus itself, and they found a way to utilize that virus for medical reasons.
And yeah, botox does create like temporary, not temporary, it does create paralysis and uh, botulism itself it's really interesting because once it's in your body, you do get paralyzed within seven hours and it kills you, I don't know.
I just I just wanted to mention yeah, because it's like my favorite disease.
I don't like i'm really into medical.
That's what botox is yeah, botox.
Botox is a neurotoxin yeah, and there's lots of cases where they paralyze so much that the everything starts drooping and the muscles literally stop working.
Yeah, and there are.
There are actual medical things that botox actually helps.
And there's like headache yeah, it helps migraines, it can help lock jaw, yeah, there's a bunch of and it can actually help.
So it depends on what you're doing, it for sure.
And I, botoxin is like my favorite disease.
I just think that like, plastic surgery is kind of predatory and that like, women are like there's this culture in the media that is like here is this beauty standard and you had it with Kim Kardashian, where it's like this really ridiculous.
I mean, she's had, she's had probably I don't know how many plastic surgeries he had bbl lipo, fake tits, all this shit right.
And I mean one, I think it's there's a financial component to it of you're spending all this money.
So it's like okay, well there, so there's a financial component, there's a van vanity component and um, I mean I, I just maybe, this is almost I oh, it's almost.
It's weird.
There's like two feminist positions on this.
It's either one feminist position is, women should not feel compelled to undergo these dangerous and unnecessary surgeries, to adhere to this beauty standard.
And then the other one is, well, if you know, if it makes them happy, then you go girl, like you shouldn't be shamed for wearing makeup or getting plastic surgery like, feel empowered, like whatever.
So there's actually two divergent feminist positions on it but um, I do think it's unfortunate that uh we, we have, we put these Burdensome beauty standards on women that they feel compelled to go under the knife.
And anytime you go undergo anesthesia, there's certain risks involved.
Look, most people get plastic surgery without any sort of consequence, but there's risk of infection.
I mean, I think you have to get them redone every 10 years.
For implants, the breast implants, I think you need to do that.
You can't get the implants because now they're making it.
There's different ones, but you have to redo them.
And then I think they're pretty safe now, but I've heard in the past that there was leaking, they could leak.
In the mold.
It made people sick and stuff.
Yeah, the implants are literally prepped with arsenic and lead.
And I don't think, honestly, what you were saying about the culture, there is a lot of pressure for women to look a certain way.
And I definitely have an A-cup or a B-cup, for sure.
And so you definitely feel like, okay, well, I'm not the beauty standard.
Sometimes you feel that way, then you realize, you know, that's false.
But over time, I learned, I did a lot of research too, and I didn't realize how crazy what they do to just prep the boobs and everything.
It's a friend of mine literally had to get hers taken out because they consistently gave her like a sharp stabbing pain like in the middle of her chest and then other health issues that came up and apparently that's not an uncommon thing.
When she started doing her research, there were many people that confirmed the exact same thing.
And so women need to go into that being aware of the ramifications.
It's called beautiful.
And oftentimes they're not because it's so normalized.
So if you're uncomfortable with this, well, hey, go ahead and fix it.
So it's a symptom of this microwave mentality that we have as a generation right now.
And then, I mean, also as a fan of large labia, there are 10,000, 10,000 unnecessary labia plasties a year performed in the United States.
And I think I think this is, it's a tragedy that women are getting their, they're mutilating their, you know, mutilating their mutilating, not the part that you like.
No, it's they're getting their lips.
They're chopping off the lips, son.
The lips are getting chopped off, and it's a tragedy.
Ladies, any ladies watching who are considering a labia plasty, my DMs are open.
I will talk you out of it.
I will convince you not to do it.
But, I mean, also, I just, look, it's, look, do generally speaking, do men like large breasts?
Yes.
But, you know, I think like, if you think about it, the guy who's really going to care about you and you're going to really care about him, do you think it's going to be like the deal breaker that like if you had your breasts however they were before you got fake tits?
Is that going to be the like?
I don't know.
I don't think so.
You have something?
I was just going to say, I recently got my boobs done.
Okay.
And my boyfriend likes them both ways.
So he loves me.
Well, yeah, but you were with him before.
Were you like, what was the size of the?
I mean, I'd say I had like a B, probably.
Okay.
And he was dating you before, you know?
But I mean, it's not clear to me.
I'm not sure if women are necessarily getting plastic surgery for men.
Maybe there's a component of that, but maybe.
Both men and women play a part in perpetuating the plastic surgery industry.
They very much keep it alive.
Like women, for example, like Kim Kardashian, a ton of people.
Like just having those people as like role models.
Well, I wouldn't say Kim K specifically is a role model, but let's look at Kylie.
She's like a billionaire.
A lot of little girls might look up to her because she has like a blossoming, blooming makeup industry and she also has like this huge show.
I think that having people like that as like, oh, Forbes, top 100 young, whatever, having people like that just really does terrible shit to the industry as a whole.
Like you'll see new shit pop up every day.
Like you'll see buccal fat removal.
Like that was a huge thing.
Like a ton of like female celebrities started getting that and like it, just like that.
Like you'll find that they're putting out things that you didn't even know you should have been insecure about.
Like Google Fat removal that I mean, I myself have a big jaw, big cheeks.
That's like removing it, getting rid of the unique oh, I've heard that them giving that.
Look like the chiseled cheeks.
Literally removing a muscle yeah, your face, which happens naturally over time anyway right, like as you get older, that salts out.
So imagine what they're gonna look like.
And like that's what the doctors are saying, that when they're, they're gonna get filters and they're gonna look like an actual skeleton, right.
So anyways, I think that women do play a part in contributing to the harmful industry.
By well, I think it's both.
I mean there's an unrealistic yeah, it's an unrealistic beauty standard from men and from women, you know.
And I mean there's also the reverse of it too, like women that want to reduce their breasts or whatever, and you see men up in arms all the time.
You're taking away God's gift, you're doing X, Y and Z and it's like you know again, for health reasons, they're on the same yeah, but you get the people that are saying the same thing like that's a deal breaker.
Surely they're just trolling, though they're not actually being serious.
I had a friend who had hers reduced.
She was, I believe, like a G like myself and she went and had them reduced and she's a Twitch streamer and her for like months.
You ruined yourself, you ruined your body, like emails messages, Twitch chat, everything and it's like, but I mean, I think it's an unrealistic beauty standard, whether it's a reduction or you're getting implants or whatever you know.
Right, and what's different, your stream channel versus like a partner, like your partner, like if you get reduced to a dating your partner's still like, I got a big titty bitch and you're not.
You don't have back pain anymore.
Great, even better.
Like I don't think you would have a problem.
You know word okay, but I think this is similar because, like in One Piece, you know the women.
They had such small breasts but then, as time waned on, they gradually got bigger and bigger.
Well, they also engored during pregnancy yeah, and pregnancy.
Well, just just to put a little wrap up on the on this topic um yeah, I mean.
So okay, i'd say the two that are are deal breakers for me would be bbl and lipo.
Yeah, not lobby plusy, are you sure, Brian?
That seems like that would be your number one deal breakup.
Sure, add it to the list.
No no no, because it's like fake breasts.
It's like it's kind of a little i'd prefer you without.
But uh, and then like what if they looked real and you just didn't know?
I mean, i've got a good eye for lobby plasty.
The time benefits are like, how many people do you think have fake moves at this table?
How many are you guys?
Are you really inviting me to just stare at your tits right now?
Okay, let me take a look.
You're the expert.
Okay fake, fake.
You're wearing a shirt.
You admitted to it.
Real real, wait me what?
I'm not even real real, real is that?
Yeah, I think you nailed it.
Yeah yeah um, but I don't know.
It's the same with like okay, take the lipo thing right, I would prefer because i've seen the lipo belly right, I would prefer a girl with like a little teeny belly, like a little pudge, versus the flat lipo belly.
You know, you know what i'm saying.
Yeah, you know what i'm saying.
You're allowed to have your own preferences, that's okay.
Yeah yeah, that's fine.
Also, I feel like I feel like girls with fake tits don't really go for me.
I I don't feel like i'm the type of guy chicks with fake titties go for.
Maybe you're just like admitting that aura, you don't want fake chicks around you.
No, I don't know.
I feel like uh, i'm just not the type of guy that those types of girls go for.
Women with small breasts, love you, love me and huge absolute.
I'm irresistible to small breasted women.
But Okay, all right, moving on.
All right, okay, all right, let's move on.
Let's move on.
Okay.
I think we, I don't know how we even got there.
Okay, women, we, wait, this one?
Do we even address this one?
Yeah.
We're talking about passport bros.
Here, let's try to bang through a bunch of these.
Okay, the cast man, 777.
Thank you, man.
Women who are homemakers aren't.
By the way, sorry that we're just getting to these guys.
I know these came in like a while ago.
Go ahead.
Women who are homemakers are not performing unpaid labor.
That is complete nonsense.
They are paid through the husband's job.
The men and women are partners in the house, and the women is paid for her work through the husband provides.
Wow, you should be a voiceover.
Sorry, I needed to promote myself.
That was beautiful.
Thank you.
Yo, Cassman, thank you for the super chat.
Appreciate it.
Yo, John Ryan, thank you for the sins.
Oh, Filipino peso?
Mercy Buku?
I think they, what do they speak it?
They speak Tagalog, aren't it?
Tagalog?
Tagalog.
Is that what you speak, Matt?
Tag.
Tagalog.
Tagalog.
Okay, yo, Azul69.
Hey, Azul, dude.
Good to see you back in the chat, man.
It's been a minute.
High ticket sale.
Lovely.
Big fan of your country and its contributions to the world like the EPL in Brexit.
Wait, what?
I'm pretty sure you're Australian.
Yeah, yeah.
Brexit is, I think that's like a English.
Yeah, it's a British thing because we're the monarchy.
We're actually colonized by the English.
So I've heard of that one, but EPL, I have no clue what that is.
Word?
Yeah.
Okay.
And then, Brian, who would you say is the biggest cuckoo bird?
Steph Curry, Adam 22, or Bill de Blanchie?
What did Steph Curry do recently?
Yeah, and isn't Bill de Blanchio, was it?
He's the mayor of New York?
I heard about that Adam 22 shoot.
That shit's wild, bro.
I think he's making us bad.
Hella money right now.
Steph Curry got cucked?
I don't fucking know.
They're just getting more and more views on that video.
I know.
Dude, the way that he went about it, like, I've jacked off to my wife getting fucked by a, you know, like.
It's obviously a publicity stunt, but like, there's no, there's no fucking way I'm down with my wife fucking another dude.
I feel like it's not as a jerk.
I feel like they will hide one night and we're like, babe, what do you think would happen if you did this?
And then the more they talked about it, they're like, wait.
Can we actually do it?
Like, I bet that's exactly how it went down.
No, I think they knew what they were getting into.
I think they're both pretty smart people.
I think they've been in the industry for a really long time.
And I think they know they, like, Adam22, he has his podcast.
He interviews like a bunch of guys.
And I think he knew what their reaction was going to be.
And I think he also knows that it's such a big topic right now.
And I think he knows that it's going to get even more and more and more views.
And they're just going to get even more money.
So in the long run, they're winning.
Their relationship seems like it's strong.
It's very calculated.
It's very calculated.
And then you guys can have your own.
No, but it's very calculated.
I mean, you can tell because he's obviously, it's not just like they did it and then he's like embarrassed.
Like he's obviously kind of, you know.
Doubling down.
All right, we have John Ryan.
I think John Ryan here.
You're looking classy and sharp, Amy.
You're a fan from the Philippines.
Okay.
You just did, bro.
You just revealed yourself.
All right.
Ninja Smokehouse.
Let's see, let's have, who can we have read this?
Let's have you read.
Can you see it?
Yeah.
The problem is women who assume the worst in men.
Thinking is reality.
Not understanding that if married, you win.
Did I read that right?
Not understanding that if married, you win.
And if he leaves, you get what was his.
But instead, women choose trash men who may leave to have kids with.
Stop choosing trash men.
Words.
Here's Grammily, sir.
I just hate how everyone keeps saying, oh, well, that's your fault for making a bad decision and choosing the wrong guy.
But when these women are meeting these men, they're not the bad guy.
Like, they're falling in love with a completely different person, you know?
It's over time that they choose, that that person chooses to change, you know?
So it's not the woman's fault.
And a lot of time they put on a facade in order to get the woman that they want.
And then once the woman is deep enough into the relationship and he feels like she won't leave, they start unveiling these things little by little.
And then it makes it very complicated to leave.
Kind of like makeup.
What?
Why do you think?
Makeup.
Oh, my God.
Why do you act like makeup changes your whole facial structure?
It can.
I mean, unless it's like affects makeup, like talented, talented artists that's like transforming their face into something else.
A regular girl isn't doing that on the day-to-day.
We're enhancing the beauty.
What's that trans girl, Nikki something, though?
Have you heard of her Nikki tutorials?
That is a whole man previously.
And I mean, still looks, I mean, years into the transition, still looks pretty, like, feminine, like pauses.
But when that makeup is on, whole different human.
I think she looks the same.
Yeah.
I think her facial structure doesn't change.
She's really good at makeup.
Yeah, they do kind of look different.
I think she looks completely different.
Like no makeup to makeup, I would not think that's the same person.
Like if I met her with makeup and then randomly ran into that person at Starbucks, I would not immediately think that that is the same person.
Some people might feel like that.
That's how you know your cake is good.
Yeah.
Some people might feel deceived.
I also think, I think makeup is an entirely different thing from a personality.
Yeah, I'd say a skill.
And that's her job.
I'd say that some people might feel deceived by it, similar to like how you might feel if a man shaves his beard and it's like he doesn't really have a chin.
Maybe it's a recessive chin.
I'd say that it could have something like, it's very similar.
I think that's like, it's kind of hypocritical.
Like if you say like, white woman's.
Yeah, I think of a more fair comparison as a guy who's wearing a hat.
Hat fishing.
Bald under the hat.
Yeah, sure.
That too.
That too.
I think that's pretty much it.
But I'd say that like overall, it's just like, in a way, it is deception.
I think your example is good because honestly, there is girls who can contour so good that they could like contour out like a double chin or they could like contour like like that only looks chiseled cheeks where there aren't any, and that kind of that only, really only looks good on camera when you really see it and in real life it doesn't work.
It doesn't look that good.
It's mostly just, it's mostly just for like the view.
But can we talk about all the girls here that have their hair dyed?
You know she's wearing contacts.
We're all wearing makeup.
We can't just attack it.
It's, it is what it is.
No, it makes us girls and it's a beautiful thing.
Wearing makeup I love we bought into the culture.
Yeah exactly, and it's not attacking, it's just simply stating that you can recognize that yes, you can completely change your facial structure.
Is that demonizing makeup?
No, it's just admitting that of its capabilities.
I'm very aware of makeup.
Jordan Peterson literally stated that makeup should be banned in the workplace.
Because did you know that when you put on makeup, it actually mimics the way you look when you're aroused?
When you're aroused, your pupils dilate, the blood capill, the blood capillaries in your lips and cheeks go off, which causes your cheeks to blush and your lips to blush and your pupils dilate when you're aroused.
When you wet makeup you, You put rouge on your cheeks, darken your lips, and put darker makeup.
We're wearing eyeliner right now, at least mascara, which replicates the way you look when your pupils are dilated.
It's the exact same thing.
I mean, I'm not going to listen to anything Jordan Peters says this fact.
Jordan Peterson says this fact, but also there are many different types of makeup looks that I would not say what I look like when I'm aroused.
I think that's a very bizarre comparison.
Someone who's studied medical shit, I think she is right.
Pretty good book.
It's pretty accurate.
I mean, you can dismiss it, but it's pretty accurate, actually.
I'll keep living my life without it.
Arousal, because I did study medicine, like a bit of it.
And yeah, that is right.
And a lot of looks were made after that with that intention, like blush, that sort of thing.
Like they were manufactured with that intent.
I mean, obviously, like ancient Egyptian makeup and shit, we're not talking about that.
that's where it all stems from yeah but we're talking about modern times and the correlation and when you come to modern times you know this is but you're stating that makeup is basically in order to mimic your arousal I'm saying it's what incidentally does, not necessarily that it was made with the intention to do so, but a comparison can be drawn and a very clear comparison out there.
You know, back in the day, let's note, but back in the 30s.
Yeah, it's really not that.
Back in the 30s, they took advantage of like, I think it was uranium.
I forgot.
If you've heard of the uranium girls, they took advantage of it.
Like, they used it to paint clocks and stuff, but they also used it because it would dilate eyes and it would also like make things pop.
Like they went as far as they use uranium and it ended up getting the girls really sick.
Based.
Just kidding.
I think makeup is a beautiful thing.
I love putting on my music and looking at myself in the mirror and like playing with makeup.
Like it's so much fun and that's what makes us girls.
And I think there's a lot of like, do you like having a high-maintenance girl?
Like would you like to have a high-maintenance girl?
No.
Why not?
Like a woman that takes care of herself.
That's what I mean.
Do I know that's high?
Really?
Because I would consider myself high-maintenance because I try to take really good care of myself.
I go get my nails done.
I go get my eyelashes done.
I think you could have one without the other.
So I wouldn't classify like somebody who takes care of themselves as also being high maintenance.
You're probably just both of those things.
Because you can take care of yourself without getting nails on yourself.
The no-makeup.
Minimal thing.
But I think a lot of men think that they like that.
I'm not saying you in particular.
I believe what you're saying.
But I think a lot of men say that they like that, but then they'll look at a picture of Kim Kardashian and be like, look at her.
She's natural beauty.
She's not wearing any eyelashes.
And I'm like, eyebrows, eyeliner, mascara, foundation.
I have a lot of comprehension when it comes to that.
Because I've had some guys be like, are those your real eyelashes?
I think it has to do with moderation.
But you could say, like, you could look at a girl and you could be like, well, she does look better with makeup on.
Despite this, I still prefer her without makeup because that's how she actually looks.
I think it has to do with moderation.
Like, I personally, I used to be, like, goth, so I would wear heavy makeup.
And I loved it.
And I've seen a lot of like alternative looks that I absolutely adore.
But I think when it comes to certain people, like what they're into, it just boils down to moderation.
Like, for example, like your eyelashes are fairly big.
If a man like wants a girl who wears eyelashes, like, oh, I'm fine with her wearing lashes.
He might mean like something that hardly looks like you're wearing an eyelashes.
Also, we're not like wearing full face every single day.
Like at work, zero makeup.
I work healthcare.
You cannot wear makeup.
Your face will break out.
Yeah, I think that like it's just, it boils down to moderation.
Like, a guy, like, if he wants a girl with dyed hair, he might not want, like, some crazy color.
He might just want, like...
Let's move on.
We have Mary here.
Hold on, we got to move on.
Just to get caught up.
Yo, FNF would destroy all these OF girls wrong, but just notice how they talk over and yell to force their point.
Exceptions don't make it a fact.
It's disappointing that the Mexican queen has a boyfriend.
Keep your head up.
I believe that's for you.
Facts over feelings, WWW, Brian.
Thank you, Barry, for your donation, man.
Appreciate it.
We have, did we do, wait, wait, did we do?
Yeah, no.
Brian, you have said that the genie of feminism is not going back in the bottle, but history proves otherwise.
Look at Iran, 1970 versus today.
The West is in for a backslide of epic proportions back to truly oppressive patriarchy.
Very scary for women from testing tolerance.
Well, I mean, there's a lot of immigration in Europe, which, I mean, that's another, you know, so you could.
Iran is a little different, though, than a lot of Western countries in the U.S.
But I mean, that's getting into some politics stuff.
The slide back in Iran was due to a political coup in Iran, and that's why they had that.
And it was an American and British coup in Iran.
So we kind of are the people that enforced that.
But I think he's more so talking about like the rollback of Roe versus Wade and things like that in America.
I don't think that's what he's talking about.
Really?
You don't?
No.
I don't think that's what he's getting at.
I mean, he's saying that because Iran in 1970 was very progressive and it was like very feminist.
It was.
And then he's saying the West, which would be America and like Europe, is in for a backslide of epic proportions to truly oppressive patriarchy, which would kind of fall under like Roe being rolled back and things like that.
Well, it's not clear to me.
It's not clear to me if Roe v. Wade getting rolled back is due to patriarchy, because I think there's actually more women who are pro-life than there are men who are pro-life.
Roe versus Wade was an overturned with the intention of absolving abortion rights.
Let's not talk.
I don't really talk about it.
Yeah, hold on.
I'm going to say it's a very heavy.
All right, we have Austin.
Zipit good.
Okay.
Austin Smith, thank you very much for your blank $100 super chat, man.
Thank you.
We have Eyes Wide Shut 1989, Mary C. Bucou for the Canadian 50.
I don't know if you're from the Canadian speaking apart.
We have the smartest people are the ones who are quietly listening and absorbing everything that is being said around them.
The chatter boxes are too busy listening to themselves to really understand what they're even talking about.
Take note, bangs.
Do you have anything to say to our Canadian brother?
I feel like I've been actually listening a lot.
Oh.
Oh.
Okay.
All right.
We have Austin Smith here.
This is the message I meant to send for the girl to hate on the man for having a foreign wife.
My wife is Thai.
She's college educated, has her own business, and beautiful.
I was in the military.
I've never had an issue with getting a woman.
Yeah, we did kind of briefly touch on the passport bro things, but it kind of derailed a little bit.
So who here, does anyone here object to the, or think it's kind of like funny that dudes are going overseas?
One thing that is interesting to me, and I know I just asked a question without letting you guys respond.
One thing that is interesting to me is, you know, you have a lot of guys going overseas to find women, but you don't really hear about guys coming to the U.S. To find women.
You know what I'm saying?
In Mexico, yes.
What?
In Mexico, yes.
Like, all you got to be like, I got papers, and they want you.
Yeah, but that, like, for actual genuine romantic.
Well, I don't necessarily think that past pros are finding genuine romantic connections either.
The women want papers or some sort of escape from their life.
And then the men are just want.
Yeah, the man just wants to provide and have a trad wife that he can bring to the United States.
So it's kind of a transactional deal.
Yeah.
Either way that you're slicing it.
And his situation is different.
I mean, you were in the military and you met a woman, I'm assuming, while you were on base in another country, that's like completely different than being a passport bro.
Right.
Okay, so good for him.
Yeah.
Good for you.
But look, I think what's happening is a lot of men are not finding success with dating in the West, in the United States.
And so they're going to where they are appreciated, which is overseas.
If you can't find women who appreciate you, then they're going elsewhere.
Yeah, but I think in a lot of cases that they're expecting something that they're never going to get.
I mean, there was a clip that went viral, what, like a week and a half, two weeks ago of a guy that was a passport bro went to Morocco to find a traditional wife, and he was being set up by a matchmaker.
And the woman was like, okay, yeah, I'll be the traditional wife, but you have to pay for everything.
And he was like, wait, wait, you're not 50-50.
And she's like.
Was this like a set up TikTok?
No, no, this was on 90 Day Fiancé.
So it was a legitimate ring.
Yeah, it was 90 Day Fiancé.
90 Day Fiancé.
Never heard of it.
It's a good show.
It is a good question.
I would recommend watching Anfisa.
Pick the best.
Oh, Anfis.
Fisa was the best.
She was a queen.
Is Morocco the premier destination for passport bros?
Well, it's one of them because it's where traditional women are.
I mean, Moroccan women are heavily traditional.
They want to be the homemaker, the breadwinner.
Is Morocco?
More Muslim?
Yeah.
That was good.
Yeah.
But typically when you hear of Passport Bros, you either hear Latin America or you hear...
Yeah, Asia, so, I mean, I suppose if you're Muslim, then I'd...
It's the same traditional standards and values.
But so a lot of these men go over there thinking they're going to find the American set of values of a woman that'll pay 50-50 with a man and also have a traditional wife when that's not going to happen.
And like that clip went viral and that is not the only case of that happening.
They think they're going to find a 50-50 woman who's also going to do all of the household chores and take care of the family and do everything else and wait on him hand and foot while he doesn't want to pay for everything and provide.
I mean, I can't speak for all the men that are passport bros, but it's maybe a bit of a straw man to say that these guys who are passport bros are expecting like tradition, they want to do 50-50 with traditional women.
Well, I'm saying this off of something that actually like was already perpetuated online.
I mean, obviously.
It's a reality TV show where producers are intentionally stoking controversial stuff.
They're like real situations.
It's not really interference.
I mean, like they're real relationships and marriages.
I mean, reality shows are like notorious for being scripted.
No one's getting married.
No one is moving to another country for a reality show that they're not getting paid for.
Well, I mean, I haven't seen the show, so I can't speak to the specifics of this.
You should watch it.
I feel like you'll have a lot of content from that for sure.
But I'm not saying that it's every single passport bro that's looking for that and thinks that that's gonna happen, but I mean, they're definitely out there.
I've said that some moments in that show, because I've seen that show, my parents forced me to watch it.
I'd say that some moments are scripted and other moments aren't.
Like the situations that they get in, like, might not be, I mean, are kind of set up to go a certain way, but some parts aren't scripted.
But I wouldn't really like base an entire argument on that show specifically because of its history, like, especially, like, there's been so many channels exposing it as fake.
Like, I'm sure you've seen it, so you remember that Stephanie plotline?
Is there any statistics?
Oh, that's my friend.
On passport bros, because I feel like we kind of have to go off what we see in the media to like make assumptions.
I mean, not make us a lot of fun.
Okay, who cares about the reality show?
Okay, we have a chat from Patty LeBowman from Australia.
Thank you for the 50.
Did you taste another man's spoof in the girl you're seeing?
Is this your trauma?
What is spoof?
Hopefully not, but I don't think so, but like, that's just, it's one of the reasons why I don't know.
You don't, I don't do placebo effect.
Yo, Puffy Vegas, good to see you in the chat, man.
Hope things are good in Vegas for you.
Brian is 100% correct.
Men do not talk about sex in great detail in the same way girls do.
There we go.
And Puffy Vegas is a scholar and a gentleman.
Him with women.
I definitely trust him.
Just a reminder, guys, if you're speaking, please speak into the microphones.
He is a scholar, so this is probably factually very correct.
Okay, we have Trey here with the 50.
Hey, thank you, man.
I'm down bad.
Karen is bad as fuck.
I need the F of fan treatment.
What do I do?
I have nothing to say.
Thank you.
What?
Nothing.
Do you do that?
Nope.
Okay.
Kobe PFP, bro.
That is mad just for you.
Nozmata, thank you for the... Kobe!
Okay, Nozmata.
Early on, it's different guys being on the outside and girls being on the inside.
If he's not getting, she is not down.
It's the selection problem.
If she's not into head, it'll probably be bad anyway.
Wanting to please should be clear.
Reciprocally?
Is that a word?
Reciprocally.
Reciprocally.
Recipe broccoli.
Thank you very much.
Not a big fan.
Okay.
It's different guys being on the outside and girls being on the inside.
I don't know what that is.
Yeah, there's difference.
There's differences.
Like, because I'm not sure.
I have a question.
What if she was a virgin?
Would you then?
She's a virgin.
And biggest laby I've ever seen.
Well, the labia doesn't really.
It's not a factory.
Do you just pull it aside and then go in?
I'm just the labia is not related to the head thing.
Oh, I'm just asking if they've never been with a man.
I got neck problems still.
Oh, my God.
He just doesn't want your neck problems.
There's other ways you can please a woman.
You use hands, you use toys.
He just doesn't want it.
He just doesn't want it.
He just doesn't want to.
He's pleasing her.
He doesn't want to.
Like, I was going to say, like, do you really think hands are doing the trick?
Yes, bro.
Trust me, they're doing the trick.
She's lying.
I just want to say that.
I'm not going to shame you for using toys because the confidence to do that.
And I'm sure many women wish their men felt confident enough to bring that in the bedroom.
So I think I might give a round of applause on that.
I've heard that from women, that some guys don't want to use some toys.
I look like it's their op instead of their.
It makes it easier.
Why not?
Yeah, I have a question.
I have a question.
What's up?
Do you have these toys already?
Or do you have some?
Saved by the TTS.
Thank you, Bender.
Passport bros don't just move overseas for a more traditional relationship.
They also move because of the cost of living.
Yeah, it's cheaper in some of these.
Yeah, actually, you can't run away from my question.
I'm not like disagreeing.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with that, but I was in Japan for a month.
Everything is like significantly cheaper.
Like, I don't know.
I don't know how explain it.
Is it?
Yes.
I heard the cost of living in Tokyo is like really.
Japan is very expensive.
No, no, no, no.
Maybe like the cost of living, but like not.
You were in Osaka?
Where were you at?
No, no, I was in Tokyo.
But like, you know how sandwiches from $7-11 or $7, you can get that for like 200, 300 yen, which is basically.
What is that in?
That's like $2.
That's like $2.
Like, I lived off of 7-Eleven foods, and I ate good in Japan.
The food in Japan is cheaper.
It's never good.
Like, okay, listen, listen, listen.
Not enough.
Eating good and eating 7-Eleven foods.
No, no, it was good food.
It was good food because the regulations, the regulations are so, so tight.
Okay, I've heard about that.
I know a lot of people there live long and are healthy.
I mean, I can't.
The 7-Eleven food there is really fun.
Hawaii too.
No, Hawaii was nasty.
I saw a pad like that floating in the water.
I don't think I'm going to go back.
I was talking about the 7-Eleven phone.
Oh, no, no.
They have a lot more legalities for the GMers and stuff versus the rest of the United States.
No, but anyways, everything in Japan is just so cheaper.
It's like there's no crime, no homeless people.
What?
You killed a homeless person?
No, so no, no, no.
Have you ever beat the shit out of the homeless person?
No, no, no.
I mean, I mean, we used to give them money and pay them to fight each other, but like, that's neither.
I'm kidding.
That was actually a joke.
Dude, you're acting like I have money to give out, bro.
Look at me.
Look at what I'm wearing, bro.
This is just like my little brother's shirt.
But, um, yeah, but anyways, yeah, things are just so much cheaper.
It's crazy.
It's like crazy.
Like, you can get like a $17 bowl of ramen at like somewhere here, but for that, that would be like $7 in Japan, like an actual dinner meal.
Like, I don't know.
It's just, I don't know.
I can't shut the fuck up about it because I don't know.
Japan's cost of living is actually extremely high outside of the food.
Absolutely.
Outside of food, outside of utilities, outside of like all that shit.
Yeah, it's expensive.
Wait, what was your question, Olengay?
Oh.
I was going to ask you that when you are using these toys on girls, do you have a collection of toys?
I think immuno.
Yeah, you know the toys.
That's what I was about to ask.
Because that's gross.
Yeah, I was going to say that.
You're going to get a paper girl in affection.
Can we wash them?
Bro, you can wash toys.
Hello.
If I found out a man was using the same exact toy that he used on another girl, I would believe this.
Gross.
I would get a my you don't know that even okay.
I mean, yes, I've heard that they like want to use a toy that's never been used before.
I've heard that.
Yeah, but when a guy has sex with another girl and then he like takes a shower or whatever, he cleans himself off, he can still mess up the other girls, like the pH balance, even if it is washed.
So just to let you know.
Huh?
Even if the peen is washed?
Yes.
Washed.
Yes.
The peen.
pH balances are no joke.
On the peen.
If the pH balance is fucked up on the peen.
No, just depending on like your women are very sensitive.
You're saying if you soap your peen, the dude soaps his peen, rinses with water so there's no more soap on said peen, the dude's peen is going to fuck up the chick's pH.
What?
Yes.
Maybe it's actually blasting inside.
Maybe I don't know.
No.
It can occur without because now their pH balance.
Puts the blame on the guy, of course.
Well, it is.
A woman's pH.
I mean, it can, like, anything can mess it up.
But, like, if you're having sexy.
So you're saying a guy should not shower.
No, absolutely not.
I'm letting you know even if you do shower, even if you are using those toys toys.
Why are you pointing up there?
What's the fuck?
If you're using those toys on multiple girls, like you're going to get some girl an infection.
If you clean the toy, you sterilize the toy.
Yes, sir.
That's exactly what I just said.
That's exactly what I just said.
Even if you clean your pee-pee after you have sex with, this is why girls know when they're getting kids on.
No, no, no.
Stop.
Let me talk.
Sorry.
But this is why girls know that their bodies literally tell us, our bodies will literally tell us when a man is cheating on us because our pH balance will get messed up.
It is such a sensible thing.
You're saying if your pH balance gets fucked up and you're dating a guy, that's evidence of him cheating on you.
It can be.
Yeah.
If you're girls, don't girls spontaneously have their pH change even when they're not in a relationship and having sex with men.
So how can you say that would be evidence of a guy cheating on you?
Well, if she's having sex with men, it could be one of the men that she's sleeping with.
One of the men she's sleeping with.
Well, you're in a relationship.
I just said.
I just said if you're in a relationship and you're having consistent sex with this guy, nothing has ever happened before, all of a sudden, yeast infection.
Or something smells a little weird down there.
You're getting spontaneously, women have spontaneous.
Oh, not really.
Women who are virgins will have pH imbalance.
Outside of the conversation, pH levels are actually really small.
Can we not talk about pH balances?
No, no, no, no.
I'm not even talking about my level.
I got a question.
You don't answer my question.
Outside of the conversation, it's like a fish tank.
Like, if you were to add a certain amount of ammonia, the entire fish tank might be screwed up.
It might be fucked up.
Your pussy's like a fish tank?
What the fuck?
No, no, I'm saying in terms of like pH balance.
It's like pH as an entity.
Bro, can we not talk about the pH of pussies right now?
No, no, I'm not talking about that.
I'm putting on the nerd.
I'm the nerd emoji right now.
I'm dying to know.
If you were to, like, look, you can clean a sex toy.
Oh, my God.
You guys heard it out.
This is outside.
Beware any girl who's going to be able to do it.
Of course, like, you have to take a copy of the girl.
First off, that shit just goes on the clit.
You're not like, sex toy insertion.
No, Just on the clip.
It's fine.
What?
I think it kind of just goes back to your whole like, oh, if she fucked a guy last night and then I like, I'm not going to go down on her.
It's the same with the sex toy.
It's different, though.
You're going to get a lot of older messages.
It's very different.
Very different, very different.
Very different.
Very, very, very different.
It's going on the woman's body, so it's the same type of thing.
Like, if another girl's.
Anatomy is very different.
The anatomy is a little bit more like a music.
Oh, you're like more about our body.
No, bro.
Okay, let's say, here's the difference.
Here's the difference, right?
A guy, if he has sex and he showers his penis, cleans his penis, assuming there's no STDs involved, that's a clean penis.
No.
However, however, let's say a guy was, and you weren't using a condom, you fucked a guy, and he wasn't using a condom.
And let's say, let's add another level to it.
He blasted inside, came inside.
That shit lingers for a little bit, son.
Yeah.
That shit lingers a little bit.
That shit can drift down.
Hypothetically speaking, if it adds something with acidity to what?
Huh?
Hypothetically speaking, like you're a virgin, so what?
Okay, I know.
No, I'm just thinking about it.
I was thinking about chemistry.
It was just chemistry.
Hypothetically speaking, you could balance back the pH with a level of acidity.
Like if you add acidity, are you saying douching?
Women should not douche.
No, no, no.
Acidity.
Like vinegar.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Boric acid.
Vinegar and pussy wash.
Okay, no, I'm not.
Yeah, I'm just saying in terms of chemistry.
Like as a virgin, do not listen to her.
Do not listen to her.
Vinegar and your pussy.
No, I'm just saying.
Well, no, I'm talking about chemistry.
I'm not talking about vinegar.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
I wonder.
I want to hear it.
No, sorry.
Please.
No, no, no.
I'm done.
I'm done.
To your point, though, if a toy is on another woman's body and then you're even if you're cleaning it, because like you're saying, like you wash your dick, whatever.
If you're cleaning it, like it still was on somebody else's or in somebody, like another female's body.
Like you don't think that that's similar?
Like that's gross.
Wait, what?
The toys.
If you're reusing the same toy from woman to woman.
Would you use the same fleshlight as another guy?
That's what we're trying to say.
Would you use the same fleshlight that another guy used?
Fuck no.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Get new toys.
But you could extend that logic to, for example, you could say, well, as a guy, if you've been with more than one woman, then.
You just don't want to admit you're wrong.
No, it's not about admitting I'm wrong, but like, you can better sterilize and clean a sex toy than you could a penis.
So are you arguing that if you would never use a sex toy that was used on another woman, that you would never fuck a dude who's fucked another chick?
That's not what we're saying.
We're just saying that you can't do sex toys.
I get it, but the point I'm saying is like you could clean a sex toy.
Ryan, we're trying to help you out, okay?
We're like, yes, we are.
We're trying to help you out.
We're not trying to embarrass you.
We're not trying to share that.
If your boundary is, I don't have an issue with it.
If your boundary is, I only want to use sex toys that are brand new.
Even if they're perfectly capable of being washed, they're non-porous sex toys that you can clean, and there's no, you know.
That's fine, if that's your preference when it comes to the use of sex toys.
Some women don't care, some women, you know, whatever.
I don't know if some women don't care.
I think they might just not know.
Yeah.
Do you tell the girls that you're going to use these sex toys on you?
Like, by the way, I use this on another girl.
I can't really say that in this conversation.
Yeah, or do you just lie and be like, see, you need to be more honest, Brian?
What do you, whoa, first off, first off, I would always disclose, you know, I would disclose.
Have you?
This toy has a body temperature.
Oh, I'm a far pass.
I just want to let you know ahead of time.
Am I supposed to just throw away a perfectly good fucking vibrator?
Yeah, but you could put a condom on it.
There's different things that you could do.
A Hitachi one?
Yeah.
Yeah, you put one on there.
That's what they do in porn.
They do.
I would listen to her.
Yeah.
This is just haram.
Haram.
I can't imagine.
All right, okay.
We have Eyes Wide Shut here in 1989.
Thank you for the Canadian 50.
Can I have you read this one?
Because I don't know why.
Me?
Yeah, sure.
Speaking as a 33-year-old, 6'4 athletic men, you 304s really ain't all that.
You should probably get over yourselves and quick because I currently see many cats in your future.
Disgusting.
Shout out to bass cute Latino.
Jesus Christ.
I guess that's you.
Man, they've been.
Shout out to you, baby girl.
Chat's been brutal tonight.
I love cats.
I had two cats and I went to the last LD.
It was way worse.
Okay, we have Keen Speaks here.
What's wrong with cats, though?
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, are you attacking cats?
That's like my dream.
Yeah.
Alone with cats?
Yeah, we got some Canadian people in the chat tonight.
Can I have you read this one again?
So you are against the use of a sterilized toy from another woman, even though it has been cleaned fully.
But you are advocating for the ability to be promiscuous and promote OnlyFans.
Sure.
Where's the correlation?
Where's the correlation?
Turtle reasonable if you're insane.
I don't see any.
X does not equal Y.
Yeah.
Although sex doesn't even equal OnlyFans or vice versa.
Wait, question.
Would you object to your boyfriend using a toy on you that was used with another woman, but it was cleaned?
Okay, I'm going to be honest.
Like you were saying earlier, it's a boundary thing.
I would not like it.
But I do have a question for you, Bec.
What about the women that have the toys and we use it with different men?
It's not like we get a new Hitachi every single time.
That's a fair point.
Yeah, I always like to say that.
Wait, but you're not like doing it.
No, no.
You're not like penetrating the gym.
No, no, no, no.
But you and I are talking about, we're talking about something on top of it, right?
That's an interesting question.
What about like when if I were to hook up with someone and I bring my toy with me?
It's kind of like...
I see what you're saying.
Tit for tat almost in a sense.
But I think there's like a perception of germ component to it where it's like, oh, it touched somebody else.
Whereas, although to be fair, it's plausible that the sex toy you're using, if it was coinciding with intercourse, it could have crossed swords.
Exactly.
Swords could have, like, fake sword with real sword could have crossed.
What about a cochering?
Like a vibrating cochering.
Oh, that's weird.
Oh, I guess that's the same thing.
It wouldn't be the real world.
That would be weird.
See, there you go.
There you go.
Now you're agreeing for that.
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, but it's different.
But just to answer the question.
I don't want to talk about this.
But just real quick, I think for me as a boundary, I would not like it.
But you know, maybe for a hookup, it might be different if you're in the moment.
But for a boundary, like this is someone I generally like, I wouldn't like it.
So then, but here's the thing, right?
As the procurer and provider of sex toys, should a woman just be buying sex toys every year?
Because, like, most of my experience with women, they don't got, they're not bringing the sex toy to the situation.
I just feel like.
So I got them on law.
You know, I got it.
So I feel like coming with my bag.
If it's an issue, then you should provide.
If you have an issue with him having his own toys, then bring the toys along.
Bring what you, plus, you got your favorite.
Yeah, bring what you like.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I like it.
Some women like bad dragons.
Exactly.
I'm not going to lie.
I was going to hook up with a guy and then he's like, just pulls out a collection of sex toys and is like, which one?
He's been ran through.
Yeah.
I'm going to be concerned.
I'm going to be concerned.
You're not going to be like, he's open-minded.
And let's say he's got a whole drawer full of sex toys.
I'm going to be asking.
I'm not going to.
I'm so sorry.
He's open-minded.
He's progressive.
He's a progressive.
Buy her a new one.
Yeah, but I think I just label it.
It depends on your guys' relationship and on the vibe.
If you guys talk about it ahead of time and he's like, oh, she's going to love it, then why are you going to go into it and then complain?
But if he knows that he really hasn't talked about it and then he's like, yo, here's my 60 sex toys.
You're like, whoa.
Okay.
What are you doing?
Halal.
Okay, we have two more super chats related to the sex toy thing.
We got to move on.
Guys, no more sex toy-related super chats after this, please.
Eyes wide shut, 1989.
Mercy Buku for the Canadian 50.
Can I have you read it, please?
Bangs has absolutely no substance to anything she says until she finally speaks facts about VajPH, except she still missed the taller roll.
You literally know nothing, Bangs, but you know about VajPH.
Huge 304 red flags.
Oh, I'm so sorry that I know about my body.
God forbid.
Apologies accepted.
Okay, we have Dark Shinobi here with the thank you for the super chat.
All right, let's go.
Okay.
Go ahead.
There is a difference between pH change and pH being messed up.
pH balance change is normal after sex.
But unless the guy is dirty or she is, it won't ruin anything or smell bad at lol.
This was dumber than the financial abuse argument.
Tell me you've never touched a woman.
Tell me you never touched a woman.
These men know nothing.
Nothing about a woman's body.
But it also, it's also a little concerning when a man knows too much about a woman's body.
Because nobody's a bad person.
I would rather that.
That's actually kind of right because pH balance is different after like Brian.
No, just say, wait, wait, go back to the message.
Let me read it.
I'm not going to read it.
I'm not going to read it.
I swear.
I'm sorry.
I don't care.
No, I was just going to say, I can't really speak on the sex thing, but pH balance could be easily disturbed by just about anything.
Like, not to be too overly nerdy, Moji, but like anything, really.
Like, if you go horseback riding, that might change the pH balance in some way.
Why are you looking at me that way?
I don't know.
Oh, bro.
You're fucking shooting daggers at me.
But, you know?
Just waiting for your response to this.
To this?
I mean, yeah, it's kind of like if the guys, I mean, if you're having sex and the guy's, you're on, the girl's on birth control and he's blasting.
But it also has to do with promiscuity because promiscuity can lead to a disturbance in pH balance for some people, which is what I'm assuming, which, like, I don't know.
I feel like both parties are accountable in some cases, but in some cases, like, I don't think it would affect it at all.
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I want to get into, you guys, a lot of you sent me some pre-show notes.
I'd like to try to get through them.
We had a huge inflow.
First off, thank you everyone who's super chatted and sent in TTS.
Very much appreciate all your patronage tonight.
You guys have been very, very generous.
So thank you guys so much for your support.
So, okay, let me try to get through everyone's notes here.
We do have a couple things to react to.
What was the, we had, oh, we had two videos to react to.
So, but let me get through everyone's notes here.
So, we had, we were on Azalea.
Did I say your name right?
Azalea.
But it's okay.
Okay.
You enjoy your name being mispronounced, I guess.
I also think men like younger women simply because they'll put up with more BS than older women.
And that's why they make up things like the wall.
I think men fail to consider that women are the gatekeepers of sex because men made the gatekeeping thing.
Yeah.
Okay, you think men like younger women simply because they'll put up with more BS than older women?
Yes.
It's an inexperienced thing.
So it's an inexperienced thing?
Yeah, like I'm talking about men that specifically are like, oh, I want an 18 to 20 year old when they're like 35 to 40 years old.
What do you have in common with an 18-year-old?
And then they say, yeah.
You don't think it's based in like biology or evolutionary?
No, ideology, even just a little bit.
Why?
Wait, hold on.
You don't think that there's any attraction triggers in both sexes that have an evolutionary or biological basis?
No.
None?
I mean, sure, a little, but I don't think that a 35-year-old man has anything in common with an 18-year-old, and I think it's sick.
Why is it?
Why would that be?
Well, you're using, uh, like the most extreme that you could use without going into like, well, I'm not when in my point, I'm not talking about 25 year old men.
What about the 20-year-old women?
31-year-old.
What about 31-year-old with a 21-year-old?
I mean, I don't necessarily see, like, I mean, I think if he's specifically saying, I will only date women under 23 years old, then yeah, sure, we can talk about that example.
But, I mean, if it's just like a relationship that happened naturally.
But I'm talking about the men that are specifically like, I'll only date younger women because they like will let me do whatever I want.
And that's not what they say.
I mean, that's a straw man of the reasons why men prefer younger women.
No, but I'm talking about a specific example that we hear all the time.
Yeah.
I'm reading this book.
It's called The Naked Ape, and it basically just speaks on like Darwin's theory of evolution.
And if we're speaking about, you know, going back to our roots, men do gravitate towards younger women because they have more so of an ability to birth children for them.
So if we're talking about like evolutionary things.
Right, exactly.
But their eggs aren't even slimming.
If it's like a really old guy, like Leonardo DiCaprio, for example, like his eggs aren't really good.
But some men go through their prime, right?
Some men peak their sexual market value peaks in their 30s.
And for women, it peaks ages like 18 to 25, right?
So that's the disparity that we're talking about here.
It's got nothing to do with being predatory, but exactly what you said and what you said.
It comes back to evolutionary psychology and biology.
For sure, there's some outliers that are weirders and creeps, but the exception doesn't make the rule.
But I don't necessarily think that those are exceptions.
I mean, we hear it all the time.
Like, oh, the women in their 30s are hitting their wall.
You should go after the young, hot girls because once they hit their 30s, they're not going to be hot anymore and they have no value to society.
So you think it's because what other guys are saying?
Oh, because it's what they're naturally attracted to.
If a guy is naturally attracted to that and he's high caliber enough to be able to get it, why are we shaming him for that?
What do you think?
That four-year-old has in common with an 18-year-old that isn't predatory and weird.
He just wants, he wants that control.
He knows it's a younger girl.
I don't know if you've watched.
I understand your point.
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
Keep going.
No, I'm just saying, like, that usually the younger guy, like Zerka, he said in one video, he's like, oh, I love like 18, 19-year-olds.
Love teenagers because they don't talk about it.
Okay, don't Zirka is a troll.
He's a comedian.
He's like, okay, we're not bringing it.
Some men literally said Zirka said his goal is to be one of the funniest comedians in the world.
You can't reach that level without saying shit that offends people.
He's literally said that on multiple occasions.
Look at that.
Let's remove his claims from the market.
I'm saying a lot of men do think that way, though.
I'm just using him as an example.
And anyone perpetuating that when they have people that are watching them and they have a platform, men are also going to start thinking like that when they're watching that, whether or not it's a joke.
Yep.
I mean, you hear other, there are other, you know, proclivity to like younger women.
I just have to point something out.
Everybody, look how rude Nev is being by texting on her phone.
Let me just like put you on blast there.
That's super rude.
I do want to weigh in on this, but I'll.
My mom asked me if I put the chicken in the scene.
Yeah, of course.
That's totally it.
She did.
She asked me if I put the chicken in the chicken.
Okay, nobody cares.
Just continue with the.
Yeah, I think when you have a platform and you're perpetuating that, then younger men are going to look at that and emulate that.
And he's not the only person that's perpetuated those ideas and been serious about it.
I feel like people who have a proclivity for something are going to follow that.
So if guys have never once thought before, oh, I'm more interested in like younger women, then they're not going to magically think that because Zirka makes a joke about it on value payment or something.
Okay, but he's not the only one.
And there are these like red pill podcasters that perpetuate the idea, oh, a woman's going to hit the wall in her 30s.
I mean, look how many men were calling Margo Robbie mid on Twitter last week.
like because she's hit the wall xyz like that's you think that that's like well the reason they said that is because bomb is meant to be the ultimate like epitome of beauty standards She's meant to be the quintessential perfect woman, and that's why they're making those remarks.
No, she's awesome.
They did the same thing to Zendaya, like literally a barbarian.
Barbie said it.
I didn't like the Barbie movie.
Oh, you saw it?
Yeah, I saw the Barbie movie.
I think like.
Okay, okay, no, no.
Don't talk about it, because I'm not sure.
I'm not going to spoil it.
I'm going to say that I don't mean to use the word woke.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and use it.
I think that it was too woke.
I think that basically the patriarchal society that they complained about that they bitched about was very, very similar to the matriarchal society that was Barbie land, you know?
Like, what?
Can you explain to me what the word woke means?
Woke, it's just fucking liberal shit.
Like, but what does it mean?
Yeah, what does that mean?
Besides liberal shit, what does it mean?
Oh my god, why am I getting hard?
I'm talking about Barbie.
Can I talk about these goddamn liberalism?
Yeah, but you're trying to get away from me.
Yeah, you're trying to describe something without actually describing it.
Listen, listen, I said I don't really want to use the word woke because that's not the right word.
That's what I prefaced the statement.
I'm just saying that Barbie was just like, I feel like the issues that Barbie was bitching about.
How the fuck did we get onto Barbie?
I didn't have no idea.
Let's talk about it.
She's talking about Kenland.
Okay, I think Kenland.
Nobody gives a shit about that.
No, no, no, no, listen.
Oh, my fucking God, dude.
Okay, let's.
I stepped up.
I had to step away from a bit, but we were talking about.
Older men and younger women, yes.
How the fuck did you guys get to Barbie from that?
She just said she didn't like it.
Because we were mentioning Margaret Robbie.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Society has really messed up standards because now apparently Margaret Roby is considered mid.
That's how this whole thing came up.
Okay, well, let's stick to the age thing.
So what's the oldest guy?
What's the largest age gap for you that you've ever had?
Six years?
Six years?
Let's go around the table on this.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Go ahead.
So what would it be?
I don't date men under the age of 31.
So that would be like a seven.
24, correct?
Yeah, six year difference?
Seven year?
But you said your last relationship was six years ago.
Yeah, he was older.
I think he was 24.
Okay, 18, 24.
Okay.
What's the largest gap?
I think the largest gap was, I mean, I went on a few dates with the guy who was 35.
When you were what?
This was like last year.
Okay, 23, 35.
Okay.
Would you do you object to that age gap?
23 and 35.
I mean, I wouldn't call it ideal, but I mean, like, 23 years old isn't exactly like a fresh adult.
So I think that's fine.
Okay.
What about you?
Not too old, to be honest.
I don't know.
I don't know exactly how old they were.
Just not too old.
What's the largest gap that you've seen?
Oh, the largest gap?
Yeah.
Oh, like three years.
That's it.
I tend to go through.
You literally asked me out on a date, but I'm 34.
I'm not trying to romantically pursue you.
Why do you want to take me on a date then?
To be friends.
I take out my friends on dates all the time.
Yeah, we can be friends.
Okay.
Just friend zones.
Okay.
I take out my friends on dates all the time.
Five years.
Five years.
What about you?
20 years.
20 years?
Yeah.
I'm hoping in that direction.
You were 30, he was 50, or sorry, you're 31.
Excuse me.
You're 24, so he was 40 in his 40s.
20 or 40, yeah.
20, 40.
24.
20, 20.
He was 40.
Do you object to that age?
I mean, I can't object to anything, but I can say that it was definitely predatory.
Yeah, absolutely.
Was it predatory?
I had to add it was a sugar daddy.
Then I guess it's transactional.
I think that's a completely different.
But couldn't you make the, if we're using this term predatory, couldn't you argue that women who are seeking sugar daddies?
Predatory.
Well, yeah, but I think that's a completely different facet of like an actual relationship.
Like I just said, that's a transactional thing.
That's not like a man being like, I'm only going to date younger women, like blah, blah, blah, trying to just.
Versus women saying I'm only going to date rich men.
And I'm going to pay transactional.
Yeah, but what's the difference?
He wants a young woman.
What's the difference?
What's the metric?
What's the standard that makes one disgusting and the other one acceptable?
Because she's asking.
It's a genuine relationship.
Because she's seeking out the relationship.
It's a transactional relationship.
And not a man going after a woman based on inexperience.
And he's seeking out a relationship too.
And maybe he wants a woman who's younger.
He's had number one less bodies because let's keep it real.
The older a woman gets, the more bodies she's had.
And what problem is that?
Purity is wrong with that.
Purity is valuable.
So if you think that every man has to be fair is a single religion.
No, because men and women are different.
And men have to work really hard to get sex.
Women.
Oh my God.
They do not have to.
For men to have a high body count.
They need to work on themselves.
They need to work really hard on themselves in order to attract a high number of women.
For women, an average-looking woman, an ugly woman, in fact, would walk out of here and go get fucked.
No, that is not fucked up.
That is good.
And you're not at all.
That's not right.
You're wrong.
You are simply wrong.
How are we wrong?
Because it's harder for men to get sex.
That's correct.
That is absolutely not correct.
Why?
It's true.
Because I've never seen it.
I've seen this with my friends.
I've seen this with in real life.
Oh, yeah.
I've seen this in real life.
Like, I have a friend who hasn't had sex in the longest time since her and her boyfriend broke up.
Her ex-husband fucking goes left to right and left to right and left to right.
And she is a beautiful star.
Some reason women have high standards.
Men will fuck anything.
Women have very high prerequisites when it comes to fucking.
I love men.
I love men.
We'll fuck anybody.
Girl.
Yo, Eric.
Thank you.
Thank you.
So it's not worth telling me.
No, no.
Anyway, I'm a psycho.
Thank you.
Okay.
I would say that I agree with some of the things that you're saying.
There's like a saying, what is it?
Like women have control over the sex, men have control over something else.
I don't know what the other half of that is, but it's because we hold the power because we're keepers.
Yeah.
That's like the, you know, I disagree with it.
Women seeking older men with money is financial abuse.
He's on a Kubernetes dating site.
How is that abuse?
He's falling.
Some men are into that.
Some men are into outside of the payment.
Wait, guys, hide that.
I choose older men.
Younger women are desired for her fertility, purity, and pleasantness.
Predators are cougar-ylfs chasing younger men.
Oh my god.
The hypocrisy is unreal.
Shaming older men for dating younger women.
When younger women choose older men, younger women are desired for her fertility, purity, pleasantness.
We heard the rest.
At that age, when an old, old man is trying to pursue an 18-year-old, his sperm is no longer swimming.
No, I'm just saying.
How long do you think your only fan subscribers are, honey?
I don't have to anything subscribed to you.
Probably violation.
What?
Sexualizing.
If you're okay with old men, 50-year-olds, 60-year-olds, jacking off to your fucking pictures, then what?
I leave your hop.
Are you telling me?
Are you serious?
Am I invaccinated in any way?
No, no, I can't even fucking talk because you're literally screaming and fucking right.
Come on, then.
No, I'm like getting pissed off because you can't.
Like, anytime I try talking, you just interrupt.
That was the only time.
That was the only time.
Sorry, but if you want, you can go ahead now.
I'll be quiet.
Literally, you're just screaming.
You're fucking throwing hands in because you're going to hit somebody, bitch.
I think that's what I'm saying.
We should be able to have conversations about yelling guys.
Yeah, like stopping your lady.
It's making me want to yell.
And I've been super calm this entire time.
Gear five coming out soon.
Luffy gear five coming out soon.
One apiece.
Honestly, I mean, when you're sitting there saying, like, men are women indifferent, men like need a pure woman, blah, blah, blah.
That's insane to perpetuate that idea.
That's insane.
That's literally everybody's.
We want to get pure.
I think it's, oh, you're acting like my mom, bro.
Okay, I think that's perfectly.
Hold on, let me just clarify here.
Let me just go.
Hold on, hold on.
Wait, just to clarify, you just stated, you think it's insane to perpetuate purity?
No, I think it's insane to perpetuate the idea that men should expect a pure woman while a woman can't expect a pure man because they're apparently.
That's not what she said.
No, I think it's perfectly.
And I actually want to answer her question.
Hold on, one thing, one thing.
Let's remove the double standard, right?
Let's remove.
Do you object to men demanding but wanting purity?
I do if they're not pure themselves.
I think not wanting someone, I think not wanting someone with a high-pressure.
Let me reread this.
Bangs, you're right.
Getting sex as a man is easy so long as I have 300 for the hour.
300 for the hour, I feel like, is very cheap.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
If I was going to sell myself, it would be way more.
Anyways, I feel like wanting a woman with a low body count is perfectly within reason.
I feel like why if the man doesn't?
I mean, I mean, I personally would want a man with a low body count as well.
But for you, I don't want somebody.
I don't think.
I think men value like having the woman, you know.
I think they want the woman to be theirs.
And if the woman's been like with Joe, Sam.
Okay, so then etc.
I think he's perfectly within his right to set the boundary of not wanting to be with her.
This comes down to like having a high body count might reflect some certain things on the woman, like her attitude, possible mental health.
So that doesn't reflect like a man.
No, no, no.
I never said that.
I never said that.
Dan, it's not different at all.
It is not different at all.
It's not totally different.
It's literally not.
Are you able to speak without yelling?
Are you able to speak without yelling?
Are you able to speak with me?
Are you able to speak without yelling?
I got needed at one point in this whole conversation.
You've been screaming and realizing the whole time.
Wait, guys, one microphone.
One microphone at a time, please.
You go ahead.
Okay, go ahead.
I would just like to say, if somebody is requesting a certain standard from their partner, they have to at least present that themselves.
Disagree.
I disagree.
Let me touch on that and then, okay.
But basically, you're saying, well, if a guy wants a woman who has a low body count, for example, he too should have a low body count.
And it's hypocritical for a guy with, say, a high body count to prefer or be attracted to or want to date a woman with a low body count.
Is that fair to say that?
I wouldn't say attracted to, but want.
Yeah.
You should hold yourself together.
Let me ask you a question.
But do you think that do you think that we in order for us to desire a trait or something in the partner we too must also possess said trait?
I mean, if you're thinking about physicality, absolutely not.
That's not a trait.
Well, no, but that's what I'm saying.
For example, a lot of women want men who are tall, yet they are not tall themselves.
Again, that's a physical thing that has nothing to do with some sort of moral compass.
I think women mature faster than men, then by that logic, an 18-year-old female would be an adult as soon as she turned 18.
Thank you, Bendra, the offender.
If you think that women mature faster than men...
I think it's...
An 18-year-old female would be an adult as soon...
Wait, aren't you an adult?
Wait, I'm confused, you are an adult when you turn 18.
An 18 year old is like freshly out of high school, just graduated, doesn't really have many life experiences.
Wait, wait, so hold on.
An 18-year-old can sign up for the military.
In some cases, you can sign up for a bunch of people.
Hold on, hold on.
They can't even buy alcohol.
You can buy a firearm.
Okay.
You can vote.
What else can you do?
You can sign binding contracts, but you can't consent to have sex with someone who's perhaps a bit older than you?
I just think it's a little...
So what you guys are saying is, and we will come back to this double standards thing, is that should we raise the voting age of women to 25?
Is that what you guys are?
You guys are really misogynistic.
You, Madame, are a misogynist, as are you.
How dare you say that women do not have agents?
How dare you?
I am offending.
As a feminist, as a feminist, I am offended that you would even suggest that we should raise the voting age of women.
No one is saying that you're putting words in our mouth and you're pointing your little finger at me.
That's how I talk to the kids that I nanny.
Okay, so look, let's bring it back to the double standards thing.
Okay, so fine.
You're going to argue that, well, height, that's within the realms of physicality, that's different.
Can I say something?
What about women who want men who are funny, but they are not funny?
I'm hilarious.
Again, that's not a moral standard or a moral value that you would look for in somebody else.
Well, your promiscuity, your degree of promiscuity is behavioral traits in the same way that being funny or humorous is a behavioral or personality.
So then you could say that the promiscuity from the man side is also the same.
And the promiscuity reflects.
Women are totally within their right to not want to partner with a man who is promiscuous or who has a promiscuous past.
Yeah, and I think it does reflect on values, which play a big part in relationships.
If you don't share similar values with the person that you're trying to be with, it just doesn't really work out in the end.
So if somebody disagrees with promiscuity, then they disagree with promiscuity.
But it's different for a couple of reasons.
Number one, when you look back at biology and evolutionary psychology, the man's whole goal is to spread his seed as far and wide as possible.
You look at a woman, she can literally only carry one baby at a time, from one man at least, right?
Unless it's twins triplets, but from one man for a period of nine months.
It's literally completely different from a biological level.
Number one, it's very different.
And then number two, when you look at the emotional impact, men are very oftentimes able to separate emotions and sex.
Can we not all agree that women are a little bit more emotionally invested in their sexual encounters than men are?
Therefore, a woman who has slept with 100 people is going to affect her mentally, spiritually, emotionally, far more than it ever would a man.
That's also just making assumptions.
I feel like that's a good idea.
Well, that is a good idea.
Okay, Probability, meaning at least 51% of the time it's true.
And when you need to make good decisions about your life, you look at things like the balance of probabilities, statistics, right?
This is an emotionally mature thing to do.
So it's not unreasonable for men to be able to do that.
And also, pair bonding is another very important topic that I saw somebody bring up.
That for women, after 10 bodies, there are statistics that show it is actually very difficult for her to devote herself to one man ongoingly.
For a long period of time, yes.
I'd say that I don't think that that's a problem.
That is not true.
No, no, no.
I'd say that it permanently alters the way that you perceive relationships and going into relationships.
It just permanently alters.
So you don't think that it affects men in the same way?
And it doesn't alter their perception of a relationship with the menu.
It doesn't apparently.
It doesn't really have emotional.
But so you're literally sitting here and acting, oh, men should spread their seed, men should spread their seed.
Do men not have self-control?
I don't think she's only biological inclinations.
Oh, biological this, biological inclusion.
I don't like.
Like, so you're saying that women can't like biologically also want to have casualty.
Biologically?
Now back then, women were having babies at like biologically.
We're way behind.
I think we're way behind.
Okay, I think she's communicating her points in the most primitive sense.
Primitively.
But we're not primitive beings anymore.
That was one example.
I gave two other examples.
We live on.
One of them was based in biology and evolutionary psychology.
I gave two more that are actually very relevant to current times.
I was trying to be aware of that.
I mean, I don't know.
I've got more than 10 bodies, and I don't have an issue being monogamous or having a partner at all.
And I don't know any other woman that has that many bodies that have an issue being with a partner in a monogamous way.
Well, there are studies about it.
You can read about them.
If it doesn't apply to you, then that's wonderful.
But there is a lot of data that suggests that the opposite is actually true.
If that doesn't affect you, then that's wonderful.
And I do believe that there is kind of like a biological adaptation that's occurring right now because women have been much more promiscuous.
Adaptations, biological adaptations happen over time.
So it could be true that that is starting to happen, but I would say- So if there is a biological adaptation, then shouldn't men adjust what they're looking for and shouldn't purity not be as adamant because now there is a biological adaptation from yours?
It comes down to preference.
I'm not saying that I didn't say there definitely is.
I say that there likely will be if we continue down this route of being very, very promiscuous.
Then likely that will happen because that's just what happens with biology.
We make adaptations to the world around us, right?
Is that there should definitely be a good or a bad thing?
I mean, who's that?
I mean, I got it.
Men should change what they're saying.
I mean, what they think.
Men should not want purity culture if women are allowed to be more promiscuous because of biological adaptation.
Thank you.
What about women change what they're doing rather than men what they're saying?
Why would not women have to change what they're doing?
I will finish my sentence.
I think women can change what they're doing, and also men could change what they're doing.
It's like it goes both ways.
Essie, go ahead.
What were you going to ask?
Since we're speaking off of personal experiences, I was just going to say that for my entire life, I thought that because I had a lot of people.
Thank you, Arvind.
According to the Institute for Family Studies, promiscuity before marriage reduced marital quality for women, but not for men.
Men and women are different.
Women do not want male virgins because she values his experience.
Double standards.
There's all kinds of double standards.
Yeah.
Some benefit men, some benefit women.
I would like a guy who's experienced in bed, though, personally.
So I can kind of see that.
Go ahead with your point.
Oh, I was going to say, for my entire life, I thought my feeling of the level of emotion that I felt with my sexual partners, I always thought that people had always told me you should be more prone to having casual sex and hookups.
Like you shouldn't be so emotionally in-depth and connected to your sexual partner until I realized that that's totally a normal thing.
And that actually it's the opposite, that you probably, if you're not really feeling an emotional connection with your partner, then there's probably something wrong at that point.
Sexually.
I mean, I don't think that, I mean, like, I think it should be up to women whether or not they choose to have casual sex, right?
I mean, you can definitely feel that way.
You can have emotional connections to your partners and choose not to have casual sex.
That's absolutely fine.
Well, while it's up to women, it is also up to the men to judge them or anyone else for that fact to judge them.
When you make a decision, expect to be judged.
I know that decision is sleeping with 16 people.
That's nobody's business, though.
Wait, wait, wait, but that's nobody's business.
That's between you and your current partner.
And everyone else you sleep with.
There is literally no one.
It determines whether casual sex doesn't affect you when it's being a male.
And there are studies to point this out.
You guys don't have to believe me.
You can just look at the studies after.
It's okay.
I just define casual sex.
I also just think if you're expecting something in your partner that you should also emulate that as well.
And I think that it's kind of ignorant to assume otherwise.
So you don't think that there's asymmetry in what men and women find attractive in the opposite sex.
Like, for example, you'll hear a lot of women say, I really like funny guys, but like, they're not funny.
Oh, my gosh.
You men always think women aren't funny.
Like, that is like a problem.
That's not what I said.
I'm just saying, like, a woman who herself, let's just, look, just give me the benefit of the doubt here.
Let's take a woman who's just not funny and would it be wrong of her to want a guy who's funny just because she's not funny.
I think what about a woman who's looking for a tall man who's short herself?
Well, she rejects her.
Again, that's a physical thing.
That's completely different.
It's funny that you bring that up because actually like evolutionary, like, again, talking about this stupid fucking book.
Women are like the asymmetry and looking for a partner.
We're actually genetically supposed to look for someone opposite to our genetics for like to look for somebody tall, somebody strong, somebody funny, somebody that's opposite of us for like the best like outcome for offspring.
That's why like women, there's like was a study of women who are on birth control.
We actually find partners that are like too similar to us.
And when we're off of birth control, we're more attracted to like partners that are the opposite.
It's not usually that they're similar, but usually women are more agreeable.
And when you're on birth control, you're attracted to people who are more agreeable.
If you're a disagreeable female on birth control, then maybe you wouldn't find that lackluster.
Right.
But then again, on birth control, you'd probably be agreeable by that.
But I just reject this idea that in order for you to rightfully either be attracted to somebody or want to be with somebody, you two must possess all the characteristics that they possess.
So like, okay, a woman who finds a rich man attractive, is it wrong that she finds a man attractive because of his wealth, even if she herself is not wealthy?
Or what about a woman who finds a professional athlete or an actor or musician attractive because of his status, but she has absolutely no status?
She's not a pro-athlete.
She's not an actor.
She's not a musician.
So like this idea that, well, this idea that there needs to be perfect reciprocity, a word that we used previously in the conversation, or perfect symmetry in our, you know, where we fall in the world, I think it doesn't make sense.
I think people usually tend to date within their dating pool.
Like you're not, like, a pro-athlete isn't really going to like go for me, you know?
Actually, I would say like pro-athletes be dating some normal fucking person.
I mean, I would tend to disagree.
I mean, like, I'm autistic.
I have, like, literally.
Look, look.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I never would have guessed.
Yeah, yeah, no.
No, but I'm like completely weird as fuck.
Like, not to be like, like, oh, quirky or anything, but like, I'm a fucking loser.
Like, I like video games.
I'm cooped up.
Like, I just like to play video games.
I'm cooped up in my room all the time.
And then I ended up scoring some guy who's an absolute Chad.
Like, he's like, I don't know.
He's like completely fucking normal.
And I think I'm kind of like retarded.
I could say it.
You said we could say it if we had the past.
I mean, I ended up dating someone who like essentially like we have nothing to do with each other.
And it's working out pretty fine.
I mean, like, I mean, we have a lot in common.
What is your argument?
No, I'm just saying.
I don't know.
I just.
So you're saying like, because you're like Arsler, that you're, you should only date other arsenists.
No, It's not like that.
I'm saying like people don't always date within their pool.
Like this guy's like awesome.
Like he's like completely normal.
I was just going to say that.
I mean, I honestly like it's totally fine if your standards are like not similar to what you provide.
For me, it would like I just can't stand people who are like I want this this and this from a partner, but they bring nothing to the table.
I just don't think that it makes any sense.
I feel like you want the relationship to be fair and what you can provide for each other.
So I think it makes sense to like, if you're going to require all these things from your partner, you should probably have some other things that you're yourself offering.
Okay, so this look, this whole thing stemmed from we were initially talking about age gap.
That stemmed from the age gap thing.
I don't know how we didn't finish going around the table.
On the biggest age gap.
Oh, what was yours?
Okay, so did you go?
I think you said six years ago.
I did, yeah, six years.
Six years.
What about you?
Mine was seven, but the person I was with before him, it was six, so it kind of was like my gateway into seven.
And that person lied about their age.
So I found out from a background check.
They told me they were only two years older.
My friend looked up their hockey stats, found out they were 30 at the time.
Yeah.
So I kind of got tricked into that.
Before that, I had only dated someone like one year older than me, maybe two.
It was six years.
I was 23.
He was like 30.
I think mine was either two or three years.
What about you?
I was an older woman.
What about you?
Two up, two down.
Two up, two down?
but okay so i mean you know it's like so okay you think it's predatory Depending on the situation, absolutely.
Depending on the situation.
I think if you're going to lie about it, yeah.
Let me assume that.
They're lying about it themselves.
I mean, I think some women seek out older men, and it's like, why are they, you know, trying to make a now Brian, he seeks out older women.
No, no, a lot of women.
A lot of women seek out.
I'll date young women.
I mean, a lot of women seek out older men just purely for financial gain.
Like, a lot of women, oh, I want a sugar daddy.
I want someone this old, you know, like, but then they turn it around and say, like, oh, woe is me.
I'm being groomed.
I mean, I think a transactional relationship is very different.
Yeah, but that's like a girl is getting a sugar daddy and it's like, he groomed me.
No, no, no.
No, but what about like dilfs?
Like, oh, he's such a dof.
I want to date someone.
Like, oh, I have daddy issues.
I'm going to date someone who's 32.
I'm like 19.
But then all of a sudden they just go back on it and be like, oh, that was absolutely predatory.
But like, you were the kind of the one who put yourself in that situation seeking someone like that.
Boy, I think it really has to do with how the relationship goes and the dynamic of the relationship, the environment of the relationship, because it's like, you know, no girl is just like, oh, like getting with an older guy and then is like straight out of the relationship pissed and is like, oh, like he groomed me.
No.
Like, obviously, no girl is like saying they got groomed just to say that and for sympathy.
Like, that doesn't just happen.
Also, I think a lot of people refuse to.
Have you heard that?
I think a lot of women, and men too, but mostly women, refuse to take accountability when it comes to stuff like that.
And they often like to victimize themselves.
I'm not.
I mean, I think you've said a lot of times that it's pretty much the fault of the woman in every single situation.
You've put accountability on a woman every single time.
I'm saying we as women should take accountability.
That's what I'm saying.
We should take accountability.
So you're saying it's a 19-year-old's fault?
No, you're saying it's her fault.
She's supposedly a child, she's supposedly a teenager, it's her fault.
I'm not saying it's her fault, but I'm just bad in the way you're asking.
I think we should take accountability for certain situations.
So we should take accountability if we're being financially abused.
We should take accountability if we give up ourselves.
That's not what it's like.
I've learned a lot.
You're grabbing my words by the dick and twisting it hard right here.
I'm saying.
I've learned a lot since I was 18.
I'm definitely not the same person I was when I was 18.
If I were to get into a relationship when I was 18, I would definitely come out of it and be like, what the heck was that?
Because what, like she said, what does that man have in common with me?
Can we have accountability, though?
You're expecting an 18-year-old to take accountability for a 40-year-old man coming up.
That man knows better.
That man has to have more life experiences.
There are certain situations where, hey, it might be the man's fault.
It might be the man's fault.
But there are also situations that we personally should take accountability for, like seeking out older men purely for monetary gain or because we're attracted to them.
I personally am not attracted to them, but some women are attracted to older men because they didn't have a father figure in their life.
That could be one reason, or it could just be merely attraction.
I think we should take more accountability rather than coming out five years later and victimizing ourselves.
And obviously, there are predatory men.
There are a lot of predatory men and there are a lot of predatory women.
But I'm just saying, in the situations where we need to take accountability, we need to take accountability.
So in that situation, the 18-year-old is definitely not at fault.
Yeah, like the power imbalance, because I feel like who has the money, who is older, who has the power in the relationship.
And I'm not saying girls don't go for that sometimes because that's the case, but their brain isn't fully developed.
I mean, power imbalance.
Like, you often hear about this in like workplace relationships where the man actually has authority over you.
But like, I don't think dating a rich guy is like, that's, and you're younger.
That's not the same type of power imbalance as like when a man has authority over you.
What about a 19-year-old man and a 40-year-old woman?
Are you going to say the same thing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I am.
Okay.
Yeah.
I am.
I absolutely am.
It's not like I'm anti-women, anti-this.
I'm just saying we should take accountability.
Like there's a lot of situations that we put ourselves in, but then we end up blaming the opposing party.
And the opposing party could be a man, it could be a woman, but we have I mean, a lot of people I know have this inclination to just go back on it and be like, oh, I absolutely did nothing wrong, or maybe I did a little wrong, or it's their fault.
Or I'm a victim.
I'm a victim.
Like, sort of like baby.
I consensually dated a man who was older than that.
Bebe Rexa or whatever her name was.
Like she just went back on all that and then just put these screenshots out there.
I think that like, I don't know.
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Thank you.
Let me ask this.
Okay, so I think the example I gave previously was, would you object to a 31-year-old dating a 21-year-old?
And I said, I think that, I mean, like, I think, I would think it's kind of weird, but I don't think that's a good idea.
Would you think it's predatory?
No.
I mean, like, 30 and 20 isn't like that massive of an age gap.
Okay.
I mean, like, 10 years, but also it's different.
Like, 18 years old is very different than 21 years old.
Okay, how about 19 and 29?
How about that?
I would think that was weird, yeah.
You would object to that.
I mean, not again, I can't object to anybody's relationship, but I can consider something like predatory.
I would consider it weird, absolutely.
Would you consider it predatory?
I don't consider, I don't, I don't think that there's anything a 29-year-old will have in common with an 18, 19-year-old.
Sex?
If that's the basis of it, then again, that's predatory and weird.
Women are so much more emergently mature than men, though.
Like, don't you all agree with that?
I like you.
They go way faster than men.
Like, I feel like I was intellectually superior by at least five, ten years to most of the men in my grade.
definitely agree with that like i've heard like some girls say like oh like date older men because naturally men are like it makes you on the same level naturally Yeah, like, like they said, like, men are naturally, like, 10 years more immature than they really are.
That's true.
It's actually true, no, because that's true.
Yeah, I know.
Men reached their peak at 30.
It's because it's true.
Yeah, but we also shouldn't be like, oh, well, like, like, that's a man at that point.
Like, he's, you know, like, that's a full-grown man.
Like, frontal lobe develop.
That 18-year-old frontal lobe isn't developed yet.
So I think we really have to take that into consideration because if I was making this, I've made some crazy decisions when I was 18 and 19 years old and maybe even now.
But like when it comes to like if I was dating like a 40 year old, like that man, that is a man.
I mean, the frontal virus is always developed.
So, okay, hold on.
Just to bring it back really quick onto this point.
So I want to make sure I understand your argument properly.
So 29 year old, or sorry, 31 year old with 21 year old, the word you would use is weird or predatory?
I mean, well, not predatory.
I think it would be strange.
Again, like weird.
Again, my argument is mainly against teenagers.
I don't think that 40-year-old men should be going after 18 and 19-year-olds.
I think that that's predatory.
The brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25.
So are you saying that we should up the age of consent to 25?
No, I'm saying that's not what I said at all.
I said a 19-year-old wants to talk to an 18-year-old that's completely viable and completely like normal.
That's like a normal age.
So hold on, just a question.
Just a question.
So, okay, let's use teenager, right?
So 19-year-old.
We'll use a 19-year-old that's still a teenager, although I think it is a bit, it's like you're using language to like, because a teenager could also be someone who's 13.
But like, it's a bit like you're trying to paint it in a certain way.
But fine, let's say a 19-year-old.
You would object to 19 and 29.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
And would you object to a 19-year-old woman starting an OnlyFans?
I already said that, yes.
Oh, you would?
I did, yes.
Okay, darn, you've got me.
Okay, well, what's the minimum age then to start an OnlyFans?
I would, to be honest, I would probably wait till like 25.
We were having this conversation earlier, and I think that there are a lot of pros and cons to doing it.
And I think that a lot of 18-year-old women are starting OnlyFans under the guise of these women that have these massive platforms telling them, you're going to make a ton of money.
You're going to get all this money.
You should sign up when you're 18, blah, blah, blah.
But I don't think that they really realize what they're actually doing with their life and the things that will follow from that because they're just thinking they're going to make a ton of money when in reality they're not.
Yep.
So I do not think that 18-year-olds are very in-depth.
I do not think that 18-year-olds should start OnlyFans.
I don't think that 19-year-olds should start OnlyFans.
I think that women should take a long, hard look at what that means and what the pros are and what the cons are.
And I think that you should wait till you're older because I started mine when I was 27.
One sec, one sec.
So just to bring it back to, I think you said, well, what does a 31-year-old have in common with a 21-year-old?
Right?
18.
18.
Yeah.
21 is 18.
Well, I mean, you could still say this.
What does a 30-year-old?
Sure, if you want to argue 21, we can do it.
Okay, fine, 29 to 19.
Okay.
It's not clear to, well, it's not clear to me that having commonality with someone is a primary attraction trigger.
I mean, like, you don't find attraction to people that you have things in common with and that you talk to and can like understand where they're at in their life and their life experiences and things like that because a 29-year-old and a 19-year-old have very, very different life experience.
And a 29-year-old is going to be able to manipulate a 19-year-old very, very easily.
Not necessarily.
I mean, in most cases.
Well, I mean, we were previously talking about this, how women mature a bit faster.
And I would say women actually get a lot more, I think women are much more socially attuned than men are.
So, I mean, you can make the argument in a lot of cases that women socially can actually run circles around men.
I wouldn't say for a 29 or 30-year-old man, I think that's like a massive difference.
Not necessarily.
I mean, he could be, he could be, say he's maybe not the most attractive guy.
Maybe he's got a job.
Like a 19-year-old girl who's kind of a fucking hustler could go in there and absolutely run circles around a dude who's in his late 20s or early 30s.
If she's a hustler, a 19-year-old chick that's a hustler could absolutely fucking run circles around like some like naive 30-year-old who doesn't have much of a relationship experience.
Take, for example, maybe a guy who's not particularly attractive.
He's going to get fucking played.
He's going to get got.
That's true.
I'm not saying that's going to be the case for, like, most women.
I'm not saying most women are hustlers like that.
But, like, you know, they can get got, you know.
So, but I mean, this idea that commonality, I mean, have you ever had a ton of things in common with someone and there was no attraction?
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, sure, all the time.
But like every relationship I've ever had, I've had things to talk about with them in commonality, whether it's life experience or things we've gone through or hobbies or activities or whatever the case may be.
I've also never been attracted to a man that I have nothing in common with.
But also, would you agree that today's generation is growing up much faster as well?
Like, I think back to me being an 18-year-old versus the 18-year-olds nowadays, like, they're talking about shit, doing shit, and aware of shit that I had no clue about at their age.
And so it's also just a sign of the times to a degree, honestly.
No, I agree.
Yeah.
Thank you.
I get it.
I don't know.
Look, if a girl's 5'3 and wants to date a guy who's 6'4, you wouldn't say, but you don't have anything in common with him.
That's, again, that's a physical thing.
That has nothing to do with life experience or like commonality.
Okay.
Well, I mean, okay, what...
I mean, it was...
What is the advantage?
Say you're a 31-year-old guy.
What advantages are there to dating a 31-year-old woman versus a 21-year-old woman?
I mean, as far as life experience, already having partnerships, knowing what you want, knowing what you don't want, being able to talk about those things, having healthy communication and boundaries because you've put in the work through your 20s in order to have those healthy relationships, a 19-year-old probably hasn't done that.
So what I hear is more sexual partners, more relationship baggage, more relationship trauma.
I don't think that I don't consider any of that because every relationship that I've been in, I wouldn't consider traumatic.
I mean, a lot of those were experiences that I had positive experiences with people that I dated where I came out and I said, you want to know what?
Like, I really like this about him and I really didn't like this.
And this is something that I realized in my life that this is something I don't agree with or want.
I mean, go back to Jonah Hill.
I would, if I was him and I started dating that surfer girl after all of my other experiences, I go, you know what?
This doesn't really align with what I want in my life.
So I would just choose not to date that person.
I mean, you just know what you want.
Whereas a 19-year-old has no freaking clue what they want.
Realistically.
I've met a lot of women of varying ages.
And I don't think, I mean, maturity is not a given, even if you are older.
There's a lot of immature people, a lot of people with trauma and baggage and issues that you can find at pretty much any age.
Right.
But I mean, a lot of the reasoning that these men say they want an 18, 19-year-old is because they lack baggage and lack trauma.
So by year-they're also more physically attractive.
I mean, I think that's objective.
Well, I mean, how dare a man be attracted to a woman at the height of her physical attractiveness and fertility?
Yeah, I didn't say that he can't be attracted to somebody that age, but I think when you get to a certain point, it's more so like, oh, she lacks experience.
I'm able to take advantage of that.
She doesn't have a problem.
I mean, that's kind of projection.
But you're implying that that primordial attractive is attraction is predatory.
I mean, it could be predatory, but that's not always the case.
I mean, when you're coming at it as, oh, she doesn't have any baggage.
She doesn't have any relationship experience.
This is somebody that I can easily take advantage of.
Some people don't want to deal with that.
A lot of people aren't included.
Don't want to deal with emotions like baggage, trauma.
Some people don't want to have to deal with trauma.
They don't want to have to be equipped, though.
They just want to become somebody else's trauma.
No, no, no, that's not it at all.
That is a very bleak way of looking at relationships.
Women, women, especially with the incidence of mental health that's going up, like I'm sure y'all at least know like most of your friends at least have anxiety or depression or some form of mental illness.
You get a girl who's younger, closer to a blank slate than anything, lower body count, has not been tainted by the world.
Like, why doesn't that make more sense?
Gonna be less combative, fight with you less, more respectful in the relationship, and doesn't have any bad experience.
I mean, life experience for sure helps, but I feel like for trauma, it can go one of two ways with women.
It could ruin them or it could make them stronger.
And the percentile that it makes stronger is very minimal by comparison.
And I think trauma affects the way that relationships go.
Like, it has a lot to do with relationships.
Like, oh, I'm traumatized because this happened to me.
So these older men have mental objectives.
Yeah, like these men don't have any trauma.
This is how they do it.
Again, men and women are different.
Trauma affects men differently than women, I believe.
It does.
And I don't think it's the partner's responsibility to have someone with that amount of emotional baggage.
I think it's absolutely okay to be like, I don't want someone who is still dealing with these problems.
Like, maybe if they've healed from it, you know, it's fine.
But like, there's certain people who aren't equipped to deal with that sort of thing.
And some people don't want a relationship.
Some people are seeking casual relationships.
You don't want to, and they don't seek out relationships with this amount of debt to them.
And so you don't really want someone who might, you know, harm them in some way, not harm physically or harm emotionally.
But there are certain behaviors that traumatized people might exhibit due to their trauma that might hurt the relationship.
And I myself have trauma, and I'm not going to go ahead and dump it, but I'm saying that has absolutely affected the way I've interacted with people.
That's affected the way that I've loved people.
That's affected the way that I've received love.
And I think it's just not, I don't blame the people for not wanting that.
What's your question then?
We have a couple chats.
Go ahead.
I was just going to ask, I'm curious if anyone knows how does trauma affect men and women differently, or like how does that come out differently?
If anything, what I've heard is that men with mental disorders usually show it way more than women do.
Like borderline personality disorder, men tend to be way more aggressive than women do, than women are.
So I think you are a little bit wrong with that because some men simply cannot control themselves.
Well, that's the way it's exhibited.
It's going back to the saying that like men and women commit suicide equally, but most men actually die of suicide because when women attempt them, it's going to actually affect them.
Most women attempt it more because, let me finish.
Most women attempt more because men don't care about how they die.
They want to do it in the most crazy way possible.
Let's move on from that.
Okay, let me do some chats here.
We have Alarez here.
I guess bits aren't accepted, but a few of these girls know what they are talking about.
I'm an older man that used to date older women in my 20s.
pH balance of God is no joke.
I've learned a lot over the years.
And boiling a sex toy is the only way to sanitize what the boil them?
You boil them?
Boil sex with dildos in the same pot that you're making craft mac and cheese.
He's right.
Hell no.
Then he's waiting for you.
Wait, I'm making a dildo suspect.
Wait, boiling a sex toy?
The only way to...
What are those things called that heat things?
An autoclave?
Wait, autoclave?
Is that a thing that's like.
That's correct.
Yeah, that's where I put my sex toys.
The autoclave.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Testing tolerance here.
Thank you, man, for the Streamlabs donation.
What does a 40-year-old man have in common with an 18-year-old woman?
Dumbest question ever asked by wall-approaching women.
How about 15 million years of primate evolution?
Amazing levels of ignorance here.
Not my words.
Don't shoot the messenger.
That is from testing.
Do you guys want to talk about evolution?
And then you guys come on here and call girls fat.
Okay, let's talk about how back then in evolution, if you guys have ever heard of, I think it's like the body of Venus or something like that.
I could be completely wrong on the name of the, it was like a super, super old ancient artifact from like literally like the cavemen days.
And it was literally this woman who is like a little caveman days?
I don't think that was a good idea.
Okay, no, no, it was like Italian Renaissance.
Yeah, okay, it was like something.
It was like something like they found it in like a cave or something.
Like back then when people would like still do cave stuff.
I'm not exactly sure on what year, but there is this woman who was literally like a bigger woman and she had wide hips, big boobs, like they were a little bit saggy, but like it doesn't matter because that's what like beauty was back then because let me finish.
Because the standard is different.
Yeah, the standard is different.
Back then, the cavemen would look at that and biology would be like, okay, literally go for that woman because she can, she's fertile.
She looks for that.
Well, that's true.
You guys mentioned earlier that men should evolve from certain behaviors.
So why can't women evolve to not be fat?
I'm literally just saying how men like to talk about biology all the time, but then like they like to come up on it.
Because they're bringing up a statue has nothing to do with biology.
I'm saying that back then.
Biologically, biologically, this was the most beautiful woman figure ever.
It was literally natural beauty.
But I think with the right clothes, the right look, you could be very striking.
Whoa, what the fuck?
What was that?
What was that?
It was a, I think that was Nick who said that.
How dare you, Nick?
I didn't even hear one to say that.
Well, being fat might have been desirable back then.
I can already tell them I don't like you.
Okay, let's just say that.
It's not that being fat was desirable.
It's that I think it was looked like you could with sand childbirth.
With wide hips.
Hold on.
Whoa, we have a chat here from Jai Kai here.
That's a sign of fertility.
Thank you for the 50 for Naomi hands down.
You're the most beautiful girl on this podcast.
You have true class.
Oh, thanks.
And love God.
Those two qualities make you a 10.
Oh, actually, you know what?
Speaking of that, we have Stiffler here.
Ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of 1 to 10.
Starting with you, go ahead.
I've already thought about this.
I saw that earlier, and I was going to say, like, I'd say probably a six or seven, probably close to the seven.
Okay.
To be generous.
A 10.
All right.
A seven.
I don't know.
Just throw something out there.
Throw something out there.
I don't want to.
Okay, what about you?
10, baby.
Okay.
Okay, well, judging that they both said seven, I'm going to say seven because I think, yeah.
I'll say a five.
Fresh out of the shower, six and a half to seven.
Seven on average, eight on a good day.
Okay, I give myself a six.
I'll give myself a six.
Okay.
So ten, ten.
Yeah.
Ten out of ten.
Yes.
So perfect.
You guys are perfect.
In my own eyes, absolutely.
Perfect.
But it's just clear.
Why am I going to come onto the internet and be like, yeah, I'm a five?
Like, I'm just putting myself down.
It took me so long to love myself, Brian.
I'm going to stay here and I'm going to be like, I love myself.
I'm a 10.
I don't care what you think.
I don't care if you don't think I'm a 10, but I'm beautiful.
Wait, so question, question.
Should everybody be a 10?
Yeah.
Everybody, everybody.
Are all women 10s?
I think we should all feel like a 10.
I just wasn't going to go in with that because I think they're 10s and they're rating themselves 7s.
So I'm like, okay.
I think women are beautiful.
So all women should be 10s?
I think all women should, I agree.
They should all feel like 10s.
Absolutely.
They all have.
Are all men tens?
All men should feel like they're tens, absolutely.
No, but do you view all men as tens?
I mean, of course not.
Whoa.
But I'm rating myself, am I not?
I'm not rating you or any of you.
I think Brian gets so hurt anytime somebody rates themselves a 10.
Brian.
I'm so hurt.
I feel like a healthy self-image is based on, number one, your own self-love that should come first, but it should also come from outside influence as well.
That shouldn't be the main thing, but it is a healthy person.
Yeah, why would I allow what somebody else thinks about?
Because otherwise, you live in an echo chamber.
Otherwise, you'll live in an echo chamber.
And your own bias, your confirmation bias in your own life, would lead you to be very wrong.
Not necessarily with your looks, but with personal flaws that you may encounter.
I know my personal flaws.
I'm just saying I'm not thinking I'm the most perfect person in the world.
Is Lizzo a 10?
Lizzo is beautiful.
Lizzo is a 10.
Absolutely.
She is.
She's beautiful.
Go ahead.
And a great role model.
I think that it's great, and I think everybody, it's great if they feel like they're a 10 and they should feel like they're a 10.
But being realistic, like, the reason I rated myself on that too is just based off, like, like I said, character defects, things that probably wouldn't make me a 10 in other people's eyes, things that I could improve on.
And that's just being like realistic.
Yeah, I just keep that a little bit private because it's not anyone's business to know like my character flaws, you know?
Like, not something I really want to put out into the internet.
I want to be able to do that.
Those of you who rated your life.
Get those cheap makeup wipes away from me.
Get those cheap makeup wipes away from me.
Literally get them away.
That's going to make me break out.
That's going to make me break out.
Take that.
Literally, I don't even want to see that.
Anybody want to revise their ransom?
I think I look better without makeup.
Yeah, I would say maybe a half.
Neutrogena actually has allelic acid.
You like brought like mint, like Missler water or something.
Yeah, Neutrogena.
I'm not going to use those skincare tunes.
And like, you've had that bad makeup wipes.
Has anybody actually taken off their makeup?
It's safe to do that.
This podcast is sponsored by Neutrogena.
Okay, we have Steelworker.
Thank you for the $69 Streamlabs donation.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Miss Indiana is the goat.
Come back to Indiana and I'll show you a proper date.
Oh my gosh.
I'm coming back in August.
Oh shit.
Steel Worker.
Thank you.
He is a Steelworker.
Okay, then we have.
Let's see.
Wait, fuck.
Where were we?
We had.
Did we do this one?
Did we do...
Oh, no, we did Naomi and then Eyes Wide Shut.
Thank you, man.
Not sure how I mistook the girl to the left of the Latina as part of the 3FO panel.
My bad, there's still hope.
Plus, she's a beauty.
Christ is king.
Christ is king, baby.
Thank you.
Mercy Buku can speak.
Merci Buku for the Canadian 50.
Gorgeous, rational-based mindset with reasonable analysis.
We need more women like the four women to your left, Brian.
Kiki can be included.
Okay, she's somewhere.
Kiki's somewhere back there.
Thank you, Keen.
Much appreciated.
We have Eyes Wide Shut again.
Mercy Buku for the Canadian 50.
My left, your right.
3FOs to her right, all the way to the blonde are walking elves.
He says you're walking elves.
Don't shoot the messenger, guys.
There's a lot coming from a guy that pays for a podcast to talk on a podcast.
$100.69.
Starting from the right side of the table.
8.5-4-7-6-6-5-6.5-7-6.
And Brian, of course, is 6.9.
Okay, 6.9.
There you go.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Thank you, Dwight.
Dwight Shroot.
All right, we have the brunette.
Wait.
Did I read this one?
The brunette with the accent, I didn't catch her name, is Beautiful Plus Smart.
Huge W. If she's still single, then she's a walking trifecta.
Either way, she makes you three or fours look like what you truly are, but I can't say because society is woke.
Cat.
What's your name?
He wants her name, by the way.
Amy, Dangerfield.
Her name is Amy Dangerfield.
Any relation to Rodney Dangerfield?
I wish.
No respect.
No respect.
Okay, Tyler, thank you for the 50.
5'7 with six figures and 7 inches.
How did the ladies rate that?
Just curious.
Okay, how do you guys rate a guy who has a cat avatar?
Is it 5'7?
Oh.
He's 5'7 height, six figures, and his appendage is 7 inches.
If that's your cat, it actually helps you.
I can do a good rating.
So the cat already starting off strong.
5'7, that's perfect.
That's like an inch and a half taller than me.
Six figures, whatever.
That's not really important.
Seven inches might be too much.
Not sure how I feel about that.
That was really good.
So you're saying that her ex has a chance.
Oh!
I just want to say, I'm sorry for being mean.
That was petty of me to say that.
I just want to say it was petty of me.
She's had a very good idea.
Redemption arc.
I've had a very long day.
Redemption arc.
I'm a bad pedal.
I'm a bad pedal.
I'll apologize.
You had a bad day because you said.
I didn't have a bad pedal.
I had a long day.
Long day.
A long day.
That's better.
I do want to apologize.
It was rude.
I'm going to say that.
It was rude.
Apology accepted.
Thank you.
Sort of.
On behalf of your boyfriend.
Who's coming on the show and who's going to talk about?
Where do you know who he is?
He's coming on the show.
He's going to talk about that.
Okay.
Alright.
Do you guys want to?
Here, quick, quick.
Just rate him.
Just rate him.
Quick.
Just need your.
5'7 isn't tall enough for me.
Okay, what about you?
No, he's good.
He's fine.
Yeah, true.
I think the cat really helps.
Yeah.
I don't want to rate him.
I have a boyfriend who's very beautiful.
5'8's usually my minimum, but we would see.
I like the cat, though.
Cute cat.
Naomi.
I don't know.
I don't know what he looks like.
Isn't Naomi I moan backwards?
Yes, I got that joke a lot in middle school, high school.
You're like, do you know what Naomi has backwards?
Miche.
Okay.
Let's see.
Oh, Alaraz.
Weird Top is a 10 with great late night talks.
Bangs is a 8 with many late night fights.
Far right and far left just for the bed and camera.
Alaraz, thank you, man.
Who is the weird top?
Who has the weird top?
I'm assuming you?
I'm you.
Is that you with the weird top?
Who has the weird top?
I don't know who has the weird top.
Okay, we have NPC IRL.
Literally, the two claiming they're a 10 are the absolute that thing.
Looks and personality.
Girl on the far right is a nine plus.
I think that's you.
These are the highest ratings I've ever gotten in my life.
So I'm like soaking it all in.
Yeah, you're a weirdo.
You're a dream.
You're an athlete.
You're like, you're the prettiest girl on the panel by far.
Stop.
Yeah, that's you, baby.
I'm going to kiss you guys all later.
Haram!
Bang.
Anna Hai.
Anna.
And as.
As.
Is that what your father's?
That's fine?
Did you go as?
I mean, whatever.
He's kind of insulting you guys.
Do you have a response to NPC IRL?
I mean, he's literally an NPC.
So why do I?
Roasted.
Boom.
You're done.
He would never have a chance with either of us.
That's right, NPC.
Bangs would never go for.
I'm sorry, sorry.
And he.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I keep.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Say my name again.
Say it.
Does that look like this is getting a little old?
No, just say it.
I need to hear you say it.
Say my name.
No, say it the correct way.
Gertrude?
Okay, we got it.
Sweet.
I want to try to get through all of your guys' pre-show notes that you sent me because I want to be considerate of everyone that provided them.
So we have.
We're getting there.
We're getting there.
So I think we hit most of As's points.
Essie, you got catfished on a date once.
I tried to stick it out.
I should have left.
Very quickly, what happened on your catfish date?
Oh my gosh.
So, this was like around COVID.
So, um, preface it with that.
Um, met him on a dating app.
We got along really, really well, but because of COVID happening, a lot of the businesses were closed, so we were waiting a while to plan the first date.
Um, we ended up getting um like coffee to go somewhere, and like that was the date.
But um, I remember like pulling up to the place where we were meeting, and he I'm like looking for him because he said he would be waiting outside.
And he was like, I'm literally outside right now, and I'm like, I don't see you anywhere.
He's like, I'm literally standing in front of the door, and I'm like, Oh no, in this moment, I realized I was probably getting catfished.
Um, and he looked vaguely like the photos, like it was almost like the photos were taken maybe when he was like very, very young and from like partial angles.
Um, but I wanted to stick it out because we had such a good emotional connection that I thought maybe like I could obviously look past like that because he we really did get along really well.
So, I wanted to stick it out, and I definitely should not have done that.
I've learned my lesson.
Um, he ended up being like a little bit crazy, um, like needless to say.
We like went back to his apartment to drink the coffee, like sit in the living room, and he like had to go to his bedroom to take a light bulb out of the lamp from the bedroom to bring it and put the light bulb in the lamp in the living room.
And then he like offered me chili that he cooked.
It was like very weird.
Is it chili good?
I didn't eat it.
Wow, poison chili, poison till it chili.
So it was just a one and done date situation.
Okay, so he's a little crazy.
Are you a little crazy though?
Like a little crazy?
I mean, I feel like everybody's a little bit crazy.
I don't want to just proclaim myself as being a crazy woman.
Okay, and then your other thing is, I'd like to speak on women paying for first dates.
This is a hot take with my friends, and they hate when I do this.
Are you guys her friends, by the way?
Do you hate when she does this?
Do you disavow her paying for you?
Disavow?
I mean, I wouldn't say disavow.
I think it, I think this, I don't know if this is necessary.
I mean, like, I know a lot of people view it as a hot take.
I don't necessarily think it matters if the woman pays for the date first, if she's like okay with that.
I personally will always offer, you know, when I was single, I would always offer.
And even now, in my relationship, like, I don't mind paying for dates and stuff.
First date, I think I can kind of go either way, but yeah, I think that's a conversation that just varies person to person.
Wait, hold on.
So, question for you: you said you would offer, but was it a token courtesy offer, or was it like, would you be upset if a guy took you up on your offer to pay?
I mean, not necessarily, no.
Oh, okay.
Go ahead.
What's your take?
Oh, I'm just very adamant about paying for the first date, especially if it's somebody that I really like.
Just a point of clarification: when you say paying for the first date, do you mean paying for your stuff or paying for both?
Everything.
Yeah.
You'll pay for the dude.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
I just want to show she's a queen.
It's good.
It's good.
Okay.
I just really like showing that I care.
And I feel like guys deserve to be treated too.
So that for me, but it can go 50-50.
Sometimes the guys really don't like it.
And sometimes the guys really do like it and they enjoy it.
But I always say, hey, I'll pay for this.
You pay for the second date.
So that was my reason.
Okay, so yeah, I'm always like, I'll pay for the first date.
You pay for the second.
And that also insinuates that we'll see each other again.
I feel like some men do get offended though.
If I were to even take out my wallet, they'd be like, no, Like, I'll do it.
You know?
And like, it's almost like a stab to their masculinity almost.
I feel like some men are really like, no, I like the leader, I guess.
And they want to pay.
They want to do it all.
They want to plan out the date.
And then even when like you like fake take out your wallet and you're like, and they're like, I feel like a lot of it though too is, I mean, going from the expectation of women because it is so common for women to expect men to pay for the first date.
And so if they really like a girl, they might just be like, no, no, no, because they don't want to screw up their chances with that woman.
Because I don't necessarily think it matters, but I think most men, I mean, some might feel emasculated, but I think a lot of it is just the expectation of, oh, I have to pay for this date or I'm never going to see this girl again.
Yeah.
I guess at my age, when I go into a date, I mean, I have paid for a date before, like on second, on third, like when we're actually trying to pursue something and I realize, okay, I like him, he likes me.
Oh, let me pay for the date.
And they're still like, no, no, no, no.
I'll do it.
But like, I was perfectly willing to pay for that like $80 date or whatever.
But I guess at my age now that I'm older, when I'm choosing people or saying yes to people who are inviting me out, I'm really, really picky.
And so I'm looking for like husband material.
So for me, if you're going to be my provider, you're going to be my protector.
If I'm, my hips are going to separate to bear your child and I'm going to gain weight.
I would hope you'd pay for me on the first date.
Exactly.
Do you see what I mean?
But I prefer to cook it.
Granted, I mean, I can, but I'm just saying, like, if you were to invite me on the date and like he's trying to show me, like, hey, you know, I can be husband material.
Okay, after that, we can split.
So we can, I can pay for you because I love you, you love me, whatever.
But I feel like maybe the first date, especially at my age, it'd be nice.
I feel like Essie kind of just has the role reversal of how the man feels.
Like the man usually is like, oh, I want to treat her.
I want to make sure she knows that she's being treated.
Whereas Essie's kind of just flipping it and being like, no, I want to show you that like you deserve to be treated as well.
I think that's just kind of what it is.
He takes the lead in that and then you can kind of follow as after that.
If you want to pay for him, you know.
I've paid for dates, just not the first one.
Right.
You know?
Would you feel emasculated if a woman paid for the first date entirely?
What's your favorite?
He wants that.
That's gangster.
It's gangster.
She's so into you.
I think Oblivion is a little scroll's good.
I got this chick.
All right.
That, yeah, she's just so into you.
Yeah.
I don't think there's anything wrong with it, necessarily.
I think it just sounds.
Yeah, it's good.
I mean, I'd prefer to cook it.
Cook, just in general, just like, I wouldn't want to like.
For a first date, you want someone in your house?
Okay, maybe not first date.
But just in general, like, I'd prefer to, I ain't got a home, bro.
But, uh.
I'm kidding.
Joke, joke.
But I don't know.
I'd prefer to cook, but like, I would want to pay for the first date.
Like, I don't know.
Like, just treat on me.
I don't know.
I think some men are like super worried.
Like, oh, now I have to pay for the first date.
I will say, though, I do go in, like, expecting to pay for my half sometimes.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
And then, but then, like, in reality, like, when I go on a first date, like, I'm not worried about, like, I'm not thinking about, like, oh, my gosh, like, I have to pay.
I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm going to send my friends my location.
I'm like, I'm going to make sure I don't get killed.
You know?
Modern problems call for modern solutions.
So I think you should split.
You should split the bill.
Or, I mean, look, if the girl wants to pay, sweet.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
That's just rare.
One time a chick bought me a burrito.
There's no rules.
That was nice.
There's no rules.
It's fully, I mean, I think like, especially if you're going on a first date with somebody, that might be a conversation worth having.
I know it's kind of awkward, but then like, if you're actually really liking someone and it's coming down to the check being the final decider, like, I think that's just bizarre.
Like, oh, I don't want to go out with him ever again or see him because he didn't pay for me that one time.
Yeah, that wouldn't be a rule breaker for me.
Like, if I went on a date and I really liked a guy and he's like, okay, like, let's split.
I'd kind of be like, oh, maybe he wasn't that into me.
Amy, what do you think?
What do you think, Amy?
Clarify the question for me again.
Oh, just like, who should pay on the first date?
Oh.
Men.
Yeah.
Cool.
I'm so excited.
That's what I would expect.
I mean, obviously, with this modern day and age, it could be whoever, and nobody has to be offended by it.
But for me personally, if a guy is taking me out on a date, you better be paying.
Yeah, whoever asks, I think.
Especially as a girl, you have to get ready.
You know, like makeup's expensive.
You maybe get a new outfit.
Like, you spend hours getting ready.
It takes me hours to get ready.
I don't think the like, oh, I put on makeup thing is a good argument for why men are not.
But it depends on the type of woman you are.
For a woman, if you're like a woman who wants a more like traditional relationship, then you would want it to kind of stop that way as well.
So for me, I want a more traditional relationship.
So for me, that's like a given.
It's not even something I need to do.
Once you court me, we're continually dating.
I have no problem having a double date.
I just don't like feeling like a bum.
Like, I just don't like feeling like a bum.
I don't know.
Maybe that's just amazing, but I just don't like feeling like a bum, bro.
Well, ultimately, too, like, if you guys are pursuing marriage or whatever, he's going to provide for you and the kid.
So that's a good example.
It's a good start, like you said.
Okay.
So you think it's a hot take that you it's unusual.
It's not unusual is not the right word.
It's uncommon for women to pay for the first date.
I don't think it's uncommon.
Have you ever had a guy like try to take advantage of you because that was your generosity in the beginning?
I have to think about that one.
I don't think I've ever had a guy try to take advantage of me necessarily.
I'm trying to think.
Was there ever not a second date where you're like, oh, you get the next one?
Not really.
I don't think so.
And then you said, okay, you also said your hot take would be that dating is backwards now.
It's sex first, emotional connection second, which you hate.
Yes.
Yeah, I just think that like, like everyone's talking about like promiscuity and like social media, dating apps, all of these things combined really affect like how modern dating has become.
And now it's more so like there's all these options all the time, constantly.
So why would anybody want to commit or feel the need to settle down?
I mean, me personally, I'm saving it till marriage, but I've had a lot of friends who have gone into relationships where it's sex first and they just often feel so dissatisfied because like what would have been like a nice intimate moment is just completely destroyed by yeah.
Are these guys or girls?
Both.
A mixture of them.
Both.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Previous to my relate my current relationship, I was celibate for about two, two and a half years.
And, you know, I just had made that decision for myself because I felt like the expectation for sex was like the first thing that the men wanted.
And I was like, well, you are only using me for the sexual component of everything.
And I don't really like that.
I don't like the way that it makes me feel.
So I was waiting and waiting and just seeing.
And, you know, I would go on dates and like people would be putting so much pressure.
I'm like, well, clearly you're not somebody that I want to be with if you're going to continue to pressure me like that.
And so I just, I think it really changed my view on dating and my view on relationships and what I wanted in somebody.
Again, I think casual sex is fine if that's what you want.
I'm not going to shame anybody for that, but celibacy really changed my view on who I was dating and why.
Respect.
So that's your hot take?
That's it.
I think she's got a good point, though, as far as the settling down because of dating apps and everything like that and social media, because I see it in actual long-term relationships too, where men are liking other Instagram models, photos, and whatever, where they're just constantly looking for the next thing.
So it's very easy for people to move on and go, oh, well, there's like this catalog of women or this catalog of men that I can log on and I can just swipe through until I find exactly what I'm looking for.
So it's just, yeah, there's just too many options.
You have a harder time making a final decision.
Absolutely.
Basically, never.
Yeah, yes.
Well, I think, I mean, but just to kind of address your thing here, as far as Sex first, emotional connection later.
I mean, of those of you who have had long-term relationships, and perhaps there's some variance here.
I can speak for myself at least.
The long-term relationships I've had, I've had a five-year relationship, two-year, one-year, I've had, you know, a couple, six months, nine-months, ones, whatever.
Almost all of them, it wasn't like, here, let's go on 10 dates and then have sex.
It was like first, second, third date, we time hanging out, we had sex.
So I don't know if any of you can speak to this, but I don't necessarily think the quickness with which you sleep with somebody is necessarily going to be a detriment to you having a long-term relationship with them.
Because perhaps some of you have had a long-term, pleasant relationship with someone and you guys hooked up relatively quickly, you know, first, second, third date.
Has that been the case for any of you?
Yeah, sure.
Essie, what's up?
I haven't been in a relationship in six years.
I can't really talk about it.
What's going on, Essie?
How's wait, but you haven't been in a relationship for six years?
You said you were in a six-month situation.
It's not exclusivity.
It's not like dating with a label.
It's like the courting process, going on dates, seeing each other, getting to know each other.
No, not like relationships.
Okay, so question.
You haven't been in a relationship for six years, but you have had situationships.
Excuse me.
So then, but in these situationships, are you like, what's your, how do you move?
Are you waiting to have sex?
Yeah, I go by, a lot of women are aware of the third date rule.
Yeah.
I usually go by that, depending on like how often we're still seeing each other.
I mean, have you established an emotional connection typically by the third date?
I think within the third date, I'm aware and I know if I like want to pursue this person like in a like I would it's hard to say not a relationship but like be exclusive with them and want to get to know them more.
Sure.
Has that always been your standard?
The three third date rules?
Not always.
Sometimes I'll wait longer, but I've never got shorter.
Never shorter.
No.
Come on.
No.
Come on.
Once, there was one time.
My friends say I'm asexual because I just don't like.
Yeah.
You're ace, are you?
I don't think so.
Just because you wait for I'm just not like sexually driven, so it's like not an issue for me to wait.
Like I've been celibate for years at a time.
Yeah, see?
So it's like, and once I get to know somebody more, then my sex drive comes into play and I'm like wanting to like have sex with them.
Yeah.
Women are emotional when it comes to sex.
Even like climaxing like we were talking about, I feel like men, like their emotions don't take place with their orgasm.
With women, like that definitely, like the more comfortable I am, like if I'm in love with you, like it's just easier to climax.
Sure.
Well, okay.
So I mean, I don't know.
This whole like, I guess one thing that occurs to me is if it's always been your standard, like to wait, I think that's one thing.
But I think a lot of guys don't want to feel like a sucker because there's definitely been situations where, for example, a girl says, oh, I used to have, I used to be wild.
I used to have, like, I had a ho phase in my past, blah, blah, blah.
I've slept with 20, 30 guys, and then she lands on you, and now she wants to wait.
But she didn't have that attitude with all her previous partners.
Now, listen, if that's her, that's totally her call.
If she wants to wait until marriage after having slept with 100 people, that's her call.
However, guys are, I think, within their right to look at that and be like, well, that wasn't your standard in the past.
So I don't want to see you.
Like, I'm not going to wait.
So goodbye, you know?
If he loves and respects you, then he will respect that.
Well, he can respect it, but he could be like, he could have his own standard too and be like, well, you want to wait three months.
I don't.
So we should.
I like those moments.
And he's entitled to saying goodbye.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think that that's a problem necessarily, but I agree with you.
I mean, like, if he left because of that, then I would just kind of be like, okay.
Sounds like he only wants you for sex.
Yeah, yeah.
Because, you know, because you're allowed to, especially like if you're saying that women, that men want women that are like pure or whatever the case may be, lower bodies, like even if she had a ho phase in the past, if she's changing and adapting and trying to become a more moral version of herself that matches his morals, like why would that be something that you would look down on?
What?
I couldn't hear you.
I was speaking.
It could be that you might be attracting the wrong kind of people.
Again, you're putting the accountability only on the women instead of saying that.
No, no, I'm just offering an alternate point of view.
Well, look, I suppose, yes, I suppose it's better if a woman had a promiscuous past, if she's trying to get more in line with non-promiscuity.
I suppose that's more desirable than continuing in her promiscuity.
But I think it's kind of like a lot of guys are looking at that where it's like, okay, she had a promiscuous past.
All the previous men she slept with, she slept with quick.
But now I come along or this guy comes along and it's like, oh, now you want to wait.
And so a lot of guys are looking at that and being like, well, hold on.
And you also hear this from like, I've heard something like girls will like sleep with guys who they like they consider jerks or assholes and they'll sleep with them really quick.
But here comes along like a gentleman, but now that guy who you think is potentially husband material, you're going to make him wait.
And guys kind of view that and it's like, oh.
But I think if you're looking at it, I mean, sure, I understand where you're coming from and the perspective that some men might have with that.
But if you're looking for a more woman that's more pure, aligned with whatever that you align with, I think that you should look at that as a bonus of, oh, she sees something in me that she didn't see in these other men and she wants to have a long-standing relationship with me.
And she's changing that level of promiscuity and trying to actually build a foundation for our relationship.
And if a man really loves a woman or likes a woman that he's dating, he should be okay with and respect that.
Yeah, if I wait to sleep with someone and I like emotionally get to know them first, I actually respect them more.
And I also feel like three dates is not a too crazy of it.
I'm waiting for you.
Three dates isn't a lot, but like.
Yeah, so I don't know what, I'm not sure where this conversation is steering.
I also don't know if any of us can relate to like the example that you gave of like being a hoe and then now making a guy wait.
Can anybody in a count of 100?
Yeah, can anybody here relate to that?
Absolutely.
No, but okay, I'm sure there have been, there's probably women here at the table who have maybe in the past hooked up with a guy first time meeting him.
And then you'll make another guy wait three dates, six dates, however long it is.
So it's kind of like you give two different men like different sorts of treatments.
Here's like an example I'd like to give is how would you feel if your current boyfriend, you've been dating him for a year, he doesn't really do much in terms of like, he doesn't get you gifts, doesn't really take you out to dinner.
You like each other.
He likes you, you like him.
But, you know, he's not really doing anything in terms of, you know, like I said, taking you on dates, maybe, you know, gifts, whatever it may be.
You find out that his last girlfriend, he was taking her on trips.
He was buying her gifts.
He was providing, paying for the first date.
Wouldn't that make you feel a certain type of way?
Like, oh, why is he giving, like, why is he doing all this for her?
You know, yeah, but even that you have a conversation with them about that and like bring up why you're feeling a certain way and get the answer that you either want or don't want from them.
Because I think like gifts and traveling is a lot different than like giving your body to somebody.
I mean, if we're saying that sex is different to men and women, then shouldn't the man expect, oh, well, maybe she's changed her mind on her like promiscuous phases and maybe she sees something else in me that she didn't see in somebody else.
But I mean, if a guy was treating his last girlfriend really, really well and getting her gifts and traveling and like wanting to go places and do things and then he didn't do that for me, I would just assume he didn't like me very much.
And this is also under the assumption that he's going to know about all the other people you've slept with in the time frame that you slept with.
Like, this doesn't even make any sense.
Yeah.
But I understand where you're coming from.
I do.
And I could see how somebody might view it that way.
But I mean, again, I'm not going to go sit on a first date with somebody and be like, okay, so I slept with this guy on this date and I slept with him after date one, two, three, four, five.
Like, I would never do that.
We have a chat here from NPC IRL.
Literally, the two claiming they're doing.
Oops.
Bender the Offender, ladies, when was the last time you complimented a man and why?
I compliment the man that I like every single day.
The rapper, dude?
No.
You're still in this city.
He's in his DMs every single day.
No, I said I'm currently in love with somebody.
Sorry.
And I always tell them that they love them.
Who?
I'm not going to tell you.
You're in love with somebody?
Yeah, but I've only hung out with them like twice.
I just, I told you, I fall in love really fast.
What?
Okay.
Anybody else compliment?
When's the last time you complimented the man?
I compliment men all the time.
Yeah, all the time.
Honestly.
Yeah.
Besides my boyfriend, I told my dad he had a really nice hat before I left.
Oh, that's not how I thought that sentence was going to ravel itself.
Amy, what about you?
Yeah, like, so I was just on Rolo and Michael's show.
I told them that they are some of the smartest dudes I know so far as evolutionary psychology goes.
I think that men appreciate compliments a lot more than women do.
Yeah.
So I think that giving a man a compliment is something that we should do more often.
Yeah, because they get them a lot less than we do.
Exactly.
And they remember that.
Like if you tell a man something good that good that they did or you know something that they wore or whatever, like that's going to stick in their head forever.
Not to say that women don't appreciate compliments, but I think that men get them less.
Yeah.
I still remember that shit for life.
Yeah, and I think about the saying all the time that like men only get flowers on the day that they die.
And I think about that a lot.
You know, like I love to give men flowers.
I like to buy gifts.
I like to show appreciation for the men in my life, whether it's my dad or my boyfriend or my brothers or whoever the case may be, because they don't get as much attention and praise as women do.
And I mean, I think that that's just fact.
Very true.
Very insightful.
Thank you.
I told a guy in New York City that he had a really good singing voice.
And I told him, you know, a lot of country artists, they have like the same sounding kind of voice and it can all blend into one, but yours really stands out.
Like you have something different.
He just looked at me with like big oh eyes and I was like, he was like so touched.
And it was like just a genuine compliment.
So that understands.
Yeah.
Okay, we have NPC IRL.
Bang's real name is Rumpel Stiltskin.
Essie though.
What?
Rumpelstilts?
Stilts?
Rumpelstiltskin?
What's his name?
Rumpelstiltskin.
It's like a, I know what it is.
It's just evading me.
Okay, we have Eyes Wide Shut with the Canadian 50.
Mary C. Buku did the neck-tatted OF through FO really insults her entire fan base while attempting to insult me.
LOL, I hope they're watching.
I just want to say I didn't insult my fan base.
I love them.
I insulted you, baby.
That's all personal.
Oh, eyes wide shut, 1989 from Canada from Vancouver.
Thank you.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see here.
Okay.
We had Naomi here with some notes here.
We're going to skip the helicopter thing.
If men approached and talked to women in the gym, mall, grocery, as much as they stare at us at those places, we might actually get to a place in society where we could eliminate dating apps, talk to us, we talk back.
I mean, my response to you is, why don't y'all start approaching men?
Do you have everything about that?
Oh, I do.
Oh, man.
If I like a guy, I'll give you hints, but as a traditional woman, I'm not trying to sought you out like a wildcat in the jungle.
But I will drop obvious hints, especially in the gym.
You get a lot of attention when you're working out or whatever, even anywhere.
But you're kind of just look back, smile.
And they're just still looking at you.
Acting like they didn't see you.
And you're like, yeah, you make it obvious.
Well, and this ties in, and we were kind of, and Amy was about to cook on this about is dating easier for men or women.
We'll touch on that here in a sec.
But you do say most of the time we will agree to a date simply because you made the effort.
Yes, simply, because I know that takes bullshit.
No, I don't.
That's fucking bullshit.
No, it's not.
You will agree to a date.
I know somebody does it.
No one has literally done it.
So you're doing pity dates.
No, no, we appreciate the effort.
Like, that's attractive to us, like, that you're bold enough to do that.
I just think it's all in the approach because a lot of men approach women in a very weird way or predatorial way, or they think that they're coming onto a woman when they're actually just being creepy.
Yeah.
Well, it's also just depends.
It's situational too.
Like, if you're at a bar, you know, you know what's going to come at you.
But I'm talking about like, you know, gym, like, mall, like, you get a lot of stairs.
Well, and I mean, it just, like I said, it's all in the approach.
Like, if you're giving somebody also like the physical body language of, oh, I'm looking at you.
You're also looking at me.
Like, this is an inviting, open invitation to come speak to me.
And it, you know, it's different.
Like, there are guys that say really, you might be in that situation.
They come up to you and give you like the worst pickup line of all time or say something really gross to you and they think that that's like a compliment and it's not.
Very noble.
Yeah.
Like it's a different, there's a difference in a guy coming over and being like, oh my gosh, you know, I see you here all the time.
Like, you know, you're, I'm, I'm really impressed with your dedication to working out.
You're really beautiful.
Would you like to go out?
And a guy coming over and being like, damn, girl, your ass is so nice.
Like, you know what I mean?
I mean.
I think it depends on whether or not you're attractive.
Every time women agree to go on date.
Like, maybe it's the case.
It could certainly be the case that in the past, because men, because there weren't dating apps, more men would like approach women.
But now because of dating apps, like men don't really have to approach women as much.
So like there are less men approaching women out in the wild, let's say.
So maybe it's the case that the men that are still actually approaching women might actually probably lean a bit more attractive.
Hold on.
Jan, none Classen donated $99.
Yeah, I think a woman who wanted her intentions to be known would drop her handkerchief.
The man would pick it up and return it.
This gave him the opportunity to ask her put.
Hi's across the room, ain't it?
Yeah, I agree.
Women need to start carrying hands.
Give me a handkerchief.
But yeah, so I think the cohort of men that are probably still approaching women is actually starting to skew, like maybe a little bit more attractive.
But in any case, I don't know if I agree with most women are going to agree to a date when you approach them.
Also, with like porn addiction nowadays, it makes men way less likely to actually talk to girls in real life and pursue them.
That's the point because they make that emotional connection digitally with you guys.
So they kind of, in real life, women, they don't really care to do that because it's right at the tip of their finger.
The parasocial relationships, that actually, that brings up my thing.
So there's less time spent with men chasing women, all that good stuff.
Like 10.15.
Okay.
Yeah, I know it's getting late.
We are going to try to wrap soon.
It was just like the.
A lot of us are from far away.
So many super chats.
I am going to try to wrap up.
I'm going to try to wrap up here very soon, guys.
So thank you for that.
My rights.
You're impatient.
I'm so sorry, you guys.
I had a guy in and out.
Hello.
Okay.
I had a guy.
Wait, this is Allie now.
You had a guy lie to me about his name and age.
Oh, wait, background check.
You did the background check.
Oh, I just want to clarify.
I did do a background check.
Someone said I just did a Google search, but the background check came after that.
You started a business together.
You invested $35,000 under his fake name, then had to contact the Wells Fargo department and took months to get the money back.
Yeah, I had to talk to the high-dollar fraud department to get back the $35,000.
What does this always happen to you and your friends?
Like, this entire time you've like I feel like my friends are similar to me and like we're very naive and gullible.
Yes.
You guys do.
I'm very gullible.
Allie.
Could I have 10K for a business?
I mean, I was in love.
Okay.
If you talk to investors, I was like flying across the country with him and like doing all these business meetings.
It was a business for like basically an OnlyFans competitor platform.
Sure.
And I didn't really want to do it and I realized that, but I was just like in love.
So I was like kind of being a yes man at first.
And then he'd put me in front of these like CEOs for all these companies and like I had all like the experience and the knowledge and like this and that.
And yeah, I ended up not wanting to do it, but it was invested underneath his fake name.
So the high dollar fraud department ended up giving me the money back.
Word.
Good times.
And then we have our girl Anna.
That's how you say your name right.
No.
How do you know?
How do you pronounce it?
Anai.
Anai.
So in your pre-show notes to us, you said you picked up a loser man an hour away from me and got pulled over and got a ticket.
You got a ticket?
Yeah.
Did you smash?
Oh, God.
You do?
Yeah.
She did.
She did.
I did.
I was, but, okay, like, I was not at a good time in my life.
Okay, it was not a good time in my life.
That's all I have to say.
And that was like the first Tinder guy that I had ever met up with.
First?
Yeah.
Okay.
You also said men that want bad bitches but can't handle dating bad bitches.
We already talked about that.
That's what the Donahoe.
Yeah, we talked about that.
That's Joanna Hill drama.
Oh.
Are you a bad bitch?
Yeah.
Show of hands, who here is also a bad bitch?
I think everyone has a lot of stuff.
Yeah, we all are bad bitches.
Am I a bad bitch?
Yes.
If you want to be yes.
What the fuck?
Okay.
Gosh, don't exclude me over here.
Okay.
Sassy man apocalypse.
What?
What's that?
What is that?
What is that?
Men are so sassy nowadays.
Men are sassy.
Yes, they are.
They are.
So much back talk.
Men are sassy.
Back talk.
So much back talk.
Back talk.
What's the example of back talk?
Give me an example.
Literally, okay, I remember not like necessarily back talk, but like they're just sassy.
I remember one time I was like talking to a guy and then he like said goodnight to me at like five and five in the afternoon just because he was upset.
That is a sassy man.
That is a sassy sassy man.
One of the other reasons men don't approach women anymore is due to being falsely accused.
That's true.
I know that's true.
Literally, men that have been like actually gone to trial and have been accused and there is like reports on them live a very happy life.
There is a man.
No, listen to this.
There is a man who in where I live, he's like top chef, top like literal news articles about this man.
You Google his name, first thing that comes up is an entire police report.
But you realize these allegations destroy people's lives, right?
What men literally rarely do.
Yeah, I think you think very rarely do allegations like this destroy people's lives and reputation.
What is ever happening?
Johnny Depp, you know, had his fucking thing ruined.
She took a shit on his bed.
Like, come on.
Team Amber Heard.
What?
Really?
Yeah.
I then.
Wait, whoa, That's a hot take.
Hold on.
Show of hands.
Team Amber.
Who's Team Amber Heard?
Come on.
Fess up.
Fess up.
These two.
Oh, wow.
TMI.
TMI.
Definitely makes sense.
Did you watch the trial?
Yeah, I did, but I also know the UK Sun trial as well, which is basically the kind of game.
Thank you for sharing that.
Sorry.
Somebody seen the idol, though.
I didn't know you didn't.
Thoughtful.
The idol, though.
All right.
Chat, which one do you think is better, Sekiro or Bloodborne?
Thank you.
Oh my god, this one.
I don't know.
I'm trying to like.
I don't know.
I don't give a fuck about Jack or Amber Heard.
I mean, I'm trying to bring something to the table that I do give a fuck about.
And the One Piece?
I do fucking love One Piece, though.
I'm like, sorry.
Jimmy get a lie.
Okay.
No, but like for real, like gear five, coming soon.
Does anyone have any idea what are the words that are coming out of the film?
I can't function.
I'm so unfortunate.
It's in Shane.
I know that.
Okay.
Let's see.
I think we're fully caught up on everything.
Yeah.
Woo.
Reinsurance.
I had one more for.
What?
Hold on.
There's one more thing.
Oh, we had one more thing for Anahey, and then we're going to wrap.
There was some videos, but honestly, it's already so late.
So unfortunately, we're not going to react to any videos.
We could wrap on the Patrice thing.
We'll wrap on.
We'll wait for Anahey.
We'll do that.
Then we'll wrap on Patrice.
Who's Patrice?
We have a quick video we're going to wrap.
We're about to find out.
We haven't done the Patrice video in a while, so we're going to do that.
Before we wrap, anyone speak now forever, hold your peace.
Any final thoughts before we get off your chest?
Real quick, real quick.
Sorry, it's very coincidental that the two of us happen to be on the same podcast right now because we were caught up in some recent Twitter drive.
Or although I was caught up in some recent Twitter dialogue.
I stayed out of it.
Yeah, there was just one thing that I want to clarify.
So there's this girl, Lauren De Lagrino.
I don't know if we talk about this on the pod.
Oh, okay.
No worries.
Maybe, yeah, let's just, I don't want to get dragged into smoke.
Let's go.
I don't want to get dragged into the drink.
It's pretty viral right now.
It's just funny that the whole girl they're talking about the whole time is here on the podcast and no one's heard a single word from her yet.
It was all, but we can keep it a secret.
It's fine.
We don't need to tell them.
I made no statement.
We don't need to tell them.
It's fine.
Wait, are you wanting to make a statement or what?
Everyone's been waiting for her to make a statement for like the last month and she never has.
So, I mean, we can keep it a secret.
It's fine.
Okay, here, one's in the chat.
Chat.
Are you able to pull up the regular chat?
Oh, yeah, Maddie had to take off, guys.
So, chat, do we, yes, does she talk about it?
Are you talking shit about anything?
I don't want to like talk about it.
I'm not talking shit.
It's not.
No, I'm not.
Nerr.
Have you ever dated a bogan?
No, I have never dated a bergen.
Absolutely not.
What's a bogan?
It's like the Australian equivalent of a redneck.
What is it called again?
A bogan.
A bergen.
A bogan?
A bergen, yeah.
Okay.
Have you ever dated someone from Perth?
No.
I was actually born in Perth, though, funnily enough.
And when I was like two, three, my family moved me to Queensland.
Okay.
All right.
Wait.
It was overwhelmingly.
They want to hear the stuff?
Okay, really quick.
Y'all want the smoke?
They want the tea.
Okay, so basically the whole thing is that this girl Lauren was saying that she's a little bit more.
Wait, should we save this for the after show?
You guys down to kick it for a few minutes just because some people might have to.
Okay, we'll save it for the after show.
If you want to see the juicy drama, stay tuned for the after show.
Anahee.
Ana he.
Anai.
Okay.
Last one here.
Also, dating a someone with borderline is a lot more difficult because every man wants to be nonchalant nowadays, and that simply doesn't work for me.
Yeah, I've never seen it.
Because you're BPD?
No, I feel like I need constant reassurance, and every man is like, yeah, I love you, whatever.
You know?
Like, they don't show their love.
They're not really affectionate.
They're kind of just like nonchalant.
I think you need to be nonchalant now.
Have you ever slashed a tire?
No.
I think you should disclose your emotional needs to the man beforehand so that's what you expect.
I do.
I do.
Trust me, I do.
I have that conversation with them.
So how does the BPD manifest itself, you know, in your life?
What do you mean?
how does it come out you you say you have a what is it a diagnosis or is it Yeah, it's a diagnosis.
So you have BPD.
What are the symptoms?
How does it manifest itself?
Can we talk about this another podcast?
Please, I'm so tired, Brian.
It's okay.
I'm actually curious what you would say, though.
Yeah, I can go on and on and on about this.
Word.
Okay, so the last thing is you were saying that men have it easier to get.
Who was saying that?
It's easier for men to get laid.
Yeah, I think I did say that.
Does anyone agree with that?
easier for men to get laid as compared to women i think that i don't i mean i feel like if you say that that's kind of saying that women are easy Like, that statement in itself is implying that women are easy.
I mean, I know guys who have a roster who put girls on rotation.
High value.
I don't really like to put value high or low on somebody just based on like their sexual preferences and things like that.
i think that it's kind of an equal playing field um and also i think that equal Well, yeah.
I mean, men set this.
So we're talking about like men and women.
Okay, they're different if we're going to go there, right?
So if you guys are saying that, men are setting the standard of what women should adhere to.
So women shouldn't be having casual partners because men don't want women with lots of bodies.
So there are a lot of women that are like, well, I'm not going to have casual sex then.
So then these men are not having casual sex and blaming it on the women saying that, oh, well, women are gatekeeping sex.
Well, why do you think they're gatekeeping sex?
Because you're literally shaming them for having casual sex.
Devon Jackson donated 100.
Hey, Devon, what's that?
Future single mother bangs, you have a lot of your personality to work on.
Do you have a response to Mr. Davon Jackson?
Girl, I'm tired.
I'm not going to respond to you.
Davon.
You really wanted to come in, I think, on the dating is easier for men or it's easier for men to get laid.
I said the opposite.
No, no, no, no.
But you were arguing against.
Yeah.
Totally.
Go ahead.
Sure.
Argue.
I mean, from every single level, it's way, way easier for women to get laid than men.
An average-looking woman, a five out of ten, could walk into a club, pick up a guy, a five out of ten guy would have to try really, really hard.
And here's the thing.
When something comes easy, it is oftentimes there's less respect assigned to it.
But whereas for guys, if they need to really work on that, hard work is rewarded.
So just based on that simple premise to learn, a woman who sleeps with a lot of guys that came easy, therefore it's not respected.
A man who slept with a lot of women, generally he needs to work on his character.
He needs to work on his hygiene, his appearance, his status, his accolades, his career, everything in order to be at the same level as that five or six out of ten girl.
What do you call it?
Consider hard work.
Buying women drinks and talking to them?
Raising their caliber as a man.
So a high-value man meaning like working on his physicality, being fit and healthy, working on his hygiene, making a good sum of money, right?
High-value men do not call themselves high-value.
High-value men.
Well, I didn't say that wasn't the prerequisite of what I just said.
I know, I'm just saying.
I'm just saying.
But you're stating that men have to work on all these things in order to get laid, and that is completely false.
Well, as she was saying, I mean, unless you're going to pull and stuff up with a huge dick, right?
I'm talking.
What was she saying?
Go ahead.
So she was saying that she knows plenty of men that also have rosters.
I know more men with rosters than I know.
I know way more men that have rosters than women that have rocks.
I know three men that have to do.
You know, if you know 100 men that have rosters, 100 men out of the entire male population is a very, very small proportion of men.
If you had to attribute a percentage to the amount of men who could easily just have a roster of women, what percentile would you give it?
Would you say 10% of men can do that?
20% of men can do that.
Would you say 50% of men can do that?
Would you say 100% of men can do that?
I mean, obviously not 100.
I think 100 is kind of ridiculous.
But I mean, how many women do you know that have rosters?
They could.
That's the thing.
It's capability.
Capability, sure.
But I mean, I think that probably as long as a man is actually putting in any sort of effort at all, they could probably get a roster.
Are you serious?
Yeah, I don't really believe that.
You're delusional.
No.
I don't know.
Men need to work so hard on what planet.
If you are a decent looking, if you are halfway decent looking at the money.
I have met.
No, I've been decent looking.
I've met some ugly, ugly dudes that have been wholly.
I've met some ugly dudes that have been pulling.
Yeah, I mean, like, it's all based on personality, right?
Like, women have to have a semi-decent personality 99% of the time.
That's a wild.
I would say that attraction does contribute to it, though.
And it could be true that men do have to work harder in some circumstances, especially if they're...
It could be.
It is true.
It is.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
It is true that they have to work harder.
I don't know.
Okay, hold on.
A couple questions here.
A couple questions here.
Has a guy ever made you wait for sex?
Yeah, actually.
More.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
Generally speaking.
Yeah.
Generally speaking, who's making who wait for sex?
Men.
I think it depends on the situation.
That goes back to what I said earlier.
God, bro.
Yeah, that goes back to what I said earlier about women hold like we.
What's like the stupid lock in the gatekeeper oh my god, I hate women.
Element gatekeeper, that's what like the?
Yeah, okay.
Also, how do you explain if, if it, if it is the case that men have?
Just to just clarify your position, you think it's about equal between men and women when it comes to the ease or simplicity with which they can secure sex.
You say it's about equal yeah equal, absolutely okay.
So how do you explain the incel phenomenon, which is exclusive in men?
I mean, there's femme cells.
Yeah, it's impossible, it is literally impossible for a Woman to be involuntarily celibate.
I mean, it isn't.
Have you been on TikTok?
Yeah, that's not involuntary.
What?
Involuntarily celibate.
There are women.
Okay, so she could argue.
She just don't go out and actually speak to women.
I mean, like, they literally hate her.
They think they're like, they deserve sex.
That's what they think.
Not all incels.
So, what's the true definition of an incel?
Okay, so it's short for involuntarily celibate.
So, despite desiring, wanting to have sex, you are incapable of having sex.
Now, there are women who are voluntarily celibate.
For example, like she's voluntarily celibate.
If she was so inclined, and for religious reasons, if she was so inclined, she could get sex tonight.
Right.
I mean, but these men, literally, if you're going and actually speaking to these men, they have like no actual interest in going out and talking to a woman.
It's not necessarily true.
A lot of people who are incels become bitter, I'd say, from their interactions with women because they did go out and they experienced something really shitty.
Yeah.
Okay, but I mean there are the villain.
Let me say, men have hold themselves accountable.
No, I never said that women are the villain.
I think you just love to misconstrue my words.
I'm saying that women could be femme too.
You mentioned them too.
I think that experiences with the opposite gender do affect the way that you perceive them, obviously, in like your interactions.
I wouldn't say that incels and femme cells are entirely socially inept or entirely like devoid of social interaction in general.
I'd say that.
Okay, let me ask everyone a question here.
All the women at the table here, a question.
Let's say tomorrow you wake up.
Let's assume some of you, let's just say everyone's single here.
If you were so inclined, do you think with 100% certainty, if your mission for that day was, I want to have sex, I want to get laid, do you think you'd be able to do it?
Yeah, with 100% certainty.
So that's the difference.
Only a woman can wake up in the morning and say, I'm going to get laid today with all certainty and have it come true.
Sometimes I say that and that doesn't happen to me.
Yeah.
Okay, if as a woman, you download a dating app or you go out to a bar or you even just approach a guy with certainty if you wanted it, you could get laid 100%.
100%.
Whereas like most dudes, even though a good-looking dude, it's not a given he's going to get laid if he like goes out to a bar or club or he's on a dating app.
I mean, dating app, I think dating approaches.
It's hard.
Because it's harder for men to get laid.
I think you absolutely could.
I mean, I see women that are looking for hope of sun dating apps all the time.
Right, but perhaps with a certain tier of men, and also another thing I would add, there has to be some degree of planning.
Like any of you, even though it's Sunday, it's fucking late as fuck.
Any of you could probably hop on Tinder right now tonight and fuck a dude tonight.
I don't care how attractive the dude is.
There's like no chick, it's gonna be extremely difficult for a dude to hop on Tinder on a Sunday at fucking midnight.
I don't care how hot he is and fuck a chick that night.
There's gonna have to be some planning.
It's not gonna just go down like that.
I mean like if I go on Tinder, I'm gonna have to plan that with the guy.
Yeah, but if you were open to same night, like if you were pushing for the same night, you could get it.
Whereas it's not guarantee you could probably get it, whereas it's not a guarantee for men.
Yeah, can I say something?
Real life experiences.
I have two really close friends of mine who are guys and they have the hardest time finding a woman, even just to have sex.
One of them has been celibate for four years.
And he's a decent, he's a decent dude.
He's on the spectrum, but he's like a really decent guy and he struggles.
Even my other friend, he's six foot four, an attractive girl.
Oh, damn.
Has an amazing job.
He hasn't gotten laid in a year.
That's how you know this is.
Okay.
Can you show me photos after the show?
Just so I can see.
But you did mention he's not, one of the guys is not neurotypical.
That's another point I would add.
If a guy is like not neurotypical, they're also like a woman who's not neurotypical, she's even not going to have an issue getting laid.
Whereas a dude who's maybe a little, you know, whatever, he's going to struggle.
He's going to severely.
I bagged a chag, bro.
Sorry.
See, take it from the horse's mouth.
Yeah, dude.
Like, literally, I'm rarted as fuck, bro.
You're not retarded.
You're actually very strong.
No, I have autism.
It's honestly hilarious.
It makes you really funny.
Thank you.
Yeah, I'm rarted.
Wait, what about the bus?
Tell us about the bus.
No, I'm not saying about the bus.
Tell us about the bus.
Tell us about the bus.
No, I'm not talking about the bus.
The fucking short bus, bro.
The fucking short bus.
They put me on that for like a hot minute, but then they realized I was like functioning.
So they said, no, you can take the normal one.
No.
Oh, sorry.
No, but seriously, like, I've seen like, like, I made friends with this autistic guy, like, like, over my Japan trip because he was studying abroad.
And like, I saw the way people interacted, like, like, treated him.
Like, they're like, oh, my God, this guy's fucking weird, bro.
Like, and other people are like, oh, that's so endearing, her autism.
I go, she's so whatever.
Like, oh, poor little thing, poor little thing.
But they're like, oh, my God, bro, that fucking Jake, bro.
He's fucking weird as shit, bro.
Like, hide your kids, bro.
Like, Jake is fucking weird.
Like, there's like, it just, I don't know.
Like, I definitely see the way the autistic men are treated.
I'm like, oh, shit, that could have been a good idea.
It's rough out there for.
Look, men with any sort of physical disability or disfigurement or detectable neurodivergence are rarely treated with any measure of interest.
But that's not so for most women.
Like, a woman in a wheelchair could.
Oh my God.
Is that in the perfect?
Is that in the appropriate?
She could.
What's it called when you scoot in a wheelchair?
Pedal.
Could run not run circles around men.
Is that just cancel?
Am I canceled?
They call that a crippy with a grippy.
What the fuck, bro?
Don't say that shit.
Don't say that shit.
No, but could wheel, a woman in a wheelchair could wheel around a guy who's not in a wheelchair in terms of getting laid.
Wheelchair, Chick, get some new dick every night of the week.
Can she feel it?
I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
Can she feel it, though, if she's paralyzed from the waist down?
She's got, like, let's just say she's like her.
Oh, my mind's coming down.
Okay, okay.
Canceled.
Okay, good times.
Good times.
Look, okay, so you think it's easier for men.
I didn't say easier.
Okay, you think equivalent.
It's equivalent.
When I go home, 100% equivalent.
I know, right?
Yeah.
I mean, like.
Hold on, hold on.
We're almost done.
My rides are getting my riding.
Patience.
Hold on.
Yeah, they're outside their room.
Hold on.
I want to play Secura.
I know.
I want to go home and play Secura.
Have a nice piece of it.
I love Secura.
So what's up?
What's up?
I mean, I would say fairly equivalent.
You know, maybe after listening, I could.
But I think part of the issue is that if it is a little bit more difficult for men to have sex with women, it's partially their own fault because of the standards that they perpetuate onto women.
What?
Yeah, because women are going to be less likely to want to have casual sex because they know they're going to be shamed for it later on.
So, I mean, there are a lot of women that are very, their standards are so high because they're like, I have to add, everybody I have to add has to count.
You think that's the only standard that women has?
No, not at all.
I didn't say that's the only standard that women have, but when we have these podcasts or there's these thousands of podcasts of men being like, oh, well, that body counts disgusting.
Oh, that's disgusting.
Women are going to be less inclined to open up and want to have casual sex unless the man that they're talking to is like top tier, like 100% their body's going to be worth adding to their account because they know they're going to get shamed for it later.
Wait, so.
I think women would be more inclined to have casual sex if men weren't so critical.
Oh, so you're arguing on our side now?
Now you're saying that I still believe it.
I said if it's slightly more difficult for them, I would say that that would potentially be.
Well, I mean, couldn't it be the case that in general, women are more picky and more selective and have higher standards?
I mean, not necessarily.
I mean, there's, again, evolutionary and biological reasons for this.
I do feel like a lot of guys will sleep with anything.
Yeah, men will sleep down.
But like, you could say, for example, they've done studies on this, or they've released the data from dating apps.
Women swipe no on like the vast majority of men, and women will frequently rank, say, women find like 80 to 90% of men as unattractive.
Here, I mean, we could go around the table.
What percentage of men do you find attractive?
It's so true.
I do not find it takes me forever to find an attractive guy, like literally every two and a half.
But you just said you like guys who are kind of frumpy or whatever.
Yeah, but like to find one where I'm just like, oh my gosh, like for me to really like somebody.
You want to find a frumpy, hot, ugly guy?
Yeah, I love ugly.
Yes, ugly, hot dudes are a thing.
Hot, ugly dudes are a thing.
Well, it's like the medium-ugly standard that women talk about all the time.
They're like, oh, I love medium-ugly guys.
Yeah.
That's pretty good.
Like, that's a thing that women are like, I love a medium-ugly guy.
I also, I don't, physical looks have never been that big of a proponent to me personally.
Have you dated a guy shorter than you?
I have dated men shorter than me, yeah.
Is that your preference?
Is that ideal though?
No, it's definitely not my preference, but I, like I said earlier, looks have never been a really high proponent to me.
I find people a lot more attractive when I get to know them.
Most people that I find like physically attractive off-rip, I generally end up not liking.
People become more attractive to me as I get to know them and get to know their good qualities.
Okay.
All right.
Well, we have Alarez here.
Alpha men don't call themselves alpha men, yet 50% of men call themselves alpha men.
And I guess 50% of men aren't alpha men.
I don't know if they done a study on the frequency with which men call themselves alphas.
I've never heard of that.
I just, I don't know if I'm going to be able to like this idea that it's equivalent, equivalent, it just boggles my mind that I you know what will make you feel better?
Food.
Yeah, we're gonna be a little bit more.
I'm rather tired too.
I wish I could argue about this all night.
Let's wrap it up.
We'll do this part too.
I feel like we can definitely explain.
Oh, yeah.
We should do a muck thing.
Microsoft came up.
We have the microphone phone.
Yeah.
PlayStation.
Last little train of conversation here.
Zip it.
Zip it.
Good.
Okay.
Generally speaking, like, do you ever approach guys?
Yeah.
Well, I used to.
I used to all the time.
Generally speaking, though, like, who has to initiate the first date?
Men or women?
I mean, I mean, like, I think men expect themselves to have to, but I would initiate the first date a lot of times.
If you had to assign a percentage in terms of who's initiating first dates, what would you say?
Would you say it's 50-50?
Like, 50% of the time, women initiate first dates?
Definitely not.
I would definitely say that men are initiating first dates a lot higher than women are.
Is having to initiate something, does that add a level of difficulty to something?
I mean, yeah, but if you're talking about dating and casual sex, those are two very different things.
Well, don't, I mean, isn't that the same thing?
I mean, not really.
Like going on dates and actually pursuing someone is a lot different than going to a bar or going to a club and trying to just like hook up with the first hot piece of action.
Okay, let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
If I go to a bar or a club, right?
And I just stand there, do you think I'm getting approached by any chicks?
Probably not, but I don't.
Okay, so what do I have to do if I want to get laid?
Talk to people.
I have to approach, right?
I mean, a woman would approach you depending on the scenario, but I mean, if you're just standing there awkwardly, I mean, I used to work at a nightclub and I would approach men.
Okay, that's great, but generally speaking, women don't approach men in nightclubs.
I mean, I don't.
Okay, you do.
Congratulations, but like.
I'm not saying just me.
I mean, like, I was a bottle server, and I'd watch it happen all the time.
As a bottle server, you not me.
I'm saying I would witness it in a club setting of women going up to men, probably just to drink from their bottle, but like at the same time that they're still approaching them.
Okay, but here's the difference, right?
You put a guy in the club.
There's a good chance that he's just standing there.
He's not being awkward, but he's just kind of, you know, got a drink at the bar, whatever.
He's just sipping, whatever.
Nobody's coming to talk to him.
You put a girl in that same exact scenario.
Some dude, like, she's getting approached.
You're just mad.
That girls are prettier.
Can I go home?
I'm not mad.
Hold on, hold on.
We're about to go.
You sound jealous.
No, I'm not jealous, but I'm just arguing.
I'm not jealous.
I just want to say, to be fair, that is why they have strip clubs where the dancers will approach the men at the bar and that sort of thing.
So I get what you're saying.
I still think franchise is like, I don't know.
I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying, but I think that shut the fuck up.
Not you, not you.
Her over here.
She's fucking talking about anime and shit.
No, I'm talking about Metal Gear.
That's not anime, bro.
I'm just saying, like, I don't know.
I'm getting to it.
Yeah, yeah.
I think that the last two Metal Gear games weren't as good as the other ones.
I think Metal Gear.
That's a great thought.
Okay, so you get approached in the bar.
I'm calling the Jetstream Sam, though.
Typically, who goes for the first kiss?
Men, usually.
Okay.
So then who tries to maybe move things forward in terms of, oh, you should come over to my place?
Is that going to be the guy or the girl?
Men.
Men are typically.
Okay, what about like moving things forward sexually?
Usually men.
Oh, okay.
So if all these burdens fall on men, what could be done?
It's not a burden if you're trying to get casual sex.
That's you trying to get casual sex from a woman.
If that's a burden, then don't do it.
Okay, it is a burden.
It is a burden because all of these individual steps are potential points of rejection.
So a woman could reject any one of these points.
Okay, so could a man.
Okay, so going up, going up, you know, doing an approach?
Okay, oh my god.
Prometheus.
Yeah, Metal Gear Solid 3.
Okay, we're good.
I mean, that's just simply not true.
Okay, some men who are exceptionally attractive may get approached at a bar.
However, I would argue that an average woman is getting as much attention in terms of the frequency with which she's getting approached as like a really attractive guy.
Because that's just the dynamic between men and women.
Men are the initiators, and women really aren't initiating like that.
Some women do, but it's exceedingly rare.
Can I initiate the going home process?
Shut the fuck up.
Hold on, we're almost done.
We're almost done.
We're almost done.
We're almost look.
15 more minutes?
No, he said 15 minutes ago.
This is cruel and unusual punishment, bro.
Your mom is cruel and unusual.
For real, bro.
She's not creative with it, bro.
Every step of the way, there's multiple, you know, from the approach to asking for the number, texting, planning the first date, whether it's online or in person, going for the first kiss, moving things forward sexually, all these various steps.
These are each, there's like dozens of potential points of rejection that men almost exclusively face.
So just on that basis alone, it's harder for men to get laid than it is for women.
Again, I just, I think that it's kind of like a, I think we're never going to agree on this because I think that it's like fairly equal and I don't think fairly equal.
I do.
And I don't think that men having to actually have conversations with women makes it harder for men to get laid.
I mean, if you're like a halfway decent dude and you just like aren't a dick, you could probably get laid.
Okay, so just be halfway decent dude.
Yeah.
I mean, at a bar, like I've seen some crazy scenarios.
I'm sure everybody else at the table has too.
Let me ask you a question.
How many men have you rejected?
Me?
Oh my God, I have no idea.
Hundreds?
Thousands.
Thousands.
Let's go around the table really quick.
Show of hands.
Have you rejected more than 100 men?
Perhaps.
I've rejected them.
Yeah, I mean, are we talking like men that follow you down the street?
How many dudes have approached you?
How many dudes have slid into your DMs?
If any of you have had dating apps, how many guys have you not like swiped on?
Or how about you matched with, but then just like it didn't work out?
But ultimately, let's say in person and, you know, women reject men more than the reverse.
So on that basis alone, it's harder for men to get laid.
If women reject, if, if, okay, let me put it to you this way.
If you've rejected more men, then have men rejected you simply by virtue of that dynamic, it's harder for men to get laid.
Can I go?
Hold on.
I think you have to agree with me, friends.
Bro, if you want, just go.
Just go if you want to fucking go.
No, Don't be like that, bro.
My mom gets mad when I come late, bro.
She gets hella mad, bro.
Okay, but you don't, you're just being kind of obnoxious about it.
So go.
If you have to go, then go.
Okay, so.
Okay, follow Nev.
Shut up, dude.
Okay, so.
You have the robot on Instagram.
I'm sorry, guys.
My mom just gets mad, bro.
My mom is like the devil, bro.
Like, you don't understand.
That's fine.
If you got to go, excuse yourself, but we don't need you talking about fucking anime and just interrupting and stuff.
Okay.
Okay, so.
I'm not going to keep everybody here.
I'll agree.
Okay.
She needs a seat cushion.
Why don't she have a seat cushion?
Because she's short.
This seems way clumpy up.
Okay.
Okay.
Last thing here.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Oh, my God.
Show of hands here.
Have you rejected more men than you have been rejected by men?
100%.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
So to me, that would indicate that dating is harder for men.
Getting laid is harder for men.
If you reject more men than the reverse, like if you reject more men, then you are getting rejected by men, then that necessarily means that dating and getting laid is harder for men.
I mean, I said like a while ago that it might be slightly more difficult, but like I still don't know.
Not just slightly though.
But I think that.
Slightly.
I mean, I think that though.
I don't think that it's that difficult to approach a woman and have a conversation with them.
It's a very privileged position to say it's really not that difficult to approach women and get laid.
It's really not that difficult when you don't need to approach, you don't need to approach men to get laid because you can just pick from all the men that are coming to you.
Some of the times they're kind of not that cute.
Yeah, but you at least have a pool of options that are coming to you.
But that only reinforces my point that it's harder if there's all these men that you don't want that would otherwise happily sleep with you, it's harder for men to get laid.
Okay.
But this idea that it's only slightly harder, like, I don't think you underestimate that.
Yes, I agree with you.
You underestimate.
Like, any single girl here at this table could walk into a club, walk up to a guy, and just be like, hey, do you want to fuck?
Honestly, that's a good idea.
A guy could not do that.
A guy could not go up to a chick straight up, hey, do you want to fuck?
It's not, it's not going to happen.
But why do you want to?
Watch.
Hold on, hold on.
Let's see.
Amy, do you want to fuck tonight?
Are you down to hookup tonight?
Oh, saved by the fucking TTS.
Prometheus donated $100.
Reality says it is difficult for men to approach women at bars or clubs.
Last chat, I promise.
Thank you.
Thank you, Prometheus.
I said no.
Essie, would you like to hook up tonight?
No.
I'm sorry.
Whoa, what's hold on?
Willing.
I'm willing here, but I've just been rejected by two women at the station.
Oh, the horror.
I'm deeply hurt.
I'm heartbroken.
It is tough.
Must be hard on that.
Should I keep asking all the other girls?
No, no, no.
Who's in a relationship?
Okay.
Celibate, so that's a no-go.
See, look, it's just harder for dudes.
It's harder for dudes.
You made your point.
Okay, we're going to wrap.
We are going to wrap.
Okay, guys, thank you so much for tuning in tonight.
Oh, wait, let me just double-check if we.
So, what is the after-hours thing?
We just dimmed the lights and dropped it.
If you guys want to hear this story, we're going to do it in like two minutes because I'm tired as freak.
Okay, guys, last call.
Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
Nick, can you pull up the Twitch really quick?
Let's get people twitch.tv/slash/whatever.
Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
What the?
Oh, the Patrice.
Do we do the Patrice?
If it's quick.
It's quick.
Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow.
Drop us a prime sub.
Drop us a prime sub, yep.
Twitch.tv slash whatever.
Thank you for tuning in tonight, guys.
Do we do the Patrice or do we just go to the next one?
What is that?
Let's just fucking.
What is that?
It's a video.
Oh, nah.
Yeah, let's fuck it.
Let's do it.
Okay, pull up the Patrice clip.
That's it.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
What?
Aww.
Okay.
You got it?
All right.
Here's a question.
Here's a question.
Here's a serious question.
Pay attention, guys.
Pay attention.
Okay, ladies, if you didn't have a vagina.
Like, say it was a terrible train accident, right?
And the doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away.
Or you're going to die.
How would you keep your man past, you get a two-month guilty, I can't leave the bitch right away because you just lost a pussy in a train accident.
Can't just walk right out on him.
How would you keep your man past that if you didn't have a vagina?
Pause it.
What about you?
About you?
Anal.
Yeah, I was going to say, we got other holes.
I don't know.
I'm tired and my brain can't think right now.
You got this.
Dude, I don't know.
What would you?
That's so weird.
I am a nurturer.
I am a caregiver.
I'm a pro, not a provider.
Oops.
That's it.
What about you?
BJs.
I agree.
I also concur.
Yeah, the other holes.
They can invert a penis on a trans her Jamaica.
Why you gotta own that?
Well, hey, if they can do that for a man, then I'm sure they can fix me right up if that were a big case.
I'm not too worried about that.
There's no reason why our vaginas wouldn't just be gone.
Science.
That's how we pee.
Science is crazy nowadays, Brian.
We really probably would no longer be wondering.
What she said, and I'd be a really good wife.
Wait, what did she say?
I think you said BJs.
Yeah, BJs.
Okay.
All right.
Okay, those are some answers there.
Go ahead.
More?
Wow.
Nothing?
You can talk.
You can talk.
Move the cursor.
Nick.
Suck his dick.
Okay.
Mouth.
Asshole.
Okay, great.
Do you see what I'm saying?
Now, I've been getting pussy beam the whole show, right?
But I give women an opportunity to say, I want to make myself worth more.
But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
But, but, you know, I'm.
I'm supposed to teach you special, but you're just a bunch of holes to yourself.
No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play pool, tell better stories, get another bitch that got a pussy to come on in.
Well, look, whatever.
Do you guys have a response?
I was the only one who didn't say.
First of all, that's obviously a joke, so it's meant to be taken as a joke because let's be realistic.
A man is not going to stay with you if he's not having sex with you.
For real.
I wouldn't say that.
Disavow.
He's not having sex with you.
Disavow.
Essie, if you lost in a terrible train accident and we were married and we had kids.
If I lost all my holes, you would still be with me.
Well, no, no.
Exactly.
He said one hole.
He said the pussy.
Yeah, so we offered other holes, and then he said, oh, yeah, that wasn't good enough.
It had to be Xbox.
But, you know.
What was the question?
Does anybody have any other further notes on that?
Okay.
All right.
You guys did fall for the.
You guys all fell for it, though.
Yeah.
He got you.
He got you.
One in the morning.
All right, guys.
Thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
We will be doing a very brief after-show with, I think most of you have to take off, but you two are sticking around.
I think you guys have to take off, though.
Is that correct?
Am I right?
You underscore idea donated $99.
I've had sex with between 75 and 100 greater-than-average women.
Grew up being called hot by both male friends and females I date.
I make $200,000 a year.
Zero of the women I've had sex with were as fat or unattractive as the two arguing.
It's still easier for them to get sex.
I mean, if you're averaging 75 to 100, I don't really think that it's been that difficult for you, my boy.
Also, I don't really care about your opinion.
Yeah, nobody really cares, to be honest, except Brian.
I know.
I mean, okay, all right.
Well, thank you there.
I think we can all come to an agreement here that it is, in fact, harder for men to get laid.
Okay, all right.
Thank you to everyone who super doubts, donates and supports the show.
Thank you to the panel.
Thank you.
Thank you to the wonderful panel for I know we went late here tonight, so appreciate your guys' patience.
We will be doing an after-show.
Thank you to all our chat mods.
Thank you.
Big thank you to Britt, who's helping with timestamps.
Any women who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
Any women with larger lab IDMs are open.
We will be live again Sunday.
Wait, no, excuse me.
Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
Guys, we'll see you next time.
Good night, guys.
And the after-show begins.
07's in the chat.
The after-show begins.
Bye.
Boom.
Okay, if anybody needs to go.
Bye.
And then we just hear our.
Do you guys want to take this?
So is it like a new recording?
No, it's still.
It's still on.
Hi, guys.
Hello.
You asked if we could, like, move this way.
Hi, guys, girl, at 1 a.m.?
Tackle bed.
And we're against the little.
Camera is not on us, though.
It is not on us.
Hello.
Wait, did we go?
Do we stop?
Okay.
All right, guys.
So we're just going to listen.
We're going to put this out there, which I usually would not want to put any type of like private business public.
But this was something that was brought all over Twitter, something that was made a spectacle of.
And it's kind of old news in the sense that like Xena and Sneeko broke up, but there was a whole issue with a girl, Lauren De Lagrina is her name, right?
Where she was essentially saying that due to this lady here and what she witnessed with her eyeballs from this lady here, she was able to definitely, definitively say that number one, Xena wasn't happy and number two, Sneeko was an abuser.
So what I found very interesting after speaking to her very briefly is that, I mean, Sneaker maybe flirted with you a little bit, right?
I didn't even really take it as that, to be honest.
So basically, I was on the Fresh and Fit podcast with Zerka, Sneeko, and Xena had invited me on the show.
And I was on there with Lauren.
That was my first time ever meeting her.
Super sweet girl.
She lives pretty close to me in Orange County.
And basically during the show, I was over on like the little couch area.
So I couldn't even really see Sneeko during it.
I saw Zirka.
He was talking the whole time, whatever.
That's hard to miss.
Yeah, pretty hard to miss.
And afterwards, a big group of us had gone to sushi.
And so when we were at sushi, there was like an open spot next to Sneeko, like right across from him.
And so he started speaking to me.
He ordered me some sushi.
And basically, he was asking me if I wanted to be on his stream.
And so Xena, when she told me to come on the podcast, had already mentioned that to me.
Would you like to be on some like big streamers streams like Gebbie promo, blah, blah, blah.
Right, right.
And I know streamers, like, they want like girls to be on there, you know, for more views and stuff.
So I took it as like a business thing.
And I was like, yeah, I might be down.
And then so when he brought it up, I was like, oh, you're the guy she was talking about.
Right, two and two were clicking.
You were like, okay, let's go.
No idea that they had any sort of relationship.
You know, I was just sitting there making conversation.
Right.
And so Lauren was supposed to give me a ride home.
She had offered to drive me home and my friend home who I was staying with, but she just got kicked off the show.
So she felt awkward eating sushi with everyone.
So Lauren ended up driving her home and then coming back to take me home.
And basically, Sneeko was like, do you need a ride home?
And I was like, well, you know, like she was going to take me.
And Lauren was looking at me like, go with him, go with him.
And so I was like, okay, I don't really care.
It's three minutes down the street.
Like, what does it matter?
You know, like, maybe this is like a good person to know.
Like, I work in social media.
I do YouTube.
We were talking about my channel.
All business stuff.
Like, I really didn't think of it as more than that.
And I'm not even sure it was.
Yeah.
And so then I was like, okay, like, we were ready to leave.
I was like, I have to use the restroom.
He waited for me to use the restroom.
And during this time, and see, I don't like, know if I'm saying too much.
Like, I don't know.
No, you're not.
You're not.
You're not as much.
This is just the truth.
This is literally just exactly what happened.
Right.
And everyone's been waiting for you because we've heard everything from Lauren.
We've heard everything from other people sharing their stuff and wanting to have a say.
Yet we've never heard it from the horse's mouth, which is why this is so important that you actually say this right now.
I think it's very important to let the truth come to life.
Yeah, and so when I was sitting there, like right after he'd asked, do I need to ride home?
And then I went to the restroom.
I was like checking my Instagram and Xena was messaging me and she was like, you're my friend.
Like she was like mad at me or something.
And I was like, what is she talking about?
Like, I don't understand.
And basically like right before this had happened, like she had like left the restaurant and I think she was crying.
She was upset.
I didn't really know what was going on.
I had no idea that had anything to do with Sneeko.
And so like two and two did not click when she had DM'd me, whatever.
I was just like, okay, you know, what is she talking about?
And before the show started, she had asked my friend and I, who got kicked off, if we could mention that like she put us on the podcast.
But there was like 15 girls on the panel.
I honestly forgot when I was introducing myself.
So I was like, oh, is she upset that like I didn't like shout her out or something?
Like I didn't know.
No, no, no.
It's just that there were promoters.
So that's kind of just like the standard fit thing.
It wasn't anything else.
So when she was like, oh, I thought you were my friend or like, you're my friend.
Yeah.
I didn't know that was like her man, you know, and I literally did not take it more as like a ride home.
And she had, she was the one who told me about his stream and everything.
And so.
Thanks for coming.
Hi.
I appreciate it.
And so, yeah.
And then also I was thinking like, oh, maybe when he invited me to be on the stream, I wasn't like clarifying, oh, Zena told me about this.
Like, I didn't know.
Like, I was like, that's the only reason I could think she'd be like upset in any way.
So I was confused.
And then I almost like wanted to ask Sneeko when we were going to get in his car for him to drive me home because I didn't really know her that well.
Like this is my first time meeting both of them.
But I just kind of like brushed it off for a sec and I was like, okay, I guess I'll like write her back when I get home.
I have no idea like why she's upset or like what this is about.
Like it was unclear.
So then Sneeko's waiting for me outside the bathroom.
I get out and then I walk out with him and Zena's like she's sitting on the back of someone's truck and she's clearly upset.
Like I think she had been crying, whatever.
And I go to give her a hug goodbye and I was like, thank you so much for having me on the show.
You know, it was so great meeting you, blah, blah, blah.
And she was like, that's my boyfriend.
And I was like, oh my God.
Okay.
I'm not going to let him give me a ride home then.
Like clearly you're upset.
Like I don't know what's going on.
And then basically Lauren was there because, you know, she was going to give me a ride home first.
She was waiting.
Yeah, she was kind of like lingering basically.
And so then Lauren was like, oh my God, blah, blah, blah.
And then Sneeko had like walked ahead of me and he was like waiting for me by his car.
And then so from like across the way, I didn't get in his car.
I wasn't even near his car.
I was like, hey, I'm sorry.
Like I'm going to let her give me a ride.
And I think he could tell it was because Xena was upset.
Like she had clearly said something to me, which she didn't say much.
I was just like, I'm a girl's girl.
Like if there's any amount of like uncomfortability, like he doesn't need to get me a ride.
Like it's not that big of a deal.
I could literally uber if I needed to.
And so I basically didn't get in the car.
He did not give me a ride.
That was that.
And then Lauren took me home as well as like another girl.
And then when we were leaving, like she tried to get Xena to come in the car because she was upset.
And Zena was just kind of like, I need my space.
Like, I'm fine.
Like, I'm just having a moment.
I'm good.
Yeah.
Like, you know, I don't really think they knew each other.
And then I got dropped off.
And then from there, whatever had happened with Xena and Lauren, if they had hung out, talked, whatever, I have no idea.
Zina did message me afterwards saying, sorry, apologizing.
She was like, you know, I was just being emotional.
You did nothing wrong.
I think it's a really good business opportunity.
You honestly should go on Sneeko's stream, blah, blah, blah.
And, you know, I'm starting to realize like who Zerka and Sneeko are in the whole space and everything.
And I'm like, okay, yeah, but like, I didn't know if it was going to be drama.
So I ended up just basically not doing it regardless, even though she gave me the okay.
Right.
And then a couple weeks go by or whatever.
And then all this stuff starts breaking out on Twitter saying that.
And I mean, I think, sounds like she would know more than me at this point because she was actually responding to the tweets.
Zena did message me and she was like, will you say something?
But I didn't want to be put in the middle because like Lauren lives near me and like she was really nice to me.
And like, I didn't know what happened after I had left, you know, but allegedly she was saying that like she had to pull me out of the car.
She said she, girl, she said she dragged you out of the car.
Yeah, I never got in his car.
Something along those lines.
And was literally saying that like that whole incident was a clear reflection of the fact that it was an abusive relationship, this, that, and the other.
And, you know, ultimately, like, my perception of the whole thing, and I could be entirely wrong.
In fact, Lauren and I, we're going to debate on this.
We're going to go on a public podcast and have a conversation.
Yeah, but I literally think number one, inserting yourself in people's personal business is like, what's your incentive?
What's your motive, number one?
But then, number two, at the end of the day, all the stuff that she was claiming is reaching.
Like, she was really fucking reaching with all that at the end of the day.
Because, number one, you said you aren't 100% sure that Sneaker was even hitting on you.
I did take it like that.
It could have been construed like that.
Number two, you did not get dragged out of the car.
And number three, there wasn't anything about Sneaker or Xena's relationship you construed as abusive at the time, right?
I didn't even know they were in a relationship.
Exactly.
So, and I mean, he bought me a sushi and he was nice to me and offered me a ride.
But, like, to me, you know, I would be doing something to help him on his stream get married, like be a hog.
And also, they're in an open relationship, so it's fun.
Yeah.
And also, being from LA, I feel like a lot of things are like, you know, people have their benefits.
And, like, am I a party to this gossiping?
Yeah, too.
Am I going to get in trouble for platforming this conversation?
I don't know.
But, okay, let's.
So, did you guys kind of do that?
Okay, all right.
So, a couple questions here for the after show, and then we're going to try to wrap it up.
What did your comments say?
My down, dude, my downstory.
Actually, I'm not going to talk about that.
Okay, so what was I going to say?
Amy, co-host for whatever?
Sure, bring me up.
Let's down.
Yeah.
I thought you were fucking.
I will move to California to be a co-host for whatever.
Hair hairs.
I hate this state.
It is the devil, but let's go.
Do you hate California?
Yeah, I mean, it's worth it.
You're in Florida, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Opposite, like, political ideology.
Yo, chat, do you think she should be co-host?
Y'all think I got what it takes?
I don't know.
I thought you were good.
They really hate my accent a lot of the time.
I like it.
I like Australian accents.
They really, they be roasting me about my accent, like majority of the time.
Not gonna lie.
I think Australian accents are cool.
But they make fun of me because I've been living here for like close to six years now.
So it's kind of like a watered-down Australian accent that they don't like.
I don't know.
There's a couple times when you were like arguing with the as and then I'm not.
I can't, dude.
I cannot pronounce people's names.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was like, and you were fucking cooking.
Oh, yeah.
You were.
I like to debate, bro.
And you got heated too, which I was like, she called you a bitch.
It's okay.
It's okay.
People can say whatever they want.
It was amusing.
But yeah, that was the Xena Lauren Sneeko drama.
I know.
And a lot of people, like, that was a nothing burger, I know.
But for those who know, if y'all know, if you know, you know.
It was like blown up on Twitter.
Like, I dragged the OF girl.
I didn't even have a name.
I was the OF girl out of the car, and he was abusive.
I'm going to do a poll.
I'm going to do a poll to see if we should have Amy.
Okay.
This is going to be a YouTube poll.
Should.
Oops.
Someone said Xena falsely accusing Sneeko.
I don't know what she's accusing him of, but.
Be co-host.
Should Amy be co-host?
Okay, we'll say yes, no.
Okay, there's a poll up.
Let's see what you guys have to say.
Don't vote for yourself.
That's how much time.
I'm not even on there.
How many texts?
I need a co-host, guys.
I need a co-host for this.
Happened to the, you had the Christian guy, right?
Oh, he doesn't want to do it.
He doesn't want to.
I've offered.
I've offered.
He got too hot.
I mean, there's a lot to it, but the offer was put out multiple times.
All right.
He didn't want to do it.
I feel like there isn't any show.
With like a male, female co-host, really, in this space.
It would be pretty cool.
Yeah, you've got some strictly males, and then you've got one girl who's doing some stuff.
And then like a tag team, guy and girl, could be a good dynamic.
And you were fucking debating pretty well with them.
Yeah, so I went to law school originally.
I was going to be a lawyer.
I've done hiking sales for the last several years.
So yeah, debating and taking is like my thing.
Hell yeah.
That's awesome.
Yes, sir.
That's what I do.
Honestly, I'm trying to move out of sales and move into broadcasting.
Are you liquored up?
Are you liquored up?
I've had a lot of people.
I got some alcohol on your.
Barely.
It's like one of those half a percentage vodka things.
It's like one of those half a percentage pre-made vodka drinks.
It's nothing.
Let's see.
They're saying 84% yes and about 500 votes.
83% yes.
So there is that.
But yeah, I think, well, one thing that could be beneficial if I did have a female co-host is like they can't, it's not so easy to dismiss like a woman making the arguments because you could like you could just say to a guy, oh, you're a misogynist or you're like, but it's really hard to, like, I suppose people are still going to throw that label on you,
but it's a little harder to make these sort of baseless accusations of either misogyny or sexism when you yourself are a woman.
And so yeah, I would agree, especially when you could back it up.
I mean, there's certainly some women in this space who just kind of regurgitate stuff they hear from men and they get clapped for it.
But if you're able to back it up with a little bit of psychology and real life experiences, it's a little bit different, I would say.
Yeah, so good times.
Okay, well, I mean, are you sticking around California for a little bit?
Are you heading back?
I am heading back fairly soon.
But hey, if you need me to come back, sir, yes, we have a show.
Oh, tomorrow.
Okay, I was going to say we have a show on Tuesday.
I was just on Michael's shirt, too.
I was like, damn, I could have come down with you at the same time.
We could have been on whatever.
Yeah, Mike's coming on.
Oh, yeah, guys, Mike Sartain is coming on Tuesday, so that's going to be a good show.
I've learned a lot from him.
Him and Roller is very, very sharp.
Very knowledgeable.
I just need to check a couple things here.
Amy's going to be the new fresh, someone just said.
I don't know.
A lot of people say that shit about me.
So maybe you're going to be Myra and then I'll be fresh.
I'll just be, I'll be the.
I feel like I would play better as a good cop.
Right.
Oh, yeah.
I'm pretty good at bad cops, so that would work.
I think it'd be easier for you to be bad cop, but I feel, I don't know, I feel like I'm too, I'm kind of more on the agreeable side.
Like, I don't know.
You're good at asking questions to bring people to the logical conclusion versus being like, hey, you're being a hoe right now.
I'll just tell them that they're being a her.
It's fine.
Okay, there you go.
Yeah, I mean, I try to keep everything, you know, polite with everybody.
No, it's great.
Like, you, you literally ask questions until they say the point that you're trying to make anyway.
You're pretty good at that.
I'm okay.
I'm okay.
I'm all right.
I, you know, sometimes I fumble.
Hey, the people asking the most questions win.
Ner.
Wait, what's like some of the most Australian shit that you could say?
Honestly, it's all like faded, but the biggest one is just no.
People absolutely love the way I say no.
In fact, I think I'm going to make merch at this point.
Because anytime I go on any show, everyone's just like, no, no, It's like the only thing they really want to say.
So that's probably like the number one thing, I would say.
Yeah.
I'm going to make our ner merch.
Oh, no.
First we need to get a formalized consensus of how to spell no in Australian.
Pretty sure it's N-A-U-R or N-U-R-R.
I don't know.
You guys let me know.
Not 100%.
Nah.
Is it true the toilets flush the opposite way?
They do.
Wow, that's so cool.
Yes, sir.
I think that's why I want to go to Australia.
Just because of the toilets?
Just to see the toilets.
Once in my life.
And it's on the other side of the road as well.
So that's why I don't drive.
You don't.
I don't have to drive because when I first moved here, I was 22 years old and it's literally the other side of the road.
Wow.
You don't drive?
No, I don't know how.
I don't know how to operate.
Are you 27?
I'm 28 next month, too.
Yeah.
28.
It's all that.
I know.
From that 28.
I know.
My sexual market value is.
Oh, my God.
By the minute, guys.
Find me a husband, ASAP.
Are you Christian?
Are you religious?
I'm Christian.
Yeah, I'm a cussing Christian.
A what?
Cussing Christian.
You're a cussing Christian.
So you like to curse a Christian?
I'm a little rough around the edges, but I'm Christian.
You curse like a sailor.
I believe in Christ's resurrection.
Okay.
Yes, sir.
Interesting.
Okay.
I read the Bible.
Not every day, but I try to read it frequently.
Are you waiting until marriage like Naomi, who was sitting in that chair?
I wouldn't say no.
I wouldn't say that I'm a born-again virgin, but I will say that the next guy I date, I would very much say, like him to be my husband.
That would be nice.
Doesn't everybody say that, though?
Yeah, I know.
But like, I'm taking that pretty seriously.
Yeah, I don't have sex outside of relationships.
There's been like two instances where that's happened.
Yeah.
Haram.
I'm too slow.
Fuck it.
Too slow.
Fuck.
Yeah, that was a long show.
It was a good show.
How long was that, Brian?
Well, we're at six hours and ten minutes right now.
Wow.
Is that a record?
No, it's not a record, but it's pretty fucking late.
Even thinking about doing like five hours was a lot.
The longest I've ever done is three on Toronto.
Allie, can you just scoot that microphone, that one?
Just like scoot it that way.
Yeah, it was kind of blocked.
Oh, so I can tell that you're like kind of OCD.
Is that like an actual thing or just with the show?
I'm a little OCD.
I guess you're not.
What's your song?
I'm actually a little OCD.
Like I like things to be kind of like as such.
Yes.
Are you a Virgo?
Taurus.
Okay, okay.
But oh, fuck.
That's what I wanted to talk about.
The girls before the show were like really getting heavy into astrology shit.
Like, oh, my Jupiter rising.
And I really wanted to talk about that.
But sadly, I forgot.
About what?
Talking horrible.
Talking about that.
Real or not real?
i don't buy that ali you were like staring at me super intensely during the has anyone ever told you you have like very intense I do.
I'm a Scorpio.
I have like an intense stare.
Eyes.
Also, like, I was zoning out a couple times.
Oh, so you're just looking at me and zoned out?
One time you caught me doing that, I was totally like zoning out.
So I was just like seeing nothing, but I was looking at you.
I zoned out once as well.
I can get used to the length of these podcasts.
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
I don't want to make a habit.
I don't want to make a habit of having these ridiculously long shows.
But recently the shows have been fucking long.
And like.
If it's good, right?
And it's flowing, then there's no reason to cut it short.
But when five out of, like, ten girls on your show would say, Brian.
I know, but, like, she's being, like.
She would be great.
She was giving you a lot to work with.
There's been very few girls who have come on the show.
Like a lot of girls will be like, I think dating, the difficulty with dating is about the same, which I disagree with.
But like to say that it's harder for, or it's about the same when it comes to getting laid, to me is like So ridiculous.
Like, you can, I think you can make much stronger arguments about, well, it's about equal in terms of difficulty or frustration when it comes to dating.
But when it comes strictly to the ability to get laid, to me, that's like so obviously not true that like, really?
I'm gonna like, I just want to argue with you at that point, like, just continually argue.
So, and we had a lot of super chats tonight.
Like, I was gonna say that, like, people were giving you the love.
Oh, nice.
Which, which I don't want people to think I'm like, not what's the word, like, not grateful for the patronage.
I absolutely am.
But, you know, the shows went like in a lot of the super chats and the TTSs were asking questions.
You know, like, I'm not the type of guy that wants to just like glance over the super chats.
I do like to try to provide, like, actually, you know, read the whole thing and not just read it, but also, hey, they ask a question.
Let's ask the entire panel.
And then the conversational threads, you know, start.
And then, so 20 minutes later, we're like, wait, how do we end up here?
So, um, so yeah, I mean, I'm super grateful for all the patronage, but you know, I think the first like two or three hours, it was like TTS, TTS, TTS, TT, like, which is, thank you guys so much for your patronage, but it is going to probably like the show, yeah.
I wasn't able to get into like a lot of my notes that I had pre-written.
There were three other videos we were going to react to.
I had prepared a couple other things.
We didn't even get into that.
We rushed through a lot of stuff.
So, I think just the convo was naturally flowing.
So, yeah, definitely.
It was a really great show.
Yeah, it was good.
It was good.
So, okay, I love reading the comments.
I know.
I try not to read them while I'm like on this show.
Thank you.
It's so distracting.
I can't help it.
It's like my favorite part.
Yeah.
I almost wonder if we should.
Okay, Ruby, Brian, you have lost 70% of your live viewers.
You used to.
Oh, you moved it away while I was reading it, but it's all good.
I don't know, whatever.
But she said, I used to get 30K, now I'm getting 3K.
First off, we've never had 30K.
We had 24K with Destiny, right?
With the Destiny stream, which I, that was like a specifically assembled fucking super panel where we had Destiny, his wife.
There were the two feminist girls that weren't like, whatever.
We had, we had, yeah, we had him, we had Chase, we had John Doyle, we had Mary from Timcast, and we had Nev.
And then we had, and we were just coming off of like some really insane shows.
So like, bro, I'm not, I'm not, like, disappointed that I'm not getting 24K every show when you just, yeah, maybe that was like an exceptional show, right?
Yeah, when you like stack a panel with really big guests, like when we had Michael Knowles on the show, like we like doubled or tripled our previous view count.
Um, when we had Rolo and Mike and Justin Waller, we had fucking about double or triple our normal view count when you like bring on some high ticket with a high, whatever, you know, some high-profile people, like you're gonna have more people tuning in.
The conversation is gonna be much more compelling.
So for sure, because their whole community comes over as well.
It's not only your community, it's their community.
Yeah.
But we also, I mean, to be fair, like there's been a little decline in the average viewer count.
That's partially because I took like a month off.
And then we've, we had like, I think another thing that kind of fucked things up over is we had like a group of OnlyFans girls that showed up and I'm not going to get into it, but basically they showed up.
They sabotaged.
They sort of sabotaged them.
They do.
Do they flash themselves?
No, but like we basically ended up not having a show.
And then like just little things like that are kind of gonna, and then we've had like a couple technical issues, like some issues with the stream and then.
Yeah, well, no, even that in our recent startup episodes.
Also, the panels have been a bit more tame.
So I think like it's been a little less engaging.
And I haven't really, like the past six, seven shows, I haven't really booked like anyone super notable in the same way.
Like, bro, okay.
Gorlock, the Gorlock episode was huge.
And then like, I mean, it is what it is.
I took a month off.
It's going to take a bit of time to build back up.
That's annoying.
Yeah, you know, you have ebb and flow when it comes to viewership.
It's part of the, you know, it's part of the hustle.
Okay.
Let me just read these little small ones and then we'll get out of here.
Angry Casper, thank you, man.
Actually, can you read it?
I'm getting parched.
Were W guy failed?
Test for Amy.
Who is Aaron Pizzy?
Who is Terrence Pop?
Not sure.
Okay, Angry Casper.
Thank you for the New Zealand.
I know who Erin Pizzy is.
She's like one of the, I think she was in the UK.
She's one of the first women, or well, she opened up the first male domestic violence shelter from she used to be a feminist, but then she got like ostracized because she wanted to open up a shelter for men.
Okay.
Okay.
Shout out to you.
Yo, Major Payne, Australian 10.
Thank you, man.
and nominate myself as tribute for what?
What do you do?
He said it again, Amy.
I'll nominate myself as tribute.
Only problem is I am in Perth.
Oh, for romantically, I guess?
I don't know.
Oogabooga.
Amy is a smart girl.
Don't judge on past.
What's your past?
Whoever wins her heart is a lucky man?
I don't know.
I've been on Fresh and Fit a bunch.
And since I went on Fresh and Fit from the very first time, there were people saying like, oh, I know Amy.
She used a guy for a green card.
But I just debunked it recently on my YouTube.
I posted up receipts of me paying for my own green card like last year.
It's still not even fully in.
I'm on an adjusted set.
My green card comes in in October, but I left my ex-husband before our green card was ever finalized because the marriage was not going to work.
I think that's what they may be.
I'm not sure if I can do it.
I am.
I think that's what they maybe are referring to, but I cannot say for sure.
I cannot say for sure.
All right, we have Major Payne here.
Amy, I'll nominate myself as tribute.
Only problem is I'm in Perth.
Okay.
Okay.
You're in Florida, though, aren't you?
I am.
Miami, Florida.
That's for now.
Good times.
You're moving here to become the co-host of whatever podcast.
Avenger the Offender may have to up the TTS to 150.
Yeah, maybe.
I mean, previously when our view count was a little higher, we had Super Chat read like 100 and TTS 200.
But I wanted to lower that back down a little bit, so I lowered it to 50 to read, 100 for TTS.
You could argue like when you bring on someone like Bangs who's going to like, you know, make for like a really entertaining show, maybe you boost it up a bit.
But I think it was appropriate.
The TTS was very frequent, though.
So you could actually make an argument tonight that it was too low.
But in any case, I'm still very grateful for the people who so generously, you know, spend their money and are patrons of the podcast.
And it's very, it means the world because we're, like I said, demonetized, ad revenue is not great.
And, you know, a lot, you know, we do have a controversial show, so it's hard to get sponsorships.
And yeah, so really, I really appreciate everybody that is super chatting and supporting in whatever way you are.
Whether that's just even watching the show, you know, so Terrence Pop saved 526 men from canceling out so far.
Oh, from deleting themselves.
I don't know.
I've never heard that name, but I'll take a look at it.
Thank you, Casper.
Appreciate it, man.
Okay, any final thoughts from you guys before we wrap it up here?
For the person asking what my YouTube channel is, just search by name, Amy Dangerfield, and you'll be able to find me.
My YouTube channel is AllieHardesty.
There we go.
And yeah, just thank you so much, Brian.
This was awesome.
My brain is melted, but this was fun.
Yes, thank you for coming.
I know we, like I said, I know, what's up?
You got some more super chats coming up.
Okay, got it.
I'll read those.
Yeah, I'm glad we were finally able to get you guys on the show.
Yeah, thank you for having us.
This was really fun.
Yeah, thank you guys for coming.
Really appreciate it.
And like I said, I know we went late, but yeah.
Bender the Founder, you could also do it on a per-show basis.
What do you mean?
Just like bump it up sometimes type of thing.
Yeah.
Offer big guests.
Yeah, we've done, I mean, we did that like when we had, I mean, when we have some like big guests coming on, we're like, okay, if the TTS is too low, it's just going to fucking interrupt way too frequently.
Like, and if I have like a guest who, like when I had Michael Knowles on, I was like, okay, I forgot what we said it to for the Knowles show, but I was like, look, this guy, he's, I don't want, I want to try to limit how frequently the TTS interrupts Michael Knowles because I want him to have like a good flow.
And if it's just too frequent, you know.
I mean, that's the case for anybody, but Bangs was not entertaining.
She argues in bad faith.
Alvin Sim.
The Michael Knowles episode was awesome.
That was one of my favorites.
I should have asked, one of the things I forgot to ask was, would the girls date somebody who culturally appropriated?
That would have been a good conversation.
Who culturally appropriated?
Do you know cultural appropriation?
So is that like when people say that girls who get like braids is them being like racist?
Or a guy who has dreadlocks that's culturally appropriating.
Well, I mean, yeah, all of that's a little bit ridiculous.
But basically, like the kind of thought process I had with that is like, well, Michael Knowles isn't really like, doesn't really talk about dating much.
He's a conservative is pundit the right word?
Conservative.
Pundit.
Pundit.
Commentative.
Pundit, yes.
He's a conservative political commentator.
And I was like, okay, well, how can I kind of weave in these?
So I was like, well, okay, I asked the girls, would you ever date a conservative?
Would you date a guy who's pro-life?
Would you ever date a guy who owns a firearm?
These sorts of things.
So I was like, would you ever date a guy who culturally appropriated?
That would have been good.
Unfortunately, maybe next time.
Maybe next time.
Maybe next time.
We're going to try to get some more of the Daily Wire people on the show.
It's in the works.
I'm going to get Brett Creeper on.
She'd be funny.
Yeah, I need to.
Oh, yeah.
I need to follow up because there's been some back and forth with, I think they're producer.
So I'm going to follow up.
She loves your podcast.
She does commentary on your podcast all the time.
I almost wonder if I've fallen out of favor, though, with some of the conservative outlets.
I think just in general, Red Pill, Proto-Corporate, Red Pill podcasts have kind of like a bad name right now.
Probably not your podcast per se.
Maybe that blanket category.
Yeah, there's been a lot of, there's been, like, we, there's a period in time where, like, everybody had, everyone was like, yeah, I fuck with the whatever podcast.
Like, people, like, really had our back, but then we, like, you know, started getting a little bigger.
And then there's some more eyeballs on us.
And there's been, like, hit pieces written and in magazine, like, New York Post did a hit piece.
There's been a lot of YouTube, a lot of YouTubers have done like essay type, you know, essayist type videos.
Right.
I'm trying to, I can't remember their.
Hey, it's good though.
I feel like when you're doing that, you know, you're getting a little, you can't reach like a really high level without people criticizing you.
It just really shows you're onto the right thing here, in my opinion.
Yeah, there's been a lot of criticism lately.
So I'm almost like.
I saw the New York, the New York, was it New York Post, New York Times?
Yeah, there's vice.
Disturbing new habit of disturbing new trends.
Making women look stupid.
It's like, no, honey, they formulate their own answers.
They make themselves look very stupid via the words that come out of their mouth.
If they can fix their mouth to say what they say, then they can claim responsibility for it.
But yeah, I mean, Vice, New York Post.
Well, it's Vice.
I mean, what can one expect, right?
Mario G, hey, thank you, man.
Brian, I think you got to make the topics more interesting again.
I thought today was kind of weird topics.
Still love the show, just like that.
Oh, no.
The pH shit was fucking kind of.
Yeah.
That dragged on a little.
Yeah.
Michael Gutierrez, hey, $28, keep it up.
Yo, Michael, thank you so much.
Really appreciate your patronage.
Thank you, man.
But yeah, just coming back to this one.
Yeah, I mean, I had some shit I wanted to react to, but like, the thing is, is I don't want to wait until the last hour of the show to read super chats and TTS.
So I try to like every 30 minutes.
Like, we got into the TTS and super chats pretty quick.
And like, that tends to kind of direct the conversation a little bit.
So sometimes, you know, I wasn't able, like, I had a couple things, specific topics, and we were going to react to three videos.
We weren't able to get to it.
There's some other people had wrote me some pre-show notes.
We weren't able to get to that.
Next time.
Yeah.
I almost want to cancel my flight and stay till Tuesday.
Oh, maybe you.
Yeah.
Actually, are you down?
I mean.
Do it.
I kind of want to.
I think we have space.
I think we have space on the Tuesday show if you're done.
Is the panel full?
Actually, no, we have space, actually.
I think it's a big room.
No, we do have space for the Tuesday show.
Okay, let me see.
Let me see if I've booked a refundable show.
If I've booked a refundable flight, I promise you I will refund it.
I swear to that.
If it's refundable, I will refund that show.
Pinky swear.
It's a pinky swear.
Yeah, let's touch base tomorrow and we can either.
But actually, I think tonight's panel was ever, because I was on a break for a month.
I think it was our best show that we've had since we came back from break.
So that's like out of seven shows I think we've done.
Cool.
Yeah.
Chat, what do you think?
Yo, chat.
Was that the best show since was it the best show?
Was it the best show?
Like, not totally telling me I should say that.
The best show since we've been back.
We were going to have Rolo, but I guess he can't make it, unfortunately.
You want to have him tonight?
No, we were going to have him on Tuesday with Mike.
Oh, okay.
I don't know.
I guess something happened.
So he was on schedule, but he unfortunately wasn't able to make it.
Maybe next time we can have him on.
But they like it.
Yeah, I think they like you.
Yo, wait, one in the chat.
Wait, did we?
Oh, no, we already voted for you to be co-host.
So we got to do one in the chat for.
Okay, one in the chat.
Should Amy come on Tuesday's show?
Do you guys want Amy on Tuesday's show?
Sophia?
I don't know.
I don't know about Sophia.
Why are you guys?
Why?
Why?
Where's Sophia?
She's been on two shows.
I don't know.
They're in love with her, I guess.
Okay, I'm seeing a lot of ones there.
All right, I guess the viewers.
The people have spoken.
All right, we have Tyler here.
Love you, Australia.
You're beautiful, even though you didn't put me over earlier.
You have awesome views.
Oh, thank you.
Put you over earlier?
What does that mean?
He was the 5-7.
I'm so hungry.
Oh.
All right.
Okay, guys.
We're going to wrap up there.
Thank you guys for all the here.
I'll keep it here.
Whoops.
Guys, say goodbye to Kiki over there.
She's been lonely.
She hasn't been at the table for a long time.
I never noticed her knees.
She's been sucking a lot of dick.
What?
Okay.
Have they ever seen her knees?
Because I never knew her knees looked like one day they will see the knees.
Yeah, nah, it's just like it's shitty rubber.
So anyways, her chastity is intact.
Kiki has never been laid with.
Okay.
Okay, okay.
I don't believe it, but.
Okay.
Honestly, like the idea, unless it's like an AI sext.
Oh my God.
That was my thing that I was going to bring up: like AR relationships and like power social relationships.
Next year, though.
Next year.
My brain's melted.
Yeah, it's been a long show.
Okay.
All right, guys.
Oh, it's over six hours.
Oh, coming up on seven.
Okay.
Okay, guys, we're going to wrap up.
Oh, my God.
Okay, the chat is on fire.
Okay.
Guys, thank you for tuning in tonight.
Very much appreciated.
Bye, guys.
Let me see some 07s in the chat.
07s in the chat, guys.
You have to do a salute.
Salute.
Is that how you salute?
What the fuck?
Okay.
Hold on.
Before you.
Guys, Michael Sartain, Tuesday, 7 p.m. Pacific.
We have a very good panel for you.
Gonna be a very good panel.
Be sure to tune in, gentlemen.
We have a good show.
Anyways, guys, good night.
See you next time.
Bye.
Thank you.
Bro, that was like a.
That was like a Heil Hitler you did.
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