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July 17, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Dating Talk #84

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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and where you're from.
Go ahead.
Hi, I'm Brittany Venti.
I'm a YouTuber and I make content that sometimes makes people mad at me, but that's okay.
And yeah, and I have an OnlyFans where you can see pictures of my cats.
Like, literally.
I made in the top 10% doing that.
Nice.
Okay.
The whatever actually has an OnlyFans to onlyfans.com/slash whatever.
And it features Kiki.
So maybe we could get a collaboration going with Kiki and your cats.
Do a little OnlyFans collaboration.
Yeah, well, one of them passed away, so it'll just be.
Oh, rip.
Okay.
R.I.P.'s in the chat for Brittany's cat.
Yeah.
R.I.P.'s in the chat.
And age, please.
I'm in my 20s.
So 30?
I'm 37.
You're not 37.
Come on.
Okay, 38.
But what's your actual age?
I'm in my 20s.
20, 21, 29.
20 enough.
20 enough.
Isn't it?
Hold on.
Can I Google this?
Let me see.
Brittany Venti.
Brittany Venti age.
26 years old.
Oh, you're born on Valentine's Day?
Apparently.
According to the internet, it could be wrong.
Apparently, I'm 26 and born on Valentine's Day.
I like that new ID.
Okay, so Brittany Venti is 30 years old.
36.
36, 37.
What about you?
I'm Sean.
I run a YouTube channel called Think Before You Sleep.
I am in my 30s.
32.
Like everything?
Oh, and just where, did you guys say where you're from?
Location?
Oh, I'm from New York, but I'm in Texas now.
Okay, so Brittany is in her 20s dating a 32-year-old.
Oh, no, but actually, no, you said you were 38.
So she's actually older than me.
Yeah, it's like Cougar, kind of.
Yeah.
Is 30 mid is late 30s Cougar territory?
Are you a cougar?
Confirm or deny?
Hold on, there's a bug here.
Nice.
That was like some karate kid.
Let me get you some chopsticks.
That was some karate kid shit.
It was annoying.
Did you actually get it?
Yeah, I did.
That was fucking good.
Fucking reflexes.
Okay, good shit.
Okay, I won't grow you guys too much on that.
Go ahead.
Is it my turn?
Yes.
Okay, can you hear me?
Is it working?
Bro, hello.
Okay, hello, hello.
My name's Anna.
I do YouTube.
I am a freelance artist for AAA Gaming, and I own my own business.
And I do cosplay and sell calendars on Indiegogo.
Age?
I am in my 20s.
I do not give out information.
Why don't you guys share your age?
Because I don't give out information that'll get me doxxed.
Why would your age get you?
Birth certificates.
Birth certificate?
What?
There's all kinds of ways of talking.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
But on my channel, I say I'm nine.
That's an ongoing job.
That's kind of weird.
Okay.
It's okay.
I've never heard.
I don't think giving your age would.
It does, because then they would know what year you're born, and then they can verify information on you.
Everyone's birth certificate is public, so if anyone just pays the fee, they can look it up.
This is now an internet safety class.
I know.
So yeah, just stuff like that don't give out.
But I mean, couldn't you argue, for example, like A-list celebrities are very much could potentially be subject to doxing, yet it's public information.
They have security, though.
Do they?
I swear to God, J-Lo turned 35, like, three years in a row, so it seems like some of them are like.
You're 36 now.
Yeah.
37.
But isn't some of this stuff public information?
It is.
Right.
Well, no, I mean, your birthdays is.
Isn't it like out there?
It might be.
A lot of things are out there.
Are you doxing us live on air?
How is it doxing if it's screen share?
Okay.
All right.
I mean, it's already publicly available, isn't it?
I don't think so.
No one's gotten it right yet.
You said your name's Anne?
No, Anna.
I mean.
You're 14.
28?
The reason I pushed back on the age refusal is...
You need to know how many eggs we have left.
Oh, that thing.
No, no, I'm in my 20s.
But it's just like, okay, if you're not prepared to share your age, what?
Well, I mean, I'll share other things, but I just don't want something that'll get me doxed.
But, I mean, wouldn't, wouldn't, I've never heard of someone getting doxed because you know their age.
It's a thing.
Just stay off of Kiwi Fair.
Wait, didn't Destiny's wife not say her age, though, when she was on here?
I don't recall.
I'm pretty sure.
Maybe someone could, like, but she's in, isn't she under immigration process or something?
Because I know that it can if it gets out there.
If what gets out there.
That if that information gets out there, you're on their going immigration.
Let's say somebody decides to like steal that identity somehow is just because you're going through the immigration.
Like her getting doxxed.
Our identity stolen for immigration purposes?
Yeah, I mean, getting your information out there always has that risk in general, too.
I know, because I immigrated here, so that was my main concern, was that, oh, if somebody would steal that, that's an expensive green card, you know?
I don't mean to sound stupid, but what is docs?
What is that slang?
Like, somebody gives out all your personal information, so it's like your social, where you live, your phone number, everything about you.
Like your real identity.
Oh, if you know what, like, swatting is, so, like, somebody will call the cops and they'll be like, oh, this person at this address is going to do this thing, and the cops show up and they arrest your ass.
No, like, so it's people's dogs have gotten killed because the cops think that something's going.
So they'll just break into your house and try to stop whatever's bad happening.
People do bad things.
So I just tried to add a second amendment.
I'm sorry, did I irritate you?
Depending on the state of yours, I am just letting you guys know if like there's any, like, it is a little.
I'm not sure if I buy the I don't want to be doxxed thing.
Because I don't think simply by virtue of stating an age, not, you know, I don't think because, you know, you just go 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96.
It's such a small metric that someone could just like.
Yeah, but like using that logic, we shouldn't put locks on our doors because they could just be broken, right?
What?
It's like a deterrent.
It makes it harder.
It doesn't mean it'll stop people, but it doesn't matter.
It's more about making things harder.
I suppose, but I question if that's the genuine reason.
No, it is.
So I already had to move because of problems, so I just don't want to go through all that again.
Okay, fair enough.
I'll let it slide, but my hesitation with this is because when people are so unwilling to share such a basic biographical information.
Benny Chan donated $99.
These no-age beaches are annoying as hell.
P.S. Maddie is bae.
Always have her on Brian.
Benny Chan, thank you, man.
My concern is just if you're so unprepared to just provide like a basic biographical information, a piece of information about you, are you going to be like having a good faith conversation with us and like being willing to share other, you know, engage in the I will, just don't ask me like my address.
You saw our REDs before the show though.
Well, you guys showed me your Costco cards or whatever.
I showed you on the ID.
Okay, here.
I'll do something.
Ask me a very personal question.
I'll answer it.
No, we're going to move on.
Go ahead.
What about you?
Hi, I'm Lana.
I'm 39.
Thank you very much for disclosing your age.
Much appreciated.
You're welcome.
I'm an accountant.
I'm also a mom.
And last but not least, I do OnlyFans.
Okay.
So an accountant.
And an accountant.
Both types of accountant.
Go ahead.
What about you?
My name is Jasmine Jafar.
I am 28, and I am an OnlyFans creator as well as a licensed attorney.
Licensed attorney?
Okay.
Rock and roll.
Thank you for sharing your age.
What about you?
Guess who's back in the motherfucking house?
Byron Dick Barbie!
How y'all doing?
Fucking go.
I'm blessed to be in my dirty 30s.
I am 33 for about two more months, okay?
I am a stand-up comedian.
I am a social media content creator.
And I am possibly in training to be a school bus driver with the little badass kids.
So what's up?
Let's fucking go.
All right.
And you said you're two weeks away from 34?
Oh, no, two months.
I got two more left.
Yeah, it's all downhill at 34.
Okay, what about you?
I'm Josie.
I'm 27.
I'm unprofessional cyclist, content creator, digital creator.
I do computer stuff on the side, cybersecurity, yeah, stuff like that.
Yeah, in your pre-show messages to us, you told us that you do some work for your social media, OnlyFans assistant, and the IT girl, and that you answer DMs on behalf of OnlyFans girls.
Is that correct?
Yeah, and also for guys who have Tinder that kind of have a hard time to hit it with chicks.
I've done that for like a few guys.
And it works.
You get paid for that.
Yeah.
And I answer like DMs on OnlyFans for girls because they don't have time to do it.
So I keep it interesting, you know, but I don't really feel like being in the front.
I'm a little too.
I'm a woman of God, as you see.
Yeah, okay.
And you two have OnlyFans?
Do you have OnlyFans?
Do you have OnlyFans?
Oh, no.
No, no, no.
Okay.
So, question for you guys: do you guys have someone who messages on your behalf?
No, I actually don't.
So I actually do all of that.
You do it all.
I'm not kidding.
But would you admit it?
If you did have somebody that messages on your behalf, would you admit to that?
Probably not, but for me, it's really important to run my page in a way I feel good about and that I feel is ethical.
So I forego probably a lot of income by going through it myself.
Fair enough.
What about you?
No, I definitely don't.
I do it myself.
Okay.
Yeah, I've definitely heard that there's a lot of girls who have OnlyFans, who they have their own management, and they'll have somebody typing messages.
It'll be a dude, even.
A guy will be messaging with a dude sexy.
And Tate did that exactly.
Yeah, I'm a musician as well.
I've done a lot of computer work because I was immigrating here.
From where?
Yeah, Montreal.
At Port-Français.
Sebianção.
Montreal.
Can we hear the Canadian national anthem?
No.
This is America, Brian.
Okay, oh, okay.
Thank you.
Yeah, cool.
What about you?
My name is Veronica.
I'm 35 years old.
I'm a student.
And my major is occupational therapist.
And I do modeling, like photo shoots.
Okay.
And I help take care of my mom.
All right, got it.
And what about you, Madison?
My name is Madison.
I'm 18 years old.
I'm from San Diego, California.
I'm a student at Santa Barbara City College studying econ and accounting.
And I do the whatever podcast.
And I'm a host at a bar.
Rock and roll.
Okay, cool.
By the way, we were going to have Sophia, who was on the show about two weeks ago.
She at 6:50, we aimed to go live at 7.
She said she was going to be here soon.
She's messaging chat, so I'm leaving this up to chat.
She messaged me just now at 7:15 saying she was here.
Keep in mind, we ask people to be here at 6 p.m.
The show, we try to start the show at 7.
Do we go get her chat?
Or is it time?
I mean, because the table's full.
We sat Madison down.
So, chat.
Oh, Nick, is there, can you pull up the by the way, we are going to do a burping contest later on.
Be sure to stay tuned for that.
Yeah, I'm absolutely not doing that.
It's just going to be them too.
She wins by default, I guess.
Okay.
Eric, or excuse me, Nick, can you pull up the pop-out chat?
Do you know how to do that?
Yeah, if you can get that going.
While we wait for that to see what the chat is saying, some people are saying yes, it looks like.
Let me see.
Let's go around the table once more.
So, if you can, please tell us what your current relationship status is.
Are you single?
Are you in a relationship?
Friends with benefits, talking stage, situation, ship, relationship, married.
If you are single, how long have you been single?
Also, what's your longest relationship?
Go ahead.
Oh my god, it's so complicated.
Yeah, I know.
There's a lot.
Really shouldn't be.
We're in a relationship, Sean and I.
Okay.
She kind of answered for me.
She answered for you.
How did you guys meet, by the way?
On the internet.
With everybody else.
What's that?
On the internet, like everybody else.
Was it like, did you slide in the DMs?
So one of her viewers was a fan of mine.
Oh, sorry about that.
You're fine, you're fine.
Sent her a message, and then she sent me a message on Patreon.
And then we ignored each other for months.
You had a hair on your mind?
No, you had a hair on your mouth.
Okay.
And then she invited me onto a show, and then two years later, we went out.
Yeah.
I didn't know what he looked like for like, I think like a year and a half.
So I just liked his content and messaged him, and he came on my show.
Gotcha.
Okay.
How long have you guys been together?
Almost a year.
Yeah.
Okay.
Congrats.
Oh, almost anniversary coming up.
Good times, good times.
And by the way, guys, I think Before You Sleep, it's a very good, very good channel.
Recommend you go check it out.
The link for that is in the description.
Hopefully he doesn't do a hit piece on this after his appearance here.
But yeah.
What?
What?
Huh?
I've already face-people think I haven't face tops.
I've done it like a bunch of times now.
As long as you just don't do it on your main channel, I really think so.
Well, yeah, you've done some live streams, I think, on your channel.
Yeah, like a lot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But very cool.
Okay, so you guys met online.
Was it, well, you already went into it, so let's move on.
What about you?
I'm engaged.
Hey!
Congrats!
Yeah, it's been like a month now of the engagement, but we were, and we just had our seven-year anniversary on July 3rd.
Congrats.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay.
I'm currently single.
My longest relationship was seven years.
Were you married?
Not legally.
Not legally.
So, basically, like...
Was it a common law marriage, or...?
We had a child together.
Okay.
So.
You have just one kid?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So when did you guys split up?
Yesterday?
No.
No, no.
So I'm basically like widowed.
He passed away.
Oh, shit.
Sorry to hear that.
Yeah.
Last year.
Okay.
And you have, how old's your kid?
She's five.
Five years old?
Okay.
Cool, cool.
And then have you been dating at all since he passed or not still kind of getting over things?
Not really.
Like, I recently tried.
And I don't know, like, you know, make a little content with an old, you know, friend of mine.
But other than that, okay.
What about you?
I am single and my longest relationship is about four years.
Okay, four years.
How long have you been single?
Two and a half years.
Two and a half years.
When did you start your OnlyFans?
2021.
I want to say like June or July.
Probably June.
So it's been about two years.
Were you still dating the guy when you had started your no?
We broke up like November of 2020.
And then you started your OnlyFans in December of the year?
No.
June of 2021.
Ah, okay.
Yeah.
So before I took the bar exam.
Before you took, and you passed the bar?
Yeah.
Okay.
Here in California?
No, I don't want to say what state just for privacy reasons, but.
Sure.
Okay.
And so do you think has having started OnlyFans has that had that had any negative impacts when it comes to finding a potential partner?
Not at all.
Nothing.
Nothing.
No.
Nothing.
Because, yeah, just the kind of guys I like wouldn't have a problem with it.
The kind of guys you like wouldn't have a problem with it.
No.
Any guy that I would have dated before.
So two years ago, I didn't even have an Instagram, nothing.
And I wouldn't have dated any guy at that point that would have had a problem with me having an OnlyFans.
So.
Okay.
Got it.
What about you?
Well, y'all, I'm still single as a motherfucking Pringle, but you know what?
I just met a real sexy, sexy French slash Mexican nigga this past week.
You feel me?
So I'm hoping that'll go somewhere, baby.
Y'all pray for me.
You guys are talking?
Yeah.
Wait, how long?
How long?
Well, we just met on Tuesday.
Oh, nice.
Well, I hope it goes well.
So we're supposed to have our first little date on Friday, but he's going to come to my comedy show this Wednesday.
And then we're going to go on a date Friday.
So I'm looking forward to this week, y'all.
Best of luck.
Thank you.
What kind of date?
Yeah, where are you going?
Well, of course, we got to eat because y'all see a bitch.
I love to eat.
So we definitely going to eat.
And then after that, you know, I don't know.
It's a surprise.
I told him I like spontaneous shit.
Spontaneous.
So surprise me.
But we're going to eat.
That's first on the list.
You better put that.
Surprise me, but don't F up, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
But we gonna eat.
Yeah, you?
My God, I don't know if I'm divorced yet, but divorce, was married, longest relationship, six, seven years.
Currently in a relationship.
Yeah, taken for two years.
Was your marriage your longest relationship?
Yeah.
Yeah, divorce is not fun for both parties, Brian.
What?
Yeah, you say all the time that women have everything to gain out of divorce.
But if you want to talk about it after we can, I can share my experience.
She thinks she's getting divorced.
Okay, well, I kind of missed.
Sorry, I was dealing with some functions.
No, I said that I'm divorced.
I've just gone through it.
Divorce, I don't even know if it's final or finalized or not.
But okay, you brought up that I've kind of not been in favor of marriage.
Yeah.
And one of the reasons I think that is because, generally speaking, the negative consequences of divorce tend to disproportionately impact men.
But so in your case, it negatively impacted you in so far as the breadwinner.
I agree with you with the marriage.
I don't think that it's the worst that can happen to you between a divorce or having a child by accident.
I would say you should be a lot more afraid of having a chick pregnant by accident.
And there are chicks out there that will tell you I'm on birth control just to have a baby because the biological clock is true.
It happened to two of my friends.
And trust me, between all the people that I know that have gone through a divorce versus the people that have to pay child support out of nowhere without being ready for it, the ones who have had children are a lot in hot water compared to the ones that are just divorced without children.
My God, sorry, I stutter.
So you're current, but you said you're currently going through divorce, correct?
I don't even know if I'm divorced yet.
I just didn't really look into it.
Like, I'm in a new relationship right now.
It's doing really good.
Who initiated the divorce?
You were the guy.
Him.
So you were served divorce papers?
Yes.
Okay.
Who was the breadwinner in that relationship?
Him.
Okay.
Did he pay for your attorneys' fees?
We just had one attorney's.
We just did a mediation with one attorney.
I'm not.
My parents didn't raise me to be a bitch.
Your parents.
So you mean like to go after.
How long were you married again?
Seven?
Seven.
Okay, so I don't do stuff like that.
I don't like how a woman kind of tried to destroy guys going through a divorce.
Like where I'm from, it's more.
In Canada?
It's brutal in Canada.
No, Montreal is Quebec.
Quebec is not Canada, Brian.
Well, it quite literally is Canada, but.
I'm not aware of the.
I'm waiting for the chat right now.
I'm not aware of like the beef that Montreal or whatever has with the rest of Canada.
Is there like a, was it secession?
Was it?
Are they trying to secede?
Are you sure you want to go down the street?
Yeah, fuck it.
Let's talk about secession in Canada.
Oh, God.
The independence of Quebec versus the ones that want to be like Canada.
There's Team Quebec and there's Team Canada.
Okay, then.
I'm not impressed by your performance.
Okay.
This is America.
Like, why are we talking about?
No, but you mentioned that.
Well, okay.
In any case, you're in a two-year relationship, correct?
Yeah.
Okay.
Two years.
All right.
Got it.
Cool.
What about you?
I'm single.
I was dating someone, but they recently stopped talking to me.
And yeah, my relationships never really last.
They only last like three months, and that's it.
I'm sorry.
Same.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
You too?
90-day.
That 90-day probation period.
Babies like a child.
They came back.
That's why they have 90-day fiancé, probably.
Right, right.
All right.
Got it.
Sorry, guys.
I'm trying to fucking, we got a person who's late who wants to still come be on the show, so I'm texting on my phone, trying to coordinate with that.
I mean, they want her.
I don't know, bro.
Is that what the chat's saying?
I think they wanted.
We were talking about her, at least earlier.
I might send, Nick, if you want.
Let me just see if she's still fucking here.
Actually, yeah, Matt, if you can go.
Do you have the access thing?
I'll get it.
See, if you wanted to maximize your craft, you would have had chat donate for her to come.
Right!
Yeah.
They would have.
I don't know if they want her that bad.
They would have.
I know, yeah, they would have.
I feel.
Oh, yeah.
If you want to.
She's going to have to sit in the back, though.
No mic.
I mean.
Do you want?
You could just stop her with the doll.
Huh?
No, she'll be in this.
She'll be fucking just sitting behind us.
Like, I don't know if it's even worth it.
Didn't she drive from Bakersfield?
Oh!
And see, that depends where she came from.
If she would have come from out here, she's like, oh, she's just grass outside.
Just let her sit.
It's a long time ago.
But if she came, yeah.
She came far.
What's the equivalent of Bakersfield?
Because I keep hearing Californians shit on it.
So is that like a Bronx in New York or basically?
Okay.
It's like a nowhere.
There's nothing in Bakersfield.
Yeah, there's just like a train of middle nowhere jack shit to do and nothing.
Do you want me to get her or no?
She needs some excitement in her life living in Bakersfield.
That's fucked up.
Do you feel bad if we just make her go back home?
Yeah, let's vote.
Keep in mind, she's been on the show before.
She's late for that show.
What was she good?
Six.
Was she good?
Yeah, like content.
People like her.
Well, we don't have a microphone to give her really.
I'm trying to think.
You have a dunce hat to sit on the corner.
Well, yeah, I think she faces into the corner or something.
But look, we told her, hey, be here at 6 p.m.
She texts me at 7.15 saying she's here.
That's on you.
She didn't warn you.
She was late.
She didn't warn you?
She told me at 6.50, I'm almost there.
Oh, okay.
All of you showed up at like 6, pretty much, except for, you know.
But let me, I'll see.
Wait for chat to donate then.
Yeah, let a super chat the slide.
Yeah.
I mean, that wouldn't be the deciding factor.
What is the deciding factor?
The whatever verse they bring, Sophia.
Yo, James.
Is that her name?
Would you date Where's My Hug Son?
Also, Think Before You Sleep, I binged your content a while back.
It's fantastic.
Thanks.
Hey, James, thank you for the donation there.
Yeah, glad you enjoy his content.
Sorry, guys.
I'm trying to get this figured out.
Madison, why don't you ask the panel a question because I know you're dying too.
I wanted to know what kind of content you made.
Or like, what do you do?
I started out with Manosphere content, then I changed to anti-woke content.
Oh, nice.
Did you used to consider yourself MGTOW?
Yeah.
Okay.
Not like anymore.
I mean, looking at facts, data, and stuff like that, seems like a lot of it, as Freddie was saying it, but divorce seems to suck for both sides.
It just seems like vet your partners properly.
Things like COVID, like kind of say like, well, if, if, that's all I'm saying on the podcast.
Let me just say, like, there were a lot of laws that were ignored after a certain time period.
And so it's like, if laws can be ignored there, then laws don't really matter.
It's really just culture that matters.
So that changed my perspective on that quite a bit.
And so I started moving away from that and just focusing on culture.
And so that basically was it.
Okay.
Gotcha.
But yes, yeah, I mean, it was technically the shorter part of my time as a content creator.
That was like three years ago.
And did you previously consider yourself as a MGTOW?
Yeah.
Okay.
But I know that that can range in terms of how that sort of manifests itself.
That could be anywhere from someone who's like completely just will not even like be friends with women all the way to a guy who will like hook up with women, but you know, they won't cohabitate and they won't have like long-term relationships or get married to women.
So like where would you say when you were MGTOW, where did you fall?
I kind of just focused on my career and just focus on myself.
Okay.
So you weren't really like dating or anything?
Not really.
Gotcha.
Okay.
Cool.
Anything else, Madison, for the table while I deal with this Sophia situation?
Yeah.
How many of you are single?
Well, I feel like you don't really count.
You're like talking to someone.
Oh, okay.
I can put my hand in your hand.
Yeah, so you said I'm single.
I mean, she said single.
Single means single.
Yeah, I guess.
Madison, can you go grab her?
Yeah.
I'll be back.
And then if you could set up her chair for that, that's what it's going to be.
If she wants to leave, she can.
It's hard for us to accommodate somebody that's almost an hour and a half late.
Right.
Why do you let her in?
Because they want her.
Brandon Mills donated $100.
Lord Brandon decides that she shall join in on the podcast.
Also, hi, Madison, and Brian.
Yo, Brandon, good to see you in the chat, man.
Much appreciated.
Thank you.
Hey, Nick, can you boost the audio?
I think it's a bit low.
Can you make sure it's at 80?
Do you know how to do that?
Yeah, yeah, perfect.
Thank you, man.
sorry guys little clusterfuck here because fucking this question has been looming over my head can Can I ask it?
Sure.
So earlier the topic of someone else managing OnlyFans came up and I think you said that you wanted it to be ethical.
Is that what you meant that somebody else managing it in your opinion wouldn't be ethical?
If somebody is speaking to people as you, I don't think that's ethical.
I think that's why.
Because somebody's pretending to be you and someone's paying to talk to you and they're talking to someone else.
And as somebody who does that, I would also agree that it's not ethical.
But I don't care.
I like money.
You're lying.
You're having someone else pretend to be you and this person thinks they're talking to you.
You think that's ethical?
Yeah, but they donate with the assumption of like that they will be able to talk to you, get with you, things like that.
Because that's how a lot of guys are.
Even if you give 100 disclaimers, right?
I make sure not to facilitate parasocial relationships.
So I don't offer a girlfriend experience.
I don't do any of that.
I have a limit on how much content you can buy.
If somebody messages me multiple times, I'm like, hey, this is unhealthy.
This is erratic.
And I do it anyway, to be honest.
I don't have a lot of that.
And I have a lot of fans.
The DMs can get pretty toxic, but that's what I'm here for.
I think I want them out.
What are you seeing as someone who manages that?
sorry i'm like thinking you're thinking tos right now so like i don't even know if uh okay Like, the amount of guys that cheat on their wife like that, it's sad.
They have kids are like, I'm spending like my kids' Christmas gifts on you right now.
Why the f are you not answering stuff like that?
It's like I can see that somebody who hasn't been used to see comments like that on social media or like just started on OnlyFans, it's hard to find, right?
Like reading that and seeing like husbands cheating and everything.
I would say most of them don't really have like a father figure around.
So I would say that it's pretty traumatizing to think that there are men like that in the world to me.
Like I have two amazing parents that are still together, good father figure.
Like my mom, she was in California.
She stayed at my house like last month.
So it's for me, I know they're just jerks.
Like sorry, like I know and I'm just like, what the heck?
But you know, for people who don't have a father figure, it hits harder psychologically.
Are you talking about the women on OnlyFans?
Yeah.
That you have like men say certain things and they just don't necessarily some of them just don't how could I explain that?
So you're saying it just hits them different.
I don't know.
I don't really know how to explain it.
It's just it's sad.
So you're saying that's where you come in to talk to those men on their behalf because they don't feel comfortable?
No, because they want to save time.
Let's be honest.
Yeah, yeah, no, I understand that, but that's, I didn't know the relevance of the father.
So because I guess I'm good at handling it, like back and forth.
I just run into the same circle.
They're happy.
She's happy.
I'm happy.
So like, yeah.
Do they ever just reject their purchases if they're like, I'm spending my kids college fund on this?
401ks, wife's savings, mom's savings, college kids' savings.
Yeah, I've seen it.
Meet me or my kids' life is in jail party.
That's super unethical overall.
They do a lot of mental manipulation to try to get stuff and I'm just like, meh.
Do you see that?
I don't know.
I would say it's the other way around.
I would say the people who are chatting to these men, they're manipulating the menu.
Yeah, they're manipulating emotions, especially by pretending to be a personality.
Oh, yeah, it's totally mutual.
I mean, I wouldn't say that there's no manipulation coming from the women's side.
I mean, if anything, it's a lot coming from the women's side.
That's the whole business model, you know?
I'm just saying it's not, it's not very, and there are a lot of guys that aren't doing that.
Oh yeah, the great people on there yeah no, some of them are not, are not.
There's a lot of.
It's hard to have like a healthy relationship and then also um, like pursue that sort of girlfriend simulator relationship with someone.
For the men that do do that must be.
Some of the girlfriends find us for their boyfriends, like some girls are like into it, so I have a lot of couples that watch me together, or like a guy who's girlfriend.
Oh yeah, there's definitely some cut queens out there and such.
Yeah, were you asking, I don't know what a cut queen is compromising my relationship, because I'm not okay.
I was asking.
I was saying rather the, the people that are purchasing it.
It must be hard for them to maintain a happy relationship unless, unless it's like a cut queen type of thing.
But people who are going to be what he defines the relationship, people who are going to be disloyal, are gonna find a way to do it without only fans ever existing.
I mean, the boundaries of a relationship makes it easier but yeah, determined by the two people in the relationship.
Anything online makes it easier.
Yeah, I think if you're a man makes it easier.
If a man provides enough, he can get away with a lot.
No amen, maybe not for you, but I don't know.
That's true, that's true.
I've seen that happen.
I've seen relationships where the man is married and the the wife, knows that he has like another mistress that he fully takes care of.
If she knows in relationships, it's 2023, relationships are coming all different.
If she knows, I'm sorry, it's wrong.
If she knows it's wrong, that's just at least be classy.
Don't tell her, don't ask, don't tell you know.
You think if the girl knows it's wrong or no, I mean personally, like if my boyfriend was to just go and, like you know, get with some random chick, he doesn't even remember her name.
I'm like you know what that's on you.
I don't want to know.
Don't tell me, it's gonna hurt me.
And at the end of the day, I know I grew up around guys.
I kind of understand how them, a man's man brain is wired.
It's not like women cheating.
Women cheating versus men cheating is two completely different, two completely different things.
I think that's used too much as a past though, because what if women were like, yeah sorry babe, I cheated on you.
Why did he say, sorry, I cheated on you, hold on.
But babe, I cheated on you.
He had more money and you know, as a woman, I biologically have to go for resources.
So well, go ahead bye bye bitch, but it doesn't get.
It doesn't get it passed.
In the same way, I don't think either are acceptable.
I'm a little bit of a romantic.
I wish that we could bring back more romance.
Honestly honestly, if you would just not tell you and you would not find out somehow.
Like it's, I don't want to know and I don't want to find out.
Like the I don't want to find out part, that's what's important.
Make sure I don't find out means make sure you don't get her pregnant, make sure you don't come back with an STI, stuff like that you know, but surely it'll manifest in some other way, like typically if like, if you're an addict to one thing, you're probably an addict to multiple things and things like.
So it's like it's.
You may be thinking it's like this.
There's this direction over here where this person's going that you don't want to know about, but it's probably manifest in other ways that are affecting you personally.
I would certainly want to know.
Honestly, I don't know.
I'm not a guy.
I haven't been one in a while, so I couldn't say, but.
You used to be a man.
That's a joke, Brian.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
Just want to say 2021.
Be careful these days.
It's not a given anymore.
Well, let's move on.
Brittany, just one thing.
You mentioned that you think people should try to reintroduce some romance into.
Yeah, I think it's been sucked out of the life of everyone.
This whole thing of the terminal men versus women war has just sucked the romance out of everything and everyone's just very low trust.
And it's very sad to see.
And I really wish that romance brought back because as we've taken it out, we have all these very undefined relationships and people are unhappy about it.
And everyone's just having to settle for so little because the bar is just so low and it's really sad for both genders.
Can you clarify or maybe expand on what you mean though by romance?
What does that look like?
Like two people who genuinely like each other and want to commit to each other and are only into each other.
Okay.
Because when I think of romance, I tend to think of perhaps like romantic overtures such as, for example, buying girl flowers.
Those are nice too.
Those are pleasantries, I suppose.
But it's the foundation that really matters too.
Okay.
Those are symptoms that comes after you have a good foundation, right?
Okay, so more like actual genuine liking of the person versus perhaps the transaction, you know, how I think things tend to be looked at almost in a transactional way, whereas like, what can this person provide, whether it's finances, whether it's, you know, whatever it may be.
And that's not to say that men should therefore date ugly, unattractive women that they're not attracted to, and women should date men that they're not attracted to.
Obviously, for example, if you want children, there needs to be money there in order for you to raise the children.
So like looks and being able to provide for a family certainly do matter, but it has become a lot more transactional, and I think that's what's given the rise to things like OnlyFans and why so many guys and girls are buying into it.
And it's sort of like this parasocial thing.
Do you think people have to do that?
And OnlyFans because there's not enough romance?
I think that with the rise of relationships becoming more and more vague, like at the beginning of the show, for example, he was like, whether you're in your situation, ship, this or that.
And it's like 10 different labels instead of just like dating or committal boyfriend, girlfriend, et cetera.
So if you think that was more clear, people wouldn't get on OnlyFans and make money?
I think that OnlyFans is happening due to the fact that, for example, because most of the customers are guys, even though there are some girls.
And so I think that they're using that as a replacement for sex in the same vein as porn.
And I don't think it's good for either party overall.
Like Japan's a lot of people.
And it affects children too.
Yeah, Japan, too.
What do you mean?
Like, porn affects children or OnlyFans?
Well, you could also make the argument if men were getting romance or getting sex from women that there would not be such a market for pornography.
I mean, like, upwards of 90% of men watch porn.
Upwards of 90% of men are single.
I mean, a lot of normal people with relationships or jobs, like normal people are on.
People watch porn.
But that might be contributing to why they're single.
Yeah, because if you can say he watches porn every day, you're like, why would you work out?
Why would you work on your career?
Why would you do all that stuff?
Well, the majority of people that watch porn, like, that workout also, they're not working out because they're on OnlyFans.
I don't think that's.
Just because that one person, like, there's people that do, it doesn't mean that there also aren't like a lot of people who don't because pornography exists.
Because it's there.
And so easily available.
So are you just saying that?
Or is there some like statistical evidence for this?
Is this just what you feel?
Like I said, you can look at societies like Japan where they have this massive price.
There's a huge porn industry in Japan.
Like every single part of their relationship is compartmentalized where people are going to like Men can go to strip clubs, women can go to like host clubs, just like the male version of that.
It just doesn't seem to be a good thing.
And do you think that's the reason that Japan is like that?
Because Europe is super open with sex.
We're kind of uptight here in the U.S.
And like, are you seeing that countries that watch more porn, you're seeing more of this?
Is that mixed in with a lack of connection, especially things like without violating TOS, people being less connected because of COVID, people getting on Discord conversations and having friends through that versus having actual real friends and people kind of compartmentalizing?
So social media in general.
Yeah.
So if you mix that in with lack of social skills, which is kind of a pretty prevalent problem in Japan, we're getting a lot of that here.
But do you think that, like, are you saying that you think the majority of men on OnlyFans don't have social skills?
Like, are you saying that porn in particular, OnlyFans in particular, is different than all these other forms of social media that's making people less connected?
You think OnlyFans and porn in particular is an issue?
I'm thinking it's all kind of mixed in together as like, maybe people should move a little bit more away from maybe like, if you, if all of your friends are on Discord, maybe check your life a little bit.
Or maybe all your presence if you're on the computer all the time, if you're not a content creator and you're on the computer all day, maybe maybe check yourself a little bit.
Yeah, I had something to add on to that.
So I think that it's um, all of it as well, but it's specifically with only fans.
Um, as nat as the nature of any other pornography, it's a replacement for sex.
So I think, in that specific area, is what it's replacing.
So, instead of like, maybe going and trying to get a girlfriend or committal relationship uh, they might turn to only fans, and I think that's why it's become so popular too.
And versus other social media, let's say Discord yeah, that would be more like a way of um replacing friendship.
I don't, I don't know why people think it's like a replacement for sex.
I don't think if you, if people, watch porn, they're like oh, I don't ever want to see a real woman naked.
I don't think.
Well, men get.
I don't know what we did from it though.
Yeah, that can happen.
But, like porn addiction in general is so misunderstood.
It's such a not it's not even recognized by people.
Five the APA like.
It's not recognized for a reason, and a lot of it also has to do.
They've done studies with moral incongruence.
So they've looked at men who've watched porn and they've compared men who think they have, because a lot of it is just what you think you have a problem like, do you feel like this is interfering with your daily activities, etc.
Unless you stopped for a long period of time?
No, but they find that the men that think it does, they also have negative attitudes towards porn.
They have some like moral opposition to it.
They're extra religious.
They find that those men don't actually even watch more porn than normal men who are living normal, healthy lives.
But they have a like.
They are like sex is normal right, and they're like, oh my god, I have an addiction because i'm not supposed to be doing this.
God is mad at me, whatever.
And then they, because they're normal, they turn to it again and again and again and they think that's an addiction when it's not.
Some people are uncomfortable with social interactions in general, whereas porn and only Fans kind of gives you that opportunity to have that fantasy without having to overcome that social anxiety.
To go and talk to a woman, go on a date and everything.
It's definitely easier.
I mean, think about what's easier, hanging out with a friend or messaging on Discord, right?
So in that same sentiment, I think you have voiced that you don't think that it's a replacement, but if that's not the case, then why when someone's horny, they turn to porn?
Otherwise, what would they have to turn on?
There's a lot of men in relationships that turn to porn.
Like if your girlfriend isn't there with you in the moment, a lot of, like, upwards of 90% of men watch porn and not 90% of men are single.
And also, but that could also reflect on their relationship.
It could mean that they're not satisfied to some degree.
And not even that the woman's.
But you're making that up.
Like, you don't.
No, not even that the woman's not good enough, but like that maybe they're so used to porn that they need those options.
Because that's one of the most common things you hear from guys when you ask them why do they want to.
Even when I'm in relationships and I'm having a ton of sex, I masturbate.
Like I don't, like, sometimes you want your little alone time and it's in moderation.
I'm not saying it can't be a problem, but I mean anything.
Drinking in moderation, gambling in moderation, porn in moderation.
What do you guys think about?
Do you think that if a guy is horny and he goes out and tries to find a woman in public, that that's better than going online?
To go meet a woman for the first time and go out to just whatever.
Yeah, you're just going out to culture is just as terrible.
Right.
So it's like, what is worse?
Go online and beat it?
Both are bad.
Go out and get a random person.
Both are bad.
But I mean, some people benefit from it.
It's an industry.
So just freaking, you know.
Why is it bad?
Psychologically.
That's all.
It's not bad for you.
It's not bad for nobody.
Why is it bad for like if people, like, what's wrong with hookup culture?
I don't engage in it personally because I'm boring, but sexual diseases, motherhood, for starters, pregnancy.
Inability to hold a long-term relationship.
Why would we want to do it for everybody else?
Like, we don't want to do it.
Why don't we change this?
Well, we didn't say we're going to stop and just say we don't like it.
It doesn't mean you can't do it.
Is it better like it for everybody or you don't like it for yourself?
If you stay home, you're not going to get someone pregnant.
You're not going to get an STI.
There we go.
You're just masturbating at home.
I mean, as he was saying, kind of skirting TOS here, I mean, couldn't you say that we as a society, in order to stop the spread of a certain disease, we actually enacted laws to prevent certain activities, certain mandates.
And you could, I mean, I'm not trying to fucking compare hookup culture to COVID here.
But you could argue, like, for example, like, there's a rise in STDs.
Okay.
Since gonorrhea, what kind of STDs?
Syphilis, gonorrhea.
Okay.
I think something actually recently in Texas, women in Texas, I forgot which city, but in the past three or four years, there's been like 150% fold increase in syphilis in women in some like Texas city or some shit.
So like people on that.
We can educate people on safe sex, but at the end of the day, it's their decision.
I have no interest in telling people.
Yeah, that's not kids.
People be fucking without condoms and shit.
Yeah, and that's their decision.
I'm not going to sit here and be like, stop.
All the education on safe sex is not going to get someone to change that behavior.
So what is us saying like, oh, this is so wrong, hookup conductors.
Well, also, even if you wear a condom, you can still get herpes.
Yeah, you can.
But I'm saying we should tell people about the risk, but if they want to engage in it, I don't care enough to tell them just like what's in our business.
What about drug?
Like, what about drug use?
What do you mean, what about drug use?
Well, I mean, you know, we can, in our personal lives, we can say, okay, well, drug use is bad, but you can also say, hmm, maybe society-wide, this isn't, like, the best thing.
Maybe we should, I'm not saying we should fucking like pass laws to like ban hookup culture, but like we could say, like, okay, this is not, this is not good.
So you, and you're doing this because you don't want people to get more STDs, and you feel like this is like a pertinent issue in society right now, the rise of STDs, and like we should just be really pushing.
Well, there's other factors why I think hookup culture is not great.
Okay, why?
You want the other factors?
Well, I mean, because if it's just the rise of STDs, I don't think men or women are happy with hookup culture.
Who are you to say that they're not happy with hookup culture, though?
How often do you hear?
It's either men who are incapable of finding a relationship or women who you'll hear from women, I'm tired of these fuckboys, these guys, they just want to fuck.
Like, I think both men and women are desirous of long-term relationships, and hookup culture is contrary, uh, doesn't coincide with building long-term relationships.
For some people, it does.
Like, I mean, there are people who complain like that, but there are a lot of people who don't.
Like, we're in a bubble.
There's a lot of online communities that are like, this is terrible, but I feel like if you're not.
Average girls who go to college or average guys who go to college will are just as likely to say, oh, hookup culture sucks.
Can I?
So if everyone thinks that, why do some people still choose to engage?
Because everybody's so horny.
We need sex, y'all.
Stop acting like, y'all don't know.
We're horny.
Motherfucker is horny.
That's a part of hell.
Y'all don't know that that's a part of being a healthy human.
You have to fuck.
Yeah, but.
Hello?
Are you willing to die in order to achieve that?
Obviously, everybody is dying.
Has there been anything?
Everybody sees it.
They feel fucking.
And they know the risk.
You're dying.
Who's dying?
You're in a very vulnerable position when you open up your body like that to a stranger.
Somebody you just met.
I don't know.
I don't understand telling you.
In the beginning.
The thing is, I need it.
Are you saying you've never had a one-night stand?
No.
Oh, shit.
You missing out, girl.
Do you drink?
I haven't.
Stop the cat.
Well, no, they always come back.
Sorry.
What do you think, though?
I think one of the main ingredients in a hookup is alcohol.
So what are they going to do?
Should we ban alcohol?
I don't know, Brian.
What do you think?
I mean, you could actually make an argument.
Go back to novel.
No, I just don't understand how I see that.
Don't you, okay?
Whoever has had a one-night stand, like women, aren't you kind of scared that you could do things that you're not comfortable with or hurt you?
You're such in a vulnerable position with somebody you don't really know.
I don't know.
It would freak me out.
Like, I can be comfortable like that.
Exactly.
Earth, keep rolling, girl.
You don't think about none of that.
I guess from him in the bathroom before that instant kicks.
And so, yeah.
Take a look, Coke.
Take a look.
Well, single men are one of the main money makers for OnlyFans, so there's that aspect too, right?
Yeah, they're one of them, but they're also.
But it's like, obviously, there are some couples, but it's a lot of a much mass, probably like 80%.
I think you'd be surprised about the amount of women who don't care if their man watches porn or is on OnlyFans.
Yeah, and like I said, there's definitely cut queens.
There's people of everybody.
I don't think they're cut queens.
I just think that they don't care.
Like, I wouldn't care if my boyfriend watched porn.
Some people are neutral, some people aren't.
I'm not a cut queen or against it.
Well, don't search for stuff.
You won't find anything if you don't know.
You don't know.
You're not a cut queen.
You're saying they enjoy it?
Yeah, the women that enjoy their men looking.
I don't think some women just women don't care.
Like, if you're allowed to look at women online, I don't have to be the only woman you ever see ever.
I mean, that's how you facilitate your relationships.
But the thing is, I think that affects how committal a relationship is, depending to what degree, especially.
How so?
Because wouldn't it be more romantic if a guy only has eyes for you and only sees you and vice versa and the girl only you can be romantic yourself.
Why do I have to, I don't want to be romantic.
Why do I have to be romantic?
Because we all have to live in this culture.
So we should all be romantic and commit to each other so you feel better?
No, romance facilitates really healthy relationships and happy families and not having, you know, for example, single mothers, having to struggle and raise your kid.
It's hard.
My single mother raised me.
It's not easy.
Can I ask you, do you go through his phone?
No.
Well, there you go.
Oh, shit.
What?
Because why do you not go through his phone?
Because you don't want to know.
Why would I go through her phone?
I mean, like relationships are based on trust.
Exactly.
Well, I wouldn't date somebody that consumes porn because I also don't.
So I hold someone else's same standards.
But you just don't know what you're saying.
What if they went through his phone and found a whole bunch of porn, no girl?
What would you do?
This happened.
Like any other relationship, you don't want to know.
No, like any other relationship.
You got a little nervous.
Yeah, you just like.
No, I'm pretty confident in.
That was one of the first things I'd find out when I date someone, so I'm actually pretty confident I wouldn't find anything.
So you find out how you find out when you first date someone.
You ask them and you trust them.
You just ask for their laptop right away.
It goes through the history.
So if you guys were dating someone on the first date and you had some sort of requirement and deal breaker and you voiced that and they lied to you, I'm pretty sure if you found out they lied, that you would probably break up with them too.
How are you finding out or not finding out?
Are you checking?
What are you doing?
Are you with them 24-7?
There's a little Chris Rock show.
People don't, like, if you're trying to hide your porn from your girl, they don't find it in Fort Knox.
They find it in the BCR.
So if anybody's lying in a relationship, if you need to hide in the yard.
Oh, sorry, it's an old joke.
Okay, I don't know.
This is an older.
I'm here to hide it nowadays.
It's a history right away.
But I don't think porn is responsible for single mothers.
I think that's so at all.
Just men who are discouraging.
It's probably a lot of people.
I think it's the trigger factor.
What I'm trying to say is the lack of commitment and therefore the lack of romance that's really prevalent nowadays, which is why we have all these vague relationships.
Honestly, I wouldn't like to find out if my boyfriend was watching corn.
I wouldn't like it.
So I don't go through his phone because I don't want to know, but you know, I'm like, why would you be okay with it?
Like, what's stopping you from, like, just saying, hey, I'm not comfortable with this.
This is my relationship boundary.
That's fine, but you can't make it all of our relationship.
Yeah.
I do understand where you're coming from, though.
I do get where you come from because if all of us women would just keep our fucking legs closed, you know what I'm saying, and wait until marriage, we wouldn't be in this whole fucking shit show of a, you know, feel me?
The romance would have stayed and everything.
But we horny.
I keep telling y'all, we be sick, so we can't just wait for somebody to marry us to give it up.
Shit.
Take forever.
You be fucked around and die.
No, some women really are tanking the cooji stock, though.
Like, they accept anything.
And it's making it harder for all of us.
Oh, my God.
You're not a happy relationship.
Congrats.
Very romantic.
I mean, I'd be terribly hurt if I would find out that my boyfriend, like, had a one-night stand with one chick.
But for me, I'm just, but then why accept it?
I don't want to know.
Honestly, I'd rather not know because it's going to hurt me.
It's going to hurt my feelings.
So, you know, you're okay with not knowing, even though, like, it could possibly be true.
Wouldn't you want to break up?
I mean, I know he doesn't.
I don't think he does.
So if I have any reason to believe, then that means I would find out.
That means you effed up.
You know?
It's like, don't make sure I don't find out.
That's it.
You know?
I don't know.
I know it's weird, but that's just me.
You'd just rather not know.
I know it's weird.
You've been doing all this work in this relationship and, you know, just don't find out.
Because guy is a hookup.
Guy's a hookup.
Women are emotional.
Most of the time.
But then would you get a pass if you cheated because the guy had more money and you're a woman, therefore you need resources?
Would that get a pass?
No, because it's totally different.
Men and women are different.
But women, according to biology, using the same logic, women go for the resources for their children and everything.
So if a woman cheated for the same reason of resources, they wouldn't get that pass.
Of course not, because you go for the resources, therefore you go for their relationship, not for the one-night stand.
Like a guy goes to a chick to bang a chick and what's that name again?
I don't know.
Like if you go for the resources, you go for somebody else.
That's another relationship that's emotional.
That's still a lack of commitment, though.
Net speaks volumes on not just the micro, but the macro, right?
The little detail says a lot about the situation and what they'll do.
What I'm saying is that if a man protects and provide enough, he's gonna have a pass most likely.
Like, for some of you.
I don't even know how you can get a pass for that, though.
Not a pass, but if you can get it, he's not.
We're gonna get away with it.
You know what I mean?
If you meet, like, the love of your life, you guys get married, happy, and 20 years down the line, you find out that he's had one one-night stand a year.
What do you do?
Why did I find out?
That's the question.
Is he that dumb?
I found out.
I didn't want to find out in the first place.
Well, maybe one of the girls hits you up.
Strap it up.
You're a lie.
You're a liar.
You're a lying liar who lies.
I didn't want to know.
No, no.
Well, so in that situation, what do you do?
I told it, Chick, she's a fucking liar.
I'm going to show you evidence.
Huh?
What if she shows you evidence?
Like legit receipts?
Here's like pictures of them together, hooking up, stuff like that.
DMs, letters.
You're never supposed to let her present.
You sweat, though, so you got to pretend like you did.
Like, Beatrix, you don't know what you're talking about.
You know.
Yeah, I accept him talking.
I died.
I'd lie about that.
Would you accept it, or you're like, I'm done.
I'd be pissed.
I'd probably get over it, but that's me.
I'm not saying that it should be a standard for everybody, but that's just myself personally.
I can get over that.
I grew up around guys, and I can understand like guys they go for a hookup.
It's so not emotional.
Like they can literally bang anything without giving a single fuck.
Thank you.
I just feel like if I was the kid of a parent like that, I wouldn't want a parent who was doing that behind that.
Of course not.
I don't have kids.
Sets a bad example.
Of course.
But.
Oh, no.
It hurts to be cheated on.
It hurts.
That's what you get cheated on.
It seems to hurt.
So wouldn't it be more romantic if he was just into you?
Yeah.
Of course.
Of course.
But it's like reality.
Is that reality these days?
Of course not.
Why can't I get it?
But is that fair to the other person to settle for them?
Huh?
To like settle.
Like, oh, I accept that they're going to have bad behaviors.
I don't accept it.
I don't want to know.
But why?
But if he's putting all your damn bills, then you ain't got a choice.
Shit.
You can't.
Sit there, shut the fuck up, and take it.
But if you know that you can get a man that will not cheat on you, I have a man that was not going to cheat on them.
Do you think they don't exist?
No, I don't.
No, I have one.
I have one.
I have one.
How do you know if you're not looking?
He said, you don't want to find out.
Maybe.
No, because I told him and he was like, I wouldn't do that.
What the heck are you talking about?
I'm like, I'm just letting you know.
I'm just letting you know if it happens.
If it happens, because it's always when you're not ready that shit happens.
I'm pretty superstitious about that.
I'm an athlete, sorry.
But knock on wood.
But Brian said, don't knock on the table.
Oh, my bad, Brian.
That's particle board, not wood, anyway.
Did you leave?
I'd rather just set my boundaries.
I was like, hey, like, if you don't want to break up with me and it was just a mistake, it's like, please don't tell me because that's going to hurt me.
Wait, but doesn't that make him feel like he can just treat you any sort of way?
No.
Yeah.
That's me.
I told him that.
I told him that.
You didn't tell me that.
So if a guy hears that, what they're hearing is like, oh, she's weak.
She's desperate.
I could do what I want.
And they're going to take advantage of you.
And it's the same vice versa.
If a guy had low standards like that, they would be called a simp.
Okay, but men and women aren't in hell to the same standards.
Right, but they're balanced.
It's not a direct.
But he's not cheating.
He's not cheating.
I mean, not that I know of.
And you know what?
I'm fine mentally.
Like, look at me like I'm doing fine right now.
Are you?
Are you?
Maybe, I don't know.
You're doing okay?
I'm not sure.
Here, let's move on.
I have a couple questions for some of the panelists here.
Some of you were so kind to provide some answers to some of our pre-show questions.
So, starting with Jasmine, who is an attorney, in your Instagram, you describe yourself as a lawyer and hoe.
Yes.
Did someone just fart?
No.
Sounds like a big thing.
So your Instagram, in your bio, it says lawyer and hoe.
Correct.
So.
What?
When you say you're a hoe, you mean you just do OnlyFans?
Is that what a hoe is?
I don't know what a hoe is, but I thought.
Okay, just a question for the two girls here who do OF.
Based.
That was a good one.
Do you do BG content?
Yes.
BG content or solo content?
I have both.
Huh?
I have both.
Both.
Yeah, I do both too.
Gotcha.
So have you ever, when I think of a hoe, I mean, well, I don't know, maybe I'm reaching hard.
Here, have any of either of you done any prostitution?
No, is that what hoe is?
No, I thought it was just like slang.
I'm reaching there.
I was going to do 304 because I learned what that means before.
But I thought more like normal people wouldn't know.
Sure.
You said that when you were bored studying for your bar exam, you went on a different date every other day.
Correct.
Okay, and this is also the time when you started your OnlyFans.
Yeah, so after law school, it was like two months where you're supposed to do nothing but study for the bar.
I'm really good at standardized tests, so I knew I only needed like a week, so I was like, well, what do I do?
So I started in OnlyFans and went on a bunch of dates.
Yeah, it says here, I ended up going on, or you ended up going on 33 dates in around 2.5 months.
Yep.
Just a point of clarification, are these 33 dates all first dates with different guys?
Yes.
Okay, so perhaps it was you went on more dates, but some of them were second dates.
Is that correct?
I saw four out of 33 more than once.
Did you keep it like a spreadsheet or how did that?
I actually kept a list in my phone.
Kept a list in your phone?
Yes, I could talk to my friend about it.
Of the first dates?
Yeah, of the 33 guys.
Of the 33 guys, how many did you hook up with?
Have sex with?
Sure.
Just one.
Only one?
Yeah.
And then I'm friends out of the four I saw again.
I'm still friends with three of them.
You're still friends with three of them?
Yes.
Like in person, you meet up in person?
A couple of them, yeah.
I just went to one of their birthday parties.
Okay, and how did you secure these dates?
Was it dating apps?
Yeah, it was the first time I downloaded Hinge, so I did all of them on Hinge.
All of them on Hinge.
Okay.
And what percentage of men do you think could go on 33 different dates in three months?
Probably a very low percentage.
Very low percentage.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know, maybe.
So, and you only hooked up with one.
Yeah.
Did you do any content with him?
No, this was like right when I was starting my OnlyFans.
So I went to Egypt and Dubai for a little bit.
Then I came back and I was like, well, I still have like a month and a half.
So I went on all these dates and I was just starting OnlyFans.
And I mean, I told all of them, but we didn't make content.
I didn't actually start doing BG content until this last February.
Did you ever go on two dates in one day?
Yes, once.
Did you ever go on three dates in one day?
No.
Okay.
Okay.
Interesting.
So it just seems like a lot of time.
Yeah, but I was bored.
It was kind of like the middle of COVID, and my law school friends had all gone back to their home states to study because the bar was going to be virtual.
Yeah.
And so I was dating that guy earlier, and then I went back home for a little bit, came back, and I'm like, I don't have anybody to hang out with.
I'm bored.
I want to see the study.
I mean, I want to see the city I was in.
So I was like, why not?
Okay.
Well, so, and you said that you think a very small percentage of men could go on 33 different first dates in a three-month period of time?
I don't know if they were really trying.
I don't know.
I'm not a male.
But I guess I would say it's easier for someone like me to go on 30.
What do you mean, someone like you?
A woman.
That's like, I guess, somewhat conventionally attractive.
Because my social anxiety could never.
Like, 33 men?
Like, they were all really nice.
I didn't have a bad experience.
It doesn't matter of like 33 new persons.
Did you ever forget or like mix up their names?
Yeah, but it didn't matter because I only saw four of them more than once.
So sometimes on my phone, I would write like pizza guy or something.
I have a question for the table.
So it sounds like you kept an Excel spreadsheet type thing to keep track of.
It was notes in my phone.
Fair enough.
Lawyer, I mean.
So have any of you, and I've heard this from both men and women, that they might keep like, some people keep a fuck list, which I think is a bit vile.
But I shouldn't have said that before I asked the question.
Have any of you ever thoroughly documented your romantic pursuits?
Whether it's, you know, you actually wrote down in a diary or a spreadsheet on a computer, listed out all the people that you've gone on dates with, or I've heard some people keep a list of all the people they've slept with and include various details such as certain sizes of appendages.
Where did you hear?
Who told you that?
I've heard some women on the podcast say that they can't.
I just wrote their names down and put stars by my phone.
Where do you hang out to meet people like that?
This isn't a new date.
So just going around the table, have you ever kept a list of partners?
I mean, does mine count?
So I should have to raise my hand on the two dating lists.
It's my dating list.
Brittany, we'll start with Brittany and go around.
Brittany, what about you?
No.
No.
Yes.
Tell us a little bit.
Was it a fuck list or was it a.
No, so I made a list of like every guy I've ever kissed.
Or like, you know, and then I put like a comma next to their name.
Did you rank?
No.
No, I did like put little things on diary and stars.
No, it's on notes in my phone, but it was so that way I could remember.
And so I would put like a little thing next to it, like this guy is like from this city or like this nationality and stuff like that.
What about you?
No.
I mean, the one you know about.
Is there also a fuck list too?
Byronique, what's up?
What you got for us?
No, I try to forget most of the ones I didn't fuck with.
That's how bad it's been.
So I definitely won't be making no list.
Try to forget.
What about you?
Listen, no.
No.
No.
Okay, all right.
And just really quick, touching on this 33 dates thing.
So I was kind of getting to this a little bit.
Do you guys think, and I'm opening this up to the panel, do you guys think that compared to men, that women have dating on easy mode as compared to men?
Yes.
What do you mean by dating?
Do you mean just going on dates, getting that foot in the door, or do you mean having like a healthy, meaningful relationship?
I would say both.
You could say both.
You got to define dating.
Well, one is, I would say for not for anything.
I think just women have it easy.
Honestly, like if you just go out there, regardless of what type of women you are, trust me, like you'd just be like, who wants this?
Somebody's going to be like me.
You do that as a guy.
You're going to get arrested.
But that's not a stalker.
I feel like dating involves relationships.
Well, I'm one microphone at a time, guys.
Go ahead.
I feel like dating involves also, if you're just talking about being able to fuck or being able to go on dates, then yeah, women have it easier.
But if you're talking about facilitating actual meaningful connections and relationships, I don't necessarily know how women have that easier.
But I mean, couldn't you make the argument that at least, like, for example, you were able to get 33, secure 33 dates in a three-month time period.
One of those led to what he's one of my friends.
It didn't really lead to a relationship.
Okay, but you hooked up with him in that case, but perhaps it could have.
At least you have the opportunity there because for a lot a lot of men's experience on, for example, dating apps, it might be they don't get any matches.
They don't get any matches.
Maybe they get like maybe dating apps are unique, though.
I know a lot of people date them.
You want to get all dating apps?
Yeah, why would you use that?
I'm not sure horrible.
Dating apps are so bad.
Like, I tried.
I did a social experiment, okay?
I like created profiles for like some of my friends with their pictures and everything.
My God, that's like so depressing.
Like, guys, you need to delete dating apps.
Go out there, find something you're into.
I don't know, man, woodworking, beer tasting.
Go meet some new people.
You're going to meet somebody, but please just delete dating apps.
I completely disagree.
I had, I'm not good at going out and meeting people, and I can never tell if someone I'm actually interested in is interested in me back.
So I remember when I started college and like Tinder became a thing, and it was that weight lifted off my shoulder of like, oh my gosh, this guy's acting.
Do you have OCD?
You just doxed?
Do you have OCD?
Tinder came out when you were in college.
Okay, hold on.
2012, you were in college.
Okay, so you're, okay, okay, it's figured out.
We know your exact birthday, but.
I graduated high school early, so.
Do you have OCD?
Maybe mild, not like super.
I like that.
But like, yeah, you like organized things.
Chaos.
I like organized chaos.
So organized, okay.
No, not.
But you like things to have like label, be identified, like nothing led to.
No, do you know who Adam Savage is?
No.
He did MythBuster, so he has a channel.
It's really good.
You should check it out.
But so he believes in organized chaos.
So I went to art school, and so it's one of those things where you have to see all your stuff so that way you can visualize how you're going to utilize it.
ADHD brain, basically.
I wouldn't say that.
But it was just something that, I mean, as compared to going to a bar and I'm like, okay, I'm not interested in that guy.
I'm not interested in that guy.
I'm not interested in this guy.
It's kind of a waste of my time and I don't have a lot of time to spare.
So when I was on Tinder, I was like, okay, I like this guy.
I don't like this guy.
Don't you think that you want satisfaction like quickly, as quickly as possible?
Like, are you willing to start a friendship to just try to maybe find a friend, a best friend, and that best friend could potentially lead to a happy relationship?
Because that's what I found out.
You know, I got married.
I did that, but this is when I'm in college and I don't have.
I was in college.
I'm like, I kind of want to go on dates.
I want to have a boyfriend.
I want to do that, but I don't have time to go out and do it.
So I'll do this for an hour.
I go do my work.
I'll check in a couple of days.
Have you guys met each other on dating app?
No, no, no.
There you go.
I wasn't really looking for a serious relationship when I was in college.
I just wanted to casually date.
Casually fuck.
No, casually date.
That's two different things.
Oh, okay.
Dating apps can be useful.
I think that's the point, Anna.
They're useful for social studies.
They could, really.
You could.
It's not like it's impossible to find someone dating.
You could, but it's not the most effective way to do it because you can't really feel someone out the same way on a dating app that you would in real life.
It's so depressing and like superficial.
How like you guys put their height and stuff and like they just seem to be all that too.
Well, there's other aspects of attraction too that you can't see online, right?
You can't, you don't know their smell, right?
You don't exactly.
Like I'm a very like one-on-one person.
It's like if there's a vibe with somebody or just if there's a friendship, like I ended up, you know, I'm like, I'm pretty much dating my best friend right now.
And we're, I mean, I've never been this happy in my life, honestly.
And I think that's what was lacking in my previous marriage is that there wasn't a strong friendship in the beginning.
There was just.
Yeah, that's definitely, I think most people would prefer not to be like, yeah, I met on a dating app.
I think most people would prefer to meet in real life.
But it's not always possible, right?
Yeah.
But I'm kind of curious why the question was asked about like men versus women and like who has it harder.
Sorry, Didon.
Sorry, what's that?
Why was the question asked in regard to men versus women who have it worse?
Why was it asked?
Well, I mean, she mentioned that she had gone on 33 dates in a three-month time period, which I think is, I would say that in order for you to be able to pull that off as a guy, that puts you in the top 1% of men who could pull off securing that many dates.
Whereas I think, honestly, if a woman was so inclined, I would say honestly, the top 50% of women could very easily secure that sort of attention from men.
So if that's true, then what?
Yeah, but who really cares?
I mean, these are pretty superficial relationships anyway.
I mean, I guess I should say that.
But at least you have the opportunity there for one of these scenarios to potentially maneuver into a relationship.
I would say with dating apps, you're right, but I don't think it's that way.
But you're right that a lot of relationships are not facilitated through online.
You kind of see both genders complain about dating and the lack of commitment in general.
So I don't think being able to just date around and sleep around is the same thing as a committal relationship.
But I see what you're saying, but for example, I don't know everyone's philosophy on this, but I would say most modern relationships, it's the way most relationships start.
I don't think it's typically, okay, let's go on 10 dates, then hook up, then sleep together, then get in, like get into a relationship first, then sleep together.
I think the way it works for most adult relationships is people hook up fairly early on, and then they continue hooking up, and then they find themselves in a relationship.
Not for everybody.
I'm not sure if that's the case.
Like, it does happen for sure, but in terms of that actually leading up to commitment, I don't hear that many stories of like that actually turning out to be a healthy long-term relationship.
But I guess it depends what your goals are in dating.
Like, I don't know if her goal in dating is to marry, right?
Like, I don't know what your goal is.
Well, I mean, one thing I would like to do to go around the table is a lot of you have said, hey, here's my longest relationship.
Or maybe a better question to ask is, have any of you here had a long-term relationship where you hooked up, had sex with a person relatively early on in said relationship?
So let's say within the first one, two, or three dates.
Sophia, let's start with you.
Sophia, what about you?
Okay, well, my boyfriend and I, we did have sex, and we've been in a relationship for a year now.
Well, okay, can you clarify?
You said you had sex.
How quickly?
Like, kind of quick.
Like 30 minutes or what are we into?
Not 30 minutes, but like a month after.
Oh.
Okay, like we weren't hanging out that much because we met and then we started dating and then we had sex.
So you're friends prior?
Yeah, that gives context.
Yeah.
It's a little bit different than just like meeting someone the first time and then having sex three days later.
Where did you guys meet?
Through one of my friends.
She was friends with him and then we became friends and started dating.
Wait, so last show you guys, you said you'd broken up with your boyfriend.
Are you guys back together?
Well, yeah, we're back together, but he didn't like want to break up, break up, but he was just thinking about a little time apart because we're like together all the time.
Okay, but now you guys are back together after your last appearance on the show.
Like hearing me say I'm so happy.
Are you all back together now?
Yeah, good for you.
Congratulations.
Okay, so what about you?
Oh, I'm sorry, what was the question again?
Yeah, hold on, I got it.
Have you ever had a long-term relationship with a guy where you hooked up relatively quickly?
So for a second or third date?
I never really had a long-term relationship.
Never had any.
Sadly.
Never had...
Wait, hold on.
You're age again?
35?
I'm 35, yeah.
The longest relationship I've ever had, like, they only last like three months.
Sadly.
Why?
I think because I'm too clingy.
You're too clingy?
What does that mean?
Have you ever slashed someone's tires?
I'm sorry?
Have you ever slashed someone's tires?
No.
What does clingy mean?
Like to attach, like need their attention all the time?
Like you have like an anxious attachment.
Yeah, to have that.
Dependent, effective, dependent.
Is that the word?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Just like they give up on me easily.
So they usually end things with you after about three months?
Okay.
Wait, so the longest concurrent period of time that you've ever dated a guy was a three-month period.
Yes, that's it.
Okay.
Do you want to get married one day or have kids?
Yes.
Okay.
So, okay, your three-month relationship, how quickly would you say you guys hooked up?
Was it relatively quickly?
Maybe in like two weeks after dating?
okay so i i'm not sure if it's i'm trying to figure out how to best frame this because someone for example you could see someone only two times in a month versus i don't know how i want to or you could hang out with someone five times in the one week period so So I don't know how exactly I want to frame it.
But in any case, you said what?
Two weeks or what?
Yeah, two weeks after, probably.
How many meets?
How many meetups?
First meetup, second meetup, third meetup?
No, probably like 10 years.
Okay, moving on.
What about you?
I mean, alcohol was involved every single time, okay?
But they always come back, you know?
That's the problem.
So like, it's like, I don't have a one-night stand.
I never had a one-night stand because the ones I had, I mean, they came back, you know?
So you have, okay, but you're, so you're saying that you did sleep with the men on the first time you met, the first night you met them?
Actually, no.
Now that I think about it.
What?
Because we were always like friends before.
Okay, so cycling is a small community.
Okay, so it's you kind of, you most likely like run into each other before.
Like you most likely know the person.
You've seen him before.
Like it's just how it is.
So you know, you go to races, you've heard that name, you've seen, yeah.
You know.
Yeah, no?
Okay, surfing, for example, like you surf, right?
Sure.
Okay.
Do you, there is, are there like girls at the beach that like you see on a regular basis, like just because they're there?
Or it's all with new people?
Usually.
I mean, when you're out surfing, I mean, some people like to socialize, but I.
But just to see, like, just what you see, like, not talking to people.
Do you see faces that you're getting?
Depending on the swell, you're at fucking C Street, you're at RingCon, you're at a different spot every time.
Here in it, so you're an introvert, like introvert.
No, he's a sigma male.
He does not see women.
Focused.
Honestly, I would be the same way.
If I were having to go out and surf, I would probably just pay attention to surfing.
Yeah, like I, when I'm surfing, it's not social hour.
Like, I want to go out, catch some waves, and join myself.
But you don't notice what's around you, what people are saying to you.
I'm very aware of.
Like you, as a surfer, you have to be aware of the lineup.
You don't want to be snaking anybody, you don't want to be dropping in on anybody, but it's not social hour, especially like on a big swell, like you're not trying to fucking flirt with the chick when the waves are double overhead and there's like risk of drowning and shit, like it's not exactly your first priority.
But so your point is, like when you're not on dating apps, that generally you'll have not actually met the person the first time that you're having a one-night stand with.
So it does it constitute a one-night stand?
Well, it's just that, like you would just go hang out.
So okay, how can I explain it?
Like for anyone?
Um okay, so i'll take cycling as an example.
Is we don't go on first dates like it's more.
Somebody's just gonna hit you up and be like you're like you wanna, you know you want to go for a ride or something.
Um, you want to go do some pd no pun intended Brian okay okay um, here let's move on.
What about you?
You know Brian, I just must say I wish you would have more niggas on the show from where i'm from, that talk like I talk, because then you could get a very different opinion on things.
I think you will find out that men do can go on more than 34 dates in a month.
You feel me, it depends on who they are, where they from, who raised them.
You get what i'm saying.
So um, what's crazy is I was just telling my girl V on the ride up here from south central La you feel me from La, from the hood, is that you feel me?
I don't mean to make it a race thing, but it is a race thing because, being a black woman, i've never heard a black woman say that she's fucked on the first date and that nigga end up marrying her.
Never have I heard that.
But I have white friends and Hispanic friends that have told me they got down with the get down on the very first date and now they got a ring from that same man that fucked him on the first date.
Yeah, that's kind of my.
So how do you explain that?
That's kind of you understand what i'm saying.
How do you explain that she was good?
I don't think it got nothing to do with.
No wait, Madison was gesturing back here.
What were what?
What were you trying to do?
I just wanted to say, like my boyfriend now, like we probably hooked up within four days of knowing each other, started dating like a week or two after and now we're in a long-term committed relationship and see, that's that pisses me off, because i've never heard a black bitch be able to say that, and that really hurts me.
Like racism is alive and well, i'm getting very fucked up like that.
That's why, like it's so fucked up and people think us black bitches just be talking shit to talk well, hold on Britney, Venti is is.
You're half black, half white.
I'm a third Nigga.
I'm saying my biological mother is black.
Okay, I say was because she passed.
Yes gotcha gotcha, African American percent black too.
Oh yeah, Quadrant Power.
Y'all kill me with percentages.
Look we got.
Yeah, we need percentages.
Baby, this is a very diverse panel.
Okay, we have diversity here.
My dad is 50 Asian, but race wise he is black, with straight hair like you've got the three se going for you.
Racewise he would be black.
Yeah, I got my hair color fishing.
He's black and i'm a quarter trash.
So I don't know trailer trash, I don't.
If I say that, then everybody looking at me, crazy, I look, you got trailer jeans.
I don't look no type of white now do I. Neither does my dad, that's true.
Like white people are, like i'm 8 Polish and 25% German.
I just say my foundation shade.
Yeah.
You know?
Like.
What was the question again?
How long?
Oh, so that guy that I dated the longest for four years, I didn't have sex with him for six months.
Yeah.
The more I like someone, the longer I wait.
I do that too.
Yeah.
I think that's scary.
No, that's 100% true.
It's like scary.
I mean, I've never like gone long term with anyone that I've gone on.
I need to gather data.
I've never like have sex with them because, I mean, personally, I'm like traditional.
That's not me.
I just want to gather data.
But I don't have an Excel spreadsheet, like, literally, but I have one in my head.
And if I like somebody, I don't want my judgment clouded, so I wait.
So hold on.
And I know you want to come in here really quick, Brett.
Excuse me, Brittany.
So you're saying that the guys that you think are deserved you want to pursue for long-term relationships, you're going to make them wait for sex.
But the guys that you would not consider for long-term relationships that are not worthy, let's say, you'll just fuck them.
No, because I don't just fuck them.
I mean, I just.
You've never had a one-night stand.
Never.
So.
Have you ever slept with a guy the same night you met him?
One.
And that's the guy I make BG content with now.
So.
Okay.
But it's not a relationship.
It's not a relationship.
No.
But I make them wait longer.
You wanted to come in?
I had a question for my quadrant sister here.
So you said that in your long-term relationship, there was a hookup, even though you had known each other prior within the first few dates, and you said you're traditional.
Weren't you kind of worried that maybe it would leave an impression on him?
Because I feel like guys, as a tendency, not always, obviously, especially nowadays, will view like if she were to sleep with me on the first night, well, doesn't she do that with everyone else, sort of thing?
Like, were you worried about that sort of thing?
Not really.
I mean, like, I don't usually do that, but I did with him, and there was like alcohol involved.
But so, like, after that, we were just like inseparable and we're still together now.
And, like, with my relationship, like, we're very traditional.
I don't let him watch porn.
I don't, you know, I even like say like liking girls' photos on Instagram's cheating or anything like that because, you know, you don't need to look at another girl with me.
I don't know.
Like, I feel like I've got better stuff to do.
It's just going to bring bad stuff.
Like, to, you know.
Well, I don't know.
Like, there's only two guys on this panel, so I'm wondering if Brian thinks that.
Oh, it would, definitely.
No, no, no.
I was going to ask if he thinks that, like, if a girl slept with you on the first night, would you automatically think, like, does she normally do that?
Is she a hoe?
That type of thing?
I certainly think that some men will view it that way, but me personally, I don't necessarily think that the quickness with which a woman will hook up with you on an individual level is necessarily an indicator of past promiscuity or current promiscuity.
Why?
Because sometimes it's just like, you know, she just either wants you, it could be that she wants to be that bad.
How do you know it's not just a coat?
What do you mean?
A coat for each other.
On the guy's end.
Yeah, yeah, for like ego purposes.
Like, oh, yeah, it was just such a Chad.
You know, she had to.
It could be.
Instead of like, well, you know, she was like basically naked on her tender or whatever it was.
Well, I mean, for example, there might be girls, and I've definitely heard from girls on this who they're virgins and they don't want to wait for like the perfect in love moment.
They just kind of almost in the same way that some guys will view their virginity is like, yeah, I kind of want to just want to lose it.
So some girls will just, you know, sleep with the guy really quick, even though they're a virgin.
You don't think it reflects on the committal level at all?
What do you mean?
Like if you just met a girl, meaning there's no prior friendship, you haven't really seen her around.
You just go on the date, you met on dating hat, whatever, and she just like sleeps.
So you don't think that she did that with other guys?
Well, I mean, it could be to some degree an indicator.
I think there's stronger indicators of potential promiscuity because I don't think it necessarily, if a girl sleeps with someone quickly, that it necessarily means that they sleep with a lot of people.
For example, someone who's a serial monogamist, you know they, they could have long-term relationships and not really be into like going out partying clubbing, going on, you know, having one-night stands um, but they do, they.
They don't have any qualms with uh hooking up quickly, but they also, but they also aren't just like racking up numbers, what's that?
But wouldn't that be promiscuous?
What do you mean?
Like to do that?
Well, i'm not sure if, if uh, serial monogamy is no, not serial monogamy.
I mean like on the first night, and they're doing that a lot, like a repeated pattern of behavior.
I, I don't think that.
Uh, I I don't think you are necessarily promiscuous if you sleep with someone quickly.
I think promiscuity has more to do with uh, the amount of partners that you're sleeping with.
But wouldn't somebody who does that on the first night a lot have a lot of bodies, though they're more likely to?
Yes, but it's not.
I don't think it's a given.
It's not a given, but there's a pretty high likelihood.
I don't think that just meant that the wine was good.
I mean, I mean I slept with him.
I mean not necessarily quick.
You guys were friends prior, we meant to have sex and you know, a month or two month in, I had sex with him, which I don't think that'd be too quickly for like hookup culture now.
But um, I did that and I don't have a high body count, but I don't do that often and the context is different for yours.
I'm just saying because also, like I used to party a lot in high school, you know and um, I didn't have sex with anyone because it's just like the logic.
It comes across to me like if a woman has sex with all these other guys on the first night, they're a hoe, but if they do it with me, they're not a hoe.
That's how it kind of comes across.
I understand, like what you mean by that.
And just like because if I were a guy or or a girl looking for a long-term relationship and somebody did that on the first night especially if I were a guy and it's a girl like that would be the first thought, like what is their pattern behavior?
Like a guy would turn down pussy, like come on, okay.
Well, what?
What if it's natural?
What if you're just both feeling each other, you're really clicking and it is romantic?
Yeah like, is that okay?
Like you, just it's, it feels right in the moment?
Well I.
I would put it like this, even for me, if it felt right and amazing, that wouldn't happen for me, even if it was the perfect night and i'm just meeting this person, so and i'm clearly not the only person in the world that exists like that right.
So, but I guess it depends too like, what's your end goal?
Like I don't know, does everyone here want to get married in a long-term committal relationship?
Like, what are your standards?
Well, I mean if, what are my standards?
Or yeah yeah I, I prefer long-term relationships.
I'm not particularly interested in just uh yeah, having sex with someone once.
That's to me.
To me, that's kind of pointless.
To sleep with someone once and then never talk to them again, that's kind of like what's the for me?
It's like what's the point?
Waste of time if I want to, if I have sex with someone, I want there to be a continuity.
I want to continue seeing them uh, with the hope that it does become something long-term.
But you know sometimes whether that's on her end or there's I something.
But what's the point?
Like, what's the end game Of what?
Yeah.
Long-term relationship.
Maybe kids.
So no marriage, right?
I'm not in favor of marriage, no.
So wouldn't a woman that's like generally higher quality, wouldn't they want that commitment and security?
You mean marriage?
Yeah, if you were looking for a high-quality partner, you're spending your time with, wouldn't you expect them to want marriage?
Would I expect them to want marriage before having sex?
Or would I just want them to expect marriage in general as the end of the relationship?
Yeah, and having kids, because otherwise it's a baby mama, isn't it?
Are you saying because if you have a kid with somebody that's like just baby mama, that's like not a real family?
Because my parents are unmarried, they're still together and happy.
Yeah, some people will opt out of it and they'll be in the committal relationship still, but it is still a baby mama, right?
a baby dad well i mean in europe or even just in quebec like a lot of people don't get married and i'm sorry like calling somebody like baby mama that's a little no one would call them their baby They would say that's my girlfriend.
That's why they're calling me baby mama.
No, that's if they're together.
He wants the smoke, really.
If they're together, it's your girlfriend.
Yeah.
Right?
If you guys had a baby right now, would you just say that?
It would be your girlfriend here.
It would be your girlfriend slash baby mama or baby daddy, yeah.
No one would say that.
So then when is it a baby?
Nobody says that.
I mean, I think maybe they mean in a sense of like they're not together.
You know, like when you think of baby mama, you think of like some guy who has a pregnant, like, not pregnant, but like with a child girlfriend or not girlfriend.
They're not together.
And like they're not together.
And so that's his baby mama, but not his girlfriend.
I hear you think.
I hear you, but I've heard on so many occasions the term they use when they're not married.
Yeah, when they're not married and they have a kid is baby mama.
Even if they're together?
Because technically even if you're married, you're the baby's mama.
So it's a spouse.
Like, I don't know.
They would just say wife.
So why would they just say girlfriend or boyfriend?
My spouse.
People can be committed to each other forever or whatever and not want to sign a marriage contract.
They could just be, they could have a ceremony or whatever and just not want to do a marriage like that.
But then you as the woman, you're having the kid and what protection or guarantee do you have?
Like you have a kid with this guy.
What kind of protection for what?
Well like what if the guy just leaves you?
They could just leave you if you're married too.
But there's more of a commitment.
There's more of a commitment and a legal stake in things.
Like they have a spirituality.
Okay, so now they're tied to you because they have to be, even though they don't want to be.
No, but they will think about it more before going into it with you and having that commitment with you.
So that's my point.
It's like, what's the point if you're not getting married?
It's like you're just, it's a relationship, but it's like baby mama, baby dad.
It just seems like people don't want the labels.
Well, even girlfriend and boyfriend.
No, it's not.
Because if you're degrading your action, why are the labels?
It's a degrading word.
Somebody would call my mom a baby mama.
Like she would walk out of here so fast.
Yeah, so people clearly don't like the word, but they still do the thing that the word means.
It's only disrespectful.
If you're married, you're still the baby's mama.
So like I don't understand.
Marriage in a relationship is a marriage.
It's a baby mama.
Why is it not a baby mama?
If you guys have a baby, you're the baby.
If you're not married, it's baby mama.
And who?
Is that in the dictionary?
It's a mom and a dad.
It doesn't matter.
There's common law in places.
Marriage is kind of useless unless you're very Catholic and my dad is an atheist.
And for him, it was just something that was disrespectful to do because he doesn't believe in that religion.
So marriage was kind of off the table for him.
Well, it has a lot of benefits, right?
Like what if somebody gets into an accident and you have to be the one to get away with that?
What's the no terries are for?
What?
That the no terries?
No, no.
Oh, no.
There's multiple things.
Loss of consortium.
Like you can sign in front of somebody to say, if I die, this is what happens.
Yeah, but you sign that.
Yeah, you would have that and the same thing with like property and things like that.
But there are things that come with marriage that are beneficial to both people and it's a symbolic way of saying this is our commitment and also we have a stake in it.
So we're going to really think about it before we go into it versus baby mama, baby daddy.
Well, guess what?
I could just leave the state.
But you're assuming that it just jumps from wife and husband to baby mama baby daddy.
Like there's no type of relationships in business.
Like there's nothing baby mama baby daddy.
But if you're in a long-term relationship and it's your boyfriend and girlfriend, then it's baby mama and baby daddy.
Like where are you getting?
But by definition, yeah, you can't get it.
What is the definition of baby?
You don't have legal rights to each other.
What is the definition of baby?
We have rights to legal rights to each other.
Legal rights to each other.
That's like the mother of your child.
So if you don't have legal rights to each other, then it just jumps to be like, where are you getting that?
I just don't understand.
Because that's how the term's used.
English is how we use it.
It's not how it works.
I'm just saying you're the only one who's saying it's used like that.
Just because somebody didn't tie the knot doesn't mean that it's baby mama, baby daddy, whatever.
That's degrading.
But then why not get married then if you don't like the term?
Because maybe some people just don't want to.
Am I the only one that's heard this as a term of endearment?
I hear people say this in the positive versus.
Okay, we're getting way too caught up on the baby mama.
It seems like a lot of people don't want the discipline of the label.
Like, oh, it's just not well defined versus like, this is my wife or this is my husband versus this is a part where it's pretty late.
Like I was like 18, so the times that I heard the word like baby mama or baby daddy for the first time, that was not in circumstances that were very flattering.
Why can't we?
Okay, well, we didn't have a child and we weren't married, but we lived together.
Everything was together.
But we were gonna get married one day.
That was our goal.
So we considered ourselves as a family.
We considered ourselves a family.
But you know, we're together together, like still together.
Did he call you baby mama?
No, then that's never.
Well, that's your circumstance because unfortunately, you know, he passed and everything.
But you were planning to.
It's kind of like an extra.
So if you're planning to, it's not baby mama.
I just told you.
She's basically saying she was engaged.
So she's not a baby mama then?
If you're engaged, it's not a baby mama.
If you're married, it's not a baby mama.
But if you just have a kid and you're in a relationship, it's baby mama.
It's not partner or girlfriend.
Because the difference between not being married and legally speaking and having the baby outside of that, there's a difference in commitment.
It goes to show you.
Of course, legally, as a lawyer, we never use the term baby mama if the mother and father are not married.
Well, that's how it's used.
Plenty of people use it that are still together and have a kid.
That's how it seems to be used.
And I'm not the only one who's noticed it, she pointed out as well.
I think when people are in a relationship, they don't use it.
It seems like she even clarified when usually they're not together.
I mean, that's most of people's idea of that, but also.
I think it depends on what slang you use, though, because it's like a slang.
It could be depending where you're from, too.
But the point is, one is more committal.
Like, if you're willing to commit to someone, like, you are legally bound to them.
That's more of a commitment than just, I'm going to have a baby with somebody and there's no plans to have that commitment to me.
That is completely different.
Yeah, that's like.
So I think that's why we use the different.
If we just hooked up and we are having a baby together, then okay, but you're an accident.
Like living together, building a life together, that's different.
Okay, kind of semantics here.
Let's go back to this thing.
Okay, you said that you made a guy you wanted to be in a relationship.
You made him wait six months.
I didn't know if I wanted to be in a relationship, but yeah, six months.
Before having sex.
Yes.
And I slept naked in the bed with him and everything.
I've done that a lot of times.
Actually, every guy except one that I've had sex with, I slept a whole night in the bed naked with.
And then what's the...
Yeah.
What does it do?
I like to sleep naked.
I like being naked.
What's the quickest period of time that you've hooked up with a guy?
I just told you the guy I do BG content with now, we hooked up the same day we met.
But that was an anomaly for sure.
Okay.
What would you say is your average is of all the men you've slept with?
Two to six months.
That's such a better thing.
No, I'm like being 100%.
I'm Persian.
I grew up like I have to be home at 11 p.m.
Where would I be?
Yeah, my parents are.
I was born here.
You're 39.
No, she's 39.
I'm 28.
Oh, excuse me.
Excuse me.
Okay, you're 28.
Well, in any case, you've been an adult for.
Yeah, but even if I'm, I've only moved out like in the last four or five years.
And before that, I had to be home at 11.
Like, when would I procure said high body count?
Like, I don't even.
Did you have a car?
Yeah, but I had to be home at 11.
Like, I wasn't.
Well, to be fair, to be fair, if she's saying she's going on all these dates, right, that means that there's guys willing to go on the dates with her.
So, like, if they're already willing to do that, like, that doesn't necessarily mean she has to sleep with them, that they're getting that.
She's clearly able to, like, replicate it a lot, right?
Just number-wise.
Sure.
So, I think it's believable if you're not sleeping with every single one, if you're able to replicate it so much, just statistically.
Also.
Two to six months, that's if I like to see that.
But you're saying how bad simps are online.
I told you, I like to get to know, and if I have to say, I start filling in gaps, and I'm very analytical, and so I want to take in all the information, get to know the person, and then I'll sleep with them.
Okay.
Well, I guess, I mean, I also like making them wait.
I like making them sleep in.
Do you feel like it's like you like making them wait?
Like, I like making them control themselves.
Yeah, honestly, having sexual discipline is like a green flag.
Like, especially if you're being in bed naked with you, and you, like, and you need to be on your best behavior.
If you're not, it's no.
Do you feel like it clouds your judgment if I have sex?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
This doesn't make any sense to me because the guy who you're now currently fucking, who you do porn with, speaking of sexual discipline, you slept with him, like, the first time you met.
So, where did these rules go?
Because I knew I wouldn't like him.
He asked me, like, he asked me about my star sign, and I wouldn't like to.
You wouldn't like him?
Yeah, because he asked me my son.
So do you like him now?
No.
I mean, he's like, just to be clear, the guys you do like, you make them wait for the reward or sex.
However, the guy who you dislike, you fuck him immediately.
Well, I've only slept with seven people, so clearly I don't, if I just dislike you, it doesn't mean I automatically have sex with you.
Okay.
So what's your question?
But of the seven people you've slept with, the one that you slept with the quickest, I find it interesting that you're not.
Yeah, I liked him the least.
He met the threshold for I'll have sex with him, but he didn't meet anything.
So he's just what, very physically attractive?
No, he just felt like a vibe and I wanted BG content.
He felt like a vibe.
Yeah, he felt like he'd be good for the role and he's great for the role.
He would be good for the role.
Yeah.
But would it be better if she did just sleep with every single guy she went on a date on?
No, and I don't think it's a bad thing for a woman who waits, but I guess my sticking point with it is, is when you had a you had a way you moved previously where it was like, okay, I'm just going to hook up with guys really quick and then you did that throughout your 20s and now you're 30 and okay, now, I want to find a relationship.
I want to settle down with a guy.
Now I'm going to switch up my behavior and the guys in my past, they were all jerks, they were all assholes, slept with them.
I have to interject here because earlier you said that it doesn't reflect if the woman sleeps with you on the first date.
What do you mean?
That kind of contradicts that.
You said earlier.
I don't see, I'm not sure there's a contradiction there.
So earlier you said it doesn't necessarily reflect if the woman sleeps around or not, but then you're saying that.
No, I'm saying on the sole metric of the quickness with which a woman might sleep with someone, I don't think you can necessarily assume that she's promiscuous or has a high body count based on the quickness that she sleeps with someone.
Now, it could be a factor, amongst other factors, that might lead you to believing that, but okay, I see what you're saying, but you also said that them sleeping around a lot isn't necessarily a good thing, which I agree.
I'm anti-hookup culture in general.
Well, okay, let me ask you a question.
If a woman who's a virgin sleeps with someone the first night she meets them, is she automatically promiscuous?
It wouldn't be a pattern behavior yet, but it is a promiscuous thing to do.
It is a promiscuous thing to do, objectively speaking.
Yeah, and it seems out of behavior.
Like, is she on the beginning of promiscuity?
It's lucky.
She's on the path to promiscuity, I suppose.
But still promiscuous behavior.
is it well I I think the the obvious promiscuous behavior would be the one that immediately comes to me is sleeping with many people that That to me is the clearest definition of what promiscuity is.
Well, that's what it is.
Yes.
So what I'm trying to say is if you sleep with someone quickly, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're promiscuous.
For example, let's say the first person you ever slept with, you ended up dating them for two years, and then you were single for a little bit, and then the next person you sleep with, you then have a three-year relationship, you sleep with them on the second date, and then your third relationship, you slept with them the first night.
You've slept with three people, but all of them you slept with relatively quickly, but they all ended up becoming long-term relationships.
I don't think you could consider that woman or man in that case, promiscuous.
I think that they got lucky at that point.
Yeah, they got lucky.
That's what I was going to say.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, I still think.
That doesn't change that it's promiscuous behavior.
It is.
Because when you're doing that, you don't even know the person.
There's no commitment there at all, right?
It's not even really a situationship at that point.
You just met this person.
Yeah, you just got like a drink.
I think if you're going to make a bet, though, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
So if you don't have much to go on and you're like, I wonder what kind of person this is, then you would be like, okay, if she's doing this with me, it's a good guess to say she's done this with other people.
Now, that's not 100% sure.
Like in my situation, I've only done that once.
And so he would be wrong, but I don't think he would be wrong in making that assumption.
Which is, I think, what you're saying.
Yeah, basically.
But the point is the relationship didn't work.
And I think that's what she's talking about, is that these relationships where they just met each other, they instantly had sex.
Like, what's the odds that's going to work?
Well, it's dangerous behavior.
There's a lot of risks involved when you get that intimate with someone in general.
That's what I said earlier.
You're opening up yourself to somebody in such a vulnerable position.
There's a risk where hooking up with somebody and hookup culture is you're putting yourself in danger.
The whole point is the other person's crazy before you do anything serious.
Well, I think we should also add some context to the situation too, because, for example, certainly if you meet someone at the nightclub and you're both intoxicated and you hook up relatively quickly in those circumstances, you know, that is perhaps not the best starting point for a serious relationship.
However, if you met at, I don't know, you met in person at some sort of shared hobby or you had a conversation about expectations in the relationship and you didn't meet in some sort of party environment where alcohol was involved or another contextual thing might be people who are traveling around,
if the person that you're about to sleep with, they're in town for two days and they live 3,000 miles away from the city.
I don't think that makes it less promiscuous though.
I understand what you're saying with the different contexts of the situations, but I have to ask the question, what would someone that does partake in hookup culture and likes to have casual sex, they go on a date, what would they do?
They would have sex.
Generally speaking, they like that they would have sex with them, right?
Then what does it say about somebody if they're doing that?
They just meet someone and then they're having sex.
Because I know for me, as somebody that's against that, that I wouldn't do that.
Okay.
So I'm betting that other people, like just pattern behavior, also wouldn't want to do that.
So somebody that is promiscuous, they do sleep on the first date.
That's what a hoe would do, right?
Short-term, like slang, right?
Yeah.
So maybe there's a lot of people.
I think it does look like that she's male just by definition.
There's a probability that maybe she's not.
If you're lucky, maybe she was just really in that mood.
Maybe she just really had a good date.
There's a possibility, but very likely that she's just promiscuous.
If she doesn't text you after and she goes to you, then yeah, she's definitely promiscuous.
Yeah, but what if the guy's so ashamed?
Like what if you go into it and you're like, oh, this guy's awesome.
We're vibing.
We have so much in common.
And then it's like, don't ever touch me again.
Why would you do that?
Well, you don't know until you sleep with them.
Also, you could.
Okay, like he's bad in bed sexually in that.
Yeah, there's that too, but go ahead, Sophia.
I mean, if you could stay with them if you really like them and grow with them and figure out what works right for you and like all that.
But what if it's so bad, you're like, I don't ever want to see this person again.
No, is that okay?
Why don't you do that with getting to know them first, though?
And then you sleep.
Well, no, I'm just saying, hypothetically, like you're just like, I never want to, like, this person's into some weird shit.
I don't ever want to see, like, it ruins your image of them.
That makes sense.
You're like, no, I can't.
Like, I'm out of here.
Yeah, exactly.
Is that okay?
I can get that, but like, I mean, personally, if they're just like bad or they're virgin, I mean, you could grow with them, you know, and work sexually to like, you know, get what you like.
Yeah, that's always enough.
You don't have to just break up with someone just because they're not good at sex.
I mean, I feel that's very superficial.
If you really like them, you'll probably walk through it.
I just don't think that's like a good reason.
I think in the grand scheme of things, though, at the end of the day, it really just depends on what people are looking at.
I think if somebody wants a long-term commitment and therefore marriage should be the goal, and therefore you should do things that a person that wants to get married would do.
And I don't think sleeping around with people on the first night is something that someone wants to get married wants to do.
Yeah.
That's rare.
They're very out of practice.
Well, to get back to the original thing, though, I guess my quarrel is, you know, there can be trends that I've noticed where, for example, woman throughout her 20s, she'll gladly engage in hookup culture, sleep with people relatively quickly, and then, or she, or even, you know, within the same time frame, she'll have one standard for one set of guy and then another standard for another set of guy.
So the guy who he's just really attractive or whatever, she'll sleep with him quick.
She doesn't have any expectation of a relationship.
However, the guy she wants a relationship from, she makes him wait for sex, even if maybe he wants sex.
What's the problem, though?
Well, it's like two standards.
Well, I mean, she has a standard for the guy she wants to sleep with because she doesn't want anything else.
But like for me, like I said, the reason I wait the more I like a guy is because I don't want my judgment clouded by sex.
I want to see what kind of person they are.
I want to see how emotionally intelligent they are.
I want to get to know them.
I want to see them on a bad day.
And if I have sex with them, my brain is going to want to fill in those gaps and be like, oh no, he's great.
So I wait.
I'm not just doing it for no reason.
But it's just, it's an odd standard to have.
So what if the woman does have that standard?
Why is it odd?
Because to you, it seems like it doesn't actually matter if they have that standard that they'll sleep with Chad but not the nerd or whatever because as long as they're sleeping with you, that's what it kind of seems like.
What do you mean?
Well, because it's like you're commenting on that style, right?
Of, oh, well, will you hook up with a Chad, but then make this other guy wait?
Because he's kind of like being portrayed in this situation as a simp.
I'm not saying that waiting makes you a simp, by the way.
Obviously, like, I think waiting for sex is a good thing.
And I don't expect them to be like waiting for me.
But it's just that it seems like, because you said you're okay with a girl doing it on the first date, and you could see that being a long-term thing, but.
Who said that?
Brian said that?
Yeah.
No, he ain't.
Brian.
What?
You said you would think about marrying a bitch that lives on the body.
Well, hold on.
I'm not in favor of marriage, but.
Well, you would.
But then you expect that.
You would consider a long-term relationship with a girl that give it up on the first night.
Or kids.
You would consider that truly, deep down in your soul and heart.
It's a good question.
I mean, again, you have to understand there's other criteria with which you can assess promiscuity.
To me, I don't think the quickness with which a woman sleeps with someone is necessarily like the sole indicator of promiscuity.
But that's what they do.
But you'll be talking about these girls be out here getting ran through.
Okay, so for example, you can make the argument that women who are promiscuous, more likely than not, do sleep with people quickly.
However, not all women who sleep with people quickly are promiscuous.
So you're saying that women that aren't promiscuous do promiscuous behavior?
He's saying promiscuous.
We're looking at the, let me say, I'm not entirely following, but I think you're a little too stuck on some comment that I previously.
Some comment on the one you just made, because you're saying that women that aren't promiscuous do promiscuous behavior.
Brenda, it's not entirely.
So you're saying the only criteria for promiscuous behavior would be fucking a lot of dudes.
I understand what you mean.
Like, I mean, with my boyfriend, I did it pretty quick than like any other guy I dated.
And I don't think that necessarily makes me promiscuous, but I think you're meaning in the stance of doing it a lot.
Because you could have sex with someone right when you meet them the first night, but never do it again.
It doesn't make you promiscuous.
What does a woman have to do for you to declare them promiscuous?
Give us a list.
Is it just she sleeps with one guy on one night the first time and it's oatmeal?
Well, is it an elements test?
Are we looking at the totality of the circumstances?
Are there degrees to promiscuity?
I was distracted by her.
Give me middle finger.
Will we give me middle finger too?
Somebody said what I already addressed on the first episode I was on is that I sound like a man.
I'm so sick of people.
Your mama look like a man.
You don't sound like a man.
But to answer your question, promiscuous behavior, especially if it's repeated, right?
Only time can tell.
So promiscuous behavior.
If a woman engages in promiscuous behavior, and to you, promiscuous behavior could literally just mean sleeping with a man one time for the first time, and then it's done.
She's in that box.
She's promiscuous.
She might be.
Yeah, I agree.
She might be.
But he's saying that she may not be able to do that.
I would say so, yeah.
He would say that she's okay.
Would you say dressing?
You could change, though.
Let me ask you a chance.
Brittany, let me ask you a question.
Would you say that showing cleavage or dressing in a revealing manner is promiscuous behavior?
Well, I think that cleavage has a degree, right?
Because some women are more curvy than others.
And for example, you can't get away with wearing the same things on a societal level if you have bigger breasts than girls who have smaller breasts.
I totally understand.
That's kind of true.
So for example, I saw on one of the episodes the one where the girl flashed, which by the way was really messed up for her to do.
Yeah.
But like for example, Madison, I think her name is, right, your name?
Yes.
So like you were wearing this cute blue top, but it was like a lingerie top.
It had like garter belts on it.
And as somebody who's grown up wearing normal clothes and getting called a whore if I wear something that has like any cleavage because I'm more curvy, I get curious.
So I check the comments to see like, I wonder if anyone mentions like it's a lingerie.
I know it's fashion.
I know it's fashion, but like I noticed like in that example and in general that girls that are more petite, skinnier, they get away a lot more.
Oh no, you're in a clothes.
I mean I would borrow like some of my friends clothes that are like deecups and I would get away with pretty much anything versus they would be told like no go home go get changed.
I'd like to say also that I'm anti-porn and I noticed a comment that one of my friends sent me was that I had a top on and it's like from Brandy Melville and most of the models that they have and I was having a low shirt and someone said like it's just a tank topper.
It's a tight person.
It was like kind of like a square neck one.
Kind of yeah.
And I had like the one with the buttons down the middle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And someone said the girl with the lowest hanging top is anti-porn.
And it's like, well, I have breasts, you know, and cleavage will happen sometimes.
Any other girl that, you know, doesn't, like, it looks modest on her.
Yeah.
But even with the same, you know?
Yeah.
And I just thought that's weird because what I'm wearing has nothing to do with you know being anti-porn.
Yeah.
And obviously there's a way you could dress promiscuous and be curvy or like a skinny girl doing it too, but it just seems like there's different standards.
So I don't necessarily believe like a centimeter of cleavage equals promiscuous.
Girls have more body types.
We can't leave our tits at home, you know?
Well, I think you are a little too hyper-focused specifically on the cleavage component of what I said.
But, for example, regardless of your...
Well, that was why I added the end part.
Because a lot of people do that.
They'll literally wear the same top and one has bigger chest, one has smaller chest.
Yeah, and that's like can't relate to having big tits.
So I actually just made a video.
Sure.
I look promiscuous and everything.
My view of promiscuity, while I suppose the quickness with which you sleep with someone could make some inferences about their promiscuity, I think ultimately the main thing you'd have to look at is how many sexual partners they have, how many people they're sleeping with.
Well, how many is too many?
Yeah.
But he's saying the definition of promiscuity is sleeping with multiple people.
That's the real number.
We have to define promiscuity.
So you have very interesting definitions.
He's saying the definition, which is the most widely accepted, is somebody who has a lot of sexual partners is a promiscuous person.
That is the definition, but there's also promiscuous behavior, right?
Like there's a difference between having a little bit of cleavage or wearing a mini skirt and then like having your ass cheeks falling out of a skirt and having like your nipples almost showing.
So you're saying you're saying you could engage in promiscuous behavior though and not be promiscuous then?
Are we sure?
Does it align to where it is or isn't promiscuous in terms of like dressing fashion-wise, for example?
So he's saying that, yeah, if sleeping with someone on a first date is promiscuous behavior, that doesn't necessarily mean they're promiscuous because promiscuously.
Promiscuous has a definition.
So I think for the time it does mean that because...
do you mean the time like it just meaning they could decide meaning later on maybe they stopped doing that so to you the definition of promiscuous doesn't mean to sleep oh Oh, it's not to me the word promiscuous means to do that behavior, right?
So you're not separating behavior from promiscuous.
Like is promiscuous behavior different from promiscuous woman?
Promiscuous women have promiscuous behavior and if somebody has promiscuous behavior then they aren't necessarily promiscuous.
They are promiscuous.
So if you have promiscuous behavior for that time being unless you change later on what do you mean that time so you're so a certain amount of time does promiscuous mean that you have multiple partners or no?
Because that's what the widely accepted definition of promiscuous means.
It doesn't mean you say more than one.
I guess that's what it means.
Or I mean having many having many transient sexual relationships.
So I'll put it this way.
If a girl was a virgin but then she had an OnlyFans and she does full nude, full engaged porn on her site, wouldn't she be called promiscuous despite her being a virgin?
So you're just going to be a little bit more.
That might be the perception, but is it true?
Yes, because Thank you for the 20 gifted memberships.
Appreciate it.
Go ahead.
Yes, because that's how the language is used.
Language is used how people actually use it.
That's how, even if the dictionary says this is a wrong use it very definitely the rest time.
But if they don't know the actual definition and what something means, then they're using these words wrong.
You're using it different than how we would use it, for instance.
What makes you right?
Either there's basically saying the same thing.
It's just people are drawing the different lines.
Promiscuous women have promiscuous behavior.
But not all promiscuous behavior necessarily means a promiscuous woman.
If that's what he was saying, that distinction do you not understand?
This is some kind of logical fallacy for the moment.
I mean, if there's the message that you're sending, maybe, you know, it's if you're if you show Cleveland, you're sending define.
So you're defining promiscuous dependency, right?
Yeah.
Okay, promiscuity is inherently about sexual non-selectiveness with numerous people.
Right.
So if you have OnlyFans, that could qualify.
Even if you're a virgin, you're still posting pictures of yourself online.
You're not touching other people.
You're showing your intimacy.
While sleeping on the first date may not mean the woman is promiscuous, it does mean she has poor sexual boundaries.
Either way, it is a red flag.
Not necessarily, but it could be a red flag.
I think sexual discipline is very important.
She's being faithful.
She just slept me on the first date.
She just lied.
She could.
You did too.
Huh?
Whoever the man is did too.
He slept with her on the first date, too.
The exception doesn't make the role of people.
So, like, would you commit to a girl, she's only slept with you, but she has the OnlyFans and she's fully nude?
What is define?
One second.
She really, she okay, she's farming here.
Okay.
Sorry, repeat the question.
So if a girl was a virgin and she had full nude OnlyFans, it's pornographic.
It's intended to make men coom, right?
Coombing, yeah.
Yeah.
So she's a virgin.
She only had sex with you, right?
She's no longer virgin because she has sex with you, or she intends to at the very least, right?
Would you consider being in a long-term relationship, meaning like the equivalent of marriage and having kids with her?
Would you consider that promiscuous?
Would I consult on well, there's two separate questions there.
Would I be would I get married to her?
Would I have kids with her?
Yeah.
And would I consider it promiscuous?
Well, as far as having options go, I would much rather date a woman who doesn't have OnlyFans.
Why?
Why?
Well, it's just better.
Why, because it's not promiscuous?
Can you say that?
Is it promiscuous to have an OnlyFans?
It's a different word.
It's a different word you're doing.
I don't think having an OnlyFans necessarily means that.
There's other factors with which you can disqualify a potential partner besides promiscuity.
For example, having your nude content, for example, having your nude content online may be a boundary for some men that they don't want to have a religion.
Like she's either not exclusive with you that she's had 30 sexual partners or she's not exclusive with you as in she's had lots of people on the internet looking at it.
But why are we throwing this under the promiscuous umbrella?
Because you're saying that you want to please.
I feel like this was almost a semantic.
It's too semantic.
Because you're saying you would not prefer that.
And I agree.
I also wouldn't prefer a guy who had OnlyFans showing their bones.
That's a different thing.
So you're saying that you wouldn't date her, which is fair, right?
But you're saying that you wouldn't date her.
It's like, okay, but why?
Why do you have a virgin to OnlyFans if it's not promiscuous?
Sure.
Well, okay, for example, if I do want to have kids with a woman and she has her nude photographs online, not ideal.
The kids may be subject to bullying.
Right.
I agree.
Also, I think there's some reputational concerns of, you know, amongst people, but why?
Because it's promiscuous, right?
She's not.
I don't think it's about promiscuity.
I think it's just like a societal cultural.
Hold on, let me finish.
It's like a societal cultural thing that there are.
I think porn and showing your body naked online is stigmatized.
Not because of promiscuity, but just on its own, it's stigmatized.
Why?
Wouldn't it be because of the music?
Are you trying to get me to say that it's promiscuous?
I think you're going to be able to do that.
What would be the other version?
Because that's why I would say no.
Because I would be like, yeah, that's kind of promiscuous behavior.
I don't want that to be the father of my kids.
They have an OnlyFans.
I don't know if it's promiscuous behavior to have a bunch of people.
It's a different word.
Or can you just define promiscuous?
You can disagree on the actual underlying meaning, but I'm not sure if the word usage here is precise.
You defined it earlier, which is why I further asked you.
Because you said it's to be sexual with multiple people, and that is being sexual with multiple people.
It's having an OnlyFans.
They're not touching you.
It's translating out.
They're selling sex for money.
So wait, selling sex for money virtually is the same thing as having multiple partners?
Like, is that just promiscuous?
It is promiscuous.
Somebody define promiscuous and let's go by that definition.
Well, he says the lawyer brings me to the moment.
Non-exclusive stuck on the promiscuous.
As a lawyer, I like my terms.
At least one of them is making money.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Yeah.
Did I adequately answer your question or do you feel like I haven't addressed your?
I feel like it's either because those things that you said, like being bullied and the stigmatization, that comes from the act of it being promiscuous.
That's why it's stigmatized.
That's why you're called a hoe.
Right?
That's why she had ho in her bio, for example, because she's aware of the stigma that is.
I think taking new, like even though it's like a joke or a play on it, it's like the self-awareness of the joke.
So can you just define having an argument about the thing?
He did earlier, and I said I agree, and that's why we expanded on the question.
But let's disregard our examples.
Hold on, hold on, let me just say it.
Let's disregard this disagreement on what promiscuity is, but let's get to the actual bare bones of it.
What exactly is your argument?
Or are we just arguing about, well, what is promiscuity?
Because I think it's just, we're going to, we're certain, what's the fucking term?
Well, the point is it's bad for a reason or undesirable to certain people for a reason.
And I feel like you're not acknowledging the reason that it's bad, which is because it's viewed as promiscuous behavior.
It's a promiscuous thing to do.
And I know you don't have the definition, but he said it earlier, and I agreed with it.
So then promiscuous behavior is separate from promiscuity, as promiscuity certainly means having multiple partners and promiscuous behavior doesn't mean because you could have promiscuous behavior and not have multiple partners.
Right, but you're selling yourself sexually for men's gratification to the masses.
And that means that you have multiple partners?
Like selling physical body or selling.
So I just negated your definition.
I don't have multiple partners.
So if someone sees you on YouTube and they think you're really hot and they pause it on a hot view of you.
No, but you're jerk off to that.
That's not what OnlyFans girl is doing, though.
Her whole job.
So promiscuity to you involves selling sex.
It's not just having multiple partners.
It could be a multitude of things.
It could be selling sex.
It's generally giving out sex, even if it's transactional, even if it's just them.
It's intended to make a guy coon.
That still counts.
So you're redefining promiscuity away from his definition.
That's all I know.
No, no.
He defined it earlier as like having multiple partners.
No, he defined it earlier as giving away sex to multiple people.
I said that could also, if you rewind it, that could also apply to OnlyFans, and that's what I said.
So I was agreeing with that definition.
But your client, I mean, if the example you provided was, this girl's a virgin, she's only been with you, but she does post her nude photos.
But using the words that just came out of your mouth, that's not promiscuity.
You're selling your sex to multiple men.
Multiple men are engaging in a transaction that you're not.
You're selling your sexuality to multiple men, not sex.
You're selling digital acts.
Where's the intimacy then?
Isn't that the whole point of the relationship?
Is to have that intimacy?
You're selling your intimacy.
You're getting rid of the thing that makes you exclusive to the other person.
Like, this is something that's not a problem.
But if it's a couple.
If you're a personal sheet, they see you in clothes.
They're not going to know exactly what the person looks like naked unless they show themselves an OnlyFans.
I think we're arguing over semantics here.
but there's a difference between there's there is a difference between your girl like sleeping with other men versus her posting nude I don't know But if you were still wearing a corner, so if you were in a relationship, right?
I don't think either are ideal, but I think they're different things.
So if you were in a relationship and your girl sent her news to another guy, wouldn't you consider that cheating?
Yes.
Why?
Isn't that promiscuous?
No, it's not about being promiscuous.
I don't think that's promiscuous.
It's not a good thing.
I think we both agree it's not a good thing.
But it's cheating, isn't it?
It is cheating, but I don't know why you need to tag on the promiscuity label to it.
Whoa, I thought we were okay with adding labels here.
In that case, like, let's never call someone a ho then, right?
Forego the labels at that point.
It just seems like that's when it's interesting.
Are you just like arguing to argue?
I'm a little confused here, but convenience is not a problem.
Can I insert an example?
So, Marilyn Unro, married multiple times.
Yeah.
She was the first model for Playboy, right?
Nude.
I mean, it was in consensual, unconsensual.
Okay, then what about Imam?
David Bowie's wife.
She posed me.
She's posed nude for multiple magazines.
Heidi Klum.
I can go and name off so many models that do nude photos.
Or what about somebody that does nude modeling for art school?
It's the context.
So do you go to a museum to jerk off?
No, you don't.
Some people do.
That's why a museum isn't porn.
It's the difference.
Oh, no.
I went to the tape museum.
I fucking went hard.
Okay, let me do some super chats.
Let me do some super chats.
All right, we got Mr. Cappadocia here.
OF girls sell a product to addicts in the same way a dealer does and they rationalize it.
Then talk about ethics, right?
She knows she sells poison and knows it.
And blonde has a weird, I don't want to know complex.
Whole panel is about denial tonight.
Mr. Cappadocia, thank you very much.
This came in like over an hour ago, so I think this was related to our discussion on to me.
Yeah.
So, I mean, if somebody owns a donut shop, right, like people can enjoy the donut in moderation.
It's not a detriment to everyone who gets a donut, even though a donut could be unhealthy if you have an unhealthy relationship with food.
Right, but if you, I don't know if I'm allowed to say the word, M-U-R-D-E-R.
If someone did that to someone once, wouldn't they be considered a M-U-R-D-E-R E-R?
It says spelling behind me.
So what are you calling me?
No, no, I'm not calling you one.
Yeah, a life end.
I'm not selling a product.
My point is, my point is, if somebody, so my point is, if someone owns a bar and there are some alcoholics, but they're selling the alcohol to everybody, then are they selling a product to addicts?
Technically, some of them are, but are they responsible for that?
So porn addicts are actually a very small portion of.
But they're not the alcohol.
You are the product.
But okay, so I'm selling.
What do you, wait, what?
That's her name.
That's her knowledge here.
Let's move on.
All right.
Benjo the offender.
Hey, good to see you in the chat, man.
Ladies, if your dream man got you pregnant, but he did not want the child and you did, what would be your response to him?
Let's start with you, Sophia.
Go ahead.
I don't know.
That would suck.
What would I do?
Have the kid, I guess.
Okay.
What about you?
I would have the kid.
Okay.
I'm pro-life, so get the fuck out would be my response to that.
Okay.
Sorry.
I would have the kid and say, I see you in court, motherfucker.
Tommy.
Yeah.
Welcome.
I would do the same thing she would do.
I think definitely wouldn't be attracted.
And it wouldn't be my dream man who had that sort of attitude.
Yeah, I agree with you.
Yeah, that would definitely not be my dream man.
Yeah, exactly.
I didn't even see that part.
Go ahead.
I think it's a challenge, and if I got into that position, I think I could do it.
I wouldn't want to raise a child on my own, but I definitely think I would step up and do it.
Brittany, what about you?
Wait, well, he doesn't.
I'm not a girl.
But it's still your participant.
Wait, sorry, hold on.
Pronoun check.
I identify she, her for this question.
Okay, go ahead, go ahead.
Well, I answered that.
Well, I would find it interesting to know what a guy would do in the reverse.
Like, what if he wanted to keep the baby, but she gets pregnant?
Like, if he gets someone else pregnant, and then like she doesn't want to keep her or whatever, like the reverse.
Yeah, men can get pregnant too now, remember?
No, they can't.
What's that term?
Like, people who give birth, or what was that?
Birthday person.
Birthing people, yeah.
Yeah, no.
So, what would you do in that situation, Brittany?
But did not want the child and you did it?
I would vet them prior for that.
Think before you sleep doesn't want to have a kid.
That wouldn't happen.
We would have that discussion before.
You got the snip?
No.
Wait, are you guys waiting until marriage?
I don't know if that's too much TMI, but you guys are not.
We aren't waiting until marriage.
These are conversations we had before.
Okay, gotcha.
Okay.
That's kind of the part of why you don't have one-night stands or share sex to like.
It's a little bit.
Even the constant situations, like if you have sex on the first date but you knew each other years before and you've already pre-vetted the person, that's a little bit different than just you met the person yesterday or today before.
No no oh, Born Again.
Okay, like Chad no no we, we didn't wait.
If that's what you're asking yeah, we're joking huh, we didn't wait.
Yeah, he's joking about, about like the.
Oh, we're waiting till marriage like oh, that was a joke, he's being sarcastic.
Wait, i'm thinking of sarcasm, wasn't there?
I think, just misheard me.
Oh no no, you said that you were waiting till you two would get married for kids to have kids.
I think I was talking about the, the until after we had a conversation about and then oh, so you got wait, so you're saying that you guys hooked up on the first date.
No, i'm confused.
You went from like hooking up two babies and that yeah, what's up there?
I'm confused.
They have already had sex.
They are waiting until they get married to have children.
Oh no the the, the conversation about abortion is what he was asking right, so we would have had that conversation before we had sex is what I was saying.
Yeah, word word.
Like you should.
That's why you shouldn't have.
Like, let me ask that.
Let me ask the panel a question here related to this question from Bender the Offender, good to see you back in the chat, man.
Thank you for your patronage.
Um, what would you tell a guy in this scenario who says he gets his girl pregnant?
You know, maybe he thought, maybe she was on birth control, but you know, sometimes it's not 100 effective or in any case he doesn't want to have the kid?
Would you tell the guy you should have just kept it in your pants like no, he took a risk though.
Yeah, I would.
It's like a little too late for that.
Like okay, do you think, is anyone here pro-choice?
Just out of curiosity, i'm kind of.
I'm kind of like kind of it depends on the situation.
You mean, throw abortions on a lot of things.
Like obviously, I think everyone at the table is going to agree.
Like yeah, no third term and things like that.
Yeah, so don't have a mother, or something like that.
Yeah there's, there's certain nuances okay, but what about, just like a woman who don't get me started?
Yeah, I don't know how deep we want to go down the rabbit hole on the bottom less friendly, it's fine.
I think abortion, talking about abortion is fine but um, you might get flagged.
I think you'll just get demonetized.
I think people would just get annoyed too.
No, it's just already demonetized.
Uh, kind of a little bit, but uh yeah, Interesting that people, for example, who might consider themselves pro-choice, you know, they might say, well, it's a woman's choice, blah, blah, blah.
And they would scoff at someone telling a woman who's opting to get an abortion, well, you should have kept your legs closed.
But when it comes to men who are in the identical situation, you often hear from people who might consider themselves pro-choice, oh, well, you should have just been more careful.
You should have not had sex then.
But if you were to say that to a woman who opts for an abortion or wants to get an abortion, not fair, like the prior question.
No, they're both stupid things to say, although they're true, but like, you know, it happens.
It's like, oh, well, it should have.
I feel like, I feel like.
Are you on whip hits, by the way?
Are you still like, did you take drugs before you came here?
I don't know.
All right.
Okay, here.
Let's move on.
Mr. Cappadocia, ladies, fill out your dating profile.
Do you vape/slash smoke?
Do you have pets?
How many?
Ooh, Cappadocia, you're killing it.
Okay, political leaning, most unusual turn on.
Just for the sake of moving the conversation along, I'll have the girls answer one of these.
So let's do the political leaning question.
What are your political leanings?
Starting with Miss Brittany Venti.
That's Princess Brittany Venti.
I think I would lean right, but I think I'm one of those people that's like technically politically homeless.
I feel like that's becoming more common nowadays.
Sure.
Because it depends on what the thing is, right?
It's like I'm pro-gun.
Are you pro-Trump or against Trump?
Depends which year you ask, right?
This year, right now.
Depends what his policies are.
No, no, right now, right now, at this moment.
Is he saying he'll lower my taxes?
Whoever's lowering my taxes, who I'm okay.
So libertarian.
I guess it depends who's running, literally, because like that Kennedy is running, he's running as a libertarian-like mentality, like more in the middle.
Are you talking about it?
It depends.
It depends who it is.
I'm not going to be like, oh, I'm always going to vote Republican or always committed to being Democratic.
That seems dumb.
Like, why wouldn't you just go by policy?
But yeah, I'm pro-free speech, pro-right to own a gun to defend yourself, especially being a woman, you're four times weaker.
You should.
So are you happy that Elon Musk took over Twitter?
You know, he needs to unshadow ban my account because you can't even untick the thing about like sensitive content and he won't even undershadow me.
So I'm disappointed with Elon.
Since you identified she, her, I guess this applies to you.
That's the last question now.
Well, he says ladies.
Oh, okay.
Political leanings.
It's probably center-right.
I would have been more, like, I think the more you listen to politics, the more you listen to what types of people, like, you think, like, like, Dan Crenshaw had a very hardware lean, and then during COVID, he changed a little bit.
So I thought seeing people on the right do the kind of things that I was very, very against, people on the left doing, and people, the people on the left doing kind of things that they would say they wouldn't do, like, pushed me a lot more center.
Sure.
Everybody's kind of an asshole on politics.
Got it.
What about you?
So I actually got started on this whole online thing because I'm so against like politics in pop culture.
So I watched Star Wars and I went and saw the Disney, you know, the last Jedi and I was like, what the is this?
Because they started putting politics into Star Wars and I'm very against that.
And I honestly have no interest in politics, so I'm not even educated enough to talk about it.
But I'll answer one of the questions.
Did you vote?
I let my partner vote for me, so he picks.
Isn't it illegal?
No, no, no.
Like, I'm just like, what are you?
Do you want to repeal the 19?
No, no, no, no.
That's not what I'm saying.
She has a point, though.
Actually, think about it.
Because if you're in the same household and you're like voting against each other's interests, like cancel.
It's so weird.
It sounds like a divorce happening.
No, no, no.
That's a person.
Yeah, shared values, pretty important.
In the last California election, I did go and I was reading the policies, and so it wasn't based on what party is for which one.
Did you vote for a Newsome?
Fuck nope.
Oh, my God.
Let's try to keep it moving, though.
Hale's Newsome.
Okay, what about you?
I don't know, but he won, so I mean.
Don't worry about that.
Go ahead.
I will just say I'm apolitical because for me, I itemize everything and there's no one party that has everything.
Word.
What about you?
Libertarian left, center left, I would say.
Okay.
Byronique, what's up?
From the streets, baby, I don't do all the politics shit.
Obama for life.
You understand what I'm saying?
That's all I'm going to say, baby.
I don't know what that left-right shit y'all talking about even me, baby.
Obama, bring it back.
Okay.
I like your vibe.
What about you?
Right.
Okay.
Trump 2024.
Let's go.
I don't know much about politics, I'm not sure.
Fair enough.
I'm moderate.
Okay.
Arsa, you described yourself, Sophia, as a radical feminist last time on the show.
Is that still the same?
Yeah.
Okay.
What does that mean to be a radical feminist?
You already asked me this last time.
Well, there's some new people here, there's some new viewers, so why don't you...
I mean, I feel like it's a broad definition to define it, you know, with feminism and whole.
I mean, like, the dictionary definition is, like, you know, the women's rights.
And here in America, I feel like my feminism, like, for me, as a feminist, it's more so of like a social thing, the social standards in society for me.
I mean, the only right, like, rights we're like, oops, sorry, working here for is like abortion.
But my opinions about abortion.
So are you, like, I think I know what you mean because I've seen, because radical feminists is really different in the dictionary definition than how it's actually applied on the internet.
It more of a means like right-wing feminist.
That's more of how I see it.
In terms of their cult humorous stuff.
So are you like anti-woke, for example?
A little.
I mean.
Like, do you like offensive humor?
Like, how do you feel about like certain offensive words, things like that?
I mean, I think, you know, some offensive words are offensive because they're, you know, offensive.
But I don't really think about that too much about the wokeness thing or whatever.
Because, I mean, I think it's okay to not like, you know, normalize like, I don't know, little, like, racism, but not to, like, the biggest extent.
So how do you feel about like cancel culture, for example?
I think it's kind of stupid.
Okay, well, there you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you're not a third wave feminist, are you?
She's a fourth wave feminist.
But one thing is that I would say a radical feminist because I'm very anti-porn.
Yeah, that seems to be one of the biggest definitions.
You're an actual feminist, like at the pure definition of that.
That's why, because like with liberal feminism, I'm pretty sure they're like super like only fans this and that.
They think promiscuous is empowering.
Like men didn't make that up.
And so that's why I kind of like come to terms with radical feminism is what I'd call myself because if I just said feminists, they'd be like, oh, liberal feminists, you know?
Yeah, you have like blue hair.
Yeah.
Like fuck every person that comes into the room.
Yeah, so one thing is like, that's why I say radical feminism or feminist because I'm very anti-porn.
And I agree with some of their other things, but that's one of my big ones.
But are you one of those feminists that you have to tear down a man to rise women up?
Because that's what's going on in comics right now where they have to switch out all the male superheroes with female superheroes because that's the only way that they feel it's empowering to women.
No.
I mean, I think one thing is that there's a problem with that where like on both sides like with feminism and I don't know what the other side would be, but like maybe let's just say red pillars, like they're creating this war between like men and women.
They're both doing it.
It's very divisive.
Yeah, and we need to stop dividing each other and come together.
I mean, biologically, yes, we do have some differences.
But like one thing, like calling a woman emotional, I mean, I just think that's a little insensitive.
It's not true.
I mean, we're caretakers.
We have empathy.
But we're not emotions.
We're emotional.
Well, men are emotional.
My men are emotional.
Men are emotional too.
Being emotional is not a bad thing.
It's just one thing that's not a problem.
It's very feminine.
It's just society is stigmatized being emotional.
Another thing I have a problem with is this feminine-masculine stuff.
I mean, that's the thing.
It's like, I mean, noun definition, feminine means female, you know, sex or gender.
And the adjective definition could be like, I'm trying to think, there was this one word I just didn't really like, but it was, I can't remember it, but it's just like, you know, emotional is one, and another one is, I'm trying to think of the word.
I can't remember it, but it was.
Okay, are there temperamental differences between men and women?
I mean, I'd say, yeah.
I mean, with to talk, we balance each other, right?
Yeah.
But like the modern, like, super leftist feminists would say no.
They would say men and women are exactly the same.
Some of them have said like dumb things like women are just as strong as men.
When that's obviously very scientific.
That's a very small sarcasm.
Oh, God.
That's like a modern tropes of whatever.
Marxist, communist, feminists.
Yeah, I think she said that there's no physical strength differences between if you look at the world records, it's like double.
Like the highest deadlift for a man is like 1,200.
The highest for a female is like 500.
Yeah, they've done that for like grip strength too.
Like they'll just take out the population, just a bunch of ton of women, ton of men, compare their grip strength.
It's pretty, I mean, it's kind of self-evident that there's strength differences naturally between men and women.
Sorry, Sophia, go ahead.
I think you were about to talk about the patriarchy and the pressure.
I never brought that up.
She brought up divisiveness.
That's more like a lefty thing.
Because I see how a lot of rad femmes are on Twitter and things like that and forums and things like that.
It's very different in terms of how they think, in terms of what's offensive or being delusional, things like that.
But I agree with the divisiveness thing in regard to like red pill.
Now it's been co-opted to mean like manosphere, red pill, whatever term you want to use.
It's very much like the same thing that feminists are.
Hold on, just to say $100.
If you can't define your feminism or other brands of feminism, you're probably not a feminist.
Mr. Meepal, thank you for the TTS, much appreciated.
Do you have a response to him?
I mean, like I said, it's a very broad thing to define.
I mean, I said the dictionary definition, if that's good enough for you.
Which is like a Camille Polya feminist.
You know, like the dictionary definition for feminism is the rights for women rights or whatever.
It's because it's niche.
That's why it's like a very niche thing versus like leftist feminism, communistic feminism.
It's very popular.
And like I said, I mean, for America, I'd say it's more social for me with my feminism that I personally believe.
And in other countries, I mean, with radical feminism, another thing is we do care about other countries and what women's problems are there, you know, because it's like we're not all living in America.
America's not just one place, you know.
And all over the world, there are problems in different countries and third world countries.
So I do care about that as well.
But specifically here in America, I'd say it's more a social thing than a right thing, like policies, government, you know, all that.
But I mean, you just said you were fighting for equal rights for I never said I was fighting for equal rights.
Equal rights is BSR.
I thought I heard equal rights, but maybe you were referencing other countries.
What do you think about, do you believe in the patriarchy?
Yeah, I believe in it.
No.
What's the problem?
Oh, now I changed my mind.
What's the patriarchy?
I mean, it's a system.
Well, like, I'll say my definition on that is that it's a thing, a social thing, a society thing that is causing disadvantages for women and men.
It's not just lifting up men.
It causes problems for you as well.
I mean, like, with the red pill stuff, I mean, like, telling guys that they shouldn't cry.
I mean, we're human beings.
You have emotions.
Use them.
Okay, well, there's a lot there.
I'm not sure exactly how to do it.
I mean, like, the patriarchy, vulnerability is, like, a thing.
I mean, men are being told not to show emotions.
And, I mean, society does that.
Communities do that.
Your environment does that.
And a whole bunch of other things.
I mean, I don't disagree with you that perhaps men are taught to not be vulnerable, but I think let's keep it within the context of romantic relationships.
Men are typically, if men are vulnerable in front of women, especially early on in a relationship, they're typically punished for that.
So it's reinforced.
Men's supposed lack of vulnerability is reinforced by women's punishment of said vulnerability.
I mean, I don't think that's always true.
I mean, just because one girl says on Fresh and Fit, like, oh, if a man cried, I'd break up with him.
Or if my boyfriend cried, I'd break up with him, that doesn't mean all women are.
Okay, let me ask you a question.
Would you say, generally speaking, that women are attracted to men who approach them in a confident way or men who approach them if they're a bit shy or nervous?
I mean, women are all different.
We all like different things.
Generally speaking.
I mean, generally speaking, it depends on the person.
I mean, some like confidence.
I mean, I'm just saying that, like, you can't just generalize everyone.
That's another problem, is we're generalizing everyone, men and women.
And it's selling ourselves shorts because we don't all like the same thing.
I like shorts, though.
Would you, Brian, or any guy?
Would you be turned off by a woman who cries in front of you early on or you're like, she's way too emotional?
Yes.
So it's the same thing.
Yeah, if a girl cried on the first date, I'm like, okay, what's going on here?
You're going to think, okay, this girl's like, she has issues.
Sure.
Maybe not want to go out with her again.
Yeah, but I'm not sure if that's a one-to-one to the example I gave where a guy's a bit shy or nervous when approaching you.
Oh, yeah, that's, I mean, two different things.
I think that's...
I mean, some guys like shy guys.
I think guys approaching it all.
Vulnerable is different than being emotional.
Okay, so how does someone being nervous versus confident relate to being confident?
Well, that's being, if you approach a girl and you're a bit nervous, maybe, let's say a confident guy approaches a girl and then a nervous guy approaches a girl.
Neither of them are creepy, but one guy's kind of a bit nervous and then the other guy's confident.
Who do you think is going to be more successful?
The confident guy, but if the confident guy later has a vulnerable moment with you, that's fine.
Right, but this idea that vulnerability is some sort of desired trait.
It is, it is.
I don't think vulnerability is.
Hold on.
Wouldn't it be a vulnerable thing instead of just being the super mega confident guy to like actually maybe you approach a girl and hey, you're not Superman.
Maybe you are a bit nervous.
I think if a guy is like, hey, I'm really nervous, but you're so, I think that's fine.
Yeah.
Men don't really know what that is.
I think a lot of women, you can say that, but a lot of women are going to look at a guy who approaches them like that versus compared to a guy who just steps confidently and the guy who steps a bit nervous or a bit shy or whatever, he's going to be punished for it.
No, we're going to look at so many other factors.
Like, are we physically attracted to him?
What did he say?
Like, there's so many people freaking out?
Does he have like a nervous side of Nick Flick movies and like he's still like the taller guy, the guy who works out and generally the one that women like?
You might think of hockey.
Yeah.
I think there's another side to this coin.
Okay, what if a guy is confident, but his confidence is like, you know, you're walking down the street and you get cat called by a guy, he's like, hey, mommy, what's up?
You looking good.
Like, even though that's confident, that's not attractive.
Well, I think that goes into the realm of cocky.
I mean, but cocky and confidence kind of go.
Are confident men not vulnerable ever?
Huh?
Are confident men not vulnerable men?
They can be.
Okay.
I think all people are capable of being vulnerable, whether by choice or circumstance.
Yeah, so just because someone approaches you and they seem more confident doesn't mean that they're not a vulnerable person in other like am I out of touch here?
Is it not a thing that women are attracted to confident men?
Am I off base here for saying that?
Is that a stretch to say that women are vulnerable or not mutually like you can be both either mutually exclusive?
I feel like when you're vulnerable, if you're like, oh, hey, I'm nervous to a girl, I feel like that's kind of confident because if you're like, oh, hey, I'm really nervous, but I found you really attractive.
Let me ask you guys a question.
How important is like when you're first meeting a guy, how important is the vibe or the guy being able to carry a conversation?
Would you say that?
That's very important.
Would you say that's fairly important?
Do you think a guy who's shy and nervous is as capable as a guy who's confident of eliciting said vibe?
I'm going to be honest with this.
Hold on, let me just finish.
Who is as capable of eliciting the vibe or being able to, you know, maneuver a conversation that feels good or organic?
I think those are different traits, though.
Like, that's different than vulnerability.
That's confidence.
Being shy and nervous is being vulnerable.
There's a crucial detail that you are neglecting here.
Like, is how hot is he?
And this applies to both men and women.
Like, how much are you willing to, like, something that's quirky on an attractive woman is maybe like weird on an ugly girl.
That's what I mean.
If you get cat called by a guy that's like really hot, what are you going to do?
Like, huh, getaway model.
Like, no, you're going to be like, hi.
That's not always true.
I mean, I feel like that's a good idea.
I mean, come on, give me a break.
It's not always true.
It doesn't mean that if you're hot, you're going to pass for everything, but it certainly allows a little more wiggle room.
If you're cat calling someone, I don't think most of you are going to be able to get away from that.
Okay, well, let's find that.
No, how long is it annoying?
If it's a really hot guy and he's vulnerable.
People, like, there's that one thing or like that meme where it's like an ugly guy, you know, the drawing, and it's like, oh, yeah, and it's like sexual harassment.
the HR mean and it's yeah and it's like there's the difference between harassment And then like an attractive guy doing the same thing and it's like flirting.
And I feel like there's no difference.
If you are cat calling someone, if you're doing something.
It depends on the road.
If they're like a baby girl, like no matter how they look, it's like you're crime.
No, I'm like terrified of that regardless of how hot.
There is definitely truth when it comes to like two guys that are exhibiting the exact same behavior.
If one guy's really attractive and the other guy's, you're not attracted to him, you might say that guy's creepy.
And then the really attractive guy, he's just flirting.
Depends on that.
Or if you're doing aggressive, I mean, five years are in that.
One is not aggressive enough.
Step one, be attractive.
Step two, but there's still social understanding.
Like, I mean, for guys, you still have to work out.
You still have to dress properly, do your hair properly.
So there's still some sort of social skill in being physically attractive versus the guy who, I don't know, it's like wearing like a stained t-shirt or something like that, or like not working out, it can't be strong, can't protect you.
I don't know, but this whole idea of that men should be vulnerable.
I don't think that's a way to say, is it just in the context of approaching someone?
Well, that's one example I've seen.
That's one example.
So, if a guy's confident approaching you, but then later he's going through something and he opens with you and he's vulnerable and he maybe even cries.
Maybe somebody died.
I don't think that's I think a lot of women would, for example, like if a woman saw her boyfriend or partner get beat up in a fight, look, I don't know if they've done a study on this shit, but like, there's a, I would say a fair amount of women would lose attraction for their partner in that situation.
I don't know.
How hard did he fight back?
Yeah.
How hard did he fight back?
You want to talk about the Joe Rogan?
Yeah, there was a Joe Rogan interview, and obviously, look, this is one singular woman who happened to be an MMA fighter, but she was, you'd almost think because she's an MMA fighter, she would almost have more of an understanding.
But she said, hey, I was at a fight with my boyfriend.
I was there in the corner, and he got knocked the fuck out.
And I shortly broke up with him afterwards because it was just so, I lost attraction to see my partner who, you know, the way that he reacted by the time that he was hitting the floor, that was the face that he made.
Like, how are you such so bad at like getting beat up?
At least, like, take it.
But it was, I think, so that's a lack of maturity, though.
Can someone be confident enough to be vulnerable?
Like, doesn't vulnerate.
Exactly.
Like, in martial art, there's some pride into just losing with dignity, and he totally lost it.
And that's what turned her off.
You're on the side of the, I think her name was Miriam, Miriam Nakam.
I'm into martial arts as well, so I can kind of understand where she's coming from.
Oh, so, okay, if your boyfriend got scorched up in a fight and made some like face, then you'd like a little loser face that can't take this right ill.
Okay, but hey, don't be vulnerable.
Hold on.
Because I think.
Take it like a freaking man.
What's the point in pointing this out?
You could say the same thing for the statistic about how men leave their terminally ill wives.
What would you point me pointing that out?
I mean, there's a demonized self.
A guy who tries to be tough is not.
Genders leave, are more likely to leave their partner if there's some sort of illness.
I don't know what the status is.
But men do it more often.
I don't think that's a good idea.
Yeah, well, that's not a problem.
A lot of men right after that.
I definitely think women are leaving their partners more often in these terms.
And you're thinking that because, well, as a man, if you're in the provider role, you know, if you've got some fucking, you got cancer or some shit, you're less than a year.
Is there a woman in a nurturing role?
If the stats disagree with you, well, how do you explain that?
Because they do.
Disavow.
Okay.
Disavow, that's for sure.
So aren't the women nurturing anymore?
Like, that's something that women out of it.
I don't know.
I could be wrong.
I don't know the stats specifically on this topic.
Either they or you just don't want to look at them because they disagree with you.
Because I took care of my mouse.
First off, I think a lot of issues with a lot of statistics is there's this issue when it comes to studies of not being able to duplicate replicability.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like I, you know, that's been replicated.
Okay, so what's the Google search I look up?
Because I'll look it up.
Who do I look up to find this?
Who?
I mean, just type in the question.
Who's more likely to leave?
Men leave their terminally ill wives.
Men leave terminally ill wives more frequently.
Well, it's just to find the statistic.
But my point is, like, it's kind of divisive to point out this other statistic when you could easily bring up ones like this that demonized men too.
Also, no statistics.
Okay, here's what I found.
This also violates my marriage vows.
Here's what I found.
Wait, can I say this real quick?
One thing I'd say is if you break up with your boyfriend just because you lost a fight, like solely off.
I don't know the whole thing, like what happened there, but solely off that, why can't we just say they're a shitty person?
Why would you break up?
You literally love the boy.
Like, it's just that.
There's probably other problems.
I think there's an evolutionary biological argument you can make.
If a woman witnesses her partner, her boyfriend, get fucking scorched in a fight, somewhere in the lizard brain, she's going to be thinking, is he going to be capable of protecting me in some sort of self-defense scenario?
So even if it's not, you don't intellectualize it, you're like, okay, well, I still love him, blah, blah, blah.
There could be somewhere deep down inside you where you're like, you lose attraction for that guy.
But they don't act on all the guys who got knocked out.
They're not going to get out in fights in the MMA, and they're so with their women.
What's that?
How many other guys in the MMA got knocked out?
And they're so hard to fight back.
You have a biological inclination to be racist, but you reason your way out of it.
Yeah, you have an in-group bias selection, group selection.
Yeah, I was just reading it.
It's not about getting knocked out.
It's about how you get knocked out.
How you react to that?
You do, though.
We don't solve it.
We're not just all action.
We're not in this to our evolution and our biology.
And so a lot of people reason can override your genes.
So if you like somebody, you're not going to be like, oh my God, he can't protect me if my neighboring village comes and attacks.
I don't think we are 100% beholden to our evolution necessarily, but there are certain things that could have an impact in a relationship.
Do you want to be with someone where you get beat up and they don't like you because you, like, is that the kind of person you want to be with?
Or do you want someone to be aware of that?
I wouldn't, but I mean, I would assume that it's not an attractive thing to see your partner get fucking scorched in a fight.
You have to be unattractive 24-7 to your partner to be aware of that.
Well, would you want to be with someone that lost respect for you and doesn't respect you anymore as a human being?
Why would you want to do that?
I don't know.
That doesn't happen.
Well, obviously it did with her.
It happened.
Look, I'm not saying all women are going to hold it.
But what if we were to say the same thing and like, oh, well, there's guys out there.
Once their wife gets pregnant and now they have stretch marks and had their kiss, now they're not attracted.
Now they want to leave them.
These guys out here.
Yeah.
You should all get beat up.
It wouldn't seem like I'm pushing a narrative.
It just seems like dodge bullish.
Like, what's the point?
Well, would you agree that that may very well be the case, though?
That for some men, after a woman goes through pregnancy, they do, they may very well lose attraction for their partner.
But if I said that, I would get called a feminist.
I would get called like literally.
I'll say it for you.
I mean, that does happen, though.
I mean, men do lose attraction for the wives when they get pregnant.
Men and women lose attraction for their partners.
So it's a wide variety of reasons.
And wives are shitty men, and those are shitty women.
They weren't best friends in the first place, I think, if they do that.
Because if two people are best friends in the first place, I don't think that they would give up on each other that quickly over stretch marks.
Like, I think it's their relationship has to be deeper than death.
You dodge a bullet if she's leaving you because you got jumped.
Like, you dodge, that's a great thing.
Bye.
That's the right thing you should do.
Like, I can tell you.
I mean, did you literally just get blown the fuck out?
Is that why you tried to leave?
You're blown out.
What's that?
She's trying to derail the podcast.
Yeah, I'm trying to hang down or something.
So, okay, according to this study, it says women, a woman is sick.
It's bullshit, but obviously bullshit because that, you know, I'm an expert.
Arbiters, a woman is six times more likely to be separated or divorced soon after a diagnosis of cancer or MS than if a man in the relationship is the patient.
Six times, I don't buy it.
I don't know if it's six times, but this has been replicated.
You know what's not been replicated, though?
Your 2018 graph of sexlessness.
The Guardian says it's seven times more likely.
Yeah, but you said anytime you're a specific you bring up, and you'd be like, The 2018 graph you show is not replicated in any other year, yet you love to show that graph.
must be some other factors here donated $99 this lawyer female has been unironically woman explaining this entire time with her pseudo intellectualism guys she's a lawyer Brian she's a lawyer ladies she's a lawyer chat she's a lawyer Everyone, don't forget she's a lawyer.
He's been writing this multiple times.
I think, yeah, I've seen him write this multiple times and pay you a lot of money for it, so you're welcome.
I am also an OnlyFans creator.
You should subscribe.
Haram.
Okay, let me pull up some other chats here.
All right, pot.
Brittany, would you be down to read this one?
Which one?
The on the screen.
Why?
Oh, my God.
Come on.
Help me out here.
My voice is hoarse.
It says let Helmet Girl read it.
That's imagining.
Oh, shit.
Okay, I didn't even see that.
See, I didn't even read it.
Okay.
I don't think Madison can hear Madison anymore.
It's doing like the round reader of the classrooms.
I'll trigger it again.
Please let Helmet Girl read this.
The only girl ever on this podcast who rates a 10 overall is Kaiser Helmet Girl.
Beautiful face, beautiful smile, beautiful figure, beautiful personality, commitment, monogamy.
That's why her boyfriend put a ring on it.
Oh, congratulations.
Oh, no, it's just a promise ring.
It's a promise ring.
It's a promise.
That's so cute, though.
Yeah, that is really cute.
All right, rock and roll.
Thank you, man.
We have, hold on here.
Let me get caught up on some super chats.
Let's see, we have, did we do this one?
Yeah, we did this one.
We have.
All right.
You know what?
I think Think Before You Sleep Here should read this one.
Oh, God.
I'm like in front of the glass.
Marriage is a legal commitment between two people to accept the benefits and be recognized as such.
Historically, it was a security rooted in religious standards and intended to be forever, but with divorce being more common, I believe it's losing its value and meaning.
Word?
Word Merimore.
Hey, good to see you back in the chat, man.
Thank you for this community enforcement, community help, and stuff like that.
So we're missing a lot of things that people had in the past, and that's why their relationship is easier to be faithful.
Oh, let me wait until Brittany's back to read that one just because.
What happened to Mike Davis, Brian?
I don't know.
Mike Davis, where you at?
He got ate by a bear.
Okay, wait.
I'll wait until Brittany's.
Oh, this one, he did it as a TTS.
And here, lawyer girl, do you want to read this?
Yeah, this is the same.
I told you, he's done it a bit more.
Yeah, can you read it again?
Hey, guys, just a reminder, she's a lawyer.
She's a lawyer, guys.
That lady is a lawyer.
She's a lawyer.
Everyone, don't forget she's a lawyer.
Holy sh God, shut up.
Nobody cares.
You care.
You just paid $200 to say that.
Did she get commission on that one?
Because it's like, say your lore a couple more times.
He's already so much.
I'm a lawyer.
I think he's already subscribed.
Yeah, he's probably subscribed.
And his name is Suits.
What's the lawyer's name?
Jasmine Jafar.
Yo, Curtis Reynolds, big thank you for your very generous super chat here.
Thank you, man.
There are many flavors.
I think he meant as many flavors of feminism today as there are genders.
There's all kinds of feminists.
I mean, I don't think you should compare that to genders.
I think it's sarcasm.
I know, but I'm just saying.
I just think that's stupid comparison.
Shots fired.
Okay.
Leif Erickson, thank you for the many guesses.
Argentinian.
Henry Cavill Catfault calling you a suit.
Henry Cavill.
Oh, excuse me.
The Witcher.
Supername.
Yeah, I just wanted to say that.
Yeah, that one's for me.
What is ARS?
Anybody, what currency is that?
Chat?
ARS?
I don't know.
Argentinian.
Argentina?
Anybody?
Chat?
Hello?
Thank you very much.
Yeah, exactly.
Leif Erickson, thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
We have the sweet tea guy, Brian in TBYS.
Love your stuff.
Think before you sleep.
Quick review of the manga gants.
It's a favorite of mine and always wanted to hear you talk about it since you mentioned it a couple times in corn posts.
Community posts.
Okay.
Oh, excuse me.
Community posts.
I thought I gave a review of that manga.
It's like it's a manga that's very hard to recommend because there's a lot of weird stuff in it, but the story base, if you remove the weird stuff from it, it'd be like a really, really good story.
So probably we'll never get an anime.
All right.
We'll never get a good anime because they cut it halfway.
We have the real Mr. Meatball here, and he says, promiscuous means actively sleeping with a lot of people.
Baby mama is mother of baby out of wedlock.
So baby mama is not excuse me.
Oh my god.
Baby mama's a sling.
Thank you.
This doesn't mean that's impressive.
Yeah, that's wild.
I drank water before I got back.
Okay.
Is it like a gastrointestinal thing?
I don't know.
Is it all the time?
It's when I drink things.
When you drink things?
Yeah.
Okay.
Or if I eat certain acidic foods.
So maybe it's like reflux.
Okay.
It's because we had alcohol last night.
Do you burp in your sleep?
No.
I wonder if it's worse for someone to be a snore or sleep burper.
Can you burp in your sleep?
I assume you can.
She said no.
How do you feel about that?
Is that possible to burp?
Is it hot?
Probably not.
Are you neutral?
I'm neutral on it.
Okay.
Well, it's not like I can control it.
Earlier, you could see I'm trying to cover it, but like, I can't.
Like, sometimes I try to mute it and it gets more basic.
So how was school for you?
Was school fun?
Did you?
I don't think it was happening when I was that young.
I think that happened more over like later in my teens.
Is there a reason?
I don't know.
I wish I could have insurance.
That should be hard.
That should be Britney's channel.
Think before you burp.
In my opinion, it's probably acid reflux because the better she eats and the less alcohol she drinks, the less she's afraid.
I have an acidic stomach too, like you need to take like- Okay, we don't need to talk about it.
Sorry, I had allergies.
I don't want to put Brittany on the spot with the burping stuff.
Okay, promiscuity is the practice of engaging in sexual activity frequently with different partners or being indiscriminate in the choice of sexual partners.
Activity would entail.
Wait, activity would entail OF any photos and dress.
I agree with the first definition of sexual activity because that's why you would consider it cheating.
Most people in committed relationship if their partner sent news to the opposite gender or if you're gay, I guess, the same gender.
It says frequently, so what if they did it once?
It would still, it would still be promiscuous.
I mean, I feel like you don't use promiscuous as an adjective to describe something, you know?
I mean, like, in like the 1950s and for a while after that, sex or sexuality was promiscuous.
That's how we would describe it.
I mean, I need to talk, like, if we talked about sex, even if you had sex with one person, you were described as promiscuous.
Since you're making the claim, you need to define.
That's all I'm saying.
The person making the claim, an affirmative claim, needs to define the term.
Your definition wasn't.
I'm getting tried.
You just got lawyers.
Your definition wasn't matching your own.
I'm contradicting yourself.
Yeah, so if you are having sexual activity with multiple people, meaning including like images, anything like that.
So now you're considering, so what's sexual activity?
So, for example, if you were on OnlyFans selling newts, that would be a sexual activity.
If you were to literally have sex with someone, that would be sexual activity.
But you said some outfits.
If you kiss someone, that still counts, even though still having sexuality.
But you said some outfits, but you said some outfits can be.
So that's sexual activity.
Some outfits are promiscuous.
So if you go to a strip club and they're not wearing anything, they're dancing.
Yeah, that's sexual activity.
Is a man who is masturbating to multiple different online girls promiscuous?
If he's looking at a lot of different women online, is he promiscuous?
Could be.
Could be.
He could be.
I mean, masturbation.
You guys who are watching porn, and it's not just one girl, or even if it is not promiscuous.
But in my definition, because if I'm in a relationship, if somebody consumes porn, like I would consider that breakup.
So if they're single, then it's not promiscuous?
It would be crispies to me.
And what about the girls who just don't do offering a single person?
What if they're single?
Are they still promiscuous?
Bikini pics on Instagram.
Are they promiscuous?
So your question was.
I think we're beating a dead horse on.
I feel like we already talked about it way too much.
By the way, it was Argentine peso.
I just told that.
Oh, okay.
I didn't hear you.
How much was it in America?
Here, let me do that.
Yeah, wait.
What was it?
$1,000?
$1,000?
It's probably $10.
Aren't they in like a financial collapse?
I just know Redmean good.
Huh?
Wait, 1,000 Argentine pesos is.
what i almost don't want to reveal it because how much is it i think it's like a million dollars i think it's like four dollars Whoa.
Hey, you guys are abusing.
You guys are abusing.
I said that joke.
I wasn't serious.
Everybody's going to change their location on YouTube to Argentina so they can fucking abuse the fucking.
Okay.
No more.
I'm going to.
I guess I have to.
Wait, was it 10,000 or was it 10,000?
It was 1,000.
$1,000 and 1,000 is right up there.
Bro, what the f.
Yo, YouTube, what the fuck?
Well, it's the same thing with Brazilian money.
So that's like 15.
Only USD, only BC, and only Euros.
Wait.
Wait, hold on.
Okay, whatever.
So I have some more questions for those of you who so kindly provided some pre-show information.
So, hold on, let me just pull that up.
Okay, we have here from, let's see, Lana, right?
Yeah.
You said you typically date guys that are either significantly older or younger than you.
I have.
So what do you mean by that?
So I've either dated like men who are like between 10 and 15 years older or between like 7 and 10 years younger.
Okay.
Typically.
I mean I've had six relationships.
So I would say there was like two of those were like around my age, but the others were younger or older?
Both.
Okay.
Did you have better relationships with younger guys or older guys?
Probably the younger ones actually.
Yeah.
Why do you think that is?
I don't know.
I would say like the first relationship I was in, he was really, really controlling and jealous and chauvinistic.
And he was older.
And he was older.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I would say, hmm.
Are you considered a cougar?
Are you a cougar?
I mean, I wouldn't date anyone who's not in their 30s.
Oh, okay.
All right.
I mean, you said significantly older or younger than me.
And you're 39.
I mean, that wasn't.
I'm thinking like some frat boys or something, you know, senior and no, like, okay, I dated someone who was seven years younger than me a while ago, but he was like a blues musician.
You know what I mean?
That's not a.
I think in your 30s, you know, it's like, yeah.
Yeah.
Whatever.
You also said you want to debunk the myth that men don't want to date moms.
Yeah.
And so you're a mom.
Yeah.
You have one kid, if I recall correct.
Okay.
Yeah.
So please debunk the myth.
Yeah, it's just not true.
I have no problem getting the men that I want.
I mean, I do think it's like, it's weird.
It's like, okay, well, I don't know if you guys know this, but the two, I worked for, like, a search engine company.
Yahoo?
That does corn search engines.
Bing?
You work for Bing?
No.
Corn search engine company.
So Bing?
Cornography?
Yeah, like so they...
Okay, yeah.
Anyways, other and other marketing companies in the corn industry.
Sure.
And so yeah, the top two most searched subjects on there are either like MILF or teen.
Yeah.
I took some MILF.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are you not allowed to say porn?
I mean, I just want to say that.
I mean, you just can't say it a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can't say great.
But it's like the central focus.
The YouTube box will pick it up if you say it a lot.
Yeah.
Okay.
I was just wondering.
Well, I mean, you don't think that there's, there's certainly men out there if you compare two options that would probably prefer to date someone who doesn't have kids.
Yeah.
And I'd say the same for women.
I'm sure most women who don't have kids would prefer to date a man who doesn't have kids.
I think it's the same for both genders.
Yeah, I think there's some who will and some who won't.
But it's not, because there's a lot of people who are like, oh, nobody's going to want you if you're a single mother.
And things like that.
You don't think it makes it harder?
I mean, for me, it doesn't.
I have a question, though.
Are you talking about sex-wise or dating-wise, like relationship?
Yeah, like dating wise.
So both, really?
Yeah.
And that's interesting because a lot of time you hear that, you know, it's hard for a single woman to get boyfriends or girls.
I think it's just hard to find time to go on dates.
Yeah.
Well, there you go.
There you have it.
I think logically it makes it harder.
It's not hard to, it's not like men don't want you.
No, I agree that it's not that men don't want you, but it is a, with any filter that you add, it's going to make the dating pool smaller so that people that don't want that are automatically opted out because there are guys that don't want to date someone who has kids and vice versa.
So I think it does make it harder, but it's not impossible.
Yeah.
Not to say that there's simps for dating you, but like there are simps out there that will tolerate like anything for a crumb of coochie, right?
Yeah.
So like.
Yeah, but there is men who are, have, like, who are literally like, who is going to want you as a single mother?
You just attract different guys.
You either get the really virtuous ones or maybe you get ones that have like a certain way about them.
Like it just attracts different men.
Yeah, some guys are like, okay, I don't want to date someone who already has kids.
And some guys are like, they're really attracted to that, you being a mom.
Yeah, some, but I think any filter, like anything, like even if you say like, I won't date obese people, right?
That's going to automatically make your dating pool smaller.
You say like.
Like I know girls who don't have kids, but they're just attracted to dads.
They just like dads.
Like they think dads are hot.
They don't do like that.
Yeah.
Which I do too.
Because it, you know, reflects what women tend to be into, and they're looking for a protector and a provider.
And a good father is, you know, that's what it represents.
Versus if someone already has a kid with somebody else, that means that, okay, the dad is going to be in a victor regardless because whether you like it or not, the kid is somebody else's kid.
Would you guys get married to or be in a long-term relationship with a guy who has children?
If he was like perfect in every other way.
I am.
Yeah.
So I'm fine with it.
What about you guys?
Possibly.
I mean, I don't know if I'm infertile or not, but I've had medical struggles.
So, I mean, if he's the perfect guy and we got married and everything, you know, it worked out well, I would probably.
Yeah, when I was younger, before I had kids, I was in a relationship with someone who already had a child.
So can I get a raise of hands?
Like, who would date a guy, given he's like the perfect guy otherwise, if he had a kid?
Not a preference, but not a deal breaker.
Not a deal breaker.
Not a deal breaker.
I mean, my fiancé has a daughter.
I mean, I used to think that it was a deal breaker until I was like, okay.
I don't trust you.
Aside from that, whatever.
For me personally, it's a deal breaker.
Unless I had kids, then it wouldn't be.
Well, let's ask the two men here, unless any of you identify as a man.
I do, by the way.
Yeah, I'm a man.
Whip it out.
You can change it whenever you want.
Those are the rules.
Those are the rules, I guess.
Whenever I wanted a man's restroom.
So would you, would you, given the option between a woman who has a kid and a woman who doesn't want a kid, which would you prefer to date?
Woman who has a kid and a woman who doesn't want one.
Sorry, sorry, excuse me.
A woman who has a child and a woman who doesn't have a child.
Generally, the one who doesn't, but it depends on how old you are.
Like, obviously, the older you get, and if you're trying to get someone relatively in the same age range, it's going to get harder and harder for that to happen.
So generally, no.
But if I'm like 45, like, it's not going to be feasible, probably.
I mean.
Well, if you don't have any kids, you know, you can.
I guess, but like, you're going to be.
You're going to probably get like.
I mean, are you at the point where it's like, if you're that old, like, how old is there a kid?
It's not like they're one.
So they're probably going to, they're probably going to be 17 or 18 at that point, maybe 13, 12, something like that.
Well, are you dating guys who have kids themselves?
I mean, like, I prefer that because I feel like they just have more of an understanding, you know, and just the maturity level that comes with being a parent is attractive to me.
Got it.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, at least for me, it's certainly not ideal, no offense, to date a woman who has a kid.
And I think most men who don't have kids themselves, it's like not an ideal move.
It depends on your age range.
Like, when you're older, I mean, in your 50s, 60s, and you're getting remarried.
I mean, in the dating league there, most people have kids, so it doesn't really matter.
Well, I suppose you get your 30s.
You're a little younger, but you still have time.
Well, so my mom never had a problem.
So my parents got divorced right before I started high school, or they broke up right before I started high school.
My mom had three kids living at home.
She never had a problem finding a guy.
Same with my grandma.
She had a kid, and she married a guy, and he had like a couple kids, but that was way like, you know, like 15 years later.
But when she first divorced her husband, she didn't have a problem dating at all.
I think it really depends on how crazy the baby mom or baby dad are.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, I know you guys don't like that.
But that's what they are once they're separated.
Okay, I don't know.
I mean, fun of guys who are like mansplaining.
Are y'all kind of women's planning right now?
Like, sorry.
I just think it's a suboptimal move as a guy who doesn't have kids to date a woman who has kids.
I think that applies both ways.
Because for me, I think I might be the only girl at the table that I view it as a deal breaker because I don't have kids.
Just a little closer to the mic.
Because I don't have kids, I would view it as a deal breaker.
But I think we also have to consider that people are a whole package, right?
We don't get to pick one thing and you take it for what it is for the most part.
People can improve, but that's one of those things.
It's like, do you like the person enough to have that as one of your cons?
Is it worth it to date them?
But for me, it's always a deal breaker as of now, unless I had children later in life or something like that.
So you can't pick and choose.
You get what you get.
You can pick and choose your partner, but if you see someone you like, you can't just be like, oh, I don't like this one thing about them.
Exactly.
That used to be a huge deal breaker for me because I'm so not ready for that.
But it's just, I'm like, okay, it is what it is.
Like, I, you know, yeah, okay.
But I.
Okay, hold on, hold on.
It's worth it.
Just to bring it back to your thing.
So you said you wanted to debunk the myth that men don't want to date moms.
But when it comes to just optimizing, you know, your potential match, hold on just a second.
I met men.
Like young boys who are.
Hi, Brian.
I've been loving your show so much.
Thank you, man.
Thanks for the great content.
I'm waiting to hear back from whatever Onik.
I'm excited to hear from the ladies and gentlemen on tonight.
I'm so happy to see Byronique Barbie back on.
What's up, girl?
Yo, can we?
Yes, Emily.
Emily, thank you very much.
Can we get some W's in the chat for our homegirl Byronique?
She's the fucking legend.
Seriously, putting me to sleep.
I'm sorry, shit.
I've been talking about it.
Speak up, girl.
Yo, we got y'all talking about the same shit as circles and circles.
Damn, can we get some males popping over here?
What do you want to talk about?
We'll come to this.
We're in the mountain.
Fuck me up tonight.
I don't even know.
Timmy, I got a perfect question for you.
I will loop it in in like three minutes.
So, okay, debunking the myth that men don't want to date moms, right?
Yeah.
You're about to say, well, little boys, they don't want to date.
Yeah, I'm talking about like, I'm not talking about like, okay, like there's a certain point where men become more mature and they want to settle down.
And that pool of men, I think.
Want to settle down with a single mom?
I would say that pool of men aren't as discriminate.
They might be okay with it.
I don't doubt that you're able to find men who want to date you or hook up with you or even marry you, become the stepfather of your children.
However, but I think looking at it from just a maximum, like optimizing, if there was you and then an identical version of you that didn't have a kid, do you think most men would pick for your it may not be most, it may not be the majority of men, but there's still a decent amount of them.
But okay, let's say there's an identical version of you, but without a child.
No, I think some men like some men.
And I'm also basing this on like, like, I, I, you know what I do, and a lot of men are attracted to me for that reason.
They like the MILF status.
Seriously, I had like two friends in college that were like super into like MILFs, like so into it.
Like they had nothing to do with girls their age.
They're into older women or they're into MILFs, those men are not men.
No, MILFs.
Like just the fact that you, like, you know, a lot of like attraction comes from a subconscious like idea of like reproducing, right?
So a woman who, like a lot of women, or a lot of men are attracted to women who are curvy, right?
Because they represent being able to bear children, right?
So you're saying because you've given birth to a child before, that means that you are, you've demonstrated your ability to bring a child.
Maybe that's why guys like MILFs, because they could be.
I just want to point out one thing.
I would be suspect.
Not that there aren't good guys out there that would love kids because they just like kids and they just haven't had their own.
But I would be a suspect if I were a single mom and a guy was like went out of his way to be like, yes, that's what I want and is like proactively going for.
I'd be like, I don't want my kids to get touched against their will.
So I would be careful.
Also, another thing I'd like to say, I mean, you're 35.
Oh, I don't.
No, don't get me wrong.
Like, there's no men coming in my house.
But, yeah, you have to be careful.
Like, I like I where I'm at now, I would be I would be fine if I was even single for the rest of my life and I just was a mom.
Well, can I ask because your situation is a little bit different because you're a widow.
Do you think that that plays into it?
Because a lot of people, like I'm engaged to a guy with a kid, so and it most of it is dealing with the other parent.
So because you're in that situation, they don't have to deal with another parent.
Like something very tragic happened to you, right?
That's a good point because I definitely think like one of the reasons why either a man or a woman wouldn't want to deal with someone who, you know, like the what's the term? The other parent.
The other parent is one, there's always that risk of reconciliation.
And then two, like, okay, what if the fucking ex is psycho?
So I think you are in a very unique situation, a fairly unique situation because you're a widow.
I think that does make it different, but I don't think that that excludes, for example, the you know, concerns when it comes to, well, you know, you've got the kid and then there's some financial concern, like financial component to that.
I think like some men just like like it because they want to be like the hero and come and save the day for me or something.
Like, you know, like, oh, there's no, yeah, there's no fucking savings.
The hero complex.
Yeah, maybe that's it.
Captain Seva.
Mr. Yeah, literally.
But like to answer your question, yeah, that might be a component in that.
Because, I mean, for me, like, I've had like the love of my life and we had a child together.
And like, if I don't ever do that again, I'm okay with it.
The loss of someone, like having to date somebody that lost somebody, is like you need to be comfortable with the fact that you can love somebody while you still love someone else who has passed.
But I've had, I have a friend that actually did that, but he found a girl that was in the same situation, and they can both accept that, okay, we still love somebody, and we're still sad that we lost somebody, but we're happy together and we can just find the best in each other.
And sorry, it's a difficult thing to talk about, but how does this tie into Miss Barbie over here?
You said you had a question for her.
Well, I was finishing up with the mom thing, but trying to loop it back in here.
And Brittany, no, you're not the only one because I don't fuck with niggas that got kids either.
So you ain't the only one, baby girl.
Okay.
Okay, so just to the question is, what, I guess, what is the benefit of, like, let's say there's an identical version of you that didn't have a kid?
Like, why would a guy pick the woman with a kid?
Like, just looks-wise identical?
Because I'm a different person as a mom than I was before I had children.
I just, I don't see the, like, there's no real benefits that I've been talking about.
If someone likes me for my personality and no, but I'm saying, like, two, you have a, let's say there's an identical version of you.
One of them, the identical version, does not have a kid.
What would, like, why would someone pick a guy who has no kids specifically, right?
Because you.
Or even a guy who does have kids.
Well, usually you do want to date other parents because, like, they understand.
You know, you know, it's just.
Okay, fine.
How about the guy who doesn't have kids?
Okay, the guy who doesn't have kids, I mean, unless he's like, has like a MILF thing, he probably would go to the kid.
The non-nurturing myth.
Providing hardworking.
Those are some things that might you have more of because you're a mom.
You said you were wanting to debunk the myth that men don't want to date moms.
And I would say, generally speaking, for example, I think a lot of men who don't have kids would prefer to not date.
Yeah, a lot, but not all.
But then it's not really, it's not really debunking the myth.
It is.
Is it a myth?
I don't think it's a myth.
I think it's true that most people, men or women, who don't have kids would prefer to date someone who also doesn't have kids.
I'm not a myth?
I'm not.
Or is that true?
Yeah, I'm just not seeing that in my life.
well wait and in other people because i just know so many people way before i had kids i noticed like have you been doing much dating though i thought I'm trying to recall your answer.
I don't think you've been dating much, have you?
I'm not, but like, even though I may not want to date people, they have wanted to date me.
Well, wait, so have you gone actually gone on dates with these people?
Or they just want to go on dates with you?
No, yeah.
Or do they just want sex from you, which is probably the more realistic thing?
No, like, like, for example, like people who've known me through friends and da-da-da, and found out that, like, I moved back to, like, my hometown and stuff, and they know about, they know I have a kid, this and that, or they know we have mutual friends, and then they're interested in meeting me or getting set up with me.
Like, I'm not looking, but it's coming to me.
In other words, I was on a date with you.
You're DMing you, so guys are DMing you.
Like, don't, you should not confuse, you should not confuse, like, sexual attraction for relationship attraction.
They were not trying to just hook up.
Not these guys.
Like, they're pursuing.
Yeah, but let's not ignore the fact that they're not ignore the fact that men will lie about their intentions to sleep with women.
But these were like really grown men.
I'm talking about the menu.
Let's not ignore the fact that there's another thing I want to do.
They want to lie about their intentions in order to get it.
Okay, but there is a big maturity difference between like 18-year-olds and 40-year-olds.
Okay, I mean, when you're 40, not always, but I'm just going to say when you're at a different stage.
If you were at a different stage of your life, when you're 40 and you want to get married and you haven't, you know, had kids, haven't been in a relationship, and you'd probably want to get married unless you don't want that at all.
Vermilion wants to know, did they commit?
Who?
Who?
He's a chatter.
He's in the chat.
Did who commit?
These guys.
These guys.
I didn't want to date them because I wasn't ready.
Okay.
So wait, what use is attracting a person if you don't want to date them, though?
I wouldn't want that.
Well, they're people that are propositioning you, right?
You also get to know them.
That's a factor.
But I mean, like, initial.
I was assuming it was because you weren't physically attracted to them.
That you didn't want to date them.
No, I just mostly wasn't ready.
And there's also that, but you know, sometimes you get to know someone and they're not the person that you, I don't know.
You know, you don't.
And also some guys can't have kids and they want to be a father.
That's true.
That's another thing.
Sometimes I like that you're mature, you're hardworking, you make sacrifices for your child that maybe if you weren't a mom, you wouldn't make.
It can indicate or can be an indicator of some of those traits some guys might think.
Yeah.
And I've just known so many people who it's like I found out that they got with a woman who had kids and they didn't have kids.
I just know so many stories about.
Being a mother is feminine and if someone's a mom, she probably has some of those feminine traits you know she does because she's showing you by the way she's a mother.
A lot of guys are turned on by a good mother.
I would say that.
And vice versa.
Like a lot of women are turned on by a good father.
Yeah.
I can tell you I had one experience with a single mother and she we had gone on one date which took forever to schedule and then on our second date she 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet said my teenage daughter is having a issue.
Sorry, can't meet you.
How old was this woman?
What some guys like when you play hard to get.
She was because you're in your 30s.
You're dating a woman with a teenager?
Like, I think it was.
So she was in our 40s, 18 pregnancy?
I think she was like 39?
Okay.
A bit older than me.
A bit older than me.
but like canceled on me like 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet.
So, I mean, and that's the furthest I've ever gone like with a single mother.
I've heard some pretty bad stories from men where it's like, okay, there's an expectation.
I think one of the other big things that you often hear is eventually down the line, there's going to be an expectation, if you're in a relationship with a single mother, that the single mother is going to expect the guy to provide.
Not just for you, but for the kid.
And so that adds like sort of a double duty to provide for a child that's not yours.
The issue with that, though, is there's all the responsibility, but none of the corresponding authority.
So a woman who's a single mother, she might expect you to provide, but she might not expect, like, she might not allow you as the guy to have any authority over the child.
Is that something you would want?
Well, if I'm, I wouldn't date, okay, I wouldn't date a single mother, but it's to me, if you're going to be responsible for providing for a child, and you're going to step in as a stepfather, you know, yeah, you don't, you aren't given authority over the kid.
Was the date that you had with the single mom before you decided that you wouldn't date single moms?
I mean, I'd always been kind of hesitant, but I was like, I guess I could give it a shot.
And I mean, it basically just confirmed some of the things I had already kind of thought about.
You know, I'm in a position where I'm not, I'm not, I suppose you could say I have other options where there's plenty of women to date that don't have children.
So I'm not like in a situation, at least in my age cohort, where it's like, man, it's kind of tough out there in terms of options.
But to bring it back to what I'm trying to remember what I was saying.
Oh, yeah, you don't have authority over the kid.
Like most single moms are not going to allow you to discipline their kid, but they will expect you to provide for their kid.
So it's all the responsibility with none of the authority.
But wouldn't it be responsibility to have to parent a whole child?
Isn't that using a lot of responsibility, but not authority to go with it?
Yeah, that may be the case in a lot of situations.
Not all.
Do you expect the guy to provide for your daughter?
I have a hard time even imagining, like, letting someone live with us, let alone provide for us, because I just, you know.
Well, it's plausible you could, at some point, if you do get into a relationship with a guy, at some point there would be an introduction, and then maybe after a year, two years, three years, you know, maybe you guys get married, stepfather status.
Right, but if I'm already financially independent on my own and then they come in, what am I going to do?
Just stop working, stop making money and just be like, okay, now it's on you.
That might be the case for you, but there's definitely single mothers out there that are going to expect a new man coming into their life to have some, maybe not immediately, but down the road.
And actually, there are some single mothers who have an expectation that the guy start providing instantly.
For example, you hear these stories of women wanting men to pay for the babysitter on the first date.
Yeah.
I mean, that's another thing.
A guy might not care about that, though, if he has a lot of money and he didn't care about that.
He has better options, probably.
Yeah, but maybe he likes her enough over the other women.
That does happen.
It depends on if he offers versus if she demands, right?
If he's like a traditional man or has some traditional values and likes to be, most men, like the kind of men that I'm attracted to, they enjoy being the provider.
So I, and they would probably like want me to not do OnlyFans.
Are you a traditional woman?
Deep down, I kind of am, but I don't, not fully.
You do porn.
But I'm not fully.
I mean, like right now, like I'm single.
No, but I mean simply by virtue of you doing OnlyFans, I mean, aren't you, in essence, not a traditional woman?
Yeah, I'm not fully.
I have some traditional values.
Okay.
Sure, that may very well be the case.
Like my lifetime before I did OnlyFans, which was, you know, a while, like a long time, I never did anything like that.
And I was always loyal.
And, you know, I wanted, we lived like in the country and wanted to have a bunch of babies.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And like stuff like that.
But things have changed a little bit, as you can see.
Okay.
Fair enough.
By Ronique.
What's you said you're from?
Did you say South Central?
Well, I was born in Compton.
Raised in South Central LA.
What's good, baby?
What is the dating meta?
What is the dating meta in South Central?
In Compton.
How does it move?
I would love to bring you out there, baby.
Show you around.
I think I'm down.
You think it's safe for me?
No, it ain't.
I mean, it's better than it used to be, man.
We could go in the daytime, early morning before the gangsters wake up.
That's true.
Yeah, they don't get up until about 2 p.m.
So you feel me?
We'll be good.
We go before then.
That's true.
All this stuff we talking about on here, though, it's like so irrelevant in the hood.
Is it some white people shit?
Yeah, it really is.
Are we talking about some black people shit?
It's so irrelevant.
Like, all this baby mama, baby daddy, like, debating on if that's a bad thing to say, a good thing to say.
Who gives a fucking thing?
then i have a question for you then so in the hood somebody that Wait, Byronique, can you just scoot into the table a little bit?
Go ahead and go ahead and get it.
Like, is it like if a guy that doesn't pay its child support in the hood?
Well, first off, in the hood, a guy probably ain't, can't, cannot be put on child support.
Because I'm going to give you an example.
My homegirl from back in the day, you feel me?
She got pregnant by the guy.
The guy didn't want the baby.
She said he was going to school.
At the time she got pregnant, he was going to school to be a fireman.
When he found out she was pregnant and she threatened him, she said, okay, you want to play me and say this ain't your baby?
I'm going to prove it's your baby.
We're going to do a DNA and I'm going to put that child support on your ass.
Do you know he stopped going to school to be a fireman?
Because he knew they would be taking so much of that damn fireman check because you know they get paid well, right?
He gave that dream up and started slanging in the hood because that way he was a diver.
I don't know if he was slaying it.
I heard he was slanging slides.
What was he slanging?
He was slanging.
Come on, Brian.
What's he slang?
Y'all don't know what slanging is, girl.
You lived in the hood.
What's that?
Sling a dick.
Oh.
Okay.
Someone said he was slanging dick.
He was slanging.
But I ain't finna get all in the man.
But just know he gave up the fireman dream.
He started slanging on the corners that thing.
You understand what I'm saying?
Because now the court, when she try to go to court and get child support on paper, that man don't work.
He don't got no job.
So guess what?
Now he's beating the system.
Now she cannot get no child support from his ass.
So you understand what I'm saying?
Things work differently in the hood.
People find ways to get around things.
You understand what I'm saying?
We hood street smart.
You understand?
Sometimes street smart is better than being book smart.
I just want to let y'all know that.
I would just not ask so I wouldn't get in trouble.
But what if he goes to prison?
Is that like a good?
What's he going to do then?
What do you mean if he go to prison?
He can't pay transport if he's in prison either.
Okay, slinging might involve some good life.
Slinging might involve somebody.
That's what it is in the hood.
We understand that's stupid.
We understand that's not the right choice.
We understand that's not smart.
But these are the risks that motherfuckers in the hood is willing to take.
Humanity simple as that.
It's not a hard way to put it.
That's worse.
I didn't like that.
But that's why you have to be careful.
See, I don't date niggas in the hood no more.
You understand what I'm saying?
I don't do that because I did.
I lived that life in high school.
Wait, Byronique.
Didn't you say you said you don't date?
Not in the hood I can't.
I can't say that.
I can't say that.
I know.
Please, though.
You don't date.
Because I already got clout for her letting her pass.
Let me tell you.
Please.
You said that dudes like me kind of your type.
Yes, yes.
What's up?
How you doing?
Hey.
I told you already.
What's up?
Last time I was here, but you still ain't sliding my DMs, so I'm still waiting.
So, you know.
You got a ting right now.
And she has no kids.
No kids.
I got a fur baby.
I got a fur baby like dogs.
Oh.
Dogs.
But you got a guy right now.
I can't.
Oh, you was listening.
I didn't even think he heard he was over there in this video.
She said it ain't that serious.
You're fine.
I can't step on any toes, you know?
Like, I can't, you know.
Don't you want to be an alpha?
You can't just let him win like that.
I don't know.
Have some clips.
That's very beta.
Now you're being the vulnerable guy.
Wait, how's it beta, beta, beta, whatever?
I don't like that alpha, beta pull.
Me neither, but to not want to, like, get in between, like, she hasn't gone out with this guy yet.
Because if he was the one, you wouldn't be an option.
So you got to win her over.
You get points for not like stepping on other dudes' toes.
But they never was friends with him.
That's a good idea.
You want to crawl a personal relationship.
No, even if it's a stranger, even if it's a stranger, I make my best friends.
No, he's not your homie.
She hasn't even been out with this guy.
She's putting it out there.
Exactly.
I don't like to step on toes.
you're not she's literally putting it out there though don't you want to like be like be a Yeah, like be, you know, masculine.
Be like, what's up?
This is my girl.
I don't know.
Yeah, go out to the process.
Thanks, Lily.
I don't think it's masculine to fucking mog other dudes.
You're not mogging him.
She hasn't even gone out with this dude.
I think the most masculine thing is be like, hey, there's plenty of options out there.
Let me get a properly single girl.
I'm not going to steal.
Bro, that's how dudes get fucking clipped is by stealing chicks.
I'm not trying to get clipped.
They're not committed.
They ain't clipping.
There's nobody out here in Santa Maria.
Stop playing with me.
Yeah.
Go back and go.
She hasn't gone out with this guy.
Listen, bye, Renique.
Bye, Renique.
come from the mean streets of santa barbara there's some fucking you don't even know dude Listen, have you been to the west side?
No!
Have you been to the west side of Santa Barbara?
There's been some cholos outside today pulling up.
I was a little out of the way.
From the west side, the houses are on the west.
I was tripping.
I'm from the mean streets of Santa Barbara.
Of Santa Barbara.
High cost of living.
You can call him your voice.
Wait, you're going to get jumped by the college students or the retirees.
That's what you're afraid of.
Listen, look.
Listen.
Don't sleep on Santa Barbara.
There's some criminal enterprises in Santa Barbara.
There's a real estate fraud or like.
Right, really ain't doing it.
Listen, I roamed.
There's the Mesa.
The Mesa?
The whole castle.
The Mesa.
Montecito.
Montecito?
Montecito?
Oprah's out there.
That's Oprah.
There's a limit out there.
It ain't every hood popping, I'm sure.
Oprah is not happy in her area, baby.
No, I'm just saying like Oprah be out there in the wine fields reading her magazines and stuff.
That's not like my thing in here.
Yeah, she ain't having it.
So, okay.
Do you think I would do good if I moved to Compton?
Do you think I do good with the women in Compton?
Okay, see, and this is where I get a lot of flack because people are like, it's hard for me, knowing that my preference is white chocolate.
It's hard for me, a black woman, especially black women from the hood, to get white chocolate because they all think that they assume that black women don't want them.
And this is true.
I'm going to be honest with you, because most black women be like, bitch, you want a white man for what?
Like, you know what I mean?
That's their attitude about it.
They just want to stick with their own kind.
But to me, that's kind of closed-minded.
And it's like there's so much more out there, not even just with white chocolate, but with other cultures and dating, you know, other cultures.
Wait, can you scoot into the table?
Just you're getting clipped a little bit on the.
Oh, it just.
They ain't happening.
They ain't having all this thickness.
There we go.
We got to see you in the frame.
They're not.
Look.
Shit.
You hear this, Brian?
Everybody listen.
What the fuck?
It ain't.
I'm stuck on the side here.
So, but no, you know, so I understand why a lot of other race men do not approach black women because they feel like black women is not going to get him the time of day.
They would not be completely wrong thinking that way because most black women would not get him the time of the day.
But there are some of us, you understand what I'm saying.
Look at Serena.
You know, she got her white man.
Tina Turner, R.I.P. got her white man.
You feel me?
So there are some of us, you feel me, that are willing to go that way.
So it just really, really depends.
Now, going in the hood and Compton, no.
I wouldn't do good.
Yeah, I would do that.
I wouldn't pull.
No, I don't know.
I doubt that.
That's too bad.
Your podcast might skyrocket.
That could be fun.
I should get a tour bus and go to different cities.
I should go to Alabama.
You need to because you need to get different perspectives because all this same type of people.
You should come to Bakersfield.
All these same types.
Bakersfield would be good.
Because even white people in LA is very different than white people in Kansas or in Texas or in Florida, you know, or in New York.
They're very, very different.
You feel me?
Some white folks is down with the get down.
But out here in LA, it's the bougie, the Hollywood, the Beverly Hills.
You know, it's the 90210.
It's that.
So you really need to go on tour, Brian.
You need to take this shit on the road.
And I would love to see all the different perspectives.
And you give black folks a chance to come on here and get A opens because it's very different.
You're going to get some very different opinions.
So you got to be ready and you got to be open-minded, baby, because you're going to hear many different things and many different takes on things.
But that's what it's about.
That would be funny.
But like, what's the point?
How is he going to get him a baby mama when literally if another man looks in the direction of the girl he wants he's gonna be like nah bro bro code bro oh you saying he gonna he gonna bitch out that's what you saying he's doing it with you those are fighting i have faith in brian that he'll he'll come around yeah he'll stand his ground If he really wants somebody,
see, he don't really want me like that, because if he did, he would be, and that's what it is.
Like, us women have to realize if a man really, really wants you, he will go to the hell's in, you feel me, and back to really get you.
No, you want him for you.
He'll try to take you from whoever you're with.
It don't matter if you marry with kids, 10 kids, 20.
You don't get it.
That's how you get clipped.
If he really wants, if he really wants you and is really interested, won't nothing stop that man.
Yeah, he's clipped.
Killed him.
Clipped.
Oh.
Oh, I don't know.
You never been to New Jersey?
No.
Okay.
Don't men want a woman who's highly in demand?
Huh?
Don't men want a woman who's in high demand?
Nope.
No.
Well, they got to find out.
it's different it's like you don't want if a girl is like has a bunch of suitors you don't want that Why not?
But when attractive women have that, I mean, you're attractive.
It wouldn't make her more attractive.
It depends how, yeah, it wouldn't make her more attractive because men don't need a cosign to find a girl attractive.
But that's not common.
Like pre-selection.
Well, you like the mid.
What's that?
Yeah, you're high comes with that.
No, it's not.
No, part of it is how out there you are on social media.
In what way?
Well, like if you're, if you have a social media preference, presence, excuse me, then you're going to have much more sutures, much more options.
And that bothers you because.
What do you mean?
Why does it bother you if she has a lot of options?
Or suitors?
It's not so much.
It depends.
Maybe I should clarify.
If she's like dating around, she's going on a bunch of dates.
For example, if I go on a first date with a girl and I find out that she's like dating other dudes while she's, even if it's a first date with me, I'm done.
I'm not going to see her again.
So what's there other about men?
Like, would you go on two dates Monday?
99.
So you wouldn't meet her on a dating app.
You're on a dating app.
Values, respect are openly shamed.
Total respect for anyone who wouldn't intentionally get in the middle.
Wait, what?
Marimore.
Not sure.
What does this mean?
We're talking about you getting in the middle of her and her date, I think.
Respect or openly share.
Total respect for anyone who wouldn't intentionally.
We're saying to go for it.
He's saying you're right in not going for it.
But then what about dating apps?
If you meet somebody.
Thank you, Sophia.
Thank you, Mary Moore.
So what is it about?
She wouldn't have to.
Form a line, please.
One at a time.
Okay.
So she wouldn't.
So ideally, she wouldn't be on Instagram or have a public Instagram at least, right?
And she wouldn't be on a dating site.
So you would have to meet her in person or something like that.
Or I could just be like first there.
What is it about you?
The new one.
Like just downloading the dating apps.
Like, I can save her.
Wait, okay.
So if you saw like my Instagram, like the way that it is, that would bother you?
I don't know.
I didn't do a thorough review of your Instagram.
I saw some bike photos or something.
Yeah, but it's like, I mean, I could let my dad manage that account that I wouldn't care.
Like, that gives you a pretty good idea of how my DM is.
Wait, what was the original point?
I'm trying to return to that.
Well, you say, like, you don't want a girl that has Instagram and stuff.
Like, I said why I said to turn off if she has a lot of suitors.
And then you said, I don't like girls that date around.
I want her to only be on a date with me.
But if you meet her on a dating app, what is it about you that would make her just be not, well, okay.
Not all women on dating apps are just like going on tons of dates, although a fair amount of them are.
But women, when we're on a dating app, we have to like lower our, we have to make it manageable.
And then between a bunch of people, we don't have a preference because we don't know much about you yet.
Right.
So if she goes out with you, you expect something about you for her to be like, I'm not going to talk to anyone else until this one date happens.
Pretty much.
Yeah, you basically just, you, even before you've even, I've come onto your radar, you need to have been single for like three years.
No, I'm kidding.
Well, do you tell this to the girls up front?
Like, hey, like, I don't want you to be seeing other people.
Do you have her screenshot her combos on the dating app?
No, no, I'm not like, I'm not the type of guy that's like going to go through a girl's phone, but I'm going to like ask some questions.
I'm going to be like, who are you seeing anybody else right now?
Well, to find a girl without an Instagram, because like everyone uses it, not even just to post photos, but just communicate or like consume content, right?
So wouldn't that be a small percentage of girls that you're limiting yourself to?
No, well, I didn't say if a girl has an Instagram, that's not like an immediate no-go for me.
I think you should just get off dating.
I'm trying to remember what the original string was where I mentioned Instagram.
You said girls with following.
So she asked you if a girl has a lot of suitors, is she still desirable?
And you said no.
I don't know if that's the original.
High value men hit the DMs and stuff and that he could just come and take your woman and that Instagram is pretty much like a dating app.
That's how you get like bloom check marks lighting in your DMs and stuff.
Okay, well the original thing, the original thing was, let me see, total respect for anyone who wouldn't intentionally get in the middle.
So this was about me saying, I don't want to step on any toes.
I think that's what initially brought on this conversation.
So I'm trying to.
And then she said, isn't it hot if, you know, there's a lot of people in competition for the girls?
No, no, no, that's not what I said.
I said that hot women naturally are going to have a lot of guys that are because they're hot.
Yeah, guys want hot chicks.
The damn thing is.
It doesn't make the girl more attractive.
Does it make her less attractive?
But is that realistic, though?
It could make her more less attractive.
What's that?
I agree.
Like, that's annoying.
Like, if you could have a guy that's hot with a bunch of girls hanging around versus not obviously like I would also choose like not.
But naturally in the territory, we have an attractive woman or attractive guy, there's going to be people who want them.
So like, don't you think that's really difficult to achieve what you're saying is a hot woman who also magically has no guys into her, but she's still really hot and diamond in the rough.
Like a chick flicker.
Diamonds in the rough.
Would you say that's realistic?
No one noticed her.
Well, would you.
Do you want her to have watched this podcast and been like, I saw Brian on this dating app, now I'm not going to talk to him?
Because why would she do that?
She sounds like a lunatic if she just saw you.
Oh my God, I'm not talking to her.
Before she even meets you.
Okay, let me, I guess I could also frame this like, is it unrealistic of me to want a woman who's not promiscuous?
No, that's possible.
But would you say that a majority of people are, well, a majority of women are promiscuous?
So then, therefore, is it unrealistic for me to desire a partner that is not promiscuous, despite the majority of people engaging in promiscuity?
Well, when you engage with multiple people on an app, is she promiscuous?
I think, no, you mean selective.
You want someone who's selective, so she's not going to choose to go on dates with all the guys in her.
Anyone or whatever, apparently.
No, so she'll have guys that she matches with, but she's not going to actually go on dates with every single one of them.
I guess I'm delusional.
I guess I'm delusional.
Dating works, though.
When you're dating somebody, you are allowed, the man is allowed to date multiple people at the same time, and the woman is, too.
Because unless you say, hey, we're in a relationship.
It's not so exclusive for her.
You have to lock that down and say, hey, we're in a committed relationship in order for all that other side to sit down.
You know what?
I disagree with this.
I think it's entirely reasonable for both men and women to be properly single and dating one person at a time.
I don't think it's that hard.
I agree.
But she has to do that before she goes on the date with you.
Like, she has to already not, like, if she's on a dating app, why do you expect you to be the only person she's considering?
Even if you're on a dating app, you can date just one person at a time.
It doesn't mean that that given date is going to go the distance.
It doesn't mean it's going to turn into a long-term relationship.
But I think for both men and women, if you actually want the likelihood of any one given interaction of actually going further, I do actually think dating one person at a time, and maybe it only lasts for one date, maybe it's only two dates, maybe it's only three, I actually think that's going to be the thing that's going to be most likely to yield.
So what if she's going on one date a week and then she's not talking to anyone?
She goes on the date, she's like, I don't like him.
Next week she goes out.
I think that's okay.
Okay.
I think that's okay.
Yeah, no, I know what you're saying, Argentina.
But it's like we go on the first date.
We go on the first date on Wednesday.
She has a date with a guy scheduled for Friday.
She has another date scheduled for Saturday.
She's dating multiple dudes.
But if she dated you and she didn't have the date scheduled yet, she came home and she's like, Brian ain't it.
And then she scheduled another date.
Well, I ain't it, so I don't care.
And that's why people do that.
So what if you were date number 32 on my list and I had gone out 33, but I waited until every date was over before I pursued that?
Because I kind of did do that.
Would you date me?
No, you don't think that's a good question.
Just on that sole factor?
Well, you said you don't, is that?
It's really, well, okay, look, I'll just reiterate, it's really not that hard.
And this is what I think people in the past did.
Now I think we were inundated with options.
It's really not that hard to date one person at a time.
But dating one person at a time just means that when you have a date scheduled, you're not scheduling other dates until that date is finished.
I kind of laser focus in on a girl.
Like if I'm not, you know.
That into her.
I get what you mean because I also suffer from one itis.
It's not one itis.
It's like it's hard to date multiple people.
It's like it's a lot and you just like want to focus on one person.
But given the criteria that you've given, wouldn't that be like the top, top percentage of women?
What do you mean?
That are meeting all those requirements that you said.
Which ones?
The ones.
What are the requirements that I said?
The requirements that you said were she has to date one person at a time, basically close to zero social media presence and also be very attractive and not have suitors.
So if you want that top percentage of women, then is that realistic?
Like, do you think that you qualify to get that?
Well, when it comes to the social media presence, I don't think I made that claim.
You said that you wanted someone with low social media presence, preferably without an Instagram.
So like pretty low, pretty like uncommon.
That would be preferable in the same way that it would be preferable for a woman to date a billionaire.
So like, do you think that's realistically?
Okay, realistically, I don't have an issue dating a girl who has an Instagram.
Now there's scales to her online presence.
For example, if she like, for example, if the Instagram's private, okay, then she's like, or is it public?
And then is it public?
And is she posting like kind of revealing photos?
Then, you know, there's degrees to it.
Yeah, so let's say there are degrees to it, I agree.
But let's say you want someone with like close to none.
It's what it came across to me, like, you don't want her posting herself at all, preferably, right?
I don't really care.
So would it be my preference?
Yes.
It'd be pretty hard to find someone like that.
And I know because for me, that's also a green flag.
When I was dating, it's a guy, you know, low social media presence and things like that.
So that's why I'm asking, do you think it's realistic?
Because that's a small number of people and I know because I've experienced it.
Here's the thing though.
You're saying, well, is it, and I think you're trying to get at, oh, Brian, you're kind of delusional for wanting this.
Or you're saying, I think you're trying to say, well, Brian, are you of a certain status or character where you could command a woman who moves like that?
But I don't think, like, for example, that's not really a factor in terms of a woman's physical attractiveness.
I mean, which thing?
So, okay.
Like, a girl who doesn't have, for example, like, let's say a girl who's below, like, below average in her physical appearance, she might not have the social media presence.
Like, that's not going to be the thing that's a deal maker for me.
Right, you have to be attracted to her in the first place.
That's assumed.
So, like, already that's a filter, right?
Because every time you add a filter, like, naturally, it narrows down, whether it be being a mom or whatever.
So, if you're getting a girl, low social media presence, obviously, it's the spectrum, but low social media presence, and also they aren't taking any photos themselves, or like, even if it's just like they're showing their outfit, if that's a problem, like, every time you do that, you're adding a filter, right?
So, then you have this very small dating pool.
So, I'm asking, do you think that you could get that?
Is it really a little bit more difficult?
Let me clarify.
Let me clarify.
So, I would date a girl who has Instagram.
But she posts like photos of her, like just pictures of her.
It's not particularly provocative, but I don't know what your definition of that would be for that.
She's posting her outfits.
She's posting herself.
I would, and I do, and I have dated women who have Instagram.
For long term?
Yes.
Okay.
And they also have to be attractive.
To me, that's not, some guys have different standards when it comes to that.
But would it be my preference if someone had like low or no social media presence?
Yeah.
I share that sentiment.
But then also, you have to get a woman that meets those requirements and it also is okay with not having the security of marriage from you.
That might bear your children.
That might be really difficult to get, don't you think?
Okay, like I don't follow.
Like, sorry, maybe like it's my brain still.
Explain the interrogation to me.
Where are you going with this?
Yeah, so if you're asking for a woman that has low body count, because you expressed that earlier, has low social media presence, also is attractive, but has no guys around that also want her, which is kind of out of her control to an extent.
And also, this girl has to commit to you, only you one at a time, and then also has to not want the security of marriage and have your children.
Don't you think that's going to be really difficult to find?
No, not really.
Why?
I think you can.
I mean, plenty of people.
I've found it.
But you're.
Like, are you in a relationship?
Huh?
Are you in a relationship?
Well, I'm not going to talk about my.
No, no, yeah.
Spill it easy.
Let's throw it dating.
Spill the cheeks.
That's the real reason.
He got stuff going on his damn self.
Yeah.
Do you know what I'm saying?
I gotta keep certain things.
What's yourself?
No, no, Taurus, Taurus.
Oh, one of those.
So, whether you found someone or not, I understand if you want to keep it private, I get it.
But those are a lot of things, like, and it's a very small amount of women.
So, like, what do you personally view yourself as to get, like, there's this tiny group of women that are top quality, right?
Because I agree, like, I also shared the sentiment of, like, it would be top quality of a guy unless it's his job, social media, et cetera, et cetera.
So, like, what do you rate yourself?
How do you view yourself to get that smaller?
What do you bring to the table, Brian?
What do we bring to the table?
Because it's really hard to get that.
A woman, no beta orbiters at all, even though it's not due to her own fault, no social media.
I've stated, hold on, I've stated on my podcast when it comes to physical appearance, I consider myself look, just looks-wise, I'd say like six, and I would date a woman who's within that range, anywhere from five, I think, five to seven.
So if a woman is a seven, and then all those prior requirements that we discussed earlier, like, don't you think that would be difficult?
So are you calling him a low-value man, basically, like indirectly, kind of?
He's saying that he's a sex, right?
So like if I, okay, looks wise.
So if a woman were like top-notch, they would probably want a guy of similar caliber and what he described as top-notch.
So you just said he was a data.
It might be difficult to date or a seven.
I mean, it might be even with a seven, it might be difficult, even just like if she were ugly with a sex.
So you're calling him a low-value man.
No, I'm not saying that you are.
I'm basing off of his answer.
So even if you remove looks, I would be a picture of that.
I don't think, perhaps society has changed.
I don't think wanting a woman who dates one person at a time, who isn't posting like promiscuous, or excuse me, who isn't posting revealing photos online and isn't promiscuous, I don't think that's asking for much.
But also she'll commit to you without marriage and have your children without any sort of like thing to fall back on.
Strong label.
And then not work.
Like, how would that work?
Well, where are you getting that other stuff from?
Well, you're saying that you would be for having a long-term relationship.
And if she's working, a lot of guys are probably going to want her because she's like assuming that she's out in public around guys if she's attractive.
So I would imagine you would find that ideal if the woman relied on you to provide.
I imagine that would be conducive to your standards.
Well, where did you get the idea that I want to, hold on, so you're saying I want to be a provider?
Well, you said long-term relationship, and you also want someone who doesn't interact with men.
So how is she going to get money?
Oh, I didn't say that.
Well, if she's attractive, naturally, if guys interact with her, she's going to attract some beta orbiters, right?
If she's attractive, you don't want to date an ugly woman.
That wouldn't be fair.
Beta or...
I'm just trying to...
Okay.
That you're going to have other guys hit on her and is it going to bother you?
Because wouldn't that be really hard if a woman had a job where she's interacting with a lot of guys, whatever the job may be, and then also magically be attractive and not have simps or beta orbiters?
Okay, like I think you know the answer to that question, honestly.
Like you're just asking to ask.
men hit on her at her job like there's nothing I can do about that I'm not sure exactly what yeah but you said it's not ideal you You don't like that.
Well, certainly it's not ideal.
Is this the fucking interrogation here?
Let's go back to the Compton dating.
I think for both men and women, it's not an ideal scenario for your significant other to be hit on by someone.
Yeah, I agree with you, but it's a lot of list of requirements.
So if you only consider yourself average, wouldn't that be hard to get a woman that's of that value?
But aren't you sitting in his studio right now, like his YouTube channel, and you're here calling him like a low-value man?
Like he's got nothing going on.
I didn't call him average.
I'm based off of what he said as the answer, right?
And the list of requirements that make it harder, even if you didn't factor in.
Well, he said what his preferences were.
He has preferences and you're saying that he's being uncommon preference.
So to get a significant amount of money.
Oh, to find a woman that's really attractive that also doesn't have high standards.
I just said I would date a woman between like a five and a seven.
That's within the I consider myself to be a six.
It's not a lot.
just having standards for yourself which i think it's totally for yourself but i'm just pointing out that it'd be really difficult to get that soups donated 99 okay i apologize to the lawyer i thought she was bad who is this slow person across from brian i'm just what are you what are you digging at like i feel like you're trying to clip for me but i'm like not entirely sure how but no you're totally clip for me you're doing a good job though i'm kind of confused but i'm
I'm clarifying it.
So if I have to do that.
Okay, look, look, look, look.
I'm not in favor of marriage.
Right.
Okay.
That disqualifies you from a lot of attractive, high-quality women.
What do the people on the panel consider themselves on overall value?
Here, we'll, we'll, uh, here we go again.
Let me, let me, we'll finish off this thread with uh Brittany here, and then uh, Mr. Meatball, we'll come back to that.
Um, so I'm, I are you are you saying that I'm too selective, I'm too picky, or I'm just I'm not making any definitive statements.
I'm based off of your answer.
You're just saying it's going to be hard for well, okay, fine.
I agree with you.
In 2023, it will be hard to find a woman who's not promiscuous.
I agree.
Yeah, and it's not a problem for me to not find a guy that does some of the money.
I agree with you that in 2023, living in California, it's going to be hard for me to not find a woman.
Actually, I actually don't think it's that hard to find women that don't post like super revealing photos on Instagram.
I don't think it's that.
I really don't think it's that hard.
I'm better alone than a bad comedy.
Like most normal women.
In a vacuum now.
I don't really date content creators.
I'm not dating OnlyFans girls.
So I don't think it would be that hard.
And most of the women I've dated do not post.
Hold on.
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What is the purpose of Helmet Girl?
Yeah, what, Madison?
She's, I don't know.
She's just aimlessly hanging out here in a World War I helmet.
I didn't know she taught until today.
Perhaps I can answer it like this.
Most of my previous long-term relationships were with women who were not promiscuous, who had minimal or no social media.
Let me think.
I'm trying to.
Like minimal social media presence.
And what was the other one you were asking about?
Attractive, no social media preference is okay with not getting commitment marriage, but has to bear children.
Right?
That's a risk.
No, there was another one I'm trying to recall.
There was not being promiscuous, low social media presence.
I'm trying to remember the other one, I forgot, but I would say of the women I've had long-term relationships with or even short-term relationships with, actually most of them fall within my standards.
Okay.
So it seems like the conversation is a little bit more likely to be a little bit more difficult.
It just seems like a lot of filters.
A lot of filters.
Well, I can tell you that I've gotten the types of women that fall within that framework.
Especially in California.
You're kind of like that girl from TikTok who's like, I want a conservative who's a liberal, but like on reverse.
You know, like I want a conservative woman who's kind of a liberal.
It's like.
I consider myself somewhat politically moderate, but you're Democratic.
You voted Democrat.
Did you vote for Joe Biden, Brian?
He voted for News.
Did you?
No.
Yeah, he did.
He did.
Why are you guys speaking for me?
See, like, you voted blue.
Like, it's like you're out for like 95% of conservative women.
So I'm like, sorry.
The man likes what he likes.
Let him.
We all got our preferences.
Let it be.
Oh, yeah.
You're allowed to have preferences.
Absolutely.
Let it be.
But yeah, like sometimes you know it's not gonna match all of your preferences and you're like, you know what?
And how do you say that?
Is it despite of or yeah, I think that's the word, sorry.
Yeah, that even if, yeah, despite the But okay, look, I get what you're trying to do because something that we often do on the show is we kind of have conversations with women and like oftentimes we'll be like, well, that's kind of delusional that you want that.
For example, a woman who might want a certain tier of men when it comes to, you know, or even their own self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness, or a woman who wants a guy who's six feet tall and makes six figures, that's a very small proportion of men.
I sort of get what you're trying to do.
You're basically trying to set me up so that, oh, look, the tables are turned.
Brian actually is kind of delusional in terms of what he wants in the world.
No, I don't think you're delusional.
I do.
The thing is, is that it may very well be the case that there are a majority, and I mean, I think this echoes what I say, that if you look around, we're talking about hookup culture.
A lot of people are both, well, I'd say more so women, but that's another conversation, are promiscuous.
So am I, is it a smaller proportion of women that are not promiscuous that I desire as partners, I suppose.
But I'm advocating.
But I'm advocating for a return to some degree to moving away from the madness that is hookup culture.
Yeah, I don't disagree with your standards.
I think people are allowed to have their standards.
But you're not going to be able to do that.
It's worth assessing.
You're trying to do a gotcha where it's like, okay, Brian, you're actually the delusional one here.
I don't think that people should just settle, right?
Because that's not fair to the other person.
I'm aware that my dating preference of like just simply by saying I don't want a guy that watches porn, that consumes any type of porn, I know that's going to make it smaller of a dating group, but I accept the risk and that it's worth it because to me it's that important.
Like that level of commitment is important.
You have high standards.
It's good to have high standards.
I agree with high standards.
I think you have something like good going for yourself.
It's like, I don't know.
I feel like you describe yourself as like, you don't, do you see yourself as a high-value man or a like, I mean, I don't like that word, but you know what I mean?
Yeah, I don't like those characterizations because I think there's different I'm just trying to portray it in a way that conveys the you know the message.
We all get the message, but you know what I mean.
Like this.
Yeah, so I don't like just a across the board word like that.
I don't like this idea.
Do you consider yourself a good candidate or somebody that has like I think in some realms of endeavors I am and in others I'm not.
I think in some realms for example I think when it comes to my success finances I think I'm doing fairly well when I could be for example I could be in a little better physical Shape.
I think I have my head on screwed on fairly well.
I don't drink.
I don't smoke.
I don't do drugs.
I don't go to bars.
I don't go to clubs.
I don't party.
So in certain areas, yes.
I think it's hard to say.
So I don't know.
Well, I would just like you have something good going for you right now.
Like your show is doing really good.
And honestly, it's better to.
I know that there's some people in the chat that said it's like better being like in the desert than having a nagging wife.
I just say better being alone and then bad company.
Proverbs 21.19, by the way.
That one.
Yep.
Well, better being alone and then bad company.
So it's like you have high standards.
Bro, look at this fucking psycho.
What are you doing?
I hate the taste of water.
No, no, no.
It's not even about you, like you poured like a, what did you pour?
Oh, yeah, Mio, you haven't had that?
Bro, but you're, bro, you're stirring it with your finger.
Yeah, I'm not going to touch you.
Bro, that.
No, it's just like let her have a straw.
Bro, but I know exactly.
Thank you.
He said we can't have strawberry.
He took my straw away.
Did you wash your hands before?
Yes, I just went to the bathroom.
Okay, I'm just kind of a germ.
I'm like, I'm not going to be able to do that.
You made your bed by taking your straw.
On your behalf, on your behalf, I'm not going to be able to do that.
You took my straw.
I asked for it and you took it.
Yes, bam.
And I told you I wasn't going to stir it.
This is an authoritarian reason.
I'm looking for the gotcha Twitter clip by taking her straw away.
Yeah, exactly.
How dare you?
You took my straw.
I said I needed it.
But yeah, my point is, if you view yourself that way, where you're like, I'm not sure if I'm like really high value, then it might be hard to get someone that's also considered high value because like all the filters, right?
Because generally people will consider that high value woman.
Well, I mean, I don't like it as a blanket term because I think in some, as I said, in some realms of endeavor, I don't like, you know, like in the same way with this like alpha beta shit, I don't like those terms.
High value, low value, it's kind of like, it's like, okay, well, there's men who are like, when it comes to success, money, doing good on that front, but there's men who are like billionaires, you know.
So, you know, in terms of percentiles, I'm doing well.
But I don't think that is, that is the, as an entire package, that makes you high value.
For example, I'd like to have a when it comes to my physical fitness, and I mean, some of this is out of my control.
For example, I have a pretty, I've had a pretty catastrophic back injury.
So, you know, I'm not, I was in better physical fitness when I was younger.
So I think when it comes to my physical fitness, and I think men have a duty to be physically strong, in that dimension, I consider myself to be lacking.
And I think in order to be like total package as a high-value man, even though I don't like that term, you need to have a certain degree of command over your body and a certain level of physical strength, which had I not had for I had if I had I not had a back injury, I'd be much more of a, I'd be physically stronger than I am currently.
So within Within that specific realm, I consider myself to be lacking.
Can you still open a jar?
I mean, I did request.
No, I.
Yeah, I remember me being the one who did it.
Yeah, you were helping me out with it with the mic, but.
Can you change attire?
I mean, honestly, if you have enough money to pay somebody to do it for you, no money is no woman's gonna give a crap.
Like, sorry, but yeah, but it's like hot if a guy could.
Like, it's like a bonus point.
Sure.
He can do it.
Sure.
I'll give it to you.
Well, okay, so let's say you're in a tight situation.
It's only you two.
Hold on.
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Autistic girl is fixated on this because as if she's lived such a life of privilege that she cannot psychologically process that men can have standards.
By not being fattened, having an acceptable face and body, she speaks from a high ground of entitlement.
Wait, who's the autistic girl?
He's talking about Brittany.
You don't know anything about Brittany if you think she's had a privileged life.
Brittany is an orphan that's been on her own since she was, what, 15, 16 years old?
16.
Yeah.
Ultimately, I don't think it's asking that much for, I think the three things were a woman who dates one person at a time, who isn't promiscuous, and who has minimal social media presence.
I don't think that's really asking a whole lot.
It's not.
It shouldn't be.
Unfortunately, nowadays, it is, right?
But you're trying to make it out like I'm looking for like a 1% woman, which I don't think is the case.
And even if you were to find it, it is.
And it's unfortunate in the reverse, too, of like asking for basic things that it gets treated the same way.
Maybe in YouTube podcast world, but I don't think it's a very low percentage of women in general.
In our world, in this world, maybe.
I mean, especially in California, he wants someone presumably local, right?
Presumably.
I'll just say maybe I've gotten lucky, but of the things that I want in a partner, I've been able to find them.
I've had numerous long-term relationships.
I've been able to find them.
I think if somebody wants something bad enough, they can get it.
Speak it into existence.
I didn't manifest that shit.
I feel like that's not said if it's the other way around, though.
If a girl were like, you know, as he said earlier, I want a six-foot guy or like a tall guy, like, let's say even like the best.
Look at the heights, the height standards of women is absolute BS.
It's like if you've done martial art, like, honestly, short guys, show guys in the chat.
If you're short, martial art, any, like, karate, kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, like, you're, you're good.
You're good.
You, you do that?
Because women that do that as well, they know that short kings can kick ass.
So, yeah.
That's true.
Word.
Yeah, but you shouldn't settle for someone that doesn't want to.
What should you do?
Martial art is hot.
Like, I'm sorry.
Oh, wait, we had to.
Okay, Mr. Meatball here.
Hold on.
We got to get back to him.
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Thank you, man.
scale from one to ten what do the people on the panel consider themselves on overall value okay so we have let me pull this up Hold up.
Also, Stiffler here asks everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
Is it always Stiffler?
We are going to start on looks.
Who are we going to start with?
Oh, which one are we doing?
There's two different ones.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, because it says.
Scale one to ten when people consider.
Oh, okay.
Because overall value in general.
Here, we'll do looks and then overall value.
So you'll just do two.
Let's start with Sophia.
On looks-wise, I don't want to rate myself, but overall value, I mean six, maybe.
I don't know.
I'm a human being, so not perfect.
Did you do whippets today?
I'm not on drugs.
I don't smoke weed, so she's not saying that.
I don't need Narcan.
Okay.
You need the Celsius energy drink you had last time?
What's it?
What about you?
For looks.
Looks and then overall.
I would say maybe a seven and then seven for the value part portion.
Okay.
What about you?
I'll just say one fuck off.
Fuck that question, honestly.
I have, I'm working on an AI thing that you can look at yourself in it and it tells you what you are on a scale of one to ten.
And I looked at myself in it when I woke up.
I'd like, I didn't think I looked good.
I was like, oh my God, I'm a one.
And it said I was like a 7.5.
I was like, oh, okay.
I'm like, AI is cool.
Okay.
Okay.
I like AI.
So I'm a 7.5 out of bed.
So, you know.
Yeah.
Maybe I can sell it to you.
So, like, when you ask, the girls don't have to, like, you know, they can just look at themselves and the AI is going to tell them what they are.
That'd be funny if you had a segment where it's they rate themselves and then it shows you.
I have what it says.
That'd be so funny.
But you know, like, actually, I don't know.
Well, when the girls rate themselves, like, I'm a 10 out of 10, and then the rate thing is like, and you know what's funny?
The people, like girls, like when they smile, anyone who smiles, the AI actually rates them higher when you have a smile on your face.
I thought that was interesting.
Makes sense.
It's like it has a soul.
Yo, Byronique, what's up?
Joanne Compton, I'm a 20, straight up like that.
No Chaser.
And Philby, thank you, darling.
In Beverly Hills, not so much.
We're not even going to fuck with that.
And then personality-wise, if people will really get to know me, take the time to get to know me and not look at the color of my skin, I think I would be a 10 all around with personality for sure in my heart.
You know what I mean?
But people don't look at that.
They see a black bitch from the hood.
So it's just disgusting.
So it's hard to deal with.
I think you're a queen.
Yeah, I think you're an awesome one.
Thank you.
Overall value, 0.347.
Is that like a genuine answer?
I mean, how to rate someone's overall value on a numerical scale?
It's just a little bit more.
Well, you said one for looks?
Yeah.
You think you're a one?
Yeah.
But is that like a troll answer?
Is that like?
Well, I don't look at people.
I don't look at myself or look at people like, are they an eight or a nine?
Like, I'm not 12.
Like, I just, that's like a whimsical and arbitrary thing.
It's like bizarre.
It's silly, in my opinion.
I just say that person's overall attractive.
I find myself conventionally attractive, yes, but I don't, I'm not like.
Oh, so then you're not a one then?
No, I'm a one.
I'm beyond the scale.
There's some deep analysis I'm supposed to be doing here, right?
It's just, I think it's a juvenile question, so yes, I gave a juvenile.
It's like back in middle school.
Why is it rating?
Why is it a juvenile question?
Because rating people, like I said, I don't look at people like, are you an eight or nine?
Especially on overall value.
Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
I'm five feet, so no.
Would you date a guy that's shorter than you?
If there's like no guys that are shorter than you.
Let's say there was, though.
Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
No, but I would date a guy who's like 5'7 ⁇ .
Well, so.
It's not that deep, but I mean, probably even like 5'5, 5'0.
Okay.
But you wouldn't date a guy who's shorter than you.
There are men who are 4'11.
No, I wouldn't date a guy who's shorter than you.
Why is that?
Because I think that's too short.
I don't even like legal middle.
But isn't height quite literally a numerical measurement?
But if someone's, I don't, if someone's 6'2 and someone's 5'11, I'm not like, ooh, but he has a man bun.
So is a man bun worth 0.2% more than you look at people like that.
But you wouldn't date a guy who's shorter than you.
I wouldn't date.
But wait, I don't get how this is related.
Because I wouldn't date a guy that's shorter than me.
It's juvenile to rate someone's fist, but it's not juvenile to rate someone's physical height.
No, I think it's also a problem.
I think it's also, it's not numerical.
It's not numerical to say I wouldn't date someone shorter, but I would date someone taller.
How is that numerical?
Well, it's quite literally their height.
Height is numerical.
It's physical.
Yeah, well, height is numerical, but me rating them.
I'm just saying you are rating their height.
It's a threshold.
I'm saying if you're below me, no.
If you're above me, yes.
I'm not like, but if you're extra above me, then that's two points higher.
If you're extra below me.
They're both related to physical attractiveness.
Are they not?
No, I don't rate guys' heights on a scale of one to 10.
I just say, is it okay or is it not okay?
That's not okay.
But they're both within the physical realm, and height is a numerical measurement.
Yes, height is a numerical measurement.
Weight is also a numerical measurement.
Sure.
But I wouldn't date somebody's, first of all, value on a numerical scale.
And I wouldn't date someone's looks on a numerical scale.
I'm attracted to or I'm not attracted to.
I'm not like, ooh, he's a nine.
So you're like, it's like a binary thing.
For height, yeah.
For height, yeah.
It is binary.
So if you're shorter than me, no.
If you're taller than me, yes.
Or I could even have a, if you're 5'5, yeah, if you're 5'5, yes.
So you wouldn't have a preference for a guy who's 5'10 versus a guy who's 5'1.
No preference whatsoever.
Well, preference is different because like it could be number 25 on my list of preferences.
You said this earlier, too.
If there is just a preference, like you may prefer a girl that has a private Instagram versus one who doesn't, but it doesn't really matter.
It's not like something you're really looking at.
unless you're like two people are exactly the same then yes i also like sorry um Man brain is not wired the same as a female brain.
Women, we overthink this question way too much.
And every time, every episode, there is this response to the question that comes back.
Okay, like guys just kind of think on like a logical, like straight, it's not that deep.
No, I think I'm being more logical here.
Yeah, no, I think that's what I mean.
Women, we are wired to overthink things.
Like it's deeper than that.
But for guys, it's like, okay, it's really not that deep.
People have a threshold, but once you go into numerical, ooh, you're an eight and a half, he's a nine.
I just don't, I don't know if you guys walk around doing that.
No, I don't walk around doing that.
It'd be really autistic to do that.
Yeah, it'd be like, you'd be like insane.
I think you're like juvenile.
It's like a gotcha moment.
If a girl says she's a 10, then chat's going to be like, oh, she's delusional, you know?
That's why you should do the AI test.
They say they're 10.
It's so funny.
You really should do that.
The way that I find myself considered a stupid question.
You two don't want to answer the question because you consider yourselves to be 10.
Is that correct?
No.
Do you consider yourself a 10?
I mean, no.
Nobody considers themselves a 10 here.
But then as a woman, when you say that about yourself, people always, like, friends hit me up, like, oh, why would that bitch say she's only a five?
That's like disrespecting yourself.
So if you don't say you a 10, then you're kind of lowballing yourself.
Like, that's how a lot of people view it.
Like, so everybody in the world should be confident enough to think that they're a 10.
I love that bitch that you have on here that is actually a trans with the little pink.
And she's she's a certified bad bitch.
She is the most confident bitch I have ever met in my life.
She sits at this table and she owns this shit and she don't care how many people talk shit about her in this fucking stupid chat.
She don't give a fuck how many people give her side eyes at this motherfucking table.
She holds her shit.
She lets her titties hang out and her big shape and she's just proud of herself.
And I love that because everybody, and I guarantee she would not say she's not a DFL.
Speaking of filters, women who get cosmetic surgery, wear makeup every day, and use social media filters are all liars.
I've said my piece.
That's another thing.
Word.
I love how what she did.
You know how Kiko went up at Chase and that she pretty much turned around to Chase and said, yeah, I think I gave you suck dick.
That's pretty gay.
Like, you know, she didn't care.
I kind of defended her and she just like said, yeah, sorry, Kiko.
Like, he's right.
Like, that's pretty gay.
I love her energy, though.
She's a whole fucking vibe.
And she's confident.
She's the definition of being confident and believing in yourself.
Everybody should be sitting up in this world that confident about themselves and we will have a much better fucking world and everybody will have a better life.
I just want to say that.
I think better questions are, do you find yourself conventionally attractive?
How important is physical attractiveness to you?
Do others find you attractive in your opinion?
But to be like one to ten, what are you?
Like, I've never thought that way in my life.
So you don't think some people are more attractive than others?
Yes, I do.
And I think there's an objective component to beauty and also a subjective component to beauty.
So once you get to numerical, I mean, they've done studies where people from different countries are attracted to different BMIs, different waist-to-hip ratios, all of that.
So it's not objective this person's an eight because they think they're an eight.
Sure, there might be some variance, but I think overall.
That's why the variance means that the one to ten is just a bizarre way to rape.
It's juvenile.
You're like 12 to me if you're sitting there like, she's an eight.
But should everybody have confidence in themselves, whether they look like Beetlejuice or they look like Beyonce?
Everybody should have fucking confidence in themselves, whatever their shape, their body type.
If you got a bad back, you got a bad hip, bad knees, you can't drop it low.
It don't matter.
You should be confident in yourself and love yourself because the world ain't going to show you no fucking ease.
You feel me?
So you got to love on yourself and be confident.
Everybody should be sitting here really in reality saying that they are a 10 and beyond.
You know what I mean?
Because you should love yourself enough to say that.
Well, I mean, woke feminists say that, so I don't want to say that because then it's like screaming that I'm a woke feminist.
And then the overall value man is very strange.
We're rating people's value as human beings.
Like, what does he mean?
No, it's just a different idea.
We all make value judgments.
Yes.
So if you're asking me if I think I'm a valuable person, yes.
And I think we all are.
Some maybe.
It's not about your value as a human being, but like on the dating marketplace, in the sexual marketplace, you are making judgment calls and value calls about potential partners.
Yeah, that's true.
Based on that.
Is that what they mean by overall value?
Is your overall value value?
If I find you attractive enough, if it's in the dating marketplace.
So overall value in the dating marketplace, I agree.
What makes you valuable in the dating marketplace?
It could be a variety of factors, obviously.
It's different whether you're a woman, whether you're a man, because men and women are attracted to different things, different qualities, physical appearance, personality.
They don't know that just by looking at your picture, though, on some fucking date.
But okay, he's saying, okay, there were two questions.
There was Stiffler asking, rate your looks, specifically your looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
And there was the TTS, or I forgot it was the TTS or Streamlabs donation, asking for overall value.
Fine, I changed my answer.
9.22735.
Beautiful.
Okay, let's move on.
What about you?
Okay, so overall value in the dating market.
Or just 1 to 10 your looks and then your overall value.
Okay, well, I think...
That's okay.
Let me put it to you like this.
So, 1 to 10, your looks, and then if you can incorporate, for example, your personality, like overall as a catch, where do you put yourself on the 1 to 10 scale?
That's what I think he's getting at by overall.
Okay, well, if you could incorporate personality.
Okay.
Well, personality-wise, like, I'm a 10.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm a loyal friend.
I'm whatever.
All the things that I am that people don't need to know, but whatever.
And then looks-wise, I'd say for being almost 40 and being a mom, I'm probably like a nine.
I took some MILF.
Okay.
It's kind of funny because like all my friends, like when, you know, early 20s, and I remember, like, almost my friends were guys, but they were all like dating like older women, like their friends' moms and stuff.
And it was not like just one.
It was like most of them.
So it's just like, what?
Yeah.
Like younger guys that go for younger women.
I don't know.
Maybe they're just like, yeah.
Yeah, like younger guys that go for older.
Yeah.
Yeah, that happens.
It's a thing.
Yeah.
I've seen it.
Star Wars girl, what about you?
So I think there's a difference between how I perceive myself and how other people.
I think I'm probably, because I see myself in goblin mode every day.
So I would say natural state, I'm like a four or five, but my personality I found is what people, at least, you know, guys find attractive about me.
So based on my perception of myself, four or five, and based on guys, like a seven or eight.
Maddie, can you stop doing cocaine back there, please?
Sorry.
Just let me finish this line really quick.
Oh, was it?
Sorry, heroin?
My bad.
Okay.
What about you?
I don't think it's like a correct answer to this one.
Either it's like you're like the chick who thinks she's like the 12 or the guy who thinks he's the 12 or like you're self-deprecating saying you're a four.
I'm just going to say I'm a 10.
And all raise.
Yeah.
Over 9,000.
It's not quantifiable.
Just sound dropping that one.
Okay.
All right.
We're just getting troll answers at this point.
Okay.
Let's move on.
Thank you for that, TTS Super Chat Man.
Let's see.
Curtis Reynolds.
We already read this one.
Did we?
You sure?
She's right.
I shouldn't have compared it to gender since there are clearly more flavors of feminism than the two actual genders.
Okay.
Just FYI.
What's up?
I got 10 minutes because it's a long drive back to the ghetto.
Yeah, so I got to get out of here.
Okay, we have Sweet Tea Guy.
Where have you reviewed Gantz TBYS?
I'll watch read that when this is over.
Oh, I made a community post about it like a long ass time ago.
Like, I don't remember when that was.
It's good.
But it's got a lot of weird shit in it.
All right, we have the Ginger Menace here.
Hey, thank you so much for your soup chat.
I really appreciate it.
Anna, it's so good to see you here.
I'm Overlord DVD's Queen Wrench.
So we are in the same community.
I'm friends with Maggie.
So great to see the Star Wars girl on this channel.
Loves.
Hello.
Thank you.
Thank you.
The Ginger Menace.
She is a menace.
Oh, here we go.
Because she has no soul.
Federica.
I never thought about this until right now.
I want to go.
I'm not sure what this is in response to.
Thank you for the $40.
Yeah, YouTube needs to adjust the different currencies because it should not be read, you know?
I don't know why it just doesn't just convert it to American currency.
You can do that on Google and sell it.
It's because they're probably using a VPN to do different countries so they can super chat less but get ready.
Life.
Okay, sweet tea guy.
Thank you for the 50.
Anyone who likes gory, mature stories, read Gantz.
It's a wild story.
Is this guy on the marketing team of Gantz or something?
It's a wild story that has weird stuff attached to it, but has hard anime in 2027 to 2030?
2025 is when the author will get the film TV rights back.
Okay.
But is it up to redo healer level?
I haven't seen that one.
Yo, we got Bender the offender here.
50, dude.
Good to see you in the chat.
Thank you so much for your soup chat, man.
Thank you, everybody, for all your patronage.
Ladies, how drastically do you think the modern woman's day-to-day life would be changed if social media didn't exist?
It would be amazing.
No, wouldn't it?
I'd be a lawyer needing my billable hours instead of making all this money.
Because I'm a lawyer.
Because she's a lawyer, guys, in case you missed it.
She's a lawyer, an attorney.
Yeah, for that one reason.
Yeah, no.
But neither of us use social media.
I didn't have social media until I was 27.
This is like a hit because I think everybody's social skills would be better without social media.
Just like a benefit to it, but there's also a massive negative to it.
I mean, but we none of us would have met if it wasn't for social media.
That's true.
There would be less girls getting kidnapped by creeps.
I think actually that was happening more before.
Yeah, people were out more.
Yeah, and like it was harder to catch them.
So like serial killers, for instance.
But you know like the old chats.
It's really hard to be a successful serial killer now.
Yeah.
I think we're thankful for all of the great things social media gave us, like being able to be here tonight and like be on a stream and everything.
But with that said, I think overall, if we got rid of social media, it would change for the better.
Yeah, I agree.
I don't know.
I don't think so.
But then you miss out on the free speech benefits.
You do.
There are pros and cons.
I know, but we lived before without crime was actually a lot of people.
I know without having had it, to take that away, it'd be a dystopian future.
It's not going to be good.
If we took away social media?
Yeah, because then we wouldn't be able to communicate with each other.
Are they as much interesting?
So when people are trying to censor us or when the government organize better now, we could focus on other things.
Also, like we see what's happening all over the world a little bit better.
I mean, that's why people think a lot of stuff that happens now, like, you know, like a student beating a teacher is like, you know, a Gen Z thing when it's always happened.
But now we hear about it more.
I like how social media gives normal people a voice.
Basically, that not everything is on either Fox News or CNN, and that we can just have those alternative platforms.
And, you know, somebody can have like a camera or an iPhone basically and just broadcast something.
Then you get a higher and higher budget, but pretty much the little guy can make it.
And you have so many things that you can listen to now.
So it's pretty much everything is so like on demand.
You know, like we didn't have, you know, Tim the Timpool with Tim Cass or Dan Bongino, Matt Walsh, all the Daily Wire.
Like that's all like there, there's none of that on.
But we also didn't have girls eating emojis, like popcorn on TikTok either.
So it's a pros and cons.
It's like a six-second video, like scroll, you know.
Well, here's something that came up during like the coup.
So all the kids had to do like the virtual school, right?
So a lot of parents found out what they were doing to their kids in school.
So like my stepdaughter, we saw her virtual school, so we were seeing the stuff that parents didn't get to see.
So, you know, all of the, hey, if you feel like this today, then let's just put you on drugs and stuff like that.
We have a chat here.
Drug shortage now too.
Parents.
All right, we've got Pat here.
It's almost 12.
The purpose of Helmet Girl is to set the standard for the panel.
She's an overall 10.
Values are more than looks and money.
She definitely has the looks.
If she moderated her on podcast, the chat would make it rain.
If she moderated her own podcast, the chat would make it rain.
I think she, yeah, to get her.
Stick around for the after-show for about 10 minutes.
Yeah, Mike is high value.
Where Madison will be running the after-show.
Okay.
And then let's see.
Ooh, voice crack, nice.
What else do we have?
Okay, we're caught up on chats.
I think I had one other thing.
Sophia.
Yeah.
Yes.
So do you believe in the patriarchy?
Yeah, I do.
I like how it's talked about, like it's a mythical creature.
Do you believe in the unicorns?
Messy.
Do you think women are oppressed?
I mean, I think in both ways we are both oppressed.
You know, the patriarchy causes more disadvantage then than it does for advantages for men.
I feel like Think Before You Sleep has some thoughts on this topic.
Huh?
I'm trying to rope you in here a little bit.
Oh, what?
Well, you're, I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I would consider you, at least from the videos I've seen, would you consider yourself an anti-feminist?
It depends on which.
So I would have said yes a year ago, but there's like Back to the Plantation.
There's Camille Polyofeminism, and there's all the woke shit.
I'm against all the woke shit, but like, if women are saying, like, some of the Camille Polyo stuff, like, again, like, the anti-porn stuff I agree with on the radfem part, the free speech stuff I agree with, and that's certainly not the woke shit.
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I mean, I don't believe in the patriarchy.
That's what you're asking.
Okay.
Yeah.
No.
What do you say to that?
I think it's just a divide and conquer strategy.
Sophia.
I mean, I understand that.
There's a lot of division, I mean, on social media and with like feminism even, you know.
And one thing I'd want to say about like how you said you kind of changed your answer because one thing with feminism is we all kind of get grouped into one with like this whole like, I don't know, like TikTok, liberal feminism, like we want to show our nipples, like, you know, stuff.
But I think it's funny because a lot of people said that my anti-porn thing is very conservative, but it's also rad femme.
It is, it is, it is a feminist.
I'm still radical feminist, just saying for some of the things that I'm saying.
Well, I think there's two feminist positions on it.
There's like, hey, you should do whatever you want.
You're allowed to engage in sex work.
And then the other side of the coin is sex work is exploitative and bad and et cetera, et cetera.
Leads to lots of trafficking or like there's plenty of companies that people watch who have trafficked women.
But could it be the case that feminists all get grouped up together?
We do.
But isn't that justified?
Why would that be justified?
Well, okay, for example, and you often hear talk of, and we will wrap up here in about five, ten minutes, you often hear talk of like systematic oppression.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's bullshit.
That's communist shit.
Yeah.
And so couldn't you argue that one of the biggest systems in this country and in other countries is the higher education?
So you look at universities, for example.
Almost every single university in this country has a woman's studies program, a gender studies program, a feminist studies program.
What do all of these teach across the board?
Doesn't matter what state you're in.
Doesn't matter if it's a private college, a public college.
They all teach patriarchy theory in these feminist classes.
Patriarchy theory is the bedrock of feminism.
It is the core tenant of feminism.
So is it any surprise that all feminists get grouped together when the mainstream feminist view is that there's this patriarchy?
I don't know.
They completely...
Hold on.
Let Sophia answer this.
I mean, I understand what you mean by that, but I just, there's a whole bunch of different takes from all different types of feminists, you know?
So that's one thing is I understand what you mean.
Like, we all believe in the patriarchy, but I mean.
Well, what is the patriarchy?
Well, I already answered this.
When?
Like, three different times.
Did you?
Yeah.
Oh, I must be a bad.
But you just want to get a gotcha moment, right?
Clip this.
Radical feminist doesn't know what the patriarchy is.
But like I say, I mean, I don't believe that there's this like big, bad patriarchy that's uplifting men so much.
I believe it in a way that it's causing disadvantages for both of us.
I mean, it's not just a one-sided thing.
And I think that's why a lot of people have these stances on the patriarchy, because they think that women hold no accountability and just want to blame the patriarchy, which it's causing problems for both genders, like I say.
People kind of do that in general, though.
A lot of people who don't want to work find some excuse to blame.
Like people who are like 5'9 will say, I'm not six foot, therefore I can't get.
I was like, okay, but you're still taller than almost all women.
So that's what I'm saying.
But I'm sorry, but in colleges right now, I noticed because I came here first on an F1 visa, which is a student visa.
And when you had like those courses, and I'm sorry, they literally teach young women to hate men.
And then I heard that and I was sitting here, meeting with a bunch of my guy friends and barely any women friends.
And I was like, that's kind of bullshit.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
But they're kind of playing on human psychology to like, if things happen to you that are bad and you're not a person who takes responsibility, you'll always fall for the psychology.
So they pretty much teach you to cry like a little bitch instead of.
I mean, it goes both ways.
Like with Red Pillars, they do the same thing with women.
Red Pillars, I'm sorry, but wouldn't red pillars like what I hear mostly on what people would call red pill podcasts is, yeah, it's hard to be a man, stop being a little bitch, and yeah, life is hard.
No, a lot of them are literally telling men to complain.
Yeah.
And be what they're saying.
They tell men to complain.
Oh, also.
Yeah, they say, well, like, oh, I'm not tall enough.
Oh, I don't make this much money.
It's like what most of them are.
Which ones are you watching?
Which ones are you referring to?
Fresh shit.
Seriously, they say that?
Yeah.
Because I haven't heard that.
They don't tell men to go whine like little bitches.
I thought they would more hold on to the menu.
They're popping kind of basically.
They're whining out like little bitches.
They may slide in some sort of self-improvement thing, but most of the time they're complaining about men aren't tall enough or women get too many dates or like things may be the way they are.
I mean, I know that they had debates where it was like different people arguing, but I don't know if it was like, it was on Fresh and Fit.
I don't know if it was like Fresh and Fit's opinion on the map.
But do you think that men are not struggling in specifically unique ways to them when it comes to the dating landscape?
Yeah, but everybody can struggle in a unique way.
It doesn't mean you should be a men are strong.
I think the difference is, though, is that I think men struggle more when it comes to dating than do women.
Yeah, and the solution is don't use dating apps.
Yeah.
Why are people still using those things?
So you're saying like just do cold approach in the street?
Like just be in a community, have friends.
I mean, you either back in the days, you go to church every Sunday and you have a community of people or you go to some sort of sports event every Sunday or every whatever day or you have a friend who introduces you to a group of friends who then has a girl that you might like or a guy that you might like.
Yeah, get into something like social that you like.
You know, like if it's like woodworking, I don't know.
And there's like woodcraft that has like classes and stuff.
There's actually plenty of women in that.
But people aren't finding enough excuses to go out and socialize and that's why all these problems are happening.
Yeah, men are like completely relying on dating apps to find women.
They're not even trying, like, they'll stare at you at the grocery store awkwardly, but never actually come up and say hello or make conversation.
Or even do basic conversational things like say, oh, like find an excuse to sit, talk about some vegetable a chick's next to or something like that.
Or maybe some sort of excuse to talk to her.
They usually come from in my shoes, but my shoes are nice.
But this is, I mean, this is kind of putting the entire burden of initiation on men.
But men were, you know, biologically wired to be hunters, right?
And now they don't even do that one thing that they were wired to do.
Do you want women to ask you out or do you want to be the one who asks the women out?
Well, I actually think they're scared of rejection.
I like it if the chick simps for me.
I like it.
If a girl walks up to you.
It's different if she's orbiting you.
I don't want.
Your DMs just got flooded.
DM me.
I think it's fine if a girl DMs a guy.
But men complain, and I wrote that to you.
Men complain on the dating apps.
Like my friend complained to me that every single guy that she talked to on the dating app was complaining how bad the dating app was, yet doesn't try in person because it says, oh, but you're a beautiful woman.
I don't want to approach you.
You have a better chance in person than you do on a dating app.
Of course.
You're going to be more superficial when you're going through a dating app.
You have to.
I mean, dating apps are just superficial.
I mean, Tinder, you just swipe on a photo.
You don't know.
The breasts have to be a lot of fun.
I don't even intend to talk to them.
And dating apps, they're not for dating.
If you're on a dating app, it's for people who want to have sex, not dating.
Not necessarily.
Sometimes you find law.
There it is, but it's harder.
Hinge maybe tender is just sex, though.
I know.
I mean, there's rare cases, but it's not that rare.
Most of the time, it's just sex.
I don't know.
Here's the other side of the coin of what you said, of like putting all the responsibility on men and how that's unfair.
The other side of that coin is if you take all the responsibility off the men, that weakens them.
They're no longer masculine because they can't take responsibility.
They're complaining about how society is.
Are you just going to say, here's what I can change?
I cannot use this dating app.
I could go learn how to socialize.
I'm going to get what I want anyway.
Yeah, men used to get rejected all the time and be okay with it.
They would do this as a numbers game for them.
I don't think that guys whining is such a turn off.
Ah, but earlier in the conversation, we were talking about, well, men should be vulnerable.
I see.
I did not blame that.
I don't know if you're not.
That's just where you guys were like, I didn't say that.
I'm not going to say that.
Men should be vulnerable.
That's not a complainer.
Yeah, complainer versus you're just completing vulnerable with everything.
It's actually one thing you're actually constantly, though, is not being vulnerable.
I think you're not going to be able to do that.
So men need to be these emotionless people that just accept the extremely rude ways in which they can be rejected.
Brian, Brian, Brian, are you saying that?
I said that because I did not.
So there are just some things they should be able to.
It's just like, no big, look.
I said, no, don't be a pussy.
That's what I said.
Look, as a man, you ought to strive to be a strong individual and just let rejection roll off your back.
But like, let's be honest, it fucking sucks to be rejected.
And so just dismissing men's frustrations when it comes to getting rejected, especially like there are men who will get either brutally rejected or will just face rejection after rejection after rejection.
And it's a very privileged position to just say, oh, just, you know, men just go back to accepting being rejected when women almost never face that sort of rejection when it comes to romance.
Women may get rejected.
Patrice O'Neal says this.
He says, women don't really get rejected on the front end.
They get rejected on the back end.
Would it be masculine if a guy sat there and cried about it?
What's that?
Would it be masculine if a guy's always sitting there?
No, I don't think you should cry about it.
But do you think that should show online nowadays?
Also, I want to say, like, what do you think men should do, Brian?
You keep saying vulnerability.
But there's also a thing like emotional intelligence, which is another thing.
I mean, because men are told to be, you know, emotionless.
And it's like, we're human beings.
We all have emotions.
Yeah.
You know?
You want someone who's emotionally intelligent.
Yeah, she was disagreeing with you earlier about that.
I think the difference is like there's a misunderstanding at the table about dignified traits and undignified traits, right?
So someone opening up and being vulnerable, a dignified version of that would be like, maybe you know the person and their mom just died and they like feel really sad.
Very extreme case, right?
Versus undignified be like, man, these women don't want me, these hoes.
Like, they have too high standards to ask me to wash my ass, which, by the way, reach read soap for that.
If you guys want soap.
I mean, it's not that.
I think you guys are underestimating the average man's experience, for example, on a dating app.
I know some of you say, well, get off the dating apps.
The reality is, though, is that like 50% of people are meeting online.
They're meeting on dating apps.
It's funny every day.
That's fair enough.
And men want, but there's nothing traditional about men anymore.
We have to split up.
There's nothing traditional about women anymore.
It goes both ways.
Where did it start?
I thought men are supposed to lead women.
So when men get weaker, isn't that essentially what's making the women weaker and follow suit to the precedent that they're setting?
Like sleeping on the first night.
How many of them are you?
It's women where they're kind of single mothers beats.
Hold on, just one thing.
It's a fair point to say that, yes, as men, we ought to take some responsibility.
There's like the super TradCon line, which is basically as men, like we bear full responsibility.
Like as leaders, like the position we find ourselves in, you can say, oh, it's fully men's fault.
However, I think in order to be a leader, you need to have people willing to follow.
And feminism has taught women to not follow.
Here's the thing, though.
A lot of women desire those traits in men that are, you know, that you could consider leadership traits, assertive, decisive, et cetera, leadership dominant, whatever you want to say.
Women want these traits in men, but they don't want to follow.
They want the leader, but they don't want to follow.
What do you mean, like, if you say they don't like being approached in person?
Hold on.
If you want a man to be a leader in a relationship, as a woman, you need to be prepared to follow.
But most women don't want to be followers.
Most women want to be approached in person, though.
So how is that really?
Well, if men want to approach us in person, because we're talking about being in person or being on a dating app, I think a lot of women like when men approach us in person.
And if you're in that bottom 50% who can't do well on a dating app or whatever, then I think approaching in person gives you a better shot.
Because we have to lower our, like, we have to filter out a lot of men on dating apps that we wouldn't filter out in real life.
There used to be a lot of social stigma for a guy who had to ask a chick out online.
And now it's like everybody's doing it.
I think there's a lot of pressure.
They're getting more and more scared.
That's true.
Well, I mean, there's me too.
There's, you know, you see these gym TikTok videos of guys who even glance in a girl's direction or don't even glance in a girl's direction.
And they basically like try to destroy this guy's reputation.
Honestly, girls who do that should go to jail.
Literally.
I'm sorry, but as somebody who's like a gym or no, a gym rat, I'm sorry.
If you are in a situation where you're struggling and you're like on the bench press or whatever and you're actually struggling, if like you can't just, it's like an unwritten rule in a gym.
Like you don't fake that kind of stuff.
Because if you're actually in distress, you know you need somebody to help you out.
You don't fake that.
Because after that, if it actually happens and they all think, well, no, she's just trying to like, you know, she probably has like a hidden camera somewhere and like she just wants to ruin my life.
Guys are not going to go help you out because they think you're trying to like ruin their life.
That seems really paranoid to go to that extent.
What are you doing?
Like, are they a secret camera on them?
And I'm pretty sure that's what I'm saying.
That's where it starts.
Where do we draw the line?
I mean, girls, don't do shit like that.
Seriously.
I mean, there's just people who don't do that.
Well, Sean made a great video on that.
The gym thing.
Well, I'm not sure if I'm pretty sure.
Look at Amber.
It's like, okay, it's not that deep.
Like, just don't pretend like you're freaking dying under a heavy dissemination.
I don't know if people are.
They don't want to be like that.
They're like, oh, you're harassing me.
Get the hell out of here.
They film it and they post it.
I know, but they want attention.
They want attention.
They want to be a victim.
They want that 15 minutes of attention.
Yeah, but his life is ruined.
And that's their money.
I know.
Somebody is struggling.
The guy is not.
We're not going to go help her out.
I don't think anyone agrees with that.
I mean, everybody's been pretty much ridiculing the chicks who are doing this.
I don't even know.
I mean, I didn't switch struggling.
Okay.
Is this one tricky thing?
I don't think anyone agrees with this.
I think everyone here is absolutely against that.
And I think y'all go to the gym.
Also, I'd say this isn't a common problem.
What, by the way?
That's not why men are like this.
But it's not.
No, they women.
No.
I think the point you were trying to make is that women want this thing, but they are unwilling to compromise when they get that thing.
Because a guy that they claim to want is going to expect something in return, and women are unwilling to give up that.
Is that what you were saying?
Sort of.
I mean, someone here, I think it was you, Josie, brought up there's this video of this like liberal progressive woman that kind of went viral like two weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago.
And she's like, well, I really want a guy who's going to pay for me, open the door to my car, you know, be like kind of that traditional man, but also has his progressive values.
Oh, I remember thinking about it.
Male-only gyms and female-only gyms.
Problems.
I wish.
But I have no idea.
So there are those, and the male-only gyms become very similar to bathhouse in that sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I have no women friends, so I'd be alone.
But I agree.
I agree with Mr. Brian on the thing about college, for example, like being an example of that indoctrination you're talking about, that women are taught to hate certain aspects masculine.
That is true, and that does happen.
I think that does affect how the women are reacting.
But overall, I think a lot of women are just following suit to what the men are leading them to do because women tend to be more agreeable, right?
So I think ultimately the man has to be masculine and take a lot of responsibility.
So you're saying they should all leave dating apps or?
I think dating apps overall aren't that effective.
I mean, you don't have to delete them, but they're not that effective.
They're not that great.
So you're saying you should take initiative and try to reach out in person?
Yeah, I think men should take initiative.
I think, yeah, if you're struggling, you should do that.
But then he said who follow them.
I don't understand.
These things aren't in isolation.
Like, there's a whole load of social issues that come with you to only do this on an app.
Like, where are your friend groups?
Are you going out and doing stuff?
What kinds of people are you meeting?
If you're solving this problem with an app, it means you're not going out and doing other stuff that you should be doing.
And you're going to have lots of other social issues.
I disagree.
I mean, I got confidence from dating apps, whereas before, like, people were always really mean to me.
Guys are always really mean to me.
And then when I was having my life and doing my own thing, and then I got on dating apps, and then I was like, okay, the pressure is off because I already know this person is interested in me, and they want to go out on dates.
We have things in common.
And it's not going to be, you know, some guy trying to use me or anything like that.
And I mean, my ex, I dated for almost two years.
I don't think they're bad.
I think that men should, men and women should just not solely rely on the dating apps.
They should take opportunities that they find through friend groups, through if they're not working for you, it doesn't mean all is doomed.
That's what we're saying.
Okay, well, just to go back to your point about men should start approaching women more in public.
One, it's pretty hard to do cold approach.
And the other thing I would say is that I think I mentioned Me Too.
Men are much more cautious about, you know, oh my God, if I say the wrong thing or I misstep, I'm going to be accused of harassment or, you know, whatever it may be.
Also, we've stigmatized, I think, like, it's such a faux pas now to like date within the workplace.
Whereas I think in the past, a lot of people would date in the workplace.
People are so like.
That's a workplace thing.
That's a whole lot of things.
Not a great idea.
You could say college in the past, but not really anymore.
Sorry.
And what happened to people just saying hello to each other?
If you say hello to a woman that you're passing by, you think she's attractive?
And she just turns her head.
Or if she says hello back to you and smiles, like, are you going to do it?
Do you think it's easy to pick up a girl?
Like cold approach?
Okay, I don't know.
I think it depends on the neighborhood, by the way.
Coming from Brooklyn and some of the most ghetto parts where it was just straight up her ass.
There's a difference between like approaching a woman in a cafe nicely and you don't look like you're a hobo or something versus a guy going, hey yo, baby girl, bet dead ass up.
Like there's a huge difference.
Also, can I say, I mean, I think it's kind of a little stupid to say that men are scared to ass women out because of me too, because it's not like people are being falsely accused like that.
I mean, not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not like people with something to lose are afraid.
Like Henry Cavill, the dude that played Superman and the Witcher, he got semi-canceled because he said he's afraid to approach women.
This is the man that plays Superman because he's afraid of getting Me Too'd.
I have two.
I think that's a little bit of a matter of time.
I know people that have value, right?
People want high-value mix.
Yeah, but then just meet the women.
I know, but look what happened to Johnny Depp, you know?
You could fall in love with someone and think that this is the best person ever and they completely betray you.
I mean, that was kind of both mutually abusive.
It wasn't like he's just innocent.
And I didn't even follow up like that, but that's one thing I could see from that situation.
It's not like women are easy to do.
She cut off his finger.
I'm not saying she wasn't the worst one, but it's like you're still an addict.
She still had a ton of other problems.
But she cut off his finger.
She took a shit on his bed and tried to blame it.
Hold on.
Tried to blame it on a chihuahua.
And it was a giant human-sized shit.
She tried to blame that shit on a Chihuahua.
The stuff she said in front of the entire world on TV.
Me too.
But ultimately, I mean, I think also, look, Me Too is maybe a smaller component of it, but I think it's also just men do now have access to dating apps where rejection has a little bit less of a sting.
Also, it takes a bit of skill, some finesse, you know, some game, some riz, whatever the fuck you want to call it.
Riz.
To approach somebody.
Yeah, I don't like that term.
I prefer game, but finesse.
to like approach someone in person it's uh it's pretty hard you know and it is kind of a bit of do you want the guy who wants to approach a chick on a dating app or the one who can approach him in person Like, which society do you want?
Well, through social.
Blue and red pill right there, pick.
But it's not easy to approach women in public.
Well, apparently it's not easy for you guys on dating apps either.
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Brittany, I think you wanted to.
Yeah, so I was thinking about what you said.
Oh, like women should approach men.
But the problem with that is that when women approach men, women don't know how much the guy actually will like them.
And that's a problem because women aren't really the initiators.
If they do, it could be seen as desperate.
So when you're a woman approaching a guy, it hits a lot harder in the ego for a lot of women because you're already supposed to be valued to an extent, right?
You're supposed to be pursued.
But rejection for women is terrible.
Yeah, imagine you get rejected.
You're like, oh my gosh, I don't have value as a woman.
And I get like men also get that ego shot, but it's a different kind because you're supposed to be doing it.
So imagine you go out of your comfort zone to that point of approaching a guy where you're already supposed to be wanted as a woman and then you get rejected.
I feel like that's also why I'm just saying that.
I totally agree, but let's say, for the sake of argument, let's say I concede to your point that yes, it hits women's ego harder.
But wouldn't you agree that if a woman has a much better success rate if she were to go up to a guy versus a guy going up to a girl?
In what regard, the right relationship or sex?
Sex, yeah.
Relationship, maybe not, because he feels like, oh, she already wants me.
I don't have to try.
Then you have to deal with like women that you don't like approaching you, and that's uncomfortable.
Yeah, imagine like an obese.
I mean, oh, guys, come on.
I will trade places with women.
I'll trade places.
You guys can come hit on me.
50 chicks can slide my DMs a day.
If somebody's like, if some women I'm not attracted to hit on me, fine.
I will take that trade every single time.
But the average American woman is like obese.
You sure you want that?
He's land whale, so to speak, right?
Maybe no one might have to do that.
Win is a win.
Maybe he likes thinking.
A win is a win.
My friend used to say, yeah, sometimes, buddy, you just gotta take the bus back home, Mike.
Sorry.
One thing I want to say, though, is I think it's funny because, I mean, just from my experience, I do not get hit on like that.
I mean, maybe a little after the podcast, the first one.
But no, I actually don't.
Every guy I've dated dudes in the chat.
Do you live in a nice neighborhood?
That might be a factor.
You live in a nice neighborhood.
Yeah, I live in Baker, so I do live in the suburbs.
But my girl was from Crenshaw, so she knows what's up.
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One thing I was saying, though, is every guy I've been on a date with, I asked him.
And I genuinely, I did not get asked out like that or anything.
I'm being so genuine right now.
I don't know.
Not because you're feminist.
But yeah, it's not even.
You're okay with that.
It's not even that.
I mean, I was, I'm even talking about high school.
They don't really care about that.
But I don't know.
I struggled with guys coming up to me or, you know, getting at me.
But one thing I was talking to someone about that, and I think they just said that it might be because I'm intimidating.
But besides that, the average woman does not get hit on that much.
I mean, maybe she's easy.
Guys, honestly, like, you're adorable as fuck.
Like, I think that, like, honestly, I'm like, you're so sweet.
Sorry.
The average woman.
Well, okay.
An average woman could download Tinder and like it's insane.
But meeting someone in person is completely different.
Are those more exciting?
Go to the club.
You're going to get a lot of people.
It's like, who's going for a relationship?
Those are not the guys.
That's a dumb idea.
No.
Drunk guys.
It's mostly guys that don't actually want a relationship.
Well, I do think dating apps have definitely disincentivized men to approach a girl in real life because, hey, this is much easier.
I can just go on the rejection isn't as bad.
But they're not having a lot of fun.
So they're not the confidential.
You have to be ridiculed for doing shit like that.
So even if a shy, awkward guy comes up to you nowadays, they're way more confident than any other guy on the app that's confident.
I don't think so.
I think girls are still going to curve that dude.
If he comes up to you, like he steps to you shy and I'm not going to be able to do that.
I would have a hierarchy.
He's not a trap.
Six feet tall.
No, but if a 5'10 person approached you, different.
I almost think the stigma has like reversed how you were saying how like what 10, 20 years ago, if you met someone online, that's kind of weird.
Yeah, if you were a guy who asked a girl out online, you'd be ridiculed.
Yeah.
Whereas now I feel like it's less acceptable.
Like we've regressed or reverted.
I don't know.
It's less acceptable now to approach a girl.
In person?
I think it is.
We want it.
I just, all the women I know are like nothing.
Depending on context.
Wait, but okay.
Yeah, depending how you do it.
Yeah, don't be creep.
How socially palatable are you, especially if you have to use dating apps or like, again, all your friends are on Discord or you're not really going out and doing stuff that much.
It just means you're probably not very socially competent.
So there's other problems that circle around using dating apps to start relationships.
Look, it's just hard to approach.
I should just say men are scared.
They're scared.
Here, you know what?
Let's do an experiment.
Maddie, we're going to have you.
You're going to pretend to be a dude and you're going to pick up Maddie.
Oh, I am?
Yeah.
So, okay, here's how we're going to do it.
Oh, my God.
Maddie, you're going to get the microphone.
This is if I recall.
My sister is Sophia Jordan, by the way.
PH and Jordan with an E. You're welcome.
How old are you?
Hey, chat.
One in the chat if you guys can hear us.
Can you get one of the guys?
Pop-up chat.
Where's the pop-up chat?
Hey, chat, can you guys hear us?
Yeah.
But finally, we're in the middle of the day.
No, I can't.
God, I don't know.
Okay, they can hear us.
No, in high school, you suck.
Yeah.
I was so rejected in high school.
I mean, even now, like, I've still asked out every guy I've been with.
Okay, so we're all gonna witness.
Oh, my God.
I would still run away if I'd see people that I've been with in high school.
Like, I would think, like, no, I'm still ugly, so fine.
No, for real.
Yes, you're gonna be the guy shortening with a pH.
Just starting to role play.
I think this is good enough.
You're welcome.
Meaning things.
No, you're just gonna be trying to.
Actually, can you guys scoot that way just a time?
And then we're gonna put it here.
Okay, so Madison.
Where are we?
You're gonna be walking on the screen.
You're the dude.
You're the dude.
And yeah, just hold it, center, man.
I'm walking on the street.
No, She picks the scenario.
Okay.
All right, so we're like, we're both in line to get like Boba.
Okay.
Okay.
Can I hold this cup?
Sure.
Okay, go.
So you're behind me.
Are you okay?
Okay.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I should have let you go before me.
You're alright.
I'm so sorry.
Are you here by yourself?
Oh, boy.
Oh, no, Jail time.
I will run out of the boat shop.
Does that mean you're single?
Sorry.
No, it doesn't mean you're single.
Oh, no.
I have a boyfriend.
I'm sorry.
Well, he must be a really lucky guy.
He is.
I have some points.
You're creepy, man.
Are you sweating?
Okay, hold on.
So you give a couple crushes like that, and then you get better, and I'll do that.
Here, do you want to try again?
I'm putting on the spot.
We can do it.
Wait, you're put on the spot to approach a girl.
Wait, can a boy try it?
There's three boys here.
Can one of you guys try it and show us?
Wait, three boys?
One.
I should try it.
Yeah, you should try and try it.
I want to see how it works.
Okay, Sophia wants to do it.
I want to do it.
Okay, wait, I'm going to be a man.
Yeah, but that was a big L.
That was a massive scene.
I know how to guarantee coochie every time.
I think it was just some are you alone that are going to be here.
Wait, wait, am I going to do that?
But Madison, don't have a boyfriend.
Be single.
Do you want the spot?
Yeah.
Okay.
Wait, me again?
Yeah, try it.
Yeah, give it a go.
We'll give you another go, then Sophia goes.
Yeah, go.
Okay.
You're in an elevator.
Or in an elevator.
Okay.
What the fuck?
Oh, my God.
That's so creepy.
Okay.
That's already don't talk.
The elevator broke, so you're stuck.
So you have to talk about this.
Wait, hold on.
Let's adjust.
I feel like we can adjust this.
No force we stuck in here.
Can you move over a chair maybe for me?
Me?
Mike Davis.
Oh, look, it's Mike Davis.
Hi, Mike Davis.
These females really think they be special.
I've been tuned out for a while and two minutes in just another batch of copy and paste puppets.
God definitely tuned out as well.
He's just doing reruns.
And that pickup interaction was on the spectrum.
It's good to see you, Mike Davis.
We missed you.
It's also true.
He just called you not special.
I know.
I still love him.
It's okay.
I don't bring myself down to a special.
How are we going to live not being so special?
Oh, my God.
I'm so hurt.
Apparently, we don't need to be special.
Be so funny, you guys.
It's okay.
I roast myself all the time for entertainment.
No, last time I got roasted so bad.
I know, I watched it.
You took a lounge for it, though.
Yeah, you did.
They thought I was upset.
I was like, no, I thought you were super funny.
Like, you seem super cool.
I was like, I want to have a perfect scenario.
I know how to get bitches.
Go.
Okay.
Take two.
We're going in the elevator.
Oh, okay.
Ladies first.
After you.
Thank you.
Cringe.
Okay, peanut gallery.
Let them do it.
I'm going to say you're I'm attractive to you.
Okay.
So what floor are you going to?
Oh, floor.
Okay.
Well now you know where she lives I'm getting out first.
Oh actually um here's my what is it?
Doors closing doors closing can I get your number?
No here's here's my number Zero game.
Zero game.
I kind of did, you know.
Okay.
I would just give you my number.
I would just not even talk to you, but I would just give you my number.
Hey, if you ever feel like hanging out, here's my number.
Oh, that's great.
You never get texted.
No, I'd tell you the fucking thing.
If you were attracted, yes.
And single?
Why wouldn't you?
If you were attracted and single.
Okay, if I was attracted to you, that's like a different story.
I feel like that's it's hard to be like the girl in this situation because I don't know how the guy looks.
Well, at the end of the day, he has to be someone attracted.
Oh, attractive.
Okay, yes, how did you know?
If there's no like attraction.
I want to see the next scenario.
Go ahead, Sophia.
I'm going.
Sophia, you're up.
Do I'm going to come over there?
I didn't far, I swear.
I don't know.
I smell something weird.
Go ahead.
How about it?
Go ahead, Sophia.
Go.
Go.
I'm being pulled.
This is why women shouldn't approach.
See, we're not.
I'm not good at this.
That's exactly how guys sound when they first started.
But men can practice this.
You literally murdered.
Okay, what's the scenario we're in?
Let Sophia pick the scenario.
We're at Starbucks.
Starbucks, like waiting in line.
Yeah.
We just got in Starbucks.
We walked through the door.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, are you Maddie?
Yeah, I'm Mike Davis.
How the fuck do you know her?
I was going to say, how do you know my name already?
That's kind of weird.
That's kind of your boss.
I saved him.
I saved him in the forest and in the middle of getting attacked by a shark and a musician.
You thought I was bad?
You're going to suppose I was bad.
She's not trying.
You're the reason why you have a job now.
Because Brian's still alive.
I so want to drop the R slur right now.
That was like the most.
Yeah, I actually want you to try it.
You should try it.
She's going to try.
So we're just walking in Starbucks.
Hi.
Hi.
You're really pretty, by the way.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
Gorgeous.
Thank you.
Are you single?
Yes, I am.
I'm single too.
Okay, it was as good as that.
I was going to tell them I'm single too.
I don't know what you'd say, but like, let's just ignore that.
Okay.
But like, that's just nice.
Girls just want that, you know?
Like, it's like, you guys are overcomplicating this.
But it's like, you know.
Do you want to attract?
Yeah.
I absolutely like flattery.
Yeah, I do.
Is Brittany secretly by?
Hello?
Sure, sure.
Here's my number.
Or Snapchat.
Here's optional exchange.
Yeah.
Okay, that one was pretty good.
That would just have to be normal.
That's probably the best one.
Yeah, that was really good.
You just gotta have casual conversation.
You gotta, like, actually present some like typical objections that a woman would.
You just gotta call her pretty.
What do you mean, I did?
Yeah, okay.
They're usually just gonna say they're taken or not taken.
If you're if they're not interested, I think we've established though that it's not easy.
It's not that hard.
I just did it.
All right, we'll have Brittany go and let's go.
Yeah, you did.
Great.
But you're good at.
You said you've approached guys.
Yeah, you've asked them out.
You like know what to do.
Yeah.
I've never done that.
Okay, I need this.
Oh, yeah, no worries.
Hey, thank you so much for coming.
Appreciate it.
Hi, nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
Alright, so we're in a.
We're walking down the street.
We're about to go past each other.
We're waiting at a bus sign.
Okay.
Yeah, we're waiting at a bus stop.
Okay.
Well, I'm not, but like you are.
I see.
And I'm going to make.
She rides the bus.
She doesn't have a car.
Sure.
Hey.
Hi.
And that's how you do it.
And that is exactly how you do it, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm going to say dollar a lot.
And it'd be a dollar bill.
It's simple.
Just like, men are overcomplicating this.
Just open your big black wallet.
I would say Sophia's pretty right.
Like, you just need to have casual conversation.
Nothing creepy, you know?
Like, don't be like, damn, you got a fat ass.
Like, just be like, you're really pretty.
Be like, I have a lot of money.
Or be like, I own 15 Burger Kings.
Oh, gosh, yeah.
When I come into my lamb aging that it's rare and weird, like being like, oh, I know people don't do this anymore, but like you really caught my attention.
I'm just saying no.
Where everyone's trying it, God.
Yeah, we're done.
You can just put it back.
Thank you.
Damn.
Very much.
You didn't give her a chance.
I got the furthest by giving her the money.
I got the furthest.
All right, let me do these last.
Y'all should title it.
Every guy out there, just do what Sophia just did.
It wouldn't be that.
I had a girl I dated who said that she saw me as a boyfriend, but after having sex three days later, she said that she changed her mind because my schlong was too big for her.
I mean, what the fuck?
She was 30.
This is in Japan, FYI, with a Japanese woman, poor women, with a Japanese woman, poor excuse.
Yo, Black Lotus, thank you very much for your donation there.
Appreciate it.
Is he trolling?
And everyone clapped.
Congratulations.
What a legend.
Totally happened.
And then our last one here, Brian, explain hoeflation to these girls.
Write meow.
Thank you, Tyler.
Appreciate it.
Explain hoeflation.
Okay, hoeflation.
where the hoes are flated so hoflation is this term I've heard that is it is basically inflation It's inflation, but with hoes.
Like there's a lot of them.
So basically, I think it goes, fuck, I forgot exactly.
I've said it before, but it's slipping my mind a little bit.
Modern men have to work five times harder as their grandfathers to get women 10 times worse than their grandmothers.
And this is based on what?
Just this.
Obvious science and statistics and like peer-reviewed document.
And like it was Harvard studies.
I think they did a study from Harvard on hoeflation.
It was very.
I did it.
Called women hoes.
It was a very reputable study.
Harvard, Stanford, Yale.
But there you go.
Modern men.
Compton Community College don't go after women.
They don't approach, and they want the women to pay half of everything.
So, of course, it's harder for them.
I think women should honestly pay for the whole date.
I'm a feminist person.
They should.
Half and half.
You're going to get a blue-haired one without a person.
You know what's funny about the hair?
Color in the hair.
I actually, I used to like the women who had colored hair, like red or blue.
Because this was back in the day before it meant she was like a raging SJW woke feminist type chick.
It just meant she had daddy issues or she was a rocker.
Or you're getting one.
Or she was a weeb, an OG weeb, and wanted to look like an anime girl.
Or an artist.
Because back in the day, I used to dye my hair like dark purple and like not bleach it, but just like put purple over because I want it to be like anime girl.
You guys are so lucky not to lip a woman.
But like.
You're just jealous.
Okay.
I guess that's hoflation.
Okay, cool.
We're going to wrap up there.
I don't know if we're going to do an after-show.
I don't really.
We did the after-show, right?
It's been a bit more fun.
Yeah, we kind of did the after-show.
Madison.
I'm okay with anything because I do have work tomorrow morning.
But we're just going to wrap.
Unfortunately, guys, no after-show tonight.
But unless is there something that could occur to like a what's it called a subathon?
I don't know exactly what it is.
No, we're just gonna wrap up.
It's already been five hours.
So okay, cool.
Final thoughts before we wrap up.
Anybody?
Final thoughts?
Well, thank you for having us on.
Thank you for coming.
If you guys want to wash your ass, you can go to Reed Street Soap.
It's a soap company that I helped design some of the soaps and scents.
And we're creating healthier ingredients.
And they look really cool.
There's an ocean one now.
Nice.
Hell yeah.
Anyone wants to watch?
Can I get some soap?
Can you hook it up with some soap?
If I brought some, I would give you it, but I didn't bring any.
I'm hurt.
I am hurt.
That was very inconsiderate of Brittany to not think of my soap.
I gave his parents soap.
I can only carry so much in luggage.
It's okay.
I forgive you.
I forgive you.
Anybody?
You got to like one pound.
You get like one pound before you get maxed out on that ship.
Like a couple pieces of clothing will max you out on the luggage thing.
Oh, last thing.
Brittany Venti.
Would you be down to participate in a whatever hosted boxing match with Pearl?
Like literal boxing?
Actual boxing.
No, I'm going to break a nail.
Yeah, I'm not going to date her with a, like, if she gets her face.
I'm not ugly enough to do that.
I mean, maybe Pearl would.
Oh, my God.
Is she like six foot?
Brittany's already proven her street crab before.
She should fight you.
What the fuck?
Isn't she like six foot?
Who?
Pearl?
Pearl, yeah.
Like, I have something to lose, you know?
Yeah.
Oh, brutal.
Maybe just like a roast battle.
Oh, my God.
Not a boxing match.
Okay.
Well, unfortunate.
What about Brittany Venti versus is there someone you just hate online right now besides me?
I'm not going to box anyone.
I have nails to take care of.
My hair is long.
They might pull it.
But is there like a taper app?
Is there any creator that you would want to?
I'll Wii box some.
You like Wii Sports?
Who do you want to go up against?
I'll Wii Sportsbox anyone.
Like, you know what the Wii controls?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'll do that.
But I won't physically box someone.
What if the money was there?
Like it was a big.
How much money is brain damage worth?
Yeah, I already have health issues.
Probably don't hit that.
But I'll we sports box.
Yeah, but their defense stat is low, too.
But I feel like CTE is not super common in women, you know?
Well, yeah, because there's no women fighters.
Yeah, well, like.
Like, there's not women football.
I mean, with soccer, you could compare it, because soccer has a lot of brain damage.
Because they do, like, the head buttons.
Yeah, the headbutts, yeah.
But, like, I'm going to get canceled for what I just said.
Okay, cool.
Okay, anybody else final thought before we wrap up this?
I have something to say that's super important since everyone keeps asking.
My Instagram is so good.
Nobody gives a vote.
No, people actually keep asking.
My Instagram, Sophia Jordaning.
Jordaning with an E.
She has a boyfriend now, guys.
She used to be single.
No, I'm going to start a Twitch and I'm going to stream Scar Scar.
StarCraft.
Okay.
Yeah.
Should we do a collab?
StarCraft one or two?
Yeah.
Should we collab?
We'll collab.
Yeah.
Okay, very cool.
Very important.
All right.
Okay, cool.
Well, last call, guys, please hit that like button on your way out.
Thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to everyone who so generously and kindly super chats, donates, TTS, supports the show.
Really means the world.
Thank you guys.
Thank you to the wonderful panel tonight.
It was good.
It was a good talk, right?
No.
I'm just kidding.
Yeah, well, you fucking super cool.
The chat rated.
Like it rated scaled one to the other.
Yeah.
Thank you to all our chat mods who help us out.
Big thank you to Britt, who's helping with different Brit, who's helping with timestamps.
Thank you very much, Britt.
Any women who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
We will be live again Tuesday.
Wait, is today?
Wait.
Today's Sunday.
We'll be live again Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
We got a good show planned for you guys on that day.
So Tuesday, 7 p.m. Pacific.
We will see you guys next time.
I hope you guys have a good night.
Can I see some 07s in the chat, guys?
I thought you were going to go for something else with raising the hand.
Oh, my God.
No, it's a salute.
Not.
07s in the chat, guys.
07s in the chat.
Hope you guys have a good night.
And we will see you guys next time.
See you guys.
Bye-bye.
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