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July 12, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Dating Talk #83

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I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and where you're from.
Go ahead.
My name's Grace.
I'm 29.
I do social media and I do comedy as well.
And I'm from Los Angeles.
You do comedy?
Yes, I do.
What?
You might see some today, actually.
I suspect we will.
Do you do stand-up comedy?
You do skits?
I do stand-up.
I've been like a little closer to my lab.
I do stand-up.
I've been dabbling in skits lately, too.
Okay.
Like anything comedy, I'm pretty much into.
Is that like TikTok stuff?
Yeah, I do be funny on TikTok, but I would say my main comedy expression is doing stand-up.
Okay.
You do be funny on TikTok.
Yeah.
Okay.
If I don't laugh, I'm going to be very mad by the end of this, okay?
Yes, you have to make a laugh.
He was already laughing before this.
He's laughing on the inside.
When that was off the record?
Off the record, laugh.
Off the record.
Okay.
Starting now.
He may or may not have been laughing before this.
And you said you do social media.
Do you do any adult content?
Yes, I do OnlyFans.
Okay, gotcha.
What about you?
My name is Rhea.
I am 21 years old.
I'm originally from the Philippines, but I've been in LA for about 11 years now.
And I work as a recovery counselor for a psychiatric facility, and I'm also an office assistant for a clothing brand.
Okay, gotcha.
What got you into the working at the, you said it was a recovery facility?
What got you into that?
Well, I personally used to struggle with my mental health.
And if it weren't for certain people, I wouldn't be where I am today.
So I kind of just wanted to give back to my community.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
If you don't mind us asking, was there anything in specific?
Is it like crisis intervention type stuff or more like low-key type mental health services?
It's a residential facility, so it's basically a voluntary psych ward.
Voluntary psych ward?
Yeah, like there's no like 51-50 holds.
Like if you're having a mental health crisis, you can turn yourself into the ER and you can get referred to my facility.
So you could voluntarily go there directly or do you have to go to the ER first and then they would refer you?
Yeah, you have to go to the ER first.
You need a referral.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Okay, interesting.
All right, what about you?
Hi, my name is Lexi.
I'm 24 years old.
I'm from Pennsylvania.
And I model online and also in real life.
Yes.
Okay.
What do you mean you model online?
OnlyFans.
Okay.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
OnlyFans model.
Gotcha.
Gotcha.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Case.
I am 19.
I'm from San Diego, and I'm a student at UC Santa Barbara.
My major is psychological and brain sciences.
Ooh, fancy.
Okay, very cool.
What about you?
My name's Armani.
I am 18, and I'm from a small town like outside of Sacramento, down that way.
And then I go, I'm a student at the community college.
CC, Santa Barbara City College, okay.
The community college and I'm a nursing major.
Nursing major.
And you two are friends, correct?
Yeah, we're roommates.
Yeah.
Oh, you're housemates.
But you go to CC and she goes to UCSB.
Yeah.
I commute like about 10 minutes.
Did you guys know each other from back home or?
No.
Actually, I met her through one of my hometowns.
Oh, okay.
Oh, this is actually my tender date, guys.
I'm just kidding.
Christian mingle, farmers only.
Okay.
All the above.
I basically met her through one of my hometown, like Bessie's.
She was her roommate in the dorms.
Okay.
Gotcha.
And sorry, did you say what you're studying at Santa Barbara City College?
Yeah, nursing.
Nursing, that's right, that's right.
Cool.
Welcome.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Gia Chacone.
I'm 26 years old.
I am from Orange County, California, and I'm the founder of For the Martyrs, which is a nonprofit organization advocating for victims of Christian persecution.
Advocating for victims of Christian persecution.
What is Christian persecution?
So it's the persecution of Christians solely because of their beliefs.
Oh, so would this be, this is predominantly people who are overseas, I imagine, like another country?
Definitely.
Yeah, actually, so some statistics, one-third of the world faces religious oppression, and an overwhelming 80% of the oppressed are Christians.
So we're talking about Christians in the Middle East.
I'm sure everybody knew what was happening, or at least watched the news at some point when ISIS was campaigning a war on Christians in the Middle East, and we saw an 80% decrease in the Christian population in just one generation.
So it's just an example of some of cases of persecution of Christians.
Is that because they fled the area or because they were killed?
It's both.
But there was a genocide of Christians both in Iraq and Syria.
And actually right now there's a genocide of Christians happening in Nigeria, believe it or not.
In just one year, we had over 2,500 Christians that were killed because of their beliefs.
Damn, what's going on?
Is there anything like in South America going on or is it pretty challenging?
Actually, yeah, believe it or not.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
Everywhere?
Not everywhere, but first of all, communism is on the rise in South America.
And under communist governments, religious people suffer.
So any people of faith are suffering under a communist government.
It's the same in China.
But right now in Nicaragua, actually, they're imprisoning priests and pastors for refusing to shut down their churches.
And Mexico, which is not quite South America, but in Mexico, priests are being killed because of the cartel.
So we're seeing like an increase of priests being murdered because they're a threat to the power of the cartel.
So it's really a global issue, and it continues to increase every year.
Yo, Adam Barnett, thank you for the 20 gifted memberships.
Thank you very much.
Did you have something?
Nope.
Oh, you're just finger gunning.
And so do you like, you go into these countries and you try to get them out?
Or what are you guys doing?
So we do a couple things.
Yeah.
So first of all, we try to meet the immediate needs of Christians who are suffering.
So we've done on-the-ground work in Jordan with the Iraqi and Syrian refugees.
In 2020, when there was a major war that happened between Azerbaijan and Armenia, we brought crisis relief to internally displaced Christians.
I was in Iraq in 2022.
I brought humanitarian aid to internally displaced Christians in Erbil.
So a lot of work in the Middle East.
Got it.
Okay.
Madison, what about you?
My name is Madison.
I'm 18 years old.
I'm currently a student at Santa Barbara City College studying economic accounting.
I work for the whatever podcast.
I'm a host at a bar.
And yeah, that's all.
Okay, cool.
My name is Matt or StaySafe TV Online.
I'm a Twitch streamer and YouTuber and I'm also the owner of the business PowerGum, which is a caffeinated chewing gum.
Yes, and by the way, welcome back, Matt.
Backed by Popular Demand.
I think Matt was on dating talk number 79, and we saw you guys in the comments.
That was a wild one.
That was a wild show.
And a lot of people were like, you got to bring Matt back.
And it was unfortunate, too, because there's a little situation in that episode.
So unfortunately, we didn't get to cover as many topics as we would have liked to during that show, but Matt is back.
No situations today.
No crazy situations.
No crazy situations.
Keep it tame.
Yeah.
But Matt's a friend of the podcast.
He's come all the way from Washington to be here.
Awesome guy.
Great guy.
By the way, he's a Chad female no more lock in World of Warcraft.
You can catch him streaming twitch.tv slash staysafe TV, correct?
And he streams World of Warcraft, some other stuff.
He's about to embark on the hardcore servers here pretty soon.
They're coming out soon.
They're coming out soon.
Just a quick note on PowerGum.
Last time Matt was here, he graciously left the team some boxes of power gum.
So we've been noming on it.
And we're happy to do a little promo.
You can use code whatever at powergum or excuse me, power-gum.com to get 10% off.
Basically, it's a caffeinated gum.
What, 50 milligrams of caffeine, right?
Yep.
There's a bunch of vitamins, vitamin D, vitamin B.
It's super convenient, fits in your pocket.
So, I mean, I'd say just, you know, stop wasting your money on Starbucks.
They dump a bunch of sugar in that crap.
And I'm not even a coffee drinker.
And I've been having, like, no cat, like, I don't really drink energy drinks, don't drink coffee.
I've been having one or two of these a day just as like a little pick-me-up.
Yeah.
And it's definitely been super helpful with like work and energy levels.
So yeah, I don't know if you wanted to tell us a little bit about it.
Yeah, it's convenient.
Really, I mean, I go to the gym every day.
I have been playing video games all day, every day for the last five years as a Twitch streamer.
And I tried all the caffeine products, all the drinks, the powders, the pills.
And I'm like, all of these suck.
They're all terrible.
So I figured I'd try to make something new.
And so I made PowerGum, which is just a caffeinated chewing gum.
But it's really, really, really good.
We've been in business for about two years.
We've sold just about, well, I think as of like a week ago, we've sold 10,000 boxes of power gum over the last two years.
We ship internationally.
Over 50% of people that buy one box of power gum, they come back and buy a second box.
Wow.
That's like a better returning customer rate.
That's a better returning customer rate than like a crack dealer, okay?
It's good.
Not that this is as bad.
Listen, okay, maybe that's the wrong way to put it, but people like it, okay?
The point is it's a good product.
So if you buy it, I think you'll like it.
Use code whatever, 10% off.
There you go.
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.
And there you go.
I was going to say one other thing about it, but it slipped my mind.
You've got to get gummed.
If you can chew it, you can do it.
That's what I say.
If you can do it, you can do it.
There you go.
In any case, so we are going to go around the table and get everyone's current relationship status.
So, Brian, before you do that, it won't let me show the super chats.
So, if I click show.
Oh.
Wait.
That's weird.
Sorry, guys, we're having a little technical issue.
However, I'll go adjust that really quick.
So, we're going to go around the table.
What's your current relationship status?
So, are you single, friends with benefits?
Talking stage, situationship, relationship.
If you are single, how long have you been single?
And also, what's just your longest relationship you've ever had?
And let's start with you.
Go ahead.
Okay, I'm single right now.
I would say I'm like an ex-serial monogamous.
I was in like multiple serious relationships back to back.
The longest one was four years, and two of them were in different countries.
So, they were long distance, yeah.
How long ago was that?
About four years.
Where were those guys living?
Actually, no, I'm lying three years.
England.
I dated a guy who was in the military and he was English.
And then I dated and then I dated a Parisian man, too.
Was it hard doing long distance?
It was difficult, but I feel like there was like a lot of good things about it.
Like, it was actually probably one of the best relationships I ever had.
Like, we cherished our moments together more.
We got to know each other way more.
And, like, when we would see each other, we would do stuff because we hadn't get seen each other in a while.
How often?
Yeah, but it can get hard.
Like, in the end, I think that's why we split up because you can only do that for so long.
It starts to feel like a chore, like, texting every day.
How often would you guys like see each other throughout your relationship?
So, because he was in the military, he had specific times off.
So, like, we would always, I would spend about a month there at Christmas.
We would go back and forth.
He would see me, and then I would see him.
So, it was like very planned out because he had specific time off.
So, it'd be like two weeks, and then two weeks.
The longest would be about a month.
And you guys were monogamous even when you were apart?
Yes.
Okay.
So, you're single, correct?
Yes, I am.
Wait, yeah, what about the well?
Yeah, yeah.
She's about to sing.
So towards the end I was like we were having problems and I was like we should be in an open relationship.
You suggested that.
Yes.
Okay.
I also had like a friend who was like very into that so I think she kind of like planted the seed in my head a little bit.
So I told him that and he was like no, no, for months and then finally he was like okay we can try it and he ended up being with someone else and I didn't.
Oh wow.
I'm sorry.
But I was like, you know.
Yeah.
I couldn't be that mad.
So how long have you been single?
About two years.
Two years, okay.
And you said your longest relationship was what?
Four years.
Four years, okay.
I've had like other like two year, three year relationships too though.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm single.
I have been single for a day and my longest relationship was a year and a half.
Wait, you've been single for one day?
Yeah.
Like I don't know who runs the Instagram account, but when I responded to the questions, I had only been single for like two minutes.
Oh wow.
Holy.
Okay.
Wait, so okay, and how long was the relationship that just ended?
Like two months.
Okay, two months.
And was that your longest relationship?
No, my longest relationship's a year and a half.
Who ended it?
I did.
Yeah.
The longest relationship or the most recent relationship?
Both.
Both?
Okay, you're a heartbreaker then.
I wouldn't say that.
So one day ago, by the way, how long were you dating said person?
Man, woman?
The person I just broke up with?
Yeah.
We were dating for about two months.
I mean, we were official for a month, but seeing each other for two months total.
Okay.
Man, woman.
Yeah.
Why did you dump said person?
Several reasons.
We kind of just had different expectations from each other in a relationship.
Like the more our relationship progressed, we just, or I just realized that we weren't too compatible.
I'm scared to say too much because he watches this.
So hey, yeah.
Do you want to wave to him into this camera and just be like, hey.
Hi.
Is he upset about the breakup?
yeah he's very well no i'm not gonna say that oh okay Yeah.
Maybe a little bit.
He's moved on.
Yeah, maybe.
I think so.
Maybe.
Okay.
We should have had him come on and then you guys could have worked it out or figured out all the.
Okay.
What about you?
What's your situation?
I am single.
I've been in one relationship my whole life and that was it lasted two years and that was between I was 17 to 19.
So now it's been like five years I've been single.
Five years single.
Okay.
I mean in that five year period what would you say is like the longest period of time that you've been seeing somebody?
Maybe you haven't had a boyfriend but maybe there was a three month fling or something.
Yeah I've had a few like situationships but they've never progressed.
I'm actually somewhat in one right now but in the situationship?
Yeah I mean I feel like it's important to get to know someone before you date them.
So that's kind of where that's at right now.
So yeah, we're just you know getting to know each other.
Is there just one situationship?
Yeah I'm always exclusive.
You know I'm never gonna like talk to more than one person at a time.
And if you know for any reason like I were to I would let the other person know like you know that's what I'm doing.
Is the guy that you're seeing is he exclusive to you right now?
Yes, as far as I know, yeah.
And he does seem very honest with me, so I do appreciate that.
So I think we're honest with each other.
Is it really a situationship?
I mean, you're both exclusive to each other.
You've been seeing each other for what, two months?
That's a good question.
And I have definitely brought that up to him as well.
I was like, what are we doing?
Is this going to turn into anything?
So it's just, you know, it's just one of those things.
People are complicated and relationships are complicated.
So you want it to be something more than it is right now?
Yes, I do.
But I'm also not going to wait forever.
What do you think his holdback is?
I kind of think the same thing.
He just wants to get to know me as a person and see the different sides of me, which I would like to do that as well.
I don't know.
It does feel like a relationship.
So I guess, I don't know.
There's just no title.
When you're in the situationship, you don't have an active Tinder account or anything like that.
You're totally locked down.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
So he doesn't have any dating apps either right now.
He deleted his as well.
Sounds like you're dating then.
That's what it sounds like to me.
It does, but then like, why don't we have a title, you know?
Wait, did you ask for a title?
I did.
And what did he say?
He said just that, like, he'd like to get to know me more first.
So.
We've been talking for about three months now, so I kind of understand that.
I think it is early.
Is it though?
Is it?
You know?
But how much longer are you willing to wait?
Until you get that figured out.
I actually just called it off this morning.
Oh.
Wait, so you're not in this situation shit.
I guess.
Or is it maybe it's going to be on again, off again?
I hope not.
You called it off this morning?
I did, yeah.
How did you do it?
I just said, like, you know, I don't see it going anywhere if it's not gone anywhere this far.
And he said, like, what is the reason?
You know, like, why do you want to stop talking?
And I said, you know, I just feel like we should take things more serious.
Or, you know, like, I don't know.
I just kind of wanted a title, I guess.
But at the same time, it's like, what would change if we did have a title?
I'm not really too sure.
So.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you would know he wants you more, I guess.
I think I was looking for like a little bit of like reassurance.
That's probably what I was looking for.
Well, I think this is what was in Brian's head.
And this is like, I think this is the male point of view.
If he hasn't given that title after three months, he's just kind of having fun with your problem.
And that's what I realize as well.
That's kind of my thinking, too.
So.
The Merovingian donated $100.
I have sampled every language.
French is my favorite.
Fantastic language.
Especially to curse with.
Is it?
Nom de dieu de putan de bordel de mer de salapare de conadding kildetar mer.
It's like wiping your ass with silk.
I love it.
Okay, that's...
There's someone who's just, like, dropping, like, hundreds of dollars every stream to leave, like, movie quotes.
That's from the Matrix.
Part of the Matrix.
the first one though it's from the chat is it the matrix from the second one or the third one Yeah, because he makes his first, the Merovingian makes his first appearance.
In any case, thank you, the Merovingian.
And then someone who speaks French.
That was beautiful.
Okay.
Moving on.
What about you?
Relationship situations?
Yeah, I'm in a relationship.
I've been in a relationship for two years.
Two years?
Okay.
Started dating in high school, and I've known him since middle school.
Since huh?
When?
Middle school.
Middle school.
Been friends since middle school.
Okay.
Yeah, but.
And were you guys, but you've been only dating for two years.
So you guys were friends beforehand.
Okay.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
Cool, cool, cool.
Does he live here or is it this long distance?
He does.
He goes to the same school as I do.
So it's pretty convenient.
And it's nice.
He's great.
Good times.
Good times.
What about you?
Mine's a little kind of complicated.
So I just moved here two days ago down here.
I'm from like SAC around that area.
And like I've had like a situationship-ish for like the last two years.
As I've been single, I've actually never dated anyone ever.
Well, you said you've had a situation for two years, so you're kind of dating him.
He's like dating, but like not dating.
So it like started as a friend.
It's like a hookup type thing.
It's weird.
So it's like started as like a friends with benefits.
Yeah.
And then it moved into like, no, you're just my best friend.
Like we both just kind of like friends on each other.
And then it like benefits?
No.
Were there still benefits?
There was no benefits.
Cut off the benefits.
So there were cut off the benefits at that point.
So his two-year situationship started as friends with benefits.
How long did the friends with benefits period last?
That was a year.
We were just like, meh, I'm bored.
Like, okay.
We can be F. Because I met him in high school.
Keep in mind that.
So like the last year of high school was like that.
And then outside, when high school ended for us, it was just like, oh, we're just friends.
Friends.
And then.
But there's been some occasional.
Well, no.
There was no occasional.
It was just like friends.
Just like dropped like that.
Did you flirt?
Oh, yeah.
Dude, I want a free date, a free meal.
Come on.
What?
You're using him for free food?
No.
What's up?
Okay, keep in mind.
I paid for his food too.
Okay.
But he's like a big dude.
I'm not going to pay like for a meal that he's probably going to finish mine.
He's obese.
So he spent more money on the food than you have.
Wait, hold on.
He's like 20.
No, no, no.
He's just like 6'3.
So he's like, definitely eats more than me.
6'3?
He played.
How tall are you, just out of curiosity?
I'm 4'11.
6'3, 4'11.
Okay.
So he played like Offensive Line.
So he's like a big one.
Oh, he's an O-line.
Dude.
So he eats a lot.
And then, I don't know.
So outside of high school, we just became really close friends.
But then it kind of like transitioned into more like, I think we like each other, but like nobody ever made the first move to anything.
Right.
So like he literally helped me pack like to move and everything and like stayed in my house that whole weekend and everything.
But then like we never became anything more.
It was just like, oh, bye, I'm moving.
But he's still like one of my best friends.
So you were friends with benefits for a year and then just friends for a year.
It was like just friends, but then like, okay, probably about the last, it was probably like six months friends, and then six months like we're basically dating, but like not dating.
So like occasionally hooking up, sort of?
Well, it turned into more like dates.
Like, hey, let's go to the movies.
Like, let's do this.
Oh, so then no hooking up?
No hookup.
There was occasional hookup.
Occasional hookup.
But it wasn't like this first year where it was just like non-stop.
But then also we're like.
Whose fault was that, do you think?
Or was it kind of a mutual for what?
Like inevitably.
Well, I mean, like, you guys, you said that there was the passion and then the fire.
And then a year comes around and then it's kind of fizzles a little bit.
And then there was nothing.
And then it was friendly.
Okay, I feel like because he didn't.
I feel like because, I don't know.
So we didn't want to like be with each other because we were both in like weird times in our life.
It was like our last year high school.
I was like, I'm not going to settle down for someone.
I'm going to move to college soon.
Like, where am I going to settle down?
But then I was like, oh, I'm going to take a gap year off college.
Because I'm still young.
Like, I'm 18, just starting college right now.
So I'm like, okay.
But he, in the like, last year, I just realized like, maybe we are just better as friends.
But like, if he would have asked me, I probably would have said yes.
But we both were just like weird ports in our life.
When's the last time you guys hung out?
Hung out?
What is it long distance now?
Okay, you said you're just like, we're not dating, but I still talk to him every night.
Oh, you talk to him on the phone every day.
Do you call him every night?
He calls me, actually.
Oh, he calls you.
Stop answering.
Well, he's like, okay, but he's like, if he wanted to, he would, ladies.
So, like, if he's your best friend, he wants you.
But, um.
Well, I was going to say, if he hasn't made the move, then he doesn't want, he doesn't want her, right?
But he's calling her every night.
So men always do what they want to do.
You just moved away.
You're at a very transitional time in your life.
Even if you were to get together right now, how would that work for you?
Well, that's what I'm saying.
I think we both know we're at weird parts in our lives.
Like, he doesn't even go to school right now.
And, like, I don't know.
Just keeping in touch.
Just like besties.
And, like, maybe if I'm single when I'm like 35, be like, hey, what are you doing?
It's okay to not know what you want.
Yeah.
He definitely showed me what I need and don't need in my life.
That's good.
Okay.
So, I mean, when's the last time that you guys in person hung out in like a romantic capacity?
Before you said you just moved to the middle.
Do you mean like a date or just like in general?
Whatever.
Well, I mean, literally like two days ago.
Before you left.
He literally stayed the whole weekend at my house to help me pack and like clean everything.
Even though I did most of it and he just kind of watched me.
Okay.
I was kind of like, is he seeing other girls?
Okay.
I don't know.
Well, like, we've never been like yes and no.
So like he used to, but like recently like stopped.
And he's like, I don't think I'm really looking for anyone.
Besides you?
Well, I don't, he never said that.
He didn't say that part.
Okay.
I think we both know, but it's like.
He doesn't want to say it.
We both just don't want to admit it.
Yeah.
Okay.
And so, hold on.
Were you seeing other guys?
I never really looked for people.
I don't look for people.
Like, I didn't look for him.
He just kind of found me.
He found me through one of his friends that I actually was like talking to with a huge guy.
You mean some other guy found you?
Okay, so actually, weird story.
I actually met him for one of his best friends.
Who you were dating?
No.
Oh, okay.
Just like, was talking to for like literally like a week maybe or two.
And then he introduced me to him and he's like, hey, here's my friend.
And obviously, you're like, I'm going to upgrade friends.
No offense.
Because that dude was like 5'7.
And like little?
What?
You're 4'11, though.
How are you gonna hate on a 5'7 guy?
Look at it.
Think about it.
5'7 versus 6'3.
Why does that matter to you?
You're 4'11.
It's fun, you know?
I don't know if I've seen way nicer.
He was more like a teddy bear.
You know what I mean?
Like a big teddy bear versus like this random dude that pretty much probably didn't like him.
Okay, you're walking it back, so it's actually not about the height.
It's just a plus.
What would you do?
If I'm trying to date a guy, if you're liking a guy, why what?
I'm going to spoil this.
Actually, don't get me wrong.
We love short kings because they're super sweet.
Do we?
I do.
I like it.
I like the thought of a short king.
I'm just going to.
I have an image.
Someone's got to love the 5'7 guys.
Okay.
That's actually the lowest.
It should be the 4'11 girls.
What about the 4'10 girls?
Then they can get the 5'6 guys.
There's a link sent to the chat chats group.
Just pull up the Instagram.
Wait, so, okay, 4'11", so you were kind of, were you somewhat interested in this guy who was 5'7"?
I was, but I feel like once he started liking me back, it kind of was just like, you waited too long.
Okay.
And then he was friends with the 6'3 guy who you've been in a two-year situationship with.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
No, the first dude, and I was just kind of talking to him because I was bored.
But the 6'3 dude was one of his really close friends.
Okay, Eric, do you have the image?
Uh-oh.
We have a meme related to this.
Oh, no.
Oh, could you?
Oh, that's fine.
Sorry, I don't date guys below six feet.
That's perfect.
That's literally 5'7 ⁇ .
That's actually you.
That's literally the height difference, too.
Damn.
Rip.
Yeah, he was 5'7 and you're 4'11, right?
Yeah, but I'm more like...
Are you sure you're not like 4'10 and a half?
Okay.
Just make sure you're not.
It's actually 3'4.
4'10 and 3'4's.
4'10 and 3'4's.
You can't be claiming 4'11.
My mom will get mad at you.
You are misrepresenting your height.
She will literally scream at me.
I have to say 4'11.
Why?
Does that make you?
She gets really mad at me.
Like I put it on my license that I was 4'10.
She's like, you're not that short.
How tall is your mom?
5'1.
She says 5'1.5.
Isn't that ironic?
Like 5'9.
Okay.
Can I talk to the short guys?
Listen, short guys in the audience, you are so lucky.
If you're 5'6, you're 5'7, you know any woman that's into you really loves you, okay?
They're not any of this physical bullshit.
They care about you.
It's genuine, okay?
The short guys, it's actually like sort of a built-in default vetting process that they have with their height.
They're lucky.
Short guys are lucky.
Here's the thing, though.
Short kings are really nice.
They're really sweet, okay?
I've had a lot of short king bessies that were like the nicest people I've ever met.
Like Lily would get out and pump my gas before I even stopped like the car.
And I'm like, oh, you're so sweet.
But would you date a guy who's 5'7 ⁇ ?
Yeah, I would.
As long as I'm not making eye contact with you like eye to eye, I think you're fine.
But if you're like 5'1 and I'm literally looking at you and like I can throw you on the bed, that's a no-go.
What if the guy is 5'1, but he makes 300 grand a year and he's jacked?
He's muscular.
No, that's even worse because then he's gonna look like a little like Roblox dude.
Well, I'm not saying it's a meatball.
He's got a good build.
All right, just a good looking guy.
No, it's so the height, that little is absolute deal break.
I think the lowest would be 5'7.
Lowest is 5'7.
Amazing.
Good times.
Good times.
Okay, so it's complicated.
So do you think there's going to be a definitive breakup with this guy now that you've moved here?
Or do you think you're going to keep a long distance thing?
I feel like if he was to get a girlfriend back like where we live, he'd probably cut me off.
Oh, and that brings me back to what I was asking previously.
I was asking if he was seeing other girls.
Oh.
Like the first year, we were both just kind of like, we can see whoever we want.
Like there's no like ties to us.
Do you know what I mean?
I was just like, oh, you're my friend.
Like I see you every now and then.
But like, I feel like the closer we got, the more end it became more like just to us.
Gotcha.
And were you seeing other guys or were you, like, what was, what were you up to?
Before it?
Yeah.
Yes, but like in the last like six months to like a year.
Well like I don't really like talk to people.
Like I don't go out looking for people.
I'm just doing my own thing.
Sure.
But like if someone finds me like let's see what it is.
Did you just like read manga?
No.
Like you said you don't talk to people, so maybe you just like stay at home and like watch Anime shit.
No, I just work a lot, keep myself busy, focus on myself.
But like if someone finds me randomly, I'm like, okay, that's kind of cool.
Okay.
Rock and roll.
What about you?
I'm in a serious relationship.
We've been together for seven months and my longest relationship prior to this one was about two and a half years.
Okay, cool.
Well, how did you meet this guy?
Because you're kind of all over the place.
Yeah, so we met through work, actually.
Okay.
Yeah, in Washington, D.C., of all places.
And so is it kind of long distance depending on where you are and where he is?
No, we don't live that far away from each other.
He's in California also.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
And you're here enough to, it's kind of normal.
Yeah, so I'm from Orange County.
So yeah, it's very normal.
All right, cool.
Nice.
I'm in a very lovely, committed, monogamous relationship with my boyfriend, Frankie.
we've been together you're kind of sinking behind her if you can like oh i like can't really Maybe scooted a little towards Matt.
There we go.
Perfect.
We've been together for about like 10 and a half months.
And this is now my longest relationship.
Rock and roll.
Do you have like a promise ring or something?
I do.
I always show it to them.
It's a promise ring.
Okay.
Wait, what's the promise?
We love each other forever.
Forever.
Okay.
Forever and ever.
So a promise ring is like, it's like a pre-engagement ring almost.
Yeah.
It's like a commitment, like a vow of commitment, and basically that it's like headed toward marriage.
It's not legally binding.
Yeah, exactly.
When I hear a promise ring, I think of the Jonas Brothers like a decade ago.
Like a chastity.
Like a nasty ring.
What are those?
Didn't they wear those?
Is that what it was?
It means they're not having sex?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Like a celibacy ring or something.
I didn't know that was a thing.
Matt, what about you?
I have been married for almost three years in September, and we've got a two-year-old daughter and a son in one month.
So my wife is very, very, very pregnant right now.
And she's watching right now.
So hi.
Hi, Kathy.
Hi, Kathy.
Congratulations.
Congrats.
Congrats.
So you said your son's due in about a month?
Yep, in August.
So hold on.
I have a question for you.
World of Warcraft announced that they're releasing hardcore realms.
Confirm or deny, let's say the realm releases on the due date.
Let's be honest.
You're going to be home.
She's going to be a single mom.
Yeah.
No.
No, I'm kidding.
Of course.
that's terrible no if if listen if that comes out if the new world of warcraft stuff happens on the due date then i'm not playing wow Then you got to be a dad for a couple weeks.
And you got to, you know, help with the infant with the newborn stuff.
You need to get these priorities.
Well, I was about to say you need to get your priorities straight because I mean, there's only one opportunity to be fresh, hardcore.
Fresh, fresh.
What about fresh firstborn son?
That's cool.
I guess that's cool.
That's badass.
That's not bad.
Okay, very cool.
So I just had one question just to bring it back to you.
So you just broke up with your boyfriend.
Yes.
Has there been a rebound?
No, that was just yesterday.
I mean, never say never.
But I actually just remembered something when you mentioned that you were married.
I'm actually married too.
I forgot.
We're just separated.
What?
You're legally married?
I'm legally married, yes.
That's how she got.
Is that how you got the green card?
No, it wasn't for that.
I'm like, I'm legal.
You're a citizen.
I'm not a citizen, but I'm a permanent green card holder.
Like, I'm legal and everything.
So that's how you got the green card?
No.
No, not at all.
Okay.
Well, I got married last year, but I've been living in America for 11 years now.
I've had my green card for 11 years.
Okay, okay.
How did you get the green card?
I'm not sure how the process was, but I think my grandpa was already living in California, and he petitioned for my mom, my brother, and I to come to America, and it took two years.
Oh, okay.
My wife is from Germany, so she's been living in the U.S. now.
So she got her green card, and it was an absolute pain in the ass to go through.
This is during COVID, all the all my nightmare.
Absolute nightmare.
Wow.
Wait, so you guys are separated?
We are separated.
We got separated.
It was December 30th, actually.
Did you file for a divorce yet?
Or are you planning to?
We're filing for annulment.
I just actually did the paperwork today.
Yeah.
Whose idea was it to separate?
It was mutual.
We were not working out at all.
Like, we were fighting all the time.
We just knew it would be best for us to separate so we wouldn't end up hating each other.
How long were you guys together before you got married?
Oh God.
A month.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yes.
And why did you decide to get married?
Honestly, we did it because we thought it would be funny.
I don't really, I don't ever want to get married.
I've never really taken marriage seriously.
And the day we decided to get married, we were actually both on shrooms.
And what had happened was I'm a model, so I did a photo shoot with my best friend.
And the photo shoot we did was at a house and I posted it on my Instagram and my caption was, oh, like, just got married and bought a house as a joke.
And then when I was doing shrooms with my ex, he brought up my Instagram post and he was like, wouldn't it be so funny like if we got married?
And I was like, yeah, like that would be really funny.
And we were like, okay, like let's do it.
If we lost, we lost.
Like I'd be able to get my citizenship because I'm not a U.S. citizen.
So a month later, we got married.
Okay, listen, men in the audience, when you guys are like, 50% of marriages end in divorce.
Okay, this is padding the number.
That's one of them.
Do you remember?
Did you get married?
I do, because now I have to go to court to get an annulment, which is a pain in the ass.
Yeah, I bet.
Wait, you said you didn't take marriage seriously.
Why?
Was it the drugs that you were on when you decided to get a bunch of people?
Yeah, but a month later, she still did it.
Yeah, I still did it a month later, so it wasn't really the drugs.
I guess I just thought it would be funny.
I don't know.
It was a very impulsive decision that I definitely regret.
How old were you when you did this?
20.
20, okay.
Young people are impulsive.
Did you have any donated $100?
Was there a prenup?
Good to see you back, Mr. Meepal.
Was there a prenup?
No, there wasn't.
No prenup.
So did you have any problems dividing resources or money or anything?
It was pretty clean?
No, it was very clean.
Okay.
That's good.
Yeah.
Wow.
Good times.
So you are, you will soon be a divorcee.
Yes, or I don't know if I will be a divorcee because I'm going to have an annulment.
So I was going to just void the marriage.
It's as if you were never married, I guess.
Yeah.
Okay.
You'll be an annual NLA.
An NLA.
NLA.
Wait, but you never answered the question.
So why do you think you don't take marriage seriously?
Like, where did that come from?
And what do you think marriage is for?
Like, what do you think the purpose of marriage is?
I feel like growing up, I've just never really been around healthy relationships.
So it's hard for me to really think about that right now, especially.
Would you say that after that experience you take marriage more seriously now?
Or do you still have the same outlook on it?
Well, now I would definitely take marriage seriously, but also at the same time, I don't really think I would ever want to actually get married besides what I did.
I don't think that really counts as a real marriage because it was a joke, even though it was legal.
But my whole life, I never really planned on actually getting married.
I just don't really see a point in involving the government in my relationship, even though I did it, I know.
Based.
Yeah.
Do you think that there's, I mean, outside of just like the legal status of being married, do you think that there is something deep and profound about making a public declaration to vow your life to someone else?
Not really.
I just don't see the point.
Okay.
Do you think that like your joke marriage or whatever affected the way you think about marriages now or you're just like flat out no?
Not at all, no?
She's just saved $99.
Hey, good to see you back, man.
Shortstack is absolutely within her rights to prefer a man who is 0.01% of the population.
Never mind when those guys use you as a spinner and toss you.
Gents, make sure you give the same energy.
Toss her if she's 0.01% fatter than your preference.
Your response to Mr. Zentience.
Wait, is he calling me fat?
No, I don't think he's calling me fat before.
But is that true?
If you're 6'3, is it 0.01% or is it 1%?
I thought it was 1%.
I've seen a lot of people over 6'3.
Well, I think, well, okay, I think it's definitely less than 1% of people are 6'3 and above, I think.
But I don't think it's 0.01% because I think like over 6 feet is 15%.
6 feet's valid, though.
I think above 6'3, 2005.
I feel like that makes sense, like, for what I see walking around in the world.
Yeah.
Everyone's taller than that.
Well, since we're, by the way, Zentience, very good to see you back in the chat, man.
It's been a while since we've seen you.
So welcome back.
Why don't we actually go around the table on the height thing?
Thank you for bringing that up, Zentience.
So do any of you have a height preference when it comes to dating?
And also, how tall are you?
So how tall are you?
And do you have a height preference?
If so, what?
Go ahead.
I'm 5'5.
I like want you to be at least as tall as I am.
So you'd date a guy who's 5'5?
Like, sometimes I have a hard time telling how tall people are.
I just don't notice it that much.
Like, unless you're way taller than me or way shorter than me, it's just not that apparent or obvious to me.
It's not something that sticks out.
Would it bother you if you were wearing heels and your guy was like an inch shorter than you?
I've been in that situation.
No, but I guess if I had to like pick, I would say tall for like genetic reasons.
I feel like tall people are like valued more in society and have like better agility and ability.
So I would consider that for like procreating.
So you would want a taller man to have kids with, as opposed to?
If I had to pick between the two, I would feel like there's reasons that I would pick tall.
Also, like they can help you and it's kind of nice to look at.
But good thing I don't have to pick.
Well, what does that mean?
You don't have to pick?
I feel like there's different people.
It's not that important to me.
There's other factors like personality and stuff.
But if I had two guys that I really liked who are like equally as available and had the same things and one was tall and one was not, I would pick the tall guy.
You pick the tall guy.
And kids are something you want to have?
Yeah, I want to have kids, but at the same time, I don't feel like I need to have kids.
Like, I would have kids if it's the right time and I'm in a good situation where I feel like I can nurture them properly and like it's also I can have a good life and do the things I want to do.
But I wouldn't just have a kid because I feel like I need to for some reason and not be like stable enough to support that.
Yeah, sure.
What about you?
I'm 5'2 and I'd like to date someone who's at least 5'5, I guess, because I wear a lot of platforms, but I don't think I really care too much, honestly.
I'm gonna agree with her.
I'm 5'2 as well.
I think 5'5 is like 5'5 is like the shortest that I would consider dating.
Okay.
Yes.
I'm 4'11, and my boyfriend is 5'7, so he's a short king.
Oh, you're 4'11, too.
Yeah, but I'm also short, so it kind of works out.
Okay.
I've talked and dated guys that were as short as 5'2.
I grew up with a mom who's taller than my dad.
My dad's 5'1.
And my mom's 5'3.
So I guess I never really took height into that much consideration.
I think for me personally, I just prefer someone to be a couple inches taller than me, and I don't think it's too hard to find that because I'm already so short.
So yeah.
Is it my turn?
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, well, you kind of already went.
Well, don't get me wrong, though.
5'7 isn't short.
I'm not calling you guys short kings.
You're still like, you're like the six-foot equivalent to me because I'm like short.
But sorry to offend any 5'7 ⁇ or up, but anything under 5'7, I'm so sorry, guys.
Have they been coming for you in the chat?
I haven't been able to do that.
Oh, yeah, they have.
I'm sorry.
Rip.
What about you?
I'm 5'3.
I honestly don't pay too much attention to height.
My boyfriend is tall, which is great, but honestly, I look at other qualities.
Obviously, personality and being able to have a connection is really important, but I look at other traits.
Like, are they going to be a good leader?
Are they a provider?
Do they have other masculine traits that I'm interested in?
And I think that even, you know, outside of physical appearance, although physical appearance is important and having that physical attraction, I think having masculine qualities is more important.
M-Dog.
I'm 5'2.
I honestly don't really care that much about height.
Like you said, luckily, my boyfriend is, my boyfriend's like 5'11".
He sometimes he says six foot.
But the shortest.
They all do.
Yeah, they all do.
My ex-boyfriend was 5'6.
I didn't have a problem with it at all.
I think being taller is a plus, so like I think being like guys like shorter girls.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just tuning into what you just said there.
So you said you guys were kind of joking about how like a lot of guys will exaggerate their height, lie about their height.
Has that been your guys' experience?
Maybe some of you have been on dating apps where a guy claims he's six feet, but actually he's like 5'10.
Or, you know, maybe he's a different height.
Maybe he's 5'6 and he says he's 5'9, something like that.
Have any of you experienced that on, for example, a dating app?
Yes, absolutely.
Yes.
I feel like guys do it all the time, to be honest.
Even if it's just like an inch or like two inches more.
Sure.
And maybe a show of hands from the table.
Do you guys think it's wrong for men to misrepresent or lie about their height on a dating app?
Do you think it's wrong?
It's like catfishing.
You don't want a girl that catfishes.
I don't think it's wrong.
It depends to what extent.
Because I understand I round up a little bit.
If you want to round up maybe like an inch, I'll give you that.
Assentions donated $100.
We'll come back to that.
Hey, thanks.
6.3 inches is 1% of the U.S. male population.
I was just being hyperbolic.
But I wouldn't need to explain it as much, seeing as how majority of this panel's favorite color is clear, with a personality to match.
men who claim these girls should reconsider word with the favorite color is clear okay Okay.
Zentiens's are, don't take it personally.
He's a resident roaster.
I think he's been throwing back the whiskey.
And he recently, my understanding is he was in Vegas.
I was actually in Vegas with him.
And he's got deep fucking pockets, Zentience.
I'm talking like made a shit ton of.
Really?
Oh, are you interested?
Maybe I could get you guys connected.
In any case, me and him were in Vegas.
And like I said, deep pockets, he made up fucking millions on Doge and GME, like the stock shit.
Million, like seven figures on, or excuse me, eight figures on Doge.
And he lost a million dollars.
We were playing, what's it called?
Baccarat?
Baccarat?
Huh?
Baccarat?
Huh?
I believe it's Baccarat?
Baccarat?
Baccarat, I believe.
It was a mat.
Macagara.
That's a role.
What's the one where the week?
Backaman?
Backfammer?
Oh, roulette.
Roulette.
Oh, my God.
Jesus.
Okay, totally.
He actually lost an actual title.
He lost a million dollars on actual $1 million on it.
Easy to come, easy to go.
That could have paid my rent for like the next five years.
Zentience is a degenerate gambler.
I actually, I was tempted to check him into a rehab facility.
So he's a little salty.
So if he takes it out on you guys tonight, I just want you to know, don't take it personally.
He just lost a shit ton of money.
Just saying.
Okay.
Is he a gambler?
Like he gambled.
He lost a million.
Degenerate.
Yeah, I know, but like in general, is he consistent with gambling or was that just like a one-time thing?
I mean, with gambling, you normally end up losing.
Well, I gotta ask.
So when Brian said that Zentient was a millionaire, you perked up.
So is that the number one thing you're looking for in a man is money?
No, but I feel like people like assume that about me a lot, so I like to joke about it.
Okay, so you just kind of play into it.
Yeah.
But really, it's not as important.
No, it's not that.
It's like not the most important thing.
What's the minimum amount of money a man has to make in order to date you?
We'll come back to the hype thing after that.
If he's making, what if he's like a Giga Chad?
He's 6'3, top 1%, but he's making, looks good, makes 50 grand a year.
I feel like for me, there's like a difference between like someone I would date and someone I would like settle down with or like get married to.
Okay.
You know, like if I was just dating someone, as long as they like can pay for their own stuff, they don't want me to pay for things.
They have like money to do stuff.
They're not always in a bad situation.
And they have some sort of ambition and like drive in their life, then they could make like just a minimum amount of money to do those things.
But if I was like gonna build a life with someone, then I would need a pretty good amount of money to have the life that I would want.
But I like to work too.
Yeah.
And I like to make money, too.
I'm not looking for somebody to, like, chomple at least for the worst.
We'll just get a good wife.
Thank you, Proverbs 2119.
Just get a great wife that doesn't nag you.
What if she started out?
What if she started out as a great wife, but then, you know, there was a steady decline into just a total grating personality.
You know, so why do you think that happened?
Why did it happen?
Did you not, was it your failure as the man to not vet that woman properly enough?
No.
Because that's the point of the dating process is that.
So maybe you're not providing for her emotionally.
And I think, well, sorry, go ahead, continue.
Maybe you're not fulfilling all the duties that you should be as a husband.
And so she feels a lack because of that.
No, I don't think so.
I think in these situations.
Are you single?
I think in these situations the man is never to blame.
No, I'm kidding.
I'd say it's hard to attribute who's to blame in these situations, but it's often a complaint that you hear from men about their partner being, you often don't hear women complaining about men being nagging.
You hear other complaints, but you don't often hear women complain about men nagging them.
Let me give you a situation.
Let's say I'm going to make a business, a multi-million dollar business, and I'm going to go into business with a business partner.
It's you.
Okay, we're making a business.
Multi-million dollar deals are on the table.
And we've only known each other for three or four months.
We don't know each other that very well.
And after two or three years, I find out that you're a rat, scumbag, you've been embezzling money.
You've been screwing me over every step of the way.
Most people would blame me for not vetting you well enough.
And I think that's fair, right?
I'd be at fault for not properly, because we got into business pretty unshort nothing.
I think both people would have accountability.
I mean, you transgressed, right?
But I didn't do my due diligence in vetting my business partner.
That's how I look at a marriage also, right?
I think when I'm looking at, this is my advice to most people, if you want to marry someone, you want to see how they are in the fall, winter, spring, summer.
You want to see do they get seasonal depression?
Do they do things that make you uncomfortable?
Are they annoying around the house?
How are they dressed?
There's 10 million different little micro variables you need to vet out.
And this is the process of dating.
And so part of it is like, well, what if your wife becomes a psycho five years into the marriage?
Well, I think more often than not, you can vet for that.
I think so.
And I think people are not approaching dating from that mindset.
And I think they probably should.
Yeah, I mean, certainly I think each partner has a responsibility, like you said, to do their due diligence and screen for potential things that could be an issue down the road.
My thinking is, though, however, is that I do think, and look, I think, I don't think one party bears all the blame or all the responsibility or accountability.
I do think that there is a potential once you've been put, for example, and I think this is typically when it comes to the women, once you've secured the bag, aka wedding, marriage, you know, it kind of does give an opportunity for potentially either partner to start feeling a little comfortable in that relation and comfortable in a bad way, you know?
So, for example, comfortable disrespecting your partner potentially.
So you need boundaries.
Word.
Well, I also feel like people just don't know how to date anymore.
I think that they don't know how to date or like vet or whatever phrase you want to use for it.
And I think that people use people, especially in our society right now.
Like women oftentimes will use guys for attention or for money or for comfort or whatever it is.
And men use women for their bodies and also for comfort.
And we have this society that's so conditioned to using people instead of loving people.
And if we dated with the mindset, I want to get to know this person, I see their dignity and their value, and I want to see if this person is a potential life partner for me and invest in them, I think that we would have different outcomes.
But unfortunately, because of our selfish society, people are dating to use people instead of dating to love them and dating to commit to them long term.
Yeah, I do think my mindset on dating is that dating is a process with which you find a person to marry, right?
Yeah.
And so I think people are just sort of dating very flippantly.
Maybe it's for physical pleasure or just for fun or whatever.
It's just someone to do things with versus, okay, this is someone that I am testing out for marriage.
And the second I determine that our personalities are incompatible, I think it's probably best to break it off and maybe move on to someone new, right?
Well, so much of relationships are transactional instead of actually sacrificial.
And really, a healthy, strong relationship, both partners will be sacrificing and not giving 50-50, but giving 110% or 120% and showing up and sacrificing every day for that person.
But unfortunately, we have people, again, using people, having transactional relationships, and not upholding the dignity of the other person.
Well, let me ask, as a matter of, oh, did you have something?
Oh, okay.
Okay.
In terms of proportion, who do you think is more likely, just on the gender level, who do you think is more likely to be a user?
Because you mentioned transit, you know, a lot of people are approaching relationships in a transactional way.
Men.
You think men are more likely to be using than women.
Okay, using women or do you think, or using relationships?
Which one are you?
Because I think men use women all day long, you know, as opposed to women.
Yeah.
I think there's a difference between using a guy in a relationship.
Like, let's say you're trying to get something out of him.
So you're kind of, I don't know, agreeing to be in a relationship that you're not totally into the person or whatever because you think it's benefiting your life in some way.
Is that what you're talking about?
Or are you talking about just generally who uses the other person more?
Sure, okay.
Let's let's go into that.
So you said the way that men typically will engage in transactional relationships with women or use women is they use women for their bodies for sex or whatever.
I, to some degree, reject that.
But then you said, did you say that women will use men, for example, for financial reasons?
They will.
Sometimes.
Some women.
Okay.
I would argue that there are more women who are engaging in transactional relationships of this nature than the reverse.
And here's one reason why I think there's a very small proportion of men that are able to command that sort of attention from women.
Whereas most, like when it comes to like the relationship dynamics, I would say most women, generally speak, like let's look at the average here.
Of course, I think there's this component of women will be, a lot of women are all chasing after the top 10, top 20% of men.
So those men have quite a bit of negotiating power in relationships.
However, you take an average guy and an average woman, I'd say the average woman is running circles around the average guy.
And I think that's because women are much more socially attuned.
By the time a woman is 21, she's had much more social experience.
And I think just naturally speaking, women are more socially attuned than men.
So women, I think, are much more capable of running circles around men than the reverse.
But most women are not getting into relationships because they think that they're going to get some sort of like lifestyle benefit or something like that.
They're in a relationship because they actually value the connection.
And I would say that that's not always the case for men.
Okay, let me ask you a question.
Who do you think should pay on the first date?
Men.
Well, right, that's a bit transactional, don't you think?
No, because it's not about the transaction of just them paying.
It's about that, first of all, I believe that men should pursue women.
I think that men should take the leadership in relationships.
And even on the first date, I don't think that it's about, oh, he should pay for my meal and I'm going to go on the date with this guy and get a free meal out of it, which a lot of people are saying as a joke or serious.
I think that it's a sign that that guy is willing to invest in you, if not only in time, but also in his money when he pays for your first date.
Well, you just said invest his time and his money.
So isn't that to some degree a transactional?
It's not that it's a transaction.
It's a show that he's willing to sacrifice in the future for your family or to take care of you.
Why shouldn't women be doing that?
Women do do it, but in different ways.
So for example, if a woman becomes a wife, she might sacrifice her career to take care of her family and to have a baby.
And women sacrifice in a different way than men sacrifice.
Yeah, but it's not a given when you first meet somebody that you know for certain if this person is going to be the person you spend the rest of your life with.
So, I mean...
It's part of the pursuit.
Maybe you're saying like two years down the road, that's potentially when a woman brings her end of the deal.
Like, I'm just.
I think it's part of, I don't think it's about bringing her end of the deal.
It's part of the pursuit.
I think women are meant to be pursued.
Unfortunately, in the world we live in today, women have taken on masculine traits because they feel like they've confused the idea of having equal rights as being the same as men.
So we have it backwards where now we have a lot of women who think they need to pursue.
And also with this idea of like this like scarcity idea that all women are going for the top 10, 20% of men, it's like there's this notion in women's minds that there's like a scarcity of good men.
Well, I would argue that there's maybe a scarcity of good women also.
And that has to do with, first of all, women taking on masculine traits, like pursuing the other person.
But it also has to do with us creating an environment that breeds weak men that don't want to take leadership.
Also, like, some men, I feel like, like to do that.
Like, I feel like men like to express themselves through doing stuff for people and taking care of you.
So that can feel good to some men as well.
I like it when a woman simps.
Acts of service.
Acts of service.
I start simping.
I got to say, one of the functions of a high testosterone, Giga Chad, high-value male is that you need to be willing to take risks.
And one of these risks, you need to make a calculated risk, but one of those risks is, okay, I'm going to pay for the first date because this woman might three years from now, like give me her womb and bear my children.
And that's a sacrifice that she's making for me, but I need to be willing to take a calculated risk today because that might be what happens as a result.
Is that not fair to say?
I think that's part of the pursuit, though, also, is showing the woman that you want to invest in her and take care of her.
It's not just about what might happen in the future.
It's part of the game, so to speak, like the cat and mouse pursuit.
Yeah, it's like a balance of masculine and feminine energies.
It's not so specific, like a chart.
Yeah, I gotta say, this is the only thing I disagreed with you on, is your hesitance to use the word transactional.
I don't think that's a bad word.
Like, I've got a stay-home wife.
We have a very aggressively traditional relationship.
We are both very, withdraw their attention.
These women are not worth it.
Buyer beware.
Who allowed women to become hedonistic purveyors of over-sexualized content?
Who allowed women to do that?
Men did.
Well, I mean, women have autonomy and agency, so I mean, you know?
Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you this.
I think the downfall of women is a direct result of the downfall of men.
It's men becoming weak.
It's men becoming lazy and lethargic and addicted and overweight and porn addicted.
And I think men are down bad, and as a result, women have their own meatball donates.
We'll get you $100.
Hey, thank you, man.
You shouldn't sacrifice for a relationship.
You should do things because the relationship you build brings value and joy to your life.
Sacrifice implies you're doing something against yourself for someone else.
100% true.
I think actually it is beautiful and noble as a husband to live sacrificially for your wife and for your wife inversely to live sacrificially for you in the same way you're doing for your children.
As a father, as a mother, your job is to live self-sacrificially for your children, for the betterment of your family, of your bloodline, of your wife, if you're the wife or your husband.
There's nothing wrong with being self-sacrificial as long as it's a beautiful, symbiotic, reciprocal type of sacrifice.
Okay.
If you're not inconveniencing yourself ever for your loved ones, then how can you expect to have a healthy relationship?
You're not going to.
It's not going to happen.
You need to get over this.
It's all about me.
It's all about me.
If you're not willing to make a compromise for your wife or for your children or whatever, then it's not going to work for you.
I know you maybe wanted to come in on something and Zentience.
We will come back and address your point.
Go ahead.
I forgot what I was talking about.
I think I already said it.
She's a stand-up comedian, folks.
But if it comes back to me, I'll let you know.
Let us know.
Give us a little wink or something and I'll try to weave you in.
Okay.
So yeah, I mean, Zentience was saying that current dating is downstream from female hedonism since they perpetuate culture, such as access to sex.
Now, you're taking the super trad stance on it, which is, well, men bear kind of ultimate responsibility because we as men ought to be and should be leaders, and we are failing in our duty to be leaders.
Yeah, I mean, if you look back through human history, at any time that you would consider traditional or based or whatever, the men have been the ones that are sort of foundationally building society.
That's just that seems to be the case, right?
And so if men are traditionally the builders of society, if you have a traditional lens, if you're looking at relationships through that lens, if women are becoming OnlyFans models at age 18 or, you know, whatever, we're kind of in a weird societal spot i i i i don't think men are entirely off the hook Yeah.
But I think the blame falls on both men and women.
Most certainly falls on both.
Well, I think that right now we've got an epidemic of weak men.
Very, very weak, addicted, overweight, lazy men.
Before I let you come in, does anyone on this side of the table want to weigh in?
I'd like to try to pull you into the conversation.
Why can't women be the breadwinners?
Like, why can't I be the provider for the household?
And like, what if my husband wants to take care of the kids?
I feel like you're not going to be able to do it.
I will so be a stay-at-home dad for you.
I got you.
I think that's becoming more common.
I'll take care of the kids.
What I'm saying is, I feel like men are now expecting women to be the breadwinners.
Men are more willing to rely on the girls for money now.
Hold on just a sec, guys.
$99.
Allowed to be hedonistic.
They are strong, independent women now.
Equal treatment, unless they have proved they are worthy of your traditional role through their actions.
Women can't be objectified unless they objectify themselves.
I agree about weak men.
I mean, I think it's...
Women can be objectified without objectifying themselves.
Absolutely.
I don't think there's been a time in human history where you've had more young men, this is a younger generation thing, more young men objectifying women, and this is a result of pornographic content, OnlyFans, Instagram, things like that.
You've never had a time where there are more young men objectifying women and more young women commodifying men, viewing them as nothing more than a paycheck or money or some sort of resource.
Absolutely.
And so this relationship dynamic is super, super toxic to how people should and have always functioned.
It's like, okay, we're going to date.
I'm going to vet my spouse.
We're going to get married.
We're going to have kids.
That's not happening.
There's so many roadblocks in the way.
Yeah.
It's also not just about providing for your family.
I think that the traditional role of a man has more to do than just taking, bringing home the bread or the money or whatever it is.
There are other aspects in a husband that make him a provider and a leader and a protector.
Like, for example, what would you say makes a good husband outside of just monetarily providing for the family?
I would say the path of a traditional man is that path towards becoming the best husband, father, protector, provider you possibly can.
That's an all-income.
It's the idea that you would die for your family, that you would protect them, that absolutely you would come between anything that threatens your family.
Yeah, and then inversely, the path and the role of a traditional woman is that path towards being the best nurturer, caregiver, wife, and mother you possibly can be.
and living sacrificially to those ends.
I might buy that element of the situation.
Yo, Doc Natalis, thank you for the TTS man.
Much appreciated.
There's a lot of chatter on this.
I just want to keep tabs on everything.
Fathers have failed perhaps fathers.
I don't know if it's fathers I mean, it's women who are divorcing the men.
Some people are raised without fathers, even.
There are most certainly.
I think probably if I could snap my fingers and fix one problem in our society, and we have a lot of problems in our society, probably the biggest problem is the complete collapse or degradation of the traditional family unit.
Right now, you've got like, it's like 25% of kids don't have a dad in their house.
That's kids right now.
Kids that are being born right now, like if you're born today, there's like a 65% chance your parents aren't even married.
That's if you're being born right now.
The traditional family unit sentience.
We donated 100.
Thank you.
No, you bobblehead.
Women must objectify themselves first before any man can.
I would say take accountability, but I doubt you would understand, let alone spell the word.
It's called morals.
Try and learn some before you start objectifying yourself.
Just one thought on what Zentiens just said when it comes to objectification.
What is it?
Objectify?
You know, there's been a lot of talk from feminists, and there's a criticism of men, how they have a tendency to objectify women, and there's this sexualization and objectification.
However, we saw, what, two, three years ago with the mass spread of OnlyFans, women kind of do that shit to themselves.
Like, they objectify themselves.
There's this talk of, oh, men, they view women as objects, but like, here, you can see my naked body for $4.99 a month.
Can I add something?
Go ahead.
I think in terms of OnlyFans, those are women consenting to those pictures being released.
And I don't have an OnlyFans, and I don't know many people who do.
So, of course, my perspective is limited in that regard, but I do think that's a more consensual manner.
I think it becomes a problem when it's like, and it can go both ways, you know, people, I guess, objectifying like men on TikTok and men objectifying women in the gym or something.
Like, you know, it's just like a widespread problem, but I think it has more to do with like, I don't know.
I don't know where I'm going with that.
Well, okay, I mean, even going, even going beyond OnlyFans, I mean, if you look at a girl who doesn't do any sort of adult content, but you can look at like a lot of women's Instagrams, for example, they're taking to some degree semi-provocative or fairly provocative photos like, oh, like bending over fucking camera, looking straight up the hoo-ha in like a bikini.
And like, when I say objectification, it's like you are putting that out there on your own with your own agency.
I think that some women might think I'm being objectified anyway, so I might as well capitalize on it as well.
But is it objectification for a man to find a woman physically attractive?
Here's what I'll say.
I think probably the most valuable virtue that a man can have is discipline.
If we had men in this society disciplined, there would be no more porn.
There would be no more OnlyFans.
Who would be jerking off to it?
No one would, right?
Like, is porn a bad thing?
Very bad.
Absolutely bad.
Terrible.
Shots fire.
Super bad.
They've done studies on the effect that porn has on both men and women.
And if we're just talking about men, the studies have shown that it has all-around negative effects on men, not only in their relationships, but also in their productivity and their energy levels, in their desire to achieve more for their lives.
The more that there's a direct correlation for how much men are consuming porn and how, I guess, like stagnant their life is.
And because of the dopamine increase that they get when they watch porn, it makes it harder to get that dopamine in other places.
So they'll feel less satisfied in their work.
They'll feel less satisfied in their partner.
I've seen those studies, actually.
I've looked into that.
But I would think that it's like similar to other things in life that give you dopamine, like your phone or candy, that it's like needs to be regulated.
And also I would imagine like some of that, the way they feel, is because of like the guilt and shame surrounded around porn in our society.
This is what I think when we're talking about porn addiction.
My concern with addiction or dopamine release.
I wasn't talking about like porn addiction.
I was just talking about porn in general.
Well actually they did a study not even about adult content but about men who had a lot of they followed a lot of like social media models or whatever Instagram models on social media.
They said they did a study that they were less attracted to their partner in real life the more there was like direct correlation for how many Instagram models they followed, how much they're scrolling, how much time they're spending on their phone looking at these women and how attracted they felt to their partner or people they were meeting in real life.
That's so true.
By the way, I'm not here like defending porn or anything.
I'm kind of just like playing devil's advocate and like throwing into different perspectives and like trying to understand how people feel about it because I'm just so closely related to that industry as well.
Yeah, I'm sure you've seen a lot of things that or know of a lot of things that we don't even know about.
I certainly do.
Yeah.
And I know you said you weren't talking about like porn addiction, just porn in general, but like you said, it's like a dopamine fix.
Once a kid gets candy, they're going to want to eat more candy.
Once someone watches porn, they're going to keep watching porn and eventually become a bit more like that.
But then there's also people who have like healthy diets that eat candy occasionally.
I think it depends on like the personality.
Well, okay, so when we're talking about substances that have the capacity to be very damaging to you, or we'll use the word addiction, and you can bring up candy or video games or porn or heroin or whatever, right?
I think what's less important to talk about is the fact that something can be addictive or release dopamine in your brain and make you feel good versus the capacity for that addiction to cause really, really substantial damage to you on the micro level and society on the macro level.
Porn is very, very damaging to you as an individual and society on the macro.
And there's like 20 different stats you could throw out to talk about this gender dynamics and dating and marriage and divorce rates and it all sort of ties together.
Porn has been a very, very damaging experiment on the minds of young men.
And the earlier you start watching porn as a as a young boy, some people are, I mean, kids these days like 11 or 12, they're watching hardcore pornography.
Your sexual dopamine reward center is, in most cases, permanently just completely fragile.
I'm definitely familiar with the and the way that it like makes people view sex and what they think is okay.
I'm just curious, like, do you think society could exist without that?
Or is it just like something that you feel like is like deemed to be created no matter what?
Well, I think there always be porn to some degree.
This is what I'll tell young men, though, is that, you know, blaming promiscuous women for the downfall of society is not going to get you anywhere.
What will fix society and fix young men and the men's mental health crisis is men adopting discipline and stopping consuming this content.
You need to hit it.
It harms women.
You can't talk about this and not say that it doesn't harm women.
The industry harms women.
Another thing is the way that the porn industry functions, like laws that are related to that, also, I feel like affect people who are in it, what is put out there, what's allowed.
Okay, just going back to what you're saying, Matt, you're saying that it's a lack of male leadership which is ultimately to blame.
Let me ask you a question though.
I'd say a lack of male discipline.
Male.
Okay.
Well.
It's men's inability to say no to things that make them feel good in the moment.
Such as casual sex?
Yeah, yeah, promiscuous sex.
One of the biggest problems I have with the red pill community is this hand waving of male promiscuity.
It's this admonishment of female promiscuity and then hand waving of male promiscuity.
It's equally as bad.
Let's be honest.
terrible well the the i think the difference is though is that there are more promiscuous jesus people need to fix their brakes Fuck.
Okay.
Oh, it's a pause.
Okay.
The thing is, though, as far as the hand waving of male promiscuity, I agree with you.
I don't think male promiscuity is a good thing.
I'm someone who believes in the value of relationships.
The thing is, though, is that I think there are more promiscuous women than there are promiscuous men.
An average woman, then below-average woman, if she was so inclined to be promiscuous, could do so very easily.
Not so you could say the same thing about a below average man.
This is what I would say.
I would include pornographic addiction in male promiscuity.
Is that fair?
Do you think that's true?
Because those men are being fulfilled and satiated in just the same way, and as a result of that pornographic addiction, and they're watching porn every single day, sometimes multiple times a day, they're opting out of pursuing real-life women and bettering themselves in the pursuit of pursuing real-life women.
They're totally comfortable with that dopamine drip of pornographic content.
I would put that under the umbrella of male promiscuity.
Well, it's a little bit shifting the goalposts, but I kind of see where you're going.
I mean, the outcome is effectively the same, though, right?
Sort of the form is different, but the outcome is the same.
Men are opting out of traditional relationships.
But okay, if we're talking about specifically the term promiscuity, that's strictly related to sexual encounters.
If you want to make that into an umbrella term that includes male consuming pornography, let's replace it with like profane or perverse sexual conduct or something.
I think the porn thing is a separate issue.
If we're speaking strictly about promiscuity, you can very well make the argument that men consuming porn could very well be taking themselves out of the sexual marketplace because they're fulfilling their needs, their sexual needs through porn.
Although there are certainly men who watch porn and still engage in casual sex or watch porn or who are in relationships with women.
But there's probably a good amount of men who consume porn and that fulfills their need or stifles their need to pursue actual sex with women.
So the point I'd like to make though is if we're going to say, okay, well, promiscuity in men is just as bad or worse as promiscuity in women, well, let's look at the numbers.
I would argue that there are far more women who are engaging in casual sex or promiscuity than there are men engaging in casual sex and promiscuity.
There certainly are men who are promiscuous.
However, there are more women who are capable of, it's very easy to be promiscuous as a woman.
No doubt.
It's much harder to be, if you're a real like attractive guy or you've got charisma or you've got some status, you've got some money.
Do you have statistics on this or is this just something that you think?
It's self-evident.
Can I ask you a question?
It's self-evident.
Hold on.
Let me just address her point.
I want to say that.
Let me just adjust her thing.
Go ahead.
Okay, no, go ahead.
Well, you said, do I have statistics on this?
Would you agree that any single girl here at the table, it's 8.30 p.m. on Tuesday, if she was so inclined, could probably go out to the street or go download the dating app and get sex tonight if they were so inclined.
Well, I don't even need to ask you.
I know any single girl here at this table, you could download the dating app, you could walk on the street, just go up to a guy, say, hey, do you want to have sex?
Might not be the first, might not be the second, but you will get a guy who will sleep with you.
Whereas as a guy, unless you're like super top-tier dude or super charismatic, good luck.
But women are not doing that.
but it's so you're saying that women okay but there's a difference because once you said the capability I'm going to put it down just to 10.
Once you said capability, and the second time you said that women are more promiscuous.
There are more women who engage in casual sex and promiscuity than there are men.
You don't have a statistic for that.
Well, here, I could pull it up.
Eric, could you pull up that chart?
You've pulled it up a bunch of times.
Well, I agree and disagree because if men were the gatekeepers of sex, I think that their percentage of promiscuity would be a lot more than women would.
Honestly.
Like, ultimately, men and women are very different.
They use each other for very different things.
Like, men, it is their duty to protect, provide, and everything like that, be financially well.
So that's what women seek.
Women use men for their money.
Like I said, women are the gatekeepers of sex.
So that's what men seek.
Like, that's what men want even more.
I think the bigger problem is that we have a society of men and women who engage in casual sex, who devalue relationships, who devalue monogamous relationships and think that somehow this lifestyle will make them happy or fulfill them, when statistically that's just not true either.
It's statistically proven that women especially, but people who are in monogamous, committed relationships, are happier and have, and actually men who are married are more successful as well.
So women are happier, men are happier and more successful, and society betters is better because of it.
And we, as women, I don't know how you feel, but we've been told this lie that somehow engaging in casual sex or allowing ourselves to be objectified or whatever terminology we want to use, and I want to be sensitive about it, is somehow empowering.
Do you guys feel empowered by those things?
I mean, truthfully.
And if you do, that's fine.
You're doing through sex.
Yeah.
Personally, no.
No.
I've always been, I mean, this is weird for me to say, but on the more conservative side.
So, I mean, no.
What do you think that you want out of relationships?
Or a relationship?
Emotional security.
Just someone to share and grow with.
You know, a strong leader, obviously.
Someone to show me how to do things.
I feel like most women feel the same way.
Is that not true?
I would say I have a feeling of empowerment related to that a little bit.
Like, through my job, I feel like is related to sex.
So I was able to support myself in a way to be able to educate myself better, take care of myself, have world experiences, and like build myself into a person that I was, I don't think I would have been able to become without that.
Do you think that it has more to do with the fact that you had money to be able to create the lifestyle that you wanted?
A little bit, but also I've learned a lot about people, like interactions, all kinds of things.
But I think money is a big part of it.
Yeah.
And also, I mean, you said that you were into serious relationships.
I wouldn't say like casual sex is something that is so much related to me with that because even though I work in a very sexual industry, I was a dancer for many years too.
I don't know if I mentioned that.
I was a stripper for a very long time.
So even though I worked in that industry, there was a long time during that where I was celibate or I was dating someone else in another country.
So I wasn't having like sex.
If you were given the option, would you want that sort of traditional relationship where the husband is financially providing and you're maybe a stay-at-home wife or mother?
I wouldn't like to say financially providing, but everything else, like I like a partnership.
Like I'm love is something that is very important to me.
I like a monogamous relationship with someone.
I understand a lot about relationships.
I know what I'm willing to give and like ready to give to someone.
I'm a very nurturing person.
So I would like to share that with somebody.
You wouldn't want to be financially dependent on a man?
No.
Okay.
I would like to have someone who contributes with me.
And if you have more success than that, that's great.
But I would never want to be financially dependent on a man.
I've always been like very financially dependent on myself and I can't imagine not having that.
Like what if something happened, you know?
Of course you don't want to think that, but.
Yeah.
Would you expect to be able to continue doing sort of sexual content whilst also being married or becoming a mother?
It depends.
Like if someone was requesting that I stop doing that and they were able to like provide for me to replace that, I would consider it.
I feel like with me dating, it's very important to talk about with anyone that I'm going to be with.
And I really like to try and understand more like what that would be like for them.
Like that perspective of always being on the spotlight, a lot of perceived attention.
So I feel like also with someone like someone dating me happiness is an inappropriate metric for marriage statistics because it is an emotional state of mind.
Happiness comes and goes.
It fluctuates, so what's the point of using that for marriage stats?
Common mistake by trend cons.
There's actually, I mean, this is a very curious thing.
There's longitudinal happiness indexes that talk a lot about this.
I'll try to keep this PC.
Men that don't get married in their 40s and 50s, they are 300% more depressed than married men, and their rate of terminal depression is 200% increased.
Men that are unmarried in their 40s to 50s.
And for women, it's a little bit less.
It's like 200% rate of increased depression, and then 150 or so rate of increased terminal depression.
So if you want to talk about the ramifications of not being in a more traditional relationship, being unmarried, it actually doesn't manifest very well.
I wonder what the difference, though, is between men who have never been married, men who are single, and men who've been divorced.
Well, they had very bad divorces, you mean?
I don't know if there's any stats on that, but I do want to bring it back to, we do have the stats.
Eric, could you pull up the stats?
This is a general social survey.
The Washington Post reported on this most recently as of 2018.
So young men driving the decline in sex, share of men and women between ages 18 and 30 reporting no sex in the past year.
So 28% of men versus 18% of women.
I think this graph would essentially prove that there are more women engaging in casual sex than there are men.
There's also something from Pew Research.
Eric, if you can look in the infographics tab, there's Pew men more single and Pew men more single too.
And this is more recent than that 2018 GSS survey that the Washington Post reported on.
Eric, can you let me know when you have those pulled up?
There should be two of them.
Was that last study single women?
Is it single men and women or is it both?
Which one?
The one you just pulled up.
Was it single?
Is that accounting for people in relationships or just single men and women?
Well, it's the share of men and women between ages 18 and 30 reporting no sex in the past year.
Yeah, so some of them are in relationships.
I'm just saying.
I'm not sure how is that relevant to the statistic.
I'm just trying to...
Because there's a difference between having casual sex and being in a monogamous relationship, which is the point that you were making.
Okay, hold on.
Eric, can you pull up the initial graph so we can the initial one?
Oh, did you X out of it?
So it doesn't really differentiate, but I mean, I suppose some of these people are in sexless relationships, but it's talking about reporting no sex in the past year.
So I'm trying to understand where the relation, whether if they're in a relationship or not, has any bearing on this specific infographic.
Because you, the point that you were making was that women are, this is what you said, that women are more promiscuous than men.
So you're showing whether or not they've had those encounters, but you're not saying whether or not they're in a relationship or single.
And maybe your next statistic talks about single ones, but I'm just saying specifically for that one.
So I'm just, the case that you were making was that women are more promiscuous than men.
And I want to know the statistics specifically on how single women are more promiscuous.
I think that's the graph that the graph just showed that there are a greater proportion of women who have reported having sex than men.
Yeah, but permission in relationships.
Exactly.
But typically in a relationship, you've paired off one-to-one.
Therefore, there's a larger proportion of women who are engaging.
It's plausible that there are, well, I think this is actually the case, that there's women who think they're in relationships with a guy when really that guy has multiple women.
But that would suggest that, I mean, well, in any case, let's see the other infographic.
You did pull up both of them, right?
Okay, the share of single men in the U.S. who are looking for dates or a relationship has declined since 2019.
Okay, so that shows that, wait, the share of single, percent of single U.S. adults who say they are looking for a committed romantic relationship and are casual dates.
So single men, single women, 61%, this is in 2019.
I think the other one's actually more important.
So single men, 50% versus single women, 30%.
I think it's the other one that's more relevant, the number two.
Okay, three in 10 Americans report being single, but this varies by age, and this next one's important, by gender.
So three in 10 Americans report being single.
Between the ages of 18 to 29, 63% of men are reporting being single.
Okay, donating $100.
Stay safe, even if those stats may be true.
That does not help address the declining marriage rates.
Men shouldn't be getting married just to prove a point that they won't get depression or be a criminal, especially when you consider the financial risks.
Yo, Alvin Sam, good to see you in the chat.
Thank you, man.
Yeah, I will say there's a lot of misinformation about divorce rates in the U.S.
A lot of people will repeat this trope that 50% of marriages in the U.S. end in divorce.
It's actually around 45%.
And then if you look even deeper at that, if you look at first-time marriage, so if a man and a woman who are both getting married for the first time, that national divorce rate average is actually 35%.
Because if people are getting married, let's say you're on your second marriage, your divorce rate goes up from 44 on average, sorry, from 35 on average up to 63.
And then if it's your third marriage, your divorce rate goes up to around 70 or 71%.
So this 44% national average stat is getting sort of inflated by people that are on their second or third divorce or people that are, sorry, they're getting divorced super quickly and sort of flippantly.
And then it's sort of different by various socioeconomic or racial demographics.
If you look at two, like my wife and I are both white, we both got married for the first time.
We're not on our second marriage or second divorce.
Our national average divorce rate is 13%.
So suddenly you start sort of looking at the nuance of these divorce rates and it's like, well, it's actually maybe not as bad as you think it is.
We all are thinking 50%.
It's actually, for my demographic, it's 13%.
It's not as bad as you've sort of been ingrained to think it is because these numbers are, like I said, they're sort of stat-padded by people that are serially getting divorced over and over and over again.
I think there's a certain amount of anti-marriage and anti-family propaganda in the country sort of trying to compel you guys from not getting married.
But what's that?
Are you the propagandist?
You're the propagandist.
Anti-marriage propaganda arm propaganda minister.
In any case, let's, Alvin Sam, thank you very much for your two TTSs there.
Really appreciate your support.
To see in the chat, man.
Let's pull back up that stat.
I was kind of getting to.
So the big one is gender here.
Three in 10 Americans report being single, and that's just taking everybody into account.
But it varies by age and gender.
If you look at ages 18 to 29, if you go to about the fourth grouping down, it says men ages 18 to 29 are reporting being 63% are reporting being single.
In that same age cohort, for women, just below it, ages 18 to 29, only 34% are reporting being single.
So what's going on there?
That's very shocking that in their exact same age cohort, you have women who are not single, but you have a large swath of men who are.
So it could be explained by, for example, perhaps women might be dating an older age demographic.
Women, generally speaking, it skews, I think on average, maybe two, three years older than them typically, at least for marriage.
But it would suggest to me that you have a not minimal cohort of women who are dating a small pool of men.
I think you've seen a lot of data come out of Tinder or only what's it called?
Not onlyFans.
Okay, Cupid, this dating site, where it sort of highlights this, this is to your point, this sort of sexually hypergamous situation where it's like the top, this is your GigaChad, you're 8 out of 10, 9 out of 10, 10 out of 10 guys that are having free range in having sex with women from men are not so picky sexually, right?
A 10 out of 10 guy will sometimes be in the mood to have sex with a 5 out of 10 girl.
Sure.
Or whatever.
It's a bad day, whatever.
And so, yeah, you're having the top GigaChad type of guys that are sort of having free reign amongst all of the girls.
And then that means that 70 or 80% of men are not having access to these women.
I think what's happening is you have some hyper-sexual, hyper-promiscuous men at the very top, and then you have some like mid-medium-tier, and that's a small percentage of men that are like hyper-promiscuous, where they're like, you know, you'll have some women like that too.
Then you'll have a higher proportion of women who are like, let's say, medium levels of promiscuity.
And then you'll have like a huge swath of men that are basically incapable of engaging in hookup culture or promiscuity simply by virtue, simply out of necessity.
They can't engage in hookup culture or promiscuity because they just don't have the looks or the charisma or whatever it may be.
And just the last thing I'd point out: if it was the case that there's equal levels of promiscuity between men and women, how would you then explain, for example, the incel phenomenon, which doesn't exist in women?
What's the incel phenomenon?
Are you familiar with incel?
Yes.
Oh, incel, so that stands for involuntarily celibate.
So basically, men who sometimes add like an like how a period of time for it, but basically men who are involuntarily celibate, despite their want and desire to have a sexual relationship with a girl, they're just either they're unattractive or they are severely lacking on some social front or whatever it may be.
They cannot get sex.
I think what's more sad about this conversation is that we're living in an era where promiscuity, multiple partners engaging in casual sex is somehow glorified over having a monogamous relationship.
So I don't know about the women here.
I feel like we've kind of been on this tangent for a little bit, but I'm genuinely curious.
Like, do you, do each of you want to find a life partner to find somebody that you can be vulnerable with to give your love to to mutually take care of each other?
Well, I have a question for you.
Do you think monogamy is like the right way, like the only way it should be?
Like, do you not think non-monogamous relationships are okay?
No, I don't think non-monogamous relationships are okay.
And here's why.
I think that in order to be fully vulnerable and to give yourself fully to into your relationship, let's put it that way, it has to be with one person.
And when you're in a monogamous relationship, it opens room for full sacrifice, full love, full giving of the other person.
And it allows us, especially as women, to be fully vulnerable with our man, knowing that he's going to take care of us and that we don't have to put up this protection over our hearts and over us as individuals and our spirits.
So I think that, yes, relationships need to be monogamous.
And again, if we look at the satisfaction and the fulfillment that people get out of relationships, statistically, partners feel happier and more fulfilled when they're in monogamous relationships.
And I'm not saying that...
Is that a fact?
It's a fact, actually.
It was done by the American Family Study, I believe.
But are we just going to gloss over our back and forth on the promiscuity thing?
You brought up the singleness, okay?
But you said- Well, Maddie, you're taking sides.
No, I will say, okay, so I do agree.
Okay.
I do agree that women are more promiscuous, but the stats that you brought up are 63% of men are single.
That doesn't mean they're not promiscuous.
Can I say something about this?
Only single men can be promiscuous.
I think that men would be as promiscuous as women if they could be, but they don't have the options.
Okay, regardless of whether we think it or not, based on the statistics that you showed, there's not sufficient evidence.
So if you can bring me sufficient evidence that shows the statistics on single women and promiscuity, then we can have that conversation in more depth.
But the ones that you brought were not.
Like, so.
Hold on, but the sex frequency.
Okay, here, pull up the sex frequency one.
Hold on, we'll come back to you.
That doesn't account for women in relationships.
It just says world study on men and women.
It doesn't say anything about single, multiple partners, or anything like that.
And you're using specifically the word promiscuous.
I mean, maybe I'm arsler.
Hold on, keep it up.
Maybe I'm arslerd here, but I'm failing to see how your argument about whether, you know, with this specific.
I don't have a perspective here.
Okay, so let's just say you're right, right?
And women are more promiscuous.
And then what?
Like, men are better.
Like, what are we trying to argue here?
Like, are men better or are women better?
Like, I think that they're different in all of these.
Everything we're talking about is so situational.
Like, this isn't like such a black and white issue.
Like, oh, are women worse or are men worse?
Like, I feel like it's like pitting them against each other more instead of like talking about like ways that we can try to understand each other.
And like, it's okay for some people to have faults in certain ways and others in other ways.
Thank you.
Instead of like arguing, it degrades women to say that women are more promiscuous than men.
So it's not about who's better, but if you're going to make a statement.
How is it degrading women if it's promiscuous?
What does promiscuous mean?
What does promiscuity mean?
Promiscuity.
So promiscuity would essentially if you, my view of it would be if you engage in casual sex.
Why does it be degrading?
Promiscuity because the way that he's engaged in casual sex, you have multiple partners, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah.
I think men are evolutionarily designed to be more promiscuous.
Men have a higher sex drive.
Men have a higher sex drive.
However, men are less able to act on said.
Like, it's much harder for men to secure sex than it is for women to secure sex.
Is it because women can choose to do that?
Why do they sleep with for men to sleep with anyone?
No, why is that harder?
Let me for men.
Why do you think it's harder for men?
Women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
Why do you think that is?
Well, there's a biological basis.
I think women are the sexual selectors, for example.
But also, women are more selective.
Women are more picky.
Like they have standards.
It's because for 99% of the women.
Maybe some women are like that because they're worried about being seen as promiscuous or getting judged, so that leads them to be more picky.
For all of human history, prior to the advent of birth control on what, the 1970s, if a woman is having promiscuous sex, there's a very high chance that she'll get pregnant and she'll be tied down to a man that she might not even love.
Her body will go through enormous changes for nine months.
She'll have to take care of a baby.
She'll have to grow a fetus inside of her.
That's why, I mean, biologically, female promiscuity is generally not a great thing.
That's why women have evolved not to want to do that.
They want to lock down one man.
That's how women ought to behave, which is why generally, if a woman is super promiscuous these days, it's like sort of counter to her biological.
Promiscuity in general is just not a great thing.
I agree with you.
But men and women were kidnapping promiscuity.
I think we can all agree, like, anyone going out and being extremely promiscuous is not a good thing.
Shut it down.
2024, no promiscuity.
Shut it down.
Get married, have kids, get married, tie the knot, say no to promiscuity 2024.
Being honest with each other, you know, listening, seeing other people's perspectives.
You know, that's a good thing.
Okay, but so I can answer your thing about like why.
It's not a competition, y'all.
Okay, but I can't.
I'm not a women competition.
I can answer your thing as to why we're having this discussion.
And it stemmed from this idea that, well, men ought to be leaders.
and it's, you know, men are to blame for the current state of affairs between the sexes, and, I mean, my view is...
I didn't say that.
Okay, my view is, is that...
It sounds like you just want to be blamed.
I have no idea what you're talking about, but what is it like?
I'm going to explain it to you.
I'm the one blaming.
I'm a radical man-blamer.
I blame men to the ultimate degree.
I'm a man-hater.
I hate all that.
But that's not what they're doing.
We actually have a problem in our society where we've, and we were kind of talking about this before the show, like we've created the society that non-stop bags on men and trashes on masculinity.
When, I'm not saying that all men are perfect.
They're certainly not.
And men have failed society in many ways.
But this narrative that masculinity and men are toxic, they're bringing everything bad to society is just, first of all, just certainly not true.
And it hurts men and also hurts women.
This narrative hurts women.
Yeah, and like, I feel like as a woman who experiences that, I want to try and be more understanding of what that's like for men and not just be like, women are the only people who experience that.
Like we both experience that in different ways.
And I feel like sometimes women struggle with that gets highlighted more just maybe because what we're going through in this time, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist for men too.
Well, I'll say, I look at a lot of this.
Oh, here we go.
Joel Bell.
Thank you, Joel.
How?
Like, okay.
You can't?
All right.
So relate those things to each other.
You guys are so ridiculous.
Maybe someone should do an actual study on this and then bring us the statistics and we can come back and discuss it.
Let's go back to capability, though, because that's a big capability.
This is the exact opposite of female promiscuity.
40% of men are breeding and 80% of women are.
That means that it's one man and multiple women more often than not.
That's actually male promiscuity.
What are you talking about?
That's the opposite of your point you're trying to make.
That's one man, two women.
Oh, God.
That's male promiscuity.
Here's the difference: you could have one man who impregnates 20 women.
Yep.
So you could have like a top tier of men that are capable of sleeping with like 100 women, but you might have 100 women who are more promiscuous than the average man.
I would say the average woman is more promiscuous than the average man, simply by virtue of the fact that they are more capable.
That's the big thing.
Capability is a very important component of this discussion.
Women are more capable of being promiscuous.
That's a big thing, though.
Well, Doc Venabilly has donated 100%.
Yeah, thank you, Doc.
Appreciate it.
The studies are indeed confounded by access to sex.
If the numbers are adjusted by number of partners per sexually active individual or individual sexual activity rate, then the few sexually active men will win the contest.
Word?
I feel like everybody's promiscuous.
Nope.
Nope.
We're all on the show.
We're all just some freaks.
Unfortunately, that's not a problem.
Well, not really our society has created that narrative, though.
Right.
I'm just like generalizing here, but like, I'm just saying, like, everybody is different.
Like, we're just, I'm just so confused where this argument is going.
Well, we're having a conversation about it.
Yeah.
So I think we never got a chance to answer the question, though, like, what do women want?
Do you, like, if we did a survey of the women here, would you want to be in a committed relationship where you felt you could be vulnerable and taken care of and that you could fully trust the other person?
I feel like you could still do that in non-monogamous relationships.
I actually feel like it's a lot easier to feel fulfilled and satisfied in non-monogamous relationships because you can go to multiple people for different needs.
I mean, it's kind of, it's really hard when you expect like just one person to be your basically a whole entire support system.
Sure.
Well, let's talk about that really quick, Rhea.
And I think in your pre-show information that you sent us, you said you wanted to talk about monogamy and cheating and that you said modern dating is problematic and most people, you said most people should be non-monogamous.
I think people, that was a little bit extreme of me to say, but I think most people should start considering.
Most people should start considering non-monogamy.
So are you non-monogamous?
I'm confused.
I'm considering it.
I'm figuring it out currently.
I didn't mean to cut you off there.
You said people should start considering non-monogamy because I didn't mean to cut you off their guard.
I feel like society puts pressure on us individuals to only be in monogamous relationships.
Like a lot of people think monogamy is the right way to go.
There's a lot of negative, there's stigma around non-monogamous relationships.
And I feel like if society just started being more open-minded about non-monogamy, people would be able to start exploring that option and there'd be less cheating because less cheating.
Yeah, because I feel like people don't want to be non-monogamous because they think it's wrong.
Like you were saying that you feel like monogamy is the right way to go about relationships.
Do you think that non-monogamous relationships are more successful than monogamous ones?
I feel like the happiest, most successful relationships come out of monogamous relationships.
That's true.
That's proven, actually.
Well, I think it depends on the person.
Like if you want to be, I think the issue is people think that a lot of people think that monogamy is the right way to go about relationships.
If people were to be more open-minded about non-monogamous relationships and were given the opportunity or didn't feel bad about exploring it, then my question would be: what do you think a relationship is and what do you want to get out of it?
Because if it's just fulfilling desires, then that's and you're saying that you'll feel more satisfied or more fulfilled.
Just be single.
It's not a relationship at that point.
Well, I mean, I have a different opinion about that too.
But I will say, though, I mean, we are more than our desires.
We are more than like our want to explore.
And I don't know about the women sitting here, but I know that when you're in a relationship with somebody that you love and that you're committed to, and you feel like you can trust them fully, you feel the happiest, you feel the most secure.
And statistics have shown that.
So my question is, like, why is it not possible to do that with more than one partner, though?
I don't think she's saying it's not possible.
I think she's just saying, like, statistically, it's been shown from what we know so far that that's how people react and function in monogamous relationships.
And there might even be statistics opposed to like polyamorous relationships.
Is that what you're talking about?
When you date, like, when you are like in a relationship with more than one person, but it's somehow just you two.
Or like you have rules within that.
So it goes back to my question of what do you want out of a relationship and what do you view a relationship like?
What do you think it should be?
I feel like a relationship to me is just two people coming together, sharing happiness, and enhancing each other's lives.
Two people.
Two.
Or sorry.
Wait, obviously, as well, I'm conditioned into thinking that monogamy is the default.
You should be.
That's good conditioning.
I love that conditioning.
I feel like I have some rewiring of my brain that I have to do because I honestly haven't, I don't know too many people who are in non-monogamous relationships.
Yeah.
But those who I do know are very happy.
I mean, this is what I'll tell you.
Like every single stat suggests that monogamous relationships, man-woman.
Here we go.
I cannot talk.
Thank you, Mr. Meek.
What is the longest relationship any of y'all have in your family backgrounds?
And how do you view those relationships?
This is what every single stat shows: that monogamous monogamous relationships own.
Like kids do better in monogamous relationships.
Spousal abuse is lower in monogamous relationships versus non-monogamous relationships.
There's less spousal jealousy.
Divorce rates are lower.
You can say divorce rates are crazy high.
Divorce rates are lower in monogamous man-woman relationships than the non-monogamous relationships.
They're just, they just seem to work better.
Also, I can look just a basic equation.
Okay, 50% of my country's population is men, 50% of my country's population is women.
If I'm looking for a foundation with which to build my country, to build my society, I'm looking at one man, one woman, because otherwise you have an inequal balance.
And maybe you've got one woman that has 10 men or one man that has 10 women, and that leads to some very curious, problematic sort of socio-problems, social problems.
Exactly, you said your society, but there are a lot of societies across the world that monogamy isn't the default and they're doing well too.
Like which one?
That's actually not.
Are you talking like Islamic countries?
I'm going to have to.
That's actually not going to be a good idea.
Get back to us on that one.
Randomly, I actually looked into the statistic the other day for my work because I was just assessing abuse in cases of polygamist relationships a lot, obviously.
And I actually had the misunderstanding that this was very prevalent in Islamic societies.
And although it's more common in those societies, it's actually less than like 1% of the world is in polygamist marriages or relationships.
Polyamorous, whatever the correct term is.
But anyway, so it's like less than 1%.
And actually, if you survey those women who are in those relationships, they don't feel happy.
Wait, question for you.
Was your previous relationship, was it non-monogamous?
I've only been in monogamous relationships.
Oh, so then I'm just curious, why the big push to why the big push on non-monogamy?
Well, I just feel like there's a lot of negative stigma about non-monogamous relationships.
And I just don't really see why.
I mean, personally, I've only been monogamous, but if somebody wants to be non-monogamous, like, I think it should be accepted.
And also, I actually saw monogamous.
No, but I saw a statistic, actually.
You guys can look it up.
I think only 17% of societies around the world are wholly monogamous.
And I don't know.
You guys can fact check that.
But I think that's a statistic I saw.
Monogamy, I'm pretty sure, is a norm.
When you say monogamy as a Western materialist people that are taking away from me, did you say monogamy?
Monogamy.
Oh, okay, okay.
There's a missing syllable or some shit.
Yeah, I have a funny way of talking.
It's all good.
It's all good.
Can you monogamy?
Do you understand what I'm saying, though?
What?
There's some moment.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Okay, I mean, I know I mumble.
It's funny.
It's all good.
But when you say monogamy, are you talking about people who are not cheating or presumed not cheating on each other?
Or two people that agree to be together, but they're actually not cheating.
Yeah, they're actually not cheating.
Like it's two people who are very committed to that.
They find their two people lie.
What?
Well, they're not non-monogamous relationships.
Yeah, so that would be non-monogamous.
Or like fidelity.
But how do they know if they say they're monogamous and they never get caught?
Okay, so you're comfortable throwing out the entire concept of monogamy because maybe, I don't know how many people, some people might be cheating.
I'm just asking.
I'm just trying to get clarification.
All right, okay.
I think.
Oh, my.
Yo, Bender, good to see you, man.
$29.
Think about this.
If the woman in the non-monogamous relationship gets pregnant by another person who is not her boyfriend slash husband, the boy, friend, or husband may have to pay for that child even though it is not his.
Well, that's not even really the point.
The point is loving the child and having the family unit to get.
Unless they take a DNA test or take the proper steps to find out if it's theirs or not.
I mean, well, he does kind of raise a somewhat related point as to why, and I'll just touch on this and we'll continue on with the non-monogamy thing.
But why, let's say, female promiscuity is more looked down upon than male promiscuity.
Let's say, for example, you're a man and you have 10 wives.
You know, in each instance, and assuming everybody's loyal to, well, the 10 women are loyal to the husband.
You know that if those 10 women have children, they're all the one guy's kid.
However, if one woman has 10 husbands, you can't determine who the father is.
Historically speaking, yes.
Now we have paternity tests.
We can establish who the father is.
However, that doesn't undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and just culture in society where if men have a built-in, we want to be able to guarantee paternity.
That's a real fear that men have that women can never experience, a paternity uncertainty.
So that's why female promiscuity from men, men have a stronger revulsion, like instinct to promiscuity.
The greater crisis here is that we've created a society that teaches us that we can have casual sex and that we don't need to be committed to one each other, to one another.
And when in reality, men and women were created for each other.
Obviously, I'm Christian.
I believe that God created each of us for each other and that the union that God had in mind for men and women was one with each of them coming together as husband and wife.
And as he's shared, it's not just good for the person.
It's good for society.
It's good for the child.
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Just because divorce rates are low does not equate to successful relationships.
Divorce is lower because marriage is lower.
It's also cheaper to not get a divorce.
Divorce can be expensive.
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Oh, okay.
You're probably, okay.
So marriage rates have been going down for 50 years since the 1970s, as have divorce rates.
So yeah, if you look at the declining divorce rates and declining marriage rates, divorce rates are actually going down faster than the declining marriage rates.
But no doubt, the fewer people that get married, the fewer people get divorced because there's fewer people that even have the option to get divorced.
I'm talking about the fact that if I can spout off all of the divorce stats again, everyone's been taught 50% divorce rate.
It's actually like 45%.
That number is stat-padded by people who get divorced two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten times.
If you're a person that's never been married, marrying another person that's ever been married, your national average divorce rate is around 35%.
But it's different for various socio- or racial economic groups.
It's, like I said, it's not as bad.
You can still say it's too high.
It is too high.
So for my group, for my demographic, it's 13% of first-time married individuals getting divorced.
I've got a white wife.
I'm a white man.
13% is what it is.
Still too high.
I think everyone should, you know, we need to, I would make a lot of changes about no-fault divorce, things like that.
I want people to vet their partners more seriously before they get married in the first place to help prevent some of these problems from manifesting at all.
But my point with the divorce stats and divorce rates is that it's not as bad as you've been conditioned to think it is.
My point is I think there's a certain degree in our society of anti-marriage and anti-family propaganda compelling young men to just opt out of the marriage dating pool and of the child-rearing pool.
That's what I think.
Here, we'll talk about suffer from that.
Okay, we're going to talk about the marriage stuff a little later.
We do need to get caught up on a couple chats here.
So we have, and by the way, Mr. Meepal, we will get back to your question.
Brandon Mels, hey, thank you, man.
Good to see you in the chat again.
Holy crap, every time the girl with blue, actually, can I have you read this one?
Yes.
Holy crap, every time the girl with the blue hair speaks, I feel like I'm having a stroke.
Can I put this video to 1.5 speed?
Also, hi, Brian, and hi, Madison.
Hey, thank you.
Good to see you in the chat, Brandon.
Do you have a response to him?
That was directed at you.
Yes, you could probably closer to the mic.
You could probably screen record it and speed it up and watch it in your free time on 1.5 speed if you want to.
And also, are you sure you're not actually just having a stroke?
Okay, Brandon Mels.
There you have it directly from.
I'm really great contributions to this conversation.
Thank you so much.
You as well.
Okay, Doc Van Ablis.
Matt, I'm going to try your gum.
Also, I agree that the collapse of the family, especially the loss of paternal leadership, has led to decline in discipline of young men, as well as poor role modeling for young ladies.
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, like I said a moment ago, one-fourth of children right now in the U.S. don't have a dad in the house.
If you look at all crime across all aspects of crime, this is assault, this is violent crime, this is robbery, petty crime, this is all sorts of sexual abuse crime.
There's one common denominator amongst almost every single criminal.
They come from a single-parent household.
It is very, very bad for kids to come from a broken family.
So like I said, if I could snap my fingers and fix one problem in our society, it would be to fix the traditional household.
Why is it bad, though, just to come from a single parent?
I come from a single-parent home.
So do I.
I don't think either.
There are three independent daughters that are doing proof of humanity.
I don't think my mom is.
I don't think what Matt is.
I don't, Matt is not saying you are destined to turn out bad if you did grow up in a single parent household.
However, the likelihood it's better to grow up in a two-parent household.
If you're a fetus inside of a pregnant woman's stomach right now, you should be hoping I've got a mom and dad, not just a mom and no dad.
I mean, that's a fetus.
Do you even know what a mom and dad are?
Oh, gosh.
Here we go.
They'll find out.
What is a hypothetical?
Children do better in mom and dad households where they have not just the example and the love from the mom, but also the example and the love from the dad.
And also, children not only benefit from receiving love from their mom and their dad, but also witnessing the love of their parents that they have to each other.
It proves for more successful, more well-rounded children.
That doesn't mean that you can't come from a single parent household and still be like a thriving person and a contributing member to society and overcome like those statistics.
But I think he's just saying statistically, like in general, that's what it shows.
It's harder.
It's harder for you.
Coming from personal experience, I grew up in a two-parent household and yeah, my parents were together the whole entire time.
And unfortunately, my mom passed away when I was 11.
Oh, shit.
I didn't know that.
I feel like I told you that.
Sorry to hear that.
It's okay.
And basically, it was just like my dad for, I'm 18 now.
So for seven, eight years, like it's been just my dad.
And I will say, coming from personal experience, I did feel a lot safer when I had two parents.
And like I felt more, I don't know, I guess comfortable, like financially.
And yeah, just things like that, I would say.
Yeah, no, it's much more challenging.
You're not going to turn it up.
My parents.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
I was going to say, my parents got divorced when I was in the second grade.
My brother is four years younger than me.
He grew up with never having a dad in the house, and I didn't have a dad in the house from a very young age.
It's much more challenging.
I've done well.
I'm the exceptional.
I've thrived.
But it's a very hard situation to be in for kids.
It's very, very bad.
It's a very bad situation.
We cannot tolerate hand-waving broken households in this society.
Our society is too down bad right now.
Things are going too poorly to hand wave fucked up households.
We need good families.
It's important to have a positive role model for people, like a male and female role model in their lives.
And to see that interaction, because that's how you learn to love and interact with people when you're older.
All right, we have.
Mr. Meepal here, pulling this one back up.
What's the longest relationship?
Longest relationship any of y'all have in your family backgrounds?
What does that first part mean?
Our relatives are in the family.
My parents were in high school.
Those are family.
I don't know.
And how do you view relationships?
Relationships.
Is this really related to dating?
Like, we didn't date.
Have any of you dated a family member?
I think it means like, okay, like for example, my answer would be their high school sweethearts.
Been together for a very long time, but I look up to, I don't know, like digital as a positive.
Yeah, I think it was a very positive thing.
Yes, yeah.
Okay, so we'll go around the table.
And Mr. Mipo, I'm trying to maybe redirect this a little bit.
What's your current, you know, your parents married?
Are they separated?
Were they ever married?
And how do you are you?
Were you cool if they got divorced when you were young?
Did it upset you?
Go ahead.
Well, I would say my like the longest like successful relationship in my family that I saw would probably be my grandparents.
Well, no, let's just talk about your parents.
My parents, my mom has never been married, but she was with, I mean, I call him my stepdad.
They weren't legally married, but they had that type of relationship.
She was with him for 13 years.
My mom and my dad got divorced when I was three, and then my mom remarried when I was nine or ten, I think, to my stepdad.
Okay.
My parents got married when I was a few months old, and they're still together 24 years later.
Word.
My parents are also still together and have been married for quite a while.
So my parents have been together since high school and they actually didn't get married till I was about 10 or 11 and then they ended up divorcing when I was 14.
So after they divorced, like I never really saw my dad ever.
Like occasionally, maybe once every year and now and then.
But it was, I lived with my mom and it was mainly me and my mom.
Was it his, sorry, do you mind if I asked, like, was it his choice to leave and kind of be absent?
Yeah, he didn't really try to be involved.
Okay.
I mean, the only involvement was really kind of like.
I didn't meet my real dad till I was 21.
So like, you know, it's never too late.
Maybe he'll come back.
Yeah.
Can hope.
Is that hard for you?
I mean, he was there for a while, but like, he never really got to know any of us.
Like, I love him.
He's my dad.
You know, he supported us.
He was there.
But, like, realistically, I never got close to him.
He lived with us, and I really didn't even know him.
I know nothing about his past, know nothing about his background.
Just know he's my dad.
But you said that they were together until you were 11, they got married, and then at 14 he left.
So, I mean, didn't for 14 years from in your childhood, he was present?
For about when I was little, it was like on and off.
Touching up.
Not until I was about six was he, like, there every day.
Like, it wasn't like he was gone and then.
Okay.
He was like physically present, but you didn't like get to connect with him during that time.
From the time six to like 14, yes.
What about you?
My parents divorced when I was 11 years old.
It was super difficult.
So I actually have five siblings.
I have four sisters and one brother.
It was hard on all of us.
It's still hard today.
My dad remarried.
My mom has not remarried yet.
And it was definitely tough.
I didn't even know that they didn't have a good marriage until they divorced.
And the older I get, the more I realize.
I mean, obviously, I think that my mom was an incredible mom, and she stepped up in so many ways.
And I can't thank my mom enough for all the ways that she sacrificed for our family.
But I do see the wound of how it would have been better for my dad to be in the picture the whole time that we were growing up.
Madison, what about you?
I kind of said mine already.
Yeah.
I think this was directed at the women.
I mean, if you want to.
Well, I would say I would look at my grandparents, my grandma and grandpa.
They've been married 51 years.
For me, that's like inspirational.
That's crazy.
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Your logic is unbearable.
It's unbearable.
Listen, my point is...
Shots fired.
My point is, listen, young men, blaming women and pointing the finger at women is not going to do anything for society.
It's not going to fix you.
All you have to do is be introspective and look at your own behavior and improve your behavior.
And I promise you, if you are a disciplined man, you'll find a woman to follow.
I know you will.
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But posting online complaining about the promiscuous behavior of women, however promiscuous they might be, and they are, is not going to solve the problem.
You've got to become better.
That's just the truth.
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Just one quick thing, and I think this maybe plays into your point that you made earlier about men have a responsibility in this.
Men ought to be leaders.
Because if men were leaders, then that would ostensibly fix all the issues in society.
However, isn't leadership a dance to some degree?
To be more specific, in order to be a leader, there have to be people willing to follow you.
Is that correct?
Yep.
Do you think that, and I think a lot of women want a guy who's like assertive and is a leader?
You know, you'll often see like memes on dating apps about like, you know, a lot of girls say like, oh, I want a guy to pick where we go to eat.
I want a guy who has like that sort of assertiveness, those leadership qualities of like being decisive.
Well, what are they like?
Well, women really like decisive men.
However, is there, I think there's a component of what a lot of women have been taught through feminism and stuff is women want leaders.
Women are attracted to men who are assertive and dominant and leaders and masculine.
However, there's like this other thing going on where it's like they want leaders, but they don't want to follow.
Let me put it this way.
I don't think that any highly successful traditional man is having a trouble finding a wife.
I'm going to just say this.
I can't blame women for not wanting to have a life of tradition, given how 90 plus percent of men are in our society.
There's not enough traditional men to go around.
And so no doubt you've got a lot of women that are fed up with the whole tradition thing because men suck.
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An increase in young men not having sex equal sign slash.
Oh, okay.
Sorry, I wasn't caught up on the lingo.
Does not equal women being more promiscuous.
If you look at the same plot, you actually see the percent of women not having sex doesn't change.
But the men's increases dramatically in the last few years.
Okay, well, no name.
First off, thank you for the super chat.
I mean, your last sentence there does nothing to disprove my point.
Just because there's not an increase in that specific stat I showed you does nothing to refute my argument.
So an increase in young men not having sex does not equal women being more promiscuous.
When I say more promiscuous, I'm not necessarily saying that there's an increase in female promiscuity, although it's plausible there is.
I would say there's been an increase in promiscuity in both genders since basically the proliferation of dating apps and social media.
But I think it's made it a lot easier for those top tier men to just have way more access to just casual sex because, I mean, and we know this by the data released from the dating apps, basically you have women who are only swiping on the top five, top 10% of men.
The top 10% of men, top 5% of men on dating apps have all the choice, all the choice.
And so it's very, very, it's become much easier for them to enact on their capability to be promiscuous.
And I think women will happily like, oh, here's an opportunity to sleep with a guy who's out of my league.
Okay, I'll do it.
But thank you for the super chat.
We've got a couple others, so we got to keep it moving.
Ethan, hey, thank you for the 50.
Invisible Sky Friend opinions shouldn't be the deciding factor in how marriage and society works.
Men and women should respect each other more.
Women are picky and guys will take what they can get relationship-wise.
There needs to be a compromise.
Hey, Ethan, thank you for the super chat.
Invisible Sky Friend opinions.
Okay.
Well, I think, I mean, my understanding, Matt, you're pretty secular, is that correct?
I'm actually deeply religious.
I am.
Are you?
Seriously?
I'm deeply religious.
I'm not a Christian.
I'm not a Christian.
But I am.
Oh, okay.
What's your religion?
Well, I'm not going to tell you.
I'm not here to prosthetize.
Okay, just to be aware of.
Are you a Buddhist?
Will you tell me?
It's just interesting.
I'm not sure if you're afraid of your record just because I'm curious.
I'm part of a secret esoteric cult.
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Wait, come on.
Are you actually religious?
I am.
I got some funky beliefs, too.
I'm not a Christian.
Okay.
I don't think you have to be Christian to adhere to these ideologies and understand them just based on their statistics.
And I think most of the arguments, Matt, that you make when it comes to marriage are not rooted in, you don't make religious arguments.
No, in fact, this is one of my biggest criticisms of the religious right, like the based trad right, is that unless the people you're preaching to you are already part of the choir, they're not going to listen to you.
I think.
And you haven't really been preaching at all from a religious person.
No, I brought up the fact that I was Christian once.
Yeah, once, so I'm not even talking to you.
But I see this online where it's like, listen, you shouldn't behave this way because the Bible says so or the Talmud says so or the Quran says so.
It's like, well, if I don't give a shit about the Quran or the Bible, the Talmud, why do I care what your point is?
I think you've got to be able to push these ideas or push the trad philosophy, if that's what you want, from a rhetorically effective way.
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So he's just protecting his religion.
I think that's fine.
I mean, we've talked about enough statistics here that we understand the data, proves that monogamous relationships better society, lead to more happy and fulfilled partners, lead to the success of children.
But I also do think we have to ask ourselves, like, where does our value come from?
Where does our innate human dignity come from?
And what is our reason for being here?
What is our purpose?
Why?
Let's save that for the philosophical podcast.
Joel Bell, hey, thank you for the 50 negative.
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Hey, Joe Bell, thank you for the super chat there.
Much appreciated.
We definitely went around on the promiscuity thing enough as it is, but I do want to bring it back to a couple points here.
And we got away from this rather quick.
I will touch really quick on the non-monogamy.
You brought that up.
So do you think in your next relationships you will explore non-monogamy?
I'm not sure yet, but if I do want to explore non-monogamy, I don't think it'd be fair for people to look down on me for it.
Okay.
And so, and when you say non-monogamy, would it be like a polycule where it's like you're all like a three-way relationship, like you have two boyfriends?
I'm not sure what kind of non-monogamous relationship I'd be interested in pursuing.
I definitely have a lot of research to do about that because I know there's so many different kinds of non-monogamous relationships.
But yeah, currently I'm not sure yet.
Okay.
To be clear, I'm not looking down on you or anyone because of their relationship status or what they're doing with their lives.
I just know that based off the statistics, this is what the studies have shown.
And also, I believe that every person has dignity and deserves to be loved, cherished, respected, and have their dignity upheld.
And then, Rhea, just really quick, so when it comes to the non-monogamy thing, you in your pre-show messages to us said that you consider yourself a feminist slash leftist.
Do your views on that sort of stuff have any have they motivated you when it comes to your views on non-monogamy?
Maybe.
I mean, I want to talk about the history of monogamy.
I mean, do we know where monogamy came from and why it's now the default to our society?
Well, I think, okay, well.
I think it's default for a reason.
I think there's...
But do we know how it became to be the default?
It's based on procreation, I would imagine.
Because human...
For human civilization to advance, they like...
Into the mic, please.
I would imagine it's based on procreation and what makes human civilization advance the best.
You wanted to come in, go ahead.
Yeah, I do know that humans as a species, we have very altruistic young, so that means they require a lot of care, especially in their early stages.
And I think that's where the idea or I guess cultural means of monogamy has kind of surfaced from is that need for not only just another partner, but a village to really help raise a child to survive into adulthood.
Also, I think a lot of people like want to be just together.
It's like the feeling of love and like finding a special person that you can build a life with.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think I mentioned this earlier, but I think men have a pretty vested interest in monogamy insofar as the paternity certainty component.
So back in the day, if a woman had multiple sexual partners, that's kind of why, that's another reason, in addition to just monogamy, why virginity was so valued.
If a woman was promiscuous or had multiple sexual partners, there was no way in the past, you know, pretty much up until 40 years ago, for people to determine who is the father of a child.
And sometimes I think perhaps women don't realize how important that is because as a woman, if you have a kid, you know for certain that that's your child.
However, as a man, you know, absent the paternity test or you know that she's a virgin and she's only been with you, there's a component of paternity uncertainty, which is pretty much if you're as a guy, if you're raising a child that you think is yours but is not, that's pretty much the biggest L that you can take.
I also think it's a way that in society people like use to control and oppress women as well as that.
How?
How do wait, what?
Like valuing virginity so much.
How does that oppress women?
Well, because sometimes we'll be told that they're worth less if they have that or they'll be controlled and only have certain things that they can do because on the basis that they need to maintain their virginity.
Well, I mean, okay, so there's a religious component that I suppose started about 2,000 years ago.
I think chastity was valued up until very recently for both men and women for religious reasons, chiefly.
Although that's kind of been eroded away by modern modernity, I guess you could say.
I mean, I think if you want to look at like male-female sexual relations for 99.999% of human history, you need to get out of the mindset of like our modern dynamic.
Right now, we've got birth control, we've got abortions, we've got so many things that you can use to sort of interfere with that natural system.
But that's not how it was for most of human history.
Like as a man, if you are going to be raising a child, you want to make sure with 100% certainty it is your child.
You don't want a woman that is sleeping with multiple men because then you don't know what's going on, right?
And so this is one of the reasons why virginity is so valuable back then.
I understand that, and I think that that's true.
I'm just saying, I feel like that can be used on the guise of that to control women as well, like more so.
I think that, like Brian pointed out, I think women being abused or not having say over themselves because that is like the main thing that men are concerned about is her virginity.
And that can go above her like condition and her rights.
Well, Matt brought up Matt brought history.
Matt brought up a really good point about birth control.
And so, you know, ignoring the paternity uncertainty thing, this was something that would fall more so upon women.
You know, if you engaged in sex with somebody prior to there being birth control, like pretty good chance you might get pregnant and can't get an abortion.
I mean, abortions are fairly, well, I mean, there's history, but in any case, without birth control and without abortion, you know, there wasn't, what, 300 years ago, if you have sex with somebody, like, not really a way out if you get pregnant, or there's not really a way to prevent a pregnancy.
So I don't think it's about control.
It's just the biological reality that if you get pregnant, like, that's kind of a big deal.
And especially without modern health care, too.
Like the healthcare, if you got pregnant as a woman, like, bro, there's a chance you fucking die.
I think that you can imagine in a world, like, let me ask you this.
In a world where there's no birth control and you've got a very high risk of getting pregnant if you have sex with a man, are you going to be as promiscuous in that world as you are in this world?
Probably not, because there's a very high chance that man you just had sort of casual, promiscuous, flippant sex with, you might get pregnant.
You might be tied down for life with that man.
You've got to carry his child into the world and deal with that man for the rest of your life.
And so it's from a female's point of view also, 100 years ago, 200, 300, 1,000 years ago, as a woman, you probably don't want to be promiscuous either.
It's not a man keeping you down, it's you don't want to be promiscuous because if you have sex with that man, you might be tied down forever with that guy.
You bring his child into this world.
Your body gets pregnant.
You go through crazy changes, right?
It's in the woman's interest, back then at least, a different conversation now that we have birth control, I guess.
But for most human history, it's in the woman's interest to not be promiscuous either.
It's in the man's and the woman's.
Well, actually, it wasn't, according to research, it really wasn't until the 18th century during the movement of romanticism that people started really getting into monogamy.
Like when the romanticism movement started, that's when people started really giving into the idea of having their one true love and their one true soulmate.
But prior to the 18th century and the 17th century.
People were just fucking like crazy.
I don't think that's true.
Monogamy people weren't super into monogamy like we are now today.
It's different because it was what you're talking about is people talking about finding their true love or their soulmate.
Whereas before, it wasn't so much based on initial feelings or romanticizing a relationship and more about just that dying commitment that this is my spouse and I'm going to learn to love them and commit to love them for the rest of my life.
And there was like a lot less, I don't know, fairy tale glitter, rosy-colored glasses around the idea of love and sacrifice.
I feel like arranged marriages and stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
I feel like prior to the romanticism movement, people more so got married for logistics.
Because I feel like there was research that I saw that.
What's the purpose of marriage?
What do you say?
I feel like just financial reasons.
Like I feel like, yeah, to raise kids.
It's easier to raise kids when you're married, I feel like.
So, I mean, you mentioned logistic, logistic reasons.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, to raise kids.
Yeah.
But with the history of monogamy, prior to 1 AD, before Christianity started becoming, you know, more of a thing, monogamy really wasn't that common.
Where?
According to history.
Like, around the world.
I feel like monogamy, based on the research that I've personally seen, and you guys can, you know, of course, fact check it, based on the research that I've seen, like, monogamy wasn't really, you know, this thing that was going around the world until the 1850s when Western imperialism became a thing.
And white people are going around the world saying, oh, monogamy is the way to go because I don't understand.
This is just not true at all, though.
If you look at pre-biblical India, pro-monogamy, if you read the Quran or the Bhagavad Gita, they're talking about monogamy.
They're talking about the beauty and sanctity of a male-female relationship.
If you look at...
Actually, the Quran describes it beautifully.
And commentary on the Quran, it describes marriage as two souls becoming one essence, which is really beautiful.
I feel like the spread of disease is also a big driver for monogamy.
Yeah, I mean, that's a really good point you bring up there.
If you're monogamous.
But people who are non-monogamous and practice non-monogamy, when they have sex with other people, they know to use protection.
Whereas these people, I know of a lot of people who are in monogamous relationships who still end up getting STDs because when their partners cheat on them, they're not using protection.
Yeah, but you can also get cheated on in a non-monogamous relationship too.
Absolutely.
That would take a lot of trust.
And then also, I mean, certainly the odds of getting an STD is, I would say it's greater in non-monogamous relationships than monogamous relationships.
But you mentioned protection.
I mean, protection is not foolproof deterrent to getting an STD.
No, but it's a preventative measure.
It is a preventative measure, but like, take, for example, herpes.
You can, even if you're wearing a condom, like you can still get herpes.
Like, because you could have an outbreak on the base of the fucking.
Am I going to describe that?
It's not going to be outbreak, too, you know.
But I mean, let's also be honest, too.
Like, people really be out here fucking without condoms.
Like, let's be honest.
Come on.
Yeah.
But I don't.
Come on.
Look at the smile on their face.
They'd be fucking like a kid.
Come on, bro.
I feel like the problem isn't about monogamy or non-monogamy because I think everyone assumes a certain risk when they do engage in sexual activity.
I think it's the problem with having a conversation and being open with your partners or partner about those different things.
Yeah.
Well, I think also when it comes to raising a family, I don't know if that's an ideal family dynamic.
Huh?
Like, do you want to elaborate?
Well, like, if there's one mom and like three fathers down there, it's a little, that might be a little.
There's going to be like infighting, and then if there's offspring, or maybe I shouldn't say offspring, if there's children.
I think there's also more to a marriage than just raising children and having children, although one of the fruits of marriage is childbearing and having children.
I mean, isn't that the primary reason of marriage?
It's twofold.
It's solidifying a relationship.
Like, you can be married and not have children.
You love each other.
You're not growing with someone.
It's the love and commitment, actually.
Like if you look at the purpose of marriage, it's to love your spouse unconditionally.
Although that's, I mean, that people think nowadays that you can get married and that it's not forever.
Although, I mean, in the design of marriage and in the design of humanity, who you commit your life to in marriage should be forever.
And with the goal that you'll be married until death do you part.
So the purpose of marriage is to love one another sacrificially and wholly.
And then as a result of that love, children are the fruit of it.
We have two super chats here we have to react to.
We have Ryan the Eating Warrior.
Hey man, good to see you in the chat again.
Thank you for the $50 super chat, man.
Really appreciate it.
Monogamy was enacted to stabilize societies and to help prevent the spread of diseases.
Quick Google search writing the Ryan the Eating Warrior, good to see you back in the chat, man.
TJ King, good to see you back in the chat as well.
Ladies, if social media disappeared, namely Instagram overnight, do you think it would be a good or bad thing for the dating marketplace?
Sounds good.
We'll start with you.
Go ahead.
I feel like it would be a good thing.
One reason I think it would be a good thing is because I remember that you were saying the more someone scrolls on Instagram and the more they look at it, it had some sort of negative effect on how they view other people in their dating life.
And when people are dating, when people are dating, the more people they see, they tend to compare them.
And if you're just like always going through that comparison, I feel like people are never happy.
Even if you're not intending on like looking outside your relationship, I feel like that's where it can start a lot.
A lot of stuff happens in the DM, so I think dating would be better.
People can get to know each other.
People can get to know each other more one-on-one.
Like for me specifically, because I do have such like a prominent internet presence, I feel like it's almost, it's difficult for me to get to know people who see me off of there because I feel like it's almost, it's different.
So I personally have a hard time with people's perception of me just based on my Instagram and then me in real life.
So it's interesting.
But I mean, I guess it comes with the territory.
Can you come back to me on that one?
It would definitely be a good thing if social media disappeared.
We would live more presently and more purposefully, I believe.
Yeah.
I also don't really know where I stand on that.
I think personally I prefer to not use social media as much.
As for dating, I think social media has its pros and cons.
I think it's just changing how people date, but I don't know if I'm in the place to say if it would be a good thing.
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All humans have reproductive cells.
Women have X cells.
Men have sperm cells.
All humans have processes of getting rid of old reproductive cells.
In women, it's called menstruation.
In men, it's called ejaculation.
Ejaculation is male menstruation.
Does that mean you only get to do it once a month?
Is that what that?
For one week, once a month, you drink off as much as you want.
Outside of that, no.
I feel like that would ruin your sense of sexual gratification.
isn't that like a fact like the more you if you're beating off five times a day for seven days straight yeah it's probably not good for you Yeah.
That's probably not good for you.
No burning.
Self said, what happened to Andrea?
Who's Andrea?
The TGS came in, but it didn't read, so I just read it out loud.
I don't know who Andrea is.
It's Andrea.
Nick, do you want to pull up the super chat again?
Yeah.
And then we'll keep going on that.
Yeah.
It was your answer, Mark.
Honestly, I think social media just kind of ruins everything.
It just kind of gives you more accessibility to other people and like more temptation to other things.
Like, I mean, you could be in a community, really shit, post photos with your significant other, have them in your bio, and people are still going to DM you trying to be like, hey, like, can I shoot my shot at you?
Like, it's like, they don't understand boundaries with that.
So, yeah, I think definitely social media is very powerful.
Yeah, I think it would be a good thing.
I think that a lot of good points were made around it.
Yes, we would live more presently.
We would be able to experience our partner more presently.
And I think that we've lost the beauty of meeting people organically and talking to people face to face.
And of course, I already shared the statistic, but for the sake of conversation, there was a study that was done that men who follow a lot of girls on Instagram and are spending a lot of time on social media feel less attracted to their partner.
So if we're looking at that statistic, and I'm sure it's the same for women who are scrolling and they're seeing everybody's perfect air quotes, perfect relationship and comparing their relationship to that, or they think everyone's happy, that has a negative effect on their view of their own relationship.
So yes, I think social media going away would have a net positive on relationships.
Yeah, basically you said it perfectly.
I think the absence of social media and a relationship would create like very much more intimate, cherishable relationships.
We need to get rid of the internet.
Not just social media, the entire internet.
We need to go back to pre, listen, the industrial revolution.
We need to go back before.
No, pre-agricultural revolution.
We need to be nomadic tribes wandering to plams hunting buffalo and bison and squirrels.
Unironically.
Down.
I'm not even kidding.
That's what we need to do.
Abolish the internet.
We need to go back.
We're going back.
We are so back.
We need to rewind it.
I don't know.
How are you going to sell power gum, though, before?
I'm going to become like a brickmaker or something.
I'll be a mason or something.
I don't know what I'll be.
I don't know.
I'll be a wood sculptor.
Who knows?
There was gum before the internet.
You could just put it in the future.
We're going to get you a Walmart deal.
Listen, listen.
If taking society back, I don't know, a couple hundred years means I never play World of Warcraft ever again, do it.
There's that play that committee.
I'll make the deal.
And then this one came up while I was gone, Salc76.
Hey, thank you, man, for the donation.
What happened to Andrea?
I mean, Andrea, we used to do videos nine, eight, seven years ago.
She's doing her own thing.
There's really not much to say.
Just we stopped working together and yeah, not really story there.
Haven't actually, I think I invited her to come be a guest on the podcast, but she didn't respond.
I think she's kind of out of the content creation social media space.
Thank you, though, man.
Okay, so I do want to come back to our esteemed guest, Ria.
Rhea, so you're feminist.
Do you have armpit hair?
Are you rocking the armpit hair?
Do you want to show?
What question is that?
Do you want to show the armpit hair or what's up?
I'm okay on that.
Oh, you're okay.
I feel like I just shave it whenever I feel like it.
Okay.
Do you own the armpit hair?
Like, is it like, you know, it's like no?
Okay.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Okay.
You definitely don't.
Yeah.
I was like, okay, I'm good.
Wait, did Madison do the check?
Armpit check?
I literally don't grow armpit hair.
Haram.
Actually, haram!
Okay, cool.
Let's see.
And then I had, these are just notes that you guys provided for me before the show.
We have, let's see.
Lexi, are you religious at all?
I'm spiritual.
Spiritual.
I'm not religious.
Gotcha.
We have Gia.
You said you're very conservative, but I used to be a little more wild before becoming a conservative Christian.
Yeah, I was.
A lot of people say, oh, okay, that's some other stuff.
When you say you used to be a little more wild, what do you mean?
Yeah, I mean, I was never somebody that slept around or anything like that.
My mom was really strict, and in retrospect, I thank her for that because I think that kept me out of a lot of trouble.
But I definitely used to go out a lot more than I do now.
I mean, I dated a lot of different people, and I feel like I experienced what it was like to date people who didn't really respect me, didn't value me as an individual, didn't see my worth as a woman for who I am, not just, you know, for the fact that I'm a woman.
And so, yeah, so I have like that experience, and I mean, definitely had some fun moments, but I would say overall the life that I'm living now, seeking out relationships that are leading to marriage, which I have been since I was like 20, I would say has been more fulfilling and has made me overall a happier person.
Got it.
Okay.
So there was a wild past, wasn't there?
A little while.
A little while.
Not too wild.
Okay, gotcha.
Which I own, by the way, because I think that it doesn't benefit anybody to sit here and to, you know, act perfect or to try to claim that I'm perfect.
I think everybody makes mistakes and we are all imperfect people.
And so, but I can say in terms of my view of myself, how fulfilled I am in my life, the career that I've been able to find and to create, and the purpose that I have found.
And overall, just, again, happiness and fulfillment out of life is, I mean, a thousand times more than anything I could have imagined before.
We have a super chat here from Ryan the Eating Warrior, I believe, directed to you.
Stop the cap, miss marriage.
It's no cap.
I mean, honestly, actually, before I met the person that I'm in a relationship with now, I was single for, I mean, almost four years.
So I dated a lot of, I mean, Christian men who were marriage-minded.
But honestly, I was in the idea that I don't want to just marry someone just to get married, just to get married, which I think even secular women think about.
They think about the ring and they think about the dress, and they don't think about what comes along with being married.
I wanted to make sure that I found the right person who I could see not only being a good husband, but being a good father and being a good partner, somebody that was going to push me to be everything that I was created to be.
And so I wasn't like in a rush to get married at all.
And I found the right person and we're dating, but it looks like it's leading towards marriage.
Wait, so you said you were single for four years.
Yeah.
And okay, you're 26.
You've been in, you're in a two-year relationship currently?
That was your longest relationship, excuse me.
Like two and a half years, yeah.
So when you said that like four-year single period, are you like you were celibate?
Celibate, single.
Yep.
For four years?
For four years, yeah.
Damn, son.
Okay.
I was so happy.
I am so happy.
Yeah.
People in the chat were saying born-again virgin.
Is that?
That sounds like something from like ultra trad purity culture.
I don't know what that means.
I'm I don't know.
Sounds like something weird from the internet.
Are you waiting until marriage?
Or I don't want to answer that question.
I think we all should wait until marriage.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Wait.
So, I mean, didn't you just answer the question?
Yeah, I guess I did.
Yeah, I think, but I don't want to shame anybody that hasn't.
Yeah, we're all waiting along with your position.
I think we should wait until marriage.
Did you wait till marriage?
I made mistakes in the past.
Okay, so you previously had some indiscretions.
I prefer not to go into detail.
Okay, fair enough.
But now, at this point, you are waiting until marriage.
I think we should wait until marriage, yeah.
Okay, gotcha.
And then we have TJ King here.
To those who said yes, would you delete your Instagram?
Who said yes, by the way?
I was up there for a bit to show myself.
I went yes.
Everybody said yes.
Would you delete your Instagram?
I would delete mine.
If social media didn't exist, then I wouldn't even have an Instagram at all.
I would.
I'd delete myself.
Wait, what?
Hold on.
Repeat your statement.
What?
Like, the question we said yes to is: do you think dating would be better if social media didn't exist?
So if it didn't exist, we wouldn't have Instagram at all.
But no, he's not going to be able to do it.
I just didn't delete my Instagram willy-nilly today.
Yeah, like, would you just delete it?
Oh, no.
Oh, okay.
So.
I think he's saying, like, for a man, though, like, if your significant other wanted you to delete your social media, would you?
Okay, we have Mr. Cappadocia here.
Hey, good to see you in the chat, man.
Thank you.
Boys as young as 12 who have been modestoed by women who got pregnant as a result.
Oh, okay.
Have been required to pay those women child support.
They know how unfair society is to the fellas, and not a single woman on this panel cares.
They prefer it.
Well, this is out of left field.
Okay, well, there is certainly, like, there have been court cases where a woman who was older was with a boy.
I'm going to just say that I don't prefer a situation like that.
I don't know what he's trying to say, but.
He's saying, well, basically what he's.
I'm just saying, don't say I prefer that.
I don't prefer that.
Did he?
I'm not sure if he.
Okay, well, in any case, there have been court cases where they will rule that the boy who was, let's say, statutory, he's on the hook for child support if the woman who took advantage of him got pregnant, which is like, it's kind of messed up, you know.
And this is a case where the boy is underage.
Yeah, there's been a couple.
There's definitely been a lot of cases like this where a young boy was, you know.
Yeah, I mean, I'll say this.
This is something that I'm going to come off as a super simp here.
I think that when a female adult does that to a young boy, 12, 13, 14, 15, I think it should societally be just as admonished and punished equally as heavy as when it's inverse, where it's an adult man preying on a young girl.
I think the standard has to be the same.
And it's not, and it's fucked up, but it should be.
100% agree.
100% agree.
Okay, we have the real Mr. Meatball here.
Oh, whoops.
Sorry, I think I triggered the wrong one.
Oh.
Salk says, why do you think sex is fine after marriage?
I think he has to be trolling.
Why do you think sex is fine after marriage?
I think it's more a religious thing.
Even if you get married, I just never have.
I'm saving myself full force.
Oh my god, is that a bird?
That is a really rigid bug.
Was that a bug or a mosquito?
Yeah, that was a mosquito.
Yeah.
No, there's no way that was a mosquito.
That was that big.
No, look at it.
It's on the outside.
Did you guys see it?
It just wants to be a female.
Is that a cicada?
Is that a cicada?
Are there cicadas here?
It's moth one.
It's like two on my side.
I can literally see it.
Nick, can you turn off the hallway lights?
I thought it was a burial.
Hallway lights.
I said they didn't fly.
Holy shit.
That was like a.
What are those giant bugs that invade like some more.
No, Turn it off.
Turn it off.
Hello?
Nick?
Okay.
What are those?
Okay, whatever.
Who cares about the bug?
Okay.
So Salk was joking, saying, why do you think sex is fine after marriage?
Yeah, I guess even if you do get married, just never have sex ever.
Just die a virgin, I guess.
That's Salk's position.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
We have the real Mr. Meatball here.
Hey, thank you, man.
What's the most attractive job a person can have?
That's a good question.
We should also say, what's the most unattractive job to?
Let's start with you.
Go ahead.
What's the most attractive job a person can have and most unattractive?
An attractive job to me is like someone who follows their passion.
Like I like people who like create stuff.
Like whatever their art may be.
Like I like people who make music or like film or some sort of like creative expression.
A creative, I guess, if you want one word for it, that would be my picture.
Most unattractive job.
Most unattractive job.
Hmm.
Can you scoot the microphone?
I can just, I can just.
Can somebody brush that bug off the table?
Yes.
I can think of so many.
I would say like an internet troll, but they don't get paid.
I think some of them do.
Maybe.
They do it for free.
Yeah.
I would say like a job that harms.
Oh, like an IRS agent, maybe?
OnlyFans Girl, by the way.
Excuse me?
You're answering now?
Do you pay your taxes?
Yes, I do.
Do you?
How do you pay them?
I file them with my accountant, and then I sometimes send a wire transfer.
Oh, okay.
How do you pay your taxes?
I don't.
I don't.
I never pay them.
You should probably say that off the right.
Yeah, no, I'm totally serious.
Yeah, some people don't.
No, I don't.
Why do I look like I don't pay my taxes?
Well, I remember there was that big movement.
what was this like probably four or five years ago it was called the Abolish the IRS.
No it was called the Thought Audit.
And it was a bunch of trolls online going around reporting sex workers trying to get them to go to jail for not paying their taxes.
Like a bunch of 4channers.
Well, when you, especially when I was a dancer, it's very difficult to file your taxes because it's so all over the place.
Single bills.
You know, the single bills.
Yeah, that's why it's so hard.
It's bills when you're being stripping.
Yes.
Well, you just don't claim those.
You just don't pay taxes on those.
That's cash.
Cash.
Well, you guys got it all figured out.
If you ever take home a bunch of single dollar bills, you already know what you're going to do.
So I love it.
Most unattractive, or excuse me, most attractive job a person can have.
I think for me, the most attractive job would have to do with education, maybe like a teacher, a professor.
I just I'm a big fan of knowledge.
And for unattractive, I'm not really sure.
I don't think I can think of one right now.
Okay.
What about you?
The most attractive job to me is something that serves other people.
So like doctors or like therapists.
Yeah, something like self, you know, sacrificing.
And then on the opposite end, unattractive would be something that takes from others and just serves yourself.
Like those Indian guys, you know, those Indian call like scam guys who like get your grandma to like give her scam credit card.
Yeah.
They've got trolls and scammers.
Yeah, I think the most attractive job someone can have is one that is like provides some stability, not just because I know like for some jobs scheduling can be all over the place.
So I'm not talking about like that type of stability, but it's something that can support someone's life and I guess just Allow them to live a comfortable life.
And then unattractive job is I'd have to say the same something where you're taking from others, hurting others or yeah, stuff like that.
I just think something that that gives you happiness, like a lot of people like follow their dreams.
Like some type of job that gives you a sense, like something you enjoy, like you don't want to spend 40 hours a week doing something you hate, sitting behind a computer and just crying.
You know something that brings you joy and you can enjoy and actually prosper with.
But like unattractive, I'd say you hate people that just don't work, sit on their butt scam, scam anything.
Unemployed, unemployed there you have it, just sit on their couch, meet off people.
Most unattractive job is no job real, that's real.
I think the most attractive thing that someone can do I agree with Grace it's when you're passionate about something.
But I also think if you can figure out how to create a career or work in a line with your passion for the betterment of society and humanity.
So I think that any profession or job in that category is very attractive.
It's it's encouraging and attractive to see people sacrificing their comfort for the betterment of other people or to defend the dignity of other people, whether that's in the United States or abroad.
And I have to agree that the most unattractive job is no job.
As long as you're doing something, please do something.
Every person, not just men.
I like like a CEO, a manager, any man that can just walk around in like a spiffy suit.
You like a man in charge?
Yeah, I like man in charge.
You know he worked for her spot up there, so you know he's hardworking.
Yeah, and most unattractive, probably like a sex worker, no offense, but yeah, something like that.
Are there a lot?
There's not a lot of men who do sex work, though like porn.
There is a lot of men who do porn.
Well, not as met as many as women.
Yeah, but I didn't argue that fair enough.
What about?
Women are typically less successful?
Yeah, I think probably the most uh, the most um, respected job or the most desirable job for a woman, in my opinion, is probably stay-at home mother.
She's raising kids.
She's pumping kids out, raising kids um, and then least respected or least desired for me is like sex worker or drug dealer, something like that.
Oh yeah, drug dealers, kind of turns, I mean, if you like it and it brings you joy, drug dealing, drug dealing I've got my preferences.
Like so many people die at the hands of drug dealers, so you need to hold drugger jail.
Is there something you want to tell us?
I'm not a drug dealer.
Sold drugs, I can assure you.
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Would any of you date a blue-collar worker?
We'll do a show of hands on this one show of hands.
Would you date a blue collar worker?
Yes, like right now.
Yes, in the future.
No no, my boyfriend's gonna be well shooting Matt, what's a blue-collar worker?
Someone that is not working behind a computer, someone that is working with their hands.
They're a tradesman, they're a plumber, they're an electrician, they're getting dirty, they're getting physical.
They're not cooked up behind in an office or something.
Yep.
By the way, we need more of those people.
More young men to get into the trades.
The base blue-collar workers are actually what holds society together.
And there's like this lack of societal respect or value for the blue-collar tradies.
We need more of them.
Totally.
They're the foundation.
They are the foundation.
And oftentimes they're going to pay more for you than your bullshit liberal arts college degree, and you're not going to have student loan debt coming out anymore.
Yeah, don't be a podcast host.
No, don't.
Go do something valuable.
Yo, Benji, the offender.
Thank you, man, for the TTS, man.
I really appreciate it.
Did you answer?
Oh, I think you answered the previous question.
I'll just go to most attractive.
Well, I'll start with most unattractive job sex worker.
No offense to anybody here.
And most attractive.
I like women in STEM.
So, like, if they're like something in STEM is good.
Like, I like smart women, so STEM.
STEM's pretty good.
There you go.
Any specific type of STEM?
I know some sex workers that are also in STEM.
One does not undo the other, unfortunately.
It's okay.
I'm not sure that they would be interested in you.
Hey, I'm not sure.
If sex workers don't want to date, I'm not hurting too bad.
A woman in SEM.
Sex and what?
I know some sex workers who do sex work and are women in STEM.
Woe is me.
How will I ever recover from all the sex workers that don't want to date me?
I will make slight attendance.
Oh, I've got a fucking laundry list of red flag professions.
So hairstylist, anyone who's an equestrian.
No offense, Priya, who was on the show.
It's just brother.
You're like women who are really into horses, like horse girls.
The priority as far as where you're going to fall on her priority list, I said this last show.
It's the horse or the horse is father's money, and then you.
Did you have a bad experience with an equestrian?
No, actually, I've somehow, man, they've always been a little, a little, Priya was very, very nice.
This wasn't.
This isn't directed to Priya.
She was on our show last week.
She has some horses, I guess.
I've not had any long-term relationships with any horse girls.
I might have been on a date with a horse girl maybe once or twice.
I don't know.
Just seem a little like, it's hard to articulate, but I don't know.
There's something a little off, you know?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You date women, right?
Mm-hmm.
You ever seen a horse girl?
You know, it's a little something.
A little stuffy, you know?
They kind of scare me.
It's horse girls.
It's Harry Potter girls, Disney girls.
With the princess complex.
Okay, hairstylist.
What don't you like about them?
Because I've never thought about that one before.
It's just like a known thing.
Like, hairstylists are kind of crazy.
They're crazy, okay.
A little crazy, you know?
They listen to other people complain all day.
That's cool.
What type of guy do you think a young woman shouldn't date?
Like, what are the male red flags?
In terms of profession?
Yeah.
Because I would say openly content creator.
Should not date a streamer or a YouTuber or something like that.
Women avoid those.
Women should avoid those, or men should avoid those.
Women should avoid content creators, male.
Should men avoid female content creators?
yeah probably yeah probably on the window donated one hundred dollars brian why are girls who work in hr a red flag i mean hr is like the woke department for most like corporations and they need to like they're the ones that are going to be pushing like all the die stuff and like they're the ones that are going to be i'm trying to think of an example like
Like, they're the ones that are typically policing what you can and can't do, and that's going to like seep into a relationship.
So they tend to be like extremely uptight, very, very like rule-driven.
I don't know.
People in HR, I mean, there's a fucking meme about it in the office, but like they're like the most intolerable fucking people you can imagine.
HR people police the mega corp, they police the corporate environment.
So, yeah, it's just no bueno.
Yeah, these are sort of the professional Karens, the absolute sticklers.
Yeah, it's the sticklers.
Yeah, HR.
I mean, the HR, it's like they're gonna, they're typically gonna be super woke, not always, but and I'm not even like, I'm not like overtly, I'm not super political.
I consider myself kind of moderate, but like you're probably gonna lean pretty woke if you're in HR.
And then flight attendants, travel nurses are pretty bad, but yeah.
Hey, a lot of fucking, a lot of people don't like podcasts hosts.
The reason I say that, I think most people in the content creation business, I think, necessarily have to be kind of self-centered and narcissistic.
No.
Yeah.
Don't say that.
And so I think that generally those people are probably not making the best spouses.
So, but you're a content creator, so are you snitching on yourself?
Ethan donated $99.
Primarine, now a federal security guard, working on getting into cybersecurity or majoring in criminology and minoring in psychology.
Down to do border patrol.
VA benefits for Jinny a home loan and eight free years of college.
Yay.
Thank you very much.
That's amazing.
Thank you for your service.
Yeah.
I think he wants to know, given what he's just written, would the ladies at this table date Ethan?
I mean, I like a man in the service.
Ethan, that's a nice name.
I don't see a reason why not to.
I think we would all want to date you all at once.
All right.
Their DMs are in the description.
Okay.
I think.
Are we caught up?
No, we have.
Did we do this?
Ryan, the Eating Warrior, so weird how after girls go through their wild phase, they cozy up to God and the idea of marriage.
Haram!
Anybody?
I think this might be directed at you.
No, it is directed at me.
I'd love to respond.
I feel like I've been talking a lot.
Yeah, I think that what you realize whenever you buy into the lie that these things will make you happy, like dating a lot, drinking a lot, partying a lot, shopping a lot, all of these things that are coming from the outside.
When you buy into the lie that those things will make you happy, you quickly realize that the more you try to do them, the emptier that you feel.
And thankfully, I realized that pretty quickly.
By the time I was 20, I already realized that I was not having fun, that I didn't feel fulfilled.
And honestly, I looked in the mirror one day and I was like, I don't think I like myself.
I know I don't like myself and I know that there must be more for my life.
So I said a prayer.
I said, God, I know that you say that anyone who is in you is a new creation and I want that new creation life.
And I gave my life over to the Lord and I can promise you with every fiber in my being that I never imagined how happy, how fulfilled, and just the purpose that I have out of life once I made that decision.
And honestly, my relationships are better.
I feel like I'm a better person overall.
I make better decisions.
And all my decisions stem from my belief in God and my morals that are based in biblical principles.
I can piggyback on that for a minute.
I think if you look back at human history, there has never been an easier time to just become, I guess I'll use the phrase, degenerate loser.
Like there are so many addicting poisons that are alluring.
They're tempting you to taste them in our society.
And this is drugs, alcohol, marijuana, video game addiction, pornographic stuff.
Who knows?
There are so many things that are tempting you.
This is food.
Obesity is a big one for a lot of people.
There are so many things that are just placed in front of you.
They're so easy to access and they're beautiful.
They're tantalizing.
And because those things are so prevalent and poisonous and addictive and tantalizing, it's sort of hard to blame people for taking that bait.
And it's all bait.
It's been intentionally placed in front of you.
It's hard to blame people for taking that bait as long as they, at some point in the future, have a moment of introspection and realize, wow, what I'm doing here is wrong.
I need to stop engaging with these things.
And then they caught, they have a thought process.
They say, okay, I need to stop doing this.
This is bad for me.
It's bad for my loved ones.
Whatever it is.
Maybe it's even bad for society.
I need to become better than this and start saying no to these hedonistic decadences or impulses.
I need to say no to these things and become a better person.
So as long, this is my take, like, and this even translates into the body count thing to a certain degree.
As long as someone at some point has a moment of introspection and says, I need to stop being this way, then it's like, okay, we can have a conversation about this, right?
I really do believe in that reformation process.
And I'm not even Christian, but I think you can get there just looking at kind of how perverse our society is, how many terrible things there are.
Okay, let's, we need to shout out everyone on Twitch.
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Madison's going to be streaming via the whatever account on Twitch, doing her own little show there.
So that's in the works.
We're going to get that going soon.
I wanted to, and this came up like much earlier on in the podcast, and we got interrupted by, I believe, a TTS.
So my question was, we were talking about height.
And I asked, is it wrong to lie as a guy?
Maybe you've seen it for yourselves.
Is it wrong to lie about your height on a dating app or otherwise?
And if I maybe show of hands.
I think most of you said, yeah, it's wrong.
Men should not lie about their height.
I mean, if you like round up a little, I feel like it's fine.
More than like one or two inches, I think is.
Okay, so you're like, so what you're saying is.
I think it's wrong to lie in general, but a little, like a couple inches isn't going to hurt anybody.
Okay.
So I have a question kind of related to that.
So if it's wrong for men to lie about their height, do you also think that it's wrong for, say, women to lie about their just general physical appearance?
Yes.
That's where this is going.
Well, for example, oftentimes, well, for example, when it comes to men misrepresenting their height on a dating app, you'll often see, and I'm not on any dating apps right now, although I used to be, I would say like more than 50% of the profiles the women would use, sometimes one, sometimes two, sometimes all their photos would be heavily filtered.
So they'd use like one of those face filter, face tune, whatever it may be, which is lying about your physical appearance.
So should we ban physical, or excuse me, should we ban face filters on dating apps?
And not only that, but then you also have Photoshop.
They might suck in their waist a little bit, not literally suck in their waist, but they might use Photoshop to change their waist.
And then you also had, for example, perhaps excessive use of makeup.
And I'm trying to think if there's any other things that are done.
Those are the main ones, I reckon.
I think society has created a culture where women are held to this very high standard of beauty of body type.
Erroneous!
Erroneous.
Disagree.
Okay.
Compared to men, but go ahead.
I didn't say compared to men.
And over-sexualized standard.
And so I think, actually, okay, so full disclosure, I get Botox.
I'm not embarrassed to admit that.
It's the only thing that I've done, but I'm all for facials and Botox, and I'm a girl's girl in every aspect when it comes to that.
But it's interesting because I was talking to the nurse who does my injections, and she was telling me that a woman came in for a consultation for a nose job, and she said, I like the way my nose looks in person.
I don't like the way it looks online.
So can we get a nose job to make my nose look better in pictures?
So we actually have this crisis of women wanting to look and people in general.
I don't think it's just women.
I think it's men too, caring so much about our online presence and comparing ourselves to this unrealistic standard of beauty where we're so unhappy with the way that we look.
And it's not just in person, it's online.
People care more about now how they're being presented online than in real life.
So I think that that's a crisis.
And I think that it's a tragedy that women and young girls, like, because before it was like even like, maybe you're a little bit older when you started reading the magazines, but now it's like our young girls, like I have little sisters, and it breaks my heart when they are comparing themselves to how they look online.
And it's breeded in us from the time that we're very young.
I agree with you.
I feel like filters can be harmful to the way people are perceiving you if you're misrepresenting yourself.
And I feel like they can also be harmful to the people using them because if you're always seeing yourself a little bit better than you naturally look, it makes you like try and look like something that you in real life will never achieve.
So I feel like it distorts your image of yourself and other people's image of you.
But also like wearing makeup and stuff, like people want to express themselves in the ways that they do.
I don't think people are always wearing makeup in an attempt to like deceive someone.
Yeah, I agree with that.
It's almost like a uniform.
Like a guy, when you get dressed up, you're going to like look put together.
I feel like makeup, not that it's the standard, but I feel like makeup is a part of looking put together as well.
Yeah, and I feel like sometimes it's exaggerated how much like someone can actually change from makeup.
Like it takes a lot more than most people go through.
Makeup pretty substantially changes or can change a woman's physical appearance.
And it's not how you actually look.
But to bring it back to my point of view.
What's your argument, though?
If it's wrong for men to misrepresent or lie about their height on a dating app, then should it also be the case that women ought not to wear makeup in their photos that they present on dating apps or more egregiously using filters and photoshopping your body?
Why do you think that men feel like they need to lie about their height?
Why do I think men because height is an attraction trigger for women?
You hear a lot of women say, I want to date a guy who's tall.
Yeah.
So they recognize that it's an attraction trigger.
So it's unrealistic standards.
It's this crisis of unrealistic standards and beauty in our society that comes not only from the mainstream media, but social media and what's being presented as desirable and attractive.
Okay.
Well, I mean, I think there's a biological reason why women are, generally speaking, more attracted to tall men, and that comes down to the ability to protect.
Men who are tall, who are physically large.
Hold on.
Men who are tall are more capable of protecting a woman.
And being capable of protection is an attraction trigger in women.
There's a biological reason why men are attracted to the features that women enhance with makeup, too.
Okay.
I think what makeup does for women is generally make them look younger, right?
Which is appealing to me.
I actually disagree with that.
I think a lot of people, when they wear makeup, makes them look older, especially if you have a lot of makeup on.
Yeah, totally.
Do any of you guys over here have an input?
On makeup-wise?
I don't know.
Well, just on the argument.
Personally, I don't like the filters or editing because you're just giving a false reality to who's swiping right or looking at you.
Because when they meet you in person, they're going to be like, oh, this is not the person I was wanting to meet.
This isn't going to go any farther.
You look nothing like what I thought you did.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah.
I agree.
I agree.
For me, I say with the makeup thing, I started using makeup when I was 10.
And I think when I was that age, the purpose was to look older because I felt like that was kind of the pressure I was subjected to.
I wanted to look older and mature.
But now that I'm older, I think it's more because, like I said, it makes me feel put together and it makes me feel good going about my day.
But then also for the filters, I agree with Armani that it's just sad that we have to get to that point of line.
And again, I think social media is so fabricated in so many ways.
And there's just that risk that you have to take into account, oh, this person could be looking different in person because you are going to look different in person.
No one's going to look the same in a photo, I think.
This would be a curious question for the chat.
I'm not on dating apps right now.
I think you said that you're not either.
Would the men in the chat value a woman uploading at a minimum one photo where they've got no makeup?
It's like right out of the shower.
They said, hey, this is what it looked like.
No makeup.
Here's one photo.
And then there's maybe nine other photos that have makeup on where they're done up.
But there's one where it's like, hey, this is me perfectly natural.
Would men appreciate that?
I'm sure they wouldn't.
Because I would imagine, I bet that would go a long way with men on dating apps.
They're often not in makeup all the time.
Like, no filters.
Yeah, that's fine.
But I'm sure there, I mean, I've, from my experience on dating apps, haven't been on them in a minute, but I don't know what.
I don't know when it was, probably five, six months ago.
You know, there's it's pretty actually rare to like see a dating profile where it's either no filter or no makeup.
At least one photo.
Super rare.
Super rare.
So I think makeup, you are effectively lying about your physical appearance in the same way that men lie about, might lie about their height.
I just had a memory of that.
You guys can disagree with me, by the way.
Like, hello?
Okay, good.
Like, if you why do you disagree with me?
I don't think it's a lie, though.
I don't know.
But it is a, it is, you, that's not.
It's like dyeing your hair.
It's like you're like mixing your hair up.
Yeah, I mean, you could then say that's like haircuts and beards or skincare and outfits.
No, not really.
It's like you're getting a haircut, kind of.
I mean, one hairstyle over the other may be deemed more physically attractive than the other, certainly.
However, makeup is this artificial thing that you're putting on your face that can really make, you know, depending on the amount of makeup you're putting on, depending on what type of makeup you're putting on, can pretty substantially change how you look.
And I think we can all agree, like, we look, hair is one thing, but we really do look at face as like a very primary thing that we are attracted to.
Yeah.
And I will say, though, that is the purpose of makeup.
And, you know, given that makeup isn't only exclusive to women, men don't really straight men, I would say, even, I mean, most men do not wear makeup.
I always thought the purpose of makeup was to accentuate your features, not like completely change your appearance.
Yeah, like I'm not born with blue eyelids.
Yeah, like it's so accentuated.
Like I feel like there are some cases, like we've all seen videos online where it looks like a completely different person, but I feel like you're like most women are not doing that kind of makeup.
Yeah, I feel like what you're saying, like it's not actually as common as you think.
Like you can't do that much with makeup.
I actually, you know what?
Hold on.
I have.
I mean, I'm sure you can bring up like an example, but your everyday girl, like.
There's people that do know how to transform their face with makeup.
I mean, I know that I've seen them on TikTok, like, or the people that make themselves look like Michael Jackson.
You know, like, they do all of that with makeup.
But the reality is, most women are not doing that.
Also, if a person, like, that's gonna look crazy if you get close to the person, like, that doesn't look good either.
It's gonna look like dusty and cakey.
And, like, it's not gonna, it doesn't have like the magical like powers to make your face look like a completely different natural face of clothes.
Maybe in a camera or an angle or certain lighting.
But in the real life, you're like, oh, this is just a lady with a bunch of paint on her face.
Here, this is what I have.
I actually have, so on my Facebook, Facebook has something called Facebook Dating, and it's like built in.
It's automatically tied into your, if you have the Facebook app.
So I'm just going to pull it up.
I don't use it, but I'm just going to, I'm hoping you guys can take my word for it.
I'm just going to look at the first image that these women show.
I'll just swipe.
I'll swipe yes or no on every single person.
And I'll tell you if they have a filter, if they have makeup.
Well, I'm going to assume almost all of them have makeup.
So I'll tell you if they have a filter, which I think is more egregious than wearing makeup.
So yes, she has a filter.
Filter.
Filter.
Filter uh filter filters.
I'm not gonna show it to the I'm not gonna show how am I gonna just take it.
Just assume I'm acting in good faith and I'll say yes or no if there's.
There's a filter, not no filter filter filter, possibly filter.
Would you post a photo without your beard?
What's that?
Would you post a photo on your social data?
My beard, my beard, is natural.
What are you hiding under your beard?
What's under your beard?
Body wait, but bald.
Why would I post a photo?
I have a head of face.
When we like a haircut or facial hair is similar to like makeup, it's not.
It kind of is, because if we have a kid with you, we need to know what your face looks like without the beard.
Also, if you have a child, that's gonna tell our children guys.
So if you want that, if you want that for for 32 years of my life I did not have a beard you can go on my Instagram.
There's plenty of photos with of me without a beard, like clean shave.
You can find photos of me regardless of any of those.
Sorry, there's so many guys on dating episodes that are just like editing pictures of like their bodies.
If they like go to the gym.
They're posting shirtless constantly.
I think everybody like little stuff to try and like present themselves the best because they feel like it's really competitive, and they probably have a lot of insecurities about okay but, in any case, beard is something that's natural makeup.
Makeup does not uh, magically sprout from your guys's faces.
That's something you don't have.
So I think that we don't have something covering half our face.
Do you know what I mean?
Well for, and one thing I would also point out is, when it comes to assessing physical attractiveness and this is getting like very analytical I would actually argue that the top 50 of one's face is like the, the thing that's more likely going to be like shifting the someone's attractiveness versus the bottom.
I've like seen something like a lot of attractiveness has to.
Yeah, it's from here up.
So yes I, I get where you guys are going.
Oh, you could hide a weak chin or a weak jawline if you have a beard but like, I think there's there's makeup covers up way more than that.
What about hiding a bald head with a hat?
Is there a red flag?
Is it a red flag for you ladies, if you're on a dating app and every photo of the man is wearing a?
That's actually, that's that red flag.
I feel like though, if you get close enough to a person, eventually all these things are gonna come to light.
That's what I was gonna say actually.
Eventually, the the filters and the makeup and the hats and the beards are gonna come off and what you're left with is who you actually are and what makes up your composition as a human being and your character.
And if you don't have that right, it doesn't matter how many inches you lie on, how tall you are or how much filter or makeup you put on.
It's who you are and if you could just focus on being the best person and having the best character that you possibly can, then that's gonna win you the date in the relationship someone lies about a couple inches, like i'm not gonna say like you're calling it like heinous And like egregious and stuff, like it's like not that serious to me.
If people want to feel a little bit better for a second of their life, you know, well, eventually you're going to get to know them and see.
No matter what, like that's going to come to come to light.
Like, you're going to notice one day, baby, you're going to go on a roller coaster and he can't go on.
You know, like, you're going to wash your face.
Okay, so, look, there's a whole bunch of things here.
So, you said that, well, ultimately, it comes down to who you are as a person.
I mean, we can all live in magical Disney fairy tale lands, but at the end of the day, for both men and women, we need to be with someone who we're physically.
Most people need to be with someone they're physically attracted to.
If it was the case that both men and women cared so deeply about what people really are like and who they are as a person, I never said that.
Women would not hold on to my parents listening and hold on.
Let me finish.
Women would not wear makeup.
Men would not give a fuck about their height.
They wouldn't hide their bald spots.
Both men and women care about physical attractions.
Actually, I said earlier, and I don't remember what the topic was, but I said that one of the important aspects is physical attraction.
So I'm not arguing that at all.
But physical attraction is not enough.
It's not going to make you a good partner or a spouse.
That's where it starts.
Sure, initial attraction.
Yeah.
I mean, but it's also like chemical, too.
Like, initial attraction, it can start there, absolutely.
And most of the time, for most people, it does.
But I'm saying that it's not enough.
It's not enough.
What people find attractive is different, too.
Like, you're saying like one standard of attractive.
Like, not everyone views things the same way.
Okay, but just to address that.
I mean, just to address that really quick, if you line up 100 people, 100 men, 100 women, and they're all kind of like rating the people, there might be some variation.
But like, I'd say there people could come to a consensus of, okay, here's like the 10 most attractive people.
Here's the most 10% of attractive people.
I don't know how things are in Kazakhstan.
I don't know.
But Matt raised a very good point.
And I think this is actually a better comparison than what I made: is, well, what about men who are wearing a hat that are hiding their bald spot?
I actually think that's a much better comparison to women wearing makeup.
It is, yeah.
Okay.
That's a better attraction.
Good job, Matt.
You have men.
I'll take off the hat if you take off the makeup, okay?
This hat is not covered off.
Take off the makeup.
Wash all my makeup off right now.
I have absolutely no problem with that.
Yeah, I'm very comfortable with that.
Okay, show of hands, show of hands.
Who here would be, you know, you match with a guy and he's always wearing a hat and it didn't occur to you that maybe he's like hiding that he's bald or balding or whatever.
How many of you would kind of feel like a little bit like he hid something from you or like maybe you're less physically attractive when you find out that he's balding?
Well, how am I going to feel like you're not going to be able to just wait?
That's not like the first guy.
Oh my God, he's wearing a hat.
He's bald.
Mike Keller would be like, oh, this guy's much older than this.
But let's not kid.
Women are attracted to men who have a full head of hair.
If you lose your hair young, it means you have more testosterone.
Okay.
So true.
That is so true.
But also maybe it means like then you make up for in other masculine ways.
But most of you, okay, when he gave this example, most of you recoiled to some degree and were like, oh, like, yeah, that's kind of messed up if a guy wears a hat to hide a bald spot.
That's how we feel about women who wear makeup.
Well, you want to abolish makeup?
Is that what you're saying?
You want to abolish makeup and abolish hats and abolish untruthful descriptions on dating profile.
It's misrepresentation.
You should just be like naked and raw in the street.
You know, nonsense.
It's unrealistic.
I mean, give me a break.
And regardless if he wears a hat or not, like women are liars.
And the other thing is, we are more than our physical appearances.
This is true for men and women.
We are more than just the way that we look.
And I would argue that it's, I mean, not even, I would argue, I believe that who we are as a person actually makes us more attractive or less attractive.
And you can't, you know, put makeup on that.
That is totally true.
But I think I'm not going to tiptoe around this.
Like, for me, you need to look a certain way.
Physically, you need to meet my criteria that I'm looking for.
And then it's like, okay, then do you have a nice personality?
That's fine.
Physical attraction is important.
I've never said that it wasn't.
I'm just saying that it's not enough because men and women are more than the way that they look.
Just the prettier you are or the more handsome, the taller you are, the more hair that you have is not going to translate into you being a better partner.
And I think people can become less or more attractive over time based on like characteristics they demonstrate that aren't just physical.
They proved that actually in a study.
I can't remember which one.
You could probably Google it, but they prove that people become more attracted to their partner over time, not less attractive.
Or even just like being around someone that you might not like find attractive initially and then like the more that you're around them, you start to see things about them that become attractive.
Definitely that.
Because sometimes you meet someone, you're like, oh, they look so nice.
I feel like that might even be more common with how women view attractiveness in relationships.
I feel like they grow.
Yeah.
You mentioned earlier something about beauty standards.
And I think you spoke more so from the female side of that.
I might, maybe this is a hot take for some of you.
I actually think, so let's say, can we all agree that there are male beauty standards and female beauty standards?
Perhaps I should say handsome.
I don't know if beauty is the right word.
And then you can't cash.
For the rest of the show, can we just have her do her comedy?
Yeah.
Don't worry.
I kind of will be.
Okay.
So there's male beauty standards, there's female beauty standards.
I actually think it's harder for a man to reach the ideal than it is for a woman.
Ideal men.
It's harder for men to reach this supposed beauty standard than it is for women to reach the supposed beauty standard.
What standards are you specifically referring to for men?
What standards?
Well, okay, let's stray a little bit away from face and let's go to body.
I would argue that if you let's let's take an 18-year-old woman and an 18-year-old man.
It's going to be very easy.
And I would say that so long as she's not like either side isn't overweight, the untrained female body is more likely to be deemed attractive than the untrained male body.
So the average female body is more likely to be deemed as attractive than the average male body.
I get what you're saying.
Like girls are like, they wouldn't like things that guys can't really change.
Well, okay, for example, like I would say that the female beauty standard is much more obtainable for women than the ideal male beauty standard is for men.
You're talking specifically about bodies, right?
Yes, specifically on body now.
So like fitness, abs, that kind of stuff.
Can you get specific?
Well, okay.
So obviously there's a different standard between men and women.
Would say, generally speaking, I would say women are attracted to men who have at least some degree of muscular development.
However, I don't think we can say the same about men's view of female attractiveness when it comes to their bodies.
I think the degree of muscularity on a woman is not particularly like a really huge.
They're different standards, but they make it less attainable for women to achieve these standards.
I mean, look at the Victoria's Secret models.
I mean, when the Angels came out, everyone was like, oh my gosh, if I could just have that body.
And there was actually an interview by one of the angels where she said that there was so much editing and retouching to even her size zero.
I mean, she's not just skinny, she's fit.
There was so much editing and retouching to her body that when she saw her ad at Victoria's Secret, she asked her mom to take a picture next to her ad, and her mom goes, wait, is that you?
She didn't even recognize her own daughter.
So it's not just about, I mean, it's, it's, I don't, I don't think that's true what you're saying.
If there's a statistic, can we present a statistic on that?
I would be interested in.
I just need my eyes.
I just need my eyes.
I don't need some, well, I mean, for example.
Well, I need the proof because statistics, I mean, if we do a survey of like of how women feel, like, is it harder for women to achieve these unrealistic beauty standards because there's so much editing and so much retouching?
I've written down some notes, so I'll address what you're saying.
Okay.
So let's say the female beauty standard is flat stomach, although you need not have abs, maybe a little bit of muscle tone, but probably not really necessary.
And the healthy BMI.
That's enough for you to have a physically attractive body.
I feel like in a woman's mind, like that is not even close to it.
I feel like there's so many more things like your posture, like your hair, your skin, your eyelashes, your eye color.
Have you not been listening to the conversation?
I'm talking specifically about body right now.
I thought you were just talking about female and male attractiveness.
I'm talking about body.
We're talking about body.
Okay, continue.
What's the next part of what you're saying?
So in order to achieve that, flat stomach, maybe a little bit of muscle tone, healthy BMI range, you just need to go to the gym.
Honestly, you need not even go to the gym.
This is achievable purely through diet.
So, but if you really wanted to like somewhat maximize your beauty, go to the gym three days a week, eat like 200 calorie below maintenance, and you'll be there in a year if you're starting from average.
The male beauty standard that's rarely challenged by mainstream media is literally unobtainable without two, if not three, of the following.
So elite genetics, steroids, and five plus years of treating the gym as a part-time or second job.
I completely disagree because a lot of the beauty centers nowadays, like especially coming from me, I've been influenced by media since I was younger than most of you guys.
And always it's this Instagram model with a big butt, big boobs, little waist.
Do you know what I mean?
Even then, working on, you say you go to the gym, you know, women don't gain muscle as fast as men.
That's a fact.
And they also don't burn calories as well.
Men don't burn more calories sitting than a woman does.
The healthy percentage of body fat for a woman is significantly higher than for a man.
I think a man, it's like, what is it, like 3% or something like that?
And it's over 10 for women.
Okay, we can talk about body fat.
I'm actually prepared to also say that in terms of what men will find physically attractive when it comes to a woman's body, there's actually a large, you can fall within a larger body fat percentage range than can a man.
So, like, for example, thick.
Yeah.
That's like a certain body fat percentage.
I mean, we can debate what thick means, but you can fall within a much wider range of when it comes to your body fat percentage as a woman and still be deemed physically attractive.
Whereas for men to be deemed physically attractive or to have an attractive body, that body fat percentage range that you must fall into.
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Dad Bod is coaching.
Google the truth about dad bodies.
There's also not a baseline for like women.
Not all men and women have the same gender.
I think I agree with you over the last like 20 or 30 years, Brian.
But if you go back to like the 1950s, have you ever seen the old videos of like the Kennedy high schools athletic programs in the 1950s?
It's like a program that certain high schools had for young men and other high schools didn't.
And so you have like these old black and white videos of young men and they're hanging on jungle gyms, like 16, 17 year old boys in high school.
That's kind of an exception though.
Well, it's like within a year, these are 16 year old boys.
They're like shredded.
They're like diced.
And so I guess the question is like, how much muscle does a man need to have to be attractive to women?
Because I think those like fit young men is are women into that?
Or are they into more of like a bodybuilder archetype?
Because I'm bigger than those guys.
I don't know what women, what muscle mass or body fat women holistically prefer.
I think that men physically have a harder time in this environment where there's like slop food in our society and everyone's lazy.
But if you go back just a couple generations, it might not be true, might not hold true.
I'm not sure.
Well, aren't you proving my point?
You're saying it's now harder for men to achieve that sort of physique.
Yeah, so I'm agreeing with you in our current paradigm, right?
Okay, in our current society.
I mean, the one thing I would also point to when it comes to media portrayals, let's take leading men, for example.
Let's look at superhero movies.
So you take like Black Widow Scarlett Johansson.
That's achievable by a lot of huge swaths of women.
Her physique.
Yes.
She literally went through so much training for anything.
You guys are full of shit.
Read anything.
Do you know how handsome characters go through?
They literally changed their whole lives.
And it is so unattainable, especially when you have a regular job, you go to school, you do all these other things.
Dude, it's so unattainable.
No, no, no, no.
We can pull up pictures comparing the leading women in superhero movies.
We can look at their physiques and compare it to the physiques of men.
All the men, barring maybe one or two who are just genetically gifted, all the men in the superhero movies are on steroids.
Okay, so what you're talking about is muscle mass, but that is not what, that is not how women are viewed through the lens of attractiveness.
Yeah, it's not about muscle mass.
But that's not what I'm saying.
So for example, this is great.
This is actually like, let's look at Kim Kardashian.
Kim Kardashian brought in like the BBL thick era.
And I mean, I would say that she's like one of the number one women, her and Kylie Jenner, that our generation looks to as the standard of beauty.
So in the 90s, that was not the case.
So before it was like, who were the supermodels of the 90s?
Maybe like Carly Kloss was one of them.
And they were double zeros.
I mean, it was like impossible to be that thin.
Most women are never going to be a double zero.
Now we have Kim Kardashian with obviously, I mean, this beautiful hourglass figure.
I'm sure she has plastic surgery, which I'm not hating on plastic surgery.
So please don't take that as my argument, but I'm just saying she altered her body.
And now Kim Kardashian is the standard.
So everybody is following that standard.
And it's like, okay, now we have skinny is in now.
So it's like these completely unrealistic standards, whether it's to be thin or to be overly curvy, that are not natural for women.
They're ever changing.
They're ever changing.
Look, there are certain, there are women who are more curvy than others, some naturally so.
Obviously, things like, you know, women don't have really any control over, for example, their breast size, unless they get plastic surgery.
I'll give you that.
However, when we're speaking about things that are within people's control, for example, example, we are able to control our weight.
Now, how that ultimately ends up looking, weight can be, fat can be distributed differently between different people, but ultimately, you can be within like a healthy, you can be in a healthy body fat percentage, whether you're a man or you're a woman.
So, but you did kind of ignore my point about like, let's look at leading men and leading women in like superhero films.
If you look at like the top people in media to have an ideal physique as a man, like look at the superhero movies, they're all on steroids.
Scarlett Johansson has plastic surgery on her body, yes, absolutely.
So, it's I mean, I hit that.
What evidence do you have for that?
Google it.
She has a breast job, or excuse me.
Probably.
Oh, definitely, probably.
I looked.
Maybe her face, but I'm not convinced her body is.
You know what I read?
I think she actually had breast reduction surgery at one point.
Okay, so there it is as well.
Either way, it's plastic surgery.
And besides that.
I mean, plastic surgery that is like public information as well.
That's what I was going to say.
A lot of these women are getting, I mean, so many things done.
Like, for example, let's go to the Kylie Donner thing where she denied having plastic surgery.
She had this total transformation.
And again, no shame to plastic surgery.
But it's like, if you're going to do it, please take ownership of it so we can stop believing that these are natural.
Yeah, I think you would have, like, people would have a better understanding of like what like plastic surgery, like, how it actually looks on people in real life.
Yeah.
Yep.
Also, like, some plastic surgery isn't as, like, I feel like a lot of times when people think plastic surgery, they think, like, extreme, like Kylie, who's probably had, like, seven or eight procedures to, like, or that look like sometimes celebrities have plastic surgery that's very subtle and people might not notice, like, to be that way.
Yeah.
Oh, hold on a hundred.
Bender the offender donated $99.
Eddie Hall is a strong man who looks like he has a dad bod of sorts, but his most of his weight is pure muscle.
Yeah, true.
I don't think most people would consider him like a beauty icon for men though or an icon of handsome masculine.
Here, let's do this.
Scarlett Johansson, she's in superhero.
What is she?
Black widow?
Is that who she is?
Yeah, yeah.
Nick, can I have you pull up a Google tab?
Search, let's do Scarlett Johansson.
Don't get excited, guys.
Scarlett Johansson bikini.
So we can actually see her body.
Also, the way she's presented in that movie is also edited, just like the men are edited.
CGI and everything.
CGI, yeah.
A lot of things.
Let us know when you have it.
Yeah, they do.
Yeah, they have to makeup trailers just to make them look better.
All right, scroll down, scroll down.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
The far left top in the blue bikini, top.
Yep.
That physique is achievable by like 90% of women.
Okay, so, but you're talking about her as black widow.
Yeah.
And also, I think that working out in the gym is achievable for men as well.
But I do see what you're saying, that there is an unrealistic standard for both men and women.
And I think that we have just created this toxic, toxic culture where we're constantly idolizing these people and holding especially women, but yes, also men to unrealistic standards.
And it makes it not only harder for us to be satisfied in who we are, but now we're living in an era because of social media where we're constantly comparing our partners to what we see online.
And it's a fake representation of what is happening in real life.
I mean, obviously.
It's AI worlds.
I mean, everyone's in AI worlds with filters and editing.
Okay.
Well, I want to try to finally make my point on this.
So can you also pull up who's the girl with the whip?
Fuck, what's her name?
Oh, Gal Godot.
Gal Godot.
look at her then then we'll look at who's the guy from in four From what?
In Thor.
Chris Hemsworth.
Chris Hemsworth.
We'll look at him.
And then we can look at Wolverine.
We can look at who plays Captain America.
We can look at all the superheroes.
We can see their degree of physique.
Go ahead.
I mean, just in a second.
So just to like, while we wait, just to recap, your point is on a scale of physical attraction, it is harder for a man to be a 10 out of 10 than a woman to be a 10 out of 10.
That's like generally the point.
It's harder for a man to achieve an ideal man's body.
I think it's harder for men to achieve the ideal male physique than it is for women to...
No, no, let's not even say ideal.
Let's just say attractive physique.
It's harder for men to get an attractive physique when it comes to body than it is for women to achieve an attractive physique.
And I also, I would say that in addition to the body fat range that I mentioned, I think that there's much more different body types that men will find attractive than women will find attractive.
You have everything from like stick thin to fit all the way to like thick, whatever.
There's like a much wider range of different body types that men will find attractive versus what women will be.
Do we have a like thick is bad for a thick is good for women's?
Gal Godot.
Okay, pull up the one.
She's ripped.
Yeah.
This is not a good example.
She's totally ripped.
Pull up the one Gal Godot bikini mission.
Oh, look at her as Wonder Woman.
Pull up that video if we want to talk about that.
Wasn't she in a reality?
That is actually unachievable.
Yeah, she was.
That is totally unhigh level.
Scroll down.
Scroll down.
Well, I mean, not unrealistic, but harder to achieve.
Then, hold on.
I'm trying to actually could you X out of that one Scroll back up to the top.
Okay, the one with her in the hat.
Scroll down.
There's the one in the hat and then the one next to it.
Okay, scroll down the other one, actually.
No, but to the right, to the right, to the right.
So is your momentum to be next to it?
It's all the way to the left, all the way to the left.
The one all the way to the left from the cursor, yeah.
This is like She's extremely skinny Yes, but like, this is achievable.
For who?
I've never looked that skinny in my life.
It's actually really difficult to get out of here.
If the argument is that it's easier for a woman to look like that than it is for a man to look like Chris Hemsworth when he's playing Thor, that's absolutely true.
That's absolutely true.
Do you disagree with that?
I would like to see the statistics on it.
What statistic?
Okay, here, let's just use our eyeballs.
Hold on, hold on.
For a man to look like Chris Hemsworth while playing Thor, he's got to inject trembling.
Hold on.
Let's just use our eyeballs.
Okay, but fuck the statistics.
That's a photo of Gal Godot.
Is it easier for an Nick?
I need you to pull up a photo of Chris Hemsworth.
On the beach randomly.
Is it easier to look like that as a woman than show us one of the pictures from the one from the beach?
What's more achievable?
That is achievable.
These chicks are achievable.
You think that's more achievable?
I've seen people at my gym perfectly achieving that.
I think it's harder.
In order, hold on, hold on, hold on.
I mean, definitely get to commit.
but you guys are hope you guys are hopeless you guys You guys are fucking hopeless.
I think it's so weird how you propose all these topics as it's harder for men or harder for women.
I feel like it's good to talk about, but why does it have to be harder for men or harder for women?
Yeah.
I'm just curious.
Your point is that.
But your point in talking, correct me if I'm wrong.
Your point in bringing this up was that it's harder for men to achieve what's generally deemed as attractive for men in the eyes of women than it is for women to achieve attractions.
Is that what your point is?
Either, yes, it's harder or no, it's not harder, like, do.
Like, I think talking about how it's hard for everybody is like, like, beauty standards and what everyone goes through is important to share.
But, like, why does someone have to, like, win?
I'm just.
So, your question is why we're having the conversation.
I mean, look, she.
No, I'm asking, like, why it's posed that way.
I will say this.
Because it's that way.
I will say, on this point, Brian is right.
Or it's just the style of your.
I don't think you need to look like Chris Hemsworth to be an attractive man.
I don't think you need to be that far.
And I don't think you need to be as thin as Gal Godot to be an attractive woman.
I don't think that's a request.
That's the absolute requisite for being.
I think that they're both unrealistic extremes.
On both ends of the spectrum, we can still have a productive conversation and talk about it without saying, like, women, it's harder for men.
I mean, they make it a bit more difficult.
There's this trope you mentioned.
The reason I'm having this conversation is you brought up that there's this trope about, oh my God, female beauty standards, they're so unattainable.
It's so unfair.
Women have it so bad.
And I'm sitting here and saying, actually, if you look at the truth, you look at male depictions in media, compare them to female depictions in media.
We often talk about depictions in media.
It's so un oh, these beauty standards are so unfair.
Look at the women in the magazines.
Look at the fucking men in the magazines.
And I'm here to say that it's harder to achieve the male depictions of beauty than it is for women to achieve the female depictions of beauty.
It's hard for both.
However, you cannot, you're not going to get through to me that it's harder if you pull up the Gal Godot photo, that that physique is harder to achieve than Chris Hemsworth.
But it's not just about their bodies.
It's also about their faces.
Women are held to an unrealistic sense of the body.
It's like difficult for everybody who goes through things.
Like, why does someone have to be like the man?
You're shifting the goalpost.
We were having a conversation specifically about body.
We can have a conversation about face.
However.
It started on face and you changed it to body.
I feel like when we're talking, none of us have ever been like, it's harder for women.
Like, it's just so black and white.
Okay, you're talking in such absolutely.
It's an equal struggle instead of.
It's not an equal struggle.
Why?
Why do you even know that?
I've literally just laid out my argument.
As a man, as a woman.
I think neither of us can truly interact with you.
Yo, can you stop interrupting?
Can you stop interrupting?
Please let me finish.
Okay.
Repeat what?
I'll answer what your statement was.
You said it was equal, correct?
Okay.
So a woman to have an attractive body or even the ideal body need not really ever step foot in a gym.
A man to have an ideal body or an attractive body need step foot in the gym, need years of strength training.
You don't need years.
I mean, simply not true.
Sometimes being big is some people are genetically short of fit.
Same like bodybuilder status, but like a woman to have a physically attractive body need not necessarily ever step foot into a gym.
However, I don't think the same thing can be said about men.
However, let me remove the gym.
A woman need not strength train to have an attractive body.
A man needs to strength train.
That's true.
Not if you want bigger butt, you have to work.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that's a good idea.
I know guys that look muscular without ever going to the gym.
Like some guys are just really skinny guys.
Okay, you could be an athlete, but like, okay, this is just not.
Strength training aside, if you want to be an attractive man, you're physically exerting yourself five or six days a week and monitoring your diet.
If you want to be an attractive woman, you're eating at caloric maintenance and you're not just not, you're just like, don't be obese.
It's just so different for everyone.
I mean, especially then there's like factors of like cellulite and like saggy skin that are also possible.
I think that women are under a stronger microscope.
We don't have to go on about this, but I do want to assert that women are under a harsher, more unrealistic beauty standard than men.
Erroneous.
It's just point blank wrong.
By what basis?
You're going off on all.
You're asking why I'm arguing about that.
It's because no, I didn't say why you're arguing.
I didn't ask that.
Okay, well, I think she was, but that's what I'm arguing against.
And also, I'm prepared.
I would say that, and this is, you mentioned statistics.
We can actually pull up some data pulled from the dating apps.
Women are much harsher judges of physical appearance than men are.
Not in body, though, in face.
In everything.
Okay, I want to see the statistics on it.
For example, here we go.
Here we go.
So, okay.
Let's talk about things that are within control.
So women have more factors that are outside of, when it comes to caring about physical appearance.
Women have more things that they care about that are just out of men's control when it comes to their physical attractiveness.
Touch us.
Sure.
Okay.
Let's talk about men who are bald, men who are balding.
Women, men can't really control that.
Women, generally speaking, prefer men who have a full head of hair.
That's one.
So you're telling me you would be okay with a woman who was bald?
They can get hair transfer.
Come on.
I mean, give me a break.
I think this is going around the merry-go-round, but I do think that we can agree that there are unrealistic standards for both men and women and that it's fed by social media and yes, dating apps and the mainstream media.
And it makes it harder for people to feel fulfilled in themselves and also to find partners and to feel fulfilled in their relationship.
Right, but I'm arguing with you because you said that women have it harder.
And here I'll lay out a couple things.
So things that are outside of men's control that women care quite a bit about when it comes to physical appearance, height, hair, penis size, sexual stamina, sexual function.
Now, let's ignore the last two.
Height, balding, penis size.
Women care about these things.
Men have absolutely zero control over those things.
Okay, what's the list for women?
I wish I had a computer too when I was a little bit more.
Can you pull up the list for women that men look at?
Yeah, tell me, what are the things that are out of women's control?
Without plastic surgery?
The only thing I can do is Think of is breast size.
Guys can get muscle.
Your nose, your lips.
But that applies to both.
Let's talk gendered things here.
But are we looking at a man going, oh, his lips are small?
I don't like him.
Oh, his nose is small.
Yeah, it's also more promoted for women to get plastic surgery than for men.
Definitely.
Let's have a conversation about physiognomy.
Let's have like a 90-minute talk about physiognomy and the face of a man, the shape of a man.
We get into the face and your cheekbones and the way your chin protrudes.
Let's have a deep physiognomy.
Physiognomy?
Is that like the face, like the way it's cut up?
Okay, let's not have a physiognomy.
No grabbing.
What is it?
I've just never seen it.
Yeah, so it's a pseudoscience alleging that you can look at someone's shape of their face and determine sort of the merit of their character.
You can predict their behavioral patterns.
Are more likely to trust people who they consider attractive.
Yeah, or you're like your face a certain way, so maybe you're more aggressive or something like that.
Yeah.
Okay, that's interesting.
You're trustworthy.
Yeah, I've like looked into things like that, so that's good to know a name for it.
Okay, look, what I was trying to get at is there are more things out of our control as men that are pretty big deal breakers for women than the reverse.
Like I said, height, hair, so if you're balding, and penis size.
The only thing I can really think about that is specifically gendered towards women that they really can't control, I would say, is breast size.
So you think that if a woman was bald, that she would have an equal chance of women with hair?
What?
Well, you're saying you said that.
Women don't bald anywhere near the same rate as men.
I mean, like alopecia.
But you're saying, oh my God.
Are you guys really arguing?
You know what?
You can get exhausted over here, but you're saying that you said, so now I'm just using from your logic.
I'm looking at this from your logic.
You said that only apply to men, right?
Only apply to men.
So you're now bringing in that women can't bald into your assumption, which is just not true.
Women get extensions all the time.
Men or women?
Women get extensions all the time to make their hair fuller and more attractive.
So what do you, so, and men can get hair transplants.
Your logic is.
Are we not operating in reality here?
Because your logic is flawed.
My logic is not flawed.
Yeah, it is.
Okay, let me ask you: hold on, no, no, no.
Hold on.
Let me ask you a question.
Is it wrong to say that humans are born with 10 fingers?
Well, some are born with 11.
No, but is that a wrong, generally speaking, like is that a wrong statement to make that humans have 10 fingers?
Technically.
They should have 10 fingers.
Okay.
Is it the case that some people have genetic abnormalities and some people are born with 11 fingers?
See, I would be.
It's not wrong to say, it's not wrong to say that humans are born with 10 fingers.
Because of men's biology, they're more likely to bald than women.
They're only bald donated $100.
Balding in women is substantially less common.
Thank you.
You can't use the minority to prove a point.
Do some women bald?
some women bald yes but it's like so if you can't use the minority to prove a point then we do have to actually look at the other facial features of women like their lips and their nose Because what are the statistics?
If you can't use the mind.
Because you're saying that we can't like men, but both men and women have those features.
We're speaking about strictly gendered things.
And I'm saying that women don't like men who are balding.
And men don't like women who are also balding, but that ignores the fact that they have other facial features, like if they have too big of a nose or too small of lips.
Women have those exact same assessments of men's faces.
It just gets so hostile and so repetitive, you know?
Because it's such a bad faith argument to say women bald too at the same rate as men.
I'm not arguing that it's at the same time.
You literally brought up women balding.
I'm saying that it happens sometimes also.
Like it's it's like you're trying to say that men have are held to a higher standard than women in their physical appearance and that's just not true.
I don't know what the percentage breakdown of if like at what age men start losing their hair.
It's so hard just to like agree on that it's difficult for everybody.
I think we did it.
We can talk about other things.
But it's definitely not harder.
We can talk about that.
Bro, it's just so bad faith when you have a for example.
I think it's Battlebase to bring in statistics that prove that men are under a more magnified scope than women when it comes to their facial features and physical appearance.
That's just not true.
Okay, we can actually pull up some infographics.
So we have some infographics here.
Nick, if you're able to go find them, we can pull up the bumble height one.
We can pull up, let's see, hold on.
They're in the Dropbox podcast infographics folder.
Most people meet on dating apps on the screen.
Is it meeting in person or is it when someone looks at a picture of someone on a screen?
I'm just asking because you said the statistics are from Bumble.
One of these infographics is from Bumble.
Okay.
So is it in-person like statistic or is it when someone looks at someone on the screen?
I'm just saying.
You can try to throw away all the data we have from dating apps, but the reality is you can try to throw it away.
However, the reality is most people do actually meet online on dating apps.
No, okay, I'm just asking, is this info gathered from people meeting in person or is it gathered from someone like not meeting someone and just looking at them on a screen?
The data I'm about to present comes from dating apps.
Okay.
Okay.
You know, maybe the screen is even more important because people uploading photos to a dating app, they're uploading presumably their best photos.
Right.
So this is them in their best angle versus real life, you know, it's not quite so favorable.
All right, so here's, Nick, here's the ones I need you to pull up.
There's the bumbleheight one.
Are you in?
Okay.
And then if you scroll down a bit, there's OKC new chart.
There's OKC, OKC1, OKC2, OKC message, MSG.
Drag those all over.
but let me know when you have it.
I'm getting delirious.
Bro, we should just go.
We've got to get out of here and just go kill Lucifron, dude.
Let's go get a binding of the OK.
The other thing is that women aren't just held to this standard by men, it's by other women because we're comparing ourselves to other women in what we see online.
So it's not just from men.
Do you have it, Nick?
I got four of those ones there.
Okay.
We'll start with the bumbleheight one, and then we'll just move through them as quick as we can.
And the last one is OKC MSG.
Yeah, so you should have pulled up OKC new chart, OKC, OKC1, OKC2, OKC MSG, and BumbleHyPref.
I think I got them all started almost.
Yep, perfect.
Okay.
Sweet.
You need to control mouse wheel up a little bit so we can see this.
Okay, so this is specifically with height.
So bumble filters set in advanced filters by female users by height.
Scroll a little higher more.
Make it bigger.
Make it a little bigger.
So these are filters that are set in advance by female users.
So they're saying, I only want to match with men this tall or higher.
So it starts getting 5'10, 5'11, 6 feet, more, So this demonstrates that women do care quite a bit about height.
It somehow peaked at 636465.
That's not the super important one.
Let's look at the next one.
Well, keep in mind earlier we learned that if you're over 6'3, you're in the top 1% of men's height, right?
Scroll up on that one.
Perception of male attractiveness versus female attractiveness.
Men, as rated by women, versus women as rated by men.
So men rate women on a pretty even distribution bell curve, whereas women are much harsher judges of physical appearance.
This is from OKCupid.
Next one, please.
And I think these other ones.
Make sure you mouse wheel up.
Okay, this is how one down, please.
Scroll one down.
How men rate women.
So this is kind of echoing the last stat that we looked at.
So, and this is put, this was published direct from OKCupid.
So men rate women, you know, there's a pretty even distribution there, whereas women are very, very harsh judges of men.
They put what is that?
0% of men are considered most attractive.
Yes.
And so this was released from OKCupid.
Next one.
Oh, and this just shows both of them.
Yeah, that's fine.
You can do next one.
Next.
Yeah, you can scroll up.
And I think there was one more.
Actually, I don't know if that one's super important.
The reality is that women are swiping no on the vast majority of men on dating apps, especially if you look at Tinder, where it's like based off of purely physical appearance.
So, I mean, that would suggest to me that women are judging men much more harshly than men are judging women when it comes to physical appearance.
Okay, maybe that's true in dating, but I don't think that it is the overarching truth for media in general and the unrealistic standard that women are held to by, again, not just by men, but by each other and by the mainstream media and social media.
Hence why women use more filters than men.
Why women get plastic surgery?
Why the magazines are retouching our photos to look like completely different people.
So let me ask a question.
Considering how harshly women judge men, is it possible that women are engaging in those behaviors because they're also harshly judging themselves?
And each other.
Yeah, definitely.
Like if you, I feel like it's kind of human nature to feel like if you're subjected to something, then you're going to kind of return that energy with your outlook unless you're like actively working on that.
Or like checking yourself for that.
I mean, okay, we're going to move on from this topic because we've kind of been beating a dead horse here.
I mean, again, I would just argue, if you look, if you compare, for example, the leading men versus the leading women in movies, et cetera, the leading women are not on PEDs.
They're not taking steroids.
They're not taking growth hormone.
They're not taking drugs to enhance like.
They're just paying thousands of dollars of plastic surgery.
Most.
I'm pretty sure, actually, I'd say most of the leading women do not have fake tits.
They don't have lipo, they don't have BBLs.
That's not the BBL thing, maybe, but there are seizures that they get that aren't those.
Perhaps, but at the end of the day, if we're speaking about physics.
I'm trying to move on from this topic.
If we're speaking physically, I'm not sure if I can do it with this topic.
I'm just saying women are not taking PEDs when it comes to their bodies.
it's much more achievable for women to get the leading woman body than it is for the man to get the leading man body.
And in any case, we are going to...
I guess it's just easier for women then.
Yes, I agree with you.
Okay, we're going to do some super chats here.
We have Marcus Enceladus.
Oh, my God.
Yes, no, over-reliance on studies are unavoidably error-prone.
Many discoveries overturned.
Settled, incontrovertible truth.
Success of naturally evolved instinct.
Greater than studies reject what has enabled our survival because we wish it were different.
Question mark, very good point.
Have you heard about the replicability crisis and some of the problems?
Oh like, it's very hard to replicate studies yeah yeah yeah, all right, we have Sulk 79 here.
Religion girl, do you think sex without the purpose of reproduction is allowed in marriage and if so, why?
Um obviously, but oh, without the purpose of reproduction.
Well, I think that when you're a married couple um, you should be open to the possibility of life.
I don't think that that always is the case, that 10 out of 10 times you're gonna conceive.
So obviously it's to love one of one another and to get pleasure from it.
I mean, it's not just about having kids, but you should be obviously open to the possibility of life, which means no birth control um, or contraceptives.
We have Adam Barnett here.
Hey, thank you, man.
Awesome to see you are having people from here in Pa and other East Coast states on the podcast.
Could panel tonight?
Blue hair is still a little stoned, but everyone is respectful in their disagreements panels.
Thoughts on long distance dating, good or bad?
Yeah, we can go around really quick.
Long distance, good or bad?
Um, I feel like it can be good if you take the good things in it.
I mean, it just depends on the person.
For me, my experience it's been good and you get to chance to see another place.
I feel like at long distance relationships it was nice for me to like go travel and see where they were living.
I agree you could go either way, depending on the person yeah, good or bad, depending on what you're willing to put in for the relationship.
I also agree that it depends on the couple and what they're looking for.
It depends on the couple but honestly, I my like physical love language is being around you, spending time with you.
It's kind of hard to do that when all you get to see you is from a phone screen most of the time.
I feel like they can only last so long yeah, you can only do so much with it and that you get.
It just kind of gets super hard, especially if you don't have the money to travel, especially if they live super far, maybe even in a different country, you know it.
Just, it gets kind of tiring.
I feel like yeah, they're not sustainable long term.
I don't really have an opinion on it.
To be honest.
I think it.
Some couples can make it work, some others can't.
Um, I don't think I have an opinion of whether it's good or bad.
Bad period well, I just think, like when you're so, when you're so far apart from like your significant other, all you're thinking about is wanting to be with them.
But I see how it could work for people who are very strong-minded and very much in love, because you can see all like the good within it, but I just see all the bad.
I would never agree that long distance marriage is good.
I think if you're like in the precursor and you're still dating, then maybe I I don't have an opinion necessarily on that way, but I don't think you should be in a long distance marriage.
I don't.
I don't think that works or is good.
We have the real Mr Meatball here.
Would you all date a bald guy?
So we're going to go around the table on that, by the way, Madison.
I don't know if you have to get out of there.
Feel free.
Are you sure?
It's your goal, but I know you said you got it.
I'll leave it like in like five minutes.
Okay.
Would you all date a bald guy?
Yeah, I would.
And also, if you're bald, like you can get tattoos on your head, and like I think that would look nice also.
Why do you look at me?
Why are you looking at me, dude?
You were gesturing.
You were just.
No, I'm just sitting here.
And I'm not going to get head tattoos either.
That's ridiculous.
That's stupid.
Just about one spot.
What about you?
What about you?
Yeah.
You date a bald guy?
Fuck, I should have asked this shit.
I should have asked this shit before we were arguing about this because I feel like it's going to shift your answers, but go ahead.
Probably not if he was already bald.
But if it was like my boyfriend or husband and he went bald, like, that's okay.
Obviously, I'm not going to leave him because of that.
I like the head tattoo idea, though.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
My boyfriend went bald.
I'm still sticking by him.
Okay, y'all have seen Mr. Clean.
That man is fine.
I would date a bald dude.
Right.
Van Diesel, right?
Van Diesel.
The rock.
Come on, man.
Van Diesel.
Wait, I want you guys to look at the screen.
I want you guys to give a kiss to only Andrew Tate, I would date.
No.
Who else smokes a cigar?
What the fuck?
No?
Here, hold on.
I got this.
Give him a little pad or something if you want.
Wait.
What about you?
Would you date a bald guy?
Yeah, I think I would.
Madison?
I just said only Andrew Tate.
I think that some guys pull it off.
I would date you went bald still.
I don't think that all guys can pull it off, but I think some do.
For some, it works for them.
All right, we have Cloud Force Show here.
Hey, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
If a man wants to enjoy the company of a woman for a few hours, he can go to a brothel and pay.
If a man wants to enjoy the company of a woman for his whole life, he can go to a church and pay marriage.
The church sells what the brothel rents.
Okay, I've never heard that one, but that's an interesting take.
Thank you, Cloud Force Show, for the very generous donation there.
The real Mr. Meatball says, body fat is food.
Muscle is working out.
It doesn't take anything more than discipline to have a good physique.
Scarjo was not in that crazy shape.
I will say, I did.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
I saw a comment that was like, oh, why should I listen to these girls?
I bet none of them have touched a gym for years, but I think some of us are physically active.
It's just like not going to the gym or, you know, lifting super heavy weights.
So it might look like, I feel like fitness looks so different in terms of what fitness you're doing and your body type and genetics and stuff.
So, yeah.
Word.
Word.
Okay.
We have bugamis.
Bungamous.
Brian, looking at the ideals is unproductive in this conversation here.
The average woman who eats an average amount of food with no exercise looks completely fine.
The average man who eats an average amount of food with no exercise becomes skinny fat.
Yeah.
I mean, I think I mentioned that.
Like a woman who has never stepped foot in the gym, like average female body, like a lot of guys are going to be like, she's got a nice body.
Whereas like a dude who doesn't train at all.
For example, I think the skinny body type is more men are going to find the skinny body type attractive than women are going to find the skinny body type attractive in men.
In any case, we went around, we beat that horse to death.
But Bungamis, thank you very much for the TTS there.
And we have Joshua Mills.
Hey, thank you.
Would you ladies date a third grade teacher?
Do you consider that a respectful job?
Just really quick, yes or no?
Maybe show of hands.
If you're good with the kids, third grade, would you date a third grade teacher?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
We have Jay Doc here.
Thank you, man.
I've been to war, jumped out of the planes, took care of my GMA.
Grandma in her last year through hiked the AT, Appalachian Trail, I believe.
Bald and not good looking.
I have had one girlfriend.
Not a single one of you would give me the time of day.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
Personality argument is for good-looking people.
Well, just listen, J Doc.
You need to stop being ugly.
You need to seem to look better.
Really?
And also, I'd want to date you.
Yeah.
Because, like, how old are you?
I feel like you're just selling yourself short by already saying that none of us would give you the time of day.
Yeah.
You're supposed to sell yourself and that's confident.
Hype yourself up, dude.
Yeah.
Don't put that in there, you know.
Yeah, we love confidence.
Don't sabotage yourself, you know.
Step one.
I'm outro.
I love you guys.
Have a good night.
See you, Madison.
Bye.
Good seeing you, Matt.
Yeah, take care.
Step one, be attractive.
Step two, don't be unattractive, I think, is what everybody was getting at.
I will say, I think most people, like, just by nature of not being fat or obese, you're already like a five out of ten.
And then if you build muscle, it goes up from there.
We have Kate Robinson.
Yo, men have testosterone.
Holy fuck.
Brandon has donated $1,000.
Gotta say this has been a great pod.
Even though I did suffer that stroke from blue hair girl, everyone has had interesting opinions.
Holy fuck, bro.
Keep up the good work, Brian.
Oh, fuck.
Didn't mean to send the asteroid there, bro.
Dude.
Wait, you're from Sacramento?
Bro.
What part of Sacramento?
Oh, are you asking because he's got that cob?
Are you a little maybe he's a homie?
I don't know.
Okay, her DMs are open, I guess.
Well, she saw you draw.
100k on the thousand throws.
Hey, that is the biggest.
That is the biggest TTS I think we've ever fucking had, man.
Thank you so much.
That's insane, dude.
Brandon, you're a fucking Giga Chad, fucking legend.
Hold on, I got something for you.
I'm a fucking legend.
That's you, dude.
Thank you, man.
By the way, that does, I don't know if you wanted to, you technically hit the you could technically mute a microphone for 10 minutes if you wanted to.
And we could also technically Instagram review, too.
If you want, let me know.
Okay.
Thank you so much, man.
That's overwhelming.
Thank you for patronage.
I think I had this one pulled up.
Men have testosterone that makes men have a way easier time losing weight, so I think men have an easier time losing and keeping off fat.
Brian is still right.
Okay, thank you, Kate, for the cosine.
Sound deep, pant.
Oh, wait.
Okay, that's just Nick, pull those up if you haven't.
Oh, did you already pulled these up?
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
We're good.
We're good.
All right, sweet.
Let's see.
We're definitely going to skip over the Jonah Hill stuff just because, I mean, we're not going to have time for that.
What we are going to do, though.
Oh, shit, we should have done this.
Is Maddie still here?
Or did she dip?
Is she in the bathroom?
Maddie?
I think she dipped.
Okay.
We are going to react to there's a couple gentlemen who I'm acquainted with who I'm trying to, you know, be a wingman, set these guys up with perhaps one of the lovely ladies here on the panel.
So we're going to go through a couple guys, and you're going to tell me, would you date him or would you not?
Smash or pass, whatever you want to, you know, however you want to, however you want to view it.
So pay close attention.
We're going to pull up their Instagrams.
Just one thing, Nick.
Just make sure that you've scrolled down a little bit so we just don't see the username and you know what to do.
So if you can, Nick.
Is it Oslo and Gold?
Pull up the first one.
Just whichever one's the first one.
There should be a string of like Instagrams.
Okay, so here we have Zach.
He's got great flow.
Let's scroll down, and he has an axe or something.
I don't know where he got that from.
So this is Zach.
He's a very good guy.
I've known him.
He gets a lot of likes on his pictures.
Oh, yeah, maybe don't do that.
You know, scroll down.
Keep scrolling, you know.
And that's him, I guess, with a bald head.
And let's keep scrolling.
That's him.
He really likes axes.
And he's a wonderful man.
Very kind, very, very cool guy.
He looks fun.
So let's just do a show of hands.
How about no, no, no, we'll go around the table.
Smash or pass.
Would you date him?
However you want to take it.
Even though I love his axes, I would say pass.
Okay, what about you?
Pass.
Can I elaborate, Oman?
Huh?
Can I elaborate, Oman?
Sure.
Okay, the bald head photo was bomb.
Not gonna lie.
Oh, shit.
The bald head photo went off.
But I would have to pass.
He just looks too old for me.
Like, obviously, that's a different age frame.
You're 18, correct?
Yes.
What's like the oldest you'd date?
Probably max at this point, like 23, 25, pushing it, but that's just a different situation than what I'm in right now.
Okay.
I'm sorry, Zach.
Okay, so the bald head, good, but maybe he's a bit too old.
How old?
Do you know how old Zach is?
I think he's 31.
32.
Well, that's about 13-year difference.
Yeah.
So, like, he was in middle school when I was born.
Okay.
What about you, assuming you were single?
For all of these, let's assume you were single, whatever.
What about you?
I was going to say, I only have eyes for my partner.
Let's say you were single.
I prefer not to answer.
Do I have to play this game?
Yeah, well, you can opt out if you want.
Okay, I'm going to opt out.
All right, fair enough.
If you can pull it back up, would you date him?
Yeah, why not?
There you go.
Why not?
Scroll to the top, please.
Okay.
Wait, can we see the bald head photo again?
Wait, what?
So this is Zach, otherwise known as Asman Gold.
He's a Giga Chad World of Warcraft player.
He's super successful, very popular Twitch streamer, one of the most popular streamers on the platform.
Probably makes millions of dollars a month.
Very wealthy, successful.
Owner of OTK Network, Starforge PCs, and one of the most popular Twitch streamers.
So like internet famous, clouded up.
One of the goats.
One of the legends.
One of the legends.
And he's just like a fucking pumper.
Like he's when it comes to like DPS.
He's a gamer.
His DPS is like pretty good.
Holy shit.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my God.
He's on fire!
Bro, who is- Is this the same- Wait, hold on.
Let me see.
Is this the same Brandon that I'm messaging with on Instagram?
Hold on.
Cause I don't know if I've got like different, is this, hold on.
Let me.
That.
That you?
Bruh?
Okay.
Dude, thank you so much, man.
So does he live next to me?
What is that?
Oh, that's like probably 25 minutes from where my hometown is because I'm like the other side.
Okay.
But, like, it's coming down.
You mean...
Well, I mean, you saw the cash.
No, the cash isn't the only thing.
But like, how old are you is my real question.
She wants to she wants to know.
She's newly single as of what, one day ago or really?
Well, whole life.
I mean, technically, never been really like.
Well, you said he just moved here two days ago.
She's single, ready to mingle.
Can I comment?
You said the cash is not the only thing.
It is.
It is literally the only thing.
You don't know anything about him other than he lives.
Well, like, you don't know that.
All you know is that he's just spent $1,500.
Well, he could be a homie.
He's watching this.
He has a moment.
He's messaging me.
He's clearly a normal person.
He's messaging me on Instagram.
He says I'm a B25 in October, so he's 24.
Okay, see, that's still in the age range.
Well, you said 23 earlier.
Okay, but I said 25, pushing it.
You'll make an exception.
Think about it.
We can make exceptions.
Okay.
I mean, Asmund Gold is 31, and he's a millionaire many, many times over.
But money doesn't mean everything.
He also kind of looks like my cousin, so that kind of threw me off.
Hey, maybe that's a pro.
Well, I don't like my cousins.
No offense.
We're not in Alabama.
No offense to any people that love their cousins, but I'm not one of them.
What's really wrong with incest?
Let's have that.
I think it's just a drink.
We need to get Destiny back on here for the incest of it.
Kids come out with like four arms.
But I have a question for you.
I have a question for you and I, oh my God, I'm going to get, this is just like me playing devil's advocate.
Let's assume that neither person in the relationship wanted to have kids.
And he's actually doing it.
He's doing it.
Yes, I'm actually going to fucking take the pro-incest position.
Let's say both people are sterile.
They cannot, impossible to have kids.
Maybe one of them had some genetic thing.
Maybe they got sterilized.
Impossible for them to have kids.
Is it really that bad?
You know?
What?
You know, like brother and sister.
Oh, no, that's still gross.
Morally.
I think it should.
Is it really?
Yeah, it's gross.
It's gross, Brian.
And people are like, do you have a source for why that's gross?
Yeah, it's fucking gross.
It's disgusting.
No, but think about it.
Do you have a citation for why that's gross?
No, it's gross.
No, it's gross because there's, hold on.
Okay.
It's gross.
Would you date your siblings?
It's gross because of the kids thing.
Like, if you have kids, the birth defects, okay?
Would you date your mom?
You can't have kids, huh?
Would you date your mom?
No, no, no, no.
Hold on.
Oh, is that gross?
No, no, no.
Hold on.
Is there an area that everyone looks at for their parents?
What I'm saying is like sibling incest.
Yeah?
Anyway, sorry, I'm tapping.
I'm sorry.
Okay, anyway.
I don't want to engage in this movie.
It's gross.
What do I need to tell you?
I do not have a source for you.
I don't have a citation for why it's gross.
It just is.
It's programmed.
It's ingrained in my brain.
It's gross.
What's so wrong about a little assuming there's no kid?
Like, you can't have kids.
You have a sister.
Bro, hold on.
I'm just.
Bro, I'm playing devil's advocate.
I'm not actually like on the fucking pro.
Yeah, well, if you're going to devil's advocate, then I'm going to add hom.
Do I need to let your sister know something weird is going on here?
No.
Let's give her a headphone.
Let's not.
Okay.
All right, let's move on.
We were talking about Zach.
So, okay.
But Brandon.
Hey, Brandon, I'm looking at.
Brandon, do you want me to put in a good word, Brandon?
With Armani?
Yeah.
That's her name?
That's my name.
Okay.
Is your sister called like Gucci or what?
No, they're actually named after cars.
It's kind of funny.
Chevy?
Two older sisters.
Can I guess?
Yeah, guess.
There's two cars.
Porsche?
No, I wish.
I wanted that to be my name, Loki.
I like Bentley.
Mercedes?
Yeah, that's one of them.
Mercedes and Volkswagen.
No, I wish.
Volkswagen.
That's a great name for a girl, by the way.
I used to get roasted because I was not a car.
You said not Bentley?
No.
I wish.
Mercedes and chat.
What do you think it is?
Benz?
No, Hannah.
Imagine my name was Ferrari.
Oh, it'd be so cool.
Her name is McLaren.
I wish.
Dude, I wish I had a McLaren.
Lamborghini?
No, we're getting too high value.
Wait, okay, give me a second.
It's like a more regular car.
Regular car?
I'll give you a hint.
It's on the screen.
What?
No, no, no, no, don't.
Lexus.
Yeah.
Oh, Lexus.
Oh, my God.
Mr. Paytown.
Oh, Mr. PaytoWin.
Excuse me.
Thank you for the gifted 20 subs on twitch.tv slash whatever.
This is actually a good time to pull up our Twitch really quick.
Go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow.
Drop us a prime sub.
There we go.
Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow.
Drop us a prime sub.
Oh my God.
Buy power gum.
Link it, Craig.
Thank you, man.
Very much appreciated.
Go drop a follow.
Get some power gum while you're at it.
True.
Okay.
Go buy power gum.
Go to the person.
The best energy caffeine supplement ever.
Wait, question.
Can you look up right now on your phone like incoming orders?
Yeah.
If somebody buys a pack of power gum within the next within the next five minutes, stay safe.
We'll do a World of Warcraft dance of your choosing.
Okay.
Okay.
I don't know any of them.
Bro, but Brandon, thank you so much, man.
Much appreciated.
Can I get you guys linked up after this?
What's up?
Oh, wait.
Huh?
Brandon.
The guy who dropped like a bunch of people.
I mean, isn't my 1.5k.
Wait.
Like, what are you giving him of mine?
Like, my Instagram?
Your soul?
No.
Am I selling my soul?
Am I signing Illuminati right now?
Yes.
Oh, I'm getting you linked up, you know, because it seems like you're you're giving him my like Socials or you're like should be like, oh, send this up I'm giving him your social security number, your birth date, like all that.
I want to make sure he can steal my identity.
Okay.
Cool.
That's why you're interested in him.
So he steals your identity, not for romantic reasons.
Okay.
Got it.
Okay, let's do the next Instagram guy that you guys are going to, you know, pick Ripper Rooney.
Here we have Chance.
Now, Chance, close friends of mine.
You know, we're tight.
Chance is.
scroll down he's got a is that a what kind of bow is that I don't know.
This is Chance.
And he has a cat and a dog, I guess.
Yo, thank you for all the subs on Twitch, guys.
Beautiful dog.
Wow, look at that German Shepherd.
So this is Chance.
Scroll all the way down to him.
Oh my God, Mr. Pay2Win is on fire.
This guy is insane.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Dude, thank you so much for all your patronage on Twitch.
I would point out, though, what does Twitch take?
They take 50%?
Yep.
They do.
YouTube memberships take 70%.
I'm just saying, you know, YouTube memberships, they only, oh, excuse me, they only take 30.
Whatever.
Okay.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Let's go back.
I think we saw the photo, so we'll go around the table, actually.
My bad.
Yes, yes or no?
Would you date him?
Yes, I like Chance.
You want to elaborate a little bit?
You seem very enthusiastic about him.
Dude, Chance seems cool.
I saw that he does archery.
He seems like he's out in nature.
I like that.
I like his pets.
I feel like we would have stuff in common.
He's cute.
Seems chill.
Okay.
What about you?
Pass.
He's attractive, but just not my type.
What's your type?
Male feminist?
I think I find myself going for alternative people, people who look like me.
Okay, so like tap blasted with tasks.
Some spiky armband things.
Do you have a racial preference when it comes to dating?
No.
You don't care?
Okay.
All right.
Because you've mentioned like white colonialism a couple times.
I'm curious.
Wait, she has?
Yeah.
Wait, I missed that.
Hold on.
I, for the monogamy, I might have a hard time dating a white person because of a cultural disconnect.
I don't know.
That is racist against my people.
Is it?
Yes.
Was your ex-boyfriend a white person?
This is not on purpose.
Exposed.
No, this is exposed.
This is not on purpose, but I've only dated Hispanic men.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I don't know.
And you said you're from the Philippines, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Girl, Hispanic men are the biggest red flags.
But I think that's a good question.
Wow, this has gone really.
Just in my personal experience, I'm sorry, guys.
Are you Hispanic?
Yeah, I am.
Oh, okay.
That's friendly fire, I guess.
Did you get the pass?
Can you say that?
Like, if you're also a member of that race, are you?
Well, I've just, I've just been, I've had some bad experience with them.
And, like, seeing them.
My hometown has a lot of Hispanic people.
Okay.
Steer away now.
Was the offensive lineman, was he a white guy?
No, he was actually light-skinned.
Oh, Lights and Black Eye?
Yes.
Wait us.
Oh, he doesn't live here, does he?
No.
Okay.
I was thinking maybe you dated some, okay, never mind.
Someone you knew?
Yeah, there's a guy who's just crushing it in Santa Barbara.
Oh, does he play here?
Yeah, he plays football.
He's 6'3.
Okay, anyway.
It's not him, but it might be.
Okay, so.
Okay, good times.
Good times.
Did you want to continue having a back and forth with her on.
Why do you hate white people?
I don't hate white people.
Tell us why you hate white people.
Whoa.
I don't hate white people.
You have slight disdain for them?
No.
Well, honestly, I think it's because, you know.
Damn, how do I get it?
Tell me, break it down.
What have my people done?
No, I don't.
Well, a lot.
What are you talking about?
It's also because being Asian growing up in the Philippines, like when I was growing up, I grew up wishing I was white.
So I guess like it's Asian beauty standards, you know, colorism is a big thing in Asian countries and like, you know, on top of everything white people did to, you know, the world.
I just, I don't know.
It's very personal.
I guess I have some resentment.
I don't know, really.
But yeah, I mean, it's not technically white people's fault.
I mean, like, Asian people, like, impose those beauty standards on our own people.
Kind of-ish.
I don't know.
There's a lot that goes into it.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
I understand your, I understand your pure hatred now.
Not pure hatred.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
It's okay.
Let's continue.
As an involved in what I did.
Oh, wait.
Is this Chance?
Chance, right?
That's his name?
Okay.
Yeah, I like Chance.
Yeah.
I would hang out with him.
He's cute.
Hang out with him.
Would you do a little more than?
I mean, we'll start with him.
Hello?
Brandon Mels donated $500.
You're better be buying my guys, Kevin Gum.
Also, can we get a W in the chat for how hard Brian works for us?
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Dude, Brandon, you are.
Dude, thank you so fucking much, man.
Really appreciate all your patronage and support.
Means the fucking world.
Yeah.
And once we get through this, we will bring up the what?
Why are you looking at me that way?
We are speaking.
Oh, okay.
I'm listening to you.
I can't listen to you.
No, no, no.
You can listen to me.
Actually, for the rest of the show, you can look nowhere else but me.
Okay, so I just have to make directions.
You need to just like bury it.
Do I have to pick eye though?
Or just both eyes?
Just look at me like right here so I feel uncomfortable.
Okay.
You know, have you heard of that?
If you look at someone like right there, it's like kind of a dick move.
Well, because it's like they're like, whoa, they're not looking at me in the eyes, but they're like, okay, the rest of the show.
The whole time?
You cannot look away.
Okay, bet.
Okay, this is intense.
Okay.
Well, you looked away, though.
Well, yeah, I'm not going to.
How am I supposed to look at you straight the front of your face?
Yeah, just gaze upon me.
Okay.
Female gaze, harang.
Okay, just kidding.
Do you want like a scary gaze or like a just like a.
I want, how about like the rock?
You have to hold the rock for the entire show.
Okay.
Dude, my eyebrows can't just.
You know, it's okay.
It's like you're working your eyebrow muscles.
Okay, that works.
All right.
Where were we?
Oh, I should have been there.
Sorry, I looked away.
Wait, let's see the eyebrow raise.
The web is.
That's good.
Hold it for the rest of the show.
Okay.
Wait, which camera is it?
Wait, we were going around.
Did you guys get to answer about chance?
No.
I opted out.
Oh, opted out?
Okay.
Oh, I'm going to have to pass.
I'm sorry.
Brandon Mels donated $100.
No, YALIM not refunding this.
I'll write him down for the night.
Do enough to show I need something to listen to while I work.
Hey, Brandon, thank you so much for tuning in.
Thank you so much for your patronage.
Thank you so much for your support, man.
Really means the world.
That's overwhelming.
I don't think anyone's been this much of a fucking legend, giga-chad.
So I almost feel like, bro.
Hold on, let me fucking, I've never done this, but it warrants, oh my god, bro.
What is going on?
You guys are on fire.
You're Adam Barnett.
Thank you very much for the 20 gifted memberships.
Brandon, stick around if you're still here.
I'm going to get something very special.
Mr. Payton Win.
Also, I think I might have missed that.
Thank you for the 20 subs on Twitch.
Someone's telling me I might have missed that.
Thank you very much.
I'm going to get something.
While I get something very special, let's do the next.
Oh, actually, really quick, we got to pull up chance again.
We have to get the profile.
Okay, this is Soda Poppin' TV.
Very large Twitch streamer.
World of Warcraft, he's big into Druid.
He plays a Druid, World of Warcraft.
He's very, very good at Druid.
One of the best, arguably.
Been in streaming for a very long time.
Probably like just with Zach, millionaire many times over.
Does that change anything for any of you?
Can I look at the screen now?
Can I look away from you?
You have to look at.
You have to just another question.
Does he play DD?
Like DD?
Yeah.
Dungeons and Dragons?
Yeah.
Bro, what?
Hello?
Okay.
Then it might be.
He plays World of Warcraft.
Actually, he's a variety streamer, kind of.
It might have to be a does he play DD?
I am not sure on that.
I'm still a novice.
I just got into the world of DD guys.
I've only done two campaigns.
Started playing it.
I was going to be so fun to play.
That's when you like.
So my gym friends, which is kind of funny.
A bunch of gym bros and me just playing DD.
But we played online.
Love it.
I never thought I would be a DD person.
Well, you just roll the dice virtually.
But our game master has all the photos and everything and literally uploads it almost like a screen.
That's cool.
Love it.
Love it.
I've been put on.
Oh, what?
Oh, sorry.
I'm on.
I don't know.
That's kind of hot.
I'm not going to lie.
I've been put on.
Okay.
We're going to pull up the next one.
I need to get up for a sec.
We'll have the girls.
If you want to.
Matt, you got this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, who's coming up?
Pull her up.
Pull him up.
Pull up the next one.
Oh, it's S Fand.
Okay, this is a guy.
His name is S Fand.
He's a Persian.
And he has a lot of hair.
He's a big guy.
He's actually quite tall as well.
I think he's like six foot one or six foot two.
Okay, so let's go around a circle.
Would you date S fand?
Um, no.
No?
No.
What's wrong with him?
Um, I just don't see like a romantic vibe.
Also, like, I feel like he's interested in like anime because I've seen him like dressed.
He's a big-time weeb.
Big time anime guy.
And I just can't get into anime.
You don't like anime guys.
They're out of meat.
It's not that I don't like anime guys.
It's Persian 2.
So smash all day.
The Persians are great negotiators.
That's what they say.
It's true.
Oh, really?
I'm a good negotiator myself.
There you go.
So maybe we have more in common than I think.
Plus, I'm holding out for a chance, you know.
Holding out for chance, okay?
Yeah.
All right, S-Fand?
Pass?
Pat?
Why?
He's a great guy.
I mean, I think out of, you know, the three guys we've been showing, I think he's the one who I'd most likely go out with.
But it would still be a pass for me.
Yeah.
That's fair.
I would say pass, but he looks like we could be friends.
He's a very nice guy.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
So this is separate from the thing I'm going to do with Brandon.
If anybody buys, if we get one more person to buy a power gun, Matt told me that he would change it to one of these.
I'm not.
I'm not.
My wife will leave me.
I cannot do that.
But one of these girls will put it on.
No, I think you have to change into it.
Matt, you will have to change into one of those three Japanese.
There's a Sailor Moon costume and a school girl.
Listen, if you're tuning in, please do not purchase power gum.
I'm asking you to not buy that gum.
Does anybody know how to open champagne?
Brandon, this is for you.
I never drink, but this is an auspicious occasion, so I think we should bust out a little celebratory.
Celebratory.
This is starting to sound like celebratory.
Is this alcohol?
That's not the worst idea.
Thank you.
Watch it hit the microphone.
Maybe like aim it somewhere that here.
I'll pass it to you.
Thank you, man.
Or I should open.
No, I should hold on.
I should open it on stream.
You want me to give you it at the end?
Sure, sure, sure.
Who, with the exception of you two, I believe you're not of age, but who here would like some champagne?
I'll have some.
Oh, I have to drive home, so.
Oh, okay.
That's fine.
Champagne?
No, thank you.
Okay.
All right.
I think two.
That's more.
S-Fan, did everybody give this.
Is it my turn?
I'm sorry, I'm going to have to pass.
I think we skipped.
I opt out.
She opted out as well.
Okay.
All right.
How many more of these do we have?
I think we have.
Did we have one other thing?
Here, well, let's do a little temper.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
I'm going to aim it.
Am I going to aim it?
Hold on.
How do I do it?
Is it going to break up?
Bro, I don't drink, so I don't.
No, just try to twist it on.
You need to shake it up first.
It's going to start spraying.
I don't know.
No, just don't shake it up.
Just don't move it around.
Don't shake it.
I'm kind of scared.
Don't do it like.
I'm kind of terrified.
Hold on.
Wait, I think you feel.
Hold on.
It's going to go flying.
Oh, my gosh.
It's going to go flying.
Bro, I. How do I do it?
I've never, I don't really drink, so I don't.
Maybe we don't need to do it.
Do I just.
Well, it's not on camera if you want to do it.
First, do this, and then.
I'm sorry, I don't drink, so I don't know how to do this.
First, do you see any electronic?
Do it towards the window to the bottom.
If I were you, I would twist it.
Twist.
But keep your hand over the top of it.
Is it too strong?
It's going to exit.
It's not like shooken up.
Shaking up, is it?
It's not going to hurt your hand.
You'll be fine.
Full same.
Dude, I'm kind of scared, not gonna lie.
Don't be scared.
I'm kind of fucking scared, bro.
I don't drink, so I, you know.
Oh, fuck.
Bro, I'm gonna hit the fucking monitor.
I'm gonna break it.
Just do your teeth.
Fuck.
Brandon Will's donated $100.
Bro, I'm too weak.
I can't.
Holy fuck, dude.
I'm not strong enough.
Yes, you are.
Dude, I literally can't do it.
Dude, look at my dainty band.
This is unattainable for men.
Just to open champagne bottles.
I've never done this.
Just make sure it's not.
Yeah, point it that way.
Shoot it into the loft.
I just want to go like this.
Yeah.
Oh, is that possible?
Hold your hand over the chest.
Yes.
See you all the way.
Oh, that's beautiful.
I've never done that.
I was not expecting that.
You've never done that?
I've never done it.
I don't drink.
Okay.
I thought it just no matter what.
Oh, it's pink.
Oh, shit.
Am I not pouring this right?
I'm getting the fizz.
Fuck.
Okay.
You said you wanted some.
Okay, we'll do that.
All right.
This is dedicated to our patron, Brandon, who so this should actually be a trigger from someone.
So, okay.
Do I just not know how to pour?
You're supposed to be able to.
Yeah.
I thought that's for beer.
I think champagne's okay.
Well, it's also just bubbly and carpet.
Nice and bubbly champagne.
It's gonna happen anyway.
Whoops.
You're fine.
I'm sorry.
Okay, if you guys want to pass those down to the alcoholics over there on that side of the table.
Cheers to our.
Did you get one?
No.
Okay.
Cheers to our comrade, Mr. Brandon Mels, for his generosity in this hour of need.
Thank you very much, man.
Oh, it's not bad.
it's not bad um some some people bought power guns so you have to do uh did you want to shut them out Yeah, listen, I'll shout him out.
Listen, I cannot put on that outfit.
My wife will divorce me.
I'm not even kidding.
You actually, you signed a contract before the start of the show.
You are legally bound to put on a schoolgirl outfit.
Listen, well, Justin W bought PowerGum.
Now I know your address, Justin.
Just kidding.
We have Craig.
Oh, Craig is one of my viewers.
I know his first name, last name.
We have David David S. bought PowerGum.
We have Edward E. bought Power Gum.
Hey, thank you guys very much.
Thank you guys very much.
So PowerGum is my own business.
I am the only guy.
I am Mr. PowerGum.
It's all me.
And this is a product I've been selling now for around two years.
And I made it because all the other caffeine products suck.
I got sick of all the caffeine pills and the caffeine powders and the canned energy stuff.
It's just all it's got a lot of problems.
I'll say the best thing about PowerGum is it's like a very nice, clean burn.
It doesn't have that big spike and then the crash on the back end.
It's just a very nice burn.
That's the best way I can put it.
Okay, let's get these final few and then we're going to wrap up.
Can you pull up the final Instagrams and then you want to see the followers of this gathering?
Sure, we could show S-Fand really quick.
We got S-Fan.
We need a new one now.
Yeah.
This is S-Fan, he's also...
Yeah.
S-Fand, Chad Paladin.
He's like a ret paladin, though, so like in classic, it's like kind of poverty DPS, but he is like top in terms of paladin players.
He is pretty up there in terms of skill, but it's like he's kind of gimped himself by playing like, you know, kind of subpar class.
But he's a very righteous man.
He's a big man.
He's a great man.
Channel of the light.
He's a great, great man.
Champion of the light.
Let's do the next one.
This is Mitch Jones.
Oh.
He plays a mage.
Right.
In World of Warcraft.
Yeah, so that's Mitch.
That's what's up.
I have a feeling like our girl over here, Rita, might be interested in this guy.
He is white, though, so I don't know.
I mean, that's your words, right?
You don't like white guys, apparently.
This is Mitch Jones.
I think we get the idea.
So yay or nay on Mitch Jones.
No.
Damn.
No.
No, huh?
Okay.
No.
What about?
Av that.
I'm going to say no as well.
Okay.
All right.
Pull him back up.
Mitch Jones, he's another Twitch streamer.
Mage.
Okay.
All right.
Next one.
You can probably just control tab.
Oh, okay.
This is Frederic.
He is from Canada.
He's Canadian, so I don't know if that might be a con for somebody.
The little man PPC.
Little piece of shit.
And pull up that photo with the Thunder Fury.
So that's him with a sword.
So I was just curious, like, you know, so he's had two rogues in Classic who've had Thunder Fury, which is like pretty good for a rogue, right?
He's big, big rogue player.
He plays Hunter a little bit too.
Would you date him?
Yeah, your name.
No.
Man, it's tough out here.
I'm going to have to say no as well.
What the fuck?
I would.
Should we film the keyboard photo?
Oh, my God.
I'm keeping my options open for Brandon.
No, I'm just kidding.
How come you told her you're going to hook her up with Brandon, but you didn't tell me you're going to hook me up with Chase?
Wait, what?
Chase?
You mean the Christian guy?
Chase?
Isn't that his?
I think you're saying chance.
Chance.
Oh, chance.
Give her a chance.
I meant chance.
Yeah.
I'll see what I can do.
Let's do the next one.
We got to think about two more.
Oh, whoops.
Sorry, I didn't mean to do that.
This is.
This is.
What's his first name?
This is not.
Zaryu's.
What's his first name?
Joshua?
It's Josh.
It's Josh.
He's got a baby mom.
Oh, I think that was just like that was like for a photo shoot.
Yeah, his sister probably.
His sister also married him?
Probably.
So he's definitely single.
This is Zaryu.
Don't worry about that girl.
This man is not single.
I'm sorry.
This man is not single.
I actually see a ring.
He is not single.
It's his sister.
Probably really close to her.
So given the photos, let's assume he's single, right?
Let's assume he's single.
Do you go for him?
Do you date him?
He's a really good guy.
Really great guy.
And he made it to like 60 on his mage in hardcore.
that's impressive which you know it's like it's so funny you're telling us all these like world of warcraft statistics like it matters to us Nothing matters to us.
We're all like, yeah, like we don't know what that means.
So do you yes or no?
No.
I'm going to say no as well.
Okay, all right.
Let's pull it.
He's like a super attractive guy.
He's shredded.
He makes a ton of money.
Would you date him?
I would.
I'm not gay.
If he was single, but I love how that would be, but the fact that you're married didn't come up.
Next one.
That's, yeah, Josh.
Okay, next.
Well, let's get real.
That is his wife, right?
This is what's, I forgot his Savix.
I don't know Savix's first name.
I don't know if you guys's friends' names.
Us in the gamer community, we refer to each other with our gamer tags.
Yeah, but you're not like, hey, Brian.
Hey, Rob.
My gamer tag.
You're off the game.
Like, you're texting each other.
Did you text each other's gamer tag?
Yeah.
Like, this is Stay Safe.
Yep.
That's not Matt.
This is Stay Safe.
It's so much harder to write out when you're like, he says, Stay safe.
TV?
What?
Huh?
We don't text.
We only FaceTime every night.
We never text.
Wait, did we?
Let's pull it back up.
Scroll down, scroll down.
Let's see some more photos.
This is Savix.
He's, what does he play?
Is he kind of a, is he a rogue?
What is he normally?
Is he main?
Oh, he's normally a red paladin, but also a rogue player.
Okay.
All right, okay.
What a nice guy.
I love Savix.
He's like a good guy, you know?
He's a good guy.
Yes or no?
I'm gonna give them a yes.
Oh, okay.
No.
You don't?
Okay.
I'm gonna say yes.
Oh, okay.
Am I saying no?
Oh, wow.
Damn.
Tough crowd here.
Okay.
Savage is killing it.
Bring it back up.
The last one.
I can feel it already.
Oh, that's fine.
That's fine.
Oh, is this?
Oh, um, wait, oh, this is, I'm sorry.
This is that.
I don't know why you have that there.
I'm sorry.
Okay, we're not doing that because you're married and stuff.
Okay, never mind.
You have a nice family.
Oh, thank you.
Is he Korean?
Who?
Matt?
I'm not Korean.
He's definitely Korean.
Oh, the previous guy, Savage?
The guy who looked kind of creamed.
Yeah, I don't know.
Okay, we have yo, common people, thank you for the 50.
Is that British pounds?
Seems so hard to debate females.
You could say one plus two equals three, and someone will say, but maybe two was that sick that day.
Bad timing, sending this after that 1K soup chat written me.
Yo, common people, thank you very much for your soup chat.
Appreciate it, man.
TJ King, ladies, name each other's red flags.
Name each other's red flags.
So, well, you two are friends.
So, like, what's wrong with her?
And you tell me what's wrong with her.
Keep in mind, we've only been living together for about two days.
I met her yesterday.
I got it.
Okay, just rip it.
What's my red flag?
What's her red flag?
Just be brutally honest.
She's got something on her.
She's got something.
Just make something up.
Does she leave the toilet seat?
Protein powder?
Oh, yeah.
I weigh out my protein powder.
Instead of measuring, I have a little scale on it.
Because they come with little cups.
Well, like, sometimes the cups aren't like measure, right?
You know?
So, like, it could be like 35 grams or 33 grams in it.
I want to see how many.
Like, that's definitely a red flag.
How's that a red flag?
I accept all your red flags.
Oh, thank you.
Beautiful.
Name each other's red flag.
Maybe we should learn.
I think he meant like Alex Man.
Damn it.
I just said our red flags are like red flags about us.
Yeah, let's start with you and we'll move that way.
Go ahead.
My red flags?
Yeah, we'll start with you and then.
I don't have red flags.
I'm just kidding.
Stop the cow.
I know.
No, I'll be honest.
I think in my past relationships, well, red flag, like in the initial dating stage or when you're in a relationship, like things that people have said.
Just your own self-assessment.
I think I have a tendency to be a fixer.
And I've definitely had to work on that.
I had to realize that, you know, just because I see potential or I see like a good game plan doesn't mean that I need to like get everybody in line with that.
So I've worked on not fixing everybody that I encounter.
Is that a red flag, though?
Not for the other person, but for yeah, but it's like that's, I mean, probably a some wouldn't a partner view that as a good thing, kind of to fix her, I guess.
No, because they feel like it's like you're nagging and shit.
No, I've actually never been said that I've been a nag a nagger, but so how do you fix like if encouraging them to or trying to get them to do something that they don't want to do that betters them in my opinion?
Isn't that kind of nagging?
Isn't that naggy?
No, it's not in a naggy way.
It's like in a like, you should do this, but they don't want to do it.
It's not like Naggy.
It's just like maybe I'm like, I see sometimes like potential for them that they don't see.
So then they view it as maybe being like critical or something like that.
I don't know.
Okay.
Well, you guys already kind of went.
Here, how about you reveal what are your own red flags?
What's your red flag?
Oh, probably like the amount of caffeine I drink.
That's a red flag.
How much do you drink?
Do you think that?
I mean, okay, I had to cut back, but it used to be about a thousand milligrams a day.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, a lot.
I'm going to go to the bathroom.
Get this girl some power.
It's like 50 milligrams, it's going to totally replace all that other stuff.
Be careful.
But like, literally, I would, you know, wake up, I'd go to work, drink coffee, a little cup of coffee.
Then I'd have, do you know those like energy drinks?
You know, they're like 200 milligrams.
Celsius or like ghost ghost ones.
Those are my favorite.
I drink like two of those throughout work.
You know, go home.
I'm not sure if you're a home.
Go to the gym, double scoop my pre, you know?
And then, yeah.
How's this a red flag, though?
Well, like the heart problem.
Yeah, but like in the context of a relationship, like I'm not.
Well, I'm just very.
You're just a spaz.
Like when.
Well, not only that.
I just mean like that's probably bad for me.
That's the only red flag.
That's not like a red flag.
Like a red flag in the context of like a romantic relationship.
What would be considered a red flag then?
Like they slash your tires.
Have you slashed anybody's tires?
I kind of get that impression.
For me?
Is that because I'm Mexican?
Whoa, what the fuck?
Whoa.
Why would that be?
How did you get to that?
That's because I'm a woman.
No, I've never slashed anyone's tires.
Mexican women.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, be careful.
Latinas will get you.
But I don't know.
What's a red flag?
Here's mine.
When I'm irritated, I get kind of like dismissive and short, and I get kind of like, okay.
If I'm tired and hungry and irritated, I get cranky and I'm like, that's called hangry.
I get hangry.
I get very dismissive.
I guess I get hangry.
There you go.
I love food.
You love food?
That's your red flag?
No, I said it again.
Can you make that noise again?
What?
The noise you just made?
What noise?
It was like an eh.
It was like Peter Griffin.
No, I can't do it.
You called me out on it.
Or like a 1920s mobster.
Yeah, she, yeah.
You didn't hear that?
No.
Can we get a replay?
Can we get a replay?
Do you actually have replays?
No, unfortunately.
Bro, you got my hopes up.
We can see it after the show.
What about you?
I'd say for me, my red flag is that I schedule like everything in my life.
That's not a red flag.
I know, no, but like in my own relationship, like it's made me very like strict.
Wait, so hold on.
Yeah.
You schedule everything.
So it's like, okay.
Dates.
At 10.10 p.m.
Yeah.
Gonna be a little foreplay.
At 10.20, that's when there's penetration.
Is that like, is that the degree of planning that you do?
No.
And how is it a red flag?
Because.
Actually, I'd love that if a girl was like, okay, Brian, there's going to be 10 minutes of foreplay.
Like if we have a date, I'll plan like everything.
10-10, we're going to do 10 minutes of floor play, then we're going to do, I don't know if I would, that's a little too assertive, I think, but.
Yeah.
And then at 10.20, there's going to be insertion.
Do you want a dominant woman?
Do you want a dummy mommy?
Is what they say?
No, I don't want that.
Okay.
No, like riding crops, black.
Black leather.
Okay.
No, You can be honest if you're incredibly submissive.
You can just own up.
No, I'm not.
I'm not.
If you're just a submissive man, you can accept that.
We can talk about that.
I do like when like there can be like a little, I like when women do initiate.
Okay.
But I'm like dominant.
Okay.
I like submissive.
This is such an oxymoron.
I like submissive initiation.
Okay.
If that makes any fucking sense whatsoever.
No, I get that.
Okay.
Like, for example, you could be submissive.
Like, a girl could be submissive and be like, ask you permission to do something in a submissive way.
But the question is initiating.
Huh?
Her asking that question is initiating and that's what you want.
Sure.
Okay.
All right.
Anyway.
So, wait, what?
We were talking about your red flags, which apparently.
I was just going to say, I was going to elaborate more.
It's not a red flag, though.
No, but it means that when he's late or he's running late or he cancels on me, I get really butthurt.
I don't think that's wrong, though.
I think that's like perfectly reasonable.
Yeah.
I think it's reasonable.
That's like boundaries.
I totally agree.
Because I think it's rude to be late, to cancel plans, to be flaky.
I think a lot of people are way too comfortable, especially with cell phones now, to just like out of whim, either cancel plans or people like are very blasé about being late.
But I think it's incredibly rude.
Let's talk about dating, for example.
If someone's like 30 minutes late to a first date, I think that's a really bad first impression.
Super rude.
Even worse if they it's okay.
Like if someone's like 10 minutes late and they apologize, then it's no big deal.
But if like they're super late or they're somewhat late, but they don't like give you at least a token apology.
Yeah.
And they're like, I think that's a bad look.
Well, I think at 30 minutes, it's like deliberate at that point.
It's like you, I mean, you have to try if you don't wait longer than you.
They're trying to make a power play is what they're trying to do.
Power play.
That's at the beginning of the relationship because like now I'm like two years in, so it's like.
And you accept it.
No, I just try to be more understanding.
Well, I think they're like some people temperamentally are like less like, and I think it's also a cultural thing too.
Like in certain countries, it's kind of like a little bit, oh, if someone says show up at a certain time, I don't know if I think they've said this about like Italy and Spain.
It's kind of a little more like casual.
It's just like being late isn't a big deal.
But like in Germany or like, it's like really fucking rude to be late.
And at least me personally, I think it's really rude like to be late.
Because usually I'm like ready like 15 minutes before.
Well, you're watching from German, right?
Yeah, this pops in my head.
So if we're in the US, I say, hey, see you tomorrow.
Or I'll say, hey, see you later.
In the US, it's like, well, we might not ever see each other again.
In Germany, if you say, hey, see you later, they'll say, when?
When will we see each other?
Tomorrow?
At nine?
Yeah, it's definitely different.
It's much more literal.
Red flags for you?
I am an extremely picky eater.
So it's really hard to eat out with me.
It's hard to eat out with me.
Yeah, because I just, I want what I want.
And so.
And are you also indecisive where you want to eat?
Yes.
So you're super picky.
So a guy might be like, and you're indecisive too.
So a guy might say, okay, well, let's go get this.
And then you're like, no, no, no, I don't want that.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay.
The toe goes.
Yeah.
Okay, good times.
Good times.
What about you?
Red flag?
I would say I'm an overthinker, which also makes me indecisive as well.
Overthinker.
Okay.
So like the guy doesn't text you back after five minutes and you're like, he's definitely cheating on me type shit?
No, not necessarily.
I feel like I definitely used to be like that, but I think I've chilled out a little bit.
Okay.
Yeah.
What about you?
I think I can be like really stubborn to the point where I'm bratty.
And I also have kind of a crazy family.
Okay.
I get that.
How is your family crazy?
Well, My mom is like really into other cultures to the point where sometimes she like dresses like she like verges on transracial.
Also, she's just kind of like just because she's wearing different clothes or no, like sometimes she'll speak in an accent.
She kind of has to like bring in other cultures to every conversation, like the food she eats.
Also, she's just like generally in general a character.
My dad is also a character as well.
He wears like crazy tie-dye shirts and he lives in this like casino in Vegas.
He lives in a casino.
Yes, he's always got like a different business.
Well, I met him when I was 21, but ever since then, he's always got like a different business card for some weird project he's working on.
One time it was like a poker chip.
One time he was in like the UFO discovery business.
He had a holographic one.
It's kind of a lot, but I got a pretty interesting family.
I don't know if it's a red flag, but it's certainly worth noting.
So if we're dating, one day I meet your mom, she might be Jamaican.
The next day I meet her and she's like, it's, it's like she has like, she likes like Middle East stuff, and she's also gotten really into like, we're Jewish, so she's also gotten really, really into that culture over time.
But I mean, I try and, you know, understand her.
But my family is in Ohio, too, which might be another red flag.
I'm from Ohio.
Yeah, that's a red flag, Ohio.
Definitely a huge.
We don't need a huge red flag.
No one from Ohio.
Okay, last super chat.
Joe Hall, thank you for the $50 super chat.
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Okay, before we wrap up here, does anyone have any final thoughts before we wrap up?
Are you doing the after-show tonight?
I think not.
It's pretty late, huh?
It's pretty late.
Unless we could do like a 10-minute, we'll do 10-minute after-show and then wrap.
Final thoughts, anybody?
Speak now or forever, hold on.
Sure.
I just want to encourage everyone watching now and everyone who listens to this podcast and everyone on the podcast that you were just created for a purpose.
And when it comes to relationships and dating, I really want to encourage people to seek out love and fidelity and to not be afraid to sacrifice and to love wholeheartedly.
And I think you'll find that you're more fulfilled and happier when you do that.
So those are my final thoughts.
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And again, we are raising awareness about the crisis of Christian persecution.
Over 360 million Christians around the world are facing death, imprisonment, loss of their businesses, torture, and even death of their family members solely because of their faith.
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Anybody over here?
Final thought or hang on, nothing else.
I'll just say thank you to everyone for sharing their perspectives and equally hearing out mine.
Well, thank you very much for coming.
Thank you for letting us on here.
Yeah.
Oh, thank you guys for coming.
Yeah, thank you for everything.
Well, so I just have a question for you.
You requested to be on the show.
I feel like you came here.
Well, I'm not trying to paint you in a certain way.
But is there anything that I've said that you disagree with like in previous shows that you wanted to like debate me on?
Because I, you know, because you said you're a feminist, liberal, whatever.
And so I was curious if like you had any.
Yeah.
You were like, okay, I'm going to show this guy.
No, but I actually, I think, I haven't seen too many of the podcast episodes, actually.
I just found out about it two days ago from my ex.
Oh, your ex watches?
Yeah, he does watch.
Is that why you guys broke up?
You're like, how dare you watch this fucking...
No!
Terrible podcast.
Or so done.
I think there was a conversation.
I have no idea.
There was a conversation.
About the wage gap?
About the wage gap not being real?
Is that what you wanted to talk about?
It's not something I wanted to talk about, but it's something that I definitely remembered.
Okay, anything else?
So you don't believe the wage gap is real?
No, not really.
I think it's a myth.
It's been debunked.
Has it?
Yeah, it's been debunked.
It got thoroughly debunked by multiple anonymous sources.
Multiple people.
From inside the Pentagon.
Inside the Pentagon, the CIA.
Yeah.
The CIA.
It actually got rebunked and then it got debunked again.
So when they put out the $100.
Good stuff, Fial.
Wage gap is not real.
Oh, wow.
I don't know how quickly he typed that up, but that shit wasn't real.
If the wage gap is not real, then why did he make $100 and these women just made zero?
Wow.
Think about that.
That's crazy.
Actually, we're not getting paid statistics.
Since we're put out intentionally?
Sorry, say that again.
Like when they made those wage statistics that you said are debunked, since they're debunked, do you think they were put out intentionally wrong or it was like a mistake that made them not real?
Like what, like?
From what, I mean Brian, do you want to answer first?
The question is, is it misleading?
Like, so people believe that there's a wage gap based on these statistics, but you said it's debunked, right?
So do you think those statistics were intentionally put out wrong, or it was just somehow a mistake?
Well, I mean, the wage gap essentially is a very misleading number because the office, I mean, you hear different numbers, but you hear, for example, women make 79 cents on the dollar as compared to men.
Women make 83 cents on the dollar as compared to men.
However, that's not how you do any sort of statistical analysis.
So what the wage gap does is, you know, there's multivariate analysis of, it's a very, the economy is a very complex thing.
You cannot just simply, and this is what the wage gap is, it looks at all the money that women make in this country and you compare it to all the money that the men make in this country.
I think we can all agree that's a fairly oversimplified way to look at differences between the genders.
Do not come back to $100.
Aggregate wages don't compare same pay for same work and when you compare differences in wages for same work, it's usually less hours worked.
Yeah, so the wage gap that's often cited, again, let's say it's 79 cents to the dollar compared to men, that's taking all the money that women make, comparing it to all the money that men make.
You're not accounting for type of job, type of educational achievement that they've had when it comes to degree attainment.
You're not looking at hazard pay, which men typically are more likely to receive hazard pay.
It's not looking at, did I already say hours worked?
It's not looking at specific career fields.
It's not looking at seniority.
It's really not looking at anything besides really, really basic numbers.
So you think it was wrong because it was just done incorrectly?
There wasn't like some sort of reason for it being like that?
I think there was probably some agenda.
I think it's pushing some sort of.
Is it like some sort of like cat like.
I think it's pushing some sort of equity agenda versus some sort of equality.
Like opportunity of equality versus equity of outcome.
I think it's pushing some sort of agenda.
I'm not curious as to why it's such a commonly believed thing and like who put it out when you're saying it's like oh well I think it fits the narrative that that man men bad.
Like I was wondering if there was like yeah like more reason for it or it was just like done.
No, it's what Brian said.
Also men are more willing to work overnight shifts, which generally pay higher.
They're working to do overtime.
Also women generally, not all women, but a lot of women will take two or three years off of their career and they'll have a child and then maybe they'll get into a career.
So there just was like a lot of factors that weren't included in it was lacking a lot of nuance.
Okay.
Yeah, the question you need to ask yourself is not whether it exists.
And by the way, so there's no pay gap or wage gap.
There is an earnings gap.
But the question you need to ask yourself is not whether it exists, but why it exists.
And the answer is it's not sexism.
There's many reasons for earnings gap.
One of the big ones I forgot to mention, aside from hours worked and career field, you look at college, which actually the majority, we don't look at the gap in college where it's like 60% women who are going to college, getting degrees ever since 1979.
There's been more women who are going to college than men.
We don't really look at that anymore.
As soon as it's inequality when men are advantaged, but once women are advantaged in some paradigm, all of a sudden it's, well, now you've had equality even though it's not.
You're not looking, you're not taking into account when it comes to the earnings gap, women's own choices.
So women make certain choices that lend to the supposed wage gap or what is in actuality an earnings gap.
For example, if you look at the top 10 paying fields of study in university, men predominate in the top 10, I don't know if it's either the top five or top 10 majors, whereas women predominate in the lowest paying majors or disciplines in universities.
But it doesn't take into account different hours worked by men, different types of jobs, many other factors.
And I mean, we can talk about gaps, though.
There's all kinds of gaps.
We can talk about the more likely to die on the job gap.
93% of workplace fatalities are men.
So let's talk about gaps.
You can make the argument that should a job where you're likely to die at, should that pay more?
Well, it happens to be the case that there are more men in jobs where you're likely to die.
You're more likely to be injured.
For example, we could talk about the more likely to be electrocuted to death gap, the more likely to be crushed to death gap, the more likely to fall to their death gap, more likely to be injured on the job gap.
Well, this is all predominated by men, but we don't really talk about that.
So, you know, good times.
I kind of rambled there, but I don't know if you ever wanted to have a back and forth on the wage gap.
I feel like I need to do more research before I speak on the topic.
Okay.
Good times.
Good times.
I think that's a good opinion to have.
That's a good thing.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
Yeah, that's totally, totally fair to me.
What's that?
I said good night.
I'm young.
It's my bedside.
Yeah, we're going to wrap up here soon.
Okay, last question I had.
Let me just double check, make sure we're not missing any chats.
I don't want to screw anybody over here.
Oh, do we have?
Okay, we had a cup coming in.
Just, oh, really quick on this whole like kind of some of the feminist stuff.
Just show of hands.
Who here considers themselves to be a feminist?
Show of hands?
Raise them high if you are.
I've not taken a feminist studies class, so I don't really know that.
I mean, I will say yeah.
Haram!
What do you mean by feminists?
I feel like women advocating for women or like just like women's but not extreme.
Can you like feminists?
I'm curious to know what like your definition of a feminist is.
I've been thinking about feminists.
Because I feel like a lot of it has like extreme connotations, but I don't know if that's like actually.
Sure.
Well, okay, feminism is an ideology.
You probably shouldn't ask me what my definition of it is.
No, I just want to know like the definition.
Well, I mean, you can ask 10 feminists, then they would all give you different definitions.
Well, I just want to know like the official one.
Well, okay, the most sure.
If I'm being charitable, okay.
You can look it up on your computer, right?
Feminists purport that they fight for equality.
But I mean, that's really not true.
See, that's why I was reluctant because I feel like the definition of feminism to some isn't the same.
Yeah, no, I think it's a fair assessment, right?
So feminism 70 years ago meant something different than feminism means today.
I feel like now it has extreme connotations and like woe connotations, but like to some people it might not mean that.
Sure.
Sure.
Yeah, I mean, so just in the last two or three years, the word feminism has changed in some ways that we probably shouldn't get into in a podcast.
Is there a clear definition?
Oh, I'm sorry.
No, I mean, like, you know, feminism 70, 80 years ago was talking about giving women the right to vote and own property and get bank loans and things like this.
And now feminism these days has shifted from equality of opportunity to equality of outcome, which is not exactly super desirable.
It's sort of, it's not even possible, right?
for reasons we just talked about with Brian and the wage gap and uh feminism is starting to become yeah I feel like even the meaning of the word feminism can be like taken in many different ways Well, you're also seeing right now sort of a civil war within feminism itself, where you have feminists that are accepting of trans women and then feminists that are not.
These are called TERFs, right?
The radical trend.
Yeah.
And so there is sort of the feminist civil war.
So I don't know.
I feel like there's a war between the two genders and then there's a war within the genders themselves.
Yeah, well, men and women should have equal rights and equal protection under the law.
Men and women absolutely have equal dignity, but men and women are not the same.
And I think today's feminist movement and maybe even the beginning of or at some point the feminist movement transformed from advocating for equal rights and equal protection to now saying that not only are men and women supposedly the same, which they're not, that somehow men are bad.
And that's what I think a lot of the narrative is coming out of today's feminist movement.
Because I don't believe that.
I don't think men are bad.
Like I don't feel like against men.
If anything, I want to try and like understand them more and like coexist with men more.
But I do believe women should be treated equally with respect.
So if that makes sense.
Equal but not the same.
Men and women are different, but they should have equal rights, equal protection, and have equal dignity.
Word.
Okay, so you consider yourself to be a feminist, correct?
So since you have a sense of what that means, just really quick, what's your sense of what if being a feminist is?
Or what is feminism?
Gia, I feel like, worded it perfectly.
We actually had a conversation about this before we went in and I feel like she said it perfectly.
That men and women are different, but they're both necessary and should be respected with equal rights.
Absolutely.
Really?
Are you sure that's what you're doing?
Yeah, what did you think it was going to be?
Well, I mean, you know what, though, I think a lot of people will claim that's what it is, but I don't really think feminists really fight for equality.
Today.
Today.
Because we have equal rights under the law.
Yeah, and I mean, even historically, but to some degree.
But I don't think feminism is a true equality movement.
We have something called egalitarianism, which I think is a much more appropriate term for people who are seeking true equality.
I mean, feminism, in my estimation, is, in the most charitable sense, is women's advocacy.
There's nothing wrong with women's advocacy.
However, that's not the same as equality or someone who fights for equality because you wouldn't, for example, find feminists trying, if there was something where men were either discriminated against or where men had some sort of detriment in society, feminists are not fighting for men in any capacity.
And in fact, if equality were to come in some conceivable way at the detriment of women, feminists would fight against said equality to secure the preferential treatment of women.
So let's take, for example, the draft.
Right now, men are the exclusive, only men in the United States are subject to military conscription, forced military conscription.
Women are exempt.
You're never, like, feminists will fight tooth and nail to prevent women from also being subject to the draft, even though that would be equality.
Now, I don't think military conscription is a desirable thing, but let's be honest, we cannot, we're not going to be able to get rid of the draft for, I mean, there's geopolitical reasons why you cannot get rid of a draft, but yeah.
Ward?
Yeah, and so, yeah, so you don't see women advocating for, hey, we want to be a part of selective service.
That's not a talking point of modern feminists.
Right.
You don't see modern feminists pushing back against 64% of male infants getting circumcised.
No feminist is talking about that, right?
I've heard one talk about it.
Well, I think a really good example is in Florida, there was a bill that was proposed to, I think, default, it would be split custody in the case of if there was a divorce or the parents were having a custody dispute.
The bill was proposed to create equality, whereas both men and women could have guaranteed split custody and it would not just default to women.
And a bunch of women's organizations, feminist organizations, actually fought against that bill.
I don't know the specific details of the bill, but one of the biggest, I think now, NOW, which is a major feminist women's organization, they fought against the bill.
And I think the governor at the time, I forgot who it was, ended up vetoing the bill, so it didn't get passed.
So, I mean, feminists will fight against equality if said equality comes conceivably at the detriment of women in some way.
So I guess a lot of feminist organizations are against assumed shared custody of children.
And it's not, I think, I don't know what the breakdown is by the various states in this country, but I definitely know that typically women are going to be, if there's a custody dispute, more likely the family court system, there's a bias there.
The women are more likely to be awarded majority custody or full custody.
I don't know the exact details.
Not in California.
Well, perhaps that's one way California has a good one.
I'm not sure.
I'd have to look up the state-specific details when it comes to custody of children.
I have one question for you, though.
So, feminist, do you believe that women are oppressed?
Do you believe that?
Well, I believe that men have more privilege than women.
You believe men have more privilege than women?
Okay.
Yeah.
But so do you believe women?
Sorry.
I feel like.
Sorry, let me gather my thoughts.
I'm feeling very sleepy.
It's late.
Maybe we can have you back on.
Yeah, that would be great, actually.
So I could come back with more research.
Sure.
Yeah.
Like the press secretary.
Yeah.
Next time we'll all bring our laptops.
Ooh, I want one of those pointers and a little piece of paper.
PowerPoint.
Tell you what, we'll save it for next time.
How's that sound?
Okay.
What was the question again?
What?
I was just asking.
Well, we can save it for next time.
How's that sound?
Okay, but I want to prepare and research.
Oh, I was just asking, so I was like, well, you're a feminist.
Like, do you think that women are oppressed?
And why?
Huh?
Okay.
Yeah.
Sure.
What is male privilege, I guess, is part of the question.
Male privilege.
In what ways are men privileged?
Many ways.
I'm so sorry.
I'm really blanking out right now.
It's almost one in the morning.
Yes.
Really?
Yeah.
It's so late.
It's very late.
Okay, I think that's, let me just double check.
Okay, we're good.
Okay.
Before we wrap, any last thoughts before I wrap up?
Are you left-handed?
I am.
You both?
Are you left-handed?
I think she was asking me, I am.
Okay.
Why?
Is that there?
No, that's some big red flags right there.
What the fuck?
Isn't there like a scholarship for that?
12%.
We're the top 12%.
Dude, more white people get divorced than our left-handed people.
Really?
Wait, what?
Making up fake statistics, guys.
I mean, just getting it, just getting it.
Yeah, I think, honestly, we can talk about like, you know, racial privilege, gender privilege, but like handed privilege.
Honestly, I want reparations.
Scissors, I'm left-handed.
I should get reparations from all you right-handed people.
Who does that mean?
Who here is right-handed?
Me.
Me.
Show of hands.
Who's right-handed?
Is there any left-handed people here?
No.
What's up, bro?
It's us.
Okay, solidarity.
On-average left-handed people.
Are men more likely to be left-handed than women?
I don't think so.
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
H points IQ violence.
Fucking hell.
I don't think I've ever come to that place in my brain where I'm like, that might be true.
Yo, here's what.
Listen.
Is anyone here in favor of reparations?
No.
Okay.
We are left-handed.
You guys are right-handed.
I want you guys to get your purses right now and give us money for what you guys have inflicted upon us historically.
You want to see our list?
We are historically oppressed as left-handed people.
Have you seen fucking scissors?
Fuck that shit.
Fuck scissors, son.
Have you seen desks when you're a kid?
The desk, oh, the desk, the little thing, the little nub?
That's the desk nub?
It's on the right-handed side, son.
True.
Do you know how much I suffered?
Do you know how much I suffered?
What does that have to do with your left arm?
Your arm is like on the arm resty thing back here?
Bro, that's for like riding, son.
But ridiculous in school, Sam.
Oh, I guess people have longer arms.
You know, back in the day, the teachers used to beat it out of the kids.
If you were a kid and you were inclined to write with your left hand, they'd walk around with a rod and they'd smack your hands.
Yeah.
I'm just trying to feel this.
Listen.
Abuse.
I want all of you to go get your purses, and you need to pay us, me and Matt here, for the discrimination that we have faced throughout history throughout our lives.
Okay.
Millions of dollars.
I want 20 bucks from each of you.
I'm lucky if I have 20 bucks, my brothers.
Oh, that's why you're about, Brandon.
Okay.
Show.
Okay, cool.
We're going to wrap there.
I want to give a big, big thank you.
Should we do body count really quick?
We should do one more power gum.
Listen.
Oh, my God.
You should go by power gum.
I'm telling you, if you are sick of all these other trash energy supplements, power gum.
Look at it.
Let me open this up here.
It's a little sleeve.
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You are shameless.
You are shameless.
Do you guys want a power gum?
I want one.
Can I have one?
Yeah, please.
Slide it open.
Try some.
I need to have a best drive home.
There you go.
Can I please?
They're really good.
You're going to like them, okay?
Best energy ever.
Got them hooked.
What flavor is it?
Let's see, live review.
Six more addicts.
Chew through it.
Give it 30 seconds.
Get it chewing.
I'm like hugged up.
We got texture.
I'm telling you.
Wait, okay, while you guys are chewing, body count.
Body count.
Should body count.
I don't know.
I'm too fucking tired for this.
Anyone want to share their body count?
No one wants to share.
Next episode.
I'm a virgin.
Are you?
Yes.
Am I going to get into vanilla and will you be my first?
Just kidding.
Vanilla mint a little bit.
Yeah.
That's good.
I really like the flavor.
It's got nice flavor.
It's got caffeine and vitamins in it.
Okay, cool.
I'm off the power gum.
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Should we do an after-show?
Anyone want to stick around for the after-show or are you guys all 10-minute after-show?
That's fine.
I think.
Matt, do you want to run the after-show?
Well, sure.
Yeah, I need to go back to the curve.
Cool.
Okay, cool.
Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
Big thank you to the panel.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you guys for coming.
We went really fucking late.
I need to figure out how to end these shows sooner.
So thank you guys for your patience while we went super late here.
Any women who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
We will be live again Sunday.
Wait, stay Tuesday?
Actually, we might do a show with Adam22 from No Jumper.
He's been kind of, you know, in the news recently because of some things with his wife, letting his wife do a scene with another dude.
We might have him on on Friday.
Maybe the details are getting worked out.
So we might do an off-show, off-day show on Friday.
If not, we will be back Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
There is one super chat that just came in really quick.
I'll read it very fast.
Men Build Women Occupy from Francisco Sanchez Jr.
Okay, thank you for triggering the ladies on your way out.
Appreciate it.
Jeff the Truth Bringer.
Thank you for that.
Okay, cool.
Thanks again for tuning in, everyone.
Very much appreciated.
Sunday, 7 p.m. Pacific is our next show.
We'll see you next time, guys.
Hope you guys have a good night.
Cool.
Good night.
Good night.
Amazing.
Are we still live?
Oh, okay.
Well, what do we do?
Huh?
Can we leave?
some more discussions it's nice meeting you guys I know too.
Yeah, guys, yeah, yeah.
Like, how are we all gonna drive after that?
Oh, girl.
I'm so sleepy.
I thought that was a fucking real person.
How often do you do these shows?
Two, twice a week, something Tuesday, something Tuesday.
You like it?
I really like it.
I like it.
Because that's the flavor.
It's the shape.
It goes long.
It goes long.
It's four to five usually.
Sarah Meatball donated $100.
Yo, yum guy.
Do you manufacture or do you use a contract manufacturer?
Yeah, thank you.
The real Mr. Meatball.
Does anybody want to stick around for five minutes for the after show?
I know you two are dying to stick around for the after show.
That's when all the choice.
You basically just like take it for like 10 minutes after.
We're not like hard anyway.
We're just fucking chatting.
We're down.
I got it.
If any of you have to.
Well, you guys are old on this stuff, but these girls have to like drive.
You're awesome.
Yeah, thank you guys so much for coming.
Those of you who need to take off at home to sort of understand.
Matt?
Assume.
See you guys.
Thank you guys so much for coming.
Thank you guys.
See you guys.
Yeah, I got an hour.
Oh, okay.
Sit on next to me.
Okay.
Oh, I peed.
I'm feeling so good.
Hi, chat.
What costume?
Oh, it doesn't cost me a costume.
It's your favorite.
I'm not sure.
Tradcon simply simply called me.
It's your favorite TradCon simp.
Yo.
Wait, I'm going to trigger a TTS.
Yo, what's up?
Sit over there with Matt, Matty Boyd.
Are you lucky you gave me the caffeine gun?
Yeah, don't forget your CPU service.
I know.
Are you?
Anywhere you want.
What's your name again?
Case.
Case.
Hi.
Okay.
And you're just going to school in the area?
Okay, well.
I'm from San Diego.
San Diego.
What are you studying?
Psych and brain.
Psych and what?
Brain science?
Brain science.
Okay.
Okay.
What about you?
What are you up to?
I've been streaming full-time now for five years, is what I've been doing.
Oh, okay.
Streaming on Twitch every day.
Nice.
What do you usually stream?
Really?
What I like to do, it's a beautiful fusion of playing World of Warcraft and complaining about politics.
We talked a lot about some of these issues and stuff.
I think those raw conversations are so necessary.
Yeah.
Yeah, no doubt.
No, I think.
I guess namely, I'm kind of speaking to young men in the audience in this audience or my audience because I think a lot of people would acknowledge a sort of a young men's mental health epidemic.
No one really is giving a shit about young men.
I think every single young man.
This is the problem.
This is the reason why I hate young men, okay?
Or men in general.
I hate them.
Men are super eager to acknowledge, yeah, men's mental health.
It's fucked up.
No one gives a fuck about us.
No one's talking about it.
But the second you start proposing some sort of solution, it's like, okay, well, you need to be disciplined.
You need to stop smoking this or drinking this or jerking off to this or doing, then it's like, oh, well, no, no.
It's like, well, listen, if you're going to acknowledge there is some sort of issue, we have to actually get nitty-gritty and talk about ways to actually sort of rectify these issues.
So then you have guys like this angry Casper who gets mad about it.
Loser.
Angry Casper, loser.
L. L, Angry Casper.
Sorry, I'm berating your chat right now.
Okay.
Oh, by the way, we're going to lower.
Should I just fucking meme and lower the TTS to like 10 bucks or something?
Dude, set it to one.
Oh, this one came through while we were gone.
There Alan Meekborn donated $100.
Yo, gum guy.
Do you manufacture or do you use a contract manufacturer?
Let me see.
Do you manufacture?
Oh, no, I have a manufacturer I work with.
Yeah, a U.S.-based manufacturer.
Two years ago, well, two and a half, I was shopping around.
I'm looking at Chinese manufacturers.
I'm looking at Canadian, Mexican.
I settled on U.S. because I.
Well, really, I just wanted to make it in the U.S. If you make it in China, who knows if there's arsenic or rat poison in your gum.
For the guy that said I'm a misingrist, apologize.
Here's the thing.
With some of the takes I'm giving, I'm actually concerned that they're misogynistic, that they're actually anti-woman, because I tend to put more.
How can I put this?
Agency or emphasis on the decision of men, which I think, I think maybe if you're like brain dead, that it's like, yeah, you're hand-waving all of the female behavior, but it's like, really, I'm just kind of putting extra emphasis on the behavior of men, which is like maybe kind of misogynistic, maybe.
Am I a misogynist?
I come off as misogynistic to you.
You think?
You have yet to really show like major red flags?
Yeah.
Cool.
You're actually advocating sometimes for women?
Yeah.
So I was like, slay, but.
Well, I'm like, this is one of the problems with the whole red pill sphere.
It's like, it's super, super, every man is super eager to blame women for all their problems.
But then they have a 0% introspection and realizing that, okay, you know what?
I'm actually responsible for some of the ways that I am conducting myself, but also the way in which society is evolving.
Men kind of need to do that for.
Does anybody want like a kind of browning banana?
Anybody?
I'm all right.
Thank you.
Okay, I just thought I'd offer.
Thank you.
Lady and gentlemen.
What did I miss?
Oh, yeah, I'm gonna...
Okay, yeah, yeah, I got it.
I'm talking about why men suck, pretty much.
Okay.
So you guys, one of you goes to CC, one of you goes to UCSB.
And then it was love.
Was it love at first sight?
When you met each other?
I mean, she has no real red flag.
She's like, really the nicest person I've ever met.
So I'm like, kind of happy I met her.
Wait, but I like said your protein powder thing.
Someone actually read in the chat.
Someone said that's really actually a green flag.
It is a green flag.
I just had to say something.
Have to make sure it's precise.
My fault.
Hurrah.
okay we're gonna make tts uh we're gonna do tts 10 and up if any of you psychos want to fucking just that might be a mistake but you said it's a 10 you said $10.
Oh.
For TTS.
Let it rip.
What is TTS?
That's the text-to-speech when the robots are going to be able to do it.
Oh, so it's just going to talk over.
Oh, cool.
Yeah, by the way, I was disappointed in you because you did not hold like insane psycho status fucking icon.
Oh, I can still do that if you want.
Oh, here we go.
Brandon Meltz donated $10.
Oh, hey, my girl in blue came back for the after show.
Y'all gotta convince Brian to have me on the show.
Oh, shoot.
Should I come back and you join?
Brandon is so fucking paralyzed.
I'm also in purple, so we love a little colorblind.
Brandon, only 10?
When I first met you, it was 1,000.
Only 10, really?
Did you just meet him today?
Yeah, I met a day.
And he was dropping a thousand dollar donuts, and now he's dropped down to 10.
So I'm like, I don't know.
Only 10.
What do you guys think of the popcorn thing?
Is it kind of funny or is it kind of.
I don't know.
Wait, can you reiterate, though, the popcorn recipe?
Yeah, I don't really.
I didn't get it.
Well, like, there's a bunch of memes where it's like someone's eating popcorn.
It's kind of like, oh, this is an entertaining moment.
Oh.
You know?
Yeah.
Popcorn's good, though.
Oh, shit.
Is it at least like butter?
Yes, please.
Yes.
I was actually waiting for you six hours here.
We're kind of without your hands, like needy children.
Like a little homeless.
Wait, one second.
Carol Meatball donated $10.
I'm here to support Brandon on it.
Yo, meatball.
Thank you, man.
What's that stupid thing from?
Thank you, sir.
Can I have a catfish me?
No, it's a pippy longstockings or something.
Thank you, sir.
Can I have another?
I just want popcorn.
Okay, here, pull out your hands.
Go ahead.
Yes.
Wait, what?
Just pour me some popcorn.
The people like the popcorn, it seems like.
Okay, thank you.
Oh, okay.
The table's cleaning.
Okay.
You can eat off the table.
I'm okay.
We need to make corn illegal.
Why?
Because, because, because, because that's why.
Corn syrup is making everyone fat and dumb.
Oh, I totally.
We got to get rid of it.
No, not corn, corn syrup.
Corn equals fat people.
We got to get rid of it.
I just think there's a lot of chemicals in our food.
True.
Brandon Mels donated $10.
I got to save some money for all the gum I'm trying to buy.
Also, yes, we should meet for the first time a live on the whatever podcast.
Wait, can you screw your microphone a little that way?
Me?
Yeah, you just so.
Am I giving like ASMR?
No, just so it's not blocking.
The mic is kind of blocking your friend's face.
Brandon's a nice guy.
Actually, have you guys approved?
Trust or no.
Sean, how was the stream?
Don't donated $10.
Brian, food for thought.
As a vet, people should never talk about their disability.
Above 30%, the ex-spouse can take it in divorce.
Wait.
Brian, food for thought as a vet.
People should never talk about their disability above 30%.
The ex-oh, uh, word.
People should never talk.
I mean, like, what if you're in a wheelchair and you need someone to build you a wheelchair ramp or something?
Is he talking about me?
Because I complain about my neck and back all the time.
I don't know.
Oh.
What's wrong with your neck and back?
I got chronic neck and I have chronic neck and back pain.
Have you ever tried anything?
Like.
Have I, excuse me?
Have I ever tried anything?
Like chiropractors, any physical massage gun physical?
Chiropractors are quacks, to be honest.
You think they're quacks until they work?
I don't know.
I've heard some pretty paralyzed you.
Yeah, or they paralyze you.
I mean, at least you won't feel the neck pain anymore.
I suppose that's true.
That's one upside of paralysis.
Although, don't you just feel like, wait, question.
When you're paralyzed, is it like an absence of feeling, or do you feel like tingles where your body.
I think it depends on the extent.
I'm pretty sure you like.
I'm pretty sure if you're paralyzed, you still like feel your body, but like you don't have control over it and it's like painful and you feel tingles.
I know your body makes like phantom pains sometimes.
So it's like you almost forget that that limb's gone and like in your brain make up that there is pain there.
Can you show us um yeah like phantom limb syndrome ghost yeah um by the way Nick can you pull up the uh regular the uh pop-out chat for YouTube?
Yeah I think you need to wear a diaper if you're if you're paralyzed like that you probably I have no idea colostomy bag yeah one of those poor people that's rough here I want you guys to say please sir can I have another I'm not British and I'll give you more popcorn I'm gonna offend a lot of British people I should have brought popcorn
How come nobody believes that I'm wearing purple in the chat?
It's the lighting What does your shirt say by the way?
Oh okay it's blue it says well I was gonna okay keep in mind I was gonna wear black but donya donated ten dollars no it was mentioned earlier in a TTS but as disability we get some $150 per 10% and 3600 Motax free how it works is all convoluted so many stupid nuances that's gotta be rough that's gonna be really rough
Sorry to hear.
Uh, is he saying he's disabled?
Yeah, sorry to hear that man.
Um, what war?
Or maybe it might not have even been a war, but can you tell us the backstory?
Like how, what?
What happened man?
Sorry to hear that man.
Um wait oh, what was your shirt?
Say, oh sorry, i'm chewing.
Haram says give me a squeeze, and it has a lemon with a face on it, give me a squeeze.
She walked out of the room and was like, is this okay?
Keep in mind, i'm just moving in 20.
Oh, thank you, Manino, en Blanco es una Rosa.
Um, I don't speak Spanish, so what does that mean you?
I don't know the rest.
Oh, that is big.
Oh no, I lost any Spanish.
I know Dona donated ten dollars.
Marine Infantry Iraq.
That's what year was it like?
Uh, like the beginning?
Because we were in Iraq for a while, weren't we?
We were there for a while.
Was that Afghanistan?
I think we started with Iraq.
Well, we can't, we got out of Iraq, but then we were in Afghanistan yeah yeah, for a long time, 2003 to like 2000, and in the teens, I think we were in Iraq like a decade.
But what was the Spanish one about, did you guys?
What is that?
Okay, I understood most of it, until it said, um UNA ROSA, which LA Ninya, Jelly TIME, donated twenty dollars.
Una Rosa.
The girl in the white is a is a rose like a flower.
Wow, like a flower.
All right, spit some game guys wait okay.
Your shirt says what does it say?
Squeeze.
So see how the there's a lemon with a little face on it and it's super happy.
Well, she's saying, give me a squeeze because she's a lemon.
Oh, she's a lemon and she wants to be.
That's so.
It says, give me a squeeze, but is is there like an innuendo there?
Well, she's a lemon, you're supposed to squeeze them, but it's like on your chest, like is that an innuendo type of thing?
Like it's on your chest, technically above my chest, but like it could be.
I'm talking about miss Lemon.
Over here they always what you're saying is it's you're perverted or it's not perverted.
No, the lemon is.
Do you guys play World of Warcraft?
I've actually played it until today.
A lot of my cousins actually played it, but like I grew up watching them play it in like years, but I never played it because I wasn't allowed to play video.
She'll be back.
I'm not sure until I got older.
Okay.
Well, you said you played DD, right?
Yeah, I'm a novice at DD.
Keep in mind, I've only done two campaigns.
Two campaigns.
So I'm new to the DD world, so don't judge me.
Okay.
No judgment.
Good times.
I'm vibing with DD, though.
She's vibing.
I start a new campaign on the first Sunday of August.
Okay.
Interesting.
Yeah, Sophia will be back.
We'll have her back.
Interesting.
When I was 12 years old, I had a stepdad.
He was tall.
He used to play football back in college.
He was kind of like a jock type of guy.
Nice guy, but actually, I still like him.
Nice guy.
But we were at the bookstore, and I saw a DD starter kit.
I was there with him, just the two of us.
And I said, hey, can I buy this DD starter kit?
And he looked at me and he went, just like Stone Cold Face.
DD?
He said, no.
DD is for fucking losers, is what he said.
Just stone cold.
And he moved on.
Good times.
And it's because, like, you know, when he was like a football kind of jock guy back in the 80s when Brian is hard for Chadliffe donated $10.
The popcorn is enjoyable.
Keep it up.
Thank you, man.
Also, I hope your neck is feeling better.
Has there been any progress?
It's in some ways, yes, in other ways, in other ways, no.
Still got some neck pain, some brain fog, some headache issues.
Sometimes it fluctuates.
It's been actually, my back's been bugging me more recently.
Probably sitting too much.
Okay.
Thank you, though, man.
Jason Watala.
Matt, can you read this one?
Brian, my wife and I are actively trying to recruit a mini me.
Oh, my God.
I've seen a few, but none with the dark beard yet.
We'll keep looking.
Dude, I almost got canceled last show, guys.
For what?
So, I don't know if you guys heard.
Incest talk wasn't enough.
No.
We'll talk about that another time.
But have you guys seen the Austin Powers?
Yes, I love Austin Powers.
Do you know Mini Me?
Yes.
Do you know Mini-Me?
His little, like...
Yeah.
So, I was doing a Dr. Evil impression last show.
Okay.
No, it's my audience says it was pretty good.
Okay.
Here's the thing, though.
My chat was like, Brian, you need a mini me.
And I said, oh, I actually do know a dwarf.
I do know a little person.
And then I said, but here's the problem.
Oh, my God.
I can't repeat it.
But okay, here's the thing.
Canceled times, dude.
He's a dwarf, but he's not white.
And I said, here's the problem, though.
He's ex.
Not because I'm open to all different types of people, you know what I'm saying?
But I kind of got clipped because I said, here's the problem, though.
He's a blank group of people.
Not because that's a problem.
That's a lot of context, but you can't have a mini me that's not like bigger than me.
Mine me white out though.
That would have been funny.
That would have been 10 times funnier.
You should have.
You know what?
That's a good point.
Yeah.
You could be like, look, it's mini-me.
And if anyone points out, that's on them.
You know what?
I want to get Vern Troyer's ex-girlfriend on the show.
Because she did like some ex- Okay, never mind.
What'd she do?
Let's not talk about that.
Okay.
Angry Casper.
Thank you for the New Zealand 20.
Do you want to get this one then?
Prove me wrong.
Wow guy.
Who is Karen Strohan and who is Nora Vincent?
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
Karen Strawn's like a male advocate.
She's a woman, male advocate.
Nora Vincent is a woman who transgender.
I don't think she transitioned, but she like dressed up like a man.
So she wasn't transgender, but wanted to live as a man as some sort of experiment.
And then she did that, and then she found out it kind of sucked to be a man, and she actually ended up deleting herself.
Oh, really?
Because I guess people, I don't know what the true story is, but maybe because of queer.
Thank you.
What's Brain SCI's ethnic background?
Your Austin powers sound like Donald Trump.
Wait, SCIs?
What's brain SEIs?
I think that's it.
What's brain SCIs?
No.
Oh, Brain Sci.
Who does Brain Sci for your major?
Are you?
What's your background?
I'm half Filipino, half white.
Really?
Yes.
I speak Spanish.
Do you speak?
Oh, I was going to ask if you speak Tagalog.
Oh, no.
Tagalog or whatever.
Did you speak Spanish and we couldn't decode that earlier?
No, I didn't see it.
Ryan is hard for Chantcliffe donated $10.
Your impression of Doctor Evil is much better this week.
You sound a lot less like Trump than you did last time or two.
Have you been working on it?
You know, I've been practicing a little bit.
I really hope Brandon Mels comes in and drops one million.
Oh, fuck.
I'm so cringe.
Okay.
One million dollars.
Oh, that was so bad.
That was so fucking good.
You're going to make sure you're infiltrating.
Yeah.
One million.
We're going to.
We'll watch Australia.
There's multiple of them.
Zip it.
Zip it.
Okay.
Is it like, I don't know, is it like a thing to have you ever watched like?
My boyfriend always trumped.
Have you ever watched a live action?
Zip it good.
Okay, Kate Robinson.
Y'all should come eat at the restaurant I work at.
Are you in Santa Barbara, Kate?
Is it Denny's?
Because there's not a lot of stuff that's open in Santa Barbara.
This restaurant is hiring.
Can someone help me?
Like, give me a recommendation.
Are you looking for a job?
Yeah, I just moved here two days ago.
You'll get a job.
I know.
There's so much research.
Chat, is there anything, any jobs at whatever enterprises that we can give her?
I heard Maddie.
Is there any jobs for her?
Dude, I already know how to make coffee.
Oh, never mind.
The dude guy person should do a section of the show where the girls are trying to show guys on how to have Riz.
Yo, yeah, so I actually been meaning to do this, and I've been trying to let it come up organically.
Like if a girl's like, oh, it's pretty easy for like to get laid.
We'll have Maddie pretend to be the chick, and then we'll have the girls try to pick up Maddie pretending to be a guy.
I've been meaning to do it the past two shows, but it hasn't come up organically.
But I will make an effort, like as an actual dedicated segment, to do it.
So, yeah.
Who are you voting for in this election?
Let's get deep in the politics.
Oh, my God.
I don't know.
Let's have a six-hour political talk.
Wait, where did that come from?
Nowhere.
I'm just in the mood.
My boyfriend's a poli-sci major.
Oh.
Political science.
So he likes having these talks.
Okay.
Good times.
Good times.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't.
I'm not who I'm voting for.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not like a big politician.
Oh.
J-Man 973 donated $10.
Love the pod Brixon.
What Botox girl forgot to mention that when men take pets, they still have to work hard for their desired physique versus women getting instant results with cosmetic surgery.
That's actually a really good point.
I don't think the plastic surgery comparison to taking steroids is an apt one because she was saying, well, yeah, men do take steroids, but women like undergo plastic surgery.
I mean, even if you take steroids, you still have to work incredibly hard to build a physique and be disciplined with your working out and diet.
You are like to some degree cheating.
I don't know if it's considered cheating, but like you're not, it's not natural, but uh, whereas plastic surgery, like you can go in in a day, boom, here's like a fake butt, here's fake tits, here's lipo.
So it's not, I don't think it's an approach, it's not like a really compelling argument or comparison.
Uh, so thank you, man.
We have uh Kate Robinson.
It's NorCal.
Ooh, Grip, San Francisco.
Aren't you guys from NorCal?
I'm from NorCal.
That's why I was like, where is Brandon?
I'm so sorry to hear that.
Because I'm from the Sacramento area.
Where are you from?
Yeah, where are you from?
Well, I was born in France, and then I'm in the space of the year.
No way?
Yeah, France.
We we.
Do you speak French?
King Louie We, it was kind of.
Do you speak French?
Because we can have a conversation.
I've never been to France.
I don't speak it.
I don't speak it fluently, but I understand it fairly well, and I'd say I'm conversational.
What age did you move here?
When I was five.
Oh, okay.
So English is my second language.
Yep.
But yeah.
Dupas Francais?
Dupas Francais?
Dude, I barely speak English.
Do you speak Spanish?
Nope.
Oh, yeah.
Just English.
Okay.
Just English.
I know.
I was a Deutsche.
I've lost Lufthansa, Luftwaffe.
What?
Is that?
No, it's German.
I have a poorly pronounced German.
I have to learn German now because my wife is German and half our family is living in Germany.
Were you guys trying to match?
we met playing world of warcraft well so oh wait that's kind of goals Oh, I meant like your clothing.
Oh, my God.
No!
No, we met playing World of Warcraft.
Oh, never mind.
Well, he wore this last time.
I wore this last time.
I think.
Actually, I don't know if I had the different red one.
In any case, you know, I was looking at my various collection of flannels that I have.
And I wanted to, I picked the red because I was like, we're the only two men at this table.
We need to be a unified front.
And which better way to do that than to look, to dress similarly-ish.
Yeah, you forgot the hat.
I got a fucking hat.
And the ball is fucked.
I got you, girl.
Boom.
Fedora.
Check that shit out.
Boom.
Now you need to use the English accent.
Here's a serious question.
Would you date a dude who wore a fedora or something?
I'm going to get to $10.
Pretty sure we went to school together.
Who, me?
There's no.
Who?
No, cause you live in Rancho.
I live like...
Where'd you go to school?
Wait, I'm from a small town, so it's like I doubt he wants to school.
If you did, I'm so sorry if you went to school with me.
I don't want to disclose the town I'm from because it's kind of small.
Okay, I got here.
Can you wear this fedora, please?
Just know it's close to like Roseville.
Put the fedora on.
Actually, that's a good look.
I like it.
You look like a DD player.
I look like Lemony Sniggy or something.
Oh, my God.
So I don't actually play World of Warcraft.
Back when Classic came out, Zipit.
Sorry.
Zip It Good.
Okay.
When Classic came out, I played for about eight months, nine months.
I quit in April of 2020.
So it was right before AQ came out.
It was after the Emerald Dragons.
Or is it the Nightmare Dragons?
I don't know if I want to disclose my server out of it.
I'll tell you after.
And so I quit right before AQ, like right, like two weeks after ZG and the Nightmare Dragons or whatever came out.
So I played Rogue, Main, Warrior Alt, and then I had like a Mage in the Warlock.
So thank you, man.
We have Cappadocia here.
Wait, actually, can you take the hat off?
No.
It actually, like, it kind of, I mean, it's a nerdy hat, but it actually kind of fits you.
You know, like, chat, do you agree?
I have a big head, though.
So, hats, I wear a lot of beanies.
I don't really wear hats.
God isn't real.
You have to be a fucking moron to believe in God.
I've got my Reddit source here for you.
Okay.
Yeah, the caffeine.
Can we, just because your hair's been pulled back this entire show, could you do, like, have you ever seen those movie scenes or like TV scenes where like it's in slow-mo and it's like focused on the girl and she like takes out her hair and just like?
So here's the issue with that.
So because we're at the beach, like I put my hair back, it's gelled.
So if I take it out, it's just gonna be like gel and then the bottom part, so it's gonna look kind of funny.
If I take it out, it's not gonna be like a satisfying flow, it's gonna be like crinkle, crinkle.
That could be actually very funny.
Can you do it anyways?
How much money were you gave me?
I just gave you, bro.
Did you see all that popcorn I gave you girl?
What's up?
Look at the mess you guys made.
You guys are very messy.
Give me a hundred bucks and I'll do it, bro.
A hundred, you're a negotiator, I know dude, good for you, because I don't want to have to put it back up.
You're about to go to the home and shower and sleep, yeah.
But then I saw the like look like a lion on the internet and that's out there forever.
Just, I want to look like a lion.
You have any memes I could be made with a lion?
Fail.
Uh, D And D is a game for creative thinkers and it upsets those who are not, as it requires finding creative solutions to extremely unusual problems.
Have Lemon Squeezy, run the whatever Twitch Dnd game.
Oh okay, we are gonna have Madison start streaming on Twitch so maybe we can get you roped in.
Oh for D And D. Dude, I'll play.
Do A Madison like stream.
Thank you, Cap Docia, for the, for the recommendation.
What was the last thing?
Okay, let's talk about World Of Warcraft for like three minutes and then let's wrap up okay dude, okay.
So the hardcore announcement came up and I want you guys to be very, very interested in what we're about to say.
Very, paint the official.
My donated fifteen dollars and thirteen cents.
Thank you man.
Hey, Brian Matt and the girls, great show tonight and fantastic debates.
I also dmd you to franchise at whatever in Canada, Vancouver.
Come here and let's get everything set up and start printing cash.
Bro, good night and thanks for all your guys participation.
Uh yo may, may you're.
Thank you man.
I yeah, i've been sitting on like a bunch of i'm backlogged on dms.
Uh, like I, I get like a hundred plus dms a week.
Um, super backlogged uh i'm I, I saved uh, some of the more like actual ones that I want to respond to I haven't gotten to yet.
But um yeah, the whole franchise thing, it is something that's kind of on the back burner.
Um, I mean obvious and obviously, like I, I don't know if I was super uh, super direct with it, but if I was gonna like franchise Whatever and set up fight club status in different locations.
It's like six figure.
It'd be a mid-six-year-old investment from the person.
On a real note, grid pod tonight.
Brian, you deserve all of the support you've gotten tonight.
You put in a lot and it doesn't go unnoticed.
Thank you, man.
Thank you.
Much love.
It's been fun shooting the shit with Jarl.
Yo, Brandon, first off, man, thank you so much for your insane fucking support tonight.
It was overwhelming.
Thank you so much, dude.
Means the world.
The podcast, it's been, I don't know if we kind of got shadow banned, but like the viewership's been a little bit lower.
Brian is hard for Chatcliffe donated $10.
Some of the panel reminded me of Leela and her ally, Catherine, debating destiny.
They interrupted and distracted way more than making any real points.
I'm conservative and pro-life, but I felt like they failed to be good representatives.
TA checks for what you do.
Yeah, tonight's panel was a little frustrating.
I mean, I think she was a little bit bad faith with a couple of her arguments.
No hard feelings.
I definitely got a little heated there in a couple moments, but it was just like, maybe I could have done a better job articulating my points and made stronger arguments, but it was just like, and maybe I take maybe a little responsibility.
I should have had better arguments prepared because to me, some of this shit is just like self-like it seems self-evident, but like to other people, you actually have to lay out like really compelling arguments.
And maybe I failed in doing that.
So yeah, but just bringing it back to Brandon, I forgot what I was saying, but I think I was just saying, thank you so much for your support and patronage.
And yeah, it's been, I don't know, I think, I don't think we got shadow banned.
I just think like the fucking, I did the thing with Destiny and then I did an emergency meeting and then we had a scuffed show where the chicks like showed up and sabotaged.
And so we didn't put on a show.
And it's like, you really, and I took a break.
So I think like you really need to have, if it wasn't for my fucking back and neck stuff, guys, I'm telling you, I would be doing three fucking shows a week, no breaks, non-stop.
But like I needed some time to recuperate because of my chronic pain issues.
So have you considered becoming an opiate addict to help manage your pain?
You know what?
I actually did contemplate like, hmm, like, do I, on the show days, do I consider taking like something to like help me get through it so I can be more consistent and I can like stay in the game longer?
I've thought about it, but I'm kind of one of these guys that like really toughs shit out.
Like, I won't, like, I probably should take painkillers.
Not like that's how bad my pain is, but like, I'm just like, I don't even like to take Tylenol or ibuprofen.
So in any case, but what do you mean?
Well, I mean, there's like, okay, so you with painkillers, like, they're very addictive.
And if you get addicted, then you can get getting off of them is super hard, and withdrawals are insane.
So I'm like, I've always been a guy that's kind of like not huge on taking medicine.
I like, I'll try to avoid even taking Tylenol and ibuprofen.
Like, I don't like taking pills, taking medicine.
I don't even like drinking alcohol, really.
cheers brandon um but uh by the way we have i'm i actually was kind of tipsy after drinking like a little bit of champagne so So good times.
Good times.
Okay, World of Warcraft, then let's get out of here.
Okay, so hardcore came out.
Here, do you want a hat while we talk about this?
Me or you?
Either one of you.
I don't know.
I think you look good.
The honors.
Okay, there's a couple things I want to talk about.
Um, petri flasks, what the you're a?
You're Anti-petri?
Yeah, like I I, it's just like I.
I don't think it's good.
Yeah, they're.
They're lame.
Where, where do you stand?
On the petri thing?
I hate them I i'm, I hate them.
They're lame.
Petri flasks, yeah though, if you're, if you're in molten core and you suck, then you should die.
I, I would be more in favor of bubble hearth than petri.
Just get, get rid of both of them, get them both out right, we don't like bubble hearthing right, bubble hearthing is lame.
Petri flask is lame.
We don't like.
Yeah, I don't think the trailb is.
I don't think it's a good look.
Just being honest, just put it over there.
That's messed up.
I don't think it's a good look on anybody.
To be honest actually, you can wear it.
Yeah, you look at it.
You can burn it if you want.
Oh oh, I don't.
I don't look good in hats.
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Excuse the interruption, boss 07.
To stay safe, can I ask what?
Oh seven archer, I do oh oh seven, like it's a oh and a seven, so think of it as a face, and then the hand, so it's doing a salute.
Oh seven's in the chat, guys.
Oh seven's in you'll, you'll see it.
Oh seven in the chat.
Yeah, okay now Archer, I have one, I see it okay.
Girl in white's fine.
Oh shit, Lonnie's hitting you up.
She has a boyfriend, though.
Sorry, their Meatball donated ten dollars.
Wow was my shit when it first came out when I was 12.
What is a petri flask?
And are there pvp servers so rogues can just gank and destroy you?
Uh, not for so, not for hardcore petri flask.
Uh, that's like a.
It's uh basically makes you immune to like any damage.
For what?
60 seconds yep, and you can just.
The thing with the petri flask is you can just like there's no cooldown on them right, so you can.
There's a, there's a what's, there's a term for this?
But you, you can like leave your dungeon group and then there's something called what's?
It called the port.
We call it Ghetto Hearth Ghetto Ghetto, Hearth.
So after a few seconds, once you leave your group, there's a countdown and you can herd or it'll send you back.
So it's basically like a.
Uh, what is it funny that we're i'm sorry this guy was in chat spamming that.
I'm a liberal.
I don't know why it's so funny like seven times in a row.
Okay anyway, i'm sorry, Petri Hearth yeah, Loctar Ogar Yo Retendo.
Thank you for the uh super chat there.
Um oh, we had this one.
Uh, new Master Australian, can you read this one that?
Uh yeah, it says here i'm a quadriplegic, incomplete.
I feel my entire body, touch only, but I can't feel hot or cold and pain.
It's kind of a superpower in a way.
So quadriplegic, so incomplete is like i'm not.
I'm not up to speed with all the, all the paralyzed terminology.
Okay, I feel mine type on you.
Okay interesting uh-huh anyway, it's got to be so.
Do you want to read this one so rough I can read, yeah, go ahead.
Says you're balding Because of the hats, they rub hair off.
How do you feel?
Actually, I'm wearing a hat too.
I feel targeted.
Ritendo, Loctar, Ogar.
Thank you for the super chat.
Appreciate it, man.
Okay.
Petri, non-favor, the ears thing.
Are they going to boost it to 19?
It's 19.
19, yeah.
Okay.
I think that's better, but I think they should like 60.
Yeah, why not?
But I mean, you could say, like, if someone engaged, like, two 59s dueled, that should, I think that should earn an ear.
You know what I've seen that's cool is some streamers, I saw Guzu is doing this in Savix.
It's every time they level, they do a macaw.
Level one, level two, level three, they dueled with death.
I saw that.
That's actually a really cool idea.
That's pretty cool.
I want to steal that idea.
That's a really cool idea.
You should do it.
You should do it.
Yoink.
Yo, do you think Peyo kind of got like scuffed in that?
Did you see the duels?
Bro, we can't talk about that.
No, no, no.
I know, I know.
We're not allowed to.
We can't even talk about that.
I can't talk about it.
What do you, okay?
Listen, you ladies, did Peyo get robbed in the duel tournament?
Just yes or no?
Yes.
I'm going to say no.
Yes, no.
There you have it.
There is the conclusive answer, okay?
What tournament?
There you go.
No, that's all.
That's all we needed to hear.
Okay.
That's all we needed to hear.
Actually, I'm not a fan of the hat on you either.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't think hats, this hat in general is just good on anyone.
But he had that like level 58 pet or whatever.
That was bad.
It threw him out the side.
You're trying so hard.
Listen, this is big drama.
This is hot drama right now.
Yeah, listen, I got to be a good boy.
Wait, was the drama related to the duel tournament?
Yeah, it was.
It was.
Kind of.
Did you compete in it?
No, I didn't.
No, I didn't.
Oh, I didn't know it was related to the duel tournament.
It's all kind of loosely related.
Okay, I thought it was fair game.
In any case, so we'll move off from that.
But okay.
I'm a big guy.
The other thing with what was the other thing with hardcore?
Trading.
Oh, yeah.
So like a level.
You know what?
I don't know if it's that bad.
I love it.
I love it.
A level 60, right?
Could then trade to like a level one.
Like you've seen that Asimus video where it's like, okay, here's a bunch of potions.
Here's some enchanted gear.
Here's like a fucking dagger with fiery or whatever.
Giving like basically fucking decking out like a level one.
I love that.
You're in favor of that.
Yeah, I mean, like, if I, if I farm all that stuff on my main hardcore character, I give it to my level one.
Who cares?
So I think it would be okay if it's like your alt.
You leveled to 60 legit.
Yeah.
And then you just want to level an alt.
And I get that, but I think like, what about someone who's got friends on a server and they come in, they've never leveled hardcore, and then their friend just gives them all this stuff.
They're not really getting.
You know what?
I love that even more.
And the reason why is because you're a streamer.
No, the reason why is if you're a fresh level one, you've never done hardcore before, someone, your friend, or maybe you buy gold, whatever it is.
You suck.
You're going to die.
Like, 99% of people die on hardcore, and most people never even make it to 60.
That's not true.
We call it a gold sink.
Like, they are removing that gold from the game, from circulation.
That's an economic plus, in my opinion.
So if noobs are buying gold or getting handouts and they die, then cool.
Oh, yeah, because, okay, yeah, if you do die with that gear, it's all gone.
That is a good point.
The gold value is totally gone.
That is a good point.
Although, couldn't you say, for example, like, don't you think a lot of people, when it comes to the gold, what they'll do is, like, instead of like keeping the gold on their rating character or like their leveling character, they'll mail it.
We'll talk about that in a minute.
What's the most attractive and unattractive class?
Let's get to that here in a second.
I think most of the time people buy gold because they want to spend it on something that's on their character.
They want to buy a Lionheart helmet.
They want to buy a mount.
They want to buy whatever, right?
Summon chance.
You could have a case where I'm going to buy a thousand gold.
I'm going to then spend the thousand gold on a bunch of flasks and put them on my bank alt.
Wait, just let me interrupt you really quick.
Girls, I want you looking at us and just like nodding your head.
Like, we totally understand what you guys are saying.
No, I'm just facing that because it's so interesting.
I'm loving it.
Yeah.
Pot of gold.
That's all I've gotten.
Yeah.
Bubble hear thing.
Pot of gold.
I'm still keeping the direct eye contact on your face.
Beautiful.
I'm sorry that Damina cut you off there.
So go ahead.
No, I think most people, most of the ways that you spend gold in World Warcraft are ways that are directly tied to your character.
You could conceivably have someone that buys gold and then buys a bunch of consumes and then puts those on a level one bank alt.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm willing to take that L for all the benefits and pros that come with the economy.
Sure.
But like, okay, for example, let's say you're first time leveling up on the hardcore realm and you're level 30.
The mount is coming up at level 40.
I think a smart player, what they would do is $777 donated $10.
Wow, related question here.
How big is your banana compared to the brown banana on the table?
07 in the chat.
How much does someone have to super chat right now for one of you guys to just fucking toss that banana?
Toss it?
Toss that banana?
Toss it where?
I don't know.
I don't know what I'm saying.
Okay.
Level 30, they're gathering gold for their mount.
Instead of just as you would normally level, you would just hold that gold on your account.
I could conceivably see someone, every time they get two, three gold, okay, let me just send that gold to an alt in case I die.
And so.
That probably will happen to some degree.
Also, if you're max level, okay, I'm level 60.
Before I go do hardcore Molten Core or Upper Block Rock Spire, all of my liquidity I'm going to send over to my level one bank alt.
That's going to be the meta.
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
I mean, if there's no limitations on creating a bank alt, because I mean, typically what you would do, I mean, people have bank alts in non-hardcore, but like it would just be much more, you know, you have, I mean, I remember when I was on my rogue, like I would keep a bunch of like rating potions in my bag.
So, you know, if I had, if I had any flasks, if I had any mongoose elixir, I think it was called for the, if I had the Winterfall Firewater.
I'd keep it on my rogue in the bank or even in my bag sometimes.
Now, I think people are going to be like really probably lean more towards very protect risk averse.
They'll have a bunch of bank alts.
They're going to have no gold on their main unless they'll transfer if they need to do any sort of transaction, but they'll have no almost bare bones, no resources on any character that could die.
Everything's going to get siphoned to their bank alts.
I think that's a really hard problem to combat.
In fact, I think it's so impossibly hard to combat.
I just go the other direction.
I just wish they would add sort of like an account-wide bank so you don't even have to juggle alts.
Just whatever character you're on, you put it in the account wide bank and it's all good.
Okay.
That's what I would like.
Because that's like Pat, that's Pack of Exile.
That's what Tarkov does.
That's what Dark and Darker does.
That's any bank with shared stash.
What do you think, ladies, about that?
Yep.
Yeah, it's going to protect your assets.
Wow.
These are TGA.
Motion closure, Chad, World of Warcraft gamers.
Top tier World of Warcraft gamers.
Literally.
What do you think?
What's that?
I might be leveled 60.
Yeah.
We're undercover.
We're actually undercover.
I love you, Smillman.
I love you, bro.
What do you think about, are you in favor of just everything being available upon release?
Although, like, there's no phases.
I think for 99% of people, that's going to be really good.
For 1%.
I think it's good.
For 1% of people, it's going to be an absolute degenerate Race to World First.
Yes.
For your super sweaty players, that's fucking sickening.
I need to stop swearing.
Sorry.
But for most people, I think it's good.
I think it keeps the server kind of fresh.
It keeps it evergreen.
A lot of people are like, oh, is it too late to join?
Is it too late to start playing the game?
Well, this answers the question.
No, it's never too late to join.
You know what I think is really good is the removal of the buff cap and debuff limit.
Yeah, it's really good.
I think they should do that on Era, too.
Yeah.
The thing is, it doesn't really change the meta a whole lot, but it does make certain classes a tiny.
The classes that it does impact kind of suck anyway.
So it doesn't matter a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Resto Druid, maybe.
Shadow Priest.
Yeah.
Well, also, I mean, that's certainly for the debuff limit, but I think what was really annoying was like, if you were min-maxing, like getting all the world buffs, like you did have to be careful because some of your buffs could be bumped off.
Yeah.
Like if you were like, and wasn't there something like certain enchants counted towards that was a bug that was there for a while.
Yeah.
Did they get rid of that?
They fixed that like halfway through classic.
Yeah.
Because I mean, I think that's how it was in the original design, but that's, to me, that absolutely should not count.
That was a totally unintentional bug that people figured it out halfway through classic and they were like, yo, what's going on here, Blizzard?
Yeah.
But there was a website.
I think in vanilla, in classic vanilla, you could have 32 buffs total.
You had a buff cap.
I think it was 32.
And there was a website where you could plug them all in and count them up and it would say, okay, you've got 31.
You have room for one more.
And it was kind of fun to plan that out and plug in every single button.
Because you're doing your speedrun.
I've got all my world buffs.
I've got my, okay, what if I pop a potion?
What if?
What if this happens?
As a warlock, what if I pop Hellfire?
When I'm Hellfiring, that's a buff that I get.
What if I, okay, so you have to plan all this out?
And that was kind of fun in a very special way, in a very special way.
But it's probably for the best that they're changing that.
Yeah.
I mean, and the other thing with that is there's also an add-on that was like a buff cap tracker or something, if I recall.
There was like a weak aura that did it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I don't exactly remember if this was an add-on or weak aura, but and I know Warriors would like, because Warriors have like a lot of like there's there's like Blood Rage, or I forgot about the other ones that are but Warriors were very much at risk of having their buffs pushed off.
Yeah, so definitely feel the same way.
And like they'd be they'd be screaming at Resto Druids, like, don't, don't use Rejuve or something like that.
It could like bump off your Darkmoon Fair buff or something, right?
It could be catastrophic.
If you lose your Dark Moon Fair 10% damage buff, your parse is over.
The speedrun is over.
Done.
It's done.
The weak CNX Circus.
CNX Circus.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
I would be mad.
Absurd.
Kiss your 99 parse goodbye.
Fucking gone.
It's 99.
99.
Wow.
Yeah, and then like, you know, you get a warlock in your group.
They got their imp out, and then you're like the fucking wolf.
What does it take to become a warlock?
Yeah.
Well, this is the guy that.
Oh, are you a warlock?
It sounds like okay to tie it.
D D I play as a druid.
Nick, can you pull up?
Can you pull up his Instagram really quick?
We're going to find the warlock photo.
Okay, I want to try rogues.
While he's finding that, what's the most attractive?
Their almondball donated $10.
What's the most attractive and unattractive class?
Class?
You take it.
Class?
Economic class?
I think.
Well, he's talking about World of Warcraft.
Attractive, rich, unattractive, poor.
Well, I think he's talking about World of Warcraft, but like class, I think, I mean, there's the races, the different races.
I would say probably like female dwarf is like pretty fucking stacked, you know?
Yeah, thick.
Super thick.
Yeah.
Super stacked.
Night Elf is pretty good.
Human.
Horde is.
Who's doggy?
Yeah, you can pull up the little click that one.
That's my character right there.
Yeah, there you go.
That's stay safe.
Scarab Lord.
The scarab lord.
Pink.
Female gnome warlock with pink hair.
Pretty much that means you're the best player in the world, is what that means.
Because you're a woman?
Yeah, because I'm a social woman.
I'm a gnome woman.
Cool.
That's what I identify as.
All right, let's wrap.
All right, we're going to wrap up.
Yo, thank you guys for joining us for the after show.
Is there anything else on World of Warcraft?
I think we've printed.
I'm probably going to go to the next one.
Don't start playing World of Warcraft.
Never mind.
Everything that needed to be talked about.
Yep.
Cool.
All right, guys.
Thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to everyone who super chatted, donates, supports the show, means the world.
07's in the chat.
07's in the chat.
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Get in front of me.
770.
Here we go.
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Wait, what was that last one?
That should like the can you do that?
Like, can you do that again?
What was that one?
Can you just like make it 100 or something?
I don't even know what.
Oh, dude, that's so funny.
Okay, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool.
Okay, um, 07's in the chat.
Thank you guys so much.
And we'll be maybe live again with Adam22 and his wife, Lena, maybe on Friday, not guaranteed.
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