Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #47

Feb. 5, 2023 - Whatever Podcast

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Dating Talk #47

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	Welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California every Sunday and Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	I'm joined by my co-host Kiki.
	She's a bit shy.
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	Anyways, without further ado, after that obnoxiously long introduction, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, my name is Ami Inu.
	I currently work as a content creator, but previously I was in.
	Cindsy Mike.
	Okay.
	I was in cybersecurity.
	And now I'm a cosplayer.
	And I was asked to wear a bunny suit here.
	So, you know, some others weren't.
	I asked my bunny.
	We won't talk about that now.
	But what was the other question?
	Oh, I'm in my 20s and I went to UCI.
	I don't know if that's part of it, but yeah.
	You're in your 20s?
	Yes.
	What's your actual age?
	I don't ever give my, like, because of my presence, I don't give my year out.
	I was in cybersecurity previously.
	Years are tied to a lot of very sensitive information, and people already know my birth date, so giving out my year would be a risk for me.
	Stop the cap!
	Wait, that's the reason you don't want, that's the reason you don't want to share your age because of cyber security risks.
	Well, yeah, people go through a lot of.
	Tell you what, we'll do this.
	We'll do this.
	Why don't you, wait, why don't you tell us a two to three year range?
	No, you're 26 or you're 28.
	No, I've never gone into specifics.
	I won't be doing that on the whatever podcast.
	I just, why?
	Just safety precautions.
	And also, like, I have people who have stalked me, doxxed me.
	I'm not interested in more of that information coming out.
	I'm here to talk about my job, how I got into this.
	I'm here to share a lot of like aspects of my life that are very exciting and interesting.
	My age and the exact like I'm born on September 15th, but I'm not going to tell you the date, you know?
	But why would you share that instead of just the because then I can say, hey, it's my birthday, and people can celebrate with me.
	However, I don't have to share those four numbers that I've used in passwords and banking.
	But I mean, in terms of your internet security, I mean, you're in your 20s, so that's only if someone wanted to try to attempt to guess your age, that's only 10 guesses.
	In terms of the year, so you said September 15th.
	Fair.
	So it could be 89, it could be 90, it could be 91.
	It only takes a couple guesses to arrive at, I don't know how they would use it, but.
	I think you're already out of the 20s with those years, but sure.
	Well, I'm giving examples, but it could be 94, 95, 96.
	Sure, sure.
	But I think it's a lot safer to not say it.
	So you're in your 20s.
	Okay, so you wish to omit your age.
	I'll say mid-20s.
	There you go.
	You wish to omit your age.
	Completely from the internet.
	I never have posted it anywhere, and nobody knows.
	Is it because you think that your OnlyFans patrons would have you misrepresented your age before?
	No, never.
	And that's the thing a lot of people in our industry do.
	They'll be 19.
	Sorry, they'll be 19 for like many years, you know, on their page.
	It says, so that's another really great reason not to post it: I never have to misrepresent my age, never have to lie about it, but it also keeps me safe.
	And my primary reason was, okay, I've used this for banking shit before.
	I'm not going to say this publicly.
	Obviously, I've changed it since now, but you know, it's just safer.
	You can dig into it more later, but maybe we should get to other people's.
	I've never heard of like a I suppose giving your full birth date would be a potential right, which they already have by September 15th.
	But I mean, don't you think being out there publicly on social media is a bigger risk than are you like trying to get your chat to dox me?
	No, I just figure out like you know my career.
	I'll tell you, I guess I'll tell you kind of my objection to it: well, we had an OnlyFans panel previously, and three of the girls claimed to have, two of the girls claimed to have been 45, one of the girls claimed to be 55.
	They were in their 20s.
	So the reason I pushed back on it is because, well, yeah, they lied, and I just don't see how I can have a productive conversation with someone who so egregious, not you, but who so egregiously misrepresents their age because how you date in your 20s is far different than how you would date, for example, when you're 55.
	100% agree.
	And I assume they were doing it because they were pandering to their older male clientele.
	Probably, yeah.
	But as a show of good faith, I will allow you to omit your age.
	Not that you would tell it anyways, but if we were on a date, I would 100% tell you.
	Okay.
	And my real name, but not on the whatever podcast.
	Well, I'll tell you what, I'll leave it at that, but I do ask that your other answers are 100% forthcoming.
	And I'm going to have you swear on the Bible after this.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I can swear on Dragon Ball Z. That's more on my side.
	Halal.
	All right, fair enough.
	Anyways, I'm Sophie.
	I'm 19 and I'm a student at UCSB.
	Okay, what do you study at UCSB?
	Philosophy in Spanish.
	Okay.
	So I assume you speak Spanish.
	I do not.
	No.
	It's kind of a touchy subject.
	Wait, wait, are you joking, right?
	Basically, I took my first Spanish class yesterday.
	Oh, okay.
	And it went interestingly.
	Basically, I cannot speak a single word of Spanish.
	So you're going to be dropping that class pretty soon, is what you're saying.
	No, I'm taking it.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, go ahead.
	I am Alex.
	I am 26.
	And the only reason I can say that is because I lied about my birthday.
	So no one knows the actual date, and I'm also a content creator.
	So, and when you say content creator, you mean OnlyFans?
	Not exclusively.
	Okay, you do other stuff too.
	Okay, sure, sure, sure.
	That's a fair.
	That's fair.
	Go ahead.
	I'm Diane.
	I'm 18, and I go to UCSB, and I'm a communication major.
	Tilt the microphone down ever so slightly towards you.
	I'm sorry, I didn't have a third seat booster for you.
	I apologize.
	Go ahead.
	I'm Annie.
	I'm 28.
	I'm getting my master's in screenwriting, and I bartend to make a living.
	Okay, cool.
	Hi, I'm Taylor.
	I'm 28, and I own a clothing and merchandise brand called Season of.
	It's all surrounding mental health.
	My name is Kate Parker.
	I'm a social media content creator.
	I'm a business owner, just all-around entrepreneur, YouTuber, and I actually own my own podcast called Unplugged.
	Rock and roll.
	Thank you guys.
	Eric, can you push the door open a little bit so we get a little more air going through?
	Okay.
	By the way, I hope you didn't mind me really putting the heat on.
	I'm ready for that.
	Putting the heat on a little bit there.
	Okay.
	I can't get it.
	Good, good, good.
	All right, guys, everyone's Instagrams are in the description.
	So show them some love, give them a follow.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	So current relationship status, longest relationship, and your sexual orientation.
	Okay, start with the last one.
	I'm bisexual.
	Longest relationship, five years.
	Current relationship status.
	I also don't disclose online, but since I'm here, I'll just say I'm super private about it, but I do date.
	All right.
	My longest relationship was a little bit over a year.
	I'm straight, and currently I'm talking to someone.
	It's going pretty well, so I'll probably end up in a relationship with them.
	But you're not in a relationship yet.
	Nope.
	How long have you guys been talking?
	A little under a month.
	Okay, so it's the talking stage.
	Pretty early on in it.
	Okay.
	Does he go to UCSB too?
	Nope, he's back home in Minnesota.
	Whoa.
	You guys met over the summer or over.
	Yep, we met end of August.
	Didn't really talk too much, and we hung out over winter break.
	And that's how we really started talking.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	How did you guys meet?
	We met at the state fair, actually.
	I can detect a bit of an accent.
	So you're from Minnesota?
	Yep.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	It's coming through.
	It's coming through.
	Okay.
	Okay, cool.
	Go ahead.
	I am also bisexual.
	My longest relationship was five years, and that is completely separate from her five-year relationship.
	And God, what was the other one?
	So just current relationship status, longest relationship, and your orientation.
	Oh, I'm so single.
	I am completely bitchless.
	Okay.
	It's true.
	I'm straight.
	I also have never had a boyfriend before.
	I just kind of like talk around and then forget about it.
	Hold on.
	I'm open to dating, though.
	Can you articulate a little better what talking around is?
	Like, you kind of just hook up with people and then you talk to them for like a week or two and then.
	And then what happens?
	History.
	Well, they're normally like friends though.
	So like you see them, you know, like getting with like your guy friends.
	And then you talk for a little bit, like intimately, and then you're friends again.
	So it's like it never happened.
	Oh, you know?
	Situationship type?
	No, not, I wouldn't even call it situationship type.
	It's like not even like the step before that.
	Like a little bit below.
	It's like friends with benefits.
	I see.
	Kind of.
	Are you two sophomores or freshmen that?
	We're freshmen.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	So it's be friends with a dude and then you're both like drunk at a party or whatever.
	One thing leads to another type situation or?
	Yeah, like exactly like that.
	Okay.
	And then you guys never hook up again.
	I mean, no, I mean, there have been times when you get with them again.
	But I feel like it's not been like, like probably my longest was like five times with one guy.
	That's the longest.
	Okay, I see.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'll come back to that, but I'll have everyone else go ahead.
	I'm straight.
	Here, scoot your microphone to your, that way.
	Am I good now?
	What?
	Just scoot it that way.
	That's good.
	Yeah, go for it.
	I'm straight and I'm single.
	My longest relationship was like three years on and off.
	Okay.
	My longest relationship was three and a half years.
	Hold on, I'm just going to interrupt you.
	Scoot your microphone that way and then tilt it down ever so slightly.
	Perfect.
	Go ahead.
	So I'm very single.
	My longest relationship is three and a half years.
	Oops, sorry.
	That was the wrong segment.
	I appreciate the love of it.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Okay, yeah.
	So my longest relationship is three and a half years.
	And what was the other question?
	I was so sorry.
	You're sexually oriented.
	Oh, yeah, I'm straight.
	So I am also straight.
	My longest relationship has got to be around eight months.
	And currently, single.
	Remind me, how old are you again?
	27.
	Longest relationship eight months?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	You've been playing the field, you know?
	Recently, actually, just singled about a month or two ago.
	But when you realize it's not right, it's time to move on, you know?
	Okay.
	Looking for the right person.
	No, I don't want to waste my time.
	Yeah, eight months is no wasting time.
	I knew a guy who would do three months and then change if it wasn't right every time.
	My last was actually around a month and a half.
	And after I realized that it was wrong, I got out of it.
	Good times.
	As they say, when you know, you know, I guess.
	Yeah.
	All right, we're going to do a couple soup chats here, guys.
	All right.
	We have Zoroslost with the $10 soup chat.
	hey thank you man how would you feel if woman you always got the crazy formatting source loss How would you feel if woman were called stupid, weak, and short for wanting a man that's taller, more money, stronger, fit, ambitious, confident?
	Because that's how stupid you sound, calling a man insecure for our standards.
	Okay, well, we haven't gotten there yet, but they might.
	I don't know if we reached that point.
	He went straight for the jugular.
	He said, there you go.
	Yo, Flan Life.
	Hey, thank you, man, for the big Canadian $20 Super Chat.
	Appreciate it.
	Patrick Bateman, dude in the white blazer, I see you.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Beat in cheeks with the $10 Super Chat.
	Thank you, man.
	Ladies, how do you feel about us men in the chat spending more on whatever than what a man would spend on a date with you asking for a friend?
	Yeah, your guys' thoughts on that.
	Beat in cheeks.
	How do you know how much people are spending on us?
	It's not best to assume.
	You're wrong.
	I don't want to throw out any numbers, but I'm pretty sure a man has spent more on me in a night than the $10 he just donated.
	The $10 he just donated.
	Well, there might be more to come, you know, so don't count them out yet.
	Maybe if he continues donating, he can reach an amount that is higher, but not at the moment.
	See, for me, I don't like spending a lot of money on the first date because that kind of sets a standard of what they're expecting.
	And I don't even know if I'm going to want to see you again.
	So why spend a bunch of money to prove that I'm a baller when I don't have to?
	I don't have to show you anything about my life.
	I don't want to.
	So, yeah.
	Kate, let me ask you.
	So do you do, when you go on a date with a girl, is it totally free?
	Like you'll go for a walk or go to the beach, do a picnic, or like you'll do a meet for a drink or something cheap like tacos.
	In those instances, would you pay or are you going to go for the split?
	Most of the time, I think going for a drink is probably the best option.
	It's easier to break the ice when you get a few drinks in you and then the awkward tension is gone.
	I normally, I mean, the last one was probably around $120 for just a couple of drinks.
	Bruv.
	That's a good amount of money.
	I mean, I'm not spending more than that just for a couple of drinks.
	I can tell you that.
	Yeah, but that's, I mean, isn't that an L if it doesn't, like you said, what if it doesn't go to a second date?
	Right, and you could take her to a nice dinner for that amount.
	I was thinking about this a couple weeks ago, and I think there was only been maybe one or two dates where I didn't get a second date or third date.
	So just I choose.
	Patrick Bateman, no fourth date.
	What's this no fourth date from Patrick Bateman?
	I've seen American Psycho, but what's the fourth date thing?
	Oh, no, it actually, there's no fourth date thing in the movie.
	It's about so much.
	He just kills them.
	If I kill them after all, he murders them.
	I got to go turn some videotape.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He and Cheeks super chatted $50.
	I'll spend more money on this podcast than on any of our first dates and I'm disease-free.
	Successful.
	And the brown version of Kid, but slightly less good looking.
	Okay, he's the brown version of you, but who?
	Slightly less good looking.
	It's good that he knows.
	Yeah, okay.
	He's the brown version of Kid.
	Okay.
	Yeah, all right.
	Welcome, my brother.
	There you go.
	Maybe brother from another mother.
	Because, okay.
	By the way, we have Huey Lewis in the news here.
	Yes.
	Do you guys like Huey Lewis in the news?
	Got the business cards, too?
	Huey Lewis in the news.
	We'll go around the table really quick.
	Yes or no?
	Quick.
	I'm unfamiliar.
	I know that's the psycho.
	Of course it is.
	It's not American Psycho Reference.
	Of course it's in the middle of the year.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So going back to the date thing.
	So 120 bucks.
	Yeah, that's a little high.
	I'd rather it not get that high, but I like mimosas.
	They're cheap.
	They're nice.
	And the last girl I actually took out, I was drinking mimosas.
	She was actually ordering draft beers.
	So that was a little shocking.
	Was that bad?
	No, it was just unique.
	Kind of impressive.
	Can I chime in?
	I want to say I rather get drinks than go on a first date with someone and have to sit through dinner.
	Because I feel like dinner, if you're just like stuck there.
	You never take a girl out to dinner on the first date.
	Dinner's first date.
	Dinner's bad.
	You take a girl out to dinner on the first date.
	They're going to expect a second.
	Even if they don't want to see you for a second or a third date or fourth date, they're just going to say, hey, let's hang out again.
	Let's go get dinner.
	I'm not feeding you for free.
	It's not even that, though.
	It's just like it's so much commitment.
	Like it's like, I don't even know if I like you.
	And like drinks is like so casual.
	You can be like, okay, one drink.
	I need to like go meet friends, whatnot.
	Dinner, you're just like there and you're locked in.
	Yeah, I feel that.
	And you'd always cut off whenever you need to.
	Dinner's a no.
	Dinner's a no.
	Yeah.
	And it's just the waiter comes and interrupts you.
	It's awkward.
	Then you have to look at the menu, but you also just met.
	It's just.
	So I'll take a girl out for some mimosas.
	I'll maybe get an order of fries.
	That's about it.
	Got something to snack on, got something to sip on.
	And that's a pretty good first date for me.
	Yeah, as far as food goes, too, it's just kind of awkward because if you're having the first date, there's kind of a, if it gets silent, it can be a bit awkward.
	So like if you actually want to eat, I don't know about you guys.
	I don't like to really talk and eat too much.
	I want to eat.
	So it's just kind of like, yeah, no food dates.
	But Candace, by the way, thank you for re-upping your membership.
	Really appreciate you.
	Thank you.
	Oh.
	And but since we're on the topic really quick of the food thing, so I want to go around the table.
	Who should pay on the first date?
	Oh, depends on the financial situation.
	For example, currently I'm in a very good position and I always offer to split.
	However, when I was not doing so well, it would have meant a lot to me for the guy to offer.
	So I will never be upset if the guy wants to split on the first date.
	It will never influence my opinion of him in any way.
	However, you know, it means a lot if he puts the effort in because it means he saw something in that date that really he wanted to invest in.
	Before I have you go, Flan Life, thank you for the 10 gifted memberships, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	StreamYard has to get it together so that we can actually pull up when someone gifts memberships.
	But dude, thank you for the big 10 gifted memberships there, man.
	Really appreciate the CE Seaport.
	Thank you, man.
	Hold on.
	Wait.
	Congrats to me, boys!
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	What do you think?
	I think splitting the bill is perfectly fine.
	If they want to offer to pay, no, that's okay, too.
	That's nice, but I'm fine splitting the bill.
	If you split the bill, you're not seeing them again.
	Let's just be honest.
	Come on.
	That's not how it's worked out for me in the past.
	Guy might be going through some stuff.
	You never know.
	I'm splitting the check.
	Really?
	I'm splitting the check.
	See, that's ideal in an ideal world, but as a man, you should never split the check, especially on a first date.
	Here's the thing, though.
	So, okay, you're talking about being a gentleman, correct?
	Absolutely.
	Sure.
	I'll give you that.
	We're in Southern California, fairly liberal place, right?
	In order for you to be a gentleman, she has to be a lady.
	Correct.
	So, and by the way, I think you're not wrong.
	I don't think you're wrong, but just for me personally, as a matter of principle, I don't believe in paying for a girl on the first date.
	I don't believe it either, but here I am doing it.
	Well, no, but see, here's where you win, though, is because, see, this is my shitty hill to die on, because yes, it does lose me girls, but as a man of principle, I'm a very well, I'm not saying you're not, but I agree with you completely, but I just I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender rules when most women are not adhering to their traditional gender rules.
	You know, I've said that before, but uh, and and but here's the thing: you're doing the maximum, you're doing what's right that will get you the best result.
	Yeah, otherwise you want to waste your time.
	So, you mentioned you were like, okay, well, ladies have to act like ladies, so would you be more inclined to not split the bill if she presented herself as a lady or more ladylike?
	Perhaps.
	Okay, it's not even classified as exactly.
	What does that classify as?
	Low body count.
	I can value woman.
	Low body count, not promiscuous.
	She has to give off those vibes.
	And what's considerably a low body count?
	I mean, it depends on age, but like, and honestly, anything over 10, that's an eyebrow raise for me.
	Okay, but what about if she has a really low body count, but then she has an OnlyFans like me?
	Has she.
	Here's where I differ with some men.
	I would, okay, if she's done anything with men, like on OF?
	No, no nudes either.
	No, but if she's doing solo content, I could date a girl who does solo content.
	But any like hardcore boy girl.
	Right.
	No.
	Because I've never had any problems with guys being like, oh, you have an OF?
	I think because I don't do like boy girl or pornography or nudes or anything like that.
	It's like it's a spectrum, obviously.
	Yeah.
	It's from like.
	I think there's a huge discrimination between, you know, just posting like lewd cosplay and then actually like doing like solo videos and stuff like that.
	Yeah.
	There's a big difference.
	I mean, you have like, like you said, there's tasteful lingerie photos all the way to gang bangs.
	Right, exactly.
	So it's all on there.
	Yeah.
	So it's hard.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's really interesting too as an OnlyFans creator because you're classified as OnlyFans creators and there's such a but you asked would I pay on the date if she had a low body count but she did OF Or yeah, just posted provocative pictures on she's probably making so much money from OF she should probably pay for both of us to be honest.
	In an ideal world, yeah, but they're still going to make their thousands and thousands of dollars and as a man they're still going to expect you to pay.
	Well they can expect all they want.
	I expect are us as men like okay that's men adhering to their traditional gender.
	By the way, I want to say you're not wrong, but this is just me from my point of view.
	Are we then supposed to expect women to be virgins when we meet them?
	No, absolutely.
	Basically, nobody is at this point.
	Well, tradition is out the window.
	So then why do I need to do the traditional courtship if you are no longer traditional is what I'm getting at?
	It keeps your standards as a man.
	It sets the baseline of what you accept in your life.
	And if they don't appreciate that, then you don't have to see them again.
	And also, you should get those vibes from somebody before you go on a date with them.
	So if you don't start out by courting them, when do you?
	When do I what?
	When do you, I don't know, when is there more courtship for you?
	Like, if you start off on a certain foot, do you think it's easier to be more romantic going forward?
	Or would you rather not start off on a romantic foot?
	That's taking away the whole gesture of paying the bill.
	I'm just saying in general.
	I'll start paying if we're in a relationship and we're exclusive.
	See, at that point, I think if we're in a relationship, then you should be offering to split 50-50.
	Because, I mean, you're in a partnership at that point.
	Whether it goes long term or whether it's short term, why should I waste all my money on you if we don't even know what the outcome is going to be?
	I think it's less about traditional rules and more about if you want to take someone out and treat them and you really like them, then you do it.
	You know?
	I also think it goes with like if you're asking a girl on the date and you just don't like, I mean, I always offer, but if someone asks me on a date and I offer and we split it, for me, it's kind of an ick.
	Wait.
	So hold on.
	Just so we're clear.
	Yeah.
	So you go on a date.
	And they ask me.
	Right, they ask you.
	You will offer.
	So you'll speak words that you don't mean, but you.
	No, I mean, I don't mind paying, but I will say it's a bit of a turn off when they do split it.
	Well, then why make the offer?
	Because I have the money and I'm willing to pay.
	It's also just polite.
	See, I appreciate the offer, but I'm never going to let you pay.
	And see, like, to me, that's like bonus points.
	You know, if they got to be a pay-per-view, exactly.
	It's bonus points.
	I go on a lot of dates and not a lot of girls offer the pay.
	There is bonus points.
	And they're asking you out as well.
	They're wanting to take you on a date.
	Well, okay, we'll come back to that point, but just to address your thing.
	So you said that you'll offer, but if they take you up on said offer.
	I'll split it.
	I'll split it.
	You'll split it, but you said you get the ick.
	I do.
	I mean, I will not.
	This is how men and women communicate differently.
	That's right.
	Men meet, men mean what they say with no ulterior motive.
	But you just said, I will offer, you'll make the gesture, but if someone takes you up on said gesture, you'll feel negatively about that.
	I mean, just that instance, it doesn't mean that I will reject a second date, but I will say, like, if someone offers to pay it after I split it, I think, again, it's bonus points.
	But you shouldn't make the offer if you're going to feel negatively about it.
	I also think it's kind of a test of generosity, too.
	I think they're testing you.
	A test of generosity.
	To see how much you want to invest in them, I guess.
	Like, it's a bonus if he's going to be invested in this relationship.
	Well, I don't feel particularly generous where in 2022, when the dating meta is people are sleeping with multiple people at the same time, I don't really want to pay for a girl if she's hooking up with another guy.
	But most people are hooking up.
	We're in Southern California.
	Most people have two, three things going on at the same time.
	The problem is most of the girls that you're seeing, all the other guys that they're seeing are all paying for them as well.
	They can have them.
	You're just off in the foot.
	Well, you don't know how long you want them.
	How long do you want them?
	Do you want them for a night or do you want them for a year or do you want them for 20 years?
	You don't know.
	And it also sounds like you don't trust your own judgment when it comes to the women that you're picking.
	You would be surprised.
	There are some very unassuming women that have multiple partners and they might not be partiers.
	They might not be clubbing all the time.
	Trust me, there are some very unassuming, shy, quiet, reserved, demure women that are promiscuous.
	No, I don't know if you looked at them or met them.
	Are you asking the right questions?
	What do you mean?
	Like what's your body count?
	That's not what you're saying.
	Like what your expectations are.
	If you want a relationship or if you just want to talk about it.
	Even women who are seeking long-term relationships have some friends with benefits, some guy.
	They're still stuck on their ex.
	There's always like some dude.
	Hold on.
	There's always some guy in the picture for most women.
	Go ahead.
	I think that unfortunately that's just kind of the dating like zeitgeist right now because of Tinder and stuff.
	Lots of guys are seeing multiple women as well.
	The top percent of men are seeing multiple women.
	I guess just top 10, maybe top 20% of men.
	I'll say that most of my dating experience comes from her.
	Hold on, you got to talk in some money.
	Most of my dating experience comes secondhand from Alex's stories.
	So, and we mostly interact with people within our industry, which is YouTubers, SoundCloud rappers, and, you know, the bunch.
	So it's like all the guys have multiple girls too.
	And it made me so repulsed that I like don't go anywhere and I don't date in my industry.
	I don't do any of that.
	So it's just kind of like it happens to women as well.
	Well, here, okay, you said all the guys.
	You're getting us something a little bit confused.
	The top 10, top 20% of men that 80% of women are chasing, those men have three, four girls they're seeing.
	But you look at average men or the normal guy, he's dating one person at a time if he's lucky.
	Whereas average women can have multiple partners concurrently.
	Are you saying that there is a large percentage of average women that have multiple partners right now?
	Yes.
	I'd agree with that.
	More.
	So maybe we could do like a poll just out of the few women here.
	Who are willing to disclose their relationship status because I know you don't.
	I have a question for you, Brian.
	So when you're going on these dates with women, are you going one by one and you're not talking to anyone else?
	You're not hooking up with anyone else while going on dates?
	I'm so busy that if I do go on a date with a girl, that I actually, yes, I'm only seeing one girl at a time.
	Then you're not hooking up with anyone else?
	No.
	Okay, then that's fair.
	You're allowed to have your viewpoints.
	You're expecting the woman that you're going on a date with to be the same way as you.
	One night stands, having a couple chicks.
	I don't have time for it because I'm incredibly busy.
	If some guys are cool juggling with it, honestly, I don't want the headache.
	I've done it in the past briefly.
	It's just, it's too much hassle to be dealing with multiple women at the same time.
	So let's put it this way then.
	So say you were going to ask a girl on a date, would you expect that girl, say she was seeing, just hooking up with someone prior to even going on a date with you?
	Are you expecting that?
	That's disgusting.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but go ahead.
	Say she was, you know, had a hookup buddy or she had somebody she was involved with prior to going on a date with you and then you guys connect online or however you connect with women and you go on a date with her.
	Are you expecting that she has dropped every single man before going on a first date with you?
	When you say she's hooking up with someone, are you talking like that day?
	Like the day we go on a date, she hooked up with a guy?
	No, not necessarily that day.
	I'm saying just in general, say she has somebody that she occasionally hooks up with and then you guys connect and you ask her on a date.
	Are you expecting her to drop whoever she is involved with previously before going on that date with you and having a complete clean slate?
	Well, here's the, I guess the complicated situation is she's not going to tell me.
	She's not going to tell me she's going to lie.
	No, okay.
	So you're saying in a scenario where I knew, like I knew that she had another guy in the picture?
	No.
	Okay, say for example, you and I met online and you had no idea of who I'm involved with, but I'm single, I'm single.
	But that doesn't disclose like maybe somebody I had in the past that I hook up with once in a while, but I agree to go on a date with you.
	Do you, in your mind, expect that I completely clean my slate of whoever I in the recent past may have been involved with before going on a date with you?
	First.
	Well, first off, I would ask you, why are you occasionally hooking up with someone occasionally from?
	But you don't know that information.
	No, I'm saying you don't know that information.
	Say you find out afterwards.
	In a perfect world for you.
	I mean, I'll try to answer it as simply as possible.
	If I know before I even go on a date with a girl, if it somehow occurs to me or somehow I find out or maybe it comes up organically in conversation, goodbye.
	i don't want to talk to you anymore so then what you're saying is you're i don't i don't want anything to do with a girl that's sleeping with someone else i don't want to I don't want to go on a date with you.
	I don't want to kiss you.
	I certainly don't want to have sex with you.
	Sadly in LA, that's every girl.
	You can't avoid that.
	But just to answer my question, so you're saying, yes, you would like somebody who is completely uninvolved with anybody before ever meeting you.
	They practically have to be a virgin for that to happen.
	I mean, they could have ex-boyfriends, but...
	Right.
	But nobody in the recent past.
	I think I kind of get it because I'm a little bit the same way.
	Like, I'm really, really picky with who I date, and I won't sleep with someone unless I'm like in love with them, which is hard in LA.
	That's why I say I don't date in my industry.
	But like, it makes it really hard to find a partner.
	And also, it's like, it's not necessarily like them talking to someone else is a problem.
	But if they're like involved with someone else, it would give me the ick if I like went to go on a first date with them and I know in the back of my mind that they're involved with someone else.
	It would be hard for me to get through that.
	But I'm saying like unknowing that type of information, like say, I don't know, say you have a hookup buddy that you've been seeing and hooking up with for the last year, but you're still dating around.
	You guys are under the, say you don't just have sex with people that you're in love with.
	Say you're in a different universe.
	Yeah, in a different universe.
	Say you're hooking up with a guy, I'm going to say about a year, but you guys both are under the understanding.
	It's just something physical between the two of you.
	You have a physical connection, but you don't have any romantic interests.
	So you're opening your romantic self up to going on dates or multiple dates or whatever.
	But if, say, those dates don't work out, you still want to still hook up with the guy that you've been seeing physically for the last year.
	How does that like the one of my question is like from Brian's from Brian's point of view, would he expect you to have a complete clear slate just to go on a date with him?
	I see what you're saying.
	Like whether he knows that information or not.
	See, everything initially, unless you already meet out at night at a nightclub, at a club, at a bar, something, it's initially going to start off as a date, as an interaction you meet at a grocery store.
	And you're not going to expect somebody to have no other partners.
	But at the end of the day, I want it just as bad as maybe you want it.
	And you're not going to tell me that, but that might be the only thing you offer.
	That might be the only thing you can offer me, whether you tell me that or not, whether I decided that or not, I want it.
	And whether I'm going to wrap it up, If that's all you can offer me, that's what I'm going to take.
	And I don't have to take anything else if I think you're promiscuous.
	Yeah, that's completely your choice.
	And I'm just asking out of curiosity for Brian's point of view.
	So just the question is, just so I make sure I answer it properly, the question is what?
	Sorry, there's been so many additives to it.
	But my question is, so from my understanding, you obviously unknowingly are.
	I can hide that.
	I think the text-to-speech is bugging.
	Is text-to-speech not working?
	That's strange.
	They're all ugly.
	Cap.
	Oh, it takes a bit of time.
	That's rude.
	I think I'm pretty cute.
	Thank you.
	Wait, is the sound muted?
	Nope.
	And also, I think I missed one of them.
	Shit, guys, I'm so sorry.
	I guess text-to-speech is bugged.
	Sorry if you guys super chatted.
	We will pull up your super chats normally.
	Sorry, guys.
	It's brand new.
	We'll get the TTS fixed.
	Sorry, guys.
	My bad.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there.
	What were you saying?
	No, it's okay.
	So, because I was trying to understand your point of view, and I can completely understand where you're saying, like, I don't want to knowingly be with a woman that is hooking up with somebody else or seeing other dudes while going on a date with me.
	But I guess my question is: without knowing what this woman is involved with, and you just found interest in her, whether it be conversation, first meeting, whatever, are you expecting whoever she was previously involved with to meeting you to be cleared just for the first date?
	I don't think, I mean, I don't think that people should be, maybe this is a radical idea.
	I think people should date one person at a time.
	So I'm coming.
	If I'm going to be talking to a girl, if I'm going to be sleeping with a girl, I'm just sleeping with her.
	Okay.
	So.
	But what if you're a man that can do the same thing that a woman can?
	I can do it.
	You can have five, six guys.
	What if you are a high-value man that has 10, 20 girls on the lineup?
	That's a lot of time.
	That takes a lot of time.
	I'm so busy.
	I don't have to do that.
	How are you running your business?
	I only see them when I feel like it.
	So the exact thing you're wanting to ask some girls you're not willing to give yourself asking what.
	He's not operating the same way I'm operating.
	And don't get me wrong, I'm still looking out for a wife out here, but I'm being picky and I'm going to have my fun in the meantime.
	You're entertaining your options.
	And that's fine.
	That's fine.
	Just I'm moving a bit differently.
	So I'm just still trying to parse what the question.
	You answered my question.
	I guess it makes you feel better.
	Yeah, I guess I'll.
	I have a new one for him.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	So I'm just going to, if I somehow find out that she's seeing another guy, she's dating a whole bunch of other guys, she's sleeping with another guy.
	If I find that out, I'm done.
	Oh, absolutely.
	I'm done.
	I'm out.
	I don't want to have sex with you.
	I don't want to kiss you.
	I don't want anything.
	You know that story.
	And a girl can have the same standard.
	Go ahead.
	You know the song by The Weekend?
	I don't want to know.
	Like, keep it on the load.
	You got a good voice.
	Do you want to keep going?
	That was fun.
	Yeah, you got a good voice.
	I do dabble in music here and then.
	But we're not going to know.
	You're not going to tell us.
	I find out.
	Goodbye.
	Okay, I have another question then in regards to this question.
	Okay, so say she was hooking up with somebody before going on a date with you.
	I'm not the same day, just in general.
	And then you guys go on a date, she realizes, oh my gosh, Brian is the love of my life.
	Goodbye to my roster.
	But then you find out she had a roster prior to you.
	Are you still going to be done?
	How big is the roster?
	Wait.
	It's subjective.
	It's a what?
	I said the roster.
	He said, How many people on the roster?
	I said, it's subjective.
	I said, the idea of you finding out after she drops her roster after you guys' first date and decides, you know what?
	I'm going to stick to just Brian and Brian only.
	But I had people that I was seeing and hooking up with and going on dates with prior to Brian.
	Would you still be uninterested after finding out there were people prior to your first date?
	If, okay, so if she drops them, if we slept together and I find out that she had slept with someone close to when we had slept together or after we had slept together.
	I'm only talking about beforehand.
	How soon is too soon?
	For what?
	So say some you slept with them.
	Minimum a fortnight, but even then, like, I want to say, I want to say it would be nice if it was a couple months since the last time you had sex, which is asking a lot because people be fucking.
	People be fucking for sure.
	No, my question now is: okay, so how long do you usually wait before having sex with a girl that you want to date with?
	How long do I usually wait?
	Or how long do you, yeah, like, do you fuck on the first date?
	Do you usually like to wait a bit and feel the girl out?
	So I'll answer this in a semi-political way.
	So, how a politician might answer it.
	So, of the women I've had long-term relationships with, I've had a five-year relationship, I've had a two-year relationship, I've had a one-year, one-and-a-half-year relationship.
	We hooked up relatively soon.
	I'd say on either the second or third time meeting.
	I think one of them might have been the first time.
	But you can sleep with someone relatively quickly and not have a high body count and not be promiscuous.
	See, my actual longest relationship, the eighth month one, we hooked up on the second night, but I will hook up on the first night.
	Depends on the situation.
	Like I said, I don't know if I'm going to want to see you again.
	Depends, just depends, honestly.
	So, now for the guys, does sleeping with a girl on the first or second date deter your feelings for her?
	Or not at all.
	Because the passion's there, like it's there.
	And just because they sleep with you on the first date, technically doesn't mean they're doing the same thing with every other girl.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And there will be girls that make you wait four dates, five dates, six dates, seven dates, and they've got body counts.
	Like, they've got 30, 40 books.
	What if they're reformed?
	What if they're reformed?
	Like, their past was a matter of time.
	They were a hoe in their past.
	They were a hoe in the past.
	You can't change that.
	You can't change.
	You can't turn a hoe into a housewife?
	Nope.
	Absolutely not.
	Nope.
	It's a wrap.
	Men care about the women's past.
	See, women care about a man's future.
	You want to be taken care of and provided for.
	We care about your past.
	So interesting.
	Interesting.
	You can't change your past, but we can change our future.
	If you really care about women's futures much more because the woman is going to be the mother of your children if you want kids.
	If you're going to be holding down your household, please go ahead.
	If you go on a date and you really, really vibing with this person, would you just drop them if they told you that their body count was above 10?
	Like if you are really, But for you, 10.
	10s and after 10s and eyebrow raise.
	It's not necessarily a disqualifier, and it depends on age to get a lot of people.
	So what's the disqualifier?
	What's the number?
	I mean, I want to say if it depends on the age.
	Okay, let's say like 25.
	And they're 25 years old, and they have a body count of like, what's like 13 and 14?
	Is that a turnoff?
	It's a wobbler.
	Really?
	It's a wobbler.
	I don't know.
	It's a wobbler.
	There was a girl the other day that was like a virgin until she was 27, right?
	And then by the time she was 30, she had 30 bodies.
	Oh, yeah, she was on the show.
	Yeah, she was virgin.
	I have time, everybody.
	I have.
	It'll be fine.
	Yeah, they were roasting her.
	They were roasting her.
	Damn, that's it.
	Wait, so you're a virgin?
	100%.
	No.
	Stop the cat.
	No, I'm not.
	I just don't date.
	Okay, that's fine.
	It's hard to.
	It's kind of hard to put a number to it, but.
	Yeah.
	If she has a large laby, I'll give her a pass.
	How about that?
	If she has a large what?
	Labia?
	Labia.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Then it can be anything?
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	The larger the number, the larger the labia.
	The larger the labyrinth.
	Wait, what was the face you're making?
	There's no face.
	Are you trying to tell us something?
	Don't worry about it.
	You're not a fan of large labias.
	There's no face.
	No face?
	There's a bit of a face.
	A bit of a face.
	Slight face.
	It's okay if there was a face.
	didn't catch it so you're not not in favor of the no comment Are you a labia shamer?
	Do you shame labias?
	Okay, moving on.
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	Friends who fuck me sometimes.
	I believe this is.
	Okay, okay.
	I want to clarify.
	I'm going to clarify really quickly.
	I'm not.
	Okay, hook up brief terms.
	I don't have sex with all these guys.
	Like, definitely not.
	Just clarify.
	Stop the cap.
	No, no, no.
	I'm being so serious.
	Like, I feel like that's weird because no one has to do that.
	Last time I hooked up with one of your friends.
	Last time.
	Last night.
	Winner break.
	Last winter break?
	No, no, no.
	Last winner break.
	Like like last time I had sex with one of my friends.
	Yeah, I've never had sex with any of my friends.
	What you just so I'm saying?
	I'm saying hook up as in brief terms, because like like, I feel like okay, I shouldn't say hookup, what should you be skidding with?
	Like I don't know, I've like making out.
	Yeah, there we go making out with my friends.
	It was just a kid.
	I'm being so like.
	Can you imagine like, if I'm like going through my entire guy friends and I'm having sex with all of them, like no, that's weird.
	You know what's funny?
	Europeans say making out is hooking up.
	I can see that's true.
	Actually in Croatia it's the same way.
	I don't, that's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
	But no yeah, actually.
	No, you're right, I think hooking.
	When I think hooking up, I think sex.
	Yeah yeah, you made out, you didn't hook up.
	Have you had sex with any of them?
	Not my friends okay, so just random IV dudes or those you have sex with your friends.
	Yeah, because I feel like for like, I feel like it's like so intimate to do with, like my friends you know what I mean like maybe if I got there in the level like later, if I was like talking to them whatever, but like I feel like it's weird to have sex with your friends as opposed to strangers.
	Yeah, but like I'm not going around, like I'm really not going around, like having sex with all these people, like it's just like time and place and yeah, I don't know if it's your environment schedule, why not like it?
	Yeah, I want to come back really quickly to something you said.
	You said that so on the date, you'll offer to pay yeah, but if the guy takes you up on the offer, you will do it, but you will kind of be like the fuck.
	Well, it's just a bit.
	It's just a bit of a turn off.
	I'm saying if someone like is pays for it, he's like higher in my books and if we actually split it.
	So can I ask you guys a question, is communication important?
	Yes, absolutely yeah.
	So I mean, how do you reconcile what you just said with like communication being important?
	Because you're quite literally not like communicating.
	That's like that's just because you get a turnoff doesn't mean you're not communicating.
	Yeah, that's not communicating.
	Like I'm just saying it's.
	It's a bit of a turn off, that's not not communicating.
	But that would be frustrating for me if someone offered to do something and I took the.
	I took them up on it in good faith and then they were ups.
	They were upset, or I got negative brownie points because I accepted their offer.
	I'd rather just you not even offer, to be honest.
	But I'm like, I'm a polite person, like that's like what I would do.
	Well, the polite thing would be to mean what you say and if you say that you're okay, like you're offering a split, if someone takes you up on it, you should, you should probably.
	It is bullshit to take brownie points away if they do say yeah, we can split it.
	That is, it is bullshit.
	But I do appreciate the offer, but I won't let you do it.
	But if we do split it, for whatever reason, I know you're gonna take the points away and that's bullshit.
	Well no, because you said that You wouldn't ever do it on a first date.
	Like, if we're dating, yeah, like, I'm splitting the bill, like, but I'm saying the first date, if someone asked me on a first date, like, I you just can't expect a second date if you do that.
	Like, if you actually split it, don't exp you got a 50-50 chance at getting that second date for that 50-50 bill.
	Yeah.
	I think there's never gonna be like a set medium between people.
	Like, I feel like it's preference.
	Like, some people prefer to like break the traditions and like go for half and a half, which is, like, respectable, but then there's all the way, or obviously, like, people who prefer like the traditional role of men paying for the first date.
	And, like, there's it just depends on who it is.
	I think it just goes back to who's asking who out.
	If I'm asking a dude out, like, I'll be back.
	And I'm not saying you're not okay with paying.
	Yeah, you're saying they asked you.
	They asked me out.
	Right.
	They're taking the initiative.
	So if they were communicating right, they want to take you out.
	I also think that dating in general is an investment, not only financially, but emotionally and mentally.
	So I feel like if you're not in a place for all three, not saying that you're going to be doing it the whole time, but if you're asking someone out with the intention of investing in them, whether it be mentally, romantically, emotionally, or all of the above.
	What about physically?
	What if that's the only reason you ask them out on a date?
	So that's still an investment.
	All investments considered under the same umbrella.
	That's so interesting, though, because if you are only interested in the physical, right?
	I'm just saying it happens.
	It happens.
	It happens, right?
	So in this scenario, you're only interested in the physical, right?
	And you say you always pay through your dates, right?
	It's an exchange.
	Hold on.
	Okay, I'm just going to come in here just to move things along.
	So just to kind of, you mentioned who should pay.
	Sorry.
	Whoever asks should pay.
	So around the table really quick, who do you think should pay on the first date?
	You can split, but it's nice if he pays.
	Same view with me.
	Splitting the bill is fine, but if they want to pay, it's a nice gesture.
	Okay, so who pays?
	I mean, if I offer to split the bill, they say, yeah, let's split it.
	That's what it's fine.
	Yeah.
	But it is nice when someone wants to take care of you and wants to take you out.
	It'll give me a special feeling after.
	Okay, so regardless of whoever asks, you should just, your stance is whoever it should be split.
	Regardless of who asks, splitting the bill is fine.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	I also kind of think it's like whoever.
	Sorry.
	I think it depends on who asks.
	The more polite thing is like, if you ask me on a date, it would be more polite for you to pay for it, but I'm still going to offer and I'm still down to split that cost.
	But I do, like, if I ask someone out, I'm going to pay for it.
	Like, it goes both ways.
	Like, if I slide into someone's DMs and I'm like, yeah, I want to go to dinner, I'm not going to expect them to pay, and I'm not going to like try to 50-50 it.
	That's very fair.
	I agree.
	If I ask, I'm paying.
	If the guy asks, he's paying.
	I mean, you know where I stand, but I think we're all agreeing.
	Here, just straight, straight away.
	We're all like, we would split, but it is nice if they pay.
	I think that's like what everyone is saying.
	Yeah.
	Okay, but so.
	Because everyone's like, we'll split, but I think rather than taking brownie points away if they don't pay, they get brownie points if they want to treat you.
	It's literally a cup half full versus empty situation.
	It's the same thing.
	Okay.
	I think it's a case-by-case basis.
	On what?
	On what?
	I mean, I'd probably be less inclined to want to split with somebody that I was on a horrible date with or somebody that was disrespectful or didn't treat me well.
	You'd be less inclined to be able to do that.
	That's more inclined.
	I would be more.
	Get out of my face.
	I don't know, you know then?
	No, no, it's on me.
	And I, because I've gone both ways.
	I have paid for dates and I have had dates paid for.
	I've split.
	It just, like I said, it depends on the connection, in my opinion.
	See, I am just too much of a gentleman, and I pride myself on that.
	I grew up always being a fan of the James Bond movies and the James Bond lifestyle.
	I mean, that's why I love wearing suits.
	I'm 27 now, and I've always wanted to be in a stage of my life where I wear a suit because I want to, not because I have to.
	So, being a gentleman is part of, I believe in male and gender roles.
	So, picking up the first bill, opening the car door.
	Stuff you should do.
	If you want to court a woman, a high-value woman, this is what you do.
	Okay, so a couple of you guys said whoever asks should pay, right?
	Some of you would maybe agree with that.
	Whoever asks should pay.
	So, I'm going to ask: have you ever asked a guy out on the date?
	Yes.
	And I paid.
	Yeah, I have.
	I have not.
	But you earlier said that whoever asks should pay.
	Yeah, well, I've never actually gone on a date.
	So that's just in the future.
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	In the future.
	It's in the works.
	Okay.
	Would you pay?
	If I asked, 100% I'd pay.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	You've never been on a date.
	That's fair.
	I mean, you are in college.
	I feel like how most interactions go in college, it's like meet at the party, come over, blah, blah, blah.
	So go ahead.
	Yeah, I've asked someone on a date.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I have, and I've paid before.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Stop the cat.
	There's a lot of cap in here.
	No, don't ask.
	Come on.
	All right.
	Let me get these soup chats here.
	Okay, so did we do that one?
	Okay, we got Zorce lost with the $10 soup chat.
	Ladies, are you a 304?
	Do you want to be a 304?
	So why do women defend promiscuity with their life when you know it's wrong?
	A promiscuous woman equals 304.
	A man equals a 304.
	Maker, your past body count matters to a man.
	Yeah.
	Do you want me to ask this?
	Do any of you want to be promiscuous?
	I want to be perceived as slightly promiscuous on my, I want to be perceived as slightly promiscuous, more promiscuous than I am because I naturally am not at all on my social media because it increases the money that I make month by month.
	But I have very strong boundaries where I'm like, I can't do this because it makes me feel weird.
	I could never like actually film myself like mat, can we say that?
	Masturbating?
	Or anything like that?
	Because it's more like personal and stuff.
	So I feel like I want to be more promiscuous because I think it would make me money.
	I should learn how to be more promiscuous.
	But at the current moment, I'm not.
	Wait, just curious for the two that are content creators.
	Are you guys okay disclosing how much you guys make from OF or your content creation total?
	Like monthly or yearly or monthly, yearly.
	You can give a range.
	Averages.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	Best one.
	I was making like $21K a month.
	Okay.
	My best month has been like $34K.
	$34K?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Cheers to that.
	Okay.
	So do you want to be promiscuous?
	No.
	I mean, I'm not going to be like sleeping around, but I do think it's important to be open about your sexuality.
	Like, I'm going to talk about it on the internet.
	I'm going to talk to my friends about it.
	But I'm not like fucking everyone.
	Yeah, no.
	Let's just have fun, but not in like a, like, too much, you know?
	Sure.
	No.
	Was the question to be waiting?
	Was the question to be asked?
	Was asked.
	Was the question asked, do you want to be perceived as promiscuous or do you want to be promiscuous?
	Do you want to actually be promiscuous?
	No.
	Okay.
	Not at this moment.
	All right.
	I suppose that addresses the Zorstloss question.
	I guess I answered wrong then, because I want to beat in cheeks with the $10 Super Chat.
	Cybergirl, why would you leave the cybersecurity world where it is extremely profitable, less demeaning, and very respectable for OF?
	That is the complete opposite and shameful to your hubby prospects.
	Very interesting question.
	Okay, I get this all the time.
	So basically, I was making a fraction of what I make at my cybersecurity job.
	I was grinding there for three years.
	Alex is a witness to this and constantly complaining about how I was working overtime and not really getting anywhere.
	The company was all men except for me, and it was a struggle.
	And then I started doing content creation first, not lewd, just doing cosplays and stuff.
	Did really well.
	Made a Patreon, started making three times what I was making monthly at my cybersecurity job, but I kept that job for six months until I had a solid savings that could get me through a year without any job.
	And then I switched to fully doing OF, and then my income just took off.
	I started making 10, sometimes 15 times more than what I was making there.
	And yeah.
	All right.
	Dave on Jackson, thank you for the $20 Super Chat.
	Beating Cheeks is not wrong.
	Thank you, man.
	Beat in Cheeks with a $50 Super Chat.
	Thank you, man.
	I'll spend more money on this podcast than on any OF or first dates, and I'm disease-free, successful.
	Oh, okay.
	This was the TTS.
	Hey, beat in cheeks.
	Thank you, man.
	Really appreciate the support.
	Yo, Frankie Kay, thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
	OF Girls, are you concerned about how a man might feel about your current hustle?
	Would you ever tell him?
	And are you looking for anything serious right now?
	Or are you going to wait until after you hit the wall?
	Do you want to answer first?
	Yeah, so I am always super open about what I do for work.
	I'm not going to hide that just because I know that it is a deal breaker for a lot of people.
	I have been, like, my five-year relationship, he knew what I did, and it made him super uncomfortable.
	And so I ended the relationship because it's just in the same way that I wouldn't tell someone, like, if they have a travel job, that they need to get rid of that because I don't like them being gone.
	Like, someone's not going to tell me and have me follow through with limiting my job prospects.
	So, like, I always disclose it.
	It has been a problem before, but I feel like if someone's going to judge me for my content creation, especially as a lewd creator, like, that's silly, and that's not someone I want to associate with.
	I'm kind of the same way.
	I immediately disclose that I'm a content creator, and I've only had people show interest in helping shoot for me.
	I think that it helps, honestly, if I'm being very, very honest, that I don't do full nudity or any pornographic content.
	I think that makes the men I date more comfortable with it.
	And I think it also helps that I haven't dated a lot of people and that I am, in general, just like risless.
	So, like, they, I think, sense my awkwardness and realize that it's just a way to make money for me and not really anything else.
	Sweet.
	By the way, Eric, just a reminder: 20 and up, guys, guys, we're going to, for all the super chats, 20 and up from here on out, just so we keep the show flowing.
	Thank you to everybody who super chatted.
	20 and up from here on out.
	Okay, so we have, let's see, Bernito Sandriguez with the $10 Super Chat.
	I'm requesting for $10 that my man dress as a chat room avatar stops wearing sunglasses inside the night.
	You don't like the Top G's sunglasses, huh?
	Okay, Bonham.
	Can we see?
	At least give him a little preview of the baby blues.
	Don't want to blind anybody.
	Ooh.
	I was signed to two of the three top model agencies in the world for a reason.
	Oh, wow.
	Like Ford models and Wilhelmina models?
	That's a good one, right?
	I'm not familiar with the modeling word, but it helps.
	Okay.
	Yo, we have Flan Life.
	Thank you for the Canadian $10 man.
	Brian always has the Huey Lewis and the news CD on deck.
	You got it.
	Yo, Zorislos, thank you for the $10 super chat.
	Chivalry is dead.
	Women killed it.
	Being a gentleman means we are unequal fellas.
	Take them on a really cheap date until they earn your chivalry.
	Why is it bad to talk about the truth in Comifornia?
	Yeah.
	Flan Life with the Canadian 50.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	If she doesn't help on the first date, she doesn't get a rezzo at Dorsey.
	All right.
	There you go.
	He's speaking the facts.
	Yo, we got Dr. B84 with the $20 Soup Chat.
	Most men complaining about getting women and most women complete.
	Wait, hold on.
	Most men complain about getting women and most women complain about keeping men around and or getting commitment and LTR.
	definitely true man thank you for the uh i think this is the first time i've seen you in the chat men welcome in Really appreciate the support.
	Thank you for the $20 Sup Chat.
	Yeah, 100%.
	Actually, really quick on this.
	Yeah, I think that's pretty common.
	Most men struggle to get women, and I think a lot of women struggle to keep men.
	So, Dave On Jackson with the $10 Super Chat.
	She's basically asking if you would expect your potential girlfriend to cut off her roster for you.
	Yes, he literally just said he tends to talk to one girl at a time himself.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate the super chat.
	Yo, big $50 super chat.
	Why the F would you expect a man to be okay that you have a fuck, whatever, I'll just say fuck buddy since you have been, you've been fucking them for a long time.
	Word?
	I don't know if I think this is directed at you.
	Do you want to respond?
	Wait, no, no, no.
	Well, this was this was there.
	It's unknowing.
	It's a piece of information that he wouldn't know.
	I'm just saying, unknowingly, would he expect you to basically not be seeing anyone for months before going on a first date with him?
	Was my question.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That was a response to.
	Yo, Gus, thank you for the $10 super chat.
	They say they don't want the player, but that's who they hook up with, and that's most of their exes.
	Dende make the nice guy deal with the baggage.
	After being ran through, your past body count matters to men.
	Word.
	Yeah.
	Word.
	But that's who they hook up with, and that's most of their exes.
	Oh, they make the nice guy.
	Yeah, I mean, that's what happens.
	Basically, you know, you spend your 20s hooking up with a bunch of dudes, hot guys, whatever.
	They're not going to commit to you.
	Then you're going to make your husband his, you're going to make your husband miserable because fucking trauma from 10 years of getting ran through and then settle down with a nice guy, then divorce him five years later, take half his shit, and then he'll probably delete himself.
	Okay.
	Flan Life with the Canadian $10.
	Thank you, man.
	Got a PTFO.
	What's that?
	Pack the fuck up.
	I have work tomorrow, believe it or not.
	Hope everyone has a good night.
	Cheers from the 6.
	Canada.
	Yo, Flan Life, thank you, man.
	Thank you for all the support.
	Appreciate you, man.
	Frankie Kay with the $10 Super Chat.
	Women can't change their body count like men can't change their height or hairline.
	Your actions have consequences, ladies.
	Save your gift for men who deserve it.
	We can smell high counts a mile away.
	Thank you for getting it.
	You can change your hairline now.
	Well, yeah, but that requires surgery.
	Tristan Tate just got a hair transplant, funny enough.
	All those guys, yeah, yeah, yeah, they all got, yeah.
	But yeah.
	I mean, really quick on the body count thing to address his super chat.
	Do you guys think, just quick yes or no, do you guys think body count should matter?
	Or actually, let me frame it like this.
	Do you take issue, would you take issue with a guy caring about body count?
	I would only care if his body count was really high and he was somehow upset about my meager shit.
	But like, if I had a high body count, I would take issue with him being upset if he also had a high body count.
	However, if he was coming at me with a low normal body count and I had a high body count, I could understand him not being as interested in me because he feels I have way more experience.
	Yeah.
	I think it's all about communication.
	Right.
	See, you guys think that it's okay for guys to have a high body count.
	It doesn't matter.
	It don't matter.
	Well, it's a bit different.
	Why?
	Why?
	Because that's a double standard.
	For men to get a woman, it's a challenge.
	For you to get a man, it's who wants it.
	Okay.
	Maybe that's just a young man.
	But however.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I have a very counter-challenge for me, my dear.
	I have a very good counter to that.
	The men who have the highest body counts are the most valuable, high-value men.
	So they are more capable of getting women than other men.
	And that makes them on the same playing field as the women.
	I agree with that.
	I agree with that.
	Thank you.
	Let me just, okay, so it kind of comes down to this supposed, supposed alleged double standard.
	Here's the difference, though.
	Most women can sleep with most men.
	Most men cannot sleep with most women.
	An average woman has the equivalent, let's say, negotiating power or the equivalent pull as a famous male.
	As a male, to have the same pull with women that women have, that an average woman has with men, you must be famous.
	That's the power.
	You disagree.
	You could sleep with a new guy every single day of the week if you were so inclined.
	For the rest of your life.
	Although, I wouldn't say you're average looking, but I mean, an average woman, even a woman less attractive than you, could sleep with a new guy every single day of the week.
	In order to pull that off as a guy, you have to...
	People can make those choices, but I wouldn't say most people are.
	Men or women.
	But whether they're acting on it or not, Eric, by the way, can you open the door, please?
	Whether they're acting on it or not, it doesn't matter.
	The potentiality is still there.
	My question is potentiality.
	Let me look it up.
	I'll tell you what, if it is a real word, you have to, I don't know.
	If it is a real word, you have to do a fit check.
	The whole...
	Ah, it's a real word.
	Okay, fit check.
	Am I actually going to do a fit check?
	We're actually doing a fit check.
	Here's the fit, y'all.
	Wait.
	We didn't see it.
	Woo!
	Wait, a little spin?
	A whole spin.
	A whole spin.
	We got to see a little spin.
	$360.
	Oh, just scoot the chair back.
	That's fine.
	Fit check.
	Yay!
	Okay, the potentiality of that fit check was...
	The potentiality of the fit check has...
	Fantastic.
	Fantastical potential.
	Okay, anyways.
	I don't know where I was on there, but.
	What I want to know is why a man is going to be so concerned about a body count or decisions that a woman made prior to knowing him, because there's so many factors that could go into that.
	There could be childhood trauma, sexual trauma, so on and so on, that triggers promiscuity.
	It doesn't undo.
	Okay.
	I'm not saying it needs to undo, but why should that matter?
	Decisions that you made prior to knowing.
	Okay.
	If you rob a liquor store at gunpoint, if you did it because you had childhood trauma, it doesn't undo the fact that you have just committed the felony and you're about to spend a lot of time in prison.
	So just because the reasons, it doesn't undo.
	Right, but if you serve your time, you do your therapy, you can't do it.
	Yeah, you're taking the example there.
	No, yeah, because your example is a bit stretched because we're talking about decisions made in the past.
	So say you meet a woman that served time for whatever crime that she did.
	She served the time, she's out, she's working, I don't know, phenomenal job, she makes great money, she has a whole life ahead of her.
	Something that happened potentially when she was 18 or 19 does not reflect her success as a 20, 30 year old.
	Let's just use this example.
	Your future jobs are going to see that and they're going to take that into consideration if they're going to hire you.
	Not always, it depends on the industry.
	I know I do have friends that have done time that are currently working six-figure jobs and up with criminal records.
	Well, they're still taking it into consideration.
	But clearly not enough if they're hiring.
	Well, what I would, I mean, there's plenty of scenarios where in this situation where having a criminal record is going to can have some negative ramifications.
	The comparison I would make is, can you still be successful if you have an extensive criminal record and make a lot of money?
	Yes.
	Is it probably going to bar you for life from certain type of jobs?
	Yes.
	And correspondingly, if we kind of make the connection here, being promiscuous in your past may very well prevent you from a high-value guy taking you seriously for a long-term commitment and wifing you.
	If you had a promiscuous past, a lot of men are going to look at that and say, I'm not going to take the risk.
	And let me ask you this question.
	Losing half of your shit in 20 years.
	So you're correlating past promiscuity with gold digging.
	No, They've actually done, there's been multiple studies on this.
	The more premarital sexual partners that you've had, the higher likelihood of divorce, the higher likelihood of infidelity, and the greater likelihood of reporting relationship and marriage dissatisfaction.
	From just the woman's side or from a man's side too?
	From both, but it's more pronounced in women.
	So for both men and women, the more premarital sexual partners you've had, it's a greater indicator for divorce, but it's more pronounced in women.
	I think it was something like past three bodies, it drops.
	The chance of divorce goes up by 15%.
	Wasn't it five?
	I remember five.
	It's either three or four.
	I think it's after six.
	That's when it's like a pretty major thing.
	But okay, let's talk about, you know, how you can change.
	Six in your whole life?
	Let me ask you a question though.
	You say you can change, right?
	Your body count, that's your past.
	Let's say you found out you're interested in starting to date a guy.
	You somehow find out, maybe he admits it, maybe you hear from through the grapevine, that every single ex he had, he cheated on them.
	It's his past.
	It's a pattern.
	But are you going to take pause?
	I don't know.
	If I heard about a girl and she cheated on every single one of her exes, she might not do it with me.
	She might not, but I'm not going to take that risk.
	Okay, this is where I can understand what you're saying, and that's a great point.
	However, I would like to also say, so, for example, the difference in making decisions like that when you're in a relationship as opposed to when you're single, I think that that is also something to factor in.
	When you are single, you have the freedom to hook up with or date around or sleep with whoever you want.
	Maybe you have a really crappy dating history and you I know a girl that falls very fast for guys and she sleeps with them fairly quickly and most of them don't work out, but her body count went up fairly quickly.
	What is it?
	What's her body count?
	Her body count, I don't know her exact number anymore, but when her and I were friends, at that point it was, I want to say in the 70s.
	It's me right now.
	Yo, send the asteroid.
	70.
	God damn.
	Holy shit.
	Okay.
	But she also, you know, she prior to her having a large body count, she was in a long-term relationship and she was engaged and she ended the engagement because she realized that's not somebody she wanted to be with for the rest of her life.
	That was prior to her ever having a large body count.
	That was, I think, her first five in her body count from what she told me.
	So she went from being engaged with five bodies to 70 plus?
	Yes.
	And how is her struggle for finding a new potential husband been going?
	She's now in a committed relationship of the past few years.
	But see, that's the thing, is the exception doesn't make the rule.
	We need to keep that in mind.
	Just because she got lucky and found somebody that she's not going to be able to do that.
	She's not lucky.
	I honestly hate.
	Dating is pretty lucky at this point.
	I mean, maybe to you, but it's a case-by-case basis, in my opinion.
	We can't, this is the problem with dating and stereotypes and statistics is we're going off of, well, 70% of men this and 30% of women that.
	We can't do that when going into, it's like the same thing if it's like you're taking your past hurt and trauma into every new date and relationships.
	You're never going to find somebody successfully if you're bringing this past hurt with you.
	Well, let me just say one thing in defense of Cade here.
	There's no luck involved in Cade's romantic pursuits.
	Cade is a sniper.
	he sees he gets that but uh okay so he's on a mission It's a mission.
	I know I was going around the table on one question.
	I don't know if it was like the who pays or I think we had moved on to something else.
	Something about being, do you want to be promiscuous?
	I think we got that.
	We got that one.
	Okay, let's do the super chats.
	Okay, we have, let's see.
	Did we do this one from Dayvon?
	Yes.
	Wait.
	No.
	Yo, Dave On Jackson, thank you for the $20 Super Chat.
	These girls trying to defend being a 304 so bad has me.
	I'm out for the night.
	That girl Jade from the other show being newly celibate and therapy is why guys avoid girls with a promiscuous past.
	The trauma is unavoidable.
	Hey, Dayvon, thank you for tuning in.
	Have a good night, man.
	Appreciate you.
	And yeah, that was kind of crazy, her trajectory there from 26 to virgin to major trauma, 30 body count or something, 20, 30.
	I don't know what it was, but lies and politics, $10 super chat.
	Does Andrew Tate being convicted as a Jesus Christ?
	Everything he's ever said, or will there be more grifters to follow?
	First off, he hasn't been convicted.
	He's been detained slash arrested.
	I don't know if it's detained or arrested.
	I don't know the terminology in Romania, but there's been some disputing reports.
	Two of the victims have come forward and said we were in a business relationship with him.
	We were engaged.
	We were not romantically engaged, but we were engaged in business with him doing OnlyFans.
	He was our manager.
	This is, we didn't even want to be victim like so.
	And the funny thing about that is two of the women that they're wanting to use on the Romanian television have actually came forth and said, we are not victims.
	That's who I'm talking about.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so, look, who knows?
	If he's found guilty, then he's guilty.
	But so I believe that guy is innocent until proven guilty.
	Yo, Jay, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
	Brian, they're lying about reality.
	If you ask your friends, let's go to X, thank you, man.
	Are you expected to pay for them?
	No.
	No one does this in 99% of cases.
	Saying, let's go out doesn't mean you're expected to pay.
	Yeah, this is actually a really good point because you think, think about it, like with your friends.
	Let's say one of your girlfriends was like, hey, listen, would you like to go?
	Oh, shit.
	Let's say one of your girlfriends says, hey, would you like to go on a trip with me to Hawaii?
	If she asks you that, are you expecting her to pay for your flight and pay for everything?
	It's not a romantic person.
	I feel like if I do that, I wouldn't expect him to pay for my flight and everything either.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah, but also dates and friendship dates are not a romantic pursuit.
	Okay.
	But, I mean.
	Oh, birth control alarm.
	My work alarm.
	Okay.
	Let me get these other soup chats here.
	Getting a lot.
	Yeah.
	Yo.
	Lies in politics.
	Thank you for the $20 soup chat.
	Sex should only happen for the purposes of procreation within the context of marriage.
	Return to the one true holy apostolic church and repent of your wicked ways before it's too late.
	I think he's trolling a little bit.
	He's bringing up my Catholic school trauma right now.
	See, here's the thing about that.
	And I have a friend, a very good friend who's 27 and a virgin, and she's very attractive.
	She'll be waiting until she's married.
	But the thing is, I just, that's very admirable, and I respect her a lot, but I don't think it's wise to buy a car without test driving it.
	You might have zero sexual chemistry with somebody.
	You could be, you have amazing personal chemistry.
	And Martin Super Chatted $50.
	We are in trouble as a society.
	Marriage rates, birth rates, lower than ever in history.
	Divorce, antidepressants, slash anxiety meds higher than ever before in history.
	Most unhappy demo human.
	Single.
	Thank you.
	I got cut off.
	Yeah, I know.
	TTS is weird.
	I'll pull it back up.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Someone was.
	Okay, let me pull this back up.
	So hold on, Eric.
	Yeah, we have lies in politics.
	So, I mean, I disagree.
	Sex can be for fun, bonding, recreation, like, but I do think people should try to err less so on having sex casually and try to not rack up a high body count and try to keep your body count low.
	And actually, if you're going to have sex with someone, want to pursue a relationship with them.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, we got volleyball tastes good.
	Thank you for the $25 super chat.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	What does it take for a 5'5 guy to be attractive?
	Act like you're 6'3.
	Yeah, humor.
	Confidence is key.
	Act the same way.
	Confidence is key.
	That's it.
	Just be 5'5 ⁇ , and confident.
	Really quick on this, we'll go around the table really quick, guys.
	So what's your height?
	And do you have a height requirement?
	What's your bare minimum for a guy's height?
	I'm 5'6, and I've dated somebody who is an inch and a half shorter than me, and it wasn't really a problem.
	I still thought I was super hot.
	I'm 5'2.
	I've dated someone who's 5'8, and that's probably the requirement.
	Bare minimum.
	5'8, bare minimum?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'7, and I honestly don't care about height as long as they don't make it their entire personality, that they're either like really tall or really short, because that's like the weird confidence thing where it's like that's just a weird issue that they have, and it's not gonna go away.
	That's so true.
	I'm 4'11, and I will say, like, 5'7.5 to 5'8.
	Wait, hold on.
	You're 4'11 ⁇ ?
	Yeah.
	Thank you, thank you.
	I will give myself maybe like worth 11 and a half.
	I wear a lot of platforms.
	Give a path.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm 5'8, and I have dated someone that's 5'10.
	So that's your bare minimum, 5'10?
	Okay.
	Bring the music back.
	I am 4'11 and a half.
	I'm waiting for my queue.
	Where's the music?
	Hold on.
	I got something for you.
	Hold on.
	I'm sorry, that half.
	Why did that sound like pig squealing?
	That was so.
	You've never heard that before.
	Did you get it out?
	I've got to put up on my lap.
	You've never heard that before.
	That literally sounds like a pig squeal.
	That works.
	Well, the half counts.
	Yes, the shortest I've ever dated was 5'7, but I'd probably say anywhere between 5'7 and 5'8 would be the shortest.
	Okay.
	Kid, what about you?
	See, I actually like the taller women because if I'm going to date you seriously and take you into consideration long term, I'm thinking about my children in the future.
	I'm trying to breed D1 model athletes.
	So 5'7 is minimum.
	Between 5'7, 5'10, 5'11, I've had exes that are 6'6'2.
	So as long as they're shorter than me, I mean, you don't have to be, but I prefer it.
	Word.
	Yeah, honestly, if her height doesn't start with four, she ain't the one.
	Oh, you like the shorties?
	I like the shorties.
	That's a good idea.
	If her height doesn't, what's that?
	No, if her, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we got, I mean, I don't really care, honestly.
	But do I have a slight preference for like short girls?
	Yes, I do.
	So it's okay to have a preference.
	That's what you're saying.
	It's okay for you to have a preference.
	It's okay for us to have a preference.
	It's chill.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think it's fine.
	As long as it's not the whole personality.
	I think it's fine.
	I mean, here's the thing, though.
	I'll date a girl who's taller than me.
	So it's not like for some women, it's like, must be this tall, or definitely won't date a guy shorter than me, me.
	She can be legally a midget.
	She can be a WNBA player.
	I do not care.
	Okay.
	Yo, we have Oni Nofro.
	Thank you for the Canadian $20 Super Chat.
	Why body count matters?
	Okay, simple.
	Research has shown.
	Hold on, let me pull something up real quick.
	Research has shown impaired pair bonding potentiality one equals 50%, two equals 0.25%, 3 equals 12.5%, et cetera, et cetera.
	This predisposes failure of relationships.
	History shapes the future.
	Stop making excuses.
	Yeah, I mean, the other thing too is just if your body count's high, you've had a lot of previous partner.
	You've kind of detached sex from intimacy and you're going to have a much harder time pair bonding with someone.
	If you've had 50 prior partners, your pair bonding ability is frazzled.
	So interesting, because Japan's having the exact opposite problem.
	People aren't fucking there, and nobody's getting married there or having kids either.
	So it's really kind of an interesting dichotomy.
	Well, I'm not particularly well read on the happenings in the Japanese dating.
	But basically, they're having a lot of problems with people not getting married, having kids.
	Their society isn't really moving forward.
	They're trying to have more children and stuff because of that.
	They'd love you there.
	You should move to Japan.
	You just want me to leave.
	$49.99.
	Catholic drama.
	If you're on earth, you have guilt by association irrespective of your content.
	Selling your immortals, dignity, and your future prospects will yield nothing more than the vacuous chasm between your lives.
	Vacuous chasm.
	God damn, Zentience.
	I mean, if you didn't hate me, I'd say that you have, you know, some nice literary speech in there.
	But I think that, you know, I was joking a little bit when I said Catholic trauma.
	I didn't have a bad experience at Catholic school, but it did kind of, I grew up very modest, and it did kind of push me in the direction of wanting to explore my sexuality when I grew up.
	So now that I have an OF, I don't feel that I've lost my dignity or respect or future prospects.
	If anything, I feel I have a lot more opportunities lined up because of it and, you know, like a house and stuff that I would never be able to get without it.
	So.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	All right.
	Let me get these other soup chats.
	Guys, thank you so much for all the super chats.
	Really appreciate it.
	I'm going to try to get to all of them right now.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	Yo, beat in cheeks.
	Thank you for the $20 super chat.
	Men have to earn slash work for their value.
	Women are born with their value.
	Easy to maintain by being healthy, virgin slash low body count, and you'll get a good average man or top 20% easily.
	Actually, this does kind of bring us back to the conversation we were having about the double standards.
	I don't know if we really wrapped that up in that you were complaining, or not complaining.
	You were saying how you were saying how if a guy has a high body count, he shouldn't judge a woman for having a high body count.
	And we were sort of talking about, well, there is a bit of a difference between men and women as to the double standard.
	And I think that's commonly, you know, it goes the way it's usually viewed is women are viewed as sluts and men are viewed as studs.
	That's typically how it's viewed.
	Girls are shamed for it.
	Right.
	And men are kind of like, congrats, you're a champ, you're a legend, da-da-da, whatever.
	And also, since the beginning of civilization, women have been frowned upon for being promiscuous.
	I mean, even in biblical times, I think they get stoned.
	since the dawn of history being recorded women were supposed to have one partner I would add men too well the kings back then had way more than one But I'm talking, okay, like in Western society.
	Western because of Christianity.
	So male children.
	That's a new concept, if you think about it.
	Well, 2,000 years.
	Oh, are you looking back to the caveman days?
	Only known only the couple past a couple hundred years have we really decided a monogamy is the way to go.
	Well, I'm not, I mean, Christianity has been around for over 2,000 years.
	So both male and female chastity was valued.
	But as a monogamy.
	Up until 50 years, 50, 60, 70 years ago.
	Regardless of monogamy or polygamy, the man who could get the women was still respected.
	He wasn't shown.
	Okay, so okay, you're talking like kings and sultans.
	Yeah, but the kings, every king had handmaidens and Bill Clinton.
	Huh?
	Let's talk about Bill Clinton.
	Wait, what?
	Whoa.
	Monica Lewinsky.
	Some Monica Lewinsky shit.
	Oh, a word?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Hillary stayed with me.
	Let me.
	That is true.
	Let me get these other super chats.
	Yo, Shane M, thank you for the $20 super chat.
	The fact is, all men want girls that not just any men can have, but average men have enough trouble finding women and can't force that preference.
	High-value men can because 50% of all of women are all going out for the top 20% of all men.
	I love these things.
	And the funny thing is they're all just pulling out of the middle of the middle.
	20% of all men.
	Is it 20% of men have 80% of the women or 100% of the women?
	I think it's something along the lines of, and obviously these probably are not exact numbers, but 80% of women are chasing after the top 10, top 20% of men.
	And actually, you know what?
	We do have a video on this, and we have some stats that we can pull up too.
	But Eric, why don't you pull up a video that's semi-related to this that can kind of articulate what's going on?
	Go to the videos tab.
	It's the JP.
	It should be the first one.
	Yeah, I go for it.
	Well, it seems a lot of the women's liberation movement of light, the sexual liberation and the use by it seems to advantage men more than women.
	No, no, it doesn't.
	Well, this is like the six without the resistance.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it doesn't disadvantage men.
	It disadvantages a very small proportion of hyper-successful and increasingly holiday gaming super chatted.
	Why is it that when a man talks about a girl in not so good light, they think you hate them?
	I'm sure that I can speak for most guys when I say you can do it, but we will judge.
	Oh, so you don't hate me?
	Did he say beat them?
	Hate, hate, hate.
	He said hate.
	Keep playing it.
	Sorry, guys, we had a TTS come in during the video.
	Because what happens is that when the sexual constraints are lifted off women, they all migrate to a very small percentage of men, 5% maybe.
	And then those men have an almost unlimited field of sexual access.
	And so you could say that's a benefit to them, but it's not because it trains them to be manipulative, Machiavellian, instrumental psychopaths, because all they're doing is pursuing a string of pleasure-based, hedonistic, short-term relationships.
	That's bad training if you want to be a reciprocal human being and if you want to learn how to participate in a real relationship.
	So, and then it's catastrophe for the women because none of those men are incentivized to form anything that approximates a long-term relationship.
	And then the rest of the men are left with nothing.
	Yeah, so that's disastrous in society.
	Disastrous, yeah, it's disastrous, Chris.
	Any reaction to that, anybody?
	Gotta love Jordan Peterson.
	Yeah, so basically what's kind of happening now, you've what was the term you used?
	It was something deregulated the sexual marketplace.
	So when that happens, basically, and we have the data to back this up from dating apps.
	How do most people meet nowadays?
	Online.
	They meet on dating apps.
	Women swipe no on like 90% of guys.
	They're all swiping on the same guys.
	So all those guys at the top, they're going to get all the girls.
	There's no incentive for them to commit.
	So they're going to keep you around for sex, but they'll never commit to you.
	Men will sleep down.
	So we'll sleep with a girl who's less attractive than us because sex.
	Why not?
	And then, but those guys won't commit.
	So women are chasing after these really attractive guys.
	And it's so it's, he said.
	He says it's bad for those guys and I don't know where I stand on that but it's bad for most women and it's bad for most men.
	Ultimately because and we see it playing out people aren't getting into relationships and we see a rise in male like Eric, can you pull up that, that thing from the Washington POST, the study they did with the who's reported sexlessness in the past?
	You know what's crazy?
	They say that by 2030, 50% of women will be single.
	See that we're all dating each other.
	No, on the loan, that's.
	We're all over the men population.
	That's why we're single.
	Wait what I said, because we're all over the male population.
	What's left?
	Well, you're over the 10 or 20 percent of men that are treating you poorly, which is most of the population.
	Twenty twenty percent is not most of the population.
	No, I'm saying the way that they act, and we're over that.
	The way that they act, a good majority of them.
	It's gotten really old.
	The same game okay, but have you ever said that the guy's too nice?
	Have I ever said that somebody's too nice?
	I don't know if I've said they're too nice.
	See as the guy that used to be too nice.
	You can't be too nice.
	They don't want it.
	I've given nice guys a chance okay, but why is then then?
	Why is there a trope of women being attracted to bad boys and jerks and assholes?
	You got women.
	Women are the hold on.
	Women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	You choose who you sleep with.
	If you're consistently sleeping with shitty men, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
	You disregard the guys that would be loyal, good partners, but they don't excite you.
	How often do you hear a girl say, I didn't feel the connection, I didn't feel the vibe, I didn't feel the chemistry, there wasn't a click.
	You're looking for some sort of excitement that only guys who are either assholes, jerks or bad boys are going to be able to elicit.
	Again, I think that's subjective.
	I, personally speaking, I have given nice guys a chance and I have definitely felt a connection with douchebags.
	I felt a connection with guys that were awesome, but I think that the I think that there should be a form of excitement, no matter who they are, whether they're nice or they're not.
	There should be something to look forward to.
	Do you think a good relationship, a long-lasting relationship, the foundation of that has anything to do with how excited someone makes you.
	I don't know if excited is the word.
	Well, women live their life based on they crave drama.
	If you have, you have to bring drama to a woman's life in some shape, way or form.
	No, women crave drama.
	They, they.
	What do they do when they get together?
	And they?
	They're hit with their friends.
	They talk about other girls, they talk about everybody's very violent.
	I think it's important to be with somebody that that you can learn from and that you can also teach and is willing to learn from you as well, and more about intellectual intellectuality, as opposed to being too nice or being too mean, and I don't think excitement would be the word.
	You're like turned on by smartness?
	Yeah intellectuals yeah, absolutely intellect, and I don't know like somebody that's actually goal driven and going towards something.
	I mean I kind of disagree with the whole.
	Are you talking about ambition?
	Ambitious men?
	Yeah honestly, I don't think women really care all that much about ambition, but we're telling you we do.
	Let me qualify my statement.
	Women are attracted to ambitious men who have reaped the rewards of said ambition.
	Not trusting.
	That's very notable.
	I am the most ambitious man in Santa Barbara.
	Okay, man.
	That's not true at all either.
	Women aren't.
	I'm pretty damn ambitious.
	Yes, sure.
	Women aren't busting down the door to date me because of my ambition.
	They don't.
	It's not like someone's goal-oriented.
	That's a huge turn-on.
	Like, do you date that?
	Like, in your day, like, do you, are you like, like, do you express that you are ambitious?
	Will he?
	No, that's weird to say, by the way, I'm not sure.
	But then a girl just isn't going to know.
	You know what I mean?
	But also, they're going to know.
	Look around.
	You can see.
	Ambition is going to be a little bit more than that.
	But actually, whatever she doesn't know.
	Maybe it goes back to you splitting the bill on the first.
	Yeah, that you exhibit your ambition from your behavior and the things you talk about in the way you present yourself.
	I think the ultimate thing, if I can do a little psychoanalysis, that might be preventing someone like you from attaining your dream girl is just that you have this block where you think about so much about body count, so much about her being a high-value woman, instead of just going to the date, finding someone you connect with, and then seeing like, could I build a family with this person?
	Is this someone who's going to be loyal to me, accountable, somebody I can trust?
	Will this be a good mother?
	How does she react in terrible situations?
	These are the questions that you should be asking your future partner.
	And as a woman, I'm looking for somebody also accountable.
	Am I going to need to remind him every weekend to help me with shit?
	Or is he going to be out there doing it?
	And that body count doesn't really factor in for me, even though I don't have a high body count.
	I'm just looking for somebody who's going to be my solid partner.
	You know?
	I mean, so you're saying your dating advice to me is that I'm going in with what?
	Too much expectations?
	I don't even think it's expectations.
	I think it's judgment.
	I think you're going in with me.
	Turn this into the mic, please.
	little like too much judgment instead of taking into account all these other things you're focused on these like minuscule things and you're minuscule I mean, you're just not, you're not taking body count.
	That's like so physical.
	Like, are you not too much on the past, too?
	You're not really focused as much towards someone's present and future, what they're working towards like that.
	From what you've told us.
	Okay.
	Thank you for the feedback.
	Here's what's so funny to me is I think women are unaccustomed to hearing men communicate and articulate their preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	Women are the queens, or maybe the kings, I don't know, of going for exactly what they want.
	You guys have laundry lists of criteria that a guy needs to meet.
	Y'all swipe left on like 90% of dudes.
	So you're talking about physicality.
	Women are much harsher judges of, if we're speaking of physical attraction, women are far harsher judges of men on physical attractiveness than men are towards women.
	As far as like stats, we as men, we really don't ask for a lot.
	Women will have literally a list of shit that a guy has to meet.
	He's got to be tall.
	He's got to be good looking.
	He's got to be great in bed.
	He's got to be all these things.
	We as men, we don't ask for a lot, but the things that we do ask for matter a lot.
	So it's just funny.
	Like men are not allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	Nobody said that.
	We're not saying that.
	We're just saying that.
	You played a pretty ringtone when she said she was 4'11, but when somebody else said that their preference was guys over five, seven and up, that was like not good.
	So it's just this constant.
	No, no, no.
	nothing i don't have a i i acknowledge that women are more attracted to men that are taller i don't But you're saying that men have less preferences and women have more.
	But when we went around the table and compared just this very small test group, you know, all of us said, I said I would dated a guy shorter than me and loved him.
	We went around and said, you know, just slightly taller or whatever.
	And then you play, you really like women who are 4'11 and said that's your preference highly.
	So it's just kind of like we should we all have preferences.
	We're human beings.
	And sorry, sorry.
	So why don't we just $99 and make sense to the girl?
	And yes, I mean girl.
	I have been in SoCal for a while and the egregious rampant vanity and mental disorders here pale far in comparison to your delusion.
	No HBM will claim someone with that past.
	No high value man will claim someone with that past that you deem worthy.
	Only cats and box wine await for you.
	I'm so excited for that.
	Dude, Zentience, hey, thank you for the big $100 super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I need to tweak the TTS a bit.
	I think it cuts off after $100.
	Yes.
	Thank you, baby.
	You're such a good boy.
	Do you want to blow him a kiss?
	You're looking to Eric, can you hide that?
	Which one?
	This camera right here.
	You're such a good boy.
	Whoa.
	Say that again.
	For a $99 super chat, man.
	Oh, okay.
	Don't tempt him to a good time.
	Okay, so just to bring it back, you were saying something about the height and how I would.
	I just think it's comparable.
	We have preferences that are comparable, and I don't think that women have tons more preferences than guys.
	I just think that we're looking for somebody who's not going to be judgy, who's going to just kind of be authentic and have motivated.
	At least that's what I'm looking for.
	I'm looking for a motivated guy who's going to help me with my business and build his own.
	And just kind of like, I want to grow with someone basically.
	I think it's entirely fine to have preferences, whether you're a man or woman.
	It's just upsetting to women when men only see us as our bodies and our body targets.
	Your body count doesn't have to necessarily do with your body.
	That is like its behavior.
	It depends on how you value women.
	What's the first word of that?
	Yeah.
	No, no, no, but body count, if you've slept aside from sexually transmitted diseases, which we can talk about, having had a lot of sexual partners does not change your outward physical appearance.
	Although perhaps it's not only about physical appearance.
	It's about how you value women's bodies.
	How we value women's bodies.
	How I value their but your sexual past sexual behavior is a behavior, not your physical body.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	But when I see a guy who I'm interested in, I don't see him as just his past relationships or what he's done in the past.
	I see him as his personality, his intelligence, the way he treats people.
	You know, there's more going on.
	I certainly look at other things too, besides just a woman's body count, if you think that that's the only thing I care about.
	But if you, but you did mention that once you find out a woman's body count, it's like an eyebrow raiser and most of the time a red flag.
	Sure.
	Women have things that might be deal breakers for them too.
	Okay, but say you never knew the woman's body count in an alternate universe.
	Say you didn't know her body count, but you grew to know and love her for her and the qualities that she has that don't have to do with her sexual past.
	So you're saying I'm with a girl, the body count thing never comes up.
	We've been dating for a year, fall in love with her, and then somehow I find out she slept with 100 men before me.
	I'm a whore.
	Is that kind of what you're asking?
	Yeah.
	Goodbye.
	Goodbye.
	Wait, so do people think that if you have a lower body count, like you're automatically going to be able to get like a higher-rated guy?
	Or like you're any better alone?
	I don't think those two things correlate.
	Wait, can you repeat that?
	I saw a comment earlier, and somebody was saying, like, if you have a lower body count, like, you're more likely to get with the top 20% of men.
	Wait, hold on.
	Like, with a lower body count.
	If a girl has a lower body count, she's more likely to get with a high-value man.
	Yeah, high-value man.
	I disagree with that because let's just put into example the girls in LA.
	I'd say they have a lot higher body counts than other girls in, say, Wyoming.
	And who's dating those guys in LA, the high-value ones, the girls with high body counts, just because of their looks, regardless of the body counts?
	LA guys are not high-value.
	So what I would say is that if you have a low body count, men will recognize that and that will be something that they value in a partner for long-term commitment.
	I think you asked most men.
	That's a major plus if you have a low body count.
	It's like relationships is more likely to be stronger if a female has a lower body count.
	We're probably, okay, so a lot of guys, when it comes to just like, for me, even if it's something casual, which I'm not particularly interested in, I'm not interested in one-night stands.
	It doesn't interest me.
	If I want to sleep with someone, if I want to have sex with someone, I want a continuity.
	I want to keep seeing them.
	But a lot of guys will tell you for casual sex, for friends with benefits, body count, whatever.
	But for marriage, for wife, for kids, for long-term relationship, that's when they're going to care a lot more about your past promiscuity.
	So I would say, yes, if you have a low body count, you are going to be much more appealing to a high-value man, let's say.
	Okay, let's ask, I'm going to ask this question then.
	Say you were dating a girl and she has a body count of six people, but four of those six people were married men or her best friend's boyfriend or something like that.
	But you don't know that information.
	All you know is that her body count is six.
	I still only care that it's six.
	I don't care.
	No.
	Wait, can you just repeat the last part?
	So she's the guys were married.
	What was the other part of it?
	Okay, so you don't know the details behind the information of the body count being six.
	All you know is that her body count is six and you're comparing it to a girl with a body count of say 20 who they've all been guys that she was either interested in or dated in some form.
	You like you're gonna say that you would rather say goodbye immediately to the girl with 20 as opposed to the girl that has a body count of six, but four of the six were married men or her best friend's boyfriend or something like that.
	She's still been ran through less.
	At the end of the day, she's still been ran through less.
	But she's made horrible decisions.
	We all make bad mistakes.
	But she's made less decisions.
	That's what you said quality, equality over quantity.
	Is that what you're saying?
	The whole argument started talking about whether this was about bodies or not.
	And the argument was that it's actually about sexual choices.
	And so it's a sexual choice whether or not you're going to sleep with your friend's husband.
	It's a sexual choice if you're going to cheat on your partner.
	Those are terrible sexual choices.
	That's the point she's making.
	However, you're saying that- That's a morality issue, not a set.
	Right.
	Right.
	Even if she did that with six people, horrible moral choices, you're saying that you'd still prefer her over somebody who's been with 20 guys that were normal moral hookups.
	So you choose a cheater.
	Her value is still, if we're going to get a little.
	So that means it's about the body.
	The body count?
	You see what I'm saying?
	You see what I'm saying?
	I don't even know.
	Okay, getting?
	It's not about the quality.
	It's not about the quality versus quantity when it comes to a woman.
	It's about the quantity.
	You wanted to come in?
	Go ahead.
	No, I was trying to explain to you because you look so confused.
	Like, girl, you're seeing two girls.
	One girl has gone with like 20 people, but they were just like regular guys, whatever, like met their dating apps, like normal people.
	But this other girl has a body count of six, but each of those people have been like a home wrecker case, like best friend's boyfriend, a married dude.
	Like they were very immoral choices.
	But it's still lower than 20.
	Like, which matters more to you?
	If she was cheating, if she had changed.
	But you didn't know that information.
	All you knew were the body counts.
	You knew 20 and 6.
	Well, I didn't know that.
	The entire argument is invalid because you'd have to assume that you knew that information to get it.
	No, I think it matters if you know.
	If you know, but we're not going to know.
	Okay, but the point of it is it's like you are then dismissing women for their body count just based on a number and not based on the choices made with the number.
	Like how many times have people?
	They still have a choice.
	They still made choices.
	They still made less choices than the person.
	Is anyone in the chat confused?
	Okay, I'm sure everyone is.
	I'm a little confused.
	so you're comparing i mean it's kind of you're comparing a woman with a low body count who's cheated on her partner to a woman who's has a 20 body count but she's never cheated like it's just kind of like 20 versus six how about how about i would just prefer the girl with six who hasn't cheated on anybody Well, obviously, my dream is not on her.
	We were allowing you two choices to prevent.
	We're just saying how deep does body count go?
	I'm just saying, this is what I'm trying to say.
	The dismissal of the body count number regardless of the decisions made.
	So you are dismissing a woman based on how many partners she's been with and not that maybe she truly loved in comparison to somebody.
	You're just 20 guys, that's a problem.
	Depending on your age.
	20?
	How many times do you fall in love in life?
	Maybe not fall in love with you.
	And that person has seven people in their life.
	A woman could be a virgin and there could be other disqualifiers.
	There could be other, just because you're a virgin or you have an insanely low body count, that doesn't instantly guarantee you a relationship.
	So there can be other disqualifiers.
	It's not just like, oh, she's got a low body count.
	That's all that matters.
	There's other stuff.
	But I just want to bring it back to you.
	So you said that it's disheartening to hear that women value men, or sorry, men value women for their bodies?
	Yeah.
	What's the question then?
	I think we're talking about the body count, not the body.
	No, but you said bodies.
	I think a lot of men view women as physical.
	And women don't?
	I don't know.
	It's fine to have physical preferences.
	Are you talking about physical appearance?
	Not exactly, because body count isn't exactly physical appearance, but it's something physical about women.
	But so it upsets you that men care about women.
	Okay, so let's ignore body count here for a sec.
	Let's talk about physical characteristics, physical attractiveness, physical appearance.
	Does it bother you that men are attracted to women's physical appearance?
	No, no.
	It's fine to have physical preferences.
	Just saying it's upsetting when men only care about that.
	When they're not valuing women for their substance and just what they see.
	Well, okay, so now to reintroduce body count into this.
	So wouldn't a man preferring a woman with a low body count actually be valuing her substance beyond her physical appearance?
	Yeah, you could say that.
	I'm not saying it's not okay to have preferences in regards to that.
	I'm saying when men only focus on that, that's still a physical space that you're looking into.
	Let's up the number.
	Six versus 30.
	No, let's up the number.
	The girl with 30 bodies, she's been an amazing girl.
	She's never done anything wrong.
	She's never cheated on anybody.
	She's actually got her heart broken plenty of times.
	But she's still decided that 30 men were able to sleep with her versus the one with six.
	Maybe she cheated on her boyfriend, her last boyfriend.
	Maybe she hooked up with somebody who was married.
	Maybe she doesn't even know that he was married.
	So it's still at the end of the day, it's six versus 20.
	It's six versus 30.
	You made less, you made six bad decisions.
	They made 30 bad decisions.
	But why are they bad decisions?
	Why are they bad decisions if they were done through like, I don't know.
	We all make bad decisions.
	The man makes bad decisions too.
	It's not just a one-sided thing.
	Okay.
	But she's more likely to be a bad person.
	Like you said, she's a great girl, but she just has like a body count.
	I don't think those two things hold.
	I don't think having a high body count makes you a bad person.
	I think what we're trying to say is for a lot of men, and at least speaking for me, and I think this is also kids' position, if you have a high body count, if you have a promiscuous past, it precludes you from a long-term serious relationship with us.
	And also it makes it harder to bond with your partner as well.
	That girl with the six bodies, she'll have an easier time bonding with you versus the girl with 30.
	She's more likely to cheat on you.
	There's a whole bunch of reasons why body count matters.
	A whole bunch.
	Let's see, she's cheated two out of the six times, maybe?
	Let's just say she cheated on two of the six guys that she was with.
	Well, that's two bad decisions versus her being with 20 to 30 bodies.
	But didn't you say earlier that you referred to cheating as like the same way with crimes?
	You were talking about patterns repeating.
	So now are you taking back what you said earlier?
	Just because she has cheated doesn't mean she will cheat again.
	She could continue to still be a cheater.
	And at that point, you're making a choice.
	Do you want to stay with somebody who you know has cheated?
	If I knew that in general, I would probably take her way less seriously, regardless of the body count.
	Okay, so yes or no?
	Are you taking back what you said earlier?
	I don't take back anything I say, dear.
	Okay, so you're just contradicting yourself.
	I don't think I contradicted myself at all.
	Yes, you did.
	But it's all right.
	A pattern's a pattern, but are you going to be stupid enough to jump into that pattern or be the third person that she cheats on?
	Or are you going to avoid it?
	Well, two seconds ago, you just said that you would be willing to be with a girl that has cheated twice of her sex.
	I mean, I'd rather be stupid than, or it's just a point of do you want to be stupid or not?
	So do you choose to be stupid?
	You could be.
	I've made plenty of stupid decisions because I knew it was stupid.
	I did it anyway.
	Okay, so you're still contradicting yourself.
	I don't think so.
	I feel like this is why women lie about their body count.
	This is why.
	Well, I think you should be honest.
	But let me ask you a question.
	So just I want to make sure I understand what you said before.
	So you said that it bothered you or it upset you a little bit that men care so much about body count.
	I don't want to misquote you.
	I just want to know kind of what your stance is on this.
	Just using what you were saying as an example, it matters more to you that someone has slept with more people than a girl who's like cheated on.
	It makes you less special as well.
	So, what I'm saying is, if I found out and I was interested in a guy, if he had cheated on someone before, that's a huge red flag to me.
	Whereas, say, he made mistakes, like, you know, he went through a little bit of a whole phase, that's less important to me than him cheating.
	You know, well, let's bring it back to body count.
	We can compare cheat infidelity and body count or whatever.
	But so, your thing was that it and Martin super chatted $50.
	BCS of oxytocin and estrogen.
	The more partners you have adulterates or femininity, it makes you more jaded, disconnected, pessimistic.
	Trauma develops us.
	It scars you.
	That's how trauma acts through the filter.
	Through the filter of testosterone versus estrogen.
	Sorry, we got to fix the TTS so it reads for longer.
	Hey, Martin, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We'll pull this back up here in a sec.
	So just, I want you to reiterate, I guess, what you originally said, which was it upsets you that men value women's body.
	Just can you re-say it?
	Just like to say what I said before.
	Yeah.
	I think that it's fine to have preference, whether that be your physical appearance or your body count, but it's upsetting when men only value the physical aspects of women.
	Only value.
	I don't think that's a good person characteristics of a woman.
	We definitely take into consideration that's the whole point why attracts you.
	Right, but you value someone.
	She's talking about physical past, not physical appearance.
	But your body count, okay, if you have a high body count, that means that you were promiscuous in your past, or you currently are promiscuous.
	So that's a behavioral thing.
	That says something, and it could also just be viewed as a red flag.
	Why isn't it the case that she hasn't had any long-term partners, but she's slept with 20 men?
	Are they seeing something going on with her?
	Or either they're not willing to commit to her, which means there's potentially something wrong with her, or she's not wanting to commit to those men, which means she's either promiscuous or she's sleeping with the wrong men.
	I was going to say, the problem is her, either way.
	Because she doesn't have to open her legs.
	She can keep them shut if she knows that there's a problem.
	Are you holding yourself to the same standards?
	Well, men and women, we just stated earlier, men and women's sexual lifestyles are viewed differently.
	She's choosing to make a bad decision versus she did something that she might regret later.
	See, the problem is you're seeing it as a bad decision.
	Whereas you said earlier.
	Cheating is the bad decision.
	Tilt your mic up.
	Tilt your mic up.
	Second?
	A little more.
	Perfect.
	Go ahead.
	You said earlier sex can be recreational for bonding, whatever.
	It's not necessarily a bad decision.
	But your view on body count is that every single tick is a bad decision, something that's counting against her.
	Okay, when I said recreation, I am really meaning you can have some super chatted $49 a night.
	Thank you, Zen.
	Men focusing on body count is justifiably valid because we look at your lack of mental and moral fortitude.
	That indiscriminate behavior shows she will lack virtuous conviction when it comes to us in our children/slash family name.
	Women represent their man.
	Yeah, so when I was talking about recreation, like sex for recreation, I meant with a partner, not like, not just recreationally for fun, one time when you're in Cancun.
	Right, sure.
	What if someone's had 20 people that they've generally like connected with?
	20?
	I mean.
	It's unlikely.
	That just makes you less special.
	Let's say.
	Why does it make you less special?
	No, no.
	You're misunderstanding what I'm saying, dear.
	If you're the woman with the 20 bodies and I am the man, if you've connected with 20 other people, it makes me less special to you.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let's say you meet a guy and you know that he's dated and slept with 100 women before you.
	You're number 101.
	All of those didn't work out.
	Yeah, no, that would be a red flag to me.
	I'm not saying.
	Well, thank you.
	Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.
	I'm not saying it's not okay to have preference with that.
	I'm saying it's how you value those things.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you also, would you also take quarrel with a woman who, and I think it's the case that women, generally speaking, care far less about a man's body count than do men care about women's body count?
	But let's say maybe you guys might know a girl who's maybe she's inexperienced, maybe she's a bit naive, and maybe she's a virgin.
	And she's like, hey, I don't really want to date a player.
	I don't want to date a guy who has a high body count.
	I'd rather just meet a nice guy who and so her standard was, hey, I don't want to date a promiscuous guy.
	I don't want to date a guy with a high body count.
	Would you take issue with her having that preference?
	Just like I said before, it's fine to have preference.
	It's about how you value it.
	Where you place it on the totem pole or what matters most.
	Well, I think your question is also different because you're saying the female is a virgin.
	Or very inexperienced.
	Okay, well, I mean, we can.
	My position is I think what I would like to see is both men and women valuing monogamy and serious long-term relationships.
	I agree.
	I think there are definitely some men out there, and I will let Cade argue that if he wants, that a man's body count is not as important as a woman's body count.
	And I think, well, women reinforce this because, you know, actually, oh, this came to me.
	Okay, I'll ask this question.
	So think of your ideal guy.
	Ideal guy, I don't know if maybe you have a celebrity crush.
	Do any of you have a celebrity crush?
	Who?
	Jacob Alordi.
	No idea who that is.
	Have you seen Euphoria?
	No.
	So anybody else have a celebrity crush?
	Diane, right?
	Yes.
	Do you have a celebrity crush?
	I'm thinking, I know I do.
	Seth Rogan.
	Definitely not.
	Love him.
	Like, top of my head, Timothy Chalamay.
	Okay, anybody else?
	That's actually a good one because Timothy Chalamay recently has been a hot topic for when he was, he's soon to be engaged or something, or maybe engaged now with him in Zendaya.
	But it just recently came out about him in the past.
	I think that's what I'm talking about.
	I mean, Tommy's almost.
	Oh, no, but Timothy Shalomy is the one with NYU.
	Okay, yeah.
	It recently came out about his past that he infected a good chunk of NYU when he was there with STD.
	Which one?
	What do you mean, which NYU?
	No, which is a good idea.
	Is it her PCD that goes away or you're stuck with it?
	I think it was like NVIDIA or something.
	Good times.
	Damn.
	Yeah, it recently came out about and his PR team.
	Go ahead, sorry.
	Go ahead.
	The point I'm trying to make is, let's say you met your celebrity crush like your ideal guy.
	Would you be more willing to tolerate, let's say you're the main girl, right?
	But he's going to have side chicks.
	Would you tolerate that from a guy who's of a high enough status?
	This literally just happened to me.
	Okay.
	I went on a dating with a celebrity.
	Let me just finish off this thing.
	So, look, a lot of women see a celebrity in the club.
	They see Drake.
	I don't know who who's who's fucking I don't really keep tabs on pop culture and all this shit, but like they see Timothy Chalamet in the club.
	They're not like looking at that guy and expecting him to be loyal to them.
	Or have a low body count.
	That's true.
	Here's the point.
	That's exactly what I'm looking for in a relationship.
	Loyalty.
	But most women will not pass up on the opportunity to get with a guy like that.
	Dimon will gladly share a guy of a high enough status, whereas for me, I'm trying to think about Kristen Kruick in her prime.
	I don't know, some super babe.
	Who's like a really attractive girl that's like Margo Robbie?
	We can go for Margo Robbie.
	Yeah, Margo Robbie.
	A woman who's way out of my league, incredibly attractive.
	I'm not sharing her.
	If there's the option to hook up with her, even for a one-night stand, even if there's an option to hook up with her and she's sleeping with other guys, I am not interested.
	I don't care how hot she is.
	Whereas for women, if the guy is hot enough, they will share him.
	That's the difference.
	That's true.
	Or high value enough.
	Or high value enough.
	Oh, okay.
	Thank you.
	I agree.
	That's not my view.
	And I literally just experienced this.
	Like, my dream person took me on a date and we shared a meal.
	And I could tell that I was not the only person that he was interested in.
	And I never saw him again.
	Let's use Leonardo DiCaprio as an example.
	Obviously, he does date one specific girl at a time, but you really think that one girl thinks that she's the only girl?
	They know that they're not the only girl.
	And they're okay with that because he's Leonardo DiCaprio.
	But those people are not really looking forward to it.
	Those are not high value ones.
	They're not looking for that.
	Yeah, they should start strong relationships if they're going for this.
	Well, they may not be a super strong relationship, but they'd still want to do it.
	I also want to say that.
	And then I mean, a lot of women date higher positioned men to move forward and network.
	Wasn't the topic of question, high-value women?
	What was it?
	Was it?
	I thought the topic of all this was high-value women in regards to this.
	I also have a question in regards about a man's body count and to you women.
	So ladies, does it matter to you, the guy that you're seeing, does it matter if he can fuck you good?
	Or does it like, because here's the question.
	To fuck you good, he's got to go through a bunch of other women in the past to learn how to fuck you.
	I don't think that's true.
	I don't think so.
	From a guy's perspective, an 18-year-old is not going to know how to fuck just because he watches porn.
	Totally accurate.
	A 35-year-old is going to know how to fuck because he's had a plethora of women.
	But say you're dating a 25-year-old who's been in a three-year relationship with another girl, tried a bunch of stuff with her, and knows how to fuck her, and then he knows how to fuck you.
	It's just one relationship, one body.
	He's fucking awesome.
	See, here's the example that really matters versus whether you're fucking a 4'11 girl or whether you're fucking a 4'11 girl or a girl that's 6'.
	Gotcha.
	You fuck them differently.
	What if they're fucking together?
	You fuck them different.
	You fuck them differently.
	Well, obviously the position is.
	Sex is about angles.
	Sex is about angles.
	100%.
	If you're able to pick them up, the things you're able to do, the positions you're able to do with them, you can't fuck this up.
	Like a thick chick, you're going to fuck her differently than a little petite thing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	A little petite thing.
	And Let's just say this guy has been with only tall women, so he's not going to know how to fuck a short queen.
	But it doesn't mean that you can't teach him.
	It's not going to be immediately.
	Maybe after a while, but you want a man that can fuck you and get you going.
	And he has to have bodies under his belt.
	And disagree.
	Well, I disagree.
	I feel like body count for men personally.
	I don't think it matters that much.
	I don't think it does.
	As long as they don't show that.
	No, let me word this right.
	As long as they aren't showing disinterest in me because of their high body count, it doesn't affect me.
	Like, why would that affect me?
	So you guys are fine with a guy with a super low body count who is horrible in the bedroom with you.
	It doesn't matter to you whether he fucks you really good or not.
	Is that important to you?
	I prefer better sex over.
	Well, he's not going to have a low body count.
	Well, then body counts.
	If he's like in relationships, then he doesn't know how to fuck if he's in advance.
	He's only, well, just because he's a person who's a long time to learn, but I think other guys will catch you.
	Just because he's been with one person for two years doesn't know how mean he knows how to fuck anybody besides that one person.
	Right, if that one person isn't adventurous, but say he was with, you know, somebody who's really into all sorts of ton stuff and she orders BDSM products.
	The exception doesn't make the rule.
	He's into it.
	The exception doesn't make the rule.
	I don't think body count in a guy necessarily correlates to his skill in bed.
	Because a guy who's had like say, five long-term girlfriends versus he's slept with 50 chicks, but only one or two times each yes, he's probably had more sex in those relationships and more adventurous sex and more exploratory has probably been boring and it's probably been basic.
	No no, that's not obvious.
	I disagree with you a little bit on that.
	But i'm not saying a guy who's only had a bunch of casual relationships, he can be good in bed too.
	But i'm saying like I don't think body count necessarily, like if a guy's body count's five, he could be fucking killer in.
	Well, let's just say, the guy that has a body count, let's say, of a hundred, he's gonna fuck you better than a guy with a body count of two.
	Disagree, disagree not necessarily.
	And just experience.
	You, you're not a let's just you practice in a sport.
	It makes you better sure, but if you, okay.
	So you dedicate 10 000 hours to your sport of fucking 10 000 women, but you dedicate 10 000 hours to your sport of fucking your one partner and you try a whole bunch of new stuff with them.
	It's the same experience that only works with her.
	It is not more beautiful just because it worked with her in the circle.
	I see what you mean, because women's orgasm response is very varied and it's like complete different women, every single woman.
	I kind of see what you're saying where, if you have a bit more experience, like because what works for one girl doesn't work for another.
	I see what you mean there, but you did mention the.
	It's not going to be freaky or whatever.
	It doesn't have to always be, but i'm assuming that a guy that's only been with two women it's probably not as freaky as a guy who's been with 50.
	I think through every man or every new partner that you have or same partner that you have, you teach each other things and you learn from each other.
	Not if you're both vanilla.
	Not if one of them's vanilla.
	Well, what I would say, though, to that is you're not really going to be able to explore some kinks in a one-night stand, really.
	Right.
	In a relationship, that's when you can go, I think, deeper into.
	But if you have a one-night stand, you better know how to fuck her right.
	Okay, but nobody's arguing.
	But what is her version of fucking her right in comparison to somebody else?
	So say you're not going to go to the bathroom.
	When's the last time you were with a man that made you come?
	That is none of your business.
	Very recently.
	Very recently.
	How rare is that to happen?
	It's not that rare if you have good communication.
	It's actually very rare compared to what's not.
	Well, I mean, I watch a lot of podcasts, so I'm just.
	There's also statistics on how many girls' fake orgasms we could bring up for you that might not be all out of the way.
	I'll just, I can ask you a question.
	So if you're just having a bunch of one-night stands, right?
	From what I've heard from women is if you're having casual sex with guys, in those scenarios, guys are going to be much more focused on their own pleasure than getting the girl off.
	And if you're just like fucking the girl one time, you're going to be like a little less concerned with getting her off.
	And you're still going to be able to do that.
	I mean, I'll still be able to.
	See, my enjoyment is her enjoyment.
	I like her.
	Well, what if you don't know her enjoyment then?
	How are you going to fuck her good if you don't know her enjoyment?
	If you're making her come.
	You got to know how to make her come.
	Okay, but what if you have never fucked her before?
	How are you going to make her come just from 50 girls who don't, who come in different ways?
	You're going to fucking save girl the way you fuck all 50 girls.
	If plan A didn't work, plan B didn't work, plan C can work.
	If you're going to fuck me the same way you fucked 50 other girls, I'm sorry.
	That's the point.
	We're not supposed to fuck you the same way.
	Okay, but if you've been with 50 other girls as a comparison to being with one person that you have gotten to know and understood.
	At the end of the day, a marriage, 80% of marriages divorce because of sex.
	Whether you're not having it or whether it's not pleasurable.
	I look up the stats.
	80% of divorce is a bad person.
	Where are these statistics?
	80% of divorce.
	Where's the cap button?
	80% of divorce factors in a lack of sex, a lack of good sex.
	Erroneous.
	Erroneous.
	I would say I kind of disagree with you on that.
	The divorce stats, as far as I know, the leading cause of divorce is typically finance.
	But 80% of those divorces wouldn't happen if he could fuck her better.
	I don't agree.
	There could be something to that.
	There could be something to that.
	Okay.
	But I agree with you in the sense of even for something more casual, like you are still focused on the girl's pleasure.
	Like for me, I'm always like, I'm going to make her come first, then I'm going to come after.
	But actually, really quick, let's go around the table on this.
	So if the sex is bad, is it a wrap?
	And guys, we will get caught up on the super chats.
	We're going to go around the table on this and then we'll do super chats.
	I see all the super chats, guys.
	We will get to them.
	So if the sex is bad, is it a wrap?
	Okay.
	I've had this experience, but first date, if the sex is bad and I know the guy isn't very experienced, give him another chance.
	If I'm really into him, if I love this guy, like I'm ready to kind of commit to him, give him another chance and try again and then see if that connection's there.
	Because what matters to me more is not that the guy knows what moves to make.
	It's more that like we can like, you know, feel it and like really get into it.
	And the passion is what matters.
	So I think that there's room for the guy to learn in my book.
	Sure.
	Depends on the situation.
	Maybe first-time nerves.
	Let's say performance isn't really up to par the first time.
	Depends on the case, yeah.
	And what happens?
	Well, it's try to be more precise.
	Situation number two, number three, whatever.
	I don't know.
	I've never had to worry about that before, so I guess I haven't thought about it.
	But what if it occurred?
	Like, let's say you like the guy, but the sex wasn't great, you know?
	If I really liked it.
	Or is the sex just always bomb with you?
	If I really liked the guy, I'd be about more than just that.
	Okay.
	I mean, I feel like if they suck during like the initial time, if you're communicating and you're saying like what you want and what you don't like that they do, it's going to improve.
	Like if you're going into it and you're like, he didn't know that I wanted this specifically, yeah, it's going to suck because you're not telling him what you want.
	And that goes both ways.
	If you want like a certain thing done in bed and that's going to make you come, say it.
	Tell us, please.
	Well, what happens if he still has to hit the spot after five, ten times?
	If he can't fuck you, you're going to disappear.
	Listen, not necessarily disappear, but give valid feedback.
	And then if it still doesn't improve, yes, sex is extremely important when it comes to long-term commitment.
	I cannot argue that.
	But when what we're talking about, that comes with experience and having more sex under your belt, regardless whether it's with one person.
	And, like, the way you come is not going to be the same way you come.
	So you've got to know how to make, and it depends on how many partners you have, but you have to figure out you can't just be a one-trick pony.
	Mm-hmm.
	And you practice more tricks by getting in more practice.
	Let's continue going around the table on this.
	What about you?
	I feel like good sex comes with having a lot of passion.
	So if you're really vibing with a person first date and you have sex, like it's not that good, I feel like you can give them another try.
	What if it's not so good the next time for you?
	But it really depends on how much I'm liking this person.
	Like if I'm like just like, if I'm not looking for anything serious, then yeah, probably.
	What are you looking for?
	In this exact moment?
	Sure.
	Situationship.
	You're looking for a situation ship.
	Yeah, I think I'd be perfect for that, honestly.
	Okay, her DMs are up.
	You heard that.
	But yeah, so with that, it's like, if it's bad and you're not looking for anything, then like, why, why do it again, you know?
	Okay.
	I mean, I think if you have chemistry and you're willing to, like, if you really like them in the first time, yeah, it's not great.
	do think that you can improve it by telling them and if they're tilt the microphone down towards you And if they're open to, you know, getting you off and like listening to what you're saying, then yeah, I think it can get better.
	But I mean, also, if they're not and they are kind of just caring about themselves, then yeah.
	That's a no.
	I definitely think there's room for growth.
	No pun intended.
	But no, I really do.
	I think what the consensus has said, I think when there is love and passion there, that there is opportunity for growth and learning.
	But I feel like if there is no improvement long term, that no, like, it depends what you value.
	It depends what you value.
	Personally, if it's not getting any better and it's something that doesn't seem like can be taught or not willing to switch something up or learn, then yeah, it may be a bit of a turnoff, but long term.
	See, here's a problem though, is regardless, I've been in two situations where the woman was absolutely beautiful.
	I was very physically attracted to her, but in the bedroom, you can make an argument that the quicker sex the guy has, the faster he comes, the more he enjoys it, or the better the sex is for him.
	Where you can go hours.
	I've gone, there's multiple situations with these two women in the past year where the sex would be three hours long, non-stop, and I couldn't finish.
	And that's, and but there's, but there was all, I've also been with women that I can fucker six times in three hours.
	It just, it's, there's, it's a, it's, it's the body chemistry.
	Also how much alcohol you have in your system.
	The times that we, both of those situations were one round, three hours, just, there was no alcohol.
	Crazy.
	And it just boils down to how much you actually physically like them and how much body chemistry do you have.
	You won't know until you're in the bedroom.
	Wait, did you say the three hours was with someone you didn't feel chemistry with or you did?
	Physical?
	Like, I found her very beautiful.
	Inside the bedroom, not so much.
	She was enjoying it.
	She thought because I could go three hours nonstop.
	She was having the time of her life.
	And she would hit me up later on.
	But I just, I try, I gave her three different tries.
	This one girl, I gave her three different tries.
	I'm like, maybe it'll, maybe I'll enjoy it later on.
	But it was always just extremely long rounds.
	And a guy that's really enjoying it is going to finish fast.
	Yeah.
	But did you, like, communicate with her, or did you just assume that?
	Well, there's nothing she was doing wrong.
	Well, then, like, if there's something you need to come that's not happening, you're physically attracted to her, but the sex is not feeling it.
	Like, why would you not just say, oh, like, it was nothing to do with her.
	Oh.
	Then you're not as physically attracted to her.
	I feel like a perfect body, very beautiful face and a perfect body.
	Sometimes it's just like the person won't vibe with you sexually.
	Sometimes it just isn't there.
	And that's okay.
	Sexual attraction is different than just physical attraction.
	Yeah, I mean, okay, so my take on this is, and I don't know, my, and we'll watch the video on this.
	My view on this is very similar to Andrew Tate's view on this.
	I know you guys don't like Andrew Tate, but actually he has, I think, a very, I think a take that some of you might like is, you know, like if a girl is genuinely trying, she's trying her best, but maybe she's not that good.
	First off, it's very hard for a woman to be bad in bed.
	Like, men are going to be the drivers of bad sex.
	Like, a woman really doesn't need to do much.
	It's not about her being bad.
	It's just you just don't enjoy it with her.
	Well, it takes a lot for a girl to fuck up sex.
	Like, honestly, a girl can do very little, and the sex can still be great.
	Like, a girl really doesn't have to do all that much for the sex to be good.
	But let me just finish my thing here.
	So as long as she's like best effort, as long as she's trying, you know, if she doesn't, like, some guys are thinking, oh, well, a lot of girls think, oh, man, here's how I get a guy.
	I got to suck his dick really good, and I got to fuck him really good.
	No, like, the way you're going to get a guy is, is everything else that you're bringing outside of the bedroom.
	You have to offer more than just sex.
	That's what's going to turn me on.
	It's not like how good you can suck dick or the way in which you can maneuver your pelvis on top of me.
	Like that is not important to me.
	I don't, like, you know, if I love her and she loves me and I can tell that she's trying and she doesn't suck dick very well, it's like, well, yeah, it's like, well, you're not the best at it, but I love you.
	You love me.
	That's what matters.
	And I think you'll impress me much more by the other things that you're bringing outside of the bedroom than just, oh, can you do the, what's that stupid shit from Call Her Daddy, the fucking Glock 9000, that bullshit?
	I don't care.
	I've watched that show, but yeah.
	Yeah.
	Actually, let's just watch the Tate video because he articulates it way better than me.
	I pretty much almost lifted it from him, but that's how I feel.
	And I just also, before you pull it up, like I said, it just, it's really, I know what I'm doing in the bedroom.
	Like, I know how to lead.
	So like a girl could, I could have.
	Isn't that all that's really necessary?
	Just a man that knows how to lead.
	And then you just kind of like to do it.
	Well, here's the thing.
	That's the thing.
	That's the thing.
	And I think that's kind of one of the reasons why men and women value body count differently.
	I could have fantastic sex with a girl who's a virgin.
	Most girls are going to look at a guy who's a virgin.
	They don't want to touch him.
	And like the sex is that's that's going to be a coin.
	Like that.
	Also, I don't think girls want to teach guys how to fuck them.
	That's exactly.
	You and I are thinking about the exact same clip, and that's exactly what I was taking this from.
	Now, not to say that I'm not like if a girl, I'll ask a girl for like some feedback.
	Is there a certain, you know, certain thing that you prefer faster, whatever.
	But like, girls really don't want to like teach a guy like how to fuck him up.
	We don't mind that.
	We can marry a virgin and we don't mind teaching them because it will get better with time.
	But the women are not going to put up with that.
	Word?
	Word?
	Okay, let's play the clip.
	It should be the first Eric.
	Well, it seems a lot of videos.
	Pause that.
	Yeah.
	Oh, before you play it, actually, actually, hold on.
	Yeah, I mean, I basically almost said, not exactly, but I basically echoed what he said.
	But he's much more articulate than me.
	So go ahead.
	Sex, sex, this position, that position.
	Don't you feel like you get to a point in your life where there's something more than that shit?
	Don't you feel like, and maybe I'm going to sound like a romantic, don't you feel like you get to a position in your life where you'd rather have a girl who you truly love and she truly loves you, and it doesn't matter what she does because you know she really loves you and she's trying her best.
	Where are those hats?
	I know she's shaking her head.
	I know.
	But I'm serious.
	I'm serious.
	If you sleep with enough women, just like if you sleep with enough men, there's no fucking move.
	Sex is not a complicated operation, right?
	There's no move that's going to be like, wow, I've never seen this before.
	I've never seen this before.
	My mind is blown up.
	No, no.
	If you think the way you keep a man happy is to move your pussy in a particular way on top of his dick, as opposed to behave in a way which is respectful to him out in the real world and for him to know he has you and you're loyalty regardless of what's going to happen, all the problems he's going to come into in his life, then you're wrong.
	So the whole point of sex is a connection between two people.
	And I think having a genuine connection between two people is worth more than the sex.
	So her question was, what can a woman do to truly blow your mind in the bedroom?
	You blow my mind outside of the bedroom in a relationship as a whole.
	That's the truth.
	That's the truth.
	Wouldn't you rather have a girlfriend who truly loves you is absolutely loyal to you?
	Like no matter what happens, she's going to be there for you.
	You can catch a case six months.
	She's outside waiting for you.
	She, she, okay, she can't take dick, right?
	Whatever.
	But she tries her very, very best to pour the poor thing.
	And she wants to satisfy you, and you know she cares about you.
	Wouldn't you be like, well, I don't care that she can't take dick because that's actually a quality woman, which is rare in the world today.
	But I am genuinely uninterested in sleeping with a woman who I don't have a connection with.
	If a girl said to me, I don't love you at all.
	I don't feel anything for you at all.
	I don't want to sleep with you, but I will.
	I would say no.
	The sex act in and of itself is okay.
	If you had sex, we've all had sex, right?
	Do you really need to fuck somebody who doesn't give a shit about you at all?
	We live in a world now, right, where we have a lot of narratives which are being broken down and destroyed in real time.
	And I think it's very, very healthy for men and women to look at sex as an act that happens between people who at least like each other.
	The idea that I don't like them at all, but as long as they can suck dick this way, then it's okay.
	I don't give a fuck, right?
	If a girl genuinely loves me with all her heart and gives me a fucking terrible blowjob, I'm still going to be like, well, you love me.
	I love you.
	It is what it is.
	Life's more important than blowjobs and fucking blowing her mind.
	And that's the truth.
	And if it's not love, if it's not love.
	Let me tell you something.
	Women are the gatekeepers, not men.
	If it's not love, you shouldn't be fucking him anyway.
	This is the reality of the world.
	Just because the moral world told you different.
	You shouldn't be fucking any man you don't love.
	That's the first fucking thing.
	You shouldn't be sleeping with him.
	No, because you're right, you're right.
	No, no, no, no, because the intestine me, whatever the intes me, whatever, it's not there, you will feel it.
	Intisiments me.
	Okay.
	The intestine.
	And that's the perfect example because the two women that I'm talking about where there was a problem, their personalities were the slight problem for me physically and visually, they were perfect.
	So let's just go around the table.
	I want you guys to give your reaction to that.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I mean, I see straight into the mic.
	When you asked me, I had a very similar answer where all that matters to me is really being in love with a person and having a passionate connection before I have sex with them.
	I won't have sex with someone that I don't have a passionate love connection with.
	So I agree, I guess.
	But I don't normally agree with Andrew Tate.
	Yeah, I think he makes a valid point.
	There's more important things than what happens in the bedroom.
	I mean, I also agree with it.
	I think it kind of goes back to what I was saying where it's like, if you're with someone and they like are listening to you when you're talking about what you need, like if they like you, like he was talking about, like, you know, she sucks, like, she's terrible at sucking dick, but she loves you so much.
	Like, she's more likely than someone who's having one night stand who doesn't give a fuck about you to listen to what you need and improve and change things.
	Like.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Connection is more important than good sex.
	So, you know.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't like Andrew Tate in general, but I will say that clip, you did say I didn't hate him as much as usual.
	Wholesome Andrew Tate.
	Yeah, so I do agree.
	I think there are more things outside the bedroom.
	And I do think, you know, when you do have chemistry, I do think the sex is better as well.
	And so, like, when you do love someone, I think the sex is going to be better.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	I think intimacy and connection happens before the bedroom.
	And I've always said that.
	My mom has a funny quote that she always has said since I was young.
	It's like, let them see your heart before anything else.
	See, I just want to ask the question.
	I feel like there were some of you that said, if you didn't get fucked right after a while, you'd be checking out.
	Who's going back on their word after that clip?
	Somebody did, right?
	No.
	Are we sure?
	I'm pretty sure somebody at this table earlier said if they didn't get fucked right.
	No, that was me, 100%.
	But I still agree with the clip.
	I think that after a period of time, if the man is not able to figure it out, you know, and please you the correct way, get you to orgasm, I don't think there's a point in continuing on to marriage with him because you're not going to be happy.
	Even if you love him with all your heart, but he just can't fuck you right.
	I don't think that would ever happen, honestly.
	At least for me.
	When I fall in love with someone, it's a very like whole thing.
	And it's like sexuality is a part of it.
	And, you know, intimacy, intellect, all of that makes the whole.
	So I wouldn't necessarily be able to fall in love with someone I wasn't at least very sexually attracted to.
	What if the man is a virgin?
	Would you be willing to put in the time to you teach him what you like as long as it takes?
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	If he's learning and picking up fast, fuck yeah.
	What if he's not picking up fast?
	What if it's slow?
	Oh yeah.
	As long as he's, as long as he's getting it and like we're making progress and I love this person, yes, let's go.
	We'll work on it together.
	As long as, God, if I can find a partner, sorry, sorry.
	If I can find a partner that's going to work together with me to solve problems, to communicate on things, that's what I want for everything.
	Okay, let me, we got to move on to some super chats.
	Eric, did you star this one from Zentience, the $99 one?
	You start it?
	Did it just come in?
	Oh, oh, is that an old one?
	Oh, okay.
	Got it.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let me see where we are here.
	Sorry, guys, I'm getting, I lost my place from the super chats.
	Yeah.
	What's up?
	Eric, what's up?
	Oh, thank you.
	Sam Gigelo, thank you for the prime and the follow.
	Seed, thank you for the follow.
	Obi-Wan, thank you for the follow.
	Spartan, thank you for the follow.
	Get off my lawn.
	Thank you for the prime, man.
	Really appreciate the support, guys.
	All right, bring it on back.
	Did we did this one?
	Did we do this one?
	Yeah, we did that one.
	Did we do this one?
	No.
	Okay, the fact is all men want girls that not just any man can have, but average men have enough trouble finding women and can't force that preference.
	High value men can because 50% of women are all going for top 20% of all men.
	Yeah, that's a good point, Shane.
	A lot of men, I'd say most average men, really can't, what's the term for it?
	They really can't act on their preferences.
	So either they just get rid of the preference or, I don't know, yeah.
	So, but that's why, you know, this is why I think it's kind of cope in like the red pill or whatever when like the wall, this idea of the wall, like there's going to be a simp to pick up the mess afterwards.
	So there's going to be a guy who's going to tolerate the fucking past promiscuity, three kids from three different baby daddies.
	There's going to be some simp who's going to pick up the pieces.
	So I think it's kind of cope for a lot of us men to think, oh, you know, she's messing up in her youth and then, nah, there's going to be some guy to pick up the pieces.
	Okay, so, yo, we have Gus with the $20 Super Chat.
	Past body count matter because your ability to pair bond diminishes.
	We don't want to walk into a room knowing my friends fam might have seen or heard of your promiscuity.
	We're not the same.
	Yeah, it's also, it's definitely body count is a reputational thing.
	If you've like slept with an entire guy's friend group, it's just like awkward.
	It's uncomfortable.
	Will Smith is a perfect example.
	Are you talking about Jada Pinkett?
	Yeah.
	I mean, the whole pair bonding thing too is as you continue to having more and more sexual partners, you start de-linking intimacy from sex.
	your ability to bond with somebody is diminished.
	Like you're going to the moment, like a difficult moment in a relationship comes up.
	You know what?
	A new guy can solve it.
	I'm out.
	I'm just going to go find a new guy.
	Difficulty in a relationship arises.
	I'm done.
	I'm just, I'm out.
	So, whereas someone who's has a lower body count is much more likely to stick it out through a difficult period in a relationship.
	All right, we have M. Martin with the $50 Super Chat.
	We are in trouble as society.
	Marriage rates, birth rates, lower than ever in history.
	Divorce, antidepressants, anxiety meds higher than ever before in history.
	Most unhappy demographic of human single career woman with no husband or children.
	Late 30s.
	Yeah, the West, I think, is definitely in trouble.
	I think when you kind of deregulate the sexual marketplace, that, I mean, I don't know.
	I think society functions best when you have the nuclear family, people stay together, there's monogamy, but I mean, the West is The West is a failed society.
	Okay, we have Oni Fro with the Canadian $20 Super Chat.
	Wait, so philosophically is she saying that romance isn't about emotion commitment?
	And by the way, it's catastrophic for both men and women.
	It's just a mess.
	Isn't about emotion commitment, but about transactions.
	hypergamy is a hell of a drug and the mentality like that just chases the dragon is she saying that romance isn't about by the way so i want to apologize guys that it took us a while to get to the soup chats I don't know who this is.
	But so this is maybe like from 45 minutes ago or something.
	But thank you, OniFro.
	Appreciate it.
	Lukewarm with your $20 super chat.
	Thank you, man.
	Ask girls to rate their looks 1 to 10.
	Then intellect 1 to 10.
	Interestingly, I found the order in which you ask these questions influences the answer.
	Yeah, we can go around the table on this really quick.
	Please rate your appearance looks 1 to 10 and then your, I guess your intellect 1 to 10.
	I think that one's a bit more challenging, but go ahead.
	Looks like 7.5.
	And intellect, I'd say 8.5 for 9.
	Okay.
	So like 6.5.
	And intellect, probably like 8.
	Probably 7 for looks and then 8 or 9 for intellect.
	Yeah, I would say 7 for looks, 8 or 9 for intellect.
	What did you do for looks again?
	6.5.
	Okay.
	Girl, you were not 6.
	I would say 8.
	Normally we get girls in here saying that they're 10s when they're not.
	I'm going to give you higher.
	I won't say a number, but I definitely think you're more than a 6.5.
	Definitely.
	Go ahead.
	I would say I'm like an eight and a half, nine, looks-wise.
	Intelligence, I would say I'm around a nine.
	Wait, repeat the looks one?
	Eight and a half, nine.
	Okay.
	I would honestly say the same.
	I consider myself to be eight, eight and a half, and my intellect anywhere from a nine to ten.
	Oh, that was just, I guess he just wanted the girls to rate themselves.
	Kids, we can do it too.
	Why not?
	I mean, I say I get shit from my good girlfriends.
	I say I'm a nine, and they say you should be viewing yourself as a tin.
	I don't like to say that's a tin because tin implies perfection.
	So I don't like calling it 10, but they say.
	I give myself a 6, 6.9 on a good day.
	Okay.
	And then the intellect.
	Oh, intellect?
	Oh, intellect.
	7.5 for me, maybe.
	I don't know.
	I don't think one should try to rate their intellect.
	There's a lot of nuanced intellect, too.
	I think trying to rate your intellect would make...
	It's funny, the ones that would say their intellect is higher are actually...
	Probably stupider.
	Dumber than the most.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Would you say this is not about taking an IQ test?
	Taking an IQ test.
	You know, you take an IQ test and you get a high quality.
	Well, that's based on your test results versus your test.
	Right, so if somebody gets a high IQ test and they say, I have highly intellect, like, right?
	It doesn't stare at you.
	But you can verify it if you have a test.
	Right, I guess if they're verified.
	And verify it.
	Yes, we need it authorized.
	Okay.
	I forgot.
	But they need documents now.
	Frankie Kay, thank you for the $20 soup chat.
	In the annals of human history, there has never been a single woman who was celebrated for her promiscuity.
	Conversely, the kings and conquerors of history have had a multitude of mistresses and offspring.
	Men and women are different.
	Here's another reason why body count matters.
	So it's, hold on.
	Let me just put this away.
	Thank you there.
	Thank you, Frankie, though, for the big $20 Super Chat.
	So it's a natural biological response for men.
	Here's the example I like to give.
	And why men have this sort of evolutionary biological, almost repulsion, disgust when there's an When it comes, sorry, I'm getting tongue-tied here, for wanting to not date a promiscuous woman.
	Sorry, I totally butchered this guy's getting tongue-tied here.
	French is my first language.
	English is my second language.
	ESL student over here.
	Give me a break, guys.
	Okay.
	So, if a woman has 10 husbands and she's sleeping with all of them, who's the father?
	Whereas if a man has 10 wives, who's the father?
	So, you know who the father is.
	It's a slippery slope because then it's just like, yeah, but also women couldn't vote many years ago and all this stuff has changed.
	Like, so much has changed.
	I'm not really sure paternity is still the issue.
	So, okay.
	I think in the 80s is when we got DNA testing.
	So, if a woman has 10 husbands and she's sleeping with all of them, before 40 years ago, there's no way to know who the father is.
	And you're, what's your argument?
	Well, and so, so, whereas for a guy, if he has 10 wives, each of those women know that she's the mother and they know who the father is.
	So, for men, there's a paternity uncertainty, and that's a it's a big fucking L to think that the kid is yours and it's not.
	Perfect example.
	I was just watching one of those Facebook court videos of you are not the father.
	This woman had three men there, and not a single one of them was the father.
	Okay.
	It was embarrassing for her, it was embarrassing for all of us.
	Sounds like it, yeah.
	Not only are you a crappy person, but like, these are just like such cherry-picked situations.
	It's not cherry-picked.
	Okay, also the woman's the one carrying the baby for nine months.
	But that's that's irrelevant.
	This is a real evolutionary fear.
	Think of, okay, do you guys know fight-or-flight response, anxiety?
	Of course.
	Like, why, if we realize if there's not a threat, right?
	That if we're not getting chased by a tiger, why do some people have panic attacks?
	Because that's a fight-or-flight response, but there's something misfiring there.
	So, in the same way that that is sort of an outdated thing, and people have these anxiety disorders, there's no benefit to having panic attacks, right?
	But people have them.
	So, it's the same thing with that.
	Like, it is something in our gut.
	Like, if we know that a girl is promiscuous, it's like somewhere in our fucking reptilian lizard brain or some shit.
	It's like, I don't know if I can't.
	Right, just like if I feel a man can't provide for me, I'm scared.
	Exactly.
	Right.
	That is an evolutionary.
	Yeah, it's evolutionary.
	However, we are developed.
	No, it's not evolutionary at all.
	How would you argue with that?
	Sure, based on society and like the tradition that has been upheld by society, I could see how women would want men to provide for them in the past, but evolutionarily, like biologically, it's no, like you're providing for yourself.
	You're fending for your own survival.
	So, those women in the Stone Ages were supposed to go out and kill their own animals and feed themselves?
	It is evolutionarily and biologically, but it doesn't meet, I get what you're saying, though.
	We have developed as a society past that point.
	We no longer have to succumb to these evolutionary urges.
	We are developed, civilized people.
	We can look past those urges.
	So, let me ask you a question.
	Why is it that women are attracted to tall, muscular men?
	Some women, not me.
	Like, it's just like a rule, though.
	If you line up a hundred.
	The exception doesn't make a rule, but that doesn't make a rule either.
	If you line up a hundred women, how many of them are going to prefer a guy who's tall and physically strong?
	How many men are going to prefer a girl that's fit and has tits and ass?
	It's the same fucking thing.
	Women who have big birthing hips and nice tits for their children evolutionarily are hotter to men.
	Men who are proving my point.
	You're proving my point.
	No, I'm not.
	That's literally the point.
	But we've developed past that.
	We are now.
	We still.
	But you just said that men are attracted to women with big tits and wide hips.
	Right.
	And women are attracted to men who are taller.
	For evolutionary.
	So we're going after we're going after evolutionary mother instincts.
	So you're.
	The same point.
	I'm making the same point.
	I'm just saying we have developed past that.
	Now, as a society, we have made, we have decided that we are on the same mental level, so we can now choose.
	Women can now choose their partners just as men can choose their partners.
	Where before that was not possible.
	Women did not have the capability to have their own finances, to take care of themselves.
	They needed a man to provide them.
	They needed a man to provide in order to survive back in the 50s and 60s.
	You would be homeless.
	You would be destitute or sent to a sanitarium if you didn't have a husband, if you didn't succeed in birthing and stuff back then.
	Now it is different.
	We have jobs, we succeed in careers, we are able to vote.
	I know the chat hates when I bring that up, but it's real.
	We have developed.
	The chat doesn't.
	I read a comment.
	But it's real.
	We've developed past that point of being in that evolutionarily driven stage.
	And as society develops, we get further and further away from it.
	And as we become more civilized, we become more able to communicate on an even level and understand each other better.
	So I think these conversations are really beneficial, but you have to see from the other side sometimes.
	So we are not both men and women are not necessarily handcuffed to their base biological drives and urges.
	I agree with you, but it does not undo their influence and their existence.
	And it happens to be the case.
	Like, you ask most women, they want to date a guy that is taller than them.
	Why?
	Where?
	Is this a surprising statement that most women want to tall?
	They want to date a girl that's shorter than them.
	Okay, same sense.
	Well, I think men care far less about height than women do, but what do you?
	It's the same thing, is all I'm arguing.
	We've developed to a point in society where we each have preferences.
	Guys prefer women to have less experience.
	Women prefer men to be motivated and have future goals and all this stuff.
	We all have preferences.
	We all have things we want.
	And it's not fair to say, to be like, this is a high-value person, this is a low-value person, because everybody has different sliding scales on how they're behaving, their morality, everything.
	So these conversations, although they're very fun to have on podcasts and stuff, it's just like it doesn't really get into the deeper philosophical issue.
	I'm not really sure what you are arguing, but like the whole, we were talking about paternity and men's paternity uncertainty.
	So let me ask you guys a question, though, so I can maybe try to emphasize why this is a big deal for men and why it plays into the reasons for why men care about body count.
	What are our, if you had to say, what are like our two main, two or three main base biological drives and urges?
	I'd like to open up the table.
	What do you guys all think?
	Repeat the question.
	For women.
	What are the base biological drives and urges?
	For males or females?
	Okay, maybe this is a hypothetical.
	This is hypothetical.
	Survival and reproduction.
	Those are the two base things for humans.
	And frankly, for all species on this planet.
	So If a woman's promiscuous, if she has a high body count, it is an evolutionary thing that's tied to paternity uncertainty.
	So if you lie to your husband, if you cheated on him, and you lie to him, or you're just promiscuous, you're sleeping with a bunch of dudes, you get pregnant, you are essentially potentially depriving that man of his opportunity to reproduce.
	How often is this happening and why is it initially?
	I don't know the exact stats.
	Maybe Eric can pull it up, but there's a it's like in the uh it's in the double-digit percentages that men are raising children that they think are theirs that are not.
	It's astoundingly high.
	Astoundingly high.
	I mean, I just gave you a lot of people.
	I have never in my personal life met a man raising a child that isn't his or even raising a child.
	I've met a lot of single mothers.
	It's just my favorite.
	They wouldn't.
	Well, I mean, the women are either lying or you've never seen one of those videos where he finds out he's not the father and he starts crying or something.
	None of you have ever seen.
	Of course I've seen those videos.
	So that's a perfect example.
	It's also entertainment.
	Clickbait, like they're talking about the show, Maury, is based on who's the father.
	Like you are cherry-picking.
	It's not.
	100%.
	It's not cherry picking.
	No, no, no, but the point I'm trying to make is...
	I feel like we're talking too much, though.
	I'd really love to be able to change it.
	Okay, let me just address the cherry-picking thing.
	So you claim it to be cherry-picking.
	Does it happen to a majority of men?
	No.
	Does it happen to a minority of men?
	Yes.
	How many single mothers are there?
	Hold on.
	These numbers suggest that the widely quoted figure of 10% is, however, in studies that solely looked at couples who obtained paternity testing because paternity was being disputed, However, in studies that solely looked at couples who obtained paternity testing because paternity was being disputed, there are higher levels and incidents of 17% to 33%.
	Look, in any case...
	I mean, that solely looked at couples where paternity was being...
	Okay, yes.
	This is cherry picking.
	Yes, but I don't say that.
	There's something about the law of small numbers.
	Hold on, hold on.
	The point I'm trying to make is even if it happens to a minority of men, that doesn't mean that the risk or the fear doesn't exist.
	And it doesn't mean that risks and fears, too.
	Of course, but we can be raped.
	We can, you know, risks and fears for women.
	That's right.
	and women are totally reasonable to take precautions when dealing with men in the same way that men should take precautions when dealing with women and having legitimate fears about potentially having children with someone and that being a paternity fraud situation where you have just poured your heart, your resources, and potentially— Yes, that's an awful, awful situation, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
	It is absolutely right.
	But you guys can't relate because it's impossible for that to happen to women.
	But you know what's possible to happen to me?
	It's possible for the government to force me to have a child I don't want, but even though if I'm raped, if I'm in a different state, dude, it doesn't matter.
	Let me just put into perspective what women are actually having to deal with.
	That's a completely different conversation if you want to say that.
	It's about children.
	It's about babies.
	You're talking about paternity, raising a child.
	You're derailing the conversation.
	We're talking about paternity fraud.
	We can have a conversation about abortion.
	I'm just going to open up the table because I feel like I'm talking a lot and I feel like there's other opinions that should be.
	Well, it's a good time to say that because I need to go back to the super chats here.
	So, all right.
	Nobody else wants to comment on that?
	I mean, I can open it up if anyone does.
	I have a question.
	Sure.
	Are you genuinely scared of that happening in your life?
	Like, that's a genuine fear.
	Oh, absolutely.
	100%.
	Absolutely.
	Women can't empathize with.
	You guys are laughing right now at something that absolutely fucking crushes men.
	No, it's not.
	I would never dare to laugh at, for example, a woman getting raped.
	I would never, and look, I know they're different, but I would never, I would never laugh at something that hurts women on such a deep level.
	And for you guys to laugh about paternity fraud is shocking.
	It's fucking horrible.
	There's not much else that can happen.
	I don't understand.
	That is one of the things that I'm saying.
	I just saw this.
	I think it's a terrible thing to happen, but what are the chances?
	It's higher than you think.
	The chances of any of us getting sexually assaulted is one in three.
	One in three.
	Okay, we can play a comparison of victimhood.
	We can do a comparison.
	But you're bringing up male victimhood this whole time.
	And yes, there are male agents.
	Males are killing themselves in high numbers.
	It's horrible.
	But you can't compare male victimhood and not allow us to speak on our issues.
	No, But we were speaking about a very specific thing.
	I wasn't saying because of this one thing that men have it worse than women.
	That's not what I was saying.
	I'm perfectly prepared to make that argument, however, but by bringing up its whataboutism.
	If I'm talking about something that affects men, you can't just say, well, women get raped.
	Okay, my dear, but that's irrelevant to the conversation.
	My reaction to the paternity thing is that it's absolutely horrible.
	I can't believe the statistic is that high.
	The women that are doing that are terrible people and should face the consequences of that.
	And the males who are raising the children should, you know, know and there should be paternity tests, you know, at every birth and it should be figured out.
	However, it's not like a gotcha.
	It's not like something that makes it okay to say that a woman's body count is super, is the most important thing.
	It's just not because that's not what I'm arguing.
	I'm giving you one of many reasons as to why men care about body count.
	I've given you some reasons that men can intellectualize.
	I've given you a variety of reasons.
	We didn't even talk about STD risk.
	The more partners you've had, the more likelihood you are to have an STD.
	But that's a risk you're taking.
	Are you so quickly to?
	I guarantee you, I don't know if any of you have herpes, but if you were to get herpes, I doubt you would be so quick to defend promiscuity and having a high body count.
	I guarantee you.
	But I don't defend it.
	I don't think it's good to be promiscuous.
	What are we arguing about?
	What do you mean?
	I was talking about paternity fraud because it's related to why men care about body count more than women.
	Because women don't have this fear of being victims of paternity fraud.
	I think that's okay.
	I just agree.
	It's evolutionary.
	And it's also another reason why a man would rather end up with a virgin wife than somebody who's been promiscuous.
	Because you will never have to worry about if that child is yours.
	But you have paternity tests now, so it's very easy.
	There's so many men that raise children 10 years old, and they don't ever take promising tests.
	Okay, on the paternity test thing, because of modern science, an invention of modern science does not undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
	Sure, I agree with that.
	I argued that for you when I made that.
	Right, but just because there's paternity tests, it doesn't undo the fear.
	Yes, you can have the fear just like we have a deep fear walking outside of being raped.
	That was the only thing that I compared it to, the fear.
	We both have fear of our sexes.
	It's the wrong comparison.
	Okay, how?
	They're both about children.
	Well, just because they have a lot of people.
	I'm relating it to body count.
	This all came up because I was giving you reasons why body count matters.
	Okay.
	Wouldn't you be a little bit worried if they were a liar and a cheater?
	Like, more so than their body count.
	Okay, but I feel like we talked about that.
	Week.
	Um, I would.
	I mean i'm sort of failing to see.
	There's still a lower chance.
	There's still a lower cheating girl with a body country.
	I never, I didn't say that over the body count.
	I will back that up, i'll back it up.
	There's still a.
	There's still a lower chance.
	We already had that conversation.
	So there's still a lower chance of that woman with six who's cheated on some past exes.
	There's still a lower chance that they will have a paternity issue than a woman who's been with 30 women, 30 men.
	There's still a lower chance, if anything.
	I feel like it's the opposite.
	If you're sleeping with like like my body counts like 18, i'm not having like 18 men sperm inside me waiting at any moment to come out, like a couple years ago, like six, seven years ago I went on like a like whole phase and then I was in a monogamous relationship.
	Eric, can you lower the volume to 70?
	Um, and like me, as a person who isn't cheating, who has a higher number, I think that it would say more about how that person is currently like dating and having sex than about like their past.
	Like if I slept with a certain number of people, that's not going to affect whether or not i'm going to cheat on you with another dude and have their baby.
	I think those are completely separate things.
	Yeah, they're completely different.
	And the girl that cheats on and cheats and sleeps with other husbands, she's more likely to give you the wrong child than somebody who in their past had a whole phase and is now dedicated to you.
	You see the difference.
	It's circumstances.
	Giving us these, these hypothetical scenarios where there's this girl who's a cheater no.
	Giving us a hypothetical situation where there's 30 babies for one man?
	No, but I please, that's.
	That's not a hype hypothetical situation, it's just look up the definition of hypothetical.
	No, but you've brought it back to.
	Well, shouldn't you care less about body count?
	Are there?
	Aren't there other things that you can care about too?
	Yes, but just because we care about one thing, doesn't we doesn't mean we don't care about other things also.
	It's just that you, you it's prioritize it so much like body count has been the entire conversation and it's just like, why not talk about all the other things that men and women have to?
	I'm happy to talk about other stuff.
	Um, I want to get to the super chats here.
	Cool, all right.
	So let's see.
	Uh, beating Cheeks.
	Thank you for the 20 super chat.
	I'm 5'8, 161 pounds, disease free successful, own a cabin on Goal Lake in Leech Lake, Minnesota.
	Uh, you interested in Minnesota, can you?
	Can you do like a proper Minnesota accent?
	Not really, it's really hard for me.
	Does it come out when you're liquored up?
	Um, actually I get a southern accent when I don't have that.
	That's even better.
	That's peculiar okay uh, Gareth Pickford, thank you for the Australian 30 man.
	Thank you from down Under.
	Good day, would good, I can't do an Australian.
	Would girls be offended on this date if you guys asked you a series of direct questions as men, we have most to lose today in a?
	Oh god, i'm butchering in the world of marriage.
	Are you feminist?
	Would you vote for?
	Oh geez okay, i'm sorry guys, do you want kids?
	Will you be involved in the children's lives?
	Gee Bruv, you're asking like Bruv.
	This is like seven questions in one super chat.
	Come on, we'll, we'll do one, just because we got to get through these chats.
	Um, would you be offended on first date if guy asked you a series of direct as men, we have most lose today in the world?
	Are you feminist?
	Who do you vote for?
	Okay, so would you be offended if a guy asked you these questions.
	If you're feminist, who'd you vote for?
	Do you want kids?
	Will you be involved in the children On the first date?
	How about this?
	I'll make it easy.
	We'll go around the table.
	I'm going to ask one of these questions.
	Are you a feminist?
	Um, I suppose so.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	You guys got to speak into the mics.
	Yes.
	I believe in equal rights.
	Most of these answers aren't shocking, but no.
	Not feminist.
	Okay.
	Let's get through the chats.
	All right.
	Yo, Zentians, thank you for the $50 Super Chat.
	Catholic Trauma.
	If you're on OF, you have guilt by association, irrespective of your content.
	Selling your morals, dignity, and your future prospects will yield nothing more than the vacuum sky.
	Yeah, he sent this between your legs for some reason.
	Oh, he sent another $50.
	Thank you, Daddy.
	Yo, holiday gaming.
	$50 Super Chat.
	Why is it that when a man talks about a girl in not so good light, they think we hate them?
	I'm sure that I can speak for most guys when I say you can do it, but we will judge.
	Wait, why is it that when the man talks about you?
	I think you hate us.
	It's fine.
	Oh, okay.
	Yo, holiday gaming, though.
	Thank you for the big $50 Super Chat, man.
	I really appreciate it.
	Yo, Gus, thank you for the $20 Super Chat.
	Feminism Society lied to women and turned them into the masculine, independent man.
	She always wanted to date, Mary.
	Most men do not care about your career, money, status.
	Being feminine, fit, submissive, wanting to be a wife, mum, mum, keeps us.
	G's in the W's.
	Were you going to say W's in the chat?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if we go around the table on this one, but yeah, I mean, I think, you know, you guys kind of criticize me a little bit for having like a lot of being very picky, but like, it really comes down for me a few things: loyalty, fidelity, femininity, peace.
	Peace is the big one.
	Peace is very big because I'm already stressed enough dealing with fucking life and business and all that shit.
	The last thing I want to deal with or go home to is a combative woman.
	I think that if I could give any advice to a girl is not to be combative with your partner.
	Do not nag your partner.
	We don't, guys, we want peace.
	So, yeah.
	And then, I don't know, the other stuff.
	The masculine, independent stuff.
	Yeah, I would say.
	You don't want your girl pulling 30K on OnlyFans a month.
	It wouldn't matter.
	It wouldn't, and it shouldn't matter.
	To me, like it's not like if a girl is making her own money, like good.
	Good for you.
	That's cool.
	We're probably going to be able to do it.
	But tributes to the peace.
	Actually, not necessarily because honestly, to like the corporate world is super fucking cutthroat.
	To be a business owner is super fucking difficult and stressful.
	Like, I being self-employed for over 10 years, like, it's fucking stressful and there's bullshit.
	And especially the corporate world, there's fucking backstabbing.
	And to be like hyper-successful, it requires a certain degree of tenacity that is probably going to seep into your, like, how you are personally.
	Not always, but like, I've dated attorneys, for example, litigation attorneys.
	Damn.
	Not the most feminine women, let me just say.
	We'd rather have a woman that gives us peace that works at RVs than a super successful CEO.
	Gotcha.
	Give me the, I'll date like an attractive girl that works at Starbucks at McDonald's, even if I'm substantially out earning her.
	Like a woman's money, like if she makes it great and she's still cool, that's totally fine.
	But like I don't, it's not going to make a girl if she's a doctor, it doesn't make her like more attractive.
	Gotcha.
	You'd rather be aware of that.
	Awesome, go for it.
	She's a child, goal-oriented, ambitious, isn't attractive.
	Don't really necessarily care about that from the woman.
	There's nothing wrong with it.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Nothing wrong with it.
	Fucking go for it.
	That's perfect for your life.
	That's great.
	But in terms of making you more attractive to us, in the same way that, like, for example, a lot of girls would say a guy who's a doctor, he's a catch.
	A girl who's a doctor or a girl who's a barista, if you're nice, if we like you, it doesn't.
	It's not part of the equation.
	It's not part of the calculus.
	It doesn't really.
	It doesn't make a girl sexier.
	Although the one thing, the argument I could say for that in your favor would be if she was a doctor, she would have to be significantly smarter than the average woman, and I would find that attractive.
	So you do value intelligence.
	Absolutely.
	Which comes with goal-oriented.
	Not goals and intelligence don't correlate.
	I mean, if you had the goal to seek out intelligence and education, then, you know.
	Well, and then the other thing I would add to this is as far as a woman's ambition and subsequently her earning potential or her current earning status, women do not share their resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
	Women do not spoil men, generally speaking here, the same way that men will spoil women.
	Oh man, I've been doing it wrong.
	Well, apparently, I guess some, hey, there's some simp chicks out there, but like women do not, like, and we've, some of you guys were kind of with the first date thing, whatever.
	We've had girls come on the show and say, the guy should pay, the guy should pay for the date.
	Well, of course, if you're expecting the guy to pay, then the money you're bringing to the relationship is fucking irrelevant if you expect us to pay for anything anyways.
	I'll give you guys an example.
	I dated the woman who's an I dated a woman who's an attorney.
	This was years ago.
	She was out earning me.
	Litigation, $200,000, $300,000 a year.
	She told me, well, I really, even though I'm like independent, I'm an independent boss babe, strong, independent, I really like chivalry and I really like a guy who'll take care of me and take me on dates.
	I'm like, you outearn like 95% of men.
	Why should a fucking, why should a guy pay for you under these circumstances?
	So it's like, even when women do make a ton of money, they still aren't like paying.
	I mean, that's a pretty general statement.
	I'd have a different view.
	Like, for example, one of my past relationships, he had like $5 in his bank account.
	Like, I love the kid.
	Like, he's a great person.
	But who's paying when we went out?
	It's me.
	Sure.
	And we're still friends.
	Even when I hang out with him now, I like to help him out.
	You know, I don't have a ton of money, but.
	Well, I think you're being taken advantage of.
	But I mean, the exception really doesn't make the rule.
	And I guess I could prove that, prove this sort of like this, um, have, has any of you been, has a guy ever offered to fly you out somewhere in your DMS?
	Has a guy ever offered to fly you out?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	No, but the person I'm talking to is flying here to see me.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You've been offered to be flown out multiple times, maybe.
	Yeah.
	You might not take them up on it, but you get the offer, correct?
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Close into my guys.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I've offered.
	Okay.
	Guys don't get flown offers to be flown out by girls.
	That's the length to which men are prepared to spend resources to get women.
	I flew to a guy.
	Does that count?
	Had you known him?
	That's different.
	I mean, I'm talking, guys who offer to fly you out probably are not guys that you've met before, I'm assuming.
	They want to bring you to Miami.
	They want to bring you to LA.
	We don't take them up on their offer, but yes, I get a lot of people.
	Okay, can I ask you another question?
	What is the most extravagant date a guy has ever proposed or taken you out on?
	Well, someone knew I was really interested in going to Korea.
	And so they were like, let me take you on a trip for like three weeks, you know, all in Glenn.
	Have you met him before?
	No, never.
	He just followed me for a very long time.
	Actually, we met him.
	He came to see me at one of the conventions.
	Okay, what about you?
	What's like the most extravagant thing?
	I know you guys are in college, so it's like maybe the guys probably aren't going crazy, but.
	My Minnesota boy took me to Sushi Train, and we dropped like $200, I think.
	How old is he?
	He's 18.
	He's 18.
	He's putting in effort.
	That's effort.
	And let me ask.
	Okay, so he's 18.
	He paid for the whole thing?
	Trust me, I offered, but no, you wouldn't allow me to do it.
	Well, okay.
	There's not a lot of 18-year-old women that are taking men out on dates for $200.
	Go ahead.
	Most extravagant?
	Yeah.
	Most expensive, most extravagant?
	Probably no boo.
	How much is that?
	It's dinner.
	$400, $500 minimum.
	It depends if you're drinking or not.
	It's a couple hundred, though.
	Okay.
	And the guy paid for it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Recently no dates.
	No dates.
	Okay.
	I'm hoping for extravagant one, but you got this.
	Okay.
	When I lived in Miami, I had a guy take me on a yacht, which was...
	Wait, hold on.
	You've never been on a date before.
	No.
	Never.
	Never.
	That's wild.
	I feel like dates, like, it's like not a thing anymore.
	I swear.
	Well, you guys are in college.
	Yeah, and like, especially like in high school, if it's like not a thing.
	You know?
	What do you guys do instead?
	Just talk on the phone.
	So you're talking about Snapchat?
	Yeah, you just hang out.
	I don't, I don't know.
	See, I didn't go on many dates either until after high school, college.
	Right, yeah.
	The real world is when you start going on.
	Exactly.
	I mean, I get that.
	Wait, okay.
	I'll take you on a date.
	You down?
	How extravagant is you?
	How extravagant is you?
	I don't know.
	You know, here's the thing.
	I don't know.
	I've been incredibly toxic this entire night.
	So maybe you're thoroughly put off by my.
	I'm not giving the great first impression.
	Wow, that's a good endorsement.
	Okay, what do you down?
	Oh, you're being serious?
	Yeah, you can reject me.
	How old are you?
	33.
	You're 33.
	33.
	Dang, is that not weird?
	How old are you?
	18.
	It's not weird.
	Really?
	Nope.
	I like the older guys.
	No cop, no stop.
	I've never gone like 30 above.
	I think I might get a judge for that.
	These people in the chats already think I'm for the streets.
	Wait.
	I'm for the streets.
	Chat, do you guys ship us?
	Did you ship me and Diana?
	He doesn't even know my name.
	I said right.
	Automatically.
	Wait.
	Reason is indomitable.
	What's your name again?
	Wow.
	What's your name again?
	Guys, so actually, that's a negative.
	I don't go on dates with guys who don't know my name.
	To be fair, to be fair, there's one, two, three, four, five, six of you, you know?
	So I haven't committed your names to memories.
	I said it earlier, didn't I?
	You did.
	Would you actually go around the table and say our names?
	If you tried.
	I mean, you guys gave like weird waifu anime names.
	There are names, but okay.
	Honestly, the only girl's name who I remember is Tay.
	Same.
	Oh, thanks, guys.
	That's nice.
	That's really easy.
	I've known her for like a couple of years.
	Yeah.
	I just, for some reason, I think it's your Instagram because it's just Tay or something.
	Like, that's in the future.
	Well, it's just Tay.
	No, it's Tay Hope with two A's.
	Oh.
	So, wait, what's your first name?
	Damn.
	What's the first name?
	Just keep going.
	I think I just got my wires twisted.
	You should have just asked her to go to Starbucks with you.
	See if she asked her on a list.
	Write the name on the cup.
	He kind of fumbled with the name.
	Yeah.
	Story of my life, right?
	You did say her name earlier.
	I did say it earlier, so I guess you're on the right track.
	You were really quick.
	It starts with a D, right?
	Yeah, like you are on track.
	You just got it wrong.
	You were with your guy.
	It's Diana, is it?
	It is Diane.
	Oh, Diane.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I said Diana.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it was like one vowel.
	You can't.
	You got to cut me somewhere.
	I take that personally, the Dianas of the world.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	Where were we?
	So that's a yes, I'm assuming, right?
	I think you got rejected actually earlier.
	Oh, rip.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Go ahead.
	When I lived in Miami, I had a guy take me on a yacht.
	Oops.
	Which was fun.
	A guy take you on the yacht?
	Yep.
	can't really explain too much about it but it was like Dubai no I wish That would have been nice.
	I would say altogether the date was like $600.
	Damn.
	Tell you what, guys.
	I've had probably over, I don't know, a ton of first dates, 33.
	A girl bought me a burrito once.
	$10 burrito.
	What?
	Some of y'all are like getting flown out.
	Okay, so just to bring it back to my original thing, that's why women's money doesn't fucking matter because you don't share your resources with men.
	I do.
	Even if you're a motherfucker.
	You said a guy spent $600 on you on the first date.
	What's the most extravagant date that you took a guy on?
	And how much did it cost?
	A date or just spending a guy in general?
	First time.
	Not like your boyfriend that you've been with for two years.
	No, there's been guys that weren't my boyfriends that I've spent money on.
	How much?
	It wasn't the first date.
	How much?
	Oh, well.
	$230 flight.
	Okay, that's less than the most that a guy has spent on that.
	Yeah, but that is a rare occasion.
	It's still significant, but I can tell you this: the vast majority of guys, even really attractive guys, have never had those similar experiences.
	Women don't spend money on men the same way that men spend money on women.
	Is that what you're saying?
	So we don't receive any value.
	We don't receive benefit from your is your love language receiving material things?
	And have you communicated that to the people you're seeing?
	Because maybe they're trying to give you love in different ways.
	Like, for example, I'm a person who likes to touch and hug people.
	I mean, I think he's just saying that in general, it doesn't happen.
	Like, just the way things are set up.
	No, that's his love language was number one gifts.
	He's not going to get on.
	He's not getting it.
	It doesn't matter what your love language is.
	Girls are not moving in that way.
	That's very interesting.
	I feel like there's just a notion behind men that they want to show their wealth to women.
	I feel like it's just a thing.
	And girls take that.
	And it's like, okay, well, we don't really necessarily have the urge to.
	We could.
	I'm sure there's a great percentage of women who will do it.
	And in the future, probably more.
	But I feel like just men in general just like to show their wealth.
	And also, there's a lot of them.
	I'm so sorry.
	But the conversation was like why men don't really value a woman's ambition or her career.
	It's, I mean, there's a bunch of regions, but we don't reap any benefit.
	So why would we care?
	Whereas women, you do get benefit.
	If a guy's a high earner, you're probably going to see a little bit of that in some way.
	Well, and also, I feel like there's a lot of men that are jaded too, that they're used to not getting things.
	So, when they do, like, it's a double-edged sword because there's guys that I have done nice things for in the past.
	I've paid for things, and they were almost taken back in an offensive type way.
	And they're like, no, women don't spend money on me, or I don't, or they don't receive gifts well because they're not used to it.
	Maybe they just don't like getting things bought for them.
	Even guys that it's not even about them wanting or not wanting things bought, they just don't receive it well because societally maybe they haven't received it in the past.
	So, it's really a case-by-case basis.
	Okay, let's move on.
	I really got to get caught up on this super chats here.
	Wait, hold on.
	Did I?
	Yo, Zentians.
	Okay, I think this did this go out as a TTS?
	I read this one.
	Yo, Zentians, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Ninja Smokehouse, thank you for the $20 Super Chat.
	She basically wants you to date as if you're a woman.
	Ignore your preferences because it's not worth focusing on.
	Your past matter because as a man, it shows us how you think and the potential future we may have together.
	That goes back to the body count thing.
	Thank you, man.
	Yo, lukewarm $20 Super Chat.
	Attraction between the sexes is a weighted sum.
	The factors may be the same, but the weights are different.
	Good point.
	Very good point, Luke.
	Thank you, man.
	M. Martin, thank you for the $20 Super Chat.
	My bona fides.
	I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right.
	Bona fides.
	Bona fides?
	Bona fides.
	I work at a think tank in Tennessee.
	We do anthropological studies across the globe.
	Ladies, the number of sexual partners you have will directly affect your future relationships.
	It's biology.
	Accept it or not.
	Any fro with the Canadian $20 Super Chat, girls as you value, prefer ambition, discipline, and drive goals in men, ETV, or maybe etc.
	Men care about the thought processes used by women for who they select to be with and why the core variability is morality.
	The big, big dog, thank you, man, for the $20 Super Chat.
	I don't care about body count.
	They think just because most women don't care about a man's body count that men shouldn't.
	Just like women think, men think, men think.
	Wait, hold on.
	Just like women think, men think, men care about their income because they care about a man's income.
	True.
	Yo, Alto Clef TV, thank you for the $20 Super Chat.
	The fact that you put such a high value to stuff like virginity and putting aside the emotional aspect of a relationship is the most incel take I've heard.
	You aren't a high value man.
	You are peak incel.
	Okay, hater.
	Yeah, the fact high value.
	I mean, you can say that Alto Clef TV, but I think we found one of the OnlyFans subs here for one of the girls, but we don't know him.
	Oh, sure.
	You guys were a little looking at each other a little bit.
	He's impressed.
	I mean, this guy obviously didn't listen.
	Putting aside the emotional aspect of a relationship, bruv, I don't think you listened.
	Body count is not the sole thing that we care about.
	You can care about something and it not be the only thing you care about.
	But you guys put a huge, huge emphasis on it.
	Like, it's the biggest thing you think about and talk about all the time.
	We don't think about it all the time.
	It's every podcast I've watched.
	I did a little research, you know.
	No, it does come up in a lot of the podcasts.
	It's an interesting thing to certainly discuss.
	And all men in this area.
	Sure, but I have a very low body count, but I'm still saying that it's okay to have a high body count for women.
	Well, it's just funny.
	Like, women who even aren't promiscuous are prepared to defend promiscuity.
	It's just, it's...
	Because it should be fine for everyone to be promiscuous.
	It's fine for you.
	Let me clarify this.
	As a woman, you're free to do whatever you want.
	If you want to sleep with seven new guys a week.
	Right, and you're free to not choose a woman who's not.
	Yes, that's a point I'm about to make: is I can choose not to deal with you because you're promiscuous.
	Right, but then are you going to spend your entire career talking about how you are choosing women who aren't promiscuous and looking for women who aren't promiscuous instead of just going out there and like finding who you actually click with and not thinking about all these extra curriculums?
	Well, I mean, it's my podcast show and it happens to come up.
	Totally.
	I understand.
	I will gladly, I will continue to talk about body count because women continue to come on the show and seem to have, if I ask them if there's one thing that they quarrel with in terms of men's preferences, they're like, why do you guys judge body count?
	And I'll continue to have the conversations.
	The chat wants to talk about it, so I'll continue to talk about it.
	But I mean.
	And another thing about that is if you are promiscuous, not only can we smell it a mile away, I think I read that earlier, but we know you're not only promiscuous for us and with us.
	Look, here's another reason why body count matters.
	If a girl's kind of sleeping around, my impression there is she's not relationship material.
	She honestly necessarily is not relationship material.
	I don't like you're not interested in a relationship if you're sleeping around with multiple people.
	May I just say that like I had a really good friend, not this one, a different one, who was trying to find like a serious relationship.
	But you know what?
	She was sleeping with other people because she wanted to see how the sex was before continuing on down the line of a serious relationship.
	And I think that's what a lot of women with a slightly higher body count have right now is that they're meeting a lot of men who they're sleeping with and then the men ghost them or whatever and they have no choice but to then have that body count.
	Maybe they thought it was going to be a relationship.
	Maybe they thought it was going to be great.
	But they get ghosted, guy moves on to the next girl and they have to move on.
	In order to find that end partner who's going to click with you on all aspects, sexuality, intimacy, intelligence, you have to try.
	I was just lucky that, you know, or maybe unlucky that I have, I find it really hard to get intimate with people who I'm not close with.
	But like other people don't.
	So why should they be put down for that?
	I don't necessarily think that, and I don't think I said that they should be put down.
	I'm saying that for me and for a lot of men, if a woman is promiscuous, she's probably not a good bet for a long-term relationship.
	But are you talking about like past or present?
	Because I feel like body counts.
	That doesn't make sense because you could have like a ho phase like what three years ago and then you're ready to settle.
	Right.
	It doesn't like like mean that you're not ready to commit if you had a ho phase, you know?
	I mean, that's kind of, or if you've had a ho phase, that's a bit of a red flag.
	But like you had, and like, you know, like everyone like needs to look around before they settle for a relationship.
	Like, I don't think.
	But it kind of just goes back just because something's in your past.
	I mean, again, if I can bring up this example, if I found out that a girl cheated on every, or if you found out that a guy cheated on every single one of his exes, even though that was in the past, you're still going to be like, that's going to raise an eyebrow.
	Your past.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to think.
	Would you date a guy who previously slept with prostitutes?
	If he's clean and he hasn't done it for a very long time and he tests clean and he tells me, look, this was a good time.
	It was a year ago.
	Let's say it was a year ago.
	He was sleeping with a whole bunch of prostitutes.
	He's clean, but he was sleeping with prostitutes.
	A year ago is a little soon for me.
	I would want it to be like three years ago, maybe more.
	But like if he's moved on from that life, like say you are dating a recovered drug addict, like it's the same thing.
	Are you going to put it against them?
	Yes.
	Oh, wow.
	So men are allowed to have standards.
	Of course.
	So if you were previously addicted to heroin.
	Right.
	As someone who doesn't do any drugs, who hasn't done, I smoked weed a few times in high school.
	Don't, I haven't smoked weed since the Bush administration.
	Okay.
	I don't, if someone was previously addicted to heroin, for example, I'm not interested.
	Right.
	Point blank, period.
	That's totally fine.
	However, it doesn't mean that they are like cursed, you know?
	Like, it doesn't mean that they are a low-value person or something.
	If they're recovered and fully living their lives, moved on.
	It's the same thing.
	It precludes them from having a relationship with me.
	That's fine.
	I don't, I mean, I don't personally care, but like, I think that a lot of people.
	Don't worry about it.
	Okay.
	I think that a lot of people, like, sure, you're looking for something very specific, right?
	And you're looking for a low body count, 411.
	No, okay, hold on.
	Specific.
	I am.
	4-11.
	I mean, he's looking for a low body count from 4-11 virgin.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	F11.
	Can you pull it back up, Eric?
	Sorry, guys, our OBS.
	Go ahead, continue.
	You're looking for something very specific.
	But then you're coming on your podcast and you're kind of calling out women for looking for specific things with height and stuff like that.
	And it's totally different.
	I'm not.
	Okay.
	I'm not.
	So are you just saying that it's comparable?
	No, I acknowledge that women, generally speaking, have a preference for tall men.
	I don't complain about it.
	I acknowledge it exists.
	Here's the thing, right?
	Women want to say, you shouldn't care about body count or body count doesn't matter.
	Women can't accept, you might be dissatisfied with the fact that men care about body count.
	Okay.
	But women seem to want to refuse the idea that it ought to matter and does matter for men.
	No, it's fine if it matters to you.
	And I certainly acknowledge that women are much pickier than men are.
	Right.
	And it's fine if it matters to you personally, but if it's just, it's a concept as a whole in the zeitgeist right now.
	Body count.
	It's like constantly talked about.
	And I think that it's not as important as people make it.
	I think there's so much more to a relationship.
	Being a good mom is like the most important thing you should look for if you want to have kids.
	Well, don't date single moms.
	Oh.
	No, if you want to have kids, you should be looking for somebody who's going to be a good mom.
	And that should be your top priority.
	Who's going to be able to feed, take care, dress my kids, and make them look perfect, have a happy family with me, make me happy at the end of the day when I come home from work.
	That's what you should look for.
	And it doesn't mean if she had eight sexual partners before or something that she's going to be a bad mother.
	I don't disagree with you that you have to look at the totality of the person.
	It's not just one single metric.
	And that's either that's going to make them, for example.
	I'm not saying that.
	I have a question.
	Okay.
	So let's say like, so because you said girls are more picky than guys.
	They are.
	It's pretty valid.
	But so it's like you're not going to date just anybody.
	So you're kind of looking around.
	So what if like a girl goes on a date, doesn't really vibe with the person, and then gets a call from like an old hookup is like, hey, want to hook up?
	She takes the offer, hooks up with him, goes on another date, doesn't vibe, like does the same thing.
	Is that a turnoff for you or like, because she's just looking for the right person, but is hooking up in between those dates.
	Is it with the same person?
	It could be the same person, or it could be two different people.
	Look, I think people are free to do whatever they want.
	my personal take is is that i think that for both men and women you should if you're sleeping with someone that should be to some degree purposeful it shouldn't just like i don't know I mean, that's my take.
	Some people are content being in situationships for nine months and then it ending and commitment phobic, commitment phobia.
	People are fine with it.
	But for me, I think if you're sleeping with someone, you should at least have an intention to pursue something serious with them.
	So, but your question is, would it be a turnoff for me if a girl is going on dates and not feeling the vibe?
	Which that whole vibe thing is another conversation.
	But and she's like hooking up with I don't think.
	Here's the thing.
	I don't think you should be who.
	I think whoever you're sleeping with, I think you should just be sleeping with one person at a time.
	I don't think you should be dating and hooking up with another guy at the same time.
	Okay if, if you're dating, be properly single, be that.
	That's what I would like to see.
	But what if you actually, for like a year, when you're just not having sex for a whole year wait, what like it'd say, like if you like can't properly find a guy that you want to date and have sex with for like a year, that means you're saying the girl should be celibate for a whole year.
	Basically sure, so sure really okay, i'll actually allow.
	I i'll actually allow you go ahead and go ahead and do what you want.
	I mean i'd prefer you don't do it with five six seven, eight men.
	If you had, if you had one or two in that 12 month period okay, that's understandable.
	You have your needs, we have, everybody has needs.
	So just, I mean you're, you're free to.
	If you want to do a hookup, you want to engage in hookup culture.
	I don't think it's particularly rewarding, I don't think people are particularly happy with it.
	But if you want to do it, if it uh, if it satisfies a short-term pleasure-seeking thing in you, then you're you're free to do it.
	But uh, I I think people ought to.
	As far as who they have sex with, I think you should be angling to pursue something seriously with that person.
	If not, why?
	Why have sex?
	Well, I can think of reasons why to have sex, but I, to me, I think it's.
	I mean, you're just gonna rack up your body count and yeah, I think the woman should always, if they're getting sexual with somebody, they should always be trying to angle it into a relationship.
	Now, when it, when that comes to a man, you could say that sex is to say opposite.
	But a man's going to sleep around and not care about the possibility of relationship.
	But a woman, I think always should if she's going to be promiscuous and open her legs.
	They should be always in mind of a relationship.
	Ultimately, what I would like is, if i'm going on a first date with a girl, come properly single.
	Don't be fucking a guy here and fucking this guy and like talking to these three dudes over here come proper Single.
	If I find out I'm not the only one, and obviously you're never really the only one these days.
	But the moment you find out, the moment you find out, you're gone.
	I'm done.
	And I'm not giving you a second chance.
	I'm just, I've lost a lot of time.
	Did you drop everybody after you met me?
	Goodbye.
	There we go.
	Oh, wait, fuck, hold on.
	Yeah, it's just, I don't know, man.
	Be properly single.
	And I don't know, like I said, if I find out, or like Cade said, excuse me, if I find out that I'm seeing you and we have sex and you're fucking another guy, it's done.
	And maybe you're okay with that.
	Maybe you're okay with seeing multiple guys at the same time.
	But for me, it's just, it is the thought of sleeping with a girl.
	And maybe you guys might relate because maybe the thought of you guys sleeping with a guy who just fucked a girl three hours earlier might in your stomach might give you a little disgust for STD.
	But I don't care what he's done 10 years, five years ago.
	You know, that's the difference.
	His body count doesn't matter that much.
	I care if he's fucking another girl, you know, right now, this week.
	I want him to come single.
	Exactly.
	I want him to be invested in the relationship.
	But if he slept around, you know, if he had a whole phase, I wouldn't necessarily care as long as he's way past that and ready to commit.
	And I don't understand why it's different, frankly.
	I think you guys go back to like evolution and lizard brain, and I understand that that's your preference, but I just don't think that like it should be like societally that girls need to have a lower count and guys don't have to care.
	Like I don't think that's right.
	Because to me, sex is more than just sport fucking.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I'm really fair with you, buddy.
	If you fucked a hundred people, I don't care if it's in your past, you have detached intimacy from the act of sex.
	You have rewired your brain.
	It's fried.
	You're done.
	Like, it's just.
	There's no fixing it for you.
	Like, they couldn't go through therapy.
	They couldn't work it out.
	It's not about therapy.
	You have detached intimacy from sex.
	It's gone.
	And now you're going to have a harder time bonding with anybody in the future.
	You're going to have a hard time.
	You're gonna have a harder time pair bonding and you're gonna bring it's also baggage Like the more past partners you've had, you're coming with more baggage.
	And that's why it's better to date somebody.
	I think I've taken this from Andrew Tate.
	I think it's way better.
	I mean, it depends on how mature the woman is at 19, 20, but it is hard to have a relationship with somebody that young.
	But I do think it is better to date somebody with less bodies, with less time in the dating market, because that way you're dealing with less baggage.
	And that way they become a better person.
	See, men, if they have trauma in their life, they use that trauma to become a better man.
	Women that have trauma in their life, it makes it harder for them to go through life.
	Women that have trauma, it's hard for them to get past.
	Men that have trauma, it molds you into a bigger, better man.
	Are you joking?
	What are you saying, dude?
	You should take that back.
	As someone who's experienced a lot of trauma, so it's a really interesting thing to say.
	So I'm not sure exactly where I stand on this, but what you're saying is men's trauma makes them women's trauma breaks them.
	Absolutely.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	That mentality works the same for men and women.
	Like, I feel like trauma can also make a woman stronger.
	When is the last time, when is the last time that a woman is a grape victim?
	Maybe she's gotten, maybe she's gotten graped multiple times, but that trauma is going to follow her for the rest of her life.
	Oh, God.
	You could say the same thing about a man.
	Women say the same thing about a man.
	I was literally going to say this.
	Okay, on the topics of body counts and stuff, you talked about having a certain amount of partners.
	You're detached from the idea of intimacy.
	What if a woman experienced at any point in her life, whether it be at a young age or recently, she was affected by like sexual abuse in any type of way, and that affected her detachment from intimacy?
	Is that going to make you think differently about her body count now?
	About her body?
	Well, wait, about making trauma.
	Because of the sexual abuse that she received, and it created detachment to intimacy when it comes to sex.
	How's that related to body count, though?
	It's still going to make it harder to bond.
	It's still going to make it harder to bond.
	It's still going to make it harder to date them.
	It's still going to make it harder for them to be a wife.
	Trauma breaks women.
	Trauma builds women.
	Trauma builds men.
	Trauma.
	We don't have to go through and talk about each individual trauma.
	But who do you know in your life as a female has gone through a lot of trauma and came out 10 times stronger from it?
	Are you serious?
	Me, I could list so many.
	What if a guy got raped?
	Where do you stand in that?
	Come on.
	Let's maybe move away from the grape topic.
	Yeah, could you be physically assaulted and then come out 10 times stronger?
	I will say this.
	I will say this.
	One thing I noticed about the whole trauma thing is that let's talk about within the context of breakups.
	When a dude gets, or when like, when a girl, sorry, when a guy gets either dumped or curved or rejected by a girl, he's like, I'm going to fucking hit the gym.
	That's what I do too.
	And then when a girl gets dumped by a guy or some shit, it's like, ho-faze, boom.
	Wow.
	I disagree.
	I disagree.
	See, why would you disagree with that?
	So many women tried to bed in the grad school.
	I focused on myself.
	I didn't sleep with anyone.
	I got a great body.
	I glued up.
	A lot of women like to immediately change their hair after a breakup.
	We have a glow-up.
	That's what it's called.
	It's called becoming a baddie.
	Hold on, guys.
	All right.
	We do have to get these soup chats out of the way just so we can wrap up here pretty soon.
	Okay, so we have, let's see.
	Oh, really quick on the because this is what triggered this conversation once again.
	Alto Clef.
	By the way, bass clef is better dork.
	Okay.
	Fucking any music majors in the chat?
	Hello?
	Okay, so stuff like virginity.
	Up until very recently, Alto Clef TV.
	Whatever the, okay.
	Men and women valued sexual purity.
	It's not until the 60s or so when that went out the window.
	So men throughout all human history have valued female innocence and female virginity.
	And also women have valued male virginity.
	Here in the West, which up until very recently has been a Christian, Christian, the West has been Christian.
	Virginity has been valued in both genders.
	So I don't know what you're on about.
	But, okay, anyways, M. Martin with the $50 Sup Chat, because of oxytocin and estrogen, the more partners you have adulterates your femininity.
	It makes you more jaded, disconnected, pessimistic.
	Trauma develops us.
	It scars you.
	That's how trauma acts through the filter of testosterone versus estrogen.
	Okay.
	This is all backed up by scientific studies and biology.
	100%.
	Coming straight out of M. Martin's ass.
	Thank you, M. Martin, for the $50 Sup Chat.
	Yo, Zentians with your $50 Sup Chat, man.
	Thank you.
	Men focusing on body count is justifiably valid because we look at your lack of mental and moral fortitude.
	That indiscriminate behavior shows she will lack virtuous conviction when it comes to us and our children/slash family name.
	Women represent, oh, I think this came in as a TTS.
	Hey, Zentians.
	You man.
	I don't know if you're still in the chat, but shout out to you, dude.
	You've been supporting us so much these past few shows.
	Really appreciate all these super chats, man.
	You're fucking legends.
	Thank you, Z. Sean Jackson, $20 Super Chat.
	Ladies, you can be promiscuous.
	Just understand that men don't want to commit to women like that, mainly because we can't trust that the kids are ours.
	Plus, committing to a known 304 lowers our status amongst other men.
	I think one of the big things that men want out of life, I don't know if a lot of people or I guess a lot of women know like what men want.
	And one of the big things men want is respect and status.
	And if our buddy knows that we're dating a girl that's slept with a lot of people, like that will lower our status.
	I mean, just to add to one of the other things.
	So you're not enough to just be yourself.
	You have to have a woman represent you.
	What do you mean?
	We're all seeking.
	We all want to align with people that will.
	Right, but if my man like fails and stuff, it doesn't make me feel like less of a woman.
	Let me tell you another reason why women care about height.
	It's not just an evolutionary biological thing because men who are taller or who are physically larger are more capable of protecting and providing for you.
	It's also a bit of a, there's a social component too.
	Women will perhaps be ridiculed.
	Oh, you're with a shorter guy.
	I don't think that's right, but they might be ridiculed by their female friends or they might be looked down upon.
	So women are just as much as men are going to look to align to men that will kind of bolster their status to a degree.
	Hmm.
	If a man has actually, here's another thing: women typically need a co-sign from their female friends.
	I don't know if you guys can agree with this.
	Women will seek advice from their female friends.
	They want to co-sign on a guy.
	Whereas men, we don't need to go to our friends and be like, hey, what do you think of that?
	We know so much about women.
	Women need you say women will do this.
	Women will do that.
	Come on.
	Okay, sir.
	You don't be like, hey, this is my girl.
	Like, isn't she cute?
	No, I don't talk.
	And that's another difference between men and women.
	You guys share a lot of intimate details with your girlfriends, whereas we don't share anything about our girl.
	Nothing.
	I would never yo, kid.
	I would never, like with any of my guy friends, I would never, like, girls will disclose.
	Girls will disclose to even casual acquaintances the size of the dude's penis.
	You guys will share fucking everything.
	You guys are picking the lowest, worst fucking women you've interacted with and saying girls will do this.
	And I also true.
	Women 100%, not 100%.
	Women.
	I've never mocked somebody's penis size.
	I didn't say mock.
	I'm saying women will disclose very, very, very intimate details about a girlfriend.
	And guys don't do that.
	Guys show each other girlfriends nudes.
	Like, are you pushing me?
	I would never, I would never fucking show each other.
	With maturity, it's different, but like high school is so different.
	I know there's a very immature woman that would do that too.
	The amount of men that even tell their women friends about the girls that they've slept with in full detail, what their insides feel like, how wet it works, all this stuff.
	I can guess, I can ask more than two hands.
	We're not telling him because we want validation.
	We're not telling them because we want validation.
	What do you want from telling other women or men about telling our friends explodation?
	I've never told a girl.
	I'm just saying.
	Do these pants make my butt look big?
	Because you want that validation.
	You need to know.
	It's not about men.
	It's not about men.
	It's about women.
	No, I can tell you right now, I can count on two hands, and I'm not exaggerating one bit, the amount of men that I've been friends with or that I've encountered in my life that have talked about their sex life in full detail and women that they've fucked and how they've fucked out and how they're not.
	We're not looking for approval out of it.
	And women aren't.
	Does it matter?
	If you talk to your girlfriends, Joe, let's ask the chat.
	Hold on, how many do we have in the chat here?
	Okay, we have almost 700 people in the chat.
	Okay.
	I don't know how I'm going to frame this, but one in the chat, if you have never disclosed to a man or a woman.
	Hold on, let me think I'm going to frame this.
	Okay.
	One in the chat, they're already going to probably start saying one.
	One in the chat, if you've never disclosed to a male friend intimate details.
	I'm going to see whatever you say, buddy.
	This isn't a proper way to do this.
	I've had a man disclose to me intimate details about fucking women.
	Just because you won't doesn't mean that other guys don't.
	Just because I won't do it doesn't mean that the girls don't.
	That's what I'm saying.
	The exception is speaking the worst of the worst.
	But I think you have a general point.
	The exception doesn't.
	In general, my guy friends don't chat with their guy friends like I chat with my girlfriends.
	Like, in general, that's not the case with everybody.
	But I, yeah, I should say that's a pretty valid point.
	But I don't think girls are always asking for advice or validation.
	There are times, yes, I have asked for validation, but there are also times where I just want to talk about it.
	Yeah, you just want to chat.
	Yeah.
	But like if I'm talking about, if one of your girlfriends tells you, like, oh, he's kind of like, he's kind of weird or something, it's done.
	It's done.
	Whereas like, I'm not.
	You can keep that in your mind.
	How do you get it?
	Whereas President Cotton was.
	And if any girl says, oh, I don't like him, we had a weird interaction five years ago.
	You will keep that in your mind permanently.
	Diane's actually encouraged me multiple times to give guys a second chance.
	Okay, but has she ever told you stay away from that guy's no good?
	Yeah, if he wasn't, then you go.
	Well, then that, then that's totally valid.
	But men, we don't really need like a cosign.
	For example, if we're like going to go home with a girl or something, I don't go to bars.
	I don't go to clubs.
	I don't drink.
	Occasionally I'll have like a beer or whatever once, maybe three times a year, I'll have one beer.
	I don't drink.
	But if a guy's at the club with his boys and there's like a girl he's talking to, like he'll just, he doesn't need to like check with his male friends and like get the cosign.
	I know men that do.
	I've never seen a coming.
	Yeah, I do see.
	It's not for a cosign.
	It's to brag.
	Not always.
	We're not looking for a cosign.
	We're looking, we're like, we're showing the size of our balls, basically.
	While you women are like, should I go home with you?
	Hey, do you think this guy's cute when you go to the bathroom?
	Hey, should I go home with him?
	Yeah.
	I mean, here we go.
	There's a very good chance that you will not go home with him.
	That's a good point.
	So you're basically saying that if Your guys, if you're out with your guys and you're talking to a girl and you're feeling her, right?
	And you're going to take her home and the guys are like, oh man, I don't know if you should do that, kid.
	You're going to be like, dude, shut the fuck up.
	What are you talking about?
	But if the girlfriends say, I don't know.
	I think it also comes from a safety precaution on our end, too, because I'm not going to let my friend go home with somebody that deems it.
	Throw the protection out, throw the safety out the window.
	We're talking about women.
	We're talking about the looks and looks alone.
	Women are like a mother.
	Is he cute enough to go home with?
	We're talking about looks.
	We're not talking about safety.
	Is he good-looking enough for you to go home with him?
	But as you can see, if your girlfriend has to take care of him, we're not talking about that.
	We're not talking about that.
	That could be an entire different conversation by itself.
	It all is factored in.
	It all is factoring.
	If you're talking about, if you cater to looks and only looks, if this discussion is about the looks, if the girl says, hey, babe, I don't think he's good-looking enough for you, you're going to take that into consideration.
	And you might not go home with him because what your girlfriend thinks.
	That has never once happened to me.
	I mean, there's no.
	How old are you?
	19.
	Have you been clubbing yet?
	Yeah.
	You've been to the clubs in LA?
	You don't have to go to clubs.
	I'm from Minnesota.
	Minnesota.
	It happens a lot.
	I don't think I have an accent at all.
	Okay, I've been to the clubs in LA and I've never once asked for any of my girlfriend's approvals on looks.
	I've never needed to do that.
	I've never.
	They're giving.
	Okay, well, I feel like we're getting away from, I don't even know what the original conversation was, but I think it was something about the cosine.
	And I don't remember.
	Let's just continue with the super chats.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Did we do this one?
	Wait, did we do this one?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Sean Jackson, $20 Super Chat.
	Ladies, you can be promiscuous just to understand that.
	I think I did this one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Arnold Mugaith.
	Okay, cool.
	$20 Super Chat.
	Would you rather date a guy who is broke but you knew would be rich and a much better man in five years, or date a man that is already rich and has already worked on himself to be better and why?
	That's a big question.
	Really quick, just quick response from everybody on this.
	Go ahead.
	The first one.
	I'd rather build.
	I don't, I mean.
	Into the mic.
	I guess the first one.
	I don't really care.
	Probably the first one.
	I mean, if he's already good, then the second one.
	The first one.
	I've been on both ends of the spectrum, but I would rather with the first.
	Got it.
	Yo, Chaz with the big $20 Soup Chat.
	By the way, wait, if you were interested in a guy, how would you let him know that you're interested?
	By the way, guys, Chaz has been helping us out with the time stamps.
	He's probably doing it right now.
	Yo, W's in the chat for Chaz.
	I want to see W's in the chat for him.
	He's killing it with the time stamps.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate you, dude.
	Okay, if you're interested in a guy, how would you let him know that you're interested?
	Just go ahead.
	Let's start over here on this side, so we.
	I mean, straightforward.
	I think it's best not to beat around the bush.
	Okay.
	So how would you do that then?
	I would not beat around the bush.
	Let's say you see you see a guy at the club.
	He's like, that's hot.
	That's hot.
	He's hot.
	That's hot.
	Paris.
	How are you going to let him know that you're interested?
	Are you just going to look at them for two seconds and then never look at them again the rest of the night?
	Because I feel like that's how a lot of women convey their interest.
	I guess it's situational.
	I would probably go off my instinct on how I felt in the moment.
	Probably go up to him, approach him, introduce myself.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	I feel like if I saw someone in.
	You could scoot the microphone that way.
	If I saw someone in a club, I feel like I would give them like Some eyes, and then they would come over.
	Oh, yeah.
	I feel like I would make eye contact first and see if he's also reciprocating, and then I would just ask for his name.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Just like see if they look interested because I feel like guys are always doing that thing where they're like scanning.
	And then if they are, like, walk up and just have a normal conversation and then read it from there.
	You're gonna walk up?
	Yeah, I've done it before.
	She can confirm.
	You saw me do it.
	Yeah.
	I like to be pretty bold with it.
	If I like it, you're gonna know.
	Really?
	Like at the state fair, how I met the guy I'm talking to right now.
	It wasn't through mutual friends.
	I saw him at the state fair.
	At the state fair.
	Yes, sir.
	I saw him and I walked up to him and we just started talking and that was it.
	Wow.
	More than you do.
	Yeah, props.
	Hell yeah.
	Good for you.
	Good for you.
	So wait, let's roleplay.
	Pretend I'm, what's his name?
	Cornelius?
	Okay, pretend I'm Cornelius.
	Oh, Jake?
	Yep.
	You would go for a Jake.
	Okay.
	Would you go for a Chaz?
	Chaz.
	That's a gangster name.
	What?
	How dare you?
	Chaz.
	I want you to apologize to Chaz.
	Say sorry.
	Okay.
	I'm Jake.
	Is he a white guy?
	How tall is he?
	Six foot.
	Okay.
	And he pays for $200 sushi dates.
	Okay.
	So let's do a reenactment.
	What did you precisely?
	What did you do?
	His friends were walking.
	Wait, hold on.
	We're going to stand up for this.
	Good, do you have a cowboy hat?
	Yeah, do you have a cowboy hat?
	Because you kind of need that.
	He seems more like a tribute type of guy.
	He's a cowboy hack guy.
	Yo, what's up?
	I'm Jake.
	Oh, he's a cowboy hat.
	Yeah.
	So you like them country boys?
	I do like my country boys.
	Yes.
	I don't have a cowboy hat.
	That's a little better.
	That's a little better.
	That's more in the style of that.
	Yeah, that's a little better.
	Okay.
	Go.
	Well, we're sitting down.
	I know, but just let's stay seated.
	So his friends walking this way.
	I'm walking this way with my friends.
	I see him.
	I stop.
	I just walked up to him and his friends.
	And we just hit it off.
	Well, okay.
	Hold on.
	Well, okay.
	You walked up.
	Well, first off, I give you props for doing that.
	Yes.
	What did you say?
	Hi.
	That's it.
	That's all it takes.
	I think he actually said something.
	Oh, that actually happens a lot.
	Well, I was going to say girls have dating on easy mode, but okay.
	So, okay, you walked up, you just said hi, and then he carried the rest of the conversation, I'm assuming.
	Not necessarily.
	I think, you know, how it usually goes, hi.
	What's your name?
	You know, where are you from?
	Snapchat, whatever.
	Wait, question.
	So had you spotted him before and then, like, you set it up in such a way that you would cross paths?
	I literally saw him.
	You saw him as he was walking by just beelined.
	No shit.
	When you get a feeling, you get a feeling, you just have to go for it.
	Hey, I give you props for that.
	How long has it been?
	I give you props.
	A little under a month.
	It's very new.
	That's a yikes, though.
	Well, I met him.
	Long distance.
	I met him in August.
	But we've just started hanging out.
	It's not.
	Long distance is not.
	Especially.
	I wouldn't say it's long distance because we're not.
	He lives in Minnesota.
	We're not in a relationship yet.
	We're just talking.
	And honestly, I think this is like.
	Are you entertaining other options right now?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, you are in.
	You are leading to what will inevitably be.
	It's a relationship at the moment, right?
	It will inevitably, inevitably be a long-distance relationship if it does come to that.
	He's in Minnesota.
	You're in California.
	For now.
	He's going to move here?
	Not necessarily, but it's not going to.
	The long distance part of it would be pretty short.
	How?
	You're going to drop out of UCSP?
	Not saying that.
	Just for reasons I'm not going to comment on.
	He's got a private jet.
	Hello?
	I mean, he is flying out.
	Like, I've known him for a while.
	I've really known him for no, for like two weeks.
	Okay, but then he goes back to Minnesota for a couple months.
	I go back to Minnesota, so it's really not that long that we're not seeing each other.
	That is a long distance relationship.
	I honestly see this as beneficial because, you know, when you're in that honeymoon bubble stage with someone, it's really easy to be infatuated with their looks and the physical aspect of it.
	I just have to rely on his personality.
	You know, he calls me every day.
	He hypes me up.
	He still gives me attention.
	He's around for the right reasons.
	Okay, but when you saw him, you did not walk up to him and introduce yourself and beeline for him because of his personality.
	I didn't know him yet.
	Right, so but physical attraction is important.
	Okay, but that was the basis for you walked up to him because I am assuming you being so overt like that, you found him to be exceptionally attractive.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Well, so the physical attraction is already established.
	Yeah, but you wouldn't say that like when you're in the honeymoon stage with a girl, like you don't get carried away with like, I don't know, you like them so much because they're right there.
	Like y'all can like cuddle and whatever.
	When you just have to rely on personality, it really like puts the connection to the test.
	Oh, so talking and not having sex.
	Cade, what do you think about that?
	I'm actually kind of sort of talking to somebody on the other side of the country right now.
	He is not going to back you up.
	Okay, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	She's a unicorn.
	She's a unicorn.
	Is Jake a unicorn?
	Is he your unicorn?
	I don't know, but he's pretty good.
	You beelined for him, so maybe.
	I did beeline for him.
	But I do think it is important to test that physical, the physical part of the relationship.
	It is important.
	Yeah.
	Like, you might, how long did you have to?
	Have you been out in person before you left?
	Like, two weeks.
	Did you hook up?
	Have you guys had sex?
	No comment.
	That's a yes.
	That's important.
	So, yeah.
	That's a yes.
	Yes.
	As long as you know, can we get some W's in the chat for Jake?
	Fucking good job, dude.
	Yeah, Jake is going to be listening to this, and he's like, fuck, he's watching.
	Yo.
	Jake the Chad.
	Okay, Jake's a legend.
	Don't nobody go through her Instagram and find a Jake.
	Oh, Jesus.
	Wait, so okay.
	Long distance relationships are L's, I think.
	Yeah, I agree.
	But you're in a long distance not even sometimes it's worth it, you know?
	My first relationship started long distance and it ended up being three and a half years.
	Where is he now?
	Better off in the trash.
	Okay, well, there you go.
	It's just like.
	So, but do you feel that you wasted time?
	Oh, shit, they actually found him.
	No, I don't think.
	They find him already.
	RIP, RIP in the chat.
	Wait, do you...
	Internet detected.
	Did you tell him that you're going on this?
	Yeah, he's probably watching.
	No, W's in the chat.
	W's in the chat.
	Oh, my God.
	Under 60 seconds.
	Wow.
	Oh, Jesus.
	Okay.
	Do you see why I don't give out personal information?
	Cybersecurity.
	The name, we should have said John.
	We should have said John.
	We should have said that.
	We should have said Chaz.
	You should have said Chaz.
	Wait, so you guys committed to each other?
	I mean, I'm not talking to anybody else.
	He's not talking to anybody else.
	He told you that?
	That's expectation, yeah.
	Well, did you overtly have that conversation?
	You guys are, I mean, that's a long-distance relationship.
	But we're not in a relationship yet.
	You guys are committed to each other.
	Yeah, but when I had a conversation.
	Would you say talking to someone is in a relationship?
	I don't talk to multiple times.
	I mean, I think that's a good question.
	But I think if you've had a conversation about exclusivity, there is, I feel like people are just unwilling to put labels on things nowadays because they want to keep their options open.
	Actually, end a relationship if you want to put a label on it too fast.
	Yeah, I agree.
	And I think it's really sad.
	I think you have to feel the personality and get to know them first.
	Let's say you want, like, hey, I want to be exclusive with you.
	If you ask to be exclusive too quick, that will give the girl the ick.
	Oh, God.
	Okay, so you just went up to Jake, you said hi.
	Wait, can I ask you guys a question semi-related to this?
	So a lot of you said that you have initiated with guys.
	You've gone up to guys.
	You know, you made the first move, right?
	What was your success rate for when you initiated?
	We'll start over here and move this way.
	Wait, like, what's like success?
	Yeah, so like, let's say you go up to a guy, and I'm not saying it ends up in a marriage.
	Did you get turned down?
	Did you get turned down?
	Like, what was your success rate?
	Like, did you get the number?
	did he get the like whatever did the lead um basically was it a uh you didn't get turned down Like, you didn't get rejected.
	We'll start over here.
	Go ahead.
	I don't remember a time that somebody said no or anything like that or been overtly like...
	Tilt the mic.
	I don't know.
	I don't recall a time that I've overtly had an experience where it's been negative or someone was like, oh, don't talk to me or, oh, I'm not interested.
	It doesn't have to be rude, just like the guy.
	It could be a polite rejection.
	Never?
	Not that I can think of at the top of my head.
	But you have approached, made the initiative.
	Okay.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So 100% success rate?
	So far, yeah.
	Go ahead.
	I don't feel like I make the first move that often, but when I have, yeah, I've never been turned down.
	Never been rejected.
	My only rejection was a Spanish dude who had a girlfriend.
	And he didn't speak anything.
	I don't think that counts.
	I'm talking like if the guy's single.
	Okay, but you're just like, oh, sorry, I'm not aging.
	Because of course, if you're going to get, well, it's not a given if he has a partner that you might get rejected, but you're more, yeah, you're going to get rejected if he has a partner.
	What about you?
	I've only done it like twice, but I'm two for two, like, in terms of success.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been rejected before.
	Wow.
	That's surprising.
	It was the sixth grade, though.
	That doesn't count.
	I don't think it's a requirement.
	I went for it, though.
	I seriously went for it.
	He was like, nah.
	I don't think that counts.
	But what about excluding that one?
	Have you ever been rejected?
	No, I guess.
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Cade, have you ever been rejected?
	Oh, plenty of times.
	But the funny thing is, if a girl goes and does that to me, let's say at the club, because it happens to me more than you'd think.
	Some of the girls come up, you exchange, hi, what's your name?
	I'm Cade.
	What's yours?
	Within 10 seconds, we'll just start making out with you.
	You cannot do that as a man.
	A man cannot just start randomly go up to a girl he likes and just starts kissing.
	Even if you didn't want to kiss her in the first place, it's just going to happen.
	And I feel awkward in that moment to push her off and be rude because I don't want to be looking like a dick, regardless if I'm not interested in you.
	I don't really know how to handle that situation.
	I'm not going to be like, get the fuck off of me.
	Right.
	I just bite my tongue and what and then disappear as fast as I can if I'm not interested.
	But men can't do that.
	What would you say your because I think every single girl here said they have a hundred percent success rate, basically?
	What would you say your like on approach, your success rate is?
	Probably 25%.
	25%.
	Yeah, honestly, top-tier guys, like I think a good percentage is like 10%, 20%.
	Like, I think that's a good percentage.
	So me personally, I think women have dating on recruit mode.
	You guys have dating on easy mode.
	I'm on realism mode out here.
	There you go.
	But I will go around the table on this.
	Maybe you guys disagree with us.
	Do you think dating is harder for men or for women?
	100% harder for men.
	I guess men have it harder in some ways.
	You guess.
	Okay.
	I think it depends on what you're looking at.
	Like, it's easier.
	It's easier for women to pull guys for sure, but I also don't think you guys have ever had to take a picture of a man's ID and put your location on so you don't get axe murdered.
	So it's like, well, that's not really the question.
	But it's like the heart of the men is like potentially lower.
	So like you guys are polling, but you're not like, is she going to murder me?
	Who knows?
	I mean, we have other concerns, but I think, I mean, most dating experiences, they might not always be always pleasant, but I mean, that's, if we're talking about cherry-picking here, most women do not get murdered in the world.
	But one out of three gets raped.
	Well, if we're talking about statistics, I think that statistic has been debunked.
	I don't really feel like debating it, but that statistic has been debunked.
	And the woman who did the study came out herself and said that it was wrong.
	One in three women have a ruling.
	How do we settle this right now out of all of us?
	The people in our lives, like most women I know have a story.
	So there's technically, with that being said, there should be at least one, two, three, four, five, six, five.
	If it's one in three, there should be two of you with a situation who've raped.
	See, what do you constitute as great?
	Like inside penetration.
	Not a regret situation.
	No, oh no.
	Oh God.
	Violent.
	Something that was not consensual.
	Okay.
	All right.
	See, that's what I mean.
	We're just worried about getting murdered.
	It's a very real concern.
	Well, if you want to hear a statistic.
	Yes, I reported it.
	You reported it?
	They're asking if we reported it, so just letting them know.
	Yeah, I mean, you're talking about, I don't really want to go down the rabbit hole on this.
	So I guess the question was, do you think dating is easier for men or women?
	You say it's easier for women to pull, but there's more concerns for women with the people that they do pull.
	I will.
	I will give you that, that women have more safety.
	Women have more safety concerns when it comes to dating, but that's not really the question.
	Because if the question was, is interacting with the opposite easier?
	It's who has dating easier?
	Right.
	I think there's like different sides to it, you know?
	But also, like, what qualifies as dating?
	Like, just going on dates?
	Like, yeah, women can get more dates, but the quality of men that I want to be in a relationship with, I think that's less than.
	That's also the same problem for men, too.
	Sounds like we have a lot of the same issues.
	What do you think?
	I think men have it harder.
	What about you?
	I definitely think I agree with both these two ladies.
	It is quality over quantity, and I think that there is a plethora of men to be able to go on dates with, but very few that are relationship quality from my personal experience.
	Eric, can you pull up the cartoon really quick?
	The sad thing is the guys that are good boyfriend quality are probably still stuck in your DMs and you don't give them a chance.
	But are they worthy of chances?
	They probably are, but you'll never know because you won't open their DMs.
	The comic book cartoon, do you remember it?
	It's already in the window tab.
	It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
	That's what I always say.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, this is kind of like what I think about.
	Like, I'm so lonely, but you have like all these dudes that would.
	See, I don't know the specific details on the situation, but there was a woman who started a dating profile on one of these big apps and pretended that she was a man, used man pictures, went for men just to see how it was to the men.
	And she got ghosted, she got disrespected.
	She was extremely rude women just attacking her for no reason.
	And that's the reality as a man.
	Whether you're a low-value man or a high-value man, you will still get extremely disrespected.
	You'll still get ghosted.
	And it is extremely hard.
	Even as somebody who considers themselves a high-value man, you don't even get your chance to show them whether you are high-value or not.
	They'll just write you off.
	I fully agree with this.
	The men that I've talked to in my life that are trying to date right now, especially on dating apps, are having such low success rates.
	And it's like, actually, I'm seeing them emotionally deteriorate because of it because they're just like, I want a partner.
	I want somebody solid in my life.
	And I can't find the right person.
	I'm swiping all day.
	Nobody is responding.
	I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.
	I'm updating my pictures.
	I'm working out.
	And it is way harder for men, just how it's set up right now, I think.
	It's really tough.
	Well, I don't even use dating apps.
	And I just use Instagram because Instagram is the greatest dating app.
	Instagram is the greatest dating app in the world.
	And if you have your profile set up very well, and I mean, anybody in the chat can go take a look and see what they think about my account.
	But like, I'd say I have a pretty good looking account, and I'll still get ghosted.
	I'll still get completely disrespected.
	Regardless of the way I look, regardless of my success level, they don't care.
	It's kind of crazy, to be honest.
	Eric, can you pull up the hypergamy charts in the infographics thing?
	So, oh, wow, that was quick.
	Were you?
	Were you already pulling it up, Eric?
	You told me to get somebody from my.
	Oh, okay.
	Got it.
	Yeah, so I mean, this kind of explains what's happening in the dating marketplace right now.
	So on the left, you have whom men would happily partner with.
	And on the right, you have whom women would happily partner with.
	And this kind of goes back to that video that we were looking at is women are chasing after the top percentage of men.
	And we see this playing out on the dating apps, for example.
	You mentioned the dating apps.
	So women want the best man that they can get.
	Those men have all the options.
	They're not going to commit to you.
	And the rest of the men, average men, the bottom 70% of men are severely struggling with dating.
	When it comes to dating apps, it's even more amplified because it's strictly physical.
	It's almost strictly physical appearance.
	And women are going to start, are going to gravitate towards the most attractive men.
	Women tend to date across, this is backed up by statistics.
	Women date across and up socioeconomic hierarchies.
	We sort of talked about this with finances before.
	Women, generally speaking, want to date a guy who makes at least as much or more than them.
	And men will date down, or sorry, down, across and down.
	So I'm butching my words here.
	But sorry, I didn't mean, were you going on something?
	No, just about how it is actually way more difficult for me.
	The dating apps.
	Yeah, I mean, my advice to average men is get off the dating apps because don't use a dating app.
	It's just going to make you more depressed.
	And also get off the forums.
	There are just these forums for men right now where they talk about women.
	And I think that conversations like this are productive.
	I think talking to other women, getting their voices heard, and explaining these really core issues that men are having are really important.
	But I think that unfortunately, there's these forums where men are just taught to kind of hate women right now and that all women are out to get them and stuff.
	And so the internet can be a pretty dangerous place if you're really destitute and you're really like angry at the dating apps and women in the current state of things because it can send you down this rabbit hole of just hating women in general when you're really frustrated with the way society is right now in dating.
	I don't think that's actually Jake, by the way.
	I know he's asleep right now.
	That's really funny.
	That's so funny.
	Jake from State Farm.
	Oh, that's too bad.
	Yo, hey, Leonardo, I see you, dude.
	That's good.
	The internet wasn't.
	But yeah, yo.
	Hey, dating apps, though, for men, you are playing Russian roulette with your self-esteem.
	Every chamber, I always butcher this.
	Every chamber and every chamber.
	Thank you.
	I need you as my cheerleader here.
	Every chamber and cylinder is loaded as an average guy on a dating app.
	It is brutal.
	You're playing Russian roulette with your self-esteem.
	Okay, let's get these super chats done.
	Did we wait?
	Did we?
	Okay.
	Martin, good lord, ladies, y'all rated your intellect as Aiden Bov.
	you're not getting the references.
	There's not an IQ over 110 in the, okay.
	Thank you, Martin.
	Shane M, thank you for the $20 super chat.
	Love how the OF model says we've grown out of women needing men, but then chooses willingly to leave a good paying tech job for accepting tens of thousands of dollars from I don't know if he heard the part where I said I make 10 times more a year now than I made at my good paying job where I could not afford an apartment in California.
	But yeah, totally.
	Was he saying about something about like it compromising your values or something?
	No, I don't remember, but he just said, why would I leave a good paying tech job to do OnlyFans basically?
	You're making more money.
	A lot more money.
	And I'm setting up my future, getting a house, setting up businesses, and all that stuff.
	Didn't you say it's like, what, $30,000 a year?
	$30,000 a month?
	$30,000 a month.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, on average.
	Yo, Fridz, thank you for the membership.
	Oh, is that starable, Eric?
	Can you check if you can?
	No.
	Oh, it's a re-up.
	Yo, Fridz, thank you for the membership, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, if, hey, if I'll read it.
	Yeah, I'll read this one.
	Hold on, guys.
	Let's see here.
	We got a wait.
	Oh, shit.
	I'm fucking up.
	My bad, dudes.
	Yo, hey, if an item is good for MT and his healers, should MT have pryo?
	Also ask the girls for two non-democratic countries for fun greetings.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so for the main tank and his healers, main tank and his healers.
	Oh, are you talking like, I think, didn't they patch that in World of Warcraft where like warriors with the diamond flask, like when they pop that trinket, right?
	Like it's healing and the healing from the diamond flask was benefited by having plus healing or plus spell power.
	So like main tanks would be rolling on healing plus healing items.
	So I don't think I don't think that main tanks should have pry on healing items, but yeah.
	Anyways, would any of you guys like date a fucking Chad Gamer?
	Like a DPS fucking pumper?
	Probably not.
	Wait, wait, guys, guys, guys.
	Okay, let me put this to you quick.
	World of Warcraft.
	Boom.
	He's in the top North American rating guild, hardcore, like gamer, pumper, top parser.
	He's.
	Are you talking about all the people in Alex's DMs right now?
	Is that who's mostly in the DMs?
	Yeah, I get the musician.
	She gets the pro gaming.
	She's like Call of Duty and all that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Mostly that.
	Unfortunately.
	Okay.
	What about like, just really quick on that?
	Hmm.
	Would you date a guy who, okay, let me frame it like this.
	Would you date a guy that played World of Warcraft three hours a day?
	no if he if he still had his no you okay she's never been on a date and she says no She turned me down, bro.
	She turned the host of the podcast down.
	She says, I've never been on a date.
	No, no, you cannot be a gamer.
	The reason why is because my standards are so high.
	What's wrong with being a gamer?
	I play Call of Duty for three or four hours.
	I don't know.
	Okay, fine.
	Three hours is fine.
	I will give them that.
	If you drink gamer subs, use Kodami.
	I play somebody commenting.
	I play video games on Twitch sometimes when I play.
	I'll go for 12 hours.
	Three hours is okay.
	Wait, you have high standards?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I do.
	That's why.
	What are your high standards?
	Just like, list.
	Like, time-wise, they have to match my level of like- Into the mic.
	Of- Like, I feel like I'm pretty busy as well.
	So, like, I feel like they need to match that.
	They can't be clingy.
	They need to love me, but they don't need my 24-7 time to be with them all the time.
	You know what I mean?
	And I want them to be attractive and have a good style and, you know, like charismatic, funny, like, things like that.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	Bro, you're asking for way too much.
	I feel like I have a good amount of self-love.
	So, like, why would I settle for something that's not?
	But how many men are actually realistically below that?
	Then I'll die single.
	I don't know.
	Bro, women would rather stay single because they want to wait for the best man.
	She just listed all qualities of a good personality.
	That is all.
	There's so many people on this whole single.
	Let me ask you a question.
	You said charisma.
	How many men do you think are charismatic?
	I want to say it's less than 10.
	Probably not that many people.
	Not a lot.
	You want a charismatic guy.
	First off, I don't think charisma is.
	Is it that hard to be charismatic?
	Most men aren't.
	They would rather be charismatic?
	They would rather play Call of Duty than smoke weed and eat pieces.
	Maybe that's asking for too much.
	This is like girls who say just be confident.
	No, asking for a guy who's charismatic.
	How many men that you meet are charismatic?
	Probably not.
	That's why I'm still single.
	Well, how do you know if they even are charismatic?
	Okay, fine.
	Don't give them a charismatic.
	Are you charismatic?
	I feel like I'm pretty charismatic.
	I don't know.
	You've been kind of quiet tonight.
	Okay, okay.
	Fine, fine, fine.
	I take that back, I just, okay, I just take it back.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no, no.
	I think if those are your standards, keep them.
	Who cares what they say?
	Thank you.
	Woman supporting women.
	Love to hear it.
	I don't think you should settle just to date someone.
	Exactly.
	What is the reason, you know?
	I mean, that's what the whole point of this conversation has been not settling to.
	To date someone with a high body count.
	You don't think you've ever found a man that's worth your time yet?
	Not even close.
	I think by 18, you don't have to, and you shouldn't have to.
	You have so much life ahead of you.
	Yo, here's some meow mix.
	There you go.
	Some cats.
	No, it's so true, though.
	Love yourself first before you take on anyone else's love.
	Word.
	Wait, can you just, one more time?
	Can you just, what were the things you want again?
	Okay.
	Let me, okay, let me just really rephrase this in a better way.
	No, say them all.
	Say them all.
	No, no, no, no.
	Say them all.
	I don't even remember them.
	I was just word vomiting there.
	Oh my god.
	Okay, sure.
	Walk it back.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Just like rephrase.
	Okay.
	Nice, funny.
	Has like good time management, like productive.
	Hold on, I'm going to write these down.
	Hold on.
	Nice, funny, good time management.
	What about his words per minute when he's typing?
	Is that important?
	What's up?
	No.
	Just keep an eye on me.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Okay, keep going.
	Good style.
	Good style.
	You said attractive before.
	Attractive.
	Height.
	What's the minimum height?
	5'8.
	5'8 or above.
	4'11, by the way.
	Okay, continue.
	Okay, 5'7.
	Oh, okay, okay, five, seven.
	And not, did I say?
	He can't be clingy.
	Like, don't, not too clingy.
	But gives me enough love.
	But gives you enough love.
	What else?
	Anything else?
	And is confident.
	So she wants a guy that's a cat.
	What about, do you have any racial preferences?
	No, not really.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Have you guys ever used the female delusional catalog?
	Somebody brought that up in chat.
	I know.
	I think you guys need to open that up.
	So you don't want a charismatic guy.
	Yeah.
	He can be kind of like just kind of average.
	I get it.
	Like, people are people, and it is hard to be perfect.
	As long as they fit my vibe and we get along well and he does things, I think you're happy.
	Good style.
	Perfect.
	Okay.
	Nice, funny, good time management, good style, attractive.
	5'7, not clingy, but gives you enough love.
	Okay.
	So the height thing, I think that's most guys are going to be about 5'7, so you're okay there.
	The funny part, so you said, wait, you said it's not that hard to be charismatic.
	How many men are charismatic?
	I feel like a lot of my guy friends, a lot of the guys that I know are pretty charismatic.
	Really?
	What would this describe as charismatic?
	This is like girls.
	I already said this, but this is like girls saying, just be confident.
	As if it's so easy or just to be funny.
	Do you know how fucking hard it is to be funny?
	It's hard to carry yourself with confidence, but it's usually something people can get down pretty quickly once they try.
	Well, that's convenient for women.
	Fake it till you make it kind of thing with confidence.
	That's convenient for women to say because we don't analyze a woman on her confidence.
	No, but it's convenient for you guys to say when all of you said that your success rate when it comes to approaching men is 100%, whereas when men approach women, they get fucking brutally rejected.
	Right, well, I think the difference is, sorry to interrupt you, but I think the difference is because I've only gone up to two guys.
	You guys shoot your shot all the time.
	Because we have to.
	Yeah, but I think that's the reason that we don't get rejected.
	It's because we don't take that chance all the time.
	There's never going to be a man that rejects you.
	Doesn't even, he doesn't even have to be attracted to you.
	He has, if you're offering him what he thinks you're going to offer him, he'll take it.
	Unless he's a high-value man like you, right?
	Where you want a relationship.
	Even a high-value man is not going to turn down sex.
	Really?
	Absolutely not.
	Let me start chipping away at some of these.
	So you said you listed them, right?
	Let's say he's all of these, but he's not funny.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	So it's just laying out my ideal type.
	You don't think funny.
	Funny is is how important is being funny on that list for you?
	Like I mean, they gotta make me laugh.
	I don't want a dry guy.
	You know what I mean?
	That's yeah, exactly because are you funny?
	But if a Pete can pull a, if a Pete Davidson can pull an Emily Ratatosi, then I would say that's very important and it, it you can date up.
	I will say, like yes, there are some things that will mask like, how attractive you are.
	Yes, you know what I mean.
	Like if, like I will go for a guy who, like I don't think is like my top oh my god attractiveness level, but like he's funny and he's really really nice and he's smart, like yeah, like i'll go for that.
	You know what I mean.
	But if he doesn't, then like, damn it.
	But we better be like really hot.
	You know they better be really hot.
	Yeah, but I probably wouldn't even go for a guy who's like really really hot, because he probably doesn't even have any of those characteristics.
	I mean, unless there is, I don't know.
	That's what i'm waiting for, you see.
	You see my issue here.
	I would say most attractive guys.
	They would say they they, they probably have a lot of confidence.
	Yeah yeah probably, which kind of goes hand in hand with being charismatic or um, having drive.
	Which women really want in a man?
	They want a man that has drive.
	They don't want a man that's just going to be a bum for the rest of his life.
	They want a man that has goals.
	So i'd say a confident, i'd say an attractive man.
	All already, all already automatically has a lot of those because of his ego.
	Yeah, it's true.
	Okay, let's do these super chats.
	Okay, so we gotta get through them.
	Uh, let's try to just get through them.
	Uh wait, did I do this one?
	It was a choice to be a stay-at-home wife.
	Women were the ones that voted not to have the right to vote.
	Gus, you're gonna stir up some okay 20 super chat?
	Uh, because it came with responsibilities, like the draft volunteer firefighter owning land.
	You cannot change millennia of biology.
	Do you want to respond to him?
	Because i'm this might be directed to you.
	Um, I think it's a very long response to that particular statement, but I think that um, biology and evolution definitely play a part in our current uh interactions with each other and communications.
	However, we have as a society have developed far past that, and in order for men and women to get along and for us to improve the current dating sphere, where men are feeling horribly rejected and feeling like anything they do could be counted as SA and all this awful stuff like, in order for us to fix that, we need to fix it as a whole.
	So yeah, also on the the, with this next super chat that's coming up, a study was done around 2010, for example, in the UK, where 30% of women self-declared that it is morally acceptable to commit paternity fraud, and feminists actively oppose mandatory paternity testing.
	That's a good point.
	I was so.
	I was born in France.
	I have dual citizenship.
	French was my first language.
	In France, you can't get a paternity test, like you, I think I don't know exactly but the I think the woman has to agree to the paternity test of the kid or something.
	But in France, like you, can't get it because apparently in France luckily my parent, not the case for my parents but paternity fraud is rampant in France.
	So I they banned it, I guess, because it would fuck up and destroy a whole bunch of families if people found out the truth.
	Eric, can you pull up there?
	There was another study done where they didn't survey people, they actually looked at a DNA analysis or something.
	I don't know if you'll be able to find it, but they did a DNA analysis and something.
	I don't know what it is, but they did do discovered that like there is a Pretty shocking amount of paternity fraud going on.
	So, I don't know if you're able to find that.
	But, and also, the other thing I would add is they've sequenced DNA, and we can actually tell, we can compare the amount of women who have been able to reproduce and the amount of men who have been able to reproduce.
	And it's something like, I don't know if you can find the stats on that too, Eric.
	I think it's like most women throughout history have reproduced, whereas like only like 40% of men who have ever lived have reproduced.
	Something crazy like that.
	So, men are the expendable sex.
	Have you heard about the story?
	I'm not sure how valid this is.
	I think Indonesia banned sex before marriage.
	Have you heard about that?
	Yeah, they did.
	Oh, I saw that.
	Really?
	Sombali, I think.
	Well, Indonesia is a Muslim country, isn't it?
	Yeah, I saw that article.
	Eric says, did you pull it up, Eric?
	Or could you find it?
	Find anything?
	I guess they're not going to have a paternity issue.
	F11.
	Yeah, in the United States, you can do it even if the woman doesn't agree.
	Some have also suggested the reason for the ongoing ban is to preserve the peace in French families with many incidents of people taking the test and discovering information such as that one of their parents isn't actually theirs.
	Yeah, so it's banned in France, guys.
	F in the chat for France.
	France is.
	As someone who has gone back to France a lot, I remember here's the.
	I won't stick too long on this topic because it's absolutely not dating related.
	I remember going to the Eiffel Tower as a child.
	There was no security.
	There were no, I don't know if they're called gender marie's.
	If there's any French people in the chat, I was in France in 2014.
	There are like soldiers or police officers with guns all over the Eiffel Tower, like all surrounding the Eiffel Tower.
	That wasn't the case when I was a kid.
	You could walk around near the Eiffel Tower.
	There's all barricades and shit.
	France is a failed society.
	Okay, so we have Azul with the $20 Soup Chat.
	One of the many wise things Sharp DeP has said is that OnlyFans is a stepping stone to hoeing thoughts.
	Napoleon IV went.
	Okay.
	Thoughts.
	Also, any chance you can get him to co-host?
	Sharp depends has said.
	If not, Sharp, maybe Rich Tactical Soap Cooker.
	I don't know about Sharp, but I've heard of Rich.
	Would love to have.
	I'm going to be doing some more collaborations soon, guys.
	So it's in the works.
	Azul, thank you, man.
	Gus, $20 Soup Chat.
	Thank you.
	Single mom equals recreational use only.
	Everyone is allowed to do as they please, but actions have consequences.
	Man's standards equals discrimination.
	Women's standards equals preferences.
	Yep.
	Stop telling men how things should be.
	Yeah, I mean, there definitely seemed to have been a bit of pushback earlier on the show when I was talking about like, hey, body count's a big deal.
	And you guys all really seem, you're like, oh, Brian, you're really.
	I really don't ask for a lot in a girl.
	I don't really ask for that much, I think.
	I mean, maybe in today's society, I'm asking for a lot, but.
	What are you asking for?
	Okay.
	So low body count, that's one, right?
	Loyalty, hold on.
	Loyalty, femininity, fidelity, and peace.
	Respect.
	So it doesn't matter at all what she looks like.
	No, or how tall she is.
	Height, don't care.
	I'll date a dwarf.
	I'll date a woman who's 6'7.
	Height doesn't matter.
	Looks like not a huge.
	Like, I care about looks, but it's not like small boobs, big boobs, don't care.
	Nice ass is nice.
	But like, I care.
	Looks as a factor, but it's kind of not super important to me.
	Like, it's not a huge thing.
	As long as you're just fit, like, you know, you're not obese, you're not overweight, like, don't really not a major part of the calculus for me.
	Okay, let me put it to you like this.
	I would much rather date a woman who's, if we, you know, we were using the one to ten rating scale, give me a five who brings me peace, loyalty, and fidelity over a ten that's going to be a fucking headache.
	I don't care if she's a fucking supermodel.
	I don't want to put up with drama and bullshit and conflict and someone who's combative.
	I will care far less about someone's physical appearance.
	Again, if she's a supermodel, but she's a fucking headache and stresses me out and is promiscuous, not interested.
	Okay, what if she's all of the things that you want, but she has a bad history?
	What do you mean?
	Like, she's super peaceful.
	She gives you that peace.
	She makes you happy.
	She makes you dinner when you get home.
	Like, she has every house is taken care of.
	You know, your kids are going to be taken care of.
	But then, you know, she has a past where she has like 10 bodies or something.
	Is her history known to the public or just known by me?
	Right.
	So you care more, like, if other people are.
	Because it's a status, it's a status thing, yeah.
	Very interesting.
	It's important because the woman represents her man.
	This has been so interesting for me.
	I've always wondered, you know, what the thoughts behind some of these statements are.
	So it's cool to hear you guys.
	If she had 10, but she brought me all that other stuff, I think that's probably okay.
	See, because I think you guys say like low body count, nothing else.
	But then when we talk about it and we really like discuss it, like she would be a great mom and this and that and you'd love her, you're like, eh, you know, it's not that big of a deal.
	And that's why when you go.
	10 isn't like 20, 30.
	Like insane numbers.
	For California, 10.
	And also, I'm 33, right?
	So like most of the women that are within my age cohort are going to be, I mean, I'm not just ask out an 18-year-old.
	Well, I would date an 18-year-old, but most of the women I don't, I'm not going to college parties trolling for 19-year-old chicks, but would I date?
	You would actually date.
	Absolutely.
	Really?
	I would absolutely date an 18-year-old.
	As long as she's mature enough, why not?
	I mean, well, I suppose, but.
	Because body count counts more than like maturity and ability to hold down the household and all that stuff.
	Well, it's body count, it's purity, purity, it's it's also physical, it is a physical attractiveness component.
	And I'm probably going to get hate for saying this, but if you dated somebody younger, you can actually kind of mold them into a lot of people.
	That's literally what Andrew tates.
	But he's right.
	You can mold them into being the wife that you're wanting to find.
	I believe in finding a person and then like, you know, matching up with them because I have the same foundational beliefs and goals as them.
	And then we, you know, grow together and develop together and fix things about each other that maybe don't work and come together.
	I don't believe in molding someone and making them become.
	That's for you to do with your children, for sure, but not to do with your partner.
	That's just my opinion, though.
	I mean, do you guys want a guy who's a leader and decisive and confident?
	Yes, but I don't want him to mold me.
	I want him to take care of his body.
	Let me ask you a question.
	And I hear this complaint a lot from women.
	It's a turnoff for women if the guy is indecisive about where he wants to eat, for example.
	And I often hear women say, I don't know where I want to eat.
	And I also hear women say, you know, it's really, I see this on, it's almost ubiquitous on hinge prompts.
	It's like, a green flag for me is, I'm picking you up at this time.
	I made reservations for here, 7 p.m., I'll pick you up.
	Like, if for me, if a girl is indecisive, I don't, I mean, unless it's impacting me because I know how to lead.
	So.
	Being decisive doesn't really mean leading, though.
	It just means you know what you want.
	But you can lead them into a decision.
	A decision that doesn't matter that much.
	It's just dinner.
	They're not going to lead me into your night careers.
	But do you find it attractive when the man knows what he wants and what he wants for you and him?
	You find it attractive when the man takes lead.
	That's why most women love being submissive.
	I mean, it depends if it's like a relationship.
	Yeah, if he is a man that's like, yeah, I want a relationship, that's great.
	That's attractive.
	But if he's like, we are going to live here in this state, blah, blah, blah.
	That's not what I want.
	I don't find that attractive.
	Being decisive is not equal to being a leader.
	Okay, one thing, guys.
	I will finish the super chats and then we will wrap.
	Guys, $50 and up for the rest of the show.
	Just because we've been going for a long time, so I just gotta wrap up on the super chat.
	if you want 50 and up from now Eric if you can just note that wait so what was the original what was that I slipped my mind Being decisive.
	Okay, let's move on with the super chats here.
	So.
	Yo, Aventide Fallacy.
	Thank you for the $20 Super Chat.
	Damn, what an insanely attractive group of people this show with Brian being on top of the attractiveness, of course.
	Thank you, dude.
	Appreciate it.
	But, okay, fun fact, I think Kiki, honestly, is the, you know, I think she's probably.
	Ew, ew.
	No. No. No.
	I think she's probably the most attractive man, but more men die from deleting themselves after a female initiated divorce than women whom are murdered by men.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Okay.
	Well, let's continue with that.
	Asara with the $20 super chat, the mind knows only what lies near the heart.
	How true is your heart when it comes to relationships?
	As Tate says, they simply don't care.
	Men are invisible.
	So sad that you guys feel that way.
	I'm so sorry.
	Feel what way?
	That men feel invisible.
	The fact that we feel invisible.
	It's not that we feel.
	We are invisible.
	We all have seen you and let you tell us exactly how you feel.
	It's not because he has a podcast.
	I have a podcast to talk about.
	But like, we're talking more so within the context of dating.
	Like, a woman can never be truly lonely in the way that a man can.
	Because a woman can go on a dating app and get some attention.
	And it might not be.
	Do you think that fills that loneliness?
	It's a warm bed and a cuddle.
	Do you think that fills the hole?
	I mean, it might not be the precise suitor in which you want, but it doesn't feel the loneliness.
	In a moment, it feels pretty damn good.
	Whereas men, a man can be, there's a whole movie.
	Actually, here's a funny thing.
	You guys are probably familiar with the term like in cell and shit, right?
	Involuntary celibate.
	Which, by the way, I think these guys are just either they're not particularly good looking or they're struggling socially.
	I think it's unfortunate that we shame them because a lot of them are just they're struggling when it comes to dating and I don't think shaming them is the solution.
	But there was a femme movement.
	It was on Reddit.
	There was a femme subreddit where women were complaining that they were involuntarily celibate.
	And what ended up happening is they had to private the community because guys were messaging the girls saying, hey, I'm lonely too.
	I want to get with you.
	I want to be with you.
	I'll get with you.
	So, even women who claim that they're involuntarily celibate, it's all bullshit.
	Do you think it would feel the loneliness for her to respond to that Reddit message?
	Let's watch a ta clip on this real quick.
	Eric, can you pull up a tate clip?
	A tate clip.
	I think maybe we're almost done with that.
	I don't need a tate clip.
	We're going to watch it.
	Short, it's short.
	Wait.
	Wait, oh, pause it.
	Eric, go down to the tate.
	It's at the tate window.
	It is, do hold on, scroll down just a tad.
	There's two of them.
	Oh, it's FF lonely.
	By the way, the previous ta clip, that's from Fresh and Fit.
	Check them out.
	No, no, no.
	It's the other one.
	Go, go, go.
	I don't think most women can actually genuinely understand how lonely the majority of men are.
	You need to truly understand.
	If you're a Joe Schmo, average in nearly every way, in Starbucks, working, you ain't getting a DM ever.
	Two girls will never be lonely.
	As much as you might be unhappy with the possible suitors, you can at least fuck about and flirt if you feel sad.
	There are men out here in the world who have genuine loneliness.
	I mean, I can prove this statistically.
	I do think it's all.
	He's going to say something about people deleting themselves, but yo, shout out to Fresh and Fit for there.
	That's a clip from their podcast.
	So, yeah, men are genuinely lonely.
	That's not.
	We're not arguing against that.
	The funniest thing about that is the statistic that I brought up earlier by 50% of women will be single by 2030.
	That's the woman's choice.
	It's not the men's choice in their life.
	It's the woman's choice to be single by 2030.
	The 50%, they're painting their own bed.
	Yeah, and as far as men being invisible, for example, any one of you girls, if we drop you at a party, I know you two are in college.
	I don't know if you're going to bars and clubs yet.
	We drop any of you at a bar, nightclub, you're going to get hit on.
	Guys are going to approach you one, two, three, four, five times a night, maybe more.
	A guy, I'll even give you this.
	Your looks equivalent, if you want to imagine it, whatever your looks equivalent is, you drop him in the nightclub.
	Nobody's going to talk to him the entire night.
	He will sit there alone.
	No girls are coming to hit on him.
	That's the difference between men and women.
	So men are invisible.
	Also, a baddie who works at McDonald's, 19-year-old baddie works at McDonald's.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Versus, let's say, let's bump it up a bit older.
	Let's say 24-year-old but good-looking girls works at McDonald's, Arby's.
	I like roast beef.
	I do have.
	Okay, well, let's not get into that right now, but versus a 24-year-old dude who works at McDonald's.
	Oh, yeah.
	Girls are going to fuck.
	Girls aren't going to take him.
	He works at McDonald's.
	He might, but I mean.
	Anyways, okay, let's get through these super chats.
	We only have a few more.
	All right, Calvin C. Thank you.
	Female guests.
	Generalization, agree or no.
	Playing video games for a couple hours is a waste of time.
	Oh, that reminds me.
	It's a waste of time, but women watching shows for a couple of hours is-okay.
	Agree or fair.
	Some of us play video games.
	Wait, did everyone get to go around on the World of Warcraft, Chad?
	Like, would you date a guy who played World of Warcraft for three hours a day?
	Wait, video games in general.
	Let's do World of Warcraft on this one.
	I played World of Warcraft.
	Years ago, I used to.
	I haven't played video games in three years, but a guy who dates.
	Excuse me.
	Here's the question.
	Would you date a guy who played World of Warcraft for three hours a day?
	For fun or for income?
	Wait, okay, hold on.
	Okay, would you date a guy who played World of Warcraft?
	Jesus Christ.
	Would you date a guy who played World of Warcraft for three hours a day?
	Not if it was something that consumed his life.
	Yeah, I wouldn't care as long as it doesn't interfere with our relationship.
	Three hours a day?
	I mean, I'm a writer.
	I write for eight hours a day.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Wait, you said no before.
	I'm changing my answer.
	I got roasted by him, so I'm changing my answer.
	Don't capitulate.
	Okay.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I mean, if the rest of us shit's together, like, you do whatever you want to wind down.
	Like, we all have hobbies.
	What about, like, six hours a day?
	Anybody changing their job.
	You'll be the only honest one on this one, I think.
	Go ahead.
	As long as it doesn't get in the way of our relationship and him being healthy, whatever.
	But if it's getting in the way, then it becomes a problem.
	Hold on, go ahead.
	We all have our vices.
	If he's addicted to it and it's hurting him, it shouldn't continue.
	But if he's doing it for fun, it's fine.
	Eric, can you pull up the, there's a Google image.
	Did I show you that with Henry?
	Can you pull that up?
	See, the sad thing, when we first asked Taylor...
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	I'll let you go.
	So Henry Cavill?
	Cavill?
	Cavill.
	Superman.
	Man crush.
	What was the witcher that he okay?
	He plays World of Warcraft.
	He's a big gamer nerd.
	This is okay.
	Every student plays video games.
	But see, that's the thing.
	But that's the thing is he's very successful.
	But regardless, her first question was, is it for fun or is it for income?
	It shouldn't matter.
	If we have fun with it.
	Well, if it's his job, then he has a reason to spend six hours a day.
	If I want to spend three hours of my free time a day.
	I think you didn't say free time.
	You just said three hours a day.
	Well, I'm assuming who's not.
	Is that not free time?
	It's not best to assume that.
	Is that not free time?
	Everyone can choose what they do in their free time.
	Six hours of free time, like to play video games over, like you get off at work at 10 p.m. and you play till 1 a.m.
	Is that a problem?
	What if you don't have a girl?
	Well, that was the question, would you date a guy that...
	Well, the question is, he is single.
	He's single at that point in time.
	Okay, sure.
	He can do whatever he wants if you like.
	But you won't date it.
	But the main problem was, was he playing the game for fun or for money?
	It was only important to you and okay with you initially if he was playing for money.
	Was that really what you meant?
	Or did you mean like if it's his job, then he has a very valid reason to spend six or seven years?
	I understand the question better.
	I wasn't saying.
	But so is it okay if he does it for fun and he's not making any money of it and it's not hurting his life?
	I'm going to reiterate my answer like I said last time.
	As long as it's not interfering with anything that he personally has going on, it's not detrimental to him or his mental health or our relationship.
	By all means, do whatever the fuck you want.
	Okay.
	Last three super chats.
	Martin, $20 Super Chat, Sweet and Sour Delusion.
	Hey, Martin, thank you for all the support tonight, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Aventide Fallacy, $20 Super Chat, My Bad Meant Self-Deletion.
	All good, man.
	Don't even trip.
	Young men today need to get off apps, stop following random IG girls, start going to public places and learn to accept rejection, then talk to her friend.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Do the little shimmy.
	Okay.
	Stop paying for OF.
	She won't bang you.
	Just facts.
	You guys should just focus on yourselves and improving yourselves and being.
	Well, said from that's coming from a girl who does OnlyFans.
	Start walking.
	I literally tell my subs in the messages.
	Start going to grocery stores more often.
	You'll find some very pretty girls at grocery stores.
	You'll get rejected, but you'll also find some nice women there, too.
	All right, we have Nathaniel Glass here, $25 Super Chat, last super chat.
	What advice, I mean, if any other come in, we'll get it.
	But 50 and over, guys.
	What advice would the ladies give to a 42-year-old recently divorced, wanting to get back on the market?
	I mean, don't ask fish how to fish, but um wait, did that make sense?
	Don't ask, you don't ask the I don't know.
	Um okay, if you guys have you're never too old to get back into the dating scene, there's a lot of divorced people out there.
	Anybody else, anyone want to give them advice?
	Focus on your dance.
	Yeah, and I think the two girls here would say subscribe to their OnlyFans.
	You can chat with me.
	I'll give you some advice personally.
	Oh, gosh.
	Okay, so last few things here before we wrap up.
	I want to just say one comment about the money thing and kind of like why money doesn't care to me.
	So my thing is, I'm my plan is to make enough money where I can support both of us.
	My goal is to retire.
	Well, fingers crossed, but to have us both retired at 40 so that neither of us have to work.
	We could just fucking travel and, you know, life partner, all that shit.
	A guy who maybe has a standard job, because I'm a bit of an outlier in terms of my earning potential here, but a guy who has a normal job, it might be a bit more important to him as far as money goes because he's going to maybe want more of a 50-50.
	But the amount of money that I'm intending to make, my girl's not going to need to work.
	So if she wants to, she can, but I don't really see the point of her having like a 40 slaving away the $40,000 job when I could just be supporting the both of us.
	But anyways.
	We talked a this is one of our final things.
	We talked about body count quite substantially tonight.
	So I think all of you said or at least the impression I got was that body count should not matter or doesn't matter.
	I want to just go around the table yes or no on this.
	Body count for guys shouldn't matter.
	I guess, well, since it's more so from the frame, maybe you guys don't care about the guy's body count, but should men not care about women's body count?
	Or should bot, just should body count.
	If it's extreme, it's okay to care.
	If it's in the past and not extreme, I don't think it should matter that much.
	Okay, so how about just yes or no?
	Should body count matter?
	Fuck.
	Yeah, no.
	Okay.
	That's hard.
	It's okay to have preferences, but it shouldn't be the only thing that you're doing.
	Can you just pop that off the water off the table?
	What about you?
	I agree with them.
	Like, it definitely matters in certain instances, but I think that in general, like, someone who...
	Into the mic.
	Into the mic.
	Like someone who is like actively in a loyal relationship.
	They're not going out every week and like fucking a new guy.
	It shouldn't matter.
	Okay, so 50 body count shouldn't matter?
	I mean, if they have been like a couple years ago, they saw the light and now they're at home playing World of Warcraft six hours a day instead, going to the clubs.
	Like, you know, that's, I think, long enough that it says something about their growth as a person.
	Sure.
	If they're clean, no.
	Shouldn't matter?
	Okay.
	I think it's a double standard, so no, I don't think it should matter.
	Okay, the double standard thing, okay.
	I also don't think it should matter.
	It's of the past and it has nothing to do with your current relationship.
	Okay, so my next question is, I think almost all of you said body count shouldn't matter, doesn't matter.
	If body count doesn't matter, what's your body count?
	It doesn't matter in a relationship, but I'm not going to say it here for my career-wise and like everything-wise.
	Why would your job care about?
	Because that's something private.
	That's something that I bring into a relationship.
	I'm not going to tell random strangers.
	Yeah.
	Let's start with yours.
	Well, I think body count matters, so I wouldn't disclose it, but I don't think it matters in a relationship, but I'm not ready to tell the world.
	I don't really care what I don't want people to know.
	But if body count just shouldn't matter, it's just a social construct.
	If it's not a big deal, then you ought to be comfortable sharing it.
	No, personally, it's none of your business.
	If I was a virgin, I wouldn't be saying to everyone that I meet on the street, hey, I'm a virgin.
	Well, when asked the question, if you I said, I guess I'm saying be the change you want to see in the world.
	If body count doesn't matter, then you ought to be willing to share it.
	Right, in a relationship.
	Same goes for you, though.
	So, like, share it.
	No, no, no.
	But I've just said that I think body count matters.
	Ergo.
	Good word, by the way.
	I'm not going to share my body count.
	That makes no sense.
	It makes perfect sense.
	Perfect sense.
	Because if any one of you said, I think body count matters, I don't know.
	All of you could have preferences.
	Yeah, we all did.
	What's your body count?
	Let's keep that for the imagination.
	Oh, Cade, come on.
	Chat.
	Okay, let me ask you.
	Over 100?
	It's in triple digits.
	Okay, I'll take that.
	I'll take that.
	Thank you, Kate.
	I appreciate that.
	So what about you?
	Same, you do.
	I agree.
	I think that there are some things that best kept to yourself.
	And especially if there's people in the room who are judgmental in either direction, I don't believe that it's important for them to know, especially we're not dating.
	There's no point for me to share my body count.
	18.
	A little closer to the mic?
	18.
	Personal business.
	No point to share.
	I've been with six people.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, for those of you who refuse to share, I mean, I think, you know, you say one thing about body count not being important and it doesn't matter yet.
	It's not in the same context.
	Like in a relationship.
	Yes.
	Deep down.
	I think deep down, your refusal to answer the question would indicate to me that you're not going to be able to.
	This is because this was on live stream.
	If I was talking to a guy one-on-one, what would you tell me after the show privately?
	If you're not going to share it.
	I'm not going to share it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right, fair enough.
	They won't share.
	That's fine.
	And then, very last thing here.
	You made a comment about the age thing.
	That I would be okay dating someone who's 18.
	So you take quarrel with that or you take issue with that or are you just curious, like, what's up?
	Love doesn't have a number.
	Like, do what you want.
	I think it's a little bit weird.
	Like, imagine taking home, like, going home to your parents' house, taking home an 18-year-old, you know?
	And introducing.
	Well, what if she's a very family-oriented woman and her priority is, like, I know some young girls that are like, I want to get married.
	I want to be a mother.
	It's just like the different life experiences you've had.
	I feel like there's no possible way y'all will be on the same level in maturity.
	You know, you're just maturity, right?
	Like, as someone, okay, most of the women that I date are within a few years of me.
	So I'd say I'm 33, so I'm dating mostly like, I'd say women between 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, you know, around my age.
	The oldest I've dated is 45.
	So like, it's not like, oh, I'm hyper-fixated on dating younger women.
	Would do I find younger women the most fit, like 21-year-old the most physically attractive?
	Yes.
	Would it be my preference?
	Yes.
	Can I get it?
	That's another, that's another conversation to be had.
	But you talked about maturity, and I can tell you, having dated professional women, career women, bro, I deal with the same bullshit at all ages.
	Like, I know both of you are a bit young, but I guarantee you, if you guys are still, if you guys don't have a partner when you're in your 30s, y'all are still going to be dealing with the same fucking bullshit.
	I guarantee you.
	Actually, I have a couple written down of some recent bullshitteries that I've had with women around my age.
	Okay, 28-year-old graduate student, 28 by the way, grad student, right?
	She flaked on me 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet, not even the legitimate excuse, as I was already driving to the date, by the way.
	29-year-old registered nurse.
	She flaked on me two hours before we were supposed to meet because she had a last-minute realization that she wasn't ready to date again because she had just gone out of a long-term relationship.
	Maybe she should have figured that out before downloading a dating app, filling in a profile, matching with me, conversing with me, scheduling a date, and waiting until the last minute.
	29, by the way.
	31-year-old systems engineer, three months fresh out of a major trauma-filled relationship.
	We go on a date.
	She wants to meet up again.
	She texts me.
	She asked me when I'm free next, only to flake the day of and text me saying, been doing some thinking and realize I'm not ready for a relationship yet.
	And she's still trying to get over her ex.
	Rafael.
	Okay.
	Ah, shit.
	I can't say that.
	I'll skip that one.
	Okay, we have this.
	There was a 37-year-old chemistry professor.
	Oh, shit, I shouldn't.
	Okay.
	There's a professor at a university.
	We matched on a dating app.
	We talked for a bit, planned a date.
	She flaked the day of because a lot of things have happened in my personal life recently, including a breakup five to six weeks ago, buying a house, and I really don't feel like dating.
	I haven't been clear at all about that.
	I don't really have time nor the headspace to date for the foreseeable future.
	37-year-old, by the way, highly successful, established career woman.
	This is shit.
	This is basic shit you figure out before even fucking downloading a dating app.
	It's so funny you had that same situation.
	I just had that same situation less than a month ago with a 37-year-old woman.
	Professor?
	Not a professor.
	Oh, just like...
	She was a past model.
	Yeah, so like, okay, 31, and here's the last one, guys.
	I went on a date with this 31-year-old clinical cancer researcher.
	She shows up 30 minutes late for the date.
	I arrived exactly on time because I'm punctual.
	She doesn't, when she finally shows up, by the way, she texts me like five minutes after the planned meet time saying she'll be there in 10 minutes, ends up being 30 minutes late.
	If you're going to be late, you should text the person well in advance so they can arrange when they leave, but that's besides the point.
	She's 30 minutes late.
	She shows up.
	She doesn't even give me a token apology.
	Not even like, hey, I'm sorry I'm late.
	Okay, I nosedive the date.
	I'm done.
	Like, I'm sorry, that's just so fucking disrespectful.
	So the point I'm trying to make is, if I'm going to be dealing with this bullshit with women my age, I'm just going to, why would I not just get a woman who's more attractive, lower body count, less likely to have an STD?
	So if I'm dealing with, like, you talk about, Brian, you should date women your own age because they're more mature.
	They're not.
	Okay, those are bad experiences, yeah.
	But no matter what age you are, you're going to have bad experiences on some dates.
	So it's just inevitable.
	I have an ex-fiancé, and she's 32 years old, and I've dated 19-year-olds that have far more maturity than my ex-fiancé.
	And actually, what I would say is, a lot of these women, their objection was, I'd just gone out of a relationship.
	Now, that could happen with a younger girl, but...
	Why are you going on dates with girls that just got out of a relationship?
	Why are...
	Why are they on the body?
	Why are they on the dating apps scheduling dates?
	Why aren't those red flags for you?
	But body count is.
	Well, maybe they didn't tell you and.
	They didn't tell me straight up.
	That's what we're saying.
	Dating as a man is much harder.
	We don't even know this is going to come into play until the last second.
	Everyone has bad experiences.
	If you don't think we all have less experiences, this is a rebuttal to you saying you don't have anything in common with a girl who's 19 or 22.
	I'm not saying that, but like the maturity.
	You want to get married to this girl, you know?
	She's not going to be able to drink at your wedding.
	I don't really know.
	She doesn't know what it's like to hold a real job or have a college education or know anything about doing real world things.
	I don't think you should get married at 18, 19.
	You can date her for two, three years, but I mean.
	And it could turn into.
	It could turn into something extremely serious.
	And by that point, she might be a mom.
	He might make her a mom by that point by the time she's 22.
	Whatever floats your boat, I just think it's a little weird.
	Why?
	Articulate why is it weird?
	I've been telling you.
	Because there's no commonality.
	What do men and women have in common to begin with?
	Who's the oldest woman here?
	I'm looking for something in common with my partner personally.
	Like, when I look for someone, I try to have a lot of commonalities with them, at least in terms of goals and future.
	Like, I want them to want to have a family and raise it wholesomely.
	Like, there's lots of things that a lot of men right now don't want.
	And it's kind of hard to find that type of person, you know?
	So it's important to have similar things in.
	But so why is it weird?
	It's not.
	No, she said it's weird.
	Why is it weird?
	So it's not inherently weird.
	I'm not asking you.
	I'm not asking you.
	I'm asking her.
	Okay.
	I feel like I've already said, just because you can say, like, oh, you're going to run into immature people everywhere.
	But when you look at a 33-year-old versus an 18-year-old, who's going to be more mature?
	I mean, come on.
	Like, the 18-year-old just, there's no chance.
	As I just said, my ex-fiancé is 32, and I would, I've found significantly more mature 19-year-olds than my ex-fiancé, 32, which is when I realized she could never be a mother to my children, which is when I checked out.
	Here, let me ask you a question.
	What advantages are there to dating a woman who is 31 versus 21?
	I mean, I don't know.
	That's for you to decide.
	Less trauma.
	Less trauma, which is very important.
	Not necessarily.
	Less packs, less baggage, less bodies, less trauma.
	It's also like midnight.
	Like trauma.
	Yeah, we're going to wrap.
	We're going to wrap.
	Life experience of a 33-year-old in comparison to an 18-year-old is night and day.
	Thank you.
	I mean.
	Somebody who possibly just got out of living with their parents, never lived on their own, never paid a single bill on their own, never knows what it's like to struggle in comparison to a 33-year-old that has gone through most of that stuff already.
	I have sex in common with a 21-year-old.
	Okay, but you said you only have sex with people that you fall in love with.
	I did not say that.
	You did.
	You did say that.
	I had sex with women that he sees potential in.
	No, he says he had sex with people.
	He only had sex with girls that he loves.
	18 years ago.
	He said 17 versus 33 year old.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	I never said that.
	He never said that.
	I never said that.
	Andrew Tate said something about women should only sleep with men they love.
	I never said anything about needing to love a girl to sleep with her.
	You mentioned that you only have sex with girls that you love.
	I never say it multiple times.
	I never said that.
	You also said you could have sex for sport.
	Did you not?
	He said sport and recreation, and then he retracted it.
	No.
	I never retracted it.
	You guys are putting some words into my mouth here.
	Okay, I never said that I need to be in love with a girl to sleep with her.
	How can you reconcile that statement with me saying that of the long-term relationships I've had, of which there's been three or four of them that have been over a year, I said I slept with them on the second or third date.
	Do you think I was in love with them on the second or third date?
	No, you said, from my recollection, you said something about sleeping with girls that you love or have.
	You must, I never said that.
	I think you're taking it wrong.
	I think you're misunderstanding.
	You said you should sleep with people who you love.
	Not sleeping with them.
	Maybe if I misunderstood, then I apologize.
	But I do feel like you are contradicting yourself.
	How am I contradicting myself?
	In regards to your original statement about recreation, sport, talking, the way that you have talked about sex in the beginning of this conversation, the way you're talking about it now, like you just talked about, oh, having sex with a 21-year-old as if you hook up with people when you clearly said you don't do hookups.
	Well, you can fall in love with a 21-year-old.
	What's wrong with that?
	I'm kind of not following.
	I definitely didn't say that you need to be in love with someone before you sleep with them.
	I know from that.
	I was going to say if I misunderstood, then I apologize, and I moved on from that.
	Okay, miscommunication then.
	Okay, so we don't really have much time to dive super deep into the age gap stuff.
	But ultimately, there was one last thing.
	Does anyone, well, okay, while I try to remember that before I give the outro, does anyone have a final thought?
	Final thought?
	It's fucking late.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	We went fucking super late.
	Yeah, this was crazy.
	Yeah, it was insane.
	I'm trying to think what the last thing was about the, uh, um, whatever.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	We'll wrap there, guys.
	It's been a long fucking show.
	Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	We went super long.
	It was crazy.
	Guys, you can have been doing anything else, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	I want to give a big thank you to the panel.
	We went way late.
	So thank you.
	And also sorry that we did go a bit late here.
	Just all the super chats and the conversation with Spicy.
	Thanks to everyone who super chatted and supports the show.
	I really appreciate you.
	Thank you to our chat mods, Zach, Candace, Nemesis, Urameshi, Cadigan.
	Thank you for becoming a member.
	Eric, you might be able to pull that one up in StreamYard.
	And yo, thank you to Eric, the top producer.
	Once again, big thank you to the panel.
	Thank you guys for your patience here while we went super late.
	I need to be wrapping these at 10 p.m.
	Like, it's just, maybe the chat, you can give me feedback.
	How do I manage all the super chats?
	Because I want to read your guys' super chats, but obviously the super chats are pretty, they're a big factor in the conversation continuing.
	So did it pop up on StreamYard?
	Cat again, thank you for the membership, man.
	Guys, we will be live again Sunday.
	There you go.
	You can pull it up.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate the support.
	Guys, we'll be live again Sunday at 7 p.m.
	Today's Tuesday.
	It's today Tuesday.
	Yeah, we'll be live again Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
	Thank you guys for tuning in.
	We will see you guys next time.
	Have a good night, guys, and we will see you later.

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