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Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
Go ahead.
I'm Ayana.
I'm 21 years old.
I'm a budtender/slash musician.
I'm not currently in school.
My name is Lily.
I'm 19.
I'm currently a hostess at a restaurant and major is communications.
Boring.
My name is Tiffany.
I'm 34 and I am a travel and fashion assistant.
My name is Lauren.
I'm 35.
I am a stand-up comedian and I also work at a tech startup.
I'm Sophia.
I'm a student.
I'm an econ major and I'm 23 years old.
My name's Zach.
I'm in the Marine Corps.
I'm 22 years old.
I also need personal training.
And that's it.
Rock and roll.
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Okay.
We're going to go around the table once again.
Current relationship status, longest relationship.
Are you on any dating apps?
And that includes seeking arrangements.
Or I guess it's people keep correcting me.
It's seeking now.
Should I repeat it?
Yes.
All right.
Current relationship status.
Longest relationship.
Are you on any dating apps?
Longest relationship, five years.
Am I on any dating apps?
I downloaded Bumble for the last podcast.
I guess I'm single.
Let's see.
I'm currently single.
I'm on one dating app as of recently.
And let's see.
My longest relationship was a year and a half.
Okay.
Oh, gosh.
It's complicated on Facebook, but I am in a relationship probably for about three years now.
What?
And I know, I know.
Hold on.
Gosh.
I'm only on those apps just to entertain myself.
Wait, could you just move that your white claw?
Is it empty?
Just put it off the table.
There you go.
Okay, so.
Things are complicated, but it's been three years.
Yeah.
Okay.
There's a time.
Okay.
Anyway.
Anyone on Seeking?
Ayana?
Seeking?
Not at the moment, but previously I was.
I browsed on there.
Okay.
All right.
Can you scoot that microphone that way a bit?
Thank you.
Go ahead, Lauren.
I am single.
I am on Bumble and Hinge.
And my longest relationship, right?
Three years.
Okay.
I'm single.
No dating apps.
A little closer to the mic?
Two years.
No dating apps.
Single.
Single.
Okay, Zach, what about you?
Single.
No dating apps.
And longest relationship, six years.
Last you were on, weren't you in a relationship?
That is right, Brian.
What happened there?
Broke off.
It wasn't working out.
Any deets?
There's just a difference.
Difference in maturity level was just the biggest difference.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
By the way, we have a couple of the people on.
We should have gone.
You're not on any dating apps, though, so I guess we can't do this with you.
We're going to be doing a dating app review.
So we have the screenshots from the dating apps.
And you said you're in kind of a relationship.
But you provided.
Oh, gosh.
You provided your dating app profile.
So you're in a relationship.
I'm bored.
I'm going to get on the app.
Wait, hold on.
She's bored.
Hold on.
Okay, but you're in a relationship, but you're on dating apps, correct?
So it's an open relationship.
Yeah.
A three-year, was it always open?
Oh, gosh.
Because it started in college.
I don't know if you want to count that.
I don't consider those serious relationships.
You don't count relationships.
You don't call it college relationships.
No, anything from like high school, college is not.
I don't consider it serious because I feel like that's a distraction.
Closer to the mic.
When you're with a significant other and you're trying to go to school, I always tell people don't get involved with someone.
While you're in college, I felt like it was a distraction for me.
Like I couldn't focus.
But I mean, everybody's different, so I'm always on focus on you first before you give somebody else your attention.
There you go.
That's good.
Okay, but you've been in a three-year relationship.
Yes.
But it's open.
It's open.
So is it a situationship?
Yeah, a three-year situation.
That's what the norm now is situationships.
Links, sneaky links.
Does anyone here currently do that?
Because dating culture, I feel like, that's what it is these days.
And I'm 34, so you're coming back from the time when we wrote letters in school to where, like, send your friend, send your friend to go talk to this girl.
And now, here we are.
It's so easy to dispose of somebody through a swipe.
Oh, gosh.
Why put on all that effort?
It's fun and games for me.
So when I'm bored, I get on the app.
When I'm done, it's deleted.
When you say done, what do you mean by done?
When I'm like satisfied, when my social battery has ran out.
Sexually set.
Do you meet up with guys from the apps?
I have in college, so I had a successful one from Tinder and Bumble.
Okay.
And now we're on Hinge.
We'll see what happens.
Okay.
All right.
They were good.
They were good guys.
Okay.
Interesting.
Interesting.
They lasted a while.
So does anyone else currently have any situationships?
You might not be in a full-blown relationship, but you have a situationship.
Don't point at me.
I'm vibing.
All right.
Yes, if I recall from last show, you're vibing.
Okay, so your vibing continues with the same person or different person?
No new people.
No new friends.
Like Drake said.
No new friends.
Okay.
So you're vibing.
Yeah.
How long have you been vibing with the said person?
Less than a year.
I don't know.
Less than a year?
Yeah.
So nine.
So nine months.
Okay, so a fortnight or nine months?
A fortnight or nine months?
I feel like a fortnight would be fun to say.
No, but okay, so how.
I'm just asking how long?
How long?
I don't know.
A couple months?
Yeah, a couple months.
You said less than a year.
Like eight or nine.
So was it like not official for a while?
Is it not official for a while?
Yeah, it's never been official.
Oh, okay.
So it's complicated again.
Okay.
So 10 months.
Not 10 months.
That's nine months.
Yeah, sure.
So it's been a vibe for nine months.
Yeah.
We're doing our own thing.
Just vibing.
You know.
Has there been a push either from you or from him to solidify the relationship?
Next question.
Oh, no, come on.
I mean, maybe from me.
Yeah.
From you.
So, yeah.
You've wanted to take the next step, so to speak.
Yeah, occasionally.
From time to time.
Okay.
And what's his response been to that?
Her response.
It's her response.
Oh, her.
It's a her.
Okay.
Yeah.
What's her response been?
She.
This is a personal question.
Okay, you want, so you want monogamy with her?
I mean, I'm not pressed, but like, I just want a little bit more, you know, feelings and respect.
Exactly.
That's the response.
Respect?
Yeah, respect.
Okay.
And you feel like you're not getting that from her.
No.
Is she also bi?
Okay, she's full lesbian.
Yeah.
And you're bi, correct?
Okay.
So are you seeing other people?
No.
So you at all?
No.
So you're committed to her, kind of.
On accident, just like everyone else is just not as appealing.
Ew.
What's your type for women?
Like, what's your type?
That's a question.
You like chicks with like big tits?
Like, what's your, what are you doing for?
I mean, that's the body out of you.
I mean, I'm not very impressed about it.
Big body.
I don't know, just like the vibe.
I don't understand.
Like, is that not a definition?
How did you guys mean?
The way that we just talk and chill, you know, and like have fun.
I'm sorry.
What did you guys mean?
I la Vista.
I love Vista.
Okay.
Okay.
But not like in a party.
Just like with a friend group.
An intimate get-together.
Okay.
I think we're digging for nothing right now.
Yeah.
Oh, is it tripping out, Eric?
Yeah.
Sorry, guys.
A little technical issue.
Sorry, guys, one moment.
We're having a slight technical issue, but one in the chat if we're still live.
I'm pretty sure we're fine.
But Eric, we can't see anything on the monitor here.
If you can pull everything back up, you're going to have to go into.
Nope, still scuffed.
F11.
Sorry, guys.
Never buy Adele.
Don't buy Adele.
Okay, so.
Who's this body do?
Let's do.
I kind of want to start with the dating app review here.
Let's do the dating app review.
Let's start with the dating app review.
Eric, you're probably going to have to switch it because the thing probably got scuffed.
We have to go into the window mode anyway, so if you want to go...
Actually, before you do that, let me do Super Chats here.
All right, we have Colburn Classroom.
Ask the girls if they would date Anakin after he killed the younglings.
Is this a Star Wars?
Why would I date Anakin after he did that?
That's a good question.
Period.
Would you guys like to answer?
Oh, no.
Anakin's Anakin.
Can you grab that water bottle that's on the ground, somebody?
Do you see it?
It's in the frame.
It's going to fucking bother me.
The whole show.
Yeah, I'm kind of OCD like that.
Just like put it off of.
You can just put it.
Yeah.
Okay, the girls are not, I guess, did you guys, I don't, you guys have a take on that?
I don't even know.
They probably haven't seen Star Wars.
Yo, we got George Ontaveris.
Oh, he updated his thing.
It's interesting, though.
Another crayon comment.
This is for my devil dog brother.
Get yourself some crayons on me.
Uh rah.
It's probably in the Air Force.
Yeah, I got a full stack on me.
He's in the Air Force?
That's what I'm guessing.
They all say that.
I guess everyone.
If anyone is wondering what that means, Marines just have a reputation of being stupid and crayon eaters.
And it's 100% true.
But couldn't you say that people in the Air Force, they're pencil pushers?
You could also say that, yeah.
So all kinds of writing items.
Army beef.
Anyways.
What did you say, R.I.P?
Army beef.
Oh, Army beef.
Well, military beef.
So like each stereotype in the military is pretty spot on.
Like the Air Force is kind of run like a business.
Navy is run like a college or a fraternity.
And the Army's kind of run like a corporation.
And the Marines are kind of run like a religion.
Wow.
So if you guys were wondering.
Colt.
By the way.
Or that, yeah.
George, good to see you again.
For some reason, I don't know if you caught this.
If you can, George, can you DM me on Instagram at whatever?
We seem to have had an issue with your very generous gifted memberships from last week.
I don't know if you real, if you noticed this during the stream, you gifted 20 memberships, but I think only six people were, and this isn't your fault, this is YouTube.
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Like maybe you can look and see if it only for some reason kicked back some of the memberships that you gifted.
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If you're down to help us troubleshoot that.
By the way, guys, is the frame rate looking a little off?
Sorry, we've been having some weird technical issues with the show tonight.
So does the frame rate look off or is that is my fucking Akido?
Does it is it smooth?
Anyways, that's it.
And then we have this one here.
Just a reminder, guys, we'll do $10 and up for the super chats.
And let's do the dating app review here.
Let's do that.
There's one more.
Oh, there's one more?
Let me see.
Oh, I see it.
Thank you, man.
Oh, okay.
He already redid it.
David Drysdale, thank you for the $10 super chat, man.
Appreciate it.
Would you date a guy your age if he told you he was a virgin and never had a girlfriend?
Go ahead, we'll start with you.
Yeah, I'll give it a shot.
I feel like it would depend if you had like the confidence or like the riz.
Like the riz.
That's definitely not enough context.
Like, yes.
It depends on a lot of other things.
I'm willing to be a teacher for somebody for a first time.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
I was going to say, when I was younger, like, yes, but at 35, if they're still a virgin, that's.
Okay, freak.
That's throwing red flags.
Take notes.
Okay, what about you, Sophia?
I feel like, yeah, no, I feel like, yes, if it was a good guy, it just depends.
That's not enough information.
I mean, I feel like a lot of you say that, but how old are you, Sophia?
Reminder?
23.
23, 19.
20.
That's right.
21, 34.
Okay.
I kind of agree with Lauren on this one.
Like, probably, like, if a guy is a virgin, even at 21, 22, probably you're going to, not that, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I think most women are probably going to have an issue with that.
Because he's probably not bringing something to the table to still be a virgin at that age.
No.
I'm just kidding.
But you're not.
Like, there's some guys that just are waiting for the right one.
And like, if you, that's really that guy, you respect it.
True.
I don't know about that.
What do you think?
I don't know.
What do you think, Lauren?
I kind of think as time goes on, it's really more about motivation than anything else.
And so if someone's just not motivated to seek out relationships or even sex, I'm like, something's off.
Like, something's not right.
You know?
Because like 21, okay, fine.
But 35?
Like, you've gone two of your best decades of your life.
You're in your prime and you've never had opportunity or interest in even sex.
That's weird to me.
That's weird.
I don't know.
I've thought about this clearly.
Because, like, I think that a lot of, like, you have to think about, okay, who is that guy who's at 21, 22, 23 is still a virgin?
By the way, I don't want to come off like I'm, don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not shaming men who are virgins or who have difficulty when it comes to dating or getting laid.
That's not what I'm saying.
But most women are probably, you have to think like he's not, the guy who's the virgin is probably not going to be the guy who's tall, good looking, confident, ambitious, like socially calibrated.
Like that's probably not going to be that guy.
Now, there are some people for either spiritual or religious reasons, they might be waiting for, you know, until marriage.
Yeah.
Zach, what are your any thoughts on this, Zach?
If I was dating a girl my age, then no guy.
Or just, I mean, we can reverse it for us.
We can do that.
Well, let's, let's, before we reverse it, just your take.
If you have one.
My take on.
I would say, yeah, 35 is a little weird.
There's no doubting that.
But I would say if the guy's intentions were saving it for marriage, I say that's a plus for that guy because it's showing in that he's waiting for you to show, like, earn the respect of being that person.
Yeah, it's really rare.
Well, around here, it's rare.
I guess I want to, before we give our take on the reverse, let's say you met a great guy, right?
But he was waiting until marriage.
Is it a rap?
Like, are you gonna wait till marriage, or is that something like you need to have sex?
See, I feel like you can't just wait till marriage.
Like, that, I don't, I don't like that saying, I'm gonna wait till marriage to have sex with the right person.
Because, what if you do that and you're not great in bed?
And now, because you need marriage, you need communication to have this relationship to work.
And if the sex is bad, then like now you're lagging and that person's gonna be like me going off to look for some other entertainment.
Okay, so you wouldn't wait.
What about you?
I feel like as physical touch being my love language, like or a part of it, like could you incorporate enough of that into it so that I'm not like looking elsewhere?
You know what I'm saying?
Because if you don't, that's probably not gonna work out.
I mean, hello, touch me, what's going on?
Okay, but so would that be a deal breaker if the guy says, I want to wait until marriage?
Are we getting married within the year?
No, I'm just kidding.
So, no, probably not.
I mean, some people get married fairly quickly.
Let's say one to two years.
Personally, I feel like how I was raised, if a guy wants to wait until marriage, that's a sign of respect for you.
Like, he really does care about you and wants to do things a certain way.
How were you raised?
Christian.
Okay, you're Christian.
Yeah, so it's like being raised in that religion, that's like it teaches me, like, oh, the guy respects you enough to wait for you to be married because that's how the religion marries.
But, like, you know.
I don't understand, though, because you're waiting.
You don't have to wait until marriage to show that I respect you.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I understand that.
And that doesn't give me any more.
He's not forcing you to do something you're not comfortable with.
Like, he's not a majority of that.
But if it's his decision and you actually be fucking, then it's like, okay, that's cool.
Yeah.
He has definitely been on the same page with that.
100% for that to work.
I mean, I'd say it's a little old-fashioned, but it's cool.
Like, it's like old-fashioned values.
Oh, yeah.
I agree.
You got to know what you're doing in bed.
Like, I can't have some man just waiting around for me.
Like, you need to go practice first and come.
Okay, what about you?
I don't know.
I feel like personally, like, I agree.
Like, physical touch is like a love language.
And I just feel like personally, I'd overthink it to the point where it's like, okay, well, what if we do have sex and it's horrible and like we don't have that sexual attraction?
And then it's like, it turns into like an ick.
And you just don't want to indulge in that.
Okay, and Lauren, I assume for you that's a no-go or.
Well, okay, I don't know.
I'm actually thinking about this.
I may just be really dumb, but I feel like if it was the right person, I might.
I mean, if they're religious and like that's something that's really important to them and like we're just great together in every other way, like maybe in some alternate universe.
I don't know.
I can't really see it.
Okay, so a couple of you said that if the sex is bad, then that's that's a rap, right?
So I'm curious.
My follow-up question to this is if the sex is bad, the first time you have sex is bad, is there not going to be a second time or are you going to give him a couple opportunities?
Yeah, three strikes out.
Lily, what about you?
I feel like I would like try to give it a chance and like try to see if you can get it to be good, but if it just doesn't end up happening, it's like, no, like, I'm sorry.
Okay.
And so would you, if the guy's initial performance wasn't up to par, let's say, what are you going to do?
Are you going to tell him or are you just going to say you're going to hope he figures it out?
No.
You're not going to tell him?
No, I would tell him.
I'm very sexually open with my partner.
So it's like if they're not doing something, or like if they want to know things, it's like, okay, like, do this, do this.
How about I go this way?
Open communication and just like, you know, let them know what to do right and then see if it gets better.
Okay.
And what about you?
Is it a rap if the first time's bad?
I mean, there's always a chance to learn, so I'm not going to disregard him for that.
We can learn together.
Lauren, what about you?
I would say I give it a few attempts, but I do have to say, in my experience, that if it's bad right away, it usually continues in that vein for the duration of the relationship.
What is the question?
It's bad to me.
If the first time hooking up with a guy, if it's bad, the sex is bad, is it a rap?
Do you give him a couple more opportunities?
It would never get to that point, but closer to the mic.
Yeah, I don't think that that would ever happen.
I mean, if the sex was bad, I would be really scared.
You'd be scared.
I just don't know.
I don't know what to think about there.
I need to make it.
Okay, so you said you would never let it get to that point.
Because if you're messing with somebody, then it has to already be built up to the moment that you want to have sex with them, period.
Like, you're not just having sex for no reason.
That's not going to be bad sex if you've been waiting to have sex with someone.
Okay.
That's your can I go off of that?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, so I believe where I stand on this is like the covenant of marriage and like you working towards something with someone else.
If you guys are both on that same page and it's not good the first time, I know for a fact if you guys communicate and like kind of venture it that way with like that special connection that you guys have built up of trust and like communicating.
You know like how each other work and everything.
I feel like that's a way bigger connection than it could be.
You can make it better for them and then also that's a better sign out of respect for each other that it can last a lot longer than like you just like hooking up with some guy with some guy and then having a few months relationships.
I mean I guess basically yeah if you did have bad like it would just yeah would it be memorable.
Because I say, like with the covenant of marriage, it kind of goes over people's heads, but it is really important to have that and like that first, like initial connection, and like you respect that person and you want to do life with them.
Sex is just on top of that.
You guys can definitely work that out if you really love them.
That's hard like, how are you gonna talk about the covenant marriage before and you're talking about sex before?
No, I'm saying, like waiting till marriage.
Oh, like waiting till marriage.
Yeah, that's two different things.
These are.
These are complicated like aspects.
They're going against each other really.
I'm sorry I got confused.
Okay, so a few of you said you would work on it.
I think you specifically what, what specifically?
Please articulate what you would do to help a guy who just you know.
Oh Eric, can you um switch the audio to?
Uh, you're gonna have to go to the bottom right corner and switch the audio to the speakers.
No no no um, here I'll get up and do it.
Um yeah, articulate what you would do.
Um, I feel like it would like depend on what, on what the problem is um, but like if it was like something I could physically show them, you know, like you'd physically show them like what could work better, or like just talk about like oh, like I like this or and you like that, so like me in the middle in a way, but like yeah, just communicate what you want with your partner, I feel like, and then you should find a way to make that work.
And if it's something that you physically can't come to an agreement on, or like something I don't know, I don't know where you guys like both stop trying, then it just doesn't work.
Yeah, like there's got to be and I'm guessing that's like coming from you guys, like if you marry someone, wait till marriage, marry someone, and then that happens.
That's like the big fear you guys were talking about.
Right yeah okay, I think I think partly.
I think sex is partly learned.
Like being good at it.
And so, you know, like you said, like maybe you had to teach them something, but it doesn't mean like it's a no, no-go, I guess.
You're saying it.
You're being a little bit like bad sex, so I'm never going to talk to them again.
Is that?
Well, no, that's not my position.
No.
That's not my position at all.
And the question is, how would you communicate that with your partner?
Yeah.
And actually, I was wanting to grow our relationship because I think that's where sex comes from.
Like, you know, like having good, intimate passion between your whole relationship outside of sex.
Have you ever had a one-night stand?
No, nothing memorable.
No.
But like, have you ever seen a lot of people?
I'd like more of a woman.
No, I don't think so.
I'm literally like, I like to have a crush and work for a crush.
Work for a crush.
And I might be a little bit of a hopeless romantic.
You're a hopeless romantic.
You two are friends, right?
Is she a hopeless romantic?
She said she is.
I thought maybe you had some details behind the scenes.
Well, I mean, I would say this as far as the being bad and bad thing.
Do you think it's harder to be good in bed as a man or as a woman?
As a man.
Yeah.
I feel like it's all about rhythm.
Like sex is like a rhythm.
Like you got to be in tune together.
Like in order to have an orgasm, I need to be the same way, like the vibes that you're going with.
That's just me, though.
Oh, it feels good.
The vibes, Chad, it's all about it.
Like, you got to see a dance with this.
Thoughts, Lily?
I don't know.
I definitely feel like it depends on the person for sure, like how much they think or like what they generally speaking.
Is it harder for men or for a guy or a girl to be probably harder for a man, honestly?
Because I feel like they.
How do I explain this?
I feel like it's duh because there's so many different types of penises that girls are picky about.
And then there's the women with their fat, juicy Gucci, and everybody just wants to get up in there.
You know, it doesn't matter.
I think girls run sex I don't think Exactly so Wait Wait What do you Repeat that Girls run sex.
Just clarify, what do you mean by that?
Like, it kind of like is according to how much effort the girl puts in.
Like, because the guy kind of does the same thing.
I mean, maybe that's offensive, sorry.
But, like, a girl could put in work or she could lay there.
Yeah.
Like, a guy is like, it's not that much of a spectrum.
So I think girls are sex.
I mean, but.
I'm going to let it talk about the menu.
I mean, guys could.
Guys don't have as much options.
What do you mean?
What are you talking about?
What do you mean Ben?
Just clarifying.
Oh, which way can your best could like do like this way and that thing?
Even like girls are way loud.
They have less.
Into the mic?
They would stick it in any hole.
I don't see how it's harder for them.
Guys can't just sit there as long as a girl can just sit there.
So it's just a matter of time.
It's easier for a man to come, but it's harder for the man to pleasure a woman.
Yes.
Well put.
Lauren, did you have...
I actually, I mean, I've only been me, so I don't know, but I feel like it would be harder for a man.
Yeah.
I feel like women are all different in what they like.
I feel like there's a lot more variety in terms of what women like, what gets them off.
I feel like men are fairly simplistic to figure out comparisons.
Yeah, so men.
Okay, good.
Let's go back to the whole virgin thing.
So we'll do the.
Yeah, wait, let me pull it back up.
Would you date a guy your age?
Zach, would you date a woman who's a virgin?
Yeah, absolutely.
For a woman, that's almost a double standard.
It's almost like it's good for a woman.
And it's like you act like it was bad for a guy.
It's a double.
What's a double standard?
So many men are into that.
I feel like almost like, oh, a virgin woman?
Ooh, a virgin guy.
Right?
It is.
That's a double standard.
It is a double standard.
It's been like that for long forever.
But you know what?
What about in their 30s?
Like, is that, does it absolutely?
I feel like if women start to get more respect.
I think it gets a little freakish.
Like, people are like, she's being realistic.
She's being realistic.
I mean, I don't know.
That's just my understanding.
I actually had an encounter, I believe, in the summertime with a 28-year-old virgin.
She was a bit weird, not going to lie.
She was a bit weird.
Sweet, but a little weird.
Too sweet?
No, just weird.
Mostly weird.
Less sweet, mostly weird.
But yeah, I think, I mean, even for, Zach, okay, even for a one-night stand, and I know you're a man of God, so you know you don't do that.
No.
But even for a one-night stand or a hookup, would you prefer getting with a virgin?
Probably.
Same here.
Yeah.
No, I think every guy would agree with that.
Way preferred to be honest.
No offense.
Yeah, no offense.
I just have a question, but wouldn't you want your girl, like, wouldn't you want them to be experienced and know what they're doing?
We do not care.
We do not care.
Really?
If you don't know, then I can do whatever I want and you're going to like it.
You know?
Wait, what's that?
Like, as a man, that's what I'm thinking.
Like, if she's a virgin, like, she don't know what's about to go on.
So if I do it bad, she don't know that.
She gonna love that.
She gonna eat that up.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you're right.
She's gonna be like, oh, my God.
And if they take your virginity, they have your heart for the rest of your life.
Yeah, that's probably part of it.
There's that.
There's.
What we're saying is that is the double standard.
Like, that's exactly what we just said.
You think that a woman took a man's virginity, they have their heart forever?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I wouldn't say heart forever, but for a while.
See, before a woman, she'll think about that on a day that she's real damn bad.
She'll be like, remember that one time I was in that relationship and they love me so much?
No, they didn't love you.
They took your virginity.
And when it comes to a girl being less experienced or being a virgin, I guess, I would say that I guess like with the first time, you know, I would think it would like have, it would be like a milestone.
It would definitely be something that you remember.
Well, that's something to say for where we live.
Because the fact that it's so weird to be a virgin, like, that's not everybody's culture.
But for our culture, that is weird to be a voice.
Which culture definitely just be like, what?
Yeah.
Even if we are raised in the same, like religiously, it's still the culture overweighs our religion.
Like, you know, because it's still weird.
So I just guess for guys, what goes through their head.
Like how we live.
I guess just for guys, what goes through their head is like, am I being compared to someone else?
Insecurities.
I don't think it's a value for someone else.
I don't think it's insecurity.
I don't think it's insecure.
It's not insecurity.
It's just something that is bound to happen if the girl is more experienced in bed.
But guys do that with girls, too.
Do what?
I guess you could think about it.
So you're intimidated by a girl that has more experience than you.
I'm not intimidated though.
It just doesn't interest me.
All right.
To sort of bring it back to the who's better in bed thing.
Here's the difference.
Like as a guy, if we know what we're doing, we can have really good sex with a girl who's a virgin.
However, I would say most women are probably not going to have great sex with a guy who's a virgin.
Like he's just not, he's not going to really know what to do so well.
I mean, you can kind of show him.
Any of you guys had sex with a virgin?
I have.
I have.
Apparently.
Anybody had that experience?
Was it bad?
No.
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's not bad.
It's still, it's just a different kind of experience.
which means that it was a little too good.
I mean, can I go off on something?
Yes.
For, I guess, men and their nature, I would say they're a little bit more protective and want to be like, I guess subconsciously, like we all kind of want to be like the leader in the relationship or like taking care of our woman.
And so it would be more of a turn on for a guy to have someone that's less experienced because then you can like walk that path with them.
But that's almost why it's sexy for us because we're breaking that.
Like, you know, like now we're, you know, that's why it's sexy for the girl.
But that makes sense.
Anyway, look, I mean, there's a whole bunch of reasons, but ultimately, we don't want hoes.
We don't want to pay fully.
To put it bluntly.
We don't want hoes.
That's it.
We don't want virgins.
Okay, I get it.
That's the verdict.
We don't want to pay full price for a car that has mileage on it.
Oh, God.
See, that's the hot take.
Oh, wow.
Good job.
They run a long time.
Because, wait, everyone started from somewhere, right?
Yeah.
Like, he's on to something.
What's he on to?
Like, why do you need somebody that's so experienced?
We don't.
We don't.
That's what we're saying.
Great, great point.
Yeah, that's a great point.
Sophia, I think a virgin, like a girl, like when I was a virgin, like, I didn't know what the hell an orgasm was supposed to feel like unless I masturbated myself.
So I didn't put that all on the guy to give me an orgasm.
I just pop my cheery in.
Let's do it.
Do you know?
Okay, totally irrelevant, but like how many girls it told me that they never came from a guy?
Like it just like took them years of sex to like have their first orgasm.
Because they had to learn what that showed spoken about.
Because I don't understand that.
Like why does it take girls a long time to learn?
Because they're not as kind of a bad person.
Guys obviously teach themselves.
There's a whole song about it.
Girls need love too, you know?
Because they can never say what they want, when they want it.
It's more of a mental thing.
It is.
We have to be mentally true.
We've got to be there.
I guess, actually, the guy's influenced on what?
Like, why does girls, for me, like, personally, for the women I know when they were experiencing sex for the first time, it took them a long, long time to know what orgasm was.
Guys, as soon as they knew what sex was, they knew what orgasm was.
Because they talked that they jacked themselves off.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Oh, you're right.
Apology accepted.
Girls, it's like more complicated.
Yeah, well, I think the other thing is, is that women's orgasm response is a bit more complex.
That's true.
And there's a greater variety, I think, for women.
Like what works for one woman might not work for another.
There's a clit, there's the G-spot.
I mean, there's a bit more psychological factors that can be at play.
Whereas men, I mean, the response is fairly.
Like, don't take this the wrong way, but I know girls who had boyfriends and never came.
Like, you know, like.
Some women have a sudden can't come or have a pretty severe difficulty orgasming.
Some women do, some women can't.
I mean, but are they looking for that?
Looking for what?
No, some women, it's not even, they can't even, it's not just they can't climax during sex.
They can't even climax on their own.
And if they can climax on their own, but not during sex, it's probably like they just generally have a difficulty climaxing.
If they can't climax on their own, good luck with toys.
But that's a nice excuse, but that's not everybody.
No, that's not.
I've never met anyone who said that.
So wait, was that your first time?
I just feel like I know girls, like, okay, later on they discovered themselves and they were fine, but it's like when they had their first boyfriend, like, I'm really thinking back and it's like, they're like, what does that mean to come?
It's just like, it's almost like a little bit harder, honestly, for girls to reach that peak of like, okay, now I know what I want and what I'm looking for when I talk to somebody.
Was that your personal experience?
No, not personally, but I'm just talking about other people.
Okay.
Word.
Anybody here have issues in that department?
Well, no.
I'm not even going to reveal myself.
Kiki.
Kiki.
I know.
Okay.
All right, let me get these other super chats here.
So we have George Anteveros with the big $20 soup chat.
Appreciate the support, man.
Chairforce, former, former, oh my God.
All right.
Is that a disrespectful call?
Former devil dog here.
Chair Force.
By the way, George, I think, did you send a DM?
Anyways, thank you, man, for the soup chat.
Appreciate it.
Dave on Jackson, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
I always say good bedroom fun is about communication and enthusiasm.
So that being said, what would they say is bad sex?
Just the guy not making you finish?
First of all, just not making you finish.
Off tops bad sex.
What?
Like, not just, like, that is bad sex.
But also, you could sit there and feel disgusted because they're doing a hell of weird shit.
They ain't got no rhythm.
There's no pattern.
It's just like, uh, you're like using me up right now and I'm hating it.
Wait, what?
Like, it just feels weird.
Like, if it's not like, I'm not repeating it.
Repeat it.
Repeat it.
No.
If you're like doing it with someone and they're not into it, you can feel that.
You know, there's no vibe into it.
It feels like you're literally wasting your energy and your space.
Like, why would I do that?
It just is gross.
I don't know.
It's like the intimacy.
It's more than just not making someone finish.
It literally feels disgusting.
Like, to be like, I don't know.
I don't know.
Sounds gross.
But also.
It's also less than that.
It could also just be like, Sophia, hold on.
Go ahead.
I also feel like it's the amount of intimacy that you feel from that person as well.
Like, if you can feel that they're actually wanting to be with you in that moment and like you can feel that you guys are in rhythm together, it's like the intimacy helps achieve that emotional connection for an orgasm to occur.
Like it's more about that as well.
Okay.
Tiffany.
I feel like even if the guy doesn't finish, it's to me, I won't consider it bad sex.
Because if I can make him come and finish it.
It's a mic.
It's a mic.
If I can make him come and I don't finish, then I'm not going to consider it bad sex.
As long as I did my job and he's good.
We'll try again tomorrow.
Okay.
It's the same.
Devon said, is it just him not making you finish or can you finish and still feel like it was bad?
Right.
Can you?
Is it possible for you to finish and the sex to still be bad?
Or a man, can I reverse that?
Like, is that possible for you?
I think yes.
Yeah.
Right.
It's possible for me to be.
It's like makes them accomplished.
Still be bad.
I mean, I agree with you.
But Lauren, do you want to answer the original?
I don't think it's about, you know, the orgasm.
I don't think that's what makes sex bad.
Whether it happens or not, like, you can have good sex and the woman doesn't orgasm or the guy, even the guy might not orgasm.
It's more about the connection between the people involved.
It's a woman.
Yeah, like if you both feel like passion and there's like a fair amount of like sexual, I feel like this is the wrong word to say, but like aggression.
Like if someone's really passive, that's going to be bad.
Okay.
Yeah.
Like if someone's just laying there, anyone, if anyone's just laying there, that's going to be bad.
Are you saying like he's going to finish, right?
And you're, and what you're talking about.
What are you?
Because that's the end of sex.
It's like the guy finishes.
That's so sad, but yeah.
It is.
So the guy finishes and that's the end of sex.
But honestly, it can be better than that.
That's why you move to women.
No.
What the fuck?
No, but like once we climax, it's a wrap.
There is another one in there.
They call me Nightmare.
Not for another hour.
That's not another one.
That's the first one.
Lily?
I just, I was wondering.
So like, if you guys like do climax, and let's say the girl isn't like happy, like still needing to get that like achievement of like an orgasm or something.
Like once you guys climax, it feels like you wouldn't be able to keep going to please your woman.
Like you can go down on her and do whatever you want to do, but most men.
They get tired.
They just, the second it happens, it's like, oh, I'm not feeling that anymore.
Like, is that for all men?
What's the question?
That's not really a question.
Afterwards, can you go after your first like?
You can still do that.
Yeah.
You can still please.
Don't people literally go jerk off before they get together.
Well, okay.
Here's a question.
Here's my philosophy.
Here's my response to that question.
Refactory.
Semi-question.
My take is, hold on guys.
My take is, is the girl comes first.
So there would never, like, she's going to come first.
She's going to come first.
So there won't, like, once I come, there probably isn't going to be a need for any further.
There could be.
What's up?
Are you just saying that?
Do you ask her?
She's like, this is all.
Is this real?
Is this real?
She's come.
How do you know?
She's coming first.
How do you know?
I heard that men can smell it.
That's true.
Smell it.
I don't smell it.
What the fuck?
I'm serious.
Like, when a girl's turned on, I heard that a man could smell it.
Oh, or she tells you that she can't.
She's fucking lying.
No, she's doing that all the time.
Nah, bro.
Look.
I got your back in my mind.
Nah, bro.
It ain't like that.
It ain't like that.
Did she say it like, no.
Well, I mean, I've instructed her.
Oh, Dave wants to be a little bit more than a second.
I've been given instructions.
You need to tell me when you're getting close.
You need to tell me when you're coming.
That would throw me off.
No, that turns me off.
No, it's like, no, no, no.
Tell me when you're about to come.
Like, no, don't.
I'm going to wait till I can feel you about to come.
Then I'm going to release myself.
Sometimes I do.
How do y'all feel about what Sharky said?
If he's premature, you got to go for round two or you're a chump.
Well, yeah, if he's coming quick, then yeah, he's going to be around two.
Okay.
Anyways.
You know, round two, you last a little longer, Sharky.
You'll get it worked out.
We agreed.
We've got to figure it out.
But Jesus, what a mess.
Okay, we have, let's see here.
We'll get to that one.
Dayvon Jackson with the Intele Super Chat.
Thank you, man.
It's not a double standard.
It's a different standard.
Women determine if a man being a virgin is off-putting and men decide the opposite.
On average, a man is more willing to teach a woman.
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
I'd agree with that.
To me, it's like what that means.
It's a big thing.
What does that mean?
I mean, there's some that only end up women teaching them stuff.
Yeah, I really don't know what they're doing.
Men don't want to learn shit from a woman.
It's because y'all are stubborn.
They don't listen.
Yeah, but here's the thing.
Because look, I bet you this feels good, but you don't want to try it because you want to be in charge.
That's right.
We do want to change.
What?
Sounds like a personal problem.
If you're a virgin, you're going to have to shut your fucking mouth and learn how to do it.
Then you can probably do something.
Let's go.
Come on.
I mean, unless you show me different.
Shit.
Are you the man?
Damn.
Go ahead.
You know, but if you are acting confused, y'all want to do some crazy shut somebody down.
Y'all want to do like the both, the both sitting up shit?
Whoa.
That's fucking terrible.
First of all, are you?
No, thank you.
You and your fucking comma sutra bullshit.
Fuck out of here with your weird ass positions and shit.
Okay.
Dayvon, thank you nothing.
How can we finish?
Oh my god.
In what aspect?
In what who are you talking to?
I'm talking to Glabis LA.
Glebis.
First off, his name, here, I want you to practice with me the pronunciation.
It's glabisa.
Here, try it.
Let's hear it.
Glabise.
No, no, no.
You got to do the little.
Gla Bisa.
Glabisa.
Here, do this too.
Glebisa.
Gla bisa.
Ladies, how often do you finish?
Sophia, you go first.
Go.
What is that?
That's why I said, like, in sex or in general.
What?
Sex.
Let's say sex.
In percentage, 10%.
No.
Very low.
Too low.
What?
12?
Really?
Wait, 10%?
What does that mean?
During the whole sex?
Or like all the sex compared to how much he finishes?
With a man or a woman?
Oh, are you by two?
In general, do you mean during sex or as much as the other person finishes?
What comparison?
Is it a ratio or is it in general?
Just like how in general.
Yeah, it's not that complicated.
Yo, give us a pie.
We need a pie chart.
We need an XL ratio.
I don't finish enough.
I don't finish this left of my ditto.
Lauren, if you want to answer that.
Yeah, like almost all the time.
90% of the time.
Oh, there you go.
You got a magic wand or woman.
I would say mine is pretty low.
I was going to like 30% still have less than half.
Lily?
I'm a tall player.
I get my pleasure out of it, but it's definitely not enough.
The girls is going to be less than 50%.
Less than 50%?
Less than 10%?
No.
10%.
I don't understand.
Between 10 and 50%.
Between 10 and 50.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
The endosex is the guys.
With a guy, I probably came about 25% if we're being generous.
Generous.
With a woman, we can definitely stretch that very much longer and give it like 85%.
Oh, we on the wrong team.
I'm telling you, dude.
I mean, I guess it depends who you're doing it with, though, at the same time.
But that's with both situations.
Okay.
All right.
See, yours is way higher off top, so I'll fucking with female.
All right, we got George Anteveros here.
Thank you for the 10-dollar soup show, man.
What does that mean?
The most I've gone in the night was three times.
After my nap, we can go again.
Cool, bro.
I'm so proud of you.
First of all, I would like to give you three rounds of applause.
That was a solid three claps.
Only three times in the night.
Only three?
Only three, George.
Come on.
I thought the Air Force brings her to the chat.
He's in the Marines, I think.
Oh, I thought he's like former devil dog.
Oh, I thought.
Oh, okay.
I missed.
Oh, he's a former Marine.
Okay.
All right.
I thought the Marines brought the ruckus.
Fucking Chad brought the ruckus.
Who's fucking Chad?
Honestly, though, we can ask a question related to this.
How frequently would you like to have sex?
One to two times a day.
Whenever the days.
One to two times a day.
Lauren, what about you?
Ideally.
Ideally?
Ideally.
Like once every other day.
Okay.
Oh, gosh.
Tiffany.
Every three days I can go.
Leave me alone after that.
I feel like if I'm with a partner, I can go like two times a day.
But then if I'm not with a partner, probably like once every week.
Oh, that's it.
Yeah.
With a sneaky link?
Like about as many times as you would like.
I mean, an ideal amount.
I'm going to say five times a day.
I was going to say like, four.
I mean, how attracted am I, you know?
It depends.
Zach, what about you?
For me?
Yeah, how many times do you think like ideal to have sex?
Per week, let's say.
Guys, I'm going to say really quick, I feel like women had a little bit of a moment.
Women have a bit more stamina than men in general.
What's that?
I think women have more stamina because it actually physically takes y'all a little bit of recorporation.
Yeah, like a woman.
If you could, like, with some lube, y'all could fuck all day.
Whoa.
You could.
I could not.
No, that's a stretch.
That's a fucking stretch.
Ouch.
What is lube?
That wet, wet word of fuck.
That's crazy.
I'm not sure you guys look at it.
Girls have more stamina, period.
I mean, naturally, a guy wants sex all the time.
But you don't have as much stamina naturally, no.
That's true.
I think girls can go longer.
Men want.
Maybe that's because they don't come as much.
Yeah.
Circled back to the original.
Boom, boom, boom.
I don't know.
Where's the hum is often?
No, I don't know.
All right.
Don't tell me.
Here, moving on.
We got Dayvon Jackson with the $50 soup chat.
I needed to spend this much money to stress how dumb I think the two on the ends are.
Well, you feel me?
The dumber they get, the more.
I know you feel me, Dayvon Jackson.
Apparently, Sophia, repeat, repeat.
The dumber the butt with a boat.
What?
You like that shit?
That's what I'm getting from this donation.
Oh, he likes you.
He likes that shit.
No, he likes that.
No, he loves it.
He eats it up.
That's why he comes out here every night.
Brings me to Dayvon.
Am I saying that right?
Is it David?
Exactly.
Pass the portrait to Sofia.
This one?
Yeah.
Pass it to Sofia.
Sofia, can you just...
That's Dayvon Jackson.
Dave Jackson.
Just hold it close.
That's ROD.
RPU, Dayvon.
Can you nuzzle him a little bit?
Just remind your girlfriend right here.
That's bitches for you, B. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh.
Dave Vaughn, thank you for the big.
Oh, hold on.
I got to do the end.
No, but I really appreciate it.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
We got Red Misfit here with the $10 Soup Chat.
Who at the table is by?
First of all, what the fuck?
What are you talking about?
Sorry.
Sorry, I interrupted you.
Sophia, we need to calm you down.
All right, Red Misfit with the $10 Soup Chat.
Who at the table is by or is possibly interested in women for the girls?
By possibly.
Okay, we'll start over here.
Sophia, go ahead.
We're pansexual.
We?
Are you talking about?
Wait, who's we?
Like me and like everybody.
Your other personalities.
No, I'm just like pansexual men.
Sophia, scoot the microphone closer to you.
Pansexual.
No, no, scoot it.
Scoot it.
Sophia, look, look, look.
There you go.
You got it.
Okay.
Pansexual menu.
She's learning.
What?
Your turn.
Okay, go ahead, Lauren.
Are you bi?
Yes.
Okay.
But very inexperienced with women.
Okay.
Tiffany?
I am not.
Only if I'm under the influence.
Oh, word.
All women are gay, but strictly dick.
Lily, in?
I would also agree with Tiffany.
Like, it depends if I'm under the influence or not.
Mostly, mostly.
Of methamphetamine?
Don't say that.
I would say.
Probably just alcohol.
Okay, wow.
Yeah, just.
So you think girls are attractive, but you just like personally you're not like relationship-wise attracted to females.
Yeah.
See, not relationship-wise, I'm not attracted to females.
But it's like, of course, they're fire.
Yeah.
I mean, a bad bitch is a bad bitch, but that's how most girls feel.
And you're by too, right?
Yes.
No substance required.
I'll take it.
Fake gay bitches.
All right.
Yo, Glevis, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
Dave and I agree.
All right, let's do.
We got to do the dating app review.
We've been meaning to be a little bit more.
Oops, it's gone.
Oh, shit.
It didn't pop up, so yo, George, thank you.
Thank you for the big 10-gifted memberships, man.
Really appreciate it.
The weird thing is, is, Eric, can you scroll down a little bit on the chat there?
Last time, it only gave it out to like six people.
So, guys, make sure you opt in.
I think you have to allow yourself to receive a gifted membership.
But, George, thank you for the big 10-gifted memberships, man.
Hold on, I got something.
Grats, me, boss.
Boom!
Thank you, man.
StreamYard needs to.
Here, let me get before we do.
Hey, gold dick.
We're gold digger sexuals.
Excuse me?
We some gold digger sexuals.
You're gold digger, what?
That's not the chat.
According to Mo.
According to Mo.
All right, we have Dayvon Jackson here.
Girls have more stamina.
Meanwhile, we go for 15 minutes straight, holding you up in the air, flipping you around, and you only ride for three minutes before the check knees light comes on.
Get a better bitch.
Period.
And what about it?
That is one of the most disappointing things a girl can say is if she has bad knees.
So disappointing.
What does that mean?
So, yeah, I'm much like that.
Just like.
Well, okay, girl on top is my favorite position.
So if her knees are all fucked up, then I'm just like, fuck.
Damn it.
Okay, so she's not.
So usually.
You have the position of the knees.
You don't need your knees to ride.
No, you don't need, but the knees, your weight is kind of on your knees.
So it like fucks you off.
How old?
Have you ever been on top?
I was going to say, how old are you?
Huh?
Okay, all right.
All right, let's do the dating app review.
Eric, you're probably.
Yeah, George, they have to have the gifts gifts.
They have to have gifts.
Whatever that means, I agree with you.
Yeah, so listen to Sophia.
Yeah, she's sharing the tip.
Eric, go to the window.
You're going to have to adjust.
Oh, yeah.
All right, guys.
Welcome to Inception.
You nit.
Oh, my God.
How are you?
Here, bring it back and then switch it over to the dating profile.
Calm me down.
Sophia, did you see?
You're the one that smelled of weed, right?
Is that you?
Excuse me.
Guys, as soon as the girls walked into the studio, it's just like the strongest, most pungent smells.
Throw an F. Throw an F. Was it you, Sophia?
Leave an F in the chat if you smoke weed, though.
For fire.
Yeah, also, can we get some RIPs in the chat for all the girls that were saying that their orgasms with guys like that?
Definitely that.
Damn, leave an F for the girls that never came.
RIPs in the chat.
Eric, appreciate y'all, Sharky.
Do you have the dating apps pulled up?
Yeah.
Okay, let's go.
All right, we have F11.
I would have swiped on Lily.
I know.
I would have swiped on Lily.
Wait, Eric, is this the first one?
Yeah, I think this is the first one.
Okay, so we have Lily here.
Her profile says yellow.
Next one.
All right, this is her almost trying to do the ahigao face.
She got that sticky.
This is her by okay, all right.
She likes outdoors music, searching the gym, trying new things.
Yes, which you never did.
What you want to try?
All right, next one.
Okay, she's got spine tattoo.
Yep.
Okay, next one.
Sorry.
Mirror selfie.
Okay, all right.
Next one.
All right, little gym.
Little gym photo.
Oh, dude.
Bro, she's got.
That's my personal trainer, so.
Yo, can we see the tries?
Can we see the tries on cam?
The mic's blocking it.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
God damn.
I see it in real life.
Damn.
Can you hit like a double bicep?
Front double bi action.
A front?
No, no, no.
Double by.
Double by.
I don't know.
Can you do a double by?
There we go.
Wait, Zach, while we're at it, can you hit the double by?
Wait, who got remember this?
Fuck, dude.
Spotty you.
Fuck.
Myron.
Myron aesthetics.
Sophia, let's hit it.
Hit the double body.
Is it this 19, though?
Fuck.
Look at that.
I'm bulking the foot.
Fucking jacked.
Sophia's on that gear.
She's on that trend.
Yeah, you know.
Okay, you can bring it back, Eric.
All right, okay.
Next one.
So, my project.
I think this is the.
Next one.
All right.
I think this is the last one for Lily here.
All right, guys.
Do you swipe left or right?
Yes or no?
I would swipe yes.
On Lily.
I would swipe yes.
First thing bottom neck.
What is right?
Yes.
Right is yes.
Right.
Is that all right?
Yes or no, left or right.
On Lillian.
I think we need to expand on your bio, though.
You know, we need to put more in the bio.
See, I literally just got it like two days ago, so that's why I was like, I'm a first timer to.
Oh, yeah, you got a whole lot, a whole lot of right swipe.
Wait, you've never been on a dating app before?
I have never, no.
Wait, so and so you just downloaded your first ever dating app.
You downloaded Tinder.
Hold on, Sophia.
You downloaded Tinder two days ago.
Yes, so I got out of a relationship like a week ago.
So that's a good idea.
Oh, wow.
How long was that relationship?
Uh, like, we would have been a year, and then like soon.
Okay.
Who ended it?
It was a mutual, like a mutual thing.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's pretty soon to be back on the apps, don't you think?
A little soon?
Just a little bit?
I think it's fine.
I think it's good.
Have you gone on any rendezvous?
Possibly.
Okay.
Possibly?
Not exposing myself.
All right.
Shout out Zach Rodriguez in the chat.
Oh, I got some.
Wait, so okay, you were.
Fuck hot to me.
So you're excited.
Honestly, what's that saying?
Tell me more about your ex.
you just you just got on the dating apps Turn back now.
Turn back.
I should.
Yeah, delete it.
Lauren, what do you think?
You didn't say that to me.
Before she.
It's not a bit, honestly.
It's mostly a waste of time.
Like, just go out and talk to guys you think are cute, seriously.
And among guys, too, once they see a profile, like I would say, like yours, guys, they would go out with you, but they wouldn't take you serious.
See, I'm not looking to do that.
Oh, she's fine with that.
Oh, you're fine with that.
She's fine with that.
What are you looking for?
Wait, what made you, can I ask you, like, what made you, like.
This is her pocket.
Hold on.
I'll let you ask a question, but go.
Go ahead.
What was the question?
What are you looking for?
It's more so the entertainment and affection that...
Entertainment.
Entertainment.
Just like boredom.
Out of boredom.
Give her attention?
Sort of, in a way.
But if I'm feeling frisky, if you're feeling frisky.
If I'm feeling frisky, there's, you know.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
That's what I was going to ask.
So I was like, what made you leave?
Over a year.
What made you leave?
Go ahead.
Ask her.
I need to get up first.
I said, what made you leave after a year?
And you said, you know, it just wasn't entertaining.
No, I'm not saying it wasn't entertaining.
It's just like we both decided it wasn't for the best at the moment.
Good for you.
Yeah.
It was for each other.
Mutual then?
Yeah, no, it was super, super mutual.
Just like.
Yeah, like basically, because I'm looking for something, or I was looking for something more serious, and it's just like prioritizing.
Okay.
But yeah.
No.
You're not going to find anything serious.
Mutual mature.
No, yeah, I'm not looking for it.
No, mutual, mature ending.
That's it.
Hey, Sophia, since you're a really good house.
Just sit right here.
I don't know.
Did I vote on?
Because I was really just initiating, like, this conversation was interesting.
Definitely, I agree.
So, like, anyways, anyway, regardless of what they said, can you tell me, like, okay, so everybody has their favorite ex, right?
What was that guy who's like, you know, I sent him gnarly.
Okay.
The guy that you always look back to like, he gotta be better than that.
Or woman, you feel me?
Like, what is that standard for you?
What did he set for you?
Because for me, it was business.
The guy that I ex like that, he taught me a lot about business.
I wish I could say the standard was to the best guy I dated, but I be picking him.
And I'll be staying.
Oh, man.
But all right.
How about you?
Like how that question was like directly related to like how I said guys know a girl's comparison.
I just want to say like, okay, so everybody, you said you have a standard, right?
And you set a standard based off your past experiences.
Everybody does that.
So like what your past experiences, who do you hold to the highest standard and what do you look for in the next person that that person set for you?
Have you done a podcast before?
No, it's my first time.
It was my first podcast.
Follow me, though.
She's the co-host.
Yeah, she is.
She's now the Sophia's the co-host of the show.
Let's go back to the dating app review.
If you can go ahead and pull it up.
All right, next one.
All right, we have Lauren now, 35, corporate drone at Tech Startup.
Went to Dartmouth next.
All right, Dorker and more shy than I look in photos, working comedian with a corporate job, cerebral intellectual type, very into working out, but also not a fitness freak.
5'5, graduate degree, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, smokes weed, not your own kids.
Other stuff, other stuff, other stuff.
Ambition.
Okay, next.
Okay, next.
By the way, George, thank you for the five gifted subs.
I just saw that.
Thank you, man.
Really appreciate the support.
Most irrational.
Oh, this is her hinge now.
She's got Bumble and Hinge.
She got most irrational fear elevators and also online dating.
Okay.
Next.
We're the same type of weird if you look to research strange and bizarre historical events, facts, scientific findings, etc.
I love to feel constantly amazed, I guess.
Next.
My love language is words of affirmation.
Okay, next.
I like that picture of you.
And I believe that's the last one.
Okay.
You didn't put a comedian in there.
I know.
One of them I don't have that I'm a comedian.
It's kind of like an experiment to see how people split testing.
Yeah.
A-B testing.
Hmm.
Okay.
All right.
Chat.
Yes or no, left or right on Lauren.
And also, do you have any?
We should.
If you come back on, we should react to some of your stand-up if you're down.
Sure.
Yeah.
Next time.
That's fine.
Next time.
They keep saying that I'm not funny.
It's like, bitch, I'm off the clock, okay?
I'm having a podcast right now.
Clocked out.
Okay.
She's clocked out, guys.
Come to the show.
Do you have any type of theme or like something you normally talk about in your shows?
Oh, what do you think I talk about?
I think you're talking about some funny ass shit.
I think you talk shit on where you come from.
Sophia, where are you from?
Yeah, Sophia, where are you from?
I'm from LA.
I'm from Riverside.
What do you mean?
I'm from Southern California.
So, Cal.
Okay.
Got it.
I already know.
All right.
Next one, Eric.
All right.
Okay, we got Tiffany here.
By the way, note at the very bottom, this is on Hinge.
She's got 50-plus matches in the queue.
50-plus matches in her queue.
She doesn't know what that means.
They're going to stay like that.
Super sad.
That's not how a guy's dating profile looks like.
I feel so bad for just denying you looking.
I know.
Go ahead, next, Eric.
Can I ask something?
Are you vaping?
She's vaping.
You can't vape right now.
All right.
We got.
Tiffany.
All right.
We got me during fashion week.
Okay.
Photos next.
Can I get any stories about what's happened off of a dating app?
Like somebody you met, anything fun.
Something has to be fun.
I never met a person.
To sign to get off dating apps.
No one?
No one has had a fun experience off a dating app?
Just went to the gym.
A fun experience off of a dating app.
I've done a gun, but I gave him a chance to get away from him and hoped he didn't text me.
Meaning he didn't, because I was not about to re-range my schedule.
Do you have an ADD?
Yo.
Hey.
That's awkward.
Eric, Eric, can you go grab her Riddlin?
Or sorry, her Adderall.
My bad.
Eric, can you grab her Add Roll from her purse?
Let's continue with the dating app review.
Okay, so we have My Most Irrational Fear Passing Out in Public.
Okay.
Does that happen?
Oh, no.
Does that happen to you?
No, thank God.
It's never happened.
But why is that?
I don't know who's going to come to my aid what they don't like.
Passing out in public.
Yeah, get your phone out record.
Oh, shit.
What do nobody comes to help me?
Okay.
Next.
I could have been a lawyer, guys.
I could have been a lawyer, but what happened?
I went a different route.
I'm still.
What's going on in this?
I know this is a video up here, but obviously we took a screenshot of it.
What's going on there?
It's at the Palace of Versailles.
That's their water fountains.
Oh, nice.
Like the space buns.
Thank you.
Spitting in your face.
You're like snowballing with the fountain.
They love the queen girls.
Next.
Okay.
All right.
I think that's the last one.
Eric, you can go one more.
Okay, yeah, that's it.
All right, chat.
Yes or no, left or right on Tiffany.
Yes or no, left or right on Tiffany.
She could have been a lawyer, guys.
So she's just for legal advice.
Did you go to law school?
No, but I am pretty successful.
I've been to three of my own hearings and I've won them all.
Oh, small claims?
I got small claims, yes, but if you need legal advice, you could be anything off the internet.
Were you the plaintiff or the defendant?
I was the defendant.
That's even worse.
That's even worse.
I know, I know.
So you are struggling in the court.
Defendant for what?
What was that?
Do I have to?
Okay, one is still pending.
Okay, so I got T-bone.
It was an accident.
It was a wreck.
Okay.
And the cops try to blame it on me.
So wait, one was a car crash.
What was the other one?
Other two?
The oh.
I don't know if I want to say it.
Restraining order.
No.
Your ex-boyfriend's not a bad person.
Okay, unpaid debt.
An unpaid debt.
So look at the statute of limitations and you can get away with that.
Just do your research online.
You can become anything off the internet.
Don't be scared of the law.
That's true, though.
Shut up.
Okay.
Here, pull up the next one, Eric.
I think this is our last one we have.
And then we have Yana.
Yana?
Ayana.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
This is her on a busted leather couch.
Okay, next.
Backstage.
All right.
I know that comes out.
About me.
Talk to me nice.
She's 4'11, guys.
The fun size.
Polly pockets.
Okay, go back here.
She smokes cigarettes regularly.
Come on, don't play with me.
Am I saying that?
I've never smoked a cigarette.
The fuck?
I mean, maybe a puff bar, but never a cigarette.
I've never seen her smoke a stone in my face.
It says it right there.
Smokes regularly.
Smokes marijuana.
The cigarette.
That is a smoking piece of paper.
If you ask me.
I roll up joints every day.
No, but Yana, look right below it.
That's the one.
Frequently, regularly for Ree, that's the one for weed.
That's Brian's.
Obviously, I didn't read this very well.
I was like, About me, talk to me nice.
Your fans is telling me that you like short girls.
Are they saying it in chat?
Yeah, 4'11.
They say, oh, that's Brian's time.
If her height don't start with 4, she ain't the one.
But yeah, no, you got to revise that if you don't smoke cigarettes because people are going to assume that you're going to be able to do it.
I will assume that.
No, I'll just delete the whole account.
I mean, okay, she's Christian and looking for something casual.
Oh, Eric, can you?
Watch out, though.
Mouse wheel up.
Thank you.
That's fine.
Yeah, there you go.
So you're looking for something casual, but you're vibing and you have to.
I'm not looking for shit.
You made me download this damn thing.
No, but you already had it.
I was in a different time period to that time.
Okay.
Well, I did update the pictures.
Sure.
Okay, next, Eric.
Oh, can you mouse wheel up on these?
We're IV sink.
Sparking up.
Okay.
Wow, I would not sit on that sink if I was you.
Okay.
Okay, but stands?
No.
Hello?
That's a queen.
That bet.
Okay, next.
Mouse wheel up on this.
We can do music.
We can do music together.
Wow.
How do you do music?
Let's get into it.
But you know how do you do music?
That's a crazy question.
Do you still have your nails on, by the way?
I don't, not at the moment.
How do you wipe?
It's a great question.
With some toilet paper.
With those nails.
You know, just fold it on top of your hand, stick it up front to back.
Oh, wait, hold on.
Show us.
Get it extra clean.
Wrap your toilet paper and then go from front to back, you know, and then flip it.
Okay, too much information.
Just, you know, we can.
Eric, can you bring it back to the window mode?
Next.
Okay, and I think this is the last one.
What's that?
The one above it.
We missed the best picture.
Did we miss it?
I would swipe right.
I don't know what y'all saying.
Eric, go to the next one.
Oh, okay.
There we go.
Mouse wheel.
Swipe right expeditiously.
Good word.
Good word, Sophia.
Very big word.
Well done, Sophia.
Hook her beer.
Yerg.
Wow.
Okay.
Yes or no on Iana.
Did I say right at this?
Yes or no, left or right?
Let us know what the verdict is.
I don't know how to wipe her butt.
I just explained.
And Sophia does not have a dating app, allegedly.
Okay.
Have you ever had a dating app?
One time they had a Tinder party, and I downloaded Tinder for that, but I deleted it after.
There was a Tinder party.
Yeah, what's that?
Yeah, Tinder hosted a party.
You had to have the app to come inside the party.
See, I'm banned from Tinder.
People swear, like, I saw you on Tinder.
Like, nigga did it.
No, I only got it for that party.
I was never on Tinder.
Okay.
Respect.
Okay, so we've done the dating app review.
What's the verdict?
Left?
By the way, guys, don't say left if you're just trying to roast them.
Like, whoa, like, imagine they're lying like shit.
Imagine you're not trying to make hurt their feelings, okay?
Imagine you actually see them on the dating app.
Do you swipe left or right?
That should really be the answer.
I would swipe right on anything.
No, the hobbits is the funniest shit I've ever seen.
The what?
Me personally, I could cross.
She's a hobbit.
No, you're too tall.
You're too tall, yes, for sure.
I'm a little bit more fun.
I did go to small claims with Tinder, though.
How'd you know?
Sophia, can I make a request?
Can you take off the bucket hat?
Don't do that.
I might have to.
Oh, fuck.
Yeah.
Baddie.
Baby.
Yeah, it looks good.
Yeah, keep it off.
Keep it off.
Period.
There you go.
Cut it into my hair, so I put it on a hat.
We have a question here from Stiffler.
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
We'll start here.
Ayana, go ahead.
I feel like I've said ten and I just would never go back on what I said.
Okay.
So ten.
Yes.
I feel like I'm like a solid like 8.59.
Oh, y'all shooting high.
I'm humble.
I'm going to go with a five.
Tiffany, into the mic.
I'm going to go with a five.
For you?
The five?
I mean, if they think you're going to be a little bit more than that.
That was some bullshit.
Don't worry about it.
She definitely is a real seven people think of me.
Plus, I'll take that.
Real life.
Lauren.
All right.
I have a joke about this.
Do you guys want to hear my joke?
I want to be funny.
It's a fast one.
I know, because they've been telling me, like, be funny, bitch.
That's all I've seen the whole time.
Leonardo, no.
No, Caprio.
Fuck you, bro.
All right, whatever.
So the joke is, I had to delete Tinder because guys on Tinder just kept saying the dumbest shit to me.
This one guy on Tinder was like, I hope your day is as beautiful as you are.
And I was like, oh, you want my day to be a six out of ten in LA?
Wow.
Yeah, that's pretty good.
That was some real shit.
What she just said was some real shit.
Because you want me to have as good of a day as I look in LA?
Oh, LA.
You have to disrespect me like that.
Yeah, because that's not a good day.
I'm not sitting by myself on the 10.
Some mediocre day.
Sophia.
What I rate myself?
Yes.
10.
Yes.
Okay.
That's the only option.
Okay.
Probably a 6.
Sad.
I give myself a - 10.
6.
6.9 on a good day.
So.
Okay, so did you hear that?
You're hotter than me on a good day?
I guess maybe so.
That's what he said.
I guess so.
I mean, like, body, nah, he's got me beat.
But just, you know, yeah.
But.
So you two are tens.
You two are tens, right?
Okay, I gotta roast you guys for a bit.
Go ahead, I'm ready.
Yeah, that's right.
All right, you guys gotta be roasted.
Eat me up.
Whoa, slow, slow down.
Don't you rag it.
What's up?
I'm a four in the chat.
Whoa, okay.
So, okay.
If you guys are both tens, do you think that you can get it with a guy who is a 10?
If I wanted to, okay, let me rephrase, not just hook up with a guy who's a 10.
Oh, keep one.
Keep a guy who's a 10.
Can anyone?
That is a good question.
It depends how they feel.
Literally, you have to ask them.
Because if I wanted to, I actually have a lot of characteristics that somebody would have went around.
But if he's fine and he has a bigger pool to swim in, you know, shit, I mean.
Can you get a girl?
Because you're bi, right?
Can you get a girl who's a 10?
I don't know.
My confidence goes a little bit lower over there in that section.
Your confidence is lower with the women.
Yeah.
Sophia, you said you're pan, right?
So can you get it with a girl who's a 10?
Of course.
Period.
Okay.
So.
But you both think you can get with a guy who's a 10?
Yeah, I guess.
I do.
So, okay, I mean, this is, I feel like this is kind of the problem, one of the problems with the dating marketplace right now.
Everybody thinks they're a 10.
Well, not everybody.
Obviously, not everybody.
Two people at this table do that.
Oh, I do.
But, like, if people think that they're hot shit, if they aren't.
Anything else?
What about if they aren't?
You got to bring more than just looks to the table.
Like, if you're a 10 because you're a fuckboy and you look good, but what else are you bringing?
You got to, like, mentally stimulate me for me to say.
Yeah, you know that.
True, but.
But, like, what would you guys say is the primary thing that men look for in women?
Appearance.
There we go.
First.
Here we go.
How am I supposed to know?
You say period.
Huh?
Yeah, I got you.
Did you just say period?
No, I did.
Oh.
Period.
Appearance.
Oh, yeah, yeah, appearance.
I thought he was like, period.
Whatever.
Is anyone going to answer that?
What was the question?
What is the primary thing that men look for?
Appearance, I think.
First.
I feel like that's probably a girl that they feel like is like their friend.
Wait, what?
Ooh.
Guys do not want to be friends ever.
Don't worry about it.
She's right about that.
She's right about that.
Never?
Never.
Barely.
Girls that they really like.
Oh, the girls that they really like is like platonic male-female relationships.
Wait, hold on.
I got to say, maybe tried it and what they always turn it up with is their homies.
You could start it like, oh, this is a friendship, but if they hang out with you for too long and you're a 10, then at the end of this, they're going to want to fuck.
It's not a question.
Okay.
Unless they don't like, you know, things about you, maybe.
Eric, did I, uh, Eric, did I miss the subsequent gifted memberships from George or was that just from the previous, it just fell off.
So I'm just curious.
I don't think you missed it.
Okay.
Yo, George, thank you for the $10 super chat, man.
Really appreciate the support.
Only 10 is Brian and Zach.
Well, you forgot Kiki, sir.
Come on.
No.
Oh, wow.
She's feisty tonight.
Jeez.
Okay.
Appreciate you, man.
Okay, so.
Sorry, I lost my train of thought there.
Okay, so this is the problem.
What the date.
Oh, I kind of want to ask this.
What do you guys think?
It's like the main three things that guys look for.
One is looks, but what's the other two?
I would say like how you depends like how you respond and how you talk to them and like how you can communication.
Yeah, sometimes people will be like, you're hella fucking dry.
Or some people will be like, oh, you're an entertaining person to talk to.
I feel like it also depends.
What about you?
Dependability, like always being there when you said you're going to be.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Nobody likes a flaky person.
Okay, yeah, sure.
All right.
I feel like I go through a screening process.
You got to rate good with the appearance, the communication, your personality.
I mean, you could score low with some parts, but if you move on, then you're worthy of it.
What's the question?
What's like the top three for guys?
That guys look for.
Oh.
Definitely looks, but I think they care a lot about personality.
Like, they want someone to be nice and approachable, friendly.
Okay.
So approachable, dependable.
And they're not going to be communication.
Okay, yeah.
No.
They don't care.
Yeah, it might not be up there, but I mean, looks seem to be the main one when it comes to men, but also, like I see a lot of, they want um personality like like, they like a, like a similar sense of humor.
Don't be too, don't have too much personality, because then you're a hoe and you talk to everybody and you're a goer.
I bet you how much guys think about that.
Okay, if you're QA used to yourself and you're just only laughing at his joke, then he's gonna love you, but if you are laughing at his homie's joke, he's gonna be like oh, she's a goer, she's for everybody.
That's true, you know what I'm saying.
But they like a girl, they like a girl that likes, you know, has the same sense of humor and same type of interest.
You feel me as them.
It's like a regular, it's a regular.
Yeah yeah, but you know it's just like you have similar interests, you like to watch the same things on TV or, you know, laugh about the same memes, whatever.
What about you, Brian?
What are you?
What are your top three for a woman?
Yeah, top three, not a hoe.
Yeah, brings me peace yeah wow, not a hoe, brings me peace, just young and attractive.
Young and attractive.
Yeah, young woman, young and attractive.
So you're ageist.
Yes, I'm ageist, like old ladies.
What's that?
I mean I dated a 45.
What about a girl?
Numbers, I don't care about numbers.
What's she like?
13 years, someone that was 13 years older and 20 years old.
Wait, wait.
I know what's up the chat is saying like, oh, nobody said loyalty.
You're not talking about who you're your girlfriend, you're talking about who you want to date.
Why would the person you want to date be loyal if you are not dating yet?
Actually, there's here's my take on this, a woman should be loyal to me before she's even met me, like two years before she's even met me.
Two years before yeah honestly yeah, she has to wait until I manifest in her life for you.
If she's not loyal to me, she doesn't even know my name, but she's like he's coming, he's and she's loyal.
Loyalty is a giant plus, but I feel like you don't know loyalty until you date somebody first.
It's a puzzle.
Okay, I guess that's because, like the first day I met, the first day, like we meet or something yeah, you're not supposed to know, but I think for me it'd be.
What if, after we've been talking for a while, and I could tell you, don't you know you're for everybody?
That's totally different, but if I'm already like, interested in you, I'm not gonna expect you to be loyal.
Sorry, you know what, though?
I'll tell you this.
I'll let you go in just a sec.
Zach, one of the most attractive things a girl can do like as, in my view, is, even if there we just met and there's obviously no necessity, there's not necessarily an expectation of loyalty or commitment honestly, the hottest fucking thing a girl can do is say, I'm only talking to you.
That would be fucking huge, because the dating meta right now is, people are talking to so many other people.
People have they're sleeping with one two, three other people.
Yeah, that is so fucking attractive.
If a girl says, I'm not talking to anyone else, I'm pursuing you.
That happens all the time bro, a lot of these people are for the single time.
There's a lot of, I mean, there's a lot of yes, there's a lot of single right now.
Yeah yes, how many people you seen right now?
One that's seen somebody one?
You're not truly single, though.
See, that's the thing.
People say they're single but you're not.
If you're fucking with someone, you know I'm not dating with anyone, I'm not dating anybody, but you just said there's young guy friend, then yeah, if I'm gonna have I'm not gonna have sexual relations with somebody, it's gonna be one person.
So you're having sex currently.
Hmm, that's enough, that's a yes, anyways.
The point is.
What is the point, Sophia?
Tell us the point.
The loyalty thing just comes from within.
It's like, who do you really want to be with?
Okay.
And that's going to be a parent.
A parent?
Yeah.
That's incest.
How dare you, Sophia?
Hopefully not real.
But hopefully it will be visible that you like that person enough to not make them look stupid.
Okay.
Word.
All right.
Yeah, word on that.
Because I like, you feel me?
The person I'm messing with, I'm not going to be able to do that.
We feel you.
We feel you.
But it's not like that, but I'm not going to make them look stupid and talk about some other shit.
It's just respect.
Wait, so you do have respect then.
You do have a guy that you're seeing right now, though.
Or is it a girl?
You make that sound so like official.
Is there someone?
I don't see anyone right now.
I'll make it less official.
Is there someone you're currently having sexual intercourse with?
No, I don't see anybody.
No, I don't see anybody.
But if I feel like having sex, I'll probably hit on my ex.
Oh, fuck.
So it's like somebody I trust.
Okay.
You trust your ex?
Okay.
Yes, I trust my ex.
Maybe I might have made myself look bad.
Your turn.
Somebody else is answering.
It's just like if you're fucking with someone, they're not going to make you look bad.
You're not going to be honing around.
It's somebody that you trust.
It's a mutual thing.
And it's not like, you know, you're looking like crazy for fucking with them.
It's because you're just having a normal human experience of having sex.
You feel me?
That's what all I was trying to say.
Oh, we feel.
We're feeling.
A fuck buddy.
We're feeling.
Wait.
A quiet.
Do you live in Santa Barbara?
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Anyways, we're going to move on.
We're going to move on to the next stuff.
Let me get these super chats while we...
I would agree with you.
Big three, though.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's just pretty common among guys.
All right, we have, uh, wait, okay, we got, uh, I, someone at Lauren's comedy show.
Still waiting for Lauren to be funny.
That's Canadian $10.
So, Mercy Buku.
I don't know what to tell you.
I don't feel funny right now.
Leave me alone.
Like, I don't...
Don't listen to him.
Is that Michael from the office?
Why did he.
But, like, really depressed.
That's like the one clip where he's like, I'm going to fucking kill myself.
You know what I'm talking about?
No?
Yeah.
Of course, we feel it.
Dayvon Jackson with the $10 chat.
If you're never loyal, why would the man ever commit to you?
Laughing my ass off.
Do you want a man to commit to you?
That's the thing.
Like, if you don't want a man to commit to you.
You should.
Yeah.
Not if you're looking for it.
Not if you're looking for what?
Like, if you're looking for a man to, like, if you're not looking for commitment.
You should be, though.
Yeah, why would you?
Why shouldn't ever be?
You should be.
Like, for me, I should be looking at it.
It doesn't really bring you happiness, does it?
It does for me.
It could for me.
Momentarily.
Women.
Exactly.
Here's how the question is.
It's on now.
Live in the fucking present.
If you're happy with what you're doing, then why do guys think it's sad, like, how we react to our exes?
What's sad about this?
What are you talking about?
I'm reading the chat.
Yo, shut up.
What is sad, what is sad about, what is sad about.
Sophia.
You're at a different podcast.
All right, for sure.
What's the question?
Okay.
What is.
You got it.
Okay, but what I was saying, it's just, yeah, it's just that like instant gratification ruins things that can be long-term in the future.
I think guys, like, really Agree with that, I would say.
And then they kind of like they don't, you know, they don't find success.
They bend their knee and then they download a Tinder profile and they wait and they waste girls' time.
Okay, they bend their knee for the rest of their life.
For what?
Like, I don't know.
I've never been in the middle of the day.
We live in a world of instinct gratification.
We live in the society.
Yeah, definitely 100%.
That's regular.
The society.
Yeah.
Because if they don't see it on your shit, they're just going to.
On the next bit.
Literally right after the web.
That's not saying that you should do it, but it's like.
Do what?
What are you talking about?
And he said, what?
Instinct gratification makes it harder for girls to harder for men to respect women.
Is that what you're saying?
I didn't say that.
So instant gratification, what?
It's easier and it's easier and more fun than working towards something like that.
It's easier to find women who are more willing to do things than the person that you met might do.
But like, that's different.
Like, you want digital satisfaction or you want real-life satisfaction?
When you say digital, are you talking fingers?
What are you talking about?
Digits?
Digital?
No.
He said, is instant gratification, like, you feel me, almost better than waiting?
Dude, you're playing 4D chess here.
You're in the middle.
I'm going deeper.
Sophia.
You're playing 4D chess.
Think about it.
Never mind.
Fucking 400 I keep like no, you're on like another wavelength.
Sophia's a legend.
Sophia, you're holding it.
Come back after this with late night, whatever.
We got Dayvon Jackson here with the $10.
Oh, wait, did I get this one?
Yeah, I did.
We have George Antiveros.
George Antiveros.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
Yes, how can I forget Keith?
Sorry, I don't know what I just did right there.
The other 10.
Yeah, how dare you, George, forget Keith.
I hate that audio.
It bothers you.
Have you?
It triggers me, perhaps.
Oh, do you watch those like reject modernity, embrace masculinity videos?
And it uses that.
Yeah.
Is that what's triggering?
I know those.
Yeah, yeah, I love those.
These fucking Ziz and shit.
It's like this.
And then, okay, anyways.
That's fine.
Eric, can you highlight the one from Dayvonne, please?
Oh, wait, the Larry David sound?
Davon Jackson, thank you for the soup chat, man.
Appreciate it.
What if you don't want the guy to commit?
A woman that will wonder why she's single at 40.
You know what, Dayvon?
Speaking of 40, we have a video to react to.
We have a video to react to that is sort of related to your soup chat.
Eric, if you can pull up the video tab, poor favon.
All right, it's going to be the 40-year-old French single cat lady.
Okay.
That's it.
I think I will end up with a cat, something like that.
I'm 40 years old.
I'm in good shape.
I think I look pretty good, even if my hair is a complete mess since I'm here.
And I'm not capable to find someone who is able to get interested in me, in myself, for a long time.
I don't know.
It's all nuanced.
Superficiality.
Relationships are only superficial.
I don't understand why.
It's so important to be able to share things, thoughts, feelings with someone.
And to trust someone, you know, and to feel good with someone.
It's not just about sex or sleeping, etc., etc.
I don't know.
What are you doing, guys?
What are you looking for?
I was talking with my French friends this weekend.
Sorry, guys, this got clipped into teachers.
What are you doing, guys?
What are you looking for?
I was talking with my French friends this weekend and they were all looking for sex and meeting new girls and that's it.
They really are not interested in meeting someone and have connection with someone.
What are your fools?
Tell me about that.
It's, you know, I don't understand.
So okay, clearly.
She was having a little trouble.
Maybe she's said in French, I could have translated.
She's just very focused on herself.
Do you guys, yeah, do you have a reaction to the clip that we just watched?
Obviously.
Like, she, I don't know, she's not going to have the distractions of everybody else.
She's not into that.
That's not what she was taught.
So that's what she thinks.
And she's confused by all the people that only are looking for love because that's how they were brought up.
You know what I'm saying?
What?
What?
That doesn't make sense.
Lily, go ahead.
I feel like if you have reached that certain age, I don't know.
I've seen people, like, for example, like my grandmother, whatever.
She, like, if you don't find someone at a young age or like somewhere around our age to fully commit to and start a life with, I feel like it definitely is older or harder for older people to find a relationship to commit to because, you know, it's harder to find love at that age because you've been through so much in life.
You haven't been through that life with someone else.
So it's just like you kind of just have to wait for the right person who's looking for the same thing with you.
Like you have to wait for that person to come to you or whatever happens, I feel like.
So it's harder for people at that age to find a committed relationship.
If that makes sense.
Can't find it if you're not looking for it.
True.
Tiffany?
Yeah, I'm not looking for it.
Your reaction to the video?
I feel like when she's asking, what are these guys looking for?
They're looking for someone to take care of them.
Like, that's what I feel like.
Wait, guys are looking for someone to take care of them.
Like, I mean, I've turned down two proposals.
And you gotta say that to the mic.
You've turned down two.
So one of them, I knew it was coming, and so I kind of had to break that one off.
But the other one, you know, like, I gave the ring back because I just, I just feel like you're being, you grew up in a time period where your parents are still married.
That's what you're supposed to do when you get older.
But for me, like, when I was in high school, all my friends are talking about, oh, I'm going to get the white picket fence.
I'm going to get the husband.
I'm like, no, I just want to be by myself.
I never want to get married.
And I told the guy that I'm with now, like, we're never going to get married.
And he's okay with that.
Like, what's the piece of paper going to do?
I'm not.
It's going to save you some money if you don't have to.
I know anyone's signed.
Ask Brian.
He knows.
I mean, if you're not.
It's not for me.
If you're happy with that, then that's no one else's problem.
Like, if you're happy with the way you're living life, that's not up to anyone else to decide.
And that's what I told him.
Like, we don't need a piece of paper.
You won't catch me in no white wedding dress.
So you don't want to get it.
I've taken all their money.
I don't.
And I'm not.
I'm just not like that person to ask for money.
I don't.
I don't know.
I guess I'm looking for someone.
When I think of marriage, I'm like, I need someone that I cannot live without.
And I haven't found that yet.
So.
Okay.
It's not on my radar.
It's not on my radar to get married in this lifetime.
So I'm completely fine.
I'm not going to be able to do it, like someone you can't live with now because you should, as you are, like happy by yourself.
Yeah.
They should add to the happiness.
They should.
And that's why I will stand by my decision.
So you need a man that's independent like you.
Somebody needs to prove me wrong.
Maybe.
I'll say yes.
So you don't want kids?
I have a kid.
Oh, you have a kid?
I have one.
Oh.
And no more.
But see, that's what I'm talking about.
In high school, I'm like, I'll have a little boy.
And that's all I need.
I got that.
So I'm like, I'm good.
Yeah, because I heard something about...
I don't care who the dad is.
Wait.
Wait, so you're 34, correct?
When did you have your kid?
24.
24.
I'm done in the reproductive year, so I can have fun in the latter years.
What year was that?
2012?
2012.
Feeling good.
You know, black don't crack and Asians don't raise us.
And so, where's the father?
Is he not in the picture?
Yeah, co-parents.
Oh, you're co-parenting.
Got it.
Is it 50-50 custody or do you guys?
No, we're not going to no courts.
Nothing like that.
No, but do you guys have shared custody?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so everybody's involved.
We don't want to.
Okay.
We're not like, because my parents are still married.
I don't want him to ever think that he came from a broken family.
Okay.
Lauren, your reaction to the video.
To the video.
I don't know.
It definitely gets harder as you get older, I think, for everyone.
You know, like people get married, right?
Your dating pool shrinks to some degree.
I don't know.
It sucks, but that's just the reality.
So, I don't know.
To me, I don't think it's like a sad thing to be single.
Like, I think being single has a lot of.
You're a little bit more strong, huh?
It has a lot of pros to it.
You know, it's not just all downsides.
I know these guys are sounding off about that, but there's good and bad things about relationships or being single.
Relationships are hard.
They're hard for women, too.
Wow.
Okay.
All right.
Do you want kids, by the way?
Do you want to have kids?
No, not really.
I mean, I'm kind of like, I was kind of on the fence about it.
Like, if someone I was with really wanted kids, like, maybe.
But I mean, I'm 35, like, and I'm completely single, not seeing anyone.
So I feel like that ship has probably sailed, and I feel fine about it.
Like, I don't, like, I don't know.
Wow.
I mean, I know that's weird.
That's self-awareness, I guess.
Yeah, I mean, it is a thing.
Like, once you hit 35, you do you start getting into kind of high-risk pregnancy territory.
It's a bit harder to conceive.
So it's a danger zone.
Right.
And it's not something I ever wanted.
And now that I'm at that age, I'm just kind of like, it is what it is.
It is what it is.
Yeah.
I don't regret my life at all.
Sophia, what are your thoughts on Moldova?
Video?
Yeah, that thing.
I didn't have any thoughts on that video.
Come on, Sophia.
Come on.
I really did not react to that.
I couldn't follow what she was saying because she talked a little too much.
You don't say.
But what was she saying?
Not much.
She was saying what are guys looking for.
Why can't she find a guy that's 40?
She asked me not a guy.
It sounded like she was just asking her.
She's focused on the wrong things.
She's 40.
She's saying, where are all the good men?
Where did all the good men go?
Oh.
All the guys want is sex.
But okay, so do you want to go or?
I'll go.
Or you go.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, I mean, the first thing that I'd point out about the video is she made a complaint about people being superficial, yet I find it a bit interesting.
Like, she was, I don't know if you guys noticed, she had a pretty noticeable filter.
Very noticeable filter and makeup on.
Because if you looked below her neck versus up here, she had like a pretty gnarly filter going on.
So I just, how are you going to complain about superficiality, but also maybe it's in personality, not in her looks?
You can be a very superficial person, though.
I couldn't hear anything she said in that video.
Oh, okay.
She's just contradicting herself by using a filter and being a violent guy.
My guess is making it audience at that time.
But like, I don't know, it's kind of interesting.
Like, she's saying how men are superficial.
But, like, you kind of have to think, what is she only interested in?
Exactly.
Height, income, hair color, eye color, body type, jawline, hairstyle.
Do you have enough money to travel?
Social class, level of education, vocation.
Yeah.
Like.
There's a lot of boxes guys have to hit for her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean.
And there's not going to be a lot of guys that want to be with a, what, 40-year-old?
Well, she's 40 years old.
So of the men that.
Let's say there's men that want to have children, right?
She's, that's a no.
Yeah, it's a no-go.
She can't have kids.
So younger guys.
She could, I suppose.
But younger guys are probably into her, and she's unsatisfied with that because a younger guy doesn't have to.
Younger guys probably are not into her either.
I heard that younger guys are more into older people.
Like there's a good percentage of men that are younger that are into older people, like older women.
Yeah, there's the Cougar.
Unlike the men, you know?
The Cougar thing.
The Cougar thing.
Older women going for younger guys.
But I said the men going for older women because there's definitely older ladies that have little boys in their DMs all the time talking about something.
Let me just take you on a date.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I literally just watched an interview.
It was like Lala.
I'm sorry.
It was like Lala or something like that.
And she was talking about how, you don't know who that is.
Two.
Hold on.
Okay.
You might need to refresh the motherfucker.
It's a girl.
She's like all reality shows and stuff.
I don't know.
But yeah, she had made a thing.
She's getting older and men still be hitting her up.
And I definitely believe it because she looks fine as hell.
You know what I'm saying?
And she was very pretty, that lady who was on this video.
Yeah, I mean, to her credit, I think she does look good.
But I mean, with this important caveat, for her age, she looks good.
She probably looked better at 20 than she did at 40.
So what is the cap?
Like, what's the age where you're like, I can't date her?
She's too old.
What if she didn't tell you her age and she just looked like how she did?
I mean, so she lied about her age?
She didn't say shit.
Are you lying to me on talk?
I mean, if they're on the dating, like if you meet on the dating app, their age is going to be on the dating app.
What is too old to you?
How old are you, first of all, and what is too old to you?
Me?
Yeah.
I'm 33.
So what's too old?
I mean, I've dated older women.
Like, I dated in the summertime, I think I dated a woman.
So older would be older than your age.
Right.
But I mean, I'm not convinced that I want to have children.
But generally speaking, in terms of, like, if you ask me what demographic of women I find the most physically attractive between the ages of 18 to 25.
And you ask most men.
No, but you ask most men that, they're going to say probably between the age of 18 to 25.
Yeah.
I'd hope so.
There's people 16 to 25.
I'm a fucking noun.
Like, whoa.
but like you have to think like okay what incentive does a man have to take someone like her seriously so she you made it this long Why don't you?
Why don't I need to see her?
Well, yeah, well, she can't bear children.
Probably.
She can't.
She can't bear children.
I feel like there's people that aren't.
I mean, at 40, it's like 10.
Yeah, I mean.
They could still have children.
Yeah, there's other ways.
Yeah, but if you're a guy, like, why not just go for the 30-year-old?
If you're 40, why go with a woman who's 40?
Why not go with 40 years?
So at your age, you have like, you just have like a selection, like all ages, like, whoever you want.
Is that what's the question?
Like, do you, is it, can you, can you find single women of any age and you could tell the differences between their ages?
Like, you know that you could tell the difference between a 19-year-old and a 25-year-old and a 30-year-old.
Yeah, you can tell.
If you just stood them in a line right now.
I could probably tell.
I mean, there's like a- I'm just trying to say, what is the difference?
I don't know.
I can allow you to say that.
What's the difference between that?
What is that?
A girl to nurture into a girl.
But at 30, she's done.
She's more so looking for somebody to, she's not looking to be nurtured at 30.
She's 40.
Wait, what?
Nurturing?
That's not a good idea.
I'm asking, like, what is that cutoff age?
Like, what makes you no longer attracted to a woman?
It's not like a set age.
I mean, a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman, right?
But, like, there's a what a woman at 20 could be hot at 20, but might not be hot at 40.
There's not, I wouldn't, for me, there's not a cutoff.
There was a girl.
And honestly, one of the bit, like, if she's 45 plus, you can't knock her up.
So they get some points there.
Yeah.
That's not true.
You could still knock somebody up.
I mean, it's.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
There's.
Okay, I shouldn't say.
The chances are low, but just for a guy, he's going to be more willing to try harder for a younger woman rather than having a girl that's had a lot of experience and probably harder to take care of or lead in a relationship.
So are guys more likely to go older than marriage or girls?
Girl.
Women.
Definitely a woman.
100%.
Women go older.
Because, yeah.
I mean, the older men get, the more wealthy they get.
And that's like a big factor, too.
Just statistics.
I mean, not all men are going to be able to date a young woman.
Like, at 35-year-old as a guy, you're going to have to be attractive and still attractive and then have either some status or be financially well off if you want to date a girl who's 22.
So, or have some games, like, so it's not like a...
Should people in their 20s date?
Like, under 25?
You should be dating at 18.
Yeah, I think you're going to be able to do it.
You shouldn't be.
I don't recommend people do the hookup culture thing.
Yeah, I don't.
Okay.
Don't do it so much.
No, you'd be hard pressed to find somebody over 25 that wants to really call you their girlfriend, like really want to be locked in.
That's hard.
You'd be hard-pressed to find men that would want to date a you.
I mean, like, to find people that really want to have that type of label, like, you're my boyfriend.
Like, and we're official.
That's hard.
We're living in a different type of, maybe you guys are older, the type of time we're in, like, that's not regular to just do.
I mean, it's hard for women that sleep.
It's harder for women that have more history and sleep around.
It's pretty easy for a younger woman to find a serious relationship.
Right.
Also, you have to.
Okay, so you're saying you're having trouble finding the guys that are willing to commit to you.
A little bit earlier on in the conversation, you considered yourself a 10.
What that's communicating.
Hold on.
Hold on.
What that's communicating to me is that you are going after men that are more physically attractive than you that are not going to commit to you.
Oh, no, I'm not going after anybody.
I'm just saying, like...
So you're not talking about yourself.
I thought you were talking about yourself.
Well, fine.
This applies generally to women.
Yes, if you have an over-inflated sense of your physical attractiveness, you're going to be chasing after the top 10, top 20% of men.
Hold on.
And they've done the research on this on what's going on on dating apps.
You basically have 80% of women that are chasing after the top 10 or 20% of men.
But you're just looking at pictures.
But what about a higher chance of finding a real life man?
Like when you're 20.
Okay, there's two questions here, so what's...
You go first.
Sophia, go ahead.
What you said, men have a higher chance of finding a woman than a female does have no actually men struggle more with 80% of women fighting for the top 10 of men.
True.
That means she just pointed out a new way to look at that because y'all can look at whoever you want.
If 80% of women are fighting for the top 10 of men, then it's definitely like girls, maybe they have higher standards, but men are getting more women.
Well, if you're chasing after the top 10 or top 20% of men, then you're getting more women.
Who is the men?
The girls might not be getting more men, but the guys are getting more women.
Are you talking about hookups?
Are you talking about relationships?
You're confusing me.
Because you said 80% of women on Tinder are going for the top 10% of men on Tinder.
Which means that the top, those men.
The most attractive men are not going to commit to you because they have an abundance of options.
Oh, that's what you were trying to go with.
That's where you're turning from 18 to 25.
It's harder for a woman to find a man that wants to settle down.
Isn't that what the question was?
No, what?
Because that's what I put together at one point.
It's harder for a woman who's between the ages of 18 to 25 to find a man in the top 10 or top 20% to settle down.
That's like a proven fact.
Yes.
Because you have a there's a small subset of men which are pretty much getting most of the women.
So you have these player guys, these really attractive guys.
They're getting all the attention from the women on the dating apps.
Because they're not in real life.
And then like you have the average man who's getting absolutely no attention.
He's not going on dates.
He's getting on curved.
You could say you were settling for him.
Because a lot of guys aren't six foot.
They don't make six figures.
A lot of guys are not that attractive.
But what does he have to offer?
Why do I have to settle?
It's not.
But we're not saying that.
It's not.
You would consider that guy a set.
But you think, okay, you think you're a 10, right?
So you're going to look at the guy who's not a 10 and think, I'm settling for him.
No, I'm going to think, oh, he's mad funny.
I'm going to just look at that good aspect that he has, and I'm going to rate that as his 10.
That's what makes him a 10 or her a 10 or whatever.
Yeah, we can make up for it in other ways.
Status, humor, personality.
I don't think looks are the first thing on my chart of dating people.
You know?
I'm going to be honest.
What we're saying is that whether it be financial looks, dependability, any of that, I think girls tend or will tend to date up while guys don't really care about the financial.
They don't.
Don't girls always want to find a girl to be uglier than them.
Like, on to real stuff, I don't want my guy to get more bitches than me.
I don't.
I want you to chill out and praise me for being so gorgeous and beautiful.
Like, I'm not going to go for the guy who's prettier than me.
That just makes me feel insecure and weird.
Like, why are you so cute?
Please sit down.
You know what I'm saying?
That might be fine.
Maybe you're an outlier, but most women are chasing after the top 10.
Ugly girls, they're chasing after the top 10.
Yes.
There you go.
Here's the thing.
Average women don't want average men.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what we're saying.
You're right.
Well, let's say, like, a guy that's making, let's say, makes like six figures or just like a million dollars every year.
He's wanting to date down.
Or he's more willing to date down to it and he doesn't care about the girls.
Yeah, that's another component.
The guy doesn't care how much the girl makes herself.
Doesn't really care about how funny she is, doesn't really care about a lot of shit.
Does the coochie whop?
No.
But I would say that guys will tend to date down while girls are looking at the top 10, top 5% of men.
Hypergamy?
No.
No.
The app that like, like, oh, this is like the percent of men.
What does that mean when they say that?
Oh, I got standards.
Yeah, I got standards.
What do you mean when you say top?
How am I supposed to know what is the top 10% of men?
Six foot.
Okay, let me ask you.
Let me ask you a question.
Have you ever been on the dating app in the past?
Okay, here's another question.
What percentage of men would you say you find physically attractive?
Percentage.
Yeah.
On a day-to-day basis, 20%.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
Okay.
Lauren, what about you?
Let's say on that on Tinder or on Bumble or Hinge, if you're swiping on guys, what percentage of men would you say you swipe yes on?
Very few.
What percentage?
I don't know.
One in seven, maybe.
Okay.
One in okay, so what is it?
15% of 20% by the same type of shit.
Tiffany, what about you?
What percentage of here into the microphone, please?
Probably like less than 10%.
Less than 10% of men you find attractive.
They're not different stuff, like their bio, what they wrote, if their grammar is good.
If they got filters, it's a no-go.
Okay.
If they have filters, it's a no-go.
Yeah.
No man should have no filters on no dating app.
Do you have filters on them?
I don't.
You have one filter.
How many of you have filters?
But if it's overly dramatic where your eyes are.
But okay, so you swipe on less than you swipe yes on less than 10% of men.
Okay, what about you?
I would say like a 10%.
10%.
I'm on stage.
I'm telling you, like at the beginning, she was like.
Just answer a question.
Hold on.
If that guy got that Riz, you can't get that Riz through a fucking profile.
So we might have rated higher because we are meeting somebody in person.
What percentage of men have game?
I'd say there's less men who have game than there are good-looking men.
So if you're looking at personality, you're looking at Riz.
Okay, but just off appearance, just off appearance.
On dating apps, what percentage of men do you swipe yes on?
15%.
That's so nice.
So you guys just essentially, I said women are chasing after the top 10 or 20% of men.
All of you just admitted that you find somewhere between what, 10 and 20% of men attractive.
She doesn't even have a dating app.
And I don't be on there.
But whether it's in person, whether it's I find men or people more attractive in person.
Like, hands down.
That's totally fine.
That's not the point.
The other 90% doesn't get no attention.
Is that the point?
Okay, here's the point I'm trying to make.
If you're chasing after a guy who is higher up than you, you're not going to be able to secure commitment from him, which is getting back to our original thing.
If you're chasing a guy of a certain status, certain physical attractiveness, certain finances, you're probably not going to be able to secure commitment from him because you are, frankly, most likely shooting out of your league.
Here's the thing, right?
Men, we will sleep with women that we have no intention of committing to.
Well, we can sleep, like, you have to remember there's a difference between sexual attraction and relationship attraction.
So we can sleep with a girl, but we would never commit to her.
So here's the thing: you can secure, you're able to secure sex from men who are either socioeconomically or physically attractive that are higher, that are more attractive than you.
They'll never commit to you, but you can get sex from them.
So that answers your question about in your age range why you can't find commitment.
Do you have any guys in the friend zone?
I had no questions about commitment.
No, you made a statement about commitment.
Do you have any guys in your friend zone?
No.
Because they would commit to you, but you don't find them attractive.
And that is the major crux of modern dating.
You definitely said no, you're not a friend.
The way that you made me forget my original question is disturbing.
What was your question?
I mean, I forget.
Okay, well, you forget.
Apparently, I forget, but I mean, you were talking about commitment.
You said it was difficult for me.
No, because I said, are you saying, so the other, my question personally was like, sorry, what are you saying about the 10%?
Are you saying the 90% get no attention from women or that?
I'd never say anything about commitment.
I said, why are you bringing up this 10% of men?
So the other 80%, it's not that they get no attention from women, but I can give you this statistic.
One in three men in the past year, they're either virgins or they've not had sex in the past year.
One in three men.
You definitely can't make that same statement about women.
Women are having, more women are having sex than men are.
I feel like.
Lauren seems to, I don't know if you're making it, you disagree or.
No, no, I'm just like, sorry.
Yeah.
I was a little slow on the uptake there.
I'm like, wait, how's my mom?
So we can, Eric, can you pull up the infographic just so we can show it?
But the Washington Post released this in 2018.
In 2018, I think it was at 28%.
Yeah, 28% of men in the past year report either they're either virgin or they've not had sex once in the past year.
Eric, let me know when you have it.
It's not on the other screen.
No, no, no, it's in the info.
You have to pull it up from the infographics.
Yeah, yeah, you have to open up the that thing.
Yeah, if you can just drag it over.
We'll get that up in just a sec.
But Sophia, does that?
I mean, it makes sense, but I mean, it just seems to not correspond with my question.
So wait, what is your question?
I said, what are you saying?
That the 90% of guys are ignored.
That's what I was like.
Why are you bringing up 10%?
What about 10%?
What about the other 90% of men?
So those women shoot for the 10%.
That's the problem.
But it's like we are only addressed in a 10% and then the other 90%.
So that we're unfulfilled.
Yeah, they get bad.
That seems so theoretical to me.
It just doesn't.
I want to see some numbers.
I see ugly discipline girls.
I feel like not everybody.
Not every girl.
They'd be so bummed.
Every girl has that type of standard that you're trying to portray.
Eric, you can pull up, it's called men less sex, and then also pull up OKC, OKC1, OKC2.
And then also OKC Message.
And then also pull up the one that's right next to OKC Message.
It's just like screenshot 2019.
Let me know when you have that ready to go.
So wait, repeat what were you saying?
Sorry there, Sophia.
Go ahead.
I said I don't think every girl goes for the 10%.
No, not every girl.
These seem like very generalized numbers of those girls.
What percent of all the girls are going for 10%?
It's the Pareto principle.
So it's 80% of women are chasing after the top 10, top 20% of them.
Okay.
Now we're getting into something.
Eric, do you have, go ahead, pull it up?
Okay, so this is from the Washington Post.
The most recent is from 2018.
Young men are driving the decline in sex.
So this is the share of men and women between ages 18 and 30 reporting no sex in the past year.
So in 2018, there's a 10% difference between women and men.
I suspect in the past four years, that number's risen to, I mean, one in three.
Isn't that before COVID?
This is before COVID, so it's probably much worse now.
C, before COVID.
Which means, I don't know about that.
I don't know because everyone's been locked in the house, you know?
So why don't you all retest that before we say that it was just me.
Everyone's been locked in the house.
So a woman's going to sit there and they're going to have their dude come to them.
It's even worse now because more people have been introduced to online dating.
Yeah.
And there's OnlyFans now and more guys.
More men are checking out of the dating marketplace because they're.
As you said before, it's going to be more successful if you meet them in person rather than a dating.
Yeah, but you can't meet them in person because you're locked in your house.
I mean, yeah, but I mean, it's 2022 now.
I mean, in 2021, you're locked in your house.
Okay.
The point is, is that one in three men in the past year between the ages of 18 and 30 are either virgins or have never or have not had any sex.
And there's a discrepancy there.
So what that suggests to me is that there's a larger portion of women sleeping with a smaller pool of men.
I can see that.
Everybody take it there.
So those men have no incentive.
Those men have no incentive to commit because they have, why would they?
They have such an abundance of choice.
So we're seeing a decline in marriage.
But don't you think about that?
Did they add that into the statistic?
Did you hear me?
I'm trying to find the overarching.
Did they add that into the statistic?
Like from 2018, when were gay rights passed?
Because couldn't you put that into there?
Like, okay, well, now there's a lot more people that are openly gay and they're going to go mess with girls or boys and it's not going to be the same ratio of men to women messing with each other.
I mean, Eric, can you pull up the thing again?
So it's 1989, 1998, 2008.
So this is over the course of almost 30 years or 30 years at this point.
So, I mean, I assume this is heterosexual couples, but I mean, that's why men don't get laid because the girls in the house, they best friend, having fun.
I'm sorry.
Actually, isn't it?
Aren't there much more, aren't there far more gay men than there were lesbian women?
I'm pretty sure.
Eric, can you go to the middle of the middle of each other's ding away?
All right.
So also, let's look at this.
So, oh, we should have had the.
Can you go to the other one?
Oh, actually, shit.
Can you go back?
Sorry.
My bad.
I fucked that up.
No, go back, go back.
It takes a special kind of stupid to talk about science on a podcast.
What?
Wait, what'd you say?
You're literally just asking for statistics.
You're asking for the proof.
I am.
I'm like really interested in what you're talking about.
So I'm sorry.
That was offhand.
That was not at you, Brian.
All right.
Can you relay the facts?
Yes.
Okay.
So this is from OKCupid.
This is how men rate women in terms of physical attractiveness.
So that's a bell curve there, right?
That's pretty decent distribution.
Go to the next one, Eric.
That's scuffed.
Yeah, but now StreamYard.
Okay, well, this is how women rate men.
So women are much harsher judges.
What are those?
What are those blocks?
What do you mean by that?
F11, F11.
Very unattractive, and only a few percent were attracted.
What this is showing is that women are much harsher judges of attractiveness.
Eric, can you go to the next one?
My bad.
And then this is another interesting one.
So the light blue is male recipients.
The dark blue is female recipients.
This is number of messages received versus the recipient's attractiveness.
So you'll note that the most attractive men, if you look at the very far right of that graph, the most attractive men receive about the same messages as like a medium attractiveness woman.
So that's the playing field.
Doesn't more messages equal less attractive?
More messages?
What?
More messages received.
Yeah, doesn't that mean more people want to deal if they're not?
The more messages you receive.
Yeah, the more attractive you are, probably the more messages that you're going to receive.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay, let's do a super chat.
I get it.
I actually had like, oh, all from one person.
That would be unattractive.
Yeah, it would be unattractive.
All right, let's see here.
We got, did I get this one?
George?
Yeah, you did.
On Deveros.
Ah, thank you.
Davon Jackson with the $10 Super Chat.
What if you don't want the guy to commit equals a woman that will wonder why she's single?
Oh, wait.
I already.
Dayvon Jackson, thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
You're confusing yourself.
This is the Apex fallacy.
Just because the top 10% of men have most of the options, that directly means that most men have little to no options.
Silly.
Sophia.
Silly, Sophia.
I'm still looking for the point of that statement.
Which one?
My statement or his?
I just want to know what do you mean by that?
Explain it.
Oh, Lily, did you want to come in?
The fault is that.
Yes.
Lily, explain.
Into the mic.
Into the mic, Lily.
Okay, so the top 10% have a wider playing field because, you know, most women who we have higher standards, so we want to go for the top 10%.
And men.
Lily.
Yes.
Sorry, sorry.
So we want to go for the top 10% so they have wider options because they have so many people coming for them.
But then that means that the other 90, 80% don't have as many options and they're more likely to not get as much, like as many women interested in them.
What's the problem?
Like we have higher standards than men do, basically.
I think that they're trying to say the man because a lot of men aren't dating or having sex.
Is that the problem?
That is a problem.
Well, it's a problem.
And I would also say it's a problem for women because they're not finding long-term relationships.
Men are, you often hear the complaint from women is men don't want to commit.
You often hear that as a complaint.
So.
Yeah.
Women want to commit.
To the right one.
If you want to commit, don't go to the top 10%.
Don't go for that.
That's basically what they're saying.
That's what I learned.
They're telling you to settle.
If you're allowed to settle.
It's not.
It's looking at the moment.
It's not settling.
It's not deeper than your sexual desires, basically.
Look for something else and not.
But a man isn't doing that.
But okay, here's the thing.
A man is never doing that.
So why do we have to do that?
I mean, what is it doing?
Men?
We don't settle?
Let's be for real.
I mean, you might have to.
No, let's be fucking for real.
Come on.
No.
You're settling for a bad girl?
Come on.
No, you're not.
I mean, there's people that, no.
Wrong answer.
everyone's beautiful but i don't think that a man ever had to settle because i mean it's let's be for real I mean, women typically date a crossing.
I understand that y'all are saying that we have higher standards.
Obviously, that means that we're doing way more standards higher.
Like, maybe I'm thinking about how I want this to affect me and that and third.
How many men are really sitting there, like, oh, I want to go meet this woman and have babies with her?
I don't know, like, half.
I've never met like a real guy that was like, oh, I just, I just want to have a family and I just want to see what our babies would look like.
No, like, that's not the only thing they're focused on.
I'm going to stop.
I'm going to say, right.
I'm going to say that you're probably going to look at, you're most likely looking at like boys.
Okay.
You know what I mean?
Like, just like guys or just like out at parties or who you see in Atta Vista.
But I would say, with like my circle, all we want is a wife with children.
I don't know.
I've been very far across the world and none of them were just like, oh, well, I guess it's just funny because I'm not afraid of that.
You have to risk on the world.
I've never had anyone have a complaint about my looks and like the problems with our children and what they could look like.
Like, I don't know.
There are a lot of men who want families.
Well, of course.
I know that, but like, I don't think they're settling for a woman because there's so many beautiful aspects.
And every single woman I even see here, this is like such a good example.
Like, we all look extremely different, but we're all hella bad.
You know what I'm saying?
So if you were to say that you're settling for one of us, I can't even hear what that's saying because I'm talking still.
I'm dead.
You don't care.
Next question.
I don't think men settle, though.
I really don't.
I really don't.
I feel like.
Maybe you settle because you just simply could not get that girl that you really wanted.
She was actually in the top 10% and you just couldn't fit it.
Why are we talking about numbers?
Because he brought up the business.
That's kind of desperate.
Wait, what numbers?
what's like why are you like desperate why What do you mean desperate?
I don't know.
I'm just like, where is this conversation going?
Have everyone knows.
Just having a conversation.
Have everyone on the panel rate you.
Let's give them one to ten.
And see if they're higher.
Well, can I'm ask you a question?
I'm so hurt.
Hold on.
Let me.
Who?
Who's hurt?
You?
No, I'm hurt for the 90%.
Oh, you're hurting for the men out there.
I don't feel like that.
Like, what happened to the 90s?
Why are they getting no swipes?
Because women are fairly harsh judges of physical appearance.
The dating apps are primarily about physical appearance.
And women also, aside from just physical appearance, women just typically have higher standards than more standards.
They have more standards.
Women are much pickier than men, generally speaking.
I don't think that's like with, yeah, like as we said, like the top three, like if you fill those top three.
Yeah, we don't ask for pretty much.
How much women can do that?
We don't ask for much.
Yeah, we ask for very little.
So then how are you settling?
Come on, be for real with yourself.
Maybe it was you that made yourself go down lower and now you're like, oh, I'm so much better than this.
And now you call it settling, but really that's where you were when you met that person.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you the proof of how guys, I don't know if it's so much settling, but they simp.
Oh, yeah.
Simping and settling is two different things.
I mean, but that's evidence.
Like, they're doing all this extra shit just to get the girl.
That's so settling.
That's simping.
Simping is like, oh, I'll do anything for this girl that I praise.
And then settling is, oh my God, I can't believe I'm stuck with this.
You know what I'm saying?
If you're saying that, you're probably not going to be with them.
Well, yeah, but if a man settles, then.
Hold on, let's just.
I want to come back to what Sophia said.
Actually, sorry, Zach, did you want to.
Hey, semesh.
Oh, never mind.
But okay, so you were upset with the number thing, right?
Sophia?
You're upset with the numbers?
No, was I upset with the numbers?
I was saying, what does, like, I'm like, I was saying, what does the numbers have to do with love?
Because you're.
Let me ask you what I was asking.
Okay, sure.
Hold on.
Let me ask you a question, Sophia.
How tall are you?
What do I look like?
I'm 5'4.
Are you 5'4?
Around there.
Okay.
What's your actual height?
I'm 5'2.
Okay.
Do you have a height preference for men?
No.
I'd rather them be taller than me because I'm short.
Okay, so you have a height preference.
I'll give you that.
I mean, hold on.
Height is a literal numerical measurement.
You have a height preference.
You want them to be at least taller than you.
Now, it's not hard for most men to do that because you're only 5'2.
But you want to talk about numerical measurements.
Most, a lot of women have a height preference.
I've said that a bunch of times.
Oh, I would never date anyone shorter than me.
But I've definitely taken the time out of my life to talk to somebody that was shorter than me.
And that is so weird considering the fact that I'm a midget.
Like, I'm 4'11 ⁇ .
Like, let's really sit here and think about it.
Yeah, you're 4'11.
I was like, so some part of that personality had to overcome.
I know that has nothing to do with it.
Okay, let's go around the table on this.
Lily, how tall are you?
I'm 5'5.
Do you have a height preference?
Yeah.
What is it?
I'd prefer someone to be like six foot and over.
Six foot or okay.
Tiffany, what about you?
I'm 5'7 ⁇ .
As long as they're 5'7 and up, I'm 5'7.
Okay.
Lauren, any height preference?
Does it matter to you?
Not that much.
I mean, I'm only 5'4 and a half, so it's not hard for most guys.
Isn't Kevin Hart like that?
Would you date him?
What?
Isn't Kevin Hart like that tall?
Am I dragging it?
Your ideal man would just either be your height or six foot or and above.
Like your height or above.
Yeah, my height or above.
Across the panel.
Your height and above.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's be fucking 40.
Okay.
So I would say, generally speaking, I think if you ask most women, most women will say they have six foot or at the very least, they want the guy to be taller than them.
They have a high preference.
You often say, well, if I'm wearing heels, he's okay.
If I'm 5'7, he's gotta be 3-inch heels.
He's gotta be 5'10 or taller.
And then they're gonna start preferring, like, the taller typically, the better.
Here's the thing, though.
Only 15% of men in the U.S. are six feet or above.
What percentage of women do you think want a guy that's six feet or taller?
I would say 90.
Here's the thing: I would say it's not all women, but I would say more than 15% of women want a guy that's six feet or taller.
Probably more than 50%.
Let's be for real.
But there's only 15% of men in the U.S. who are six feet or taller.
Tough luck.
That's just one standard that most women have to do.
Okay, but does your confidence make you taller?
Because I doubt anyone's ever really.
I mean, if you talk.
Doesn't confidence make you taller.
I'm telling you.
No, have you never talked to someone?
I'm sitting on a fat foot, Guff.
You could sit here and say, hey, you met me sitting down and you were talking to me.
Your first thought is, oh, you're 4'11?
No.
No, it's not, right?
Wait, what?
Repeat that?
I could be sitting down and you meet me and you're like, your first thought isn't, she's 4'11.
She's really short.
Because no, I have a lot to say and I'm very confident.
And I'm gonna sit up and I'm gonna make myself look bigger in a room.
You know what I'm saying?
No, you look 4'11.
Well, now because you saw me standing in front of you.
I don't know.
I'm assessing your limbs.
But you're not gonna say 4'11.
I'm gonna say 5'4.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's already, what, five inches taller than me?
You know what I'm saying?
I know what you're saying.
I know what you're saying.
Thank you.
I know what you're saying.
I appreciate it.
I got you.
I got you.
Okay.
Sophia, does that answer your question?
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Blink twice if you're.
Okay.
Oh, but she did.
Yeah, but I guess so, like, how do we reconcile that only 15% of men are six feet plus, but more than 15% of women want a guy who's six feet or above?
Either you're going to share a guy who's tall, or you're going to be a cat lady.
Whoa.
Right?
Are those the options?
Listen here, man.
They're still ugly tall people.
Right, so that's even worse.
That makes it even worse.
No, because now you're fine because you're tall.
There's definitely girls that think like that.
They're like, oh my God, he's so tall.
Have you looked at his face?
He's like a goofy dude.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, you got to start looking at the other side.
So then maybe the 10% is just the tall guys.
And the rest of them are just average men that look pretty fine.
They're just like five, eight.
You know what I'm saying?
All right, we're going to move on to the next super chat here.
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All right, we have, let's see, Shane, thank you for the $10 Super Chat, man.
What Brian is trying to say is that since all the women are shooting for the top men, the top men have all the options, so they have no incentive to commit to you.
I think I actually said this like right as you right as you super chatted it.
Great minds think alike, I guess.
Dave on Jackson, thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
No, the problem is y'all complain about the men that won't commit to you and extrapolate that view to all men.
Men understand it is what it is, and they have to improve themselves to get women.
Word?
Yeah.
Word.
Yeah, see, we gotta self-improve.
We gotta self-improve.
Okay.
Two tens at the table, by the way.
Okay.
George Antaveris with the $10 Super Chat.
Bring up the calculator.
The I Got Standards.
Yeah.
Should we?
I don't know.
I don't know if we.
Do we?
I don't know.
I think we've made it.
You know what?
Let's if you guys put in your references into this website or into this app or website or whatever, you'll find that like it's usually around like 1% of men you're looking at.
Okay, let's do it.
You know what, though?
I've kind of like looked at it and the skewed.
I feel like it's just like the age automatically, because like let's be real here.
Most people are going to like date within like a few years up or down.
So like, okay, that the I GOT Standards thing factors in like if we have women on the show who are like 21, immediately we're going to remove like probably guys between 40 to 70.
That's a big percentage of people.
So that right away, I think they got to adjust, I got standards has to adjust it for like age or something.
I don't know.
We can potentially pull it up, but first, Eric, can you pull up that little cartoon thing?
It's sort of related.
I think you had it up before.
Yeah, okay.
So I'm so lonely.
This is from like a Sunday kids cartoon.
I don't know they're on Twitter.
There's some people you don't want to talk to.
So I'm so lonely, but you have all these suitors, right?
Do any of you relate to this at all?
I have.
Do you relate to it, Lily?
Yeah.
Okay, Tiffany.
Lauren?
Sophia?
Sometimes.
Sometimes.
Okay.
Zach, do you have any women that are like just, they're really ready to date you?
Like, they'd be so ready to date you, but you're just not interested.
Do you have any women like that?
Yeah, there's.
Oh, really?
Okay.
Okay.
Just be honest.
Just like in the pocket.
You know, you've got them in the pocket.
They're just friends or whatever, and they're like, I really want to date you.
I mean, and they're in the pocket.
I would say they don't communicate that very well, but it's either usually that I don't.
I don't really consider myself to be like a guy to accept an offer like that if they're just like all about me and they don't really know me.
Okay.
How do you know that?
Because like most men, we don't.
We don't have that.
We don't have like a line of women.
So you don't have a line of women, Brian.
No.
I don't.
I don't have a line of women.
Is that surprising to you?
I don't know.
You have literally bad bitches on here like two times a week, every day.
None of them?
Come on.
What's the percent?
Give me a percent.
Yeah, but I mean, let's not factor in.
Like, that's not a factor.
Okay.
That's really not a factor.
And no, I'm like, no, no, no, no.
But no, most men do not have, I'd say even really good looking men, they don't have like a line of women that are in the friend zone that they're like kind of like, no, no, no.
Only the goers are in the friend zone.
The goers?
What's that?
They feel like they've seen them too often.
Or they feel like they get around, you know?
You know what I'm saying, though?
Sort of.
And I feel like the girls that really repress something like that usually...
Eric, can you pull up in the infographics window, can you pull up...
I'm trying to think.
There's...
Did you get the screenshot 2019 one?
It should be right next to OKC Message MSG.
yeah can you just uh mouse wheel up um so this is oh wait there's another one too um So this is kind of hypergamy.
So women are the sexual selectors.
You have five women.
If you take those five women, they're all going to be chasing after one of the men.
They all want the same guy.
Whereas men, we would happily pair off with.
All five.
Yes.
But all the women are chasing after the one guy.
Generally, not always.
Maybe because those men are goers.
I'm just kidding.
Oh, sorry, Eric, can you pull up hypergamy too?
I think it's also there.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
So this is another chart.
On the left, whom men would happily partner with, and then on the right, whom women would happily partner with.
So this is kind of an illustration of what I was trying to get at here with the women are chasing out, huh?
Oh, I was just reacting.
My fault.
Yeah.
So.
I could see it now in visual form.
It's been visualized.
So now it makes perfect sense.
Right.
anyways anyways um we could do here we'll do the calculator for uh sophia and ayana Because they do the calculator.
Eric, can you do I got standardsbro.com?
Wow.
I don't.
We'll do that.
This is the setup.
Excuse me.
Oh, shit.
Eric with it.
Quick.
Okay, so scroll down just a little bit, Eric.
All right, so you're going to input.
You're going to input.
Here, we'll start with Ayana.
Okay, ideal man, age range.
20.
We could push it a little bit.
60.
20 to 60.
Okay.
Come on.
All right.
So you'll date a 60-year-old.
Five years away from retiring.
Perfect.
Any color, yeah, sure.
I don't really care how tall you are as long as you are.
Wait, hold on.
So 60.
Your ideal partner is 60.
Do you see yourself dating a 60-year-old?
This is the range.
Oh, my God.
What's wrong with that?
All right.
Get off my back.
Stop the challenge.
Okay.
So, here, tell us the age range.
Genuinely 60?
We'll put it 60.
Am I in love?
Maybe not.
Oh, my God.
But would I date you?
Probably.
Let's be fucking for real.
Just be realistic here.
Be realistic.
Minimum height.
Hold on.
Exclude bye-bye.
Hold on.
Exclude married.
Okay.
Excluded marriage.
Do you want us to exclude men who are married?
No.
It says, she's obviously trolling.
It says, what are your chances to find the man of your dreams?
The man of my dreams.
Okay, the man of the man of my dreams.
That shit better be low.
Say your ideal man.
Okay, he could definitely be 60.
I don't know.
All right, we're not doing with you.
No, just keep going.
Just keep going.
Ask me a new one.
Sorry, you're not being serious.
Income.
The minimum would.
I mean, I'm sorry, but I'm calling cap on the age then.
There's no way you're dating.
I'm calling cap on the age.
Why do you say that?
There's very, very, very entertaining old men that want to take you somewhere and show you something fun that you've never seen before.
Why would I not want to learn and become this new blossom?
What is the oldest person you've dated?
How old?
What's up?
You know what?
Oh, my God.
What's that one guy's name?
Oh, my God.
No, but.
Wait, Eric, while we're here, while we're here, just since we're talking to the 10, can you pull up the handsome male tab?
Look up a handsome 60-year-old man.
Handsome male.
Pull up the handsome male tab.
Look at that.
What?
Okay.
So.
Are you sure he looks great?
No, no, no.
These are just handsome men.
Okay, 45.
That's my mess.
I mean, Santa.
Yo, dude, Eric.
Yo, that shit.
Yo.
All right, so.
Yo, that shit.
Fuck it, Eric.
Yeah, 45 is fine.
Bro, that shit was hella.
That was monk of TOS, dude.
His fucking jeans were zipped down, bro.
Shit's monka TOS.
Oh, God.
Jesus Christ.
Yo, do you want to get a dude?
Let's see what it is.
20 to 45.
Are we?
Okay, put it back to the standards thing.
Get on more questions than this.
Just income, height, race, and age.
How funny are you?
Lily, we're gonna do it with you.
Lily, what's your age?
Idealistically, like for my age right now, I'm 20 to 30.
20 to 30, okay.
Exclude married.
Yeah.
Okay.
Race.
I would say any cup.
Yeah.
Okay.
Any race.
Minimum height.
I could do like 5'9.
Okay.
Alright.
How tall are you, by the way?
5'5.
Okay.
Exclude obese?
Yeah.
That's fine.
minimum income keep in mind i know you're in college now but like no i know how income works I'm not.
No, no, but I mean, think, like, I assume at this point, income is not a big factor for you in who you choose to date.
But like, assume for a life partner when they're in their stride.
Minimum income.
I would say 80k is good for minimum income.
Okay.
Go ahead, Eric.
Okay, one point.
Apparently that's 2% of men.
1.8% of men.
I love that.
Broaden your spectrum.
See, I think the thing with this thing, though, is that the age, like, that just fucking.
There has to be more questions to this.
They got to be able to put your age in it.
Wow.
Do some sort of.
All right, let's.
Tiffany, do you want to do it?
Delusion score.
No, I'm going to put it to 62.
Okay, we'll do it.
We'll do it.
All right.
Minimum age.
20.
20?
I dated a 20-year-old.
20 to 60.
You go there.
Any race.
Stop the cap.
Okay.
You can then check it out.
20 to 60.
Exclude married.
I'm just kidding.
That'll stop them.
Okay, race?
Any.
Okay, minimum height?
I would say 5'5 is the shortest.
Ideal man, huh?
Okay.
Ideal.
Exclude obese.
Yeah.
Okay, minimum income.
Oh, gosh.
You're in Texas, right?
I know.
I would say 43,000.
All right.
That's pretty reasonable.
Wow, all right.
45, I guess.
Okay, I guess is it only in five?
Yeah, it's only that's fine.
We'll do 45.
You might have a chance.
All right.
You might have a chance to take the first night.
8.4% of the U.S. male population.
Maybe.
Okay.
Score.
That's the highest score.
It's the same top 10 that you were referring to about Tinder?
Same top 10?
What?
Is this the same 10% that you're referring to on Tinder?
What do you...
She took you back.
Sophia, what do you...
I'm not sure.
This is the same 10% of men in general.
I mean, typically, yeah.
We're talking about guys that are that height.
So all these girls are technically agreeing with what he said.
Well, no, this doesn't even factor in physical attractiveness.
Oh, that's even worse.
Lauren, do you want to do it?
Okay, we'll do it for I think this is a bit inaccurate.
I'm not going to like, I think there's, it needs to be revised.
I think it needs to be revised.
They need to do something with the age thing because I think that has to be some sort of factor there.
But go ahead, Lauren.
Okay.
29 to 55.
Oops.
And any race.
Minimum height, 5'7.
Minimum income.
You're living in California.
I know.
Trust me.
I got my own money.
So let's say 50,000.
Go ahead.
Oh, you didn't?
No.
Exclude obese?
Oh, no, they can be fried.
I don't care.
Oh, Eric, go back.
So uncheck.
Fat guys need to be able to do that.
Did you do race?
Yeah, exclude married, right?
Exclude married.
Okay, go ahead.
11.6%.
Okay, there you go.
You know what?
Just to test it out, Eric, can you go back?
Max out everything.
So do minimum income lowest.
Age everything.
Minimum height lowest.
Really, okay.
Can you do yours?
Go ahead.
Well, this is for men, so we're not, me and Zach are not gay.
Okay, so I mean, okay, so the probability is 100.
So I guess, Eric, put the age down to 60.
I'm just curious.
Okay, there's something.
Yeah, that's flawed.
Select only white.
Next, let's put it to 40.
Okay.
Yeah, this is fucking.
Yeah, this thing's scuffed.
I always knew it was fucking, there's something.
What?
what would be minimum height here put it to like uh no put it to five feet Do minimum income.
Just do the first one.
10K, sure.
Let's see that.
There's something.
A hope.
Shit.
Okay, I don't know what's going on there, but like, yeah, this thing's scuffed for sure.
Major scuffed.
Okay, fuck it.
It's not reliable.
There's no.
I mean, there's no point.
Okay.
Let's think here, Sophia.
Okay.
Sophia the first.
The first?
I feel like I interrupted this podcast.
No, you're good.
You're chilling.
No, come back to me.
Don't even trip.
Don't even trip.
You're chilling.
You're chilling.
Okay.
I can't see that.
I want to open it up to you guys here.
Is there something dating related that you guys want to get off your chest?
Maybe questions for us.
Yeah, either a question for the panel, something, maybe you have a question, maybe something that frustrates you about dating, something that bothers you about dating, about men.
Men are pissing you off in some way.
let us know and let's start with sophia Are women too emotional?
Okay, so you're asking us, are women too emotional?
For you to deal with?
Does it overwhelm you?
I would say I want my woman to be emotional.
But if she's not able to handle her emotions, that's another question.
She's like, oh, you didn't intend to be a little bit more.
Everything's a problem.
Her life's so hard, she's constantly complaining about it.
She's not able to handle life itself.
Okay, what if she's handling life great?
But when it comes to you, she just, she could point out where you're lacking.
How does that make you feel?
I don't know if that's related to emotional.
It's not, but.
Is it not?
Because I literally sit there in my head, like, oh my God, he didn't touch me because this.
And now I'm going to go.
I think that's pretty bad.
I think that's pretty bad.
If a girl is like...
If she is able to communicate to me, like, hey, I want you to do this.
Or like, hey, like, I want you to focus on doing this better or anything.
I would take that because I like communicating.
Yeah.
Like, oh, shit.
Like, I need to check myself kind of thing.
Because living single and like living your everyday life, you don't really get checked that often.
You kind of just get praised by your friends.
Like, oh, yeah, go you, go do you.
But like when someone keeps you accountable, I think that's something that everyone needs to do.
I guess it depends.
But like, I'm going to be able to do that.
Can you give us a lot of time?
It's time to be held accountable.
Can you give us an example?
I did.
What's an example?
Like, reiterate the question, please.
Well, you said, do you dislike it when a woman tells you how you can improve?
Is that like, basically, like, if she's in her feelings and she says that you're not necessarily talking to her what you think is a bad way, but she took it this way because she has all these emotions.
She's like, okay, he said.
He said, okay, let's say, he said I was 9 out of 10.
So what about that 1%?
Now I'm thinking about this 1% because I'm so negative.
How does that portray onto you?
What do you think?
You're like, oh my God, I said that you were 9 out of 10, but that's a good idea.
So you're like, what type of girl is that?
Do you hate that type of girl?
I feel like.
So you're upset at him for not rating you a 10?
Yeah, sure.
I don't know.
That's just an example.
That's why I wasn't good.
Did you ask him to rate you?
Because as a guy, I would not.
I would never rate my girlfriend.
I would never rate my girlfriend.
I would not be so worried.
I should automatically find one.
Yeah, I would not be rating a girl.
But I feel like guys kind of are oblivious sometimes.
They'll be like, no, yeah.
So you're saying.
In a club, like 9 out of 10, you're definitely the baddest.
Like, I was trying to give you a compliment, but you took it back-handed.
I'm pretty good rating.
And I'd be pretty good.
I'd be pretty pretty satisfied, but as the baddest bitch in the club, I don't think you'd be sad.
Oh, because that's you.
You're the baddest.
Okay.
I don't even know how this came from, that question.
Are women too emotional?
Are women too emotional?
I think it's more of a question if a woman's not emotional.
Give me a robot.
You want a robot?
Give me a robot.
Give me a robot.
I don't think you want a robot.
That's what you're doing.
What's that?
Like, I'll only open up to like a bunch of people.
Is OnlyFans a deal breaker in her bio?
Yeah.
Do you have OnlyFans?
No.
I'm just wondering.
Yeah, it's a no-go for sure.
That's a breaker.
For most men, yes.
You get to try it out.
Robot.
What if you're making a lot of money?
I was like, what about business men?
Here's the thing: is that women don't share their resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
So, like, y'all don't.
Generally speaking, like, women don't spoil men the same way that men spoil women.
Generally speaking.
Okay.
Generally speaking, like, I've never had a girl offer to take me on a trip.
Most women won't even, like, offer to pay for a first date.
Like, that shit.
I'm going to invite you on the trip.
I'm just going to go pay for it.
Exactly.
Like, what are you?
But, like, also, most men, like, we don't, if we have our own money, like, the fact that you make a lot of money really isn't, like, it doesn't.
I don't think that's a deal breaker.
We don't care.
They're like, oh my God, my wife is a breadwinner, and now I'm a little bit bitch.
I feel like, okay, let's say, okay, if both, if both parties are, if both parties were to be bringing in money, like, I feel like it'd be good to know that your woman is also accountable of her own money and is able to inquire her own things.
I feel like that's a plus in a woman if she's able to bring in her own money.
Yeah, but we also don't care if she makes a lot of money.
We don't care at all.
Here's the thing.
But she makes more money than you get her tamped.
Here's the thing.
Just enough to cover her needs then.
Like, to be independent.
That's fine.
Okay.
Yeah, but we don't really care if she's making six figures or something crazy like that.
We honestly just care about just like bringing peace into our lives, being supportive, and also just being attractive and not embarrassing us.
Yeah, that's a big one.
Yeah, that's a really big one.
I would say that when it comes to money, A really successful guy, a guy who's an attorney, a guy who's a doctor, a guy who's just making a ton of money, he'll date a girl who works at McDonald's.
A woman who's an attorney, a female doctor.
Never.
She's not going to date a guy who works at her.
I don't need no man for this.
Never.
She's high-ranking.
The thing is, is that as men start to make more money, typically their options, their pool opens up.
Whereas as women start becoming higher earners, actually their pool starts to shrink.
What if their money, like, what if the way that they make the most money is off of OnlyFans and they don't make that much money in the corporate business?
Because that wasn't a good thing.
Really good friend.
Like, men were always the breadwinners.
So it don't matter.
So it's like, of course, it doesn't matter to you because it's never been, oh, we need women to have money so that we can date them.
Like, it's never been a thing.
But for a woman, the man was supposed to be the provider back in the day.
Like, she was looking for someone to take care of her.
So, of course, a woman's going to instinctively think like that.
Because that's.
Yeah.
Exactly.
You mentioned instinctively, and that's, you're 100% correct.
It's evolution.
Because as we evolved, men were the, we did provisioning.
We were the providers.
We did provisioning.
We did protection.
So it's sort of, it's, there's a buying.
You guys were forced into doing that.
What's up?
Y'all definitely.
You guys might have been forced into doing that.
I mean, I think it's.
It doesn't mean you have to do that.
If my dad forced me to make a lot of money, I would not complain.
Right, but you're saying you're being forced to provide for a woman.
No, we are instinctively wanting to.
And the most annoying thing is when a girl says, oh, I make my own money.
I don't need no man.
It's like, that's a big turnoff for a guy.
Oh, you don't need me.
Someone's like, I thought that was a turnover.
I don't need you either.
I just want to say that's a good family with that.
You don't like when a girl doesn't need your money when she has her own money?
I don't need your money on a turnover.
It's not.
It's not a negative, but like it's not.
She maybe rubs in your face.
That's a turn off.
So she's like, oh, my God, I am.
Okay, but hold on.
Let me finish, though.
Let me finish.
It's not necessarily a negative if a woman makes money, but it's not like we genuinely, like, it's very low on the totem pole in terms of what makes a woman attractive.
Whereas like a woman might look at a guy who's like a doctor or an attorney or someone who's making good money, and that will make him more attractive.
For men, it really, it doesn't make you more attractive.
And I would also say that for women to succeed in the corporate world, you need to take on certain personality traits that are typically going to be a bit more masculine.
And you're going to probably not be viewed as attractive because of that.
Yeah.
Women are usually pretty agreeable when it comes to negotiations or talking money or being business-like.
But then the top earning women are very.
Standing in their place.
Yeah.
Because what are you talking about?
Yeah, they're very disagreeable and they take on that dominant role.
I'm so masculine.
You're so scared of me.
I don't know.
But most men want feminine women.
But a man that really wants a feminine woman will bring the feminine woman out of a masculine one.
I'm telling you.
No, that's so true.
That's not how that works.
If a strong man came up to me and was like, shut the fuck up.
You're talking too much.
I'd be like, maybe I should think about how much I was talking.
You know what I'm saying?
We don't want to have to check you, though.
Okay.
We want you to come.
Okay, but I'm trying to be successful.
Maybe I'm not trying to think about what a man wants.
That's totally fine.
That's totally fine.
But if you do have that very domineering, strong-headed, headstrong personality.
Find a stronger man.
The stronger man's not going to want you.
He's not going to want to deal with that.
You're going to need a guy that's so dominant that he's almost abusive.
No, because if a guy just holds him, don't.
Because if a guy holds himself a certain way, you're going to have a respect for him where you want to be softer and you want to act like that submissive little whatever you call it.
But see, that's you're talking about conditional femininity.
Yeah.
So you're only in the work business.
If I'm sitting here like, oh, yeah, I guess I'll take $16 an hour.
That's going to go very well for me.
Whether what when I could just come up to you and be like, no, I think I deserve $25 an hour and this is why.
Like, that's going to get me more money.
Maybe it won't give me a gigantic range of men that want me in a swimming pool.
But fuck the swimming pool.
What can you handle?
You know?
Hey, that's your partner.
That's totally fine.
That's totally fine.
But there's many women that think like that.
Be ambitious.
That's fine.
But don't be crying at 40 that you don't have no man.
I wouldn't.
But if you're bringing that same sort of attitude to the relationship, it could come to the detriment of the relationship.
It might be harder for you to secure a guy.
Yeah.
Because men, we don't want loud, boisterous.
Yeah.
We don't want that.
We want calm.
We want peace.
We don't want to contend with a woman.
We don't want to contend with our girlfriend.
I mean, why?
It should be a group thing.
Like, you guys should be going together.
Why does it have to be so, oh, we're butting heads because you're speaking your opinion.
Highly ambitious and successful career women tend to be more disagreeable.
Yeah.
You said that.
And that's fine.
That's why it's fine.
That's totally fine.
Okay, okay.
I see.
That's totally fine.
Yeah.
Like, get your money.
I don't think that those women are necessarily going to be lonely until they're 40.
I mean, when they're 40, I don't think they're necessarily going to be lonely.
Like, I mean, she might have to, just how a man is going to have to build himself up for a woman.
Maybe, just maybe, she might have to tone it back just a tad bit to find a guy that can understand that she's actually soft, but she's just making sure she gets what she needs because she hasn't had that man to do it for her or whatever the fuck you want to call it.
Well, yeah, I mean, and then there's men that are so naive and slow that they think that she's acting like this because she's just, she thinks she's better than everybody or whatever the case may be.
It's like, no, she's acting like this because she, she maybe was raised by a group of women, right?
Who have to be strong and independent and have to work hard for themselves and they have to say what they need or what they want.
And if you're going to sit here and base it off me because I wasn't built up in a fucking two-parent home with a man and a woman, like, I don't know.
There's so many scenarios where it's just a single parent home and she grew up with all her women and they were just talking.
Okay, all right, okay.
But do you see what I'm saying, though?
No or yes?
Yes, a lot of hypotheticals.
Yeah, like if you're raised around like in a single single parent household, you're definitely not going to be wanting that.
Like that connection with a man in the middle.
I mean, statistically, yeah.
They're talking about like a more generalized like everything's so generalized.
Let's let's go 4D.
We're not just gonna Sophia.
I'm not gonna just extrapolate.
I'm not gonna extrapolate the outliers to make up for the okay.
So her initial question, just to bring it back, is would you date a girl who did OF?
This is in response to George's.
Well, actually, no, sorry, let me get this.
George says an OF is a no-go for me.
So for most men, that's probably a pretty big deal breaker, although there's a lot of simps out there that will tolerate a lot.
I mean, hence why there's so many men paying for OnlyFans.
But for me, I would say if she's, if all her stuff is solo, it's not necessarily a deal breaker.
But the big thing is, is like she's communicating with men on there.
And it's like this sort of, I don't know, it's kind of a, it's basically kind of to some degree cheating in a way.
Yeah.
Because there's like that communication factor.
If she was just posting solo content and there was no communication, I mean, that's how most of these girls on OF make money is by talking to the dudes.
If she had any content with another guy, no.
That's a no-go.
Solo content, probably okay.
For me.
Maybe.
For me.
But I think even for a lot of guys, even if it's just strictly solo content, that's a no-go.
Yeah, because I think guys are just really, you know, what is it?
Skip the mic.
Oh, yeah, my bad.
Are really what?
They want that, they want it just to themselves.
What's that word call?
Exclusively them.
Like exclusively.
Territorial?
Yeah, territorial.
Just men are instinctively more territorial.
So if everyone's seeing what I have, then it kind of devalues it.
What was the question?
We're on the OnlyFans.
Sophia, are you thinking of starting an OnlyFans?
No.
Yeah.
Like, in a way, no sharing.
No.
Okay.
Final thought or question for the panel, Lauren.
Anything?
Final thought or question for the panel.
Or dating, anything dating related you want to get off your chest?
So there was a lot of discussion on both sides about women and men about how everyone's standards are unrealistic in different ways.
Sure.
Okay.
Like everyone across the board sounds like they got unrealistic standards.
So I just want to leave with a thought like give people a chance.
Like talk to people you wouldn't normally talk to and see where things go.
Try not to be so superficial in whatever ways you tend to be superficial.
That goes for men and women.
That's what I think.
What were some of the things on the guy's side of the table that you thought might have been unreasonable standards?
Or men in general?
Not unreasonable, just narrow.
So this whole thing about wanting to be with a virgin, like that's probably not super realistic.
We didn't say we wanted to be with a virgin.
It was just a question, like, would you consider it a turn on or a turn off if that was a good idea?
I misunderstood it.
Sounded like people wanted to be with the virgin or they don't want someone who wants to have a job or they don't want some, you know, like they don't want a woman with, like, you know, maybe she's a boss bitch at work, you know?
I don't know.
I'm just saying, like, expand your mind, everyone.
Because people have some great qualities once you look past whatever, I don't know.
Can you tilt your microphone down just slightly?
Just down.
Yeah, perfect.
It was kind of blocking you there.
Go ahead.
That's all.
Just lower your.
Try to keep an open mind.
Okay, that's all.
I like that.
I like that.
Okay.
Tiffany.
Anything?
I'm just saying to top off what Lauren just said.
Like, just be open.
Like, lower your expectations because you're not going to find no six-foot guy, tall, dark, and handsome, makes 80,000.
You might.
You're not.
I love that.
If you do, he's going to come with some other things.
It may not be the best kind of relationships.
Someone could be working for a while.
For the pure fishing pool.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
But just give people a chance.
I feel like you should just be on these dating apps to make a feeling.
Closer to the mic.
Instead of just trying to find a life partner.
Try to find a best friend first.
Okay.
All right.
I get on board with that.
I like that.
Lillian.
I would say, like, I've definitely given some people some chances, and I will say, like, there have been good benefits of it.
But sometimes it could be hard because when you do give a person a chance that you're not 100% meeting your preference, it's a little hard because there's that lack of, oh, I'm not completely attracted to this person because I really like have that preference.
And so that kind of creates an insecurity in the relationship and diminishes it in a way.
So it's like sometimes you need s people to meet those standards really you just know it won't work out for you in the long run.
Okay.
Yeah.
Ayana.
Yeah.
No thoughts.
I don't understand because we've moved from so many different things.
Okay.
Either final thought or do you have a question for the guys or the girls or something dating related that you want to get off your chest?
Nah.
Or onto your chest.
I'm straight.
Okay.
Nothing is on my chest.
You are by.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right, we got Shane.
We got, guys, get your last-minute super chats in here.
Men without the purpose of providing and provisioning for women will lead to more aggressive and abusive men.
Men without the purpose of providing for women.
Society works on raising strong men that are willing to provide and protect for women.
So yeah, Shane, I recommend you read the book, The Boy Crisis.
I interviewed Warren Farrell last week on Tuesday.
What's going on with men right now is basically there's a purpose void.
Men are finding are having difficulty finding a purpose because in the past their purpose would be to provide.
But and I think it's great that we have women in the workforce, but that's that's a big way that men used to find purpose was providing for a family.
But they're no longer that's kind of I mean.
So if it's not that, are you saying men have no purpose?
No, but like that, that is, that is, that is a major way that men found purpose.
Because, okay, so if a man has no money, this could be my question.
If a man has no money and they're in a relationship, what is he providing?
Protection?
Sure, yeah, protection.
What else?
Because I know that a woman is going to clean, take care of the kids, cook.
Really?
I mean, for the most part, that's like if you're thinking of a traditional way of how it's set up, if he is not making the money and the woman is doing all this stuff.
Oh, it usually is.
But there's only two things for a man and the woman has to be off.
I mean, she's probably not going to be a person.
She's probably not going to be doing all those things.
Well, she's not going to mess with her.
Not with a traditional woman.
She's not.
She's not going to be a traditional woman.
True.
I feel like also, in response to that, like comment, like some men aren't raised to be respectful and protecting and to protect their women.
There's actually a lot of messed up men out there because of how they've been raised.
Because of how they've been raised, men, what they grew up listening to, we're seeing it's a big influence.
And so there's actually a lot of men who are honestly just pussies and just don't.
I'm sorry, but they just can't.
They don't know how to provide.
They don't know how to protect.
And they get insecure about that because they genuinely just don't know what to do.
Okay.
I'm lucky enough to have a good dad and I learned all that stuff from him.
So I know a lot of people now get raised in a single house and it sucks because they don't get to learn those qualities of like a what a good relationship looks like and also what a man is supposed to be to provide for a family like that.
And so I would think that's pretty much a big problem in our generation too.
Well yeah, I think we have a lot of men who are becoming much more feminine and you have a lot of women who are becoming much more masculine.
So there's also a statistic that the more women are.
Wake up, Sophia.
The more that the more that like women at least save themselves for marriage or have been accepted the feminine role when they get into marriage that's also more successful, like the divorce rate drops a lot.
A lot of women now, or I think it's more than 60% now of women are women, are women that are doing the divorcing rather than the man.
So that's also going up as men are getting demasculated.
You're doing more than protection at this point.
You're just being whatever you want.
Like a lot of women get into relationships with men that don't really provide nothing but dig.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's like, oh, okay, now you're all married because you had a baby and you're mad.
And of course you want a fucking divorce because what is this?
Why did I do that?
I was digmatized.
Digmatized.
Wow.
Well, it's just in the generation of men being kind of like emasculated or feminized.
They're not like wanting to own up to the condition of being a man.
So it's going to lead to an empty house It's going to lead to Go ahead, Molly Go ahead.
I was going to say, it's also like when men do say that they want to provide for their woman and have the job, make the money, and then that mom, she becomes a stay-at-home mom and will provide for her kids and do all the cooking and cleaning.
The men automatically think that when they come home from work, that their job is to do absolutely nothing because they were at home at work all day.
Most men from home.
So hold on.
Is the mom, she's a stay-at-home mom?
Yeah, so let's say that she's been at home all day, or she could be working from home even.
But from what I've heard, a lot of complaints from women is that men will come home, do absolutely nothing, and don't appreciate it and still expect some sort of sex or something at the end of the day.
Okay, hold on.
So just to clarify, if she's a stay-at-home mom, she doesn't have a job.
She wasn't a stay-at-home mom.
Even if she wasn't a moment, a man is not willing to do the same amount of things that a woman will do to do to do that.
No, no, If the man is out working and the woman is being provided for and she's a stay-at-home mother, she takes care of the household.
The man in that scenario does not do chores.
And by the way, he is doing stuff in the household.
He's doing the stuff like changing tires or fucking mowing the lawn.
But to suggest that a man who's working full-time, who's providing for his wife, who's staying at home, that he then come home and help with the chores, the household chores, that should fall on in that sort of arrangement, that ought to fall on the woman.
See, I didn't specify that he should be doing chores around the house.
Like, I'm not saying he has to be doing the dishes or cleaning up after kids, but providing your woman with the appreciation and affection at the end of the day coming home from that or making sure that you are providing your woman with the reassurance that they need at the end of the day.
I think you're shifting goal posts here because originally you said there's some men that do chores.
Yeah.
That's a problem.
They could do that.
But I wouldn't say all men do that.
No, not all men.
Of course not all men, but there are a majority of men who do that.
Do what?
Do what?
Do nothing when they're women.
Will do absolutely nothing when they come home and expect your wife to be super happy at the end of the day.
like if that makes sense with the relationship and then that's why okay but you say the men are doing nothing what what What are the things that they are not doing?
But if, okay, I can see what you say.
Nothing because it depends on your definition of money, maybe.
Like, say he's doing nothing because money isn't the only thing that matters to you.
It's you coming home and enjoying your family and making it feel like a lovable place to be.
Like you just did all this stuff at home to make it feel like a home, to make sure that the kids are getting fed or whatever it may be.
And you're just at work.
You're at work getting money.
Not your dress.
You are at work getting money and you're providing for the family.
But when you come home, why not feed into the emotional side?
You think that it's, I bring home the money, so I don't have to do shit else.
I don't have to be nice to you.
Like you're supposed to do that.
I bring home the money.
You know what I'm saying?
It should be as simple as, like, I've seen instances where like it'll be like, oh, like, I was at work all day.
Why can't you do this?
And it's like, all I'm asking you is to take the dogs out.
Or all I'm asking you is to let the dogs outside.
Like, but men will be like, well, I was at work all day.
fuck have you been doing and it's like I'll actually birth the kid I don't know Like, it can be simple things that some people don't do.
And so I just feel like that's something that...
Okay, I mean, my...
I guess you'd have to break it down on a thing by...
On a case-by-case basis.
But if you're a man, you're working a full-time job, nine to five, the household chores, that should be the woman's duty if she's a stay-at-home mom.
Agreed.
Now, if it's 50-50, you're both working.
100%.
Oh, my gosh.
Okay.
When the man is gone.
And so I understand, like, cleaning up the house, taking care of the kids.
But the men can still be a little bit more than that.
The long part of putting the kids to bed, helping you put the kids to bed, helping the simple money.
Yeah, I agree with you there.
But you said chores, I think initially.
She didn't say chores.
No, I didn't say chores.
I would say that men should be doing chores when they get home just because that shouldn't be if you're not doing anything else.
i mean is it is popping it is popping a dvd people don't want a dvd Is putting on putting on the iPad for the kids?
Is that right?
I know, you shouldn't.
But like I just think.
He works in the coal mine.
Yeah, like he works in a coal mine.
You're in pajamas all day.
You put the DVD in.
You put the DVD in.
Can I ask you?
Yeah, what's up?
Can I ask a question?
So I think this is kind of deviating from what we've been discussing a little bit, but I think a lot of women are not as interested in a traditional are not as interested in a traditional housewife versus like the breadwinner marriage because they don't feel that it's not a guarantee.
There's no guarantee that that's going to, you know, that covenant is going to last forever.
And, you know, then what happens if there's a divorce is that a woman is left in a very vulnerable position, right?
So I think if people are.
Sophia.
Wake up.
Sorry.
You okay?
I'm listening to you right now.
Oh, you're okay.
You don't have to listen to me.
I like what you were saying, though.
Sorry, sorry, Lauren.
Go ahead.
So I think if men are interested in this type of relationship, there has to be more brought to the table to make women feel secure that they're bringing into that type of relationship because I don't think women currently feel secure in that situation.
They feel always one step away from like, well, he could divorce me at any time.
I mean, and that is, that is the, you know, that's the risk you take.
Divorce, but cheap.
Just like anything, you know, like there's so many things that can go wrong.
You instantly become codependent on that person in a way.
Right.
Well, just dependent on that person.
Financially dependent at least, right?
What you need.
Right.
So like your basic necessities become tied to that man.
So if something happens, right?
I think that's women's major concern, right?
Like we've seen that relationships don't always work out the way that we might expect.
And then, yeah.
Does that make sense?
I mean, me personally, I'm open to 50-50.
And I would also be open to providing.
So a lot of women are making their own money.
So I'm open to both.
Yeah, there definitely is a concern, I think, for, I mean, but I would say the marriage laws, or the divorce laws, I guess I should say, are so strong in this country that, you know, that's what alimony is for.
So in the event that she does get, and here's the thing: women initiate divorce more frequently than men do.
So I think it should actually be men who are more concerned about getting divorced than women are.
But yeah, I think there's protections for women who are devoting their time to the relationship and are not pursuing a skill set.
And if they were to be divorced, they're now in a weaker position, but that's what alimony is for.
Well, I guess my rebuttal to that is that, you know, most men with any assets worth protecting in the first place, right, are going to ask for a prenup, right?
So in that case, alimony may not be on the table.
I mean, it may or may not.
It depends on the prenup.
I don't know the stats on it.
I'd certainly be curious to know what percentages, what percentage of marriages involve a prenup.
I don't know if they'd even have that, but prenups are not.
You can get around prenups.
You can.
It depends.
They get thrown up.
It depends.
Do you not trust me?
When you mean a marriage?
Guys, my advice to men.
Get a prenup.
Don't get married.
Oh, there you go.
Don't get married.
There you go.
We're back to it.
Just don't get married.
So, can I add like a final thought, like onto what I was saying?
Sure.
Yeah, go ahead.
So I'm just going to, like, I honestly think it's that that's why it's a good idea for women to at least be work working for their own money.
Like they don't have to be the absolute breadwinner and provider of their house, but like to have their own sort of income and independence from that.
So if something were to happen, and like let's say they are working, like they should still expect like an even 50-50 in that relationship and with their home life.
If that makes sense.
Like I think that's the ideal what everyone should be looking for in this day and age is that it should be 50-50 no matter what.
More realistic.
I mean, if I'd be willing to provide 75.
I don't know.
I like picking up.
But 50-50 is fine too.
50-50.
I think, I don't know.
I think both men and women have 10,000.
It's too hot now?
No, it's alright.
Feels good.
Is it too hot?
We can open the window.
Really?
Okay.
Drink some water.
All right, we have.
Oh, I did this one.
Okay, we have George Antavera.
Thank you for the 10-year soup chat.
A wife has a honey-do list that husbands work on for the home.
Foot.
Yeah.
Honestly, okay.
Foot.
Fucking clear the rain gutters, do this, do that.
I don't know all this shit.
George, thank you, man.
Okay, so I had a question slip my mind, though.
Okay, so Ayana, are you ready for this?
Yeah.
Are you ready?
Actually, you know what?
Should we do it?
Should we react to a really toxic person?
Yeah, do it.
Okay, we want to get your guys' reaction.
Weed does kill the brain.
If that's what the question is, play it, go.
All right, let's play, pull up the clip, go to the tab.
Oh, shit.
All right.
Actually, just really quick, let's do the height thing really quick.
Ignore red flags, Tahl.
It's like super short.
Okay, just like some dumb cringe talk.
But she's, I mean, she's saying she wants a guy who's 6'3.
She's not saying that necessarily, but she's saying she's ignoring red flags because he's 6'3, right?
There's both hard to grow through it, girl.
So, I mean, you know, a lot of women do have a high preference there.
Eric, can you pull up the Tate?
Fuck.
There we go.
clip we need the girl's reaction to all right Do we could do robot to submit?
Oh, that one's funny.
Sure, why not?
Do the robot to submit.
This was Tom's agreement.
And also, do I worry if I'm too submissive?
Will he not respect me?
No, Get rid of that.
Get rid of that.
Get rid of that submission.
That won't respect me, crap.
That's not real.
Is that real?
You know what?
So many women say to me, you're so, Andrew, you know what?
You're so rich, but you're smart, and you're actually very intelligent.
And I know you'd get really bored of a robot.
And I'm sitting there thinking, bitch, I wish to God you were a robot.
Shut the fuck up.
We talk about star signs?
Oh, yeah, I'm so glad.
Tell me more about Sagittarius Rising.
Idiot.
I don't give a fuck.
Give me a robot.
All men want robots.
That's all we want.
Four wives, robots, inshallah.
Put the burg on.
Yep.
What are you talking about?
We don't care.
Two coffees.
That's just it.
It's nice and easy.
There's no such thing as too submissive.
There's no such thing.
I'm never going to look at a beautiful woman who does everything I say and go, you know what?
You do too much of what I say.
I want to go do some disagreeable bits.
What do you guys think of that?
So get you a robot then.
They're on the market.
He's lying.
You think he's lying?
Some guys like girls that fight back.
He's just not that guy.
That's good.
He's a bad guy.
I didn't say fight back.
I mean, not fight back, but he's saying, like, oh, yeah.
I never would like you to dismiss me.
Some guys do not like the bad.
The question was, like, oh, if I submit to him too much, will he not respect who I am?
Boom, no.
Will you respect yourself?
I think that's what a woman is.
He obviously is going to sneak you a robot after that.
If he's a robot, you're going to tell the body.
If you do everything he wants you to do, then you're a robot, according to Joe Budden lookalike.
He didn't like how we all had something to say about that.
Okay, so Sophia, your reaction to the clip?
It seemed like he said that if you do everything that a guy wants, then you're like a robot.
You're not like a human being.
That's what I got.
That's what he wants.
Yeah, he liked that.
That's what he's into.
Lauren.
I just, I take that clip not very seriously because it's like, dude, those exist.
Like, you could get a robot if that's what you really want.
We have one at the table.
Right, right.
So, like, you know, there's a really funny meme about this that I always think of.
It's like, yeah, give all the guys sex robots and then see what happens when they have to clean them, you know, like dirty.
Like, who's going to be clean on these sex robots?
They're self-cleaning.
They're self-cleaning?
Nice.
They just, you know.
But it's a robot.
Okay, sorry.
Tiffany, your reaction to the clip.
I feel like if a woman's too submissive, a guy might just lose respect for her.
Did you watch the clip?
There's no clip.
Okay, clip.
I just feel like, say you're telling this girl to do everything she wants you to do into the mic.
If she does do it, first of all, she's dumb if she keeps, if she does that.
But I feel like he's going to just pull.
Wife material.
No.
What if his microphone is?
That's what I feel like.
There's no such thing as too submissive.
Bro.
There's not.
There's not.
Not all men have the right intentions.
They can definitely put you in an icky situation and then be like, ew, you're a hoe.
Like, oh, I want you to come in and read some with me and this dude.
Or no, this girl.
And then when you were doing it too fun, he was like, oh, ew.
You're a little hoe.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that was my example of he could put you in a situation that might not be what he thought it would be and then be mad about it.
What do you think about their outlier that you're talking about?
Are you talking about?
Oh, I'm constantly talking about outliers.
Just living that life.
Are you talking about him being a cuck and like letting you cuck him?
No.
I'm just saying, like, she's saying, like, to be too submissive, you would lose respect, but not, I guess, not from the man.
You would more lose respect from yourself because now in society, you're being my personal experience.
Guys like women that don't go along with everything and they have to work for more.
Fuck no.
That's a lie.
White men.
In my personal experience.
man speaking what what is what is my what does my skin color have to do with I don't know You think black men don't want submissive.
I mean, sometimes, but there's also a guy who wants to hear, he wants to hear his girl's voice.
I've definitely experienced it.
He wants to hear his girl's voice.
Yeah, like say you're in a situation with some outsiders and they're talking to you crazy.
And this is stupid because you're going to be like, that's an outlier.
Fuck this.
Say some girl comes up and she's like, your dude is this and that and the third.
And instead of just waiting for your man to say something, you speak up for yourself.
But like some guy, they might not like a woman that speaks up for themselves.
No, I'm making no sense.
So a girl lost her channel.
I'll tell you a situation, right?
Okay.
Let's say I'm out with my girlfriend.
Three guys are being stupid, right?
I want her to shut the fuck up.
Definitely.
She's going to get my ass kicked.
That's for me.
You need to shut the fuck up.
But that's her being submissive.
Yeah.
That's her badness.
That's literally her thinking and being smart.
But it's like, dude, how many times does the girl get the guy into a fight?
All the time.
I do security.
It happens all the time.
Oh, you're a bouncer, right?
Yeah.
At the club.
How often do we like fighting?
Hold on, let's hear what Zach has to say.
So do you see guys out with their girlfriends, and maybe some other dudes are acting stupid?
The girl mouths off to the dudes, and they spark the guy.
It's on the guy.
100%.
Yeah.
So, of course, they want a girl that's going to shut the fuck up.
Well, I mean, like...
Make me look safe.
Let us handle that shit, but like, if the fucking odds are against us, like, bro, we got to do something.
You're like, what?
There's four of them.
No, I've seen that before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I wouldn't say that's being like, you're disrespecting yourself.
You're just submitting to like, trust your man to know what to do.
And like a physical archer case.
Like to a certain extent.
Well, also what Tate says, if like if there's a fight situation, like run.
Like don't try to fucking don't grab his.
Because what Tate says is he says he tells his girlfriends or whatever, just run away, scream, go for help.
Because he says, oh, she's going to grab my arm.
And now he can't fucking swing on the dude.
So straight.
Are you not a strong man?
Let's really be for real.
If a girl grew, come on, let's get in.
They get in the way.
They just get in the way.
Don't get in the way.
Just run.
No, literally, just leave.
Just leave.
That's not me being submissive either.
I'm not about to sit here and wait for you.
But that's not really related to being submissive.
I mean, that's just like.
That's not my point.
That's not my place to fight these big muscles.
Time and place.
Time and place.
Know your place.
Yeah.
Okay.
So who did we leave off?
Was it you?
Who did we leave off on their take?
Her, so I wouldn't.
Yeah, what's your take on the clip?
Um I honestly feel like men want women to be submissive until like you know they want someone to be emotionally supportive for them when they do like and I'm just gonna go into a whole thing,
but when men do go through it and all of a sudden they want a woman to be emotionally supportive for them, it's like I know there's a whole toxic masculinity thing on it, but I already know just be nope But yeah, no, it's like men do want women to be supportive of them as well, so you can't really be a robot for that to happen.
You can be submissive and supportive, okay?
But then also men who have submissive women are so much more likely to go cheat on their women, I feel like.
Like a lot of men who have submissive women, they lose respect to them and go cheat on their women.
That's something that's like something more spicier.
Honestly, this girl at home is still gonna do what I want her.
Exactly.
I'm looking for her and I have a real fight.
I'm not a cheater, but if I'm dating a quarrelsome woman and we're fucking constantly fighting, I'm more likely to cheat on you in that scenario than the chick we're never fighting.
We're never quarreling.
Because it makes you feel bad.
But men don't really be into what they're doing.
I mean, I'm not going to be dating a girl who's quarrelsome for long.
You could be independent and not be quarrelsome.
Like, you don't have to be completely submissive to your partner to, like, you just got to communicate.
Okay, sure.
That's literally it.
Sure.
I can't talk about it.
Zach, did you want to come in?
No, you're good.
Just like completely not being submissive or just like not fully.
You could be submissive to your partner.
Like, I would say, like, if I'm in a relationship, I love being submissive to my partner and like, you know, letting them feel like they can protect me and do what they want.
But it's like when they also need some sort of support or emotional support, it's like I'm there.
It's a thing of communication and independence on both parties.
Like, that's personally what I feel like is the least problematic you can have.
And then coming together at the end of the day to talk about your disputes and then actually being mature enough to get through them is what is important, I feel like.
Not being submissive to each other.
That's what creates a person of I have power over you and oh, I'm less dominant.
Like it's like, no, you gotta agree that you're equal to have a working relationship, I feel like.
Do you like that fitty fitty?
Yeah.
Okay, question.
Question for you.
Let's say someone breaks into the house.
Zach's your boyfriend.
Someone breaks into the house.
Do you want to handle that?
Do you want to handle that, or do you want Zach to handle that?
With a gun?
I mean...
Do you have a gun?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Personally.
Would you rather have a gun?
I mean, personally, it's nice to know that my boyfriend's not going to be a little bitch and run away.
Like, I'd like him to want to be up in the front.
But it's like, I would still be that person to back up a co-host if I need to.
Let's see.
No, it's like, I'd want to find out, too.
Like, shit, I'd bring a second gun.
I wouldn't want you to go by yourself.
Like, we're in this together.
We both died.
We both died.
Shit.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Like, but I'd like to know that my men.
You say that.
So if there's an armed robber in your house, you're like, let's do this.
Definitely.
I've been waiting my whole life.
I wouldn't go run and fucking hide.
Like, I'd want to be able, I wouldn't just want to leave you to go handle that shit.
Like, I'd want to be able to help in some ways.
Have you been in a situation like that?
Yes.
You have?
Personally, Zach's been in the shit.
No, I've been through it.
Zach's been in the shit.
I've been through shit.
Like, I don't understand.
He's just understand.
He's been in it.
Well, me personally, like, I got four younger brothers, and I've had to defend them at some times, like, in dark situations.
So I know how it is to be that protector.
And that's an impersonal thing.
Like, that's not the same for all women.
But, like, for me, I will back up my man and do what I can to protect what I love.
So it's, like, you know, and that's how.
It's a power.
I feel like, though, most women.
Yeah.
They'd be like, go.
It's a dude with a gun.
So terrifying to think of you charging a guy with a gun.
No, I wouldn't charge you.
I would charge up.
I do that.
No, I'd be smart about it and go from behind and fucking.
Oh, ninja.
Okay.
On a rappel, on a rope.
Yeah.
I would say, yeah, most women would resort to the gun.
All right, let me get this last super chat here.
Daral, A, good to see you, man.
Thank you for the nine British pounds, I believe.
Thank you, man.
W. Brian, would y'all trust in your partner if they suggested getting a prenup before getting married?
Really, yeah, we can go on this really quick.
I forgot about money, yeah.
So, red flag if the guy's like, I want a prenup?
No, red deal breaker issues.
You just don't trust me.
I could see that.
Oh, okay.
All right, okay.
Lauren.
Sophia?
No, quite no, no reaction.
Sophia, dumb back.
Sophia is in the other.
So, what do you feel about prenup?
Nothing.
Prenups.
That's a question for marriage.
Okay, so how do you feel about marriage?
You don't want that?
All right, Sophia.
Here, let me paint a picture.
You and me, we've been dating for Sophia.
Listen, we've been dating for two years and we were going to get married.
We're engaged.
That we get a prenup.
That we would get a prenup.
No, but I approach you.
I'm like, listen, Sophia, sign this.
Why?
I wouldn't say that aggressively.
I mean.
Are you going to be like.
If you came at me like that.
No, I'm exaggerating, but okay.
I'm like, listen.
If you want to protect your goods.
Listen, Sophia, I think you're going to be a very wealthy businessman in the future.
I really want to protect you.
Here's a prenup.
I'm concerned for your future finances.
I don't, you know, I'm a gold digger.
You're playing with me.
I'm a gold digger.
Please sign this prenup because I'm looking out for you, girl.
I'm looking out for you.
I'm looking out for you, girl.
Don't believe the lies.
Are you down with me?
Would you be hesitant to do that?
Oh, yeah.
I would take a long time to agree to that.
And I would look over the term divorce before you sign it.
But there's definitely, you know, there's definitely a right time in a right place for a prenup.
Gotcha.
Okay.
Two last questions here for you guys.
Is it easier for men or women to get laid?
Women.
Sophia?
Lauren?
Women.
Yeah, men can.
I mean.
They've been laid for the years.
Is it easier for a man to get laid?
Or a woman.
Or a woman.
A woman's not necessarily going to ask for it where a man is going to press you.
So I guess it would be easier for a man to have to get laid.
Yeah.
No, because they don't have as many choices.
Because a woman's standards are really high.
They're like, I only want to choose from this 10%, right?
Whoever you choose, they're going to give it up because they don't have that many options.
Yeah.
So, women, it's easier for women to get laid?
Yes.
Or is it men?
Because men are easy.
Okay.
I think we would all agree on that, right?
Yeah, we've had some girls, though, that think it's way easier for men.
Okay, I understand that.
Should body count matter?
Last question.
Fuck no.
Hold on, hold on.
We're going to start with Sophia.
Actually, no, we're going to start with Ayana.
Okay.
Should body count matter?
It shouldn't, but to a big amount of people, it does.
I think that it's quite unfair because, I mean, you're doing your own thing, right?
I mean, why are you judging someone on their past if you're living in their present?
But at the same time, some people aren't into that.
So the past.
Said earlier about no one wants to drive a car, the new car with mileage or whatever the fuck, I don't know.
I bought a used car and it's pretty nice to me.
Is it a Mazda?
It's actually a Prius, okay.
Should body count matter?
I don't think it should matter honestly, like I know it does matter to a lot of people.
Okay, but like I've had instances where, like you fucking around, just be like oh like, what's your body count?
And it could be like someone will say it's really high and to me I'm just like okay well, I don't really, like I don't care, unless you're like someone who's really fucking nasty with like an SCD or some shit.
Then it's like okay, get the fuck out of here.
But I personally think that experience is experience and like if you're in the present, you're just getting what you're getting in the present.
Honestly, okay.
I also don't think it matters, because you could easily just lie, you know, and then you're still gonna fuck them and you're gonna think it feels just as good as if it's not gonna mean anything if you know like you did enough, you know, I don't know.
So okay, start off with a lie.
Okay, it's not a relationship.
I mean, eventually that's what that turns into.
I mean, you've been violating this fucking money then it should never have been a relationship that well yeah, if they're asking that straight off the bat, then yeah, you're kind of weird.
They probably got something you kind of only care about.
They got something, that okay so.
But should body count matter?
No, it shouldn't.
Okay, you're still gonna have sex at the end of the day.
I think it matters a little bit.
Oh yeah, I think it matters.
Like that coming really no, oh uh no, it matters.
I mean, STDs are rampant.
Like if you look at the stats, it's crazy.
Like you have to.
I personally would want to know that my partner is like intentional and safe and intentional about who they're being with.
When a man asks that he's not thinking about if you're intentional, let's really be for real.
He's thinking about, are you used up?
Like, did you this many people?
They're not just thinking oh, she probably has STD.
Like you could have a high body country, like still, like if someone tells me they've slept with a thousand people, I'm like what the fuck is wrong with you?
Like like, so I'm saying it matters a little bit.
Like if we take it to this thought experiment to the extreme.
It's like age compared to your body right, so what?
Yeah yeah, like what?
Are you unemployed?
Like what is going on?
What the fuck?
Yeah, how do you have time to rack up that many?
Um Sophia, I think body count definitely matters, like you can't lie about it but, like the, the fact is like you could kind of tell where somebody's head is at based off their body count, if they really are, just you know, open to whatever they're working for something.
So to me, it's like it's not even just body count, but it's kind of like how long were you messing with that person?
How long did it take you to move on to the next?
It's a lot.
It's a lot of dynamics.
As you would expect, I care about body count.
Um personally, I just don't find the value, or I guess it's just a turnoff when i'm just gonna be another one on the list.
So I tend to just decline or say like I don't want to be another one on your list because it just shows out of like disrespect for me or for you.
I just don't really see the point of like the hooking up and having a high body count.
Um yeah personally yeah it's it's, it's a, it's a pretty big factor when it comes to a serious relationship, or like, how have you carried yourself before this to you know, to not embarrass me, or shit like that.
It's also that, like the lower the body count like, the better the marriage is going to be.
I don't think i've ever seen.
With the divorce rate and everything, if a woman saves herself more towards marriage, and the marriage will be more successful statistically.
But I would say it's just a better has a better chance of working out if you're not being another one on that list or if they have like a have a bunch of bodies on it.
I guess it's just a reflection of the person and how they've lived their life in order to bring something fruitful to yours.
Right.
Yeah.
We don't want to date the town bicycle.
God, you're going to say that shit.
To put it bluntly, we don't want to date the town bicycle.
Neither does a woman.
That's totally fine.
Yeah, that's fine.
I don't have a double standard on this.
I think women can have the exact same preference for wanting a man who has a low body count.
I think it happens to be the case that I think women care less about it than do men.
I just feel like it's not realistic, the number.
They're like, okay, 25 bodies is just blasphemy.
You know what I'm saying?
That's pretty high.
That's crazy.
What's your body count?
I don't know.
Let's move on from that.
I don't want to answer that for your age.
Exactly what I'm saying.
What, a 60-year-old?
That's well, yeah.
So, I mean, obviously, your age is a factor, but I think, like, if you ask most men, I think most men would say over 10 is when they think that's high.
I'd say they think over 10 is high.
I mean, over 10, maybe it's not high, but it's undesirable.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess to an extent.
Somebody said one is high.
Right.
Yeah, I think Eddie Murphy had a joke from his 1980 special, something like one is too much.
Like, that's what Eddie Murphy said.
I forgot what I forgot what the special one.
I think it's all over media.
But I guess you're not, if you're like over a certain age, are you still asking what your body count is?
Probably not.
Right?
Yeah, I'm very excited.
If y'all are both 30 years old, you're going to ask me what my bird count is.
I'm 33 and I can't say that.
Okay, and if I'm 32 years old and I was like, my body count is whatever, you're going to hold that against me.
I'm 30 years old.
We're not holding it against you.
We're just not going to fuck with you.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
I think the body count thing is also in some ways it's too high.
It's also like a promiscuity thing, too.
So like a woman could have a low body count, but if she's on the journey to she's she's starting her journey to being a whore.
Like if she's starting, like she could, she could be at number two, right?
But if she's like, she's going to be putting up like 10 bodies in the next month.
That's crazy.
How do you know that?
Well, you might not, but like a bigger thing for me is like body count is definitely important, but like also is she seeing other guys.
And I think there you go.
Maybe I have like a unreasonable expectation here in 2022, but like if I'm dating a girl, I want her to be proper single, proper single, when even before our first date, I don't want, here's the thing, because I don't want to sleep with a woman that's also sleeping with another guy.
Yeah.
If she's concurrent, if she's well, if she's concurrently sleeping with someone else, to me, that's just, hey, look, free fucking country, I guess you can do it.
You can sleep with three, four guys at the same time.
To me, it's just, well, it's just, it's honestly gross.
Yeah.
It's just repulsive.
It's just gross.
Like, to me, it's kind of disgusting.
And women can feel the same way.
Oh, he just fucked two.
He fucked a girl yesterday.
Now he's going to fuck.
Like, you can feel.
Women can feel gross about that too.
But I'd feel dirty.
And I don't want anything.
If I know you're sleeping with another guy, it's a wrap.
Is that possessive?
It's territorial.
Territorial.
Because a lot of people get really scared of that.
Oh, you're possessive.
But that's like, I feel like that's kind of like describing what you're saying, which you're saying everybody wants that.
Yeah.
I mean, some people don't care.
Like a lot of people are going to use that.
Some people don't really care.
Don't care about what?
Dig deeper into that.
They don't care.
What do you care about what?
They don't care about you fucking around with multiple people.
Let's really be frank.
We don't care.
Like, at the same one time.
Dude, fucking, like, juices exchange.
You don't care that that person is bringing somebody else's juice all up into your business.
I don't even know that person.
I'm not sure if you're a person.
You don't care.
It sounds like you care.
In general, guys, it's never just you or I. I'm just talking about.
Just guys in general.
I'm just saying.
Like, no, I'm saying, like, well, Simpson.
Why wouldn't you care?
Is what I'm saying.
You should care.
Oh, over.
I was agreeing with you.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, we agree.
I said it kind of argued too.
I don't even, I don't want anything.
I don't want to even kiss you.
I don't want to BJ.
I don't want.
I don't want anything.
I don't want to go on a date with you.
But here's the thing.
Here's the kind of the unfortunate thing, which I guess makes dating a bit hard for me, is that a lot of people in 2022, they're not truly single.
They're seeing somebody, they're caught up on their ex.
They're still hooking up with someone else.
And maybe I have an unreasonable standard on this.
If I'm going to be anything, don't be fucking another guy.
Don't fuck another guy and come talk to me.
Yeah.
Like, I just.
Then, like, when does it end?
You know, like, where do you draw the line?
You meet the perfect guy, then that perfect guy doesn't like your fucking huge ass body count.
Yo, what are you going to tell your kids?
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
I didn't mean to cut you off there, but like, what are you going to tell your kids?
Yeah, I met your mom.
She's getting plowed by two other dudes.
Why would you tell your kid that?
Are you realistic?
You're talking about you plowing somebody's mother to your child?
No, you're not going to say that.
No, but you're going to be able to do that.
You're going to treat your woman or your mother or your child should have more respect in your book than for you to be like, oh, I met her and she had 35 bodies and she was plowing two dudes when I met her.
No, keep your mouth shut.
Be a respectable young man.
How about that?
The point I'm trying to make is that woman would never be my long-term partner.
She'd never be my wife.
It's from the get-go.
But I mean, there's a lot of simps that'll put up with a lot of shit.
So I think, honestly, guys that have these sort of standards are actually, I think, outliers.
They're the outliers that have these sort of standards.
And hey, don't deal with me if you're fucking with another guy.
Because everybody is.
You can do it.
But I don't want anything to do with you.
If that's the way you decide to live your life, that's fine.
It's on you.
It's on you.
But don't expect anything else from a good guy to submit to you.
Okay, so just going back to body count.
So you said the past shouldn't matter.
Guys, the past shouldn't matter, right?
I think a couple of you said that.
Passion matters.
It's the past.
It's in the past.
Who cares, right?
Would you date a guy who previously slept with prostitutes?
Probably not.
I mean, it's his past.
Did I know about it?
Did he come up to me and say, I slept with prostitutes?
Okay, did he get tested for any HIVs?
Let's say he's clean, but like still.
If so, if he's clean, it's like, I feel like, well, no, I feel like if he's a trick.
But you can't really know if he's clean.
I love her.
Like, I will say, like, if like, I would need evidence to know.
Like, physical evidence.
If you are HTD clean, there's certain STD tests.
Like, they don't test for all that shit.
Let's just infect my child.
But then thinking about that, they actually went out of their way to spend money to buy something for sex is kind of like a bad thing.
Okay, how about this?
I wouldn't.
How about this?
Here's another one.
Well, really quick, just around the panel.
Would you date a guy who previously slept with prostitutes, Tiffany?
No.
Lauren?
If I knew about it, no.
Probably no.
Okay.
What about would you date a guy who previously slept with men?
Yes.
And he was a bottom.
Sophia?
Maybe.
Yes.
As long as he's not a boss.
So he was.
It depends on the guy.
Okay, so a week before he gets with you, he was sucking the dude's dick.
That doesn't mean anything.
Not a big deal for you, Sophia?
Okay.
Lauren?
I'm thinking about it.
I don't know.
I think I would have to talk about it with them, but it would not necessarily be a deal-breaker.
Okay, alright, that's fine.
Tiffany?
I would have to say no.
Into the mic?
No.
You told me you sucked the man's dick.
You're not coming nowhere near me.
Okay, what about like getting plowed?
No, you keep the dirty dick over there.
Okay, no, no, no.
He doesn't got the dirty dick.
He received it.
So now I might change.
Oh, what?
That's better than the poop.
The dick didn't have to go into the coot.
Goddamn it.
I mean, he showered.
I wasn't playing with Jaboho anyway.
showered so okay but you're you're saying that if wouldn't it be more of a turnoff for a woman if the guy was a bottom Yeah, right.
Like he's a little bit of a dad.
Unless she's a dot.
I mean, like, unless she's a I guess, yeah.
Okay.
What about yours?
I would be like, okay, as long as he's not expecting me to, like, provide him the same shit he got from Matt.
Oh, God.
Then.
You wouldn't peg a dude?
like if Zach your boyfriend here like I just I don't find it in the hypothetical scenario I don't think you're going to have like a full-ass bottom.
Like, you just bent a guy over, you couldn't, like, see yourself pegging the dude.
Moaning by me, like, inhaling him is disgusting.
It's not a good look.
No, it's not.
Okay.
So, but, but you would be okay with a guy who previously had that with a, with a, like, envisioning, just envision in your mind your boyfriend, Guillermo, just going to town on him.
Guillermo, just fucking going to town on him.
Oh, my God.
Ladden lover.
It's, yeah, as honestly, he's just like, what do you mean by that?
Well, she included him.
What do you mean by that?
What do you mean?
I like you.
What do you mean?
I genuinely think we just depend on the guy.
All right.
It's hard.
Stop the cap.
All right.
Ayana, what's up?
What's up?
There's nothing wrong with this.
So it's kind of weird because I definitely go both ways.
But for me personally, I'm just not.
I'm not very into that.
I mean, like, maybe if you wanted to be dominated in that way, he was talking to me when he did this or before.
He did this before we were talking.
How much did you like it?
No, I don't know.
That's not necessarily what I'm into.
Let's go for a full-fledged.
You want a masculine man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not one that's been done with that.
Yeah, that's not necessarily.
Like, that's not going to bring my highest sad.
Okay, so of those of you who said body count shouldn't matter, right?
Body count should matter.
Your passion matter.
What's your body count?
Ayana.
If body count shouldn't matter, what's your body count?
You should be willing to share it.
If it doesn't matter.
Seven.
Huh?
I've got to repeat it four times.
Yeah, look, I was speaking, so go ahead.
Seven.
Seven.
Okay.
Julian.
Seven.
Tiffany?
I don't even know, but I would say double digits.
11?
I would say 11.
Last time I counted was 11.
Okay.
But I'm 34.
All right.
All right.
Do you want?
I mean, you said body count matters, but do you want to answer?
I honestly don't know.
I don't know.
I think it's around eight.
Okay.
Okay.
Sophia?
Decline.
Come on, Sophie.
I don't know that answer.
Guesstimate.
I don't know.
Give us a range.
Less than 10 or more than 10.
I don't know.
Less than 10 or more than 10?
Pay the fifth.
I honestly.
Play less.
Is it more or less than 10?
You're her friend.
Right around.
Play the fifth.
Come on.
She says.
If she's saying, I don't know, it's probably less than 10.
If she's saying, I don't know, I think it's probably less than 10.
Because it could be either way, you know.
Okay, can you give us a 10?
I said declined.
She said declined.
So that means wait, hold on.
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
For all of those.
Okay.
Still not 25.
No.
Wait, last question because I kind of have to clown on myself a bit now.
Because you guys' body count.
Wait.
Well, I care about body count a lot, and I don't disclose that information to anyone.
Shorty just played in our face.
Have you seen it?
Yeah, I think body count matters, so I don't disclose that anymore.
Are you dead serious right now, Brian?
I don't like that you're playing these cards.
I'm sorry.
Absolutely nobody.
Okay.
Wow.
Last thing.
So very last thing here.
Whoa.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
I feel like I have a small frame, right, guys?
So, what?
Are you calling me fat?
Wow.
Wow, Sophia.
I feel like I got a bit of a small frame here, like my wrists, you know, they're not.
Got hands.
So, Zach, here's what I want us to do.
We're going to have the girls compare our rate our hands.
Okay.
And you have big.
We talked about this last show.
Zach has.
Zach has.
See, I'm jealous of Zach's hands because he has strong man hands, and I have like piano fingers too.
I've got like very delicate hands, which I dislike.
It's because I didn't toil in the fields.
So, ladies, if you had to, like, let's say you just saw the hands.
If you had a pick, like, you know, like, this is your life.
You look like you, like, cook and you paint.
And you look like you do massages and you break things.
I massage.
Right.
You're dead on.
I massage.
I do good massage.
Good massage.
When you feel a guy's hand, is it attractive when it's rough or when it's soft?
Soft.
I would say soft.
Rougher, maybe.
Oh, shit.
Rip.
Dude, I've got fucking fish.
Dude, I've got softer hands than shit.
I mean, you want somebody that works.
Holy shit.
God damn.
Wait, okay, so which set of hands do you pick?
Is this sus, chat?
Is this extra?
Is it chat?
Hold it up to your head.
Got a big old dumb on me.
Just put our hands together.
Oh, yours is just the same size as just a little bit more.
Okay, which hands do you pick?
God damn, give us an answer.
Are we going to ask?
Sophia, pick.
Put your hand down on the table.
His hand looked like he could do some damage, but you got the details.
Like, it depends.
Okay, I got the.
You look like you could finish it on my own.
You're just going to wreck it.
Oh, you're saying I got the delicate touch.
Yeah, you might have the touch.
I got that mighty status.
I'm going to have to go with you because I would be like, I look like I can beat you up.
I'm going to go with this one.
Chat.
God damn.
Lauren?
I like a nerdy man.
Those hands look like they've done some coding, so I'm going to go.
I'm going to go with that.
Yo, my words per minute are fucking insane.
Zach, how fast do you type?
Not fast.
Okay, I fucking got you beat.
I'm fucking good.
Oh, you see what you're talking about here, though?
If you want to drag that a little bit deeper, how fast do you type?
What?
I don't get it.
Oh, my bad.
I did it again.
You don't understand?
No.
How fast can you type?
Oh.
WPM.
Yeah.
Okay, I got that figured out pretty well.
My hands games.
Type and clash.
Stand up.
My hand game.
Lily.
Lily and I think I would go with Zach's hand.
Okay.
I'm going to pass in this question.
Come on.
On this question.
Listen.
What's the most innocent question?
Yo, I'm not going to be upset.
Which ones?
Come on.
You guys have some very nice hands.
Do you work out your hands?
Do I?
I work out my groove.
Your hand's got muscles.
It looks like he's going to jump.
He's got muscles on muscles.
They're veiny.
All things I can say.
No, I like they got in control.
I mean, is that attractive?
Feel this.
Got the stance.
Feel this.
Is that weird to you?
A callous?
No.
Yeah.
All right, cool.
Okay.
Ayana, answer the question.
Answer the question.
We cannot end the stream until you answer the question.
That's so much pressure.
Just pick.
We're not going to be hurt.
I feel like these hands would be nicer and these hands would be...
Raph, how are you feeling on this day?
You know what I'm saying?
I'll take my hands.
Take it.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
Okay.
Let me get this last super chat that came in.
All right, George Anteveros with the $10 Super Chat.
Mercy Buku.
I'm not taking the Town Bicycle series for a relationship.
It says something about their morals and how they value themselves.
It goes both ways.
Word?
Word.
I'd rather walk.
She'd rather walk.
She'd rather be a walker than a bicycle.
Good times.
Good times.
All right.
There's a bit of difference there with the.
Actually, no, I think you won.
What?
The handwriting.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I think you won.
Yeah.
Congrats.
W Zach in the chat.
Dubs.
W Zach.
All right, guys.
We're going to wrap there.
Sorry.
So, yeah, guys, thank you for tuning in.
You couldn't have been doing anything else, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thanks to everyone who super chatted and supports the show.
Big thank you to the panel.
You guys were awesome.
Really enjoyed this panel.
Thanks to our chat mod, Zach, Candace.
I don't know if you're still in the chat, but thank you, Candace.
Thanks to Eric, the top producer.
Thank you, man.
Good times.
And guys, we will be live again Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
Be sure to tune in, and we will see you guys next time.