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So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
Go ahead.
Hi, I'm Jade.
I go to UCSB and I'm a pharmacology major and I'm an OlyFans content creator.
So you can go ahead and check out that link at really.jade with three L's.
Hi guys, I'm Alexis.
I'm 26.
I'm an admin assistant for a city here in the area.
And what was the other question?
It was just name, age, occupation, and or school major.
Oh, I already graduated.
Business management.
From where?
Fresno Pacific.
Okay.
Yeah.
Sorry.
About the Fresno.
Hey, I love it.
It's my hometown.
Oh, it's your hometown.
My hometown, yeah.
Love the people.
Okay.
All right, go ahead.
Hi, I'm Maya.
Sorry about the podcast.
Sorry.
Well, I mean, you roasted Fresno.
Can I roast the podcast now?
Oh, I guess not.
She's sorry about the podcast.
I'm so sorry.
I go to UCSB and SBCC, and I'm a PolySign major.
I currently am unemployed.
I'm Jasmine.
I go to SBCC.
I'm an early childhood education major, and I work as a receptionist at an El Salon.
I'm Tara.
I'm a senior at UCSB studying philosophy and psychology, and I'm working as a waitress at like a local restaurant.
And you got, this is your fourth time back on the show.
Yes.
You got some beef last time.
Did that materialize the beef?
Like you and Kiko?
I mean, I haven't seen her since.
She banned you from.
Wait, she banned you because you guys got into beef on the show.
Oh, is this the girl from the club?
Yes.
Oh, that'll do it.
Yeah, she can't handle a little bit of backstage on Saturday nights.
Wait, I think I know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
Wait, did she?
Maybe it was just in the heat of the moment.
I'm not going to test it, honestly.
I'm just going to go somewhere else this.
We can test it.
We can go on Saturday.
Yeah, we'll go together.
We'll also have a little bit of a little bit of a marker.
Yeah.
See what happens.
Oh, God.
She's chill.
She's chill, I think.
By the way, guys, we've been experiencing some issues with the gifted membership.
So you need to opt in to receive a gifted membership.
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Either when someone does do a gifted membership, below it, there's like a allow gifts or something.
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So anyways, by the way, guys, all the girls' Instagrams are in the description.
So please?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So guys, show them some love, give them a follow.
Sugar Daddies, you know what to do.
My Instagram is there too.
Sugar mamas.
Hit them up.
Yeah, if there's any sugar mamas, which is probably like 1% of all sugar people in the league.
I guess instead of any sugar mamas, if there's any women with large labia, DM me.
Okay.
Moving on.
Yeah.
4-11 large labia queens.
Okay.
So current relationship status, longest relationship.
Are you on any dating apps?
And that includes seeking.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Well, I'm technically single, but it's a situation ship.
I am on a dating app, but like I don't really go on it because it's kind of lame, kind of boring.
And then my longest relationship, I think, has been like a year and a half.
Most of them have cheated on me.
So we kind of end it right away once we find out that they cheat.
Who's we?
You and your split personalities?
Yeah.
No.
Your multiple personalities.
I just like to, you know, all my different types of personalities that I have, you know, I like to call myself we.
I don't like that.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
So you said most of your relationships you've been cheated on?
Yeah.
That sucks.
Sorry to hear that.
I mean, you know, men will just be men.
Like, I mean, how many of you guys have been cheated on?
Yeah.
Everyone here has.
Have you never been cheated on?
You probably just don't know.
It could be the case that I don't know.
It could be the case.
Women are a lot better at covering it.
I was going to say, we tend to be a little bit more.
Actually, I saw a study that said that women cheat more than men.
Don't doubt it.
Yeah, I'm sure that's because men are everywhere.
Like, yeah.
Not by a large margin, but they do edge out men a little bit more.
So you're in a complicated relationship.
Yeah, well, so like I met a guy here and I just don't want to commit because my last relationship, it was a guy I met my first year of college and he kind of just roped me in real quickly.
And he just like would not let me go out by myself, like very controlling, very manipulative.
And so I wasn't able to get out of that relationship until it was the summer and I was like away from him.
So I broke up with him.
And now I kind of just want to be single, but like I love to have emotional connections with people.
And like I like to have a particular person I'm with, but I just don't want to have the title, I guess.
So how long have you been seeing this curtain?
Curtain?
I hope he's not a Curtin.
This certain thing.
Thing.
This situation.
Well, have you guys established that you're only seeing each other?
I think we both, yeah, kind of.
I tell him that I don't see anyone and I don't think he sees anyone else.
But we both are like, we don't want to be in a relationship because we both came out of a relationship not too long ago.
So I think we both kind of understand that with each other.
But I'm pretty sure we're both only seeing each other.
Pretty sure.
Any dating apps, did you say?
Dating apps, right?
Yeah, I'm on Tinder.
Have you been on Seeking at all?
The Sugar Daddy website?
I've thought about it.
Yeah, it takes a long time.
Really?
I'm not going to lie.
Because you have to weave through the guys that are just trying to text you, and then you have to weave through the guys that are actually going to pay you to go out.
Yeah.
Do they not pay like just to talk to you?
You have to find the right one.
Yeah, I think that's why you have to weave through them.
I was going to say, because like on OnlyFans guys just pay to talk to me.
But I have thought about doing that because I think that'd be fun, honestly.
Pay me to go out to dinner with you and you pay for dinner.
Double whammy.
Yeah.
What about you?
Right now I'm single.
I was in a two-year relationship that just recently ended.
The relationship, I would say, was fairly great, but I think I just kind of wanted to get my career going.
And again, being in Fresno, there wasn't that much opportunity.
So I wanted to move out here.
And I scored the job.
We try to do long distance.
And he was super supportive about it.
Never once did he fight me about it, which I honestly greatly support.
I think it's awesome that he did that for me.
But again, the distance was hard.
I wanted to see him all the time.
Gas was taking, God, outrageous amount because it kept on increasing.
Oh my gosh.
So then it just not, it didn't work out, which was unfortunate.
But yeah.
And with the dating apps, I used that to kind of meet people out here because I didn't know anybody.
I have no family, no friends out in Santa Barbara.
So that gave me some outlets for like, you know, seeing some cool spots out here.
So that's primarily why I use the dating app.
But I noticed that it wasn't really successful in the like long-term relationships.
Definitely.
So you're previously on the dating app, but no longer.
No longer.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Got it.
And then seeking arrangements at all.
I didn't even know what that was.
I really didn't.
Have you ever had a Sugar Daddy situation?
No.
Okay.
No.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I'm single.
I think my longest relationship was about nine months.
And I'm on Tinder Hinge.
I have been on seeking arrangements, but I found that they're easier and safer and better ways to find what you need to find regarding that platform.
So have you found what you need to find off of Seek?
Not on Seeking, but more organically?
Yeah.
So Sugar Daddy.
You have a Sugar Daddy.
No, currently.
You've had.
Oh, but in the past.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
How successful was that?
Yeah, can you tell us about how'd you find him?
Can you tell us about the arrangements?
Way I posted a video on TikTok.
I was a minor at the time.
It was a month before my 18th birthday.
You're like, you gotta wait.
I posted a video and I was wearing this dress, and I didn't really watch it.
I swear to God, I watched it a million fucking times before I posted it because I'm obsessed with myself.
And obviously, I want to watch the video.
And so I just, it was like a little dancing video.
And all of a sudden, I realized I was getting like a lot of views and a lot of likes.
I was like, what the fuck?
Like, this is so random.
Like, and then I go and I look, and everyone in the comments is like, turn your screen up, like, turn your brightness up.
And I had a nip slip.
Oh, my God.
That's a yikes.
It was a yikes.
It's a yikes.
You know what?
But a month later, you got to show me a lot of money.
My daddy was getting paid $1,000 a month to just talk to him.
And I used Bella Thorne's feet pics.
And no way.
He was like, send me some feet pics.
No, I was like, don't worry.
You're like, okay, here you go.
She's got some.
We love a good foot fetish.
Are your feet pretty similar to Bella's?
Not at all.
No.
Okay.
He didn't know.
He wouldn't know.
Yeah, he wouldn't know.
He wouldn't know.
Yeah.
So he was paying you $1,000 a month just for you to send him feet picks.
Feed pics, constantly talk to him.
Unfortunately, I did have a full-time job at the time and I was in school.
So it was just kind of a lot.
Yeah.
When they're constantly texting you, like, I'm on my shift, and they're like, no, you need to call me now.
No, you need to call me now.
It's like, no, I'm working.
And he's like, well, this is work.
I was like, you're right.
Goodbye.
I quit.
Did you ever meet up in person or was this all digital?
He lived two states away.
Two states away?
Never saw him.
You should have told him, if you want me to text you that much, then you need to up my payment.
I did, and he was like, ooh, no.
And I was like, well, that's great.
That's final.
You got it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
And so you guys, did he ever push for the meetup or no?
He asked a few times, but I just, I don't know him.
Okay.
I'm not going to get flown out.
So you just sent him feet pics or did you send him nudes too?
No nudes.
No nudes.
Just feet a couple feet picks?
Feed pics.
I would find like pictures off.
Well, I did send nudes, but they weren't ever mine.
It was like pornheads.
I didn't know how to ask.
Oh, yeah.
They were never mine.
That's great.
The funny thing is that I'm going to be able to do it.
Do you want to give him my shirt?
Like, it's scammers of the world.
United.
Here, wait, hold on, Eric.
Exactly.
Go, yeah.
Scammers of the world unite.
Yeah, we accept all credit card payments.
What is the art underneath?
What is that?
Oh, I don't know.
It's some demon child.
What's that?
He's plotting.
He's cute.
Let me tell you.
Sorry, I was trying to show your shirt.
And so you were 18, though, when you were sending all this stuff.
Okay.
Okay.
And that was your only arrangement with someone who's like, yeah, I just like, you know, you get kind of bored.
You just want to fuck with someone.
And I got paid.
Some fun.
Damn, for $1,000 a week.
What do you think?
Not even my pics.
To me, I don't see the benefit of that.
What do you think was his motivation for the benefit for me or for him?
No, for me, as a guy, it's like, here's a girl.
She lives two states away.
A thousand bucks for a couple.
I think it's.
I know there's guys that do this, right?
But I'm trying to understand the motivation.
I actually have thought about this a lot myself, and I genuinely believe it's something going on with them.
I feel like if they're paying you, then they have this sense of control.
And usually it's a problem, like it's someone with deep-rooted issues, whether that comes to women or their own security.
And this is an assured way to have a pretty girl constantly talking to you, and they have to because you're paying them.
So it's control, it's attention, and it's just constant reassurance.
Exactly.
I think, honestly, no offense to anyone in the chat here.
I think anyone with a foot thing off rip, there's a little something funny going on.
Excuse me.
They definitely can go backwards.
What's wrong with them?
I mean, pretty feet, of course.
But what's wrong with liking feet?
There's nothing wrong with that.
I'm not going to lie, some feet can be cute, but other feet are horrendous.
And you never want to completely agree with you.
But like, you like, okay.
I like large labyrinths.
Exactly.
Some guys would probably not want that.
But then, like, some guys want big feet or something.
Well, you're right there.
There's definitely a lot of guys.
I do like a good toe sucking.
I'm going to be honest.
No way.
Okay, you have a foot.
So you have a foot fetish.
I will not suck on someone's toes.
I can never.
But someone can suck on my toes all they want.
I've had someone suck on my toes.
It's not, I have horror with it.
Okay.
It also might not be your like people's fault if they have a foot fetish.
Because like in your brain, where like your brain processes touch of your genitals, your feet are actually located right next to where the genitals are located, like in the map in your brain of where you feel touched.
So some people just like just like have their brain accidentally associate like feet with their genitals because they just happen to be right next to each other.
I guess that makes sense.
I shouldn't check.
That's not right there.
Should we judge?
I don't know.
Anyways.
Okay, so that's your only sugar daddy situation though that you've had.
Yeah.
Two states away, a thousand bucks a month, feet pics, convo.
Nude.
Okay, how long did it last?
Three months?
Three and a half?
Only three months.
Yeah, I was pretty sick.
So did you make because I think he was catching on.
Like, it was a lot of the same pictures.
He did like the Google reverse image.
Oh, he definitely isn't smart enough to do it.
He's like, yeah, let's do that though.
This is Bella's second.
Wait, how old was he?
Probably like early 50s, late 40s.
That's not bad.
Yeah.
That's not bad.
It could be older.
It could be worse.
All right, what about you?
My longest relationship was shy of two years.
I'm currently single.
Ish.
Kind of.
I have a sneaky link, but we're not sneaky.
But like, we're both not ready to be in a relationship.
So I don't know.
I'm single.
And then what was the other one?
Or is that it?
Dating apps.
Dating.
Oh, dating apps.
I was on Tinder, but I'm currently, it's deleted.
I only downloaded it again so I could send pictures to, yeah, you'll catch on later.
And then, yeah, no, not on dating apps.
Okay.
I'm single.
My longest relationship was a year, and I'm not currently on dating apps.
Okay.
So those of you who said you're single, do you have a sneaky link, though?
Yeah, technically.
I mean.
I'm sorry, what is a sneaky link?
It's like a consistent hookup, but it's the same person.
Yeah.
Shoot, no, I wish, honestly.
So there's not been any guy recently?
No.
Yeah, no.
We love an independent woman.
Yeah, I mean, I wish that kind of would change, honestly.
Okay, her DMs are open.
Yeah, you.
Oh, go ahead.
Do you have a sneaky link?
Do you have a sneaky link?
You got a guy you're seeing.
What's the situation?
I think you do.
Yes and no.
I wish I didn't.
But you know what?
It's just so reliable.
It's like, I'm not.
You wish you didn't.
Let me call you up.
He's all right.
He's a little annoying, but you know what?
He doesn't.
Do you think he's watching right now?
Probably not.
How would he feel, though, if he was watching and he heard you just say those things?
He'd be like, I fucking knew it.
I knew she felt that way.
Okay.
Good times.
Well, we know you have a sneaky link.
Yeah.
No, I wouldn't say like sneaky link, how you're, how you mean sneaky link.
Okay.
I guess I wouldn't mean it that way either, technically.
Well, she's not seeing anybody.
I think that's what I'm getting.
I'm just going on like dates, but it's not like someone I have sex with regularly or anything like that.
Just like first, second dates.
Okay.
Good times.
So are you, any of you getting a little cold?
Eric, can you maybe close one of the doors?
All right.
So first topic of the day.
Can men and women actually be just friends?
Oh my God.
Let's start with you.
Okay.
Well, I feel like women can be friends with guys, but guys can't be friends with mixed or with girls.
Because I feel like guys tend to put themselves around girls they already find attractive.
So there's already like some sexual intention behind that.
And I feel like girls tend to become friends with guys who want to get with them, but they don't want to get with them.
Yeah, I feel like that's so common.
Like, because when I was friends with people in high school who were guys, like they all obviously wanted to sleep with me and they would make it really obvious, but I wouldn't want to get with them.
So that's my opinion on that.
I don't know.
It's kind of hard to say because originally I would probably say no, they can't be friends.
I think most cases, like you always develop feelings, whether it's one-sided or not.
However, like I do have one guy friend and we've always remained friends for the longest time.
There's never been like any tendencies and he just recently got engaged and we're still friends.
And I'm cool with his fiancé and all that's great.
But like I think that's just like a rare, rare instance.
But I feel like most cases, it never works out that way.
Yeah.
I have many male friends.
I have no intention of having sex with them and they don't want to fuck me.
So yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not like, it's quite a middle school question you have there.
I don't add hominin, but okay.
Yeah.
I don't think if you are into someone that you're friends with, then you're not friends with them.
So that's a whole other situation.
If you're friends with someone, then you're friends with them.
If you're into them and attract them, that's not a friendship.
That's a crush and they're friends with you.
Yeah.
So that's a completely different category.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you can, you can say that, but the thing is, is that a lot of, and I sort of agree with her on this in that women, I suppose, could be friends with men.
And this isn't everyone, right?
But I think a lot of the times when you have male-female relate platonic relationships, you often find that the guy secretly wants to get with a girl.
I'm sure you guys have maybe had instances where you've had male friends and you might be friends with them, but you know, if given the opportunity, he would sleep with you.
Well, yeah, and then I wouldn't be friends with them.
That's part of the point.
If a man wants to sleep with me, I'm not going to be friends with them.
But they might not be upfront about it.
Oh, yeah.
We always know.
We pretty much always know.
We always know.
Do we really act on it, though, or do we like continue to let it slide?
And then he gains more feelings.
I don't know.
I've been in that situation too.
I'm like, maybe I should have just cut it earlier.
I don't know.
That's how I feel right now.
Because it's funny that you brought this up because I used to have a whole group of guy friends.
And I genuinely, none of them wanted, like, I didn't want them.
They didn't want me.
Maybe like one, but I had already known that and we had already been through it.
We knew that that was out and like whatever.
But then the other day, like, or like two weeks ago, I started talking to this guy again.
And like we were friends.
And he made it very, very known that like I'm not like trying to sleep with you or get with you or any type of way.
And I was like, okay, yeah, cool.
Like me either, you know?
But then, like, he started to give those hints that, like, oh, I know that you're so, I know you have such nice facial features.
And I'm like, why is that the way you're going to tell me I'm pretty?
Like, you were going to say I have nice facial features.
And then like, your eyebrows, you're so nice.
I was like, how do I do that myself?
And I'm like, yeah, because then you go on to the topic about like, you know, but do I let it slide?
And like, I have been letting it slide this past couple of days.
And like, literally last night, I think he invited me over and he was like, honestly, like, I'm going through shit.
Like, I just want someone to like talk to.
And I was like, you know what?
Yeah.
Like, I also do need someone to talk to.
But then he turned it into like, I want someone to cuddle with.
And I'm like, I'm not answering your text message.
Call your mom.
Like, call your mom.
T-Dog, what do you think?
I heard a quote one time that I do think is true.
It was something like, your guy best friend or the girl best friend for guys is just like the stand-in until you get a boyfriend.
Yeah.
And I'm, I don't, I kind of think, I don't know, I feel like that kind of happened to me like at one point.
Not, it might not be like as like, it might even not even be intentional.
Yeah.
But just having guy, I don't know, having friends of the opposite sex, I got to be honest, I feel like it fills in that like validation attention gap that is a win-win for both people.
But I do think there's always like inherent sexual attraction there.
And then that's part of what makes, what is a friend?
It's someone you enjoy being around.
So honestly, maybe you enjoy getting that like validation and attention from someone from the opposite sex.
I feel like it just also depends on your personality.
Because like me, when I get with someone, I cut off anyone that I have feelings for in like a sexual sort of way.
Yeah.
Because like I don't even want to give myself the chance to like fuck mess up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think it just depends how you are as a person, like who you choose to surround yourself with.
Because, you know, you don't always have to surround yourself with people that like you're going to find sexually attractive.
If you just have a good time, you can just be friends.
Yeah.
Also with that like personality thing, it does depend on your personality.
I, when I go to a guy, they'll know if I like them.
Yeah.
And they'll know if I'm like, you're my fucking boy.
Like it's not.
How would they know?
What?
How would they know?
What would you do?
It's just how you come off.
If a guy comes to you and he puts you, hey, do you want to drink?
And then there's like, hey, can I get it?
It's subtle.
I mean, like, it's subtle and they know the situation and they do too.
If I come to you, I'm like, yo, what's up?
Exactly.
Let's go fucking toss around the like pig skin.
I don't know.
Like, I feel like.
That's very different than like, you want to come over later?
She tossed pigskins.
Yeah, regularly.
Okay.
It's funny though.
I feel like most girls actually talk more like a man when they're trying to establish that friendship.
Because you are like, okay, bro.
It's like, I broke.
I would never be caught dead saying that in public, like on a normal day.
But like when I'm trying to establish that friend, what's up, man?
Like, I'm just trying to smoke a doobie-dead.
Like, yeah.
I also find it unattractive.
Like, if you speak like that.
Somebody guys feel like she talks about the body.
Be turned off.
Yeah.
Some guys might misinterpret that, though, and think you're interested in that.
And maybe it's not these things.
I'm not getting it.
Maybe we're just not getting it.
But okay, so there's a bit of division here on this one.
So who thinks that men and women can be just friends?
It depends on the situation.
Okay, I generally think.
Is anyone willing?
Do any of you have like one or two really close guy friends?
I actually do.
Would you guys be willing to text them right now and say, hey, are you down to hook up or something like that?
I could never.
Organic.
Why?
Because if they say yes, they feel like they would all say yes.
Generally say no.
If they say yes to hooking up with you, are they really friends?
Okay, well, I'm not going to say that because they are friends with me and they would run in the other fucking direction.
No, you don't get it.
They would get it.
Why don't you just tell them?
Why wouldn't you just, why don't you just, you could just tell them like in two hours, like, hey, that was like for the podcast.
You could literally see me on the podcast being asked that.
Oh, I don't think she's worried about their repercussions.
No, I'm just worried about them being like weird that you would text me.
Like, that's weird that you would just be like, well, they won't think it's weird if you just tell them, like, someone told me to do it.
I mean, they would if you're like, oh, I'm doing a podcast.
I mean, then you have to wait, like, tell them that.
You don't even necessarily have to do it, but think in your mind: if you texted some of your male friends and you said, hey, you down to come over, cuddle, hang out, however, however, you would word it organically.
How many of them would say yes?
No, they would ask if I was drunk.
I would certainly ask if I was drunk.
They would be down for me.
And it's weird because I literally only go over, I sit on his bed, I watch Netflix while he sits on his computer and plays games.
Like, we're cool enough to, like, we just want each other's presence, and then, like, eventually we'll talk, but then, like, we're disconnected because I'm on Netflix, he's playing games, and then no, but I know that, like, if I text him that, like, I see where you are, yeah.
I used to be friends with, like, this big group of guys when I was with my ex last year.
And I hung out after my ex and I had broken up.
I started hanging out with my one of my guy friends from my friend group.
And I like saw that he was trying to make moves.
And like, there was one point where we're like watching a movie together, we're on the bed, and I wanted to sit like not on the bed.
And he's just like, you know, I want to stretch my legs out.
Can we go the other direction?
And I'm like, okay.
So, like, I, I don't know.
It depends.
Like, sometimes the guys won't won't act like they want you.
And then once you're available, they'll be like, hop on that, you know?
Because, like, as soon as they find out you don't have a boyfriend, then they're like quick with it sometimes.
I feel like.
Because they know that they're the placer or like they're the holder until you get into another relationship.
Okay.
So, is anyone down to test that out right now?
I can do a little quick text message to one or two of your guy friends.
Don't make it seem like make it seem like it's legit, you know.
So if it's legit, it's going to take me a minute.
I would be like, hey, what are you doing?
And then, like, yeah, yeah, I feel like it would be, it's hard to like, bam.
If it was actually, I don't think they would believe it if she was like, would you be down?
Did you hook up?
And I feel like him writing it would be like something, someone stole her phone.
Or you could be like, hey, are you down to come over tonight?
What about like a what are you doing tonight winky face?
Yeah, I guess that's what are you doing later tonight, winky face, where it's not like super overt but it's kind of yeah, do you want to come?
Oh, my god, this is so embarrassing because, like the group of guy friends I have, they're all besties so I know damn well they're gonna take a screenshot and send it to their group chat.
But you can explain his dad is obviously not my father, but you can explain it to it.
No, I mean literally, if I did it, it would.
It would not serve a purpose, like at all.
So they would say yes, he would say definitely no, and he'd be thrown off.
His fiancé would probably send like, oh yeah no, don't do that.
This is what I got.
No, I feel like fiancé.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm pleased out, I'm talking about your single male friends.
Oh, I got an answer.
Single male friend sorry no no, obviously your male friends that have partners are gonna.
I mean, I don't know what's.
What did he say?
He said huh.
And then he sent a picture of Luke Skywalker and then said no, you're autistic.
Okay, so there you go.
Like what did you write?
I said, are you done to hook up on free tonight?
Lol.
Straightforward.
Okay.
That's nice.
He kind of confirms it.
I'm just like, purr.
Do you want to try it?
I don't have any guy friends.
Oh, you don't have any guy friends.
Okay.
I literally texted him.
I was like, hey, what are you doing?
What are you doing later tonight with the wiki fist?
He said, who is this?
That's a yikes.
Because we're not like that.
He said, no, I'm gay.
See, you're not like that.
Okay, wait, I'll try someone.
Okay, Trisha.
Do you want to try?
I don't have any guy friends at the moment, or I'm not guy friends with him.
He's guys that I would be friends with.
I do actively know who probably just want to get with me.
So, yeah.
Candace in the chat says that you ruined it because you said LOL.
Okay, Candace.
What's up?
Shout out to Candace, the fucking top, one of the top mods.
Okay, we're going to move on from that, but sort of related.
And if you guys want to send the text and let me know once you get a response, but do you guys related to this?
Do you think it's a red flag or a concern if someone that you're pursuing has a really close friend, a best friend maybe, that's of the opposite sex?
Is that a deal breaker or a red flag?
Oh, I say yes personally.
Yeah.
Because I've been there.
I've been the girl best friend.
I was like, I like had, you know, just guy friends for a while.
And yeah, no, honestly, it is, it is, it's us.
They're probably, yeah, yeah.
But especially if it's a best friend, like, yes, that's my answer.
I say also yes, because like the guy was talking about that, like, I lay on the bed and then he watches or he plays games.
Like, we've had a thing for like a while.
Like, we go off and on to like being hookups and then like he's in a relationship, I'm in a relationship.
As soon as we both break up, like, that's our, like, we're go-tos, but we're also best friends.
Like, when we're in relationships, we're still cool and we respect each other's boundaries.
But then, as soon as you're ended, then like we get together.
So, like, I just don't trust it.
Cause like, I just feel like you never know if it's a best friend, then, like, you guys are best friends for a reason.
And, like, maybe you don't see each other physically, but then eventually, like, maybe at one point, like, you like each other's personality so much that like something could happen.
Yeah, that makes sense.
No, I don't know.
Um, I think it depends on both the person of the opposite sex in question and the person that I'm interested in.
If I trust this person completely and I know their personality is like, oh, this is just a person I'm friends with, or if, like, you're kind of one of those playa guys and we're in a relationship, and your best friend's like a cute little blonde.
That's a no for me.
Okay.
Yeah.
I would say the same best friends, total sus.
And in fact, I felt I've been the girl best friend, and that's the one, the fiancé.
Yeah.
And I had to establish such a hard, like, I was very like adamant about establishing a friendship with her because I just did not want her to think like there was going to be something that was going to turn up a bit.
And yeah, but again, I think it's just a circumstance of who it is.
Yeah, I feel like you can tell by like the guy you're trying to get with and like who the girl is.
Like if you were coming up to me as like the girl best friend and we're like, hey, I want to be friends with you.
I'd be like, I'd feel more comfortable.
You know, I would appreciate that because you're understanding that it could be a weird circumstance and you want it, you're acknowledging it.
So it makes me feel more comfortable.
And like, you know, though.
You can know.
Yeah, you know.
You can know.
Yeah, you can know.
There was a girl, the girlfriend, you know, homegirl that one of my like exes used to have.
And one time I'm in my boyfriend at the time's room, like under the cover, she doesn't know I'm in there.
She comes in drunk, comes in, like, like super drunk, sits on his lap, is like, oh, I love you, blah, blah, blah.
Like my ex's name.
It's like, whatever.
Just sits on his lap.
Sorry for slaying the table.
I literally get up, walk out there, and I slam the door.
Like, and she tries to come in to put her phone.
Like, she's like, Can I charge my phone in your charger?
I pick up the phone I got to.
It's like, I'm sorry.
His, he's, like, using his phone right now.
The charge is broken.
Like, you can have it back.
Just, yeah, no.
I'm just saying, right?
And it's like, yeah.
I just want to get girls that go out of their way to when they first meet, be like, oh my god, you're his girlfriend.
Like, you're so beautiful.
I've heard so much about you.
I just want you to know none of us girls that live with him would like see him that way at all.
That's the girl I was trying to get with.
Yeah.
I was like, no one wasn't buying that.
Why are you bringing it out of it?
No, brings it up as the girl getting with your boyfriend.
That's like totally different.
Yeah, because if you're already acknowledging it, you're like, why are you even thinking that?
Right.
Especially if they're drunk.
I just feel like a lot of the time it's like the drunken truth or like they're just trying to drunk and like have their true intentions.
Drunk thoughts.
Yeah, exactly.
So like, unfortunately.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
I think it's a pretty big red flag if they have like a really close male best friend.
Best.
I'm using quotes here on the friend part because I had a recent experience actually.
Scroll told I'd seen this girl for a little bit.
This was probably a couple months back.
And she said she had a really close male friend and they've known each other for years, blah, blah, blah.
Just platonic.
Oh, no.
Right.
I've seen her for three months.
And then, but like, there's some like kind of shifty shit.
I was like, some weird shit going on.
Just like, I don't know.
And so turns out he had a major thing for her.
And then like they end up, he asks her out and then they end up being they start dating.
They start dating.
Yeah.
Just friends, by the way.
They were just friends, but then they start dating.
And obviously it ends with me and her.
But so that's so sad.
I'm so sorry.
Damn.
I overfing her.
Did she have a big labia?
Is she 4'11?
She didn't have a big labia, but she was like five feet.
So not 4'11, unfortunately.
She was too tall for me.
I think that's the big issue there.
You to look up to her.
Yeah, way too, way too.
Yeah.
We're gonna react to this next thing here.
Eric, can you pull up the Kim K thing?
It's the Fortune website.
I'm not gonna lie, I love Kim Kardashian.
I love all the Kardashians.
That's a yikes.
Eric, can you make sure?
Is the audio on Jenny's?
Not Caitlin, though.
Actually, Eric, before you pull it up, let me get these soup chats.
I'll get that one next.
Hold on.
We got Janvier.
Sorry, I can't pronounce that.
Thank you for the $10 soup chat, man.
Appreciate it.
What do guys feel about...
I'm like, hold on.
Let me re...
Let me read this in my mind before I read the rest of this shit.
I feel like guys are always pursuing.
Oh, okay.
I think this is maybe a fair question.
What do guys feel about black women?
I mean, bro, you're digging here for something.
I feel like guys are always pursuing blonde white girls and not consider other options.
Should men try to expand their options?
Of course.
Why not?
Yeah.
Well, they've been shown that.
That was the beauty standard for so long.
And if you grow up with this being the beauty standard, a blonde white woman, obviously you're going to approach that.
So all we need to do is put the blondes to the side for a couple minutes.
Like, it's okay.
I mean, you're all right.
I think she's not acting.
We're not actually blondes.
There's headlights.
No, it's not even that.
It's just like we're constantly showing in Victoria's Secret.
They didn't even say anything, but go off.
Go.
Say it.
Oh.
She's... She's...
Shots fired.
No!
No, okay, no.
I'm not saying anything about you specifically.
I'm saying about the representation in the media is consistently Caucasian blonde skinny women.
And that was a good point with Victoria's Secret.
The long story, they had like a black woman on there, what, like five years ago when they started?
They just started having bigger women in Victoria's Secret.
And men are shown, well, this is Victoria's Secret.
This is what hot women are.
Like, these are Victoria's secret models.
Well, hold on.
I'm not sure about that one.
What part of it?
You said the big women thing?
Victory's secret.
There's no big women.
Yeah, there's one.
Race.
Paloma, Alesser, or Essler.
The girl that was on Sports Illustrated.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think we should be glamorizing obesity.
I didn't at all say that.
That's not even what I'm simply saying that I'm not going to be able to do that.
There are naturally about women obesity.
I'm saying that we're big, skinny, blonde girls.
That's all we're shown.
So that's all we think is pretty.
Now?
Even me growing up.
I have naturally curly hair.
It takes a lot for me to lose weight.
I am a brunette and I am white, which is already privileged.
But growing up, I literally fucking hated myself because I wasn't like these skinny little white blonde bitches.
Exactly.
I think, yes, media still continues to push white, skinny, blonde women.
But I think our generation is trying to change that.
Definitely.
I think we're still struggling to establish that other than that standard is beautiful.
Exactly.
But I think there's an attempt to kind of bring that more to media and more to the beauty standard because I think all people are beautiful.
And also it's not even just, I think the fact that we have to even acknowledge that like, oh, we should be paying more attention to people of color, people of minorities, it's just like, I think even just go for it.
No shit.
Shouldn't we even ask that already, though?
Why is that even an argument?
Why is that even a conversation?
Why do we need to rebuttal that complete statement that is completely necessary?
I mean, we, as white people in the world, like, we're a minority.
Do you know how many Asians there are?
Way fucking more than us.
So why are we the people to dictate what's going on?
Wait, I'm confused.
Yeah, you must be there.
No, I'm just kidding.
I'm only saying.
What about the Asian people?
What?
I'm just saying, if you look at races, white people, there aren't the most white people in the world.
You know what I mean?
In the United States?
No, in the world.
Okay.
There's more than the United States.
Yeah.
I don't know.
We are.
Yes, white people are amongst the world population.
We are.
But in that world population, we aren't the majority.
So what I'm saying is anymore.
Well, we've never been the majority.
I feel like.
No.
The Chinese population is over a billion.
The Indian population is over a billion.
Exactly.
White people have never been the majority.
That's exactly what I just said.
So thank you for clarifying that.
But so what's your point?
Well, my point is I'm confused as to why we have to push us being the beauty standard.
And it's not like, this is where this conversation comes from where it's like, well, we should have more people of color in there.
We should have more people.
have you seen television ads in the past year it's like it's increased like crazy there's you actually try try finding a white male i never in a tv ad in the past two years But then OxyClean.
OxyClean?
Like, are you fucking with me?
I love that shit.
But then if you think about it, how long were white people being pushed into advertising and all of that?
Well, I mean, the United States is predominantly white.
Well, I know, but at the same time, as what you're saying right now is like, well, we have them.
So what's the problem?
That's what I'm hearing from you is like, well, they're already there.
So what's the problem?
That's not what I said.
Well, that's what I'm hearing.
I don't have that.
So if you could think about that.
If you want to put a person of color or a woman in an ad, that's totally fine.
No, I know, but you're saying, well, we already have them there.
So what's the problem?
That's kind of what I'm getting.
I think he was just saying that like recently it seems like less like there have been a lot of advancements and it's like lesser problem as it would have been like 10, 20, 30 years ago.
So you're saying this class is a lot of fun.
You're saying that maybe growing up you didn't see a lot of dark-haired women or women of color or whatever it is in advertisements and that certainly might have been the case in the past, but I think it's changed.
There's quite a bit of diversity in advertisements in media.
Well, yes, but that doesn't change how people feel.
Because personally, like what are we talking about?
That doesn't change how should men date women.
Oh, yeah, the sound.
Super Chad.
I mean.
Yeah.
I mean, why does it have to be?
Why does it just have to be white and black girls?
Because I'm Native American.
I have yet to see commercials and stuff advertising.
I'm not a Native American person.
I literally run away.
I only have one girl that I know that is actually well known in the community where she is on billboards and is in runways, but that's only one out of how many?
I have yet to see that.
So I don't know.
So you think that we should be not just including African American people, but also the other minorities that might not always be Indian, Native American, Asian, like all of them.
And I just don't have yet to see.
I feel like it's just turned into more of like pushing colored people means pushing like black people.
Not trying to like be messed up, but like.
Oh, no, I hear what you're saying.
Well, just because like, I have yet to see a native or an Indian or an Asian, and like they're not, and this means, like you mean like black people are being racist by like no, not at all no, that's over, not at all.
I just hit what people like I get.
I get like what you're trying to say, but like yeah, I also feel just like as a white person.
I don't feel educated enough to like be talking about like statistics.
I feel like I probably can't have the best answer about like what I see in media, because probably what's advertised to me is white girls, because that's probably the products I'm gonna use.
If I'm gonna buy makeup, it's gonna be makeup.
That yeah is to my.
Yeah, we would.
That's a good point.
Well, I think my original kind of like thing was not about race as so much as you mentioned Victoria's Secret and you mentioned overweight, obese women.
I never said obese, I said bigger and they're not obese, they're just naturally obese.
I mean, you're wearing a XL t-shirt so I can't really assess you, but I don't.
I don't suspect you're obese thing.
So look, I wouldn't be in a Victoria Secret ad.
You might.
What do you mean?
You wouldn't be?
I would not fit the requirements to be in a Victoria Secret ad and I'm not obese, I am bigger women canceled.
So I think, like we that would even not Victoria Secret or what so then learn, even in anything a pack, sound like any fucking ad, like it's just.
I think we have made.
I mean, have you seen like the Victoria Secret ads?
Recently Calvin Klein made like a.
They have like made like a really active push to have like bigger women on there, women of color and a person, the one with standards, Standards to be like how tall you are.
They're only doing that because they've been literally egged on for fucking years.
They're not doing this out of the kindness of their own hearts.
They're doing this to make money and to hope that people come to their stores again.
They are businesses.
Yeah.
But to me, I think it's pretty shocking that, I mean, when you think of a Victoria's Secret model, you think of a certain thing.
I mean, what was the thing with the sports illustrator?
I don't think that's shocking at all because they all look the same.
They all do.
That's exactly what you do.
There are requirements on their website.
I'm talking about like the overweight.
There was a runway model who's Victoria's Secret recently.
Why do you have to say overweight?
Why can't you say bigger?
It was no runway for Victoria's Secret that's overweight because Victoria's Secret stopped doing runways years ago.
Yeah, because they got canceled years ago.
I'm pretty sure, Eric, can you try to find those?
Can we like see a phone?
Victoria's Secret.
What about the Fendi shows?
Like, those are different.
That's Rihanna.
She's trying to push it.
I mean, look at how many shades she made.
Like, if you have a show, she knew she was a woman of color.
I'm not a representative, guys.
I was just saying, isn't that a good thing that Finny is like popular?
It is, but you also have to understand that it didn't come from Rihanna.
And she knew that they were loving different.
I don't think she's trying to go against it.
I was just saying, like, isn't that great that Finnish is a little bit different?
Well, I was also going to bring up we have black-owned businesses leading the beauty industry.
That's what I'm saying.
I was going to bring up skims.
Skims, because she also kind of does the same thing.
Hold on, guys.
Eric, can you pull up, actually search for the Calvin Klein, say, plus-size ad and just show us all the search results under images.
What?
Oh, sure.
Scroll down.
Pull up that very first one, the New York Post one.
All right, she's obese.
What classifies obese?
She's obese.
I mean, you're.
Do you have her doctor on the line?
She is.
I have eyes.
So I don't think we should be glamorizing obesity.
I don't think glamorizing obesity.
You just have to understand that there are certain, there are so many people that will look just like her.
That doesn't mean she's obese, but then she need to remember.
She's by definition obese.
Also, that are her size that also want to buy Calvin Klein.
And before they couldn't, and now they're advertising that they actually are capable of putting out a lot of people.
You just said it yourself.
You just said it yourself.
They're businesses.
So they're going to advertise in the way that'll make them money.
A lot of their clientele are people of this size.
So why would they not put them in their ads?
Exactly.
What is only white?
What people are allowed to buy?
Obese have to do with anything.
Yeah.
It's just, that's the size she is.
You want to see your size also being represented and know that you can also go and buy the same products as other people.
Yeah, I get what you're trying to get at because I know what Brian's trying to get at here, but I feel like this is a bad example because Calvin Klein are just selling to their audience that their audience is fat.
Definitely.
Oh, like weighs more than they are advertising to people that weigh more.
I know you're talking about glamorizing, which is like.
Let's talk about finances.
I'm not even convinced that this is necessarily going to make them more money.
I realize that they're businesses and it's corporations and obviously they want to make money, but you have to understand that corporations have been infiltrated by these sort of by the woke movement and by these diversity, what is it?
D-D-E-I, diversity, equity, inclusion.
I don't know what it's called.
But so it's not clear to me that they're actually making more money by doing this.
I think it's about acknowledging inclusivity.
I don't think it's glamorizing whatsoever, but it's acknowledging like, hey, you can still buy from us.
We want to make sure that you know you feel comfortable and that you're included in what we're trying to sell.
And I think that's why they're promoting more with girls who are bigger than like the normal size or girls who aren't just white.
Okay.
Sorry.
I totally agree with that, but I think it's a Donovan effect, especially with businesses.
I agree with you.
I don't think that necessarily it will increase their revenue.
However, I do think the media affects.
their whole business.
If the media doesn't agree with you, they will rip you to shreds and goodbye to your business.
If you go along with what people want you to be advertising, then maybe they'll buy your product, but that consideration is worth something versus just an no.
Okay, I have a question for you guys.
Say that if you're a smoker and you feel like shamed in society, should we have like advertisements glamorizing like cigarettes and things like that to make people who do smoke feel more glamorous, feel like more welcomed and like they can just, they can live their life how they want to live their life, even if it's actually killed.
I personally think that is a completely far-fetched comparison.
I feel like smoking as a substance, it's obese.
Excuse me.
Smoking as a substance, obesity is something that you live in.
We don't need the attitude.
We don't need the attitude.
There's no attitude.
Just the way you said, excuse me.
Just like, if I interrupted, that's fine, but go ahead.
I don't need the attitude.
Go ahead, continue.
Okay.
Just the way you said, excuse me, is like, go on.
I was, okay.
Continue.
Anyway, I feel like smoking is a substance.
And yes, food is a substance as well.
It's something that you ingest and you choose to do, but you don't walk around and you don't look at someone.
If they don't have a cigarette on them, you don't know they're a smoker.
If you look at someone who's obese, you know they're obese.
So they live with that constantly, all the time.
But why, why is if it's something they can control and they can like not be obese if they want to not be obese, then it's not that past actually because of severe mental illness.
It's not easy to quit smoking either.
But that doesn't mean we should keep glamorizing smoking.
But you agree we're glamorizing people who are like overweight?
Also, I don't think we should put a negative connotation on calling someone fat.
Like I think it's our choice to if you're fat and skinny are just descriptive words.
I don't think there needs to be a negative connotation.
So like if a woman is fat, like that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing.
I don't feel like advertising women who are fat or overweight, like, I don't feel like it's glamorizing it.
And just like, I don't think, personally, I don't think putting a skinny woman is glamorizing it either, but like that's just how media portrays it.
Yeah.
If you don't think putting skinny women and only skinny women as models in ad isn't glamorizing being skinny, then I thought that's what we were saying earlier, is that we grew up in the 2000s, everyone in a magazine was skinny and to us that felt like glamorizing, that's what we thought was okay.
Because I feel like glamorizing and enforcing a beauty standard are very different things.
And also to a certain point, after so many years of pushing that standard, then why can't we have more of a diverse community being shown and portrayed?
Because that's what you walk around with every single day, but that's not what you see in ads.
Yeah.
So we should, so like, so does that mean we should have ads for like other things that are just unhealthy?
Mind thing is just like the unhealthy part of it.
So like that means it's important to have ads with people doing heroin.
A certain population of the like a certain percentage of the population does heroin, like does things that are like plenty unhealthy.
Does that mean that that's what we should be like promoting in advertisements?
But that's also different.
That's very different.
I don't think that's a good idea.
It's like heroin you're going to get addicted to, but like when you're also obese, some people are just naturally born like that.
And when they grow up, they end up, they just can't get out of it because that's what they've been born into and that's all they know.
Or chronic illness.
Or they don't have the ability to lose weight.
PCOS.
But a lot of women know about that.
Sorry.
Eating disorders, binge eating disorders, those can stem from other places that aren't addiction to food.
It can come from serious shit that happened in your childhood and you rely on this to help you.
It's an illness, agreed, but it's not completely the same as things like a cigarette.
They're two definitely illnesses, definitely substances, but they're two very different things.
Well, I think the cigarette comparison is actually quite apt because we've taken steps to stop cigarette advertisements.
Yeah, good point.
Because we have, okay, so we saw that.
Okay.
Let me just add one thing really quick and then I'll.
And I think you can actually make the argument that obesity is a much bigger problem now than cigarette smoking.
It's a far greater cause of early mortality.
I haven't looked at the stats, but I'm pretty sure more people die of obesity than of lung disease from smoking.
Yeah, sure.
So if we talk about like the United States, go back 50 years maybe, and a vast majority of the population smokes.
Everyone goes along with it.
It's glamorized.
It's normal.
It's, you know, people can't help it, whatever.
We finally have research that shows how bad it is for your health.
And then we go on a decades-long campaign that takes a long time to get smoking out of Calvin Klein ads because it's not, you know, it's not something that should be glamorized.
We put education in schools so people understand how bad it is for you.
And now we know that being overweight and obese has similarly catastrophic effects for your health.
Why are we not on a campaign now of like encouraging people in every domain to avoid having this lifestyle habit?
We definitely are encouraging it, just like we encourage people not to do heroin.
Is putting an obese woman on a billboard of Calvin Klein?
I don't think it's encouraging and you to want to have it.
Yeah, no one's like, it's not discouraging it.
Well, I think it's more about.
No one, if you're a fat person, never do you see an image of another fat person and say, thank God there's another fat person.
I feel so great about being fat.
I thought you guys just told me, though, I didn't see the point of having overweight women.
No, it was about the only one.
No, it's about showing that, you know what?
Other people can do this and they can be pretty and you still feel like shit.
You still feel like shit.
So if the ads don't do anything, why do we have them up there?
If it doesn't make people look like that, I don't know.
I'm not an obese person.
I have to think, I do think they want to feel included and I do think they want to see that image of themselves.
And I do feel like that makes them feel good to see it.
And on your point, I do agree on a health standpoint, we shouldn't be promoting that.
But it's like, where is the line where when people are being called unbeautiful or not beautiful, like, and we're supposed to agree with you, them and say, like, okay, you're not just because you're overweight.
But yeah, on a health standpoint, I do agree.
Like, at that sense, yeah, it's not healthy.
So like, how do you market that and get someone to be like, I feel good and it's okay for me to be that way?
Or they feel like shit at the end of the day.
I agree that I do, I don't think like shaming people, calling them ugly is a way to make people healthy.
I do strongly feel like you, to get to health, to like get to a healthy weight, it has to come out of self-love, not self-hate.
But I don't think like the more that we say it's okay to be obese, you can feel welcome and included in like American society being obese.
I just, you know, I don't know if people understand how diabetes, you can lose your limbs when you have diabetes.
It's something that's not a choice, though.
Yeah.
Sometimes you just limit diabetes.
But I don't know.
I don't think 60% of Americans have no choice but to be obese.
I don't know.
I feel like there is room there to, it takes a lot of work.
It takes a lot of motivation.
But demotivating cannot be, cannot be ultimately.
Look, the whole thing, some people have health, there's genetic predispositions, but for the vast majority of people who are overweight, it's calories in, calories out.
It's about choices.
So you can, I have mild hypothyroidism.
That makes it more difficult for me to lose weight.
But ultimately, if I'm not adhering to a strict diet, I'm going to gain weight.
So a lot of people, some people have, I've got injuries too.
That limits my ability to be more active, burn calories.
So, but look, it's ultimately, there's very rare diseases or medical conditions which would result in you being overweight and you having no control over it.
Calories in, calories out, calorie deficit, it's all that.
Let's move on just because we've been on this for a while.
He's Jan Vier there really managed to get us going.
Okay, we got Red Misfit.
Thank you for the $10 soup chat, man.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
For all the ladies at the table who say they're straight, how straight are you from a 1 to 10?
And if not 10, this is a fucking complicated question.
How about just are they, ask their sexual orientation.
How about that?
Are you bi, straight?
How do you lean?
I identify as demi-pansexual.
So I know I've been talking about guys a lot, but I wasn't sure how deep we were going to get into this.
I like all people, no matter how they choose to identify.
Girls, women, they, them, you know, whatever.
And I tend to have like, I like emotional connections with people.
So I like to get to know their personality and like who they are as a person if I actually like to be around them before I get with them.
Okay.
What about you?
Hmm.
Let's see.
Straight, bye.
Well, sorry.
Sorry.
I totally blinked with a bunch of.
I am completely straight.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
I was listening to everyone.
What about you?
I like guys and girls.
Okay.
Yasmin?
Bye.
Bye.
I'm straight.
Okay.
Rock and roll.
Sorry, we can't do the one to 10.
I feel like a bit much.
Thermal, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
Appreciate you, man.
Brian, how committed are you to the splitting dates argument?
Is it mostly a talking point?
You say you want a traditional woman, stays home, soft-spoken.
Shouldn't you act like a traditional man?
So I don't even like his women sleeping over.
Wait, what?
I feel like we need some insight.
You have one.
Well, there's a lot of things there, but I don't think I've ever actually said that I necessitate, well, the stays home thing, I don't really care.
I would do a 50-50 with the right person.
I also wouldn't have an issue being the sole breadwinner and providing and having a stay-at-home wife.
I'll do either.
I'll do 50-50.
I'll provide.
But the split it, what's that?
Would you be the stay-at-home?
Probably not.
But would you?
Well, he said probably not.
I would potentially be open to it, but I have my own business.
So she would have to be making a substantial monument.
This is your business.
Well, yeah, but I mean, I wouldn't be like not working.
I wouldn't be the primary caretaker of the children, let's say.
I mean, she'd probably have to be making a substantial amount of money for me to be willing to stay at home.
But like, the thing is, though, is like it's kind of, it kind of, most women would not be okay with that arrangement.
So it's like most women are not going to be okay wanting to be the sole breadwinner and have their husband be a stay-at-home father.
Why not?
Some women are.
I mean, women.
The vast majority of women are going to have a serious.
Most women are going to have a serious issue with.
Where's this information?
I would say.
Most women are going to have a major issue with that.
I think if you forced it upon them, they would have an issue.
Yeah.
I don't think just like a man would be like, well, I can't, if you don't have the facilities to completely provide for your family, you'd be really upset if your mom was like, well, or not mom, excuse me.
If your wife was like, you know what, fuck it, you can do this yourself.
Like, that's that's messed up.
But I wouldn't have a problem providing for a man.
There's always something else in the relationship that they're doing.
I mean, it's a quintessential stay-at-home.
Well, you say most, but like, I have no idea who you're talking about.
Well, okay, here's one thing, right?
So I would say most men can't even do the one-income household thing in today's society.
Yeah.
Because in today's society, unless you're a majorly high-earner, you need two incomes to raise a family, to buy a house.
So even with two incomes, a lot of people can't, well, especially in fucking California.
Good luck getting a house.
So most women, though, are not, even if they're high earners, are not going to go for a guy that's going to want to be in that situation.
I mean, maybe I'm biased because my mother was the main breadwinner and my grandmother and my grandmother.
So I don't know.
So was your dad a stay-at-home dad?
No, they were never together.
My mom had a husband.
Wait, your mom had a husband?
Yes.
That was not my father.
But what did he do?
Nothing.
He stayed at home?
He didn't do shit.
Wait, so then she's actually still paying him money because they got a divorce.
But how did he, like, how did, how was like, how did they pay for things?
Wait, I'm through my mom.
She was the breadwinner.
What kind of work was she in?
Vice president of a bank.
Okay.
All right.
So she was a high earner.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, wait, so you said you're not going to be a bad person.
You said that you're bio-father, not in the picture.
Was he previously married?
But he's just not in that relationship.
Yeah, he's a wife and he got divorced.
They were never together.
They were never together.
But okay, so you're, and then your mom remarried.
Yes.
Okay, got that.
So did my father.
Okay.
So your stepfather doesn't do anything.
No.
He actually, I don't think he even has a job now.
I think he's still living off my mom through the divorce activity.
Okay.
Well, I will say that's exceedingly rare.
It's not that rare.
I know a lot of people.
It's very rare.
It's very rare.
Well, I mean, it also depends on.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen.
Oh, 100%.
Yeah.
It certainly happens.
It's not preferred.
I wouldn't prefer to be the sole breadwinner of my family.
I'm already raising, I'm already giving birth to this child.
I don't think, I mean, this is an easy question.
Like, why would anyone prefer to be the sole breadwinner when you know for security reasons?
You would.
I mean, I've seen so many men just leave their wives and they have nothing.
Like, I'd rather be the sole breadwinner than be the stay-at-home.
It's actually the reverse.
Women leave their husbands more often than men leave their wives.
I'm not saying all.
I'm saying this happens.
But okay, you've seen it.
Just like I'm not saying every single woman wants to be the breadwinner.
I'm saying this happens.
Like you said about my case yeah, so okay.
Look, the thing is is that you can say that yes, it happens, but most women are gonna have an.
Most women are not attracted to men.
You, you ask a lot of women what they're attracted to, ambition successful career, high earner career ambitious, all these things right you, you hear that all the time.
I mean, here's the difference, a guy, a man who's an attorney, a man who's a doctor, he'll date a barista.
He doesn't care.
A woman who's an attorney or who's a doctor, most women in those positions they're not gonna date down, they're not gonna date a barista, they want to date someone on their level or higher.
What are you getting at?
Uh, i'm answering.
I think what he's saying is that, like which I, I personally don't agree with because, like I, as someone who's continuing to pursue a career, I don't really care about, like what the guy does, as long as, like he's healthy and happy and like doing something within his life to succeed himself, not necessarily that having to be a job, but something else that's he's continuing to pursue.
But i'm i'm guessing what you're saying is that women who tend to be in like a higher income job will also look for a partner who is also in a higher income job.
Yes yeah, a woman who's a litigation attorney is gonna want to pair off with someone on her level or higher, generally speaking, whereas a litigate, a male litigation attorney he'll date the baddie that works at Starbucks.
He does not care.
Well, I feel like that points out more about women and men, prioritize.
Yeah, that says more about men don't care.
Like well, that's just me, it's like I think nothing's wrong with that.
I don't think there's.
I think the women are smart for searching out for a man who makes money or whoever.
I mean, aren't you guys capitalizing on that all the time?
Man like, paid you a thousand dollars a month just to talk to you.
Like yeah, and I stopped because I wanted to do other things with my life.
I wanted to be the one paying.
Okay, you can do that.
I'm a, i'm gonna um yeah, that i'm gonna say i'm gonna be.
Yeah, i'm gonna be honest, like i'd be very happy supporting just myself.
And like, if my husband wanted to be stay-at-home dad or something like, you'd be okay with that?
Yeah no totally, if we, if it is financially stable to have that decision be made yeah, okay then, even when you're, do you want to have kids?
I want to.
I want to adopt?
Yeah okay, because I mean, for a lot of women they want to take a bit of time off during the pregnancy, after the pregnancy, so have to take some time off.
Yeah well, that's pto.
Yeah, so if you're the sole breadwinner during and let's say, you want to have multiple kids, that kind of yeah understandably, so you're the sole breadwinner, that means you're probably in a very high income job.
There are very, very rare amount of high income jobs where you can't get paid for your pregnancy and for that time off you will get paid.
It's called pto, it's.
I mean, if you break your leg, have a baby, it doesn't matter, you can get paid.
And if you're in a very high-income job, like likelihood is, you'll get that money.
Can I ask you guys a question?
And I know some of you are young, so you might not care so much about this.
But let's say, like, think you two are like 19, right?
Let's say maybe this, you might, it might be a big deal for you now.
Would you date a guy who lived with his parents?
No.
Right now?
Or like, what do you mean?
You can answer now and you can also say in like five years.
In the future?
Well, it depends if like the parents are living with him, but he's not making enough money, so he lives with his parents.
Yeah, I feel like at a certain point in your life, you should be doing something to pursue.
Okay, what about?
Actually, I think it completely depends on the situation.
I mean, I know a lot of people who are going through a lot.
Let's say they were a big lawyer once and now they have no fucking money.
They went bankrupt.
Something happens.
They're living with their parents.
Or they were an addict and they were in rehab and they need to get back on their feet.
There's so many things that can be honorable about your personality.
Your living situation is really one of the last things that's going to interest me.
I hope this isn't controversial, but honestly, drug addict is still not my first choice for like, but there are things that can happen to people where they have to get back up with their feet.
If you're a complete loser and you're rude and you have no motivation and ambition, then no, I'm not going to date you if you live with your parents.
But that goes for a woman that lives with their parents.
I'm not going to date you.
It's not just about men for me in my own case.
I agree.
If you're not doing something to get out of a situation where you can be independent and on your own.
Okay.
What about you?
Would you date a guy who lives with his parents?
I have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, but is it ideal?
Would you have a preference for someone who has like their own place?
I mean, it's nice if they have their own place, but at the same time, like literally, people go through different situations that like it's okay if you live with your parents.
It's not the biggest like, oh my God, you live with their parents.
Okay, I can't talk to you.
I mean, the whole drug, that's that is an example.
That's its own red flag.
That's its own red flag.
doesn't have to but it doesn't have to be a red flag because there are someone someone who's my parents were addicts and now she's a vp of a bank and my dad owns one of the most successful businesses in philadelphia like Like, we're fine.
I don't think that's a red flag.
They lived with their parents trying to get back on their feet.
That was simply something I threw into the air.
It was not the prioritized category.
Can people turn their lives around?
Yes, but yeah, I think for me and for a lot of people, if you were previously a drug addict, that's a red flag.
Well, and I completely understand that.
Addiction, like it's a lot of people.
Someone will and those traits will stay with you, of course, throughout life.
So I do agree with that 100%.
If someone was previously addicted to heroin and they're getting clean, no offense, I'm not pursuing that person.
They shouldn't be in a relationship.
I feel like that's a personal pay.
If you choose what you take off, exactly.
were we talking about we were talking about um would you would you date a guy who lives with his parents no No.
Okay.
So, I mean, right away, you're making a most guys, if she's attractive and if she's 20, 21, she's living with her parents, we don't give a fuck.
Actually, that's probably better.
Why?
It's better because she's probably not honed around as much.
I mean, you don't have to do that.
I mean, no.
I mean, it helps a bit.
It might help a tattoo.
So that makes you feel better.
Like, do you feel like very insecure in your relationship?
So if you see like a woman living with her parents, you're like, oh, maybe she won't cheat on me this time.
Is that kind of what I'm hearing?
It has nothing to do with insecurity.
Well, I mean, I think it does because I don't understand how a woman living with her parents has to do with her having sex.
Bring people over to my house when I hook up with them.
I go to their house.
That's not what I'm trying to say.
But if you're still living under your parents' roof, they still have some degree of influence over you.
No, they don't.
I don't think so at all.
They have to be honest.
I'm going to be deadass right now.
I live at home.
My dad has no shit to tell me.
I walk in the door.
He's like, hey, I'm like, hey, that's it.
That's lovely conversation.
He has no influence under me at all.
He's home.
I'm home.
We literally, we don't even eat dinner together.
We don't talk to you.
That's a yikes.
That's a major yikes.
Yeah, I'm not.
You're an adult.
I'm just only an adult.
I'm just being deadass right now.
You just said, you just said with your own father, you don't have, you don't talk to him, you don't eat dinner with him.
No.
That's sad.
That's uncomfortable.
That's also under my circumstances.
It could be cultural.
It's only ever been me and my dad.
And to a certain point, my dad has problems.
I have problems.
We've never really had an actual sit-down dinner.
Damn.
I mean, we won't get into that.
I'm just being honest, though.
But me living with my dad has no connection with what I go out and do, and he has no influence into it either.
I'm not saying it's a guarantee that if a woman lives with her parents, she's not a hoe.
I'm not saying that, but her parents can still be a positive influence in her life.
But it could be a positive influence.
Could be.
It's not a guarantee.
But just because it's a positive influence doesn't mean it is an influence where she's not going to be a hoe, because they can still have a positive influence and still go out and do what they want and come home.
I mean, if her father was an adult role model in her life, then.
Moral of the story: anyone can be a hoe.
Anyone can be a hoe.
Look, all right, so we'll get back to the.
Oh, wait, hold on.
Let me address the super chat, though.
So, we, okay, we were talking about you asked multiple questions here.
So, um, shouldn't you act like a traditional man?
Let me just remove the middle part because that's not, I've sort of addressed it, but how committed are you to splitting dates argument?
So, I'm pretty fucking committed to it.
Um, so the only scenario where I will pay for the first date where I'll pay for her is if I significantly outearn her, or she's just a young woman, you know, she's 20, 21, she's in college or whatever.
And I'm surprised to hear this.
I didn't know this was your thought.
So, you don't, um, you wouldn't pay for a girl's meal in the first date?
No, oh, really?
We'll split.
Okay.
I'll split the bill.
Do you tell her this beforehand?
No.
Okay, that's what I have the issue with.
I feel like if you acknowledge it beforehand, I think it's fine.
Yeah.
But if I also go by the role of like, whoever is asking out the other person, definitely.
So if I ask out a guy, I'm going to pay.
Yeah.
I like splitting.
Yeah.
Just let her know.
I split.
Yeah.
I'm fine with splitting.
Slitting's fine.
Just let her know.
Especially if it was the first date that you were saying.
Don't let her know each other.
I would let a guy know.
I'd be like, wait, can we split?
Do you let the bill come and then you let her know?
No, I do some gangster shit.
What do you do?
All right, here's what I do.
First off, I might arrive five minutes early or I might arrive on time and I know she's going to be 10 minutes late because that's that's how that's been my experience.
I'll be late for first dates.
Yeah, you're not.
You don't come pick her up.
Fuck no, I don't pick her up.
What if she asked?
Nah.
I'm not picking her up.
I'll tell him.
She can meet.
She can meet me.
She can meet me there.
No, it's just like, if the girl wouldn't be comfortable going over to my place for the first date, I'm not comfortable.
If the date goes bad, I'm not comfortable being your ride.
Okay, that's what I can understand.
I don't want to.
Like, if you're uncomfortable Coming to my place on the first date, I'm uncomfortable picking you up at your address, you getting into my car.
Like, we can meet in public for the first time.
Okay, that's fine.
Yeah, that's how I would always do it.
Just safety.
Yeah, I think that's fine.
I don't think, I don't think a guy, I certainly don't think guys always have to pay on the red flag.
I'm not going to give you my risk at any point.
Yeah, let's hear it.
But it's a really good sign.
Some women's really thoughtful.
That shows he's caring, generous.
Oh, it's.
By the way, this loses me women that I'm not willing to pay, but it's the hill I'm willing to die on.
So, okay, here's what you do, right?
You get there five minutes early.
Boys, listen up.
Listen up.
You get there five minutes early.
If it's a sit-down place where a waiter comes, sometimes I don't do dinner, no dinner dates, guys, but sometimes there's drink places where a waiter will come, like someone will come and serve you at a table.
So if it's like that, when the waiter comes, you're there early.
You're the only one there.
You tell them, hey, we're going to do separate checks, separate checks.
You tell them ahead of time.
That way, when you ask for the check or whatever, boom.
So you're too afraid to tell them?
I just don't understand why you're afraid to tell them.
Yeah, why are you scared?
I wouldn't have a problem with someone saying we're splitting a check on them.
Yeah, I would offer it personally.
What are you trying to figure out why not telling them?
It's just there's less, if you wait until if you don't establish that before your date comes, then there's just like an opportunity for a miscommunication or a mishap.
So I just tell the waiter up front, hey, we're going to be splitting checks from the get-go.
I'm just curious, has a girl ever like, I don't have cash?
Or like, has she ever responded or denied to pay the payment?
I mean, have you ever had trouble with that?
No.
No.
No, I think there's never been an issue.
Oh, I don't have a waiting.
I have a waiting for you.
I had a roommate back at home, and she told me a horrific story where she went on a first date.
And this guy, you know, same principal, he was like, I were planned on splitting a payment, but he took her to like a group event where he had all of his friends and their girlfriends.
So they're sitting at a round table, checks coming, so they're going to do the split payment thing.
And he basically was like, oh, crap, I totally forgot my wallet.
Oh, yeah.
You guys forgot their wallet.
And, you know, and he explained afterward, he was, he was thinking they're going to split it.
So he assumed that she had the money.
And she had to like tell this waitress, like, I did not bring my wallet.
No.
I don't.
And so, like, all these people at the table are just like looking at them.
Super awkward.
But I don't know.
I just feel like that could have totally been alleviated if someone just says, hey, just bring, you know, everybody just make your payment.
Like, I don't know.
Pay half.
Here's another method.
If it's not a situation where there's a waiter that comes up, like it's a bar, you go up, you go up to get the drink.
Again, you arrive early, you get your drink.
I'm not a big drinker.
I'll have maybe one drink max.
That's it for the night.
I'm not going to keep a tab open.
I'm going to get my drink.
I'm going to sit down somewhere else, not at the bar.
And then she comes in, you know, she's late, right?
She's going to be late.
And then I'm like, oh, hey, I already got my drink.
If you want to go ahead and get a drink, boom.
It's figured out.
That's actually pretty solid.
That would give me a pretty good indicator that I'm going halves.
Or, yeah.
Why don't you just communicate this to her?
I think that's very front before.
Why or when?
No, when.
Oh.
Before we even meet?
Whenever you want.
I mean, I'm not on your date with you.
So it's kind of up to you and how you feel about that person and being like, hey, like, just in your conversation, be like, hey, is it okay if we're going to be able to do that?
I don't know.
I think that's weird if you like.
So it's better to just not tell them.
And then let live.
No, it would be weird.
I mean, wouldn't I think every girl would like assume that you're.
No.
I put it on the wording.
If they're like, can I take you out to dinner?
Like, I mean, like, go to a group of girls and be, most of them are like, oh, what did my boyfriend get me?
Or what did my side guy get me?
And all that.
It's all about materials, like what they have, what they're going to get.
I mean, that's, I'm going to be very frank.
No, there's no way that they are going to want to pay anything.
And most chances are they're probably not going to bring their wallet.
So I think this principal here is going to come with a bunch of roller coasters.
I've maybe lost some women because of it, but it's honestly not been a major issue.
And most women bring their purse on a date.
I mean, I'm not picking them up, right?
So they've driven themselves.
Right.
Or they've taken the new bird.
They've got their whatever Apple Pay or whatever bullshit it is.
So I don't do food dates.
That occasionally, maybe I'll do it.
But a simple drink.
Brian, I feel like you're living out of a scarcity mindset here.
No, I'll tell.
Well, I'll tell you the reason why I do that.
Like, maybe if you're going on hundreds of dates a week and like you really like it's taking a huge dent in your like finances that you need to like plan out that much.
It's not about the money.
It's about the principal.
Okay.
It's about the principle.
But I think they would argue that that would be a principle.
What's the principle?
Because I don't even know what the principle is.
I mean, I'll sit down for the room.
They'll be like, oh, he didn't pay for my dinner.
And they'd be really pissed off about it.
They'll never see the guy again.
And they'd be like, it's the principal.
But it's so funny.
You say that it's the principal and she'll say it's the principal.
What's the principal?
What's the principal?
Well, I don't know.
Let me tell you the scenarios in which I would pay.
Okay.
So if I had got the sense that she was traditional, if she was traditional and also if she's younger, 19, 20, 21, whatever.
She's in college.
She's in college.
Then I'm going to pay.
Then I'm going to pay.
But if I'm going out with a litigation attorney that's making $300,000 a year, I'm not going to pay.
No, but I've gone out.
I've met.
There was a litigation attorney that I went out with, and she making probably $200,000, $300,000 a year.
This was like 10 years.
No, sorry, not ten years, five years ago.
She was like, oh, I want to be wined and dined and treated like...
And I'm like, bro, you make $300,000 a year.
Like, no, I'm not going to pay for you.
No, that would make sense.
I think that would be understandable.
I guess the age thing does apply.
Yeah, that makes more sense.
It'd be dusty, Brian.
Because if I go out on a date with a guy who's a couple years older, like, I'm still a college student.
I do, like, you know, I don't have a real job.
And he, even on principal, like, wanted to split the check.
Like, even though I'm fine paying for my own meal, I'm not going to expect you to.
That's just sort of that's how that's principal is going a little too far there at that point.
Like, if you have a real job and I'm in college, then that's sort of like that's what I just said, though.
I know.
So you got it right.
I was worried.
Yeah.
She got it right.
That's fine.
Yeah.
If she's in college, not honestly, most of the women I date are like mid to late 20s, early 30s.
So like career in their careers.
But like occasionally, yes, maybe grad student, for example.
Yeah.
Even grads, you know, grad student could be mid, late 20s.
Grad students a bit, if you, I don't know.
Even then, she, you know, undergrad, sure, grad student, nah.
You don't know they're striking.
I'm grad students.
Literally most grad students drink right now.
They're homeless in Star Station.
So Ashley, please buy their food.
Over 18.
But okay, look, I can tell you that.
Perhaps, perhaps.
But look, it's just the look.
If she's in her career, look, I've dated nurses.
I dated more fucking nurses than I can count.
I've dated a what is it?
Pharmacist, dated a shit, what is it?
I dated a physician's assistant.
I dated a doctor.
I've dated a chick who was an architect.
I've dated researchers, all like career women making six figures.
I'm not paying for you on the first date.
Fuck out of here with that shit.
So I'm guessing, the principle is, hey, if you have the money, you know, pay your own shit.
And also, also, here's the thing.
Is that it?
Well, also, we're in, okay, here's the thing, right?
We're in California.
Most of the women I date, I say, are pretty left-leaning liberal women.
I'd say I'm like center, center, left.
Let's not get into politics.
Center, left.
Okay.
Let's not get into it.
Let's not get into it right now.
We're not getting into it.
Be glad that I'm not far right.
So if I'm dating a liberal woman, she probably believes in gender equality.
Okay.
You can't be a feminist.
You can't be for gender equality until the check comes.
Equality is not a buffet, no pun intended, that you get to pick and choose which, what equality that you want and don't want.
If you believe in gender equality, when you go on a date with a guy, you pay for your food, he pays for his.
I feel like there is no issue with that.
I think it's personal preference.
I'm going to be honest, the way I like to do it, if I go on a first date, they pay for my meal, and I choose that I want to go on a second date, I'll pay for their meal.
What if there's no second date?
that sucks.
Okay.
So he just, right.
So he made an investment that is not going to be, there's, there's not gonna be a second date.
So he spent money on you that has, in essence, gone to waste, so to speak.
He had a lovely experience with me.
So I don't know what you mean that it went to the next one.
Well, you both had a lovely experience.
Yeah.
Did you?
Did you?
Why isn't there a second date then?
So what you're saying is your time, if a guy wants to get your time, he has to pay for it.
No, I don't think anyone's saying that.
He doesn't have to, but like if a guy wants to pay for my meal, how I like to approach it is if he pays for my first meal and then we, and he's choosing to pay that, on the second meal, if we go on a second date, I'll pay for that.
That's how I choose to make it equal.
Because I don't want, one, I want to show that I can also provide.
And two, I don't want to make them feel like they have to pay for my time.
Yeah.
Okay.
So can I ask you a question?
Yeah.
How many first dates do you go on?
And again, I know you guys are in college, so I feel like a lot of people in college, it's much more casual.
Hey, let's go.
It's like, but I'm not, I'm not, it's more like, hey, let's meet at a party, let's meet out.
Like, it's not so much, hey, let's meet out for dinner for a drink.
I feel like that starts becoming more of a thing as you get out of college.
But I mean, how many of your first dates that you've been on have only been first dates and didn't proceed any further?
I wouldn't say like a lot.
I just don't choose to date a lot either.
But I've had guys, and I like, I will choose not to go to an expensive restaurant because I think it'd be stupid to be like, oh, I'm going to go to this restaurant that I couldn't even afford.
Why would I expect someone who's around my same age to be able to do the same thing?
Yeah.
You know, so I feel like I try to be courteous about like where we're going to eat.
Like you can take me to In N-Out and I'll be happy.
Like spend $10 on your meal and my meal and I'll be very happy.
Okay.
So I guess, okay, my question is, who should pay on the first date?
We'll go around the table on this.
Either or.
I don't think it matters.
Well, you said whoever asks.
Yeah, if you guys want to split it, then yes, you can.
If the guy wants to pay, he can pay.
If the girl wants to pay, he can pay.
Like I said, I think it depends who asks the person out.
If I'm asking a guy out, I'll pay.
But okay, so if the guy asks, he should pay.
If he says, can I take you out to dinner, then I'm going to be expecting he's going to pay for it.
Well, if he says that, then yes.
But if a guy, for example, let's say a guy worded it like this, would you like to grab a drink or would you like to grab food?
I wouldn't expect him to be paying for my meal.
Okay, guys, that's how you should be asking.
That's how I ask.
I'm not like, hey, can I please take you to dinner?
No, it's like, do you want to grab food?
Yeah.
So I think phrasing can be important there.
yeah i would definitely agree with that as well so whoever i should pay or no it's oh yes So I guess the way he phrases it.
It depends how you phrase it.
I can't say the other way.
Because in some cases, men are more dominant, too, where they're just like, I'm going to pay.
Give me the check.
And it'll just grab it right away.
But in other cases, if it was asked that way, I would totally be willing to go a 50-50.
Okay, what about, what do you think?
I don't know.
I don't really go on a lot of dates with checks.
I usually like to picnic.
Well, you're in college, so I feel like it's a bit more, hey, let's hang out, let's go to a party kind of thing, right?
I'd be fine with paying.
If they offer to pay and they want to, that's cool.
But I would just default split.
Okay.
For me, it's mostly like who asks who, because the majority of the time, if he asks me, then he does end up paying.
But if I ask them, then I do offer to pay and they're like, okay, yeah, cool.
Because I did ask them to go out.
But if they do ask me in the way you ask, oh, do you want to go grab a drink?
Most of the time when that has happened, they pay anyways.
Yeah, guys will still pay in that circumstance too.
And like, I don't know.
Like the only time where I was paying most of the time was because I knew that like he's the guy I was dating before, he was going to be a lawyer and like he didn't have a job.
Like he was literally working on Fridays for two hours and like I'm working every single day 10 hour shifts.
So like I have the money to pay.
So I'm like, oh, you want to go to dinner?
Okay, like I can take you out to like we both go get like a $60 plate and like I can pay, you know?
Like, I don't know.
I feel like that's fair.
Yeah.
How I like to do it is just always like offer to be like, oh, like how much like, should I VEME or whatever?
And they'll pretty much always, pretty much always be like, no, like you're not paying me anything.
And then I just like insist on paying like a cash tip or something so I can show how much I appreciate that.
I always offer a tip.
If they pay for it, I will be like, do you want me to pay tip?
Yeah.
So I can show you know that I really appreciate that they took me to.
Do you think whoever asks should pay?
Come on, don't.
No, no, no.
No, not like all of it.
I don't think, I honestly don't think there's any instance where I would pay for a guy's meal.
Even if I was the one who asked him.
Okay, let's say the guy asks you out.
But there's no, no, I don't.
What?
If the guy asks you out, should he pay for the drink?
No, I don't think he has to.
Like, I'm there.
I'm enjoying my time.
I'm not going to make him pay for both of it.
It's just an incredibly great, good, like, green flag.
If he's like, no, you're not paying anything.
Like, that shows he really appreciates me.
He understands my value.
He's generous.
Okay.
It's just like a major green flag.
Okay.
It's not like a red flag.
if he expects me to pay for his you can by the way if you disagree with me you can say it's a lot a lot of women disagree with me on this Disagree with what?
That a guy should always?
That even in the instance where the guy suggests going out or suggests, hey, let's grab food, the guy is asking for the date.
I mean, we'll get into that in a sec, but suggesting that it should still be split.
Oh.
Well, like I said, even no matter who asks out, I'll always like offer to split, but guys almost always are like, no, don't pay.
You're going to, okay, but you're going to feel a certain type of way.
I feel like you.
You'll feel a certain type of way if the guy says, okay, let's split.
Well, I mean, it's a little bummy, maybe.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, it's more just like, you know, there's a lot of guys who would what?
For myself.
Yeah, that's a really good point.
Yeah.
Yeah, I go.
But if you look, Brian, you know, I'm looking for a specific type of guy who's like very generous provider.
So it's more like, it's more, yeah, maybe it does.
I'm not hating on your view.
No, I know you're not hating on me, but yeah.
I know you're more traditional.
Yeah.
Well, I'm just sort of, this honestly hasn't come up.
It just really hasn't really been the case where I'm like, I'll split.
I'm not going to be like an ungrateful little child and like throw a hissy fit about it, but it'll be noted.
I don't know.
But it will be noted.
It'll be noted.
It'll be noted.
If he isn't in the but yeah, the person I'll end up dating probably will be the guy who like will gladly and like easily like pay for my food.
Interesting.
I mean that makes sense.
Probably.
Look, so okay, as far as the whoever asks should pay thing, look, more often than not, men are asking women out.
Women are not asking men out, generally speaking.
So de facto, if whoever asks should pay is your answer, your answer might as well be men should pay on the first date because women really aren't asking guys out like that for the first date.
Well, I think it's also the way.
I mean, still, I would, like I said, default to splitting, but I think it's a way of how you say it.
If someone's like, please let me take you out.
Like, let me take you out on a date versus do you want to go out?
Yeah.
That's very different.
That's saying, I'm going to take you.
Yeah.
You're going to come with me and we're going to do this.
You know what I mean?
So to God, you're going to pay for me.
I mean, they'll still pay.
Like, I don't care.
But I think it's also about how you word it.
Actually, you do raise a very good point.
So if, as the guy, you word it in such a way where there could be an implication that you're taking her out, like you're treating her, then yes, you should, obviously you should pay.
If how you worded it, then you should pay.
But if it's more just like if you're a guy and you're like casually, hey, do you want to grab a drink sometime?
You want to grab food?
If you're framing it like that, then I don't necessarily think that there should necessarily in that situation be an expectation that the guy should pay.
Well, you still can, but.
Those instances, like where I've had people ask me, like, oh, you want to go grab a drink?
Then like, I'll either buy our first set of drinks or they'll buy the first set of drinks and then we'll just like go back and forth.
Like I buy one, they buy one.
And like we pay for each other, but it's still back and forth.
The only caveat I have though, dinner is one thing, you know, like that's food.
But when it comes to alcohol, I will never pay for my own alcohol, but I also just don't like to drink.
So if a guy's offering to take me out to drinks, he probably knows I don't really like to drink.
There's always like, probably he will probably maybe benefit, you know, if I'm like intoxicated, I'm like, if you want me to drink, like you can go for it.
But I don't like drinking, so I will, if I go to a bar, like for some reason, like I'm not bringing my wallet with me.
But that's just because I can have like a great time in a bar like drinking water.
But I'm not going to pay.
That's the only time I will like never pay for dinner.
I guess that's the difference because like I know I can drink and I know I like to drink.
So I know that like they can't be buying all my drinks.
Yeah, we're going to round in.
You know how much they're going to drink.
Really, really quick, just to wrap up on this question here.
Have you ever asked a guy out?
You know, I was actually going to bring this up.
You might be surprised to know.
I actually just asked someone out just like I think yesterday.
Yeah.
I was just like, do you want to go on a date this weekend?
Is that what you said?
I did.
That's exactly what I said.
Where are you taking him?
I'm not taking him.
No, but it's not, it's not like I'm not the type to like offer.
Are you going to pay?
I'm not going to take it.
Yeah.
I was just going to be like, we should go ice skating or something.
Is this a first date?
It is a first date, yeah.
So you sit there.
I already know he likes me, so is he like me the first pursuit for sure?
It's more like, oh, I know this guy likes me.
I think he's nice.
Obviously, he's going to say yes.
Like, if I don't, if I didn't think a guy would say yes, I might not be hanging out guys on dates.
But if I know they're going to say yes, I'll be like, okay, that's what I'm saying.
I know it is.
It's not like, it's not like shooting your shot where you're not sure.
Yeah, yeah.
It's more like, yeah.
Okay.
Have you ever asked a guy out on the date?
Yes.
I actually, well, it doesn't really count, I guess, now because like first date, yes, twice.
Scoot the microphone that way.
Yeah.
Keep going, keep going.
Twice.
Keep going.
There you go.
Good, good, good.
Okay.
Twice?
Did you pay?
Didn't we?
Or split?
What did you do?
I think we split.
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Have you ever asked a guy out on the date?
It's usually me.
Yeah.
I always make the first move.
I kind of see someone.
If I see someone and I like, even at a party or something, if you just want to initiate something, like, I'm not going to sit around and look pretty and wait for someone to hit on me.
Like, if I think you're cute, I'm going to shoot my shot.
And if you say no, that's great.
Out of the way.
Cool.
Rejection done.
I have taken guys, or not taken, I can't fucking drive.
Don't pick me up, but I'll choose the place.
I've definitely taken guys or asked them out.
I have paid a couple times, just being like, let me just do this, whatever.
And they've definitely paid for me, and we've definitely split.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
I've never asked a guy out, but I have approached a guy.
So if I saw someone really cute, I'm not going to like, you know, pass up on them.
I'm going to say, what's up?
You approached a guy?
Yeah, I'll say hi.
Multiple times you've done that or was it just once?
I just once.
I would say like maybe three times.
Here, what did you say?
Shoot, I don't know.
Pretend I'm the guy that you were hitting on.
Oh my gosh.
What did you say?
Hey, Alexis, I think you're really cute.
And then where was it?
It was in a bar.
Oh, at a bar.
Yeah, so it's kind of easy.
Like Trader Joe's.
Is that a bar?
Trader Joe's is such a great place to get people.
I don't know.
I saw this very funny on it earlier.
It's very flirty energy.
But no, it's always been like a party type environment.
Yeah, so it's kind of more social, easy to approach someone like that.
But never in a very sit-down setting, no.
Okay.
And yeah, I've asked out guys for sure.
I think guys tend to ask me out more, but I have asked guys out and I do pay for their dinner.
There you go.
Good times.
Good times.
All right.
Hold on.
We got this.
I need to kind of put a.
Oh, wait, this one.
My bad.
We're going to get to the super chats, guys.
Sorry, we got.
Okay, so shouldn't you act like a traditional man just to wrap up on the super chat?
We're still almost.
Well, I'm just going to wrap it up here.
So, look, here's the thing, right?
I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles with a woman who's not traditional.
And no offense, news flash.
Most women, especially in California, especially in Santa Barbara, are not traditional women.
So what's traditional?
Yeah.
Like, okay, so, I mean, one would be feminine.
So someone who's not masculine, not hoe, low body count.
Probably doesn't want to be like the breadwinner.
Yeah, like the stay-at-home mom.
She does like the PTA meetings.
It's not even, I mean, it's not even like so much that.
Like, I think you can be, still be very feminine and want, like, well, some guys might disagree with me.
You can still be super feminine, but also do like 50-50, have a job, but, you know, all that shit.
But what was my point?
Oh, right.
Most women are not traditional women.
So I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender role of being the provider off rip and paying for your stuff.
That's me.
Okay.
A man paying on the first date is him adhering to his traditional gender role.
And here's the big thing that I often think of.
A lot of people in 2022, and this actually applies to both men and women.
When you're on a first date with someone, gone are the days of people only talking to one person at a time.
I don't want to pay for a girl.
I don't want to be a provider for a girl who just fucked a guy the night before.
There's no way I can know, but I have to.
Do you know that?
You said that you would pay for the date, though, if she was a traditional woman, right?
What if she acted all the traditional?
You just also said, so you don't know this woman.
It's a first date, correct?
Yes.
But you just said on a first date, what you do is you go to the waiter and you say already that you're splitting a check.
So what do you do?
Just run back and be like, no, she's all right.
I mean, look, I sort of outlined a few different ways of how you go about it.
You can either, I mean, the big one is you arrive early, you go to the bar, you get your drink, you go sit at a table.
I mean, I'm going to sort of have a bit of a sense.
I've felt her out a little bit before meeting in person.
I'm always going to have it, like if I meet her on a dating app, for example, I'm always going to have a phone call with someone before I meet them in person because I want to get a feel for it.
And I also want to give her an opportunity to opt out.
Maybe she doesn't like the sound of my voice.
Maybe she, for whatever reason, like she doesn't suck on a podcast.
Well, one.
What's that?
That would suck if you're on a podcast and she doesn't like your voice.
I suppose.
I don't know.
But I mean, it could be, yeah, I'll always do a phone call.
One, it kind of eliminates the chance of it being some sort of catfish thing.
You can detect if there's any like, I've had phone conversations with girls that I was otherwise planning to have dates with, and then I just wasn't feeling it.
And I was like, canceled.
Your voice sounds funny.
I canceled the date.
No, it was just like, well.
Just the conversation, you can tell.
Like, it was mostly they were like super, I could tell they were fucking emotional vampires, like just negative.
I don't know if you've ever like encountered people that are just like, you can sometimes just hear in the tonality of their voice.
Yeah, and they're just like really like, I'm like, yo, you're, and hey, some people are going through some shit.
That's fine.
But like, I'm like, no, evacuate.
I'm out.
Like, I'm not going to go on a date.
I'm not, well, I wouldn't say that, but I'm like, I'm like, I'm fucking out.
And no, but I'll have a pleasant conversation.
Of course, I'll be respectful, but I'll just be like, hey, you know, I won't pursue setting up an actual date with her.
But yeah, always a phone call.
And like I said, it gives them an opportunity to opt out because if they can suss out from the phone call that they're not feeling it, great.
Saves me time.
Saves her time, saves me time.
So guys, with the dating apps, do a quick little 15, 20 minute phone call.
I've never had a guy do that.
Like call me before, like if we're going to love a meetup or like we meet up.
It's like, I mean, one, also, it's like, it takes a little of the pressure off the date too.
Like you've had like a conversation because like people can be real clever over text message, but then like you don't know how their the vibe is going to be.
And the vibe could be a bit different in person, but having that phone conversation, you'll feel it out a little bit.
And you can either say, oh, this is going to be great, or I want to feel it out a bit more, or just, hey, I want to opt out.
Boom, done.
So I always recommend 15, 20 minute phone call, get acquainted.
And maybe you guys disagree on some things you can.
Yeah.
And it saves you from having to go out to, you know.
I'm going to do that now.
Honestly, do it.
Be like, hey, you down to hop on a phone call.
Yeah, I always appreciated the guys I would ask to go on a Zoom call.
I was thinking when I went FaceTime and seeing them would be a lot like better than having to just randomly meet them.
Yeah, and that's awkward too.
If you're just not hit, it's just not working when you see them like catfish.
And I feel like it breaks the ice a little bit because now you like know what each other looks like.
You understand how you conversate a little bit.
It kind of like you catch a vibe.
And then also if you don't catch a vibe, then you're able to know before you guys kind of waste your time and go out on a date.
That's not really worth it.
Yeah.
But yeah, so just to wrap up the whole thing, if she's not traditional translation, she's sleeping with other men.
I don't want to pay for someone who's sleeping with someone else.
And also, the other reason why I think men should be more hesitant to pay is foodie calls.
Not all women, but there are some women that will go on the date just for a free dinner.
You're laughing.
Yeah, you're laughing.
Good ideas.
You're laughing because have you done it?
Okay, she's done.
Or she knows someone who's done it.
Look, maneuver how you're going to maneuver.
But us men, we're catching up.
We're figuring out that, hey, sometimes you're not necessarily going on a date with us and it might not lead anywhere.
I mean, you might just want an experience.
You might just want free food.
Also, people have so many more options.
So the likelihood that any one given date is going to proceed is going to go the distance, let's say, is so greatly diminished.
So yes, men do have to go on much more dates and women too to find that person than, you know, even 10, 20 years ago, the likelihood of any one given date actually like maybe proceeding was much higher.
I mean, and if you go back into 1950s, you might go on one, two, three dates, and then you're married.
Yeah.
People go on three dates and terrifying.
People go on three.
Well, people go on three dates in a week, a month today.
But the big thing is, yeah, if you're sleeping with someone else, I have to, like, it's unfortunate, but like, yes, if I'm going on the first date with a girl, I'm going to assume that you're fucking two other dudes.
And I'm going to treat the situation.
I'm going to assume the man taking me out.
I'm going to assume they're doing the same.
I'm actually going to assume maybe it's around five.
No.
I mean, this is Santa Barbara.
Forget where we are.
Women can assume the same thing.
But I'm going to assume that.
I'm going to assume, hey, you're sleeping with other people.
So I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles with someone who fucked a guy yesterday.
Like, honestly, I would rather even not go on a date with you, but I can't necessarily know.
I mean, I'm going to try to suss out if they're like that or not.
There are some indicators to see if like...
are they well i mean there's a bunch but i mean name one to see it well Well, is she a big partier?
If she parties a lot, if she drinks a lot, there's greater likelihood that she's probably engaging in casual sex.
But don't get me wrong, some of these shy chicks, they be fucking.
So you never know.
You really never know, boys.
Anyone can be a hoe.
But like, and here's also the big thing, and I've given this anecdote before.
It's a big fucking L as a guy if you pay for a girl's dinner.
Don't do dinner dates, guys, but if you do, a lot of guys do.
If you pay for her dinner and then, oh, you have a really nice date, really good conversation.
She gives you the ass-out hug, you know, the ass-out hug, gives you a little kiss on the cheek, whatever.
You part ways.
She goes over to the dude's house that she's fucking, who never has paid for her.
By the way, she took a doggy bag.
You can speak from experience because I don't think I would.
Would any of us do that?
I mean, bro, girls do this shit.
Okay, you're going to get a to-go bag with the food that he paid for.
Take it to the other guy.
You're going to take it to the guy's house who you're fucking, give him the leftovers.
He's going to eat the food, then he's going to fucking go.
I'll never eat him.
Honestly, even if I didn't pay for it.
If I take the doggy bag, it's for me and me only.
Yeah, exactly.
Why would I give that to another guy?
Okay, fine.
It's for you only.
You eat it.
You eat it at the guy's house and then you fuck him.
Fine.
He didn't get it.
The guy that you're fucking.
That's just no.
People be, I mean, people, but I think you're talking like this is a generalization.
It is a generalization.
You're very much stressing this topic as in you think that this happens more often than not.
Honestly, I'm sure I think that it does happen.
I think it does.
I think it definitely does.
Why wouldn't it?
But I think that just simply what I'm getting right now is you think that this happens more than not happening.
No, I think it's, I certainly think it's not, what is it?
It doesn't happen more often than not.
It doesn't happen.
Yeah.
But I'm going to avoid the situation entirely by just not paying for a girl on the first date.
Yeah, in this day and age, I think Brian's onto something by letting his male audience not do like food dates.
But unless, of course, it's like a great girl who might be like more traditional and really appreciate something like that, then you should because you're risking like losing a girl you might really like by being like, I would never take you out on like a dinner date.
That could be like, there's a risk there, obviously.
But you know, I would trust your judgment.
I think guys are good in figuring out which girls are like.
I lose girls by not being willing to pay for the date.
I don't think it's you not wanting to pay for it.
I think it's the fact that you think you're a whore.
Why would I pay for you?
I'm fine with you not paying for me, but if your rationale is that you believe I'm a whore and that I'm not this traditional woman or woman, that's the problem.
It's not that you're not paying for me.
There's no care about that.
Well, I've already articulated my other rationales for it.
That happens to be one of them.
And I don't think it's, I think it's, it's actually a smart thing to go into a first date with someone and instead of being all like, oh my God, she's the best.
Oh my God, I love her.
Or just like being really caught up in this one girl, like you got to realize, and I'm sure you guys, like you guys have girlfriends, maybe your own experiences.
You guys know dudes that are fucking players and fuck boys, whatever it may be.
You know how it is out there in 2022, how people are dating, how people are fucking around.
Like people are seeing multiple people.
They have a roster.
They have a rotation.
Both men and women.
I think it's more women than men, but both men and women have are seeing multiple people.
I also think it's more of an age thing.
See, if you continue to go on dates with people our age, then obviously that's going to happen.
Like at our age, we're in college.
We're here to experiment.
I have no idea what my type even is like.
Obviously, I'm going to go on a lot of dates.
But if you, you're 33, right?
If you continue to date people in your age range, that might change.
Yeah.
I'm predominantly dating people between, I'd say, the age of 25 and 34.
And you'd be surprised.
You'd be very surprised.
So, okay, I recently went, well, recently, maybe this was six months ago.
I went on a date with this woman who I think she worked in a hospital.
Six figures, whatever.
32, 33 my age, right?
She told me on the date.
And by the way, she's not like, she's 33, fairly average, like not a stunner, like average looking, right?
Unremarkable, let's say.
She told me she had just downloaded, I met her on Hinge.
She told me that she had just gone hinge and she had been, I was her, she had just been on Hinge for three days.
I was her second date, and she had three dates planned for the weekend.
33-year-old woman, average five dates in a week, like set up.
She already did two.
So most, most, her male looks equivalent, like, don't take this the wrong way, lady, if you're reading this, her male looks equivalent could not secure that level of immediate scheduling of dates.
Well, she's got to be doing something else.
Well, it's easier for women to date than it is for men.
I'm so sorry.
You should, yeah, I apologize.
How dare you?
How dare you?
Look, the reality is it's very easy for women to secure dates with men.
It's very easy.
Because I feel like guys tend to ask girls out more.
And so then if guys are asking girls out more, then girls are going to go out on more dates.
Well, yeah, women are, especially on dating apps.
I mean, you guys are inundated.
You guys are on dating apps.
Actually, we should do the dating app review.
Inundated with suitors on dating apps.
If you were so inclined, I think every single girl at this table could have a date every single night of the week.
You might not have time to do it, but you could do it.
Most men, the vast majority of men, the vast majority of men would not be able to have a date every single night of the week.
Maybe the top 10% of men, top 20% of men, maybe.
Most men cannot do that.
But the average woman could have a date every single night of the week.
The average man could not do that.
I kind of agree with that, to be honest, because I also think that just like, if you're a really pretty guy, then like you probably could.
But if you are an average-looking guy, you're probably not getting asked out as much.
Or whoever you are asking, like might not always be telling you yes.
I think it's just like because girls always tend to get the offer, they can choose whether or not they want to say yes or no.
Yep.
Yep.
Okay, let's do some more super chats.
I've been super caught up.
By the way, guys, get in your super chats here.
The super chats have been kind of directing the entire conversation, but let's see.
You got to have some top game to get away with the splitting move and not lose the girl.
Not one girl in the pod has had a positive reaction to it.
I think we all just had a pretty positive reaction.
I think some of them were open to it.
By the way, guys, keep in mind, if you're in Florida, don't do this.
If you're in Texas, probably don't do this.
Also, I'm willing to, like, a lot of the women in California are pretty reasonable, like 50-50 type girls, like more left-leaning.
So like a lot of them are fine with it.
Some aren't.
Even left-leaning liberal women, some women are still going to be like, nah.
Okay.
Thermal, thank you for the $10 super chat.
Flan Life, thank you for becoming a member.
Appreciate it.
And then we have when a trans woman says she's fun.
Does that mean she's had bottom surgery?
This isn't really related to dating.
Flan Life, thank you for that.
Are any of us trans?
Is this Leonardo NiCaprio?
I don't know what the comments think I am, though.
Well, thank you for the Canadian $10 super chat.
I saw that shit.
Does that mean she had...
I would assume yes.
I would assume yes.
I think that's what that means.
Fully transitioned.
I'd assume she's had.
Yeah.
Okay.
Moving forward.
Moving on.
Moving on.
Eric, what did I ask you to pull up?
Was it the Kim K thing?
Oh.
Didn't you say you like Kim K?
I love all the Kardashians.
Oh.
Yikes.
Leave it there.
I'm obsessed with them.
I watch every single Wednesday at 9 p.m.
I'm over Travis and Courtney macking it and like tongue-licking.
Get over it.
Why?
Why?
Send the asteroid.
Send the asteroid.
Okay.
Okay, so Kim Kardashian will get $2,000 a month in child support from Ye as the couple settle their divorce.
also got the house next door that kanye bought in the divorce too by the way i don't know if you guys oh hold on let me turn that off um I don't know if you guys know, but Kim Kardashian actually is her net worth is more than Kanye.
Yeah, she's like $1.7 billion.
Well, Kanye lost a lot of money.
Well, yeah, especially now.
Especially now.
Everything he has to say.
But it's interesting to me that even though that she obviously, I'm assuming she has a greater deal of custody of the children now that they're divorced, but she has $1.7 billion.
Does she need child support?
What do you guys think?
No, but I think it's not just about it.
It's not about the money.
It's about what Kanye's done.
I think it's a good fuck you, and I think I would do the same shit after everything he's put that family through.
Yeah.
Well, you think, oh, well, you think about it too.
I mean, she's put that family through some stuff too.
I know that you're probably a fan of hers, but I'm just saying.
I mean, she's all in her videos and stuff.
No, just like in general.
I mean, there's probably way more than that.
But I mean, my father saying that he loves Hitler is a little different.
I know.
The guy, I think, has a very serious mental health issue.
Yeah, interesting question.
Yeah.
So a lot of Kanye's issues probably come from his bipolar disorder.
If it was the wife who had a mental illness, bipolar disorder, would she still have to be the one paying $200,000 a month to her ex-husband?
I would be treated that the same way, even though it wasn't.
I don't think it's about the disorder.
I think it's about what he's done.
I have serious mental health issues as well, and you don't see me spewing about Hitler.
What do you got?
I don't think that's something that I would share with you.
I don't know if I don't like personally.
I don't want to talk about that.
Oh.
Okay.
But I think it's not about the disorder.
It's about what you do.
This man is rich as fuck.
He has all the resources in the world to get his shit together and do this.
And if I can do it myself.
Kanny can get rid of like a bipolar disorder.
No, I think he can give you a lot of resources that a lot of lower income people cannot have.
But also, I also think on top of it is that I think a lot of Kim's problems have been in the past.
And like, yeah, there are some, but it doesn't like level the same way that Kanye's still doing it to this day.
He still is pushing a lot of other stuff.
No, I believe that.
No.
But you know what?
It comes to a point like, okay, so you see all these famous people committing suicide and stuff.
That comes from mental health.
And they have all the money in the world.
They never seeked help.
You would think they have all the friends in the world, right?
So, I mean, clearly that doesn't bring you happiness and all the resources in the world.
I don't think that provides that.
But I think the greater issue is the fact that, you know, is this mass amount of money worth this divorce?
It's not about, you know, I could cheat on my husband and he could pay me out after the divorce all he wants and all my friends would back me up.
So, I mean, I guess like the issue of like why the relationship ended is not the principle.
It's about the kids and what is needed for them to conquer and like, you know, have a good living life.
And that's what this whole court system is supposed to provide.
They have the money.
Do I think that this girl needs that much more?
No, I don't fucking think that.
She's well sufficient.
Enough gifts.
Yeah.
And those children have for the kids.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
But yeah.
You can't even spend it on yourself legally.
You would be sued for that.
You can't.
This is not going into her pocket.
I hear you.
I hear you.
I hear that.
It's like just because kids need $200,000 a month.
They have that.
It's in a different wallet, in a different saving account, in a different.
I don't give a shit.
They have it.
Okay.
And also, I'm not trying to take away from you.
If someone's going through a public mental health crisis, I don't know if taking like, and they've just lost all their money.
I mean, does that seem fair to take hundreds of thousands of dollars away from them like every month?
Like their child will survive and be well supported on less than that.
So I think like what the why we're bringing up here is, you know, like it's just an interesting gender thing, you know, because traditionally in American courts, women get almost always, except in extremely rare circumstances, women always get the majority of the child support, pay, custody.
And yeah, in this case, the custody things, it makes sense.
You know, if you're going through, you know, one of the parents has mental health problems, that makes sense.
But it almost seems like it's like a $200,000, though.
I don't know if that's fair, especially for someone who's like going through healing.
In this circumstance, I feel like it's not healing, though.
It makes sense for taking no steps to do that.
I don't care if like I don't think he really gives a shit.
I don't think he's really focused on his kids at all.
I don't even know what he's doing.
So he's like entirely a villain.
He's not just talking about two famous people.
Like who gives a shit?
I'm sorry.
I don't know why I'm getting passionate.
I honestly have nothing to add.
Like I just don't really think this topic is very relevant or something that needs to be talked about for a while.
I just, I genuinely don't see either the $200,000 either going to be in Kanye's pocket or it's going to be in Kim's pocket.
Either way, the kid's going to get it.
I don't really like, okay, Kim has it.
Okay, but it's also Kanye's fault for losing all of those, all that money.
But at the same time, Kanye wasn't upset about it.
He literally posted a video how he was like, I'm happy nobody's hurt because that's actually what I wanted to happen.
So yeah.
What did I miss?
They didn't like that topic.
What did you say?
Did you upset them?
I didn't necessarily upset them.
I guess the question upset them.
Oh.
Yeah.
I think it just like, I mean, I'm going to be honest, if Kim kind of did the same exact thing, Connie, I feel like it'd be fair the other way around.
I feel like it would be.
Yeah.
If she did exactly what he did.
And like, I feel like she has tried so hard to kind of like distance herself from that sort of drama.
And like he, at least I don't know currently, but like in the past of what I've read, like he kind of continues to put that burden on her.
And drag her into it.
Yeah.
So I feel like I don't necessarily think she needs the money or the kids need the money because she can definitely provide for them.
But like I guess it kind of makes sense, yes.
But if the rules were reversed, I think that would make sense if she was paying 20, 200K.
It might make sense, but I think like the point I'm trying to make is I do not think in an American court system that would ever be the case.
Where like if the mother was the one who had a bipolar disorder and did the exact same thing, she'd be paying $200,000 even either.
No, I agree.
I don't think that would be the case either.
But, you know, the system's messed up.
We can't do anything about that.
It's probably going to be messed up for a very, very long time.
Well, we can do stuff about like ours.
Yeah, not saying that we can't.
Yeah, exactly.
It would take a lot of time.
Yeah, sure.
But it's good to talk about it in the same way that we wanted to talk, you know, you wanted to talk earlier about the importance of having diversity and advertisements.
It's also important to have like, you know, just legal gender equality rulings when it comes to child care, too.
And so this Kim K example is obviously just a spotlight, you know, big celebrity example of something that doesn't get talked about that maybe should.
Kanye and West in the chat.
Okay.
Oh, gosh.
Hold on.
We'll get to that.
That's probably all the money he had left, too.
Oh, shit.
Whoa.
No, not as shade as, you know.
Oh, not the actual.
Yeah, as if it was Kanye.
Yeah, yeah.
I guess.
Yeah.
Broke Kanye joke.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
Would any of you, Vitaly ZDTV asks, that's his mug shot, by the way.
Would any of the girls date a felon?
What do you think I have?
You have?
Okay.
I don't think I have now.
No.
Turn the microphone.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, I have not.
Okay.
What about you?
I, without knowing it, went on a first date with someone who was, I think it was a felon.
I don't know.
I think it was a felon.
Like, he had an ankle monitor.
And I didn't realize.
And that's hot.
Yeah.
Some busy handbags.
Such a green flag if someone shows up with an ankle monitor.
Yeah, it was just the light clarity.
My friends will literally never let me let down.
I don't know if Oliver thought myself loaded down.
So I should have done more background research there.
So the ankle monitor was a no.
It wasn't an accessory.
No second date.
But at least he didn't make me split the check.
Yeah.
Not enough to outweigh the unfortunate red flag of an ankle monitor.
Did you find out what he did?
Yes.
What did he do?
He was, he explained it to me.
I hope this is the truth.
But he was explaining, like, his friends got into a fight and he jumped in the fight and was just like swinging at anyone who wasn't his friend.
The cops got involved and he accidentally swung at a cop.
And so because swinging at a cop, I'm pretty sure it's a fancy.
Yeah, that'll do it.
That'll do it.
And so then he had an ankle monitor.
So unfortunately, I won't be seeing him again.
We wish you well.
But I, yeah, I wouldn't have known unless he brought it up.
So I'm glad he was honest, but yeah, I should have probably done some of that.
We do appreciate the honesty.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My bad.
And splitting the check stuff.
Would you, Brian, ever date a felon?
A woman?
A woman.
I would be scared.
I'm going to be honest.
Depends.
I guess it depends what for.
Probably not, though.
Probably not.
Depends, but probably not.
Okay, we have Rain Gym65.
Ladies, if you want a man with thick hands, look for the dude coming to fix stuff in your house.
Thank you for the super chat, man.
Appreciate it.
Were we talking about thick hands?
I'm just kind of confused by these.
As long as our butt crack doesn't come out.
What the?
I think thick hands in his perspective is like a strong dude.
Like a guy with thick hands is strong.
I think that's what he's implying.
No, I think it's like fingering.
Oh, oh.
I mean, that's like casually like all poor.
Look at Brian Lee.
I think he's coming for you.
We did a segment on last show because I had another guy on the show with me and he's just jacked fucking.
Yeah.
Oh, I see.
Zach, yeah.
And he's got like these big, fucking super strong, big man hands, and I have like piano fingers.
You know, piano fingers are nice too.
Words per minute fucking on fire, right?
But no, so we did this kind of meme sus segment where we compared, we asked the girls to pick just based off the hands.
Oh.
So I think that might be in response to that.
I see, I see.
All right, we have Kanye West.
Thank you for the Canadian $10.
I know this.
I think this is Leonardo DiCaprio.
Mental health problems, more like a mental leap in the awareness, scammers of the world.
You would know.
See Kyle.
Tell him I said, yo, who?
Hi, Kyle.
Who's Kyle?
Hey, Kyle, how you doing?
Okay.
Thank you, Kanye.
Rain Jim65.
Thank you for the $10 super chat, man.
Appreciate it.
Why didn't you ask a question?
I think maybe just supporting.
By the way, you can gift some memberships too if you just want to support.
Think about it.
Can you pull up the Twitch?
Let's shout out the Twitch.
If there's anybody on Twitch.
Guys, if you have a Twitch Prime sub available, if you have a Twitch, is it Twitch Prime, Amazon Prime sub, go over to Twitch.
Oh, did we?
Okay, we got, yes, hell yeah.
One follower 13 minutes ago.
What is that?
Maui?
What is that?
Maui66?
Maui, like from Moana?
That looks like Maui, but the U is uppercase, so it's throwing me off.
6-6.
Yo, thank you for the follow.
Guys, if you have an Amazon Prime sub, twitch.tv slash whatever.
Twitch.tv slash whatever.
Head on over.
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Anyways, do it.
All right, we have, let's see here, we got Shine, Shane, M, $10.
You know damn well 2.4 mil isn't being spent on the kid per year.
That is theft.
Yep, pretty much.
I mean, she doesn't, like, she.
Why?
I don't know.
I mean, maybe she puts it in, like, the kids' piggy bank something.
She's got $1.7 billion.
I mean, like, the outfit is Stormy.
Her kid?
No, that's Kylie.
That's Kylie.
Who's her kid?
Palms, North.
North.
I swear North Two more is like fashionista.
Just the stuff she wears, I'm sure.
She's over $1 million.
Like, I'm sure.
It doesn't matter what.
Kanye literally just took Kanye literally just took us out to go shopping.
I'm no Kardashian expert, but I don't think it's palms.
I think it's like psalms from the Bible.
Interesting.
I like the words.
Thank you for that clarification.
Just saying.
Hold on.
I don't.
I'm not religious like that, so I don't know.
Shit.
Insane.
I did just come from church, like right before this, so I was late.
That's why.
Did you go to church?
Church?
Were you at mass?
Yes.
Okay.
Rain Jim, would you date a guy like me?
Be honest.
It's the fish photo.
It isn't the fish.
It's a no for me.
Thank you for the super chat.
$10.
Thank you for the super chat.
I would date you, Rain Jim.
Aw, that's adorable.
I don't know anything about you, so I don't know how to know.
Rain Jim, you're going to have to tell us a little more about yourself.
He has big hands.
We know.
Not with the fish.
I don't know if it's a sound.
That's the no sensation.
He is so crazy.
But yeah, yeah, Rain Jim, why don't you?
65.
Maybe there's some information in the name, like Rain Jim 65.
He was born in 65, so he's 60.
Three?
Quick maths?
Quick maths, just math.
Two plus two.
Yeah, no, it's a no for me.
Yeah, Rain Jim, let us know some more details.
Deral, thank you for the nine British pounds, I believe.
This one's for Hara.
Wow.
Fuck.
You always do that.
Last time I had my, me and my friend were on here.
Her name's Aja.
What were you calling her?
Asia?
I think I was calling her Anakin Skywalker.
Okay.
Something like that.
Thank you.
I really appreciate that.
Yeah.
I don't know how to pronounce it, but thank you.
You have some fans.
Do you know that?
You got fans.
What do you mean?
You got fans in the chat.
Well, I saw some people defending me last time when the OnlyFans girl was saying I'd make $5.
That would hurt.
That was fine.
That's rude.
I'm just kidding.
I obviously didn't take it seriously.
I know that's not the case, but that was pretty appreciative.
She probably was just intimidated.
Like, let's be honest.
I think she was just roasting.
Like, she's just fucking around, you know?
All I said was I wouldn't personally do OnlyFans.
Genuinely.
All I said.
There's nothing offensive about that.
If you said that to me, I'd be like, okay, yeah.
I was like, because I'm really close to my brother.
I'm close to my family.
I'm not going to do that.
I mean, also, like, there's other reasons, but that was just like the first one that's the only one I shared with them.
It's like, yeah, I wouldn't do it.
That makes sense.
On the topic of OnlyFans, you have an OnlyFans, correct?
I do.
Anybody else at the table having OnlyFans?
Okay.
How much do you make?
can you share that on only fans personally don't like to talk about like specific numbers but i will say range range Range.
My net per month is over, is about $3,000.
$3,000.
Okay.
For me, that's pretty good because I already don't have a following.
So making that, I feel happy about.
And it's also my only job that brings in an income, but I don't plan on doing it for the rest of my life.
I'm just doing it to pay for college right now.
How often do you post?
I try to post daily.
I do solo and BG videos.
You should go check it out.
There's two videos up right now.
I do pay-per-view messaging.
So that's where a lot of my income comes in.
And then also the subscriptions.
But I try to post at least almost every day.
If not, I just will post a comment or something.
Just try to interact with my fans, you know?
Okay.
Nice.
Well, it sounds like it pays for your rent, I imagine.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, everyone's pretty respectful on there.
And so it's super nice.
It's a fun job, but I wouldn't recommend it if you're not comfortable posting stuff like that on there because it can be a little bit intense.
Right.
What is a BG video?
A boy girl video.
So yeah.
Boy girl.
And then I want to do some girl-girl collabbing, but I haven't met up with anyone yet.
Nice.
When you do BG, is it with just one person or is it with new guys?
I've done it in the past.
What was the look?
You gave a look.
Why are you asking, Brian?
I have done it with different guys.
Currently, I'm doing it just with one guy in particular just because I like to, if I'm doing a collab with someone, I like them to do STI testing and STD testing because you want to be safe about it.
So I just choose to do it with one person normally for a long period of time.
Yeah.
Okay.
That makes sense.
Got it.
Okay, we got another Super Chat here.
We got Shane M. Thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
Tara?
Yes, you finally got her.
20th times the charm.
20th times the charm.
Tara's based.
Oh, no.
That OnlyFans model was cringy, not you.
Yeah, yeah.
Thank you, Shane.
She was funny.
Oh, my God.
Thank you.
I honestly, I thought she was pretty cool, but she didn't think I was.
Do you want to give a little wink to Shane?
Boom.
Oh, that was adorable.
Thanks, Shane.
An attempt was made.
All right, cool.
Let's do a video reaction, Eric.
Can you pull up the video tab?
All right, we're going to.
Oh, oh, shit.
Oh, wow.
I need to be shouting this out more.
Fuck, I've been.
Holy shit, wait.
Scroll down a bit.
Damn, thank you to all of you who followed.
Holy shit, I should have been shouting this out more 41th, 41st show.
Wait, you can watch this on Amazon?
Twitch.
It's on Twitch.
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Holy shit.
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Appreciate it.
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Scroll down just a bit.
Let me get these other people.
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Thank you very much, guys.
Okay, so let's pull up the video.
Thank you for, by the way, Eric, thank you for pulling that up.
Appreciate it.
Let's do the Emrata Mia Khalifa thing.
Actually, before you play it, let me, hold on.
So Mia Khalifa was recently, I guess, Emily Radatoui, as we'll call her.
She has Emily Radakowski.
She has like a podcast, had Mia Khalifa on as a guest.
Mia Khalifa, no stranger to controversy.
She had this recent take and I wanted to react to it.
I have my take, but we'll have the girls react to it first.
Eric, go ahead.
Any guy who goes after a girl significantly younger than them is severely lacking in their life.
And I mean that confidence-wise, I mean, like, they are falling short in so many places that that is the only place they can turn to to feel like they have something on the scale of power.
And it's, I mean, ultimately, it's predatory.
I mean, there's just no way to kind of, because you're manipulating someone who is not aware of what they're giving you.
And it's unfair.
Your reaction.
Agree, disagree thoughts.
I kind of agree.
I don't feel like it's very weird if like a 30-year-old who's like in their young 30s is dating someone in their like mid young 20s.
Like actually, actually, no.
If they're dating in mid-20s, I think that's fine.
If they're dating young 20s, I think it's a bit weird because there's so much development in your ears until you're like 25.
So I personally think it's a little bit odd, but I don't necessarily think it means you're failing in life.
I think it's based off maturity.
I feel like if an older man is going after a younger girl, I don't think it's about a dominance thing or manipulation thing.
I think it's honestly a sexual attraction.
I think young women look good.
And I think it's okay to like a young woman because she's hot.
And I get that.
So, but I mean, there is a line to that.
There is some perverts out there.
So watch out for them, lanes.
But I don't think that's always the case.
Okay.
I mean, personally, I would never date someone that's over 10 years.
Fucking like five years.
Yeah.
Five years older than me.
I don't feel comfortable with that.
I think, one, there will be a disconnect.
Two, it is a little creepy, especially giving my age.
I was literally a minor like a year and a half ago.
So it's pretty close to the edge.
I mean, I would say.
Year and a half ago, so you're nine, you're 19 and a half.
Yeah, pretty close.
I mean okay you're, you're an adult yeah, so it's not pretty close to you're an adult.
Yes, I'm an adult, but it's still like I, I would not feel comfortable doing that.
I also think that men I mean this goes for younger men going for younger women, like a senior going for a freshman or a 25 year old going for a high school student why can't you hold on?
Okay, we're talking about adult relationships, we're not yeah, but she'd be 18 yeah yeah, it's still yes, and more um, but what i'm trying to say is that I, I could get it under some circumstances.
But it's also like, why does he need to go for younger women?
Can he get older women?
It's.
I mean, I feel like a lot of guys who go for younger women just can't get women their age and that's a red flag to me, unless it is genuinely just a psychosexual sexual preference and you just like younger girls.
Well, just on that point I would.
I would argue that actually for a guy, say in his early 30s or whatever, to be dating a woman who's say 19, 20 or 21, he actually has to be much more attractive to get a woman that young than to be dating a woman his age.
I mean yes and no.
I think it's more about being attractive.
I think it's about that success, and when you're younger it's kind of cool to be like yeah, my boyfriend's older and yeah, my boyfriend's a big-time lawyer and he does all this shit and you have to be older to do a lot of those things.
So well, maybe he has to be super attractive, but I don't think it's just about that.
Well, I mean attractive, it could be physically attractive, it could be status, it could be personality, it could be um finances, but uh shit, I sorry guys, I lost my train of thought.
Happens to me too.
I feel like I don't know.
It's just, I personally wouldn't date anyone, probably over 27 maybe, and i'm 19, I just turned 19.
So that's just my personal preference.
I don't want a guy who's like super overly like, like mature than me and has so much life experience that, like I feel inferior.
Yeah, like I want to be able to grow with the person i'm with, not feel like i'm like bringing them back to their younger age, like I don't want to feel like that.
My parents are 22 years apart.
My dad's 22 years older than my mom, so I always am on the side of it's not predatory, because I don't believe my dad's a predator.
Yeah, I can see that too, because my parents are 10 years apart, like to the day.
But at the same time, I do see some tendencies with guys where it is more predatory rather than like because, like how she said, like why aren't they dating people their own age?
And like yeah okay, maybe it is sexual and like that makes sense.
But at the same time, like I do see some guys only wanting to date younger women so they feel like, like Mia said, that like have some power over them or kind of be a little controlling yeah, and if like, that's the motive, then that's not good.
Yeah, no doubt.
Yeah okay, there's always going to be cases where like, men are predatory, they prener girls.
But what Mia Cleava said was any guy who goes for a woman significantly younger is predatory.
My mom is objectively, significantly younger than my dad.
My dad is not a predator.
My dad loves my mom and they just fell in love and we're yeah well, I mean, like would we say it's weird if an older woman was going for a younger guy.
That happens all the time.
San Diego is huge, like they.
There's so many guys out there that go to this certain club that have these male soccer women, yeah and yeah, they love it.
They loved it, and the girls love it too.
They're all about it.
So I mean, like again, maturity preference, I think sexual, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, and it is interesting that she left out men there.
She said it's men who go after young women.
That's predatory.
She didn't, there was no caveat, like, oh, also, women too.
So there does seem to be a bit of a double standard there.
Well, I mean, it was a 20-second clip.
I would like to see more of what's going on.
Into the mic.
Into the mic.
Oh, sorry.
It was a 20-second clip.
I mean, that was kind of just like a little sound, but you can do whatever you want with it.
I would like to actually watch the full thing and then I judge it.
But yeah.
Yeah, maybe there's more context.
Unfortunately, that was all that was available.
It was on like their podcast isn't on the whole video wasn't released yet.
It was just like they released these snippets like pre-news or whatever.
So, but I'm going to assume that's most of the conversation around that.
But yeah, certainly perhaps they did add some additional caveats or whatever.
But also, just to clarify, I didn't mean to, I wasn't trying to like convince you that you were wrong for having a preference.
You're totally free to have your preference of, hey, I'd rather date someone within five years of me.
That's totally fine.
I was just more wanted clarification on why you think it's creepy.
That's my preference.
Like, I would feel creepy.
Okay.
I'm not saying everyone else is creepy.
Like, I would be creep the fuck out.
Okay.
Like, if a 19-year-old wants to date a 40-year-old, and like, as long as all of it's consensual, it's safe, then go for it.
Like, I mean, sometimes I don't even think that it's always guys going for girls.
Like, I think that tends to be the case.
But, I mean, some girls do prefer older guys, guys who have their life together.
I have a close friend of mine who actively goes out of her way to date men who are in their 40s.
Yeah.
I'm not going to lie.
In her young 20s.
Yeah, when I just like right shortly after I turned 18, I tried to pursue a guy that was like 28, 29.
And like, that was me trying to be with him.
And then, like, it worked out.
And, yeah, so I don't know.
It's not always the guy pursuing the younger girl.
Good point.
Good point.
Just be honest.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think what I was going to go for.
I'm kind of actually surprised by a lot of the answers because you often get quite a bit of pushback on this one, but there's some pretty good answers there.
Okay, so losing your train of thought?
A little bit.
A little bit.
No, so I would say, yes, generally, men are attracted to younger women for a myriad of reasons.
Me personally, most of the women I did are around my age range.
I'd say 25 to 33.
I've dated a 30, I dated a 45-year-old.
So, I mean, I'm open.
But generally speaking, in terms of the women that I would say I find the most physically attractive, 18 to 25.
And they've done studies on this.
Men all the way from age 18 to 65, they survey them.
They say, what demographic of women in terms of age do you find most physically attractive?
And it's usually between the age of 18 and like 22, 23.
So you don't look happy with that one.
Oh, no.
Oh, you're just reading the chat.
I mean, like, if we think about it, historically, like, it kind of like follows a pattern because, like, historically, like, 30, 40-year-old men were marrying 14-year-old girls.
Yeah, literally.
So, like, not saying that that should be a thing.
It should definitely be two adults consenting into a relationship or whatever they're doing.
But historically, it kind of makes sense why men tend to be attracted to younger women.
Eric, don't show that.
Oh.
But yeah, like it makes sense historically why that pattern would continue to follow through.
But I personally, my own preference, I wouldn't date anyone who's much, much older than me.
Word?
Word?
Period.
Yeah, no, I mean, you were on the panel last time when, I mean, most of the show, I think we were debating about this.
It spiraled in a word.
You could like really.
We took a jump from like the jump went from like adult relationships to pedophilia.
Oh, yeah.
No, pedophilia was not okay.
But it was like, and then it was a whole like, how is this the same thing?
Like, I brought up the same point about my parents.
Yeah.
So I'm like, how is that the same thing?
Like, yeah.
And then, and then, and then watch the episode.
It's a good one.
Just go watch it.
Yeah, people just, I don't know.
It's a mess.
But, yeah, I mean, in the clip, they say, hey, that's predatory.
That's, what were, what was it?
He doesn't, what is it?
He doesn't have his life.
I don't know.
What did she say?
Like, yeah, he doesn't, there's something wrong with him that he needs to have power over something in his life.
And that could backurge me.
It could backurate me, but I don't think it's always true.
Do you think Leonardo DiCaprio has something wrong with him?
Nope.
I think it's weird to like, if you're spending so much time with a woman and like you're, what's what?
What's up, come on, what do you think?
What do you think?
What's with the faces?
Nothing no, it's just.
I'm just thinking right now, like what are you thinking?
Tell me what you're thinking.
I mean, it's just an interesting age range that you have no, just us oh, and that like we're all very, very young.
No, this is not about you like being creepy or anything, what no, i'm just saying like we're all very young, like it's just interesting that you don't have other women on this podcast that are like 30s and maybe they could have a more, like 20 years.
I've been on wait, how old are you again?
I'm 21, but i've been on panels before that, 21 19 26, 19.
I mean look, Santa Barbara's a college town.
Yeah, there's much more college students than there are, I would say professional um, it's.
It just happens to be the case that um, most of the people that end up on the show on the show probably do skew a bit like college age.
But I mean, i've had, we had, I think, some oldest, probably women in her 40s.
We've had the last episode.
Didn't you have a bunch of 30 year olds?
No, were you on that one?
No, on tuesday, I mean it varies like we'll have uh geez tuesday, what did we?
I, because I feel like I, I started watching it and everyone started saying that they were like older.
I mean yeah we, we get a variety, but sometimes we'll have like, let me see yeah, it's a college city like okay well, we had a mom on who was like in her, who was 33.
We had a 35 year old, we had a 23, 23 and a 19 year old.
Um, before that we had a 28 year old 20 oh, that was the one you were on we, Lowie was 28, I think, 27.
i mean yeah so i mean maybe it's just the ones that i've watched but i'd say yeah it skews it skews a little younger but no i was just thinking like it's a college i don't know i know i know i'm just saying like maybe a better take not like me What's the word?
Trying to give you advice.
I was just like, oh, like if I was older, maybe I would have something better to say about this with my experience in life.
Sure, sure.
Okay, fair enough.
But yeah, no, I mean, like, ultimately, one of the one of the reasons, or probably one of the big reasons that men prefer young women, it's just hardwired attraction traits.
It's rooted in biology, evolutionary.
Young women are more capable of bringing a pregnancy to term.
So they're more likely to get pregnant.
They're more likely.
She's fertile, apparently.
Once you hit 35, you're getting into geriatric pregnancy territory, much more likely for birth defects.
Wait, which age?
35 and up.
Yeah, 35 and up, much more likely to have birth defects, much more likely to have difficulty actually getting pregnant.
You can get tested and check how likely.
But yeah, like around the age of 35, like your ability to get pregnant and have a healthy pregnancy does lower significantly.
Decline.
Yeah, and then there's a greater likelihood of miscarriage.
So men, for evolutionary reasons, have found youth to be an attraction trigger.
Yeah, attraction to fertility.
So not saying you should go for high school as a local.
When I say youth, I mean young women.
So, yeah.
And I mean, women also have biological evolutionary attraction triggers for men.
So, for example, tall men.
Yeah.
Articulate to me what precisely about someone who's tall makes them more attractive.
Okay.
Like tall babies.
Basketball babies.
That's what I say.
Also, growing up, being 5'7, like I was always taller than all the guys that I grew up in school with, which sucked, right?
So I, and I used to get made fun of.
5'7?
Yeah, 5'7.
It's not that tall, but like.
It's taller than the average.
Yeah, understand that.
I was 5'7 at seventh grade.
Yeah.
So most guys get that start way later in life, right?
So I was just there.
I don't know what happened.
You were the tall ones.
I was eating good, yeah.
But yeah, it sucked because dances that plays a primary role in the height situation, which I think honestly just carried on.
I don't really think it was like, it was always had to be a preference for me because it was forced on it.
And guys didn't want to dance with me because they were shorter than me.
Stop it.
And so I always felt like, man, I'm not going to go out with a guy who's not going to be interested in my height and think I'm like an ogre.
You know what I mean?
To get science-y and boring, because I don't know if the audience actually care about this.
Let's see.
So the reason why girls want a guy who's taller, there's nothing that means you're like necessarily more of a man by being taller and more of a woman by how short you are.
No.
But in like human mating psychology, I mean, this is the case for most primates or like any species, but there's something called sexual dimorphism.
So it's wanting to feel like women.
It's opposite.
As different you feel as a woman than to like the guy, you feel more feminine, and that makes you're more attracted to a guy who's as different, who's more different than you and less similar to you.
And a male's more attractive to a woman who is more different than him.
So why like there's typically a societal preference or like women prefer to like feel, you know, some women want to be, want to shave and men, like it's the women have the long hair, men have short hair.
Women pay the nails, guys don't.
Males have the body hair, but women don't.
Even if that's not natural and we exaggerate it, it's because we, we, for you know, sexual dimorphism being like as different as possible between the sexes is we find more attractive.
Would any of you guys date someone who's shorter than you?
I have.
Okay.
Yeah, because I have two.
But I'm going to be honest.
If a guy's shorter than me, then I want him to have like a lot of muscle.
Like, I'm going to be completely honest.
The guy I was with, he had a really great personality.
So I was like, okay.
Yeah.
Or if you'll just like love him.
Like, can't really.
You want a manlet?
A what?
A manlet.
What is that?
Like a nuts.
A short guy who's just fucking shit.
Well, I'm fine if he's tall, too.
But you said if you do date a short guy, you want him to be jacked.
Yeah.
Okay, full of muscle.
I just want him to be able to lift me up.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yes.
That's such a turn on.
Men, if you can lift up your lady.
They'll love it.
Toss me around.
And that's exactly.
Oh, God.
Should I bring it back here?
Oh, gosh.
I'm just saying, Victoria's Secret, they're fucking up.
Okay.
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Okay, so is there anything dating related that you want to get off your chest?
Maybe you've been on a bad date recently.
Maybe you have something that you dislike about dating.
I'm going to be honest.
Something going on with men.
I feel bad when like I go out on a date with like a guy who's super sweet and like super nice, but I just don't get that connection with him, that spark.
And like, how are you supposed to break that to him?
Because there's nothing wrong about him.
You're just like not sexually attracted to him.
Like, how do you approach that?
I actually just did this today.
Oh, gosh.
So there's, sorry.
There was this guy.
He's very sweet.
He's very tall.
Weird as fucked up.
And he happens to be my neighbor.
He lives two doors down.
So I see him all the time.
And he was really nice.
And there was like a couple of nights where I was like really fucked up.
Oh.
And I hooked up with him.
By hookup, we just like made out in the city.
That's all.
But then we left for break.
He's texting my friends, like, I miss Maya so much.
Like, everything about her is so amazing.
And then he sent me videos being like, I'm going to be so real.
I just like want to be with you right now.
And he was, he's genuinely a great person.
And I just left him on red.
And I feel like in this day and age, we're so conditioned to ghosting people instead of being like, look, I'm not interested.
And I don't think I've ever been taught or really learned how to do something like that because I've always been ghosted.
Not like, oh, I don't want to be with you.
It's always like, you'll never fucking see me again.
So for me, I just talked to him literally today.
I was like, look, like, I'm really sorry.
I'm just not interested in you.
I think you're really sweet and you're really nice, but I don't see anything happening between us.
Yeah.
I hope we can be friends.
I mean, there's not much you can do.
He's going to be awesome.
Just be straight up.
Yeah, just be straight up and be nice.
Yeah.
So were you straight up?
Because you were turning him down, right?
Yeah.
I was like, yeah, I'm just simply not interested in you.
I think you're really sweet and you're a really great person.
And if you like to be friends, that's cool.
But.
So that's what she said?
Verbatim?
Okay.
I'm going to be honest.
just ghosted the guy yeah that's what I Just one guy, though.
But I felt that.
Nice guys finished last, boys.
That's how it works.
It can be honest with us.
See, I kind of like a weird guy.
I like weird men.
If they can be a little goofy with me, I like that.
But you said you went on a date with this guy.
He sounded like he was perfectly weird.
I don't know.
He was nice.
He was a little boring.
Yeah, I didn't feel the spark.
Because he was nice.
No.
Nice guys finished last.
I love dating nice guys, nice people, but I didn't feel the chemistry.
I feel like, because you could be with someone who's like a great person, but if there's no chemistry, like there's no point in being with you.
Was he attractive physically?
Yeah, he was like pretty decently attractive.
But he was boring.
Yeah, I didn't feel the spark.
I was like, the conversation was fine.
I guess I got like a friend vibe with him instead of a like boyfriend sort of vibe.
That's interesting because I'm looking for someone who's like my best friend.
So I've had like lots of guys, you know, I've gone, you know, on dates and they're nice.
They seem like they're great guys.
They're kind to me.
They're cute.
But just none of them have felt like best friend.
And not that like your boyfriend has to be your best friend, but it's nice to be able to do that.
Like someone you can never get bored of.
I'm looking for like if I, that's how I'm like learning how to weed out which of these people, you know, I would see again or go on a second date with or something.
It's like, if I wouldn't be their friend outside of this, then that's how I know I like shouldn't, you know, go on a second date or something.
Yeah.
The last guy I was dating, he, I did not feel a spark the first time we hung out.
Like, because we met at a bar and like I was, had my drunk goggles on and I was like, you're cute.
And then we went out and I was sober and I was like, damn.
But then the first time, like, I didn't feel a spark.
Like, I felt very much friend vibes.
But then I was like, you know what?
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Like, I'll go out with him again.
I went out with him again.
Still kind of felt that way, but felt more like intrigued by him.
And then by like third, fourth date, I was like, okay, yes, I do like him.
I just have to take a little time.
You followed through.
Yeah.
You were a trooper.
You're a better woman.
Yeah.
I mean, what's, have you guys had like such a terrible date before?
Like, what's been the worst date you've ever gone on?
Oh, my God.
Wait, sorry.
I just want to.
We'll get to that.
I just realized.
I just realized, though, I did miss a couple super chats.
So let me just get them.
Sorry, guys.
Hyun.
I'm going to brood it.
Hyun Wook Seoul?
Thank you for the $10 super chat, man.
I appreciate it.
I'm Korean man, and I live in Arizona.
I subscribed your channel more than five years, but my question is, how to get American girls?
My preferences white girls, but honestly, it is so hard.
Any recommend?
First off, work on your grammar a little bit.
No, I'm kidding, man.
Thank you for the super chat.
Yeah, so Asian men definitely struggle when it comes to dating outside their race.
Honestly, you're going to just have to have to level up, get your finances right, get fucking fit, just make yourself as attractive as possible.
But yeah, I do think a lot of people do seem to have a, I don't know.
I don't know.
We'll ask the girls.
I've heard a lot of women say that they don't find themselves.
Oh, shit.
Flan Life, what's up?
We'll get to that in just a sec.
Flan Life, I see you.
Thank you, though, man.
I've heard a lot of women say that they just, and I think it's okay for people to have preferences, right?
But I've heard them say, hey, I just don't find Asian men attractive.
I pretty much only like Mexicans, so yeah.
I mean, my last ex was Asian, so.
Okay.
I'm Korean, by the way, but my preference is white as well.
Did I pronounce his name right?
No, I don't know how to pronounce his name.
Sorry, man.
I don't know how to pronounce your name, but I am Korean.
Are you full Korean or I'm half Korean, half Mexican?
Do you speak?
No, I don't.
I wish, yeah.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Okay, so.
Yeah.
I'm sure there's a white girl out there that will want you, man.
Just keep trying.
I'm honest.
Times are changing.
Yeah.
Times are changing.
Just keep going out there.
Be persistent.
Don't be too persistent.
That's weird.
But it seems desperate.
Any thoughts on.
If you want, oh, I can.
Oh, sorry.
Do you want to go?
Go ahead.
Okay.
I didn't think.
I didn't.
I didn't seem like you're going to say anything.
Sorry.
If the question is how to get American girls, I don't know.
Maybe make them feel like special and cool.
Like play the foreign card that maybe seem like, oh, American girls are, I love your accent.
I don't know.
Actually, I wouldn't recommend acknowledging that you're an American girl.
That might make them feel like you're trying to exotify.
Exotic fight.
I don't get me.
Dating apps.
Yeah.
Fuck it.
There's someone out there for everyone.
You just have to weave through.
You'll get your white girl.
Yeah.
You'll get you.
My suggestion.
If they like BTS, you've got an in.
Ooh, you've gotten in.
I'm just saying.
You're going to have to do the little frilly feminine hair shit or whatever that they do.
Yeah, and you probably, I don't know, plastics or don't they all have plastics or I don't know.
They're just pretty.
But yeah.
Okay.
Interesting question.
I recently read a statistic, though, that I think Asian men do tend to struggle a bit more when it comes to dating than their female counterparts, than Asian women.
There's something like Asian women are about twice as likely to marry outside of their race as Asian men.
And I think the number is something like, there's a Wikipedia page on this.
I don't know if I can, if it's worth pulling up, but basically I think it's like if there's 150,000 Asian women in the U.S. who are in interracial marriages, or sorry, excuse me, if there's 300 million, sorry.
If there's 300,000 Asian women who are in interracial marriages, there's only 150,000 Asian men who are in interracial marriages.
And I think looking at those statistics would confirm that it's a bit more difficult for Asian men to date outside the world.
I feel like that's culturally too.
Like, I feel like they're comfortable.
I think they, I can't speak for everyone, but I just feel like I notice that Asians tend to kind of like hang out together and kind of, you know, date each other.
And even in high school, we had an Asian tree.
And like, that's, and it's so funny to say that, but literally, it's because they all hung out there and they all like hooked up with each other and you know, grew on, you know.
But I do feel like it's a cultural thing.
I don't think they just all chose to do that.
I think it's naturally they feel comfortable.
Do you think that, and also maybe we should clarify because he's he's not Asian American, it sounds like.
He says he's Korean, but he's living in Arizona.
So I definitely think that could be another factor because, I mean, judging by his grammar, maybe he's not as proficient in English.
I mean, speaking and writing are two different things.
But yeah, I think there's probably an even greater disadvantage for him because he's foreign born instead of being Asian American.
Right, yes, absolutely.
So there's a barrier.
Yeah, and I know you mentioned that there was like, what did you say, a troop or something?
A tree.
It's a tree.
And it's in high school.
You know how you work in cliques?
Everybody's in high school.
Yeah.
Well, they had a tree where they would actually sit and hang out and eat lunch at.
So we called it the Asian tree.
Oh.
Yeah, I know.
Wait, you called it that or other people?
Other people.
You go to high school.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not even playing with y'all.
You all know how it is in high school.
It's all cliques.
It's all established by years prior to you.
And it was a tree established, okay?
There was a beater table too, and I was part of both factions.
Yeah, I was, yeah.
I was in the Jew crew, if that makes any sense.
There you go.
Yeah.
That's just high school.
I don't know.
Chat, be careful.
Careful, chat.
Okay, so we have Red Misfit here with the $10 Soup Chat.
Is it me or do women make everything ambiguous and complicated, including their sexuality?
I think it's because a lot of their decisions have to do with their emotions, feelings.
What do you think, Brian?
Red.
Well, damn it, Red.
The girls kind of had a reaction to your super chat, so why don't I open it up to them first before I give you my answer?
Be careful.
Don't make any words with emotions or feelings.
I'm going to be honest.
I feel like systematically women are told they can express their emotions more than men.
So I feel like that's why we tend to come off as more emotional because we were raised to kind of embrace that side of ourselves where like men aren't always, when they're younger, most of the time they're told like, don't cry, like, don't be emotional.
So I think that kind of has a factor in it where like women kind of embrace that side of themselves more.
I don't know what you mean about including their sexuality though.
Like he might be implying that we're confused just because we're wishy-washy with our emotions.
Oh, might he be suggesting that there are more women who are bi-curious than there are men who are bi-curious, for example.
I think that's also has to do a lot with kind of with that men are kind of taught or expected to be not emotionless, not emotionless, but very macho and very masculine and very strong.
And apparently somewhere down the line, emotions became a feminine trait.
I don't know how, but here we are.
And I think that we have allowed ourselves to explore our sexuality more.
And I feel like a lot of other men, if they had the ability to do so, you would find are also bi.
I genuinely believe it's not just women.
I think it's that men are afraid to and almost expected not to and feel as if they're not allowed to explore their sexuality.
I agree.
I agree.
Well, I guess you asked me so I can give you my take.
I mean, I would say generally speaking, in terms of making everything ambiguous, men and women tend to communicate differently.
Men communicate overtly.
We're more overt communicators.
Women are more covert in their communication in the sense that like, I don't know, have you guys ever had a situation where there's like a, maybe you've maybe not you, but you've seen like a female friend and you're super pleasant to her and the minute she leaves, you're like, fuck that bitch.
A fake person?
Okay.
I mean, men know.
Okay, whatever.
Stereotype, Brian.
You fucking misogynist.
I have because I know that bitch is acting the same way with me.
Okay, so you've had that where they're, to your face, they're like, uh, and then they're talking shit behind your back or whatever.
So it's also like to keep the peace, like not everything's about like, you're a bitch, you're a bitch, I'm not going to talk to you.
Well, if you're in like a workplace setting or if you're mutual friends with this person or you have a lot of connections, like you know what, just bite the bullet and be like a fake bitch for like five seconds.
It's fine.
Yeah.
It's better than creating excess drama.
That's fair.
All right, we got Rain Jim65 here with the $10.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate the super chat.
Would date a guy that could could.
Could.
Oh, that's a new one.
Could Wood cook Mexican?
Is this like Dr. Seuss?
What's going on here?
It's sushi and Italian food, 31 years old, NJ.
I play guitar and sing very.
Oh, okay.
He's like.
Oh, remember we told him to give me a little bit of a music.
Oh, okay.
He cooks Mexican food, sushi and Italian food, 31 years old and New Jersey.
I play guitar and sing very well, thinking about joining a band.
I got one lined up.
What was the original?
It was Wood.
Oh, would you date a guy like me?
Yes, if you had correct grammar.
Ooh.
Rain Jim.
You're going to have to cook.
I play the drums.
We could start a band.
Okay.
Tarot.
I got lights.
I got the board.
I got a speaker.
New Jersey's a little far.
He cooks.
The cooking's nice.
I like a man who can cook, personally.
Rain Jim, would you be down to fly any of these girls out for a date?
Wow.
Fly all of us out.
Orgy territory.
Good luck, Jen.
Okay, we got Shane here with the $10.
Thank you for the $10 super chat, man.
Appreciate it.
To be honest, I'm just disappointed that Mike Davis hasn't been in chat for weeks.
Yeah, where's Mike Davis been?
Yeah.
Eric, pull up the Burger King photo.
Who's Mike Davis?
Pull it up.
Who's Mike Davis?
How dare he?
That degenerate?
Not being injured.
Who is Mike Davis?
Mike Davis.
Honestly, I might have to take it down.
He hasn't been in chat for a little bit.
Yeah, this is Mike Davis.
If you guys don't know, he's a proprietor.
He owns many Burger King establishments on the East Coast.
So if you guys, he's like a big supporter of the show.
So if you guys are ever, you know, on the East Coast, let me know.
I'll get in touch with our boy Mike D. He'll hook it up with some fucking Burger Kings whenever you want.
Mike D, thank you.
All up and down the East Coast.
He's got the hookup.
So what's up?
I said a whopper.
He'll give you a whopper.
We don't have Burger King here.
We used to, I think.
Yeah, a long time ago.
Is he?
Look at them right here.
Look at this.
Look at this fucking guy.
Look at this fucker.
What a handsome one.
Look at that guy.
How dare you?
Mike Davis, if you're secretly watching.
Yeah, he's in his Burger King.
We changed it.
It used to be his normal photo, but Mike Davis.
If I don't see you next show, by next show.
It's coming to send a search party.
Yeah, I think we need to send a search party.
Thank you for the assist there.
Okay, so we have big Flan Life here.
With the Canadian $100, Merci Bucou, c'est c'est vrémond tre génial, merci.
You probably know he didn't speak French, but whatever.
Tu par français.
Ouiu je par français.
Toio si?
Oui.
Merde.
Poutin.
Poutin.
Okay.
Sorry for the cringe earlier.
I instantly regretted it.
Hope everyone has a good night.
You're all beautiful.
You too, Brian.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
I forgot what he sent earlier.
I think it was the trans stuff.
Oh, by the way, is this Leonardo No Caprio, Flan Life?
Come on.
Yo, Flan Life.
Thank you for the big $100 Canadian.
How much is that?
Let's convert, though.
We should do conversion.
100 Canadian.
Bruv.
Abusing?
Chat is.
Okay, so Eric, can you just type into Google 100 Canadian so we can show the chat?
I think Flan Life is kind of abusing here.
He's abusing.
Chat, is he abusing?
It's like $5.
Wait, really?
I thought it was like 80.
It's 74?
Chat?
He's kind of abusing the red, you know.
Just saying.
Claiming that it's 100.
No, I'm kidding, man.
Thank you for the support.
Yeah, maybe one day the Canadian dollar will equalize a bit better.
But yeah, I appreciate the support, man.
Confirm or deny.
Are you Leonardo No Caprio?
Okay.
We have Flan Life here with the subsequent Canadian $10.
So the $7.
How dare you, sir?
I'm kidding.
Do women find redheads/slash gingers attractive?
I do.
Nah.
Okay, so I'm going to be so real.
Like, I think ginger women are attractive, but for men.
Why did you point to her?
Because she's ginger.
I know.
That's just dyed, right?
Yeah.
I believe the only people who can have this natural hair is if like they're, I'm pretty sure if they're like Mexican or like Latino and they have the like ginger hair gene.
Yeah, so my dad is actually a redhead with full body freckles.
Oh shit.
It's actually from his Korean side, believe it or not.
Oh, wow.
Interesting.
I mean, for me.
Yes, sometimes, but more often than not.
For some reason, when I was really young, I did, and then I think that's because I had a thing for Ronald Weasley.
But now.
I mean, honestly, no, I really don't care.
There's no one that I like specifically don't find attractive, but more often than not, I haven't been attracted to them.
Most of the time, I'm like.
I don't know why I played that.
Most of the time, I like dyed red hair, but most of the time when I've seen natural redheads, I just don't think they're attractive.
I like, I think it's cute.
Maybe gingers and freckles.
The freckles are adorable.
Flan Life.
Her DMs are open.
Okay.
Shoot your shot.
Okay.
So let's get back.
Anything dating related that you want to get off on your chest?
I think you did.
You said something about that.
I was asking about everyone's worst date.
Okay.
We could do that really quick.
Do you want to start?
Oh, gosh.
What has been the worst date I've ever gone on?
Honestly, I've been on pretty decent dates.
The only, I don't know.
Can we come back to me?
I need to think about it.
Oh, come on.
You asked the question.
But we'll move on, guys.
Okay, so I really, like, this guy and I just didn't vibrate.
Like, he initiated the date.
We met up at a bar.
Both paying our own tab, by the way.
Just fine.
And I ordered my mark.
We're having some good conversation.
It's going to the part where we're just getting to know each other.
He immediately was like, well, meanwhile, back in the ranch, you know, me and my boys, my aunt, Mama Joe.
Like, we went and we went to the farm and did all this stuff.
And I'm like, and it just came out of nowhere.
Like, the slang came out of nowhere.
And I'm like, okay, like, turn off there.
And then it kind of just persisted on to him showing me his guy's group chat.
Like, I know men have group chats, but like, I'm not supposed to be seeing it.
Like, I know I'm not supposed to be seeing it.
You don't want to.
And this is a first date.
So, and he's like, has five guys in this chat.
He's like, yeah, let me show you what me and my boys are talking about today.
And I'm like, okay.
So he starts scrolling and instantly I'm seeing the nasty.
I mean, you guys know.
Like, no, like, what?
And I literally tell him, like, look, you know, I appreciate the date and everything.
I'm having a good time for right now, but I really feel like this is getting really inappropriate.
I'm kind of feeling uncomfortable.
I even told him, I was like, if we can, like, change the topic, that would be great.
If not, I'm not going to finish my drink and I'm going to leave.
And he didn't like that.
I could totally understand that.
And I was trying to, you know, relieve the situation and be like, look, I had, you know, we could just trying to like start new conversation.
It just continued on.
And I ended up just leaving my drink and leaving.
And that was the first and only time I've ever done that and left somebody at the same spot.
Good for you, though.
Yeah.
That's hard.
It just felt inappropriate.
I mean, I felt like no guy would want to share that information.
One, because that's his friends telling their private life.
Two, it really shows what kind of person you are.
And three, I'm not even in your circle yet.
First date.
Shouldn't be seeing it.
Yeah.
Yikes.
I wouldn't.
Well, I don't have a group chat, so I wouldn't be.
But that, yeah, that's not a good mess.
Brian.
You're friends, though.
What friends?
I'm a loser.
Lone wolf.
Lone wolf.
Bad date.
Bad date.
One.
Let's try to keep it short, though.
This is very short.
Once I was in Philly over the summer, and I was going out with this guy.
And I think it was like our second date.
It was kind of like it was, there was always like this weird awkward tension, like we could never really click, whatever.
We were in Rittenhouse Square, and we're sitting on this park bench.
And I go to kiss him, but like my hand like spazzes or something.
And like, so I like put my hand on him like this.
And then I just kind of like slap him.
And he was like, what the fuck?
And I was like, oh, oh, I started freaking out.
I was like, it was an accident.
I was like, no, there was like, there was just a bug on your face.
Like, there's just something on your face.
And then I just kept touching his face.
I was like, I got it.
I got it.
I got it.
So that was bad.
And then after that, I found out that his brother was this guy who I hooked up with a year before.
No.
That's a good one.
So that was a fun.
I know they're talking shit about me.
Wow.
Okay.
A bad date I've been on.
I had known this guy that I worked with before and we had gone on like two dates before.
We stopped talking for like two years.
He asked me out again and he was trying to be like, oh, like, I want to buy you a new outfit so you can go out with me.
He sends me 50 bucks and I was like, I'm going to need at least 100.
So then he sends me another 50.
I'm like, okay, I guess.
He drives, he picks me up.
We drive all the way to Oxnard and we go to Jen Korean barbecue.
So you like cook in front of you.
The whole time, like he's just trying to be like all close and like touchy feeling, like touch my leg.
And I'm like, okay, like, can we wait at least if you want to act like that?
Whatever.
We leave.
We're in the car.
I tell him to put a song on that I love.
And then you can tell if you don't know a song.
And he just tries to start singing the song.
And like, it was the cringiest moment of my life.
And he was like, like a sec, like completely off.
And I was just like, okay, no.
He parks by the beach and he's like, so what's up?
And I was like, no.
I was like, honestly, at this point, if you can't even sing the song I like and you're acting like you're trying to sing the song, like take me home.
And he was like, what?
Like, I bought you a new outfit.
I took you to dinner.
And now you're acting like this.
And I was like, I'm going to act like this because you're taking me home.
And then he just got mad.
And I was like, well, that's that.
And then he just took me home.
Ripped.
Yep.
I mean, like, if at the end of the date, someone like tries to guilt trip you into being like, well, I paid for you.
Yeah, it's like, what am I a fucking prostitute?
Like, that means nothing.
I still have choices.
If I'm not comfortable, I will leave.
Yeah, we don't like the manipulation.
No.
Uh-uh.
I don't have mine.
I don't have any like dates that went really bad.
Just it's just a bad day when you like think you're on a date and then find out that it's not a date.
That's the only bad dates I've been on is like going on things that you I like thought were dates and then so you're like when you friended a guy and oh yeah.
That's when it happened.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's tough.
I think like the only like worst thing that's happened is like a guy like him not really wanting to like saying he wants to go out on a date and then he's just like oh like you get there and he's just like so like you down to fuck like date means have sex.
Like that's what I don't like.
I'm like, oh, I thought we were gonna like have a nice evening together and like get to know each other, but okay.
Like I think that's probably been the worst experience I've had.
Wait, he just was super blunt.
Oh yeah, he was like, so like, are you down to fuck?
And I was like, oh, I'm like, I don't even know.
You just picked me up five seconds ago.
Yeah.
No, or like when you're expecting, like, you, I feel like it's when you're not, you haven't come up with a distinct plan, but you're expecting like either to go out to dinner or like go and do something.
Yeah.
And then, oh, I actually do have a worse state.
I'll make it quick.
I was supposed to go on a date with this guy, and I had left my house and gone to get coffee.
And it was like nine o'clock at night.
And he was supposed to be ready at eight.
So I went and got coffee and I was like, oh, I'll just like sit in the coffee parking lot and I'll like drink coffee and wait for him.
I waited in that parking lot for three hours until 12 o'clock.
And I had been talking to this guy for like a couple months and he just completely ghosted me after that.
What?
Yeah.
And it was really sad because like the first time him and I ever hung out, like nothing happened.
Like it was really great and I was really enjoying his company.
And then like all of a sudden, like he just ghosted me.
Yeah.
Wait, so it was the second date?
We had been on, this would have been the third date, actually.
What?
Yeah.
And like the night before he had been texting me and like he was drunk and he was just like, I like you so much.
Like I'm so into you.
I can't wait to see you tomorrow.
Like yeah, so I'm assuming that he's into me because why would you tell someone that if you're not?
And then next day, like I'm I got all ready for this date.
Like I bought a new outfit and everything.
I told him to buy it.
I should have.
But yeah, he ghosted me and I waited in that parking lot for three hours.
Yeah.
Damn.
Yeah.
That's been an hour I would have left.
Yeah, I know I should have left.
20 minutes.
Yeah.
See, I really liked him.
Wait, did y'all smashed?
No, we didn't.
The second date, we made out and that was it.
You didn't smash?
No.
Because I was really trying to get to know him, and he didn't seem like he was expecting to smash.
First date, nothing happened.
Okay.
Nothing.
Pissed on the second.
Pissed on the second.
Like, made out more so, like, you know, grinding and shit.
But then I thought on the third date we were going to sleep together.
I was so down for it.
But then he ghosted me.
So yeah.
Sucks for him.
He didn't get it.
So did you ever get back in touch with him?
He did.
He hit me up.
He had my bathing suit.
Yeah.
And this is back in Sacramento.
I think he had a girlfriend or something.
That's what I'm thinking.
He definitely just had a girlfriend who's like, no, like it was fun to present.
Something.
Yeah.
Well, and then he texts me because I'm like, hey, can I have my bathing suit back, please?
I'm going back to Santa Barbara.
And he texts me like a month later after that.
After I sent that text, he's like, oh, sorry, I was out of the country.
No, I'm going to get back to you.
I was like, don't lie to me.
Like, what?
Wait, so, but he, okay, so he ghosted you on the third date.
He ghosted you.
And there was no communication with him until the bathing suit thing.
And that was like, he acted like nothing happened.
That's really weird.
I think so, too.
I think so, too, because I thought we both had been like talking for a long time.
And like we have been going on these dates.
Like I thought, I wasn't expecting anything serious, but because I was going back to Santa Barbara and I think he was going back to Santa Maria.
That's weird, right?
Oh, he lived in Santa Maria.
That was your first red flag.
Well, no, he actually lived in Santa Barbara.
He lived in Sacramento, went to CC here.
So we both would have been staying in the same place at the same time.
How old was he?
Oh, gosh.
How old was he?
I think he was like 20.
It's the same age.
So did he meet up with you to give you the swimsuit or what happened there?
No, I texted him.
I was like, he was like, oh, hey, sorry, out of the country.
I'm like, okay, when can I get my bathing suit?
He's like, I can drop it off soon.
I was like, okay, I live here.
Can you drop it off?
And then he also just hasn't responded yet.
Was this recently?
Yeah.
It was like two weeks ago?
Yeah.
No, I'm being serious.
Yeah, I was about to say, damn, bro.
Oh, my God.
I mean, I did get a new bathing suit, but I still wanted my bathing suit back because it was an expensive bathing suit.
I was really sad.
I ghosted him on like cash up or something.
No, I don't want anything to do with him.
Why would I want to acknowledge anyone who does that type of stuff?
Did you ask him, like, yo, what happened?
I did.
And then no, he just never acknowledged it.
Yeah.
That's a yikes.
You know what's bad, though?
Like, I feel so terrible at that, but I'm thinking, like, I know girlfriends, girls who have to guys on a daily basis, like, really lead them on, like, because they like them, but like, you know, like, think they're going on dates and then we'll just ghost like out of nowhere.
So I guess like, I wouldn't go that far along and ghost.
I would ghost when it's like appropriate.
But she, not only did she get ghosted, she got stood up.
Yeah, that's that's I think that's the standing up part is bad.
No, and like him and I had been like texting that night and then all of a sudden just complete ghosts.
I mean three you shouldn't have waited three hours.
I know, I know.
Wow.
Listen, I understand.
I know.
I'm a simp.
I am such a simp.
I am a simp.
Yeah.
Huh?
Well, I mean, probably not after that guy.
He's probably, that's some baggage right there.
Still a simp.
Okay.
Well, in any case, as far as people being late on dates, like I think 30 minutes max and then 30 minutes max.
And if they're 10 minutes, 15 minutes late, like you need to be hitting them up, ETA.
Yeah.
Are you going to, are you still coming?
Are you going to be here soon?
Give him a call.
But yeah, 30 minutes maximum, and then you just leave.
I've learned my lesson.
You just leave.
It's funny because his excuse is his sister was at the house.
So I should have known from then.
Maybe he gave your.
I didn't have my.
Would that be a big L?
Like, if he gave your bathing suit to a new girl he was a little bit more.
Oh my God, such an L. Such an L.
Oh, God.
He's like, here, babe.
I got you a new bathing suit.
I got you a bathing suit, babe.
Oh, my God.
All right, before I give you my worst date, I'm going to do a couple super chats.
Actually, before I do super chats, can you pull up Twitch really quick, Eric?
Let's see who we got.
twitch.tv slash whatever boys all right we oh wait um Oh, okay.
I don't know.
Wait.
Did I?
Wait.
Was it this long ago?
Did I get Caboose?
Scroll down?
Did I?
Scroll down?
Did I get Caboose?
Are you sure I got Caboose?
I don't know if I got Caboose.
Scroll down just a bit more.
A bit more, a bit more.
Dragomatic, thank you, Dragomatic.
Thank you, Caboose, for the follow.
Thank you.
Wait, wait, wait.
Caboose for the tier one prime.
Or sorry.
Fuck.
Wait, no.
Wait, I did get Caboose, right?
Five gifted subs.
Well, Caboose, thank you for the five gifted.
Jay Pickles, thank you for the follow.
DeRawal, thank you for the follow.
Okay, I got these.
My bad.
I'm fucking up.
Go up.
Captain Brian, thank you for the follow.
Sour Milk and Pennies, thank you for the follow.
Sorry, tongue twisted here.
Josh on Gosh, thank you for the follow.
Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.
We are currently live there too.
The quality is way better on Twitch.
Drop us a follow.
Drop us a Prime sub if you have it.
Totally free.
Amazon Prime, link it up.
Quick, free, easy way to support the show.
Okay, so let's see.
We've got a bunch of super chats here.
We got Azul69, girl on left, so fine.
Just want to be her best friend.
Hold the door open for her.
Pay for her dinner.
Hold on.
Hold on, guys.
That is so beautiful.
Thank you.
Pay for your dinner.
All right.
I got to read this shit with a fucking fedora.
Okay.
Girl on left, so fine.
Just wants her to be her best friend.
Hold the door open for her.
Pay for her dinner.
And turn my body into a human bridge so that she can walk across puddles.
Brian, take me out with an oo-woo, please.
Hold on, I got you.
Hold on.
Fuck, I'm fucking up.
All right.
All right.
Azul69.
Thank you, man.
Thank you.
Oh, my God.
That was sweet.
Walk across those puddles.
So romantic.
All right.
Thank you, Azul.
All right, we got Shane M. $10 Super Chat.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
I'll be your friend, Brian.
Thank you, man.
I'm lonely.
I'm lonely.
Okay, we got DeRaul.
Thank you for becoming a member, man.
Appreciate it.
We got Flan Life with the big $50 Super Chat.
You're fucking legend, dude.
Grabs me, boys.
Mike D, I want some burgers, bro.
Yeah, Mike D, where you at?
Where are you at, dude?
Unfortunate.
Luke Warm with the $10 Super Chat.
Thank you, man.
To the panel, do you think the opposite sex has it easier in general?
If so, would you trade places?
Lukewarm, let me pull this back up in a little bit just because it's a question.
We will get to it, though.
Eric, remind me if I forget, but we will pull this back up.
Daral with the $10 Super Chat.
I'm Asian, or sorry, 10 British pounds.
I'm Asian, Indian, and had no issue attracting white girls.
Improve yourself, hit the gym, learn how to talk to women, go out and get rejected as much as Brian did.
Great example.
Yes, I am the most publicly rejected man.
I'm the most public publicly rejected person in the history of the world.
Have you guys seen those videos?
Uh-oh.
He walks up and like asks.
Well, okay, it was a set of social experiments.
We had a girl go up to guys, ask them straight up, hey, do you want to have sex?
Yeah.
Did that nive?
She got a bunch of yeses.
I did the same thing, just going up to girls being like, hey, do you want to hook up?
Do you want to have sex?
No, I got, well, I did it two times, once here in the U.S., once in Europe.
I got one yes in Europe out of 200 and none in the U.S.
So technically, I'm the most publicly rejected human in the history of the universe.
That's a fucking Guinness World record right there.
But yeah, guys, you got to level up, hit the gym, get your money right, get your game right.
And it's a numbers game, guys.
Doesn't matter if you're white, black, whatever.
It's a numbers game when it comes to women.
You got to just got to be fucking doing, fuck, what is it?
Quantity.
You have to have the Riz.
the riz yeah guys you have to be uh there's a term for it got to be working quantity you have to be uh just yeah anyways uh Okay.
Eric, can you pull up, um, in the Dropbox podcast folder, can you pull up, uh, Habsburg jaw?
Cause I'm going to tell you one, one of my, I'll do two.
Okay.
I'm going to do the what's it called?
Apparently he was talking about Kiki, by the way.
What?
Who?
Flanlife?
Oh girl on the Oh I thought he was talking to Tara Did I Did I say right?
Tara?
Oops.
My bad.
You go back and forth on it.
Oh, I thought.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
I didn't know he was talking about.
Did you pull up the Habsburg Jaw photo?
Podcast, and I wear?
It's the Habsburg Jaw photo.
It's a photo.
It's like the guy, the painting, green.
Look for a green background.
I don't see it.
One sec, guys.
We're just getting this pulled up here.
All right.
Oh, wait.
Hold on.
Just get it ready.
Just get it ready.
I'll just tell the story.
Okay, so I think I've told this before, a long time ago.
Don't pull that up.
don't pull it up oh fuck all right okay um fucking eric what are you What the fuck was that shit?
Okay.
Eric, you're loot banned for the week.
You're benched.
You're not getting your.
Eric, what class do you play in World of Warcraft?
Admit it.
Tell us the truth, Eric.
Eric, you play a paladin, don't you?
I would play a wizard.
There's no class.
Come on, Eric.
Come on, come on.
Okay.
One of the worst dates on Hinge, I think I met her.
No, yeah, it was Hinge.
Agree to meet up at a bar 8 p.m. or it's like 7 p.m.
8 p.m.
I don't know if I said sharp.
I probably didn't say sharp, but I said 8 p.m., right?
She texts me at 8 p.m.
I'm already there, five minutes early, BTW, by the way, because I'm punctual and for other reasons.
She texts me at 8 p.m. and says, hey, I'm running a bit late.
I'm like, well, you could have texted me that 10 minutes ago before I left.
But okay, whatever.
So I'm there waiting, right?
8.15, she says, I'm getting in the Uber now.
I'm like, okay.
She's coming from downtown, right?
8.30, she arrives.
Something that I value a lot is someone who's punctual.
First date, first impression.
If you're going to be 30 minutes late, that's a problem.
I'm going to be like, feel a certain type of way about that.
And it's okay if they're a bit late, like, and if they let you know ahead of time, but she didn't really, she sent me two texts and she didn't let me know ahead of time.
But the big thing is, when she showed up, there's no apology.
There was no, it didn't need to be, I didn't need like a, oh my God, Brian, I'm so sorry.
I just needed like, hey, sorry, I'm late.
How's your night going?
There wasn't a token apology.
So I was like, okay, I'm going to torpedo this date.
Oh, God.
And she was catfishing.
Because she was doing some crazy angle shit with her photos.
I mean, is that catfishing, though, if you know your angles?
Well, hold on.
Because, Eric, pull up the photo.
Zoom in, Eric.
Zoom in.
Zoom in.
Get that nice.
Yep.
Keep going.
Keep going.
More, more, more.
Wait, less.
Yeah, there we go.
Yes.
All right.
I think she might have been like a descendant from the royal line because she looked inbred.
I'm going to say it.
She literally had a jaw just like this.
She had a, it's called a Habsburg jaw.
Look it up on Wikipedia.
Okay.
And I was like, she looked inbred.
I'm going to say it.
I didn't.
You look upset.
I noticed tired.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, don't worry.
We're done soon.
We're going to be done soon.
But so I was catfished.
She was late.
So I forgot exactly what I did, but she was like, I didn't even want to get a drink at that point.
She's like, do you want to get a drink?
I'm like, no, I'm kind of, I don't really feel like drinking.
Like, let's just talk, whatever.
And then I don't know what I said, but yeah, let's just say, like, I think we only hung out for like 30 minutes and then the date was over.
Because I was like upset.
I wasn't upset.
What did you say?
You know what you said to her.
I know you know what she said.
I was just like, I was a little fucking like, I was like, all right, you're fucking 30 minutes late.
Like, you didn't even have the courtesy to let me know ahead of time.
You knew you were, oops, you knew you were going to be late.
You didn't even do like the polite thing, which would be if you're 30 minutes late to apologize, let me go ahead.
I mean, I was kind of like a little bent out of shape, not going to lie.
And I didn't feel like drinking anymore.
And she was like, oh, I really want to drink.
And I was like, okay.
I didn't really say anything rude.
I was just like, I don't know.
I probably, honestly, like, I threw the vibe off because I was already upset.
And like, maybe I shouldn't have gone.
I wasn't like, fuck you.
I was just like, I was kind of like standoffish.
You're upset.
Yeah.
A little bit.
Right.
But not upset in the way of like, fuck you.
You're so rude.
I was just like, I was not impressed.
I was not impressed.
I'm like, okay.
And then you're fucking catfish and all this shit.
It was a lot added up.
Yeah.
I feel like it sucks that she didn't say sorry because like I feel like not even acknowledging that you were late like that's just weird.
My go-to would have been like, oh, I'm so sorry.
Like, have you been waiting here long?
And then, yeah, or it would have been like, thank you something.
Like, definitely apologize.
Don't believe Michigan.
30 minutes late.
I think that 30 minutes late warrants an apology.
I wasn't like expecting her to like get on the floor and beg for my forgiveness, but just like as she was approaching, be like, Hey, sorry, I'm running, I was running late.
How's your day going?
Yeah, but it wasn't even that.
She just showed up and she was like, didn't acknowledge it.
And that not acknowledging it.
If she had said, Hey, Brian, I'm sorry, I would have been like totally fine.
I would have been like, She was late, but hey, whatever, it happens.
She said, Sorry, that's okay.
But not acknowledging it, then I'm like, Okay, now you're a dickhead.
Yeah.
And I think within a first date, first impressions are everything.
Yeah.
You know, that doesn't go, that goes along with just like on a first date to meeting someone casually, you know?
So I think that carries on with everybody.
And I think, you know, especially in your circumstance, like having that happen in a first date, why would you want to carry on any longer?
You know, you're faking it at that point and you're wasting your time.
I've had guys end it just because like I'm 15 minutes late and they said, I'm sorry, but I genuinely, what is it called?
I value my time more than for you to be late.
So I'm just, I don't want to see you, so I'm just going to leave.
And I'm like, I'm on my way, but of course.
I feel like if you do it respectfully, if like you're like, hey, I don't, or like, could we reschedule?
Or like, if it's really worth it, they'll want to reschedule.
But like, I feel like if you're running 30 minutes late, like, that's pretty late.
Yeah.
Eric, is the audio on 80?
Can you just check?
It sounds a bit, for some reason, it sounds low.
I don't know.
But yeah, that's, it's definitely pretty bad if they're, if they're running late like that.
And shit, I had something I was going to say, but it just slipped my mind.
You were saying something like, you went on a date with a guy.
What happened?
Right now?
No, you went on a date with a guy, but you were running late.
Oh, yeah.
I think you said something.
It's the first impression, right?
And if some people are kind of pretty mellow, like some people don't care about that.
They're like, oh, whatever.
I'm just.
But for me, like, someone being punctual is really important to me because one, like, one, it's just a disrespect thing.
You're 30 minutes late.
This is our first date.
You should be trying extra to be like.
Yes.
But oh, first date, 30 minutes late.
And Santa Barbara, like, come on.
8 p.m., 7 p.m.
Like, come on, there's not traffic at this hour.
Santa Barbara's a small town.
It takes 10, 15 minutes to get, like, so it's just first impression.
It's already just no-go.
And it's funny to me, like, how, and I don't want to go back to it, but like, how we worry about like, who's paying for the dinner versus like, oh, how do I show this person that I'm actually giving a shit about meeting them and wanting to know a little bit more about them?
And I think punctuality does show that.
But it's funny how we just value that so less.
And she could have totally was like, I'm so excited to meet this guy.
I'm really into him.
And she just took a little bit too long on her hair.
But it's the principle of respecting people and putting others first.
And that's challenging within its own self, I understand.
But yeah, I think that's where it all.
It's the principle.
It's the principle.
All right, we have Shane M, $10 for chat.
Can we have a petition to have Eric on the show?
I just said that before.
I was like, before we started.
Do we do a face reveal?
I was going to say, do we do a face reveal?
Should we do a voice reveal?
Eric, try to speak into that microphone right there.
Wait.
No, don't move it.
You can still speak into it.
Hello?
Oh, shit, guys.
Contain.
I can't hear myself, though, on the headphones.
Oh, you should, really?
Yeah.
Wait, you can't?
Not if I go.
Yeah, no.
Chat, can you hear Eric?
I bet chat can barely contain themselves.
Someone said Eric is handsome.
Eric is a handsome person.
Eric was made for television.
Yo, Flan Life.
Oh, Eric, did you want to?
I'll get my Instagram shout-out if you want to.
No.
Eric, don't expose yourself.
Stay anonymous.
I'm on a few of the stories.
Eric.
Well, Eric, don't expose yourself.
Stay anonymous.
Stay non.
Trust me.
Trust me.
They're going to come for you.
The Matrix.
But, yo, Flan Life, thank you for the big Canadian last time, dude?
Last time what?
What do you mean?
Wait, did he send another one?
He said 100 and then 50, then 100.
Okay, so I already got the previous.
Last time, dude?
What?
Wait.
Last time sending 100?
Oh, was I abusing?
Eric, pull back up the Canadian conversation.
You did call him out.
You did call him out.
I'm kidding.
Flan Life.
Wait, Eric, pull back up the conversion?
I don't know what it is.
Just 100 Canadian?
Am I abusing?
Chat?
Chat, am I...
was I abusing?
Chat?
Chat?
Shit, okay.
I'm kidding.
Flan Life, you know I love you.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate the big Canadian $100 soup chat, man.
Appreciate it.
Okay, so just to wrap up, well, sorry, guys, we're not wrapping yet, soon, but not yet.
The question was, is there anything dating related that you want to get off your chest?
You went.
Yes.
Right.
I went.
I went.
You went?
Yeah, remember the guy.
I left him at the bar.
Okay, so, but that was in response to her, the bad date.
Do you have something to say?
Like, is there something about dating that frustrates you?
Or is there something dating related you want to get off your chest?
Or men are pissing you off in some way?
You know, right now, everybody's been on my good side for the most part.
I really appreciate that.
Yeah, no.
Okay.
So far, so good.
Anything dating related or any topics you want to bring up?
I don't know.
Everything is going really well.
There's this one guy, though, who I'm obsessed with, and he will not let me hit.
So it's like really just super fucking aggravating.
I mean, for like very good reason, but.
Send him to this video.
he'll know now.
So he's not letting you in.
Are you talking about pegging?
Peggy?
No, let me hit.
Oh.
But you said let you in.
No, no, let her hit in.
No, let her hit.
Oh, I thought you said let him in.
No.
I don't know.
Let her hit.
Like, you wish to hit.
That's exactly what I wish to do.
And you've been trying and he's just.
I mean, like, we had a little thing for a minute, but then I did some, like, little psycho shit.
Oh, so have you guys...
I can't fucking tell you.
Can't spasm.
Tell us, what happened?
No.
I literally can't tell you because his friends are probably watching this and they definitely know it was me.
Wait, have you guys hooked up before?
Yeah, like lately.
Like, we never had sexual intercourse.
Had the sexual intercourse?
Yeah.
Formal word.
Yeah.
Okay.
But, so what did you do?
It was a couple things, actually, but I just got really, fuck off.
I got pretty drunk a couple times and like was a little like annoying.
Said some weird shit.
What did you say?
I can't fucking tell you.
Come on, give us one.
Can you give us one?
Let's do it.
Give us one.
Or two or three.
What did I say?
Or the whole story.
Let me think about it.
Shit, I can't remember.
I remember there was something around Thanksgiving.
I was like going around trolling people on my phone and I said something sexually Thanksgiving related.
No, that would have been way better.
Wait.
I think I know.
Was it if your left leg is Thanksgiving and your right leg is Christmas, can I visit you between the holidays?
No, but fuck, I should.
That's a great thing about that scene.
No, but I was like trolling a lot of people so that I tried to play it off.
What did you say?
Come on.
Come on.
No, I'm not going to tell you.
Spill the bean.
He said something.
Wait, closer to the mic?
I cannot.
Okay.
Damn.
Anything dating?
So is that what you wanted to get off your chest?
Yeah, just like, let me hit.
Do you think he's...
Watch it.
Definitely not.
He has much better things to do.
No offense, but like.
Since he wouldn't want to watch me.
Send him the link.
Okay.
not really i just how do i oh my god How do you talk about pegging your boyfriend?
I'll turn my sneaky link into my boyfriend.
Wait, say that one more time?
Oh, how do you turn your sneaky link into your boyfriend?
Is that what you want that, I'm assuming?
Does he want that?
He does, but he was in a five-year relationship, and he thinks that, like, he's traumatized from that because she cheated on him.
And he thinks that I'm going to cheat on him, but I'm not.
And like, I don't know how to.
That's his own issue.
Wait, posture check.
Pull the chair in a bit closer to the table.
Wait, can you pass that water ball over here, by the way?
I feel like that's an issue he needs to get over, you know?
Like, he needs to resolve that issue on his own.
And also, he can't, like, put his past trauma against you.
Yeah, he's actually doing you a favor, not doing that relationship right now.
I think he needs some time because all he's going to do to you is just question everything that you're doing, where you're at.
It's just so annoying because we'll get drunk and then he will go fully tell me everything, how he feels about me, and how he is ready, but he's not.
But like, I don't know.
Do you think he's like playing with your emotions, kind of?
No, I don't think so.
Because we're both also not seeing anybody else.
Like, we do hang out and we do go out to dinner and we do go get drinks and like, you know, like at hotel rooms together.
So you guys are like dating without the title, pretty much.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know.
It sounded like you wanted to.
yeah I don't know I mean his relationship thing in the past is different but I always I could be wrong but I I kind of feel like if you're already if you're just like casually hooking up with each other I don't know how to like I feel like the time might have passed I don't know, but that might just be me.
Like, I feel like the easiest way to clearly get someone to be with you is to set boundaries really early on of like either your own.
I think it's hard for a guy to take you seriously in like the girlfriend away if they're already, he's literally getting everything he wants from you now, isn't he?
So because in the beginning, not that he's just trying to take something from you, but you know what I mean.
Because in the beginning, it wasn't like we were just sneaky links, and then we both admitted that we do actually have feelings for each other and that we do both want to have a relationship, but we're both not completely ready.
Because I'm not going to lie, I'm not completely ready to be in a relationship, but I'd like to know that like we are actually only seeing each other and like wait, so you don't want to be in a relationship?
I do.
But you just said you aren't ready.
I'm not completely ready, but I'm like pretty close.
So that's why I'm like.
When would you be ready, do you think?
It just depends on how we go and like what happens.
What?
Can someone translate the complicated situationship?
You can want something and not be ready for it.
Like, I want a car, but I certainly can't fucking drive.
I feel like you guys need to.
It's not going to work.
I think you guys just need to.
Can't drive?
No.
What?
You don't have a license or DUI?
No.
Why would you automatically assume that?
You lost it or what happened?
No, I just don't.
I'm not a good driver.
Yes.
I'm a really bad driver.
I have really bad driving anxiety.
At least you admitted.
Some people would be like, I'm a good driver.
And then they're like, no, yeah.
Okay, so you want him to commit to you?
What do you want?
Yes.
But you guys are not exclusive.
No, but we.
So you're seeing other guys?
No, I'm not.
He's seeing other girls.
No.
How do you know?
Because we've talked about it.
And this probably isn't a good backup, but like his friend has told me too that, like, that's not a good backup.
Never mind.
Not the homeboys.
Yeah.
He would probably be covering.
Yeah.
So.
I would say you should just like take some space from this, maybe.
He doesn't have any incentive whatsoever to commit if you're basically dating.
If you're not seeing anyone else, you're having sex with him or whatever, you know, maybe, you know, hooking up with him.
You clearly care about him emotionally.
So, yeah, I don't really think he has any.
Yeah.
Well, it's because last weekend I also, kind of the same thing that happened with you.
Like you got drunk and you like, that happened.
I got so drunk.
Yeah.
Like, I don't remember doing that shit.
I don't either.
I don't either.
My friend was like, oh, girl.
I don't remember.
I woke up the next morning.
He was like, look what you did.
And he had three videos of me.
And I was fucked up.
And I was just talking into the camera.
And I was just like, oh, my God.
I was like, where's your boyfriend?
Where's your boy?
Where's your man?
And like, he was like laughing.
But then the next day, I told him, I was like, honestly, after this has happened, like, you can ghost me.
You don't have to talk to me.
Like, it's totally fine.
Like, I get it.
And then the next day he was like, how are you feeling?
Like, are you feeling okay?
And I just, I don't know.
Like, that kind of thing.
Yeah, like, you know, because I thought he was going to actually ghost me, but he didn't.
And then we, now we took every day.
So I don't know.
I feel like you guys need to put a definition on, like, because what changes from you guys not being with each other and being boyfriend and girlfriend?
Like, what changes?
Because if it's nothing, then you're giving him too much for like what you deserve in terms of like a title.
What is she giving him?
Well, like, I'm just saying, like, there is technically for him, there is no incentive to like ask you out at this point because you're giving him 100%.
Like, because you guys have hooked up, like, maybe, like, for example, a thing could be like, oh, once you guys, like, become boyfriend or girlfriend, then you would have sex.
Like, that, not saying that that's what you need to do, but that would be an example.
Like, if you give yourself too much, a guy might not find an incentive to like maybe want to make you his girlfriend.
I mean, that ship, that ship has sailed, I assume.
So, okay.
Seeing him tomorrow, we'll see.
Well, yeah, I mean, you have to ask yourself in today's day and age, what do men get for a label for commitment for marriage?
I don't like to talk about marriage, by the way.
I hate marriage.
What's that?
You don't want to talk about marriage?
No, I hate marriage.
Right, but like, men are getting the things that were previously reserved for marriage and then it's previously reserved for long-term committed relationships.
Men are getting that on the first, second, third date.
So, what's the incentive?
Your commitment?
It sounds like you guys are already committed to each other.
I mean, I think you may as well be boyfriend and girlfriend in everything but in name.
Yeah.
But what would change if you took the next step?
What would be different?
Would you go on fucking cutesy dates and shit?
Yeah, why do you, what are you, like, wanting that you feel like you're lacking?
I guess just the title.
Well, then that's stupid, and you like shouldn't worry about it.
Or not, I don't mean stupid.
Maybe you should validate your emotions, but just that's not, that's not really substantive.
If you're, if, if genuinely what you want is to have intimacy with this person, to feel emotionally connected with them, to spend time with them, you have everything you want.
So just like, don't make a problem out of something that doesn't need to be.
Have you asked him, like, hey, do you want to be official or do you want to be boyfriend, girlfriend?
He said yes, but he wants to wait for the times right.
He's not that into you?
No.
He's not.
Yeah.
I don't think he's that into you.
I don't know.
I feel like there's so much we don't know already.
Like there's so much substance behind it that we don't know.
How long have you been seeing him?
Two months.
That's my first time.
I mean it's still kind of early.
When did you bring up that you wanted to be whatever?
Like three to four weeks ago.
Okay, that was kind of like you have so much time.
Because like you don't even really get to know a person until like three months in.
But it's because we also knew each other in high school.
Oh.
I don't know.
It's so complicated.
It's pretty early.
It's pretty early.
It's a psychopath.
No one's intimidating.
That's why.
Yeah, it's pretty early.
It's pretty early.
But if he gives you that answer at like three, four, five, six months in, he wants to keep you around, but I don't think he wants nervous about like as a girl.
That's why, because I don't want to keep going into it just for me to have more feelings.
And then in the end, him being just like, oh, I'm just kidding.
You know?
Yeah.
I feel like you've given him.
Once you're actually ready to commit, you're not in like your limbo area still.
Once you're ready, if he's not ready by that point, I kind of would put it on the back burner.
Also, if you say that you're not ready for a relationship, then one, I wouldn't worry about feeling like you need one.
And two, I don't know if I would be seeing someone as if you were in a relationship if you aren't ready for one.
But I'm also like right now not seeing it as in we're in a relationship because like, if guys hit me up, like I'll text back but I'm not gonna go over and like well, I wasn't saying that.
I just mean like, if you're in a place where you're not ready for relation, for a relationship, maybe you should just take some time like without guys at all is what is what I was like.
Yeah, maybe take a break from him, see how he reacts.
Yeah, because I feel like that will maybe it'll put some clarity for yourself and for him.
You know, I don't know if that's no offense, I don't think that's good advice.
If a girl says, at least for me, if a girl says I want to take a break, I wouldn't say, take a break, just ghost him.
No oh, that's okay.
I meant like I don't know how much time you guys are spending together, but like maybe, just like, take a little bit less time.
Like I don't know, if you're seeing him every day, then maybe don't see him every single day, every day, okay?
No honestly, I would just, I just don't.
I don't know if it's um, I definitely just would not get your emotions attached.
I don't think it's.
This is hard.
This one's a hard one to like.
Come back from.
Like, if he's telling you he has like relationship trauma, you're not ready for relationship, I just like would not get your emotions involved in this yeah, but you like him as a friend right, I do then hang out with him, take day by day, because we've told each other like we have fun with each other and like we genuinely like each other's company, and it's not about like yeah, all of the other stuff, it's just like wear, all right, let's move on.
Do you?
Do you have uh, something dating related that you want to get off your chest?
I have one thing, let's.
Let's hear it.
Let's hear it that I have a newfound respect for All guys and just everyone in general who shoots their shot, but especially guys, because, like, we say, there is like more guys are mainly the ones doing it.
Yep.
Because I recently shot my shot with someone, and I had a crush on him for like it took like a couple weeks, and it took it took me three weeks to get the courage to shoot my shot.
And my heart was like pounding.
I was like so nervous, like kept letting him do it.
And then I would check it out, and like another friend would come, and I would just, I would just check it out.
But it took like all the balls I had, and yeah, everything, everything.
I mean, it was absolutely terrifying.
And then did he say yes?
So, yeah, all I asked was just to like hang out sometime, you know.
And that worked out.
Like, he did, but it wasn't just us.
So it wasn't like officially a date, you know.
There was also like my friend there.
And so, like, we didn't, what?
Did I mess up, Ryan?
Okay, Kim can.
Well, I just didn't, you know, we just coordinated, like, oh, we'll both, you know, maybe we'll get drinks.
Or like, he was saying he was going downtown for drinks.
So I was like, oh, I'm going downtown.
Just to clarify, you asked him to go on a double date, or you just did this in front of us?
No, I just, I thought, I thought it was like we were both going to have friends.
We were both going to happen to meet up at the same place, same time, like both having friends, but it ended up just being the three of us.
Oh, yeah.
Which was fine.
I mean, I enjoyed it.
I found, I got to spend one-on-one time with him.
That's all I wanted was just get to know about him.
I'm not going to fall in love with a guy I haven't gotten to spend that much time with.
That's smart.
But so the only thing is that, like, I don't know.
He might not know yet that I'm into him like that because we didn't kiss.
Obviously, it was like it wasn't even, it wasn't even a full first date.
It was like a half first date.
So, yeah.
But we, we is he watching the show?
I doubt, I doubt it.
Wait, you didn't kiss?
No, we didn't even kiss or anything.
But he knows you're into him.
No, I'm saying he might not even know I'm into him because I just tried, I was, my heart was really, I was like, so worried.
I was pretty subtle with it.
Yeah.
Like, he might just think it was a friend thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But we like sat on the beach and just talked for until like 1 a.m. in the morning and that was really sweet.
That's cute.
Yeah.
I feel like he definitely has a hint.
Hold on.
Whoa, hold on, hold on.
Y'all sat on the beach and talked.
You've never done that.
Yeah.
That's pretty intimate.
I mean, if you can have a conversation like that, that's where it's challenging.
Especially if you were just at the club and then you're drinking.
But I still walk to the beach.
We were at a club or anything like that.
Like at a bar.
Yeah, but I like, I still don't know.
I'm still nervous because I still don't know if he's into me or not.
And yeah.
Seth Ram.
But it took everything in me just to ask this person, like, hang out sometimes.
Well, prop street for me.
So now I have respect for every subscriber who shoots a shot.
It took you three weeks.
It took me three weeks to get the courage.
But you didn't even really ask him out, though.
I know.
I know.
I didn't even do that.
I was just like, being on the road.
Like, you said, oh, maybe we can hang out in the friend group.
But I was like, oh, my friends, I'm going, I'm going.
But then, so what he did to his friends to go hang out with you.
So, okay, let me tell you what happened.
And I hope he's not watching.
This is what happens.
And you guys can tell me if you think, is he into me or not?
So he lives in Ventura.
He drove.
I thought he was going to come with friends, but he drove all the way to meet me and down, me and my friend in downtown.
And we, you know, got some drinks.
And then he was like, there's no way I'm letting you girls have to pay for a $30 Uber.
So first of all, he buys our drinks.
And then he drives us all the way to IV and then drives, and then, yeah, we see, then it's just me and him, you know, talking.
And then, and then he drives all the way from Ivy to Ventura.
That sounds like he's into you, girl.
Yeah, definitely.
He's acting clueless.
Like, shut up.
You know, he wants you.
Okay, here's the bad part, though.
I don't know.
I hope no one I know is watching this because it would just expose everything.
But he is, I think he's seeing someone that I work with.
And so, yeah, so that's why.
So, yeah.
Maybe he still wants to hang, right?
So, like, I feel like he might, he's responsible enough to not want to start drama.
So, he wouldn't.
Oh, he doesn't care about the drama.
I think he's down.
He probably would have told you.
He probably would have told you, hey, I don't think it's a good idea to go hang as friends.
Yeah.
If he even had that slightest question, but I think he's kind of curious.
Yeah, definitely.
Where's your phone?
Oh.
Take your phone out.
Oh.
All right.
Send him a text right now.
Oh, okay.
Send him a text.
Fucking point blank, no bullshit.
I don't know.
You guys can get feedback on what exactly she should send, but like just be straight up.
Just be like, yo.
Would you like to?
Okay, this is the other thing.
Oh, this has been one other thing, you guys.
He does work with me.
So I, I know.
So I'm like, he's a nice guy.
I had so much time talking to him, but I don't know.
I feel like, I feel like doing anything with a coworker is just not worth it.
Like, it's not worth pursuing.
You also work with this other girl.
And I work with a girl that he might be.
That's the key factor in that.
And his ex-girlfriend used to work where I work, so all our coworkers know her.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm so sorry.
I hope he's not watching, but the group decided it's a no-go.
Yeah, there's so many other men you could have.
See, the girls vetoed it.
Where do you work?
Oh, now I'm not.
Oh, no, really?
Sorry, sorry.
Is it a restaurant?
What do you do?
It's a restaurant, yeah.
Who gives a fuck?
It's not a corporate job.
It's a fucking restaurant.
You can go get a job at some other bullshit restaurant.
So when you score him, you two get out.
We would.
I said, when you score him, then you guys can both go out, like, out, like, work somewhere else.
Oh.
Yo, okay, let's ask the question.
I love my job, though.
Yeah, I don't know, chat.
What do you think?
He's a great guy.
One in the chat, should she text him right now?
Should she text him right now?
One in the chat if she should text him right now and confess her love.
I'm not in love with him.
I'm not going to enlarge him.
I know you're going to be in love.
I'm going to be in love with someone I like.
What is the one saying that?
That means you have to text him.
You have to text him right now.
Be like, I mean, I don't think it would hurt.
What if it doesn't go?
What if it's awkward and then I work with him?
It's only hard if you make it awkward.
Yeah, that's true.
Period.
Oh my God, you guys.
Okay.
You could quit.
But wouldn't you?
I love my job.
Wouldn't you rather know than like he could quit?
Yeah.
He could quit.
Just do it.
Oh, she's going to do it.
Oh, my God.
Boys, she's going to do it.
Okay.
What does she send?
She sends.
See, don't do it for real.
Work relationships never work.
Because it's not like I'm interested in casual sex.
I'm not looking for someone to have sex with.
How long have you known him?
Like a month?
Here, just fuck.
YOLO.
Just send WYD.
That's not my style, Brian.
Yo, it's 11-11 p.m.
Wait, this is this is do you want to should I say the text I sent and you can tell me if I was giving him friend vibes Listen just be like vou levous massewa You don't think it's like.
So, if I just be like, would you like to go like, go on a date?
You know what?
I'd rather be thinking it too much.
Bruv for okay one, you work with him.
One, he lives in Ventura.
Listen, I don't want to drive more than 20 minutes, I don't know about you, but like well, he does drive into town for wait, hold on, he works at a restaurant.
Yeah he, he commutes for a restaurant to work in a restaurant.
Is he the manager?
No well, kind of, he's just a bartender, he's the lead bartender.
There's not bars in Ventura.
Literally, I don't know.
Don't know he really likes to sell.
Why would you commute to a restaurant?
Drop like, that doesn't make any sense, I don't know.
I don't know, I'm not gonna.
I mean yeah, unless he couldn't get a lead bartender job up there.
I guess, I guess I don't know.
Okay yeah, but that's kind of like, what are you gonna send it?
Someone said 1111, it's a sign.
I'm not into astrology, but okay, so sure I'll text him, I'll text him.
I'll text him because I love this podcast.
You guys, my favorite people.
Oh, thank you all of you.
Wait, did she dip?
How far is that drive?
Um, that drive's like 45 minutes from Ventura to Santa Barbara.
Did she just dip?
I don't think she would just dip.
Yeah, I think she probably just went to the bathroom.
No, the bathroom door.
What's her name?
Maya yeah Maya, Maya.
Hello Eric, just go check.
I think she did Bruv okay she, I mean she did say.
I mean she did say it's getting late, but it is Self Castle.
Is the White parks over there?
All right, I would have figured.
I mean it's okay, if she had to go, she could have just been like, oh hey guys, I gotta go.
Did she really just walk out?
Well, I think, just like.
Whatever, it's almost 12, I mean 11, Thursday night though, by the way.
Hello, I'm college student, by the way.
Okay, got a last question here.
Stiffler asks, ask the ladies to rate themselves on the scale of one to ten.
It's unfortunate that she left.
I would have liked to hear Self-castle.
I don't think so.
I think she's just, I don't know.
Kind of weird though that she didn't at least say bye.
But whatever, what do you rate yourself?
Looks wise.
On the scale of one to ten, I would say like a 7.5.
Or I would say a 7.5 okay, a 7.
I say 7.
I'd say eight.
Okay yeah, that's pretty good, pretty good damn.
I wanted to do one tape video but she left.
That's well, fuck it, we'll do one tape video and then we'll wrap.
Eric, can you pull up?
All right, let's do.
live so abruptly let's do uh do you think she's just like outside the door eric maybe that's what i'm thinking but that's why i said i think she left Gotta be honest, I'm pretty sure she just dude.
This podcast has been like four hours, I'm sure.
I'm sure she did.
Yeah, she was tired, like she was honestly like almost falling asleep.
Yeah, maybe she didn't know.
She could like just like say bye.
Yeah yeah, I think she was just like.
Oh, I mean, that just seems like the polite thing to do.
Just be like, hey guys sorry, I gotta go bye, but whatever, whatever it is what it is, probably didn't know.
Yeah yeah, that's whatever.
Um whatever okay, so let's do this tape video.
She would have been given a great reaction, but let's do the.
Go back to the video.
Yeah, we are running.
Well, we're running a little behind, but yeah, we're getting up there.
Go, just do the, oh, God, I don't know, scroll down a little bit.
Loyalty.
Scroll down, scroll down.
Let's do scroll up, scroll up.
Let's do the, uh, here.
All right, why not walk?
I like that it's like toasty in here now.
I know it is pretty toasty.
It was so cold before.
All right, pull that up, Eric, if you can.
That was smooth.
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Have some respect for a woman's body.
Yes, I was noticing.
Don't worry, guys, I was noticing all of your comments to take off my, what do they call it?
Baggy sweater.
But I know deep down you don't want me to.
So I won't.
Oh, wait, last thing, Eric.
Can you pull up the Twitch?
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And I will ask him out before I forget, text is not my style, but I'll do it in person.
Oh, you didn't do it?
I didn't do it.
I didn't send a text.
I'm working with him on Saturday.
I will be like, let me know if you want to go out sometime.
Maybe we can get some dinner in Santa Barbara.
Whatever you guys think.
Leave a comment what you think I should tell him.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Nice.
nice uh let's do this uh take clip real quick and then we'll uh let's do the uh which one is it Scroll down?
Let's do promiscuity.
Why not?
Have you had a serious relationship?
I have many concurrent serious relationships as we speak.
Are you Pauli?
No, because that means they can talk to other dudes.
That's fucking Haram.
That's atrocious.
That's disgusting.
Throughout the majority of human history, female promiscuity has been absolutely frowned upon.
Only in the Western world we're going to pretend it's an okay thing.
Every single culture since the dawn of human time, and every single place on the planet has said that female promiscuity is disgusting to the point where females were executed for it.
In most of the world today, they should be.
Get the rocks.
Abdul?
Yeah, get the rocks.
Get the rocks.
In most of the world today, it's still frowned upon.
It's unacceptable.
Whereas every single king and sultan and sheikh since the dawn of human time had multiple women.
Men are allowed multiple women.
Women are not allowed multiple men because if a woman has multiple men, you cannot ensure paternity.
I can walk and have 10 wives behind me.
That's perfectly acceptable.
So if a woman has 10 men, it's disgusting.
Absolutely vile.
Okay, you had quite a facial reaction to that.
Any Whoever the guy was that said women should be executed for sleeping with multiple men.
What?
I think it's hyperbole.
I do not care.
I'm sorry.
I was just like, I don't understand it because if you're expecting, if you can expect yourself to sleep with multiple women, why can't women do the same exact thing?
I don't understand it.
Well, there's a, you're talking about the double standard?
Yeah.
It's kind of justified, though.
How tell me how.
It's kind of justified.
How?
Because it's very easy for women to sleep with men, but it's very difficult for men to sleep with women.
Relatively disagreed?
Yeah, totally.
You think it's easy for men to get laid?
That's fine if you think that.
It's hard to, okay.
Yeah, I guess the argument is.
No, no, no.
Stick to your guns.
If you genuinely believe that.
Well, the way that you say it now, it sounds like you rephrased it.
It made it different for some reason.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Okay.
Well, so I think the original thing I said is it's very easy for women to get laid.
It's very difficult for men to get laid.
Yeah.
I don't think it's difficult.
Do they come by it?
Sorry.
I don't think it's difficult, but do they like, I don't know.
They shoot their shot more.
Yeah, they shoot their shot more.
Ah, gosh, I don't know.
I don't want to say that it's, it's, it's, they don't get the opportunity.
It's there.
I just feel like there's just certain other factors that portray that just as much as women do.
I mean, guys have just as much like, I don't know, I don't know.
I'm trying to think of the best way to say this.
Like, guys look down on certain factors that women hold.
Like, for instance, I don't know, just like what they do as a profession.
You know, they put a lot of judgment on that sometimes.
Men?
Yes.
Care about profession?
Yes.
Yeah.
Are you talking about sex work?
Sex work.
Okay, sure.
Yes, I agree with that.
I was going to say, most men, we don't, honestly, we don't give a fuck.
But you don't care about that.
But you do give a fuck.
No, we, sorry, not about sex work, but we don't care about like this sort of goes back to income and earning.
Like, we, if you're a, if a woman is a doctor, like, that doesn't make you more attractive.
Like, that's not, like, in the same way that a guy who's a doctor, a lot of women would be, like, he's a catch.
Like, for a guy, like, if you're a female, if you're a doctor, that's good for you, but, like, we just don't, like, we don't care.
Yeah.
But I'm not sure if that's what you were getting at.
No, it's not really what I was getting at.
I think, let's continue, continue.
I'll add more.
But no, okay.
So you were saying that one of the things is that men don't care about, or men do care about the type of work women do as it relates to if they're doing sex work.
Yeah.
As it pertains to them.
Wait, so what was that tied to?
Because we were talking about the double standard and how it's harder for men to get laid than it is for women to get laid.
Thus the double standard is justified.
Right.
I really don't know really what I was saying over that now that I was talking it through and I'm like, man, I just got myself into like a hole there.
But yeah, no, I don't know.
I don't think it's hard for men to get laid.
And I don't necessarily think it's like easy for women to get laid.
I think just women tend to be sexualized a lot in society.
And I mean, I know people are probably going to come for me in the chat and be like, oh, but you do OnlyFans.
It's like, yeah, I'm aiding to the opportunity that men will pay me to see me naked.
I'm seizing that opportunity.
But as I was saying, I don't think it's necessarily that women can just get laid whenever they want to.
I mean, I think men just like, if a woman approaches you is like, oh, I want to have sex, like they might say yes.
And I think it just is how you come off with it.
I'd be kind of weirded out if like anyone came up to me and was like, have sex with me.
And I'd be like, I think that's where I was getting at.
Like, some guys would say no to that instantly.
And some girls would say no instantly based off certain things.
I use sex work as a topic, but that's basically how the two relate.
Okay.
So you think it's not much easier for women to get laid than men?
It's not as like big of a difference as people make it out to be.
But I would say, but like I've said before, I mean like women probably go out on more dates than men do because they get asked more often than like a girl asking a guy out or a girl saying yes or no because if a guy's asking she has a choice to say yes or no.
Okay.
I'll put it to you this way as far as the discrepancy and easiness when it comes to getting laid.
An average woman has an easier time getting laid than a male model.
A really like a top-tier guy, she has an easier time getting laid than a really attractive dude.
Why do you think that?
Because girls, I completely agree.
And I think like we just have no idea how hard it is for guys.
Like I just, I don't know why it's so there's such like a difference there, but like my girlfriends have a harder time not having sex than having sex.
That is not like a guy problem.
Well, no, as in like, no, I mean as in a choice, but as in like they have to like stop themselves because if they wanted sex, they could easily have it, but they're like, they have to, I don't know, for whatever reasons they want.
Well, yeah, sure, but I'm also saying, I'm just using that as like a hyper example here.
But like that, like that would never be, I cannot fathom that being a case with guys where like only the top like one one one one.
Whereas, but there's plenty of girls who like try to be like, who like try to like stop themselves from having sex because they don't, I don't know.
I just don't know how it gets to that point.
You know, I know that someone's attracted to me and they're like, baby, I want you, baby, I want you.
I'm not stopping myself from pulling my pants down.
I'm telling you, no, I'm not interested.
Yeah.
There's a difference.
Like, I feel like it takes two to tango.
Okay.
And I just don't think like.
Sure.
But anyways, genuinely, if a girl, if a girl asks, like, if a girl asks a guy to like have sex, like, he will probably say yes.
Like, to most any guys, but that would just would not be the case with like guys.
Let me ask the girls.
Have you ever made a guy wait to have sex?
No.
Never.
No.
Never.
Okay.
I mean, some people are fine just immediately having sex, but never.
I like honestly can't think of a time I've ever made a guy wait.
Yeah.
So I know.
I like sex a lot.
So I mean, that's fine.
But okay, so even like your first time, the guy was like.
The first time meeting up?
No, the first time having sex.
Oh.
Even then you didn't make the guy wait?
I mean, I was really young.
So yeah, I don't feel like that's something we need to get into necessarily, but no, yeah.
Okay.
So have you ever made a guy wait for sex?
Yeah.
A guy wanted to have sex with you, but you said, let's wait.
Wait until the next day or whatever.
What about you?
Have you made a guy wait for sex?
Yes.
Okay.
Has a guy ever made you wait for sex?
Yes.
Oh, my God.
Come on.
Yeah, even I actually have had one time where I honestly had zero times.
Okay.
I've had times.
Come on.
I told you it lasted.
But it was shocking.
The first time having sex.
Sometimes the guy having sex.
We both waited.
No, no, no, not like the first time, but the first time having sex with a new partner.
Yeah, we both waited.
Okay.
All right.
Fair enough.
Look, any girl at this table right now, if you're so inclined, look, it's 11:30 p.m. on a Thursday.
You could download the dating app.
It might not be necessarily the suitor of your choice, but you could get laid tonight.
Within two minutes, within two minutes.
At 11:30.
Who's the double?
Yes, you can.
You could definitely get a not-so-pretty girl that has never seen attention.
Maybe a librarian, and she would be down.
Dude, librarians fucking get it.
I'm sure they do.
Yo, I'm telling you, watch out for the quiet, shy chat.
Yeah, and that's why I'm trying to.
But no, no, no.
Those girls are, no.
I'm going to tell you right now.
I think maybe they're going after the wrong girls.
Sorry.
Look.
All right.
Look.
A guy cannot download Tinder at night and get laid that night.
We're going to go by minutes and hours.
Okay, yeah.
Exaggeration like that.
Probably not.
Here's how it plays out for the vast majority of men on dating apps.
And probably in, well, in person, there's the opportunity for one night stance.
But like, okay, on a dating app, you match with a girl.
You're probably going to have to carry the conversation.
You're going to have to initiate the first date.
You're going to have to set up the date, ask for the number, make the plan, et cetera, et cetera.
First off, you have to get the match.
Then you have to shift through the girls that are just there for their Instagram followers and who just want validation.
A lot of girls aren't just on the dating apps.
Just a lot of girls, oh, I'm just, I've never gone on a date with a guy from a dating app, but I'm just, I'm on it for attention, validation, et cetera.
Instagram followers, whatever that may be.
And then, okay, then you have to plan the date.
She's not going to be free that day, probably the weekend, okay, or maybe tomorrow or the next day.
So from there, probably 50% chance if you do set up a date, she's going to flake.
A lot of girls will flake and they'll flake.
They're not going to flake 48 hours notice.
They will flake day of.
If you have a date set up with a girl on a Friday, I'd say 50% chance she's going to just flake.
She's going to say two hours before, three hours before, hey, oh, I've got a headache.
I'm not feeling.
Well, change of mind, right?
A lot of women don't realize how, that's a pretty big dick move because as a woman, you could get a new dude on a Friday.
Most men are not going to be able to secure a Friday or a Saturday date the day of, a few hours before.
I see.
So, okay, 50% chance it's going to flake.
All right.
Then you, then you meet up.
Probably a good chance she's not going to be down to fuck that night.
Very good chance she's not going to be down to fuck.
I mean, especially if you're not a big drinker, like if you're not a big part.
No, not like that.
I don't know.
When you get alcohol involved, people get more a little loose or whatever.
But if it's more like sit down, if you get dinner, if you have one drink, it's not like that sort of vibe.
But okay, she's not down for the first night.
Then, okay, scheduled permitting.
Then it's going to be a week down the road.
Second date.
She doesn't want to go all the way.
Maybe the third date.
Maybe.
That's not all women, but that's a lot of women.
They're not going to give it up on the first, second, or third date.
That's my experience with a lot of women.
It's not the first night with a lot of women.
And I think maybe where I'm getting like kind of wishy-washy is because I'm in the know with girls.
And they tell me that they do this stuff.
And it's just assuming, and maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe you're right.
But I just kind of thought it was just as easy because, like, some girls just want to have sex.
And they're really just okay with that.
And they voiced that.
And I'm different, but like, I have to assume it's not that hard.
You're just, again, that's why I say you're not reaching the right girls because there's girls for that.
And if you're, if you really just want to have sex, if that's your primary goal is sex and not really just trying to build a relationship and grow with somebody, then yes, I think you're searching for the wrong person.
You're not going to get what you want.
But don't tell me that there's not someone out there that's willing to give you sex that minute.
You just didn't find it.
Just because you, and that's all like on a statistical level based off app.
And that's probably ruining your so yeah, that, but that is the difference, though.
Any woman can find it.
Most men cannot find it.
They can't.
A guy can't, like, for a guy to get laid the same night, he has to get lucky.
A woman, she doesn't need to get lucky to get laid.
But I just also think that's because girls are also pickier, and because so many people have to say, like, oh, like, literally, like, how we just watched that video, he was saying, like, if she's fucking a bunch of different guys, then, like, oh, like, that's a bad thing.
And also, like, it doesn't that make us feel like then that's what we're supposed to do.
We're supposed to make them wait, where we can't just give it up that easily.
But then also, I feel like we're also, as girls, like, we are picky and like we're not just gonna.
Women are selective, but they're also men.
Like, they Eric, can you pull up the infographics charts?
Um, pull up, let's see, pull up the two hypergamy, hypergamy, hypergamy two, and then pull up what is it?
Um, do OKC, OKC1, OKC2, and OKC message.
Um, and they'll just have them pulled up in just a sec.
Um, so will women have one-night stands or sleep with a guy quick?
Yes, but they're going to do it with probably the top 10 or top 20% of men because women, 80% of women, are chasing after the top 10% of men.
So, are there men on the dating apps that can get the casual sex?
I mean, even honestly, top-tier guys, it's still going to be a bit harder.
But, why do you think that is?
Because women, I mean, it's sort of a you're saying it's the availability is really what you said that guys can't find that.
Girls, it's easy, it's available, so it has to be an availability thing that is the issue.
Well, let's compare, okay, let's compare average women to average men.
Most average men are not going to be an average man cannot be a slut.
He could.
Actually, well, no, no, no, no.
Average men are not, can not even approach the degree to which a woman could be a slut, so to speak.
An average girl, unremarkable in every way, she could be easily rack up 10 bodies in a month with like every day.
I mean, I truly like I agree with you.
I think it depends on like what the man is choosing.
Because I'm going to be honest, I tend to go for guys who aren't like tend to be as attractive as me.
The exception doesn't make the rule.
Well, I'm just saying that, like, the guys might not be going for the right girls if they're trying to just hook up.
You know, like there's people that do just want to hook up.
But, okay, the point is, is that an average guy does not have the degree of sexual access that an average woman has.
Average dudes can't be man-hos.
They really can't.
Like, I don't think you're afraid of that.
I think it's challenging.
I think you're right.
I think if I'm stepping back, I'm sure it's very, very challenging.
I think where I'm always where I'm thinking it's impossible and it's like not reachable.
And I think that's where my argument is.
And you're right.
It's probably, it's just probably very, very difficult to where that stat is accurate.
I don't know.
Yeah, maybe I don't know.
I'm not in the men's world.
Uneducated.
Let me ask.
Do you get DMs at all from guys who are, it seems they're interested in you?
Yeah.
Okay.
Do you go out to bars or parties or no?
I'm not that kind of person.
You're not a partier.
Okay, that's fine.
What about you guys, bars, clubs, parties at all?
I like to go out.
Do you get hit on at all when you get up?
When you go out?
Yeah.
Okay.
How many of the men that hit on you would you say you're turning down?
I would say about eight, probably like 90%.
90%.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Yeah.
All almost all the other women, all the men that you're turning down, all the other women are also turning them down too.
I hear you.
Okay.
Okay.
They're getting rejected.
Well, they're getting rejected too.
I get it.
Okay, I see it.
So even how we say, I just thought about this now when you brought up that phrase, but like the term like get lucky, like if I want to think about whether or not I'm having sex, it luck is right for a guy.
Yeah, I guess guys do have to like get lucky.
But if a girl wants to have sex, it's not a matter of luck.
Let me ask this.
Like that doesn't even apply to women.
Let me ask you this.
If you go out to a bar or a club or party type environment, and let's say your goal, I'm not saying it would be, but your goal for the night, I'm getting laid tonight.
Do you know with certainty that you could get laid?
Yes, if I just wanted to get laid to answer your question, but if I had to be specific in who it was, that totally changed the game.
Well, but that's what we're not considering.
It's not, would you want to have, do women have sex with the people they want to have sex with as much as men do?
It's do women, could women have sex with anyone as much as like men could have sex with anyone, which is just not.
I mean, I would argue that a woman need not even necessarily looks-wise.
A woman need not even really go.
She doesn't need to go after some like really unattractive dude to get laid.
She can still go after like a fairly, I would say at least a guy who would be her looks equivalent.
You can get him.
Yeah, yes.
To answer yes, yes.
Right.
For example, for me, to get laid, even a girl that's I would consider on my level, there is no fucking guarantees I'm getting laid.
First off, I don't go to bars.
I don't go to clubs.
I don't party.
I don't really drink.
But, you know, when I was in college, I'd go out to parties and stuff.
More likely than not, I was not going to get laid.
Yeah.
Like, that's, if that was my intention.
Yeah.
Sorry.
No, but if that was my intention, like, I want to go out.
I want to get laid tonight.
That's not a given.
As a woman, if you want to get laid.
I can make it happen.
You could make it happen if you wanted to.
I hear you.
Okay.
So, also, here's another test.
Here's another test.
Alexis, right?
Alexis.
Would you like to have sex tonight with me?
No.
Okay.
There we go.
Point proven.
See?
Boom.
I was literally going to say that earlier.
I was like, not to call anyone out or make anyone uncomfortable, but if any of us wanted to not leave this building, like we didn't even have to, we wouldn't have to leave the building if like an absence.
That is just not a male experience.
Like if any woman could look you're just in the in the middle of a busy street you're in the city a woman within like I'm convinced a like 10 foot radius around her would be able to have sex with someone within a 10 foot raise around her Well be down to have sex with you didn't you do like that I hate that why do you hate it?
Well, because I don't want to I don't want to be just sex to like someone around me.
Well, you have a choice.
Well, well, I mean obviously yeah, but like that's like kind of I don't know.
I don't want someone's first impression, like when they seem to be like, oh well, I mean that that's less the point, the more the point is just like, can we all acknowledge it's easier for girls to get sexy?
Yeah well, like you said, didn't you do like a test?
You went out and then another woman went out and she was getting all these hits and you got nothing.
I got nothing yeah, nothing.
And we're sorry for the reminder, but I think that just honestly plays exactly what I'm talking about right now.
Going in, I knew what the results were gonna be like.
You can't just point blank ask most women, hey, do you want to hook up?
They're not gonna.
They're gonna feel a certain type of way about that.
They're not gonna be.
They need you you, they need a little something before.
Like you can't.
I don't know.
I like that comment.
A woman has sex whenever she wants.
A guy has sex whenever he can.
Yeah, oh.
The one I often hear is, women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
Okay yeah, you are.
You are the gatekeepers.
Women are the gatekeepers of sex.
So I just what's up?
I don't know.
I just feel like it sexualizes women.
Wait, don't you have an OnlyFans, aren't you used to?
I know I already talked about that.
She's capitalizing on men.
No beauty, I wasn't waiting.
I was just like, oh yeah, I just want to be doing.
I'd rather be working in a laboratory, like I want to, but it makes me money and I know I can make money off of it, so I'm going to.
Yeah, that's why I do.
What's your, what's your point about sexualizing?
I don't know, I was just surprised.
I didn't think you'd be surprised by like what I was saying about like the 10.
I thought I just assumed you would like about surprised about what about?
Like the 10 foot, like radius?
I know not that I'm surprised, I just don't like that.
Personally, I don't like that women can be overly sexualized.
Definitely because I don't.
I don't.
I'm not even sure I understand what you're saying, though.
What do you mean?
Overly like because they have an easier time having sex?
Like well, it's like oh, a woman can like get with whatever she wants.
Like sure, like I don't know, it just like doesn't sit right with me, I guess because like, because you disagree, you don't you?
No, you definitely changed my mind.
I do.
I do agree that I'm starting to agree with you that it probably is much harder for men to get women to sleep with them, unlike for women, they probably can get whatever they want if they wanted to.
But I just like the idea that like, men would only seek an opportunity with a woman in terms of that, like that kind of just grosses me out a little bit.
Well, I don't think that's what we're.
I forget what exactly what you said, but it yeah, was it?
Men sleep with who they sorry, women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
Yeah, I don't know what was it?
The radius thing.
I'm just, I mean, the radius thing is like, whatever maybe I get like would make girls uncomfortable for safety.
But yeah, I just, I was just surprised because like, if you, I mean, clearly it's, it's profitable literally yeah, for you that like, women are sexualized like a man in your, it is profitable.
Do I want the world to be that way?
No, but you're like never benefiting.
I am benefiting yeah, that's true, but it doesn't mean I like love it.
I don't think any woman would love.
Well, that's convenient, don't you?
I know I do.
I think it's very hypocritical, but why wouldn't I profit off of that if the world is that way.
Why wouldn't?
Okay.
Yeah.
If I'm able to profit off of it, then why wouldn't I?
Well, but I mean, if you're engaging in it, is it really something that you ought to be criticizing?
I mean, I'm not even sure it's like women have agency.
Women have sex.
So I get what you're saying.
You're making a silver lining out of this situation.
Do you disagree?
No, no, I'm just...
That's fine.
I think women tend to become a sex symbol more than men.
I think that's true.
Well, if women...
Here, I'll say this.
I agree.
If women are sex objects, then men are success objects.
I don't think women are sex objects.
I think we're portrayed in society.
We can be portrayed in society like that.
And I don't think all men sexualize women.
And I don't think every single person in society does that.
But I think there is a tendency to sexualize women.
But you do that yourself.
Like, you're sexualizing yourself.
I mean, yeah, but I make profit off of it.
Is it something I want to do?
No.
But I do make good money off of it, so I'm going to do it.
I don't necessarily have to like the process of it.
I make good money in my job if you want to start working on it.
I mean, yeah, I'll happily come work over there.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's like if you, if you're telling us, if you're telling us like right now, you don't want to be doing what you're doing, I can promise you there's ways for you to make money, like good money that aren't that.
No, I understand that.
No, I don't.
Here, let me clarify.
Oh, sorry, my bad.
I enjoy my job.
I don't enjoy always being sexualized.
I'm fine with being sexualized occasionally because I like feeling sexy.
I do.
As a woman, I love feeling sexy.
Do I want that to be my only thing that I'm known for?
No.
But, you know, I think it's a bit of a benefit or privilege to have agency due to your sexuality insofar that most men could not start an OnlyFans and make money posting fucking, like, there's not a market for it.
There's really not a market on the women's side for desiring male men on OnlyFans for the same reason why there's not a lot of male prostitutes.
There's not a lot of, there's barely any male strippers.
So, I mean, you have agency.
Uh-huh.
And that's the thing.
Through your sexuality.
But what I'm, I don't feel like you guys are exactly hearing what I'm saying.
I'm doing it because I know that I can profit off of it.
I know that there are men who are going to be intrigued and will pay money to see me doing all that stuff.
Is it a society that I want to have those views?
No.
Because when I look at a man, I'm not thinking, oh, like, I want to bang him so badly.
Or like, I don't have those thoughts about when I just see a person.
I don't immediately just think that stuff.
I know that people would think that.
And like, I don't think that's like, I don't know, would you always want the people around you to be like, oh, wow, you're like so sexy, I'd bang you?
No, I wouldn't.
No, but I'm just, I'm just, I'm just confused.
Sorry, if you don't, if you don't like being sexualized all the time.
All the time, yeah.
But I don't.
I mean, like, not you can choose to be saying me specifically.
Yeah, no, and I'm not saying just me specifically.
I mean, just like in terms of like society as a whole, women do tend to be sexualized more.
And I wish it wasn't that way.
I see, but it's a point of empowerment to capitalize.
It can be.
Yeah, no, totally.
Sure.
Like, taking over, like, what your sexuality is, like, that is empowering.
But it's when it's negatively viewed.
When I don't like it.
So wait, just so I'm understanding here.
It's wrong that men want to fuck you.
I'm just going to go.
Yeah, can we change topics?
I feel like we're diving in circles.
It's not.
Last super chat here.
We got Shane M. Tara.
Tara Brian.
Tara.
I'm not coming home again.
Sorry, my bad.
Is asking this guy out.
She better pay for his dinner.
Hashtag equality.
Okay, guys, we're going to wrap there.
Big thank you to the panel for running a bit late on the show.
Always running over.
I need to do time management better.
So yeah, thank you guys for staying late.
I'm tired myself.
So guys, thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been doing anything else, but you were, oh, wait, last thing.
Last thing, I swear.
Last thing.
Okay.
So it's sort of related to the money thing, right?
So we were talking about like, does it shock you guys?
And this will take two minutes.
Does it shock you guys that men, we don't really like a woman's finances, like it doesn't make a woman more attractive?
Like if she's successful or is ambitious or has high earning potential or is a high earner?
Does it bother us?
Does that bother you?
I would, if you don't mind me going, yeah, I don't, it kind of does bother me.
I feel like I work really hard and I would want that to be seen and I would want that to be valued.
Otherwise, what's the point of me working so hard and going to school and getting an education to do better for myself for one, but I plan on getting married and I would hope that my future husband would be appreciative that I have that drive and I'm willing to work.
Okay.
For some situations, for some relationships, I think it's maybe I shouldn't say some.
It might be a majority, but some people don't have an issue with that.
The thing is, though, it's not necessarily a con or a negative.
It's just it doesn't make you more attractive to be like super successful.
Like, for example, Oprah Winfrey, she's not like, guys aren't banging down the fucking door because men and women are attracted to different things.
She's incredibly wealthy, but like she's not like an appealing match for the vast majority of men because, well, for a few reasons, but let me give an example, right?
Would you date?
Should I do it?
I don't know.
It's a little late.
It's a little late.
I'm tired.
But I was shocked when you told me, I think the first time I heard something like that was from you where you were saying, or maybe you and Chase or something, where like men do not, you said, you know, you said the Chipotle baddie thing.
A guy would date a baddie who worked at Chipotle.
And I have not stopped thinking about it ever since you said that.
Because that was actually mind-blowing for me to realize that guys.
I'll date someone who works at Chick-fil-A.
I do not, like, it's not.
But I would hope that, you know, someone who has a good job, that that would be appealing and somewhat attractive.
If it's not, that's okay.
I just, I would, I would think, though, that you would rather value someone that is in a better profession or aiming to that.
It doesn't make you, it doesn't make you hogger or more attractive.
Well, I don't know.
would that make it then that's I mean unless you're getting a physical change to yourself then yes that would be applicable to that but But then, you know.
It doesn't make you more of a catch.
Whereas, like, you ask a lot of women and you say, this guy's a doctor.
This guy's an attorney.
This guy's this career, whatever it may be.
A lot of women are going to be like, based off of that, and there's obviously other considerations besides just his career.
They're going to say, he's a catch.
That's a catch.
He's a doctor.
He's a catch.
So a guy's not going to be like, oh, she's, you know, a VP of a company.
She's a catch.
They're not going to start with that.
They're going to go towards her looks and then what she brings to the table.
And then maybe that's a plus at the end of the tunnel.
Is that what you're saying?
Beauty, fertility, youth.
So that's last.
So women and men prioritize different things then.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Men and women are not the same.
Like we have.
We're attracted to different things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think we all know that.
Women, most women probably want a guy who's taller than them.
Like guys, we don't really give a fuck about a girl's height.
Like don't care.
Like, so it's just a difference.
But you said the VP thing.
I would say the one thing with that is a woman who's super ambitious, super career-oriented, in order to succeed in the corporate environment.
I know you're ignoring that.
Okay.
You do tend to take on more masculine traits.
You know, boss bitch, right?
Like, so a lot of men are going to, and that's fine, like, get your money, go for it.
But a lot of guys are going to view a really masculine woman and probably be, it's going to be a bit of actually a detriment.
It might be a turnoff.
Yeah, no, I hear that.
And I can see she brought up earlier about how women and men are, they want like opposites.
I don't know how you said that.
Yeah, so masculine men don't want masculine women.
But why does like them being in a position of power make them masculine?
Because it requires certain traits to succeed in the cutthroat corporate world.
So you're saying that when a woman can like get to that point in like a business world or whatever, like she has to have masculine traits.
Like why can't she have a business?
I don't think he's saying it's right.
I think he's just saying, which is something that's just surprising to women, because I feel like I, at least I feel like I grew up in a very, you know, girl boss mindset that like it's it's hot to own your own company, which, you know, it's hot to like, girl to girl, tattoo in your company.
Like go be girl boss.
But that guys like do not care.
Like it does not make you like more attractive than a girl that looks just like you because you're making you're like more successful or more higher up in your career.
It's just it's just I think girls just don't realize how little it matters to guys.
That's so shocking.
But you know what?
I feel that, but come marriage, you're going to want that to matter.
Just wait.
I feel like when it's all on you, that's when you're going to be cheating on your wife because you're stressed out because you couldn't make the payment on the house.
You have crying.
I got to be honest.
I feel like it might be more likely that a guy who, if a guy has like a litigation attorney wife, I feel like that's more likely to lead to cheating than like because she's too poor.
I just mean like I don't think the cause of cheating is because like your wife is not okay.
We went to specifically downfall of like a marriage.
The downfall of a marriage really highlights and ends on there.
And I've known many married men that are just like, oh man, my wife is just sitting on her ass all day just eating and getting fat and just watching the kids and I come and work at eight to five and I have to support the house.
Yeah, that shit gets old.
Trust me, that shit gets old.
But I don't know.
I guess it's everybody's preference.
Well, I mean, just really quick on the divorce thing.
So 50% of marriages end in divorce.
80% of divorces are initiated by women.
That number rises to 90% if she's college educated.
Explain that one.
Can you see that?
Yeah, 90%.
So, okay.
50% of marriages end in divorce.
80% of marriage, or sorry, 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
That number jumps to 90% if she's college educated.
One of the number one predictors for divorce is if the woman outearns her husband.
You're more likely to get divorced if the wife is the breadwinner.
That's so interesting.
Maybe we can unpack this more next episode.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We will.
We will.
But should I do the?
I'm going to go.
I'm just going to go.
Okay, we'll wrap.
All right, hold on.
We'll wrap.
We'll wrap.
All right.
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