Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #8

Feb. 2, 2023 - Whatever Podcast

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Dating Talk #8

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	From Isla Vista, Santa Barbara County, California.
	Every Tuesday and Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific, I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	I'm joined by my co-host, Kiki.
	She's a bit shy.
	A few quick announcements before the show begins.
	Next week, we are going to do our first 3v3 show.
	Three guys, three girls, trios.
	So changing things up a bit.
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	And also, just quick question for chat.
	One in the chat if you have Amazon Prime.
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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation or school, political orientation.
	Are you a feminist?
	And relationship status.
	We're adding a few.
	Let's start over here.
	Oh, with me?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	My name's Kayla.
	What was it?
	Age?
	Name, age, occupation or school.
	Political orientation, if you want to share.
	Do you identify as a feminist, if you want to share?
	And relationship status.
	Okay, so my name's Kayla.
	I'm 20.
	Sorry.
	I'm 20.
	I go to UCSB.
	I am a liberal.
	And I would consider myself a feminist.
	And I'm also single.
	What do you study at UCSB?
	Neuroscience.
	I'm Christy.
	I'm 20.
	I'm a liberal.
	I'm a feminist.
	And I am a cannabis photographer.
	Relationship status?
	Oh, I'm single.
	I'm Sydney.
	I'm 21.
	I'm single.
	I'm a student.
	I'm studying acting, trying to get into the acting major.
	And I would consider myself a feminist.
	Did I miss one?
	You did relationship status, right?
	Yeah, I'm single.
	And political orientation?
	Oh, no opinion.
	Hi, I'm Hensley.
	I'm 22.
	I'm a stripper.
	I go for the Green Party, and I'm single.
	Hi, I'm Gabby.
	I'm a student at UCSB studying sociology.
	I'm 21, and I'm currently single.
	Hi, I'm Maxwell.
	I'm 25.
	Into the microphone.
	Microphone, please.
	Sorry.
	I'm Maxwell.
	I'm 25.
	I am a software quality analyst for video games.
	So I play video games.
	It's actually more boring than it sounds.
	And I don't, let's not get into my political affiliation.
	It's going to take up the whole chat for the rest of the show.
	Plot synopsis.
	Into the microphone, please.
	Communist.
	Anyway, I am single.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Feminist?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And yes, I'm dressed like Faye Valentine from Cowboy Bebop.
	I was told Coslay was an option.
	So I went with it.
	Into the microphone, please.
	Everyone else did the normal thing, and now I'm stuck like this.
	So yeah, yes, I am in fact dressed as Faye Valentine, and that's why I'm here.
	Like this.
	What did you think of the Netflix?
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	We do not acknowledge that here in this.
	It seemed it got pretty poor reviews, it seemed.
	The adaptation or whatever.
	I couldn't get through the first episode.
	I'm really sorry, Yoko Kano.
	But I do have a lot of Cowboy Bebotch Bebop merch in my house.
	So everyone here is single?
	Okay.
	So when you say you're single, what does that mean?
	What's that really mean?
	Let's start with Faye over here.
	My really serious boyfriend moved to Italy for work, and we decided not to stay together because we don't live in a Hallmark movie, so now I'm just on my thought shit.
	I'm seeing a professional game player right now.
	So you're seeing somebody?
	I'm seeing multiple people.
	Multiple people?
	Yeah.
	I can't limit myself.
	But you didn't wait.
	I thought you said you were single.
	So you're single.
	I am because I'm not going to move to Italy for four years.
	But you're seeing multiple people.
	I just met him.
	Single by definition, a lot of people.
	Yeah.
	Like, we haven't had the conversation.
	I actually don't think I've ever had that conversation.
	I was just like, we're in a relationship now.
	And they're like, okay.
	But you're currently sleeping with somebody.
	Well, we don't sleep, but yeah.
	So you're an insomniac?
	Yes, but...
	When I say sleep, I mean it in the biblical sense.
	Are you currently having penetrative sex with someone?
	Biblical sex.
	Okay, well, if we're going biblical, who's getting penetrated?
	So you like to peg.
	You like to peg your partners.
	Yeah.
	More power to you.
	Sick.
	Okay.
	And you said you're currently seeing multiple people.
	How many concurrently?
	I went on like four first dates in the last, yeah, like four first dates in the last couple weeks.
	A guy I was seeing who I thought was cute told me he just wanted to be friends.
	And so I was like, okay, I need attention.
	And so I went and got it.
	Got what?
	Attention.
	The internet's a beautiful thing.
	And by attention, you mean sex?
	No, just mostly dates.
	Okay.
	Sex with one, the one I'm still seeing.
	Okay, so one of them you're still seeing.
	One of them passed the test of not being incredibly weird or boring.
	Okay.
	And what define weird or boring?
	One of them asked me for feet pics within 10 minutes of me leaving the date.
	That's pretty normal.
	Yeah, but he wasn't going to pay me for them.
	So what's the point?
	If he had paid, you would have thought about it?
	Oh, absolutely.
	My rent's not cheap.
	I live in LA.
	It's expensive.
	One of them lied about his age by 15 years.
	Yeah, he was as old as my father, which...
	Nice. Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That was a whole thing.
	And one of them, my phone broke for a couple days, and he texted me hey 18 times in those two days.
	So he was out.
	Yeah.
	Yikes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Don't do that.
	Don't, please don't ever do that.
	Okay, and we have Gabby.
	So you said you were single.
	Yes.
	By the way, thank you for Gabby's a return, return visitor.
	Has anything changed?
	You were single last time, you're single this time.
	Nothing has changed.
	I'm as single as it gets.
	I'm not.
	Did you get any DMs?
	Like people who saw the show and then they DM'd you?
	I thought that, okay, that first person you interviewed followed me today, actually.
	What's his name?
	Brandon.
	Yeah, I think that's him.
	He said he was on your podcast.
	Or I saw you.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	He followed me.
	He's a good guy.
	He didn't reach out.
	Oh, yeah.
	He just loved me.
	Yeah.
	So I noticed that.
	He's a good guy.
	You guys should maybe link up.
	I didn't watch the podcast, but yeah.
	He just followed me.
	He reached out, but no.
	I'm as single as it gets.
	I'm not talking, texting, snapping anybody at the moment.
	Okay.
	Hensley.
	Hi.
	So you're single?
	Yes.
	Tell us about that.
	I mean, kind of just by definition, I guess.
	Like I'm seeing someone, but I don't know.
	It's definitely still single.
	Sir, are you texting?
	I'm trying to communicate to Chris some very important information.
	So you're seeing somebody, but it's not official.
	So y'all fucking.
	Mm-hmm.
	Chris, when I talk, please switch to me.
	So, okay.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	How long have you guys been seeing each other?
	About a month.
	A month?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hi.
	Yeah, I'm single.
	Not seeing anyone.
	Not talking to anyone.
	Kind of just doing my thing, I guess.
	Nothing since last show?
	No, I was here last week and I've had like more followers and more DMs.
	Well, I've gotten like a few DMs or like people asking about the podcast, but no.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm single.
	I'm not seeing anyone.
	I'm not talking to anyone.
	Just kind of hanging out also.
	Okay.
	When was your last relationship?
	Oh, God.
	When I first moved for college.
	So like two years ago, but we actually just stopped talking like four months ago, five months ago.
	And when was the last time that you were, you saw somebody?
	Him.
	I haven't been like interested in dating really since then.
	Still trying to work on some stuff before I put myself back out there.
	Wait, so this was before you started university?
	Yeah, we broke up when I moved to college.
	And so you were 18 then?
	Yes.
	And you're 20 now?
	Yes.
	So nothing in the two years?
	Well, like nothing serious.
	Nothing I would consider more than like not even talking.
	Actually, yeah, nothing serious past then.
	I just haven't really, I don't know.
	Isla Vista doesn't have the best dating pool to pick from.
	So it does not.
	How so?
	Okay, where did I start?
	Just start.
	Mostly just being a college town and especially this college town of all of them.
	It's just like, you know, very hookup based, which is fine, like totally do your own thing.
	Like, but it's just not somewhere that I would like, you know, if the love of my life is on Isla Vista, I sincerely want the second choice.
	You want the second choice.
	Yes.
	You don't want the love of your life to be in Isla Vista.
	I just truly believe it isn't, but on the off chance that it is, I don't know.
	I think I can, I think I seek higher things for myself.
	Taking notes.
	is your primary uh gripe with the men in this town um just like or three if you want to list Okay, well, three.
	Just in the interactions I've had with my guy friends and like the guys I'm around, they can be the sweetest people in the world.
	And then I'll just like hear how they talk about women or hear like what they do, like put them through and like, you know, how they judge them.
	they talk about women just like like if they have a boyfriend doesn't matter Yeah, shit like that.
	And then just like being disrespectful and just like not treating them well.
	It's like, oh, yeah, like super.
	Like my friend today was like, I'm so into this girl.
	Oh my God, that's my wife.
	And then all of a sudden he's like, yeah, she like went up to me at Rockfire and like said one sentence and walked away.
	I'm done with her.
	Like nah, like fuck her.
	And I'm like, really?
	Like over one interaction?
	But I don't know if he's watching, but I already told him off for that.
	I'm like, that's a little petty.
	I think you can, I think you should give him a second chance.
	Wait, he's upset that she talked to another guy?
	Is that?
	No, he's upset that she like didn't have like a long interaction.
	She's like, oh, hey, what's up?
	And then like left.
	You know, it wasn't like a conversation.
	It was like a hey.
	Wait, she's upset.
	He's upset.
	That they ran into each other.
	Yes.
	She snubbed him, basically, or?
	Yeah, but, like, yeah.
	I don't know.
	That's justified.
	That's fair.
	What do you think?
	Or sorry, what's your single situation?
	I am, like, I guess, newly single, wouldn't you say?
	I don't know.
	I guess so.
	Explain that.
	Well, I was seeing someone, but it was long distance.
	So we're going to wait on that.
	But I'm like a relationship girl.
	I don't like going to just hook up with random people or none of that.
	So I want to be in a relationship.
	That's like all I care about.
	Well, not all I care about, but you know what I mean.
	So your long distance relationship, it recently ended.
	Yeah, but it was a shorter relationship.
	So and it started off long distance.
	So we're just going to wait it out and see how it goes.
	And how long was the relationship?
	Four months.
	Four months?
	And did you guys meet here and then always long distance?
	Right, yeah.
	Dang, okay.
	And it just ended.
	Okay.
	Rest in peace.
	Only four months, though.
	That's not too bad.
	Okay, so first question, first topic of today.
	Who should initiate?
	Initiate what?
	Sorry, guys, we got a motorcycle coming through.
	First kiss.
	So who should initiate?
	Who does initiate when it comes to dating?
	I date both.
	I date everyone.
	Oh, you're by?
	Yeah.
	I'm like a heat-seeking missile.
	Like, if I find you hot, I've honed in.
	The drone strike is about to happen.
	I'm like, you.
	I can't talk to you.
	Drone strike.
	Yeah, I can't talk to too many people at once.
	I find it very, very exhausting, which is why I decide after like one date if I'm gonna keep seeing somebody.
	But like, yeah, I just, I'm like, yeah, you.
	You seem safe.
	I'm very often wrong, but I'm getting better at it.
	That's called personal growth.
	So since you're bisexual, let's.
	When it comes to your interactions with other women, do you find you're having to initiate, or is it kind of split?
	Girls are scary.
	They're pretty and they smell good and they're soft.
	They usually approach me first.
	Guys usually approach me first also.
	So I guess I'm never, I pick people, but I'm never the one initiating, if that makes sense.
	Okay.
	Because I'm scared to talk to anyone ever, which I know sounds weird considering I'm dressed like this on a live broadcast.
	I'm terrified of people, though.
	You're terrified of people?
	Just pretty ones?
	Yeah.
	So then you don't initiate?
	When it comes to dating?
	It depends.
	Okay.
	Like, on apps, like, if I want to talk to you, I will definitely be the first one to send a message.
	If I'm at a bar, I will hide fully until someone approaches me, and then I'll probably get more scared and run away.
	Okay.
	Gabby?
	I don't really think it should be pinpointed to either a girl or a guy should.
	I feel like it should be mutual.
	I feel like both parties should understand, be able to understand social cues and signals.
	And once you're both on board with it, I feel like it's just up for grabs for anyone to initiate first.
	So yeah.
	Of the dating experiences, relationships that you've had, who would you say initiated more often than not?
	You or the guys?
	No, guys always initiate first.
	I will not initiate.
	You won't initiate.
	Not because I feel like guys should.
	It's just because I'll admit, I'm not the most confident.
	I'm not the most bold.
	So I will just let guys come to me.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Better take.
	And I guess that kind of encompasses the reason why you don't initiate.
	You don't think you have the confidence to.
	Yeah, I'll admit, like, I'm not confident.
	I wouldn't say I'm scared of rejection.
	I'm just, I don't know.
	I just don't have that.
	I have like, I'm very introverted, so.
	Okay.
	Hensley?
	I mean, for me particularly, I think it's, it kind of I initiate if I see someone and I'm like, oh, I want that.
	If I want that, I'm going to go try and get it.
	But if it's a situation where like I don't notice you and you initiate it, then it's more of like a, oh, hi, it's nice to meet you.
	That's how like a conversation kind of starts.
	But I definitely like, it's more for me seeing something I want.
	And then that's when I'll like go talk to someone.
	But a lot, that's kind of rare and far in between.
	So a lot of times it's people initiating it towards me.
	Have you ever initiated anything with a customer at the strip club?
	No.
	No, other than to buy a dance, no.
	But would you date a customer?
	It's not that I'm against dating a customer.
	It's more that the people who come into the strip club are not people you're trying to date.
	Yeah, I mean, I kind of agree with what she said.
	It's more so, like, I don't think it should be pinpointed to either the guys have to do it or the girls have to do it.
	Personally, I like to make the first move and I'm comfortable with going up and like shooting my shot first.
	But like she said, if you see something that you want, then go for it.
	Than if you don't like notice this person and they go up and then you start a conversation.
	That's one thing, but I think it's more fun when I initiate it.
	Personally, I don't think I really initiate that often.
	I'm like pretty shy when it comes to those things.
	I'm also like just, I guess it doesn't work either way for me because I'm bad at initiating because I'm too shy and like I don't want to deal with that.
	But then when someone initiates with me, I'm like the worst at reading signals.
	And like obvious flirting will literally go straight over my head.
	And I'll just be like, oh, like, what a fun buddy.
	Can you give us an example of a time where a guy gave you an obvious signal and it just totally whooshed over your head?
	Pretty recently I was like, oh, my good friend is texting me again.
	Like, oh, I wonder if they want to hang out with all of us.
	But no, they, yeah, they just wanted to hook up.
	Love that.
	Yeah.
	It just took me a sec.
	I had to ask my roommates, and I'm like, look, they've been texting me.
	They're like, oh, like, probably thinks you're cute.
	And I'm like, really?
	I feel like it's been a while.
	I think they just want to hang out again.
	But I was wrong.
	I feel like I have initiated my fair share.
	I also think that in general, just the way that I am, I want a man to come up to me and tell me that he thinks I'm attractive.
	And like, I don't, who would I be to go up to him and be like, you're so handsome?
	I'm not going to boost an ego like that.
	I want him to do it to me.
	So you want it to be done to you, but you would not if he's special, I would.
	If he's special, if he's the most gorgeous man I've ever seen in my life, I am going to go up to him and never leave him alone.
	But other men, I feel like I'm just like, whatever.
	So you'd be a stalker, is what you're saying.
	With the right person.
	Never leave him alone.
	I feel like you should.
	And is that purely looks?
	Because you mentioned gorgeous.
	Okay, I am definitely a looks person.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Like, I do, of course, there's always the initial attraction.
	So I do see people and I'm like, oh, that's someone that I would want.
	I don't think I've ever really been with someone because of their personal.
	Like, obviously, the guys that I choose to be with have a good personality as well as looks, but I haven't fallen in love with someone's personality and just completely disregarded what they look like as well.
	So have you ever pursued a guy?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What did you do to pursue him?
	And we're going to go around the table with this question.
	Let me think.
	Well, this story, okay.
	So I had a friend who she introduced me to this guy and she like kind of had a crush on him.
	But it was one of those things that wasn't serious.
	And before I ever talked to him or did anything, I made sure it was okay with her.
	Wait, your friend liked him?
	Yes.
	She liked him, but there was no mutual interest.
	And so I was like, is it okay that I talk to him?
	And she was like, yeah, sure, whatever.
	And so I was the first one to text him.
	And I saw him at a football game.
	This was in high school.
	I saw him at a football game and decided to go up to him and just start talking to him.
	But I didn't really flirt or anything until he did it back.
	I wanted to know that he felt the same way without making a fool of myself and being like, you're so hot.
	And did you get him?
	I did.
	We dated for two years.
	Wow.
	And was that the only time that you had pursued somebody?
	I feel like once someone, I want to say the us pursuing each other always goes both ways.
	I feel like it's like we a guy will say that I'm cute or something and then I'll be like, I want him now.
	And then I pursue him.
	But I feel like it almost always starts with a guy.
	Okay.
	So have you ever pursued a guy?
	And if so, what specifically did you do to pursue him?
	I mean, hey, Chris, can you get some champagne, by the way?
	I mean, like, most daddy.
	It's in the refrigerator.
	But I feel like I kind of did it in, like, like the crazy way.
	You know, like, I wouldn't let them know I'm pursuing them, but it'd be like subconscious things.
	Like, oh, I know he hangs out with these people that I'm friends with.
	I'm going to make sure to invite them over to my house tonight.
	So they bring him and like shit like that.
	You are a stalker.
	I didn't say I wasn't.
	It just, you know.
	Every girl is on the low.
	Oh, obviously.
	Let's be honest.
	Every girl is a stalker.
	No.
	To some extent, I feel like most girls have a little tinge.
	We just know how to find out information.
	Yeah.
	That's what it is.
	We're giving away our secrets.
	Sorry.
	What's social media?
	Hensley, can you open that?
	You're in charge of the champagne.
	Have you ever pursued a guy?
	And what did you do to pursue him?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I like to make the first moves.
	I moved out to Santa Barbara a year ago, and then I definitely didn't.
	But I feel like guys don't get complimented enough.
	I don't, like, I kind of disagree with you with the ego boosting thing.
	I don't think guys get as many compliments as women do.
	So when you say like the littlest little compliment to them, it like makes their day and they definitely remember that.
	So like even if like one of my friends like gets a heck out be like, oh like haircut, nice, love it.
	But they remember that.
	So I remember I was at the gym and I saw this guy comes in and like literally turned my head.
	Oh shit.
	How was I asked?
	Wait, I bartend.
	Do you want me to do it?
	Yeah, I used to work in the champagne room.
	Is it gonna spill?
	Not if you cover it in the top.
	I used to work in the champagne in my microphone.
	I don't know.
	She worked at the champagne room.
	I think she's got it.
	There's actually like expensive microphones, please.
	I need like a toe.
	Here you go.
	Oh, she guts.
	Okay.
	I did it.
	Thank you.
	This is for Mike Davis.
	Thank you, Mike.
	God bless you, Mike.
	Oh, you guys hold it up.
	I mean, it's more so like a celebratory thing for me and Mike Davis.
	I need to see IDs.
	Who's over 21?
	Oh, I am.
	If I can get an extra cup.
	Yeah, but I need an extra cup.
	This is empty.
	You gotta mix it with your water.
	Make sure.
	I drank my water.
	I'm dehydrated.
	I'm ready.
	Yours empty.
	I'll just take your cup.
	Oh, no, it's not empty.
	Oh, never mind.
	We'll drink later.
	Yeah, we'll drink later.
	We'll drink later.
	Hey, buddy.
	I don't remember what we were talking about.
	Sorry.
	So we were talking about, have you ever pursued a guy?
	And if so, like, what did you do?
	Tell us the situation.
	I guess the most recent situation was about a month or two ago.
	I was at the gym, and this guy walks in and like completely turned my head.
	I go to the gym daily.
	I've never seen him before.
	Thought he's really handsome.
	Obviously, can't talk to him at the gym.
	And I was out at the bar, like Rockfire, like later that night, and I saw him and I was like, oh, shoot, like, out of the gym, have to say something.
	And so I just kind of like walked up to him.
	I was like, hey, I think you're really handsome.
	Can I get your number?
	Put my number in his phone.
	Yeah.
	I was like, kind of proud of myself for being that brave, because that's like takes a lot.
	Like, this guy was really handsome.
	Did you guys did you guys end up hooking up?
	No.
	What happened?
	We texted for a little bit and we're supposed to go on a date.
	I ended up not responding because I didn't see the message.
	And now I kind of like, it's like a work situation now.
	So I can't make a move.
	Awkward.
	A little bit, but it's okay.
	Enslave.
	Yes.
	Have you ever pursued a guy?
	I have.
	Articulate specifically what you did to pursue him.
	I really enjoy pursuing men.
	It really catches them off.
	Is he changing the angle?
	Go ahead.
	I don't know.
	So the guy I'm actually seeing right now, I kind of pursued.
	He's a go-go dancer at Wildcat, the shitty kitty.
	And I remember, like, I remember I had seen him.
	Wait, hold on.
	He's a stripper.
	He's a go-go dancer.
	They keep their underwear on.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	But he's a dancer.
	Yeah, and it was queer night at Wildcat on a Sunday.
	Y'all should check it out.
	It's pretty fun.
	But they were hosting, the Drag Queens were having a audience participation show.
	And my friend, we were celebrating her graduation.
	She was super sloshed.
	And she threw me up there to dance.
	And lo and behold, this guy who I've seen around town who I have a crush on is one of the judges.
	And I was like, this is very pride and prejudice.
	I like this.
	So he gave me a shitty score.
	And I walked up to him after and I was like, it's okay.
	You gave me a shitty score.
	I still have a crush on you.
	And then we just started talking.
	And he was like, I actually got to get back to work.
	And I was like, you have a great night, handsome.
	Gave him like a kiss on the cheek and then walked away.
	And then ended up seeing him again later that week and started talking.
	Hell yeah.
	Yeah, it was a cute little thing.
	I love that.
	And this is the guy that you're currently seeing.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Go-go dancer.
	Congrats.
	Good for you.
	Get it.
	Gabby.
	I have never pursued a guy before.
	Ever.
	Not once.
	No, never.
	What is really the most you've ever seen that could be kind of considered a pursuit?
	Did you look?
	Oh, no.
	Did you look in a guy's direction once?
	Yes.
	Has that happened?
	No, the thing is, like, guys will pursue me first, and then it always ends up switching to me pursuing them, you know?
	Like, that's my situation.
	So it switches.
	Yes, it switches.
	A guy, like, comes to me first, and then we try it out, and then it just turns to me pursuing them.
	So that's, like, my situation.
	How quickly does it change?
	After, like, a few months, I would say.
	Not quickly.
	After you dropped all your hoes, is that what happens?
	That's always a situation.
	I don't have hoes.
	Like, if I'm talking to someone, I will only talk to them.
	Right.
	So that's true.
	But, yeah.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	So.
	It switches.
	So you think it's a situation where the guys are losing interest over time?
	Yeah.
	And then you're like, by the time they lose interest, I'm the one that's swinging.
	Then you're the one who's up to hang out.
	Exactly.
	Actually, specifically because of what she said, every long-term relationship I've ever had was somebody I pursued.
	Except for one time where I went to a swingers party and ended up dating a couple in Seami Valley.
	That's unimportant.
	Wait, let's talk about the swingers party.
	I got set up on a date, so I went to a swinger's party because I already looked nice.
	And then I ended up going home and living with a couple in Seami Valley.
	They had a big house.
	And then they had a tinier house behind their big house.
	At swingers parties, isn't it just a bunch of couples or just a bunch of people and they just everyone fucks everyone?
	There's the option to.
	You have the option to.
	I did not do this at the party.
	But there was, again, like I just was already all dressed up.
	I was like, I have nowhere to go.
	Dates did me up.
	Let's go somewhere.
	And then Swingers parties ended up for some reason I had my list.
	It was late at night.
	There are rooms where you can do that privately.
	It's not like an orgy where everyone's just like about with their bits aflutter in the wind.
	But you don't have to.
	You can't just meet people.
	Like a lot of people there actually don't want to just get right into it because that's not safe.
	And also you need chemistry and that's not easily identifiable.
	Wait, so okay, you're polyamorous.
	No.
	I'm strictly monogamous.
	But you said you were at points, you're dating currently multiple people.
	Okay, let me be more specific.
	A dude, a rich dude in Simi Valley was paying me to date his wife because she was annoying him.
	They are now divorced.
	Not a great relationship.
	He was awful.
	But I did get my last iPhone out of it.
	So thanks, asshole in Simi Valley for paying me to date your wife that you couldn't stand, even though she's a lovely person.
	Damn, Sean's fired.
	Okay.
	He doesn't know how to use the internet.
	Is he just, he's very old?
	He's very stupid.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	We're going to just read a couple super chats that we got here.
	Let's see.
	Chris, you want to.
	Actually, let's see.
	We have some regular chats too.
	Okay, Stiffler, ask the ladies to rate themselves on a scale of one to ten.
	Okay.
	We'll do that.
	I would say a 10.
	A 10?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like a seven and a half to eight.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'm a ten.
	I'm a ten.
	Wait, that's not what you gave yourself last time.
	I think it is.
	I think you said like eight or nine.
	I don't think I did.
	She's a ten.
	Okay, we're talking looks, by the way.
	She's definitely the 10 change the answer.
	Back on this side, does that change?
	20.
	Okay, Gabby?
	Eight, nine on a good day.
	Okay.
	What did I give myself earlier?
	I don't think you rate.
	Well, what do you rate yourself?
	It might have been a one.
	Believe it or not, I do look better when I'm not dressed like this.
	I'm going to give myself a solid four and a half.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	There's some answers there for you guys.
	Stiffler thinks.
	I'm hitting him a 10.
	I love myself.
	Stay positive.
	Eat pretty well.
	Okay, so every- Y'all tens.
	Well, you had some seven and a half to eight.
	Some modesty.
	Some modesty over here.
	I peeked.
	Okay, so 10.
	10?
	10.
	What do you rate your dog?
	He's a 10.
	10.
	He's a 20.
	The dog's a 20.
	What are we rating him on?
	If it's like guard dog status, he's really not a 10.
	He's a zero.
	He's a good boy.
	Yeah, he's good.
	We're waiting on him a 10 out of 10.
	Rating on Goodest Boy, he's 20 out of 10.
	Yeah, that's correct.
	That is factual.
	So, don't you think it's a bit of hubris to rank yourself as a 10?
	No, no.
	Hubris?
	No?
	Everyone's a 10.
	Everyone's a 10.
	Yep.
	So Brad Pitt is a 10 and Danny DeVito is also a 10.
	Okay, Brad Pitt pre-Box.
	Brad Pitt pre-Botox is a 10.
	He's had Botox.
	Danny DeVito is a 10.
	Looks wise.
	Okay.
	Yeah, he's a cool guy, but looks-wise.
	10.
	Come on.
	Let's.
	I'll die on this.
	We're going around the table.
	Do you guys, everyone know who Danny DeVito is?
	Yes.
	Physically, strictly, physically speaking, what do you rate him?
	I think for some people, he's a 10.
	For me personally, like a zero.
	What?
	Everybody is somebody's 10.
	Yeah.
	That's true.
	I'm my own 10.
	And I think objectively, we're young, hot, in our 20s.
	Like, we're pretty close to 10.
	We're the only one.
	Okay, let me rephrase.
	I'm rephrasing.
	I'm going to rephrase the question.
	I'm the ugly.
	If you lined up 100 men and they weren't trying to sleep with you and they could run away after they gave you their answer, what do you think, you know, if you averaged it out, those 100 men would rate you on a scale of one to 10 looks-wise.
	Where did we find them?
	Where did we find these men?
	How did we get 100?
	Did we find 100 men on Reddit?
	Let's just say it's IV.
	Let's just say the 100 men, it's a cross-section of various backgrounds and nationalities and even sexual orientations.
	Oh, are they saying it to our face?
	You're overthinking this.
	No, no, I'm not overthinking.
	I have a very mean death glare.
	Okay, there.
	You're behind bulletproof glass.
	And they have a five-minute head start to get away from you.
	Only five?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What do you rate yourself?
	Or what would the guys rate you?
	The guys would rate me a 10.
	Here you go.
	Okay.
	I stand by my seven and a half to eight.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Sydney.
	No, I stand by my 10 regardless.
	I know you don't like that answer, but like I don't really care personally.
	Okay.
	I'm in the 10 group now.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	There's no moving.
	Okay.
	I'd say seven.
	Okay.
	Answering this would require me to care what men think.
	So yeah.
	Okay.
	So thank you, Stiffler, for the question.
	Let's see here.
	American Network against Labia Plasty, Audis over any's hashtag all labia matter.
	Thank you.
	That's my nonprofit organization that left that comment.
	So thank you.
	Yes, agreed.
	I think you asked me that the first show.
	Question about the labia size.
	I don't know if we should.
	Well, the first question was: does size matter?
	So at the very end, I was like, we got to do it for women, too.
	What?
	No, the first question was height.
	Oh, damn.
	But we did talk about size.
	We did talk about size.
	Okay.
	So, yeah.
	Okay, first super chat here.
	Therefore, I am five.
	Thank you for the $5 super chat.
	You know what?
	We'll just do five and over.
	Okay, Brian is the type of guy to only hold hands on the first 10 dates with a girl.
	No?
	Thank you for the $5, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah.
	Well, I am a man of God.
	So I'm a virgin.
	So yeah, that actually sounds part.
	That sounds part of the core.
	Part of the course?
	What's that saying?
	Par for the course.
	Par for the course.
	Thank you.
	Okay, you want to pull up the next one, Chris?
	Yes, it's Mr. Beautiful Mike Davis.
	Thank you, Mike.
	Mr. Beautiful.
	Yo, what up, Mike?
	By the way, we poured some champagne.
	Yeah, can I still get a cup of that?
	Yeah, is that more?
	You're over 21, right?
	I am 21.
	I'm 25.
	I'm basically in the ground.
	I don't want to move to the rest of the channel.
	We'll get you some.
	Thank you.
	So, Mike Davis, we poured in a little champagne.
	Brian, you better put some booze in those cups.
	This pack of females are talking like politicians.
	Okay, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	By the way, Mike Davis, so yeah, we did pour some liquor.
	We're also celebrating my massive lawsuit victory.
	So that is another popping champagne.
	And then, by the way, Mike.
	Who's here every week?
	Yeah, Mike, you've been here almost every week.
	Thank you for the support, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Can you be the first one to do a channel membership?
	I think it's like $250 or $5.
	So instead of Super Chat, join the channel, become a member, and then we'll highlight you whenever you become a member.
	And then when you chat, you get a cool icon next to your name.
	So Mike, we're going to be looking out for that.
	All right.
	Mike Davis with the $5 super chat.
	Glad you're bringing back the delusional segment again.
	I think that was what I was talking to me.
	You paid $5.
	I mean, $5.
	They call us delusional.
	Oh, he'll pay more.
	Don't worry.
	He'll pay more.
	Yeah, I mean, Mike, if you don't remember what I said last podcast, you can Benmo me and you can roast me all you want.
	Honestly, same.
	I'll charge $3 for a comment.
	They're into degradation, Mike.
	Okay.
	Stephen Krug with the $5 super chat.
	Show the dog.
	We want to meet him.
	He's kind of sleeping right now.
	Nope.
	I don't know if we, maybe we.
	Maybe we should let sleeping dogs lay.
	Oh, my God.
	If he starts moving around, I'll let him pop his little head up.
	Yo, what's up, Brandon?
	Brandon with the $5 super chat.
	Thank you, man.
	Salad City Rebel.
	Shout out to Kensley.
	I think, does he mean Hensley?
	I think he means Hensley.
	Very close.
	And the Vice Accountability Group.
	Gabby is a solid 10, absolutely drop dead gorgeous.
	Wow.
	That's Brandon, by the way.
	Brandon is a very good guy.
	So just saying, just saying, yeah.
	Yeah, really cool guy.
	Really good guy.
	He's a good guy and a cool guy.
	All the above.
	And then he was, what was he saying about Hensley?
	I run a little support group, weekly support group.
	For Vice Accountability.
	It's basically for just a safe space for talks on mental health, overindulgence, better coping mechanisms, and healthy living habits.
	But it's really just a safe, non-judgmental space to come and share.
	And it's for, it's kind of like Naranon or what's that called?
	Naronon, Narcotics Anonymous.
	Narcotics Anonymous.
	No, it's not associated with AA or NA.
	We do have people who come and, you know, like, I've struggled with alcoholism, so like that's part of my struggle, and I'm open about it.
	But some people come there to work on their lateness, and some people come there to work on fentanyl, and some people come there to work on love and sex addiction.
	It's really just an open, safe space for anybody.
	So you used to booze?
	I did used to booze.
	Should I take away the champagne?
	Oh, I just can't handle it.
	Please, God.
	Okay, got it.
	Got it.
	And then we got a few more super chats here.
	Let's see.
	Mr. Mojo Risen, what's up, Purple Hair?
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	So, tens, really?
	About 10?
	Why is it?
	It's just so hard to believe.
	Everyone is somebody's 10.
	I mean, I guess if, but if you view yourself as a 10, then you're just.
	I don't.
	I'm self-actualizing.
	Sure, but to answer the question, I guess for the rest of the panel.
	I mean, where you can't really improve from there.
	You can go to it.
	Exactly.
	I've peaked.
	It's just like.
	I don't know.
	It's like where.
	I'm my own 10 because at the end of the day, I go home with myself.
	It's my opinion that matters.
	I have to.
	So that's what I think of me.
	And it took me a while to get there to where I'm at.
	Like, I definitely didn't have this kind of confidence when I was younger.
	So, yeah, I'm a 10.
	But wouldn't it also be confident to have some, like, be self-aware and be like, here's a reasonable and fair self-assessment of my appearance.
	And it is.
	And I can still, like, I'm still improving every day.
	Like, you know, like, still in the gym, still working on myself, still growing as a person, but I'm a 10.
	And I think it's for men, they want women to be humble kind of thing.
	It's just like instilled in society that we're like not supposed to think of ourselves as 10s because we're supposed to, you know, be reasonable and have like this other number.
	But I mean, if we want to be a 10, like, why not?
	Yeah.
	But, but, okay, if you want to be a 10, why not?
	But you have to live in reality.
	You have to operate in reality.
	But you don't rate yourself.
	And if you walk around with a ton of confidence, like, who's going to tell you different?
	Like, you could be the prettiest girl in the world and somebody will still call you ugly.
	Confidence is 100% fake.
	Nobody knows if you have it or not, so you might as well fake it till you make it.
	You get more places with faking confidence than you do without it.
	Than being humble.
	Yeah.
	I suppose the issue becomes if you believe you're a 10, then when it comes to your dating prospects, certainly you believe you deserve a 10.
	So then, are you, are your expectations for a partner higher than what you could realistically lend?
	For example, a guy who lives at his house, who plays video games all day, who doesn't have a job, who smokes weed.
	All he's doing, he's just playing video games.
	He's kind of a bum.
	Overweight, unhealthy.
	I don't think that guy's a 10.
	I don't think he can be a 10.
	And if he says, I want a Victoria's Secret model, or I want, you know, he's not going to get it.
	He's not going to get it.
	But I think he knows he's not a 10 kind of thing, because it's also, it has to do with a lot of like, I think your mental health and like your confidence, as we were saying.
	Like the people who are like living that kind of life, I don't think they're sitting in their room with a bunch of happy thoughts wanting to spread like joy and love and work on themselves.
	They want to stay in their bubble of negativity and that's what drags down their number because they don't they aren't a 10 to themselves.
	They don't treat themselves as a 10.
	They don't see themselves as a 10 and that's why they want to project it out onto the world.
	But at the end of the day, I think like if we're a 10, we're like, we're pretty girls who go out in the world confidently and we're working on ourselves every single day and we want to grow and get better.
	We're looking for other people who are trying to grow and be better and work on themselves just as well.
	And that's the energy that we're going to be attracted to.
	So we're going to see people as a 10 even if they're not a 10 because we see the growth that can be made there.
	Yeah.
	And everyone has their specific type and that could be someone's type, you know?
	Like that's not my type, but that could be somebody's.
	Like she said, like everyone's a 10 in somebody's eyes.
	Like there's people, to me, like I don't need a solid 10, honestly.
	Like I'd be.
	But you're a 10.
	I am.
	So you deserve a 10, don't you?
	But if he has the person.
	If he has the aspects that I want, cool.
	That's what I need.
	What are we doing over there with the McDonald's toy?
	Anyone I choose to be with, who I like see myself staying with forever is a 10 to me.
	No matter what they look like.
	Looks-wise?
	I've dated really ugly guys.
	Also, when you're super into someone, I feel like they get more attractive in your eyes, like no matter what they look like.
	And then you get out of it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you're like, what the hell?
	I'm like, oh, this is going, just delete those Facebook photos.
	Hide the Instagrams.
	All right.
	So here's how we're going to settle this debate.
	I got my scouter on.
	But we're going to ask the chat.
	Chat.
	Clockwise ratings.
	Oh, no.
	Chat.
	Rate.
	You can rate me too, and you can rate Kiki.
	Kiki, what do you think about this?
	Can I have more champagne if we're going to be able to do that?
	Good answer, Kiki.
	Okay.
	So, chat, let us know.
	Clockwise.
	So, okay, we're going to move on.
	No, I'm not reading the chat.
	We're going to move on.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	I'm just looking at the chat here.
	I see some good ones.
	Wait, clockwise starting with who?
	Whichever way is clockwise.
	From you?
	So starting with Hensley?
	Wait.
	Why would we start in the middle?
	Start at one of the girls at the end.
	Yeah.
	Start here with Kayla.
	Is it?
	Start with Kayla.
	Move around.
	End with Faye.
	Purple hair.
	Okay.
	I know who I'm getting tons from.
	I know my target audience.
	Just waiting on the chat, getting a little bit of chat coming in.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	I'll take the four.
	You're correct.
	Look at Anne.
	Thank you, Andy.
	Yeah, he's sweet.
	Kayla is a 29.
	Thank you, Carlos.
	I will go on that lobster dinner.
	Thank you, Steven.
	I like the eight.
	We got two five.
	One, eight.
	Yeah, no, I know.
	I told you it has to be healthy.
	But combined, we're a 10, though.
	So I feel like, we'll go out tonight.
	Everyone dreams.
	It's good that we're going out tonight then.
	Okay.
	Thank you, chat, for your Mario's rough.
	Smooth.
	Tough crowd.
	Let's see what Mario looks like.
	Can we pull up?
	Can we pull up what Mario is?
	Let's see what she looks like.
	Looks like Danny DeVito in that picture, not gonna lie.
	I was gonna say, maybe like a Kentucky farmer, but like.
	Chris, can you hide the super chat?
	Oh, rude.
	Or wait, did I read it?
	Did I read it?
	Yeah, I think you read it.
	Okay, I read it.
	You have not read it.
	Yeah, let me read it.
	Mike Davis, $5 super chat.
	Whoa, that booze hit quick.
	It makes no difference how you feel or what you convince yourself.
	You either are or you aren't.
	It ain't that deep.
	Oof.
	Mike Davis coming in hard.
	Mike is so real.
	He's a handsome guy, by the way.
	What do you guys rate Mike?
	Oh, 10.
	I mean, his thumbnail's a bit real.
	I'm not sure if I'm on the smaller side, maybe.
	Keep sending us money.
	I think he looks good with the glasses.
	He's a good-looking dude.
	So Mike Davis.
	Mike Davis is a 10 for sure.
	Okay, so moving on from this.
	I think I'm aggravating some people here.
	They were quick to answer.
	We both got participation.
	They were waiting.
	Why don't we, Chris, just highlight a few of them?
	Ooh, smooth POV.
	What's up, man?
	Good to see you.
	Let's see.
	Yeah, just.
	Okay.
	555673, 10, 1,000.
	Who's a thousand?
	Can we kiss you?
	Can we dial these things up for you?
	Your whole body can't really rate.
	Oh, my God.
	You know what?
	So real.
	Maybe we need a couple people to do a couple spins, just throwing it out there, you know.
	I don't think we do.
	I think they're uncomfortable.
	Will you get demonetized if I flip people off?
	No, you can, if you want to do the burden.
	You got the most tens.
	Did I?
	I also got the most four.
	Mike?
	Mike is a 10 for sure.
	Okay.
	So we're going to go back to the topic of initiatives.
	I don't care about your name.
	So we sort of talk a little bit about during the initial phases.
	Have any of you ever kissed a guy first?
	Gone in for the kiss first?
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Kayla, we'll start with you.
	I don't know.
	I think I just block those things out.
	What?
	And I.
	I feel like I haven't.
	You block those things?
	Well, okay.
	Are we talking in relationships?
	Like, am I dating this person?
	No, first kiss torture.
	First kiss.
	I've never done that.
	Why not?
	I mean, I don't want to be weird.
	But.
	You know, like, I don't want him to be like, ugh.
	Do you think that would happen if you went for the first kiss?
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	It could happen.
	And that's why I just decided to remove myself from any situation that that would, you know, I don't ever want him to be like, that bitch tried to kiss me.
	Could you imagine?
	The nerd.
	Horrible.
	Do it.
	I can't.
	I think it's.
	Because then he's going to be like, that bitch had the balls versus any other bitch.
	Not that bitch tried to kiss me.
	I promise.
	He's absolutely right.
	It's a good thing.
	And if he dodges it, okay.
	He might like fall.
	Oh my god.
	And no man can just dodge a kiss.
	How would you dodge a kiss?
	Just do it.
	Please.
	He's like going to be like, oh my god, she tried to kiss me.
	He's going to go, yo, she tried to kiss me.
	But like, I feel like sometimes a man has tried to kiss me, even one that I've been interested in, and I've been like, yeah, because sometimes they're gross.
	Yeah.
	That's true.
	That's just a different person.
	Just different than ours.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	Wait, so a guy who you're interested in has tried to kiss you, and you.
	Why?
	Yeah.
	Well, does he deserve it?
	That's the biggest question.
	The self-worth.
	I love it.
	What?
	Does he deserve it?
	Yeah.
	Does he deserve it?
	That's a reward, if anything.
	A kiss is a reward that a woman gives to a man.
	Yeah, or a man gives to a woman.
	Okay.
	But when you do it, it's a reward.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever been rewarded by a kiss?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, that's fine.
	I think that's a good idea.
	Okay.
	That's interesting.
	So what would be a scenario in which you feel a guy would be deserving of being rewarded with a kiss?
	I loved him.
	Bye-bye.
	If you.
	Stop the cap.
	Hold up.
	Okay.
	So you only kiss men that you're in love with?
	Honestly, that's been the trend.
	Like, okay, or I can see myself loving them, I think is a better way to put it.
	You can.
	Like, if I'm like, oh, I want to date this person, I want to be with this person, whatever, then I think that maybe I should kiss them.
	If it's some random guy at a club, no.
	Have you ever kissed a guy at the club?
	Randomly?
	Yes.
	At a party?
	Sure.
	I mean, that was when I was in high school mainly.
	And so I feel like now I'm at the club.
	Now I'm at the club.
	Okay.
	Now it's just different.
	And I don't, I feel like guys are a little bit less.
	In high school, I felt like I was really trying to grab male attention and try to be like the hottest girl in the room.
	And like, I wanted to go up to them and be flirty and try and kiss them.
	And now I feel like the right person will just come to me, so I don't need...
	I mean, sure, it's fun for some people.
	To me, it's just not.
	Have you ever initiated the first kiss?
	Definitely.
	Like, before, back in high school, I would always just wait for someone to kiss me.
	But then this one time, this guy was going in for the kiss and straight punched me in the face.
	Nice.
	And literally ever since then, I have gone for the first kiss.
	Can you elaborate?
	Like he head-butted you?
	No, like punched me.
	Like with the kids.
	Like he was trying to like put his arm like around me.
	He's so tight.
	What is going on?
	Like the worst.
	But yeah.
	Ever since then, I literally just went for the first kiss and like that was actually mortifying.
	I never want that to happen again in my life.
	So I'll just like, I'll do it.
	Sydney?
	Yes.
	The first guy when I moved out here that I was seeing, we were like hanging out for like a while and we still didn't kiss and then we were like, I was like, are you going to kiss me?
	And he's like, I'm thinking about it.
	I was like, okay, well, you should.
	And then I did it.
	So how many times had you guys been hanging out?
	Like three or four.
	We took things really slow in the beginning.
	So he was just scared to make a move?
	Yeah.
	Now that I think about it, like our first time hanging out, like hung out all night.
	Would you?
	Nothing, not even like touching nothing.
	Would you have kissed him that night?
	The first night?
	No.
	I liked how, like, slow, no, honestly, because, like, with my, yeah, honestly, like, with my.
	You would not have kissed him the first night.
	I mean, if it was right, maybe.
	But like, I liked how slow things were going because in my past, I've gotten it, like, guys either were just wanting like physical stuff or like moving it in so quick or something.
	But I liked how like slow it was going.
	But then like after by like the fourth date, the fourth like time hanging out, I was like, kind of like, okay, like I'm ready for like a first kiss.
	Like, come on, let's go.
	Yeah.
	So I liked how slow it was in the beginning, but then it was like a little bit more.
	You didn't really, you kind of went for it.
	But you're like, stop being a bitch.
	Go for it.
	Right?
	He needed a little shove and it worked.
	But why didn't you just, you could have gone for it, right?
	Yeah, but you kind of you sort of went for it, but it was kind of like, hey, dude, you do it.
	A little bit.
	I mean, he needed a shove.
	He needed like a little help because he was taking a minute.
	Was it starting to become a turn off for you that he wasn't initiating?
	No, it was more so like, what the hell?
	Because I knew that we were like, these were dates and that we were like together for a bit.
	But I was more so like, okay, like, why is this like taking so long?
	I knew that he wanted to, but he just didn't.
	So I like, he needed some help.
	And I was like, all right.
	Kiss me.
	So, yeah.
	Hensley?
	No.
	Never kiss a guy first?
	No, I do like the eye contact.
	Like the conversation lulls and then you do eye contact and then it's like.
	Can you demonstrate on Gabby?
	Okay.
	And then, yeah, then you kiss.
	Do you do the triangle?
	What's the triangle?
	With your eyes.
	Oh, you.
	See, when we go out tonight, I'll show you, too.
	And from this episode of Cosmopolitan Magazine, okay, Gabby, have you ever, I mean...
	No, not that I can remember.
	I don't remember initiating the first kiss ever.
	Okay.
	So I said yes, but I think every kiss I've ever had is like first kiss with someone that's been like mutual.
	Like we both initiated and it was understood.
	Both initiated?
	Yeah, like it was.
	Well, we did the looks.
	We just made eyes at each other until something happened.
	But someone kind of has to, you know, go in first.
	I guess.
	Yeah, I guess it's me about 50-50.
	I don't.
	Okay.
	And no, they seem pretty synchronized.
	Just like synchronized swimming, but with making out on your roommate's couch.
	Like that.
	Gotcha.
	So two questions related to that.
	Not your thing specifically, but is it a deal breaker or turn off if the person tries to kiss you either too soon or takes too long?
	Like you're like waiting for them to do it.
	Definitely a deal breaker if it takes too long.
	It starts feeling kind of platonic, right?
	Yeah, like if I wanted a friend, I'd have a friend.
	Sure.
	We're dating.
	So let's do dating stuff.
	Like kiss.
	And to add to the question, also, have you ever had a situation where a guy just waited too long to make a move?
	Even though you were interested in him, he just waited too long and then you just lost interest.
	Gabby?
	I don't think it's a deal breaker.
	I really like taking things slow.
	So for me, that just, it's the turn on, actually.
	I don't like when guys are trying to move into things too fast.
	So if a guy the first time hanging out just tried to kiss you, is that too fast for you?
	It's not like a turn off, but yeah.
	So you like to take things slow.
	Yeah, definitely.
	What do you mean?
	Like, I'm not going to hook up with you the first week.
	Hi, Chris.
	Oh, there we go.
	Hold on.
	I got something for you, Chris.
	What the fuck?
	What that?
	I like taking things slow.
	Don't do that shit, Chris.
	You like taking things slow.
	Okay.
	Hensley.
	I get bored very fast.
	And I also like not to be one of those chicks where it's like, all my friends are guys, but like, if you don't kiss me on the first date, you're homeboyed very quickly.
	So.
	First date.
	They have to kiss you.
	If the date goes well, yeah, absolutely.
	If they don't, that's then it works with them.
	It's donezo.
	I'm like, all right, cool.
	Has there ever been a circumstance, though, where it's just like the circumstances, it just didn't happen.
	And even then, donezo?
	I can't imagine a circumstance.
	Not one's popping into my head.
	Like, it hasn't happened yet.
	It hasn't happened yet.
	You're like, hey, I got to go, or he's got to go.
	I get bored so fast.
	It's, no.
	All right.
	Make your moves quick, guys.
	It's kind of a turn off if he does it too fast.
	Like 15 minutes into the date where he goes in for a kiss.
	I was just like, no, like, that's a bit of a turn off.
	Too slow for me isn't bad.
	I kind of like taking things slow when it comes to building a relationship.
	I like that.
	But four dates into kiss, like to kiss me, that's a bit much.
	But yeah.
	Like first date, if it's like a kiss on the cheek goodnight or like a peck, if it's like going well, yeah, but like not like full-blown like make out session.
	I feel like I agree with like four dates would be a little much, but like anything before that's just kind of like adds to the chase.
	so I feel like it's a lot more fun.
	We have a new bitch in...
	Oh, it's a male dog, my bad.
	We have a new dog in the studio.
	There we go.
	Nice.
	Dog dating is super easy, so I feel like there's not.
	Yeah, they fuck.
	Okay, Kayla.
	Or wait, Chrissy, sorry, did you answer the question?
	Yeah, like four dates would be like a little much, but I think before that, like the chase was fun.
	I also like to take things slow, so I think it's sweet when a guy is, I would take it as he's being shy or something like that.
	I think that's sweet.
	And I'm kind of the same way.
	So yeah, I feel like if I really, really liked the person, no amount of time could be like a deal breaker.
	I would probably ask though, like, do you just see me as a friend?
	If he was taking too long.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	So I want to propose to the not that kind of propose.
	So I'm going to paint a scenario here for you guys, and I want you to tell me if that would be kind of exciting for you.
	You'd be like, no, So let's say you're going on a date with a guy.
	First date.
	And you haven't kissed him yet.
	Like, maybe you met somewhere, but he just got your number, whatever, maybe.
	Dating app, DM, whatever it may be.
	The very, so, okay, you're on a first date.
	You're walking up, you're meeting each other, walking up towards each other.
	The very first thing he says is, hey, so would you be down to just get the whole first kiss thing out of the way right now?
	What would you think of that?
	Would you go for it?
	Or could he redeem himself after that?
	I think he could redeem himself and say it was like a joke.
	But you wouldn't, you wouldn't go for it.
	Because that's kind of ballsy, not gonna lie.
	It's kind of cute.
	I think I'd go for it.
	I kind of fuck with that.
	Like if we have like a strong texting streak, the vibes are like there over text message.
	Like we had a connection when we got each other's number.
	And then like we walk up, she's like, hey, do you, like, I kind of like that.
	I haven't gotten that before, but I can kind of like that.
	It's kind of ballsy, right?
	It is kind of, I kind of like, we're going to have so many things to try.
	No, I definitely go for that.
	I would like it, yeah.
	And like you said, if there was a texting streak before, absolutely.
	But if there wasn't, like, if this is kind of like your first time meeting the person, y'all could kiss.
	And if they were a bad kisser, then you could be like, yeah, thanks for that.
	I'm going to finish this date.
	Peace out.
	Thank you so much.
	Glad we got that out of the way.
	It's called being fiscally responsible.
	Gabby?
	I don't think I would like it.
	If the guy first thing.
	No, yeah, because imagine how many other first dates he's tried that on.
	So it would just make me feel kind of not special.
	Okay.
	You'd feel not special.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Verse 7.
	There's a situation.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	We've got some.
	Oh, he's limping.
	He's got a little limp.
	He'll get over it.
	He's kind of a drama queen.
	All right.
	Sorry, guys.
	We've got dogs in the studio here.
	So, I shouldn't have revealed.
	That's my.
	I've had that in the arsenal for a little bit.
	So now all the guys might try that.
	I've tried it as an experiment.
	As we know, how'd it go?
	I've tried it only two times.
	It worked once.
	The other time didn't work.
	What happened when she was a little bit more likely to do that?
	What did she say when you tried that?
	Yeah, but did you go on the date?
	No, we continued hanging out.
	I mean, I didn't push it.
	It was just, I was just like, oh, yeah, I'm just joking.
	What was her response when you said it, though?
	I'm kind of curious.
	Like, what did she say?
	It wasn't a bad response.
	She wasn't like, oh.
	And I, you know, I moved on really quick, but uh, you recovered, yeah.
	There's a recovery.
	There was a recovery.
	I was just like, no, I didn't say, okay, so I didn't say I was joking.
	I think I just said, oh, yeah, I figured I'd just give it a shot, you know, but it's cool.
	Anyways, how's your day going?
	Just move on to something else.
	But yeah, guys, try it out.
	That's some gangster shit, guys.
	It takes some balls, though.
	Take some balls.
	She'll definitely remember that shit, though.
	Like, no guy.
	Well, some guys might do that, but.
	All right, try it out, guys.
	Okay, so who here is on the dating app?
	Just show of hands.
	Not Gabby, Hensley, you, all three of you?
	No.
	Dating app, not no dating apps.
	Have you ever been on the dating app?
	Yeah.
	Farmers only?
	Oh, you know, I am from Texas, so that is like the whole dream.
	But no, I was on Tinder and Hinge.
	And I think maybe Bumble for like actually three hours.
	Bumble's weird.
	Bumble is weird.
	Wait, why is Bumble weird?
	Just like we have to make the first time.
	You have to talk first.
	Heaven forbid.
	I always do, but I don't want to have to.
	See, I couldn't figure it out.
	That and Hinge, honestly, because Tinder you download, no, yes.
	Like, that was easy for me.
	And then, like, Bumble was complicated.
	You couldn't figure it out.
	I didn't take the time to.
	I didn't care enough, honestly.
	Like, I just, and then you have to.
	No.
	Sorry.
	I was always confused if you're by too, because I was like, if we're both chicks, who has to do it first?
	On Bumble?
	Yeah.
	Is that confusing?
	Bumble, like, got a lawsuit for that, also.
	Oh, my God.
	Which one was more masculine?
	I got a check.
	Yeah.
	Like, who wears more flannel?
	At least sent you a check.
	Yeah, it was only for men because men were, I don't know, there's something discriminatory on Bumble against them.
	That the girls have to message first.
	It was like discrimination.
	I think it was.
	Yeah, so.
	Can we know how much the check was?
	I think it was like 50 bucks or something.
	Really?
	Wow.
	What?
	About to change my identity on Bumble.
	I'm on the league.
	Wait, it's okay.
	Bumble's weird.
	So is Hinge.
	I never figured out.
	I wonder how it works with gay men on Bumble.
	They do.
	They don't give away Bumbles.
	They do elsewhere.
	My assumption would be for gay men and for gay women on Bumble, either one can message first.
	But for straight couple, if you're straight, the woman has to message first.
	So is that why you guys thought it was weird?
	Because y'all had to message first?
	Yeah.
	I mean, messaging first is just, it sucks.
	Like, it gave me a little empathy towards guys who have to message first.
	Like, if their pickup line sucks, it'll be such a like, you're out of here.
	And then I'm like, do my pickup lines suck?
	Probably.
	Okay, so anyone else on why you didn't like Bumble?
	You thought it was weird?
	Yeah, I just think it's weird.
	Why?
	It just is.
	You know when certain things just rub you the wrong way?
	No, you're gonna have to articulate it for me.
	Okay, first of all, I feel like the crowd on there is just like maybe they got banned from Tinder.
	And then they got banned from Hinge.
	That's why I was on Bumble.
	And now they're on Bumble.
	Oh, you got banned.
	I got banned from Tinder.
	What did they say?
	I think I just got reported a lot for like trolling.
	No, I think a lot of people thought I was a catfish profile.
	And I got reported.
	Did you have your stripper photos on there?
	No, I didn't have anything like.
	It's because you're a 10.
	It's because you're, yeah, I guess it's because you're a 10.
	But then I use my grandma's phone number, and then the same thing happens.
	My grandma is also banned from Tinder.
	I think they use image recognition.
	So if you reuse the same photos in your new profile, it'll ban you again.
	They can also IP ban you.
	I got IP banned on Tinder.
	Yeah, you can get your.
	What are you guys doing on Tinder?
	Jesus.
	Never mind.
	Say it.
	Say it.
	I was going to say that.
	Why did you get banned on Christian Mingle?
	I was going to say I disagree because I got banned too, and then I used a different phone number, and now it works for me.
	So I was going to agree, but I was like, nobody needs to know that part, but we're already there.
	I found it out.
	You can do it three times before they IP ban you.
	Because my phone logs in.
	I'm only on number two, and right now I'm like, I'm good.
	But it's like photos, but maybe it's like more mature photos of me.
	You know, like I'm older now.
	I don't know what the deal is, but I'm playing it safe this time.
	You definitely should.
	You should just dispute the ban.
	I don't even know how.
	I can't figure it out.
	It's very hard.
	Their customer service does not respond.
	I've never been banned, though.
	Okay, so Bumble.
	Y'all, have every single one of you been on Bumble?
	I just don't like the, I don't like the user interface.
	That's my main problem.
	It's a graphic design thing.
	Sounds like that's cope for having to initiate.
	No, because I always send the first message, but again, I don't like having to.
	Like, what if he has a funnier, like, what if he has a funnier opener?
	What if he outshines me?
	And then it comes after mine.
	That's a terrible comedy special.
	So, Kayla, you were on Bumble.
	What was your go-to first message?
	Since you had the message first.
	I never messaged anyone.
	But you were on Bumble?
	Yeah, for like three hours.
	Okay, then you just deleted it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I didn't message anyone.
	Because you deleted it because you had to message me.
	Also, I just don't, I hate dating apps.
	And so I'll say I break up with someone.
	I'm like, whatever.
	I'm going to get a dating app.
	And then I do, and then I'm like, oh, I didn't want to be on here in the first place.
	Have you ever met someone from a dating app?
	Christy?
	Oh, I was just smiling.
	It was funny.
	No, but have you ever met someone off of a dating app?
	Well, I'm here because of a dating app.
	Great experiences.
	So, well, okay, I mean, romantically.
	I actually don't think so, no.
	I don't really use dating apps to actually date around.
	I just kind of like looking at what's going on.
	So for validation?
	Not even for validation.
	It's like I don't reply to half my messages or I don't swipe on anyone.
	I just kind of look at what's going on.
	Savage.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Who's around?
	Curiosity.
	Yeah.
	Curiosity.
	Okay.
	And you said you were on Bumble too.
	Yeah, I'm banned on Bumble.
	Oh my sis, how do you get banned on Bumble?
	You learned me to rank on that app.
	It's a really tough life.
	What are you doing?
	It was literally just my Venmo and my bio, and I don't care.
	Taking notes.
	You see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've gone.
	I think you're done.
	Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
	If I see a chick's Venmo on a dating app, that's an instant report.
	I'm sorry, Christy.
	You know what?
	That's probably one of the ones that I'm going to do.
	It was probably me.
	You were probably reported by him.
	It was probably me.
	I got you banned on Bumble.
	I saw you.
	Not only did you have your Venmo, you.
	You had your OnlyFans also.
	You had your OnlyFans linked and had to report to you.
	Because you're trying to get these simps.
	Okay.
	Sydney, you were on Bumble.
	Why didn't you like it?
	I was on it for like two days and I couldn't figure it out well.
	So I was like, I don't like this app.
	But I've also been like, I don't know.
	I didn't like it.
	And then I found out that I've been cheated on via Bumble.
	So I was like, I really don't like this app because I just can't, I don't know.
	It takes, I'm not a fan of it.
	I've never DM'd anybody on Bumble first.
	It was just irritating for me.
	So I just didn't do it.
	Why didn't you message anybody on Bumble?
	I just didn't, I guess.
	I like had it for a few days.
	I wasn't on it much.
	I like swiped a few times.
	I just wasn't interested.
	But I have Tinder.
	Had really good experiences with Tinder.
	I'm out in Santa Barbara because of Tinder.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, Bumble's an interesting one.
	Yeah, I'm not a fan.
	But you can do it like friend.
	You can switch it to friends.
	So when I had it, that's why I did it.
	I didn't switch it to romantic.
	I did it for friends, which sounds pathetic, but make friends.
	Well, because I was new out here.
	I didn't have any girlfriends.
	So I was like, fuck it.
	It's impossible to make friends as an adult.
	You have to go outside, which we haven't been allowed to do for three years.
	So I'll give my take really quick on Bumble.
	So.
	Did you get banned too?
	Did I?
	I don't know.
	I know I got banned from Tinder because I did an experiment on there.
	And I ended up matching with the VP of something at Tinder.
	And yeah, they banned me.
	Hey, no bullspit.
	Thank you for becoming.
	I think that might, Chris, is that our first ever member.
	Mike Davis, you're leaving.
	My first member.
	Mike Davis, you're breaking my heart.
	Hey, man, thank you.
	Hold on, let me do super chats really quick.
	Let's see here.
	Hold on.
	Okay, I'm going to read this.
	Mike Davis.
	Go full screen, Chris.
	Mike Davis, or sorry, why?
	Thank you for the $20 super chat, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	I got to sign out.
	Give this $20 to the girl who keeps begging for Venmo.
	I like helping the less fortunate.
	I will never send a young girl.
	I ain't trying to catch a case.
	Peace.
	Who is that?
	Because if you have, that's you.
	Yeah, because I was on here last time and I was like, hey, if you want to keep roasting people, just Venmo.
	Yeah.
	Mike Davis, before you leave, become a member.
	We need you as part of the whatever warriors.
	So thanks, man.
	Thank you for the $20 super chat.
	Let's see here.
	We also got New Bullspit became a member.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I think that's our first ever membership.
	Hey, Chris, can you boost the computer volume to 60?
	Yes.
	It's the keyboard.
	Yes, I'm.
	Oh, it's already at 60.
	Oh, put it to 70.
	Okay.
	Thank you, no Bullspit, for becoming a member.
	I'm not sure what tier you joined at, but yeah, appreciate it, man.
	And let me, while I have it here, let me get your super chat.
	No Bullspit with the $10 Super Chat.
	Hey, man, thank you for the support.
	Much appreciated.
	How long in a relationship does one pass gas in front of their partner?
	And why do girls try so hard to hide parting and go number two in front of their partner?
	Okay, really quick.
	Let's go around the panel.
	Faye.
	I don't hide these things.
	I have IBS.
	Like, sorry, that's it.
	Like, if you don't want to love my ulcerative colitis as much as I hate it, then that's going to be a problem.
	But also, everyone I've died.
	On the microphone, please, Michael.
	Microphone.
	Closer to the mic.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, everyone I've dated has been weirdly okay with it.
	More okay than I am with it.
	So claps to them.
	Okay, Gabby.
	I've never been in a relationship, so I don't really know.
	Never.
	Wait, never been in a relationship?
	I've never had a boyfriend.
	No.
	So I couldn't really answer this question.
	But I have been like on and off with somebody for like the past three years.
	You've been on and what?
	I was.
	Why was he consistently breaking up with you?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I feel like the most, the best answer is he was a frat guy.
	So that's a good thing.
	That explains it all.
	He was a frat guy.
	What frat?
	No, I cannot say the frat.
	No, but we there's so many guys in it.
	Are you in a sorority?
	No.
	No, okay.
	There's so many guys in frats.
	Just like to this, even though we've been, or we had been, I have no contact with him at all anymore.
	But to this day, like even though I had known, had known him for three years, I would not, what was the question?
	Fart or pass gas in front of him at all, even though I've known him for that long since freshman year.
	Hensley, real quick on this one.
	There has to be an accidental slip first, and then once that bridge is broken, then it's free range.
	Good answer.
	Sydney?
	Yeah, I kind of agree with you.
	I've never had that issue.
	I mean, I've never been in like a really serious long-term relationship.
	So yeah, I don't really have.
	Yeah.
	I mean, once you're comfortable enough with them, I feel like just like whenever it slips up, just like, well, it's out of the way now.
	So yeah, I guess.
	Yeah.
	I can stand by that.
	Okay.
	No bull spit.
	Thank you for that.
	Very intriguing question.
	We got Mike.
	Oh, no, Mike.
	We already got this one from Mike Davis.
	And then I don't know if we got this one.
	Mike Davis with the $5 soup chat.
	I'm maybe a four.
	My mental game is strong.
	I get girls with game and earning dough.
	Most women are asexual.
	They're married to the money.
	I do love sectionals.
	Asexual.
	I'm not sure what that means unless you meant asexual.
	Okay, well, Mike Davis, thank you, man.
	Much appreciated.
	Mike Davis.
	We hope to see you next time, man.
	Thank you for tuning in.
	Mike Davis.
	Okay, so where were we?
	We were talking about Bumble.
	Did I get my take?
	I did not get my take on Bumble.
	Okay, Bumble.
	Yeah, the girl messages first.
	And even though the woman has to message first on Bumble, overwhelmingly, y'all just say hi.
	Y'all can't even, the one app, the one dating app where you can, it's the power is in your hands.
	Y'all can't even muster some clever shit.
	I'm just saying that.
	Y'all just say hi.
	Hi, how's it going?
	But hey, you know?
	I had a really good one.
	What did you say?
	My one would always be, what is the best form of potato?
	And you could rate their questions, because if they said French fry, they're basic.
	But if they said something super extravagant, like a twice-baked potato with this and that and that, they're too much.
	The correct answer is tater tots or hash browns.
	Words.
	Okay.
	So, all right.
	That was a good one.
	Thanks.
	I'm sure that got you plenty of guys.
	They were interested in it.
	America likes potatoes.
	It should be more of a pickup line.
	Bring back the potato pickup lines.
	But yeah, so what I've noticed on Bumble is there are some girls that would, when I was on it, they would read my profile, comment on something, do something a bit creative, but like 95% of the messages were just hi.
	And I've heard a complaint from women on Tinder, if a guy just says hi, it's not very good.
	It's not great.
	I think it's a low likelihood of response if a guy just says hi.
	So when the tables are turned, y'all fucking up.
	Okay.
	So do you respond to the highs, though, when someone says hi?
	Yeah, I'll still respond because I'm, I mean, here's the thing.
	Like, yes, I do.
	Because that's what you got to work with what you get, you know?
	I still would respond, but the idea for the app is kind of funny because it's so token because it's all like, oh, let's empower women.
	Let's give them, they can do it.
	But like my experience on Bumble was they say hi and then they're immediately passing to you the conversational burden.
	So it's just like a toe, it's just a totally token thing.
	So that's been my experience.
	They say hi, and then you have to carry the conversation from there.
	So that's been my experience, anyways.
	Not all the time.
	There's definitely some girls that they can bring it, but a lot of the time they say hi and then they expect you to do the typical, you have to be the one who's clever and saying all the shit.
	And then you have to ask them out.
	I don't think I've ever had an experience where they might say hi, but they're not going to ask for my number.
	They're not going to set up a date.
	So it's a very token thing.
	Word.
	Okay.
	So.
	Well, I think people say hi a lot on these apps because it's like, these are very physical based apps.
	So the high is just an extension of their profile photo.
	It's like they're not really saying much because they just want you to look at their photograph anyways and then nod or disagree with it.
	I got something to say about that.
	I always try to open with like something to do with like whatever's in their bio or pictures.
	My ex who moved to Italy for work, like he had a picture of a Warhammer 40K figure in place of the pot from like the pottery scene in Ghost.
	And I thought that was hilarious.
	No one else will, but like that's why I match with him.
	And I mentioned it in my first message to him.
	Like I try to relate to something just to show that like, hey, I actually looked at what you wrote and also put on your profile.
	Not going to mention the fact that you're 6'4 and deadlift.
	God, I hope he doesn't watch this.
	But I always try to put an effort in just because they are very physical apps.
	I know 90% of these guys I match with are not looking at a single thing I write.
	And I want to make sure they are.
	And occasionally I'll drop it a little quiz.
	You quiz them?
	Yeah, I'll mention something that wasn't in my bio.
	I'll be like, oh, like I said in my bio, like this.
	And they'll be like, oh, yeah, and then try to write a paragraph playing off of that.
	And I'll be like, I never wrote that.
	It got you.
	You're in jail.
	And then it fizzles out from there.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So just going back around really quick, coming back to initiative.
	Do you prefer it when the guy initiates or would you rather initiate, Kayla?
	I prefer when the guy does.
	Yeah.
	Like, and overall, yeah, the guy.
	I think it's more attractive when he does, but I think it's more fun when I do.
	I like to allure to it, but it's more fun when the guy makes that first physical move.
	The guy, for sure.
	I'm just so clueless.
	I need them to give me a clear sign.
	I did see something, too, that one of my girlfriends told me was like how they always say, like, oh, like, she wears the pants, but it's like, she sews the pants and he wears them.
	Wait, what?
	Essentially, like, what?
	Kind of like, so, like, girls will, like, put out those first few signs and then making the guy think that he made the first move.
	Like, that's what I did with an ex of mine.
	I would, like, put out those first few signs.
	He's like, oh, okay.
	And then he shot the shot, so he thinks that he, like, made the first move.
	So, like, I sewed the pants, but he wears them, type of thing, you know?
	Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.
	I was like, you know, if you see someone at a club, you can give vibes.
	Like, I know guys to be like, oh, you expect to just know off a look or something, but you know the look.
	You pass by, you're like, oh, I'm so sorry I touched their shoulder.
	Absolutely.
	Love that.
	But like, something like that.
	And then they're just like, oh, okay, like, I saw her, like, let me go.
	And it's just like, no, like, we saw you first.
	Like, okay.
	You know?
	So, why do you prefer that the guy take initiative?
	Well, going back to what I said before, I sometimes feel weird doing stuff like that.
	Like, I feel like an odd person.
	I'm just clueless, and I can't take hints.
	So it's good self-awareness.
	I think it's attractive when he kind of goes for it.
	I don't like reaching for details, kind of.
	Like, I don't want to ask for your number.
	I don't want to get all your information.
	I want you to want to get that from me.
	Agree with her.
	It's more attractive.
	And also, like I said before, I'm not the most confident or bold.
	So.
	What was his question?
	I have lost track of the conversation.
	Well, I'll just ask a new one.
	Agree or disagree, if a guy doesn't have the balls to approach you, that's not the type of guy you want anyway.
	Yeah, I mean, again, I'm clueless.
	If you don't show clear signs you're attracted to me, I don't know at all.
	I'll just think you're a real good pal.
	I would agree.
	I'm pretty clueless, too.
	I disagree.
	I like if I'm not immediately noticed sometimes.
	Yeah, I disagree.
	I mean, I don't think, like, especially in like a bar setting, like, there's a lot going on.
	Like, he doesn't have to automatically see me, but I can definitely kind of introduce myself and then he'll see me for the rest of the night, you know?
	I also disagree.
	I feel like, oh, like, the lead up to it is like really fun.
	So, just like, oh, are they going to talk to me?
	Are they not going to talk to me?
	And then, like, if they do, if they don't.
	I also disagree.
	And I agree with you girls.
	I think that having someone come out, like, that's just, it's nice.
	Okay.
	It is.
	It validates a little bit, you know?
	All right.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	So, um.
	I think your dog is digging for something there.
	There's a dead body.
	So if I recall, every single one of you said you were feminists, considered yourself feminists.
	Yeah.
	Not Hensley.
	I don't think I said anything about it.
	You might have omitted that.
	Yeah, I didn't really acknowledge it too much.
	You two, though, said yes.
	I'm like, I feel like a more like modern definition of feminism, it's kind of like aligning with a political party completely and totally.
	It's if you're a feminist, you're expected to be certain things that if you do disagree with someone on something, they're going to tell you you're not that anymore.
	I agree with that, but like, I'm a feminist by definition of, you know, men are equal to women.
	Well, isn't that just egalitarianism?
	Right.
	And that, I guess.
	But so, I mean, feminism, I think, is different than being an egalitarian or egalitarian.
	Well, an egalitarian truly believes that men and women are equal and they fight for equality between men and women.
	But feminism, that's something different.
	I feel like maybe it's morphed into something different, but generally on the basis of being men and women are equal, like raising women to the standard of what they should be, which is equal to a man from where it used to be, wasn't it?
	Yeah, so feminism is essentially women's advocacy.
	Yeah.
	I don't consider it seeking equality.
	You want to come in on this?
	Go ahead.
	No, I just, it's different entirely.
	Like, they're different concepts entirely.
	I feel like feminism itself is such a nebulous, weird term that's kind of become meaningless thanks to terminally online Twitter weirdos.
	But there's one group here that needs advocating for, and there's one that doesn't.
	Can you, which one?
	Women.
	I think, I disagree.
	Men absolutely need to be advocated for.
	In certain areas, yes.
	But feminism also supports men.
	No, it doesn't.
	It does.
	No, it doesn't.
	It's about dismantling toxic masculinity, which hurts men just as much as it hurts women.
	There is no such thing as toxic masculinity.
	There's just a lot of people.
	You're right, it's just called masculinity.
	Whoa.
	Oh.
	no there's there's just there's toxic people there's no such thing as there's absolutely toxic Is there such thing as toxic femininity?
	Yes, absolutely.
	God, I don't see the point in making it a gendered term.
	People are just toxic.
	There's egalitarianism and then there's equity.
	Sorry, you were talking.
	No, go for it.
	I like that.
	Please, please go for it.
	Yeah, there's like egalitarians, it's like everybody, say you have like a one-foot tall person, a two-foot-tall person, and a three-foot-tall person, and you give them all the same size box to see a baseball game over a fence.
	I'm taking this from an image macro, so I know what you're talking about.
	Equity is everyone gets boxes high enough to see over the fence.
	I mean, that's reducing a very complex.
	Egalitarianism is everyone gets the same size box.
	I mean, I know the image you're talking about, that's reducing a very complex issue to a very sort of base level.
	But it doesn't, is it wrong?
	Because that's what egalitarianism is.
	Well, you're talking about equity.
	So there's equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.
	So I don't believe in equality of outcome, but I do believe in equality of opportunity.
	So equality of outcome would be, equality of outcome is you just, you set up society so everyone gets the same outcome, but that doesn't take into consideration that people have different personality traits and they have different competency.
	So equality of outcome is frankly impossible.
	That's very true.
	But on average, men aren't dying because they can't get life-saving medical procedures.
	Actually, men aren't dying because they're...
	They can't get life-saving medical procedures.
	Are...
	Well, are we talking about COVID?
	Because actually men were more impacted by the people.
	No, we're talking about abortion.
	Roe v. Wade.
	Oh, we're talking about Roe v. Well, men don't have any reproductive rights to begin with.
	So he's got it.
	They do.
	we don't have to talk about abortion um i'm i'm well okay i'm not gonna go in there But hot putting an issue.
	So.
	next question no we can no it's good It's good.
	It's fun for the viewers.
	It's a good debate.
	Wait, so you said that men don't need advocacy.
	No, I didn't say men don't need advocacy.
	They don't need as much.
	I think men actually need more advocacy.
	Hot take.
	That's a hot take.
	I'm because like men's mental health has been men's mental health has been but that's because of again toxic masculinity which is pushing down your emotions there's There's no such thing as toxic masculine.
	I was raised as the son in my family, which is an toxic son.
	But I don't see the point in gendering these terms.
	I mean, why not just call toxic behavior toxic behavior?
	Why?
	Because toxic masculinity is going to be a divisive masculinity isn't wonderful.
	No, it's not specific to men.
	Masculine and feminine behaviors aren't necessarily specific to the gender you would think they would be assigned to.
	And those minds, like I know plenty of like old school women who are like, women should be in the kitchen and men should be the breadwinners, whatever.
	And that's also a toxically masculine behavior.
	So traditional gender norms, you think that's toxic?
	I don't think so.
	To an ex like, depends on how hardline you are about enforcing them.
	Yeah.
	I don't.
	Enforcing them.
	I don't think they should be enforced.
	I think women should absolutely have the choice if they want to work and pursue a career.
	Absolutely.
	But if a woman also wants to be a housewife, I don't think that should be shamed either.
	Yeah, no, neither should be shame.
	But there are, I have plenty of friends with mother-in-laws from hell who.
	What's that have to do with?
	Because they're the ones who, like, they have, my friends have careers.
	They're women with careers and jobs and like they do that and they like hire a nanny or sometimes their husband stays at home and he's a stay-at-home dad.
	And their mother-in-laws are just nightmares about it, shaming their sons for staying home and taking care of their children, calling it babysitting.
	Raising your own kid is not babysitting.
	And then shaming the mothers for working.
	That is also a toxically masculine trait.
	But what does masculinity have to do with it?
	Can't it just be toxic?
	I mean, it could, but you'd be just ignoring the definitions of most socio-political terms.
	That's just toxic.
	Like that mother-in-law is just toxic, straight toxic.
	Whether she's a female or a male, just toxic.
	There is such thing as toxic femininity, just not in this example that you're setting up for her.
	So I feel like you're putting her in a poor straw man position.
	It's like toxic femininity.
	I think of like the vixen, the woman who uses sex specifically just to like, or very feminine features to like be a damsel in distress, to like get like men or money or certain things like that.
	And like toxic masculinity where it's like, you know, like the gym boy, the testosterone, the we need to play football, we need to do all that.
	I don't think that's toxic.
	I mean, it can be though.
	Can you agree to a certain extent?
	Because it's all in a different way.
	The guy wanting to play football is toxic.
	Can I give an example how that could be toxic?
	I'm just curious, how could that be toxic?
	Well, I'm saying in their own levels, like a man just being like, I need to be in this male position because like I'm a man, so I need to be strong and I need to be buff and I need to be into these very male things to prove my masculinity.
	That's toxic.
	I think that's admirable.
	I don't think that's toxic.
	I think that that's just like, you know, like males have these traits and maybe, you know, like, I don't know.
	Personally, I don't think that's toxic.
	That could have just been how they've grown up.
	Like, their dad is just like, oh, you have to do this, this, and this.
	That could be something they're super into.
	I have a lot of guy friends.
	I have a lot of football friends who are super into that.
	And that's kind of how their life is because that's the future that they see for themselves.
	They want to go D1.
	They want to do all this stuff.
	And that is what their life surrounds themselves as because that is their future.
	I get that.
	You know, just like my future is like this.
	So I surround myself around this.
	I don't necessarily see that as toxic.
	They can go about it in a toxic way, absolutely.
	But I don't see that as toxic.
	What about what we were saying, like, earlier with mental health?
	How, like, men, like...
	Oh, yeah, men's mental health is a lot.
	Like, I don't know statistics, but like women's mental health is taken care of much more than men's for a reason I don't understand.
	And I think a lot of it is because, again, the word toxic masculinity is like to be exactly.
	Men don't.
	And again, I have a lot of guy friends, but they don't feel the need.
	Like when they have issues, it takes a while to get them to open up about it because men feel like they can't open up about it.
	And when they do open up about it to their other guy friends, it takes a minute and they don't even open up about it to like, oh, I'm struggling with this, this, and this.
	They're just like, yeah, man, rough day.
	Like, that's it.
	So men's mental health is a lot lower talked about than females.
	And it's really hard on them.
	Isn't it like, and again, I don't know the stats, but isn't it like men's suicide is a higher rating than women?
	Men's successful suicide attempts are much higher than women.
	However, women do attempt suicide much more than men, and that's because men tend to choose things like guns and knives, whereas women tend to choose things like pills.
	I don't know if that makes a difference.
	I got my master's in psychology.
	Okay, so this I'm not arguing that.
	I'm just saying like I don't think that's a good idea.
	Pills scale a lot more than a gun does.
	Okay, so I'm just going to come in really quick.
	So just on this topic, so I'm not entirely sure if that's actually true.
	So as far as women attempt suicide more, I'm not even sure if that's true.
	Men certainly commit suicide more.
	I believe 80%.
	The vast majority of suicides are committed by men.
	The vast majority of homeless are men.
	The vast majority of workplace deaths are men.
	The vast majority of military deaths are men.
	I mean, there's ways in which both men and women are disadvantaged.
	But I mean, to say that there's one group that needs no advocacy and another group that needs a bunch of advocacy, I think you can make a very strong argument that it's actually, in today's day and age, men actually need more advocacy.
	There's more women going to college, for example.
	That's another one.
	That's a choice.
	Men aren't supportive as much, too.
	Keep in mind.
	But wait, so hold on, just so I'm clear.
	When it comes to university, back when there was an underrepresentation of women in university, it was the patriarchy and sexism.
	But now that there's more women in college, it's just men's choices.
	Well, what are the men doing?
	Are they going to trade school?
	That's a perfectly respectable thing.
	In fact, I personally, as a person who went into a graduate level education, think that trade school is much more respectable than a college education in most instances.
	You're making more money, you're not drowning in debt, and you have a job that's actually useful.
	And you're not working retail to pay off a master's degree.
	My degree has nothing to do with what I do.
	Again, I am a software tester, and I got my degree in psychology.
	I want to just open this up to the other people on the panel if they want to come in on anything.
	Kayla, do you have any take on this?
	About masculinity.
	Just what we've been talking about.
	I have a few thoughts on toxic masculinity, and I think that...
	You mean it doesn't exist?
	I think, oh, sorry.
	I think that it does exist for certain people.
	For example, if we have, so growing up in Texas, there's a lot of a man should do this and a woman should do that.
	And while I personally stand by gender norms, I like them for my relationships.
	I don't believe everyone should be that way, but I have seen people be raised by men who say you have to do this, you have to do that, and their kids turn out very depressed because, you know, maybe you have a child who's transgender and they feel they cannot be that way because of the norms pushed onto them.
	That's just how I feel about that.
	I don't think it applies to everyone though.
	I mean, it's a complicated issue, but like, I mean, it's going to be a pretty boring answer, but where I pretty much stand is both sides face so much hardship and like different varying degrees, different ways.
	But like, the hardest part about finding a solution to any of it is literally like conversations being pit against each other.
	Like, oh, one group faces more, one group faces less.
	No, When in reality, it's like, you know, there's toxicity on like femininity and there's toxicity and masculinity.
	But I think toxicity knows no gender.
	Yeah, I think it's a good idea.
	Men can be toxic.
	Women can be toxic.
	Dogs can be toxic.
	This dog's good, though.
	This dog's chilling.
	But let me just finish this thought here.
	So, but actually, go ahead.
	Can I turn my attention to the comment who thinks this incredibly cheap wig is real hair?
	Bro, get it together, please.
	Maybe it's just, it might be a very convincing wig, you know?
	It's $20 for Amazon.
	Very convincing.
	Okay.
	Gabby, do you have a take on this?
	I agree with her.
	Like, every, I mean, both genders have like their hardships.
	So, yeah.
	I mean, I'm also.
	Honestly, I think the whole war between the genders is a psyop.
	I think it's a psyop.
	If you turn men against women, blacks against whites, Democrats against Republicans, gay people against straight people, then you start ignoring the one that really matters, which is class.
	So I think class is kind of just a, that's why you have major corporations, Amazon, pretty much every single corporation is buying into all the woke stuff because it's very token.
	It's very easy, and it keeps people divided.
	But then you have Amazon, which they'll paint an airplane rainbow, but as soon as you try to unionize, you try to start a union, they're going to bust that shit up.
	So trying to unionize is pretty much the most left-leaning thing you can do.
	But anyways, I'm kind of derailing that into a political conversation.
	I'll sign off on that.
	I co-signed that.
	It's a psyop, actually.
	It's 100% a psyop.
	Absolutely.
	Start dividing people, and then there's not going to be class unity between the poor.
	I'll say this, and this might be controversial.
	I think that a poor woman and a poor man have far more in common than does a rich woman, than a rich woman has with a poor woman.
	You're absolutely right.
	So I think it's a psyop.
	I think it's just keeping us distracted.
	Anyways, I'm getting almost conspiracy theory here.
	We'll bring it back.
	So, okay.
	Where was I?
	What were we talking about?
	Started with feminism.
	Yeah, it started with feminism.
	Now we're at psyops.
	Oh, right.
	Okay, we're talking a bit about feminism.
	So I kind of like what you said, though, about bringing up how people were raised differently.
	Like in my family, I was raised.
	I have a younger sister and a younger brother, and me and my sister would be painting our nails, and my little brother wanted to paint his nails.
	And my mom's like, okay.
	Sorry.
	And then we were always raised like my parents, like from a young age, my parents didn't care.
	Like, we don't care if you're gay, straight, whatever.
	As long as you're a good person and nice human, we don't care.
	And that made a huge difference for us growing up.
	Like my little brother always had the same opportunities, like painting nails.
	Like we dyed our hair and he dyed his hair pink with us.
	You know, like I think it doesn't.
	Yeah, I think it definitely does like make a difference mentally where you come from as well.
	Definitely.
	Word?
	Okay, Chris, can you pull up the Twitch?
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	Brian, last thing.
	When's the next show so that I can dismantle the next pack of females?
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	No bullspit.
	No bullspit with a $5 super chat.
	Hey, man, thank you.
	Much appreciated.
	Men never open up because no one actually cares.
	And if they do open up to someone, they're looked as weak or will be used against them in the future.
	Facts.
	Okay.
	Go to therapy.
	No bullspit.
	You guys want to go around the panel really quick on this one?
	Thoughts on this one?
	Yeah, go to therapy.
	He needs therapy or just go to therapy?
	Just if you think that you're going to be looked down upon or it's going to be used against you, go to therapy.
	You have doctor-patient confidentiality.
	And they don't.
	Well, okay, there are bad therapists out there.
	I'm not going to lie and pretend there's not.
	I've had plenty.
	But like, yeah, like find a therapist that works for you.
	They won't look down on you.
	I know it's a huge fear for men that you will be seen as weak and will be looked down upon if you express your feelings.
	Women have a lot of similar insecurities they deal with.
	And eventually, as you get older, you do the thing you're afraid to do.
	Like, and no bullspits example, like express your feelings.
	And it turns out more often than not, if you are around someone who you trust, it's going to turn out okay.
	My therapist is also the crackhead at 7-Eleven, Chris.
	It's okay.
	Damn, savage.
	I mean.
	I don't necessarily agree that the straightforward answer is, oh, just go to therapy because a lot of people cannot afford a therapy or it just doesn't really work with them.
	We'll go to 7-Eleven.
	If you tell a guy, hey, just go to therapy.
	It either doesn't work with them or they cannot afford it.
	There's a lot of financial hardships that go with it.
	Also, I don't think men, like when they have opened up to their partner, that shit doesn't go good.
	What do you mean, go good?
	And that's toxic femininity.
	We have an example.
	Toxic femininity?
	Yeah.
	What do you mean?
	Like a woman telling a man.
	Yeah, like thinking you're weak for expressing your emotions.
	If you're a woman and you think your partner's weak for having feelings, you suck.
	Just if you're anyone and you feel like your partner's weak for having feelings, like it's hard opening up to someone, especially like in a new relationship, being like, hey, babe, like this is my situation.
	Like I remember in my last relationship, my first time having a panic attack.
	That was really hard to try and be like, oh, yeah, by the way, this is my situation.
	Like it's hard opening up in general.
	And even more so for guys, like how he said, like they have this fear of having to be like masculine and have to have like kind of like hold down the fort.
	Like it's really hard for guys.
	More so than women, I feel like personally.
	Because when we're with our girlfriends, we talk about it all the time when they're with their guys.
	They don't talk about that type of stuff.
	They feel like, you know, they don't.
	And women are more allowed to be emotional.
	That's what people have painted us as is emotional creatures.
	And that in the comments, they said if you are a cobbler in the military and your employer finds out you lose your job, that is true.
	If a cop goes to therapy for what he has seen, he will lose his job.
	That's not actually true.
	My brother is a police officer.
	I'm in a military family.
	Wait, your brother's a police officer?
	Yes.
	In Texas.
	Okay.
	And so the laws may be different versus, you know, but I do know that the police force does have an issue with that.
	I have a question because sometimes after, like, if there's a use of force incident, like a shooting, don't they sometimes offer the police officer to?
	They offer therapy, but then they also can say that you are not allowed to work for a certain amount of time and things like that.
	Like you can no longer go on those types of jobs.
	Like you can't respond to those things anymore.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	And I don't know if it's like that across the United States, but I would assume that.
	Yeah, it might vary from state to state and department to department.
	Christy, did you have anything?
	About which subject?
	Yeah, which men go into therapy.
	The super chat.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, like men never open up this one.
	Well, I feel like a lot of people go through that.
	Like, they think that opening up is like weak, and it is more accepted for girls to do that, but that's the case of like, I don't really use toxic masculinity, toxic, like femininity, but it just like boils down to toxic, older gender norms and stuff like that as an overall, like, oh, like, you know, women are more emotional, which may be true, but men aren't allowed to be emotional and whatever.
	But it literally just boils down to like both sides perpetrating like this stereotype, like a toxic woman being like, no, you can't.
	But a lot of people blame it on our hormones, too.
	Like they make jokes about like, oh, it must be her time of the month.
	But then like men don't have those kind of jokes available.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Kind of?
	Like, it's stupid.
	They don't have a scapegoat.
	No, they don't.
	It's like, oh, yeah, it's my time.
	You know, you can't do that.
	But when it's us, like, yeah.
	Well, I mean, it is 2022.
	I mean, that's true.
	Apparently, men can get pregnant.
	Two each their own.
	That's news to me.
	Okay.
	So, Hensley, did you want to come in on this?
	No.
	Yeah, I mean, honestly, my advice to guys is if you have a girlfriend, like, I don't know.
	She wants to don't share your problems with your girlfriend because it's just not.
	I mean, I disagree.
	I don't think you're not with the right person if you can't share your problems with them.
	Exactly.
	And I think it opens up the dialogue to where they feel more comfortable sharing with you.
	They're going to lose.
	Honestly, they're going to lose attraction for you.
	No.
	No.
	Maybe.
	If they lose attraction for you for having feelings, they are not the one.
	Cut them off.
	But also talk to your homies more.
	Give bro-hugs.
	Here's the thing, like men don't often share their feelings because they end up just not all the time, but they end up just upsetting their girlfriend, wife, whatever.
	And then they're left to console their girlfriend or wife on her feelings because of how his feelings made her feel.
	Wrap your head around that one.
	I completely understand what you say because I used to be that type of girlfriend.
	Like if my boyfriend's upset, obviously I did something wrong.
	Oh my God, they're upset because I'm not doing enough or whatever.
	But that just comes from growing as a person and growing in a relationship.
	But you have to learn that like, you know, it's not my fault they're feeling this way and stuff like that.
	And that's just like growth as a person.
	I don't know, for me, with like the last guy that I was seeing, I got frustrated because he wouldn't open up to me about stuff.
	And I could tell that he was seriously going through it, but he wouldn't talk to me.
	And then once he finally did talk to me about stuff, it almost like opened up like a new door of like trust and attraction because he felt comfortable talking to me.
	Yeah, that's where I was.
	I want to ask Gabby.
	What do you think, Gabby?
	I definitely believe that a guy should be able to talk to their girl about their feelings.
	And if not, if she doesn't really accept it or she turns it like on herself and feels bad about it, then she's not the one.
	Can I ask you a quick?
	I want to go around the table on this because it's kind of related.
	If you were dating a guy and somehow he got into a fight with someone else, say another guy, and you saw him get his fucking ass whooped.
	Is that going to be a turnoff for you?
	That happened.
	Definitely not.
	My most recent ex got jumped and he broke his jaw or his jaw got broken by like five guys.
	Holy shit.
	Jesus.
	And this is when we were first initially talking.
	Can we get a do you want like a little story?
	Quick story, quick story.
	It was Halloween and we weren't paying attention to the guys whose house it was and we brought hella guys and then we were leaving.
	They got mad, threw rocks at the car.
	The guys in the car got mad and then like it was like 10 guys on like four of my friends.
	And so your ex-boyfriend got his jaw smashed.
	Yeah, but this was when we were still in the talking phase.
	Like we weren't even like official or anything.
	And like it was like I met his parents like literally earlier that day and I'm like calling him at the hospital.
	I'm like, hey.
	You met his parents because of the fight?
	No, before earlier in that day, I like went to his house for the first time and I was been hanging out how much?
	Like three months.
	Oh, okay, okay, fine.
	And it was like a friend group.
	It was like high school, you know?
	Right.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	But and then I was like with him through all his recovery and he was like, you know, you can like, I know we're just hooking up.
	You can like leave if you want.
	I totally understand.
	Like we're still friends.
	It's cool.
	And I was kind of like, eh, I like stick around.
	Like, you can't really talk or anything.
	So just hang out.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Can we get an F in the chat for her ex-boyfriend?
	Yeah, sorry about it.
	She scraped his jaw.
	Jesus.
	Kayla, you had something?
	Mm-hmm.
	It actually happened in Isla Vista.
	Oh my god.
	So Isla Vista, dangerous place.
	Del Playa.
	We were there for a party and he lived there at the time.
	And so there was a party going on.
	They had a barricade, whatever.
	And so we're just trying to get up to his apartment.
	And we're like, hey, we need to get up to the apartment.
	And I was like, he lives here.
	And they were like, every bitch says that.
	And I was like, no, like, he lives here.
	Like, we can show you proof if you need that.
	But this is his house.
	Like, you shouldn't need that.
	And so I'm kind of like yelling at the guy.
	Like, I'm getting a little bit loud.
	And the guy at the barricade pushed me and called me a bitch.
	And so my boyfriend at the time punched him across the face and then got like, I don't, how many, how many people were there?
	It was like five guys.
	It was like five guys that weren't.
	So you got pushed.
	He punched the guy and then they jumped him.
	Right.
	I actually had that same situation, kind of.
	Not like a boyfriend, but it was just like a random fat guy that was like protective of me and it was really a random fat guy?
	Frat.
	No, it was at my own house.
	What's him being fat has to do with okay?
	No, it was at my own, it was at my own house on Deltopia.
	Well, because some guy was getting a Gabby protective of you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he was trying to get some.
	No.
	White Knight.
	No, like I was like trying to get out of my own house and like a guy was like getting mouthy and I like, he kind of got aggressive and I like pushed him back and then he literally, like this guy hit me in the face.
	Like he slapped my face and I was like, and I was like ready to like push back and then this guy, one of the fat guys was like, yo, and like grabbed him through my head like, you don't do that to a female.
	And I was like, it was kind of.
	Like I appreciated that because you know like I shouldn't have to like as a female like you don't hit in the face too.
	I was like that threw me back and then before I could do anything he handled it and I was like, I don't even know what the guy's name still.
	Wait, so Kayla, the guy who you were dating him for a bit?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We were dating for like a year?
	No, it was like eight months at that time.
	Okay.
	And he was coming to your defense.
	I feel like that's maybe.
	Right.
	Did I lose a track?
	He got his ass kicked, right?
	Yes.
	Badly.
	Yes.
	It wasn't a fair fight.
	Ah, maybe that's.
	Yeah, and it was like that.
	There's still like blood on the side.
	Yeah, the sidewalk saws like his blood on it.
	It's so gross.
	Is this recent?
	No, it was like a year ago.
	I know you didn't get it recorded.
	No, it was like six months ago.
	Yeah.
	Hensley?
	It's a turn off for me, I gotta say.
	If you see your guy get his ass kicked.
	Yeah.
	It's a turnoff.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's kind of what I was suggesting.
	Yeah.
	Gabby?
	I already answered this, but no, it's not a turnoff.
	Not a turnoff.
	We'd both be swinging together.
	So like if we're going down, it's a bonding activity.
	If the guy started, I like that.
	I like that.
	My roommate and I got into a tripod where the seven.
	I mean, the guy's like walking all up.
	He's like, I'm going to get your ass out of nowhere.
	And then it gets ass kicked.
	Then it's like, that's pretty gross.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	But if it's unprompted, or if it's like, he didn't prompt it, then like whatever.
	Is that all the super chats?
	I think there's just one from Stephen Krug.
	Stephen Krug with the $5 super chat.
	Good to see you again, man.
	Thank you for tuning in.
	Dogs are too good for humans.
	That's true.
	Facts.
	Facts.
	All right.
	Let's actually, before we pull up the clip, our little ending clip here, I want to open it up to you guys if you have a final thought or a question either for me or for someone else on the panel or the panel.
	Why don't we start with you if you want to final thought or question?
	I've never had a thought in my life.
	Thank you.
	Facts.
	Okay.
	I want to ask you who should initiate?
	Going back to our initial question.
	Who should initiate?
	Because I don't think you answered that.
	Who should initiate?
	I think it would be great if women initiated.
	I would invite it.
	But it's very rare.
	I think if you were to ask most men, they'd maybe been hit on once, twice.
	The guy's really exceptionally attractive, maybe more.
	But I mean, I would say even an average girl is running circles around even like a top-tier guy in terms of the attention that they're getting from the opposite sex.
	So, I mean, who should initiate?
	Probably, I mean, if you want to live in reality, I mean, men have to initiate.
	So probably men should initiate if they want to get any.
	Because if men don't initiate, if they don't make the first move, then they're never going to get any.
	Most men, you take most men, you put them in the nightclub, you put them in a party, you put them in the bar.
	They'll stand there the entire night, and not one person will come up and talk to them.
	They will stand there alone the entire night.
	You put a girl, even an average-looking girl, someone's, she's going to get attention.
	A guy's going to approach her.
	So as a guy, you have to.
	If you don't, that's the end of your gene pool, buddy.
	So, yeah, I mean, we just, men just have to live in reality.
	We have to take initiative.
	So, who should initiate?
	Probably men, because if you're a man and your expectation is, I'm going to wait for a girl to initiate.
	If you think women should initiate, you're going to be very lonely.
	So, that's my take.
	I had a thought.
	It flew.
	Final thought or question?
	Do you want me to come back to you?
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	Sydney?
	How many girls have initiated with you?
	How many girls have initiated with me?
	Because you said, like, an average guy gets like maybe one or two, but like for you.
	I consider myself fairly average.
	No, I'm just asking.
	I'm just asking.
	Six.
	You went to UCSB, right?
	6.9, no.
	You didn't?
	No.
	I thought you did.
	Okay, never mind.
	Yeah, we had a class maybe together.
	No, probably not.
	Probably not.
	I was going to say, how many girls have came up to you at a party here?
	Well, I don't really party.
	Okay.
	But how many guys have to do that?
	Occasionally I'd party, but I don't go to bars and clubs.
	Okay.
	I did a little bit when I was younger.
	How many girls have come up to me?
	And like initiated that first move.
	Okay, so of the times I've been to bars or nightclubs, I went a little bit when I was younger, maybe a couple dozen times.
	I feel like that's kind of a lot.
	At a bar or club, at all, in general.
	Never.
	And I've been probably a couple dozen times to a bar or club.
	Never been initiated on.
	Instagram DMs.
	That doesn't count.
	Well, I mean, it's very low.
	And also, I'm out there on social media too, so you'd think it'd actually be higher.
	I've had two or three girls in the 10 years I've been doing social media DM me.
	No way.
	10.
	Or sorry.
	Yeah, 10 years, two or three girls.
	And not in Santa Barbara either.
	Some chicken Chicago, a chick in Montreal, like Canada or some shit, and one chick in Oregon.
	So it's rough as a dude.
	Like, girls really aren't, unless you're like really good looking or your social status is, you know, you got serious clout.
	Yeah, girls just really aren't initiating like that.
	And then I'm trying to think on dating apps, a little bit higher.
	I do get it a little more girls that will initiate on dating apps.
	But you'll see your channel on dating apps.
	Do I put my channel?
	Like whatever.
	Yeah.
	I don't put my link.
	I mention like if it asks if there's an occupation field, I'll say that I'm a content creator or I do social media or I'm a YouTuber.
	But I don't put my link.
	I'll put my Instagram in my stuff.
	So yeah.
	Honestly, I don't think I want women looking at my content.
	Just because I don't know.
	I'd rather meet a girl and have her judge me in person than my persona that I've created online.
	So yeah.
	But dating apps, definitely I would say a little bit more, but like on Hinge, fuck.
	I'll get maybe one like a week, maybe one like a week.
	But I'm sending likes out and I'll get a decent amount of matches when I'm initiating on Hinge.
	But them liking me first, it's one week.
	So, yeah.
	Tinder, and okay, I haven't been on Tinder in a long time.
	On Tinder, probably like occasionally, they might message first if we match, but mostly I would have to message first.
	So my experience has been overwhelmingly like, I have to initiate.
	So that's been my experience.
	Does that adequately answer your question?
	Okay, Christy?
	I don't have any questions.
	Nothing?
	No final thoughts?
	I can't think of right now.
	Okay.
	Me neither.
	Nothing.
	Oh, man.
	Hensley, back to you.
	All right.
	Really quick, Chris.
	Why don't you, guys, we're going to wrap up in five minutes if you want to do a last-minute super chat?
	Chris, can you pull up Twitch again?
	Let's see if we got any people who got to shout out.
	Oh, look at, oh, shit.
	Look at that.
	Leo Skips.
	Thank you for the follow, and also thank you for the.
	Did you sub twice?
	He unsubscribed just so he could subscribe again.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Leo Skips, man.
	Thank you for the Twitch Prime sub.
	Much appreciated, man.
	Really appreciate the support.
	By the way, guys, we are streaming live on Twitch, twitch.tv/slash/whatever.
	If you want to head on over there, even if you don't have a Twitch Prime sub available, just give us a follow.
	By the way, the quality of the stream is better on Twitch than it is on YouTube.
	So check it out there, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Chris, can you attempt?
	By the way, guys in chat, we've had some issues when we were trying to play or react to a video.
	It's been stuttering, it's been stuttering, there's been lag.
	So we're going to be trying a new way to play a video.
	And I'm just realizing we should have zoomed this camera in a bit more because it could definitely be a bit tighter.
	But, anyways, that's something for next time.
	We're going to try to play this.
	Can you guys, when the video is playing, if it is lagging or stuttering, one in chat, if it's lagging or stuttering.
	All right, Chris, go ahead and play it.
	All right.
	Do I come over here to you?
	You go to the window.
	You go to window.
	Over here?
	It's in the window mode.
	And then I think, yep.
	And then, oh, you got to start from the beginning and then press play.
	Okay, before you play it, girls, we're going to have you react to this clip.
	This is our little, you know, fun little clip just to end the show.
	Go ahead, Chris.
	Here's your question.
	Here's a question.
	Here's a serious question.
	Okay, ladies, if you didn't have a vagina, like say it was a terrible train accident, right?
	And the doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away or you're going to die.
	How would you keep your man past?
	You get a two-month guilty, I can't leave the bitch right away because you just lost a pussy in a train accident.
	Can't just walk right out on him.
	How would you keep your man past that if you didn't have a vagina?
	Pause it.
	Okay, we're going to go around the table.
	Why don't you bring it back, Chris?
	Kayla?
	You know, I've never thought about that.
	I've never even considered that.
	But now that I'm thinking, I would hope that in the event that that happened, I was married or something.
	So I could pull the like, you married me because you loved me, right?
	You know what I mean?
	I think that's what I would pull.
	And if he left, whatever.
	But he was asking, what would you do to keep your man?
	What are some things, given the circumstances, terrible train accidents?
	Is that my period?
	But are there certain things?
	Because, okay, intercourse is off the table.
	That's off the table.
	But I'm still amazing.
	Sure, of course.
	Yeah.
	We know that.
	That's been established throughout the show.
	But are there things that you would do?
	Maybe you change flowers.
	Okay, Christy.
	Like, maybe he got into a train accident after me, just out of the blue.
	And he lost his penis.
	Yeah.
	Like, a hand for a hand, you know?
	So there's just.
	Okay.
	The dog is going up the stairs.
	Can you call him back?
	So, okay.
	But do you want to actually answer that question?
	Oh, I actually don't know.
	I literally have not thought about this.
	Like, maybe, like.
	Okay, Sydney, go ahead.
	I don't even know how to answer this, honestly.
	I have no commentary on this.
	I mean.
	Give us something.
	I mean, there's other ways to like she said, flowers, or like there's other ways to show love your partner.
	And that's how I'm gonna end that.
	Hensley.
	He could fuck other people, but also we would have to get in like an exotic animal together.
	I mean, because there's no STDs that way, though, too.
	No?
	No, I'd be chilling.
	I'd be like, yeah, you go have fun.
	Come back and give me cuddles.
	I mean, take care of our pet tiger.
	Yeah, I kind of like that.
	Got it.
	Sex is not what makes up an entire relationship, but I do agree that it is an important part of a relationship.
	So I would try to do my best to still please him without a vagina.
	But yeah.
	And when you say please him, like blowjob.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	One, I didn't buy the strap on harness for decoration.
	Wait, repeat that.
	I didn't buy the strap on harness for decoration.
	Nor did I buy the custom dual density silicone phallus that goes with it for decoration.
	Two, there's two holes.
	So now we're just on an equal playing field.
	That is so cheap.
	That was a lot of detail.
	That was a lot of detail.
	I like that so much.
	Oh, that's okay.
	Fuck.
	Okay.
	Chris, why don't you play the rest of the clip?
	Yeah, they definitely did not take the bait on this one.
	Was there baby total beat?
	Wow.
	Nothing?
	You can talk.
	You can talk.
	Suck his dick.
	Okay.
	Mouth.
	Oh.
	Asshole.
	Okay, great.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	Now, I've been getting pussy beam the whole show, right?
	But I give women an opportunity to say, I'm going to make myself worth more.
	But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
	But, but, you know, I'm.
	I'm supposed to teach you special, but you're just a bunch of holes to yourself.
	No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play pool, tell better stories, get another bitch that got a pussy to come on in.
	Well, look, whatever.
	All right, bring it back.
	Okay, rest in peace, Patrice O'Neal.
	The legend, the goat.
	Rest in peace.
	Okay, yeah, you guys did not take the bait on that one.
	Appa.
	But, okay, so, yeah, that's pretty much it.
	I know you guys kind of didn't have.
	Did you have anything, Hensley?
	Final thought?
	I guess my final thought, if I had to come up with one, is just like, it's kind of funny that men keep their notifications on for dating.
	Appa, come here.
	I would never sleep.
	Like, they're like, oh, I got a match on Tinder.
	I'm like.
	At 2 a.m.
	They're like, wow.
	That's swiping time.
	Wait, do you mean when you're dating them or just in general?
	No, just like guys in general.
	Like, they're always like, they're like, oh, I matched with this girl.
	It's like, and girls match with like 20 guys.
	And they're like, one of these might get a date.
	But like, y'all, if y'all get one match, you're like, you're planning the date.
	You're planning the wedding.
	You're like already asking for information.
	Wow.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	And did you guys final thought?
	I don't think.
	My brain is like off right now.
	Yeah, we're.
	Okay, got it.
	I will say, for emotions and not talking about it with your girlfriends, it's because us guys save it for the locker room.
	I will say that.
	That's what Locker Room Talk's all about.
	Yeah.
	Word.
	Word?
	Okay, cool.
	So we're going to wrap up.
	Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been doing anything else, but you're here with me.
	Appreciate that.
	We will be live again Tuesday at 7 p.m., potentially maybe Sunday, if I can wrangle an interview.
	So yeah, we'll be live again with The Dating Show Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
	I want to thank the lovely panel for coming and giving their deep philosophical insights on the topics of dating and relationships.
	Thank you guys for watching.
	And Chris, if you want to go wide here.
	And we will see you next time.
	All right.

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