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Every Tuesday and Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific, I'm your host, Brian Atlas, the most publicly rejected man in the history of the world.
So I guess who better talk about dating?
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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and relationship status.
Starting with you.
Hi, I'm into the microphone.
Oh, sorry.
Hi, my name's Mary.
I'm 21, and I'm an entertainer at Spearmint Rhino.
And what was the last quote?
Relationship status.
Oh, relationship status?
Complicated.
It's complicated.
It's complicated.
And explain to those who don't know what the spearmint is.
You said an entertainer at the Spearman Rhino.
Can you explain that?
So a stripper at Spearmint Rhino Gentlemen's Club.
And what else?
That's basically it.
It's pretty simple.
Hi, I'm Elena.
To the microphone.
Oh, sorry.
Hi, I'm Elena.
I'm 20 years old, and I am a student at UCSB, and I am currently in a relationship.
Hi, I'm Sydney.
I am 21 years old.
I'm a waitress working on actress and I'm single.
Hi, my name is Reina.
I'm 21.
I'm a student at UCSB and I'm single.
I'm Liv.
I'm 20.
I'm a student at UCSB and I'm single.
I'm Alandra.
I'm 24.
I'm a dental assistant, and I'm single as well.
So, wait, single, Okay, sorry, yeah, relationship, single, single, single.
Okay, got it.
And we're joined again.
Reyna was here last show.
welcome uh did anybody message you from you get some dms Yeah, I got some DMs that, like, they stalked my followers and they were like, how do you know this guy, my friend?
Like, he plays basketball professionally.
Well, because on the last show, you said that your type was six foot four NBA players.
I did not say that.
You're putting words into my mouth.
Maybe I'm misremembering.
I'm not sure if I'm morals.
And I also think another part of my standards is they have to be emotionally intelligent or like at least the same level as me.
Okay.
Yeah.
Got it.
And it sounds like four of you go to UCSB.
Can you just again go through?
Just tell us your major.
I'm currently a psych major with a minor in art.
Remember, guys, up into the microphone, like an inch away from me.
I'm a psychology major.
I'm an acting major.
I'm a stats and data science major.
I'm in cosmetology.
Okay, very cool.
Very cool.
So this is a question I've asked before.
I'm going to ask it again.
Four of you said you were single.
One of you said it was complicated.
So when you say you're single, what precisely do you mean by that?
Are you talking to somebody?
Are you hooking up with somebody?
Have you been celibate for three years?
What do you mean by single?
And Alondra, we'll start with you.
Like single when I want to be, I guess.
Like, you know, there's times where you get lonely and there's other times where you don't even want to talk to men.
So.
What do you do when you get lonely?
Go down the roster.
See who's off.
So you got a roster.
Sometimes it's a little shaky right now.
It's we're looking for some bench warmers.
Okay.
I like that.
I like that.
So how many do you currently have on the roster?
Pretty cool.
No good ones, so zero.
Zero.
Okay, zero on the roster.
Okay.
When was your like last term or last long-term relationship?
2019?
So what's that now?
Two, three years?
Before COVID.
Yeah, right before COVID, yeah.
Okay.
Got it.
I'm single like just recently, well, a couple months out of a relationship.
I'd say like three or four months.
I'm just taking it slow, finishing my school, seeing what happens kind of thing.
I don't know.
When's the last time you hooked up with somebody?
Probably like.
Tuesday.
No, not Tuesday.
I don't know.
A couple weeks ago, I guess.
Okay.
Fair enough.
I feel like I already said this.
Well, yeah, but we got new people.
Okay.
Being single means that I'm not dating anyone right now.
Like I could be talking to people, but I'm not like committing myself to one person.
Yeah, I mean, I'm single.
I like what she said, single when I want to be, but I have no one on my roster, not talking to anyone, kind of just doing me right now.
Okay.
Rock and roll.
And so why is it complicated?
Okay, so it's complicated because, I mean, like, I've been seeing this.
Into the microphone, please.
Sorry.
Okay, complicated, like, not in like a tricky term, like a negative connotation.
Like, complicated as in, like, he does music, so he's on tour right now.
So he's gone, just got out of a relationship, and I'm like, I love my freedom.
So we're seeing each other, I would say.
So I guess single, but also like, I'm a pretty loyal person.
So like complicated because I'm like, I've committed myself to a person, but like, I don't know.
It's like, it's pretty like loosey-goosey.
Like, it's not, I'm not, like, hooking up with anybody else by like complicated.
Does that make sense?
So you said you're kind of committed to him, but he's not committed to you.
Is that what you're saying?
No, like, I would say he is.
Like, he's a really nice guy.
Okay.
Like, we're.
Is he a musician?
Yeah, he is.
Okay.
Rock, rap.
So he's actually on tour right now with Revolution.
They're a reggae group.
Do you know that?
All right.
They're going to find out who it is probably.
Oh, okay.
Well, whatever.
On tour with Revolution.
I know Revolution, though.
They're a local band.
So it's a reggae band, but the band he's currently in, he like plays guitar.
Oh, sorry.
Oops.
They're saying way too much.
Whatever.
But it's like an alternative reggae.
Do you want to share his social security number while you're at it?
Yeah, actually, I do.
And 000.
Just kidding.
His mother's maiden name.
Yeah, I don't know that one.
So that's why it's still complicated.
Got it.
And he's cool with you working at, did he meet you at the club at the Spearmint?
Okay, so yes, but it was through like these older guys that come in and he was like their son's friend.
So he didn't like participate in the usual club activities.
He was like really chill.
And I ended up just like kind of like hanging out with him outside of the club.
So we did meet in the club, but I got to know him outside of the club rather than like get a dance and be like, hey, where are you from?
What's up?
Isn't it a pretty common thing that women who are strippers, typically they don't date customers?
But it doesn't sound like he was quite a customer.
Yeah.
He was just like a tag-along buddy.
Definitely don't date customers because like the people that come in there are, you know, they already have an idea of the girls that are working.
So basically, it's just, it will never be the outcome that you want it to be.
You're never going to find really a husband in the club that's come and seen your goodies before like getting to know you.
And just for those watching, the Spearmint Rhino, it's full nudity.
So when you say goodies, it's all goodies.
It is every single goodies, like all of them.
All the goodies.
The cookie, everything.
Chocolate chips, everything.
Okay.
Have you ever dated a customer?
I actually have not dated a customer.
But it's recommended, it sounds like from what I've heard, to avoid a lot of girls working in the club, they don't want to.
It's happened before, but I would say like those dating terms are more of like a sugar daddy type thing.
Have you done that?
I've had sugar daddies, but it's definitely you have to be very aware of yourself and protect yourself in those type of relationships.
And it's definitely like you present yourself in a different way than you would regularly dating somebody.
Like you're presenting yourself as the persona you are in the club rather than your outside self when you have a sugar relationship.
And how long have you been working at the Spearmint?
So I've been working at the Spearmint for a year, actually now in August.
But prior to that, I danced in my home state and I took a year off.
Where's that?
Colorado.
Colorado.
Yeah.
Okay.
How long have you been, how old are you again?
I'm 21.
21.
And how long?
So have you been dancing since you were 18?
Yeah, I started three days after I was 18.
Okay.
Yeah.
So you were eyeballing it for a bit there.
Well, I was delivering to the strippers.
Let's keep it at that.
Okay, so you're a drug dealer?
Well, no.
What else would you do?
I was delivering goods to strippers underage.
We are not going to say drugs.
No.
Don't say that.
What?
I mean, but yeah, I was familiar with the club scene when I had started.
And after turning 18, they were like, why aren't you just in here making money?
It was like pretty crazy teenager.
So I was like, okay, yeah, why not?
And I honestly love it.
So I took a year off, came to California, went to school, did the whole regular thing, lived with really nice girls, pretended to be really nice.
I am really nice.
Wait, why would you have to be vague about what the delivery is?
Like if you're delivering Uber Eats or DoorDash, you know?
It's okay.
I won't press you because that's fine.
We're just online.
So.
So anyways, we're going to move on to the main topic of today.
And so we're talking about preferences, standards, and boundaries.
When it comes to dating, more specifically, are men allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
But before we get into that specific question, I'm going to ask the panel: I want you to list some preferences or standards that you have when it comes to men.
I want you to list at least three physical traits and at least three personality behavioral traits.
And if you want, you can list more than three for both, but at least three.
Alondra, let's start with you.
Okay, so three physical, three personality, right?
Yeah, three physical or three personality behavioral traits.
Um, I guess physical, taller than me, I'm not too picky on height, but as long as they're taller than me.
How tall are you?
I'm 5'4 and about like 5'7 in heels.
So 5'8?
Yeah, anything above 5'8 and up.
We're gonna go.
Okay.
I like, I'm a dental assistant, so I love teeth.
A nice smile has to have a nice smile.
And I kind of like I'm on the skinnier side.
I like a nice little bird-chested man.
Bird-chested.
Yeah, you like it.
Like really skinny.
Like stick thin.
Not like, well, yeah, kind of.
But you know, there's like there's skinny that goes to the gym and is nice and fit.
That's nice.
But then there's like skinny that's just like, you know, just like machine gun Kelly, kind of.
In a way, yeah, right there.
He's kind of like, yeah, exactly.
So that's kind of like that.
Got it.
Now, personality-wise, I like humble men.
Humble down to earth.
I like goofy men that know how to take jokes and give good jokes because some men take it so far.
And probably a talkative man, because I tend to talk a lot.
So if he can talk more than me, that's always nice.
I like to listen.
I'm a gym rat, or recently a gym rat.
So anybody that works out for me is a plus.
I mean, I would say height, but I've really just learned to go with the personality.
I don't know.
I like dark hair, probably dark hair, and a nice smile helps.
Personality-wise, just I like more than the bare minimum.
Like, I don't want to have to beg you for things like, I don't want to have to beg you for flowers every now and then.
I don't want to have to beg for compliments.
Yeah, and then funny, funny is really a good one.
Yeah.
I feel like I don't have like those types of standards.
Like, yeah, the height that we talked about last time.
I feel like I'd prefer them to be athletic, I guess.
And then like, I don't know, not like physical.
I don't have that type of like type.
Like, I feel like all the guys I talked to are like different, you know?
It's not so much a type, but just like physical.
Preferences.
Preferences, but they have a lot of fun.
So tall.
Athletic.
Fit.
I like when they don't.
They're long.
If you want, you can say it.
No, I like when they have like clean cuticles, if that's random.
That's fine.
Like, I like when they get their hands and feet done.
I don't know.
And then personality.
Like clean, clean.
Yeah, I like clean cuts.
I like them hygiene, like having good hygiene.
And then, what was the other personality?
Yeah, three personality or behavioral traits.
They have to be funny.
They have to be like, how I said earlier, emotionally mature.
And then, yeah, just be able to like talk to me.
Yeah, I don't know.
Okay.
I like, for a personality, definitely goofy.
I like goofy, funnier, for sure.
Someone that I can like just mess around with.
Kind to other people is a big one for me.
I like when they can be like generous to others.
Like open doors, just be nice and general.
And just like smart, you know, be able to have like an intelligent conversation.
Just an overall good person.
Physically, I'm a gym rat, so I like, I've noticed I like a back on, like back, like muscly backs.
I think that's really attractive.
And eyes, I like brown eyes and then a nice smile.
Those are my big ones.
I don't really care about height that much.
Yeah.
Yeah, so physically, I'm not very picky, I guess.
I definitely want them to be taller than me because I'm 5'3.
So that's kind of short already.
Again, like gym would be cool, like tone, fine with that.
I've always been into dark hair guys, kind of like you said.
Personality-wise, kind of like keeping the role going.
I like funny guys.
They gotta have a sense of humor.
Definitely respectable or respectful.
Gotta make sure that I don't know.
I don't really, I'm not very picky.
Respect, okay.
Just respect, basically.
Okay, so we'll start with physical.
I would say, right?
Is that what I said?
Sorry.
Sorry.
Okay.
So I like a guy that has a bit of steez, like good fashion or like their own kind of like swag and their own kind of style, like dressing-wise.
I also like, obviously, a guy that's like taller than you.
I just feel like that's what makes a lady feel feminine is when you can like get wrapped up nicely, look down to occasionally.
And a third, I would say, like nice eyes or like an appealing face.
And okay, personality.
I would say I like a guy who's funny that can like take a joke and also serve jokes, but also like shoot the shit, like be like have a good back and forth.
I like a guy who's like self-aware.
So they're that means like aware of like others, including myself, but that includes like being polite, respectful, but also like self-aware of themselves to where they have like emotional control and understanding.
And then like a third would be like a family friend type of person.
Does that count in like self-awareness?
A what?
A family friend?
A family friend.
No, not like I would hook up with a like no, like a family friend type of person, like involved like with other people.
Well actually wipe that.
I like a person that's independent, that has like their own stuff going on and are like a strong personality.
Like I like a strong personality.
I don't like a timid guy.
Yeah.
There, that's a good one.
Cool.
So really quick straight.
Did any of the girls hear any of the preferences or standards that anyone else listed that you would object to?
You didn't hear anything like objectionable, like, oh, she wants a tall guy.
Terrible.
How terrible?
I don't agree on that.
No, I think.
Okay, cool.
So, similarly to the last question, I want to go around the table, list some preferences or standards that you think men have for women.
I want you to list at least three physical traits and at least three personality behavioral traits.
We'll start with you.
Okay, physically, I'm just gonna like start down the list.
That's how my brain works.
But physically, I feel like everybody wants a pretty or like a hot chick.
So, somebody that's like nice to look at.
Everybody has their preference on what feature is the best.
Like, maybe they have a cute nose or maybe they like their eyebrows.
But I feel like that's one huge standard is like somebody that's attractive.
Maybe.
I don't know.
But second, maybe like a clean girl, like somebody that's clean, like you said, cuticles for a guy.
For a girl, like, maybe they just know that they shower.
It's probably good enough.
Three is a lot for, I can't really.
For what guys want physically, physically, I don't know.
Maybe, like, honestly, this is gonna get raw, but like girl, a big butt or some boobs, one or the other.
Maybe they like a skinny chick, something like that.
So, like, a like a sexual physical trait other than being pretty.
So, that's like tits or ass, or maybe, like, I suppose you could have broken it down into the various physical traits if you wanted to.
I don't know.
I guess.
And then, three, I get, I've heard like maybe a mature lady, like a lot of guys that I know like want like mommy type girlfriends to take care of them.
And then, probably funny and easygoing.
There we go.
We'll keep it short.
So, I pretty much was going to say the exact same thing when it comes to physical traits because I feel like there's not a lot to go around.
It's like big butt or big boob, small waist, like physically fit or like a pretty face type of thing.
There's, I don't really have anything to go off of that, maybe.
More like a, maybe more of a just a girl who like looks feminine, if that makes any sense.
And then, did you say personality?
Personality?
Yeah.
Um, definitely someone who looks or at least seems like she has everything together, if that makes also sense.
Um, what do you mean by that?
Someone has something they know how to go about their life independently, so like an independent woman, and they don't have to rely on other people and kind of like you said to keep like a mommy figure type of thing and look like they can take care of you but also live on their own.
So, the guys want the guys want a girl who can take care of them, yeah.
So, financially, maybe, no, I don't think a lot of I don't like a lot of guys, but I mean, I mean, well, I don't want to explain that.
Well, yeah, so I mean, uh, we'll keep going.
Go ahead, okay.
So, So I've learned, so I work for the city college football team and I do their photography.
So I've learned that they, like, I just get to talk to the guys and I've learned that, you know, some guys like women who are very high maintenance because they like to know that they come from something.
Erroneous!
Erroneous.
Guys like women who are high maintenance.
I've had a few of my friends.
Right.
No.
I've had a few of my friends that have said, like, oh, I like a woman that's high maintenance because that's how I know That's how I know that she comes from something that her family comes from something.
And then I'm like spoiled?
A little bit.
Like one of my friends likes him spoiled and he has a very specific type.
He likes him skinny, like he likes him petite and high maintenance.
And then I have friends that like him.
Is this a football player?
Yes.
He wants to throw her around.
No.
And then I have like one of my very good friends also likes him like more laid back.
Chill likes like a sneakerhead like likes to just like you know just chill and then the other one likes to go raise.
You know what I mean?
Like it's just it depends on the but yeah, and then big butt, but then there's a difference with like petite girl big butt and then like thick big butt.
Of course.
So it's really interesting getting to hear like these perspectives because I'm like you guys are weird but yeah.
I don't think there's any guy that likes high maintenance.
I disagree.
He's got to be there's no way his reason was just his reason was because he knew that's how he knows that she comes from something like family-wise like money-wise.
So is he a brokey?
No.
Not at all.
But what is the appeal of dating someone?
I mean, I kind of like a woman that knows what she wants in a way, and knows how to like, handle herself and take care of herself, and like I would actually make the argument that the woman who grew up with nothing, she actually is probably more capable of like.
But being like if you've just been handed everything yeah, if you've been handed everything your entire life, like.
I don't think you're gonna, I don't know, it depends.
No, I agree with that.
I do think there's.
There is also something to people may be drawn to people within their socioeconomic level.
So, right did sorry sorry, did you finish all the?
Yeah, I'm good okay yeah, I feel like I agree, though everyone has their own preferences, so it would be like whatever that guy likes, like the type of body on a girl and then a pretty face, and then yeah, like cleanliness, and then personality, I guess independent.
I feel like guys like funny girls, and what do they not?
I'm gonna be honest, I like funny girls.
I for me and, I think, a lot of guys.
We don't give a fuck if you're funny, we do not, I don't care.
What if she's not pretty?
And I've never.
What if she's not pretty?
She has to be like, make up for it.
I'm just saying that she's not pretty, but she's funny.
Like, you know, sometimes men aren't cute, but they're funny.
So it really makes them up a notch.
It does.
100%.
If he is not, say that he, like, the, oh, he's a 10, but, you know, but like, say that he's like a solid six, but he has jokes and can make me laugh.
Like the joke, like, oh, like, we like a funny guy because we laugh when our eyes are closed, you know?
Like, have you heard that?
Like, girls go for the funny guys because when they laugh, their eyes are closed and they can't look at me.
It's a thing.
Well, so I agree with you that I think a lot of women enjoy a guy who's funny.
I'm not sure if there's a symmetry there.
I don't know if men.
I don't honestly, a lot of men, they don't give a fuck if you're funny.
And I don't think that's the ass.
No, I will say this.
I'm not saying that men strictly.
I'm not saying that men strictly want all they care about is looks, but personality-wise, I think funny is like low on the totem pole.
Personality-wise, yeah, I think most guys would probably prefer like a dull girl, a bland girl.
Damn, I can't do that.
Honestly, I'm gonna say, I think a lot of guys just want a super chill, mellow demure, just like submissive, submissive, submissive, quiet, peaceful, funny chicks.
Andrew Chate, we should pull up a video, maybe.
What?
Andrew Tate, he knows a thing or two.
But we'll get back to Andrew Tate.
We'll have you give your take.
So I think, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's the same answer every time.
It's like all guys are going to have their own preferences.
Just generally speaking, though.
Yeah.
Generally, I think looks-wise, most guys aren't going to want a super lazy girl, whether it's like you work out all the time or you know, you go out and do things.
You don't sit in bed all day.
But then again, some guys like the homebody.
So it's like there's not, I really don't feel like there's any actual type that a guy looks at, personality or like physical or just physical.
It's like, you know, whether you're thin or you're thicker.
Asp tits, pretty face.
Like that's pretty much the main thing.
If you keep up with yourself, you know, I feel like guys really look maybe at like hygiene.
Personality-wise, I would think that, yeah, if some guys actually do like it where they feel like the girl doesn't have their life together, so they're like either like their protector or I feel like guys like to be the protector sometimes.
I don't know.
So you're saying guys like when a girl doesn't have her life together.
No, no, no.
I'm saying some guys do want the mommy type and then other guys want, you know, that not have their life together.
I don't know how to say it the right way, but help her.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Captain Savajo.
Yeah, Captain Savajo.
I don't know.
But like, like, I don't know.
Some guys like the independent woman and then other guys like to be their protector, I guess.
I don't know if I'm saying it the right way, but do you guys get what I'm saying?
Yeah, okay.
As long as they got it.
We got it.
Well, I feel like looks-wise, they all do seem to go for boobs.
It's like unrealistic sometimes, but you know, sometimes they have like this unrealistic, you know, curvy, flat-tummy, big boobs, big butt.
But at the end of the day, they're going to settle for what they like.
But like, personality-wise, I feel like they split into two categories.
Like, some men do like, like she said, like, the mommy type.
They want to be taken care of.
A girl that will cook for them, clean for them, do their laundry, you know, be there to listen, kind of just baby them a little.
And some men do like a girl who, I get what you're trying to say.
Like, like the men like to be dominant, dominant.
They like to feel dominant, pretty much.
But a band behind closed doors.
And that's dominant on that side.
Like they want to build out.
That's what I was trying to say.
Yeah.
Like some men don't like a girl.
Like they kind of feel threatened if the girl has more money than them, you know, because now they're feeling like, well, what can I give to you anyway?
So that's they kind of split two ways on what men like it seems like at least from a girl's point of view.
That's why I'm a breadwinner.
Yeah, that whole discussion in terms of who's the breadwinner, that is an interesting one.
I think because I do think, at least in the past, one of the ways men made themselves attractive to women is by being a provider.
That's still today.
That's still to this day, but that's kind of gone for the most part.
Yeah, we balanced it out.
Women are going to college, getting jobs.
A lot of women are out-earning men.
Actually, they did a study that women who live in cities who are single, it's not even single, who are unmarried and childless between the ages of 18 and 29 are outearning their male counterparts.
I think even in Santa Barbara, they released a study recently throughout numerous major cities in that specific age demographic, never married, no kids.
But that's changing.
But you also hear these stories amongst older professional women that they are failing to find men who are financially attractive.
So there's that going on.
So, yeah.
So just curious, show of hands, or maybe we can go around the table.
Do you think that since we're on the topic of finances, do you guys think that guys care about how much money a woman makes?
Let's start with you.
I know.
I don't think they care.
I think as long as you're not like a mooch and like being, I mean, at this age, in our 20s, I think everybody, man or woman, is kind of like, you know, just creating their financial structure.
But so as of now, no, I don't think they care.
But at any point, because yeah, if you're in college, sure, like most guys, they're not thinking so much.
I'd say women too.
They're not really so concerned with the other person's finances.
But I think once you start getting into your profession, you get a bit older, then it is a bit more of a consideration.
I think as our generation grows to be in our 30s and 40s, that it will matter more maybe to men if you are like financially okay.
But like you said, like in the past, like the generation of our parents, it was, you know, men were taught to be the providers for their families, but it's changing now.
So I think, yeah, as we get older, maybe, yes, they will probably care, but like.
So wait, as men will care more as they get older of our generation.
Okay.
So like this generation now, as of 2020, too.
I think that's the year.
Yeah, I think that's the year too.
I think that it was very much men were like breadwinners.
I mean, that's how they would provide.
But I think as we kind of balance out as we get older, I mean, it might make a difference.
So I'm going to say yes.
Maybe they'll care if a woman is financially stable as we get older.
Right?
Yeah.
So kind of building off of that.
I think it depends.
I think there's different types of men.
There's the man who doesn't care what they make and likes, so say it's like you're dating or involved or with whatever, a guy, and they make a lot of money and say you make a lot or don't make a lot.
It might not matter.
They just want to pay for everything or like take care of you in a way to make it seem like they're the caregiver of the relationship or whatever it is.
Or there's the one that like just wants a 50-50.
Yeah, 50-50.
Or there's a, I think it's also like a thing if they don't want to pay for everything or give a lot.
Say like the woman doesn't make a lot and they just take, take, take, but don't seem very appreciative of it.
I think that's where like it kind of gets up to be a big problem.
Sure, yeah.
But yeah.
Actually, let's just switch up the question.
Okay.
Yeah, so who pays on a first date?
Alondra.
I guess whoever initiated the date, whoever asks, because I feel like if you're asking, or I'll put it this way, since usually men ask, if I'm asking you to go out and I'm picking the place, then I mean, obviously I'm not going to expect your pockets to be at that level.
Like what if I pick like a fancy restaurant and you're in pockets?
Wait, so this is a first date, but you're going to.
Let's see, I invite, yes, you're invited like you're asking him out.
Can I pick this place?
I wouldn't expect them to pay.
So are you paying for everything?
I'll pay.
Or is it?
I guess it kind of, it depends.
The answer is it depends on who asks who, who's initiating the first date.
So if I ask, then yeah, I'll pay.
Sure.
So I'll ask the question.
A guy asks you out, first date.
does he pay or do you split if a guy asks me out and he wants to go out with me like for dinner a drink yeah Yeah.
You know, if you want me to come out with you, then I would expect you to pay.
If, you know, however, we are young, if he wants to go out and have a good time and, you know, we get there, we have drinks, the bill comes out a little bit more expensive than he was anticipating it was going to be and he's like, yo, you know, it's a hard time.
I wanted to be, I wanted to go out with you, but, you know, times are hard.
I'd be like, look, I'll split with you.
Or, you know, how hard are times?
Because I, you know, I'd help out, but, you know, initially, I would think that you would pay for it if you are asking me out.
If he asked to split, is there going to be a second date?
Or is that just a deal break?
It depends.
No, it really just depends on the circumstances.
But if you're asking me out and then you make it seem like, hey, I've got everything.
And then, you know, we finish the date.
And it's like, yo, can we split?
I'd be like, yeah, that's fine.
And then maybe, yeah, I don't know.
I don't ever want to say no.
There would be no second date.
But at the same time, it's like, I don't know.
I really don't know.
If a guy asked me out on a date, I would expect him to pay, but I would offer to be like, do you want to split it?
Usually they'll say no.
I haven't had someone say yes, but I'll probably get the dessert or the tip maybe.
Something like that.
So I'm not just putting it all on him, you know?
What if you offer to split and he's like, okay.
I wouldn't immediately be like, there's no date.
Like, I would assess how much.
But would you be upset by that?
You offer, but he said, and he takes you up on your offer.
I feel like I wouldn't be mad because I are.
Okay, sure.
Yeah, but that's just me.
But would it be a deal breaker to split?
I don't think so.
It depends where we go to.
If it's really expensive, I don't expect him to pay the full thing.
Or I'll get the dessert, you know.
Piki, what do you think?
She's a baby.
Personally, I'm always one to split.
Like, I prefer splitting.
I'm also the one that asks the guys out.
And all I've, like, I've gone up to a guy at a bar and be like, hey, I think you're really attractive.
Can I get your number?
Go out for drinks sometime.
And, you know, like, I'm always one to like, like, I'm down to like buy the drinks since I've offered to buy the drinks.
And I have before.
Like, I've gone out with a guy.
I asked him out.
We went to dinner.
He bought dinner.
And then we went to the bar and I bought the drinks.
And the bartender was kind of taken back by that.
He's like, oh, like kind of made a comment about it.
And I was like, I don't know.
For me, I'm comfortable enough.
Like, I'm happy to split the bill.
And there's totally a second date if we split the bill.
It doesn't affect me.
Wait, so you said that you're going up to guys, asking them out on dates?
Yeah, I'm more comfortable.
More often than the reverse.
I haven't had a guy ask me out in, I don't remember.
But I mean, like, I'm more comfortable now going out and being like, hey, I think you're really attractive.
Can I get your number?
Like, let's go out for drinks or something.
That's just me.
Are you on any dating apps?
I don't, I'm on Tinder, but I don't use it.
I'm like, never really on it, but I have it.
Yeah.
Same with me.
I am very down to split anything, especially at this age.
Like, it would be more expected, like, when I'm older, if a guy asks me out on a date to say, like, to like pay for the bill just because we're older and we have the finances to do so.
But I think at this age, at any point in time, I think it's fine to split the bill, especially if it's an expensive restaurant and they're like, I want to go out with you, blah, blah, blah.
But then I don't think if you put it all on him, it's a little hard to afford at this age, if that makes sense.
Sure.
And so you were saying that when you got a bit older, at that point, you might feel a bit more of an expectation if they're the one to initiate it.
Okay.
It's kind of like they should.
Yeah.
Okay.
Spearman Rhino Girl.
Oh, oh, sorry.
I was waiting for you to ask questions.
So sorry.
Okay.
I would say, I mean, split it.
If they're like a cool person, like I obviously, like, I like to vibe with somebody before.
So I would like to be like friends on the initial level.
Let's say if it's an older man, then I expect him to play, like, pay.
But if we're like in the same age range, then I would say split it.
Or if we got dinner and then went to the bar after and got drinks, then if he pays for dinner, then I'll pay for drinks.
So I would say like equal, because you're just getting to know each other.
So there's, I mean, okay.
Right?
I have a bit of a hot take on this one.
So probably gonna get hate from both men and women on this.
I love those.
So this whole idea of whoever asks should pay, I do feel like ignores the fact that de facto, the vast majority of men, they have to be the ones who initiate and ask for a date.
Now, occasionally a girl will go up.
Maybe sometimes there's outliers, but I'd say most men's experiences, especially the average man's experiences, if he wants to go on a date to go anywhere, he's going to have to initiate almost every single step along the way.
So by the way, 2022, feminism, equality, all that.
So boom.
Yeah, I guess we'll go 50-50.
So I think that's my take.
And yeah.
Fair deal.
Right?
That's fair.
You can't be feminist until the check comes.
Shit's 50-50.
Agreed.
Okay, so.
So, anyways, let's read some quick super chats.
And then I'm going to come in with my take kind of on the whole standards thing.
So we just have two here.
We'll get through them really quick.
And a couple interesting comments.
Really quick, ladies.
Vitaly ZDTV asks, I don't think that's the real one.
Would any of you date a felon?
Really quick, just yes.
We'll go around the table, Alondra.
No.
Maybe.
Is it a maybe or is it yes or no?
Nope.
Murder?
No, but if it was like assault, maybe he changed or something.
Okay, what about tax evasion?
Has he changed?
No, he's going to continue evading.
Oh, then no?
Murder, no.
No.
Yes.
I could have a crazy story about that.
So one of my ex-boyfriends is in prison for murder.
No names.
Yeah.
No names.
So why don't you tell us a little bit about that?
Wait, you were with him while he was, did you meet him?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we were just kids.
So he's actually, we were just teenagers when it actually happened.
And we had dated for a few years.
We were just kids.
And, you know, I knew his whole family, everything like that.
He's a good person.
And some bad circumstances happened.
And the environment we were in at the time happened to be an area where a lot of people recklessly carried guns.
And the worst of the worst happened.
And he's currently in prison right now for murder.
And aside from that, I've also dated like a couple felons.
I, well, maybe I shouldn't say too much.
But yeah, I also, I might say this as well.
I caught a felony charge when I was 17.
And thankfully it got wiped off my record.
So no.
Was it the drug dealing?
It actually was for that.
But so I would say you can't really judge anybody for that kind of stuff.
I mean, it is a hard life to come after, especially if you catch a charge like that after 18.
I think people can be rehabilitated, you know.
But so tell us about, so you met him in prison or?
No, we were kids.
We were teenagers together.
And we had dated previous to that.
And he went through some hard circumstances where his parents had, they had been together.
He was one of seven.
He was the last one.
And his mom had been with his dad for years and years and years.
And as soon as they got a divorce, she decided that she was going to leave him in his sophomore year alone in Colorado.
Okay, what was the crime that he committed?
He committed murder.
Oh, duh.
Okay.
Was it in self-defense or was it just, let's not get into it.
We won't get into it.
But how long were you dating him?
Well, again, we were kids, so it's not like we were like probably three years.
Did you visit him in prison?
I did visit him while he was still in jail previous to COVID.
So you were with him for three years.
At what point in the relationship did the murder happen?
So we were like off and on.
At one point, we had a really strong relationship where he was in a difficult area where I knew he was seeing other girls, but like I supported him because he was my friend and whatever, we were dating on it off.
It's a huge long story, but at probably the end, probably like year three, I mean, I still talk to him.
I still get letters and everything like that.
But.
So shortly after he went to prison is when, or shortly after he was arrested is when the relationship ended?
It had ended like a few months, like a little bit before that, but we were like off and on.
We were like really close friends.
So I guess it had ended previous to that, but we were still close.
Okay, got it.
Because we were kids.
Good times.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm sure Vitaly here appreciates all your answers.
Okay.
Let's see.
American Network against Labia Plaisty.
I'm with you, Brian.
Labia Love, All Labia Matter.
Yes.
Justice for Audis.
Okay.
Let's see.
Stephen Stiffler.
Ask the ladies to Stiffler back again.
Dude, he did this.
I don't know what this is.
No, Stiffler.
Is this the question?
I don't know.
I don't know how to do a scale of 1 to 10.
Ask the ladies to rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10.
Ready?
Y'all going to give the same answer?
Okay.
Why don't we just go around the table?
Elandra.
Honest answers?
Honest answer.
Rate your physical appearance in 10.
Say it.
So you're rating 10.
Just to be clear, we're not considering personality, any of these things.
Strictly looks 10.
Strictly looks, I guess, a 10.
I already said this.
I'm a 10.
Yeah, I'm a 10.
10.
10.
10 all around.
You are a 10.
Oh, me?
God damn it.
Yeah, probably a 10.
Okay.
Everyone's a 10.
Everyone's a 10.
I like that guy.
I mean, Stephen Stiffler.
I don't like it, man.
I want to be a dog.
10, though?
Really?
I want to be honest.
You don't think we're 10?
I asked you this yesterday and you didn't answer.
It's a little bit.
Don't you think it's a bit hubris, you know?
A little bit of hubris.
Can I be honest?
What do you think you are?
I'm like a six personality.
That's dude.
But are you funny?
Do you get those extra points if you're funny?
6.9, maybe on a good day?
I don't know.
Personality.
You need to lose a bit of a little bit of a double.
I think I'm like a seven, a strong 16.
Oh, there we go.
Thank you for the.
I do say 10 when I look in the right mirror, but I don't think.
Okay.
I think, yes.
Okay.
Confident-wise, I will say 10, but like 7 is, I feel like, is a good number because I don't know.
See, I agree.
There's like days where I'm just like, shit, like, I look like a mess.
Like, I'm not feeling my best.
Yeah.
But, like, there's days where I'm like in the gym and I'm just like, okay, like, I look really good.
I know I'm not a perfect 10.
Right, but like, I also, like, I'm working on myself to, like, be the most confident and, like, feel the best that I can.
And, like, you know, when I feel the best I can, like, yeah, like, I'm a 10.
Like, I'm.
And it's like, what's the standard of 10?
So what are we comparing ourselves to if there's a standard?
You see what you see?
You can't just.
To each their own.
Definitely.
To each their own.
Okay.
All right.
No comment.
So, okay, I'll ask one question then.
So I asked this the last time.
If y'all are 10.
Oh, seven.
You deserve a guy who's a 10, right?
So who's a 10 guy that you, I mean, you would deserve?
Brad Pitt when he was like 22?
I know.
I don't think that's a good idea.
I don't think looks matter.
Yeah.
I mean, looks matter.
Looks matter.
But like, for me personally, like, I don't know, if they're funny and they have a good personality and they have like the aspects that I want personality-wise, like kind, good person, okay, then, you know, say you're not like a 10, like good looks.
Okay, like, I don't care.
That's fine.
Like, if you can treat me well and you're a good person.
Well, I certainly, I think Stiffler here.
Oh, is he a 10?
Is he a 10?
He may very well be, but so he has, he's asking, you know, just, just strictly looks.
Yeah.
And I certainly agree with you that your personality, who you are as a person, can make you more attractive to a person or make you a better partner.
I think if you ask most guys if they'd rather be with a 10, but she's a bitch, or a girl who's like six or seven, but she's really sweet, great, feminine, submissive, like all this stuff, they're going to go with the girl who's less physically attractive.
That's me.
That's my take in it.
So thank you, Stephen Stiffler, for the question.
Mike Davis is roasting you guys in the chat, so let's see what he has to say.
Mike Davis, $5.
Mike Davis, thank you for.
What are they then?
Mike Davis, thank you for the $5 super chat.
All these girls definitely are a 10 combined.
Oh, I didn't see that part.
Not my words.
It's Mike Davis' words.
We have some other super chats here we're going to go through.
Stephen Krug with the $5 super chat.
It might be super chat.
Stephen, good to see you again.
Thank you for the $5 super chat.
Stephen, or sorry, David Buss, evolutionary psych.
Sorry, guys, I'm mumbling, stumbling.
English is my second language.
Says mates are all about equal mate value.
The tens match with 10.
Fives match with five on intelligence and looks.
Steven, you have to stop drinking while you're...
Dude, I'm slurring my words.
You need to stop drinking.
I'm totally sober, but English is my second language.
Stephen, you got to stop being licored up every time you watch the show because we cannot comprehend what you're saying.
But thank you for the $5 super chat.
Says mates are all about equal mate value.
The tens match with 10s.
Okay.
Anyone have a take on this?
I want to say.
Sure.
Come on in.
Like.
Like, personally, I would never, okay, if I were a perfect 10, I would not see a guy on the street who is trying to, or if he's trying to talk to me and, like, let's say he's not the perfect 10.
I'm not going to completely brush him off and be like, you're not a 10, you can't talk to me.
I'm not, you know, give the guy a chance.
You know, I'm all about give the guy a chance.
But at the same time, you know, if I'm, let's say I was like a four and a 10 comes up to me, I'm probably going to be like, shit, why is he talking to me?
You know, but, or why is he giving me the time of day?
So, I don't know.
It's just kind of like, it kind of just goes way back to when we were talking about preference in a person.
No, I get that.
No, that makes sense, you know?
Okay, more super chats.
Stephen, thank you again.
Mike Davis, $5 Super Chat.
Women do not outearn men.
They legally make more money and don't know how to avoid Uncle Sam.
So it looks that way on paper.
women do not out earn men they legally make don't women make less in the office too like i think Aren't we paid a little bit less than men?
Debunked.
It's been debunked.
The wage gap debunked.
I disagree.
I disagree.
We can talk about it.
We can talk about it if you want.
I honestly have no idea.
I've just worked at a job where it was discussed throughout employees.
It wasn't legally discussed, but we discussed it.
Men were making 50 cents more than females.
50 cents.
50 cents more than females.
I thought you were saying 50% more.
No, no, no.
50 cents more per hour.
And the male supervisor had a desk, and the female supervisor did not have his own desk.
So I'm kind of like...
His?
The female supervisor?
His female supervisor did not have her own desk.
Excuse me.
Okay, sure.
She's at her own desk, but I'm like, that's kind of...
Please respect her pronouns.
Her pronouns.
Excuse me.
Please.
Please.
But yeah, no.
I mean, it may have been debunked.
It was a while ago, for all I know.
But no, women are paid less and not treated as well.
Erroneous!
Erroneous!
I mean, so, okay, the wage gap, we're going in, we're hitting a whole bunch of things.
The wage gap has been debunked by various economists.
Basically, what the wage gap is, I mean, and the number is always fluctuating.
It's, what is it, 80 cents on the dollar to what a man makes.
That's when you look at the broad, the entire population and you add up all the money men make, all the money women make, and you don't adjust for things like hours worked.
You don't adjust for educational level.
You don't adjust for what else?
The seniority.
You don't adjust for the type of job.
You don't adjust for overtime.
You don't adjust for all these factors.
If you really look and break down, you know, compare like to like, it's payscale.com recently did a study.
And it's like the wage gap, as it's so-called, it's really an earnings gap.
It's been reduced.
It's like 99 cents to the dollar.
No comment.
No comments.
I honestly have no idea.
you disagree if anyone disagrees you're free to disagree um i mean i would also i've never worked in a workspace though where that came into play like Like, because I am really young still, I've only ever worked in retail.
I'm a nanny right now.
So it's like I get paid my own pay.
So I've never had to come into the wage gap situation.
And I've never actually really had any knowledge on wage gap personally because I've never had to talk about it.
And I've never had to be aware of it.
So I don't really have anything to say on that.
As far as I just don't know.
Word.
Yeah, cool.
I mean, I would just ask that, as far as the wage gap goes, if it was truly the case that employers could pay women far less, then why would they hire men?
That to me, it's like if you can pay a woman less, then only women would get hired.
And it's also, since the 1960s, it's been written into law.
It is illegal to, for the same job, you know, equal pay, equal work.
It's illegal to do that.
So if you can prove, if you can show that you're being paid less than your exact counterpart, you would have the basis of a, you could litigate.
Good times.
Okay, so okay, we're going to continue with the super chats here.
Let's see.
We got Mike Davis.
Mike Davis again.
Yo, Mike Davis.
Mike Davis coming in clutch.
I think he's turning around.
I think he's becoming a supporter.
Mike Davis, thank you for the $5 super chat.
Much appreciated, man.
Listen, fellow kings.
The best advice when it comes to women is to watch what they do, not what they say.
I suppose that applies to both genders, though.
Yeah, it does.
Watch what they do, not what they say.
Wise words from Mike Davis.
Thank you, sir.
Let's see.
Stephen Krug with the $2.
Please Google picture of Crazy Hot Matrix.
Stephen, we may, right now we have Eric on the ones and twos.
You sure?
You might butcher it.
You might butcher it, my friend.
What does that mean?
Also, wait.
Eric, can you also Google payscale.com wage gap while we're at it?
We believe you.
We believe you.
We're just too young to actually know.
I'm bored with that a little bit.
We'll just pull it up real quick.
Just review.
Okay.
This girl has to be at spirit right now by 10.
Yeah.
We have a shift.
I'll push it a little bit.
Your VIPs are waiting there.
No.
Well, wait.
We're fine.
Maybe those $5 super chats should be thrown on stage instead.
You're the one.
Eric, do you have it?
The Crazy Hot Matrix.
Whoops, hold on.
Oh, he's coming for you, too, right there.
The Crazy Hot Matrix.
Let's see.
Can you control mouse wheel that a little bigger, Eric?
There we go.
Oh, fuck, that's never hurt.
Crazy Hot Matrix.
Danger.
Facts.
Facts.
Okay, you can.
Did you pull up payscale, Eric?
No.
Okay, forget it.
Yeah, you don't have to twice the pay scale.
Forget it, Eric.
Okay.
Brixon, do you wear the slame flannel every pod?
Garbage fries, thank you for the $2 super chat.
I've switched it up.
I've worn three flannels.
I can't speak English, guys.
Sorry.
This is, yeah, I've only worn three different flannels, so I switch it up from time to time.
And then Stephen, real quick, while we're on the super chats, $5 super chat.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
The power trip type of personality in women, also in men in different contexts, try to weaponize perceived misogyny for their own financial benefit.
Stephen, I'm telling you, man, lay off the liquor, dude.
I cannot understand what you are saying.
But thank you for the support, man.
The power trip type of personality trying to weaponize perceived.
Bro, you got to write a book, dude.
You're eloquent as fuck.
I'm sorry.
I'm just not smart enough.
Stephen, I'm not smart enough for you.
Okay, let's go.
Yeah, yeah, we're bringing it back here.
Hold on just a sec, guys.
Okay, so we were talking about standards, preferences, boundaries.
Okay, they didn't like the wage gap talk, but, you know, it's okay.
So In our last show, we had a bit of a heated debate on a couple things.
Not you and me so much, but the armpit hair chick.
Feminist.
Feminist, yes.
Is that Crystal?
Yeah.
Crystal woman.
The crystal lady.
Yeah.
So one of the big preferences and standards that a few people on the panel took quarrel with, and I'm going to go through some other preferences and standards that men have, but one of the big ones, or two of the big ones, is, so one of the big things that men care about is, and some people disagree, is, and this is, okay, so one of the things men value in a woman is sexual purity.
So low body count.
Okay.
Men like women.
Men like women with a low body count.
So that was the big one that came up.
So why don't we talk a bit about body count?
Does body count matter?
No.
Wait, for God.
No, actually.
Both or both.
We can say both, but let's say should, I mean, if we want to frame it from the men's preference perspective, should a woman's body count matter?
Or we can keep it gender neutral.
Neither, no.
Should a body count matter?
I mean, no, but unfortunately, like, it does to some degree.
What's the degree?
Like, of course, like, guys always talk about wanting a lady with a low body count, but do they have a low body count?
I don't know.
It's different.
I don't think it should matter.
I don't think that it's.
It's different.
As long as you're safe and you're like, you know, I think that's a question that doesn't really matter.
It's fair.
To some people.
To some people.
Okay.
So I'm going to give my take.
I'm going to just say a lot of men prefer women with a low body count.
If you line up 100 men and you say, would you prefer a girl who slept with fewer men?
They'd say yes.
No guy's going to say, if a guy has a girlfriend, no guy, he's going to say no.
Obviously, I prefer not to date a whore.
Right.
No guy's going to be like, gee, I really wish, you know, my last girlfriend, or I really wish my current girlfriend had slept with more men.
No guy's going to say that.
Well, no guy, no guy or girl is going to prefer to date somebody who's slept around.
But if they meet somebody, yeah.
For me, it's like, I would prefer, you know, to date somebody who, like, but if I meet them and I vibe with them and their body count ties, so what?
I'm not going to just, it's not going to be a deal breaker.
That's what I'm trying to say.
But no, I like a good whore.
I do too.
Like, not a whore, but like, you know, like, I don't know, experience, I guess.
No, yeah, like, honestly, like, I don't care.
Body count for me doesn't care at all, not one bit.
But like, if they have a higher body count, they've been around a block, they kind of have some experience.
They kind of know, like, okay, because some guys don't know where stuff is.
Let me ask you a question.
So hold on, let me, let me, let me ask you a question on that.
So who's, who do you think will be more experienced?
A guy who's had three long-term relationships, each lasting a year and they were having consistent sex, or a guy who slept with 70 women and he's the most amount of times he's slept with one woman is like three times.
The guy that had the long relationships knows those three girls' bodies and knows what those three girls like, not what like the specific, but obviously you have to like know your partner, but versus the guy that's had the 70, he kind of like, I don't know, you learn new tricks.
That's all I'm saying.
Not on one night, sorry.
I mean, if you really want to go deep, like, well, no pun intended, in terms of exploring things sexually, like, that shit's really not going to, I mean, I don't know.
On a one-night stand, it's going to be kind of basic.
I feel.
I mean, I don't know.
Yeah.
Anyways, okay, so.
So you seem adamant.
Body count doesn't matter.
Not one bit.
Not a bit.
Okay.
So even like the guy had 100 bodies.
I do.
I have a friend that does.
Like I have a friend that has 99.
You know, and to the T.
It doesn't matter.
Personally, I don't, I doesn't, as long as you're clean and you're safe, I don't care.
I don't even need to know.
If I'm in a relationship with a person, I don't even need to know how many people you've been with.
Like, obviously, if we're like at like a small function and there's a girl in the room that you've slept with, I'd like to know, like, oh, yeah, her.
And I was like, okay, cool.
Like, but I don't care.
That's just me.
But it's like.
So it seemed like everyone here said, shouldn't matter.
Okay.
What's your body count?
What's my body count?
That's a great question.
Stopped keeping track after five, because it just didn't.
After five?
I mean, you can keep track a little bit.
After five, right?
After five, but you got to think about it.
Like, it all depends on when you lost your virginity.
If I lost when I lost mine.
I had 17.
Okay.
And 24?
24.
Okay.
so do you know but you know what the body count is it's definitely somewhere between like maybe like 15 25 somewhere around there 15 and 25.
Yeah.
Okay, in that range.
Sure.
I mean, my body count's 10.
I mean, considering when I lost my virginity, it was a young age to a boyfriend that I had for a long time.
But yeah, so from then to now, it's 10 or 11.
Two.
I mean, I don't usually say mine just because I like, I don't think it matters enough for people to know it.
That's kind of why I, like, I haven't even told boyfriends.
Like, I don't tell them because I'm like, there's no need for people to know it.
But have they, they've asked?
Yeah, and I haven't said it.
I've had a boyfriend ask, and I've had friends ask just because like, you know, and it's not crazy, but I'm like, if I'm safe and clean, I don't think it matters enough to say it.
Let me, I'm just curious.
So past doesn't matter?
No.
Okay.
But a little bit earlier, you said you wouldn't date a felon.
Who murdered?
So his past does kind of matter.
That is bad.
That is bad.
Past doesn't matter.
Clean, safe, healthy, whatever.
But like murder, I feel like is a different than sleeping around.
It is a bit different.
I'll give you that.
Two.
Two?
Okay.
I'm going to call upon my Fifth Amendment right.
She's pleading.
She is pleading the fifth.
I am pleading the fifth.
Okay.
Well, multiply it by three.
That's the real number.
So, okay.
One.
Would you be willing to give a range or an over-under?
Under 10?
No.
Over 10?
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Over 20.
She doesn't like this question.
Nope.
Over 30?
No, 10 and 20.
Okay.
Internet sleuths, do the calculations.
Okay.
So that is one of the things that guys care about.
Just but it's body count, but it's like how how do you ever prove that?
Like I could give you any number off the top of my head.
How are you gonna prove all 20 bodies?
Yeah, because I don't think guys lower their body too.
They divide by three.
Yeah, and I'm like, that's why you just gotta take it.
Take whatever you want.
Well, yeah, of course.
Like, take it with a grain of salt.
Someone could lie.
Everybody lies.
But I mean, like, if someone in your circle was privy to, like, if it wasn't a mystery or a secret that someone else in that social group or friend group slept with a lot of people, like, I mean, there's people talk, people know.
Then guy might be like, eh, not really.
That's kind of an issue.
Don't want to take her seriously.
So.
Yeah, I guess, like, if you slept with the whole football team, like, that makes sense.
But it's like, after that, like, how?
You know.
So in those whole baseball team, too, but she didn't tell you that part.
Baseball boys have moody, though.
Don't.
What if that was her thing, though?
Exactly.
There's nothing wrong with it.
Nothing at all.
But that's what I'm saying.
Like, they would know she slept with the whole football team because they talk.
But it's like, how do you do that?
Oh, they don't know any further than that.
They all talk to the point of like, like, group chat talk.
She's outing the group.
No, I'm not.
No, I'm saying, no, it's not even, like, I'm not even talking about the team.
I'm just talking about like in high school.
Like, boys have, boys talk about everything with everyone.
And then I think that's.
Yeah, I just think it's fun.
Like, girls are just like, oh, yeah, like, I'm talking with like these two boys.
And then she thinks that the two boys don't know each other.
And I'm like, they do.
Wait, guys talk about everything with each other?
I don't know about everything.
Because isn't it?
I don't know.
It seems like.
Yeah, we don't have to go into that.
So I wrote.
Okay, so I've written down a whole list of preferences, standards, and boundaries.
But before I get into the list, it's a long list.
You're not going to work.
What time is it?
No, we're going to try to end in like 40 minutes or so.
So.
I'll make it.
Yeah, she'll make it.
She'll make it.
Yeah.
So maybe we should pull up the Andrew Tate video.
Please do it.
Hmm.
Decisions, decisions.
Marjorie Davis is hurting.
I'm so sorry.
Look at that comment.
Marjorie Davis.
Oh, my God.
He paid $5 to say that.
What'd he say?
He needs to tell that red hair has the highest body count.
Probably smells like the whole penitentiary down there.
Damn, cuz.
Should we pull up the.
Okay, we'll pull it up.
Do you know, Eric, do you know how to pull it up?
I'm going to pull it up.
Put it on Meredith over here.
Meredith, why don't you tell us a little bit about working at the Spearmint Rhino?
Tell us about how frequently you work, how much money you make, et cetera, et cetera.
Craziest story.
Craziest story, please.
Oh my gosh.
I don't even know if I could.
I mean, there's been so many crazy stories that I don't know if I could hone in on one without like a lead into it.
But I work generally like four to five days a week.
Depending.
Depending.
Usually four.
Five is when I'm like trying to hit heavy.
But I mean, money varies so much that I can't really give you a range.
I would say like most dancers would say they probably make like $80,000 a year.
So somewhere around that.
Somewhere around more than minimum wage.
No, what's so attractive?
I don't know.
Give me a question.
How about that?
Like, give me something to like, would you want to know how it affects like my view on standards and boundaries and dating men?
Like, that kind of area?
Or what kind of stuff do you want to know?
Like, how much do you make in a night?
How much do I make in a night?
Well, it depends.
It really depends on the night, whatever is going on, what time of month it is.
Like, have people just pay for it?
of month it is like not for you work when that's happening yeah Yeah.
Actually, we do.
But I'm not saying it in that manner.
I'm saying it in the manner of people, like, having just paid rent or, let's say, around a holiday.
It just all depends.
Like, you could leave with $65 or you could leave with $1,400.
It just kind of depends on the night.
And how many guys are there?
Eric, let's have you pull up the video for us.
It all calls for dream.
Okay, go ahead and play it.
Know what's so attractive about younger women?
Because a lot of these dudes talk about fertility and looks and stuff.
I don't actually think it's that.
I think that in the modern world, in the days of old, right, you'd meet a woman, you get married, you'd be together, whatever, whatever.
In the modern world, if I meet a girl who's 33 and single, I know the amount of dick that's been through her before me is just simply unattractive.
I don't care how nice you are, but you're 33 years old.
How many men have fun?
If I get a 19-year-old girl, I might be your second or third man, right?
I'm going to be dude number fucking 29.
And all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they put you through, you're going to try and bring to my door?
Like, well, my last man cheat.
I don't give a fuck.
Like, I don't care.
Like, why is that my problem?
So, if you pick up older women, you have to accept they've been on the carousel longer.
They've had more fucking rides, more spins.
I don't want that shit.
When I see a beautiful young woman, I know that she has a very low body count.
And also, no, but no, but the truth is, women's mentality is absolutely connected to sex.
If a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her fall.
It is unattractive, too.
And it's unattractive, isn't it?
But if she's had 30 dudes inside of her, is she really to think, you know what, this guy's so, so, so special?
Or she didn't think, you know, like he talked to me, Rudolph, let's go get a new guy.
Whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys, she's much more likely to fall in love with you, be a better partner.
Except the likelihood of her falling completely in love with you and staying loyal to you and really believing you're the only man for her, after being through so much trauma and so many men and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heart broken and having those memories of her ex and all that crap she's been through, is far less likely than meeting a nice young, beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men and she goes.
You know what?
This is the guy.
I like him.
Every woman who knows this and every man who watches this can be honest.
Women fall in love with the person who loses their virginity too, or their second or third guy.
They really remember them.
They really love them.
Any woman who slept with 50 dudes she doesn't even remember who most of them are.
She doesn't care if a woman slept with a bunch of men before you.
She's less likely to stick it out through a difficult period in a relationship.
She's more likely to just think, you know what new answers?
New dick.
It's a pretty good answer and that's the truth.
Let me make something clear.
If I meet a beautiful 30 year old woman, i'm not saying I won't sleep with her.
That's pretty fucking old yeah, 30.
I know what?
Are you crazy?
I there's been times I was drunk.
Okay, bring it back, Eric.
Okay, uh.
Reaction to the video, Alondra.
It's little, it has to be.
His awesome is just listen to what he's saying.
He's saying, the younger girl has no, she hasn't had any partners.
She has nobody to compare me to, so it's easier for her to fall in love with me because she has nobody to compare me to.
So it must not be that good if you're worried about all the guys in her past.
I get worrying about, okay, she's ran through.
I get that part.
But he's making it sound like he has to impress someone.
In order to impress her mentally, she can't have too many partners.
Wait, but okay, so before you said that body count doesn't matter, but then you just said that I get if she's ran through.
So what is the difference between having a high body count and being ran through?
No, there's not a difference, but I'm saying like term terminology-wise, that's what they refer it to.
If she's had a lot of partnerships.
Right.
No, I know what getting ran through means.
Right.
But I mean, that's sort of the comparable thing to guys don't want a girl with a low, a high body count.
They don't want a girl who's been ran through.
Right.
Okay.
So what's the question?
Well, I mean, but I'm just pointing out that earlier you said body count shouldn't matter.
Right.
But you're acknowledging now that guys don't want a girl who's been ran through.
Or you're not saying that guys don't have that preference, but you're saying...
I mean, they can have that preference, but I'm saying that's where their head is at when they've had a lot of partners.
That it's like, okay, that's what they refer to her as.
And that's exactly what he was saying.
If she's had a lot of partners that she's ran through, so now it makes it harder for him to win her over.
Okay.
So the confidence is just low, is what it sounds like.
And then, just to camera show again, what you were doing?
Oh, no, this.
You were doing this.
This.
This.
So you're saying he has a small penis?
I don't like that kind of talk.
Okay, go ahead.
For me, it's like, it does kind of go to body count, being that I know that there are 19-year-olds, younger girls who have higher body counts than a 33-year-old woman.
Sure.
That's possible.
I don't think it's the age.
There could be a woman who's in her 40s who literally her whole entire teenage life saved herself for marriage, married the man that she lost her virginity to.
The 40-year-old virgin?
No, she got married and then obviously lost her virginity, or not 40, but you know, somebody who waited till marriage, lost it, and then they divorced and she's, you know, dating and maybe has two to three or four more bodies now.
But it's like, then there could be, you know, a 20-year-old girl not too far from her who has over 20 bodies.
Like, it's, I don't think it's an age thing.
I mean, I agree with you that there could be an outlier, like a woman who's 35 who slept with less men than a woman who's because times have changed.
We are in a time now.
People, aren't people having more bodies now, though?
Yeah, like we're in a time now where from our age, like I don't want to start like getting into this because I know there's going to be like controversy over it, but it's like, I feel like our age now, we don't respect, like, not me personally, but like some people just don't respect relationships as much and they'd rather have a good time.
You know, more power to you, do whatever you want.
But, you know, older people of the older age, obviously, it was a different time for them.
Relationships were a lot more common than sleeping around.
So, I don't know.
It's just.
Yeah.
I mean, I definitely think promiscuity has steadily been on the rise and probably ever since social media dating apps, it's been much more heavily on the rise.
But I mean, what he's kind of trying to say is it's both about age, but also about body count.
And I mean, I think most of us here in 10 years' time are going to have slept with more people than the number that we've currently slept with.
So if you look at a 19-year-old versus a 29-year-old, the likelihood that the 29-year-old has had far more sexual partners is it's, I don't know what the percentage would be, but I mean, it's much more likely that someone who's 29 has slept with more people than at 19.
Couldn't, I know some 18, 19-year-old girls that have been through 100-plus guys.
I'm not even exaggerating.
They've told me.
They've like, I've slept with 100 guys.
Freshman first semester, you know, ran through.
So, you know, it is what it is.
That's what I was saying.
It's just like, it's kind of, for me, it body count still doesn't matter in my, but, you know, it's just.
But you're, so you're, you're more likely to find someone, men or a man or a woman at age 19, 20, 21, who's had fewer sexual partners than if you're also looking and say 29, 30, 31.
Yeah.
And there's also girls who now are, and I know quite a few, who are tired of the men our age.
So they go older.
So obviously they are going to have a higher body count, which obviously means we don't care, in a sense.
I think women care less about body count.
Yeah.
And then guys, yeah, obviously a 20-year-old boy isn't going to want to date a 30-year-old woman.
If he's into that, cool, that's fine.
But it's most likely that the older men, that's why pretty much sugar daddies exist, is because they want the younger woman to spoil.
And yeah, so I don't know.
Yeah, I feel like body count doesn't matter and girls shouldn't be held to the standard that we should have a lower body count.
And like I said this last time, but people have their pasts.
Like you don't know what they're going through and if they like had used sex as a means of making themselves feel better.
Like I know people who have gone through that.
But that doesn't change like the type of person that they are or their relationships like from then on, you know?
It could have an impact on their relationships.
How?
I mean he listed a couple a couple reasons, but I think it's just a thing that guys want.
Yeah, but I don't think like we all said we don't care about body count so why should guys care about it?
Well do you think do you think that attraction is symmetrical?
In other words, things that men find attractive in women, do you think women find those exact same things attractive in men?
No, probably not.
Right, so there are things that men value in a partner that women don't care about.
Well he said like I feel like even if they have less bodies or more bodies that wouldn't like change the relationship that she's gonna go into you know like maybe her sample size I guess you would call it is like less so she would maybe fall for him more easily but like I don't understand what he was saying about that part.
I mean, my impression is if I'm talking to a girl and she's slept with 100 women before me, or sorry.
She could be bi.
What did you say earlier?
Like, identify her gender, like you called me out on.
Yeah, that was a mix-up.
If I'm talking to a girl and somehow comes about, she's like, yeah, I've slept with 100 men before.
Bruv.
I mean, she's...
You wouldn't like her?
Like, that would make her less attractive?
100%.
One.
Okay, should I get into the reasons?
I'm going to be number 101.
but she's not gonna be able to like i'm i'm immediately gonna think and i could be wrong but like my gut instinct's gonna be she's not gonna be able to commit that's my That's my thinking.
She's unlikely to want to commit in the same way that a guy who's a player and just running through, like, I'm sure you could.
Play the game, remember?
And again, I think girls don't care so much about body count, but if a guy's a player, and let's say you genuinely, like, you are really, really after a long-term relationship with someone, and you know for a fact that guy's a player, and he slept with a whole bunch of people, you're probably.
It's action speaks louder than words, though.
I guess.
So I'll give you a couple reasons why body count matters.
The first is STDs.
If someone slept with a lot of people, they're more likely to have an STD, be it incurable or curable.
So I don't think it's a particularly controversial take for people to not want to get an STD.
So if you've had a lot of sexual partners, you could have an STD.
If you're promiscuous, you could have an STD.
If you just hooked up, if you're hooking up with a bunch of people, you could have an STD.
So there's that.
I mean, does anyone here want to get an STD?
No.
What question is that?
But when we talk about like body count, like having multiple people, what if somebody's been in like singular relationships?
Some people are both with a lot of people.
So not necessarily like hooking up every single, not necessarily like hooking up with somebody like or randoms and all of that, but like having singular little things or relationships, not multiple people at a time or every day of the week or whatever it may be.
I have a question though.
My mom is a nurse.
She and she delivers babies.
She had a couple come in, and this is why I say some people are born with STDs.
She had a couple come in who obviously both had one.
Their baby was delivered with one.
What percentage of people would you say were born with an STD?
It's not common, but if it happens, it's not that child's fault.
So their body count throughout the years.
Well, I still wouldn't want to sleep with them.
Yeah, obviously not.
But some people, it's like they couldn't help.
That's what I'm trying to get out.
It's like, just because you sleep with a lot of people, or if you have an STD doesn't mean you sleep with a lot of people.
What do you mean?
Well, I mean, we have to think exceptions don't make the rule.
Yeah.
So yeah, the very first time you have sex, you could get herpes.
Yeah, sure.
Exactly.
Just like you could get pregnant the very first time you have sex.
But I think that's an outlier case.
I think that's an outlier situation.
So the fact of the matter is, if you sleep with 100 people versus you sleep with one person, two peep, two, three, four, five, six, seven, you're at a higher risk of getting an STD.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is what it is.
So that's a reason why I think that's a reason why I think both men and women should value a partner who's not promiscuous, but those days are gone.
But people have their past.
And depends on the type of person.
Their past includes herpes and HIV.
As long as you're clean, though, like you stay clean, you get tested, you're safe about it.
That's different.
Because I do have friends where she's been with her partner and like with her partner and he, you know, was being shady and gave her an STD without telling her.
And she found out because she was with her next partner and she gave it to him.
You know, so it looks shady, but that's why I'm like, it doesn't matter as long as you get tested, you're clean, you're safe.
You know what you're up to.
Yeah, you know what you're doing, so be safe about it.
It's not hard to be safe.
Well, you mentioned, like, get tested, but, I mean, you said you're, I don't mean to bring this up in this sort of way, but of the sexual encounters you've had, have you been tested before every single one?
Yeah, I get tested.
I'm very safe.
Every single, before you have sex with a person for the first time, every single time, both of you get tested.
Protection or tested.
Okay, well, it's plausible.
It's very, very safe about it.
Yeah, but it's plausible.
You could still get an STD even with a condom.
And I mean there's also And with the partner too Yeah, I mean, and then there's even afterwards, like, some people are asymptomatic.
Yeah.
I had, like, one of my friends, his girlfriend went out of town and she was being shady and gave it to him.
And, you know, females don't realize that they have an STD until much.
Like, female symptoms come up later than male symptoms, I've learned.
So the males can tell if they get their symptoms a lot quicker by whatever than we do.
So he's the one that found out, you know, so it's just, it's, yeah, you just gotta be safe.
I'll give you guys another reason.
Here we go.
Another reason.
So it's evolutionary hardwiring.
It's biological.
So.
It comes down to paternity.
So a woman who's promiscuous, who sleeps with a lot of men, you cannot guarantee paternity if she gets pregnant, for example.
And so this is like an evolutionary thing in men.
If she sleeps with a lot of men, she slept with other men, and you know, most of the time, like back, I guess back in the day, this is going to sound very unscientific, but like when people first got together with a partner, there wasn't condoms and birth control.
So you think she's going to try to get that?
50,000 years ago, huh?
You think that if she gets pregnant and it's uncertain who the dad is, she might put it on one person specifically that females still do that.
No, I'm not saying back then.
I'm just saying in general, like now and then.
I don't know.
Well, this is more so like throughout evolution, throughout hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution.
In the past 40 years, you know, we figured out DNA, we can do paternity tests, but still that doesn't undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and hardwiring.
So men are hardwired to be repulsed by promiscuous women.
And there's also intellectual reasons too for why men dislike women who have a promiscuous past, who are promiscuous, who have a high body count.
And so that hardwiring though, like you could not guarantee who the child is, who the child belongs to, who the father is.
As a woman, you get pregnant, you know the kid's yours.
As a man, you might not know.
So that's another reason why a woman who's promiscuous, she's a bad bet for paternity.
They don't like that one.
Okay.
I mean, I could, that's a fair one.
That makes sense, and it comes down to trusting your partner and being loyal with your partner.
But I do understand what you're saying, and I agree with that.
I feel like I see both sides.
In the same way, like, so speaking on evolution, hardwiring, biology, in the same way that most women want a man who's physically larger than them, be it height or size, it comes down to a protection thing.
So, you know, evolutionarily speaking, and I think one of the reasons why women find guys who are tall attractive.
I mean, if you ask someone to intellectually articulate why is it that you want, and not all women want a guy who's taller than them.
I'd say if you line up 100 women, most of them are going to say, I would like a guy who's at least my height or taller.
It comes down to protection.
A guy who's bigger is more capable of protecting you.
And word.
I lost my train of thought.
But little Windows thing.
Yeah, I need to do this for myself.
So there's evolutionary reasons.
Yeah.
So it's like the point we're trying to get across that body count should matter.
It matters to men.
It's like men.
Or men, right?
Which I'm which I hear that part.
It's not, okay, like I understand what you're, the point you're making is that it's a standard for men.
Obviously the topic of tonight.
And it's not a bad standard.
That's why like I hear what you're saying.
It's not a bad standard to have.
Like if that's your standard, that's your standard.
If a guy said he didn't like me because of my body count, by all means, that's okay.
I'm not going to be mad at him.
But I just think it comes down to the point we're trying to make is that nobody really knows body count for sure.
So why does something that you can't prove or really like come all the way down into detail and like track down matter?
I mean, somebody could, certainly your partner could lie about it.
It could come up.
The guy could be curious.
Right.
So.
I think it's the number that's scary because like she's saying, people lie.
If I were to tell you I have 100 bodies, you'd be like, nope.
If I tell you I have two, you'd be like, okay, let's go for it.
As they do.
Yeah.
They lie.
Everybody lies about certain things.
People lie about a lot of things.
Exactly.
A lot of things.
And then, I mean, my other take is, is that, I don't know.
To me, it's just if I'm talking to a girl and I'm interested in pursuing her and I know that she fucked a guy last night.
I don't know.
I'm going to feel a certain type of way about like I'm just going to be kind.
She fucked a guy last night.
Then I'm on a date with her, whatever.
Like, granted, even if we're not, you know, it's our first date, we're not in a relationship.
I'm going to look at that and be like.
Yeah.
You're going to have a concern.
There's probably.
By the way, there's probably no way I'm going to ever know that.
Most girls wouldn't.
Most girls are not going to be like, by the way, I fucked a guy last night.
By the way, I just came from a hook.
But like, let's have dinner.
Okay.
The dating meta is as it is, you have to assume like people are on dating apps, social media.
People are very promiscuous, both men and women.
By the way, I just want to make something clear.
If a woman had a preference for a guy who had a low body count, I think that's totally fine.
I don't think a lot of women care as much as men, but if a woman had that standard too, I'd be all for it.
If a girl said, I don't want a guy that's fucked 100 women, to me, that's not shocking.
I think it's safe to say personally that, and this might sound wrong, a girl is already going to assume that a guy's body count is higher.
Yes, especially if he's attractive.
If he's attractive as well.
She's going to assume that it's higher.
Or if he spits games.
Especially.
Like, if I am talking to a guy, I'm automatically in my head whether he has a body count of two or 50.
I'm going to assume it's going to be closer to the higher side than two.
And if he does have one lower on the lower side, that's great.
But I'm going to assume and, you know, expect the worst, hope for the best.
Which is so unfair for us to do, but I feel like everyone's so quick to judge.
You know, like, I'm also like, I'm a church girl.
I go to church.
A lot of my football boys go to church.
And I know, like, some people who go to church and like absolutely like saving themselves for marriage.
And then there's some people, like, you know, it's just, it's, yeah, it's just really, it's hard to, like, tell.
You can't get it.
I think we just accept it before.
Yeah, we accept it before it comes out.
To hurt our feelings.
We're just like, to learn our feelings.
We're like, okay, whatever.
Raina, speaking of athletes.
Sorry, buddy.
What?
Sorry, bud.
What?
What about the NBA player?
Did he get in touch with you?
I don't think he's gonna watch.
I hope he doesn't watch this.
Why?
Never mind.
Okay.
Let's read a couple super chats here.
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Super chats, let's see.
Oh, we got quite a few.
Hold on, I'm going to try to catch up here.
Oh, I think we got that one.
Stephen Krug with the $2 super chat.
Whiskey is life.
This is how my, this is my body count: $69,420.
Nice.
$69.
Good one.
Thank you, Stephen, for the support.
Appreciate it, man.
We got Brandon here.
Salad City Rebel.
$5.
Thank you for the $5, man.
Appreciate it.
What is the hottest thing a man can do to impress a woman without effort or awareness that he's doing it?
Really quick, just because we're running a bit low on time, really quick, just give a short answer.
We'll go around the panel a longer.
What is it like?
What is the hottest thing a man can do to impress a woman?
Just one thing that just comes to mind.
Like, I don't get the, I guess.
Something like that.
Open doors?
Open doors?
That's what I'm saying.
No, it's sad.
It's sad that that doesn't happen.
The bare minimum chivalry is dead.
Yes, literally.
Chivalry is a bit of a dead.
The bare minimum.
It's rare.
It's not dead.
What did Dave Chappelle say and women killed it?
I hear that one.
Not my words.
Dave Chappelle's.
Overprotectiveness.
You want a guy to be overprotective.
I like the jealousy or exactly.
There's a borderline on this.
No, it's not.
I don't know.
I like, I like the.
I'm not even.
I just like the dominant guy.
I like to be protective.
I know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
You want two men to fight over you.
No.
And beat the shit out of each other.
No.
Okay, I got that wrong then.
Okay.
No.
Actually.
Okay.
No honesty.
Like being honest.
Yeah.
Okay.
Opening my car door and not letting me walk on the side of the street.
It's the littlest things, but as soon as somebody moves me to the inside of the street, it makes the biggest difference.
I notice it without hesitation every time.
Is that because like there's the cars and you're more likely to get yeah, like it's a protection thing.
It's just like in case they're like I do it with my little brother.
Like I was taught that.
You know, in case there's like an action, like, you know, it's just a thing.
Like they just grab your shoulder and they move you.
Like I have told you that and I notice it.
I don't care about that.
I love when they hold my hand.
No.
I decided the Cardor.
Why does the guy have to do that?
It's a protective thing.
It's a protective thing.
Okay.
So that's kind of like falls into traditional gender roles.
Would you consider yourself a traditional woman?
Not necessarily.
I mean, I asked the guys out.
Okay.
Yeah, I mean, it's just for me, it's just, it shows a sense of protectiveness in a sense that he cares without having to say words.
What if he wants you to be the meat shield from the oncoming car?
I am five feet tall.
I don't know how much I'm going to be able to help him.
Okay.
Got it.
Same thing, kind of doing the little things to show that they care.
It doesn't have to, like, you don't have to limit it to protection.
And it could go on both sides, the men to the women, women to the men, but kind of doing things to show that you care about that other person.
I don't have anything good to say.
What is the hottest thing a man can do to impress a woman?
I mean, I don't even think.
I'd spend racks at the strip club.
Okay, that's hot.
Whatever.
But literally.
But I don't know.
The hottest thing a man can do.
Instead of impress, the hottest thing a man does that he's not aware of.
I love the hat flip.
I'm going to keep it simple.
I'm not going to go see the front to the back.
Hat flips.
What?
The hat flip?
What's that?
If they're wearing like a hat and then when they go to do something and then they like flip their hat backwards.
Like, I don't know.
I find that so interesting.
It's not impressive, but it's hot.
It's flexing.
Flexing.
Okay.
Thank you, Brandon, for that very generous super chat and good question.
We got MD.
Is that what currency is that?
Is it.
Does anybody know what currency that is?
MD 40.
Well, thank you for the 40 currency that we're not sure in the chat, guys.
What is the currency?
It looks.
I can't avoid the question now.
Yeah.
What's your body count?
What is my body count?
Not having body down on the girls.
No dividing.
My body count.
I'm a man of God.
That's such bullshit.
You made us answer.
You know, I'm a very discreet individual.
Look at your podcast.
I'm a highly, very discreet individual.
I don't kiss and tell.
So, yeah, I think it's zero.
Yeah, I take it back.
I don't even know what's going on.
I'm a man.
I'm a man of God.
I'm a virgin.
What is that?
Next question.
It's a Mexican pesos, Carlos says.
Okay, cool.
Thank you for the 40 Mexican pesos.
Much appreciated.
$9.09, $5 super chat.
Thank you for the $5 super chat.
Appreciate it.
Consider this.
Women sleep with who they want.
Men sleep with who they can.
This is why body count is important to consider.
So that's actually $9.09.
Thank you for the $5 super chat.
That's a fantastic point.
So, one of the other reasons why I think it matters more to men could be hold the power.
It's easy for you guys.
It's easy for guys too.
No.
Hold on.
Herronius.
He's kind of got a good point.
He does.
That's a good point.
Like, women, if you think about it, though, like, he's kind of got a point because it depends.
Like, we have a broad spectrum where, okay, we have a broad spectrum.
We're like, okay, half of these guys like ass, half of these guys like boobs.
Women, we have like a good chance of having either, you know, like talking us down.
Yeah.
It's the odds of we have a much higher, like, if we shoot our shot versus if they shoot theirs.
You have the power when you shoot your shot, and I've learned that you genuinely, like, we are more likely.
Yeah, and I don't know what it is, but like, for me, I think it's hot.
Like, I do, I think it's fun.
But, like, when I go up and I'll be like, hey, like, can I get your number?
Like, let's go out for drinks, whatever.
I hold all the power and all the cards.
And then if he says, no, okay, whatever.
But, like, with guys, though, it's harder.
Not harder, but like.
They just have to do a little extra.
Yeah, because women are kind of used to different.
Okay, a lot extra.
I'll give it to you.
Yeah, like it goes back down to all the questions we ask.
Right.
Men usually have to pay.
Men usually plan out the first date.
They have to make sure they're consistent.
At almost every single step along the way, men have to take the initiative.
Right, yes.
So when the woman does it, not all the time.
It's different.
Well, yeah, most of the time.
But so when women do it, let me ask you.
Hold the power.
You guys think it's fun.
No, it's fun to hold the power.
When you do it, it's fun.
Wait, so you think when you approach the guy, you hold the power?
I actually think it's the opposite.
The guy's coming to you, you're in a stronger negotiation.
I agree with that, but it's more like for me, I think it's more fun.
Like, I have the cards in my favor when I'm like, I feel more powerful.
That's why it is.
You can be more assertive.
Yeah, when I'm more assertive about it, I feel more powerful versus like having the guys come up.
Like at the bar, if like a cute girl has like a bunch of guys coming up, she's kind of tired and she's over it.
But then, if she does it and she goes after the one guy that she wants, I get it really quick.
Um, do you guys ever DM guys out of the blue?
Yeah, do you receive DMs?
Yeah, out of the blue, okay.
Uh, interesting.
So, thank you for the super chat.
Sorry, guys, it's getting late.
We're uh, you know, the brain's going slow at this point.
Um, but so you think I don't know, it might be the type of guys I well, okay, so you have you told us last time.
No, no, no, I won't expose you.
You have uh very high standards, that's what you said, yes.
So, I also just like I was thinking about this after I left last time.
Like, I think I just get the ick really easily.
Like, I'm really picky, but there's not like a specific type of guy that I look for, you know.
You get the ick really easily, yeah, like causes the ick.
Like, the way they tie their shoes, I don't know, like randomly like that.
I just it's the cutest.
No, okay, yeah, like I like them to have like clean appearance.
Like, I don't have like oh, blonde hair, blue eyes, or dark hair, brown eyes.
Like, I'm just like, I don't know.
You're picky in a different way.
Yeah, I pick it based on personality and what I said.
Like, I need to talk to them.
And he has to be tall and an NBA player.
No, hide for me, yes, but sorry.
Okay, but do you think that maybe because you have very, very high standards that you're maybe projecting that onto?
Oh, if I have high standards, then a lot of guys must also have very high standards.
Um, I wouldn't say that, I don't know.
Because guys, honestly, most guys don't have any standards.
I'm gonna say it.
No, yeah.
A lot of guys don't have any standards, they'll tolerate a whole bunch of bullshit.
So, yeah, they do have standards, though, a low body count.
Well, that's one of the important ones.
But honestly, like, here's the most men actually can't even dictate that one.
Like, most men just here's the thing: is that, and this is getting into a whole nother topic, but most men are not attractive enough to really have that sort of pretty woman.
Yeah, so a lot of men date down.
They're gonna go after multiple.
If they can't get with the first one, they'll go after the second one, and like, oh, can't make that shot.
On to the third one.
But their ego, it's it's more like they will shoot their shot.
They're like, You're gorgeous.
I've had this happen in my DMs.
You're gorgeous.
And then it's like, sorry, not interested.
And they're like, You whore.
No, literally, you're not even that.
That's just weird.
Yeah.
It's like the ego just.
Yeah, that's weird.
Like, guys, if a girl rejects you, even if she's not tactful about it, just take the L. Like, don't be like, or even if she's, certainly if she's polite, just take the L, like move on.
Just be like, hey, that's cool.
Have a good day.
But yeah, don't be like, if she rejects you, be like, you fucking ugly bitch.
I didn't want you anyways.
That shit's weird.
Well, this guy asked me one time, or like a couple days ago, you saw it.
This guy asked me for nudes and he was like, you sell nudes.
And I was like, no, stop asking that.
You've asked me that like five times and I've ignored you every time.
And he was like, you're ugly, horrible.
And I was like, oh.
So you wanted to see me, you wanted to pay for my body like two minutes ago and I told you.
You wanted to pay for me the ugly whore that you didn't.
And now all of a sudden I'm just.
Save that for the seventh date, guys.
Asking for nudes.
Okay.
So consensus with the table.
Is it easier for men or women to get laid?
Women.
Yeah, she still thinks it's hard.
I don't know.
Okay, I'll give you an example.
So you could probably go on Tinder right now, go in your DMs right now, and find a guy to have sex with tonight.
Okay, fine.
I agree with you.
Okay, so it's 9 p.m.
So let's say, I know it's Thursday.
Let's say it's a Monday or Tuesday.
It's currently 9 p.m.
You could have a guy at 10 p.m.
Go to his place.
He goes to yours.
As a guy, like for a girl you don't know for a girl you don't know for a girl you don't well of course that's what I mean for brand new there's no such thing as last minute pussy on a Tuesday you can't there's no guy unless you're there's no guy that's gonna convince a girl at 10 p.m. That they've never met before.
Hey, let's fuck.
Impossible.
They have to work harder for it.
They got to take her on a date, meet up in person.
No girl's going to just like immediately, but any girl, if she was so inclined, I don't think most girls, though, would just want to, hey, let's fuck.
You know, they'd maybe want to date first, whatever.
Maybe there's some girls.
I don't know.
I know a few.
Depends on where you're at.
I know a few.
Or you could just walk outside right here on the street.
I don't know if I would do that.
Go up to a guy, be like, hi, do you want to fuck?
And they would.
The first might not say yes.
They might have a girlfriend.
But you ask five, at least one is going to say yes for sure.
But it might go back to the guy like.
We can go out down there tonight.
I will do it for you.
I will go up to guys.
Sure.
You and me will go out together and I'll go up to a guy.
You don't even have to say anything.
I'll be like, hey, you see that girl over there?
She kind of thinks you're cute.
She's wondering if you want to boom, boom, boom.
I'll get you laid tonight.
But do you think that's going to go back to a guy, like going, a girl going up being like, hey, you want to fuck?
Do you think the guy's going to go back to like, how many guys has she asked to do this?
And then that goes back to body count.
Yeah.
Yes.
Like it all goes back to that.
And then it looks like, oh, she's a whore.
She's trying to get to something.
She probably does with every other guy, regardless of it being hooked up.
Or are you talking about the principal?
But most men are so sex starved.
So a lot of men are sex starved.
Most men, like, they're not getting any.
And they've done studies on this.
Like, the majority of people that are either virgins or sexless between the age range of 18 and 29, these are people who are reporting having had no sex in the past year.
It's 10% more men.
And so one of the reasons for that is there's this concept called hypergamy.
So, man, we're getting into it.
So let me ask, let me go around the table.
Of the men that you see on dating apps, social media, maybe not social media, of the men you see on dating apps, if you've been on dating apps or that you see on a day-to-day basis, what percentage of men would you say you find physically attractive?
Really quick, Alondra.
Maybe like a good, that's kind of being generous.
Maybe like 40, honestly.
40%?
Damn.
I don't, it's hard for me.
I go to the same places every day.
I'm in school for eight hours and then I go to the gym.
So at the gym, I'm a gym girl.
I think gym guys are attractive.
So all, most of the guys in there are attractive to me.
But if we're talking about on the street, probably about, yeah, 30, 40%.
Okay.
Like 10?
So like the boys here all look.
Yeah, I don't really like the guys here.
Okay, so 10% of the guys that you see on a day-to-day basis.
Like not even that, though.
Less than 10% of the guys you see.
What does that mean?
Like, that's just my own opinion.
And their opinion, though.
It's around Isla Vista.
Yeah, like I'm not into like surfer skater boy.
Okay.
By the way, so just to clarify, Isla Vista is a college town.
So the men she's seeing, she's not seeing a lot of 30, 40 year old guys.
She's seeing guys in her age range, 10%.
Yeah, that sounds so mean.
That's totally fun.
What do you think?
I don't know.
I'm with her like at the gym.
I think the guys at the gym are very attractive, but like I find a lot of guys out in the Isla Vista area very attractive because I'm not from the California area.
I'm not from Santa Barbara.
I think they're pretty to look at.
I wouldn't necessarily go talk to any of them, but I think they're good looking.
I think they're handsome.
I think they're cute.
They're just not our type.
Okay.
Yeah.
Percentage?
Like 60.
I should have asked this specifically.
Has everyone been on the dating app?
Yeah.
Okay, well.
The dating app is.
What percentage of the men on dating apps would you say you find attractive?
Like 20 on Tinder.
Okay.
I'm just going to say the same as Reina, but also.
10%.
And then related to the menu.
Well, yeah, you have a boyfriend.
Before your boyfriend.
We won't get you in trouble.
Don't give me trouble.
Probably this is like 10 to 15.
10 to 15% of men you find attractive.
Okay.
I would have to agree with her.
Probably 10 to 15.
Okay.
Dating app is like very limited.
Okay.
For my experience.
So just to tie this all together, so the thing is, is that if a lot of if the majority of women are only finding 10 to 20% of the men attractive, most of the women, there's going to be a sort of agreement on that 10 or 20%.
So what you have is basically 80% of the women that are going after 20% of the men.
And they've done studies.
Why are they?
It's easier for them when girls are throwing themselves at them.
Well, but here's the thing.
That top 20%, and I think it's actually, it's probably shrinking.
It's the top 10%.
The top tier of men, super attractive men, they have an abundance of choice.
But I would actually say they don't have it when it comes to sleeping with a girl.
They actually don't have it anywhere near as easy as even an average looking girl.
I think an average looking girl can run circles around even like a top tier model, like model-looking guy.
He'll get success, but an average girl, like you, just to sleep with a guy, just to sleep with a guy for one time.
Like if you really wanted to, yeah, it's easier for girls.
I'll admit that.
Yeah.
So like I said, we can go down there.
You could get late tonight.
Easy.
Okay, so we kind of went very deep into that super chat.
We're just going to get through the rest of these.
Garbage fries with a $2 super chat.
What's Kiki's body count?
I'll marry her regardless.
Kiki is a virgin.
Her chastity, her virtue.
It's not hers.
Okay.
Can you hold it up for the camera?
Oh, with the child.
With the alcohol?
Yeah, with the flask.
Can we do a little zoom in, Eric?
A little like Mufasa moment?
What is it?
It's like Mufasa.
Ah, Sabinia.
Okay.
Yeah, so adopted.
She's a very caring person.
Yeah, her virtue's intact, guys.
Trust.
Okay.
Thank you, Garbage Fries.
Mike Davis.
Dude, Mike Davis, I'm.
He has money, though.
I'm liking Mike.
He has money, clearly.
I'm changing my tune with Mike Davis.
Andrew Tate understands the incel much more than he understands women.
He transitioned from a webcam business to pimping incels.
Think about it.
I don't know about that.
I mean, it seems like a lot of the men that follow him just seem like kind of normal guys.
I don't know.
But Mike, Mike Davis.
Thank you for the.
Go ahead.
Not that you're going to know I meant like that.
Oh, the small.
Body shaming.
How dare you, sir?
Ego shaming.
How dare you?
Let's see.
They're slut-shaming girls, though.
Wait, who?
Or, like, I don't know.
They're not slut-shaming.
Well, if they have a higher body count, they're less likely to want to talk to you.
But I don't think it's shaming.
It's just a preference.
Guys have a preference, guys have a standard.
I have a preference.
I prefer to be bigger than this.
Whoa.
And his ego not get light.
I don't like that kind of talk.
But it's a preference.
Well, I guess I understand the ego.
Agreed.
It is how he uses it, but like, I don't know.
His ego is just fucking.
Yeah.
He'd be the type of guy that drives like those little loud cars with like value with like all the extra engine shit.
Yeah, that's him.
Okay, so I have a question.
So this is acceptable, right?
This thing?
If this is acceptable, is this acceptable?
Here's the thing.
Is the inside of a girl is about four and a half, five inches deep.
Cavernous Vagad energy.
Eight inches, six inches, even?
I mean, it doesn't, it's gonna, you know.
So.
Well, it's not so much the.
Let's not talk about Jenna Tail yet.
Moving on, moving on.
Mr. Josh Rains, $2 super chat.
What's one thing each girl is most insecure about?
Sorry, your viewers.
Actually, we were doing five and up.
Mr. Josh Rain.
Sorry, man.
We gotta move on.
Time, time.
I'm sorry, Josh.
Mike Davis, $5 Super Chat.
Women want a man with a high body count because it's social proof they have game.
Men know what they want and don't care about society's opinions.
Well, I mean, I do agree.
Like, I think we can actually go around the panel on this.
Would any of you want to date or sleep with a guy who's a virgin?
I have.
Sure.
I'll rock his world.
Oh, okay.
Well, interesting take.
But I think if you ask a lot of women, they might be a bit turned off by that because the guy's going to be...
What if he's watched porn all of his life?
I don't think that's a good idea.
I don't think watching porn is the best teacher of how to do it.
Not that.
I don't know, but like I mean, unless you just want no, I'm saying as long as he doesn't just, it's not like vanilla.
I don't know.
Vanilla?
You don't have to say that?
Vanilla sex is a bad thing.
No, I'm familiar.
Yeah.
Okay, then.
He's a man of God, actually.
He doesn't even know what sex is.
No, I know.
I've had one of my friends, like, his girlfriend would not sleep with him because he was a virgin.
His girlfriend.
And I was like.
Girlfriend, what?
Girlfriend.
Would not sleep with him.
Girlfriend of like a year wouldn't sleep with him because he was a virgin.
I'm like, so how is he, you know?
How's he gonna live?
It's weird.
But I mean, no, that doesn't matter.
What?
She wasn't a virgin?
She was not a virgin.
He was, and she's like, I'm not sleeping with you if you're a virgin, but they were dating.
Hold on.
What did she want him to do?
Everybody knows you never go full return.
Never go full return.
What?
Wait, what?
She was dating him, but she didn't want.
But was she fucking somebody else?
I don't even know.
He was a virgin, and she would indeed.
What?
That's weird.
Okay, so women want a man with a high body count because it's social proof they have game.
I mean, word.
Okay.
Thank you, Mike Davis.
Much appreciated.
Okay, so I didn't really fully give my final take on the whole preference.
I should have done it earlier.
But before I do that, I want to open it up to final thoughts to the panel.
So if you have a final thought or you want to ask a question to either me or the panel or Kiki, feel free.
Start with you.
My final thought is that, like, over all of the questions of, like, does the body count matter, all of that kind of stuff, I think that, or, like, should they pay first?
I think that instead of looking at people's physical traits, their financial traits, or how many people they've had sex with, I think that we all should find somebody that's compatible with us and just honestly be looking for a good person.
And like, yeah, that's all.
That's my final thought.
Final thought or question for the panel?
I mean, I don't have a question, but I guess final thought, kind of pretty much the same thing she was saying.
I don't think it really matters about all the outside things as long as you're happy and it works with whoever you're with or whatever you're doing.
And if you're happy, go for it.
Yeah, I mean, I stand by what I said.
I don't think a body count matters at all as long as you're safe, clean.
I mean, you like, obviously, if you're with your person and you have a past, like, talk about your past, but yeah.
Yeah, basically the same thing.
I don't think you should categorize any of the genders based on their physical body count or like their height, though.
That's a physical thing.
This is just personal.
Like, everyone's different.
I just like, like what we were saying, like, you would prefer to be like smaller, you know?
I like my head at their heart.
That was cute.
I like my head at the head because you can like feel that.
That was hard.
Don't do any of this.
I saw you eyeing it.
He's like the heartbeat sound.
No, yeah.
And then like when you hug them, like when they're from behind, like their arms are just like right there.
Like I like that put the shades.
But what if a guy likes a woman who hasn't been ran through?
No, I'm saying like everyone can have their own preferences.
Like you shouldn't like classify that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm in agreement.
It's like as long as you're happy, that's all that matters.
High body count or not.
Money or not.
Height or not.
I feel like everybody deserves to be with the person they want.
And the right guy will be with the right girl if her body count's high or low, the right, and vice versa.
Like it's just if they like each other and they put things aside, that's what's going to happen.
And if they aren't compatible, then they will find people that they are compatible with.
So at the end of the day, it's like you're going to be with who you're happy with, and that's what matters.
Yeah, I guess final thoughts on everything.
Have whatever preference you want.
If body count matters to you, that's okay.
But I think in the end, whether it's male or female, just have a preference that you yourself can meet.
You know, don't be over here saying you don't like a high body count when you yourself have had many partners and all that.
Well, Andrew Tate, okay, so Andrew Tate, he probably has a very high body count.
Exactly.
But he has a desire for a woman with a low body count.
So do you take quarrel with that?
Yes.
Or do you think it's hypocritical?
It's very hypocritical.
If he becomes respectful.
Is it because couldn't, you know, you want, for example, if you want a guy who's taller than you, but you're not tall, right?
So there's asymmetries in what people find attractive.
Right.
So.
I think the right people are going to have the right compatibilities, though.
A tall guy who wants a short girl, he's going to find a short girl.
And if she wants to be with a tall guy, she's going to be with him.
And it all comes down to like if a guy, if the body count really is an issue with him, he will say, look, you're cool, we hung out, but like, you know, it's not going to work and it's just going to end there.
Alondre, you wanted to come in?
I just feel like that's like a horrible comparison because it's like it's not the best, but okay, let's think about it like this way.
Like, okay, what if a girl, if a girl wants someone who has a lot of money who can buy her all this designer stuff?
That's a good one.
What if she can't buy it for herself?
Why do you want a man that can buy it for you?
She's a brokey, but she wants a guy who exactly.
You're setting a standard for yourself that you yourself can't reach.
So it's like, why is your standard you want a girl with a low body count when you yourself are ran through?
Like, you, why do you get to have all the fun and you want her to be like fresh?
Yeah, that's hypocritical.
Wait, what's the question?
Why could she, why you get to have all the fun and you got your fun in, and now that you are done with it all, your high body count is there.
Now you want someone who has a body count of two or a virgin, like he was saying, a fresh meet 19-year-olds.
Well, I don't think every guy has a high body count.
But we're talking about Andrew Tate.
Oh, we're talking about Andrew Tate.
Well, Andrew Tate's, I mean, this guy's, I think his net worth is like $500 million.
Oh, yeah.
Kickboxing champion, fit, 6'1.
Beautiful bald head.
So, I mean, he's definitely an outlier.
He is not by any stretch of the magic.
He's not a normal guy.
Yeah.
He's like, at least financially wise.
He meets other standards, I guess.
Yeah, I mean.
What's high for a guy?
In terms of body count.
What would be high for you?
For a guy to have?
For you, personally.
Like, I want to know for personally, like, a guy, meaning you.
Oh, what's high?
What would be the deal breaker for you?
Yeah.
It's hard to say because it would depend on age.
So, I mean, if my age, 20.
20?
Yeah.
Your age.
I don't know how old you are.
Maybe someone in your age range could be a little.
So I have other.
Can we ask how old you are?
Do you mind if we're 33?
Okay.
I'm 33.
So then say that you are going on like Tinder date with this 33-year-old woman.
Sure.
And you guys, whatever, go home, whatever.
Her body count, what would be that like deal breaker kind of thing for you?
Like no second date.
I mean, so there's other factors too that come into play.
But you just said body count matters.
No, it does matter.
But like, I'm not, it's, it's not just like one thing.
So, I mean, if it's hard to put it at a precise number.
Also, you know, you are looking at other range.
Above plain and simple.
Plain and simple.
It's a simple question.
The man was too stunned to speak.
So, like, someone around my age, like 30 to 33, I'm going to start raising my eyebrow probably above 20.
Okay.
I'm going to start raising my eyebrow a bit.
Like, no-go deal breaker, probably, like, I want to say more than 30.
Can I ask, what if she was a high-profile person?
Or, like, celebrity?
Oh, yeah.
That's what I was talking about last year.
profile person like what if she other influencers know yeah what if like an influencer who like has like however many million followers on instagram like wanted to go on a date with you and she had a high body count like would that would you take quarrel with that It would go into like clout, I would think.
I mean, I don't, honestly, I don't care about, I don't care about how much money you can.
No, yeah, but I'm saying what if she just has a high body count because she's like famous.
I mean, I don't, I don't think it makes it any worse or better.
But it's like, what if it was over 20 and she was 30 and you guys got to know her?
In fact, I think women who have a lot of status or have a lot of money are probably more picky.
I would think they would be more cautious.
They're more picky.
People talk.
Everyone talks.
I mean, there's probably still some that, you know, have a high body count.
Yeah.
But I mean, yeah, I don't.
Because a lot of people keep this.
Honestly, and like, I don't, a lot of girls who are like super successful, like, they're not, they're not really sliding into guys' DMs like that.
Like a super Drake, he'll slide into, he would slide into a girl on this panel's DM.
Nick Cannon.
Like, like a really successful, high-status, like, social status guy, he'll get with an average girl.
They don't care.
You could be a 19-year-old in college, no money, but if you're attractive and you're good looking, a rich, you know, guy with status could be an NBA player, could be an athlete.
Well, yeah, so would you take quarrel with a girl if she was like, not a celebrity, maybe, what if she was like an actress?
But you're tying it to body count.
Well, because I'm asking, like, would you take quarrel with it if she had a higher body count?
Because of her high status?
Not like because of it, but just because she has more.
No go.
Like, she's saying, like, would it having a high status, would it cancel out the fact that she had a high body count?
What's that?
she's like right is that if she had to cancel it out Yeah, like, would it cancel out?
I don't care about a girl's status at all.
He's saying he doesn't hold standards.
It's just the body count.
For me, how much money a girl makes does not fucking matter.
She could work at Starbucks.
I don't care.
I do not care.
At all.
What's that?
He said 20.
So above 20, you would just be like 30 minus 30.
So here's the thing.
I know we're in 2022.
Like, people will be hooking up.
Hookup culture.
hooking up.
for long-term commitment the lower the better so like i'm gonna be had a pass what like then She had a crazy past.
Not like a crazy past.
It sort of depends, right?
And here's the other thing.
I don't drink.
Well, okay.
I rarely drink.
I rarely drink.
And when I do, it's one drink, two max, a glass of wine, a beer.
So I don't drink a lot.
I don't party.
I don't go to the club.
I don't go to the bar.
That's something I'd want in a partner too.
So, I mean.
So you wouldn't date a girl with the past?
When you say past.
And I saw a comment.
I don't have a past.
I'm just like saying for people who do.
So when you say past, you just mean high body count.
Well, like, maybe they're going through something like what I said earlier.
But it doesn't really matter.
Sort of, okay, to address like what if they were going through something.
As an example, tongue-tied, English is my first language.
First?
Wait.
What do you speak?
You've said that multiple times.
English is my second language.
What's your first?
French.
I speak a bit of French.
I was born in France.
Oh, that's cool.
Okay.
Sorry.
Sorry.
He just said it.
So for example, like, I would not want to date a woman who's a single mother.
You wouldn't?
I would not want to date.
What if it was a widow?
What if it was a widow situation?
That's what I was going to say.
I was going to get to that.
So whether it's a girl who she just, you know, got knocked up, baby daddy dipped, whatever it is, versus she's a widow, it doesn't, that doesn't.
But she can't control either one of those.
Baby daddy leaves, she can't control that.
Baby daddy controls.
At this point, we're just trying to convince him out of his own preference.
That's true.
It's okay.
Like, you guys can ask questions.
It's totally fine.
No, right, but I see like where you're coming from because it's like no matter what it is, at the end of the day, his preference is a low body.
But bringing it back to the single mother thing, whether she's a widow, whether, you know.
Like you just wouldn't date her at all?
Well, it's because there would be, and I don't recommend men dating single mothers because the fact of the matter is, like, a girl who does not have a child, she's going to be incredibly, incredibly busy, probably more stressed than would a childless mom or sorry, woman.
And she might have expectations that in a long-term relationship, she's going to want you to financially support.
But the thing is, is that you coming in as a guy who's not the biological father, like, and I've, I've really, I've went on like one or two dates with girls who are single moms.
it's impossible to they'll flake last minute it's impossible which i you're speaking out of like experience Experience.
It's not just.
I've never had a, like, I've never, I don't think I've even slept with a girl who's had a but I've been on two dates with single moms and try to arrange a second date, flaked like, oh, my, my kid has this thing.
I got, sorry, 30 minutes.
I'm already at the place or whatever.
You know, I'm already waiting.
So scheduling-wise, it's a pain in the ass.
Do you think in your age range, it's harder to find?
No, there's a lot of single people.
But no, there's a lot of single people.
Babies.
I feel like, you know, in 30s, I feel like it's maybe harder to find a girl unless she chose not to be a mom.
Honestly, there's a lot of.
Really?
Because I know like for us, it's like we always put a time on it, but I think time starts running out.
So girls do have children in their 30s.
I'll say this.
There's a lot of women that have focused on their career and have put finding a relationship and having a family second.
So, I mean, there's a lot, a lot of women in my age range even that don't have any kids.
But I mean, I'm, I'll, most of my recent relationships have been with people around my age, like, I want to say between 29, 28, 29 to 34 in that age range.
But, like, I'm willing to, I'll date younger.
I would actually say it's my preference to date someone younger.
So, word.
So, how did we get on to the single mom thing?
I forgot.
I don't know.
I was giving an example.
We're talking about like body count.
Body count.
Dating and social stuff.
Yeah, no, but honestly, so there's a couple other reasons why not to date a single mom.
I mean, first, like, in her hierarchy of what she's paying attention to, and like, you're down here.
You're going to be way lower.
So, I mean, whereas if you're dating a girl who doesn't have a kid, you might be her second priority.
You know, they're going to be, maybe their career is their first priority.
Maybe not.
But, like, you're always going to come after the kid.
So, and I don't have kids.
So, and the kid's not mine.
And so, I don't know.
It's just a big headache.
And then, oh, but you couldn't, you wouldn't be able to discipline.
If she expects you to provide financially, if you're in a long-term relationship, but it's still her kid, so she's probably going to have an issue if you need to discipline the kid.
So you have all the responsibility, but none of the authority that would normally come with being a father.
So to me, that's slavery.
No.
If you have responsibility, but no authority, to me, that's slavery.
I'm being a bit extra.
I mean, we might go over, but I was just going to say personally, if I did have a child and the father was absent and somebody came in and was willing to help and take on responsibility, yes, there would be some fine lines that you can't cross, but, you know, if you are going to take on that responsibility and you want to be in my child's life, then yeah, I am going to treat you like the dad if that is the responsibility you want to take on.
But if not, it's totally fine as well.
You can walk away.
And well, the other thing, too, is once a woman has a child with someone, like there's a greater likelihood that the bio dad is involved and that messies the relationship that you'd have with her.
And then she's maybe wanting to, you know, reconcile the relationship with a bio dad.
And then he's around.
And if it's shared custody, he's coming by.
Maybe she has resentment.
And I've been through it.
I've been through it.
And as a guy who does not have a kid, like, why would I put myself in a situation where, to me, that is not a when I have other choices, why would I pick what is essentially a detrimental choice in a partner when I could date a woman who doesn't have any other kids?
I'm just speaking because I've been through both scenarios.
You have a kid?
No, I don't have a kid.
I have dated somebody who does.
And I went through the whole messy situation.
Me and her are good.
Now, me and him aren't together, but me and her are good.
We've grown a relationship.
Wait, was it a relationship with a woman?
No, I was with the guy.
You were with the guy, and I see it.
Okay.
Yeah.
It was messy at first.
Everything settled down, but I'm just telling you my viewpoint from being on both sides of it.
I was, you know, so it's like, I know, I'm not a mom, but listening to her side of the story, I know completely how she felt.
With him, it was like, it was just a whole mess, but I can see both sides.
Where as the person where it's like, you don't know what you're walking into.
And then the one with the child, it's like, you know, you want that family, but at the same time, it's going to create a mess.
If the person said who doesn't want to be the dad, you know, it's just, yeah.
And also the other thing, not to sound like a total ruthless asshole, but like if you're dating a single mother and you're dating her for a long time and you're like a genuinely good dude, you will get an attachment to the kid.
If you're like, you know, helping take care of the kid or whatever, if the kid is starting to view you as the father figure and you're helping take care of him, if that relationship ends, you have like, you know, you're going to not only be up kind of sad about the end of the relationship, but also there's this kid that you've built a bond with.
And when you're just, you're not the bio dad, you have, you'd have no rights there.
I'm not saying that a guy should if he's not the biodad, but what I'm saying is it's sort of like a double breakup in a way.
Like you've, in the same way, if they had like a dog or something and you got really attached to the dog and you really liked their dog or something.
I don't know if any of you have dated, you're looking at me like this guy's fucking crazy.
I will no, but like if you if you had a partner, if you had a partner and they had a dog, it was their dog, clearly, and it's kind of like you really like the dog, you know, you really like the dog, and then, oh, you break up, okay, you never see the dog again, you know?
So, um.
Can I say too, I will say, I'm so I'm from Nevada, but in the state of Nevada, and I'm not sure the exact like timeline, but if you are with a pregnant woman and the child is not yours and you're there with her when she gives labor and you're with her for six months after the child is born, you legally become the, like in like some sort of legal situation, you become the father in the legal stance.
Totally.
Like I would have to say, yeah, but it's a custody thing.
It's a custody thing.
All right, guys, don't date pregnant women.
In Nevada.
Nevada, I guess.
Well, I mean...
And don't quote me on the timing.
Don't quote me on the right thing, but my mom is CPS.
She told me about this stuff.
But yeah, if you're with a woman and she's having a child, you're with her when she has the child, and you stay with her six months after the child and the father is not in the picture, you're now in the picture and your name now becomes under that.
So when you leave, you're still legally responsible for that child's support.
Okay.
Word.
Mom, if you're seeing this.
Really quick, just around the panel.
Would you guys date?
Most of you are pretty young here, so I mean, would you date a guy who has a kid?
No.
When you could date, I mean, I don't think any of you would have trouble finding a guy who doesn't have that sort of, sorry to say this baggage.
Would you, you can find very easily a guy who doesn't have a kid.
So would you date a guy who has a kid?
No.
I have.
You have?
Okay.
I would.
Okay.
Not now.
Seeing that I have a boyfriend, I don't really see you.
Okay.
Let's say if you were single before your boyfriend.
I would say, I mean, it also depends on my age, but right now, no, maybe later on it could change.
Potentially.
I also agree, maybe later on in life.
Yeah.
Later on.
Okay, fair enough.
Fair enough.
Last super chat here.
MD with the Mexican Pesos, apparently.
What is the definition of minus body count?
What?
Sorry, dude.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Minus body count?
Is this a math question?
I said, skip it.
Yeah.
Thanks for the 40, though.
For the 40?
How much can anyone convert?
How many?
I think it's like $2 or something.
Okay, got it.
Thank you very much.
Okay, so I think we all did final thoughts.
Should I give my take?
Final take?
What time is it?
Oh.
Yeah, we should probably, we're going to wrap up.
We're going to wrap up.
For her sake.
It's fine.
Okay, it's okay.
She texted the boss.
So, you know, I think.
So I think here's the thing is, like, if you asked a lot of men also in your life, like, or if you asked a guy who you were dating, I think a lot of guys are not like, oh, does body count matter?
Do you care?
Most guys are going to be like, no, baby, I don't care.
But I think like deep down, men would have an issue with someone who has a high body count.
There are outliers.
There are guys who are polyamorous.
There are guys who are swingers.
They probably don't care.
There are guys who are cucks who probably invite the more the better, right?
But I'd say the vast majority of men and probably the majority of men that you're attracted to are going to have an issue if you have a promiscuous past.
So the thing is, men cannot truly be honest with their thoughts because it kind of goes against political correctness, the narrative.
I think if men were honest with how they thought, you know, their dating preferences, it almost certainly is met with contempt, reprisal, disdain, mockery, shaming language.
I mean, we did the small penis thing, small dick, you know, accusations of being an incel, insecure, toxic, misogynist, small dick, patriarchy.
Yeah, we're not going to get into that.
So, you know, I think women are entitled to their preferences, standards, and boundaries.
I think men are entitled to their preferences, preferences, standards, and boundaries.
I think the preferences, standards, and boundaries that men have are different than those that women have.
I don't think that there's a symmetry in what people find attractive and what people want in a partner.
And word.
Word.
Anyone, really, anyone want to come in?
My head hurts.
Yeah, it's been a long time.
Okay, so we're going to wrap up here.
Just want to see real quick if we have any final super chats.
No, I don't think we do.
Okay, so thank you for tuning in tonight, guys.
It was a very, I think it was a good little discussion.
I really appreciate you guys coming on and giving your insights into everything.
So yeah, thank you again, guys, for tuning in.
You could have been doing anything else, but you're here with me.