Murdering Favorite Topics
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All I do is smash heads, bro.
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That's what they want you to think.
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That's what they want you to think.
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That is what they want you to think.
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That is what they want you to think.
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And you to think.
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We're getting back.
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To murder all of your favorite topics.
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We got it.
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Yeah.
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Wait for it.
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Prostitutes getting murdered, chopped into a million pieces.
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Was it the work of one man or two men, or was it a member of the royal family?
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All right, I gotta cut this off.
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You'll just have to wait.
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Hey, welcome back to First Point.
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Sorry.
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God.
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Yeah.
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Dude, here's why I had to cut that off.
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Yeah.
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You're just telling the whole story in the intro.
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That was basically like, you know, uh.
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You want to re-record it?
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No, it was great.
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Uh, do you know, you remember like Will Smith whenever you do songs for soundtracks?
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Yeah.
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You just tell the plot of the movie?
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It's perfect.
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Like Wild Wild West is just the plot of the movie.
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Guess what?
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Still saw Men in Black and still loved it.
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Yeah, I know, but it's like, come on, man.
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He really was like, I remember that too though for the Bobby Brown, uh, Ghostbusters 2 theme song.
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Yeah.
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They in control.
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You, you, you know it.
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I don't even remember that song.
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Like, he did the whole, he did the whole song.
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I do like a good storytelling song.
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Loveless, he didn't have a dime, nothing less.
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Now I must put his behind to the test.
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From the start of this, with Artemis, run in the game.
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Is that from the pursuit of happiness?
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That's, yep, that's from Rain Over Me.
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That was Jamie Foxx.
Plotting Movie Soundtracks
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Shit, I'm sorry.
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Oh, nevermind.
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Uh, Marty, welcome back.
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This is, that's what they want you to think.
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Dan, it's good to be back.
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Uh, I have, I have, uh, just been overwhelmed by all the, Outcry of support and love we got for that fluoride episode.
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The fluoride babies are coming out of the woodwork.
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Oh, man.
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Yeah, it's us.
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Who knew?
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Yeah, I mean, I know we got some positive feedback, but also people want us to get back to what we do best, which is talking about murder.
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They said, guys, if we want to hear about fucking water, we'll listen to the water podcasts.
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Which, by the way, you should check out on iTunes.
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The water podcast is amazing.
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They did a propel episode.
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Oh, yeah.
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Holy shit.
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Yeah, propel.
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What's up with that?
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That was a great episode.
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Yeah.
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But no, this is.
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I don't know.
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I think we're at our best when we're talking about.
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Did you hear the Perrier?
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Perrier!
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Perrier or Perrier?
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Nay.
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I do think we're at our best when we're talking about murder.
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Creepy, spooky things.
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Speaking of which, we talked about this in passing on the last episode, but I wanted to hear a little bit more about it.
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Recently, you went to the Gathering of the Juggalos.
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I did.
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Now, does this have any conspiracy implications, do you think?
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Do you think it's a psyop?
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Do you think it's a honeypot?
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Please explain.
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You don't know what a honeypot is?
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No.
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Basically, it would be like when a really attractive woman would seduce a spy for the government and then try and get information or murder them.
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No.
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It's like you try and attract people that you're targeting to a place so you can.
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Well, if that was the case.
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No, it was very interesting.
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It showed me.
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So you don't think it's a honeypot?
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No.
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No.
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I think it's almost a utopia.
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Conspiracy websites are often considered to be honeypots because you bring in all the like minded people and now you can tag them.
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Now we get to it.
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Basically, yeah.
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It was interesting.
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It's in Ohio now.
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It was in Illinois.
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The police presence there was much more laid back.
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In Illinois.
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In Illinois.
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Back in the cave in rock days.
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Yeah.
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In Illinois, it was the cops were not allowed on the property.
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It was private property.
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So they would just post up outside.
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They would post up, and we, meaning me and my wrestler friends, would leave for the night.
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We had a hotel, then we'd come back in the morning.
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You didn't want to camp out?
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No.
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We had a hotel.
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You're a weirdo.
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We had a hotel.
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Why don't you get the immersive experience?
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Let's get a shower.
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Let's relax.
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You don't want to shower in Faygo?
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I do not want to shower in Faygo.
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But when we would leave, they would go, hey, by the way, there's fluoride in Faygo.
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There's fluoride in the Faygo.
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So they would be like, what are you guys doing?
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Are you leaving?
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Are you guys fucked up or not?
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You know, and then we would leave.
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This place in Ohio, Thornsville, Ohio, the cops were on the premises.
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And I mean, you had people with signs like cocaine, marijuana.
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The cops didn't do anything?
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No.
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One girl was arrested.
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Okay.
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This was great, too.
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What was she doing?
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Well, we went up to the cops and we go, hey, can we ask you a question?
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And they're like, sure.
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We're like, what did you arrest that girl for earlier today?
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And they go, she got in a fight, which I saw zero fights.
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That's amazing.
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I guarantee a Lollapalooza there were fights.
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Oh, for sure.
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I guarantee it.
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You don't fight with family.
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You don't.
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And it was fun too because we were watching Violent Jay perform his masterpiece, Wizard of the Hood, which is his sort of ode to Wizard of Oz.
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Stage production value off the charts.
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Wait, it's a play?
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It's essentially a play.
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So it's basically like a concept album?
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Yeah.
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That's amazing.
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And during it, someone shot a firework off kind of close to us, and everyone turned around, like if you were the guy who lit it off, everyone's like, hey, That's not cool.
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And the guy was like, I didn't do it.
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And then one guy goes, I saw you do it.
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That is not cool.
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And he just goes, You're right.
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I'm sorry.
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That's interesting that this lawless society over time has created its own self policing.
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It was very interesting.
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And there were nights where it would be like three in the morning and I was walking around and I kind of went, This might just be the future.
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You know what I mean?
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Like it was very post apocalyptic.
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There's a commune aspect to it.
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You have to tell me that only pops up once a year.
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And for some reason or for some, somehow throughout their.
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Almost 20 years now, they have sort of instituted some rules and some sort of common rules.
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Rules, really?
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Where it's like.
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That's permission for the Nedden hole.
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The what hole?
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You don't know about Nedden?
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What's Nedden?
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You've been to the gathering of the Juggalos twice and you don't know about Nedden?
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What's Nedden?
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That's their slang for puss, bro.
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Oh, okay.
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Talking about Neddens.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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I'm a ninja.
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Gotta get up in that Nedden.
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Oh, that's why so many women were asking me if I'd enjoyed it.
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Getting that netting.
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Yeah.
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I didn't know what they were talking about.
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No.
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You're like, what?
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Are you talking about a hammock?
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Netting?
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That was the other thing.
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I was just like, it's so hot here.
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Who's fucking?
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It was so hot.
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Everybody.
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But I'll say this about the Juggalos.
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I don't believe you didn't bang some Juggalos.
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No.
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No.
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What?
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No.
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Once again.
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Marty's winking at me as he says no.
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Shut up.
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I am not.
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Once again, I'll say this about the Juggalos.
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Yeah.
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Free water.
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The water was prevalent.
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That's amazing because most festivals don't do that kind of shit at all.
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Yeah, man.
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They want to gouge you.
What Is Nedden
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They were like, hey, it's real hot here.
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So there's free water at this location, this location.
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I mean, Also, the food was reasonably priced.
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It was, it was, I enjoyed it.
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That's great.
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And you could bring your own food if you wanted.
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It's amazing that you have such positive things to say considering you got fired.
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The only negative thing I will say is I was unceremoniously fired by Violent J.
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The way you described it, because you talked about this on your podcast, Wrestling with Depression, a little bit.
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And the way it sounded to me was that he, Violent J didn't know you were even gonna be there.
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I was, yeah, here's what I think happened.
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Uh, I think happened Here's what I think happened.
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Yeah, Violent J was unaware that I was hired to be the ring announcer for Friday and Saturday's Juggalo Championship Wrestling festivities.
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JC Dub.
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JC Dub.
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Friday was Officer Colt Cabana in appearance.
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He was.
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Yeah.
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And I got fired right before I got to announce him, which is kind of a bummer because I thought that would have been a fun little thing.
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So, I was ring announcing Friday night.
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That wasn't tape.
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That was just for the live crowd.
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It was awesome.
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It was real fun.
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And then the next day was the one that was to be recorded for DVD sales.
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And we're rolling.
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I'm getting the hang of it.
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I flubbed a couple things here and there.
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It's interesting to be out of your element when you're used to doing a couple things that you're like, I can podcast.
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I can perform stand up.
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You get a little like, ooh, this is a little different and try and get stuffed in.
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Doing the announcing is a lot of pressure because you're actually responding to.
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Things right also, wrestlers, especially in these, a lot of these new wrestlers, ask me like where I'm from, what's my weight, or whatever.
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Ask me, like, you're the ring announcer, which you should be.
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Uh, Chicago, Illinois, what's your weight?
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173 pounds.
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Okay, all right, here's every guy there.
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Uh, what's your weight?
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Oh, no, no, oh, sorry, where are you from?
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Uh, from the deepest regions of your mind's depths of Satan.
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Yikes, how much do you weigh?
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Uh, 173 and one quarter and a half.
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pounds.
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I'm just like, bro, you're fucking killing me.
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One guy goes, you have to say and a quarter or otherwise I'll get hurt and that'll be on you.
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I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ.
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Wait, like, he was saying that you jinxed him and he was doing 204 and one quarter pounds.
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I'm like, girl, he's, but if you got, you gotta say and a quarter because if you don't, I'll get hurt and that's fucking on you.
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Well, you know why he was saying that is because he knew that his opponent would have to prepare for that quarter pounds.
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Yeah.
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And if he didn't, he would misjudge some of his moves.
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Yeah.
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And that quarter really, I mean, that was also the other day I realized how dumb I am.
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I go, God, I go, uh, I go half.
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A quarter.
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I go, God, I wish there was something in between.
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Well, there might be a few fractions.
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Yeah, I know.
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You know, it's fun, though.
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That quarter is just, that's a burger right there.
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Yeah, man.
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Perfect.
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Yeah.
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Perfect.
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Quarter pounder is perfect.
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You don't need to be just big.
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I'm not a big burger guy.
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You don't want the monster burger?
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Nope.
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Not interested.
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You don't want the angry whopper?
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I am ring announcing night two.
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We are off to a ruckus start.
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When you say ring announcing, you're doing the Michael Buffers.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the following contest is a three way lightbulb match scheduled for one fall.
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The only way to win is to smash a light bulb over it.
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Man, the light bulb matches.
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That sounds horrifying.
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So I'm doing that.
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Everything's good.
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And then I was told there was going to be some violent Jay will be showing up at some point.
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I was told he's going to induct Rude Boy into the JCW Hall of Fame.
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Wow, that's a big moment.
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Basically, I'd be handing off the mic to them.
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And then there was some idea too of they have a regular ring announcer named Legs Diamond.
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Okay.
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And he's a juggle, he's a psychopathic recording artist.
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Psychopathic records recording, not a psychopathic recording artist.
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Maybe there's overlap.
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Yeah, that would be, uh, I'm trying to think of who's a maniac.
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Uh, anybody killer?
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Sure.
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Maybe?
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Sure.
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Uh, so I am, uh, I'm, I'm told that he might come to do the main event.
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I'm like, no problem.
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Uh, and then they're like, so then we're getting ready.
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And there's a little chaos, you know, there's a little like, oh, they're not ready yet.
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This is going to happen now.
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Violent J can only be there for a certain amount of time.
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He's got to go do other stuff.
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I can't imagine how intense it would be to announce Violent J. At the gathering.
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Well, I got to, I got to introduce Shaggy Toodope.
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That's still pretty intense.
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He's one of the ring announcers along with Kevin Gill.
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Uh, and, and, uh, Kevin's a buddy of mine who's a podcaster as well.
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He's the co host of Conan's podcast.
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Okay.
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He has his own podcast.
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Uh, so I'm out there, I'm doing my job, and then I come backstage.
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I would kind of go backstage, check in, everybody ready to go.
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Uh, and, and then I'm told, uh, uh, I hear like, that's, that's him.
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That's Marty.
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Ooh.
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Violent Jacob's walking over.
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You never want to hear that.
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Violent Jacob's walking over to me.
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Come here.
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Come here.
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I'm like, hey, what's up?
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And he's like, I don't know who the fuck you are.
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Oof.
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But you're done.
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In this business.
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Yeah, basically.
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And he's like, our ring announcer is Legs Diamond.
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He's been our ring announcer since day one.
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And I'm just like, and he's like, I don't know who told you you were the ring announcer.
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Like, I just fucking went in there and decided, hey, you know what I'm going to do?
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Like, I tied up Legs Diamond.
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Yeah.
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And I've got a fucking sock in his mouth and duct tape, you know what I mean, around it.
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Yeah.
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So I'm just like, you jumped him and stole his shirt.
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Sure.
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Like, oh, like, they pull my mask off.
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You ain't Legs Diamond.
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And also.
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Hey, I'm trying to be a little huskier and the voice got a little bit of a huskier voice.
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He does.
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And he goes, uh, I don't know who the fuck you are.
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And I've heard you've been doing a fine job.
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Oh, that's nice of him.
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He's doing a great job.
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I don't care.
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That's regardless.
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Legs is the ring announcer.
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And I'm like, okay.
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At least he gave you that sort of like, but then we were having this little miscommunique where I think he thought I was upset.
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And I was like, okay, I don't think he can hear great because of all the years of performing.
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And Vicodin.
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And he goes, don't get, like in wrestling, it's don't get hot.
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Uh huh.
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Don't get mad.
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Don't get hot.
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I'm like, I'm not, I'm totally fine.
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I think he saw your tattoos.
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I know you're getting, I was wearing a sport coat.
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Oh.
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I know you're getting mad.
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Don't get mad.
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I'm like, I'm not mad.
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You're mad.
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I'm like, I'm not mad.
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My favorite thing in the world is when someone is trying to talk you down when they're not mad.
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And I go.
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That's just gonna make you mad.
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Cause in my mind, I'm like, cool, I could take all this shit off, it's a thousand degrees, and I can go sit on the side of the stage and watch my friends wrestle.
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Yeah.
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Fuck yeah.
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The more important question I have is, was he in makeup when he wrestled?
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Yes, and then I'm watching, and then, and then, as this is happening, I'm going, I'm getting fucking fired by a man.
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In white clown makeup.
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And the surreal.
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And I'm like, and I'm looking, I'm like, he even paints the beard.
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Like, the beard's even painted.
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Like, this is fucked up.
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It would be so surreal to be, first of all, fired by a guy in clown makeup.
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But then the second part of it is like, don't get mad.
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I know.
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The clown being like, that's up there with, it looks cool.
► 00:14:04
That's up there with you leaving like a bar and someone's like, yeah, get out of here.
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And you're like, I am leaving.
► 00:14:09
I already want to leave.
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Now I have to stay.
► 00:14:10
Yeah.
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Just to prove a point.
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You're getting punked for no reason.
► 00:14:13
Right.
► 00:14:13
But that's probably not his intent.
► 00:14:16
Probably.
► 00:14:16
I know.
► 00:14:16
And I get it too.
► 00:14:17
Yeah.
► 00:14:18
I get it.
► 00:14:19
It would be no different than if we were having, like, you know, the, the 10 year anniversary of Comedians You Should Know.
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And I was like, why isn't one of us hosting the show?
► 00:14:27
Yeah.
► 00:14:27
You know, like, why, why is this new person hosting the show?
► 00:14:29
Maybe they're a new member of Comedians You Should Know.
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And, uh, you know, the, the, the.
► 00:14:33
Listen, I don't know who the fuck you are.
► 00:14:37
Marty, that, by the way, is like, that's like a year and a half away, right?
► 00:14:41
Yeah, 10 years is fast approaching.
► 00:14:43
But I was just kind of like, okay, this is totally fine.
► 00:14:45
And it was just one of those, and what I talked about when I was discussing this, On wrestling with depression, was years ago that would have sent me into a bit of a tailspin.
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Sure.
► 00:14:54
I would have felt disrespected.
► 00:14:56
I would have felt, ooh.
► 00:14:57
Years ago, you might have gotten hot.
► 00:14:59
I might have gotten hot, Dane.
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It's possible.
► 00:15:01
I might have.
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Or anybody else who was in that position who would see it as, like, this is my next step or something like that.
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And I know that this, and maybe this is a bit of a, I'm not trying to be a brag or whatever, but this isn't the biggest thing I've ever done.
► 00:15:17
It's not like you were like, hey, Marty, we're going to put you on TV to do stand up.
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And then right before I did it, they're like, I don't know who the fuck you are, but you're not doing this.
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That would have been different.
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All comedian is Legs Diamond.
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Right, If, like, yeah, if, you know, I'm about to.
► 00:15:29
Conan is Legs Diamond.
► 00:15:29
I'm about to go out on Conan and he's like, I don't know who the fuck you are, but you're not Legs Diamond.
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He's gonna go out there and perform.
► 00:15:35
I would love it if for the rest of your life that's just a runner and Legs Diamond keeps taking away your opportunities.
► 00:15:41
I know, and then I, then I Googled Legs Diamond.
► 00:15:42
I had to see what this deal, what this guy's deal is.
► 00:15:45
Uh huh.
► 00:15:45
Uh, I love what they did here, or what he did here.
► 00:15:47
Legs with a Z?
► 00:15:48
Legs with a Z. Love it.
► 00:15:50
The original Legs Diamond.
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Old gangster.
► 00:15:52
Really?
► 00:15:53
Love it.
► 00:15:53
I love that.
► 00:15:54
Okay, yeah.
► 00:15:55
Hats off to you, Legs Diamond.
► 00:15:56
Sure, like Carlton Fisk.
► 00:15:58
Sure.
► 00:15:58
Wait, that was a baseball player, right?
► 00:15:59
Yeah.
► 00:16:00
Never mind.
► 00:16:00
There was a rapper named Carlton Fisk.
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I loved it.
► 00:16:03
Yeah, I like that.
► 00:16:03
I like the repurposed names.
► 00:16:05
Especially when it's someone like Legs Diamond is not Bugsy Malone.
► 00:16:09
Right.
► 00:16:09
Like Al Capone.
► 00:16:11
It's good on so many levels.
► 00:16:12
Sweet spot.
► 00:16:13
Like, I imagine him with a notebook being like, I got a couple names here I'm going to throw at you guys.
► 00:16:16
And then one of them was Legs Diamond.
► 00:16:18
Right.
► 00:16:18
And they're like, What was that all about?
► 00:16:20
Oh, he was a gangster, German gangster in the.
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Don't get hot.
► 00:16:24
Don't get hot.
► 00:16:25
Now I'm just imagining Violent J assuming everyone's mad all the time.
► 00:16:29
I know.
► 00:16:30
His name is Violent J.
► 00:16:32
Yeah, can I get a number two with no cheese?
► 00:16:36
Don't get hot.
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And then you're supposed to come back at me like, What would you like to drink?
Repurposed Gangster Names
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I'm sorry.
► 00:16:41
What would you like to drink?
► 00:16:41
Can I.
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Oh, don't get hot.
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See, now my mind, remember.
► 00:16:45
You're coming at me all wrong.
► 00:16:46
Do you remember the McDLT?
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Yeah, I do.
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With half on, cold on one side, hot and cold.
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Don't get hot.
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Don't let it hot.
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Leave the lettuce, the tomato, the bun on that side.
► 00:16:55
Yeah.
► 00:16:56
Well, I'm sorry that that happened, but I'm glad it sounded like a really awesome time.
► 00:17:00
Ah.
► 00:17:00
You know, other than that.
► 00:17:01
Other than that.
► 00:17:02
And even the firing has led to some really funny things.
► 00:17:06
You know, like that story is hilarious.
► 00:17:08
That's something that will work its way into my stand up comedy routine, my sketch.
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Don't get hot can be a quote for maybe the rest of your life.
► 00:17:15
Don't get hot.
► 00:17:16
Don't get hot.
► 00:17:17
Also, I'm looking at him like, God, you've lost a lot of weight.
► 00:17:18
You look great.
► 00:17:19
That's great.
► 00:17:21
Also, he was like, yeah.
► 00:17:23
What?
► 00:17:25
He was bickering with this girl backstage, too.
► 00:17:28
He had a lot of stuff going on.
► 00:17:29
I'm bad.
► 00:17:30
Also, this is this guy's festival.
► 00:17:32
He's in charge of it.
► 00:17:32
He had a million things going on.
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It's a billion dollar operation.
► 00:17:36
Then some jack offs ring announcing who he doesn't want to ring announce.
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I understand.
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Yeah, for sure.
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You know what I understand?
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It's time for us to get to the business at hand.
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Yes.
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That's what.
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I can't think of the year.
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1888, ladies and gentlemen.
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We take you back to 1888.
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Do you remember the first time you heard of Jack the Ripper?
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No.
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I remember.
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I'm sorry that my answer does not lead to a good story, but no, I don't.
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I remember a CBS miniseries back in the day when I was a little kid.
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My mom let me watch it, and I remember being like, whoa.
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So you're a wee baby Marty.
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It was definitely one of the early.
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Sort of tastes I got into the world of serial killers.
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It's sort of like one of the first times you realize this shit can happen.
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And being like, yum, yum, yum, I want more.
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Whoa.
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Like I was like, I was fucking into this.
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I remember even being like, can I go to the library and get a book on Jack the Ripper?
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Like I was like, this is fascinating.
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So you had like a taste for the macabre even as a very young boy.
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Yes, but what I think helped was there was a bit of a disconnect with it being in the 1800s and you got your, you know, how.
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Horse-drawn carriages, and it's London, it's not Cherville, Indiana.
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So it didn't seem to me.
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You had horse-drawn carriages in Cherville.
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We did not.
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No one could afford a car.
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We had no brick streets or whatever, cobblestone streets.
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No, it was, to me, it was just kind of like, it's, it was like.
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It's a whole other world.
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It was another world.
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It was, it might as well have been watching Star Wars.
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Yeah.
► 00:19:28
I had the same thing, but, uh, what really resonated for me when I was a kid was like, uh, people getting lost on islands.
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Like Robinson Caruso, Swiss Family Robinson, that's what it was.
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As primitive as can be.
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Sure, Gilligan, even though that show frustrated me to no end.
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I fucking hated that show.
► 00:19:43
It's like, what the fuck?
► 00:19:45
Marianne's so much hotter, first of all.
► 00:19:47
Yeah.
► 00:19:47
They should just tie up Gilligan.
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You ruined everything.
► 00:19:51
You ruined everything.
► 00:19:52
No.
► 00:19:52
Every single plan they have gets screwed up by Gilligan.
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Take him out of the equation.
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You don't have to kill him, but lock him up.
► 00:19:57
Yeah.
► 00:19:58
Anyway, I had deep fantasies of going to an island and just being left there or something.
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Yeah.
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My fantasies are about being left alone.
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That's basically it.
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But murder for me wasn't as viscerally as it is for you, apparently.
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Yeah.
► 00:20:15
I really do remember it.
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And I remember just like being like, wow, this is fascinating.
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Was it a function of fear for you?
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I think fear, but also like, I want more.
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I want more.
► 00:20:28
Like, I think it was probably like, wow, this is actually a thing.
► 00:20:32
Who was your favorite serial killer growing up?
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Did you have one?
► 00:20:35
Well, as a kid, I think definitely I probably talked about Jack the Ripper quite a bit.
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But I think, like, I remember.
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Were you an Ed Gein man?
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I was not an Ed Gein guy.
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Okay.
► 00:20:49
I was not an Ed Gein guy.
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Uh, I was, I was big on, um, uh, fish.
► 00:20:56
No, uh, I would always, cause being from Chicago, um, the lipstick killer, Spectre.
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Oh, no, not the lipstick killer.
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You just fucking opened my mind up to that one.
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We freaked a lot of people out with that one.
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Yeah.
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Down the street, my man.
► 00:21:10
Um, who's the, who's the sorority killer?
► 00:21:12
The, the guy who was the, Green River killer?
► 00:21:14
No, Uh, oh man, I can't, I'm fucking freezing on his name.
► 00:21:17
I got nothing.
► 00:21:19
Uh, Spec, uh, Richard Spec?
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Hold on.
► 00:21:22
Um, so anyway, he like slaughtered a whole fucking, Um, Richard Speck slaughtered.
► 00:21:28
You think of Spectre?
► 00:21:29
No, no, no.
► 00:21:30
Oh.
► 00:21:30
Richard Speck slaughtered a whole fucking, uh, sorority house.
► 00:21:36
How?
► 00:21:38
Uh, he just went from room to room.
► 00:21:41
Yeah.
► 00:21:42
So it was functioning as a dormitory for student nurses, armed with only a knife.
► 00:21:46
Um, damn.
► 00:21:47
So he murdered them.
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I just basically went from, like, room to room.
► 00:21:50
He was high on both alcohol and drugs.
► 00:21:52
Uh, he made originally just, uh, was gonna do a routine burglary, but.
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And he helped.
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He changed his plans pretty hard.
► 00:21:59
Spec held the women in a room for hours, leading them out one by one, stabbing or strangling them to death, then finally raping and strangling his last victim.
► 00:22:07
So, Spec now, but then, that's horrible.
► 00:22:10
But then, and I remember this as a young kid, there was a video that came out of him in prison, and he was taking hormones.
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He had breasts.
► 00:22:25
He was getting all fucked up, and they were like, he was trying to transition, or some people thought he was like punishing him.
► 00:22:31
It was really weird shit.
► 00:22:32
But anyway, I remember seeing that and being like, whoa.
► 00:22:35
And then I remember, you know, hold on.
► 00:22:40
Yeah, like, there was a video they found from an anonymous attorney, and this was a big Bill Curtis.
► 00:22:49
Bill Curtis.
► 00:22:50
He was a big Chicago news guy.
► 00:22:51
He's the guy who was on as the narrator of Anchorman.
► 00:22:54
Oh, okay.
► 00:22:55
Yeah, yeah.
► 00:22:56
Anyway, you know, they were just like this video of them in prison, just doing drugs.
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Money was.
► 00:23:04
Being passed around.
► 00:23:05
Wait, Bill and him?
► 00:23:06
No, no, no, no.
► 00:23:07
He reported about this.
► 00:23:08
Oh, I thought my mind went to Bill Curtis and this guy.
► 00:23:11
Richard Specks in the middle performing oral sex on another inmate.
► 00:23:16
They're doing cocaine.
► 00:23:17
He's got silk panties on.
► 00:23:20
It was very weird.
► 00:23:22
That's not how prison should be.
► 00:23:24
They were smuggling in hormones to him.
► 00:23:25
But anyway, so that was a thing.
► 00:23:28
And then I remember hearing.
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I don't know how that has never come to my attention.
► 00:23:31
That's a crazy story.
► 00:23:32
Oh, yeah.
► 00:23:33
And I think my mom.
► 00:23:34
We should have done that instead of fluoride.
► 00:23:36
Yeah, I know.
► 00:23:37
And then I think my mom, like.
► 00:23:40
Told me about that one one time, and I was like, woo, that's weird.
► 00:23:44
And then I don't know how, like, I was at the right age for Dahmer.
► 00:23:48
Sure.
► 00:23:49
And then my brother was living in Milwaukee at the time, and it was kind of like, whoa.
► 00:23:52
And Dahmer was such an against type of the serial killer stories we hear.
► 00:23:58
Yeah.
► 00:23:58
I was big on Ted Bundy.
► 00:24:00
I remember hearing about Bundy because I liked King Kong Bundy.
► 00:24:03
So the name rang a bell.
► 00:24:05
Bundy was the clown, right?
► 00:24:07
No.
► 00:24:08
Who's the clown?
► 00:24:09
Doink.
► 00:24:10
No.
► 00:24:11
Not King Kong Bundy, the murderer.
► 00:24:12
Pogo the clown?
► 00:24:13
I'm talking about the murderer.
► 00:24:14
John Wayne Gacy?
► 00:24:15
That's it, sorry.
► 00:24:16
That shows my brain fart in terms of.
► 00:24:20
As much as we've covered weird death and stuff like that, it's really not my biggest cup of tea.
► 00:24:26
Watching shows about stuff like true crime and murder stuff often makes me feel a bit uncomfortable.
► 00:24:32
I mean, not a pleasant uncomfortable.
► 00:24:34
The show Fear, that makes me uncomfortable in a pleasant way.
► 00:24:37
Watching kids freak out in abandoned buildings and stuff, that's fun.
► 00:24:42
I. What I think is interesting is that idea that, like, you know, these guys walked among us.
► 00:24:51
Yeah.
► 00:24:51
And, like, in Chicago, if you talk to anybody who's lived here for a while, they'll be like, oh, I had a cousin who got grabbed by Gacy or almost got grabbed by Gacy.
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Sure, sure.
► 00:25:02
I've heard a couple stories like that.
► 00:25:03
Sure.
► 00:25:04
Or Milwaukee, you'll hear some Dahmer related stuff.
► 00:25:08
That's kind of fascinating.
► 00:25:09
I think some of those people are lying.
► 00:25:11
Sure.
► 00:25:12
I think there's a bit of that.
► 00:25:13
Sure.
► 00:25:14
Or it's a bit of, like, You know, could you and I technically say we know somebody who knows this person?
► 00:25:21
Sure.
► 00:25:21
Yeah.
► 00:25:21
Maybe.
► 00:25:22
It's that bacon game, but with murderers.
► 00:25:24
It is.
► 00:25:25
Seven Degrees of Jack the Ripper.
► 00:25:27
Yeah.
► 00:25:27
So, but going back to Jack the Ripper, that at the time, I don't know if my little brain could wrap around the idea that, like, this was a real person, or we'll get into that, but who really murdered people.
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And never was caught.
► 00:25:42
Because I think also at that time, I think.
► 00:25:46
Jack the Ripper and my older brother would tell me.
► 00:25:49
I would kind of ask him about it.
► 00:25:50
He was kind of my Google or my Wikipedia at the time for stuff.
► 00:25:53
And we had encyclopedias, so I could look up stuff in encyclopedias.
► 00:25:56
So, you'd get kind of a sanitized version of some of this stuff, like Jack the Ripper.
► 00:26:02
And I remember kind of thinking, like, oh, there was Dracula, Frankenstein, the Wolfman, Picture from the Black Lagoon, and Jack the Ripper.
► 00:26:10
Yeah, he almost goes into legendary status as opposed to a real thing.
► 00:26:15
Sure.
► 00:26:15
And then I think he's.
► 00:26:16
Well, but I mean, to be fair, Dracula is based on a real person, too, though.
► 00:26:19
I know.
► 00:26:19
And we would have done that if you fuckers voted for it.
► 00:26:21
Yeah.
► 00:26:22
One of these days.
► 00:26:23
And I also remember, like, in comics, I was a big comic book kid growing up.
► 00:26:29
And I do remember there was sort of that cartooned and almost movie version again of Jack the Ripper, top hat, you know, cloak, medicine bag.
► 00:26:40
You know, there were all that.
► 00:26:40
There was kind of that image, if you will, of like Jack the Ripper.
Sanitized Jack the Ripper
00:03:16
► 00:26:44
Yeah.
► 00:26:45
I just had a fun thought, but we have to talk about it off the air.
► 00:26:49
Oh, jeez.
► 00:26:49
I'm sorry.
► 00:26:49
I was distracted.
► 00:26:51
That got dark.
► 00:26:51
No, it's a good thought.
► 00:26:52
Okay.
► 00:26:53
It's a fun idea.
► 00:26:54
Dan, we can't have an island where we murder people.
► 00:26:57
Ah, damn it.
► 00:26:58
All right.
► 00:26:58
Never mind.
► 00:26:59
I'm going back to the subject.
► 00:27:00
So.
► 00:27:01
Jack the Ripper was a real thing, though.
► 00:27:03
Yeah.
► 00:27:03
My man.
► 00:27:04
Sure.
► 00:27:06
He was around in 1888.
► 00:27:08
Hell yeah.
► 00:27:08
In the East End of London.
► 00:27:11
Living in the 80s.
► 00:27:13
It was a trash heap of a place.
► 00:27:15
Yeah.
► 00:27:16
This place was a dump.
► 00:27:17
Throw out your dead.
► 00:27:18
There were just poor people everywhere.
► 00:27:22
And it happened in an area of London called Whitechapel.
► 00:27:25
And as early as the 1500s, Whitechapel was referred to as, quote, the other half of London.
► 00:27:32
It was sort of the place where there were bars, there were slaughterhouses.
► 00:27:37
It was the sort of place that was very not appealing to the rich and the educated.
► 00:27:42
I believe one of the wrestlers at the gathering, I said, Where are you from?
► 00:27:45
And he said, The other side of London.
► 00:27:47
Yeah, here we go.
► 00:27:48
Fucking dick.
► 00:27:49
Hailing from the other side of London.
► 00:27:51
It might be Jack.
► 00:27:52
It might be.
► 00:27:54
In the 1800s, Whitechapel had become basically the definition of what's come to be known as Dickensian London, where it was just poor people.
► 00:28:03
Everywhere.
► 00:28:05
Everything is overcrowded and it is a dump.
► 00:28:08
Everyone is so poor that prostitution took off huge.
► 00:28:12
Sure.
► 00:28:12
At the time.
► 00:28:13
Because poor people gotta fuck.
► 00:28:14
They gotta fuck.
► 00:28:16
And it's a thing where even rich people will go to bad areas to fuck.
► 00:28:19
Yeah.
► 00:28:20
A little legacy.
► 00:28:22
Yeah.
► 00:28:22
There's destination fucking.
► 00:28:23
I mean, we still have sex tourism today.
► 00:28:26
It's just, it's usually people who wanna fuck children in the Philippines or whatever.
► 00:28:29
You know, this has gone off on a bad.
► 00:28:32
Gary Glitter.
► 00:28:32
We know Gary Glitter.
► 00:28:33
Sure.
► 00:28:34
We don't know Gary Glitter.
► 00:28:35
Who were those radio guys?
► 00:28:37
John and Jeff?
► 00:28:38
I don't know.
► 00:28:39
They were these, like, middle of the night radio syndicated guys called John and Jeff.
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Uh huh.
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And they were like, the third shift.
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We're for you, the third shifters out there.
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Hey, stand up, you weirdos.
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And one of them was going over to Thailand for a little vacay.
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So the sex tourism back then was booming.
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They had at least 62 documented brothels just in Whitechapel.
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Jesus.
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And 1,200 prostitutes.
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That's, like, how they do now.
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They do the, like, there's more, like,.
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Marijuana dispensaries than Starbucks in Denver.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It is that kind of shocking number.
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Whoa!
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1,200 prostitutes in this small area of London.
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And to give you some context, now population has changed.
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It's not as overcrowded as it was back then now, but the current population of White Castle is 14,862.
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So that would be 1 out of 15 people are prostitutes.
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And if you consider like half the population is women, that's 1 out of 7 of the adult women.
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They're, they do not even have to take out children.
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Their number one comedian at the time, uh, I, I can't think of his name, but he had a funny bit where he would be like, you might be a prostitute.
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And I was like, oh boy, here we go.
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If you're living in White Castle.
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And you're a woman!
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Yeah, I'm a prostitute.
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White chat, you said White Castle a couple times.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm a prostitute.
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You know why?
White Castle Population Stats
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Hungry.
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You know why?
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Chaboy?
► 00:30:02
Hungry.
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You gotta crave?
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Yeah, I gotta get a case.
► 00:30:04
Luckily, I got this case right here.
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In that squalor.
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Catch a case.
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That should have been a White Castle.
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Definitely.
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Don't catch that case.
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Like, they should have hired, like, Master P or something and be like, nah, man, I ain't catching a case.
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And they're like, what about this?
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And he'd be like, nah, that's a case I can catch.
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Get Johnny Cochran to do it.
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That guy's a dick.
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Was.
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Sorry.
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Oh, man.
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I had such, not to go off on a tangent, but, uh, I thought about you.
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And, uh, my friend that I was with when we saw the Book of Mormon recently, uh, not to spoil anything, but Johnny Cochran makes a bit of a cameo.
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Nice.
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And boy, did my eyes light up.
► 00:30:37
She goes, boy, you lit up like a Christmas tree when you saw Johnny Cochran.
► 00:30:40
Well, Trey Parker and Matt Stone have a documented aversion to Johnny Cochran.
► 00:30:44
So that's.
► 00:30:45
They have a famous history of not liking Johnny Cochran.
► 00:30:48
Um, so between 1888 and 1891, there were at least 11 brutal murders.
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Brutal.
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Ridiculous murders in Whitechapel.
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Not quite Black Dahlia style murders.
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Some of them.
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But.
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Were worse, I think.
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Really?
► 00:31:02
Ooh, okay, okay.
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Uh, there was the, uh, I can't remember the name of the street, but there's one murder that was just the Dorset Street torso.
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Or, uh.
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Oh, Jesus.
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Because they just found a torso on the street.
► 00:31:12
Oh, I take back what I said earlier then.
► 00:31:14
Yeah.
► 00:31:14
Sorry, the CBS doc, the CBS miniseries didn't have it that graphic.
► 00:31:17
Well, that one is not considered to be a Jack the Ripper murder.
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There were 11 in that three year stretch, grizzly murders, but six of them are probably unrelated.
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So people who call themselves ripperologists now, like people who study it, I believe that there are five canonical murders that can be ascribed to Jack the Ripper.
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Which still is a lot, considering they all happened within two months of each other.
► 00:31:44
Yeah, we're still, uh, are we at serial killer?
► 00:31:48
Five is definitely good enough.
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Okay.
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I feel like you have to have more than three.
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And they have to be.
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In a certain amount of time.
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I think even if you have two, I'll call you a serial killer if it's not two at the same time.
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Can you look up the sort of working definition of a serial killer?
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Yeah, sure.
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I thought I had.
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If you vamp a little, I can.
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Okay, so going back to that whole idea of the murders and this and that, it was interesting and I wish I could go back and why.
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I gotta try and find the miniseries or whatever.
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Um, but I definitely remember, like, they did a pretty good job of letting us know these were pretty horrendous murders.
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A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people, usually in service of abnormal psychological gratification, with the murders taking place over more than a month and including a significant break or cooling off period between them.
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Okay.
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Because otherwise, you're a spree killer.
► 00:32:41
Right, right.
► 00:32:43
You wouldn't call the Beltway Sniper.
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I was just going to say those guys.
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Yeah, that was like.
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Malvo?
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No.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Malvo and Harris?
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No.
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I don't remember the second guy, but Malvo was one of them.
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That was the main guy.
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In terms of Jack the Ripper, he's in the middle in terms of most murderers.
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Number one, most prolific serial killer of all time is a Colombian gentleman named Luis Garavito.
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Oh, yeah.
► 00:33:14
What was his nickname?
► 00:33:15
I don't know.
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La Batista.
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La Bestia.
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La Bestia?
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I don't know.
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La Bestia.
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Yeah.
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He has proven victims, 138, possible victims over 300.
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He's like a mean looking old guy, right?
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I don't know.
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I don't want to look at him.
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He's a bad dude.
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The top three here on this.
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See, it's the thing with serial killers.
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The guys who really are the most prolific ones don't get a lot of the headlines.
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The top three are all Colombian people, and they're all.
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People who murdered children.
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So there's a correlation there.
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If you kill children, apparently you can do a lot more of it.
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The chupacabra.
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The number one most prolific American serial killer is Gary Ridgeway.
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It's the Green River Killer.
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The Green River Killer.
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Killed 49.
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Jesus Christ.
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That's insane.
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I mean, one is insane.
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49 is, that's a lot of people.
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Nine is insane.
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49.
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I'm going to stand by my claim that one is crazy.
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I feel like those cops are like, there's probably a 50th, but they're like, we can't let it be 50.
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Like, guys, we got to stop this guy.
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Yeah.
The Green River Killer
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Ah, shit.
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Someone just asked if it's too late to call in.
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It is.
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Sorry, King David Lane.
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He tweeted at me just now.
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Can't take a call on past episodes.
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Sorry, we don't have that technology.
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No time travel, but that will be an episode eventually.
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So, yeah, there are five murders that are ascribed to him.
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Okay.
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And I don't know.
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I don't know how you want to approach this.
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Talk about that first murder.
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Take me to the first murder scene.
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First murder was a lady named Mary Ann Nichols.
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Was she a lady of the night?
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She was.
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She was 43 years old.
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Okay.
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She was a big old drunk.
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Okay.
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Give you a little bit of backstory on that.
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So far, I love everything about her.
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43, though?
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That's out of your wheelhouse.
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Nah.
► 00:35:11
Come on.
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Drop that shit 20 years.
► 00:35:12
No, it's a real thing.
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She's got that accent.
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That counts for something.
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She was a drunk.
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She got married in 1864, but had affairs, theoretically, with both genders.
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Mmm.
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This lady's getting cooler and cooler.
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She got divorced.
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She started hooking in about 1882.
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And her ex husband got really mad about it and cut her off from whatever spousal support he was supposed to give, and so she's just fucking hooking around.
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Doing a ton of hooking.
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Yeah.
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On the night of August 31st, 1888, she is seen leaving a pub at 12:30 in the morning.
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Okay.
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She then, at 1:30, is turned away from an inn, boarding house, because she doesn't have enough money, so she leaves to go hook to get some money.
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Sure.
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At 3 30 in the morning, she's last seen alive standing on a corner, and witnesses said she was pretty drunk.
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At 3 40 in the morning, Charles Lechmere, also has given his name as Charles Cross, finds her body and is soon after joined by a gentleman named Robert Paul.
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They leave to go get a cop and tell the cop, hey, you gotta go, there's a body over there.
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Cop finds the body.
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She's found to have had her throat slit, and there were several incisions on her abdomen.
► 00:36:33
There was not a ton of blood splatter around, which led police to believe that she was strangled and then stabbed, and her throat was slit after she was dead, because otherwise the carotid artery would have shot tons of blood out.
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So, now the thing that's super interesting about this case.
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It's wild they knew that back then.
► 00:36:52
Yeah.
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Or maybe not that wild.
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Maybe they didn't.
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Maybe we only know that in hindsight.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what sort of policing they were doing back then, but it is unaffective.
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Okay.
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So.
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This leads us to our first suspect, and someone who's a pretty decent suspect throughout.
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This guy, Charles Lechmere.
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Lechmere.
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Or however you pronounce that name.
► 00:37:12
He, whenever they went to go get a policeman, he said a number of things that are dubious.
► 00:37:21
One of the things he said was he didn't know if she was drunk or dead.
► 00:37:26
Whereas before, when he was talking to Robert Paul on the street, he was arguing that she was dead.
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No, he was arguing that she was drunk.
► 00:37:34
Paul was like, she's dead.
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He's like, ah, she's probably just drunk.
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Oh, like, let's leave her alone.
► 00:37:38
Let's not worry about that.
► 00:37:39
She's just a drunk person.
► 00:37:40
Yeah.
► 00:37:41
So they go and get a cop, and what he tells the policeman is a cop, another cop has requested your assistance over there.
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So he lied that there was already a cop with the body.
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Okay.
► 00:37:53
Which I don't know what that proves or I don't know what that says, but it is someone directly lying to a cop.
► 00:37:59
And as we've talked about before and what I've seen in documentaries and things like that, and one thing that I know police look for, a lot of times, these killers have been known to visit the scenes of the crime.
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Sure.
► 00:38:12
Especially when they're investigating or when they're quarantining the area.
► 00:38:18
There's such a compulsion to go look at your work.
► 00:38:20
Yeah, it really is like, ooh, look what I did here and kind of like check it out.
► 00:38:24
Okay, okay.
► 00:38:24
On a, I mean, I don't want to say that that's, But I think that there is a normal human impulse to want to witness things you shouldn't witness.
► 00:38:33
Like, everybody wants to see their own funeral.
► 00:38:36
Sure.
► 00:38:36
You want to be able to see what people say about you after you're dead.
► 00:38:40
Sure.
► 00:38:40
There is, I think, a little element of that in this.
► 00:38:43
Like, I want to.
► 00:38:44
This is really dangerous for me to be here, but I got to see.
► 00:38:47
It's reading iTunes comments.
► 00:38:49
I've got to see what effect I've had on people.
► 00:38:51
Reading iTunes comments.
► 00:38:52
Yeah.
► 00:38:53
I don't want to.
► 00:38:53
Maybe I don't want to see this, but I got to see it.
► 00:38:54
It's so fucking dangerous.
► 00:38:55
I got to see it.
► 00:38:57
So, The working theory is that it would have taken about three to five minutes to commit this murder based on the wounds and all this.
► 00:39:07
It doesn't match up necessarily with the level of evisceration of bodies, the other people that we're going to talk about, but that makes sense because this Robert Paul guy showed up.
► 00:39:18
So people kind of are like, well, this matches up enough that it's pretty easy to think he got interrupted.
► 00:39:26
Oh, okay.
► 00:39:26
So had Robert Paul not shown up, There's a decent chance she would have been sliced down the middle.
► 00:39:32
Yeah, and also, some might say this was number one.
► 00:39:36
It's true.
► 00:39:36
So he had to heighten it as he.
► 00:39:39
There is that thing that you hear about a lot the evolution of a pattern in serial killers.
► 00:39:44
They start, and then it gets more fine tuned what they do.
► 00:39:49
And that's certainly a possibility, too.
► 00:39:51
More fine tuned, but also sometimes the stakes are raised.
► 00:39:55
Yeah.
► 00:39:56
So we'll get more into Charles Lachmere as we go along, but.
► 00:40:00
That's, that's interesting that he was the first on the scene here at this first murder.
► 00:40:04
That definitely should cause some sort of like, and this is why when there are crimes and stuff like that, sometimes the people who are like, Hey, I was just here.
► 00:40:14
It's like, let's get your info.
► 00:40:15
Yeah, let's get all of your info.
► 00:40:17
Let's see what you're into.
► 00:40:18
That'll happen every once in a while, like the first 48 when someone's like, Yeah, I saw him go down that street.
► 00:40:23
And they're like, What are you doing here?
► 00:40:24
Yeah, like what?
► 00:40:26
I did it.
► 00:40:26
Sorry.
► 00:40:27
Oh shit, I did it.
► 00:40:28
You're right.
► 00:40:28
I'm caught.
► 00:40:29
Uh, so flash forward a week.
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To September 8th, 1888.
► 00:40:34
A lot of eights in there.
► 00:40:35
A lot of significant numbers.
► 00:40:37
I don't know if that's the case.
► 00:40:39
Annie Chapman, age 47, is found dead at 6 a.m.
► 00:40:44
Her body is discovered.
► 00:40:46
She's a lady who had three kids.
► 00:40:47
Her youngest was born disabled.
► 00:40:50
Her daughter, her oldest daughter, died of meningitis at the age of 12.
► 00:40:54
And due to these tragedies, her and her husband became big old drunks and ended up getting divorced in 1884.
► 00:41:01
Her husband gave her an allowance, much like is sort of consistent throughout these, until 1886 when he died of drinking.
► 00:41:09
He died of a booze related death.
► 00:41:12
Everyone who knew Annie Chapman said that she was a very industrious and a gifted crochetist and sewer, except when she would drink and she was drunk a lot.
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So when she was drunk, she would end up being like, I don't want to crochet, I'm going to be a prostitute.
► 00:41:26
She'd fuck around.
► 00:41:28
So at 1 45 in the morning, she also was turned away from a boarding house because she didn't have enough money.
► 00:41:33
At 5 30 in the morning, she is seen talking to a man in an overcoat with dark hair and was described as a shabby-genteel appearance.
► 00:41:43
6 a.m. Her body is discovered.
► 00:41:45
Her throat has been slit left to right, which would say left-handed possibility.
► 00:41:50
Left-handed, possibly.
► 00:41:51
Yeah, probably.
► 00:41:53
I mean, a lot of people believe that whoever Jack the Ripper was, was probably left handed.
► 00:41:58
Okay.
► 00:41:58
Because he's sinister.
► 00:42:00
Yep.
► 00:42:01
Take that, left handed people out there.
► 00:42:03
She was sliced down the middle.
► 00:42:04
Ugh.
► 00:42:05
Her intestines were taken out and thrown over each shoulder.
► 00:42:08
Oh, my gosh.
► 00:42:09
Like a scarf, like you'd whip a scarf over each shoulder.
► 00:42:11
Exactly.
► 00:42:12
Part of her uterus was missing.
► 00:42:14
But historians do not know if that was something he did or if whenever they took her to the morgue.
► 00:42:23
Someone there took her uterus to sell.
► 00:42:26
Oh, Jesus.
► 00:42:27
Because of how bad record keeping was back then, and they didn't do a thorough examination on the scene, and it's possible someone stole her uterus later.
► 00:42:36
Although it does kind of fit with the pattern of his behavior, so it's reasonable to assume he took her uterus.
► 00:42:42
Now we're getting into, which is another serial killer characteristic, taking trophies.
► 00:42:48
Yeah, but it's usually like a pin or something like that.
► 00:42:50
I know, not an ID, a driver's license, not a bodybuilder.
► 00:42:53
But.
► 00:42:54
If there's somebody who's fascinated with science, maybe biology, the body.
► 00:43:00
Now we get to where I just don't want to go into all the details of people's past lives because it's all so similar.
► 00:43:07
Drunks, 40 year olds, basically.
► 00:43:09
This guy definitely has a type.
► 00:43:13
Drunk, old 40 year old prostitutes.
► 00:43:15
So on the night of September 30th, 1888, he strikes twice within a little distance of each other.
► 00:43:24
Definitely able to be.
► 00:43:26
Crossed.
► 00:43:27
There's no reason to think he wouldn't be able to pull it off.
► 00:43:29
Yeah.
► 00:43:30
Elizabeth Stride, aged 44, and Catherine Eddows, aged 46.
► 00:43:37
Both are murdered and found in the street.
► 00:43:39
Elizabeth Stride is found at about 1 o'clock, and Catherine Eddows at about 1 45.
► 00:43:46
Okay.
► 00:43:47
So they were both also cut up a bit, throat slit.
► 00:43:54
Catherine Eddows had much more evisceration done to her, which would match up because she was the second one.
► 00:44:00
Mm hmm.
► 00:44:01
So, there's also some belief that maybe he was startled when he had killed Elizabeth Stride, and that the second murder was because he didn't get to live out the reason for the killing.
► 00:44:14
Yeah.
► 00:44:14
So he had to go do it over or something like that.
► 00:44:16
That one didn't count.
► 00:44:17
Yeah.
► 00:44:18
It didn't take.
► 00:44:19
And then his fifth documented or canonical murder is a massive departure.
► 00:44:26
Mary Jane Kelly, age 25, younger, way younger, also still a prostitute, drunk, and a drunk.
► 00:44:33
Is murdered in her home.
► 00:44:36
Which is weird because all the other people were killed in the street.
► 00:44:39
Yeah.
► 00:44:40
She has a next level amount of evisceration done to her.
► 00:44:46
She's cut open entirely.
► 00:44:48
Her breasts are cut off.
► 00:44:50
Her legs and arms are partially detached.
► 00:44:54
He took organs and put them under her head and just moved body parts around.
► 00:45:00
He had a crazy bloody scene.
► 00:45:02
He had.
► 00:45:04
More time and privacy.
► 00:45:06
Yep.
► 00:45:06
Yeah.
► 00:45:07
And also, this was the case to a certain extent with the other murders, but in this way crazy.
► 00:45:16
Just pummeling of the face.
► 00:45:18
Like just cutting up the face to an unrecognizable.
► 00:45:21
Doesn't that usually say that there's some personal.
► 00:45:25
It somewhat implies that, or at least like a feeling of like this body is judging me.
► 00:45:30
That's sort of what I think.
► 00:45:31
It's like a don't look at me.
► 00:45:33
As you were describing.
► 00:45:35
The Bimes thing.
► 00:45:36
Imagine you're the one who finds that body.
► 00:45:38
You know who did find her?
► 00:45:39
Her roommate.
► 00:45:40
Oh, man.
► 00:45:40
Yeah.
► 00:45:41
The lady who lived downstairs the next morning was knocking on the door and she didn't answer.
► 00:45:47
And then earlier in the night, someone yelled murder, and her roommate didn't wake up because it's such a horrible place that that doesn't even surprise you.
► 00:45:56
Sure.
► 00:45:56
It's like when we have friends who live in parts of town where it's just like, I heard a gunshot.
► 00:46:00
Sure.
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It doesn't even startle you.
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It's like, people yell murder all the time here in Chicago.
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That's true, because there's murders all the time.
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Because there's murders all the time here in Chicago.
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Yeah.
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So those are the five that we can say the Ripper is responsible for.
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Okay.
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All within about a month to two months of each other.
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Okay.
► 00:46:21
They all seem to happen around the same area and towards weekends or holidays, which has led pretty much everyone who studies it to believe that it was someone who lived locally and had a job.
► 00:46:36
Remember the working class?
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Yeah.
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Or someone who wanted you to think that.
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That's what they want you to think.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, almost every piece of evidence is a good deduction or someone wanting you to go down that path.
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It's almost impossible to tell.
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Now, whenever there's a serial killer or a spree killer or whatever, there's always this idea of copycat killers.
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Yes, and that I think is something you could ascribe a lot of the other six to.
► 00:47:04
I think there's a decent chance that, and even some people who have studied it have insinuated that at least one of these is not an actual murder of his.
► 00:47:15
You know what I mean?
► 00:47:16
There's people who think that Elizabeth Stride is one that some people who have studied it have been like, I'm not sure that was him.
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Yeah.
► 00:47:24
Which I'm sure even, it's gotta be weird too if you're like a serial killer and you're like, guys, I did all of those, but that one, that wasn't me.
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That was not me.
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Yeah.
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It's like, I'm a bad guy, but I'm, I'm the worst and I take credit, I take responsibility or credit, however you want to put it.
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Yeah.
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For all these, but that one, I swear to God, that wasn't me.
► 00:47:43
Yeah.
► 00:47:44
You almost have to believe it if a killer says that.
► 00:47:46
Right, right, right.
► 00:47:47
Um, so at the time, a lot of people were sending letters and that's how, uh, you know, The town, I mean, that place was in panic.
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Tough time to be a prostitute there.
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Sure, but people seem to not be dissuaded at all.
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They should have gotten, and this is why I'm so proud that women are now on police forces and in the military.
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I'm with Hill.
► 00:48:09
Here's what we would have done back then Put some undercovers out there.
► 00:48:14
Sure.
► 00:48:14
I've seen enough cops where they've put some officers out on the street.
► 00:48:17
Uh huh.
► 00:48:17
Yep.
► 00:48:18
Yep.
► 00:48:19
When I put my hand on my head, that means come on in.
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And then all these buggies with lights come with cherries and berries on a buggy come rolling in.
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Yeah.
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Um, There was tons of people taking responsibility.
► 00:48:31
That's another weird thing, too.
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Yeah.
► 00:48:33
Of, and we, we talk about this before.
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We always bring up the fucking John Bonet guy and stuff like that.
► 00:48:37
But I mean, like, there are people.
► 00:48:39
But, this is different than the John Bonet thing because that guy had something to gain.
► 00:48:43
That guy had something to gain.
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These are people anonymously taking credit.
► 00:48:45
But I think there are, there's always people who, and this is why police sometimes don't release all the info because sometimes that traps people.
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But if, if I say like, you know, you come to interview me and I'm like, well, it's a, that's a bummer that Dan died.
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It's too bad that, uh, You know, like, oh, what are you going to do with his one eyed cat?
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And you're like, how do you know he has a one eyed cat?
► 00:49:05
And you're like, oh, fuck.
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Oh, shit.
► 00:49:06
I don't know.
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But there's also the people who are like, oh, you did these murders?
► 00:49:10
And they're like, yep.
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Like, oh, really?
► 00:49:12
So how did you do them?
► 00:49:13
They're like, I shot them.
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And they're like, you didn't fucking do it.
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No, wasn't you.
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Wasn't you.
► 00:49:18
Dick.
► 00:49:18
Yeah.
► 00:49:19
However, one letter that the Whitechapel, what's his official title?
► 00:49:27
Vigilance Committee.
► 00:49:28
George Lusk, the head of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee, received a letter.
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That's referred to as the From Hell letter.
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And it's signed From Hell on the top.
One-Eyed Cat Red Flags
00:15:49
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I don't know.
► 00:49:48
There's a lot of misspellings and weird stuff.
► 00:49:53
I fried and ate it.
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It was nice.
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I may send you the bloody knife that took it out if you wait a while longer.
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Signed, catch me when you can, Mr. Lusk.
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So that's the only letter that people who are looking at the history believe is kind of Probably real.
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Oh, can I ask you this?
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Where did the name Jack the Ripper come from?
► 00:50:14
It came from the media.
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Okay.
► 00:50:17
People writing in magazines and stuff like that.
► 00:50:20
They started with a leather coat or something like that.
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No, that's not it.
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Fuck.
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I don't remember.
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Old leather coats.
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Add it again.
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Story at 10.
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Leather, not leather vest.
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Chap.
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No.
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Concho.
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There's a.
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Near one of the murders, they found a leather.
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Shaw cape.
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Leather apron?
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Leather daddy?
► 00:50:43
Yes.
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That had just been washed.
► 00:50:45
Oh.
► 00:50:45
And so they sort of ran with it in the media a little bit that, you know, like, hey, this is a, you know, leather apron is the guy we need to catch.
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Mm hmm.
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But it turned out that it was just someone's mom had washed their leather apron and it was coincidental.
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A leather apron, not unlike the one Bray Wyatt used to wear.
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Mm hmm.
► 00:51:02
Mm hmm.
► 00:51:03
That is definitely a nod.
► 00:51:05
So they called him Leather Apron and then it sort of evolved to calling him Jack the Ripper.
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And that's why a lot of these letters that, They got sent, he signed it Jack the Ripper, and people were like, he wouldn't call himself a name that the.
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Sure.
► 00:51:18
So a lot of that takes away credence from it.
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Also, I love Saucy Jack.
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I love that as a nickname.
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Silly Jack.
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Saucy Jackie.
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Naughty Jack.
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Yeah, so I like that nickname.
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But yeah, so that was the one correspondence that did actually have half a kidney sent with it, which is fucked up.
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Well, I mean, that's a little more evidence than just, hey, I did this.
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But they didn't have DNA evidence back then, so we don't know if it was actually.
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Her kidney, or anything like that, or it could be a ploy.
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So, I mean, that again is unconclusive, but it's super fucked up.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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I am kind of just.
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Fuck.
► 00:51:56
It's fascinating, too, that there's that idea or part of this killer who wants to be in touch with the authorities or the media in some other cases where it's just like.
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Once everyone wants to be caught, it all makes sense and it all adds up.
► 00:52:11
Like the BTK, he was caught by.
► 00:52:15
writing the newspaper and police again and being like, y'all forgot about me, you know?
► 00:52:20
So to me, and it's, it's the profile and it's the profile that was back in the 1800s and it's the same profile today that there's something in the DNA of these serial killers where they want to do this thing, they want recognition for it, they want to interact and they want to interact, yeah.
► 00:52:37
It's one part ego and I think that maybe this is from movies, maybe it's from Silence of the Lambs or something like that, but like this idea of wanting someone that they feel is on their level to hunt them.
► 00:52:47
Right.
► 00:52:47
Like, you, Dan, you caught me.
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You are a worthy adversary.
► 00:52:52
Yeah.
► 00:52:52
I am now ready to go to jail.
► 00:52:53
I think that's a romantic notion of killers, though.
► 00:52:55
Right.
► 00:52:55
I don't think they actually think like that.
► 00:52:57
Well, yeah, I'm sure it is a romantic Hollywood sort of version of.
► 00:53:01
Like a chess game of murder.
► 00:53:02
But also, those might.
► 00:53:05
Those Hollywood tropes might sort of teach the serial killers or the killers of tomorrow, oh, I do need a.
► 00:53:13
You know, like, I'm the Joker.
► 00:53:15
I need my Batman or, you know.
► 00:53:18
Yeah, how much of that is like.
► 00:53:20
A learned thing.
► 00:53:20
Yeah.
► 00:53:21
So, there's a lot of theories about who he is, but no one knows definitively who he is.
► 00:53:28
My favorite, I think, in terms of actual folks, is that Charles Cross, Charles Lashmere guy.
► 00:53:34
Yeah.
► 00:53:35
Because most of the murders fall on his route to work.
► 00:53:38
Okay.
► 00:53:38
He was a butcher.
► 00:53:39
Yes.
► 00:53:40
So it wouldn't be uncommon for him to go to work and have blood on him.
► 00:53:43
Is he Polish?
► 00:53:45
Was he the Polish guy?
► 00:53:46
No.
► 00:53:46
Here's some of the things I've heard.
► 00:53:47
That guy was like a.
► 00:53:48
No, but he was very cleared.
► 00:53:51
I've heard.
► 00:53:51
Okay, that's the guy who was just visiting or something.
► 00:53:53
And they're like, well, they all stopped when he was gone.
► 00:53:57
So some of the things you hear, and this again goes back to Black Dahlia, where it's like they had to have some form of training, some background in knife work.
► 00:54:06
Either they were a butcher, a doctor.
► 00:54:10
Yeah.
► 00:54:12
You know, veterinary, like something.
► 00:54:14
First of all, they had access to these weapons.
► 00:54:17
But they just had a knife.
► 00:54:19
Most of it was done by the same knife.
► 00:54:21
But were they just some knife or was that like surgical knives?
► 00:54:25
I don't think it was a surgical knife, but it was probably a nice knife.
► 00:54:28
I think.
► 00:54:29
And now we're getting, can we get into some real sexy theories?
► 00:54:32
Yeah, but before you do, that thing about the butcher or doctor thing.
► 00:54:36
Yeah.
► 00:54:37
From the time period, the sources say that, like, Half of the people that looked at the bodies and analyzed stuff are like, this has got to be a guy who has some meat handling experience.
► 00:54:49
And then the other half are like, this is so clunky.
► 00:54:51
This guy has no knowledge of what he's doing.
► 00:54:53
Look at Jeffrey Dahmer.
► 00:54:54
He didn't have a background in any of that shit without a fucking chocolate factory.
► 00:54:57
I don't know how you, if you don't have any experience, I don't know how you take out a uterus.
► 00:55:01
That's what I'm saying.
► 00:55:01
That's pretty weird.
► 00:55:02
And that's not luck.
► 00:55:04
I wouldn't even know where to look.
► 00:55:06
If I gave you.
► 00:55:07
Uh huh.
► 00:55:08
The uterus is in the titty, right?
► 00:55:09
Dan.
► 00:55:10
I mean, I get the cutting the boob off thing.
► 00:55:12
I get the, I get.
► 00:55:13
I get that.
► 00:55:13
I mean, for just like a maniac, like, I'm going to cut boobs off sexual, like that.
► 00:55:18
But when you start getting into things like the Black Dolly thing, how they drain the body and stuff like that, we're getting into some pretty expert level shit.
► 00:55:27
Yes.
► 00:55:27
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
► 00:55:28
Now, a thing like this, especially given over 100 years to let stories build and myths build and folklore build, one of the theories, and I believe going back to that miniseries that started all for me, They were hinting around that it was someone in the royal family?
► 00:55:53
Yes, that would be Prince Albert Victor.
► 00:55:55
Yes.
► 00:55:56
The second in line to the throne.
► 00:55:58
He was the grandson of Queen Victoria.
► 00:56:03
And that theory, as that goes, is that he had knocked up Mary Jane Kelly, the last victim.
► 00:56:10
Okay.
► 00:56:11
And this is sort of like this has invaded pop culture.
► 00:56:14
And I believe it had some, that movie from Hell and Alan Moore's graphic novel has some overlap with this.
► 00:56:20
But the idea was essentially that he had knocked up this lady and she was a peasant gal and a prostitute, and you can't have that.
► 00:56:26
Nope.
► 00:56:27
Which would explain why the last killing does seem more personal.
► 00:56:31
It doesn't fit in the terms of the killing hookers in the street.
► 00:56:35
Access to her house.
► 00:56:36
Sure.
► 00:56:36
There's all kinds of levels of that.
► 00:56:40
And then the other ones were to throw people off.
► 00:56:42
Yes.
► 00:56:42
That there was just a maniac on the loose, and she just happened to be just another victim.
► 00:56:46
Although, if that's the case, you'd think she'd kind of be in the middle, maybe.
► 00:56:49
But if you finally do kill who you need to kill.
► 00:56:52
Why risk killing more?
► 00:56:53
It would be distasteful work to kill more.
► 00:56:55
Yeah, and it's kind of like, hey, guys, I'm so sorry.
► 00:56:58
Yeah.
► 00:56:59
Also, he has an alibi for some of the murders, but then people are like, well, you can just have someone do it for him.
► 00:57:05
Which was another thing, I believe, that I've heard before that there were multiple people doing this.
► 00:57:11
There was a duo.
► 00:57:12
There's duo ideas, and then there's also ideas of ritualistic secret society murders and so on.
► 00:57:18
Oh, now we're getting into it.
► 00:57:20
But all that stuff, too, is just such as we go on this podcast.
► 00:57:24
Yes.
► 00:57:25
And we will go on.
► 00:57:26
Yeah.
► 00:57:26
I'm Getting more and more of a distaste for things that, like, are unprovable entirely.
► 00:57:32
Like, you want a little closure?
► 00:57:33
Not that I want closure, but like theories that are so open ended that, like, they're not provable and they're not disprovable.
► 00:57:42
So who knows?
► 00:57:43
What I don't get, and I think, like, as JFK is a prime example, what I don't get is how we don't get more, like, deathbed confessions.
► 00:57:54
We've had a bunch with JFK.
► 00:57:56
But no one believes him because there's so many.
► 00:57:58
That's true.
► 00:57:58
And so many different ones.
► 00:57:59
Yeah.
► 00:58:01
But that doesn't, that speaks to your wanting them.
► 00:58:03
They're there.
► 00:58:04
To me, it's crazy with Jack the Ripper that it just.
► 00:58:07
This mystery just is dead with people who've.
► 00:58:11
Well, it's entirely possible.
► 00:58:12
They've taken it to their graves.
► 00:58:13
Some of the bad suspects that they have are people who died, and that's why the killing stopped.
► 00:58:21
There was one guy, a younger gentleman, who killed himself right after, and then the killing stopped.
► 00:58:28
He drowned himself in the Thames River.
► 00:58:30
Had almost no connection to any of the murders, but people just deserve a suspect because, like, hey, Wiggy died, and then it stopped.
► 00:58:37
Sure.
► 00:58:37
Which is kind of like.
► 00:58:39
Witch logic.
► 00:58:40
You know, like, well, we killed the witch and then the rain stopped, so she was doing it.
► 00:58:45
I know.
► 00:58:45
So that doesn't, it's not all that appealing.
► 00:58:48
You can hear us crack open the Salem witch trials in a previous episode.
► 00:58:52
Sure.
► 00:58:52
Cracked them open.
► 00:58:54
This is going to be unsatisfying because we can't crack this open, I don't think.
► 00:58:57
But I think there's tons of theories about, like, Lewis Carroll, the guy who wrote Alice in Wonderland.
► 00:59:03
Yeah.
► 00:59:03
They believe he did it.
► 00:59:04
See, that's, to me, like, a classic good old fashioned, like, you know, who did the Black Dahlia murders?
► 00:59:12
Mm hmm.
► 00:59:12
Gilligan from Gilligan's Island.
► 00:59:14
Bob Denver.
► 00:59:14
These unknown, yeah, these unsolved mysteries.
► 00:59:17
And then it's like, what if?
► 00:59:19
Like, those are just.
► 00:59:20
If you watch the show Doby Gillis, it was really all about the Black Dahlia murders.
► 00:59:24
Sure.
► 00:59:25
And, and, I mean, you know, it's, it's what draws us in to these murders and, and, and to that idea that, like, somebody who's such a nice person is probably responsible for something so evil.
► 00:59:40
He's beloved, but beneath the surface.
► 00:59:41
That idea that a member of the royal family, that's a sexy one.
► 00:59:45
Sure.
► 00:59:45
Cause there's all kinds of, like, You're living in squalor.
► 00:59:47
This whole area where people are shit on.
► 00:59:50
There's obviously going to be some sort of ill will towards the rich.
► 00:59:53
Yeah.
► 00:59:54
There's always been social schism.
► 00:59:56
Ill Will was a rapper's name at the gathering who did the freestyle battle.
► 01:00:01
That was Ill Bill.
► 01:00:03
Ill Bill.
► 01:00:03
That's an actual rapper.
► 01:00:04
Ill Bill?
► 01:00:05
Yeah.
► 01:00:05
Oh, this one's Ill Will.
► 01:00:06
We had an Ill Will there for real.
► 01:00:07
Oh, it's cool.
► 01:00:07
Ill Bill's a great name.
► 01:00:09
Yeah.
► 01:00:09
He should always have that yellow jumpsuit on that she wore in Kill Bill.
► 01:00:15
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
► 01:00:16
The widow.
► 01:00:17
Yes.
► 01:00:18
Right?
► 01:00:18
The bride?
► 01:00:19
Black Mamba.
► 01:00:19
The bride?
► 01:00:19
What'd they call him?
► 01:00:20
The bride.
► 01:00:20
Bride, yeah, yeah.
► 01:00:21
My bad.
► 01:00:22
And Black Mamba.
► 01:00:24
So, also, Aleister Crowley, people have suggested as a.
► 01:00:28
Oh.
► 01:00:29
Shout out to our boy.
► 01:00:30
The evidence of it really just gets down to, like, he is a weirdo.
► 01:00:34
Awesome.
► 01:00:35
And he was around London.
► 01:00:36
Yeah.
► 01:00:37
And he has some interest in the case.
► 01:00:40
He'd expressed interest in the goings on around Whitechapel at the time.
► 01:00:45
But that does not prove he did it.
► 01:00:47
No.
► 01:00:48
Very weak sauce in terms of.
► 01:00:50
Yeah, and I just, I think that.
► 01:00:52
A lot of it is just like anything that, like, those murders that happen and then just go away.
► 01:01:00
It is fascinating.
► 01:01:01
And it is just like, why'd you go away?
► 01:01:03
I mean, like, with BTK, he went away because he started getting older.
► 01:01:08
And he was just like, then he had to start attacking older women.
► 01:01:10
And he was like, it wasn't as fun.
► 01:01:12
Yeah.
► 01:01:13
It's not my thing.
► 01:01:14
And that, to me, is wild that, like, you kind of outgrow being a serial killer.
► 01:01:19
Yeah.
► 01:01:19
I mean, there's all kinds of things.
► 01:01:23
I don't do that anymore.
► 01:01:24
Cliff diving, that's a young man's game.
► 01:01:26
Sounds like shit.
► 01:01:27
Yeah, that is super weird.
► 01:01:30
I think that the best explanation is that either there's a reason it stopped or it stopped because the person had to.
► 01:01:37
They were incarcerated for something else or died.
► 01:01:40
Look, Dan, we here, that's what they want you to think.
► 01:01:43
We subscribe to Occam's Razor.
► 01:01:45
Yes.
► 01:01:47
Which is?
► 01:01:47
What a simplest explanation is usually right.
► 01:01:50
Right.
► 01:01:51
So in this instance.
► 01:01:52
It's got to be Lewis Carroll.
► 01:01:53
It's got to be Lewis Carroll.
► 01:01:54
No matter what.
► 01:01:55
You know the argument why people think it was him?
► 01:01:57
Yeah, why do people think it's him?
► 01:01:58
Because they took passages from, like, through the looking glass and used anagrams to, like, mix up the letters.
► 01:02:05
And you can readjust the letters to have a story about Jack the Ripper, which is crazy.
► 01:02:12
Number one, when has that ever been the case where it's like, you got me?
► 01:02:17
If you mix up the words in the giving tree, you can see that I'm a murderer.
► 01:02:24
If you adjust all the words in this podcast and just move them around, you can prove that we are the Green River Killer.
► 01:02:29
Come on.
► 01:02:30
Yeah.
► 01:02:31
I mean, that's so bizarre, but it shows the amount of fascination people have with this.
► 01:02:36
Grasp at straws that hard.
► 01:02:38
And now we're getting into this whole thing.
► 01:02:40
This reminds me of like, I mean, God, I remember years ago when it was kind of like, hey, why are they doing that in that music video covering their left eye?
► 01:02:48
Yeah, yeah.
► 01:02:49
They're doing that.
► 01:02:50
And now it's just like, oh, people do it as a goof.
► 01:02:53
Yeah, they're doing it because people kept talking about putting in Illuminati sort of signals or, or, or, you know, paraphernalia or whatever you want to call it in their music videos.
► 01:03:04
Yeah.
► 01:03:05
Because like, it's the cool thing to do.
► 01:03:06
The symbology has its own life outside of the Illuminati now.
► 01:03:10
Back when Madonna.
► 01:03:11
Britney Spears and Christine Aguilera had that ceremony on stage.
► 01:03:15
That was authentic.
► 01:03:17
That was real.
► 01:03:18
It's back when pop culture was pure.
► 01:03:19
Now you get this fucking Lady Gaga up there going, Oh, what would the Illuminati do?
► 01:03:23
That's her motto.
► 01:03:24
Yeah, I'm going to cover myself in meat.
► 01:03:25
What would the Illuminati do?
► 01:03:27
You know what I mean?
► 01:03:27
It's just like, come on.
► 01:03:29
That's actually my bracelet that I have.
► 01:03:30
What would the Illuminati do?
► 01:03:31
I'm talking about a time back when rituals meant something, Dan.
► 01:03:34
Back in the Jack the Ripper days, man.
► 01:03:37
That's when Madonna picked Britney.
► 01:03:40
Remember that?
► 01:03:41
Yep.
► 01:03:41
That's a fun thing.
► 01:03:42
It was a christening.
► 01:03:42
She christened her, not Christina.
► 01:03:44
It was a kissing.
► 01:03:45
You could see Christina be upset.
► 01:03:47
She's pissed.
► 01:03:48
I know.
► 01:03:49
So, what do you think?
► 01:03:51
I think it was a dude.
► 01:03:55
Okay, strong.
► 01:03:56
I think it was a man.
► 01:03:59
Well, I mean, a lot of people have suggested that it was Jill the Ripper.
► 01:04:01
Yeah, that it was a woman.
► 01:04:03
A lot of people have suggested that it was a woman.
► 01:04:04
Hey, feminist, back off.
► 01:04:05
Let us have this one.
► 01:04:06
It wasn't a feminist.
► 01:04:07
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle actually suggested it was a woman.
► 01:04:10
Why?
► 01:04:12
Killing the comp?
► 01:04:13
Well, competition?
► 01:04:14
Oh, what about this?
► 01:04:16
It's a pimp.
► 01:04:18
Uh huh.
► 01:04:18
And he wants to scare other lady prostitutes.
► 01:04:21
So it's a message.
► 01:04:22
It's a message.
► 01:04:24
And it's getting some of the competition off the street at the same time.
► 01:04:26
That's.
► 01:04:27
Follow the money.
► 01:04:28
What do we also say in this podcast?
► 01:04:29
BB Bono.
► 01:04:30
What do we also say in this podcast?
► 01:04:31
BB Bono.
► 01:04:32
Follow the money.
► 01:04:33
Money trails.
► 01:04:34
Money talks, bullshit walks.
► 01:04:36
How much of a bummer is it if you, back then, are just a guy who wants a prostitute?
► 01:04:40
Uh huh.
► 01:04:41
You have to.
► 01:04:41
Hey, hey.
► 01:04:42
Ma'am, sorry.
► 01:04:43
Don't even bother you.
► 01:04:43
Look, I'm not a murderer.
► 01:04:45
I'm not a murderer.
► 01:04:46
That's a red flag, by the way.
► 01:04:48
I, yeah, I know.
► 01:04:48
Oh, look, and I'm sorry, and I feel like a creep that I have to say I'm not a murderer.
► 01:04:51
I know that's not the best opening line ever.
► 01:04:53
It's a faux pas in these prostitution circles.
► 01:04:55
Uh, I have some money.
► 01:04:56
I would like to just have sex with you.
► 01:04:58
I promise I will not murder you.
► 01:04:59
There I go again, sounding like a fucking creep.
► 01:05:02
I am so socially awkward.
► 01:05:03
This is weird.
► 01:05:05
I feel like it's bananas that people didn't stop hooking for that month.
► 01:05:10
Like, it's crazy that people- I almost got a habit.
► 01:05:13
That people weren't just like, uh, listen, we gotta- and like, Or, if people are being murdered on the street, I understand that commerce and money runs the world.
► 01:05:22
But if you're an innkeeper and people keep getting murdered because they get turned away from the inn.
► 01:05:27
Do you think those innkeepers felt a little guilt?
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► 01:05:30
I would.
► 01:05:31
I don't know if they did, but I certainly would.
► 01:05:32
I'd be like, I could have stopped that.
► 01:05:34
Right.
► 01:05:35
Or maybe if we're hooking, maybe we buddy system this shit?
► 01:05:39
Sure.
► 01:05:39
I don't know if that would have helped, but.
► 01:05:42
Probably would have.
► 01:05:43
Because it seems like whoever was Jack the Ripper liked to take a little time.
► 01:05:47
Yeah.
► 01:05:48
Probably wouldn't have attacked two women together.
► 01:05:50
No.
► 01:05:51
And then there's this idea.
► 01:05:53
Well, yeah, so with the Royal, there was the.
► 01:05:55
What was the Royal?
► 01:05:56
Did they say anything about like a kind of like a little buggy, horse drawn carriage where they would sort of.
► 01:06:03
What are you talking about?
► 01:06:04
That was in the miniseries, I remember.
► 01:06:05
Oh, no, I don't remember this.
► 01:06:06
I didn't come upon this.
► 01:06:07
I didn't see the miniseries again.
► 01:06:08
It's so crazy.
► 01:06:09
This is your childhood memory.
► 01:06:10
Fuck, I know.
► 01:06:11
It's crazy.
► 01:06:12
Maybe it didn't even happen, Berenstein Bearstyle.
► 01:06:13
Yeah, might not have.
► 01:06:14
Berenstein.
► 01:06:16
My feeling is I love the Royal one.
► 01:06:21
Yeah, it's true.
► 01:06:21
But it's not true.
► 01:06:22
It's a hot one.
► 01:06:23
I love it, but it's not true.
► 01:06:25
I know.
► 01:06:25
I love it as fiction because it would explain why it stopped.
► 01:06:30
Yeah.
► 01:06:30
It would, like, it would, it explains a lot.
► 01:06:35
Mm-hmm.
► 01:06:36
Like, you're trying to hide one murder in five.
► 01:06:39
I get it.
► 01:06:40
It makes sense.
► 01:06:42
Yes.
► 01:06:42
In a way.
► 01:06:43
Uh-huh.
► 01:06:43
It's crazy, but it makes sense.
► 01:06:45
And if you were trying to do something like that, killing old prostitutes is something that seems like it would be the easiest way to go.
► 01:06:52
Yeah.
► 01:06:53
As sad as- Because also, think about this.
► 01:06:55
Back in the 1800s?
► 01:06:57
Mm hmm.
► 01:06:58
40 something?
► 01:06:59
That's 60 today.
► 01:07:00
That's like 60 or 70 today.
► 01:07:01
And a hooker 40?
► 01:07:03
And a hooker who's been drinking and having a rough life?
► 01:07:05
Whoa.
► 01:07:06
Oi, oi, oi.
► 01:07:06
And if you catch them drunk, that's like, uh, come on.
► 01:07:10
Slitting the throat of a fish in a barrel.
► 01:07:11
Come on.
► 01:07:12
You know, that's, uh, so whoever it is is preying on like very easy targets.
► 01:07:17
And that does imply, um, someone who's not, you know, it's weird that the Jack the Ripper has, Like, lived on this enduring legacy when he was really a bottom feeder in terms of what he was actually doing.
► 01:07:33
Right, but.
► 01:07:33
It's not a.
► 01:07:34
Like, I would love it if the serial killers that we put on a pedestal were ones who were doing the triple Lindy of murder.
► 01:07:42
They were going for hard targets.
► 01:07:45
Sure.
► 01:07:46
Not women.
► 01:07:47
Do you know who, like, who's ever committed regicide?
► 01:07:50
Who's ever killed a king?
► 01:07:52
I don't know any names of people who have killed kings.
► 01:07:54
It's happened.
► 01:07:55
Yeah.
► 01:07:56
Other than, like, I don't even know who shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand and started World War I.
► 01:08:00
I have no idea.
► 01:08:02
I know Franz Ferdinand, but that's just because of the band.
► 01:08:04
That's the band.
► 01:08:05
Take me out.
► 01:08:07
That's the only reason I know.
► 01:08:08
I don't know who shot him.
► 01:08:09
I got to say, I really thought they were going to be bigger.
► 01:08:11
Yeah, they really looked like it for a minute.
► 01:08:12
Wow, did they fall off.
► 01:08:13
Yeah.
► 01:08:14
That whole era had, like, them, the hives, the vines, the vines, the strokes.
► 01:08:21
Well, the strokes kind of did succeed for a bit.
► 01:08:23
Sure, but, like.
► 01:08:24
The rest of them just, like, they're the next big thing, and then nothing.
► 01:08:28
Yeah.
► 01:08:29
Jet.
► 01:08:29
Jet.
► 01:08:30
Wolf Mother.
► 01:08:32
Oh, yeah.
► 01:08:33
I mean, that was that era of like, sorry, I just dropped a cap that sounded like I dropped a motherfucking.
► 01:08:39
That was weird.
► 01:08:40
That was weird.
► 01:08:41
That was.
► 01:08:41
Yeah, the time was like, we're back to rock, guys.
► 01:08:44
Yep.
► 01:08:45
Boy bands are gone.
► 01:08:46
Yeah.
► 01:08:47
We're fucking back to rock.
► 01:08:48
Did not work out.
► 01:08:49
And then they all just farted off.
► 01:08:51
Yeah.
► 01:08:52
I think this the reason why Jack the Ripper is as popular as it is is because a catchy name.
► 01:08:59
Sure.
► 01:09:00
And.
► 01:09:00
What if he was Leather Apron?
► 01:09:02
You wouldn't hear about him.
► 01:09:03
Never.
► 01:09:03
No.
► 01:09:04
The enduring legacy of leather apron.
► 01:09:06
You wouldn't hear about him.
► 01:09:07
No.
► 01:09:08
Also, Jack.
► 01:09:09
But Saucy Jack?
► 01:09:11
That's pretty good.
► 01:09:11
That's pretty good.
► 01:09:12
But Jack the Ripper is fucking perfect.
► 01:09:15
It's like a wrestling name of being like perfect.
► 01:09:18
Yeah, now you got it.
► 01:09:18
Syllables are all in.
► 01:09:20
It's perfect.
► 01:09:21
Also, this idea of, like, Google, Google image, Jack the Ripper.
► 01:09:26
Okay.
► 01:09:26
It's usually a silhouette.
► 01:09:28
It's a silhouette and almost like that Sherlock Holmes-y kind of look.
► 01:09:32
The top hat and the cloak.
► 01:09:33
Yeah.
► 01:09:33
I mean, it's sexy.
► 01:09:35
It's a sexy story.
► 01:09:37
The visual imagery of a guy in like a cloak coming down an alley with a knife and a top hat.
► 01:09:43
Oh, yeah.
► 01:09:44
And it's a, it's a, I mean, like, if I, if I'm listening, if I'm talking to people at home and I say, kind of close your eyes and what do you think of when you think of Jack the Ripper?
► 01:09:53
You think of a quiet street.
► 01:09:55
You think of the footsteps down the cobblestone streets, maybe a horse drawn, a black horse drawn carriage.
► 01:10:05
Yeah, but a lot of that isn't real.
► 01:10:06
Like, that's the image that we've created.
► 01:10:08
Sure.
► 01:10:08
Like, even the reports of people who saw these women with men right before they died described him as, like, sort of shabby.
► 01:10:15
But that's not important.
► 01:10:16
That's, like, in the Bible.
► 01:10:17
What does the Bible say Jesus looks like?
► 01:10:18
Nothing.
► 01:10:20
Doesn't say he's Middle Eastern?
► 01:10:21
Like, I'm not sure it gives a physical description of Jesus.
► 01:10:24
A pair of, like, Wool or something?
► 01:10:27
I don't know.
► 01:10:27
I'm actually in the middle of a reread of the Bible, so I'll let you know when I get there.
► 01:10:31
Are you doing an audio?
► 01:10:33
No.
► 01:10:34
No.
► 01:10:34
But what do we all want to pretend Jesus looks like?
► 01:10:37
Whitey.
► 01:10:38
A fucking hippie dude, long hair, beard.
► 01:10:41
What do we want to look at him like Russell Brand?
► 01:10:43
What do we want to think God looks like?
► 01:10:45
Old man, white hair, white beard.
► 01:10:47
Yeah.
► 01:10:48
So it's like we.
► 01:10:49
Like a.
► 01:10:49
God is Colonel Sanders who's let himself go.
► 01:10:53
That's the vision we have, sort of.
► 01:10:56
Or like your 19.
► 01:10:58
Or Santa.
► 01:10:59
Or, like, we'd like to think that, yeah, God is like, let's see.
► 01:11:05
I was going to say Triple H from 2005 with cerebral assassin?
► 01:11:11
White hair and beard.
► 01:11:12
I don't know.
► 01:11:13
You know what is weird I've never thought about?
► 01:11:15
Why do we imagine God has age?
► 01:11:18
You know, like, we think of him as an old man.
► 01:11:21
Why would he have an age?
► 01:11:22
Like, why would he.
► 01:11:24
Like, all those images of him as an old man with kids sitting on his lap and stuff.
► 01:11:28
Because.
► 01:11:29
Why would he choose to be 70?
► 01:11:31
Because.
► 01:11:32
The idea that God is a four year old or a baby or something like that.
► 01:11:36
God is ageless by definition.
► 01:11:38
We link wisdom with age.
► 01:11:41
That's stupid.
► 01:11:42
Real dumb, guys.
► 01:11:43
And he's our daddy.
► 01:11:45
Daddy!
► 01:11:46
We don't want to make daddy mad.
► 01:11:47
We shouldn't do that because that gets into Trump stuff.
► 01:11:50
I think Jack the Ripper owes it all to marketing.
► 01:11:54
Yeah, yeah.
► 01:11:55
I think whoever was the image consultant, that brand, the top hat, the shadowy figure, the London fog.
► 01:12:04
Yeah.
► 01:12:05
London fog.
► 01:12:06
No, that was a clothing company back in the day.
► 01:12:08
It's also a type of tea.
► 01:12:10
London Fog.
► 01:12:10
Oh, it is, yeah.
► 01:12:11
I had a lot of those jackets, I believe.
► 01:12:13
I bought them at Burlington Factory growing up as a kid.
► 01:12:15
London Fog was like, oh, London Fog.
► 01:12:17
You know what else I think is if he had ever gotten caught, all that marketing wouldn't have helped.
► 01:12:23
Like, all of it would, like, it's the allure of the marketing plus the mystery of we don't know.
► 01:12:27
And a faceless man.
► 01:12:28
Yeah.
► 01:12:29
That's what the shadow allows.
► 01:12:31
Because with this idea of if I were to sort of get a room full of strangers and I was like, What do you think he looks like?
► 01:12:42
I bet people are going to be like, might be like a handsome guy.
► 01:12:44
Sure.
► 01:12:45
Suave, maybe.
► 01:12:47
I don't know why I think he's suave and handsome and wearing a.
► 01:12:53
I imagine him being very much like putting on these leather gloves.
► 01:12:56
Yeah.
► 01:12:57
As a button down vest.
► 01:12:59
Maybe a pencil thin mustache.
► 01:13:01
Yeah.
► 01:13:01
Meanwhile, all the reports are a shabby dressed guy with a cloak and a beard.
► 01:13:06
Sure.
► 01:13:06
I don't know.
► 01:13:09
I mean, if you look at my last note here.
► 01:13:12
If you read the last thing on this page, who knows?
► 01:13:15
Yeah, who knows?
► 01:13:16
You should have thrown three question marks after that.
► 01:13:18
Yeah.
► 01:13:18
I know, and I do know what you're saying, especially as far as this podcast goes.
► 01:13:23
I do really hate to not be able to say, like, here's what happened.
► 01:13:26
Yeah.
► 01:13:27
I mean, like I said, the royal one is hot as shit, but it's not true.
► 01:13:31
But the Charles Latchmere one is very plausible.
► 01:13:36
He is a guy who really, you can't say he did it, but it could very well have been him.
► 01:13:45
Yeah.
► 01:13:45
Because all of the crimes, except for one, happened where he would have.
► 01:13:49
Been on his route to work.
► 01:13:51
Sure.
► 01:13:51
I mean, and he would have gone in early in the morning.
► 01:13:54
Yeah.
► 01:13:54
He discovered the first body in a state that it looked like he was being caught.
► 01:13:59
The other one that wasn't on that work path was near his mother's house.
► 01:14:04
Yeah.
► 01:14:05
I mean, there's just a lot of circumstantial evidence that looks pretty good.
► 01:14:09
He lied to the cops whenever he was that night.
► 01:14:13
It was a situation where the guy was close enough to him when he was with the body that he couldn't have run away.
► 01:14:19
I think that makes sense.
► 01:14:20
What a great, like, oh shit, someone's.
► 01:14:22
Someone has hurt this person.
► 01:14:24
We found this body.
Work Route Murders
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► 01:14:25
You hurt this person.
► 01:14:26
You know what I mean?
► 01:14:27
You did it.
► 01:14:27
So we don't have closure, but that's comfortable for me, like thinking that was him.
► 01:14:32
You can't say it definitely, but.
► 01:14:34
What a bummer that we don't know for sure what happened.
► 01:14:36
Yeah.
► 01:14:36
What a fucking bummer.
► 01:14:38
Yeah.
► 01:14:38
I mean, that's one of those things.
► 01:14:39
I was talking to my brother a ways back, and we're talking about what superpowers we would have.
► 01:14:43
And his was the one he would want is to be able to know, like just go back in time to be able to know what happened during certain things.
► 01:14:51
But you can't do anything about it.
► 01:14:52
Not like change things, but just have the knowledge of like, Oh, shit.
► 01:14:55
That's what happened there.
► 01:14:57
Yeah.
► 01:14:57
So, I mean, that is a very appealing superpower.
► 01:15:00
I went with telepathy.
► 01:15:04
Can you tell what I'm thinking right now?
► 01:15:06
Lame superpower?
► 01:15:07
That's what they want you to think.
► 01:15:09
No.
► 01:15:09
I mean, I do that.
► 01:15:10
That is.
► 01:15:10
But, but, but.
► 01:15:10
That's an issue.
► 01:15:11
I want to be clear.
► 01:15:12
Yeah.
► 01:15:13
I only want telepathy if it also means I can put thoughts in other people's heads.
► 01:15:16
Ooh, damn.
► 01:15:17
Yeah.
► 01:15:18
So, I would say.
► 01:15:19
But that's only because I want people to be happy.
► 01:15:21
I know.
► 01:15:21
I'll just be happy.
► 01:15:22
Do you want to know what they think about you, though?
► 01:15:24
Calm down.
► 01:15:24
Of all time.
► 01:15:25
Don't get hot.
► 01:15:26
Don't get hot.
► 01:15:27
That's what I would be shooting into people's heads.
► 01:15:28
Yeah.
► 01:15:29
Calm down.
► 01:15:30
Calm down.
► 01:15:30
If I was a member of the Psychopathic Records roster, I would be Jack the Ripper.
► 01:15:37
Rippa.
► 01:15:37
R I P A.
► 01:15:38
I guarantee that's already a rapper.
► 01:15:40
Google it.
► 01:15:41
It's got to be.
► 01:15:44
Also, wasn't Rip the Jacka?
► 01:15:46
Wasn't that a cannabis album?
► 01:15:48
Oh, man.
► 01:15:48
I think it was.
► 01:15:50
I really hope that's true.
► 01:15:52
Jack the Rippa.
► 01:15:53
Rip the Jacka.
► 01:15:54
That's great.
► 01:15:56
Jack the Rippa with an A?
► 01:15:59
No.
► 01:16:00
Search only for Jack.
► 01:16:01
Go to RappersName, officially rappersname.com.
► 01:16:05
Is that a.
► 01:16:05
Kelly Rippa?
► 01:16:07
Oh, that's great.
► 01:16:08
Kelly the Rippa?
► 01:16:09
Oh, man.
► 01:16:09
We're really hitting a wall here, buddy.
► 01:16:11
If I was a female rapper.
► 01:16:12
Uh huh.
► 01:16:13
If I was a white, blonde, young female rapper.
► 01:16:16
LL Cool J has a song called Jack the Ripper.
► 01:16:18
I would call myself Kelly the Rippa.
► 01:16:22
Ooh.
► 01:16:23
That's hot.
► 01:16:23
That's Legs Diamond's girlfriend's name, Kelly the Rippa.
► 01:16:27
Rip the Jacker.
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Okay, please be a cannabis album.
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Oh, man, this is sad.
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The first thing that comes up is RIP The Jacka.
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The Jacka was a Bay Area rapper who apparently was murdered.
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That sucks.
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I'm sorry about that.
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That's a bummer.
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Rip the Jacker, not with an A. Rip the Jacker, studio album from 2003 by Cannabis.
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Cannabis.
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Did Cannabis have a feud with LL Cool J?
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Was he the one about the tattoo?
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Pass me the mic.
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I believe so.
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He wanted to get the tattoo, the LL Cool J microphone tattoo.
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And LL goes, nah, man, get your own.
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What's wrong?
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You're laughing so much.
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I was just looking at the track list for Rip the Jacker.
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Yeah.
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The first song is called Genobus.
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Genobus?
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Genesis Genobus.
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Second track?
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Levitibus.
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Oh my god.
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I love it.
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I wish you had just kept that going, but he doesn't.
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I actually saw him perform that whole album after Wizard of the Hood at the gathering.
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Was there any other great album?
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Warren G. came to just do Regulator.
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Really?
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Just a one song set?
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A one and done.
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He didn't do this DJ?
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Nope.
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I was like, oh, what's he going to do next?
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And he's like, bye, everybody.
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And that was it.
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Bam.
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Boy, Warren.
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Nate Dogg is really missed without.
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Yeah.
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We kind of handled the Nate Dogg version.
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The whole crowd?
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Part of it.
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Yeah.
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That's kind of fun.
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Yeah.
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36 Mafia was supposed to be there.
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They didn't show?
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No, I think they did, but later.
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It was just Crunchy Black who showed up?
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No.
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They apparently have some type of super group now.
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Sure.
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I mean, they always have had the Hypnotized Minds Collective.
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I don't know.
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And then there was another group.
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So it was sort of like a.
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When I performed with Two Live Crews, just Fresh Kid Ice and some other dudes, it was like that?
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No, no, no.
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Oh.
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36 Mafia was supposed to show up, Juicy J. DJ Paul.
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Yeah.
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Not Crunchy Black anymore.
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He left the group.
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Kelly the Rippa.
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She does a lot of chorus work.
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They were supposed to do a song, but then they were also, apparently, from what I heard, they have some type of super group with some juggalos.
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Oh, I was unaware of that.
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Something.
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That's smart.
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Yeah.
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Good marketing.
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I tell you what, if you are a recording artist of note and your career needs a little shot in the arm and you feel the industry might be ignoring you, uh huh.
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I tell you what.
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Go over there.
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There's a whole world waiting for you.
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What's great about it, too, is you can go over there and people who aren't juggalos aren't going to hate you, but you'll get this huge group of people who will love you.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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And I think, you know, it was fun.
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I like to think that if Jack the Ripper was alive now, he'd have a great time at the gathering.
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No, we wouldn't accept it because we're kicked out.
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No, he'd be kicked out.
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Murder is not allowed at the gathering.
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That ain't in with family.
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Like if he tried to kill his first person, I would be like, Jack.
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And he'd be like, what?
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And he'd be like, Jack.
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Jack.
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Don't do it.
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You'd be like, whoop, whoop.
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Whoop, whoop.
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My bad.
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My bad.
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Let me get in that net.
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I'm a little over, and this is going back to the gathering.
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I wish I talked about this at the beginning.
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I'm a little over the news crews, the reporters coming being like, what a freak show.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like, we're still doing that story.
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That's lame as hell.
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We're really still doing, like, my friend Nathan Rabin wrote a book.
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Yeah.
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Great book.
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About gathering.
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You don't know me, but you wouldn't like me.
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But you already hate me, or you don't like me, about fish fans and the ICP fans.
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Yeah.
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And that, and this is a dude who is not just like, look at these fucking weirdos, which I've seen that story.
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Yep.
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Um, Rabin's book is really gentle and interesting.
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Well, and it comes from a place of love because he's a fish fan and he's a juggalo.
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Yeah, and there's a lot of humanity.
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And he, and he's, he was there this year.
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He's always like, he loves it.
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The idea of people mocking it is also just as a whole is lame.
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Right.
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And it's just a shortcut.
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It's just, it's, it's, it's the stuff.
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It's a stereotype.
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It's just as dumb as saying like, All, uh, you know, Hillary voters are this, or all Trump voters are that, or all, all Jewish people are that.
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It's, it's a stupid thing.
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If you like rap, you're an idiot.
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Sure.
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That sort of thing, yeah.
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And, uh, again.
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Generalizations are stupid.
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Again, I will say that, uh, at no time, at no time there, did I fear for my safety, which people can't believe.
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That's nuts.
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I fear for my safety walking down the streets of Lakeview.
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At no time.
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Dan.
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I'm just scared all the time.
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I've gotten in, I've gotten in almost more fights at, uh, at, uh, Ian's Pizza or Demos, whatever it is over here, the pizza place.
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I almost got a fight there the other day.
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Yeah.
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Not at the gathering.
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Not at the gathering.
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Not at two times at the gathering versus one time getting pizza out of place.
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That's nuts.
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Well, on that note, Jack the Ripper, we don't know who you are, but I do think that you're this Charles Lachmere guy.
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This is unsatisfying.
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Dan, we might get sued by his estate for that.
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I don't think so.
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That's what.
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I don't think you can get sued for saying you think something.
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I don't know, but who knows?
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Allegedly.
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I think Jack the Ripper is all marketing.
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All sizzle.
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No sauce?
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What do they say?
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All sizzle, no bacon.
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All sizzle, no bacon.
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I don't think that's it.
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I don't know.
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Um, so yeah, who knows?
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This is slightly unsatisfying, but still fun.
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This has been a good time.
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Listen, Marty.
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Listen.
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I could sit and talk to you about murder.
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Sure.
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All the goddamn time.
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Damn right.
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Uh, and you know what else people should do all the damn time?
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Go to your Twitter over at Marty DeRosa.
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And they should go to your Twitter over at Freezing Point.
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Sure.
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And please, website's Freezing Point.
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Please subscribe to the podcast.
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I'm going to do way less marketing in the future.
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What's new over there at Freezing Point?
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I mean, we got Buds on Film.
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We've got some movie stuff.
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I'm going to do some solo episodes regularly by myself.
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Buds on Film?
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What?
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Buds on Film?
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Oh, no, Just the regular podcast.
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Just me and people.
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I will say this.
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People can call in and talk to me one on one as well.
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I will say this.
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Yeah.
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Those solo podcasts can't be easy to do.
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No, it's a challenge, but it's fun.
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I like it.
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And you do a good job.
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Thank you.
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I'm a big fan.
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I appreciate that very much.
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I'm also a big fan of yours and your work over at Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling.
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That's right.
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And Wrestling with Depression, your two banner podcasts.
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You can check those out over there.
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Dan, if you would have told me one of those podcasts would have been mine, I would have said, You're crazy.
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Let alone the fact that both.
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No, I'm kidding.
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Formerly number 33 in the sports ratings.
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We're in the top 100, and we're very happy.
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Entrenched.
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We are entrenched.
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Uh, people should go check those out over at WrestlingWithDepression.com and at the iTunes for, uh, the Marty and SarahLoveWrestling.
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And MartyandSarahLoveWrestling.com.
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Oh, you got that one?
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Fuck yeah, we got that one.
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Uh, also.
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Got that on lockdown, baby.
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Uh, Squarespace, what's up?
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ComediansyoushouldKnow.com.
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Your show every Wednesday night here in Chicago.
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What, you okay?
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You almost did a spit take.
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I just took a sip and I, I, I have a bottle of, uh, honest iced tea and you know how you put it above your bottom lip?
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Yeah.
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I went below my bottom lip on that one.
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Marty.
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And it went all over my face!
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That is Amateur drinking.
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That's not how they want you to drink.
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That's not how they want you to drink.
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Also, please do enjoy Jam Sandwich.
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Check that out.
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Our friend Nick Rowley is playing the best over at manontop69.com.
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You guys should check it out.
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Dan, I love what you're doing.
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Thanks.
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I want you to keep doing what you're doing.
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I'm going to try and do most of it.
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You're winning the brain battle.
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We've got to get better topics.
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We really need to plan a little better on that.
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This is probably an off the air conversation.
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Oh, let's do this.
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Okay.
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Let's do.
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That's what they want you to think, AMA.
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Okay.
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Sure.
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I think that would be fascinating and fun.
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I would be down to do it.
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It would give us lots of.
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It would give us the opportunity to hit a lot of subjects that we don't want to do a whole episode on.
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Sure.
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You know, just quick little, like, hey, what do you think happened here?
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Or what do you think about this?
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And then if we feel like we're onto something, we'll put that aside and make that an episode.
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We might do this.
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We'll talk about it.
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Anyway, this has been fun.
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Barty, thanks for joining.
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Uh, we already did some plugs.
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We don't need to do that again.
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I don't want to plug anymore, man.
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I'm tired.
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Listen, guys, there's a brain battle going on out there, okay?
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Yeah.
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We're all fighting in it.
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Be on the right side.
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Be on the right side.
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Be on the kind side.
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Mm-hmm.
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Fight the power.
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Fight the power.
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Um.
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Don't fire people in the middle of the night if you're a clown.
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Honor your contracts.
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And don't get hot.
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This is why you sign a contract with clowns.
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Yeah, seriously.
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They're notoriously wiggly.
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Get out of those deals.
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Uh, guys, thanks for joining us here in Boomtown.
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We'll catch you next time here on the podcast.
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But until then, I've been Bogle Jub, the White Mystery.
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Now, please, get out there.
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Go do your job.
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Which, what is it, Marty?
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It's to love somebody.
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Yeah.
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And not murder them.
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Don't murder people.
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That's what they want you to think.
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That's what they want you to think.
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That is what they want you to fucking think.
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What do my neighbors think of us singing this song?
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They can't hear the background music.
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Check the ripper.
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He was a dude who probably just killed a couple women in the streets because he probably had some weird sex thing going on.
Weird Dick Theory
00:00:41
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Weird dick, probably.
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Weird dick, definitely.
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Weird dick, possibly.
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Fuck that weird dick, most certainly.
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That's what they want.
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You to think he had a weird crankbag.
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What he didn't want you to see when he took his trousers and bloomers off.
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You can't have bad teeth and a weird dick, Dan.
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No way.
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That is a deadly combination for the ladies of the night.
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Still, my family crest.