Welcome to Freezing Point
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All I do is smash heads, bro.
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Hey everybody.
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Hello.
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Welcome back to Freezing Point.
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Happy Wednesday to y'alls.
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Hump Day is, uh, in full effect.
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Yeah, Hump Day.
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It's for humping.
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It's for getting over the hump.
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Uh, boy.
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I'm not proud of myself that I said Hump Day to begin with, and then I kept going with it.
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I'm ashamed of my instincts.
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At least you didn't say it's a whip-em-out Wednesday.
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That would be just direct theft.
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Uh, ladies and gentlemen, my guest today, very excited to have him back in the studio.
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Very excited for the reason that he's here.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Marty DeRosa.
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Uh, we're not taking a trip up north.
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No, we are not.
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We're not reporting on spice.
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We're heading west, baby.
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We're heading west.
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Although the subject matter we're talking about is from the land of Degrassi.
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It is.
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Oh, this, this has international implications.
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As they say in wrestling a lot of times.
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It's an international incident.
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This is an international incident.
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This, uh, conspiracy theory crosses borders.
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Mm-hmm.
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So ladies and gentlemen, you just tipped your hat there, Marty.
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I did.
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It's, we're back.
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My, my, as I'm in a trench coat.
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A fedora.
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And a fedora.
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Tipped real low.
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Just hanging out in the shadows.
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Uh, due to public demand.
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Nick Rowley.
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Just Nick.
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Just Nick.
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I got some other tweets from people too.
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Yeah, it wasn't just Nick.
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Although Nick Rowley, uh, of the Jam Sandwich podcast is a big enthusiast of, of our now, was deceased?
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Yes.
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Now resurrected podcast.
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Yes.
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That's what they want you to think.
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Hit it.
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We're back.
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Hit it.
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Oh boy.
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I've been working on this for days.
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That's what they want you to think.
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They want you to think this stuff It just happened because it happened, but you know and I know that there's a mysterious Illuminati out there and dark world forces causing people to die.
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I don't want to say how because that will give up this episode, but it's one of the creepiest and it'll make you think twice to stay in a hotel that a serial killer once lived in.
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That's what they want you to think.
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That's what they want me to think theme song.
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That's what they want you to think theme.
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I gotta be honest.
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Your, uh, Wayne Brady skills were a little better before we started recording.
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You know what I really got most excited about is- You might.
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For everyone listening, Marty freestyled about three minutes.
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They want you to think.
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Yeaah.
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That's what- They want you to think.
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That's kind of my rage against the machine.
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That's what- They want you to think.
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When you started playing- That's Power Man 5000-ish.
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That is.
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Worlds Collide.
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My old, uh, backyard wrestling theme song.
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Worlds Collide?
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Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah, yeaah.
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Hell yeaah, man.
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Uh.
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Oh, you're ready to- One of my many.
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I would change it.
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I would change it almost every week.
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And my friends would always give me shit about that.
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You kind of need to, they gotta keep it fresh.
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Yeaah.
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Uh, but- When you started playing the Freezing Point theme song, which you are kindly enough to let Sami Zayn borrow.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You stole it from us.
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When that, when, like, he was on the shelf, no one was using that song for months, uh, and you made it your own.
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I feel super guilty about it now, which we've discussed a little bit.
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You know what, you know what, I was thinking last night when, or two nights ago when I was watching Monday Night Raw, uh, on his gear, uh, his, his long tights, I thought, you know what, you can throw a Freezing Point logo on there.
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Oh, like a race car?
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Because he's got the stripes.
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I mean, they're the Sky-inspired checkers, but it's, it does kind of remind me of a checkered flag.
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First of all, we need a better logo then, because it can't just be my face, or like that body picture of me.
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Right, right, right, right.
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You gotta get, I, I, you know what, that's something I'd like to see you get in the next few months, a nice logo.
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You know what I would like to see?
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What?
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Uh, instead of that, Sami Zayn, right across his ass, it just says, uh, TWTWYTT.
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That's what they want you to think.
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That's what they want you to think.
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Everybody's confused and then they Google it and can't find it.
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I'm like, what am I, what does that mean?
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Like, that may be a hashtag, and then, and then there'll be some, uh.
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Because this podcast is largely un-Googleable.
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Yes.
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Uh, but Marty, we, uh, decided we were gonna resurrect this somewhat.
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We did.
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And, uh, I asked you, what is a topic in the conspiracy realm that is hot on your mind?
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Well, it's not just hot on my mind.
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I feel like this is the hot new theory.
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You think so?
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I think so.
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I think, I think as far as the, the new ones, I mean, your new class, you've got, you've got your, uh.
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Your veterans are like JFK.
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Of course.
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You've got your JFK, you've got all your, all your Nazi stuff, which we, which we cracked open.
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We dissected like a frog in junior high and we solved it.
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They're, they're.
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For those keeping score, CIA did the JFK assassination and there are Nazis on the moon.
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Yeah.
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Duh.
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What are we talking about here?
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Just sometimes I look up at the moon and I can see them.
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I'm like, you guys are not even hiding.
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Yeah.
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Um, And I like to think they're wearing white uniforms on the moon.
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But anyway, uhm, your new ones are your, your school shootings.
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Uh, crisis actors.
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Crisis actors.
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Which is baloney.
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Which, really?
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Yeaah.
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Come on, I've seen them on Facebook.
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They have Facebook pages.
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Ugh.
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Anyway, crisis actors, uhm, blah blah blah.
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I wanna make it clear that we're never gonna talk about that.
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Cause I hate that stuff.
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Like I, I, I legitimately think that crisis actors stuff is offensive.
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Okay, answer me one and then we're moving on.
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Okay.
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The guy who's like warming up before they go on CNN and he's like laughing and stuff.
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But, but, I, I don't, I don't pretend to know how anybody would respond to any situation.
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You and I are used to performing.
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That's true.
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So we probably wouldn't, like, we would act naturally until a camera came on us.
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Okay, okay.
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Whereas some people might be freaking out just about the idea of like, hey, TV news is here.
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Yeah, right.
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There's plausible deniability all over the place.
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Yeah, that's probably what they want you to think.
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Anyway.
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Take a shot when we say that.
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No.
The Art of Performance
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Um, but, but, uh, let's see, what are some other kind of current the newer ones?
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Yeah.
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Um, chemtrails are kind of newer.
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Okay.
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Well, maybe not newer, but they've gained steam more popularity there.
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Yeaah, uhm, and, uh.
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Lizards are always hot.
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Yeaah, lizard people in the government.
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Uhm, I really think this is Illuminati's time to shine.
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Sure.
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You know, I really feel like they're the, they're the in vogue conspiracy theory.
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The economy and our politics system are seeming to collapse at the same time.
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It's a political year, absolutely.
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And, uh, and then we've got our little, uh, elevator darling.
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Uh, what we're talking about today is the suspicious and mysterious death of Alyssa Lamb.
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And also, uh, the hotel itself.
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The Hotel Cecil.
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Which is sort of, uh, a character in the most recent American Horror Story.
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Yeah, that, uh, that was heavily inspired by the events that we're going to be talking about today.
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Because this hotel.
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It's like an entire season, right?
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Yeah, this hotel has a long history before, before our young friend from up north took a road trip down south.
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A little information about the hotel itself.
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Please go.
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It's found, uh, very close to Skid Row.
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Uh, the notorious homeless and drug addict community in Los Angeles.
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And I don't know, and I, I don't know, you say that and people are like, oh, okay, Skid Row.
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Skid Row is like nothing else you've ever seen.
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If you've never seen Skid Row.
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I've only seen pictures myself.
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It is crazy frightening.
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It's, it's not, it's, you, you see it and you're like, how is this possible in a major metropolitan city?
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It's sort of like Hamsterdam from The Wire.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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There's these ten, it's, it's, it is crazy, uh, and it's, it's wild that it exists, let alone exists in, in one of our It almost feels like the, um, I don't know.
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I don't remember if this is the point of that book, The Whipping Boy, but it's like, you can have a good society, but you have to, there's one kid gets the shit kicked out of him all the time, and that's what allows that society to, it's like a thought experiment kind of thing.
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I feel like that Skid Row is like, well, that's what allows LA to, you know, be posh and, you know.
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And, and, uh, one of the greatest lines ever, uh, from the band Skid Row in the, uh, the amazing song Youth Gone Wild, there's an amazing line where it says, Park Avenue leads to Skid Row.
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And then Youth gone, wow, god damn, that's such a great song.
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Did he ever do a song about how he's gonna look like a complete weirdo in 20 years?
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Sebastian Buck?
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Yeah, you know what?
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I tried to watch one of those, uh, uh, trailer boys, trailer park boys movies, Swearnet.
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Oh my god, it was so terrible.
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I'm sure it is.
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Holy shit.
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But he was in it.
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And, uh, yeah, he looks like a crazy old lady.
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Yeah.
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That's the end result of hair metal.
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But anyway, more about the hotel.
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Um, it has, it has 600 rooms in it.
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14 floors, uh, of occupied, uh, area.
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Actually, it's debatable.
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I can't, I was getting information that it's 14 and 15.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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The sense that I got is maybe the 15th floor doesn't have like residential stuff on it or something like that.
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Uh, it is, uh, both a hotel and a long-term residence place.
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Yeah.
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So it's not the same as like an apartment building, but a lot of people live there for months at a time.
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Uh, so it's super weird in the sense that you could be there for a night if you're passing through and then there's someone who essentially lives there.
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Yeah.
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On a month-to-month lease.
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So driftery stuff.
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Yeah.
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It's real driftery.
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You're gonna, you're gonna assume some of these people live in there.
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Aren't, uh, aren't in the best positions in life.
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And, uh, that is historically backed up as, uh, both the Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez.
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One of my faves.
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And, uh, Jack Unterweger.
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I don't know if I'm pronouncing his last name correctly.
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Both of them were serial killers.
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Yeah.
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Who, while they were active, lived at the Hotel Cecil.
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And, uh, what, uh, uh, you have to forgive me.
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What is the Black Dahlia tie-in?
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That tie-in is that, uh, Elizabeth Short was the name of the actress.
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She was last seen alive at the Hotel Cecil before she was murdered.
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The Black Dahlia murder is one of those really grisly murders from history that's never been solved.
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Oh, man.
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And, uh, she was also known to hang out at the hotel a bit.
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Yeah, they had a bar and everything there.
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Uh, and, and that's another, uh, uh, man oh man.
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If you're ever in the Los Angeles area.
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Go stop in for, uh, fucking R.B. Walter.
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No, no, no, no.
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But I, but that would, I mean, that would be interesting too.
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But more so than that, the Museum of Death.
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Oh.
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Is like a, I don't even know.
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I don't want to say hidden treasure or whatever.
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People know about it.
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But it's in Los Angeles.
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If any of this stuff kind of, uh, tickles your fancy a little bit, there are some crime scene photos from the Black Dahlia murder.
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Holy shit.
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I don't know if I want to see those.
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You can't not see it once you see it.
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It's in my brain.
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Uhm.
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I have like, I have some of that about thoughts that I've had about this topic that we're discussing, about this whole situation.
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There's some little ideas that creep into your head and then they're very tough to shake.
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So that's a warning for later.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Also, this is one of the, this is one of these conspiracy theories that I'll, I'll Get in a YouTube wormhole about, where when I'm, I'm, I got the laptop on my tummy and I'm in bed.
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Maybe a little high.
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Maybe a little high.
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Maybe waiting for this on my door.
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Oh yeaah.
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I often think that's gonna happen, but, uh, this one spooks me out.
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It's, it's, it's real spooky for, for a number of reasons.
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Uh, just to give a little bit, just to finish the characterization of the hotel, cause I think it's important.
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Uh, there's at least one murder that happened on the premises of the hotel, and three documented suicides of people defenestrating themselves, just throwing themselves out the window.
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Yeah.
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And there have probably been more suicides that have been chalked up as, uh, like drug overdoses or things like that, accidental deaths.
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So there's a rich history of death and fucked up stuff happening there.
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Mm-hmm.
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So there you, that's, that's sort of the world we're living in.
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That's the picture that Dan has painted.
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Now into this world comes 21 year old Canadian lady, Alyssa Lamb.
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Canadian Asian.
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Uh, Canadian?
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Canadian.
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Canadian.
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Uh, she is a student.
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And she is sort of traveling and trying to get in a West Coast trip.
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Trying to see the, the west coast of America, planning to go to Las Vegas, Los Angeles, uh, Santa Clara, I don't know.
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Maybe.
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Sure, of course.
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San Rafael, where my grandma used to live.
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San Jose to see Dave Meltzer, the wrestling observer.
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Sure, and taking a Sharks game, perhaps.
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You bet.
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So she's taking this trip, and, spoiler alert, she doesn't make it past Los Angeles.
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She does not.
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Uh, on, she had been, like, talking with her parents, Her mom, very consistently.
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Yes.
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And sending postcards to her friends and very good contact with everybody.
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And, uh, that immediately stops on January 31st, 2013.
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No signs of, I gotta get out of here to clean my head or anything like that.
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This was a responsible young woman.
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No indications of any of that stuff.
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Uh, also, uh, that was the day that she was supposed to check out of the hotel.
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That was when her stay was going to be over.
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Uh, she goes missing at that point.
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Much like the Hotel California.
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You check in.
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You can't check in.
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Can't check out.
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Can't check out.
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Uh, she goes missing, and then I think it's around a week, week and a half later, uh, it gets, it starts to get more serious.
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It's like, oh, she's gone.
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Her family at some point comes down.
Missing from the Hotel
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They put it on the news.
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Her cell phone is entirely missing, and even despite all of the stuff that we're gonna get into has still not been found.
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Yeah.
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Uh, no signs of struggle in the room.
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Nope, not necessarily.
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And on February 19th, They find her body in the water tower on top of the roof of the hotel.
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Now let's backtrack a little bit.
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Yes.
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Uh, there were searches all over the building.
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They could not go into every room though.
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They couldn't go into every room, but some of the people staying at the hotel started complaining.
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Yes.
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About the water.
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When they would turn on the water, uh, for a couple seconds at least, the water would be black.
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There was discoloration.
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Yes.
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And a weird taste in the water.
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Yes.
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Which is, that, that, those reports are kind of apocryphal.
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In the sense that, like, I couldn't find anything that seemed concrete.
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Oh, really?
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Okay.
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I think it's probably true.
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I saw a video of a woman talking about it, but she seemed way too calm.
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Yeah.
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And I was kinda like crisis actor?
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You are a crisis actor, or actress, uh, you're way too chill about this, you, you, I mean, I don't wanna spoil, well, you know, go ahead, Lo Dan.
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Well, yeah, there, there was low water pressure too, was what, uh, that was, that's the most, like, definite thing that, uh, that led them to search the water tank.
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Right.
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Up on, up on the roof.
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And, uh, the, actually I have a quote from the, uh, the guy who found her.
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You really, you really did some investigating on it.
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I did some research.
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I really appreciate that.
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I listened to the old episodes that we did of this and I found them to be lacking in details.
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I always, I always remember, uh, and I think I talked about this before, uh, maybe when we were talking about the, the previous, that's what they want you to think, but I remember I, I had a term paper when I was in, uh, high school and I just really was like, whatever.
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And, uh, we had to pick like an author and I think I picked like E.E. Cummings and the, uh, the, the thing that, that my teacher wrote.
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On my paper was, you're trying to get blood out of a turnip.
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Meaning I had like three facts about him and I just kept going with it.
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It's the right color, but it ain't the right thing.
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Yup.
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Uh, so the guy's name is Santiago Lopez is the name of the maintenance man at the Hotel Cecil.
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Which is what I want, why I like love that that's his name.
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Sure, it's a great name.
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Such a great name for a maintenance man at a hotel.
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Uh, he found her in the tank because all of the complaints were coming in of the water pressure and he found her face up about a foot from the opening.
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And now if you think about that, a foot is not very far to be away from the top of the tank.
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But also, it had been three weeks, almost a month, so there's gotta be some fluctuation in the water level.
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So who knows where it was when she went in.
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Right.
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Beyond that, uh, she was naked, and all of her clothes and personal effects were in the tank with her.
Logistics of the Tank
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Yeah.
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Which doesn't seem that suspicious when you actually look at it, because if you're drowning and you have to keep treading water, clothes are heavy.
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You gotta get the clothes off.
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So that kind of makes sense.
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That part doesn't bother me that much.
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Right.
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And the clothes would sink more than a human body would, and so that would clog the drain more in terms of like the water release.
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Yes.
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So all that kind of matches up into A coherent thing.
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Sure.
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And, and I mean, it's easy to just go, ah, this girl got fucked up or something, and she was being a weirdo on the roof of the building.
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But then you gotta think about the logistics of her getting up to that water tower.
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Which, from my research shows, it is, you gotta know Santiago to get up there.
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You would have to know an employee generally.
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Yeah.
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You'd assume.
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They were, they, the, from, from what I recall in my research, aka being stoned watching videos on YouTube, uh, there's no way she had access to that building.
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I mean, to that, to those levels.
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If everything was going as it should, that is correct.
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Okay.
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But this is where also we get into some difficulty.
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There are four, according to Santiago Lopez.
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Yes.
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There are four ways to get up to the roof.
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Okay.
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Three are fire escapes that would automatically trigger an alarm.
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Yes.
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The fourth is a staircase that's located on the 14th floor.
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Now, you could get into that staircase easily, but once you exit to the roof, that would trigger an alarm.
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Okay.
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So, all of those alarms can be deactivated.
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In fact, he did deactivate them when he went up to search the roof.
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Okay.
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So, There's no way for anyone to know if the alarms were deactivated that night.
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Right.
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Or anything like that.
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So we don't have that information.
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But if they were, you could get up to the roof.
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You could.
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Yeah.
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Now, the reason why this conspiracy theory is as popular or salacious as it is, is because of the video.
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Yes.
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This is, this is the bread and butter of this.
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And this, I mean, if there were no video, this would still be one of those weird things where you'd be like, oh, okay, sure, maybe.
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That's weird.
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I don't know.
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That's a humdinger.
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But, Oh man, oh man.
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Does the conspiracy theory gods give us a treat on this one?
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There's a whole lot to unpack there.
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Uh, about a week before she was found, they released a video of her in the elevator, uh, of the hotel.
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Some of you might at home might be going, oh shit, I did see this.
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Yeah, yeah, a lot of people have seen it and probably forgotten.
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But it's a chilling kind of thing because you know she's gonna die.
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I famously did this in the elevator today coming up to Dan's apartment.
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You did.
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You, uh, you mockingly pretended you were a dead woman.
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I did it out of love.
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And of respect.
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And of respect, and we're gonna crack this case open today, so it's all for her.
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Uh, she is seen in the elevator, and she gets in and presses a couple buttons, and it's kind of unclear which buttons she's pressing.
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Yes.
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Uh, then the door doesn't close.
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Not at all, not for a while.
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She jumps out of the elevator, and is sort of looking around, and it appears that she's talking to someone, or at least gesticulating at somebody, then comes back into the elevator and hides against the wall, like right in the corner.
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It would look to the uninitiated that She's playing a little adorable game of hide and seek or something like that.
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Because she does not appear that scared.
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No.
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No.
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And, and then, I mean, obviously we'll get into all the different theories about it, but it's one of those things, yeah, it's very chilling when you watch it and realize, you know, she dies.
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She ends up, uh, mysteriously in a water tank hours later.
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Yeah.
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So there's a lot of, I mean, we're gonna get into all the different things or whatever about this.
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I wanna, I wanna deal with the video, a couple things about it real quick.
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Take the lead.
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Take the lead.
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So then she, she hits all the buttons then after she comes back in and is scared.
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And then exits the elevator and leaves.
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She ends up leaving and then the elevator door closes and you can see it go to other floors.
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Some amateur detectives have gone in and tried to figure out what they can about the elevator itself, and they found that if you hit the buttons that she hits, the delay in the elevator door closing is what's demonstrated in the video.
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Oh, okay, okay.
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So that part is not, like, the most suspicious thing.
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It does seem weird, and if I were in the elevator, I'd be freaked out as hell.
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Because it's taking this long?
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Yea, it takes for fucking ever.
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The other thing that they found, uhm, was that some people have tried to match up the timestamp That timestamp's very hard to read.
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It's very blurry, but they tried to match it up with real time time passing.
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And there's a pretty reasonable theory that it's been slowed down and that at least a minute is missing.
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Ooh.
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A minute is missing.
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I did see that where it jumps.
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Yeah.
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Did you see the one where that guy's by his computer?
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Did you watch the one video where the guy's by his computer?
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I don't know if I did.
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Okay.
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I watched that one and he definitely talks about, he's like, it goes like three to five.
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And the timestamp And, you know, I always, I always do appreciate when somebody's like, here's what probably might have happened here.
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And they were saying, you know, with the tape and a lot of these tapes are used over and over again.
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They can get degraded a little bit.
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They can.
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And, uh, so the timestamp is a little bit compromised.
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And there's also another reasonable theory that I don't think is the truth necessarily, but I could see.
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Now let's imagine a scenario where a completely innocent person walks past the elevator while all this is happening.
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Yeah.
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I don't think it's unreasonable to cut that out of the thing that you release to the public.
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If the police thoroughly checked that person.
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Okay, okay.
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Or something like that, and they just don't want to reveal at all, like, let's say a Dan Dries is coming back to his room, uh, and he, and maybe, maybe, like, looks in the elevator and is like, I'll take the stairs.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what's going on here, and just keeps walking.
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There is a plausible argument.
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Cause all of a sudden you've created a new thin man or something like this, like, who, who is this guy?
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Who's this smiley guy?
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Who's this smiley young boy, the baby, babyface assassin?
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Mm-hmm.
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Exactly.
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So I, I could see that.
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There's a hundred different possibilities that were like, That makes sense to me, but then there's a bunch of other ones that are nefarious.
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Yes, and that's what we're gonna, we're gonna delve into.
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So, she's in that elevator, she freaks out and all that, gets off, and then later is found in the tank.
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Now what's interesting about the elevator too, and these amateur detectives, is they've determined that she had to have been on the 14th floor when she got off the elevator.
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All of that you see in the elevator happened on the 14th floor by virtue of the exterior, how it looks in the hallway, and by the fact that she pressed the 14th floor button And it lights up and then goes off immediately because it's already on that floor.
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Okay.
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So they've, they've found that.
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And as we know, there is a staircase that goes up to the roof from the 14th floor.
Elevator Rituals and Games
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And, uh, ba ba ba ba.
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I lost my thought.
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Okay.
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So we, we, the stage is set there.
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Okay.
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So she was definitely on the 14th floor.
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Yes.
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And her room was on the 4th floor.
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That was the room I was gonna get to.
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Yeah.
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So.
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What is she doing up there to begin with?
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What is she doing up there?
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Very strange.
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Okay.
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Uh, We'll just get this out of the way real quick.
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It's one of my, it's one of my favorite little, uh, also there was a really bad movie made about this.
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No?
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Not about it.
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Before it.
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What?
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Are you talking about the Jennifer Connolly movie, Dark Water?
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No, no, no, no.
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Oh, okay.
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No, no, no, no.
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There's a really bad, like, movie about this.
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I don't, I don't know about this movie.
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It's got like a little girl, like the shining type of twins in the hallway and talking to her and stuff like that.
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Is it a Japanese movie?
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No.
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I think you're thinking of Dark Water.
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No, no, no.
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There's an Asian girl who's the star of the movie and she's very friendly with her cab driver and it's, it's Bad.
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It's real bad.
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Okay, so it's maybe a made for TV movie, even?
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Yeah, it looks, or just a really low-budge horror movie.
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Okay, okay.
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I know that, like, uh, they were going to make, at least, at least someone was going to make a movie based on this, so that's probably what you're referring to.
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Yeah, I'm sure it'll be in the works if it, if it hasn't already, but.
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I did not see that.
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The okay, one of the things that I saw one time, which really spooked me out, was this idea that there's some numbers game you can play in an elevator that will take you to another universe.
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It takes you to the other world.
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To the other world.
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And it's like you press two buttons at the same time, then you wait a minute.
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Not quite.
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30 seconds.
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You're close.
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Okay.
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You're close.
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Okay.
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Uh, from what I've been able to gather, This is a internet meme kind of thing from, I would assume from Reddit or some version of 4chan or something like that.
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Some place on the internet creates these spooky things.
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Okay.
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And then they become, like Slender Man.
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Sure.
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You know, it just becomes these things.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I said Thin Man.
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I meant Slender Man.
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That's a synonym.
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What is Thin Man from?
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Thin Man is another, like, really spooky thing, I think.
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Okay.
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I know that it is something.
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It's not nothing.
► 00:24:51
But, so the game, as it is, goes like this.
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The Thin Man was a movie starring.
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Margaret O'Sullivan.
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Of course.
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That's probably what you were thinking of.
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Yeah, of course.
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I celebrate her catalog.
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It's from 1934.
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I love it.
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I love old cinema.
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Uh, so the game is essentially played, uh, with, uh, now, I want to be clear when I start this out.
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Yeah.
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That this is the least credible theory in my mind.
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Oh, sure.
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This is just one, that's why I want to get it out of the way.
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Okay.
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I like it.
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If you guys have an elevator, uh, call us, talk us through it.
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You need an elevator that goes up to the tenth, at least ten floors.
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Yeah.
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And you get on alone on the first floor.
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And I don't remember the sequence of floors, but it's something like four, then two, then eight.
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You're going up and down a lot.
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Yeah.
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And you have to do them in order.
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You can't press all the buttons at once.
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Yes, yes.
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And then it's like four floors in, uh, you hit five.
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Uh huh.
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And you go to the fifth floor, and a girl enters the elevator.
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Uh huh.
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If you've done it right.
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And you're alone.
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And if the girl enters the elevator, you're not allowed to look at her or talk to her, or else she will claim you.
► 00:25:58
Yes.
► 00:25:58
Uh, so, uh, she gets in.
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Don't look at her.
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Hit floor one at that point when she gets in.
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If the elevator goes up, you're, you're in.
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If it goes down, you've done it wrong and you better get the fuck out of the elevator when it gets to the first floor.
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It goes to the tenth floor.
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She will ask you, where are you going?
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You do not respond because if you respond, she got you.
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She's yours.
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But as soon as you don't respond, you look around and she's gone.
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You're alone in the elevator.
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You exit and now you're in a whole different world.
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Fuck yes.
► 00:26:30
Warp zone.
► 00:26:31
Yeah, but there's- Yeah.
► 00:26:34
You can find a bunch of comments of people online who like, I did this and it has haunted me.
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Oh, that's what I love.
► 00:26:41
But it's all this stuff that's completely unverifiable and it's very hard to give any credence to an internet commenter.
► 00:26:48
It seems very, very much like a new thing that kind of caught on.
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Not in like a dirty Sanchez type of thing where people just started- They pretend they've done these sexual things.
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Of course, this is great.
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Everyone does it.
► 00:27:00
Yeah.
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I know a guy in college who did all those.
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Mmhm.
► 00:27:03
Yeah, yeah.
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He made it his sexual bucket list.
► 00:27:05
Yeah, that guy- Is an asshole and didn't do those things.
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Nah, not at all.
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But is still an asshole.
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But okay, so.
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So the thing is, like, eh, I don't believe that is true.
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That thing, that sort of thing is true.
► 00:27:16
Yes.
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It's out of like a horror movie or some fun internet writing.
► 00:27:20
But, if I were in an elevator and I was trying to do that, I'd be scared as shit.
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If you, it would be.
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I would be so scared.
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You have to be alone.
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Yeah.
► 00:27:29
But I was- And I don't know if you can have anyone on the phone either.
► 00:27:31
That's what I was gonna say, like, or just like, if you don't, if you didn't have to be alone and we were on like an elevator going somewhere and like, I remember, like, if you and I were on the elevator, I'd still be scared.
► 00:27:39
Could you imagine, like, Don's old elevator, our old therapist downtown, downtown, if we were on his?
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That elevator in that building would have been perfect.
► 00:27:47
It's a spooky little elevator.
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Fuck yeah.
► 00:27:50
Alright, so that's out of the way.
► 00:27:51
Some people say that they think she was trying to do that ritual.
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Is it an Asian thing or something?
► 00:27:57
I believe its roots are in Korea.
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Okay.
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But she's Chinese.
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Okay, she's Chinese.
► 00:28:01
Yeah.
► 00:28:02
Okay.
► 00:28:02
She's Chinese by way of Canada.
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Okay.
► 00:28:04
And so, that doesn't mean that she couldn't know a Korean thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But it just seems stupid.
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Okay.
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Perfect.
► 00:28:12
She's college educated.
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I mean did she go to the Harvard of the North?
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She did not go to Banting.
► 00:28:20
So, I don't know, that, that one's, that one's a little, a little out there.
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Okay.
► 00:28:23
And I just wanted to throw that out there.
► 00:28:24
It's, let's get it out of here.
► 00:28:26
Would, would you do that?
► 00:28:28
Well.
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Could you get yourself to do that?
► 00:28:30
When I started watching it, and, and thinking about it, first of all, I, directions are not my thing.
► 00:28:37
So, instantly, like, smoke's coming out of my ears, and I'm like, I don't even remember how to do this.
► 00:28:41
I wouldn't, like, I'm not a candy man in the mirror three times kind of guy back when that was hot.
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Sure, sure.
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I am not.
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I don't, I don't like to, uh, I don't like to mess with dark spirits.
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I don't go to, I don't go to, uh, cemeteries at night.
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Even though that's where my type of girls hang out, uh, back in the day.
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I would assume.
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I would have loved to have been there with you guys.
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But, I just, I don't, I don't fuck with the dark spirits.
► 00:29:04
The dark arts are a dangerous game.
► 00:29:05
I really, they are.
► 00:29:06
And I don't, I don't fuck with them that much.
► 00:29:09
Uh, if there's videos that I'm getting a little too scared from, I will, I will go right to some wacky wrestling.
► 00:29:13
I'm going right to, you know, Shockmaster falling through a, through a door, or through the wall, sorry.
► 00:29:18
The, the thing that sticks out to me about something like this is like, the payoff seems like zero.
► 00:29:24
It's like, what's the good, The only information I could get about what this other world is supposed to be, it's like, you're still on the tenth floor of this building.
► 00:29:38
But now things aren't how you remember them.
► 00:29:42
Everything is dark, all the lights are off, and there's a bright red cross out the window.
► 00:29:48
If you look out the window, you see a bright red cross.
► 00:29:51
Which is like, okay, so now you see this.
► 00:29:53
The only benefit of that is realizing that the world is not what we thought it was.
► 00:29:57
That's the only thing.
► 00:29:58
I mean, I would like to think maybe it's one of those things like you, you come out of the elevator and it's like, you know, the thirties and you're in a tuxedo and a, at a wild gala event or something and you're just like, oh shit.
► 00:30:10
It turns into, uh, shining.
► 00:30:13
Exactly.
► 00:30:13
That, that, uh, doesn't seem like a great payoff either though.
► 00:30:16
Well, I mean, I know that's my, I sometimes I think about that too.
► 00:30:18
Like if I could go back in time knowing what I know now, like how could I really cash in on that?
► 00:30:23
I don't know.
► 00:30:24
Buy AOL Time Warner stock and then sell it before they go out of business.
► 00:30:27
I don't know.
► 00:30:27
You could do that or, I mean, it depends on when you jumped to like, If you know a bit about sports history and stuff like that, you can use that, but then you got the butterfly effect to think of.
► 00:30:36
Yeah, there's some of that.
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But also, like, it would be great if you studied up on sports history and you're like, oh, I'm ready for this.
► 00:30:43
You time jump back, but you go to like the 20s.
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And it's like, fuck, I don't know anything about the 20s.
► 00:30:47
I know, I don't know, the Black Sox did something weird.
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I don't know, shit.
► 00:30:51
I'm gonna bet on the Negro League.
► 00:30:53
Yeah, I know, it's like, my dates might be off for a little bit, but.
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I'll just tell my child, like, don't bet on the Buffalo Bills and then I die, that's all.
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That'd be, I mean, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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But then you'd have a kid, there's a time ripple there.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Uhm, but.
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Alright, so that's out of- So anyway, my point is all outcomes seem bad.
Sports History and Weirdness
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Yeah.
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From this.
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So I would never mess with this.
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We're, we're, we're taking this off the table.
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We don't want you, we don't even want you guys to try it.
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Yeah.
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If you got an elevator.
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Freezing pointer sisters out there, don't do it.
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Don't fuck with them dark arts.
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Uh, so, taking aside for a second the idea that alarms would go off or the doors would be locked or those sorts of things for her to get onto the roof.
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Mm-hmm.
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Let's assume she can get onto the roof.
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This introduces a whole new series of dilemmas.
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How are you getting into that water tower?
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With a little Asian girl body.
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Right, and that's not to say that she's a weakling or anything like that.
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No, not at all.
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But the, the tanks are situated on an elevated platform.
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Yes.
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So you would have to climb up that platform.
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And then you would have to squeeze in between the tanks and in between a lot of like plumbing equipment to find the ladder that leads to the top of them.
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It's not like the ladder is just there.
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Yeah.
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You have to, you'd have to go find it.
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You'd have to get up on top of it and then lift the lid.
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Which is how I, I read that was quite heavy.
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It's, I've, This is another thing that there's conflicting reports on.
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Okay.
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A lot of people say like, that thing's fucking heavy.
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I heard like hundreds of pounds.
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I don't think so.
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Okay.
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I think that's pretty high.
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Okay.
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I think one of those lids, you could probably clock it in at like 50 pounds or something like that.
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Which is still not nothing.
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Sure.
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Uh, I think that she would reasonably be able to lift the lid, but closing it behind her would be another issue.
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Yeah.
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Because no lid like that would have a handle on the inside.
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Or it not closing on you when you're trying to slip in to this water tank.
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But if that were the case, she would have had abrasions and things like that.
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Right, right.
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Her body didn't show any kind of trauma like that, that would come from like getting, falling in in some like violent way.
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So all of that kind of, it's very, it doesn't really make sense.
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There is a way it could have happened, but it's like all these really weird circumstances would have to line up.
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The stars would have to align.
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Yeah.
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So, one way or another it did.
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I mean they did, she was in there.
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Yeah.
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Uhm, okay.
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So you, you.
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Oh, oh, just a couple more medical facts before we get into some more, uh, uh, the, She was, uh, bipolar in theory.
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Yeah.
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There's no, there's no like set diagnosis of her.
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There's no document that says, Alyssa Lamb, bipolar.
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Okay.
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But she was on medications that are generally, uh, for, uh, bipolar disorders.
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Okay.
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She was on like a Fexer, Seroquil, Welbutrin, and those sorts of things.
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Many of them were not in her bloodstream or in her body to a, uh, recognizable amount when they took her out of the tank.
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So some may say she was off her meds.
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It's possible, but who's to say, I'm not entirely sure if those things would be, uh, detectable after being it submerged in water for three weeks.
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Yeah, for sure.
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So I have no idea what the case is with that.
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Uh, they, she was not positive for drugs, uh, like heroin or any of those sorts of drugs.
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Uh, they did a rape kit apparently, but didn't process it.
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Interesting.
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Which is, it sounds fishy, but it isn't the most uncommon thing, because everyone who saw her said that she was alone.
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Like anybody who, there was a lady at the gift shop that she went to the day before she disappeared, and everyone at the hotel, like the front desk people said she was alone.
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There was never a, a Dandries type.
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There's no thin man.
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I love how Dan's our, our guy on this.
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Uh, so there's no, there, there wasn't a reason for them to suspect anything.
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Oh, I believe, I believe she went to a taping of Conan.
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Did she?
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I did, yeah, I believe so.
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I didn't, I didn't get that from my research.
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I believe she did.
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So it was Richter, right?
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Andy Richter did.
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I'm not saying.
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Uh, they did find a pool of, like, Blood pooled up in her anus.
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Okay.
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And her anus was prolapsed.
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Okay.
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But that doesn't mean necessarily that there is a sexual assault.
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It could be, the coroner said that it could be a result of being in the water.
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And then, and also when you die, sometimes your body does stuff.
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You evacuate.
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Yes.
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Uh, yeah, so that, that stuff is like, it, it's, it could be an indication of something, but it could also not be.
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Okay.
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So again, it's like this, this murky area.
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Okay.
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So where's your head at?
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Okay.
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Uh, a couple different things.
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Mmhm.
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There's my first, you know, I mean, when these, when these sort of like, you know, I don't know if this is the right word, but more of these like sexy conspiracy theories or, or, or situations start to happen, uh, people who are into these things kind of let their minds wander.
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And there are those instances of like, well, how did this happen?
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And it's like, well, here's how it happened.
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And you're like, oh, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
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Um, so I start looking at this and I started with the Korean elevator game.
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I mean, that just took me into a whole nother realm.
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No pun intended, but just like, You know, that, that was one of those where I was like, that got me, uh, maybe took my eyes off what was happening.
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Okay.
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But when I really started delving into this, uh, of course there's, um, just, you know, this girl was off her meds, uh, and I, listen, I, I, I don't know if you've ever done this.
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Have you ever been just drunk and been like, I'm just going to climb that fence and see what's going on over there.
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A hundred percent.
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I, uh, there's a treehouse in my neighborhood and I one time almost was like, I'm going in that treehouse.
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Yeah, we, we drove past that house when we were in Indiana and you pointed it out to me.
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Yeah, I was like, oh no, no, that was another, that was, that was another one that I always wanted to get in.
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Oh, that's right, that's right.
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But no, there, and there's just things like that where there's, there are, there are just kind of like, we used to call them physical challenges as kids, uh, just being like, let's get on the roof of that place.
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Yeah.
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Whatever.
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Between childhood-ness and intoxication, either of those things can lead you to do things that make no sense.
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Absolutely.
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And that's where, had I not seen the elevator video, I would have thought it's probably what she did.
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But, seeing the elevator video just, Kind of makes you throw a lot of logic out the window.
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Yes.
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Cause I, I, I'm weirded out by what I saw and I'm also very, very much inquisitive and questioning what the fuck was going on.
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Yeah.
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Now, then you bring in our old buddies, the secret society.
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You know what I mean?
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And then you start reading about maybe this was some type of ritual or maybe there was some real creepy stuff going on there.
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Sure.
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Mind control possibly.
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Uh, you know, so then you start hearing that stuff and again, Uh, once you see this elevator video, you start to go, mmm.
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Which you can easily Google.
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And you can just go ahead and watch it if you haven't watched it, so any of this will make sense.
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Go into YouTube and just write elevator, and it'll be like, we know what you wanna see.
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We know what the fuck you wanna see.
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Um, so then you start seeing that, and you start to go, what the fuck is going on?
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And, uh.
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When you watch the video, it does appear, like we said, that she's interacting with something.
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Something or someone.
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That leads me to one of two conclusions.
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One of them is hallucinations.
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Yes.
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Which could be caused by drugs.
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Or it could be caused by a bipolar break, a psychotic episode from going off medication.
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Yes.
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That's one option.
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The other option is there's actually somebody there who knows where the camera is and is like holding the button or something like that on the elevator and fucking around.
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It's entirely possible that that is the case.
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Sure.
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Also, if it was someone who lived there longer term, they would know those sort of things.
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The ins and outs of the building.
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Especially the kind of creeps who gravitate towards that hotel.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and, If you live there a long time, you might know sneaky ways to get around.
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You might.
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I know that almost every place I've ever lived, uh, up until the point I was like maybe 28 or so, cause I just kinda got bored with it, I'd always try and find ways to get around, like on the roof, try and find ways to get, just, I love to find like secret passageways and things like that.
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I can only assume that someone who lived at that fucking creep ass hotel for any period of time would be like, I wanna know the ins and outs.
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Right, and that's where you start thinking if there are some evil people there, and there's a girl, From Canada by herself, 21, that's a target.
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Yeah.
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She's got a big target on her back.
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Uh huh.
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If you're a creep living there, and conceivably naive.
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Sure.
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Uh, but clearly has some issues with mental health.
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Sure.
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May, may have, uh, some erratic behaviors that can make you a target very easily.
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But also too, even if everything is going a-okay and you just see this girl by herself, maybe you can strike up a conversation.
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Oh, where are you from?
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I'm from Canada.
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Oh, okay, okay.
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Yeah.
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Well, she did have a blog.
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Yeah.
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And, uh, she had posted something about, uh, a couple dudes who were kind of creeping her out a little bit at the hotel.
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No more real specific information about them is known, but that was something that So what, what sort of are the, the big sort of the, you know, JFK, you know, like Oswald acted alone, well actually it was the CIA, I mean what are sort of the, the big like, here's what might have happened with this?
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Well, here is the odds on rational explanation.
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This is what people who are big into logic and Occam's razor would say.
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Okay.
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She was on very heavy.
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What, explain Occam's razor again?
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The easiest explanation is always the correct, or is most likely the correct one.
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Okay.
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Uh, she was on these heavy medications, and she conceivably was not taking the ones that would have stopped a manic episode.
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And so she has a manic episode, she freaks out, is acting pretty crazy, doesn't know what floor she's on, hits all the buttons, is kind of freaking out, ends up on the roof.
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Now there's other variations on how like this could have gone.
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There's one theory that she got up on top of the thing and then saw like an employee having a cigarette break or something like that.
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Got scared, jumped in the tank, and then realized, ah shit, I can't get out of here.
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Okay.
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That's one theory.
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Any variation of accidentally falling in after a manic episode is sort of the reasonable explanation.
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Alright.
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Beyond that, if you want to factor in foul play, there is an idea that she could have been, uh, lured to the roof.
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It's much more difficult to assume that someone might have killed her and then brought her to the roof.
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Yeah.
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Cause then you'd have to drag a body Up to the roof and up on top of the, you have to bring her up the ladder.
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It seems, uh, like, uh.
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It's a thousand gallon tank.
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Like, it's huge.
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Sure.
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And, and it also, I mean, the way that they found her, there really wasn't anything going on.
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I mean, that's one of those where you can just be like, maybe just toss her off the roof and look like a suicide.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And if she was trying to commit suicide, there's a deep history there of people throwing themselves out windows.
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Yeah.
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It seems like that would be one of the worst ways to commit suicide is.
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I'm gonna drown myself in this tank.
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That doesn't seem like a way people commit suicide.
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It's gonna take forever for me to run out of arm strength and then choke.
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I don't see that as a way someone would commit suicide.
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I agree.
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That to me is inconceivable.
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The accident and murder are the two, like, sort of most likely.
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Paranormal and, uh, uh, like, sort of ritual stuff is hard to wrap my head around.
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Okay.
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But there's weird coincidences that we can't get around.
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Yeah.
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What did you just write down?
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What do her parents think?
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I don't know.
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I do know.
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I don't think they've made any real statements.
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Okay.
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But they did try and sue the hotel for wrongful death.
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Okay.
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And the case got thrown out.
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Alright.
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And what if the police ruled it?
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Just an accidental death?
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Yeah.
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Accidental death.
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Not suicide.
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They're unclear on the details.
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Okay.
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But they ruled it an accident and not foul play.
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Poor parents, man.
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Yeah.
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That's a fucking bomber.
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It'd be a fucking nightmare.
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Did the Canadian government say anything?
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Like, hey, America.
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Come on, man.
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I don't know.
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What's going on here?
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I don't know how much Canada gets involved in this story.
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I think they might want to just how do you feel?
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Where does this rank as far as some of the top conspiracy theories or?
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Well, so far we haven't gotten into stuff that makes it a conspiracy.
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Okay.
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Now here's where the conspiracy stuff comes in for me.
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Oh yeah, lay it on me.
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So.
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This is why you get paid the big bucks.
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In Los Angeles, right around that exact same time, within a couple weeks, maybe a week and a half or so of when her body was found, there was an outbreak of tuberculosis in Skid Row.
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And it was a particularly virulent strain of, uh, tuberculosis.
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I, I, I know where this is going and I love it.
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Uh, the commercial testing kit for, uh, tuberculosis is called Lamb Alyssa.
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Oh boy.
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Her name is Alyssa Lamb, which is very, very cool.
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I'm getting chills.
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I'm getting chills right now.
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I looked into it a little bit and the Lamb stands for lipo, uh, arabinomanon.
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It's like one long word.
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Yes.
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Uh, and I don't know what that means, but I think it's a fun word and I think it has something to do with fats.
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Cause lipo seems to be like lipid.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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Liposuction?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, um, That to me is an all, all, like a coincidence that is almost impossible.
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And also, when you're talking about like a tuberculosis outbreak and things like that and medication, it's kind of like, well where would you want to test this out on?
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We need some rats.
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Yeaah.
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We need some test subjects.
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Now if we want to get like, you know, super rational, you could say these are some of the most unhealthy people in the world.
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Absolutely.
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Uh, so they would also be at higher risk of just getting tuberculosis natural.
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And just that's true.
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Drug use.
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Hobo sex.
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It's gonna be the next, uh, video series.
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Uh, like bum fights.
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Yeah, hobo sex.
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Uh, the people who did assessments of the water that was at the hotel, uh, didn't find that it was contaminated with anything.
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Okay.
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So the idea that maybe she was, had this TB and it was used to like disperse it, that isn't as compelling.
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Oh, like her body was an agent for it.
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Yeah, put her in the thing and then they'll all get it.
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Like she was responsible for the outbreak.
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Patient zero.
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Yeah, and as a, like the name is a joke.
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It's crazy though that the name.
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The name is very, very difficult to get around.
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This is where I want to know, like, her family's like, wait, what?
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Like, that's, I mean, bullshit.
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It's to the point where it sounds fake.
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Yeah.
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And I would not really care about this that much if there weren't articles, like, in reputable sources of, hey, there's an outbreak of tuberculosis at the, like, days off of when she was discovered in 2013.
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Yeah.
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And if you can't, if I couldn't have found online proof That Lamb Alyssa is an actual TB test.
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God.
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It's fucking weird.
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That is very weird.
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Now add that to this.
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That movie Dark Water.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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It is a movie from 2005 starring Jennifer Conley.
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Okay.
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Have you ever seen it?
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No.
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Okay.
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To give you a brief version of the plot, uh, Jennifer Conley stars as a woman named Dahlia.
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Which is already not a common name.
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Not at all.
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For a person.
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Not.
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In 2005.
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At all.
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It's one of those, uh, Hitler names.
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There's a lot of, not a lot of Hitlers around anymore.
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It's a trigger name.
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You know?
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It means something.
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Whenever you put that as a name in a script, it's a signifier for the Black Dahlia.
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Yes.
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And Jennifer Connolly has beautiful, dark hair.
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Yes.
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It's very, okay.
Hitler Names and Scripts
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Yes.
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So she plays this woman, she's got a daughter, and they live in this building, and there's a bunch of dark water coming out of the walls, and, and, and dripping, and stuff like this.
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And, uh, so they, like, they get all freaked out, and all this, and, uh, eventually, They find, uh, that there is a girl in the water tank on the roof.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Yeah, they find that there is a girl who had been like abandoned who ended up in the water tank on the roof.
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That's causing all these problems.
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Oh my god.
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And the lady, or the girl who's in the tank, shows up as a ghost and wants basically Jennifer Conley to be her mom.
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So she's like, save my, like, don't kill my daughter and I'll be your mom forever.
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Yeah.
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So they become ghost family together.
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And there's a scene at the end where they're in an elevator and the ghost mom, Jennifer Conley, is doing her daughter's hair.
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And the elevator is like glitching.
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So it's like the elevator, dark water, the name Dahlia, and get this.
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What is Jennifer Conley's daughter's name in the movie?
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Cecilia.
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Cecil.
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Oh shit.
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It's, what the fuck?
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Those correlations are too, the thematic resonance of the movie, the names, Dahlia, Cecil, it's, it's, it's crazy.
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Would you, would you spend the night at that hotel?
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No!
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I probably wouldn't have even before this, but no.
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I think it looked like, it looks like a shit hotel.
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Yeah.
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It has nothing to do with spookiness, it's just I think they tried to, I think most, I think recently they really tried to upgrade it or something like that.
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Uh, they renamed it like Stay on Main, I think is the name of it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then it's also, Last I heard, it was like slated for demolition.
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Okay.
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So they may be taking it down.
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Maybe.
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But that, the TB test, the Dark Water stuff, like, cause that was eight years prior.
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Yeah.
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And that movie, Dark Water, was based on a Japanese movie from 2002.
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So.
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This was back in the craze when we were remaking Japanese movies, like they were going out of style, horror movies.
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And they did, they got out of style.
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And they did go out of style.
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Ringu?
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Yeah, so that, like, eight, ten years prior, there is this thematic thing that gets replayed in real life.
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Which is fucking nuts.
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Yeah.
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So I don't know what to make of it.
► 00:49:08
What got you the most when we, when in your research or just have, have looking at this in the past?
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What kind of made you be a little like, oobley?
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The dark water stuff, the names is, is weird.
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The test was what made me think like this can't be, something's up here.
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But then another thing happened that when you told me you wanted to do this episode, I thought this happened a lot longer ago than three years ago.
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Yeah.
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No, this is, this is like fresh off the press.
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I legitimately thought this happened like eight years ago.
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No.
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And I don't think it's because of that movie, the Darkwater movie.
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I don't, I didn't see that when it was in theaters.
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I didn't care about it at all.
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Yeah, I remember, uh, not a Dateline NBC, but maybe a 2020 about this.
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And I was like, what the fuck?
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And then I went online and I was like, whoa.
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When you suggested it, I was like, that's old news.
► 00:49:59
No, it's not.
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It's really not.
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To me, there was some sort of weird temporal time shift in my brain.
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It's sort of a little bit like that Mandela effect thing, where a lot of people thought Nelson Mandela died at a different time than he did.
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Yeah.
► 00:50:12
Or that he's still alive or these sorts of things.
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There's, there was some part of me that was like, I could've swore that happened a lot longer ago.
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Very interesting.
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Yeah, so that was weird.
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What, what is just, okay, so.
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I don't know if that means anything.
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No, no, I mean, it might mean everything.
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Who knows?
► 00:50:27
Could be the key.
► 00:50:28
It could be.
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You could be the key.
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I hope not.
► 00:50:31
Uh, so you wouldn't stay at this hotel?
► 00:50:32
No.
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Would you?
► 00:50:34
Oh, fuck.
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I think I would be so in my head about it.
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I mean, if it was you and I, maybe?
► 00:50:42
Oh, fear fucking A.
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We end up going up to the roof and stuff.
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Oh, fuck.
► 00:50:46
That, now see, that, now we're getting into like.
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With those like cameras.
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Green, green.
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Those reverse GoPros.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Both of us start crying.
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I'm not into this.
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Marty, you've got to go sit on top of the water tank for five minutes.
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Oh, see, that's, I'm not into just touch the water tank.
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I would never, yeah.
► 00:51:04
No, there's stuff like that that I'm not, I don't find, uh, not a pleasure, but I don't, I don't, I'm not that guy.
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I'm glad that neither of us find like that to be like a fun way to spend time.
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No, And that we don't think each other are cowards.
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I feel like, no.
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I, would like to think it's more respect for the dead.
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That's the diplomatic way to do it.
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That is the diplomatic way to do it, but also I ain't fucking with them spirits.
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No.
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I will own the Ouija boards.
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So, that said, yeah, no, I'm not into that, not doing that.
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What's one thing you read that was just like, come on, guys, that's not possible?
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I have two things that are interesting theories.
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Let's go down that road.
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Let's put our jackets back on and our fedoras.
► 00:51:47
This is what I love.
► 00:51:48
I don't know if this is like a trope as far as going undercover in movies.
► 00:51:56
I just saw the Captain America Civil War.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And both Captain America And his young black friend, I don't know his name, I'm so sorry.
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But, uh, he's the winged, I don't know.
► 00:52:05
I don't know.
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Black, black winged.
► 00:52:07
I don't know comic books.
► 00:52:08
Anyway, the Falcon, Black Falcon, or just the Falcon, I'm sorry, I put black in front of it.
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Black Panther.
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But anyway, they were both in a foreign country and they were supposed to be hiding because they were kind of wanted men now.
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And they both had, this is so funny, it was like the central casting, hey, I'm trying to lay low in a foreign country.
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The leather jacket, aviator glasses, and a baseball hat pulled out, it's like, Guys, you could not look more like fucking people who don't want to be seen.
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If I saw that in public, I would like, I'd have to tell someone.
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And they're talking into their wrists, the inside of their wrists, like where their veins are, and they're like, pshh, nah, yeah, so we're over here.
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I would call the cops if I wasn't afraid that that was a cop.
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Right, exactly.
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Like, that's probably that's po-po.
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That's a snitch.
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Alright, so let's go, let's go, I wanna go to a real salacious place.
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One theory that people have is that they're trying to make sense of why the fuck she was at that hotel to begin with.
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Okay.
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Because she is a young lady from Canada who could have Conceivably stayed anywhere else.
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Uh, it's not like the Hotel Cecil.
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It's not expensive.
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It's a pretty cheap, uh, place, but it's not as cheap as like a Motel 6 or something like that.
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Right.
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There's a lot of places she could have stayed.
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The idea that she stayed there leads a lot of people to believe that she was rendezvousing with somebody.
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Okay, there was a reason why she was going there.
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That there was a man that she may have met on the internet that she was meeting there.
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Okay.
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And some people have made the connection that there was a guy who was Like a gothie musician, uh, slash performance artist who was staying at the Hotel Seasaw at some point.
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That I get.
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You know what I mean?
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You're an aspiring goth musician slash performer.
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Where are you going to stay in LA?
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He had taken a bunch of pictures of himself with like guns at the hotel and stuff like that.
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That's probably so cool.
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I bet he has abs.
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You'll get there soon.
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I bet he looks like that guy we walked by the other day.
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Remember we walked by that guy and I go, look at this guy?
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And he had like a little belly shirt.
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Yeah, and you're like, he can definitely, he's definitely pulling that look off.
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That's who I bet it was, Dan.
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He's following us.
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Okay.
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Could be.
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Shit.
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Uhm, so the, the, there are people who believe that he may know more than, uh, cause he had also posted like, uh, hey, on my next album there will be clues about this, this murder.
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Piece of shit.
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But it also comes off as like someone who just wants attention.
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Yeah.
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So it's hard to say, there's some people who believe he knows or was involved.
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I have no idea.
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I, I just watched Turbulence 3.
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Which is an all-time bad movie.
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Uh, Turbulence was like not a bad, I don't think.
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Which one was Turbulence?
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It was like an airplane movie.
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I got that much.
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I don't know why, I don't know.
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Who was in it?
► 00:54:48
I don't even remember, but Turbulence 3, 2 or 3, was, uh, there was like a Marilyn Manson type character.
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Okay.
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And they were gonna film a concert in the air.
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Was it a made-for-TV movie?
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No, I think it was, it might have been a made-for-Showtime movie.
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Okay, okay.
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It's not TV, it's Showtime.
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It's Showtime.
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But anyway, alright, sorry.
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Uh, so that's one, uh, theory that I think, uh, is interesting.
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Yeah.
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And it would explain why she's there.
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Because that to me also still doesn't make sense.
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Absolutely.
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It's like, okay, why, yeaah, I mean I get a girl from Canada is like, I'm gonna go to Los Angeles.
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I get that.
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I get that, I get that.
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But of all the places to go.
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It doesn't seem like that would be the first thing on Google.
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And there was nothing, nothing that I could tell about her background where it was like, I'm into serial killers.
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Like, I'm gonna stay at the Black Dahlia Hotel.
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I'm gonna stay at the Night Stalker Hotel.
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There didn't seem to be anything like that.
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She wasn't a, you know, a dark.
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Nothing I found indicated that either.
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A suicide girl, if you will.
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No.
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There wasn't anything like that.
► 00:55:43
She did have mental illness, but apparently all of her blogs were mostly dedicated to like fashion and stuff like that.
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So those are the sort of the world that she's interested in, and not so much this, bleh, let's celebrate.
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Yeah.
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Death.
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I get it.
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Death cults.
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I get it.
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So that's one.
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Okay.
► 00:56:01
Now the other one, you're gonna dig this one.
► 00:56:02
Ah, fuck yeah.
► 00:56:03
You're gonna love this one.
► 00:56:04
Give it to me.
► 00:56:05
So, sometime, shortly before she died, uh, not like immediately before, but she had, she had tweeted out an article about cloaking technology.
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Oh fuck, I heard, oh yes, please, I read about this as well.
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Uh huh.
► 00:56:19
And that's also very out of, Sink with a lot of the stuff that she was interested in in terms of her internet persona.
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It's off brand as we would say.
► 00:56:28
Yeah, yeah.
► 00:56:29
I don't think we were saying that in 2013, but now we are.
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But now we are.
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Cloaking technology.
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So there are some people who believe that she may have accidentally learned more than she should have known about cloaking technology.
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And one of the reasons people think this is for a while, I don't believe this is still the case, but for a while, if you googled the address of the Hotel Cecil, there would come up in Google Maps A business that was located inside the same building called Invisible Light Agency.
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Oh my god.
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Which is theoretically on, uh, uh, you know, on the surface was a, um, uh, like movie special effects type of interest.
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ILA.
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Which I don't know why they're involved, like located at this creepy hotel.
► 00:57:13
But a lot of people have speculated that they were actually some sort of dark ops situation and they're working on cloaking technology, which is not as science fiction as people think.
► 00:57:22
No, and that's one of those things that Starts in a movie that is becoming reality.
► 00:57:28
And?
► 00:57:28
I think our government?
► 00:57:29
Shit, I bet the Nazis were fucking working on that.
► 00:57:32
Undoubtedly.
► 00:57:33
You would be so unstoppable with cloaking technology.
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Essentially it's saying you put an out, you put something over you and you're invisible.
► 00:57:41
Yep.
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Yep.
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Cause it like reflects light and has some sort of readers on the back and stuff like that.
► 00:57:46
Like I don't, from what everything you can find publicly, it's not perfect technology yet, but it's that same thing that we always run into that technology's usually a little more ahead than we think.
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Of course.
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So maybe it is better than we think, maybe she accidentally stumbled into something, and now this introduces the scariest thought of all.
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The time that's cut out of that video could have indicated that there was someone in a cloaking device fucking with her in that elevator.
► 00:58:13
So maybe she was lured or scared to the roof by someone in an invisibility cloak or something like that, and that's why, you know, it's not really picked up, nobody saw anything.
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The most likely thing, it's certainly a little sci-fi.
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Of course.
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But man, it's right where, it's right where we live in terms of our interests.
Cloaking Devices on Roof
00:14:35
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That thing of stumbling upon something.
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Mm-hmm.
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And then, uh, you know, an evil secret society sending out somebody to take care of business.
► 00:58:46
Mm-hmm.
► 00:58:47
I mean, but then you go to this, well if that's the case, why the fuck didn't they get that tape?
► 00:58:53
Well they didn't need to get all of the tape.
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Yeah, I guess.
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To make her look like just a, Yeah, okay, I get it.
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The parts, the parts that, uh, listen, and I'm just saying this if that's the case.
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Of course, of course, of course.
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Because I was thinking, like, just get rid of it, but then you're like, well, then you got word, then it's the word the tape go and all this stuff.
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So it's easier for them to use their invisibility cloak, make her look like a crazy person who somehow makes her way to the top floor of this hotel, somehow gets past this door who she's not supposed to get past without setting off alarms or just get past and then somehow ends up in a water tank.
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Yep.
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Yeah, I know, it's kind of weird.
► 00:59:31
I still think after we've analyzed all of this that, and I'm sure there's other thoughts and if we missed anything please feel free to let us know and all that, but like, I still think the most reasonable explanation is some sort of mental breakdown.
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I think that's where I'm leaning towards.
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All this stuff is really fun to think about and explore.
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And if it is true, that's really scary shit.
► 00:59:57
I mean, it's one of those things where.
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There's no demon possession argument that makes sense to me or anything like that.
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But there's those things where you're just like, is this just a coincidence?
► 01:00:08
Really, that tuberculosis stuff's a coincidence?
► 01:00:11
That's like.
► 01:00:12
I mean, that could be just fuel to the fire, and we're just like, okay, this really doesn't happen, but you guys are adding all this extra stuff in there.
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Uhm, but then there's those things of like, the police being like, well, we don't know, but we know it's not, but whatever.
► 01:00:25
Like, we're not saying anyone murdered, but we're not else, we're also saying we don't know what the fuck happened.
► 01:00:29
Yeah, yeah.
► 01:00:30
I'd love to think there's still some cop who's like, I'm gonna get to the bottom of this.
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I'm still looking, this, I'm still, I mean, that's- Some LA confidential type.
► 01:00:37
That's what I'm hoping, like, you know, I mean, but, you know, there's still the black dolly thing they haven't solved.
► 01:00:42
Like, there's just- Unsolved murders are very, very common.
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I know, I know, I know.
► 01:00:47
The first 48, you know, they don't solve it right away.
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It's probably never going to get solved.
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And, and we're not even necessarily saying that this is a murder.
► 01:00:53
No.
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This could just be a tragedy.
► 01:00:56
The one thing that I found the most fun in my research was a very long post on Reddit, uh, from a guy who was talking about how all of this is a distraction from realizing that there is a massive synchronicity at play here.
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And all of this is just basically the universe glitching in a really serious way.
► 01:01:22
And then when we talk about the murder or the idea of demon possession or some sort of black ops cloaking shit, it's all our minds trying to make rational sense of the reality that we live within this holographic universe.
► 01:01:35
The Matrix.
► 01:01:36
Yeah, where the reason that her name is a TB test flipped is because of some glitch in the coding.
► 01:01:41
Oh man, I love that.
► 01:01:42
And that's what happened.
► 01:01:43
And that idea sets us into a place where reality doesn't exist anymore.
► 01:01:47
Oh no.
► 01:01:48
And even the scariest shit about CIA skunk works Well, I mean, someone could say that going back to JFK, like, we don't want to think that some guy could just get up on a, get up in a building and shoot our president.
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It's too, maybe it makes us feel a little too vulnerable.
► 01:02:16
It is very humbling and insecure.
► 01:02:18
So we have to think, or I mean the same thing for 9-11.
► 01:02:22
Could, could a ragtag group of dudes just I feel like ragtag has almost too much of a positive content, right?
► 01:02:28
Could this group of evil scrappy youngsters.
► 01:02:31
Evil doers.
► 01:02:32
Could this little, our gang of bad people but I mean, that's the thing too.
► 01:02:37
It's like, could these guys have pulled that off?
► 01:02:39
And then there might be a thing where people like you and I maybe, just think, can't be that easy.
► 01:02:47
There's gotta be more to it.
► 01:02:48
And we, as a community of conspiracy enthusiasts yeah.
► 01:02:54
Uh, we like getting scared by this.
► 01:02:56
This is not unlike some people who like to watch horror movies.
► 01:02:59
Yeah.
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This is our horror movie.
► 01:03:00
We like to go on YouTube.
► 01:03:02
Yeah, we like to go on YouTube and we like to, you know, watch these things where bad people and maybe it makes us feel more safe.
► 01:03:12
I'm sure there's.
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Because our lives are so distant.
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Right.
► 01:03:14
And the only thing that makes me uncomfortable about that is kind of like it takes away from the fact that the one fact that we do know is that an innocent woman died.
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Yeah.
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And that is sad.
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Right.
► 01:03:27
To get titillation and entertainment out of it is a little bit dicey, but at the same time, It's not really, as long as we still recognize the tragedy of it.
► 01:03:35
Right, and that's where, that's the real, like, creepy part of this goes.
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Cause when you are just doing these weird, like, slender man, like, why is this guy in the background of these pictures, or this and that?
► 01:03:48
Or even, you know, the Black Dahlia thing where it's so long ago, it's easy to disassociate.
► 01:03:53
Sure.
► 01:03:54
But when you watch this, and this is a young woman who died very recently, and it's also, you kind of want to think, like, man, how is this still happening?
► 01:04:03
You know, and you, and, and, and this is an instance of, You know, when security cameras and all that stuff kind of fail us and we're just like, why is like, and I, I just.
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Why don't we have more information?
► 01:04:14
Why don't we have more information?
► 01:04:15
I get sometimes very frustrated, uh, where I just still can't believe that, you know, when, when people are dying, they're not just like on their deathbed going, by the way, you should know, you should know that I did this or, you know what I mean?
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Well, here's a thought about that.
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Okay.
► 01:04:31
Maybe with all this classified information that people, you know, like when you're in the inner circles, maybe you realize maybe there's occult or spiritual information that you learn too.
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That you don't really die, or something like that.
► 01:04:44
So people don't make deathbed confessions because they know there's something on the other side.
► 01:04:49
Well, that's something you said to me a long time ago.
► 01:04:52
Man, I hope I didn't.
► 01:04:52
No, no, no, not that, not that.
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Okay.
► 01:04:55
But one of the things that you said, and I always do think about this, is when talking about groups like the Illuminati or whatever, you were like, maybe they do know something.
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It's possible.
► 01:05:06
Do you remember saying this to me?
► 01:05:07
Well, I mean, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I do resonate with that thought a lot.
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Of just this idea of You know, and there's always that whole, like, we only use 10% of our brain.
► 01:05:16
Sure.
► 01:05:17
But there is this, this, maybe there is this idea of maybe they do know something.
► 01:05:23
Well, think about it like this.
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This is the way I would put it, in like a really simplistic version.
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Like, you didn't know exactly how good working out would make you feel until you started doing it.
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Yes.
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And now you know something that you had no idea about the other before.
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Right.
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And I, and I had heard about it, but I never really did believe it.
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You didn't believe it.
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I didn't give it any credence.
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You didn't know all the feelings.
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You just thought like, oh, my body will look better.
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I'll feel better about myself.
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But there's, There's experiential things you can only really learn by doing it.
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Yes.
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In the same way that I didn't understand how meditation would make me feel before I did it.
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Yeah.
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The weird brain states you can trick yourself into be- Trick isn't the right word, but like, you can kick yourself into within 15 minutes of sitting down and focusing.
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Like those sorts of things.
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It makes sense to me that maybe, maybe, there are other things like that that are a little spookier.
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Yeah.
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Maybe.
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And that's, that's kind of where that thought comes from.
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Yeah.
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If you want to put it rationally.
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I, I feel like with this situation, I am, I am leaning towards, uh, something to do with mental illness.
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I, I have a feeling.
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Well, that's, that's on brand for you too.
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Yeah.
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I mean, look, I've moved across country.
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I've made trips, you know, and I look back now and I go, whoa, what was I even thinking?
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I met girls and I've traveled.
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Like, I mean, you know, I've met girls in bars who lived in San Francisco and I went and visited them.
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Sure.
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Months later.
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It's bizarre.
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It's very bizarre.
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But you could have ended up dead in a hotel or something when you went on a trip to visit them.
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Sure.
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And we would all be as confused.
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Sure.
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People would be like, why the fuck did Marty go across the country?
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But I mean, I think about this too sometimes.
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Indeed.
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I know, bully, bully.
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But I, I mean, I think about this too, where like, look, I have a, my, my brain sometimes wanders and all this stuff.
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And there are times where I meet a woman in a bar, and I'll bring her home, and I'll be like, no one knows you're here.
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Uh huh.
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That's, I mean, I'm, I'm not, that sounds creepy.
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No, But there is that.
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I know what you, I know what you mean.
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Right.
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Or, or, I'll be it's like that, uh, it's like Joe Fernandez has a joke about picking up two women from the street.
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And I hate to ruin one of his jokes, but the point is very salient.
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Uh, he, he and a friend, two dudes, just pick up two girls Walking on the street and they get in his car.
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And his joke is, wow, we should kill you on principle.
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Absolutely.
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And it's that idea of like, oh, what we're doing is innocent.
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Like, we're just meeting up and you guys want to hang out with us, but.
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In the wrong hands.
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Right.
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It's very scary.
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Yes.
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Anytime anyone's alone with someone else, it could be scary.
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And, and you, you especially live in this area where there's lots of people walking around very drunk late at night.
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It's true.
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Uh, you can very, if, if you're in the room, Yeah, sometimes you falling or whatever, hurting yourself.
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But, I mean, there are those times where I will see a woman walking home and just think like, if I was a bad dude, oh man, for sure, that's a target.
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I sometimes see people like that and I'm like, I want to help, but I know that I can't help.
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I walk a little bit behind them.
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I have done that before as well.
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I don't try to, I don't approach them.
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I just kind of, that's me being like.
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Keep a pace, kind of.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And it's me just kind of being like.
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So you can discern the situation.
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Yes.
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Cause I know women who are like, I kind of walk by guys at times if I'm feeling, you know what I mean?
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I've heard that.
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So there's that, there's this idea of it's like, hey, you know what sucks about modern life?
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Yeah.
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The idea of asking someone if they need help is what a predator would do.
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Exactly.
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That's fucking crazy.
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One time a woman was changing her tire at a flat and me and my buddies pulled over and she's like, uh, thank you guys so much, but please, please, please just get in your car and go.
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Like, leave me alone.
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I've got a tow truck coming, just please, like, I'm, no offense to you guys, just leave me alone.
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And we were like, that's the safest thing to do.
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Absolutely.
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So, and there, there is just this idea of, and then when you brought up this, I mean, it just all is just like, Like, fuck yeah, like this goth guy who's like, she maybe came to see him.
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Because I mean, at the end of the day, do we not, we don't know why she was there.
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No.
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Or how, if it was just dumb fucking luck, she picked this fucking place.
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But.
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It's like we know why she's in Los Angeles, but we don't know why she's at the specific hotel.
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Right, but there are times where, you know, whenever anyone moves to Chicago, they just move to Wrigleyville and they're like, I don't know, just, that's where I moved.
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That's what happened to me, basically, with my neighborhood.
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Complete accident.
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Sometimes it's just these things and there are these happy, Well, that's a mild coincidence.
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I mean, compared to the major ones we're dealing with.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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Yeah.
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When you start getting into those things.
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Probably means the world is a hologram.
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I'm starting to think that might be the case.
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Just a little glitch in the matrix.
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There are those who say that.
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Well, Marty, reality is she was a young lady who had been suffering with mental illness and she had a A little bit of a psychotic break when she went off her medication and somehow found her way onto the top and circumstances we'll never really know.
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Just got herself into the tank and closed the door herself.
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Man.
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If this was a video.
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Damn it, you missed your cue!
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What?
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Oh, that's what they want you to think.
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Well, I was gonna say, I was gonna say to be fair, we didn't talk about remembering our old cues.
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But also, I was kind of thinking if this was a show, we were on TV, I would do like the red stamp of like the Solved.
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Like, I, I do think that's, I think that's what it is.
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But I don't think we can ever say it's solved.
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You can never say it's solved.
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But we can say that- There's only one person who truly knows what happened.
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And that's the Lord Jesus Christ.
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No, Daniel.
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It's this young lady.
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Maybe she doesn't even know though, you know?
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I mean, if she was drugged or drunk or something like that, even if you could talk to her from behind the wall of sleep, so to speak, you wouldn't be, I don't know if she would even be able to tell you what happened.
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Or maybe she doesn't want us to know what happened.
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That's what you want to think.
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No, I don't know.
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I, yeah, I mean, who knows?
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Who knows?
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I think with the preponderance of evidence though, you can say that it's like, that's the most likely explanation, but boy, are there some weird fucking things.
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There really are, and it's one of those things where if you wanted to just let your mind run wild, I am so excited if, if, excited, I don't know if that's the right word, but if, if you're listening to this, and you haven't seen this video yet.
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And you haven't turned off the podcast yet.
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And you haven't turned this podcast off.
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Just really make a night of it.
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You know what I mean?
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Maybe.
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There's a lot of resources.
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Maybe have a little wine.
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Maybe have a little, a little smoke.
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Trying to turn it into like a romantic evening on YouTube.
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I want you to sit in front of that computer.
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I want you to watch it.
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I want you to tweet it, Dan and I.
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And I want, I want you to let us know what you thought.
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Got any theories?
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Let us know.
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Hashtag TTTYTTYTYTYTY.
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TWTWYTT.
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That's it.
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And I want you guys to let us know what you think.
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Uh, because man, oh man, this, there's times where I'm just like, clearly, Dan, you're right.
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It's a woman off her medication.
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Sorry to say she got in a place she shouldn't have been in.
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I love that idea of a guy having a cigarette up top and she's like, oh shit, I gotta hide.
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I saw you like almost touching your chest whenever I was talking about the invisibility cloak.
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Oh, it was like, I could almost see tingles on your head.
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I mean, there are certain things and that's when I'm reading it and I'm thinking, is there someone in my room?
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Oh, man.
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That's the scariest thought in the world.
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I mean, because there's so many just natural noises in apartments and stuff like that.
► 01:12:42
Yeah.
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Could be the walls, or could be an invisible man.
► 01:12:46
Well, could be H.G. Wells.
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Jesus.
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Anyway, people can tweet their theories to you at Marty DeRosa.
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And they can tweet them to you at Freezing Point.
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That is how you can get at us.
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Also, if you have any suggestions for future episodes that you want us to take on, we've kind of decided we're going to do this maybe once a month, sporadically.
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When it, when the time feels right.
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It may be about once a month, but we're not putting any solid lines on it.
Creepy Ideas and Space Nazis
00:05:19
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Not at all.
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And let, let people know what we've done so far.
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We've done JFK.
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Yep.
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We've done Nazis on the Moon.
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Yep.
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And we did MK Ultra.
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MK Ultra.
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That's a lost episode.
► 01:13:19
I don't even have the audio of that one.
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Fucking A.
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That makes me, oh my god, I'm so scared right now.
► 01:13:24
It's not, it's not on my hard drive, like my external hard drive.
► 01:13:26
I just have the JFK and the Nazis in space one.
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I'd like to think when you're like, oh here it is, and you play it, and it's just somewhere over a rainbow.
► 01:13:35
I don't know.
► 01:13:36
I mean, maybe we should tackle that one more time.
► 01:13:38
Eh, we could.
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Possibly.
► 01:13:40
I just hope there's not another glitch in the Matrix.
► 01:13:43
You don't get another car to explode.
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Jesus Christ.
► 01:13:45
City bus just explodes while you're on it.
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Oh fuck.
► 01:13:48
I, uh, also we did Atlantis with Dries.
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Okay.
► 01:13:51
So, uh, those are the topics we've covered already.
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So if there's another one that you guys want us to crack open.
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Oh, and werewolves.
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I think.
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Who did werewolves?
► 01:13:58
Me and Dries did werewolves.
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Okay.
► 01:14:00
Magnets.
► 01:14:00
Let's do those.
► 01:14:01
Oh, I think.
► 01:14:01
How do they work?
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Uh, but I do, I do, I enjoy this.
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I think, I think, I think we handle it with respect.
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And a plum.
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Pardon?
► 01:14:10
The word, a plum.
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What does that mean?
► 01:14:12
Uh, dignity.
► 01:14:13
Yeah, I think we do.
► 01:14:14
I think we handle it with respect and a plum.
► 01:14:17
And I'm gonna use that word a lot now.
► 01:14:19
It's good to learn some of my Dan Friesen vocabulary.
► 01:14:22
Uh, as you famously have taught me numerous words.
► 01:14:25
You've said that three times on this episode, I haven't said it once.
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Titular, uh.
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WANT.
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WANT.
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No, this has been a fun one.
► 01:14:34
Yeah, it's been great.
► 01:14:34
Also, if you are gonna suggest topics to us, like I said, I have no interest in talking about crisis actors.
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I don't wanna talk about Sandy Hook.
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I don't want to talk about 9-11.
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Like these topics aren't fun.
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Okay.
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And granted, the death of a young woman isn't necessarily fun either.
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I know, but it's- But those topics to me are like 9-11's too big.
► 01:14:53
Yeah.
► 01:14:54
Sandy Hook, uh, truthers I think are fucking wackos.
► 01:14:58
Yeah.
► 01:14:59
Well, cause you know what, and this is, this shows, I don't, I don't want this show to ever be like me being like, fuck all of you.
► 01:15:05
Right, right.
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You don't have an Alex Jones moment.
► 01:15:06
No, no.
► 01:15:07
What, what I was.
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But the reverse.
► 01:15:08
When, when, uh, there's a little bit with Bernie and Hillary where they're mentioning like Sandy Hook and stuff, and I'm just kinda like, what, is no one on MSMEC gonna talk about crisis actors and how this might not have even happened?
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I'm like, oh my god, I'm so- Look at their earlobes.
► 01:15:21
Oh my god, I'm so far down the wormhole.
► 01:15:23
Like, Jesus Christ, they're, they've met Obama.
► 01:15:25
These little girls have met Obama.
► 01:15:26
What am I doing?
► 01:15:27
You know what I mean?
► 01:15:27
It's like, what am I doing?
► 01:15:28
What you need to do if you ever get too deep on that rabbit hole is just look for Uh, videos that make the contrary argument.
► 01:15:37
And you'll find, like, the ones that debunk those arguments, you'll find that those are always more sensible.
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I know.
► 01:15:43
They always- I know.
► 01:15:44
It's- All your sexy ideas just get like, here's what's- here's why that's not a thing, and here's why that's not a thing, and here's why that's not a thing.
► 01:15:50
And here's where those videos that are proposing these conspiracy theories are literally just liars.
► 01:15:55
Yeah.
► 01:15:56
It's not even misunderstanding a piece of information, they're just lying.
► 01:15:59
Yeah.
► 01:16:00
So.
► 01:16:00
They're a certain form of internet troll.
► 01:16:02
Yeah.
► 01:16:03
And I don't want any part of that.
► 01:16:04
But anything else we'll talk about?
► 01:16:05
I mean, there's gotta be some fun ones out there.
► 01:16:08
Sure.
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Uhm, and, and I, I am more than happy to.
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We'll talk about the Eye of Horus.
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Egyptian mythology.
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And a springing into pop culture.
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Uh, we, I mean, with this whole, uh, X-Men apocalypse coming up, there's definitely gonna be some, uh, some illusions.
► 01:16:25
Sure.
► 01:16:26
Allusions.
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Alluding.
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Alluding to some, uh, some, some things like that.
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Yeah, I would assume so.
► 01:16:31
Anyway, this has been fun.
► 01:16:32
I'm glad we're doing this again, man.
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Hey, man.
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I'm, I'm glad, uh, I'm glad we're doing this during the day.
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I don't feel weird walking home from this.
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I, uh.
► 01:16:39
I'm taking an elevator tonight at the House of Blues, a very spooky place.
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Uh oh.
► 01:16:43
So, luckily there's only four floors.
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You should make it.
► 01:16:46
Oh shit.
► 01:16:47
Uh, if, uh, what the fuck?
► 01:16:50
Could, oh man.
► 01:16:50
I had a thought.
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This would have been so.
► 01:16:52
I just had the creepiest idea.
► 01:16:53
What was that?
► 01:16:54
Uh, like if, if we had the technology to- To podcast in an elevator?
► 01:16:58
No.
► 01:16:58
Oh man, I can't even believe I thought of this.
► 01:17:00
This is so creepy.
► 01:17:01
Oh no.
► 01:17:02
Uhm, to do like green screen technology, uh, and then make it black and white and put me and you in the elevator with her.
► 01:17:08
No.
► 01:17:08
Oh, that's so bad.
► 01:17:09
Why would I even think of that?
► 01:17:11
Yeah.
► 01:17:11
And then Dries under a cloak.
► 01:17:13
Oh my god.
► 01:17:13
What am I doing?
► 01:17:14
I think it's a fun mental image, but I want to put no effort into it.
► 01:17:18
Cause here's what I do.
► 01:17:19
When I, when I'm feeling uncomfortable, I go to the silly.
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And that was a silly thought in my brain.
► 01:17:23
Yeah.
► 01:17:24
So I kind of thank my brain for that, but I also don't like that I thought of that.
► 01:17:28
I too think of that.
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And I feel like, and I feel like a dick now for jumping in and out of the elevator when I came here.
► 01:17:32
Oh, you're fine.
► 01:17:33
I don't know.
► 01:17:34
It probably won't have any consequences.
► 01:17:37
That's what they want you to think.
► 01:17:38
There you go.
► 01:17:39
All right, guys.
► 01:17:39
Uh, thank you all so much for listening.
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Uh, thanks for joining us in the brain battle.
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I love that too, that's great.
► 01:17:45
Marty, it's been great, thanks for coming.
► 01:17:47
My pleasure.
► 01:17:48
Uh, we will catch you next time right here in Boomtown, but until then, I have been Boglejub, the White Mystery.
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Now please go out there and do your job, which of course is loving somebody.
► 01:17:56
That's one thing.
► 01:18:05
That is what they want you to think.
► 01:18:08
They want to take your eyes off the real things.
► 01:18:12
They want you to think, no, that can't be because that's what they want you to think.
► 01:18:18
Mind control, Nazis in space, who killed JFK, I don't know.
► 01:18:24
It's a lot of things that our human brains probably can't handle, but that's what they want you to think.