Crisis Actors and Locked Abroad
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All I do is smash heads, bro.
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Let's go!
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That's what they want you to think!
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The government's in charge of everything!
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Alex Jones is a shill!
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I'll fight you in the street!
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Crisis actors on the payroll!
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Obama, a lizard person.
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The Bush family are so fucking evil.
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Hitler, did he live on the moon?
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Probably.
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I think he did anyway.
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Hey, everybody, how's it going?
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Welcome back to Freezing Point.
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It doesn't get no better than this, Dan.
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Stop the podcast.
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Guys, we have been, that's what they want you to think.
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We'll see you next week.
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Woo!
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Problem solved.
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I am Dan Friesen.
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I'll be your host alongside me.
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My main man.
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My truth seeker.
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My digger.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Marty DeRosa.
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Crisis actors.
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In the house.
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We're both crisis actors.
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Whenever I act, I'm in a crisis.
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I, uh, whenever I, uh, terribly audition for a commercial.
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For a Doritos, Tostitos commercial?
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Whenever I terribly audition, I have a mental crisis and then I go to Portillo's and shove my face with food.
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Back when I was, uh, in school and I was in a musical called We Has Jazz.
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Woo!
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That was a crisis.
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Oh, man.
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That was real bad.
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Oh, man.
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It was about the history of jazz.
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My name was Riff.
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Yeah.
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Did you smoke jazz cigarettes?
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Nah.
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Had a little heroin problem?
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This was junior high, so they, uh, they tried to avoid some of that shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, sanitize it, whitewash it, just like the government whitewashes all the stuff happening in the world.
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And that's why we're important.
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Yeah.
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Cause we come in, and we bring you the unfiltered truth.
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Consider us your rowdy rowdy pipers, giving you glasses to put on to see what really is out there.
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Behave.
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Obey.
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That's it.
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Not, not assume.
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Behave.
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Behave.
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That's like a nice way.
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What if it was they live and you put the glasses on and it was just like, hey guys, come on.
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Chill out.
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Can you guys be cool?
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Yeah.
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Stop fighting with each other, you dill weeds.
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Yeah.
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That would be a great use of sub, uh, you know, uh, subconscious programming.
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Like, kind of mellow.
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Yeah, yeah.
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If there, if, if we do have all this subliminal advertising and stuff, which I believe we probably do.
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Oh, we will, I know we do because I watched a documentary about, uh, uh, I want to say Zodiac, but I really think it was the BTK.
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The Buy and Torture Kill Killer?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's like the ATM machine.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The Astomach machine?
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The BTK machine.
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Um, so the BTK machine, uh, I believe they ran a commercial, uh, Oh, they ran a segment during the news, and at one point they cut in, turn yourself in.
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Whoa.
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Yeah, and they talked about it, and they're like, yeah, we got some advertiser.
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Cause back in the day, they were like, we can do this, right?
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Then finally the government was like, ah, you guys can't do that.
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Yeah, that's dangerous.
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We're gonna have tons of people turning themselves in.
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Like, wait, what?
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Like, hi, uh, I'm turning myself in, like, why?
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I don't know.
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But, people turn themselves in all the time for crimes they didn't commit.
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Sure, I mean, we've even explored some of that.
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The, uh, Black Dahlia case had a ton of people who confessed to it that didn't do it.
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That weird, uh, weird dude, uh, in the Jean Benet case.
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Sure.
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But that guy was.
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He was trying to get out of a Vietnamese prison, as I recall.
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I think he thought, oh my God, I got a great idea.
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Imagine that if he's just sitting in that prison and he's like, I know what I'll do to get out of here.
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I can get extradited.
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I'll say I killed John Binet.
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Yeah, because no matter what happens in the American prisons, it's got to be better than some Hanoi Hilton.
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Have you ever seen Locked Up Abroad?
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I have seen a couple episodes, but that stuff makes me so uncomfortable that I generally have to turn it off.
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It makes me.
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Okay, so I. Almost any of that locked up stuff gives me panic attacks.
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I was watching.
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I got in a wormhole of these videos and I was watching all these guys who work in Hong Kong.
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They're like these.
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I was looking at these videos of these, like, basically cool dude, like, tastemaker guys, and they're like, I work in the Hong Kong office, and I was like, man.
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We're searching for Asian trends to sell to the whites.
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What a cool life.
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And then I was like, oh, man, I'd watch me get fucking thrown into Hong Kong jail.
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I would see that happening real quick.
Swag Origins and Taiwan Confusion
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Yeah.
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Because I think you and I are kind of the type of bros who maybe.
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I'm in that red light district, bruh.
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Yeah.
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If we're in the Orient, let's say, we're going to try and find vice, the land of the rising sun.
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We're going to Rapungi.
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And it's not just being in Asia.
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No.
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We do the same in Europe.
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We do the same in Australia.
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I just try and find trouble.
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Locked up abroad makes you just.
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And it's always like, oh man, I met this other American.
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He's like, hey, can you carry my backpack?
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He disappears.
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I get arrested.
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I have all the heroin in fucking, you know, Taiwan or Taiwan, Taiwan.
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Taiwan.
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Taiwan or Singapore or some fucking crazy shit.
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Yeah, the countries who have a reputation for.
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Caning people.
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Yeah, that's why they call it a Singapore cane, Dan.
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I don't know about this.
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We'll get back to it another time.
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That was a big fight of ours.
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Big fight.
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I'm currently fighting with Colt Cabana because what do you call the free stuff that, like, let's say you went to an event, you were invited to, like, an opening event?
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I get what you're going for.
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Generally, I think it's swag, but some people would call it swag.
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I call it swag.
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Schwag to me, I believe the confusion stems from swag being bad weed.
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That's the first definition in the urban dictionary.
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The second is stuff that promotionally is given away.
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But swag and swag are so close that it's just a fun pronunciation of it.
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I could see that.
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See the swag?
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Here's why people like to say swag.
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Swagger?
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Nope.
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An acronym.
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Stuff we all get.
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Ooh.
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That's why everyone's on to swag.
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Okay.
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And it's the hit new word.
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So you argue that it's originally swag.
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And I think it's got to be some Yiddish.
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It's got to probably be some Yiddish.
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Sounds very Yiddish.
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You think so?
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I can look up the etymology.
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Do it, man.
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Alright.
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Etymology.com.
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Um, I think, uh, I, my feeling on it is that it started as swag and morphed to swag.
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And I put up polls on Twitter, and it's.
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Holy shit!
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What?
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You nailed it!
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Yeah, right?
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Schwag origin is Yiddish.
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Of course it is.
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I'm fighting with a Jewish guy over this.
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In the 90s, it was an alteration of the word swag, though.
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Oh.
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Perhaps after the Yiddish origin, such as schlub or schmuck.
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Oh.
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So English and Yiddish came together to morph swag into schmuck in the 90s.
Yiddish Roots of the Word Swag
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So we're all right.
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Yeah, kind of.
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Okay.
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Yeah, that's what's fun about learning.
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That's, yeah, I know.
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Thanks, internet.
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Yeah.
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Now, what do we have to fix?
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Uh, well, we have a big one today.
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We have a big one to fix.
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And I'd like to take a moment before we get into our topic for today.
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That was really exciting.
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Exciting.
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The Black Vanilla murders.
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I remember those in Kansas City.
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A lot of people took credit for that.
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A lot of people took credit for that.
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I want to take a second to give a negative shout out.
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Not a negative shout out, but goddamn, these internet polls, whenever we allow the listeners to choose what we talk about, it always ends up being the thing we don't want to do.
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Do you ever wonder?
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It's always the fourth option.
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Do you ever, the one that we just throw on there?
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Marilyn Monroe last time, and this time we'll get to it.
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Do you ever think this is why the government's like, this is why we should just like rig everything?
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These idiots are going to pick the wrong fucking thing.
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They're going to astroturf.
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They're going to figure out.
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They're just going to lay it down and, uh, uh, carpet bomb the wrong option.
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And here we are.
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A lot of people wanted us to do Dracula.
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Got a lot of feedback on that.
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So excited for that.
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A lot of people, uh, sent messages to me wanting us to do Flat Earth, which we will do.
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We, I mean, we have no choice but to do it because the Flat Earth community has spoken out against us.
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Not out against us.
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No, that guy was very civil.
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I feel like they were just kind of like, uh, hey, man.
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Mm hmm.
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Here's my impression of the Flat Earth community.
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Hey, bro.
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Hey, Dan.
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You're Dan, right?
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I'm Dan.
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All right.
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Uh, I'm, I'm, uh, Steven.
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I represent the Flat Earth.
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Hey, Steve.
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The Flat Earthers.
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Um, nice to meet you.
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I understand you might do a podcast about Flat Earth theory.
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Uh, please just, uh, Tread lightly.
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I'm not threatening you.
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Oh, shit.
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We're not violent people.
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That's a really vague threat there, Steve.
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I'd hate for anything to happen to you.
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Oh, please.
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This is a classic mafia show.
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No.
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Also, just handle this with an open heart, open eyes, and an open mind.
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Now you're sounding like Coach Taylor.
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And know that this earth is flat as fuck.
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It's flatter than a six year old's titties.
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Okay.
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Again, that's your words, Dan, not mine, Steven.
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Right.
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I don't want to.
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Be the head of the.
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Flat Earth community.
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Some guy did reach out about the Flat Earth stuff on Twitter, and he and I got into a back and forth that was pretty civil.
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There was no like.
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And, and, how are these?
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Okay, this is my new Google Alerts.
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That's how.
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That's right.
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So, We joke about Tom Arnold on the podcast.
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Yeah.
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He's a character on the podcast.
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And she did a drawing of him, didn't at him, didn't at Tom Arnold him.
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And he wrote her back on Twitter.
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That's super cool.
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But it's probably, it either got back to him, like someone listens and was like, hey, you gotta, or, yeah, you can Google yourself.
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I don't believe you've never searched Marty DeRosa on Twitter.
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Oh no, I have.
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You never found something that you were like, that's weird.
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But I didn't write them.
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You should have.
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I'm going to search Dan Friesen and see what happens.
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So these Flat Earth people have Google Alerts just set up at all times.
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Probably.
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I mean, the guy had a.
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His image was the Flat Earth logo, and he's super active in the Flat Earth.
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How's the logo as far as a branding standpoint?
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I don't fucking know.
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I don't care.
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Do you like it?
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Does it speak to you?
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It looks like a government logo, it looks like a government organization.
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Logo.
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You can look it up if you want.
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I don't really care.
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Oh my God.
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I just Googled Dan Friesen and it's a bunch of stuff from a realtor.
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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He's cool.
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Langley, Virginia.
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All right.
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That's not interesting.
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You know what is interesting, though, Marty?
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What?
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Our topic for today.
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I really think it is interesting, actually.
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I know this wasn't your first, second, third choice, but I kind of like it.
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Well, we'll get into it as we enter the Twilight Zone.
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Yeah.
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As we enter the zone of That's What They Want You to Think.
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This isn't as fun as singing to Sami Zayn's theme song.
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We really ruined ourselves when we figured out the Sami Zayn thing.
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God damn it.
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Jesus.
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So today we are talking about the Berenstein Bears and the larger Mandela effect.
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Yes.
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Marty, what do you know about the Mandela effect?
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Here's what I know.
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Okay.
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We are all clearly under some type of mind control or a Matrix type of situation.
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Classic Rowdy Roddy Piper.
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And there are these programmers out there who, and I'm going to think.
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You know, if you've ever had a job.
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When you say programmers, do you mean like computer programmers or social programmers?
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What are we talking about?
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Well, I mean, they're making the matrix.
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These are the computer programmers who are making the matrix.
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I feel you.
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Now, listen, you just work at Groupon.
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Yep.
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Dot Bomb.
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Every day, did they get 100% of Dan Friesen?
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Never.
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Okay.
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So.
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I would argue they often got like 6%.
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Right.
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So, sometimes these programmers who are, you know, doing the matrix are in a big, giant, long, white room and they're on their computers or whatever.
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Every once in a while, one of these dudes just kind of phones it in.
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He's a little hungover, maybe.
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Uh huh.
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And, uh, he forgets that.
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Oh, shit.
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There's a little.
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I forgot a little code.
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I forgot a little glitch.
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A little code.
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Oh, shit.
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And he goes, man, they'll never notice.
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And then, uh, truth seekers, like you and I.
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Sure.
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Go, hey, wait a minute.
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What?
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Isn't that?
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What?
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What?
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How's that?
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I think what?
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And then we.
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Get very confused.
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We.
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We point it out.
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We.
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We point it out.
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We create Reddits.
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Yeah.
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We create, uh.
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The new thing, and this isn't really the topic we're getting into, but I think, uh, it's, it's from that, it's this idea of people so badly want to believe that there are these glitches in the Matrix.
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Mm hmm.
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And time travel.
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Yes.
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I just saw, obviously, there was the one where the guy was at the Mike Tyson fight with the recorder.
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It wasn't an iPhone.
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No, but that one was debunked pretty easily.
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Did you ever see the old black and white where the lady walks by and she's on what looks like a phone?
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Yeah, but that was an earhorn.
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Right.
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That's really, that one was also very unprofessional.
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One of the original hearing aids.
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Yeah.
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And then there's another one where there's a painting, an old, old, old painting, when there's someone who's just like on an iPhone.
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It looks like an iPhone.
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I love this.
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I do too.
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It's interesting, but a lot of it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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So what I think we need to do now is take photos imagining what might be in the future.
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So people go, this is a, this is a, this is a two podcasters who lived in Chicago in the early, earliest 2000s.
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We're talking 2016.
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Yet they, like, we got to do something where we like point at our eye or something where they're just like, they, they had eye, they had eye computers.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, he's clearly using an iComputer in this photo.
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So, we've got a fake future technology to freak out future generations.
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Yep.
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So, we need like a video.
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I feel like that's counter to our truth seeking mission.
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Well, but I think it's fun, and I think future truth seekers.
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I think you're now just trolling future versions of us.
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I think we are.
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So, what I want is a video of you going, hey, Marty, what time does the movie start?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, what time is Ghostbusters playing?
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And I go, hold on a second.
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And I act like I'm pressing my I.
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I close my eye and I go like this and I go, ah, shit, we missed the 920.
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But the good news is, there's a 1045.
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And then people are like, I just bought tickets.
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Yep.
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And I'd be like, hold on.
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Ooh, there's still good seats available.
► 00:15:02
And then people are like, what the f- What happened?
► 00:15:03
I feel like that technology is cumbersome in a certain way that you have to poke your eye in order to use the computer.
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As I was doing that, it didn't feel great.
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Maybe I'll do my temple.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Cause then it's almost like telepathic.
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And then I'll make this noise.
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I'll go, yeah, There's gotta be a click.
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That's what they want you to do.
► 00:15:20
So that's, so that's what you know about the Mandela effect?
► 00:15:23
No, I mean.
► 00:15:23
That was the answer to the question.
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Yeah, I'm sorry.
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I'm not quite.
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I haven't done a lot of research on this.
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I went a little flat earth heavy on my research this week.
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I feel like you hit on a couple of interesting points that will come back up.
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Yeah.
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Uh, as we, uh, go into this discussion.
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And I, this is how I've heard about this, is the Mandela thing.
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I've heard you reference it numerous times, and then the Berenstein bears is a thing.
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Yes.
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Uh, I, and I like that idea, and it, it's kind of a subtle thing where you're like, wait, are they, did they die?
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Are they alive?
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You know, and that's like, or you, and you look up something, and you're like, that happened then?
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And you're like, what?
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's kind of what the, like, what everything boils down to, is like, that, that, what, what, hm?
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That's a good one.
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And it's not like, this, like, You know, it's no Planet of the Apes ending when you see the Statue of Liberty.
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You're like, oh my God, it's been here all the time.
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Ah, you damn dirty apes.
► 00:16:14
This is us just going, wait, what?
► 00:16:18
Is there just a little glitch in this matrix?
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The definition given to the Mandela Effect on the Mandela Effect subreddit, and this is a definition that is pretty consistent.
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First of all, shout out to the Mandela Effect.
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You've got your own Reddit, you're making traction in the world.
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R slash Mandela Effect.
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Also, MandelaEffect.com has a lot of really useful information that.
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If you want to check out, if you want to go down that rabbit hole, that's a great place to start.
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Hell yeah.
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There's a lot of stuff that's kind of dumb, and a lot of stuff that's like, oh, wait.
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I'm Nelson Mandela, and I approve this page.
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That's what it says when you click on it, which is kind of old school.
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The definition given is the phenomenon where a group of people discover that a quote unquote global fact, one they feel they know to be true and have specific personal memories for, has apparently changed in the world around them.
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Now, your most recent Mandela effect, I am a bit of a freezing point.
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Uh, connoisseur, archivist, if you will.
► 00:17:13
Sure, a devotee.
► 00:17:15
Yeah, you thought that when the OJ verdict came out, you thought you were in Hawaii.
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Yes.
► 00:17:21
But it turns out you were not in Hawaii.
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Yes, I believed, and I can still sort of conjure the memory of the verdict being read.
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Yep.
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And it does, it's in the part of my brain that I file as Honolulu.
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So now we're getting into it.
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This is that thing with people too being like, you know, when you watch, like I just watched, uh, uh, CNN.
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Had a really cool documentary series about the 80s.
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Mm hmm.
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Tom Hanks, CNN, you guys fucking knocked it out of the park.
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There are those things where you're just like, wait, that was the, I thought that was the 90s.
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Mm hmm.
► 00:17:55
Like, do you have any, do you remember any specific things that, uh, stuck out to you?
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No.
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You know what's one thing, too, that, that I could explain that one away pretty easily, though.
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What?
► 00:18:04
Uh, that, I took a history of the 60s class.
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Okay.
► 00:18:07
And, uh, they also did the 60s, CNN, did the 60s, 70s, and they just did the 80s.
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Mm hmm.
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They're all on, like, Netflix, Amazon Prime.
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They're great.
► 00:18:14
One of the things that is pretty, uh, Universal to historians, their understanding is that whenever you talk about a decade, you're kind of talking about like 68 or like, you know, 59 to 72 or whatever.
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Absolutely.
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The era drifts past the 10 years that you're talking about.
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And so that causes a lot of confusion because the first couple years of the 90s were fucking 80s as shit.
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Well, that's the thing too.
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You watch some of these movies, you'll be like, oh, that movie had to have been made in the 90s.
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It's like, actually, it was 80, 89.
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You're like, oh shit.
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And there is that spillover.
► 00:18:47
And it's like, if, I mean, this is just kind of like your classic, like, um, You know, there's definitely this 80s stereotype.
► 00:18:53
Well, that wasn't.
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Day glow.
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It wasn't 19.
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It wasn't January 1st, 1980, all of a sudden everybody started wearing this certain style of clothing.
► 00:19:01
Yeah, we need neon everywhere.
► 00:19:02
Sure.
► 00:19:03
That aesthetic didn't take over day one, and then December 31st, 1989, they're like, fuck this noise.
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And in the 60s, everyone wasn't instantly hippies.
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Like, no.
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That shit didn't happen until the very tail end.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You know, so.
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And that's, I think, just our habit as people to just kind of like.
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Subcategorize everything.
► 00:19:23
Yeah, we have to make things in discrete boxes or else we can't really understand them.
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Yeah.
► 00:19:29
Now, the thing with my memory of the OJ verdict, I am very comfortable saying I was 10 years old, 11 years old.
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I don't have firm memories of a lot of stuff.
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So the fact that I don't have like a complete memory set of 10 years old makes me think, I'd probably just misfiled this one.
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And I'm comfortable with that.
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I also, and then this goes back to your childhood, and there's a lot of memories that you might not quite remember properly.
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Like if you're with a parent and they'll be like, no, no, no, you never did that.
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This is.
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Where we went there.
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And to this day, there was this restaurant we went to.
► 00:20:10
And we went with a family, a friend of our family, and their whole family.
► 00:20:15
And this place in my head was one of the most bizarre, weird places of all time.
► 00:20:21
And I can't remember.
► 00:20:23
And I can't.
► 00:20:23
No family's like, what?
► 00:20:24
I'm like, it is just like to this day, just burned in my memory this weird place we went to.
► 00:20:30
And we were in Indiana, but I think we went to Illinois to this place.
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And there was this.
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This, like, Filipino family, our family to be friends with.
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And I'm like, usually my brother's really great with facts and all this stuff.
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And he's just like, I got nothing on this?
► 00:20:43
I got nothing on it.
► 00:20:44
Which seems strange because a really weird place would stick out.
► 00:20:48
Yep.
► 00:20:48
And that's the thing, too, where it's those childhood memories.
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Who knows what?
► 00:20:52
And it's hard to go back and think, like, how long ago did I think of this?
► 00:20:56
And as a child, fantasy blends with reality a little bit, your imagination.
► 00:21:00
Yeah.
► 00:21:00
And then on top of that, you don't really know how to deal with dreams.
► 00:21:04
So you can have a dream that's super vivid and.
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Could be categorized in your memory banks as a part of what actually happened.
► 00:21:11
I wonder if, obviously, you know, people had dreams even back in the caveman days.
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Sure.
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I don't know how they dealt with that.
► 00:21:20
Better dreams, I imagine, than we have today.
► 00:21:22
You think they had better dreams back then?
► 00:21:24
Yeah, because they'd have dreams of living, as opposed to, like, how many times have you had a dream of being at work?
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Lots.
► 00:21:30
That's shitty.
► 00:21:31
But also, it's a waste of your dreams.
► 00:21:33
But I've also had dreams about being a pro wrestler.
► 00:21:35
Sure.
► 00:21:36
No caveman ever had that.
► 00:21:38
You don't know that.
► 00:21:39
You don't know that, man.
► 00:21:40
You could have had, like, some weird shaman caveman who, like, pierced the veil of time and saw into the future, into this weird fake pugilism.
► 00:21:50
What I do wonder is, like, okay, let's say you see the old timey deal of, like, you know, if you go on YouTube, there's always the, you know, 10 cases of time travel that existed.
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You know, and they'll show, like, oh, here's these people at a Nixon rally in the, you know, Late 70s or the 60s or 70s or whatever.
► 00:22:14
And like, they'll show a guy who's, oh my god, look, he's clearly got an iPhone recording this.
Dreams, Time Travel, and Wrestling
00:07:38
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Yeah.
► 00:22:17
Okay.
► 00:22:18
Let's say you have the ability.
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This is another fun thing to do.
► 00:22:21
Me and my friends, my little, uh, it's called fantasy booking wrestling.
► 00:22:25
Yeah, yeah.
► 00:22:25
You could have went back and said, Oh, good.
► 00:22:28
Okay.
► 00:22:29
So I give you my magic iPhone.
► 00:22:31
Mm hmm.
► 00:22:32
Dan, you can go back in time.
► 00:22:34
Where are you going?
► 00:22:35
Cause here's what I think instantly.
► 00:22:36
Well, I mean.
► 00:22:36
I gotta get new clothes.
► 00:22:37
I'll tell you what I'm not gonna do.
► 00:22:39
Okay.
► 00:22:39
I'm not going to go very publicly record something.
► 00:22:43
Just like, I would not do something that.
► 00:22:46
See, I think these people who did do that are trying to give clues.
► 00:22:50
No, I think they're so cavalier thinking, well, who's going to know what the fuck I'm holding up?
► 00:22:54
Yeah, I feel like that's silly.
► 00:22:57
Not on your part, but if in this hypothetical situation there's a magic time traveling iPhone guy, him being so brazen to be like, no one knows what this is, how could you not think in the future people will know what this is because I know what it is?
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Yeah.
► 00:23:14
Because that same brilliance that made him invent that.
► 00:23:18
He was in the basement all this time.
► 00:23:19
He doesn't have a lot of social grace.
► 00:23:21
He's not thinking big picture.
► 00:23:23
I don't know.
► 00:23:23
He's a classic sci fi comedy villain.
► 00:23:25
Yeah, no.
► 00:23:26
Okay, so first of all, do you think time travel exists?
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Probably.
► 00:23:30
Oh, shit.
► 00:23:31
This isn't a time travel episode, by the way.
► 00:23:33
I know.
► 00:23:34
I'm just asking you this one question, then we're going to move on.
► 00:23:37
Where are you going?
► 00:23:37
There's two thoughts about time travel that I find hard to get around.
► 00:23:42
Okay.
► 00:23:43
One is that a lot of people believe that in order for time travel to work, you could only time travel back to when the machine was invented in the first place.
► 00:23:52
So if I invented a time machine now, today, yes, Saturday.
► 00:23:57
Whatever.
► 00:23:58
July 15th, 16th.
► 00:24:00
And then 10 years from now, you could travel back to this day, but not before.
► 00:24:04
You're killing me.
► 00:24:05
That's one school of thought.
► 00:24:08
Maybe.
► 00:24:09
And then the other one is that you can't go to the past, but you could go to the future.
► 00:24:12
That's scary.
► 00:24:13
Because of how time dilation works and stuff like that.
► 00:24:16
Because technically, every time you take a flight, you're traveling a little bit in time because of the relative speed of the Earth and the plane.
► 00:24:24
There's a tiny bit of time travel involved.
► 00:24:27
And if you go to space.
► 00:24:28
You know, time slows down a bit.
► 00:24:30
Hello?
► 00:24:31
There is that concrete example.
► 00:24:33
So, Planet of the Apes could be real.
► 00:24:35
They could do that.
► 00:24:36
Fuck.
► 00:24:38
Time traveling backwards in time is a bit more difficult because of our.
► 00:24:42
But then, if you free yourself from the idea of linear time, then it's all kind of resolved.
► 00:24:47
Or if you believe in alternate dimensions, which is what we're talking about today.
► 00:24:51
How's your Dan doing in an alternate dimension?
► 00:24:54
Well, my Dan's doing terrible and awesome.
► 00:24:56
Yeah.
► 00:24:56
In every possible scenario, he's doing every.
► 00:24:59
Like, in one scenario.
► 00:25:01
This podcast is the biggest thing in the world.
► 00:25:03
Oh, man, he's killing it.
► 00:25:04
In one, I have no listeners.
► 00:25:06
No.
► 00:25:07
In this one, we're doing okay.
► 00:25:09
In another one, you hate podcasting.
► 00:25:11
Yeah, yeah.
► 00:25:12
Hate it.
► 00:25:12
Yeah.
► 00:25:13
Hate it.
► 00:25:13
You know, that's what's always so fucked up to me is like the idea that there are infinite universes.
► 00:25:18
There's a universe where you and I are having this conversation, but I have one more hair in my beard.
► 00:25:22
Isn't that crazy?
► 00:25:23
Yeah.
► 00:25:23
That's a whole other universe.
► 00:25:25
Everything else is the same except I have one more hair.
► 00:25:29
Or I talk like this.
► 00:25:30
Sure.
► 00:25:31
And then you talk like this.
► 00:25:32
I talk like this.
► 00:25:33
They, I hate, I hate, man.
► 00:25:34
That's not a good impression either.
► 00:25:35
Fuck.
► 00:25:36
I don't do good impressions of anybody.
► 00:25:38
I don't do good impressions of anybody.
► 00:25:40
Fuck you.
► 00:25:41
Fuck you.
► 00:25:43
I'm Dan and I'm drunk on power.
► 00:25:45
Nothing.
► 00:25:45
This isn't fun.
► 00:25:46
All right.
► 00:25:48
So, the Mandela effect.
► 00:25:50
It's come to the center here.
► 00:25:51
Yes.
► 00:25:52
But if I, also, if I was going to go back in time.
► 00:25:56
You know what I'd like to do?
► 00:25:57
I'd like to.
► 00:25:59
Oh, ooh.
► 00:26:00
I don't want to go back in time.
► 00:26:01
I don't want to do that.
► 00:26:02
Okay.
► 00:26:02
But what I would like to do is reverse time a little bit.
► 00:26:06
Be younger and grow up in Europe.
► 00:26:09
Interesting.
► 00:26:10
That's what I would like to do.
► 00:26:12
If I could somehow manipulate time, I would like to go back and grow up in France.
► 00:26:16
Yeah.
► 00:26:17
Yeah.
► 00:26:17
Because I would, I don't know, I feel like I'd be cooler.
► 00:26:22
I had a friend in fourth grade who moved to, I don't remember, I think maybe Tunisia or something like that.
► 00:26:29
He moved, and that's technically northern Africa, but he grew up abroad after 10 years old.
► 00:26:37
He was a fat kid when he was in Missouri.
► 00:26:40
And then he moved, and I just saw pictures of him recently.
► 00:26:44
He's fucking built like a brick shithouse.
► 00:26:47
He's got a hot fucking wife.
► 00:26:48
It's Chris Hemsworth.
► 00:26:49
He's super rich.
► 00:26:50
It's Chris Hemsworth.
► 00:26:51
Yeah, and it's just like, God damn it.
► 00:26:52
Maybe I'm projecting onto Ramsey's life, but be that as it may, I would have loved to get away from America, move to Europe at some point.
► 00:26:59
I'm already scouting locations for my eminent move.
► 00:27:04
Sure.
► 00:27:05
The woods, maybe?
► 00:27:06
No, I'm really thinking like Sweden or Norway.
► 00:27:11
I don't think those are good these days.
► 00:27:12
Why?
► 00:27:12
I don't know.
► 00:27:13
Really?
► 00:27:14
Well, I mean, the weird conservative faction of the world would say being overrun with Muslims.
► 00:27:20
Fuck, that's right.
► 00:27:22
They might not want an outsider like me, they might shut the borders down.
► 00:27:25
I don't want the bad boy of podcasting coming up to Lapland.
► 00:27:27
All right.
► 00:27:29
You got some stuck here, America.
► 00:27:31
No, Sweden's gorgeous.
► 00:27:31
I think it would be a great place to go.
► 00:27:34
Be that as it may, we've got to talk about the Mandela Effect.
► 00:27:36
I'm ready.
► 00:27:36
So the Mandela Effect is named for Mandela, Nelson Mandela.
► 00:27:41
The basic confusion is that a lot of people have different versions of when he died.
► 00:27:47
A lot of people believe that he died in approximately 1983 while he was still in a South African jail.
► 00:27:53
Now, in our reality, in our time stream.
► 00:27:55
Yeah.
► 00:27:56
He died in, what is it, uh, 2013?
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December 5th, 2013.
► 00:28:02
After being freed from prison, becoming president of South Africa.
► 00:28:05
Left Winnie.
► 00:28:06
Mm-hmm.
► 00:28:06
They made a movie about him.
► 00:28:08
Yes.
► 00:28:08
Invictus.
► 00:28:09
Invictus.
► 00:28:11
Uh, so that's where all, like, a lot of this starts.
► 00:28:14
I think everyone sort of has had that.
► 00:28:16
Me and, me and my buddy Rudy were always, whenever we talk about, like, people, he's always like, he always goes, dead or alive?
► 00:28:22
You know what I mean?
► 00:28:23
If we bring up somebody from the past, a lot of times wrestling people or things like that, but just actors in general, something like that, like, he'll just be like, You know, like Rolling Stones, Bill Wyman, like, dead or alive?
► 00:28:34
Bill Wyman, dead or alive?
► 00:28:35
And I'm like, oh shit, I don't know.
► 00:28:36
We'll have to go check.
► 00:28:37
Yeah, me and Nate Simmons have a game we play whenever we're bored that is just we name an old man and try and guess how old he is.
► 00:28:44
And often the ages are surprising sometimes.
► 00:28:48
Yeah.
► 00:28:49
Some people age better than others.
► 00:28:51
How old do you think Jimmy Buffett is?
► 00:28:53
Jimmy Buffett right now is 74.
► 00:28:55
69.
► 00:28:55
Fuck, that's close.
► 00:28:56
Yeah.
► 00:28:57
That's pretty good.
► 00:28:58
I only remember because he's 69.
► 00:28:59
Yeah.
► 00:29:00
So.
► 00:29:01
These theories started to pop up in the early 2010 decade, let's say, around, uh, uh, generally 2012 is when things start to be around on the internet, uh, in a meaningful way.
► 00:29:15
However, it was not really, no one paid a ton of attention to it except for weirdos on the internet, such as myself.
► 00:29:22
So I started talking about this stuff in about like 2014, early 2014.
► 00:29:27
If you go back in the podcast archives, you can find us talking about weird time slip stuff.
► 00:29:32
And as the Freezing Point archivist, I can tell you that is true.
► 00:29:35
Yeah.
► 00:29:35
However, didn't catch mainstream attention until about August 2015.
► 00:29:40
Vice, AV Club, all sorts of.
► 00:29:43
Alex Jones.
► 00:29:44
I don't know if he's ever weighed in on this.
► 00:29:47
Those cream puff pieces by those other fucking nerds.
► 00:29:51
I do think he's an asshole, but I'm not sure if he's chimed in on this stuff.
Real Names and Celebrity Identities
00:02:17
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Basically, it's hard to tell exactly where it started, but the rapper LP, the great rapper LP from Run the Jewels and.
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Def Jux Records.
► 00:30:05
Let's play a little bit of that for the crowd.
► 00:30:06
No, I'm just kidding.
► 00:30:07
Play Stepfather Factory.
► 00:30:08
Goddamn, great song.
► 00:30:10
Deep Space 9mm.
► 00:30:11
Oh, that's great.
► 00:30:13
Go check out Fantastic Damage.
► 00:30:15
Fucking awesome album from before.
► 00:30:17
I don't know who he is, but he's got a knack for names.
► 00:30:19
El Producto.
► 00:30:21
Get out of here.
► 00:30:22
He built Definitive Jux.
► 00:30:23
It's Def Jux' record label from the ground up.
► 00:30:25
Get out of here.
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Called it Def Jux, then got in trouble with Def Jam.
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They're like, that was a little close.
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So he had to go with Definitive Jux.
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Awesome.
► 00:30:33
It had the roots.
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I like.
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Cannibal Ox.
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Aesop Rock.
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Ah, so many others.
► 00:30:37
I like when someone is Party Fun Action Committee.
► 00:30:40
That's a great name.
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Party Fun Action Committee.
► 00:30:41
I like when someone has to change a name because of illegal issues or things like that.
► 00:30:45
Like Luther Campbell?
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And they make it better.
► 00:30:48
I don't know if Luther Campbell did because he was Luke Skywalker.
► 00:30:50
You can't beat Luke Skywalker.
► 00:30:51
But I do like, though, how, like, you know, a lot of times in wrestling, too, it's like, oh, you got to change your name or whatever.
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And it's like, oh, man.
► 00:30:57
But then it's like, I like that better.
► 00:30:58
Like what?
► 00:31:00
Who's done that?
► 00:31:01
Well, so Cesaro was originally Claudio Casagnoli.
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Okay.
► 00:31:06
And everyone's like, well, he's got to be Antonio Cesaro.
► 00:31:08
But then they just went Cesaro.
► 00:31:09
And now it's like, he's Cesaro.
► 00:31:11
Yeah.
► 00:31:11
Claudio Castagnetti is a great name too.
► 00:31:13
Castagnoli.
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Even better.
► 00:31:15
I know.
► 00:31:15
That's real Italian.
► 00:31:16
I know.
► 00:31:18
That's Roman.
► 00:31:19
It's great.
► 00:31:19
But, you know, there's just things I was like, hey, Cesaro.
► 00:31:23
Yeah, Cesaro's a great name.
► 00:31:24
Antonio Cesaro is good too.
► 00:31:25
Prince Devitt became Finn Balor.
► 00:31:27
Is there a legal reason for that?
► 00:31:29
No, they want to own the name in these instances.
► 00:31:31
Oh, because he wrestled as Prince Devitt in Japan.
► 00:31:34
Okay.
► 00:31:34
Because he's Fergal Devitt.
► 00:31:36
Okay.
► 00:31:36
That's his real name.
► 00:31:37
And people in Japan couldn't say Fergal, so he became Prince Devitt.
► 00:31:41
Okay.
► 00:31:41
And then Deborah B. is like, we want to own your name.
► 00:31:44
Because we need to make shirts.
► 00:31:45
Sure.
► 00:31:46
We need to make shirts and we want all the profits.
► 00:31:48
We don't want to give those Japanese a little taste.
► 00:31:50
So, that's the thing they have to do in wrestling, change their names.
► 00:31:55
I like too when a.
► 00:31:58
A celebrity's real name is already something.
► 00:32:01
Sure.
► 00:32:01
Carmen Electra.
► 00:32:03
Her real name.
► 00:32:04
Wait, wait, wait.
► 00:32:05
Her real name is Woody Allen.
► 00:32:07
No, her real name is like Katie Perry or something like that.
Legal Name Changes in Pro Wrestling
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Hold on.
► 00:32:12
I got to Google this.
► 00:32:14
Dan's having an issue.
► 00:32:15
Dan's having a Mandela effect right now.
► 00:32:17
No, her real name is some name that's already.
► 00:32:20
Or they have to add like Michael K., Michael B. Jordan.
► 00:32:24
Yeah, Carmen Electra's real name is Tara Patrick.
► 00:32:26
Whoa.
► 00:32:27
The porn star.
► 00:32:28
Yeah, yeah.
► 00:32:28
Tasty.
► 00:32:29
Her birth name was Tara Lee Patrick.
► 00:32:32
And so she changed her name to Carmen Electric.
► 00:32:35
Did she or did Prince name her that?
► 00:32:36
Oh, that's a good point.
► 00:32:37
He might have.
► 00:32:38
Mind out.
► 00:32:38
Prince Devitt?
► 00:32:39
Prince.
► 00:32:40
Oh, shit.
► 00:32:41
No, Prince Rogers Nelson.
► 00:32:42
All right.
► 00:32:44
So, yeah, around 2015, August 2015, it came to everybody's attention.
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Everybody started posting a bunch of bullshit about the Berenstein Bears.
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And that's the extent that most people care about it they're freaked out because everybody thinks that the spelling is B E R E N S T E I N, whereas in our reality, it's B E R E S T E I N.
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A I N Bears.
► 00:33:09
Yeah.
► 00:33:10
Do you have any feelings on this?
► 00:33:12
Do you remember it being Baron Stein or Baron Stein?
► 00:33:19
I always remember it being Baron Stein.
► 00:33:20
Yeah, it's Baron Stein.
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Yeah.
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If anyone asked me how to spell it, I would spell it like Kevin Stein.
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Because I remember S T E E N would have been how my brain went.
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Yeah, because I always remember joking around that they were Jewish bears.
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Yeah.
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Because they were the Baron Stein bears.
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Yeah.
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That was the feeling.
► 00:33:41
But does it make you feel weird that it's not that?
► 00:33:45
Yes, because I used to watch it as a kid.
► 00:33:48
And I just feel very weird whenever something's going on where I'm like, what was going on there?
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But are you at all convinced that it changed?
► 00:33:59
You're looking at me with a weird look.
► 00:34:01
Well, first of all, I'm thinking of me as a young kid being run by this Matrix.
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You're programmed.
► 00:34:10
Fuck, it just makes me.
► 00:34:13
I'm just looking up at the sky thinking maybe I can see the top on this bubble.
► 00:34:16
Who knows?
► 00:34:16
It's all ones and zeros out there, man.
► 00:34:18
It's all ones and zeros.
► 00:34:20
But this is a weird one because I definitely remember it being the Bernstein Bears.
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Yeah.
► 00:34:27
I do.
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I mean, the cartoons and everything.
► 00:34:33
And that's the thing, too, where it's like in my head I'm thinking, oh, I know what we'll do.
► 00:34:36
We'll go back, we'll go on eBay, we'll find old merch, or we'll YouTube the cartoon, or this or that.
► 00:34:42
But it's like.
► 00:34:44
Some programmer got a report, and they're like, God damn it, freezing down in programming, fucked up the Bernstein bears.
► 00:34:50
And they'll just go in retroactively and fix it.
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So anything you do search will come up.
► 00:34:55
Oh man, it has always been this.
► 00:34:58
I don't think that there's any real solid evidence that it ever was Stein.
► 00:35:03
That's crazy to me.
► 00:35:04
I've seen a couple pictures of people with e books, or like books with the E on it, but it's not compelling to a point where I can't prove that wasn't Photoshop.
► 00:35:13
So what do our truth seekers think?
► 00:35:15
Our truth seekers, well, there's a guy who's sort of one of the original theorists on this.
► 00:35:24
He had a blog, and his argument was that at some point, he made this argument in 2012.
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At some point in the last 10 years or so, reality has been tampered with, and history has been retroactively changed.
► 00:35:37
The bears really were called the Baron Stein Bears when we were growing up, but now reality has been altered such that the name of the bears has been changed post hoc.
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Somehow, we have all undergone a pi over two phase change in all four dimensions so that we moved to a stain hexadecadent while our counterpoints moved to our hexadecadent stein.
► 00:36:00
They're standing around expressing their confusion about the Berenstein bears and how they all remember Berenstein bears on the cover growing up.
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Interesting.
► 00:36:09
So, the argument that this guy is making I don't know what pi over two phase change or hexadecadent means.
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Let me explain.
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Okay.
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Get the fuck out of here.
► 00:36:18
Uh, But the idea, I guess, is that there's two universes and they somehow collided, and some of us were from this original other dimension and we're now here, and people from that one, we swapped somehow.
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That's what the Power Man 5000 song, When Worlds Collide, is all about.
► 00:36:43
That really hurt my throat.
► 00:36:44
Yeah.
► 00:36:47
So.
► 00:36:48
I mean, this guy's got a lot of stuff he's dealing with.
► 00:36:50
I guess what cracks me up is kind of like he's dealing with all this heavy duty stuff, yet it's about a kid's cartoon.
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Yes.
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But some would say if it's a kid's cartoon, that maybe was where the least amount of effort's going into because we need to handle the big stuff, the politics.
► 00:37:07
So that's where the programmers are putting all their real effort is into the major stuff.
► 00:37:12
The major stuff.
► 00:37:13
Kids' stuff, maybe that's your first real job.
► 00:37:16
Dan, you're new.
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Welcome to Brain Corp.
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I'm happy to be here.
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I'm going to ask you about benefits.
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Yes.
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Before we get going.
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Yes.
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Health?
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You will be healthy.
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Dental?
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You're going to kill us.
► 00:37:29
We don't have dental.
► 00:37:30
Do you pay every week or every two weeks?
► 00:37:32
Every two weeks.
► 00:37:33
I don't like that.
► 00:37:34
I like that kind of check.
► 00:37:35
And you're always going to be a check behind.
► 00:37:37
Ah, fuck.
► 00:37:37
But when you quit or when we fire you, you're going to get that one extra check.
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I don't feel like I could get fired from here.
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I think you're going to kill me.
► 00:37:43
Well, you know, let's just say we own you.
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Uh huh.
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And also, I just realized this.
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Do you think that the programmers of this hypothetical matrix live inside our reality or outside of it?
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I think it's one of these things where you clearly can choose either way.
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What does that mean?
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Like, remember the Matrix?
► 00:38:09
Yeah.
► 00:38:09
Joey Pants, Joey Pantaleone is.
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I remember him.
► 00:38:12
I was like, I want to be, I don't want to remember any of this.
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I want to eat this steak.
► 00:38:16
I want to eat this steak.
► 00:38:17
I want to be rich and famous and blah, I'm tired of things being fake.
► 00:38:23
You know what he should have said?
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Yeah, you can fix me a full head of hair, too.
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Yeah.
► 00:38:27
I do enjoy.
► 00:38:28
Make me not a creepy old dude.
► 00:38:30
Yeah, I do enjoy, uh, uh, sci fi movies where people have, like, who are bald and who have, like, you know what I mean?
► 00:38:40
We have magical technologies, but we can't fix your head.
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Yeah.
► 00:38:43
That was my favorite, uh, when, uh, Jason X, when they were in outer space, which is just one of the biggest pieces of shit of all time.
► 00:38:51
Totally disagree, but okay.
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I mean, in a great way.
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Yeah.
► 00:38:53
Right?
► 00:38:54
It's a nutty, nutty romp.
► 00:38:56
And it's, it's, the, the production value is, is, is worse than anything from the sci-fi channel 20 years ago, 15 years ago.
► 00:39:06
But there's the one where they have Jason frozen and he's got his giant machete and he falls forward and chops this guy's arm off and then they put the arm back on him.
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Yet, there's people who are like bald on that.
► 00:39:16
It's like, okay, you can attach an arm, but you can't fix this guy's hair.
► 00:39:19
Do you know that some people believe that Jason X never happened?
► 00:39:24
I would like to think it never happened.
► 00:39:27
That's actually the producers just pretending it didn't happen.
► 00:39:29
I always think, too, with cartoons, cartoons are very much something that people read a lot into.
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Whether it's the dicks in the Disney cartoons or what's Donald Duck really saying?
► 00:39:42
Is he saying the N word and things like that?
► 00:39:45
And I think cartoons is one of those things because it's man made.
► 00:39:50
Then people can speculate, well, if it's man made, and then this idea going back to what we were talking about with the BTK machine.
LSD Experiences and Mandela Effects
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I love saying that now.
► 00:40:00
But that idea of, well, like they got this thing.
► 00:40:03
Yeah.
► 00:40:03
So they can throw some wacky stuff in there.
► 00:40:05
You mean the subliminal.
► 00:40:07
Sure.
► 00:40:08
But what we're talking about is more.
► 00:40:11
You know, it's just one of those things where it's like, if all this is a giant matrix.
► 00:40:17
Yes.
► 00:40:19
And first of all, like any corporation, there's got to be disgruntled employees.
► 00:40:25
Like that to me is.
► 00:40:27
Oh, interesting.
► 00:40:28
If you're assuming that somehow there was a glitch in the system and, oh shit, people think it's Berenstein, Berenstein.
► 00:40:35
Okay.
► 00:40:35
There had to have been somebody.
► 00:40:39
I just think, in general, it's in our nature to be like, Fuck this shit.
► 00:40:43
Yeah.
► 00:40:44
Somebody quit and put on a little fucking kid rock and got himself amped up.
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Hit a button.
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I'm fucking out of here.
► 00:40:52
Took his shirt off, threw it at the boss, hit a button, and all of a sudden you're watching the Super Bowl and this guy opens up, and then you see a giant man looking like, oh shit, and then he closes it.
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And then that guy is summarily executed.
► 00:41:06
Big deal.
► 00:41:06
Have you ever experienced what you might call a glitch in the Matrix?
► 00:41:09
I feel like I have.
► 00:41:10
I feel like there had to have been something where I was just like, wait, what?
► 00:41:13
Like.
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I know I have.
► 00:41:15
Okay.
► 00:41:16
I've talked about this a little bit in the past, but, uh, one time I was doing a show out in the suburbs.
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I really am bummed out that you don't say famously anymore, because I think I ruined seeing that.
► 00:41:24
You did.
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Yeah.
► 00:41:25
You drove it into the ground.
► 00:41:27
And I don't do the people come up to me and they say, Dan, because you ruined that.
► 00:41:30
Because I always say that to you when I see you.
► 00:41:33
But then also, uh, you no longer say, like, I famously have told this story before.
► 00:41:37
Yeah.
► 00:41:38
Well, I mean, I, I don't know if it's just a subconscious thing where I know that you keep bringing it up, so I'm trying to not do it.
► 00:41:44
I don't know.
► 00:41:45
Anyway, I famously did a show in the suburbs.
► 00:41:47
What if you were like, I never said that, and I imagined that you did?
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Oh, shit.
► 00:41:50
I notoriously did a show in the suburbs.
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Notorious.
► 00:41:54
With Timmy Brochu, comedian Timmy Brochu, and Colin Bohannon, and someone else.
► 00:41:59
There was a third person along in the car with us, four of us in the car.
► 00:42:03
And we were driving back from, I think, Oswego.
► 00:42:07
No.
► 00:42:08
Where is the comedy shrine?
► 00:42:09
Aurora.
► 00:42:10
Aurora.
► 00:42:11
We had done a show in Aurora at the comedy shrine.
► 00:42:13
We were driving back, and I was sober.
► 00:42:15
I didn't drink that night.
► 00:42:16
I didn't smoke any weed or anything.
► 00:42:18
I didn't take any drugs.
► 00:42:20
And I remember it clearly because one of them did all the drugs.
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I'm not going to say whether it was Colin or Timmy, but one of them chugged a bottle of Jameson and threw up in the green room, and I was blamed for it.
► 00:42:36
Not by any, like, they didn't sell me out or anything, but the person who was running the show thought it was me.
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Okay.
► 00:42:41
And so I was banned from there for a while until that got resolved.
► 00:42:45
And they were like, hey, did you throw up in the green room?
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No, fuck no, I was sober that night.
► 00:42:48
So I very vividly remember, like, no substances.
► 00:42:51
I was very on the straight and narrow.
► 00:42:53
We're driving home, and I looked over at Timmy at one point, and I saw him as a grid.
► 00:43:00
I saw him as lines, like moving lines, almost of animation.
► 00:43:05
Whoa.
► 00:43:05
Yeah.
► 00:43:06
I sort of closed my eyes and shook my head and I looked back and he was corporeal again.
► 00:43:11
But I saw him as, like, basically the Matrix, would be.
► 00:43:14
Yeah.
► 00:43:15
And there's no, like, drug explanation of it.
► 00:43:17
There's no, like, I wasn't wildly sleep deprived or anything like that.
► 00:43:22
It's just, it was just a very weird visual thing I saw.
► 00:43:25
See, my thing is drug.
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Okay.
► 00:43:30
Well, we might have an explanation for it pretty quickly.
► 00:43:33
And it's drug fueled.
► 00:43:35
I was in high school on LSD.
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And I tend to think that maybe drugs like LSD or mushrooms somehow almost act like a tinfoil hat to blocking out some of these things.
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And that's why we think some of these things, maybe.
► 00:43:55
If I'm going to get weird.
► 00:43:56
You mean it acts as like a transistor?
► 00:43:58
Yeah.
► 00:43:59
It picks up frequencies.
► 00:44:01
No, I think it blocks.
► 00:44:03
I think it opens up.
► 00:44:04
So it blocks negative frequencies?
► 00:44:05
It opens up something.
► 00:44:06
Okay.
► 00:44:07
Your third eye.
► 00:44:08
Maybe.
► 00:44:09
Or this idea that we only use 10% of our brains or something like that.
► 00:44:13
But one time we were on copious amounts of LSD.
► 00:44:17
We were watching TV.
► 00:44:19
It was a rerun of the old TV show called Fame.
► 00:44:23
I remember that show.
► 00:44:24
And it's a musical show.
► 00:44:29
And we were on the couch watching this.
► 00:44:34
And it was like a father and son.
► 00:44:36
And they were having a goodbye or something.
► 00:44:40
And I just go, I wish they would just dance on the wing of that airplane.
► 00:44:45
Next thing you know, they're dancing on the wing of the airplane.
► 00:44:48
That's pretty wild.
► 00:44:49
And I was like, my, my buddy, my buddy just goes, make him do more things.
► 00:44:54
And were you able to make them do anything else?
► 00:44:57
I don't, I don't remember.
► 00:44:58
Still, that's pretty, that's pretty crazy, but that's also just like a good drug coincidence.
Saint George and Curious Tales
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Sure.
► 00:45:03
It's wild that they would dance on a plane and that your brain would think, ah, that's what I want him to do.
► 00:45:09
Maybe you were tapping into something.
► 00:45:11
Who knows?
► 00:45:11
That's what I wanted to think.
► 00:45:13
Yeah.
► 00:45:13
So, Marty, something I want to do now, I want to do a couple of things.
► 00:45:16
We have a couple of, uh, Some chunks here.
► 00:45:18
All right, I like that.
► 00:45:19
I want to feed you a couple of Mandela effects that I've researched and found that kind of weirded me out a little bit.
► 00:45:27
I also think if Nelson Mandela was going to have a podcast, it should be called the Mandela Effect.
► 00:45:31
But it would be in competition with Freezing Point.
► 00:45:33
No, it should be called the Mandela Effect, but it should be spelled A.
► 00:45:37
The Mandela Affect, where he talks to people about their mental state.
► 00:45:41
Yes.
► 00:45:42
How's your affect these days?
► 00:45:43
So, okay, here's a basic one Did Curious George have a tail?
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Do you remember Curious George having a tail one way or the other?
► 00:45:53
Yes, he did.
► 00:45:54
He did not.
► 00:45:55
It was a real curly tail.
► 00:45:57
He did not.
► 00:45:58
Curious George has never had a tail.
► 00:46:00
Yeah, you're looking at me flummoxed.
► 00:46:03
Turns out the history is that he did not.
► 00:46:07
And that man didn't have a yellow hat.
► 00:46:11
He did.
► 00:46:12
Yeah, I was like, wait a minute, he just didn't really have a yellow hat.
► 00:46:14
His name was the man in the yellow hat.
► 00:46:15
The man in the yellow hat.
► 00:46:16
Okay.
► 00:46:18
Is Mother Teresa a saint?
► 00:46:21
Homeo Velix St. Teresa.
► 00:46:25
No.
► 00:46:25
Do you remember her becoming a saint?
► 00:46:27
I thought there was talk about it, but it didn't happen.
► 00:46:30
That is correct based on our timeline.
► 00:46:32
She is about to become a saint.
► 00:46:33
They're going to make her a saint on September of this year.
► 00:46:36
Yeah.
► 00:46:37
A lot of people remember her being sainted while she was still alive, which is impossible.
► 00:46:42
Yeah.
► 00:46:42
They don't saint people who are still alive.
► 00:46:45
She died in 1997, and Pope John Paul II began the beatification process immediately.
► 00:46:53
Which is against the rules in the Catholic Church.
► 00:46:55
You're supposed to wait five years after someone's death.
► 00:46:57
But he's like, fuck it, we're waving it.
► 00:46:59
She was so great.
► 00:46:59
It's the Catholic Church.
► 00:47:01
We let something slide.
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Yeah, a little loose on the rules.
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So she died in 1997.
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In 2002 and 2015, the Catholic Church formally recognized a miracle.
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And each of those years, they got it through.
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So you have to have two miracles to become a saint.
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And so she's becoming a saint this year.
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But a lot of people really believe.
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Not to keep going with warrior miracles.
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I don't remember.
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I don't know.
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I didn't look that up.
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Okay.
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I don't know.
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Food.
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Making food appear.
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Turn some water into wine.
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I always.
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That's always such horse shit to me, too.
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Like the idea of these people go, like.
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Okay, in order to be a saint, we have to formally prove that you had miracles.
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You're formally proving miracles?
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Get the fuck out of here, church.
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So I can understand.
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This one is kind of like.
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It makes more sense to me because the process of formalizing miracles, the beatification stuff, it's easy to get confused, like, think she's already a saint.
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Yeah.
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But nah, this year.
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Okay.
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Last one.
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Okay.
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The Lindbergh baby.
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Yes.
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Did the Lindbergh baby ever get found?
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This is one that kind of freaked me out.
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Yeah, I think they found the baby.
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They did.
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Yeah.
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Two months after the baby went missing, they found the baby dead.
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Now, here's where this weirds me out.
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Okay.
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It's a running joke in pop culture.
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I'm the Lindbergh baby.
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I was the Lindbergh baby.
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There's an episode of The Simpsons where Grandpa claims that he is the Lindbergh baby.
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Now, these jokes wouldn't make sense if the baby was found dead.
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Right.
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If the baby is kidnapped and never seen again, then it's.
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Then you can make those jokes.
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Right.
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The only reference point that most people who weren't alive then have are jokes that anyone could be the Lindbergh baby.
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I guess my question is why?
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Why do the Lindbergh baby thing or why do the tail thing?
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What do you mean?
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I guess.
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Why go back and fix that?
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I'm curious if you are assuming that these Matrix programmers are 100% the truth.
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Is that what you mean?
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I kind of feel like they are.
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Okay, so.
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So, like, who's going back and fixing things?
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So, somebody was just like, well, I guess my thing is if Curious George had a tail growing up, and I can draw it.
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Can you?
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Alright, let's do this.
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Let's do this.
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Do you have a piece of paper by you?
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Uh, yeah.
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Alright.
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Uh, can I have a pen?
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Yeah.
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Alright.
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You're gonna draw Curious George?
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Do you have a pen?
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No, I don't wanna draw.
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I'm not a good drawer.
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I'm gonna look up an actual picture of him and see how close your image is.
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I'm not gonna draw.
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I'm just gonna draw his tail.
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Okay.
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I think that's what his tail looks like.
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You have a swirly cue.
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Yeah.
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You have a swirl.
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Yeah, it looks like the at almost.
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All of the pictures that are coming up, Curious George, no tail.
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Even there's a picture of him laying on his stomach reading a book, no tail coming up.
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Now I will Google Curious George, tail.
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Yeah.
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It's going to be stories about him.
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He's just fucking.
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You better do image.
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Even Safe Search off.
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Yeah.
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That should be at the beginning of this podcast, but take the Safe Search in your mind off.
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That's not bad.
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Maybe that.
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Okay, that's our new thing.
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All the pictures, even if you Google Curious George Tail, the only picture that comes up is clearly not an official image, and it's a straight tail pointing upwards.
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Weird.
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Okay.
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There's no curly tail.
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Okay.
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So, anyway, the one that freaked me out the most was the, for sure, the Lindbergh baby one.
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Yeah.
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Also, a lot of people believe that misattributed movie quotes are evidence of a Mandela effect.
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Like, in Star Wars, Darth Vader never says, Luke, I'm your father.
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Oh, yeah.
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He says, No, I'm your father.
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Well, I think a lot of that is.
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And it's, it's just the same.
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I mean, this is not to, not to get political or whatever, but it's like, I feel like this is like with, with politics, if you keep saying the same thing over and over again, people believe it.
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Yeah.
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You know, people will be like, repetition creeps, dissent, I want your guns.
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You know what I mean?
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And then it'll be like, you start to believe it.
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You start to believe it.
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Like, what's the quote from Apollo 13?
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Houston, we have a problem.
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Nope.
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It's Houston, we've had a problem.
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Yeah.
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Which is easy to smooth out to we have a problem.
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And also, it's, it's just becomes the thing.
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And then let's say, like, let's say you and I are working at a newspaper.
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And it's so fucking dumb, but it's always like, yeah, like the, the, the rocket's lost.
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We're going to write Houston, we have a problem.
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Yeah.
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And you're like, No, no, actually, it's Houston.
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We had a problem.
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We've had a problem.
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We've had a problem.
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It's like, well, Dan, no, for this, it's, you know.
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What's the quote from Cinderella?
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Not Cinderella.
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Was it Cinderella?
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Where the witch is looking at a mirror.
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Mirror, mirror.
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On the wall.
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Right.
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Who is the fairest?
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It's not.
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One of all.
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It's magic mirror on the wall, is the quote.
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What's the quote from Forrest Gump?
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When he's sitting there on the bus stop talking to the lady at the beginning of the movie.
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Life's like a box of chocolates.
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Nope.
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Life was like a box of chocolates.
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See?
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Because he's referencing a quote from Mama.
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It says, Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates.
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But it's so much simpler to just say life is like a box of chocolates.
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Because if you're quoting it to somebody, you don't want to talk about Mama.
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You don't want to talk about this other character in the movie.
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Hulk Hogan famously said, Don't date N words.
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No.
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My daughter's not going to date any of those N words.
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He called it the wrong name for the NWO.
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He called it the New World Organization of Professional Wrestling.
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But that's cool, too, though.
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That's fine.
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It is an organization.
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It's also the NWO.
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I think, my theory, I'd love to handle this one one day.
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Okay.
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And there are people who claim this to be the case, is that the real NWO.
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Like the global Illuminati?
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Which Ted Turner is a member of.
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Sure, sure.
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Ted Turner owned World Championship Wrestling.
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Ted Turner was too busy with his goats.
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The idea was his buffaloes.
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Buffaloes.
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Bison and buffaloes.
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So the idea was we'll make this outlandish wrestling group, the New World Order, to take the real distraction off of the real New World Order.
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I have heard that before, and if the NWO is real, then that makes sense.
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Also, what color do you think chartreuse is?
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I don't know.
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I'm dumb.
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The color chartreuse.
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Red?
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You think it's red?
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Well, of course.
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I mean, it does sound like it's red, doesn't it?
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It's yellowish green.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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A lot of people have very firm memories of chartreuse being a reddish pink.
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Yeah, I don't even know what navy blue looks like.
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I can't even really tell you what navy blue looks like for sure.
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Is that almost black?
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It's grayish blue.
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It's like a grayish blue.
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Who cares?
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What's the blue that's almost black?
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I don't know.
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Okay.
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I don't know colors.
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I know chartreuse because of the booze.
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You know what I do sometimes?
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In stores, I can't tell black and blue sometimes.
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And I ask the people who work there.
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And sometimes they're like, yeah, I get that too.
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Sometimes the line is kind of gray.
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No pun intended.
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Yeah.
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Do you remember that magic color changing dress?
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Yeah.
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That was on Facebook for a bit?
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Yeah.
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I didn't get it.
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I didn't either.
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It looked blue to me.
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Wait, no, it looked the other color.
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I don't care.
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I don't care.
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So I put this out to the social media world.
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I had people call in.
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The Freezing Pointer Sisters.
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Yes, our community.
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And we got some interesting messages.
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We're going to start with one that kind of doesn't make sense.
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Oh, go figure.
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Yeah, here we go.
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Personally, I believe these Berenstein Bear motherfuckers are the same motherfuckers who say Pluto ain't a planet no more, so I don't trust it.
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So, that's an interesting angle.
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The Berenstein Bears are the same people who say that Pluto isn't a planet.
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So, Pluto got downgraded.
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Yeah, because.
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It didn't perform two miracles.
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Right.
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So it was downgraded from a planet.
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To like a dwarf star or something like that.
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A dwarf planet.
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And that guy clearly takes issue with that.
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Yes.
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I'm not sure the point they were trying to make, but I definitely appreciate you calling in.
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I'm assuming that's a guy who had a tattoo of Pluto, and it said, my favorite planet underneath it.
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I have not listened to all of these calls, so I don't know what we're getting into.
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I love it.
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But here's another message we got.
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Dan, Rudy Schultz here.
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I saw your message online about the Berenstain Bears, and I just wanted to let you know that I've heard you talk about the Berenstain Bears on the freezing point a whole bunch before.
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It blew my mind, looked it up, couldn't believe that it wasn't the Berenstain Bears, and that it's the Berenstain Bears, and I don't know much about the Mandela effect.
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But I found that to be pretty unsettling, and now constantly, especially with folk that are of Jewish heritage, because I know that they might have more exposure to the Bernstein, Bernstein, Bernstein conundrum due to their knowledge of their own culture and where their last names come from, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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Every single person I ask about it thinks it's the Bernstein Bears, and then when they find out that it's the Bernstein Bears, they lose their minds.
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And it's every single person that I ask about it.
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The only way that anyone knows that it's the Berenstein bears is if they've read about the Mandela effect specifically.
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Just wanted to let you know that's because you put a thing out online.
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Talk to you later.
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If you Google Berenstein bears?
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It says, do you mean?
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I don't know.
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Let's try it.
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I've never spent time Googling it.
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I always Google it the correct spelling because I'm not a ding dong.
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All you dumb assholes out there who think.
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Yeah, it says, uh, showing results for Baron Stain Bears.
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Shit, Google.
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Yeah, man.
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They've been compromised.
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Well, they've, they were compromised from the jump.
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Google's been compromised.
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Uh, so we got some more calls.
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Yes, more calls.
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Um, man, where were these maniacs when we did some of these old shows?
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Uh, here's a, uh, this, this is actually an interesting angle.
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Uh, this one I did listen to.
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Uh, here we go.
mandela effect in texas
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Hey, fellas.
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Dan from Technic here.
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Loyal Freezing Pointer sister.
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Loyal DeRosa, but calling in with my opinion.
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And let's be real, Dan, you and I. Alyssa Lamb proves that the Mandela Effect is real.
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You and I both distinctly remember 2008 reading about it, and that just can't be a coincidence as far as I'm concerned.
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This show has taught me a lot about conspiracies in the occult and led to many conversations with many people about the Mandela Effect, and the more people I talk to, the truer it seems.
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Well, that's what I want you to think.
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That's how you do a fucking call.
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Dave from Texas once again knocks it out of the park.
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Dave.
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Bringing up a really interesting and important point that we have experienced a legitimate possible Mandela effect on this podcast.
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Oh, yeah.
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If you add the OJ verdict one, that's two.
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Uh huh.
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Just in your short, brief life, you've experienced, and just on the short history of this podcast, you've experienced two Mandela effects.
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The Alyssa Lamb one is real strong, too, because I have very serious memories of being in Missouri knowing about it.
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And we're talking about.
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A murder or a very, very, very strange death of a woman.
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Not just, oh, I thought that cartoon character had red hair.
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No, it's blonde.
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Wow, it's weird.
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And the circumstances of that death are so bizarre.
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And it puts a whole thing in the mix with the Darkwater movie and all this stuff.
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And it's like, ooh, geez.
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Yeah, it's super bizarre, super freaky.
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And then we have one more call.
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This one I did listen to.
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It's a little bit long, but this guy has the new theory.
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So I feel like it's worth listening to.
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Check it out.
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Hey guys, this is Brad from Kentucky, and I think I've ran into one of those Berenstein Bears, Time Paradox, whatever the hell they are, with the original Yellow Power Ranger from the Mighty Morphin Power Ranger series, which I can't pronounce her name because I'm a redneck from Kentucky, and if I try to pronounce it, it'll sound racist.
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But her last appearance, according to Ranger Wicket, RangerWiki.com for the show was in 1994.
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She left apparently due to a pay dispute.
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And after the show, she did two movies Spy Hard with Leslie Nielsen and The Crow City of Angels in 1996.
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And after that, there's nothing on her IMDb page.
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Her death is reported to have been in 2001.
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And she died in a car crash in California where she was a passenger and the car went over an embankment and killed her.
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But I clearly remember this happening in '95 or '96.
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I remember a kid in school telling me that and telling me that's why she left the show and gave me the exact details of her death.
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And then I find it.
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Kind of weird that she was never going to do anything after 96.
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So I'm thinking that maybe something happened and her death was somehow changed and randomly happened in 2001.
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But I thought I would share that story.
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Maybe if you guys could give any input on it, it would be much appreciated.
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Or I may just be batshit crazy.
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Who knows?
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But I still believe it's one of those things.
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Well, thank you guys.
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Yeah, you're welcome, Brad.
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Brad from Kentucky, thank you for calling in with the message, bringing this to our attention.
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It is super weird that she hasn't acted since 1996.
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That five year span from 1996 to 2001, there's nothing.
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But here's some of my input.
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Okay.
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First of all, the people on the Power Rangers were not good actors.
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No.
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So the idea that they couldn't get work afterwards does not surprise me that much.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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That's one of those where you're just like, I feel like they found them at a mall.
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Yeah.
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She played a manicurist in Spy Hard, too.
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So, I mean, it's not even like a really big role.
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But also, that is weird.
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I got nothing on this one.
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And I did some digging into it, and this is not one that is very widely recognized.
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It's not a sexy one in the community.
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It's not one that I could even really find a lot of people talking about.
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It's really interesting that we have a listener who has one of their own, and it could be fresh.
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And I think what really cements it is death.
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Yeah.
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Why it's called the Mandela Effect versus just like.
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Oh, I mean, the, the, it's why it's called not the Berenstein Bear effect.
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Yeah.
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Cause I think the death thing is like, wait a minute, I thought they were dead.
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And that's like, it happens a lot of times.
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And it's a, it's a classic joke too online of like, uh, you know, when an old act, like Abe Bogota dies, I only thought Abe Bogota was dead 10 years ago.
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The fish.
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20 years ago, you know, that, that whole thing too.
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Um, and, and I don't, I don't know if it's just this idea that out of sight, out of mind, you know, if somebody's no longer on TV, they stop doing those actual friars.
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Club roast, but now who's seen Abe Vagoda in years?
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Like, Johnny Carson.
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I thought he was already, oh, he's still alive.
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I thought he was dead.
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He's dead.
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And I know I'm saying, but when he did die, there's tons of.
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And then, when you add into now the modern culture of death hoaxes happening so frequently online, it muddies the water a ton.
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Because that mentality has always existed.
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The internet has just made us able to popularize things much easier.
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So, like, 20 years ago, before the internet was what it is today, people were still doing death hoaxes.
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Now, I'm not saying that necessarily that's what Brad from Kentucky experienced, but also kids are dumb.
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So, there's a possibility that this kid telling him that was an asshole.
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And there's also that thing.
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Uh, where, where I think sometimes people stick to their guns too much of like, no, I remember for a fact.
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Like, in wrestling, there's a lot of, there's multiple Undertakers, there's multiple Ultimate Warriors, and it's like.
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The Warrior one apparently is true though, right?
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No.
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It's always been Jim Hellwig.
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Oh, I, I thought that that one had some, like, credence to it.
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Alright.
► 01:03:31
No.
► 01:03:32
Um, there, there are.
► 01:03:34
But there's more than one Dink the Clown.
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Doink the Clown.
► 01:03:37
Yeah.
► 01:03:38
And Dink the Midget.
► 01:03:39
Oh.
► 01:03:39
Sorry.
► 01:03:39
But we say Midget Wrestling.
► 01:03:40
Wait, I thought they were both clowns though.
► 01:03:42
Doink and Dink?
► 01:03:43
Yeah.
► 01:03:43
Yeah, Dink was his mini.
► 01:03:44
Oh, okay, okay.
► 01:03:45
So.
► 01:03:46
There's a lot of things where Ultimate Warrior, and they talk about it in the Self Destruction, the Ultimate Warrior.
► 01:03:53
He came back, the guy just wasn't on steroids as much as he was.
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And he had to change his haircut, and he looked different.
► 01:03:58
It's always been Jim Helwig.
► 01:03:59
You can watch when he was the Dingo Warrior, you can watch the night before he died.
► 01:04:03
He's the same, clearly the same guy.
► 01:04:05
Yeah.
► 01:04:06
Do you think there's anything weird about his death happening right after he came back to Raw?
► 01:04:12
That's for another day.
► 01:04:14
That's a whole can of worms.
► 01:04:15
I'm going to not say anything right now because I. Fear for my life?
► 01:04:18
No.
► 01:04:18
Oh, Jesus.
► 01:04:19
You were giving me a very fearful look.
► 01:04:21
No, right there.
► 01:04:22
But then there's things, uh, there's things like, um, there's just, like, especially in wrestling too, like when The Undertaker debuted, he was called Kane the Undertaker.
► 01:04:30
Oh.
► 01:04:31
Then they almost called The Undertaker, and then it's, then Kane came in as another person.
► 01:04:34
Yeah.
► 01:04:35
I mean, there's just this idea of.
► 01:04:37
And if I'm, if I'm got all my facts right, Kane and Undertaker, not really brothers.
► 01:04:41
They are the brothers of destruction in name only.
► 01:04:43
Okay.
► 01:04:44
So, and I think there's that thing too of like, I think a lot of this is just like, All right, you're in class in sixth grade.
► 01:04:50
Someone leans over to you and says, Hey, you know what?
► 01:04:53
You know that.
► 01:04:56
Rod Stewart got his stomach pumped.
► 01:04:58
Well, 30 gallons of gizzards.
► 01:05:00
Richard Deere has a gerbil in his ass.
► 01:05:03
There's stuff like that.
► 01:05:04
And again, this goes back to the Luke, I'm your father thing.
► 01:05:09
If something gets said so many times, it becomes a fact.
► 01:05:12
Conan, the professional wrestler and podcaster extraordinaire, has a quote.
► 01:05:17
He says, Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
► 01:05:20
And I think.
► 01:05:21
That happens.
► 01:05:23
Also, too, I just think for our narrative, we need to just keep believing that some of this stuff happens.
► 01:05:27
Sure.
► 01:05:28
It's more compelling.
► 01:05:29
It's more interesting.
► 01:05:30
It's more interesting.
► 01:05:30
It's more compelling.
► 01:05:31
Or who's to say that maybe there was a thing of like trademark issues and for a minute it was, someone just misspelled Berenstein Bears one time or something.
► 01:05:42
It's possible.
► 01:05:43
You know, I mean, all that shit's possible.
► 01:05:45
Although I would like someone who was there on the ground floor, like maybe was involved with a misprint.
► 01:05:50
That would be cool.
► 01:05:51
Be coming out like as a publisher and being like, look, we fucked up a couple copies.
► 01:05:54
What's great is I just saw, I just watched a documentary or something about hoaxes and it was about Bigfoot.
► 01:06:00
And there were the people who rented the costume to the guy and he even said, Hey, I could, people could still see the zipper.
► 01:06:07
What should I do?
► 01:06:08
And they're going to just mess up the hair in the back a little bit or blow dry it or something like this.
► 01:06:11
All the people who like, and they go on record being like, this guy has committed many hoaxes in his life.
► 01:06:15
Yeah.
► 01:06:16
And, and, and he was like, uh, and they even said like we were watching it on the news and we're like, well, that's our, that's our costume.
► 01:06:22
Like, and they're in the same area and they're like, that's our costume.
► 01:06:25
Should we just say something?
► 01:06:26
And they didn't say something.
► 01:06:28
And now, even though they're saying something, now the people who want to believe so bad are like, no, you're just saying that, or the government just wants you to say that.
► 01:06:33
That is a phenomenon that is known as confirmation bias.
► 01:06:36
Yeah.
► 01:06:36
And that is something that is very heavily involved in this stuff.
► 01:06:40
Because whatever you want to believe, you will believe.
► 01:06:43
X-Files.
► 01:06:44
I want to believe.
► 01:06:45
Mm-hmm.
► 01:06:45
Therefore, everything you see is evidence of the conclusion you already made.
► 01:06:49
Which is a dangerous line of thinking.
► 01:06:51
Yeah.
► 01:06:51
Oh, it's very dangerous.
► 01:06:53
So that's one possible explanation for all this.
► 01:06:56
There's two others.
► 01:06:57
Lay a mommy.
► 01:06:58
That I have come up with.
► 01:06:59
Lay a mommy.
► 01:07:00
That I think are interesting and totally unprovable.
► 01:07:03
Yes.
► 01:07:04
One of them is that a time traveler came back.
► 01:07:09
So it's interesting that we brought up time travel so much.
► 01:07:12
Potentially, a time traveler came back to try and avert some sort of crisis around Y2K.
► 01:07:18
That's just one example.
► 01:07:19
There could be any period of time where they came back.
► 01:07:22
And inadvertently, because they came back, they inexorably changed some things.
► 01:07:27
Yeah.
► 01:07:28
Because had this guy not come back, Mandela would have died in prison.
► 01:07:31
No.
► 01:07:32
When the clock struck midnight, planes would have fallen out of the sky.
► 01:07:36
Absolutely.
► 01:07:36
Banks would have gone to zero.
► 01:07:37
Every computer would have crashed.
► 01:07:39
And he went on a computer and he typed in this.
► 01:07:41
Code.
► 01:07:43
And okay, a couple glitches.
► 01:07:45
Yep.
► 01:07:46
A couple things went backfired.
► 01:07:47
Because of it, and the butterfly effect of that was that Mandela survived.
► 01:07:52
A bunch of people, like Billy Graham, survived when he was supposed to be dead.
► 01:07:59
Supposed to be bears changed.
► 01:08:02
The minister.
► 01:08:03
Ow.
► 01:08:04
The Lindbergh baby was found.
► 01:08:06
All these things ended up being tweaked.
► 01:08:08
The whole butterfly effect.
► 01:08:09
Yeah.
► 01:08:10
So that's one theory that people have.
► 01:08:11
Again, completely unprovable.
► 01:08:13
The yellow Power Ranger.
► 01:08:14
Uh huh.
► 01:08:15
Okay.
► 01:08:16
And then the other one, which I find awesome, also.
► 01:08:20
If you find it awesome, I can't wait.
► 01:08:22
Weirdly, not weirdly, but very unprovable, is this is all happening now, and it seems to be speeding up.
► 01:08:31
There seem to be more and more of these coincidences, more and more Mandela effects popping up, more people being freaked out by it.
► 01:08:39
Okay.
► 01:08:40
Now, it's happening since 2014, 2015 or so, it's picked up in public consciousness.
► 01:08:47
Some people believe that this is an effect of what's going on at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN.
► 01:08:55
I don't know what the fuck you're just talking about right now.
► 01:08:57
Okay.
► 01:08:58
You know, in CERN, in Switzerland.
► 01:09:00
Yeah, I know, I'm going to move there.
► 01:09:01
So I'm going to retire.
► 01:09:03
There's the Large Hadron Collider.
► 01:09:05
Are you aware of this at all?
► 01:09:06
Yes.
► 01:09:07
So it's this massive thing where they're shooting atoms at each other and trying to.
► 01:09:10
There's hypothetical potential for creating a massive black hole and destroying the universe.
► 01:09:14
Which is so fun that we're working on that.
► 01:09:16
Yeah, yeah.
► 01:09:17
They're doing these experiments.
► 01:09:19
That should.
► 01:09:21
Originally, what they were trying to do, I believe, was trying to find the Higgs boson particle.
► 01:09:25
They were trying to find the particle that gives things mass.
► 01:09:28
Yeah.
► 01:09:29
Theoretically known as the God particle.
► 01:09:31
Can we trace back this origins of the technology to a certain group?
► 01:09:38
Ted Turner.
► 01:09:39
No.
► 01:09:39
Nazis.
► 01:09:41
Probably.
► 01:09:42
I mean, with Project Paperclip.
► 01:09:44
You're not telling me that these aren't the sons and daughters and granddaughters and grandsons of.
► 01:09:49
Werner von Braun.
► 01:09:50
Of.
► 01:09:51
The best scientists that Hitler could put together.
► 01:09:54
Yeah, the Higgs boson is an elementary particle in the standard model of particle physics.
► 01:09:59
It's the quantum excitation of the Higgs field, a fundamental field of crucial importance to particle physics theory, first suspected to exist in the 1960s.
► 01:10:08
Essentially, it's what would give things mass and create a physical universe.
► 01:10:12
There's, at least that's my understanding of it.
► 01:10:15
I'm no particle physicist, so I can't get into this.
► 01:10:18
Nor have you ever claimed to be, Dan.
► 01:10:19
Not, well, one time.
► 01:10:21
I was drunk at a bar.
► 01:10:22
You were drunk at a bar.
► 01:10:23
There was a lady you were trying to impress.
► 01:10:25
So, the idea is that in these experiments that they've done, they're tampering with reality, and some of the side effects are tearing in the fabric of history, of time, of our memories, and these sorts of things.
► 01:10:38
And that it's all speeding up because there's an end date of 2019 in the experiments that are going on into the Higgs boson field.
► 01:10:49
And what are you writing?
► 01:10:51
A note for myself.
► 01:10:52
Okay.
► 01:10:53
I didn't know if it was something important.
► 01:10:55
I just came up with a wrestling one.
► 01:10:56
So disturbing.
► 01:10:56
I came up with a wrestling one.
► 01:10:57
Okay, we'll talk about that future.
► 01:10:59
That's why I wrote it down.
► 01:11:00
No, no, no, no.
► 01:11:00
I came up with a wrestling Mandela effect.
► 01:11:04
Oh, what's that?
► 01:11:05
Well, there was a tag team in the 80s.
► 01:11:09
Mm hmm.
► 01:11:10
Mike Rotunda.
► 01:11:12
Or Rotundo.
► 01:11:13
I'm glad you brought this up because I'm sorry.
► 01:11:14
And Barry Windham.
► 01:11:15
Okay.
► 01:11:16
Or Barry Windham.
► 01:11:18
Both of these men have had weird spelling.
► 01:11:21
Growing up, you just had.
► 01:11:21
Well, Rotunda is a weird name.
► 01:11:23
Isn't that like a room in a house?
► 01:11:24
This is my Rotunda.
► 01:11:26
I don't know.
► 01:11:26
Okay.
► 01:11:26
That's Bray Wyatt's dad.
► 01:11:27
Oh, shit.
► 01:11:28
Yeah.
► 01:11:30
Okay, go ahead.
► 01:11:31
So, the U.S. Express, Mike Rotunda or Mike Rotundo.
► 01:11:34
Even I'm saying it right now, I'm like Rotunda.
► 01:11:35
I think it's Rotundo.
► 01:11:37
A Rotunda is a building with a circular ground plan, sometimes covered with a dome.
► 01:11:43
Oh, really?
► 01:11:44
Like the Pentagon?
► 01:11:46
Mm hmm.
► 01:11:47
And then Barry Windham.
► 01:11:50
Right.
► 01:11:50
But they got to have an H in it, right?
► 01:11:51
Windham.
► 01:11:52
I just remember seeing all different sorts of spellings.
► 01:11:54
Okay.
► 01:11:56
You nailed it.
► 01:11:58
I'm going to drop my microphone and I'm going to leave your apartment right now.
► 01:12:00
Oh, geez.
► 01:12:01
Oh, sorry.
► 01:12:02
That was my microphone drop.
► 01:12:04
Did that screw up your.
► 01:12:06
I lost sound in one of my ears for a second.
► 01:12:08
That was so powerful a mic drop.
► 01:12:10
So there's a ton of stuff like that.
► 01:12:11
Like even the Lindbergh baby has.
► 01:12:13
So.
► 01:12:14
People think it was spelled with a U, but it's spelled with an E. Lindbergh.
► 01:12:17
Yeah.
► 01:12:17
So.
► 01:12:18
So, people are fucking with these particles, the God particle.
► 01:12:22
And I mean, it might just be Butterfly Effect City.
► 01:12:26
Yes.
► 01:12:27
And I think that that is the only explanation, other than false memories, that makes sense.
► 01:12:33
Is that somehow we're tampering with things that we shouldn't be tampering?
► 01:12:35
Whether it's a future time traveler coming back or the Higgs boson CERN Large Hadron Collider, there's just ripples that have come out from there, and they're screwing up history.
► 01:12:46
I'm going to pitch a horror movie for you.
► 01:12:47
Okay.
► 01:12:48
Give me an elevator pitch.
► 01:12:50
An awful criminal.
► 01:12:51
Yes.
► 01:12:52
One of the worst serial killers in the history of this planet.
► 01:12:56
Let's name him Alex Jones.
► 01:12:58
Like they did in that weird movie.
► 01:12:59
Remember that weird movie where the villain was named Alex Jones?
► 01:13:02
Come on.
Simulation Theory and Consciousness Glitches
00:15:38
► 01:13:03
That's just a fuck with the poor guy.
► 01:13:04
Yeah, there's no doubt.
► 01:13:06
We'll call him Alan Jones.
► 01:13:07
Okay.
► 01:13:07
But I know you mean me.
► 01:13:08
We have documents.
► 01:13:09
So, Alan Jones, one of the worst, most prolific serial killers of our generation, executed.
► 01:13:18
Meanwhile, In Sweden, they're working on this atom smashing bullshit.
► 01:13:24
One night.
► 01:13:25
That might be reductive.
► 01:13:26
One night, power goes out throughout the world.
► 01:13:30
Power comes back on.
► 01:13:32
Butterfly effect.
► 01:13:34
Alan Jones is in his cell again.
► 01:13:35
Whoa.
► 01:13:36
We've already executed him.
► 01:13:38
He served a life sentence.
► 01:13:39
Everybody remembers the execution.
► 01:13:40
Sure.
► 01:13:41
Okay.
► 01:13:41
He served.
► 01:13:42
He was sentenced to death.
► 01:13:43
Does he remember the execution?
► 01:13:45
No.
► 01:13:46
Okay.
► 01:13:46
He was sentenced to death.
► 01:13:49
We have to let him go now.
► 01:13:50
Yeah.
► 01:13:50
I mean, he did serve his.
► 01:13:51
He got his sentence.
► 01:13:52
Yeah.
► 01:13:55
Now, where does it go from there?
► 01:13:56
I don't know.
► 01:13:59
He's just a cool dude and doesn't kill anymore.
► 01:14:00
No.
► 01:14:00
This is sort of like there's a Philip K. Dick book called Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said.
► 01:14:05
And it's about this guy who's a TV presenter.
► 01:14:09
He's like a famous celebrity on television.
► 01:14:11
And he wakes up one day and no one remembers him existing.
► 01:14:16
So, like, no one remembers him as famous, but the show he was on exists.
► 01:14:20
And, like, the woman he was dating, who's also a celebrity, is still a celebrity.
► 01:14:24
And no one believes him when he was like, what?
► 01:14:28
So there's some of that in there.
► 01:14:31
I tend to think that the reason why there is a lot of things sometimes, if I get a little marijuana in me and I'll watch some stuff, I'll just be like, You can't just tell me we invented how to fly to the moon.
► 01:14:48
That someone gave us that technology.
► 01:14:50
Well, of course.
► 01:14:51
We're not that smart.
► 01:14:52
Of course.
► 01:14:52
And that's an episode for a whole other day.
► 01:14:54
How am I just saying that in the computer and the internet?
► 01:14:57
I don't know.
► 01:14:58
How did in 10 years we create essentially a massive web?
► 01:15:02
Well, it wasn't 10 years, maybe 20 years.
► 01:15:05
That's still a short period of time to be able to create this fucking wide internet that you can just do anything with.
► 01:15:10
I just get blown away sometimes when I'm downtown Chicago and I look up and I see a building that's 100 stories high.
► 01:15:14
Yeah.
► 01:15:14
How'd you build that?
► 01:15:15
Who's, who had the balls to think of that?
► 01:15:17
Especially in Chicago where the land is so unstable and shit.
► 01:15:21
Anyway, Marty, what do you think, now that we've had our examination of this, we've had some calls, people backing up the Mandela effect.
► 01:15:27
Yeah.
► 01:15:28
What do you think?
► 01:15:28
Where's your head?
► 01:15:30
Uh, I think that it, uh, this all goes back to I have two series of thoughts.
► 01:15:36
Two theories of thoughts.
► 01:15:38
First theory is we were just dumb little kids who just.
► 01:15:42
And it's kind of one of those things of like, what do you see?
► 01:15:45
Oh, no, it's actually an old woman, not a young woman.
► 01:15:48
One of those things.
► 01:15:48
Those weird visual tricks.
► 01:15:50
Yeah.
► 01:15:51
And I think if we really needed to and got the right people in here, they can go, Dan, here's why you think it's Berenstein bears as a kid, blah, blah.
► 01:15:59
If you had like a memory specialist or something.
► 01:16:01
Yeah.
► 01:16:02
I think we can find out why.
► 01:16:04
But there's also another part of me.
► 01:16:07
The third eye, when it opens up a little bit, it's a little sleepy.
► 01:16:11
He opened, I scratched my third eye a little bit.
► 01:16:13
You poke to your third eye computer?
► 01:16:15
Yeah, I poke my third eye computer.
► 01:16:16
And I think, you know what, as I grow, as I get older, I am not, man, if this is all a Matrix thing.
► 01:16:28
Yeah.
► 01:16:29
Which I believe.
► 01:16:30
I wouldn't be shocked.
► 01:16:32
I do believe that Matrix theory, by the way.
► 01:16:35
I think it's probably accurate.
► 01:16:37
Really?
► 01:16:37
Yeah.
► 01:16:38
Then, It's just based on, in the same way that I believe in aliens because the universe is infinite.
► 01:16:43
Yeah.
► 01:16:44
And if there's infinite space, there's no way we're the only intelligent beings in it.
► 01:16:48
Yeah.
► 01:16:48
Because the odds of that are infinitely small.
► 01:16:50
Here's, and if I'm getting weird, so you got that big giant, uh, condo or apartment building.
► 01:16:54
Yeah.
► 01:16:55
Down the street.
► 01:16:55
Yep.
► 01:16:56
In my mind, sometimes, when I'm really high on this matrix thing, there's literally nothing in there.
► 01:17:03
Oh, oh, oh, the idea that, like, wherever you are is the only thing that exists.
► 01:17:07
But if I.
► 01:17:07
The rest of it is just, like, weird background shading.
► 01:17:10
If I go to that.
► 01:17:11
And open the door, there's some computer guy going, oh, shit, I'm going to make a whole fucking.
► 01:17:16
So now, hold on.
► 01:17:18
You're getting weird on me.
► 01:17:19
Because it's Truman Show ish.
► 01:17:21
Yeah, because now you're thinking that you live in your own personal matrix.
► 01:17:25
I think if this is a thing.
► 01:17:27
Now you're getting into like solipsism.
► 01:17:28
We're all on our own.
► 01:17:30
No, I don't think that.
► 01:17:31
That's crazy.
► 01:17:32
That's crazy to me.
► 01:17:33
I think we're all on our own.
► 01:17:34
So you exist as a figment of my matrix right now, but simultaneously, I exist as a figment of yours.
► 01:17:42
You don't exist.
► 01:17:43
You're just a part of mine.
► 01:17:45
Okay, that creates a really weird psychological dilemma for you.
► 01:17:49
Why have you created me?
► 01:17:51
I didn't.
► 01:17:52
Ask the guy working at the Groupon in the sky.
► 01:17:55
So you'd think that if you have a Matrix, you don't really have control over the circumstances?
► 01:17:59
No.
► 01:18:00
So there's just a guy playing Sims, and it's the Marty edition of Sims.
► 01:18:04
Yep.
► 01:18:04
And he's like, all right, let's introduce a similarly mentally ill gentleman who's into podcasting into Marty's life and see what happens?
► 01:18:13
I tend to think.
► 01:18:15
That you might have been put into my Sims to make me realize maybe there is some Sims going on.
► 01:18:22
Oh, shit.
► 01:18:23
So I'm like a Jesus figure.
► 01:18:25
Maybe.
► 01:18:26
Maybe.
► 01:18:26
A deity of some sort.
► 01:18:27
I like your angle.
► 01:18:28
Thanks, bud.
► 01:18:29
I thought you'd like that.
► 01:18:31
Since I'm in my matrix right now.
► 01:18:33
Yeah.
► 01:18:33
Or am I?
► 01:18:34
See, I don't know if that works that way.
► 01:18:37
So essentially, what you're getting at is an idea of like, if this were a dream, I'm a dream character in your dreams.
► 01:18:44
Yeah.
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And I have awareness, but not the awareness that I'm not real.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Right.
► 01:18:52
I have enough awareness to go about my day and we can have this conversation, but I don't know that I'm a figment.
► 01:18:58
Exactly.
► 01:18:58
Okay.
► 01:18:59
Yeah.
► 01:18:59
This is a little insulting.
► 01:19:01
Listen.
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But what about me?
► 01:19:02
Because right now, I have memories of when you weren't here.
► 01:19:05
I know what I was doing.
► 01:19:06
I drank this Red Bull.
► 01:19:07
Of course you do.
► 01:19:07
I jacked off last night.
► 01:19:09
It was great.
► 01:19:09
These are great programmers.
► 01:19:10
All right.
► 01:19:11
Because I can't have you.
► 01:19:13
That's such complicated programming just for a side character in your.
► 01:19:17
It's really not that big of a deal for them.
► 01:19:19
It's really not that big of a deal for them.
► 01:19:21
All right.
► 01:19:22
So.
► 01:19:24
I don't know why you're taking this so personally.
► 01:19:26
I'm not.
► 01:19:26
I'm trying to get to the bottom of it.
► 01:19:28
Yeah.
► 01:19:28
I'm trying to understand.
► 01:19:29
Would it help if I said, yeah, Dan, in your world, you exist too?
► 01:19:32
But then you are a character.
► 01:19:33
Sure.
► 01:19:34
See, I understand why you would be a character in my world, but I don't understand why I would be a character in your world.
► 01:19:40
I don't understand what you mean.
► 01:19:41
You satisfy something that's really important for me in my world.
► 01:19:45
And you do for me.
► 01:19:47
But I don't see it.
► 01:19:49
I don't see what my importance is.
► 01:19:51
I think.
► 01:19:52
You are like a big brother to me in a lot of ways.
► 01:19:54
Okay.
► 01:19:55
And a big brother who's maybe.
► 01:19:57
I hope David's not listening to this.
► 01:19:59
He's great, and he's very supportive in certain ways, but he's not supportive in ways I need, and in many ways, you fill that role.
► 01:20:07
Okay.
► 01:20:07
Psychologically, you fill a big brother role that I didn't have.
► 01:20:10
Okay.
► 01:20:11
So if I were, like, creating a program, your existence in it makes sense.
► 01:20:15
Okay.
► 01:20:16
Might I say that if it wasn't for you, I'd never even think maybe that my life was a matrix.
► 01:20:22
So perhaps.
► 01:20:23
But possibly I'm confusing you then.
► 01:20:25
You're a thumbnail.
► 01:20:26
Someone put a thumb drive in a thing and they go, I gotta download this Dan Friesen character.
► 01:20:30
You gotta wake Marty up.
► 01:20:31
And I think the OJ thing is the first step in you realizing Oh shit.
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I'm a character.
► 01:20:38
These memories might not even be mine.
► 01:20:40
Ah shit.
► 01:20:41
Yeah.
► 01:20:42
Alright.
► 01:20:42
Well, I do believe we're in a matrix, but your version of it is complicated for a matrix.
► 01:20:46
I threw you for a loop.
► 01:20:47
I threw you for a loop.
► 01:20:48
Well, the idea of individual matrices is confusing.
► 01:20:52
Yeah.
► 01:20:52
And the way you seem to be saying it is that you're the only person who's real.
► 01:20:56
Truman showed me.
► 01:20:58
Yeah, exactly.
► 01:20:59
Truman showed the shit out of you.
► 01:21:00
That to me is narcissistic.
► 01:21:03
At worst.
► 01:21:03
Sure.
► 01:21:04
It's insane at best.
► 01:21:05
Ha ha ha!
► 01:21:07
Uh, Who knows?
► 01:21:09
The idea that everybody has their own computer simulation that they're in and we're all sort of overlapping, that to me is a little bit compelling because consciousness is so weird.
► 01:21:18
Yeah.
► 01:21:19
And that end.
► 01:21:20
I took a stab at it.
► 01:21:21
I don't know.
► 01:21:21
But also, I think if we're going to go with the Matrix, there's one big one and we're all in it, but we're all individual programs running in the Matrix.
► 01:21:28
So what?
► 01:21:29
Or in the simulation as it were.
► 01:21:31
Okay.
► 01:21:31
Because Matrix has such a loaded story.
► 01:21:33
So what makes some people have better lives than others or do things better than others or why is.
► 01:21:42
Why is Justin Bieber Justin Bieber?
► 01:21:44
We can go down to nature and nurture and take that into the computer level.
► 01:21:49
Some people have programming that's more fluid.
► 01:21:53
There are programs that you can run on your computer and they're glitchy as shit.
► 01:21:57
And they're just like, I can't play this game.
► 01:21:59
Do you think mental illness is a glitch in the system?
► 01:22:03
Maybe not a glitch, but it could be if we're using this framework, it's a program.
► 01:22:07
It's a piece of the programming.
► 01:22:09
Think of the idea of somebody who's.
► 01:22:13
You know, on this homeless person on the street talking to somebody.
► 01:22:18
Yeah.
► 01:22:18
Is it like, oh, they're onto something?
► 01:22:20
They've pierced through their glitch.
► 01:22:22
There's a glitch in their system.
► 01:22:24
I would say that there's two possibilities.
► 01:22:26
They're just completely faulty programming that is just running poorly, and, you know, the insanity of the programming is so high that they're unfunctional.
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Or they're street profits.
► 01:22:41
And they, because they've given up on the simulation, essentially, they've given up on life.
► 01:22:47
They somehow have seen through the bullshit, and they're actually talking to the programmers or whatever.
► 01:22:53
Could you imagine?
► 01:22:55
I think we are right now.
► 01:22:56
I mean, if there are programmers, they're listening.
► 01:22:59
Unless they're on lunch.
► 01:23:00
They might be on lunch.
► 01:23:01
Let me ask you this.
► 01:23:01
Yeah.
► 01:23:02
Then we'll move on to our final or whatever you got planned for the end of this.
► 01:23:06
This is the end.
► 01:23:07
No, we've got to talk about the juice a little bit.
► 01:23:09
Well, that's a separate episode.
► 01:23:11
Oh, okay.
► 01:23:14
Would you want one day to wake up to text messages and be like, what the fuck?
► 01:23:23
And be like, turn on MSNBC or CNN.
► 01:23:27
And it's just like.
► 01:23:29
Apparently, there's this matrix thing and we're living in it.
► 01:23:31
Like, it's crazy.
► 01:23:33
I know you're not going to believe this, but check this out.
► 01:23:35
Or would you just want one day, you know, you're 87, you lived a great life, you're in a hospital, and you're hanging on for dear life, and you just say, I can't do this anymore, and then you close your eyes, and then you wake up, and you're just like, What?
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And they're just like, Hey, you did a good job.
► 01:23:51
But here's what's really.
► 01:23:52
I like the second version a lot better.
► 01:23:54
But, like, it wasn't like when Steve Jobs was dying, he was like, This is so beautiful.
► 01:23:58
It's all so beautiful.
► 01:24:00
There's the possibility that he was piercing through the life death veil.
► 01:24:04
Maybe.
► 01:24:05
And so many religions and so many spiritual systems have it built into them that all of this isn't real.
► 01:24:13
Yeah.
► 01:24:13
This is the illusions of the world.
► 01:24:16
And there's a reason for that.
► 01:24:18
There's a reason that that's a compelling thing.
► 01:24:21
I would, as a goof, I would do the opposite of what Steve Jobs did.
► 01:24:24
As I was dying, I'd go, oh my God, the Nazis really did.
► 01:24:28
Guys, don't you think so?
► 01:24:28
I don't know why I'm so Nazi heavy.
► 01:24:30
You're always kind of Nazi heavy.
► 01:24:31
Am I really?
► 01:24:32
Uh,.
► 01:24:32
But that's because they're so involved in everything.
► 01:24:34
I watched a little something before I came here.
► 01:24:36
I think that it would, first of all, just by the very nature of what it is, it's impossible to ever really prove that we're in a matrix or in a simulation.
► 01:24:44
But the evidence has built up that we probably are.
► 01:24:50
Like, there was a scientist, I can't remember his name, he came out and he was talking about studying.
► 01:24:54
Michukaku?
► 01:24:55
No.
► 01:24:55
That guy's a shill.
► 01:24:56
Much like Alex Jones.
► 01:24:57
Two of them suck each other off in their shill shells.
► 01:24:59
Control that position?
► 01:25:00
I don't know.
► 01:25:00
I just think he's kind of a dick.
► 01:25:02
But this guy was talking about studying.
► 01:25:05
The behaviors of subatomic particles and trying to use equations to describe their behaviors.
► 01:25:11
And what he found was that the equations that would describe the behavior of these tiny particles are almost identical to computer code.
► 01:25:20
And essentially, when you get down to the smallest level we can study, it mirrors code.
► 01:25:28
So through reverse engineering, we're figuring out some code.
► 01:25:31
Well, that doesn't prove anything, but it is indicative of something kind of weird that the internet runs in the same way that our reality works.
► 01:25:38
Second, There's a guy named, uh, Nick Bostrom who, uh, did a bunch of, uh, theorizing on stuff.
► 01:25:44
And one of the things that's compelling, in the same way, the universe thing, with the infiniteness of the universe, whatever.
► 01:25:50
His, his premise was essentially that if we give it enough time, us as humans will create simulations of our past.
► 01:25:59
We do this already in small ways with, like, uh, Medal of Honor games, our simulations of battles that actually happened.
► 01:26:07
Yeah.
► 01:26:07
We have a tendency to do that the same way.
► 01:26:08
These are like the hieroglyphics almost of what now is like, Cartoons or movies or whatever.
► 01:26:16
Sims do that too.
► 01:26:17
Like in the Sims games, lots of people try and create real things and real scenarios in the past.
► 01:26:22
They create universes.
► 01:26:23
So, if we keep going down the path and our technology keeps improving and improving, inevitably we will create a fully immersed simulation of the past to try and understand our history.
► 01:26:37
Now, if that happens within the simulation, they will get to a certain point where they'll create a simulation within the simulation.
► 01:26:45
So, once the first simulation happens, it's impossible to tell at what stage of the nesting doll you are because simulations within simulations will happen to the point where There are thousands and millions of simulated universes, and it's infinitely more likely that you're in a simulation than reality.
► 01:27:03
And maybe going back to the Matrix movie with Joey Pants saying, make me not, I don't want to remember any of this.
► 01:27:11
Yeah.
► 01:27:12
I want to be successful, blissful, blah, Ignorant.
► 01:27:17
I think we're in a time or getting close to a time where a lot of people would take that.
► 01:27:23
Yep.
► 01:27:23
They would really take that deal.
► 01:27:25
Yeah.
► 01:27:25
I think.
► 01:27:26
They would say, million bucks.
► 01:27:27
Uh huh.
► 01:27:28
I give Dan, I give Freezing Corp a million dollars.
► 01:27:31
Yeah.
► 01:27:33
You put me out under, you freeze me, whatever.
► 01:27:37
I say, Dan, I want to be the greatest comedian ever to live, and I want to have such a charmed comedy career.
► 01:27:43
Sure.
► 01:27:44
You know, I want to have a show on Seesaw.
► 01:27:46
You want to have a Seesaw?
► 01:27:48
What all the amazing comics have now.
► 01:27:49
Sure.
► 01:27:51
And you just go, okay.
► 01:27:53
Snap the button.
► 01:27:53
Snap the button.
► 01:27:54
Which is not an expression.
► 01:27:55
Nope.
► 01:27:56
I just made it up.
► 01:27:56
That's my button I press.
► 01:27:57
Click.
► 01:27:58
And I click it on.
► 01:27:59
Yeah.
► 01:27:59
I think we're getting closer to that.
► 01:28:01
You would take that deal?
► 01:28:04
Knowing, but then I wouldn't know.
► 01:28:06
Maybe I have taken that deal and I didn't have enough money.
► 01:28:08
I said, just make me a minor note comedian and have a fun podcast.
► 01:28:13
Well, maybe they tried to make you the best comedian in the world, but because of how you're programming, my parents blew it.
► 01:28:20
The computer code that is in your brain is faulty to a certain extent, and you haven't been able to live up to the programmers who tried to put you in this scenario to make you the best comedian in the world.
► 01:28:32
Help.
► 01:28:32
Guys, I'm looking up.
► 01:28:33
Guys, guys, I could use a little fucking help here.
► 01:28:35
I need you to convince me to go back to shows.
► 01:28:39
I need to get back into stand up.
Wrestling with Depression and Stand Up
00:03:58
► 01:28:41
Yeah.
► 01:28:41
Well, Marty, we've drifted away from the Mandela effect, but that's because I think most of it's kind of boring.
► 01:28:46
I think it was limited.
► 01:28:47
Yeah.
► 01:28:48
I think we could do as much as we could.
► 01:28:50
My conclusion, in conclusion, that I would like to say is that Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is always the best, tells me that most of this is faulty memories from childhood.
► 01:29:02
Yeah.
► 01:29:03
And the internet hive mind being an echo chamber.
► 01:29:06
Where people lie a ton.
► 01:29:08
So if someone comes up with a theory and they post it on Reddit, if there's 100 comments in there, 60 or 70 are going to be liars.
► 01:29:15
So there's no proving any of this stuff.
► 01:29:17
And so much of it is based on, like, oh, here's a story from child.
► 01:29:21
And I think so much of it, too, is people going, nope, I know what I remember.
► 01:29:23
And it's like, you were a kid, you might have not remembered this the right way.
► 01:29:26
First hand testimony in court is notoriously unreliable.
► 01:29:30
People have a very difficult time being impartial.
► 01:29:34
So that's what my higher brain tells me that all this is nonsense.
► 01:29:38
Yep.
► 01:29:38
But the Higgs boson thing is very compelling in the sense that we don't know the ramifications of splitting atoms necessarily.
► 01:29:44
A lot of that's pretty crazy.
► 01:29:45
Yeah.
► 01:29:46
So who knows?
► 01:29:47
Maybe it is all like a ripple effect.
► 01:29:49
Maybe.
► 01:29:49
And we'll know in 2019.
► 01:29:51
We will know.
► 01:29:52
But until then, just keep thinking what they want you to think, Dan.
► 01:29:55
Until then.
► 01:29:56
That's what.
► 01:30:09
Baron Stein.
► 01:30:11
Baron Starino.
► 01:30:14
Baron Corbin.
► 01:30:17
The Lone Wolf.
► 01:30:18
The Lone Wolf.
► 01:30:21
So, guys, that brings us to the end of our exploration of Baron Corbin.
► 01:30:26
Marty, people can follow you at Marty DeRosa.
► 01:30:28
They can, Dan, and they can follow you at Dan Friesen.
► 01:30:30
Friesen Point.
► 01:30:31
Not that Dan Friesen.
► 01:30:32
They can follow you at Friesen Point.
► 01:30:33
Yep, and FriesenPoint.com is the website where we have all sorts of fun stuff.
► 01:30:36
We've got a new Friesen Point family podcast coming out this week.
► 01:30:40
It's hot.
► 01:30:40
I've heard all about it.
► 01:30:41
It's, uh, I can, I can spoil it.
► 01:30:44
Do it.
► 01:30:44
We're not going to tell you what we watched, but me and Bobby Buds, friend of the show, uh, hilarious dude, he and I have a new movie review show.
► 01:30:51
Yeah.
► 01:30:51
Called Buds on Film, or maybe a different title.
► 01:30:54
I like Film Buds, but there might be, that might be a, cause I think that might be taken.
► 01:30:57
Well, and also, I think if I do Film Buds, the idea is that you guys were like high and you watched a movie.
► 01:31:02
Yeah.
► 01:31:03
That's what I'm thinking.
► 01:31:04
I wasn't high.
► 01:31:04
So Buds on Film, you guys are buddies, you're watching film.
► 01:31:07
Yeah.
► 01:31:08
I like that.
► 01:31:08
So I got that coming out this week.
► 01:31:09
Look for it.
► 01:31:10
Also, people can check out Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling.
► 01:31:13
Over on the MLW network.
► 01:31:15
You guys have your own feed now.
► 01:31:17
We have our own feed on iTunes.
► 01:31:18
We are, uh.
► 01:31:19
Everyone subscribe.
► 01:31:20
Show them the love.
► 01:31:21
Rate, review, subscribe.
► 01:31:22
Uh, Marty and Sarah love wrestling.
► 01:31:24
Uh, you can always check out wrestling with depression.
► 01:31:26
Mm-hmm.
► 01:31:26
Which I'm on this week.
► 01:31:28
Mm-hmm.
► 01:31:28
Next week.
► 01:31:29
Mm-hmm.
► 01:31:29
I've been banking some apps, baby.
► 01:31:31
Well, you can put me off then.
► 01:31:32
Banking apps.
► 01:31:32
We recorded an episode.
► 01:31:33
Banking apps.
► 01:31:34
That'll be coming out soon.
► 01:31:35
Cash and checks and banking apps.
► 01:31:37
And I want to make this clear.
► 01:31:38
Yeah.
► 01:31:38
If anybody listens to that wrestling with depression and thinks that I don't talk about stuff that's too heavy, go back and listen to the other five times I was on the show.
► 01:31:45
Do you feel like we didn't have a heavy episode?
► 01:31:47
I don't think it was as like revealing as some of the others, but that's just because we've covered so much territory.
► 01:31:52
And also, also, I think we record, we recorded something that you weren't happy with.
► 01:31:57
Yes.
► 01:31:57
And it was interesting too because, uh, I, I have a guest of who, a future guest on and he also has a podcast and we finished wrestling with depression.
► 01:32:04
Then he goes, Hey, can I just record one of my podcasts with you?
► 01:32:07
And I said, yeah.
► 01:32:07
And we were still sitting in the same spots.
► 01:32:09
And I'm like, this still feels like wrestling with depression.
► 01:32:10
Yeah.
► 01:32:11
Yeah.
► 01:32:11
So we recorded a wrestling with depression at freezing point studios.
► 01:32:14
Yeah.
► 01:32:15
And it, it, it didn't feel right.
► 01:32:16
No.
► 01:32:16
And we also had a couple beers.
► 01:32:18
We had some beers on us and stuff.
► 01:32:19
A couple Steve Weiser's.
► 01:32:20
Yeah.
► 01:32:21
Uh, yeah, so, but anyway, the, the one I, we talk a lot about, like, relationship stuff, and it's fine, but, you know, it wasn't, uh, wasn't that good.
► 01:32:29
Stop it.
► 01:32:30
Anyway.
► 01:32:30
It was great.
► 01:32:31
Yeah, it's fun.
► 01:32:32
Look for that in the future.
► 01:32:33
Also, comedians you should know, every Wednesday night, here in Chicago, out in LA.
► 01:32:39
And in New York.
Catching Up for Next Time
00:01:49
► 01:32:40
New York.
► 01:32:40
LA.
► 01:32:40
You guys have taken over the entire, uh, world now.
► 01:32:43
Yeah, we're doing alright.
► 01:32:44
Get one in Beijing next.
► 01:32:46
I'm gonna go to Hong Kong and start one thing, get thrown in jail.
► 01:32:48
Yeah, that's, uuuh.
► 01:32:49
I'll see you on lockup.
► 01:32:51
Marty, this has been a lot of fun.
► 01:32:52
Dan.
► 01:32:53
Pleasure's always been mine, and, uh, anytime we can open people's third eyes, I'm down with it.
► 01:32:58
And, uh, just a message again to you out there voting on Twitter polls.
► 01:33:01
Take it seriously, you dicks.
► 01:33:04
Hey, yeah, just know our, much like Occam's Razor, our first choice, our first choice might be their best one.
► 01:33:10
Yeah, we want to talk about Dracula already, and Flat Earth.
► 01:33:12
Freezin's Razor is vote for the first topic, because that's what Dan probably wants.
► 01:33:16
Yeah, well, we'll get to them all eventually.
► 01:33:18
Yeah.
► 01:33:19
In due time.
► 01:33:19
That's what they want you to think.
► 01:33:21
Uh, guys, thanks for joining us here in the Brain Battle.
► 01:33:24
We'll catch you next time right here in Boomtown, but until then, I have been Boglejub, the White Mystery.
► 01:33:29
Now please get out there and do your job, which of course is loving someone.
► 01:33:32
And to find what the Matrix is all about.
► 01:33:43
That's what they want you to think.
► 01:33:46
Beauty hook didn't happen.
► 01:33:52
What happened to the guy who shot at the theater when the dark night returned?
► 01:34:15
What about this new guy in Dallas?
► 01:34:18
What about his social media presence?
► 01:34:21
I have issues with that.
► 01:34:23
Pokemon Go is a CIA off!
► 01:34:28
Sorry, we'll catch you next time.
► 01:34:29
Yeah.