Sept. 14, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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On a soulless city train in Charlotte, a young woman cried alone, her hands holding her face as she slowly bled out and the life left her body.
It was one of the saddest things I've ever seen.
The only comfort I can find right now is that Irina Zarutska did not actually die alone.
She died with millions across the world watching, holding her heart in their hands as if she were their own child.
I want to thank Kyle Rogers, who is with us right now.
He has been, for so long, was the webmaster for the Council of Conservative Citizens, now National Conservative, and he'll give you that contact information in a moment.
But when you look back over the course of the last quarter century, Keith, and you think about the people who were documenting black on white crimes, you think of, well, who do you think of?
I mean, you think of the Council of Conservative Citizens and you think of Jared Taylor, who we just mentioned.
There were a few others.
I mean, you know, well, look, Kyle Rogers and the Council of Conservative Citizens were synonymous.
He has been toiling in the vineyard for so many years without a lot of acclaim and without getting paid very much.
But he is as responsible as anyone for focusing on the color of crime.
And then even now, even now, when we talk about these things, they're at the forefront there at National Conservative.
And so thank you, Kyle, for that.
I mean, you know, this whole thing going back years ago, the SPLC, the ADL, the establishment media blaming the Council of Conservative Citizens for posting FBI statistics on interracial crime as if it was the motivator for Dylan Roof.
I mean, we've been subjected to that sort of libel and slander forever.
I mean, this should be a moment where you take your due lap around the field.
You've been there, brother.
I mean, this is a vindication of the way you've spent your life over the past 25 years.
Go, Kyle.
Now, here's a few things that most of your audience probably doesn't know about Charlotte.
The guy that killed her has a half-brother that randomly murdered a white man in an unprovoked attack in Charlotte back in 2012.
His name is Stacey DeJon Brown.
He's a half-brother, so he's got a different last name.
But he murdered a 65-year-old white guy in a park named Bob Heim.
That was 2012.
And then the father of these two half-brothers is also a habitual career violent criminal who's in prison.
There's another 19-year-old half-brother that the media's mentioned.
I wonder what his criminal record is already like.
Someone interviewed him and he just says, oh, I can't believe my half-brother was so crazy.
We didn't know, allegedly.
The other big thing about it is, so not only is this guy like a hardcore, habitual violent criminal, a known threat to the public, and this black female judge gave him no cash bail for his last major crime.
Well, earlier this year, just months ago, he repeatedly called 911 to tell him he was crazy.
He kept calling 911 and said he couldn't control himself and someone else was controlling him by remote control.
He said someone tricked him into eating something and was using it to control his body.
Guess what the police did?
The police charged him with misusing 911 and just washed their hands of it.
So, I mean, this guy was publicly warning everyone.
Are you still there?
Yeah.
Yeah, he was telling the world that he was crazy.
Yeah.
And the police said, stop bothering 911 and wrote him a citation for misuse of 911 and just washed their hands of it and said, not our problem.
And then on top of that, there's an outfit called the MacArthur Foundation that recently gave the city of Charlotte a $3.2 million grant for the purpose of reducing the amount of people behind bars.
And if you look at the background, there's all kinds of coded language that is about blacks, that is specifically about reducing the amount of black people behind bars.
So they got the city is receiving money from a nonprofit in exchange for keeping dangerous black people.
Not jobs loose.
Yeah, it's exactly.
See, people, criminals belong in prison.
What is so difficult about that concept?
Well, so the radical left says that they need to be, the criminals should be treated like victims and basically given.
The victims should be treated like criminals.
But, yeah, so all this is just over and over and over.
You've got this whole family of violent criminals, and they're just given free pass after free pass until they finally murder someone.
All right.
So, Kyle, I mean, this was a comment on social media as well this week.
America is dangerous.
It doesn't have to be.
We already know why it is.
We already know who the problem is.
This image, and it's the image that Stephen Miller just posted an hour ago of Irina Zarutska being murdered for no reason other than she was white by this savage, feral black.
I want this man executed, the poster rides, and laws changed immediately.
Why wouldn't we, why do we want our daughters in danger?
I asked this of Jared Taylor, of Peter Brimelo, of others previously in the program tonight.
Do you believe, I mean, Kyle, straight up, with the Council of Conservative Citizens for so many years, unheralded, you documented all of these things.
The National Conservative still has this interracial crime database.
Do you believe that we've reached a turning point?
I mean, you've been doing this work in the vineyards.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, what do you think?
I thought Hurricane Katrina was a turning point.
But then a few months later, everyone just forgot about it and never mentioned it again.
But I can remember when the whole world was just in Hurricane Katrina, Donald Trump wasn't in the Oval Office holding up pictures of George W. Bush and Black Savage and this very beautiful young blonde woman and Stephen Miller.
It does seem, it seems, I could be wrong, but it seems as though things are changing, have changed, are changing.
But again, I mean, you've been in the trenches as long as we have.
You've been doing this work uncredited and, you know, at your own cost as long as we have.
Do you believe that there could be a pivot point that we are approaching or have passed, Kyle, to you, I mean, with regards to interracial crime and with regards to the publicity that this one has received as far as a turning point, I don't know.
I've already seen, I mean, probably since at least the first Trump term, there was somewhat of a turning point in which a lot more people started openly talking about black crime and, you know, started to speak about it honestly, which people had been afraid to.
So it's been like a slow-moving thing for a long time.
And the situation now is you've got the whole world on Twitter, and hardly anyone even looks at websites.
All these, you've got, I mean, your local news stations, if you go to their website without ad-blocking software, so many ads come up, it freezes your computer screen.
I mean, websites are kind of dying, and it's becoming all about social media.
And Twitter is the main big one for news.
So it's like everyone is kind of like on the same.
I get my news from Brad Griffin and Kyle Rogers on Twitter.
Well, you're really on to something here, Kyle, because what's happened is it's a computer.
Computerized information has made the mainstream media obsolete.
And they can no longer be controlled.
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You've suffered from it.
The indignities have been thrust upon you because of it.
But you've always been right.
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We're going to play a clip right now of Charlie Kirk in his own words.
Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.
Now, I don't like generalizations.
Not every Jewish person believes that.
But it is true the Anti-Defamation League was part and parcel with Black Lives Matter.
It is true that some of the largest financiers of left-wing anti-white causes have been Jewish Americans.
They went all in on woke, and it wasn't just ADL.
It was some of the top Jewish organizations in the country that have done that.
In fact, we have seen this with the recent retreat of Jewish donations that are no longer going to be administered to colleges, right?
Mark Rowan, Leon Kofferman.
Can we get that full list?
Very powerful.
The part of the, so that's totally true.
And by the way, Tucker Carlson reinforces this.
So I'm going to kind of, it was quite a day on the internet.
Tucker Carlson was interviewing Candace Owens.
We have Candace Owens coming up next hour.
And Tucker Carlson mentions that Jewish Americans have primarily been financing cultural Marxist ideas.
We said this, by the way, last week, and people came after us.
We were complimented.
We actually said it in a different way.
We said, I'm glad that Jewish Americans are reconsidering their financing of cultural Marxism.
And people misunderstood it intentionally and slandered us as being anti-Semites.
But listen to this.
Tucker Carlson is completely correct by saying this, that the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.
You know, that's just an incredible thing to hear Charlie Kirk say that Ricardo Deshane, our old friend Ricardo Deshane, posted that on Twitter.
We reposted it.
They call him repost now, not retweets.
But that's a remarkable thing for him to have said just days before he died.
And that is not something that was evolving.
I'll flee this time.
Well, I mean, apparently.
I mean, apparently.
But this was not something that was lost to Lou Moore, who was Ron Paul's former presidential campaign manager, also chief of staff in Washington for the, if you don't know who he is, Jack Metcalfe.
For years in Washington, Lou Moore was Jack Metcalfe's chief of staff.
On his most recent podcast, Hour of Decision at LibertyNewsradio.com.
You can find it.
Well, the description reads: Lou Moore joins the conversation about the successful assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Lou reviews the successes of Turning Point USA that made them indispensable to Donald Trump's election triumph last year.
They have also been the most successful student movement to come out of the right in modern times.
Lou speculates about who may have killed Kirk.
And like Butler, Pennsylvania, there was no coverage of rooftops, clearly within sniper range of a huge political target.
It's all take off, Lou.
We're all ears.
Exactly.
Lou, how can you break down that hour in just a few minutes?
But it's great to have you back.
It's great to be back, James Keith.
Thank you.
Well, just going to tell you, there were people at the Ron Paul picnic.
I've talked to them, people who were very close to people around Charlie Kirk.
And he shared with the people close to him that he was concerned that his attacks on organized jewelry in Israel might end up with his life being taken.
Just going to say it straight up.
And Harrison Smith, he won't be the first one.
He has said this.
This is not a secret now.
What?
I said this isn't the first one, and it won't be the last one.
But it seems that as soon as somebody starts stepping into the Jewish question, we have an assassination.
I'm not going to suggest that it wouldn't be the obvious.
And the simplest answer is this homosexual guy who was with a partner who was transitioning into whatever.
That's the simplest, most real answer.
However, might be wrong.
Well, I mean, I'm not going to say that.
What I'm going to say is that he was questioning a lot of these things, and it is very coincidental.
There's no doubt about it.
The timeliness of it all is unreal.
But with regards to that question that you mentioned, Lou, you know, there were a lot of people upset with him about that.
Let me just say this: what happened to JFK once he got on to the Jewish question?
Suddenly, he's a sanctuary.
I don't want to get that way.
I mean, I don't want to get that.
And it can't be discounted either.
Yeah, and I don't want to come on as Mr. Conspiracy here tonight either, but I do find it quite troubling, the timing, the juxtaposition of it.
I do find it troubling.
But I find more troubling, James, the fact that Antifa has been able to run wild across this country for how many years, including through the whole first Trump term, that they are still attacking ICE officers and U.S. Marshals every single night in Portland, Oregon, that they run wild in Seattle.
They put banners over the freeways saying, we are going to kill you when conservatives come to town to speak.
And this is happening all over America.
And I find that more troubling.
And I'm going to tell you right now, you know, Trump is going to be tested here.
Charlie Kirk was one of his closest political allies and was absolutely indispensable to his victory in 2024.
And as I say all the time, you're not for real in politics unless you punish your enemies.
And that starts with the Antifa people on the street and goes all the way up to Soros and these other folks.
And we better see it now out of Trump.
I was about to find out what he's made of.
For the first time, I was about to violate FCC rules.
I was about to say, F-ing A. You're exactly right.
We know where the Antifa thing started, though.
It was at Charlottesville.
Well, I mean, all that's true.
But, I mean, here's the thing.
Yes, I mean, they have to pass this test.
And the test is to go stronger and go harder than the opposition.
I think a lot of this is real.
I mean, this thing with Trump and the murder of the young white Ukrainian on the train in Charlotte, I believe he is genuinely bothered by that.
I saw Kevin, Caroline Levette's press conference.
I think a lot of this is real.
One commenter on Twitter wrote, the entire post-world liberal order is coming crashing down on live time.
Things go slow, then they go fast.
That is the best possible way of looking at this.
But I would ask you this, Lou.
I mean, because again, why are we having Lou Moore on tonight?
Well, there's never a bad reason to have Lou Moore on, but the same reason we had Peter Brimelow and Jerry Taylor and Steve King and Steve Stockman on before and others is this is a man who has been there.
This is a man, Lou Moore, has been in Washington for years as a congressional chief of staff.
He was Ron Paul's campaign manager when he ran for president, one of the most consequential presidential campaigns ever for someone who didn't win.
People say, Lou, that the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk may have also killed the moderate right.
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Totally.
Absolutely.
And not to shamelessly plug my show, James, but I call it hour of decision.
And ladies and gentlemen, this is the hour of decision.
You know, it's not, oh, gee, everything's starting to go great for us.
No, no.
We are in danger.
The communists prowl the land unimpeded.
Up until now, really unimpeded.
We need Palmer raids.
I mean, in 19, what was it, 1919?
They rolled up 4,000 communists in one night.
What the hell are they doing in the Justice Department?
They know where a lot of these people are and they know who are funding them.
And this needs to happen.
And this is, you know, assuming that this, you know, kid down in southern Utah, you know, is the shooter.
I'm not totally sure about that, but I won't go down all those rabbit holes right now either.
But I will tell you that they're a threat regardless.
And, you know, and the celebration, the celebratory thing with Charlie Kirk, it's not enough just to fire a few brainless school teachers that went on TikTok.
We have to go after these people now in a serious way or we're not clearing out 100%.
And, you know, I am not sure the political will is there because we haven't seen it up until now.
And, you know, we've seen nothing but fecklessness out of the FBI.
And we really don't have a new FBI.
We have the same corrupted cleansed of conservative FBI that Obama gave us.
That's who we have.
We haven't seen whole.
Tulsi triumphant.
I mean, I get it.
It's a little bit better, Keith.
I mean, to your point, it's a little bit better.
But to Lou's point, it's not nearly where it needs to be.
And again, why I love Lou Moore?
Well, if anybody's ever talked to him, you would know.
He was there at our conference earlier this year.
But, I mean, he was there in the trenches with Ron Paul when he ran those incredible campaigns for president.
And then before that, with Jack Metcalf.
I mean, as a congressional chief of staff, Lou, I mean, here's where we are now.
And with a minute remaining, where do we need to go?
I asked this of Congressman King and Stockman in the first hour.
If there was a will to power, which was the name of our conversation.
You were in charge.
And if you were the president or if you had the ear of the president, what could they actually do?
Not in some fantasy land, but what could they actually do right now to arrest?
You know, with the RICO statutes alone, they could roll up a ton of these people if they put their mind to doing it, including the people financing them.
And that's where the rub is, James, because these are big people.
These are not more than much more than Soros.
There is a whole web of billionaires that are involved with this.
Let me assure you of that.
I'm not giving you a revelation here.
I mean, anybody that's studied into this knows it.
It's pretty seamless from these violent, vile Antifa people all the way back up to the highest echelons of the left in this country.
And, you know, we need to take this historic opportunity to roll them up.
And they can.
They've got the legal tools.
There's 30,000 FBI agents, for God's sake.
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In the wake of the murder of Salem Radio Network talk host Charlie Kirk earlier this week, U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson asked members of Congress to pause for a moment of silence.
But instead, the House chamber broke out into a profanity-laced shouting match on the Salem Media News program this week on Capitol Hill with Tony Perkins.
Speaker Johnson called for a return to civilty in the House.
Especially at a time like this, after a difficult week in America, we're struggling with the loss of our friend, and everyone's dealing with that raw emotion right now.
The nation is rattled in many ways, and so are the members of Congress.
And I think that probably explains some of the unfortunate things that happened on the Hill this week.
We don't regard the other side as the enemy, and that's the way it should be done, and we've got to get back to that.
President Trump says Charlie Kirk leaves behind a remarkable legacy.
As he mourns the fatal shooting of one of his top political allies, the president said Kirk's impact on conservative politics will carry on.
We miss him greatly, yet I have no doubt that Charlie's voice and the courage he put into the hearts of countless people, especially young people, will live on.
He also announced plans to posthumously award Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which is the nation's highest civilian honor.
Greg Klugston, Washington.
Senator Eric Smith says he believes he understands why blue state and city officials don't want Trump administration help with their obvious crime problems.
The Trump derangement syndrome is strong with these people.
Like they cannot get out of their own way because when Trump wants to do something like fight violent crime or deport criminal illegal aliens, they got to be on the other side of it.
So I think this is why you see their numbers in like the high teens, their approval numbers of the Democrats, because they're just on the wrong side of every issue.
The Missouri Republican made his comment to the Salem radio network.
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I wish we could have had all of these incredible guests on to talk about something more.
I think it's a very fortunate night that we are actually talking about this stuff and seem to have the attention of the body politics.
Well, say it how you will, but we are back now with Brad Griffin.
But before we go to Brad Griffin, we will remind you of Lewemoore.com.
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If you go there, and you should, you will find, well, first of all, a very handsome picture of Lou with Ron Paul, but you'll also find his Hour of Decision podcast where you can find his most recent installment about the Charlie Kirk assassination.
That conversation continues now with Brad Griffin of Occidental Descent.
And Brad, I mean, I don't even know where to start tonight.
I mean, we are, well, we're trying to interweave the murders of Irina Zarutska and Charlie Kirk.
And any one of those events would have dominated a three-hour show in any other week.
But the fact that they both happened in the same week, we are overwhelmed.
But you document it better than just about any of us.
So where do we begin tonight?
You know, the two incidents really just fed into each other.
Everyone was absolutely stirred up and was, you know, dialed up to nine when Zarutska happened for days and days.
Well, not, I mean, I take that back.
Her murder happened in August.
It was only two or three weeks later that everybody was talking about.
It seems as though it happened this week because it was only this week that it came to light as it has.
Yeah, it came to light.
I'm not sure what was going on with the delay there, the process that came to our attention.
But yeah, it was, I mean, I remember distinctly the night or the night before covering it, I kept saying, oh, well, you know, this is the one that's really going to set it off, right?
This is the straw that broke the camel's back.
This is the one that's, you know, got people quoting race realism on Fox News.
And that was all happening.
And, you know, I had that morning when Kirk was assassinated.
I had, you know, I had been arguing with somebody and I connected the dots, you know, talking about, you know, Austin Metcalf and Shallow Hendrix and the people, the couple that was softed, I think, in Cincinnati or in Ohio or somewhere.
And all these incidents were getting a lot of attention.
And then, of course, you know, it was the Zarutska video.
Everyone went nuts.
And I thought that morning, I thought that this morning, you know, what if, you know, what if as bad as this is, you know, something worse could happen that even eclipses this?
I had that distinct thought in my mind that morning.
And then, you know, I had been on Twitter just commenting endlessly on the Zarutska thing.
And I put my phone down.
My brother, of all people, my apolitical brother, text me.
He's like, you hear about Charlie Kirk?
And I'm like, what?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, hey, listen, I got to say, Brad, yes to that.
I can double down on that and testify to that, that people who are near and dear to me, but entirely apolitical, not for, not against, not walking the line.
Yeah.
But this thing with Charlie Kirk has triggered something that I can't even entirely put a finger on the pulse of or I think the combination of the two is awakened America, basically.
Well, I mean, the fact that, I mean, yes, they didn't exactly happen in the same week.
Charlie Kirk obviously was murdered this week.
Irina Zarutska's murder came to light this week, although it was a few days prior to.
But the fact that both of them came this week, do you believe, I've asked this of several guests tonight, do you believe that we are approaching a pivot point as a result of these two things happening almost simultaneously?
Oh, unquestionably.
I mean, I do not think life is going to be the same after this two.
I mean, with the black crime issue, the taboo was crumbling on that, and it completely collapsed with Zaruska's murder.
And before we even got time to process and react to that, Charlie Kirk was assassinated, which, in my view, is a much bigger story.
It's bad.
And then we've also got here in Memphis, we've got Donald Garden in the National Government.
Yeah, that's great.
Thank you for that, Mr. President.
We need the backup.
Too much news to even digest there, but with the Kirk thing, I like to turn to that specifically.
Sure.
The situation with black crime, and even here in Auburn, that same weekend, we had the veterinarian struck down by the lady in the park.
And I think that's easier to process in that the threat is known.
I mean, it's kind of talked about in hushed tones, but everyone knows about it and mostly avoids those situations because everyone really knows.
But talking about it, the change is talking about it, but everybody already knows openly.
But with the Charlie Kirk situation, I mean, what happened was Darusco was, you know, the schizo, homeless, black guy on the train.
Not exactly a new development in American life.
They've been there for decades and decades, you know, slaying fair maidens like her for years.
But the Charlie Kirk situation really just ripped the mask off the transformation of, we kept asking, you know, how is the left going to react when Donald Trump won his second term?
And now we have an answer, right?
They're going to turn to assassinations and violence.
And I think the country, and this has been building for, we had two assassination attempts on Trump.
We had the glorification of Luigi.
There was, I believe there was some employee, well, it was some employees of the Israeli embassy or something that were assassinated people in Qatar.
Now, you know, that seems to stand an operating procedure.
Yeah, but there were some people outside the Israeli embassy in Washington.
Then there was the attack on Shapiro, the governor, firebombed his house.
There was their state left.
There's been a number of incidents.
And I don't think we fully pro Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered like that.
don't think we've fully processed that um that kind of violence is just um how things are now i think we kind of by assassination Well, I mean, this whole thing where, I mean, he was far more to the center than anyone I've ever had on this program.
Yes.
And they still killed him for it.
And this thing where we can debate our differences.
We can come together.
And, well, I mean, all that gets you is a bullet.
I mean, you know, again, that's transformative when you realize that.
Charlie Kirk, yes, yes.
Everybody, listen, I gave a speech.
We had Jared Taylor on earlier tonight.
Kevin DeReal, Peter Brimelow, Paul Kersey.
I gave a talk, and Charlie Kirk was like the embodiment.
He was the example that I used two years ago at Amrin of people who have moved more to our way.
Is it genuine or is it calculated?
Does it even matter?
I mean, these were all questions I raised in that Amerin speech, Brad, that you co-wrote, frankly.
But you were there, and so Charlie Kirk was the example.
But he still got killed for it.
But what's behind him is all of us.
And I so, I mean, again, where does America stand now and where does it go from here?
I mean, that is the topic of the entire.
If you rise to the top of the class, you'll be assassinated.
More importantly.
No one in America was more mainstream right than Charlie Kirk.
And Charlie Kirk was just brutally murdered in front of his wife and two kids for being a fascist.
So, I mean, the convergence of the mainstream, with that, you know, with Charlie Kirk's murder, I think, the convergence of, you know, our sphere and the mainstream right is complete now.
And that the two are like firmly so firmly associated in the mind of our enemies as to be indistinguishable and it's inarguable at this point.
All right.
So, I mean, a final word to you with seconds remaining.
I mean, you know, one person writes 10 to 15 seconds.
That's all the time she had to process everything before passing out from blood loss and shock.
She had enough time for her body to tell her she was going to die and she began to cry.
That can be the face that launches a thousand ships or it could be the face that destroys Western civilization, renders it terminal.
I think that every man, every real man who sees this image falls and feels two things.
Utter helplessness because there's nothing you could do to save her and a primal rage for the creature who did this to her.
Brad, is the future better or worse than it was last week, even under the circumstances that have been thrust upon us, these horrific murders that we would do anything to reverse and wish had not happened.
But what does this say begins to play?
I do think things are beginning to be better and that the ability to deny of how bad things really were has been ended in my view.
I hope you're right.
And that's the first step towards addressing these problems.
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Well, it's been an incredible show, whether it's been incredibly sad or however you, I mean, this has been a difficult show, but we are thankful for everyone who has been a part of it.
Paul Kersey, Stephen King, Steve Stockman, Peter Brenlow, Jared Taylor, Lou Moore, Brad Griffin, Kyle Rogers, and now Kevin Deanna.
His profile at Amrin.com reads very simply, he's a staff writer for American Renaissance.
Well, he's a lot more than that.
He's the host of Identity Politics, a brand new video stream that I've had the honor and so thankfully to have had the honor just a few days ago to talk about Pat Buchanan before all of this unrest, the murders of Irina Zarutska came to light, and of course, just on Wednesday, the murder of Charlie Kirk.
But Kevin Deanna has been around forever.
He is a prolific author in his own right, just as Paul Kersey is, and he's just the tip of the spear on all of this.
America will never be the same.
That has been something, Kevin, that you and Charlie Kirk and Elon Musk and so many others.
Things that we've all fought before, but is that really the truth?
Well, they're all mentioning it now.
Have we reached that pivot point?
Well, if this doesn't do it, I mean, it's hard to say what would.
There's a long history of people in our movement saying, you know, this is the thing.
This is the thing.
This is what's going to do it.
And, of course, nothing ever does it.
I mean, when I was a kid, the thing that I think everybody thought was going to push it to the next level was L.A. riots and O.J. Simpson trial.
And there wasn't really a mass movement that came about as a result of that.
What's changed now, and this gets into the whole debate of whether we should be in the mainstream or not, or how we engage in them, is you're seeing mainstream figures take this up.
It's not really within the elected GOP yet, except, of course, in the Trump administration itself.
I mean, all of these guys are talking the way we would talk 10 years ago.
There's really no distance between the opinions at this point.
Now, you're not seeing it in the Republicans in Congress.
Talk is, of course, one thing.
Action is quite another.
But the idea that the American right is just going to kind of roll over and take it or constantly try to be, we're not like the other side.
We're better than that.
We're not going to fight back.
I mean, I think that rhetoric has just gone for good, especially because Charlie Kirk was just such a non-offensive guy to be cut down the way he was.
I mean, this is not an extremist.
This is not the guy.
He's not someone.
I mean, I don't mean to put it in this way, but he's not someone like us.
He's not someone who talks about race.
He's not someone who's tip of the spear.
I mean, this is the moderate.
This is the guy that people like us criticize for not going far enough.
Let us reason together guy.
Well, he's the guy that wanted to debate things in the public sphere, and he paid the price.
This is as mainstream as it gets.
And to take him out in front of his kids, in front of his wife.
And I think even more than the assassination itself, the reaction from leftists around the country, not marginal people, not anti-FA, whatever, but public school teachers, nurses, professors, employees at major corporations all around the country, people in the Defense Department, somebody in the Secret Service.
These things are all coming out.
And you're seeing an effort to get these people fired.
Of course, it won't be all of them, but I think normal conservatives, maybe for the first time, are really getting it through their head that they are hated and they're going to be hated no matter what we do.
And what you do with that knowledge is up to you.
But one thing you cannot do is just go back to the way things used to be.
Well, it's empowering, basically.
We're having the power now that the left has had over us for years.
It does seem, Kevin, I got to say, it seems like things have changed.
I say all the time, I've been in this a quarter of a century, my entire adult life.
All that youthful naivete has long since left my body.
But I still feel, though, and you tell me, my friend, if I am feeling this unwarrantedly or not, but you write it yourself.
Charlie Kirk was more than a political figure.
He was a husband, a father, a man who built something extraordinary on America's campuses.
He carried himself with such sincerity and courage.
Choosing real debate over cheap theatrics is giving a voice to students who longed for something beyond the leftist orthodoxy.
You praised him for doing the single hardest thing, as you put it, and that is, and as we have strived to do here to the best of our ability, far less success than he enjoyed, but pushing debate forward while staying engaged with allies in government.
That balance is rare and difficult.
Do you think that we've really reached that point where it's all crystallizing for us?
Or is it when all is said and done, more will be said than done?
Well, the hard reality is that if there is not action from the administration, it has to come from the administration.
You have to see anti-fog groups rated.
You have to see RICO cases brought.
There we go.
You know, people in handcuffs.
You got Hassan Piker getting a new column in the New York Times.
Well, not a new column, but a piece in the New York Times today rather than being handcuffed for inciting violence and things like that.
Unless we see some of these people going down, unless we see a crackdown on the left comparable to what happened on the right after Unite the Right in 2017, this will go down as a victory overall for the left because Charlie Kirk is in many ways irreplaceable in terms of the specific niche that he filled.
And TPUSA might get a boost in membership or something, but there's nobody who can engage.
I mean, obviously he was reading stuff to the right of him, and you could see his opinions changing in real time, but he was still able to communicate to normie conservatives.
And there's nobody else doing that right now.
Already you're seeing people say, oh, well, we're going to continue the college tour.
And the guy who's saying that he's going to take up the torch and keep going is Ben Shapiro.
So, I mean, that's not carrying it forward.
That's going backwards.
That's going back to the sale old rhetoric that was pointless 10 years ago.
And I think that moments like this don't come very often.
And to not take advantage of them represents a more significant defeat than even the loss of just one person.
How do you do that?
Well, like I said, I think the administration has to use hard power at this point.
I mean, we talk about this all the time where we say, well, is it metapolitics?
Is it a battle of ideas?
Is it this, that, and the other thing?
At some level, it really just does come to investing the power of the state and using it.
And if the Trump administration doesn't use it right now.
If you have power, you have to use it.
That's the thing, Kevin.
Look at Bolsonaro in Brazil.
He is probably sentenced to jail for decades because, as they say, you don't go fishing in the Rubicon.
You don't go halfway with this kind of stuff.
You got to go hard or not at all.
All right, so go hard or go home.
That's the question.
You're right.
Bolzonaro just sentenced to, I think, 27 years for what they're saying is the same thing Trump did, but with less success and with perhaps not with the will that Trump would have done to Trump if they could have.
That's exactly right.
But here's the thing.
Is this the administration that can see it through?
Because here again, as I say, since the time we first went on the air tonight with Paul Kersey, Stephen Miller has posted this image with no commentary, no words whatsoever.
This image of Irina Zarutzka cowering as she is being murdered by this black savage.
I mean, you know, this is as high as it gets, except for Trump itself.
On his Twitter, he has posted this.
Does this administration have the will to power to see it through, in your opinion, Kevin?
Well, one, while we're on the subject of Miller, Miller has talked quite explicitly about breaking up these left-wing networks.
So if he has sway within the administration, we are going to see it.
Another thing that's happening is you recall, maybe a week or two ago, Gavin Newsome was daring the Trump administration saying, why aren't you sending troops into red states?
Well, it turns out he is about to send troops into red states, including Tennessee.
Thank you.
We're really excited about that.
Yeah, we live here.
We need the backup.
We're in Memphis.
Send him into all places.
Memphis is one of the cities that's going to get it.
So you're going to see more of these things.
You just saw another court ruling where Trump can get rid of the parole for a lot of these illegals that Biden had given.
So the indications are good.
It's just like there are things actually happening.
There are people saying the right things.
The question is, when are we going to see an actual anti-fun network broken up?
When are we going to see the John Brown gun club rated?
When are we going to see the Socialist Rifle Association rated?
When are we going to see various anti-fud groups rated?
And again, we know what this looks like because a lot of people experienced it after Unite the Right 2017.
It's just you need to do the reversal at this point.
I think that there's a debate going on in the administration right now, and I'm sure there are some people saying, no, we have to take the high road.
No, we just need to convict the one person.
You also are seeing this very cynical attempt by the media to say that this guy, this assassin, was a Groyper, that he was actually right-wing.
That seems to have broken down in recent hours as it came out that he was rooming with a transsexual of some kind that he was probably having some sort of a relationship with, if we can use that word for something so disgusting.
But they're going to keep going with it.
And you're seeing this on Twitter without correction, hundreds of thousands of likes for each one of these sorts of posts.
Only the administration can really counter this stuff.
Now, I don't, you know, how does one predict the future with this kind of stuff?
But if you were actually going to see action, if this wasn't just talk, the administration wouldn't have done anything differently over the last 24 hours.
Is secession possible or even good?
What do you think?
How can we live with people like this?
Five seconds on that and then 15 seconds on your contact information.
All right, secession is good if we're not in charge.
Secession is bad if we are in charge.
If we are in charge, I agree.
The weapons may succeed.
Now I want the Trump administration to break their spine with the power of the state.
100%.
I think we should succeed.
1,000%.
They may be up now, but we may be down tomorrow.
Well, I mean, if we're down tomorrow, then we'll revisit the question.
I agree.
100%.
All right, Kevin, give us your contact information.
Where to go?
All right, go to American Renaissance.
All the episodes for identity politics are posted there.
We're also on Rumble and Honesty.
And you can find me on Twitter at VDARECampsCatch.
Hey, we love you, buddy.
Thank you so much for rounding out an incredible broadcast.