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Aug. 3, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Radio Show Hour 1 – 2025/08/02

Venerable attorney Sam Dickson returns to the broadcast to offer his thoughts on Eric Orwoll’s Return to the Land project, the global media attention it has received this week, and the legal challenges that may follow.

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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to tonight's live broadcast.
It's Saturday evening, August the 2nd.
The calendar has turned another page, and without a minute to waste, we've got to jump right into things tonight.
Coming up a little later, we're going to talk about Sidney Sweeney's good genes.
We're going to talk about America's declining support for Israel.
We're going to further examine the stats and figures there.
But getting right to it, first on deck tonight is a conversation that needs to be had.
A conversation about Eric Orwald's Return to the Land project, the global media attention it has received this week and the challenges that may follow.
This is a story, a topic, a matter that I have received more emails about over the course of the last several months than any other single issue that we've covered.
Anything pertaining to Trump, this has trumped that in terms of the number of people who have asked us to give a take on it.
And we're doing so now because this has just burst on to the global media scene as a result of a Sky News.
This is an Australian media outlet, a Sky News video report, sort of a half-hour documentary, I guess you could say.
And it has spawned global headlines.
And so now we will offer our thoughts on this and to help us do so is the Venerable Attorney Sam Dixon, along with our own counsel, Keith Alexander.
Before we bring on the counselors, I would just set the table by saying this.
Return to the Land is a private membership association, a PMA, that establishes white intentional communities.
This has been getting a lot of attention.
For those of you who haven't heard about it, Brad Griffin writes at Occidental Descent.
It's an LLC that exists on 160 acres of private land in the Ozarks near Raven in northwest Arkansas.
This is a very rural, sparsely populated county.
Hard scrabble, rocky terrain.
It has attracted about 40 people so far from around the country who are living there in homes and tents and campers, and they're relying on well water and growing their own food.
The idea is to create a white intentional community that skirts the fair housing laws, so-called fair housing laws, and which can become a model for similar settlements in other states.
Why wait for the ethnostate when you can have one now in such a manner?
As I said, global headlines around the world.
Just to read one excerpt here, the wooded hills outside Raven and neighboring Lawrence County have become the focus of growing concern as reports confirm the development of a whites-only community known as Return to the Land.
Operating under the name Wisdom Woods LLC, the group is building what it calls a parallel society on 160 acres of privately owned land in Sharp County.
Public business filings show the organization's address as listed at 480 Browns Creek Road.
The property currently includes tents, campers, portable buildings, with some residents living in small structures and relying on well water, outhouses, and homegrown food.
The ADL and other civil rights watchdogs are very concerned.
Now, I would say this again before bringing on our esteemed guest.
There is not one, not one black or Jewish fellow in the world who would want to live here, but that will not stop them from trying to ruin it for those who do.
Just a little bit more information, and then we'll toss it over.
Return to the land classes itself is a private membership organization.
This PMA is what they believe keeps it legal, or will keep it legal.
Once the people have been vetted, including with a video interview to confirm their ethnicity, they can buy shares in the Limited Liability Company, or LLC.
These shares translate to acres of land that the members can build on, and they receive generous three-acre lots.
Of course, LLC is a limited liability company.
It's a structure, a business structure that offers its owners or members limited liability protection, meaning their personal assets are generally shielded from business debts and lawsuits.
LLCs also offer pass-through taxation.
I don't want to get out in the tall weeds on this, but there are some benefits for those who would buy into this, or so it would seem.
That means Return to the Land believes that they can, again, skate around the Fair Housing Act, which prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, national organ, familial status, and disability.
So can they?
Will they?
What do we think about this?
Very interesting to say the least.
Sam Dixon, thank you for coming on tonight.
This was an issue I think Taylor made for you and your counsel and expertise.
I'll let you take it away from there.
Well, thank you.
It's an honor to be on, and I greet you and all the listeners, all of us who are engaged in a common enterprise and common ideals.
Let me emphasize, begin with, I have no intent to cause Mr. Orwal or Jared Taylor, who believes in the same solution as Orwall does.
I do not wish to cause them any trouble.
They are my friends and colleagues, and we are all working toward the same goal.
It's just a matter of discussing strategy and which strategy we think is better.
And my thinking is radically different from Jared's and Eric's on this subject.
And I think it has very deep taproots.
And before we get on to the immediate thing, I'd like to point out that one of the problems we as Americans and American racialists have is the fact that people came here voluntarily.
And we are a nation populated of people who ran away from problems.
I am blessed with both southern and New England ancestry.
And my New England ancestors, many of them, came to America in the 1620s to escape the persecution that the Stuart kings were giving to Calvinists in Britain, the Puritans.
And we've always bragged in America that they came here for freedom, which isn't entirely true, but that they came here and they built a country.
And certainly I'm proud of that.
But there were lots of Puritans who did not come here.
And they stayed in England and they had their ears chopped off and their noses chopped off and they were put in the stocks and persecuted.
And they stayed.
They held their turf.
And when the dynasty cracked, when the Civil War in England and Britain broke out, they fought the Stuart dynasty to a standstill.
And they prevented the creation of a type of monarchy in England and Scotland that the English and Scots had never known.
A divine right, autocratic government like existed in France and Spain.
So which set of Puritans was better, the ones who ran away or the ones who held their turf?
And this is a problem for us, and I think that a lot of impulses are genetically determined.
And Americans have this idea that when you have a problem, you move away.
And we see that with the desegregation crisis that came upon us in the 1950s.
People were going to solve the problem by moving one more expressway exit outside and run to the suburbs, and this would solve the problem.
I remember there was a woman in the Cab Republican Party who told people that she was very much opposed to me and my racism.
She and her husband had solved the race problem by moving to Hidden Hill subdivision, which was a subdivision about four miles out of the city, which is now totally black.
Yeah, it wasn't hidden to them.
But anyway, running away from problems is a genetic impulse that we have.
And it's not a good impulse.
It's not something that's calculated to grow a stable, tough society.
The Greeks didn't run away from Greece when the Church conquered them in the 1450s.
And the Spaniards didn't run away from Spain when the Muslims invaded them and took over in the 700s.
The Irish, the Northern Irish, and the Scots-Irish, the Ulster Scots, as we call ourselves now, in Northern Ireland, they didn't run away either.
And when we visited distant cousins there decades ago, they showed us the ethnic division there that had existed for ever since the troubles started around the turn of the last century.
And neither the Roman Catholics nor the Protestants ran away.
They have held their turf, and we need to do that as Americans.
But so that's the origin.
And it's so ironic that the Irish, you know, between the Catholics and the Protestants, now they're being swamped by third world strangers in Ireland.
Well, all of these wars between white people are things that we can no longer afford.
We have ruined ourselves.
And it's true, I'm a loyal Southerner.
I identify as a Southerner.
My ancestors fought for the South and some of them in relatively high positions.
But I'm uncomfortable a lot of times in Southern meetings when we begin talking about how awful the Yankees in the North were and how they were racist.
And you read people like the Kennedy brothers who churned this stuff out.
We cannot afford a fight between Yankees and Southerners in 2025.
We just can't afford these Catholics.
Right.
Protestants and Catholics can't afford this fight anymore.
The English and Scots in Northern Ireland and the Irish Catholics, this family feud is not something that either side can win.
Each side will lose it.
And the same is true of the antagonism of the Anglo-Saxons and Frenchmen, the antagonism between French and Germans, the antagonism between Poles and Germans.
We cannot afford these family quarrels.
Hold on right there, my friend.
I think what we've done this first segment is we've given you a little background, a little bit of the facts, the who, what, where, when, and why about Return to the Land.
When Sam's looked at it from a widescreen angle, we're going to narrow our focus.
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Why don't we say to the government writ large that they have to spend a little bit less?
Anyone ever had less money this year than you had last?
Anyone have a 1% pay cut?
You deal with it.
That's what government needs, a 1% pay cut.
If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief.
But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible.
Who are they?
Republicans.
Who are they?
Democrats.
Who are they?
Virtually the whole body is careless and reckless with your money.
So the money will not be offset by cuts anywhere.
The money will be added to the debt, and there will be a day of reckoning.
What's the day of reckoning?
The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market.
The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar.
When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency.
To join RTTL, you have to sign up to the Private Members Association, or PMA.
There are strict criteria for membership, as Scott Thomas, a board member and one of the founding fathers here, explains.
You have to be a PMA member to live here.
You have to be someone of European heritage.
The group's logo, based on a Nordic rune, draws on that heritage.
It is the PMA that the group believes makes this all legal.
Once members have been vetted on ethnicity and other grounds, they can buy shares in the Limited Liability Company, or LLC.
Those shares translate to acres of land that they can build on.
Peter Serre is the brains behind the legal side of things.
Civil Rights Act is there for a reason, and this is the way around it.
Yeah.
Do you think I survive contact with the legal system, the courts, if it came to that?
Hopefully.
All right, well, that is the question for Sam Dixon, who has a lot of experience as an attorney, as someone who has represented dissidents himself, as someone who has been an observer of the courts and the American so-called justice system.
That's the question.
So I think that the benefits of this for people who would want such an existence to live in such a community is pretty obvious.
You're going to be living away from all of the things that make America so bad.
You're going to be living amongst your people, people who share.
We could sell the reasons for this if you wanted to live in that way.
But will they be able to, Sam?
That's the question.
Now, we know that the state attorney general in Arkansas had said all of the right things.
There's no place for discrimination in Arkansas, so on and so forth.
But he said, as far as we can tell, they're not doing anything illegal.
Will that stop a court challenge?
And will that stop venue shopping?
And will that stop a judge from putting a stop to this?
No, it won't.
And that's another problem I have with it.
It's based upon a very hopelessly optimistic assessment of the American judiciary and our legal system.
And I've spent 50 years in our legal system with reasonable success.
I'm not talking out of sour grapes, but I can tell you, the American, there is no such thing in America as law.
It's a matter of power.
We don't have a system of law.
The judges basically do what they want to do, and they make up their, they decide what they want to do, which is usually what the government wants, and it's what will advance their careers.
And they contrive a way to write an opinion that comes out the way that they want to.
The law does not stop them.
One of the things that puzzles me about people who are my colleagues and comrades in this struggle is the tremendous faith that people have in the judicial system.
It struck me when I was a very young lawyer, and really radical people, much more radical than I was, would come to me and they would want to file lawsuits to invalidate the Panama Canal Treaty or something like that.
They had this idea you could go into court and you could say Abracadabra.
You could have the right little words and you'd say it and the judges would just throw up their hands and the government would throw up its hands.
Oh my God, we've lost.
They said Abracadabra.
They said the right words.
It doesn't work that way.
And we saw things like the incident, the Charlottesville, you know, like the right rally, of this obscenity of what happened there, where these thugs came to prevent the white people from having their meeting.
They liaised and cooperated with the black police chief who instructed the police not to protect us.
And we were attacked.
The media lied about it and turned us into the attackers.
And then the people end up getting sued and financially ruined by these two Jewish lawyers from New York in front of a sympathetic jury and a system judge who did what he could to help them get what they wanted.
And these people were put under a $23 million judgment for conspiring with people they didn't even know.
And they were blamed for the death of Heather Heyer by one of 2,000 people that came to the meeting who ran over her several hours after the government dispersed the rally.
Nobody knew him.
Nobody ever talked to him.
But all this became a pretext for financially ruining people.
This would never be done to the Anti-Defamation League.
You try suing the Anti-Defamation League because some Jew commits a crime and you try considering it.
It would never happen.
They just make the law up as they go along.
And we have no law.
And these people hate us.
And then they hate us and they're not going to let us move away.
The Young, I can't think of his first name.
Oh, for Pete's sake.
Andrew Young.
Andrew Young made a speech to the black students at Morehouse University.
And after summarizing all of the horrors that white people have supposedly done to them, the rapes, the lynching, slavery, murder, racism, Jim Crow, he said, and now the white people think they're going to move away.
We will never let them move away.
We will follow them wherever they go.
And this is one of the funny things.
That's what Jesse Jackson said.
He said, wherever you go, we'll find you.
All right.
So here's the thing, Sam.
So, I mean, again, the worst case scenario would be, well, let's just look at this as practically, but as pragmatically as we can.
And I'm looking at this, and I'm trying to be as honest and as straight as I can be with the audience.
The state attorney general in Arkansas, after this avalanche of media attention in the last week, has basically taken a pass on this.
That's good.
I do not think that the Arkansas state legislature, especially considering how this cultural shift is ongoing somewhat in our favor to varying degrees.
I don't think the Arkansas state legislature is going to go after these people.
I don't think Trump's Department of Justice is going to go after these people.
That does not stop, however, somebody like Roberta Kaplan from filing a suit and shopping it to the most liberal judge they can find in Arkansas.
And that is probably the biggest concern.
Now, I know that they believe that they have it on good authority that they are operating entirely within the bounds of the law, even with all of the anti-white strictures that have been put into the law since the 1960s.
They still believe these people have returned to the law.
I just forget that, James, James, you can just forget that.
That is not going to fly.
I don't care that they've gotten a lawyer to tell them this will work or that they have set up the LLC.
I wish them well.
Like I said, I'm not here to kick sand in Eric's onward laws face.
I've never met him, but I tell him as a comrade and a friend.
But you cannot defeat these people with legal gimmicks.
And this is a legal gimmick.
It is a scheme.
Keithel knows as a lawyer.
There's a rule in law.
You cannot defeat laws with schemes.
I remember there were clients of mine that wanted to get away from having to pay the withholdings tax and the self-employment tax.
I mean, the social security tax on employees.
And they came up with an idea they will make all of their employees independent contractors.
And I told them this is not going to work.
The IRS has handled this before, and this kind of scheme has been recognized for what it is.
And we're dealing with power.
And you cannot defeat power with legal trickery.
It's just not going to work.
Well, let me say this.
I agree with Sam, and I'm maybe even a little more jaundiced than him.
I've seen how the legal system changes from a city that is majority white to when it becomes majority black and you start getting a black judiciary.
We have a law library up in the Memphis courthouse, the old Memphis courthouse.
And every day it is chalk-blocked full of people like the ones that Sam described earlier that think there's some type of alchemy involved here and it's a matter of finding the right case or the right argument or something and you can do the hocus pocus and get your way.
It's not that way.
It gets down to some things as fundamental as race.
You know, you're not going to, the law is, you know, if you're looking for the law to bail you out in a situation like this, you are on a fool's errand.
What you need to do is come up with the best plan you can and try to stay as far off the radar of the legal system as possible.
Well, I actually just got a message in from a listener who says, I live in an all-white organic community and we didn't have to move to Arkansas.
Well, and I get it.
There are parallel communities that are operating, well, just sort of de facto there.
I mean, you can move to areas that are all white and are mostly white.
They do exist.
James and I were talking about that.
Not for long.
You cannot do it for long.
My father came from Pickens County, South Carolina, which is the whitest county in South Carolina.
It's up flush against North Carolina and Georgia.
We went up there in about 1972, and there were these Asians everywhere, ugly, squatty, pigmoid, aliens, Asians.
And I asked people up there, what are these people doing here?
And Richard Nixon, the Republican, had arranged things so when the boat people were coming here from Vietnam, the government researched counties to find out what were the whitest counties around and set out to break them by settling the Hmongs in South Carolina in the whitest county in the state.
Now, the Hmongs didn't stay there.
There wasn't sufficient welfare.
They went up to places like Maine and Minnesota, Minnesota, where they could get more welfare.
But the intent of the government, we're talking 53 years ago, and a liberal Republican like Richard Nixon, the deliberate, well-thought-out intent of the government was to crush white people.
And that is still the government's intent.
We have to understand these people hate us.
These people want to see us dead.
They want to see our race exterminated.
That's really what they're doing.
Basically, isn't it?
Yeah, we need to understand.
All right, hold on right there, gentlemen.
We are talking about the practicality of the return to the land project, which I am by default in favor for, but we are looking at it, the pros, the cons, the practical challenges, the things that may face the people who live there.
We will continue to do that right after this.
Stay tuned.
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A lot of this is reaction to left-wing identity politics, critical race theory, and movements like Black Lives Matter.
And fundamentally, this is identity politics, but white identity politics.
And what they're building here is a safe space for people of European ancestry.
I have no problem with any of that.
I think it's not a bad idea at all if you want to live in a community like that that's entirely off the grid.
And, well, I mean, Keith, you were talking about the fact that, you know, certainly you're not going to be putting your hands on the levers of power living in a place like this, but if you want to raise your kids away from the horrors of diversity.
Okay, let me just say this, though, about where this place is.
If you're not familiar, I'm very familiar with the exact location of this compound or community because my wife and I have driven through it many times.
When we were first married, we would take trips pretty regularly every summer to, or at least once a year, I should say, to Spring River to canoe the Spring River in Arkansas.
It's a beautiful river right past Raven where this is.
Sharp County, Arkansas, is right on the border of Missouri.
It's in the Ozarks.
The demographics of the county where Return to the Land is situated is 97% white, 0% black, and a population of about 15,000 in the entire county.
Now, again, Sam, this goes back to best case, worst case scenarios.
The best case scenario is that, as I said before, I don't really see the state legislature going after them.
The attorney general there in Arkansas has already pretty much said they're not doing anything illegal.
I don't think Trump's going to go after them.
That's not going to stop the Jewish attorneys from filing a lawsuit, and that's what happened in Charlottesville.
The best case scenario, though, is you get 100 people, 200 people, 200 people in a county of 15,000.
Best case scenario, you certainly take over the town of Raven, population 320.
You certainly could probably impact a county mayor, maybe a county sheriff, maybe a state representative.
That's going to be the extent of your power, and that's the best case scenario, assuming the lawsuits don't come.
Now, here's the thing, Sam.
Will the lawsuits come?
They have not come yet.
Do you anticipate that?
And I will say this before he answers, folks.
Sam is not always right.
He's only mostly always right.
Jared Taylor did win a lawsuit in Tennessee to continue to hold the American Renaissance conferences at Montgomery Bell State Park without paying the security fees.
Although I remember, and I'll never forget it, for as long as I live, we were in Dallas.
Sam and I were in Dallas at a meeting in Dallas.
And this was when I decided to move forward.
The attorney that represented me was actually at that meeting as well to move forward in the libel lawsuit.
And Sam said, you know, he just told me, I'm not going to win.
I said, Sam, this is the letter of the law.
I can't lose.
He said, okay, we'll find out.
And certainly we did.
And that was another textbook example, though trivial compared to some of the other examples.
It was a textbook example of just judicial malpractice.
And so do you anticipate a lawsuit to be filed?
If so, by who?
It could be sent filed by any number of people.
You could have a black guy, a Jew, who applies to come into the LLC, and he's rejected because he's black and Jewish.
He could file a civil rights suit.
They could be a conspiracy suit.
They could rig something up.
They could have someone go there and provoke someone into slugging him, and then they could sue them off a conspiracy to physically attack blacks, Jewish people like they did at Charlottesville.
And then, of course, and I know you and I differ about this, but I think it's inevitable that in 2028, we're going to have a left-wing Democrat as president.
And Trump is the last Republican president we'll probably ever see.
And once they get any kind of Democrat in there, the Justice Department is going to come after them.
They do not want any white refuge.
They came to Georgia.
And one of the odd things about these two rival races of blacks and Jews who are among those contending with us for mastery within the territory bounds of the United States is the minute they find out they're not wanted somewhere, by God, that's where they want to go.
They found out there's a club that doesn't want them, they want the, you, you and I were there.
He needs to set up this enclave in Greenland, and then I see if they can get all the blacks moved in.
Well, you and I, you and I, you and I were there.
All three of us and our listeners were reared in families where what did our mothers tell us?
My mother and my grandmother told me, if you're not welcome somewhere, don't go there.
And that's the rule.
If I find out people don't like me somewhere, I don't go there.
But that's not the way our enemies are.
And they will try to get in there.
They went after Forsyth County, Georgia, which is another sundown county like you're talking about.
And they had Brotherhood Mars.
They went and marched there.
And the FBI and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation led the people on the buses into the middle of a white rally to keep the society white to try to gin up some way to arrest people and sue people.
It's a long story.
We don't have time to go into it.
But that's what they did after Fersai County.
And like Andrew Young said, they're going to follow us wherever.
We are in the situation that people were in Turkey and in Asia Minor before World War I. There were three nations living there, Armenians, Greeks, and Turks.
And they could not live together.
And one group was going to emerge triumphant.
Unfortunately for us, it was the Turks.
And it was our fellow Christians and fellow Europeans that ended up being wiped out into genocides.
But we cannot live in this multiracial society.
And I can sympathize with the people who are buying at this compound.
They've got wives and children to worry about.
And that's a real practical worry.
You've got to have a safe place for your kids.
But as a long time strategy, the strategy of running away is not a viable strategy.
It's only a viable strategy in one respect, though, Sam, and that's that if you want to have political power, it's a very unviable strategy.
On the other hand, if you want to just be left alone like Greta Garbo, like the Amish, they can do it.
This guy, all he had to do to have a successful white enclave is to do exactly everything he did except for contacting Amran or contacting the news media and whatnot and giving interviews.
Well, again, I don't want to cast aspersions on this.
It's not a bad idea.
Listen, I mean, you are buying your children a generation, assuming you're not going to be able to do it.
You're buying them five or ten years.
You're buying them five or ten years at tremendous cost.
But I'm reading a novel now about a guy going to India, during the British Raj is in place.
And they're attacked by pirates.
And the first thing that the ship does, the captain does, is he sends the women and children into the hull below where they'll be safe.
And that's a practical matter.
But a long-range strategy, revolution, it will not work.
Revolutions are won in cities.
Revolutions are won by splitting elites.
And the runaway strategy has failed so dramatically.
Back in the 50s and 60s and 70s, Robert Welsh of John Burg Society advised all of his followers that, oh, if you're a Roman Catholic, you need to get out of the cathedral and you need to find some little group of Latin mass Catholics that are meeting at a holiday inn.
If you're a Protestant, you need to get out of the mainline churches and find yourself a tabernacle, a Bible-oriented tabernacle.
That's just nonsense.
That was terrible advice.
And Dr. Pierce had a similar advice.
You need to go.
The communists never did that.
They went into the mainline churches.
And like I was saying during the break, my letter of membership as a Presbyterian is in the first Presbyterian Church of Atlanta, Atlanta's number one social church and the number one Presbyterian parish.
And that's where we need to be.
What I was going to say, Sam, is this.
We need to, you know, we don't need to have a lot of white people taking themselves out of the picture by becoming the new Amish like these people.
What I think we need to do is we need to get people through affirmative action lawsuits getting access to Ivy League colleges, universities, professional schools, so that we can fight for control of the government.
This is what I think, you know, that's we forget that we're, you know, the largest ethnic group in America, white Gentiles, and we should be able to get control based on sheer numbers.
Well, but the difference is, of course, as everyone knows, it's pretty obvious and transparent.
We don't tribe up.
Well, the thing is, we need to, well, we have the laws now.
We could bring a suit.
I could bring a suit if I could find somebody.
The courts are the enemy's turf.
It doesn't matter that you have the law on your side.
The courts are going to rule against us.
The courts are the enemy's instrument.
Well, what Trump is doing is not taking that for granted.
For example, he's knocked out PBS, NPR, and things like this.
That's all very nice.
I'm in complete agreement.
I've enjoyed listening to the wailing last week on NPR about the losing funding.
But the fact is that demographics are against us.
And they use the courts.
Well, that's one way of looking at it, Sam.
But in another way, demographics are for us.
We are the largest ethnic group.
Well, the demographics are the same.
We're filling up with Jewish power and influence, which is the most formidable enemy that anybody could ever have.
Well, demographics are such that America cannot survive.
The reason we have a chance is our enemies can't control themselves.
And they will provoke things and run things down to where we'll have a chance.
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Racial discrimination has no place in Arkansas or anywhere in a free society.
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My office is reviewing the matter.
Well, so that was the news from Tim Griffin's office, that is the Attorney General in the state of Arkansas, a week ago.
Since then, he has said they have looked into it, and they are not doing anything illegal.
Now, again, we've established that.
I don't think the state of Arkansas is going to go after them.
That is not going to stop this from being a lawsuit being filed in a court.
I think you're absolutely wrong about that.
I think you're wrong about that.
I think they'll change their minds.
Oh, yeah, I think they'll change their minds.
I've seen this in Georgia.
You know, Republican officials in Georgia are capable of really shocking things when it comes to the issue of race.
We have our governor who ordered the National Guard when he called it out during the Black Lives Matter rallies when for seven or eight nights, black mobs invaded the white area of North Atlanta.
And he instructed the National Guard to make no arrests and not to interfere with the arsonists and looters.
That's what the tough-on-crime Republican governor did here in Georgia.
Georgia is not available.
No, Georgia's not our job, but it's still, everything is heading that way.
And certainly, just because this particular AG, Attorney General, at this moment says he won't do anything, this does not mean that this legal scheme that has been worked up by the lawyers is going to find a way for people to exempt themselves from the Fair Housing Act.
Let me weigh in on this if I could.
I think that under Trump, it's unlikely that the federal government is going to get involved.
But then, like you said, Trump is a three-year shelf life there.
They will get involved.
But on the other hand, Jewish power and influence is always ready, willing, and able to jump in.
There's a Roberta Kaplan behind every bush.
They can get people like that to bring suits and to shop at the to the best point.
See, that's the thing, Sam.
And that's the thing really is that regardless of what this AG does, let's just say I happen to be right and he doesn't go after it.
It's not going to stop a lawsuit being filed in a district.
They're not going to bring it in Sharp County, but they're liable to bring it in Little Rock, which has a majority black population.
See, there are all sorts of shenanigans they can pull, and they could, and they probably will.
The best thing they could have done is just keep quiet about what they're doing.
And this goes back to something what Sam said earlier.
Sam and I have had along with our friend Jared Taylor a very long chain of emails over the course of the last week discussing this.
Great discussion.
Jared writes, Everett the Optimist, I think that it may be possible that the carefully thought-out legal structure may make this invulnerable to the Fair Housing Act provisions.
Obviously, Sam disagrees with that.
Of course, I hope Jared's right, but the bottom line is this, folks, and where do you stand?
If this matter does eventually go to court, which I think you would have to say is likely, imagine being a judge, Sam, who has to decide between ruling in favor of Eric Orwald or ruling in favor of the ADL or the global media establishment or whoever else on their side that has taken an active interest in this case.
Yeah, the judges are interested in promoting themselves, and they get their paycheck from the government.
And they will know how to hand it up.
And I see this all the time.
We don't have time in the remaining segment to talk about the legal things I have seen.
But I have seen things that shocked me.
I was never a gullible kid, even in law school.
Nothing, though, prepared me for what I found when I started representing genuine dissidents in American courts.
There just is no law.
Judges want to be promoted, and these federal judges, in particular, all these district court judges want to be circuit court judges, and the circuit court judges want to be Supreme Court judges.
And the government is a good person.
And they don't want to go to jail as a result of FBI or IRS audits.
They don't want that.
Years ago, there was a judge in Alabama that ruled against Morris Dees on the case.
Oh, wow.
I think his name was Asher.
And he ruled what had happened is that Dees and the Justice Department hatched a plan, a scheme, sort of like what Eric has done.
Only their team was working.
And that was that the Southern Poverty Law Center would go take depositions and they could ask people's questions without giving Miranda warnings.
And so the judge said, well, this is a scheme, and you were funding for the Justice Department, and you didn't give the Miranda warning, so these depositions can't come into evidence in this case.
And so they went up to the, I think it was in the Fifth Circuit, and they said, oh, yes, it can come in.
And by the way, Judge Asher will never be henceforth.
We ordered that Judge Asher never hear any case involving Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
And then the IRS let it be known that they were auditing Judge Asher.
And that word got out to the judges that this, you do not get out of line.
You're going to do what we tell you to do.
Well, I tell you, you go all the way back to the Brown versus Topeka Board of Education.
We know now that Felix Frankfurter on the court was having illegal ex parte meetings with Thurgood Marshall about the case.
This was the same thing.
With a guy named Sanley Ellman, who was a lawyer, was a Jewish guy, and he was working for the U.S. Solicitor General's office on the other side with Thurgood Marshall.
Yeah, let's just hold it.
You had other things.
They rigged the evidence in the case.
There was this false evidence introduced.
And the liberals write about this today, and they're happy about it.
That's another fact that we have to understand about what we're facing.
I said, these people hate us.
And we cannot go back to the Constitution for many reasons.
But one of them is to have a Constitution, you have to have a population where everybody is in agreement that they will obey the Constitution and they will respect the rights of other people.
Our enemies, the people that voted for Kamala Harris, they do not believe in the Constitution.
These are people in New York who voted to make Letitia James their attorney general, who ran on a platform telling the Democrats, I'm going to use my position to go after conservatives.
Hooray!
Yay, that's what we want.
They all went and sold.
Who's the great guardian of the Constitution now in the Supreme Court?
Katanji Brown Jackson.
All right, but I mean, it has nothing at all to do with, she's not going to defend the Constitution.
All right, one second, gentlemen.
Except for the Supreme Court's actually been ruling fairly decently on what has come.
But I don't want to get on that.
We've got a couple of minutes remaining.
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Sam, it's been all over the news, as I said.
I had been receiving the steady drumbeat, and then we started just getting a lot of emails daily this week coming in as a result of the Sky News interview.
This has become a global media story just in the last seven days since our show last Saturday.
Although people have been talking about it, it is the talk of the so-called movement.
It is in many quarters the toast of it.
People thinking about moving there, in your honest opinion, and trying to be as positive as possible, but also being realistic and wanting to give them fatherly advice.
People looking into this, what would you say?
Looking at a programme.
It will provide a short-term way of protecting your kids.
And it will last about five years.
And like all of the schemes to run away, to move up the highway, to engage in a white flight, as opposed to what we were saying about the Greeks and the Spaniards and the Irish and Northern Irish in Ireland and Ulster, it is not going to work.
You have to have people that are willing to hold their territory.
And there's no faith in the courts.
The courts will not follow the law.
Our enemies don't want to follow the law.
They want to get us.
And then we have to think as revolutionaries.
We are flying under the black flag.
All flags are against us in this country.
One thing I could add to that is this.
Diversity is our greatest enemy.
Diversity on the bench, diversity in the legislature, everything else is what dooms us to lose these things.
Well, we've got some comments coming in for you, Sam.
That's actually not the first thing, Keith.
The first thing is the lack of loyalty and community feeling.
It's the fact that whites in America consist of 150 million chickens that have been separated from the flock.
And this individual, they already were genetically too individualistic when they came here.
But everything is really valid.
Looking out for number one, as one of the libertarian books said, you're not a member of a community.
You're looking out for number one.
And so it's a war of all against all.
And unless whites restore a sense of identity, of loyalty, unless those who betray us are ostracized the way that it was done in Reconstruction, as my grandmother explained to me, unless traitors are given the good old-fashioned Anglo-Saxon cold shoulder and their children and wives get it too.
There's no hope.
We have to begin at home.
Sam, just some quick comments as the music begins to play.
Sam is great.
This comes from a listener in East Tennessee, young lady in East Tennessee.
Sam is great, our multi-generational strategy of running away has never worked.
Power is fought for in the cities.
You can't organize in the suburbs and the Amish don't vie for power.
Sam is great.
Well, I can't deny any of that.
And I know I speak for Sam Dixon and Keith Ann Alexander and certainly myself when I say we are rooting for what is best for our people.
Having an open and candid and frank discussion about the merits of this particular project is something that we should be doing.
And I know we all say that in the hopes that we're not going to be able to program on Gandhi-type ways that you can resist, nonviolent ways to resist.
We should have another function.
We will do that.
Thank you, Sam Dixon.
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