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Oct. 20, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show

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Secret Service Discovers HUNTING STAND Aimed At Trump, No Kings Protests FLOP

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tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What is up, Rumblers?
		What is up, Patriots?
		This is Tate Brown here for a Patriot Power Hour holding it down for Tim Pool today.
		We got a great show for you.
		We're here taking you into the afternoon of the Rumble morning lineup.
		So we're here.
		Obviously, everyone's talking about it.
		It was the No Kings protest.
		America stood against fascism or whatever.
		Looked like a senior home.
		Like the world's, you know, we've heard like Trump talking about with Latin America, they're emptying their prisons into America.
		This really felt like they emptied the senior homes into America.
		There was adult diapers everywhere.
		It was really a traumatic thing to see.
		You hate to see it.
		But yeah, I don't know.
		Maybe we should reopen the senior homes.
		We don't have enough senior homes.
		I don't know what's going on.
		So we're going to take a deep dive into the No Kings protests.
		There was some action, obviously.
unidentified		Oh, sorry.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I ran up some stairs before I came live.
		So I'm trying to catch my breath.
		But yeah, yeah, yeah.
		But so insanity, obviously leftists.
		It shouldn't surprise us anymore, but there was some real nastiness going on.
		There was a, I'll say a porky individual who was gesturing in a very offensive way regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
		And they may have found this lady already.
		We got, you know, it's like old school 4chan.
		They find these people right away.
		So it's pretty insane.
		So we're going to take a deep dive into that.
		And we will be joined by the great Will Chamberlain to discuss this further at the half hour mark.
		So we'll bring him in to break that down.
		Sorry, yeah, I'm like, damn, I'm out of shape, man.
		I got to start.
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		I need maybe some Field of Greens maybe might be my play.
		We also have a crazy story out of Florida.
		Secret Service found a hunting stand pretty much right by where Trump would debark off of Air Force One.
		Absolute insanity.
		The temperature in this country is at an all-time hot and it doesn't seem to be going down anytime soon.
		If we have time, we'll get to the government shutdown.
		We're like 20 days into the government shutdown.
		No one's talking about it.
		Like you probably remember from the first one, it was all over the news.
		It was, you know, every politico was sinking their teeth into it.
		This one, everyone's kind of just chilling.
		You know, it's actually kind of a great time.
		A lot of, if you're in the DC area, it's pretty empty right now.
		It's actually kind of nice.
		There's not much traffic, all the furloughed employees.
		So we'll get into that if we have time.
		I also have a video near the end of a gentleman.
		I won't get into it just in case we can't get to it.
		But anyway, I digress.
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	No Kings.
unidentified		No Kings.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is really a seminal moment if you're 80 years old.
		This is from NPR.
		Three takeaways from Saturday's No Kings nationwide protest.
		Now, honestly, you may have just missed this.
		It was kind of a slow news day, slow news day today.
		And this is like, you might have just missed this.
		I mean, this would have been a big deal again in the first term, but like there's so much going on these days as far as temperature, as far as intensity, that like a bunch of elderly people mobilizing, I don't know, it just doesn't have the same punch anymore.
		They've kind of lost their aura.
		This is no different.
		So you'd be remiss if you missed the No Kings protest.
		I don't blame you because they really didn't do much.
		They just kind of stood around and held signs up and just kind of like tried to see how offensive they could get.
		It was really gay.
		So we're going to get into this.
		This is from NPR.
		I think I finally caught my breath five minutes.
		And that is a wake-up call.
		That is a huge wake-up call.
		There's this one lady in my replies that's always saying, like, oh, you look, you look like you need to exercise more.
		Honestly, she's right.
		Geez.
		But yeah, with that, anyway, I digress.
		Let's read.
		We'll read here.
		One of the biggest days of protest against the Trump administration's policies happened on Saturday in cities around the U.S. The overriding theme of the marches was the accusation that President Trump is behaving more like a monarch than an elected official, which would be kind of based, but he's not doing that.
		It marked the second massive wave of protests organized by No Kings, a network of progressive organizations fighting against Trump's agenda.
		Where have we heard that before?
		Organizers said about 2,600 No Kings events were planned across nearly every state and that it projected a bigger turnout than the 5 million it said attended the previous nationwide action in June.
		And look, they even stood and made shapes like a marching band, like a high school marching band, really probably brought the Trump administration to its knees.
		Oh my gosh, liberals in San Francisco are mad?
		Oh no, what are we going to do?
		Energized by a slew of actions taken by the administration since the summer protests, the group cited widespread immigration detentions carried out by often masked ICE agents, the administration's aggressive slashing of federal education resources, and environmental protections, gerrymandering, and other concerns.
		And then here's NPR's recap.
		Keep in mind, this is on the taxpayer's dime, this hard-hitting journalism here.
		So we'll see what they have to say.
		We'll see what their analysis was of No Kings.
		They kind of take a victory lap and they have to pretend like they're non-partisan, but yeah, they're super excited about it.
		So first up, United in protests to quote, protect America.
		Protesters showed up to oppose a wide range of issues, including the administration's immigration tactics and its push for federal and military intervention and democratic-led states as a way to tackle crime.
		The diversity of concerns was strung together by the broader message of democracy, constitutional rights, and the freedom the U.S. was founded on.
		Right, like illegal immigration was really near and dear to the founders' hearts.
		They wanted the world's masses to flood into the country.
		This is obviously clear because of one of the first lines of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, where they're quite specific who these rights and whatever apply to.
		So yeah, obviously they had Indian migration on the mind.
		With that, in Washington, D.C., demonstrators filled Pennsylvania Avenue near the U.S. Capitol, many holding signs that read, no kings, no tyrants.
		Many people wore yellow, a color organizers said is to show unity.
		And as you can see here, look, this has been the big problem with these left-wing protests is it's like an optics nightmare.
		I mean, we all remember the LA riots earlier this year where it was like, looked like, you know, Cinco de Maya or whatever.
		And they've had this problem.
		So they've recently, in these circles, they've been trying to like basically beg these people to use more American-coded, patriotic-coded sort of assets when they're protesting.
		And so I will say, I was, I was in DC.
		I witnessed the No Kings rally.
		I was on the ground.
		And I will say, you know, there was a lot of American flags, but it was very old.
		And this is not really a surprise.
		It was very old.
		And this is the most gratuitous.
		This is me being gratuitous.
		The most non-biased, gratuitous estimation I would give was about 66% of attendees were of retirement age.
		That would be the most gratuitous estimate I could give.
		I could, you know, I could get really punchy.
		He goes, oh, no, I'll say there was, there were some, but they were nowhere near the majority.
		It was mostly older people.
		And the older people, they grew up in the Vietnam era, the Vietnam War era.
	That was kind of like, that's kind of where their mind's frozen.
	So they're kind of used to using sort of American props when they're, you know, pushing their leftist garbage.
	And so it wasn't as hard of a sell, but what's funny is, and you would have seen it if you're in DC, they still couldn't help themselves.
	There's still these massive Palestine flags.
	There was a smattering of Mexican nationalist protesters who were like screaming La Raza or whatever.
	Total.
	So, I mean, like, there was still some optical problems, but generally they came out with these American flags and they LARPed like they cared about our founding or whatever.
	Like this sign right here is just LARP City right here.
	Loving America with no kings for 250 years.
	So they do this thing where like they at best didn't condemn in the summer of love when they were tearing down these statues of our founding fathers.
	But then when it's convenient for them, they all of a sudden turn into these American, these lovers of American history with their 250 years of freedom.
	But no, we all remember them toppling statues.
	And beyond that, anything associated with our founding, they just hate instinctually.
	Like Columbus Day was last week, right?
	Like we're not idiots.
	We saw people on the left's reaction to Columbus Day.
	First of all, they're trying to retcon it and rebrand it as Indigenous Peoples Day, which is really funny.
	But no, they hate Columbus because Columbus ultimately, like, we wouldn't be here without Columbus, right?
	Like, you know, everyone has all the, you know, their ankle biting.
	They're taking all these shots at him or whatever.
	But everyone can agree, we wouldn't be here without Columbus.
	Maybe they still would have, obviously they still would have found the new world at some point, but he was the guy.
	He was the guy that found the new world.
	And yeah, who knows how history would have shaken out if it weren't him that discovered the new world.
	So yeah, anything associated with their founding, they hate.
	They tear down Columbus statues.
	You know, they hate anything associated with the Confederacy.
	And it's like, okay, whatever your interpretation of the Civil War is, that is a intrinsic part of our history, right?
	Those statues do mean something.
	And they hate it.
	So they really only appeal to our sort of early American history whenever they're trying to make a political point.
	And this is no different.
	So you have these signs here, and it's so gay.
	Loving American No Kings for 250 years.
	I mean, you could go, I could get really autistic about the sort of ethos that was driving American independence.
	Like they didn't even really have as much of an axe to grind with the King of England as they did with Parliament.
	They were upset that their rights as Englishmen weren't being extended to them.
	That's a whole, that's, you know, that's a whole thing for another time.
	But even then, so they're not even like completely accurate, but it's just, it's just LARPing.
	Like everyone can see through it because these people would be the first people to condemn Thomas Jefferson or George Washington.
	They'd be the first people to do it.
	Their entire interpretation of American history is like public school textbooks and like the Hamilton musical.
	That's like their entire frame of reference when it comes to American history.
	So total disaster.
	And look, I was on the ground again.
	Like it was actually fairly peaceful, at least the DC one.
	It didn't have any problems.
	It's because it's mostly elderly people.
	You're not really going to get any problems when it's the elderly.
	Even if they wanted to riot, they don't have the physical capability to do so.
	If anything, the largest threat was the canes everywhere.
	And again, the port-a-potties were quite, you know, it was tough to get in because they had to change the adult diapers out.
	And so there was a huge line for that and the catheters and everything.
	It was a whole thing.
	There's tennis balls everywhere.
	So cans of insure everywhere.
	I mean, you might actually, you know, slip on a can of insure.
	It could be a, it could be a problem.
	Senator Bernie Sanders was there.
	Everyone's favorite geriatric old freak.
	He was there.
	He's Bernie Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, addressed DC protesters and remarks, slamming tech billionaires who he said have become richer and more powerful since Trump became president.
	Sanders singled out Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and other multi-billionaires who were sitting right behind Trump when he was inaugurated.
	Obviously, the Democrat Party is infamous for never courting billionaires.
	So, no, I'm just kidding.
	Obviously, that's sarcastic.
	On the West Coast and San Pablo, California, Maria Floriano attended a no kings event with immigration on her mind.
	I'm sure it was.
	Wearing a hat and shirt decorated with butterflies, she compared immigration to butterflies and said, Migration is beautiful and an act of courage.
unidentified		Wow.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I mean, look, when you walk through the Bronx in New York City, a very place that's undergone a lot of demographic churn over the last 20 to 30 years, you do.
		You just see butterflies.
		When you hear like reg, like, what do they call it?
		The Dominican music.
		When you hear that blasting, you know, you see like trash everywhere, like nothing's in English.
		Everyone looks like they want to hurt you.
		What you hear is butter.
		These are butterflies.
		These are just, these are lovely little butterflies.
		It's so courageous that they would come to this country and like live on welfare.
		So courageous.
		I don't know how they do it.
		So anyway, the second point that NPR really wanted us to really wanted to emphasize was the Trump administration and Republican lawmakers weighing in.
		Here's what they wrote up.
		House Speaker Mike Johnson slammed Saturday's protest as a quote, hate America rally.
		True, fact check true.
		And other Republicans have derided the event as anti-American.
		Responding to NPR's questions about the protest, White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson said, quote, who cares?
		Very true.
		Who does care?
		I don't even know.
		Like I said earlier, maybe you missed this protest.
		It wasn't even like, you know, groundbreaking in any way.
		Trump was not at the White House during the protest, but on a visit to the Mar-a-Lago Resort in Florida.
		So they couldn't even get that right.
		These protesters, like he was out of town.
		And then the third point that they wanted to make, peaceful protesting with song and dance.
		This was like the most bizarre part of the whole thing was they're trying this strategy.
		You can see here, they wear these, like, I saw a lot of this.
		They wear these inflatables and they play like, you know, like gay music and dance or whatever.
		It's like this whole thing.
		And I guess, and this was in Memphis, Tennessee, actually, that's funny.
		They're trying to like soften their image, I guess, because like, you know, people are really souring on Antifa and political violence.
		So this is their attempt to try and like sneak these really erosive ideas kind of through as like through the veneer of these like funny Pokemon or whatever this thing is.
		It's just, it's just we it just comes off as just weird.
		Like the first thing you think is like furries.
		That's really what comes to mind.
		But obviously Portland is where you first started seeing this.
		Look, it just sucks.
		This is really what it comes down to.
		We saw a lot of this in DC and elsewhere in the country.
		There was a lot of these signs as well.
		Is comparing MAGA, so comparing half the country ultimately to the Nazis.
		These will be the same people that would like claim they condemn the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
		But, and this is like, you know, we're beating a dead horse here, but contrasting like normal patriotic Americans to Nazis gives people the license to do terrible things to them because of the way, you know, fairly and the way that the media fairly has portrayed the Nazis.
		What is what?
		How could you make this sign and then pretend like you're the one lowering the temperature?
		How can you carry this sign and then claim that Republicans are the ones raising the temperature?
		It's absolutely ridiculous.
		So with that, look, we had a few incidents, obviously.
		First, I want to play Trump.
		This was his thoughts on the No Kings protest.
		He weighed in.
unidentified		So let's listen here to the President of the United States, what he had to say.
		It looks like it was.
		We're checking it out.
		The demonstrations were very small, very ineffective.
		And the people were whacked out.
		When you look at those people, those are not representative of the people of our country.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So true.
		They were whacked out.
		That is very true, Mr. President.
		Yeah, like this is just an increasingly small proportion of the population.
		It's these baby boomers primarily who still think they're in the Vietnam War.
		They still think that this boogeyman they're attacking is like in play, I suppose.
		I mean, because they grew up in a, you know, obviously a much more charged time.
		And yeah, they just LARP.
		They just LARP.
		They suck.
		And they're, yeah, they're not representative.
		They're an increasingly small proportion of the population because they're dying of old age.
		That's why, again, very old protest.
		Young people aren't really interested in these sorts of things.
		The young people that are leftists just try to kill you.
		They're very atomized.
		So that's neither here nor there.
		Here's some photos from the protest.
		This was via libs of TikTok.
		Photos from Denver's No Kings protest.
		Charlie Kirk had it coming.
		Make assassinations great again.
		Horrible, horrible stuff.
		And this is what everyone's been talking about.
		And we're going to ask Will Chamberlain about this later.
		Obviously, I don't want to speculate on who this is.
		You know, some people claim they have found her.
		They're claiming she's a teacher.
		Again, until I, obviously, we need like a proper confirmation.
		But this is a really grim video.
		And this kind of just epitomizes the state of the left.
		This is very, very common in these leftist activist circles.
		So obviously, as you can see there, it's very obvious what she's doing.
		She is mocking Charlie Kirk.
		She is holding a Mexican flag.
		Go figure.
		Jack Pesobic provided the commentary here, but the group chat.
		That is absolutely correct.
		He's referring to the political article last week that everyone was pearl clutching over about a bunch of young people telling edgy jokes in a group chat and everyone lost their minds.
		Meanwhile, this is like, it's really hard to get fired up about a group chat when this is like an actual average person that's doing this in public.
		They're not afraid.
		They're not afraid of any consequences.
		They hate you and they want to kill you and they want to make sure you know it.
		So really grim stuff.
		Benny Johnson here provided some commentary.
		Here we go.
		The so-called no kings protest wasn't a protest.
		It was a coordinated and corruptly, corruptly funded mass call for political murder.
		This is true, like I said earlier, with this sign.
		That's what they're making room for.
		That's what they're trying to clear the runway for.
		The crowd was filled with left-wing extremists openly calling for murder of President Trump and the celebration or celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
		When these people show you who they really are, believe them.
		He's describing a few of the people that we saw.
		I'll read here.
		A man dressed as Charlie's assassin.
		That was this gentleman right here.
		A woman reenacting the moment.
		Charlie was shot in the neck.
		That was the video we just watched of the gravity challenged individual.
		A protester saying, quote, I am glad Hitler is dead when asked about Charlie.
		The crowd singing Bella Chow, the same phrase engraved on bullets used by Charlie's assassin.
		Signs mocking Trump and Erica's journeys or injuries, which heals faster, Trump's ear or Erica's heart.
		This was a sign here by this horrible human being.
	A billboard honoring Charlie destroyed and covered with, quote, smash fascism.
	This wasn't free speech.
	This was a display of pure hatred and a call to murder.
	These people are dangerous and their threats must be taken seriously.
	The left can no longer pretend this is normal politics.
	It is political terrorism.
	So even at this mass rally that was supposed to be like, you know, the left saying this was uniting the American people, it was just filled with just these despicable, despicable people who ultimately hate half the country and at best wouldn't really care if something happened to you.
	So just total, total disaster.
	No kings.
	It was low energy to begin with.
	I mean, there's a reason why it's not even really being, you know, the Trump administration is surely not afraid of anything that happened yesterday or rather Saturday.
	And then, yeah, you just have this just smattering.
	And until we break political, until we break this leftist political sort of apparatus, you're going to keep getting this because these people just aren't afraid.
	These people really aren't afraid.
	That's ultimately what this comes down to.
	So with that, I keep going along in the first story as it happens.
	We're going to get into this second story here from CNN.
	Secret Service finds, quote, suspicious hunting stand near Air Force One landing zone in Florida.
	Let's read here.
	The U.S. Secret Service found a quote suspicious hunting stand within sight of the Air Force One landing zone ahead of the president's arrival in Florida over the weekend.
	Cash Patel said, adding, no one was at the stand.
	Prior to the president's return to West Palm Beach, the Secret Service discovered what appeared to be an elevated hunting stand within the sight line of the Air Force One landing zone.
	One senior law official told CNN the hunting stand was found across from the airport based on the condition of the stand.
	The source said it had been there for some time.
	Hunters regularly set up and leave stands like the one found by law enforcement to use again.
	These stands are often used by bow hunters, especially in dense wooded areas and can be used by individuals hunting with firearms as well.
	There is nothing that currently indicates the stand was built to target the president, the source said.
	And obviously, look, here is the location of the hunting stand.
	It's in this dense urban area.
	There's a bit of a smattering of woods here.
	This is where the hunting stand was with a direct shot across this highway to Air Force One.
	It's one of those things.
	It's like, look, you know, CNN is saying it's been there.
	But with the environment that we're in, look, it's really, this is really hard to believe.
	This is just a coincidence.
	Wright Angle News here obviously has the photo and they provided this commentary that this is within a established no discharge and no hunting FAA safety zone.
	Obviously, if you go to the airport, you're not going to see much hunting going on there.
	It is not really a thing.
	And like I said earlier, it's a strange coincidence that there's another threat on the president's life.
	There's already been two, and there's probably much more that we aren't privy to.
	So yeah, it's kind of hard to believe.
	And if you know hunters, I mean, I have a lot of hunters in my family.
	They're very disciplined about, generally, they're very disciplined about property lines, restrictions, the seasons, this sort of thing.
	So it's very hard to believe that a hunting stand would be just set up in the middle of this complex.
	So very, very alarming stuff.
	And it is created by this environment.
	It has created the sort of threats against the president is created by this environment where it's just a continuation of just nonsense.
	And so, yeah, with that, the story is still developing.
	Obviously, we'll hopefully get some more information on it.
	But I wanted to put up Neal's desks.
	This is very alarming.
	And my hunch says that no, the airport area is not a frequent spot for hunters.
	So with that, I have another article here.
	Well, maybe from Polit.
	No.
	I guess I don't have this article from Politico regarding the government shutdown.
	I don't know what happened there.
	They want me to put my email in and my employer.
	What the?
	What are we doing here?
	Are they signing me up for the draft?
	Are you kidding me?
	A side note, someone signed my email up for like a premium subscription to the free press.
	That is, you know, we get some like crazy threats.
	That's the craziest thing that's happened.
	Signing me up for the free press.
	Yeah, just like, I don't know, just send a threat next time like a normal person.
	What?
	That's terrible.
	That's the meanest thing anyone's ever done to me is sign me up for the free press.
	Despicable behavior.
	Some of you guys are sick.
	You guys are some sick people out there.
	Anyway, from the Associated Press, this is discussing the government shutdown.
	Again, we're 20 days.
	This is the 20th.
	So we're 20 days into the government shutdown here.
	The military got paid.
	So the military was paid already.
	This really is another story.
	It's like there's so much going on that no one even really cares about the government shutdown.
	I don't even think the government really cares about the government shutdown.
	You know, the AP, they came in here and they explained kind of what we could start seeing as time goes on.
	Furloughs and firings.
	Obviously, there's 2.3 million civilian employees as of March 31st.
	The Congressional Budget Office estimated that about 750,000 of those employees would be furloughed each day during a shutdown.
	Obviously, the 1.3 million active duty service members got a temporary reprieve.
	They were looking at missing a paycheck on Wednesday, but Trump directed the Pentagon to redirect money.
	A second reprieve looks unlikely.
	I don't know.
	I'm hearing that they have the funds for it.
	They will be able to get it done.
	But we will see.
	Everyone else that's furloughed is obviously not going to get paid during this period.
	And traditionally, they receive back pay.
	It's not a problem.
	Spoke to a few congressional staffers that are a bit worried.
	They're saying that there's actually a possibility that they won't receive back pay.
	But we'll have to see.
	But yeah, if we read here, they break down some of the impacts of, gosh, what is with all these pop-ups?
	Jeez, Louise.
	Some of the potential impacts of the shutdown.
	Obviously, we have the economic impact.
	One estimate from Oxford Economics said a shutdown reduces economic growth by 0.1 to 0.2 percentage points per week.
	Shutdown that lasts the entire quarter, which has never occurred, would reduce growth for those three months by 1.2 to 2.4 percentage points.
	So obviously, if you're in Wall Street, you're panicking.
	But if you're like an average American, doesn't really do much for you.
	Obviously, the travel economy is expected to lose a billion a week as travelers change plans to visit national parks, historic sites in the nation's capital, where many facilities such as the Smithsonian and National Zoo are now closed to visitors.
	Oh, the horror.
	Oh, the horror.
	Actually, you know, I mean, it sucks, but what are you going to do?
	Chamber of Commerce noted the Small Business Administration supports loans totaling about $860 million a week for 1,600 small businesses.
	Those programs close to new loans during the shutdown.
	The FAA has had air controller shortages.
	So the FAA air controllers are going to receive back pay.
	But since they're not being paid to work, they're calling in sick.
	This happens every shutdown.
	So there has been delays.
	I know a few people that have flown in the last few days and they said, yeah, it's a little rough.
	You have a political fallout.
	Again, six in 10 U.S. adults say Trump and Republicans have a great deal or quite a bit of responsibility, while 54% said the same about Democrats.
	So the American people are kind of just blaming both parties, which is, you know, whatever.
	We're in a gridlock.
	This all started because the Democrats wanted to provide, they wanted to provide funding for healthcare for illegal immigrants.
	So AP didn't really do a good job of here of explaining why we should be so anxious to let the Democrats off the hook here.
	Because generally with shutdowns, the way it works is the party demanding something or the party bargaining for something typically is blamed for the shutdown.
	The last one was over border wall funding and Republicans ended up sort of being blamed and the political zeitgeist.
	So I don't know the Democrats really control the Democrats can end this whenever they want.
	For the most part, they just have to drop this ridiculousness where they want to provide this for illegal immigrants.
	And yeah, the Republicans are kind of content just to trudge ahead.
	They got the military paid.
	That was the big hurdle.
	And yeah, so I don't expect this to wind down anytime soon.
	I've seen some estimates that this can continue through Thanksgiving.
	I actually spoke to a member of Congress recently in the last few days.
	I can't say which one, but he did confirm that he suspects that this will last until Thanksgiving.
	So this could be the longest government shutdown we've seen.
	And it's like backpage news.
	It's backpage news because the news cycle has been ridiculous.
	So with that, we are running a little low on time.
	So we're going to move into our interview portion with Will Chamberlain.
	That interview, if you're missing it, will be up here on Rumble and it'll also be on the Culture War channel on YouTube.
	We're going to break down the No Kings protest and see what Mehdi Hassan had to say on stage.
	I don't know why they gave that guy a mic, but thank you very much for watching if you have made it this far.
	And we will be joined by Will Chamberlain.
	And be back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
	I've been your host, Tate Brown.
	You can follow me on X on Instagram at RealTate Brown.
	And with that, thank you very much for watching.
	And yeah, let's get into that interview.
	So first, I want to show what Mehdi Hassan had to say, the great Mehdi Hassan.
	He was speaking at the No Kings protest in DC.
	And here's what he had to say.
unidentified		And you know, they say we don't reach out to the other side.
		We don't reach out to conservatives or Republicans.
		That we're in an echo chamber.
		Well, let me say to every Republican and conservative watching, aren't you the ones who said no more big government?
		No tyranny in America?
		Ooh.
		So if you believe that, what are you doing defending masked federal agents in unmarked cars, bundling people off of the streets, including American citizens, and disappearing them?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, wow.
		We're enforcing immigration law.
		And this is totally in the face of our founding principles, according to Indian journalist Mehdi Hassan, which is true.
		He's Indian.
		They tried to community note this, or they're proposing a community note.
		Mehdi Hassan is Indian.
		He says it himself.
		That's neither here nor there.
		So yeah, this has bent them out of shape.
		I want to bring Will Chamberlain in.
		So we're going to get that set up here.
		He has some strong feelings on Mehdi Hassan and his comments regarding ICE.
		And so we're going to get that fired up here.
		Let's see.
		Boom.
		Start.
		And let's see here.
		Hey, Will, can you hear me?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Hey, how's it going?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		How's it going, man?
		Well, look, people here are probably quite familiar.
		You've obviously friend of the show.
		But maybe for the people that don't know, could you give a quick introduction, who you are, what you do?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I'm senior counsel with the Internet Accountability Project, which I do legal and political advocacy.
		We try and fight to get judges confirmed, get key bills passed that touch on the courts.
		And then I'm also vice president of external affairs at the Edmund Burke Foundation, where I help organize and put together the national conservatism conferences.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Sweet.
		Good stuff.
		Well, so earlier in the show, we were, and you've probably seen this clip, we were discussing this clip of this lady.
		I'll say she's kind of gravity challenged, I think would be a gratuitous explanation for her situation.
		And she was gesturing to her neck, obviously mocking the death of Charlie Kirk.
		And we saw this.
		We saw, you know, a lot of rhetoric surrounding Kirk and this No Kings protests over the weekend.
		And then I just played a clip from Mehdi Hassan, who basically did nothing to lower the temperature.
		He was saying that Republicans were, I think he said, like, you know, blackbagging immigrants off the street.
		And like, you know, he was calling Republicans hypocrites, saying, oh, you guys are supposed to be against big government, but you're enforcing immigration law.
		It's so evil.
		What is your take on this no king?
		What is going on?
		Why can these people not get out of their own way?
		And why are they so incessant on cranking up the temperature?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Well, no kings is kind of this weird phenomenon.
		It's, in a sense, the last gasp of boomer liberalism, the Woodstock generation, the people who've, you know, built their lives and don't have a lot of meaning outside of these protests.
		And so that's why when you go to these protests, they're a very distinct audience from the and very different from the Antifa types or the pro-Palestine protest types.
		That's a much younger audience.
		This is the older liberals.
		And, you know, you can start with that said, there's obviously other people on the left in there who are crazy, like this woman who decided it was wise to start mocking Charlie Kirk's assassination.
		I really don't have much time for people who do that.
		I'm very aggressive about the idea that there should be absolutely no tolerance for assassination celebration in this country.
		And I've talked about this with Tim before on one of these shows because you just game it out.
		If you normalize assassinations, you end up with the Spanish Civil War, something equivalent to that in the United States.
		So I have no time for that.
		The endless hyperbole from people like Madi Hassan about the actions of ICE.
		And, you know, there's this straw man, like the idea that the modern Republican Party is necessarily a small government party.
		That's not, Donald Trump isn't that.
		He's never been that.
		He's always promised robust government action to deal with the problems he identified.
		One of them is immigration.
		And it's the most basic function of a country to enforce its laws and to ensure that the people coming in are productive and helpful.
		That's what he's doing.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, Mehdi Hassan specifically is so egregious because he himself is an immigrant.
		So he's obviously going to be quite biased.
		One thing I pointed out, it was Tim Cast News.
		We captured this clip and we identified him as Indian journalist Mehdi Hassan because that's how he identified.
		We pulled up a, it was like a Facebook post where he was saying, like, you know, I'm a son of India or whatever.
		And then it got community noted and they were like, he's British.
		Again, that's neither here nor there.
		Why is someone like Mehdi Hassan not denaturalized and deported at this point?
		Because he's cranking up the temperature to such a degree.
		I'm like, why is this guy even still here?
		I mean, I know it's kind of a side note, but I wanted to ask you.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's, I think, I think Mehdi should self-deport back to Britain.
		I think he'd be much happier in a country that aligns with his Islamist values.
		That's the United Kingdom.
		And I think that's where he should be.
		There's nothing American about Madi Hassan beyond his paperwork.
		That's the thing to understand about him.
		He's so, his politics are deeply alien to this country.
		They're familiar in Britain, which does have this Islamist, so both an Islamist tradition and a socialist tradition, which is how he might describe himself, a Muslim socialist.
		But it's totally alien to our country.
		And so the way he talks about America and the critiques he levels are just so, you know, they're jarring and they're there.
		And it's just strange that a person who believes these things would be, you could take seriously that they meant it when they were taking the oath of naturalization, which regards, you know, withdrawing all these allegiances.
		So, you know, I obviously target with Madhy would denaturalize and deport pretty often.
		The logistics of that are fairly complicated and probably wouldn't be able to work.
		But I think it's still, it's useful rhetoric in the same way that C's the endowments was useful rhetoric.
		We're trying to express that this person is not one of us.
		He's not part of the American experiment.
		And he's not, what his views don't reflect anything that Americans should take seriously.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And it's worth the shot.
		Look, if ICE wants to debutize me, I'll try.
		I'll see what I can do.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		But it's just the phenomenon of recently naturalized immigrants suddenly running for office and telling everybody how the country should work.
		It's Mamdani is another example of how he finally bothered to grab American citizenship five years ago, and now he's going to run the city of New York.
		Really?
		I mean, there's an underlying arrogance to that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		That's remarkable.
		You know, you just got here.
		Maybe don't think you should be running the place.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, totally.
		Well, and this is what I want to drill down on.
		We had a prominent Twitter poster, The Captive Dreamer.
		He was on the show, I think, would have been two weeks ago now or a week and a half ago.
		And we kind of drilled down on this.
		And I noticed this when I was, I was on the ground at the No Kings protest in DC.
		It was mostly a fact-finding mission.
		I love the elderly.
		So I was actually, this was like community service, court ordered, unfortunately.
		But anyway, I digress.
		The most the issue that charged them the most was ICE and the deportations and the mass deportations.
		What specifically is it about ICE that animates the left to like above everything, it seems even more than like abortion, like ICE specifically seems to really really grind their gears.
		I don't know.
		Maybe you maybe you can drill down on this.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		There's not much left animating the original boomer liberal in terms of a political project or a policy idea that they're trying to put forward.
		Remember, they got Obamacare and they're not for universal health care, generally speaking.
		Some of them are, but they're not, they're not for full socialism.
		So the boomer liberal wants kind of like, you know, government assistance, something along the lines of Obamacare.
		But Obamacare is not working.
		The Iran deal is a failure.
		You know, the entire Obama presidency, when you look back, looks really, really bad.
		It looks just no, every signature bill or signature initiative of his either is irrelevant now because it got overtaken by events or failed miserably.
		So that leaves the boomer liberal kind of like afloat, adrift, not really knowing what to be advocating for.
		And then it becomes a movement that just becomes obsessed with its own power.
		And ICE is targeted at the path of the Democratic power of the liberals because it's supporting their voters.
		And I think that's as simple as that.
		I think it's a recognition from older progressives that their project is going to come to an end unless they can replace and replenish their voter base with immigrants.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I think these old heads should just hang out with their grandkids.
		I think that's what they should be doing instead of like many of them don't have many.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And if they do, they don't have very good relationships with them.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's that's very true.
		Well, and this kind of tracks, you know, the boomers, I think, are oftentimes boogeymanned a little bit in the political zeitgeist.
		But I do think the reality that they weren't really conscious, or if they were, they were malicious about the future impacts of the policies they advocated for.
		And it's really screwed over a lot of younger people.
		I think there is some truth there.
		And the mass migration kind of seems to be the epitome of that.
		It's like it benefited them for like five years because they got cheap labor out of it.
		And if they were a Democrat, obviously it bolstered their voting numbers.
		But they don't really seem to be concerned about the impact of mass migration on young people, which has been detrimental.
		I mean, they're crowded out of universities, you know, finding a job is impossible.
		Everything, everything just like sucks now.
		And a lot of that is attributable to this mass migration project.
		So that's what's so strange to see that.
		It's not strange.
		It's just, it's what's interesting to see this slavish devotion to this mass migration project by the boomers because it's just screwing over the next generation so blatantly.
		It's indefensible.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Sure, but it's, I mean, if you're a retired homeowner, there's, if you're just looking out for your own interests, it's hard to see what the downside is of mass migration.
		You're hanging out of your home.
		You need a lot of help in terms of services, human services, right?
		You're getting to the point where, you know, maybe you're maybe you're in assisted living or something like that.
		You know, so the lower wage, you know, the less, the cheaper it is to get into assisted living because of lower wage labor available.
		That's good.
		Increased competition for housing means that the value of your home continues to go up and up and up and up.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So there's a lot and more.
		That's also another reason.
		This is something I'm not sure who pointed out.
		Maybe Peter Teal pointed this out, that even crime actually ends up helping the boomer liberal.
		The fewer places that are livable in your city, the higher the housing values are in the place that are livable.
		So all of these dynamics that President Trump is fighting for that are really that hurt the quality of life of younger people trying to start families, younger people trying to raise young children.
		And so they're weight.
		So it's about wages and safety and quality of life and reduced competition for, you know, the downsides of immigration.
		It's younger people who feel those pains most acutely, but elderly boomers might just be thinking, well, you know, well, who's who's going to mow my lawn?
		Right.
		And how much more am I going to have to pay for that?
		Who's who's going to take care of me at the nursing home?
		Because obviously my grandkids won't.
		So it's, you know, you have an interesting generational war.
		And we have to remember the boomers are the largest generation.
		They've been, they've had political power for such a long time.
		You look at it, people of that age outside of Obama, it's been boomer president since Bill Clinton, basically.
		You know, I think an interesting thing that people may have not realized is I think Clinton, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump were all born in the exact same year.
		And that's 24 years of presidency by people born in 1946.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		The first baby boom year.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Like there's, there's, that's not a coincidence.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
		Yeah.
		Well, that's a good point.
		I didn't even think about that with the crowding out, like crime, basically clearing out parts of the city.
		Because like I'm from Memphis, there's like five blocks left that you can live on.
		Like it's a total war zone.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And those and where you can live in Memphis, I'm sure ain't the cheapest, even though, and it's especially not cheap relative to the sort of salaries that normal middle class to upper middle class people are going to be able to get in Memphis.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And Kevlar is expensive.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I'm sure it is.
		That's true everywhere where there's, there's a city where there's major crime issues is that the cost of you almost see you see a consistent theme where it's, there are both major crime issues in the inner city.
		And then the cost of living outside the city and in reasonably well-located suburbs is just enormous.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So this may be kind of more like an esoteric question, but maybe it's useful to the audience.
		What would what do you think is driving, because obviously the Snow Kings protest was quite old.
		I estimated the most gratuitous sort of estimation I could give was what I saw in DC.
		I would say about 66% were of retirement age.
		How much of that animosity towards the Trump administration is driven by sort of this anxiety surrounding maybe, you know, protecting their own interests and also that boomers are kind of on the way out versus how many of them are genuinely convinced that Trump is like a fascist dictator and they feel like that they're part of this great standoff.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I think it's more, I think it's more the latter.
		I don't think it's this self, you know, we talked a lot about the boomer interests and obviously I think that the boomer interest explains why they don't see the downsides of a mass migration, for example.
		They don't feel them at all, right?
		If anything, it's just positives for them.
		So that from their perspective, they're like, ICE is doing, ICE is taking away my employees.
		But, like, people I like.
		So, that's their view.
		Um, but when it comes to what, why they're fighting so hard against Trump, that's that's definitely more this kind of almost quasi-religious feeling that they're part, you know, this is a meaningful life project for them at the end of their life.
		They see Trump as, I think, uh, representing the antagonism towards their basic values and antagonism towards the basic way they've understood the world since Woodstock.
unidentified		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		You know, and that's, you know, Trump, if anything, is a traitor to the boomer class is a way to think about it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, we got to think they've invested 60 years at, you know, beyond six years, but at least of their lifetime, 60 years towards this political project that's now being unraveled in, let's just say, second term Trump, really just being unraveled in nine months.
		I mean, that would make me infuriated if I were like a liptard boomer.
		I mean, I would be absolutely furious watching this happen.
		And I would feel that sort of anxiety of like, oh, wait, the history books.
		What about the history books?
		Oh, no.
		What about my curriculum, my college curriculum?
		You can just not do that.
		You can govern in a different way.
		You can actually look out for the American people.
		That would bring me a tremendous amount of anxiety if I were of that affliction, I would say.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And you notice that the insults have steered completely in the direction of fascist and authoritarian.
		If you go back four or five years, in first Trump won, it was racist.
		It was sexist.
		It was, you know, traitor Russia, you know, all that random stuff.
		And it's like, all that stuff has failed.
		All that stuff's out the window.
		You know, I think broader society has moved past the Black Lives Matter era.
		Most of us, especially since the admin of body cams, I think most people realize that was the fundamental thesis that was built on was just wrong.
		You know, cops are good people.
		They're dealing with criminals.
		Every body cam video has the victim looking incredibly incredibly unreasonable.
		So now you're just fascist and authoritarian and tyranny, blah, blah, blah.
		Like no kings itself is just so silly.
		Like, you know, we're in the middle of a government shutdown.
		Trump isn't randomly stealing money or ordering the treasury to print more to fund the government operations.
		He's not ordering, you know, he's obeying every court order and then going to the Supreme Court and winning.
unidentified		Right.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		This is not a guy who's disrespecting the basic, you know, limits on his Article II power.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		He's just asserting the prerogatives that have been there the whole time.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what's so strange is like, if Trump were behaving like a king, you would wouldn't be allowed to do it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't be allowed to break.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		We would have just banned the protests and arrested him.
unidentified		Right.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		It's like, yeah, hurry out.
		Maybe we should have no kings.
		But, you know, that's actually now they think about it.
		Now that percolates a little bit, you know, maybe a Caesar.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		What is the story of why did the Constitution replace the Articles of Confederation?
		Why did the founders create a strong executive branch?
		It's because the Articles of Confederation were a mess.
		The central government was so weak it couldn't do anything.
		It couldn't collect taxes.
		It couldn't put down riots.
		It couldn't do anything.
		You know, Hamilton is the deep thinker behind the presidency and why it was created.
		It actually is created to be a fairly strong office.
		It doesn't get the rights right to law, but it adds every shred of executive power belongs to the president of the United States.
		And one and just a single one, because that person is supposed to act with energy and dispatch.
		In a way, I think the boomers often, here's another point.
		I just thought of this.
		The boomers' political self-development matched Nixon, it matched the 70s, which post-Nixon was the nater of executive power in this country.
		You think of all the different bills that were passed to deal with as correctives to the Nixon era, things like FOIA, all these restrictions on the executive branch.
		So they grew up with the idea that it's important to have a weak executive to, you know, to protect liberty, but that's not always true.
		And certainly it's not true in a world where you have this massive congressional sclerosis and you need the one guy who's elected by the entire Country to use the executive power to help move things forward.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, and that kind of gets at another point: is I showed some pictures earlier, but I mean, people see for themselves.
		They've kind of changed their optical strategy around a little bit and they're using a lot of appeals to our what they perceive as our founding principles, right?
		They would say, like, oh, no kings for 250 years.
		What's with this 180?
		Because a week ago, they were like dragging Columbus and calling him like a genocidal maniac.
		And then a week later, they're like appealing to Thomas Jefferson and stuff like that.
		What is going on with this LARP, like this optical, you know, runaround that they're trying to pull on us?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I think it's that subtle tension between sort of more the boomer liberals and the younger liberals who don't really care that much about this democracy stuff.
		They don't really care too much about historical traditions as far as the younger generation of lefties thinks.
		That's all scaffolding for oppression.
		So they don't really care.
		But there's plenty of people in the Democrat Party who realize that they're not going to win the middle of the country if they're not seen as at least appealing to basic patriotic principles.
unidentified		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		So you have this tension between them where you have – and then at the patriotic protest, you have the woman mocking the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		It's just this internal tension of the left that contains these people who want to say that Trump is a tyrant and we need to restore American ideals versus the people who are like actually a communist revolution would be great.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, and beyond that, the lady that was mocking the Kirk assassination, she was holding a Mexican flag.
		It's almost like you can't even make this up.
		Yeah.
		GPT wouldn't let you generate that.
		Like it's – Yeah.
		It's so crazy.
		But yeah, go ahead.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		You go first.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was just saying like – and then you compare that back to the LA riots earlier this year where it was clearly just a Mexican nationalist, like I would say almost borderline insurgency.
		That's what it certainly felt like.
		I wasn't on the ground, but that's how I perceive it when you're shutting it on highways and attacking federal buildings.
		It's this weird – this retconning where it's like the older boomers in the Democrat Party, really just the older establishment.
		I mean this includes the upper end of Gen X as well.
		Grew up in a vastly different America than it exists now.
		Yes.
		So they're like kind of like, guys, wait.
		No, you're supposed to wave the American flag and LARP.
		Like what are you guys doing?
		And like you're hitting on – there's this massive divide.
		And I don't know how much longer we're going to see this Democrat Party that at least tries to make these appeals.
		I think we're just going to see a third-worldist party in the not-too-distant future.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I think that's right.
		I think it's going to be a third-worldist party.
		I don't think that the sort of patriotic old-school boomer liberals – I mean they just have a particular kind of patriotism, but it at least is like an attempt to be patriotic.
		Whereas the woman with the Kirk assassination where holding a Mexican plane, his flag is making no effort to be a patriotic American.
		But the older generation is going to pass on.
		It's going to be us and the younger Republicans dealing with the younger Democrats.
		And I think the younger Democrats are indeed going to be a third-worldist party, a party driven by the resentments and animosities of the countries where they came from or the countries of their allies.
		So, you know, Mexican flags and Palestinian flags and you name it.
		That's going to be what drives the Democratic Party.
		And so the Republican Party is going to be the pro-America party.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, Zoran is like a great example of the future of the party.
		Like there's this whole attempt to try and clear the field for Cuomo so then he can take on Zoran 101.
		And it's like I get it, right?
		But you're just kicking the can for like four years down the road because the next – if it's not Zoran, it's going to be another person pretty much exactly like him.
		Like that actually is the future of the Democratic Party.
		It's a feature, not a bug of the new Democrat Party.
		And yeah, and you're seeing with No Kings, obviously people are not afraid to mock Charlie Kirk.
		It's like we're going to be dealing with a party that resembles like the EFF in South Africa, the Kilda Boer Party.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And people are not waking up to that.
		And this No Kings, I guess, is buying them a little more time rhetorically.
		But like you're going to get more and more Zorans and it's – the Republicans are going to have to use – you know, get a little meaner, I think.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's just a realization that, you know, as long as we keep, if we keep winning the presidency and we keep winning the bulk of the state houses because so many states are Republican, it's just about taking responsibility for being sovereign, right?
		Like, and I think Tennessee is starting to do that.
		You know, Tennessee said, guess what?
		We're going to make Memphis safe now, even if Memphis has a local blue mayor.
		We don't care.
		Tennessee is a red state.
		We're going to call in the National Guard.
		We're going to restore order to Memphis.
		Similarly, Trump is talking about how he wants to bring order to San Francisco, bring order to other blue cities.
		He should.
		We, the Republican Party, should be the party.
		We're not the small government party.
		We're the party of proper governance.
		We're the party of law and order, of legal migration, of prosperity and flourishing for the people who have a legal right to be here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, totally.
		There's kind of one more sort of factor at play with the No Kings is what we saw with the political violence, the ramping up of political violence.
		To me, that's actually an indication that the Republicans are winning overwhelmingly, where the Democrats feel like, maybe the Democrats, but the sort of leftist elements of the Democrat Party feel like they're backed into a corner, feel like they're completely shut out from political power.
		And so they lash out with political violence because that's all they know how to do.
		The No Kings protests, like, obviously it was, you know, there was a fairly large turnout.
		They're estimating five, five million.
		Like, that's not nothing, right?
		But at large, the Democrat Party really just feels demoralized.
		And that's a really worrying thing.
		And I don't think these No Kings protests are going to mask the reality, which is that the Democrat Party is ultimately shut out of power.
		They're realizing this with the shutdown.
		They're realizing the Republicans are like, okay, fine, we'll just sit back and wait for you guys to come to the negotiating table.
		It's a new look, GOP combined with a demoralized Democrat Party.
		Like, where does this go?
		How do I like this?
		This doesn't look good from the calculus.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		No, and I think, I mean, they're really, you know, Democrats kind of, again, it's what we talked about earlier, the fact that the Obama administration's legacy is so poor that nobody's sticking by it at all, but there's nothing else motivating it.
		And so you end up with a case where the only people with like a positive vision for the country or like at least something, a vision itself, right?
		You know, as they'd say at the Big Lebowski, like, at least it's an ethos, the idea that, but at least the communists have an idea of what they want to do.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know that the boomer liberals have an idea of what they want to do with power.
		I don't know that they do.
		I think they just want to hold on to it for its own sake and for their own sake and just stop people from deporting.
		You know, it's like an anti-deportation party, I guess.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		But and you can see that with like they're trying to find a message, and the only one they can land on is healthcare, right?
		They're like, ah, we're going to make, you know, put our flag down and fight to deal with the bump in Obamacare insurance premiums.
		It's like, well, that begs the question.
		Like, why are those premiums going to go up like crazy in the first place?
		Oh, right.
		Because Obamacare failed.
		Because Obamacare is a mess and requires a trillion and a half in subsidies just to make it so that people can have unbelievably crappy health insurance.
		It's a completely miserable failure.
		So they don't, what are they, what's there?
		What's motivating the moderate liberal left?
		And as a result, you find them being, they're all like the people who are doing Pod Save America.
		They're in the replies of Hassan Piker, who's just an anti-American communist.
		Another, you know, if not, if not for the fact that he was born in New Jersey, would be a great candidate for denaturalization and deportation.
		It's true.
		But they're, because, cause Hassan at least is saying, like, here's the project I want.
		The DSA is at least saying, here's what we're going to do.
		We're going to be socialists.
		It's a terrible idea.
		It's going to ruin everything, but like, it's something.
		So nothing.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, because, yeah, and you have this like, yeah, like you're talking about like this Ezra Klein.
		I don't even want to call it a wing of the Democrat Party because I really don't think they actually have that many ears in the Democrat establishment.
		I think, like you said, the older sort of rungs of the Democrat Party are really just concerned of maintaining political power.
		And that's why you've got this schizophrenic messaging at the No Kings protests.
		Like I was there, Bernie Sanders got up and he was like railing on like Elon Musk.
		And then like Mehdi Hassan gets up and he's like complaining about ICE.
		It's like they weren't even focused on like what specifically they had a problem about with Trump beyond the fact that he's Trump.
unidentified		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's, you know, the Never Trump stuff has just completely lost, run out of gas.
		You know, all the lawfare failed.
		Every project to get rid of Trump has completely failed at this point.
		And now Trump is at the apex of his power after 10 years of the Democrat movement being solely focused on taking him down.
		Yeah.
		So it leaves them kind of bereft of a message.
		And it's going to be hard for them to reconstruct out of this.
		And I mean, you look at the polling, you know, people don't blame Trump for the shutdown.
		They think, oh, healthcare is good, but the Democrats should probably come to the table.
		And I mean, Republicans are going to be willing to make some sort of deal.
		They don't want healthcare insurance premiums despite, you know, 5X for people for 10% of the population.
		They don't want that.
		So they'll figure out some sort of accommodation there.
		But like, that's all you're building your platform on.
		And I guess the final point I would make on that specifically is that, you know, what Ezra Klein is trying to do is this abundance thing.
		But Ezra Klein knows that it's the crime issues and the illegal immigration use that are pissing everybody off.
		But it's such a core part of the Democratic Party platform that you can't get rid of it.
		So what do you even do?
		Like, you know, the Republicans get to stand on, well, like, we're just going to make life better for people by putting criminals in jail and deporting illegal immigrants and releasing liberating energy policies and making it easier to have a family.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And like.
		Democrats are stuck on, you know, there are three big issues that dominate American politics right now.
		It's immigration, crime, and the economy.
		And the Democrats are on the 2080 side and two of them on immigration and crime.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's a disaster.
		I mean, that's even like no kings.
		It's just, they're not actually concerned about the, they're on the wrong side of the policy.
		They're just convinced that it's maybe the messaging that's wrong.
		So they keep trying to like repackage the messaging.
		They trot out some like 25-year-old who has like, you know, the hedge fund manager dad to like maybe try and like appeal to Zoomers or something.
		And it's like, no, it's the policy sucks.
		Like you can actually have terrible, you can have terrible messaging, but still get across the finish line with great policy.
		The Republicans did it.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		They can't.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I mean, think about how little, you know, how much how hard Trump had to work to win in 2016 and how aligned the messaging forces of the world were against him.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Right.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		But he was just the guy saying illegal immigration is bad.
		Crime is bad.
		We should kick our enemies' asses.
		We have fairer trade deals.
		And just a huge chunk of the country was like, yeah, that.
		We want that.
		We want that.
		And immigration is horribly unpopular everywhere.
		Everywhere.
		Not just in the United States.
		It's the driver of every politics in a Western country.
		It's driver politics Japan now, too.
		It doesn't matter where you are.
		Like every existing Western society, the popularity of immigration is just at best 65, 35 against.
		And so if you're running on the wrong side of that, you're just, you're struggling for a message because the other side gets to say about, because it's such a meta-issue.
		It controls how everything else in society works.
		You know, like you're talking about healthcare.
		It's like, okay, but illegal immigration is a big driver of the cost of healthcare because illegal immigrants consume so much health care at the emergency room, which is why you have everybody has to go to some crappy urgent care and get mediocre care there because they can't go to the emergency room because the line is insane.
		Like every, you know, housing prices, illegal immigration, like you, you crime illegal immigration.
		It all, it all ties together.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It even trickles down to like the crappy manifestations of liberal democracy.
		Like I was in Zambia and I was asking like a cab driver, I was like, what is the big problem?
		And he's like, it's these Malawians coming in and causing problems.
		So it's like, even like, even in the heart of Africa, they're like fed up with illegal immigration.
unidentified		Yeah, it's true.
unidentified		It's true everywhere.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, it's, it's a fundamental source of tension in all these Western democracies.
		And until and unless, I mean, we're in a position, we're lucky in the sense that we don't have the problems that like the United Kingdom does or France does, where they're having a whole new set of problems where they've got, because they have mass Muslim immigration, which is, I would say, honestly, the worst crime, frankly.
		Like, you know, you have like outright Islamist MPs in Britain bragging about banning Israeli soccer fans from showing up to us.
		Thankfully, we don't have that, but it's an indicator, it's a reminder that we need to make sure that, you know, the border is the one place we actually can enforce these things because we have the First Amendment protecting freedom of speech and freedom of religion in a way that the European countries don't.
		So they can be more aggressive about dealing with the downsides of Islamist politicians, but we can't.
		So we need to like make sure that there is not serious Islamic immigration to our country.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		Well, well, we're running out of time.
		So first of all, happy Diwali.
		And where can people find in the spirit of mass immigration?
unidentified		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You can find me at Will Chamberlain on X. You can find the Article 3 project at a3paction.com, where you can see what we have going on in terms of projects, activism projects that you can email your senators and representatives for.
		And those are the two big places, but follow me on X. Sweet.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Love it.
		Appreciate it, Will.
		Until next time.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		All right.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		All righty.
		Well, that was the great Will Chamberlain.
		That was fantastic.
		He came in and he explained it all.
		See, I can't, I can't, sometimes I can't sort of articulate at that high of a level.
		So he comes in and just drives it home.
		So thanks to Will.
		It's a great show.
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		But yeah, we'll be back tonight at 8 p.m. for Timcast IRL.
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		Follow me on X specifically.
		I'm active on there.
		And with that, thank you very much for watching.
		We will see you all next time.
		Oh, and we will raid Dvore Dawkins.
		We will.
		So let me get that darkens rather.
		Sorry.
		We will get that raid going here.
		One second.
		Look at this.
		We're doing it live.
		Like Bill O'Reilly right now.
		Is he live?
		Oh, he is.
		Oh, he is live.
		He is live and he's getting after it.
		So I'm going to send you all over there.
		Boom.
		I've got to put a space in here.
		Bang.
		Confirm raid.
		Oh, yeah.
		All right.
		We'll head on over there.
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