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Oct. 16, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show

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Trump NUKING H1B, Overhauls Immigration, Democrats LOSE IT

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tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Good afternoon, rumble patriots, rumblers, whatever you call yourselves.
		It is a great afternoon.
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		We're here.
		We're, you know, we're outside of our nation's capital, our newly liberated nation's capital, thanks to a President Trump and the National Guard.
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		I also forgot my my Tate cast cube.
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		And um totally forgot it.
		So I'm totally undermanned here, out of my element.
		But uh it is a great afternoon.
		We have a huge slate of stories.
		The New York Times, we're gonna do a bit of clowning on the New York Times today, the paper of record, because they put two um very sensational articles out um that can in the most gratuitous uh sort of explanation be interpreted as uh anti-white.
		Uh and that's the most gratuitous explanation.
		Um But yeah, the uh New York Times is reporting that Trump is overhauling the refugee system, and their claim is that he's favoring white uh white refugees, white migrants, whatever you want to call them.
		Is that really the worst thing in the world?
		I don't know.
		We'll see.
		We'll dive into the article.
		Um so huge article there.
		There's some H1B news, the uh H1B, um, there's been a lot of pressure from the Trump administration on the H1B system and the GOP at large.
		Um, really trying to create an environment that uh makes it difficult for businesses to sell out in Americans.
		I know it's a very um controversial position for a uh government to take, but um, yeah, they're looking out for their own citizens.
		Um very sh very radical um obviously.
		And uh we also have an article also from the New York Times, um, hilarious article.
		Uh the Supreme Court is uh going to weaken the voting rights act.
		That's according to their headline.
		Um in actuality, they are eliminating DEI at the highest levels of our government.
		Um so we'll go, you know, we'll dive into that.
		And uh if we have time, we also uh have an update on the uh government shutdown.
		So we'll get into that as well.
		And we will be joined at the half hour mark by the great John Doyle, um Total Patriot.
		He has some thoughts on the uh, you know, Visa and uh refugee system, believe it or not, he has some hot takes, so we will bring him in to discuss.
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	Trump considers overhaul of refugee system that would favor white people.
	Oh, the horror.
	It would favor the group that makes up the majority of the United States and always has made up the majority of the United States.
	Very, very shocking, very, very shocking stuff.
	Um let's read the proposals would transform a program aimed at helping the most vulnerable people in the world into one that gives preference to mostly white people who say they are being persecuted.
unidentified		Yesh.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Um, we're in here, obviously, by two people that are unbiased.
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		Something's floating, something's floating over there.
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		The paper towels are floating right now.
		This is um getting wacky and wild.
		Let's read.
		The Trump administration is considering a radical overhaul of the U.S. refugee system that would slash the program to its bare bones, while giving preference to English speakers, white South Africans, and Europeans who oppose migration, according to documents obtained by the New York Times.
		The proposal, some of which already have gone into effect, would transform a decades-old program aimed at helping the world's most desperate people into one that conforms to Mr. Trump's vision of immigration, which is to help mostly white people who say they are being persecuted while keeping the vast majority of other people's out.
		Now, if you read this section right here, um, I just want to say this is reporting, reporting from Washington up here.
		There's no indication that this is an opinion article.
		Um, but if you know anything about writing, I don't know if you guys are uh politicos, but um you have to you have to indicate to the reader that this is an opinion piece.
		And um what you're seeing here is opinion.
		This is uh this is obviously a subjective um take on a otherwise what should be an objective um sort of reporting.
		That's what's going on here.
		And uh yeah, so the idea that his vision of immigration is mostly to help white people, obviously is reading into the situation, and that could be an opinion piece.
		Hilarious that this is reporting.
		This is the paper of record, according to um Dorks.
		Uh yeah, the plans were presented to the White House in April and July by officials in the state and homeland security departments after President Trump directed federal agencies to study whether refugee resettlement was in the interest of the United States.
		Mr. Trump had suspended refugee admissions on his first day in office and solicited the proposals about how and whether the administration could should continue the program.
		Now, if you go back, obviously let's go to the let's go to the RNC convention right at the end of last year.
		I don't know if you remember the signs that were being held up by the uh the delegates and the other attendees of the of the convention.
		Um what are the signs say on them?
		They said mass deportations, full stop.
		That's all it said was mass deportations.
		And you gotta go you can wind the clock further back to 2016.
		I was a teenager in 2016, almost like it was in freshman year of high school.
		Um Trump Trump, the the galvanizing issue for him was immigration.
		That's what he tapped into.
		There was this, you know, all across the West, really, there's been this massive uh vitriol against immigration because it's completely overhauled uh uh the demographic makeup of our country, so everything's become much more unfamiliar.
		Keir Starmer, out of all people spoke about this, and there's been a huge economic impact.
		I mean, we've seen with the H1Bs, obviously, but even across the board, at every level of the uh economic ladder, there has been an all-out assault on American citizens and Americans.
		And um it's uh all the All the gigs have gone to immigrants because you can pay them less.
		It's it's really um it's just a math problem.
		And Trump identified this.
		Trump tapped into this because no one in the GOP was taking on the issue, right?
		The so-called conservatives were not actually interested in conserving the quality of life for Americans.
		And this was the this was the case for a very long time.
		This is the case in the United Kingdom, this is the case in France, this is the case in Germany.
		All across the West, there's been an all-out assault on the natives of the country, and they seek to sort of replace them with migrants.
		And you know, people can speculate why that is.
		Some people say, you know, well, this is a malicious attempt to change, you know, the demographic composition of the country.
		But the most, you know, gratuitous explanation is just that it's cheap, that it's cheap labor, that it's cheap labor that allows these companies to not pay Americans what they are owed, um, or what you know what their what their labor would demand in the market, and instead they can just circumvent it and ship in um a class of people that will work for far cheaper and scab out American citizens.
		This is nothing new.
		And then obviously Elon Musk is really pointed to this.
		The Democrats specifically also use immigration as a way to shore up their power in a lot of these states um and a lot of these cities.
		Um that's what that's what I mean.
		Immigrants over overwhelmingly vote for the Democrat Party.
		It's not not a question.
		You can look at the numbers.
		These are public, these are published by the government.
		So there's there's multiple angles here that benefit sort of this ruling class that we have that's kind of been imposed on us.
		Um and immigration benefits them massively.
		Um Trump, obviously, in 2016, he comes on the golden escalator.
		He says, We're getting ripped off, we're getting mugged here.
		This is ridiculous.
		And this has been his issue.
		This has been his number one issue.
		This is what has propelled him to uh to power, quite frankly.
		And 2024 was no different.
		Coming into the election, you know, I I do recall, yeah, we had the captive dreamer, the uh the great Twitter poster on the show last Thursday, so it's been a week ago, and he was infamous for sort of being the guy that put the um Haitians in Springfield, Ohio eating the dogs and cats story um, sort of on people's kitchen tables.
		Um, and he deserves massive credit for that, obviously.
	And we discussed this, you can go check it out in the Culture War channel or on Rumble if you would like to see that.
	But if you kind of remember the uh 2024 uh Donald Trump presidential campaign, sort of going into the fall, energy was actually a little low.
	You know, Kamala had just ran, she got this huge pop in the media, which was obviously top down.
	It was a huge media firestorm, they were in love with this lady, mainly because no one had heard her talk yet.
	That was kind of the big problem, um, even though she was vice president for four years, but no one really even knew what she sounded like.
	Um, but even in the Trump campaign, you know, things were kind of the energy was low.
	It felt a little dragging.
	This didn't feel like Trump.
	It felt like just kind of a generic GOP campaign in some ways.
	All of a sudden he gets on the debate stage, and he says he talking about the the Haitian situation in Springfield, and he's really referring to immigration at large.
	He says, They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, you know, and you hear these things and here on the debate stage, and you go, that's hilarious.
	That takes you back to 2016, that takes you back to the smack downs he was delivering to all those lawyers on the uh GOP debate stage, and it pumped this new energy into the campaign.
	And a lot of people are trying to decipher why that is.
	Why specifically was that line so captivating to Americans and to the to the Trump base?
	Because it taps into the energy that has been driving the Trump campaign the whole time.
	It's been look, we want to stop the tap.
	We want to turn the tap off.
	This is we're drowning here.
	It's like you're treading water, you know, in the ocean, and you're in your, you know, you you can barely you can barely tread for much longer.
	And then someone throws you 30 million illegal immigrants.
	That's basically what happened.
	And so um, yeah, that happens.
	Obviously, the the eating the dogs eating the cats, energy is pumps right back into the Trump campaign, and he carries that into the election and wins and wins decisively.
	So this is the issue for Trump.
	So um, yeah, this uh this idea that he's just maliciously reorienting our immigration system.
	It's like, no, he has a mandate from the American people to cut the flow of people coming into the country.
	And the refugee program is being exploited.
	Um, there's no question about it.
	Biden let in upwards of 20 to 30 million people.
	And um even J.D. Vance spoke about this in April.
	He estimated 20 million illegal immigrants and more if you count those already here.
	So that's the vice president confirming that number.
	Um, a lot of people, you know, go, um, actually, it's only 12 million according to my calculations.
	Uh, it's well over 20 million.
	JD Vance is saying the the basement's 20 million.
	It's probably far higher.
	That's just how many Biden led in.
	So with that, we'll keep reading.
	Um what do we got here?
	Trump administration officials have not ruled out any of the ideas, according to people familiar with the planning.
	Although there's no set timetable for approving or rejecting the ideas.
	The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the confidential plans.
	The proposed changes would put new emphasis on whether applicants would be able to assimilate into the United States, directing them to take classes on American history and values and respectful cult respect for cultural norms.
	Oh, the whore.
	Oh my gosh, this is really this is like the fourth Reich.
	Oh my gosh, this is horrifying.
	This must be fascism.
	He wants to um see if the people coming would be able to assimilate into the country.
	What?
	That's like that's immigration 101.
	You want to prioritize people that would say like what?
	You want to import a class of people that would like siphon themselves away from or you know, silo themselves away from uh civic life.
	Like, what are we doing here?
	These people are so far up their own tail that uh they they write this out and don't blink an eye.
	They they literally do not blink.
	They just say, Yeah, yeah, this is terrible.
	He wants to uh put emphasis on if applicants are able to assimilate, and he's using classes on American history uh to determine that.
	Okay, well, thank you, uh New York Times.
	Paper of record.
	The proposals also advise Mr. Trump to prioritize Europeans who have been targeted for peaceful expression of views online, such as opposition to mass migration or support for quote populist political parties.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sounds sounds good to me.
	Um I don't know if you're familiar, I don't know if you're a history junkie.
	Um our founding was kind of built on dissent, was kind of built on political descent.
	So um what why why would this be inconsistent with uh American values in any way?
	I digress.
	That appeared to be a reference to the European far-right political party AFD, alternative for Germany, whose leaders have trivialized the Holocaust.
	Whoa, uh, revive Nazi slogans and denigrated foreigners.
	Um maybe just ask any if you're in the audience and you're you know wondering, just ask any Germans um if they think the AFD is sufficiently right-wing enough, and they will say no.
	They will say no.
	And um, yeah, they're they're very I mean, yes, they are to the right of um, you know, your typical German political party, but this idea that they're sort of this renegade far-right party is just is absurd on the face.
	Um and you know, this sort of this sort of language is what leads to uh democratic backsliding.
	That's obviously a term that these people like to use, but it leads to a an erosion of democ democracy because you know, AFD has been on the chopping block in Germany for a while.
	They've the ruling party and and the CDU, etc., has sought for really years now to um find some sort of way to you know ban AFD from uh from the ballot.
	That's that's been like their number one goal because you know, they would again they would stop the flow, they would uh they would uh turn off the tap uh of of migration.
	That's really what this comes down to.
	Vice president J.D. Vance has criticized Germany for trying to suppress the views of the group, which is known as the AFD.
	So that's why I'm referring to alternate for Germany, um, whatever alternative for Deutschland, and so it comes out to AFD.
	Which is true.
	Yeah, I mean, Germany is actively this isn't this isn't J.D. Vance criticizing like this is off-the-wall comment.
	No, they actively are, and I'm sure the New York Times is even reported on this.
	They are actively trying to um suppress the views of the group.
	They're trying to ban them, right?
	They're trying to they're they're eroding democracy, and this is you know, supposedly their uh big concern of Trump.
	Anyway, a senior official said that the Trump administration was monitoring the situation in Europe to determine whether anyone would be eligible for refugee status.
	The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the plan had not been finalized.
	And Mr. Trump enacted some of the proposals in the document even before the plans were submitted to him, including slashing refugee admissions and offering priority status to Afrikaners, The white minority that once ran South Africa's brutal apartheid system.
	Okay, so like 30, 40 years ago now.
	And um, this is the New York Times basically uh trying to undercut the very valid um oppression that uh Afrikaners specifically are enduring in South Africa.
	I've spoken about this at length.
	Um they literally have one of their major political parties there, um, led by Malema, who is this radical um race Marxist, um, you know, that we actually have one of those running for uh mayor in New York City.
	Uh he will get up in front of a crowd.
	He runs a party called the EFF.
	They're a far-left Marxist group.
	They literally are Marxists, they wear these red berets, et cetera, et cetera.
	And he gets up to these stadiums and he chants kill the boar.
	It's the song, this revolutionary song that literally describes how they need to kill Afrikaners, white South Africans.
	Well, that's a specific group of white South Africans, the Afrikaners.
	So yeah, if you have a major party singing songs about how they're gonna kill you, I I if that doesn't if that doesn't count for refugee status, I don't know what does.
	Because Biden led in all these people from Latin America, and their main gripe, their main gripe with their home country that would give them, you know, the right to seek asylum was that their country sucked.
	That was like the main, they would just say, oh, you know, the economy's terrible.
	Yeah, well, that sucks for you.
	Um, get in line, because uh, yeah, America's awesome, and everyone else's economy kind of sucks.
	That's just how this works.
	Um, but no, that is not a valid reason for refugee status.
	You know what is?
	Um, if there is a party calling to exterminate you, that's that's actually a good reason for applying for refugee status.
	Mr. Trump has claimed that Afrikaners face racial persecution in their home country.
	Trump has claimed this is totally unfounded.
	Like they're not explicitly saying that, but that is what's implied here.
	They're trying to sort of frame this as if it's just like Trump and Vance on these weird tirades.
	Um ridiculous.
	They face racial persecution in their home country, a claim vigorously disputed by government officials there.
	Yeah, of course it is.
	Uh police statistics do not show that white people are more vulnerable to violent crime than other people in South Africa.
	I'll have to do a deep dive on that, because that is couldn't be further from the truth.
	Similar to America, um, white people in South Africa are indiscriminately killed quite often, and the black South Africans, similar to the United States with black Americans, commit violent crime at a rate higher um towards white South Africans than they commit to each other.
	So just false on the face.
	Um ridiculous.
	And uh, yeah, of course their government officials are going to vigorously defend it because the EFF is this huge insurgent political group that uh, you know, has a huge activist base.
	So of course they're gonna say that.
	So look, this is ridiculous.
	We we talked about J.D. Vance, obviously, he was attributing 20 million legal immigrants to uh the Biden administration.
	Um, you know, and and this is all part of the Trump administration's mandate to trim immigration down, to cut immigration numbers across the board, illegal and legal, because quite frankly, it's both a problem for different reasons.
	This was uh this was a screenshot that was that was doing the rounds.
	This was from um the Project 2025 um sort of uh publication that you know, obviously Democrats were dooming over.
	Um, but this does give you an insight into some of the orientation of of the Trump administration.
	They want to repeal the INA, bar new petitions on enactment, and sunset existing approvals inside 12 months with penalties for status overruns.
	All this to say, this would effectively end H1B, and this is obviously something that it would be very, very popular with Americans.
	Um Trump inherited.
	This is the mess that he inherited.
	Here is FHA loans um to immigrants without permanent residency, and you just see it just skyrocket in the Biden era.
	Obviously, he takes over here.
	This was already very high, and this was under Trump, but obviously the second term's a different look.
	But uh, you see in the Biden admin, this is just climbing and climbing and climbing and climbing with no checks on it, no checks whatsoever.
	It just kept ramping up.
	June 2025, it tanks, because that's when the FHA ban came into place on May 25th, and he ended a Trump administration ended FHA loans to H1B holders.
	And uh this account here, just Loki.
	Um he provided this commentary.
	Trump ended FHA loans on H1Bs on May 25th, but prior to that, it is insane that non-immigrant guest workers were given loans by the government to buy a permanent resident and the residence in the first place.
	Like, there's already kind of some problems with the FHA system to begin with that um we could go into.
	But yeah, that's for Americans.
	Like, what is the point of being an American if every single um government program that would be at my disposal is also eligible for non-Americans?
	What is the point?
	Doesn't make any sense.
	Um, this is kind of the mentality of these visa heads, as I want to call them.
	This was uh this was back in when was this?
	This was June 20th, so this was fairly recent.
	Um ALX got the clip here.
	This was from uh uh James O'Keeffe's network.
	U.S. State Department visa specialist calls for Elon Musk to be quote dragged out of the building and quote lynched on the street.
unidentified		What do you feel about it?
		I don't like Oh, I would love for his him to be dragged out of the building with his hairplugs.
		Yeah, I would love that and lynched on the street.
		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So absolutely brutal.
		Um Arslan Achtar.
		Again, I'm watching for things floating around here.
		You never know what could happen.
		It's like a zero gravity room when you start reading these types of names.
		Um, believe it or not, this kind of guy who wants Elon Musk to be to be lynched, um, probably doesn't have Americans' interests in minds.
		And uh, yeah, he was a visa specialist for the US State Department.
		So this is the kind of staffing and personnel that the Trump administration inherited, and this was the mentality of these people who had been advocating and stumping for um our robust visa system and defending it, and ultimately we're in charge of maintaining it.
		Was people with this sort of mentality?
		This is there's no question about it.
		And yeah, so we we see the economic art the economic angle, right?
		I mean, we have this.
		This was from uh CIS, the Center for Immigration Studies.
		Um, this was a report they published.
		Um 54% of households headed by immigrants, so naturalized citizens, legal residents, and illegal immigrants used one or more what major welfare program.
		This compares to 39% of US born households.
		So this whole narrative of like this, you know, super hardworking immigrant, which there are some.
		I'll concede that I've met them.
		There's some really solid ones.
		I I have some in my life.
		There, there's no question about it.
		They they they are out there.
		So I don't want this to like come off like I'm just you know picking on people or whatever.
		But there's no question that they are in the minority, the vast majority, and that the immigration system is primarily designed to disenfranchise Native Americans.
		And when I say Native American, I mean Americans that have been here for a while, right?
		Not your paperwork Americans, but your Americans, right?
		You're you're you know, people that uh like football, etc.
		The immigration system is designed to disenfranchise them.
		There's no question about it.
		And I don't know how you can see a metric like uh this, where a higher percentage of immigrants are on welfare than native-born Americans and come away with the argument that immigration is somehow our strength.
		It just falls falls apart on the face.
		It falls apart on the face.
		Um they break it down further.
		Um the uh well, the rate is 59% for non-citizen households, e.g., green cardholders and illegal immigrants.
		Uh, this metric right here, uh, compared to households headed by the US born immigrant-headed households, uh, have especially high use of food programs, 39 or 36% versus 25% for the US born, Medicaid, 37% versus 25% for the US born, and the earned income tax credit, 16% versus 12% for the US born.
		So every metric you look at, they're just it's blowing up that narrative, this narrative that is continued to push by people that really just hate you ultimately, and it's pushed that somehow immigration is our strength, somehow um somehow allowing the world's, you know, uh we're not getting that we're not they're not sending their best in the words of Trump.
		I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll put it that way.
		Um, so in every way it's meant to just disenfranchise, and ultimately there's these cultural angle where the people coming don't assimilate, and they will not assimilate, and that's why Trump is having to prioritize English speakers, you know, white South Africans, Europeans that are political dissidents, because these people will assimilate easier because America fundamentally is built on like a European civilizational structure.
		That's just a fact.
		There's no denying that.
		The founders certainly would reiterate this.
		I don't know if you've read the first line of the Constitution.
		And this isn't to say that anyone's inferior, it's just to say when you're constructing a country, you typically would like the people that are in the country um to or rather the people that are coming to the country to sort of reflect the people that are in the country.
		You would like them to assimilate easily.
		There's no question about it.
		But instead, you're just seeing this massive, massive overhaul of the composition of our country.
		And this idea that's been pushed down on us That the demographic composition of our country is not up for vote.
		It's just like this thing that just magically changes, and there's nothing we can do about it is absolutely ridiculous because we see these H1B, uh, these H1B situation.
		I talked about in the show a few days ago, um, my hometown of Memphis, um, where FedEx is headquartered, a massive, massive corporation.
		The new CEO who took over after Fred Smith, the late Fred Smith passed, um, is of Indian extraction.
		And he has filled the entire E-suite with this coethics with other Indians.
		And we we saw that, and this is being reflected.
		We're now seeing the data come in.
		So this is um Schilling Farms Elementary School.
		This was my local elementary school growing up and and in uh the suburbs of Memphis.
		Um when I was a kid, it was a very white and black place, right?
		These are two groups of people that are unmistakably American.
		And I looked and and I saw this, I saw this article, and people are saying, oh, well, the schools are changing, and I I go back to Memphis somewhat often, and I did see this in the suburbs.
		The the composition of the air, it's becoming more foreign, it's becoming stranger, and it's particularly becoming more Indian, which is great if I was in India, you know.
		I would like India to remain Indian.
		That's you know, it's whatever.
		It's neither here nor there.
		Um, you know, a little cologne would be nice, but uh don't really want that in the United States.
		I don't think that's that's good to overhaul the demographics of the country because it changes the country fundamentally.
	Not just the economics the economics are bad enough.
	We already saw that you can't defend immigration on the merits of of you know of economics, it doesn't benefit us.
	They're on welfare, primarily.
	Uh the majority are on welfare.
	But um, even from the cultural enrichment aspect, I don't think that's the case.
	I I really don't.
	I I think I think the population of a country should be allowed to have um a take on the demographic composition of the country.
	This was Shilling Farms Elementary, like I said, a very white and black place growing up, and now it is 50% Asian or Asian Pacific Islander.
	This is obviously a very broad term, but this describes anyone from Asia, and uh that includes India.
	And um, yeah, 50%.
	And the majority of this is Indian, just anecdotally.
	I mean, we don't have any hard data on the nation of origin, but there's not many Chinese or Japanese in Memphis.
	There's just not.
	There's really no reason there would be.
	And we see here, we're we're we can see the data.
	The data's in.
	There's been a massive, there's been a massive overhaul of the demographic composition of Collierville, Tennessee.
	That's Collierville, Tennessee.
	That's in like the middle that that is in the population.
	If you put America on a pin and it balanced out based off of population, this would be around the center of the country, would be Memphis, Tennessee.
	And it's been a complete overall.
	We already know New York City.
	I mean, look, I have the data here.
	Um, this is from Wikipedia.
	Um, we've already seen this.
	This is 1940 was 92% white.
	Um, with a with a with a small black minority, which reflected the country at large.
	This is our largest city, so it should probably reflect the nation's demographics.
	Flash forward uh to 2022, it is now 30% white, 30% Hispanic, 20% black, 15% Asian.
	So even in our largest city, we've seen this massive demographic overhaul.
	And we've seen this across the West.
	This has happened in London, Paris, Madrid, Berlin, etc.
	But in New York City, you know, you kind of want this, but maybe you can hand wave that away.
	So, well, New York has always been kind of the first stop for immigrants.
	This is nothing new.
	And okay, okay, I'll grant you.
	Well, I'll let's just say for the argument, I'll grant you that.
	Then why do we need to overhaul Collierville, Tennessee?
	Why do we need to overhaul Memphis and the suburbs of Memphis?
	Why?
	What is going on here?
	What is going on?
	This is this is the this is the demographic composition of a country that lost a war, right?
	Like if you look at uh, you know, you can you can look at countries that have lost a war and you can see the territories that they've ceded and what the uh demographic breakdown looks like.
	Um it looks very similar to this.
	You should ask yourself, what is going on?
	And the Trump administration is addressing this, and they're and and rightfully, and they have to, they have to, because this is ultimately what is driving um, this is what's driving the the immigration, the the concern of immigration in the Trump administration.
	Um, at the very least, this number right here should be enough to pursue you know some sort of net zero migration policy.
	This metric alone right here is just ridiculous.
	So we spent a lot of time on that article, so I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring uh John Doyle in.
	I'm gonna bring John Doyle in.
	So thank you for watching uh this this segment of the show.
	Um we'll be back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
	I'm your host, Tate Brown.
	You can follow me at real Tate Brown on X and Instagram, and the uh interview segment of John Doyle will be up on the Cultural Channel Culture War channel at 4 p.m. if you missed it.
	And uh with that, thank you for watching.
	All right, that was pretty seamless, guys.
	What do you think of that?
	It was pretty good, right?
	Well, we're gonna get to this next article here from the New York Times.
	The Supreme Court appears poised to weaken the voting rights act in a dispute over the Louisiana voting map.
	The conservative majority signaled it might prohibit using race as a factor in creating election districts.
	Resulting redistricting could let states cement Republican control of Congress.
	Um they're describing DEI.
	So yeah, they they uh they're describing DEI here.
	This is the current map.
	There's a lot of these blue districts that are artificial, they are designed to grab um the the areas that have a high density of black voters, and it turns it turns these states bluer.
	It makes or sorry, turns these states' congressional representation bluer.
	Um, and these are completely artificial districts.
	Look at Louisiana here, you see this snaking because they're trying to capture as many black voters as as possible, because in the voting rights act, it creates this requirement for race-based districts.
	Which in other words is DEI.
	You're you're giving people something just on the basis of their race, which is fundamentally opposed to this idea of equality that we have.
	And uh, we see here, this is the current map.
	This is what it would look like if we just got rid of DEI at the highest levels of our government.
	The Republicans would pick up 12 seats.
	So we're gonna bring John Doyle in.
	He's gonna break this down further, among other things.
	I'm sure he has some thoughts on the immigration situation.
	Um, let me get this fired up for you guys.
	Uh just bear with me here.
	Sometimes it takes a second.
	There we go.
	Starting virtual camera.
	Hey, John, can you hear me?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Dude, what is up, Patriot?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		How's life?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		It's been too long.
		It's it's criminal that they've done this to us.
		It's been way too long.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I know, it really feels like it's a top-down hit.
		Well, look, for people, I'm I'm sure a lot of you, a lot of uh Timcast viewers obviously remember you from last time, they're fans of your work, many such cases.
		For those who don't, maybe you can give a quick intro who you are, what you do.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Uh yeah, my name is John Doyle.
		I talk about politics on the internet.
		Um, I give speeches, I I do a little bit of everything.
		I wear a lot of hats.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I love that.
		Well, so I was leading into uh your interview.
		I was I was discussing this this piece from the New York Times where it looks like the Supreme Court is set to rule on the voting rights act, which is what is allowed effectively DEI at the highest level is it is it has created these artificial districts, specifically in the American South, that create Democrat districts out of thin air, because they're trying to basically create black voting districts that that you know give them congressional uh representation.
		I'm sure you have some thoughts on this.
		What is your take?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I I suppose I could find some.
		Um, yeah, I I think that's uh the the weaponization of like the black vote in America is something that is obviously been a tool of Democrats, and I don't even mean that in like a in a dissuusian sense.
		I mean that to say that like black people are just always gonna vote for whoever the DNC uh chooses to be like the candidate for the Democrat Party or what have you.
		You saw a recent example of this actually in New York when uh, you know, Eric Adams drops out of uh the mayoral race, and instead of like abstaining from voting or something like black votes uh or black support totally shifted towards like this uh Um Dani guy, like the most like radical left-wing politician that you know would maybe even make like Barack Obama blush in some sense.
		Um but all of which just say that like insofar as these like principles in these districts exist or whatever, that is not done to forward the interest of even like black America or to forward the interest of like any kind of objective political process.
		It's like literally just done to help Democrats, which is why the Democrat-controlled media is so upset that the Trump administration or the maybe the Trump uh Supreme Court, so to speak, is gonna be threatening that power.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, and it kind of ties in.
		So earlier in the show, I was discussing um Trump overhauling the refugee system, and obviously the New York Times was pulling their hair out over it because he's basically prioritizing people that would assimilate into the country much easier, specifically English speakers, um, sort of dissident Europeans, uh Europeans of dissident political views, specifically on the right, um, like uh Afrikaners, white South Africans.
		So you're seeing this, you're seeing this reorientation of our immigration system um in a way that stops like punishing people purely for being white.
		And then you saw this article come out at the same time as you know, the SCOTUS obviously wants to take up this voting rights act.
		What does that say about the environment and specifically the Trump environment for white Americans?
		Because it really does feel like there was you know The government was targeting them for a very long time.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, we're just allowed to speak honestly about these things in a way that we never have been.
		Um and you know, the the lie with immigration that's always been sold to us is like, well, yeah, we can have immigration, but of course they have to assimilate, they should speak English, whatever.
		But when you grant in and concede that like immigration is something that is good for society, we should have it.
		Well, the people who tend to believe that don't believe that because they just like love immigration or whatever.
		They believe that because they actually hate Native Americans.
		They hate normal Americans.
		And so when you give them the keys to that and say, hey, have your immigration, but make sure they assimilate, make sure they speak, okay, whatever.
		And then of course that's never enforced, and you know, so they come into the country, they don't have to speak English, they live here for many decades in some cases and never learn uh more than conversational English at best.
		And that makes the quality of life for Americans uh lesser than what it should be, without even getting into how they're getting like government loans.
		I just saw a graph on Twitter for the FHA loans that these people are getting, for the welfare payments that these people are getting.
		So yeah, the entire system has been designed basically to wage war against normal Americans.
		And when you're seeing the Trump administration take steps to have an immigration system or a refugee system or whatever, it's treating the issue more honestly, saying, like, yeah, you know, there probably should be cases where America can open up its its borders to uh people who are legitimately being persecuted um throughout the world, not just they're incapable of creating a civilization, and so they should come over here and suck on the teeth of the American taxpayer.
		They're actually being persecuted from the top down by their government because they are saying naughty things on Twitter, or the government is run by anti-white communists, uh, much to the, you know, I guess uh a similar vein that we're seeing in this country.
		Like, yeah, you should have a system where those people can come into the country who do then want to contribute to the economy, learn the language, vote for patriots.
		Like these are people who are far more like us than frankly, you know, people coming from parts of the third world who maybe say that they uh love America or uh really love like freedom and the flag or something like that, but have no deeper concept of what sort of our civilization is about.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, I kind of want to tie the two together and maybe drill down a little bit because you know, you're seeing the Democrats obviously in both cases, this obviously benefits them.
		There's no question.
		I mean, the race-based districting just gives them votes out of thin air in the House.
		But then even with the immigration system, you know, Elon Musk has pointed out that um, you know, the Democrats have huge incentive to keep the floodgates open because it basically just battery farms voters for them, like all across the country.
		And um, but I want to drill down on that even further because that that is true.
		We're looking at a numbers problem.
		But what does it say that in both instances the Democrats this puts them in opposition to white Americans?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I I think that they just don't really like white Americans.
		I think that they understand that uh the people with the deepest incentive to conserve the country just so happen to be as a matter of like demography, white Americans, and you can have like, you know, black conservatives and Hispanic conservatives or or what have you, but simply just a numbers game.
		I think something like 85 or 86% of all votes cast for Republicans in the last like three or four elections, including like midterm elections, have just come from white Americans.
		And so obviously, if you're trying to uh think of the simplest enemy uh that you can sort of advertise to your political coalition, it's going to just be like, hey, uh normal white people, which also works well because as it would turn out, a lot of these people be them, you know, immigrants or sexual deviants, various racial religious minorities.
		Turns out the only thing that can actually unite that coalition of such diverse interests and in many cases competing interests is simply just like, okay, we can set that aside if all we focus on is that we really have this bone to pick with white people for whatever reason.
		So that's how they've sustained themselves for 60 years at this point.
		They haven't actually won a majority of the white vote since 1964.
		So every group in America seems to be voting along like racial lines.
		They don't actually really swing.
		Uh white people have increasingly only voted for Republicans.
		You're never gonna win a majority of the black vote, you're never gonna win a majority of the the South Asian vote to the extent that that exists now.
		Um Hispanics recently have finally, finally made uh inroads, I guess, in a way that's advantageous to Republicans, and so I'm not discounting that.
		I'm simply saying everyone else seems to understand kind of the game that's being played here.
		And uh I think that Patriots are finally waking up to it and kind of playing by the same rules or maybe just throwing the rules outright.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, for One, I'm looking forward to the abolition of the uh or maybe the gutting of the congressional black caucus, which are um the sort of composed of some of the most annoying figures in the House of Representatives, and they all hail from these artificial race-based districts from the South.
		So I think that's a cause for celebration.
		I don't know what I don't know what these guys are doing.
		I don't even know if they should be employable, let alone sitting congressmen and congresswomen.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they can uh they can take a position at the United States postal uh parcel services.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We can just make postal service.
		And we're you know, we're clearing some room with these, you know, these uh federal layoffs.
		I don't know, maybe we have some space to fill.
		But uh, I was looking earlier.
		We were we we pulled up the um the demographic uh makeup of New York City over time, and we saw in 1940 it was 92% white.
		Flash forward to 2020, uh 2024, it's like 32, 33% white.
		And then yeah, and if you look at like a voting map of New York City, even at the last election, like yes, it is true.
		Trump made inroads with Hispanic voters, um, East Asian voters, like flushing queens.
		Um he he had a he had a decent turnout there.
		But um, broadly speaking, the districts in or the either the parts of New York City that vote Republican are the predominantly white parts out of the outer boroughs, and there's no question about that.
		And so, like for the Republicans, and they're scratching their heads saying, Well, how can someone like Memdani get in?
		My response is just like because you allowed that voter base that would be there for a sensible candidate to basically get exterminated.
		Those people all live in Florida, those descendants of those people in 1940 live in Florida now.
		They live in North Carolina.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, you just have to offer free stuff and and they'll vote for you.
		It's it's really that simple.
		I mean, anyone living in New York will tell you, like, the economy is sort of fake.
		I mean, I guess you could say that to an extent nationally as well.
		when you're walking through New York City and you're like bumping shoulders with all these people, these people are not like on their way to work.
		They're not like on their way to some job.
		These people are like collecting government benefits and they're basically just there because it is a hub of resources, which is John Rocker spoke about this.
		This is that's so true.
		There's always this like argument about like why is it that uh, you know, the the cities are blue, but the the states are red.
		And I remember like guys like Ben Shapiro would give these like intellectualized answers where it's like, well, if you're in the city, there's more of a focus on the collective.
		Whereas if you're out in the sticks, it's like the individual, and it's like, dude, like okay, it's probably more that these kinds of people who are attracted to the Democrat Party could not exist out in the sticks, not because they're not individualists or whatever, but because there's no like literal like hub of resources that is willing to distribute free stuff to them in a way that there is in a city.
		So they flock to cities because there's stuff all around that is going to be given to them for free.
		You can call that collectivism if you want, but the bottom line is that anywhere where you have these like hubs of resource distribution that are going to be offered to these people for free at the expense of the American taxpayer, then yeah, that's where these people are gonna go, and they're going to vote Democrat and they're going to concentrate there.
		And so it's it's less about like, you know, attacking the urbanites than it is just like understanding kind of those dynamics at play, because I don't think that we should retreat from cities.
		I think that American cities are some of the best in the world, maybe even the best in the world.
		We should be proud of that, and that they have become these like sort of, you know, oh, we don't really want to go there.
		That is actually a point of shame.
		We should not be happy about that.
		We should take our cities back and uh yeah, having somebody who has like the Star Wars last name be elected of uh the mayor of uh one of America's greatest cities 20 years after 9-11, I think is going to be a huge disgrace.
		I hope that our our Jewish patriots in New York can stop that from happening because I think that uh they're the only group that is still majority for uh Andrew Cuomo.
		Every other group in New York in terms of uh the electorate is by majority for uh this Mandani guy, except for the Jews who are still like 60% for Cuomo.
		So hey, let's see if we can make something happen there.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's a side note is um the uh the projections in Brooklyn is that it'll be as red as Alabama in the next 50 years because of the Hasidic birth rate, and they vote like dictatorial numbers for the Republican Party.
		That's neither here nor there.
		But um, well, to your point about sort of the the free stuff driving a lot of this.
		Um I was reading uh uh uh uh report from the CIS, the Center for Immigration Studies, just before you hopped on, and they pointed out I think it was 52% of the foreign born, so you're you know, immigrants, illegal immigrants, et cetera, are on welfare uh to some degree, uh some sort of government assistance versus 39% of Native Americans of U.S. citizens.
		And so there's I mean, this isn't just speculation, this is hard data.
		I mean, this completely eviscerates the immigration as our strength argument, does it not?
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		No, it absolutely doesn't.
		And that's too why the whole like trying to frame it in very safe language of the individual versus the collective is like wrong.
		Because when the immigrant is going to these cities and signing up without a second's hesitation to get all this free stuff paid for by Americans, the the idea behind collectivism is that we're focused on the collective, which implies a sense of sacrifice.
		Those people are doing that actually with extremely selfish intentions with no thought of how they're going to pay that back.
		So it's actually not collectivist at all.
		It's extremely individualist in that sense.
		Whereas if you go out into the sticks, you know, Red Town, where it's maybe more individualist in the sense that they don't want you like just loitering on their property.
		Those are still the people who would set time aside to stop and make sure that you're you're doing all right if you're pulled over on the side of the road.
		Those are like communities where you can have like uh, I don't know, you leave out your fresh picked fruit on the side of the road and people will deposit money and take what so in that sense, those are much more collectivist communities in the sense that they're higher trust, they can depend upon each other, they trust each other more.
		So I really hate that kind of language which keeps us on the Democrat plantation of not acknowledging that these people are alien to our society.
		They're literally foreigners, and yeah, when they're coming here, it's not because they want to, I don't know, participate in the American experiment or whatever.
		Like the American dream to them is just coming here and getting free stuff.
		They have no idea of how they're going to earn that free stuff, of how they're going to pay that free stuff back.
		It's just like in their mind, wealth is this sort of like magic that rewards some people and others it doesn't.
		And so, insofar as they can like say the correct combination of words and like cast a spell to get some of that wealth, like that's good for them, and so they're happy to do it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Zoran Mamdani.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Dude, literally, like the Patriot thinks that these people are like much more intelligent in their like thought processes than they actually are.
		Like, if you ask them, like, wait, but why should you be entitled to free stuff?
		They'll like look at you like you're crazy.
		Like, what do you mean?
		I just get free stuff.
		I think there were literally interviews, actually, uh somewhat pertinent to the Mamdani like candidacy where they were doing like man on the street stuff asking like his supporters, like, well, why should you get like free stuff paid for by the taxpayers?
		They're like, What do you mean?
		Like, why shouldn't I?
		What are you talking about?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think this is where the disconnect is maybe coming from for people who are otherwise conservative, but you know, kind of have this gratuitous sort of view of immigrants where they're saying, well, you know, they they they're here to work hard.
		So and I mean they do exist.
		I was saying earlier, I mean, I know, you know, some personally that obviously are here, they're hard workers, et cetera.
		But they are in a overwhelming minority, I would say.
		And I think this disconnect is occurring because it's a very American and broadly Western, but specifically American idea of you know, the pulling up by the bootstraps, right?
		Like this idea that we're all sort of temporarily embarrassed, embarrassed millionaires.
		I love that line, and it's true.
		But Americans like don't really like handouts, um, just instinctually.
		We've never been that way.
		So I think that's sort of the disconnect is coming.
		Because I think people have that view, uh, and they have this way that they carry themselves.
		So they attribute that to everyone, but that is not really the mindset of people that are arriving, especially over the last 50 to 60 years.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
		I actually uh have a good friend of mine who probably wouldn't mind me telling the story.
		We we know this person, but uh I won't I won't name drop them or anything, but his house burned down like two or three Thanksgivings ago, like literally just burned down.
		Uh, and they were offered all of this support from friends and neighbors, like, hey, let us like help you, let us give you money.
		And they refused all of it, like literally all of it, because it was understood that it is not good to like take handouts from people.
		And I understand that, like, you know, if you're in a really dire strait, there's no shame in like accepting help.
		However, the other side of that is there is a nobility in denying it, even when it would be acceptable, like to obviously like your house burned down, like you can accept some help and it's not gonna make you like, you know, a bad person or whatever.
		But there is a nobility in refusing that and you know, getting your own and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, which I know is something that like boomers wave in the faces of us because they had a a much easier time than we have it now.
		So I'm not discounting that, but I completely agree with what you're saying that like there's a certain mentality that is very unique to the American spirit, even maybe more so than than what is possessed in Europe in a lot of cases, where we believe in the frontier and we believe in that kind of like work ethic, and we believe in the sort of like this is why I love the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile, for example.
		It's gonna be like totally random.
		But that is like pure Americana because it's excess, it's capitalism, it's securing your fortune, and it's stupid, but it's like the same, you know, the guy that made like millions of dollars off like the pet rock.
unidentified		Yeah.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Like there's a sort of there's a uniquely American kind of just like, yeah, secure your fortune, Patriot, that is um sort of characterized in all of those instances.
		And when people are coming to this country, they might work hard because they're working on a construction site, or they're, I don't know, the day laborer at, you know, Lowe's or Home Depot, but it's just a different thing that is happening from the people who come to this country with nothing and don't just go work for someone else, but have an idea and secure their fortune with that.
		Um, and you're just not seeing that with these immigrant groups so much, and yeah, you'll have your like your Steve Jobs or whatever.
		But again, we can't concede that those people even exist because we are not in charge of the enforcement for how immigration works.
		If we say, okay, yeah, you can have immigrants because they're working hard, right?
		Then the people who want immigration because they want to destroy the country and use that as a political tool to do so, they'll say, Oh, yeah, sure, yeah, they'll work hard.
		And then they go and they literally facilitate the trafficking of these people in through the southern border, buy the millions, uh, they're getting money from the Russians, from the Chinese, from everybody to do this.
		So uh it's like we said at the beginning, like, yes, we acknowledge that these people do exist, we love them, that's great.
		However, it is in the best interest of Americans to just relax all of that right now and actually prioritize our citizens and our people over, you know, the well-being of the rest of the world.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
		Well, yeah, and I guess to kind of tie back to the first story, that's why I find the New York Times reporting on the voting rights act so offensive because they like they they try to posture it like it's this uniquely partisan attack on like some historic, you know, some historic uh pillar of American democracy or something.
		But it's the voting rights act is a very recent in the grand scheme of things recent thing.
		And this sort of discrimination against whites and this uplifting of of black Americans, like it's at the expense of white Americans because all those people in Alabama and Mississippi and Louisiana that would otherwise be represented are now losing their voice in Washington because of a top-down, you know, imposition on them.
		They're saying, no, you must have this race-based district.
		And I find it just personally offensive, just at a at a face level because it's it's DEI fundamentally.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		It is unconstitutional, and I I won't have it.
		I will not have it in our in our country.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so it's this is what I'm gonna get back to is like with the Trump administration, it's just so refreshing to see this reorient this reorientation um away from punishing white Americans for being white.
		That's just very refreshing.
		We're seeing it, we're seeing with the H1Bs, we're seeing it with immigration broadly with the refugee system overhaul, and then with the congressional black districts, but there's still a lot of people that are very critical of the Trump administration that for a variety of reasons.
		I mean, I'm seeing the football getting moved down the field, and I I know you're seeing that as well.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		I am seeing that as well.
		Um, I don't know what to say to those people.
		It's just like because at a certain point they are perceiving the situation to be that like Donald Trump has on the resolute desk a fix everything button, and he's simply refusing to press it because he secretly like hates us and wants us all to kill ourselves.
		And it's just like not true.
		I mean, you're talking about the United States government, like the Leviathan, and we are now involved in that, trying to just steer the ship in the right direction.
		And honestly, like I'm probably the biggest Trump shill working today, but even I have been surprised by how much progress this administration has made in less than a year.
		I mean, we have been racking up just so many like little victories and so many big victories, which I mean, by like three months in, we'd already eclipsed the first Trump administration, which I even then thought did you know a pretty good job, all things considered.
		So we're just running so many laps around the libs.
		Um, I can understand why you'd Want to be critical, and I have absolutely no problem with people being critical in good faith.
		But that's not what people like to do.
		Instead of saying, like, hey, you know, this is what they're talking about.
		Let's maybe do this because this is better, but we all are on the same team.
		Instead of doing that, they're actually insulting the president's integrity, uh, insulting his competence, accusing him of being stupid, corrupt, bot, whatever.
		And they're doing that because they are more interested in that narrative.
		It's more fun for them to believe that there's this like romantic Hollywood thing going on where there are these characters and betrayals and drama.
		Uh and in that sense, they're just like the people working in politics that are doing their, you know, their VEP or their West Wing fantasy.
		Like, they just like the sort of like theatrics of all of it, which is fine, but I would urge those people to take up maybe another hobby, uh, sports betting, uh, maybe, you know, you can still probably get into a fantasy league.
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john doyle ▲ ● ▼		They probably that'd probably be a little bit more of their speed than like, you know, this kind of thing, because clearly they're just confused.
		They're walking into walls all the time.
		Everything they predict ends up being wrong.
		Every analysis they give about how the world works ends up being wrong.
		And, you know, a person with some sort of like self-respect would maybe just, yeah, pick up another hobby.
		And so I would affectionately nudge them to consider that because this is clearly not working.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I think there are people that already had an axe to grind up Trump anyway, for for a variety of reasons.
		I mean, because there's guys, you know, there's like, you know, Tucker Carlson, or even guys like, you know, like Corey Mills, when they put out, you know, pieces or or statements, and you know, it does feel like it's they're on the same team.
		They're just kind of trying to maybe signal, like, hey, this could be a problem.
		Let's take a look at this.
		And that that's very and I like listening to those guys.
		I think they provide a lot of good analysis and and and whatnot.
		But yeah, we're addressing like a specific vein.
		Well, it's not really specific, it's actually a you know, large chunk of the right and left that are just dooming.
		And I always respond, I'm like, look, I I I went through this demographic makeup of New York City over time earlier.
		Donald Trump is from Jamaica Estates Queens, which is a place I know very well.
		I went to school around the corner.
		I could walk to his childhood home on Waverly.
		Like I know the area very well.
		And the makeup of that neighborhood is completely foreign now.
		It's it's majority immigrant, and even those second generation, you know, even the even people that aren't immigrants are second generation immigrants.
		So it's been a complete demographic overhaul.
		You're telling me Donald Trump, a guy that grew up there when it was like primarily like German and and Irish, doesn't know like what's going on.
		That just seems ludicrous to me.
john doyle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, he obviously knows what's going on, but again, people don't want to exercise a little bit of humility and think, well, what would I do were I in his position?
		And if you if you just ask yourself that question and then plug that into the statements he makes and the decisions he makes, everything like clears up in a very positive way.
		But if you sit back and just assume, well, if I were in his position, I actually would just be able to wave a magic wand and fix everything right now.
		Then it allows you to sort of entertain maybe your uh less desirable predispositions towards cynicism, assuming there's like some just conspiracy and he's like paid off or bought off or something.
		And that's against the rules, in my opinion.
		Like, you can criticize anybody all you want, but the second you start entertaining like this like attack on integrity for Trump specifically, that really just hits a nerve with me because it is objectively true that he's been through hell in the last decade.
		He got shot in the head.
		Yeah, it is objectively true that at any point he could have taken an off-ramp, probably before 2022, and he would have been allowed sort of a peaceful retirement.
		They probably would have let him keep some of his media legacy.
		They would have maybe said, like, ah, you know, that was a bad chapter, but we love the Donald.
		That easily could have been like a deal that could have been made were he to just drop out of this and allow for Republican politics to heal to it's like Mitt Romney state.
		But he never did that and he never gave up.
		So again, you can criticize him all you want, but the second you start taking that in a direction where it's like, well, actually, maybe he's just a sellout, maybe he doesn't have integrity, maybe he sold us out.
		Like that, that's against the rules.
		Like, you sorry, you can't do that if you want to have a seat at the table, in my opinion.
		Like we're supposed to maintain a certain level of good faith.
		That is what we do.
		And you can even beat the crap out of each other and still be doing that in good faith.
		Like, I understand that you want this and I want this, but I don't like the way you want it, so I'm gonna like break your nose.
		That is even okay.
		But the second you start entertaining this, like frankly third world is like conspiracy theorizing where you're like, Donald Trump has been bought and he sold us out, mahma.
		It's like you're doing that because you want the engagement from the lowest common denominator.
		It's not helpful, it's actually nefarious and subversive and yeah we just have no patience for that as we're trying to in a very short window of time with very high stakes write this ship in a way that can prevent us from being like completely obliterated if a democrat gets back into power.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Totally I mean because like even beyond all the stuff that we've seen like the shooting the political violence etc etc just at a base level the fact that the voting rights act even exists and the fact that it's even created these districts just shows the amount of slop that he has to clear out.
		I mean it's absolutely ridiculous I mean we saw we saw uh recently where he's trying to lay off or not like yeah he's trying to lay off a lot of these federal workers and a federal judge comes in and puts a two week stay on it a two week pause rather and you you see that and and I read I read the reasoning this judge gave what she gave um she was just like I don't like it.
		That was literally the reasoning she gave she didn't appeal to anything she just wanted an excuse to buy the basically buy the swamp two weeks to try and maybe outweigh and uh outweight the government shutdown and and close that window.
		So like the amount of just entrenched power he's up against it's like I mean guys let's you know let's let's take a step back here and give the guy a little a little grace a little time to cook.
		So but um yeah with that we're we're running a little low on time.
		We're coming to the end of the clock here.

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