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Oct. 21, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show

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Judge Rules DHS Agents CAN BE ARRESTED, Trump WINS On Right To Deploy National Guard

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A judge has ruled in Chicago that DHS agents can be arrested if they try to apprehend illegal immigrants without a warrant.
		Now, this is part of the ongoing lie and manipulation by the left, where they're playing what I would describe as a silly game of semantics.
		You see, in immigration courts, they operate under the executive branch.
		Judges still exist, but their executive branch judges because immigration is the sole purview of the executive branch.
		Got to go through the executive branch.
		So what the left has been doing is claiming they're not judicial warrants and that it's a violation of due process to enact the law the way it's written and has been.
		Let me put it like this.
		When Texas said we want to turn these illegal immigrants back, the Biden admin was like, you can't because we are in control of how this operates.
		Let them in.
		When the Trump admin says we are in control, just like Biden was, and we want to deport people, they said you can't.
		Not unless you get a judicial warrant, which is different from executive immigration warrants.
		So now this judge is basically saying that if these ICE guys try to arrest illegal immigrants, they can be arrested.
		And whether or not they will be, I would argue, yeah, probably because they already arrested the guy who became president and they want to put him in prison.
		What makes you think they wouldn't go after just a single federal agent?
		But Trump does still have some victories.
		A federal court has ruled Trump actually can deploy the National Guard in Portland.
		Illinois is another question, but this was accurately predicted by a friend of the show, Will Chamberlain, when he said the ruling was wrong.
		The judges blocking the Trump, the president, the Trump, President Trump from deploying these National Guard are wrong and it's going to get.
		uh overturned on appeal.
		And he was correct.
		Now we'll see where this goes if it eventually makes its way to the Supreme Court.
		We don't know.
		But they are still trying to combat this.
		It does seem as if everything is escalating quite a bit.
		If they actually start arresting federal agents, what do you think Trump does?
		Insurrection act?
		Honestly, I don't know, but I could only imagine escalation.
		We've got this Democrat who is proudly embracing the anti-foot name.
		Because the way things goes, my friend, uh, we're in a tribal conflict where politics and policy don't really matter that much.
		Where if if you're a Trump supporter and you're for something, someone will be against it.
		If you're a Trump supporter and you're against something, they will be for it.
		And I know it may seem silly to many of you, but uh there is a recent example where Brian Krasenstein posted a picture of him drinking liquid death.
		Because you know that I've been uh I had the debate with the CEO.
		This is not a political issue at all.
		In fact, if it was one, it would be a left-aligned political issue because I'm arguing in favor of consumer protections and the environment, but for some reason, this is the way it goes.
		If you're a Trump supporter against a problem, the Democrats will be for it.
		It's been that way since the beginning.
		The Babylon B's famous joke.
		In Genius Move, Donald Trump embraces impeachment, forcing Democrats to oppose.
		Because we all know it.
		It's a cult.
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	But let's get into that story with uh, but first I'd like to give a shout out to Steven Crowder and the mug club, the Rumble Morning lineup.
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	Here's a story from Breitbart.
	Chicago area judge rules ICE agents can be arrested at courthouses.
	The Chicago area judge has ruled that immigration and customs enforcement officers can be arrested at Cook County courthouses if they violate his orders and arrest a migrant without a warrant.
	U.S. District Judge Jeffrey Cummings ordered that ICE officers be barred from arresting migrants at courthouses if they don't have a warrant.
	He also ordered that federal law enforcement can be arrested if they violate his orders.
	I would just like to stress this is an egregious Overreach and it's insane.
	The judge's order aimed to prevent what are called collateral arrests of people whom ICE officers discover are illegal on the spot.
	These are migrants that ICE agents come across by happenstance while looking for someone, they have a warrant to apprehend.
	Cummings stated that courthouses must be places where witnesses and suspects feel safe.
	The fair administration of justice requires that courts remain open and accessible, and that litigants and witnesses may appear without fear of civil arrest.
	Imagine there's a murderer.
	Let's say they're like, we got it, we got a murder trial here.
	We're gonna bring in a witness.
	And that witness shows up dripping with blood and carrying a head.
	And you're like, it appears this man may have murdered somebody.
	I would like to arrest him.
	Hold on there, says the judge.
	Witnesses need to feel safe when they show up.
	Now, of course, I'm choosing an obvious hyperbolic example.
	Someone carrying a decapitated head around is a bit extreme.
	The point is, when you discover someone is in the process of committing a crime, you arrest them.
	So if they go to a courthouse and find that there are people here illegally, which is uh, what is it, eight uh eight USC 1324?
	I I I let me let me let me let me see, let me see if I can get this one.
	Uh HC Justice Manual, I have a default.
	1324, uh, related to aliens, indeed.
	So uh it's an offense for any person who uh entered or remains in the United States in violation of the law.
	It's an ongoing, it's it's an ongoing uh criminal uh uh criminal, yeah.
	It's it's it's it's illegal.
	Okay, there you go.
	Actually, I don't know if it would be 18 uh uh 1324 because that the judge would be in violation of that for protecting, aiding, abetting, or encouraging or inducing.
	But yeah, they're actively committing a crime.
	We voted for Trump to send these people home.
	That's all.
	That's it.
	Nothing mean about that.
	Judge Cummings also cited in his ruling.
	Arrests that have been made recently outside county courthouses where ICE has taken collateral migrants uh into custody.
	One thing seems clear.
	ICE rousted American citizens from their apartments during the middle of the night and detained them.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In zip ties, no less, for far longer than the brief period authorized by the operative regulation, he wrote.
		DHS said it intends to comply with all lawful court orders and addressing this matter with the court.
		However, DHS also defended its practice of taking collateral migrants into custody whenever they find them.
		We aren't some medieval kingdom.
		There are no legal sanctuaries where you can hide and avoid the consequences for breaking the law.
		DHS said in a statement.
		According to WBBM TV, nothing in the Constitution prohibits arresting a lawbreaker where you find them.
		And that's the point, my friends.
		This judge has no authority to say this.
		None.
		If ICE agents are at the courthouse and they see someone committing a crime, they can arrest them.
		It's their jurisdiction, they're federal agents, and they see someone breaking the law.
		What other argument is there?
		I mean, is this the singular crime where this judge says you're allowed to be actively committing it and you can't be arrested?
		Okay, let's let's throw the decapitated head scenario because it's hyperbolic, right?
		Let's throw it out the window.
		Let's say someone literally takes a hammer and bashes court property, federal government property.
		Is the judge gonna be like, now he's in the active commission of a crime, but he needs to feel safe as a witness?
		No, that's ridiculous.
		There is no special crime you can commit.
		We are not going to get charged as uh or face commensurate response from the government seeking to enforce that action.
		That's stupid.
		Now, Trump does have some victories, and this is big because it likely will come around to affect Illinois after the fact.
		The Washington Post says Trump can deploy National Guard troops to Portland, appeals court says.
		Oregon Attorney General urges the full appeals court to review the decision while the governor says the fight is not over.
		A divided three judge panel with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit on Monday blocked a lower court's ruling that prohibited the Trump administration from sending troops into the city.
		I'm gonna pause right now and just say, guys, I don't care.
		I'm I'm sick of playing this game.
		I'm thinking about, you know, you've got Will Chamberlain, smart feller, said that uh when they blocked Trump's uh ability to uh deploy National Guard, he said the Ninth Circuit's gonna over overturn this on appeal.
		It's ridiculous.
		He was correct.
		But why?
		Why are we playing this stupid game?
		I don't get it.
		It really is a dumb game.
		Like we know Trump can, and they're pretending like he can't.
		We all know that Trump's gonna win, and then he does.
		What is this?
		Seriously, it feels like a game.
		Democrats are like, I'm not touching you.
		I'm not touching you.
		And we're like, this is stupid.
		This is a waste of all of our time.
		It's it's it's you know, I suppose the sad reality is it is only a facsimile of what once was.
		When we asked the courts to answer questions we did not know the answers to.
		The Supreme Court still does that quite a bit.
		We have our arguments.
		But this one's patently obvious.
		The same thing with Illinois.
		They said that the judge, the federal judge there says Trump can federalize the National Guard, but he can't deploy them.
		That's contradictory.
		Federalizing the National Guard puts them under the command of Donald Trump and deployment is rudimentary, basic.
		If he said he can't order them to like shoot a guy or something, you'd be like, okay, well, that's he's he's questioning the extent of the president's authority.
		But to say that the president can assume command of the National Guard, but cannot tell them to walk somewhere is insane.
		Sure, Trump's in command, but he can literally give no commands.
		That why are we playing this stupid game?
		It is tribalism.
		The left is gonna say Trump no no matter what, even when they know the answer is yes, and Trump is gonna play the game back because there's some attempt at proving legitimacy or something.
		I guess it's a PR game, sure.
		In a statement Monday, Oregon Attorney General Dan Rayfield urged the full appeals court to review the decision.
		He said the ruling, if allowed to stand, would give the president unilateral power to put Oregon soldiers in the streets with almost no justification.
		We're on a dangerous path for America.
		Almost none.
		There's violent riots happening.
	What a stupid absurdity.
	In a news conference Monday, Governor Tina Kotec said that in a move to deploy troops to Portland represented a gross unamerican abuse of power.
	She said that a set a second temporary restraining order still prevented National Guard troops from being deployed in the state.
	The fight is not over.
	Look at this.
	DC, Memphis, LA, Portland, Shreveport, Baton Rouge, Nolans.
	In the order released Monday afternoon, a two to one majority on the panel said it was likely that Trump acted lawfully and federalized the National Guard during protests in Portland over immigration enforcement.
	The order said the judge who blocked Trump from deploying those troops, troops there, accorded no defense to the president's determination that he could not execute federal laws with regular forces.
	Trump's statements about deploying troops have prompted intense opposition from many state and local leaders.
	This we understand, my friends.
	I introduce you to what's called the protective principle.
	Longstanding precedent that the president can deploy military National Guard, military or National Guard, for the purpose of protecting federal property.
	That's not law enforcement.
	The argument was this.
	Question, can Trump federalize National Guard?
	The answer?
	Yes.
	He has plenary powers to do so.
	That doesn't mean he can make up fake reasons.
	It means under the traditional auspices of government.
	It means when Trump has law enforcement or executive branch duties, he can do this.
	He can't nationalize uh, I'm sorry, a federalize the National Guard to like, I don't know, work on a private business or to juggle bananas.
	There's there's limits to what is is actually considered to be legal.
	Trump can.
	So the question is if that is the case, can Trump then deploy National Guard or uh military who are already under his purview?
	The answer is yes, of course.
	They just can't enforce domestic law.
	That's posicomitatus.
	However, if in the course of their standard non-law enforcement deployment, they face a threat, they are allowed to defend themselves.
	Thus created the protective principle.
	The military can be deployed to federal buildings, and if violent extremists attack them, they can respond and defend themselves, which includes detainment.
	They're not going to arrest the individuals, they turn them over to federal law enforcement to do so.
	They are now arguing this doesn't exist, and that's fine.
	It's not been challenged in Supreme Court as far as I understand.
	And so it could be.
	But the argument that Trump can't deploy the National Guard is an absurdity.
	He absolutely can.
	On Monday, California filed an amicus brief opposing Trump's efforts in that case.
	In the filing, California said federalized members of a state National Guard had been deployed to Illinois.
	California also said it is it has a substantial interest in the outcome.
	This we get.
	Now, I'll tell you this, my friends, we'll see.
	But there's only one question here.
	Is this a legitimate exercise of force?
	Well, Take a look at this.
	Democrat Senate candidate embraced Antifa Super Soldier label.
	Yeah.
	This is a main Democratic Senate candidate backed by Bernie.
	He wrote in 2020 that he had an antifa super soldier label on his armor, according to an archived post reviewed by Axios.
	He's running for to unseat Susan Susan Collins.
	She's an she's awful.
	I mean, she's probably gonna lose because she's awful.
	In an October 2020 post on Reddit, Platinum complimented a business and noted this anti-f a super soldier label on his armor, likely a reference to tactical gear, like using the military.
	He said, keep it the good fight.
	Republicans could use Platner's comments about Antifa, shorthand on the left or anti-fascist.
	That's a misleading statement.
	Antifa is has become a proper noun to attack him in a general election.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	The point is, whatever they are, we aren't.
	Whatever we are, they aren't.
	That's the name of the game.
	Take a look at this story.
	Part of White House is reduced to rubble.
	Trump's ballroom will rise in its place.
	Liberals are apoplectic.
	Donald Trump is tearing down parts of the White House to build a ballroom.
	So what?
	It has been done by numerous presidents throughout history.
	They've expanded and altered the White House.
	The creation of the Oval Office, the creation of the West Wing, etc., etc.
	Trump is saying, let's put in a ballroom.
	Sounds like a great idea.
	I mean, actually, you want a place where you can entertain foreign dignitaries, princes, kings, politicians, prime ministers, or otherwise, and you want to create a space by which you can have formal gatherings with large groups of people.
	That sounds wonderful.
	A ballroom is the restoration of decorum.
	And I'm the one who criticized Trump in the past of lacking decorum.
	I actually think this is a great representation of honor, integrity, and nobility of the American people, which could be anyone who rises to the ranks and wins that election.
	It's beautiful, isn't it?
	They're acting like it's the apocalypse.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If Trump does it, it's bad.
		Period.
		This is where we are.
		Let me walk you through some of these realities.
		Violent symbolism.
		Threats steal the show at nationwide no kings protest.
		You saw it all.
		We've talked about it.
		You've got this lady pointing to her neck and saying bang bang.
		Gloating.
		Gloating, not just celebrating, gloating that they murdered Charlie Kirk.
		Why would you do that?
		You know, Fetterman came out with a great statement.
		He's a Democrat and he's consistently tried to play this game.
		He votes poorly.
		But he always says, guys, stop.
		He's like, I got friends who voted for Trump.
		They're not Nazis.
		They're not fascists.
		This is crazy.
		I praise the man.
		We can disagree.
		You can vote like a lunatic.
		But when we have a conversation about what we disagree on, that's the point.
		Now don't get me wrong, I think his voting pattern is bad.
		But if he's going to sit down and have a conversation and say you're not a Nazi, I get it.
		And turn the volume down, I respect it.
		We should all strive to be like Fetterman.
		Instead, this is what we get.
		It's not just this.
		Take a look at this.
		You may have seen this before, I'm sure you did, but in the context of uh immigration, I think we should play it.
unidentified		You've got to grab a guns.
		We gotta turn around the guns on this fascist system.
		These ICE Asians gotta get shot and wiped off.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Today we're gonna talk about.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		We get it.
		The joke about Figaro Fine.
		Homeland Security said during the Chicago No Kings rally this previous weekend.
		Violent writers called for the cold-blooded murder of ICE agents.
		This writer and his statements have been referred to the DOJ.
		Yeah, he's going to prison.
		I mean, you you this is this is direct incitement to violence.
		This is sedition.
		This is insurrection.
		There is no place in America for psychotic incitements of unlawful violence against ICE or CBP.
		To those who threaten violence against us, we will hunt you down, we will find you, and justice will be served.
		I'll now play the uh the back portion from DHS where they make their joke.
unidentified		And wiped off.
		Today we're gonna talk about how we can find out and how much we can find out.
		The more you f around, the more you're gonna find out.
		Sign up the craziest means he's gonna be so right.
		I send up to grab a gun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
unidentified		We gotta turn around the guns on this fascist system.
unidentified		These ICE Asians gotta get shot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jeez.
		Guys, I uh I can't believe where we're at.
		You know, yesterday we talked about this uh in the morning show.
		Uh uh an accountant from Atlanta.
		That's it.
		Got so incensed when he saw a Trump sign he tried to murder the homeowner.
		Simple version of the story.
		He tried to murder him.
		Bullet hit a few feet away from where the homeowner was sitting on his porch.
		Because this guy driving down a rural road in the middle of nowhere, North Carolina, no disrespect to the rural North Carolina, but come on, this guy's from Atlanta.
		And why was he up there?
		He sees this sign, vandalizes it.
		The homeowner fires two warning shots.
		Again, don't do that.
		That's not a real thing.
		But he did.
		This guy goes back to his vehicle, grabs his gun, and unloads on the front of the house, trying to kill him.
		Trying to kill him.
		That's where we are in this country.
		So this is the No Kings protest.
		Let me show you what they're saying.
		LA Times letters to the editor.
		Readers across Southern California share their experience, the No Kings rallies.
		What do you think it says?
		After the rally, uh, I wish to share with my Angelino friends and former neighbors my experiences.
		Among my fellow marchers were a woman in her 40s on crutches with a boot, a paraplegic boy about 12 in a wheelchair, his parents, several elderly folks using canes or walkers.
		After the rally, I congratulated two elderly women.
		The eldest one told me I wanted to march twice before, but I figured the third time was the charm.
		I was only able to go three blocks today, but I'm so glad I did.
		One person says, I'm an 82-year-old who protested at the No Kings rally.
		I served our country for 44 years, beginning with designing landing trajectories for the Apollo to the Moon, Galileo to Jupiter.
		We had thousands that are no kings protests in LA.
		All were peaceful.
		Now I get it.
		None of us on the right are under any illusions, there aren't peaceful protesters.
		I actually described the protest as mostly peaceful.
		You get the joke.
		But there were violent riots, and that's what our concern is, because these people ignore them.
		Instead of saying something like, We recognize there was violence and that should be condemned.
		Let us share with you the experiences of those who chose not to be violent while so we can explain what should be.
		I respect that.
		Instead, what we often get is from the media just acting like the violence is not happening.
		The left says it's not happening, the right is more violent, etc., etc.
		But what we're getting from this is a couple different things.
		You've got the media presenting one picture to the left.
		Now the right understands people march peacefully.
		They make fun of them.
		They say your arguments are dumb.
		We've seen numerous individuals like Nick Shirley, Nate Friedman, Cam Higby, they go on the ground and they've been talking to protesters who are peaceful.
		So these guys aren't getting attacked.
		But a lot of these protesters are peaceful and they'll answer questions and they get made fun of for having bad answers.
		And the left does it to the right as well.
		But then you get these violent riots.
		And the reason why the right focuses on that is because it's bad and that's what we don't want.
		Peace peaceful protests, fine, I don't care.
		Let me show you this.
		This is a guy who was dancing with a MAGA hat on at No Kings.
		And they attack him.
		They attacked him.
unidentified		Excuse me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		I got it all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me just show you again what he was doing.
		He's not talking to anybody.
		He's minding his own business, wearing a MAGA hat.
		He puts his camera down.
unidentified		Hey.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he dances.
unidentified		Oh, oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They attack him.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why did they attack him?
		This is political bifurcation.
		And there's actually a really great tweet, which um that I want to highlight.
		Uh, not this one.
		I think it might be here because it makes no sense.
		This is a picture of Brian Krasenstein.
		I think it's Brian, right?
		Drinking liquid death.
		Now, some of you have no idea what this means, and some of you do.
		Now, I know a lot of you don't really care all that much about the liquid death thing that's going on.
		You know, uh, my my issues with the company and the CEO's losing his mind, but uh, I'll give you the quick gist and I'll explain this first.
		So I've I've taken issue with liquid death for some time because they say on their on their cans death to plastic, but the can is effectively a plastic bottle wrapped in aluminum.
		Now, don't get me wrong, they use less plastic than water bottles.
		But I basically said you can't say death to plastic and infinitely recyclable, and then sell people a plastic product they don't know they're buying.
		That's deceptive.
		This resulted in a debate, and now the CEO won't stop tweeting at me, and there's like a flame war on Accent.
		I think it's funny.
		Liquid Death is a company that uses satanic imagery in their marketing.
		They had a witch doctor curse their water supply.
		They've done campaigns where they tell people to sell your soul for a free can of water, and then you've got to buy it back or something like that.
		And it's silly marketing, but a lot of Christians have been offended by it and stopped purchasing the product.
		Brian Krasenstein posted a photo, most likely drinking liquid death, saying I love liquid death in response to the fact that I and many others took issue with the fact that they were deceiving their customers.
		The CEO admitted that he had a portion of his customer base.
		Some people have told me what do you say on the show?
		It's like 20%.
		It was so small.
		They genuinely thought they were buying a plastic free product.
		Okay, so this is the point.
		I got to understand some of you are like, we don't care about can or bottled water, whatever.
		The point is this.
		My beef with liquid death, while inane and stupid, whatever you guys think is about deceptive marketing, consumer protections, charitable contributions, lies about other products to benefit their brand and make money to profit to trick people into paying a premium.
		It is consumer protection and environmentalism.
		Why would Brian Krasenstein side with a company that is accused of lying to people for profit while producing plastics and pollution?
		Why isn't he on my side?
		He agrees with this, right?
		It doesn't matter.
		Brian is against whatever I am for, and he is for whatever I am against.
		So it doesn't matter what the actual debate over liquid death is.
		It doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong.
		What matters is Tim Poole criticized liquid death, so the liberals have to be for it.
		I have never criticized liquid death over their satanic images.
		I actually think it's a silly marketing campaign.
		Christians have taken issue with it.
		And I've pointed out, I literally tweeted, it's a silly marketing campaign.
		I don't think anyone's really offended by it.
		In fact, we had this conversation in our debate.
		And he said it's a minimum, it's a it's a minor amount of people that are concerned about our marketing gimmicks.
		And I'm like, yeah, I don't really care about that.
		I mean, I'm not a fan, but whatever, it doesn't mean anything.
		Now, if if the Krasensteins of the Army Liberals are going to be like, we want to support them because they're anti-Christian.
		Okay, it's tribalism, right?
		Now, of course, he may just say, I have no idea what you're talking about.
		I said, come on.
		The press right now around liquid death, the incessant tweets is the beef that I've been having with the guy.
		I think it's reasonable to conclude he's posting this simply to be tribally antagonistic.
		I give this example because it's the stupidest.
		I understand many of you are saying, who cares?
		That's dumb.
		That's the point.
		Why does he care enough to make a post like this?
		So what you end up seeing is you, a Trump supporter, conservative, libertarian or otherwise, or even disaffected liberal, can literally come out and say something like, uh, I'm pro-choice.
		I just think there should be should be some limits, and and these people will attack you for it.
		That's how we've gotten to this degree of insanity.
		A great example, of course, is when we had Matt Bender on a progressive, Seamus Coglin, Seamus Coglin, anti-abortion, 100%.
	Tim Pool, you know, it's hard to describe.
	I would say traditional pro-choice, right?
	There's got to be limitations within a certain amount of weeks, but I have I have concerns about medical decisions being made by courts and the amount of time it requires.
	I think abortion is wrong, as contraception.
	Termination of pregnancy for a legitimate medical reason, I don't think should go through writ of judge.
	It's a challenge.
	No easy answer.
	Matt Binder said abortion should be allowed at any point, and he called me pro-life for saying I agree that abortion should be allowed at a certain limit.
	That's how insane it's become.
	The real argument is everyone thinks abortion is contraception is actually wrong.
	But the left just says, whatever the right is for, we're against.
	Whatever they're against, we are for.
	That's how insane things have become.
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	Violent symbolism.
	Threats steal the show at the nationwide no kings protest.
	Many of you have already seen this video.
	It's from the DHS.
	It's from a no kings liberal.
	This is not Antifa.
	This is not some fringe extremist.
	This is mainstream liberal protest in daylight on a microphone.
	Listen to this.
unidentified		We've got to grab a gun.
		We got to turn around the guns on this fascist system.
		These ICE agents gotta get shot and wiped off.
		All right.
		Today we're going to talk about how we can find out and how much we can find out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is DHS pointing out at a Chicago No Kings rally.
		This man called for ICE agents to be shot.
		We've heard reports out of Oregon and Illinois that local police are collecting evidence to criminally charge and arrest federal agents.
		In California, Newsom says, take your mask off, otherwise you will be criminally charged misdemeanor starting January 1st.
		And a Chicago judge says ICE agents can be arrested at courthouses.
		Because this one crime is now protected.
		Well, I've got a lot to ask about this because I'm concerned about the escalation.
		We're going to bring in, we've got Tom Human.
		Let me fix it.
		There we go.
		Tom Homan will be joining us.
		Let's uh get it going.
		Pull it up.
		We are currently.
unidentified		THS agents can be arrested and Trump wins on right to deployment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We pulled you in.
		We can hear you now.
		Can you hear me?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Well, hey, how are you doing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh I'm doing pretty well.
		Actually, how are you doing?
		I think it's actually an important question considering the violence and and the threats.
		How are you doing?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right.
		Look, it's uh it's a tough job, but uh I'm not going anywhere.
		And who won't keep doing what we're doing?
		I mean, they're not going to stop us from uh keeping President Trump's promise, make this country safe for giving, arrest those here illegally, and that's exactly what we're doing.
		We're gonna keep doing it.
		We did it, we're gonna do it today, we're gonna do it tomorrow, especially in sanctuary cities.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Well, just uh I think most people do know who you are.
		Do you want to give a brief overview of your role uh in in immigration enforcement, what your job is?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Well, look on the on the border zone of President Trump.
		I report directly to President Trump.
		Uh he brought me on to do three things.
		Number one, secure the border.
		Number two, oversee the biggest deportation operation this country seeing.
		And three, find over, you know, the 300,000 reportedly missing children that the last administration released on better sponsors to find those kids.
		That's the three pillars.
		I I got marms wrapped around, and that's what I'm doing every day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of stories that I a lot, I got a lot of questions.
		You know, we've got this the threats to arrest federal agents, but I'll start here.
		This viral video from Chicago at the No Kings protest.
		What it's a man saying that people should buy guns and shoot ice agents.
		What's terrifying about this, I think people need to understand is this is not, it appears some far-left extremist in a basement plotting a terror attack.
		This appears to be a run-of-the-mill mainstream liberal guy in broad daylight at a massive liberal protest organized by NGOs on a microphone calling for people to kill federal agents.
		I'm I I uh I I think it's obvious the DOJ is gonna go after him, but I'm curious your thoughts on this this degree of escalation, what you think should happen, and what do you think will happen?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I said back in March, I think in March, I said if the hay for rhetoric didn't get tamped down, there was gonna be bloodshed, someone's going to die.
		Now I was hoping I'd be wrong, but I wasn't, right?
		So we had three shootings just in Texas alone, where uh one gunman attacked the board patrol training facility.
		He ended up being killed by the uh wartech agents inside episode.
		Another one, they had a group of people show up at uh at a processing center detention center outside of Dallas, a group of them, and uh local law enforcement responded to assist our agents, and he was shot in the neck.
		Uh, then we had the shooting in Dallas where a sniper uh intended to shoot ice agents shooting into a black belt van that was transporting detainees and kill detainees.
		So and and so unfortunately I was right, and I'll say it again.
		If the Reddit doesn't stop, there will be more bloodshed.
		I've seen this movie before.
		And I actually thought after these three incidents, that maybe the hardcore left that is pushing the same for rhetoric was stop when they see the consequences of this of this rhetoric, but they haven't.
		They doubled down.
		That was evidence this weekend in the No Kings protest.
		And it's and what the storage went, look, there's always nuts on both sides, but I'm not really concerned as much with the nuts on the left with the rhetoric as I am with members of Congress, governors, mayors, elected members of Congress who want to vilify ICE for enforcing the laws that Congress enacted.
		Right, right?
		ICE isn't out there making this up.
		They're enforcing laws that were acted in the into in the federal statute.
		They are funded, appropriated by Congress to enforce these laws.
		So people don't like what ICE is doing.
		I've said this a lot of times.
		Go protest Congress.
		Tell them to change the laws.
		But for any member of Congress, for any mayor or governor who wants to push this hateful rhetoric, I find it hard to believe because I think I find it hard to believe that they they just get just continue to do this.
		Because I would think the number one responsibility of any member of Congress, any mayor, any governor is protection of the communities.
		And ICE is out, they're concentrating on public safety threats, the worst first.
		And the data clearly shows that's exactly what they're doing.
		Approximately 70% of everybody arrests, it's a criminal.
		So every criminal alien they take out of that neighborhood makes that neighborhood safer.
		So why can't we be shoulder to shoulder on that and make this country safer?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm I'm actually going to quote you on this one from that uh viral clip you had when being questioned by AOC.
		First, I'll I'll I'll clarify uh uh with respect, the 70% number for for most people, you're referring to these are these are violent criminals who, on top of being illegal immigrants, have committed more serious crimes.
		But uh just to throw it back to what you said in that hearing, entering the country illegally is a crime.
		100% of these people are being arrested for a crime they committed.
		And the majority, 70%, you're you're saying it's more serious crimes than just illegal entry.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, they're they're public safety threats, right?
		Entering the country, you're right, correct.
		Entering the country legally is a crime.
		So in fact, they've all committed crimes.
unidentified		100%.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		But we're talking a public safety threat.
		We're I want to separate the public safety threats because that shows that President Trump's keeping this promise to American people that we're concentrating on the worst first.
		We're concentrating those public safety threats who endanger life in our communities.
		So that is what we're going to keep pushing for.
		The left can keep saying we're out there arresting.
		I saw Brown and Black people.
		It's just ridiculous because ICE has arrested people from 181 different countries.
		That's not that's almost every country in the world.
		We rest people from Europe.
		We arrest people from Asia.
		We arrest people from Central and South America.
		So it's not about brown and black people, it's about criminals.
		It's about public safety threats.
		And look, 70% criminal, who's the other 30%?
		Many of them are national security threats.
		Most national security threats don't have a criminal history because they're late, they're they're laying low to do their dirty deed down the road, right?
		A lot of them, a lot of who we arrested are fugitives.
		They had due process at great taxpayer expense.
		A federal judge ordered them deported, but rather than leave, they became a fugitive.
		You're damn right we're looking for them.
		We're enforcing laws, and our jobs to execute those final orders because the message we're going to send to the whole world, it's not okay to enter this country illegally.
		It's not okay to commit a crime after you hear illegally.
		And finally, it's not okay to ignore the federal judges' orders.
		We're going to look for you, remove you.
		We want to send that message to the whole world.
		There are consequences.
		And one of the reasons we have the most secure border in the history of the nation right now is because of President Trump's executive orders and his leadership.
		Two, the men and women of Borbachil who stand on that line enforcing law, and three, the consequences, over a thousand ICE teams are on the streets every day.
		We're showing the whole world, if you got by, if you get by, we're looking for you.
		And that stops many, many people from using their whole entire life savings, putting the hands of criminal cartels to take that journey.
		The actions of ICE is one of the reasons we had the most secure border in history of this nation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You you brought up these uh terror attacks on ICE facilities.
		Uh Chicago, there were a handful of vehicle rammings.
		We saw uh the the initial story was rather shocking where the vehicles reportedly surrounded.
		This uh this woman rams the uh I'm not sure if it was ICE or CBP, but they got out returned, they opened fire on the woman.
		I read reports that Chicago police were instructed to clear the area and not provide assistance.
		And then we heard that gang members in Chicago are being offered bounties to kill ICE agents, DHS agents, CBP or otherwise, and that Mexican gangs are now increasing that.
		It it feels like with the institutional opposition in Illinois combined with the gang presence, that it's getting pretty dangerous for our for our federal law enforcement agents that you know, as you mentioned, the duly elected popular president won the popular vote, has asked these men to care at the law as the will at the will of the voter, and now they're facing criminal threats and institutional opposition.
		Do you have concerns about the escalation in Chicago particularly with these bounties and these threats?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		And uh every night before I go to sleep, I pray that every man and woman of Borbitro and ICE go home to their families.
		I also pray that um those are arresting.
		No one dies.
		Um the bounties placed on Bor Patrol and ICE is an escalation.
		And and look, the the criminal cartels in Mexico, they're hurting, right?
		On the last four years, when the borders wide open, they were making record amount of money in smuggling aliens.
		A record amount of money and sex trafficking of women and children, a record amount of money moving dope across that border, specifically found all that killed a quarter million Americans.
		Now we have the most secure border in in our lifetime.
		These cartels are hurting.
		Matter of fact, they're looking at expanding operations in Asia and Europe because they know it's tough here.
		So look, you're attacking the very people who's affecting their bottom line, that the money they're making.
		And we all know gangs here in the United States help distribute narcotics for the cartels.
		I mean, the cartels used to just be in charge of smuggling the drugs into the country and go to the cities and be distributed.
		Now the cartels have a presence in the United States in every major city of this country to take over the interior operations of the distribution with those major cities.
		So, yeah, taking on ice, threatening ICE and Borvatrol agents, they're trying to protect their bottom line to open up that business uh opportunity again.
		But I got news for them, the men and women of ICE and Borgetrock will keep doing this job.
		They're under great threat.
		Uh, but you know, they're they're standing up and and putting a gun under hip every day, putting that Kevlar vest on to do what this country needs them to do, enforce the laws and remove these public safety threats.
		The job's always been dangerous.
		It's a lot more dangerous now, but I haven't talked to one ICE agent or one Borbature agent that wants to stop and go away because of threats.
		They're doubling down, they're tripling down.
		They're not let the cartels decide how this country operates.
		They're not gonna let the cartels threaten them and not enforcing law.
		They're going to do the right thing.
		Because I tell you, we with a half a million arrests already.
		Look at look at how much safer this nation is under President Trump's leadership.
		Look what he did to Washington, D.C., what he's doing in Memphis, right?
		What we're doing in Chicago, what we're doing in Portland.
		I mean, we're making these these communities safer again.
		And the men and women of ICE and Borbitro, they now get to do their job that they weren't able to do for four years.
		The morale's at an all-time high.
		We're no one's going to stop them from doing what they've been uh to do to do what they they swore an oath to do, and that they believe needs to be done because these men and women are patriots and they're going to keep doing this job every day despite the hate, despite the threats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm from Chicago.
		I grew up there.
		I spent uh my first 23 years there.
		Uh a couple of months in between, I had you know briefly visited other places, but 23 years in Chicago before I left.
		And a lot of it had to do with crime and opportunity.
		I have friends from the city still, I've known my whole life, and I even employed some and moved them out here to work with me on the shows that we do.
		And I asked them growing up, we had criminal gangs threatening us, robbing us.
		It was just uh the way of life in Chicago.
		You have gun violence.
		And I said, uh what do you think when you see these these DHS guys or the National Guard?
		What's laughter?
		It's is this a joke?
		For for me, I can imagine walking down the street and I see these videos of these CBP guys walking down the street.
		I'd be like, howdy, officers.
		And I'd keep walking, and I'd I wouldn't think twice.
		If if someone asked me, you know, were I still living there?
		Part of the reason why I got away from it, I I've been shot at for no reason.
		Would you Prefer federal law enforcement patrolling Chicago to keep it safe, I'd say it's about time the mayor asked for help from the federal government to deal with the hundred years of violence the city's been going through.
		So what's crazy to me now is we see this political move, these Democrats are acting like it's an invasion, it's evil, it's wrong.
		They are opposing law enforcement that's actually keeping the city safer.
		You, you as a citizen of Chicago have literally nothing to fear as a resident.
		But what do we end up seeing at the Broadview facility, which is just slightly west of Chicago proper, a judge ruled that these agents that the ICE facility had to remove the barricades, protecting them from violent rioters who have been harassing and attacking law enforcement now for what is it, weeks.
		I'm curious your thoughts on this this institutional level.
		You mentioned, you know, you got to follow the rules, the orders of these judges, and ICE did.
		They took the barriers down, even at great risk for themselves.
		What do you think of the institutional opposition?
		It it feels like they're opposing you for the sake of opposing you, and they're making things less safe.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are making less things less safe, and I think it's a coordinated attack.
		Look, they do not want President Trump to be successful.
		Every day we're out there, uh, you know, they they keep attacking men and women, Iceland Borgo, and this administration.
		Bottom line is for the last four years, over 10.5 million illegal aliens came to our southern border.
		Vast majority released in the United States.
		Now that President Trump is pulling the curtain back, I'll know they weren't properly vetted.
		Look how many criminals they released, public safety touch release, and we're wrestling and taking them out.
		We have a secure border now when they claim for the last four years the border was secure.
		They want President Trump to fail because if President Trump succeeds, which he's doing, that pulls the curtain back in the last four years of an open border, uh, a lawless uh immigration system where ICE agents were not allowed to enforce immigration law.
		Border patrol agents were not allowed to enforce immigration law on the border.
		So now we're back to work.
		We're doing right now what people haven't seen in four years.
		So I think a lot more in shock because now we're actually back there doing what we've done for decades.
		What we're doing right now is no different than what we've done for decades, other than the problem is so big because the millions of people, many of them criminals they released in the United States.
		We need the help of DEA and FBI and Secret Service and ATF.
		We need the help of National Guard to come and protect our federal buildings, to protect our officers.
		It's because the problem has been so big.
		What the American people are seeing right now is that the problem the Biden administration created is so big that President Trump, in a genius move, said, okay, it's going to take all the government to fix this.
		It's going to take all the government to make this community safe again.
		That's exactly what you're seeing.
		But don't let anybody fool you.
		The pushback on the all these politicians on the left, don't let Trump succeed.
		We can't give him a win.
		And that's and that's our number one concern.
		It's not about the safety and security that communities are responsible for.
		I've said this many times, and I mean it.
		They hate Trump more than they care about the community because they really care about the danger in the communities.
		You want all law enforcement working together.
		No stove pipes.
		Local law enforcement works for federal law enforcement.
		I think we learned that during after 9-11 that there should be no stove pipes.
		Law enforcement should work with law enforcement.
		Let's remember who the terrorists were in 9-11.
		Many of them were non-criminal aliens that are here unlawfully.
		So we're going to keep doing this job.
		President Trump's going to keep his promise, but I don't think they're going to stop.
		I think they don't want Trump to succeed.
		And every day he succeeds, it just irritates them, and they're going to push back that much more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You said uh you think they hate Trump, uh, what did you hate they hate Trump more than they they care about?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		They hate Trump more than they care about the security of the communities.
		Because if I was a mayor and I got federal law enforcement coming to me and said, Look, I don't want you to be an immigration officer.
		I'm not asking you to be an immigration officer.
		But we want your law enforcement to work on our law enforcement to remove public safety threats who are here illegally from your neighborhoods, making that neighborhood safe again.
		Anybody in the right mind would say, yeah, yeah, let's make the community safe again.
		That's the number one responsibility.
		But they're saying no.
		Why would they say no about assistance for other law enforcement, make the community safer?
		This is politics.
		That's all it is.
		It is not public safety, this is politics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's because they don't care about the community.
		And, you know, you you don't have to agree with me because maybe you'll be a little bit more diplomatic, but Having grown up in Chicago, what I found is 100 years of uh entrenched Democrat political rule.
		They have never solved the problems of homelessness, poverty, gang violence, gun violence.
		I had a debate with a liberal about sending in the National Guard, sending in federal law enforcement, which I support.
		I don't live there anymore, but I do support it.
		We had an area in Chicago on the South Side called the LeClair Courts, which is a historic gang territory.
		The city could have dealt with it by asking the feds, bringing the National Guard, securing the community for those that were not criminals, which was 99%.
		You know what they did instead?
		They bulldozed all their homes and told them, don't worry, we'll rebuild it, and never did.
		That was the policy of Democrats.
		So forgive me if I'm being a little bit more political.
		I think the attitude of these politicians is extract what you can, trick as many people into supporting you.
		If it really was about helping keep the community safe, if they cared in any way, they would have called Trump the moment he got in office and said, we are ready and waiting for your assistance to help us with this crime.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Look, I'm not, I don't think we disagree with one another.
		You bring a different perspective, but me being a cop since you know 1980, 1983, I find it hard to believe the law enforcement don't want to work with law enforcement.
		That's not the world I grew up in.
		That's not the country I grew up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're barred from doing it.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		And I and I think uh I think the line officers, when last time I was in Chicago, we're doing operations, and we stopped at a couple of precincts to, you know, to do a nature call.
		And every uniform walked up to me, shook my hand, and thanked me for being there.
		The frontline officers, I think that want to do the right thing, they're happy we're there.
		It's the politicians.
		It's it's the folks that you know have an agenda.
		And I think it's I think it's an anti-Trump agenda, but I'm not going to disagree with you about do the local politicians really care about in the neighborhood.
		You bring different perspective than that as a career cop, though.
		I just can't believe people aren't letting cops work for cops.
		I just, it's not the world I grew up in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I that's it's you know what I think.
		I think in Chicago, especially the the issues, their wedge issues they can use to keep getting elected by claiming they're the only ones who can solve it.
		But one thing we just saw is uh uh a U.S. district court judge ruled that ICE agents can be arrested if you apprehend what's called the collateral, the collateral arrests.
		They find migrants at courthouses or illegal immigrants, I should say.
		They said they could actually arrest ICE agents for trying to capture these people, which it's this is this seems crazy.
		It's a judge basically saying there's a category of crime which you can't arrest someone for.
		I mean, that that's insane to threaten ICE agents with arrest.
		What what what is going on with these these arrests at or around courthouses?
		And what do you think of this judge's ruling?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Look, one of the safest places to arrest an illegal alien is inside a courthouse.
		Because you go, you know, you gotta go, you gotta get past, you know, the magnetometers, you get searched for, you go in the courthouse.
		What a safer place to arrest a public safety threat than a courthouse, right?
		And look, uh, I've been in courthouses throughout my career.
		I've been in courthouses, wirewashed a father being taken into custody for not paying child support.
		Arrest right in the courthouse because he hasn't paid child support in six months, judge says take them into custody.
		So that's okay to arrest the father for not paying, you know, child support, which I support, but it's not okay to arrest a public safety threat in a in the same type of courtroom situation.
		So, no, you know, I think the judges ordered, of course, federal law always trumps local law.
		Good luck with that.
		ICE is going to enforce the laws again, enacted by Congress, and they're not going to apologize for doing it.
		So that I'll let DOJ fight that and when I'm sure that that ruling is going to be appealed, and we'll win that appeal because they can't simply, you know, tell federal law enforcement what they can and can't do.
		So, you know, we'll see that get appealed and we'll win the appeal.
		But I think courtroom arrest makes sense because it's a safe place, safer for the officer, safer for the community, and safer for the alien when for the same reason I want access to jails, right?
		If you know these sanctuary cities don't give us access to the jails, we're gonna be safer for the community, safer for the alien, safer for the officer to arrest somebody in the safety and security of public jail, we know he doesn't have weapons.
		Instead, they want to release him in the public, which is again creates a public safety issue, and it's much more dangerous for the officer, much more dangerous for the alien themselves, because anything can happen on street arrest.
		So I support what ICE is doing to courthouse, and we're gonna continue to do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is where uh, you know, I'll get a little a little darker and more serious.
		There's a question about what's going to happen because we've seen a chain of events, terror attacks on ICE facilities, shooting law enforcement, shooting into vehicles.
		We know there is motive and intent from these extremists.
		Now we've seen at this No Kings protest what appears to be some run-of-the-mill liberal advocating people buy guns to shoot ICE agents.
		We then have a court, a judge ruling that the ICE facility in in Broadview, just outside of Chicago, can't have barriers to protect itself.
		In Portland, when they put wood up on their windows to protect the glass, they got a zoning violation from the city.
		I fear that there is, whether intentional or otherwise, a combination of factors from extremism bubbling up on the left, as well as the courts obstructing federal law enforcement's ability to protect themselves, which is leading us to a point where there will be an escalation of terror attacks on federal law enforcement.
		Like the broad view of uh facility being a very good example of of the worst.
		I mean, in Texas, as you already pointed out, they were shooting at this facility.
		Now there's a judge saying that in Illinois, Illinois, where there's riots, they can't protect themselves with these barricades.
		I think escalation is all but guaranteed, and I don't know how we stop it.
		Have you guys thought about how to deal with this stuff?
		I know it's it's it's it's sort of getting into other territories, Trump with the National Guard.
		But this has me genuinely concerned for the safety of our law enforcement and the community in general.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think President Trump's addressing us several words.
		First of all, Pam Bondy's a great attorney general.
		She's going to litigate.
		You know, she's she said it herself, these radical judges making decisions that don't consider public safety.
		It's there are more political decisions and decisions made on federal law or what this how the statute reads.
		But you know, we got some radical judges in Pam Bondi and Department of Justice are taking them on.
		They're appealing these cases, but that takes a while, like you said.
		So we're trying to plug a hole until then.
		What are we doing?
		We're we're hardening our facilities to put more security features in the facilities.
		And you're right, some of the berries had to be taken down.
		But that's one of the main reasons President Trump sent in National Guard.
		National Guard's not going there to enforce immigration law.
		They're going there to protect our facilities and protect our officers.
		So together with the uh, you know, the DHS and DOJ and the White House here, we're trying to harden the facilities.
		We're sending more resources to have a protective layer.
		Teams are big enough.
		We just don't have one or two guys going out in the public arrest them.
		We send a whole team that can not only in effect an arrest, but while that rest is being affected, you got officers in the background watching to make sure these officers are safe and looking at a 360 perimeter, make sure the operation goes successfully.
		So we're stepping up our game to not only protect the officers, but to also send a message we're not stopping.
		So I think between DOJ, DHS and White House, we're trying to deal with this as quick as we can.
		But the bottom line is DOJ needs to get these appeals on counter as soon as possible.
		I truly believe, look, I'm not a lawyer, but I can read.
		And I think the vast majority, if not all of them, will be overturned by the appellate court or the Supreme Court.
		We just got to make sure we push that agenda quickly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So uh I guess multi-part question.
		How many uh illegal immigrants do I've I've I've seen wild estimates for how many illegal immigrants are currently in the country?
		Is it the mission of ICE and CBP to deport all criminal uh illegal immigrants, just illegal immigrants in general?
		And do you think you will succeed should if if that is the the criteria for the mission?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're going to succeed.
		We all are we already are succeeding.
		It's like, well, we'll surpass 600,000 removals the first year of Trump, and that that beats the record by 200,000.
		But look, how we succeed.
		Every criminal threat we take out of the community poor, every national security threat we take out of the community deport makes this country safer.
		I don't have a number, but I said this from day one.
		We're going to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats.
		And the data shows we're doing it 70% of the time because they're the biggest concern, right?
		Because they're threats.
		But if you're in the country legally, you're not off the table.
		You've never been off the table.
		You never will be off the table because it's not okay to be in this country illegally.
		It's not okay to cross that border illegally.
		It is a crime.
		And the message we can't send to the whole world is enter the country legally, it's a crime, but don't worry about it.
		Show up in court or don't show up in court, get an order removal.
		Don't worry about it.
		Unless you commit another crime, no one's looking for you.
		If that's the message we send to the entire world, you're never going to fix this problem when next administration comes, they're going to keep coming.
		We got to send the message of consequences.
		We need to enforce the law.
		And that's why we're, you know, the CBP home map.
		You know, there's several thousand removals there already.
		If you're in the country legally, leave on your own.
		Give yourself an opportunity in the future, come back under a legal program, visitors' visa, tourist visa, a work authorization, or H1B, H2A, whatever.
		Make yourself available, come back because we have to formally deport you, find you, informally remove you.
		There's a statutory bar in federal statute, and it works five years to never coming back.
		So I've said it from day one, and I mean it.
		If you're in the country legally, you're not off the table.
		Just because you prioritize a subset, doesn't mean you forget about everybody else.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just last question.
		I don't know.
		This might be a little outside of your wheelhouse, but there are concerns and have been for some time about illegal immigrants either voting accidentally, as some might argue, about regardless, voting illegally affecting the outcome of elections as well as the illegal immigrant population creating additional congressional seats largely in these sanctuary cities and states.
		Do you think that's ill, and again, I don't know, maybe it's not your wills, but is is this is there a potential for these illegal immigrants to affect the midterm elections or our elections in general moving forward?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Look, I think there's been many examples of illegal aliens voting in elections.
		I and you it's just a stone cold fact.
		We we've uncovered some of it.
		But you hit on a bigger subject, as I said for a long time.
		Why did the Biden administration release millions of people in the United States when federal law clearly says if you're enter a country illegally without proper documentation, you shall be detained.
		So why weren't they detained?
		Well, we had thousands of empty ice beds already paid for about 127 dollars a night, thousands of beds sitting empty.
		Why didn't they detain them?
		Why did they detain them in accordance with federal law?
		Why did they release an NGOs?
		Well, I'll tell you why.
		Because if they're if they detained them in ice facility, they get a hearing within 36, 37 days, somewhere around there.
		90% will lose their case because they simply don't qualify for asylum.
		They get sent home.
		That's not what they wanted.
		They know based on 10 years of court data, nearly nine out of 10 people who claim asylum at their southern border, end up on order removal.
		So they know if they detain them, nine out of 10 will be deported.
		However, if they release them, they get put on what they call the non-detained document.
		It takes years.
		So what are they hoping for?
		Millions of people they release to sanctuary cities, do two things.
		Number one, maybe them a democratic administration comes in before they have a hearings and get order removed, give an amnesty.
		Now you got millions of what they think future democratic voters.
		But on the other hand, when President Biden signed all these executive orders, killing everything we did to create the most secure border on Trump 45.
		They also overturned the Trump census rule where millions of people in these sanctuary cities now be counted, which results in more seats in House for the Dems.
		I truly believe they opened a border up and didn't detain this population because they saw a future political benefit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		I really do appreciate you joining me in having a discussion.
		Is there anything else you wanted to add before we wrap up?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		Just a message that ICE is going to quit doing what they're doing.
		God bless the men and women of ICE and Borb Cho.
		And if you listen or see one of them out there, shake their hand.
		Thank them for doing a very dangerous job and making this country safe again.
		They deserve it.
		Thank you so much, hey.
		It'd be nice for people, the American people, American public out there, just say, hey, thank you for what you do.
		We appreciate you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tom Homan, thank you so much for joining me and providing those insights.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, we look forward to having you in the future.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Have a good one.
		That was, of course, the great Tom Homan discussing what they're currently uh working on and all those insights.
		And I want to stress something.
		I've said it before, I'll say it now.
		You know, look, I I've had complaints about bad cops and law enforcement, all that, but I want to stress who we are, where we are this past election, and I'll give you a quick bit before we wrap up.
		We had an election in 2024.
		Immigration was the either number one or number two concern.
		We asked President Donald Trump, take immigration enforcement seriously because Biden went nuts.
		Well, he is.
		This is uh, I don't think this is National Guard.
		I see these guys, this is federal officers outside in Portland, Oregon.
		You know what I think when I see these guys?
		I think these guys are out here working for me because I asked them to.
		I see these guys in uniforms, I see them in armor, I see them wearing masks, I see them facing threats from lunatics.
		And the reality is I said, Trump, I want you to find a few good men.
		Ask them to go and enforce the laws passed by Congress that we as the American people want to see enforced.
		And Trump said, You got it.
		You vote for me, I'll make that happen.
		So we did.
		We voted for Trump.
		He won the popular vote.
		These men then volunteered and said, I will put myself in harm's way at the request of the American voter, at my request.
		So I have tremendous respect for these guys out there.
		I've been on the ground.
		I've been tear gassed.
		I get it.
		But there is a request we make of law enforcement when we vote, and that is to keep the community safe and enforce the law.
		And that means it's not always personal.
		And there are bad cops.
		Sometimes you might get caught up, sometimes, but that's never the intention.
		The left says you're a bootlicker if you if you defend cops.
		I mean, maybe corrupt cops, but I ain't nicking nobody's boot.
		I ask these guys to be here.
		So when I say I have a request of you good sir, and they say, you got it, strap up, put on the armor and go outside.
		What do I see?
		A bunch of guys out there on the streets taking risks to themselves because I asked them to.
		And you did too.
		Shout out to our federal law enforcement doing this dangerous job facing down these extremist threats.
		I hope you guys stay safe.
		And I really do appreciate what you're doing at the request of the American democracy.
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