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JD Vance DEFENDS Young Republicans Over Group Chat Leak, Cancel Culture Is OVER
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Ladies and gentlemen, we have some breaking news.
This is this is insane.
This is of the utmost magnitude.
Breaking news.
Politico is stormed in here with the the this is an insane story.
It appears that Zoomer group chats are a thing.
Zoomers are behaving how Zoomers behave.
I know this is really crazy.
It's really crazy to think.
You know, it's hard to ponder, but um Politico is really exposed, it really exposed everything.
Uh zoomers like edgy humor.
I I know, I know.
It's it's a little hard to digest, you know, it's a little it's a little heavy, you might be a little scandalized, but um, yeah, young men um like to tell dark jokes.
Uh they have a little bit of edgy humor, they're a little rough around the edges.
I don't know if you saw the uh uh I don't know if you saw the headlines over the last 24 hours.
There's uh there is quite quite the you know hubbub surrounding this uh political article, and we will get into that.
Look, this is ridiculous.
The cancel culture is over.
I don't know if you saw the last I don't know if you're like a politico yourself.
I don't know if you're much of a political wonk.
I don't know if you know you saw the last election results.
Um yeah, cancel culture loss at the ballot box.
So um we're gonna get into that.
That was a uh we have a spicy, uh spicy little story for you today.
We also have uh the big balls case.
I don't know if that rings a bell.
Big balls, the Doge Master.
He uh he got jumped a few months ago in DC.
And this is kind of what initiated the uh National Guard crackdown from Donald Trump.
Uh well, the uh the people who beat him uh nearly to death were given a slap on the wrist.
So we're gonna take a look at that.
It was a wild story.
We also have the New York Times.
You know, we see the uh political article, there's a lot of accusations of racism, some really edgy jokes, these sorts of things.
But um the New York Times put on an article that was uh far more racist, I would say, than anything that these young gentlemen in this group chat could have possibly um put together.
So uh yeah, we're gonna get into all of that.
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I am your host, Tate Brown here holding it down for Tim Poole.
Um look, this is some really exciting I am young.
I'm in a I am a Republican.
Um, so these stories have some particular resonance with me.
So um we're gonna get into that, and uh we're holding it down.
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But I have a Patriot Power Hour here for you guys, ready to go.
Let's get into this first story from Politico.
I we're this is good.
Run rumble.
I can say a lot of these words.
We don't have to worry about the YouTube TOS gods coming uh coming down on us.
From Politico, an exclusive I love Hitler or Hitler.
I don't know what I'm allowed to say.
Uh leaked messages expose young Republicans racist chat.
Uh-oh.
Thousands of private messages reveal young GOP leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery, and grape.
I don't want to say that word, you know, it's a little corrosive to the soul to say that a little too much.
Call me soft, call me gay, whatever you, whatever you want.
But you know, it's how it's how I operate.
I don't like to cuss.
I'm not a I'm not a cursor.
But um, this is everyone's nightmare.
The group chat getting leaked.
Oh no.
I put a tweet out earlier today saying that uh if my high school clash of clans group chat were to be leaked, we would be in camps overnight.
Because, you know, every Zoomer young Patriot group chat, man, there's some wild, uh, wild topics being discussed.
Um, as you can see, here's a few of their uh highlights, some of their greatest hits that were uh in the group chat here.
Um if we ever had a leak of the chat, we would be cooked for real for real.
Um, here we are.
Uh they they love the the watermelon people.
Uh, I don't know what he's even referring to here.
This is uh whatever.
Um, yeah, everyone that votes no is gonna be uh in the gas chamber.
Like it's getting wacky and wild.
So we're gonna get into the article here.
Um we'll read from Politico.
Leaders of young Republican groups throughout the country worried what would happen if their telegram chat ever got leaked, but they kept typing away.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's exactly what happened here.
Uh they referred to black people as monkeys and the quote watermelon people and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers.
They talked about graping their enemies and driving them to suicide and lauded Republicans who they believed support slavery.
Um William Hendrix, the Kansas young Republicans vice chair, used the words nga and gariations of the racial slur.
So he's getting very, you know, avant garde here with his um with his vocabulary.
You know, you have to tip the hat there, uh, I would say.
Uh variations of the racial slur more than a dozen times in the chat.
Uh Bobby Walker, the vice chair of the New York State young Republicans at the time, referred to Grape as quote, epic.
Um, Peter Junta, who uh who at the time was the chair of the same organization, wrote in a message sent in June that, quote, everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber.
I bet everyone voted yes.
That's quite the threat.
I would have voted yes if I knew that's what I was up against.
Um, so I don't know, maybe that worked.
Um he was referring to an upcoming vote on whether he should become chair of the young Republicans National Federation, the GOP's 1500 member political organization for Republicans between 18 and 40 years old.
Which side note, 18 to 40 is crazy if you're on Republican.
I know, like I know people that are like 30 are calling themselves young, but 40.
Are we serious here?
You know, I used to be involved in young Republican, um, young Republican groups, uh, you know, in college, especially.
And it wasn't very young.
There was a lot of unks there.
It was uh it was the the uh a lot of unctivities, I'll put it that way.
But um that's neither here nor there.
Uh quote, I'm going to create some of the greatest physiolog physiological torture methods known to man.
We only want true believers, he continued.
And uh two members of the chat responded.
So obviously there was a lot of uh a lot of chatter going on here.
Maybe people kind of experimenting with some ideas, like people to vote yes.
I don't know, maybe maybe it's worth worth taking a look at.
But um, yeah, a lot of crazy stuff.
I'll read here.
The exchange is part of a trove of telegram chats obtained by Politico and spanning more than seven months of messages among young Republican leaders in New York, Kansas, Arizona, and Vermont.
I didn't even know there was Republicans in Vermont, so that's pretty cool.
Congrats, boys.
Uh, the chat offers an unfiltered look at how a new generation of GOP activists Talk when they think no one is listening.
Um, yeah, I don't I don't know who here is surprised that again, young guys like edgy jokes.
Um, not really uh any breaking news here.
I suppose they're just excited to read them.
Since Politico began making inquiries, one member of the group chat is no longer employed at their job, and another's job offer was rescinded.
Prominent New York Republicans, including rep Elise Stefanic and state minority leader Rob Ort have denounced the chat.
And festering resentments among young Republicans have now turned into public recriminations, including allegations of character assassination and extortion.
So uh, yeah, look, there's a lot of uh drama over the last 24 hours on the timeline, a lot of he said she said, Um, a lot of people accusing others.
I don't want to get into that.
The drama's really just you know, that's that's for mud slinging online.
That's for uh those types of people to figure out.
I'm more concerned here with the reaction that people are having.
Um there was uh again, they kind of go through here the accusations of of who's being accused, and again, this is not a done deal.
This is politico's reporting.
But there's a lot of people online who are in the know who are questioning uh this narrative.
Again, I don't want to really pontificate.
I'm not privy to the um back channel um conversations.
I haven't seen any concrete evidence of anything yet, so I'm not gonna speculate on this.
But um, this was a really funny bit of the article.
251 times mixed into formal conversations about whipping votes, social media strategy, and logistics.
The members of the chat slung around an array of slurs, which politico is republishing to show how they spoke.
Epithets like fat, maybe fat, I don't know, retarded and ga appeared more than 251 times combined.
First, hilarious that they censored this and this, but they didn't censor retarded, which just shows that retarded is like normalized again.
You know, there's you can say it again.
It's perfectly fine.
Even Politico agrees.
Uh it appears more than 251 times.
So some poor bastard from Politico yesterday got tasked with going through this group chat and counting every single time these words were used, which is just a hilarious job assignment.
Hilarious job assignment.
Maybe they used Excel.
Maybe um, you know, the most gratuitous explanation was they they come to this this poor you know assistant who's just trying to make it, he's trying to be the next big journo.
You know, he's meeting the next Ken Cliffenstein or whatever, and they say we got a group we got a really big story here.
Oh, awesome.
Yeah, we need you to count how many times they said the N-word in this chat.
So and you know this violated their con their liptard conscious very much because they probably you know put in to an Excel sheet, did a pivot table, but then they had to type in the N-word, and that probably just really aided them, having to type in the N-word so they could get a count.
I know that really bothered them.
Um right here, in one instance, Walker, who at the time was a staffer for Ort, talked about how a mutual friend of some in the chat, quote, dated this very obese Indian woman for a period of time.
Gunta responded to the woman, uh quote, was not Indian.
She just didn't bathe often.
It's not disavow.
It's not funny.
No, no, I think what's happening is the political art uh the political writer here is just very jealous that he couldn't come up with uh these funny zingers.
This is this is written by someone that's clearly seething.
Um separate conversation, Guntsa shared that his flight from Charleston, South Carolina landed safely.
Then he offered some advice for his yellow young Republicans.
Finally, some advice, some insight.
Let's see what his advice was.
If your pilot is a she and she looks 10 shades darker than someone from Sicily, just end it there.
Scream the no-no word.
So, yeah, a lot of interesting advice being disseminated in the chat.
Um of course, of course, right away.
Here's another article from the political.
This is the follow-up.
Quote, it's revolting.
More young Republican chat members out of jobs as condemnation intensifies.
So again, I don't want to get into the drama of how this chat got into Politico's hands, but um, you know, the word on the street is there's some sort of infighting with the young Republican groups.
Again, I'm not gonna name names, I'm gonna say who.
There's no concrete evidence of anything.
But regardless, this shouldn't have ended up in Politico's hands, and it did.
That's neither here nor there.
But um, yeah, here for example, Peter Gunta's time working with the New York Assembly member Mike Riley, quote, has ended, the Republican lawmaker said.
So a lot of these guys in this chat, uh Vermont State Senator Sam Douglas faced mounting calls for his resignation, including from the states governor Phil Scott, who's a Republican.
Okay.
A Vermont Republican is similar to a Massachusetts Republican.
They're uh a Democrat.
That's just how it works over there.
Fellow Republican lawmakers called his statements, quote, deeply disturbing.
Um, so we'll take a look here.
Of course, a lot of these sticks in the mud came out immediately with uh with some rhetoric.
Um, this is from the Kansas uh Republican Party.
I'll read their quote.
The Kansas Republican Party leadership is disgusted by the comments by young Kansas Republicans mentioned in the political story.
Their comments do not reflect the beliefs of Republicans, and certainly not of Kansas Republicans at large.
Um have you ever met anyone from Kansas?
Anyway, uh who elected a black chair a few months ago.
Whoa, finally, some diversity.
This is great.
This is what uh this is what's going to save America is diversity.
Uh Republicans believe that all people are created in the image of God.
That is true.
In fact, our platform clearly states, quote, we welcome Kansas Canzans of every ethnicity into our party as we work together to preserve our heritage of political equality, religious freedom, and strong moral values.
We strive to eliminate racism and we condemn all racist acts and groups.
Oh my gosh.
These they they just don't get it.
These these these GOP apparatchics are just living like 10 years ago.
Again, did you see the last election results?
Like cancel culture is done.
We're in a new paradigm.
People can cook.
Edgy jokes are okay now.
Uh I don't know what this is.
That direct quote could have been from a Democrat for all we know.
It might as well have been.
Um here's where they finish with.
As of today, the Kansas Young Republicans organization is inactive.
So uh they they came down at the hammer.
The official young Republicans National Federation Board of Directors put this statement out.
We are appalled by the vile and inexcusable language revealed in the political article published today.
Such behavior is disgraceful, unbecoming of any Republican, and stands in direct opposition to the values our movement represents.
Those individuals must immediately resign from all positions within their state and local young Republican organizations.
We must hold ourselves to the highest standards of integrity, respect, and professionalism.
So all these people are doing this routine where they pretend like they're boy scouts and they bladder pull on these guys who uh who uh you know had a private chat revealed where they're making edgy jokes, and uh they're siding with leftists ultimately.
They are they are they are to the left, and I will show you who they're to the left of um JD Vance, the vice president of the United States.
This is just this is he's the tone setter, he just gets it.
This is the perfect response.
So everyone's, you know, this this drops yesterday afternoon.
It's getting passed around group chats.
Everyone's saying, Oh wow, this is wild.
JD Vance drops in on the on the timeline, quote, this is far worse than anything said in a college group chat.
And the guy who said it could become the AG of Virginia.
I refuse to join the pearl clutching when powerful people call for political violence.
So boom, JD Vance grabbing the frame, which everyone's panicking, everyone's freaking out, grabs the frame and centers it where it should be, which is the fact that um, yeah, threaten uh elected official threatening to kill Republicans is indeed far worse than some edgy jokes among college students in a group chat.
I know, I know it's a little crazy.
I know the Kansas GOP and then you know young Republican National Federation would disagree, but um, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is this is worse.
This is this is definitely far worse, as J.D. Vance says here.
So beautiful from from Vice President Vance and presumably future president uh JD Vance.
Getting the framing absolutely correctly, we cannot lose sight of what's going on here.
Uh this cannot be reiterated enough.
A leftist shot Charlie Kirk and they celebrated.
And we're in what we're we're we're uh, you know, we're current pearl clutching over uh a bunch of edgy jokes in a group chat.
Again, every group chat for every zoomer who's right of center, um, looks like this.
It's just it is what it is.
We like to joke around, we like to make jokes.
Ridiculous.
So um JD Vance coming out setting the tone right away.
Um, here's a great little tidbit here from uh Logan Hall of Blaze, quote, Republicans, but they work to destroy their enemies instead of their friends.
I know, I know.
It's like it's really shocking, it's really shocking political strategy.
But um, yeah, it would be really nice if uh Republicans could stay focused here instead of eating their own and punching right.
Um, yeah, maybe we could work to destroy friends.
It's a radical idea.
I don't know, Logan.
I don't know.
I don't know, this might be a little too far-fetched, but it's worth a shot.
You know, this is this is an interesting pitch.
It's certainly an interesting pitch.
Um Matt Walsh dropped in here, he has a great take.
If you actually read the political hit piece, you'll see that many of the messages are being taken wildly out of context.
For example, the guy who said, quote, I love Hitler was clearly being sarcastic.
It's explicitly meant to be a sarcastic joke.
True.
And yet Politico put the quote in the headline of the article, and conservatives are lining up to offer denunciations.
How in the H E double hockey sticks is anyone on the right still falling for this trick?
How have you not learned by now to take absolutely nothing from the leftist media at face value, especially if it's a blatant political hit piece?
Absolutely correct.
If you are to the left of the vice president right now, you don't get it, and you're not on the team.
Full stop.
Full stop.
We are in a we are in a soft cold like war right now between these two factions between right and left.
Why why are we punching right now?
Did we just I mean, I know we are, you know, you don't have to be much of a news junkie to see what's been going on over these last few weeks.
Why is anyone punching right now?
This is absolutely ridiculous.
And so thankfully, yeah, JD Vance comes out and sets the tone.
We have prominent commentators like Matt Walsh coming out.
Um, you know, saying, like, why are you punching right now?
What who are you trying to impress?
You're certainly not impressing conservatives.
Certainly not, because every conservative saw that and said, Yeah, yeah, it's edgy jokes.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, what are you gonna do?
It's young people.
What do you think they're talking about?
Do you think they're sending recipes back and forth, you know, like talking about the weather?
Is this a farmer's almanac?
No, this is a group chat.
This is a patriot group chat.
You know, you make you make some jokes in there.
What are you gonna do?
So uh yeah, it's just absolutely absurd.
Um, this is a great take here from uh the the uh the anon crusader Pepe.
Yeah, he said breaking breaking news.
Young men tell edgy jokes to cope with the fact that their way of life is being destroyed and their friends assassinated.
Um Kyle Kalinski comes in here trying to dunk, or they actually love Hitler.
Okay, and then he replies with the dunk here.
Your side glorifies and engages in political violence, it idolizes Mao and Lenin.
The right makes memes in private group chats.
You call us Nazis to justify political violence against us, just like you are doing now.
Absolutely correct.
Once again, we're comparing two things here.
This is this is the paradigm, this is the binary.
Edgy jokes in a group chat by young people that you maybe you don't like, maybe it's not your style, whatever, etc.
You could even say maybe it was too much.
Again, neither here nor there.
We're not punching right anymore.
And then let's compare it to what the left's up to in their group chats.
Oh, yeah, in their group chats, they're just threatening to kill Republicans.
I mean, are we serious here?
Like uh it's kind of obvious where the lines are.
So it's absolutely ridiculous.
These these these Republicans we we left this in the past.
This is lost at the ballot box twice, three times.
I don't know in in the presidential primaries, because I don't know if you're familiar with Donald Trump.
I don't know if again, I don't know if you're much of a wonk, but Trump's not really the you know, most clean cut, um, you know, you know, uh Fox News friendly sort of pundit, really.
No, he's uh he's a little edgy as well.
He's a little rough around the edges, and people love that.
I don't know if we want to roll, you know, rewind the clock, roll back time a little bit to 2016, the the debates, the Republican debates.
But you had all these lawyers that were getting chucked on the stage to the Trump buzzall who are getting up and they were like, I'm I'm from Texas and I care about flat the flat tax.
Oh, and I'm from Kentucky and I care about religion or whatever.
And then Trump just gets up there and just like calls people gay and stuff, and everyone loved it.
And he's shot up in the polls because we're kind of tired of living in this like you know, this this you know, environment where you just have to act like a boy scout and you're not allowed to laugh at anything.
So the conservative base kind of gets what's going on here.
Again, yeah, you could have problems with what they said or whatever.
That's that's that's whatever, but they understand that uh we're kind of tired of you know having to act like we're in an HR meeting at all times.
It's it got a little old.
So um again, these these Republicans that are coming out and joining on the dog, the leftist dog pile, I should I should say, these uh these apparatchics that are jumping on the leftist dogpile on these guys are not on the team, they're not aligned.
What are you doing?
Why are you punching right right now?
The leftist the left is trying to kill us, and they keep saying that explicitly.
What are we doing?
So absolutely ridiculous.
This is Pathetic.
And if you are in a state and you have any sort of influence in your local GOP, you need to be asking questions of the leadership.
Why are they dunking on these guys?
Why?
Do they not know what time we're in?
And I should, and I should go further.
Why are they to the left of the vice president of the United States?
That's where the framing is.
That's where the Overton window is, is like the Trump administration.
Why are you outflanking the vice president of the United States to the left?
Absolutely pathetic.
So with that, that took up a lot of time.
There's a lot to say there.
We are going to be joined later by uh fantastic, fantastic guest.
Um, Gabe Guidi Guy Driani.
I'll I'll uh I'll get the phonetic spelling of his name uh better here in a second.
But um he's gonna jump he's gonna hop in.
He he is very active in the young Republican scene.
Gui Darini, Gwirdarini.
Sorry, I'm not I'm not too great with the Italian names, but he's fantastic, and he's uh he's he's very active in the college republican scene.
So we're bringing him in later.
We'll break this down a little further, but we still have some time left, so I'm gonna grab the next story here.
From the New York Post, here is the headline teens who jumped, ex doge staffer, Edward Big Balls, Coristine.
Man, the Italian names.
Oh my gosh, Ellis Island, what are we doing?
We asleep at the wheel here?
Like what's going on here?
Anyway, avoids jail, sentenced to probation.
Um, you guys remember this story.
This was a few months back.
Um, big balls, he was uh he was leaving uh a function.
There was apparently a carjacking situation, and he got jumped, just defending himself.
He I don't even know if he really even really is really defending himself.
I think he was just there, existed.
He was a white guy that existed in DC, and that's grounds for getting beat up.
Um that's been the case for many decades now.
I'll read two teenagers who jumped former Doge staffer Edward Big Balls Coristeen, have avoided jail after pleading guilty to simple assault at a Washington, DC court.
The boy and girl, both 15 from Hyattesville, Maryland, were sentenced to probation at a DC court on Tuesday, just over two months after the pair were arrested for the savage August 3rd attack.
The boy was handed a 12-month probation and allowed to return home under strict house arrest while the girl was given nine-month probation and remanded to a local youth shelter.
Um, this was obviously what happened.
This was the aftermath.
You guys all remember this.
It was a brutal beatdown.
So if this is the punishment for beating someone nearly to death on the streets of Washington, DC, our nation's capital.
How does this disincentivize this from occurring further?
This is basically just allowing them to operate with impunity.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
There's zero, there's a I mean, ultimately, there's a um, there's double, there's kind of a double system here for for people like this and then people like that.
So I'll read some of the takes we have here, some of the commentary.
This is from Patrick Casey, friend of the show.
Daily reminder that policing isn't enough.
With left-wing judges and prosecutors, criminals will at worst receive slaps on the wrist, allowing them to continue preying on innocent people.
That's what's going on here.
So it's like Trump, obviously, after this happened, he he he mobilized the National Guard, he cracked down on crime in DC, and we've seen the murder rate drop precipitously.
Violent violent crime across the board has dropped precipitously.
So DC has become a safer place as far as the actual instances of crime occurring.
But when it does occur, there's no guarantee that there's actually gonna be any justice served because you have these left-wing judges who are really activist judges.
They genuinely view these two kids as the victim, these these two, this boy and girl from Hyatt'sville, Maryland.
They view them as the victim.
They view them as the victims of this racist tyrannical system that is the United States.
And they feel like it's their job as a judge to bring this sort of cosmic justice.
And what that results in is just letting them back on the street where they will commit more crimes later on.
Like we all know this.
We all know this was going on.
So this is just absolutely absurd.
We have Will Chamberlain here coming in, N DC home rule.
And and he is one of the foremost legal experts in our space, and and I totally agree.
I think this clearly DC has not demonstrated that they're willing to govern the uh their city in a way that makes any sense.
It's a total free-for-all.
And again, it's it's really ran by activists who really just seek to empower, you know, black black voices and these sorts of things.
Because they again they view any time they any time specifically young black people commit a crime, they view that as like them sort of enacting justice on their own terms.
That's how they view it, and they they've gone on record saying this.
Um, so N DC your home rule, DC, you've lost the right.
You've clearly clearly incapable of governing in any proper way.
Absolutely ridiculous.
So we have that.
Joel Barry is coming here with a great take, actually.
Another leftist woman judge, Toxic Empathy Strikes Again.
And he highlighted this portion from uh from an article here.
Um the judge emphasized that the purpose of juvenile court is to rehabilitate, not to punish.
She said uh she hopes the teenagers learn from their prohibitionary period.
Um, I don't know if you're familiar with um the United States of America, but um teenagers will not learn from their probationary period.
Uh this empowers them because uh that's not actually true.
The purpose of the courts, the purpose of justice system is to punish.
That's how you get justice is there's a debt that's a debt that's owed after you've committed an infraction.
It's not to rehabilitate.
That's never what it's been about.
Prison is about fundamentally punishment, yes, to you know, enact justice, that's what the courts are for.
And prison is for incapacitation because these people violent crime is is committed by a very small fraction of the population uh at large, and and they're often repeat offenders.
So prison is really about incapacitating these people because we know they're gonna commit crimes.
There's no question about it.
It's keeping them out of civil society, out of uh out of people that are just trying to live their lives and keep them away because they will do this, they will just jump you on the street.
That could have been any of us, and this happens all the time.
The reason it was so high profile was because you know he was an ex-doge staffer, and that's what's so shocking because obviously um, you know, Elon amplified the story and these sorts of things.
This is going on all the time.
I mean, do we need to roll back the clock to the arena situation and in Charlotte where the man just abruptly stabbed the woman?
And then the leftist reaction was this was just you know, again, this is just well, he's you know, a victim of oppression and and and slavery and these sorts of things, and that's why he did it.
And then these judges come and reinforce that.
It's the rehabilitate, not to punish.
Just absolutely ridiculous.
We live in a two-tiered justice system, there's no question about it.
Could you imagine?
Could you imagine just for a second?
If there was a black democratic staffer and a group two white teenagers went out in the street and beat the tar out of them.
Could you imagine what the reaction would be?
Like we'd be in camps by now.
It would be over.
It would have been absolutely especially under like Biden.
It would have been crazy.
But I mean, judging by the earlier reaction from these GOPs, even Republicans would, you know, go crazy.
It's a two-tier justice system.
There's no question about it.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
But with that, that will close our opening half of the show.
Uh, we will hop into our interview portion here.
Let me just check and make sure everyone's set.
Um Gabeir Dion Gwir Daron Gui Darini, Gwirderini, Gabe Gwirderini will be joining us for the interview portion.
So uh stay tuned for that.
For anyone else watching at home on YouTube, we'll be back tonight for Tim Cast IRL at 8 p.m.
I've been your host, Tate Brown.
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And with that, the interview will be up at 4 p.m. on the culture war if you'd like to take a look.
And we will get into that here shortly.
So I'm gonna lead with this from Politico.
I love Hitler.
Leaked messages expose young Republicans, racist chat, thousands of private messages reveal young GOP leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery, and rape.
The group chat was leaked.
Oh, the horror.
It is getting crazy.
The entire GOP apparatus are dogpiling on these kids, these guys, I won't call them kids their guys, but JD Vance has come in here.
This is far worse than anything said in a college group chat, and the guy who said it could become the AG of Virginia.
I refuse to join the pearl clutching when powerful people call for political violence.
So we're gonna bring Gabe in here and uh have a quick chat with him.
I'm gonna see what he thinks about all of this.
Let me get the uh let me get this fired up.
No audio, make sure it's not uh not getting any feedback.
Boom.
And let's see if he is in here.
Uh let's see.
Hey, Gabe, can you hear me?
gabe guidarini
Hey, Tate.
Yeah, I can.
tate brown
Dude, what's up, Patriot?
Well, uh, let's just say for everyone at home that maybe isn't familiar with you, could you maybe give a quick introduction who you are, what you do, and your background with college republican uh uh the college republican clubs.
unidentified
Sure.
gabe guidarini
So I'm Gabe Guitarini.
Um I've been in Republican Politics on the young Republican side for a long time.
Um, previously I was vice president and then acting president for the College Republicans of America, which oversees uh an overwhelming majority of the college Republican chapters around the country.
And then uh currently I'm the chairman of the Ohio College Republican Federation, which oversees all the college Republican chapters in the state of Ohio.
So, and I've been, you know, I've been working with a lot of different groups before, and um, you know, just trying to get young people engaged and and do and fight back against the left on our campuses.
tate brown
Totally.
Well, that's great.
Well, thanks for hopping on.
Uh, before we get into the reactions to the political article, can we first get your reaction?
What was your reaction yesterday when this article got dropped under your desk?
What did you think?
gabe guidarini
Well, the first thing that I really noticed right off the bat was the, you know, it's just another instance of in the pattern of left-wing journalism that isn't really focused on enlightening people.
It isn't really focused on helping people understand the facts and understand the truth, but it's more focused on painting the Republicans as evil, more focused on getting a political agenda across.
And in this case, that political agenda is all Republicans are Nazis, fascists, racists, whatever you'd call it.
And um, it's just another pattern.
And they've been doing this stuff for a long time.
But what really struck me is how swift and coordinated the response was to condemn these people.
And not everyone in that chat was even had texts that were, you know, really that bad.
Not everybody in that chat.
There were like what, 12 or 13 people in that chat.
Not everybody in that chat had uh had, you know, really, really scathing text attributed to them.
But everyone in that chat felt the same fire from the GOP establishment.
They felt the same wrath from the establishment elements of the Republican Party and of the political system.
And it just goes to show that no matter who you are, no matter what association you have, no matter what you've actually said, people will throw you under the bus at a moment's turn if they believe that they are at risk from the left.
And you know, the thing that I really, you know, like to communicate, and JD Vance talked about this yesterday, is it doesn't matter what you say.
It doesn't matter what you know, who you associate with or what you do or who you talk to, the left will call you these things regardless.
The left will do these things to you regardless.
It doesn't matter what you are, what you say.
The left to them, to the left, you are a Nazi.
You are a fascist if you are a Republican, if you are a Trump supporter.
So that's a double standard that really comes into play here, especially when you consider how the left treats their own radical elements, treats their own people who say way worse things.
Jay Jones said something miles worse than what was said in this chat, which is he was fantasizing about murdering a Republican lawmaker and his children because he believed that he was intrinsically evil.
And those text messages messages were released.
Not a single Democrat has come out and defended uh and revoked their endorsement of Jay Jones for what he said in those text messages.
So, you know, it's a it's a major contrast from what you see from the Republican establishment condemning, instantly condemning and throwing under the bus all the people who were in that group chat for edgy jokes uh at best, poor taste content at worst.
Um, but it's a really stark contrast between how the GOP treats their elements that are perceived as radical and how the Democrats treat their radical elements.
tate brown
Totally.
I mean, what does this say?
Because we saw the last three primaries now where this sort of cancel culture sort of mentality loses at the ballot box every single time.
Donald Trump himself is a repudiation of cancel culture of this finger wagging of punching right because he understands the moment we're in.
He understands what time it is, and he understands that the left has these radical elements that ultimately want to kill us, as as the AG candidate in Virginia has clearly demonstrated.
What does that say about some of these?
I guess you would call them stragglers, but there's obviously entrenched power.
That is outflanking the vice president of the United States to the left.
gabe guidarini
Well, I think it it just goes to show that the Republican Party isn't on the same page.
We do not know you know the motivations behind all the people who are pushing this out.
But it's very clear that there was coordinated uh activity behind the scenes before this article came out to instantly throw these people under the bus.
People were fired even before this article came out.
And I think that really goes to show how eager and desperate a lot of establishment elements in the Republican Party are to clean house with anyone who isn't in the establishment wing.
And this gave them uh this unfortunately gave them a basis by which to do so.
But it just goes to show, you know, JD Vance and Steven Miller and a lot of these really really good elements within the Republican Party, they know the correct way to do this.
They know the correct way to respond to this, which is to not give the left any oxygen whatsoever because they deserve none.
And you may recall in 2016, during the Access Hollywood taste, when that was released about Donald Trump when he was first running for president, when those came out, everyone in the Republican Party who meant anything threw him under the bus at a moment's notice.
They said he's dead on arrival, he's you know cooked, he's not gonna make it.
These these audio recordings are as scathing as can be.
And what did Donald Trump do?
He stood firm completely unapologetically.
He stood firm and uh defended himself, defended his reputation, defended his legitimacy as a candidate, and he won, much to the shock of all those establishment Republicans who many of them have since joined forces with Trump and have gone in line, uh, and rightfully so.
So it just goes to show when you give people oxygen in this way in a double standard environment where the left is able to get away with just about everything that they do wrong, and the right are constantly monitored with a uh with a you know, with a microphone with a magnifying glass.
When that double standard exists, the last thing you want to do is cave in and give that double standard any more legitimacy.
It's time for Republicans to start playing hardball.
And uh until, you know, I I told I tweeted this out like until and a few people have actually um talked about this too.
Brandon uh Brandon Gill, uh congressman from Texas, who's I think has been really great, text us out.
Look, these text messages are horrible from Jay Jones.
Yeah, and the Democrats will not condemn it at all.
The Democrats never say anything about their radical elements.
So why should we give them any more oxygen by throwing other Republicans under the bus?
I don't see any reason to.
tate brown
Totally.
Totally.
Well, I mean, there's something to be said about JD Vance.
There's like a little echo on your end with uh maybe it's the laptop, I'm not sure.
gabe guidarini
It's possible.
tate brown
Yeah, but um, yeah.
So we have, I mean, JD Vance specifically going out and getting the framing correct.
He he he set the framing, he set the tone for how people should be responding to this.
Could you maybe speak a little bit?
Because JD Vance has been um he he kind of has a singer on the poll specifically with what young Americans are feeling, young patriots are feeling.
Could you maybe speak a little bit to JD Vance's reaction, what that says about the future of the GOP?
gabe guidarini
Yeah.
Um, you know, JD Vance's reaction, I think just kind of paints him more as the future of the GOP because you know, the reason I think it goes both ways.
He is the future of the GOP, and that's also part of the reason why he is ascended as far as he has.
You know, I I remember getting my start in Ohio politics actually interning on his campaign back in 2022 when he was running for U.S. Senate.
And one of the things that got me and a lot of other young people in Ohio so motivated about his campaign was that he was young, that he understood the issues that actually appeal to young people, and that he was ready to play hardball against the left.
And JD Vance and Stephen Miller do this better than just about anyone in the upper echelon of the uh echelons of the Republican Party.
And that's why I think they've ascended so far, is because young people see that and they are recognized, they are remembering that there are people in the Republican Party who are willing to stand by them, who are willing to support them, and who are willing to fight for them against the left for fight for their interests, fight for the future of this country against a left that has abandoned all sense of morality, that has abandoned all sense of pride and country.
And JD Vance and Stephen Miller are setting the blueprint for how Republicans should be playing hardball against the left.
And that's, I think, why JD Vance has become, in many ways, the front runner for the GOP nomination in 2028.
And that's why I think he'll continue to have uh a large influence in conservative circles going forward, because he consistently proves his expertise and uh and good talking points and good messaging on issues like this messaging that we sorely need right now.
tate brown
Totally.
I mean, well, JD Vance just I mean, he gets this one principle, which so many in the GOP don't is if you're in a dog fight, don't punch right, don't punish people who are ultimately on your team.
That's just like politics 101.
I mean, I saw this tweet.
This is earlier today.
Will Chamberlain actually uh, you know, he quote tweeted it.
Um, this is from an attorney out of Chicago, an immigration attorney, Eric Lee, and he said, quote, if your visa was denied or revoked due to Charlie Kirk-related speech, the consular accountability project is interested in representing you pro bono.
So he's obviously responding to the Department of State's um, you know, uh policy where they're not gonna distribute visas to people who are dancing on the grave of Charlie Kirk.
The left has zero appetite to police their radicals whatsoever because they understand that they're in a war with us.
And why would they attack people on their team?
But it's a it's it's there's a degree to it because they're defending people that want to kill people, they're defending political violence, people that celebrate political violence versus the right.
We're already just throwing people under the bus for edgy jokes.
I mean, maybe you could elaborate more on the types of actors that the left is going to bat for and and sort of their reaction to their radicals.
gabe guidarini
Yeah, well, I mean, the left only has so much political capital in this environment that they can afford to spend.
Um, and I think that the young Americans, especially, and polling shows this too, are kind of turning against the political left.
And I think that older Americans are too.
I think one of the things that really sparked this off originally was September 10th and the murder, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Democratic leaders, right?
This was a very transparent moment.
Democratic leaders were coming out and condemning it and condemning all political violence, but their interns, the people underneath them, their supporters, the most vocal people in the young left and the democratic socialist organizations were coming out.
They were just mocking Charlie Kirk.
They chose to either ignore it, or worse, they chose to actively uh joke about it, mock Charlie Kirk.
And what it says, I think about the left is that in many ways, the left is not only uh worse than the Republican Party, they are about as bad as you can get in terms of systemic ignorance regarding the extremism of their own circles of the actual people uh working underneath them.
Look, you look at Capitol Hill, most of these Democratic politicians are you know, they're old white guys, they're probably a lot more moderate.
They would in olden days they'd probably be more blue dog types, but their interns who pull their strings are about as far left as you can go.
Yeah, these are people who truly, you know, 50 years ago they'd be in the weather underground.
These people truly have a disdain, not only for America in general, but also for Republicans as people, because they disagree, because they believe that Republicans are morally reprehensible and that they are morally unable to assimilate to their vision, their progressive idea of what this country should be.
And that just continues to show itself more and more every single day.
The amount of people, you know, it was the fact that there are a hundred thousand people in this country, at least, those are only people that we know of that were put on that database for laughing or supporting Charlie Kirk's assassination.
It just goes to show the rot, the systemic rot in this country uh has gotten really deep.
And people are taking note of that, not only on the political right, but in the political center as well.
So the Democrats are now, I believe, in a panic frenzy to try and shove all this stuff under the radar.
And I think that's where a lot of this comes in too.
They believe that by painting the Republicans as actually being Nazis or actually being fascists, that they can shove the attention away from them and put it on the right and label all young Republicans, label the young generation of conservatives as far right Nazis, morally reprehensible.
What people may not be expecting and people may not have expected is the unlikely ally, or perhaps likely ally that they have received from the moderate right, from the establishment elements of the Republican Party who seem completely ready and willing to go to bat for the left and to work with the left to paint the extremists,
uh, you know, paint these people as extremists to um to lay try to push aside every element of a more conservative right wing away by labeling everyone as Nazis by you know trying to make examples of people uh by ruining their lives.
So it just goes to show that um, you know, when the left plays hardball, they are able to get away with it.
They are able to try and push it aside.
But the right can't play hardball if we have half the party desperately trying to work with the left to um to put the attention back on the right.
The attention needs to be on the left because they're the people acting, you know, the left is where the violent energy is coming from.
Not all leftists, obviously, but when there is political violence going on in this country over the past several months, whether it's with Charlie Kirk or whether it's violence directed at ICE agents in Chicago and Portland, it's coming from the left.
It comes from a place of political leftism and progressivism.
And Republicans need to start acknowledging that much more boldly.
JD Vance and Stephen Miller are paving the way.
tate brown
Totally.
That's so true.
What because you're tapped into these college GOP circles, obviously through Turning Point and other other of your, you know, with your experience and that sort of thing.
What is the reaction from young Republicans across the country to this whole situation?
What are you hearing?
What are they saying?
These sorts of things.
gabe guidarini
Well, I think to most young Republicans, the actual, you know, in the broad in the broad scheme of things, an environment where Charlie Kirk was killed and where Jay Jones hasn't lost a single endorsement for his horrible statements that he made over text messages that were released.
I think young Republicans have really exhausted all their energy to care about this particular situation.
What infuriates us more is the response from establishment Republican elements.
And it just goes to show look, if somebody is placed in a difficult situation, if somebody has somebody go after them or allege something about them, that the people that they work for, the people who they are supposed to rely on, who they believe that they should be able to rely on, will just throw them under the bus at a moment's notice to protect their own name, to protect their reputation among donor groups.
And it just goes to show that um that these people are uh just not in line with the young elements of the GOP whatsoever.
And I think I think it it's a lot more systemically uh induced than that.
You know, the Republican Party, in many cases, actively seeks to shove young people away from the table.
And when they do have young people that they try to bring in, usually these young people are more focused on established, you know, they're people who they believe that they can control, they can control their rhetoric, they can um, you know, they can make sure that these people are parroting the right talking points.
Um, look at who makes up the RNC Youth Advisory Council, for instance.
So these the Republican Party will bring those people in.
And then you have people like Dan Crenshaw who go out and say, if you're under 25, you should not be running for office.
Who says something like that?
We need more young people running for office.
I feel like that's something that even most older folks can agree on that more young people should be in leadership positions in this country.
But the fact of the matter is, a large amount of the Republican Party does not want more young people in leadership positions because they know that the that young Republicans and young conservatives are willing to play hardball on the issues that matter most.
tate brown
Totally.
What what is the prescription here for these stodges, these these old heads that are basically ladder pulling these young guys?
I mean, obviously it's a matter of time, you know, given a few decades, this will flush itself out of the system.
But the moment we're in where we're facing an existential threat, an internal domestic and uh you know existential threat.
What in the short term can we do to sort of mitigate this ladder polling to get people that are focused on breaking this leftist power into positions of prominence and boxing out these stodges that don't really get it that are functionally democrats?
gabe guidarini
Well, we have to show them who who where the energy is actually coming from within the Republican Party and show them how little leverage they actually have, and that means combating the precedent that they're trying to set uh right here and right now with this particular issue.
Ratio, you know, look at all these establishment Republicans getting ratioed on Twitter right now.
I think it it was pleasantly surprising um that these people are seeing serious backlash because the Republican base at this point just has no energy for uh for firing to the right.
They want all the gun, all the fire, they want all the arrows, they want all the attack messaging, they want all the energy placed on making sure that people recognize that the left is the issue uh in the political system right now, that the left is the facet of our political system that's actually contributing to violence and contributing to the political decay uh and polarization that we're seeing right now.
So um, just setting that message, making sure that these people aware because they're in bubbles, right?
These establishment Republican types are in bubbles, they hang out in musy old rooms with other old people, and they are not you know, they're not plugged in with what young people uh are saying, and that needs to change.
And you saw it yesterday and today with these people, these establishmentarians coming onto Twitter to instantly denounce these people thinking that they'd be okay.
Meanwhile, they just have a bunch of right-wing young people coming in and just totally torching them because they're throwing people under the bus and putting no attention on the left whatsoever, and then the left still calls them Nazis.
So it doesn't they gain nothing out of doing that, and uh you know, making an example out of them in that way is really important for being able to uh build a Republican party that knows how to fight and knows how to win.
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, I want to drill down a little bit on the sort of the the overall vibe among young people because look, we saw the group chat, we read the text, it's in the article, these sorts of things.
If you're older, that's obviously very scandalizing, but for young people, it's it's not so much.
This is actually kind of familiar.
These these group chats are typically quite edgy, you know, there's a lot of dark humor, these sorts of things.
And uh a friend of mine, Nathan Hauber said, he posted this graph on on Twitter that did numbers, which was showing the percentage of Americans who are homeowners and married by 30.
And it was like what 60, 70 percent in the 1970s, and it's just completely fallen off a cliff where it I think it was hovering around like 10 percent today.
And I look at stuff like that, I look at a variety of of metrics that indicate how bad or how difficult it is for young people to properly matriculate into adulthood, right?
Like a lot of these conventional avenues are being shut off.
And so it's like it's no wonder that these these guys, the young people broadly, which would include myself, um, are kind of edgy.
They're they're kind of a little, they have a little less Regard for convention because ultimately convention has failed them.
Ultimately, the orthodox pathways have failed them.
So they're gonna they're going to you know be a little rough around the edges, just naturally, it just comes with the territory.
But I don't know, maybe you can drill down a little bit on that.
gabe guidarini
Well, I mean, I'm not gonna defend you know, a lot of the things that were said in that chart, I'm not gonna you know defend it.
It was uh you know, a lot of tasteless content, but I think just generally speaking, um, the Republican base, especially young people in the Republican base have been pushed to a point where they just don't care about how they're interpreted anymore because if you come out again in support of lower tax rates, they will call you a Nazi at this point.
If you come out and you say, I don't want unlimited immigration, or I actually just want to, you know, stop illegal immigration, they call you a Nazi.
So if they call you a Nazi, even when you're being a moderate Republican, if you're saying things that probably 70% of Americans can agree on, then what's the point in trying to adhere to those lines?
Eventually, people stop caring again, eventually people stop giving a hoot and um you know they just start uh you know, they just start spouting off.
And I think that's a point where the left has taken a lot of people in the right too.
Um and the establishment GOP just doesn't recognize that because at the end of the day, they they don't have to face that, they aren't in in contact with the left, they don't know what it's like uh to be in close contact with the left.
You know, college students like the ones that I represent in my role as chairman, they are on campus and face harassment from left-wing people all the time.
But if you are living in a multi-million dollar McMansion in Northern Virginia, and the only experience that you have with the opposite side of the aisle is in the chain is in the halls of Capitol Hill, you're not gonna get that same experience.
And that's a dichotomy, that's sort of the contrast of experiences that's being formed.
And until it is resolved, the young base will continue to be at odds with the with the older establishment element of the Republican Party.
tate brown
Yeah, absolutely.
We're we're we're running against the clock.
We have a little more time.
I don't know.
Do you have any maybe any closing thoughts?
Maybe how what sort of reaction you would like to see, maybe from these uh GOP apparatus.
gabe guidarini
Well, I mean, the reaction I want to see is the reaction I saw from JD Vance and Brandon Gill and a whole lot of other people, which is the Democrats never condemned Jay Jones.
Nobody has revoked their endorsements for Jay Jones after what he did.
If they want to play like that, then we'll play like that too.
We're gonna fight fire with fire, and uh we're not you know, we're not in the in the mood to punch right.
Uh, we just want to punch left.
And that's the only way that we're gonna be able to actually not only push the overtune window, but actually prevent the left from having political power in this country in the way that they did during the bye administration, because they're angling to get back into it.
And the number one thing that they want when they hopefully, you know, they want to reclaim power, they want to defeat Vance or whoever it's gonna be in 2028, they want that precedent to be set so that they can really restrict freedom of speech in this country to prevent another Trump or Republican or conservative or right wing can't uh presidency from ever happening again.
And the number one thing that's gonna help them achieve that precedent is by labeling all of their political opponents as Nazis, fascists, whatever.
They want to make sure that that we can be as alienated as humanly possible, and the only way that that we're gonna prevent that from happening is by getting Republicans who will stand up and uh and press all the fire to the left.
tate brown
Dude, so good.
So good.
Thank you for your insights, man.
Thanks for hopping on.
Where can people find you if they want more?
gabe guidarini
Uh I'm on X at Gabe Guiderini.
Um, you'll also find me on on most of the other social media platforms as well.
But most of my uh political commentary and analysis is done on uh Twitter.
tate brown
Guitarini.
Okay, I was trying to nail the pronunciation beforehand.
So it's it's so Italian, I could like I could taste the wine as I was saying it.
It was it was fantastic.
But well, thank you so much, man.
We'll uh we'll have you back here sometime soon.
So uh appreciate it, man.
gabe guidarini
Appreciate it, man.
Thanks for having me on.
tate brown
Yes, sir.
All righty.
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