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Oct. 14, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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Trump DOJ DEFIES THE COURTS, Tear Gasses Anti Ice Rioters, Civil War Fears Escalate
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tim pool
Donald Trump has stated he is still willing and ready to use the Insurrection Act if he is unable to get a control to get control over what's going on in several of these states such as California, Oregon, and Illinois.
Now, over the past weekend, something particularly alarming occurred, but kind of flew under the radar.
Feds deployed tear gas in Chicago, and it's being asserted by the liberals and the far leftists in the state that they did this in defiance of a court order.
You see, a judge had ruled that feds cannot indiscriminately use riot control methods such as pepper balls or tear gas.
The feds did use this, and it's being claimed by the left.
They did not give a warning, which violates the court order.
Now, y'all may be saying, Tim, I'm sure these men did give a warning.
The left is lying.
But as I've often stated, the truth doesn't matter to a partisan.
What will happen now is that partisan left in Illinois will just flatly believe ICE is evil, has always been evil.
Of course, they're in violation of a court order.
ABC 7 is now asking the question, what do we do?
What happens next when the feds tell the judges they have no authority to stop them?
Now, a question that we asked last night with Peter Navarro as we're discussing the bifurcation of politics in this country.
Why is it?
That when Donald Trump as president does something legal, a judge can do something illegal and Trump will abide by it.
And you all know this.
You've seen it.
Right now, a judge has said that Trump can federalize the Illinois National Guard, but he cannot deploy them.
Well, let's just pause there for a minute.
Trump can federalize the National Guard.
He has the authority to do so as the president.
And of course, he can issue lawful commands.
What about telling a National Guardsman to stand at a building is outside of the control of the president.
Thus, it seems patently obvious that a judge who recognizes Trump can federalize the National Guard, even Chris Christie agreed with Trump.
He can do it.
Yet for some reason, he's constrained and can't give a lawful order to simply stand somewhere.
It's obvious.
The judge has issued an order outside of the authority of the judiciary.
Why then must Trump oblige?
And who breaks first?
This is a question that I think we should all ask ourselves.
When do we think that line will break?
It may be now.
I think there's fair reason to believe the feds deployed tear gas without warning.
I've been in numerous riots myself over a decade, and rarely, if ever, do the police say, heads up, everybody, we're going to use tear gas.
That just doesn't happen.
Sometimes they do.
They'll say this is an illegal gathering.
This assembly or gathering has been deemed unlawful.
You are now being instructed to leave.
They'll do this over the LRAD device, megaphone.
Well, if this is the case, we are now entering, and it's always ever so slightly, the threshold.
We are surpassing that line where Donald Trump or the feds or otherwise are saying what the judge says does not apply or matter.
It doesn't need to be so overt, like a judge says, don't you dare use tear gas and say, I'm going to do it anyway.
It can be you can't use tear gas unless the feds then say, well, we met that threshold.
The judge then says no.
What happens in California?
In 2026, in January, a new law will go into effect where federal law enforcement cannot wear masks.
The DOJ, the DHS has already instructed their personnel to defy the law and continue wearing their masks.
Will these states try to enforce laws against federal law enforcement?
That's the question that's being asked.
We're going to talk about that and a lot more.
Of course, the usual suspects are coming out saying civil war.
Not just myself, the experts like Barbara F. Walters, giving interviews, blaming the right for the rhetoric around Charlie Kirk's death.
I kid you not.
And then we have what I believe to be the best example of why we are entering a truly dark period.
A congressman in Illinois is asserting that a video showing a young woman being arrested is a new video of a 15-year-old immigrant girl being arrested by ICE.
However, according to numerous reports, this is a year-old video of a woman wanted for felony robberies being arrested by local police.
The problem?
Nobody knows.
And whatever you think to be true doesn't matter.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because a member of Congress has come out, issued a formal statement saying, no, it's true.
ICE attacked a teenage girl.
Well, AI says otherwise.
They say there's timestamps and evidence from DHS proving that this is in fact an old video of a criminal being arrested in Chicago by local police.
But the truth does not matter to partisans.
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Now we have this story from the Chicago Sun-Times.
Feds deploy tear gas in another Chicago neighborhood.
A federal judge's temporary restraining order requires federal agents to issue two warnings before using riot-control weapons, such as tear gas.
Witnesses say they didn't get any warning Sunday afternoon.
Well, why would I go ahead and believe these far-left wingnuts?
I wouldn't.
Would you?
Maybe you would.
I don't know.
But they are saying it.
They're all saying we chased federal agents out of Albany Park today.
Guys, you have locals, terrorists, far leftists in Chicago attacking federal agents and bragging about it.
What time do you think it is?
Here's ABC 7.
What happens if federal agents defy court orders?
Experts weigh in on arrests and crowd control tactics.
We have this video from ABC 7.
Let's play tape.
mark rivera
We're trying to answer the question: what happens if federal agents refuse to follow court orders?
And the answer isn't good.
Allegations this weekend of federal agents not following rulings from judges prohibiting certain crowd control tactics and questions today over potential unlawful arrests during an interaction with immigration agents in Northwest Side Albany Park Sunday.
Video appears to show agents deploying tear gas against the public without any audible warning, something that is unlawful under a court order from last week.
unidentified
Leave them alone!
mark rivera
Immigration agents outside of a church in Rogers Park Sunday during a Spanish language mass.
Questions tonight over whether they had warrants targeting specific people or were there without warrants, something that requires additional probable cause and an assessment of an immigrant's flight risk.
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What we have seen now on a much larger scale is federal agents indiscriminately stopping and arresting individuals without warrants and without probable cause required by federal immigration laws.
mark rivera
A fence still up around the Bronteview ICE facility restricting access to a public road tonight after a judge ruled it should be taken down.
The deadline to do so is tomorrow night.
But what happens if...
tim pool
I'm going to pause real quick.
That actually is tonight.
They were instructed to remove a protective barrier on an ICE facility where people have been rioting for, what, a couple weeks now?
mark rivera
Federal agents refuse.
ron safer
I am very worried about where we are right now.
We are on the precipice looking into the abyss of chaos.
If somebody says the judiciary makes a decision and then the executive branch ignores it, that's chaos.
mark rivera
Former federal prosecutor Ron Safer says federal judges can rule according to the law.
But if the executive branch, in this case, federal agents, refuse to follow those rulings, judges don't have an army to enforce their orders.
ron safer
Normally, judges enforce their ruling by contempt orders.
And then the person who is violating the order is fined or imprisoned if it's bad enough.
How do you do that to a cabinet-level official?
And who is going to enforce that?
mark rivera
At that point, the Constitution and American norms require the executive branch to enforce itself.
Something safer is skeptical.
The president will do.
ron safer
It is norms that presidents will respect the decisions of the courts, that they will respect the views of the governors.
That's out the window.
And that is going to create and is creating crises on the streets and in Washington and across the country.
mark rivera
Now, the I-Team reached out to ICE about the incident in Albany Park.
We have not heard back, but whatever party is in power, the courts are the answer for potential government overreach.
But the enforcement doesn't come from the courts.
If you're talking about the federal government, it comes from the federal government itself.
unidentified
It comes from.
tim pool
Let's just take a look at where we're currently at.
There's a fence put up around the Broadview ICE facility because it's been targeted by rioters.
These are not people that are just standing by holding up signs.
These are people that have actually beaten vehicles and attacked people.
Now, I'm not going to pretend like it's the worst riots we've seen in 50 years, but it's a riot nonetheless.
You can't surround a vehicle banging on it and screaming and obstructing the roadway and call that a peaceful assembly because you're literally obstructing law enforcement.
So they put up barriers.
The courts have said no.
In Portland, when they boarded up their windows, the ICE facility to protect the glass, the local police, I suppose it was the Zoning Association, whatever you'd call it in Portland, they were fined for a violation of zoning, saying you have to remove the boards from your windows.
Guys, it is so insanely obvious what is going on.
The most annoying thing about this is the I'm not touching you strategy in the conflict.
The left holding their hand up to the face of an ICE agent figuratively going, I'm not touching you.
I'm not touching you.
We get it.
That's why they're putting up barriers.
And the judge goes, no, take the barrier down.
It'd be like if your sibling was doing the I'm not touching you thing with the hand in your face and the cops were like, they're allowed to do it.
They're certainly not allowed to do it.
AB7 reports, judge orders feds to dial back aggressive response to journalists and protesters in the area.
This from October 10th.
This was the ruling in question where they said you can't just tear gas or pepperball people.
They have to give two warnings.
Now, to be honest, just give the warnings, I guess, right?
That's why I'm kind of not trusting the left when they say they didn't receive a warning.
But take a look at that video and what we're seeing right now.
The American people elected Trump and they want immigration enforcement.
I don't think people understand what's going on.
And, you know, look, as I mentioned, I was in Phoenix.
I was in Austin.
And for the average person, when they go outside, they go to the grocery store, everything seems normal.
Nothing's really happening.
There's no political conflict.
That is quite incorrect.
As I've pointed out a million times with being in Egypt and things like that.
Now, you, as a conservative, can go into Chicago and largely be fine despite being someone of the opposing ideological persuasion.
But what do you think would happen if you wore a Trump flag and wore a MAGA hat?
Now, for the most part, you'd probably still be fine, but you may find yourself getting threatened and you actually have a very high chance of getting physically attacked.
It's kind of crazy, but it's true.
Walk down, like go to Lakeview.
Go to, let's, I don't know, how about Broadway or how about let's go to, I don't know, Broadway and Addison or something.
Maybe, maybe, yeah, we'll just say that.
Wear your MAGA hat, wear your Trump flag, walk around and see what happens.
You're probably going to get a lot of people causing you grief.
To be fair, I don't know.
Maybe in that area, you might get a mixed bag, but it's probably super far left.
The point I'm making, ICE is going in and enforcing law against an occupying force.
That's it.
ICE represents the Constitutional Republic.
CBP and ICE agents going and arresting people.
They say, without warrants, the new lie they've created is that you need a quote-unquote judicial warrant because they're making the argument that immigration courts don't count because they operate under the executive branch.
That immigration is constitutionally under the executive branch.
So, yes, that's what happens.
And probable cause is simple.
You'll be stopped by DHS.
They will say, are you a citizen?
Are you here legally?
And if you are, what happens in that video we just watched?
They walked away.
How remarkable.
Am I supposed to be angry that I walked on the street and an ICE guy comes up and says, howdy, you got an idea on you?
Yes, sir, I certainly do.
Ask me some questions.
I'll be back.
Look, I'm an American.
I appreciate it.
I've had it happen to me before.
Not even in the most tumultuous of times.
The problem is the Biden administration brought in upwards of 20 million in the high estimates.
And these people are now occupying our cities.
So what happens?
The people you see on the streets screaming Ayudime, this is the most shockingly offensive and rage-inducing thing.
I got to tell you, this video where the cops are trying to detain a guy and he's screaming Ayudime, he's basically saying, your law enforcement means nothing.
Your community means nothing.
And he is yelling to the other illegal immigrants, help me.
And the bystanders do help him.
This doesn't end well.
Let's take a look at where we're at.
Fox News reporting today.
Trump, once again, the headline says Trump floats using Insurrection Act to combat Chicago crime.
Says Pritzker should beg for his help.
The argument we keep hearing from the left is that Trump's wrong about what's actually going on.
I think we got this from CNN.
Trump claims Trump's claims about violence are falling apart in court.
The issue isn't the overt violence.
It's the obstruction.
It is that we are dealing with an occupying force that does not view itself as American, hates the United States of America.
So, what do you do?
I want to show you this video from Andy No.
He says, or actually this post: on October 11th, Portland police arrested two conservatives near the ICE facility.
A conservative activist was struck in the head with what appears to be a rock.
He fell to the ground.
The suspect fled and got away.
While in hospital, well, in the hospital, Andy, the assault victim, Brian Wesley Crowell-Drogged, was criminally cited by police for fourth-degree assault, although it's unclear for what incident.
Separately, a man named Harold Alston Smith was arrested and charged with fourth-degree assault.
He allegedly got into a physical scuffle with a leftist woman who confronted him.
The woman was not arrested.
My point: I brought this up yesterday: that people don't seem to understand.
When you go to Portland, you are entering enemy grounds.
The police are not arresting conservatives.
They are subduing enemy partisans who are attacking their home.
Now, you may be saying, that's an absurdity.
The people are just filming.
They're going there to film and support the police.
Portland police have been instructed already, according to numerous reports, to collect information to criminally prosecute federal law enforcement officers.
You going there are aiding this foreign invasive force in their land.
Can I just, people really don't get it.
The police have arrested numerous conservatives.
Nick Sorter got attacked.
They arrested him.
Kitty Davis Court got bashed in the face by a poll, and the police refused to intervene.
And people are acting like they're surprised because conservatives haven't figured it out yet.
It's been this way for some time, but these people, including the cops, let's just separate right now so you can try to understand this.
You, dear viewer conservative, not all of you, but many of you, seem to think that these people fly the American flag and are Americans.
They fly the progress pride flag.
What would you do?
Honest question.
If a cartel member crossed into the country illegally and started defending illegal immigrants, you'd say arrest them both.
Okay, right?
That feeling you have where you're like, how dare you enter my country illegally is the feeling the Portland police officers have when you conservative come into their state.
They say, how dare you invade my home?
People are shocked to find that Portland police, who are communists, are arresting conservatives.
This is the creation of parallel factions in this country.
A nation is not its territory, it is its people.
And this is evidenced by the fact that Texas westward expansion manifest destiny.
It didn't matter where the people were.
It mattered that when people moved into these areas, those areas became part of that nation because it was its people.
In the United States, you have two nations, the Multicultural Democracy of America and the Constitutional Republic of America.
Now, let me show you what the multicultural democracy individuals say about you.
Are we headed for a second civil war, the bulwark?
This is Barbara F. Walters.
She believes we are.
Here's their podcast.
barbara f walter
I recently wrote an article.
I have a Substack newsletter, and it was about Charlie Kirk and why Charlie Kirk was not our rights tag moment, but why a lot of people.
tim pool
Reichstag?
As if to imply a world war or an invasion would happen?
Do you mean Fort Sumter?
Whatever I digress.
Let's play more.
barbara f walter
People thought it was.
So Charlie Kirk's murder was really, I think, quite shocking to America, to the media.
My email went crazy.
My phone went off the hook.
Everybody suddenly wanted to know: you know, is this the start of a civil war?
Is this the start of something, something big?
And I think Charlie Kirk's murder.
We've had assassinations like that over the last few years.
Political violence has been increasing here in the United States since at least 2008, pretty consistently.
But I do think there was something different about this particular case.
And it really had everything to do with how the country reacted to it, not the killing per se.
And there were three things that were really different.
And then I'll tell you why I don't think this is actually the moment.
The first thing that was different is that when something like this happens, when Giffords was shot, when Republican congressmen were shot playing baseball, when the Wisconsin state legislatures were shot, the country came together, and that included our political leadership.
So Democrats and Republicans all came together in the immediate aftermath of that and said, we need to unify.
We need to condemn this violence.
And they did condemn the violence.
That didn't happen with Charlie Kirk.
tim pool
She's correct.
Leftists went out and celebrated, posted videos saying it was great.
A man was cheering in the crowd.
AOC, Prince, like the leading Democrat, went on the House floor to condemn Charlie Kirk within like a week of his being murdered.
So she's right, right?
Well, guess what she says?
barbara f walter
Immediately, you had Laura Loomer and Elon Musk and Donald Trump saying this is, you know, this is a sign of how evil the left is.
tim pool
Because the person accused of killing Charlie Kirk shared ideology with mainstream Democrats and they were celebrating his death.
barbara f walter
And we're going to hit back if we're going to hit back hard.
tim pool
No one ever said that.
Perhaps they're, no, to be fair, to be fair, if she's paraphrasing, many people said it's time for the use of law enforcement to go after these criminal elements.
But you see how they see the world?
It doesn't matter what you think.
You are not convincing this woman that she has done anything wrong.
She is happy that they are celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk.
It doesn't matter to her that they're doing it.
It doesn't matter that you know they're doing it.
It doesn't matter that your response was actually stop celebrating murder to her.
How dare you criticize us?
That's what she's saying.
We are cooked.
With people like this and elements like this, this being the worldview of the left, you tell me, because I hope and I pray and I beg that I'm wrong.
But how have we come to this point?
Because these people are psychopaths.
They don't care what's true.
They don't care about de-escalation.
Most of them want the conflict.
And the immediate response to the murder of Charlie Kirk was not a riot.
It was a memorial where people prayed and called for the legitimate use of law enforcement.
Like when I made the video an hour after Charlie was murdered and I said, cooler heads must prevail.
Law enforcement needs to handle this.
And we found that this man's ideology is aligned with the mainstream Democratic Party.
AOC goes on the House floor and says, yeah, well, Charlie Kirk was a bad guy.
MSNBC had to fire a guy because he said, I'm paraphrasing, when you speak hate, expect actions against you.
That was their response.
So, how dare we?
How dare we say you guys are psychopaths and she's blaming us for the escalation?
Lord, have mercy.
barbara f walter
Rather than using this as a moment of peace to unify the country, it was used as a battle cry.
And that's really disturbing.
unidentified
Let me pause you there.
Let me pause you there because it's used as a battle cry for vengeance among people in power or proximity to power.
I want to clarify that in the immediate aftermath of that shooting, the Democrats uniformly, high-level Democrats uniformly condemned it.
Yes.
tim pool
High-level Democrats, this is correct.
Hillary Clinton, I believe, Barack Obama, a handful of prominent personalities said the shooting was wrong, except in the cultural space, they said, but Charlie was a bad guy.
On the House floor, AOC says, we will not defend Charlie Kirk's views, speech, as a person.
The funny thing is, AOC hated Charlie Kirk over lies and smears that have been repeated over and over again for the same reason the alleged assassin did.
unidentified
Condemned political violence, offered prayers for Charlie Kirk and his family, despite a long history of disagreements.
And I'm talking about Barack Obama, you know, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, on and on and on.
So, you know, internet mobs.
tim pool
I just want to prove them wrong just because this is what we're here to do.
MSNBC fires analyst Matthew Dowd over Charlie Kirk remarks.
Dowd said the slain activists' words may have fueled the violence that claimed his life.
Well, what he said was, when you say these things, expect the actions to be taken against you.
unidentified
Can't be held accountable.
It's really about people in power and people with platforms.
And it does need to be said that Democrats were swift and uniform in their obvious and rightful condemnation of political violence.
tim pool
So what is her argument?
Honest question.
The alleged assassin wrote Bella Chow, which is an anti-Fassong on the bullet used that was in the chamber.
Hey, fascist, catch was one of the things written on the bullet and scraped.
He didn't say engraved, but like, you know, engraved it into the bullet.
So when a left-aligned individual that is being celebrated and praised by young liberals all across social media does this, and the right's response is, we have to start arresting these criminal elements and those sending death threats, they say, oh, no, it's a civil war.
Understand this.
When they kill you and you say, guys, let's use a legal apparatus to stop this, they say, you're attacking us.
It's civil war.
barbara f walter
A really important point to make that what you're seeing is one party here in the United States using a moment like this to vilify the left and to paint it as evil and to paint it as a threat to America.
tim pool
Celebrated celebrated his death.
Everybody knows people were getting fired from their jobs.
These are the whack-a-loons.
I will tell you this.
Barbara F. Walters knows she's lying.
There's no reality in which someone who's doing this research and trying to track the statements from all sides to figure out what's going on is ignorant to these facts.
She knows.
barbara f walter
And so to get back to the Reichstag analogy, what are the challenges that democratically elected politicians who want to become autocrats have?
And Hitler, for example, was democratically elected.
He was quite popular in Germany when he came to power.
But one of the challenges that these types of politicians have is that they still are operating in a democracy.
And so they can slowly and secretly sort of weaken all the Democratic institutions.
They can eliminate some of the guardrails.
tim pool
Listen, guys, you listen to a woman like this, and I'm sorry.
Anyone who's paying attention in any meaningful way knows exactly what's happening.
Trump was arrested several times.
His lawyers were arrested.
False charges were presented against them.
The Democratic establishment, the administration, not only accused Donald Trump of being a traitor, but also maligned, I'll take this one personally, opposition media, including me, Benny Johnson, Dave Rubin, with a fake story about Russian funding, which at the time we all knew was patently absurd and fake because I don't take any, we have no investment at this company.
It's all been independently grown and organically developed over time.
Certainly there have been challenges and I've had to navigate censorship and things like that.
We had a licensing agreement with a company based out of Nashville.
The Biden DOJ launched a fake investigation.
It's fake.
They did clever things to make it seem like Tenet was secretly part of some Russian operation, which is false.
Shut the company down without investigation.
YouTube deleted all of our videos without any proof of anything actually having happened.
And within about a month and a half of that claim being launched, they stopped investigating.
I know because I had two different legal teams communicating with the FBI at the time under the Biden DOJ saying, we're going to see this one all the way to the end.
And they said, you know what?
We've changed our mind.
Don't worry about it.
We're done with this.
And I was shocked to find, not really, in December that I was informed, there is no case.
They will not be pursuing this.
It's over.
And I said, what do you mean?
What do you mean it's over?
Are they going to announce this to the public?
Are they going to say there's actually no evidence and we're dropping the case?
They didn't.
Because the whole point was an October surprise where they target their political enemies, be it Trump's lawyers, Trump himself, his confidants and associates, or simply opposition media.
That's how dangerous and insane things have gotten in this country.
To hear these women's words, I hope you're paying attention.
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We'll start with this.
From Fox News, Trump floats using the Insurrection Act to combat Chicago crime.
It says Pritzker should beg for his help.
Right now in Chicago, it is being argued that the feds are defying court orders.
In Portland, we are seeing stories about conservatives being arrested despite being the victims.
One man struck in the head with a rock, falls to the ground, goes to the hospital, and gets arrested while in the hospital.
What is going on?
I think it's patently obvious to anyone who's paying attention.
The lines are dividing.
The lines have been drawn a long time ago, but the division is getting worse.
Democrats are acting like feds are an invasive, illegal occupationary force because they don't recognize the authority of government.
They don't need to say it.
Actions speak louder than words.
Now, joining us to give us a breakdown of just how bad it really is, we have the man, the myth, the legend himself, Mike Benz.
Let's pull this up, make sure we've got everything working.
Testing, one, two, three.
It looks like we're pretty good.
So we'll be starting this up.
It sounds like we're good.
I think we are.
Sometimes the audio gives us issues.
I see Mike.
Mike, how's it going?
unidentified
Tim.
tim pool
How are you?
unidentified
Great.
tim pool
How are you doing?
I'm doing fairly well.
We've got some crazy stories over the past weekend.
I know that you've been tracking a lot of this deep state stuff, but one thing that we're seeing now, we were just talking about is in Chicago, activists and the media are now alleging that federal law enforcement have begun to defy the courts using tear gas and pepper balls despite a court order barring them from doing so.
Whether it's true or not doesn't matter because we are seeing, again, in Portland, they're arresting conservatives.
They're arresting partisans.
It looks to me like when you go back to the arrest of Donald Trump, the arrest of his lawyers, the accusation that he was a traitor, not to mention everything you've covered, this divide is, we are looking through the glass at an opposition force in this country that I would describe as a separate nation.
Actually, to be fair, this is the words of Stephen Marsh, who wrote the book, The Second Civil War, where he said, you have a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic inside the United States.
With everything you've covered, USAID, all of the funding of this, I'm curious what you see as happening and where you think it'll go.
mike benz
I think that's right.
Street protests are a and paramilitary violence or damage to property is a very important subcomponent of political pressure applied by the uniparty blob fixture, both abroad and at home.
We know that, for example, when aspects of the U.S. State Department or intelligence agencies or Department of War want to destabilize and empower government, the first thing they do is they use this Gene Sharp color revolution, people-powered revolution.
Literally, it's a textbook.
It's called From Dictatorship to Democracy.
It's translated in something like 128 different languages and dialects and given out to protesters.
And usually, the front lines are the dispossessed in the country.
They get a coalition of the fringes together.
They get the unemployed people, the drug addicts, young people, union members, criminals, literally.
There's a CIA manual from 1983 on using organized crime for street protests.
And I thought it was very interesting since Antifa is obviously the central theme around these groups.
There's an Antifa blog called Crimethink, which when Trump announced that he would be declaring Antifa a terrorist organization, they put out this kind of article, almost white paper type analysis saying that they weren't yet sure how Trump would enforce the executive order,
whether they would go bottom up cell by cell through all the different Antifa cells or whether they would go top down against quote massive liberal foundations and endowments, which I thought was an interesting tell.
It's like Antifa self-reporting about their own structure, that while they purport to be kind of decentralized cell networks, it's all top down from money from these massive liberal foundations.
tim pool
We're getting a weird demonic feedback from you where it's like, I don't know if you noticed that every few seconds.
There's like a your voice is replicating at a lower octave.
I don't know.
mike benz
We'll find out.
I told your producer something.
I just moved into a new apartment and I don't have Wi-Fi yet.
unidentified
So it doesn't arrive till tomorrow the router.
mike benz
So I'm on 5D in an empty, unfurnished apartment.
So there's probably both echo and lag.
So apologies for that.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
Well, we'll fight through it.
Seeing these, you know, in Portland, there's this video from Andy No, and we've heard about Nick Sorter getting attacked and then the police arrest him.
You know, I've tried explaining to these conservatives, they need to understand the ideology of this left liberal multicultural democracy, whatever you want to call it.
When they say that they are going to by any means necessary, they mean it.
And this assumption that you can trust the law enforcement in jurisdictions controlled by these people, it's crazy that people think they're going to go to Portland.
You are going into Antifa country.
And when you get attacked by Antifa, you walk up to Antifa wearing a badge and say, Mr. Antifa in a badge, will you help me?
And they laugh and they arrest you.
I mean, I think it should be patently obvious to anybody when they arrested Trump's lawyers for simply trying to defend him.
We are in a whole new territory.
mike benz
But based on everything you've recognized, Trump's lawyers, his accountants, his media support system, and even his valet, the FBI.
Before they indicted his valet because he wouldn't cooperate and turn against Trump, they actually coached him to appear sweaty so that he was out for a, it looked like he was out for a jog rather than meeting secretly with the feds.
They went after every aspect of it.
But to your point, Tim, think about Letitia James, another one of these Soros-associated fair and just prosecutions, this FJP group, which runs through the Tommy Center and the Soros networks.
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Letitia James is a career criminal.
mike benz
Her whole family, it just came out yesterday that not only was she involved in mortgage fraud and has been indicted for that, but in the fraud home, and the irony of all irony, she indicted Trump on effectively housing fraud for inflating the value of Mar-a-Lago, which was an insane case, while she was committing mortgage fraud herself, at least according to the court documents.
But it turns out now, allegedly, she had a niece staying in that house as a fugitive from charges in, I believe it was North Carolina for grand larceny, burglary, and child abuse.
So you have career criminals who are the career prosecutors in these jurisdictions.
tim pool
I can only predict that based on what we've seen over the past 10 years, what we're seeing today, it's fairly obvious.
I don't know how this goes any other way, but, well, let me lighten up.
Civil war is the buzz phrase that everyone's been saying for some time.
I mean, Trump took a bullet in the side of his head.
Charlie Kirk was murdered.
But there's also the possible of revolution or, I don't know what you maybe revitalization.
And that is massive change is coming.
Either the right coalition crushes the left, the left coalition crushes the right, or there's an active kinetic conflict.
I'm curious what you think happens.
mike benz
I actually think a lot of it is downstream of the money.
And I think that when you look at Antifa's operations, for example, the fact that Antifa was on the ground in Syria and according to Rolling Stone, the closest ally of the Department of War on the ground during the CIA's Operation Timber Sycamore.
You look at Antifa's actions in Germany, assisting the Victoria Newland blob against the AFD party, or Antifa in France assisting the Biden blob, the Biden-Obama blob against Maureen Le Penin.
You look at Antifa becoming this giant, This giant sort of vaccine enforcement mob that was breaking up anti-vax.
You look at their climate change orthodoxy.
You can go to Yoran Central, the anonymous group account on Twitter with millions of followers.
That is kind of this unofficial voice from the ether of Antifa.
And every single one of the political opponents that Antifa has is an opponent of George Soros, of Joe Biden, of Barack Obama.
And it's also an enforcement mechanism for their financial ecosystem.
And I think this is a major, major thing to track as the treasury is leaking to sanction these groups internationally and prevent as they're being designated essentially an international terrorist group, which I think is the right way to go about it, because this is an international network who explicitly endorses violence.
But that has been harbored within our own international facing agencies.
I did a stream recently on the U.S. Institute of Peace, which has many of these figures in their street mob organizing.
They call it the non-violent action program, but it explicitly endorses violence.
It says we don't consider property destruction, arson, blowing up pipelines, destroying police precincts.
We don't count that as quote violent action.
And so they greenlit the director of the U.S. government agency.
This is Maria Stefan and Erica Chenowic, all these folks who are closely associated with this Antifa organizing network.
They explicitly endorse property violence and even encourage folks to have quote a high risk tolerance to get arrested.
So they look for people who are willing to get arrested.
Of course, they have a support system through the National Lawyers Guild to pay for their legal fees, to pay for their bail them out.
We saw the Attorney General of the entire state of Minnesota holding up the Mark Bray Antifa handbook while he's in charge of the entire criminal justice system in Minnesota where the George Floyd riots popped off.
How do you think that filters down into the local prosecutors when the attorney general of the entire state is holding up the Antifa handbook and Mark Bray, who wrote that handbook and tried to flee the country this week and was stopped?
He was stopped as he right.
But his parting words on Blue Sky were to continue the resistance, quote, legal or not.
And these are the people in charge of the legal system.
tim pool
What do you mean he was stopped?
What happened?
mike benz
Well, he tried to flee to Spain.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike benz
And I think he was turned back at the airport.
I think, I don't know what the status of that was currently, but last week he announced that he was fleeing to Spain.
And I think because he's likely under FBI investigation, I don't know if they put a pause on his passport and took him in for questioning, but this was widely reported in the news.
You know, they reported him as, I think, a Rutgers professor or I forget which university, Northeastern.
But you see, there's this money network, and it starts at the hedge funds and the private equity funds.
And they sponsor the political class, they sponsor your Barack Obama's, your Joe Biden's, but they also invest region by region in all the different industries and businesses that Antifa serves to support.
Think about this.
When Antifa goes and breaks up an anti-Pfizer protest, who is that good for?
George Soros has massive investments in companies like AstraZeneca and JJ and massive investments in the climate space.
I reported this in Brazil, for example, where these pro-Lula mobs break up Bolsonaro meetings.
Well, the first thing Lula did after being backed by the State Department and these George Soros networks was to implement these ethanol mandates so that you by force of the government, you had to buy from companies, portfolio companies that the George Soros Management Fund had already taken giant long investments in.
So Soros made about $185 million through his management fund simply for installing a candidate who forced people to buy the products and services of George Soros companies.
You see the same thing with the Al Gore climate.
Al Gore is a multi-billionaire now because of his hedge fund that basically takes these positions on climate investments.
Bill Gates has the same, his breakthrough ventures, which is a major climate fund.
And you have these antifa, you know, eco-fascist, eco-terror, eco-fascist terrorism types who are doing this work through Antifa.
I think if you shut down the money at the university level, and Trump is trying to do this through this university compact and hedging the grants, $9 billion in grants were owed to the Harvard endowment, effectively, or Harvard University, until Trump just cut off about $7 billion of that, $400 million to Columbia, $2 billion to Yale.
All of this funds the professoriate class who teaches the theory.
These teachers double as organizers.
For example, Mark Bray, who wrote the Antifa Handbook that Keith Ellison was holding up, and Mark Bray openly on social media saying engage in these actions, legal or not.
He is doubling as a professor and an organizer of the students.
Michael Lodenthal is another great example of this.
And so if you take the money out, I think the ideology actually changes very quickly.
tim pool
There's an update.
So I did pull it up.
Mark Bray had attempted to flee to Spain.
However, his boarding passes, they got everything checked in, got their boarding passes, got to the gate.
Reportedly, the reservations were then canceled.
He called it fishy.
He was turned back, rebooked a day later.
He did make it to Spain.
But it is curious as to why he was initially turned back.
And I have to, they're investing.
I mean, Glenn Beck said that the FBI came to his house and sat down with him for, I think, several hours to go over what he knows about these organizing groups.
And it's fascinating because there was a, I was talking about this earlier, a podcast from the Bulwark.
And this is what we see from these liberals.
They mocked Glenn Beck for talking with the FBI about Antifa, but offered up no rebuttal or criticism other than to just laugh.
It's the weirdest thing, the world these people live in.
They say, haha, Glenn Beck, the FBI, they all start laughing.
Wow, he's so dumb.
The FBI is so dumb.
Ha ha.
They didn't actually tell me why it was wrong or what was going on.
And so what I end up seeing, you know, make a great point with the, that Antifa becomes the enforcer of all things, the blob, the machine state.
There was a anti-mask protest.
It was protesters who said mask mandates are wrong.
Antifa physically attacked him, started punching these people.
Why is Antifa going on beating up some random old guy who doesn't want to wear a mask?
It makes no sense.
These people are on the left.
They rally in ignorance.
You know, maybe it's because they lack the ability or they're just scared and they fall in line.
But with that being said, I don't see a reality where we escape this without some escalation of conflict.
And that could be maybe Trump forcefully occupies the blue states and declares an insurrection and takes command of their criminal justice apparatus.
Or Trump, you know, come 2026, Democrats win the midterms, impeach Trump again.
It largely does nothing.
A Democrat wins in 28, and then we're all in prison, or something like that.
Or maybe both sides refuse to back down.
And when Trump tries to occupy a blue state, they say no and they shoot back.
Do you think we avoid this?
Do you think I'm wrong?
I mean, to be fair, it's very broad what I'm describing.
mike benz
Right.
Well, these are plausible scenarios.
I think that there is a middle path through, which is instead of the helium in the balloon getting so intense that the whole thing pops, there is, I think, a way to let air out of the balloon simply by squeezing the money supply.
And this is sort of the strategy that I'm articulating here.
And I think there's lots of ways to do this.
So, one of the things that's really fascinating about this network is how much it simulates clandestine, what do they call it, networked, clandestine, clandestine, clandestine, disney, clandestine, just call it clandestine, network clandestine, this concept that Michael Lodenthal, this major antifa professor, talks about.
And it's very interesting, just to come back to this Spain thing.
In Spain, this is another major blob node.
The blob has been trying to stop the Vox party in Spain by any means possible, in large part because of the energy policy advocated by the Spanish Vox Party.
Spain is one of the major ports through which LNG is transported, this transition fuel away from oil.
And they say that natural gas is effectively this transport through on the way to clean energy.
And so, part of bombing the Nord Stream pipeline, part of the strategy for many of these major gas companies, was to play on liquefied natural gas, where you have all this Houston gas that can be transported through LNG to ports in Spain, Portugal, and Poland.
Those are the major hubs to take the market that Russia used to have.
And you'll note these antipa networks are all Trump equals Putin.
They're magically, you know, while they have folks saying, oh, you know, Putin is bringing back communism and the like and authoritarian suddenly they're not opposed.
They're completely aligned with the CIA on it.
But what I'll note on Spain is the blob has run operations against the right-wing populist Vox party in Spain for a very long time now.
In fact, the same forces in Poland, Anne Applebaum, who was almost the first lady of Poland, she's married currently to the foreign minister, their head of the State Department, Radek Sikorsky, who, as soon as the Nord Stream pipeline was bombed, creating a massive market in Spain, because now instead of Russian gas, they'd have to ship in LNG through Spain.
Radik Sikorsky in Poland tweeted out, thank you, USA.
And it just came out today.
Tim, today, Poland instructed the German government to stop its investigation of the Nord Stream pipeline bombing.
Wow.
This is an incredible thing because the Germans arrested a Ukrainian diving team, and they don't want Germany to get to the real answer of who exactly how deep it goes, given, for example, that U.S. intelligence took over for Ukrainian intelligence in 2014, as reported by the New York Times, day one post-Maidan coup.
They don't want Germany investigating who was complicit in the Nord Stream pipeline.
And it's the same folks who are involved in Spain.
But Raddicks, of course, his wife, Anne Applebaum, who's on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy, one of the biggest CIA fronts in the entire United States arsenal.
She ran this operation in 2015 called the Integrity Initiative, where they had this, they called it a network of networks, which is the exact phrase that Michael Lodenthal uses in his book, The Politics of Attack, this Antifa guidebook on Antifa tactics, promoting them.
And it's a clandestine network of networks where they recruited decentralized cluster cells.
This is literally in the orientation manual, where they gave strict OPSEC instructions to be, quote, helpfully uninformative about the leadership structure and the founding of the organization.
And her group worked behind the scenes.
This all came out publicly in these leaked documents to eliminate Pedro Banos, who was going to be the defense minister in Spain, and to run this covert operation to destroy his nomination.
But what I'm saying is, this is something for the ODNI.
If ODNI can pull, for example, you know 100% that the CIA and DOD worked with Antifa on the ground in Syria.
I believe you will see, if you were to simply run a keyword search for anti-fascist or antifa or any of the associated keyword terms in Germany, you will find the same thing under the Undersecretary for Political Affairs, Victoria Newland, as she ran the Biden administration's political section of the State Department.
I think if you just pull all the political section at state, all the USAID files in terms of groups that went to quote anti-fascist groups, you go to ODI and you look at, for example, the CIA occupied the entire top floor of the State Department in the 20th century in the Paris office.
I bet you will find the links in France.
You will find the links in Switzerland.
You will find the links.
I think that this network relies on clandestine, tight OPSEC in order to prevent public disclosure of leadership and funding.
And I believe they were a tool of statecraft.
So, in addition to the treasury actions on sanctioning, in addition to the FBI and DHS actions at law enforcement, I believe you need effectively an Antifa files for the U.S. federal government the same way we had MLK files and JFK files.
And I believe that could destroy the network by simply making it all public.
tim pool
You know, you know, that you were a target of the deep state a long time ago.
You probably know better than I do, but the first time we had you on Timcast IRL, to me, it was uneventful.
Let me explain.
I get a notification from our booking team.
We're having Mike Benz on.
It's a mundane routine day.
Here's our guest.
Here's his expertise.
I'm not saying anything about you being mundane.
I'm saying just another day, just another guest.
I got, in the weirdest way, a bunch of tweets, even DMs from people who are somewhat associated with either left-wing activism or groups that told me not to have you on the show.
Some of them were things like, you're actually having that guy on your show?
Did you even look into it?
Oh my God.
And I was weirded out by this because I'm like, you've not given me an argument.
And certainly, Mike Benz is not the most shocking and controversial person we've ever booked for the show.
But some of these individuals were antifa-aligned liberal people that I've known since like Occupy sending me DMs.
And they were trying to insinuate that there was some kind of, this is weird.
I've never gotten the reaction to any guest the way the reaction I got to you with these activists messaging me with no real stance, grounds, or political argument as to why I should not have you on the show.
And they were saying something like, LOL, Mike Benn's gross.
Did you even look into him?
As if to like make me worried about you being on.
And I'm like, I don't care.
Shut up.
But it really seemed like a coordinated attack on me, trying to get me scared of some kind of backlash or cancellation to you appearing on the show.
Of course, it was a totally normal show where you laid out a lot of these positions, the investigation and the work that you've done.
I think seeing all of this, it is part of this network, a coordinate effort.
And I'll put it this way: a lot of people talk about, oh, you can't talk about this.
You can't talk about that on the internet.
Oh, if you say a certain word, they'll ban you.
No, no, no, no.
There were a few instances where you would get really banned.
There have been only a few experiences I've had where you can tell.
Eric Chiaramella was one of them.
When Trump was accused, and Real Clear Investigations reported the accuser must be Eric Charamella.
If you said his name on YouTube, they would delete the video instantly on Facebook.
You can say on Twitter either.
If on Facebook you wrote Eric Charmella, the post would vanish instantly.
And then to a lesser degree, the strange experience I had was when you were booked for the show for the first time, all of these weird people popping out of the woodwork trying to get me to not have you on the show.
Have you experienced more than that?
mike benz
Well, you know, it's so funny because they're afraid of losing the money.
There are folks who sense that I'm close with the admin in terms of them following my account and many of the NGOs getting defunded that I've been naming.
But what's the strangest thing was I think the first time I was on your show was probably early 2024-ish.
And during the transition, maybe 2023.
But during the transition, I had about a half dozen NGO representatives reach out to me and plea for their lives, effectively plea for their funding lives, saying, I know that we've done some things wrong and in the past, but we can bring our organization into alignment as long as we have the grants and capacity to do it.
And so I think a lot of this just comes down to the money, which is that they have relied on weasel words and lie language.
And my job has been to decode that for policymakers.
But Tim, they went after you in an unbelievable way.
I don't know if, I mean, if you've seen some of the extent of it, I posted a video a while back about how you were targeted during the 2020 election using AI scan and ban technology.
You were targeted by the Atlantic Council, which has seven CIA directors on its board, and annual funding from the Pentagon, the State Department, USAID, and the National Council for Democracy.
The Atlanta Council, Graphica, the University of Washington, and the Stanford Airnet Observatory fingered you and actually gave a case study of how you amplified a major narrative about, what was it?
I think it was ballot harvesting.
And they used this AI, it was available and Facebook kind of shut it down as it's moved over to this more free speech oriented model.
But they used to have this open source for outside researchers.
These are all operatives, so that you could use this essentially AI tool as an API to get the internal effectively narrative tracking.
So you could track if Donald Jr., Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out a tweet about a narrative.
You could get the origin of who he retweeted it from and who they've retreated, retrieved it from who they quote tweeted it from, and you could create this whole narrative network map.
And they think of you as the moment that this narrative around ballot harvesting went from sort of fringier accounts to hit like this giant mainstream that amplified its way to the White House.
And they essentially said, this is the class that we need to cut off.
They were very concerned at the time in 2020, before Trump got formally banned in early 2021 about what they called the martyr effect.
They felt they didn't have the political capital to nuke Donald Trump's account or Don Jr.'s account.
And so they commissioned actually the National Science Foundation funds to deal to study how to minimize the quote the martyr effect or effectively the Streisand effect from censoring someone.
And they came up with top-down models, bottom-up models, random partial ban things where they would create this network and they'd say, okay, well, we can't ban Trump, but here are the top lieutenants that he retweets from.
And here are the giant sort of tranches of small accounts that nobody knows and doesn't have brand recognition.
So if we censor 65% of the small accounts, but we keep the top accounts, we can kill the amplification model.
unidentified
And this is probably the only thing stopping Nick Sorter from being in jail right now.
mike benz
If you remember, the Portland police made a tweet.
We understand that there's been an arrest warrant against an individual with a large number of social media followers.
That's probably the only reason they dropped the case was because of the blowback from that.
tim pool
One last thing before we wrap is it's amazing to hear you say this because this is exactly what I predicted was happening following the 2018 mass censorship of conservatives.
What we saw was overnight, recommendations dropped by like 90%.
And what I explained to people was what they're engaging in is a pressure system where they don't want to ban every conservative outright because that would create a massive backlash.
What they want to do is play a math game.
We call this in poker EV plus EV expected value positive or negative.
They want to create a system by which they tilt the scales so that over a long enough period of time, the left ideology expands and the right contracts.
So instead of just outright banning all the conservatives, every month you ban a small conservative and restrict their ability to communicate.
I actually think recently the views on my Timcast news channel skyrocketed.
Subscribers started growing.
And it was after I pointed out that I believed my channel.
So it was like a month ago, I said, I believe legacy censorship weights still exist on my channel from the Biden administration.
What happened?
Two weeks later, my views doubled, which indicates someone at Google heard me say it, went and checked, because this happened before in, I think it was 2021.
You couldn't Google search Timcast IRL or Timcast.
The YouTube videos wouldn't come up.
I mentioned it on the show.
On the show at that moment, you could all of a sudden search for Timcast again.
So we are definitely over time.
So, Mike, where can people find you?
mike benz
You can find me on X at MikeBencyber, also on YouTube, Rumble, Instagram, everywhere.
It's Mike Ben Cyber.
And even that, I'll just say final thing, Tim.
Google is competing right now.
This comes down to the money too.
They paid Trump $25 million as a supplement for his account being banned.
They've let other accounts like London Reel back on.
But a lot of this is because of the money.
They're competing for government contracts against XAI and ChatGPT, and Google doesn't want to be on the outs.
So it comes down to the money, honey.
And that's what's got to come up.
We have to go after with Dante for now.
tim pool
Right on, Mike.
I appreciate you chiming in with to have you back soon.
Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Next time.
tim pool
Have a good one.
You too.
That is the great Mike Benz.
Man, that guy knows all about what's going on with the Deep State machine, and he's been right for a long time.
I do.
I thought he was on a while ago.
It might have been a year or two ago.
I am fully cognizant of the audio issues.
What I think was happening was he's in an echoey room, and I think that when he would talk, the echo would bounce back somewhat after the fact.
But if his mic has got a noise gate threshold to pick up audio, it would only pick it up when he talked, creating that weird recurring echo.
We had the problem with my voice echoing before, and it turned out it was on our end.
We fixed that problem.
So we're going to go in, and because it was on the low end, I can easily pull it out with the parametric equalizer.
So I apologize for that.
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