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Aug. 28, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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Catholics Targeted By TRANS Shooter, Left Blames CHRISTIANITY
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Good afternoon, Rumblers.
This is Tate Brown here holding it down for Tim Poole.
tate brown
This is the afternoon hour of the Rumble Morning lineup.
unidentified
Yeah, once again, holding it down for Tim Pool.
Should get him back Monday.
tate brown
I just got that update, so I think we'll be ready to rock.
So this is probably the last time you'll be seeing me for a while.
unidentified
Knock on wood.
We can get Tim back here.
Today we're going to go, we're going to do a deep dive on the Minnesota shooting.
I mean, obviously, it's been all over the headlines.
And rightfully so, people aren't really interested in talking about much else because this issue really does hit at something that people have been sensing for a long time.
So yesterday on the show, obviously, sorry, I'm just adjusting the mic here.
I think we're good.
tate brown
Did I break anything?
unidentified
Okay.
All right.
Yeah, I just tend to break stuff all the time.
tate brown
These things happen.
unidentified
Yesterday when I went live at noon, I mean, I was going in, I was going into the story with virtually no information.
I mean, we knew that there was a shooting, and that was basically the extent of it.
So, you know, I was, I had more of a non-confrontational sort of disposition because I didn't know, you know, what was going on.
Same with, you know, the elected officials.
They hadn't really spoken or said much about it.
Well, 24 hours later, a lot of the things that I suspected have came to fruition.
I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to pontificate yesterday.
But unfortunately, the left is evil and they cannot help themselves.
So, again, nothing new if you've been around.
But yes, all this to say, we will be doing a deep dive on the Minnesota shooting, the targeting of Catholics in Minneapolis.
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And at the half hour mark, we will be joined by Naomi Best.
She is an expert on this sorts of things.
She's been going to war, so to speak, with the woke trans, whatever you want to call it, ideology in the therapy world and the mental health world.
She's fantastic.
She's fantastic.
You guys are really in for a treat.
So stick around for that, that interview at the half hour mark.
But with that, let's get into our first story.
This is the first, I say the first piece on this story.
We're going to really go into it here.
From the postmillennial, and this is the initial identification.
Annunciation, school shooter identified as trans-identified male, Robert Robin.
Quotation marks, Westman.
Quote, kill Donald Trump written on the gun.
The suspected shooter who killed two children and injured 17 other people at a Minneapolis Catholic church on Wednesday morning has been identified as Robin Westman.
That is the name that he LARPs with.
tate brown
His name is Robert.
unidentified
This is per reporter Carol Markowicz Markowicz.
The suspect identified as transgender and court records show that Westman's name was changed from Robert to Robin as a minor.
There's a photo of this individual.
This was from Nick Sorter You know, we saw this yesterday.
tate brown
This is really when the information started coming out once again.
unidentified
This was after I had gone live, So I really didn't have access to any of this.
This is from Nick Sorter.
Robin Westman, previously Robert Westman, the Minneapolis Catholic school shooter, was a man who identified as a woman.
So man, trans violence must be addressed.
Now he began identifying as trans, as a minor, and his parents signed off on it.
Per court records, his name was Robert Westman until 2020 when he changed his name to Robin Westman and if you've been following the story, Robert would have been a minor at the time.
You can see here on this paperwork that that Nick has.
This is a granting change, name change of a minor, and if you know anything about anything, you know that minors cannot legally do this without the oversight of a guardian, so it should come as no surprise.
His mother uh signed off on this, so we'll.
We'll get into that as, as we get get into this story further.
Um, Kirsty Noam, obviously confirming uh that it was a transgender shooter.
It was a man, a mentally disturbed man, and um, so after after this occurred, after the shooter was identified, a lot of information, um the manifesto um, this guy pushed it, published a video, um all this stuff.
This came out pretty rapidly.
Uh, this was yesterday afternoon.
We'll get into the story here.
A since deleted Youtube account under the name Robin W posted numerous videos in the hours leading up to the shooting.
In one video, the user showed off weaponry and gears and gear that had writings on it including the phrases, where is your god?
Kill Donald Trump and i'm the Woker baby, why so serious?
Other phrases included quote, burn Israel and um.
You can read that here.
tate brown
That's just yeah, really grim stuff.
unidentified
Uh, six million was not enough.
tate brown
That was uh written on the um gear.
unidentified
In the same video, the user showed a target that had uh Jesus on it with quote, he came to pay a debt he didn't owe.
Because we owe a debt we cannot pay.
Um, so just psychotic um, as Charlie Kirk said here, just psychotic manic, whatever you want to call it.
Um, I think already, just right off the bat, we have producer surge in here.
I don't know if this will make it to YouTube.
We're already deep here.
tate brown
I think it's just the video.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's probably all right.
The images are everywhere.
It's going to be really hard to police that on YouTube altogether.
So as long as you don't play the video, we're cool.
Just let, yeah, let me know if something ticks off.
We're on Rumble, so Rumble, obviously.
Right, right.
If you want to get to the bottom of these types of stories, you're staying on Rumble.
tate brown
We can clean up anything, I suppose.
unidentified
Yeah, true.
And YouTube has a problem with it.
Right.
tate brown
So we'll clean something up if something happens.
unidentified
But yeah, we really would, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of people that say, well, why, why you're giving this guy what he wants by, you know, pushing or publishing or whatever, giving exposure to his stuff, his writings, his videos, or whatever.
And to an extent, yeah, I do feel like this is the only way to truly shine an example on how deranged the LGBT movement has become is by shining a spotlight on it.
Really, I genuinely think that because I don't think we're going to get to the bottom of this situation by just pretending like this, like there's no ideology attached, like there's no motive.
I think that's really important because I think that's how you can identify one of the many reasons why there's so much instability in the United States and why America's youth are so disturbed.
I think this kind of stuff is actually important to see because it kind of hits you in the face of what's going on.
Greg Price shared here, the alleged shooter of a Minneapolis Catholic Church posted a deranged YouTube video before the shooting showing Jesus on a target board, as well as the weapons he used, which said things like, quote, Where is your God? Killed Donald Trump.
Why so querious?
And then this was from the YouTube video.
Peter J. Hansen with the tweet here, Hassan with the tweet.
tate brown
A YouTube account under the name posted two disturbing videos this AM that included threats against Trump.
unidentified
Again, a magazine titled I'm the Woker, a sketch of a church and a picture of Christ on a paper target.
The paper target thing is especially disturbing.
I mean, I'm a devout Christian, but I think even if you're not, I think you can see the deranged, the derangement of someone that would do such a thing.
Specifically with this here, it'll probably be broken down in a further article.
This was in his video.
He sketched out the Annunciation Church, the church that was attacked, and he had a knife out and he stabs the photo with the church in it, which is just, you know, insane, horrifying stuff.
Another portion of the video showed a letter to family and friends, which began, I don't expect forgiveness and I don't expect any apology.
tate brown
I have to hold much weight, but to my family and those close to me, I do apologize for my effects my actions will have on your lives.
unidentified
I was corrupted by this world and have learned to hate what life is.
Life is love, life is pain.
tate brown
There's too much to accept, too many things to put up with just to live.
unidentified
I'm tired of the pain this world gives out.
One passage read.
Another passage read, Only recently have I lost all hope and decided to perform my final action against this world.
I don't want to kneel down for the injustices of this world.
I want to die.
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees, constantly in pain.
And then this was signed with his fake name, Robin, who's, you know, not going to be on his gravestone with the dates 2002 to 2025 written next to it.
So obviously, this is someone that is completely deranged.
Someone, I talked about it yesterday, and this was very accurate.
Is the high proportion of people in the United States specifically that have nothing inside of them that are a void and an empty void, a vacuum?
Their soul is a vacuum, and quite frankly, they have nothing to live for, have nothing to lose.
This person, Robert, is sort of the epitome of this, right?
This is someone that, if you go through all of these memes and jokes, and you know, winking and nodding on all of the gear and everything, this is just Shane Cashman put it really well.
tate brown
This is just a shrine to chaos, I think was the specific wordage he used.
unidentified
This is just someone that really is nothing, it's just nothing.
tate brown
There's just a body, and the only utterances that come out of this body are things that he read online and jokes.
unidentified
And that's the only way he can communicate any idea is just regurgitating an online meme.
We'll get into that a little more once we finish up here because this is a really important piece of the puzzle as well.
Per Alpha News's Liz Collin, Westman's mother, once worked at Annunciation as a teacher, but retired a few years ago.
So, you see here Robert, obviously, but yes, his mother was formerly a teacher at the school that he shot up.
So, we have here, obviously, this, this, yes.
Okay, so this was from the New York Post, where they get a little more into the manifesto.
Minneapolis school shooter Ididas trans woman Robert Westman.
And as a parent manifesto, include, quote, kill Trump.
Obviously, that's a headline that's going to grab a lot of people.
There was a lot more written than Kill Trump.
Obviously, that's horrible and demonic.
This is from the New York Post.
There's some photos and whatnot.
This is some interesting stuff here.
In one 20-minute video, Westman flips through the disturbing handwritten manifesto.
Much of it is written in a homespun code that uses Cyrillic characters and English phonetic words, which is just very bizarre.
tate brown
This is just very bizarre, bizarre stuff.
unidentified
Once again, the only adjective that really springs to mind that feels accurate in this situation would be demonic, genuinely.
But demonic feels like you're selling this short because the reality is there's a lot of Robert Westmans out there.
There's a lot of them.
Robert is just the one that snapped.
We live in a society that we live in a country that's on the brink.
There's Robert Westmans everywhere.
And it's just part of the horror of modern American life is that you're just waiting for one of these guys to snap.
That's the reality.
They are going to snap.
And it's just a matter of do they take only themselves out, which occurs quite frequently, or do they take other people out with them, which happens again frequently.
I'm laughing because of the, you know, how insane and dramatic it is, but it's true.
It's just people, these guys are just snapping on a daily basis because, like I said, they're just deranged.
They're just deranged.
tate brown
I mean, someone that wants to tamper with their own genitals, you're already mentally compromised, right?
unidentified
There's no way around it.
tate brown
No one that's wanting to do that to themselves is going to have any stability whatsoever.
unidentified
It's just not going to happen.
So, you know, we have here, I'm sorry if I'm not in the shot.
tate brown
Tim's really good at staying centered at all times.
unidentified
I'm not so much.
Westman applied to change his birth.
tate brown
We know this.
unidentified
Here's some really weird quotes.
I don't want to dress girly all the time, but I guess sometimes I really like it.
I know I'm not a woman, but I definitely don't feel like a man.
So it's these people, they're just and then they're getting they have these ideas, and then they get upheld by society.
They get gaslit by society that this is fine.
tate brown
This is a perfectly natural thing.
unidentified
Again, this, I mean, I'm beating a dead, dead horse here, it feels like, because it seems like the majority of Americans are on the same page with the trans stuff.
tate brown
Like, I don't know if it's really worth, you know, litigating why it's insane because we all kind of know, right?
Everyone kind of knows.
unidentified
Everyone knows what's going on.
It's just there's a vocal minority that wants to continue this experiment, presumably because they hate God.
That's the only thing that really comes to mind.
So the New York Post explains here, Mary Grace Westman worked as a secretary at the school until retiring in 2021.
This is from the manifesto.
Quote, I am feeling good about Annunciation.
tate brown
It seems like a good combo of easy attack form and devastating tragedy.
unidentified
And I want to do more research.
I have concerns about finding a large enough group.
tate brown
I want to avoid any parents but pre- and post-school drop-off.
unidentified
Maybe I can attack an event at the on-site church.
I think attacking a large group of kids coming in from recess is my best plan.
Then from there, I can go inside and kill, going for as long as I can.
So obviously beyond premeditated here, this is more of a fantasy, which is just absolutely insane that absolutely insane that this is occurring and that we can get insight into the mind of someone like this.
It's really nothing, nothing, there's nothing really valuable from the insight because the overwhelming majority of people cannot even conceptualize putting themselves in this guy's shoes because his brain just functionally is broken.
We'll take a look here at some of the photos that the New York Post has collected.
Obviously, this was what I was talking about earlier where you have the sketch of the church.
The New York Post says here, he then takes out a knife and stabs into the center of the sketch, his hand momentarily quivering before he withdraws the blade and quietly mumbles, quote, kill myself.
Here is part of the, this is a screenshot from the video showing the contraband that he's using.
And you can see here some of the scribbles.
Once again, this is just this is just someone that is a void that is a husk of a human being, something that resembles a human being but isn't quite there.
You can see here with just some of the jokes and memes that are written on the contraband.
Where is your God?
And then suck on this was written.
F, everything that you stand for.
The big one with a trademark symbol next to it.
And this one, fart, and then the N-word, which just kind of shows that this man has been buried under so many levels of irony because he really has nothing, nothing.
There's nothing going on inside of him.
Like irony is really the only sort of expression that he can express.
We'll read a little more here.
In a video titled, quote, So Long and Thanks for all the fish, Westman slowly turns the pages of the red notebook, which is laid out on top of what appears to be schematic gun diagrams.
One of them reading Rugermark 4, a type of small caliber pistol.
As he flips the pages, an occasional plume of smoke is seen from the bottom of the screen, punctuated by coughs, disjointed cursing, and maniacal giggles.
Each page is filled with inscrutable handwritten doggerel.
Wow, New York Times is getting very Shakespearean here.
Which includes violent ramblings, such as, quote, I have had thoughts about mass murder for a long time.
I am very conflicted while writing this journal.
I need to get my thoughts out there without getting on a watch list.
More and more here.
Look, you kind of get the idea.
tate brown
I mean, I did promise a deep dive, but you can really only handle a certain amount.
unidentified
I couldn't.
The video that's being discussed here is now everywhere.
But I've only been able to make it through like a few dozen seconds because there's just a certain level of without getting too esoteric here, a certain level of energy that I don't think is tolerable for an extended period of time.
tate brown
I think it makes you quite sick, unfortunately.
unidentified
It's what it does to you.
I'm not saying someone is sick for watching.
I think it makes you feel quite ill.
And again, there's nothing of value really there beyond, you know, the journalists, you know, for there's a lot of criticism of journalism, but to be fair, they've combed through the video and they've put all this stuff here.
So, you know, you don't have to watch the video.
tate brown
You can kind of just get the idea from this.
unidentified
But you see here, just this, there's just irony.
There's just bizarre memes and jokes and irony.
None of this is genuine.
I don't think anything Robert's ever done in his life is genuine.
But you see here, just jokes written all over bullets.
And then this was the video.
And then gun magazines were scrawn with for the children and quote kill Donald Trump.
So kind of to touch on the problem with the memes and the whatnot.
This was put really well.
tate brown
This was by a poster on Twitter, Bumbadum.
unidentified
He put it really well.
Confirmed that Reddit and Discord are essentially breeding grounds for global trans Satanist networks that create mass shooters, shut them both down.
It's very true.
These two websites have become, I mean, they've become just hives of villainy, a den of jackals.
The amount of, whenever you hear, whenever you see a news headline begin with Reddit or Discord, the headline usually never ends without someone getting groomed or whatever.
It's just the way it is.
And it is breeding grounds for these kind of jokes.
tate brown
I mean, if you know what this is, this joke, it's such, yeah, it's such a Reddit, it's such a Reddit joke.
unidentified
Like, it's just an eye roll.
Just very, very many layers of irony occurring here.
And then, yeah, so, I mean, we can kind of get into his compatriots who there's a lot of them.
There's a lot of Robert Westmans out there.
It's just not all of them have snapped yet.
You're going to see the other Robert Westmans on full display.
This was a poster here, Mr. Obvious.
The trans radicalization problem is worse than you could ever imagine.
I don't even think there's a radicalization.
tate brown
I think by default, they're just radicalized because they're going to war with God.
unidentified
It's a losing war, but they are attempting to do that.
And you see here, I'm not going to read any of these.
You can see them.
Essentially, these are just these Redditors blaming celebrating the slaughter of these Christian Catholic children because they're Christian Catholic conservative, presumably, broadly conservative.
So, you know, this post right here.
tate brown
Am I supposed to feel bad that rich Christian kids are gone?
unidentified
The trans community will not die laying down without a fight.
tate brown
Future religious extremists dying isn't a bad thing.
unidentified
So, these people just have a chip on their shoulder.
And this is why I say I said it on Twitter yesterday, and it did get a little bit of pushback.
But I think, generally, like I said, most people are kind of on the same page nowadays with this stuff.
Is the LGBT movement broadly, including everything, every letter I'm including in this, is fundamentally anti-Christian because, I mean, the Bible is very clear in its condemnation, and the Christian priestly class, again, broadly speaking, is quite critical of the LGBT agenda.
So, it's not really a surprise that these people just flip and celebrate the death of Christians because for them in Western society, the last thing standing between them and full acceptance of the trans ideology are Christians.
You can see this statistically, Christians are the last bastion holding back this tide of anti-human, anti-social slop.
So, this is what the future of society will look like if Christians sort of decline, which I don't anticipate happening anytime soon.
But this is why they're so angry because Christians are the last thing holding them back from total domination.
We have a few more stuff here.
tate brown
We are, I mean, I should have gone a little quicker.
unidentified
We're running a little low on time until we get to the interview, but we'll get going here.
I'll blast through this stuff because you probably saw a lot of it.
Here's JD Vance.
He's commenting on the left-wing politicians attacking prayer, which we see here with Jen Saki.
jen psaki
All they should be hoping to do is have someone to sit with at lunch or someone to pray with on the playground.
unidentified
And they should be waiting to hear an update when they get home.
And that is not what these parents at this school experience today.
Sorry, this is a tough one.
Having your child killed while they are sitting in a pew for a morning prayer service is not what any parent should have to worry about.
And I have felt a mixture of anger and a lot of anger and emotional exhaustion about this today, as I'm sure many of you have, because we have been here so many times, so many times.
And yet, again, like clockwork, half of the politicians in our country have little more to offer than thoughts and prayers.
tate brown
That is so, obviously, she's blaming thoughts and prayers.
She's saying thoughts and prayers are not sufficient.
unidentified
They don't do anything.
She doubles down on it here.
Prayer is not freaking enough.
Well, the problem is we do have proposals.
tate brown
We have actually a very simple way to end this.
unidentified
There's actually a very, very easy with the sign of a pen.
You can end this by outlawing transgenderism at every aspect of public life.
tate brown
That would end this tomorrow.
unidentified
And that is our proposal.
So if you're going to reject that, then we've provided a solution for you.
That is the solution.
So yes, we have thoughts and prayers, and those do go a long way.
Those work.
But we don't act like we don't have the solution.
You just don't like the solution.
Your solution is to violate people's rights and strip away the Second Amendment rights from normal people, people that aren't hopped up on hormone-changing drugs and SSRIs.
They'll defend the Second Amendment rights of Robert Westman, but they'll be the first to take yours away.
No question about that.
Jacob Frey here, just lunatic.
And I have heard about a whole lot of hate that's being directed at our trans community.
So obviously, the real victim of this story is not the Catholic children who were slaughtered in their pews while attending morning mass.
The victims are the trans community.
So if I get this right, because this happened in Nashville, too, when the Covenant, the Presbyterian school, was shot up, is what happens is a trans person will kill Christians.
And the real tragedy of the situation is that the Christians have the nerve to be upset with the trans community.
And I'm using that in quotations for the hatred towards them is what the real problem is.
And as you can see here, this is just, I mean, this is what you're dealing with.
tate brown
This is what the actual feeling among the trans.
unidentified
The hatred is really only going one way here.
We just want them out of the way.
We're tired.
We're tired of dealing with their nonsense.
I don't really believe anything the LGBT movement has to say anymore because they've lied at every step of the way since Oberga fell.
It's neither here nor there.
This is in the USA Today from Bonshi Red State.
USA Today refused to report that the Minnesota shooter was transgender, but somehow found a way to shoehorn a claim that ICE is causing attacks on the church into their article.
This is with a quote from the USA Today.
Religious denominations really being pushed to decide how to open these spaces, how open these spaces are going to be when you have threats of random violence or an ICE raid.
So the threats of random violence, that's just random.
It happens.
These things are just sporadic.
I don't know how these happens.
But an ICE raid is very specific.
So the left, they're still stumping for their speech, for their talking points.
ICE is more of a threat than these drugged up people with guns.
William Wolfe put it really well, really concisely what's going on here.
It's pretty simple.
The left hates God, hates Christians, and wishes we were all dead.
Never forget this.
tate brown
Once again, I can point to the proof, which is this reaction.
unidentified
Proof, sacky, fray, you name it, Democrat.
They've probably said something similar.
Blaming Christians, thoughts and prayers, etc. etc.
Oren McIntyre, great solution as well.
Beyond banning, Michael Knowles yesterday called for a total ban of transgenderism from the public sphere, which is excellent, great policy.
Another great policy from Oren McIntyre.
The Trump admins should be launching councils on anti-Christian hate, using the power of the government to pressure anti-Christian institutions, screening immigrants and deporting them for anti-Christian sentiments.
It should be explicitly pro-Christian.
tate brown
Absolutely.
unidentified
That is the majority religion of this country.
And our interests should be considered when bringing people into the country or when handling public discourse.
John Doyle really put it succinctly here.
tate brown
Democrats honoring deaths of transgender Americans and a public announcement the same way a serious country would honor their fallen soldiers or something makes sense when you remember how reliable they are at harming the most hated enemy of the regime, white Christian children.
unidentified
Absolutely.
There is one group that will never be given, they'll never say stop, you know, you have to stop Asian hate or Black Lives Matter.
There's one group that will never be pitied or coddled, which is white Christians, specifically white Christian children.
tate brown
Whenever they're shot, it's just a footnote.
unidentified
And it's just random violence, like the USA Today said.
Will Chamberlain put it really well here.
If you don't give trans people hormones, they'll shoot themselves.
That's a common tactic deployed by trans people or trans lovers, whatever you want to call them.
Well, he put it here.
Well, if you do give them hormones, they shoot young Christian children.
So once again, this is why I say we're just kind of tired of listening to them.
tate brown
We're tired of giving them credence, tired of giving them the benefit of the doubt.
unidentified
They just lie.
tate brown
They lie about their intents in every step of the direction, every step of the operation.
unidentified
So yeah, I think people are fed up.
And the Trump administration now has the mandate to put an end to this garbage, to put an end to the garbage, and the Supreme Court as well.
So we have an interview.
Let's see if we have it set up here with Naomi Best.
tate brown
I'm just going to use this to tee off real quick.
unidentified
We have RFK.
This was like right before I went live.
He on Fox said, I won't play the video.
You can check the video out.
RFK Jr., quote, we are launching studies on the potential contribution of some of the SSRI drugs, some of the other psychotic drugs that might be contributing to violence.
So with that, we're going to get into our interview with Naomi Best.
tate brown
She is a whistleblower.
unidentified
There's huge, huge leftist ideological capture and psychology specifically.
And she is an expert on this.
So we're going to bring her in.
Let's see.
Hey, Naomi, how are you doing?
I'm doing well.
How are you?
I am doing well.
I just want to say before we get started, I mean, a lot of people probably know who you are, but maybe you could give a quick introduction for the viewers that don't.
Yeah, sure.
So I am a former marriage and family therapy student at Santa Clara University, and I wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal about the ideological coercion that I experienced in that program.
The whole field of therapy and psychology generally now has been captured by critical theory.
So, you know, you could describe that as critical social justice.
I'm sure your audience is very familiar with it.
But essentially, every class, every topic we discussed was in that frame.
So, yeah, when I, it really came to a head with the sexual issues.
So, I was in a course called human sexuality, and I was just very disturbed by the sexual ethic and also the notions about transgender care for youth in that class.
So, when I published my Wall Street Journal article, I actually got fired from my therapy internship.
And, you know, the director of the site actually said, you know, you're really smart.
I think you'd be a great therapist, really compassionate.
naomi best
But the junior therapists at that organization made, there was such an uprising against me that it was not tenable for me to work at the organization.
unidentified
And I think that just goes to show how closed-minded, how narrow-minded the field has become, which is not going to bode well for people who need mental health care in this country.
Right.
Absolutely.
I mean, I think the one thing that seems to be preeminent above anything else as far as like the rhetoric coming specifically from the left after the shooting is there's no introspection whatsoever on how we could be handling these types of people with these types of afflictions.
There's just a doubling down every single time.
tate brown
And I'm just assuming you probably saw a lot of this when you were doing your work.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, when I'm thinking about the shooting, and you know, I'm still processing all of this.
It's just so disturbing.
But in my program, there was a persistent anti-Christian sentiment, especially in the sexuality class.
You know, we were asked to discuss how the Christian, you know, they called it the Judeo-Christian ethic, the biblical reality, I would call it, that we're made male and female, has oppressed us in some way and how we would act as agents of change to dismantle that binary.
One method they advocated for, can I swear?
I assume I can swear.
Yeah, I'm on Ramboya.
Was they advocated for something called gender fucking, which essentially is disrupting the binary on purpose.
So a man wearing a dress with a beard or, you know, it wasn't in the traditional understanding of gender dysphoria, somebody who truly believes they're the opposite sex and wants to live as the opposite sex, blend in, operate as a normal person.
It was more of a social activist stance.
And unfortunately, that is how I was taught to become a therapist as well.
You know, I actually got some pushback in that class for raising questions about transgender care for youth.
I was asked to stop talking so much because I said that I wasn't comfortable providing these recommendations for children to go be put on puberty blockers or hormones.
But the message was don't be a gatekeeper because if you are a gatekeeper, you are acting from a place of privilege and you are further oppressing this disenfranchised, marginalized group.
naomi best
And there is a lot of emotional manipulation that happens because when you enter a therapy program, people enter therapy programs to help, to be compassionate.
unidentified
And there is now a generation of therapists who are being taught that the way you are, the only way you are compassionate for these children is to affirm.
And that comes down from every professional organization in the field right now.
Yeah, well, we covered it earlier in the show as we saw that Robert Westman changing his name to Robin.
And we saw the paperwork filed.
And he was a minor at the time.
So that means that his mother signed off of it.
And presumably within this transition, transgender process, there would obviously be medical professionals involved.
And I've seen some discussion, some dialogue online that Minnesota specifically is a haven for sort of these activist therapists, I guess, that you're referring to.
I mean, do you have any insight specifically in Minnesota or maybe how blue states are handling these issues?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I can speak blue states more broadly.
I know that Governor Tim Walz signed a sort of safe haven executive order for his state in 2023.
But it's broader than that.
naomi best
It is from, so it's from the American Psychological Association, which governs psychologists.
unidentified
I was in school to become a marriage and family therapist.
So I, the organization that my recommendations come from is called the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy.
And if you look at their guidelines, there is no room for exploration for these kids for what's going on.
In fact, that's called, they call it, oh gosh, conversion therapy.
They call it conversion therapy, which is so ironic, right?
Because this child or this, you know, youth, adolescent, whatever it may be is transitioning to become the other gender.
But saying, hey, you know, let's figure out how you can live comfortably within your biological sex is considered conversion.
And, you know, it was just so disturbing.
I'll give you one anecdote.
So in this lecture about transgender medicine in my course, it was a transgender woman who was giving the presentation.
And, you know, she was saying that therapists act as sort of guides.
They act not as medical professionals, but the lecture was framed as the transgender person is sort of going on this hero's journey.
And the therapist would be a guide, but also these online communities are actively encouraged by the mental health professionals to sort of find a safe haven for these kids who may feel isolated, especially in cases where the parents aren't affirming.
So they're being pushed into these echo chambers of activists.
And I am just so concerned about the way that parents are both guilted.
You know, we've all heard the anecdote, do you want a trans daughter or a dead son?
But they're also just being excluded from the conversation and, you know, not preemptively telling a client's parent that their child is claiming a transgender identity is just par for the course.
So I'm really concerned that people who advocate for more mental health services in the face of the gun control debate don't quite understand that the mental health industry is acting or is part of the pipeline of the medicalization of transgender youth.
Totally.
I mean, yeah, we're seeing as more information comes out along all the ways that we could have prevented this Robert Westman person from doing such a thing.
It seems like there was multiple stopgaps that failed.
Maybe you can elaborate more.
Is there a way to mental health our way out of this transgender issue?
tate brown
I mean, it seems like people's only answer is more therapy, maybe try a different angle.
unidentified
You know, there are therapists who specialize, they call themselves ROGD therapists, rapid onset gender dysphoria.
And anecdotally, they've had a lot of success, but they're sort of operating outside the bounds of the professional organizations, the professional guidance.
Yeah, I mean, the incidence of comorbid mental health diagnoses for adolescents claiming a transgender ideology is just extremely high.
naomi best
It's four times that of the rate of somebody who doesn't identify as a transgender person.
unidentified
So I'm not, as it stands right now, we are between a rock and a hard place because these people who have mood disorders, a lot of the times it's bipolar disorder, anxiety disorders, autism spectrum, you know, neurodevelopmental disorders.
They need real treatment, especially I'm concerned in the case of bipolar, because one of the hallmarks of a manic episode is this rash decision making and also feelings of spiritual awakening, like finding one's true self.
I've spoken also to D-transitioners who have autism spectrum disorder, and they said that their lack of social skills made them feel as though, you know, I'm not fitting in with the boys my age.
I'm not acting like them.
Perhaps I can learn how to be a girl and apply those social skills in that area.
So, you know, as it stands, I don't know.
I think that parents really need to interview any prospective therapist that they're going to bring their child to.
Gone are the days of neutral mental health professionals that you can trust with your child in a private space for an hour every week.
A therapist needs to involve the parent at every step of the treatment, and having real open lines of communication between child, parent, and therapist is going to be crucial.
And if there's any pushback from the therapist about the importance of the confidential relationship between child and therapist, I would say that's not a deal breaker, but it is a red flag.
Yeah, I'm sort of at a loss with the field.
And I actually ended my career as a marriage and family therapist.
naomi best
I was pushed out because I refused to go along with this ideology.
unidentified
Right.
Well, I mean, let's put it this way: if Robert Westman was in your office, I mean, what would the Christian approach be to someone with these afflictions?
Yeah, gosh, I won't pretend to know how to treat somebody with these violent urges.
I think with the transgender ideation, a deep understanding about the dissociation between oneself and one's body, I think that affirmative piece is really important because if somebody is saying that they're the opposite sex, they are in a tremendous amount of pain and disconnection from their own body.
And I am a bit disturbed and disheartened hearing the discourse on the anti-transition side, the gender-critical side, because every person is made in the image of God and deserves dignity.
And I went into therapy because I deserve they, I believe that they deserve somebody to walk with them through their pain.
But lying to somebody about the possibility of them actually becoming the opposite sex, in my view, is not compassionate whatsoever and can lead them down a path of more confusion, more dissociation from their body.
You know, I think it's unique for children too, because adults who transition, I think they have a better understanding that you can't achieve becoming the opposite sex.
naomi best
You can live life approaching something similar to the opposite sex.
unidentified
I don't think many of these children who are being put on puberty blockers can conceptualize that it is an impossibility.
And, you know, so WPATH, I'll mention this just for some statistics.
naomi best
WPATH is the thought leaders in this area.
unidentified
And the psychological associations reference WPATH.
WPATH references the psychological associations.
It's an issue.
But they don't even recommend any age restriction on puberty blockers.
They say you can start at Tanner stage two, which is when breastfuds are first forming.
So this is around age eight.
And they, you know, they also recommend: okay, the child has been socially transitioned for a period before they go on puberty blockers.
So now what are we talking about?
We're talking about age seven, age six.
At Santa Clara University, where I went, the school is placing students, therapy students, at an organization, a county center, where they are doing trans affirmative therapy for children as young as five years old.
Wow.
Yeah, five years old.
And, you know, at this point, it is becoming a top-down ideology that is being imposed on children.
Right.
So is the answer more therapy?
I don't think so, not as it stands now.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I mean, and what you're kind of hitting on, and you did touch on it earlier with the sort of rhetorical approach from the anti-trans crowd.
I do get this sense of exasperation because on the conservative side, we've heard about the transgender issue for so long.
We all know that, you know, the narratives, et cetera, et cetera.
And I mean, for the record, I think they're accurate.
So I think we are growing, we're getting to a point of sort of impatience on the right because, like you mentioned, it appears to be top down.
tate brown
There is a sense of helplessness because anyone that goes into the mental health field to try and rectify the situation just gets pushed out.
unidentified
So there does seem to be this growing exasperation with the LGBT movement, broadly speaking.
So, I mean, I'm sure you've seen a bit of that in your field, but I mean, I don't know.
It does feel like, I don't know, maybe things are getting a bit, I don't know if desperate is the right word, but we're looking for more potentially, more potentially large and widespanning solutions for the issue.
Yeah, I think at this point, we have hit a tipping point in the culture.
I think that at first when the transgender issue was happening and it was such rare cases, especially with children, and there was a feeling like, okay, we want to be compassionate towards these children.
But it seems that we've run the experiment and seen the rapid explosion of this affliction in kids to the point where parents, especially, are going to start being protective of children.
naomi best
So I actually am hopeful that there will be some positive change soon, pumping the brakes.
But in the, you know, these fields and bureaucracy, they move so slowly and we need more therapists, more medical professionals to start speaking out against this and offering different treatment approaches, which, you know, which there are.
There's networks of this rapid onset gender dysphoria therapists who treat these kids.
And like I said, they're having success.
unidentified
So, yeah, I mean, I am hopeful that this will be a short-lived experiment, but I do understand the exasperation because it has gotten so extreme and the real world consequences are so dire.
I mean, the amount of kids that this has already happened to, that we've allowed this to happen to, is unacceptable.
And I think will go down as one of the greatest medical scandals possibly ever.
Because, you know, these are mentally afflicted children who deserved better.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, well, speaking from the institutional side, is there any sort of mechanisms that state governments can use to get the ball rolling in the right direction in these institutions?
Or is this more of a, we're going to have to seek more like institutional recapture from the ground up?
You know, Trump's executive order with the gender ideology in federal agencies, that might push the needle one way.
But I think that in these blue states, I have a sense that the federal government is sort of abandoning them to their own devices.
I mean, this clinic where they treat five-year-olds, that's the Santa Clara County Behavioral Health Department.
So that's taxpayer money.
But is Gavin Newsom going to sign a bill banning this treatment for trans care?
I don't think so.
I think it's going to come down to the just a sense of illegitimacy of the professional bodies before there will be real change.
The state of California licenses marriage and family therapists.
And I think that there just needs to be more awareness that this industry is not a branch of healthcare.
It is a rogue social project.
And there's lots of right-wing, not even right-wing, but just like right-leaning cultural right-of-san Francisco folks in California who just don't know that therapists have been so ideologically captured by this.
So raising awareness is for sure going to be the first the first strategy.
I also think that there is a there's an impulse to outsource your child's mental health care to a professional.
But I truly believe that your child's mental health, it has to start with you.
It has to start with getting them off screens, getting them exercise, getting them proper nutrition, getting them quality time with family.
I know this is all easier said than done.
My child is 82.
But yeah, just sending them to a therapist, that's not going to cut it.
Yeah, absolutely.
Totally.
I mean, and that's, it needs to be reframed that way that there's, I mean, the amount of response.
You get this sense now where the parents, even on our side of the spectrum, so to speak, are trying to outsource their children's upbringing to something, whether it be a device, whether it be the schools, whether it even be their churches sometimes.
It's like the home ultimately is where the buck stops.
There's another question I want to ask you.
It's kind of back to the shooting situation.
Can you maybe expand or potentially, I don't know if speculate is the correct word, but maybe explain the medications that someone like this would be on that could potentially impair their, impair their thinking?
Because a lot of people are speculating RFK actually 30 minutes before cities and get to start investigating SSRIs.
It's a potential trigger for these sorts of things, these actions.
I don't know as an expert, I mean, what impact do these medications have on these people?
Yeah, well, we know it's very well documented that when SSRIs are prescribed to young people in particular, it can increase suicidal ideation as well as aggression.
That's not debated.
That's on the black, that's on, that's on the label.
So there's also been concurrently a push for general practitioners to be prescribing SSRIs as a first line of treatment for anxiety and depression.
naomi best
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah, so now you can go to a general practitioner, have, I don't know when the last time you went to a doctor is, but generally they're like 15 minute appointments.
They will, you can write a questionnaire or fill out a questionnaire.
And if you meet a certain criteria of depressive symptoms, you can walk away with a prescription.
I don't know if this person was on any psychotropic medication.
It's probably likely.
And I'm not going to draw the correlation between SSRIs and mass shootings.
naomi best
A lot of people speculate on that.
unidentified
I truly don't know.
But I can say that it increases suicidal ideation for adolescents.
That's, I mean, that's shocking.
I mean, it seems like we could potentially get to a point where these prescriptions will be able to be filed online.
I mean, it certainly seems like there's trending in that direction.
naomi best
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
You can, right now there are companies exist where you see, like, remember when you could get like a medical card for marijuana online by seeing it where there's those services for these SSRI prescriptions.
naomi best
You go and have a 10-minute phone appointment with somebody and say you have anxiety and get this prescription.
unidentified
And a shocking percentage of women are now on these drugs, in particular, women.
But yeah, for children, it just, it should not be a first-line treatment.
It should not.
I mean, I talked about on the show yesterday.
When I went live yesterday, there was virtually zero information on the shooting beyond that, you know, we had a general idea of the loss of life.
And I had said that I think the biggest, what you're noticing in America, you're notice this palpable instability.
You're feeling it off of people.
You're sensing off of people a sense of instability and that people are just snapping.
And also you're sensing this deep void inside of people that they're searching for for something.
Personally, I think that's Christ.
And it seems like these SSRIs are able to effectively zombify them where they don't even have to think about these things.
I mean, I know that's a bit, you know, hardcore, but maybe you can expand a little bit on what these drugs specifically do to people.
Yeah, well, so they're serotonin reuptake inhibitors.
naomi best
So essentially they allow more serotonin to float around in your brain.
That used to be, the theory used to be that there was a lack of serotonin for people who are depressed.
unidentified
That turned out to be completely bunk.
So the exact mechanism is how these drugs treat depression is sort of unknown.
And there's also just very shaky evidence that they work for moderate depression.
So I think that we don't quite know what we're doing with the drugs.
And that is especially concerning for people who are underage who get on these drugs while their brain is still developing.
It is extremely difficult to get off of these drugs.
naomi best
There's all sorts of quasi-withdrawal symptoms.
unidentified
There's brain zaps.
So that's a feeling like your brain, it's sort of like an electro, like electrostatic in your brain.
Feelings of depression, feelings of meaninglessness, jitteriness.
It's a long-term medication and it's not meant to be something that you get off of.
So yeah, I mean, I think that, again, it's coming down to a cultural problem with such lack of meaning.
Like you said, maybe it's God and the SSRIs are sort of numbing that feeling of meaninglessness that's happening.
But our current culture is certainly not conducive to positive mental health.
tate brown
I mean, that's just really, really grim, really grim stuff.
unidentified
Oh, man.
Well, I hate to end on that note.
We are running out of time.
I have so many questions on this kind of stuff.
tate brown
Like, it's just, it's fat.
unidentified
And it's something people don't really think about as much, but it's something that has such a massive role in people's lives, especially with the SSRIs and stuff.
But, I mean, you talk about it all the time.
Where can people find you to get more?
Yeah, you can find me on X. My handle is Naomi EpsBest, or just search Naomi Best.
naomi best
And I also have a sub stack where I write about these things, Naomi Epsbest.
unidentified
All right.
Well, Naomi, thank you so much.
This was really insightful.
tate brown
I really appreciate you taking the time to come on.
naomi best
Thank you so much.
unidentified
Take care.
tate brown
Take care.
unidentified
All right.
Well, that was Naomi Best.
That was really good.
That was really insightful.
tate brown
I mean, you know, there's obviously a lot of, there's a lot of people speculating, a lot of policies proposed on Twitter, these sorts of things, which a lot of them, you know, would be conducive to success in a lot of cases.
unidentified
It's nice to get someone that can break down the nitty-gritty, someone that can break down the mechanisms that are at work, at play.
She's fantastic.
tate brown
She was on Culture War a few, it was probably a few weeks.
unidentified
It was about a month and a half ago with Dr. Drew and Dr. Chloe Carmichael.
I would recommend taking a look at that where she really expands on the ideological capture within the psychology, world of psychiatry, psychology, et cetera, et cetera.
It's terrifying stuff.
And it's not really being talked about.
It's not really being talked about enough.
So it's really a relief to see RFK, that soundbite from RFK before we went live about the contribution of SSRI drugs to violence.
I think we need a deep dive on that.
We need a study on that.
That's absolutely integral to solving this issue.
But with that, I got to end here.
We will be back tonight live on Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
I believe Mike Benz is holding it down.
tate brown
I think he's going to be the guest host tonight.
He'll be holding it down.
unidentified
It'll be a great show.
You want to be there for that.
I've been your host, Tate Brown, holding it down for Tim Pool.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at RealTate Brown.
tate brown
Come give me a follow there.
unidentified
I'm confident Tim's going to be back Monday.
So this will be the last time you see me for a while.
Hopefully, you know, knock on wood the last time you see me for a while.
So I really appreciate you guys watching and supporting.
I've received a lot of kind words, which really mean a lot.
It's been wild, you know, filling in here.
It's like I've just, you know, had minimal experience beforehand, anything camera related or presenting the news.
So it's been great to be able to sort of share ideas and go create a conversation with you guys.
So yeah, really grateful for that.
Hopefully you'll be seeing Tim here on Monday.
I'm quite confident of that.
So yeah, follow me on Instagram, X. Be here for Timcast IRL tonight.
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