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Aug. 27, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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MASS SHOOTING At Catholic Church In Minneapolis, Children Reportedly Targeted
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tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Good afternoon, rumblers.
This is Tate Brown here holding it down.
Obviously, you've seen the news.
We are dealing with a very serious situation out of Minneapolis, Minnesota.
There is, there was this morning, there was a shooting at a Catholic church.
So obviously, we're going to be covering that.
It's going to be a little bit more of a serious tone today as it should be.
And obviously, prayers, prayers.
We've been praying all morning for those involved.
So yeah, it's a really serious situation.
We're going to get into that.
We also have Representative Riley Moore joining us at the half hour mark, and I'm sure he'll have some thoughts on the situation as well.
So we are going to get into that.
I just wanted to lead with that.
We do have a few more stories.
Obviously, there was the DC crackdown is still continuing.
There was a proposal from Sean Duffy that we're going to federalize Union Station, which is an interesting story.
And we also have Milwaukee Judge Hannah Dugan, her case, she's where she's getting prosecuted by the Trump administration and she lost her attempt to throw that case out.
We have a few more stories we're going to get into, but obviously the main one that everyone is thinking about and discussing is the shooting.
So we will get into that.
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This is this is really, really heavy stuff.
This is from CBS News.
Two are dead and as many as twenty people are injured after a shooting at Annunciation Catholic School in South Minneapolis Wednesday morning.
Multiple federal sources tell CBS News that the shooter died of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound.
So the shooter is neutralized at this point.
This is not an active shooting.
Thank God that that's the case, but unfortunately, obviously, the situation was quite extensive.
I got a pop up here.
The shooting triggered a massive law enforcement response at West 54th Street between Harriet and Garfield Avenues.
Minneapolis police said that there is no active threat to the public.
There are at least ten children at a nearby hospital according to Bishop Kevin Kenney, the auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis.
Others are at Children's Minnesota, and they are saying that there will be a news conference in 30 a.m.
This probably has taken place by now if they're on Central time.
We'll go down here.
There's a little more information.
Federal sources say the shooter, a male, was wearing all black and carrying a rifle.
So obviously there's a degree of premeditation to this.
This is still an unfolding.
situation.
We're still learning a lot of facts.
I mean, this happened, you know, two, three hours ago.
And I don't want to be the guy that speculates, right?
There's too many of those people that are speculating.
We just want to go with what we know.
We know shooting started around 8:45 a.m.
This is central time.
According to a school schedule, there was an all-school mass at 8:15 a.m.
Authorities added that the public is advised to stay away from the area of West 54th Street between Lindale, Nicolette Avenues.
And they show here the reunification area for whatever reason this would apply to you.
I'm sure you're in the know if this were the case.
Obviously, 525 West 54th Street.
Several agencies, including the FBI, State Patrol, and Minneapolis Police are at the scene.
Governor Tim Waltz said he had been briefed on the shooting.
I've been fully briefed on the shooting, quote, I am praying for our kids and teachers whose first week of school was marred by this horrific act of violence, Walt said.
And then we have a quote from Trump, which we can take a look at here.
He put this out on Truth Social not too long ago.
I've been fully briefed on the tragic shooting in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
The FBI quickly responded and they are on the scene.
The White House will continue to monitor this terrible situation.
Please join me in praying for everyone involved.
So obviously the president has weighed in.
And we do have this was the Star Tribune.
This is the local paper in Minnesota.
They were on the ground.
They were interviewing parents and people that were there for anecdotes, obviously.
And this was one that people have been sharing on X. So this is from the Star Tribune at 9.45 a.m.
An Annunciation parent who was sitting in the back pew at the 8.15 a.m.
Mass said students were packed into the pews when a shooter opened fire outside the building with some kind of semi-automatic weapon.
Here's the quote.
He just pepper sprayed through the stained glass windows into the building, 50 to 100 shots, and he killed two kids.
This is terrible, he said.
This is evil.
I don't know how you defend against this.
So there's that.
Eric Daughtry has been providing good commentary on X and providing updates.
This was an update he gave.
He clipped here from Fox, so we can take a look at this clip.
He obviously kind of notes what we know, but we'll take a look at this clip and they'll break it down for us as well.
unidentified
Shooter call.
We now know that the shooter is dead.
Officers are reporting 20 victims.
A man dressed in all black and armed with a rifle was reported at the scene.
EMS has requested a mas mass casualty response and fire crews are bringing in additional resources.
As I said earlier, mass casualty does not mean casualty does not mean deaths.
It just means victims of some kind.
Fire crews are bringing in additional resources.
Initial information indicated that the suspect shooter is no longer a threat that we know to be true now out of an abundance and caution.
They are asking just people to stay out of that area because there's a lot of work to be done, you know, to complete this investigation and move through what they need to do this morning.
And of course, one of our big questions.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Right.
So we have that.
FBI is on the scene.
Obviously, massive law enforcement presence and the suspect is deceased.
I noted that earlier, but the, yeah, unfortunately, we have twenty victims as of now and a mass casualty response was obviously needed.
This is the mayor of Minneapolis.
He put this statement out shortly after the shooting occurred.
I'm monitoring reports of horrific violence in South Minneapolis.
I'm in touch with Chief Ohara and our emergency response team has been activated.
We will share more information as soon as we can.
Please give our officers the space they need to respond to the situation.
I mean, obviously, look, I mean, we're obviously familiar with Jacob Frey following the, you know, the Minneapolis riots a few years back.
You know, there's time, there's room for partisan politics.
Obviously, there's so much that he could do to mitigate the violence in Minneapolis.
There's no question about that.
But I do think in moments like this, it is important to pray for these leaders that they have the diligence to respond to these emergencies to the best of their ability.
You know, obviously you don't want the pilot to crash the plane.
And in this case, yeah, I mean, I don't care who it is, how evil they are, what they've done, et cetera, et cetera.
We need to pray that they can respond as effectively as possible because ultimately, this affects the parents and the victims and the families and whatnot.
So, you know, again, there's plenty, plenty of criticism for Jacob Frey over the years, but lift him up in prayer as well, as difficult as that may be, especially for a lot of you Minnesota residents.
I just implore that that occurs.
We have a statement from Kirsty Noam, obviously the DHS secretary.
DHS is monitoring the horrific situation at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis.
We are in communication with our interagency partners and we will share more information as soon as it becomes available.
I am praying for the victims of this heinous attack and their families.
Obviously, Annunciation Catholic school was attached to this church.
It was like one large sort of complex.
And what we know is that there is the 815 Mass that occurs every Wednesday and that it's an all-school mass.
So all the students from the school head over to the church for this mass.
And as this parent noted out or this, you know, yeah, this Annunciation parent.
The shooter opened fire outside of the building.
So he shot through the stained glass.
So as of now, we don't believe that he breached the building.
Again, this was firing from outside the building, which is, I mean, which is just horrifying.
I mean, it really is just absolutely horrifying.
I mean, I really don't have, you know, much punchy commentary on this.
I mean, this really is just horror.
It's like, it is really just horror.
It is horror.
We have a clip here.
We captured this from Fox.
This was, again, this was some anecdotes from local residents on the shooting.
We'll take a look here at this clip.
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You were talking to neighbors and your brother who said that they may have heard some of those gunshots.
Absolutely.
They heard a ton of gunfire.
A lot of it.
So much that they figured it wasn't even gunfire.
It had to be somebody was roofing their house early in the morning.
And so, yeah, there was a lot of gunfire here.
I talked to several of my brother's neighbors.
I saw one of them actually, you know, looking into backyards and I, you know, said hi to him.
He knows me.
And he said he was trying to make sure a suspect hadn't, like, escaped through, you know, some of the ways that you can run through people's yards here.
So everybody here, you know, doing all they can to try to help as well.
But, you know, with the information that we got now that the suspect is dead, that's less of a concern.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
But that was, as I arrived on scene, still neighbors trying to figure out if, you know, somebody potentially, you know, armed with a weapon who had just fired it was was in their backyards you were talking so again just i mean just horrific scene painted there specifically with the volume the volume of shots right i mean there was some estimates 50 to 100 shots were fired um again this this person you know anecdote
their anecdote was that they figured it was someone roofing their home So that kind of gives you an indication of the volume of shots.
And this is just one of those things.
I mean, you hear this often from, because unfortunately, this occurs quite frequently in the United States specifically.
You hear this anecdote that people give after they're in or around or affected directly by a mass shooting is it's one of those things where you just figure that's something that happens in other places that doesn't happen to me.
And so when it does happen to you, it just feels surreal and you just can't quite connect that that is occurring.
You know, so those poor parents that woke up this morning and they sent their kids off to school, this is the last thing they could have possibly imagined occurring.
And really, it's just, it's emblematic of the situation we're in as a civilization, right?
I mean, you know, obviously you're going to have the the narratives deployed.
I mean, you know me, I'm not a middle of the road guy.
I lean to the right.
There's no I'm not going to hide the ball on that.
But really, the right and left both have these preloaded sort of narratives that are deployed after mass shootings, which the left obviously just wants to grab the guns and they can use this as a justification for that.
And the right will also come up with solutions that, again, kind of put a band-aid on a bullet hole.
You have the, you know, maybe arm the teachers, have the metal detectors, these sorts of things, which is like, okay, maybe they do mitigate, maybe they don't.
That's neither here nor there.
It's not addressing the root of the situation, which the reality of the United States in 2025, if everyone is honest with themselves, is that we have a high, high proportion of the population that has nothing to lose, that is empty inside, and there's a void in their soul, and those types of people are vulnerable, and they're going to commit, and they're going to lash out, and they're going to, I mean, they're capable of this level of evil.
There's a lot of these people.
There's a lot of these people.
You see them on a daily basis.
You interact with them.
You talk to people, and you look into their eyes, and you just sense a feeling of despair and and that they're that they're disturbed um not saying that all these people are obviously capable of something this evil, but the fact that no one's surprised when these sorts of shootings happen, because you just see these people.
These people are everywhere, really.
I'll say it again.
We just have a very high proportion of the population that has nothing to lose.
I covered on the show all the time all the metrics that indicate that we're swirling the drain as a civilization.
All the metrics that indicate that people en masse have given up.
They've tapped out.
Some people when they give up, they just internalize and they go into self-destruction.
But some people when, you know, have a screw loose and they're capable of something like this.
So it's like, okay, we can do the thing where we, you know, come up with solutions to mitigate this.
And I mean, those are worth pursuing, obviously, because, you know, restoring the souls of Americans is obviously a long process, right?
You can't just do that with the signing of a pen.
But so again, I'm not, I'm not mitigating.
Okay, it is worth, you know, it is worth exploring the possible policies that we could implement to mitigate these sorts of things from happening.
But we really have to get at the root.
I mean, we really do is that people in this country are lost.
I mean, they are lost.
These people in this country just have no meaning.
They have no meaning.
They don't understand why they're on this earth.
A lot of people in this country, really in this world, but specifically in the United States, just don't know why they're on this earth.
And the United States does a really good job of providing distractions.
You don't have to think about this question, right?
We have so many different things you can consume to make the pain go away, to fill that void in your soul with physical objects or even more tangible emotional objects.
And the reality is eventually people have to confront that emptiness in their soul.
And oftentimes people don't like what they see in the mirror when they confront that void.
and it devolves into this very very often i mean obviously this is a dramatic mass shooting right there's a lot of casualties but there's a lot of there's a lot of violence in this country this is a very very violent country um again there's there's a lot of different narratives you could take that and whatever but you get this feeling when you're walking around in our country, no matter where you are, you get this feeling of, and it hasn't always been this way, at least.
I mean, I'm young.
I'm 24.
People that are older can certainly speak to this.
There's this feeling of instability and this feeling that the people you're interacting with are unstable.
And I don't mean instability like, oh, they're going to commit, act like this, but just they're just disturbed.
I mean, that's really the only way to put it.
So look, until as a civilization, we can just reorient ourselves around more tangible elements of life that can give you meaning.
Like, God, you're just going to get more and more of this, really.
I mean, you know, I really do, I really do think a return to Christianity is the only way out of this mess.
Like I've said it again, I've said it a million times, we're swirling the drain.
We're swirling the drain.
People are in despair, quite frankly, robbed of meaning.
There's a void in their soul.
And you have to provide someone with an answer of why you're here.
Everyone has that moment where they lay awake at night wondering what's going to happen when they die.
And truly, I mean, Christ really is the explanation for why you're here.
So I pray, obviously, I pray for my brothers and sisters at the Annunciation Church in Minneapolis and with the Catholic and Christian community in general in Minneapolis.
They're obviously going to be in for a rough few decades really.
This kind of stuff, this pain never goes away.
And again, I also pray for the local leaders.
I know it's popular right now to just dunk on them.
But for the, at least for the time being, we need them to be firing in all cylinders to address this situation.
That being said, I mean, we do have this.
This is really salient.
I was talking about earlier, you know, we're going to have to correct to correct this situation is going to take, you know, long term, long term soul healing, right?
We have to make these civilizational, civilization wide adjustments.
The reality is in the short term, there is solutions that we can pursue.
And I do think, you know federal help is needed quite frankly i mean it's really there's a lot of violence in this country it's a very violent country um i won't play the clip here this was tim waltz um You know, I'll play the clip.
Why not?
I'll play the clip.
tim walz ▲ ● ▼
But what we have to be clear about is don't take the bait.
It boggles my damn mind that in the midst of a military takeover of our cities and.
the attempt to go into others, the flaunting of the rule of law, the cruelty and the unconstitutional nature of the way they're attacking our neighbors that the press finds the need to talk about, Oh, there's a division in the Democratic Party.
There's a division in my damn house and we're still married and things are good.
That's why.
That's why.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Right.
So, I mean, this was two days ago.
I mean, you have Tim Waltz, you know, there's a solution out there.
We're seeing in DC that the National Guard are able to relieve local police and allow them to conduct their operations more efficiently when they don't have to worry about patrolling, you know, touristy areas or whatever.
Again, I mean, I pray for these local leaders.
I genuinely, I do pray for Jacob Frey and Tim Waltz as they, you know, address the situation.
But I also pray that they pursue good and correct policy to mitigate these sorts of things happening further.
I mean, there was headline after headline.
This is the third shooting in Minnesota over the last day, a day and a half.
So clearly something needs to be done there.
Clearly, I mean, clearly it's an unstable city.
National Guard deployment could really be an asset, I I think that would be an optimal political move, but also it would save lives.
I mean, there's a possibility that this couldn't, this wouldn't have happened if there was more expedient resources when it comes to public safety in the city.
Again, I don't want to speculate on that too much, but it's a possibility.
So, I mean, It's just, it's a really, really grim situation.
Again, I don't want to speculate.
I did see while we were discussing the story, at least the BBC has reported which you know it's a foreign paper but they they are reporting that the two children killed two children have been killed for sure confirmed aged eight and ten so the situation is going to develop more obviously we're going to get more information more information specifically on the motive I mean it is worth exploring because that's how you can get
to the bottom of what's going on here obviously the article noted the CBS article noted that he was wearing all black.
So it's the degree of premeditation that has occurred here, as well as the fact that he was aware of the mass times of this school.
So perhaps there is some sort of relationship between the shooter and the school or the church.
We'll have to see.
I'm not going to speculate on that.
I really don't think it's worth scoring political points while we don't even have all the kids accounted for.
It's just not worth it.
It's not something we're going to do here.
But yeah, I mean, we're going to see the debate.
We're going to see this.
I mean, we all know.
We all know about this debate.
People go back and forth on the guns.
It's the guns.
It's the video games.
It's the whatever.
This is all we're just beating around the bush of we've destroyed meaning for everyday people in this country and stripped them of all meaning, really.
So until we get to the bottom of that, we're going to get more and more pain, more and more violence.
It's going to get worse and worse.
So with that, I mean, that is a somber story.
Obviously, you know, prayers, prayers genuinely.
I mean, I know a lot of people say prayers don't mean anything.
I don't really know what else I can do.
And I do think prayers are extremely important.
extremely valuable and the victims would agree as well the people of the Catholic community in Minneapolis would agree that prayers are quite a valuable asset in this situation.
So we're going to move on.
We will be joined by Riley Moore and I'm sure he'll have some thoughts on the story as well here in about eight minutes or so.
see, yeah, eight minutes or so.
With that, we do have this story from the Washington Post, you know, kind of relating to the violence, increase in violence we've seen in this country.
This is a story from the Washington Post, DC judges and grand jurors push back on Trump's policing surge.
We'll read here.
President Donald Trump's surge of federal law enforcement on the streets of DC is meeting resistance in the city's federal courthouse where magistrate judges have admonished prosecutors for violating defendants' rights and court rules, and grand jurors have repeatedly refused to issue an indictment.
Trump declared a crime emergency this month, giving federal law enforcement agencies and National Guard members unprecedented authority to patrol the nation's capital while also enlisting the district's three thousand one hundred member police force to assist with immigration enforcement.
More than a thousand arrests have followed according to the White House.
Meanwhile, DC's top prosecutor, Janine Pirro ordered her staff to file the stiffest possible charges in every case.
emerging signs that not all of the arrests will stand up to scrutiny in court.
A federal grand jury on three separate occasions this month refused to indict a DC woman who was accused of assaulting an FBI agent.
An extraordinary rejection of the prosecution's case.
Days later, a federal magistrate judge said an arrest in Northeast Washington was preceded by the most quote the most illegal search I've seen in my life and described another arrest as quote lacking basic dignity.
So we're seeing here federal judges., no surprise here, are defending criminality and violence in this country, and they are prioritizing the rights of criminals over the rights of non-criminals, innocent people.
This is a very familiar case, and this is really kind of at the crux of the crackdown is, and this was, I mean, this has been the crux of many crackdowns, the Bukele crackdown, you could even go back to Giuliani's New York, is it's just a reorientation because someone's rights are going to get violated when you have a high crime situation, and you just have to, you basically just have to prioritize.
You have to prioritize the well-being of a population in your city or country.
And in this case in Washington, DC, for the longest time, the priority of well-being was criminals at the top and the homeless.
And then you go a couple notches down and then you have everyday people, innocent people.
And once again, with this crackdown, you're just seeing a shifting of the totem pole where now innocent everyday people who are non-criminals are now prioritized and their well-being is prioritized and criminals and the homeless, specifically criminals, are now being targeted and rightfully so.
But of course, the activist judges who we have become quite familiar with over the second Trump administration.
Specifically are pushing back however they can.
So really grim stuff.
But Trump admin, obviously they're going to bat on a lot of these things.
They're not just folding under pressure.
They're used to these activist judges at this point.
So, you know, they'll litigate this and Trump seems to come out on top with a lot of these situations.
Here's another proposal or not a proposal.
This is occurring.
This is from Bloomberg.
Trump administration to reclaim control of DC's Union station.
President Donald Trump's administration is moving to reclaim management of Washington's Union Station, a historic rail hub that federal officials say has deteriorated after decades of fractured oversight.
Quote, instead of being a point of pride, Washington's Union Station has fallen into disrepair.
U. S. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said in a Wednesday statement, quote, by reclaiming station management, we will help make this city safe and beautiful.
The DOT has owned Union Station since the nineteen eighties, but has gradually seated control through agreements with the Union Station Redevelopment Corps, a nonprofit tasked with preserving the landmark and overseeing improvements to its public spaces.
The Trump administration's plan will seek to leverage the commercial aspects of Union Station channeling proceeds back into the facility for upgrades to lighting elevators security and roof repairs.
The DOT quote anticipates that reinvestment and improved security will dramatically improve the income from the station which should unlock opportunities for private investment.
This move is part of the broader effort by the administration to take back direct control of key rail hubs along the Northeast corridor.
Obviously, they tapped Amtrak to lead the seven billion dollar makeover of US or of Penn Station, ousting the MTA as the original project lead.
So right, I mean, this is just another this is another great example of a reprioritization.
In this case, the contract setup over Union Station was just a massive disservice because, I mean, you can see in this picture here with these large archways, these dramatic archways.
I don't know if they have another picture of this.
If you weren't familiar with Union Station, it is really a striking.
building.
I mean, obviously Grand Central really is a marvel, but Union Station is a very, very beautiful building and it's in our nation's capital.
Obviously, everything in our nation's capital, there's just a different standard that should be expected because it really is, you know, it resembles and reflects the entire country.
And Union Station is this hub of transportation, a testament to transportation.
It's a very large country, so we're transporting quite often.
And Union Station is really the forerunner of our rail, rail infrastructure in this country.
And if you've been to Union Station in the last few years, you know it's a dump.
It's a dump.
There's homeless everywhere.
Like half of the areas of the train station are just off-limits for seemingly no reason, just like faux construction projects that never seem to go anywhere.
Half the restaurants are closed and the service sucks.
And it's just really, you feel like you're in a third world country to a large degree when you go to union station it's unfortunate because in the northeast at least northeast corridor rail transit's actually quite useful i mean you know there's these people that are really into rail and and whatnot um but in the northeast it is quite useful and then you walk out of union station you have the view of the capital building so i mean i think this is brilliant reclaim control it goes to what i was saying earlier of the um of the trump administration sort of reprioritizing um you
know the rights and of rights of Americans, everyday American citizen America.
So with that, I'll close there.
Obviously, it was a different sort of energy for this segment.
I'll wait and tee off.
Surge, I'll wait and tee off.
Yeah.
But yeah, so thank you for watching.
We'll be back for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you for sticking with the segments.
Obviously, different.
I don't have any media training, so it's quite an emotional story.
So, you know, apologies of a bit monotone or whatnot.
But, yeah, we'll – And yeah, thank you for watching Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
And we'll see you there.
For everybody else, we'll get into this story, obviously., we're going to ask Rep Moore for his thoughts on the situation in Minnesota.
I also wanted to ask him about this.
This headline was earlier this week.
Rep Moore urges Trump to present Presidential Medal of Freedom to Pat Buchanan.
Here's a direct quote from him.
For more than half a century, mister Buchanan stole stood boldly for the American worker, the American family, and the American nation at times when it was neither popular nor politically expedient.
That's the end of the quote.
Moore wrote in his letter, his clear-eyed warnings about porous borders, deindustrialization, foreign tanglements, and the decline of traditional values were once dismissed by elites, but have been proven exactly right.
And that is true.
Riley Moore, obviously, this was fantastic from him.
And we love to see it.
And so, yeah, we're going to ask him about the, about his letter urging Trump to honor Pat Buchanan.
Let's see if we can get him in here.
Hi, Congressman, can you hear me?
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I can hear you.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
How are we doing today?
unidentified
Good.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
How are you?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Doing all right.
I'm sure most of the viewers are quite familiar with you.
Maybe you could just give a quick intro for those who are not.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, sure.
Hey, I'm Riley Moore, Congressman, Second Congressional District out in the great state of West Virginia, actually not too far from the studio typically, but yeah, you probably have seen me on IRL quite a bit.
I haven't been on for a little while.
Also, world famous for my kick flip on the flat bank.
unidentified
So, there we go.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
I love it.
That's good stuff.
Well, I mean, obviously, we have a lot to get into.
First, I just wanted to start, I mean, I'm sure you've seen the news.
I saw your statement on it with the situation in Minneapolis.
I wonder if you just had any sort of general thoughts on the shooting.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, it's an absolute tragedy.
I mean, and it's heartbreaking.
You know, I don't, you know, like to say where my kids go to school, but they do go to a school Catholic school and they do go to mass.
In the same way they go walk down the street.
It's we've seen Christian institutions in this country consistently under attack and we're going to find out who this is.
I'm not going to sit here and guess who it is.
But it's more about, I think, an attack on just the culture of this country and trying to just rip it apart.
It feels like, at least to me.
And so certainly it feels, you know, I can feel this pretty, viscerally given that I have kids and where they go to school.
So it's just absolute tragedy.
It's heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking.
And people were killed and sitting in their pews.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Right.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
There's the Catholic Church.
Just absolutely evil.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
No, yeah, it's absolutely horrible.
I mean, and it really just hits at this theme where America is just really starting to feel unstable and more violent.
And certainly among the Christian community, we're sensing this.
I mean, you touched on it.
I'm sure you're sensing the same thing as just this country really is starting to feel like there's a lot of people with nothing to lose and it's starting to feel very unstable.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
No, that's exactly right.
And flashback to that school that was attacked, if I remember correctly, Nashville, Tennessee, a Christian school that was attacked by some trans terrorist over there that shot it up.
Yes, I mean, it's and now this is happening again.
And luckily though, we do have President Trump in the White House where we can actually have these conversations about what in the hell is going on on here?
And hopefully start to get to the bottom of it and prevent these things from happening again.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, I hate doing the dance because this happens after every shooting where the left and right both propose sort of these surface, obviously the left just wants to grab guns.
We know their playbook, but even on the right, you know, you get this dance for like, well, maybe it's the video games.
Maybe it's this, that and the other.
But it really feels like whatever solution is just putting a kind of band-aid on the situation.
It feels like the underlying issue is that you just have a high proportion of this country that just has no, they have a void in their soul, right?
They just feel empty inside.
And that seems incredibly alarming.
I mean, I don't know, what sort of, what sort of direction do we need to go in as a country to ensure that we don't have people like this that are, you know, that seem to be everywhere?
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Well, yeah.
And part of that will be guided by who is this?
Now we knew who the last one was, it was this trans terrorist individual.
And look, there's a lot of mental health issues in this country.
And in terms of mental health issues and saying, no, there's nothing wrong with you, don't worry about it.
And then they act out in violence.
And as you said, look, just have a kind of a void and that they're trying to fill or blame on someone else or some community or some religious institution or whatever.
And it's costing people their lives.
So I think part of it is we just need to really be honest about what is going on in this country and who is doing it and how we can actually stop it and not kind of the window dressing of, you know, let's not hurt people's feelings about this.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Sure, absolutely.
I mean, and it kind of goes with it as the Trump administration does seem to have a little bit of a different different view.
I mean, I think they're quite aware of how violent this country appears to be getting and how instable it has been getting obviously over the last few decades.
Certainly, his approach to DC indicates a different sort of mindset when handling these issues.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
No, absolutely.
And I think the way you could kind of encapsulate that is in a very simple phrase of enough is enough.
No more.
No more.
Enough.
We've had enough of this.
And, you know, people can whine and cry and scream about any of this stuff.
Our cities, in particular, our nation's capital, it should be safe.
It should be one of the safest cities in the country where people from all over our country and the world for that matter can come.
visit it and say, Wow, look at the capital of the United States.
Beautiful place, safe, great, you know, but we've let it just run amok ever since we gave home rule to Washington, DC and the Democrats have run the place into the ground.
And it's one of the most dangerous cities in America right now and enough, no more.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely.
I mean, it kind of, I've said this before on the show with how bad DC got, as it really seemed like from the city leadership and also the Democrats in large, the National Democrats, it was almost this attempt to demoralize, you know, patriotic Americans by taking their capital and just turning it into a disaster zone.
And then, like I touched on earlier, is we already have a population where a large proportion are feeling like their lives are devoid of meaning.
I mean, you know, I hate to attribute such grandiose sort of themes to the Trump administration, but it does seem to be like providing a pathway forward.
You know, again, you know, it's not articulated the best sometimes, but the general theme just seems like, no, this is we're taking control.
Like you said, enough is enough.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, no, that's exactly right.
And the average American, I do believe, supports what President Trump's trying to do.
And at least in my district, they do.
And it's just like, no more of this.
No more.
And it's just the very simple, just common sense things that used to be just kind of cultural norms, like maybe we don't want riots and violence in our cities.
And it's like, well, it's a little more complicated than that.
unidentified
It's like, no, actually it's not.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
And instead of just like talking around these issues and why these violent acts are happening and kind of origin stories and think, no more.
No, we're not doing that anymore.
Enough.
unidentified
No more.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, the conservative movement has put out a lot of paperwork and a lot of paperwork and a lot of reading material over the last few decades.
And it feels like, although the Trump administration certainly is guided by some policy experts, there's no doubt about that.
They're tired of theorizing.
It's more of an administration of doing.
Yes.
I mean, I'm sure you've seen it, you know, coming through Congress.
We have a lot of great theorizers, certainly.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, look, the think tanks can think this stuff to death.
That's fine.
Write papers and all that and reams of papers and we all look at them.
That's interesting.
No, that and Trump just has, in my view, a lot of theory.
the greatest instincts of any president I can really think of.
I mean, it is his superpower.
I mean, he's just got gut instincts that are almost always correct, if not always correct.
I mean, he ends up being right basically every time.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely.
Well, I mean, and like we were talking earlier, there's this whole think tank coalition, this part of the conservative movement.
I mean, I know a lot of people that are in these things.
There are some fantastic people.
There's no question about that.
So a lot of this is part of this broader infrastructure that has built up that the GOP has been built up on over the last few years decades, they went to war with Trump in 2016 until he was able to really wrestle control of the party away from what we'll just say the establishment.
But another figure that was villainized viciously by the establishment was Pat Buchanan.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
And yes.
So I saw your proposal and I found that very exciting because I feel like he's not getting the love and respect he deserves.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
No, you know, and so many times there's an individual in history that has this outsized impact and was ahead of their time.
And Pat Buchanan is certainly one of those.
Now, if he was a Democrat., I'm sure some statue would already be built to him.
But as a Republican, they've tried to kind of bury him for a very long time.
But he was, I mean, America first before we were really talking about America first, and his book came out in 2002, so far ahead of its time, The Death of the West, and everything basically in that book has come true.
All of it in terms of immigration, population decline in the West and all these other.
He's been right the whole time.
And it seems so.
It seems just like common sense now.
some of the things that he was saying, but back in the 90s he stated things like the economy is not more important than the country.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
You know, and like at the time it's like, oh, well, no, you know, GDP grows, mister Buchanan.
I mean, this is very important.
But it's still common sense now, and everybody seems to be aligned to those kind of principles and ideas.
But back then it was kind of sacrosanct.
It's like, what are you talking about?
Globalization, Pat.
You know, it's a wave of the future.
And he even showed up.
Fight against NAFTA at the time of the NAFTA.
At the time when Clinton was pushing the NAFTA deal, which obviously eventually became law, it hurt the steel workers in my district, NAFTA did.
And Pat Buchanan went up there and gave a great speech about it.
And thousands of our guys ended up losing jobs over NAFTA.
And flash forward to Trump, he gets rid of NAFTA.
And then you have the USMCA trade agreement, which kind of obviously leveled the playing field.
But all those things that Pat Buchanan had been talking about for decades are now actually coming to fruition.
And I know in his speech there where he lost one of his presidential runs.
He just said he hoped he lived long enough to actually see these ideas come to fruition and the establishment essentially die.
And look, here he is.
And that's part of why I wrote the letter to the president and requesting that he receive the Medal of Freedom is that obviously his contributions, he is also 86 years old now, and it would be great to honor him in his lifetime for what he did and took all the arrows for a very long time.
Like President Trump has taken all the arrows as well, more so than any politician that I can think of.
I mean, he's almost paid the ultimate price for his views, at least twice now.
But Pat, you know, he was really a visionary in this kind of America first, more populist aligned vision of the Republican Party, and it's come to fruition.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely.
I mean, for me coming, like I was born in 2001.
So, you know, I grew up, my sort of awareness of politics has been post Trump the whole time.
I was, what, 14, 15 when he was the Republican nominee.
So I've always, I've always known a GOP that was Trump.
I mean, could you maybe elaborate more on what sort of environment Pat Buchanan was in specifically in his Oh yeah.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
I mean, so this.
He comes out of the Nixon White House, and Nixon was more aligned with Trump than the preceding presidents after Richard Nixon in terms of this kind of working class coalition America First.
But Pat Buchanan was living in the time and fighting in the time in the eighties and particularly, well, he worked for Reagan, but after that, particularly the 90s and where it was, like, we won the Cold War, you had this fusionist Republican movement of social conservatives,
libertarians and kind of anti-communists, what we would kind of call more like neocons now, and created this conservative movement where all three were kind of working together to defeat communism, which had negative ramifications for everyone within that party coalition.
But Pat Buchanan was the guy where so it's like, you know, the Christian conservatives were fine with, you know, globalization, free trade if it meant trying to harm the Soviet Union and the communist movement around the world at that time.
And so we kind of traded some things within that coalition of the Republican Party.
But Papua New Guinea was very consistent throughout all of this.
And like I said, you know, the economy is not more important than the country.
And post-Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War.
unidentified
Oh.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
See, did we lose him?
I think we might have lost.
I think we might have lost Congressman Moore there.
That's unfortunate because he was really cooking, really cooking there.
Let's see.
Let me message.
We lost Congressman Moore.
Okay, well, that really sucks.
All right, this is awkward.
This is a good test here of media training.
I mean, I got him up here, but he's not in the room.
Well, I'll get into another story that I had left over and we'll see if we can get Congressman Moore back and see the team.
is potentially updating.
So, who knows.
Anyway, that is unfortunate.
Let's see, Surge.
I think it's his connection he dropped.
unidentified
Oh, really?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the room is still here.
unidentified
So we have...
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, we have producer Surge in here just confirming that I didn't press anything that I shouldn't have.
unidentified
His connection was good.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Well, keep, maybe keep in touch with the rest of the team.
I'll get into another story just to keep the, oh, he said he's back in.
Is he?
I'll reload.
unidentified
Yeah, join the room again.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Join the room again.
We'll see if that does anything.
unidentified
Virtual cameras on.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
It should work.
He said he's dropped.
He's back in.
I don't know about all that.
Well, see if Surge can remedy the situation.
Let's see.
Oh, I don't even have access to chats right now.
I'm just a sitting duck right now.
unidentified
You can try to see chats over here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
All right.
We'll take a look at the chats while Surge addresses the situation.
Surge fixed Congress.
I don't know if that's within his purview it may be yeah it's stalling am I doing a good job stalling or I consider it filibustering because we are dealing with a congressman here Tim teleported to another dimension that's not true I saw him today he's not he's here he's just uh he's just chilling he's still recovering obviously Did he turn it off and on again?
That could be a solution, maybe.
unidentified
Huh.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Can't do it when we're live, but.
Yeah.
Oh, Carrie's dropped, but he's back in.
I'll pull the chats up on my phone.
Maybe I can do that.
so that way you can have full access to the computer.
We got a little bit of it, but recovering from what?
It's still the throat situation.
I think he tried to push it too early and it reaggravated the situation.
There's like some technical medical terms that he was using.
unidentified
Viral pharyngitis.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, something like that.
I don't know.
just know his uh he's down for the count and he still sounds very hoarse when i was speaking to him so um we need proof of life um we can i mean i saw him so i i don't know i can ask him maybe he can hold up today's newspaper or something like that um did you try deleting system 32 did we try that surge we try and delete system 32 that's a good one it could be a that could be a solution um sensitive soul says well done on getting cracker barrel to go back to its original logo uh you know it wasn't i would i wouldn't say it
was entirely me i will i will take a victory up because got like 100 likes on it's we go that but oh we have congressman more back whatever oh can you hear me back okay i think the ancient ancient The anti-Buchanan coalition was attacking our internet connection.
unidentified
I'm going to get back to work.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Peace out, guys.
Yeah, where we left off, you were kind of breaking down the dynamic of Buchanan's relationship with the GOP in the early nineties.
unidentified
Yeah.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And as people might remember, he ran against Bob Dole for the Republican nomination for president.
And look, he stuck by his guns and his principles throughout this whole thing.
Of course, the neocons ended up winning that primary election, which then Dole got hammered in the general election because the electorate was in a different place and weren't buying what we were selling.
And had Pat Buchanan been nominated, who knows?
Maybe, perhaps, he would have been successful.
But he fought the establishment and the neocons his entire career.
And then early 2000s starts the American Conservative, the publication that actually I placed that op ed in about wanting Pat Buchanan to be.
back he He was one of the American Conservatives was actually the publication that first kind of platformed the Hillbilly Elegy book by now vice president JT Vance.
So there's a lot of legacy there for Pat Buchanan and the Conservative.
movement and he never wavered, he never gave up and fought it tooth and nail.
And all the time, and I know it's hard to kind of think about it now, but he was like a cook and a crank.
That's, you know, people were just like, this guy's crazy and I know what he's talking about.
And then to be proven correct the whole time in which he's lived long enough to be able to see that.
That's why we have to honor this great man.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely.
I mean, like I said, coming, kind of matriculating into politics in the post Trump era, every time I saw a quote from Buchanan, I was like, yeah, that panned out only to realize it was thirty years earlier.
And I'm sitting here thinking, well, if he would have won.
thirty years earlier, he could have mopped this up much earlier.
We'd be in a much better, or I should say, the fight wouldn't be nearly as difficult.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
That's right.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
What sort of, I mean, what sort of, what his legacy policy wise are you seeing that's living on through this second Trump admin specifically?
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Well, specifically is immigration and border security, which he talked about.
I mean, and everybody was like, this guy is nuts.
He wants to build a wall.
And he was very adamant about controlling immigration, but secondarily is also trade.
And I know I've mentioned it a couple of times, but it's, it's so.
aptly put.
And that's what drove mass immigration, open borders, bad trade deals, all those other things.
And so I'm sure he's very happy right now to see the tariffs, the immigration policies now being corrected.
So there's a lot there.
There's a lot there.
But I think those are kind of the big two to me is immigration and reasserting the sovereignty and importance of citizenship in this country and then also adjusting.
the trade work, the trade framework that we've had in this country for a long time where we've been getting taken advantage of and other countries are essentially profiting off of us.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, you mentioned his his his his 2002 book, The Death of the West earlier.
And I mean, you saw it come come to life with this whole redistricting fight where he was arguing in the book that this sort of this recomposition of the country that was occurring would lead to, you know, huge political, it would have huge political ramifications.
And I mean, I think the state of California is exhibit A. We're seeing it with the redistricting fight.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
I know, exactly right.
And in the last census, whether someone was a citizen or not a citizen, they were counted in the census for the congressional districts.
Now in this next census, that we cannot allow that to happen.
That doesn't make any sense that part of your district is determined by people who are not even in this country legally.
How does that make?
It doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense at all.
So I think that's going to have a huge effect on how many seats Democrats actually hold.
And Pat Buchanan was right about this the whole time.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, and you're even seeing some of his further predictions in the book, specifically referring to like Western Europe, as far as immigration, where he talked about, you know, the changing composition, changing the culture and making it a more unstable place.
I mean, you look at what's happening in England right now, where like throwing up a Saint George's cross will put you in a prison, like absolute insanity.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
And so he was one hundred percent right on that as well.
I mean, it's if people haven't read that book, The Death of the West, and you know, I need to go back and reread it again.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Now as well.
But I mean, it's it's astounding how right he was.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely.
Well, I have to ask, I mean, since you wrote the letter, I mean, do you have a sense on how how, I mean, I don't know, maybe this is too forward, but do you have a sense on how likely it is that some kind of recognition occurs?
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Well, I have been talking to White House staff about this, and it does seem that there is some interest in doing this.
Not saying it's going to happen, but we've had some really, I've had personally myself some very positive conversations with the White House that this might be a possibility.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
It's fantastic.
I mean, like I said, like you were talking, touching on earlier, I mean, you really do see the fingerprints of his policy proposals in the second Trump administration.
I mean, I can say anecdotally, you know, talking to White House staff, a lot of them were heavily influenced by Pat Buchanan, and so it's really cool.
to see him getting the recognition he deserves.
I had one more question kind of correlating to that is, what do you think the long term effect of Trump and MAGA is?
I mean, because we still have three years of Trump, obviously this will be fantastic, but this JD Vance, you know, potentially JD Vance taking the torch on, taking the mantle of MAGA, it's kind of interesting, you know, talking about Pat Buchanan and his policy proposals extending beyond Trump.
I mean, what is your view of MAGA as a long term, you know, policy platform?
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, and, you know, that's certainly where I align myself right and I consider myself part of that movement and certainly that's where I align in terms of being a member of Congress.
I'm, you know, some people said, you know, more national right leaning, NATCON, MAGA, populist, whatever you want to call it.
But I like MAGA, so we'll stick with that.
If you look at things right now in terms of Vice President Vance taking up the reins and God willing, becoming the next President of the United States.
CEO be the VP nomination nominee and hopefully fill that office.
And then you do have a deep bench within MAGA and it's not going away, it's just growing more and more.
Not only do we have presidential candidates, we have congressional candidates, Senate candidates, and they are winning and filling these seats.
So for me, this is just the beginning.
This isn't the end.
We're like in chapter one right now, which I think is really exciting and the realignment of the constituencies around the country toward MAGA, particularly in the working class.
You know, I'm not saying this is going to happen to us, God willing it does, but as you might recall back in the day, the Democrats had the working class vote just locked up in Congress.
They had a 40 year majority.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
They, you know, they and they got their way for a very long period of time and I think if we are with the people and the American people, particularly the working people of this country, we could be in power for a very long time and have a very positive effect on the average men and women of this great country.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Well, I love it.
I'm glad we got to get you back in.
Again, thank you.
Thank you for stopping by.
and having a chat.
I think this is fantastic.
Where can people find more of you?
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
So I'm on X and Facebook and Instagram and all that.
Riley Moore WV.
That's my personal handle.
And Rep Riley Moore is my official one.
So either one, we stay pretty active on there and come look me up.
Hopefully I'll be back over to the skate park soon.
So yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Keen on it.
I know Serge is keen on it.
He was ready to take a, I think, a game of skate, I think.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I do need to play him in a game of skate.
Yeah.
And that's going to happen.
But I need, I just haven't skated a little bit, so I don't want to go in cold.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
That's right, I love it.
Well, appreciate it.
Appreciate you stopping in.
Have a good rest of your day.
riley moore ▲ ● ▼
Hey, you too.
unidentified
Thanks.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Bye bye.
All righty.
That was Rep, Rep Riley Moore.
I'm very happy that we got to get him back in the show here because, yeah, the Pat Buchanan thing, you know, he's kind of an unsung hero of the MAGA movement.
Again, if you haven't read his books, broadly speaking, or his pieces over the years, you really do see his fingerprints all over the MAGA agenda.
So I think it's fantastic that Rhett Moore is showing him the love he deserves, especially because he's still alive.
He's still alive.
He is 86, I believe.
That's what mister Moore said.
So with that, thanks for watching.
Obviously, prayers with the Christian and the Catholic community in Minneapolis.
We'll be back to discuss tonight at 8 p.m.
I'm sure there will be some more updates.
So be there for that.
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I think it'll be a fascinating show.
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Hopefully we'll have him back soon.
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