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Things haven't been going too well for the Democratic Party as of recent.
In the past several years, you've all seen it.
They've gone so far left, they've rotted their minds.
In the past few months, we've seen some polls come out showing that, well, their approval rating is in the gutter.
And David Hogg, of all people, is begging Democrats to wake up to their abysmal 23% approval rating, which shows, yeah, they're going to have a hard time winning.
Fox News put out a new poll saying they are still the favorite to win in the midterms.
Unless Trump can turn things around, they may take Congress.
And if they do, man, Trump will be impeached faster than you can say impeached.
But I got to tell you, my friends, in terms of party leadership, they've got nothing.
So 2028, I ain't super worried.
But time, you know, it's a long time till then.
And things can definitely change and they will change.
I think that's fair.
Right now.
The frontrunner for the Democratic Party in 2028 is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Yeah, she ain't winning nothing.
You know, for one thing, I do think, and I've said this quite a bit, I think there is an inherent sexism in general.
And I'm not saying this to disparage people for being sexist.
I'm saying there are a lot of people in this country, men and women alike, who ain't voting for a woman president.
Which means AOC is going to have to overcome that hurdle.
Especially if he's running against a man.
Now, I do see the possibility of a woman president if both Republicans and Democrats are only running women.
Yeah, then maybe you will get that.
There was this funny story.
University flipped the Trump debate.
They had a woman be Trump and a man be Hillary Clinton.
And people still favored the Trump narrative.
Because, you know, the Democrats had been saying Hillary lost due to sexism.
I do think they'll play a role, however.
Right now, you've got J.B. Pritzker, you've got Stephen A. Smith, you've got Beto O 'Rourke, you've got Sri Tenedar.
Yeah, who's that guy?
It is crabs in a barrel as everybody fights to get to the top of the Democratic Party, but none of them have the X factor.
To be fair, AOC has a little bit, but certainly not enough yet to actually run for president, which is really crazy because, y 'all, they're telling her to run for president, which I'm going to tell you, good luck.
Maybe she'll write a book after the fact.
But we're going to get into all of this, my friends.
And then, of course, outside of the story of the Democrats is this Shiloh Hendricks narrative.
This woman at a park who was accused of calling a child a racial slur who has now raised $658,000.
So joining us in about half an hour to discuss this and the issue of white guilt.
And how people, how this is going to affect voting, especially considering where the Democrats are at.
We're going to be joined by Carl Benjamin himself, a.k.a.
Sargon Avakad.
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My friends, this is my proposal for the 28th Amendment.
Now, of course, some of you may prefer Joe Biden's equal rights amendment, which he just decreed.
Not kidding.
Joe Biden tried decreeing an amendment to the Constitution, you know, that saying like equality, you know, as for the sexes or whatever.
Here's my 28th Amendment.
Chickens, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep, bear, and breed chickens shall not be infringed.
And you think it's a joke.
It largely is, but there is some truth to this.
The general idea is that we as Americans should be secure in the production of our own food, and that includes livestock within reason.
So while I joke, because chickens are based, the general idea is government should be able to come in and...
Take your crops from you or tell you can't plant food, fruit or vegetables.
We have a right to separate ourselves from the machine state and corporations to grow and secure our own food.
It's funny, the founding fathers never worried about that.
They didn't really know.
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Here's a story from Fox News.
Democrats' favorability hits new low, still favored over GOP in 2026 midterms.
Republicans nosedive with voters under the age of 30. Democrats hit their lowest favorable rating ever this month, as Republicans are viewed more positively than their counterparts for the first time in a decade.
Wow, that's crazy.
Yet voters would back the Democratic candidate over the Republican in their district if the 2026 congressional elections were held today.
The latest Fox News survey released Friday finds 44% have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, while 54% have an unfavorable view.
For the Democratic Party, it's 41 to 56. Wow, minus 15. Results were reversed last summer.
The most recent time Fox asked the question when voters viewed Republicans negatively by 14 points and the Democrats by just six points.
The last time Republicans had a better favorable rating than Democrats, albeit by one point, was in April of 2014.
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Wow.
tim pool
The drop in positivity toward the Democrats comes from within.
Last summer, 87% of self-identified Democrats approved their party.
Now that's down to 77. Democrats hate themselves.
This is the point I am bringing up, my friends.
The average Democrat doesn't want to align with Democrats.
Now that is my opinion, but I'm going to tell you why.
I'm going to show you.
AOC getting heckled.
Stephen A. Smith says we got to purge the party.
Beto O 'Rourke says y 'all are weak.
You've got people who support the party in general because they hate Republicans and they want to win, but they don't like anyone who's representing the party.
They're all fighting like crabs in a bucket.
Anytime someone rise up, the other one's going to pull them down.
Now, we don't need to actually—I'm going to say this.
I gave a brief mention to Sri Tanadar, but I'm not going to go beyond that.
The guy who impeached Donald, we filed articles of impeachment, which is a dumb waste of everybody's time.
And he's doing it because he wants the attention.
But I will give a shout out to Piers Morgan, because I know that a lot of people thought we were having drama and that was never my intention.
So shout out to Piers.
He had me on his show and gave me the opportunity to confront Sri over his ridiculous impeachment.
And I, as well as Jink Uygur, of all people.
Roasted him over this.
I mean, everybody did.
But even Cenk Uygur was like, this is, I'm paraphrasing, but this is ridiculous.
You're not getting any Republicans on board.
This is a waste of time.
Indeed.
Homie is doing it to boost his profile because he ain't got nothing else.
And you know, part of me, I feel bad because he's a bit of a doof.
Like this guy, he's coming on TV being like, you know, Donald Trump, he's doing all these bad things.
And I'm just like, bro.
You not liking what Trump is doing is not grounds for impeachment.
But this is the best they have.
It's kind of sad.
I can only feel so bad for him.
Take a look at this Fox poll data.
Favorable ratings of the major political parties.
I want to stress this, my friends.
You know, I get this all the time from people like, Tim, you said we don't trust the polls and blah, blah.
I'm going to tell you this.
I like poll aggregates.
Polling aggregates are good.
Let's do Democrat Party, real clear politics.
Let's see if the real clear politics has got Democratic Party favorability.
Aggregates, I like, okay?
But right now, let me tell you this.
Typically and historically, in the videos I'd make tracking polls, I would use the aggregates.
But now, when it comes to Trump, the polls make no sense.
This is the problem.
Let me pull up Trump's job approval.
Okay, Trump's job approval has improved markedly.
Take a look at this.
Economist YouGov has Trump minus 11. Reuters, Trump minus 11. Hold on.
For the same time period, RMG has Trump plus one?
This is what I'm saying, guys.
Even the aggregates are almost meaningless at this point.
Rasmussen has Trump plus one.
Trafalgar has Trump plus two.
So we can argue he's been improving.
But wait, hold on.
How is it that Rasmussen has a plus one, but for the same time period, and Emerson has a tie, but for the same time period, Economist YouGov has a minus 11. That swing is so profound, we can suss out no data.
Ergo, it is not fair to say that Trump is currently minus 6.5.
It's fair to say, I have no idea where he's currently standing.
The reason I bring that up...
If you track a singular poll that you trust, you're going to understand movement based on politics better.
So going back to the Democratic Party favorability, right now you've got Economist YouGov saying minus 22, Pew Research minus 22, Wall Street Journal minus 24. But despite the fact that we have these aggregates, it still is really hard.
To suss this out because they don't poll for the Democratic Party favorability the same or over the same periods of time.
Here's my point.
When you're looking at the data from Fox News, they're going to poll largely the same way.
So what we can say is this.
Democratic Party, July 2024, 47% of all voters.
What does it say?
Percentage of voters have a favorable view.
April 25, among all voters, 41%.
Does that mean it's actually 41%?
Normally, I'd say the aggregate shows they're all within the margin of error.
The aggregate's probably correct.
Considering all the polls are nuts and no one's polling accurately for the most part, Rasmussen largely is, I would just say track the movement of the same poll.
If they're polling in the same way, similar people, and favorability goes down, that is likely the case.
That is why I said last week, Rasmussen had Trump down, indicating that they're polling the same way.
If he is now down, he likely took a hit on the tariff story.
He has since rebounded as the market has improved.
That makes sense.
Now let's check in with our good friend AOC.
How's she doing?
Quote, you're a war criminal.
AOC heckled by pro-Gaza constituents in Queens.
Well, okay, I guess.
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Here's the video.
tim pool
It warms my heart.
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You reap what you sow.
Okay, we get it.
tim pool
It's a cacophony of nonsense.
But this young woman is screaming, what are you going to do about the genocide in Gaza?
You're a war criminal.
You reap what you sow, AOC.
I will not shed a single tear.
In fact, I'm going to sit back.
Crack open a delicious tropical...
Where are those little protein smoothies?
We've got these delicious tropical protein smoothie.
It's close I can get the pina colada.
It's got no alcohol, but it's got MCT and good whey protein.
And I'm going to sip on that watch with a smile on my face.
Can I tell you, my friends, I respect the fervor to a certain degree, like the passion, I should say.
But, yo, what I cannot stand...
About this degree of developmental disability.
Okay, and first of all, you know, in all seriousness, if she is incapable of learning, then I do feel bad for these people.
But, you know, I've been around for 39 years, and I've spent much of my life...
I'm involved in politics to some degree.
That's right.
Even as a 12 and 13 year old, I was on, what do we have?
Newgrounds and FARC.com.
Newgrounds was less so political and more just, you guys know Newgrounds.
If you know Newgrounds, you know what it is.
It's cartoons and stuff, precursor to like YouTube.
They never went to video.
But FARC.com back in the day was news headlines.
And I'm reading the news all day, every day.
I was a little kid.
I mean, I was like 12, 13 and I'm on the internet, I'm reading news.
And I started getting into punk rock music.
Coincided with this.
It was very political themed.
Started working for non-profits.
All that stuff.
Protested.
I gotta tell you.
The things I did not know then.
And I gotta tell you now.
The things I do not know now.
But I do know a bit.
And I mean it literally.
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A bit.
tim pool
And so what I can tell you is this.
What irks me about these people that the Democrats have fomented when they're screaming genocide in Gaza.
We as a nation.
I question these people and their fervor over a singular issue and why.
And it's not about Gaza, Israel.
Literally anything else.
Dakota Access Pipeline protesters back in the day, same deal.
Why is this the one thing you care about?
Why do you not care about every other instance that is similar to this?
While they were dealing with Keystone, The Dakota Access Pipeline and several other pipelines.
It was like this one that mattered.
Meanwhile, you have Alaska.
They don't care about that.
And it's a question I have of for these young people, what are they focused on?
And I think the answer is quite simple.
This is why I say you reap what you sow.
AOC fomented this behavior, hyper-focusing on these issues, and she has created a youth that doesn't know enough.
This Saturday, we had the Culture War Live event.
And one of the guys who came up, a young guy, probably in his 20s, was a liberal.
And he did not understand what the Biden administration had done that had made conservatives so willing to allow Trump to exercise extreme executive authorities.
And he asked the question, what if you get a President AOC and then she starts doing these things?
I said to this man, the Biden administration already did this.
And the Obama administration before that, with the IRS, when you as a liberal are saying, if you do this, Democrats can do it next.
What these young people don't understand is that for the millennials that are in their late 30s, we're going, bro, we watched that happen over 10 years.
And now we are trying to stop it.
But see, they don't know that.
Because these young guys, 22, 23 years old, they weren't paying attention to politics five, six years ago.
They didn't see what happened 10 years ago with Trump being accused of being a spy.
Because they were just listening to music, hanging out.
So now as they're entering politics, they're saying, whoa, why are you doing this thing?
And it's like, we don't want that thing to happen.
But how do you deal with 20 million illegal immigrants in your country right now?
I'm not saying no due process.
I'm saying Trump will use extreme executive authorities.
To clarify, he will use what he's illegally allowed to use to engage in these behaviors, though we're surprised he's going that far.
But it ain't just AOC who's reaping the benefits.
Beto O 'Rourke blasts fellow dams as lazy and weak and slams Schumer for surrendering to Trump.
Oh boy.
Does Beto O 'Rourke want to get in this race?
Certainly hope he does.
Stephen A. Smith chiming in.
Democratic Party would need to be purged.
Oh, yeah.
The funny thing is, he's also one of the frontrunners.
Why?
What is going on?
I love it, though.
Stephen A. Smith said the Democratic Party would need to be purged before he would run for president under the party.
Smith joined CNN State of the Union on Sunday, where host Jake Tapper asked him about a 2028 run.
If you were to run for president, would it be as a Democrat?
And he says, I'm a registered independent who leans left.
I'm fiscally conservative when it comes to my money.
I'm socially liberal.
I'm liberal when it comes to social issues pretty much across the board.
Well, that's what's funny.
Because I'm me.
I'm actually kind of social.
I'm fiscally liberal.
But I'm socially moderate to conservative.
Isn't that weird how we ended up in this place?
So if I had to run, it would be as a Democrat.
But I'm not happy with the Democratic Party.
So the Democratic Party, as presently constructed...
It would pretty much need to be purged in order for me to assume that I would want to be associated with him.
Bravo, good sir.
Bravo.
I give you a golf clap.
Golf clap.
Tapper asked Smith about whom he would like to see purged from the party for him to be associated with it.
Smith said he wasn't going to name any names regarding whom he would remove from the party leadership, but he slammed the far left and excessive spending.
Smith argued the Democratic...
He noted that he is a political outsider who is not qualified to run for office.
Quote, You're damn right.
It's because of the state of our politics in this nation's capital.
The politicians that we're looking at and the fact that we don't believe for one second that they are serving the interests of the American people, nor are they interested in it.
People look at me and they know one thing.
I would be interested in serving the American people and doing what's in the best interest of this country, he continued.
I love it.
I'd love it for the Democratic Party to be purged.
I'd love it for people like him to come in and actually make sense.
But here's the issue.
What do you mean you're socially liberal?
So you want kids to get sex changes, dude?
Listen, back in the day we had safe legal rare for abortion.
The general idea when I grew up was that abortion was a bad thing you didn't want to do, but unfortunately sometimes bad things happen.
That means the implication was abortion wasn't contraception.
Abortion was, oh no, I have a medical ailment and I'm freaking out.
What do I do?
I could die or the baby could die.
And the argument was that the doctors and the mothers should make that difficult decision.
But the Democrats transformed this.
They turned it into anyone at any time for any reason, just go kill the baby.
And now you have that as socially liberal.
You've got Democrats saying that, you know, it's really funny.
This is a viral clip where this dude on The View is saying, you know, men, when they see a group being attacked, they go into protection mode.
Do they?
He's making a stupid point about the transgender community.
Bro, there are a lot of groups ain't nobody gonna protect.
Like child abusers.
There's a group of people, when they get attacked, men say they're the offenders.
No one's defending them.
I guess Democrats are.
But therein lies the point.
And now we got J.B. Pritzker.
Do nothing Democrats.
He thunders against them as he stokes 2028 talk.
Oh boy.
The Hill's given us the list of the top 10 Democratic contenders, and things are looking good for 2028 for the Republican side.
On the Democrat side, here's what you got.
AOC.
Okay, well, AOC's pulling at around 10%.
I'm not saying that everybody hates her.
When they asked who was the leader of their party, only 10% said AOC, but she did win.
There's that.
People might get behind her.
You've got Josh Shapiro as a possibility, but Democrats, yo, he's Jewish.
They ain't going to nominate that guy.
They don't like Jewish people.
Gretchen Whitmer has been pulling this bipartisan stunt with Donald Trump.
I think there's a strong possibility Whitmer tries to get into that game.
And I think it's pretty obvious.
Although now the Democrats are coming after her pretty, pretty heavily because they feel like she's betraying them.
You know, so be it.
You reap what you sow, Democrats.
Who's next on the list?
Gavin Newsom.
He's kind of fallen out of the limelight.
But we'll see what he starts to do.
We'll see what he does.
He's doing these podcasts.
He's at Charlie Kirk and Bannon and some other liberals.
They say Wes Moore?
Not gonna happen.
Wes Moore is a C-lister.
You know, like, he's okay, but you're probably going, who?
Exactly.
Those of us who are in politics, we kinda know, we kinda know.
Former Vice President Kamala Harris.
Please.
Please pick this lady.
Dude, this lady could not win a race if she was driving a car.
A foot race?
That was a bad analogy, but you get the point.
She couldn't win a foot race if she was driving a car.
So you put her in this election.
Yo.
You see that viral video again where she's like, I saw these elephants and they came together to protect one another.
It's like, okay, look.
She tries to do this thing where she sounds profound and she sounds really dumb.
It doesn't work.
It doesn't.
It's like trying to create quotes, but for a third grade audience.
Number seven, we got J.B. Pritzker.
He's trying as hard as he can.
Pete Buttigieg grew a beard, started going on right-wing podcasts.
Not really right-wing, but, you know, not really left-wing podcasts.
Rahm Emanuel, that one's an interesting one.
They say in appearances with the likes of Maher, he's argued the party has put too much focus on social issues like trans rights and too little on fighting crime and improving schools.
That may be big.
And lastly, they say Stephen A. Smith.
You know, I would love it if the Democratic Party purged the psychotic left and actually became a party of, I don't know, like the working class.
I've said it before.
I will say it again.
If the Democrats in 2024, I would say it's 2015, but you know, Hillary, it was her turn.
If in 2024, The Democrats brought out a candidate who said, guys, it is a good thing that Trump secured the border.
Let me tell you, Democrats, let me tell you a story first.
Okay, I'm going to derail.
15 years ago, man, I can't believe it.
15 years ago, whatever.
13 years ago, maybe.
I'm sitting on a bus.
Oh, no, man, this has got to be like 14 years ago.
Crazy.
And I was hanging out with my friend.
I had been working on a tech startup for an app that was going to do online fundraising, which is crazy because then you get ActBlue and WinRed.
And I wish me and my friends actually ended up building it.
But we were working on it.
And I said, here's the idea.
Online fundraising through social media, a web portal where anyone can plug into it.
And then you can facilitate donations for political and activist causes.
No joke.
Legit.
This is like March of 2011.
I was working on this with some people in California.
And I'm on a bus.
My friend's like, shh, you're really just going to say this out loud?
People can hear you.
And I laughed and I was like, do you think the people on the bus are going to steal this idea?
I'm struggling to make it.
And never did.
You know, it's hard enough for me to try and get something going.
And so, when I now give this advice to Democrats, people say, don't give them advice.
I'm saying it because I know they can never figure it out.
Anyway, if the Democrats put forward a guy right now, And he said, listen, it is good that Trump closed the border.
It is good that Trump is enacting certain tariffs on certain materials to bring back the Rust Belt manufacturing base.
Those are good things.
Trans kid stuff ain't an issue.
We don't want that to be happening.
Let's have that settled in court.
If this person came out and said, what Trump is doing is good, But then the attack would be Trump seems chaotic.
Trump seems like he's not planned it out, like he has the idea, but not a plan.
The attack vector for Democrats is to say Trump good, Trump execution bad.
I mean it.
Now, here's what I will say.
I'm still not convinced they're gonna be able to pull it off, largely because the woke element that's holding the party back.
But Trump is the popular vote winner.
And most older people vote against Trump because they hate Trump, not for any meaningful policy reason.
Meaning if you created a 40, let's say 48-year-old tall white man who said Trump is right on a lot of his policy positions.
I'll tell you that right now.
But he's kind of a dick.
That would create an opening.
For the people who only care about Trump to vote for this person, because they would just go along with it because he's not Trump, then you would steal from Trump a lot of the middle-of-the-road people.
But hey, Democrats haven't figured that one out, so that's a shame for them.
More importantly, I don't think AOC is going to let it happen.
And there's no rising star in the party who can make that happen.
David Hogg, who's trying to be some up-and-coming young star, is still living in a crackpot leftist reality.
So they're doomed.
That's why I feel comfortable saying these things.
Hey, here's how you win, Democrats.
I'm only saying because I know you wouldn't be able to actually pull it off.
So, we'll see.
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For everybody else that's still here, we're going to be pulling in this story, which I'm going to prime you guys for right now.
This is the Give, Send, Go of Shiloh Hendrix.
And as the story goes, this lady was on a playground.
Was accused of calling a baby a racial slur because she says he was going through her stuff.
The man then is yelling at her.
She tells him F off.
She throws some slurs at him.
After this incident went viral, you'd expect this woman to have been canceled.
Lose her job.
Instead, the opposite happened.
GiveSendGo.com.
She launched this page, Help Me Protect My Family.
And has so far raised $663,111 of a million dollar goal.
This is a big story.
Because something is changing in the cultural zeitgeist.
Something is changing.
People are fed up with the, you know, you've got minorities that will insult and use racial slurs against white people.
And we are told that's socially acceptable because it's punching up.
But that is a leftist precept.
That's a leftist idea.
With the Democratic Party trying to go this route and losing younger voters and white voters, not to mention they've lost basically every demographic.
How are they going to claw back when they stand firmly on the side of racism every day?
Now, some may say, but Tim, this story is about a lady being racist.
Sort of.
It is on the surface.
But the fundraising.
It's largely about people being fed up with the racism, and this is the recoil.
This is the blowback on DEI.
If you are going to have a persistent and consistent culture where comedians are allowed to use racial stories against white people, but white people can't say anything back, they're allowed to just say, ha ha, yeah, I guess you're right.
Eventually, you get people who say, I've had enough of this.
I don't want to live in the world where anybody is racist.
And what happens?
The people who don't want racism end up supporting this woman out of spite and anger over the racism directed at them.
And then, of course, the core of actual white racists join in and say, we were always here.
Where this goes, I'm not entirely sure, but there are two big questions.
How is this going to impact the Democratic Party that largely wants to maintain these DEI and racist ideas?
And why is it really happening?
Maybe I'm right.
Maybe I'm wrong.
But I do think that my good friend Carl Benjamin has a good idea about all this.
So let me see if I can grab this feller here, if we're loading.
We are booting it up.
I see, Carl.
Now let's see if we can get this set up and get it rolling.
Carl Benjamin, can you hear me?
carl benjamin
I can.
How are you?
tim pool
I'm doing well.
Welcome to—we started doing these morning interviews, so it's an honor and privilege to have you here.
It's a pleasure.
You put out a video over the weekend that I thought was actually pretty good.
You said it was the end of white guilt pertaining to Shiloh Hendricks.
So what I've been talking about for the past half hour is the Democratic Party's got no frontrunner.
They're ideologically split.
You've got the woke element.
You've got Stephen A. Smith.
He's saying we've got to purge the party.
You've got Beto O 'Rourke saying they're weak.
Pritzker saying we've got to fight.
And I don't know if they're going to be able to moderate because of the racist woke elements that persist in the party.
But this development here with the Chilo Hendricks story is interesting.
So I'm wondering if you can give us your breakdown of...
Why you think this woman's raised $663,000, and then we can talk about how this affects politics.
carl benjamin
There's a kind of implicit bargain in the Civil Rights Act that has never really been properly acted upon, which is black people will be given access to the full spectrum of spaces in wider society, primarily white society.
And that was fulfilled.
But the other side of that is the implicit assumption that black people won't nurture a longstanding grievance against white people.
And that hasn't been fulfilled.
And we saw this with the Carmelo Anthony case, where he probably murdered someone.
And the black community decided to raise more than $500,000 for him because...
A lot of people perceive that it was because he murdered a white person.
And a lot of the comments that came in on that, on the donations were, we hate white people and we're glad you killed a white person.
And this is just not an acceptable thing to do.
And this is hardly the first time that this was done.
I mean, I'm personally of the opinion that the chap who killed George Floyd, whose name for some reason escapes me.
tim pool
Derek Chauvin.
carl benjamin
That's right, Derek Chauvin.
I'm of the opinion that he is essentially...
tim pool
Wait, wait, I gotta pause you there.
I don't think he killed him.
carl benjamin
I don't think either.
That's the point.
I think that George Floyd was dying of a fentanyl overdose.
But the charged atmosphere because of the nurtured race grievances meant that Derek Chauvin essentially had to go to jail.
No matter what happened in that case.
And that means that what you have is a racial element of your society holding the rest hostage, saying, look, we're going to keep doing this because it's profitable for us, and there's no reason that we give this power up.
And I think that in the case of the Shiloh Hendricks event, in that she, don't get me wrong, I don't think you should be calling children racial slurs, but it really wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other things that have been done in the name of race grievance mongering.
So I think that a large number of people online, and I think it's predominantly sort of, I guess what you call a white separatist community online, decided that they'd had enough and they were just going to give her money in the same way that the black community gives its martyrs money, purely on the basis of race.
And I think really, and I think people like you and I have been warning about this for a long time, if you allow one side to...
Do this kind of thing.
And it's not addressed.
It's in fact, in many ways, encouraged.
The other side will eventually say, right, that's how the game's played then.
And we're just going to play this game.
And actually, it turns out there are a lot more of us than there are of you.
So maybe you won't like it if we play it this way.
And I think that's what's really driving this issue.
tim pool
Yeah, a lot of people are saying this is a reaction to the Carmelo Anthony story.
He killed a guy.
He's admitted he's killed the guy.
The question now is, will his defense, his family's claims, actually hold up in court?
And even, you know, we brought in self-defense experts who said, yeah, that's not going to fly.
He brought a knife to a high school track meet and then stabbed a guy who pushed him.
You're not going to get away with that.
But you're right.
I saw a lot of these comments.
The money they raised for the Carmelo Anthony family was racial solidarity.
The posts I've seen on Twitter are all racial solidarity.
They're attacking.
You know, Austin, saying that he was a white bully and that white people have done this, that, or otherwise.
And so, you know, what I see with this story, with the Shiloh Hendricks story, all she's accused of doing is insulting a person in a rather crass way.
And it's funny because if this is the reaction to it, it's still nowhere near the scale that people have seen in the inverse.
Right?
You mentioned the Chauvin case.
You, of course, have the Ahmaud Arbery case.
Are you familiar with that one?
carl benjamin
I know the name, but I can't remember the details offhand.
tim pool
This is where the left claimed a black man was jogging and was lynched by three white men.
Travis and Gregory McMichael, as well as William, what do they call him?
What was his name?
William Bryan, I think his name was.
I could be getting his name wrong.
In both of these stories, people who are completely uninvolved, I should say figuratively uninvolved, I don't know.
You're in the UK, obviously.
Do you guys have similarities to that?
Obviously, I think there are some.
But how did we, or how do you think we in the United States got to this point where you literally have a felony burglary suspect who attacked people be the victim?
carl benjamin
So in the United Kingdom, we don't have anything quite this similar.
And this is a product of the American unique narrative surrounding slavery.
And the historic wrong that was done to the black community that was trying to, they tried to pay some sort of restitution for with the Civil Rights Act.
And the issue is that there were two narratives in the Civil Rights Act, the liberal narrative and the separatist narrative, which is predominantly a Marxist one.
It frankly failed.
It was the liberal narrative of integration and the sort of liberal view of equality that predominated.
But there are many segments of the black community that just simply don't agree with this and actually don't want to collectively forgive white people and nurture the grievance because it has an advantage for them in daily life.
And this is what white guilt is.
It is the perennially sort of liberal perspective that the blacks...
aren't equals to the whites because all of this is predicated on the idea that the black community is in some way in a kind of socially inferior rank to the white community and it doesn't matter what any individual black person achieves by their status of being black in the liberal mind and I really don't think MAGA holds this opinion at all actually but in the democrat mind They view them as congenitally inferior.
And if they don't pander to the worst aspects of this community, then they have in some way done something wrong themselves.
Whereas actually a sensible reading of this would suggest that the black community ought to be held to the same standards as the white community.
And this would have a morally improving effect on the black community.
Because I think...
And this is one of the difficult things for Americans to really tackle, I think, is I think the black community in America is kind of riddled with poor ethics.
There just is a real spate, a really, really, really difficult thing to talk about, which is that there's just a widespread acceptance of really, really bad behavior.
And it's not on.
You would think it would not be on, but the problem is the Democrats have turned these into kind of personal fiefdoms by simply doling out handouts.
They can just continue to essentially pay these people to forever vote Democrat, which means that the Democrats have control over the area and they have no interest in improving the ethics of that community.
In fact, it's to their advantage.
it's how they maintain their power over these communities by keeping them immiserated as they are i'm sure like the average black person has got no interest in reducing the number of police in their community and in fact when when you know you see the polling the average black person the average black community is like god no why the hell would you think about doing that but the activists the race grifters the race hustlers they know which side their bread is buttered on and they know how to maintain this for
tim pool
It's fascinating because if you go to your average Trump supporter and say, if you took...
You know, a random white guy and a random black guy and put them on the same job site like a construction facility, which one would do better?
The average response is going to be like, I have no idea.
What do you mean?
Like, how am I supposed to figure that out?
But predicated in the argument that we see from from wokeness and the left and these race ideologies is that, as you mentioned, congenitally inferior.
They call the right white supremacist because on the right is typically the idea that merit is what matters.
And most people think hard work and perseverance is going to bring you success.
On the left, we learned this from the Yale study, they intentionally reduce the verboseness, the degree of their vocabulary, to sound stupider.
And that's how they treat black people.
So it's funny because within them, their entire argument is predicated upon They believe they are socially and even as a race superior.
And people on the right largely are like, just work hard and stop committing crimes.
And everybody can succeed.
How does the Democrat...
I know you're a UK guy, but considering you've obviously been on the forefront of this space...
unidentified
I follow closely.
tim pool
You follow closely.
But I mean, back during the beginning of Gamergate, which I was reading this interesting thing that this was like the first time millennials had a major political moment.
That was largely ignored by the large political class, and now what emerged from Gamergate was this politics of wokeness, which has permeated the Democratic Party.
It has a major foothold that, you know, Stephen A. Smith says you've got to purge the extreme left.
How do you see that evolving politically for a party that's losing every category of race and class?
carl benjamin
I mean, if you were a Democrat strategist, purging the extreme left would be exactly what you would do.
The problem is, woke ideology is a product of Democrat liberal ideology.
It works within it, and it knows itself inside out, because actually it comes from the Marxists who lost the civil rights debate.
It actually comes out of this philosophy.
And so these people spent 30 years in academia.
Wondering, why did we lose the argument to the liberals on civil rights?
And so they spent a lot of time essentially manipulating definitions, expanding the definition of racism and merit and various other important keywords to mean the antonym, to mean the opposite.
And so we consider racism to be poor treatment, inequality of treatment, right?
And that, if we have an equal treatment of different people...
We will get unequal outcomes.
And we completely agree to this because, of course, if one person works hard and if the other person doesn't work hard, it is preposterous that they should end up in the same position to the average person, to a normal liberal-minded person.
But the Marxists say, well, we consider that to be a form of racism because the unequal outcome is not evenly distributed among the racial groups.
And honestly, the liberals are very weak to this.
The liberals, with their guilt complex...
are very weak to this argument.
And so a normal person, a MAGA type, might say, well, then they need to get to school.
They need to get to work.
They need to improve things.
If they want the same standard of living as other groups that they're comparing themselves to, they need to crack on and actually get those because there are no legal barriers preventing anything at this point.
And in fact, most social barriers, I think, have also been knocked down by and large in the United States.
And so the thing that's really holding them back is honestly...
It's the belief.
Because, I mean, you see this in black circles where they'll say things like, you're acting white.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
carl benjamin
If you get up, get on time, you know, wear a nice suit, do a hard day's work and get paid good money for it.
That's acting white.
And it's like, okay, in a way, you can see what they're saying.
As in, that's what most of the white community does.
But that then suggests that sort of...
Blackness is merely the antonym to whiteness.
And when the critical race theorists say, well, whiteness is hard work, being well-spoken, making sure you turn up on time, making sure that you file your taxes, making sure that you do things that are productive, that are the classic productive behaviours that in a capitalist system lead to wealth and success, then blackness is always left undefined but in opposition to whiteness.
If it's just the antonym of whiteness, then what that means is blackness is being criminal.
It is being lazy.
It is taking benefits.
It's all these things that don't live to a happy, prosperous life.
And the critical race theorists encourage the black community to try and embrace that.
Now, I don't think that's fair or good to do to anyone.
I wouldn't want some super intelligent people and a massively funded activist complex telling me that if I act like this other group...
And get the success this other group gets.
Then I'm somehow a race traitor.
I think that's really unhealthy and really damaging.
And a way, in fact, that they keep the black community in an inferior position by making it so that people in there just don't really feel they can get ahead.
And so why would they even try?
And I think that secures their power going forward.
tim pool
You know, what's funny is the way you're describing it, I can imagine this for literally any grievance-based group, right?
So, you know, during Occupy, you had the class-based.
It's the 1%.
They're holding us back.
If they weren't in power, it's this politics of envy.
I suppose maybe demagoguery, whatever you want to say, like this person is your enemy.
And it can be weaponized against anybody.
I suppose if you grow up in the United States in the black community, it's really easy to hear the history of the transatlantic slave trade and, you know, the history of Jim Crow and all this stuff.
Slavery, obviously.
And then say, these people are your enemy.
But if you live in a world where you constantly blame everyone else for the way you live, you're not going to succeed and break from it.
And I think the best example of this, not perfectly, but a really great example of defining this is how Native Americans have sort of weaponized the vices of Westerners against them with the launching of all of these casinos, making themselves wealthy.
Not every tribe, not everywhere, but with the beginning of—it was a seminal tribe in Florida, creating bingo halls, resulted in this wave of casinos all across the United States, where instead of being like, the white man is evil and is bad, they said, let's just sell them a product they want.
And they've made themselves, many different tribes, very wealthy off of this.
And actually, some of the coolest places to go ever.
So they've— You know, they've sort of created something great out of this negative circumstance.
For the Democratic Party, however, you've got AOC.
She's being heckled over Israel-Gaza.
I don't see, you know, they're saying she's the frontrunner right now.
I don't see how her or anyone else is going to be able to break out of this narrative moving into 2026-2028 because they're addicted to it.
So who do you think is going to be in front of this?
And do you think AOC's got it?
Or what do you see here?
carl benjamin
So you've got a bit of a problem because I saw just now, actually, Gavin Newsom had done an interview with the BBC where he was on the right of the Democrat Party arguing that actually we need to get rid of the woke stuff and get back to something akin to sort of Bill Clinton democratism, which might actually be something the electorate wants.
And to be honest with you, that's all Trump's selling as well.
Honestly, it's really obviously a popular position in the United States.
The problem is AOC, I don't think AOC can win because I think what she is essentially doing, selling, it is very popular with a very small slice of the electorate, right?
The Bernie Sanders wing of the Democrat Party.
And that's probably 20% of the entire American population or something like this, which...
It's a large number of people, but it's not nearly enough to get any kind of majority.
And the problem is, it's very much like Jeremy Corbyn over here.
There are a large number of people who are into it, but an even larger people who find it utterly repugnant and view it as a kind of civilizational chloroform.
They view it as communism, right?
They view it as communism and they don't want it.
And one of the problems that Jeremy Corbyn had here, which will be the same with AOC, is that...
When the activists are going door to door, they'll find people who say, look, I'm not even necessarily against your party, but this person, I don't trust them.
They come across like a communist.
I'm not having it.
So they'll have millions of people who are on their side, but they'll have tens of millions who are against them.
On that ground, I don't think she'll be able to win.
So if they were smart, they'd go for Gavin Newsom.
tim pool
I got to be honest, I think Newsom's terrible.
I think California's screwed.
But it would be a very big victory, culturally.
If Newsom does win a primary and basically the party rejects all of the cultural Marxist stuff or woke whatever, going back to a smarmy lizard person in human skin who's trying to sell you snake oil is much better than the woke cult stuff.
Kind of just jumping to an aside, going back to where we were before.
I'm curious your thoughts on the civil rights movement.
Do you think the Civil Rights Act created these circumstances?
And one thing that I've heard from a lot of people is that the inevitable result of the Civil Rights Act— I don't know if I would say it was strictly necessary, but I think it's probably very likely.
carl benjamin
And the issue is whenever...
So what the Civil Rights Act was, was a modification to the American social contract, right?
And whenever you have some sort of social contract like this, the problem is there are always a set of duties that come along with the rights, and none of the duties were imposed upon the black community out of guilt.
But you're going to have a series of things that you have to do to uphold your side of a contract.
The contract is always two ways.
And if that's missing, and in fact, it becomes an Achilles heel for the society, because the Democrats and the race grifters in the black community can weaponize this against the wider society.
Well, then it does become a sort of perpetual wound that can't heal.
And if nothing is expected of the community to which things are given...
Then that creates a certain kind of mindset in at least a portion of them that I think has metastasized and developed into the...
I mean, it's genuinely insane that it should be allowed and should be normal that huge amounts of people in the black community...
I'm just genuinely hateful towards whites.
That is insane and shouldn't be allowed to fester.
And it shouldn't be allowed to fester the other way either.
unidentified
Right.
I mean, what do you do though, right?
carl benjamin
Sorry?
tim pool
Like some people are racist, you know?
I know that the answer is, hey, you know, my view is largely much more liberal.
Like if I run a business in a public space, I'm not going to kick someone out.
I don't think you should be able to kick someone out for something they can't control.
carl benjamin
Well, let me...
So on this, right, the question goes a bit beyond social contractism.
It goes into the sort of sentimental nature of a society, right?
If America wants to be a racially integrated society, that's fine.
That's totally fine.
That's totally great.
And I can completely see why you would want this.
But that means that...
One side isn't allowed to nurture a long-standing racial grievance against the other, because that's the barrier against integration, whether that's the majority or the minority.
That's got to be the thing that's prohibited.
And for some reason, the left and the leading figures in the black community just don't prohibit that.
They, in fact, encourage it and make lots of money out of it.
And so, you know, you're undermining the project of racial integration entirely.
And I kind of noticed that when I was in the South, I've traveled around the South of America a bit recently, and I didn't feel any racial tension at all.
Whereas in the North, I don't know, man, it's just the thing's a bit more just tense.
I can't prove it or anything like that, but you know what I mean?
tim pool
I hear you.
You know what I see?
Going in the South, if you come across someone who is racist, they say it to you.
They wear it on their sleeve.
Let me explain.
There was a friend of ours.
He's Asian.
And he said he went to a bar.
And we're in Maryland, which was a union state, but it was a slave state.
And he said that some old fat white guy looked at him and said, he said something like, where in China are you from or something?
And he's Korean.
And so it's like, it's not that the guy's hatefully racist, but you can tell that he's got some kind of bias.
But he's not insulting you, deriding you.
He's just like, you're another, and I can tell.
And he made some comments that we all thought were funny, even my friend who's Korean.
Whereas in the North, they're all walking on eggshells, talking down to you.
And the funniest thing about my encounter with these woke people in, say, New York is they treat me like garbage when they assume I'm white.
And then when I counter by saying, actually, I'm mixed, they immediately apologize and start acting totally different.
And I'm just thinking to myself, There's no real interaction with these people.
They're not telling you what they really think.
They're just scared of being shunned.
So they're saying what they think they're supposed to say.
carl benjamin
Yeah, no, you're totally right.
And what's worse is that they have a racial hierarchy in their mind and they're judging you by it.
They're not judging you as Tim Pool.
They're not judging you as the individual that you are and the character of the man.
They've completely abandoned the MLK formulation here, right?
Oh, right.
He's not quite white.
Great.
I can treat him well.
It doesn't matter what your character is at this point.
And this is the entire problem with left-wing philosophy, I think.
And this is why I genuinely think that there's much fewer problems.
Just socially, with integration in the South and around the North.
And yet, you know, all I hear from the Northern Democrats is, oh, the South is racist.
It's like, okay, but they seem to actually have a handle on things.
And, I mean, whenever I've gone around the South of America, it's always felt totally chill.
Totally, totally chill.
Whereas North America, it feels tense, man.
tim pool
There was a bill in California, it was a referendum, that would remove the civil rights protections for college applications.
And government contracting.
The Constitution says you cannot discriminate on the basis of race.
So my progressive friends, and this is years ago, of course, so I unfortunately have lost contact with a lot of these people as things have gotten more intense.
But I remember talking to this woman.
She's really well-known in Hollywood, advocating for the removal of this protection.
And I asked her, I was like, honest question.
Do you believe that white people...
And she goes, Maybe.
carl benjamin
She could have gotten you on this and she would have said, no, we're white guilt Democrats.
We will give preference to minorities because we feel so bloody bad about what's happened.
tim pool
That is a good point, but if only they actually understood their positions.
That's the answer.
Nah, white people in California, it's all white guilt.
They'll give everything away.
carl benjamin
Well, no, seriously.
I think they are white supremacists.
I think they do genuinely believe that white people are superior.
And I do genuinely think that they will pander to minority communities on that basis, actually.
So she could have checkmated you on that.
tim pool
I think the point I was making was, you are correct.
I think if I was actually in a real debate with someone perhaps more learned on the issues like you, we both immediately understand that point.
My point was just to highlight her...
Her justification for this was rooted in this idea that all white people, except for her, are secretly racist white supremacists who are going to hold back minorities.
So we need to eliminate this constitutional amendment in California so that we can intentionally be racist against whites and then help minorities get into contracting in schools.
Of course, California voted against this measure.
We got like a minute left, and we'll try to make this quick.
One of the things about the civil rights movement...
That has come up a little bit from the left is when we ended segregation and they said you can't have separate bathrooms for black and white people, they're trying to argue that's the same thing for the sexes.
Civil rights movement says you can't have discrimination on the base of sex, so then how can you have a men's room and a women's room?
I'm curious how you would rebut that in about a minute if you can.
carl benjamin
Sure.
Well, that's a small, no small challenge.
But in a way, they're kind of correct, because the problem of the civil rights movement and the liberalism broadly is it assumes a universal, a historical human being.
And actually, we know that human beings are not a historical or universal.
They're actually particular and very, very different to one another.
And so actually, logically, it is.
Probably contained within the civil rights movement that there can't be men and women's bathrooms.
But that is really a failure of its time and honestly could be updated to be more reasonable.
You don't have to be committed to this.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, I think that argument's largely lost anyway.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
You know, Newsom's even saying it.
So it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
But Carl, I think your insight, I watched your video, it was very good.
And so that's why I was trying to, you know, I'm glad to be able to have you on.
Appreciate everything you do.
Thank you for joining us.
Where can people find you?
carl benjamin
Just go to LotusSeasons.com if you want more from us.
tim pool
Right on, buddy.
We'll love to have you back in the States whenever you can.
But for now, thanks for hanging out and I'll see you next time.
carl benjamin
As soon as I can, man.
Bye.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Take care.
All right, everybody.
That was...
Carl Benjamin!
Super grateful and excited for everything that Carl does.
Super grateful for, you know, back in the early days when he gave me an opportunity to produce a video for his channel, and now here I am having him on mine.
And he makes some really great points analyzing all this.
You know, he's a very liberal guy.
The OG classical liberal, now more post-liberal, because we're all starting to recognize we don't want people to be mistreated based on their race.
Or where they're from, but on the merits.
Like, I don't care what your religion is.
I care about how you function in our society.
If your religion is a backwards, awful religion, but you're not using it to cause harm to people, you keep it to yourself, that's fine.
But if you take, you know, religious beliefs and then start performing weird surgeries, sacrificing people, doing really awful things, killing people in the name of your God, like, all of these things I think are bad.
We want a society that is based on merit.
Instead, what's developed out of the left has been racism, sexism, all of the different phobias they claim, they are fomenting.
So my friends, we are going to throw it to Russell Brand, who I believe is gearing up right now.
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