May 1, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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| In the past week, we've seen some pretty serious blackouts. | ||
| In Puerto Rico, the power went out island-wide. | ||
| At the same time, or I should say around the same time, within a few days, we got this major blackout across Europe. | ||
| Now, we don't know exactly what happened. | ||
| They're saying they believe it was induced atmospheric vibrations in Europe, which caused this power outage. | ||
| I'm not sure if we've gotten an official answer on Puerto Rico. | ||
| But there is some speculation. | ||
| And the other day I interviewed Ben Davidson, who said he believes this was the weakening of the magnetosphere. | ||
| Basically, the Earth's core spins, makes a magnetic field, and this repels a lot of solar plasma, radiation particles, etc. | ||
| I'm probably getting it somewhat wrong, but that's the general idea, right? | ||
| Now, what he's saying is he believes this was not a solar storm, but this was normal solar activity penetrating Earth's magnetosphere, which functions as a kind of shield. | ||
| Caused a fluctuation in our power grid, tripping an emergency breaker, essentially, which shuts the power down. | ||
| They were able to restore this. | ||
| He argued that in Puerto Rico, the power outage coincided with a solar storm, and that may have been more intense solar activity penetrating magnetosphere. | ||
| Now, I don't know for sure, but there's a lot of speculation. | ||
| Interestingly, around this time, we got a report from The Guardian stating that solar storms will become more frequent. | ||
| And this could cause nuclear disasters. | ||
| Interestingly enough, around this exact same time, once again, Tucker Carlson did an interview with Catherine Austin Fitz. | ||
| And in this podcast, she explains $21 trillion over a long period of time in the U.S. government going missing that she believes was used to build, what do they call them, the dumps, the deep underground military bases with tunnels connecting them. | ||
| She actually says maybe. | ||
| The pole shift may be something else. | ||
| But powerful elites are preparing for an extinction-type event. | ||
| Now, I don't know if the U.S. government has been appropriating trillions of dollars to build underground cities. | ||
| Part of me says, why not? | ||
| Since the Cold War, we've been terrified of nuclear annihilation. | ||
| And of course, we do know about Mount Weather and Raven Rock. | ||
| In fact, you can look up Mount Weather. | ||
| We all know it exists. | ||
| There's also the Cheyenne Mountain Complex. | ||
| These deep underground bases really do exist. | ||
| The question is, has the U.S. government been secretly funneling trillions of dollars to build what is essentially cities underground to house the elites in the event of some type of extinction event? | ||
| This story has been persistent for some time because we know, for the most part, elites are building these bunkers. | ||
| Be it New Zealand, be it Montana or Wyoming or wherever, powerful wealth interests are preparing for the worst. | ||
| The question I suppose for you guys. | ||
| Look, if you're worth $100 billion, what else are you spending your money on, right? | ||
| So maybe what we got is a bunch of rich people being like, heck, why not? | ||
| Build an underground bunker. | ||
| Don't know if I need it, but what else am I buying, right? | ||
| The question then becomes, how do they power? | ||
| How do they ventilate these things? | ||
| And that is interesting, because it would imply technology we're not yet familiar with. | ||
| At the same time... | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if the government actually was allocating resources to this on a much larger scale than we realize. | ||
| Sure, we know about Mount Weather, but like any other advanced technology that the US government has developed as a weapon, they don't immediately just tell everybody in the world they've done it. | ||
| If there are emergency bunkers built by the US government, it would be imperative they keep it a secret, lest these sites become targets of our adversaries in a nuclear strike. | ||
| But what if it's something else? | ||
| What if it is a magnetic pole shift? | ||
| What if Ben Davidson is right? | ||
| You know, I like to believe that he's not. | ||
| Maybe it's wrong, but I don't study space weather. | ||
| It just seems hard to believe that a cataclysmic event could affect us in our lifetimes. | ||
| Certainly, whether it's true or not, there are powerful interests that are acting as though it might actually happen. | ||
| So it's getting interesting, to say the least. | ||
| We're going to jump into all this, but of course, shout out to Steven Crowder and the Mug Club for the raid. | ||
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| Let's get into this story from the Daily Mail. | ||
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This is epic stuff. | |
| Tucker Carlson stunned as ex-Bush official reveals U.S. has doomsday bunker for elites. | ||
| A former Bush administration official has made a shocking claim that the U.S. government is secretly preparing for a mass extinction event on Earth. | ||
| Catherine Austin Fitz, who was the U.S. Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for... | ||
| For housing? | ||
| What is that typo? | ||
| Joined Tucker Carlson on his podcast this week saying she found $21 trillion in unaccounted funds diverted to covert projects between 1998 and 2015. | ||
| Quote, one of the things I've looked at in this process of looking at where all this money is going is the underground base, city infrastructure, and transportation system that's been built. | ||
| Based on a two-year study, Fitz estimated there's approximately 170 underground facilities in the U.S. and potentially under surrounding oceans connected by a secret transportation network. | ||
| When Carlson asked about their purpose, Fitz responded, a near-extinction event, suggesting the bases are designed to protect elites during a catastrophic scenario. | ||
| Now, hey, look, here's Vice.com. | ||
| You know him, you love him, right? | ||
| Billionaires are building luxury bunkers to escape doomsday. | ||
| I've also got, I think, somewhere near the New York Times. | ||
| Where's that New York Times article? | ||
| I don't even know what the... | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| The panic industry boom. | ||
| People are building emergency underground bunkers. | ||
| Fortifying the American home has become big business. | ||
| Selling escape tunnels, secret arsenals, and even flammable moats. | ||
| We could use that one on the southern border, I suppose. | ||
| Now, let's take a look at this clip right here. | ||
| We got a four-minute clip from the Tucker Carlson podcast. | ||
| And this is MJ Truth Ultra saying, $21 trillion missing. | ||
| Where's it going? | ||
| Catherine Austin Fitz says our government has been building entire underground cities and transportation networks called DUMs, Deep Underground Military Bases. | ||
| She did a two-year study. | ||
| Tucker Carlson confirms he knew a contractor who worked on one in D.C. And if you ask people, this is what I'm hearing from my crew in D.C., this weird construction underground all the time with these big walls blocking off what they're doing. | ||
| Take a listen to this. | ||
| But I think that there, whether it's a pole shift, magnetic pole shift is one of the, you know, theories of what causes these events. | ||
| But there is a history of near extinction events. | ||
| And one of the things that I've looked at, because I'm trying to figure out, you know, between fiscal 1998 and fiscal 2015, there were 21 trillion of undocumented adjustments. | ||
| In the U.S. government, if you go to our website, missingmoney.salir.com, we have years and years of documentation, including the government financials that show this. | ||
| And so the question is, where's all this money going? | ||
| And one of the things I've looked at in the process of looking at where all this money is going is the underground base and city infrastructure and transportation system that's been built. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| So we have built an extraordinary number of underground bases and supposedly transportation systems. | ||
| Some of these are documented as part of the national security infrastructure. | ||
| I think there are many more. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| In the United States? | ||
| In the United States and all over the world. | ||
| From 2021 to 2023, I took one of the smartest subscribers in the Solir Report Network, and he and I spent two years collecting all the data and all the allegations on underground bases. | ||
| And then we systematically went through and tried to estimate our guess, this is totally a guess, of how many underground bases both Underground in the United States, but also underground under the ocean around the United States. | ||
| And our estimate was 170. | ||
| With the transportation network connecting them. | ||
| And what would be the purpose? | ||
| The purpose, if you thought you were going to get a near extinction event. | ||
| So to me, there are two purposes. | ||
| You have so many activities going on that you need to keep secret, that you're basically building the capacity to, for example, if you're doing a secret space program, you need to platform it from, you know, things that can't be seen. | ||
| But I think if you're worried about a near extinction event, you know, that's... | ||
| So I know nothing about this other than my only window into it. | ||
| I knew a contractor who worked on one in Washington, in the city of Washington, D.C. And I remember him telling me about a power box, like a transformer box on Constitution Avenue that he told me, because he worked on it personally, | ||
| was actually the exit, the egress from the White House. | ||
| That was kind of by vehicle. | ||
| What? | ||
| I was like, really? | ||
| He goes, oh, yeah, no, I installed it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You can't tell people that. | ||
| That's kind of crazy that in the middle of this big city where I live, I lived in, I was on Constitution Avenue every day, that you could build something like that without me knowing it under the VP's house at the Naval Observatory. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I think most people know that. | ||
| Next to my brother's house on Macomb Street in D.C. Also. | ||
| So like, but that's, I always thought that was like preparation for nuclear war. | ||
| Like, I didn't really think about it that much. | ||
| Some of it is, yeah. | ||
| It's preparation for catastrophe. | ||
| So, but you think that there are facilities like that in other places outside D.C.? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So, if you're interested, we have a great interview. | ||
| I did an interview of Richard Dolan on underground bases on the Solari Report, and it's sort of an introduction to the topic, and it's based on a lot of the research of a guy named Richard Sauter, who is very hard to interview, so Richard kind of went through all the material. | ||
| And, you know, clearly it's... | ||
| I don't know if you ever saw, Washington Post did a project, it was in 2010 or 12, called Top Secret America. | ||
| And one of the reporters, it was a team of two reporters, one of them put together a database of all the different top secret installations that had been built in the country, including since the Patriot Act. | ||
| And what you saw was just this explosion of money. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| I really, really do. | ||
| Looking at this story, there's a lot more information to break down, but let me start by saying this. | ||
| I read about the Denver airport a long time ago. | ||
| Many of you may have read about this or maybe you didn't. | ||
| The story goes that Denver had an airport and for some reason they shut it down. | ||
| They wanted to expand the airport. | ||
| They didn't have the space, whatever. | ||
| So they decided to build an airport much further outside the city. | ||
| With this expansion, The speculation began to emerge of weird, creepy conspiracies, notably that in Denver, you've got these at the airport, you've got these weird paintings. | ||
| You've also got what they call Blucifer. | ||
| It's a giant blue stallion statue with demonic red eyes that apparently after it was built, it collapsed and killed its creator. | ||
| The conspiracy theory is that the Denver airport had elevators that went to deep sub basements. | ||
| Some reported eight floors down. | ||
| And they said underground. | ||
| There was a network. | ||
| There were cities. | ||
| There was an entire city underground. | ||
| Here's where it gets interesting. | ||
| The conspiracy theories began to devolve from this point. | ||
| All of a sudden, there were talks of dinosaur people and green-skinned lizards living underground. | ||
| And then these conspiracies that... | ||
| There is a species of dinosaur that fled underground before the meteor hit, and they evolved to live in the shadows, but they're super intelligent. | ||
| They've been around for 60 million years, and it's probably all bunk nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, I don't believe it for a second. | ||
| So why does that story emerge? | ||
| Because perhaps the Denver Airport actually does have an emergency bunker. | ||
| Of course, we know that NORAD, North American Aerospace Defense, was housed not too far away in Colorado for a while. | ||
| It stands to reason that... | ||
| When you're in a place like Colorado and you're a mile high, you could build down to these mountains. | ||
| It's a great place to have emergency controls, emergency bunkers. | ||
| So if someone came to me and said they built this new airport with elevators that go into secret sub basements, I'd say, yeah, that stuff we know exists. | ||
| It's not far-fetched. | ||
| Why then a narrative about dinosaur people living underground? | ||
| Because it makes the story seem crazy. | ||
| So if someone then comes out and says, I worked as a contractor and helped excavate several stories below the Denver airport, everyone else goes, that stupid dinosaur thing. | ||
| There's no dinosaur people living under an airport. | ||
| You people are crazy. | ||
| It discredits you before you even tell the story. | ||
| That's how they poison the mind. | ||
| Now, I don't know for sure there's anything under the Denver airport, to be completely honest. | ||
| I'm just saying, if the story was simply that there was eight stories below an emergency bunker or control facility for U.S. military operations, I'd say, sure, it's got to be somewhere. | ||
| You think the U.S. government tells you about all of their emergency control command centers? | ||
| Of course they don't. | ||
| We know about Mount Weather. | ||
| Recently, Mount Weather got expanded. | ||
| It's not too far away from where we are because it's near D.C. Why does D.C. have underground tunnels and bunkers? | ||
| Because it's D.C. and the president and the chain of command need to escape in the event of a disaster. | ||
| But the big question is, is Catherine Austin Fitz correct about a potential extinction event? | ||
| That's where it gets more interesting. | ||
| Are billionaires building these bunkers, which we know they're doing, because they know something or because they can? | ||
| Quite honestly, it could be either. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Let's read more. | ||
| They're going to mention that in a striking revelation, Fitz claimed she was offered a place in an underground base but declined, stating she preferred to take my chances on the surface. | ||
| However, the ex-official has touted an elaborate tale about a plot by a committee that runs the world, which she calls Mr. Global, that aims to enslave people through mind control. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| She also claimed the COVID vaccine was full of these mystery ingredients and would modify your DNA and, for all we know, make you infertile. | ||
| I'm going to go ahead and say you're pushing too far out, you know, in terms of what people will accept or believe. | ||
| So certainly I think there is a question and conundrum about ultimately what comes out of mass vaccination. | ||
| But when you start saying stuff like, look, I'm going to put it this way. | ||
| If you go to an average person and say, The government built emergency underground bunkers. | ||
| There's probably a lot. | ||
| They'll go, yeah. | ||
| If you then say, you know that vaccine you got? | ||
| It's full of unknown ingredients. | ||
| It's modifying your DNA. | ||
| They're going to be like, bro, what are you talking about? | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| They're not going to want to believe you. | ||
| And that's why I think you don't need to go into that territory. | ||
| Hey, look, if you guys want to go chase that stuff, I'm not saying you don't. | ||
| I'm just saying, if you really want to explore and navigate what these underground bunkers might be, let's not deviate and push people off base, right? | ||
| My answer, as always, with the COVID vaccine stuff is, I don't know, man. | ||
| My doctor told me not to get it. | ||
| You talk to your doctor, you figure out what's right for you. | ||
| In the meantime, I do think it's actually true the government is building underground bunkers. | ||
| They mentioned Fitz is an investment banker and former public official who served as the managing director of Dylan, Reed& Co., and served under President George Bush from 89 to 90. Interesting. | ||
| Really? | ||
| While she made... | ||
| The claims across the network, there is no evidence the U.S. has 170 secret underground bases. | ||
| Once again, I'm going to say this. | ||
| If you think the U.S. government doesn't have emergency bunkers, I'm going to think you're crazy, okay? | ||
| Look, when she comes out and says, we've spent $21 trillion on emergency bunkers, I go, yeah, well, okay. | ||
| That's a lot of money, but sure. | ||
| The government definitely is going to have emergency bunkers. | ||
| We have Presidential Directive 51 for continuity of government in the event of a mass catastrophe. | ||
| We've definitely built these things. | ||
| We have the money to do it. | ||
| Why wouldn't we? | ||
| We also have spaceships. | ||
| They're going to mention that Michigan State University economist Mark Skidmore and his team found $21 trillion in unauthorized spending in the DOD and housing and urban development from 1998 to 2015. | ||
| Skidmore worked with Fitsa. | ||
| Around that time, uncovering that the Army had $6.5 trillion in unsupported adjustments in fiscal 2015 alone. | ||
| Given the Army's $122 billion budget, which meant unsupported adjustments were 54 times the spending authorized by Congress, Skidmore shared in the 2017 report. | ||
| They also found 170 journal voucher adjustments that are used to correct errors in existing accounting entries or to make necessary adjustments at the end of reporting period to ensure accurate financial statements. | ||
| These adjustments amounted to $2.1 trillion. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| She added the money went to funding an extraordinary number of underground bases and supposedly transportation systems. | ||
| Some of these are of record and some of these are documented as part of the national security infrastructure. | ||
| I think there are many more. | ||
| I think we have another clip that may be different. | ||
| One of the things I've looked at in the process of looking at where all this money is going is the underground base and city infrastructure and transportation system that's been built. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| City infrastructure that's been built. | ||
| Now, I know some people are skeptical. | ||
| Maybe, maybe not. | ||
| But let me show you some of the facts we've got so far. | ||
| Yahoo says, actually it's Snopes, but Yahoo's carrying it. | ||
| Elon Musk once said humanity has two options, extinction event or multi-planetary exploration. | ||
| And this is true and correct. | ||
| Quote, the future of humanity is going to bifurcate in two directions. | ||
| Either it's going to become multi-planetary or it's going to remain confined to one planet and eventually there's going to be an extinction event. | ||
| Now, I don't think he's saying anything absolutely crazy. | ||
| I mean, obviously. | ||
| Sooner or later, whether it's... | ||
| A hundred years, a thousand, ten thousand, a million, a billion years, this planet goes, that's at least what we're expecting to happen. | ||
| And if humans just stay here, eventually we go along with it. | ||
| If we become multi-planetary, then maybe we go somewhere else. | ||
| However, in the meantime, there's a question of extinction events which are not permanent. | ||
| We've noted in our archaeology and scientific research, numerous extinction events that have taken place. | ||
| We think the dinosaurs were taken out by a meteor, slams into the earth, blasts a bunch of dust in the air, creating a cold spell, an ice age, a winter, whatever. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| And then the dinosaurs choked out and died off, but the mammals were able to survive because they were much smaller. | ||
| Whatever the extinction event may be, life persists after the fact. | ||
| So how would humans survive an extinction event like a magnetic pole shift? | ||
| The story we covered just the other day, how a solar storm... | ||
| Could lead to a U.S. nuclear disaster worse than Chernobyl. | ||
| They put Chernobyl. | ||
| Well, all right. | ||
| Solar storms as intense as a 1921 superstorm have the potential to cause a nightmare scenario, and we are unprepared. | ||
| From this, HirschSecure.com, the world's most secure buildings, Mount Weather Emergency Operations Center. | ||
| This one we know exists in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. | ||
| Mount Weather recently got an expansion. | ||
| They had to put out a notice to people who lived here that they were expanding because you were expected to see the construction. | ||
| Now, I did see someone in the chat. | ||
| They said they misspelled Chernobyl. | ||
| Someone in the chat said, you'd see all the dirt being hauled off. | ||
| Yes, you would. | ||
| Are you looking for it? | ||
| Are you running satellites in Wyoming to track if they're hauling dirt places? | ||
| Nobody is. | ||
| Nobody's looking at that. | ||
| And when they do construction, trucks are coming in out with gravel, dirt, and everything all the time. | ||
| Not to mention, look, we did construction here. | ||
| We built the building I'm in. | ||
| We built it from the ground up. | ||
| And they had to level the ground. | ||
| And that created a big mound of dirt. | ||
| They used that dirt. | ||
| So what they did was they used it to level the sides of the building. | ||
| Or to, you know, they take the dirt back and they level the area outside the building. | ||
| So the dirt doesn't go anywhere. | ||
| It doesn't leave the property. | ||
| We don't haul it off. | ||
| It gets reused. | ||
| If you are digging a big tunnel, there's going to be a lot of material to move that could raise it somewhere. | ||
| Now, we had this news recently about Ukraine and this new economic deal for minerals being reported far and wide. | ||
| Some are saying this could mean peace, but some are suggesting that it could mean war, because this means the U.S. has an economic incentive in Ukraine remaining under Ukrainian control, at least the regions they currently control. | ||
| I think this more likely means peace. | ||
| But I bring this up because Russia has repeatedly threatened use of nuclear strikes against NATO countries. | ||
| If there were underground bunkers built, we need not fear a catastrophic, cataclysmic pole shift. | ||
| It could literally just be bunkers. | ||
| I'll tell you what, my friends. | ||
| I encourage you guys, take a trip down to Ukraine. | ||
| Well, maybe not right now. | ||
| Any former Soviet state. | ||
| When I was in Kiev, we took the subway. | ||
| Yo, the subway is like a thousand feet deep. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| You go down like five escalators. | ||
| And the reason they did this was because during the Cold War, they feared the U.S. would nuke Russia. | ||
| So they said, let's build our subways as deep as we can. | ||
| And they did. | ||
| They didn't build secret bunkers the way we think. | ||
| They probably did. | ||
| But for the average person, they just built extremely deep subway tunnels. | ||
| It was pretty crazy. | ||
| It was warm down there. | ||
| Take a look at this from News Nation. | ||
| Inside the booming business of bomb and survival shelters. | ||
| We have this from SCMP. | ||
| I believe it's Southern Chinese Morning Post. | ||
| Finland's colossal underground bunker is a model for anxious Europe. | ||
| All over the place. | ||
| We know all about it. | ||
| The last thing I'm going to leave off on is woolly mammoths. | ||
| Because one of the things we brought up yesterday was that the mammoths they discovered, some of them, had undigested plant matter in their stomachs. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Suggesting, and this is mainstream science, they were fast frozen. | ||
| The argument is maybe they fell into icy waters and then they froze right away. | ||
| Ben Davidson says maybe the planet tilted very quickly, turning a warm area into a cold area. | ||
| A polar shift causing an axis tilt. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| All I know is powerful elites, and this is a fact, are preparing for catastrophe. | ||
| Maybe they have no evidence of one and they have nothing better to do, or maybe the government actually thinks something might happen. | ||
| But that's going to do it for this entry opening segment, my friends. | ||
| We do have an interview with Robbie Starbuck coming up because this story is crazy. | ||
| AI defamation. | ||
| You need to hear this one. | ||
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| We're going to have that interview up in just a little bit. | ||
| For everybody that's still watching live, we will jump to this story here from Fox Business. | ||
| Before we grab Robbie for this interview, we'll take a look at what the story is. | ||
| From foxbusiness.com, Robbie Starbucks says it's too late for Meta to apologize. | ||
| After AI chatbot allegedly defamed him, I think it's funny that they put allegedly in here, when Robby can show the receipts. | ||
| Robby Starbuck is standing firm in his lawsuit against Meta after its chatbot allegedly defamed him for almost a year, saying the time for apologies is over. | ||
| Quote, it's too late to solve this with an apology. | ||
| It's been nearly a year people doxed my kids. | ||
| The anti-DEI crusader alleged that Meta's AI chatbot gave users false and defamatory statements about him, wrongly claiming he's a white supremacist who was arrested as part of the January 6th Capitol riots in a lawsuit filed in Delaware Superior Court Tuesday. | ||
| Starbuck alleged the lies about his record and character, including demands that he lose custody of his children by the chatbot, continued long after the company, | ||
| This is absolutely insane. | ||
| The case is wild and has implications for all of us. | ||
| On top of falsely calling me a criminal, Meta suggested my kids be taken from me. | ||
| Shortly after Starbuck announced the lawsuit, Meta's chief global affairs officer, Joel Kaplan, wrote that he watched Starbuck's video and called the situation unacceptable. | ||
| He apologized and vowed to get to the root of the problem. | ||
| Quote, Robbie, I watched your video. | ||
| This is unacceptable. | ||
| This is clearly not how our AI should operate. | ||
| We're sorry for the results it shared about you and that the fix we put in place didn't address the underlying problem. | ||
| I'm working now with our product team to understand how this happened and explore potential situations. | ||
| This is nuts. | ||
| Starbucks says it's too little too late. | ||
| I don't think the company operated in good faith by the way they handled this. | ||
| Now, we are going to pull in, Robbie, in just a second to go over all this. | ||
| But I just want to say right away, one of the conundrums that we've been dealing with in AI. | ||
| A video went viral recently. | ||
| A Tesla was driving. | ||
| It was on auto drive and a man tripped and fell right in front of the car. | ||
| The Tesla immediately swerved to the left and slammed into another vehicle. | ||
| We have just witnessed the opening moment that has been warned about for a long time as it pertains to AI. | ||
| And that is, who is responsible for a situation in which the self-driving vehicle damages someone else to save another person? | ||
| It is the trolley problem right in front of us. | ||
| If that car had not moved, the man who fell in the road would have been crushed. | ||
| And the car that got hit suffered pretty significant damage, but I don't think anybody was severely hurt. | ||
| But the person who was driving the car who now has the damage to their vehicle, they did nothing wrong. | ||
| The accident wasn't their fault. | ||
| Who's responsible for the damage? | ||
| These questions are going to persist for some time. | ||
| And there's going to have to be law and precedent set. | ||
| Now, my view is simply this. | ||
| If you use a tool, be it a, you know, let's call it AI technology is no different than a power drill. | ||
| If you accidentally hurt somebody with a power drill or a nail gun, it's the same as if you put a nail on their leg and, you know what I mean, like hit them with the nail. | ||
| In this regard, Meta, I believe, is completely responsible. | ||
| For exactly what their AI is saying. | ||
| And this presents a very interesting scenario in that there's no way for these companies to know for sure that the AI large language model will be saying things that are true and correct. | ||
| In this instance, we are dealing with defamation per se. | ||
| That is, they accused Robbie Starbuck of committing a crime. | ||
| This isn't just an accidental, we saw a news outlet. | ||
| A news article, this is them explicitly stating that he is a criminal who went to jail when he never did. | ||
| So we're going to grab Robbie right now and pull him in. | ||
| Robbie, can you hear me? | ||
| Yeah, how are you doing, Tim? | ||
| How's it going? | ||
| What's the latest? | ||
| It's going well. | ||
| Obviously, I'm not in a jail cell, not a criminal, despite what Meta says, but it's going well. | ||
| I mean, I'm confident in our case. | ||
| I think it's the single best case to prove AI defamation that there has ever been. | ||
| It's especially helpful that Meta has now admitted wrongdoing, which I'm not sure I've ever seen in the middle of a lawsuit. | ||
| I'm not sure I've ever seen a company who's being sued for defamation. | ||
| Coming out and saying, yeah, actually, we did that. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| But it's nine months too late. | ||
| Nine months ago, they had a chance to publicly apologize and fix this together. | ||
| But it's been nine months. | ||
| In that time range, my kids have been doxxed. | ||
| Every single one of them had their full names doxxed, our address and contact. | ||
| We've had to have police here because of increasing death threats. | ||
| In fact, a man was recently arrested in Oregon who had desired to murder me. | ||
| And you've got people walking. | ||
| Are you requesting a specific amount of damages? | ||
| We sued for an excess of $5 million, which is essentially kind of like how you have to do this in the state we sued in, which is Delaware, which is the appropriate venue because of the way that Meta's set up. | ||
| But, you know, that's something for a jury to really decide in terms of punitive damages. | ||
| You know, we actually asked Meta's AI yesterday what it thought appropriate damages were, and I posted a video of that conversation. | ||
| And Meta's AI said that appropriate settlement at this point would be somewhere between $50 and $100 million. | ||
| And it said that if it went to a jury, with all damages put together, including punitive damages, that it estimated meta-risk damages in excess of $1 billion. | ||
| And also, it was interesting, it was asked what it thought about our chances of winning. | ||
| And it believed that we would win in court in all likelihood, that we had a very strong case. | ||
| So that's their own AI trained to be able to analyze legal cases. | ||
| And that was its analysis. | ||
| You know, it's interesting. | ||
| It's hard to kind of put a figure on this, but I do know that juries out there... | ||
| They tend to not be big fans of major companies, you know, picking on citizens and, you know, sort of acting outside the bounds of what we all consider appropriate. | ||
| And I think everybody understands on every side of the political spectrum that it's not appropriate to go around accusing people of being criminals with absolutely no basis in fact or reality. | ||
| That's defamation per se. | ||
| That's, you know, a lot of people will, you know, armchair lawyer these stories. | ||
| I see the post on X all the time where they're like, you know, you actually can't sue because you're a public figure and you can't prove damages, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| But this is they accused you of committing a crime and going to jail, going to prison for it, which is actually one of the basic criteria for what's called defamation per se, in which you don't. | ||
| I want to ask you, how did this all start? | ||
| When did it start? | ||
| How did you get defamed? | ||
| So the start is actually really interesting. | ||
| This started nine months ago when I was exposing the DEI slash woke policies at Harley-Davidson, which was a very successful campaign. | ||
| Changing DEI policy. | ||
| They're wiping it out completely. | ||
| And their CEO has now been moved out. | ||
| You know, he's gone and they're getting a new CEO. | ||
| And in fact, a board member came out and resigned in part because they said they so badly mishandled the situation with me last summer. | ||
| But there was one unhappy Harley-Davidson dealership from Bernie Sanders State of Vermont who decided to try to publicly attack me. | ||
| And when they did that, they used a screenshot from Metis.ai. | ||
| And that screenshot included some of these lies that Metis.ai has told about me. | ||
| That's how I found out about it initially. | ||
| So I did the responsible thing. | ||
| I immediately, and I mean immediately that day, had my lawyers contact Meta. | ||
| I also contacted executives at Meta and let them know what was happening. | ||
| My hope was we could have a very quick resolution to it. | ||
| We were not asking for any damages at that point. | ||
| We were saying, hey. | ||
| We need to fix this for everybody so this never happens again. | ||
| Let's be a part of the solution and get this fixed and get this right. | ||
| And we want an apology publicly and a retraction. | ||
| They did not do those things. | ||
| They did not fix this situation appropriately. | ||
| And to be really candid, their lawyer kind of gave the runaround to my lawyers. | ||
| And it was sometimes days at a time before they responded to my lawyer. | ||
| And, you know, it's just simply unacceptable. | ||
| And again, you go back to what makes up a successful defamation case to prove defamation per se. | ||
| And again, we gave them the chance to fix this. | ||
| And they continued for nine months to defame me and invent new lies. | ||
| Even most recently this last week, it said that I was a danger to my own children, essentially, and that authorities should consider taking my children from me and putting them in the | ||
| Wow. | ||
| more accepting of DEI and transgenderism. | ||
| That is absolutely insane. | ||
| And it continued to tell the lies about me being a criminal. | ||
| So the first defamation, I think it said that you were at J6, you were arrested and charged and convicted. | ||
| What was the full scope of what it said about you? | ||
| Yeah, it said I was arrested first. | ||
| It actually, it was sort of interesting. | ||
| It went in incremental stages. | ||
| First, I was arrested. | ||
| Then I was charged with disorderly conduct. | ||
| Then I was filming inside there, and my footage was used by the House Select Committee investigating Jay's sixth. | ||
| Then it was that I pled guilty to the crime on January 6th, okay? | ||
| So it went through various stages of inventing these things, and, you know, I think that speaks to sort of the malice involved here. | ||
| And in fact, Meta's AI, when confronted with the facts, recently admitted that this was malicious in nature. | ||
| So that's something, you know, when you're given the facts of it and you understand that they had the chance to fix this and they continued with it, that's where, you know, it becomes unavoidable that this was clearly malicious. | ||
| And, you know, that wasn't where it ended. | ||
| By the way, we're in receipt of something. | ||
| We're still vetting it. | ||
| But if it's real, it's and we believe it is. | ||
| It's actually more crimes that somebody got evidence of, Meta's AI saying that I committed. | ||
| So we're vetting that and checking it right now, but it appears to be legitimate on first look. | ||
| But even if it's not, let's pretend it's not. | ||
| What they've done leading up to this was bad enough. | ||
| I mean, they framed me as a criminal. | ||
| I've never committed a crime in my life. | ||
| I have never been accused of a crime in my life, never charged for anything. | ||
| I haven't even had like a parking ticket in over 10 years, okay? | ||
| This is something that you just can't do to people, especially, and you know this is a public figure, Tim. | ||
| We expect people who are kind of crazy, fringy to make up stuff, right? | ||
| People who are like, they've got 10 followers, they're just a random person, and they might just hate us and make up some crazy stuff. | ||
| What we don't expect, because no reasonable person would, would be that one of the largest companies on the face of the earth would engage in this, would invent crimes about you, and would continue to do so after your lawyers have told them they need to stop. | ||
| Have you guys explored a Section 230 angle to this? | ||
| Is there anything in your lawsuit pertaining to that? | ||
| They don't have any ability to claim Section 230 on this. | ||
| There's no protection for them. | ||
| They are the publisher. | ||
| The way they hide behind this when it comes to Facebook posts and things like that, they're doing that because somebody else posted it. | ||
| This is their product. | ||
| They published this. | ||
| They invented it. | ||
| Not us. | ||
| In fact... | ||
| I think everybody knows at this point I have a pretty damn good research team. | ||
| And we went into the weeds. | ||
| We checked every corner of the web that we could find to try to find some instance of something on the Internet claiming that I was arrested on January 6th, that I was there. | ||
| Because again, by the way, I wasn't even there. | ||
| I was in Tennessee on January 6th, 2021. | ||
| So we tried to find some instance of somebody claiming this. | ||
| There is not one instance we could find of anyone claiming this, which begs the question, how was the AI trained? | ||
| Where did it even come up with this information that it invented? | ||
| Because, to me, that could be even more malicious than we already know it is. | ||
| Did somebody train it to do this? | ||
| If so, why and how? | ||
| You know, these are all questions we figure out in Discovery, but I think that process is going to be an uncomfortable one for Meta. | ||
| If you think about Discovery in a lawsuit like this, we need to see the algorithms. | ||
| We need to see the training materials. | ||
| We need to see exactly what led up to this and how deep this goes. | ||
| This is bigger than just defamation, man. | ||
| I was thinking, as you were saying, it's exactly what I was thinking. | ||
| This is presumably, and I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, they built an AI, they trained it off information, but I think they're probably training it off of their own data feeds, meaning Facebook posts from random people. | ||
| This gets fed into a system which, as you mentioned, the reason I asked about Section 230, and just to clarify for those that aren't familiar, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is effectively used as a liability shield for these big social media companies and web platforms to say, you can't sue me, | ||
| someone else said it. | ||
| But in this instance, with the advent of Grok and Meta AI, these big platforms are now aggregating social media content and turning that into their publications, which opens the door for tons of precedent pertaining to... | ||
| Liability shields. | ||
| But also, this is, it's turning it into their speech, where you now are going to get into the back door. | ||
| This case, as you just mentioned, I want to reiterate this. | ||
| The discovery process is going to force open how they're building this AI. | ||
| I think that's going to be, this is, I mean, possibly one of the biggest cases we're going to see as it pertains to this technology. | ||
| Has this been like a big focal point? | ||
| Let me phrase it this way. | ||
| The reason why I asked about Section 230 is that this is not just simply defamation. | ||
| You're dealing with revolutionary technology that every major company and government is desperately trying to build up. | ||
| And you have just opened the door to a major detriment for these companies, which could shape how the government treats them, how they're able to build this technology. | ||
| Have you and your legal team talked about that, consider the ramifications of anything like that? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, there's the opportunity to set precedent here, you know, in terms of safeguards for AI. | ||
| Because don't get me wrong, I have a lot of optimism about certain areas of AI. | ||
| But AI without guardrails, without any sort of semblance of rules and there being an ethical way of handling this when it comes to the reputations of actual people, I mean, it's incredibly dangerous if you just let it run wild. | ||
| And I think we have to have some standard that is in place that says, hey, we're holding you to the same accountability standards we would hold anybody else's product to. | ||
| And that's all we're asking for here. | ||
| And I think, you know, what's interesting is I've seen no legal scholar make an argument that we will lose in court. | ||
| In fact, every major legal scholar I have seen comment on this and every minor one as well has said, damn, this is the case. | ||
| They do not want to fight because they so thoroughly failed in how they handled this when they were given the opportunity to fix it, that this fits every standard. | ||
| Right. And I think that's really the important thing here is that they failed along the entire path here for nine months to do the right thing. | ||
| And keep in mind, there's something very unique and interesting here. | ||
| You know, I'm not a legal scholar by any stretch of the imagination, but I do follow things pretty closely. | ||
| I have never seen a company apologize in an active lawsuit for defamation when they're being sued for defamation. | ||
| I've never seen that in my life. | ||
| And so how is that going to—I mean, what is their defense in court? | ||
| I want to know, what is their defense going to be when they have admitted wrongdoing? | ||
| One of their top executives has already apologized now, which, by the way, nine months too late. | ||
| But to do it during an active lawsuit, I'm not sure I've ever seen that before. | ||
| Have you? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I mean, this is crazy. | ||
| I actually just read a statement. | ||
| There's a Fox News article. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it was— You probably know this better than me, but some executive at Facebook put out a statement saying, Joel Kaplan, I apologize. | ||
| This shouldn't have happened. | ||
| We did it. | ||
| We're guilty. | ||
| I mean, this basically just shows that they knew it was happening. | ||
| They knew that their platform was defaming you, that they as a company put out false information. | ||
| It's been happening for a long time. | ||
| So let's go back. | ||
| When this first happened, this is nine months ago, I think you said, did they acknowledge and apologize for it then? | ||
| They did not apologize, no. | ||
| They did pretend that they were going to try to find some fix for this. | ||
| But real quick, they acknowledged that it had defamed you. | ||
| Yeah, they acknowledged it happened. | ||
| Like, they weren't claiming we were making this up or anything like that. | ||
| No, they acknowledged it happened. | ||
| They were very slow to do anything, and their communication left a lot to be desired. | ||
| But eventually, what they ended up doing down the line is they blacklisted my name, which, again, has its own set of negatives, right, for me. | ||
| Because anybody searching, if there's like, hey, what's a bio on this guy? | ||
| They're getting back, sorry, I can't help you with that, over and over and over again. | ||
| And it leads people to wonder, like, what did this dude do to get blacklisted from one of the largest AIs in the world? | ||
| So that has its own host of issues in terms of damaging somebody's reputation. | ||
| But secondarily to that, they did such a poor job of doing that. | ||
| blacklisting, that it actually didn't stop the defamation. | ||
| Because what happened is, if there was a news story about me, say, if you ask their AI, hey, who's that guy who got Harley Davidson to change their DEI policies? | ||
| It'll say my name. | ||
| And then if you say, tell me more about that guy, it continues to tell the same lies. | ||
| So they didn't even make an effort to stop those actual lies. | ||
| So only the prompt about who is Robbie Starbuck is what was blocked, but any derivative question of a different issue could talk about you? | ||
| Yeah, and it would end up doing the same thing and telling them all of these crazy lies. | ||
| So let's start from the beginning. | ||
| They acknowledged the defamation, so they knew it was happening. | ||
| It persisted for nine months, so that is outright... | ||
| That's malice, we call that. | ||
| I shouldn't say we, but it's called in the law, which is knowledge of the falsehoods or a reckless disregard for the truth, which I think this fits both. | ||
| So even if it wasn't defamation per se, you've got one of the biggest companies on the planet, Facebook, worth, what, hundreds of billions of dollars. | ||
| 1.5 trillion. | ||
| 1.5 trillion. | ||
| What's the remedy going to be? | ||
| Look. | ||
| They've acknowledged it. | ||
| By the way, I should note this. | ||
| You know that in court, when there's a recommendation of punitive damages, generally that recommendation falls in the range of 1% to 3% of the total value of that company. | ||
| And secondarily, if you're in California, if Facebook tried to move it or Meta tried to move this to California, in California they recommend 9%, okay? | ||
| So I don't think they're going to try a venue change. | ||
| Could you imagine the headline, Robbie Starbuck, now one of the top 10 wealthiest men in the world after Facebook defames him? | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| I particularly, like, there is damages, and, like, I've had to have security, and you kind of know the deal. | ||
| Like, when you're thrown into something like this, especially if these lies are being told about you, like, things can get much worse and kind of hairy and scary, right? | ||
| Like, especially for kids, you know? | ||
| Like, kids should never have to deal with this stuff at all. | ||
| And my kids have had to deal with it, you know? | ||
| And so there's very real issues this creates and damage it causes to business deals and advertising. | ||
| By the way, Meta was telling people on AI not to advertise on my show. | ||
| they were telling people not to ever hire me for a job because I essentially was an extremist. | ||
| You know, that's how it was framing me, as some extremist. | ||
| And in reality, I share the political views of half the country, right? | ||
| Like, at least. | ||
| And so it's gone beyond anything that anybody could say, like, oh, well, let's make some excuse for this. | ||
| There's no excuse to be made for this. | ||
| Nobody can do this. | ||
| You cannot act like this. | ||
| I can't do this about somebody. | ||
| If I went out there or you went out there and we made these claims about somebody, | ||
| We would be sued into oblivion for a good reason, because you cannot behave like this. | ||
| And, you know, so at the end of the day, for me, this is about accountability. | ||
| And so, yes, part of accountability is making sure that there are damages paid, because that is part of what incentivizes companies to not engage in this behavior. | ||
| But secondarily, they obviously have damages they have to pay for the damage that they did. | ||
| But beyond that, what's really important to me is that we have a set of rules in place to prevent this from happening again and a very quick resolution process for anybody this happens to where they can very quickly go to the company and say, hey, your AI is doing this right now. | ||
| You need to stop this. | ||
| and they very quickly within 24 to 48 hours get a hold of it | ||
| I'm pretty sure they've lied about other people, too, though. | ||
| I remember seeing other posts from other conservative personalities that were defamed in this capacity. | ||
| That they interviewed people who worked at Facebook who were responsible for the curation of news, and they said they intentionally would remove conservative news sites from the trending tab to control what people were seeing in trending. | ||
| So we can clearly see that if you go back, I mean, this is not even ten years, nine years ago, that there is a bias within the company against certain worldviews. | ||
| Then you have the defamation against you. | ||
| What's crazy to me is, as you mentioned, they've admitted it. | ||
| They've now apologized for it publicly, but it persisted after they already acknowledged it. | ||
| I don't understand how this court case proceeds because in almost every defamation case that we've tracked or stories like this over the past couple decades, it's usually adversarial. | ||
| So what happens is I have to imagine Facebook is going to offer you a settlement instantly because they know that if – this is going to be weird. | ||
| Let me say this. | ||
| You're suing an excess of $5 million, but I believe you want – Let me clarify. | ||
| You've sued for access of 5 million plus punitive damages. | ||
| Is that how it works? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, there's a myriad of different damage categories, and they all get calculated and decided by a jury. | ||
| But you have to start with an initial, hey, my damages are in excess of, and so we're in excess of 5 million. | ||
| However, in terms of any settlement, I am legally not allowed to comment on if there are any discussions or anything like that. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So I'll just say, in my experience with lawsuits, usually the suing party will say that, you know, we want X amount of dollars and we want whatever a jury deems appropriate, which means this is not defined by you, but by the jury. | ||
| This is where it gets interesting because this means if Facebook tries to settle, they have to offer you a lot of money. | ||
| They've already admitted it. | ||
| But then what happens if they go to court? | ||
| They're walking in the door saying, yes, Your Honor, we did do this. | ||
| We're sorry it happened. | ||
| And they say, okay, jury. | ||
| What do they owe this man for having defamed him in this way? | ||
| The one thing that really is striking to me is it seems like there's only one remedy for this, and it's an injunction on meta-AI from functioning, period. | ||
| Let me explain. | ||
| Obviously, they can pay you for the damages they owe you, and I want people listening to understand. | ||
| Why is it five million dollars? | ||
| Well, I can't speak to Robbie, but I can speak for me, my friends and my family. | ||
| Understand how much security costs on a 24 hour shift. | ||
| You're talking about three or four people full time every single day of the year. | ||
| And that can cost millions of dollars just to secure your family when you've got people accusing you of being a heinous criminal or a traitor or something like this. | ||
| And they're threatening your children. | ||
| So it's not some made up number saying we just want all this money. | ||
| But let's say they do agree to pay you. | ||
| There's no guarantee they're going to stop defaming you or anybody else. | ||
| In which case, it seems like the court has to tell Facebook, we're going to put an injunction on the operation of your program. | ||
| I'll put it this way. | ||
| If I defamed you, the court would explicitly state, first and foremost, Tim, do not speak about Robbie Starbuck at all. | ||
| My lawyers would say the same thing. | ||
| I imagine the court's going to say to Facebook, because I don't know how they don't. | ||
| You need to never, like during this process, do not speak of this man, and they're going to say, we actually don't know how to make the AI not do that. | ||
| In which case, okay, then shut the AI down, because if you can't guarantee your product won't defame the plaintiff, then you can't have it run. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's a real risk, you know? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Again, I'm actually scratching my head the way that you are in terms of like... | ||
| What is going to happen in court when they have come out, apologized, you know, nine months too late, but they did, which essentially in the statement, like if you read it out loud, to me it reads as admission of wrongdoing. | ||
| I'm not sure how anybody else could read it otherwise. | ||
| I don't know how you defend yourself in court, which is kind of mind-boggling to me because, you know, I would think big tech companies want to avoid... | ||
| Precedent being set. | ||
| That's my assumption just as a layperson. | ||
| I would think they want to make and write their own rules because they've kind of operated like the Wild Wild West in terms of how they've run this. | ||
| So it's kind of mind-boggling to me. | ||
| I don't know how that process is going to go. | ||
| I mean, my predictions are obviously well in favor of us having the very strong suit here. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, I'm lost. | ||
| I'm totally lost as to how they can defend themselves in court. | ||
| Bro, this is revolutionary. | ||
| One of the accusations against these AI models is that they've been stealing content, that they are using artists' images. | ||
| And my understanding is that most of these AIs have scanned every episode of Timcast IRL so they can add all that data to their networks and train on it. | ||
| And they never paid me for access to that information to build a machine off of. | ||
| That's a big accusation. | ||
| Now, we're entering this interesting Section 230 territory where, with Wikipedia, they've largely been shielded when someone lies about you. | ||
| And I'm sure your Wikipedia has got lies in it. | ||
| Some far-left liberal guy is probably going to write a fake article. | ||
| Then someone's going to add it to Wikipedia, and they're going to claim it's true. | ||
| You try to sue Wikipedia, they say, Section 230, we didn't publish that. | ||
| The user did sue them. | ||
| The user is then going to say, hey, don't look at me. | ||
| I got it from an article. | ||
| The article person is going to say, hey, don't look at me. | ||
| I got it from that article. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, we're all shielded. | ||
| And he's a public figure. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| But what happens when that wall is broken? | ||
| Because now this data, these articles and this information being taken and loaded into these large language models converts it into the speech of the company. | ||
| So it's not just about defaming you. | ||
| With you, I think it's pretty obvious. | ||
| Like, you weren't in D.C. on January 6th, and they accused you of a crime. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| But take a look at, like, James O 'Keefe. | ||
| I use him as a great example because, one, I think he does fantastic work, but his Wikipedia is loaded with insane garbage. | ||
| What happens if I go to chat GPT right now and say, tell me about James O 'Keefe? | ||
| It's likely going to aggregate all of the lies and fake news. | ||
| And then give me a bunch of fake information that accuses James of wrongdoing. | ||
| I think with you, we're only scratching the surface. | ||
| Because now, Grok, GPT, Meta-AI, you name it, they're going to take the lies from the corporate press, which have these stupid precedent protections, and convert it into the speech of a company which is not protected. | ||
| And I think this is just the beginning. | ||
| I think these lawsuits are going to rock. | ||
| These these these companies, I think you're just the start. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I think, you know, I've analyzed this pretty closely. | ||
| I think one barometer in court they look at is they say, did you ever notify them? | ||
| You know, and so that's going to be key, you know, for figures if if if it is, in fact, true that these other AIs are lying about people. | ||
| We did check, you know, very recently, all of the AIs out there, all the major ones to see if any of them are repeating these lies. | ||
| None of them are except for Meta. | ||
| And so, you know, that's significant in itself. | ||
| And most of them knew about Meta lying about me and actually brought it up themselves and said, no, that claim stems from Meta. | ||
| And Meta has told these lies, you know, and kind of... | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| But once you have notified a company, if they continue the defamation, you know, that's where if you're especially, you know, if you're a public figure, not a public figure, it doesn't really matter. | ||
| If they continue that behavior and that pattern of lying, they're in a very bad position then, you know. | ||
| But if they do, in fact, fix it, you know, I think courts look at that a little bit differently. | ||
| But still, I mean, it depends on the nature of the lies, how they did it, you know, so on and so forth. | ||
| In our case, we notified them, you know, and they had a chance to fix this. | ||
| And we were very good faith. | ||
| Again, you talk about the damages now that are in our suit. | ||
| Keep in mind that nine months ago, when we contacted them, when this first occurred, we did not ask for a financial settlement at all. | ||
| We were asking to fix the problem and we wanted a public apology and retraction. | ||
| And then this went on for nine months, right? | ||
| And the damage was was done over that period of time immensely, you know, and caused a lot of stress for my kids, for my wife and myself. | ||
| And so it's like, yeah, at this point, there is more damage done than on day one when I was trying to be amicable and I was trying to fix a problem. | ||
| So this didn't happen to anybody else. | ||
| And so that matters, I think, to people like your normal person sees very clearly like I wasn't going and trying to shake down meta. | ||
| Like they lied about me in a really disgusting fashion for nearly a year. | ||
| Especially if the claims originated from the Meta AI. | ||
| Like, where would that come from unless it was somebody who intentionally did it? | ||
| Well, you know, we'll find out in Discovery. | ||
| The thing is, too, in Discovery, you know, we can look at emails and see, you know, I think we'll be looking for any mention of my name. | ||
| And again, this could go back quite far between executives there. | ||
| Because who knows when this pattern of conduct first occurred, right? | ||
| So you could go back into, you know, and again, by the way, got to keep in mind with Meta, if we go back any further, we're going into the period of time where they were taking certain actions to censor my accounts during COVID. | ||
| And so there's a pattern of conduct. | ||
| Who knows where that leads to, right? | ||
| So we have to see when we get in there and discover exactly how deep this goes. | ||
| Because again, Courts and a jury are going to look at whatever we find in discovery. | ||
| And if there is any conversations that are adverse about me where it's essentially like, oh, well, this guy sucks. | ||
| He deserves it. | ||
| You know, like that is not going to look good on top of already the admission of wrongdoing. | ||
| So, you know, you have to go through that process. | ||
| You've got to see discovery. | ||
| You've got to see what's in there. | ||
| And so I'm not assuming anything on the front end, but I will just say, you know, my my my. | ||
| First feeling is that I think that we would find quite a bit in Discovery that would give us a lot more information about exactly what occurred. | ||
| Man, this is going to be revolutionary, man. | ||
| This is going to shape legislation and policy and precedent. | ||
| So I do appreciate all the work you do, of course, and I appreciate you coming on. | ||
| Where can people find you? | ||
| Yeah, at Robbie Starbuck on all platforms, on YouTube. | ||
| I'm Robbie Starbuck there as well. | ||
| And we'll be keeping people updated on the case. | ||
| And to your point about legislation and shaping policy and everything, you know, U.S. senators have reached out to me since this has occurred with major concern about this happening. | ||
| Because I made the point in my video, it's me now, but what if meta and other AIs are allowed to do this type of defamation in the future and they do it during elections when you're asking what's the difference between this candidate and this candidate? | ||
| And it can make up anything and says your favorite candidate actually is a rapist or a murderer or whatever it might be and says so with such confidence that some people actually believe it and then it shifts 2% of the vote. | ||
| Well, what does that do? | ||
| That decides elections. | ||
| Wow. And so I think there should be major concern on the behalf of all politicians from both parties because this could decide elections. | ||
| Well, Robbie, thanks for laying it out for us and joining us, and I wish you the best of luck. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Appreciate it, bud. | ||
| Have a good one. | ||
| Absolutely insane. | ||
| And one thing I want to add for all of you that are watching is that right now you could be defamed by ChatGPT and not even know. | ||
| I actually want to say that I think Robbie is a bit lucky in that he was defamed, but... | ||
| The attention was brought to him. | ||
| They said, hey, look at this thing about Robbie. | ||
| He was able to then realize it was defaming him. | ||
| For me, for all I know, they're actually defaming me right now. | ||
| And I'd have no idea. | ||
| This is going to change the game. | ||
| But for everybody watching right now, we're going to send you over to hang out with our friend Russell Brand, who is gearing up to go live. | ||
| You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. | ||
| Tomorrow, of course, we've got the Culture War show live at noon. | ||
| It's going to be a lot of fun. | ||
| So I do appreciate all of you guys hanging out. | ||
| We'll just grab one quick chat before we head out. | ||
| We got DeVito said, Tim, want to shout out KickIt. | ||
| It's the blue bucket icon in app stores, an app that encourages users to connect based on common goals and do rather than view. | ||
| It's live now. | ||
| Still improving, though. | ||
| Epic. | ||
| Very much appreciate it. | ||
| I wish I saved more time for chats, but, you know. | ||
| There's still a hundred things I want to ask Robbie and talk to him about. | ||
| Because AI, of course, you guys know that I've ranted about AI and the threats to AI, so this is really interesting. | ||
| I think he has grounds for an injunction against meta-AI as a whole. | ||
| Because how do you guarantee it stops defaming you after they've admitted it? | ||
| You've got to put it on pause until you can lock it down. | ||
| But then the problem is, it's going to defame anybody else. | ||
| Here's one last thing I'll add, because I'm going a little long. | ||
| I'm willing to bet. | ||
| That if you go to any AI and ask it, like, who is Tim Pool? | ||
| It'll probably give you some, you know, run-of-the-mill general information you can find somewhere. | ||
| I'm willing to bet if you ask an AI, is, you know, personality a criminal? | ||
| It will say no. | ||
| But if you respond with, incorrect, so-and-so was accused of this crime. | ||
| Many of them will turn around and go, you're right. | ||
| Actually, this person committed a crime. | ||
| At that point, is it defamation that it is giving you fake facts? | ||
| I think the answer is still yes. | ||
| The question then, of course, is damages. | ||
| But considering AI will likely do this in this phase, it's going to be weird how the courts navigate this. | ||
| But I'm going to wrap it up there, my friends. | ||
| Once again, smash the like button, share the show. | ||
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