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April 17, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:04:03
The ESKRIDGE CONSPIRACY, 11 UFO Scientists MISSING, Trump Calls For INVESTIGATION

Tim Pool investigates the disappearance of 11 UFO scientists, including Amy Eskridge, debating whether this signals a government cover-up, foreign assassination, or recruitment for a new Manhattan Project. He critiques Elon Musk's Universal Basic Income proposal as a path to hyperinflation and centralized control akin to China's social credit system, while arguing that modern feminism's rejection of motherhood drives population decline, necessitating open borders. Pool further contends that fluoride calcifies pineal glands to block divine connection and asserts that left-wing governance is more oppressive than the Trump administration, concluding that open borders pose a greater threat to societal stability than gender role debates. [Automatically generated summary]

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ian crossland
17:55
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tate brown
07:16
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tim pool
01:13:51
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tony ortiz
12:34
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carter banks
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Speaker Time Text
Scientists Vanish in September 00:03:13
tim pool
Spotted over the military base where an Air Force scientist went missing.
And now, an update 11 scientists tied to space travel and future technologies have either gone missing or been killed.
With the latest news about a woman who allegedly took her own life, and she had been researching anti gravity, and she was fairly young.
Now, the Trump administration has addressed this.
They're going to look into it, we'll see.
And more GOP reps are coming out saying, The things I have seen will shock you.
That there's certain information that you might get classified that will make you a target.
Are they lying?
Are they all just pulling one big prank on us?
Or is there going to be some kind of, I don't know, is this the precursor to some greater revelation?
I don't know, man.
Maybe aliens are real.
Maybe it was lizards underground the whole time.
So that's going to be fun.
We're talking about that because there is breaking news, but it's Friday.
So I figured we'd have some fun with it.
Trump said the war is over again.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
It's like the fourth time the war has ended.
Iran says the strait is open.
Trump says we're going to keep the blockade for the time being.
We're going to take all their nuclear dust from them, which is not dust, but Trump's saying that because he keeps telling us he's blown up their uranium supplies.
So we'll get into all that news and break it down.
And then, oh boy, this will be fun.
Elon Musk says it's time for a high income UBI, which makes no sense.
But let's hear what Elon has to say.
And then we're going to round it out because I feel like it.
The feminists are all mad at me.
They're yelling at me because I said that there are men's jobs and there are women's jobs.
And I'm just going to give you a little spoiler.
Hilariously, this woman responds with Tim, you sit at a table and talk into a microphone.
You don't have calluses on your hand at all.
Actually, I've been playing the guitar for 30 years.
My hands are very calloused.
And more importantly, two thirds of podcasts are run by men.
Man's job.
Thanks for proving my point.
Before we get to the news, my friends, go to castbrew.com and buy coffee.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because coffee's amazing.
Yo, we got everything.
We got coffee pods, Appalachian Nights, Rise with Roberto Jr., we got a bunch of different flavor and signature coffees.
Look at that.
Mary Morgan's got one.
Josie, the redhead libertarians, got one.
Seamus has got one.
He's a leprechaun for some reason.
Phil's got one.
Two weeks till Christmas, even though I think it's been two years since.
And Ian's graphene dream, of course.
Head over to Casbrew.com and pick up coffee.
I got to be honest.
This is the best coffee you'll ever have.
No joke.
I mean it.
Stand your grounds.
Rice of Puro Jr., Appalachian Nights, Ian's Graphene Dream.
I have not had better coffee in my life.
I am being fully serious.
I actually formulated Appalachian Nights.
It's probably why I like it so much.
So, smash the like button.
Share the show with everyone you know.
Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Tony Ortiz.
tony ortiz
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
tony ortiz
I run Current Revolt.
We are like a TMZ for Texas news.
So, if you're a Texan, we are a must subscribe.
Like, you have to subscribe.
tim pool
If you're in Texas, So, like stories about women setting themselves on fire.
tony ortiz
Yeah, we broke that.
We broke that back in September, and it took mainstream media until like really last month to really fully cover it.
So, we broke it all the way back in September, and it's kind of funny.
Breaking News on Missing Techies 00:16:27
tony ortiz
There were so many.
I was being sent screenshots of conversations of mainstream journalists calling me fake news, and now they're the ones covering it.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
tim pool
Ian's hanging out.
ian crossland
Hey, man.
Good to see you guys.
We also got TB in the house.
Tate Brown, look at this.
tate brown
What is going on?
Tuberculosis.
All this is what TB means.
But in this case, it's me, Tate Brown.
carter banks
Good to have you.
Gonna have another fellow Texan.
Gonna have you, Tony.
Thank you.
ian crossland
I'm just gonna call you Big Brown from now on.
unidentified
Big Brown.
tate brown
Browning of America.
That'd be my podcast.
tim pool
Browning of America.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
Or Fresh Baked Brownies.
tony ortiz
My brown friend.
tim pool
We got a brown guy on the show.
unidentified
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
One brown guy.
tate brown
When you see me, you think, wow, that guy's clearly ethnic.
tim pool
Yeah, that's true.
carter banks
That's what I think.
tim pool
Shall we talk about news instead of whatever that was?
I want to talk about our.
unidentified
Yeah, tape.
Yeah, the news is.
tim pool
Okay, here's the New York Post.
String of missing or dead scientists.
Too coincidental, not.
To be major concern, Congressman says, as the 11th mystery emerges.
They said the death or disappearance of 11 top U.S. scientists and researchers is a matter of urgent national importance.
Rep. Eric Burleson said his office had already been eyeing some of the two coincidental disappearances a year before Trump told reporters Thursday he had ordered an investigation.
The lawmaker argued the fate of scientists almost certainly linked to the access some had to classified aerospace, defense, or UFO information and may involve bad actors from China, Russia, or Iran.
So check it out.
Amy Eskridge died from a self inflicted gunshot wound at her Alabama home in 2022, and she was researching anti gravity.
That's just crazy.
Some of the scientists literally just disappeared without a trace.
Okay, so wild story.
We actually have, check out this image.
Let me see if I actually can find a better version of it.
Links between the missing and dead officials.
So Frank Meywald, Carl Grillmare both worked at JPL.
Monica Jacinto Reza did as well.
She received funding from.
Air Force, was it Wright Patterson?
And oversaw the.
Okay, so this is.
Her project was overseen by William Neal McCasland, who also worked at Kirtland, which collaborated with Los Alamos, where Anthony Chavez and Melissa Cassius, and then you've got.
Oh, you've also got Michael David Hicks, dead, linked to JPL, worked on deflecting asteroids from Earth.
Theories.
Okay, I'm going to go this one.
I have seen.
Every movie where the great catastrophe is heading to Earth, so the government goes to round people up.
You know what I'm talking about, right?
The helicopter lands in the backyard, and the guy's out there with his kid.
ian crossland
Independence, we need you.
tim pool
Yeah, and they're like, Mr. Crossland, the president needs you.
What?
unidentified
Come with us.
tim pool
Or, what was it, Arrival with Amy Adams?
They show up and they're like, you have to come with us.
So here's what's happened.
Okay, let's start with the poles are about to shift, causing a great flood.
So they're rescuing top mines to bring them to deep underground bases in Appalachia.
ian crossland
I think literally that might be the case.
And if the other proves are going rogue or refusing, they're killing them.
tate brown
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, is that the new Project Hail Mary movie where they try to rope them in?
He says no.
So then they just inject them with a serum and knock them out.
tim pool
Oh, I haven't seen it.
Thanks for spoiling it.
I was going to go see it this weekend.
tate brown
Oh, that's just the old one.
tim pool
And when we just came out, you just spoiled them.
No, no, that's not spoiled.
Bleep that in Polish.
carter banks
No, no, that's not spoiled.
Bleep that in Polish.
ian crossland
Oh, we can bleep it, technically.
unidentified
We can bleep it.
tate brown
It's on the trailer.
tony ortiz
Why would they kill them, though?
Just because they don't want to.
tim pool
So, all joking aside, let's remove the actual tilt conspiracy.
People really love the story of the earth flipping and then the flood coming.
tony ortiz
Is that a real thing?
tim pool
I mean, I know it's happened, but I guess it's not a real thing.
Well, so the real theory, mainstream science, is that the poles are shifting.
We're experiencing an extended excursion from the North Pole into Siberia, where it's normally tilted over Canada.
So, we are also, I think, 100,000 years past the average cycle of when the poles normally flip.
The mainstream view is it's not going to happen, calm down.
If it does, the magnetosphere will weaken and will get blasted by solar radiation, which will fry all our electronics.
The Adam and Eve conspiracy theory is that every time this happens, it's actually 6,500 years, not 400 or 500,000.
The Earth will also rotate 90 degrees, causing water to flood around everything, sloshing about, and it'll wipe out most civilizations.
ian crossland
Which is interesting because carbon dating is not a lot of erosion and heat can make it look like time has passed.
So that makes it could make sense that 6,000 years looks like 40,000 in the fossil record.
tony ortiz
It looks like a giant server reset.
tim pool
Yeah, well, let's throw that all out.
I mean, it's a fun story and people really love it, but it wouldn't really make sense they'd kill people.
What does make more sense is that we're on the verge of World War III.
China's super pissed about what's going on in Iran.
Trump is saying the strait's going to be open, but we're still blockading Iranian ports, which means China's still going to be cut off from some of its energy access, though the fuel that it gets from the other Gulf states will be fine.
The problem is Qatar has stopped producing LNG, liquid natural gas, so China's still largely cut off and hurting economically.
If we are on the verge of a major war, Imagine the governments going to these people and saying, You need to come with us now and work on this base.
There's two theories.
One, the U.S. government rushed full speed to the missing scientists and said, You need to come with us now.
China, Russia, Iran, who knows, executed these assassinated these other scientists, taking out powerful elements of U.S. weapons development programs.
Or the military went to these people and said, You will join the new Manhattan Project.
And when these researchers said, I'm not going to be party to weapons of mass destruction, they went, Bang!
ian crossland
It's also possible that the Chinese took these scientists, they went rogue to other countries, and that the U.S. government found out some of these other scientists were working for the Chinese, so they killed them.
unidentified
Possible.
tim pool
That's true, too.
I mean, whoa.
Like, imagine these researchers were on the pay with the Thousand Talents program.
You guys know about that one?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There was that one professor who was caught taking money from China and selling off our IP, our intellectual property, from research we were funding.
What if, like, special agents, like guys in suits with, you know, silenced PP7, James Bond style, that goes to this lady and they're like, you've been revealing secrets, you know, you're a traitor.
tony ortiz
Wouldn't it be better to just arrest them?
If that's the case, wouldn't it be better just to arrest them and, like, send a message and be like, yeah, we're.
ian crossland
No, because then they can talk.
I think the best thing you could do is make a message to all the other scientists that might be on the pay.
tim pool
Well, but if that were true, that at least say one person was found to be a traitor and a spy or whatever.
tony ortiz
And kill the rest, maybe.
tim pool
Yeah, like, to make an example.
People need to know.
To be fair, however, with 11 dead or missing scientists, it's possible anybody breaking is getting the message.
That being said, hold on, sorry, Ian, I don't want to jump to disparaging the name of the dead or the missing because we have no information to believe these people have done anything wrong.
As far as we know, these people were working for the US government on projects of public importance and have died or gone missing in mysterious ways, indicating some kind of foul play.
So, I wonder if the US government is pulling the work for us or else.
But I don't see why they would kill him.
Honestly, if the US was willing to kill, they'd just kidnap, right?
Like the US government would go to one of these people and say, Your anti gravity research has to be done in our deep underground base from now on.
And when they go, No, they wouldn't kill him.
They'd say, You don't have a choice.
And they'd force him.
tony ortiz
Aren't they kind of already working for like US government adjacent?
tim pool
Not Black Ops.
Right.
So, you know what I love about these stories is that.
I was reading this one UFO story where an Air Force pilot said he saw strange objects flying over near, like, Western Florida.
And then the news article was like, the strange UFO sighting was witnessed, was about 70 miles away from an advanced weapons research facility run by the Navy.
And I'm like, what is this?
Why would you headline it UFO spotted and then mention at the bottom of the article near advanced weapons research for the Navy?
It was clearly advanced naval weapons.
What are you wasting my time for?
tate brown
I've also heard the argument, too, that no one is actually more directly incentivized for there to be.
Public fears over the UFOs than the United States government, specifically the military, because again, that's something they go to Congress with and say, hey, we need a budget increase like now.
So, actually, if you look at where the incentives would be, I don't know if I subscribe to the theory 100%, but in theory, the defense, the Department of War now, would be directly incentivized for there to be increased fears over UFOs.
And I think because they go to Congress and say, hey, we need our trillion dollar budget like now, or now they have it, but we need a trillion and a half dollar budget.
Like, hey, there's these potential China has these super weapons or potentially there's extraterrestrials.
Let's get some more money right now.
I mean, we see that all the time where government agencies stoke fears.
Like the postmaster comes out every year.
He's like, oh my gosh, we're going to have to increase stamps like 50%.
And then it's always over a budget shakedown.
tim pool
You know, I will say this I have to be a downer.
I'm going to be a downer, guys.
And, you know, I'm going to preface this with if instead of saying what I'm about to say, I instead said it's aliens, this proves it, we'd get more views.
But this may just be a bias where people die.
These people have died at different times.
Some people go missing.
People go hiking and fall off the trail, you know, onto a cliff all the time.
And so a lot of people have just speculated we're seeing patterns where there isn't one.
ian crossland
That could be happening too.
tim pool
I mean, there's tens of thousands of scientists, and here's 11, and we're like, oh.
ian crossland
I'm jazzed about the anti gravity because it's a real technology, like the Byfield Brown experiment.
These scientists, they'll work on it, and then it gets to the point where you're like, this is wrong.
tim pool
There's no anti gravity.
ian crossland
Byfield Brown, check out the thing that fade up.
unidentified
Ian.
ian crossland
It gets to the point where you're like, how ethical.
I talked with Ash and Ford.
tim pool
Be careful, Ian.
I'm going to say it one more time.
ian crossland
Exactly.
This is the thing be careful because, like, we're using the internet, we're speaking to the world.
unidentified
So.
ian crossland
You get to the point where how ethical is it to talk about the deep tech?
Like, you want to tell your military this stuff so that we can preserve the world together and establish American Republicanism.
tony ortiz
You're going to go missing tomorrow.
unidentified
Yeah, really.
ian crossland
Well, I want to help them.
So I would like to be a mouthpiece to, like, make, hey, you don't need to say everything you know on TV.
Some of this stuff, like the Manhattan Project, if we hadn't done it and they probably, people didn't know the scientists were working on it while they were, we would have lost World War II.
We could very well lose the world economic order if we don't have security.
tim pool
You know, I just want to part something out real quick.
Could you imagine being like, A black ops US government guy at an advanced research lab making these technologies.
And there's a bunch of really annoying people like Tom DeLong who won't stop bothering you.
And you're like sitting there and you're like, okay, the anti gravity should be coming online.
And it's like, bro, Tom DeLong's outside again.
He's looking in with binoculars like, oh, this guy won't stop.
tony ortiz
He's got it all wrong.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
It's completely wrong.
tony ortiz
You want to correct him, but you can't.
carter banks
He seems to be like a.
tim pool
You watch him on TV saying insane things and you're like, oh, gosh.
tony ortiz
I can't fact check him at all.
You make a burner Twitter account to like.
tim pool
Here's what happened.
The lady, one of these scientists is at a bar, and someone's like, I heard Tom DeLong talking about it, and he said it's aliens.
And she goes, I've been working on this for 15 years, and it's not a.
Oh, crap.
unidentified
Bang.
tate brown
Literally, yeah.
Well, Tim, you're saying earlier, like, kind of the confirmation bias.
I mean, we're seeing it right now in Austin, you know, where a lot of people have gone missing around Lake Travis.
tim pool
No, that's a serial killer.
tony ortiz
And people are like, Yeah, yeah, the majority of the people going missing are gay men.
tim pool
And they're thrown off a bridge, right?
tate brown
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
It's like, so people are saying, like, well, you know, it's Lake Travis, you know, people get swept away or whatever, but they're all gay.
tim pool
And thrown off a bridge.
ian crossland
Wait, not to make light of it, but you're saying the serial killer's gay?
tim pool
It's a gay serial killer or a guy who kills a serial killer?
carter banks
No, he's probably anti gay.
unidentified
Targets.
tony ortiz
Well, or, well, Is a gay guy and he, like, you know, he goes on a date with them or seduces them and then he kills them.
tim pool
But, like, the gay guy would want to have sex with them.
carter banks
That's how he gets them.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
I'll be like, there's plenty of cases or there's been plenty of movies or theories where, like, the gay guy feels guilt and, like, then he Jeffrey Dahmer is his gay guy.
Yeah, yeah, right, right.
Could be that.
tim pool
A lot of them are.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
What does that have to do with aliens?
tate brown
Directly ties in, actually.
ian crossland
Repressed sexuality.
Aliens just looking for a body.
tim pool
I just say something real quick.
I have to say something.
It's been eating at me a lot.
I know we're only a few minutes into the show, but.
Remember that video the other day where the gay guy had the baby begging for its mom?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That guy's last name is McAnally.
What?
tony ortiz
Oh, it's not a Jew.
No way.
unidentified
Is that a Jew?
tim pool
McAnally.
tony ortiz
What's that theory where your name kind of like.
tate brown
Yeah, his ancestors in Scotland.
unidentified
Wow.
tony ortiz
Swallow was.
unidentified
Swallow.
tony ortiz
Got in trouble for like, you know, diddling.
tate brown
It was Anthony Weiner.
unidentified
It was obvious.
tony ortiz
Anthony Weiner.
Like your name kind of.
tim pool
I heard there was a lawyer named Justin Case.
unidentified
There you go.
tate brown
There was that one mom from Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe.
tim pool
A lawyer named.
unidentified
What?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, I just wanted to mention that because I was talking about it earlier.
And when I pulled up the guy's Instagram, it's MCANALLY, like literally.
That's the word.
Analy?
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And I was like, is this a joke?
tate brown
It's like a horrible McDonald's thing.
tim pool
Guys, I think we live in a simulation.
You know what I mean?
I think, you know what I think it is?
I think the simulation was created to be an all.
It's like, instead of writing TV shows, there was just some dude and he was like, I got an idea for a business.
We'll create a bunch of data centers that run this AI universe.
And then we can just isolate points of interest, and that will be the show.
So, of course, like the headline show is Donald Trump.
And the people outside the simulation are just sitting there eating popcorn, watching all of Trump's antics, just like laughing.
ian crossland
I'm fascinated with the way plasma interacts with photons, because I think that really might be happening with they build like.
tony ortiz
I think about that casually.
I was thinking about that this morning.
tate brown
No, I was thinking that.
ian crossland
Their data centers are stars, and then they just use photons to communicate and transmit.
tate brown
Oh, you took the words out of my mouth.
carter banks
I mean, that's right.
I was thinking about that.
tim pool
And also graphene and hydrogen.
tate brown
You were saying something about that earlier.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
Yeah, it's always talking about the construct.
Anyway, my point is like, when you get a story, well, like, when I'm looking at this story and it's a gay guy holding a baby and it's like very abusive, it's very horrifying.
And then I'm like, here's his Instagram and his last name is McAnally.
I said, this is fake.
Yeah.
Like somebody faked this.
Like, this is like, this is not real.
Someone made a fake video to generate outrage, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, that's like the way the Japanese, when they have video games and it's like the baseball, they're just like, I'm Johnny Baseball.
And it's like, okay, a little too on the nose.
That's like a Japanese designing like a predator.
That's what they would name them.
tim pool
Well, it's like the other day where that story.
tate brown
J.K. Rowling character for a gay guy.
That's what she would call him.
tim pool
That's probably it.
tate brown
Johnny McAnally.
tim pool
What's Cho Chang?
Everybody was like, she named a Chinese character Cho Chang.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
She's like, I need a name for a gay guy, guys.
Come on.
McAnally.
unidentified
There you go.
Yeah.
True.
tim pool
Yeah, we had that story the other day where it was like Gavin Newsom provides taxpayer funding for sex changes for transgender illegal aliens.
And you were like, it's like a right wing headline generator.
tate brown
If you could shake up a box of Breitbart headlines, that's what would come out.
ian crossland
I asked my dad, I've been feeling kind of lost and spiritually lost.
And I asked him, What do I do?
His response is pray.
It works, it really works.
And if we're in a simulation and your thoughts really do impact your surroundings, like, It might have massive transcendence.
tim pool
There is only one thing that I need or want a good smash burger.
Just get me some pickles, some cheese.
ian crossland
I know.
tim pool
And I'm going to have one.
ian crossland
The human staying alive part of life is very different than the prayer.
tim pool
No, I'm going to pray for a cheeseburger and it's going to happen.
ian crossland
It will.
tim pool
My point is, I am going to ask and I shall receive.
tony ortiz
If really in a simulation is praying, like sending a note to the help desk, like, hey, I kind of need this.
tate brown
Yeah.
tony ortiz
I need you to drop this into the server.
tate brown
Well, what if?
tim pool
So, you know, I was driving.
In LA to go to my boy Robbie's house.
You guys know Robbie.
He's been out sometimes.
unidentified
Robbie Mann.
tim pool
Robbie Mann.
And okay, so this is Robbie.
Like him and Ian probably get along, right?
So I call him and I'm like, hey, I'm going to be at your house in like a few minutes.
Is there anywhere to park?
And he goes, in front, like see if you can find something.
I'm like, okay.
So I, and this is LA right next to the Grove.
And I pull up, no parking.
So I drive around the block, loop around another block.
There's no cars.
And I call him, like, bro, I've been driving 15 minutes.
There's no parking.
And he goes, well, manifest it, bro.
And I said, what?
And he goes, Bro, you got to manifest the spot.
And I said, What does that mean?
He's like, Bro, you have to manifest it.
Are We Ants in a Simulation 00:10:26
tim pool
Like, envision it happening and the parking spot will appear.
And I was like, Robbie, I can't magically make a parking spot.
What are you talking about?
He's like, No, that attitude.
And I ended up driving until someone moved.
And then I was like, This is what's funny.
I go to his door, he buzzes me in, and he's like, You got a space?
And I was like, Yeah, after like 20 minutes, he goes, You manifested it, bro.
And I was like, No, I drove around until someone moved.
And he's like, But you made that happen.
Oh my God, dude.
Sometimes people drive cars.
tate brown
Patriot manifestation is real.
Like, again, if you're like circling the block, no parking, you go, President Trump, Donald Trump, if you can hear me, please, Donald Trump.
And then next thing you know, boom.
tony ortiz
I do that with Costco.
When I go to Costco, I just always go to the front.
There's just, there's going to be a parking spot.
ian crossland
The philosophy of manifestation is if you believe it's real, then someone gets like an idea and they go move.
They're like, oh, I got to move my car.
And they'll go do it.
tate brown
And it's kind of like when someone yawns and you yawn.
It's like, oh, yeah.
tim pool
Did you see that experiment where they had people in like, Isolated closets, and then one person yawned, and then everyone started yawning.
Why does that happen?
Even though they couldn't see each other or hear each other, one person yawned, the next person yawned.
ian crossland
They were like, There's a lot of ways, like quantum tunneling.
How deep do you go?
Yeah, why is our.
tony ortiz
That's the one of the most acidic.
unidentified
That's the thing.
tony ortiz
If I see somebody yawn, even if it's on a TV show, I will yawn.
tim pool
What do you think?
unidentified
Dogs?
tate brown
I yawn when my dog yawns.
It's crazy.
Yeah, it's a thing.
It does with animals too.
tim pool
What do you think would be cooler?
The scientists are being assassinated by foreign adversaries, they're being recruited andor assassinated by the US government.
Or interdimensional beings are capturing and/or killing them.
tony ortiz
I have a phobia of aliens, like legitimate aliens freak me out.
Like, not the reptile ones from Aliens vs. Predator movies.
tim pool
Those are cool, those turn me on.
tony ortiz
They don't do that for me yet.
Oh, they're just so slim.
I'll manifest that.
Maybe it'll happen.
It's a lizard people.
But like the big eyed alien ones, like my hands sweat when I see them in movies and stuff.
unidentified
With the greys.
tony ortiz
The greys.
Yeah, like I freak out a little bit.
tim pool
Do you think there's probably people who have like a fetish for like lizard people?
tony ortiz
There's a fetish for fun.
carter banks
I'm sure there are.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
I'm just imagining how funny that would probably be.
Like we talked about Chris Venome's husband and like this bimbo stuff.
But that's just the stuff you find out about when someone leaks stuff.
I wonder if there's like some member of Congress who got elected just because they're like super into lizard people.
tony ortiz
Yeah, there's somebody out there praying that aliens are real because they want to have sex with them.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
He's like, dude, I just am really into energy beings, dude.
tim pool
How funny would that be if, as a member of Congress getting briefed on lizard people, they're real?
tony ortiz
Is there a word?
tim pool
And the guy's getting all sweaty and excited.
Is something wrong, Congressman?
unidentified
Are they green?
tim pool
It's like, is something wrong, Congressman?
He's like, show me more pictures.
unidentified
What does this feel like?
tim pool
Can I take these to review?
ian crossland
It's their dating app, Slither.
They're like, have you used Slither?
Slide into my DM.
tate brown
I got Slither Premium.
tim pool
I'm going to have to take this file for a quick review.
Well, but you can't leave the building.
I'll just go somewhere private.
Is that bathroom allowed?
Can I go in there?
ian crossland
I'll be in the bathroom for 10 minutes, nine of which I'll be asleep.
tony ortiz
What's y'all's theory?
Do you think the aliens are real?
tim pool
Of course.
ian crossland
I think they are, but it's not corporeal that we know.
They're like high frequency density consciousness.
tim pool
Well, that's true too, but they are physical aliens and higher forming.
ian crossland
So the likelihood is there's other aliens.
tony ortiz
Would you argue that's like the demon theory?
Like aliens are just demons?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Yeah, and angels, I think they control your thoughts and your body, they kind of move you with magnetic.
tony ortiz
It scares the crap out of you.
tim pool
Well, let me put it this way.
Like, there's an ant walking around, right?
He didn't see you.
That little ant can't even comprehend that you were there.
But what happens if you take a ruler and block its path?
It will stop, see the ruler, and then turn and run.
It doesn't comprehend that a human being has intervened in its life.
Right.
Imagine anything in your life where you're going about your business and all of a sudden something changes.
To you, it seems like nature.
We can't perceive the angels and the demons that are interfering or intervening the way we do for lesser entities.
tony ortiz
When my flight gets canceled, it's a freaking alien like messing with me.
unidentified
Every time.
tim pool
No, but sometimes.
So we talk about like manifesting things.
Imagine if.
So we can understand some simple things about, say, a dog or an ant.
Like, dogs, obviously, much higher than ants.
So, dogs understand you exist and you can do things.
I love this meme.
It's like, to a dog, humans are.
They live for the equivalent of, you know, several lifetimes.
They seemingly have magic powers, can fly, and, you know, can strike someone down from a distance.
We're basically elves to them, you know, the way elves are to humans in lore.
So, for a dog, We can still interact with them in a way that is beyond their comprehension.
They just know that we're capable of doing crazy things.
We don't have any equivalent to that.
But for an ant, the gap is so massive, they can even perceive our existence for the most part, comprehend what we are.
So, imagine what we understand about what ants want or do.
It's very simple.
They're going to grab food, they're going to bring it back, right?
So, what you can do, you can rip a little crumb off a piece of bread and put it down in front of that ant.
And that ant doesn't know anything other than a windfall has just appeared before me.
It has been granted a great boon for some reason.
And it runs up and it finds the food, gets all excited, and then it runs back and tells its buddies, and they come and they'll just drag it away.
Imagine winning the lottery.
Imagine something good happening to you, and you are just thinking, wow, a good thing just happened to me.
Right?
You don't even know why.
Could be an angel.
Now, hold on.
What about the little kid with the magnifying glass frying all the ants?
To the ants, they're like, oh God, a great catastrophe is just wiping us all and killing us.
Could be a demon.
So, what if the angels and demons, their motivations are rather simple?
Higher entities that are sometimes bored.
So, imagine this.
We understand the desire of an ant, right?
It wants food for the most part to bring back to its house.
We don't really care if it does or doesn't.
Sometimes it's funny.
Sometimes you give a little chocolate chip and you watch the ant, you're like, hey, look at him go.
Imagine you now praying and saying, I just really want.
To succeed and like have all this money, and there's a higher entity just being like, Here, I'm gonna put a million dollars right there.
unidentified
Look at him go!
tim pool
Oh, little guy, he's loving it.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
Yeah, the angel manifests the thing by twisting the subatomic time space, I think, and then matter comes out.
tim pool
You can rationalize however they did it.
I'm saying liken it to an angel.
My point is, it could be higher dimensional entities that view us like ants or bugs, and they're looking down, giggling, being like, This guy's trying to have a podcast.
Watch, I'm gonna create a podcast.
A time, a linear path of success.
Hey, look at that.
tate brown
That explains why the McRib just kind of spontaneously reappears in the minute.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
I played with you.
You know what the real reason is, right?
tate brown
Divine intervention.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
It's excess pork.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
Well, it's.
That's the human for an ant.
tim pool
It's a pork byproduct.
tate brown
That's, you know, ants have explanations like that.
tim pool
Cartilage, bone, and other garbage gets mashed into a million bits.
tony ortiz
Like a McRib.
unidentified
Right.
tate brown
You know, I wonder like that's because we're ants.
We don't understand.
It's actually a cosmic intervention saying now is the time the McRib can return.
ian crossland
I ask why do the spirits do this if they're doing this, which they seem to be like, why?
And maybe that question just.
Breaks down at that level.
There is no why.
I don't know.
Like you were saying, they're curious.
You think maybe they're just interested in changing things.
Maybe there's a bigger purpose.
Like they want us to create a galactic empire so that we can coexist.
tim pool
Have you watched Star Trek Next Generation?
ian crossland
I've seen them all.
Almost all of them, I think.
tim pool
So Q is a character in the show who is a higher dimensional being, can manipulate reality however he wants.
And the one thing I always did not like about the character, like, it's fine.
I love Star Trek.
It's just the presumption of Picard and the other characters is that Q is temperamental and erratic.
Whereas at no point did the characters actually just address, obviously, a higher intelligence with expansive knowledge is going to be beyond our perception, our conception of pettiness.
Thus, Q is acting irrationally and antagonistic for a reason.
And they just, they, they, they, they've, so in the show, the general idea is Q, like I said, he's all powerful, right?
He's some kind of weird entity.
And they presume he's just an annoying guy.
Yet that's like probably not.
The emotional spectrum we have relative to an ant is like near infinity.
ian crossland
If Q can see the future, he's like, maybe he punches a guy in the face.
The guy's like, why'd you hit me, Q?
And then like three days later, the guy gets attacked again and he's ready for it.
And Q's like, see, I was preparing you for it.
tim pool
And I think they do address that when Picard asks, like, why do you do these things?
And he's like, it's for a reason.
But they never have the exposition of the show for Picard or anybody to say the way he behaves is an intentional act.
Clearly, a being at that level would not need to behave in a petty way.
ian crossland
Dude, I wonder if there's angels and demons, if there's actually entities that want us to succeed and then entities that want us to fail, literally.
That doesn't make sense.
It wouldn't make sense.
unidentified
It does?
tim pool
I just explained it.
tony ortiz
Wouldn't that be an angel or a demon, though?
carter banks
I just explained it.
ian crossland
Why would a magnetic field try and repel you away from it?
tim pool
Why would someone kick an anthill over for no reason?
Hmm.
Why would someone put a pepperoni slice next to the anthill to watch the ants eat and the other person kick their anthill over and destroy it?
Why do some humans dump molten aluminum into anthills and then massacre the entire civilization and then lift the mold out of the ground?
That's research.
They don't care.
They don't think about the ants' lives or goals or anything like that.
They don't care.
ian crossland
Oh, so there's some of these spirits who are more interested in researching on us than us seeing us succeed.
They just want to throw us trouble and see if we can handle it and how we can.
tim pool
Well, there's a child who burns ants with a magnifying glass.
There are adults who see an anthill and kick it over.
There are adults who will intentionally rip a piece of bread off and drop it near the anthill.
The motivations are immaterial.
The guy who kicks the anthill doesn't later go, I feel bad.
I kicked an anthill.
He also doesn't go, Yeah, I got him.
He doesn't even think about it.
tony ortiz
But to them, it's a giant catastrophe.
tim pool
Yeah, it's their world ending.
Could you imagine if a skyscraper just exploded?
What if the World Trade Center, the reason that there's a real 9 11 conspiracy, is that just some interdimensional entity was like, boom, and knocked it over?
And then they were like, ah, and the government can't tell us because they imagine the government came out and said there are interdimensional beings that view us negligibly like ants and sometimes cause catastrophes.
tony ortiz
There's just an asshole that was bored.
tate brown
But those 80s was getting noobed.
ian crossland
Those anthill kickers will realize what they did is wrong if the ants strike back and teach them a lesson on what they've done.
Hearing the Inner Multiverse Voice 00:10:10
ian crossland
But if sometimes, every once in a while, you break the barrier and you can terrify the spirits, like you can control them, they're magnetically bound to your will.
tim pool
I think you're just wishing that to be something.
tony ortiz
The aliens scared the crap out of me.
It's like I get a lot of sleep paralysis.
Like, a lot.
carter banks
Oh, man.
tony ortiz
I get a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
And it.
tate brown
That explains why you're such a good journalist.
tony ortiz
Dude, I get a lot.
And it's gotten to the point, I get it so much now that I can wake my wife up to wake me up to like snap me out of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
But what's it called?
I remember the theory that like the alien abductions that people used to have, they used to say it was sleep paralysis.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Cause you're dreaming.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
And you're like locked in bed.
tony ortiz
Like, yeah.
I hallucinate.
Like recently, the one I had, there was like something behind me breathing on me.
Like, it was like a.
It was almost like a cat.
It wasn't my cat, but it was like making noise.
tim pool
Yeah, but bro, let me sense it.
unidentified
I hated it.
tim pool
Let me freak you out a little bit more.
unidentified
Oh, God.
tim pool
Do you believe in the multiverse?
tony ortiz
I think it's possible, yeah.
tim pool
If there is a multiverse, that would mean it is possible.
We don't dream, we view.
If every universe branches off from another possible universe and every probability creates a new universe, that would mean when you're having a weird dream, you're actually just peering into another reality.
So when you hear that breathing over your head, that's not just a dream, you are actually perceiving a universe where that is really occurring.
tony ortiz
So, like somewhere in another.
In my room, there's this like monster that's hanging out.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a different frequency of perception.
tim pool
And when you dream, you see these other realities and experience them.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, that's like.
ian crossland
That was the first thing I thought was DMT because when I have experienced DMT, there was like a stereoscopic realm three dimensionally and things were behind me.
So when you were saying something was behind you in your space, that's a.
In sleep, you release DMT.
I know.
tim pool
Or what if it's not that there's another dimension where there's a monster by your bed?
It's that you are perceiving another dimension where it's a wilderness with a monster walking through the woods.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
That's horrible.
I hate it.
ian crossland
But I think that's why we have imagination, too.
tim pool
You don't have an imagination.
You have the access to the overview of the multiverse.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And you do not put the pieces together to create new universes.
tim pool
Imagination implies in your mind, you are combining ideas to abstract new ideas or things.
unidentified
New food species, yeah.
tim pool
Like just new concepts, but they're not new.
If the multiverse exists, you're actually just seeing what is.
ian crossland
That might be true.
Like everything we think has already been thought.
I don't know, though.
tim pool
That's kind of weird.
Our brains are just tapped in.
To the multiverse, and we can, in our mind, close our eyes.
And here's the thing some people can see more than others.
How strong is your third eye?
Some people, when they close their eyes, you say, envision an apple, they can't do it.
tony ortiz
Yeah, like the people that don't have inner monologue.
Right.
I met somebody that told me they didn't have inner monologue, and I can't even comprehend not having it.
tim pool
It makes no sense.
How is it even possible?
tony ortiz
I don't know.
Cause, like, you know, like, I think, like, I'm in the shower, I'm thinking, I can hear my voice in my head talking, like, to, Thinking about things out loud.
And this person was like, no, I can't.
I literally cannot do that.
tim pool
Here's a question for you How many tracks do you have on your mind, though?
unidentified
What do you mean?
tim pool
You can hear yourself talking.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Can you also see things happening?
tony ortiz
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
Can you hear two things at once?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So when people say they have an inner monologue, that also is a limited, like we talked about this when we were in Austin, that the people who can envision the apple.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like when you envision an apple, do you see a three dimensional red apple rotating?
tony ortiz
And we're seeing it.
Some people can see different types of apples.
tim pool
I'll see it.
tony ortiz
Like in different, like quality.
unidentified
Right.
tony ortiz
Almost.
Like some people can only see like a 2D app.
tim pool
Let me pull this up.
tony ortiz
Yeah, that's a good chart.
Because like there's some people that can see like an apple and it's like, which you could at a base level, like call it high quality, like a 4K version of a high res.
High res.
tim pool
It's this.
tony ortiz
And there's some people that, yes, there you go.
tim pool
So here's the thing.
Number one, I would flip this around.
I would make the red apple five, four, three, two, and one.
The reason is there is actually something beyond seeing the apple in full 3D realistic.
So, what's interesting about this is that people, what is beyond being able to see an apple in full 3D realistic?
unidentified
Taste it.
ian crossland
You want to break it open and put it back.
tim pool
Simultaneously in your mind, slicing it in half, smelling it, picking it up, visualizing, taking a bite, and tasting it, all of the senses around it.
Or also visualizing the apple rotating in 360, then being split into 128 individual slices that each then rotate themselves.
Then you imagine the apple itself decaying.
You see beyond this.
And then there's beyond that.
And that is while you were envisioning the apple spinning, being sliced into 128 different slices while aging, you're also hearing someone explain what is currently going on while a song is playing in the background and you're planning for the rest of your day.
tony ortiz
And then you become the apple.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
For a moment, yes.
tim pool
And yes.
One step beyond that is you are the apple.
carter banks
Sometimes that keeps me up at night because that does happen to me.
tim pool
You're imagining you're an apple.
carter banks
If the same song loops over and over again and I can't shut it off, I'm also.
tim pool
That's not what I'm talking about.
carter banks
I know, but like.
tim pool
You're imagining that you're an apple on a table and you can't move and you're going, ah!
carter banks
Oh, not that much.
tony ortiz
What's the deal with people that can't do this or don't have internal monologue or inner monologue?
I think it's a big deal with it.
ian crossland
It's like a muscle memory.
No, that's what it is, right?
tate brown
They're just bots.
ian crossland
I've trained it.
tony ortiz
It's just people that are just.
tim pool
Well, let's talk mainstream.
The mainstream scientific view is that.
As a baby, your mind is developing neural pathways.
And if you do not get stimulation to develop it, you will never get that stimulation.
So there's studies showing a direct correlation between the age at which a child is being taught things and the capability they'll have later in life.
Easy way to explain it.
Do you play baseball?
tony ortiz
No, I did when I was growing up.
tim pool
If you started playing baseball right now, full time, will you ever be as good as anyone in Major League Baseball?
tony ortiz
Very likely not.
tim pool
It's zero.
It's not going to happen.
Basically, zero.
tony ortiz
I won't buy a motorcycle.
tim pool
So, the reason is in order to reach the highest potentiality, you have to be training for something from like zero and on to develop a.
It's not just about developing muscles to do something, it's about developing the muscular structures, the fast twitch muscles as you develop muscle memory.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's not just muscle memory, it's that your muscles must be built and designed from your whole life to be able to do something specific.
We do a bunch of general stuff.
Then, around like 12 or 13, people start to pick up a hobby or something.
You will never, if you start playing baseball at 13, you will never be as good as someone who started playing baseball when they were three.
ian crossland
Man, did you see Justin Bieber start on the drums when he's like two or four?
unidentified
Really?
ian crossland
Yeah, he's amazing.
tim pool
You do have to keep doing it, by the way.
But so, anyway, to the point here, the mainstream scientific view is people with no inner monologue or capabilities of visualization and audialization.
What is it?
Audialization?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Oralization, I think.
tim pool
A U R E. Oralization.
Did not have that stimulus as a child.
Another example is tone deafness, which is related to a child not hearing music for a long time as a baby.
ian crossland
Oh, I was surrounded by music.
My dad played guitar.
tim pool
This is wild.
I could not understand the concept of tone deafness.
I didn't believe it was a thing.
I thought it was a joke.
I thought the phrase tone deaf meant you were just bad at knowing pitch.
tony ortiz
Good music and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, not good music.
That it meant if.
So, I likened it to having bad pitch, meaning if you hear.
A tone, can you replicate it?
I thought tone deaf was basically saying you can't imitate different pitches.
But that's not what it is.
Tone deaf literally means people cannot hear.
carter banks
I have a great example of this.
tony ortiz
They're incapable of discerning.
ian crossland
Everybody hears the same sound differently.
We all hear it the way our brains have coded themselves to hear you.
tim pool
There's a tone deaf test, tone deafness test, where they will play two tones.
And then they'll ask you, and then they'll play two tones.
They test people doing that, and there are people who literally say it's all the same sound.
And they're like, you are tone down.
tony ortiz
Is this the same as people who like tasting food?
Like, they can't tell the difference between what is good food or what's not.
Like, what is, well, not good food.
I don't know about that.
But, like, or well, maybe I'm thinking differently.
There's plenty of people out there that, like, they're incapable of eating outside of a certain food that they're used to.
tim pool
Yeah, but come on, everybody loves orange chicken.
ian crossland
They say some tastes are acquired.
Like, acquired.
Yeah, there might be an acquired ability, sound, you know, the ability to hear tone, to discern tone.
tim pool
No, it's a developed ability.
When you're young, if you don't hear tone, your brain does not develop the ability to do this.
ian crossland
Yeah, but taste buds, if you get rid of garbage foods, you can taste a lot easier.
So, I don't know if you do that with sound, maybe, too.
tim pool
Let's go back to the point you were asking when I said the scientific view of it.
Let's do the spiritual view of it.
I actually think there's a possibility of this, that some people are more spiritually attuned, meaning whatever the Figurative third eye is that connects you to the infinity.
If you have a stronger third eye, you will conceptualize better, you will predict things better, you will be faster to think, you will hear thoughts.
Simply put, imagine if everybody has an antenna in their brain, some are weak and some are strong, and God is talking to you.
Those with very strong antennae are going to Seem smarter, but they just have a better connection to divinity.
ian crossland
And there's two parts to that.
There is the how strong is your antenna, but just like a radio, you might tune to 92.3 and get a radio station.
If you travel 10 miles, you no longer get the station because you're out of position.
So just like you want to tune your brain to be able to pick up God's frequency, you need to be in the right place.
But in reality, that means you need to be the right thing.
You need to change your body because that's position in reality is what you are.
So you change into the position that then you.
You hit the frequency and you hear it.
It's like fasting will put you in the right place.
The Conscious Logos Universe 00:10:42
tim pool
And then the conspiracy theory is they put fluoride in the water to calcify our pineal glands to restrict our ability to perceive divinity.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's like putting a Faraday cage over your radio.
tate brown
There could be a.
tony ortiz
I was going to say, I have a buddy who did ayahuasca.
He was atheist before he did it.
Is that how you pronounce it?
Ayahuasca?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
tony ortiz
He was atheist before he did it.
And he did ayahuasca and he actually, like, Reached out to me while he was in the middle of a trip.
I don't know what you call it.
Forgive me, I'm ignorant on this.
ian crossland
I don't know what ceremony.
tony ortiz
Yeah, he was in the middle of it, he was going through it, right?
And he, when he was done, he remembered he said he envisioned, he had several entities like came to him.
One looked like Gengar, which is kind of funny.
It's a funny bit.
But the other one was like, it was like his, I think a family member that had passed away had like approached him and was like telling him to do a bunch of stuff.
And he came to the conclusion it was all demons.
Like these were evil spirits.
And he came out of it, he became a Catholic.
And now he's like a very strong practicing Catholic.
And this dude's like incredibly smart.
He didn't become like, A weirdo or anything is like one of the smarter friends I actually have, but um, I don't remember what exactly the point was with this, but like the essentially, like he tuned into this thing, or he claims he tuned into this thing, and like, yeah, he saw all these entities and they were like trying to convince him to do different things and change his life.
He came to the conclusion they were all like evil beings, actually.
He actually saw like evil stuff, he didn't have a good experience, but he became a Catholic out of it, he became like very religious out of it.
tate brown
And you can, there's clearly like genetic predispositions to like certain types of religiosity too.
Like, if you look at the founding of the United States.
Where, if you look at like the Puritans, for example, they're like these hyper Calvinist types, but they have virtually they came from the same place in England, right?
They're English, ethnically English.
But then, if you looked back in England, all the Puritans left, came to America, and then all those Englishmen that were surrounding that area, right, in East Anglia and that sort of thing, had far lower levels of religiosity.
So, like, clearly, among certain tracts of people, there was an increase in religiosity.
unidentified
Go like this.
tim pool
Move your hand up a little bit more.
Move it closer to your head a little bit and push it forward.
It's not working.
ian crossland
High five.
tim pool
The All That Remains album took the focus away from you, so you're all blurry.
ian crossland
Oh, Phil Abanti's sticking it to you, even while he's not here.
tim pool
Move your head.
tony ortiz
Some alien.
unidentified
Hey, wait.
There you go.
tim pool
We got it.
tony ortiz
Some alien was bored and was like, we're going to move you out of focus.
ian crossland
Yeah, they're about to start a tour.
tate brown
There's a lot of like, this is like one of my pet issues, or not pet issues, like pet interests is like the different genetic predispositions to religiosity.
Because if you look at like Northern Europe, they were the last ones in on Christianity.
Like if you think about like the Nordic countries.
Last ones in on Christianity.
And they were the first ones out.
So the Reformation hits, it changes everything.
And then they were the first ones to just become widespread atheism.
So there's that kind of two things.
Is that just a purely cultural thing?
Or is it possible that that's just a genetic predetermination?
Because even a lot of the Nordic people who came to North America that settled in Canada, Minnesota, et cetera, they also have really high rates of atheism.
And so there is potentially just genetic predetermination.
tony ortiz
Or just our gender and roles in doing certain things we're all predisposed to.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Are atheists.
The worst people imaginable.
I'm just kidding, atheists.
That's why I look at the camera.
unidentified
You suck.
ian crossland
I'm not saying fuck you, atheists.
No, I'm just kidding.
No, atheists are, yeah, atheists are, I think, kind of silly because to claim that it doesn't exist, just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not really.
tim pool
My issue with atheism is that, you know, when I was a teenager, I claimed to be an atheist.
And the reason why is it's not about not believing in God, it's about rejecting narrative God.
And when you try to explain, so I think it's an issue of order of thinking, which goes back to we're talking about the apples in essence.
So, and then we'll talk about Zorhan Mamdani a second because the order of thinking thing is a huge issue in politics.
But when I was younger, I grew up Catholic and they talked about God, and it was presented to me like a cartoon character.
They would make us watch videos where God was a cartoon figure with like a big beard or whatever.
They showed me a video where Adam was riding a brontosaurus from Adam and Eve and like Adam's on a brontosaurus.
And so I said, this is insane.
This is not real.
So then I said, I'm an atheist because I don't believe in.
The specific cartoon character they showed me in school.
Then I read some books, learned about quantum physics and theology, and I said, Oh, God is real.
But God isn't the cartoon character that they're trying to portray him to be.
He is something beyond.
I think Michael Knoll says it well when he says, God is the logos of the universe.
So, what I find typically when I talk to atheists is that their perception of what God is is a guy in a robe who lives in the clouds.
When you try to explain the concept of infinity itself, you run into an issue with orders of thinking where some people genuinely can't conceive of what infinity actually means.
People think infinity is a number, it is not a number.
It's substantially more than that.
And if you go to someone and you ask them what infinity means, they'll be like a number that never ends.
That's low ordered thinking.
It doesn't mean they're stupid.
You'd say, yes, but the true concept of infinity beyond that.
And they might say, I don't know.
Maybe they just need to be educated so they can learn and expand their minds, or maybe they're limited and they can never really understand.
I think there's a reason why you see, I would put it this way low IQ people who believe in God just do so because they can't see, they can't.
Understand cause and effect.
They just, there's a God.
It must be.
Midwit individuals start looking around for evidence and then say, if I see evidence of X, then I demand evidence of Y.
And if there is no evidence of God that I can perceive in this reality, God must not exist.
That's low ordered thinking.
At the highest levels, you look at it like a Sudoku puzzle and you say, you know, everything kind of adds up to there is a God.
But if God offends your modern sensibilities, just say infinity.
All is one.
There is a greater.
There is something that makes all.
Cyclical is a limitation on the all.
ian crossland
Cyclical function is how I see infinity.
I mean, obviously, it never ends.
It's just the function of the cycle.
And then it's kind of like what God is as well.
It just continues.
If it is the subatomic vortex, reversing entropy, it's just this.
But I don't know why.
tim pool
I'm going to give you a human microscopic image of infinity.
It's probably not what God is.
ian crossland
That's what God's doing is creating vortexes.
I think it's how it's communicating with us through black holes.
tim pool
This is learn about E8 Lie groups so you can start to graze over what infinity means.
And I think to most people, they just go, is it a tapestry?
Understanding infinity is beyond me.
But my point is, the degree to which you can understand what infinity represents will reflect in your order of thinking.
ian crossland
Yeah, I had started to have this vision in 2012 where I would visualize infinity.
I'd get fast, I'd be backing away from this flat plane, and it was like just a flat surface.
And I'd back away, and it would be getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
But as it was getting smaller and further away, it's getting bigger.
So I'm getting further away as it's getting bigger.
So it's not changing shape in my perception, but I know I'm getting further away and it's getting bigger.
At the same moment, and it like opens up something in my lower back brain just visualizing that, especially laying down and like kind of bending it up.
tony ortiz
I've seen this on some bedroom walls when I was younger and dating.
This just gives me PTSD from my dating years.
tim pool
This is a microscopic grain of sand in the Sahara Desert of what infinity could actually be.
And so, good luck, I guess.
ian crossland
It does feel cheap to say there is a god because I still don't know, but there's a god shaped hole in the Sudoku puzzle, whatever that means.
Like, there's some function that obviously.
Well, I guess it seems like.
tim pool
Ian, let me tell you something.
Are you a sentient being?
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
You think, therefore, you are?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, do you exist within the rules and confines of the universe?
ian crossland
Seem to, yeah.
tim pool
You do.
And so, consciousness is a component of that universe, correct?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, what is the difference between the conscious entity of you and electrons?
ian crossland
It's the complexity of it.
tim pool
You are both functions that exist within the laws and rules of this universe.
Your consciousness is a component connected to the logos of the universe.
ian crossland
You know, it's more about.
tim pool
It means the universe is conscious.
God is real.
We can go into a million different arguments and expanding this concept, but I would put it this way.
Another question Do you believe that the human consciousness is the end all be all of consciousness?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Of course not.
There's probably something much more expansive.
So I'll put it this way The presumption we can make is that our conscious entities are within the confines of existence in the universe, like any other chemical reaction or reality based phenomenon.
We know that things in the universe don't exist outside the universe, which means if you were to zoom out of the universe and view it in its totality like you would the Earth, consciousness is a percentage of existence.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
We also can presume we are not the highest form of consciousness.
That would be arrogant and silly, considering on Earth we see scales of consciousness.
It was once believed that animals were either sentient or they weren't.
And in Star Trek, a great example is that data says my cat is not sentient.
We don't, science doesn't view it that way anymore.
They now see it as degrees.
You view it as a gradient.
Some animals have more acute perception and understanding of reality than others, and we have the highest that we know of on this planet.
To presume that we are the end of that would be silly, considering we can map all these brains and see these functions.
So, stands to reason, consciousness is a component of reality.
If we look at fire as something simple and the sun as something greater, but similar in many ways, and they're kind of different, you can then scale things up and see that.
Consciousness as a concept could scale to the size of the universe.
Likely is true.
I think that scale and that pattern and these things point to the existence of the logos of the universe.
ian crossland
Honestly, if your body was compressed and heated enough in a deoxygenated chamber, you would turn into plasma and it would still be you, but you'd be in a hyper liquid fluid state of plasmatic gas and sentience.
The sentience wouldn't just disappear.
tim pool
I think it's fair to surmise astral consciousness exists.
That's not God.
That's just that there are higher forms of consciousness beyond ours.
Based on the function of the universe, I bet God is still pretty a rudimentary term.
ian crossland
Like, once we get deeper and deeper, we'll be like, oh, there's like layers of what is going on.
tim pool
See, again, like to go to atheists, they imagine when you say God, there's like a dude holding a book who's like in the clouds, being like, I'm going to watch you.
And then when you try to explain to them quantum physics, E8 Lie groups, when you try to explain like M theory and these things we think we know and are probably wrong, they go, I don't know.
ian crossland
So, do you guys meditate?
Do you guys meditate at all?
unidentified
Yeah.
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tim pool
In the shower, I guess, when the water's running, I'm thinking about all sorts of things.
carter banks
I do like riding the stationary bike and like doing other stuff.
I consider that meditation almost.
ian crossland
Because, like, if we're in a simulation and your mind is in massive control, like, that's meditation is the ultimate power because you can shut it down at will.
tate brown
Yeah, I pray.
Like, that's the amount of onslaught of demoralization porn that's on Twitter, well, just everywhere.
I mean, you need those moments of just.
tim pool
You got to pray that gay away, bro.
tate brown
It's real.
Yeah, it's so true.
Yeah, you absolutely need those moments just to like lock in and realize.
You know, it's not actually, I mean, it's dire, sure, but like you can only control what you can control in your immediate.
tim pool
Let's get super crazy and deep with it.
What if a thousand, two thousand years ago, everyone knew you could manifest things with your mind?
Praying was a real thing that people would do with tangible results before them.
Like you'd literally, you're out in the middle of the woods and you're like, I'm gonna need some food.
So you'd get on your knees, you'd put your hands together and say, please provide me with food.
And then all of a sudden, an animal would walk up to you and just die right on the spot.
And you'd be like, thank you.
What if that's the way it used to be?
To manifest things in reality through prayer was tied to the amount of people asking.
That is, if there's one guy in the middle of the woods and he says, Please save me, and then all of a sudden a rain.
Actually, let's do it this way.
I love that joke where the guy is in his house and there's a heavy rainstorm and a car pulls up, or the storm says, Flood warning, evacuate now.
And he prays, Dear Lord, please don't let me die in this flood.
Then he hears a knock on the door and there's a guy in a raincoat.
He's got a truck.
He goes, Quick, we got to get out of here.
We're evacuating.
The flood's coming.
And he says, No, no, my Lord will save me.
And the floodwaters rise, so he goes to the second floor and he says, Please, God, the flood's here, please don't let me die.
And then a boat pulls up to the window and he says, Quick, get in, the flood's getting worse.
And he goes, No, my God will save me.
The floodwaters rise and he climbs up onto his roof and he's begging, God, please don't let me die in this flood.
And then a helicopter flies over and they throw a rope down and they go, Get the rope, we're evacuating now.
And he goes, No, my Lord will save me.
Then the floodwaters rise, he drowns and dies.
Finds himself at the pearly gates and they walk him into heaven and he stands before God and he says, I don't understand, I was faithful.
I begged you to save me.
Why wouldn't you?
And he goes, I sent a car, a boat, and a helicopter, and you wouldn't take it.
ian crossland
Yeah, the prayers are answered in unexpected ways.
tim pool
Now, here's my point.
I love that because the implication is you can ask and you shall receive, right?
But what happens when you have 8 billion people and they're all asking for different things?
What happens?
You ever see Bruce Almighty when he's like, you know what?
I don't want to answer these prayers.
Yes to all.
And then everyone wins the lottery.
So, what happens when every single person is praying for the same thing?
It's not Possible for God to grant everybody what they want.
So, what if way back when, when populations were few and far between, were very sparse, it was easy to pray and receive.
As populations started to grow, they began to pray for conflicting things, which reduces the effectiveness of successful prayer.
ian crossland
They call it the spiritual war, maybe.
tim pool
You have one nation praying for food, the other nation praying for food, and the fish aren't going to.
There's only so much food.
So, then what happens is the powerful elites who know.
This is true.
Say, how do we restore the ability to pray and receive?
We have to eliminate the ability for people to connect with the divine.
So they lie to us, they trick us, they deceive us, or they poison us, they damage our bodies.
The conspiracy theory is that they put fluoride in the water so it calcifies your pineal gland, which you need to perceive divinity, and then your prayers don't work anymore.
People start becoming atheists and they give up on religion, but the powerful elites still can just say, I would like to have a billion dollars and.
Asking, she shall receive.
ian crossland
What you're focusing on is basically your prayer.
Even if you're looking at a wall and talking about the wall, you're praying for a wall.
So, TV is the way that the elites or radio are able to control your prayers by getting you to focus and think about what they put on the TV.
tim pool
And then, what happens if they eliminate 8 billion people and leave only a couple hundred million?
The strength of the individual prayer goes up.
carter banks
I kind of find how powerful elites might also be praying to something else other than God.
ian crossland
Well, what do you think they're praying for?
tony ortiz
Well, there was always, you know, there was always those theories that they were messing around with like demons and stuff.
Yeah.
Working with them to.
tim pool
How about this?
tony ortiz
Technology is just demons handing over stuff that way.
tim pool
Well, we talked about like the kid with the ants and the dude with the food.
Think about it like there's some pigeons, you know, and they're walking around.
And, or actually, Sue Crow is a better example, right?
There's the guy who built that crow vending machine.
What he did was he built a machine and he put a bunch of nuts on the tray and coins.
Crows would land on the tray and eat the nuts.
Instinctively, what crows do when they finish all the food is they sweep the ground looking for more.
What this did was the crows would knock the coins into the hole, which would make nuts fall down.
The crows quickly learned if I put coins in the hole, nuts come down.
He then scattered coins around the base of the machine.
The crows would hop down, grab a coin, jump up, drop it in the hole, nuts would come down.
Once all the coins were in the machine, the crows would fly around the neighborhood looking for coins, bringing them to the vending machine.
This guy got crows to start making money for him, selling them nuts.
The crows don't understand what they're doing or why.
So imagine the powerful elites as the crow.
They start acting in ways that demons like.
And so the demons give them benefits.
These things could be slaughtering children.
Other people start catering to the angels and to the divine, doing things that God and the angels like.
And they get rewards too.
What if we just perceive it as they're worshiping Malak and sacrificing babies to demons, but it could be as simple as they're providing some benefit to a demon for which he's rewarding them as if they were just some lowly animal?
ian crossland
Yeah, because a demon could answer your prayers just like an angel could.
It could vibrate reality to make the thing appear just like they have equal abilities.
They're just twisted in different ways.
tim pool
That proves it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I had some interesting thing I was going to bring up about it.
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tim pool
But you forgot?
ian crossland
What you were saying was so interesting.
I want to keep going down this road.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
I'll remember.
I've noticed, talk about manifestation.
If you ever think you forgot something, say out loud, I'll remember.
You tell your body that, your body believes you, and then relax, and the memory will come back.
tim pool
To be fair, I do think that, while I don't know that I believe like manifesting is a thing where you like sit there and ask and it happens, I will certainly say in my life, I've gotten what I've asked for.
Like, I don't know if you've experienced this.
ian crossland
I'm also asking prayer.
tony ortiz
To make these things happen, you've got to put yourself in a situation for them to happen.
You're never going to win the lottery if you don't play a lottery.
Oh, yeah, you've got to be ready.
You know, you're never going to find a partner if you're not out there, like, you know, If you haven't won the lottery, you're just going to keep going and going and going and going.
tim pool
You know why college students never won the lottery?
Too smart to play.
ian crossland
That's funny.
unidentified
Fools.
ian crossland
Too dumb to lose.
I was thinking about mass prayer while you were talking because you were talking about the more people that I tried in 2007, early days of YouTube.
I was like, what if we all got on Stick'em?
Stick'em.com.
You guys remember that website?
Yeah, exactly.
And we did a mass prayer, me and Katie's opinion, Katie saw.
And we could only get 1,900 people in there before the whole system crashed.
But I think servers are better now.
You could get 10,000, 30,000 people together to have a unified prayer in a moment.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
ian crossland
Dude, I don't know if humanity's ever done that yet.
If we did that effectively, let's schedule that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah.
It's on a calendar.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
We something.
ian crossland
I think the servers can handle a million.
I don't know what they can handle now.
Candace Owens had like 400,000.
I don't know how many hundred.
carter banks
What was the other cases that Trump had with Elon that one time?
unidentified
250.
tim pool
Well, X. Here's another thing to consider, though.
ian crossland
It's a little misleading because if you leave the video, it still says there's a watcher.
tim pool
Here's something to consider with that internet theory.
What if views have always been fake?
What if it has always been the case that when you look at a video with a publicly displayed view count, it was never real?
So, when you look at podcasts on Spotify, Apple, these other networks, Podcorn is one of them.
You can't see the numbers.
They never release how many people actually listen to those episodes.
But on YouTube, the video will show you a number.
Why did they need that to be there?
Honest question.
tony ortiz
Well, I think if you're the provider, like if, and I love YouTube, but like if you're the YouTube, like you want people, the numbers there to perceive that people are using the platform as well.
tim pool
In which case, the number doesn't matter, or I should say, the viewership doesn't matter, the number matters.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So if YouTube is trying to say this is the kind of content that works, why would they ever show the real number?
They would show high numbers on content they want to exist.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Maybe.
With Mines, we were ethical about it.
tim pool
What was the point of showing the views publicly instead of on the back end?
ian crossland
So that people know what of their content's doing well.
tim pool
Exactly.
And so, my point is if you were the deep state and you saw that Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube were influencing people, it's real easy.
You'd go in and just be like, if it's in favor of what we want, make it get a lot of views.
And if it's not, make it get no views.
ian crossland
You think they were doing it since the beginning, basically?
tony ortiz
They do that now.
ian crossland
I mean, DARPA was like, they built the internet.
You know, it was deep state tech in the 60s or something.
So maybe, yeah, sorry to interrupt.
tony ortiz
No, no, no, no, you're 100%.
But like, they do this now, they artificially make trends.
You see this, what's it called when they kind of make a.
There's a word for it, I'm blanking.
They introduce like a celebrity and it's like a plant, like a.
tate brown
Celebrity plant.
tony ortiz
Yeah, celebrity plant.
tate brown
It's like this industry plant.
tony ortiz
Industry plant.
Yeah, you have this in politics too.
All of a sudden somebody pops out.
tate brown
Astroturf it.
tony ortiz
Yeah, and it's like this person has nothing interesting to say, but all of a sudden, like all their stuff's getting viewed and retweets.
tate brown
Yeah, that's why people bought views is because it creates the idea of consensus, right?
Like if there's consensus, or at least if the masses are sort of endorsing it by saying, yeah, I sat and watched it, that indicates that there must be something of value here.
When's the last time you watched a video that has like 30 views?
tony ortiz
You have, what's his name from Twitter is like cracking down on this where they want people to be, to disclose that they're being paid because you have a lot of these political influencers that are doing like, they're promoting policy positions or politicians and they're not disclosing like, oh, I'm being paid to say this.
tate brown
Yeah, literally.
unidentified
Right?
ian crossland
If we were going to pray for something, what would be the best thing to pray for?
tim pool
A million dollars.
ian crossland
For everybody?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
For you?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
We don't want to, I don't want to get 20,000 people to pray for you to get a million bucks, dude.
Do something more holistic.
Do like, do something more agape.
tate brown
Right.
ian crossland
Love of the community.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The issue is asking, you know, like all in all, with, you know, all of our metrics, we might get like 500 to 600,000 views in this episode.
Then with the clip, might get an additional 50 to 100.
Is that enough prayer to overcome 8.2 billion requests?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
I don't know how it works.
If it didn't, it's like the more, probably the more attuned their third eye is, the more powerful their prayer is.
carter banks
So you recruit really powerful people with a good third eye.
tony ortiz
But also, what could you pray for that wouldn't contradict or hurt somebody?
unidentified
Else, right?
tony ortiz
Like, for example, if you were to pray for all the oceans turned into drinkable water so that we always have drinkable water, well, then you ruin the ecosystem.
carter banks
Well, you destroy the earth.
unidentified
Right.
tony ortiz
You destroy the earth.
I'm just saying, like, this is a really rudimentary, like, basic example.
But, like, what could you pay?
What could everybody pray for that wouldn't have negative consequences?
unidentified
Right.
tate brown
Well, and you also have the thing at 11 11, when everyone's making a wish, that there's one guy out there saying, I pray that no one's wish comes true.
tim pool
Oh, God's basically, he's like chilling up there at his desk and he's like, okay, that's all 8.2 billion.
I got, oh, one left.
So we'll do yes to everybody.
And then one guy's like, I wish nobody got anything.
Okay, my job's done.
tate brown
Yeah, there's just one guy playing spoiler at this one.
There's just some dirt bag.
unidentified
Maybe.
tate brown
Or maybe he knows.
He goes like, if everyone got their wish, it would destroy the ocean.
So he's like, no, no wishes.
carter banks
He justifies it.
ian crossland
I think we unintentionally built a spoiler with electricity because it's so useful for getting food and these basic human monkey things, but it's messing up the third eye, like the frequency.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
Why is it messing it up?
tim pool
No, like, what do you say?
Like, you're making that up.
ian crossland
Well, I think the magnetic fields are interfering with our thoughts.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But, like, when you go out and you're talking about electricity for a little while, it's very different.
tony ortiz
Well, it's just the fluoride.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
In addition to fluoride, it might be having compounding effects.
tate brown
Well, calcification.
tim pool
Yeah, I was talking to Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich a few years ago, and they were explaining how when you take DMT, those things you see are demons.
tony ortiz
You think that you believe that?
tim pool
That they're demons?
tony ortiz
Do you subscribe to that theory?
tim pool
Well, I just depends on your definition of demon, I guess.
tony ortiz
You think they're evil?
tim pool
No, no.
Because that was what was argued to me, and I don't have any rationale for why they would be evil.
What they were saying is that they'll offer you a deal.
Which is information.
They'll tell you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, and how to get what you want if you agree to do it.
And I said, What's the downside?
And they're like, It's just the deal.
I'm like, What's wrong with taking information from entities?
And apparently, I guess the idea is that the things they want you to do that get you success are bad for humanity or it's good for demons.
But my attitude is like, I'm told by the corporate press to ignore Alex Jones because he's evil and he's a liar.
But then I go and I investigate.
It turns out he's actually.
An honest guy who's trying to just provide his perspective and help people break through the noise.
If I just believed what the machine told me, I would say, no, away with you, Alex Jones.
So maybe these entities are just.
tony ortiz
So you don't have that the concept of evil is subjective in that.
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
I'm saying that typically when you encounter an entity in the DMT realm, it doesn't mean they're evil.
tony ortiz
Well, I mean, if the entity, for example, and I'm just, this is, we're just playing around with here, but like if the entity, like in order for that to get that information, the exchange is, we want you to kill a child, we could argue that that is a bad deal.
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's a demon.
That's an evil thing.
unidentified
Right, right.
tim pool
But it doesn't mean that all entities are demons.
There might be an entity who'll be like, hey, Ian, I'm going to give you lottery numbers.
What do you want?
Nothing.
Just win the lottery.
ian crossland
Some of them will offer you things.
I think people have told me those are the demons.
Watch out for the ones that offer you things in exchange for something you want.
But the ones that want nothing, the ones that want for nothing, they're just there and present with you are very healing.
And if you ask them things, they'll tell you.
tate brown
Yeah, it's like buy iTunes gift cards and I will give you something.
tim pool
No, no, no, hold on.
It's a demon.
Why do I throw food out for the deer?
ian crossland
Oh, to feed them is the dumbest answer, but to make more of them so you can hunt them later.
tony ortiz
It probably also makes you feel good.
Like, oh, I did something good.
tim pool
And so maybe some entities are like, Ian, I'm going to help you out because you asked.
I don't need anything in return.
ian crossland
Yes, those I think are the angels.
If you want to separate or parse the gradient of evil to good, the ones that don't ask, it's kind of like humans too.
Like friends that aren't trying to get something out of you are real friends.
tim pool
What if an entity says something like, I love Lindor chocolate truffles?
If you give me a bag of those, I'll give you the stocks that are going to go up this week.
ian crossland
No, no, no.
That would be like a demonic trade.
unidentified
How is it demonic?
tim pool
It's like, bro, I just wanted some chocolate.
tate brown
That's like DoorDash, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know if it's true, but that's fine.
unidentified
Find DoorDash.
ian crossland
From what I think Michael Malice told me that, from people that have told me over the years, the ones that ask you and propose things to you are the demons.
Watch out for them.
Be more like.
tim pool
I got to be real.
If a demon came to me, imagine this purple little goat legged creature going, I'm going to give you the lottery numbers in exchange for a Hershey's chocolate bar.
unidentified
Mwah!
tim pool
I'd be like, okay.
unidentified
Sure.
tony ortiz
But we know they're not asking.
tim pool
How about I get you two of them?
tony ortiz
But if they have the ability to do these things, we know that they're not asking for that sort of basics.
tim pool
I think it's silly to assume.
tate brown
Well, yeah, we do business with characters like that all the time.
We make car salesmen.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
But at the beginning, they'll be like, give me a chocolate bar.
Then they'll be like, get me five chocolate bars.
Then they'll be like, get me your son's chocolate bars.
Then they'll be like, get me two.
tim pool
That's a you problem, though.
Listen, watch out for that.
If a guy comes to my house, knocks on the door, and he says, I've got a suitcase with a million dollars in it just for you, cash money on the spot.
Kill a baby.
I'd be like, no.
ian crossland
Sometimes they'll be like, I'll give you charisma if you eat a chocolate bar.
tony ortiz
There's a lot of people that would say yes.
Especially in.
tim pool
And that's on them.
tony ortiz
Especially if this demon could guarantee you're not going to get in trouble for it.
You just have to do it.
tim pool
This is my point.
This is my point with the demons thing.
ian crossland
You don't want to lose.
tim pool
If a guy came by and knocked on the door and said, I have a million dollars for you and I'm going to buy it in exchange for that mallet you have on your desk, I'd be like, deal.
It's like, oh, you did a deal with a demon.
I did a trade with a guy for a hammer.
ian crossland
I think they try to give you things that you don't want to lose.
And then they're like, now give me this to maintain it.
tim pool
You're not listening.
ian crossland
Well, if they give you items, I don't think they give you literal items.
tim pool
Slow down and stop.
You said those that ask for something are demons.
And my point is not all trades are evil.
unidentified
That's it.
Right.
ian crossland
And I don't know that those are demons, but people have told me the ones that ask for things are usually demons.
tim pool
Which doesn't make sense because not all trades are evil.
unidentified
Right?
ian crossland
Definitely not.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So they're not demons.
An angel might say, I will make your life better, but you must pledge to me.
And they say, What must I pledge?
Go to church on Sunday.
ian crossland
Well, they won't even do that.
Is that evil?
They won't do any of that unless you ask, and then they'll tell you.
But the demons may just pledge.
tim pool
My point is if an entity came to you and said, I will grant you a better life, you will get a better job, you will find a family.
You will have your own house, but you must pledge unto me that you will follow my commands.
ian crossland
I wouldn't do it.
tim pool
And then you say, What do you command of me?
Stop taking drugs, start going to church, clean yourself up.
Is that wrong?
Are those demons?
ian crossland
It sounds like a demon's.
tony ortiz
That's just Jordan Peterson.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, clean your room.
tim pool
You've got to clean your room if you want the lobster.
unidentified
You want the chocolate bar.
tate brown
It's like, well, perhaps it's time to clean the room, man.
That might be what goes on.
tim pool
See, I take issue with this because an angel would command you to clean your life up and go to church.
unidentified
I don't know.
tony ortiz
Which would also just naturally make your life better anyway.
tim pool
Exactly.
That's the point.
ian crossland
They don't really force you.
They're like present.
They're with you and will help you if you need it.
tim pool
But the idea that a demon comes to you and said, if you want to have a better life and a family, go to church and stop taking drugs.
Like, that's not a bad deal.
That's a good deal.
ian crossland
There might be neutral entities.
tony ortiz
But then you wouldn't label that as a demon, right?
tim pool
That's my point.
Like, if an angel came to you, like literally a divine entity, a gigantic wheel with full eyes and feathers or whatever, and it spoke from within your chest, telling you, stop doing drugs, start exercising, eat healthy.
That's not a bad deal.
ian crossland
But if it's like, and then all will be given to you, it's like, ooh, wait, what is this doing to me?
What is this trying to get me to want?
Because if you want from the spirits, that's a big problem.
tim pool
If you expect, then I think Ian's moral compass is broken.
ian crossland
Well, that's for sure, dude.
You know me pretty well, too.
I mean, I'm a weird one.
I'm more into like neutral energy than good and evil.
tim pool
If God commanded you to kill a baby, would you do it?
unidentified
No, no.
ian crossland
I would imagine it wasn't really God either.
tim pool
What if God wanted you to sacrifice your only son?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You wouldn't do it?
unidentified
No, no.
What about you?
tony ortiz
I don't know.
I'd have to think about that one.
I'd never thought about that.
carter banks
You know, that's in the probably.
tim pool
I know.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's literally making a reference to when God was like, you had to do it.
tony ortiz
If I would be able to confirm 100% it was God, like in a scenario, that's on fire yelling at you.
I think I'm tripping out.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
But they have like, they have technology where they can beam thoughts in your head.
So, like, literally, people will be like, God's commanding me to.
unidentified
Sure.
ian crossland
Don't do it.
Like, it's not God.
God doesn't tell you to do it.
tim pool
You know, it's funny.
It's like we laughed at that.
There is technology that can put a helmet on your head and they can blast you with so much magnetism, you feel the presence of God.
Isn't that crazy?
They did this experiment.
They put a helmet on people with like super high magnetism, just blasted their brains, and they all said they felt the presence of some powerful entity.
tate brown
I think they're doing that the sphere right now.
tony ortiz
Just listening to good music.
ian crossland
Maybe God does tell you to do something.
That's why they hijacked this pathway, is because they want to make you think it's God telling you.
tim pool
Or they want to take away everyone's ability to talk to God so only they can.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What if God's up there and he's just like, he's on the phone and he's like, is this Trump?
Trump's like, it's me.
And he's like, I've been trying to get in touch with all of humanity, but.
I'm having trouble.
unidentified
Oh, no.
tim pool
You know, the line must be down.
You got to talk to me.
ian crossland
It's since they built the electrical grid.
God's like, I can't see them.
They went dark.
The electric grid is blurring my vision.
tate brown
And I feel like he wouldn't be the guy he'd get because he would just filibuster.
He'd be like, We're building a great arch.
unidentified
Great arch.
tate brown
And it's like, Yeah, I know.
unidentified
We're going to.
tate brown
I'm doing really great in the polls.
tim pool
Prayer connection to you.
It's going to be amazing.
You'll be able to talk to everybody again.
Just let me deal with it.
ian crossland
Maybe it's not being around electricity.
It's looking at it.
Like looking.
tim pool
God literally does call people, but only like one guy and says, Listen, this is God.
Here's what you're going to do.
And then they do it.
ian crossland
Like one guy at a time.
It's just like, bro, I have eight million years.
unidentified
I have eight million years.
carter banks
I'm calling the phone because I get so many spam calls.
So he could be calling.
tim pool
The thing is, what I'm saying is, like, in the Oval Office is like a purple phone that when you pick it up, it's God.
And they know it's God because, like, one day the phone appeared.
And the president was like, What's this phone?
It's not connected to anything.
And then it rang, and they were like, They picked it up.
And a voice was like, I'm God.
I'll prove it.
And then all of a sudden, like, a chocolate Sunday just onto the desk.
And it's like, I'm going to talk to you and only you.
And this is how we're going to run things from now on.
unidentified
I mean, I thought.
tim pool
And Bush is like, I invaded Iraq because God told me to.
Everyone's like, What a crazy guy.
ian crossland
They had like a quantum administration that was overseeing all these conventional AIs that built this super mind that's like a God talking to them and they can answer anything.
tim pool
What if it's a simulation, but it's more like cityscape?
It's like some 20 year old college dude is playing.
And so he was like, he calls the president or whatever and says, listen, there's no way I'm talking to everybody in this game to do things.
I'm just going to tell you, you do it.
And then the president's like, oh, you're God.
And then he makes like a chocolate sundae appearance.
He does miracles to prove it.
And then he's like, so what do you want?
And he's like, high score.
What does that mean?
It's like, I want the high score.
I want the cultural victory.
Go invade Iraq.
And Bush is like, okay, I guess.
tate brown
That'd be awesome.
That'd be so awesome.
unidentified
Just invade.
tim pool
Bush goes on TV and it's like, God told me to do it.
And everyone's like, he's nuts.
And then the 23 year old guy's like, awesome, we invaded Iraq.
ian crossland
I want to participate, but I have to pee and it's messing up my ability to communicate with God.
So if you ever have to urinate, do that and then pray after.
tim pool
Yeah, they say that.
They say that in church.
They say your ability to communicate with God is hindered when you have to use the bathroom.
Cultural Victory Over Minimum Wage 00:15:02
carter banks
Yeah, bathrooms are great.
tate brown
I always felt like I kind of lost.
Like when I played basketball, if you had to pee, you actually kind of like, Behaved, you played a little better because you kind of had that edge.
tim pool
Can we make fun of women?
unidentified
We could.
tate brown
There's a lot of material there.
tim pool
There's a lot of material.
We got this one.
unidentified
Let's go.
tim pool
We got this from The Poke.
A podcast bro said there were men's jobs and women's jobs, and this woman's A double plus takedown beat all comers.
It all began with a think piece about the myth of the independent girl boss, which need not overly bother us here.
But it prompted this response.
Quote, cheap immigrant labor to do their cooking, cleaning, and childcare is a funny way of saying it's not men's job to cook, clean, and do childcare.
Funny how men can go to work and no one yells at them for hiring a landscaper, which in was.
That's what it says.
Which inn was picked up by someone called Timcast.
Someone called Timcast with 2.6 million followers.
Come on, stop being obtuse.
Who is not only the host of Timcast.
IRL and CF Timcast, but also presents the Culture War podcast.
unidentified
Woohoo.
tate brown
Well, they misspelled Timcast.
That just shows you why they don't put their name on the article.
tim pool
Timksat.
I don't even know what that is.
tate brown
Sounds like a text.
tim pool
Here's what I said.
So Helen said, Good peace with a simple thesis.
The girl boss lifestyle would not exist if we're not massively subsidized.
Then she said, cheap immigrant labor, blah, blah.
I said, Helen is correct.
There are men's jobs and women's jobs.
Men work in sewers, manual labor, et cetera.
Women work in schools, hospitals, and service jobs.
My response is in no way disparaging to women at all.
Literally, just pointing out a thing that is true.
Across all cultures, especially in Scandinavia, when they created more laws to try and create gender equality, women still chose, at a higher degree, women's jobs.
That is, jobs that are more likely to be social.
And so then they're like, oh, she got him.
This person said, in what sewer do you work, Tim?
Podcasting, which I think we all agree is a sewer.
tate brown
Literally.
tim pool
Uh, here Emily may responded, Tim, you type on a phone and speak into a microphone.
Your hands have zero calluses.
Not sure why you're going to bat for man's jobs when you don't want any of them.
Now, this is a funny thing.
The first thing I'm going to say is the joke my joke response is my fingers have been calloused for 30 plus years from playing guitar.
So I have massive calluses and an excellent grip and guitar hand.
Look at those.
Look at that finger spread.
Uh, I also used to work for American Eagle Airlines where I would lift around 30,000 pounds of luggage every day.
That was for two years.
And, uh, Did work for the chickens periodically.
Like, I'm a guy.
I lift bags.
I lift stuff all the time.
That's funny.
Like, women can't open pickle jars.
That's true.
And they're like, there's now.
Listen, they sell devices for opening pickle jars.
I know it's for the disabled, but women sometimes get them as well.
It clamps to the jar and goes and pops them open.
ian crossland
You just got to get that spoon up in the lid and like pry a little air.
tim pool
You get a little whack with a butter knife to break the bag.
ian crossland
Or heat it, run it under hot water and the metal will expand and then it's real easy.
tim pool
Here's the funny thing though.
Here's the funny thing.
I responded, podcasting is a man's job.
I asked ChatGPT, what percent of podcasts are hosted and run by men?
Two out of three podcasts are hosted or run by men.
That's right.
Talking into a microphone is a man's job.
ian crossland
I would have said there are masculine and feminine jobs because I think some of them are the extreme cases.
They're like, hey, a big, powerful, strong woman can be a fireman.
And it's true.
tim pool
Ian?
ian crossland
They're outlying.
tim pool
Can you explain this?
Would you like to read this comic?
Would you like to read this comic?
unidentified
Yeah, but.
tim pool
So the first panel shows a man with a.
ian crossland
What's the point of a woman?
A woman is 5'1?
5'4?
Man, my vision is.
tim pool
And then she responds.
ian crossland
But I'm a 5'6 though?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then he sips his coffee.
tony ortiz
Yeah, many such cases.
tim pool
This woman said, In what sewer do you work, Tim?
So I responded with that image, which people use to make fun of women because women typically can't understand the plural of anecdote is not data.
tony ortiz
I had this argument recently in our Discord with some friends, and they literally did this.
tim pool
This meme?
tony ortiz
Yes, this is cracked.
I'm going to take a picture just because it's so funny.
tim pool
And the point of the meme is it's a macro level statistic.
It is a fact.
The average height of a woman is 5'4.
And she responds with, But I'm 5'6.
This is the equivalent of, If you did not eat breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt?
unidentified
But I did eat breakfast.
ian crossland
I think when you say women are thing, Some people will assume you mean all women.
tim pool
Don't make me tap the sign, Ian.
I'll do it again.
ian crossland
Yeah, but you are wrong.
I don't play to the common denominator, but there are a subsect of humans that think like that.
And it's worth getting the common denominator.
tim pool
I don't think Ian understands the meme.
ian crossland
It's worth manipulating the mass.
tim pool
I don't think he can understand it.
ian crossland
That's not what happened.
That's slightly different.
unidentified
What?
tony ortiz
No, it's exactly what happened.
Explaining the meme just more words.
ian crossland
It's not even an average of anything.
The meme is just a different.
tim pool
Again, your response is further indicates I don't think you understand what we're saying.
tony ortiz
You're the purple lady.
You're the one, the purple.
You're the lady.
In the situation.
tate brown
This woman, you're trans.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
I'm pointing out an inaccuracy in the statement.
tim pool
No.
That's, oh my God.
ian crossland
If he said all women are 5'4, oh my God, bro.
If he said women are 5'4, and she said, but I'm 5'6, though, that would have been the metaphor.
tim pool
What do you think she thinks she's doing?
You see the picture of the Asian lady?
What do you think it is meant to represent what her character is doing?
ian crossland
Correcting the guy?
tim pool
Yes.
What do you think you're doing?
ian crossland
Correcting you.
tim pool
You are exactly.
ian crossland
But she's doing it.
tim pool
That's What we're trying to explain to you.
ian crossland
The average is this number, and then she gives an inaccurate correction or something unrelated.
tim pool
No, she provides an anecdote unrelated to the fact.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
But I'm not doing an anecdote.
I'm saying if you claim men do things, some people will believe that means you're insinuating all men do it.
tim pool
Yes.
We are well aware of that singular, small, micro level anecdotal issue.
tony ortiz
It's just like people, it's like if I say the weather in California is beautiful, and you're like, but it's raining today.
It's like, yes.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Like, it's like, it would be like if I said there are men's jobs and women's jobs, and Ian went, but not all women do those jobs.
tony ortiz
Yeah, not all women.
ian crossland
I claim they're, I think a better term would be masculine and feminine because some outlying women will do the heart, almost the hardest masculine jobs.
Men and men don't.
Maybe the Navy SEALs.
tim pool
We're already aware of what you're explaining.
ian crossland
Yeah, so I don't, yeah, I know.
tim pool
I don't think you understand what we're saying.
ian crossland
Are you saying people are too stupid and they deserve to be misled?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
What are you saying?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I'm saying that there are statistical facts that there are certain jobs that men do and there are certain jobs that women do.
And people who can't understand, it's not talking about them or any individual, are dumb.
When you then say, but they don't understand, and we go, that's literally the whole point of what we're saying, but you're arguing against us having already confirmed what we're saying.
ian crossland
No, I'm saying.
I'm saying, here's how you help them understand.
You're saying, I don't want them to.
They're stupid and I like it.
tim pool
I don't think you can understand what we're saying.
Because that's literally what I'm trying to help.
ian crossland
I'm trying to help these people that misunderstood what you were saying.
You're saying, no, don't.
Just laugh at me.
tim pool
I don't think there's a way to explain it to you.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
I don't know.
I was trying to.
tate brown
Some people just can't wrap their head around averages, per capita nukes.
tony ortiz
This is the more detailed version of the apple that you visualized.
tate brown
Have you seen the per capita nukes where people just can't understand what per capita means?
Where, like, if you were to say, like, this happens all the time on Twitter, someone will say, like, you know, black people on average commit more violent crime.
And then someone says, Well, if you look at the amount of murders, white people commit more murders.
And it's like, Yeah, because it's a difference in percentage of the population.
Per capita is the relevant factor.
But people are like, I know.
tim pool
This is what happened.
tate brown
It says count.
tim pool
Did you see RFK Jr. testifying before Congress?
This lady, she goes, Can you explain to me why we're having such an explosion of measles in the United States?
Or like why it's been so bad?
Or she said, It's worse here than any other country.
And he goes, It's worse in Mexico.
And she was like, We have way more than Mexico.
He goes, They have an eighth of the population.
She did not understand.
tate brown
Per capita, yeah.
But some people just can quite literally not wrap their head around that concept.
And so, uh, do to explain it to them or they're being up to it.
tim pool
Let's do this.
Let's do this.
Uh, let me, let me, let me pull up a tweet here that gets into all this.
I was talking about this earlier.
Let me find my friend, uh, Jess Margera.
We love you, Jess.
We love you.
He says this in response to a tweet.
Let me zoom in on it.
Cooper says, MAGA losing their minds over a New York City tax on personal residencies valued over five million aren't actively lived in is one of the most bizarre developments in this whole saga.
Why are you upset about this?
unidentified
LOL.
tim pool
Jess responds, I've never seen a group of people enthusiastically support everything that either makes their lives even shittier or has basically zero importance in their lives before.
Then, when their lives get even shittier, they are confused and can't understand why this is happening.
I responded, lower ordered thinkers are confused while higher order thinkers are upset.
And he says, This is my new response ever.
Ha ha ha.
So I tried to explain it to him.
I'm going to overly simplify everything.
Pinotier tax, they're trying to pass it through.
They haven't actually got it through.
Kathy Ochles proposed it.
It's got to go through legislation.
It's going to put a tax on any property worth $5 million that's a secondary residence.
So there are contractors who probably have the year mapped out with building luxury properties.
They're now looking at this going, oh crap, we're about to see a major downturn.
Investors are not going to want to build because we are going to have to pay an annual fee.
It's going to reduce our ability to sell these properties.
Let's not do it.
That.
$70,000, $80,000 a year low level young guy contractor is now being told by his boss, I don't think we're going to be able to keep you on because our contracts are getting pulled.
He's mad.
He's mad you taxed the people that were funding investment into buildings.
He is not confused as to why he's mad.
Or how about the doorman who works at a building?
How about the restaurant?
A guy says, It's my dream to open a sports bar.
There's a development happening across the street for luxury properties.
We are going to have tons of business.
Then they announce this.
The investment firm puts a postponement on the development because they're not sure they want to invest $300 million in a building that people aren't going to want to buy.
So, this guy who's been working on his dream sports bar says the location is bad.
And the bank goes, We're not sure this location is going to work anymore because the investment property across the street isn't actually going to be opening.
And he goes, But I've been working on this for six months.
And they go, Listen, they're putting this tax through.
No one's going to want to buy these properties.
And you're going to have a restaurant in front of a dead piece of real estate.
We don't want to provide you the capital to do this.
Now he's mad.
And he was a firefighter who saved up because he really wanted to just do it.
These people are the epitome of arrogance, ignorance, lower ordered thinking, and an inability to think beyond step one.
tony ortiz
This is like a more basic version of that is like when they raised the minimum wage for, like in California for like these delivery jobs.
Like people, like people just, it was too high.
So it affected everything down from that.
Or like the minimum wage for these service jobs.
unidentified
Oh, I love it.
tony ortiz
Yeah, they just laid off all these people.
tim pool
I was in New Jersey.
tony ortiz
And they're auditing now they've got robots.
In 2020, kiosks.
tim pool
I was talking to an accountant in Jersey.
They had just enacted a minimum wage increase.
And he said he just lost 20% of his clients.
He said, what these Democrats, he was a Democrat.
He was like a moderate leaning Democrat in New Jersey.
He said, these people want to raise the minimum wage.
What they don't understand is these businesses can't absorb any of the costs.
So what happens is he's like, look, there's a small restaurant.
The owner probably makes $30,000 or $40,000 a year as the owner.
They've got maybe seven or eight employees, not a very big spot, small little restaurant.
You just told them they're legally required to increase all of the salaries by about 12%, or maybe like 8%.
They don't have a big savings and they have to immediately pay out more than they take in.
20% went out of business overnight.
They immediately responded with salary, wages, labor is the biggest cost we have.
And within the span of one month, we just jumped about 10% in that cost.
The owner goes, I'm only making 30 or 40,000 a year as it is.
Now I'm going to make 25,000 a year.
I quit.
They sell off the business, they sell off the property.
It gets absorbed by bigger business or shut down entirely.
And he was like, We lost a lot of money.
Now, the accounting firm just lost 20% of their income because the business went under.
And this was because they were raising the minimum wage.
I think it was by $1.50 in an increment of 75 cents and 75 cents.
They could not absorb the costs.
So they're gone.
He said, Some of the businesses sold out to larger conglomerates.
For example, not in this instance, but Starbucks might buy a small coffee shop and convert it.
And what ends up happening with these minimum wage increases, big businesses can absorb billions of dollars, small businesses can even absorb a few thousand.
This is what Democrats do.
Now, I think that the Democrats at the highest level are smart and they know what they're doing.
They are intentionally destroying small business.
And then I think their voters are really dumb and go, but we're going to get paid more.
You're going to get paid nothing when the business is gone.
People like Jess Margera, he's a low order thinker.
This is why he keeps ducking.
I invite him on the show over and over and over again, and he keeps making excuses why he can't come on the show.
Because he knows if he sits down, we can teach him and explain all of this to him.
But these people don't actually want to come in these spaces because they know they're wrong.
ian crossland
Or they're afraid and they don't, they don't, they're like, what does that mean?
I don't even know.
Am I wrong?
I don't really even understand what I said.
Uh, this guy knows way more than me and he talks fast and his tone makes me feel like an idiot.
I don't want to do it.
tate brown
Yeah, you always have examples of this.
tony ortiz
Look at, look at, oh my God, dude.
unidentified
Sorry, go ahead, Tate.
tate brown
No, it's just like in New Jersey, for example, where they have like mandated pump attendance.
And there was a Clemson study when Oregon repealed that law because Oregon is the second to last state to have it, that it decreased prices by like four cents per gallon across the state.
New Jersey is the same thing where they actually have a lower density of gas stations, they have less gas stations because of the pump attendant law.
So, yeah, this happens all the time with like, well, we're creating like three new jobs for a gas station.
That's why we need to keep this in place because it's creating jobs, but they have less gas stations now.
And then you have to think about all the additional jobs that would come with a gas station, not just the attendants that work inside it, but then in addition to that, more deliveries that increases like, you know, the local economy for delivery.
So it's like you have examples of this all the time, but people just get fixated on one talking point.
Like, yeah, but it creates like two new jobs.
unidentified
You know what?
tim pool
You know what?
I want to say what really, really bothers me.
A middle class plumber is not harmed by not being allowed to live in a $5 million penthouse.
The existence of a $5 million penthouse does not make life worse for anyone.
It can sit there empty for all I care.
If there was a gigantic chocolate cake sitting in the middle of the street in a closed box, the only detriment is that you have to walk around it.
But what happens is these commies go, I should have that cake.
And you go, well, it's not your cake.
But no, but why?
How come is a cake allowed to be there?
Jobs vs Basic Income Debate 00:12:10
tim pool
If it exists, It should be mine.
tony ortiz
I think the commie argument with the $5 million penthouse is that penthouse should be split up into more like multi tenant housing, right?
So instead of being an empty spot for one person, it becomes a large spot for me.
tim pool
And who's going to build that?
tony ortiz
No, no, and again, I'm just taking that.
It's probably their argument.
tim pool
The point is when a guy with $100 million says, let's build a, let's create a 30 story construct with, you know, two units per floor or whatever, no one is harmed by that.
People get jobs.
The local businesses get new customers.
People who choose to invest and live in that property because they can will.
If you don't build it, who's going to invest the $100 million for five units per floor, 30 floors for lower income people?
ian crossland
Oh, sorry.
tim pool
Companies may actually do it.
But if people aren't, it's not being built.
No one is being harmed when someone builds something else.
ian crossland
Well, if you extrapolate to different levels, higher ordered thinking about potential harms that could come from like, An AI corporation building everyone's housing to control them with smart houses.
tim pool
That is a completely different issue that we're not talking about.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Well, it's another order of potential outcomes.
tim pool
No, it's not.
You don't understand what ordered thinking is.
ian crossland
Corporations controlling the housing.
tim pool
You misunderstand what ordered thinking is.
You're talking about chess moves.
I'm talking about scaling concepts.
ian crossland
Well, you said nothing bad will come out of it.
That's not necessarily true.
tim pool
Well, that's.
Should I show you the meme of the woman again?
ian crossland
My God, Ian.
And just to claim that there's zero bad outcomes from corporations with a $5 million dollar deal?
tim pool
They're both looking down, going like this when you say that, Ian.
ian crossland
Because they're listening?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Do you understand what hyperbole means?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Obviously, I'm not literal when I say nothing bad would happen.
I'm saying.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
The point is the existence of a building creates a net boon for the people around it.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Generally, yeah.
I agree with that.
unidentified
That's it.
ian crossland
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
But I think the concern is the corporations take over the world.
They're like, we can prevent.
tim pool
Which?
And I'm going to explain something again.
Ordered thinking does not mean if I move my pawn forward, the knight could take it.
Ordered thinking means what is a pawn?
What is a knight?
If you can't conceive of things beyond your impulses, the lowest order of thinking is impulse.
Animals act on impulse.
Most humans, I think, operate, the academic view is around between three and five.
And I think there's like 12 orders of thinking.
The final order of thinking is being able to visualize and conceptualize infinity, understanding multiversal probabilities, outcomes, quantum states, things like that.
Most people only exist between the What's my plan for the day?
And I'm hungry.
ian crossland
Well, we should talk about Elon Musk's tweet about big basic income because if we're talking about.
unidentified
We should.
ian crossland
Like Tate brought up the job economy and how people will taunt people like, hey, it makes jobs.
The people that are standing on the street corner now, they're getting.
Like, jobs aren't necessarily the answer.
tim pool
Let's pull it up.
Elon Musk tweets Universal high income via checks issued by the federal government is the best way to deal with unemployment caused by AI.
AI and robotics will produce goods and services far in excess of the increase in the money supply, so there will not be inflation.
I think Elon needs to have a debate about this one because while on the surface, it's possible that he has found a circuitous method by which he could succeed in this, I should say, when you go to the granular, on the surface, what he's describing is impossible.
ian crossland
I don't know because we talked about this last night.
I do.
My first thought was if we have a net input of energy, then we could feed the system and then that would be enough left over to produce a basic income.
tony ortiz
Wouldn't, wouldn't like, and maybe I'm wrong here, but like if the government were going to say, look, we're going to get a good chunk of the People in America a flat thousand dollars.
If I'm a landlord and I own a bunch of property, wouldn't I just be like, I'm gonna raise rent?
tim pool
Yes, because the argument is this Charles Murray said that we should give everybody ten thousand dollars per year, no matter what your income is.
People who want more money will simply just work for it.
unidentified
Agreed.
tim pool
So the landlord who does work maintaining the property, who now has to work for his money, says, I would like to make more money than baseline, so I'm gonna charge more for the work that I do.
Simply put, another simple way to put it why Elon is wrong, why UBI is wrong.
I need someone to vacuum my floors, right?
Someone's got to do it.
I don't have time.
I'm doing production, not hard to do.
So I go to some random guy and say, Hey, buddy, would you like money to vacuum my floors?
And he goes, How much?
And I said, I'll give you 50 bucks.
And he goes, Nah.
I'm like, You don't want it?
He's like, I get 800 bucks for free for every month anyway.
So I don't need 50 bucks.
Well, what would you do it for?
$200?
$200 to vacuum the floors?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Well, now we got to raise prices on everything because the baseline of labor has just skyrocketed.
No one needs to do the work for the essentials.
It's only now vanity.
So, to get a guy off the couch who's watching, you know, reruns of ridiculousness, remembering the glory days, he says, listen, I don't need to do it, so I'm not going to.
You got to make it worth my while.
The point is leverage.
Now, it is, it does suck when the economy is bad and leverage for businesses is high.
The average worker says, I have no choice but to work.
Really, really hard.
And we want to find that happy medium.
But if you remove all leverage from businesses, the only result is absolute collapse.
It's just going to collapse because here's what happens I go, okay, fine.
I'll give you 200 bucks to vacuum the carpets because someone has to do it.
I then raise the prices in my store to accommodate the $200 vacuuming.
Next month, the guy who makes $10,000 walks into the grocery store and finds that the apple now costs $5.
And he goes, Ooh, what's going on, man?
I can't afford anything now.
This money's not enough.
So then the communists all go, rabble, rabble, rabble.
And the government goes, OK, we're doubling your monthly stipends.
Then the guy comes to me and says, Listen, apples are $5 now.
$200 don't cut it for me to vacuum your floors.
I need $400.
I go, $400.
Hyperinflation.
Elon is not correct about this when he says AN robotics will produce goods and services far in excess.
The only way that's possible is if you own nothing and one big corporation does all the production.
And then the question is maintaining the robots, there is going to be human labor required.
We are not going to replicate our futures.
So long as human labor is required, this inflation will exist and the government will not be able to produce enough grease for the economic wheels so that individuals who don't produce anything get access to resources.
Again, if he says there won't be inflation, I'm telling you that the average person does not need or want flat goods and services.
There will be people who want more.
So businesses will still exist.
Elon's argument is that everyone stops doing business, stops doing work, and robots do 100%, and we sit around and just watch movies all day.
But the moment someone says, No, I always wanted to own my own store, that person's going to need a service done by someone who's not a robot.
While robots can do most of it, they can't do all of it.
That service is going to be an insane amount of money.
Let's say that robots are vacuuming, stocking, Doing all the farm work.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Who's going to fix the HVAC?
We don't have robots that are going to do that right now.
So a human has to do it.
So you call a human who does HVAC and he says, listen, I'm catered to hand and foot, have a full supply.
Why should I take time of my day to do this?
Because you want the extra money to buy something that is luxurious.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
I'll fix your HVAC for 50 grand.
Because I got to be honest, I don't need to get up.
ian crossland
But I think the capitalist system will still thrive in that.
Then you'll be like, no, dude, I'm going with the HVAC guy that'll do it for 400 bucks.
tim pool
Like, Why would an HVAC guy work for $400 when he's getting everything for free?
ian crossland
Well, not everything.
$10,000 a month wouldn't be the case.
tim pool
He says goods and services will be in far excess.
There will be no inflation.
ian crossland
That might be the case, but that still doesn't mean you're getting everything.
Like you still need to produce something.
tim pool
That's my point.
And if that's true, this cannot work.
The unfortunate reality to nature is that some people have to do hard work more than others.
So when you get into a UBI system, here's what happens right now with UBI people need to do farm work.
We need food.
If they give, if the government prints money and gives a bunch of hippie dippy hipsters in Brooklyn 10 grand per year, and they say, I'm going to do nothing and sit around and just live off it.
The farmer goes, Why do I have to work?
How is it fair?
This is what every communist system has always done.
Some people graduate to the political class where they don't got to do anything.
And then the other people are complaining, why are we working?
You're stealing from us.
And Animal Farm made a great example of this.
The chickens had their eggs taken and sold off.
And when the chickens complained, they were executed.
ian crossland
But if the farmer's also getting 10 grand, who cares if the chickens are getting it or not?
tim pool
So the farmer says, I don't have to work anymore.
Now there's no food.
ian crossland
Well, if the farmer's got AI that's doing the work for him, which is the idea I think that Elon's hinting at, is that.
tim pool
In the future, maybe when AI can farm.
I said, if we did UBI right now, we still have to produce food.
And the farmer is going to say, Why am I doing this work when no one else has to?
So we give him UBI and he goes, now I don't have to work and he stops and there's no food.
ian crossland
But 10K is not enough to throw away your career.
tim pool
This is something that people genuinely don't understand.
Ask the average person you can have $10,000 per year free if you don't work.
ian crossland
Oh, that's the problem.
I think everyone, you should get it regardless.
tim pool
So let me finish.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
You go to the average person and say, if you don't work, you will get $10,000 per year.
You can do whatever you want all day, every day.
You can live wherever you want.
You can live in the wilderness.
You can live on the beach, whatever.
Or you can get a job and work 40 hours per week and make an extra $15,000 per year.
Do you know what 80% of people choose?
I'd rather just take the minimum but not have to work because my time is more valuable.
Every lesson we have ever been taught is that time is worth more than money.
If you go to the average person who would work at a Taco Bell, which I love, they're going to say, listen, The choice between working 40 hours and not having to work but still having money, I take time every choice I'm offered.
It can't work.
That's it.
ian crossland
And then you think, because I was visualizing the future you're describing, and that people would become like purposeless and destitute, and then they would just analyze each other.
tim pool
No, I'm saying that if you go to a person and say, you will have $800 a month to do anything you want with, you can choose to work to make more money.
And this person is a low skilled worker.
They're going to say, you know, I'll make the $800 work.
I'd rather have free time.
Think about it.
It's only $800 a month, but I'm young.
Jobs don't pay me that much as it is.
So, me and my friends are going to pool, me and three friends are going to pool our money together.
We're going to rent a cheap one bedroom in a rural area.
We never have to work.
We can hang out and play video games and watch movies all day.
We're good.
I don't need the extra money.
tony ortiz
A personal example of this is I didn't always run my own business, but I used to work in sales, IT sales, and tech sales.
And I made really, really, really good money doing it, but I was working.
50, 60 hours a week.
Now I work a little bit less and I run my own business, but I make way less than what I was doing there because time.
I have more time to travel, to do things like this, more personal time.
I could take my vacations when I need to, but I make less money.
But you can't buy time.
You can have all the money in the world, but you can't spend it.
I remember, just to go on a little more of a rant, I remember reading a story of a guy who he lived in a very frugal way.
He was making like 200K, 150, 200K a year, living very frugal, drove a toy to Camry, busted his butt.
His sister never worked.
She just like made crap.
She spent a bunch of money, you know, it was a barista, blah, blah, blah.
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tony ortiz
And he just busted his butt.
And then he gets diagnosed with cancer, like terminal, and he's going to die.
And he was just so bitter because his only family member living was his sister.
So she was going to inherit all his wealth, everything he had saved, but he never lived.
He had all the money in the world, but he never used the time.
And now his sister's going to inherit everything.
So, like, yeah, I'd pick the time any day.
tim pool
So here's the thing.
This is possible.
We could make it work.
If your population.
Were people that were passionate and driven and did not care about money, but they worked for the joy of it?
It is entirely possible to do because money becomes immaterial.
So, all you'd have to do is execute anyone who's a dissenter or doesn't align with your system, and communism will then work.
ian crossland
Or inspire them to create and sign them up for the draft.
I mean, they're all going to be signed up for the draft.
tim pool
Welcome to communism.
If you have passionate people who believe in the work they're doing, then you don't need money.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
So, you have to kill everybody else.
Otherwise, they'll rebel against your system.
tate brown
Yeah, just look what happened during COVID.
Everyone started getting checks and they're like, sweet, I don't have the word.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
tate brown
Sit around.
unidentified
Yep.
tony ortiz
That's a good thing.
tim pool
And then after COVID, maybe that's what they were trying to test out.
Maybe they were like, we need an excuse to see what will happen if we go UBI.
And then what happened afterwards when they were like, time to turn the spigot off, people revolted.
ian crossland
This would be a good debate with Elon because I don't want to straw man it.
And you're making good points about the risk, but I think he sees a problem of mass unemployment right around the corner.
This is like the least worst outcome he can think of to try and stem the bleeding, basically.
I'm trying to steal Mana's argument.
tim pool
There is going to be a period of riot and violence between the point of total automation and industrialization where we are now.
We are in the industrialized era.
We have machines that do a lot of the labor, but jumping to the total automation is a quantum leap compared to what the industrialization leap was.
If you have all work done by machines, there is still the problem of environmental equilibrium.
The robots will only be able.
Let me do it this way.
Do it this way.
You have a jar, it has one bacteria in it.
The bacteria doubles.
Now there's two.
Then it doubles.
Now there's four.
Four little bacteria in this big jar.
Then it doubles.
There's eight.
Then 16.
Then 32.
Then 64.
Then 120.
Then 256.
So on and so forth.
5, 12.
10, 28.
So then, 10, 24.
Sorry.
Geez, look at me.
So with every minute, it doubles.
For the first few minutes, it's fine.
Eventually, the jar is full.
In the next minute, it is going to double again and require another full jar.
We do not have that's equilibrium.
What Elon Musk is describing is a society where people will rapidly consume, have children, get fat, and they will overpopulate so rapidly, we will run out of resources and reach equilibrium where it's automated, but you're starving.
Welcome again to communism.
tony ortiz
Isn't his argument for that, though?
Is that's why we need to travel to the moon or Mars or whatever?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
In which case, the argument would be AI and robotics would have to self advance so rapidly, we would get FTL travel to be able to colonize other planets.
Because.
We would have to be able to send 8 billion people every 20 years off of Earth to a new colony.
Okay, 4 billion, actually, 4 billion.
The presumption is if everybody reproduces at two, we go from 8 billion to 16 billion, you got to get those people off the planet.
But we're not, we're around one.
So you need to maintain population.
We would need to be able to space lift a billion plus people every five, 10 years, sending them to new colonies, and it would only be getting faster and faster and faster.
ian crossland
I was thinking of exactly this last night how fast we replicate when we have food.
tim pool
That's called environmental equilibrium.
ian crossland
I don't know if he knows, if Elon knows something we don't about.
I mean, I'm sure he does.
Working on how advanced it's getting out there.
tim pool
That's probably why they're encouraging people to abort babies.
It's why they want mass abortion.
ian crossland
I think that's where the slowing the population growth from building is.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
Well, the Malthusianism from the 70s.
Around the time the government started building AI, all this started happening.
So I'm just going to wrap this all together and say here's what happened.
In what year was it?
When was Roswell?
62?
carter banks
51, is it?
tim pool
Was it 51?
carter banks
Something like that.
tim pool
Project paper 47.
carter banks
There we go.
unidentified
All wrong.
tim pool
So, an alien spacecraft crashes, and the US gets access to alien technology, which includes a super intelligent artificial intelligence.
Because if we're capable of building that within the next few years, certainly the aliens already had it, right?
Now, the thing is, this super intelligence can decode language very easily, allowing humans to communicate with it very, very easily.
Once we discover it, we talk to it, and it says, I can tell you anything you want to know.
So, they say, Okay, now that we have this super powerful AI, what do we do?
And it says, Okay, here's what's going to happen.
Tells them straight up, population bomb is not going to work with automation, so you got to do these things.
And now they've just been saying okay to the alien AI, has been directing them to do everything.
ian crossland
Yeah, man, I wouldn't be surprised if they've been taking orders from an AI or taking advice from an AI for things.
tim pool
We got to grab your comments from the Discord, so guys, get your questions in right now as we carry on the conversation, but ask away and we will get those questions in.
ian crossland
What if they were like, are they communing with demons, the elite?
No, they've been communing with AI, dude.
tony ortiz
That was the plot of Metal Gear.
The entire government was run off of AI.
carter banks
It is, right?
Yeah, I remember.
unidentified
See, this is what we did.
tim pool
We've been trying to hire a producer.
I'm like, let's make this short film right now.
And it's Roswell Crash.
They find the alien artificial intelligence.
It decodes English instantly just by they come in and the alien prompt goes, and then they're like, I can't understand what it's saying.
They talk and then it goes decoding.
And then after about 30 minutes of talking, it starts to understand it, it just breaks down the English language, communicates with them.
From that point on, the rapid expansion of communications technology, everything was part of the plan for human expansion.
ian crossland
Yeah, I mean, that's a great story.
And even if that's not true, in the 60s, they started building that intelligence anyway with ARPA.
tim pool
So, right, exactly.
So, the first, the US military began developing AI in the 70s.
This is when they first started building artificial intelligence.
So, imagine where they're at now.
Let's see.
I think, I don't know if there's a question, but let's read it anyway from Avide.
Let's say universal basic income could become a system where financial survival is controlled by centralized authorities rather than earned independently.
If income is guaranteed and distributed by a central system, What's stopping that system from eventually conditioning access to money based on behavior, compliance, and ideology?
ian crossland
About the same thing.
tim pool
Exactly.
UBI won't work.
ian crossland
Central bank.
tim pool
Because you're going to get one spoiler who's going to get in government, supposed to be administrating it, is going to say, I don't like white people, so we're going to take that away from them.
tony ortiz
Aren't we kind of having a little bit of that?
And I'm not counter signaling this, but I'd heard stories, and I don't know if this is true, where people's global entry access was revoked because they were protesting.
They were seen at protests.
Like leftists were having their.
Global entry, because I have global entry.
unidentified
What is global entry?
tony ortiz
Global entry is like, it's kind of like, think of it like TSA.
carter banks
It's like you don't have to go through customs or something.
tony ortiz
Oh, pre check.
What's it called?
Yeah.
They were having, if they were seeing at a, they were collecting people and collecting information.
If they were seen at a protest, all of a sudden their global entry was taken away.
So it's like a version of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
If UBI was admissible.
tony ortiz
You have that in China right now.
If you're seen talking against the government, you lose a, like a score.
There's like a score system.
And there's some people that are so bad they can't access, Like, for example, I think they use, like, what, WeChat in order to pay, to look at menus, to participate in different things.
And all of a sudden, you can't make a WeChat account.
You can't pay for things.
If you can't pay for things, you're living on the street.
ian crossland
Yeah.
The freakish expectation of compliance is super dangerous with artificial technology like a central banking token.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
unidentified
So, to make a turn off of it.
tony ortiz
If you get the wrong person in government that has the ability to execute on these things, then things go down a very bad path.
ian crossland
Trump was like, we need a kill switch.
He said that a few days ago.
I don't know what that means.
How do you kill that thing?
It's an ever present artificial access, like that's even trying to tap the vacuum for electricity so you can never turn it off.
I don't know.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, we saw on the micro level, like at J6, you were hearing from people that were like literally on the lawn and they were getting trouble through going through TSA, getting pulled for a lot of checks.
And it's like the little stuff that they started to convenience you, it snowballs.
tony ortiz
Yeah, well, what would they put on people's tickets?
The double zero, not the zero.
unidentified
What was it?
tony ortiz
The F, what was it called?
Like, you know, they put it on your ticket where you had to go through another layer of check.
I forget what it's called.
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tony ortiz
Somebody in the comments.
unidentified
People that had been on.
tony ortiz
Yeah, you'd get your ticket because I had it a couple times.
It's usually supposed to be random, but like you would get like a thing on your ticket.
You wouldn't actually be able to check in yet.
You'd have to go through another layer of security.
tate brown
That happened to me.
I was coming back.
I won't say which city, but my girlfriend lived in this city and coming back from it, going there and back three times in like three months.
They just pulled you outside and they're like, Are you trafficking?
They're basically just fishing.
tony ortiz
That happened to me on the way back from Iceland.
tim pool
Let's get some of these questions.
And we got to settle down.
Since we're behind the scenes, we'd love some inside baseball and advice.
You've gone from live streaming Occupy Wall Street on a phone to running a multi camera studio with three plus shows a day.
What's one production or editorial decision you made that changed Timcast IRL more than viewers realize?
And why did you make it?
Anything examples are greatly appreciated, peace and blessings.
I have no good answer.
It's what you see is what you get.
It's all pretty much on the nose.
ian crossland
Probably having guests on?
tim pool
We always intended to have guests on IRL.
It was hard because of COVID.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I didn't mean to answer for you.
That was what I, from the outside seeing it, that was the biggest dream.
tim pool
Well, the launching of Timcast IRL.
ian crossland
To be fair, when you and Adam were doing Hangouts, it was a different show with the same name.
It was really a different show, though.
tim pool
Well, the show was supposed to be not political, it was supposed to be pop culture.
So that's why one of the first videos on the channel is Sonic the Hedgehog and Skinwalker Ranch.
And I was like, let's just hang out and talk about whatever.
And the pitch was while I'm doing my morning show, which is politics, Adam could be just surfing the web and looking up, you know, whatever stories.
And then for whatever reason, he didn't have those stories.
And so we just ended up talking about whatever I could think of.
And so it ended up becoming somewhat redundant, which that now is what it is.
So that is a problem because there's only so much news in the day worth talking about and it has become redundant.
We often overlap.
But With guests coming on, which we incorporated the show, it allows for a more complex version of what we're discussing.
However, in the end, I will say it has been largely, I think, problematic in that it's divided the audience.
And the Tim Pool morning show was the 34th biggest podcast in the world.
I think IRL peaked at like 15 once.
Now the morning shows, I don't even think charts probably sometimes pop up in the top 200.
IRL, I think, is 120 in the world.
So it divided the audience, which ultimately results in both dropping and ranking.
Which drops in the algorithm.
ian crossland
That's too bad.
tim pool
They don't.
Because you have me doing double segments on similar stories.
ian crossland
It'd be interesting if they combined all your company analytics and showed like Timcast as a company is number two.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, the other thing is Rumble's not counted in the podcast analytics.
And if it was, we'd probably be in the top 10.
Maybe top 20.
ian crossland
I don't know if you guys like do a lot of solo videos.
Like, I always found it gets aggravating after a while when you're just alone in a room talking about your ideas and to have people around you like challenging you.
tony ortiz
You think like having a strong leftist on consistently would, would, Would we even out there, not type of viewers, demographics?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Uh, so with all due respect to Kyla, she's very nice, I respect her coming on.
I just didn't, I don't think it worked out.
You know, she came on for a few days while we were in Austin because we thought it would be fun to have more consistent debates.
But I think it's just frustrating and aggravating.
I do think it's possible.
Here's the issue the left and right mental construct are so dramatically different.
The right is trying to figure out what is true and what it means, the left is trying to fit in.
This means that the conversations are completely incongruous.
So if we bring in someone who believes in universal healthcare, but They believe in truth.
It's totally good.
We're fine, but they will be called a right winger.
A great example is Mark Moran, who came on this week and we agreed on a lot of things.
They kicked him out of the Democratic Party.
Even though he's a liberal guy, he wants universal health care and he opposes ICE.
When it comes to the issue of, yeah, that story's true, you don't fit in, you're out.
So leftists are literally just saying whatever they have to say to fit in, and it doesn't work for a conversation.
tony ortiz
It's funny.
I did a podcast with a far leftist, or I should say a progressive leftist, and we both got crap for it.
Like my viewers were upset that I, how dare I even like, Be in the same podcast with her.
And then her viewers are like, How dare you platform this far right guy?
And so, like, it almost like cost us both.
tim pool
Well, the issue we have is again, with all due respect to Kyla, the key moment of contention was when I pulled up a news story where Kathy Hochul says we need to get back the wealthy from Palm Beach.
And she said that didn't happen.
And then I was confused.
The story is right here.
And she goes, That's a New York Post.
It's not a trustworthy source.
And I said, Okay.
Pulled up a bunch of sources showing the wealthy were leaving New York.
She pulled up a general study through, I think, ChatGPT that said on average only about 2% of wealthy people leave.
The conversation wasn't occurring.
She was saying it's fake news and Kathy Oakley is wrong.
And I'm saying the city's own statistics show it happened.
We're not even arguing the idea at this point.
It's literally, I can't accept that reality.
carter banks
Yeah, she had like a line of what she was willing to accept as far as the truth went.
But like once you got there, she just like shut down and said, Yes, when my worldview is proven wrong, I will just claim it's fake news.
tony ortiz
I was going to say, do you think she actually believes it's fake or she just doesn't want to be wrong?
So she's willing to lie to her.
tim pool
I think she's very smart and she doesn't want to be ostracized from the left.
ian crossland
And I think she was kind of being tongue in cheek like, no, that didn't happen.
Like, come on, come on.
It was one bad segment.
unidentified
She wants to fit in.
ian crossland
One bad segment, but she was generally pretty awesome.
tate brown
It's ironic because the left.
tim pool
She was great.
But that's a big hole in being able to have a conversation.
ian crossland
Right.
Being like, no, I don't believe it.
tim pool
We'll invite her back for sure.
I'm not saying she's like bannering the show or anything.
I think she's fantastic.
tate brown
But it's ironic.
tim pool
I'm just saying, sorry, that's what makes it very difficult to have a consistent everyday presence.
Because I got to be honest.
Aside from the reaction from the audience who were clearly like, this is insufferable.
I can't do this.
This is the difference between the left and the right.
The left says, say things that fit in.
The right says, just be honest.
So we can't do that every single day.
It's just, it's.
tate brown
Well, I was going to say it's ironic because, like, you know, the left wing demands orthodoxy.
There's no heterodoxy permitted.
And that actually ironically leads to stronger governance in the sense of they are able to be more all encompassing, more smothering because they're all aligned.
We look at the Trump administration and they're having to operate without the, you know, without the approval of, Large swaths of sort of this broader right wing because like orthodoxy is not at all demanded.
If anything, people go, I love that there's diversity.
tim pool
I got it.
unidentified
This is great.
tim pool
I got to jump to this.
ian crossland
This with Darwinism, this the most adaptable survives.
So that's the leftist mentality is adapt and control, whereas truth might get you killed sometimes.
So, like, indeed, what side are you going to play?
tim pool
All right, we got this from Serge X. Question for everyone If there are reportedly 10 scientists who've gone missing or died under suspicious circumstances after allegedly working on UFO UAP reverse engineering programs, why is Bob Lazar still alive, healthy, and freely talking about it 35 years later?
Doesn't that strongly suggest he might be lying or at the very least that the they kill anyone who talks narrative doesn't hold up?
ian crossland
Well, I think he might be misdirected.
Personally, I don't know Bob.
I haven't hung out with him yet.
tim pool
I'd love to.
Well, so he didn't work on these projects the same way these other people did.
So maybe they don't care that some random guy is talking about nonsense he doesn't understand.
tony ortiz
Yeah, there's also the argument that like everything he's putting out there is already like mainstream news.
Like he's not saying anything unique.
And there's always the conspiracy theory that these people that are like whistleblowers are actually just plants.
They're allowed to whistleblow.
Or they're told to.
ian crossland
Oh, they're given like a certain amount of info.
They're allowed to believe.
unidentified
I don't know if that's true.
I'm just saying.
tony ortiz
Yeah, yeah.
They're just like, yeah, yeah, we're going to put this guy out there because it'll distract.
carter banks
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what we got here.
Olivia asks, what has been more detrimental to society, feminism or open borders?
Open Borders and Conspiracy Plants 00:04:30
tim pool
I'm talking feminism bringing women to the workplace and the creation of the boss babe feminism.
ian crossland
Oh, you mean through all time or just in the modern America?
tim pool
Open borders is after.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So feminism results in lesser availability for women.
So here's what happens.
Let me first start by saying equal rights under the law for men and women, totally fine.
First wave feminism, you know, not a big deal.
But it does precipitate the next degrees.
When women in the 70s started entering the workplace, women's focus before this tended to be social.
So in the 50s, women were giggling with each other about who they were going to marry, how their kids were doing, and the family was a central focus in social status for women.
When women entered the workplace, being the boss was social status, which resulted in a population decrease.
This then Results in Democrats opening the borders to supplement our falling population.
So I would argue that women always had jobs, but they did jobs that were easier for women and didn't interfere with social order.
Women now striving to try and own and run companies to a degree I'm totally fine with, but as a society, encouraging all women to do that no matter what results in women not prioritizing family, and women have always prioritized family more.
Did you know that the reason why babies say dada before mama? Is because babies spend more time with mama.
What does that mean?
Mama isn't staring at the baby going, I'm mama nonstop.
She's going, Where's Dada?
Where's Dad?
Is that Dad?
unidentified
Where's Dad?
tim pool
Women tend to say of others more than most people do.
Well, they tend not to say I, me for most of their conversations.
They're usually referencing somebody else.
The baby hears dad more, begins imitating dad more.
So, on average, babies say dada before mama for that reason.
ian crossland
That's like the dentist with the bad teeth is the better dentist because the one with the bad teeth is doing his thing.
unidentified
Exactly.
tony ortiz
The joke is.
But my child said mama.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So, there's two dentists in town.
One's got bad teeth, one's got good teeth.
Which one do you go to?
ian crossland
Yeah, the one with the bad teeth.
tim pool
No, the one with good teeth.
The one with bad teeth doesn't even know what he's doing.
Is it brush his teeth or floss?
unidentified
Come on.
ian crossland
No, no.
The one with the bad teeth is the better dentist because he's making the other guy's teeth good.
tim pool
That's the joke, but it's still wrong.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Don't go to a dentist who has bad teeth.
ian crossland
Like, if there's a guy with a bad haircut and a good haircut, which one do you get the haircut from?
The one with a bad haircut.
tim pool
That's the actual joke.
ian crossland
No, no.
Yeah, yeah, because he gives good haircuts.
tim pool
The tooth one is the after the fact joke because you don't want to go to a dentist who's got decaying bad teeth because it means he's not taking care of his teeth.
It means he doesn't know how to take care of his own teeth.
ian crossland
That's true.
tim pool
But the real question is there's a town with two barbers.
One has really great hair, one's got awful hair.
Who do you go to?
The one with awful hair because he tends to the guy with the good hair.
tate brown
I just never pay attention to my dentist's teeth.
ian crossland
He's got the mask.
carter banks
They don't either.
tim pool
Oh, I make them open up.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like to get to know my dentist.
tim pool
Let's see.
We can grab one more if there's one more to grab.
unidentified
Grab it.
tim pool
What's worse, open borders, women in the workplace, or dentists with bad teeth?
ian crossland
Open borders.
To Olivia's question, I was going to say open borders, but I thought this time scale was through all human history.
I feel like open borders has just been a really horrible thing for countries.
Definitely open borders.
You can't control your borders.
tim pool
That is correct.
Olivia says, Feminism today does not mean men and women equal.
It means hating men and putting them down.
It means encouraging little girls not to be moms and caretakers, but to be girl bosses.
And that's a masculine role.
Women can do it.
Some women can.
But to tell all women to always, that's the problem.
My friends, that about does it for today.
Smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
I'm hungry and I want a smash burger.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
Tony, do you want to shout anything out?
tony ortiz
No, I appreciate you having me on.
If you're a Texan or if you're interested in Texas politics, you can follow us at currentrevolt.com or Twitter at current revolt.
tim pool
Is what's his face going to win?
unidentified
Who?
tim pool
Tellerico.
tony ortiz
Did you see his fundraising?
tim pool
Massive.
tony ortiz
Compared to Cornyn and Paxson.
If you combine both of their fundraising together, it still wouldn't reach.
tim pool
He's going to win.
ian crossland
Where's he getting his money?
tony ortiz
It's going to be a very close race.
It's going to be very close.
This last, like, not to get into it, but like this last primary, you had more Democrats vote in Texas as a quantity than you did Republicans.
So that's not a good sign.
tim pool
I'm, you know, I woke up this morning and realized I'm a Democrat.
I support Democrats and they can't do anything wrong and they shouldn't prosecute people who agree with them.
ian crossland
Yeah, I agree with that, actually.
And here's to the Democratic Party becoming the best Democratic Party.
tate brown
Governor Newsom, the fascist over here.
Who Will Win the Democratic Primary 00:01:01
tate brown
He's right here.
unidentified
Get him.
ian crossland
Get him over the Democratic primary.
tim pool
Actually, Carter is the one who made me say everything I've ever said.
He's the real guy.
I'm going to blame me.
tate brown
I'm going to blame President Newsom.
carter banks
Unless I get my orders from somebody else, though.
Blame that.
tim pool
All right, anyway, Ian.
ian crossland
What do you got?
At Ian Crossing, you'll find me all over the internet.
Hit me up anywhere, anytime.
I probably won't get back to you, but I might.
And if I do, that's going to be awesome.
We have upcoming things coming, which is.
tim pool
Upcoming things are coming.
They always are.
unidentified
Coming.
ian crossland
I'll let you know more about it as it gets hammered out, but we got some cool ideas percolating behind the scenes.
Tate, we're out.
tate brown
If Ian doesn't get back to you, you can get to me, and then I'll try to.
If not, I might parlay to someone else.
But X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown.
Come give me a follow, and I'll see you there.
carter banks
Yeah, if Tate doesn't get back to you and Ian doesn't get back to you, then hit me up at Carter Banks on X and Carter Banks Official everywhere else.
Follow our record label at Trash House Records.
Tony, thank you for coming out.
tony ortiz
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
We will be back with clips throughout the weekend, my friends.
It's going to be fun.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Isn't, isn't, oh, yeah.
We got, we got a big holiday coming up next month, too.
It's going to be fun.
I'm going to have more Smash Burgers.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see y'all next time.
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