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April 20, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:48:13
WORLD WAR 3 HAS BEGUN | Timcast IRL

Tim Pool and guests dissect escalating tensions over the seizure of the Iranian vessel Tusca, nuclear code rumors, and potential World War III involving China and Russia. The group debates corporate personhood ethics, Democratic strategies to expand the Supreme Court, and the dangers of surrogacy and genetic engineering. Discussions also cover election mechanics, trucking industry deregulation, foreign ownership of carriers, and Justin Martin's analysis of Mark Mullen's expanded ICE enforcement powers under new immigration funding. Ultimately, the episode argues that systemic failures in governance and regulation threaten global stability and individual liberty. [Automatically generated summary]

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US Fires on Iranian Vessel 00:04:52
tim pool
Yesterday it was reported that the U.S. fired on the engine room of an Iranian flagged vessel that tried to run the U.S. blockade into the Strait of Hormuz.
It is now being reported the U.S. believes this was a Chinese laden vessel carrying dual use materials, meaning the reason this Iranian vessel tried to run the blockade is that it was providing supplies to Iran, which could be used for war.
Meanwhile, European intelligence is reporting that Russia may be supplying drones to Iran For their war effort.
And in the wildest of stories, which many people are saying is pure nuts, still a video is going viral of a guy claiming.
Donald Trump tried to activate the nuclear codes, but was stopped.
Now, I think that one's a little nuts, probably coming from some anti Trump wacko, but it's been going viral on X.
So, you know, I'll mention it, but still put a, yeah, probably not.
Well, the question now is whether or not all of the conflicts that are happening around the world add up to a World War III.
And surprise, surprise, Russia's foreign minister once again is saying we are already in World War III.
Pundits across the board are saying it is now with Russia and China supplying weapons and intelligence to Iran.
To continue to disrupt U.S. efforts in the Strait, they are suggesting with 20 plus nations now involved in this war, it is World War III.
Of course, all right, we'll tone it down a bit.
We don't really know for sure, and we won't until sometime.
In fact, according to some historical academic reports, we didn't call it World War II formerly in the United States until after the war was already over.
And the question about whether or not World War II was a world war was happening before it even began and well into the war was going on.
This could all die down.
To be honest, considering now that we're over a month in and Trump has whipped back and forth as to whether or not we're actually going to have peace talks, we're going to stop this conflict, or it's going to escalate, it's hard to see how this slows down, especially with the latest reporting that an Iranian vehicle was potentially carrying weapons from China or dual use items.
Let's be careful here, meaning it could be used for war and tried to run a U.S. blockade.
There is a video of the U.S., they're instructing.
With a threat of death, a vessel to turn back.
And these videos tracking these transponders in the straight are nuts with all the ships turning around.
Wait till you see this video.
It's absolutely crazy.
We're going to talk about this.
There is a lot of other news, of course, but this one certainly does take the cake.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Justin Martin.
justin martin
Hey, Tim, thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
unidentified
What do you do?
justin martin
I'm a former truck driver.
Now I'm a guy who rants about trucking all day on Twitter.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
It's going to be interesting, too, especially with the AI conversation.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We've got the right now, there's another video we have.
Body cam footage was released of the Antifa terror attack in the ICE facility.
Diplomatic Mess in East Asia 00:16:05
tim pool
So we've got Civil War.
We've got World War III.
And we have the AI apocalypse all at once.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
justin martin
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Ian's hanging out.
ian crossland
Hey, everybody.
unidentified
Good to see you.
ian crossland
I'm also here with Tate Brown.
What's up, dude?
tate brown
What's going on?
What's going on?
And we've got the great Carter Banks here.
carter banks
What's up, everyone?
I'm the great Carter Banks.
We also have Tim here.
ian crossland
You are great, Carter, by the way.
tate brown
You are fantastic, actually.
You're really good at those buttons.
tim pool
Let's just give her, you know, just everyone's awesome.
We're all so great.
Everyone's so good.
carter banks
I agree, man.
Especially our guest.
tate brown
Our guest is the best.
tim pool
Yeah, Justin's fantastic.
ian crossland
We had a great talk about Justin.
tim pool
Everyone's so good.
justin martin
I just say yes to everything, and it works out.
unidentified
You know, a lot of people.
tate brown
Only for tonight, though, when the panel changes, I can't say that.
unidentified
Really?
tate brown
I'm not going to say who.
A lot, Ilya.
I'm just kidding.
I won't say who.
ian crossland
Are you dogging on A lot because he's got problems?
tate brown
It's just a bunch of friends, so I can be mean to him.
ian crossland
Shout out to A lot.
tim pool
You should be mean to him.
All right, we're going to get to the news.
We got Fox News, China linked route exposed after U.S. seizes Iran bound ship with suspected dual use cargo.
China's foreign ministry warned the Strait of Hormuz situation remains sensitive and complex.
Well, first, we've got this from NPR.
Yesterday, U.S. seizes Iranian cargo ship in Strait of Hormuz.
They say the U.S. Navy gave them fair warning to stop.
The Iranian crew refused to listen.
So our Navy ship stopped them right in their tracks by blowing a hole in their engine room.
Trump said U.S. Marines have custody of the vessel.
And that it is under U.S. Treasury sanctions because of the prior history of illegal activity.
U.S. CENTCOM said in a statement that the Iranian ship refused to comply with U.S. warnings over the course of six hours before the U.S. fired on the ship and boarded it.
American forces acted in a deliberate, professional, and proportional manner to ensure compliance.
The latest update from Fox News the vessel Tuska remains in U.S. custody as American forces continue inspecting what maritime security sources told Reuters is likely dual use cargo following a voyage from Asia.
Shipping data shows the Tosca made multiple recent stops in Shuhai, a major port in southern China, before transiting through Southeast Asia and heading towards Iran.
Part of a pathway, analysts say, has helped Iran sustain trade flows despite U.S. pressure.
The seizure comes as part of a broader U.S. effort to enforce a naval blockade on Iran, aimed at pressuring Tehran to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a critical global shipping lane.
The ship had docked in Port Klang, Malaysia, on April 12th, and was en route to the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas when it was intercepted.
The Tusco was seized in the Gulf of Oman, just outside of the Strait of Hormuz, as it was approaching Iranian waters.
It tried to run the blockade, which seems like a particularly foolish thing to do, which would seem to indicate there was something aboard that ship that they really perhaps needed in Iran, said Ray Powell, director of Sea Light, a maritime transparency initiative, told Fox News Digital.
Powell said the vessel's route through Malaysia is notable, describing waters near the Singapore Strait as infamous for ship to ship transfers due to relatively weak enforcement, a tactic that can make cargo movements harder to trace.
He added that the ship stops in China, raised questions about the origin of its cargo, though what was on board remains unknown.
Let me show you this right here.
I want to show you this viral clip.
Mario Nafa reported the U.S. Navy boarded a seized Iranian flagged vessel in the Arabian Sea yesterday.
The Tosca tried to run the blockade.
Check this out.
Let's see if we can get the audio running first.
unidentified
And military blockade here we go.
tim pool
We will compel compliance with force.
Look at that big old gun he's got pointed at him.
It's getting wild.
So we've got multiple reports now.
We've got Potentially a ship trying to run the U.S. blockade with Chinese bound dual use cargo, as well as reports European intelligence believes that Russia is supplying drones to Iran.
Not only that, with the shooting down of the F 15E, many were concerned that I believe the F 15 is a stealth fighter, meaning Iran should not have had the capabilities to track it, but somehow did.
And these people suspect Russia has been providing the technology to detect U.S. airships.
This is expanding beyond.
Just Iran, and it's now pulling in other world powers.
Not to mention, it already involves around 20 or so countries.
So, I don't know when everyone will just agree it's World War III, perhaps when China makes a direct statement.
But I will add this World War II was a series of global conflicts, not one single declaration.
When we look back in hindsight, historians say it began when the Nazis invaded Poland, they say 1939.
But at the time, the media had already claimed World War III was going on.
Some said it still hadn't begun.
And several years later, people started to say the phrase more colloquially.
And it wasn't until the war was over that the U.S. formally called it World War II.
So perhaps we won't know.
We will just watch it happen.
And then after all is said and done, people might be like, yeah, I think that was World War III.
ian crossland
During Vietnam, the Soviets were funding the North Vietnamese.
So we could be looking at another situation like that that stayed limited.
Of course, we pulled out of Vietnam.
I don't know if we're going to pull out of the Iranian Strait.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
But just to kind of reinforce what you were saying, Tim, during World War II, the Japanese invaded Vietnam.
Manchuria in 31.
So that was already aggro.
The Italians had already gone into Africa.
tim pool
Exactly.
North Africa was already.
ian crossland
Only when Hitler invaded Poland did France and England declare war on Germany.
And that's when, now colloquially, we refer to it as it beginning.
tim pool
Now consider this.
You are right about Vietnam and limited warfare.
During the Cold War, we had many proxy wars.
Some might argue this is just another proxy war, except for the fact that China's been cut off from 40 to 50% of its energy input.
They could only last so long.
Now, the interesting thing is.
They keep trying to maintain this narrative that Trump wants the straight open.
kilo charlie 5 in unknown
I don't think so.
tim pool
It seems like Trump is intentionally keeping it closed.
I mean, they're blockading ships.
So, it does not seem like Trump is trying to keep it open.
I don't, I don't, it's again, fog of war.
I will say one very important thing there has never been a war in which the public has known what was going on.
Even in World War II, you might get some reports later on, but a lot of it's propaganda.
So, maybe a month after a battle, the news circulates, I'll go, by the way, this is what we think happened.
And then after the fact, even now, people still question certain things that happened in World War II.
And I'm not talking about the Holocaust, obviously, as people question them.
You know, how many people died in this battle or that?
Here's the official reporting.
Here's what we think we know.
Right now, I think you would be insane to believe that Donald Trump is going to come out and say, here's exactly what's going on in the Middle East.
Here's our plans.
Here's what we're going to do.
No, he's going to come out.
It's going to be confusing.
It's going to be intentionally confusing because loose lips sink ships.
And if Trump came out and said, here's our exact plan and what we want to do, you'd never get it done.
tate brown
I mean, yeah, there's kind of some bizarre things happening right now.
I mean, we saw this morning on Maria Bartoma's show where she was saying Trump had called her.
Yesterday, and said, Hey, tomorrow, as in today, there would be a deal signed in Pakistan between the Iranians and the US.
That was what he said.
That's what she said.
That he said, it's a lot of here's he said, she said, kind of tough.
And so now you look at what happened in Pakistan today.
Well, the Iranians didn't show up, and they had signaled through their state agency or state media earlier today that they weren't even going to show up.
So there's kind of a bit of a diplomatic mess right now.
So that's why Trump, I think, he's looking at again, keeping the straight clothes as economic leverage because obviously, like the military operation as far as toppling the Iranian regime. hasn't manifested.
We haven't even really moderated the regime.
I mean, if anything, all the people that got replaced after we would kill their leader, they would just get replaced by someone with the exact same ideology.
So it doesn't really make Iran a preferable.
They're not more, you know, they're not more tenable to negotiate with as it stands.
To Tim's point, though, like in regards to sort of the inklings of world war here, I mean, yeah, I mean, everyone points to Poland, but yeah, you look at World War II, I mean, the Marco Polo Bridge incident could really be cited as the beginning of the war.
That's when the Japanese and the Chinese actually started exchanging fire.
You're kind of looking at this, and maybe some people will go back.
And if this truly keeps kicking off, because we're seeing right now a power block stitched together the Chinese, the Russians, and the Iranians.
And you could look back at, I don't know, maybe the withdrawal from Afghanistan is when the war started, or perhaps when obviously Russia moved into Ukraine, maybe that's when the war started.
But what is obvious right now is that three man coalition, I guess the fourth would be North Korea, if you want to include them, that doesn't seem to be unraveling anytime soon.
And if anything, this Iran operation has stitched China and Russia closer together, which I don't really think was the intention necessarily, but that's just been the result.
I mean, this story says right here the Chinese are sending dual use cargo to the Iranians.
Well, where has China been sending dual use cargo?
Russia.
They've been sending it for years.
I mean, they've been supplying the Russians with this dual use cargo.
I mean, stuff they'll do is they'll call it cooling fans.
You know, we're sending cooling fans to Russia.
What's the big deal?
Well, it's actually drone engines.
That's the most common source of like dual use cargo.
And they'll typically dock it in like Malaysia or the Philippines.
And what you do is you, almost like a movie, you respray the side of the cargo and it says from Malaysia now.
And so it really no one suspects anything.
It's just Malaysian cooling fans.
What's the big deal?
tim pool
Yeah, they're trying to play video games.
tate brown
Next thing you know, they stitch together some drones.
tim pool
They want to mine Bitcoin, you know?
justin martin
All electric motors.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
But yeah, we definitely seem to be having the inklings of two global blocks kind of having a standoff.
Now, I guess the question is how tight can America keep the coalition together?
Well, it looks like what we're doing is we're using economic persuasion.
We're seeing in East Asia.
Now, all these East Asian countries have gotten plugged right into our energy supply.
Because again, they can't depend on the Gulf states for energy anymore.
tim pool
This is why I'm saying Trump's motive is shutting down the straight.
Of course, he's going to say something totally different because he doesn't want anyone to know.
Like the US government, not just Trump, they're not going to come out and be like, here's our war plans.
But you take a look at what's going on.
This is a great point.
He is now, whether accidentally or otherwise, forcing the world to buy oil from the U.S., which for the first time since World War II is about to become a net oil exporter.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
China's in serious trouble.
The U.S. is shooting straight up.
Now, it's going to mean everything gets more expensive for everybody, but it also means it's going to get a whole lot worse for everybody outside of the United States.
tate brown
The problem, though, is that right now China is actually getting energy on sale.
They're getting energy on sale from Russia because, again, Russia is still sanctioned quite extensively by the West.
They don't have as many options to export energy.
So, even though now energy is in high demand right now in the global market, especially oil, China is able to source it at a discount from Russia.
That's the problem.
Now, an additional problem for China is that they would source a lot of their LNG from Qatar.
Well, Qatar is not exporting any LNG anymore.
What's the second biggest buyer in the region?
The Australians.
So, now Australia kind of gets introduced into this global kind of reshuffling of the chairs because what's Australia going to do with their LNG?
Are they going to sell it to the Chinese or is there any other buyers on the market that are going to gobble a lot of it up?
It looks like Taiwan, 50% of Taiwan's energy grid is built off of LNG.
So now Taiwan is buying Australian LNG en masse.
So it's really dramatic what we're seeing.
We've seen an entire rewiring of the entire global energy trade literally within two weeks.
And the only winners have been America, Russia, and Australia.
Everyone else is getting hammered.
tim pool
I mean, Australia, what are they winning?
tate brown
On LNG.
tim pool
Ah, right.
tate brown
A lot of LNG.
tim pool
Well, it's converting a lot of economies too because the reliance on crude is now sending them spiraling.
Where's Greta Thunberg to praise Trump for forcing these countries to start thinking about fusion and wind?
tate brown
It is true.
Like, if you look at what the Japanese and South Korean press has been saying, they're thinking five, six, seven years ahead.
They're already thinking, like, we might need to start switching to renewables or switch back to coal.
A lot of them have discussed moving back to coal because coal's on sale right now.
Going back to the Australians, the Australians like to put a lot of coal.
tim pool
West Virginia's coming back, baby.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
All that coal.
And you can upscale it into graphene, too.
tim pool
That's what I'm talking about.
See, Ian's on the Trump train now.
ian crossland
Oh, let's coal mine.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, you can actually convert oil into graphene as well with thermal heating.
tate brown
This could be this, like, seriously, the graphene play could manifest here.
ian crossland
What I wonder about fusion, and I, you know, for decades they've been like, it's just 20 years away, 20 years later.
Is like, would the Chinese even go so far as to unleash fusion reactors across the board and give their populace access to that power?
I don't think they would.
tate brown
If they feel the pinch, they may.
I mean, look, I mean, you're looking, China's window right now of truly asserting themselves as a global superpower is now closing.
It is now closing.
Again, like, the American GDP and the Chinese GDP have diverged, like, quite extensively over the last few years.
And China's population is aging rapidly.
They still haven't really tested their military.
Like, they haven't actually been in a hot conflict really ever, or at least certainly not in the last few decades.
So, they're kind of looking around at the global economy.
They might be thinking to themselves now might be the time to strike on Taiwan because all the East Asian allies are hurting right now.
Again, they're paying out the wazoo for energy at the moment.
I know they're buying it from the United States, but still they're in a strategically much worse place than they were before the war.
Taiwan, again, 50% of their energy grid is built off of LNG.
So, they're all like on their knees right now.
I mean, there's a serious crisis.
If you go read the press over there, like, they're freaking out.
And so China might be thinking it's now or never, and that's what could really kick things off.
Now, I don't expect them to, but I'm just saying the odds of it happening now, I don't know what Polyomarket or Kalshi is saying, but I would imagine it's higher than it's been in a minute, just purely because of how vulnerable, again, East Asia is right now.
And the U.S. also has diverted a lot of our munitions.
We've completely abandoned East Asia, maybe not completely, but we've largely abandoned our military posture in East Asia to sort of apply those resources to our Middle Eastern operation right now.
So munitions are very low in East Asia.
A lot of our navies out of the region.
It's really just our bases.
Our bases are what's providing our posture in East Asia right now.
So it's a really like the last two weeks, the world's just completely changed, to say the least.
tim pool
We've got this from PBS.
Trump tells PBS News that lots of bombs start going off if Iran ceasefire expires.
Now, the issue is, as far as I know, the news on what is going on is just it's a Jackson Pollock painting.
You can't track it, right?
With the seizure of this Iranian vessel that's now.
Suspected to be carrying dual use materials.
Peace talks are apparently off.
Iran saying they're not going to be involved in this.
Trump is saying, okay, then we're going to start bombing the crap out of Iran.
I don't know where this ends up other than escalation.
I will say it does not seem that there is an effort to calm things down.
It seems like there is only an effort to escalate this.
How do you ever get out of it?
How do we make anything different happen if this is what we're getting?
Iran says no peace talks.
Trump says, okay, then bombs.
tate brown
That's the scary situation, right?
I know there's a lot of people that are sort of exclaiming that Trump has decisively won this conflict already.
I think it's a bit premature.
I don't think we're out of the weeds yet.
Again, things are looking promising at times.
I mean, we've won this war eight times already, according to President Trump.
I mean, he declares we won quite frequently.
But again, to Tim's point, I mean, where's the off ramp right now?
I mean, the Iranians are not willing to budge because for them, the victory condition for Iran is survival.
The victory condition for us, the bar is much higher.
Like, we have to draw some serious, some serious, we have to extract some serious, I guess, folds from the Iranians to really emerge victorious.
tim pool
We got to throw this fact check in real quick because this video has been going massively viral.
Jimmy Dore posted it saying that a CIA analyst was claiming that Trump threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran and that Dan Kane was like, no, and like threatened Trump.
The fact check is, Kane did not storm out of an emergency meeting after Trump suggested threatening Iran with nuclear weapons.
They claim that the initial claim was that Dan Kane stormed out of an emergency meeting with Trump.
Trump Nuclear Threat Claims 00:06:13
tim pool
Insider is saying, blah, blah, blah.
He refused to, you know, whatever.
They say, uh, Lead story searched Google News, Yahoo News, did not find any matching reports for Dan Kane stormed out of an emergency meeting.
If the Trump said he wanted to threaten Iran with nuclear weapons, had such an incident actually occurred and been confirmed by sources, major news outlets would have widely reported.
I do want to stress that's the stupidest rationale for a fact check.
No one's yet reported outside of rumors, therefore it must be false.
But let me see if I can find the scuttlebutt.
Because I do have the video from Jimmy Dore, but I want to make sure I get the article on this one first.
unidentified
What is this?
tim pool
Trump faces Catholic backlash and nuclear code allegations.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Here we have.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Look at this from The Mirror.
Here we go.
I mean, guys, this is what I'm trying to stress.
This is like The Mirror is not some random unknown blog.
This is The Mirror.
This is like a well known publication in the UK.
Trump blocked from axing nuclear codes by head of US military.
They claim.
Retired CIA analyst Larry Johnson said on his YouTube show, Judging Freedom, that during an emergency meeting on Saturday, Trump tried to access the nuclear codes.
One report coming out of that meeting at the White House is that Trump wanted to use the nuclear codes, and General Dan Kane stood up to him and said no.
He invoked his privilege as the head of the military, so to speak.
It was apparently quite a blow up.
There are some very bizarre things going on in D.C.
The claims have not been confirmed, and it is unclear what the nuclear codes would be.
Let me play the clip for you.
This is from Judging Freedom.
Jimmy Doar posted this.
Oh, you know, we have the site muted.
unidentified
Don't worry, we got it.
larry c johnson
And then there was a report out that they had an emergency meeting Saturday night.
And apparently, well, one report coming out of that meeting at the White House is that Trump wanted to use the nuclear, so called, use the nuclear codes.
And General Dan Kane stood up and said no.
He invoked his privilege as the head of the military, so to speak.
It was apparently.
Quite a blow up.
There are pictures of Kane coming out of that meeting with his head down to the ground.
So, you know, there's some very, very bizarre things going on in DC.
tim pool
I say shenanigans.
I don't believe it, especially considering Donald Trump is the head of the military, not a general.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
So, there's the implications of this would be scary any which way.
If it's true, Trump wanted to nuke Iran and he wanted access to the codes or at least to scare them by activating nukes.
That's horrifying.
If it's also true that Trump wanted to activate weapons, but a general stopped him, also terrifying.
I'm going to go and say both are probably false.
ian crossland
I got a third theory that might actually be true.
Trump wanted this story to get out that he's the crazy madman that wanted the nukes, but he just wasn't.
Thank God we have the restraint of the military, or he would have done it.
That's a way he doesn't have to threaten the nukes.
tim pool
I think you're right.
I think that's actually what happened.
ian crossland
Once you make the threat, you've played your hand, you have nothing else to play.
So he doesn't.
We can't.
carter banks
It's like saying, if not for them, then.
This would have happened.
tim pool
I mean, because, yeah, that's a really good point.
I just want to reiterate.
Ian saying Trump, his administration intentionally leaked a story that he was trying to nuke Iran, but was stopped from doing it.
tate brown
I mean, it'd be interesting that it fell into the hands of Napolitano because, like, he was a Fox News guy for a long time, like 20 years.
Larry Johnson's a little different.
I mean, Larry Johnson, like, literally three months before 9 11, was like, there's no terrorist threat whatsoever.
I don't want to listen to him.
But Napolitano, I don't know.
Like, he's kind of been around the block, so as far as media goes.
So I don't know.
There's a possibility there's some sort of connection between him and the White House.
I think Ian's right.
tim pool
I think Ian's right.
This is that.
That is kind of the Trump's a PR guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So he's like, We need to freak them out.
If Trump actually says I'll nuke you, they'll say, shut up.
If a story comes out where it's like Trump's trying to nuke them and they won't let them, they're going to be like, uh.
ian crossland
A few weeks ago, Trump said, you got to bow to my demands.
I'm putting words in his mouth, but the way he said it, or we're going to unleash hell and fury on Iran and wipe out genocide, the civilization.
He basically alluded to total war and just didn't do it.
And like once you make that threat and don't follow through, I don't think any of these threats are going to be taken seriously.
So you do want to tone down the threatening rhetoric and just let them believe.
That something's coming.
tim pool
Everyone's cheering for Ian right now in the chat.
They're saying a broken clock.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
The downside is I want to help the United States come out on top of the conflict.
So I don't want to reveal his hand, but at the same time, I feel like as doing commentary.
unidentified
I just told him.
tim pool
Okay, then let's do this.
What's that?
It's my phone.
What's that, Mr. President?
ian crossland
Hold on, I'm getting a text from you.
tim pool
Actively trying to nuke Iran right now.
ian crossland
He does want to do it.
tate brown
Oh, yeah, it's right here, President Trump.
tim pool
My group chat with Heg Seth.
tate brown
Yeah, that's great.
tim pool
Don't nuke Trump.
ian crossland
But, you know, badass, keep it up, guys.
I mean, it's good, it's working.
tate brown
Wait, no, no, no.
That wasn't.
unidentified
Wait, wait.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
What?
tate brown
I don't know what he's talking about.
Block from nuclear codes?
That doesn't sound right.
No, that's fake.
ian crossland
But also, Trump might have asked, like, hey, so what's up with these nuclear codes?
Can I get them?
And the general's like, this idea that we open that box.
justin martin
How do you not ask that when you're the president?
Every president has a thought of, like, oh, I've been doing this for a while.
unidentified
Oh, the first thing I'm doing.
How do you not?
I'd be like, let me see the football.
Open it up.
tate brown
Watch, it's probably like four numbers.
Like, it's easy to get.
Oh, it's my birthday.
justin martin
I think, too, the way he operates in this administration versus previous administration, you know, his first term.
tim pool
Sorry, the code is 1776.
justin martin
His first term.
Anytime he wanted to, like, Dangle the keys and like distract everybody, he could just put out a tweet.
He doesn't tweet anymore.
He put truths or whatever it is now.
unidentified
Truths.
justin martin
Anytime he wants to like muddy the waters to get everybody all up in arms and distracting and stuff, he's got to go throughout these other securitist routes.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I mean, yeah.
And like to your point, to everyone's point, is I mean, we just saw this with Cuba.
I mean, the idea that like the Pentagon, whoops, there was a leak.
Oh, we're going to invade Cuba.
Like that just slipped out.
No, Trump is like infamous for A B testing ideas.
He'll like throw out an idea, kind of see how everyone in the space reacts, and then we'll like either double down or kind of back off of it.
He's famous for this.
In this example, this is kind of a little way of doing that.
He's going to Madman Theory.
I think that's what he's trying to mean.
That came about during Nick's show.
carter banks
It was a slow weekend.
He wanted to spice things up.
tate brown
Throw that out there and just kind of see what everyone reacted to.
Madman Theory and Cuba 00:04:39
justin martin
We're at 100% toppling Cuba.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, dude, it's happening.
Like all the reports that are coming out now, again, I think this is trial balloon stuff, but I'm seeing more and more reports about the U.S. preparing an invasion, like drones flying over Cuba now.
Yeah.
Secret meetings with Cuban officials.
I think they're freaking out.
Again, what if the reports on a U.S. invasion of Cuba were to force the Cuban government to start negotiating?
tate brown
That's what it was.
I mean, we saw a report today that one of the Cuban officials came out, but he gave the wrong answer.
He was like, oh, we're sovereign, actually.
And I was like, nope, wrong answer.
You're not.
We can like destroy you whenever we want.
But yeah, that's true.
It's more of like ratcheting up pressure before like a round of negotiations.
And who knows what we'll extract out of them.
I think Venezuela, we can just like show them the video, be like, hey, that'd be a lot easier to take over you than that.
At least Venezuela had like some stuff going for them.
tim pool
You know what we should do?
We should just have a bunch of tourists go to Cuba.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then just like a couple cruise ships pull up and like several thousand people come out in like Hawaiian shirts and like khakis.
And then they just stay.
And that's it.
tate brown
Well, that would have.
You know, and that wouldn't have worked in the 80s because if you look how like CIA guys used to dress, they did used to just dress like that.
They used to just wear like slacks, where now they're like all body armored up and everything.
tim pool
To be fair, we just send tons and tons of troops to Guantanamo Bay and then they walk outside.
tate brown
Yeah, you know, and this is maybe, this is kind of one of my pet issues is like Guantanamo Bay.
Why are we not turning that into like Hong Kong 2.0?
Because the actual part of, like, the actual concessions that we got as far as like what we can utilize, there's a lot of land there we don't use for development.
I'm like, we should just turn it into like a paradise so that way Cubans look across the fence and they see like skyscrapers in their eyes.
justin martin
Or an ice detention center?
tate brown
Yeah, just something that would like send a message to the Cuban people of like, oh, wow, we need that actually.
That would be really cool.
Like, I'm sitting there.
carter banks
Mexican City?
tate brown
Begging for bread and I could have like skyscrapers.
justin martin
We have that.
It's called Key West.
Key West is closer to Cuba than Miami is.
tate brown
Yeah, they could just get their binoculars out and just be like, whoa.
ian crossland
Yo, Cuba is a fascinating story about why, like, liberating someone isn't always the best thing for them.
Sometimes you want to take control of them because, like, when we liberated Cuba from the Spanish Empire in 1898 with the Spanish American War, we gave them sovereignty and then a communist dictator took it over.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And now, but had we taken it and taken control of it, like Puerto Rico made it a territory, it would still be a peaceful, probably, well, I don't know, not like Puerto Rico is a haven of wealth, but it would have a better shot than Castro's, you know, demolition of the country.
unidentified
So.
ian crossland
It's crazy to think that, like, maybe we should have taken it and conquered it.
tate brown
Yeah, totally.
We totally should have.
I mean, this is the case with, like, pretty much every decolonization, like, post-decolonization story throughout the world, is that more often than not, they just diverge back into, or they revert back into, like, basically tribal warfare.
I mean, this is what you saw throughout Africa.
There's exceptions, obviously, like, Singapore actually probably was better off decolonized, so to speak, but that was for a variety of other reasons.
But yeah, like, Cuba is a great example of we cut them loose and then what it took 20 years before they had a literally a communist government.
I mean, like, Yeah, maybe we should just sort of incorporate them into the fold.
And now you have an elite ready to go because they have an entire elite in exile.
They're all in South Florida.
You could just tell them to go back to Cuba and take back, like, whatever their lands were or whatever and just rebuild the economy.
justin martin
I grew up around many of those guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
justin martin
I lived in South Florida in the late 90s, early 2000s.
And yeah, all of them, they came into the U.S. during, like, the 70s and 80s, and they're just waiting.
unidentified
Yeah.
justin martin
They get the green light to go back.
ian crossland
Were they wealthy capitalists that had had their property seized by Castro?
justin martin
No, actually, one of them, this guy named Sal, he swears up and down if you watch the movie Scarface, that.
News footage at the beginning of the movie of the guys like washing up on shore.
He's like, I was in that boat.
I was there when they were filming the movie.
And no, he's like a plumber in South Florida, but he had two Harleys when he lived in Cuba that he buried in a septic tank when he fled the country.
So he's like, I'm going back and getting my Harleys back.
tate brown
Yeah, it wasn't so much that they were like the elites that got targeted, but like the middle class.
I mean, Cuba was fairly wealthy.
So the middle class there before the revolution was actually doing fairly well.
And so, again, compared to what Cuba is now, they would be perceived as quite wealthy.
But at the time, they were.
A lot of them were just middle class.
And same thing in Venezuela.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Well, a tide going back in sinks a lot of boats.
And that's kind of what happened in Cuba.
I mean, I'm sure there were some elites that had their housing and land stolen, and that's why they're angry.
But a lot of them are just normal middle class people.
And you could afford to buy quite nice things on a middle class salary in Cuba in very recent memory.
justin martin
Great American, too.
I knew a lot that.
When they would celebrate Thanksgiving, they would all dress up as pilgrims.
It was the weirdest thing.
I'm in South Florida and I'm hanging out with a bunch of Cuban Americans and they're all dressed as pilgrims.
Wartime Powers and Energy 00:06:29
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, one of the claims on the Iranian cargo ship is that it was carrying ammonium perchlorate, sodium perchlorate, sodium chlorate, oxidizers and propellant chemicals like dual use materials, which can be used for ballistic missiles.
ian crossland
Right.
And like probably fertilizer or something.
They're like, hey, it's just for farms.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And for chemicals.
tate brown
I'm trying to grow dates.
justin martin
Any of that stuff in bulk, you can do a lot of damage.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's grab this story from Bloomberg.
Trump invokes wartime powers to.
Fund new energy projects.
Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to provide federal funds for energy projects targeting areas including domestic coal power and power grid infrastructure.
The move allows the Energy Department to deploy funding to overcome delays, financial shortfalls, and market barriers, and to support projects such as coal fired power plants and facilities that manufacture gas turbines.
Trump said the actions are necessary to strengthen grid infrastructure, unleash reliable energy, and support national defense, citing concerns about high energy costs and the nation's aging and constrained electric grid infrastructure.
Two things here Trump invoking wartime powers.
With the Iran war stuff going off, it's kind of freaky.
Except presidents invoke wartime powers all the time.
The question is is this just a move for energy independence to strengthen us in the United States?
Or is it executive encroachment that our legislative branch is so dysfunctional, the president is just rubber stamping projects now?
unidentified
Maybe.
justin martin
Do you want power to have those AI data centers turned on or not?
tim pool
Man.
ian crossland
Yeah, the guy.
tim pool
Hi, dude.
ian crossland
What is it?
Not anthropic CEO.
But what's the other?
Oh, no, no, the defense Palantir.
justin martin
Palantir, yeah.
ian crossland
Their CEO in his book said he wanted a draft.
He thought that it was a draft.
tim pool
It has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
unidentified
What's that?
ian crossland
Well, he thinks that service should be mandatory and military service should be mandatory.
Trump, like, yeah, if the executive takes control and then institutes a draft, that could be very concerning.
So, like, we do need.
tim pool
I think you thought for a second that it was an AI company, or I'm sorry, an energy company, but Palantir is just like a government contractor for surveillance.
So, it was unrelated to Trump's wartime policy.
ian crossland
It's like our AI defense grid.
If that thing starts calling for drafts and compelling service, and the president takes the authority to do it, it is largely an exaggeration.
tim pool
He said national service.
He said we have to bring back some kind of national service, which we all agree with.
ian crossland
Are you sure the quote?
tim pool
I thought it said.
No, it was a manifesto when he said national service.
justin martin
It's like in the Heinlein sense, you know, Star Star Struck Troopers, that kind of thing.
ian crossland
I'm going to look it up because I thought there was more, but I'll check it out.
tate brown
But to the story, I mean, Biden and Obama both invoked wartime powers over cleaning our electric grid up, as far as like Obama was trying to, I think it was literally, he just called it like.
The Green Act or something, and he used wartime powers.
And then Biden did the same thing.
And Biden, this is like 2022, he invoked wartime powers to build out like clean energy.
And he did it.
The reason he justified it was he was saying because we're competing with China for renewable energies, like in the renewable energy race.
So we need to invoke wartime powers in our economic war against China.
That was like his rationale for it.
So this idea that this is like a unique thing is just like laughable.
I mean, invoking it for renewable energy, like what are we doing here?
ian crossland
I want to know what got invoked.
Did he say what specifically, or is it kept general on purpose?
tim pool
The Defense Production Act.
tate brown
Yeah, they use it all the time.
Biden used it for a baby formula shortage.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
tate brown
They use it all the time.
He did it for batteries.
We had a battery shortage.
It happens once every three months, three to six months.
justin martin
Since he's been in office in the second term, they've been trying to reinvigorate the industrialization, re industrialization of the U.S.
I feel like this is just like a, in case of emergency, break glass measure because we're expending 1,000 Tomahawk missiles in Iran and we build 100 per year.
Any attempt to ramp up production of anything in the U.S. is going to require a ton of energy.
And I think they're realizing we have a limited amount of time left in this term, and we got to get as much done as humanly possible.
ian crossland
I wonder if we stay on the oil as our main energy source, if we will inevitably be led to global war.
Like the whole Iranian seizure and control is about oil.
And if we're stuck on oil as our main and only fuel source.
tim pool
If we're not stuck, we want it to be that way because we control it.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
And if it's hydrogen, you kind of lose control.
tim pool
Unless, well, the theory is not.
I mean, first order thinkers are like the U.S. won't allow any other technology to exist because they own oil.
Further down the order of thinking, you have, there are multiple different energy sources the U.S. is trying to control.
Once they control them, they have no problem with anyone using them.
ian crossland
The hydrogen is a little risky.
It's a great fuel if you can control it, but, and they can make it by producing graphene.
They get it as a byproduct.
So it's very easy.
tim pool
They're not going to make hydrogen through a byproduct of graphene.
They're going to make it much simpler ways.
ian crossland
Well, it's pretty simple.
The hydrogen, I mean, if you superheat carbon and then it flashes into graphene, gives off hydrogen as a byproduct, it's pretty easy.
That's the thing is, if we, If countries start doing it, it kind of frees up their fuel source because it's just carbon.
You can get carbon from like trash.
justin martin
There's other things you can do with oil and LNG, liquefied natural gas, too.
There's all kinds of petrochemicals and stuff that we produce as byproducts during refining.
So just the fact that we're controlling or we're exporting so much natural gas right now is great because it doesn't just stay as natural gas.
It can be burnt for energy, it can also be turned into other products.
So anytime we're net exporting all that stuff, it's a win for us.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, we use LNG for ethylene.
Is that how you pronounce that word?
It's what is the primary chemical that we use in plastics manufacturing.
So, if you can dominate LNG trade, you basically dominate the global plastics production.
And then, in addition to that, our electric grid primarily utilizes LNG.
So, I mean, to Tim's point, we don't want to diversify if we don't have to because it helps us on the global stage.
ian crossland
The LNG, that's methane, liquid natural gas is methane.
CH4 is the Chemical structure, you can strip away the carbon and turn it into graphene.
I know it's, I brought it up a lot of times, and then you left over with all that hydrogen.
Similar, you actually turn carbon dioxide into methane and then turn that methane into graphene with the hydrogen byproduct.
But I think you're probably right that the ideal for the power structure is to maintain the oil and methane chain and not open up a new fuel source yet until we have total control.
Like, I don't know what they're thinking, but I mean, the inevitable transition to another fuel source is coming.
Corporations Owning Everything 00:17:18
ian crossland
It's just a matter of when and how.
And how disruptive it is.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
Well, and the LNG market globally was super competitive up until recently.
I mean, like, literally last week.
So, I mean, for the longest time, yeah, a lot of that was used domestically, but now that we're able to export a lot of it, I mean, again, who knows?
Who knows how the global market will rewire?
Anyone have any further?
Does anybody have any stronger opinions about it?
tim pool
The world's going to end and aliens are going to come at the same time and then there's going to be a big earthquake.
justin martin
Wasn't there supposed to be some UFO stuff announced this week?
tate brown
It's supposed to be.
justin martin
That's why it seems like now's the time for it.
unidentified
What a world.
tate brown
It's what feels so lame.
It's like being in commentary and then literally having to give the answer.
I don't know.
Let's just see what happens.
That's actually how I feel about a lot of this.
tim pool
I think most people feel like I don't care anymore.
It feels like the last 10 years.
It's just like imagine there's some morbidly obese.
Purple haired woman to your right, and I guess to your left, and then on your right is like some mug, smug guy in a suit.
The person on the left is going, just in your left ear the whole time, and the guy on the right's going, Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, really, the whole time.
Yeah, that's what it feels like for 10 years, and so I'm just like, Is the new uh Game of Thrones done yet?
Because I've been waiting for that book.
ian crossland
If the Chinese were blockading the Panama Canal right now, I'd be out of my mind screaming rampant, like, Ah.
Thing about thing, about thing, about thing.
tim pool
I don't think so.
I think you're going like the Americans shouldn't have colonized Panama.
ian crossland
Well, no, I would be very, I'd become very warlike if the Chinese were to start to blockade anything of ours.
But if we've blockaded the Iranians, I don't, I'm not.
I'm just like, I'm not going to speak out against my government right now.
I'm maybe supposed to if they're doing something wrong.
tim pool
China's been stealing our intellectual property for decades.
ian crossland
Yeah, no.
tim pool
And so what?
And we don't even do anything about it.
ian crossland
I don't know what to do about it.
tate brown
We just mock them.
justin martin
We like our cheap stuff.
carter banks
Yeah, we're like, oh, yeah, but I mean, I had neighbors that used to come home.
Like, I had a kid who lived next to me.
His dad worked in China a lot.
He used to bring home DVDs before the thing came on film.
unidentified
That's awesome.
tate brown
Well, yeah, it's literally a punchline.
We're like, oh, that's the Timu version of such and such.
It's like, we're literally getting our IP ripped off, and then we make jokes about it.
Even though they are under, I mean, that is a problem.
Like, they are totally undercutting our economy.
ian crossland
But I, my person, I mean, personally, I'm not a big fan of IP law in general.
It's kind of silly that a corporation can buy a likeness and then profit off of it for 100 years, literally.
unidentified
What is it?
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Mickey Mouse.
Like, they're supposed to give it back to the commons and then they hold it.
unidentified
They did.
tim pool
What do you mean?
ian crossland
They're supposed to.
They were.
They held it for longer than they were supposed to.
tim pool
No, Mickey.
Steamboat Willy is now public domain.
We've made jokes about it.
unidentified
We've.
tim pool
They're like, we were going to.
People are making like Nazi paraphernalia with like Steamboat Willy stories.
tate brown
They did figure out ways to like prolong their control of it.
That's true.
It's like it was supposed to be like 50 years.
carter banks
It's like your lifetime plus 70 years, I think, is what it used to be at one point.
tim pool
It is pretty insane to think that there are stories so like just old and common.
That they're public domain now.
Like, I think Peter Pan is, right?
Captain Hook and all that stuff.
justin martin
That's the whole Disney back catalog.
All those stories were public domain.
tim pool
But their versions of these characters they do own because they're unique, right?
Like, what is it?
Little Mermaid is slightly different.
So the actual Little Mermaid dies at the end of the story.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
She turns into sea foam, which just disintegrates.
tate brown
There's constant jostling over Bible and like Quran translations because it's like, okay, clearly you can't like copyright the Bible, but this specific translation we have copyrighted, like, I don't know, like the New Living translation or something.
So, it's like spawning all these new translations that are really obscure.
tim pool
To your point, Ian, IP law is over anyway.
ian crossland
Yeah, I know, because corporations.
Corporation is a big cudgel.
Corporation wants to own you and your likeness.
tim pool
It's not about corporations.
That's a weird communist nonsense.
ian crossland
Well, my concern is the corporate takeover.
It's not the Chinese, it's the corporations sliding in the back of the car.
tim pool
Corporations, bro.
There's like millions upon millions of corporations.
ian crossland
Corporate law.
They have personhood.
It's very weird.
But the Chinese, if the Chinese broke it open and they're like, you know what, screw your IP law, everyone can have access to every character.
I'd rather that than corporations owning your likeness.
tim pool
I disagree because a corporation could be one single person with a legally protected entity just so that it houses that particular IP.
tate brown
An IP law is.
ian crossland
I don't know, but they sell that IP too.
That's the danger of it.
tim pool
Let me put it like this You've written a song, right?
Yeah.
What if one day on this show you said something that was factually incorrect and defamatory?
So they sued you and took the rights to that song away from you.
Would that make sense?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
But that's the way it works.
You own that song.
If you are sued, you have to pay the damages, right?
So they'll look at your assets and say, What does Ian own of value?
Nothing.
The person might go, he does have the rights to these songs and they do have a potential value.
I'll accept the rights to that.
Now you've lost the rights to your song and they can do whatever they want.
You'll never see a penny for it.
So how about you form like a corporation that isolates that IP so that it can't be seized in its way?
And to be fair, the corporation is still an asset of yours.
It works in the inverse.
If you as a representative of a corporation do something defamatory, they can't come after you personally after the fact unless you personally are involved.
The purpose of corporations is to limit liability to key areas.
Otherwise, you could own a house.
And then someone slips on a banana peel at a work, a business you own, and then sue you and take your home from you because something the business was doing.
So we separate these so they're legally distinct.
To be fair, there's still ways to go after the individual, the principal, and go after his assets as well.
Just harder to do.
So corporation just doesn't mean a whole lot when you say, I don't like corporations.
ian crossland
No, I didn't say I don't like them.
I just don't like megacorps owning, I was supposed to find megacorps too, owning human IP, owning personal likenesses.
It's a very strange form of IP that I think is aberrant.
It's not what the law was made to do.
tim pool
It was?
ian crossland
I don't think that's why I'm saying that.
The law wasn't made to own people's likenesses against the law.
tim pool
They literally created laws so that people's likenesses could be held as IP.
Yes.
ian crossland
I think the laws.
tim pool
That's why they're able to do it.
ian crossland
The laws were originally made so that the British government could control the copies of the Bible they were selling.
They wanted to make sure the same copy.
tim pool
And I am talking about IP law in the United States drafted by Congress to protect companies owning it's contract law.
They weren't like in the 1970s going, let's go back to Britain.
They were like, let's pass a new law in Congress so that corporations can hold these contracts.
unidentified
I got.
ian crossland
I got a song called Copyright.
It's awesome.
I like IP when it works for the little guy, so the corporation can't take their idea.
tim pool
What is the corporation?
You keep saying that.
ian crossland
Whatever, some giant money organism, whatever.
tim pool
So you have an issue with one particular company and you're blaming the structure itself?
ian crossland
It's when big money comes in, buys an IP, and then you can't get it back.
Those are terrible situations.
tim pool
They bought it.
unidentified
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Right.
Like they use.
tim pool
Don't sell it then.
justin martin
You write a song and then Columbia Records comes to you and sues you because you have like the same chord progression as one of their pop songs.
tim pool
That's something dramatically different.
ian crossland
That has happened.
tim pool
But often we see that in the inverse.
Like when Sam Smith got sued by Tom Petty, they're two big major label stars.
Or when I think it was the family of Marvin Gaye, I could be wrong, sued, what's his face over blurred lines because the vibe was similar?
ian crossland
Thick, Robin Thick.
tim pool
Is that his name?
ian crossland
Yeah, Robin Thick.
justin martin
I think it was the vibes.
tim pool
Love it.
That's a good song.
That's something totally different.
The idea that a corporation purchased via agreement from you to write something and now you're mad about it?
ian crossland
What are you complaining about?
They could do it via contract.
Some corporations have old contracts.
tim pool
You have to agree to those terms.
ian crossland
But, like, do you understand what you're agreeing?
I don't think there's.
I used to find these entertainment contracts.
They're like, we own your likeness across all space and time through multiple.
tim pool
How would you agree to it?
ian crossland
Well, it's like, do you want the job?
And these are the contracts.
And you're like, I'm like a 22 year old actor.
unidentified
How do I?
Can I?
ian crossland
This is Hollywood.
Welcome to the 19th century, 20th century contract.
tim pool
What do you have that another company gives you things for free?
unidentified
None.
tim pool
So, why are you complaining that some other company offered you something in exchange for something else?
ian crossland
Because what they're offering says the same thing on paper as what it said 30 years ago.
unidentified
Of a corporation.
ian crossland
It says the same thing on paper that it said 30 years ago, but it means something different now.
tim pool
No, that's not what it means.
ian crossland
Owning your likeness 30 years ago is one thing.
Now you can make AI carbon credits.
tim pool
You were irrelevant to the conversation.
Are you agreeing to sell your likeness?
Yes or no?
ian crossland
You got to define what that means, and it meant something different.
tim pool
So, today, you don't pull up a 30 year old law book to figure out what the contract means.
You go to a lawyer.
And then you agree, yes or no.
And if you agree to it, that's your choice.
You can't be like, yeah, well, I want the job, therefore they should give me beneficial terms.
You're basically saying the government should interfere in the negotiation between me and another entity because I want from them something they don't have to give me.
ian crossland
Well, I think that unethical contracts should not be honored.
tim pool
What's an unethical contract?
Something that offends you?
ian crossland
Something that buys and owns your likeness.
tim pool
That's your opinion.
If an individual voluntarily agrees to those terms, that's their fault.
ian crossland
Doesn't mean it's ethical.
tim pool
Ethical is subjective to you, I guess.
ian crossland
I mean, I've listened to you say that contracts are useless.
tim pool
Indeed.
ian crossland
30 to, no, probably like eight times over the last year.
tim pool
Contracts that go beyond the scope of what a reasonable person expects or agrees to.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
And only if I said to somebody, you will be an artist, we have a right to your likeness to market and portray and do all this art for the span of X amount of time, do you agree?
And they say, yes, that is totally ethical.
ian crossland
You're talking about for the span.
Now that's another, that's a better way to go about it for the span of X amount of years, but across all space and time through all universes is insane.
tim pool
Don't agree to it then.
tate brown
But, and also, like, IP law, if you're like an individual and you want to, like, license your likeness, that benefits you.
Now, now you're in the driver's seat because if there were no IP law in regards to likeness, like, you know, a football player can't control his naming printed on, you know, any piece of merchandise or his photo being put on any trading card.
I would actually say that, you know, it actually benefits the individuals primarily until someone else buys it from them.
You have to agree to it.
ian crossland
Or wants their likeness.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
But people used to sell their children in Rome, like, to pay their slavery debts.
tate brown
Like, I don't want some company, some, Yeah, I mean, if you pay a lawyer and he thumbs through it and then misleads you on what the terms of the IP likeness exchange are, it would be thrown out in court in two seconds.
unidentified
What if the corporate.
tate brown
It would be thrown out in court.
ian crossland
What if mass layoffs receive in the next five years, mass layoffs, 20% unemployment, corporations come in and they're like, we will give you universal basic income if you sign your likeness to us across all space and time.
tim pool
So, wait, wait.
You're saying we would like to purchase from you a thing in exchange for food and resources.
ian crossland
Yeah, we'll license you survival.
tim pool
That's called voluntary exchange.
ian crossland
We'll license you survival if you give us the rights to your likeness.
It seems like you made it.
tim pool
Your survival is not the responsibility of somebody else, you communists.
ian crossland
But they'll license, they'll give you money.
We'll buy, we'll contract your likeness.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
So you sold something to them for money.
ian crossland
We'll buy a 150 year contract from you.
We'll give you $700,000.
You can retire.
tate brown
I did.
unidentified
I did.
ian crossland
Fiat garbage that's worth next to $700,000.
tim pool
Yeah, right, bro.
You can buy a house right now.
tate brown
You can buy a big house.
ian crossland
But as soon as they start throwing away, what are they just, $50 billion Amazon's putting into, like, the money is, how much are they printing?
tim pool
The core of your argument is I should get free stuff from big corporations.
ian crossland
No, it's not.
tim pool
Then why should they give you money?
ian crossland
What the fuck are you talking about?
tim pool
You said they come and offer you $700,000 for your likeness, and that's wrong.
And I'm like, what?
ian crossland
If a corporation comes and tries to, let's say they offer somebody $15,000 because they're destitute and they own their likeness after that.
tim pool
Don't sell it to them.
ian crossland
Tell that to the starving guy who's looking for some lifeline.
We need legal barriers so that that can't happen.
tim pool
You're right.
The starving guy should not be given something of value in exchange for something of value.
He should just die.
ian crossland
Not for his soul, not for his person.
tim pool
It's his choice.
ian crossland
Look.
tim pool
Does he have a choice?
ian crossland
But under duress, it's not really a choice.
tim pool
How is it duress?
ian crossland
Well, if he's starving, would he be starving if the corporation did not exist?
That's a tight question.
tim pool
The answer is yes.
The existence of a corporate entity is not a hindrance to an individual, and an offer is not unethical.
If the individual says, I will take the $15,000, should we just eliminate the corporation and say, nah, starve the nation?
ian crossland
What about all the Chinese corporations that own American farmland?
You're fine with that too.
tim pool
What does that have to do with what we're talking about?
ian crossland
You're talking about corporations buying things and having the right to own them.
tim pool
I mean, what does that have to do with what we're talking about?
ian crossland
Corporations taking the right to own them.
It sounds like you're just changing the subject because we're changing the subject.
Well, no, I'm pointing you how some corporations can buy things unethically.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
So you're supposed to rectify it legally.
Purchasing something legally is not unethical.
It's a voluntary exchange.
ian crossland
It's legal, but that doesn't mean it's good or ethical.
It's legal.
I'm not saying it's.
Were you going to say something, Jess?
justin martin
I was going to say, I could give you concrete examples of where these contracts get squirrely.
In trucking, a lot of these guys that are crashing and killing people right now, they're not employees.
They're all independent, quote unquote, independent contractors.
So they're brought into the country.
They are told to immediately form an LLC, and then that company that's employing them is contracting to them, technically.
unidentified
So.
justin martin
None of these guys speak English.
They don't go to a lawyer.
Everything's presented to them.
tim pool
Completely different issue, but also bad.
justin martin
But we were talking contracts and stuff, and the way my brain works, everything goes to trucking.
So there's actually like a big class action lawsuit against a lot of these trucking companies because these drivers are starting to realize oh, I can take this contract, punch it into ChatGPT, and realize just how much I'm getting ripped off.
Because even the lawyers, the lawyers all work for the trucking companies.
tim pool
Well, the problem we have with illegal immigration has always been these companies basically going to illegal immigrants knowing that they have no legal recourse no matter what they agree to.
Contracts don't exist, basically, because the individuals didn't have legal standing to enter into these contracts to begin with.
Famously, some of these companies would bring in illegal immigrants from Mexico to work in certain factories.
At the end of the month, when pay was due, they'd call INS.
This is back in the day.
They'd call ICE.
Show up, deport them all, pay nothing.
That's a totally different issue.
If one of these people had a contract and they're illegal immigrants or unlawfully working or bunk CDLs, they go to court over this.
They're going to be like, oh, Ice is waiting for you outside.
So the contracts are just fake anyway.
ian crossland
You know, I don't, I'm not like totally against IP law because I think it is reasonable in the right situations, but like owning data is very concerning for the future that we're going towards with like owning the schematics for a gun.
If you then can say, now no one can trade this data online or it will be a felony to send this email to your friend with that information because I own that information.
You can't send that.
That's like, bro, what?
justin martin
And like, that's the whole name of the game in the West you come up with an idea and then you can make money off of your ideas.
How is anyone supposed to make money off of any unique idea that they have if they have no way of protecting those ideas?
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
And if a corporation then buys all those things and then shelves them, it kind of defeats the purpose of the little guy making money off his invention, which was the whole purpose in the common man's mind about why IP works.
justin martin
It doesn't even need to be another corporation, it could just be you and me.
I show you something cool on my laptop and you're like, oh, that's pretty dope.
And then you rip off whatever I'm building.
I have to have some kind of defense to go after you to protect whatever I'm building.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
That's the argument.
Dude, corporations got personhood status.
justin martin
What is corporations or people?
tim pool
What does that mean?
unidentified
That they get.
ian crossland
We should pull up exactly what it means.
tim pool
You should tell us because you're upset about it.
So explain to us without looking it up.
ian crossland
Oh, and I'll look it up and tell you.
tim pool
Oh, because you don't actually know what you're talking about.
ian crossland
You just know that to call a corporation a person is kind of insane.
tim pool
It sounds like you've never actually looked into it and you don't know what it means.
ian crossland
No, I don't know exactly what it means.
tim pool
Because it's called corporate personhood, not a corporation is a person.
So now he's looking it up because he made an argument without understanding what he was talking about.
Let us know when you figure out what you mean.
ian crossland
I'm happy to.
Corporate personhood, the legal concept that corporations are treated as independent entities separate from their owners, managers, and employees, granting them certain legal rights and responsibilities, typically associated with natural persons.
So I'm okay with the independent entity thing.
tim pool
And right.
So corporate personhood means that a corporation is a standing legal entity unto itself, which means it can be fined and penalized in whatever ways you can fine and penalize it for breaking the law.
It means that it can be sued.
It means that it can own property.
That's all it means.
ian crossland
It has speech rights, apparently.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And we are a corporation and we produce news.
ian crossland
George Washington would have said about that, but he would have completely agreed because newspapers exist.
Yeah, the rights to free speech.
tim pool
To be fair, the corporation didn't exist back then for the most part.
But the idea right now is that Tim Cast is a corporation.
The government can't stop Tim Cast from publishing content.
We have the right to produce content.
That's the First Amendment.
See, this is what happens.
Low intelligence and midwits are sitting around to the TV, and someone like Rachel Maddow goes, Corporations are not people.
They're legal entities.
unidentified
And they go, Yeah.
tim pool
And they get all mad about it.
And then people like Ian hear it, and they're like, That should be allowed.
And it's like, Do you even know what you're talking about?
ian crossland
You say it shouldn't be allowed?
This is like the third time you put words in my mouth tonight, dude.
unidentified
Bro.
ian crossland
I don't even know what you're talking about.
unidentified
You're on your team, dude.
tim pool
Did you say it was wrong?
Communism vs Oppression 00:03:29
ian crossland
No, I just don't like the concept.
I'm reading about it now.
tim pool
But you didn't even know what the concept was?
unidentified
Well, they get.
ian crossland
Weird, more legal, like, no, this is again.
Corporate governance, man.
This is the whole point a corporate, they want to undo the United States and they want to set up a global corporate governance.
tim pool
What does that mean?
ian crossland
It means that they want people to be shareholders and stakeholders in their process.
And if you violate their corporate ethos, you lose your free speech, you lose your right to speak, you lose banking, you got to be part of the corporation.
I could go on and on, but I mean, it's the World Economic Forum's modus operandi is corporate serfdom, basically.
tim pool
So corporations exist.
You can choose to work for it, right?
unidentified
Right now.
tim pool
You can choose not to.
See, this is communism, Ian.
I think you need to understand why what you're saying is communism.
You are an individual human being, right?
Yes.
Do you have a right to any other property owned by anybody else?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So if a corporation does not exist, you are not being oppressed, right?
A corporation can't oppress you.
I asked you a question.
ian crossland
It's a deep question because Nestle owns water now.
And if we as humans were like running out of water.
unidentified
I own water.
tim pool
What are you?
ian crossland
If we as humans started to run out of water and Nestle was like, you're not going to have any, we kind of have a right, but it's not a.
Legal right.
tim pool
This is communism.
It's quite literally communism.
The argument of communism is the commons, that the people have a right to the commons.
ian crossland
I mean, arguing against corporatocracy, it's not necessarily.
It doesn't have to be two extremes, but using the government to seize corporate.
unidentified
Let's try this.
tim pool
A man is standing in the middle of a barren planet where nothing exists.
Is he being oppressed?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
On the other side of the planet, a corporation emerges that's producing food and water.
Is he being oppressed?
unidentified
Not this.
tim pool
Okay, he's very hungry, and the corporation says, okay.
Well, because we're the only source of food and water, you can work for us and we'll give you food and water.
Is he being oppressed?
ian crossland
No, not at this face value of the situation.
No, but like, how did the corporation get the water?
Was it his old river that they now.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Like, I don't know.
tim pool
He walked up to them, stood next to the factory, and said, I deserve that water you've got.
And they went, No, it's ours.
We built this.
And he goes, I'm being oppressed by you.
That's your argument.
The existence of luxury is not oppression of the impoverished.
This is communism.
Communists look at a factory and say, I should own that.
Well, no, you had nothing to do with its creation or production.
You don't work there.
They work, they produce things.
You don't get to just have it.
Yeah, well, they're offering me some money for labor.
That's oppression.
Just say no.
Well, no, because I need food.
Then go find food somewhere else.
I can't.
Sounds like that's a you problem.
If you were in the middle of the woods and there was no corporation around, you're not being oppressed.
But the moment someone starts fishing and catches fish, you deserve it?
ian crossland
No, it's like not the moment it happens, but if you're born, say, factory towns, you're familiar with what those are?
Corporate towns, they would set up little towns and then they'd pay them with corporate scrip, and the person would only buy food from the company stores.
unidentified
They'll leave.
ian crossland
Well, that wasn't that easy for people when they're desperate.
tim pool
Neither is surviving in the wilderness.
ian crossland
Yeah, I know, but that's why we.
tim pool
It's not anyone else's responsibility.
ian crossland
We, the people, have created a system to protect ourselves from predatory advancements from corporations, from governments, from foreigners.
tim pool
So, again, do you understand the idea that if there is no factory or corporation, You are not being oppressed, and the existence of it does not oppress you.
Democrats Turning on Each Other 00:15:41
ian crossland
Well, it might.
tim pool
You can leave.
ian crossland
That's easy to say, dude.
tim pool
It's easy to say live in the woods and be naked, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's easy to say that.
tim pool
Would you die, Ian, if you were left in the woods naked with no supplies?
ian crossland
Yeah, maybe, probably.
tim pool
Well, why don't you leave?
Because it's hard?
Well, you have no choice.
You better do it, otherwise, you're going to die.
Why is the existence of someone else's stuff all of a sudden something you're entitled to?
ian crossland
It's not.
Well, first of all, if someone licensed my personality, it's my stuff that they're trying to take.
tim pool
But if you sold it.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
So, all those farmlands is back to that same stupid cyclical argument.
All those American farmlands that are owned by Chinese, that's just, you're cool with it.
tim pool
No, that's a different subject.
unidentified
How?
ian crossland
It's kind of the same subject.
tim pool
It's not.
ian crossland
Corporation legally bought a piece of thing.
unidentified
Sure did.
tim pool
And then at certain scale becomes a threat to national security.
unidentified
Exactly.
ian crossland
At certain scale is the problem.
That's where I'm going.
It's not about IP, it's about the scale of IP.
tim pool
We have an adversary purchasing farmland next to our military installations to spy on our military, and it's different from a guy buying a farmland.
unidentified
But if a food.
ian crossland
If BlackRock bought the personas of every American citizen on birth somehow, that would be something that's like a scale I'm not comfortable with IP.
tim pool
Don't get money, that's not how IP law works.
You can't do that.
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
We have, what are they called?
Those freaking numbers, social security numbers, like they can put you in the system as part of it.
tim pool
You're in the system.
Let's jump to the story from Real Clear Politics.
Carville to Democrats, expand the Supreme Court, make Puerto Rico and D.C. states.
Don't talk about it, just do it.
On the Politics War Room podcast, Carville encouraged Democrats to make Puerto Rico state, expand the Supreme Court to 13 seats if they win.
This is the gameplay for a permanent one party state.
Carville is telling Democrats to do it.
And you know what?
I got to be honest, I think they will.
I think, given the opportunity, Democrats absolutely will pack the court.
I think there may be some squishy Democrats who get in the way.
We saw that with Manchin and Cinema last time.
However, they're not around anymore.
At least Cinema's still around, right?
No, she's gone.
tate brown
She's gone, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought so.
tate brown
It's Gallego and Buzz Lightyear.
tim pool
Buzz Lightyear, that's right.
So, rolling a dice, what do you think is the probability that Democrats are going to just take everything over and Republicans are wiped out forever?
tate brown
It's very high because, I mean, like, here's the difference.
You know, people always make this distinction.
It's very true.
The Republicans are retarded broadly, and then the Democrats are evil.
And I think that is, again, when you look at these types of things, it's true because Republicans will like throw out these grand ideas all the time, and it never actually manifests into policy or it rarely does.
It only happens to the executive, like in Trump's second term.
I mean, any idea that Congress has thrown out there, like the Save Act, is dead.
So it never happens.
The Democrats, on the other hand, like when they propose ideas, they do it with the full intent of delivering on that proposition.
So again, Carvelt, you know, some people are hand waving in this way, and they're saying, well, you know, he's like a, you know, advisor that's kind of on the Fringes of the Democrat Party, as far as like he's not anywhere close to the power structure.
But I actually don't know because, again, I think he's a good thermometer for what the mood of the base is in the Democrat Party.
And I think the Democrat Party going into 2028 really has no appetite to moderate at the moment.
Like, I know on the conservative media, we're like, oh, Gavin Newsom's a shoe in.
But I'm like, hang on, hang on.
If you look at what Democrats are saying, again, normie Democrats are saying, they're all saying the exact same thing.
They're all saying Trump's second term is a fascist takeover of the United States and we need to respond.
We need to meet fire with fire.
Fight fire with fire in this instance and actually go back at them and ensure that this can never happen again.
They're saying during Trump, too, is this can never happen again.
And how do you do that?
You just game the system.
tim pool
I'd predict Democrats are going to win bigly and continually because every time Republicans win, they just don't do anything.
We've got Republicans, the Republicans are in Senate and in the House, and they just aren't doing anything.
Save Act is widely popular and they're just going, yeah, yeah, literally.
tate brown
They just don't have the willpower, I think, for a variety of reasons.
No, I think they're in on it.
Yeah, I mean, I think for a variety of reasons.
I mean, the main one I would say is they've bought into sort of the principles of proper governance, and they don't actually realize that we're sort of in a civilizational battle at the moment.
They don't really, when they saw the Charlie Kirk thing happen, they just went, wow, that's sad.
You know, things happen.
The reaction from all of us in the commentariat and the reaction from the base and really everyone on the right was, oh my gosh, they want to do that to us too.
He was just in the way.
Guys, do something.
And Republicans were like, and Congress were like, wow, that's just a really tragic thing.
You know, bad things tend to happen sometimes just spontaneously.
Anyway, We can't repeal the blue slips because they're part of our government.
We've been using them for decades.
They don't see things in the same way we're seeing things, like, oh my gosh, we're on the precipice of Brazil or South Africa, do something.
They see things as, I've made it to this point and I'm going to make sure that I hold up this form of proper governance and democracy and this beautiful republic and that.
So they don't realize how dire things are.
tim pool
I have a question for you guys.
If it were such that humanity would be destroyed and wiped out through war, conflict, or otherwise, definitively, 100%.
Like someone came to you and said, Look at this irrefutable proof.
You looked at it and you were like, Oh my God, the earth will be destroyed in one year.
And they said, here's the only solution.
And you looked at it and said, wow, that is definitively the only solution.
But that solution was totalitarian government.
Would you allow it?
tate brown
Yeah.
unidentified
I guess.
tate brown
I mean, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
So.
tim pool
What if that's what is going on politically?
Yeah.
And I'm not saying just of the Democrats.
I'm saying the political machinations are largely that for some reason they're like, we're going to have World War III, nuclear annihilation.
Here's the only way to avert it.
And that means the media is going to be full of lies and manipulations and narrative control.
Otherwise, the people are going to just massacre each other and the world ends.
ian crossland
I think that's the thought process.
I'm still a chaotic nightmare.
You need chaos, dude.
You have to be able to break the order.
I understand chaos is terrible.
Real chaos is one of the most horrible things we could ever face as an animal.
But totalitarian and evil order is genocide in a can.
You can't do it.
You need to be able to break systems when they go evil by corrupting them with chaos.
So that's where I disagree with the ordered technocrats.
But that's why our American system is so great because you can vote in new people that corrupt the system.
You can change the laws and repeal the laws which corrupt the system internally without destroying it.
It's like a self corruptible system.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
tate brown
I mean, that's kind of the, I guess what a lot of people point out the fault with democracy is that it works really well when the government is broadly benevolent or broadly accountable to the people.
But then as soon as there's that incentive structure, right, is broken, as soon as there's a block in between the government, how they operate, and then the voters, right, like the people, then that's when you end up in these situations where you effectively have an autocracy, but then you don't actually have.
Any leverage you can pull to get rid of it.
I mean, like, you know, you had these throughout Europe, throughout, you know, for centuries, I mean, you would have like massive upheaval, you know, you would have these kings overthrown and these sorts of things.
And that was recourse that was actually fairly accessible.
Like, it would take very small militias to go in and just, you know, topple a government, where now it's basically impossible.
People can't organize, people can't really do anything.
The only recourse you have is at the ballot box.
But when you're locked in a two party system, or even in Europe, we have parliamentary systems, but that's dominated, you know, primarily by like neoliberals, you don't really have any recourse.
There's not really any options you do have.
The best you can do is, again, push the party that is, Broadly similar to your ideology, and then push them in the direction that you want them to go.
That's what we've seen with Trump.
You know, you had people outflanking the Republican Party on the right by and large.
And so when Trump came along, they're like, okay, finally, this is a chance to sort of reform the Republican Party.
And I think the Democrats are in that moment right now, where I think the Democrats are outflanking their establishment to the left and they want to push the Democrat Party to the left.
So you're going to see that play out in the next primary cycle because that's the only recourse you have.
tim pool
You know, the reason I asked this question is that Democrats, that's what they think.
They think democracy is over.
Trump's a fascist dictator.
We must do whatever it takes to protect humanity from being destroyed by Donald Trump.
And if that means stealing elections, if that means redistricting in Virginia, if that means arresting anybody in our path or even blowing up Tesla facilities, they will do it.
tate brown
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, they literally say it all the time.
They say it out loud.
And they have a particular issue with Trump.
The reason why Trump draws so much ire is because he disturbed the status quo by and large.
You know, people can argue, like, how effective has he been at disrupting the status quo?
I'd say, Quite effective.
But that's why he draws the most ire from the Democrat Party is not because he's the most radical, not because he's the most, you know, out of the box or unorthodox, but it's because he's the most effective way.
He's been the most effective vehicle thus far in disrupting the status quo.
And so now they're reacting.
Now they're saying, oh my gosh, we got to extinguish this fire.
What's the phrase that's like, you're going to kill a squirrel with a bazooka?
That's basically what they're going to do here.
Is they're going to essentially.
tim pool
Hold on.
That sounds pretty fun.
tate brown
Yeah, that would be pretty.
tim pool
Now, only if it's a bad squirrel, like a rabid one or something, you know, you don't want to be just killing them.
tate brown
And it's Fortunately, in this regard, we're talking about Western civilization.
tim pool
The squirrel or the bazooka?
tate brown
The squirrel is Western civilization.
It's on the line here.
Well, I guess that would be the stakes, would be Western civilization.
I guess Trump would be the squirrel.
tim pool
Like if you had, like, a, you know, groundhogs are, they, I got to be careful here.
So make sure you fact check this one.
But I was told by a local that you're required to kill groundhogs.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Really?
Because they're nuisances that destroy the foundations near buildings and like that, like when they dig.
carter banks
I was told the same thing, actually.
Yeah, like, hole digging and stuff.
tim pool
Yup, you can't just move them.
They have to be killed.
And, you know, if you had no choice and you're on a large enough property, I mean, a bazooka would be the most fun way to make it.
tate brown
Yeah, but then it takes out your whole property.
And, like, in this instance, the Democrat Party perceives Trump as a nuisance.
And so they're going to take out the whole company.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The guys at the gun shop told me to buy 17 Super Mag.
And I said, well, why?
And they were like, well, that's what it's for.
You know, and I was like, what'll it do?
And it was like, turn them into pink mist.
And I was like, oh, that sounds horrible.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's my concern, Tate, is that.
The people have been radicalized, whether to become one of Trump's acolytes or to be one of his haters, to the point where they will throw away the American Republic to try and defeat a perceived enemy.
And whether that enemy is real or not, they're willing to.
That's so crazy because that would be the obvious way to destroy the United States is to get the people to turn on each other.
tate brown
Well, you have to look at like going through the Obama era into the beginning of the Trump era is like we, I think the American people by and large realize there is a systematic issue.
Something needs to change.
Something needs to give here.
So I actually almost sympathize with the far left because they're seeing the same thing I'm seeing, which is the very basic fact that yes, this is broken.
Yes, this isn't working.
Now, obviously, their applications are completely out of line and they would probably get me out of the, you know, get rid of me if they had the option.
But at least I can concede that.
Okay, they've also seen the same thing that I'm seeing, which is we need a radical change in this country.
We need a new paradigm.
unidentified
Sort of.
tim pool
Wait, wait, real quick.
Fact check.
I had it mixed up.
It's raccoons, not groundhogs.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tate brown
That makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
We were warned about raccoons for foundations and trees and stuff, but they can be relocated with certain permissions.
Raccoons, on the other hand, yeah, it's got to be humanely dispatched, it says.
Humanely.
ian crossland
Man, those things.
justin martin
Fearless.
tate brown
Yeah.
ian crossland
I want to love them, but they're bandits.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
But well, they're rabies vectors, yeah.
tate brown
You, I mean, like you know, like I said, going into the Trump era, you had mass migration on you know, basically unfettered for 50, 60 years.
That's going to put a lot of pressure on the markets, put a lot of pressure on people's livelihoods.
I mean, you saw purchasing power has declined slightly, but if you look at some metrics like the housing market, I mean, the housing is completely detached from earnings, from real wages.
So housing has gone up exponentially, and that's like the number one thing people are going to need.
That's the number one thing where someone can measure how well they've done in life is like, what's their house like?
Is their house pleasant?
They have a pleasant environment.
That's how you determine how well you're doing in life, that's sort of the score.
Is like, oh, my environment's quite pleasant.
That means I'm doing fairly well for myself.
And so people go crazy when you sort of eliminate obvious indicators of their prosperity.
And that's the number one, as I see it.
ian crossland
I align with the far left's diagnosis of the problem, which is the corporatocracy.
But that's about it.
I'm not a communist.
I understand that property rights are super important.
tim pool
Because corporatocracy is communist fake nonsense.
ian crossland
Corporatocracy is where the corporation takes the property, they want to own it.
So it's kind of like a communist.
tim pool
What do you mean, take it by force?
unidentified
Buy it legally.
Oh, buy it.
ian crossland
They get the government to make it legal to buy, and then they buy it.
So, they buy property and they're like, hey, we did it legally.
Therefore, it's ethical.
And you're like, oh, wait, no, there is the mistake.
tate brown
The issue with that is like, I agree.
I mean, there is some degree of like, you know, cronyism has like decimated a lot of aspects of like American life.
But you're always going to have an elite.
Like in every society, every civilization, there's always an elite.
There's nothing you can do about that.
So, when you adopt the framing of like, it's us versus the elite, the problem is that like we'll naturally push you into Marxism.
Just again, because that's going to be the inherent conclusion of, well, how do I flatten this hierarchy?
unidentified
Right?
tate brown
There's a hierarchy.
Some people are elite and some people aren't.
How do I flatten?
How do I make everyone equal in this sense?
And that's going to naturally, you're naturally going to end up with Marxism.
ian crossland
Because the other idea is you become so wealthy that you become elite.
But then Kanye West, for instance, says you get to a point and then the people that actually own and run the banks ice you out.
And you're like, you're not one of us.
You're not getting beyond 80 billion.
That's it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tate brown
I mean, that's kind of the problem is like, okay, how rigid is the elite?
Like, can people move up and out and move in?
I mean, you see these like legacy families like the Vanderbilt.
I mean, the descendants of the Vanderbilt.
When Anderson Cooper was born, I mean, he's part of the Vanderbilt family, but they really didn't have that much going for it.
So he kind of like is the first Vanderbilt to like truly be.
Look at the Kennedys.
I mean, like three, four generations.
tim pool
I mean, yeah.
Anderson Cooper, he did an internship with the CIA for a couple of years, then just became a prominent personality in American mainstream media where he's on every single night and has been for 20 years.
tate brown
But I mean, as far as like him inheriting that like Vanderbilt wealth, like it didn't really happen.
So, like, we used to have, I'm saying this as examples, we used to have a system where actually there was a lot of churn in the elite and that was kind of a very natural thing.
That was a very good thing.
Where now I do, I do see what you're saying is like there is a lot more rigidity.
And the elite, this is a truly elite class in America, and that does indicate some issues.
tim pool
Ian, I have an offer for you.
I will buy 10 acres, you know, you can live on it.
There will be no housing, no structures, no power, nothing, and you will be free and you'll be bothered by no one.
Would you like that opportunity?
unidentified
No.
Why not?
ian crossland
I mean, it sounds deadly.
tim pool
What's deadly about it?
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Without shelter.
tim pool
Life is your responsibility.
So build shelter?
ian crossland
I'm getting my basic needs.
I got to focus on my basic needs first.
tim pool
Yes, so build a shelter.
That's your responsibility.
ian crossland
Build the shelter.
tim pool
Yeah, like every other human being for 30,000 years did.
ian crossland
Take me some time.
tim pool
So, how would you expect to have shelter then if you don't put it together?
ian crossland
So, I could either find one that's already constructed or pay someone to help me or just give it to someone.
tim pool
No, you can't pay someone.
They'd be oppressing you.
unidentified
What's that?
tim pool
I mean, you're desperate for shelter, right?
ian crossland
Well, I mean, I'm not at the moment.
If I was, it might be a different argument.
tim pool
Yeah, you need shelter.
If you were outside and heading to home, would you be desperate for shelter?
ian crossland
Yeah, probably, yeah.
tim pool
But if you'd have to give away your money to somebody in exchange for that shelter, they would be oppressing you.
ian crossland
It depends on how.
tim pool
They come to you and they say, I own a building.
You can live in it, but you got to give me stuff.
Water Source Ownership Rights 00:09:11
ian crossland
Like if there was a piece of river land that someone owned and that's the water source, and he's like, Hey, you can all live on my property, but I get access to your firstborn child.
People would be like, We're going to revolt against that guy.
tim pool
Yeah, firstborn child.
That's human trafficking.
That's a crime.
ian crossland
Yeah, like if the corporate owner starts to do insane stuff, whether legal or not.
tim pool
That's called crimes.
ian crossland
Whether it's legal or not, when it's insane, that's when the people might say this is unethical and they might rise up against the owner.
tim pool
The problem we have, I think, largely.
Is the insistence among many lower-ordered thinkers that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor.
That is the modern condition.
ian crossland
I don't know if entitled is the right word.
It's like some things you have to have to survive.
And if anybody, through threat of force or whatever, prevents you from it, like some of the basics, you know, if you're prevented from clean water, who's preventing you from going to Nestle just bought a bunch of water sources?
So, like, if a corporation's like, look, you have to play our game to drink our water, you're like, come on, at some point.
tim pool
I own private water.
ian crossland
Well, that could become a very dangerous scale.
tim pool
Should I be allowed to own the water on the property?
Or should someone be allowed to come and take it from me because they're a person who needs water?
ian crossland
I guess, you know, that piece of land, I don't know how it works exactly.
You have a piece of a river that flows off property?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
There's a creek that runs on this property, and we have a creek that drains into a pond on the property, and I own the land.
So that water is mine.
ian crossland
I assume you can't, there are things you can't do, even though it's water.
tim pool
Indeed, there are crimes.
I can't like dump oil into it because it flows off site.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But I can trench the creek and make a pool.
ian crossland
You can dam it up completely?
tim pool
I don't know that you can dam it completely.
We could trench it and then create a pool so the water fills it up, and then it keeps flowing.
And then we have a body of water on the property.
ian crossland
There's limitations of how you can handle it because it's water.
If it was like rocks, if you bought rocks on your property, no one's going to make all these things.
tim pool
We have an aquifer.
ian crossland
But if it was like a not a basic need thing, like it wasn't water, I think that that would be a good idea.
tim pool
So, how about our groundwater?
We have a well pump that pulls the aquifer we own.
It is part of the land and we have access to it.
Beneath that, there's mineral rights.
I think we own that too, actually.
Sometimes they're separate.
Surface rights and mineral rights could be different.
There's not really any minerals in West Virginia, at least in this area.
So, typically people still retain their mineral rights.
If somebody was like, I am thirsty, you must give me access to your well.
Should I be like, okay, you can come onto my private land?
You have to be able to.
ian crossland
No, but if there was no water in the 10 mile radius, then yes.
tim pool
Then, so if I move out to the middle of a desert where there's no human beings and there is a small plot of land with a water source and nobody's there at all, right?
So I file the registration and I say, we're going to be setting up a little factory here.
There's no one around for miles.
Now, with this factory, I'm producing some food and farming from that water.
People start showing up because there's food and water, and they go, I deserve that.
Should I have to give it to them?
ian crossland
Well, they're going to say, I need that.
tim pool
Indeed.
And my response is, go somewhere else.
Why did you come here?
ian crossland
To work at your factory?
tim pool
No, they just started showing up and they said, hey, look, there's water here.
Let's come to this guy's place now that he's producing food and he's got water.
ian crossland
Well, that's different than if there's a community there and you own the water source and there's people living there and working there.
You have kind of a right and a duty to protect and supply the water to the people.
tim pool
What does that mean?
Like they come and the city voluntarily sells the rights to an aquifer to a company?
ian crossland
I don't know why it happens.
I don't know why a corporation would ever own a water source.
It's crazy.
tim pool
I am a corporation that owns a water source.
What are you talking about?
ian crossland
You own land, but.
tim pool
My corporation owns land, and that land controls a water source.
Because I want to protect my right to that water.
We chose land with water on it specifically so that me and my family and the people who work here could have water if we ever needed it.
So we intentionally said we want access to water if we're going to buy land for emergencies.
unidentified
Control.
tim pool
Now, if there's an emergency, strange people can show up with guns and be like, nope, it's our water now.
Certainly they can try.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
tim pool
I mean, but that's, I know.
Now, if they came out on the door and said we would be willing to trade for you for access to your water because we're desperate, I'd say absolutely.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's different scenarios for how you would handle water sources, I suppose.
Because their needs, it's such a basic need.
tim pool
This is the debate Jay Dyer was having here.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it was effectively that if a company goes to the middle of nowhere, invests money, brings in supplies, and builds a company town, it's communism now.
And it's like, in the most technical of senses, sure, but it's all voluntary.
You choose to come and work for the company town, and if at any point you don't want to, you can just pack up and leave.
The response from communists about the United States is that it's too hard to live any other way.
Well, I agree.
It is certainly easier to work as a cashier at McDonald's than it is to forage in the woods and build shelter and survive in the wilderness.
So you can make the choice.
Then many people say, well, it's no choice because, you know, if you go, they'll arrest you.
Bro, I am telling you, there are a lot of homeless people that choose to be homeless and they are taken care of and they get free stuff.
Like, you don't have to do anything in the society.
ian crossland
So you can make a choice.
Kind of speaking about the Chinese model, I just saw a story today that I don't know how many tens of thousands of people are homeless because they failed their social credit score.
They said the wrong words online, so they lost access to their bank and now they live on the street.
I got a question.
All by choice, they could always leave, but like, can they?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
I don't know.
Leave China?
tim pool
I don't know how much.
No, they can go to the wilderness.
I have a question for you.
ian crossland
In China, go to the wilderness?
I mean, that's just doing it to their population.
tim pool
So, with deer population, we know that when deer population reach environmental equilibrium, they all suffer.
That is, the deer eat all available food until there's not enough food yet for the entire population.
They become sick and starving and they all suffer.
So, what we then say is, the deer need to be culled.
We intentionally, as humans, hunt the deer, killing the bucks, so that the food supply can regrow and the deer now have full bellies.
So, I suppose the question is understanding this nature of reality, do you believe it is conducive or it is functional for human society to allow those who do not produce enough to survive to be subsidized and reproduce?
ian crossland
Me personally?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
What do you think, Tate?
Should humans subsidize families and populations that do not have the capability to provide for themselves?
tate brown
I mean, in a vacuum, no, but it's going to be a result of democracy every single time.
Why would a minority group voluntarily sign away their sort of economic?
tim pool
Well, I'm not talking about that.
I'm just saying functionally.
tate brown
Like in a vacuum, yeah.
tim pool
So what do you think?
justin martin
It's kind of what we're doing already.
I mean, if you.
tim pool
All right.
So you have people that cannot provide enough for themselves to survive.
Should the society just provide for them and allow, and there you go.
Should they provide for them?
tate brown
I think, like, in instances of like mental handicap or sort of any handicap, like it's justifiable, but that's obviously like an exception, not disproving the norm.
ian crossland
And temporary provisions, I understand, like a year and a half of unemployment, stuff like that, but.
tim pool
Well, that's different.
That's emergency relief, permanent subsidy.
So the end result of subsidization of families, and I don't mean humans, and just in general, of populations that can't produce enough to sustain themselves, is that.
You will expand that.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
So if you have 10 people, five overproduce and five underproduce, so you take from the five to give to them to create equilibrium, they all die.
They all suffer.
They're miserable.
Maybe fighting breaks out.
Yeah.
Now, for us, with technological advancement, we've staved a lot of that off.
But now I think it's one of the reasons the Malthusians wanted to curtail population growth and they advocated things like abortion.
There was this post that I was reading about UBI.
I did a video on it talking about how this guy believes that in the future, We will come to realize that advocating for abortion, soft euthanasia, was actually the merciful way to deal with people who are consumers and can't produce for themselves.
Outside of any moral issue, there is a question of we know in nature if you subsidize a population that can't sustain itself, you will create a population that becomes destitute and eventually just dies without your assistance.
That's why we have signs everywhere saying, do not feed wild animals.
We as human civilization intentionally do this.
So, we are ever expanding every day the population of people that can't actually survive on their own.
And I mean adapting for technology.
Like, knowing that life is getting easier and easier every single day, there are people who are a greater and greater detriment, right?
Like, the average American right now would not survive a thousand years ago.
They just lack the skills to even start a fire.
But technology and social cooperation has made it so these people can survive.
Adapting to that, there are people who are capable of going and getting a job and providing for the system enough to get an output.
There are people today that are still worse than that and can do literal nothing.
Adoption vs Biological Motherhood 00:14:47
ian crossland
Yuval Noah Harari, who works with the World Economic Forum, calls them useless eaters, literally his quote.
Calls these people useless eaters that they consume, they don't produce enough.
tim pool
Is he wrong?
ian crossland
Well, that's a good question.
tim pool
Is an individual who only consumes through welfare and provides nothing to the system a useful or useless person?
ian crossland
They're not technically useless in totality, but they're relatively useless.
They still produce heat.
You know, their bodies produce heat.
You might be able to get something out of their body.
tim pool
Yeah, line them up on the walls and you'll keep your hallway on the ground.
ian crossland
They require food to produce that heat.
So you're going to.
tim pool
I want to grab at least one more segment.
Let's grab this from AOL.
The gay dad has broken his silence over the backlash over him mocking the surrogate baby crying for mama.
So you may have seen this video.
I'm sure you did, where the man is holding up the baby and the baby cries for mama.
We talked about it last night.
I'm going to play.
Actually, this is a different video.
I want to play that video for you.
Let me see if I can pull it up.
I pulled the wrong one.
Well, let's play this right now, and you can get some context on another video he made.
And we'll play this one first.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
Yeah, you are.
Yeah, because you have a brother.
Yeah, and you have a sister.
Yeah, and you have two puppies and two dads.
Oh.
tim pool
And it just froze on me.
Great.
That's what happens.
The stream is working, but the.
unidentified
Yeah.
justin martin
Thanks, Michael.
unidentified
You're such a happy boy.
Yeah, you are.
Dads.
tim pool
And now the babies.
Homophobic baby, it says.
Here's the video that went viral.
unidentified
Who do you want?
shane mcanally
Dada or Pop?
unidentified
Nope.
shane mcanally
Do you want Dada or Pop?
No way, Jose!
unidentified
I think.
Oh.
shane mcanally
There is no mama.
unidentified
I'm so sorry.
You have Dada and Pop.
You have Pop.
shane mcanally
Two choices: no mama.
unidentified
Mama.
shane mcanally
No, mama.
tim pool
I implore you all to share that with women in your life because it's radicalizing.
And anyway, he responded.
He said he shared the clip to be self deprecating as he and Baum found it funny that while most babies find it easier to say dada, their baby went with mama.
Okay, so just those that don't know, the reason why babies say dada first is because babies spend more time with their mothers, and mothers make references to dad more often than dads make references to mom.
To be fair, it's entirely possible that moms and dads reference each other equally, but as long as the baby is with mom more often, the repetition of mom saying, Where's dad?
That's dad.
Babies go da, da, da first.
They do say da, da and mama with comparable frequency, slightly leaning towards da, da for that reason.
So I think the reason the baby is saying mama is because they were telling it over and over again, No mama, no mama.
And so it started repeating what they were saying as they made references to mama.
Seeing them laugh and say there's no mama feels cold.
And that is an ad commented under the video, while another called McAnally and Baum cold blooded criminals for depriving the child of a motherly bond.
Now we've got a couple posts.
Matt Walsh responded to the homophobic baby story saying, This story is horrifying.
It's also a direct result of the legalization of gay marriage, in quotes.
If you're willing to pretend that two men can be married, then there's no reason to object to the equally grotesque farce of two men pretending to be parents.
To which I responded, and I think I have to go back a couple times.
No, where's that post?
unidentified
Was it here?
tim pool
I said, two men approach a woman and ask her to become pregnant by one of them, and they will then pay her to take the child from her.
I see no functional difference between this and a woman just offering to sell her child outright.
It's a semantic debate by degenerates that want people to be allowed to sell children and an effort to devalue human life.
Now, Brandon Strzok has chimed in, triggering the debate.
He said, 3,000 births every year are through surrogacy, and the majority of them are heterosexual couples.
Tim, why don't you call out surrogacy in general since you feel so strongly about this?
Seems silly to focus on the small pool of gay couples using a surrogate when a much larger swath of people are doing the same thing who aren't gay.
So, what's up with that?
My response to Brandon was, What did I say?
I do keep up.
You're confusing a current news cycle for the scope of my arguments on the issue.
To which he responded, But it's only news because they are gay.
If you feel so strongly about this, you should go stick microphones and cameras in the faces of thousands of straight people who are doing the same thing every single day.
Indeed, whoever filmed, there was a viral story where a guy was asking a gay couple with a baby about surrogacy.
And about child molestation, and they started punching him and beating the crap out of him.
And another guy came up and threatened to murder the guy.
And now we're getting many individuals defending him, even people on the right.
So I will just say this for Brandon a woman who doesn't want to carry a baby, so she hires another woman to birth that child.
That's wrong.
That's creepy.
I don't think it should be allowed.
A woman who cannot bear children on her own and needs assistance to do so, I also think is wrong, but.
As someone who is not a staunch conservative, I'd be willing to make certain exceptions for a woman who wants to have a kid but physically cannot do it.
That's a struggle.
I'm not a big fan of it, but I'm willing to have a debate on the issue.
ian crossland
What about an older woman, like in her 50s or 60s?
tim pool
Same issue.
I think surrogacy itself is wrong.
I'm only trying to be somewhat compassionate to a woman who would normally do a natural birth but physically cannot for some reason, and she wants to have a child.
The problem is a child grown in the mother is attached to that mother, there's a chemical bond.
The child that nurses off that mother sends chemical signals back and forth.
This is all very important for the child's development.
So, any individual that pays a woman to give birth and then hand that child over is human trafficking, in my opinion.
unidentified
What about?
tim pool
And my point is this if a woman gave birth and a gay guy said, I'll give you 20 grand for that baby, that would be a felony.
But if before, right before she gives birth, he says, I'll give you 20 grand for the baby, that's surrogacy?
ian crossland
Or if she gives the baby to an adoption center and then the guy's like, hey, adoption center, I'll give you 20 grand for the baby.
It's the same.
tim pool
Yeah, that's just solicitation.
That's just a loophole.
So, yes, to Brandon Strzok, I think it is all bad.
I think it is substantially worse because, in the instance of many gay surregacies, the female surrogate is actually providing her own eggs, meaning the baby is biologically hers.
Now, it is one million times worse if gay men or anybody goes to a clinic and receives a donated egg and then uses their sperm to fertilize a random woman's egg they purchased.
To be gestated in a different random woman.
Now we're talking man made horrors beyond your comprehension level stuff.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, that's why it's funny.
Like Brandon Strachey is in his bio, former liberal, but he's like regurgitating like left wing boilerplate, which is just hilarious in this instance.
In addition to that, no, it is, yeah, to your point, I believe, yeah, gay adoption or gay surrogacy is significantly worse.
I mean, I would broadly be against surrogacy anyway, but no, I'm comfortable saying gay couples, you know, participating in surrogacy is far worse because I do think you do have the right to a father and mother.
This is why when people end up in instances of single parenthood, everyone acknowledges this is not the optimal condition to be raised in.
Everyone can acknowledge, even if it turns out well, like I know this situation very well.
It's still everyone can concede that it is sort of a tragic situation to be in because everyone knows that having a father and a mother will provide the best outcome for the child.
And then there's no limiting principle on gay adoption.
Okay, if you have gay adoption, why is it just two parents?
That's just arbitrary at that point.
Because the whole purpose of monogamy is saying it's a man and a woman.
With a gay couple, why not?
That means three dads must be even better.
That must mean four dads is even better.
Because again, they would acknowledge that a single father is sort of tragic, but two fathers, that's fine.
So then why not three fathers?
Why not four fathers?
What's the limiting principle here?
It's just completely arbitrary.
You're just completely warping the concept of monogamy, completely warping the sense of, again, a couple, of marriage, of child.
Everything about it is just fundamentally broken and it's going to cave in on itself as it already is.
tim pool
This leads to one direction.
This leads to one conclusion.
That is, Womb factories, baby factories, they're going to grow human beings in bags.
We are moving towards a society where a woman who wants to be a mother but is a girl boss goes to a facility where they take an egg and the husband's sperm and they say, We will grow the baby for you in this artificial womb.
We will send you progress reports and they'll get emails being like, Oh, baby's growing.
They actually made a movie about this that was really bad because it had no ending and I am sick.
I am warning you, Hollywood.
If you keep making movies with only two acts, I will come for you.
And fix those movies.
But they made a movie and it was about a woman who wants to have a kid, but she has a job she can't leave.
So she buys an artificial womb where they put the fertilized embryo in it.
And then you put like food packs on top that the baby then eats and consumes.
That's where we're going.
That's the point of all of this.
So I will just say in response to my post, Heidi Briones says 90% of surrogacy is gestational, meaning the surrogate is not the biological mother.
I asked, where do gay men get the egg from in gay surrogacy?
Egg donor.
Different woman, like sperm donors from an egg bank.
That's substantially worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That is like, now I'm just like, okay, ban it all.
Just ban it all.
Like, you're telling me that a guy went to a store and bought some random woman's egg, grew a baby, that baby has no mother, was a different egg born.
Now we're, now we're, holy crap, I am just done with this.
Ban it all.
ian crossland
It seems like adoption.
It seems more like adoption than.
unidentified
No.
tate brown
No, because adopted kids are still aware that, like, okay, I do have biological parents out there somewhere.
And the reason that it was surrendered was for like some sort of tragic reason.
tim pool
An emergency, an abusive family, the parents died or passed.
This is, we're going to grow a child intentionally in a different woman she's unrelated to and then pay her to hand it over.
I think all of these people should be in prison.
tate brown
Yeah, like adoption is a break glass in case of emergency situation.
This is like purposely creating the conditions that lead to an adoption without like the prerequisite.
tim pool
We're going designer babies.
Like the next step in all of this is going to be like, well, who cares?
We can gene edit the babies.
unidentified
Why not?
tim pool
Then you're going to have a bunch of weird, like little baby Arnolds walking around.
They're all just ripped.
ian crossland
Yeah, it seems weird now, but the generation that grows up with it will be totally cool with it.
tim pool
Then, my fear of what's going to happen is we're going to genetically engineer a bunch of people because we have no, like, look at what they're already doing.
tate brown
An eliminating principle.
tim pool
These people are going to be smarter, faster, and stronger than the average person, which is going to create a threat to governance on the Earth.
And we're going to then isolate these people and freeze them and launch them into orbit because we have no idea what else to do.
And then, when in 100, 200 years from now, when like a starship is flying through space and they accidentally find these, they're going to open it up and the dude's going to try and take over the world and kill Spock.
ian crossland
Oh, that's who that was.
That's who that was.
That Cybok, uh, that was Khan.
Yeah, or they'll they're gonna land on Jor-L or whatever that Superman planet was and get superpowers and come back a thousand years later, dude.
I think we're going full designer, baby.
I'm into it.
tate brown
Do you think they're gonna create like a super trucker out of this?
justin martin
I'm thinking Elon Musk is like booting up a fetus X startup right now, just populate Mars.
tate brown
Yeah, because you could like optimize for the perfect trucker, you know, like you know, I could see it now, like Jack Lynx, that just like animate, just like they get fired up.
justin martin
Has no arms or legs.
He's literally just like mind-boggling with a truck, beef jerky in one end, poop out the other end.
ian crossland
I was going to say call it fetus, F-E-T-U-X, but people call it fetus.
They wouldn't use the S as silent like Xavier, they feed us.
justin martin
He is very concerned about the underpopulation going forward.
tate brown
Yeah, I know.
I'm like, is this how they're going to backstop it when the populist kind of upheaval of the immigration system takes root and then these companies look around?
They're like, we still need cheap labor.
If we're not careful here, I'm usually hesitant to go to worst-case scenario, but in this instance, I'm like, that actually seems.
Pretty realistic, actually, is that again when they start feeling the pinch on labor instead of what paying workers more?
No, they're just going to say, Well, let's just spawn people, like let's go to clone army.
ian crossland
But what they're going to do is they're going to be like, We're going to design your baby just like you like it, but we're going to own the rights to that baby's persona.
And then they're going to gestate it for you.
They're going to try and do that anyway.
tim pool
I agree.
They're going to create templates like genetic profiles that you'll license and that they'll own the IP to that profile.
That's what another reason why I'm like, Dude, this IP's and they will say things like, If you agree to these terms, in the event your baby goes on to be a movie star, we're entitled to 5%.
And parents will agree in the long run.
ian crossland
If he's an athlete, we're taking 10% of his earnings.
They'll be the manager, you know.
We'll manage this kid's life and all that.
tate brown
You already saw a little bit during the Olympics some of the stars, if you dug into their background, they were sort of conceived through surrogacy or conceived through surrogacy, sort of like where they could control for parents with the best genetics.
I won't say which names, but there were like prominent athletes that were sort of like test tube babies, quite literally selecting for the best genetic traits.
tim pool
Send the video of the baby saying mama to every woman in your life, every single one.
And don't provide any context.
Don't say you hate these men.
Just be like, hey, I want you to, oh, this video, you got to see it.
And then see their reaction because I will tell you, as I have shown many women this video, they immediately start welling up.
Yeah.
Because they understand.
And what I think is for a lot of these, a lot of people defending this, they have no kids.
Yeah.
The only thing I saw when I watched that video was imagining my daughter crying for mama if something, heaven forbid, happened to my wife and she was no longer around.
And someone, like, let's say somehow, you know, Alice and I were out of the picture through some tragedy, knock on wood, and then someone, You know, some guy is with her and she's saying, Mama, and he's laughing, being like, No, Mama, no.
I'm just like, The nightmarish reality of that, the horrifying torture for that poor child.
The reality is this whether or not that baby actually meant Mama, like I want my mother, sure, make the argument babies don't actually understand what these words mean.
We reinforce it.
That baby knows what a mom is.
Human babies nurse.
They want to.
It is instinctive that the baby is looking for its mother, whatever you think, and it can't find it.
It's going to create massive trauma.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I mean, we're all former babies at this table, I presume, all of us here.
Gay Parents and Child Safety 00:04:13
tim pool
Not Ian.
He was grown in the lab.
Yeah.
justin martin
I came right out of the box.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I'm just like, without my mother, I mean, like, what, two, two, my dad was awesome, but that was because he had my mom to compliment him.
If it was like two versions of my dad, I'd be like a train wreck.
justin martin
How long has gay adoption been around?
Because I, in my early 20s, I had a friend who had two moms and he grew up.
To be like, you know, normal, okay guy.
Is it different when it's like two women raising a baby versus two guys?
I think the difference is two guys raising the baby.
tate brown
No, actually, two moms that have a slightly better outcome, but it's still marginal, I would still.
tim pool
No, I think the stats are inverted, actually.
I think the stats that we see.
So the one thing I will say is this a lot of people keep pushing that gay parents who adopt or have surrogates are more likely to molest the children.
I've looked at this.
I don't believe those stats bear out.
To be fair, they always try to play with the numbers, but it seems to be one for one like molesters are molesters.
I think this has to do with the fact that there are people who molest children who were molested, and it does create a cycle.
So many people have this presumption that there's a relation then between two gay married men.
Not that I'm saying I'm a fan of it.
However, the stats that I did see show that two women's households are substantially more dysfunctional.
More instances of domestic violence.
The highest rates of domestic violence are among lesbian couples, as well as dysfunction for the children, child abuse.
Child abuse is higher among lesbian couples than two men or a man and a woman.
tate brown
Yeah, there was.
tim pool
At least that's what I saw.
unidentified
I don't know.
tate brown
There was a study through the University of Texas, and they tracked the outcomes of like 3,000 children in these environments.
And it was like the children of lesbian couples had welfare participation rates that's like 70% versus 17% from the control group.
The gay fathers actually was lower.
So that may be true that actually gay fathers, maybe that you would have a better result.
But again, compared to heterosexuals, it's just like not even comparable.
ian crossland
Is there any evidence about dysfunctionality coming from surrogacy with like a man and a woman as the parent?
tate brown
The thing is, the surrogacy thing is so new that it's going to be a while before we see the results.
I would imagine like crazy mental illnesses because you do see sort of examples of that.
But at least like the data is coming in now where initially people were like, see, they're the same.
It's like because we're looking at eight year olds.
Like, of course, eight year olds are similar.
tim pool
Don't women who have gestational surrogacy have to take a bunch of drugs to prevent rejection?
tate brown
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a big problem.
It's like heavily dependent on pharmaceuticals.
And then I was even seeing like postpartum, the postpartum depression and that sort of thing among surrogate mothers is like insane.
Like, I mean, it's really grim.
I don't even want to get into it because it's disturbing, but it's like the postpartum disorders that would come from a woman who has to surrender her child through surrogacy is mental.
You see all these different stories about these women, some of the things they do afterwards, and it's quite horrific.
tim pool
Well, there's also the stories of the women who the gay men wanted her to get an abortion.
Remember this one?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The woman was pregnant, and they said that there was a risk of, you know, like Down syndrome or something.
They're like, abort it.
unidentified
And she's like, no.
tim pool
And they were like, you have to.
It's ours, and we're requiring you to do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
And I believe she had zero legal recourse either.
I think it was like, nope, that's theirs.
justin martin
I'm curious about these rates of postpartum depression if these women had like children of their own.
So I talked to my sister about this years and years ago.
And if like having babies was a job, my sister would be like the LeBron James of having babies for people.
She just, she's one of those women who just loved being pregnant.
She's got four boys of her own.
And she was like, I would be a surrogate in a heartbeat.
You know, again, this was like, You know, 10 years ago.
It's one thing to say that.
It's another to actually go, you know, follow through with that.
But yeah, I'm curious if these are women who, if this was their first child and then they had to give it up versus, you know, they had children before and they're like, oh, here I go again.
tate brown
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, look, you know, you look at outliers and to like Ian led off with it.
I mean, it is tough to like go to a couple who are like struggling with fertility and then just say like, sorry.
But I mean, it goes back to when you're, when you're, when you're defining policy, right?
When you're like trying to implement policy.
You can't make policy based off of exceptions.
You have to base policy based on norms.
And I would presume, again, I would have to look at the data, but I presume the majority of surrogacy are for vanity reasons or in situations with their homosexuals.
I would doubt that a lot of them are fertility related, or at least the majority.
I could be wrong there.
I'll check afterwards and I'll correct it if that's true, but I would presume it's not the case.
Popular Vote vs Electoral College 00:03:45
tim pool
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HS Disturbed says, Nobody seems to be talking about this, but what are your thoughts on Virginia's SB 322?
The governor just signed, seems highly unconstitutional.
How do we fight against dirty tactics like this?
I don't know what that is.
Are you talking about the gun bill?
tate brown
No, that was the interstate compact, like with the electoral votes.
tim pool
Oh, they just passed that.
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
tim pool
Well, see, the issue is.
When you look, Democrats are dumb.
And when you look at the popular vote, you see Democrats tend to win.
So they've been making this argument that we should just, every state that's under this compact, and that way if the popular vote swings Democrat, your state then just votes Democrat.
The only problem with that, there are blue states where Republicans won't vote because they feel like it doesn't matter.
They say, well, it's 55% Democrat.
We're never going to pull that five point swing, so I just stay home.
In the event they switch to the national popular vote, in California, for instance, you will see a major uptick of Republican votes.
This could actually change the game because there are more reds, there are more Republican voters in blue states than blue state voters in red states.
So it could dramatically shift things in favor of Republicans.
We just don't know what's going to happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
And the reason that Virginia is like the first one that you're like, whoa, guys, I mean, like there's what, 13 states that are already in it?
Hawaii, California.
Fairly inconsequential.
Oh, yeah.
It might be a little bit higher, but fairly inconsequential if, again, a deep, Blue state joins, but Virginia is a state that teeters on elections.
I mean, like Trump came fairly close.
I don't, I believe they didn't even vote for Bill Clinton.
I believe they voted for Republicans.
tim pool
So just, just real quick, Virginia's like California would have gone red this time in 2024 because Trump won the popular vote.
tate brown
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Imagine California going, no, and it being the deciding factor.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I know.
I'm sure that they have some sort of like recourse.
There's a, oh, it doesn't count this time.
tim pool
18 states plus DC, giving them 222 out of 538.
So they need 48, 40, is it 48?
Yeah, 48 more electoral votes to trigger the actual threshold.
tate brown
Well, that's the reason why Virginia is the shocking one because, like, thus far it didn't matter.
Because, look, if the Democrats are going to win, or sorry, if the Republicans are going to win the popular vote, they're definitely going to win the electoral college.
But now with Virginia, again, that's the first one where it's like Republicans could win Virginia and that could win them the electoral college.
But if they lose the popular vote, now the Republicans lose the election.
So that's why it's like this is the first one where it's like, holy crap, like, we got to do it.
tim pool
But again, California would have turned red this time around.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah.
But like Republicans are good.
If they win the popular vote, that means they've won the Electoral College.
tim pool
You will see, yes, but Washington, Oregon, and California, a lot of Republicans just don't vote because they're like, what's the point?
It's a 60% blue state.
Then you go, well, it's popular vote now.
You might actually see the Republican vote jump.
And then all of a sudden the blue states are forced red.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
That's, oh, I see what you're saying.
No, that's, that's true.
Yeah, yeah.
You would see higher turnouts in like deep blue states.
I mean, Hawaii is kind of the most infamous example where it's like so done and dusted for Republicans there that they just don't bother voting.
Like, If they participated, if they all came out in numbers, like what the projections would be, it would be a lot closer of a state.
I mean, it would still be Democrat.
But in a situation where they're like, yeah, we could contribute to the national popular vote tally, they would turn out in quite large numbers.
tim pool
Steele's shattered hand says, I don't want to set the world on fire.
I just want to start.
Midterms and Gas Prices 00:03:37
tim pool
He said, sad, but I'm fixing it.
A flame in your heart.
What he didn't add is that he's lost all ambition for worldly acclaim.
He just wants to be the one that you love.
And with your admission that you'd feel the same, he'd have reached the goal he's dreaming of.
tate brown
Yeah, you hear those old doo wop songs, and it's like the women must have been a lot better back then because not only would one guy sing about it, but he'd get like four guys to join him to sing about the same woman.
You don't see that anymore.
You just see power ballads, just one guy singing.
He doesn't get like his squad to join him and sing about these women.
So I don't know, maybe the quality of women has declined on the market.
I'm not sure what's going on.
tim pool
The reference, of course, is the intro song from Fallout 3, which is a reference to a nuclear apocalypse.
But there's a song from Fallout that I want to play for you guys that, let's just say, you probably can't.
You probably can't play on YouTube anymore.
I mean, the song's from like the 50s.
It's called Civilization, and the lyrics are a lot of fun.
ian crossland
I was a big fan of Fallout 2.
It was Louis Armstrong, I think.
unidentified
What was that?
ian crossland
What a world or something like that?
tim pool
What a wonderful world.
ian crossland
What a wonderful world.
And then it zooms out and it's Fallout.
You're like, oh my God.
But it's like playing on an old radio in the beginning.
Really dark.
tim pool
Failing says the F 15 isn't a stealth fighter.
It's a fourth generation fighter that has been in service since 1976.
Fifth generation fighters like the F 22 and F 35 are our stealth fighters.
Well, thank you for the correction.
ian crossland
It went down and then what?
Did Iran get a hold of it?
Is that what you were saying earlier?
tim pool
Well, so there were comments about how they should not have been able to track.
The F 15 without some kind of ground radar technology or something.
I forgot the exact details.
And so the presumption is Russia must be providing them with the technology to track US military assets.
unidentified
Indeed.
All right.
What do we got here?
tim pool
El Jefe Lopez says the media just makes ish up, and Trump is a B to not just start arresting those lying media POS.
Well, he can't.
He can't just arrest journalists for lying.
Thinker for Life says, the longer the straight is closed, the larger the price plummet right before the midterms.
That's a good point.
What people don't understand is that happiness is relative.
So, famously, there was a study that found a lottery winner and a paraplegic one year after their formative moments, either winning lottery or becoming injured, registered the same levels of happiness.
Shocking, isn't it?
But it's because humans adapt, you have to.
And happiness is relative to your current circumstance.
If you took a guy from like the year, I don't know, 1300, right?
And let's just say he's like a serf with no family because only I think 40% of men reproduced back then.
And you transported this guy to modern America.
Do you think he'd be happy or sad?
ian crossland
Well, probably sad at first.
And then if he adapts, very happy.
tim pool
He'd be very happy.
ian crossland
Like he'd have running water and be like, what is this magic?
tate brown
Yeah, just a hot shower would change him.
justin martin
We all live like kings.
tim pool
He'd freak out and be like, what is this?
And someone would be like, here's a cheeseburger.
And he'd be like, I'm so hungry and taste it and go, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Kings did not eat so well.
Could you imagine what, like, King George would have said if he was given Mac sauce?
tate brown
Yeah, he would have fought a little harder for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Happiness is relative, man.
So, you know.
ian crossland
Oh, so you think Trump will do some shenanigans right before the midterms and make gas drop in price by 40% and be like, we did it, we did it.
And then the votes will come in and then it'll be right back.
tim pool
And then what happens is Trump says, it's like something he can do, which is not out of the question.
Right before the midterms, the price plummets due to some executive order.
And then he says, look, if the Democrats get in, they're going to reverse this and make gas go way up, way up.
The Darien Gap and Land Laws 00:10:19
tim pool
You got the Republicans are going to keep it.
Then all the Republicans come out and say, we're making gas cheaper.
We're dropping your prices.
Democrats are going to go, they're lying, they're lying.
And they're going to say, well, what are you going to pick?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Just repeal the gas tax at the end of October because it'll take like a couple months before the court's going to correct.
tim pool
And then what's going to happen is people are going to say, I mean, the Republicans are probably lying, but I'll flip a coin on whether or not they're lying.
You know what I mean?
Like, look, I don't know what Democrats are going to do, but Republicans are claiming they'll do it.
Worst case scenario is they don't, and no one was going to do it anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
ian crossland
And then three weeks later, it'll be like, oh, the Iranians, they did the thing.
Now gas prices are back to where they were.
Sorry, it was the Iranians that did it.
tim pool
Asriel says, ammonium perchlorate is an oxidizer that can be volatile but primarily used in pool chemicals and sold by places like Walmart and Lowe's.
unidentified
Fascinating.
Wow.
tim pool
KO says, shockingly, Ian has a point twice today.
How about that?
Indentured servitude is illegal and yet is voluntary exchange, you communist.
There is always a level of coercion, even in free markets, is bad.
The issue with indentured servitude, actually, it's Completely legal, and you are incorrect.
The issue referring to is an archaic form of indentured servitude.
The idea was simple.
You were in the old world, and they said, How would you like to come to the new world for opportunity?
Okay, I'll give you a loan.
You got to pay that loan back once you get there, and then once you do, you'll be a free man.
We call that a student loan these days, functionally identical.
These people are indentured servants, many of whom have paid more than the principal on their loan, but still owe the same amount.
There were people who took out $50,000 to go to college.
Paid back $60,000 and still owe $50,000.
Like you were in a similar situation, weren't you?
ian crossland
Yeah, I took out $20,000.
I paid off about nine or 10 of it and I still owe $20,000.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I was like, oh my God.
tim pool
Indentured servitude still exists, still legal.
That's why I'm in favor of shutting that system down, but people who got money still got to pay it back.
So indeed, it is still allowed.
justin martin
You see, they call it the donkey route.
All the Indian Punjab truck drivers in the US, that's how they end up here.
tim pool
Well, how does it work?
justin martin
Typically, it's young men on Instagram back home.
They get inundated with ads saying, Look how much money I'm making.
Look at my cool cars.
They're just inundated with ads all day long saying, Driving a truck in the U.S. is great.
brandon brown in unknown
It's all lies.
justin martin
They pay a human trafficker, they call them travel agents, to smuggle them into South America.
And then they hoof it on foot through the Darien Gap into Mexico and then into the U.S.
So they owe money to the human trafficker.
Now they got to owe money to whoever's paying for them to go through trucking school, whoever's giving them the loan to the truck.
So, all these guys that are panicking right now about losing their CDLs, they're panicking because they owe everybody money.
tim pool
They go through the Darien gap?
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
tim pool
Okay, I'm in favor now of all of that, so long as for everyone that comes in, a leftist has to leave.
You're just like a communist who doesn't want to do work, who thinks they're entitled to everything, versus a guy willing to go through the Darien gap to get a job in America.
The leftists aren't working at all.
You know what I mean?
At least the H 1B guy does some work.
justin martin
It depends what.
See, that's the thing.
These guys aren't even H 1Bs.
Oh, that's worse.
That's a different cast.
Those guys have the money to fly into Dallas and go straight to work for software companies.
tim pool
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, I don't like that.
But I will say, like, crossing the Darien Gap is a lot of work.
carter banks
Pretty hardcore, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, there's no roads.
It's just raw, like, jungle.
And, like, there's banditos there.
And, like, it's brutal, man.
If you had the choice between a communist who grew up in, you know, like, the suburbs of New York, Then moved to California, went to Berkeley, and is part of Antifa.
If we could deport that person and bring in some Indian guy who traveled 2,000 miles from South America to the Darien Gap, which would you rather have?
The American, but a communist, or the guy who crawled through the Darien Gap to come here for a job?
justin martin
I want to put both of them in a truck and see how well they can back a trailer up to a door.
Nothing will de radicalize someone against unionization than sending them to a union run warehouse and having to deal with it.
tim pool
Well, there's a viral video of an Indian guy backing a truck up to a loading dock and crushing the guy.
Did you see this one?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Went super viral.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because he's like, here's the truck and he's looking over and he looks out to see what the trucker's doing and then, oh.
Because the driver doesn't know what he's doing.
Or do you see the one where the truck driver ran the women over?
He backs up and just runs two women over.
unidentified
Jeez.
justin martin
Yeah, this stuff happens all the time.
They tell you in training, go, get out and look.
tim pool
You know what they're going to do, right?
Once they replace as many drivers as possible with low skill, unqualified individuals and we get a bunch of accidents, they're going to say, we have to automate this.
justin martin
That has always been the conspiracy, but we were talking about this earlier on the other show.
The cost that it takes to run these autonomous trucks for now is still way higher than it is to have meat in the seat.
So that's why you go back 10, 15, 20 years, we had all these autonomous startups in trucking.
And over the last decade and a half, they've all gone bankrupt or consolidated.
There's only a handful left, and they're just holding on for dear life, trying not to burn through their cash reserves before they go bankrupt.
tim pool
It's going to happen.
justin martin
I don't, I don't, I'm not denying that autonomous trucks are coming.
The timelines that people are going to say in six months to a year or two, we're talking 10, 15 years.
tim pool
I don't think so.
They're going to make driving illegal.
Like, but 10 to 15 years for driving to be illegal, but I think autonomous vehicles are around the corner.
justin martin
I don't even think they need to make it illegal.
It's, we're seeing right now a cultural shift with, you know, Gen Z and younger.
Fewer and fewer people, forget CDLs, just driver's license, period.
Yep.
Fewer and fewer young kids are going through that, uh, Right of passage of getting your learner's permit and getting your license.
Everyone's got Uber or ride shares and all that stuff.
tim pool
I'll tell you how it's going to happen.
Insurance companies.
The insurance company is going to say insurance on a truck that is autonomous is X amount of dollars.
And insurance on a truck driven by a person because of liability is going to be X times Y or something.
justin martin
That's a good point.
Right now, the minimum coverage you need on the semi truck for like cargo and all that is $750,000.
That's been a rate that's been set since like the early 90s.
It has not kept up with inflation.
Had it kept up, it's supposed to be like.
At least a million and a half to two million right now.
Most of your small mom and pop carriers cannot afford having that much coverage.
tim pool
And then they're going to say, oh, it's a robot.
Those are safer statistically.
And then they're going to offer these things up.
I think, however, the argument that trucks will be electric, I don't think so, but you'd probably know better.
justin martin
No, I think the Tesla Semi, the Freightliner eCascadia, those are great for small local runs, going from the Pepsi plant to another Pepsi plant, charging overnight.
But as far as them actually doing over the road freight, having to go into a truck stop, We don't have the charging infrastructure.
It takes too long to charge them, period.
By the time you get to a regular truck stop, if there's three trucks ahead of you in the fuel line, that's 45 minutes you're already waiting.
tim pool
But from the warehouse to the gas stations, I think that probably will happen.
So, like, if you have a Dunkin' Donuts distribute, like, factory where they make all the donuts for all the, like, 20 stores, one truck electric autonomously could pick up the donuts, drop them off, and come back and charge, and that would work.
But the long haul stuff, it's got to be gas.
justin martin
Well, so there's a company right now called Gattick.
The way that they're kind of sneaking into the radar is they are not class eight trucks.
They're like the much smaller trucks.
So they mostly do B2B.
So they go from the Walmart distribution center to a Walmart store, and it'll be the guys on the dock unloading the trucks.
But again, they've been around for a while, but they only have 10 trucks.
So you look at any of these companies that are in this space and you actually look at how many trucks they have running right now, it's very, very few.
Most of this is just they're still trying to nibble around the edges and the.
Rate at which they can grow at scale is just not here yet.
tate brown
You said the minimum insurance got frozen at 750.
justin martin
Yeah.
tate brown
Like most of those insurance companies keep up.
justin martin
They don't.
There's, God help you if you get rear ended by one of these guys with like a non domicile CDL because the company that they drive for, you know, you go down the highways and you see billboards for like, you know, truck attorneys all the time.
If one of these guys rear ends you, they don't have any assets for that attorney to go after you.
If you're, I'm not saying to do this, if you were to get rear ended by a semi truck, you want to get rear ended by one of the big guys who has lots of assets and lots of money to go after.
They call those nuclear verdicts.
Anything that's over a million or $10 million will just completely wipe out a trucking company.
tim pool
Let me grab this.
Max says, No, Tim, you don't own the water.
Look into it.
People can legally travel through the water, but can't legally go onto your land.
carter banks
Wrong.
tim pool
The water on our property is not navigable water.
We own the access to that water.
Now, the water system itself, there are restrictions on whether or not we can dam or do anything because we've looked into all this.
But as the creek that we have is non navigable, no one can come onto our property and take access to that water.
That being said, upstream, You can't interfere with, pollute, or compromise that water intentionally.
We can't either.
But the point is this if people needed to access any of the private land because they needed that water, they cannot.
It was secured by the individuals who live here for the purpose of protecting themselves and their family.
If it was as such that anyone could just go into anyone's property and take it, there'd be no point in buying land with water on it, and nobody would.
But land with water is more valuable than land without.
Now, you are correct.
There are many properties nearby with navigable water, for which when you own a portion of that, They can travel down it, and there are certain restrictions.
Also, there's like fishing restrictions.
But again, my point is we have a pond and we have a creek.
We control it.
We own it.
Nobody can come on the property and touch it.
And I can drain the pond and destroy it if I want to.
As for the creek, we can do some things to it.
We can trench it out and expand it and make it bigger.
We can create a pool.
We can actually trench it out and then dig a gigantic pool and create a pond if we want to.
But we cannot stop the flow to or pollute or damage that water because then you're causing problems downstream.
The only issue is a lot of people do, and you can't prove it.
So, if one day you went to your water and noticed there's something off about it, good luck figuring it out because there's going to be a thousand houses upstream and you're going to figure out where the source is, I guess.
unidentified
Good luck.
Controlling Private Waterways 00:03:52
tim pool
All right, my friends.
Let me see if we can grab one more over here.
I want to make sure I get this one.
The free man says chicken or the egg.
Elon wants UBI because if it's adopted, his robots would be a necessity for any business to survive and a top commodity for homes.
Think he's rich now.
It would be like Amazon on steroids.
Elon is correct about some kind of UBI, not because he, I don't think that's the case.
I think the issue is that the transformation that we're experiencing from AI will be so dramatic, humans won't be able to generationally adapt.
With the Industrial Revolution, it was an overnight shift, but it still took a bit of time, and there were Luddite revolts.
There was violence, there was explosions, bombs, and all that stuff.
AI is going to make the same, like, think of the Industrial Revolution, but in a flash, the exponential increase.
And change to our economy will wipe out 10, 20, 30 million jobs overnight.
And these people will be pissed off.
So they're trying to taper it so the job losses are as such that people don't have a revolution.
We'll talk about more of this and we'll play a fun song for you that is too offensive to play on YouTube over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
Smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
Justin, you want to shout anything out?
justin martin
Yeah, find me on Twitter at Super Trucker.
We're still looking into all this stuff with Super Ego.
You know how a couple weeks ago Twitter changed the algorithm and everyone's feeds was flooded with posts from Japan?
unidentified
Yeah.
justin martin
Mine has been that, but from posts from Serbia lately.
The Serbians are pissed.
They're just like, they want super ego burnt to the ground.
unidentified
It's a war.
ian crossland
Are you Serbian?
unidentified
No.
justin martin
I'm a big fan of the Serbs.
They're good people.
ian crossland
Shout out to 420.
It's 420 today.
Happy 420.
Shout out to marijuana.
Gets a bad rep sometimes, but it's cool.
I liked it.
Also, shout out to Hitler, whose birthday was 420.
Not a big fan of the guy, but maybe we should drop a mention.
Hit me up on my DMs.
Slide on in, Tim.
Slide on in my DMs anytime you want.
Tate Brown.
tate brown
Yeah, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown.
Happy birthday to all birthdays today, not just Adolph.
I think anyone's one of 420 deserves to celebrate today.
So, yeah, Carter.
carter banks
No shout outs for me tonight.
But anyway, yeah, let's get into the after show.
tim pool
We'll see you all at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL right now.
Thanks for hanging out.
justin martin
Alien Carry Network gets shut down.
That's when the insurance company sniffs them out and revokes their policy.
tim pool
Let's play this song.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
It's from Fallout.
Racist Songs in Looney Tunes 00:02:08
tim pool
Well, it's not from Fallout, it's an old song.
ian crossland
Fallout, this is from.
tim pool
I guess Whore?
That's what it says.
ian crossland
It's probably like on a radio or something.
the andrews sisters
Ooh, Harmony.
He tells the native population that civilization is dying.
And three educated savages holler from a bamboo tree.
unidentified
I don't get by his ha-ha-ha.
the andrews sisters
That civilization is a thing for me to see.
danny kaye
So bongo, bongo, bongo, I don't wanna leave the Congo.
Oh, no, Bingo, bango, bongo, I'm so hoppy in the jungle, I refuse to go.
Don't want no bright lights, false teeth, doorbells, landlords, I make it clear.
unidentified
That no matter how they coax him, I'll stay right here.
tim pool
I saw on Reddit, and people complained about it.
unidentified
It was a great story.
Hey, on Ransom.
Please start talking to sing about the jungle.
ian crossland
I see how people who are civilized are like Bob Hillard, Hilliard, and Carl Sigmund.
Performed by Danny Kay and Andrews.
danny kaye
Oh, it was in Fallout 3 and 4.
ian crossland
And in Fallout 76.
the andrews sisters
Oh, Bunga Bunga Bunga, he don't wanna leave the Congo.
No, Bingle, bangle, bungle, he's so happy in the jungle, he refused to go.
danny kaye
Don't want no penthouse, bathtubs, street cars, taxis, noise in my ear.
tim pool
So I was looking for the songs in the soundtrack, and I was like, what song is this?
Because all I remember is the Bingle, Bangle, Bungle, and I looked it up on Reddit, and it was a bunch of leftists complaining about how racist the song was and how problematic it was.
And I was like, oh, wow.
And then I looked up the lyrics, and I was like, oh, I get it.
ian crossland
Yeah, but from when I'm reading about AI, it says it's about an African character who prefers life in the jungle over modern society.
Not really racist, kind of more of a.
Ski Theft and Retribution 00:05:04
tim pool
Except they haven't bought it?
unidentified
Oh, they do.
Yeah.
tate brown
They do do that sometimes.
ian crossland
That was back when they were doing blackface in Looney Tunes and stuff back in the 40s.
Yes.
justin martin
You always have to look at everything in context.
ian crossland
There was some crazy racist shit in Looney Tunes.
Or was it Looney Tunes?
unidentified
Looney Tunes.
tate brown
Tony Jerry, he'd put shoe polish on his face.
justin martin
The anti Japanese war propaganda cartoons that they were making at the time.
tate brown
Those are good, too.
I would have gotten.
tim pool
Yeah, Superman did it.
Superman used to have the ability to scrunch his face to look Japanese.
Not a joke.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
Yeah, he had a lot of crazy powers.
tate brown
Superman's fire.
ian crossland
Super spy.
tate brown
They do that now with Persians.
Be like, these guys are all car salesmen.
What's the deal with them?
ian crossland
His eyebrows are so thick.
justin martin
I see you're an Alp guy over there.
I'm a Velo guy myself.
We tried to get in contact with the people at Alp because their load got stolen.
unidentified
Oh, right.
justin martin
What a fucking joke all that was.
They did not take any of it seriously.
Really?
I was like, we literally have Batman tech.
Like, you give me a trailer number, a truck number, anything.
Any detail on that load, I can track it for you.
And it was just like completely wrong.
ian crossland
Did they write it off as a loss at an inflated value or something?
justin martin
By the time they went public about the theft, it was like a month and a half after it happened.
You have 24 to 48 hours after a load gets stolen to try and track it down.
Otherwise, that stuff's being sold in a gas station in Mexico right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
justin martin
Oh, absolutely gone.
ian crossland
Deep conspiracy.
justin martin
Yeah.
My friend Gord, when he went to Tucker to do his second episode, he told Tucker, like, why didn't any of your people reach out to us?
And he was like, well, that's, you know, I'm just the face of Alp.
It's a separate company, blah, blah, blah.
And They're just playing with it as like a marketing gimmick at this point.
But man, we were so mad.
My friend Danielle managed to get a hold of the social media person that runs the Alp account.
And it was like talking to a child.
We're like, please put an adult on the phone for us.
We are serious people.
We can track this stuff down for you.
Just give us something, anything.
And it was like, I'm just a social media person.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Cause I remember some people after the theft happened and they were like, this is retribution.
You know, the CIA, this is retribution against Tucker for speaking out.
And I was like, okay, wait a second.
I read the article and yeah, it was like, it was stolen like two months prior.
And I was like, no.
First of all, that disproves that theory.
Second of all, Why haven't they done anything?
Why have they not gone public until now?
justin martin
I think, well, the insurance will pay for it.
unidentified
Right.
justin martin
And, you know, there's been a lot of high value, high profile theft of like celebrity merchandise lately.
Guy Fieri had his tequila stolen.
Shaq had his custom car stolen.
tate brown
And I feel like you have a duty if your Alp shipment got stolen because all it does is incentivize criminals.
Like, oh, I can get away with it.
If I'm slick enough, then they're not going to come after me.
unidentified
Yeah.
justin martin
And a lot of the way that these different cargo thefts happen via different routes.
So sometimes they will, you know, pretend to be the actual carrier to show up and pick up that load and then it disappears.
Sometimes they'll manage to circumvent the communication between the driver and dispatch.
And the driver will, he's not in on it.
He just goes, picks up the load.
And then while en route, he gets a phone call or a text saying, hey, actually, the delivery address got changed.
You got to drop it off at this warehouse.
That kind of stuff happens.
tim pool
Well, there is one place that I would describe as a crime free paradise Jackson, Wyoming.
It's a ski town.
You go there to ski.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And ski resorts have just no crime, none.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I've been there.
It's quite pleasant.
tim pool
Thousands, tens of thousands of dollars with a ski coin just lying around.
Nobody touches it.
tate brown
Jax was crazy because it was like, we almost got stranded there because of a blizzard.
Like, it's like, they have like two roads in.
So if there's any storm, you're just stuck there.
tim pool
So we're like, go live in a.
Like, the further north you go, like, crime goes down.
Is that right?
tate brown
In the U.S., no, because Detroit, it's like the furthest north metro and it's like the scariest place.
tim pool
No, I mean like mountains.
I mean in general.
Like, if you were living in the mountains of the.
Actually, maybe that's not true.
Just like.
tate brown
Mexico City is pretty high elevation.
ian crossland
Underreported per capita or something.
tim pool
No, but I mean, like, I mean, I mean, like, I guess to the colder climates, there's just less people and everyone's hiding.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
justin martin
Minneapolis kind of shoots that down.
tim pool
That's true.
That's a good point, actually.
tate brown
I was thinking the Suomi, as you pronounce it, in Scandinavia, they have like some of the highest crime rates in Europe and they're like, oh, yeah.
tim pool
So, how about that?
tate brown
I think it's more just like the more remote you are, the less crime is going to be.
tim pool
Yeah, but when you're on a mountain, there's thousands of people all over the place and there's just no crime.
justin martin
Everybody knows about these small, tight knit communities.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
Jackson, Wyoming is like a permanent destination for skiing.
You go there and there's like 10,000 people and zero crime.
tate brown
I think there's a more obvious, less politically correct explanation for why there's no crime at ski resorts.
tim pool
What could that be?
Well, could that be tape?
tate brown
Sensioeconomic factors?
justin martin
There was a viral.
tim pool
That explains it.
I mean, everyone there's rich.
justin martin
There was a TikTok video a while back of a black guy at a ski resort, and he's like, look at these white motherfuckers just leaving all this shit lying around.
This is insane.
tate brown
He was like, the first person to be in the world.
tim pool
Imagine being in the world.
tate brown
It never occurred to us, like, this could be stolen.
And then one guy shows up and he's like, I could steal all this.
Look at him again.
tim pool
No, there was a video I saw of a bunch of black dudes stealing a bunch of skis.
tate brown
That's over.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
tim pool
They pulled up and walked up and just grabbed a punch, threw him in the truck, and left.
unidentified
Nowhere safe.
ian crossland
It says open carry in Wyoming also.
Maybe that has something to do with white people.
tim pool
I mean, because my attitude is they take my skis and start blasting.
tate brown
Because Breckenridge probably has pretty low crime, and I know Colorado has some pretty rough gun laws.
So it has to be something else.
It has to be socioeconomic.
Indiana Trucking Shenanigans 00:06:45
tim pool
You know, I like Texas because in Texas, you're allowed to use lethal force to defend physical property.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Like if someone's stealing your TV, you can kill him.
ian crossland
That's pretty cool.
unidentified
Let's go.
ian crossland
I kind of like that because at some point, if you take someone's home, you've basically killed them.
Like if you take their access to resources.
carter banks
Or it's like something you can't get back, like an heirloom.
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah, I have a nice armoire I would slime someone out over.
unidentified
Get slimed.
Yeah, I would do that.
tate brown
I would go there.
I've heard that in a while.
I would go there.
You know, it's a nice armor.
It was my grandmother's.
ian crossland
Yeah, my magic cards.
tate brown
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Texas, dude.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
It's a place.
justin martin
I'm too young to remember, but I lived in Abilene, Texas for a bit.
And so I've always been spirit.
My, when I learned to talk as a kid, I had a real thick Southern accent.
tate brown
Let's go.
justin martin
And got it beaten out of me relentlessly when I moved to Indiana.
So my accent's always been kind of muddled, but I love Texas.
Texas, I've always been spiritually Texan.
It's just everything bigger in Texas.
tate brown
Yeah.
justin martin
I love seeing all the shit that they're into.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I lived in Indiana for a while as a child and I noticed, and I'm not saying this to drag Indianans, but there is like an inferiority complex in Indiana.
justin martin
Who's yours?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
It wasn't Fort Wayne, too.
It's like a depressing rust.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
justin martin
Fort Wayne's actually pretty legit now because you're not far from like a lot of major, yeah, the major metro.
tate brown
You're like two and a half hours from everything.
unidentified
Yep.
tate brown
And, uh, yeah, but I just remember living there and everyone just kind of had this like chip on their shoulder.
I guess because they're surrounded by so many formerly, I guess, powerhouse states.
unidentified
Yeah.
justin martin
Indiana's got, because everything with me is trucking, Indiana's got a shitload of problems in trucking right now.
We've, I, I had a, one of my big like Twitter moments, uh, this year was, uh, I ratioed two Indiana senators in the span of a week because they were talking about trucking.
And I just laid everything out saying, hey, look at this random suburb in south of Indianapolis, Indiana.
There's 250 trucking companies here.
What's up with that?
And it just blew up.
And Senator Jim Banks, his general counsel, reached out to me, gave me a personal cell.
So he's like, what the hell is going on?
I'm like, how much time do you got?
So I spoke on the phone with her for a few hours.
And that's basically been my quote unquote career for the last few months I just.
Publicly say, like, you know, fucked up shit that's happening in trucking.
tate brown
What's the gist of what was going on there?
justin martin
So, in the 2008, like, housing crash, there was a ton of suburbs out there that just halted production.
Like, they had all these houses, like, 75 to 90% built.
They just stopped.
There was one guy from California who migrated from India, saw all those cheap houses, and was like, that's a fucking steal, bought all the houses in the area, and then just started bringing in all his cousins from California and India over the last.
15 years, and they've just completely dominated the trucking area down there.
There's a politician or a wannabe politician in Indiana named Sid Mahant.
He owns a handful of trucking companies and CDL schools.
And Indiana is unique versus other states where if I have a CDL and I live in Florida, but I want to move to Indiana, I have to retake the knowledge test in English.
And this is before Trump, before Obama.
This has been law in Indiana for years.
Sid was having this problem where all his drivers from California.
Couldn't move to Indiana because they can't speak or read English.
And so they couldn't take the knowledge test to transfer the CDLs over.
So he ran for state Congress to try and pass this law to overturn that rule.
Well, he borrowed $2 million to fund his own political campaign.
He got kicked off the ballot and he's running again right now.
And he's tied in with their Secretary of State in Indiana, like the two of them have owned businesses together.
That's where we see a lot of the shenanigans in trucking in different states.
You look at states where they're having all kinds of issues with trucking.
Look at their secretary of state and see what they're up to.
Nebraska, their secretary of state is, there is no word for it, but you know, like the term otaku, like guys who are just really.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
justin martin
Their guy is at otaku, but for Kenya.
The guy just goes to Kenya all the time and just has a fucking blast in Kenya.
tim pool
Well, I mean, Nairobi is pretty awesome.
justin martin
And while in Kenya, their office of diaspora will contact him and say, hey, can you hook us up with some jobs?
He's like, yeah, we got trucking companies out here that can't hire for shit.
So they started importing a bunch of guys from Kenya to drive trucks.
And they got caught, and we tweeted about it last year.
And the CEO of Warner Enterprise, like one of the big trucking companies in the US, immediately was like, We have all to do with this.
Meanwhile, they'd already been doing it for the last six years.
Yeah.
They got caught red handed.
ian crossland
Is it because they can't get Americans to do it or because it's cheap?
justin martin
It's a chicken or the egg issue because since 1980, so pre 1980, trucking was fucking sweet as a driver.
You were paid great, low turnover.
A lot of guys were in the Teamsters.
Like we had it made.
Jimmy Hoffa could pick up the phone at any moment and say, My guys aren't getting what they want.
Shut it down.
The whole fucking nation grinds to a screeching halt.
The government at the time was like, we got to fucking do something about this.
So they just steamrolled the Motor Carrier Act of 1980 through and it completely 100% deregulated the industry.
There are zero barriers to entry into trucking whatsoever.
Tim, you could take out your phone right now and in 30 minutes, I can walk you through the steps of starting your own trucking company.
You don't have to prove that you know anything about trucking.
You don't have to prove that you've read the 800 pages of all the federal rules and regulations involved with running a trucking company.
You can just start a trucking company.
And so we went from like, 17,000 to 14,000 trucking companies to 1980 to like half a million within like just a quick number of years.
So the market was immediately flooded.
A bunch of the old legacy carriers went bankrupt and turnover was just like insane.
Like nobody would stay at a trucking company for more than a year because everybody was hopping from one job to another or just quitting.
So this narrative of a truck driver shortage started popping up in the 90s where the big lobbyist group in the US called the American Trucking Association, they don't represent truck drivers, they represent large truckload carriers.
Their whole bread and butter is, you know, all these big trucking companies, they pay dues to us so that we can take their money and lobby Congress critters to get what we want.
So they've been lying about this truck driver shortage for years and years and years.
And that's kind of where things start falling apart, where they start importing guys from overseas in the 90s.
And what they didn't anticipate was all these drivers that they were importing were going to start trucking companies of their own and then start importing the drivers they want.
And so now they've completely abandoned the shortage narrative.
They've moved on to other pet projects like truck parking or.
You know, CDL, like the whole idea of starting your own CDL school, it's a self certified process.
You don't have to prove that your class is worth the shit.
You can just say, I am a trucking school and I register with the FMCSA, and the FMCSA goes, okay.
So you just start funneling guys through your pipeline all you want.
And to his credit, Sean Duffy shut that down earlier this year.
MAGA Voters and Coalitions 00:05:25
justin martin
Fascinating.
They've shut down like 7,000 trucking companies.
unidentified
Let's go.
tim pool
We're going to grab some callers.
We'll start with Kilo Charlie 5.
What's up, brother?
carter banks
What up, dude?
tim pool
Kilo.
unidentified
What's up?
kilo charlie 5 in unknown
Hey, good evening, guys.
This is your friendly neighborhood prepper, Kilo Charlie Five, here.
Thanks for having me back.
justin martin
Sounds like he's on the same page.
kilo charlie 5 in unknown
Question for the whole panel.
With Trump's recent alienating much of his base, do you see those that voted for and believed in the original principles of MAGA to continue to stay with MAGA and justify Trump from the coalition?
Or do you see them starting a new movement on the right with all the original principles they voted for, like no new wars, America first, mass deportation, prosecution of crooked Dems, et cetera? to rival whatever Trump and MAGA has become now.
tim pool
Well, Trump's diehards are always going to be for Trump no matter what.
It's his untouchable base that pollsters have always found.
Then there's the coalition, which includes anti interventionists and libertarian types, liberals.
They're going to break.
This is actually becoming an issue because events are coming up where I'm talking to a lot of the organizers and I'm saying, like, yeah, I don't think I'm interested in whatever that right wing lineup's going to be.
I don't want to be like at a TPUSA where Bannon's screaming at Shapiro, who's screaming at Candace.
Like, I'm not interested in any of those things.
So I think Trump's core.
Base of supporters aren't ever going to leave them.
And I think that the coalition is shattered and going to break off and do their own things where they don't like each other.
tate brown
The problem is, like, within the Republican Party, they've pulled the Republican Party.
Their support for the Iran war is at like 88%, something like that.
So even if there were like a pressure group among the coalition, right, the 2024 coalition, it wouldn't matter because you're not registered Republicans.
When the primaries come around, the Trump base is still going to be in control of ultimately who's going to be the Republican nominee.
So I suppose if you're talking about an outside political movement, I think the way I see it, I mean, maybe you disagree, but the way I see it is a lot of people that came into the coalition and voted for Trump, a lot of them, I'm not saying the commentariat, but a lot of those voters were not super politically involved voters.
My evidence for this is Trump gets a lot of first time voters.
And so I'm not sure those people really have the desire or willpower to start a third party or any sort of pressure group within the Republican Party or any sort of political movement broadly.
And I think come 2028, you're going to see that coalition stitched back together because the main reason the coalition happened in 2024 wasn't necessarily because of Trump's gravity.
It was more of an anti Kamala kind of fervor, anti political correctness, et cetera, et cetera.
So, yeah, I mean, I see what you mean.
I just think the problem is the way that the dynamics in the Republican Party is, he still has massive support within the Republican Party among registered Republicans.
ian crossland
That whole thing, he said things like, I am MAGA.
Things are at least, I don't agree with.
tim pool
He wrote that, he copyrighted it.
It's his.
ian crossland
Yeah, like the, you know, making America great is not like, doesn't rest in the pockets of Donald Trump.
I think it's a movement that could go well beyond, but I mean, Also, it's a little rhetorical.
Like, get rid of that garbage, MAGA, NAGA, like weird sounding.
NAGA is like a fantasy lizard creature that's underwater.
unidentified
I know what it is.
tim pool
It's a sea serpent.
ian crossland
Ever since Trump was like, my thing's MAGA, I'm like, what is this guy?
Does he not know Brandt?
Like, it's such a weird thing.
tim pool
You know that MAGA came from Reagan.
ian crossland
I'm sorry, say it again.
tim pool
MAGA came from Reagan.
ian crossland
Reagan?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's just trying to bring it back to the point.
tate brown
It actually is brilliant rhetorically because he kind of hits at the core of the issue everyone recognizes America used to be great.
You're just not allowed to observe that.
Like when it's inherent in the phrase, make America great again, which implies it's actually not that great right now.
And I remember in 2016, a lot of these like more establishment guys were like, what are you talking about?
America's great.
What do you mean?
And then the entire base was like, no, it's not.
I have eyeballs.
Like I can see things.
ian crossland
Well, I guess I'll say rhetorical, reinforced with no new wars, just garbage rhetoric.
I personally don't trust the man.
I trust the movement.
I trust the, but also my eyes have been open to what war is and geopolitical conflict.
It's not like we can just turn it off.
You know, when you have the strongest military on earth, you're supposed to use it.
tim pool
I think, well, it's not about that.
It's just that we have interests and there are bad people and there are bad moral worldviews that we don't want.
justin martin
I think MAGA and America First are like the two greatest political memes that have been created in the last 50 years.
It just cuts through so much noise.
Like, whether you agree with their policy or not, you know, by saying, This is America first.
It's like, well, okay, well, does that mean this other thing is America second?
unidentified
America third?
Yeah.
justin martin
So, yeah, it's a great rhetorical trick.
I think Trump is just such a cult of personality that once he's out of office, I couldn't tell you.
Yeah, I like Vance.
I'm a millennial.
I'm a dad.
I see a lot of stuff in common with him as far as that goes.
But I think once Trump is out of office trying to get whatever next coalition they're trying to build, that's going to be hard.
I think it's going to take Democrats coming back in.
And figuring out what they have to be opposed to.
Because that was the whole point of MAGA, they were just opposed to progressivism.
Then once they got into the second term here, all those coalitions start falling apart because it's like, okay, we made it.
Now what are we for?
It's very easy to be against something, but then trying to hold a coalition of different groups together based on what stuff you're agreeing upon is like next to impossible.
tate brown
Yeah, that's a good point.
ian crossland
I wonder if it's going to be JD or Rubio.
Delilah Law and Way Stations 00:15:25
unidentified
What was that?
justin martin
Yeah, I think it'll be between JD and Rubio.
You see Trump putting them against each other all the time right now.
It's really fun to watch play out.
I would be fine with either one.
Vance was always my guy, and I think I would be happy either way.
Watching Little Marco become what Marco really is.
unidentified
Little Marco.
justin martin
We've come a long way to Little Marco.
unidentified
Good job.
ian crossland
Lion diplomat.
justin martin
One of the best.
It's insane watching him just go out there and do it.
tate brown
This is his element as bureaucrat.
That's really insane.
I still don't know if he's still ganging at Marco when it comes to presidential politics.
It makes me a little nervous.
tim pool
Someone unrelated, there's a funny meme where they said, it was a post on Reddit, you're allowed to create one new chess piece.
What would you make?
unidentified
I've seen that one.
tim pool
And someone said, the bureaucrat.
It can move to any square on the board, but can't take any pieces.
It just gets in the way.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's actually a good one.
tim pool
That's an interesting piece, you know?
You can put it where it's not.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a great idea.
tim pool
It just gets in the way.
tate brown
It gets a square out.
tim pool
You want to add anything to that, brother, or shout anything out?
kilo charlie 5 in unknown
Uh, yeah, I'll do a shout out.
Uh, you can check out my prepper group, uh, on X at BSP underscore prepper that is the black sheet prepper.
And uh, y'all have a good evening.
unidentified
Thanks for calling in, brother.
tim pool
Next up, we've got Hades Hell Scare.
unidentified
Oh, scary name.
carter banks
Oh, DD character.
What up, Hades?
hades hellscare in unknown
Thanks for the uh name, by the way, Tim.
Uh, it was uh, during the Democrat quote unquote state of the union.
Your comment sounded like she said hell scare with the foreign representative.
unidentified
Yeah.
hades hellscare in unknown
I mean, I do that with a lot of these names because it's kind of fun.
But so, how's everybody doing tonight?
Justin, glad to see you.
ian crossland
I got to take a piss.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I want to hear your question, though.
unidentified
I'll do it.
hades hellscare in unknown
You got to go.
ian crossland
I know, but I want to hear you first.
So, Gigo.
hades hellscare in unknown
What can I, as an everyday driver, do to point out these companies hiring illegal and barely legal drivers to the administration?
justin martin
Oh, great question.
So there is ICE has, again, when you see a truck on the road, you have no knowledge whether or not that driver is here in the country legally or illegally.
What I would suggest to you is take a photo of that truck and upload it to a website called searchcarriers.com.
It will pull up all the information on that truck.
Copy the address of that trucking company and then put it in the search and see if there are additional trucking companies registered at that address.
That's like your interesting.
That's like your red flag Numer Una right there.
If you don't want to do the copy and paste stuff, there is like a paid tier and it will do the connection stuff for you.
But that's basically been the way I operate through this.
If I'm on the highway and I see an Amazon truck, I photograph every fucking Amazon truck I see.
tate brown
Patriot.
justin martin
And it's about a 75% hit rate.
unidentified
Wow.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
justin martin
Amazon, their entire network is inundated with these chameleon carriers.
unidentified
Wow.
justin martin
So, yeah, if you have suspicions, you can also contact your local business board or tag me.
If you're on Twitter, tag me.
Everything that I post, I'm not kidding you.
Sean Duffy and Derek Bars at the FMCSA see everything that I post.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Patreon.
hades hellscare in unknown
Well, that kind of answers the next part of the question.
How can we get the administration to focus the scalpel on those companies?
justin martin
Believe it or not, constantly shitposting them on Twitter.
What's been amazing with this?
At least this Trump administration, if you are loud enough and you are bringing receipts, somebody will reach out to you.
I never in my wildest dreams would ever imagine, never imagine like Pete Buttigieg reaching out and being like, yo, what the fuck's up with these trucking companies?
Sean Duffy has not reached out to me.
Derek Barrs has not reached out to me.
Well, I talked to Derek Barrs at Match last year, but people within that organization do reach out and say, what can we do?
What can we look into?
unidentified
Wow.
justin martin
I've had conversations with people at ICE, at Border Patrol.
I tell all the guys at Border Patrol, You have one guy sitting in a booth that has to screen 500 trucks every single day.
He can only look at maybe 20 if he's lucky during his shift.
So, to figure out what trucks you need to look at versus just kind of let go, I gave him some tips on like what ones to really look into.
tate brown
Patriot.
unidentified
Yeah.
hades hellscare in unknown
What sort of punishments would you recommend for these illegal companies?
justin martin
Oh, mass.
So, you know, the floggings.
The MAGA crowd is always like mass deportations, mass deportations.
My philosophy is mass denaturalization.
And then mass deportation.
Most of these trucking company owners have been in the country long enough that they are naturalized citizens, but if they are caught committing fraud at this scale, they need to be debanked, denaturalized, and deported immediately.
tate brown
Yeah, totally agree.
unidentified
So, seizing all the assets of the company, too.
justin martin
That sounds good.
What's that?
unidentified
Seizing all the assets of this company.
Oh, yeah.
100%.
justin martin
Letters of Mark and Reprisal for the U.S. trucking industry.
unidentified
Patriot.
Exactly.
hades hellscare in unknown
And lastly, how do we prevent this from happening again in the long term?
I understand, you know, administration to administration, things are going to change and things, you know, like all the executive orders that Biden put in were in direct counter to all of Trump's, and then Trump reverses it.
How do we get it for the long term?
unidentified
Right.
justin martin
So, right now, there actually is a bill in front of the House and the Senate, Delilah's Law.
It will tighten down.
It's not a new regulation or anything.
It's a law, so it's going to be a lot harder for something that to get overturned in the next administration.
If they can pass Delilah's law, it heavily restricts the issuances of CDLs.
Non US citizens, there's literally like two cohorts that can do it.
It's a very, very small group of like very temporary agriculture workers, and that's it.
And it also bans the usage of foreign dispatch services.
How they enforce that part, I got no idea.
I'm just thrilled that it's even in there.
But yeah, pass Delilah's Law and raise the barrier to entry.
It is absolutely insane that you could be a guy with a laptop in France and with a couple keystrokes in half an hour open up a trucking company in the US.
No other industry in the US has that lower.
tim pool
And there's just all these accidents.
You keep seeing them.
Like there's another one recently.
unidentified
Yeah.
justin martin
We're almost once or twice a month now.
There's like a high profile fatal wreck that's like caught on video.
And over 5,000 people a year are killed on US highways involving accidents with trucks, whether the car crashed into the truck or the truck crashed into the car.
But because now there's like so many dash cams in the trucks now, all this footage is coming out and people are really starting to see this horrific footage.
tim pool
Or the dude who couldn't read English.
justin martin
Yeah.
Many of that too.
I love reading posts from large Twitter accounts where they'll retweet some headline involving trucking and they're like, wait, this isn't going on.
I'm like, you have no idea.
It's so much worse than you do.
tim pool
Have you done a mini doc about all this stuff?
justin martin
Yeah.
So part of why I'm here is a mutual friend, Adam Coleman.
He reached out to me to help on an article he was writing.
And so I just gave him all the dirt on trucking and he's like, this is insane.
And I said, you're absolutely right.
The day he was submitting that article to his editor was when the wreck in Indiana happened.
The van of Amish guys got smeared.
So he's like, I got to completely rework this article.
I want to get a quote from you.
Because what was horseshit about that accident was Sean Duffy himself retweeted libs of TikTok with a video of that carrier swapping the signs out.
So they knew about this carrier like a month and a half before this accident.
They had plenty of time to get guys on the ground to knock on some doors and say, Hey, can we see your paperwork?
What's going on here?
This was part of a massive Uzbekistan chameleon carry network based out of Chicago.
And there are maybe one out of like literal thousands in the area.
And they had.
Ample warning to save those guys' lives, and they did nothing, and now five people are dead.
But that one is 100%.
tim pool
It seems like every industry, when you get granular with it, is fucking broken.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right?
tim pool
So you talk to somebody who's in trucking and you learn about how bad it really is.
But I think the same is true for every industry right now.
justin martin
Yeah.
Especially with trucking, it gets even worse with the foreign ownership because once I started screeching about trucking enough, People would come to me with like rumors about, you know, oh, we hear, you know, the military loads are getting kind of squirrely.
And I'm like, what?
Because I used to haul what's called AAE freight, arms, ammunitions, and explosives.
So I was a DOD contractor.
I'd go to military bases.
We'd deliver bombs, explosives, munitions, all kinds of cool shit.
And so I knew that industry inside and out.
And to even hear like rumors about that kind of shit, I'm like, people's careers need to be evaporated.
And eventually, two executives from a trucking company that were in that space came to me with a bunch of receipts.
And I was like, Holy shit.
unidentified
Wow.
justin martin
I'll give you an example.
There's a guy in Kenya who owns a trucking company in South Carolina that's one pickup truck.
And somehow this guy is getting like 200 loads a month out of this one pickup truck.
And so he's getting awarded all these military contracts, the whole military freight.
But when you look at his company activity on GenLogs, this like trucking visibility platform that has cameras all over the United States, no movement, none whatsoever.
So what this guy's doing is he's taking.
He's getting awarded contracts to haul military freight, and then he's brokering those loads out to outside carriers.
So, and that alone is like scary enough.
But again, we don't know what kind of electronic logging devices these carriers that are hauling this freight are using.
So, Every time I talk to guys in the administration or in the military about what's going on, they're always like, okay, yeah, that's a little squirrely.
And I'm like, no, you don't understand.
It gets even worse because all that data of the truck movement is being monitored by guys overseas.
So all they got to do, just like how the OP load got stolen or Guy Fieri had his tequila stolen, these guys are watching military loads get moved around all over the United States.
And say we need to go kinetic on Iran next time or another country, all they got to do is look at the volume of military loads being shipped around the country.
And they know before we even have boots on the ground.
Because we got to supply those guys first.
And it's just every time we've brought this up, some of these things, you sound insane when you start ranting on this stuff.
But even people in the administration are like, this is fucked up.
We got to really take care of it.
But then Minneapolis burns down or some other bigger headline pops up and they've been kicking this can down the line.
So we're really fortunate that these guys that are doing this shit, all they want to do for right now, all they want to do is haul the freight.
It's very easy, it pays very well.
They're not stupid enough to fuck with it right now.
I'm worried about when enough of these guys are in the space that they do want to start fucking with it and then we get run for it.
unidentified
Jeez, dude.
tim pool
I think we're largely screwed because of population, but that's just everything.
Hey, did you want to add anything to that?
unidentified
Shout anything out?
hades hellscare in unknown
One last quick question.
Could you shout out that site that you talked about earlier, the one where you report trucking companies?
justin martin
Yeah, searchcarriers.com.
hades hellscare in unknown
Searchcarriers.com.
justin martin
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Thank you.
hades hellscare in unknown
Well, thank you, my fellow steering wheel holder.
God bless you and keep her shiny side up.
And Tim, thanks to all you guys and the crew.
Y'all have a great night.
God bless.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in, brother.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
Next up, we've got Tiny Tree Hands.
unidentified
What's going on?
tate brown
What's up, Tiny Tree Hands?
unidentified
TTH.
What's up?
tiny tree hands in unknown
How are you guys doing tonight?
unidentified
Hey, man.
I'm doing all right.
I'm doing all right.
ian crossland
I don't piss.
I feel great.
unidentified
Excellent.
tiny tree hands in unknown
I kind of have to take a piss too, Ian.
unidentified
Must be something going on.
ian crossland
Blood pressure's going to go down.
tim pool
Birds of a feather.
unidentified
Am I right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
justin martin
I go one step ahead.
I've been sipping this.
ian crossland
Animal.
Animal.
unidentified
It's good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You practice, though, because we're talking a piss holding contest.
unidentified
He'd win.
What's good, man?
Yeah.
tiny tree hands in unknown
So, my question for you guys is there's a couple YouTube channels that have been really exposing this as well.
Bonehead truckers being the primary one that I watch.
But there's a ton of these accidents that are taking place all across America that are making national headlines that are involving H 1B visa drivers as well as illegal drivers.
Is it time now to conduct a 24 to 48 hour safety stand down, just shut trucking down for 24 to 48 hours to examine everything and clean it up?
justin martin
Well, first, shout out to Ike.
I know Bonehead.
He's a good dude.
I've been advocating for like forever that we need to have ICE agents at way stations.
The way stations need to be open 24 7.
When you go on the highways today, when you're driving during the day, you don't really see too many of these guys.
But as soon as the sun goes down and the way stations close, they're everywhere.
It's nothing but auto haulers and Amazon trailers, as far as I can see.
So these guys aren't stupid.
They know when the way stations are open.
They have Telegram groups and Google chats that alert them to when.
tim pool
Explain the function of the way station because I'm not familiar.
tate brown
So.
justin martin
By federal law, unless you have special permits, the truck cannot weigh more than 80,000 pounds gross.
So, the weight of the truck, the trailer, and the load that's in it all together cannot be over 80,000 pounds.
So, all over the United States highway, interstate highway system, we have weigh stations.
So, you're in the truck, you're driving down the highway, the scale says open.
So, you pull in.
tim pool
You have to pull in if it's open?
justin martin
Yeah, you have to pull in.
There are exemptions.
If you have like a pre-pass, if you pay into this network and they might have like a pre-scale before you get to the scale, if everything checks out, you get a green light.
You're away, you go.
Uh, but for the unlucky few who have to go into the way station, the officer will have you pull up onto a scale, it'll weigh you.
And if everything checks out, you don't have any hoses falling off, they don't hear any air leaks, you're good.
You're gonna go.
If they do catch something, it's okay, driver, pull around, pull around back, bring your paperwork in.
And that's where these guys are getting popped in like Arkansas, where you know they roll up, the paperwork is out of order, or like the registration on the truck isn't right, and then they can't even talk to the officers because the guy's from China and he's been fresh off the boat for six weeks.
unidentified
Damn.
Wow.
Yeah.
justin martin
So Oklahoma is one of the first states.
tim pool
Just real quick, every truck has to pull into a way station every time.
unidentified
Except for.
justin martin
If it's open, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
justin martin
If you try to bypass the scale or get around it, if there's a DOT cop, it's an easy.
tim pool
My only reference is Super Troopers.
You've seen it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The beginning when he's like, you missed that way station back then.
I was like, did I miss that one?
I've been hauling.
What was his name?
Gala Canucus or something?
They're making Super Troopers 3, by the way.
unidentified
My bad.
justin martin
My first job I ever had was working at a movie theater.
unidentified
Oh, me too.
justin martin
I was working there when Super Troopers was there.
Every cop in Palm Beach County would come to my theater to watch it.
tim pool
Oh, it's such a good movie.
justin martin
Yeah.
But so, Oklahoma.
So, when you hear about like Sean Duffy or DOT bragging about X number of drivers being taken out of service because they can't speak English, it's a fucking parking ticket.
Like, these guys are immediately back in the truck and rolling again.
Unless they're taken out of the truck and having their immigration status checked and then put through a detention center, they don't stop.
It doesn't shut them down.
Oklahoma is an exemption.
Truck Driver Shortages Explained 00:05:56
justin martin
They have partnered with ICE, with their DOT, and they run these operations called Operation Guardian every couple of weeks or months.
The very first time they ran one last year, it lasted three days and only three days because they ran out of room.
Within the span of three days, it was like 159 trucks that they had in custody and all their drivers, and they just ran out of room.
So they keep doing this operation every few months.
Now, Mark Wayne Mullen, the new head of ICE, I'm really bullish on him.
I think he's going to start expanding the operations that they've done in Oklahoma to other states, and we're going to see some heavy enforcement going forward.
Because that's always been.
What everybody in the industry has been waiting on is like, okay, all these new rules, these new regulations are all coming into effect, but where's the enforcement?
Like, we don't have enough boots on the ground.
We don't have enough bodies to throw at the problem.
Now they do.
With the big, beautiful bill, we had $187 billion in immigration enforcement, $80 billion going directly to ICE.
That's a lot of cash on the table for the states.
And I think if the states want any of that pile of cash, they're going to have to go through.
I don't know if there's a legal term for it, but they can basically be deputized into ICE, their law enforcement.
Because for years and years and years, if I'm a DOT cop and I pull a driver over, I'm a DOT cop.
I'm not ICE, I'm not INS.
Whether that guy's in the country or not legally, that's not my thing.
If my buddy is next to me, he's an ICE agent, he wants to check him, by all means, but it's not my job.
That's so common in government thinking, it's not my job.
I'm also a former postal worker, too.
So we would see that everywhere.
unidentified
Hmm.
You want to add anything or shout anything out?
tiny tree hands in unknown
Well, yeah, man.
Actually, if you don't mind.
My son is a musician.
I've called him before.
We actually just put a YouTube page out together for him.
It's Master QDHF Music on YouTube.
He's in six different bands now.
He's a drummer, a bassist, and a singer.
If everybody could check it out.
And one last thing in honor of 420, everybody that's in the Frederick, Maryland area, check out AW Smoke Shop.
Used to be Willie Smoke Shop in the 300 block of North Market Street.
And stop in and see my man.
tim pool
Right on, brother.
Thanks for calling in.
unidentified
Shout out to Frederick.
tiny tree hands in unknown
Yeah, have a good night, guys.
unidentified
See you, man.
tim pool
Next up, we've got Brandon Brown.
What's up, brother?
unidentified
What up?
brandon brown in unknown
Oh, not a whole lot.
How are you guys doing tonight?
unidentified
Oh, so good.
Going good.
Good, good.
brandon brown in unknown
So, my question is for the guest.
Name I forgot.
justin martin
Justin, how are you doing?
unidentified
To what?
brandon brown in unknown
Pretty good.
To what degree have truckers that were forced out of the business during the Biden administration gone and what level of pay is going to bring them back in?
justin martin
Damn good question.
Turnover in the industry has always been a problem.
If you have a CDL, you'll never be out of a job.
Most guys hop from job to job.
I think the difference today is that a lot of new people that come into the industry.
When they wash out, they just wash out of trucking, period.
It's a lifestyle.
It's not a job.
And I think far too many people come into this thinking that it's going to be a job.
Most of the carriers that went bankrupt post the COVID boom, they're just not coming back.
It's going to have to be new people coming into the industry and growing their own fleets that really take over.
brandon brown in unknown
Well, I mean, speaking of new people coming in, in the federal prison system, the most popular.
Programming classes, the written portion of the truck driving class, you see a lot of the former inmates following through and actually getting their CDL.
And how are they doing?
justin martin
Very bad.
The prison to trucker pipeline is like one of my biggest pet peeves because most of those programs are basically just like a money laundering front from the states because, again, they're all operating under the assumption that there's a truck driver shortage.
There is not, has never been, and never could possibly be a perpetual nationwide truck driver shortage in the U.S.
We issue more than 450,000 CDLs every single year.
And again, there's only half a million trucking companies in the US.
So every time you see one of these programs, it's a push by lobbyists at places like the ATA that are just trying to flood the market with more capacity and bring down wages.
brandon brown in unknown
Oh, okay.
I mean, I thought it was kind of a good thing because you see this programming and you want people to get into work.
justin martin
Yeah, on paper, it makes sense because it's like, okay, we want to lower the rate of recidivism and we've got to get these guys a job somewhere.
But what you don't realize is that most of these trucking companies, depending on where you're going, if you have a felony on your record, they're not going to let you inside the facility.
So, any kind of real money that you're going to make in trucking, as far as like hazmat freight or sensitive cargo, those avenues are completely blocked from you.
You know, if you're lucky and you can get a job in like waste management somewhere, Or a construction site where you have to use a CDL, that's a good path.
But for the most part, a lot of these like prison, the trucking pipelines, it's just a mega carrier somewhere that's needing more bodies because everyone keeps quitting because they're not paying enough because there are too many truck drivers.
brandon brown in unknown
All right.
Well, I mean, that really well answers my question.
justin martin
Thanks for the question.
brandon brown in unknown
I wish I had another follow up because I was quick, but you guys have a great evening.
It's been a great show.
justin martin
Thank you.
unidentified
Thanks for calling in, brother.
justin martin
Speaking of 420, truck drivers can't partake.
It is illegal.
unidentified
It's probably good.
justin martin
I disagree.
I've always vehemently said, you know, what you do on your own time and your own dime is your business.
I, as a truck driver, can go to a bar and get blackout drunk, wait eight hours, and get
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