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April 7, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:45:58
TRUMP DECLARES IRAN WAR CEASFIRE | Timcast IRL

Tim Pool and Lydia Moynihan dissect Trump's declared Iran ceasefire, noting a 15% oil price drop and relief from nuclear threats despite criticism from "grifters." They debate the political fallout for midterms, defend U.S. benevolence against isolationist narratives, and refute conspiracy theories regarding Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk. The conversation shifts to income inequality caused by zero-interest policies, critiques the new Animal Farm film's misrepresentation of capitalism, and opposes casting changes in the HBO Harry Potter series. Ultimately, the hosts argue that economic productivity and historical context matter more than performative outrage or manipulated media narratives. [Automatically generated summary]

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tim pool
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Trump Calls for Ceasefire 00:02:23
tim pool
Donald Trump has announced a ceasefire with Iran and preliminary reports suggest they have accepted a two week ceasefire.
The Strait of Hormuz will be open and peaceful for two weeks and already oil prices have dropped 15%.
Now we've got the 10 point plan from Iran, which they are saying is the basis for negotiations, which will begin on Friday.
And I gotta tell you, my friends, whatever you want to say, I am happy that we are backing away from nuclear annihilation, whatever it may be.
Now, I'm not going to play any stupid games and insult Donald Trump when he's doing what we want him to do and we don't want war to escalate.
Yet, for the life of me, I will just say this.
I am infuriated by the alleged Trump critics attacking the man for having called off the attack on Iran.
They are going after him and saying he's a coward and a chicken for not attacking Iran.
Yet, the whole time they attacked the man for attacking Iran.
So, which is it?
These people are grifters and they are liars.
They never actually cared.
They were saying what they said.
Thought they needed to say on the internet to get clicks and retweets.
And we're going to back that up because I am pissed off about this.
Listen, you guys know that I have been opposed to intervention and regime change.
That's basically my shtick.
And that's why I supported Tulsi Gabbard.
And I said, when Donald Trump started this war, it is not effective to insult the man when you're trying to convince him to do something you want him to do.
And you've got to be able to keep one hand on the steering wheel.
Yet people went crazy attacking Donald Trump and insulting him.
And I said, I respect the arguments, okay?
Because we want to try and keep things together.
But now that Donald Trump has done what these people have asked him to do, And backed off of attacking Iran and calling for a ceasefire, agreeing to it, they are still insulting the man.
No matter what he does, he is wrong.
And we will not be able to have a cohesive, functioning government with grifters on all sides lying about what they actually want to happen.
You can tell I'm pissed, but we have a lot to talk about.
Oil prices going down, things are starting to improve, and we need to encourage in every possible way this ceasefire to hold.
Now, of course, we have a bunch of other news related to this.
We now have, I can't believe I'm saying it, Candace Owens and AOC together at last, calling for the impeachment and removal of the Mad King.
How about that?
This is where we are as a country and grifting all the way down.
We're going to talk about that a lot more.
Candace Owens and AOC Unite 00:03:01
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Lydia Moynihan.
unidentified
Nice to be here.
tim pool
Who are you?
lydia monaghan
It's a sort of a philosophical question.
unidentified
It's a tough one.
lydia monaghan
Yeah, it is a tough one.
I think for your viewers and listeners, I am a New York Post columnist correspondent covering kind of the intersection of business, technology, politics.
And yeah, I'm glad to be here.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
It's great to have you.
It should be fun.
Brett's hanging out.
brett dasovic
Guys, it has been a very, very long time.
It's been like, what, I think over a month.
I was out for several weeks as my voice was completely gone.
I will try to not cough through the show tonight, but it's very good to be here.
Normally, I'm doing Pop Culture Crisis.
Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, which is, of course, noon Pacific on YouTube and Rumble.
You should go join us there because we're trying to get back in the algorithm after I was gone for a week and a half.
And that was when I realized that day where I'm like, it's just, you know, that, remember Deadpool over there?
unidentified
No days off.
brett dasovic
And he's like, till you're 90.
Voice Recovery After Silence 00:15:13
unidentified
Yes.
brett dasovic
I was like, we missed like less than two weeks.
And just because we had no videos coming out, the algorithm has decimated us.
And I realized this will be me until I am old and gray.
So go subscribe.
Get us back in the algorithm.
tim pool
Carter, of course, is pressing all the buttons.
carter banks
What's up?
Good to have you both here.
tim pool
And Phil, of course.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
Let's go.
tim pool
Here's the news story, ladies and gentlemen.
It's tremendous.
Some say the best news oil prices plunge 15%.
Stock futures rally after Trump floats a two week Iran war ceasefire.
The price of crude oil fell below $100 per barrel, a stunning drop after it was trading as high as $117 earlier in the day.
We're hearing crypto is through the roof.
Everybody is happy.
I love it.
This is fantastic news.
Now, we've got reports that Iran is.
is accepting the initial two week ceasefire.
Negotiations will begin.
Check this out.
We've got this from Sayyid Abbas Arag, Aragshi.
I probably can't pronounce his name, name right on X. He's the foreign minister of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
So say it his accountant, 700 followers who follow him with this statement.
On behalf of the Islamic Republic of Iran, I express gratitude and appreciation for my dear brothers.
He, prime minister of Pakistan, Sharif, and what is, is he like something?
His excellency.
His excellency.
Thank you for that.
Uh, field marshal Munir for their tireless efforts to end the war in the region.
In response to the brotherly, brotherly request of PM Sharif in his tweet, And considering the request by the U.S. for negotiations based on its 15 point proposal, as well as the announcement by POTUS about acceptance of the general framework of Iran's 10 point proposal as a basis for negotiations, I hereby declare on behalf of Iran's Supreme National Security Council if attacks against Iran are halted, our powerful armed forces will cease their defensive operations.
For a period of two weeks, safe passage to the Strait of Hormuz will be possible by coordination with Iran's armed forces and with due consideration of technical limitations.
This Is tremendous.
It is exactly what you would expect to happen at the cessation of hostilities.
Neither side is going to come out and say we are losers and we've been defeated.
Both sides are going to say we have made tremendous accomplishments.
Now, Donald Trump has agreed to these terms.
We saw a tweet from the prime minister of Pakistan.
Iran has now announced they're agreeing to this.
We're going to see oil prices drop already.
They're dropping.
Fantastic news and a tremendous success for the Trump administration.
I'm going to tell you why.
And I'm going to tell you to ignore the naysayers and the grifters and the liars.
I am not happy about the incursion into Iran.
I did not vote for this.
I am not going to pretend that I support it.
But this is a victory for the Trump administration in that they took out the Ayatollah.
They took out the top echelon of Iranian government, and now they have a cessation of hostilities.
If this holds, Trump will have a moderate victory in the region, which will be good for his plans moving forward and Western sphere of influence control over the energy coming out of Iran.
Is it everything the Western powers might want?
I don't know.
But it's still a victory.
And I'm going to say it again.
Trump flattened and took out, killed their leadership.
And now hostilities are ceasing for the time being.
If we can finish this and get those negotiations through, Trump will have won.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, go ahead.
lydia monaghan
No, true.
I think we're better off now than we were before.
And already I'm hearing these sort of refrains that, oh, no, no, no, we're way worse.
No, we've actually decimated the IRCG.
And bear in mind, Hezbollah seems to be decapitated.
So we're already seeing their proxies, which to me, as an American and as somebody who is concerned about the region, that was what we were most impacted by, obviously Hezbollah, Hamas.
So if you're decapitating those proxies, that in and of itself, I think, is a huge victory.
And I was concerned because we do have a really horrible track record.
In the Middle East, of getting involved, staying there, and then not knowing how to extricate ourselves.
And I kept, I was like, I'm going to wait six weeks.
I'm going to wait six weeks.
Let's see how this goes.
I was a little worried, right?
Because, you know, the military is out of this world insane, but sometimes we don't have the foreign policy strategy.
So sometimes we really haven't had any strategy in the Middle East.
So I was worried.
And now we're extricating ourselves.
I think Americans are a lot safer as a result.
And we're getting our boys and girls out of there.
unidentified
Thank God.
phil labonte
I mean, look, if this actually does wrap up the war, then I think that's a good thing.
I would like to see.
I was never like, we need to go and strike Iran.
I was always kind of like, look, I don't want to.
I do want to see the best possible outcome for the United States because I'm always pro America.
But if this is the off road that prevents boots on the ground and some kind of major invasion, then I'm okay with it.
tim pool
I got no problem saying I was wrong about boots on the ground if Trump succeeds, and I will apologize.
I will apologize with the utmost gratitude if it does not happen for insinuating that it could.
We've got a two week ceasefire, and hopefully this weekend they announce something longer and more permanent.
And then I will, with a smile on my face, laugh as I say I was wrong about this.
This is good news.
This is fantastic news.
We should all be happy.
And more importantly, for those asking, okay, what does this really mean for me?
It means your gas prices are going down.
brett dasovic
Okay, so that was my main question.
You said you think we're better off now than we were before.
So I guess technically that counts on if gas prices come down because, you know, Respect to what you were saying about Hezbollah and terrorism in the Middle East, is the average everyday American isn't necessarily thinking about foreign terrorist threats.
What they're looking at is how it's affecting their wallet right now.
And the joke, I guess, you know, stark humorous it is, is like the idea of Trump being the bull in the China shop made sense to me when you could get gas prices down and potentially arrest bad political actors that have committed crimes within your own government.
But once we started going to war again in the Middle East, you're like, look, I don't know if all that much has changed.
So, yes, gas prices do need to come back down.
Otherwise, people look at the midterms already.
This has been damaging for them as far as the midterms because for a lot of people, it seems like we're looking at a lot more of the same, despite the fact that we were kind of sold the idea that things were going to be different this time around.
And look, you got to give them time.
Obviously, the gas prices aren't going to come down overnight.
But when gas prices go up, that also means that the prices of other goods go up.
Bitcoin, before you said that it was rebounding today, had kind of stagnated and was dropping.
tim pool
Bro, $6 diesel.
Yeah, down the street, we're in the middle, and we're in a rural area.
Six dollar diesel that means everything's going through the roof.
Yeah, your milk, your bread, your eggs.
So, this is we everyone should be very happy.
And I'll tell you, if people were sincere about their criticisms of Trump, they would be saying, Thank you, Donald Trump, for this.
brett dasovic
Thank you for doing the right thing, or at the very least, like waiting to see how it shakes out in the next couple of days to see if things actually do start looking like they're making changes.
lydia monaghan
Yeah, it's fair to be cautiously optimistic.
I think with the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, a couple things on that.
I mean, the fact that the Iranians were able to close it in this way.
Is a sign that they could have and would have at any moment.
So I think if we're able to resolve that.
That's a good and a positive thing because that was always their point of leverage.
I also think gas prices right now are kind of where they were under Biden, even with all of this pressure.
It's interesting the Red Sea, we kind of forget this.
The Hooties basically had the Red Sea and under lock and key for like almost a year.
There was so much delay shipping through that.
So, this, the Strait of Hormuz has only been delayed a couple weeks.
And now that it's open, we're going to see it back to normal very quickly.
This isn't, I feel like I've heard so many people say, oh, this is going to be.
A year to get back to where we were.
No, it's not.
It's going to be a couple of weeks.
tim pool
I want to stress this point, guys.
We covered on this show the Houthi rebels bombing cargo ships in the Red Sea.
Civilian cargo ships, not involved in war.
It's literally companies being like, we made some stools to sell for bars.
And they're like, we're going to blow them up because you're off that.
You're an offense to our religious fervor and the goals that we have.
lydia monaghan
And they got all their money from where?
tim pool
From Iran.
They were armed and funded and supplied.
And it's not just there, Iraq as well.
So the U.S. has had a bone to pick with Iran.
Flattening their leadership.
I'm sorry, if the hostilities stop and everyone says if prices went to normal, the US won, Trump won.
lydia monaghan
100%.
tim pool
They took out the Iranian government.
lydia monaghan
Bear in mind, yeah, normal under Trump is a hell of a lot better than it was under Biden.
tim pool
So, you know, what's funny is with Venezuela too, I was initially very concerned because you take out Maduro, you open up a vacuum.
Is some strong man going to come in?
unidentified
But that's held.
tim pool
And the issue with Venezuela is.
Maduro stole our oil assets.
I will scream this to the high heavens.
In 2009, our oil companies had their assets all stolen.
We had a treaty.
We played fair.
The U.S. was not some evil, oppressive colonizer who went to Venezuela and took everything.
We went there and said, We'll pay for the oil infrastructure.
We'll do it, and you'll get free money.
And then they stole it from us.
Trump went in, got Maduro out, and now we've gotten back our oil infrastructure.
And that is justice.
And we did not get instability.
And I am hoping that holds, but it looks pretty dang good.
So Trump has done a fairly good job on foreign policy across the board.
My biggest fears with Iran.
Where the, it appeared, escalation was underway with Trump saying, I'm going to wipe out a civilization.
It's terrifying.
Now we have an announcement of a ceasefire and both sides are agreeing to negotiate.
Trump might get out of this one once again with a victory.
brett dasovic
So, what does it look like long term for him, given that the midterms are coming and people are talking about like if we end up losing House and Senate, they're going to look at impeachments again.
unidentified
Oh, fair.
brett dasovic
Slow down progress again.
phil labonte
Yep.
Look, I'm still of the opinion that if the economy is doing well, The Republicans can win.
And again, I. Both House and Senate?
Yeah.
But this is, I have to, I have this caveat that is not making a prediction that they will.
That is saying that it's possible.
tim pool
Except the net favorability for party, the GOP is up five points.
Democrats have a historic low for a midterm lead, even with their lead.
So, trend wise, for special elections, it looks very good for Democrats.
Historic polling as of right now, it actually looks very bad for Democrats.
And that's surprising to me.
Again, CNN said, GOP net favorability is up five points, and Democrats, the generic ballot for Congress, is only up five points, which is a historic low.
And the prediction markets are still saying Democrats are going to take the House.
I think I'd figure it would have been at least two to one, not four to one.
Like right now, it's four to one Democrats to win.
I'd be like, two to one's fine because what?
They might win three or four seats in the majority.
But Republicans can turn this one around.
This is going to be a major component of this.
If Trump walks away with a new peace agreement, and then we get a Straight up, we have secured the region.
We have ended the violence from the militia groups, the rebels, and Iran has now agreed to the terms of a ceasefire.
That's going to be a major boost for him.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it could be.
I do think that the Democrats are, or I mean, I'm aware that Democrats are historically unpopular.
I think that that's largely because of the fight between the progressives in the Democrat Party and the what you consider sane, normal Democrats.
lydia monaghan
Are the moderates or the same people in the Democrat Party?
phil labonte
Well, the problem is you can't really tell.
And I think that's part of why they're unpopular.
lydia monaghan
I can't think of one person who is being annoyed.
phil labonte
But the point that I'm making is like, even if they run as a moderate, they'll do what Spanberger did or whatever if they get elected.
And I think that the American people generally know that.
Like, I think that people saw through Gavin Newsom going on all the podcasts and talking to the pod bros and being like, oh, you know, going on Sean Ryan and be like, I own a gun and I'm a gun god BS, you are.
unidentified
Like, Tim Waltz.
I'm a real fan.
phil labonte
Yeah, you know, you know, oh, it's like, you know, or Kamala Harris.
Oh, yeah, I own a Glock.
Yeah, sure you do.
But the fact of the matter is, I think the American people really know where the Democrat parties, like, where their minds are.
And they haven't forgot about all the woke stuff.
Even though woke is like, right now it's kind of like, It hasn't gone anywhere.
If the Democrats come back, I think most people are aware that that's coming back as well.
And I think you can look at Virginia as evidence of that.
Spanberger ran as a centrist.
She was supposed to be, she was worried about the cost of everything.
And then when she gets into office, there's like 20 new taxes that Virginians have to worry about.
tim pool
Guns are illegal now.
phil labonte
Yeah, there's all that stuff.
brett dasovic
Who was the guy who was running for DA who said that he wanted Lay Jones?
tim pool
He also tried to kick a dog, which is the weirdest thing.
brett dasovic
That video is crazy.
unidentified
Anyone?
brett dasovic
He tried to kick a little dog.
lydia monaghan
Kicking animals has the worst karma.
Thank God.
I'm thinking of him.
I'm thinking of Christy Gnome.
unidentified
It wasn't.
lydia monaghan
It is not okay to abuse animals and it will come back to bite you.
And I hope this is also true of Hassan Piker, who shocks his dog.
What the hell?
brett dasovic
It wasn't even like he was like aiming.
It looked like it was just second nature to him to just kick animals.
He took the dog and jumped out of the way.
Like his leg just did it without him trying to do it.
unidentified
Like several on the way to walk that day.
lydia monaghan
That's a beautiful reminder about Democrats not being sane.
One thing that I think has been a good and a positive thing out of this war is we have seen the left truly like root for.
unidentified
Iran.
lydia monaghan
Like, we have seen the insanity of like people marching in Paris in the middle of New York City.
There are like pro, like, I think normal people see that and they're like, oh, what the hell?
Like, this is kind of insane.
Anyone who supports this supports Iran.
That's a wake up call.
tim pool
Let's jump to the next part of the story.
We've got this tweet from our good friend Brian Krasenstein.
He says, breaking, happy Taco Tuesday.
Told you so.
I'm glad.
Taco Tuesday means Trump always chickens out.
And I'm going to show you some of this.
We've got actual friend of the show, Sagar and Jetty.
Taco Tuesday, it is pending Iranian approval.
We've got Chris Martinson, also who has appeared on this show, posting a picture of a taco.
And we've got AF Post, after promising to destroy Iran, Trump agrees to a taco Tuesday two week ceasefire.
And then, of course, just a spattering of all the stupid taco posts.
Let me tell you what this means.
These people who claim to be anti Trump, well, they are anti Trump, but the people who claim to oppose the war with Iran, who are angry that Donald Trump threatened Iran, went to war in Iran, Are now attacking him as a chicken for doing what they asked him to do.
Of course.
These people are grifters.
They are liars.
They are fanning the flames of destruction and World War III, and they should be called out for this.
And I'm going to say this of everybody the Krasensteins I get, but Sagar, why are you joining in on this?
The appropriate and rational response is thank you, Mr. President, for not getting us into nuclear war.
Thank you, Mr. President.
For agreeing to the terms of a ceasefire and beginning these negotiations.
Israel Interests Under Fire 00:15:44
tim pool
If you don't like the man, that's fine.
But the idea that all of these people all of a sudden just came out now and are saying Trump's a chicken, what do you want him to do?
You want him to bomb Iran now?
I'll tell you what.
Let me ask you a question.
When there's a little kid and he's going to jump off like a 20 foot quarry into the water, what do you say to him when he says, I don't want to do it?
What do you call him?
You say, You're a chicken?
unidentified
Chicken?
tim pool
Come on, chicken.
This is them goading Trump.
To attack Iran.
I don't, for the life of me, understand what is wrong with these people.
When Trump says, I am not going to attack Iran, you say, Wow, that is incredibly brave of you.
The Iranians could break the terms of this at any moment and it would be bad for your legacy, but you are taking the right step.
Thank you for doing the right thing.
I can't stand these people.
They're hypocrites, liars, and grifters.
phil labonte
There's so many people that are now saying things like, Oh, Iran won the war, Iran won the war.
And it's like, Look, man, these people were going to say that no matter what because they are actually.
Anti American.
Even people on the right that say that.
lydia monaghan
Yeah, reposting like Iranian propaganda.
Like that's where some people clearly are getting their news is literally from Iranian propaganda.
tim pool
Joe Kent following this, I will say this.
I do believe that we may see Tucker Carlson come out and say, Thank you, Mr. President.
Because Tucker has been particularly measured in how he's approached these things.
He's a smart guy and he understands how to communicate his opinions effectively without, well, let's say he is a bit controversial as of recent, but I think he'll do the smart thing.
Now, Joe Kent didn't come out.
In the most aggressive and insulting of manners.
But his response to the ceasefire was now we must restrain Israel.
Is your intention to antagonize Israel right now?
Because they're trigger happy.
This is irresponsible for him to make a statement like this.
I'm just, I'm sick of the people who can't just back off, say, guys, the rickety bridge could collapse at any moment.
Shut your mouths and let them negotiate a ceasefire.
Instead, they're like, what do you think a person's reaction is going to be if someone said, you need to be restrained?
They're going to be like, what you say to me?
You want to go?
Who do you think you are telling me you're going to put a leash on me?
They're intentionally challenging and insulting Trump and Israel at a time when we're trying to get them to back off.
lydia monaghan
I think it underscores the fact that so much of this rhetoric is just that.
People are just posting shit and saying shit.
They don't actually think, like all of the people yesterday who were like, oh, Trump is going to destroy a civilization.
They didn't actually believe.
phil labonte
No, not once.
Not one of them believed.
lydia monaghan
No one really, all of the panicans did not genuinely think that Trump was going to destroy the entirety of Iran.
No one believed that.
And so now that they're saying, it's like, of course, like they're just.
phil labonte
My mentions were an absolute train wreck all day of people saying, oh, blah, blah, blah, Trump's going to destroy it.
He said he's going to destroy the civilization, blah, And I'm just like, do you people really believe that he's going to use nuclear weapons?
And there were people that were like, you'll see, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, how could you possibly believe that?
You're all so ridiculous.
tim pool
I tweeted, Trump has two choices.
Iran's not going to back down, it's annihilation or it's retreat.
I said, Trump is going to find a strategic retreat that is the safest and best play for him to make.
And I got responses from these people being like, You've been wrong the whole time.
You said Trump wouldn't go to war with Iran.
You're wrong now.
And I wasn't.
brett dasovic
Yeah, but the underscore there is that Trump gets himself into trouble with the way he tweets a lot of the time.
It's just true.
For them, not that you should operate under the premise that you need to make the bad actors happy, but he does it to himself.
The administration does this with their messaging around ICE, with the hype videos of people getting arrested and stuff like that.
It's red meat for the base, but it turns off the people who are somewhere in the middle.
And the people who are upset right now are the ones that are in the middle.
Voted for Trump reluctantly.
tim pool
Take a look at this.
This is the next component of the story.
Ryan Grimm says, This is unbelievable.
The edit history on this tweet shows that Pakistan Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif originally copied and pasted everything he was sent.
So let me first show you his statement.
His statement is Diplomatic efforts for peaceful settlement of the ongoing war in the Middle East are progressing steadily, strongly, and powerfully, with the potential to lead to substantive results in the near future.
To allow diplomacy to run its course, I earnestly request President Trump to extend the deadline for two weeks.
Pakistan, in all sincerity, requests the Iranian brothers to open the Strait of Hormuz for a corresponding period of two weeks.
As a goodwill gesture, we also urge all warring parties to observe a ceasefire everywhere for two weeks to allow diplomacy to achieve conclusive termination of war in the interest of long term peace and stability in the region.
However, at the top of this message, it says draft Pakistan's PM message on X.
The implication that they're making Ryan Grimm says obviously Sharif's own staff don't call him Pakistan's PM.
They would just call him prime minister.
The U.S. and Israel, of course, would call him Pakistan's PM.
Would be funny if the fate of the world wasn't hanging in the balance.
What they are trying to insinuate right now is that Pakistan did not actually agree to make this happen, that the U.S. and Israel made the prime minister of Pakistan issue this statement, all because he had a draft statement referring to Pakistan's PM.
I will first say, I don't care.
A ceasefire is good.
Why are you guys trying to stop this from happening?
Honest question The people who don't like Trump and claim they don't want a war with Iran are doing everything in their power to make sure the ceasefire fails.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Well, I mean, secretly pro Israel the whole time.
I mean, Candace has been pro Israel her whole career, and all of a sudden she's not.
phil labonte
So, I mean, she is.
Look, the meta for getting internet clicks and getting internet money right now is to be anti Israel.
So, that's why I think there's a ton of people that have jumped on the anti Israel train just because they're like, look, it's popular.
Young people don't like Israel, or they're either ambivalent or very critical of Israel.
The best way to get internet clicks and basically get money is to be critical of Israel.
And I think there's a ton of people that are doing this just to cash in.
There are people, obviously, that are.
That are critical.
But the fact that they talk about Israel all the time.
lydia monaghan
It's so simplistic to blame one teeny tiny country for all of the world's woes.
I mean, when you look at the map of how teeny it is and the map, and you juxtapose that with like the Islamic controlled territory all through the Middle East, and you're like, really?
unidentified
That's true.
lydia monaghan
That's what you're going to focus on this year.
phil labonte
But not only that, like the argument that they're making is that the United States doesn't have agency at all, right?
The United States, because the argument they make is that we are a client state of Israel, not the other way around.
tim pool
That's because they are retarded.
phil labonte
Yes, I know.
I agree.
brett dasovic
You did just get kind of angry.
tim pool
And that's my principal argument.
So when you're like Tim Pool's argument, you're retarded.
Yes, that's it.
That's the only point I have to make.
unidentified
You are a retard.
tim pool
No, I'll give you an actual argument.
It's that when I ask all of these people, what are Israel's interests in the Panama Canal?
They go, I don't know.
What's Israel's interests in Greenland?
I don't know.
What's Israel's interests in Taiwan?
I don't know.
Well, it sounds like Israel doesn't have interests there.
And Israel's interests are in the Middle East, which just so happens a component of our foreign policy is as well.
So it seems like they're an ally of ours in the Middle East.
So, yeah, when it comes to the Middle East, we work with them.
lydia monaghan
It's also insane that all of the people who are saying that Trump doesn't have any allies and he doesn't know how to work with other countries, then they're the ones who are saying, oh, well, we're just listening to it.
It's like, well, do you want us to work with other countries?
Do you want us to have allies in the region?
Or then are you just going to blame Israel for everything and that we just are a subject to them?
tim pool
I will say, I'm like really impressed.
They think the Jews are like, Like an alien occupying force that has superpowers.
I'm not, I'm trying to figure out how to phrase this properly.
lydia monaghan
God's chosen people, they're special.
tim pool
The argument from a lot of these people is that Jews are just smarter, faster, stronger, and better than them.
And I'm just, but I'm not trying to exaggerate or be derisive.
It's like they've taken over our country.
unidentified
How?
tim pool
Like with what?
We have a substantially larger national budget and global infrastructure.
You're telling me that you can't find a way?
Like, I don't understand what the point, what your argument is.
lydia monaghan
Raise your game.
tim pool
Yeah.
brett dasovic
Well, I mean, that's the argument.
That is being made is like it's like when they talk, it's like when somebody's in Black Lives Matter wants to blame white people for all of their ills, right?
It's like at the end of the day, even if all of that is true, it's still your responsibility to make right with your own life and figure things out.
tim pool
I'm going to let you guys in on the secret.
I know who actually runs everything.
phil labonte
Who's that?
tim pool
The South Koreans.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Did you know that their economy is entirely Samsung?
That's it.
Like everything they have, it's just basically Samsung.
Like what is it like?
8% of their workforce is just working at Samsung.
brett dasovic
So that's where all those exploding ovens are coming from.
unidentified
You know?
pop punk programmer in unknown
So the ovens are the same.
tim pool
Well, it's where they make.
lydia monaghan
The exploding electronics come from Israel.
tim pool
No, no, no.
South Korea, they make the lav mics that have cartridges in them that can blast inward.
lydia monaghan
Gosh, that was a joke.
That was a joke.
tim pool
No, I'm kidding.
But, you know, if you think about it, one could make the argument that we've spent billions of dollars on South Korea.
We've built missile defense systems for South Korea.
We've given, what, 30,000 or some odd troops that we have stationed in South Korea.
Sounds like we are serving the people of South Korea for some reason.
unidentified
I don't know why.
tim pool
Or one could make the argument that we serve Ukraine's interests because we've given them more money in three years and we've given it to Israel in 70.
And their prime minister actually came to our Congress where they all waved his flag and got our country behind his war.
unidentified
How amazing.
lydia monaghan
And they added it to their Instagram and Twitter bio, too.
tim pool
And what?
lydia monaghan
Added the Ukrainian flag to their Twitter bio.
tim pool
That's true.
That's true.
And they executed an American journalist in Ukraine.
They killed Gonzalo Lira.
So, look, I think it's stupid to play these games.
But I will just say this if you want to criticize Israel, you're allowed to do it.
You were always allowed to do it.
Please do so and continue to do so because your criticisms are, that's your opinion.
You're an American citizen.
You do what you want.
But the people that are actively trying to dissolve this ceasefire before it even began, psychopaths.
The people on the left and the right that are attacking Trump and calling him a chicken, what are you trying to do?
Prod him into bombing Iran?
Are you nuts?
These people are scumbags.
lydia monaghan
I don't think, though, look, I don't think Trump is doing any of this.
Based on popularity or what he's being talked into.
Because if you look at the numbers, it's never popular to wage war.
Certainly would not be popular to put boots on the ground.
I think he knew that going into this.
And that's why, from my vantage point, I think he did it because he truly believed that Iran was an imminent nuclear threat to us.
Because there really is no discernible benefit to him politically, financially, any other way.
Like, it's not like he gets something out of this.
I think he did it because he wanted to make the world.
A safer place, even if there were some political costs in the short term.
brett dasovic
So, like, but that was what the bunker busters were for.
Was that last year now?
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Yeah, it was June.
brett dasovic
Okay, so that was to set back the Iranian nuclear program.
Another, you know, we're always setting it back 20 years, right?
That's, that's right.
unidentified
No, I know, yeah.
lydia monaghan
We're weeks away, days away.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
That's, that's the point, right?
Is people, people hear that.
And, and this, I was watching, Tim, did you ever watch Terminalist Dark Wolf?
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
The point is, it's about peace deals in Iran, in America, in Israel.
Back in 2015.
And so, for a lot of people, it's all about the song remains the same.
It feels like the same thing over and over again.
And to your point earlier about the people who are posting about this, when politics becomes sport and something that you post about online as a running, you know, whether whatever your theme is, whether it's Joe Kent in Israel, whether it's Tucker Carlson in Israel, whether if you're on the other side of the aisle and you want to hold Iran responsible, what you're seeing right now is the cost of everyone turning, first of all, it's monetized.
So, if you're posting on X and you're monetized and there's In financial incentive to do so, it is not prudent to take a ton of your advice or your news from people who are financially benefiting from the most sensational headline they can get.
tim pool
Look at what the Daily Beast wrote MAGA Pod Bro predicts crushing Trump humiliation.
brett dasovic
It says taco time in there too.
unidentified
It does.
tim pool
And I never said this.
brett dasovic
Oh, you're MAGA Pod Bro?
tim pool
That's me.
That's me.
unidentified
Look at that.
tim pool
Tim Pool.
I said Trump's safest play is off ramp and declare victory.
Iran is driven by ideology, is not going to back down, leaving Trump with two options total annihilation or retreat.
Both will be bad, but retreat is the safer and easier option.
Trump will likely back down.
That was not an insult to Donald Trump.
That was not a request for one of the two options.
The effing lunatics on X. I'm going to tell you guys, I have never been more anti free speech than I am right now from the people who are trying to make World War III happen.
Trump gets a ceasefire, and they're like, You're a chicken, Trump.
You're a chicken.
It's like, Stop, shut the fuck up.
And there have been a series of posts where Tucker Carlson says that.
That there is an effort to like have a new economic order and bring China into the fold.
And I stated a fact the liberal economic order is waning and a new Chinese communist, you know, is rising.
And I get all these MAGA bros being like, Tim wants China to win.
And I'm like, I'm literally just saying what is happening.
Same thing here.
This is what we live right now.
This is our politics.
The Daily Beast says Tim Pool predicts Trump humiliation.
No, I said Trump's going to weigh the options and he's going to take the safer approach.
He's going to declare a victory.
He's going to pull back.
And that's exactly what we're seeing.
And it's a good thing.
But they have to frame it always in the most insane of ways to make sure everybody is at each other's throats like maniacs.
brett dasovic
This is a direct result for the political landscape becoming what it is under Trump, right?
Which is that it's funny that you mention, like, Trump's foreign policy and American foreign policy.
Like, we're having the most foreign policy wins in his first term, right?
The most foreign policy wins that doesn't involve just surrendering and giving other countries money under the guy who is the most bombastic with his dialogue.
Whereas in prior administrations, they're very polite when they tweet, they're very polite when they give their speeches, but you end up surrendering, giving money, leaving hostages behind.
Now they frame the American government.
destroys a bunch of their equipment to just to save one soldier and the people are framing it as a bad thing that we lost a bunch of equipment all to go back and save one person when that is objectively what makes America great.
tim pool
I, you know, I look at everything that's going on and I'm like, I think they really just want to burn down America.
Because if you, if you, if I know Phil's about to just say yes.
phil labonte
But the reason, the reason that they want to burn down America is because they don't like the, a lot of the, at least the right wing libertarians that are like this, they don't want to see the United States be the unipolar power.
They want to see an End to the petrodollar.
They want to see the United States.
tim pool
They want China to take over.
phil labonte
Well, that's the thing.
They say that it wouldn't.
They're like, no, well, China doesn't have those ambitions.
Now, I totally disagree.
tim pool
The Belt and Road Initiative.
phil labonte
I completely agree.
And that's, again, the libertarians' take on foreign policy is one of the big reasons why I'm not a libertarian anymore because I think it's a fantasy.
But they would say, look, China doesn't have these goals.
Russia doesn't have these goals.
The reason that Russia invaded Ukraine was because the U.S. was meddling and blah, blah, blah.
Essentially, they blame everything on the U.S. Ever since the term blowback.
Got into the libertarian mind.
They're like, everything's the United States' fault.
Everything is the United States' fault.
And so they're like, the US should close all the bases, stop being the world police, and we should just retract to our own continent and be here in the US and trade with everybody, which sounds great, but it actually doesn't work in reality.
tim pool
Is that shirt unironic?
phil labonte
Well, tonight.
lydia monaghan
Like an incredible amount of naivete in the US.
I think there's a lot of people who looked at Obama and they're like, oh, he's so nice.
And he just says these wonderful words and everyone likes him.
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lydia monaghan
And isn't that fabulous?
And paid no attention to the action of literally leaving our people in Benghazi to get slaughtered, which is disgusting.
You juxtapose that with the fact that Trump may have some crazy rhetoric, but then he saves people.
But I just don't think people understand how evil and horrible the world is.
And I don't think kids are taught history.
So, they don't understand that the vast majority of people have lived in completely barbaric times.
And what we have right now is so special and unique.
And the vast majority of the world wants to cut us down.
I don't think that we understand the evils of China, of Iran.
We only in America, the media is obsessed with how horrible America is.
We talk about war crimes.
It's been all about the potential hypothetical war crimes that the U.S. might commit, nothing about how evil and horrible Iran is.
phil labonte
Look, that's a point that Tim makes here a lot.
Like the United States, regardless of what you think about the United States, The United States is objectively the most measured and the most benevolent global power ever in human history.
Do you think the Mongols, if they had aircraft carriers, do you think the Mongols would have made it a Soviet Union?
Yeah, the Russians were not in any way a chill kind of group of people.
In all of human history, there has never been a country with as much power.
As the United States military has.
And there has never been a country that has given away as much money as the United States does.
And so to say that the United States is anything other than the most benevolent world power in human history is farcical.
But they will still say, oh, you know, you with that.
tim pool
That story I told last week of the homeless guy, quick version I was 16.
I gave a homeless guy money.
He kept asking for more.
Then he insulted me because I didn't buy him cigarettes.
Then he asked for cash on the way out.
And I said, I thought you were cool, man.
Like, that's the attitude of communists and the rest of the world.
The United States is like, We're going to ensure safe travels.
We're going to stop the pirates.
We're going to have safe oceans.
We are going to give you free money for your stupid programs.
And we're going to provide for your defense.
And they go, screw you, man.
Like, look at what NATO's doing right now.
Trump's critique of NATO has been correct the whole time when he says, we've been giving them our military and spending money on it.
And they're not putting their GDP in it the way they're supposed to.
And we're supposed to sit here and say, we'll pay your security for free.
brett dasovic
I mean, there is also a sense of, especially from leftists in America, is that that's our original sin.
It's our cross to bear that we should be helping the rest of the world because America's evil.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
lydia monaghan
No, we hate ourselves.
And so as a result, it's self flagellation.
And again, it's just this naivete that somehow if we just focus inward and whatever, the world will be fine.
And it's interesting part of the rhetoric, too, is we hear that, oh, well, the only reason the Middle East is messed up is because we ever went in there in the first place.
Like everything somehow in the world is either America.
Or Israel's fault.
And it's like, no, we weren't just twiddling our thumbs under Jimmy Carter and they literally attacked people and murdered America.
Like, anytime that we just try and are isolationist, we get it, like, things get really bad in the world.
brett dasovic
Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in.
tim pool
It's funny because we see these videos of how America used to be and they're like showing Times Square in like 1890 with this like high up res footage and everyone's like, look how great and peaceful it is.
And they show ski resorts.
Where everybody leaves thousands of dollars worth of ski equipment lying around.
High trust society.
And then many of these same people criticize Donald Trump or the U.S. in general for trying to maintain order and stability and high trust around the world.
Albeit it's a difficult job and sometimes you don't do it well.
And we should criticize the U.S. military when they do things that are bad.
I think Afghanistan and Iraq were huge blunders.
But again, to Phil's point, this has been the most benevolent global power in the history of mankind.
brett dasovic
And as a matter of narrative framing, like my favorite part about X is like whenever a different president is in office, the other president.
Party or people who like the other party are like, the rest of the world is laughing at us right now.
But literally, all you have to do is wait, and both sides will say the same thing about the other side, about everything.
tim pool
We are chickens in a chicken coop, really.
I say this.
unidentified
I would say we will.
lydia monaghan
Republicans, I think, overwhelmingly love America, and Democrats overwhelmingly either seem embarrassed of America.
Like back to Michelle Obama.
I never felt proud of my country.
It's like, okay, if you don't like it, like no one's making you.
I just, I feel like this narrative has only escalated since we've been in our country.
phil labonte
I hate those things.
lydia monaghan
It's like, oh, like she wants it the worst.
It's like, Great, move to Iran.
tim pool
Like, I want to throw a cultural reference there.
Squid Games, when it came out, I said it was a critique of communism.
And all the communists and lefties were like, Tim Pool's so dumb, it's clearly a critique of capitalism.
The guy who wrote it even said it was a critique of capitalism.
And I go back in time with this story because it's relevant to the worldview of these people.
Let me explain something.
In Squid Games, people who are down on their luck are promised the beautiful, beautiful new world.
Come and join us, and you will get something beautiful.
They are told to join by choice and they are put into a game where now they can die.
Not capitalism.
When they enter this game, they are stripped of all their possessions and belongings and have to wear jumpsuits that are identical and eat the same food.
They are placed on an equal line and told to compete in games while the powerful elites laugh and the poor people die.
Not capitalism.
If Squid Games were a critique of capitalism, they would say you can leave at any time.
They would say if you have more money, you can purchase a higher position in the hierarchy in those games.
They wouldn't require them all to revolt to try and fight their way out the way communists do.
Now, if your argument is the guy who wrote it thought it was a critique of capitalism, my response is yes, because communists are retarded and they don't understand that capitalism offers you choice.
If you don't like this system, you can literally opt out.
You can walk off into the wilderness, you can get in a boat and just kick yourself off in the ocean.
Now, fair point.
If you want to argue it's not so easy just to cut yourself off from society, that was always true whether there was government or not.
Alone in the woods, you die.
And if you want to argue that Squid Games was a critique of capitalism, I would accept this.
If in the show they said you're all allowed to leave whenever you want and the door led to the ocean, I'd say, I get it.
It's impossible.
Capitalism is very hard.
Leaving society is difficult.
But unfortunately for these people, that's not how it played out.
They critiqued communism accidentally and were too stupid to realize it.
brett dasovic
Well, it's also like we live in this nihilistic culture now where it's like just the idea that they have to get up every day and go to work.
And they're like, I have to go to work for eight hours and I have to commute an hour.
That's like half my day.
I have to sleep.
Like, I have no time for me, right?
Not realizing that throughout human history, you didn't really have time for you because you had to get up and go hunt to make sure that you could actually get on these things.
lydia monaghan
Nasty, brutish, and short.
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, here's an idea Leviathan.
I think we should do a Squid Games.
I think Mr. Beast doesn't go far enough.
I think what we should do is.
brett dasovic
He would if he could, trust me.
unidentified
Oh, God.
tim pool
Well, I think these silly game shows like Survivor are dumb.
And Mr. Beast, it's like the Mr. Beast games are actually just more cutthroat.
If you take the million dollars, they all lose.
I'll do it.
Yeah, I don't know you.
I don't care.
Everybody's going to say yes.
What they should do is if you like, they should recruit people who are like, capitalism is bad.
It's like, okay.
How would you like to play this game show where you could win?
We should do this.
You win 10 grand.
What we do is we bring you to the woods, we throw a pointy stick at you and say, You're on your own for two weeks.
Good luck.
If you can make it in the real world without help from others, you will win money because then I will agree you actually have a point when you argue the system is bad.
If at any point you want to leave, just scream, Dear God, help me, I was wrong, and we'll airlift you out and we'll bring you home.
Not a single one of them.
Not a single communist would make it.
Not a single communist would make it.
lydia monaghan
I think you have a future in game shows on YouTube.
Mr. Poole.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
Those are philosophical worldviews that are vastly different, right?
Is that the communists believe that the system should take care of you.
And the idea, which they now denigrate of rugged American individualism, is that it's your responsibility to make your own life what it is.
tim pool
Let's do the commie games.
unidentified
Perfect.
tim pool
And then, because, like, I want to ask you guys something.
I am under no illusions.
In a communist society, they will put a bullet in my head or make me break rocks.
Why?
Bro, for what function do I benefit a communist society?
Is my talking going to benefit the great leader?
Well, only if I agree to read their script and advocate for them.
But in a communist society, there is no need for a plethora of podcasters.
So y'all are gone.
Just imagine what would happen to Hassan Piker if a communist revolution actually happened.
They'd be like, You're big, you can break rocks.
And he's going to go, But I'm a podcaster.
And they're going to go, Oh, what?
brett dasovic
No, they might keep him.
Like, who else are they going to keep?
unidentified
They'll use him.
tim pool
The first thing they do is eliminate anybody who helped foment the revolution.
brett dasovic
Which podcaster would they keep?
They got to keep one for the same reason.
lydia monaghan
Because you would have a new person who doesn't have any autonomy.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia monaghan
They could just have as a talking head.
tim pool
Hassan Piker, in our society, has proven independently he has made a choice to foment a revolution and create this content.
Every single time we see these revolutions, they eliminate people like this because they are independent thinkers.
And your point is correct.
unidentified
Yeah.
Exactly.
They just don't.
lydia monaghan
You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
phil labonte
You do not want revolutionaries when you're in control.
You use the revolutionaries to get control.
And then once you have control, you liquidate them.
It happened in Russia.
It happened in, it happened in Cambodia.
It happened in China, probably multiple times in China.
They will liquidate all of the people that foment the revolution now for you.
tim pool
It's the French revolution, like you pointed out.
Like, how many revolutions did they have, even like seven in like two years?
I'm exaggerating.
lydia monaghan
You know, but it's so interesting to me, and it kind of makes me sad.
I feel like we're seeing the Iranian people want freedom.
They're tired of this Islamic Republic.
Or, you know, throughout the world, it seems like there's a recognition that capitalism is good, that the society that America's created is good, and yet Americans don't appreciate it.
And I know there's, you know, you were talking about some videos that have gone viral of what America used to be in the 1800s and 1900s, and now we're seeing, Viral videos in El Salvador, right?
Of how they've cleaned that up at the same time that we're looking at like Paris is being desecrated.
And so it almost feels like I don't want to be fatalistic here, but it feels like in South America with Mille and then, you know, in Argentina and then in El Salvador, those places are embracing Western values at the same time we're eschewing it.
And it's kind of sad.
tim pool
Let's pull up this tweet from everyone's favorite, Candace Owens, who said that Trump killed Charlie Kirk.
Yeah.
Here's her tweet.
The Iranian president tweets that he is willing to sacrifice his own life for his people.
Donald Trump was willing to sacrifice Charlie Kirk and is willing to sacrifice every American life and livelihood for greater Israel.
Who is the animal again?
Now, is she evil, retarded, or both?
unidentified
Both.
tim pool
Both.
Agreed, accepted.
She is now advanced to saying Donald Trump killed or had Charlie Kirk killed for Israel.
lydia monaghan
Okay, just by the way, Iran is literally conscripting 12 year olds because no one wants to give their life for Iran.
They're literally forcing people to stand around power plants so that Trump doesn't.
I mean, obviously, what the Iranian president is saying is a complete effing lie.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, right now, I'm seeing stuff on Twitter saying that there is.
tim pool
Marvin Noffel's reporting missiles are still hitting Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait.
carter banks
I've gotten no actual.
phil labonte
IDF is attacking Iran following multiple missile launches from the country.
There's also word that Iran is launching UAE, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait.
tim pool
In the 12 day war, after they announced cessation of hostilities, there were still missiles flying.
And it was the weirdest thing where they're like.
We're flying a ceasefire and we'll stop firing missiles in three hours.
Like, just stop now, dude.
What are you doing?
But anyway, back to where we're currently at domestically with, I don't know, just the mass formation psychosis, I guess.
It's pretty wild that you can watch Candace Owens increment the psychosis.
I gotta say, I think she's a Pied Piper.
It's an intentional play where every day she says something crazier and crazier and crazier.
She is pulling people into a dark corner that they're gonna lop off and cast away.
So, you start with, I love Charlie Kirk, and then all the Charlie Kirk fans are like, oh, let me hear what you have to say.
She then says, I want to get to the bottom of who murdered him.
They all start listening.
Every day, she increments the story in a crazier and crazier way.
Now, people who are reasonable seven months ago think Donald Trump killed Charlie Kirk today.
That is a degree of retardation and mass formation psychosis that it's hard to recover from.
So, these people will start posting these things, and then I imagine they're going to start getting banned.
Censorship's going to appear, and she's Pied Pipering all of these people in a crazy direction, and then they'll all get axed from the internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, look, I can't say enough negative things about people like, you know, like Candace Owens and a slew of other, you know, influencers or whatever you want to call them that have just jumped onto Charlie Kirk and moved directly to Israel did it and all.
tim pool
No, Trump did it.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, that's the point.
tim pool
You're saying Trump killed Charlie.
lydia monaghan
Well, because Israel controls him.
tim pool
Yeah.
Or Trump did it for Israel.
lydia monaghan
It's textbook brainwashing.
It's almost like the strategies you read that the communists use on people.
It's sort of this.
Frog in the boiling water, where day by day you're not really paying attention to what's going on, and then you just get so sucked in.
And then you start to believe this, and you assume that only she has this secret knowledge, and she's the only person that you can really listen to.
unidentified
Right?
lydia monaghan
I just, the conspiracy theories are really out of control, and I don't understand where they come from, but it's.
tim pool
My conspiracy theory is that they are excising the fringes, and this is a really excellent plan towards doing it.
Every day, she.
Look, the people who follow.
brett dasovic
Every day, you mean.
tim pool
Her corporate interests, deep state, machine state politicians.
lydia monaghan
What do you think the corporate interests are?
tim pool
The same people who are behind, like intelligence agencies, the same people who are behind YouTube censorship.
If you're looking at how Twitter and Facebook, when it was Twitter, had backdoors for intelligence agencies, where the Biden administration, I think, got sued by Alex Bernstein for telling them to censor him, censorship did not work.
So, what is the best course of action you can take?
Okay, well, how do we get people to all collectively start breaking the rules in such a way that we can legitimately just Just removing them.
Well, you make them nuts.
lydia monaghan
Whose interest would that be?
And you think that the ultimate goal of making people crazy is censorship?
Is that the idea?
tim pool
I would argue that Donald Trump was not supposed to win.
They thought Hillary Clinton was going to win.
The WikiLeaks emails in 2016 from Democrats show that they thought Trump was a Pied Piper candidate, that they would use him to lead Republicans in a bad direction they could not win.
And then Trump won.
And they were like, crap, what do we do?
I think they're now realizing that you have this massive populist base.
They're all subscribed to and supporting Turning Point.
Turning Point.
Helped Trump win again.
So the play is how do we get these people to stop paying attention to foreign policy and politics?
Censorship Makes People Crazy 00:07:42
tim pool
Candace Owens is one of the most prominent actors in helping Democrats win the midterms with the quote from Candace We don't care about your midterms.
lydia monaghan
I mean, do you think, I mean, now I'm criticizing conspiracy theories and then potentially getting into them.
unidentified
It's interesting.
lydia monaghan
Hassan Piker was criticized because he posted a screenshot of his followers and it revealed.
That he only had like 20,000 verified followers or something.
On X. Talking on X.
I mean, do you think then that there are folks who are sort of popping her up with bot networks?
tim pool
Well, I don't know.
What I will say is this.
When Elon announced he was going to buy Twitter, something strange happened across Social Blade where you could track all of the liberal personalities started losing hundreds of thousands of followers and conservatives started gaining hundreds of thousands of followers, which defies explanation.
Some argued that they had their thumb on the scale.
They had a script that would artificially amplify the accounts of leftists to make it look more prominent.
One of the theories is that.
Well, I'll tell you this a tactic in SciPs, which is a fact, this is true.
What you do is you go on Google Ads, it's harder to do these days, and you can run advertisements on a single video of your choosing.
So let's say the story that I've talked about is a fitness influencer who was, I will not name, I don't want to start a beef.
A guy who used to just make, I'm doing push ups today, and I'm going to do my delts today, and like we're going running today.
And then he got asked to comment on Israel after October 7th.
So he made a video saying, I'm not big on politics.
I know people have been asking me.
That video gets 50K views.
So he's normally getting 10 to 20K.
Well, it's a big trending story, right?
It's a bunch of views.
And then he says, Wow, I talked about Israel.
unidentified
I got a lot.
tim pool
He goes back to fitness.
The comments are saying, Hey, look what's going on.
Look what's going on.
What do you think?
We saw your video.
So he goes, I'll do another one, 100,000 views.
And he goes, Wow.
Now his channel is literally just Israel.
And all he does is he doesn't even do fitness anymore.
Because what happens is he starts getting massive viewership.
Now, how can you game that?
You can go to someone's channel, wait till they post the content you want them to make, take the URL, go on Google Ads, and put $1,000 behind that one video.
Now, every time somebody watches that video, your ad wins the bid and they'll get slightly higher viewership and money.
Because you pledged a thousand bucks on it, YouTube says we need to play this video more because we've got ads bought against it.
lydia monaghan
I didn't realize the ads could influence the content in that way.
tim pool
So imagine this: imagine you make three videos.
One's about the color green, one's blue, one's red.
Blue and green should get 10,000, red gets 100,000.
You look at the red video and you're like, I made 500 bucks off that.
You're going to make more.
And that can be artificially controlled by going to Google Ads and putting money into it.
This is known.
And whether there's evidence of direct psyops, I don't know.
But I just, I do know it is a technique and tactic that is used.
lydia monaghan
I mean, if you're a billionaire and you want to.
tim pool
You don't even need a billion dollars.
It can be real cheap.
lydia monaghan
It is crazy how much things can be influenced in the attention economy.
People could spend a couple thousand bucks and like, Completely, or you look at the way that politicians are bought off with a couple million bucks.
I mean, it's insane.
You're strategic how little money you can use to control and influence things.
tim pool
They censored Alex Jones and banned him from YouTube.
Nick Fuentes as well.
These are individuals that are largely viewed as organic, independent.
Alex Jones, anti establishment, says a bunch of controversial things.
Well, Candace Owens says things that are controversial as well that break the rules, but she is promoted by YouTube.
She's married to a British lord and her lawyers work in a building with federal agents.
So it just reeks of, I don't know, some kind of coordinated effort.
I'm not saying it is.
She could just be a wackaloon.
But I will say if you were concerned that a large populist base was voting for a candidate you did not like, what is the effective way to stop them?
You get them to focus on issues that don't matter in elections.
brett dasovic
I mean, but this is happening anyways because of the big tent, right?
It's like what did I say the other week?
It's like in one day, three separate parts of the 2024 coalition all said they were going to lose the midterms.
unidentified
One was.
brett dasovic
Glyphosate and the other one was Iran and they're like, everybody's got their one issue and everybody's a one issue voter now.
tim pool
But those, those, those, those issues actually matter for an election.
brett dasovic
So if they're pushing out, they're saying, like, I'm not voting for them.
So, so whoever it is says to a million people.
tim pool
So, so, so again, how do you stop those people?
If you have a great big wall, it's guarding your property and everybody keeps attacking the weak point and you're like, they keep breaking through the weak point and getting in past our wall.
What do we do?
We need to trick them into fighting the tree over there instead of the wall.
So, what you do is you can start running stories about how the tree is a portal that leads to the inside of the wall, and they all start whacking the tree, and now they're doing God knows what, and you're laughing.
lydia monaghan
I think it's so crazy.
I mean, this is such a new phenomenon in the history of the world where you have these sort of parasocial relationships with podcasters and influencers in a way that we never had with like Walter Cronkite or Tokyo Rose, who obviously tried to lure the soldiers into sort of Japanese propaganda.
phil labonte
People did have those with like.
With like TV personalities and entertainers and stuff.
lydia monaghan
But there's so much trust because she, you know, all these people market themselves as just your normal kind of gal that you might see at a coffee shop or whatever.
And then it's crazy to think that like there actually could be money and propaganda and all of these things behind that.
brett dasovic
It's actually not about the coffee shop.
Actually, it's about these people saying like everyone's lying to you.
I'm the one who's telling you the truth.
tim pool
Let me just, let me keep it simple.
YouTube was censoring.
It's a fact.
Especially the Eric Charmella story.
They deleted one of my videos for simply reading a real clear investigation story on this guy.
We know they did.
It didn't work.
It didn't curtail the message, it exacerbated the problem.
Alex Jones still exists.
They banned him.
He's still around.
What's the more effective means of eliminating a popular movement?
You throw a bone in the wrong direction and make them go chase it.
Now, when it comes to elections, they're going to go, Donald Trump killed Charlie Kirk.
Don't vote for him.
And you're going to go, What the are you talking about?
Trump's talking about lowering gas prices.
No, he killed Charlie Kirk.
And it's like, you're out.
lydia monaghan
You can't combat that, right?
It's like, at that point, people are so down the rabbit hole.
tim pool
That's the point.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How do you bring them back to reality?
brett dasovic
Otherwise, it was glyphosate, it was Iran, and then it was Epstein.
And those are the three things.
lydia monaghan
Yeah, I hate glyphosate.
This is actually something I organically care about.
brett dasovic
There you go.
tim pool
And that actually helped Trump win because RFK Jr. got suburban women who are middle of the road to vote for the Trump administration.
And Candace is doing everything in her power to.
Push those voters out, make sure they vote Democrat or don't vote at all.
I don't think that's an accident.
lydia monaghan
I mean, it's a lot of, yeah, suburban moms who listen to her.
tim pool
I don't think it's an accident that Trump won in two ways.
This is really interesting.
Candace hits the nail on the head with two major voting blocks.
She is attacking Turning Point, which got young voters to vote for Trump, and she is attacking Trump personally to suburban women.
So Getting people to turn on Turning Point, which is a massive voter registration effort for Trump and the Republicans, and convincing the maha suburban women that Trump is an assassin who killed Charlie Kirk for Israel.
She is attacking a principal voter block for the right populist movement.
I don't think that's an accident.
unidentified
No.
Suburban Moms Vote Democrat 00:16:09
lydia monaghan
No, I've never thought about it that way.
But you obviously understand the attention economy and incentives.
And I mean, it's sort of the most fundamental thing.
It's like Maslov's, or not Maslov's, no, it's like Pavlov's.
Sorry, I don't know.
I was thinking of some scientist.
Yeah, where it's like people respond to these hits and they respond to whatever traffic's wall and they just do more of it.
tim pool
We got this tweet from Matt Van Swoll that I really liked.
He said, Why does everything feel like theater?
We have a Congress that won't pass something 83% of people want.
We have a judicial system that doesn't hold criminals accountable.
We have an education system that doesn't educate.
We have a nonprofit system that profits from our tax dollars.
We have a healthcare industry that profits from you staying sick.
We have a financial industry that needs you to stay in debt.
We have an insurance industry that fights every single claim.
It just all feels so fake, so theatrical.
Because I will tell you this.
Everybody just wants to extract some kind of value for themselves, and they will do it wherever they can.
brett dasovic
The leftists will just say that that's capitalism's fault.
tim pool
And the right will say it's communism.
unidentified
Exactly.
brett dasovic
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
None of that matters.
tim pool
I will make the argument that evil is much, much more pronounced than people realize.
We had talked about this last week that, you know, they say when you come into money, everyone comes out of the woodwork.
But I would say that when you gain any kind of notoriety, people that you know and trust, you see them instantly turn into demons.
They'll knife you in the back, they'll steal from you, they'll betray you, they'll accuse you of things.
It's wild.
It was like something that was rather a shock to me when I experienced it.
brett dasovic
It was like when you were talking earlier about animal farming.
I'm like, I'm radicalized against private equity.
Have you seen the stories about like the hockey player, the hockey kids whose parents aren't allowed to film at arenas because private equity owns the rinks?
tim pool
Like, this is the funny thing.
What does private equity mean?
brett dasovic
In this case, it was bought up by a specific firm.
tim pool
See, the issue that I take with this quote unquote private equity claim is that they're upset over the actions of a company.
What the critique though is instead of saying company bought, there's a company I like, it was bought out by an investment firm.
That's what private equity means.
And then stripped of assets and broken down.
It's like, okay.
But then they say all private equity is bad.
It's like you're just criticizing capitalism.
brett dasovic
Well, that's, I mean, that's just an inability to be nuanced in the subject.
lydia monaghan
Okay.
I wrestle with this because I obviously am a huge believer in capitalism.
But in any system, you have flaws.
And I think private equity and to an extent, hedge funds are those flaws.
I think capitalism.
tim pool
But let's, I got to stop you there.
Hold on.
You have to define private equity.
lydia monaghan
So private equity, I would say, I don't want to name them.
They're the big PE firms that buy things up, they laden them with debt.
And then they create this situation where they have to make an insane amount of profit, which means firing people and raising prices.
And so it's a veterinarian.
tim pool
If your critique is a specific company, then we can critique that corrupt company.
Like saying, because there are big companies that do bad things, the entire function of private equity is bad is just, I think it's wrong.
lydia monaghan
I think in theory, there's value to it.
tim pool
The general concept of.
lydia monaghan
But what we're seeing right now is like it's destroying mainstream.
tim pool
I disagree.
I think there are certain companies that are bad.
The concept of private equity at its blanket core is I have an investment firm and we see a dysfunctional company that is burning money and mischieving its employees.
We can come in, clean things up, cut the bloat.
It's basically like flipping houses for businesses.
But the communists hate all of it.
There was a video I watched where someone was talking about how to disrupt house flipping.
And I'm like, House flipping is a service.
You find a derelict house that's in disrepair.
You go in, you clean it up, and you get a profit for doing that service and making the community a little bit nicer.
Private equity does that for businesses that are dysfunctional.
They go in, they say, you've got redundancies here.
You've got to cut that, and we can make this business profitable again.
However, there are big, evil real estate companies that do things like blockbusting.
We don't say all real estate is evil.
And there are big private equity firms that do bad things and gut companies and fire people to strip them from parts.
But that doesn't mean the entire concept of investing in business is a bad thing.
lydia monaghan
I would say, yeah, I totally agree with that analysis.
I think right now we're in a situation where, and this is, I've been thinking a lot about like America as an experiment.
And obviously the founders believe that like America is, I think this is apocryphally attributed to, who is it I'm linking to, Tocqueville.
But America is great because she's good.
And when she ceases to be good, she'll cease to be great.
And so I think the morality and faith and religion, all of that is such an important underpinning for our system.
And when you watch like, You know, Frank Capra movies where you see the little guy trying to stand up against kind of the big guy.
I think America used to have a system of morality.
You look at CEOs.
unidentified
Trust.
lydia monaghan
In the 60s, you know, they were paid, I think, like 100 times the average employee.
And now.
tim pool
Back in the day, it was about 13%.
13 times.
unidentified
Okay.
lydia monaghan
Now it's 100.
Now it's way more than that.
And so I think, I don't know.
I think there is.
But I don't think the system is flawed, but I do think that like people had more of.
A sense of responsibility to their community.
tim pool
There's a CEO of a Fortune 500 company.
He'll make maybe $13 million average salary.
Sometimes they get more than that, depending.
The stockholders and owners that function as CEOs will make more through stock bonuses and things like that.
If you were to take the salary of the CEO and break it up among their 40,000 employees, people aren't really going to make much more money at all.
lydia monaghan
And to be fair, a lot of the compensation when we say, oh, the CEO made $500 million this year, it's stock.
tim pool
They don't make that much money.
lydia monaghan
It's not like they're getting that in their pocket because they're incentivized.
To so, I actually don't also think that was kind of an escape.
brett dasovic
The people who critique the guy at the top of the food chain at the company tend to straw man the argument about just how important his job is and just how much he has to do in a given day, the relationships that he has to build with other companies, his attempt to be able to foresee what's going to happen at the market.
If you look at what David Zaslav did with Warner Brothers before the Paramount sale, he had to lean out the company and he had to cancel the right projects, he had to move things around to make it.
He took his stock that was at like $16 and got another company to pay like $40.
tim pool
So, this is an important clarification for most people.
The last time we covered this, it was lower, and it's been several years of inflation, it's been pretty brutal.
But the average compensation package for a Fortune 500 CEO, any guesses?
18 million.
And that's not the salary.
That's a compensation package, which includes bonuses and equity awards.
Any guesses on the base average salary for a Fortune 500 CEO?
unidentified
$75 million.
tim pool
$1 million.
So these people come out and they are convinced, these commies, that CEOs of these Fortune 500s are making $500 million when they're making 500 times less than that.
brett dasovic
Elon Musk or Batman.
lydia monaghan
This is my other thing.
I think Elon Musk deserves every petty.
Absolutely.
That's more of like a.
A safe pair of hands.
You're not necessarily innovating, but people in tech who are actually creating things, I'm like, he deserves, I want him to be a trillionaire.
Like, he has created out of nothing incredible products that are sending people to space, making all of our lives better.
Like, that to me is the capitalist dream.
You're making the pie bigger, you're creating things so people's lives improve.
brett dasovic
It's also about your fundamental outlook on improving the world, right?
It's like the argument I always make is like, we've been to the most rural areas of the state, and Amazon can still deliver you packages there, right?
The idea is like, is Jeff Bezos in charge of Amazon anymore.
But the point being, it's a company that he built, right?
Like, how much cap do you want to put on what he's worth when he's able to bring people who at one point may not have had access to that much that quickly can now get something shipped to them in two days?
It depends on how you view what he's given society.
lydia monaghan
Okay, so I'm curious actually, Tim, to get your take on hedge funds because I know you made the point that PE can actually be beneficial.
I think maybe hedge funds can be beneficial.
I think they are so abused right now.
Like all of the, many of the richest people in New York, I live in New York, the nicest homes in the Hamptons are almost all owned by hedge fund managers.
I don't think they create that much value for the economy.
And I know the argument about, oh, they have teachers' pensions and, but, but, but, but.
I really don't think that these people who are worth like $10 billion, I don't think that they have created $10 billion worth of value.
I think, honestly, they created a trillion, but I don't think they've.
tim pool
I would agree and disagree.
The, uh, Management of the economy is probably one of the most important jobs.
So, whether they deserve to get, you know, $20 million a year or whatever, I don't know.
lydia monaghan
But oftentimes it's like 100.
tim pool
Economic management is probably the most important thing that someone could do in this system.
But the reason I mean, obviously, I think there's much more important jobs.
But there's a function of.
lydia monaghan
You're moving, you know what I mean?
You're not creating value, you're moving numbers around.
tim pool
I think that's an overly simplistic way to view what hedge fund managers are doing.
phil labonte
I mean, if you're a bad hedge fund manager and you're.
Hedge fund loses money, you're going to lose the job, right?
tim pool
Yeah, like, again, I'm not going to.
lydia monaghan
After you take your 2 and 20, you'll still make a lot of money.
tim pool
Day traders actually don't.
So I'll start here.
I know this is not head fund managers, but day traders are not a real thing for the most part.
Like, their margins are slim.
There are people who live in this fantasy world where they think that you can sit there on a computer trading and you're going to make a bunch of money.
You don't.
I think you sit there and think about it for a few seconds, you're going to realize, like, there's a cap to how much money you can actually generate.
There's a bunch of fake posts on the internet where they're like, you can program a bot to make money on the stock market for you, which is just not true.
The liquidity doesn't exist for it.
So, like we've discussed this here, these posts where they're like, I made a bot for Polymarket and it's generating $100,000 a month.
pop punk programmer in unknown
Not true.
tim pool
It's not possible because liquidity doesn't exist for that.
So, there are key areas where you can buy, but you have to manually do it because these bots don't know how to do it fast enough and they can't see as wide as a human can.
Maybe in the future they can.
For hedge fund managers, they're doing that, but a larger scale, which is managing people's pensions and investments.
So, the management of retirement funds and economics is a very important job.
I think there are more important jobs.
I do think they probably make a lot more money than they need to.
That's a fair assessment, but.
I don't think it's as simple to say just move money around.
Like they're calculating things and they're smarter.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia monaghan
And I think the activists actually will say, okay, this company's screwed up.
I actually think short sellers have a value.
I think they're sort of monitoring certain companies and whether.
tim pool
What I would say is.
lydia monaghan
I don't think.
I mean, like hedge fund.
Like I don't think like Congress.
tim pool
All of the.
Everybody thinks they're smarter than everybody else.
And it's laughable when they say things like they're smarter than most people in Congress.
And they're just like some mid 40s dude who like comes on a podcast periodically.
Or they.
Well, everyone knows what I was talking about.
Or they claim that Donald Trump is an idiot and they're smarter than him.
unidentified
Oh my God.
lydia monaghan
That kills me.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's fascinating.
lydia monaghan
They're smarter.
tim pool
What I will tell you, and here's a lesson for everybody who doesn't own a business from someone who does, and I know all the people who do own a business are going to love it because they know what I'm talking about.
You will find that there is a decent portion of individuals who will come to work for you who believe that you have infinite money, money just exists, and they deserve it.
And I will tell you throughout my years with contractors and various employees, I have literally asked people, So you're asking me for money?
And they're like, Yes.
And I said, Where does that money come from?
And what do you mean?
I'm like, Well, you want me, Tim Pool, to give you money, right?
Like, Yeah, okay, where does that money come from?
They're like, I don't know, the business.
And I'm like, right, but the business has to get it from somewhere.
Like, I had this, Ian, we had this conversation on the show when he was saying that in the future, shows will pay the people to watch them.
And I said, what?
He's like, yeah, because the eyeballs are valuable.
I'm like, then why?
So the sponsor would make their own show.
They wouldn't sponsor other shows.
He's like, what?
No, I'm just saying the show would just pay people to watch the show.
And I said, where does that money come from?
Like, I have to track every month, every week, income and output, and then balance that budget.
The government doesn't have to do that.
They just print the money.
But I tell you, there are people who literally just think, What do you mean?
You're a business.
You have money.
It just exists.
lydia monaghan
And because everyone's told they're special.
They're special.
They deserve to have money.
tim pool
Communists.
That's why I think communism is so easy because people don't understand that businesses have to have inflow.
And they just assume the company has the money.
And I love this.
I'll tell you one of my favorite stories.
When I worked for Fusion and ended up leaving, I had friends who still work there.
And I found out they were trying to form a union.
For those that don't know, Univision and ABC teamed up for an investment to create a.
It was originally supposed to be Hispanic oriented millennial media, but they realized that millennial Hispanics actually spoke English.
And so they could actually cast a broader net.
So they teamed up with ABC and said, let's make a youth brand, Creative Fusion.
So this was a company that made no money.
It was built off of, I believe the number was a $300 million combined investment from the two companies.
So, they built a building.
It was massive.
They hired a bunch of young people.
I was one of them.
They paid great salaries.
I left and then I heard the employees were trying to form a union.
And I talked to one of my friends who worked there and I said, What's this about?
You guys are trying to unionize?
And she's like, Yeah, I don't think they pay enough.
And I said, But they don't make money.
She said, What do you mean?
They've got a bunch of money and they need to pay us more.
And I said, The company you work for does not generate revenue.
I'm not talking about profit, I'm saying they literally don't generate revenue.
Meaning, they are spending other people's money to hire you in hopes they get more advertising dollars.
Now, they did have some revenue.
She could not comprehend what I was saying.
And she said, I don't know what you mean.
We are a bunch of talented writers and journalists, and they need to pay us more money that's market like comparable.
And I said, The money you are asking for of this company has to come from the pockets of a wealthy individual who then decides whether he's going to give it to you.
I said, Listen, if you want to keep your job, You need to go to the president of the company right now and say, I reject the unionization.
Tell me what you need me to do, and I will do it.
But I don't want to be party to this because I understand we don't generate revenue.
And she goes, No, I think you're wrong.
A week later, they fired 300 people.
lydia monaghan
It's very confronting, I think, to recognize, yeah, like, oh, I actually have to create a service.
Like, I have to create value for something.
And I think a lot of journalists, particularly in New York, kind of think because they went to an Ivy League school or they have a job that's very prestigious that they should.
Also, make a lot of money, and David Brooks writes about this like status income disequilibrium.
That the reality, and I didn't realize this when I got my first job in news where I'm like making 30k and try to live in New York.
No, there's a lot of people who want to do these jobs.
And if you want to differentiate yourself or if you want to make more money, you have to differentiate yourself.
brett dasovic
That's the fundamental thing that a lot of people in Hollywood don't understand because they're basically paid, like the studios pay them to make these movies.
And then they're mad when the movies don't get to be made the way they want them to.
And they're like, why won't you let me make my movie the way I want to make it?
phil labonte
No one wants to watch your movie.
brett dasovic
I'm the one who has to pay everyone the money.
I want to see a return on my investment.
And then they're shocked when they're told, no, you can't do that because the studio theoretically actually wants to make something that people want to see.
unidentified
And if you make out that that happens, investors, yeah.
Make it happen for you.
phil labonte
And if you make a product that the, I don't know if it's the way, this way in the studio, but in the music world, like if you make a record and you're like, no, we're doing this on our record.
We're not doing what the label wants.
The label will be like, well, we don't hear a single or what have you.
If you make a record and the label's like, we don't believe in it, it's actually better for the label to say, okay, fine, you made the record.
We're not going to spend a whole lot of money on promoting it.
And the reason is because they don't believe in the record.
So why are they going to spend more money over the, you know, $250,000 they spent to, To make the record or whatever.
Yeah, absolutely.
Animal Farm Movie Trailer 00:14:28
tim pool
They are completely correct.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
It's the funniest thing in the world to me because I certainly can't speak to it the way that Phil could, but I've had friends who had smaller deals back when I was in my early 20s.
And the entitlement from these people blew my mind.
And I have to ask them, I was like, honest question.
Did the label just owe you the money that you were asking for?
Like, was there a reason they had to pay you?
And they were like, well, they signed us.
And I'm like, right, but.
They signed you to make a product that people would listen to, and then you told them you didn't want to.
So, why should they give you money if you don't want to do what they're hiring you to do?
And they did not understand because, in their mind, they were talent.
That means they were just deserving of the money.
lydia monaghan
I'm not trying to like dunk on millennials because I am actually a millennial, but I do think there's an entire generation that was raised to think that we're just inherently special and wonderful and talented.
We need to be celebrated no matter what we do.
And I also think Gen Z to an extent, all of these kids, because the parenting mindset went from basically like, live your life, you know, be smart, to now like, oh no, children need to be nurtured and told they're wonderful.
And of course, when you get into the real world, you just assume that everyone else is going to treat you like your parents and just nurture you and tell you you're great.
And that's just not the real world.
And I'm sure parenting is not preparing children to be successful, competent.
unidentified
Adults.
tim pool
Millennials were raised on average poorly.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I think so.
brett dasovic
I was raised fantastically, okay?
My parents were great.
Anecdotally, okay.
tim pool
So that's why when X raised.
Gen X had his room because we were all perfect little angles.
phil labonte
Gen X had to raise his soul.
lydia monaghan
It's very mixed, actually, because I know there's a lot of chatter about income inequality, and I'm very mixed.
I do think that we're in a tough economic environment.
I do think that many people were sold a false bowl of goods where they were told to go to college, they took out too much debt.
Now they're in a tough situation.
So I'm very conflicted because I do think.
There are certain people who were set up to fail, but I also think there's a lot of people who thought that they should have the sun, moon, and stars and are really upset that they have to take a low paying job and work their way up.
So I think it's mixed there.
phil labonte
I agree with you about the fact that kids were sold a bill of goods about going to college, especially considering AI now, like all the kids that went to college that got degrees and couldn't find a job.
It's only going to get worse for white collar workers.
But the idea of income inequality being a problem, I reject that because the problem isn't that there are other people that have made too much money.
That doesn't affect.
Doesn't mean that other people can't afford it.
lydia monaghan
Everyone in America has opportunity.
phil labonte
And also, the reason why there's so much income inequality is because the government left interest rates at zero from 2008 until 2018 because people were taking loans at 0% interest and putting it in the stock market.
lydia monaghan
And also, everything has improved.
Yes, there is more income, but we all have cell phones now.
We all have air conditioning.
tim pool
I have to stress this, too, about the income inequality thing.
I agree to a functional perspective that whatever your view on this is, societies collapse when there's a difference between the highest and lowest brackets.
However, what I will say is, I take this personally for one very simple reason.
There are people who say tax the rich.
What they don't understand because they are ignorant, unlearned people is that I make a lot of money because I work 16 hours a day and weekends.
And I've done so for years.
I work less now on the weekends, but there's still a little bit of business stuff that we have to do in terms of paperwork, but I don't do as many shows.
I used to work doing a morning show every day, no days off, and Tim Kest IRL Monday through Friday.
Because I work double shifts and the weekends, my income is greater, but I have to pay more tax on the extra money I'm earning.
What they are telling me is stop working.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
You're a high producer, high talent individual who generates something of value that people want and it makes a lot of money.
But the more you do it, the more we're taking from you to the point where right now, if I were to cut my workload in half, I've talked about it before.
I know people don't like, they think it's like offensive for me to say this, but if I did not do Timcast IRL, the company revenue drops by like 30%.
So I'm doing double the work for a 30% increase.
That's the system we exist in right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There was a great video where this rich guy.
Was talking to some commie, and he says to the commie, He's like, You think I should be taxed on everything over a million dollars?
And he's like, Yup.
And he goes, Okay, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
As soon as I make a million dollars, I shut my company down and I furlough all of my employees, and I say, Why?
I can't make any more money.
So we're done.
And there's no answer to that.
brett dasovic
Well, there's a fundamental difference that, like I said earlier, some people believe that there should be some type of cap on what a human being is able to accomplish.
And to everybody in this room, you would find that offensive because the idea that I, you know, because everybody wants to strive, right?
They want to find themselves with success.
But the thing is, the people you're talking about have already kind of accepted that that's not going to happen to them.
So their worldview is more nihilistic and they don't see a path forward.
It's also why Hollywood and everybody else has turned billionaire into a slur.
Billionaire with a B means you can say tax the rich, and the millionaires like Mark Ruffle can say, Well, I'm not talking about me.
Right.
Talking about Jeff Bezos.
lydia monaghan
Talking about anyone who has more money than me.
unidentified
Well, no.
brett dasovic
And that's even worse when you think about it.
lydia monaghan
Did you notice Elizabeth Warren the other day?
She didn't say the millionaires, the multi millionaires.
Those are the new people that we don't like.
The thing is, millionaires are fine.
brett dasovic
When they're talking about that too, like the Mark Rufflows of society, arguably, they don't create the same level of value that a Jeff Bezos does.
Now, you can put in, you can have a conversation about, you know, what art means to society and all that.
But if we're talking about actual dollars into the economy, then it's a very different thing.
And they've demonized that for a reason.
All of the movies now, they don't say the wealthy, they don't say the elite, they say billionaires because it's being turned into a slur.
Like you said, Pavlovian, to put it into the brains of young people.
tim pool
That's the enemy class.
As soon as Bernie became a millionaire, he stopped saying millionaires.
There's millionaires and the billionaires.
Millionaires and the billionaires, now it's just the billionaires.
lydia monaghan
There's people with more than four homes.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia monaghan
There's three homes, so three homes.
That's totally fine.
unidentified
So the maximum.
lydia monaghan
Totally.
tim pool
Hardworking Americans have three homes, but those who have four, those are the bad guys.
Like any good communist.
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
tim pool
And we'll just lightly touch on this as we got a few minutes left before the super chats and all that.
But the new trailer for Animal Farm came out.
Yo, they edited this one intentionally to highlight as much of the communist perspective as possible.
Because, like, so I watched the new trailer for Animal Farm, and it is a selective grappling of only the key pieces where they can say, see, look, it's criticizing communism.
The whole movie, dude.
brett dasovic
So it's a response to your critique.
tim pool
Well, it's not mine.
I mean, everybody critiqued it.
Actually, let's do it.
lydia monaghan
Well, we were talking about this before the show, and I was saying it's so crazy to me that people have to sort of steal these famous pieces of literature and then desecrate them.
And Tim, you were making the point that the point isn't to have a pro communist show, it's to sort of destroy the anti communist message.
tim pool
So you make a bad movie that's anti capitalist, but it destroys the memory.
Let's pull this up.
Let's play a little bit of this.
We'll talk about Animal Farm again because I'm.
I'm interested in this.
Listen to this.
Actually, I got to.
Let's get the audio going.
unidentified
We all dream.
Many seasons ago, we all dreamed that one day animals would be free.
tim pool
So I'm not going to play the trailer, but I'm going to make a few key points as we go through this using the footage they've released to explain this.
So the first thing you notice in the opening of the trailer is there's these guys in hazmat suits and the animals are being loaded up onto a cart.
unidentified
They're going on vacation.
What is that?
tim pool
We're going on vacation.
The animals are happy.
unidentified
Take a look.
tim pool
It says, uh, Laughter House.
unidentified
That sounds awesome.
I love to laugh.
It's a slaughterhouse.
We're all gonna die!
tim pool
So now you can see the animals are attacking these guys with cattle prods in hazmat suits.
The side of the truck said, Slaughterhouse by Pilkington.
unidentified
These guys.
tim pool
So, the first thing I want to point out for those that know the book Animal Farm, the animals were living under a drunken farmer who neglected them, and they felt that the farm could be run better.
They all discussed it and decided amongst themselves to remove the farmer from control.
In this movie, the animals are happy and they think they're going on vacation, but the corporation has acquired the animals for slaughter.
The animals have no choice but to have a revolt against the Pilkington, otherwise they will die.
Dramatically different from the critique of communism where people vote their way into a system thinking it will be better and then end up getting trapped under a boot.
This is the capitalists were going to kill them and they had no choice but to fight for their survival.
unidentified
Freedom, freedom.
I see.
All animals are equal.
What could possibly go wrong?
tim pool
This scene's really funny because here's a rooster stepping on what looks like a fuse in some kind of corporate concrete city.
unidentified
Our experiment is.
Working all of us together.
It's time to farm again.
This milk ain't gonna drink itself.
brett dasovic
It's supposed to be shared.
unidentified
There is no supposed to anymore.
This is less than yesterday or more than tomorrow.
Depends on how you look at it.
Move along, cheap.
This is all wrong.
Can you see what's happening?
Our dream was becoming a nightmare.
It's our farm, our home.
tim pool
So, what do we do?
phil labonte
We rebel and we start right now.
unidentified
All animals are equal.
I have to fix all of this.
tim pool
Notice how in this trailer, Elon Musk's mom, who is the principal villain of the whole movie, didn't even make an appearance.
I think this is because Angel Studios knew that the first trailer showing Elon.
I'm not joking.
Elon Musk's mom.
lydia monaghan
Wait, why is it May Musk?
tim pool
Because it's anti capitalist.
Why wouldn't they?
So her name is Frida Pilkington, but it's literally a one for one of Elon Musk's mom driving a cyber truck.
Literally in a cyber truck.
It's a cyber truck with wheel wells.
I just want to point out a few things.
I'm not going to spoil it, but take a look at this clip from the trailer.
lydia monaghan
No one knows how it ends.
tim pool
So, you see what this thing they're on is?
The grain silo with the rules floating in water, and the little pig is running towards the big pig.
I'm not going to explain what that is, but, you know.
Here's a bunch of animals running from something falling from the sky.
And here's a bunch of animals and what appears to be several hundred guys in hazmat suits running as we see.
Let's see.
Oh, look at that.
It looks like it's a dam exploding.
Indeed.
Animal Farm.
So, again, we talked about it quite a bit because the film's coming out.
And just because they are wearing Animal Farm like a skin suit, Andy Serkis has written an op ed for the Washington Examiner saying Orwell would approve because it's a modern critique.
It's a critique on the modern power infrastructure that oppresses us.
I would just say this movie is not Animal Farm, not in any meaningful way.
I think it's fair to say this because although this might be technically a spoiler, I don't think it's fair for Angel Studios or any company to.
Let me say this.
I'm not going to spoil plot elements from the movie and tell you what happens.
This is their movie, it's their product.
They want you to pay to go see it.
I'm just saying I think it's not a critique of communism, it's a critique of capitalism.
That being said, I do take issue with them using the name Animal Farm for a movie that is not Animal Farm.
brett dasovic
Yeah, his comment about he would approve of this because it's talking about the modern structure that oppresses us just proves that Hollywood likes to take IP and use it as a strategy.
tim pool
So the reason I'm explaining this is I'm now going to say something that does reveal something about the movie without telling you the plot of the movie.
But it is important so that people, again, if I came to you and said I was selling pool water and you got something different, I think that's wrong to do.
The windmill is not in the movie.
The Battle of the Windmill is not in the movie.
I'm sorry, the Battle of Cowshed is not in the movie.
Old Major is not in the movie.
A bunch of, like, I'm going to tell you this right now.
This movie is not Animal Farm.
It's just literally not Animal Farm.
It's something totally different that maybe has 10 to 15% of Animal Farm in it.
So I'm not spoiling what happens in the movie.
I'm just explaining if you're expecting to see the story of Animal Farm in this film, you will not get that.
lydia monaghan
I think it's so pernicious, too, that they're clearly marketing this to kids.
That's what I hate.
tim pool
Yeah, it says ages 11 and up.
I would also say this.
While it doesn't have gore in it, there is a lot of murder.
Like, there's a little bit of that.
The original Animal Farm actually is fairly brutal.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
You know, so there are some critiques that I can say that aren't spoilers because they were already revealed in the trailer from the first go around.
But in the original Animal Farm, the chickens were upset because the pigs stole their eggs and then sold them off to traders.
In the first Animal Farm trailer, the chickens are laying eggs and then handing them off intentionally.
Snape as an Outcast 00:10:08
tim pool
So, there is something there that is relevant to the critique of capitalism, which you will find out if you see the movie.
Well, maybe when I had this discussion with the Harmon brothers, they won't care if I talk more in depth.
Because I will say this I'm being very respectful in not wanting to spoil key plot elements that they, or I shouldn't say they, because Angel Studios just bought distribution, but Andy Serkis added to the film, which is such a dramatic deviation.
Again, I'll say this in the original Animal Farm, the chickens have their eggs stolen from them.
These are their children by the state who profits off them.
And when the chickens complain that their eggs are being stolen, they're executed.
Not in the movie.
So, you are not getting Animal Farm, whatever this movie is.
unidentified
No.
phil labonte
And to be honest with you, at least watching that, it does seem like they're trying to misdirect the potential audience.
tim pool
I think the movie is about capitalism is oppressive and it will kill you, and you have no choice but to fight back by any means necessary.
And in the end, if you kill a bunch of people, it's acceptable because this is what must be done.
That's the message of the film.
unidentified
Yes.
lydia monaghan
Sort of tangentially related.
But I have been really alarmed.
Like in some of the new legislation, there's all these provisions.
Again, I'm saying this is tangentially related, it's related to farm animals that basically allows us to be very abusive to animals and pigs in particular.
tim pool
Well, maybe they read Animal Farm, they think pigs are bad.
lydia monaghan
So, no, anyway, anyway, but I've been kind of alarmed.
I feel like I liked one photo about that.
Now my algorithm is all like animals being abused on farms.
tim pool
Oh my gosh.
I will say the.
lydia monaghan
Anyway, I'm glad I know though.
tim pool
If, you know, so we're scheduling the Harmon Brothers to have a discussion about Animal Farm, which means.
Any meaningful discussion will involve in depth discussion on what's in the movie.
But I would say, outside of that, come May 1st, I am going to go off on this thing.
I am being very nice to Angel because Angel's done some good work.
And just because they have some missteps doesn't mean you throw them out with the bathwater, you know what I mean?
So they can have a bad movie, that's fine.
We'll debate it and then they can make better movies.
lydia monaghan
I mean, probably so many people are going to have seen this movie and never have read the book.
tim pool
Indeed.
unidentified
Yeah, that's the point.
tim pool
Now, there are some people on X, they've been asking around trying to find guild members who voted after watching the film.
And the responses I've seen on X, nobody has said, I watched it and liked it.
They're all saying, the few comments I saw were people saying, I was asked by a message, would you want to see an adaptation of Animal Farm?
unidentified
And said, Yes.
tim pool
That was it.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
So they weren't given a chance to screen it ahead of time to see if it fit in with their values.
tim pool
It's just that these anecdotes on X, I don't know if it means they never, you know, as a big picture.
carter banks
Yeah, if you've read the book, you're going to see what's going to be Animal Farm.
unidentified
What is in the book?
carter banks
And of course, who wouldn't want to see that on Facebook?
tim pool
I'm making a remake of Terminator.
It's about an Easter bunny that has lost his eggs and has to go find them.
And it's called Terminator because Elon Musk's mom is trying to abort the bunny eggs.
brett dasovic
Rewatched Terminator 1 and 2 over the weekend.
tim pool
Was it my version that I just made up?
brett dasovic
Not your version.
unidentified
No.
No.
brett dasovic
Terminator 1 is still better than Terminator 2.
I don't care what it is.
tim pool
You know what I will say is really annoying about movies?
It's like I remember when Pirates of the Caribbean 2 came out and the commercials were like, it's the number one movie in America.
I said, no.
Pirates of the Caribbean 1 is the number one movie in America.
And everybody went to see part two because one was good and two sucked.
And then, like, don't take my word for it.
Look at the Rotten Tomatoes.
Look at the review scores.
When they say that, first one, and then they go, and then, like, what was it?
The last one did really well.
Dead Men Tell No Tales?
No, no, no.
That was the third of six, I think.
And they were like, let's do a female reboot.
brett dasovic
That's still theoretically supposed to happen.
tim pool
No, no, just stop.
lydia monaghan
All female Ghostbusters.
tim pool
All female Ghostbusters.
lydia monaghan
They latch onto one thing that works, and they're like, we're going to do this and run it into the ground.
unidentified
Hold on.
tim pool
I'm in favor of all female pirates and all female Ghostbusters.
They only made one mistake with all female Ghostbusters the boobs weren't big enough and busting out of their shirts enough.
And I'm kidding, but the truth is the problem, like, you can make a movie that will sell if the women are like busty and hot.
That's just true.
You know what I mean?
brett dasovic
Like, why 2019 Charlie's Angels didn't sell because they wouldn't sell sex with it.
They sold it as anti male.
tim pool
Yeah, who wants to watch that?
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
It's not fun.
tim pool
They want to see James Bond, like men and women like watching James Bond.
Why?
Because he's a cool, confident hero.
And so, guys, what is it?
Women want to be with him, men want to be him.
Or men want to be him, women want to be with him.
But now they're like, nah, nah, make, what do they want to do?
They want James Bond a black woman?
brett dasovic
That's not actually going to happen.
lydia monaghan
I don't think that's going to happen.
tim pool
No, but they did talk about doing that.
What was the actress's name they were thinking of getting?
brett dasovic
Lashana Lynch.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
I don't think that's not what happened.
She showed up in the last one as like another.
tim pool
They thought, yes.
brett dasovic
They were going to do that.
That's engagement farming on X that people are doing.
tim pool
I do think.
lydia monaghan
Another kind of animal farming.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There are a lot of people that are mad because they discussed Idris Elba as James Bond.
I think that'd be fantastic.
I think he's great.
unidentified
Too old.
carter banks
Yeah, I like him.
tim pool
That's true.
He is too old.
unidentified
He is too old.
tim pool
But most people were concerned because they're like, no, James Bond is supposed to be the quintessential Englishman.
And I'm like, fair point, fair point.
I'm not going to argue with that.
I just think Idris Elba is a great action movie star.
brett dasovic
I tend to have, like, I have less of a problem with race swaps than a lot of other people as long as they don't turn race into a conversation about the story, which fundamentally is the character.
tim pool
Well, Harry Potter.
brett dasovic
I did a video on it today.
Well, I've done like three, but yeah, like.
unidentified
Blacks.
But that's.
brett dasovic
Fundamentally changes not just him, but it changes everything James Potter's motivation.
It's like I was trying to explain to somebody, I said, You do not understand that to the outside world, a schoolyard bully is not looked at the same as a racist bully, even if that racist bully is underage, right?
It's looked at as a shortcoming of both your upbringing from your family.
tim pool
How about Hermione being mixed race and being called the mudblood?
There's a whole new meaning to the white blonde kid calling the mixed race girl the mudblood.
brett dasovic
I read an article today, I'm not even kidding you, from comic book resources that says it's a good thing.
Thing they're making Snape black because it makes more sense for him to be an outcast because he's black.
Where they literally said, they said, like, you can't, they basically, it basically says, you cannot understand what it means to truly be an outcast unless you are a minority.
So they want that.
tim pool
There's the famous line in Harry Potter where Lily asks James why he's picking on Snape and she says, Is there something about him?
He says, It's nothing about him, it's just that he exists, which means a whole lot different when it's coming, when he's pointing out a black guy.
brett dasovic
They're also like in the first one when Harry suspects that Snape is stolen.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
And he's like, I don't know what it is about him.
tim pool
I just think he's a thief.
Harry, why do you keep thinking that guy's trying to kill you?
There's something about him.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
And when the boggart is in the wardrobe and pops out and scares the crap out of Neville.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
The funny thing about all of that is, it's proof that J.K. Rowling does literally agree with them on everything except for trans issues because J.K. Rowling is a progressive.
tim pool
Yeah, he should have made Snape a woman, a trans woman.
There you go.
brett dasovic
That would have been great.
tim pool
A black trans woman.
brett dasovic
He could have done that.
tim pool
A disabled black trans woman lesbian.
phil labonte
Then she would have been like, that's the ultimate magic.
brett dasovic
There's even worse stuff going on right now.
So there's articles written or there's quotes coming out from the writers and the production designers who seem to want to speed run everybody hating this.
One says that.
The show has been produced around the idea of naturalism, which, if you look into naturalism, is the idea that, you know, supernatural only exists through, you know, through scientific order.
tim pool
Oh, they're doing one of these?
Yes.
brett dasovic
So, which is why they're using all like earth tones and colors.
tim pool
Are they trying to science magic?
Like they're trying to be a lot of.
brett dasovic
So, the production designer seems to, they could just be doing word salad.
But, you know, under their idea, you know, that science would be able to explain magic, is that actually what's going to show up in the show?
No, probably not.
tim pool
So, are you saying that the, It's going to be bad.
Everyone is expecting it.
So they're like, let's just generate the hate now.
brett dasovic
I mean, I don't.
tim pool
You're not going to watch it.
brett dasovic
A lot of people don't even believe that it's going to go seven seasons.
Like, they don't think they'll get all of it.
Also, it's not going to be every year.
It's going to be at least every couple of years.
tim pool
I'm going to say this right now.
I am not going to.
I'm a childhood Harry Potter fan.
Got every book when they.
The first book I was introduced to after Dart I came out is on paperback.
Second book comes out, I bought it right away.
Third book, bought it right away.
Every book after that, I was a huge fan.
brett dasovic
I grew up.
unidentified
With it too.
brett dasovic
Like, we were in that perfect age range where you grew up as the themes of the book.
tim pool
I was, I think I was 21 when the seventh book came out.
So I was a man.
I was like, I got to get Harry Potter.
And I loved it.
And the movies, I was like, man, with the first movie, was it 2000 or whatever?
unidentified
2001.
2001.
tim pool
I think I was 14 and I was like, we have to go see Harry Potter.
I was like, super excited for it.
And I will not watch this stupidity.
Like, I don't like that they're adding these racial overtones to Snape's character.
Alan Rickman, Nailed it.
I understand that there were certain parts, there's a lot of parts of the books that were omitted.
Fair.
But when my kid is old enough to watch movies, she's watching the original films and reading the books.
She's not going to watch this HBO Abomination garbage.
So, you know, more power to them.
If they want to make it, good luck.
Part of me emotionally is like, I hope they fail for doing this.
But at the same time, people can like what they like.
brett dasovic
Now Paramount is going to own Warner Brothers.
So maybe they'll make it like pro MAGA and they'll make like Trump into Snape.
tim pool
It puts Snape in a MAGA hat so that you can't get mad.
It's like, we made him black, but he's also a trusted one.
carter banks
A sporting hat is a MAGA hat?
brett dasovic
And it talks like this.
Trump's voice inside the syndicate.
tim pool
Gryffindor, Harry, you'd be great in Slytherin.
I'm telling you, you'd be the best.
It's a good house.
He's like, but I don't want to be in Slytherin.
Well, okay, fine.
unidentified
Be a baby.
Be a baby.
Go to Gryffindor.
tim pool
That would be great.
Someone should make that.
unidentified
The MAGA.
tim pool
I can do it.
It's Trump.
brett dasovic
That would be great.
tim pool
I know someone out there can do it.
Someone should make that.
Trump in a MAGA Hat 00:02:19
tim pool
I need to figure out how to do that.
I wonder if C Dance can do that.
phil labonte
I bet it can.
tim pool
Venice has C Dance on it right now.
Let me see if I can make that.
brett dasovic
It's probably already been made.
unidentified
I bet you it's done.
tim pool
I doubt it's done.
No, come on.
It's just an obvious joke.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
A MAGA sorting hat.
How do you.
Where is this?
I'm going to try and figure out how to do this on Venice.
brett dasovic
Somebody can do like Marco Rubio realizing he's got to be Snape.
unidentified
Oh, that's a good one.
tim pool
Sea Dance 2.
Wait, what?
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
They banned Sea Dance in the United States?
unidentified
Yeah, you didn't see that.
What is Sea Dance?
brett dasovic
Like very recently.
tim pool
Yeah, like the other day.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So we do promos for Venice AI, and I just used it last week.
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
Shocking.
tim pool
Yeah, just a thing popped up saying, I know.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia monaghan
I mean, it takes a lot of energy.
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
lydia monaghan
To run these videos.
unidentified
Crazy.
tim pool
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But let's grab your rants and super chats and see what's going on.
St. Miles says, Who do you think blinked first?
US, Iran, andor other nations.
I actually wonder if this was not the play for the whole get go.
I don't know that it's going to hold off.
If this succeeds, this might have been the plan.
Trump doesn't, it's not possible to have regime change in, like, I mean, fundamentally.
Obviously, you can kill their leaders, but other people come in.
You need boots on the ground to actually get rid of the structures of their fundamentalist government.
I don't know if Trump ever thought that would be possible because it's 90 million people, it's a massive country.
I wonder if this is the, Trump threatens annihilation, offers them the off ramp.
They have no choice but to accept it.
And Trump did a big ask the whole time.
Now, there's rumors.
That Iran is demanding that they enrich uranium if there's going to be a ceasefire, which is a non starter.
So we'll see how this one plays out.
It may not work out well, but we're crossing our fingers, and I'm not going to root against a ceasefire.
lydia monaghan
We don't know what entirely is in the 10 point plan.
tim pool
Well, they've got the general, you know, they've released the generally.
lydia monaghan
Not, yeah, I guess not in the last hour.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
HS Disturbed says IRGC is considering this a win.
Seems that they were about to call his bluff and he didn't want to make good on his threats.
I disagree.
I think both sides want to make it look like they've won.
So Trump killed all of their leadership.
The IRGC can claim everything they want.
Trump blew up the Ayatollah.
Like, I'm sorry, there's no reality where Iran wins, it just doesn't.
Trump may not get the guaranteed Grand Slam victory of taking the control of the entirety of the landmass, but Trump blew up like 40 government officials.
So he fried them.
Yeah.
I'll put it this way if you get into a fight with somebody and he punches you in the face 15 times, but you threaten to kill a kid, so he stops punching you, I'm not going to call that you winning.
I'm going to be like, okay, the fight's over, but man, he messed you up.
phil labonte
Iran lost their senior leadership, most of their Navy, at least half of their missile launchers.
Thousands of security personnel, bridges and rail lines, steel and petrochemical plants, their ability to deter their nuclear infrastructure, their air defenses, and the ability to use Dubai as a sanctioned evasion hub for the possibility of charging trolls for merchant shipping on the Strait of Hormuz.
And that makes it a failure, right?
lydia monaghan
I also think they're going to take us a lot more seriously when we need to make a deal.
phil labonte
Yeah, maybe.
Hopefully.
I mean, look, this is still, you know, there's actual like missiles still flying.
We'll see if the ceasefire holds.
I'm hoping that it does.
If I understand correctly, there was a 10 point plan released, but that was BS.
Trump said on Truth Social that it was not an actual outline or anything, that they didn't come to that kind of agreement and that they're going to work on it over the next two weeks.
So we'll see.
I don't try to predict what's going to happen, but I do want it to be over.
And I do think that regardless of what anyone says, like, Iran got the absolute hell knocked out of them.
And they don't have the ability to intimidate the other countries in the Gulf the same way they did before.
So.
tim pool
FJB Newsom says Who the F made that red chair?
Were they drunk when they placed the buttons?
Is that Ian's?
unidentified
LOL.
tim pool
The answer is China and probably.
What's wrong with the buttons, though?
They're not misaligned, it's made by a machine.
I think it might just look that way because the angle of.
brett dasovic
The button definitely looks higher than that one.
tim pool
It's because it's at an angle, bro.
Star Trek Probe Approaches 00:02:20
tim pool
Like it's curved.
It is a curved chair, not a flat back.
carter banks
I can see it from here.
It looks pretty good to me.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think that's an optical illusion.
lydia monaghan
You're not a flat earther.
You're a flat chairer?
unidentified
Yes.
That's exactly right.
tim pool
Flat chair.
Lava Bear says DS9, season 7, episode 16, Intern Arma Enum Silent Legos is the second best episode of the series, right behind In the Pale Moonlight.
What Sloan says to Bashir at the end of this episode is a gut punch.
Um.
I will also stress, I just watched the episode of TNG, which is why am I forgetting the name of this one?
I refuse to ask.
It was Inner Light, which is considered to be one of the greatest episodes of television ever made.
Probably one of the best episodes of Star Trek The Next Generation, if not the best.
Have you ever seen it?
You know which one that is?
Man, it's such a crazy story.
So they come across a star system that they're investigating that went nova.
The sun went nova a thousand years ago, wiping out all life on the planets surrounding it.
And a probe approaches the Enterprise.
And then blasts Captain Picard with a beam of some sort, some kind of energy, which causes him to collapse.
What happens is this probe is broadcasting an experience, memories into his mind, and he lives in the span of 25 minutes, 30 years on their planet.
And he has a family and he has kids and he learns to play the flute.
And then after 30 years of living this life, they reveal to him that the probe was created because it was a civilization.
About on par with modern Earth, that knew that they were going to all die and go extinct.
So, they created the probe as a way to transmit a history of their people to someone 30 years of experience on their planet.
And it's just brutally sad.
And then what happens is Picard wakes up, the probe deactivates, they bring it in, and inside of it, stored for a thousand years, is a flute that they broadcast into Picard's brain.
It's actually much better when you watch it because he has a family and he has kids and he has grandkids and he lives this life.
And then he has to watch them explain that they've died a thousand years ago.
Discrediting Nick Shirley 00:09:24
unidentified
Sprudal.
tim pool
Such a sad thing.
It's like it captures that sadness of apocalypse, you know?
Great TV show.
lydia monaghan
Yeah, if there's an apocalypse, I don't want to be here after.
All these people building these bombshells, I'm like, I don't want to be the only one left.
unidentified
I got a little place.
tim pool
So you'll run towards the nuke.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Get vaporized.
Let's grab some more from the.
lydia monaghan
Maybe not the time for nuclear jokes, but yes.
phil labonte
It's fine.
tim pool
Nuclear wessels.
unidentified
Something happened.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says Tim, I'm so pissed right now.
I was so mad Trump was going to bomb Iran, but then Trump didn't bomb Iran, but now he's weak for not bombing Iran.
unidentified
What?
phil labonte
It's just people that are just.
tim pool
These liberals are making fun of Trump.
It's like.
phil labonte
Well, it's not just me.
tim pool
I'm just saying, like, the liberals are like, ha ha.
Like, why are you.
What?
brett dasovic
Maybe taco can mean Trump always cools off.
That way he's not.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Trump always cools off.
unidentified
It is Taco Tuesday.
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm going to tweet that.
I'm going to tag you in it.
lydia monaghan
That's a good one.
That's a great one.
tim pool
Trump always cools off.
phil labonte
There you go.
tim pool
Trump always cools off.
lydia monaghan
I mean, he did bomb one bridge.
It's bombing some infrastructure.
So.
Not weak.
phil labonte
No, I know.
unidentified
No?
phil labonte
No.
I mean, if he were weak, he wouldn't have struck in the first place.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
phil labonte
You know, I mean, and it was a massive.
tim pool
Oh, the liberals won Wisconsin, the Supreme Court.
phil labonte
Oh, what?
tim pool
Liberal justice won the Supreme Court.
phil labonte
Great news.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Not going there anytime.
lydia monaghan
They already had a liberal control, I guess.
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Jess Gibson says longtime listener of Timcast reporting from Niku to continue the Timcast baby tradition.
We are so grateful to welcome our third baby boy.
Does that say Coulter?
Coulter Lee Gibson at just 33 weeks and three pounds.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
tim pool
I hope for the best.
I think it should be good, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean,.
tim pool
Children, three, three weeks, not too early.
phil labonte
It's, yeah, it's not, it's not like scary early, but he'll probably be in the NICU for, you know, a couple weeks.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
But congratulations.
unidentified
Let's see.
tim pool
Let's say, uh, A Barnes says, Mamdani is an anagram for madman.
Oh, for I, madman.
Mamdani.
Yep.
lydia monaghan
It's funny.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I'm Madman.
unidentified
There you go.
Perfect.
tim pool
Yeah, we have our last question.
lydia monaghan
Nominative determinism.
That's the idea that your name determines your fate.
phil labonte
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Nominative determinism.
Well, let's see.
tim pool
Just Leave Me Alone says Tim, I'm 61 years old.
I've been watching you for eight years.
I voted for Trump six times, including primaries.
You piss me off sometimes, but I still love you.
I trust this president.
See, that's what I'm talking about.
All of these people are grifting, right?
These people who are on the right, who are now acting like Trump is doing everything wrong, have just exposed themselves.
You're like.
What did I say when Trump launched the war with Iran?
I said, I would not vote for this.
I would not support it.
But the effective thing to do with Trump is try and keep one hand on the steering wheel, not just spit in his face and tell me he's an idiot.
If we want to actually succeed, we have to try and negotiate.
The people that are attacking Trump when he did this, it's like, okay, well, Trump's going to turn on you.
And now that he's done what they wanted, they're still attacking him.
It shows they never were operating in good faith.
lydia monaghan
I also do think there's so much arrogance in commenting on this because the fact of the matter is we don't have all of the intelligence, we don't have all of the briefings.
That he has, and I also will say, I feel like this is the new op.
This is the new thing.
I feel like every day there's some sort of story about some person who called into C SPAN or someone who said on the radio that they voted for Trump three times, but somehow this is a bridge too far, right?
It's like no matter what he did, oh, I supported Trump, but this I no longer support.
brett dasovic
I'm like, they're like, I thought he was guilty about the Epstein stuff, but this is just a bridge too far.
lydia monaghan
I'm like, it's like, there's so many people out there who, like, that is their shtick.
They call it whatever.
brett dasovic
I think so.
lydia monaghan
But it's like such an op.
brett dasovic
It's also just really hard now.
Like, you're taking all this information in secondhand.
You know, they're like, on one hand, they're saying we blew up a girls' school.
On the other hand, they're saying that they killed 40,000 protesters.
Their own government killed 40,000 protesters.
And then somebody says, oh, you believe that number?
So, what does it really matter if you don't know for a fact whether any of this happened?
The sad fact of the matter is, guys, you, I, everyone is not really programmed to care about everything that's going on everywhere in the world.
You could make the argument that you care about this because it will have severe consequences for your homeland, given that your children may be sent off to war.
But in general, when all you do is take in the news all day and take in nothing but bad news and the violence and the crime and the evils of the world, you weren't programmed to deal with that.
tim pool
Was it Mary who thinks that universal literacy was a bad idea?
unidentified
Yes.
brett dasovic
And that the printing press was the downfall of society.
tim pool
Yeah, she was saying something like.
People were too stupid to understand what they were reading, and now they think they know what they're reading, but they don't.
So now they're voting for dumb things.
lydia monaghan
Especially the Dunning Kruger effect like, the dumber you are, the more you think you know.
tim pool
Well, it's like there is the trope of stupid people are very confident, smart people are very doubtful.
Dunning Kruger is that people are too stupid to know they're stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the simple way to explain it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Stupid people are overconfident because they're not smart enough to understand why they're stupid.
brett dasovic
But also, like, that's even more sure on Twitter because you can't post, like, your, oh, I think maybe this kind of story.
You have to say it with your whole chest.
And say, this is what's true because otherwise nobody cares.
phil labonte
Nuance isn't allowed on Twitter.
tim pool
When I see people on the left and the right antagonizing for World War III, I'm just like, maybe we should have censorship.
Just ban all of them and then only the enlightened few.
I'm kidding, by the way.
But certainly these people have explained the problems with leftist ideology.
But on the right, it's not even a left or right ideology, it's tribal psychotic grifterism.
It's not a left or right thing.
brett dasovic
But it's also like, as a matter of personal responsibility, you should want yourself and those around you to be smart enough to be able to see through that stuff.
lydia monaghan
Yeah, I've been thinking so much about networks.
Like, the mainstream media was extremely flawed.
But now, I don't know if this new system with all these podcast hosts is like that much more.
brett dasovic
That's my conspiracy.
I think this is all one big op to get everybody to just go back to the news.
Like, you know what?
The hell with it.
I'm going back to the dude in the suit sitting behind the monitor.
I'm just going to trust the news.
unidentified
I agree.
That's what I was saying.
tim pool
Candace is Pied Pipering people into psychosis.
And I'm, you know, back in December, I met a bunch of, there were some women that I had met.
They're moderate libs.
I was in Vegas.
They weren't super political, but they loved watching Candace.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Blake Lively.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They're talking about Blake Lively, and all of a sudden, women started watching.
Then Brigitte Macron, and then Charlie Kirk.
And now they're, now this woman's going like, I think Israel's behind everything.
And I'm like, you're not a political person.
You don't know anything about Israel, but why are you saying this?
She watches Candace.
So it feels very op-e to me, especially when she attacked Nick Shirley.
Like, come on, attacking Nick Shirley outright screams disinformation campaign.
Nick Shirley's just a young guy who went and filmed stuff.
She dug up an old video of his eight months ago.
And then claimed it was impossible that he was able to actually interview Brazilian gangs.
This was, look, if someone asked me to discredit somebody, I'd say, here's how you do it find something that regular people can't relate to, use that and claim it's fake news, and use that to discredit his future works.
The idea is the average person in America doesn't know what a favela is like.
So you look through his footage and you say, there is no way the average person will be able to tell me I'm wrong about this.
You grab that video, you show it, and then say, this is so stupid, it's fake.
This is dumb.
I'm so sick of dumb.
You don't just go to Brazilian gangs and interview them.
I'm sorry.
Actually, that's literally how you do it.
lydia monaghan
I've done that.
I mean, that's crazy.
tim pool
I've done it.
I've done it on three occasions.
So she's saying something where if you trust her, she must be right because it seems insane you'd walk up to a Brazilian gang member, but that's literally what you do.
You go to the favela, you ask around and say, I'm a reporter and I wanted to see if there's any of the gang members that wanted to do an interview.
And they'll go, let me ask somebody.
They're not going to just murder you.
They'll tell you, nah, they said no cameras.
You'll go, okay, and you'll leave.
But it turns out, Many of these gangs want attention.
They want people to know.
They want to say, hey, we're the good guys here.
The gangs in the favelas view themselves as de facto government.
They think they're good guys maintaining peace and order where the government has abandoned them.
And so they say, yes, I'll do an interview with you.
So she lies about Nick Shirley to discredit him.
And I'm just like, okay, there's no way this is real.
Like, who in their right mind turns on Nick Shirley?
He didn't do anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
Weird.
lydia monaghan
You made life difficult for a lot of people in Minnesota.
tim pool
A lot of fraudsters got real mad.
A lot of Democrats got real mad.
lydia monaghan
You made a lot of people mad.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Daniel Schultz says, Sucks how it started, scary how it could have ended.
We can be the little kid who gives the bully his lunch money to stay away or get in the bully's face and say, Step up or step off.
Peace through strength, not weakness.
Japanese BBQ Friendship Explodes 00:04:30
tim pool
Iran blinked.
That simple.
I don't know that they blink so much as Trump killed like 40 of their governmental staff.
unidentified
Yeah.
So, like.
phil labonte
The U.S. did.
And we have massive damage to Iran in this campaign.
Massive damage.
So, no matter what anyone says, Iran's ability to make war has been significantly affected.
They don't have a navy anymore.
Their navy now is all small boats.
That's it.
Any sizable craft that they had are all gone.
They sunk a submarine with artillery.
The United States sunk a submarine with an artillery shot.
lydia monaghan
I do think, I mean, I was so aware of in January all of the protesters who were getting slaughtered, and I was so hopeful that.
There would internally be regime change that the Iranian people would be able to rise up.
It doesn't seem like that's going to happen.
And I kind of feel like in this day and age with so much surveillance, is it possible to have a sort of uprising or a revolution?
tim pool
It is.
Countries exist only on the confidence of the people.
So even with surveillance, if there's a mass ripple breaking confidence, then your country ceases to exist.
So we'll see.
But we're going to go now to the uncensored portion of the show.
So smash the like button, share the show.
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You don't want to shout anything out?
lydia monaghan
Follow me, Lydia Moynihan.
unidentified
Right on.
Perfect.
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Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X at Brett Dasivic on both of those platforms.
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Thanks, guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
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Thanks for hanging out.
The Pro Doping Olympics 00:07:52
tim pool
The Pro Doping Olympics.
Hey, this is going to be fun.
The enhanced games valued at $1.2 billion before a single race.
We've all talked about this the idea where everyone just gets jacked up on goofballs and then we just have monsters taking crazy drugs just going for it.
What say y'all?
phil labonte
When they stopped or when they started testing for steroids in baseball, in the MLB, it ruined baseball.
Everybody wants to see gigantic.
Dude smashed the baseball out of the park.
brett dasovic
Go watch the 1999 home run derby.
unidentified
Yes.
brett dasovic
Mark McGuire hits 13 home runs in the first round, and he is just attacking a piece of bubble gum.
unidentified
It is.
brett dasovic
His veins are like.
That's what baseball should be.
Also, you know, given the fact that Ken Griffey Jr., who in my opinion is my favorite baseball player of all time, the fact that he never got caught up in a steroid scandal just makes those players that didn't.
Even more impressive.
phil labonte
Yeah, but honestly, I think that's going to kind of be the result here.
You're going to see people do amazing things.
I hear there was already a record broken and it's just barely got off the ground.
You're going to see these guys, and this is all monitored by doctors.
They get tested so that all of what they're on, everybody knows.
So they're going to be looking at what the meta is for the stack and stuff.
lydia monaghan
There will still be standards.
phil labonte
You can't go over.
Well, they're going to be, there will be standards.
These guys don't want to actually injure themselves.
Permanently.
They wanted, what they want to do is they want to use drugs to enhance themselves as much as they can.
But I'm telling you, you're going to see people doing incredible things.
lydia monaghan
Drugs can make people do incredible things.
I'm curious, are they, is this going to be like a live golf thing, right?
Where like with live golf, obviously, like the Saudis paid people a lot of money to leave the PGA to go there?
Because I feel like if I was an athlete who'd worked my entire life to get to the Olympics, I wouldn't want to be like, oh yeah, I'm giving up my dream of getting a gold medal to go to the, They're going to make more money.
unidentified
This Saudi Arabia is going to make more money.
lydia monaghan
They must be paying people a fortune.
phil labonte
Look, all that the viewers are going to care about is the amazing things they do.
That's exactly why I brought up the.
unidentified
Back?
tim pool
Apparently a guy already broke the swim record.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, no.
They're younger guys.
Apparently they're saying a guy already broke the world record for the Olympic.
phil labonte
That's why I brought up the baseball.
tim pool
100 meters or something.
phil labonte
That's why I brought up that stuff about baseball because people want to see amazing things.
And when you have like.
Everybody smashing home runs.
Then you're like, oh, we got to get rid of the drugs.
Everyone starts getting tested.
brett dasovic
Heart attacks.
phil labonte
And then the home run record or the home run number just drops through the floor.
People are just like, bad.
tim pool
You know, the home run record's based on Royds.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So now it's never going to get beat.
brett dasovic
Barry Bonds will never be allowed to.
unidentified
That's true.
phil labonte
That's an absolute truth.
brett dasovic
You know, does that mean like next we're going to get the skinny Olympics sponsored by Ozempic?
tim pool
Nobody eats and they're all tired and nauseated.
brett dasovic
And kind of bitchy the whole time.
unidentified
Yeah.
Everybody's all just going to be like, welcome to my life.
brett dasovic
Yeah.
I think there's, we probably have a video on PCC going back to like 2021 where I was talking about how we need the steroid Olympics where everybody just gets jacked to the gills and does amazing stuff.
tim pool
And we just watch monsters just thrash each other, just deformed behemoths.
unidentified
Pro wrestling got worse.
We'll suffer the consequences.
phil labonte
There's a reason why the UFC is so much more, has so much higher viewership than boxing does because it's more extreme.
The guys are in better shape generally, and the rules are significantly looser.
It's closer to what you would see in a real fight.
All the rules and all of the regulations and stuff, people just kind of like, if you don't have Mike Tyson, right?
Like, just smash.
That's why people like Mike Tyson because he was an absolute monster smashing people.
And then you got UFC.
lydia monaghan
Come for the bitten ears.
unidentified
No.
phil labonte
Well, they don't like him for the rape either, but before that stuff.
brett dasovic
No, honestly, the craziest.
Thing is, he's one of those examples where people just kind of forget that that happened, that he got convicted of that.
Yeah, like he pushes everyone just woke up one day and was just kind of cool.
phil labonte
I don't know, that's horrible.
tim pool
Yeah, what do I want to look that up?
Then he pushes mom down the stairs, or who is it?
unidentified
Who is it?
carter banks
No, let me, yeah, let me see.
lydia monaghan
It's amazing how people like come back and they have, I don't know if that's like a great brand specialist who did that for him, or just to your point, Phil, like it pro wrestling was better when the wrestlers were on steroids.
brett dasovic
Oh, yeah, and a Macho Man Randy Savage promo.
tim pool
No, someone commented the Olympics used to be nude.
carter banks
I think that might be true.
brett dasovic
Fine.
If it has to be a new Home Run Derby.
lydia monaghan
Not in modern times.
phil labonte
Mike Tyson has never been confirmed to push his mother down the stairs.
unidentified
Whichever is of it.
phil labonte
Let's see.
It's a fictionary parody attributed to the animated character Derek Tatum from The Simpsons.
unidentified
So it's one of those false.
brett dasovic
It's a false implanted memory.
Now he just hates groaning because he's like everywhere I go, people accuse me of pushing my mom down the stairs.
unidentified
Oh, man.
tim pool
It's funny that I wasn't sure, but I heard it somewhere, and it turns out it was just a spoof from the same story.
carter banks
I think a rape one might be.
unidentified
That is true.
brett dasovic
He was convicted.
tim pool
He went to jail, right?
When he got out, he immediately won again and began.
phil labonte
Yeah, he smashed someone else.
tim pool
He smashed a woman, went to prison, they came out and smashed a guy.
phil labonte
But that, like, that's, like, I honestly think this is actually going to be, it's going to do fairly well because people want to see records broken.
They want to see amazing performances.
And the Olympians are all, you know, they're great.
They bust their hump to get there.
But when you see the augmented Olympics crushing the records of the people in the regular Olympics, people are going to be like, I want to watch that because it's about entertainment.
unidentified
Tim really is.
lydia monaghan
In fact, the Olympics is special, though.
I don't think it's going to lose.
carter banks
It's going to make regular Olympics special Olympics.
lydia monaghan
I feel like this is going to be the like, oh, it's like the Olympics, but it's not the Olympics.
The Olympics is still the Olympics.
brett dasovic
The steroid figure skaters will be 1440s on flat ground.
carter banks
Are there any sports that would not benefit from having steroids?
phil labonte
Curling.
brett dasovic
Yeah, you blast that energy as the power of curling.
I like how every winner of the Olympic curling team looks like they just showed up by accident.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
But I mean, there's like honestly, you know, the shooting the guy, the remember the yeah, like the Turkish guy, yeah, with special equipment.
phil labonte
It would mess with your like your ability to keep your hands the only thing that guy needed more was a cigarette hanging out of his mouth while he was doing it, just sitting there ripping a dart.
brett dasovic
I like that they're like, he's clearly special forces or a spy because he got third place, even though he doesn't look like he's trying, yeah, like he couldn't win.
tim pool
Their arms are all twisted and they're wearing the weird little the weird guys, yeah, the goggles, yeah, the Olympics, it's the best, that's hilarious.
Like, is it a thing where?
You were in a country where you had to cross country ski and then shoot people and then escape or something?
Was it like.
phil labonte
Well, there was a.
lydia monaghan
It's a Nordic country.
phil labonte
There was an Olympic game where you had to cross country ski and shoot.
lydia monaghan
Yeah, the biathlon.
phil labonte
Is it the biathlon?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
I think so.
phil labonte
I don't remember.
I don't know what it was called, but I do recall that actual.
lydia monaghan
It is amazing that that sport has lasted, that no one has said, oh, maybe it's time to take this out.
Like, it's still a thing.
And people still train for it.
I love that.
I think it's amazing.
brett dasovic
Are there any sports that still.
tim pool
Shot put would be interesting.
Woke Right Smears Conservatives 00:06:52
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
It's a guy in the concession stand.
unidentified
Someone's going to get hurt.
phil labonte
This is going to be awesome.
carter banks
What is the one called when you run with the pole and like joust yourself up?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, you mean pole vault?
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
That would be crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
I don't know.
lydia monaghan
Javelin.
unidentified
60s.
lydia monaghan
That's like back in the medieval period.
unidentified
That's still a thing.
tim pool
Well, javelins, they do javelin.
unidentified
What do you mean?
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
They run.
lydia monaghan
Oh, I was thinking of jousting.
My bad.
unidentified
All right.
brett dasovic
We can't do that because you cannot dope the horses.
phil labonte
Yeah, you don't want to hurt the horses.
lydia monaghan
I feel like we could have like a robotic horse, though.
phil labonte
I mean, motorcycles.
tim pool
Electric motorcycles with the motorcycle jousting.
I think people have done that.
phil labonte
Yeah, probably.
tim pool
Let's grab some callers.
Let's start with Hamstrung.
Hey, what's going on, brother?
unidentified
What's up, man?
Howdy.
Howdy.
hamstrung in unkown
I just got a question for Tim or the panel.
Let's get right into it.
There seems to be a massive reforming of who or what kind of, you know, the quotes right is.
It's taken place over the past several months, if not even a little bit longer.
You know, we even highlighted the elections where progressives are taking a hit.
I guess my question is are we doomed to regress to kind of early 2000s politics or can, you know, all these obvious You know, grifters be called out and kind of kicked out of the movement.
So you kind of keep the core movement that I guess we had more in 2016, but yeah, in the early right after the election, too.
tim pool
You can't kick people out.
It's just not a thing.
I mean, they have their audiences.
It's just MAGA's fractured.
And the core pro Trump base, like, no, it's not because we're MAGA.
It's like, no, no, no.
There was a coalition.
There were moderates.
There were libertarians.
They're all misaligned now.
So I don't know what that means, but you can't kick Candace out of her own audience.
It's not going to happen.
hamstrung in unkown
I guess just me like actively calling them out more, like being like, they're not even on the right at this point, I would say.
They're not even conservative.
tim pool
And it just feels like everyone's just a grift to, you know, like, you know, like, despite the fact that Candace is pandering to liberals, liberals are going to go, nope, she's a conservative.
It's because they love the idea that, see, even conservatives agree with us.
So they can't let her be a lib.
unidentified
Yeah.
hamstrung in unkown
I mean, even, even like, sorry, go ahead.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, you, you look at the, there's this post that Nate Silver put up that was going around.
He called Jackson Hinkle on the right.
Jackson Hinkle is a, yeah, he's a communist.
Yeah, he's a founder of the American Communist Party.
He's right on the right.
lydia monaghan
So, by the horseshoe theory, you know, the alt right and the alt left kind of meet in, you know, in the middle there.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia monaghan
The fringe extremes meet up.
phil labonte
You know, I don't even like, I don't know that the actual national socialists out there are super anti Trump.
There's the Groypers and stuff that are, but I'm that Nick, the Nick Fuentes followers.
But I don't know that if you're actually like really, you know, national socialist, I don't know that they're anti Trump now.
I mean, I'm sure that Trump wouldn't want them to be pro Trump, but, uh, I think that Nick Fuentes and the Groibers and stuff, they're kind of an entity to themselves.
They're not really.
lydia monaghan
He told people to vote for Democrats, Fuentes.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And he was anti Trump before.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
brett dasovic
This is all like a ton of purity testing, which is just a side effect of a large scale coalition of voters being built.
Kind of like the left purity test themselves, but they're so rigid about keeping everyone in line that you're not really allowed to fall away from the pack, anyways.
So everybody arguing about who's more like who was more America first or who was more.
MAGA early on.
phil labonte
Yeah, there's always stupid purity tests.
And when you're dealing with a coalition, purity tests are the worst thing you can do because the coalition is not going to live up to any purity tests.
This is one of the problems that libertarians have all the time.
They're always like, well, I'm the only real libertarian.
You know, libertarians are constantly purity testing each other.
And you'd think that, you know, ostensibly libertarians are supposed to be like, you do what you want just so long as you want to be free.
But as soon as someone says, well, you know, we need the politics of addition, not Subtraction.
lydia monaghan
I feel like in general, though, the left, I think for the left, progressivism is more of a religion.
I feel like a lot of people on the right are just like want to do their thing and make sure government isn't in their way.
So I think inherently the left is more prone to purity.
phil labonte
Yeah, the MAGA coalition was not as much all right wing or all Republican as it was, I reject the woke of the left.
That was really, really good.
tim pool
I can't stand the phrase woke right, though.
We've gone off on that a million times.
And there are people now that it's all just tribalism.
The, the, the retard right's not woke.
They don't exhibit woke.
They're like, Candace is retarded.
Tucker has strong opinions that are aligned against Israel, but he's not the same thing as Candace in terms of ideology.
Woke left were marching in lockstep over the same issues, even when they didn't make sense.
Nick Fuentes and Candace don't get along.
There's not woke right.
It's stupid.
lydia monaghan
That's an interesting discussion.
brett dasovic
This is part of the human beings' inherent need to categorize everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, James Lindsay explicitly said.
No, I know.
brett dasovic
I'm saying, but in general.
tim pool
Right, but for the honest, the purpose of woke right was to create a catch all for people he could smear as anti Semites and white supremacists the same way alt right did.
That's his explanation.
So he's outright saying he knows all these people have different ideologies, but he wants to create an insult for all of them to freak people out.
brett dasovic
It's like I don't use the term woke when I. Complain about things in movies and TV shows because my definition of that is likely very different.
Like, you have a very specific definition you have for that term, but I could people give you the correct definition, but people could give you 10,000 different definitions for what they consider to be something woke in a movie or a television show.
So, it's inherently not beneficial for me to describe it that way, especially if I'm trying to tell you to or to not to see something.
That makes sense.
tim pool
Yeah, there's an aesthetic to woke, which is a broad thing.
Like, the reason why the Jaguar commercial was woke, even though they didn't say anything, it's because it's the aesthetic.
phil labonte
Does that answer your question?
tim pool
Yeah.
Anyway, yeah.
Do you want to share anything?
hamstrung in unkown
I guess I could add one thing.
It's not, for me, it's not really a purity test.
It just feels like these guys are operating like on a, you know, attention economy and politics is hot right now.
It feels like they don't care about anything, like left or right.
They're just, yeah, I guess grifters in the word, but that's, yeah, that's all I had to add.
lydia monaghan
They don't care about making money.
unidentified
Yeah, they do.
brett dasovic
Well, it's like when Joe Kent came out and it became about specifically talking about Israel, right?
Like you have to come out and you have to have like a thing, and that's your niche focus because that's what your audience is going for.
And that's not to say that.
Everybody is, you know, it's just people who have some type of problem with Israel.
There's people on all sides of the aisle that have their thing, and that's what they focus on because it's not necessarily about speaking truth to power as much as they say that that's true.
It's about garnering an audience and holding that audience.
Iran Deal Positions Enemies 00:10:21
phil labonte
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got anything you want to add?
Got anything you want to shout out?
hamstrung in unkown
Drinking tea is gay.
Real patriots drink coffee.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, thanks for calling in.
unidentified
Thanks, guys.
Thanks, man.
tim pool
All right, let's grab Oswald.
That was Hamstrung, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oswald, that ends Wald.
carter banks
What's up, Oswald?
oswald that ends wald in unknown
Hey, guys, can you hear me okay?
unidentified
Yeah, yep.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
All right, good.
So I kind of have a few questions for the panel.
So just to kind of start us off, what should the next steps be after the Iran war is wrapped up, assuming that any ceasefire holds?
So do you think this is a win for the United States?
Iran still has a Strait of Hormuz.
Their nuclear materials, U.S. troops withdrawn from the region, the U.S. accepted Iran's 10 point peace plan.
So, what do you guys think about that?
phil labonte
I don't think the U.S. has actually accepted the 10 point peace plan.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a framework for negotiation, but also beyond that, I don't know.
There are a million and one variables.
We don't know what's going to happen, so I don't know what to prescribe next.
lydia monaghan
It does look like the journal has reported about some of the edicts in the peace plan, and they seem a little unreasonable about what Iran wants.
brett dasovic
I think we should just go back to focusing on Epstein.
I think that would be really beneficial.
I think we'd get a lot done if we did that.
unidentified
Yeah.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
So, my next one is Do you think we owe Iran for damages to the country?
Should we help them rebuild their civilian infrastructure like bridges, power, water, et cetera?
unidentified
No.
lydia monaghan
Well, there was only one bridge that was destroyed.
That was the only infrastructure that was impacted.
Everything else was destroying military infrastructure.
carter banks
I feel like Israel should owe them, not us.
I don't know.
phil labonte
I don't know.
They shot a lot of missiles at Israel.
I'm not sure that Israel should owe them.
I think Iran's got plenty of oil, they got plenty of money.
lydia monaghan
And it's kind of like a Venezuela situation where a lot of Western companies invested in Iran and then they sort of took over the means of production.
So I think that's why when Trump was saying, Oh, to the victor goes the spoils, I think there is a sense in which they stole a lot of effort and work and infrastructure from many companies quite a long time ago.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't see them.
There is talk about them charging for transit through the Strait of Hormuz and splitting the money with Oman.
I don't know if that's actually true, but one of the reasons that was stated for that was because they were going to use that to rebuild the infrastructure.
But no, I don't think the U.S. should give them a dime.
I don't think the U.S. needs to give them anything.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
So, I guess what I was kind of thinking of was the United States helped Germany rebuild after World War II.
So, I was just kind of wondering what your thoughts were if there was any sort of parallel or not.
lydia monaghan
Germany surrendered.
Like, Germany and Japan literally signed treaties or like Hitler killed themselves.
Like, it was very clear that they had lost and that Nazism and the powers were not going to exist in the same way.
So, I think if Iran wanted to surrender, yeah, we can have a Marshall Plan 2.0 if we're going to see serious regime change there, but why would we?
It seems like it's.
I think somebody made this distinction between there's a difference between regime change and regimes acting differently.
And from the American vantage point, the only thing that matters is the regime is acting differently, but we don't need to prop them up and give them cash.
unidentified
Yeah, we don't.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
And then my last question is do you think this is productive American policy?
So, kind of throwing the world into chaos, in a sense, holding the world hostage unless Iran bends the knees.
So, energy shortages, fertilizer shortages, et cetera.
Is all of this destruction morally worth it for the petrodollar?
tim pool
For American hegemonic power, if you want the U.S. to stay on top of all the other countries, you don't want a Chinese Communist Party controlling the world, then yes.
That's the challenge of war.
Some people will argue China will never do it.
I don't think that's the case.
I think they will.
I think the Belt Road Initiative is obvious that they're trying to build their own IMF, their own liberal economic order, and will be under their boot.
lydia monaghan
I also think there's something to be said for Iran.
You know, Iran and China and Russia are all allies.
So I think weakening one weakens the other.
And that's why the Ukrainians and Zelensky was actually very supportive of our action in Iran.
Because if we are able to weaken them, that inherently impacts China, which gets much more of their oil from Iran than really anybody else.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, I'm of the opinion that a lot of this had to do with China.
I don't think that it was exclusively China.
I think that a lot of it, I think it was, you know, Israel deciding, saying that they're going to attack Iran, you know, kind of forced the U.S.'s hand.
But I also think that the U.S. looked at the situation and said, you know, this is actually going to be really bad for China.
We can use this to our advantage.
lydia monaghan
Regardless of, I think I still have a lot of questions about the strategy long term, but regardless, I think the display that our military put on and the success from a military vantage point, I mean, the AI we were using, this is the first time we deployed some of these incredible new technologies we have, but the way that they were able to rescue the soldiers, they had a heartbeat detector.
So they were able to find his heartbeat over the span of, Thousands of miles.
So I think that is certainly a deterrent to China to show off everything that we've created.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, and also the fact that the weapons that Iran had and Venezuela actually were all Chinese.
And China had said, oh, you know, these things can defeat stealth.
And it was an absolute, absolute annihilation.
China, it was really, really, really bad for China.
And I think that that's why China stepped in and said, Iran, you need to stop this.
You need to accept some kind of deal.
unidentified
You need to get it together.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Get it together.
You need to stop because whoever they're talking to over there.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
So, like I said, I think a lot of this had to do with China, even though I don't think that it was exclusively China.
I'm not saying that it was all because of China.
But I think that the reason why the U.S. thought that it was a good idea to do this was like, we can make this work to our advantage by putting China in.
lydia monaghan
Yeah, there's like ripple effects on the proxies that are now sort of decimated, but also.
phil labonte
And I've mentioned this a couple times.
I've mentioned this a couple times.
Like when the Biden administration met with China, the entourage was talking to Blinken and they came right out and said, you are not negotiating from a position of strength.
I don't know if people remember.
It was in Alaska.
And now Trump has a meeting with Xi, I believe, in June.
tim pool
I think the Democrats want the war with Iran.
I think that's why they didn't vote on the war resolutions power.
And I think the liberal commentators want the war with Iran.
And I think Tucker and Candace and all these other people do.
That's why they're insulting Trump.
I don't think they don't like, they know they're goading Trump to saying, oh, you're chicken, Trump.
You didn't do it.
I think that's the idea.
They want the war with Iran.
They've wanted it for decades.
lydia monaghan
It will help them in the midterms or why?
tim pool
No, no, I think that the U.S. has had, like, Afghanistan and Iraq.
It was a pincer strike against Iran.
We surrounded them.
The military industrial complex, Lindsey Graham, John Bolton, the neocons, they wanted to shut down Iran for decades.
Iran's been on our list.
So I think these Democrats and liberals who are saying, ha ha, Trump's a chicken, know that it is goading Trump to continue the war.
That's what they want.
The first time they called Trump presidential in the media was when he launched 59 Tomahawk missiles on Syria.
When Trump goes to war, they celebrate him.
In this instance, they're not, but it's strange that.
Everyone is attacking Trump for not going to war right now.
The only conclusion is they would have preferred that he did.
And they're mad that he didn't.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
So, got anything you want to add or shout out?
oswald that ends wald in unknown
Yeah, so I guess something I kind of want to add a little bit is just that.
So, I'm teaching my seven year old son how to play chess, and he's getting very, very good.
And I guess the way that I kind of see this is as much as I hate to see the destruction and the use of our military and the just kind of free floating anxiety throughout the world, it's kind of like removing a bishop off the board.
It's not necessarily the king.
It's maybe not as powerful as a queen.
But it's still a problem piece that is, you know, especially if he's controlling the center of the board, it's kind of like you got to get that piece off the board or do something with it to, you know, to try and protect your own side so that you can essentially win in the long term.
And that's how I kind of, I guess that's how I kind of look at it.
It doesn't make me happy.
I wouldn't have advised, Tim, I'm sort of with you.
I wouldn't have advised going into Iran.
I wouldn't have advised on it.
But it's just one of those things where it's kind of like once we're in it, we have to try to.
Kind of make the best of it.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's a literal gambit in the truest sense of the chess terminology.
Trump is making a move that has potential risks in a hope to position his enemies in a way that will give him the advantage in the long term.
If Trump succeeds here, it swings the advantage so heavily that I don't see the BRICS nations ever recovering.
So they're not going to be crushed immediately.
He's not checkmating, but it's a foregone conclusion at this point.
They may actually just say, okay, okay, shake hands and say, let us know how to run this.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
Yeah.
So, I have a few shout outs actually.
So, Carter, for making the great music.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
Dude, for sure.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
Congratulations, Brett, on your marriage.
unidentified
Thank you.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
And your wife was very helpful getting us set up for this call.
unidentified
Excellent.
brett dasovic
Glad she's doing it.
unidentified
Congratulations.
I'm sorry?
brett dasovic
I said, Glad.
I'm glad.
I'm going to tell her good job doing your job when I get home tonight.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
Congratulations, Phil and Tim, on your babies.
phil labonte
Appreciate it.
unidentified
Thank you.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
And last one, probably most importantly, Brett and Phil, you were both my inspiration for getting sober.
phil labonte
So, congratulations, man.
oswald that ends wald in unknown
So, have a good night, guys.
unidentified
Good to hear you on.
phil labonte
Thanks for calling in.
unidentified
Good one.
All right.
tim pool
Next up, we've got Pop Punk Programmer.
Private Equity Alternatives Emerge 00:09:31
unidentified
What's up?
What's up, homie?
phil labonte
What's up, dude?
unidentified
Hey, guys.
pop punk programmer in unknown
How's it going, guys?
Thank you guys for having me on tonight.
unidentified
Absolutely.
carter banks
Calling in.
unidentified
Yes.
Yes.
pop punk programmer in unknown
Awesome.
Yes.
Second time caller.
About almost a 10 year listener at this point, Tim.
I've been listening to your videos since roughly after the inauguration in 2016.
unidentified
Wow.
pop punk programmer in unknown
It's been really awesome to watch things moving the way they have been.
And yeah, no, I just want to get into this.
So, what you guys were talking about with private equity earlier made me jump onto my computer and go to the Discord and say, Hey, I'd like to talk to Tim about this.
It sounded to me like you were really defending private equity.
And I come to this topic as a libertarian capitalist myself.
I'm not anti capitalism, of course, but I think the way private equity is operating is very sketchy and is hurting the economy in general and hurting the American people.
So, I just wanted to get a clarification from you, Tim, on how you feel about private equity and how you're actually, like, what your actual point on this is.
And if that Is taking into account the issues of these leverage buyouts, the collateral obligation loans that they're putting the companies under, recipe thinning, asset stripping, all these things that these private equity firms are doing that are destroying these companies.
And these things are also being passed off to pension firms as well.
tim pool
So you're describing specific companies that have done a bad thing.
Private equity as a function is when investors come into a business.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
Like private equity is a vague, generic term that has been used by activists upset about large companies that do bad things to start attacking just general capitalism.
So, if Phil and I pool resources and say we're going to start a private equity firm, we each put in 20 grand, small, and we say we're going to buy a small business off BizBuySell that we think is not doing a good job, there's a reason they're selling.
We're going to invest in it, clean it up, and fix it up and make a profit.
That's great.
But what happens is you have big companies that have done bad things to be able to criticize.
So they said, private equity as a general concept is a bad thing.
It's like, no, no, no, no.
You're talking about that one firm.
Like, you're talking about this company did a bad thing.
Don't attack the idea of investing in a business in general as bad.
brett dasovic
Language wise, I feel like it's from videos that are being made where somebody makes a general point about a company.
Like the video I was talking about earlier about the private equity firm, the specific one that bought up these hockey rinks and removed the rights of parents to film their kids with their phones because they have a streaming service.
That they have to subscribe to if they want to see their kids play hockey.
And the video is basically like private equity is doing this thing when what he could be saying is like this company and others like it are doing that thing.
It's communists.
It's a side effect of people who are shortening their videos and making capitalists who want to see a better system.
tim pool
No, it's communism.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Private equity literally is a reference to investors buying companies.
It's just, that's all it is.
Private equity literally is a generic term, not a proper noun.
Private equity means private ownership of business.
That's all it means.
So, there are big firms that buy up companies and do bad things.
And now you've got people using the general term for investing in a business as evil.
pop punk programmer in unknown
That is fair.
I just, I was, that's what I thought you were talking about earlier, Tim.
I just wanted to make sure because it seems like it was being talked about in the context of private equity being used in a colloquial sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
pop punk programmer in unknown
But I understand that, you know, describing it as a generalization.
tim pool
It's like this when the left says abolish profit, and then you say to them, like, but if a man makes birdhouses and the materials cost $20, How will he buy food after selling his birdhouse if he can't profit?
They go, No, we're not talking about that.
We're talking about corporations.
And I'm like, Oh.
So you're upset over a handful of large corporations, not the constant profit, but you're attacking profit.
It's what communists do because it's all a Trojan horse to get capitalism abolished or communism implemented.
brett dasovic
It's like when they say eat the rich.
Well, not these rich people.
We mean these specific rich people.
phil labonte
It's never the issue, or the issue is never the issue.
The issue is always the revolution.
pop punk programmer in unknown
So that is fair.
Yeah, that's completely fair.
Should we be finding some other term to use for these companies that are explicitly engaging in these practices?
I was talking about with the hockey rinks.
This is happening across multiple industries with not just retail and food service, but also hospitals, veterinary.
There's a lot of, and even in the trades as well, this is happening across a large amount of the economy, and this is going to cause an issue.
So should we be finding some other term to refer to these companies specifically?
unidentified
Yes, their names.
pop punk programmer in unknown
Yeah, of course.
But I mean, this is a very large chunk of private equity which is doing this.
lydia monaghan
Pretty much any private equity company that's publicly traded.
I actually, not to toot my own horn here, actually, I wrote a story that I think is very cool about now there are companies that are sort of trying to offer an alternative because one issue we have is sort of this what's referred to as a silver tsunami, where there's a lot of boomers and folks who've created these sort of small and medium sized businesses.
They're retiring and they face these two options either they shutter their business or in some cases the only option is to sell to private equity.
And some of these folks don't want to do that.
And To large private equity firms that are publicly traded because they've seen the outcome is employees get fired, prices are more expensive, and the investment that they personally made in the community of supporting local charities and whatnot and giving back, large private equity firms that are headquartered in New York City, for instance, aren't going to invest in their community.
So there's one company I wrote about, it's, I think, I'm blanking on American Operator, but I know there's other companies doing this as well.
And they're basically trying to offer an alternative where they partner with.
Somebody in the community to help that person purchase the business and sort of keep the money, keep the profit, keep the business locally owned and not outsource it to a big company.
brett dasovic
It feels like such a dying effort in today's day and age, too.
lydia monaghan
I don't think, but I think people want that option.
tim pool
I take another look at, too, like even with large private equity firms, the thing that annoys me about it, too, is there are a lot of companies that are dysfunctional, run by morons, and by luck, they're staying afloat.
They should have someone come in and gut it and clean it up.
So, even large scale private equity, I think, is a good thing.
The idea that like businesses should just get to exist is communist to me.
Don't get me wrong, there are nefarious practices in the business with debt, loading a business with debt to offload it and things like that, then bankrupt it.
unidentified
That I understand.
lydia monaghan
What do you make though?
Because there are.
pop punk programmer in unknown
Yeah, that's what I call it.
lydia monaghan
There are quantitative ripple effects.
Like the cost, I forget, I think Bank of America produced a research study that said, as a result of some of these big private equity companies buying up veterinarian clinics, Prices are up something like 38% over the last five years.
brett dasovic
And in hospitals, quality goes down.
lydia monaghan
And so there are, like, how would you respond to that?
Because there are quantifiable impacts on price, on quality, on the.
tim pool
Open a veterinary clinic and compete and offer cheaper prices.
It is communist to say that because a business is bought another business, we should shut that business down instead of why doesn't someone just open a competing clinic next door that offers cheaper prices and steals all the business, putting them under?
This is what Starbucks does.
Starbucks will open, allegedly, Opens a coffee shop across the street from a mom and pop shop, drops their prices at a loss so that people stop going to the mom and pop shop, putting them out of business, then they normalize their prices.
Why doesn't anybody do that?
Why are they just complaining?
Oh, it's not fair.
phil labonte
Anything you want to add?
pop punk programmer in unknown
I think I'm good.
Thank you, guys.
I just thought that was a pretty interesting conversation.
It was really interesting when you brought on Tiffany Sianci and Ian Carroll for these topics before.
And I think they're also the carried interest loophole talking point we didn't get to touch on either.
But I don't want to harp on the point further.
So, yeah, thank you.
tim pool
Now look where Ian Carroll is.
Dude's brain fell out.
pop punk programmer in unknown
I mean, he does do good research work and things.
And he talks about how private equity has been taking over grocery stores and such.
tim pool
But I don't know if it's a symptom of this show, but certainly people on other shows have had their brains fall out.
lydia monaghan
Fingers crossed.
tim pool
I think you'll be all right.
Okay.
pop punk programmer in unknown
Yeah, definitely.
unidentified
All right.
pop punk programmer in unknown
Well, I'll shout out my Instagram is Revo Ryan Photography.
That's R E V O. If anyone wants to check out some concert photography, I like to go to a lot of punk rock shows.
And Phil, looking forward to seeing you at Welcome to Rockville next month.
phil labonte
Oh, sick, man.
Thanks for coming.
brett dasovic
Are you going to sell your company to a large private equity firm that does photography?
That's the real question.
pop punk programmer in unknown
No, no, I would never sell out to the BlackRock.
We will not be eating Z Bugs.
unidentified
BlackRock Photography.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in, brother.
unidentified
Thanks, dude.
Thanks.
Have a good one.
tim pool
So I'll just say this like, if I were to go, let's say it was a company for sale and I bought it.
And then said, Guys, you have three employees that don't do anything and fired them.
They'd be like, This motherfucking asshole came in, fired people, all for profit.
So some of this stuff I think is just, you know.
But let's grab CNES.
lydia monaghan
It's a wonderful life, right?
You know, you have the protagonist, George Bailey, who is trying to get back.
And I guess you could say that, like, who, Mr. Potter is just being, he's reducing costs and.
Creating, I don't even know what the terminology would be, but there's some, I don't know.
There's something, and again, I can't quantify it, but it's like a moral thing that I think Frank Capra encapsulated in his wonderful life.
brett dasovic
Is the idea just like any crack begets a flood and any regulation at all is just too dangerous?
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tim pool
Any regulation?
brett dasovic
Like if you were to try and regulate these companies to prevent them from buying up a certain amount of companies.
lydia monaghan
I think it's like every problem was the solution to a previous problem.
So I think sometimes when you try and regulate things, there's always these unintended consequences.
That often make things worse.
That's the issue.
tim pool
Zinoski, what's up, brother?
unidentified
Dude.
cnosky in unknown
Yeah, you know, guys, you started off the after show talking about steroids and baseball.
And I got to say, until they right the wrong of Pete Rose, I don't really care.
unidentified
That's true.
cnosky in unknown
Honestly, Tim, you know, honestly, Tim, I can't imagine a world in which I should ever trust our government.
I get that Trump's attempting to do good and being stopped in everything he does, but he is just one man.
We can't lay it all on him.
That's why we got Marco Rubio.
But more importantly, we just saw in Kentucky the state Supreme Court ruled that the Kentucky legislature, having voted 73 to 14 to do so, cannot impeach a state circuit judge, citing that there is a judiciary review committee that is supposed to do that, not the legislature.
We, as a country, are officially cooked.
tim pool
Well, I mean, it's just one state, but yeah, I think we've been locked down for a long time.
I think they're telling us outright we're chickens in a chicken coop.
What are we going to do about it?
lydia monaghan
An animal?
cnosky in unknown
Absolutely nothing, apparently.
tim pool
And they're going to take our eggs from us like a 15 minute city.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't really, I don't, I'm not familiar with what you're talking about, but the idea of getting rid of judges is, it seems to me, one of the more difficult things that absolutely has to happen if we're going to have, if we're going to straighten out what's going on, the problems in our government, right?
Like a judge should not be able to decide that something the president does.
brett dasovic
You mean all the injunctions and stuff?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Like they shouldn't be able to make a nationwide injunction for everybody about a thing.
You know, it should be like there's this person that's bringing up this issue.
There's an injunction for this individual.
It shouldn't be, you know, nationwide.
It's an injunction for this person.
And everything that, like the whole rest of the country, still goes, you know, as had been before the injunction.
And then when the specific person's specific, you know, claimant or, you know, whatever gets in front of the court and the court finds, then maybe it'll go to the rest of the country.
But the idea that they can just put.
Put the brakes on the executive office because one person says, Hey, I don't like this.
Now, that is not in any way anything that anyone has ever intended.
I think that this actually got started during the Obama administration in 2012.
brett dasovic
It comes when you started hearing the terms like Obama appointed judge and stuff like that, right?
It's like when the lawfare really began and they started slowing down the process.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
So, yeah.
So, like I said, I don't have any, I'm not familiar with the specific.
Thing you're talking about in Kentucky, but the idea overall of a nationwide injunction that stuff has to stop.
tim pool
Yeah, they don't want people making decisions.
cnosky in unknown
Oh, I understand that.
It just baffles my mind that the legislature, you know, the body that's supposed to be the will of the people, got stopped like this.
It is asinine to believe that we have any authority in this country ever again.
tim pool
I mean, this is just one state level thing, though, so it probably operates way differently in West Virginia, to be honest.
Dojo: A Discord Alternative 00:01:10
cnosky in unknown
Well, one can hope.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Was there anything else?
cnosky in unknown
Nothing to that.
I do have a shout out, though.
tim pool
Get it.
cnosky in unknown
All right, guys.
I am here to tell you about streamers.com.
Streamers.com was created by a small creator who got tired of trying to find all sorts of people to do all sorts of tasks necessary for their streaming, and he built it.
This is somebody who has taken Rumble's platform and just with their API fixed many, many bugs that are associated with Rumble.
unidentified
Wow.
cnosky in unknown
And guess what?
It is getting better.
unidentified
Good.
cnosky in unknown
He is now creating a Discord alternative called Dojo, which will be launching in the next two weeks.
So I want to shout out the real Tomby on Rumble and thank him for all that he's doing.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Right on.
phil labonte
Awesome.
tim pool
Very cool, man.
Well, thanks for calling in, brother.
unidentified
All right.
Thank you.
carter banks
Thank you, sir.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
My friends, as always, it's been a blast.
We're back tomorrow.
Who knows what's going to happen?
The world's not going to end.
So we're all pretty happy.
Lydia, it's been great.
Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thank you for having me.
lydia monaghan
It's such a pleasure.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And for everybody else, we'll see y'all tomorrow.
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