May 30, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| This morning, Deputy Director of the FBI Dan Bongino announced Epstein prison surveillance videos exist and they will be released and he says, it shows, nobody was in that prison with Epstein, ergo, he must have unalived himself. | ||
| The words we have to use on these ridiculous platforms, everybody knows what he meant, right? | ||
| Everybody knows what we meant. | ||
| Well, now people are coming out and saying they don't believe the videos are real. | ||
| If they do come out, they're probably AI, and they think that Cash and Dan have sold out, and they are now part of the deep state machine. | ||
| We'll talk about it, I suppose. | ||
| We also got big news for Donald Trump. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Yeah, everybody the other day, all these liberals are gloating, saying Trump's tariffs got shut down by the International Court of Trade or whatever. | ||
| And sure enough, like clockwork, Donald Trump gets an appeal. | ||
| They're reinstated. | ||
| This is why this happens all the time, okay? | ||
| I always tell everybody, when you get some of these stories, sometimes you have to wait. | ||
| They'll come out and they'll say, like, Donald Trump kicked a dog. | ||
| And you're like, yeah, I'm not going to report that because I know what's going to happen. | ||
| A day later, they go, actually, that's not true. | ||
| And they run these stories so they can make Trump look bad, so they can score points. | ||
| And then in reality, it was never shut down. | ||
| He won the appeal. | ||
| And I'm like, OK, here we go, right? | ||
| These things got to play out because we expect the appeal to be appealed. | ||
| And then, you know, we'll see what happens. | ||
| But I suppose the fact that he won the appeal is the news. | ||
| We'll talk about that. | ||
| And my favorite story of the day, ladies and gentlemen, not only. | ||
| Did King Charles just give back Canada to the indigenous of Canada? | ||
| Even in Canada, they are claiming that he has undermined Canadian sovereignty by claiming that they are illegitimately occupying native land. | ||
| I love these lunatics because this gives Trump a legitimate claim to take Canada. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| I don't want Canada, but it would be hilarious if Trump went to the Algonquin people and said, considering the king says it's your land, I'll buy it from you. | ||
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My name's Sarah Stock, and yeah, I'm a contributor for Rift as of a few months ago, and I write articles for the website, and yeah. | |
| Cool, right on. | ||
| Well, it should be fun. | ||
| Mary's hanging out. | ||
| Hello, everyone. | ||
| My name is Mary Morgan, and you can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast. | ||
| We had Phil on today. | ||
| Every Thursday. | ||
| Hello, everybody. | ||
| My name is Phil Labonte. | ||
| I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains. | ||
| I'm an anti-communist and a counter-evolutionary. | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
| Here's the news, whether you like it or not, from the New York Post. | ||
| FBI will soon release video that proves Jeffrey Epstein was not murdered, quote, clear as day. | ||
| Yeah, sorry, no, I don't buy that, but thanks for the headline, New York Post. | ||
| They say, FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino promised Thursday to release new video that finally debunks conspiracy theories that Jeffrey Epstein could have been murdered, insisting no one was there but him at the time of his jail cell suicide. | ||
| There's video clear as day, Bongino told Fox and Friends. | ||
| He's the only person in there, and the only person coming out, you can see it. | ||
| Wait, hold on. | ||
| Epstein was the only person who came out? | ||
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How? | |
| He was dead. | ||
| Well, his body left the room. | ||
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Did his body levitate and float out through demonic possession? | |
| I thought the tapes corrupted or some bullshit like that. | ||
| One of the tapes was unusable. | ||
| But ALX points. | ||
| Actually, I think I have the post from ALX. | ||
| Let me play this video, actually. | ||
| You can hear it from Dan Bongino himself. | ||
| Cases, obviously, are of significant public interest. | ||
| I'm just telling you what we see in the file. | ||
| I just want to be crystal clear on this. | ||
| I am not asking anyone to believe me. | ||
| I'm telling you what's there and what isn't. | ||
| There is nothing in the file at this point on the Epstein case. | ||
| And there's going to be a disclosure on this coming shortly. | ||
| We are working through some videollipers. | ||
| There is video. | ||
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That is something the public does. | |
| No, no, not the actual act, but the entire MCC Bay, it was only one camera. | ||
| There were other, there's video that when you look at the video, and we will release, that's what's taken a while on this. | ||
| We are working on cleaning it up to make sure you have an enhanced version. | ||
| You're going to see there's no one there but him. | ||
| There's just nobody there. | ||
| So I say to people all the time, if you have a tip, let us know. | ||
| But there's no DNA. | ||
| There's no audio. | ||
| There's no fingerprints. | ||
| There's no suspects. | ||
| There's no accomplices. | ||
| There's no tips. | ||
| There is nothing. | ||
| If you have it, I'm happy to see it. | ||
| There's video clear as day. | ||
| He's the only person in there and the only person coming out. | ||
| You can see it. | ||
| You heard him say it. | ||
| He's the only person coming out. | ||
| I have questions about how a corpse comes out. | ||
| Did they throw a rope on his legs, leave the building, and then drag his body out? | ||
| Or did he just misspeak when he said coming out? | ||
| I assume he misspoke. | ||
| They brought him out on a gurney. | ||
| Everyone's seen pictures of that. | ||
| He wasn't the only one coming out. | ||
| Well, I mean, like I said, I think that he misspoke. | ||
| As for, you know, the reaction that this is going to get, it's not going to change anyone's mind at all. | ||
| I posted something about this, that actual clip on my X account today, and I just said, you know, what do you guys... | ||
| And there were people that were attacking me for even implying that anyone would change their mind. | ||
| Bummed with me. | ||
| So it's going to be the same kind of results that the JFK files did. | ||
| Everybody that already has a preconception is going to believe that their preconception was confirmed. | ||
| Everybody's saying it's going to be an AI video. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| But I think it's really clear here. | ||
| The truth is simple. | ||
| I want to remind people of that. | ||
| Just like in 9-11, they found a passport that survived being incinerated from an airplane. | ||
| And then also another hijacker lost his luggage and found another passport. | ||
| Proving that we needed to therefore be in the Middle East for the next 20 years. | ||
| I know if they had video and it clearly showed that he committed suicide, I don't know if we can say that word on the show, but that he unalived himself, whatever the word is, I can say that would have been released and we would have had it. | ||
| When you come out... | ||
| And I know Dan, and I like Dan, so this is not a slide on him. | ||
| But he looks like he had something scared out of him. | ||
| Because he's going, listen, I have the video. | ||
| It exists. | ||
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It looks like holding a gun behind the camera. | |
| So you have the video of him killing himself? | ||
| No, not that video. | ||
| But here's a video of my dog. | ||
| It's really cute. | ||
| And also, we have some clips of the body coming out. | ||
| And also, just because the FBI, we have no fingerprints. | ||
| Therefore, there was no criminals. | ||
| Because the only people that, either A, there was a criminal, or B, maybe the FBI and CIA were the best cover-ups of all crimes, including international crimes like 9-11. | ||
| Could have probably covered this crime up, too. | ||
| Maybe that's what happened, Dan. | ||
| Why do you think we'd believe you? | ||
| I feel like he shot his credibility with the right. | ||
| That's my opinion. | ||
| I think he's handled it poorly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like Dan. | ||
| I like Ash. | ||
| But I feel like because he has videos that exist on his podcast where he does air quotes for Epstein's suicide, for him to just turn around and be like, nope, never happened, he needs to address what he's said about this. | ||
| And I think he's—this on Fox& Friends was an attempt at— He's cleaning up his Maria Bartiromo interview where he was like, he killed himself. | ||
| And it was like, he was choking up. | ||
| Look, the Daily Show made fun of him. | ||
| Like, they showed a video of him where he's like, what, Epstein killed himself and now all the evidence is gone? | ||
| Dan needs to talk about that in his interviews. | ||
| Not just, we went through the files and then there. | ||
| He needs to say, you know, look, I was cheerleading. | ||
| I was going through this before I was in the FBI. | ||
| and so the first thing I did was I went for the evidence. | ||
| The other thing I should mention is Not that he should take my advice from me. | ||
| I'm just saying he came out and he was like, if you have tips, please give them to me. | ||
| I think he should have just kept it simple and said, I don't know what to tell you guys other than we don't have any evidence of anything. | ||
| The FBI formally, our official statement, we don't have evidence of anything. | ||
| So I'll leave it at that. | ||
| He should have done that. | ||
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It's so stupid, this thing, like, oh yeah, we can't release the video yet because we're cleaning it up to enhance, like, what? | |
| You're, like, turning up the brightness or something? | ||
| Like, this is the government. | ||
| I'm pretty sure you have, like, a good video editor. | ||
| It's going through Lightroom, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, you gotta put it on an iMovie. | ||
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It's gonna take us about three weeks to, like, turn up the saturation on this video, so it's just, like, a really nice video. | |
| It's rendering for two weeks, you know? | ||
| Yeah, but hold on. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| It's the government. | ||
| Did you see Sean Duffy did that presentation of all the FAA equipment? | ||
| They're using, like, Tandy computers from the 70s. | ||
| Their computers are like dot matrix. | ||
| It's rendering on a BlackBerry, you know? | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| BlackBerry's way too advanced for government. | ||
| They got industrial control systems from 50 years ago they're still using. | ||
| So, not that I think the surveillance footage is actually that old. | ||
| I'm just saying it probably is on a garbage old system that sucks. | ||
| Look at when Elon Musk said that federal retirements are all handled in a limestone cavern. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| He used a pulley system? | ||
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Oh my gosh. | |
| And they were like, wait, they were driving tricycles through it? | ||
| Yeah, it's like they couldn't find a dwarf from New Sierra White. | ||
| They were busy working in the records mine. | ||
| I don't think anybody thought that Hillary Clinton snuck in there like this and then attacked him in the middle of the night. | ||
| It could have been anything. | ||
| I just don't understand how it's possible to hang yourself with paper-thin bedsheets from a bunk bed that's shorter than you. | ||
| That's what I don't understand. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Dan, please. | ||
| There are men taking his body out, right? | ||
| New conspiracy theory. | ||
| Those guys killed him. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| There's no way you putting out surveillance footage proves literally anything. | ||
| There were people who took his body out. | ||
| Okay, he was alive until they went in and then found... | ||
| Again, I'm not saying this is true. | ||
| I'm saying, if you want to release surveillance footage, look, nobody's in there. | ||
| He was asked, is this footage of the cell? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's footage of the surrounding areas where no one goes in or out. | ||
| Okay, so they report that he killed himself, and Epstein's sitting there going, what did you just say? | ||
| I didn't do that! | ||
| Then two paramedics come in, and they go, crack their knuckles and say, looks like a suicide just happened. | ||
| And then the medics bring out this body. | ||
| I'm not saying that literally was what happened. | ||
| My point is, if people don't believe it, releasing the surveillance footage changes nothing. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's okay. | ||
| This is kind of the whole point. | ||
| This is making it less believable that anything else happened than him killing – or that he got killed because it's like – Trump can either do two things. | ||
| You can dissolve the agency or reform the agency. | ||
| So part of reforming it would be fixing its reputation. | ||
| The first thing you'd want to do to fix someone's reputation is release all of the evidence that could exonerate the areas in which people doubt you. | ||
| And the biggest one here is Epstein. | ||
| So what does Trump's administration do? | ||
| They, and I know some information that I don't want to say here, but, you know, they have a very interesting selection process for how they choose influencers to come to the White House to then hold up notebooks. | ||
| Like as if we were like. | ||
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So ridiculous. | |
| And some of these people are very intelligent. | ||
| Some of these people are lawyers. | ||
| And some of them I'd call colleagues or maybe even old friends. | ||
| They smile like they got some sort of like... | ||
| It's like, this is a list of people who were abused as children. | ||
| This is not a, look at what I got. | ||
| America deserves to know if there was a blackmail operation on the elite government officials and celebrities in our nation that are controlling narratives and keeping people subjugated either under our rule, under Israel's rule. | ||
| People want to know, was this Mossad? | ||
| Was it America? | ||
| Was it both? | ||
| Was it another country involved in this? | ||
| And instead, they do that. | ||
| And then to cover it all up. | ||
| Then they go, also, we have a video that doesn't exonerate anything, but I'm whiter than I was two videos ago, Dan Bongino. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| You know what I love is how you get all these people, they're coming out and they're like, you know, rumors in the Beltway that Epstein was working with some Middle Eastern intelligence agency. | ||
| And everyone's like, uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah, come on. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
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The Jordanians. | |
| They're always into that blackmail business. | ||
| I was laughing because during all this going on, did you see that weird 60 Minutes interview with Mossad where they have the guy with his voice changed and he's got the mask on? | ||
| And while people are contemplating this Epstein stuff and we're getting bad PR, Israel decides it's a good idea to put a Mossad agent on American television and goes, this is our entire, the world is our orchestra. | ||
| We write the stories. | ||
| We make up whatever we want. | ||
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That was wild. | |
| We control everything. | ||
| I'm like, this is really bad timing PR. | ||
| Especially with everybody saying that you guys control everything and that maybe the Epstein files, maybe this is related to Israel, to come out and say, we're literally behind everything. | ||
| I feel like something's really off here. | ||
| Does anyone ever feel that? | ||
| It feels like some sort of communication isn't going on well behind the back end? | ||
| Is this on purpose or are they not coordinating? | ||
| Are they just stupid? | ||
| I don't think that they're stupid. | ||
| I think most—well, I mean, actually, I'm not sure I can say that. | ||
| No, I think the way to break it down is it's not that powerful interests, powerful individuals are stupid. | ||
| It's that it's really difficult to manage a large system. | ||
| So you can have 10 ultra-genius multi-billionaires conspiring to do something, but the job has to be handled by regular people. | ||
| So if they want a cargo move from one country to the other, you can get the best of the best special contractors or whatever to do it. | ||
| But down the line, those contractors have got accountants. | ||
| Those kind of like – so you can have the cream of the crop flying the plane and then the dude who worked at the airport failed to fuel it properly or something bad happens maintaining – Why did you do it? | ||
| I thought that's what you wanted me to do. | ||
| Yeah, I thought you wanted me to go on American broadcast television with a scary voice changer and a mask and tell everyone that Israel controls the global narrative. | ||
| To me, when something like that happens, I'm like... | ||
| To put something like that out, while botching the Epstein files, like, can I ask you, Phil, this is a genuine question. | ||
| Why would Pam Bondi, why would Cash, why would Bongino, who are very intelligent individuals, Do something like this unless there was some ulterior motive. | ||
| Because, like, I don't think there's any way I could have even, according to a playbook, botched something like Epstein, which already was doubted. | ||
| We already sat around and thought there was something hidden. | ||
| And then the Trump administration's like, we're going to blow the lid off. | ||
| and then they do this, you're going, We do have breaking news. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Let's jump to this story. | ||
| Literally, this is breaking just in the past hour or so. | ||
| There's a press release from Justice.gov. | ||
| U.S. government employee arrested for attempting to provide classified information to foreign government. | ||
| An IT specialist employed by the Defense Intelligence Agency was arrested for attempting to transmit national defense information to an officer or agent of a foreign government. | ||
| Nathan Villas Lash, 28, of Alexandria, Virginia, was arrested today in Northern Virginia and will make his initial court appearance in the Eastern District of Virginia tomorrow. | ||
| According to court documents, Lash became a civilian employee of the DIA in 2019, where he works with the Insider Threat Division and holds top security clearance. | ||
| In March of 25, the FBI commenced an operation after receiving a tip that an individual now known to be Lash offered to provide classified information to a friendly foreign government. | ||
| In that email, the senator wrote that he did not agree or align with the values of this administration and was therefore willing to share classified information that he had access to, including completed intelligence products, some unprocessed intelligence, and other assorted classified documentation. | ||
| They're going to mention that they implemented an operation at a public park in Northern Virginia where Lash believed he would deposit the classified information for the foreign government to retrieve. | ||
| On or about May 1st, FBI surveillance observed Lash proceed to the specified location and deposit an item. | ||
| Following his departure, the FBI retrieved the item, which was a thumb drive later found to contain messages from Lash and multiple typed documents, each containing information that was portion marked up to the secret or top secret levels. | ||
| The message from Lash indicated that he had chosen to include a decent sample size of classified information to decently demonstrate the range of types of products to which he had access. | ||
| This is Sedition. | ||
| And this is where it's getting particularly worrisome. | ||
| Now, we have some information. | ||
| This is posted by Nick Sorter saying that this is the man. | ||
| I don't know for sure if this is the image of the guy or not, but this is what Nick Sorter has posted. | ||
| He blatantly told these voters he doesn't, quote, agree or align with the values of this administration. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Where are we nationally? | ||
| What is this when you have hyperpolarization to the degree where holdover intelligence, Employees are intentionally giving away American secrets to hurt the Trump administration. | ||
| Is this just standard old sedition that happens? | ||
| Is it something more? | ||
| So I think that there's, if I understand correctly, there are attempts. | ||
| To spy on friendly countries from friendly countries all the time, it's very normal. | ||
| This kind of stuff, though, someone, you know, an actual asset leaking top secret and secret information to a foreign government, even if it is a friendly government, that's exceedingly rare, if I understand correctly. | ||
| Not like I'm some kind of insider that has, you know, inside knowledge, but all the stuff that I've heard, this is... | ||
| It's not very often. | ||
| He was seeking citizenship in this country, which they're claiming was friendly, and the FBI ran the sting operation for about a month. | ||
| He was transcribing pages of classified information and transmitting it. | ||
| Then they had a prearranged location to meet, and I guess they ended up arresting this guy. | ||
| They say a criminal complaint is merely an allegation. | ||
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What should the punishment be for someone who does that? | |
| Like, just losing their job, is that all that happened to this guy? | ||
| No, it's sedition. | ||
| No, that's treason. | ||
| This is sedition. | ||
| Well, no, but I would say, no, you said the punishment. | ||
| I would say, you know, you said should. | ||
| I go, death. | ||
| I mean, honestly, we should not... | ||
| Remember J6, they were trying to try people for sedition. | ||
| But actually doing something that undermines... | ||
| Because when people make decisions to either withhold, give information, manipulate information that itself leads to the suffering or death of Americans or violates our rights or undermines the core tenets of our society. | ||
| The punishments need to be stricter because right now, Trump said he was going to come in with Patel. | ||
| They were going to clean house. | ||
| It would be arrests. | ||
| We were going to actually dissolve entire departments in the FBI, in the intelligence agencies. | ||
| And as of now, we have what? | ||
| A potential 480p video of Epstein coming out? | ||
| We don't have what they promised. | ||
| The issue is the lack of any kind of enforcement at all. | ||
| We need arrests at least. | ||
| So the issue is treason. | ||
| The penalty is like 10 years in prison or death is the range. | ||
| Sedition, I think, is like up to 10 years in prison or something. | ||
| I'm saying, would they even do the death penalty? | ||
| That's my whole point of like, it should be something, but would they even actually kill someone over it? | ||
| They would not. | ||
| I don't think so either. | ||
| But let's clarify. | ||
| Treason is adhering or providing aid to an active enemy in a time of war or conflict. | ||
| Sedition is what this guy did in actively trying to subvert or damage the government internally. | ||
| This is the difference. | ||
| The issue I'm seeing with all of it is you have Democrats that have broken the law and we don't even arrest them. | ||
| Case in point, when Kash Patel, he releases these documents to the GOP and then just the other day Grassley releases them declassified and it turns out that Nellie Orr, wife of Bruce Orr, heavily involved in the Russiagate hoax, was found by the FBI to have lied to Congress and appears to have committed multiple felonies. | ||
| They said she outright did. | ||
| No prosecution under Bill Barr. | ||
| They don't even give them a slap on the wrist. | ||
| They don't even give them a $50 ticket. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| They've arrested. | ||
| So I will say this. | ||
| Kash Patel and Dan Bongino have talked about how they found new documents. | ||
| They've released these things. | ||
| It appears like Comey's FBI was trying to hide this stuff. | ||
| This guy was clearly anti-Trump and still is. | ||
| This arrest is just the beginning. | ||
| They're releasing these documents on Nellie Orr, hopefully just the beginning, and we begin to see arrests. | ||
| and legitimate criminal indictments and prison time. | ||
| But do you legitimately think that's going to happen? | ||
| Well, I would say there's a decent probability right now based on the fact that they literally announced they arrested an intelligence officer who was leaking information or trying to, and they published documents implicating Nellie Orr. | ||
| So... | ||
| This is a great start a few months in to Cash and Dan's tenure at the FBI. | ||
| I'm not going to sit here and claim I feel with 100% confidence they're going to do it. | ||
| I'm skeptical. | ||
| But so far, indications are good. | ||
| After, what, two and a half months or whatever? | ||
| How long has Cash and Dan been in? | ||
| We are seeing the release of documents. | ||
| Did you see what Cash Patel said to, who was it, Brett Baer? | ||
| Comey is responsible for the largest criminal conspiracy in this country. | ||
| You can't just say that as the head of the FBI. | ||
| That's a bold statement. | ||
| Cash, I think he's out for some real retribution and accountability. | ||
| I hope he gets it. | ||
| I hope we get it. | ||
| So this is technically espionage, by the definition, and the punishment for... | ||
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Let's go! | |
| But hold on. | ||
| And Donald Trump did reinstate the death penalty federally. | ||
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The federal death penalty hit, baby. | |
| I can't see the future, but it's possible. | ||
| Like if he's found, you know, if he's found guilty and, and. | ||
| No, no, hold on. | ||
| I can see the future. | ||
| It'd be super cool if I can see the future. | ||
| I don't believe you're correct. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I don't believe you're correct in the literal codified – I'm pretty sure this is going to require adherence to an enemy in a time of war. | ||
| For espionage? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, for treason and for sedition, treason is to help an enemy in a time of war. | ||
| Sedition is to try to overthrow the government. | ||
| But espionage is to, let's see, the punishment for espionage. | ||
| Not the punishment. | ||
| Under 18 U.S.C. | ||
| Chapter 37, anyone who communicates, delivers, or transmits information related to the national defense to a foreign entity can be punished by death or imprisonment for any term of years or for life. | ||
| So, I'm not exactly sure the products that he was... | ||
| I'm confused. | ||
| Under the Espionage Act, it has to be national defense information, which is a question we have about what this guy is being charged with. | ||
| This is important. | ||
| Let me check to see if they're announcing what the charge is. | ||
| Just classified documents to a foreign country. | ||
| They don't mention whether it's national security information. | ||
| But I think you can argue that all classified information would be national security information. | ||
| That's what's classified. | ||
| So it is gathering or delivering defense information to aid foreign governments. | ||
| 18 U.S. Code, Chapter 37, espionage and censorship. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| Whoever with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation communicates, delivers, or transmits or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit to any foreign government or to any faction or party or military or naval force of a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the U.S., or to any representative, officer, agent, employee, subject, or citizen thereof, either directly or indirectly, any document, writing, code, book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic native, blueprint, plan, map, model, note, instrument, appliance, or information related to the national defense. | ||
| shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term or of years or for life, except that the sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the jury, or if there is no jury, the court, further finds that the offense resulted in the identification by a foreign power of, Let's see. | ||
| There's a parenthesis. | ||
| Okay, as defined in Section 010A of the Foreign Intelligence Act, it says... | ||
| Further finds the offense resulted in identification by a foreign power of an individual acting as an agent of the United States and consequently in the death of that individual or directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning system or other means of defense or retaliation against large scale attacks, war plans, communications, intelligence or cryptographic information or any other major weapon system or major element of defense strategy. | ||
| So the reason why I said – so I'm going to split the baby on this one. | ||
| You were correct largely in the general – this is espionage. | ||
| You were right. | ||
| But the reason why I thought that was not correct is because the death penalty is almost exclusive – like entirely in law when you aid and abet a foreign adversary. | ||
| So the fact that it says whether you're giving away nuclear war plans, means of early warning systems or – Giving information related to an agent of America who dies. | ||
| These are very extreme and specific cases where someone will get the death penalty. | ||
| So this doesn't appear to be that. | ||
| No, they have the option of imprisonment for any term of years or for life. | ||
| So it's not necessarily that they're going to seek the death penalty. | ||
| It's an option. | ||
| It is a capital offense. | ||
| And they may make the argument, depending on what this information is. | ||
| So, it's not out of the question. | ||
| Yeah, but my question is this. | ||
| Okay, you see Trump being stonewalled by these liberal judges all across the country with every move he makes, right? | ||
| Even Elon Musk resigns from government work because his doge cuts wouldn't be codified. | ||
| His time was up as well. | ||
| He's only 130 days. | ||
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Okay, yeah, yeah. | |
| But I'm saying he left, let's just say, without having codifying his cuts into law because Republicans worked against him. | ||
| In the end, the machine keeps winning. | ||
| Okay, so we know Trump had a first term. | ||
| He said he was going to drain the swamp. | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| He had his second term, used to not be able to say that it was a rigged election. | ||
| Now you can say maybe it was. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| He lost. | ||
| Whether it was fair or not, he lost. | ||
| Now he has his third term, he wins. | ||
| You're seeing there's the deep state undermining in the FBI. | ||
| When, and I say this to Trump, to Bongino, when are people going to realize playing nice with these guys, trying to do the bare minimum is going to impact this country? | ||
| If you don't make an example of some of these people, they raided your house, Trump. | ||
| They went and raided your home over papers. | ||
| You've got to go extreme mode on these guys. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Arrest them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Put them in jail. | ||
| Find out what the maximum penalty is. | ||
| Tell the public we are going to explore the harshest penalties under legal written word. | ||
| And whatever that is, we are going to slam the law down and we're going to lay down the book. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Anybody else that's going to do this, we are going to come after you. | ||
| And then we're going to, as Congress, try to rewrite some of our laws so that we can handle this treason in our government. | ||
| So I want to be legally careful. | ||
| treason is adhering to an enemy. | ||
| Right now we have a corrupt government. | ||
| We have to clean up the government. | ||
| My point is not that we shouldn't have harsh penalties. | ||
| It's that treason is defined as adhering to an enemy in a time of war. | ||
| And a lot of people say they're traitors, but traitors to who? | ||
| It's a seditious conspiracy, which is – It's just different, right? | ||
| The submission should be met with death, too. | ||
| My point is that these people are getting away with it because they can. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| You've told them there's not a lot of penalties. | ||
| It's the same thing that happens with these cashless bail laws or whatever that happens in New York or whatever. | ||
| If you start letting criminals go, or in California, if you stop penalizing people for shoplifting, shoplifting increases. | ||
| Unfortunately, criminals are going to be criminals. | ||
| So when you tell real criminals in our government, you know... | ||
| It not only tells people that it's not a very serious crime, but why even spend time going after these people if you're in the government or trying to clean it up? | ||
| They don't get punished. | ||
| I don't think the death penalty is a deterrent for these people. | ||
| Let's see them executed on live TV by the state and see if people start. | ||
| This is, look, with all due respect, I think that's an emotional request that doesn't actually strike at the core of what's wrong with this country. | ||
| They revel in their arrests. | ||
| They revel in their punishment. | ||
| Many of these people are nihilists who—that's their path to immortality, martyrdom. | ||
| They would seek that intentionally. | ||
| I don't think that actually deals the issue. | ||
| There's actually a simple solution. | ||
| We arrest them under existing codified law and put them away, and they can't run again. | ||
| They're out of the system. | ||
| They're no longer in politics. | ||
| Case closed. | ||
| If you give them a path towards martyrdom, many of these younger people, they intentionally seek out these circumstances. | ||
| So you have to be careful about—I'll put it this way. | ||
| Do you know why the deep state doesn't assassinate people anymore? | ||
| You don't think they assassinate people anymore? | ||
| Sometimes, but not as often as they used to. | ||
| Okay, why? | ||
| Because it creates—it immortalizes their ideology. | ||
| And so they go for—what the intelligence agencies try to do now is character assassination. | ||
| Really great example is Julian Assange. | ||
| What did they do to Julian Assange? | ||
| Hillary Clinton said, can't we drone this guy? | ||
| They didn't. | ||
| They accused him of rape, which was a lie. | ||
| He wasn't even charged with it. | ||
| And they ran stories throughout the press that he was a molester and rapist trying to destroy his legacy. | ||
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Who else do you think they're doing that to? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, they accused Trump of being a rapist. | ||
| They fabricated a fake case against him. | ||
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What about Andrew Tate? | |
| Do you think they're doing that to him, or do you think that's true? | ||
| Andrew Tate admitted to saying a lot of things that he said and doing a lot of things that he's done. | ||
| Not that every claim they've made against him is true, but the dude was basically like a digital online, what, pimp, I guess? | ||
| Yeah, and that's not illegal, though. | ||
| And I would like to see him like that, too, for just being a little bitch. | ||
| The Andrew Tate thing is a sharp contrast from Donald Trump. | ||
| Like, Andrew Tate, who actually was, I guess, I don't know, was a digital pimp. | ||
| Like, he was running these women's social media accounts. | ||
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Yeah, but they're charging him with rape. | |
| My point is, I literally don't care. | ||
| Like, Andrew Tate is meaningless. | ||
| Donald Trump is the president, and they falsely accuse him of rape. | ||
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No, but we're having a conversation about the deep state using lawfare against people. | |
| Sabotaging their reputation to come after them. | ||
| And what significance is Andrew Tate in terms of our existing government structure? | ||
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He has political influence. | |
| He's woken up young men. | ||
| Like, I would say young men are feeling boldened to fight the gynocracy because of Andrew Tate clips on TikTok and on Snapchat and Instagram. | ||
| And I think that you see the UK creating entire curriculum in their schools to try to fight the taterization, they call it, of their youth. | ||
| Young men who are becoming misogynistic, they want to keep men docile, right? | ||
| They fight against their testosterone levels. | ||
| They don't want you realizing that the world wasn't always run by the vagina, right? | ||
| They don't want you to know that. | ||
| So with Tate, again, I do think this lawfare, and I don't want to talk about him too much, Maybe there's even some gray areas where it's like, hey, maybe that was something non-consensual. | ||
| But they don't come after you or they don't put the law down on you until they see you as a threat. | ||
| So they all have skeletons in their closet. | ||
| They only enforce the law when you come against their system. | ||
| Russell Brand is also another point. | ||
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Conor McGregor. | |
| The issue with Andrew Tate, in my opinion, is that This one's not as easy to point out as they're clearly lying, like Julian Assange. | ||
| Julian Assange running WikiLeaks, exposing the U.S. Apache helicopter blowing up journalists in the Middle East. | ||
| How do we deal with this guy? | ||
| Hillary Clinton said, can we drone him? | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| He's in London. | ||
| So what do they do? | ||
| They create some ludicrous story about him. | ||
| I think the story was that he was with the woman the condom broke. | ||
| She wanted him to get an STD test, and so the media ran a story. | ||
| He raped her, which is just never the case. | ||
| If they actually tried to stop him from doing his job, they'd immortalize him. | ||
| They'd create 10,000 new Julian Assange's. | ||
| And they learned that throughout the history of the assassinations they took in the modern era. | ||
| We'll just leave it at that. | ||
| Today, look what they do to Trump. | ||
| They did a little bit. | ||
| I mean, I don't know who tried to kill Donald Trump. | ||
| The first time. | ||
| But Dan Bongino saying there's no there there, I don't find credible at all. | ||
| But just to wrap it up, because we do have to jump to the next story. | ||
| My point is largely, character assassination is the main play they take now, because death is not a deterrent for people seeking immortality. | ||
| But isn't that what they do with anyone? | ||
| Even Nick Fuentes, I feel like I see a lot of people making a lot of really ludicrous claims about his character, or he's gay, or that whole Destiny, he sucked Destiny's dick thing, or whatever. | ||
| Destiny. | ||
| Or, yeah, but that's false. | ||
| And it's like, that was all going on. | ||
| I'm going, what is the relevance of this? | ||
| And it's like, well, you just don't like what he's saying about women or about Israel. | ||
| And so you're kind of like calling him gay, which is like a high school thing. | ||
| It's like, oh, well, you're gay or whatever. | ||
| Because they're targeting young men. | ||
| Well, yeah, but I was like, I mean, he's a good example. | ||
| a lot of these people, whether you agree with them or not, I know you guys don't necessarily get along where you guys are neutral, but it's like, I do start to wonder, I don't have any ties to Russell. | ||
| Even with Tate, I kind of think a lot of what he did Like, you know, just because I disagree with you or I think you've made some immoral choices or maybe, you know, you might be more extreme than me. | ||
| I feel like we've got to start defending more people, and what we're seeing is that these character assassinations don't work. | ||
| Tate still has his following and is still popular. | ||
| Fuentes isn't going anywhere, despite what they say about him. | ||
| I don't know if that whole plan that they had works anymore, because everyone's just like, look, we've heard it all before. | ||
| If you fight the system, they're going to make accusations. | ||
| It's all over. | ||
| This is my point. | ||
| When a thought leader in some capacity is killed, then you create a legacy and you immortalize them. | ||
| Who was it? | ||
| Was it Aristotle? | ||
| Who's the guy who ate the berries? | ||
| They were like, pay a fine or die. | ||
| And he was like, I'll die. | ||
| Socrates. | ||
| Socrates. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, he was like, I'll take immortality. | ||
| I'll die. | ||
| And they were like, oh, crap. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, so, you know, my point is, the first thing that needs to happen before anybody jumps to change the law, Congress needs to take action, because that's never going to happen, is, hey, it's already illegal. | ||
| Let's just enforce the law that we have on the books right now that's been neglected by Republicans for a decade. | ||
| And then I think we're starting to see that door open. | ||
| I understand the frustration that you're articulating, Elijah. | ||
| There is a lot of people that are like, look, we want to see these things to happen. | ||
| We want to see this. | ||
| But we talked about this or have spoken about this multiple times on the show. | ||
| They have to have all of their ducks in a row if they're going to arrest people, because any kind of inconsistency, any way that anybody that gets arrested can possibly produce So they have to have the best case imaginable. | ||
| So if it takes a little extra time for them to produce the most solid case possible, I'm okay with it. | ||
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Do you actually think it will happen, though? | |
| Do I think that people will get arrested? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know that I think one way or the other. | ||
| I mean, I can tell you what I hope for and what I want, but I don't get... | ||
| I don't feel like I can do that at all. | ||
| I do want to see people get arrested. | ||
| I would love to see a whole boatload of people thrown in jail, but I don't have a sense as to what will happen. | ||
| and I'm effing old. | ||
| Let's jump to this next story. | ||
| We got this one from CNBC. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, Trump wins. | ||
| Trump tariffs reinstated by appeals court for now. | ||
| How about the headline, Trump's tariffs frozen by lower court for now? | ||
| You see, they don't do that, right? | ||
| When Trump had his tariffs frozen by the International Trade Court, that's the headline. | ||
| Trump's tariffs frozen. | ||
| When the appeals court says, nah, they write, for now. | ||
| because you can see the direction of their bias. | ||
| They say the federal appeals court on Thursday granted The Trump admin had earlier told the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit that it would seek emergency relief from the Supreme Court as soon as Friday if the tariff ruling was not quickly put on pause. | ||
| The judgment issued Wednesday night by the U.S. Court of International Trade is temporarily stayed until further notice while this court considers the motions papers. | ||
| The pause gives the Trump administration some breathing room as it prepares to argue that the trade court's ruling should be halted for the duration of the appeals process. | ||
| Trump officials maintain that they have other options for imposing tariffs, even if they do not prevail in the case. | ||
| Quote, even if we lose, we will do it another way, Trump trade advisor Peter Navarro told reporters at the White House on Thursday afternoon. | ||
| So these have already been taking effect. | ||
| There was one big story I can speak to in the skate industry where professional athletes were losing their sponsorships because shoe companies are going out of business. | ||
| We don't make shoes here in the United States anymore. | ||
| So I don't know how you guys feel about this. | ||
| You pro-tariff, anti-tariff? | ||
| Well, I think the tariffs are necessary. | ||
| Like, I don't know if there was any way that we could put pressure on foreign governments, especially like you look at Australia or a lot of these small countries. | ||
| They're absolutely taking advantage of the United States. | ||
| And I don't want to make Canada a 51st state because, well, we have enough Indians in our country, so we don't need an Indian state. | ||
| But I will say, that's a joke. | ||
| But, you know, it's got its own problems. | ||
| It does. | ||
| Look at Brampton. | ||
| But at the same time, it's like the tariffs themselves are a temporary pain. | ||
| That we must endure in order to recover a lot of our discrepancies in the trade war. | ||
| So I don't know anyone with a mind, either left or the right, that are against these that actually understand economics. | ||
| I never met someone that was like, even lefties that I know, unless they're like deranged lefties, but they're like, Well, like, yeah, lefties I know, well, yeah, but the ones that are well-educated, that actually are actual engineers, not the engineers that we're importing, but the actual engineers, thought leaders in their fields are like, you know, this is pretty unbalanced, what's been happening, especially with some of these smaller Western countries. | ||
| We're providing their military aid, their support. | ||
| We're spending so much of our own money, unrealized payments that's not even included in just the money we're losing in the trade deficit. | ||
| But maybe Americans should wake up too. | ||
| Maybe we shouldn't have shipped all of our production, our processing, and our development to every other country. | ||
| Like maybe it wasn't a good idea that everything's made outside of our country. | ||
| Like maybe people need to realize that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean that's true, but I don't – I'm not sure that there's going to be a great onshoring, right? | ||
| Like the cost of doing, you know, making, you know, Here in the United States, the cost of living, you have to pay people significantly more to make whatever it is that you're making. | ||
| Whereas in India, you have so many, you know, there's one point whatever billion people in India, so they'll work for significantly less. | ||
| They have a way lower standard of living. | ||
| The cost of living over there is significantly less, so you can get away with it. | ||
| So I don't imagine that the tariffs are going to incentivize a massive onshore. | ||
| There will be some companies that open new production facilities, but I don't think that it's going to be some kind of big getting all the jobs back the way that some people seem to have hopes for. | ||
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Shouldn't we try, though? | |
| I'm certainly not against the idea of trying to. | ||
| I mean, I would like to see more effort put into deregulation and more effort into controlling unions, because I think those two things would be better to incentivize production of products here in the U.S. I think that getting rid of EPA laws, getting rid of, you know... | ||
| So yeah, I'm totally on board with your point. | ||
| I just don't think that the tariffs are going to do what Yep. | ||
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Like we're not able to think We only think in terms of an election cycle. | |
| So that's why we never really progress in any meaningful way. | ||
| That's the exact reason why we have the national debt that we do. | ||
| You know, the 36 or whatever now trillion dollar debt that we have and that's looming. | ||
| And you see the results in the bond market last week. | ||
| The bond sales was really, really soft. | ||
| These things are coming, and they're not getting fixed by any... | ||
| If it doesn't happen during my administration, then it's fine. | ||
| When in reality, it's all of the administrations that have done nothing in the past 40 or whatever years. | ||
| It's the Uniparty. | ||
| They love shipping jobs. | ||
| Like genuinely, we will not see a full economic recovery unless we do three things. | ||
| I believe we have to punish companies who are Like, hey, you want to do this, we're going to make it cost the same as doing it here, or cost more. | ||
| Basically, there has to be a punishment for companies, because this is this whole crony capitalism thing. | ||
| When capitalism doesn't benefit the country, then I'm going to sound like a far lefty here, but when you start just benefiting a few billionaires, a few families, like when you see the, we talked about it last time I was here, like the Walton family, or when you see people offering you the cheapest products, everything's foreign, you pay your employees nothing, and you're ranking in $40, $50 billion each a year. | ||
| You've got to ask yourself the question, do we want a country where the economy helps a select few? | ||
| Not only is that bad for us in general, that also leads to the rise in far-left communist ideas. | ||
| It actually starts leading into a far-left push in young people who realize, what's the solution to this? | ||
| Oh, communism. | ||
| Let's take back the means of production. | ||
| So I think it's dangerous. | ||
| We have to punish companies. | ||
| Two, we've got to get rid of some of these trade agreements. | ||
| We need to not make it easier to ship jobs overseas. | ||
| It shouldn't be so easy. | ||
| And three, we've got to put a stop to legal immigration. | ||
| Like, you cannot... | ||
| Like, I remind people, I have a personal vendetta against... | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| They almost killed me. | ||
| I literally had like a mini heart attack from medication they gave me and I went to the hospital and they told me it was a lethal amount of opiates when I broke my foot and I wasn't supposed to be on opiates and it was a lethal amount and they were surprised I didn't die. | ||
| and it was an Indian who Australia led into Australia, and then I looked up and I found out they weren't holding Australian doctors to have the same credentialing and the bar licensing as the Australian doctors. | ||
| I almost died. | ||
| Medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in the United States. | ||
| After what? | ||
| Heart disease is number one. | ||
| Medical malpractice? | ||
| Yeah, but that was avoidable. | ||
| Disease and cancer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think the important thing to understand, though, is that heart disease is typically just age. | ||
| So when we say people die of heart disease, it's like, yes, when they're very old, your heart disease is out. | ||
| Same thing with cancer as well. | ||
| Right, and so that means that the actual first cause of human death is malpractice. | ||
| Probably, yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
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That is wild. | |
| And there are people that, there was someone that I was talking to on the internet the other day, and they were saying, oh, you know, what we should do is we should make sure that people can afford medical school and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I'm like, no, I don't want more people going to medical school. | ||
| Right now, it's the third leading cause of death. | ||
| I want the best people going to medical school. | ||
| I don't want it to be easier to get into medical school. | ||
| I want it to be harder to get into medical school, so that way the people that are graduating medical school are actually qualified. | ||
| Don't make it easier. | ||
| Don't give people more money. | ||
| F that. | ||
| That's a terrible idea. | ||
| That will end up with more people dying. | ||
| Stop calling it practice. | ||
| I hate that it's called medical practice. | ||
| Like, please don't practice on me. | ||
| Don't get that shit down! | ||
| Yeah, it's like, can we call it medical professionalism or expertise, maybe? | ||
| It's like, oh, I'm just a test subject. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I think this comes up quite a bit in all of these stories, but a lot of this news feels like stamp collecting in that it's immaterial to the bigger problem we're facing, infertility. | ||
| And so I'm just bringing this up in terms of talking about the immigration, why they're bringing all these people in is because they know that our labor force is going to collapse. | ||
| And it's because people don't have kids. | ||
| And without human beings to maintain the labor force, you're going to have 0% unemployment. | ||
| And that's not a good thing. | ||
| Because people think unemployment means people are down on their luck. | ||
| Unemployment just means people could be between jobs. | ||
| So that means there's flexibility in the labor market. | ||
| Let's say you're an IT guy at a company. | ||
| You've got a savings. | ||
| You're like, I need to do something more. | ||
| I'm not making enough money for my family. | ||
| I'm going to go start looking for work. | ||
| You end up leaving the job. | ||
| It's not working out as well, but you're on a savings. | ||
| You're not destitute. | ||
| You've got a family. | ||
| And for three months, you're unemployed. | ||
| That's flexibility that allows companies to find available talent. | ||
| Zero percent means there's zero growth. | ||
| Everybody's struggling. | ||
| And it's not actually going to be zero percent. | ||
| It's going to be negative. | ||
| Businesses are going to be completely – there's not going to be enough people for the companies that want to operate. | ||
| And so they're going to start shrinking and collapsing. | ||
| Then we're going to see technology start breaking apart. | ||
| You need a population size directly relates to the scale of technology. | ||
| And so in the next 10, 15, 20 years, we're going to be dealing with the complete economic collapse of the global financial system. | ||
| And I don't see how they keep it patched together. | ||
| Perhaps they can. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not a global economist or whatever. | ||
| But based on the fact that every nation... | ||
| These tariffs are stamp collecting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| None of it's going to matter when you're not going to have the people to drive the boats to transport the cargo in the first place. | ||
| Nobody's going to be—they're going to be like, hey, we want to make—you know what? | ||
| I went to a Dollar Tree, and they had these foam footballs. | ||
| You ever see those dollar foam footballs that playgrounds have? | ||
| And I'm just thinking, like, there's this big bin of them and they're all buck each. | ||
| And I'm just thinking, man, there's a factory out there somewhere mass producing these useless things that nobody wants. | ||
| But it's so cheap, nobody cares. | ||
| Those won't exist. | ||
| Because people are going to be like, hey, here are the jobs that we have available. | ||
| Fishermen. | ||
| And you're going to be like, I guess that's the job I'm doing because I have to eat food. | ||
| We need coal. | ||
| We need oil. | ||
| We need lumber. | ||
| We need bricks. | ||
| Nobody wants your stupid foam football. | ||
| So all of these ancillary luxury is gone. | ||
| And then a lot of the garbage that's made by China won't matter anyway. | ||
| These tariffs aren't going to matter. | ||
| I think the reason why Trump is doing – the reason Trump is doing all this stuff now, obviously, when this collapse starts happening, if we do not have a basic manufacturing base for our core essentials, we are fucked. | ||
| There's none. | ||
| The problem was 20 years ago. | ||
| I think they said during the 2007-2008 crash, one of the experts came out and said, 20 years from now, there is going to be, or 18 years from now, there will be a deficit. | ||
| in 18-year-olds entering the job force and entering universities, which is going to cause a financial crisis because this wave is going to hit the universities who will face a budget shortfall. | ||
| Companies won't have talent to onboard, so there's going to be no entry-level jobs. | ||
| What did we get? | ||
| Democrats said, open the doors and let literally everybody in the country. | ||
| That was their, it's not a solution. | ||
| It actually kind of makes it worse. | ||
| It does. | ||
| You can't flood the country with low-skill labor because you're not training high-skill labor. | ||
| And so these Democrat blank slaters literally thought if you give a degree to an immigrant, they're now an expert. | ||
| I was like, yeah, that was never the case. | ||
| So what happens is, let's say you have this labor tree of very few high-skill labor, and at the bottom you have 60% low-skill labor, 30% medium-skill labor, and 10% high-skill labor. | ||
| They said, OK, we're facing a massive deficit in the younger generation. | ||
| Flood the country with low skill labor. | ||
| Now it's impossible for American young people to get the jobs they need to start their careers, build their wealth and become high level experts. | ||
| So the country will eventually just be a slum if that's the path we go down. | ||
| The inverse is we don't have the labor force and our manufacturing is in China. | ||
| I think Trump's plan is basically, this is going to happen no matter what. | ||
| You can tell everybody in the world to have babies right now. | ||
| And it'll take 20 years for that impact. | ||
| So as of right now, what do we do for the next five years? | ||
| Get our manufacturing back ASAP through emergency tariffs. | ||
| That's not what they're doing, though. | ||
| They're just importing the third world. | ||
| That's what Democrats were doing. | ||
| Trump's stopping them. | ||
| It's not just Democrats. | ||
| I mean, look at Australia. | ||
| Look at New Zealand. | ||
| I mean, they're just importing Indians, literally. | ||
| This is the Western liberalism. | ||
| I'm saying, in the United States, Trump is not that. | ||
| So we can talk about Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and all those other countries. | ||
| Yeah, America was doing it too. | ||
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Did Trump not come out in support of the H-1B visas recently? | |
| He did. | ||
| So how is he not doing it? | ||
| There's a big difference between H-1B visas and opening the door to 20 million illegal immigrants in four years. | ||
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I mean, there's a difference, but it's still contributing to the problem. | |
| I disagree. | ||
| I think the problem is low fertility and an excess of low-skilled labor. | ||
| Now, the problem is the exploitation of H-1Bs. | ||
| If H-1Bs were actually mid-to-high-level talent, then it would be largely okay, depending on the level of visas they're giving out. | ||
| The issue is that, dude, a bunch of these companies are giving out H-1Bs for like cashiers and it's a clear exploitation. | ||
| So fundamentally, H-1Bs. | ||
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And I mean, there's plenty of young men who got these computer science degrees and they try to get a job in the tech industry. | |
| And like they're having to compete with Indians who don't even they're not even American at all. | ||
| I think there is something to be said for. | ||
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So it's the high school jobs, too. | |
| I think we had talked about this before. | ||
| Elon Musk complained that Americans are bad workers, that these young men suck, they're lazy, they're entitled. | ||
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Yeah, so Vivek, too. | |
| And I think we were talking about this. | ||
| That was Vivek Banley, who said that we were like the generation of TV-binging, pep rally-going losers. | ||
| And he's right. | ||
| And my point was, so what? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Hold on, hold on, hold on. | ||
| I gotta finish the point. | ||
| He is correct. | ||
| Millennials are lazy and- Entitled losers. | ||
| Not every single one. | ||
| The point is, so what? | ||
| If you don't hire them and start forcing them into this system, we will never recover. | ||
| When you break your leg, you don't go, I'm not going to walk because my leg's broken. | ||
| We have the worst legs. | ||
| Someone should carry me. | ||
| No, you go to physical therapy and start struggling to walk and you get a cane and you get a cast or you get a wheelchair and then you start to rebuild your strength so you can walk again. | ||
| We have a crummy generation. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| Gen Z and millennials are largely entitled and lazy. | ||
| But if we don't force them and start doing that physical therapy, that labor therapy to get them back into the mentality of meritocracy, we just collapse. | ||
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No, but it's just based on this lie, though. | |
| Corporations aren't not hiring Gen Z men because they're lazy. | ||
| They're not hiring them because they can pay Indians less and treat them worse. | ||
| That coincides with laziness. | ||
| What? | ||
| it coincides. | ||
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It's because Americans actually have standards. | |
| And we should, as we should. | ||
| And so if... | ||
| See, that's communism. | ||
| The idea that some young person is going, I don't want to work for so little, so I won't work at all. | ||
| Okay, bye. | ||
| Get out. | ||
| No, but this international competition, They want money that the companies aren't paying because they can pay immigrants cheaper. | ||
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No, maybe you just want to be able to afford a home. | |
| So you should be able to get paid more. | ||
| The cost of living is high. | ||
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That's not communism because the government isn't forcing the corporations to pay more. | |
| I'm saying the idea that young people should not have to work because they're not getting paid enough is silly. | ||
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I'm not saying that they shouldn't have to work. | |
| Gen Z should take a job at a lower pay. | ||
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Why? | |
| Because you have to work to make money and you don't get things for free. | ||
| Well, what is the solution to maintain a standard of living then? | ||
| The problem with housing and all of the system is not just one thing. | ||
| So first, obviously, if we get rid of the flood of immigration, wages go up because the corporations are forced to compete with each other. | ||
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That's my point. | |
| So then why do you support the H-1B visas? | ||
| I support a functional immigration system. | ||
| H-1Bs aren't a functional immigration system. | ||
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So you don't support H-1B visas? | |
| No, no. | ||
| See, this is a semantic issue. | ||
| I support the idea that we brain drain other countries and provide visas for mid- to high-skill labor. | ||
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They're not that smart. | |
| It's not brain draining them. | ||
| There's plenty of smart Americans that should be given. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| No, it isn't. | ||
| I'm saying if we are intentionally going to insert any country and taking literally their high-skill labor, you saying, but we're not doing that, we're in agreement on that. | ||
| H-1B is broken. | ||
| But no, this is a very modern interpretation of immigration past 1960. | ||
| There's two things wrong with this. | ||
| Number one, if you claim that you're trying to make the world a better place for that Gen Z is illegal, I mean, sorry, lazy, and that we should bring in or ship out these illegals, bring in legal immigrants because that's the solution. | ||
| Because Gen Z is just lazy. | ||
| No one's arguing that. | ||
| No, people are saying that. | ||
| Who argued that? | ||
| Well, you're saying they're lazy. | ||
| These are good replacements because Gen Z won't work for the low wages. | ||
| And millennials. | ||
| We'll work for those wages. | ||
| See, this is a mistake you're making. | ||
| It is a fact that Gen Z and millennials are entitled and lazy. | ||
| And as a generality, not every single one of them. | ||
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I think so. | |
| A lot of them are moving towards the right. | ||
| And I think anybody saying otherwise is trying to pander to Gen Z for the audience. | ||
| No, but look, that's actually not the case. | ||
| I'm trying to say this. | ||
| When you have the Trump administration, it is multifaceted like you said. | ||
| So if we actually wanted to fix the problems in our country, one of the things we could do is limit corporate buyout of single-family dwellings and homes, which then could maybe fix a little bit of the housing crisis. | ||
| When you look at the fact that right now the cost of living has gone up exponentially, it is no longer even in the dream. | ||
| There's no American dream to own a home. | ||
| People have given up on that entirely. | ||
| And then you say, "Hey, look." I know you can't buy a home. | ||
| I know that there's a, you know, you can't afford a family because it's so expensive to live now. | ||
| And so the reason why you don't have any drive and desire to add to the American system is because you're lazy or you're entitled to Gen Z and millennials. | ||
| It's like, well, you said they're lazy and entitled. | ||
| I'm saying they're not lazy and entitled. | ||
| And then you added a whole bunch of things I never said. | ||
| No, I'm saying they're disillusioned because you're stripping away the American gnosis, the way of living what our parents knew was an opportunity and an ability to acquire. | ||
| So you have every generation being able to have a family, to have purpose, to have kids, to own a home, to have a stake in the country becomes it's a diminishing return and it's less and less likely. | ||
| So people don't know what to do. | ||
| And then you say the only way to actually make enough money is. | ||
| Excuses. | ||
| There's not a lot of natural ways to make enough money to live here. | ||
| Let me tell you about the American founding fathers who got on a boat, and then 20% of them died on the boat, and they landed on a barren shore with no food or water, and then starved to death. | ||
| So, this is my issue. | ||
| The modern view of the world. | ||
| From young people is that I should be able to have all of these things. | ||
| They should be normal for me. | ||
| Now, don't get me wrong. | ||
| The people who came before us worked so that we would all have better lives, but there's no guarantee that's ever the case. | ||
| So I implore each and every person who thinks they're not lazy to strip off all your clothes and go stand in the middle of the woods and talk about starting from nothing. | ||
| We live in a country of extreme wealth and opportunity. | ||
| And the idea that I can't figure it out is is. | ||
| Sure, you can call it disillusionment. | ||
| I call it the... | ||
| I'm saying there is a large portion of Gen Z and millennials who literally don't want to do any job. | ||
| They're neats. | ||
| They live at home. | ||
| Their parents pay their bills. | ||
| They're playing video games all day. | ||
| and there's fem cells now. | ||
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And the only fans women What? | |
| Femcels? | ||
| You're not familiar with them cells? | ||
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Well, I know what that is, but who's... | |
| That there are women who are isolating themselves and living by themselves in their parents' houses? | ||
| It's called feminism. | ||
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Does that not imply that it's women who aren't able to get sex? | |
| I don't know if that's the exact way you would break down femcel because there's a dynamic between men and women in terms of sex. | ||
| But there are young women who are locking themselves in their rooms, not going out, not doing anything. | ||
| It's happening too. | ||
| And it's happening more to men because women have the ability to go to older men and get these things. | ||
| My point is, we have a generation of people, even as you're describing it, this idea that I'm owed a house. | ||
| Well, to be fair, our ancestors did build a nation so that we would be able to have these houses. | ||
| But I also think sometimes empires crumble, and there were bad stewards of this nation, particularly in the Democrats, but largely with the Uniparty and the Republicans, that have created a circumstance where everything is trashed right now. | ||
| What's the answer? | ||
| The answer is, be a man and grind your fingers to the bone and realize what it means when life sucks. | ||
| Instead of, I'm not gonna work at all, I'm gonna stay at home and play video games all day, my parents are gonna pay my bills. | ||
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I'm not! | |
| I don't think I'm advocating for them to stay home and be a femcel or incel or whatever, but the point is that they shouldn't have to compete with Indians for jobs. | ||
| We shouldn't have to compete. | ||
| Like, there's plenty of smart, talented young men who want to work hard. | ||
| Who's arguing this? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
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That's what H-1B visas are! | |
| So, we completely agree the H-1B system is broken. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
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Did you not say that you're in support of it to some extent and you're just saying the system is broken but it shouldn't even exist at all? | |
| I don't think you understand what H-1B is. | ||
| I think you're talking about the modern colloquial broken immigration system and interpreting any kind of brain-drained immigration as our broken immigration system. | ||
| I'm arguing for a policy function and you're angry about a current state of affairs. | ||
| We agree on that. | ||
| There's no arguing. | ||
| Tim, wouldn't the brain drain immigration be O-1 visas, not H-1B visas, because those are for extraordinary talent? | ||
| Extraordinary talent is the high end. | ||
| H-1B is supposed to be mid to high end. | ||
| And my point is, we want to take away the economic capabilities of any other nation that we can. | ||
| The problem is, in this country, they— Why would we want to import people who are not like us, who don't share our culture, because they can pass a math test? | ||
| Who said that? | ||
| You said we want to brain drain them. | ||
| We want their people. | ||
| We don't want to. | ||
| Why would we want to just take people? | ||
| I don't even know what you're arguing. | ||
| My argument is I'm saying. | ||
| Who said anything about people who don't like our culture? | ||
| These people that we're bringing, these brain draining countries like India, they have a caste system. | ||
| This is not our culture. | ||
| This is an Eastern nation. | ||
| Let me give a shout out to my friend Zuby. | ||
| Do you like Zuby? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Does he agree with our culture? | ||
| Isn't he British? | ||
| He's Nigerian. | ||
| Well, I mean, like, yes, ethnically Nigerian, but isn't he like... | ||
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He hates American culture. | |
| My point is... | ||
| Send them back. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| My point is, there are people from other countries who like America, who believe in the American dream and the American culture, and the point is, we don't want to import 20 million people. | ||
| We want to import 10,000. | ||
| And we want to take the best of the best of everywhere else and absorb that into our wealth and luxury. | ||
| And you guys seem to be saying... | ||
| Well, I'm saying that's a post-1965 mentality. | ||
| That's what's kind of stripping away our culture, our identity. | ||
| These people don't even come here with the American dream in mind per se. | ||
| What's stripping away our culture is importing 20 million people in four years. | ||
| Well that too, but also what I'm trying to say is I think where we're disagreeing is that I'm saying we need to be attacking the system, not the generation. | ||
| You don't agree on that. | ||
| But I'm saying it's a different level of fault. | ||
| I'm saying we, you know, you have like Congresswoman, I'm sure you disagree with this, you know, bringing their babies, like Anna Paulina Luna, these people saying, the key thing to helping the fertility crisis is being allowed to bring our babies on the congressional floor. | ||
| And you're going, okay, stop for a second. | ||
| The real reason why people are not having children is because of two main reasons. | ||
| Cost of living and loss of values, mainly due to feminism. | ||
| Like, women are not of the value today that men want to fight for them or to settle down. | ||
| And women aren't trying to have kids. | ||
| They're chasing careers. | ||
| This is an institutional ideology. | ||
| So what does the Trump administration do? | ||
| They fight anti-Semitism. | ||
| What's the solution? | ||
| Well, they fight anti-Semitism. | ||
| That's not the biggest issue on a college campus. | ||
| There's a 20-year-old guy right now. | ||
| He's out of weight. | ||
| He's overweight. | ||
| He has no job. | ||
| He lives in his parents' house. | ||
| What should he do right now? | ||
| What's your answer for him? | ||
| I will lose weight, first of all. | ||
| Whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| Why should he have to lose weight? | ||
| Because healthcare is expensive and you're going to limit the amount of side effects, comorbidities that you're going to develop if you're in better shape. | ||
| No, it's actually less work. | ||
| You just don't eat. | ||
| I'm saying... | ||
| You and I... | ||
| Well, this is what I'm trying to tell you. | ||
| You and I are coming from a dumb angle because we're one percenter media guys Bull fucking shit. | ||
| No, that's an excuse. | ||
| Very limited amount of people can make the kind of money, and you make way more money than me, and everyone knows that. | ||
| But the pot at the bottom is low. | ||
| Communism. | ||
| The fact that natural means, no, the fact that right now you're saying that the most natural means for the majority of people to earn a decent living, most people are not trying to get wealth, they're just trying to survive. | ||
| So the cost of living is going up, wages are going up, You have no solution. | ||
| I do have a solution. | ||
| I'm saying we do a complete and immediate halt to legal immigration, both skilled and unskilled. | ||
| That's not a solution. | ||
| Why is it not a solution? | ||
| Because a 20-year-old Gen Zer is not going to go to D.C. and bang a gavel and make that happen. | ||
| So what does an entire generation right now, when you are looking in the eyes of a 35-year-old millennial who's like, I can't afford a house, what do you tell him to do right now? | ||
| Go to Congress, bang the gavel, and ban immigration. | ||
| He's going to say, huh? | ||
| There's a system at play that is broken. | ||
| We agree on the macro scale. | ||
| We have a problem with immigration, and there's too much low-scale immigration coming in this country. | ||
| H-1B doesn't even make sense anymore. | ||
| It's completely exploited. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| Okay, first thing is, get a family? | ||
| It's going to be work harder than you've ever had to work, work harder than your parents, work harder than your grandparents, and that's the answer. | ||
| And I'll quote Andrew Tate. | ||
| The rocket ship going to the moon doesn't stop halfway to take a break. | ||
| It keeps going until it burns out and lands. | ||
| I would say exit the system. | ||
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This is so boomer-coded. | |
| No, I would just say exit the system. | ||
| So I'm going to point out this excuse. | ||
| It's not an excuse. | ||
| I didn't make an excuse. | ||
| You said I chose a career that makes a lot of money. | ||
| Bro, you know what my career was? | ||
| Homelessness. | ||
| So what did I do? | ||
| I went out and so I had a job at an airline making $10 an hour and when I couldn't afford to pay my rent and I couldn't afford to buy shoes and my car got repossessed, the little money I had, I bought a $200 guitar and I went and I busked in the subway of Chicago and I made $7 an hour doing that. | ||
| Every day I'd put the money in my bank account and save it up. | ||
| Eventually I started making $30 an hour. | ||
| Then I figured out I could play in front of Wrigley Field. | ||
| This is me partially homeless. | ||
| Sometimes sleeping in parks. | ||
| And I get to hear every day from people who are like, you're so lucky. | ||
| It's because you're lucky that you have, if only I had the money, I can do it too. | ||
| When every story, not every story, but most stories is someone saying, let me put it this way. | ||
| I choose to work 16 hours a day with hours on the weekend, and I got to pay taxes because I choose to work more than most people. | ||
| Meanwhile, there are people who are like, I should only have to work four days a week. | ||
| And that's largely the younger generation advocating for the four-day workweek, and largely it is the younger generation that is socialist, not the boomers, not Gen X. It is millennials, and to a certain degree slightly less than half of Gen Z. So you broke free from the system. | ||
| You found an alternate job. | ||
| My point is saying, like, yes, as a black kid, why could you make more money? | ||
| Are you going to make more money as a software engineer or as an NBA player? | ||
| Well, yeah, probably as an NBA player, but the amount of availability to pay people well to be in the NBA is low. | ||
| So a country has to have what's called a middle class or at least Western standards. | ||
| We want to have a middle class. | ||
| It's obviously not common. | ||
| It hasn't been throughout all of history, but we built up this country with a middle class where we have an availability of a large swath of a job market in different industries where people could make money Nobody disagrees. | ||
| That is shrinking. | ||
| So you said, what is the solution? | ||
| I am telling you it's radical change, two things, literally preventing corporate buyout of single family homes and putting a halt on immigration until we can figure out what's going on, which also means deporting the illegals. | ||
| You're saying, is that possible? | ||
| What I'm trying to tell people is maybe Yes. | ||
| Maybe the Zionist, you know, big government, uniparty that runs our country isn't going to do that right now. | ||
| So what did you do? | ||
| You did what I did. | ||
| You left the system. | ||
| Like, I have a degree. | ||
| I used to do genetic engineering. | ||
| I studied biology. | ||
| I don't work, and I used to be a high school teacher. | ||
| I'm credentialed. | ||
| That's not a pathway to support a family. | ||
| What does that mean, leave the system? | ||
| You found an alternate niche job that has a very limited amount of resources, and you worked your way up. | ||
| When did I find that job? | ||
| I'm telling you, the system doesn't work. | ||
| When did I find that job? | ||
| You're working it right now. | ||
| You built that for yourself. | ||
| How did I make money before doing this? | ||
| Probably like me, lots of different jobs. | ||
| You probably did different things. | ||
| Journalism, you probably made money working random jobs. | ||
| I'm saying you're smart. | ||
| I work for ABC News. | ||
| I'm saying you're smart. | ||
| You went and built something. | ||
| I'm saying not everyone can do that. | ||
| Not everyone knows how to do that. | ||
| You might be smarter than most people. | ||
| And in a country, I'm saying the rich aren't doing poor in this country. | ||
| people who are smart, there's no one's argument that there's a lack of entrepreneurship availability, that there aren't grants and investors to be able to be an extremely intelligent person and build something great. | ||
| The reality is a lot of Most people aren't built that way. | ||
| Most people are just followers. | ||
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And they shouldn't have to live in their parents' basement forever because they can't afford a home. | |
| So how do they get out of their parents' basement? | ||
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Okay, but the point is, if every single Gen Z Zoomer decided to pull themselves up by their bootstraps tomorrow and grind super hard, it wouldn't matter. | |
| Sounds like Democrat stuff. | ||
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No, it wouldn't matter if every single one did that. | |
| They still wouldn't be able to buy a home and get a job because that's only available to a select amount of people at this point. | ||
| Yeah, this is like Occupy Wall Street liberal rhetoric. | ||
| No, this isn't because my grandfather was a mechanic. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| My grandfather was a mechanic for Boeing. | ||
| He's not college educated. | ||
| He owns multiple homes. | ||
| He just died, rest in peace. | ||
| Multiple homes in Los Angeles. | ||
| Now, I was doing some math and looking at the minimum wage at the time that he was working. | ||
| When you're saying, like, what do we do? | ||
| I'm saying, yeah, that is a tough question, Tim. | ||
| It is a tough question when I tell someone, no matter how hard you work in the system, if you're an average intelligence guy with a normal IQ, not only are there not a lot of jobs available in manufacturing and fields to actually pay you what you want, but these fields are going down. | ||
| Either their wages are actually, they're offering less to begin with, or they're not giving raises because the cost of doing business is going up and you can get less. | ||
| What does a person do? | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| You're talking about a systemic issue. | ||
| I'm telling you, that's the tough part. | ||
| I would tell people, exit the system. | ||
| You have to realize right now the system is so broken, you're going to have to find an alternate way. | ||
| How do you do it? | ||
| If you want, well, you've got to do it. | ||
| You've got to be an entrepreneur. | ||
| You've got to start your own business. | ||
| That sounds like a lot of work. | ||
| But a lot of these people are just staying in their parents' houses. | ||
| I'm saying not everyone can do it. | ||
| It's a little bit of luck. | ||
| I've luckily met some people that have given me a lot of money. | ||
| So let me ask you a question. | ||
| You're saying that it is a fact we have a lot of needs, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It is largely accepted that young men especially are not working, not in education or training, and they're living with their parents. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What is the thing they can do right now to improve the situation? | ||
| You say exit the system. | ||
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| Is it hard to exit the system? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Why don't they do it? | ||
| They don't do it because right now where the money is, the niches of the money are in, you can develop products or you can get into media. | ||
| And I think they are doing it, which is why there's a staggering amount of women that are on OnlyFans making $2 for their butthole picks. | ||
| But the needs who aren't in education, training, or employment. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I don't think there's a lot of hope for them. | ||
| I don't think there's a lot of opportunity. | ||
| So we're in agreement that people who are living with their parents, not being trained, not being educated, not working, and also not even trying to access the system, do you think it's fair to call them lazy? | ||
| I don't think they are lazy. | ||
| I think disillusionment and lack of opportunity can lead to apathy, which can be interpreted as lazy. | ||
| I think that they are apathetic because the system they can tell. | ||
| It's like, what do I do? | ||
| It's like, so it's like I can't even get married. | ||
| So then what's the drive in a man? | ||
| If a man doesn't even see marriage and children in his future, like they say married men make more. | ||
| When you have children, you make more. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| When I found out my wife was pregnant, I was like... | ||
| I just started working my ass off, stopped going out on the weekends. | ||
| I figured it out, right? | ||
| And yeah, and I understand that that's possible in my field of work. | ||
| Most people cannot find $20,000 when you're in a linear system of top-down, maybe get a 1% raise per year, maybe a 3% raise. | ||
| I am saying, yes, I am looking for the Trump administration to stop bringing women on saying, hey, the idea that we're going to fix things is to allow more How about we do things in | ||
| our government, like I said, where we limit corporations from bringing in these foreign workers that drive down wages? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm saying it's a systemic problem. | ||
| Maybe the young people who are disillusioned might form a political block where in 10 or 20 years we can implement those changes. | ||
| I think they will. | ||
| Over 10 or 20 years. | ||
| I think they will. | ||
| For the time being, my point is, there is a reality as to why I think people like Andrew Tate and for a while, but not anymore, Jordan Peterson, was... | ||
| Unfortunately. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What was Jordan Peterson telling young men to do? | ||
| Find the heaviest thing you can and carry it. | ||
| Literally saying just work hard for no reason was one of the tenets of his 12 steps for life or whatever. | ||
| And my point is, much like why Andrew Tate has built a large following is because he's literally telling men to stop being lazy. | ||
| He literally puts out videos all the time where he's like, if you are sitting down and if you are sitting down waiting for something to happen, you're a loser. | ||
| And he insults guys. | ||
| He says, you're a loser. | ||
| We don't have anything to do with you. | ||
| But if you're a guy who wants to succeed, make a difference, and be somebody, and be the king, and be on the top, get off your ass right now. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Listen, I'm going to say this, though. | ||
| I'm not going to disagree with you. | ||
| I said there needs to be more content, positive content, especially telling young white men or just straight men or young men in general that, like, you can thrive. | ||
| Even if things are anti-white, I put out a tweet that went really viral where I said there is a portion of particularly young white guys who are rightfully angry. | ||
| You see this anti-white ideology. | ||
| You know, maybe they're not white, but you see this real anti-American, anti-male sentiment. | ||
| Everything's misogynistic, chauvinist. | ||
| Real masculinity is toxic, right, what they say. | ||
| And I go, look, listen, I'm a kid. | ||
| I'm from Los Angeles. | ||
| I sound like I was drinking the atrazine, you know, my entire life, right? | ||
| This is what happens in LA. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| So I'm a frog, right? | ||
| And Alex is correct. | ||
| There is a warfare on our bodies. | ||
| But I'll give you real advice. | ||
| I'm going to tell people this. | ||
| You know what I did? | ||
| You know what you should do? | ||
| If you have the money, go get a blood sample. | ||
| Go check your testosterone and your free testosterone. | ||
| Get a real number on... | ||
| Maybe you don't have a lack of drive. | ||
| Maybe the food you've been eating, the chemicals in our water, in our system, have lowered your testosterone and you don't have drive. | ||
| Go work on your testosterone. | ||
| I tell people, supplement and change your lifestyle. | ||
| Start with 20 push-ups today. | ||
| And I go, you know, I thought, bought into the lie for a little bit. | ||
| Like, you know, I was in the system. | ||
| I told people, like... | ||
| There was a lot of, like, racial discrimination. | ||
| There was a lot of hatred during Trump's first era. | ||
| Like, oh, they didn't want Trump supporters working in L.A. in any of the jobs. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I found a way out. | ||
| I am saying that, yeah, that is really tough, and it sucks to tell men the really only way to be a king and to get out is to do something grandiose, which is kind of sad about Tate. | ||
| It's like, well, how did Tate make his money? | ||
| Same with Portnoy or any of these guys. | ||
| I think he was actually talking dirty to men as well. | ||
| He made money doing that. | ||
| Base. | ||
| I have no idea what he was doing. | ||
| When you run the only... | ||
| They're from India, and Americans should be doing them. | ||
| It's probably true. | ||
| They probably were Indians. | ||
| It's probably like Fiverr. | ||
| It's like, I'm looking for someone to sext people. | ||
| Did you see that they have this AI technology that will take away an accent now? | ||
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| Yeah, they rolled out a thing where on the phone... | ||
| Yeah, it was like an Indian guy, and he was talking like this, and then he pressed the button, and then he was talking like this. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| And it just took his voice and removed the accent from it and then made his voice sound like North American Diet. | ||
| It's a lie worse than makeup on women. | ||
| Is there an app that can take away their smell, too? | ||
| Because I feel like that would fix race relations with a lot of these people. | ||
| It's the BO, right? | ||
| That a lot of these people have. | ||
| I want to jump to this next story that I'm really excited for, but my point is, Democrats have gutted this country's—Gen Z has been screwed over completely. | ||
| They're giving away properties to illegal immigrants. | ||
| They're giving homes to fake asylum seekers. | ||
| They're giving government benefits to non-citizens and telling Gen Z good luck, goodbye. | ||
| While all of that is true, there is no short-term solution to the fertility crisis and to the mass migration crisis created by the Democrats that will alleviate the tension on millennials and Gen Z. Millennials are, I believe, leaning slightly towards socialist. | ||
| We'll call it just left in general. | ||
| You're a millennial, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'd say millennials lean left for sure. | ||
| Millennials, 100%. | ||
| Gen Z, slightly majority is leaning right. | ||
| And it's actually picked up quite a bit with more faith in Jesus and men particularly shifting towards Trump. | ||
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And the lower half of Gen Z too is like way more right. | |
| They're either like communist or fascist. | ||
| It's kind of scary. | ||
| Gen Z women still go the other way. | ||
| So 70% of millennial women are left. | ||
| 30% are right. | ||
| For Gen Z, it's like 55-45 are left. | ||
| And then Gen Z men are 55 right, 45 left. | ||
| So that polarization is there, but it's kind of skewing more towards the right nowadays. | ||
| The principal point I'm making is not that every single Gen Z is lazy or that every single millennial is lazy, because obviously there are smart, wealthy millionaire millennials and also millennials working construction who do 80 hours a week and are working a modest living. | ||
| I'm saying that there is a large, large portion. | ||
| Of lazy younger people who think the government should be paying their bills. | ||
| And they're called Democrats and they're called Democratic Socialists and they're called Socialists. | ||
| And they are at like the younger block of the Democratic Party. | ||
| These are not people who believe in merit and closed borders. | ||
| These are people who are saying open the borders, bring all these people in and then make them do work so we can get paid from their taxes. | ||
| But let's jump to this next story because it's fun. | ||
| We got this from the National Post. | ||
| Welcome to Canada, my friends. | ||
| The King's land acknowledgement undermined his own authority. | ||
| The throne speech, which was supposed to be a subtle message of buzz-off to the U.S., put Canadian sovereignty into question. | ||
| I completely agree. | ||
| I actually don't care to read about his silly op-ed other than he made the point. | ||
| But I think we have a link to the actual speech given by the – oh, we don't. | ||
| Let me pull up the King Charles land acknowledgment and let me see if – do we have it right here? | ||
| I don't want to play a short. | ||
| This land acknowledgement is a recognition of shared history as a nation. | ||
| While continuing to deepen my own understanding, it is my great hope that in each of your communities and collectively as a country, a path is found toward truth and reconciliation in both word and deed. | ||
| King Charles, who is the King of Canada, just said that they were on unceded territory of the Algonquin people. | ||
| Let me clarify. | ||
| That is the king saying they are illegitimately occupying foreign land. | ||
| I believe that Donald Trump should now go to the Anashebeg and Algonquin people and offer them $10 billion for all of Canada. | ||
| Silly names. | ||
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I don't think it costs that much. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Like $3 billion. | |
| Maybe. | ||
| How about let's go back to the old days and offer them some shells and take the island. | ||
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A little handful of beads. | |
| Yeah, some beads. | ||
| No, you know what's funny is no one understands that. | ||
| In these crown countries, governments are still technically under the king, right? | ||
| I mean, if I have that right, even though they're independent democracies, the king could still come in and unseat MPs. | ||
| That's my understanding. | ||
| I know in Australia, as far back as even the 70s, I think, the Queen had to come in and remove one of their MPs. | ||
| And so when the King says that... | ||
| It's funny when, like, a celebrity comes on, you know, I think it was the Academy Awards, the last one, and they started out with, like, this is the Mwunga Boonga Ooga Booga tribe, and we acknowledge them, and you're like, ah, you know, you stupid celebrity. | ||
| But the king, I think a lot of the conspiracies about him are probably true. | ||
| I think this guy's blackmailed. | ||
| Do you know about that one, too? | ||
| That he might have converted to Islam? | ||
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| Yeah, did you hear about that? | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| I didn't say I believe it. | ||
| I've seen pretty convincing arguments that he converted to Islam. | ||
| But I do bring this up. | ||
| He's not helping his case from the conspirators because when you do stuff like this and you're not senile like Joe Biden, it makes me wonder if this is genuinely like an intentional undermining of British sovereignty and Western imperialism. | ||
| I don't think it could be anything else. | ||
| It's got to be intentional. | ||
| I would... | ||
| Like, you would think that... | ||
| Especially, it's not like, you know, he's a teenager. | ||
| His mother was the queen for 70 years or something like that. | ||
| He is very familiar with all of the protocol that a king, you know, has to go through. | ||
| So this seems like, it seems ridiculous that he would do this because he should have known. | ||
| I think Trump needs to publicly—not that I think Trump would actually try and claim Canada, but I think Trump should post a truth right now saying that the king has acknowledged his illegitimate claims over Canada, and we no longer recognize the Canadian government as legitimate by the king's own words. | ||
| It would be funny— I'd do it if I was president. | ||
| And I wouldn't put it past Trump, but like— Can we talk about the seriousness of this, though? | ||
| This needs to stop. | ||
| This land acknowledgement stuff, the welcome to country in Australia, New Zealand, what the hell is this? | ||
| I completely disagree. | ||
| This is fantastic because it creates one of two scenarios. | ||
| One is that Canada's government is illegitimate, for which we need only negotiate with the Algonquin and Anishibag people, or the left must now recognize that conquerors have the claim to a land. | ||
| Yeah, well, when do you get to own the land? | ||
| How long do you have to be there? | ||
| How many wars did you have to win? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| My point is, if the left says, oh, he didn't give the land up, I would respond with, I completely agree. | ||
| When we conquer land, it's ours. | ||
| And if they go, no, no, it is the Anishibag people. | ||
| It's like, okay, Donald Trump should negotiate with them instead, and Canada's government's illegitimate. | ||
| They might actually say yes to that. | ||
| You know, I love the land acknowledgement stuff for one reason. | ||
| We ain't doing it in the United States right now. | ||
| And so long as we don't, I could give a damn if Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the UK are doing whatever. | ||
| I don't know what the UK is going to do. | ||
| Who is there before the current government? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| According to the BBC, black people, I don't know if you saw the Ancient Brits documentary. | ||
| They were like, it was like Zuby's ancestors apparently were the original founders, the Nigerians. | ||
| No, but okay. | ||
| But this is where I think a little personally, this breaks my heart, is like, I want to see a strong West. | ||
| Like, I want to see a unified front. | ||
| Not this NATO bullshit like, oh, we got to stand with Ukraine, FAFO stuff. | ||
| Like a genuine like – these are our – Like white people are only 7% approximately of the global population. | ||
| We exported our culture to the entire world. | ||
| I mean, you go to China and Western technology, the skyscraper, is at the precipice of even what they're building today to become strong themselves. | ||
| Even the way they've opened up to our capitalist ideas and free trade to become a stronger nation. | ||
| And then they're using our ideas to become stronger. | ||
| And then we're apologizing to people that sound like... | ||
| I mean, really? | ||
| Doesn't it kind of break your heart a little bit seeing Western countries collapse into this frail, apologetic weakness? | ||
| Doesn't this make us all lose in the West? | ||
| As long as, in the end, we conquer the Commonwealth nations, I'm fine with it. | ||
| I don't think we would do that. | ||
| Donald Trump right now is talking about Canada becoming the 51st state. | ||
| And if the end result of their land acknowledgement, weird, woke, we recognize the sins of our ways, if that resulted in Trump saying, okay, your country's ours now, good luck, I'm like, all right. | ||
| Or for us, these people who don't believe in conquest and think it never existed, it's a silly notion that we have to give the land to whoever was there a long time ago because everybody just claims they were there first. | ||
| And then no one actually knows who was there first, and then you fight over it. | ||
| So we have a government. | ||
| Canada has a government. | ||
| No, Canada's not going to abdicate control of the land to the Algonquin people, right? | ||
| But my point is, let them undermine their own sovereignty. | ||
| That's their own opinion, people writing this. | ||
| And then Trump can come out and use that claim against them. | ||
| If this persists and those nations collapse, then the strong must survive. | ||
| I just don't think this is going to happen. | ||
| They've got Tarsay on Canada. | ||
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| I mean, first of all, we get access to the Northwest Passage in its entirety if we control Canada. | ||
| But they also have the tar sands, which is oil for us. | ||
| Not that we need all their oil, but hey, that's good oil. | ||
| Also, land is generally just good. | ||
| There's resources there. | ||
| I think they have a certain degree of rare earth minerals in the north. | ||
| We could add more caribou to our diet, which right now is largely in Alaska. | ||
| Who doesn't want free land? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The tar sands is the easy one. | ||
| And my point ultimately is, for what reason should I as an American care that Australia, Canada, and New Zealand are gutting themselves with crackpot ideology and destroying their way of life? | ||
| It just means that for us in the United States, if Canada were to break down because of these absurdities, it'll make it easier for us to get their stuff. | ||
| Like, it'll make it cheaper to trade with them. | ||
| I'll put it that way. | ||
| Do you think China is going to also take advantage of these weaknesses? | ||
| Look at Australia, too. | ||
| They've been and they are. | ||
| China is the biggest spender of foreign policy lobbying in the United States. | ||
| I was in El Salvador. | ||
| I went down there to go try to understand how fascism saved that country. | ||
| It's a very unique position. | ||
| I was with some government officials and one thing I noticed when touring some sites was that they're building a new stadium in San Salvador. | ||
| And it literally says like a social project of the Chinese Republic. | ||
| He's like, yeah, China's putting billions of dollars into El Salvador because why? | ||
| They want to control the port down there, apparently. | ||
| They want access—I don't know if it's trade or military. | ||
| They're putting a bunch of money into Central America. | ||
| And so about half the social projects—I was talking to a government official—are direct competition from the actual Chinese communist government. | ||
| And so to me, like, you know— When you had a destabilized country like that, right now when it's stabilizing, you do have competition between the West and the East trying to gain control of this newfound government that's, you know, some people question whether or not what he's doing is democratic, but it worked, right? | ||
| As he said, like, should we should we give up the freedom of six million for just like 60,000? | ||
| You know, basically take away some human rights to save the entire population. | ||
| My point is, is like, I haven't seen. | ||
| And maybe it's just because I'm a little bit of an identitarian myself. | ||
| I'm a Western identitarian. | ||
| I love the idea that I can go from country to country. | ||
| You kind of don't feel like you left the United States. | ||
| There is a lot of Western and American dominance in these countries. | ||
| But like seeing the downfall of Canada in the last 15 years, seeing even just the Canadian dollar collapse, the Australian dollar collapse, to see the fact that like, you know, Did you see that recent video of Niagara Falls where they said that basically tourism revenue is down but visits are up? | ||
| And it's because they said it's day visitors from Brampton that are visiting Niagara Falls. | ||
| It looks like you're in Punjab. | ||
| You see the video. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| There's not a single Western person there. | ||
| And so it's like when you see the fact, it's like there's real consequences of weakening these countries that I don't think we've realized yet. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't think that the America benefits from any other Western nation being weaker, especially on the front. | ||
| Let me ask you something. | ||
| What was the racial demographic of these countries before this area looked like Punjab? | ||
| What was the racial makeup of it? | ||
| Almost entirely white. | ||
| Yeah, like Canada up until like, what, 20, 20 years ago? | ||
| So how did it end up that it's not anymore? | ||
| Immigration. | ||
| Trudeau changed the immigration. | ||
| He let in all these temporary visa holders and then applied for residency. | ||
| What's Trudeau's ethnic background? | ||
| Cuban. | ||
| It's alleged. | ||
| What's his ethnicity? | ||
| I think Cuban. | ||
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| I genuinely think he's Cuban. | ||
| And Cubans are what? | ||
| The Cubans you're referring to are Spaniards? | ||
| So they're European? | ||
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He's white. | |
| Justin Trudeau's a white man. | ||
| The Democrats are white people. | ||
| All of these Commonwealth nations were largely run by white people, and in the studies that we've pulled up, the one ethnic group with an out-group preference based on race are white liberals. | ||
| This is true. | ||
| So the funny thing is, when I hear this talk about, like, I certainly get why people are upset that, you know, there was a country, it was colonized, it was conquered, whatever you want to call it. | ||
| I mean, I blame white people. | ||
| Canada was a country largely of white people. | ||
| Or maybe it's our government stopped caring what we think. | ||
| Like when Theo Vaughn said, it seems like no matter what we want, our government does what it wants. | ||
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Yeah, people don't vote for mass immigration. | |
| Yeah, like when you poll these countries, they didn't want it. | ||
| Why doesn't it happen in China? | ||
| Why doesn't it happen in China? | ||
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Because the Chinese government actually wants a good sovereign nation. | |
| And what ethnic background runs the Chinese government? | ||
| Han. | ||
| And why doesn't it happen in Japan? | ||
| Well, it might be, actually. | ||
| They're switching their immigration policies. | ||
| Sure, but it hasn't. | ||
| And it's funny because in Japan, racism is humor. | ||
| Not kidding. | ||
| So is it white people that control the government? | ||
| Just because he happens to be white. | ||
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Also, Trudeau's immigration minister was Jewish. | |
| And the Mexican president is Jewish. | ||
| Do I blame Jews for the corruption there? | ||
| My point is, you have all of these white countries that are experiencing this problem. | ||
| Non-white countries are not, for the most part. | ||
| They didn't vote for it. | ||
| So, like, blaming the white populace for the collapse. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| They didn't vote for it. | ||
| They don't want it. | ||
| Are you kidding? | ||
| Democrats, 70 million voted for Congress. | ||
| We didn't pull on... | ||
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And now the government is literally monitoring the party and trying to shut it down. | |
| And what's the majority of government? | ||
| Bro, I don't understand why... | ||
| White countries did this to themselves. | ||
| I would say it has to do with an occupation. | ||
| There's something that happened after World War II where our governments are moving towards this liberal democracy, this universal democratic hegemony. | ||
| Look at Romania, what happened with the election. | ||
| So my question is, and this is before I want to— Liberal economic order. | ||
| Well, look, I'm actually going to defend Jewish people here for a second in saying this. | ||
| Do I think because Zelensky's Jewish that I'm going to blame Jews for the downfall of Ukraine? | ||
| I don't think that's fair to say just because he's ethnically or religiously—maybe he's atheist, but he's ethnically Jewish—that it's the Jews' fault. | ||
| I don't think that when you look at the actual polling, that's not, you know, USAID-backed polling, but actual polling. | ||
| It looks like it's not very popular, and they want the war to end. | ||
| Ukrainians want the war to end. | ||
| So we have a problem in Western countries post-World War II that our governments are enacting some sort of a UN agenda that is not representing what the people wanted. | ||
| Like Ireland, there's this city. | ||
| That was 98% Irish. | ||
| Someone could put the name in the chat. | ||
| And they had a vote of whether to put an immigrant center in the city. | ||
| The city voted like four-fifths. | ||
| It was like over 80% voted against it. | ||
| They built it anyways, arrested anybody who tried to stop it. | ||
| And now the city is like 37% white. | ||
| Well, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| They're probably white. | ||
| In the UK, every single day, I watch white cops arrest people for this stuff. | ||
| Yeah, I remember the German guy that was trying to arrest... | ||
| He got stabbed in the back. | ||
| He was trying to save the guy. | ||
| I have a real question for you. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I don't think we could blame white people because I think the government is just doing what they want. | ||
| You have to vote for who you have to vote for. | ||
| You get Trump or Biden. | ||
| It's not like there's 20 options and then all of a sudden there was this one really good option that was going to change things. | ||
| You have this sort of uniparty here. | ||
| And I think in every Western country, the governments are working against their people. | ||
| White people are not pro-mass immigration from these countries when pulled. | ||
| So how is it their fault? | ||
| If the government's rogue and not representing them, maybe our only fault is not absolving our own government. | ||
| We're not going to war with our government. | ||
| Half of this country supports the Democrats. | ||
| And maybe it's slightly less. | ||
| You've got 70 million people at least who want the Democratic Party. | ||
| That's fine, but there is all polls and stuff that say that the American people, like 70%, want to see deportation. | ||
| But I always say this. | ||
| Polls are great, especially in aggregate, but voting matters more. | ||
| So when Donald Trump wins the popular vote... | ||
| I'm like, don't know, don't care, because the only poll that matters is the polling box, and Trump won. | ||
| Well, and I think that there's—I think that that lends to the evidence that the American people do want to see deportations, because that was the thing that Donald— 49.8 percent? | ||
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| That was the thing that Donald Trump— My point is not that Kamala won the election, it's that 75 million voted for him. | ||
| I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that— If you've got these polls that say that 66% of Americans want to see deportations and Donald Trump wins the popular vote and the electoral college, that strongly indicates that most Americans do want to see deportations. | ||
| And what does that have to do with my point? | ||
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But look what's happening right now. | |
| I mean, Trump's president and he's being blocked by these liberal judges because there's just so much rot in the system. | ||
| The way that I understood what you were saying is that it's not the American people that actually want to see deportations. | ||
| About half of this country are okay with open borders. | ||
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But they're not. | |
| But they are. | ||
| They vote for it. | ||
| Okay, well, also keep in mind that prior to the election, Kamala reeled back a lot of her extreme rhetoric in order to appeal to the center. | ||
| And also, I just met one of these Democrats the other day just because someone voted Democrat. | ||
| That doesn't mean that their heart is in every last bullet point of the Democratic Party platform. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I met this guy and he said that he's more socially conservative than almost all Republicans that I've met. | ||
| And he worked for, actually, the Biden administration and the Biden campaign and the following Kamala campaign. | ||
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He said there are some things I'm not allowed to say around these people. | |
| And that and five bucks gets you a cup of coffee. | ||
| So when someone comes to me and says, look, I don't like the Democrats, but I voted for them, I'll be like, then you support open borders. | ||
| Now you can tell me you don't like open borders, but you do support it. | ||
| And if it's, I don't support it, like, you literally lent your support to the party of open borders who opened the borders. | ||
| What do you think support means? | ||
| It means you are literally, as an individual, holding up their system with your actions. | ||
| Well, if we are talking just ideologically. | ||
| The popular sentiment is behind mass deportation and immigration. | ||
| And that's what, 55%? | ||
| My point is, when we are saying that the people don't choose their government to do these things, that is not correct. | ||
| Donald Trump won. | ||
| Donald Trump is now deporting people. | ||
| Shut the border down. | ||
| I am very happy about what he's doing. | ||
| I spoke with Tom Homan today. | ||
| He was fantastic. | ||
| But these Democrats might try and publicly play to the center, but they will—I mean, look at when Bill Maher said, if a recession stops Donald Trump, then bring in a recession. | ||
| Literally saying, destroy the economy and ruin people's lives. | ||
| I hate Trump that much. | ||
| Now, you can go to Bill and talk about wokeness and all that stuff, and this was the issue with him. | ||
| He might say to your face, hey, man, I don't like any of those things. | ||
| But if a guy says, I'm not a bank robber, I hate bank robbing, and then he goes and robs a bank, he's a bank robber. | ||
| My point with all of this is— It is – we've looked at the data that shows white liberals are the only – so out of all ethnic groups, the only group with an outgroup preference to any degree is white people, specifically white liberals. | ||
| So when we look at all of these policies, it is an ideology among white people. | ||
| My point is simply that not all white people, of course, want this. | ||
| But when people talk about the ethnic makeup of this area or that area, I'm like, right. | ||
| If we're talking about ethnicity, it is something about white nations. | ||
| Take a look at the indigenous countries of white people, which is the various countries in Europe. | ||
| Where are they now? | ||
| Except for Poland, largely opened their borders to all these different ethnic immigrants of varying backgrounds, largely sub-Saharan African immigrants in Europe. | ||
| China didn't do that. | ||
| Japan didn't do that, even under occupation. | ||
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Yeah, the governments did that, but that doesn't mean that there's popular support. | |
| And also, yeah, obviously there is an issue with white guilt, but why do you think that is? | ||
| I mean, people are born into this system where they're told from a young age that you're basically evil for being white. | ||
| And white people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| I have a real question for you, though. | ||
| So this is kind of a point of contention. | ||
| So I had a point of contention with Nick Fuentes. | ||
| He was telling people not to vote for Trump. | ||
| I was telling people to vote for Trump, okay? | ||
| And people were saying, oh, if you vote—well, he was telling people not to vote for Trump, and I was telling people to vote. | ||
| And I was claiming—we had a disagreement because I was claiming that, you know— Number one, one of my assistant producers at the network, check it out, RiftTV.com, he was looking at five years in prison for a stupid J6 bogus charge, right? | ||
| And I was under investigation. | ||
| I go, this is really selfish, but I know that Trump will pardon these people. | ||
| His entire presidency depends on it. | ||
| And there's one main reason I'm voting for him. | ||
| It's for my friends to be absolved of their fake criminal charges. | ||
| However, We're going to hear Israel's bad or this or that. | ||
| It's like, OK, look, everybody knows I'm anti-Zionist. | ||
| I don't agree with it. | ||
| And I knew Trump was a biggest – I think he's a bigger Zionist than the left. | ||
| I think he supports Israel unequivocally more than Biden or anybody did. | ||
| So are you going to sit here and say, because I voted for Trump, because I knew that there was friends I didn't want to go to jail, and I did feel like economically and also in other areas, including the value and the patriotism of our nation, including the strength of our military, that Trump would be a better choice, that somehow – I literally said that you can disagree with something, but there's a question between whether you agree with it or support it are different things. | ||
| But I'm saying the majority of Americans, I believe, from what I've seen in real polling, disagree with the immigration crisis right now, both legal and illegal. | ||
| They want to see people deported. | ||
| They want to see legal immigration down. | ||
| Not if Trump's doing it. | ||
| No, I think that people want it. | ||
| And then unfortunately, they look around and think people are disillusioned going, why does the government, why does Kash Patel say he's going to do all these things and no matter who gets in, nothing changes? | ||
| So I'm saying, I also think people are intentionally misinformed. | ||
| So like you're saying, well, why would they vote for this? | ||
| I don't think people are all that informed and intelligent. | ||
| I think Nick was right. | ||
| What? | ||
| If Nick's point was don't vote for him. | ||
| That's what I'm asking. | ||
| Was he right or was I right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If Nick's point is vote for Trump is a vote to support Israel, he's correct. | ||
| Functionally correct. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But the question is, do you lend your support to things you don't like because there are things you need? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I think either way you're going to get support for Israel. | ||
| I mean, Kamala's married to a Jewish man. | ||
| I didn't think we were going to see a change in that party. | ||
| But my point was, I'm saying, but with what you're saying, like, oh, it's white people, I'm saying the polling shows the popular amount of white people statistically do not support these things, but the government does it anyways. | ||
| And because we're in a democratic system where everyone has to say, and I will disavow it, I disavow violence, we're just trying to vote our way out of it. | ||
| When it turns out in the American primary system on certain issues that Especially on Zionism, that you are not going to really get—I'm thinking of Brandon Herrera here—you're not going to really get a candidate on the Republican or Democratic side who agrees with me on that issue. | ||
| They're going to put— Two people who agree on the Zionist issue to fight left and right. | ||
| I'm going, that's a losing battle for me. | ||
| I don't even try to fight it anymore on a voting level because I realize I'm not going to vote my way out of support for Israel. | ||
| That's not going to happen in this current electoral cycle or with this generation of people running because the way the primary system is set up. | ||
| So we're saying with white people, I'm saying maybe the system got rigged by people and I have to ask the question. | ||
| Why would white people intentionally create an international government system that— A liberal economic order. | ||
| Well, why would they do this that doesn't even focus on the deaths of white people from World War II? | ||
| We don't even talk about how— Why did they open trade with China? | ||
| Well, this is what I'm trying to ask. | ||
| Why would we create a system to engineer our own destruction? | ||
| Because they didn't think that was going to happen. | ||
| They thought opening trade with China was going to liberalize China and make China subservient to us through trade, and the opposite happened. | ||
| China exploited the United States, took our manufacturing, and then mocked us for it. | ||
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| See what you got to say. | ||
| So it's not unseated. | ||
| It's unseated. | ||
| Which literally means they never gave the land to Canada or the British Commonwealth. | ||
| And that was the king basically saying, we are illegitimately occupying your land, which you claim right to. | ||
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I think Trump should agree with him. | |
| All right, let's go. | ||
| Lunar Looter says, Elijah, red pill girl and ghost girl on the same broadcast. | ||
| I am overwhelmed. | ||
| Take the ghost pill. | ||
| Was it Mary haunting the building, by the way? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Haunting the building? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We had a paranormal experience that I can't talk about. | ||
| That had nothing to do with me. | ||
| No. | ||
| But they're putting the hard R on Elijah now? | ||
| Yeah, they're calling me Elijah and some people are censoring my last name. | ||
| Elijah. | ||
| Elijah came from working with too many Australians. | ||
| Elijah Schaefer. | ||
| Elijah? | ||
| Because the non-erotic Commonwealth accent, instead of ah, they say er, right? | ||
| Yeah, which is actually funny because I always ask Australian people, I was like, why do you always say the N-word And they're like, no, I'm saying it with the hard R. Then it's like, ah! | ||
| At the end, you're like, oh yeah, because you can't say your R's. | ||
| They can't do it. | ||
| But, you know. | ||
| That's a British thing indeed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alright, let's go. | ||
| KO7776 says, no one is talking about the possibility someone was paying Epstein's cellmates to brutally beat him and blackmailing him into doing it. | ||
| Technically still sewer slide. | ||
| That was the first one, but then they removed his cellmate. | ||
| It was by himself, I think. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| All right, let's see. | ||
| Uncle Sam is a Fraud says, Tim, did you watch the greatest free show on Earth last night? | ||
| America First with – I'm sorry, I read that wrong. | ||
| Israel First with Nicholas J. Fuentes. | ||
| Big show. | ||
| He does talk about Israel more than any other issue, doesn't he? | ||
| When are we going to have the debate? | ||
| What's the debate? | ||
| Well, I saw him say – I said Alex Jones, Elijah Schaefer. | ||
| I don't even know what the disagreement is really between you guys, but I mean like – I'm asking, what am I supposed to debate? | ||
| Well, I think you made claims that, like, they're Israel first, right? | ||
| I read the tweets. | ||
| It's an insult. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like it's a little bit demeaning, right? | ||
| Like, I mean, he does take attacks at you, too, though. | ||
| So, I mean, you guys are both kind of, like, cutting at each other. | ||
| My point is the people who think Israel is responsible for everything, the first thing that comes to their mind in terms of the problems of this country is Israel. | ||
| They're Israel first. | ||
| Like me, I'm concerned about our southern border. | ||
| I'm concerned about fentanyl crossing the Canadian border. | ||
| I'm concerned about the cartels in Mexico. | ||
| And then there are people who literally just talk about Israel all day. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, America has problems. | ||
| Israel is not the first on that list. | ||
| We can go over the things we don't like about Israel. | ||
| 100% agreed. | ||
| But when you bypass literally our southern border... | ||
| 20 million illegal immigrants over the span of a couple years flooding our labor market, flooding our hotels. | ||
| And you're like, yeah, but Israel. | ||
| I'm like, bro, are you serious? | ||
| You are Israel first. | ||
| You care more about Israel than the fact that New York, that Joe Biden brought in, I think the actual number is like 10 million over four years. | ||
| Considered to be one of the largest mass migrations in human history. | ||
| I think they believe that the Jews did that. | ||
| No, I honestly, because I've talked to both of you guys pretty extensively about your views, I think you misunderstand each other, but also I don't think that's true with him because I've never watched a full episode. | ||
| Sounds really bad. | ||
| I've never watched a full episode of this show or of his show. | ||
| I've never watched a full episode of my own show. | ||
| You don't end up watching your own stuff. | ||
| But I've seen enough clips to where I see him talking about Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel, the military-industrial complex being a huge issue in the ear of Trump. | ||
| And with you too, I think you don't get enough credit for being open and honest. | ||
| Where people won't even mention Israel or Zionist or, you know, or AIPAC or any of these words, you're not afraid to talk about them despite, you know, maybe it could cause problems for monetization. | ||
| So I think he has a real open opportunity to generate a lot of views and to say, if you're making these claims and he's saying that, you know, he's saying something, being able to sit down together and discuss this, I feel like this is what people want. | ||
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Is that a debate? | |
| Well, it could be a discussion. | ||
| Quick question. | ||
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Okay, he's also making the claim that basically you're bought out by Israel or by Jewish interest. | |
| Because it is real first. | ||
| What's the debate? | ||
| I don't get money from Israel? | ||
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He was accusing you of meeting with Netanyahu. | |
| I met with Netanyahu, indeed. | ||
| And Tucker Carlson met with the Premier. | ||
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What did you guys talk about? | |
| Netanyahu, there was a Chatham House meeting with like a dozen plus journalists at the Blair House, which is basically a White House guest house. | ||
| And he was talking largely about Iran getting a nuclear weapon and trying to go to war with Israel and the United States. | ||
| I think it's also pretty— Well, I'm confused on that too, why he did that. | ||
| But I think a lot of people want to know this. | ||
| Because I'm not making any accusations because I think a lot of people are too conspiratorial and think that everything's like, you know, some undercut, cooked background thing where people are getting top-down orders from Israel. | ||
| And that's really not what's happening. | ||
| Because they're Israel first. | ||
| They're deranged. | ||
| No, well, listen, okay, we'll disagree on that. | ||
| But I mean, that is crazy to have a meeting with a world leader. | ||
| Like, how do you get invited to that? | ||
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Yeah, like, why is Net Yahu meeting with all of our right-wing influencers? | |
| Well, yeah, but I'm saying, but why would a foreign leader then want to meet with you because you have a big podcast in America? | ||
| Because he's advocating for U.S. support for their war with Iran. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's called lobbying. | ||
| Well, what did he lobby? | ||
| Can you say? | ||
| Yeah, he was trying to convince a bunch of media personalities that the U.S. had to support Israel, and I would say 70% of the room told him to screw off. | ||
| What did you feel personally on that? | ||
| Do you have an opinion on that? | ||
| Well, in a matter of speaking, I mean, nobody literally said screw off, but there was a really funny moment where he's like, what does Iran say? | ||
| They do not say death to Israel. | ||
| They say death to America. | ||
| I'm not supposed to quote him, so I'm paraphrasing, I guess. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| He said that. | ||
| And he goes, what do you think happens when they get a nuclear weapon? | ||
| They will be stopped by us, but they will come for you. | ||
| And then immediately someone goes, no, they won't. | ||
| Just blurt it out in the room. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| And then he's like, yes, they will. | ||
| And they're like, no, they won't. | ||
| And then someone else goes, their nukes can't reach us. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| But the idea that when Nick Fondes says something like, Tempol is bought and paid for by Israel, that's because he's, come on, he's lying. | ||
| Like, do you literally believe that Israel... | ||
| The liberals claim that Russia gave me money. | ||
| Lies. | ||
| And the Israel First people claim that Israel gives me money. | ||
| Stupid lies. | ||
| The Israel First people think that I won't talk about Israel at all because I'm in a band and because the music industry is run by Jews. | ||
| So I must not be allowed to talk about it. | ||
| Even though we sat down and had a conversation. | ||
| Scott Horton was here last Friday and the whole thing was talking about Israel. | ||
| The people that were talking about Israel. | ||
| There is no evidence that you could show them that would change their opinion. | ||
| I gotta tell you, Elijah. | ||
| The truth. | ||
| My Mossad agent insisted on inviting you onto my show. | ||
| And Scott Horton the week before. | ||
| Qatar needs to send you some more money. | ||
| The competition's thick. | ||
| I don't think Cutter's paying. | ||
| So Tucker Carlson got it. | ||
| James Lindsay thinks we're getting money from Qatar. | ||
| And James, I want to tell you, we are taking money from Qatar. | ||
| And it was a newspaper called Jewish Insider that lied about what I said to claim that I asserted Cutter was paying people. | ||
| That's smarmy. | ||
| So at this meeting, I asked Netanyahu. | ||
| There have been a bunch of claims that Qatar has been paying American influencers to promote anti-Israel content. | ||
| And then some writer reported Tim Pool claimed Cutter was paying influencers and asked the prime minister about it who said he wasn't sure. | ||
| And I'm like, I didn't tell him that it was happening. | ||
| My point was people had been accusing Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and other people of being paid by Cutter, which is a smear to impugn their honor on their own opinions. | ||
| And I'm a fan of Tucker Carlson. | ||
| So I said, do you have any evidence any of that's actually happened? | ||
| Prove that this is happening if that's the case. | ||
| very true because that's why I want to say this so to give credit on both sides number one do you not think that no That there would be a reason, a bias. | ||
| He'd be like, yeah, Tim's somebody that I could probably get to do my work. | ||
| And when that happens, with lobbying, I'm asking you, was this just like a meeting where he's just, you know, it's like Goodwill. | ||
| By the way, people say you shouldn't have met. | ||
| I think if you have an opportunity to meet with a world leader, you should take it. | ||
| and it's kind of a pretty cool opportunity. | ||
| But in a meeting like that, Or like, just to clarify, was there ever any benefits like money or any insinuation of influence or help or anything presented at a meeting like that? | ||
| Or have you ever been presented with some sort of benefit from Israel? | ||
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Nope. | |
| There you go. | ||
| Well, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| So, I mean, people have to take you at your word, but I think the same thing goes with the guitar thing. | ||
| They're nuts. | ||
| But the guitar thing's true, too, because I'm not going to call her out. | ||
| Why would Scott Horton come on the show numerous days? | ||
| He was skateboarding with us. | ||
| No, I know, but somebody prominent messaged me, and they're like, you know, blah, blah, blah, all your friends are taking money from Qatar. | ||
| He's a very, very prominent person, and I said, cool, where's the evidence for that? | ||
| Can you just send it to me because I want to be able to call them out? | ||
| I want to text them right now. | ||
| Did you see they tried accusing Tucker Carlson of doing that? | ||
| Yeah, with taking money to interview the premier. | ||
| Right, and so I was on the show the other day, and he brought that up. | ||
| I pulled it up and I immediately saw through the manipulation through the media. | ||
| This is a conservative media. | ||
| It said that Cutter was paying $180,000 a month to an outreach company to secure this interview. | ||
| The insinuation being that Tucker Carlson was getting this money. | ||
| When actually the story likely is, Cutter hires a PR firm to try and get interviews for them, and Tucker Carlson got an email from someone that he didn't know saying, would you like to interview the Prime Minister or the Premier of Cutter? | ||
| And he went, wow, yeah, who wouldn't? | ||
| So he did. | ||
| Then they write a story saying Cutter paid $180,000 to get this interview, implying they paid Tucker when they actually just paid a standard PR agency to do outreach. | ||
| We have a PR company. | ||
| We pay them a lot of money. | ||
| And then they do outreach to other podcasts saying, would you like to. | ||
| And it's how we actually book some of our guests and it's how I end up going on Bill Maher. | ||
| But imagine if someone took that story and said, Tim Pool paid tens of thousands of dollars to get the interview with Bill Maher to imply that I had to pay him cash to do it. | ||
| That's what they were trying to do to Tucker. | ||
| The idea that anybody is getting paid, so of all the podcasters, the idea that anyone's getting paid by Cutter is stupid and ridiculous. | ||
| The idea that anybody's getting paid by Israel is stupid and ridiculous, or Russia is stupid and ridiculous, and this is what they try and do to impugn your honor. | ||
| The idea that there is just like, every faction believes there's a secret cabal of their enemies paying their adversaries. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, sometimes people just have opinions. | ||
| But I will say this, and we should read some more chats. | ||
| The funny thing about the Israel First people, when they post things like, Tim is bought and paid for by Israel, I'm like, Well, they're not really getting their bang for their buck when I literally advocate for stripping all federal funding to Israel, like, every opportunity I get. | ||
| Praise Dave Smith's arguments on the matter about America should not be involved in Israel's war. | ||
| We should not be involved with Iran. | ||
| We should not be involved in their political dealings. | ||
| Is that what Israel's supposedly paying for? | ||
| Is that pro-Israel to say that we shouldn't be involved and we should cut off all funding to them? | ||
| Well, can I ask you—this is a real question because I know we have to go on to other super chats, but do you feel genuinely—which I believe your views on Israel are authentic and it's what you believe. | ||
| And I've never accused you of, like, taking money from Israel or anything like that. | ||
| But... | ||
| that you'd be able to bring on the same, you know, U.S. government officials and have the same place and invite and platform in right-wing or free speech, like areas of concentration and meetup. | ||
| Like, do you think that you would have Do you think there would be negative benefits? | ||
| That's true for any subject. | ||
| Do you think really if Qatar would be punished in the right wing if you looked at how many people were getting in Qatar? | ||
| Nobody cares about Qatar. | ||
| Yeah, they do. | ||
| Seth Dillon does. | ||
| Joel Berry does. | ||
| Colin Wright does. | ||
| James Luzi does. | ||
| Qatar isn't as impactful as Israel in American politics. | ||
| They claim they are, though. | ||
| They do spend a lot of money on foreign. | ||
| They spend more on foreign lobbying in the United States than Israel does, but there's different kinds of influence. | ||
| Doesn't it hurt you? | ||
| Don't you think that one of the main reasons why Fuentes is so censored, even though him and I share vastly different views on a lot of different topics, I cannot figure out any other reason why he's debanked in all these things except for his views on Israel. | ||
| Did you say that one interview recently? | ||
| Who was that? | ||
| Was it an ambassador that said Netanyahu's upset about Netanyahu? | ||
| They said Netanyahu doesn't want more people like Fuentes rising up. | ||
| He's upset that people like this have a platform. | ||
| Isn't that kind of an issue? | ||
| And Hassan Piker is one of the biggest live streamers in the country. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And he's being propped up by the New York Times. | ||
| Do you think he might be taking money from Qatar? | ||
| People say he's getting money from foreign countries. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The thing about Hasan... | ||
| I could be wrong about that, but I thought that they got an investment. | ||
| Al Jazeera Plus is a big Qatari-funded Al Jazeera in general. | ||
| So I would say this. | ||
| There are a variety of subjects to where if you come out extremely strong on them, you can find yourself isolated from certain platforms. | ||
| Do you think that if I was like – Every video I did—actually, I put it this way. | ||
| Do you think Trump would do an interview with Brian Tyler Cohen? | ||
| I don't think Trump would do an interview with anyone that doesn't have extremely high ratings. | ||
| I think that's what he cares about. | ||
| Ryan Tyler Cohen gets more views than Joe Rogan does. | ||
| But every single video he produces is a screenshot of Trump and then something nonsensical about Trump like Trump unhinged rant viral and it's like not even news. | ||
| It's just he spam blasts. | ||
| Yeah, Trump's kind of going to be like, I don't see the benefit of talking to someone like that. | ||
| And so... | ||
| The right's more tolerant of these things. | ||
| But one of the things that I told the Triggernometry podcast, when they told me that I was wrong, they were like, you're just blanketing all the left as one. | ||
| I could do that about the right. | ||
| I'm like, no, you can't. | ||
| You're wrong. | ||
| And the example is Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Donald Trump, Elon Musk, former liberals who are now on the right because the right is accepting of views that they disagree with. | ||
| For example, I'm like politically moderate. | ||
| And old school pro-choice. | ||
| And Charlie Kirk invites me on his stage at TPUSA, which is a largely Christian conservative event, and they give me my position to talk about what we largely agree with and even express my opinions on the things I don't agree with. | ||
| Because I think the right understands we're not going to all agree on everything, but we have to build coalition around the ideas that we want to succeed with together. | ||
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Most of them won't build any sort of coalition with someone like Nick Fuentes. | |
| But I think the, I think the issue with Nick is that he's, He's caustic. | ||
| If you look at, like Tim just mentioned, Hassan is every bit as critical of Israel as Fuentes is. | ||
| But the way that Fuentes delivers it is intentionally trolly. | ||
| We have to go to the uncensored. | ||
| We're two minutes over. | ||
| But we will keep talking. | ||
| Just uncensored. | ||
| So we can say more. | ||
| So smash the like button, my friends. | ||
| Share the show with everyone. | ||
| You know, we're going to the uncensored portion of the show at rumble.com slash TimCastIRL so we can continue this discussion. | ||
| You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast. | ||
| Elijah, do you want to shout anything out? | ||
| Yeah, I just wanted to say, guys, we have a brand new show Monday through Friday, 7 p.m. called The Rift. | ||
| Look up Rift TV, Rumble, and on YouTube. | ||
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| You like this show. | ||
| It airs right before, then you can, when it ends, you can just jump right onto this. | ||
| Check it out on YouTube, Rumble, Rift TV. | ||
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| We will see you all over at rumble.com slash timcast IRL right now for the uncensored portion of the show where we'll continue the conversation. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. | ||
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Thanks for hanging out. | |
| Thanks for hanging out. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| So I don't know if you remember what you were going to say. | ||
| You were about to say something. | ||
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Let me try to remember. | |
| Okay, here's the thing, though. | ||
| Okay, you can say Nick Fuentes is a troll. | ||
| He goes after a lot of these people, and that's why they apparently don't want to talk to them. | ||
| But someone like Charlie Kirk, I mean, he'll sit down and debate Gavin Newsom. | ||
| The governor of California. | ||
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Yeah, but someone who supports far-left ideology, he probably agrees with Nick Fuentes on a lot more than with Gavin Newsom, but why won't he debate Nick then? | |
| This is the same with almost all these mainstream things. | ||
| I would agree that there is a component of people don't like Nick's politics, and so there are groups that are going to be like, we don't like that guy. | ||
| We don't like his group. | ||
| We don't like his audience. | ||
| But there's a few things. | ||
| The first thing I pointed out, when Cassandra used to work here, and she's very anti-Israel, and she was doing bookings, we actually talked about bringing Nick on the show. | ||
| The problem is, Nick's fan base is, like, I've said this before, I'll say it again, and his audience, he gets mad about it. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| We get too many death threats. | ||
| Like, people fear bringing up his name because of what his audience does. | ||
| It's called getting groyped, right? | ||
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Sure. | |
| I understand. | ||
| They've done it to me too, man. | ||
| I gotta spend half a million to a million per year in security. | ||
| Now, I'm kind of a shithead who doesn't really care all that much and it gets me in trouble. | ||
| I have no problem doing a whole episode of Timcast IRL just bitching about how this job is stressful or something like I did in October. | ||
| And then a bunch of people get mad at me for it. | ||
| People are always mad at you for something. | ||
| Sure, they're allowed to be. | ||
| But, you know, I don't do what a lot of these companies do. | ||
| I don't try to play the PR route. | ||
| I don't try to just like... | ||
| I just kind of just talk shit. | ||
| And so I've had people who have outright said, mention Nick Fuentes on your show and spend 20 grand because the death threats are going to get intense. | ||
| But what are the death threats? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| When you're getting swatted and when you have people showing up at your house. | ||
| It's not him. | ||
| It's his phone. | ||
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It's his audience. | |
| And then Nick actually went on his show once and said, guys, stop spamming Tim Pool. | ||
| Like, because I was talking to Sandra, I was like, yeah, let's book him, let's do it. | ||
| And then we started getting fucking spam-bullied. | ||
| I think these people are not really his fans. | ||
| I think it's leftists trying to make people think. | ||
| This is what Nick Fuentes brings. | ||
| so that people won't associate with them. | ||
| It must be Spurgs, though. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's a lot of weird Spurgs that will just... | ||
| People in your chat tonight were like, oh, those are bots saying debate, Nick. | ||
| We're like one every 200 messages because it just pops up. | ||
| But I did see some spam tonight. | ||
| But I feel like it's kind of a cope, though, because I've had him on multiple times when he was really hostile towards... | ||
| Like his whole people were really hostile towards me. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| And, you know, I understand that, you know, these are like young guys. | ||
| They're pretty rowdy or whatever. | ||
| Like, you know, things happen. | ||
| Like, these guys were really, these are like early 20s, right? | ||
| But I don't, I think that's not the majority of Groypers or his audience has changed. | ||
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It doesn't matter. | |
| I feel like his audience has changed now and that it's a lot of like normal people. | ||
| And the point is, not that literally everybody who follows him is a psychopath, but that when we would mention him and Any capacity. | ||
| We get spammed endlessly with debate, Nick, over and over and over again. | ||
| People in the chat start complaining, saying the chat doesn't work anymore. | ||
| Then we have to talk about getting moderators. | ||
| Then we get a bunch of emails from people saying anti-Semitic slurs, we're going to fucking kill you, rape you in the ear, and other dumb shit. | ||
| We get shit that goes beyond that, where they post things that they intend to be deemed credible. | ||
| Posting addresses or sending letters to places that people shouldn't know about. | ||
| What if it's on a different platform? | ||
| What if I'm willing to take on the threat and the security on one of my platforms? | ||
| No, it's the association. | ||
| And that's why I first argued, I don't believe these are all Nick's fans because they only make it harder for him to actually do what he's doing. | ||
| Somebody who hates him is pretending to like him so that people won't associate with Nick. | ||
| I think that's a possibility. | ||
| Benefit for Tim to go through all this and take all this, go through all of the bullshit that he has to go through. | ||
| So that way he talks to Nick. | ||
| I hear you, but I don't care. | ||
| Like, having yay Nick and Milo on. | ||
| That was extremely risky, too. | ||
| I've seen you not avoid this. | ||
| I had people texting me saying, don't do it. | ||
| I think having a yay on is much more risky. | ||
| The bigger issue is, what would we debate? | ||
| I think everything. | ||
| I think the universalist worldview of, like, what's the main problems in America? | ||
| Who's really behind it? | ||
| And then he's going to go Israel. | ||
| I'm going to say, uh-huh, okay. | ||
| And then I'm going to say, what else? | ||
| And then he's going to say Israel. | ||
| I'm going to say, sure. | ||
| I don't think it would just be Israel. | ||
| I think if you – I think your moderate position – I think sometimes debates aren't about winning – You don't have – you're not important. | ||
| What you're saying is stupid. | ||
| You're bought out by Israel, Tim. | ||
| And then it's like – That's not a debate. | ||
| I'm saying people are saying that. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm saying people are saying that. | ||
| And I see Fuentes' popularity growing in terms of no matter how much he's censored. | ||
| He seems to be gaining more – I meet people all the time. | ||
| I'm not a griper. | ||
| I have my own views. | ||
| I come from a more moderate background as well. | ||
| People say I'm too race-obsessed, whatever. | ||
| I don't agree with him, particularly, number one, on his views on women and marriage and things like that. | ||
| I don't like the incel stuff. | ||
| I think it's weird. | ||
| I think we've got to be telling guys to get married, to have children. | ||
| We have disagreements. | ||
| I don't have them on all the time. | ||
| I've had them once every 18 months or something like that. | ||
| It's not something that I somehow involve. | ||
| I don't stream on his website. | ||
| But I know that there's this schism. | ||
| No, I think you're wrong. | ||
| Wouldn't that be cool? | ||
| I don't even watch shows. | ||
| I would watch that shit. | ||
| If it's like you, Charlie, and Nick, and someone else having a discussion on a table like this, holy shit, that would blow up the internet. | ||
| That'd be crazy. | ||
| There's a schism in the sense that I have a schism with Hassan or... | ||
| That'd be even fucking cooler. | ||
| Or Ethan Klein, or Sam Seder. | ||
| It's like, sure, people who disagree with each other on the internet. | ||
| Like, there's no schism. | ||
| I made the point that It's ten times as much as Israel. | ||
| And then people are like, yeah, but Israel. | ||
| And I'm like, we sold our entire manufacturing base to China over 30 years. | ||
| China owns our vitamin and antibiotic production almost entirely. | ||
| We can't produce computer chips. | ||
| We have no fucking jobs anymore. | ||
| And we have a generation that is economically dead. | ||
| And China did it. | ||
| And then they're like, yeah, but Israel. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| You're Israel first. | ||
| That's the point of what Israel first means. | ||
| You know what I think, though? | ||
| I feel like the reason why it bothers me in this whole schism right now is it seems like there's this breakdown about what people think we need to do in our country for the future. | ||
| They're not on this side. | ||
| I would put... | ||
| on the America first thing. | ||
| No, what do we call, yeah, but what do we call, I don't know what we're calling these people, these like anti-woke right people, which like, I even understand their sentiment of like where they were coming up with this idea, but they've got, they've lost their mind in terms of they're just like, they're basically just like hate Nick Fuentes and his followers and then like have, I think Lindsay called me the woke right youth recruiter, I don't know what that means. | ||
| So I'll tell you what they're doing. | ||
| It has nothing to do with Fuentes. | ||
| Fuentes is a cudgel they're using because he's considered vile and caustic. | ||
| So, because people's typical interactions with Nick is negative, they go, hey, look at Nick Fuentes, he's woke right. | ||
| Then once they establish, this is standard, it's called anchoring. | ||
| You say, woke right equals Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Then, you say, Elijah Schaefer equals woke right. | ||
| Because they want people who don't know who you are to think of you in the same way people think of Nick Fuentes. | ||
| I don't think my audience is going to do the same thing. | ||
| Like, they're going to come in and be like... | ||
| And these are degenerate liberals. | ||
| People like James Lindsay, for instance. | ||
| These are people who want to have open marriages and things like that. | ||
| They want to be liberals. | ||
| And they're losing. | ||
| It's not just wokeness that lost. | ||
| It's liberals in general. | ||
| So their plan is, first, anchor people's understanding of a catchphrase, alt-right, far-right. | ||
| That's not going to work. | ||
| Woke-right. | ||
| They're woke. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is reviled. | ||
| People of interactions with him don't like him. | ||
| Let's take all the nasty things he said, the way he acts. | ||
| I'm sorry, the dude's smarmy. | ||
| When you see the clips from him, talking like this, he comes off as smarmy, whether he intends to or not. | ||
| James Lindsay and these liberals said, call him woke right. | ||
| Claim that he's using identity politics when he talks about Jews. | ||
| Then what we'll do is we'll start broadening the tent to incorporate any conservative ideals. | ||
| Now they're claiming libertarian Dave Smith is woke right? | ||
| Candace Owens, too. | ||
| So you're tying her in with white nationalism and stuff? | ||
| That's pretty bizarre. | ||
| That was the plan. | ||
| They want to hurt conservatism in general. | ||
| To which James Lindsay admitted the end boss for what they're doing is national conservatism. | ||
| I did see them admit that. | ||
| I think it's weird, too, because I'm not conservative. | ||
| I want to remind people. | ||
| I think it's just because I worked at a conservative network at Blaze that people thought that I was conservative. | ||
| It's like, I'm from Los Angeles, you know? | ||
| I always have a joke that I'm like a California conservative. | ||
| Like, like, but I've become more, And I would say a lot of, we need conservatism. | ||
| My personal life, the way I am, I'm not a very conservative person. | ||
| And I'm very open about it on all of my shows. | ||
| You can listen to my lifestyle, how I live, what I've done in my life. | ||
| But I have seen, hey, you know what? | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
| We don't want to promote this kind of stuff. | ||
| And then they look at me and they're like, I'm just telling young people, hey, you don't want to make the choices I've made. | ||
| These conservatives are right. | ||
| You should get married and you should not sleep around and you shouldn't do drugs and you should establish your family. | ||
| And they're like, hey, what is Elijah doing? | ||
| He's trying to build a strong nation. | ||
| I'm like, well, yeah, because I look at my life. | ||
| Like I have so many consequences and issues and things that I have to deal with because I've made – And it's like, I don't want people to go down that road. | ||
| I don't want my kids to go down that road. | ||
| Why am I bad? | ||
| Here's the issue. | ||
| Conservatives are winning. | ||
| Woke is not the only thing being cast out. | ||
| So imagine you're a liberal who wants to whack off the pictures of dogs. | ||
| And then you find out that conservatives want to ban porn. | ||
| Not even thinking about the weird shit these liberals want to do. | ||
| For these – you know, Jack Posible calls them woke light. | ||
| I call them woke right. | ||
| They are the right side of the woke faction. | ||
| They want to – just like the phrase alt-right, they want to create a term that will terrify disaffected liberals into not associating with certain conservative personalities. | ||
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Yeah, of course. | |
| And they – it's funny because I'm a thorn in their side particularly because there's nothing they could say that would have me be in that faction. | ||
| I am not a conservative. | ||
| I'm, I guess, moderate with some conservative values, some liberal values. | ||
| And so they can't call me woke, right? | ||
| But they're trying to. | ||
| I've seen them say it before. | ||
| They're trying to, but it doesn't fucking make sense. | ||
| Because I don't go on the weird Jews shit. | ||
| And I'm not a staunch conservative Christian. | ||
| I'm not a Christian. | ||
| And so they're sitting there going, fuck, fuck. | ||
| Tim Pool is supposed to be agreeing with us because he's a disaffected liberal. | ||
| And I'm like, you're liars. | ||
| You have bad ideas, you are losing the culture war, and you deserve to because your ideas are fucking retarded. | ||
| And then they go, uh, woke right? | ||
| Have you seen Lindsay? | ||
| He's actually the... | ||
| He has a shirt that he wears. | ||
| And I feel bad because I used to like Lindsay, too. | ||
| And I know I'm not the most likable person, so I'm not claiming that everyone should like me. | ||
| You're plenty likable. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| The Babylon Bee is woke, right? | ||
| This is what's blowing my mind. | ||
| And I mentioned this. | ||
| These aren't retards. | ||
| I know the chat might disagree, but their people would say, I'm retarded. | ||
| I know these guys, and they have a They also have reputations to show they've built things. | ||
| They've outsmarted academic journals. | ||
| They've built incredible satire sites that have been banned by US politicians, have lobbied social media sites to ban them because they were so threatened by their humor. | ||
| And it's like, to end on this, to kind of throw away your reputation, to try to stop young people from trying to earn back their birthright. | ||
| Look, I'm a little bit uncomfortable sometimes with my own view. | ||
| Some of the things that I've had to accept as true that I wish weren't has been really difficult in my political journey. | ||
| There's so many things that I wish could just be liberalism, that we could just accept like James Lindsay's worldview, that we can just kind of do whatever we want and it's not going to have eternal consequences. | ||
| I wish that were true because I'd love to not think that some of the moral choices I made in my life weren't wrong. | ||
| I'd love to think that I can do whatever I want. | ||
| But it's like I've had to come as I've grown up being like, you know what? | ||
| There are so many unseen consequences for living a gay, liberal, godless lifestyle that really affects these countries for the negative. | ||
| And this is a real problem. | ||
| People feel like shit. | ||
| No one's happy. | ||
| No one likes their life. | ||
| We're going to go to callers, but I do want to mention one thing. | ||
| We have callers now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Babylon, these guys, they are woke, right? | ||
| I define woke as the cult-like adherence to the liberal social orthodoxy. | ||
| And when I was talking to Bill Maher, I mentioned this. | ||
| The reason why, that's how I define it, and I believe I'm correct. | ||
| You get all these people on the right who are like, woke means like critical race, they're wrong. | ||
| That doesn't explain why they support Islam. | ||
| Islam is a dominant, global, militant, theocratic, fundamentalist structure. | ||
| They are not oppressed in any stretch of the imagination. | ||
| So why is Islam being supported? | ||
| That makes no sense. | ||
| Ukraine. | ||
| It makes no sense to support U.S. military and NATO. | ||
| Like, NATO is not an oppressed group. | ||
| It is literally just the narrative machine they're told to adhere to. | ||
| So when the Babylon Bee and these people come out and start attacking conservatives in a disparate fashion on wildly different ideologies, Dave Smith and Nick Fuentes probably don't like each other. | ||
| Dave Smith's Jewish. | ||
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No, they're friends. | |
| Are they actually friends? | ||
| Okay, well, I stand corrected. | ||
| What I should say is, They're different ideologies. | ||
| So how could they all be the same political faction? | ||
| They're not. | ||
| So then why would any group come out and claim they're all one faction? | ||
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Well, they do all criticize Zionism and Israeli influence. | |
| And so that is their only—so then the only concern that the likes of Babylon being James Lindsay has is there's a group of people concerned about Israel? | ||
| I think that's honestly what Seth Dillon's issue is. | ||
| And they're trying to claim it's not. | ||
| And that's the point. | ||
| They're woke. | ||
| They have a social orthodoxy to adhere to. | ||
| Anybody who deviates must be cancelled and is part of the other group. | ||
| But we do gotta go to cause because we are going wrong. | ||
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They're just gatekeepers. | |
| They're trying to gatekeepers. | ||
| Let's start with Merck. | ||
| What is up? | ||
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Hello. | |
| Can you guys hear me? | ||
| What's up, man? | ||
| I can't hear you. | ||
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Excellent. | |
| Well, my question My question is for Elijah. | ||
| um so all due respect you feel like a white race better race baiter excuse me um like a jesse jackson for star wars obsessed computer nerds right sure yeah it's just an american Construction for race because they didn't want people to come here as Irish or Indian or Chinese. | ||
| They wanted people to be American. | ||
| So my question is, why do you care so much about white people? | ||
| Well, first of all, thank you for pointing out that I'm white. | ||
| Yes, I am. | ||
| And as a race baiter, I mean, what have I said that's baiting people that's untrue about race either tonight or previously that you disagree with? | ||
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I guess I just mostly that you bring up white people so much. | |
| Yeah, because there's so much against white people institutionally in our country that somebody's got to speak out for them. | ||
| So not a lot of people do, but I just choose to do that with my limited time because I can only choose a few topics to care about. | ||
| Since my kids are white and I feel like their future is disadvantaged because of their skin color, I'm going to fight against the discrimination against white people. | ||
| I'm not saying any other people are not discriminated against. | ||
| I'm not saying that there aren't other problems. | ||
| And I don't think white people are the only people with value in the world. | ||
| But, I mean, quite frankly, it might be selfish. | ||
| But I care about my family and my kids more than anyone else. | ||
| So, if that makes sense. | ||
| But I don't know what else. | ||
| supposed to care about black people more? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Does that answer your question? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Can we hear it? | ||
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Not really. | |
| Why can't white people just stand up for themselves? | ||
| I think Elijah is sexually attracted to white people. | ||
| Unfortunately. | ||
| I made two more of them. | ||
| How about if you rephrase the question so that way we can... | ||
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He's trying to say that race is a social construct. | |
| Was that what it was said? | ||
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Yeah, he was trying to imply that this whole thing of, like, white's like an arbitrary category, blah, blah, blah. | |
| No, it's not. | ||
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Race isn't real. | |
| No, no, it's really not, man. | ||
| I think there's a Filipino and a Korean person. | ||
| I don't know the exact race of people. | ||
| They just had a child and they're eight years old and they can't find bone marrow. | ||
| She needs a bone marrow transplant. | ||
| But because of the rare genetic racial intermixing sexually, their kid is unable to find a match to this rare intermixing. | ||
| There's a consequence of a certain genetic decomposition that can happen, not just with white people, right? | ||
| certain things can happen negatively. | ||
| I mean, in terms of white being a racial construct, We have different technically ethnic backgrounds, but as a racial construct, it is a real group of people. | ||
| Some people can have light skin, but we all know that it is. | ||
| There are dispositions. | ||
| Other races acknowledge that. | ||
| That's why deconstructing whiteness is a big thing on the left. | ||
| We know that there's a culture, behavior, architecture, a way of life and a religion that goes along with that genetic component. | ||
| Genetics isn't the only precursor or perpetuation of conduct or behavior, but it is a leading force, in fact. | ||
| Genetics definitely do affect who you are. | ||
| Just like black people lack certain enzymes that can interfere with serotonin breakdown, which means that sometimes under stressful situations, a portion of them can act impulsively because it's more stressful for them than it is for white people. | ||
| Some of them, not all of them, that is an individual genetic component. | ||
| Asian people with Asian glow, a lot of them lack alcohol dehydrogenase, so they have a different breakdown of alcohol, which can affect their behavior while drunk. | ||
| Racial constructs. | ||
| Our kind of fake race is very, very real. | ||
| It's not the only factor that matters, but if the left is saying race matters and they're caring enough that they want to deconstruct people who look like me, destroy our way of life, and disadvantage us, then I'm going to fight where the battle is, and that's a huge battle that's going on, and I want to fight it. | ||
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That's all I'm saying. | |
| You know what's really funny is if you ask any skateboarder about the racial differences in skateboarding, they'll tell you. | ||
| Asians skate what we call technical skating, which is... | ||
| It's not absolute. | ||
| But most Asians that you end up seeing will do really technical advanced tricks on the ground. | ||
| So outside, you have a small ledge off the ground. | ||
| You'll see someone like Daywon Song is a great example. | ||
| He's an Asian dude. | ||
| And he's going to do a fakie 360 flip wheelie. | ||
| We call them manuals, but bounce on two wheels and then 360 flip out. | ||
| The board spins 360. | ||
| It's technical. | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| Black dudes. | ||
| Almost always have super big jumps. | ||
| They ollie super high and they do switch heel flips. | ||
| I'm not trying to be a dick. | ||
| It's just that skateboarders and white guys tend to huck themselves off big buildings and things like that. | ||
| It's not absolute. | ||
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It must just be because of culture. | |
| Wait, what's your ethnicity of the collar? | ||
| Just so I know. | ||
| Are you white or what's your ethnicity? | ||
| Do you have a country? | ||
| Is there an ethnic background? | ||
| Particularly because there are black Europeans. | ||
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I'm probably what's considered to be a European mutt. | |
| So a lot of German, Polish, Irish. | ||
| White. | ||
| Did you give your name, by the way? | ||
| Merck. | ||
| Are you being anonymous? | ||
| Or do you want to give your full name? | ||
| Because that would help me to know your actual ethnicity. | ||
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What's your last name? | |
| What country is it from? | ||
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It's very German. | |
| Okay, it's very German. | ||
| Okay, so you're German. | ||
| So you're white. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Welcome to the club. | ||
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I just want to add, I wouldn't say that race is fake, but using skin color as the primary indicator just feels... | |
| So I talk about white Europeans. | ||
| Depending on when you ask them, they'll give you a different answer. | ||
| Yeah, I know, but I don't consider that to be I don't consider why Hispanics to be white. | ||
| So, I mean, like skin color isn't, We're talking about the white race, not just people who have light skin. | ||
| This is what the left believes. | ||
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An albino African is not white. | |
| Right. | ||
| The leftist view of white is exactly this, that white is a social class that doesn't include, say, sometimes it doesn't include Jews, it doesn't include white Hispanics, and it doesn't include albino. | ||
| Yeah, I'd say we use white as a euphemism for European or Eurocentric heritage, which is why we'd consider Australia to be a white country. | ||
| It's in Asia, but technically it's Australia. | ||
| It's its own continent, but it's in the Asian quadrant of the world. | ||
| I know it's its own continent, so don't misquote me on that. | ||
| I'm just saying they're not Asian, and obviously we know there's a difference between when we say Australian, we're not talking about aboriginals, which is why we call them aboriginals. | ||
| We know there's a difference racially. | ||
| Japanese people are white. | ||
| I would say they're fair-skinned. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I guess you could make the argument. | ||
| They are not actually white, as we use the word white. | ||
| But when you go to Japan, you'll find a lot of people, they're pale. | ||
| They're very pale. | ||
| They have light skin. | ||
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Good point. | |
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| And the question is, do I consider Nick Fuentes to be white? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| It is a good question. | ||
| Go with the funny answer. | ||
| Go with the funny answer. | ||
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Yeah, I don't know. | |
| I mean, those are the funny, that's the question you should have asked. | ||
| He's an off-white supremacist. | ||
| An off-white supremacist. | ||
| They call it eggshell. | ||
| Eggshell supremacist. | ||
| Merck, did you want to add anything or shout anything out? | ||
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No, thanks for taking my question. | |
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you for calling in. | ||
| All right, next up we have loafers. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
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Hello, everyone. |
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