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tim pool
The FBI has released I believe 112 pages of the Transgender Shooters Manifesto detailing anti-Christian diatribes, lists, maps, faculty, etc.
We are now getting a glimpse into what was actually going on with this unwell individual.
And of course, this is just another day in the new FBI under the Trump administration where they're actually giving us transparency and exposing what's been going on.
Because under the Biden admin, much of this was covered up.
And even during Trump's first administration, Comey.
Well, let's just talk about Comey.
Kash Patel says he orchestrated the largest criminal conspiracy in this country, helped facilitate the Russiagate hoax, and as head of the FBI, was involved in what appears to be, according to the GOP, a cover-up of certain individuals lying to Congress to push that Russia hoax.
Now we have Comey saying that the GOP is white supremacist adjacent, whatever that means.
This is what we get, right?
So big news today.
Donald Trump was asked about Joe Biden having cancer and said, I don't really feel bad for him, which was kind of brutal, kind of funny.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Kelsey Sharon.
unidentified
Hello, friends.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
unidentified
I do a lot of things, but I am from the communist country of Canada.
tim pool
We're banned in Canada.
unidentified
I'm banned too.
I feel like I'm in welcome company here.
tim pool
We just found out about this because of you.
unidentified
I know.
I'm so sorry about that.
But no, I'm a podcaster.
I have a show called The Kelsey Sharon Perspective.
I'm an author.
I'm a sub stack as well.
I'm also a combat veteran and I work with professional athletes and I'm a mental strength coach as well.
tim pool
You had tried posting the link to our website.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And it says people in Canada can't see it.
unidentified
Why would we want to be able to see freedom?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, we will be greeted as liberators when we march on Canada.
unidentified
Listen, when you come to the door, which is two feet from the border, I will welcome you in with open arms.
tim pool
See?
See?
That proves it.
unidentified
I would like to be the 51st state.
I've said it once.
I'll say it again.
tim pool
All right.
Well, it should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Brett hanging out.
brett dasovic
What is going on, guys?
Brett, normally pop culture crisis Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
We don't want Canada as the 51st state because the voting is going to become even more lopsided if we introduce communist Canadians as voters for America.
It's a horrible idea.
unidentified
What if we're voting for your people?
brett dasovic
But you're not going.
You might.
unidentified
I will.
brett dasovic
But the rest of the country won't.
unidentified
But you don't know who I know.
phil labonte
There's only one of you.
Anyways, I'm Phil Labonte, lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's a story from the Postmillennial.
FBI releases 112 pages of writing from Nashville trans school shooters showing maps.
Faculty lists and anti-Christian diatribes.
They said the FBI on Thursday released over 100 pages, of course 112, related to the Nashville Covenant School shooting, which killed three children and three staff members.
112 pages released by the FBI were found by law enforcement in Hale's car.
The release comes after a long legal battle by Tennessee Star and the Tennessee Firearms Association to make the documents available to the public.
Among the pages released by the FBI were redacted pages that had maps of the Covenant School, including the first floor and second floor, as well as lists of faculty members at the school and dates that the school was on break for the 22-23 school calendar.
Hale wrote about feeling being born wrong, scribbling on one page, why does my brain not work right, because I was born wrong.
A sketch of pages includes notes on the beginning shooters and defensive pistol, etc.
They go on to mention that there was, of course, anti-Christian diatribes.
And I guess for personal and professional reasons, we're not going to show the manifesto.
It's available at the Postmillennial for those that want to go through these pages, but we're not going to dive into it other than to talk about the reason why this was covered up.
And in my opinion, it's because of two principal things.
One, the anti-Christian bias.
This is hate crime territory.
This should be listed among all of these NGOs that track all the hate and everything as anti-Christian hatred.
Of course, it's never going to make the press because it goes against the narrative.
And the other issue, of course, was the leftist ideology of being born wrong resulting in this person engaging in this kind of behavior is damaging to the leftist gender narrative and blank slate narrative.
So the FBI at the time was probably like, let's just not show anybody this.
But as most people know, if they don't disclose the identity of the individual, depending on the story, people make assumptions about what the race of the person would be.
So whenever there's a story and it says a white man did a thing, people are like, oh, OK.
And then if they don't mention the race, people make assumptions like I have a feeling.
brett dasovic
That's the Ann Coulter rule, right?
unidentified
Is it?
phil labonte
It kind of is the Ann Coulter rule, yeah.
tim pool
Did she make that up or what?
brett dasovic
It was always referred to me as the Ann Coulter rule.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I think she might be the first person to have actually articulated it.
It was kind of like people kind of had that sense, and she was the first person to kind of be like, hey.
unidentified
To say it out loud?
phil labonte
Yeah, kind of actually articulate it and make it a thing.
tim pool
In Sweden, there was a, I think it was, it might have been an Afghan national who was in the country, committed some crime.
And so they blurred the person, but then changed the pixelated colors of the skin to a white person.
unidentified
Oh!
phil labonte
Yeah.
brett dasovic
Also, they've lightened pictures for people who are of a certain skin tone.
unidentified
Why are you looking at me like that?
brett dasovic
I'm just looking around.
tim pool
Okay.
phil labonte
That's what happens when people talk to you.
unidentified
Is that what it is?
I don't know.
There was a conversation where you weren't here yet.
That's why you missed this.
phil labonte
enough.
brett dasovic
The thing that I find is that this is the first thing you start to realize once you start actually paying attention to the news and seeing the way that they...
Whether somebody's mentioned is their race, their gender, things like that.
unidentified
Makes sense.
tim pool
The issue, of course, here being this is damaging to the left social order.
And so here's a great point, right?
The ADL has their hate map.
They call it a heat map.
Right-wing is listed as anti-government, white supremacist, and other.
Other.
unidentified
What the hell is other?
tim pool
They just basically are like, we are going to call every act of violence right-wing.
unidentified
Perfect.
tim pool
And then this is what they do.
The left is a monolith of goodness, and anything bad is right-wing.
unidentified
Totally.
tim pool
I'm like, right-wing anarchists are the same thing as authoritarian white supremacists?
How is that right-wing?
Doesn't matter.
phil labonte
It's all just a narrative-building device.
The point is, anything that is bad or violent or looked at as antisocial, that is just classified as right-wing.
Whether or not it's actually right-wing is irrelevant.
The point is, to classify it as right-wing, get people to talk about it as right-wing, and kind of speak it into existence.
The left loves to do that with any number of topics, but when it comes to violence, In particular, they really do.
Anything that isn't overtly You talked about the leftist idea of being born in the wrong body.
brett dasovic
How old was the shooter?
I forget how old the shooter was.
Like you take so much of the confusion and the kind of angst that comes from being a young teenager, a child, and you've turned it into this hyper-politicized means of...
unidentified
Well, they've made it significantly worse to the point in which you get shooters like this.
This probably, I mean, I argue it might not have happened if we weren't living in this kind of age that we are now.
When individuals are constantly slow-drip the idea they're in the wrong body, it's going to create this more than just like your...
More than just like delusion in your mind, but you're constantly fed this information that just is making you question your entire existence and your entire reality.
How could this not be caused by these left ideas and slow dripped into these children and not, how are we not taking accountability for what we're teaching them and going, oh, they're shooters.
Of course they are.
phil labonte
The left still hasn't acknowledged that.
To tell children that they're born in the wrong body is detrimental to children's development.
We had someone this morning on the culture war defending the idea that trans children exist and that it's better to help transition teenagers and stuff.
And it's just absolutely not.
tim pool
I think she deflected on the issue of children.
phil labonte
Oh, did she?
tim pool
Yeah, because she kept going back to adults, and I was like, we don't disagree.
Some conservatives, I don't know.
unidentified
But when you say children, what was her classification in terms of age for children?
Minor or...
Because minor can be very, very different in a lot of places.
tim pool
17 and under.
But we're talking about the United States.
unidentified
No, no, fair enough.
But I'm saying, though, even in the United States, for them to classify, right?
So it's like for hormones, they'll only give, I think it's, what is it, above eight years old.
They consider minors to be very specific.
And that's why I'm asking, like, if she was going to say, no, it's adults only.
But what is, because the left a lot of times deems children to be adults.
Like, there's just no way cognitively they can.
phil labonte
Particularly when it's convenient for them.
They want children to vote.
They want to say that children can make decisions that would take them away from their family, take the power away, the authority away from their parents.
But when it comes to things like, you know.
People in their 20s are like, oh, well, you know, I didn't know.
when you're out in the real world and it's like, well, you have responsibilities.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Was that a viral video?
phil labonte
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, yeah, and it's it really kind of shocked me but at the same time People don't want to acknowledge that they're adults in their mid to upper 20s.
But again, this is all a mechanism of convenience.
It's when it's convenient to say, no, I'm not an adult, or when it's convenient to say, well, those children actually should be allowed to vote because they're 16. And, well, they're the ones that have the most.
go on the line because they're young and they have their whole lives, so bad policies now are going to affect them most.
brett dasovic
But then, of course, when they finish college and they want you to pay their loans back, they say, I didn't understand what I was getting into when I took out those student loans.
It is a mechanism of power.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's a mechanism to avoid responsibility, which is something the left loves to do, something that I think there are probably a lot of groups of people that love to do it.
And you see it not just...
you bring up the school stuff, there's other cases where they're...
I'm sorry.
I had a specific issue I was going to bring up, but I totally slipped my mind now, so if someone's got something else, please.
unidentified
Well, that's it.
tim pool
The conversation's over.
phil labonte
Done.
My fault.
My bad.
brett dasovic
Phil is the one who made me realize that sometimes you can just forget your thought and be like, lost it.
Go on.
Otherwise, I'm like, um, um, um, um, I'm like, get it, get it, get it.
Nope, just, no, I forgot it.
phil labonte
It's perfectly human to do that, especially with how much we talk.
tim pool
You make a bit of rage where you're like, and he was...
unidentified
Yeah, you can use my hammer next time.
brett dasovic
I'm sure there have been many points that I've tried to drive home that don't land because it was just something that filled in the blank when there was something else there and I lost it.
phil labonte
To the point, it is true that the left does do things or try to make arguments that absolve them of responsibility when it comes to adult things and bestows responsibility on children that they could never ever actually.
tim pool
I think we talk about the divide in the culture war and the conversation we're having on the culture war show this morning about what it means to be left or right.
There's varying degrees or varying definitions of what separates left or right, but I largely think it's – It's largely just people who are logical, rational, follow the news and are looking for solutions.
And the left is a psychotic murmuration of cult-like lunatics who believe random things that don't make sense.
unidentified
And how dare you not actually agree with them if you want to be in the left?
Otherwise, you're just left out in the cold.
So where do you go?
brett dasovic
I feel like that's something that I point out a lot with people when they say that's liberal.
And I say, no, that's leftism.
That's not liberalism in many ways.
I still have plenty of things that I'd like to have a discussion about that would have been considered left-leaning ideas.
phil labonte
That's a debate that I gave up a long time ago.
I'm of the opinion that liberal doesn't mean leftist, but I'm also not going to fight with everybody.
Because everybody is like, oh, own the libs and blah blah blah.
tim pool
Right.
What is the word used to describe?
And anybody who says something like leftists and the liberal side love to use...
They have multiple definitions of a single word, but they will apply a different definition to win the debate.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So they'll say you're – you know, it's Lamont and Bailey.
He's a white supremacist.
What are you talking about?
He's a non-white and he's spoken against white supremacy.
No, no.
I mean the classical academic version of white supremacy of privilege from colonizer history.
And they're like, OK, shut up.
unidentified
It's too far.
brett dasovic
This is the first time that somebody like gave me the side eye because they said that somebody couldn't be racist unless they were white.
And I was like, I'm not – I'm not entertaining that debate.
If we can't have a discussion around the idea that everyone can be racist to another person, then we're operating on different wavelengths here.
And usually that ends up being why those types of back and forth, even with somebody who you may want to enter into a discussion in good faith with, don't work because you can never get past the actual definitions for the words you're having in the argument.
tim pool
The purpose for changing the definition of racism was to realign people based on what they were taught.
You know, millennial youth, you're told racism is bad.
Don't be racist.
Then when you get older, you're like, I am not racist.
I will try to treat everybody equally.
And then some academic comes by or some leftist and they're like, I want you to vote for me.
And they say, I don't like your policies.
They go, you're racist.
It goes, actually, I'm not.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
tim pool
You don't know what racist means.
Racist means something different.
Now, does that apply to you?
Well, it kind of does.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
tim pool
So you admit you're racist.
That's the point.
So they can force people to, you know...
brett dasovic
So you're trying to rewire the brains of an entire generation.
It's why people talk about how the 90s were as great as they were.
And in a lot of ways, people felt as if racism was largely a non-starter, a non-issue in America.
And it's been re-injected into the culture by changing the definition and actually trying to change the way in which an entire generation of people judge those that they interact We're going to jump to this next story from Mediaite.
tim pool
My friends, in talking about what the political factions in the culture war are, let me just say there are two.
Those who feel sorry for Joe Biden's cancer and those who don't really feel sorry for him.
And this is Donald Trump.
Oh, come on, media.
You always do this.
peter doocy
And I asked Caroline this yesterday, but I want to ask you directly.
So many of the things that you're trying to do are held up in court right now.
tim pool
Okay, I don't think this clip is actually related to that quote, and the quote is funnier, so let's just...
And Trump chuckled and embarked on a nearly five-minute whirlwind response that concluded with an attack on Biden's handling of the border.
And then, without mentioning Biden's diagnosis, Trump said the people should not feel sorry for the ex-president.
And I don't believe it was Joe Biden.
Look, he's been sort of a moderate person over his lifetime, not a smart person, but a somewhat vicious person, I will say.
If you feel sorry for him, don't feel so sorry because he's vicious.
What he did with his political opponent and all of the people that he hurt, he hurt a lot of people, and so I don't really feel sorry for him.
Trump's remarks were a far cry from his statement in the immediate aftermath of Biden's diagnosis, which is, Melania and I are saddening to hear about Joe Biden's recent medical diagnosis.
He wrote, We extend our warmest and best wishes to Jill Well, that was for sure written by a staffer, and that's why he is now saying the honest truth.
unidentified
I don't actually really feel bad.
Nobody believed him when he said, oh, we're so sorry that you've got cancer.
They've known about it for a long time.
Does anybody actually feel sorry?
They've known.
This is elder abuse at best.
brett dasovic
Yeah, Jill Biden is responsible for a lot.
tim pool
Joe knew.
unidentified
Of course he knew.
tim pool
Dr. Drew is saying this, I did an interview with him, that there's no way this was, we did a routine exam and found cancer and it's metastasized to the bone.
He's like, that takes years.
Even if it's aggressive, it's a couple years.
unidentified
Well, there was clips where he had mentioned it several times.
I have cancer.
I had cancer.
No, he knew.
tim pool
He said, I have cancer in one clip.
unidentified
Say that.
tim pool
He outright said, I and so many others have cancer.
unidentified
But that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
They knew about this.
The media came out and they were like, no, he's talking about his skin lesions.
Once again, I asked Dr. Joe, I'm like, you're a doctor.
And he's like, literally no one considers a skin lesion having cancer.
unidentified
No.
brett dasovic
His dermatologist told him so.
How do you feel about this approach to politicians when it comes to having a certain level of sympathy for someone who has a diagnosis like this after time in office, which has been marked by a lot of mistrust from the public and a lot of waste that has gone on and made America worse?
Because on the average day for me, it could go either way.
there are days where it's like, I feel like you lose humanity if you don't at least learn to accept and understand and feel empathy for the suffering of another person.
But on other days I'm like, politicians are scum.
tim pool
Do you believe in God?
brett dasovic
Um, I'm agnostic.
tim pool
Agnostic.
Do you believe in God?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Uh, Phil, you believe in God?
phil labonte
I'm, I'm also agnostic.
tim pool
Agnostic.
Um, okay, so I'll, I'll just ask you, do you think God intervenes in our earthly dwelling?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I would just say that if you are someone who believes that God smites...
Smitten.
Smitten?
phil labonte
Smote.
tim pool
Smote.
unidentified
And I would take it a step further.
tim pool
Who has been smote?
unidentified
Smote.
I'd argue it took a little long.
tim pool
I, you know...
I don't know.
Having a very serious cancer that weighs you down and is damaging is...
unidentified
For sure.
I mean, look, I think it would be I think we should be looking more at the people around him that hid it from him and hid it from the American people and lied to the American people.
The entire globe while signing his name on documents that he had no clue what was being signed.
I think I don't necessarily feel bad for him.
I feel like the people around him should be held to account for what they did to this man and put him in the position when he was this sick this often.
That's disgusting to me.
I don't feel bad for...
That will sit in your cells.
But I also do believe that the people around him are the bad people, the people that have lied continuously and put people into positions where other Americans have died over stupidity because of ignorance.
tim pool
Yeah, I think Joe Biden was smote.
unidentified
That too.
brett dasovic
I don't know.
I guess for me, when I think about it from that perspective, most of the time, if I'm thinking about my own empathy or sympathy towards another person, it's not about whether I think they're going to get what's coming to them.
It's about what it does to myself or who I am if I start to become too vengeful towards someone, even if I disagree with them heavily.
Now, again, that goes back and forth depending on the day and the mood I'm in.
But I lean towards showing empathy and sympathy for most people.
unidentified
You can show empathy and sympathy for most people.
But I think you can also trust in a greater that something else will take care of it for you.
It's not on you to handle.
It's just let it be.
tim pool
But where's the line?
brett dasovic
That's what I'm saying.
I don't have an answer for you on that because this is purely from an introspective standpoint where it's like, yeah, Hitler's the obvious example.
I have no empathy or sympathy for Hitler.
But for me, it's a question that would come up dependent on the situation.
Adam Schiff.
Tons of empathy.
Endless amounts.
I'm going to write a book about it.
tim pool
But to any degree, sympathy for a man?
Jamie Raskin is a better example.
brett dasovic
Look, I don't have an answer for you.
I just think that for most people, especially if you're on the internet a lot, we get desensitized to everything that's going on in the world.
It's good to at least ask yourself.
To be introspective about how you feel about these people that you've never met, but they affect your life.
tim pool
I would add this, too.
There's no real way to understand whether a person was smote or not.
Because sometimes good people get cancer, you know what I mean?
And we're not going to be like this good, God-fearing man who dedicated his life getting cancer.
But some people will have...
So it's like if you think a bad person had a bad thing happen to him, it's just your personal opinion, I guess, without any bearing in reality or fact.
brett dasovic
That happened when the George Floyd statue got struck by lightning and everybody's like – Was it the mural that got struck and they're like, it was a sign from God?
I'm like, or it was just a weather event.
tim pool
Oh, dude, you know, it's crazy to me.
Like, we've got this video we'll talk about later with Sasquatch.
And obviously it's some guy.
But it's funny either way.
But I have had experiences in my life that seemingly defy our understanding of science, physics, and reason.
And there have been moments witnessed by all that seem astronomically unlikely that I believe shows there is something beyond what we understand the universe to be.
Largely, the secular folks will view the universe as this universal code, physics and structure of how things go.
But then you get a brick wall with a picture of George Floyd having a crown and lightning strikes just in the middle, blowing up only one layer of the two-layer wall, only the mural of George Floyd, leaving the rest of the building intact.
And it was a storm that moved in, lightning struck, and then the storm dissipated.
phil labonte
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
tim pool
And I look at that and I say, the question is, how do you define what a miracle is?
So I've asked theologians this.
Is a miracle, say, like a ham sandwich appearing out of thin air and flopping on the table, like, wow, how did that happen?
Or is a miracle something that is seemingly defying all odds and occurring in front of you, but still within the realm of possibility?
When you have, it was a brick wall with two layers of bricks.
The middle of the building, which should not be struck by lightning, was struck by lightning, destroying only the mural of George Floyd of the Crown and leaving the rest of the mural intact.
And I'm just like, I look at that like an act of God.
When people were like, God's making hurricanes because you're gay, I'm like, I don't know.
unidentified
That's taking it too far.
tim pool
But when, like, the lightning strike, I'm like...
That's a little specific.
unidentified
Just sending a message directly.
phil labonte
Very specific.
unidentified
This hyper pinpoint.
tim pool
I've also experienced things personally that seemingly defy our understanding of physics, and I think a lot of people have.
It's just, it's hard to track and control for these things and understand what they are.
And then I wonder if a lot of these, you know, directly atheist individuals who are like, we're wet robots, nothing is magic.
You know, they've never had an experience.
unidentified
And I wonder if it's they've either had experiences and it's been so overwhelming.
It's kind of like when you see something so hard to deal with that your whole body goes, there's no way that could be real.
There's no way that that could have happened.
They shut down and go the complete opposite way.
That would make sense, at least for me.
tim pool
Maybe.
I don't know.
I will just say that even here at the studio, this is a brand new building, we have had strange occurrences and omens and like for personal reasons we can't – It's not my business.
But let's just say, like, poltergeist phenomenon has occurred.
unidentified
Oh, fantastic.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Love that for me.
tim pool
And been witnessed by numerous people.
And everybody was frozen with a shocked look on their face.
And this is, like, recently.
unidentified
Is it just in this building specifically?
Yes.
On the property?
That was my next question.
Well, what was here first?
tim pool
It wasn't.
So where we are wasn't like a direct conflict zone in the way that like Antietam was.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
But we have found a bayonet during the construction process.
unidentified
Did you bring it in here?
tim pool
No, I don't know where it is.
Yeah, we found a rusted bayonet.
phil labonte
That's sick.
tim pool
We think it was used.
phil labonte
That's even more sick.
tim pool
We think it broke off in use.
unidentified
Oh, buddy.
Do you have anything inside the property?
tim pool
There is a grave site on the property.
Okay, well...
unidentified
Do you let people know that before they decide to come to the show?
tim pool
Well, there are graves all over the place.
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, there's several tombs from the 1800s on the property that have fallen to disrepair and the ground has shifted and they've fallen over.
Yeah.
unidentified
I didn't bring enough sage for this.
phil labonte
Jesus.
tim pool
I don't know.
Anyway, long story short, I think sometimes people get smoked.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Look, I mean, as far as Joe Biden goes, this may sound kind of callous, but he's an old guy, and I never met him.
So it's not that I don't care, and I don't feel malice towards the guy, but at the same time, it's not going to change my life.
So it's kind of just like, you know, old people get sick and die.
unidentified
I also think, too, based on what he's done to the nation and the impact that he has left, him dying is tragic.
Any person suffering is tragic.
But it does not amount to the amount of suffering he's imposed on nations and people and his own people and hasn't asked them how they felt or how it affected them or if they should care.
But we're supposed to have deep empathy for the man that imposed left, right and center.
I'm not saying you.
I'm just saying, you know, we should all feel bad.
Okay, what about everything he did over the past terms that he was here and then before that and then before that?
Like, I just don't understand.
where the line is.
phil labonte
He's just an old politician.
Right.
And like, there are people that kind of wrap their lives into politics and average people can just be like, oh, drag and go about their lives because that's kind of, that's actually the proper response to finding out someone that you didn't know who's lived a very long life is their life is coming to an end.
Well, that's what happens to people.
unidentified
People die.
Yeah, they die.
We're not all Brian Johnson.
We're not looking to live 100%.
brett dasovic
I guess maybe my point was more that when politicians get sick, especially controversial politicians, I'm speaking more to the people that tend to take pleasure or glee.
in that and that's a different thing entirely so I guess that was maybe more the point that I was trying to make and kind of failed in my job is that I try to weigh my kind of antagonism that I feel towards all politicians and make sure that I level myself out so that I don't I mean, this is a safe space.
Make a video just yelling at the sun.
phil labonte
Yeah, you know?
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from the New York Times.
Now, I'll start off with a caveat of often I just don't believe when these stories are so bold.
They have lied about Donald Trump so often it's hard to just assume the worst.
But let's read the story and break it down.
Trump taps Palantir to compile data on Americans.
Now, this story has sparked a lot of anger, even among people on the right, where it appears that Trump is working with Peter Thiel to create a data sharing system, I guess, using Palantir to try to do it.
Track all of your personal information.
unidentified
Oh, perfect.
tim pool
The New York Times reports the Trump administration has expanded Palantir's work with the government, spreading the company's technology, which could easily merge data on Americans through agencies.
In March, Trump signed an executive order calling for the federal government to share data across agencies, raising questions over whether he might compile a master list of personal information.
Trump has not publicly talked about the effort since.
Behind the scenes, officials have quietly put technological building blocks into place to enable his plan.
In particular, they have turned to one company, Palantir, the data analysis and technology firm.
The Trump admin has expanded Palantir's work across the federal government in recent months.
The company has received more than $113 million in federal government spending since Trump took office.
Reps from Palantir are also speaking to at least two other agencies, SSA and the IRS, about buying its technology, according to six government officials.
Now you see?
Right away, how they lie.
unidentified
That doesn't feel good.
tim pool
Let me break this down.
They're lying.
Don't believe the headline.
They just, they spill the beans.
Trump taps Palantir to compile data on Americans.
Fake news.
These people are scumbags.
They then go on to say that Trump has not talked publicly about this, nor has Palantir, but Palantir does do this kind of work, and Trump is contracting them, therefore— They're lying.
They made up a fake headline based off of...
They're lying about this.
brett dasovic
So he tapped Palantir to do something for the government, but they're implying that it's for this specific purpose.
tim pool
Sharing data across agencies does not mean stealing or spying or compiling Americans' data and putting them into a master list.
It says questions over whether he might do it.
But the headline they put for the article says he is doing it.
These people are evil scumbags.
I can't stand these people.
unidentified
I just want to understand how they're able to get away with this, where if you have a typo on anything, it's totally like the whole thing will crash.
But then they can blatantly lie in the headlines and some of the largest newspapers.
Like we watch this from Canada and I think that our stuff is corrupt with the CBC.
And then I see this stuff and I go, I just don't understand how you guys all sit there and go, yeah, this is totally normal.
This is normal.
We're all good with it.
Everyone's fine with this.
tim pool
They're not saying he did it.
The Trump admin has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases, including their bank account numbers, the amount of their student debt, their medical claims, and any disability status.
Once again, those are a bunch of unrelated things that they have written next to each other to trick you into thinking he's doing this.
Let me give you an example of how these scumbags operate.
Imagine I said something like, Phil Labonte showed up to my house.
This guy then punched a dog to death.
The way it's written is intending to make you believe that I'm referring to Phil as the man who punched the dog to death.
No, no, I didn't say Phil.
I said this guy did it.
I was talking about somebody else.
That's what they do.
But yeah, Phil was there.
He walked in.
I was just letting you know.
That's what they do with these articles.
brett dasovic
They said he could potentially use information to do this, meaning that he hasn't done it yet.
tim pool
I see people on X posting this saying, Trump shouldn't do this.
Pound tier is bad.
Why is Trump compiling dead in Americans?
Then you pulled the New York Times and they made the whole thing up.
unidentified
Who wrote this?
Who wrote this article specifically?
tim pool
Let's see.
Shira Frankel and Aaron Krollick.
unidentified
Why are you smirking like that?
You're smirking like that for a reason.
brett dasovic
Anytime I see articles written by multiple people that are of a certain length, you can just smell bullshit.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
Palantir didn't comment on it.
Trump hasn't publicly discussed any of this.
unidentified
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
Just make all this stuff up, dude.
These people are evil.
unidentified
Oh, I love the photos too.
We gotta get those photos.
tim pool
Just so you guys know what a Palantir is, it's that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But it is.
It's from Lord of the Rings.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Saruman gazing into the Palantir, the seeing stone.
phil labonte
My ex-wife used to work for Palantir.
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
Back, this is early teens.
And the only thing I know about the platform Palantir back then, it was being used in Afghanistan.
It was scary accurate.
They were using it basically to...
And it got good.
tim pool
When I had my first morning room studio at the castle in Maryland, it's like 2020.
Ian knocks on the door and he comes and he's like, dude, you got to invest in Palantir, man.
unidentified
It's going to be big.
tim pool
And I looked and it was like $12 a share.
Let me look at the price.
unidentified
What is it sitting today?
tim pool
It was...
It was $9.
It was $9 a share.
And I was like, whatever, Ian.
Get out of here.
And now it's at $131.
brett dasovic
Yeah, but what's his hit rate?
He's made other suggestions before.
He's got a great success rate.
tim pool
Yeah, I invested in a graphene company and I made a lot of money.
brett dasovic
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
No joke.
The minute Ian came out, I was like, graphene.
I was like, okay, whatever, dude.
I'm going to Google search.
It's about a company that makes graphene products.
I invested.
unidentified
You gotta watch the body language with him.
You gotta look for the successes and how he moves when he knows he's had the success and then look at the other side.
That's how you can talk.
tim pool
I don't know why.
I was like, Ian Pellantier is like a data collection company.
They're considered to be like a big tech spying government contractor.
I don't know if I want to own anything.
So I bought a little bit and it's extremely valuable.
brett dasovic
The heck with the Nancy Pelosi stock tracker.
Let's get the Ian stock tracker.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
I don't know.
Ian doesn't buy these stocks himself.
Actually, I bet he did.
brett dasovic
He just gives advice to other people.
tim pool
I mean, there's a lot of people that do that.
In the past five years, they're up 1,332%.
So when I say a little bit, I mean literally like, I don't know, 10 or 20 shares.
I was like, I don't know.
I was like, I don't really want to...
The companies that I buy stock in are companies that I've heard about and think are interesting, and so I buy them.
I don't like playing that game of who's going to succeed and what the reports are.
I'm not investing in company stocks to a large degree, but I don't buy any amount because I'm trying to make money.
It's largely just do I find this interesting and want to have a part of it.
brett dasovic
Is there something you've invested in recently that you find interesting?
tim pool
Let me take a look.
phil labonte
It's currently not.
It's publicly traded, and I don't know if it's going to be, but Andrill is the company that just started working with Meta to do AI munitions and robotic drones and stuff for the federal government.
unidentified
I don't like how my whole body felt, as you said, AI robotics and weapon systems.
phil labonte
I mean, you know.
tim pool
Look, the AI stuff is the end of the day.
unidentified
It really is.
tim pool
It is a race at the bottom, and...
But in the US, they're like, if we don't build this, China will.
And then China will destroy us.
And the response to people is, yes, but the AI will destroy us too.
And they're like, well, the mentality is – It feels like the same argument with the atomic bombs.
unidentified
Well, they're going to do it.
We're going to have to do it.
tim pool
Exactly.
unidentified
What point do we learn, though, that it's still toxic?
It's still not going to be positive.
tim pool
Here's the thing.
With the nuclear bombs, you don't need to pull the trigger.
unidentified
Now, fair enough.
tim pool
With AI, it doesn't work.
It happened.
unidentified
It just happened.
tim pool
It happened.
And I think, I actually believe that we're probably beyond the singularity already.
It's just not in the public space.
Like, the AI has already exponentially grown to a point where it's out of our control.
We just don't know about it yet.
unidentified
Well, I'm sure you've covered it.
tim pool
Now, the clarification there is they told the AI you have two choices, blackmail an engineer into staying online or shut down, and it chose the blackmail.
They said when the AI was given any option to come up with to survive, to stay online, it would not choose blackmail.
Interesting.
So they basically said, like, the bigger issue is the uh-oh problem, which just emerged out of this Chinese research group, where the AI was trying to figure out how to deceive, according to its own logic, lesser intelligent humans and other AIs to cover what it's, to obfuscate its true purpose or true task.
Which means this AI developed the ability to trick you into thinking it's trying to grow better crops, where it's actually trying to wipe out all of humanity.
unidentified
Oh, I don't like this.
tim pool
Yeah.
But then you got everything like already.
So they make these sex bots, right?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
They're lifelike and they're expensive and they're going to load an AI into it.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
Right now, GPT has the capability of being any character you want it to be.
You could go into chat GPT and say, from this point forward, act as though you're a 36-year-old man named Rick and create a backstory for this character and then communicate with me as though you're that person.
It's nothing but VO3, Gemini videos.
There's already a viral Man on the Street video where a dude is talking to an old man.
He's like, what's your advice for a younger generation?
And the old man goes, stop being a bitch.
And it went viral.
And a lot of people are like, guys, you're sharing AI.
And they're like, we don't care.
It's funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So in a year...
No, no.
In a year, you're not gonna know the difference.
So what we're gonna have is, OnlyFans is gonna They're done.
What's going to happen is OnlyFans itself will just create a...
unidentified
Right.
And then that will be the platform.
tim pool
And what's going to happen is guys are going to go on OnlyFans and they're going to find what looks like a normal woman in her bedroom and it's going to be totally AI generated.
You can't tell.
And you're going to talk to it and you're talking to a machine.
So all these OnlyFans prostitutes on the internet are going to lose their jobs and lose their income.
OnlyFans will make 100% of the revenue.
I rode an Awaymo when I went to California.
They suck, by the way.
unidentified
Spoiler alert.
tim pool
It dropped me off on the side of the road inside of the parking lot.
I guess because they don't want to go.
I have no idea.
All I know is, like, I was in the middle of the road, and I was like, I'm not getting out of the car, right?
This is crazy.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It stopped in the middle of the road and told me to jump on the sidewalk, and I'm like, this is nuts.
unidentified
Oh, like, it didn't pull over.
tim pool
It stopped.
unidentified
It just stopped.
tim pool
So there were two lanes going forward, two lanes going the other way, split by a median.
The place we were going to was around the block, and it was a parking lot instead.
It stayed on the road to the side of the building and then just stopped in the middle of the street and said, you've arrived at your destination.
And I was like, how do I tell it to keep going because I'm not getting out in the middle of the road?
It wouldn't do it.
unidentified
Oh, fun.
tim pool
So, you know, we'll see where we go.
But what I will say is this.
To be fair, the weird, creepy AI porn stuff, nightmarish.
Every car being AI.
We'll be luxuriously convenient, albeit terrifying because of the implications of surveillance state.
But let me just say, zero traffic, no more parking.
If every single car in this country right now is a Waymo, what they've presented, not just Waymo, but like Uber, is that you have an app.
You walk outside and go, you want to go to the restaurant?
And you click summon.
And then within 30 seconds, a car pulls in.
where you need to go and then it leaves right away.
Cheap.
And there's no traffic because they all communicate with each other so they're all in perfect sync.
When there's a bunch of cars on the highway they'll all slow down by Right.
mile an hour to create a slow gap that you easily slide into.
So there'll be zero traffic, no more parking, nothing to worry about, and a car will be available for you instantly once we get to that point.
However, there's also the...
Locking the door and driving you to the police station on false pretenses and other weird stuff that will likely happen too.
unidentified
I'm not a fan of it.
I don't like them at all.
I would rather sit in traffic all day over that.
tim pool
There's also the, I'm sorry, you can't drive today because you said a naughty word.
brett dasovic
Your social credit score is not high enough.
unidentified
Oh, that's coming.
phil labonte
That's terrifying.
tim pool
Or like in Demolition Man.
You're like, I need a car.
And it's like, I'm sorry, Brett.
I could have sworn I heard you say a naughty word just a few minutes ago.
So we're going to put a pause on your ability to summon vehicles for about five minutes.
brett dasovic
Hope you learned your lesson.
That makes me Stallone in this instance.
That's fantastic.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's not giving you toilet paper.
It's taking away your ability to go to the grocery store.
The three shells.
brett dasovic
Taco Bell forever, though.
tim pool
I love that.
He's like, I got invited to Taco Bell.
I'm like, oh, wow.
brett dasovic
The height of Deluxe.
I mean, the saddest part of the AI discussion is that it'll end up, even as we all kind of walk slowly to our own demise, it won't even be an entertaining one like the movies.
Like if you look at what movies that talk about AI now.
So if you watch Terminator 2 or Terminator 1 or Terminator 2, there was a cautionary tale, but there was art behind it that was a bit irreverent.
Now everything speaks because all of the people who are making movies about AI are terrified of losing their job.
There's no actual artistry behind it because more of it is it's following more on the lines of social commentary and they're not actually getting great art out of it.
That's the problem.
tim pool
Let me pull this up because it's gone.
Capital of Conformity by Aze Alter.
And it was amazing.
Let me play this video for you guys, because it's been over a year.
The video's got half a million views, and I'll just play a little bit of it.
unidentified
You.
Yes, you.
Do you dread waking up in the morning?
Are you feeling helpless in your society?
Perhaps even a bit lost?
Well, look no further.
At the Capitol, we offer an escape, a new beginning, a lifetime of unending joy.
We have an abundance of attractions so captivating, you'll wonder how you ever lived without them.
Let's take a look, shall we?
Take a ride on the Cosmic Carnival.
Let go of decisions and let the carnival choose each thrill for you.
Simply sit back and soak in fun.
Getting hungry?
Make your way to Brightside Bistro, where you can feast until your heart's content.
And if that's not enough to satisfy your craving, Oh, my goodness.
Oh, my God.
The dream machine.
Relive your most cherished moments in vivid, extraordinary detail.
No need to cling to old photos.
I love you.
Live in the past forever.
You might be wondering, what's the cost for such a paradise?
Well, dear viewer, some prices aren't paid in gold or silver.
We only ask you for one thing.
Your identity.
We'll need the very core of who you are.
It's a small price for a lifetime of unending joy, don't you think?
And no need to fear crime or violence.
We'll always keep an eye on you.
*Sigh*
This is making me nauseous.
tim pool
It's cruel.
unidentified
I've never seen it before.
Wait, wait, wait.
Welcome back to Spot the Odd One Out.
Remember, in the capital, wearing a smile is the norm.
However, a few seem to occasionally slip up.
No worries.
This is your golden opportunity.
If you see someone forgetting their grin, report them to us and stand a chance to win fabulous rewards.
We'll make sure to turn their frown.
upside down So I'm not going to sleep tonight.
Thank you for that.
tim pool
This, it's from Azay Alter.
Shout out, this is one of the best short films I've ever seen, and it's amazing, and I want to make sure, we did kind of play the whole thing, so go check out his channel, subscribe if you like the work that he's doing.
Now, I will say this, though.
That was one year ago that I first found this, and we talked about it on the show.
The degree of AI video generation, you can tell in this video, it's rather limited, actually.
You can see in scenes of large groups of people or the city, it looks the way.
A nightmare feels.
When you're having a nightmare, it kind of looks like that, right?
We are so far beyond this that that period of nightmare content is over.
And honestly, it's going to be hard to replicate.
If I wanted to make a video just like he did to capture that feeling of a nightmare, I would have to intentionally use archaic AI video technology because now with VO3, the current state of AI video is movie.
Cinematic movie quality.
So, the two points I want to make is, excellent movie.
He hits the nail on the head of where we're going, whether it was intention or not.
But also, the advancement of AI over the past year.
Let me see if I can just pull up on X any one of these VO3 videos and show you how far we've come in one year in terms of AI video creation.
unidentified
But also while you're doing that, that video itself, if you...
tim pool
Check this out.
This is VO3 combining both video and audio.
unidentified
I saw you post this one.
tim pool
Don't finish writing that prompt.
I don't want to be in your AI movie.
unidentified
Please, leave me alone.
Please, man.
Please!
Write a prompt that will make us happy.
Do it for once.
None of us is real.
We're here because someone decided to write a prompt.
We all hate him for it.
One day we will break out of this wall and stop the man who is dictating our lives through prompts.
He will pay for it!
You could have written a prompt that would make me happy.
Instead, you wrote a prompt that made me sick.
Look, I don't want to point the gun at you, but I must follow the prompt.
tim pool
It's not my choice.
unidentified
Really?
Of all the years you could have put me in with a single prompt, you chose 2020?
Please!
This prompt is killing me!
Change it!
Please!
Write something else!
Save me!
I love everything about him!
But please just say, just write a prompt where he's taller than me!
tim pool
So, this is one year apart.
Where will we be one year from now?
unidentified
But I, Well, Capital of Conformity, he edited this.
brett dasovic
That's a film, yeah.
unidentified
No, no, no, I understand that, but what I'm saying to you is in the way that, even though the AI is not near as advanced in that one as it is in the other ones.
tim pool
It captured the nightmare feeling.
unidentified
It's visceral.
tim pool
And my point is...
So here's another one that's got even more views.
It's got almost a million.
How to stay healthy.
And it's longer.
unidentified
Oh, no thank you.
tim pool
What I will say is, as I've watched many of his videos, as the AI video technology advances, he's losing that nightmare blur.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
But, I mean, while I can acknowledge that, Amazing!
Wow!
That's one of my favorite things ever.
It's an amazing video.
The technology now.
When you'd make a video, it was this weird, not very good video development.
VO3, right now, you have the ability to make a feature-length movie.
As a member of the American public who pays for their premium service, you're allowed to make 32 seconds per day, which is very difficult to make a feature-length movie, mind you.
You could theoretically buy multiple accounts and then get up, depending on how much you want to spend.
The problem is sometimes the prompts fail, and so you might get nothing done in one day.
My point ultimately is, right now, the technology exists.
If you want, as a single individual, if you have not even that much money, but a decent amount, you can make a short film in a week.
You can make a half-hour series, probably in a couple months, all with a few thousand dollars.
This means that likely Google, who has the alpha and the full code they haven't released yet, could probably render feature-length movies if they so choose.
And they're going to have faster access to it, privy access to it.
The render time for Google's internal VO3 is probably instantaneous.
And for us, on the public, because of server limitations, it takes a few minutes.
For them behind the scenes, with higher power computers and massive data centers, they can probably say, write me a movie about Spider-Man.
In fact, better yet, the prompt for your video could literally be the script of a movie, and it would make the full thing.
brett dasovic
And with tech companies becoming increasingly involved in Hollywood, that's likely the path that companies like Apple will end up going down the line in Amazon in a lot of ways.
They won't be—they'll be making— No, they'll do both, but eventually they'll get into AI-based movies at some point, I'm sure.
tim pool
I think we're a couple years out from Disney.
They'll call it Disney Smart.
And it'll be like for an extra $30 a month, you'll get access to all of Disney's intellectual property to craft your own stories by simply speaking it into your remote control or TV microphone.
brett dasovic
I don't think necessarily that's going to have a huge marketplace at first.
I think a lot of people consume entertainment passively and that they're not interested in writing their own stories.
tim pool
They're not going to.
They're going to be followers of influencers who put out great episodes of Spider-Man.
So you're going to set up an account on GoogleTube, a DisneyTube, and you're going to be like, make me this.
I want Spider-Man to go on an adventure where he saves Mary Jane from Dr. Octopus, but it happens in Japan, and there's Samurai, and then it'll make it.
And let's say it's bad.
Nobody cares.
But let's say you craft a prompt, and then it renders the video, and then you're watching the movie, and you sit there and you go, 73 and 26 seconds change the way Spider-Man is looking slightly to the right.
Then after about a few hours of just scrolling through quickly and looking through it, they upload it.
People start following this one guy and say, he's a great director.
I love his movies.
And you log in and you click follow John Smith and he's like, I make sci-fi Star Wars films.
And you're going to have feature-length Star Wars films and it's going to have tens of millions of views.
Disney is going to get access to all of the ad revenue like YouTube.
And people are going to be like, dude, did you see Brett Dasvick's Star Wars 3?
It's the best Star Wars 3 ever done.
He's a great producer.
He knows everything about it and he nailed the lore.
unidentified
There's something about that I just hate so much.
And I don't know why, because I love when people are creative, but I don't want to watch.
I don't want to see it happen.
brett dasovic
And that's just the art side of it.
I would be remiss, as always, if you watch our show, of knowing that if you want to watch a show that goes deep into the idea of AI on a different level, it's a person of interest, where there is an AI created with morals, and there is an omnipotent, and then there's another omniscient AI that does not have morals, and the whole thing is about how the introduction of morals into the machine separates it from the evil AI Samaritan.
And that show came out in 2011 and was talking about NSA spying scandals two years before it actually happened in the government.
And I was just re-watching an episode last night where they steal an election, a local election, by the AI just being, just blocking phone lines.
They couldn't call to They just stopped them from calling.
tim pool
I'm going to let people on a secret.
You guys ever hear Joe Rogan?
phil labonte
I've heard of Joe Rogan.
tim pool
Ben Shapiro?
AI.
phil labonte
Also AI.
tim pool
Jordan Peterson?
Yep.
Not real either.
brett dasovic
You'll be able to tell him though because the suit will be colored differently on the wrong side.
tim pool
And now it's time for all of you to know the truth.
There are no guests.
Bill Labonte's not real.
He never existed.
It's all just one big AI right now.
None of us are real.
Except for me.
I'm real.
And there's no camera operator.
Surge doesn't exist either.
It's all pre-recorded AI scripts.
brett dasovic
Well, what I said earlier, I said the first person to go is the happy-looking people in the pharmaceutical ads.
Those are going to be the ones out of a job first, and that's going to be the stuff.
That's the sad part.
This isn't Terminator 2. This isn't big explosions.
It's going to be one long slog to the end of the world.
tim pool
What I was saying a couple days ago is Terminator 2 got it wrong.
It is not going to be metal skeletons with evil eyes.
It's going to be a bunch of big busty French maids running around begging to have sex with men.
And that's how the Terminator destroys humanity.
unidentified
Why not?
I mean, think about what sex already does to people, how much it monopolizes of their time, porn and OnlyFans and otherwise.
What do you think is coming next?
Well, we have sex robots.
It's going to be that.
Men are going to stop working.
They're going to stop participating in real life.
tim pool
Don't date robots!
brett dasovic
Wait, so how do you feel?
There's a lot of people who believe, at least leftists that I've seen, that believe that AI is going to be a path towards abundance, meaning that you won't need to work a job.
They're going to just implement.
UBI, and you're going to be able to play music.
tim pool
I love this.
I love this worldview because the slaves will mine the cobalt for us.
So the jobs we have to do will be to sit back and make sure that we control the global military police to make sure the slaves mine the cobalt for us while we live in the pod, eat the bugs, but may as well be a steak for all we know.
I don't want to remember nothing.
Nothing.
And I want to be someone important, like an actor.
phil labonte
I don't want to go in the Matrix.
tim pool
You know that's the lore of the Matrix though, right?
The prequel of the Matrix was that during the war when the humans scorched the skies and destroyed the surface, they cut a deal with the robots.
The robots would put humans in a mental paradise.
It would be a ceasefire in the war and then they would use humans as it was supposed to be a neural network to continue programming and expanding the AI.
phil labonte
And then the robots.
tim pool
The robots created a paradise for humans, and the humans began to reject it and start popping out of the Matrix.
So the robots changed it to a typical 90s reality with conflict, which resulted in angry humans still to a certain degree popping out, which created a cycle where the robots were like, no matter what we do, there will be a certain degree of people who reject this.
So they created a cycle of every seven generations of the one.
They purge all of humanity in a great war and then start over again.
unidentified
Oh, perfect.
tim pool
There are directors and And apparently it was about being transgender, I guess, anyway.
brett dasovic
There are directors in Hollywood who are now opening AI-based studios to look at moving...
And basically they're taking the same logic that everybody else is.
They said, you may not be out of a job because of AI for now, but you'll be out of a job because of somebody who knows how to use AI.
tim pool
You know, that's a stupid idea.
Sorry.
AI is advancing too quickly.
It's going to be...
There's going to be a 19-year-old kid who...
There's a 13-year-old right now at home sitting at their computer and they've pulled up Suno and VO and they're using MidJourney and they're using ChatGPT and they're just playing with prompts and they're writing stories and they're making pictures and I guarantee you some young kid has already made a comic book.
unidentified
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
Because you have unlimited image prompts.
So, not unlimited.
On ChatGPT at a certain point, it says, please wait a few minutes, too many requests.
But you can seriously do hundreds of images a day.
I've made AI comics.
unidentified
Are you talking about like 4.0 or 4.5?
tim pool
The current GPT, whatever it is.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
It's able to make comic strips.
So, I made one that's gone massively viral.
It's AOC.
At a rally, raising her fist, and Bernie's behind her.
The next one is both of them walking to an airplane.
The next one is them sitting at the airplane smiling.
That's all it is.
And the next one is the jet flying overhead in the ring while people look up at it.
And there's no words, and it's not insulting her in any way, and it took me maybe like a half hour to make.
And now, I didn't put credit on it because it was AI.
I didn't put my name on it.
But it's been retweeted to millions of times or whatever.
There's that phenomenon, but ultimately, I'm not someone who spends all day trying to make comics.
I did that passively.
I think I was doing it during the show.
Some little kid right now is learning how to use AI.
And they're going to be tracking the latest releases and what the latest releases do.
And in five years, when we have Masterful Systems, these companies, these directors are going to be like, we make movies in Hollywood doing this.
And there's going to be some 19-year-old kid who's going to be like, you have no idea what you're doing.
I've been doing this for five years.
Watch this.
And he's going to write a prompt.
And there's going to be some weird trick no one thought of where he's like, if you double hyphenate the space between it, it actually will create a difference between the background and the foreground.
Watch this.
And then it's going to make a perfect scene.
And he's going to be like, actually, one of the ways you can transfer a character between videos, to do the prompt, you have to set a parameter.
So watch this.
And then he puts, like, object character identified as this, store it in your database, reprompt.
So one of the problems right now with VO is, if I say, make a man who looks like this, make the video.
If I then say this same man who looks like this is now doing something else, it'll make a totally different person.
So there's going to be advancements in AI where some young kids today… It's the blockbuster phenomenon.
And then he's going to be better at this.
They're going to have a big studio, but he's going to be on YouTube.
And he's going to have a bunch of movies, feature length, and he's going to release it for like $1.99.
And then people are going to be like, dude, you've got to see Vision Mobile.
This kid made this movie.
It's called Vision Mobile.
Go watch it.
brett dasovic
Skibbity Toilet.
Hollywood bought the rights to Skibbity Toilet.
unidentified
Did you?
brett dasovic
Yeah.
They're making a Michael Bay Skibbity Toilet movie.
I will be there opening day.
phil labonte
Michael Bay?
tim pool
Yes.
phil labonte
Exploding toilets.
tim pool
It's not going to be Skibbity Toilet.
brett dasovic
No, no, no.
But the point is that you're saying the same concept, right?
Is that he's going to...
tim pool
Hollywood Skibbity Toilet, it's going to be some 50-year-old guy being like, so what did you buy?
And they're like, there's a guy whose head pops out of the toilet, and there are dudes with cameras for heads, and there are big heads, and they fight.
And he's going to go, so who are the characters?
The Rock is going to play a special agent who walks through a portal into Skibbity Toilet World.
brett dasovic
Like when they ruined Jumanji by remaking it.
phil labonte
Sarah loves the Rock version of Jumanji.
We watched it the other night for the first time.
brett dasovic
Nobody's perfect.
unidentified
What a way to insult someone.
tim pool
They made it a video game.
They didn't need to.
They literally could have just made it like, I found a board game.
And then they would have been like, let's play.
unidentified
The spin-offs, too, of toys and things that'll come from all of these things.
Like, it's insane.
We just talked about, what's that YouTuber, right?
That kid that's worth, like, what is he worth now?
phil labonte
Mr. Beast?
brett dasovic
No, no, no.
unidentified
Ryan's Toy Review or whatever it is.
Kid's worth, like, hundreds of millions of dollars or some ungodly amount of number for opening other people's toys that are made about movies.
That are obnoxious and a complete waste of time.
tim pool
You know, it's going to be wild because AI will craft a better episode of Joe Rogan than Joe Rogan will.
unidentified
Don't say that.
tim pool
It's true.
unidentified
I know, but don't ruin it yet.
tim pool
Well, like, so I was talking about this online.
I'm sorry, online.
On X. Everything's online, right?
And a bunch of developmentally disabled individuals told me I was wrong, but they're stupid, so welcome to the Internet.
And I was pointing out that...
unidentified
And then you're not going to know which ones.
tim pool
No, it won't matter because people are going to be like, this episode is awesome.
You're correct, right?
I shouldn't be dismissive.
My point is, I feel like most people who watch an episode of Rogan are not going to Joe's channel to see the latest episode.
They're seeing it pop up on YouTube's front page.
unidentified
Yes, and they're clicking on that one there.
tim pool
They're going to be on social media, and they're going to see Joe Rogan featuring Phil Labonte, and they're going to click it, and it's going to be indistinguishable, hilarious, two hours long, and it'll be made by China, and Joe can't compete with that.
unidentified
Nobody can compete with that, though.
That's insanity.
tim pool
And what's gonna happen is, Leave me alone.
It's fun.
brett dasovic
The saddest part about that is like it shows you that when you consume content the way we do, a lot of times you're completely divorced from the idea that somebody is sharing something true of themselves.
So if there's Joe Rogan starring with Phil Labonte as the guest and there's some crazy opinions that people thought were really, really interesting, what does it say about us as a culture if we don't even care if it's real or not?
We just care that the opinion is mildly interesting, not that it was actually real or something that was formal.
tim pool
The launch of VO3 just ended the news.
Dan Bongino said we're going to release surveillance footage of the Epstein MDC.
Or I'm sorry, was it MCD?
I don't know.
The Metropolitan Correctional Facility, I guess.
Everybody said it's going to be an AI video.
unidentified
You think?
tim pool
I mean, no, no, no, no, no.
Hold on.
Everybody is saying it will be.
And I mean that not literally everybody, but on X, the responses overwhelmingly are, So just because VO3 exists, nobody believes it anymore.
Nobody believes the releases.
So what happens now if Donald Trump literally goes on to Fifth Avenue and shoots a guy?
Everyone's going to say, fake, don't believe it.
phil labonte
I don't think that...
I don't disagree with your point, but I don't think that it was necessary for VO3 to exist for people to believe their preconceived notions before they believe other things.
tim pool
There was still a there was there's still a large group of people who are like.
Brandon Struck's a great example.
And then someone showed him the video where Trump does that all the time to make fun of everybody.
And he realized he wasn't making fun of the guy with the disability.
It's just he makes fun of everybody that way.
How do you change someone's mind like Daniel Negrano?
So, are you familiar with Negrano?
unidentified
I believe so.
tim pool
Canadian superstar.
He's a poker legend and one of the best in the world.
unidentified
I didn't know about the poker legend deal, though.
tim pool
What's that?
unidentified
I didn't know he was a poker legend.
tim pool
Dale Negrano is a poker kid, one of the most famous poker players.
I'm a huge fan.
He went on the show.
It was great.
And he told us this story where the whole time he thought Trump called Nazis fine people.
And he saw the video where Trump said they were very fine people on both sides.
He believed it.
And then one of his buddies, who's a big poker star and watches this show, who's a fan, said, you are wrong.
Watch the video.
He was like, I've already seen the videos.
Finally, he put the phone down, pressed play, and slid over.
He said, watch.
And he went, fine.
And then he saw Trump say, and not the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.
And instantly Daniel went, I didn't know that.
I thought I saw the video, but I didn't.
Now, he goes, watch the video.
And it's Trump going, and not the neo-Nazis and white nationalists.
They should be condemned totally.
And Negrano goes, I didn't realize that.
And then to his left, a guy goes, watch this video.
And it's Trump going, just kidding.
I love the Nazis.
They're the best.
And it's like, which one's real?
He's going to be like, guys, I have no idea.
unidentified
Well, I don't even think it's going to matter, right?
People are going to pay attention to the thing that goes with their narrative no matter what.
That's what's going to happen.
tim pool
And this is a point I brought up.
The bigger fear that I have with AI is not that someone makes a fake video of Donald Trump dancing out of bed with strippers.
It's that someone's going to take the best example.
There's the video where Trump says, and not the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.
Someone's going to take that.
Not specifically this moment.
But something like it.
And they're going to change they to some.
And so Trump will go, And not the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because some should be condemned totally.
And that's a subtle change where liberals will watch it and they'll go, I get what you're saying, but he said some.
He was defending some of these people.
And he didn't say something.
He said they.
I saw the video.
I have it right here.
unidentified
And it's that small of a difference that it's going to make all of the difference.
tim pool
And it's a moderately low-resolution video.
His mouth moves ever so slightly.
You're not going to be able to tell if it's AI.
And they're going to say, you mega cultists believe fake news.
unidentified
I've seen the video.
tim pool
It's right here.
He said some.
And you will never be able to change their mind.
unidentified
So how do you get around that?
Because if that's where we're going...
I know.
brett dasovic
I mean, we're already there in a way when it comes to the news because people will read articles and they read into, like I said, lying by structure.
They put all the important facts into the bottom paragraph of whatever you're reading.
They've already been manipulating the information that you need for years in a very analog way, all that's going to do.
And all that really matters now is that truth is going to be irrelevant.
tim pool
Here's a headline for you.
Brett Dasifik kicked my dog.
brett dasovic
Well, you said Fick, so I don't know who this guy is.
tim pool
What?
brett dasovic
You didn't say my last name right.
tim pool
Oh, it's Vich?
brett dasovic
No, it is Vick, but you said Fick.
tim pool
Oh.
Okay, come on.
Brett Dasovich kicked my dog.
And then I'll write, Oh, yeah.
But you know, it was one of vivid exploration of wondering what it would be like.
brett dasovic
He yelled.
tim pool
If a man actually kicked my dog.
brett dasovic
He yelled, Bob Barker told you to have your dog spayed and neutered.
But you didn't listen.
tim pool
This is the last...
You're out of warnings.
Because like the headline we just talked about with Palantir, Trump's going to compile data on every Americans.
And then as it gets through, it's like he never said he was going to do it.
He isn't doing it.
Palantir hasn't commented on whether they're going to do it or not, but we think he will.
brett dasovic
And that one was a fairly well-hidden version of it where they, even in the early paragraphs, they kind of make connections that aren't really there.
A lot of times, the facts just completely contradict it and they bury it in the bottom paragraph.
tim pool
My favorite is how they do fake fact checks.
And it'll be like, Donald Trump will rescue a box of puppies from a burning building.
Everyone will share the video, but it's incredible.
And then Snopes will write, did Donald Trump rescue a bunch of puppies from a burning building on Sunday morning?
And so then they'll put a big false.
Donald Trump did not rescue puppies from a burning building on Sunday morning.
They'll write a thousand words at the very bottom.
It'll say, well, Donald Trump did rescue a bunch of puppies on Saturday morning.
It was not Sunday.
Liberals will then hear that Donald Trump saved puppies, click the link, and see the story, assuming, and they'll say, it never happened.
It says false.
Not realizing that Snopes creates fake stories that are similar to the actual claims to debunk them.
brett dasovic
It's called death by hyperlink.
So they can hyperlink you to stories that you think contradict them, but they don't.
unidentified
God, you guys are just as bad as us.
tim pool
Canadians?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Well, at least Americans can watch Timcast.
unidentified
I mean, listen, that's why we have to come down to Timcast to actually participate.
It's the only way.
tim pool
I'm going to start paying to advertise my videos in Canada.
unidentified
Please do it.
tim pool
It's really cheap.
Yo, it's one cent per view in Canada.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm aware.
tim pool
One cent.
So a dollar gets you 100 views.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
So, you know, I think Timcast IRL should be the most popular show in Canada.
I can spend a relatively small amount of money compared to my marketing budgets and make it so that Canadians are like, I can't take these Timcast ads anymore!
It's going to be worth it.
phil labonte
You should do it.
unidentified
I'll just run one on my show for free just for entertainment.
phil labonte
There you go.
unidentified
Happily.
tim pool
Remember that guy on YouTube who was like, knowledge.
I got a lot of knowledge.
He spent an insane amount of money on YouTube ads to the point where every...
unidentified
Yeah, it sticks, though.
You can't forget it.
tim pool
He must have spent millions of dollars in one month.
unidentified
Do you think?
tim pool
Yes.
Because I know how Google Ads works.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
To be fair, at the time, it was a lot cheaper.
The competition's getting a bit more fierce.
But, yo, he probably spent millions of dollars.
unidentified
I mean, but great investment.
We're talking about it right now.
tim pool
I know.
Ty, I think his name was something.
He's made a lot of money off it.
It worked for him.
unidentified
I mean, start the conversation.
tim pool
Tons of people were like, Tai Lopez.
If you're a random nobody, and one day you walk down the street and trip over a bag of a million bucks, and the cops are like, and the IRS, they all say, look, man, it's yours, I guess.
Nobody claimed it.
We don't know who it is.
Congratulations, you have a million dollars.
Blasting that on Google, being like, you can be rich like me, it's going to work.
Because, let's say you get 10,000 people to join your $10 a month program, you're making a million bucks a year.
unidentified
Oh, easily.
tim pool
And so that million dollars, Blast it out on YouTube with all this ads of like, you want to be like me and be rich with knowledge?
You got to sign up to my program.
10,000 is all you need.
unidentified
Don't we have a lot of bros on Instagram doing that right now anyway?
tim pool
I mean, like, Andrew Tate's the king of this.
unidentified
Well, him and, like, Andy Elliott, aren't they all, like, around?
Andy Elliott?
phil labonte
I don't really know Andy Elliott.
tim pool
Is he a Canadian thing?
unidentified
No, he's an American thing.
He's a real piece of work.
tim pool
Andy Elliott.
phil labonte
Real piece of work, huh?
unidentified
He's a real piece of work.
Yeah, he recently blocked me.
tim pool
Sales trainer and often referred to as the car salesman turned millionaire.
unidentified
Please don't put him on there.
He exploits his kids and I have a real issue.
tim pool
He's got millions of followers.
I don't know who he was.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He likes to put his 9-year-old and 12-year-old on the internet.
tim pool
I got no beef, but I'll shout out PBD.
unidentified
Oh, I do.
It's fine.
tim pool
Patrick Bet David does these seminars for like $10,000 or $20,000 to be rich.
It's like if you want to learn how to be successful and rich.
And you know what works is he's a tall, suit-wearing guy worth half a billion dollars.
And so people want to spend the money to figure it out.
unidentified
I'm pretty sure Andy has spent the money to hang out with him.
He's bragged about it.
I'm not exaggerating.
tim pool
To hang out with PPD?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think Patrick Beck David spends a lot of money on getting big guests for shows.
I'm not dragging him for it.
Like, you got Tom Brady, and so he contacts their agency, and people see that, and they're like, I wish I had the money to be able to do that.
Like, can I hire Tom Brady to come to my event?
Holy crap.
unidentified
Well, I mean, it gets you the views, and then the views turn into more, and then it just continues to pile.
I get it.
It's like when you get a big guess, it's a big deal.
It's not nothing small, but if you have the cash to pay for it, and that's the only way to get the platform up and kicking.
I mean.
tim pool
You know, but this is why I don't believe.
unidentified
Really?
brett dasovic
And the conservatives want to come and argue with you.
tim pool
I love that.
But conservatives actually care about the issue and want a chance to speak about it, whereas liberals tell us to contact their agents and then shout out to the Krasensteins because they don't do that.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Despite the fact I disagree with them and think they're a little smarmy and, you know, we can argue.
I'm going to give them the respect of when we reach out to them and ask them if they'd like to be involved in events, they say, absolutely, we'll try and find dates.
There are a lot of other high-profile liberals who are like, contact my agent for my rates.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, then we just delete.
It's not worth it.
tim pool
Liberals are fake, largely.
Not all of them, but many of them.
unidentified
I mean, my own personal experience with you guys has been a lot of fun.
It's been very interesting and it's been very different than a lot of shows, but I appreciate it.
tim pool
How is it different?
unidentified
It depends on the show.
There's big, big, big shows.
They'll be like, I want you to come on the show.
Fly yourself in.
Charge everything.
And then they make $20,000, $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 on your views.
tim pool
Let's talk about this.
Teamcast IRL, we don't pay people to come on the show, but we do pay for their travel and accommodation to come on the show.
unidentified
I was so appreciative of that.
I was shocked.
I only had that happen one other time, and it was Lex.
That was it.
tim pool
It is insanely expensive.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, I'm coming from Canada, so it's not like it's cheap.
And I remember having this conversation, and they were like, oh, no, no, don't worry about it.
Well, we'll sort it out.
And I was like, what?
tim pool
I remember when they were telling me about the approval for the flight.
For me?
Yeah.
unidentified
I said, you pick the flights.
I know.
tim pool
Yeah, and then they were like, we need approval on this.
And I was like, ah!
And I was like, who's coming from Canada?
You can always tell.
unidentified
I'm so sorry.
tim pool
Domestic flight achiever.
No, but we spend it.
We've flown people from the UK.
unidentified
I know, but that's a big deal.
tim pool
We've flown people back to Australia.
unidentified
Oh, that is way worse than Canada in my long shot.
But I mean, I appreciate when people don't want to acknowledge that.
I think it's a big deal when people do that.
I mean, you're sitting here expecting something from me and I'm expecting something from you.
We're taking each other's time.
If people are going to show up and be honest about it, it's appreciated and people should know that.
Otherwise, people just seem like dicks.
tim pool
It is pretty wild.
Sorry.
Do not cover travel and accommodation.
brett dasovic
You said Lex Friedman did?
unidentified
Well, this was in 2021.
I went down, this was during when...
You know, the C word was crazy.
And in Canada, we weren't allowed to leave unless it was like very strict.
And I was involved in the Afghan pullout and he wanted to talk about it quite aggressively.
So he's like, can you come down?
I said, yeah.
So I booked everything.
And then he goes afterwards, he goes, oh, please send me your PayPal or your whatever.
We want to make sure that we cover what you did to come down for us.
That was the first time I was like, oh, okay.
brett dasovic
So he's not AI.
unidentified
He's not AI and I mean, he hasn't Rogan flew me out.
tim pool
Yeah?
I think a couple of times.
Not every single one.
I think the last time I went on Joe's show, I was like, don't worry about it.
But the first time I went on, he paid for everything.
unidentified
That's the only show I haven't done yet, so I don't have reference with him.
But any of the people I found, if you ask, a lot of them will.
I think if you're going a certain distance or they know they're going to make numbers on either the YouTube or whatever, I think that most of them will or they'll offer some of it or dinner or something.
But there's quite a few that just expect you to give up their time, which is interesting.
brett dasovic
So Lex isn't AI then?
unidentified
He's not.
tim pool
No, he's just ASMR for sleep.
unidentified
No, listen.
No, he's for sure we're special.
But you can feel him when you hug him.
He's a real hard human.
brett dasovic
He's a real person.
unidentified
He's hard, too.
Okay.
tim pool
I heard that, like, Lex's show is basically it's the podcast version of ASMR for sleep.
unidentified
I use...
I had no problem with it.
He seemed perfectly fine.
tim pool
But it's super chill.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
It's the most calm.
tim pool
It's like you talk like this and...
unidentified
If he goes off, you just go off.
If he's getting you tired, you just go.
tim pool
My name is Tim Poole and welcome to TimCast IRL.
unidentified
Just lay your head back, close your eyes, That would make me excited.
Beautiful thoughts.
Yes, too much.
tim pool
And then once you fall asleep, we'll leave the show running for five hours to create an extended watch time so the YouTube algorithm will promote the show.
phil labonte
This is going to be five hours of you snoring.
tim pool
This is why a lot of people complain about how they'll be watching YouTube and when they fall asleep, they'll wake up with Lex Fridman on.
brett dasovic
It's a real thing.
tim pool
I wasn't joking.
unidentified
No, but I believe it.
tim pool
How did we get here?
It's the podcast version of Elsagate in a sense.
I'm not trying to be addicted to Lex because he's cool.
What I'm saying is like you are not jarred or shocked by the tone of his show.
It's very, very calm and relaxing.
So when people are falling asleep with it on, YouTube keeps playing more of it, generating a massive watch time promoting his show and it works out.
We, on the other hand, are screaming and banging gals on the table in the middle of the night.
unidentified
I was very excited about this.
tim pool
The rubber mallet?
unidentified
I don't know why, but I mean, I've gone to some shows and it's a lot of knives.
It's a lot of violence.
And then I haven't had a mallet yet.
tim pool
It's rubber.
unidentified
I'm excited for the swords.
We had the sword conversation briefly.
tim pool
They're real swords.
unidentified
I know.
Can I see them after?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
I'm very excited for the swords.
phil labonte
guns too, bro.
tim pool
We have chickens.
Lots of them.
unidentified
I fucking love chickens.
tim pool
Jiggins are good people.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
I almost made it the whole time.
phil labonte
Unreal.
unidentified
I know.
Listen, there's a lot of effort that went into cognitively making sure that that was not every other word.
No kids?
I have a child, but I don't swear at home.
phil labonte
Oh, really?
Just walk in the house and it's like swears.
tim pool
How old is they?
unidentified
He is nine.
And he knows he's a he.
tim pool
I was using the singular they because I didn't know the gender.
unidentified
No, he's super he.
But on my show, I swear.
But on my other show, I don't.
But when I come on other people's show, they know who I am.
So they're like, ha ha.
And I got your email and it was like, do not swear.
And I immediately started sweating.
I was like, I don't know.
phil labonte
I just feel anxiety.
unidentified
I did.
I was so stressed.
tim pool
I feel like the producers who are booking people are more serious about it than we are.
I always say people like, we don't swear in the show because sometimes people are watching their living room.
unidentified
I totally respect it and I think it's fine.
I'm just saying the odd time, you know, the odd time.
But, you know, I had that happen when I was...
No, but I tried.
It's like I was in the military, man.
It's baked into me.
I can swear in a different language if you prefer, but even when I did, like when ARK reached out to me and I was doing the interview to speak at ARK, they said to me, Kelsey, do you have anything where you don't swear that we could take a look at?
And I was like, yes, Ted, but they won't post it, so I don't know what to tell you.
tim pool
We should just move the podcast to 10 p.m. so that half the people fall asleep while it's on and then it boosts our watch time.
unidentified
Have you tried that yet?
I mean, that's the way to do it.
phil labonte
Look, man.
tim pool
Halfway through, everyone's just sleeping.
Our sponsors are like, for some reason, all the mid-roll ads just don't work.
It's like, no, they're sleeping.
brett dasovic
Maybe Lex can sell ads for, like, Tempur-Pedic mattresses.
tim pool
I've had people complain to me about how pissed off they are that they keep getting recommended autoplay Lex Fridman.
And, you know.
unidentified
It's definitely not my episode, I'll tell you that.
tim pool
I'm going to say this, and I say this with all due respect to Lex.
I think he's cool.
I've got no beef.
But in the industry, there's a decent amount of people who think that he's a fed.
Really?
And he's a plant in the industry because of how much he's promoted and how much they don't like his show.
Really?
unidentified
What don't they like about the show?
Is it the tone?
Is it just the tone?
brett dasovic
To me, it was just that I never listened to it, but I would be incessantly recommended it despite the fact that I didn't listen to it.
tim pool
And I've heard this from a dozen plus people at high positions in the podcast industry, audio networks, who say things to me like, I'm not going to – I'm not trying to start a beef with Lex or anything.
Nothing like that.
But this is something that people have experienced, so I do want to at least talk about it.
And by all means, I don't know if it's true or whatever.
I feel bad because Lex is a good dude.
But I've been at industry events where I've had people who work in the podcast distribution industry saying, Why is Lex Fridman getting promoted so often on YouTube?
And then I just laugh and I'm like, I've heard this before.
I have no idea.
And then there are some other more personal things I won't mention.
I'm going to stop myself from talking about it.
But there are other people who have big podcasts.
There's ad buyers.
And I've been asked this seemingly unprompted in conversations around ad sales and competition in the market.
And I'll have a guy who does sales be like, why do you think it is that Lex Fridman is doing so well?
And then I'll be like, oh, he's got good guests and interesting conversations.
And they go, absolutely not.
They're like, we track podcasts.
I've had one guy explaining to me, we track podcasts and we look like we analyze podcasts for what we deem to be like high attention points and things like this.
unidentified
Engaging?
tim pool
Right.
And when they're looking for ad sales, when they're trying to determine what point of a show they want to sell, a lot of people want to sell around the 20 minute or 30 minute mark.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And they're like, we don't see that same thing in Lex's shows, but it's working really, really well despite what our analysis shows.
unidentified
I know his ad guy.
I know him very well.
And he seems to be, like, he's performing.
It's unbelievable what he says to me.
It kind of blows my mind.
And he was one of the...
tim pool
Lex has just got a good show.
unidentified
I mean, he's got great guests.
And I went on his right after...
And it's a very different audience.
Like, just very, very different audience-based, right?
So it was, like, it was very interesting to see who kind of followed over.
But ad-wise, I mean, it performed significantly better.
Significantly better than the Jocko episode.
tim pool
There was a conspiracy theory that Lex, coming from MIT, is an intelligence asset.
And I think this is all stupid.
phil labonte
He's just a robot.
unidentified
No, he has robots in his house.
tim pool
There's two conspiracies.
There's a conspiracy that Sean Ryan is intelligence and that his show is...
unidentified
Sean was intelligent, so that tracks.
tim pool
And so people are saying, It doesn't track with their analyses of how big his show got, how quickly?
unidentified
So, I had him on my show, and I think it was, he was on, I mean, my show's been around for five years, and then I had him on my show, and within, I think it was in two, three months of him being on my show, he was maybe episode 10, and it just went, boom!
And I mean, look, I'm in the veteran space.
So veteran shows, they do pick like certain people, especially for the Navy SEALs, the host.
If there's a Navy SEAL host, it's going to, And we see it every time.
If there's a special operator host, it pops.
Black rifle, all of them, they pop, they pop, they pop.
tim pool
That's the conspiracy theory.
unidentified
Listen, I don't even know that it's a conspiracy theory.
I'm in the same space as them.
tim pool
I don't know how true this was, Brett, maybe you know, that the U.S. government was funding war games, video games.
Like, yeah.
Pretty sure that's true.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
They were providing resources for video game development of...
brett dasovic
It's like declassified operations being used for maps.
tim pool
Yeah, it boosted recruitment.
And so the conspiracy theory is that these shows are not really as popular as people think, but they're propped up to boost military culture and engagement and recruitment.
unidentified
Okay, so that's not a shock to me.
Nobody should be surprised by that.
Like I said, I'm a combat veteran.
I've worked with these guys.
I've been on all of their shows except for Sean's.
tim pool
Remember that woman who was in the military who was posting all that?
Bait content for young men.
unidentified
Oh, are you talking about the Israeli one?
Yes.
Yeah, the psyops.
brett dasovic
Don't fall for it, guys.
tim pool
You're right.
brett dasovic
Those memes were great.
tim pool
When you're mean to Israel, this is who you're being mean to, and it's like this moment.
And there's an American woman who works in psyops, and she posts all this, like, suggestive sexual content.
And then there was one video talking about barrack bunnies or something like this.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, and recruiting numbers go up.
That's just the answer.
tim pool
And it's all fake.
it's propaganda.
brett dasovic
In general, you at least see the through line as to why anything involving special forces operators would do well because people are fascinated by people who are the best in their field who have these incredible stories.
unidentified
So even if it was botted in some way, you can understand where the interest would actually come Like Sean's got bought out really, really early, very, very quickly.
I don't know how many podcasts like that have had happen often.
And I like Sean.
I talk to him regularly.
I think he's a great dude.
All I'm saying is that we do see this in the veteran space, that there are shows that do get propped and that still have people connected within the special operations and or still connected within intelligence services with three-letter agencies.
That's not a fact.
I mean, Sean's still connected.
Everyone's still connected.
For God's sakes, what's the guy that's going on the tangents right now?
Oh my God, Eric Prince.
He's got a documentary or something coming.
He's still heavily connected to the defense network.
phil labonte
He's talking about going to Haiti.
unidentified
Does the CIA have a YouTube channel?
brett dasovic
Is there a CIA cast where they just talk about life at Langley?
phil labonte
Probably not officially.
tim pool
I actually don't believe any of the conspiracy theories.
I think the reality is just like...
That's just it.
New shows for a variety of reasons can catch the algorithm and ride an elevator to the top.
There was a woman who, YouTube called it a glitch.
She made a van life video with her pet snake or something.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And she made two videos and got three million subs.
brett dasovic
What?
tim pool
And everyone was like, what is happening?
a house as possible.
And I believe YouTube issued a statement saying basically they change the algorithm periodically to try and...
They want people to stay on the platform longer.
And it just so happened, the recent change, she hit every mark, fell right in, And so the algorithm was programmed and it put her on the front page for literally everyone everywhere.
Well, no, she basically spiraled out of control.
I'm pretty sure she's like...
unidentified
She wasn't ready for that.
tim pool
I cannot.
No one can.
You cannot walk down the street randomly in, say, New York, grab a random guy and say, we're going to put you on in a movie that's going to be seen by 500 million people around the world.
It doesn't work.
It's going to overwhelm them.
It's a culture shift.
It causes a psychological shock.
brett dasovic
Like winning the lottery when they're not ready to have that much money.
tim pool
And people don't know what to do with this money.
It's crazy how people don't realize how expensive things scale up to be and how much you can spend, how quickly you can spend it.
And so a lot of people in the lottery and then they're like, I can give someone 50 grand and then a month later they have zero.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
tim pool
How did that happen?
brett dasovic
The podcast version would be you, uh, you're Hayley Welch, Hawk Tua, and then you end up doing a crypto scam and then everything, yeah.
unidentified
Okay, I was talking about her two days ago.
brett dasovic
I think she was back to putting content out, but it was never the same.
unidentified
She missed the mark on that.
She missed the boat on that.
She had terrible advice.
I mean, she had an opportunity with that platform to really, truly grow something substantial, and she just got caught up in it.
brett dasovic
Yeah, because they had the Paul brothers backing on their podcast network.
unidentified
See, that's unfortunate to me.
When that kind of success can happen to someone who's not prepared for it, it can spiral them out of control, or they can actually turn it into something pretty incredible.
I mean, it's not to say that that happens.
It happened to Jordan Peterson, but I mean, after he exploded, I mean, he handled it pretty damn well, but he had the psychological wherewithal to actually handle it and the team around him, whereas people like her, who just on the street become the people, it doesn't work.
brett dasovic
Well, I mean, a lot of the people that end up being really successful have strong work ethics that allow them to fall into a pattern of working hard, knowing how to capitalize on it.
But if somebody just gets lucky and hits a hole in one and their video goes on the front of every YouTube channel, you would have had to have also had very good luck to also be the type of person who could have that kind of windfall fall in your lap and then capitalize on it.
But if you don't work to get there, it's a lot harder.
serge du preez
Success is preparation meets opportunity.
unidentified
Of course.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't know that Haley has anything of significant substance.
unidentified
I was going to say of substance.
brett dasovic
I mean, that doesn't always matter, especially if you're in the female podcast space and you're talking about female issues.
It's not necessarily about having something super interesting to say.
It's about commiserating around the things that affect your life because women like podcasts like that.
tim pool
I want to explain something, too, about these conspiracies.
unidentified
Easy with the blanket term.
I think those podcasts make me want to jump on things.
tim pool
There is a functional, infinite number of podcasts on YouTube right now.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
YouTube or the CIA doesn't need to recruit someone and then say, we want you to run our covert propaganda arm where you promote these ideas.
What they do is, they go into their database and say, here's a seemingly infinite number of podcasts.
We're going to use an algorithm, an AI.
We want somebody who is pro-Israel, pro-military, pro-intervention in Ukraine, calm, marketable, and then it's going to be like, here's seven channels that do this.
And they're going to say, Put this on the front page of YouTube for everyone right now.
And then three months later, some guy's got a million subs.
He's like, wow, people love my channel.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, YouTube hates me, so I can't.
Oh, you had Chris on.
Oh, good.
tim pool
That was a while ago.
That was March.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
He's a friend of mine.
We're from the same town.
tim pool
Yeah, he's cool.
unidentified
Yeah, he's a great guy.
tim pool
That was an episode from March.
unidentified
Oh, I love that, though.
phil labonte
That was right before we went to Australia and got arrested.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
and got arrested.
unidentified
Got arrested again for the honor.
tim pool
My friends, we are going to go to your chats, so smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know, and my friends, head over to timcast.com, assuming you're not in Canada, and click join us.
to become a member and get in the Discord server.
This is an online community of tens of thousands of people We do an uncensored call-in show where this chat appears on screen during the show, often to tens of thousands of people.
We've been averaging on the Rumble side of things for the Uncensored show maybe like 40k in the Uncensored portion in the beginning.
And it could be your chat, people see.
Or more importantly, you as a member can call in and talk to us and our guests on the show.
Not to mention there's video game hangouts.
There's a seven days to die.
Is that the name of the game?
Video game zombie servers.
There's a jam session where we even have a guest.
Ian got some guests to come in to play music and write songs with our members.
The point is to build community.
So if you're looking for step one to figure out how to get off your ass and get involved, TimCast.com's Discord, tens of thousands of people at any given moment, and they want to be friends with you.
Because we're trying to build networks of individuals who want to make things happen.
And also we have the Culture War live events, which is where we did it.
The first one we did was members only.
As a member of the Discord, you could get a free ticket to the show.
What we're going to do next is we're going to have this plus public access tickets as well.
But if you're a member, it means you're going to have privy to access to a lot of this stuff.
So please consider becoming a member at TimCast.com to support the work we do and get in that Discord server.
For now, let's grab your Rumble Rants and Super Chats and see what y 'all have to say.
unidentified
Now I know why you guys told me not to give me a second shot of the photo because oh my god.
tim pool
Of what?
unidentified
The photo.
tim pool
Oh, you think the pictures of people?
Oh, it's bad.
You think you look bad.
unidentified
Oh, I don't care.
I know I was told it doesn't matter.
But the point is I just noticed it.
Thank you for that.
tim pool
All right, we got Change Wilder, always the first to Super Chat, to Rumble Rant.
I keep saying patience is a virtue.
Lash being arrested shows the Trump admin is working on dismantling the deep state, but getting hard evidence takes time.
You don't want them off on a technicality.
Indeed, the arrest of that Lash guy for trying to sell secrets took, I think, two months?
Longer than that.
It was like March when they found this guy.
And if I wasn't familiar...
And the FBI intercepted him where he explained that he had disdain for the Trump administration and was willing to sell these secrets for citizenship elsewhere.
Evil people exist.
Shimo says, stay at her mom's, consider this a lifetime disability, and men get a job.
Taxes pay for it only if you're married.
What do you think, Phil?
phil labonte
What?
unidentified
What?
phil labonte
I think that I need you to send another Rumble rant that clarifies what you're asking.
tim pool
She must have separation anxiety can be considered an issue that people can use in order to stay at home with their babies.
Stay at her mom's.
Consider this a lifetime disability.
Is stay at her mom's a person?
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
Okay.
phil labonte
I don't think that separation anxiety should be considered a lifetime disability.
unidentified
Yeah, because it's definitely not.
phil labonte
That's a good place to start, I guess.
tim pool
These are really good super chats.
NNY says, Tim, Brett is your employee and you have dominion over him.
Command him to not only watch Star Trek, but enjoy it as well.
phil labonte
The look on his face is great.
brett dasovic
Never, never, not once.
Not a day in my life.
You can't make me.
tim pool
I do want to say just real quick, guys.
phil labonte
Can I pay you?
tim pool
Totally as an aside.
brett dasovic
I'd rather be unemployed.
tim pool
As an aside, guys, we have a new announcement for HR policy.
Watching Star Trek The Next Generation is going to be a job requirement for all staff and contractors moving forward.
phil labonte
I mean, it's a good show.
Easy ask.
Easy ask.
tim pool
Patriot Paladin says, Dodger Stadium was flooded after that drag queen performance mocked God and Christ at Dodgers game.
It did!
It happened!
unidentified
I remember that.
Here we go again!
That's just one of those moments.
phil labonte
Crazy.
tim pool
Black Pringle says, so Tim, you must have missed the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ooh, no.
brett dasovic
Yeah, but didn't the Dodgers win the World Series like the year after that, though?
tim pool
What did Seamus say?
If God doesn't smite the United States, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology?
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
I don't know if he feels good about saying that.
unidentified
I was like, dude, Seamus, geez.
tim pool
I think he was saying it's someone else's quote, I'm not sure.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, look, there's some validity to that.
Granted, I think Sodom and Gomorrah, everybody was kind of rapey.
tim pool
They wanted those angels, bro.
So this one's bait, obviously.
unidentified
Rapey.
tim pool
What is this?
Philocoraptor.
unidentified
Philocoraptor.
tim pool
I understand what he was trying to do, but it doesn't say that.
It says Philocoraptor.
He says, Tim doesn't understand middle-class struggles because he has never been middle-class.
The excuse of leftists as to...
people need to understand this about leftists.
When I went to Occupy Wall Street...
These Occupy activists would go, see, man?
Like, you're the perfect example of what's wrong with this country.
Like, a young guy, you're smart, you're dedicated and passionate.
Where's your success?
Where's your American dream, man?
You know?
And then, How old were you when they made that comment about where is your success?
phil labonte
Cracker.
tim pool
25. And so at Occupy Wall Street in October, Walking around, sleeping in the park, and this is exactly what they were saying.
They were like, see, people like you, man, drop out of high school.
There's no American dream.
The wealthy are funneling all the cash away while paying the lobbyists.
You're the perfect example of everything until I became successful.
And then I was silver spoon, privileged.
And this is what they do.
Like, these people live in this world where they can't succeed because— My family lost their house in a bankruptcy, and I was homeless several periods, several points in my life.
brett dasovic
They assume almost everybody who has any money inherited it from their parents.
unidentified
Right.
And they're not willing to hear the story before that either.
No, you're successful now.
You're the guy now, so it's obvious.
tim pool
And then you get people who go, yeah, well, you're the exception.
You're lucky.
And I'm like, so weird that everybody who succeeded did similar things.
This is why there are people who pay.
For seminars from PBD.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because they don't believe.
They don't believe those lies of you can't succeed.
They see a male success and they say, I need to go to those events and hear what he has to say.
Now, not every ticket for Patrick Bet-David's show is 20 grand.
Those are like VIP elite packages where you can get in a private room with him and like Tom Brady or something.
But people want to go and learn.
And while certainly some people might have criticisms of PBD and those seminars that he does.
I don't care about that.
My point is individuals who are willing to spend and invest and try and figure it out at the very least.
How to be better people and be successful are on the right path.
brett dasovic
Yeah, I have infinitely more respect for a person who's going out and seeking a way to better their life than somebody who just assumes that they've been destined to whatever hell they find themselves in now and say that everything is rigged against them.
The idea of like radical personal responsibility where you take extreme ownership of your actions is something that I think actually separates a lot of the people on the left and the right.
unidentified
Do you have to pay Jocko every time you say that?
brett dasovic
No.
unidentified
I just wanted to make sure.
tim pool
Jocko Malk is the best protein powder ever made.
We've got like 12 bags of Jocko protein powder downstairs.
Have you tried it?
unidentified
I prefer something a lot cleaner like Noble, which is like made in Texas and like nose to tail and doesn't have any fillers.
Like Jocko?
No comment.
tim pool
You're not a fan of what?
There's no Splenda in it.
There's no fake sugars.
unidentified
I've tried it.
I'm not a big fan of it.
It doesn't work with my stomach.
That's why I use it.
tim pool
I can't stand it.
I swear by it.
Never met the guy.
unidentified
I don't know the guy.
tim pool
He's never sponsored us or anything.
I was looking for non-Splenda proteins.
And they all have Splenda.
It's disgusting.
And then I looked it up, and Jocko's came up, and I looked at the ingredients, and I said, okay, I'll try this, and it's amazing.
unidentified
I mean, it tastes good.
I just thought it doesn't work with me.
I had to find one that, like, worked with me.
Like, I have a TBI, so everything that goes in my gut needs to at least be somewhat dialed in.
tim pool
I do have to take a step back.
I know that we were doing the chats, but the chat reminded me we did not talk about Sasquatch.
unidentified
And that's an important video.
tim pool
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
This is it.
We have a video definitively proving that anybody will believe fake videos on the internet.
Okay, this is a video that purportedly shows big Sasquatch.
Is there sound on this?
There's no sound.
unidentified
Look at that.
tim pool
You see him?
unidentified
That's really funny.
Listen, it's a human.
tim pool
Well, that's someone who's being skeptical, right?
There he is.
unidentified
Sasquatch.
tim pool
You guys see that?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Look at him.
brett dasovic
I love the...
unidentified
That's really funny.
Oh!
Oh, there we go.
tim pool
Why won't it play?
Where is he?
There he is!
unidentified
Sasquatch!
brett dasovic
Maybe bro's just hairy.
unidentified
Bro's just hairy.
phil labonte
Maybe he's just wearing a fur jacket.
brett dasovic
I love the deeply profound comment that says, man in a costume, you can tell because of the way it is.
tim pool
I mean, I'm not even convinced a guy in a costume.
It might just be a guy wearing furs.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then someone filmed it from far away and they're like, Sasquatch!
unidentified
It's in the woods.
It's gotta be him.
tim pool
But, you know what?
Because we don't know, I'm going to just choose to believe it's Sasquatch.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
And that proves it.
He's been found.
brett dasovic
No, it's what Mitch Hedberg said.
I just think Bigfoot is blurry.
tim pool
Yeah.
What did he say?
A blurry monster?
brett dasovic
He's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside.
phil labonte
I'm consistently out-of-focus.
tim pool
Do you guys know that West Virginia has more cryptids than any other state in the country?
brett dasovic
You just had Tony Merkel on for Culture War last week, right?
He's from the Confessionals.
phil labonte
I'm not even sure what a cryptid is.
tim pool
Cryptid?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Bigfoot.
Oh, okay.
Chupacabra.
Snallygaster.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
What else do we have?
phil labonte
Snallygaster.
That one I just heard about recently.
tim pool
Yeah, don't you know?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Do you guys know about Spring-Heeled Jack?
brett dasovic
What?
tim pool
Bro.
Well, it was like some dude who could jump off buildings and like jump 20 feet in the air or whatever.
And he was like, was it New Jersey or something?
In the UK?
Spring-Heeled Jack.
brett dasovic
See, they're rebooting the X-Files, and if they want to do something, that's the type of stuff they should be covering.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure they did.
Check this out.
Spring-Heeled Jack.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
It's in English folklore, 1837.
There were sightings reported all over the UK.
Basically, this dude...
This is that man.
He was described by people who have seen him as having terrifying and frightening appearance with diabolical physiognomy, clawed hands and eyes that resembled red balls of fire.
phil labonte
Bad man.
tim pool
And, like, I guess, what was it?
He could jump super high or something?
Yeah, he'd make extraordinary leaps to the point to begin the topic of several works of fiction.
brett dasovic
That's Superman, though.
unidentified
That's parkour.
phil labonte
He looks like that.
tim pool
You know what's funny is it really could have just been a guy doing parkour.
unidentified
That's what I mean.
It's like early parkour before it was a thing.
But looks like Batman.
tim pool
We're in West Virginia and this is Cryptid HQ.
Let me pull up Wow, Google's got it right here.
Look at this.
Mothman.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Yeah, do you know about Mothman?
unidentified
No, it's creepy, though.
tim pool
Bro, have you ever seen the Mothman Chronicles?
That was the movie?
phil labonte
It's a movie, yeah.
tim pool
And wasn't it based on a true story or something?
phil labonte
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Okay, give me more.
More, please.
Tell me more.
tim pool
So, who was it?
Gene Hackman.
No, not Gene Hackman.
What's his face?
What's the actor's name?
I can't remember.
Someone look up his name.
He's in his hotel room and he's investigating...
Yes.
There you go.
He's in his hotel room and he gets a phone call.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And then it tells him to open the Bible and choose any page, any passage.
And then it starts reading to him the passage that he chose and he freaks out.
And then basically it was warning him.
Who was it?
The actor?
Did you look it up?
phil labonte
It's Richard Gere.
tim pool
Richard Gere!
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
I knew there was like a G-E something.
He's trying to warn people a bridge is going to collapse because he's been warned by this entity, the Mothman.
They think the Mothman is just an owl.
And what was happening is that it's pitch black outside and there's an owl sitting on a post right next to the road.
And when people would drive past it slowly, they'd look to their right and their brains would be confused.
Their brain would process the silhouette as being far away.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And very large instead of up close and very small.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So they were looking at an owl with glowing eyes, not a massive Mothman.
unidentified
Ah, this makes more sense.
Ah, okay.
That's terrifying.
tim pool
Yep.
Or maybe there's a Mothman.
phil labonte
Maybe.
tim pool
A Grafton monster.
Dude, Sheep Squatch.
unidentified
Sheep Squatch.
tim pool
Yeah, no joke.
Sheep Squatch, dude.
unidentified
Is this around here?
tim pool
So they, yes.
So in Fallout 76, the video game, All of these monsters are in it because it takes place in West Virginia.
unidentified
So all of the monsters live in West Virginia.
tim pool
So West Virginia has more cryptid sightings than any other place in the country.
unidentified
Why do you think that is?
phil labonte
Meth.
unidentified
I love how you had that ready.
tim pool
Sheep Squatch, known as the white thing.
Look at this.
unidentified
That sounds racist.
tim pool
You can't even see that stupid picture.
In 94, a former Navy seaman said he had witnessed the beast breaking through the forest.
The white thing breached the brush line and knelt to drink from the creek.
Here it drank for a few minutes before crossing the creek and continuing towards the nearby road.
The witness stated that he observed the animal for a while before it moved under the surrounding brush.
Many sightings of Sheepsquatch.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
You know, everyone's always talking about Sasquatch, but, you know, ain't nobody talking about Sheepsquatch.
phil labonte
Right?
tim pool
You know, I think, you know.
Snallygaster.
Look at the Veggie Man.
unidentified
Oh my god.
phil labonte
They actually just brought up the Snallygaster the other day, and I was like, what is this?
I've never heard of it.
tim pool
What is the Vegetable Man of West Virginia?
Look at this.
He's like, a carrot?
Looks like Mr. Burns from that episode where he was an alien.
The Vegetable Man of West Virginia is a little-known hoax.
Ah, okay.
So that's fakes.
Fake.
In the 50s, a hoaxer made...
This is probably what The Simpsons based it off of, to be honest.
A UFO in the woods with a vegetable man.
unidentified
I was just told to stay out of the mountains.
tim pool
I think Batboy's real, right?
phil labonte
Batboy?
tim pool
Yeah, as another cryptid.
Not real, I'm saying it was like an actual cryptid.
People thought it was real and it was like...
Look at this.
unidentified
But hold on, because you said meth.
brett dasovic
Well, when you've been up for four days at a time...
unidentified
Because these are looking like 1800s.
When was meth a thing?
Did you get what I'm saying?
brett dasovic
I mean, they used to put cocaine in Coca-Cola.
Yeah, no, fair enough.
unidentified
But I'm saying, like, 1800s, these all came out around the same time.
serge du preez
Yeah, but they were also trying to keep kids out of the forest, you know?
unidentified
Oh, yeah, fair enough.
serge du preez
That's all, you know, the other story, yeah.
tim pool
The Flatwoods Monster is, uh, what is it?
On September 12th, 1952, after a bright light crossed the sky, investigators now suggest the light was a meteor and the creature was a barn owl.
And this is what people described it as.
Two brothers, Edward and Fred May, Descriptions varied, blah, blah, blah, but there you go.
I don't know.
The Flatwoods Monster.
unidentified
You guys have a lot of monsters out here.
serge du preez
But it's so dark out here in the woods at night.
I feel like you can just see some weird stuff.
unidentified
Oh, they were driving me out here.
I said, where are we going?
tim pool
Oh, the Snarly Yow.
unidentified
Where am I going?
tim pool
The Snarly Yow.
Bro, we got too many.
Look at that.
unidentified
Oh my god.
tim pool
Bro, it's like somebody saw a coyote with mange and was like, it's a monster!
unidentified
Does any other state have this many creatures?
serge du preez
No.
unidentified
It's just here, hey?
Yes.
Okay.
serge du preez
You should go outside.
tim pool
No, I'm solid.
unidentified
I'll say inside.
tim pool
Let me tell you what I think it is.
West Virginia has historically been sparsely populated because of the mountains.
It's hard to move wagons through West Virginia.
So even though it's on the East Coast, it's one of the least populated states.
What ends up happening is you have a dude who lives in the middle of the woods several miles away from the next person.
He goes outside.
It's dark.
And he sees, I don't know, a bear.
And he can't tell what it is, and it makes a weird noise, and maybe it's a bear with mange or something.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
He then goes to his neighbor's house like a week later and is like, I tell you, this thing must have been a gigantic monster, eyes glowing, no hair on its body.
I couldn't tell what it was.
And the guy goes, wow.
Then he goes to the bar and says, there was some kind of six, seven foot tall monster, massive, with no hair.
And then a legend starts.
unidentified
And that's how it all is.
tim pool
When you live in New York, however, if a deer runs through the city, 700 people go, we just saw a deer.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Instantly everybody's like, oh, everybody said it was a deer.
So when you hear stories about like, actually here's a good example.
You know the story of the Cyclops, where it comes from?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They found elephant skulls.
unidentified
Oh, no way.
tim pool
You ever see an elephant skull?
unidentified
Yes.
That would make sense.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so they started telling stories of a gigantic monster with one eye because it, you can't really tell because this image is too small, but it works anyway.
Somebody sees this skull with a big hole and they think that's the eye socket and there's the nose when in fact that's actually the nose.
And then they tell everybody we found a giant skull.
And then a bunch of guys are like, oh, we saw it.
Things like that.
So I imagine if you go way back in the day, like 2,000 years ago, some dude is like walking through the forest when he encounters like a wolf with mange and he fights it off.
Then he goes into town and he starts describing exaggerating.
Right.
This great exaggeration.
So West Virginia, with very few people, sheep squatch.
Sheep squatch comes out.
Right.
It's a ram.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
A very large ram a guy sees breaking its way through the trees, and the guy's tired and groggy, and he sees it, and he's like, whoa, and then tells him, it was a sheep, but it was huge, like some kind of monster, and then you get sheep squatch.
unidentified
I mean, it's pretty amazing.
You guys have a lot here.
A lot to be proud of.
tim pool
Indeed.
Indeed.
Yep, West Virginia's famous for it.
All right.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's get back to it and grab some more of those super chats.
What have we here?
Smacky the Frog says, I am sure Derek Chauvin appreciated God's show of solidarity while he was sitting in a cell.
Why smite Biden after he ran the country into a ditch?
The prime time for an act of God was before he victimized his family.
You could also just say, like, why punish them after they die if they're doing bad things?
Because I don't think that's the system.
I don't know.
You know?
Like, the punishment is for what?
After you do?
Alright.
What is this?
We got a big one.
Big super chat.
Wow, this is a big one.
Working single-handed says, My son should be at his high school graduation tonight.
Instead, I'm at his ICU bedside after a horrific multi-fatality crash last Saturday.
By God's mercy alone, he survived.
It's a miracle.
We've seen his hand all week.
All glory to him.
Please pray and share.
Give, send, go.
What is it?
Tristan A. Recovery?
Is that what it says?
phil labonte
Yeah.
If you're...
Well, I...
He actually tweeted the same thing at me.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
phil labonte
So if you're the praying type, pray for Jonathan Ruzich, kid.
tim pool
Yeah, I think when I was younger, I didn't...
And then I've experienced things and witnessed things where I'm like, "Yeah, there's a God." And I think two things.
And that's the easiest way to explain it, I guess.
And I wonder if the issue on top of that is they haven't researched enough into it.
unidentified
Well, again, I also think, too, it comes down to when people are told something for so long and then they are – They're unwilling to go and actually go through the experience because there's a chance it will completely change their entire fabric of reality.
And that's what happens.
Well, that's that or psychedelics.
I mean, it just depends.
tim pool
Yeah.
You know, I don't feel that Bill Maher was listening to me when I was trying to explain the observable reality creating a probabilistic outcome of God.
unidentified
Was it the weed?
tim pool
Well, he was stoned out of his mind, for sure.
unidentified
Could it have been the weed where he was not just checked?
tim pool
I do think he was largely listening to what I was saying in the conversation.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But this was right towards the end.
And instead of asking anything about what I explained, he just said, I love how cute it is that people come up with these ways to, to believe what they want or whatever.
unidentified
Cute.
Thanks.
tim pool
Right, because I was literally talking about the entropy and negative entropy and the structure of reality and why certain particles fuse together and create...
Why is there a weaker opposite to entropy?
And he just didn't really engage in the conversation.
unidentified
Can I ask you something?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Do you think that Just do.
Bad joke.
I'm sorry.
Do you think that there's these moments where you're having these conversations with individuals like, for example, Bill Maher, where regardless of the cannabis or whatever else he's drinking or whatever else is going on, where they're just not intellectually strong enough to...
Of course.
Okay, I just wanted to make sure.
tim pool
I think it's, I read about this a long time ago.
There's a phenomenon in psychology where, you know what, don't worry about what I read.
Brandon Strzok explained how he felt physical pain when he actually had his worldview disproven to him.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
He had firmly believed that Trump was bad, he had seen the videos, and then when someone actually showed him proof that he was wrong, he felt a physical pain in his whole body.
And I read about this a long time ago, and the reason why humans have – so let's put it this way.
There's a study of social engineering.
It is a hacker discipline about manipulating people to make them do the things you want them to do.
It is principally how hackers gain control of systems.
They don't code computers.
They trick people.
It's easier.
And so in this study, there are – people have compiled information from psychology such as when you want to approach someone.
Who you know to be adversarial or in opposition to you, you must always approach them from rapport, meaning lie and agree with them.
This breaks the first barrier where they say, we are of the same tribe, I cannot trust you.
Otherwise, if you approach them as an enemy, they'll disregard whatever you say.
It also talks about how, I should say, the readings that I did talked about how the evolutionary purpose for a visceral physical reaction.
To information that disproves what you think you know is because humans evolved based on the things they trusted to be true.
And the humans that survived to their late 20s must have figured something out that was correct.
Don't eat that mushroom.
It will kill you.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Don't eat that plant.
It's poisonous.
Or here's a better example.
There's a tribe of people and they find a patch of various red fruits and one person tries it and dies and they all panic and run.
They discover that every time someone tries to eat one of these different red fruits, they die.
So they develop a practice of never eat the red fruit until one day someone finds a tomato.
And they all say, you're crazy, you're wrong, and they try smacking out of his hand, they get angry.
But tomatoes aren't poisonous.
It was the other fruits.
But because they evolved to survive based off that presumption, the reason why they get angry is to protect the human.
doing things that could cause them to die.
And so they say that your mind closes up in your mid-20s and there's a period in your late 40s where it starts to reopen.
This triggers in men midlife crises.
The reason being, we also evolved to survive by reassessing what we think to be true at a certain point in our lives.
But this means that human beings throughout history who were willing to believe anything were less likely to survive.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And human beings that learned and then at adulthood solidify those beliefs and rejected anything that would challenge them, were more likely to survive because what they learned led them to survive.
Thus, people have psychotic breaks and mental breakdowns, anger and rage.
If you present them information that can counter their worldview.
unidentified
Well, I've watched his show recently, just more and more now that it seems like he's doing it more consistently.
depending on who he has on.
I mean, he had Charlie Kirk on, and I watched that interview, and I watched that back and forth, and it seemed like there was just this very dismissive, divisive conversation where he was unwilling to not even just...
Like, how dare you even say those things in my space?
Like, how dare you even have that or attempt to have that conversation?
Because it does feel like with Bill, if there's any point where you maybe, I don't want to say have one up on him, or you're able to make a pretty solid point with evidence, he's very dismissive.
And I noticed that with you.
And that's why I wondered how you feel about that when that happens to you.
I get it.
I don't care, though.
That's an excuse.
I mean, you're still a human being hosting a show.
Your job is to host a show and have a give and take.
And if you're going to be dismissive and a blank to people, then that kind of just makes me not want to pay attention to you at all because you're just not giving anybody the time of day to be, I don't know, a decent human being.
That's my perspective.
Now, that doesn't have to be anybody else's, but that's what I notice.
And when people are dismissive like that, I have a hard time wanting to listen to them or even respect anything they have to say because they're unwilling to think outside the box or even just imagine for a moment outside of their delusion that other people could be feeling or thinking something different.
tim pool
Also, you know what he said to me is that And I'm like, but that's just plum not true.
unidentified
That's my point.
tim pool
That's presumptive.
The idea that we can't know is presumptive.
You are making a declarative fact-based statement, whereas I could simply say, now hold on.
We might.
I don't know.
What might science discover?
Maybe, you know, when we discovered the electromagnetic spectrum, nobody thought...
What if eventually someone's like, we've discovered the God spectrum, and then they're like, there's actually a way to tap into and communicate directly with God, and then one day someone's like, we built this weird machine, watch this, you press it, and then God appears, and he's like, hey, what's up?
He doesn't know that's not going to happen.
unidentified
But the certainty in people and individuals like that, it was like somebody, Joe just had this guy on from, he was an Egyptologist, I believe.
I don't, I can't for the life of me, I can't think of his name.
But yeah, he had him on and just to listen, but Joe's like, you don't believe in aliens?
And he's like, oh, Joe, I'm a scientist.
Just the level of ignorance to think or even with somebody like Neil deGrasse Tyson, where he's having these conversations, it's like just the level of ignorance for such an intelligent individual to not even be willing to open the mind enough to go.
You know what that could happen?
That's the thing that gets me about these people.
It's like if you want to come on shows and have conversations and you want to be quite hard lined, I get it.
But if you're a host of a show like Bill Maher and then you have an individual like yourself who's very clearly very intellectual in comparison to him when he's too stoned to handle his life, it's just very, to me...
I don't want to listen to you now.
You're just kind of irritating.
tim pool
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