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phil labonte
The United States economy added 177,000 jobs in April.
This is up from 145, I believe, was the...
135 projected.
That led to a significantly good day on Wall Street.
The traders seem to like that a lot, which is not really a surprise.
Considering how volatile the stock market has been in the past couple weeks with all the trade...
This actually led to a positive economic outlook for the Trump administration.
So we're going to talk about that today.
We have new court audio from 2020 from the wife of Kilmar Arbrego Garcia.
He's said to have hit her repeatedly.
This shouldn't really come as a significant surprise considering the allegations that he's...
It's been violent in the past.
There were multiple times that she was trying to get a court order, restraining order from him.
So we'll discuss that.
There was an attack at the Virginia Department of Corrections.
I'm not sure which actual installation it was, but three corrections officers were stabbed by MS-13 gang members.
So this actually...
Seems to be—this is a new breaking story, too.
Bill Malugan was reporting it, so we'll get into that.
Democrats are starting to pull out of the impeachment resolution, showing that it's not actually popular among all Democrats to continuously try to obstruct and create issues.
So we'll get into that.
The HHS recommends therapy, not sex change, to treat gender dysphoria.
So that is a positive, I guess, if you have a realistic opinion about trans people.
So we'll talk about that.
Then there's some information about...
Trans militants in Portland.
Be trans, throw hands.
They're an activist group and they're talking about teaching children how to fight in order to defend themselves if they're trans.
So we'll talk about that.
We'll discuss Antifa agitators in our local area here in Maryland.
There have been assaults for the Mayday protest because apparently that has something to do with being trans, I guess.
And then we've got...
The ADF has been classified as a right-wing extremist group in the German intelligence agency, says.
And that speaks to the way that the left is treating right-wing groups across Europe.
So we'll get into that.
And then if we have time...
New Jersey judge has moved Mahmoud Khalil's deportation out of immigration court and into federal court, and we'll get into why that actually matters.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Cliff Maloney.
How are you doing?
cliff maloney
I'm great.
Good to be here, guys.
Cliff Maloney, CEO at Citizens Alliance, founder at the P.A. Chase.
Knock a lot of doors out there to crush the rhinos, beat the commies, and I'm looking to doze your state.
So get involved.
Follow me on xatmaloney.
Appreciate you all having me.
phil labonte
Awesome.
And we've also got Courtney Nill here.
courtney knill
Hi, this is Courtney Nill.
I am running for Charlestown City Council in Jefferson County, West Virginia.
I'm also a creator over on X with political and health content, and that's at Courtney Nill on X. Awesome.
phil labonte
Moon Lord.
ian crossland
Hey, buddy.
I'm here just to talk about magic.
So, you want me to go deeper, Phil?
phil labonte
Not right now.
We'll get into that.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
I'll give you an outro at the end of the show.
I'll tell you about what I've been up to.
But Libby, tell me.
phil labonte
Awesome.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm here from the Postmillennial and Humanevents.com.
Glad to be on the show tonight with y 'all.
phil labonte
Awesome.
So let's get into it.
CNN reports the U.S. economy added a stronger than expected 177,000 jobs in April.
America's long, resilient job market continues to defy expectations in the...
The U.S. economy added a surprisingly strong 177,000 jobs in April, a slight slowdown from March's downwardly revised 185,000 gain.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics data released Friday, April's gain was stronger than the average pace of monthly job growth in the three prior months.
Meanwhile, the unemployment rate was unchanged at 4.2, a historically low level.
Economists pulled a data firm fact set.
We're expecting the economy to have added just 135,000 jobs last month, and that unemployment rate held at 4.2%.
So it's my sense that the jobs...
You know, report is something that is positive for the economy overall, but the uncertainty is still there.
Does anyone have any opinion on the economy now?
I mean, I'm not an economist, but I think that...
Serge is an economist.
I think that the jobs report is a tangible, whereas the stock market really doesn't affect...
You know, people the same way that, you know, having, you know, low unemployment does.
What do you think, Cliff?
cliff maloney
Yeah, I'd say this.
I think that you've got different indicators that obviously the political arena is going to look to.
This is one that the Democrats will be mad about.
Republicans will praise it.
And I think any realist would look at it and say, OK, you know, I'm going to praise it because it's good.
We want more jobs.
But to me, it's going to come down to what's the impact of the tariffs?
What's the impact of the spending bills towards the end of this year?
Do we actually cut the spending that Doge has showed us all this waste, fraud, and abuse?
But I think this is the first step, is to track some of these smaller things, because this is going to dictate 2026.
When you're looking at this midterm election, these are the small numbers, but I think it's going to build towards this idea of, well, are we actually going to cut spending?
Are we actually going to do what the Republicans said they would do?
And I think the tariffs, to me, it's the big question.
But I think seeing these numbers, you're going to see the right screaming, this is great.
You're going to see the left saying, hey, oops, here's actually what's wrong.
But I think it's a very good thing to see, and obviously we'd love to see more jobs.
phil labonte
It's business as usual as far as you're concerned.
cliff maloney
Correct.
phil labonte
Okay.
libby emmons
Well, the White House is super happy about it.
They sent out this whole...
They sent out this whole thing with the details.
So there were, as you said, 177,000 new jobs, which they said was smashing expectations.
This included private education and health services, 70,000 new jobs, transportation and warehousing, which I thought was interesting, 29,000 leisure and hospitality, plus 24,000 professional and business services, plus 17,000 and financial activities, 14,000.
So all of those people that were saying that everything Trump was doing was going to...
Hank, the economy and get everyone fired right away.
It looks like they were wrong.
Also, all of the people who are saying that, you know, removing illegal immigrants was going to be bad for the American people.
Like, there's still jobs.
That's not so bad.
And the stock market has responded.
I think it was up.
What is the Wall Street Journal says?
1.3% on the NASDAQ and the S&P was 1.5%.
So, you know.
I think that things are looking okay.
Unemployment also held steady at 4.2%.
It's really, though, I mean, as we know, right, like the economy...
All of these numbers come out.
The White House says things.
Democrats say things.
Everybody has their projections.
But it's really about how you feel when you're going around in the world.
It's about, like, do you feel good when you have $100 in your pocket, or do you feel like you are losing money?
Do you know what I mean?
Like, do you feel like you can afford your life or not?
phil labonte
I don't get the sense that the average person feels like the economy is doing really well.
And I think that the economy is one of those things.
If you get enough people that are kind of like apprehensive about where the country is heading, that's going to affect the economy, even if we've got really high or full employment or unemployment is really low.
Do you guys get the sense that there is a positive notion towards the economy or the economic situation in the US?
Or do you think that the tariffs have scared people so much that they're expecting negative things too much and that it's going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy?
courtney knill
Well, I think people can get a little bit spooked when they hear things like the tariffs that we've just been discussing.
And once people get through that, once they're like, okay, all right, maybe it's not going to be the end of the world that we have some tariffs going on.
I think people will look at their grocery prices and they'll look at what's affecting their day-to-day life, sometimes more than numbers coming in and things like that, just the average person.
phil labonte
So I don't know a whole lot about...
About if tariffs are going to affect grocery prices.
It's my sense that they're not, but I don't know.
Does anyone have any information about that?
Libby, do you know any more about...
Do you think they're going to actually affect the grocery?
Because I think you're right, Courtney.
I think if people feel like they're going to the grocery store, because that's the most regular purchase that most people do, that and gas.
And if they're going to the grocery store and they don't feel like they're getting killed...
I think that things like Timu being more expensive on Amazon, or Timu is different than Amazon, but things that you're buying from Amazon being more expensive will have less impact if you're going to the grocery store and you're not getting crushed, or you don't feel like you're getting crushed.
libby emmons
I think the White House has done a really good job of messaging in terms of letting people know that buying little cheap pieces of crap off Timu or Amazon, where when you buy stuff on Amazon at this point, like I was looking for a thing the other day for my cat, like just a dumb thing for my cat,
you know, put the litter box in so I don't have to look at it.
Anyway, you know, people with cats, you know what I'm talking about.
It was very hard to find one that wasn't just made in China that I didn't know when it was ever going to show up or if it was going to be like the picture said it was.
And I'm constantly, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, I'm constantly looking for like, was this made in the U.S.?
Is this going to be decent quality?
You know, like I have this situation with printers.
How many printers have I bought in the past like three or four years?
cliff maloney
I cannot get a printer to work.
libby emmons
I can't get a printer.
Right.
Right.
It's like it just one little aspect of it just stops working.
What I wouldn't give for, like, the toaster my grandma had in the 80s.
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
You don't want your toaster connected to Wi-Fi?
libby emmons
I don't want that.
I don't want the talking fridge.
I don't want any of these things.
But I do want stuff that works and stuff that lasts.
You know?
And so, like...
And I keep hearing, like I was listening to this podcast the other day.
It was on Honestly.
I don't know if you guys listen to Barry Weiss's podcast ever.
She's kind of interesting.
But you had two people with contrasting views.
Bhatia Anghar Sargon, who I think is really an interesting figure.
phil labonte
She's very, very much a cheerleader for the administration.
libby emmons
She's very much a cheerleader for the administration.
But she's also kind of a socialist.
And, you know, she lives in Brooklyn.
phil labonte
She's a surprising cheerleader for the administration.
libby emmons
And she's really smart, right?
phil labonte
Yeah, definitely.
libby emmons
Anyway, she was making the argument that it's important to bring home manufacturing jobs, even if factories are going to have AI components and all of this stuff, and that Americans can do these jobs.
And then you had Brianna Wu, who's like this trans-leftist who's also on the show.
And Brianna was talking about how Americans are just not smart enough to do the kind of jobs that they're doing in China.
phil labonte
Brianna has some bad takes.
libby emmons
Bad takes.
phil labonte
And she's had some bad takes.
libby emmons
All around.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
But there they were on the episode and like I was catching up on a lot of podcasts at once.
Anyways, but I think that that's an interesting place to be for Americans.
Do we want these jobs?
Can we do these jobs?
Can we produce quality merchandise?
You know, like when Henry Ford, whatever you want to think about Henry Ford, when Henry Ford started his factory, like one thing he wanted was he wanted his workers to be able to buy a Ford.
phil labonte
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
I do think that it's an interesting question.
Would Americans pay more money for things that are not so disposable?
You hear people talk about consumerism and constantly upgrading, and when something breaks, you just go buy another one because things are so cheap now.
Do you guys get the sense that people are comfortable with buying higher quality and paying more money?
Would you pay $75 for a toaster if you knew that was the last toaster you'd ever have to buy?
unidentified
Oh, yes.
libby emmons
Oh, yes, I would.
ian crossland
I said no because I saw a company did that experiment.
They were like, it's going to cost us, I think, two and a half times more.
If we do it out of China, so they put it on their website, buy it from China for $350 or from America or whatever it was for $790.
phil labonte
What was it?
ian crossland
Zero people bought the American thing.
I'm trying to look it up right now.
libby emmons
That's because the other thing was available at a cheaper price.
The idea is that the $75 toaster is available and it's a good quality toaster and it's made in America or you could get a $90 toaster that's crap and made in China.
That's the idea of these tariffs is from what I understand.
phil labonte
Personally, I will go with something that I know is going to last if I have the option.
And I'll pay a little extra for something that I know that I'm going to have in two, three, five years.
Like, I've got a leather, my leather bag here, it wasn't cheap, but I know that thing's going to last, just as long as I'm not, you know, don't abuse it, it'll last me, probably last for the rest of my life.
libby emmons
Well, and part of it, too, is when you know that things fall apart, we have a situation now where it doesn't matter what you pay for something, it's crap, right?
cliff maloney
Yes, there is no quality.
libby emmons
There is no quality option.
Like, I could pay...
$500 for a printer and it's going to die in a year and just stop working anyway.
You know, I could pay like $1,000 for a dress and the hems aren't finished and it has no lining.
Like, why?
Like, it used to be that if you were going to pay, you feel me on the dress, right?
It used to be if you were going to like buy a piece of designer clothing.
This was a classic item.
It was going to last you 20, 30 years.
You were going to be able to sell it at the consignment shop for good money as well.
Like, good quality pieces.
Now if you buy a designer item, it's just as crappy as whatever you bought at H&M.
It just has a different label.
courtney knill
Yeah, that's where I think we're seeing a big shift is in the fashion space.
And I think a lot of the younger generations are more focused on sustainability and even more focused on cottons, things like that, better materials.
phil labonte
I think you're right, but I'm less versed in fashion, but I know that if I am going to go buy a tool, I'm not going to go to Harbor Freight.
I'm going to go buy a DeWalt, or I'm going to go buy a good quality tool that I know that I can bring back to...
To the manufacturer and be like, yo, this broke if something breaks on it.
But you go to Harbor Freight, you're getting what you pay for.
Now, I know there are people that love Harbor Freight stuff.
Love Harbor Freight because they love that cheap stuff.
But you can't deny that...
The quality is not the same.
And so I think that it does go beyond just, you know, fashion and stuff.
cliff maloney
Well, I think people are a lot simpler than politicians or these economists make them out to be.
It's like consumer choice, right?
If they have options, they're going to look, they're going to see, like you said.
If it's provided, you know, maybe the study shows they don't go that way.
But I think right now what you're having, the argument from America First folks is, look, if we can make this an equal playing field, if we can get China to have to not be able to compete with a price that's a third the cost, then there will be this opportunity
for these products to come in.
Here's the problem.
Politically, you only have a year.
libby emmons
Right. Right.
cliff maloney
So anyone that ever tries to do this, you have one year that you have to have not just the changes made, but then the products have to start coming in.
But most importantly, the voters have to feel the change.
But for them to get these changes in place in time, I mean, we're talking about these changes have to be done by the end of this year, and then you've got to have products start coming in, and they've got to start feeling that by the summer of 2026.
I mean, it's going to be quick.
But to me, I just think people, I'm not calling them stupid.
I just think that most normal people, they're trying to pay their mortgage, put food on the table.
What are the options?
And I think a lot of them don't trust right now this idea that, well, there is a quality product.
Because I'm 33 years old.
There aren't a lot of quality products that I've seen in my lifetime.
It's all cheap garbage.
libby emmons
All crap.
All of it.
And it all breaks.
And then it all just falls apart.
And then you're just like, I worked really hard.
I got paid.
I spent my money on this.
And now it's in the gutter.
courtney knill
And I think Americans are genuinely pissed off about that situation.
libby emmons
It's so infuriating.
Right?
I mean, it's so infuriating.
phil labonte
I think it's one of those things where you're like...
People don't realize they are until, like, something breaks and then they realize, oh, this is frustrating.
And then it goes away.
But then it's something that kind of stays in the back of their mind, but they don't really think about it.
cliff maloney
Well, they order it on Amazon.
It's there in two hours.
unidentified
Yeah.
cliff maloney
It's the same rinse, wash, repeat.
libby emmons
And now there's something where it's, like, hard to return stuff, too.
They make it, like, increasingly harder to return stuff.
phil labonte
I'm not sure what the deal is with Amazon lately, but I've had, like, three orders that I've ordered in the past, like, three weeks and have issues getting to my house.
libby emmons
Last year I bought a pair of shoes for my son.
Instead of the shoes I ordered, it was a pair of used Reeboks with gum on the bottom that showed up in the box.
And I was so grossed out and horrified.
And I couldn't get any response.
And I think I had to take to Twitter to be like, hey, look at this.
cliff maloney
Do you guys actually take the time to return things if we're talking something that's under $50?
ian crossland
I usually do, but they'll just give me the money.
They'll just be like, fine, just keep it and keep the thing.
If I get broke or if it's any kind of food product, they don't want it back.
So if they send you the wrong food product, you just tell them and they'll refund you on the fly.
I don't abuse it, but sometimes they'll literally, like you said, Phil, I'll get like three orders in a row will be wrong every once in a while.
I got a wave of it like two months ago.
I don't know if you guys did.
Two months ago, I got...
cliff maloney
I just think we have it so good and don't realize it because I think the majority of people, and again, some people are having tough times, but the majority of people, you order like a shirt for $30 and it comes in and it's the wrong size.
Are you really going through the process of getting the return label, sending it back?
I just think a lot of people, they're not doing that.
libby emmons
Well, that's why they make it harder to return it because they know that if it's hard to return, most people are just going to eat that $30.
But the thing is, there's two sides of it, right?
So if you don't like shopping on Amazon and getting garbage delivered to your house that's wrong and then just eating the $30 and you want to go to the store and try and buy something there, you can't find the thing at the store.
It's hard to just go buy something at the store that is the thing you need.
So a lot of times you end up having to buy it.
You'll go to Walmart or whatever, and instead of five decent options, there's one option that sucks.
ian crossland
Talk about having a good, even just the idea of the store.
There's a store called The Store that we are just so used to.
libby emmons
I like the store.
I want to go to the store.
I want to go to the mall.
I want to buy stuff at the mall.
phil labonte
I really do miss having the ability to go and pick something up if I need it.
Amazon's cool and stuff, but a lot of times one of the things that I've been waiting on is just red Loctite.
Why am I waiting on red Loctite?
Why don't I go to Lowe's?
Well, because it's on Amazon and I just hit the button and say, okay, it should be here tomorrow.
Well, guess what?
Now I've been waiting a week and a half for my damn red Loctite, you know?
So I do miss the fact that you would just be like, oh, I want to go to the store to get this or I need this and I'll go to the mall and pick it up.
cliff maloney
I had a fun experience on Monday.
I was at the White House for the Eagles celebration.
So I'm trying to buy a green suit and it's...
Plays to this.
You know, I wanted to get a green suit.
I was looking for a Kelly green suit, but any green suit would have done.
But I'm in Vegas.
I'm out there, and I'm like in a massive metro area.
And every single, you know, men's dress store that I would go to.
Now, this is a first world privilege problem, okay?
I'm not talking about a $30 expenditure.
But I'm trying to get this, got this invite.
And every single person would say the same thing.
They're like, oh, well, you know, you can order online.
You know, there's tons of options.
And then I go on Amazon.
I order this Kelly green.
It comes in.
It looks like I'm a leprechaun.
It doesn't fit.
It's horrible.
The material's just garbage.
Yeah, you're right.
I miss that experience.
libby emmons
You used to be able to get that in Philadelphia at Craft Brothers.
There you go.
ian crossland
It's the same with food.
I want to test out my food before I buy my produce.
I want to feel the melon.
Same with the shirt.
I mean, it's the same with the shirt.
But because of this upward momentum of finances, especially since COVID, the acceleration, the hyper-conglomeration of corporations, you're seeing megacorps in control of a lot of sales.
phil labonte
I feel like the issue is that COVID kind of gave us a taste of what it could be.
But as time's gone on, the quality that products used to have from Amazon...
Like, you used to be able to get decent stuff from Amazon.
It's really just gone down the tubes as more and more and more people got used to having things delivered to their house.
It's like, once you get used to that, you knee-jerk to Amazon to get anything, and then...
It's like companies realized, oh, we can just sell garbage on Amazon and people will buy it.
So it's like a, you know, it's an unhappy byproduct of constantly getting stuff from the internet as opposed to going and buying it.
ian crossland
I'm sure they have this conversation on Amazon and they're like, okay, we're going to just sell crap.
We're going to be willing to lower our quality.
phil labonte
Amazon doesn't sell stuff.
ian crossland
Or they'll facilitate the sales of whatever cheap quality.
And then they're like, if they return it, they return it.
It's a cost on us.
Odds are they're not going to return it because they just play on that.
phil labonte
I think you're probably right.
courtney knill
That's why I almost never buy anything from Amazon unless there's something that I just cannot get.
I'm like, nope, I'm going to go to the store.
I'm going to try it on and make sure that it's something decent.
And even still, that's the sad part is that so many of the products that are in the stores, even that you go to look at.
It's terrible.
I had a pair of shorts that I just bought.
I don't normally go to the big department stores, but I went to JCPenney's and I got a pair of shorts.
The first day that I wore the shorts, the button failed.
And it broke out of the whole shorts.
And I'm like, what in the world?
I'm like, what is this garbage?
And I'm like, fine, I'm just buying stuff at Levi's.
I'm like, I know that it'll last longer.
I'm like, this is so stupid.
libby emmons
And it doesn't matter where you buy it.
I mean, you could buy shorts for...
You know, $20.
You could buy shorts for $100.
You could buy shorts for, you know, $200.
The button's going to come off.
The button's going to come off.
ian crossland
Did you guys see, before we move on away from Amazon, that they were going to display the tariff costs on their website?
Yes.
phil labonte
I was hoping they would, and I thought it was a good idea, because at the very least, I want to know if something's coming from China or if something's made in America.
I wish they would tell you.
libby emmons
It was interesting, because it wasn't going to be for the consumer side.
It was for something called Amazon Hall.
Which is like more wholesale or something.
ian crossland
The White House pushed back.
So as of three days ago on CNBC, Amazon says display tariff costs not going to happen.
libby emmons
Yeah.
cliff maloney
Government always hates transparency.
I mean, think about that.
Amazon is trying to put this forward.
If they wanted to go forward, let's say they'd have it done in three days, I still can't tell you what it costs to go to the doctor's office to get a routine physical.
libby emmons
No one can.
cliff maloney
I mean, there's no transparency and the government loves shutting that down.
ian crossland
Why do you guys think that...
Is it the cheap quality just because they can get away with it because China has a monopoly on manufacturing right now?
phil labonte
Well, I think because people expect to replace things as opposed to have things that last.
ian crossland
Oh, land obsolescence.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's something that's been fairly well known.
And maybe it has something to do with the fact that there is such a turnover in technology now that kind of that mindset is filtered into other products as well.
courtney knill
Well, and more people don't know how to do repairs on products anymore either.
I mean, look at cars.
They've made everything so sophisticated on some of these newer vehicles that if you were going to try to actually go work on that yourself, well, you'll need all these very specific tools.
You have the whole digital apparatus that's built into it.
It's not the same as it was 30 years ago to try to change your oil or just do something routine on your car.
ian crossland
There's this movement called the Right to Repair movement.
unidentified
I love that.
libby emmons
I believe in that, too.
ian crossland
And I would hear it, and it'd be like, boring.
Every time I'd hear it, I'd be like, yawn, data, tech.
But it's so important, according to the people that, I think it's Luis Rossman, who has been on this show before.
He's big into it, and it's just like, hey, Apple, if you're going to sell products, you need to sell the products that I am going to need to repair this thing.
And it's like a legal battle.
I don't know where it's at right now, but I think that would be something cool to push forward.
libby emmons
I think that's a big deal, too, yeah.
Because people used to be able to look at, like, my cousin Vinny, like she knew how to fix a car.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, fixing cars...
libby emmons
I just watched that again the other day.
phil labonte
It's a good movie.
I mean, I don't know that I want the government telling Apple what they have to do.
I don't know that I want the government telling Tesla what they have to do.
I do think that it's fine to be like, hey, you know, I want to know how to fix this or I want to be able to fix this.
I also like the way Apple products work.
And part of that is Apple's control over how they work.
I like the way my Tesla works.
And part of that is Tesla's control over how they work.
So I do understand people that are like, yo, I want to be able to fix this.
But at the same time, I also, like, I don't want the quality of the product to change.
I don't want my computer to work.
I don't want to have the garbage spyware or whatever that tends to be ubiquitous through PC stuff in my Apple products as well.
I like that control that the company has.
And there are options.
If you don't want to have a company that has that kind of control of it, you can buy other stuff.
cliff maloney
Yeah, and I think the market...
I know everyone's jumping to AI, but, like, we keep talking about, you know, cars.
I was meeting with these guys.
There's this new company, Crash Champions.
They, you know, collision repair type company.
And they were telling me, like, they're dying for technicians, people that have these skills, because, you know, most people don't these days, right?
And most people, you know, even just the simple ability to fix something in your car.
They went from, like, eight locations in 2018.
They've got, like, over 650 now.
So, you know, I'm not saying this plays into the AI thing.
But the market will respond.
And I think a lot of these things, it's interesting to see.
Yeah, we'd like to be able to fix it, but there is an argument here.
It's creating a lot of jobs, making it so that things are popping up.
But yeah, Crash Champions, I was talking to them last week and kind of fascinated with how the market is moving to that because it's a real skill to be able to fix those things that most people, they just don't have that skill set.
ian crossland
They're repairing stuff with new technology?
cliff maloney
So they're just, I mean, they're repairing, it's a crash, you know, collision type repairs, which obviously I'm not saying normal folks should be able to do that, but I'm just saying it's interesting to see the job market kind of spring up because there's just certain things that AI, it's going to take a while to get there,
but the market's going to provide and respond.
phil labonte
All right, we're going to jump to this story here.
Court audio from 2020 reveals wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia said he hit her repeatedly.
Shocker.
From the Post Millennial, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged MS-13 gang member deported to El Salvador, faces additional allegations of abuse after a newly released audio recording featuring his wife, Jennifer Vasquez Ora, pleading to a judge for a temporary protection order against him.
In the audio recorded during an August 2020 court hearing, Sura had detailed the alleged physical abuse she suffered from Abrega Garcia, which included allegations that he grabbed her by the hair, slapped her, and hit her.
I mean, slapping is hitting, but...
On Wednesday, he hit me.
Like, around, like, three in the morning.
He would just wake up and, like, hit me, she told the judge.
Sura said she attempted to escape after witnessing a neighbor walk by and scream for help.
However, the attempt was unsuccessful.
She said Abrega Garcia then grabbed me from my hair and then...
He slapped me, according to the audio obtained by USA Today.
Is the audio here on this video, or is this?
libby emmons
Yeah, there's an audio.
phil labonte
All right, let's take a listen to this.
jennifer vasquez sura
I came to fill out a protective order.
I think it was in December.
But I didn't show up to the court because his family, like, washed my brain telling me that his dad was sick and not to do it.
So I didn't do anything.
But after that, it was like, I would call the police.
I have a lot of police reports.
And I kept trying to get to the door basement to try to open the door, and then he pushed me.
So then when I was able to go outside to get a phone, I called 911 from a disconnected phone.
Now they took a long time to get to the house.
It was probably like 20, 30 minutes.
So I saw a neighbor walking his dog, and I opened the door, and I was like, "Help!"
And then when he heard me, like, he grabbed me from my hair, and then he slapped me.
And then the neighbor, like, he didn't know what to do.
He didn't know what to react.
I have pictures of the evidence, like, all the bruises.
Because even on Wednesday, he hit me, like, around, like, 3 in the morning.
He would just wake up and, like, hit me.
And then last Saturday for my daughter's birthday party, before I went to my daughter's birthday party...
He slapped me three times, and then last week I did call the police.
My sister called the police because he hit me in front of my sister.
phil labonte
Is anyone surprised about this?
cliff maloney
It's a bad dude.
Very bad dude.
phil labonte
Look, my opinion on this whole Abrego Garcia situation is deport him regardless of any criminal activity that he's had.
The fact that he's here illegally is all I need to know.
Go home.
Send him out.
I don't care.
This stuff proves that he's bad, but this is all Democrat-Republican arguing over, you know, is he a good guy?
Is he a bad guy?
Is he an innocent Baba Angel?
Or is he a, you know, MS-13 gang evil man?
I don't care.
He's here illegally.
Send him home.
This is why Donald Trump was elected.
I don't see why this is...
libby emmons
What I think is crazy, too, is the Democrats have spent so much time trying to paint this guy as a saint, and he had a deportation order already.
He wasn't deported at the time.
It was, in fact, I think in 2019, the DOJ just decided not to send him home.
There was an order that he didn't have to go to someplace, but he could be sent to other places.
So he's had his due process.
You know, this order to deport him has been there this whole time.
He already went through the court system.
Like, this is not the case to die on.
Yet they've had, how many Democrats have gone down to El Salvador to, like, try and talk to this guy?
He's got the, you know, he's got the tattoos that are indicative of MS-13 activity.
He was picked up in front of a Home Depot in Maryland.
What was it?
After his first arrest, like 2019-ish.
And that was part of local cops doing an investigation into local gang activity.
Like, that's why he was picked up there.
He's beat up his wife, obviously, many times.
And even when she was interviewed about it and she said, are you afraid of your husband?
She said, my husband's alive.
That's all I can say.
After a really long pause.
Like, this is not a guy who, he's not American.
He already has a deportation order, he's a citizen of El Salvador, and now he's under their jurisdiction.
Like, how is this an issue for everybody?
unidentified
You know what I mean?
cliff maloney
And I cannot understand how Democrats continue to pick these issues to go all in on, that 10-15% of their own party is excited about it or thinks that it's some big deal.
To me, this is going to become, if they stick with this, and they go all in the way they are, if they double down, if they triple down, this will become the issue.
That the border has been for the past four years, right?
They're doubling down on the worst issue they have, which is the border.
They still think that this virtue signaling is going to work.
I mean, I don't think it's as big as the, you know, transgender surgeries for these prison inmates.
I don't think the Republicans will spend that much money on it.
But if they continue this into 2026, talking about this guy and all this stuff keeps coming out, I just think it's one of the stupidest political moves you can possibly make.
phil labonte
That's why I love it.
ian crossland
It's sort of the phenomenon of smelling blood in the water, a shark, just one drop of blood, and that motherfucker's going to go crazy.
Just like people looking for a problem, looking for a Trump problem, there's a drop of it, let's go crazy.
And it's almost like you can bait them.
I'm sure the administration's looking for ways to bait them, getting upset about things that aren't a big...
phil labonte
Well, I mean, look, but it's not even just the administration.
There was that, what was it, the reporter that was walking next to Ilhan Omar.
And asked her a question just completely and totally calmly normal.
Wasn't some kind of gotcha question.
cliff maloney
F you.
phil labonte
Her response was F you for asking her a question.
That's kind of become the norm.
libby emmons
Someone replied to that video with, do you talk to your brother with that mouth?
phil labonte
I love it.
I assume she doesn't because, well, I'm not going to go there.
Anyways.
But yeah, this is kind of the norm for Democrats.
They think that, it seems like, they think that being edgy is going to win them votes because it wins them a popularity contest on the internet.
Sure, it does energize their base, and their base is like, yeah, you're sticking it to the man.
But that doesn't win elections.
cliff maloney
They've learned nothing.
They continue to pick these issues that are showing that they've...
I mean, I thought 2024, what got me nervous was, okay, they're going to move away from the crazy stuff.
They're going to come out.
They're going to admit Harris was a horrible choice.
They're going to move away from the woke stuff.
They're going to get off the border.
They're going to say, no, let's have a sensible border policy.
phil labonte
Nope!
cliff maloney
Just complete double down.
They're in complete denial.
And look, there's time to write the ship.
There's time for them to pick a nominee or have some sort of new leader come up.
But it's just wild to me on some of these issues.
I mean, even if you look at polling, you know, and I think, look, some of them are learning.
I mean, Gretchen Whitmer just did her little thing at the Trump event.
She got it.
Sort of.
phil labonte
She hit her face, which was...
cliff maloney
No, no, this was the new one.
So that was White House.
She hit her face and then she got the backlash and realized, hey, I can't just be edgy, right?
I can't just keep being anti-Trump.
And enough people that are working class were like, what are you doing?
You're at the White House.
So then they had this public event and Trump...
Brought her up and kind of said, hey, do you want to say a few words?
And I think that eventually we might have to spoon feed them, but the Democrats are going to learn from their own voters that we have to have rational opinions.
And to just keep being radical, they should have learned from 24 it's not going to sell.
I hope they don't.
I hope they, you know, put AOC up there, put Bernie up there, but it's going to backfire politically.
libby emmons
Well, that's the plan that they have.
Did you hear Kamala Harris the other night?
Giving her speech at the Emerge Gala.
phil labonte
No one heard Kamala Harris give that speech.
You and 17 other Americans.
libby emmons
I watched it because I cover the news.
But she announced exactly who she thinks are the leaders of the party, and she praised them.
Cory Booker, Chris Van Hollen, Chris Murphy, Jasmine Crockett, Maxwell Frost, AOC, and Bernie Sanders.
These are the people that she mentioned who are like, you know, the pinnacles of the Democratic Party right now.
And all of these people, I mean, AOC definitely has some political talent, but Jasmine Crockett has no ideas.
Maxwell Frost is an idiot.
Chris Van Hollen went to El Salvador and he, you know, to talk.
Talked to this MS-13 guy and he never talked to his own constituents whose family – Rachel Morin, I think, murdered by –
Illegal immigrants.
He didn't reach out to her mom.
Cory Booker, the last thing I remember about him was he gave that speech.
And before that, I remember he pulled somebody out of a fire in Newark.
And that's it.
These are your top talent.
cliff maloney
Do any of them...
libby emmons
And Bernie Sanders is, what, 80 million years old right now?
unidentified
Yes.
cliff maloney
Do any of them have one single issue that is something that they feel like, here's a solution, or here is a bold plan for the future?
I just, I don't feel like they have anything they bring to the table except orange man bed.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's pretty much what they have.
And now they're saying, you know, that America, the America we're living in now is Trump's horrible vision.
Well, we've got jobs up.
You know, we've got the border finally under control, which is, of course, why we had to bring Trump back.
Again, in the first place, he fixed the border, they destroyed it again, he had to come back to fix it.
phil labonte
Do you think that...
Go ahead.
courtney knill
Well, Cliff, back to something you said about rationality.
I think that a story like this changes the narrative quite a bit for a lot of people.
At least people more in the middle.
Maybe not your radical leftists, but...
This is something that happens a lot.
As someone who worked in victim advocacy for a prosecuting attorney's office where there's these domestic situations that happen and the wives of these people, girlfriends, boyfriends, whatever it is, it happens quite a bit where they cannot...
They struggle because these victims want to come forward.
They want to tell the courts what's going on.
But then they're worried that the person that they care about will then be deported.
And so they go back and forth.
They retract.
And it's this ongoing issue.
But I think for a lot of Americans, when they see, okay, this really is a bad dude.
I think that they're not going to be so much on the Democrat side of things.
phil labonte
Like I said, I like the fact that they're taking these positions because they're extremely unpopular positions to take.
And so I do think that if they do continue to stick to their guns and extort these positions, then you're going to see a lot of failure at the ballot box next year.
In two years.
And that's great.
Like, that's what I'm hoping for because I think the Democrat policies have been terrible for the U.S. But I do get the sense, I do have a feeling that they're going to figure it out.
I can't imagine that there aren't people like Carvel that are going to be like, look.
You have to stop.
Even if he's come out and he said, oh, you know, David Hogg is a fighter.
I know that he kind of bent the knee there, which is, in my opinion, a terrible idea.
You know behind the scenes, he's like, you can't expect to win with this.
These are all 80-20, 85-15 kind of issues.
cliff maloney
And the more Trump can keep them off talking economics...
Whether it's good or bad, that's what the election is going to come down to.
If I'm the Democrats right now, the biggest missed opportunity is nobody is out there with some sort of economic plan that they're saying, this is how we're going to bring costs down.
This is how we're going to control the inflation.
And that's got to be their pivotal issue in 2026.
If they pick anything else, those issues, they're not with the American people on.
But once again, I know they'll say, oh, some random Democrat congressman has a plan out there to do X, Y, and Z financially.
But that's the missing piece.
If I'm in the Democrat strategy room, it's like, look, let's at least put something out so if things do downturn, if things are not going great economically or people are struggling with the cost of food, we at least have an alternative.
They're just playing Trump's game.
They're focused on all the wrong issues.
I don't want to give them too much advice.
But that's the missing piece.
You do that, then you at least have that Trump card to play when it's time in 2026.
But right now, you're screaming about every issue except the cost of goods.
phil labonte
I don't see how they are going to right this ship when they're continuing to bring to light or focus on the most radical people in their base.
But we're going to go to this story here, which is a bit...
It's kind of a similar...
issue because it's got the MS-13 bent.
Today, breaking from Bill Melugan.
Bill Melugan.
Three Virginia Department of Corrections officers were stabbed in a state prison today in what the state says was a premeditated attack involving five MS-13 gang members, all of whom are Salvadorian illegal aliens who've been convicted of violent crimes such as murder and rape.
So the statement says Richmond, the Virginia Department of Corrections is currently investigating the
Apparently premeditated stabbing of three corrections officers at the Wallens Ridge State Prison.
The attack occurred at approximately 9.45 a.m. on Friday, May 2nd.
Five of the six inmates involved in the attack are confirmed MS-13 gang members from El Salvador who are in this country illegally.
Each have been convicted of violent crimes including aggravated murder, first and second degree murder, and rape.
The other inmate involved in the attack is a confirmed member of the Serrano 13 gang and from the United States serving a sentence for second degree murder.
Send them all to Gitmo.
libby emmons
Yes.
Well, or Seacoat in El Salvador.
Like, why not?
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, they're illegal aliens, so you can send them Seacoat, too.
Again, it's bad that there are all these criminals that we have that are illegal immigrants.
Just send them out.
ian crossland
Hold on.
phil labonte
They should all get sent right out.
ian crossland
What about, I'm not advocating for capital punishment, but if they were attacked and killed, did they kill guards?
Because I don't think we...
If they did a horrible enough thing, you don't send them anywhere.
phil labonte
They said that...
Well, they committed the attack.
unidentified
They stabbed them.
phil labonte
They stabbed them, so I don't know that they...
cliff maloney
Yeah, but they're convicted of murder, second-degree murder, and rape.
phil labonte
Yeah.
cliff maloney
I mean, so before this incident, you know, they were already bad guys.
ian crossland
My first thought is, what the hell are illegal, violent, illegal immigrants doing in American prisons still?
phil labonte
Well, if they've committed a crime in the U.S., the U.S. will imprison them.
ian crossland
And hold them instead of sending them overseas.
You keep them up until free.
libby emmons
We only just got that deal with El Salvador.
And we're paying them, I think, $6 million a year to take people from our prisons.
cliff maloney
And a counterargument for years, I mean, honestly, from the right and the left, was if somebody does something horrible here, let's imprison them here once they're convicted.
Because if we send them back, you know, how confident are we?
They're going to imprison them there.
And then they come back.
phil labonte
And historically, that has been the case.
They'll just get to whatever.
And we need to do something about that.
And we can't...
Allow one political party to put the brakes on that when the whole of the American people are against keeping these people here.
ian crossland
I think if that was Al-Qaeda, if there were five members of Al-Qaeda that we had had in prison and they stabbed an American guard, I think there would be a lot more anger from people across the spectrum because Al-Qaeda has been accepted as a terrorist organization generally.
And it's still like, I think people are resistant because it's Trump that's the one that said MS-13 is a...
Terrorist organization, people are like, ah, anything you say, Trump, is bullshit.
I don't agree with you.
phil labonte
But I think you're right.
ian crossland
You know, known al-Qaeda terrorists in prison attack a guard.
Oh, I don't think they're seeing the light of day.
Like, that's, you know, if they're already al-Qaeda terrorists.
And I'm not saying it was righteous to call these people terrorists.
I'm not saying that.
Maybe they were, maybe they weren't.
George Bush was a funny guy.
phil labonte
Well, Al-Qaeda?
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
No, it's right to call them terrorists.
ian crossland
Yeah, they're terrorists.
ISIS was the next one.
I was like, I just heard ISIS on the news.
I'm like, oh, now the next terrorist organization is in the books.
Now it's called ISIS, this one.
Anyway.
phil labonte
They're terrorists, too.
ian crossland
I think MS-13, this is definitely an example that these guys are.
And five guys don't speak for the entire MS-13, but they're definitely not giving it a good name.
libby emmons
Well, it's a criminal gang.
It's like an international criminal gang.
They do drugs and smuggling and human trafficking and all of this stuff.
phil labonte
The drug stuff, you're going to have a lot of libertarians be like, well, you know, if you're just like people do, the drugs they want to do, you wouldn't have this problem.
libby emmons
You know, the United States Institutes for Peace were arguing that the Taliban should not be cracking down on opium producers because it was bad for Afghans worldwide.
phil labonte
I can't believe that idiocy.
libby emmons
We were paying for that.
phil labonte
That's dumb.
But the point that I'm making is like, even if the libertarians go and make the stupid argument that, oh, well, you know, you can't do that because they're just selling drugs and it's fine.
Like, they're still human traffickers.
And that's actually...
You know, that's facilitating the rape of minors, like little kids.
Little kids.
You're not talking about, you know, adult women that are like, well, maybe if I go into the sex working industry, things will be fine.
No, you're talking about the rape of children.
So, in America, libertarians need to stop with their argument of, well, you know, they're just, if we stop taking the drugs, it's our fault.
Blame America.
It's not.
It's them.
Trafficking children.
That's the big Horrible thing that's happening.
courtney knill
And the thing is, we wouldn't be having any of these problems if the border hadn't have been open for so long where so many illegal immigrants were pouring through.
And we had no checks to see who it was that was showing up where they wanted for, you know, rape and murder in the country they're coming from.
Hey, we really should probably not let them in the U.S. That's the whole reason why there's an immigration process you're supposed to go through or even to apply for a visa is because we...
We want to vet these people before they come into our country.
And then they end up running amok and causing all these problems.
If we didn't have all the people, all these really bad people pouring in, it would be much less of a problem.
ian crossland
I was thinking about it because they called it an invasion.
And they literally, that Biden administration literally didn't defend our country.
They let people, foreign people.
phil labonte
He was complicit.
unidentified
That's another level, but at the very least...
phil labonte
Surge the border.
ian crossland
Yeah, he did.
He told him to surge in his campaign, in his 2020 campaign.
Defend the country.
That's your job as the American government, as the military, is defend the country.
If people aren't coming in illegally, defend the country.
libby emmons
There was this crazy thing, too, where Texas tried to put up a border wall and the Biden administration took them to court and the court said, hey, Texas, you're not allowed to put up a border wall.
And now you have all of these judges who are saying you're not allowed.
OK, so you're not allowed to defend the country.
We already have discovered that.
And you had multiple states taking the Biden administration to court saying, you know, you're destroying the border, you're creating this crisis.
And judges were like, meh, whatever.
But now that the Trump administration is trying to get rid of criminals who don't belong here, who have orders of deportation already, who've committed crimes in America, the judges are saying, no, they have to stay here.
Like, what is up with this judiciary who for the past four years refused to enforce the law?
Refused to hold the administration accountable to the laws that Congress set out and now is preventing Now it's preventing the government from deporting people.
Why is that happening?
What kind of judiciary is this?
Why are they doing this?
ian crossland
Andrew Jackson's got a quote about the courts.
He said, they made their decision, now let them enforce it.
libby emmons
Well, that's the whole thing, right?
I mean, if people don't, and this is something that the Chief Justice said a couple of weeks ago, if people don't have respect for the court's orders, then...
We don't really have a third branch of government.
The Supreme Court, it's fascinating.
They can make a decision, but they can't do anything about it.
It's all entirely dependent on if we respect their decisions.
And the judiciary is getting to a point where a lot of their decisions are hard to respect.
Like the one recently where you had the ACLU bring a case.
They said the Trump administration was going to deport, I think, 50 Venezuelans from Anson, Texas, from a facility in Texas.
And the ACLU brought the case.
And they brought the case in the Northern District of Texas.
And they said, hey.
You know, you have to put a stop to this.
It's going to happen right now.
Simultaneously, they brought the case to the Fifth Circuit in Louisiana, and they brought the case to the Supreme Court all at once.
So the ACLU didn't give the lower courts time to make a decision, right?
The Northern District Court of Texas was like, hang on, we'll get to it.
You know, the Fifth Circuit said something as well.
And then the Supreme Court jumped in, completely bypassing the lower courts.
Now, the Supreme Court is an appellate court.
Like, that's...
You don't get to the Supreme Court without appealing and appealing and appealing.
It's an appellate court.
The Supreme Court jumped in and said, hey, Trump administration, you can't deport any of these people without a further order from this court, which makes no sense because that case was...
That case is a Texas case.
And what the ACLU did in that case was they said, you know, they wanted protection for this specific class of people.
They want to turn anybody who is potentially subject to deportation into one class nationwide so that they can bring one suit.
Because otherwise, per the Supreme Court rulings previously this year, you have to bring suit in the district where the people are being held, which means the ACLU has to run around to like hundreds of different districts to prevent this stuff.
And they want to just do one thing nationally.
But it's so fascinating to me that these courts just let all this happen.
All these judges were like, no, you can't.
The Biden administration doesn't have to do that.
They don't have to protect the border.
And neither can you states.
You can't protect the border.
and now they're not letting...
It makes no sense to me.
ian crossland
I think that the only sense I can make of it is that it's an emotional reaction or it's being incited by an emotional reaction to Trump's willingness to use intimidation instead of persuasion.
And people are literally afraid of the guy.
libby emmons
Well, part of it was a California...
I'm sorry, just one thing.
There was a California judge, Edward Chen, who was objecting to the deportation of Venezuelans in part because he thought that DHS was using negative stereotypes.
About the Venezuelans.
And you had a judge in, I forget her last name, but a judge in Boston who was saying that you can't eliminate the temporary protected status for a whole bunch of people because a lot of these people, in part because a lot of these people send remittances home and their families and their home countries depend on their income in the U.S. So you can't,
you know, so the U.S. can't restrict.
I can't change their status, their semi-legal status.
So those are both emotional reactions.
phil labonte
I understand your perspective, Ian, but that doesn't really address why they were behaving the way they did under the Biden administration.
That's a good point, man.
If they're like, well, we don't want to send these people back because it's mean.
You know, that doesn't address the fact that they weren't allowing people to prevent them from getting—they weren't allowing states from allowing them to get in.
And they had no inclination to force the Biden administration or even make rulings about the Biden administration actually not enforcing the law.
Because, I mean, that's the job of the executive.
cliff maloney
Yeah, but the point you made earlier where you said, listen, they're here illegally.
We don't have to debate all the other things.
The crazy thing— Is that Democrats are talking now about MS-13.
MS-13, I mean, the ads are going to write themselves.
These guys, they're Los Angeles chapter, documented.
You do have to commit a murder to get in.
That is documented.
It's public.
Really?
libby emmons
So everybody does.
cliff maloney
They have to do a murder.
The craziest thing I saw about MS-13, a majority of the hit jobs that they put out, the killings from them, are done by minors.
A majority of them.
Nobody talks about this, but when the Democrats are going to go in and defend MS-13, I'm telling you, it's going to become a huge talking point.
You heard it here first.
A majority of the killings that they do as a gang are people under the age of 18. If you don't think those people are bad people that no one is going to defend, they are subhuman people, I just think it's very clear that we're not just talking about people that came here illegally.
These are bad dudes.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's terrible.
Do they do that?
Minors have a different set of rules.
phil labonte
Yeah, because they're protected from being treated as an adult.
And they try to get them before they're 17, where it's kind of a gray area.
If they can get them when they're like 14 or 15, when they're clearly a child, and have them commit their first murder then.
courtney knill
Yeah, and I can't believe that this is happening in the United States, and we're just allowing this.
In other countries, if you're, like, a bad person and you go commit crimes in these countries, first off, they might not let you in to begin with.
But then, if you do bad stuff, you're going to go to jail forever.
And you don't have people, you know, that are like, oh, the poor MS-13 gang members.
We need to be there for them.
Those poor people.
phil labonte
It does.
It is, you know, and we've said this on the show a bunch of times, but it is really remarkable that they're going to use the...
Perspective of, oh, the poor MS-13 gang members.
You can say, oh, this is not, you know, they didn't get due process or whatever, but to really sit there and be like, oh, we're going to defend the gang members, you know, it's something that the Democrats can't help but do.
They're defending bad people.
cliff maloney
Defending inmates for transgender surgery being saved by taxpayers.
I mean, I'm not saying that transgender folks that are convicted of much lesser crimes are MS-13, but man, you pick some funny people to go to bat for.
libby emmons
Well, yeah, there was a—did you guys talk about it on the show?
I probably missed it, and you probably did.
But the guy who is accused of firebombing a Tesla dealership in Kansas City, a judge released him in part because he has ADHD, is depressed, and needed access to his gender-affirming treatment.
He allegedly committed the act in March.
He started the gender treatment in March.
courtney knill
Do you think he was on hormones and the gender-firming care could have had to have done with what he actually decided to do?
libby emmons
Maybe.
I mean, estrogen does really weird things to the brain, so...
phil labonte
You said it, not me.
unidentified
I sure did.
libby emmons
I sure did say it.
It's the truth.
phil labonte
We're going to jump to this story now.
Three House Democrats asked to be removed from the Trump impeachment resolution.
We were talking about how crazy Democrats are, but this might actually be indicating that they're...
Trying to get their S together.
From the Hill, a trio of House Democrats asked to be removed as co-sponsors of a resolution to impeach President Trump, a sign that many in the party do not want to go down the path of trying to remove the president from office, at least at the current moment.
Reps Queasy Mfumi?
From Maryland, Robin Kelly and Jerry Nadler had signed on as co-sponsors of Rep Cherie Thandier's impeachment resolution, which includes seven articles of impeachment.
But Tuesday afternoon, they went to the House floor and asked for their names to be taken off the legislation.
The House clerk granted their request.
Spokespeople from Kelly and Mifumi...
said the lawmakers initially signed on to the effort because they assumed it had been reviewed by leadership.
When they learned it was not, they asked for their names to be removed.
Congressman Mifumi removed his name as a co-sponsor from House Resolution 353 because he was made aware it was not cleared by Democratic leadership and not fully vetted legally.
And he preferred to err on the side of caution, the spokesperson for Mifumi said.
The congresswoman was under the impression that the resolution was drafted and reviewed by both the House Judiciary Committee and leadership when she originally signed on during a vote series on the floor.
Kelly's spokesman said Nadler's office did not respond to several requests.
Do you guys buy that those are the reasons that they want their names off?
Or do you think that this is just politically a bad move at this time?
Because I think we're all in agreement that should the Democrats take the House in the midterms, there will be articles of impeachment filed again.
libby emmons
John Ossoff and Chuck Schumer already basically said that they would do that, you know.
I think part of what happened here is that the congressman who brought the impeachment...
He turned out to look a little bit crazy, and I think maybe they didn't look a little bit crazy.
cliff maloney
The guy's $730,000 in debt in his campaign.
libby emmons
And he left a bunch of beagles to die in a lab in New Jersey when his business went bankrupt.
cliff maloney
Yeah, they're not sending their best, I will tell you that.
I think it is authentic that they got on it and then got off.
I don't think they purposely said, hey, I'm going to get on this resolution and now I'm going to get off it.
I think the reason is, once again, I'm not saying that the Democrats have had a full awakening.
But I think they probably saw the backlash.
They saw the backlash to just being super anti-Trump.
And enough of their normal Democrats in their district are probably like, are you serious?
Here we go again with this whole impeachment thing?
Let's just go after them on the issues.
Let's just go after them on this.
Let's just beat them in the 2026 election.
So I could be wrong.
They could have had this plan, and now they're going to be seen as moderates.
But Jerry Nadler, his district's a D plus 100.
I mean, he doesn't need to get moderate voters.
So I think there's probably some...
libby emmons
Have you ever looked at his district, the map?
cliff maloney
No.
libby emmons
Okay, so it goes down the upper west side of Manhattan and like down for a bit and then it cuts across into Brooklyn.
It covers like two blocks.
To get to, like, another Democrat stronghold.
It just skips through the top of Bay Ridge, because Bay Ridge would not elect him, right?
Bay Ridge has Nicole Malletakis, and so it's just this teeny sliver, just so he can get to the rest of the Democrats.
cliff maloney
Democrats are so good at districting.
They're so good at districting, and Republicans are like, well, we don't want to be seen as racist, so we have to make fair maps.
It's like, look at their maps.
phil labonte
I hate the Republicans for not having the balls to be as good as the Democrats are at that.
And I hate the Democrats for even doing that.
They should be simply like wards in a city.
All of Manhattan is one district.
cliff maloney
There's going to become a battle.
Let me bring up New Hampshire and get you excited, Phil.
There's going to be a battle in New Hampshire where right now the legislature is working through new maps to present to Kelly Ayotte, the governor.
And I think it's going to become a very big national movement because they could realistically, legally, and I would argue correctly, adjust the maps to make one of those seats a competitive Republican seat.
And so I think there's a whole – there's a district right there that could move, but it's going to take a lot of pressure from folks out there.
Call your people in New Hampshire.
That would be stellar, but I mean, I think that the...
phil labonte
The rest of the country should follow suit.
But the idea that a two-block stretch connects two significantly...
libby emmons
It's crazy.
phil labonte
Yeah, significantly different pieces of New York.
It's just...
It's insane.
But I do want to point out...
A friend of mine sent me a text and asked, when did Chris Kattan become a politician?
We're talking about...
Oh yeah, he's the Tandiri guy.
ian crossland
You know, it does kind of look like Chris Kattan.
libby emmons
That's funny.
phil labonte
He's like a tan Chris Kattan.
ian crossland
I wrote this guy off as a loony because he was smiling a lot when he was talking, and then I gave him a chance on Piers Morgan.
I listened for a short period of time.
Okay, he's probably a normal guy.
I think Tim had a great combo with him on Piers Morgan.
I haven't seen the whole article yet.
But what I really want to know is, is there anything to this?
Are these impeachments legit?
Are these seven counts?
Any of them?
Is there anything about any of it that's legit?
phil labonte
If you listen to the discussion that Tim had with him, it was all just, well, I don't like Donald Trump.
and we don't like what he's done and this is unpopular and that's unpopular.
And that's as partisan as it gets.
So to say that this is something that is...
It rises to the level of impeachment is absolutely ridiculous.
I think that this is just a, like Tim says, I think it's just a stunt.
The Democrats don't have leadership, and so this guy's trying to plant his flag.
ian crossland
Because it's almost like that's too stupid to be real, but I think you might be right.
They didn't run it by leadership.
I didn't know that until just now.
cliff maloney
Well, and it's so stupid because I think at a certain point, look.
You can always introduce articles of impeachment.
Again, you know, if you have the majority, which they don't even have, but if you have it and you want to go through the process, but your voters have to want that.
Your voters, the American people, not just your actual voters, but all these swing districts are going to be impacted by that.
And if it becomes this petty battle against Trump, and I just think with all of these, I mean, the guy was shot in the face.
The guy was impeached.
They tried to convict him of all these crazy things.
Once again, Democrats have not learned, and I think that's why these three are pulling their names.
Because I think as much as Schumer and them are kind of flirting with it, I think politically, behind the scenes, their strategists, if they have just an ounce of any type of strategy left, I don't think there's an appetite for this, even amongst Democrats.
libby emmons
No, I don't think so either.
And when you look at it, too, you keep seeing Democrat leadership start saying about how...
Democrats need to take to the streets and start protesting and all of that stuff.
And we're not seeing as much of that as you might have thought that we would.
There's a lot less energy for rioting and protests and screaming your bloody head off.
phil labonte
Retired boomers.
libby emmons
It's among normal people, and it's just the retired boomers who are out there doing their weird hippie dances and complaining about how nobody else is joining them.
Meanwhile, they're like, oh, you know, like, I'm having so much trouble affording my summer house and my normal home.
What am I going to do?
You know, these are the same people that are not sharing.
This is the group that is most adverse to, like, leaving their wealth behind.
They're still traveling around the world trying to find themselves.
You know, the rest of us are like, really?
We figured out in our 20s that we probably just need to pay our bills.
courtney knill
Well, with these particular articles of impeachment as well, like, for instance, the creation of an unlawful office in terms of Doge is kind of insanity because...
Doge was not going around and making these changes.
I think the media painted that very differently than what it actually was because Doge was just looking in.
They just were going through the books of these different agencies and seeing, well, what's really here?
And then they were making recommendations.
And then the agencies would do with that what they will.
phil labonte
Not only that, the Doge is actually the continuation of a project.
ian crossland
U.S. Digital Services.
It was USDS, and then it was Obama started in 2014, and then Trump renamed it.
They got an office day after to U.S. It's still U.S. DS, U.S. Doge offices now.
It's the same office.
So it was created by executive order legally.
It's legal to change the name of it.
It was legally created.
phil labonte
So the articles of impeachment are actually wrong because it wasn't created by Donald Trump.
It was created by Barack Obama.
courtney knill
But it has Elon's name attached to it, so we have to hate it.
phil labonte
Well, yeah.
I mean, that's really what it is.
It's all about the people that are involved, not about whether or not...
There's a necessity for it, which clearly there is.
Very few people think, oh, no, every dollar that the government spends is used very wisely, right down to the penny.
There's no waste, there's no fraud, blah, blah, blah.
No one thinks that.
There's not an American out there that would say, no, I think that they really spend our money wisely.
ian crossland
Yeah, even the people protesting, and I'll only use my parents as examples because they went out and protested.
They were reliving the late 60s.
60s, 1969.
libby emmons
Just recently they did?
ian crossland
Yeah, like a month ago.
And I was like, what are you guys protesting?
And they were like, well, Trump.
And I'm like, well, what are you protesting for?
And they were like, I don't know.
I gotta go, Ian.
My dad was like, I gotta go.
We'll talk about it later.
And I'm like, because there's nothing.
They don't...
I think they're afraid they're going to lose their retirement funds because of the kooky ladue going on in the government right now.
We're hitting an inevitable wall anyway at $36 trillion in debt.
So they're out there trying to stop that all from happening.
But unless you create, like you were saying earlier, Cliff, a better plan to make gas cheaper, unless you present that...
The protests don't have any emphasis.
I mean, the Vietnam protests were like, end the Vietnam War.
So they were anti-LBJ, stop the war.
I don't know if they actually had something to create.
phil labonte
I'm going to jump in real quick.
They weren't so much anti-Vietnam War because they were anti-war.
They were anti-Vietnam War because they were on the side of the communists.
libby emmons
But also because that was the first war where we actually saw war televised.
I mean, you had journalists.
cliff maloney
Agreed.
It was real.
libby emmons
You know, jungle or whatever, actually filming what was going on.
This is what was being broadcast to people in the evening.
So I think part of it was when you look at that kind of carnage, that's really hard to stomach.
I mean, if the Dresden firebombing had been televised live to people's homes, people would have had a much different idea.
Of what was going on in Dresden as well.
I mean, seeing children set on fire because the air was on fire, that's going to be rough, right?
That's hard to stomach.
But I don't think it was just because everyone was on the side of the communists.
I think people were losing their sons and brothers and dads.
phil labonte
I'm talking about the people that were out in the streets protesting.
libby emmons
Like the dirty hippies?
phil labonte
Yeah, the people that were on college campuses that were protesting, they were protesting, not because they're against war.
As a concept, it's because they were on the side of the continent.
libby emmons
I mean, I wonder, like, I protested war myself, like, back in the old days of George W. Bush.
phil labonte
Yeah, but that was a totally different...
libby emmons
It was a totally different kind of war, but, like, it was because I thought that the yellow cake thing was a lie, and that it was probably, we should have no war, like, there's no reason to go to war against Iraq.
phil labonte
Yeah.
libby emmons
It seemed dumb.
phil labonte
But, like I said, I think the contexts were very, very different.
libby emmons
Sure.
phil labonte
You know, the...
They were actual communists.
The Vietnamese were actual communists.
Vietnam was a communist country.
North Vietnam was actually communists and they were fighting actual communists in the U.S. The earthy crunchies that were protesting, they were like, no, actually they have good ideas.
libby emmons
I think the piece that turned it, though, was that there were so many people actually seeing what was going on.
phil labonte
Yeah, I agree that the...
The effect of the news bringing that into people's homes can't be denied.
ian crossland
You see a guy...
libby emmons
I just watched The Wonder Years.
ian crossland
Oh, great show.
Some of that Vietnam footage is phenomenal, and it's on YouTube.
He'll be there with a platoon, and then the guy gets shot, and then they're banning you up his leg, and he's almost in shock just talking to the platoon, and then they medevac him out, and they're hanging out.
It's just a jungle.
We go outside and sit down there, and it could be there.
It's that realistic, and they're 18 years old.
libby emmons
They're all kids, yeah.
phil labonte
And it wasn't a popular war overall, and the fact that the draft was part of it was another big thing.
The wars that we fought in the 21st century, whether...
Regardless of your feeling about them, the people that went to war, they volunteered.
There was no draft.
Everybody that went there...
libby emmons
People would volunteer early.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
This stuff with Doge that people are protesting, if that's what they're protesting, it's so vague.
A lot of it's been happening behind the scenes that...
It seems like people don't really know what they're protesting.
cliff maloney
Yeah, but let me throw a warning out there.
I mean, I thought the same thing, and then this Wisconsin Supreme Court race happened, and we lost by 10 there.
And if you look at the entire messaging, so Indivisible, the left-wing group, did a lot of work on the ground, and we got a hold of their scripts, and their entire script was simply, Elon Musk is a monster.
And the power of fear.
The power of just making Elon this horrible creature that, you know, whatever they're protesting for...
It doesn't matter if they don't have a message, right?
If you have a boogeyman, if you have—and Wisconsin proves it.
I wish it didn't, right?
I wish at the Wisconsin race you could see, hey, they were talking about, you know, certain issues that the left cared about.
No, it was Elon Musk is the devil, and if you want to stop him, we have to elect this Democrat to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin, and they won by 10 points.
Now, people can say Republicans were complacent, that we didn't have something that was motivating our side.
But that worries me.
The voters react that way, and their entire message was Elon bad.
You can stop him by voting for the Democrats.
ian crossland
Man, it's Canada.
Sorry, Libby, but this Canadian election, it's the ultimate example of Trump scaring people and then them voting against him.
libby emmons
You know, it was mostly boomers.
It was mostly boomers that voted liberal.
We ran a story on that the other day.
Boomers were terrified of Trump, and everybody else just wanted to be able to have decent housing.
But it was the boomers that gave this election in Canada to the liberals.
phil labonte
Why are the boomers so afraid of Donald Trump?
libby emmons
Because they're his same age group.
I feel like that has something to do with it.
Like, he's their peer.
And so they all watched him, like, be this, you know, dick playboy this whole time.
And they hate his tone of voice.
They, like, hate his...
Tone.
They hate his oeuvre.
They hate his vibe.
That's what they hate about him.
This always happens with my mom.
My mom's very lefty and everything.
She'll be like, I hate Donald Trump.
I'll be like, well, what about this idea?
She's like, that's not a bad idea.
I'm like, what about this?
She's like, no, that's a pretty good idea.
I'm like, so what do you hate about Trump?
She's like, well, I...
I just hate everything about him, you know?
It's like they hate the man.
courtney knill
There's no substance there.
libby emmons
There's no substance, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
All right, so we're going to jump to this story.
From the post-millennial, HHS recommends therapy, not sex change, to treat gender dysphoria.
Thank God.
The Department of Health and Human Services has released its treatment for pediatric gender dysphoria review, in which it recommends a greater emphasis on behavioral therapy when addressing gender dysphoria in minors over invasive and permanent medical procedures such as pharmaceuticals or surgery.
This is the most obvious thing that we have talked about, I think, ever on the show.
The idea of using surgery on children.
When they're saying that they're experiencing gender dysphoria is insane.
They go on.
What do you guys think about this?
courtney knill
Well, I'm really glad to see them being willing to put this out here because that's truly what's happening.
Children cannot consent to make those changes about their bodies.
They don't even know what they are yet or who they are.
Adults are one thing.
Children should not be having this happen to them.
And in many cases, if you even recommend that they go to therapy and try to make sure that they're really sure that before they start getting on hormone blockers or anything like that, that's not even allowed.
And then you're blocking them from getting their gender-affirming care.
ian crossland
I used to play Wonder Woman out in my backyard when I was like, it was like a couple weeks ago.
No, I'm just kidding.
This is like when I was like six.
And I'd be whipping around all the whips and like...
I just pretended to be Wonder Woman.
And then my parents were like, hey, come in and eat your spinach.
I'm like, does Wonder Woman eat spinach?
And they said yes.
So I went and ate the spinach, Phil.
And then if they were crazy, they would have probably thought I was a woman.
They could have easily been like, uh-oh, my kid is actually a woman on the inside.
I was just an actor.
They enhanced my creativity.
They were like, it's okay to pretend to be...
phil labonte
Throw that lasso of truth around your waist.
Next thing you know, they're chopping your genitals off.
ian crossland
And she kind of looked like my mom, so I was identifying with my mother.
libby emmons
Did you have the Wonder Woman underoos?
ian crossland
No, I had Superman.
And then my brother had a Batman.
I think I had a Batman one.
They didn't encourage me to be like a girl just because I played a woman on stage multiple times.
What's that?
libby emmons
I was just joking around.
ian crossland
Were you, though?
libby emmons
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
libby emmons
It's always a joke when you talk about underoos.
ian crossland
I was lucky to have sane parents.
phil labonte
And we didn't talk about trans people.
unidentified
Underoos.
ian crossland
Because I wasn't trans.
And if my parents had been scared or made a crazy decision guided by the media or by their peers and they actually took me and started to be like, well, do you feel like a girl?
Like, if they had really sat me down and had it as I was six, I would have went along with it.
I don't know.
I would have...
They're my parents.
I would have trusted them.
phil labonte
That question alone is insane.
libby emmons
Do you feel like a girl?
I don't know.
I have no idea what that feels like.
phil labonte
How is a man, male, supposed to know if they feel like a female?
ian crossland
Especially a child.
unidentified
Before puberty.
ian crossland
It's like you almost feel androgynous.
Definitely there's the boy and the girl stuff going on.
libby emmons
That doesn't really kick in until later, though, that you have any sense of the kinds of differences there are.
phil labonte
When I was a little kid, I had a crush on my babysitter, but that wasn't a developed understanding of what I wanted from a relationship or whatever.
It was like, oh, she's cute.
I was a kid.
I didn't know.
ian crossland
I would chase girls around on the playground and try and kiss them.
Not really, but like...
Playfully, because I would see it on TV.
I was mimicking, I'm like, boys are supposed to like girls, so I played that role.
And if I'd been around a bunch of people being like, you're supposed to be a girl deep down, I would have been like, probably started playing that role.
I don't know.
courtney knill
Yeah, well, and particularly, kids go through so many social pressures that...
They are looking for outlets.
A lot of the girls that actually used to become eating disorders and things like that, instead, they are choosing transgenderism.
The book's been out for a few years.
There's a very good book by Abigail Schreier.
It's Irreversible Damage.
The transgender craze seducing our daughters came out in 2020.
But it's a very good book.
And it talks about how...
These young girls, they have, it's popular among friend groups, where friend groups will get this idea of like, hey, we want to reject this idea of femininity, and instead we're going to become either non-binary or trans, and they're going to change their ideology,
but it's popular with these groups as a social thing, which is just insanity.
ian crossland
And it's so influential.
unidentified
It is.
ian crossland
The five people, even as an adult, your six closest friends basically...
Craft your identity.
You would do it along with them.
And as a kid, man, to have your...
And if one of them is a jockey and is more popular than you, it's like, ah, you have the way you look up to them.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a status symbol as well.
You look at the people in Hollywood that are like, oh, I have three trans children.
It's like, do you really believe that you have three trans children?
It's super rare, but all three of yours are.
Really?
Who's the one responsible for that, really?
courtney knill
Gender dysphoria is a real thing, but there's no reason for now it to be exploding at these really crazy levels compared to what it's been in the past.
It's a social thing that's happened.
phil labonte
I'm not even sure that gender dysphoria is real.
libby emmons
The other thing, too, that I think is interesting about what you're saying is that the rates of homosexuality has basically stayed steady.
And the rates of trans has skyrocketed.
It's sort of like, why does homosexuality stay steady?
But trans is off the charts.
It's artificially done.
But I think that with this HHS report, this is the difference between having a man leading the HHS and a man who thinks he's a woman leading.
The HHS.
This was Rachel Levine, who was the assistant HHS secretary.
cliff maloney
Pennsylvania's finest.
libby emmons
Pennsylvania's finest, who took his mom out of a nursing home ahead of sending all the COVID patients back to the nursing home.
cliff maloney
Very consistent.
libby emmons
Yeah, I mean, real ethical fella here.
But this is a person who was consistently saying that it's important to affirm your kids, put your kids through sex changes, had a big impact on the Biden administration.
Joe Biden came out and...
told parents to affirm their kids, absolutely nauseating.
And now we have a man who knows he's a man in charge, and we're not getting this kind of crap.
This was a promise that Trump made.
We're going to stop sex-changing kids in the U.S., and here we are delivering it.
ian crossland
I'm going to use my parents again.
Oh, you're going to say something?
courtney knill
Well, just adolescence as a whole is kids figuring out who they are and who they're going to be.
That's essentially what you go through, is that coming of age.
You have all of, you know, this trans stuff that is going on.
Look, as a like a middle schooler, I would have considered myself to be more of a tomboy.
I'm like, oh, yeah, I like sports.
I like soccer.
I like, you know, I think guns are cool.
I had a habit of collecting knives.
I thought that those were fun and those were the more masculine hobbies.
But if now.
Girls that might just be tomboys and have some, you know, maybe traditionally masculine interest, we're telling them, oh, maybe you're not a girl.
Maybe you're not who we thought you were based on what genitalia you were born with.
Here, would you like to explore something else instead?
ian crossland
I think that we're missing a Mr. Rogers person in reality right now.
And it's tough to centralize power and give that guy a TV show because who watches television?
A lot of it's on the internet.
But just someone telling you, you're okay who you are.
You are you, and that's okay.
And it feels weird sometimes.
That's okay, too.
libby emmons
There was this wild thing.
So Robert De Niro's son just came out as trans, went from being Aaron to A-A-R-O-N to A-I-R-Y-N.
So the name's the same, it's just spelled different.
But one of the things that he was saying when he was talking to Them magazine about coming out as trans was that as a child, he never heard that he was just right, just the way he is.
And so now he's finding that by fully...
Now he's finding that.
serge du preez
Totally.
libby emmons
But there's this weird idea that you're just right just the way you are by undergoing drastic medical intervention.
That doesn't make any sense.
It's like you were talking about with the what?
serge du preez
I was going to say that's exactly the opposite of what they say.
When I was a kid in the 90s, they were always saying, you can be anything you want.
You're okay for who you are.
And then at a certain point, that changed to...
They would tell people you're not being represented for who you really are.
Trust me, I know who you really are.
And people that are unfortunately vulnerable to that will fall for that.
They'll immediately think, oh, well, these feelings that I feel like, the unsurety of puberty, the weird feelings you feel like, the weird feelings you haven't felt your whole life up until that point, it gets manipulated.
And that's what they love to do.
Like, Phil, we always talk about how they skin suit stuff.
You know, they take the argument and they make it this thing against, like, the oppressor, which is, like, your feelings and your emotions and, like, everything stressful.
Like, if DoorDash is, like, the biggest stress you have in your life every day, like, this can be, like, fundamentally...
It can be devastating for these people, but we don't see it like that because we all live harder lives.
They do, though.
That's like the biggest thing for them.
It's scary.
phil labonte
It's gross.
The goal does seem to make people think that the reality that they live in is actually the oppressor.
serge du preez
Yes, exactly.
phil labonte
Exactly what I'm saying.
Your body is your oppressor.
You can escape this oppression by taking control over your body and by coming out as a trans person, which is your true self, and that gives you some control over this oppression.
That you're experiencing by just existing.
And you hear them say things like, I didn't ask to be born.
That's one of the things that kids say it, but also that's something that the leftists have really globbed onto.
They're like, well, you didn't ask for this.
I didn't ask to be born, so I should be able to do this, this, and this so I can break free of the oppression of this reality.
cliff maloney
The number of the crazy liberals that have multiple kids.
That are non-binary or trans.
Like, there's just no way that there isn't some sort of input and influence in the household.
phil labonte
All over Hollywood.
cliff maloney
Yeah, because they want to be a victim, right?
They don't want to be victors.
It gives, like you said, they want to stand up to the oppressor.
They want to be somebody that gets to say, I'm different.
You know, I'm standing up to the man.
And I got to tell you, this issue, okay, when I, as a diehard Ron Paul libertarian, this was one of those issues that really got me To realize, you know what?
I am going to go all in on Trump and Team Red, right?
I get the debt.
I get a lot of the things that happened under Trump's 16. Obviously, I was not supportive of Biden.
But when they are chopping off kids' private parts, when they are trying to tell these people that they should identify as something completely different, I mean, that's the time when you wake up and say, hey, listen, maybe it's time to fight against some of this radical stuff.
This issue, though.
When I came out and supported Trump, yeah, did I lose a couple friends?
And were people just rabid against Trump?
Sure.
When I come out on certain issues and people on the other side, yeah, I lose a couple friends.
I have lost lifelong relationships over this issue just because I come out and say that telling a nine-year-old girl or a nine-year-old boy that they are not...
The gender that they were assigned at birth, that that's Looney Tunes.
That's crazy.
And there are—it's not a lot, but there are some people that really I was baffled by that I've lost relationships because they are just so bought into this idea that they get to choose, and you're oppressing them.
phil labonte
I reject the concept of gender at all nowadays.
I don't think that it's—because what is it?
It's your gender—it's your sex spirit?
courtney knill
Well, and even from a science perspective here, just cut all the social part of it out.
People that go through these sex change surgeries, there's a lot of sexual dysfunction there.
It causes sexual dysfunction where they no longer have access to their reproductive system that they were born with.
That's a huge thing.
We see a lot of the adults that have transitioned and gone through that whole process.
That they're unhappy with the end result.
And we're seeing more and more people push back against that.
Maybe they're deciding to detransition, but they caused a problem to their body.
They're having issues with their body now, health problems.
And so just from that aspect alone, I think we need to pump the brakes a little bit and be like, whoa, these kids want to make these changes.
Well, do they know what they're signing up for in terms of their health?
phil labonte
They can't.
libby emmons
No, they can't.
There was also this thing that I think people forget about, which is, Marsha Bowman, who's trans, who was the trans doctor heading WPATH, which is the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, has done a bunch of sex change surgeries and has done sex change surgeries on minors,
including working on Jazz Jennings, and told Jazz Jennings, like, you're going to be so pretty, you could do porn, right?
So that's a great doctor to have.
phil labonte
That's a great aspiration, right?
libby emmons
Right, sure.
But Bowman said...
phil labonte
As if everybody that does porn is pretty.
Come on.
libby emmons
But Bowman said in a talk, I think at Duke, that none of the patients he'd had who had, and I'm using wrong pronouns, I guess, but none of the patients that he'd had who had gone on puberty,
boys who had gone on puberty blockers and then gone on to cross-sex hormones, none of them were ever capable.
Of having an orgasm once they were adults.
So none of them were ever capable of having like a fulfilling sexual relationship.
And the idea, the reason that they put, and this is per WPATH also, the reason to have minors go on these drugs is so that they are better able to pass once they're adults.
So the idea is once you're an adult, you will look more like that thing you wished you were when you were a child.
That's the whole point of doing it young.
You completely destroy sexual function, which means you're destroying adult relationships.
Like, how are you going to have a fulfilling adult relationship, a romantic relationship, if you can't ever, like, achieve orgasm?
Jazz Jennings doesn't know what an orgasm is.
ian crossland
I think that the two parts, the grand manipulation is calling it care, gender-affirming care, those words affirming and care, because I've had this conversation with a couple of boomers, my parents, and my mom's like, Straight up common sense.
And my father's like, they need care, Ian.
They need care.
And it's like, I agree.
Now you have to define what that means.
Cutting their testicles off?
Cutting a 9-year-old's testicles off?
Cutting a 15-year-old's testicles off?
Cutting her boobs off?
Is that care?
If they were elbowing their kid in the face, would that be care?
To cause them a little bit of physical trauma if the kid was asking for it?
Would that be care?
cliff maloney
Don't deny them their identity, Ian.
ian crossland
Would we go in there and seize the kid from the psycho-abusive father?
Knowing that, affirming and care, because he's like a paramedic by trade.
He's a fireman.
There's not much greater than the hero of saving the vulnerable.
And these people feel like that's what they're doing.
That now to tack it off is that people that have gone through this horror are now adults and they're speaking about it.
And there's enough of them that they're a political force.
So I have a lot of faith.
You can see the HHS has already made a move on it.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, this administration has been good, but there's no guarantee that if the Democrats win again, the next administration or the next Democrat administration won't undo all this stuff and then have another insane man.
That dresses like a woman running HHS saying things like, oh, you need to affirm your child's gender and have...
Mutilating surgery performed on them.
courtney knill
Yeah, and even with this gender-affirming care, because sometimes they'll go the route of puberty blockers.
You're like, well, you think you're confused.
Let's just hold off puberty.
Osteoporosis.
If you hold off puberty, there's huge health effects that come along with that.
You can't just block a child's puberty and be like, oh, well, let's let it go a few years, and then at 16, 18, whatever, then we'll let their body do what it's going to do then.
No, it leaves them with permanent changes.
So you deciding to put your kids on puberty blockers is going to affect them for the rest of their life.
And parents need to be aware of that and not just hear terms like gender-affirming care.
We want our kids that are struggling to feel loved.
We want them to feel like they have a place in this world, that they matter, that suicide isn't an option.
These are all things that we want for these kids.
Making decisions very quickly about, oh, we're going to do something that's going to affect your body for the rest of your life is so drastic.
phil labonte
There's no such thing as gender.
It's your sex.
Can't change it.
Get over it.
We're going to go to Super Chats and Rumble Rants.
We're going to start off with AlphaTurkey says, A hundred fills could definitely take on a silverback.
Granted, we might lose 38 fills.
We still have 62 left and an unsubscribed to life gorilla.
ian crossland
How would you attack the gorilla if you...
We're split into 100 pieces and you controlled them all?
phil labonte
With machine guns.
ian crossland
Well, if you had no weapons but your hands, would you split up into groups?
Would you all go in at once and try and dogpile the thing?
phil labonte
You'd have to do as much dogpiling as you can because if you go in one at a time, the gorilla's gonna kill you.
Now, there might possibly be the possibility that...
I don't even think this is possible, but some people might make the argument that you'll tire the gorilla out before you exhaust the 100 people.
I don't know that that's the case because gorillas, they're incredibly strong and the amount of effort they have to use to smash you into a puddle is probably minimal.
ian crossland
It depends on the size of the arena.
If you're in a tight space like this, it's all happening at once.
But if, and also, the gorilla might get afraid.
Morale should be included because a hunter feels would be pretty scary.
libby emmons
I can't tell you how much I talked to my son about this very scenario this week.
phil labonte
I don't think that there is any...
Like any world in which multiple humans can take on a gorilla.
libby emmons
Yeah, he didn't think so either.
He painted the scenario of the gorilla picking up one human like this and just like helicoptering everybody else.
ian crossland
But what if like a Phil jumped out of a bush and he's like, blah!
And then another three more of them jumped out and he's like, blah!
The gorilla might be traumatized.
libby emmons
I think the gorilla has a better handle on gorilla warfare than a bunch of Phil's do, probably.
phil labonte
A silverback gorilla, just people...
A chimpanzee will tear you limb from limb.
And a chimpanzee is not nearly as big as a...
ian crossland
They're vicious.
phil labonte
That's awesome.
ian crossland
They go right for it.
Just so you know, if you ever come into the Contact in the Wild.
phil labonte
That's great.
ian crossland
Protect yourself.
phil labonte
That's great.
ian crossland
Yeah, not you personally.
phil labonte
So Shane H. Wilder says in the Rumble Rants, tomorrow the people of Cameron County, Texas will vote to turn Starbase from an unincorporated worktown into a Texas city.
libby emmons
Is Elon Musk going to be the mayor?
phil labonte
I don't think so.
But they're going to incorporate it and it'll be Starbase, Texas.
libby emmons
Okay.
phil labonte
Let's see.
libby emmons
I thought he maybe needs another hat, you know?
phil labonte
Well, he's a busy guy, but apparently he's going to be stepping back from Doge and doing less work on Doge.
He's not getting out of Doge.
libby emmons
Well, he only had like 130 days to do it.
phil labonte
Well, he's 100 days now.
He's going to be only working like one day irregularly so that way he can extend the work.
Because, you know, they've got kind of their marching orders and stuff.
PerpetualJonathan says, No, it's not.
No.
It was playing that song, and I'll take credit for that.
Let's see.
He had surgery on his ankle and lost his job just looking for help for my family for the time it'll be off.
It's GoFundMe.com slash F-E-E-B 9B90.
Feeb 9B90.
serge du preez
Careful soon, man.
Ankles suck.
phil labonte
It does.
It does.
Let's see.
Some more Super Chats.
Arsonist YouTube says, I think we should keep an eye on China.
Apparently, students are protesting.
libby emmons
Really?
phil labonte
I don't know if that's serious or not.
cliff maloney
Students in China?
Yeah, they'll shut that down real quick.
phil labonte
I don't think that's even true, though.
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't see anything about that.
serge du preez
I've seen a lot from David Zhang.
He's been talking about the student protest.
And it's been on a couple people that are watching it.
But whenever the Chinese protests around this time of year, we should pay attention.
ian crossland
I'm taking the mindset of, I'm going to be really empathic and compassionate, just on the level with the Chinese citizens and the Canadian citizens.
Make them your friends, because it is possible that there will be Democratic Republic uprisings in other countries.
phil labonte
I don't think it's possible in China.
ian crossland
It's the most challenging country that it could happen in, for sure.
But that doesn't mean it can't.
And if it happened, it wouldn't happen from the outside.
courtney knill
It would be awesome to see.
The CCP sucks.
phil labonte
They're pretty horrible, to be sure.
K2TheSwiss says, We love Courtney.
Thank you guys.
courtney knill
Thank you very much.
phil labonte
And then Colin Rouse once says, Cliff, go Birds, Dallas sucks.
cliff maloney
I thought you were going to say, Cliff, we hate Cliff.
Go Birds, that's right, baby.
phil labonte
I wouldn't read that.
unidentified
I wouldn't do that.
cliff maloney
Go Eagles.
It's been a good year.
We got the Super Bowl, got the White House back.
I'm not tired of winning yet.
phil labonte
Isaac Vanderbilt says, I've been living off of ramen and bologna for 30 years.
And then he goes on to say, you know who grocery prices don't affect?
Singles.
That's right.
Well, single men, I think.
Single guys.
I think that women like to have more fun and experiment in the kitchen more than dudes do.
Dudes are just like, whatever, you know, stuff some ramen in the food hole and I'm good.
ian crossland
And more zucchini.
phil labonte
Zucchini is great.
libby emmons
That's true.
ian crossland
Raw or cooked.
libby emmons
I literally forgot about zucchini.
I'm going to have to get some zucchini.
phil labonte
RageLB says, from Rumble Rants, need a shower after Phil tonight?
Come chill.
RageLB on Rumble and at RageLB3 on YouTube.
I'm not sure exactly why you'd need a shower.
I showered before work, and I haven't been particularly dirty, I don't think.
Jacob Jones says, Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Gulags are necessary for those deviants.
there you know I I was very much a libertarian minded person until all the trans and furry stuff and and I'm just like well maybe I am an authoritarian and we can just toss people in jail for no reason well I mean for being
cliff maloney
a pedo furry like that's yeah you know you guys all you guys all have that experience there where you do post something you ever once a while it just it strikes that cord and all of a sudden
I try not to do it in text.
ian crossland
I try to do it with my voice so they can hear the tone.
Because otherwise they go, It's just a cavalcade of black letters on a white background.
cliff maloney
One time I said something like, this was last year, I said, it's 2024 and we're still seeing people using the argument that men are paid more than women for the same jobs.
libby emmons
It's just not true.
unidentified
You would have thought I went off the deep end.
courtney knill
It's funny the things that bring out the liberals on social media.
phil labonte
Sometimes it can be just innocuous things and then the wrong person either retweets it or puts it in front of their audience.
And then next thing you know, your timeline, your mentions are just full of crazy leftists saying crazy leftist things.
cliff maloney
I call that the Keith Olbermann special.
He starts pushing stuff, it is like rabid, just looney tunes coming after you.
courtney knill
I think there was so much online from the 2024 primary that like conservatives were like really going back and forth with one another that then finally when like a Democrat showed up to tell me that they didn't like what I was saying.
I'm like, oh, wow, I haven't seen one of these in a while.
I'm like, how have you been?
cliff maloney
That was the Orange Man bad moment of this year.
They went wild.
unidentified
That was a wild, wild press conference.
ian crossland
Zelensky really stuck his neck out speaking and doing it in English because that language barrier was sad.
He was confused.
libby emmons
You think that's what it was?
ian crossland
Yeah.
libby emmons
He said, you're going to know how this feels.
ian crossland
Yeah, he did another interview more recently in Ukrainian or Russian.
He did it in his native...
Tongue.
And I think he's just decided, I'm not doing any more English.
cliff maloney
No, I don't think he decided that.
I think the backlash from that interview, you're probably right.
He probably struggled a little bit, but I just think the backlash from that, they probably sat down and said, well, where do we go from here?
I guess we're going to have to backtrack a little bit.
Just my thoughts.
phil labonte
Let's see.
Mac12 says, hey, Phil, the Icon tools at Harbor Freight have a lifetime warranty.
Well, it's good to know.
serge du preez
Got them.
courtney knill
Who wants to go return your stuff all the time, though?
That's kind of annoying.
It's like, oh man, my hammer broke again.
phil labonte
I'm going to stick with my DeWalt stuff.
I like the DeWalt electric stuff.
ian crossland
I've got to get a good chainsaw.
Got any good ones?
phil labonte
Steel is a good chainsaw.
ian crossland
The company's called Steel?
phil labonte
Steel.
It's not S-T-I-H-L.
It's a German company.
courtney knill
They make good knives, too, the Germans.
phil labonte
Yeah, they do.
courtney knill
Germans and Japanese know what they're doing.
ian crossland
Yeah, that folded steel.
That Damascus steel.
I don't know if that's German or Japanese, though.
phil labonte
Nine is German.
It's also a number.
Red Muskrat says, I'm a machinist by trade, but I love buying old comps and cutting into them.
Tinkering is my bag.
I'm not sure what a comp is.
ian crossland
Computer?
phil labonte
Computer?
Maybe.
Cutting into them and seeing what's, you know, I guess.
ian crossland
Into them circuit boards?
phil labonte
Yeah, maybe.
Joel Jamal says, Hi from Australia.
It's great to see Cliff Malonian in the show.
Much love from Turning Point Australia.
Wish us luck in our elections today.
You're having elections?
I hope that the furthest right-wingers that are running win, because then you might get some people that are kind of centrist.
cliff maloney
Joel is doing the Lord's work.
God bless him.
Good luck to him.
I always laugh, but when people are trying to kind of get things moving in some of these areas where...
They're really seen as not just the resistance, but I mean, it's, you know, to try to organize in a place like that.
But he's doubling down doing good things.
So thanks for the shout out, Joel.
phil labonte
Let's see.
Sergeant Buck says there are two ways to fix a printer, a driver reinstall or driving a wedge.
Just throw that garbage out and buy a new one.
cliff maloney
I'm with Libby on this.
I think I'm going to have to stop buying the $40 printers.
There's got to be like an $800 printer out there that might work for a couple years.
Doesn't exist?
libby emmons
I don't think so.
Not like for home use.
courtney knill
Yeah.
You'd have to buy an office printer.
They have some nice ones.
libby emmons
Rico.
courtney knill
Whatever.
My last office printer was great and I was the printer whisperer.
If it ever broke, they came to me before we called IT.
libby emmons
That's a good spot to be in.
They need you.
phil labonte
Did the hitting work?
Kicking it?
courtney knill
That was not what I normally went with first.
phil labonte
No.
Well.
To each his own.
libby emmons
I still love that scene in Office Space when they take the fax machine out.
courtney knill
I will say, that does work for pickle jars, though.
If you're ever trying to open a pickle jar and you can't get it, if you hit it on the floor a few times in a few different places, it's actually way easier to open.
libby emmons
Yeah, that works.
phil labonte
T.C. Blair says, I live in the county where the gang attack happened.
We have friends and family who work there.
Keep us in southwest Virginia in your prayers, folks.
Yeah, definitely.
courtney knill
Absolutely, we will.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's a terrible thing.
And like I said, we should send them all out.
Just get them out of here.
There's no reason for us to have to deal with them.
courtney knill
We just don't want them to come back.
We can't have them coming back.
cliff maloney
Luckily, the border's closed.
phil labonte
Billdozer74 says Phil's libertarian voice is sexy.
It's not intended to be, but you know.
Jimmy B. Good said they had a reason to go to war with Iraq.
Saddam stopped using dollars to sell his oil to stick it to us, and the banksters don't allow that.
Mess with the banksters' money and they kill you.
I don't know if that's the case.
I don't know if that's the case because at least the first Iraq war, not the second Iraq war, the first Iraq war, I really do think that the Saudis had a lot to do with it.
The fact that Iraq invaded Kuwait and said, okay.
We're coming in here.
The Saudis were like, ah, this kind of makes us nervous, so maybe we should have a U.S. base, which is a terrible idea to have a U.S. base in Saudi Arabia, but they really, I think they did want the U.S. to kind of ensure that the Saudi royal family would not be hung up from bridges,
which is what tends to happen to monarchs that lose power.
But yeah.
Duinde says, Big L on your opinion on Apple, Phil.
I don't think you're making the argument you think you're making.
Well, I do think that I'm making the argument I think I'm making.
I like Apple products to stay the way that I would like Apple products to stay the way they are.
I'm comfortable with the fact that if I want to fix an Apple product, I have to go back to the Apple store or don't have to, but I go back to the Apple store to get the warranty repair.
I don't like the idea of outside companies messing around with Apple because I like the way Apple products work generally, except for the brightness on my phone.
I just want it to stay bright when I turn it.
ian crossland
Leave it bright.
phil labonte
Don't ever turn it down, ever.
Stop adjusting it.
I turn it up for a reason.
I never, ever, ever want you to turn it down.
ian crossland
I think he might be talking about the idea that it's a more secure product because they have it all done in their factory without external...
But it might be more vulnerable if it's more proprietary.
phil labonte
Why?
ian crossland
Because no one really knows what they're doing.
So if you have access to the parts...
phil labonte
Are you saying Apple doesn't know what they're doing?
ian crossland
Oh, they know what they're doing.
phil labonte
Okay.
ian crossland
But they don't have to tell people, necessarily.
phil labonte
Yeah.
courtney knill
I think there is one regard that Apple doesn't know what they're doing.
I really want my headphone jack back.
That's still a gripe for me.
I like wired headphones, and I just want it back.
phil labonte
You know, you were a boomer.
courtney knill
You know.
ian crossland
I always thought Apple, it's weird how they'll take parts away, because they're like, they just don't need that anymore.
I'm like, give me six USBs on my computer.
Like, don't take them away.
phil labonte
I do think they could probably use more USBs.
I think my laptop has three.
ian crossland
They assume you'll buy a peripheral that plugs in that gives you like eight USBs.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm not totally against that.
I do like the idea of everything being USB-C now.
ian crossland
Oh my God, it's so great.
phil labonte
I do like that.
ian crossland
That's like the world coming together.
libby emmons
That was the European Union did that.
phil labonte
No, no, I didn't mean that I wanted them to make the connections.
I just like that.
I like the fact that USB-Cs are smaller and they're more convenient than USB-Bs.
ian crossland
You can flip them upside down and they still plug in.
That's so huge.
libby emmons
It was Europe who said you can't just have a million different kinds of chargers all the time.
You can't be changing this all the time.
phil labonte
And I was against that too.
I hated the idea.
I was like, don't mess with my Apple products.
I don't want you...
You know, European Union messing with my Apple products because I like the way my Apple products work and I don't want governments involved saying you have to make them work this way because usually that means they make them work worse.
courtney knill
Yeah, I've had worse luck with USB-C than Lightning though, at least so far.
When it comes to audio stuff, because it has something to do with lightning, it's easier for things to go out and come back in, versus with USB-C, the way that Apple has done it right now.
Like I said, for auditory things, it's not working so great if you want to be wired in.
phil labonte
Wow.
I didn't know that.
Let's see.
Now we're moving around.
Ron says, Canada won't even let Americans with DUI convictions into the country, yet we have Dems defending the worst of the worst here.
I agree, it is crazy.
In Canada, they're actually very, very strict, and it's been a pain in the butt when it comes to touring bands, because...
It's frequent.
libby emmons
Are there a fair number of DUIs in touring bands?
phil labonte
Maybe not in the bands themselves, but when it comes to crew, I mean, you know, and of course the crew, they should know, they should look at the routing and they should say, okay, you're going to Canada, I have a DUI, I can't do this tour, but they don't.
And then you have to figure it out at the border and it's a pain in the butt.
But yes.
Canada is very, very strict when it comes to which Americans are allowed in.
If you're not an American, I hear it's fairly easy to get into Canada for numerous reasons.
But if you've got a DUI, look out.
Let's see here.
What have we got?
The Emperor's Champion said, If attempting to impeach the president on behalf of MS-13 is not treason, then I don't know what is.
I think that doesn't count as treason, because treason has a specific meaning, and I think it's in wartime is when it's actually treason.
It might be sedition.
serge du preez
That's sedition.
Yeah.
phil labonte
This might be sedition.
It might be a more accurate phrase.
But it is definitely counter to what is best for the American people.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Ian's lying.
We played DC Adventures just last week.
ian crossland
I love that guy.
Why does he say I'm lying?
phil labonte
Well, did you listen?
ian crossland
No, I didn't play DC Adventures with Raymond.
Is it fun, Raymond?
I never even heard of it.
phil labonte
I don't know.
ian crossland
I love Raymond.
phil labonte
Should I do this one?
serge du preez
That's a pretty good one.
It's your choice, man.
phil labonte
Pokemon said, Phil drives a trans, ma 'am.
I don't.
serge du preez
No, he doesn't.
Do you leak what you drive?
For real?
phil labonte
What?
serge du preez
Do you leak what you actually drive?
phil labonte
I've said that I drive a Tesla.
serge du preez
Yeah.
It's a sick Tesla.
phil labonte
Thank you very much.
ian crossland
Raymond was talking about when we were pretending to be Wonder Woman and Spider-Man down in the basement last week.
serge du preez
What?
cliff maloney
That was a sight.
ian crossland
Did I say that out loud?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Sean Turner, scene in cheese, says, anyone bring up the cartels guys caught smuggling 180?
1,000 rounds of CO.
CO equals Neo CA.
But they get minimum trucks to the CO Supermax to El Chapo or to give to TDA.
I think he's talking about 180,000 rounds of.308.
I'm not sure if they were 30 cal rounds.
But, you know, that's a lot of suppressive fire if they're firing from a full-auto belt-fed machine gun, which, you know, the cartels absolutely have.
And I haven't heard anything more about it, though.
cliff maloney
Go back to that.
Was he saying Colorado and calling Colorado Neo-California?
phil labonte
Yeah.
cliff maloney
Oh, I see.
phil labonte
Colorado equals Neo-California.
cliff maloney
Got it.
phil labonte
Bet they get minimum trucks to the Colorado Supermax to get El Chapo or give to TDA.
I think that they're probably going to go out of the country, and those rounds will be used to fight.
Well, you know,
that's an extra piece of equipment that a lot of people don't really want to buy.
Right, exactly.
Which, and I mean, I can't say that I blame them.
ian crossland
Thunderbolt?
Is that what it's called?
The new technology?
Thunderbolt technology?
serge du preez
No, it's a couple years old.
ian crossland
It's like Thunderbolt 4, I think, or 5 they're up to now.
serge du preez
I think so, something like that.
ian crossland
Ridiculous.
It's almost as fast as HDMI, I think.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Probably, I don't know.
ian crossland
And it's a USB-C plug.
Wow.
phil labonte
Let's see.
Red Muskrat says, I'm a machinist by trade, but I, oh no, I already read that one.
What do we got here?
serge du preez
Let's see this one.
phil labonte
Which one?
Oh, okay.
Jamie Brocodile says, Boomers are afraid of Trump because they still get their news from TV.
They should get online to find out what's actually going on.
I mean, look, you can find information that's critical or outlets that are just as critical of Trump.
On the internet as if you watch regular TV.
Now granted, people that expect the TV stations to tell them the truth.
Like if you're a boomer and you remember the days when it was just three news stations and Cronkite was like, and that's the way it is.
I mean, it makes sense why you would still kind of have that inclination.
But I don't think that just getting on the internet is the solution because people will still be looking for...
Actually, it might even be worse because they're looking for confirmation of the things they kind of already believe.
And if they believe that Trump's a bad guy, you know?
cliff maloney
Well, it was wild when you looked at the post-election polling of kind of, I mean, Trump moved to the right with every single demographic except the boomers.
And so I really did a deep dive trying to understand.
I think that's a good argument, which is they still get traditional media.
I think a better argument is...
They aren't as impacted by some of the Biden policies when it comes to the economy.
They're kind of hitting that retirement age.
Life is good.
Things are okay.
People vote to kind of keep things okay.
And I think of all the groups, it's a mix of them getting traditional media, but I think it was they just weren't impacted as much as everybody else.
But it's the only, which is, you know, kudos to Trump, is the only group that didn't move to the right.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, you said kudos to Trump for...
cliff maloney
That every other group moves to the right.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I do think that that's because they're more inclined to...
They're not set in their ways, honestly.
Like, if you're a boomer and you kind of have an opinion of Donald Trump, I don't know what it's going to take to move you.
And they're certainly not going to go out and look for information that's contrary to what their preconceived notions are.
ian crossland
You can get through if you talk about the liberal economic order and their...
They're smart, and they actually care.
They'll listen.
I mean, I've had some experience explaining, like, global technocratic banking and how they've been gutting our country for 100 years, and they're like, okay, the Kennedy assassination, that sparks us.
If you go through to talk about the Kennedy assassination with them, the boomers, they're like, oh, yeah, CIA, got you, yes, yes, yes.
courtney knill
Well, and more of them already own their houses, though, too.
phil labonte
Sure.
courtney knill
That could be a really big factor.
phil labonte
Mr. That One Guy says, Hey team, just wanted to share information.
Previous guest, Angry Cops, Richard High.
Great dude.
You should subscribe to him on YouTube.
The SVU detective has brought up Buffalo School District is hindering investigation into child abuse, abduction, and worse.
They could use the attention.
Yeah, you can watch the unsubscribed podcast.
Richard or Angry Cops went on there and outlined a lot of the really just disgusting behavior from the Buffalo School Department.
And, you know, he's an SVU cop, Special Victims Unit.
This is literally right up his alley.
And as soon as he basically put the Buffalo Schools on blast, they started trying to discredit him and tried to discredit the podcast.
Now again, this is a special victim's unit detective.
This is what he does.
And the school is trying to save face and they're being selective with the wording.
They're trying to imply that he's lying.
They're not calling them lies.
There's all kinds of just sus behavior by the Buffalo schools.
I can't...
I don't speak for anyone at the Post Millennial, but I know someone over there, and it'd be cool if you guys covered it.
libby emmons
I actually was looking at YouTube about that the other day.
But yeah, we haven't covered it yet.
phil labonte
Rich is a great dude.
libby emmons
I met him the other night on the show.
phil labonte
He's a great guy.
Him and actually all the guys on the Unsub podcast, Eli, Donut, the fat electrician, they're all great dudes.
libby emmons
Donut is such a good nickname.
phil labonte
Donut operator.
cliff maloney
Joey bag of donuts.
libby emmons
So good.
phil labonte
So, yeah, you should subscribe to the unsubscribed podcast.
Let's see.
Isaac Vanderbilt says repeal the 19th.
It just makes sense.
How do you feel about that, Libby?
libby emmons
What was that?
phil labonte
Isaac Vanderbilt says repeal the 19th.
It just makes sense.
libby emmons
Oh, that's just so stupid.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
libby emmons
Just dumb.
phil labonte
Adam Brinman said, I haven't looked at the actual adjusted numbers, but other than the COVID rebound, all Biden's jobs reports are, after reactions, almost all negligible, minimal.
That's my understanding as well.
The Biden administration made a big deal about the jobs that they had during their administration, but the whole country was shut down.
Largely, when he took office.
And so the idea that he actually created these jobs, it was just these places of business opening back up because we realized that they could, you know, that it was time for the restrictions to happen.
ian crossland
Sometimes someone would pick up two part-time jobs because they couldn't find a full-time job, and then they'd list it as two jobs.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
And also, the jobs could be redundant.
Hire someone to dig a hole and then hire someone to fill the hole up just so that people stay busy and the Federal Reserve can keep getting their money at interest.
libby emmons
Like with Works Progress.
There was stuff like that.
Works Progress Administration under FDR.
There was stuff like that.
phil labonte
Just dig a hole.
cliff maloney
I mean, they're always going to spin it, right?
It's like, hey, what number can we take?
And I love, though, when there are certain things under Biden that the Democrats really championed.
And now if it's better under Trump, it's like, what do we do now?
But that's why I say it's always about, okay, where are they when it comes time to vote?
And if they have the job and they're feeling good, great.
But they're always going to just take these numbers and run with them.
phil labonte
Yeah, I do think that there's going to be as much twisting of the information as possible.
Yaquilin? I can't even pronounce that.
Yaquiindia.
There we go.
It says, gender ideology is the most sexist thing ever.
I mean, maybe, but it's all BS anyways.
Gritz, 15 years, says, I have yet to meet a trans person that doesn't exhibit an incomprehensible level of self-loathing.
I mean, I think that I've met a couple that...
Are fairly reasonable.
I mean, Blair White is fairly reasonable.
ian crossland
Blair's always, recently was like, I don't even know if I'm trans.
I think I'm a cross-dresser.
phil labonte
I mean, you know, I mean...
ian crossland
Sorry to interrupt you.
phil labonte
No, no, it's fine.
ian crossland
Yeah, Blair's awesome, dude.
I love that guy.
He's the fucking man.
phil labonte
Lucy Fear says, My friend is making a daily podcast telling the story of 250 years of America across 250 episodes.
Premieres July 4th, 2025.
Ends July 4th, 2026.
Go give him a follow at at250yearsofusa on X. Go give him a follow, guys.
serge du preez
Me and Ian were just talking before the show about, what was that called?
The Great War, I think.
On YouTube.
Yes, correct.
If it's 250 episodes like that each year, that's so sick.
I love stuff like that.
ian crossland
Pick up the Great War.
If you want to understand why modern war is basically the devil incarnate, you do not want modern war, look at the Great War.
We've got to keep World War I in mind, because they didn't understand.
Just like we have drones right now, these are the machine guns of the modern age.
You don't understand what you're about to go up against.
And they did it week by week, everywhere from 2014 to 2018, every week they would say, this is what happened in the week of 1914, 100 years ago.
It's fascinating, and just the death, millions and millions and millions and millions, just from the machine guns.
But then you take Trenchfoot and all these other horrific, just the chaos of the explosions, the way that can traumatize and destroy a human body.
phil labonte
My name is Yeet, says Ian.
We miss you on the 7 Days server.
ian crossland
My name is Yeet.
There was too much lag.
If it's been resolved, that's a good thing.
phil labonte
Alright, smash the like button, share the show with your friends, go to rumble.com, become a member, and you can sign up for the after show.
You can catch the uncensored after show, and then if you go to timcast.com, you can join our Discord, and then you can call in and talk to us.
But not tonight, because tonight's Friday.
So, one more?
What do we got?
The one from Kyle?
serge du preez
No, the left.
Just right here.
phil labonte
Oh, God.
Blue Debut says Phil's alter ego is the Philbertarian.
No, it's not.
It's official.
No, it's not.
I don't even call myself a libertarian anymore because they're just...
unidentified
Unbelievable.
serge du preez
He's addressing it, guys.
He's addressing it now, everybody.
He's addressing it.
All right, we'll leave it alone.
He's addressing it.
phil labonte
All right, anyways.
So yeah, smash the like button.
Share the show with your friends.
Go to TimCast.com.
Sign up.
You can join the Discord.
Go to Rumble.com and become a member so you can watch our after show, which is not happening tonight because it's Friday, but we will be back on Monday.
So Cliff, you want to shout anything out?
cliff maloney
If you want to doze your state, let's talk.
Hit me up on X at Maloney.
Love the TimCast family.
You guys are all great.
Appreciate you having me.
courtney knill
Thanks so much for having me on, guys.
If you want to find me over on X, it is at Courtney Nill.
That's K-N-I-L-L.
And right now I'm running for office.
If you are someone who really cares about politics, think about running yourself.
It's a lot of hard work.
Don't let anyone tell you that it's going to be easy, but it's something very worthwhile.
If you want to check out my campaign, it's nillforcitycouncil.com.
ian crossland
You guys follow me up on YouTube.
I just did an interview with Richard Gage, who's the head of Architect.
Well, he was.
He founded Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
And this guy's compiled thousands, got thousands of architects and engineers across the world to diagnose the Twin Towers coming down in the physics involved with these buildings falling in near free fall speed.
And he just laid out evidence for like an hour and a half.
We went at it.
It was great.
So follow me on YouTube.
Check out the video on YouTube.
And X and Rumble.
That's where you can find all my stuff at Ian Crossland.
That's it.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
You can find me on X at Libby Emmons.
And I would love if you would sign up for my newsletter, which comes out every day.
You can do so at thepostmillennial.com slash Libby.
And this month we are sponsored by Meriwether Farms, which has been great.
And I just, I met them last year.
I met the owner of Meriwether Farms on Tim Cass.
I've been a customer ever since.
And so I'm really honored that they're sponsoring the newsletter and you should check it out.
phil labonte
I am Phil That Remains on Twix.
I'm Phil That Remains Official on Instagram.
You can check out my band All That Remains all over the internet and catch TimCast clips throughout the weekend and we will see you right here Monday.
ian crossland
We should shout out The Culture War.
Are we still alive?
I just hijacked the end of that phone call.
The Culture War is tomorrow.
Culture War Live.
phil labonte
Phone call.
ian crossland
Is it going to be broadcast?
phil labonte
No, it'll be broadcast a week from tomorrow.
So the live thing is tomorrow, and then they actually put it on the internet a week later.
ian crossland
So if you're coming, bless you.
If not, pray for these people.
They're going to have a wild, romantic evening.
phil labonte
Alex Stein is going to be there, and he's going to be yelling at people.
cliff maloney
Rhyme time.
Pimp on a blimp.
phil labonte
Pimp on a blimp, man.
With the big booty Latinas.
ian crossland
Thank you, Phil.
I defer to you and your graciousness.
You're an excellent host.
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