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Liberal Media CAUGHT In BOGUS LEAK, Trump DID NOT Fire Mike Waltz, HE PROMOTED HIM | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Donald Trump is a 5D chess mastermind.
I'm going to do the opposite of what these liberal podcasters do and just blow smoke up Trump, if you know what I mean.
He's perfect.
He can never do anything wrong.
The story is that Mike Waltz got fired.
I was seeing it all day.
News came out.
Politico reported.
Fox News picked it up.
And I started thinking, really?
National Security Advisor Mike Waltz got fired.
Donald Trump said he wasn't going to fire him.
So when I saw this reporting unit I did, I didn't touch the story.
And I'm proud of myself because what's the real story?
Trump promoted Mike Waltz.
Mike Waltz moving from a staffer position to a cabinet-level position requiring Senate confirmation.
This is a promotion.
And the media was reporting that he got fired.
And from this, all of the op-eds go nuts.
Now, the reason why I say Donald Trump is a master, and this is 5D chess, he was coloring the water.
You know what that means?
They know they have leaks in the administration.
So Trump sends out this information that he's going to fire Mike Waltz to somebody who knows.
Then he wants to see if the story breaks in the press because he will know who leaked it.
Now, I'm half kidding.
I'm not going to play that game.
I don't know that Trump was actually planning on doing this.
Somebody got word that Mike Waltz would be leaving his national security advisor.
They gave the story to the press.
Maybe.
Maybe this was coloring the water.
And the reason why I think it may be is because you've already heard from Secretary Kristi Noem, as well as Kash Patel, that they're going to start polygraphing people to figure out who's leaking to the press.
So maybe this was Trump's big play, because I got to tell you, I'm loving this.
If you Google search the Mike Waltz story, you get all of these perfect headlines that say things like Mike Waltz out as National Security Advisor, now in as UN Ambassador.
How is that possible?
Because they changed the headlines once the news changed.
But if you take a look at Reddit posts, you can see it was a spattering of op-eds from all the liberal press saying Trump fired him, his administration is in chaos, and that's the narrative they wanted to run with.
Now they're rushing to update their headlines and issue corrections, although they're never going to admit it.
They're going to do what's called a stealth edit.
So we'll talk about that, my friends.
We've also got another story.
Kilmar Braco Garcia, you know that guy that Democrats love to defend?
Well, he threatened to murder his wife and then bragged he would get away with it and no one could do anything about it.
So apparently his wife filed another domestic violence claim prior to the 2021 claim, and Democrats are now desperately trying to pivot away from the Maryland man and just say, no, no, it's all about due process.
Sure it is.
I got another one for you.
Two stories.
NBC News says a woman was deported and she took her two-year-old with her, creating this legal limbo.
And the judge says, we don't know how this kid got removed.
And the Democrats are saying Trump deported a two-year-old American citizen.
Well, the New York Times reported that a woman and a man were both deported, but their two-year-old stayed in America.
So this is what you get when you have 100% negative coverage no matter what.
There's no moral issue.
There's no principle.
The only issue they have is Trump is bad no matter what he does.
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If a two-year-old leaves, he's bad.
That's the media today.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Rudyard Lynch.
rudyard lynch
Hi, everybody.
It's so good to be here again.
There are several different interesting things that happened today.
Are you good if I get right into the topic?
tim pool
Well, we're going to do intros and come around.
rudyard lynch
Okay.
tim pool
But did you want to start by saying you were wrong?
rudyard lynch
Yes, I was incorrect.
My prediction of a thousand deaths by today was obviously incorrect.
tim pool
Well, you know, it is interesting that we did have the Tesla fires, the terror attacks.
So I think you were a little...
A little hot in your numbers, in your prediction, but we'll talk about it.
We'll talk about it.
There still is a lot of terror.
There still is a lot of violence, but certainly not that many.
Although, interestingly, people were tracking this when you made this prediction.
For those that don't know, when were you?
Was this like December or something?
rudyard lynch
So I made this prediction last April because I predicted there'd be a thousand deaths within the next year because I was talking to my friend Andrew Heaton.
Hi, Andrew, if you see this.
tim pool
We've had him on the show, too.
rudyard lynch
Oh, interesting.
He's a good guy.
And I was on his podcast to talk about my prediction for why I think we're going to have a future revolution.
So we made a gentleman's agreement then, and I shouted out in your guys' show this December.
tim pool
So real quick, you were saying from April to April?
rudyard lynch
Yeah, exactly.
Within the next one year.
tim pool
Okay, you might not be wrong.
rudyard lynch
Again, please?
tim pool
You might not be wrong.
I was under the impression that you were saying after the election in four months to April.
But we'll talk about this.
We'll go over it.
So you also got a YouTube channel, What If Alt History?
rudyard lynch
Yes.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, it's going to be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
And Mary is here.
mary morgan
Hi, everyone.
My name is Mary Morgan.
You will usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast.
And we actually had Phil on today.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Abonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
All right.
Here's a story starting off with Daily Beast because we love it.
The real reason Trump fired Mike Waltz, he dared to give advice.
They published this one at 614.
They updated it at 632.
I am loving this story.
In an effort to just be the opposite of whatever it is that liberals are, I'm just going to say Trump is a genius who can do nothing wrong.
Everything is perfect.
There's no reason to criticize him ever.
No matter what he does, he's doing a good job.
phil labonte
So it's just counter Pac-Man now.
tim pool
Yeah, just, well, I mean, Brian Tyler Cohen, Pac-Man, Luke Beasley, those are easy targets where literally every single video they have is Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
So I'll just do the opposite.
phil labonte
I think it's a good policy.
tim pool
As a joke on my 10 a.m. segment, it was about Kilmar Abrego Garcia, but I just put Trump exclamation point in the title.
Just because?
So here's the story.
The Daily Beast, this is an example, this is why I pulled it up, it says he was fired.
But when you go to Mike Waltz fired on Google, if you search for it, all the headlines now read, he's out as National Security Advisor and tapped as UN Ambassador, which is a promotion from a staff-level position to a cabinet-level position.
However, if you want to see what the actual headlines are, Search Reddit as well, because the rules on Reddit are you can't change a headline like that.
You've got to repost.
So when you search Mike Waltz fired in Reddit, here's what you get.
Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Waltz and his something.
Trump came out and said he fired him because of signal issue.
They'd go from it's fake news, hoax, blah, blah, blah.
You have military Trump to oust National Security Advisor Mike Waltz.
Politics saying National Security Mike Waltz to step down.
Mike Waltz was doomed from the start.
Mike Waltz is losing support from the inside.
That's a month ago.
Mike Waltz has left the chat.
Trump ousts.
All of these headlines are basically saying, ha ha ha ha, he got fired.
Here's the story from the Hill.
Trump taps Mike Waltz as UN ambassador and names Rubio as national security advisor.
Let's keep it real simple.
National security advisor.
That's all it is.
It's a staff level position.
Trump says, you want to advise me on these issues?
I'll hire you.
Okay, welcome aboard.
UN ambassador.
Is a cabinet-level position that requires Senate confirmation.
That is a promotion.
Why did this happen?
It's fairly obvious.
Elise Stefanik was tapped to be U.N. ambassador in the Trump administration.
However, that would mean vacating her seat in Congress, putting the Republican thin two-seat majority at risk.
So Trump said, look, these elections that we're having, we don't want another special election.
I need you to stay in Congress.
So she steps down from this potential position and then moves to stay in her congressional seat.
But this leaves a hole.
Who's going to be the UN ambassador?
So without anybody else, Trump said, Mike Waltz, you know what?
Why don't you do it?
I'm going to give you the promotion and give you this cabinet level position.
Now, the question is, why did the media run with this fake story?
And a lot of people are bringing this up in the chat, and I believe this may be the case.
This is called coloring the water.
When you have a leak.
Here's what it means.
There are three plastic cups in a table, all filled with water, and under all three cups is a puddle of water.
One of the cups is leaking, you don't know which one.
So you put red dye, green dye, and red dye in each of them.
Whatever color the water on the table turns, you know which cup has the leak.
So the argument is, Trump whispers to somebody, I'm firing Mike Waltz.
That person runs to the press and screams, Mike Waltz is fired.
And then Trump waits to see if the press picks the story up.
And then he knows who is leaking this information.
Now, it might not be a single individual.
It could be a department.
But there is a lot of speculation that Trump leaked the first half of the story to see if a certain area of his administration would be leaking the information.
Then later in the day announces, in fact, Mike Waltz is going to be UN ambassador and he's not being fired at all.
So the media walked right into this one.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, it's they walked into it because that they're they're looking for any way that they can, you know, slime Trump any any kind of problem.
And in the administration, they're looking to focus on as much as they can, because I mean, they their entire business model is counter Trump, you know, and I don't see I don't see anything new in this.
mary morgan
And my question is, who was responsible for the signal leak and is there really any
unidentified
I don't imagine.
tim pool
I thought they already said it was like an intern or something who accidentally added them because they sausageed fingers it.
Wasn't it like...
mary morgan
From the signal?
tim pool
Yeah, it was something like they...
mary morgan
It was an intern?
tim pool
I don't know exactly who did it, but I heard there was some staff or intern set up the signal chat a day prior and they like sausageed fingers Goldberg into it or something.
mary morgan
I don't know if it should have been on signal in the first place.
That itself seems like...
A security failure?
tim pool
I think the issue is that Signal disappears the messages that are supposed to be in the public record.
That's why it's wrong.
I don't care if they're using Signal.
Signal's encrypted.
rudyard lynch
The other thing as well is that they don't trust the American security establishment.
And so Signal is an independent, non-rest-of-American regime-aligned thing because any of the normal military systems they could use might be getting bugged by the other side.
mary morgan
Is there any alternative?
I mean, I just assumed that they had encrypted email services.
tim pool
I gotta be honest.
phil labonte
I just thought that was a thing that they used.
They have internal internet?
Intranet?
But they don't actually have...
mary morgan
It's just too much of a hassle, I guess?
phil labonte
Well, the thing is, the intranet stuff, if I understand correctly, and I'm not an expert on top secret or the system that they use, but...
If I understand correctly, you have to be in a SCIF to access those computers.
Because those computers are only connected to other computers on the network, and you have to be in a secret facility.
tim pool
I think there's another way to put it.
Mary, do you believe there's a deep state?
mary morgan
Sure.
tim pool
I mean, there is a group of people who are hired that...
Persist in these executive-level and intelligence-level jobs, or I should say governmental-level jobs, whether or not a new administration comes in.
So Obama gets elected, there's holdovers from the Bush administration.
Then Trump gets elected, there's holdovers from Obama and Bush.
So we refer to those people that have been in government for decades without being elected as the deep state.
That's a simple way of putting it.
The next question is, do you believe that there are people working in government who are working to oppose Trump and his administration?
mary morgan
People who were hired by Trump?
tim pool
No.
mary morgan
Well, I think people, including, yes, including people who were hired by Trump, yeah.
tim pool
So what I see with this, why would they use Signal, you know, of all things, and why not go to the skiff or whatever?
Sounds to me like they actually trust Signal can't be breached by intelligence agents who they don't trust.
Well, when they let them in, which is the sausage fingers.
mary morgan
I don't know if I believe Sausage Fingers is the...
tim pool
You think someone intentionally brought him in?
mary morgan
You're Occam's razoring it, but like...
I don't think so.
tim pool
Sausage Fingers, that's the explanation.
phil labonte
Possibly.
mary morgan
Autocorrect?
What was his name?
The journalist.
Goldberg?
Was it Jeffrey Goldberg?
Or some other Jeffrey?
How does that happen?
tim pool
No, I don't know.
Like, they were swiping.
mary morgan
They just meant to type Jeffrey something else.
tim pool
Oh, come on.
I accidentally ordered an extra burrito the other day on DoorDash.
You could sausage fingers on accident.
It happens.
Like, I was swiping through the thing, and then I must have hit the plus when I was ordering my burrito bowl.
unidentified
We put it in the fridge.
tim pool
Somebody ate it.
mary morgan
So you don't think there was even a leaker to blame?
Not an intentional leak?
I think it was unintentional?
tim pool
Yeah, because this is not how you leak stuff.
And nothing was really leaked.
I gotta be honest.
I still think there's a strong possibility Signalgate was they intentionally wanted this information to get out.
So they brought Goldberg in.
mary morgan
It was like a scripted group chat.
tim pool
Yeah, it was the most...
mary morgan
Now you say this, and like, I'll say that.
tim pool
But read what they said in that chat, and it's really mundane.
It's like only America can stand to defend our...
I was like, why are they talking like this?
And there's no shorthand either.
mary morgan
Yeah, I thought I heard some takes that it was more so to portray...
Vance as being anti-war.
Yeah, I guess anti-war, like leaning anti-war.
tim pool
So it seems like that could be the case, but either way, it's not even a story.
Journalists get access to this information all the time.
The issue is that any reasonable human being would just respond with, guys, I shouldn't be in this chat.
You know, I don't want to have access.
Here's why I think that whole thing is fake.
Yo, if I accidentally got a text from the president, Hegseth, and Vance, I'm going to be like, Guys, stop talking right now.
I'm not supposed to be here.
I don't have access.
I don't have clearance.
phil labonte
Not if you're hostile to the president and you want to use it as a story.
mary morgan
Would you publicize the fact that that happened if it did?
tim pool
No.
These are sources.
This is the crazy thing about how these journalists are scumbags, which is why I do lean towards, in this story with Mike Waltz, the Trump admin is just looking for ways to screw him over and insult him.
Trump just does it to their face, like on the ABC interview.
But I got a lot of people...
I just went and did interviews at the White House.
So I'm meeting with staffers, communications people.
We met a handful of them.
I'm not going to come out here and start screaming their names and talking about the things they're saying or doing.
They have a reasonable expectation of privacy when they're dealing with me on certain issues.
Now, I'll be honest, depending on the scale of information, if I accidentally got a text message from Donald Trump and I knew it was him and he said something like, I hate...
They're all a bunch of morons and I'm pro-choice and I'm going to do everything I can to make abortion legal.
Then I might.
I probably would be like, yo, what?
That's a crazy thing to be private messaging.
And that's seriously detrimental to his base.
It's deceptive.
In this regard, it was a private communication over a security issue without classified information or minimal information that could be considered classified.
So it was just nothing.
It was a waste of all of our time.
And it is now, too.
The media is trash.
phil labonte
Well, yeah.
I mean, the whole thing was, you know, Goldberg shouldn't have been in there, but the reason that he stayed in there and didn't make himself known and say, hey guys, is because he was looking for information that he could use to slime the president.
The fact that he's in there, as soon as he realized that he was in there, he was like, okay.
I'm going to stay here because if they say anything that I can make into a story, then I'm going to make it into a story.
He's been hostile to the president forever.
He was all on the Russia, Russia, Russia thing.
mary morgan
So when he said he was like afraid of...
The way that he framed it, he was like, oh, I left the chat because it was out of moral principle and I feared that I was...
He voluntarily left the chat, but he did screenshot everything, obviously.
phil labonte
Yeah, he stayed in there.
mary morgan
He voluntarily left after what amount of time?
phil labonte
I don't know how long.
tim pool
When you screenshot the signal, doesn't it tell the other person?
mary morgan
No.
tim pool
Snapchat does.
mary morgan
It does.
Maybe they should just do all of their communication on Snapchat, because that would be more transparent.
But, like, I don't know how long it was between him getting added and then him leaving.
phil labonte
But look, the point is, he was all in.
The whole Russia collusion thing.
I mean, he's from the Atlantic.
The Atlantic was after Trump from day one.
So he was all in on the Russia collusion thing previously.
He had a hard-on for Trump forever.
And the fact that he was in there, he knew that that was bad that he was in there.
So he just stayed until he could get enough information to go ahead and slime the administration.
That's all that it was.
So if he was actually a person...
mary morgan
The information that slimes the administration is the fact that he was at it, not really anything that was said.
phil labonte
Yeah, but I mean, he but the thing is, he wanted to have he wanted to have enough information that he could make something out of it.
Now, granted, the actual information that they exchanged in the Slack or in the the whatever it's called channel, like it's not that big of a deal.
They weren't actually giving out.
He was saying that when they were launching, but there was no actual classified information.
tim pool
I'm changing my position.
I agree with Mary.
Trump is bad and the media is good.
mary morgan
That's not what I was saying, Tim.
Come on now.
tim pool
The media is bad and Trump's administration makes mistakes sometimes.
Is that where we're at?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm totally fine with that.
I love when liberals are like, oh yeah, criticize Donald Trump.
And I'm like, he sausageed fingers his phone and typed covfefe once.
He fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria.
I mean, like, come on.
And that's low-hanging fruit.
I know the Tomahawk missiles in Syria is really easy.
There's other things to criticize him for.
The MS-13 thing is now something you can...
But, look.
You know, I went on Piers Morgan the other day and Piers asked if Joe Biden had done what Trump did, would I be defending him and saying he had a good administration?
I said, probably not.
Because Trump...
More aligned with my moral worldview.
And so when Trump makes mistakes, I'm forgiving because the greater mission of the Trump administration is good for my way of life.
The greater mission of Joe Biden is bad for my way of life.
That's why when Joe Biden does things like promoting transiting the kids and DEI, opening our borders, all of it is bad.
If you then combine that with other bad things like screwing up the economy and people's 401ks going down, I'd be like, this is a bad guy doing bad things.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, is securing the border, trying to bring manufacturing back, telling people to have babies.
These are things that I think are very, very good.
So when Trump enacts a plan and it's got a negative result, I say, well, look, I'm skeptical on the universal tariffs.
That's where I've always been.
And I do think we should not gloat about people's 401ks going down or do this dumb thing where people are like, who cares about losing money?
No, we all do care.
But I'm not going to complain about Donald Trump making mistakes because I believe...
That he is bringing us on the right track and that he needs our support even when he makes mistakes.
That's the difference.
rudyard lynch
The left is incapable of generating leadership because they purity spiral all the time.
The reason that we default onto such mediocre leftists as the ruling class is because they constantly look for – they constantly look to tear their own people down.
tim pool
Indeed.
That's why there was this funny story.
It said Democrats are trying to court the manosphere.
And then they said the Manosphere was Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn, and Andrew Schultz.
And I was like, no, those are just a bunch of comedians.
They are not Manosphere at all.
So these journalists are completely incapable of comprehending a Google search?
phil labonte
Absolutely clueless.
tim pool
That was Alex Thompson from Axios, the guy who claimed, you know, we really missed this story on Biden.
rudyard lynch
Oh, okay, dude.
tim pool
I think these journalists are just largely developmentally disabled.
phil labonte
Really out of touch.
I mean, I think that the piece that they did on Hassan kind of shows that.
They actually said, oh, this guy's got a liberal in a MAGA body, and it's like admitting that the left is full of soft, out-of-shape garbage.
tim pool
Let's roll with this.
You brought it up, Phil.
Here you go, from the New York Times.
A progressive mind in a body made for the manosphere.
They changed the title.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, because it said...
It said MAGA body before.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And what you were saying is they're basically admitting that the left is a bunch of frail, low-T guys who don't exercise.
phil labonte
And it's absolutely true.
Yes, of course, there are some dudes that are on the left that lift.
Of course there are.
But generally...
Dudes that are on the left are not thinking about things like, oh man, I should go to the gym today.
I should do something to improve myself.
They just don't have that attitude.
They tend to have an attitude of, it's someone else's fault.
Someone else is the reason why these bad things have happened to me.
They don't believe they have agency over their own body, never mind their life circumstances.
tim pool
So here's the original headline.
Hasan Piker, a progressive mind in a MAGA body.
I love that headline.
Let's roll with it.
If you are fit, if you exercise, if you like weapons, that's MAGA.
The only anomaly is that for some reason Hasan is progressive.
I gotta be honest though.
I actually don't believe Hasan is progressive.
And I actually don't think most of these people are.
So we went over this the other day with David Pakman, Brian Tyler Cohen.
Boy, I love dragging these guys right now because...
92, like probably 95 to 100% of their videos are literally just Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
Trump is bad for this reason.
Now he's bad for this reason.
Now he's bad for this reason.
It's like these people don't talk about news.
They are literally just Trump review channels, which means there is a logical inconsistency.
You can't simultaneously exist in this space where everything Trump does is bad.
So like the immigration thing, which we'll get into in a little bit, where it's like a two-year-old was deported because the mom requested the two-year-old leave with her.
How dare Trump do that?
Then you've got a simultaneous story from New York Times.
A two-year-old stayed after his parents were deported.
How dare Trump do that?
So here's what I imagine.
I imagine that if you actually got someone like Hassan or Pacman behind closed doors, they'd probably say a whole bunch of pro-Trump stuff.
Easily.
They're just putting on a show for money.
I do believe Hassan Piker hates America.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I do believe that he is like pro-Palestine.
I do believe he hates Israel and all those things.
But there are a lot of pro-Trump people also absolutely hate Israel and hate that Donald Trump supports Israel, but they like Trump for what he's doing for America.
And that's, you know, it is what it is.
But I'd be willing to bet, based on the logic of Trump's plans, like, you know, renegotiating the USMCA and things like this.
If you brought those progressives in private with the cameras off, they'd say, I like all of these things.
And if you go, those are Trump things, they'll go, I don't know, whatever.
They wouldn't want to admit it.
rudyard lynch
I'm so glad you brought up David Pakman because he's actually my example of the intellectual who is most symbolic for the ruling regime.
I have watched this clip of David Pakman multiple times just to analyze it, and it's him talking about the economy being good.
And I watch it because it's just emblematic of the DNC personified.
tim pool
Like the economy being good right now?
rudyard lynch
Yeah, yeah.
This was like a year ago, but it was saying, oh, the stock markets, the numbers are, line go up.
Oh, right.
tim pool
Yeah, graph go up.
rudyard lynch
And a lot of these statistics are themselves completely falsified.
So he's going off gerrymandered and falsified and exaggerated statistics at best say that everything is fine.
We're at war with East Asia.
tim pool
You know, I want to do a couple of things.
I want to show you first, you know, David Pakman, because he deserves all of the attention he can get for his hard work.
This is his list of videos on YouTube right now with 3.17 million subscribers.
Bravo to him.
He gets millions of views.
He gets massive viewership.
Over 2 billion views.
He makes tons of money.
Dude's probably a millionaire.
First video, Trump.
Second video, Trump.
Next video, Trump.
Fifth video, Trump.
Sixth, Trump.
Oh, wait!
Seventh video is press briefing or SNL skit.
He doesn't mention Trump, okay?
The next one is GOP down because of Trump.
Trump, Trump, Trump.
Guys, you get the point.
These people do not do news and political commentary.
It's literally just the Trump show.
And I think they're attracted to him.
But you know what?
That's just me.
I want to go back to the Hassan Piker story, and let's talk about the corporate press.
Ladies and gentlemen, for what reason did the New York Times give a glowing profile to Hassan Piker?
Honest question.
Has he done something that warrants?
A big profile page like this with this full image.
And I mean, they're not criticizing him at all for the most part.
I mean, do they bring up?
Honestly, I didn't read it.
All I know is that they said he's a progressive mind and a body for the manosphere or a MAGA body.
Fighting for LGBTQ rights, etc., etc.
Do they bring up the times he said America deserved 9-11 or things like that?
Here's why I asked this question.
I got here live search.app.
It's at LiveSearchApp.
They track the biggest live streams in the country every day.
And you will see number one for April 29th.
I know this is two days ago.
This is the latest update.
Steven Crowder, the biggest live stream in the country.
Consistently, too.
Crowder's usually number one or number two.
Dan Bongino was number one for a while, but now he's at the FBI.
Kai Sinat, number two.
Yo, everybody knows him.
I see his videos pop up on Instagram all the time.
His persona is, I'm confused.
Am I wrong?
mary morgan
He just makes a confused face at the camera.
I mean, it looks more like a minstrel show, if I'm being honest.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I don't want to drag him, because I think when he's going and doing...
He goes places, then he's confused when he sees something new.
It's entertaining.
I'm not trying to drag the guy forward.
It's fun content.
Timcast IRL number three.
Proud to say.
Bob Ross, number four.
Right Side Broadcasting, number five.
Ryan Hall, number six.
Queso, number seven.
Vince, number eight.
Pat McAfee, number nine.
Aiden Ross, number ten.
Redacted, number eleven.
Tim Cast Morning Show, number twelve.
Jinxy, number thirteen.
Law and Crime, fourteen.
PBD, fifteen.
Tim the Tatman, sixteen.
Emily D. Baker, seventeen.
Court TV, eighteen.
Hassan Piker, nineteen.
So, certainly you're allowed to write glowing profiles and reviews for whoever you want.
They don't need to be the biggest shows in the world.
I'm just pointing out, He's the 19th biggest live show in the country on average around there.
The New York Times is giving him a profile because the New York Times is liberal media trying to promote the worldview that he has.
phil labonte
I think a portion of it is that they believe that he will attract young men like Joe Rogan or whatever because the left knows that they've lost him.
A significant portion of young men, young men are turning to the right.
And so Hassan, as a, you know, as the guy that wears masculinity like a skin suit, just like the left does with just about everything, they believe that they can, he'll attract young men back to the left.
mary morgan
Does Hassan have a predominantly male audience?
tim pool
Yes.
mary morgan
I assumed it was female.
tim pool
I would assume anyone in politics is going to have a predominantly male audience.
mary morgan
Okay, yeah.
That's fair.
And also because the majority of users on like...
Twitch or YouTube, they're male.
tim pool
I don't know that's true.
mary morgan
I think 60% of users on YouTube are male.
rudyard lynch
She's correct.
tim pool
Okay.
rudyard lynch
The left has an inability to see the inner forms of things.
They can only see their external trappings.
And due to that, their sense of time is very poor.
They don't have a concept of change flowing over time incrementally.
And so...
One of their core issues is they're sensing that they're losing a lot of support with their young male demographic, but then they don't realize that that's not something that you can change overnight by just having a—because they see Joe Rogan and they want to have a figure like Joe Rogan, but then they can't artificially create that and they can't artificially— Build up that cultural form and they can't wipe away the years of abuse against young white men.
tim pool
So here's a story from Axios.
Democrats eyeing 2028 court the manosphere.
And I just mentioned this, but they bring up the manosphere as going on PBD.
Yeah, going on the men at work, going on flagrant.
They mentioned that Trump made popular going on manosphere shows like Joe Rogan, Theophon, Theophon, Lex Fridman.
phil labonte
Nice.
tim pool
And Andrew Schultz, Lex is the exact opposite of the manosphere.
phil labonte
Yes.
mary morgan
Is it just because they're male?
phil labonte
Just because they're male.
tim pool
Because they're men.
phil labonte
The left knows nothing about men.
mary morgan
They also choose the right of courting the womanosphere.
So I'm confused.
What is the right?
tim pool
Well, no, no.
They said that there is the rise of the womanosphere, which is Brett Cooper and Candace Owens and some other people.
I just want to mention one real quick thing about Lex Fridman.
And I mean this with all due respect.
Do you know what the number one reason people tell me they listen to Lex's podcast?
Any guesses?
Yes!
You got it!
I'm not kidding!
This is not a joke!
I hear all the time from my friends that...
And look, I'm not trying to be a dick.
Maybe this is a really good thing.
They turn on Lex's show and they fall asleep.
mary morgan
The soothing timbre of his voice.
tim pool
But I mean that literally.
I do think so.
It's a very, like, low, calm show where the talking is quite honestly the opposite of this.
mary morgan
Like a white noise machine.
tim pool
It is.
But it's interesting, too.
So you get a mix of, maybe for about ten minutes you're hearing someone say something like, with the AI advancements in the latest developments, we're starting to see programs that are riding them.
This knocks you right out.
That is not the manosphere.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
But anyway, you make a good point.
The reason why the New York Times writes an article about a guy who, he's got a big show that's fine, but there's a lot of other people to write about.
They've been demanding, they've been begging for the left version of Joe Rogan, which, to be honest, was Joe Rogan.
And they're thinking, okay, Hassan's got a big live audience.
Can we make him big?
Can we make him the masculine presence to bring men into progressive politics?
I think the answer is no.
Because I'm willing to bet that most of the guys...
Who watch Hassan are probably not very strong.
And guys who are masculine are not going to agree with a worldview aligned with progressivism.
phil labonte
They probably dress like girls, too.
tim pool
Look, no matter how you dress up the salesmen of progressivism, it is anti-masculine.
phil labonte
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
Guys who exercise are not going to get down with communism.
phil labonte
No.
Well, again...
tim pool
On average.
phil labonte
Again, the...
The defining factor, or not the defining factor, one of the common traits of people on the right is they believe they have agency and the ability to affect their world.
And people on the left think that life happens to them.
People on the right think I am able to have an impact on my life.
It's why they are the go-getters.
It's why they're the people that go and exercise.
It's why they're the people that start businesses.
It's why they're the people that do things.
People on the left are activists because they want someone to advocate for them.
This is something that's common.
And again, it's not all people that are on the right or on the left, but it's very, very common.
The left has thrown men away.
They have blamed men and boys for all the problems in the world, and they've been doing it for 30, 40 years, and now they're realizing, oh crap, we kind of want their votes.
And so they're doing the best that they can to attract young men back, and the best way to do that is get masculine-looking men to give the narrative that the left wants.
mary morgan
I don't watch Hassan Piker's content, but it seems like he doesn't align with mainstream Democrat Party views.
phil labonte
He's a commie.
mary morgan
Party lines.
Well, I don't know what he would call himself.
phil labonte
The people who consider himself progressive.
tim pool
The people working at the New York Times that are running the show are commies.
This wasn't the case 10 years ago, but as boomers and Gen X move out of those positions, millennials fill them, and you're getting largely—I mean, journalists tend to be women and tend to be Democrats.
So these younger people, look at Bud Light.
Bud Light goes Dylan Mulvaney.
They say, we want to get rid of the frat bro image.
And it was obvious it was going to be some millennial woman who got hired in the marketing position who was going to change the rules or change the play.
And it was correct.
It was this woman.
This is what happens when millennial women come in.
They bring their worldview with them.
Why wouldn't they?
And that's what's happening at the New York Times.
They're promoting Hassan because to them, he is what the left needs to be.
mary morgan
Normal?
Like, would you consider him normal-looking?
phil labonte
Hassan?
mary morgan
Because I just, I remember back in the summer last year, they started this campaign about how Trump is weird and Vance is weird and they wanted to kind of put this like weirdness over.
phil labonte
They left that behind because it didn't work.
mary morgan
It didn't land, obviously.
They even started selling shirts that were like, Trump is weird and they had like a girl with a septum piercing and purple hair like modeling it.
phil labonte
As soon as Trump and Vance went on the podcasts, people were like, oh.
These guys are totally normal.
And it's particularly Vance.
Vance, they really tried hard to push the, he's weird, he's weird, blah, blah, blah.
And then Vance went on Joe Rogan and I believe on, I'm not sure who else, but he went on a bunch of podcasts and people were like, oh, he's like the most normal dude ever.
I don't know what the hell they're talking about.
mary morgan
But what I understand is that Hasan Piker's content is mostly him monologuing during his streams.
And what people like about Joe Rogan is that he...
standpoint of intellectual humility.
Like he has something to learn from his guests.
Yep. That's not something that I've seen in any left wing podcaster.
phil labonte
No, not at all.
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Because they're, because they would never interview someone they disagree with anyway.
phil labonte
I want to jump to these stories.
tim pool
Let's get into immigration.
We've got this one from NBC News.
Two-year-old U.S. citizen apparently removed from the country with no meaningful process, judge says.
The child's mother was being deported and wanted to take the girl, U.S. lawyer said.
When the judge asked to speak to her, they were already in the air.
Heavens me!
Well, it's okay.
From the New York Times, a mother and father were deported.
What happened to the toddler?
Their daughter remains somewhere in the U.S. This is what's called 100% negative coverage.
There is no right answer for Donald Trump.
Trump, by virtue of being Trump, is wrong to these people.
And so, I don't know how.
Rudyard, I ask of you how we survive as a civilization, as a country, when you have one faction, which focuses on the news of the day, the stories, the big issues.
Some people are obsessed with Trump on the right, but, you know, we're looking for the right thing to do.
And then on the left, you have a media that says Trump is wrong no matter what, don't know, don't care.
That's it.
The only media they're producing is Trump bad all day, every day.
How do you exist with people who aren't looking for solutions to make the country work?
They just want to hate people.
rudyard lynch
Thank you for that transition.
You did a good job.
It's hard to get good transitions, man.
If you've got a podcast, you've got different parts you've got to move through.
But I am known for my prediction that America is on the verge of a revolution or a civil war, and I've traced this back to multiple historic crises, and I stand by my thesis that we need to have a war where… This is one of those things where words are tricky,
but there's an underlying very simple concept.
The natural momentum of American society will result in a war.
And that this is the ultimate culmination of the variables that are in motion.
Because I've studied like five different historic models that predict we're going to have a revolution in civil war.
And most of them go back to the 20th century.
tim pool
But have you factored in the demographic collapse?
rudyard lynch
I was going to talk about that.
There's multiple points.
So the shortest answer I can give you is I still think we're going to have a war.
And there's several reasons for why I believe that.
After that...
There are several variables which may have been why this took longer than I expected.
And on top of that, just my read on how the events of the last election have changed the last six months of American politics.
So I'll get started with why I think we need to have a revolution or a civil war.
tim pool
What do you mean by need?
There's the personal moral, we need a war because I want my thing, or there's a, our country is falling apart and the only way we change is through a war.
rudyard lynch
So I'm going to stop here and say I am innately, profoundly grateful I lost this bed because on one side my pride gets hurt and on the other side there's a major war.
And one of these is definitely better than the other.
And so I think...
The variables in motion now will mean that we will have a war where in the same manner that, let's say, when there's a thunderstorm that's coming, the weatherman can predict with a certain degree of accuracy that there's going to be a thunderstorm.
The thing that is the most difficult to predict is timing, which is consistently the case with almost every variable that relates to...
Predicting anything because this isn't a set scientific.
This isn't a set thing where you can mathematically get the outcome.
However, I think that with the current variables in motion, we're going to have a war.
phil labonte
So why?
rudyard lynch
So I study a variety of different historic models and...
They all say that America is on the verge of having a war, and they've said this for decades because the variables that cause wars go back decades.
Examples of this is the generational patterns where America has consistently had a war every 80 years.
World War II, U.S. Civil War, American Revolution, etc., going backwards.
And when I look at the underlying variables in America today, what I'm seeing is that...
There is too high cost of living, too high inequality, too high – all of the variables that cause civil wars and there's no mechanism to reset this.
And I've spoken before in a previous video how I think the left is in a strategic place where they have to have a war to maintain their coalitions because most wars after the Industrial Revolution stem from one side being desperate.
phil labonte
Is it your sense that the income inequality is the big driver now, or do you think that it's ideological?
rudyard lynch
Yes.
So things happen for complex reasons.
I like to say, if you don't have at least five causal variables, you're not doing it right.
The biggest issue is that cost of living is fundamentally not attainable for most Americans.
Just most Americans do not have the money to start a family.
They do not have the money to buy a house to live what used to be a normal, decent life.
And what happened is that this sort of thing, historically, it only ends in a war because you end up in this gridlock.
Because I could explain all of this, but there's lots of downstream effects.
And in said downstream effects, both sides have these huge populations of dissatisfied people.
who it's called elite aspirants.
And so when you have these large populations of dissatisfied people that can't
That don't have anything else going on, you're going to have a war.
And I've been reading a lot about the French Revolution lately where it's interesting that you see years building up to the French Revolution where for a person afterwards, it was completely obvious it would happen.
every single step of the way up there people were in denial and that's what's going to happen here that I believe we will have a war or political crisis like this and then afterwards all of
phil labonte
When you say political crisis, can you expand on that and what you mean by political crisis if you're not talking about kinetic war or whatever?
rudyard lynch
They predict internal social crises.
And so I say civil war revolution because that's the normal variable that occurs.
The only other thing is...
If Trump could completely wipe out the leftist elite through Doge in like a two-year period, that would solve it.
But the issue with that is that you would end up in a weird situation where the left is desperate, which is where I think the left's at now.
And this is one of the points I wanted to bring up, that the amount of violence that's going on now is horrific.
And these things, they're like brush fires.
A brush fire will keep growing until it grows into a fire once it's past a certain scale.
The way the left is ramping up in violence in itself is completely terrifying.
phil labonte
Do you think that that's something that they're, and when I say they, I mean the left, do you think that that's something the left can sustain and actually intensify, or do you think that it's something that'll peter up?
Because it's my sense that there has to be something that really motivates your average person to get involved for it to really spread.
rudyard lynch
So the way these crises tend to work is that people's hands get forced under certain conditions where – I spoke about this the last time I was on your show, but if you look at the English Civil War, you look at the French Revolution, you look at the fall of the Roman Republic, what occurs in each case is that there's a sort of political crisis.
And then the political crisis forced the rights and the left to go into different brackets, and then they defend their own side.
And so what happens is that normally something like a budget issue hits or some politically important person gets murdered, and that forces both sides' hands.
But again, this is the norm for these kinds of historic crises.
Most people beforehand would not have wanted a war if they were asked, and then it happened anyway.
mary morgan
What was the initial bet that you made?
rudyard lynch
The third would be a thousand deaths.
There would be a thousand politically motivated deaths by the end of April.
I made it with my friend Andrew Heaton when I won his podcast.
tim pool
Have you counted how many?
rudyard lynch
No.
The funny thing is that...
tim pool
Because there were like, I think, probably 30 or 40 from when you came on the show until...
rudyard lynch
Yeah, so...
I'm not counting because I said before, it wouldn't surprise you if it's in the hundreds, because if we hit 1,000, we're going to know about it.
The thing I was really trying to say is that we'll have some type of politically motivated major crisis that would cause blood on the streets.
tim pool
In these historical contexts, I mean, like going back much, much further, were they also facing population decline?
Like significant population decline.
rudyard lynch
Historic population decline.
I'm glad you said that as well.
Another good transition is I wanted to get to one of the mitigating variables where...
Population decline has happened before in history, and especially so the kind we're talking, which is birth rate.
So Will Durant, one of the best historians ever, he said the thing that killed the Greeks and the Romans was the declining birth rate.
That was the number one variable he picked.
Because when societies get wealthy, they stop having children.
And that's been a consistent pattern for all of history.
And city people historically have never been able to have children.
Back in the ancient and medieval worlds, the cities were completely dependent on the countrysides just to sustain their numbers.
tim pool
Interesting.
Right now, I believe Gen Alpha is supposed to be ending this year, and there's an estimated 40 to 48 million projected for Gen Alpha.
Millennials are about 72 million.
Gen Z is about 69 million.
And we're facing what they're calling the demographic cliff, where because of the fertility drop-off after the Great Recession in 2007 and 2008...
We have no 18-year-olds to go to universities.
We have no 18-year-olds, 16-year-olds even, to start taking low-skill entry-level jobs that help sustain small business and grow.
There's a few examples we have here in Charleston, Charlestown, West Virginia, where businesses are going under because they can't find anybody to do rudimentary work.
So applying that to this political conflict we have, and I feel like.
Either it happens in the next couple of years, fourth turning style, straw style generational theory, or what is it?
A bunch of late 30s Gen Z fighting with a bunch of other late 30s Gen Z and there's no kids for whoever wins?
rudyard lynch
The thing I wanted to bring up is I've been looking at an interesting theory by Nietzsche, where Nietzsche was writing in the late 19th century, and the video I'm—I've got a couple videos in production.
The one I'm currently writing is The Rise and Fall of the Blue Pill, and— I use the blue pill as a moment of history in which over the course of the 20th century, we saw the rise of just really silly worldviews that have no relation to reality.
And the blue pill is a worldview built off platitudes and nice-sounding things rather than the truth.
So Nietzsche predicted the society of the early 21st century would be so weak it would be incapable of living, it would be incapable of sustaining itself, and it would hate those who had the will to keep living the most of anyone.
And when I look at our era, we are terrified of – we're terrified of change more so than previous historic societies.
So I think it goes to reason somewhat that we would delay a historic event like this because –
Because of that.
However, I still think that historic events like this have to happen because you look over the course of history and whenever you see a major sociological or demographic shift, it's accompanied by war.
And too many players in this current game have to have a war.
And when I say social issue, what I could possibly be saying besides a war inside America would be, let's say, China attacking Taiwan and we fight them.
Or some major international war or something like that.
There has to be a destabilizer to the current order because this order can't survive much longer.
tim pool
Let me jump to the story.
I think this segment actually really exemplifies what we're talking about.
This is from NPR.
Trump appointed federal judge Block's Use of Alien Enemies Act for Venezuelans in South Texas.
There are a couple rulings.
One was that in California...
CBP that wants to stop an illegal immigrant can't unless they have a judicial warrant for that individual.
And if they try to deport the person, that person needs to be informed they can choose to not deport if they want.
You then have this story, which is just coming out today, blocking Trump's use, a federal judge, of the Alien Enemies Act of Venezuelans.
Now, what's crazy about this story is that the judge granted class action status to basically anyone from, like, any Venezuelan immigrant, which is nuts.
We are dealing with, in this country, the American tradition, which is people who have family here for several generations, who believe in the United States, and then you have, and that's largely represented by Trump.
On the Democrat side, they are represented by illegal immigrants, non-citizens, and they want as many non-Americans to come into this country, and they simultaneously argue, we love America, this is our country.
Clearly, both are not the same thing.
You cannot have two factions of people, one that says America is for the children of those who built this nation, and another that says America is for anyone who shows up in violation of the law.
What happens then?
Because right now, with these judges blocking the deportation, we have an untenable situation.
Trump has floated, suspending the writ of habeas corpus to deal with these deportations.
Citing Abraham Lincoln and other presidents who have done this without congressional approval, but maybe later getting it.
I'm wondering what you see happening in this regard and if this is a factor in this coming conflict.
rudyard lynch
So Aristotle said that the marker of a tyranny, or at least one of them, is to rely upon foreigners over the citizens of said nation because the foreigners had no stake in the nation's stability.
And I think the left...
Might very well be importing immigrants in to create some kind of army or military force because they would have trouble recruiting among a lot of young men.
And illegals, they'll just say, we'll give you citizenship if you fight for us.
It's a relatively clean deal, at least from their perspective.
phil labonte
I think that's shown in the recruiting.
The statistics from the Biden administration to what happened when Hegseth became the, you know, the sect F. The Trump administration, they hadn't met recruiting goals for multiple years leading up to Donald Trump getting elected or reelected.
And as soon as Donald Trump was reelected, the recruiting goal shot through the roof.
Or the recruiting number shot through the roof.
tim pool
There was that bill a while ago.
I think this is it right here.
I'm trying to find it.
I'll pull this one.
Maybe this is the right story.
Bill offers faster path to American citizenship for migrants who enlist in the military.
And this is from the Courage to Serve Act.
It was bipartisan.
And they said if folks have the courage to raise their right hand, swear an oath to protect and defend this nation and put their lives on the line, then they sure as hell deserve the opportunity to be an American citizen.
And I think the story here was largely for illegal immigrants.
It's been a while.
They're saying migrants.
I do believe that when you get to the point where your military is trying to swear in non-citizens to serve...
phil labonte
That's a problem.
tim pool
That's a country that's not going to survive much longer.
I mean, look, with the economic problems we're already facing, with the demographic drop-off, Donald Trump mass-deporting all of these people is not going to replace the missing children of millennials that don't exist and can't exist for 16, 17 years in terms of the workforce.
I don't know what the solution then would be.
Trump can deport all these people, but Democrats are clearly bringing them in because they're trying to prop up the economic system of the petrodollar.
Trump deports all these people.
The reason they're fighting it is because the world they live in is, graph go up as good.
Trump says, no, we want America for Americans.
But Americans don't have babies.
So how do we sustain this infrastructure?
rudyard lynch
You can't.
I mean, I'm going to be blunt here.
Mexico doesn't have a sustainable birth rate.
Almost nowhere in the world does a sustainable birth rate besides Africa.
So it's our responsibility to start.
We can't use the third world to prop up our numbers forever.
So we have to start having kids ourselves.
tim pool
We can't do it ever.
It never works.
rudyard lynch
Those who have kids will continue to have kids.
This is going to fix itself by the end of the century.
We just need to hang in until there because those who have children will be those who also have children after that.
The culture will change because the culture is a natural reflexive organism that adapts to its environment.
It's not a straight line.
So the culture will have to change to fix this.
We'll just have to hang in there until it happens because government interventions tend to not work.
tim pool
We may be looking at a dark ages.
rudyard lynch
Maybe, but we have to take the plot lines where we're fed.
And I think we'll pull through because Americans are bad at losing.
You look at our history.
tim pool
But this is correct.
I hear this from everybody.
They assume that what we're talking about means humans cease to exist.
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that it's going to be like a dark age.
There's going to be poverty, dilapidated buildings.
City centers will collapse.
Some cities themselves may become ghost towns.
The funny thing is, if you go back in time, even a couple hundred years, we have ghost towns all over the place.
A town was set up for some reason, a couple hundred people live there, and they're gone.
There are now small towns all over the East Coast.
You can find them in Pennsylvania.
They had big populations, and now they have only like 50 people left, and you can see all the houses are just falling apart.
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Why?
tim pool
They used to be based on the railway.
With the train tracks, With the rail delivering all these goods, the trains would stop at towns to resupply.
They need food, they need fuel.
So then towns would exist to provide the jobs to service this cargo that was transporting across the country.
Now we're largely just driving trucks.
It's freight, it's highways.
So the towns that were built next to these railroads are decaying and disappearing.
When you have a demographic drop-off, Donald Trump deporting all these people, we might actually see medium-sized, maybe not medium-sized, but let's say a city that...
May have 10,000, 20,000 people could just completely collapse in 5, 10 years.
A really good example of this is in Ohio where all those Haitians moved in.
Do you remember what the name of that town was?
mary morgan
Springfield.
tim pool
Springfield, Ohio.
And people were pointing out that they're no longer seeing, like, white Americans are seeing Haitians everywhere.
But I also don't think people consider the fact that the population was declining.
In this place.
People did not have kids.
They were not repopulating their own area.
And so I think largely the reason Democrats brought in all these Haitian migrants was they were like, this is an area that needs workers.
Send as many people.
We don't care where they're from or what it does.
Now, that doesn't work.
The problem of needing to maintain a city infrastructure is not remedied by bringing in people who don't know how to maintain city infrastructure.
It is a desperate, holy crap, what do we do?
So I think we may actually end up in a place maybe in 10 or 20 years with – they're calling it a – there's the mortality cliff.
That is a standard thing that happens for all older generations.
So baby boomers are in their mid – I think early 60s to late 70s, meaning boomers right now at the oldest are at life expectancy.
Ten years from now, we're expecting a significant decline.
They're expecting there to be, I think, around 20 million boomers in the next...
How many boomers are there?
I think it's going to be 20 million in 10 years.
How many boomers are alive in the U.S.?
And I think it's probably like, what is it, 60 million or something?
phil labonte
76.4 million.
tim pool
Is that what you have?
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
I have nothing.
It's not loading.
Oh, here we go.
68 million as of 2024.
What was your source?
phil labonte
The Brave.
Browsers, AI.
tim pool
So the prediction is that...
phil labonte
In 2012, they were 76.4 million.
tim pool
Okay, so let me get a fresh prediction.
How many boomers in 10 years?
Because I don't want to make it seem overly dramatic, like, you know, 40, 50 million people die in 10 years.
rudyard lynch
The other thing is, so, I'm from Pennsylvania, so I know a lot of the places you're talking about.
I have several stories here, especially when I hiked the Appalachian Trail.
I slept in a few ghost towns.
And it's just really sad in Pennsylvania.
But the death of the boomers is also the death of an entire worldview where the boomers are holding together the post-World War II order.
And so once the boomers retire, you'll see a complete cultural shift in a sub-variety of different things.
phil labonte
Brock estimates 2035 there will be 50 to 58 million boomers.
tim pool
Okay, so I was way off.
And by 2045, 37 million.
So that's a really great point and an important one.
The boomers are largely the principal voting bloc right now.
So take a look at these progressives that are being propped up that are younger.
Look at the worldviews they're cultivating.
It is a psychotic, deranged worldview with no cohesive policy plan, no cohesive structure of governance.
It's simply Trump is bad.
That is not going to vote for anything reasonable or meaningful.
We will not function.
This country is not going to function.
I can't.
Let me tell you guys this.
I was looking at a house today.
It's, I think, five point something acres.
It's a bungalow.
And they want around half a million dollars for it.
It's trashed.
It's not worth it.
The amount of work you'd have to put in to fix the floors.
To fix the carpets and set it all up?
Not worth it.
I asked the real estate agent, okay, so it's a big acreage, we get that, but the house needs $100,000 in work and you want $500,000 for it.
And she said, well, right now, in West Virginia, a new-built bungalow on an acre is $600,000.
Yeah.
And I said, that's impossible.
That's impossible.
Who's going to buy it?
Honest question.
It blew my mind that that was the going rate for these houses.
A bungalow is a three-bedroom, one-story house in a rural area on one acre for $600,000.
Ain't no Gen Z going to buy that.
Millennials ain't going to buy that.
So what happens in 10, 20 years?
Boomers are going to be much, much older and holding on all these properties.
What is to come?
Makes literally no sense in terms of a cohesive, functioning system.
And I'll tell you this.
Flooding the country with illegal immigrants ain't going to change any of that.
It's only going to make war.
So I don't know what you do.
But I'm curious, again, on those issues, what you think we could expect to see.
rudyard lynch
So the reason that the housing market's so expensive is that there's a vast amount of cheap money in the economy right now.
Or who?
The government.
I meant to say free money.
The government just prints a lot of money, and it just floods the economy because the money is not actually representative of the economy, so it causes the price of everything to skyrocket, and housing is a stable asset.
So housing is a physical thing.
So when you invest in housing, as the value of the money deteriorates itself, The house is still there.
So housing is hedged against inflation, which is why it's skyrocketing.
Same thing as why the stock market...
It's insane that the stock market has been having a very good time in the last five years when the American people have been completely screwed over.
And it's because the government prints cheap money.
tim pool
And you can't hold cash.
rudyard lynch
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
So I'll put it this way.
It's not that the value of the house is going up.
It's not that stocks are going up.
It's that the dollar is crumbling.
rudyard lynch
Correct.
tim pool
So this is really fascinating.
It looks like...
The value of stocks is going up, but I wonder if you compare it to buying power, if the buying power value of these things is increasing, because I'd argue it's not.
rudyard lynch
Buying power is garbage.
It's collapsed precipitously in the last 10 years.
I mean, I remember when everything—I'm 23, I'm young.
I remember when everything was half the price it is now.
And that's just, it's sad.
And as of a little over a year and a half ago, in the previous...
Three years, our currency had lost a quarter of its value, and that's the government numbers.
And the government numbers are always lowballs because they always manipulate the stats.
I mean, I would expect a number significantly higher, that the value of your currency for what it was 10, 5 years ago is nothing.
tim pool
I want to add one thing.
I want to add something.
Right?
We showed you guys yesterday and today David Pakman's YouTube channel.
It's all Trump.
How many views do you think he's gotten this month?
phil labonte
I don't know.
A couple million?
rudyard lynch
I'd say 100,000 each video.
tim pool
So how many views this month?
If he's putting out five or six videos per day?
rudyard lynch
Let's say...
I'm making up numbers.
Four million, five million.
tim pool
106 million views in the last month doing nothing but diarrhea from his mouth about Donald Trump.
rudyard lynch
Damn.
Jesus.
tim pool
Yep.
Yep.
I think Timcast IRL, well, I can't track Timcast IRL as easily because we're split between multiple platforms, so that's actually hard to track.
Our views had gone up, but I can't really track it.
You know what I can track is just my Timcast news on Social Blade, which it's still split.
28 million on just YouTube alone, and then it's probably another maybe 10 on Rumble.
Because it's harder to track.
Dave Payne's not on Rumble.
The reason why I bring this up, what do you think it means that our media space, let me also do this, Brian Tyler Cohen, because I want to show these guys whose only subject is Trump, 196 million views.
phil labonte
Unreal.
tim pool
Estimated monthly earnings, $785,000.
rudyard lynch
Damn.
tim pool
And I'm going to tell you, that's a low number.
rudyard lynch
Damn.
tim pool
The only thing they say is Trump.
Every single video.
Our culture is deranged.
I'm sorry.
This is...
You can argue that clearly it's not 196 million Americans.
It may be 20 million Americans who watch these videos religiously.
But either way, a large sect of the population, their brain is being fried like a sunny-side-up egg in a frying pan like that commercial back in the 80s.
This is your brain on drugs.
I can't imagine what the next 10 years are going to look like.
If Trump leaves, I mean, Trump's going to leave.
What happens to the brains of these people if there's no Trump?
It's like their whole world ceases to exist.
mary morgan
Can it transfer over to Vance or whoever is the successor?
tim pool
I don't think so.
rudyard lynch
They're trying that with Elon because the reason I think they're targeting Elon because I didn't understand the Tesla move in any other lens.
Besides this, is they've focused their hatred on Trump for the last nine years.
You can only keep your audience engaged for so long.
And so I think they're switching over to Elon because he's the wealthiest man in the world and he's a big attractor of envy because the left is motivated by envy.
And so I think they're switching over to Elon as just a new target to feed their energy off.
mary morgan
Okay, I'm not saying it's comparable in numbers, but I just saw that...
Sheryl Crow sold her Tesla to protest Elon Musk, and then I'm assuming someone who supports Elon Musk, as she put it, showed up to her property to kill her.
It was some life-threatening situation.
Obviously, she's fine.
But that's why I think that the derangement is spreading to both sides.
tim pool
You guys ready for this?
mary morgan
Am I wrong?
rudyard lynch
I never said it wasn't.
I've said for years that both the right and the left are going to get violent.
mary morgan
So if envy motivates the left, what motivates the right?
rudyard lynch
Disgust.
This is one of my favorite ideas, the seven emotions.
So different societies are powered by different emotion.
tim pool
You guys ready for the next Hammer Drop?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
We'll start with this.
Brian Tyler Cohen, who all he does is make videos about Donald Trump.
David, 196 million views.
David Pakman, 106 million views.
Nothing but Trump videos.
How many views do you think Joe Rogan got on YouTube?
rudyard lynch
200 million.
tim pool
Biggest podcast in the world.
How many views?
Did you say 200?
What do you say, Mary?
mary morgan
I feel like he has more listeners than viewers, so...
I don't know, 300 million?
tim pool
What do you think?
phil labonte
I don't know, I'm gonna go with 250 million.
tim pool
52 million.
phil labonte
That's not many.
tim pool
The biggest podcast in the world is not Joe Rogan.
So we have to figure out what it means to podcast.
Because I can make this argument.
The biggest podcast in the world is Timcast IRL.
Why?
We have the largest live audience for a sit-down, multi-person conversation Monday through Friday.
Steven Crowder's not a podcast.
He does news comedy show.
It's a news comedy show.
It's singular host with a crew and they write comedy and sketches and jokes.
So that would mean that, well, he's out of the running for the top podcast.
Then you have Kai Sinet's number two.
But that's not a podcast.
It's a live stream where he just talks to his audience.
In terms of the traditional podcast of sitting down, we have the largest audience every single night.
Let's all clap for ourselves.
But that's not really true.
That's not really true.
Because we get on YouTube a couple hundred, you know, 250.
On Rumble, we're getting like 250.
It's down from the high season, which is in the winter.
And then on the audio side, we're maybe getting like 100, 200 now.
So we're getting, I don't know, 600, 700,000 a day.
But Joe Rogan gets five, six million per episode.
So he's a bigger podcast, right?
Well, he certainly gets more views than we do.
Let's break down what a podcast is.
It is talking, and some podcasts are 10 minutes, some are 30, some are 40, some are two hours, some are three hours, some are short.
There are top podcasts on Apple that do news, and they're 15 minutes long.
So if we're going to look at what a podcast is in its broadest sense, There's no way Joe Rogan's the biggest.
Brian Tyler Cohen's bigger than Rogan.
mary morgan
On YouTube?
tim pool
Four times bigger on YouTube, for sure.
mary morgan
But then on listening platforms, it would be much different.
tim pool
I'd be willing to bet I can pull up Brian Tyler Cohen podcast ranking, and it's going to be high.
He looks like he's in the top 100.
It's hard to see because they got rid of Chartable.
So it's hard to figure out where he's at.
I will say this.
Based on...
I think Brian Tyler Cohen's probably getting $100,000 to $200,000 per episode.
So I don't know how many episodes he does.
Let's see.
He only does once a week.
So very little there.
Hard to say exactly what Rogan's doing on the podcast side.
I'll just put it this way.
On YouTube, Joe Rogan is tiny compared to the people who only scream Trump.
Like, does that not freak you guys out?
rudyard lynch
So this is assuming the numbers are accurate, where we have some evidence to believe they might not be.
Where, as an example, the Biden administration has added a million jobs on their jobs program, where they said there were a million more jobs for their entire year leading up to the election than there really were.
And that was just a number they made up.
tim pool
But this is different.
This is...
This is tracking the YouTube API through an app to see how many views a channel is getting.
rudyard lynch
Yeah, okay, yeah, you're right.
Apologies.
It's crazy to see where the culture is at.
It just speaks to a complete societal failing.
tim pool
I mean, I'll tell you guys this right now.
When they call people on the right grifters, they are full of...
Because if you make a channel and all you do is insult Trump...
You're getting four times the traffic.
Look, Pac-Man's getting double the traffic of Rogan.
Cohen's getting four times Rogan's traffic.
That's insane.
Insane.
The biggest YouTube podcasts right now are simply Trump is bad no matter what he does.
Nothing else.
No other subject.
phil labonte
Which is ridiculous that that's still the case 10 years into Donald Trump being a political entity.
tim pool
I was talking to the crew about this earlier, about why you get authoritarianism.
The founding fathers were oppressed by the crown.
They were upset that when they tried to assemble and deal with their own governance, the crown wouldn't let them.
Naturally, they constructed a government that addressed such things.
A right to peaceably assemble and bare arms.
Screw you.
You can't stop us.
But the pendulum can swing in another direction.
Right now, you have unfettered speech of individuals, and what do they do?
The most bare-bones, raw, rage-inducing, psychotic garbage.
And it infects people's minds and makes them go insane.
I'm not saying ban them from doing it, but I wonder what the founding fathers would say.
If they looked at this media phenomenon right now and they said, you've got some of the biggest media production, millionaires, men of wealth and merit, these people are making donations, they're advocating for policy, and the only thing they do every day is scream out how much they hate one guy?
I don't think the founding fathers thought that's what was going to happen with free speech.
rudyard lynch
It's funny you say that because the founding fathers and they made America, they were looking back to the pre-existing history of republics.
And they were looking especially to the Greeks and the Romans who had republics earlier.
And the interesting thing and the number one thing the founding fathers were worried about is they had studied Aristotle.
And Aristotle has three different political systems, oligarchy, democracy and monarchy all have their core strengths and weaknesses that lead off based off their greatest strength to their doom and for.
For democracy, they said the failing was equality, and they said that you would start to see equality pop up as an idea and that equality would ultimately kill democracy.
And they said that mob psychology was the number one thing that would destroy democracy.
So they knew about mob psychology because the Greeks and the Romans had enormous issues with mobs in their democracy.
tim pool
There's another potentiality here, which is maybe a bit scarier.
The views that are garnered by these Trump psychos are fake.
rudyard lynch
Yeah.
mary morgan
I'm sure a lot of them are.
tim pool
One of the stories that we have coming up, we covered this story a couple days ago.
It's a segment that's going to be up at some point.
Researchers were using AI chatbots to target individuals on Reddit to build a profile on them and then respond to them in a way that would change their minds and it worked.
So when you look at the views of these prominent individuals, it may be bots for one reason.
When a young guy...
enters politics and he sees that if you go Joe Rogan's route, you get 50 million views.
If you go anti-Trump, you get 100 to 200 million.
Which way?
And so these young guys are like, that's the mainstream.
The argument made a long time ago is that the corporate press exists to convince 80% of the population that the 10% are the popular mainstream ideas.
rudyard lynch
Oh yeah, totally.
You got it statistically right.
Where wokeies are about 10% of the population, and then 60% of the population in game theory terms can be manipulated by the public.
And so, you're right, that's exactly what they're doing.
tim pool
So do you think these views are fake then?
It's dead internet theory?
They're bots?
rudyard lynch
So, it's hard to disentangle between them, because, as an example, almost every major issue the left cares about, they care about...
Because it was a popular issue in mid-20th century Marxism where – and I've spent a lot of time studying the anthropology of the left, so feel free to ask any questions on the topic.
But in the mid-20th century, the Marxists thought the working classes aren't getting us power anymore because the working classes realize that capitalism gets them richer.
So let's pivot.
To ethnic minorities, women, and gay people as demographics where if we pandered to said demographics, we can hold power.
And then what happened is that generations afterwards, the left was incapable of realizing that this was a strategy that the left made up for the express purpose of getting power.
They ate the propaganda.
phil labonte
That's all outlined in Mark Hughes' work.
rudyard lynch
Exactly.
tim pool
I don't think we've blackpilled the audience enough, so we're going to go to this story from Fox Business.
This is, I'm kidding, this is actually a white pill.
Robbie Starbuck says it's too late for Meta to apologize after AI chatbot allegedly defamed him.
Fox, it is not alleged.
Facebook has apologized for it, and Meta AI admits that it did it.
If you pull up Meta AI, it says, yes, Meta AI accused Robbie Starbuck of, here's the story.
About nine months ago, Robbie Starbuck, who's a conservative personality, ran for office.
He's an activist, a speaker, a public figure.
Someone posted an image.
I could be in the story, but I believe it's this.
Posted an image of Meta AI saying that he was arrested on January 6th and imprisoned, pleading guilty.
That is fake news.
Robbie is like, I was not even in D.C. I live in Nashville.
I wasn't there.
That is defamation per se to accuse someone of a crime.
Robbie says he reached out to Facebook saying, or Meta, the parent company, hey guys, fix this and issue a retraction and apology because people are starting to target me believing it's real.
Facebook did nothing.
Over the next nine months, Robbie says it got worse.
More fake images started to appear from Meta, more images from Meta.ai making fake statements about Robbie is what I mean to say, saying that it even got extreme to the point where it said his children should be taken from him.
Because he's a convicted criminal and insurrectionist and all these things.
This is where things get really crazy.
There's so much to break down in how revolutionary this story is going to be.
So Joel Kaplan, I think, I thought I had the tweet pulled up here somewhere, is a, do I have it right here?
Yes.
Joel Kaplan from Facebook says, Robbie, I watched your video.
This is unacceptable.
This is clearly not how our AI should operate.
We're sorry for the results it shared about you and that the fix we put in place didn't address the underlying problem.
I'm working now with our product team to understand how this happened and explore potential solutions.
This is one of the craziest political stories I've ever seen, and it is going to change the game for all of us.
Let me break this down.
Facebook has admitted fault.
Joel Kaplan is not some random guy.
He's chief global affairs officer at Meta.
This is a top officer level position at Meta saying, we're sorry our program did this.
Admission of guilt and fault.
They created a product that defamed Robbie Starbuck.
It's defamation per se.
He's suing for access of five million in damages.
He's also asking for punitive damage as to be determined.
I'm assuming this actually, this next part, because he didn't talk about it.
But the presumption is in the lawsuit, jury will determine punitive damages to be awarded, which estimates could be 1-3% of the value of the company or upwards of 9%, depending on which state you're in.
That's what Robbie told me.
Meaning, he might make himself a billionaire over this lawsuit.
phil labonte
Good for him.
tim pool
The crazy thing about it is that Facebook admitted they defamed him.
I've never seen a defamation case where the defaming accused party says, yes, we did this before it went to court.
They've thrown out the window any opportunity for dismissal, which means they will go to discovery.
This is where it goes.
I'm assuming this because who knows what a judge says.
But based on their admission of guilt, this should get past any motion to dismiss, which I doubt would happen.
It's not going to be settled because now Robbie, with their admission of guilt, can go straight to a jury awarding punitive damages.
If they get discovery, they can look at the training models for Meta's AI.
And the algorithm to determine why it was lying about him.
It may turn out that an individual intentionally injected fake information into the AI.
Here's where I think it gets really interesting.
This means, and it's not just about this lawsuit.
For the longest time, the corporate press has been lying about people like me, lying about people like James O 'Keefe.
I use him as a great example because his Wikipedia is a crazy lie.
And they say you can't sue him because they have Section 230 protections.
Well, hold on now.
Unfortunately for these artificial intelligences, they've absorbed all of the lies from the corporate press and presume it all to be true, which means if you go to ChetGPT or Grok or Meta.ai and you ask it,
tell me about James O 'Keefe, and it pulls in that false information, that company has now defamed you.
Outright, the product did.
That's where it gets interesting, because Wikipedia, you can't sue?
A third party posted it.
Twitter, can't sue Twitter.
Some random guy tweeted that.
But that tweet was absorbed into Grok, and now if Grok lies about you, yes, you can now sue Twitter.
So I think we are going to see something massive here, unless, of course, you get a corrupt judge.
But with all that being said, the next big question, seeing as AI is now in the space, another story to throw in, Is that recently a Tesla was driving down the street, full self-driving, when a man tripped into the road.
The Tesla then immediately veered left and slammed into another car.
Did you guys see this one?
phil labonte
No, I didn't.
tim pool
And this is the moment we've all been waiting for in AI.
The question was, who does the car choose to save?
The pedestrian in the street or the driver of the vehicle?
In this instance, the vehicle chose to crash into another car, potentially killing both the driver of each vehicle.
Because one man fell on the road.
AI is changing everything in terms of fault with cases like this.
So, again, all that being put out there, I know it might be a bit of a hard segue, but I'm wondering, Redyard, what you see with all your predictions and what you've studied in history, how AI will play a role in this.
rudyard lynch
So it's funny you say that, because...
I draw my lines in fields I don't study.
I'm not very good at AI.
I have lots of friends who are vastly better at tech than me.
So I try to have a degree of humility about that.
But the thing with AI that's...
Long story short, I don't think AI is capable of developing its own consciousness.
It would take me too long to explain why.
But then secondarily...
The biggest worry with AI is they basically get rid of all the pre-established jobs.
Where most human activities are not that difficult, then AI can replace them.
And there's been zero examination among the ruling class for what it's going to mean if, I don't know, like a quarter of people's jobs go away.
Because people are already using AI to automate humans out.
It's scary.
tim pool
So I think we do have a correction.
I don't know for sure.
But right now the updated post is saying that actually the female driver took control and hit the car to dodge the man who fell in the street.
So that may be the case.
rudyard lynch
We're still morally superior to the robots.
Please.
phil labonte
It seems like a better option to, I mean, considering the safety record of Teslas, because they are one of the safest cars on the road, it does seem like the better option for the car to say, okay.
We're going at this speed.
I mean, it wasn't traveling at a high rate of speed.
And it's more likely that the person in the car will survive than the person falling in front of the Tesla.
It seems like a reasonable decision.
rudyard lynch
I mean, one of the things I say is how much does blank issue compare to medical malpractice, where people talk about wars in the Middle East, they talk about 9-11, but some vast amount of people are killed every year by medical mispractice.
phil labonte
Third leading cause of death.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
rudyard lynch
And so when someone – how many actual situations will this Tesla AI issue hit where someone could potentially die?
And how many situations furthermore where the human doesn't intervene at the second and say, no, we're not doing that?
tim pool
I think –
One of the reasons we will not see your prediction of the future is because the left is going to plug their brains in in some way or another and just blank out of reality.
So we...
Yo, I'm starting to see more and more on Instagram insanely well-made AI video.
It's getting really crazy.
So we're like a year away from...
I mean, already on ChatGPT you can program video games.
Very rudimentary.
How long until you can actually say, code me a game like The Legend of Zelda?
Right now we're at like Commodore 64 and Atari level games.
How long until it's at NES, SNES, N64?
It's going to be a rapid exponential increase.
I see many of these left and Gen Zers.
Just being like, I don't need a house.
I'm going to live in a bachelor apartment with seven other guys.
Fifty bucks a month.
Sit down, go in VR, do whatever you got to do, and maybe Neuralink, whatever.
rudyard lynch
That society is not going to procreate.
tim pool
Indeed, so there's no war.
rudyard lynch
So, I still think we're going to have a war.
I'm standing by the bet.
I, because...
The violence is ramping up and things like this tend to spool upwards where I think we've hit critical tension.
I hope you're correct.
I hope that...
The left just gives up.
But also the left has been perfectly willing to kill their entire civilization in exchange for not—yes.
phil labonte
And currently the left are the ones that are—not only are they ramping up, but they're the ones that are pushing forward the violent rhetoric.
rudyard lynch
Yes.
phil labonte
You're not hearing any of the leaders try to talk the regular people down.
They've lionized Luigi Mangione and people like that.
So I completely understand or completely agree with your point.
It is the left that's kind of ramping all this stuff up, you know?
But go ahead.
rudyard lynch
Oh, I was just in agreement.
It's...
I think...
I mean, I'm going to keep comparing it to the French Revolution, where once you get to the end of it, you know what it is, but you know the people of this part of the journey, they hadn't realized what was going on.
And...
The other thing is that even if there isn't a war in America, I think there has to be a war around the world where the tensions we talk about in America, I have a hobby, I watch documentaries from around the world, and you look at South Korea, you look at Australia, you look at France,
you look at Canada, China, every country in the world is talking about the same crises.
Those crises being...
Housing costs, not enough jobs, crisis in mating, crisis in meaning, crisis in just people, lack of will to live.
And it's just, it's constant around the world.
And you'll see it the worst so even in places like China that are completely different civilizations.
It's heartbreaking to see the stories that come out of China now.
tim pool
Like what?
rudyard lynch
Oh, it's just insane.
Where you hear, like, China's...
Gone full totalitarian mode.
And it'll take me a while to explain what all of that entails.
But there's a two million gap in the amount of cremations vis-a-vis the deaths accounted for.
So two million more cremations for causes of death that are basically unmarked.
tim pool
What does that mean?
rudyard lynch
So from the Chinese records...
So with deaths, cremations, they burn the body.
They're burning 2 million more bodies than they're statistically accredited for.
tim pool
So then where are those bodies?
Are you suggesting that they're killing off their own people?
They're mass-executing people?
unidentified
They did that before.
rudyard lynch
They killed 40 million people within living memory.
It was the bloodiest atrocity in history.
And they're probably doing it to the Uyghurs.
They're probably doing it to their own people.
They were starving Shanghai for months because another Communist Party clique was there.
They've gone full totalitarian.
They teach warfare among the elementary school students.
And this stuff sounds crazy, but this is what totalitarian regimes always do.
And when Hitler and Stalin were killing people and Mao were killing people, we had no idea.
phil labonte
Wow.
rudyard lynch
I check China more than I check America, and every single time I check China, it's worse.
tim pool
Sounds kind of like whatever does happen after the dust settles, it's going to be probably Catholic conservatives.
That are going to be left standing in the United States, and that's because of their high birth rates relative to any other faction, or you could argue that some areas might be Muslim.
But because there's more Catholics in the U.S. than Muslims, I'd estimate that if there is a great catastrophe, if this fourth generation—I'm sorry, the fourth turning happens, and within the next 10 or 15 years there's a war or whatever, Catholics, I believe, are at like 2.3 fertility rate.
rudyard lynch
There's a— I'm sorry to cut you off, but there's a sci-fi novel called Fitzpatrick's War, and I have basically made this book.
It's so expensive you can't buy it, because there were a few copies that it was published in the 90s, but it has a fascinating...
It has a fascinating story of the future that's set in the 25th century.
And in its backstory, the world's population crashes from 11 billion to 1 billion over the course of the 21st century.
And America has a multi-step, multi-decade civil war where the left basically devolves into inner-city criminal organizations.
And the right...
It becomes taken up by these intentional communities of conservatives who move out to the countryside to avoid the city's degeneracy.
Then what happens is that these rural people form a new nationality called the Yukons.
The Yukons build the new American Republic on the ruins of the destroyed America.
The Muslims populate Europe, the Chinese populate East Asia, and the population collapse occurs due to a combination of birth rate crash, genetically engineered diseases, war, and supply chain issues.
phil labonte
That sounds awesome.
tim pool
Have you guys read or seen A Handmaid's Tale?
rudyard lynch
I have.
It's a good book.
tim pool
So, I've not...
I tried watching the show a little bit, but I didn't care.
I didn't read it.
But what I've heard a lot from feminists, and I'm not sure this accurately portrays the book, is that it's basically women are forced to have babies for their country.
But my understanding is that the story is about a post-apocalyptic America and a collapsing birth rate and humans facing extinction.
rudyard lynch
So, the book is really good.
The TV show's not, which is sad.
And it's about—it was written in the 90s, and it's about a world where, due to— Some failing of industrial chemical processing, the vast majority of women are infertile.
And so in order to solve the population crisis, religious conservatives launch a coup, and then they basically force women into sex slavery.
And so that's the thesis where the main character, the handmaid, she is one of the polygamous wives of the ruling, of one of the ruling nobility of this state called Gilead.
It's based in the suburbs of Boston.
tim pool
So I was just thinking about that because I'm like...
If humanity was facing extinction, I mean, what...
Obviously, if the story's gonna get into, like, these guys are corrupt and they're evil, I'm not talking about that.
If society is facing extinction, would you not need to have women have babies?
rudyard lynch
You posit a trick question.
tim pool
That's an honest question.
rudyard lynch
It's, um...
So...
You...
You look at the events...
mary morgan
At that point, you wouldn't need to force anyone to have...
Babies.
tim pool
I disagree.
Look at the show The Last of Us.
Have you seen it?
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Are you watching season two?
mary morgan
No.
tim pool
It's the apocalypse and there's like a bunch of lesbians and gay people all over the place.
unidentified
Well, that's because it's a TV show written by people.
tim pool
But this is the worldview those people have.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's why they hate A Handmaid's Tale.
And that's why The Last of Us is like, in the apocalypse, you're not going to procreate for children.
phil labonte
They don't hate The Handmaid's Tale.
They secretly love The Handmaid's Tale in the same way that they love Fifty Shades of Grey.
rudyard lynch
The Catgirl Kulak take.
phil labonte
But it's true.
I can't say that it's true.
But it does seem likely that the reason that they're so obsessed with it is because they all secretly desire to be The Handmaiden.
tim pool
So looking at behavioral sync, And, you know, the Rat Utopia experiment I'm sure you're familiar with?
rudyard lynch
Yes.
tim pool
They couldn't correct those behaviors in the rats.
I'm pretty sure that if you took, like, New York, the average New Yorker, and society collapsed, they would still not want to have kids.
It's not going to change.
mary morgan
He said, as the pattern goes, when a society becomes wealthy, or I don't know what level of wealth that would be, people stop having children, is the only solution for...
our country to just plummet into poverty?
Is that the solution to bring the birth rate back up?
rudyard lynch
Um...
That's a good question.
So if you look at the previous civilizational collapses, it's barbarians and religious people tend to be the ones who procreate.
That was the fall of Rome.
That was the fall of Islam.
It's most empires.
It's the whole hard men Make soft times.
Soft times make soft men, which make bad times.
And then the cycle restarts.
tim pool
You know, interestingly, we've already built artificial womb incubators.
rudyard lynch
That's going to be a disaster.
Kids need their mom.
I'm sorry to cut you off.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Hold on.
Because you are correct.
But what I'm saying is we've grown – I think they grew a lamb in a bag.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, if society collapsed and fertility was collapsing, then – You wouldn't need to take the country over and force them to do anything.
They would just replace the women with bags.
phil labonte
It's not good, but it's true.
mary morgan
Then all the babies would be effed up.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
But humans wouldn't be extinct.
rudyard lynch
I mean, my...
tim pool
It's called an extra uterine system.
Wow, that's crazy.
phil labonte
They're already effed up.
rudyard lynch
I mean, look at the Romanian kids, where they did a program like that in Romania, and all of the kids just became completely dysfunctional as adults.
I mean, what's going to happen is that...
phil labonte
Gen Z backs the use of artificial wounds.
Great.
mary morgan
Oh, great.
rudyard lynch
The psyoped ones.
unidentified
So...
rudyard lynch
Life is a natural equilibrium, and one of the things modern people struggle with is the universe is a responsive system so that when something goes bad, the public moves in another direction.
And so the people who have children, their children will furthermore have children, and it will create cultural norms where the culture is a responsive system that will adjust as things get bad.
mary morgan
So you think it's just a problem that over time solves itself and we don't need to plummet into poverty for this?
rudyard lynch
The world's ended 20 times before in history.
The story keeps going.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
mary morgan
So poverty isn't the solution.
It's just time.
rudyard lynch
If we're...
We could avoid poverty if we played our cards well, because if you have a free market economy and you have property rights, you're probably not going to be poor.
Poverty is mostly an outgrowth of certain economic incentive structures.
The thing with the fall of Rome as well is that after Rome fell, the average height and quality of life for the average person outside Italy went up, because Rome was a predatory system that took from the empire to feed Italy.
tim pool
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We're now going to grab your guys' Super Chats and Rumble Rants.
Shay H. Wilder says four Democrats have withdrawn their co-sponsorship of Sri Tenedar's impeachment push.
You gotta love it.
I guess I'll just have to go back to yelling Deplane Deplane at Ricardo Montalban.
I loved him in that movie.
phil labonte
He looks just like him.
All right.
tim pool
Catachrome says, Signal is insanely secure.
The military uses it all the time.
I do want to make one clarification, just because it's three-tenant-art thing.
I tweeted out about the Piers Morgan show.
I wasn't tweeting that out to have any beef with them.
I wasn't mad.
So here's what happened.
They invited us on the show.
They often do.
Sometimes we can make it, sometimes we can't.
I think Piers does a pretty good job on these panels.
Sometimes, I had one with Brianna Joy Gray that was very calm and rational.
It was a good conversation.
He invited me on and gave me the opportunity to actually confront Sri Tanadar, and I'm tremendously appreciative of that.
It was amazing.
He asked to join this panel with Cenk Uygur, Carrie Lake, Bacha Unger-Sargon, and the congressman who's impeaching Trump, and I got to give him some choice words.
However, what happened was, towards the end of the show, on our end, what we saw was we were kicked out of the room.
All audio dropped on our end, and...
The video link player that connects us to their studio just showed their production backend, their name.
We could no longer see anybody.
And so I'm sitting here confused, like, are we booted?
And then Kel and the producer was like, I have no idea.
He then mutes me because he's like, I don't know if this is going through or not.
I said, I don't know if they kicked us out of the room or if we're going to get brought in.
After a few minutes, I just said, okay, I guess we're out.
And I closed it out.
Apparently, I didn't know this, but we were still feeding into their system.
They just stopped feeding to us.
It wasn't an issue of our internet.
And so on their end, it looked like we got cut off.
So then someone told me that they were saying we had technical difficulties.
I was like, no, we didn't.
They booted us from the production room for whatever reason.
They had a difficulty.
I don't know.
I'm not mad at them.
And so I tweeted out, we didn't have any technical difficulties.
We have multiple internet redundancies.
We were still feeding to their show.
They booted us from the room somehow, and we couldn't reconnect.
That was not me saying they did anything wrong.
But I guess, you know, Mary pointed out, sounds like drama.
So it got a thousand retweets.
And I was like, I was trying to clarify that we didn't have an issue.
We just, it was like, I assume we got accidentally bumped from the room.
I don't want anybody to think that I got beef with peers.
There's no drama.
I'm grateful he had me on the show.
I thought it was a fun show.
I look forward to doing the show again.
And I think it was informative, entertaining.
And I think it may be a contributing factor to why Shri Tanadar is losing support for his impeachment push.
Not because of me, because of Carrie Lake.
Saying, who are you even?
And Cenk Uygur laughing at him saying, this is like, he was basically like, you're going to get Republicans back.
This is stupid.
You're wasting our time.
And I was just laughing, being like, bipartisan support against the impeachment guy.
But I just want to make that clear because, you know, I don't want people to think that I got beef or that Piers did anything wrong.
I think it was just a technical error on their end.
I don't know.
And that's why you could still see me.
But let's get some more Super Chats.
Quantum Strange Quark says, Tim, please try to get Doug Tennape?
Is that what it says?
Tenapal?
Doug in exile on the show.
He's the creator of the Earthworm Jim comic, and YouTube just restored multiple channels for him and apologized for banning him.
Why'd they ban him?
phil labonte
Probably something stupid.
tim pool
Yeah.
Millennial Mama says, My truck driver husband saw your billboard in Indy yesterday.
Well done, good sir.
It's nice to see someone doing stuff like this.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, we've got billboards all over the Rust Belt.
Interesting.
I like the Rust Belt the best, probably because I'm from there.
But I do think you're going to find these areas probably will resonate with the show that we have.
They're not staunch conservatives, but they don't like where the Democrats are going.
The Democrats are supporting rich people and not the working class.
So our best areas, demographically, tend to be like Chicago and Indiana, Ohio and stuff.
rudyard lynch
I'm just going to cut you off.
I started watching you when I was a teenager in the Rust Belt.
And yeah, I agree with that branding.
This show fits that area.
tim pool
Well, that's where I'm from.
So we looked at Miami, and I was like, I don't think that's a good idea.
Miami is not the place for a show like this.
phil labonte
You have to have the billboards in Spanish.
tim pool
I don't know.
You know, everybody was saying just get one up there, but we are in Nashville.
We're in downtown Nashville.
I think that makes sense.
phil labonte
I mean, look, I'm a fan of Florida, but...
tim pool
It's just, you know, dating shows.
If you've got a dating podcast, Miami Billboard's a winner.
rudyard lynch
I'm sorry to cut you off again, but I heard you had Myron as a guy yesterday.
I think Fresh and Fit's a good show.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Myron, you know, he's a controversial guy.
But when he comes on and he talks about the law enforcement stuff, he nails it.
phil labonte
And even when he's talking about the stuff that's fairly controversial, he is nice.
tim pool
Wow, nah, he was not nice on X for a while, but he's chilled out.
phil labonte
I mean, nice with us.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, I know.
phil labonte
He's polite, and he doesn't, you know, it's not, he's not spurring out or anything.
He'll make his arguments.
He'll disagree.
Myron and I had a couple disagreements last night, and he was totally cool about it, and he's, you know.
mary morgan
No weird green room behavior.
phil labonte
No weird green room.
mary morgan
No weird handshake.
tim pool
Spicy.
phil labonte
None.
tim pool
None at all.
phil labonte
None at all.
tim pool
No, but, like, talking immigration, because he did...
Federal law enforcement stuff with ICE?
That's a great conversation.
But I got a lot of people don't like him because of his...
phil labonte
The jewels!
tim pool
Yeah, well, because he...
It's because he's...
phil labonte
He said he doesn't do this anymore, but it's because he's mean to people mercilessly on X. Well, that was a debate that we had last time he was on about whether or not he believes that free speech needs to include being able to insult people.
And I was like, well, then you should say that free speech should include porn then.
And he's like, well, no, it's not free speech.
And I'm like, well, then maybe it shouldn't include insulting people.
Because you can make your arguments in a...
You know, in a clear way that's not insulting people and still make controversial arguments.
But he's like, well, you know, I should be able to say blah, blah, blah.
And he is definitely a bomb thrower on Twitter and on his own.
tim pool
Let's grab some more chats.
We got Tim Pohl, the Pokemon, not me, says Trump is immune from any criticism.
All he has to do when confronted on any topic is turn to the camera and say, but Obama killed two American citizens without trial.
It was more than two.
rudyard lynch
Damn.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it was more than two.
Let's get the hard numbers.
How many Americans did Obama kill?
I thought it was like four or five.
It's at least two.
Anwar Al-Awlaki and Abdul Rahman.
Let's see.
ChatGPT.
During President Barack Obama's admins, that's all it said, four American citizens.
Yeah, Obama killed four American citizens.
phil labonte
Without due process.
tim pool
And ChatGPT is really not wanting to give me this information.
phil labonte
Shame on you, Barack.
tim pool
Of these, only Anwar was specifically targeted.
Samir Khan, an American citizen and editor of Al-Qaeda's English-language magazine Inspire, was killed alongside al-Awlaki.
Really?
I should have known that.
Abdul Rahman, we know, 16-year-old, killed two weeks later in a separate drone strike in Yemen.
He was not the intended target.
That's a lie.
I don't believe these people for two seconds.
Jude Kanan Mohammed.
American citizen indicted on terror charges killed in a drone strike in Pakistan.
They say he was not specifically targeted.
So Obama killed four American citizens without charge or trial.
If I was Trump and anybody criticized, you know, Mr. President, you are deporting people, I'd be like, were you, did you do a report on Barack Obama murdering four Americans?
And they're like, well, that was a long time ago.
No, no, no, no, no.
Can I pull it up?
Can I read your website where you talked about that?
Is that on ABC?
Can I look it up?
No, it's not there.
Spare me.
Your criticisms mean nothing.
phil labonte
He should just be like, well, should I drone strike all the illegal immigrants?
tim pool
Remember Hillary?
About Julian Assange?
Can't we just drone this guy?
And they're like, ma 'am, he's in London.
And she was like, and?
I'm kidding.
She didn't say that.
I wish she did that one.
phil labonte
Nowadays, with the Ginsu Hellfire, you could actually do that.
tim pool
Let's go.
What else do we got?
Nuke Jukum says, Tucker Carlson already said the NSA could read his signal messages when they leaked his plans for the Putin interview.
I mean, yeah.
Spartan Megan says, Tim, everything I've read about expedited removal only pertains to those here two years or less.
What should we do for those who have been here longer?
unidentified
Ow!
tim pool
My point on expedited removal is when the people come here and you're like, you are not here legally, you gotta go.
You gotta go.
My point is due process for these people is not a jury trial.
The people who've been here longer, it's...
You know, I don't see why it would be any different.
You gotta go.
Goodbye.
It's Rev says, Tim, call Alex Jones.
It is time.
What is that?
We haven't had him on the show in a long time?
You know what we should do?
We gotta have him at a culture war live.
phil labonte
Definitely.
tim pool
Yeah, he's a busy guy, though.
So it's hard to tell anybody who's got a show, hey, fly to D.C. and do this show, you know what I mean?
But this Saturday, Culture War Live is going to be epic.
It's probably going to be a chaotic mess, but that's why we asked Alex Stein to show up.
That way, if it is a chaotic mess, we can just be like, that was always intended.
That's why Alex's here.
You know, so we can pretend like we were doing it on purpose.
You know, we'll figure it out.
What have we here?
Shedox says, a few weeks ago they ran a story.
That Cash had been fired.
No one noticed because it was BS.
Did they really?
phil labonte
That's hilarious.
rudyard lynch
Oh, I heard about that, yeah.
tim pool
Really?
rudyard lynch
Yeah.
phil labonte
At least with Waltz, there was some kind of backstory of like, oh, they're upset about the signal gate, etc.
tim pool
Wait, was this because of the ATF thing?
rudyard lynch
Oh, you're asking me?
I don't remember.
I just remember what happened.
tim pool
Because...
When I looked up Cachepetel fired, it says removed as acting chief of the ATF, and they put someone else in.
I wonder if that's why people thought he was getting fired.
phil labonte
I don't know.
They could be.
tim pool
Because that was a couple weeks ago.
unidentified
Alright, what do we got here?
tim pool
St. Miles says, Cachepetel even said Robbie should get $100 million.
Really?
Pinochet says, sorry, Tim, if you think Robbie will get a jury of his peers and not his enemies in Blue Delaware, if he even gets a trial, I have a unicorn to sell you.
Our courts are political star chambers.
Indeed.
phil labonte
I mean, that's true.
tim pool
But I'll tell you this.
I mean, if it were me and Facebook admitted it, I'd say, Facebook, you're worth a trillion dollars.
Give me a hundred million.
rudyard lynch
Zuck is going based, though.
unidentified
No, he's not.
rudyard lynch
At least that's what appears on the outside.
tim pool
He's lying.
rudyard lynch
I agree with that.
But it's nice that you sometimes get the political signaling.
Because Zuck, you know he's not an authentic conservative.
The fact that he's going in this direction means the left is not doing well.
tim pool
It does signal that his sociopathic tendencies targeting conservatism means he believes conservatives are the right side of history at this point.
rudyard lynch
You're right.
tim pool
Yeah.
We reached out to his team and asked him to come on the show, and they said at this point we would politely decline.
Yet he's doing the podcast circuit and he's going on shows where no one will challenge him.
Indeed.
That's what liberals do.
Conservatives beg to go on any show so they can...
It's funny, like, you watch Mike Lindell go on Jimmy Kimmel and you're like, Mike, what are you doing?
He's making fun of you.
And Mike's like, I want to go there and talk.
I want the opportunity to speak to these people.
It's like, okay.
mary morgan
Do you think Joe Rogan didn't challenge Zuckerberg?
tim pool
Absolutely.
Absolutely Joe Rogan did not challenge Zuckerberg.
mary morgan
I only saw clips, so I didn't...
tim pool
And I don't mean that disrespectfully.
I've got no issue with Joe Rogan not knowing about the Twitter issue with Jack Dorsey when that happened.
And I am eternally grateful that he invited me on for that show.
It was crazy.
I mean, who am I?
Joe Rogan, the biggest podcast in the world was like, Tim, come in here and debate Jack Dorsey.
I actually told him I was like, you're nuts.
I was like, bro, you're kicking...
I literally said this.
You're kicking the baby bird out of the nest making me debate this guy.
I mean, I'll do it.
I can't say no.
And he's like, oh, you're good, man.
Just come on the show and we'll do it.
Joe Rogan.
Has Zuckerberg on his show?
Zuckerberg did a bunch of things that they were not challenged on.
Going back to 2016, when he had staff that were deleting conservative news stories, you had the backdoor that was run by the feds where they could log in.
I mean, let me pull this up.
Facebook, backdoor, feds, intercept.
This is the one thing I really wish that he brought up.
Secret program gives NSA FBI backdoor access.
No, that's Apple.
Let me find it.
It was an intercept story, I'm pretty sure.
Google's not loading the intercept.
I'd have to pull this up at a later date.
Many of you may remember the story that Twitter and Facebook both were allowing backdoors for the government to log into the flag content they wanted removed.
Did Facebook give the government...
Excess.
rudyard lynch
Oh, they did.
Totally.
tim pool
They did.
I just want to find the story specifically because I believe it was the Intercept that reported it.
rudyard lynch
This is one of the...
phil labonte
It was in the Twitter files, too.
Taylor was talking about it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Man, ChatTPT is so slow and awful.
ChatTPT just says, yes, they absolutely did.
They did a bunch.
It happens all the time.
They do it all the time.
My specific issue was that Zuckerberg's going like, you know, we made a mistake with the story on Hunter Biden and we shouldn't have done it.
And the government was calling us and telling these things.
And if I was there, I would have said, what about the story from The Intercept that said that you actually built, you coded a backdoor for the federal government to log in and flag content you wanted removed?
I mean, that's tremendous.
And I think the issue largely is that this is not Joe's domain, and I don't mean it to be a dick.
Joe's a comedian who talks about issues that he thinks are important with people he finds interesting, and that's why he has the best show.
This is why Zuckerberg won't go on other shows.
He went on Theo Vaughn because, once again, it's a comedian who's going to give him a big platform to pretend like he's being based or moderate or whatever, and he's not.
But he's being cringed the whole time.
I really want to pull this story up, though, but this always happens because they bury it.
Pretty sure it was The Intercept.
Whoops, that's the wrong one.
That was Cash Patel.
What is this one?
Intercept.
Leaked documents outline DHS's plans to police disinformation.
That's funny, too.
But that's an aside.
Anyway.
Well, we covered the story a million and one times, so I guess I'll just define the story.
phil labonte
The Verge has it.
The secret program gives NSA FBI backdoor to access to Apple, Google, Facebook.
tim pool
It says Facebook?
phil labonte
Yeah.
You want the...
tim pool
Oh, okay.
No, that's fine.
I mean, the story exists.
Everybody knows you can Google it.
I'm not going to say it for 20 years.
Nicholas Williams says Asmongold is bigger than Hasan.
Yeah, I noticed he wasn't on that streamer tracker.
Where does he stream?
phil labonte
He streams on Twitch, if I understand.
Really?
I think it's Twitch.
It might be...
tim pool
Why isn't he coming up on the charts?
phil labonte
I don't know.
rudyard lynch
It's, as you said, it depends on how you want to measure it.
I'm sure in some charts, Asmongold's the biggest.
I'm sure in others, Hasan's bigger.
Depends what metric you're pulling from.
tim pool
I know that he's got a big show, so he should be on this list very easily.
Unless he didn't stream this one day, maybe.
Maybe I should look...
Oh, I should look at a different day.
Now we can see where Asmongold ranks.
unidentified
He was off for like a week.
tim pool
He was off for the week?
unidentified
He took a week off, yeah.
tim pool
Ah, that explains it.
So let's just go back in time.
Oh, let's see.
I'm still not seeing him on this thing.
Dr. Disrespect.
Yeah, I don't see him.
It's the Rubin Report.
Tucker Carlson, Jinxie, Pat McAfee, Steven Crowder.
I don't know.
I'll look into it later.
Heisenberg says Sam Harris is better for sleep.
Yeah, but at least Lex Fridman's show actually has information in it.
rudyard lynch
Sam Harris is just a regime propagandist.
Like, he'll believe whatever the regime tells him to.
tim pool
Right.
Yeah, he's bad.
phil labonte
He was interesting prior to Trump.
But once Trump became an entity, there's no use for him at all.
rudyard lynch
New atheism was cannibalized...
unidentified
Ooh!
tim pool
No, keep going.
rudyard lynch
Oh, new atheism was one of the first things to get cannibalized by the left.
The whole elevator gate.
phil labonte
Atheism plus, yes.
And atheism plus, that kind of...
mary morgan
Wait, what's elevator gate?
rudyard lynch
New atheism was this...
uh, relatively popular movement.
Are you aware of it?
Yeah. Okay, great.
So for the audience, new atheism was popular like 15 years ago.
And, uh, the thing that destroyed the new atheist movement was a guy asked a girl out on a date in an elevator and he was not a particularly good looking guy.
And then, um,
And then she made a big deal out of it, and then it caused a huge issue inside the new atheist community about whether or not that was acceptable.
mary morgan
Who is this guy?
rudyard lynch
I forget.
He's not an important—he was not a historic figure.
And so this tore apart new atheism, which had a lot of leftist components.
So after that, all of new atheism served the left's interests, and it stopped actually being its own movement about— Doing things.
mary morgan
So it's like the elevator has the implication.
rudyard lynch
It's just a funny word.
People say gate attached to anything.
tim pool
Yep.
mary morgan
But if you ask a girl out in an elevator, there's like the implication.
Oh, yes.
rudyard lynch
Exactly.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
All right.
Lima Guy says, Tim, I'm a boomer.
I'm way out of your demographics.
You are correct.
When we're gone, it's going to be a cluster.
Oh, yeah.
I'm glad my parents are gone.
I don't want them to see this ish show.
It's wild.
You know what's crazy?
I'm going to be 40 in one year.
I am 39 years old.
It's kind of crazy how, like, how much...
It's been 10 years of this deranged, psychotic reality.
That's kind of the point, I guess.
Never would have thought this is where we'd be.
Entrenched in this psychotic, insane landmine of...
I don't know, man.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Tim, breaking points is like 90% Trump these days.
I pulled it up.
It's not, at least not right now.
Did I close that out?
No, I'll give credit to breaking points.
I think crystal ball has gone off the deep end, but you've got Trump, then you've got tech CEO, then you've got Pritzker, then you've got Rubio, but Trump's in the thumbnail, then you've got Elon, then you've got Trump, then you've got African journalists as USAID is bad,
Zionists, US Jet Falls, then you've got Trump, then you've got MAGA influencers, I think.
I don't think they're as deranged.
There's a lot of Trump in here, but Trump is the president.
So that's what I was saying the other day, too.
Like, we obviously have a large amount of content that's Trump, too.
He's the president.
It's fine if you're talking about what the president is doing, but every single video, and it's always bad?
phil labonte
Jeez.
rudyard lynch
It's sad if you read what Marxists wrote 50 years ago, because they were so much smarter back in the day.
They had their whole theory of history with the dialectic, and you go from the slave state to the feudal state to the capitalist state.
And to see them fallen this far, Daddy Marx would not be proud.
Daddy Marx does not want Hassan to have a Gucci bag.
He wants them to study the dialectic.
phil labonte
Ask Hassan how much he paid for his dog.
rudyard lynch
much?
mary morgan
Some kind of designer.
phil labonte
Multiple thousands of dollars, yeah.
tim pool
couple more chats.
We got enough time for maybe one more.
All right, Jacob Jones says, Tim, your guest is giving out back-to-back black pills, but then sprinkles.
in those hopeful white pills and somehow I'm just accepting this with enthusiasm because I like the guest's perspective.
rudyard lynch
You will conquer.
We will win.
We will destroy our enemies and survive.
This is a mere momentary moment of terror in which we will later conquer.
This is but a moment.
tim pool
Whoa. Zavik says, according to JGPT, the Amish have a 6.2 birth rate followed by the LDS Church at 3.4.
The leaders of the LDS Church
Wow!
Well, alright, it's going to be an interesting feature, my friends.
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unidentified
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Roger, do you want to shout anything out?
rudyard lynch
Just check me out at my two channels, What If I'll Test and History 102.
Thank you so much for having me, Tim.
tim pool
Right on.
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tim pool
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Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thank you.
you.
catherine austin-fitts
One of the things I've looked at in the process of looking at where all this money is going is the underground base and city infrastructure and transportation system that's been built.
unidentified
I'm sorry?
catherine austin-fitts
Yes.
So we have built an extraordinary number of underground bases and supposedly transportation systems.
Some of these are documented as part of the national security infrastructure.
I think there are many more.
tim pool
In the United States?
catherine austin-fitts
In the United States.
All over the world.
tim pool
They estimate 170.
They're called deep underground military bases.
And they've been speculated at for a very long time that they're actually living city infrastructure underground.
mary morgan
And what, light rail between them?
phil labonte
Yep.
mary morgan
Pete Buttigieg is all over this.
tim pool
I honestly think it's true.
I think it's real.
phil labonte
Yeah.
mary morgan
People say that the tunnels in D.C. are a secret.
Those are the ones we're allowed to know about.
tim pool
Because they can't keep it a secret that they have escape routes for the president and the White House.
But, look, man, the U.S. government's got a lot of money and a lot of time.
phil labonte
They make the money.
tim pool
They're going to build a whole bunch of crazy-ass shit.
And they're going to go live in their deep underground bunkers.
mary morgan
So, which billionaires have talked about their bunkers?
tim pool
Most of them.
mary morgan
They'd be wise not to.
phil labonte
Zuckerberg.
mary morgan
Zuck has talked about his bunker.
Did he say where it is?
phil labonte
In Hawaii.
Which is a terrible idea.
mary morgan
If that's your real bunker, why would you tell anyone?
That makes me think it's a decoy, and there's a real one somewhere else.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know.
mary morgan
And then what about...
tim pool
What is this?
phil labonte
It's a terrible idea.
tim pool
Isaiah 219.
And people shall enter the caves of the rocks and the holes of the ground.
From before the terror of the Lord, Well...
So as the powerful elites and the kings start building deep underground bunkers, does this mean that the end of days is near?
phil labonte
Well, no, maybe, but...
People have always thought the end of days were going to happen in their time.
It's been like since a decade after Christ died, they were like, oh, these are the end of days.
And people have always assumed that.
So I don't know that it's actually more likely that it's going to be now.
But at the same time, you know, they're building underground bunkers.
I don't know.
Go ahead.
rudyard lynch
Oh, the Book of Revelation, it's unclear if they wanted to have it put in the Bible originally, where there were a series of religious debates at the time where it only barely got through.
And so people have been interpreting the Book of Revelation for thousands of years, and the world has yet to have ended.
There are multiple crises, but it keeps going.
Life always finds a way.
phil labonte
What do you think, Mary?
Do you think the...
End times are nigh?
mary morgan
How nigh are you talking about, though?
Depends how nigh we're talking.
phil labonte
In the next 50 years?
In your lifetime?
mary morgan
No.
phil labonte
No?
mary morgan
I guess if I had to guess, my great-grandchildren will live through it.
That's what I think.
tim pool
How old are you?
23. Do you think that politically things are happening?
rudyard lynch
Yes.
phil labonte
So you're not among...
mary morgan
Okay, there's allegedly this developmental disability in Gen Z where they think that nothing ever happens.
I have no idea about it.
tim pool
Yeah, what I mean by that is, for me, as a millennial growing up in an actual period where little was happening, the 90s largely, I know stuff happened, you know?
I don't know, what was there, like Kosovo and shit?
And the Gulf, the first Gulf War?
unidentified
But...
tim pool
For a long period, it was like a lot of nothing until the 2000s when the Gore-Bush stuff happened.
But Gen Z has been entrenched their whole lives in just crazy shit happening all the time, relatively.
mary morgan
That's what it is.
tim pool
Yeah, you're like, nothing's happening.
mary morgan
It's desensitization over time.
And even when something objectively happens, it never feels like anything is happening.
I guess the only time I felt like something was happening was the lockdown.
tim pool
What about Jan 6?
phil labonte
That was not anything.
Nothing was happening.
tim pool
Bro, Jan 6 was fucking crazy on the day of.
It was one of the biggest shows we've ever had because the news reports that were coming out on January 6 were fucking insane.
Tear gas fired off in the rotunda.
mary morgan
What became of it was crazy, but I feel like even at the time I knew that it was being misrepresented.
tim pool
Dude, day of January 6th, I'm sitting in, you know, the castle, working on news, and when this stuff is trickling in, and you only have partial information, it's fucking insane.
I remember when all these big tweets were posting in caps, tear gas fired in the rotunda.
Fucking Elijah Schaefer was tweeting, the revolutionaries have breached the Capitol, they're storming this room, and he's talking constantly about revolutionaries.
Photos are coming up of people going through emails on computers.
Dude, this day was crazy.
Videos popped up saying they've breached the doors.
And then a video pops up where the door comes open and people start walking in.
After the fact, with all is said and done, we're like, oh, largely people rummaged through things.
Most people did nothing.
Yeah, we're kind of over it.
But that day, when it was like, was it one something?
Tweets started popping up in all caps.
Rioters have just breached the Capitol.
It's like, holy fuck, what?
And then like...
The videos that were coming from people I knew on social media where you can see cops fighting people, you had no idea what the end result was going to be.
Now we look back on it and say, nothing ended up happening.
At the time, though, when you get word that riders have breached the Capitol, it's a holy fuck moment.
And then when you hear police are firing tear gas in the Capitol rotunda, it's like, holy fuck!
phil labonte
Did you have a sense that it might be possible that Joe Biden would not be the president?
On January 6th?
When that was going down, did you think that this might mean...
tim pool
It was a non-zero chance.
phil labonte
Really?
tim pool
Yes, because the Trump admin had been lining this up that they were going to challenge the electoral votes from states that were in dispute and send them back pending adjudication.
But Mike Pence said no.
Mike Pence was supposed to be like, look, Pennsylvania is an adjudication, so I can't count this vote.
There's pending lawsuits.
But instead he goes, I didn't get involved.
Fuck that.
phil labonte
Yeah, it was my sense that it was...
tim pool
48 states were suing each other.
phil labonte
Yeah, but I understand that.
But it was still my sense that there wasn't anything that was going to prevent...
Joe Biden from being certified.
I really didn't think...
tim pool
On January 6th?
phil labonte
Yeah, I didn't think anything was going to...
tim pool
I think based on all of the news we had after the election in 2020, what with the lawsuits and the electoral challenges, there was no certainty that was the case.
phil labonte
Yeah, I didn't...
tim pool
Although I'm fairly certain I said he most likely is going to be the president and we're not going to get Trump to overturn anything, there still is the possibility these lawsuits go through.
And I had done numerous stories talking about the legal challenge they were presenting up until January 6th.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
But then you hear that there's a thousand people at the front of the Capitol fighting cops, tear gases being fired off, and they're like storming their way in.
Pictures of people climbing the walls.
We did not know where that was going to go.
phil labonte
I mean, I was live tweeting the whole thing.
I was shitposting my way through the revolution, but I genuinely didn't think that there was anything that was going to come of it.
I was like, the establishment is going to make sure that Joe Biden actually gets the...
Sure, sure.
tim pool
That's not the point.
The point is that the reason why live streams of riots do so well, but videos of riots don't...
It's because people are sitting there not knowing how this will turn out and you get an anxiety from it.
So yeah, January 6th was a fucking happening for sure.
It just turned out to be a riot that resulted in very little.
They cleared it and everyone wandered off.
But that day, who knows?
We've never seen that before.
That was freaky.
Sorry, real quick.
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