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Democrats Run INSANE Hitler HOAX As Forecasts Say Trump 2024 WIN w/Brandon Buckingham | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Thank you.
OBS not working, huh?
unidentified
What's the delay?
tim pool
Well, no, no, no, the Stream Deck doesn't work.
Welcome to the show, everybody!
Yeah, we're having Stream Deck problems, but it's cool because we're here.
And we got fancy news for yous.
October Surprise, I guess, they're running this hoax.
Kamala Harris comes out, gives a press conference where she's like, Donald Trump says he wants generals like Hitler.
Yeah, the only thing is, it's anonymous sources.
The conversation allegedly happened a long time ago, and no one believes it actually happened.
The story is largely debunked by people who are in and around this.
Staffers who work with Trump said, this conversation never happened.
And they're trying to besmirch his good name over a fallen soldier whose family is like, this never happened, and we are supporting Donald Trump.
They're claiming that Trump was grumbling because he was like, did I agree to pay for this funeral?
It's so expensive.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely nuts.
Well, following this, Donald Trump has slammed Kamala Harris for fanning the flames of violence.
And sure enough, we got a bunch of stories for you.
Charlie Kirk apparently had someone was threatening them got arrested.
We've got breaking reports, this crazy video of a woman going to someone's house and screaming at him.
Yeah, we got we had to chill everything out.
And we and we'll talk about that.
But we also have Polly Market.
Once again, we're keeping up with the latest because we are less than two weeks out from election day.
We are in election month, whatever that means, I guess.
So it's going to be hot, to say the least.
And we'll get into all the latest stories and details pertaining to the election and those polls.
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unidentified
I know this is going to come as a shock to a lot of the liberals out there.
I just want to say...
tim pool
October 25th, membersonlytimcast.com.
We have a behind-the-scenes with Josh Sider and Alex Stein.
unidentified
Before we start the show, you should probably take a hint of that.
tim pool
And that's it.
That's Josh Sider wiping off his makeup.
For those who don't know, this is a guy who for five months said that he was trans, followed all the rules of gender ideology, and was still attacked and insulted over this.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Brandon Buckingham.
unidentified
Thank you so much for having me, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
unidentified
I'm a YouTuber.
I guess you could call me an on-the-ground journalist or just some guy who fucks around with a camera.
But yeah, lately I've been traveling all across the world and America and filming different communities, people, and sometimes just fucking around and drinking in the streets.
tim pool
You've seen some pretty crazy stuff.
unidentified
Yeah, no one's heard from me for a while.
So, yeah, I was recently involved in a shooting in Chicago where six gunmen hopped out on us at three in the morning and they had switches, emptied their guns.
Full auto!
Yeah, I was with five other people.
Four of them got hit, one of which was my cameraman.
A bullet hit him in the neck.
tim pool
Why did they do that?
unidentified
Well, I think as my channel is growing, when I link up with rappers or gang members and I do a piece about them, the rival side or the opposing side then paints me as the enemy.
I don't think I was targeted necessarily, but...
tim pool
This is 100% true.
I remember when Vice had gone down and interviewed a bunch of gangs in Chicago and I straight up told them, I was like, you guys are going to be marked by the rival gangs.
You're giving cred and visibility exposure to...
A faction that is at odds with another faction.
But we'll talk about all that.
So, pretty wild.
Glad to have you here.
We got Ian hanging out.
ian crossland
Hey, guys.
Good to be here, man.
Ian Crossland.
You probably know me by now if you watch the show.
Very happy to be here.
Musician, actor.
Let's rock and roll, baby.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
We got the story from CNBC. Harris blasts Trump on reported Hitler comments, says he wants unchecked power.
Really?
I'm just, this is, it's so tiring.
It's absurd.
It makes no sense.
The story's been refuted.
There's no evidence.
There's no sources.
Let me tell you guys, you don't need to hear it from me.
A lot of people like Donald Trump.
They're not going to believe it anyway.
But for anybody out there who doesn't like Donald Trump, news organizations used to require three sources if they didn't have direct evidence.
That means if you were going to try to claim that Trump said that he wanted generals like Hitler had, which is the claim they're making...
You would need three individuals on the record saying, independently and individually, I was there, here's what happened.
That way you could say, hey, we got three people.
Now what they do is they're like, I heard this guy.
I ain't telling you who it is, by the way, but he claims this thing happened.
Then when you get an on-the-record dispute, they still run the story.
Take a look at this from The Atlantic.
The Atlantic ran the story Trump.
I need the kind of generals that Hitler had.
The Republican nominee's preoccupation with dictators and disdain for the American military is deepening.
This is fake news, and unfortunately there are people who don't know how to parse through this.
When we scroll down, we'll get to the point where they actually try and run the quote.
They say the personal qualities displayed by Trump in his reaction to the cost of the Guillen funeral.
Contempt, rage, parsimony, racism, hardly surprise his inner circle.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
They say as his presidency drew to a close and in the years since, he has become more and more interested in the advantages of dictatorship and the absolute control over the military that he believes it would deliver.
Quote, I need the kind of generals that Hitler had, Trump said in a private conversation in the White House, according to two people who heard him say this.
Quote, people who were totally loyal to him that follow orders.
And then they add in parentheses, quote, this is absolutely false.
Pfeiffer wrote in an email, President Trump never said this.
So let me ask you a question.
You got a guy on the record quoted who said that never happened.
And we're supposed to believe that two random people we don't know who claim it did happen.
And that's good information.
Good enough for the public to believe.
unidentified
I love it.
Hearsay.
Just say anything all the time.
He said, she said, run the story.
They have Trump, in quotes, saying something that was overheard.
That's great.
phil labonte
I don't even think that this is about trying to convince voters.
I think this is preparing the landscape for a Trump win and some kind of illegal action afterwards to prevent Trump from taking office.
So all this...
All of the Trump is, because they've gone, they've tried these tactics before and they haven't worked.
They're not really effective.
All they do is they gin up their base, but they don't convince anyone.
Like your average, if you're an undecided voter, you've heard this story a million times in the past 10 years or, you know, eight years or whatever.
It's not compelling.
If it wasn't compelling in 2016, 17, 18, then it's not compelling now.
Especially seeing as the general opinion on Trump has softened to people in the middle.
So now, this isn't about trying to convince people.
It's about preparing the landscape for some kind of action should Trump win.
And I think that this is what you're going to see going until the election because the Harris campaign doesn't think that they can actually convince voters anymore.
tim pool
They tried calling Trump racist, and it didn't work, but it did get clicks.
They then called him the most racist, and it didn't work, but it did get them clicks.
And then they tried saying, he's almost as bad as Hitler.
Got clicks, but they got to keep escalating it.
So eventually got to the point where they said he is Hitler.
Then he's worse than Hitler.
Now he wants to have generals that are just like Hitler.
But here's my favorite.
The Atlantic wrote this only, I think this was last week.
What is this?
October 18th.
Trump is speaking like Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini.
Ah, yes.
That would make him a fascist communazi.
If they want to combine all of those dictators, he's a fascist communazi.
I don't know how those things come together.
But they're basically saying he is speaking like a dictator.
We get it.
Now, Hitler didn't work.
So they're like, what if we add Stalin and Mussolini to that as well?
I mean, maybe that scares people.
unidentified
I like including him.
That's good.
tim pool
Yeah.
Just like a fruit punch of dictators that Trump could be like.
unidentified
Yeah.
Not just Hitler.
tim pool
Not just Hitler.
You know, because as conservatives come out and said, you know, the communists were bad, too.
They killed tens of millions, hundred million plus people.
They were like, OK, we'll just put Hitler and a communist and then include a fascist.
ian crossland
What did he say?
tim pool
Grab your mic, Ian.
ian crossland
Thanks, man.
Thanks for reminding me, sir.
tim pool
You're not wearing your headphones.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
I haven't been wearing them lately.
What did he say?
That they think he sounds like Hitler, Mussolini.
Now, Hitler did kind of sound like Mussolini.
Mussolini was his idol.
He idolized the guy and he kind of, you know, garnered the Nazi fascist regime after Mussolini's regime.
He kind of based it off of it.
But Stalin, I mean, dictator speaks like dictator, maybe.
What was Trump...
phil labonte
I don't think that it matters.
It's not about what Trump said.
Like I said, it doesn't matter what Trump does.
This isn't about Trump and it's not about the election.
This is about preparing the landscape so that way they can justify saying he's so bad we can't allow him to take office.
unidentified
I think Civil War.
tim pool
I'm jumping right to 11, but let me tell you why real quick, because I don't want to just leave it there.
It's because right now, Democrats are leading in early voting, but Republicans have made massive gains.
Republicans are expected to win on Election Day.
This means that Democrats and Republicans have two different elections at the same time.
The idea that you can have a day of election, Republicans are like, on election day, we all go vote.
And Democrats are like, we can collect votes throughout the month.
Those are two completely different systems operating in parallel at different times, and then we compare the numbers and see which side got more.
Republicans recently started participating in absentee and mail-in voting more so, and so they have massive gains now.
So right now what they're saying is because Republicans are closing the gap in absentee and mail-in, it's expected that Republicans are going to win based on the data we already have from the Democrat version of what an election is.
However, if there's still only 5 million Republican voters, I mean a hypothetical number, and 2.5 million vote early, 2.5 million will vote on day of.
So if we're seeing Republicans embrace mail-in and early voting now, it doesn't necessarily mean there will be more votes on Election Day.
But the reason why I said Civil War is I think it's important people actually consider.
What I see with what you're saying, Phil, how they're laying out the framework for what comes it's not about the election, it's about what comes after We've talked about in the past that when Trump tries to deport all of these illegal immigrants, they're going to start running photos of buses, of trains, of the military operation, of police, and they're going to juxtapose them with World War II and Holocaust photos and say, see, we told you.
They're going to use all of this to prime and prep the people who live in Democrat weirdo world who believe these things, despite them being unsourced.
It's nonsense.
And then you have the fact that I think it's fair to say Republicans come out and they go election day is November 5th and the Constitution prescribes a single day for voting.
And Democrats go, we don't care.
We're going to vote all month and collect ballots and then turn them in nine days afterwards so you can count them.
And then 13 days after the election, determine who won.
Those are two completely different systems.
Republicans tolerate the Democrats' version of events and then consider their outside of the rules numbers.
phil labonte
This is also in conjunction with, I believe it was DOD Directive 5240.01, which is allowing the intelligence apparatus to work in conjunction with law enforcement.
One of the key points, it says, the directive outlines policies for intelligence components support to law enforcement agencies, including potential use of lethal force.
Now, this is inside the United States, right?
These are things that are supposed to be prohibited by the Constitution.
CIA is not supposed to operate in the U.S. But this, the Directive 5240.01 says, It's an internal Department of Defense policy document that details procedures for DOD intelligence components assistance to U.S. law enforcement.
The directive has undergone revisions with some of the most recent versions published on September 27, 2024.
Rumors have circulated about a reissued directive allegedly targeting individuals who raise concerns about U.S. government activities.
That's Elon Musk.
That's Joe Rogan.
That's us here.
That is...
You think so?
I'm kidding.
ian crossland
People that raise concerns about government activities?
That's the quote?
phil labonte
Yeah, the 2016 version of the DOD... That's the point of the United States.
ian crossland
There is a concern against government.
phil labonte
I'm aware.
Let me go through this.
The 2016 version of the DOD Manual 5240.01, published on August 8, 2016, focuses on intelligence oversight, ensuring independent monitoring of intelligence activities within the DOD, The 2020 update to the 2007 issuance of the directive and the 2016 manual are mentioned as points of comparison, with some speculating about language differences and potential implications.
The point is they've authorized the DOD and intelligence apparatus, that would be CIA, working in conjunction with law enforcement.
That's to target American citizens, which is it's supposed to be off limits.
But this in conjunction with the stuff that they're saying that Kamala Harris has said today, the ad, the narrative that's being spun, I don't think that it's far fetched to say that they're going to do something should Trump win to prevent him from taking office.
And honestly, like I said, everybody that's in the podcasting space, everyone that's a dissenting voice, we'll all have targets on our back, too.
ian crossland
Well, the entire United States is a dissenting voice against government.
phil labonte
That's not true at all.
ian crossland
That's the whole purpose, is it's a revolution against...
phil labonte
I understand that...
tim pool
We are talking about the United States government.
ian crossland
We are in constant revolution.
Our government is a constant revolution.
phil labonte
You're derailing a serious conversation.
ian crossland
They can target anybody, dude.
phil labonte
You understand what that means?
ian crossland
Anyone that complains about the government.
This is not a derailment.
Tim, I was going to call you Tim because I'm so used to it.
phil labonte
The point is, this is specifically going to be targeting people that don't support the general narrative.
They're not going to target MSNBC. Well, you're assuming that, but you're probably right.
ian crossland
But still, they could.
phil labonte
They're not going to target MSNBC. They're not going to target people in the administration.
They're not going to target NBC. The point of
this stuff is to prepare the landscape.
So they say Donald Trump is the big Hitler.
Donald Trump is super Hitler.
And then after that, if they go ahead and throw him in jail, which I totally believe they will do if Kamala Harris wins.
And if not, I think that they will try to throw him in jail and say that he didn't win the election or they'll say that he's some kind of threat or something like that.
And I don't have any kind of evidence or anything, but that's just my gut feeling.
But there's no...
I mean, why wouldn't they?
They've lied about people.
They threw a boatload of people in jail after January 6th.
Steve Bannon's still in jail right now.
They put Roger Stone in jail.
They're trying to put Trump in jail using any means they have.
Why wouldn't they try to toss people in jail?
ian crossland
Biden yesterday said we need to put him away or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Lock him up.
ian crossland
Lock him up.
Politically, which is what?
A political prison?
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
He said, we need to lock him up.
The whole crowd starts clapping and cheering, and then he goes, politically lock him up.
ian crossland
Which is still like a political imprisonment.
It's still an imprisonment.
unidentified
A lot of people for political reasons.
tim pool
Politically lock him up.
That's even worse, actually.
phil labonte
They've put a lot of people in prison, and I don't see any reason for them to stop, especially if Kamala Harris wins.
They'll feel like they have a mandate.
unidentified
Don't you feel like some of this labeling is losing its power, though, like everyone being literally Hitler all the time?
phil labonte
It's not about getting people to believe it.
It's about creating a narrative that justifies action.
It doesn't matter, because the people that are Kamala Harris supporters, people that are Democrat supporters, they already believe this.
unidentified
They'll eat it up.
phil labonte
Yeah, they're going to eat it up.
So what they're doing isn't trying to convince people.
Like I said, this isn't about getting votes.
This isn't about convincing the very, very narrow margin or the very few people that are undecided.
This is about creating a narrative that will justify actions that are illegal, justify actions that would go contrary to the vote should Donald Trump win.
It's about preparing the landscape for action.
It's not about convincing anyone of anything.
unidentified
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
I mean, I was at January 6th all day, and they talk about the insurrectionists, the white supremacists that were there.
And I thought that the news coverage of that was shocking compared to my on-the-ground perspective of what I saw on January 6th.
And yeah, I'm happy I didn't walk in that building.
I'll say that, because it was easy.
You could have walked right in.
It seemed like they were just letting people in.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm happy that I was as posting from New Hampshire.
tim pool
I want to jump to this tweet that we got from Jen Kueger of the Young Turks.
He tweeted this out today.
I have never seen both sides of an election this confident.
One of them is very wrong.
Both sides are in their own bubble and don't realize there is a reality outside of those bubbles.
So whoever loses is going to be absolutely shocked.
Kamala Harris was losing in six out of the last seven polls in Michigan, but now she's up by four in that state in the last poll.
This thing keeps swinging back and forth.
I've never seen it so unpredictable.
You know, I'll be nice because I think he's on the right track, but Cenk Uygur, I don't think he has a mind for this space.
It is true that no one knows what's going to happen, but Trump supporters absolutely are not sitting here screaming, we've got this one in the bag.
In fact, despite the polls and Polymark and everything favoring Trump, they're screaming, everyone get out and vote, get everyone to vote because there's going to be some shenanigans.
We've got to swamp the vote.
There is still fear within Republicans they're going to lose.
And despite the fact that poly market has Trump at right now, 61.7, a common list is 38.5.
Real clear politics has Trump winning every single battleground state and all battleground states in aggregate.
Democrats are still saying we're going to win.
unidentified
We're going to win.
tim pool
We're going to win.
And it may not be because they're deluded.
It's because they have to say it.
They can't drop the morale of their voter base by saying there's no point.
Don't even bother.
So certainly there are elements of both sides that are confident.
But I think what we're seeing here with the polls, polymarket, is the general view of the public is that Donald Trump and the Republicans are going to win and win bigly, but no one knows for sure I think it's fair to say, if Democrats are claiming they're going to win, it is because they're intentionally ignoring the reality of this.
So to say it's both sides and it's swinging back and forth and nobody knows is totally wrong.
But at least someone on the right track.
unidentified
You know, I heard about Chuck Uyghur.
I heard he was literally Hitler.
tim pool
I heard that too.
unidentified
Isn't that crazy?
tim pool
Let me show you.
A source close to YouTube told me that he was literally Hitler.
unidentified
So was his nephew as well.
tim pool
You have a YouTube channel?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Take a look at this from the battlegrounds.
Trump is up 0.9.
So he says, like, what did he say?
Michigan?
He says Kamala was up and was down in the polls in Michigan.
OK, well, in Michigan right now, Trump is up point two in aggregate.
And if we jump in, he is correct that Quinnipiac has plus four for Kamala Harris.
But around the exact same time frame, Trafalgar has Trump up to these polls are largely meaningless.
It's fair to say no one knows for sure.
Hence, Republicans are screaming, get as many people to vote as possible.
But what happens?
ian crossland
Well, my thoughts are, I've been studying imperial strategy a lot lately.
1947 is when the British Empire technically ended.
After World War II, they basically turned it into the liberal economic order.
They're like, we're done with this, like, having an emperor guy control it.
We're just going to make a liberal economic order controlled by the CIA and MI6. So, like, I was studying...
phil labonte
CIA didn't exist in 1947.
ian crossland
Well, 1949 is when they officially launched it, but it was around, it had a different name, like, since the 30s or something.
1975, there's the Australian coup.
I don't know if you guys have really ever studied this, but they appointed a governor general to overthrow this Australian prime minister that was, Go was his name, and he wanted to get out of Vietnam and take away Pine Gap from American sovereignty.
He wanted, he's like, Australia first, and they're like, no, that can't happen.
Empire must succeed.
So the CIA got this governor general, got the king to appoint him.
It's basically like late-stage Roman Republic where the Praetorian Guard's in control of the emperor.
And if the emperor crosses them, he's done for it.
tim pool
Are you suggesting that polls and predictions are meaningless because the deep state will put Kamala in?
ian crossland
Yes.
And I think that they like closeness because it makes good media attention to think it's within two.
tim pool
It makes Republicans think we have a fighting chance if we keep pushing.
ian crossland
And the CIA is controlling the game.
And I think that they're going to, it's just, it's stacked against us.
I mean, I'd still think go out and vote because Donald Trump did win in 2016, but they didn't feel threatened against him in 2016, whoever they are.
This strategy, this imperial strategy.
tim pool
You know, it'd be really funny or crads.
It would be really funny if Trump was supposed to win on the merits, but the Democrats, the deep state, was cheating to install Hillary.
But then the Russians pressed the button turning off their computer so that Trump actually won on the merits.
And then they were like, oh crap, it was the Russians, but the Russians actually didn't cheat to help Trump.
You know what I mean?
Like a multi-layered conspiracy of conflicting intelligence agencies from Russia to the U.S. We need to stop them from cheating.
ian crossland
And they're like, they're stopping us.
tim pool
Exactly.
Because of Russia, we lost, but we were cheating.
I'm not saying that happened.
I'm saying, wouldn't it be funny if what actually happened is that Trump did win, but Democrats were going to press a button to flip the votes to support Hillary, but then the Russians flipped a button to flip their votes back, so Trump ended up winning normally, and then they were like, how did we not win?
unidentified
The rigors.
It's rigged.
ian crossland
It does feel like we're part of a pre-planned thing.
But Trump winning in 2016 gave me, outside of that perspective, I consider this a form of being black-pilled.
Being like, look, the CIA runs the show.
It always has.
Kennedy got offed.
They overthrew the prime minister in Australia in 1975.
He wasn't serving the king or whoever's running the show, MI6. I don't know, man.
I think Trump does represent American sovereignty in the sense he kind of gives like business first, local economics first, and that there's like a global governance scheme that's kind of like trying to position and control the world through economics and military force if they have to.
And Trump's kind of like...
phil labonte
When you say control the world through economics, what do you...
ian crossland
Well, they want this liberal economic dollar to run the show.
phil labonte
What is your concern about that?
ian crossland
The vulnerability of fiat currency, that if they can print as much as they want and bribe people, like bribe countries and buy them.
phil labonte
Okay, so I understand that the goal for a lot of countries or for the United States is to have people use the dollar, because that props up the dollar and allows them to overspend and stuff like that.
Do you believe that that is for nefarious intent?
And if you do, why?
ian crossland
Why?
Yeah, the USAID, it's basically the central cortex of the empire.
You know, it's called USAID. I don't know where it stands.
It doesn't mean aid.
Do you guys familiar with it off the top of your heads?
No, it's your story.
It's the Agency for International Development, the USA Agency for International Development.
It controls the Department of Defense, the CIA, and it's like the center go-through for all these agencies.
It's not really supposed to have a center go-through.
They're supposed to be independent.
So the USAID got created, and its kind of job is to go...
Mike Benz knows this stuff well, and I think he's coming on the show pretty soon.
We can go deep on USAID. Is to create value outside of the U.S. And what they'll do is they'll buy countries.
They'll basically flood their markets with U.S. dollars through bribery and then take control of their economies.
And that's kind of been the tactic.
phil labonte
When you say take control, what do you mean by take control?
ian crossland
They make sure that they're on their currency.
phil labonte
So using the dollar.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
But that, do you mean, when you say take control, it implies like there's the U.S. trying to direct their economy, is that what you're saying?
ian crossland
I don't know if it's the U.S., but it's whoever's controlling the monetary.
phil labonte
You said U.S.Aid, right?
ian crossland
U.S.Aid is the organization that's running it.
tim pool
Yeah, right, and it goes through the IMF, the World Bank, etc., the Swift Payment.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Bank for International Settlement.
phil labonte
Can you steel man the existence of the U.S.Aid?
tim pool
USAID is a real thing.
It exists.
They provide money and resources on the surface to foreign countries, and many accuse them of actually being a subversive force.
For instance, in Ukraine, there are a lot of people that claim USAID was actually the structure by which they implemented the overthrowing of the Yanukovych government to create a more pro-Western government.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
So the structure, this is basically the Confessions of the Economic Hitman.
Are you familiar with that book?
phil labonte
No, actually I'm not.
tim pool
In order for the liberal economic order to maintain control, they first go and say, hey, you've got a developing nation.
We want you to do what we want, and we're going to give you tons of money.
You're going to get a big old stack of U.S. dollars.
We're going to build roads, McDonald's, grocery stores.
You're going to be a developed nation.
And if they say no, they say, okay.
If you don't do it, you get the stick.
Carrot or the stick, what do you pick?
And if they refuse the carrot, then they'll try to remove them through a coup of some sort.
If the coups fail, then you get a Saddam Hussein or a Gaddafi type scenario.
That's the claim made.
It's the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
What is true, however, is that the IMF offers loans to developing nations, and the simplest version of it I would argue the non-conspiratorial or steelman argument of the IMF is it's a bank that give out loans to developing countries because they believe if we develop in this nation and build businesses, we'll get labor back in kind and they'll pay back the loan.
But what ends up happening is most of these countries develop massive debt to an international bank they can't pay back and then just become debt-indentured servant vassal states to an international structured whatever you want to call it.
And then, when you cross the line, they'll kick you out of the SWIFT payment system so your credit cards don't work no more.
phil labonte
The point that I was trying to get is, like, Ian, is oftentimes you're talking about these things without actually fleshing out the argument you make, and you imply a lot of nefarious things, but I've never really heard you articulate what it is that you find so objectionable.
Like the other night when you were talking about the emperor, you're like, well, it's not supposed to be, and it's like, well, why not?
tim pool
This is a good question, Ian.
What is objectionable about a method of control by which you offer resources and then put someone in debt?
ian crossland
Well, I mean, if it was...
At their will.
If it wasn't like you were saying earlier about this hitman strategy, like we're going to control your nation one way or another or another, and you get to pick.
Do you want to be bribed out and just be served to us and pay us back for the rest of your life and owe us interest on all our loans to you?
Or do you want us to remove you and then take control of your country?
Or do you want us to invade and take it by force?
It's your choice.
That's my problem with it, is this strategy.
If it was just like, hey, do you want some money?
You'll end up paying us back in the long run.
If not, okay, that's fine.
Do your thing.
But if it's That'd be a different story.
phil labonte
If it's a developing nation that doesn't have a lot of economic activity, right, and they're giving loans to these countries so that way they can develop, they can have a functioning economy or have a more prosperous economy, and it helps the people of the country, why is that bad?
ian crossland
Well, I mean, if it helps the people of the country, it does a lot of times lift people out of poverty.
That's true.
phil labonte
I think my point being, like, the argument that you're making sounds like an argument against capitalism, right?
Against the method that we use to fund projects.
And that kind of boils down to an argument against capitalism.
Capitalism is the best system to raise people out of poverty.
The reason we don't have a total, you know, poverty being the norm globally, and it's not.
We've got like, I think less than 10% of the population is in abject poverty anymore, I think the UN said.
And by like 2035, you're gonna get rid of all objective poverty, which is like living on less than a dollar a day.
Different amounts of money are necessary in different countries.
To keep people fed and stuff.
But capitalism is the engine that has raised the standard of living for people globally forever.
Even China.
China was a basket case of an economy until the 70s or something like that when Nixon went and opened up a little bit.
China decided to open up markets and then they started to actually produce something for the people.
People stopped starving all the time.
The argument sounds like, when you talk about it, it sounds like you're against the liberal economic order.
It's like, liberalism is generally good, right?
And the economic order that has been produced has raised a massive amount of people, billions of people out of poverty.
So I'm not sure what your argument against it is when it's actually done really great things For billions of human beings.
ian crossland
Well, one would be the centralization of control.
That makes me nervous because if crazy people get in control of that system, if there's one system and everybody relies on this one economic order, if crazy people get in there like, we don't like this type of person and we don't like that kind of culture.
You're like, whoa, hold on.
This is Earth.
We're all in this together.
It's not your 80 people's decision of who gets to go poor and who gets to live.
And that's one concern is centralization of control.
Another one is like, look what they did in Libya.
Libya was an example of Gaddafi wanting to get off the US dollar, and I think he wanted to adopt a gold standard.
And they were like, that's not going to fly, bro.
And they just basically killed the man and took the country.
tim pool
He wanted an African Union, and he wanted to trade oil and gold, and that's against the wishes of the Western powers.
So they take him out.
ian crossland
And so you see what happens when it's attempted to defy.
tim pool
And we should move on, absolutely, because you're just getting too esoteric, and that's a culture war conversation.
ian crossland
Well, yeah, this is for Mike Benz, too.
tim pool
Let's jump to the post-millennial.
Trump campaign calls out stone cold loser Kamala for continuing to stoke the flames of violence in her brief remarks to reporters.
So this, of course, is following Kamala Harris's making this ridiculous statement about Trump wanting, you know, generals like Hitler, which has been refuted by people named and on the record and only supported by unnamed nobodies no one's ever heard of.
We don't know who they're talking about.
Pennsylvania McDonald's franchise retains security after Trump's visit leads to threats.
What a ridiculous case, man.
The owner of a Pennsylvania McDonald's that made news over the weekend after Trump went there has retained private security following threats made at location.
Jim Worthington, a key organizer of Trump's visit to the Pennsylvania delegation, blah, blah, blah, told The Daily Caller that McDonald's has received threatening phone calls and social media messages after the former president's appearance.
In response, Giacomo Antonio, who had already hired private security ahead of the event, retained their services to protect his employees.
Jessica Mijo, a Bucks County resident, described the heightened security when she visited the McDonald's.
We walked in, it seemed fine.
We ordered and we sat down, but then we looked to our left and there were several armed guards just sitting there.
I thought he was checking if we have our insurance or something.
Then my husband and I are like, these guys are security.
These guys are really watching and seeing what's going on.
It was then I made the connection to Trump.
Despite the threats, Worthington emphasized that the community has overwhelmingly supported the restaurant.
The community is really embracing it, and a lot of people have come here since Sunday just to patronize the restaurant.
Now, I don't think it's solely just Kamala Harris that is causing things like this to happen.
But certainly when she goes and gives a press conference—she's actually doing a town hall later tonight, which we don't care to watch because it's probably going to be painful—empty words where she uses lots of them to say nothing.
But it is true that as Democrats go on TV over and over again and prime a nation wound up as tight as can be— Eventually, that spring snaps back into the other direction that energy gets released.
And now you've got a McDonald's having to have private security because of death threats.
You've got, there's a ton of crazy videos, right?
We got this video that went viral.
A woman goes to someone's house for no reason and asks her why she's voting for Trump and then yells at her, flicks her off.
Lady!
Why did you come to this?
Could you imagine you're at home and someone knocks on your door like, for no reason, I just don't like you because you voted for Trump and I'm going to scream in your face.
These people are unhinged.
And if some random old woman is willing to cross that line of going to a stranger's house to insult them, imagine what someone who's truly crazy is willing to do as they ramp up this rhetoric.
So I agree with Donald Trump.
unidentified
Castle doctrine.
I'm just joking.
tim pool
Well, I mean, if someone breaks into your house and is threatening your life, we hope it doesn't get to that point.
But that's what I fear if the rhetoric keeps escalating in this regard.
Kamala Harris and Democrats saying Trump is going to be Hitler.
They're claiming he's going to use the military against the American public.
He's never said that.
That's insane.
You know, look, man, it's projection.
They say that Republicans are doing this thing and they're going to do that when Democrats are the ones who have a tendency for street-level violence.
Republicans don't do this.
They try and cite January 6th over and over again, despite the fact that it's Democrats that in 2017 ransacked D.C. because Trump got elected.
Then you have Democrats in May of 2020 setting fire to St.
John's Church and firebombing the White House.
And you have consistently with, say, the Summer of Love protests, it is leftists and Democrats.
It's not Democrat leadership.
It is run-of-the-mill regular folks who vote Democrat who are joining these protests and engaging in extreme degrees of violence.
ian crossland
sort of like um that that phenomenon of like people that have been abused do the abuse to other people you'd think someone that receives abuse would be like understand how horrible it is worse than anyone else and be the most likely not to do it again but it's the weird cycle of like look it happened to me so i'm going to project it onto others and with with people supporting movements that are perpetuating violence like the pretty brutal burning down of cities and stuff during these riots
and just kind of like being kind of okay with it you'll see the projection of that outside It's like they're forcing that kind of abusive behavior now outside after they allowed it to happen and the cognitive dissonance of making themselves think it's normal because they don't want to seem like they were a victim or part of a problem.
That's, I think, a lot of what's going on.
tim pool
My concern is, well, I will start by saying, Republicans, what is it, one out of ten instances?
Is there someone on the right doing something?
It's just been consistently over the past decade, as far as I've seen, longer than that.
Longer than a decade since going back to Occupy.
What did Tea Party do?
You ever see Tea Parties running around firebombing buildings and beating people up?
ian crossland
They were super calm.
tim pool
Yeah, I remember going to...
ian crossland
Peaceful movement.
tim pool
I went to Philly, and there was a Tea Party event, and it was a bunch of people sitting in lawn chairs.
Then you go to these leftist protests and they're smashing up windows, throwing things in the street, fighting with cops.
That's just what they do.
phil labonte
Tea Party events, they cleaned up after themselves.
There were all these times that the Tea Party had protests or whatever, and they would always take their trash out with them, and the place was...
I mean, it wasn't perfect, you know, because not everyone's on board, but it was significantly cleaner than when the left has a protest where they break, like, not only is it a mess, but they smash windows and light cars on fire and stuff.
unidentified
The Tea Party guys didn't loot the Gucci stores?
phil labonte
No, they didn't.
tim pool
Oh, surprising, right?
unidentified
Shocking.
tim pool
Yeah, there were little old ladies with little American flags and red shirts and American flag hats, and they're waving them in a lawn in Philadelphia.
And I was like, well, this is boring.
It was funny because I've covered all these protests, and I was like, man, this is crazy.
The cops are firing rubber bullets, and there's tear gas.
And then I went to a tea party event, and I walked around, and nothing happened.
And they're just sitting in lawn chairs, and then they left.
And then after they left, they cleaned up their garbage and picked up the chairs.
And I was just looking around like, but nothing happened.
Like...
I guess the challenge for people on the right especially is there's no news when you do that.
And so the left actually wins politically in terrifying cases where, for instance, at Trump's inauguration when they ransacked D.C., they all got arrested and then sued the city, sued the federal government and won a million bucks.
They had to pay them, the people doing the loot and the ransacking.
That's fascinating.
phil labonte
Insane.
ian crossland
What did they sue them for?
tim pool
I don't know the exact thing, but I think it was like false charges.
The idea was this large group of people, many just black clad hoodies, were smashing things, setting fires.
The cops surrounded a big group of them and then just arrested everybody.
And then when they tried charging them, the defense argued, how do you know my client is the one who committed those crimes?
And they say, we don't.
But they were part of a conspiracy to do it.
They argued that if you show up at one of these rallies wearing black block, which is a hoodie, a mask, jeans, you are doing that to intentionally cover for other people who are going to be engaged in extreme violence.
And then they they argued to the judge.
So some random guy who happens to be walking on the street wearing a hoodie and jeans is now part of a criminal conspiracy.
You can't do that.
So a handful of people actually pleaded guilty.
And then once things started getting pretty hot, like more news, more attention, more protests over the arrests, and more lawyers got involved, everyone started pleading not guilty.
And then eventually they were forced to drop the charges.
And then they filed a lawsuit against the city and they won a million bucks.
ian crossland
Like a class action?
tim pool
I don't think it was a class action.
I'm not sure.
But they argued that it was like wrongful arrest without evidence.
And it's D.C. They're all Democrats.
They're going to side with leftist protests no matter what.
They're sitting there being like, these people are protesting Donald Trump.
Come on.
Like, you want to win an election and you arrest the Trump protesters?
Yeah, you're not going to be able to pull that off.
Again, this is why I say civil war.
Not because I've made it the idea.
Because if a Democrat goes out, if Democrat, like, look at the lockdowns.
When they went out and marched in New York City for Black Lives Matter, they said it was a Colorado Sun ran an article.
The Black Lives Matter protests reduced the spread of COVID. It's amazing.
How about that?
And then when people went out for free speech on the right, they had pictures of nurses standing in front of cars with their arms crossed being like, you're spreading disease.
It's all just patently obvious to everybody.
And I wonder if why the reason Donald Trump is doing so well is because people are just sick of this.
ian crossland
I know I am.
I think so.
I mean, when we read earlier that, oh, Donald Trump said that he wished he had generals like what Hitler had, I was like, you know what, even if he said that in a meeting five years ago, I don't care, dude.
I don't care anymore.
He said it off the cuff.
He doesn't really want to do that kind of thing.
Like, I'm done with that crap.
I just, I am.
And I'm not a Trump supporter.
I'm not a zealot.
I just don't care about that crap.
Like, this whole villainizing bullshit, I'm done.
tim pool
I agree.
Even if Donald Trump's sitting there and he's like, I wish I had generals like Hitler, I'd be like, yeah, I literally don't care anymore.
I am so sick of the media running these lies.
I am so sick of the far-left violence.
We had in the 2020 cycle something like a list of 1,000 attacks on Trump supporters.
You had a Trump supporter, I believe it was in Portland, Aaron Donaldson, got shot twice in the chest by some far-left with the Black Lives Matter tattoo.
ian crossland
And the Venezuelan gangs taking over hotels, there are real problems happening in the world.
It's not about this guy or her.
There are real issues with mass immigration, unfettered people coming into the country and taking over territory.
Drug cartels on the southern border running fentanyl across the border and poisoning our country.
Real problems that we should be focusing on as a nation.
So...
When it comes to liberal and conservative, I think conservative people, the reason why a lot of it is just sort of peaceful and bland is because they want to conserve the status quo.
That's the nature of conservatism.
They're not really out there to change things.
tim pool
What is Kamala's pitch?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Donald Trump.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's bad.
tim pool
Yep, that's it.
ian crossland
It's the same crappy fear-based thing about villain, villain, villain.
Look at me.
I'm not, I'm not.
tim pool
What's Trump's pitch?
ian crossland
He wants to take away interest on certain loans.
What, student?
tim pool
Car loans.
ian crossland
Car loans, he wants to make it so you don't have to pay interest.
tim pool
Deregulate energy industry.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's actually putting forth ideas.
He's been president for four years.
He knows how the system works.
He knows how policy gets passed and created.
And he's actually got ideas.
A lot of people like Tulsi Gabbard now has joined the Republican Party because she's fantastic.
Just a fantastic nonpartisan human being that sees the humanitarianism in the Republican Party right now.
It's not about politics.
It's about like real people trying to do real change.
tim pool
Even Ian is voting for Trump.
unidentified
Really?
ian crossland
Well, Tim does a lot of my talking for me.
I don't know.
Yeah, I probably will.
Yeah, I'm not voting for Kamala Harris, and I do not support imperial people putting candidates into power without a primary.
That is completely anti-democratic.
It threatens democracy.
tim pool
That's exactly like the King of England.
ian crossland
It is like a monarch putting their son in power or being like, who will you choose for your next leader, this guy or this guy?
I picked them both.
tim pool
Indeed.
And that's why you have to support Trump.
It's the only way to oppose the British crown.
ian crossland
Trump at least was chosen by the people.
That's one thing I appreciate about his movement is he was chosen by people that believe in him and not some business bureaucracy that put him into power.
tim pool
And it's not just that.
It's that the primary was pretty brutal.
You know, Nikki Haley was bringing Democrats over to the Republicans because they were trying to get her to be the candidate.
Ron DeSantis mustered up a legitimate base in the Republican Party.
ian crossland
Vivek Ramaswamy was the best candidate.
But the people love Donald Trump so much and they respect him that it's like, okay, that's the guy.
That's your guy right now.
That's Donald Trump.
tim pool
He won against three pretty strong personalities.
ian crossland
If he hadn't been in the election, it would have been a very intense, tight race between DeSantis, Nikki Haley, and Vivek.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't think Nikki Haley could have won.
I think DeSantis would have won if there was no Trump, because he was ahead in all the prediction markets, too.
But yeah, you look at the Democratic Party and they've appointed someone without any democratic process.
I think for that reason alone, we must oppose Kamala Harris.
She could come out with the greatest policies in the world, and I'd say, no, no, we cannot as a country allow the political appointment by party of our national leader.
ian crossland
I agree.
I agree.
If she had the best policies in the world, literally, I would consider it, unfortunately.
tim pool
Nope, nope, nope.
I'll tell you why you're wrong.
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
Because the dictator's gonna come to you, and he's gonna say, Ian, you want graphene and hydrogen energy?
I will give you all of those things.
And you're gonna go, oh, that's a good point.
Then he's gonna get in, and he's gonna point to his son, and his son's gonna be like, cancel Ian's graphene.
ian crossland
Thank you.
Yeah, you're right.
You gotta trust the process itself.
You need to respect the process itself.
That's what this is about, is respecting the democratic process.
tim pool
Kamala will come up behind you and put her hands on your shoulder, give you a massage, and whisper in your ear, graphene.
And you're going to be like, I'm going to vote for her!
And then as soon as you do, she's going to throw you in the glass.
ian crossland
Yeah, the empire will offer you everything on a platter.
tim pool
But you'll never get it.
ian crossland
Maybe you'll have it for a generation, and then it'll be taken away from you because the next emperor wants it.
tim pool
You offer them absolute power through appointment.
They have no obligation to give you anything they promised.
ian crossland
Yeah, we need to respect Democratic-Republicanism.
tim pool
See, the thing is, if we reject that, that Kamala Harris was appointed, and we say you have to win at the bare minimum your primaries, We're good to go.
I'm going to declare 17 wars.
I'm going to strip all of your pension funds, and there's nothing you can do about it because we choose who is running.
You're going to get Jack Johnson and John Jackson.
It's going to be like Futurama.
I think his tax policy goes too far.
unidentified
Well, I think his tax policy doesn't go too far enough.
tim pool
And you're going to be like, wow, this is awful.
But you know what?
Here's the reality.
That's how it was for a long time.
Like, did anybody really want Obama or Romney?
It's fascinating to me.
At a time when you have the zeitgeist, literally at the time, zeitgeist the documentary, you have the community, the culture of political people who are involved in politics saying, yeah, we want Ron Paul.
We want Congress to declare wars.
We want sound currency.
And then you had the average person being like, don't know, don't care.
The machine on TV, they told me to vote for Barack Obama, so I did.
ian crossland
And if you alter the timescale and kind of step back for a long time, you didn't even get to do a fake choice.
It was his son is going to be your next ruler.
Deal.
You have no say.
For thousands of years, that's how the system worked.
His kid's going to be your next leader and then his kid and worship my family.
And we are very fortunate to have this American Revolution in 1776 led by these amazing human beings that put and risked so much for us to be able to choose our leaders in cycles.
That has to continue.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to this story from the Daily Mail.
Social studies teacher 24 is arrested for sending threats to Donald Trump Jr.
and Charlie Kirk.
They say Daniel Ashbess, 24, is accused of making online threats against the Republican figures while they were in the East Valley for a political rally last week.
He was booked into the Tempe City Jail on October 17th, and police were made aware of his threatening messages, sent in response to an automated messaging service for RSVPs to the rally at the local hotel.
Detectives said that Ashpes admitted sending the messages during an interview.
AZ Family reports he faces three counts of threatening to cause physical injury to another person and one charge of using a phone to threaten or intimidate.
I'm curious, where are the stories of the inverse?
Where are the stories of right-wingers doing things like this?
I'm sure maybe there's something niche or otherwise, but this stuff happens all the time.
I am concerned about what comes after this election, considering what we're seeing now.
phil labonte
Yep.
unidentified
Tim, since this is your wheelhouse, I want to ask you a question.
I was at January 6th all day, like I said before, and why did they let us stand on the front step of the Capitol building for so long?
tim pool
What do you mean?
unidentified
So I was there all day, and for hours we were just standing outside of the building, right?
And I'm like, what the fuck's going on?
I'm filming shit.
And then it felt like as soon as they wanted to, they started mustard gassing us, and within five minutes everyone was cleared.
Why didn't they mustard gas us when we initially approached the Capitol building?
Because there was police all around.
tim pool
Well, I mean, this is actually, I have a funny story.
phil labonte
I'm a CS gas, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not, you know, whatever it is.
tim pool
Yeah, so it's just, it's usually, you know, CS. I'll tell you a story that Luke told me, but Luke could tell it better because he lived it.
But this is a story he told me that they were at, I think it was like a G20 protest in, it might have been Pittsburgh.
And all these protesters are in the middle of a park.
And so they send a bunch of SWAT cops to line the park.
And they're all standing there staring into the park.
Because they're told to.
And then they don't move.
So eventually Luke said that he and his buddies, like all the other group, decided that they were done and they were going to leave.
They all left and walked just between the cops who were lining the park.
And those cops stood there lining the park with nobody there.
That's it.
And everybody was laughing, being like, why are they just standing there staring at an empty field now?
Whatever.
We're leaving.
And it was because they didn't receive orders.
These cops don't know, don't care.
They're told, stand there.
Stay where you are.
Wait for further instructions.
And they go, okay.
And then they all just stand there.
And they're trained to do it.
It's discipline.
I mean, if they broke ranks, things get ugly.
But without leadership, that's all they're doing.
So what happens?
Well, there's a bunch of people standing on the lawn of the Capitol on January 6th.
Nobody cares.
And then someone gave an order to fire tear gas.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
That's how it goes.
unidentified
I didn't know.
Because they were shooting rubber bullets, and I was like, you know, I got a clip of a guy who got a rubber bullet right through the cheek, and I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
They're shooting rubber bullets.
And then as soon as they hit us with the gas, everyone left, and I always wondered why they didn't do that earlier.
tim pool
Probably because, do you know what time they started firing tear gas?
unidentified
The sun was setting.
tim pool
Because it probably had to do with the, I think it was at like, what was it, 1.30 or something when people breached the barricades or breached the building around then?
unidentified
They pushed over the little gate thing.
tim pool
Yeah, on one side of the building they went and it could be related to that.
But it's simple.
Someone gave an order to do it.
Maybe they realized that giving a tour to the shaman and letting people come in and take selfies with cops was a bad idea and they needed to switch what the narrative was going to be so they started attacking everybody.
ian crossland
I think a lot about that shaman, Jacob Chansley.
I interviewed him.
I've actually talked to him multiple times.
He's a very cool guy.
And how much worse things could have been if there wasn't a guy there that was kind of a symbol of peace.
Like, he was telling people, stay calm, be cool.
He served time for his experience there, but he calmed a lot of people down.
And there was not, there was bits of violence.
Ashley Babbitt lost her life.
God, awful, awful.
Some cops got hurt pretty bad, I've heard.
Some people probably got roughed up, but Chancely was like continuously encouraging people to relax.
And it could have been, I was talking to my father about, it could have been so bad, like bodies all over the place.
And it was not.
unidentified
There's a lot of voices of peace.
I mean, I would encourage anyone to get this completely shadow banned to go watch my video of January 6th Street interviews where I was on the ground all day.
A lot of people were not preaching a hateful message.
I barely found anyone who was preaching a hateful message.
It was relatively peaceful.
I mean, I know they broke into the building and stuff, but it was very interesting to be on the ground there.
And the video, I think, is very interesting.
ian crossland
You have a video on YouTube of it?
unidentified
Yeah, of January 6th.
YouTube's taken it down and reinstated it multiple times for hate speech, then for promoting violence, but it's still up now.
ian crossland
What's it called?
unidentified
It's called January 6th Street Interviews.
Something like that.
ian crossland
Did you have any insight that came out of that personally?
unidentified
I was just shocked to see the media say, like, this is a second 9-11.
And just the verbiage that they used about the incident was kind of crazy to me.
I've been more scared at fucking Nelk rallies.
I went to this YouTube Nelk meetup where they're throwing glass bottles.
I was more scared at that than I was at January 6th.
I was chilling at January 6th all day.
It wasn't a very scary environment from my perspective.
But then again, it's just anecdotal.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure that these street takeovers are more dangerous and scary than January 6th.
Like, January 6th was not good.
Someone died.
Someone was shot and killed.
There are people who, I think one person fell off something climbing and fell.
Someone got trampled.
I mean, it was pretty bad.
And there's a riot.
Riots are not fun.
But you look at some of these street takeovers, and there's people shooting guns, and there's swinging cars.
There's a video of some guy, like, standing in the street, and they do a donut and whack the guy with the tail.
unidentified
I was just with that guy this weekend, swear to God.
tim pool
Oh, for real?
unidentified
Swear to God, yeah.
tim pool
I've seen that viral video.
unidentified
Yeah, I was filming with them at another car takeover and they rammed a car into another car and then sped off.
That street takeover shit's crazy.
phil labonte
There's multiple videos.
unidentified
Guys from Maryland.
phil labonte
Getting run over because they're doing spin-outs in the street takeovers.
Tons of people have been run over by that stuff.
It's really dangerous.
And the police either can't do anything about it or don't do anything about it.
And, I mean, that's...
I'm not going to say...
That it's worse than January 6th because January 6th is like a legitimate riot and stuff.
But I don't think that January 6th was even close to the way that it was portrayed because I think the narrative that the left and that the government wanted about January 6th was it's the worst thing obviously they said.
You know, it's worse than 9-11 or it's as bad as 9-11.
And they only did that so they could justify using authoritarian powers.
They could justify saying, oh, we need to put these people in jail.
And another thing that they did is when they put those people in jail, it was too frightened Americans.
It was so that way people would be afraid of speaking out.
People that are...
Paying attention knew that there were a lot of people that were put in jail simply for talking.
There were people that didn't even go inside that were put in jail for exercising opinions that were unpopular.
tim pool
Well, Owen Schroer never went inside.
And they arrested him.
And at the sentencing, the document stated that he had said things online after the fact that warranted a prison sentence.
unidentified
So what did I do differently than Owen Schroer?
tim pool
You were outside the building?
unidentified
Yeah, I never went in the building.
tim pool
I mean, maybe they'll come and arrest you.
ian crossland
No, I think it was about making a point with Owen.
Honestly, I think they just, it was really about making a statement.
unidentified
Yeah, he was InfoWars.
ian crossland
Yeah, he worked with InfoWars, and they were like, we're going to make a statement so that people know, like, Alex Jones is a hot button.
Now you know, you see, if you're clear near Alex Jones, what can happen to you.
tim pool
There was a, there's that reporter, Steve Baker, am I getting his name wrong?
ian crossland
I think that's the right name.
unidentified
Let me double check that.
tim pool
I feel bad if I'm getting your name wrong, buddy.
But he went in with two other journalists, I believe it was two other journalists, Yeah.
no charges.
But he wrote an article saying something like inside with your insurrectionists.
And so the belief is because he called them insurrectionists, they said, OK, this guy's on our side.
ian crossland
Yeah, Steve Baker, he wrote he wrote for Blaze News.
tim pool
He still does, doesn't he?
ian crossland
Writes for Blaze News.
tim pool
Yeah, we just had him on recently.
ian crossland
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Yeah, and he explained, and he believes that it was like a DOD level thing, that the intention at the highest levels was to get people to riot at the Capitol so that they could stage it.
ian crossland
It's such a basic tactic for a government to be there.
unidentified
Made all the bleachers set up outside of the Capitol building?
tim pool
Well, because it was a permitted rally.
They were allowed to be there.
It's kind of crazy.
And then Owen Schroer got arrested for it.
But, uh...
What Baker was saying is that he believes the intention was to have this rally happen.
The DOD wanted it to happen.
That's why they didn't bring the National Guard like Trump wanted.
It's why the police are standing around in videos.
You can watch.
You watch the video.
There's cops outside.
They're doing nothing.
They're letting people go in.
There's videos of cops being shoved, and there's that brawl in one entrance to the building, but there's cops taking selfies with people and smiling.
And so Baker was saying that he believes the intention was not to evacuate the building.
There was a cop who, of his own volition, ordered the evacuation without orders, and he got in trouble.
Not for that specifically, but people think that's why.
He believes that the DOD was hoping a politician would get hurt in some capacity so that they could justify this nationwide crackdown.
And if you take a look at what they've been doing to J6ers...
None of it makes sense.
Nonviolent misdemeanors resulting in three years in solitary confinement?
That doesn't make any sense.
unidentified
That's crazy.
Am I a J6-er?
tim pool
But if there was a politician who got hurt because they didn't evacuate and then these riders stormed in and a senator or a member of Congress got injured, then everyone would be like, well, of course the J6-ers are getting locked up and there's a crackdown.
These people attacked sitting members of Congress on the day of the vote count.
But nothing happened.
So they're all non-violent misdemeanors, trespass, and they're trying to put people in prison for months or even...
I met a woman.
She said that they showed up several hours after all the fighting and rioting, and they walked up Calmly, it was people walking around.
Went up to the door.
It was wide open.
They walked in and there was no broken glass or anything.
They looked around for a minute or whatever and then walked out, had no idea what was going on.
And then a year or so later, the cops kicked their door in, arrested her and her husband, and they were sentenced to 18 months.
And she was like, I don't understand.
We showed up several hours after everything happened.
We walked around.
There was no signs.
There was nothing.
And we don't know what's happening.
And now they're going to put us in prison for a year and a half.
I'm like, well, that only makes sense in a scenario where politicians actually ended up getting hurt, which they did not.
It makes no sense to put nonviolent trespass in prison for a year.
unidentified
So it almost seems like an attempted, like, false flag incident, right, where they're trying to be something to happen?
tim pool
That's what Baker says.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That the DOD was aware, wanted it to happen, so they could use it as a justification for crackdown and arrest.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think the denial of extra police presence kind of indicates an allowance of the process to occur.
Like, you would for sure, if there was a riot and you were concerned about stopping it at the Capitol, you'd bring a huge police presence, military presence if you need it.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, there's evidence that Donald Trump was asking for that stuff.
And that it was just not provided.
ian crossland
Like Nancy Pelosi, right?
phil labonte
I'm not sure if it was Pelosi or if it was the mayor of D.C. Bowser.
He was saying that, you know, hey, no, Muriel Bowser, was she the mayor of D.C.? I think so.
I feel like she was the mayor of Chicago, but either way.
tim pool
Bowser?
No, she's D.C. Is she D.C.? Okay.
Yeah, Lightfoot was Chicago.
phil labonte
That's it.
But yeah, point being, they denied, they said we can't come up with extra security and stuff.
So Trump was looking to prevent it.
He was trying to get the law enforcement beefed up.
unidentified
They rejected him?
phil labonte
If I understand correctly, yeah.
Bowser was like, we don't have the people.
And I think that had something to do with defund the police stuff.
I'm not positive.
That could be just hearsay.
unidentified
I went to Joe Biden's inauguration and they definitely had the people for that one.
They had all the gates up and I think they brought in the military in some capacity.
ian crossland
Oh, you were actually on the ground for both.
So you saw a difference in security for the inauguration versus...
unidentified
Yeah, Joe Biden's inauguration was like...
They had the whole military out there with their fucking automatic weapons.
It was like, what the fuck is this?
I was trying to get a good video.
There was no people there.
It was just military.
phil labonte
It activated the National Guard.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
So, you know...
unidentified
But at Trump's thing it was just like there's cops standing around and I'm like, I didn't know what the fuck was going on.
My dumb ass walked up to the Capitol building, you know what I mean?
I said, if my dumbass walked up to the Capitol building, it obviously had to be pretty lax security.
tim pool
There was none.
After people tore down barricades, it was just open sidewalk to a building that is typically open to the public.
unidentified
For hours, we were just chilling there.
And a lot of people were just saying that they love America and that they felt like the election was rigged and they won a fair election.
And that was pretty much the overarching theme of what I heard there.
tim pool
Yep.
Well, let's jump to this story from the Post Millennial.
Tim Waltz invited CCP officials into his Nebraska classroom when he was a teacher.
Wow, this just keeps getting worse for the guy, huh?
I really just don't like this guy.
unidentified
Look at his face.
tim pool
I'm not a fan.
unidentified
It's just this guy.
tim pool
So that's the story.
The incident occurred in February of 96 when a group of three educators from southeast China came to Walt's social studies class at Alliance High School to reportedly study the education system.
According to a rediscovered Alliance Time Herald story, the Daily Caller News Foundation obtained a study of Chinese government data that showed the delegation included CCP officials who at the time were employed by an institute serving a Chinese espionage agency.
The matter has sparked further concerns surrounding Governor Waltz, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, and has alleged ties to the CCP.
Um, yeah.
Waltz and his wife Gwen were sponsors of a student trip to China when the educators stopped by a school.
I think it's pretty obvious that this dude has got a, well, we've got to keep it family friendly.
So he's got an adoration.
For the Chinese Communist Party.
I was going to use a different word, but we'll just call it an adoration.
I mean, I... My word rhymes with loner.
ian crossland
I think you can say that online.
tim pool
It's just because, you know, there's kids.
phil labonte
Yeah, right.
ian crossland
Family reference, too, because it's a character from Growing Pains.
unidentified
Oh, you got a lot of kids that watch this?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
My apologies.
tim pool
Well, it's not that kids watch it, it's that people watch in their living rooms with their TV on and their kids are, and they're screaming in the chat, please stop swearing.
unidentified
Hey, my apologies, guys.
My apologies.
J6 are here, I'm sorry.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
It's not particularly a surprise that he has, you know, an affinity for the CCP, you know, considering what we know about the...
tim pool
And he's a communist?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, he thinks that communism is just being neighborly, which is about as ridiculous of a take on communism as you can possibly have.
But it's not a surprise that he would do something like that, considering the situation with him being in Tiananmen Square.
And he said that he'd gone to the CCP multiple times, right?
tim pool
To the CCP or to China?
phil labonte
To China, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, to China.
Yeah, at first he claimed it was 30 and then he says it was 15 or something.
phil labonte
Yeah, so...
tim pool
Do you think there's a correlation between low testosterone and being a communist?
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
But what about if you're a communist who wants to control the communist dictatorship?
High T. That's high T then, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
You got good nutrition if you want to control the communist party.
tim pool
You're like, just like, you know, you want to be the dictator, you have aspirations.
That's high T right there.
ian crossland
Maybe, or maybe you were low-T selected.
Tough to tell.
I don't know how that party works.
tim pool
No, I'm saying, like, someone who has the ambition to take over a country and become a dictator, it seems like a high- Is that how it works in China?
ian crossland
And I don't know if you know the answer to this.
Do they, does someone, like, seize control, and now they are?
Or are they selected by, like, a secret shadow government?
tim pool
No, it's like the Goblin King.
In order to become the chairman, you have to take out the existing chairman.
unidentified
You gotta take Trenbolone.
tim pool
I am absolutely kidding.
It's not Goblin King.
It's like a single party voter and then the top members of the party will vote and then you've got allies.
And I hear it's really mob-like and very dirty that it may actually be more Goblin King than we realize.
You know?
ian crossland
Who knows who?
It's like a goblin king's mind.
tim pool
Well, it's like, if you're a powerful guy and you've got a bunch of buddies and you say, I'm gonna be the chair, you put me in and I'll make it worth your while.
Otherwise, it'll be bad for you.
ian crossland
Who's got the allies?
And then do they have a secret, like a CIA or an MI6? Of course!
Is it a name?
tim pool
They don't know the name.
They call it Chinese intelligence.
phil labonte
Also, I don't think that it's all that particularly secret.
Like, everyone's really afraid of stepping out of line because you just get picked up by the normal police.
tim pool
Have you seen the video of the guy strapped to the chair and the cops are like, why did you post online that the cops are bad?
And he's like, I was drunk.
I'm so sorry.
I won't do it again.
And they were like, you were drunk.
Does that mean you think the cops are good?
And he's like, yo, yeah, your cops are really good.
And he's got like shackles on a metal chair and he's like naked.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
phil labonte
It's rough, man.
It's real rough.
I mean, every business has a—every business of—I'm not sure what size, but if you're a decent-sized business, you have a representative from the Communist Party in the building, you know, kind of like it used to be with the— Kind of like how we have DEI here.
tim pool
That is what they're trying to do.
ian crossland
It's an example of like, do you work with your enemies to accomplish a greater...
Or do you work with...
And I'm not saying that the CCP is evil.
I don't know them all individually.
As a unit, I don't like the idea of communism at all as a unit.
I don't think it works properly.
Top-down, controlled, state-run economy does not function at the local levels properly.
You need a more agile economy to function and thrive.
That's what the evidence shows.
But...
Good can work with evil to accomplish a greater goal, which is a unified survivability for the species.
I don't want to destroy the system, whatever the system is.
I want to augment and fix and make it better.
And is it worth working with?
Maybe that's Waltz's state of mind.
I don't know a lot about.
That's not his state of mind.
tim pool
His state of mind is he's a loyal servant to the CCP. You don't fly there 15, 30, 30 or 15.
Pick your number.
And then invite the CCP to come to your school.
This dude romanticizes about what's going on in China.
He lied about being there.
He lied about being in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests, which he was not.
And then he got calls out on all the time.
He's lying about everything.
This dude is just a...
He's smarmy, dude.
ian crossland
I saw the interview where they were like, so you said you think socialism is a good thing.
This is kind of what you were referencing, Phil, but I think they said socialism, not communism.
They did.
And they were like, the definition of socialism is that there is no private property at all.
Property is owned by the state.
So you support that?
Something like that.
tim pool
Socialism doesn't say the state, although it is true, just to clarify.
They say it's publicly owned.
Which basically means the state.
ian crossland
He was like, no, I mean, I just mean it's like being neighborly was the quote.
There's a really crazy interview where that interaction happens.
tim pool
Look at the policies he's passed in his state.
The dude is DEI. So DEI is the attempt in the United States to create an American Communist Party.
That's why they want – there's chief diversity officers.
That is installing the CCP into your business.
That's what DEI is.
And I don't think this necessarily comes from China.
I think it's Democrats largely who have romanticized and dream of having a government like the CCP does.
Who was it who – first you have Trudeau who said he – what was it?
He was a big fan of Xi Jinping or something like that?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
You had these Democrats a long time ago say that they envy how China can build a highway overnight and the United States can't do it.
Well, it's because we have human rights here.
You can't go to someone's house and just smash it to bits and then build your highway over it.
But in China they can.
They don't care.
ian crossland
Yeah, they also force slaves to go build the highway.
tim pool
They'll just be like, your house is gone, it's going to be a highway.
ian crossland
I imagine.
I said that out of hand.
I think of these, some Theo Fletcher sometimes really comes down on me on Twitter.
Shout out to Theo Fletcher, who sometimes I can't take it, but...
I've said some things about China that aren't correct, and sometimes I feel bad about that.
And I don't know about them making slaves build highways, but I think that they don't have workers' rights the same way that we do.
I mean, I guess off the top of my head, I should really research that before I start making those statements.
I've just heard stuff about the way that the Uyghurs have been treated in camps and that they're being...
phil labonte
Whether it be the Uyghurs, the Tibetans, or any number of ethnic minorities, China's really been absolutely harsh on them.
ian crossland
The Falun Gong was another group that apparently were persecuted by the government pretty ruthlessly, I've heard.
tim pool
And then they formed the Epoch Times, I believe, right?
And they moved to the United States.
phil labonte
Oh, that's who did it.
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, if you go to New York, Falun Gong people are handing out flyers and stuff.
And then it was really funny because China started hiring YouTubers.
They offered...
I'm pretty sure I got offered this at some point.
I got an email where they were like...
We'll give you $200 to post this video to your YouTube channel.
And then I looked at the video and it was a guy being like, these really weird people fall and gone.
Like, what's this about?
And then it was like a mini doc that was like five to ten minutes long from some white dude complaining about this group.
And I'm like, I ain't posting that to my channel.
What is this?
But a lot of people were like, 200 bucks, I'll take it.
It's just a commercial, right?
And I'm like, no way, dude.
ian crossland
I used to...
I read The Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
Have you guys ever read this book?
It's worth the read.
It's like the Chinese Hamlet.
It's considered an absolute classic written by Lo Gong Shao in like the 1400s or 1500s or something.
unidentified
Like Wushu and Wei?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dynasty Warriors games came out of this, Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
The novel's incredible.
I highly recommend reading it.
And you learn all about the beauty of the culture and the way...
But it really is imperial propaganda.
It's like talking about how wonderful the emperor is and how we need to restore the emperor.
I want to become the emperor who's in control of the country.
And it's like centralized control and authority.
And it's like...
Kind of gross that I worshipped Lube and thought he was such a phenomenal human.
All he wanted to do was restore the power of the empire.
And granted, it was 2,000 years ago.
What other things did they have going for him other than a good emperor?
They didn't really have the technology to establish a democratic republic in a lot of ways like we have now.
It's always made me love China, reading this and thinking about going to Chengdu in the West and seeing the mountains and the temples and history and stuff.
But man, communism as an economy is just so stifling.
And the brutality that I've seen and heard about in that country is...
phil labonte
But it goes beyond just an economy.
It's totalitarian.
So it's not just the economic system.
It's the way you live your life.
And being totalitarianism, it's the thoughts that you have.
Totalitarianism doesn't allow for dissent.
There are authoritarian countries where they don't care so much what you think, just so long as you shut up and do what you're told.
That's authoritarianism.
If it's totalitarian, they're going to be involved with who you can marry.
Like, the reason China had one child policy, you know, because it's totalitarian, because they were dictating how many children you were allowed to have.
They dictate whether or not you can have healthcare.
They dictate literally what you think, which is part of the reason why they control speech.
If you can control what people are allowed to say, then you can do, to some extent, control what people think and what people are allowed to think.
That was the whole, you know, in 1984, the reason they wanted to go ahead and go with Newspeak is because they wanted to get rid of the ability to think bad thoughts.
tim pool
You need to invent ideas or discover them, however you want to describe it.
But the idea that there was self-governance or that there could be self-governance Didn't exist until the Founding Fathers, largely.
I mean, certainly there was, to a degree, democracy, but mostly around the world.
Kingdoms.
It was divine mandate or someone who just inherited control.
And the Founding Fathers, I don't believe it was the first instance of self-governing, but a lot of the ideas that came from this era were developed.
And so, I mean, if you look at the rise of communism especially, right?
Communism didn't exist all that long ago.
It starts to rise in the late 1800s, early 1900s.
Ideas have to be discovered.
And so if you can stop people from talking about a certain type of idea, they can't even begin to imagine such a thing exists.
ian crossland
I've heard in North Korea that they don't have a word for love.
Is that correct?
tim pool
That's probably not true.
ian crossland
That was a quote, or I believe it was a...
Yunmi Park, who dissented and fled the country and said that they don't have a word for it.
phil labonte
You have to have a word for love because you have to love Dear Leader.
You have to love Kim Jong-un.
unidentified
I read they have a poo tax.
You have to actually pay the government in poop.
And I'm not even making that up.
I'm not even trying to be funny.
I read that online.
tim pool
Pay them in poop or for poop?
unidentified
Like you have to give them a certain amount of poop for fertilizer.
I'd like to fact check that.
tim pool
I don't think that's true because human waste is not good fertilizer.
unidentified
Yeah, I read it online.
tim pool
You can probably refine it, though.
You read it online.
That means it's true.
unidentified
Can we pull that up, young Jamie?
ian crossland
You can definitely get methane out of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
What do you guys think about modern-day hate speech laws being passed in America?
phil labonte
Totally against it.
tim pool
Well, it's unconstitutional.
ian crossland
It's too vague.
What is a hate speech?
phil labonte
It's been brought before the Supreme Court on more than one occasion.
And as long as you're not inciting violence, then the First Amendment protects speech, even horrible speech.
unidentified
Aren't they passing laws like in universities that if you're found to be anti-Semitic that you could get kicked out of university, or is that just...
phil labonte
That would be the university deciding that you can't say things, and they'll use hate speech as a reason, but that's not federal law saying you can't say things.
They'll say, oh, well, you said something hateful, you made other students uncomfortable, etc.
tim pool
Yeah, but if these universities receive public funds and they want a police speech, then they should lose public funds.
ian crossland
I agree with that.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
They should have to follow civil law.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
If they want public money, yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
These quasi-public-private organizations are really weird.
Like the Federal Reserve considers itself one of those two.
I don't think.
You're one or the other.
Either you're a public...
Well, I was going to say public utility, but I guess you could be publicly funded without being a utility.
tim pool
Maybe in 13 days we will have a communist administration with Tim Walz and Kamala Harris, you know?
ian crossland
Yeah, I was thinking as you guys were talking about the communism, about how kind of like totalitarianism and imperialism...
It all can kind of become one weird thing.
Like, they kind of see, like, patrolling and controlling thoughts and speech.
It doesn't just adhere to, like, communism.
It can be definitely, like...
phil labonte
Well, yeah, I mean, there's multiple...
There's different ways you can be totalitarian.
You can be, like...
There are some Islamist countries that are totalitarian.
They're theocracies.
You know, you aren't allowed to say things that would insult the prophet and they would use the force of law to prevent that.
They're police of virtue and vice and virtue, and I believe it's in Saudi Arabia.
If you're in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, you can run into the police of vice and virtue who will...
I don't know exactly if they arrest you or if they just kind of slap you around or whatever.
They can arrest you, yeah.
So, you know, there are multiple ways to be totalitarian.
It's not just communism, but...
ian crossland
Are the police of vice and virtue different than the other regular police in Saudi Arabia?
phil labonte
I believe they are.
But I'm not sure.
I don't know the in-depth situation about Saudi Arabia.
But they actually do have, like, if you break Islamic law, the police of vice and virtue will, you know, wrap you up and you can go to jail for that.
ian crossland
I think an antidote to it is to keep saying truth, is to keep, like, using your free speech in a non-adversarial way, just in a very charismatic, loving way.
Just keep doing it.
Keep being a lighthouse in the dark for people to reorient to, yeah, this is the best.
And so I keep making videos, YouTube videos, Twitch videos.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from the Post Millennial.
Kamala's UK campaign advisor pushed to kill Musk's Twitter.
In response to the reporting, Musk wrote on X, this is war.
Indeed, we have the tweet.
Exclusive documents working with Matt Taibbi report on CCD hate documents showing the Labour Party's political front objective is to, quote, kill Musk's Twitter through advertising focus, meaning harass his advertisers.
And there it is.
It says...
Annual priorities, kill Musk's Twitter, advertising focus, trigger EU and UK regulatory action, progress towards change in USA and support for Star.
They say AI voice launch Friday the 31st of May.
US policy engagement set up meetings with Klobuchar's team to seek a quote press release endorsement.
Very interesting.
So it would seem that there is, well, international interest, of course, in shutting down free speech even in the United States.
Matt Taibbi wrote, Why does Kamala Harris have UK advisors?
phil labonte
Well, I don't really know, actually.
I imagine that it maybe has something to do with a similar situation where the CIA can't actually operate in the United States, so they would go to their foreign counterparts and they would say, hey...
Look at this person because I can't actually do it.
And so like a foreign intelligence operative would look into a person in the United States and then give the information back to CIA because they're not actually able to do it.
Maybe they're getting around some kind of law by having a foreign entity do something here that the federal government isn't allowed to do.
ian crossland
Yeah, Five Eyes Spy Club.
That's what they call that.
That's kind of why they set it up, is so, you know, U.S. can't spy on its own people, but they can have England do it, or Australia do it, and then we'll spy on the Australians, because they're not allowed to do it to their, and then we'll trade the data.
It's really surreptitious.
tim pool
That's how you bypass civil rights, by having the U.K. spying on U.S. citizens, and then the U.S. goes, we didn't spy.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
U.K. did.
Yeah.
phil labonte
They still got the information.
ian crossland
I wonder if they have a server that they can both access.
phil labonte
I mean, emails.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
phil labonte
You know, they'd just be like, hey.
I think that was...
I don't know the details, but I thought that was actually proven.
Like, there was a dude that had...
A foreign intel agency spy on his girlfriend to find out if she was cheating on him or something like that.
tim pool
That probably happens all the time.
Dude, I guarantee you there's NSA dudes right now just looking at naked women.
The joke on American Dad was that the CIA has a room full of TV screens displaying the front-facing cameras while you're on the toilet.
And then Stan Smith walks in the room and like, it's just part of the background.
You see a whole bunch of faces hunched over looking down at their phones.
They're typing with their thumbs.
And it's just like, that's what the CIA does.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you notice like Mark Zuckerberg's computer, he puts tape over the camera.
Like if Zuckerberg is doing that, you best be doing that too.
But you know, you do what you want.
phil labonte
You can buy little windows or little things that you can stick on your phone over the camera and slide it over when you don't want to use it, you know?
tim pool
Yeah, but they figured you out, bro.
They put the camera in the screen now.
ian crossland
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
They figured it out.
They were like, hey, the camera's in the screen now.
Now you can't cover it.
ian crossland
Really?
I've been thinking that that would be a good thing for video chats because it will make it more eye-to-eye.
tim pool
There was a smartphone called the F1, I believe it was, had a mechanical front-facing camera.
When you turned it on, a little thing would come up and go and pop up.
So, I used it for a little while, and then I was like, eh, you know, whatever, I'm gonna upgrade to the latest Android.
I don't like these non, you know, I like the Galaxy phones, they're good.
I don't like these other Android phones.
So I asked Allison, I was like, hey, do you want to use this one?
It's a new phone, you have a new phone, and I'm gonna buy the new S-whatever.
And she's like, sure.
One day she was browsing a website, and it opened, and then closed.
You know what that means?
Website took a picture of her face.
Yep.
Where'd that picture go?
Oh, God.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And how did it get permission to use the camera and do all that stuff?
Because a lot of apps, it'll say, like, this app is requesting permission.
I suppose if you allow your browser as an app to use the camera, if a website sends in a call to take a picture of your face, it'll do it.
So to all those people out there visiting those nutty websites, I bet they got a picture of your face.
ian crossland
Yeah, be overt about it.
tim pool
And not a good picture of your face.
unidentified
What, like adult websites?
phil labonte
The O-face.
tim pool
I'm just saying naughty websites, whatever that may be.
unidentified
Holy cow.
tim pool
Yeah, I got a picture of your face making a weird face.
ian crossland
Yep.
At least one.
unidentified
Yikes.
ian crossland
Yeah, welcome to the new world.
tim pool
Aw, dude, come on.
The government's got everybody spanked, banged.
Probably, yeah.
ian crossland
I use Chrome particularly if I ever go to porn sites.
tim pool
Ian, you did content moderation for Minds, and they made you look at the worst things in human history?
ian crossland
Well, fortunately not.
Fortunately, it was reasonable to the point that I didn't have to see a lot of gore, and I didn't see any child porn.
Thank God.
tim pool
But imagine you're like...
You're working for the U.S. government, and you're in one of these data centers that is stealing it, and you're, there's like, I'm imagining at the NSA, they have just like different rooms for different things, like these are political dissidents, these are pop star stalkers, and then they have like, hell.
And they're like, the guy who walks out is just like, his hair is all messed up and his eyes are blackened.
And he's like, how's it going, guys?
And they're like, you know, the new guy walks in and he's like, who is that?
And they're like, that's Jim.
Like, why?
What's wrong with him?
Like, well, he was normal two weeks ago, but then he got relocated to the hell room.
And that's what happens to you.
ian crossland
Troops walking out to the front in World War I, seeing the guys coming back from the front, all broken and twisted.
tim pool
I imagine it's worse.
Dude, I interviewed JJ. I'm not even going to begin to describe these.
On the members-only show, we'll talk about it, but we're not going to even describe the kind of things that might appear on the show.
ian crossland
We interviewed Tim Ballard, who's basically the star, the character in, what's the name of that movie?
Tim Ballard is the guy who went down to South America to rescue the children that had been kidnapped.
What was the name of that movie?
We went and saw it.
tim pool
Sound of Freedom.
ian crossland
Yeah, Sound of Freedom.
It was based around Tim Ballard and he spent a lot of time reviewing tape, reviewing video of children and it messed, I mean, it messed him up.
And I've interviewed other people that have worked in that line of work.
And these are guys that are like seasoned professionals that go in there and come out very with a lot of PTSD, just talking to him about it.
It's like, but you can never undo that stuff.
Seeing it, just seeing it on a video.
tim pool
Yeah, well, you know, I guess if we're talking about the U.S. government, though, I wonder about the kind of people who are in those positions.
ian crossland
If it's like the same people for decades?
tim pool
No, if it was like friends with Epstein and Diddy who are in those rooms monitoring the backhaul or something.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
The fire hose.
ian crossland
People that know people.
Yeah, the fire hose.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's what we called it at Mines.
tim pool
The firehouse.
It's just getting blasted.
ian crossland
God knows what.
You don't know what's coming next, and you've just got to be like, is that safe for work?
Is that legal?
Is this one legal?
Is this one legal?
Fortunately, most of it was...
unidentified
Let's be a landscaper.
I'm not doing that job.
ian crossland
It was rough, dude.
And I didn't realize how rough it was.
I did it for about five years or four years, and I started to get to the point, because I worked seven days a week, 24-7.
I just had to make sure that it was always clear, that we were always...
Everything had been administered, and I was the only one for a long time.
And it would start to be where I'd put the work off for the day, and I'd do it for an hour really, really fast.
I'd just do it really, really quick, and I'd miss things.
I'm like, I can't do that.
And then there would be days that sometimes I wouldn't even do it.
I'd be like, I just gotta wait.
And then the next day, the queue would be doubled up, and I'm like, oh my god, I'm dreading this.
I just didn't realize how traumatizing, in retrospect, how traumatizing it was.
I just thought it was...
Boring at the time I was telling myself that I'm just it's just menial labor that I just don't but it was like simple It wasn't a lot of work.
It was just what the work itself was like And then I started seeing articles about like Facebook admins.
They're like, you know, bro We we we got to delegate this kind of work out to different brains because it's like poison for a human brain It sounds like you had no work-life balance there either.
unidentified
It's like 24 7 you have monitoring or thinking about this thing.
ian crossland
Yes, constantly.
This was what my life was for like years and You ever feel like that about social media, Tim?
unidentified
Like it's all-encompassing and it can just drive you crazy and it's always on the clock?
tim pool
I think the problem with social media is that it destroyed culture.
I don't know that I care so much about its ubiquity other than its combination of ubiquity and decentralization, which has just gutted most cultures.
It's created this short-term attention span where great works are hard to come by.
You know?
So we don't have music videos anymore.
Now we have TikTok dances with a song.
And, you know, I'll give you one example.
Actually, I don't need to give you an example.
Just look at these bands.
Look at their Spotify's.
Their number one song will be like Hit Song.
Underneath it will be Hit Song 2X Speed.
Below it will be like Hit Song Half Speed.
Below it will be like Hit Song Remix.
Because it's just for TikTok.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then they do, like, they're the chipmunks.
They chipmunkify a song.
And so you'll have a song where it's like, the guy will be singing like, you know I'm gonna come get down with it.
And then you watch it on TikTok.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, skibbity toilet.
tim pool
Yeah, just all that kind of stuff.
ian crossland
I've noticed that it incentivizes me to want to create that kind of stuff to get the algorithm to send it to the top, like shorts.
tim pool
Like albums are done?
Like music albums would be a big deal, a big release party, everyone got excited, they showed up for this big party.
ian crossland
And it encouraged bands to get together and focus for like three to six weeks to write an album.
tim pool
But it concentrated that one moment and created a cultural moment.
Now it's just a constant stream and it's flat.
unidentified
You're financially motivated to make that short form content and to pump out stuff constantly.
Like me, I only drop a YouTube video once a month or once every six weeks and it's not the best business model.
tim pool
Oh yeah, YouTube's going to punish you like crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, not the best business model.
tim pool
So there used to be a thing called skate videos where a company would put out their video and it was like an album dropping where, you know, a team would have like eight or ten writers or whatever.
And then each person have a part in the video.
And it was a big deal.
There were huge parties, premieres at movie theaters.
And it was like, wow.
And no one knew what the tricks were going to be on video.
You can't do it anymore.
You know, some have tried, and they put the video out on YouTube, but it doesn't work because there's this funny story where a dude did a trick, a really good trick, and then he was like, don't tell anybody I did it, and some little kid was across the street filming on his phone and posted it online, and everyone saw it, and it just...
Now you can't sell it.
The idea was, like, we film all these tricks, put in a video, we sell the video, and it helps the company stay afloat because it's media that people like.
Internet's gotten rid of all that stuff.
Now it's just post a clip.
It's a 10-second clip.
You're gonna watch it.
You're gonna get views.
You're gonna hopefully make money and build followers.
ian crossland
Did you find on tour that it was, like, reinvigorating for you?
Did it remind you of how it used to be to make music?
unidentified
What was that like?
phil labonte
On tour, it doesn't remind you of making music because you're performing.
So that's a whole different animal.
Recording and writing and stuff is a very different experience than being on tour and performing the songs.
ian crossland
Would you encourage bands in the modern age to tour?
phil labonte
Yes.
If you want to be a band, yes.
But it's not easy and Spotify has made it really difficult for...
It makes it easier for bands to get their music out to people, but it's not nearly as profitable as it used to be.
Like you used to go and...
Like in the 90s you would get a record deal and they would give you X amount of dollars to go and make a record.
And so...
You could either spend it all on making the record or you could spend half of it on making the record and half to live on.
And the amount of money that they gave you was significant because they knew that people were going to buy CDs.
So they knew that there was going to be a return on it.
With the advent of streaming and stuff, all that stuff changed.
Now, you can make a record for significantly less nowadays than you could in the 90s.
You don't have to go to a studio for everything.
You can do most of it either in one room or at home or in a smaller space than a studio or whatever.
But you still have to be able to record drums and stuff like that, at least if you're in a band.
But man, it's not the same with streaming.
You just don't make, you know, you don't make nearly the money that you used to make, you know, or bands used to make.
ian crossland
Do you think this is more of an ethical question?
Do you think that that's righteous?
phil labonte
No, because Spotify pays for a license for the song.
And then you get like, you know,.0007 cents for every stream.
It's horrible.
ian crossland
I went through a phase where I was like, I think actors are overpaid.
Like, a guy does a movie and gets $7 million.
phil labonte
How many people actually get that?
tim pool
That's fine.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
You think so?
tim pool
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Like a professional athlete?
Because it's just such a few people, like it's the best of the best of the best.
tim pool
Robert Downey Jr.
is going to get $30 million to do a movie.
ian crossland
Yeah, and they're like, what did he do?
He sat around for six weeks?
Like, I've done that job.
It's not worth $60 million or whatever they're getting paid at the top.
tim pool
Because Robert Downey Jr.
makes a billion dollar movie.
ian crossland
I guess he's getting a percentage of the return.
tim pool
No, he gets a $30 million.
So I think for like Iron Man 3 or something, it was like $30 million salary.
And then he probably gets a couple points, you know, or whatever.
But they know.
At first, they didn't want him.
They didn't want Robert Downey Jr.
for the first Iron Man because he was like an addict and unreliable and then he proved himself.
But it was a smash hit.
Iron Man was amazing.
Everybody loved it.
Everyone loved Robert Downey Jr.
They loved him so much, after they killed off Tony Stark, they're bringing him back as Doctor Doom!
ian crossland
So then the movie industry is still making money on sales for tickets and stuff, but the music industry has kind of collapsed in that respect?
tim pool
Well, yeah, because there are some services that are like Spotify for movies, but for the most part, they have this...
And this is probably the way it should be done right now for music, but for movies...
So right now, I think Spider-Man No Way Home is not available on Disney+.
If you want to watch it, you've got to buy it on Amazon.
Because I think it's a Sony movie, so I don't know if it'll ever even be, but it's not a good example.
But when a movie goes to theaters, after it comes out, it goes to Amazon where you can buy it.
Then eventually it'll end up on one of these streaming services as like, you know, you pay 15 bucks a month and you get access to movies.
Netflix used to have movies, they don't anymore.
Now it's like all Netflix stuff.
It's just like a unique thing.
ian crossland
So Spotify should have like a buy this album $9.99 for the first month or three months or something and then it goes to streaming?
tim pool
Yeah, it should.
phil labonte
I don't know that Spotify should do it because the actual person that made the record, you might want to say, okay, we're going to wait to put it on Spotify.
Or Spotify might say, you know, maybe they'd say we're not going to take it right away.
Because if Spotify takes it and puts it on sale, Spotify is going to take a cut of that.
And I don't know how much they're going to...
They're going to say they're hosting it, so they're going to say, well, we're going to take a boatload of it.
They're going to literally charge you for digital space.
Record companies come up with all kinds of crazy ways to backcharge you, so I imagine Spotify would do the same thing.
ian crossland
Because it's kind of like the modern record company is Spotify...
Or Bandcamp?
phil labonte
No, no, because with a record company, no, no, it's not Bandcamp.
Because record companies are like, they give you something.
Record companies actually go out of their way to promote your music.
Record companies advance you money to do the record.
And record companies own the record, right?
So when you make a record, when you make a record for the record company, they own that music, and you only get a portion of it.
Spotify never owns your music.
They license it.
From the record company or from you if you made the record.
ian crossland
They do the promotion.
They could.
phil labonte
Spotify doesn't promote.
They put you in their algorithm.
ian crossland
Right, right.
So YouTube would promote a video to the front page of YouTube.
Spotify could promote their up-and-coming $10 for the newest albums.
You see what's hot.
phil labonte
You pay Spotify.
They don't promote you.
You pay Spotify to get a better spot in the algorithm.
unidentified
Yeah, like labels will help you with like playlist seating and things of that nature.
phil labonte
What you want to do is you want to get your band onto play or your song or whatever onto playlists.
And as you release music, your position and the algorithm gets better for you essentially.
So if you put one song out, it's going to do X. Then you wait six weeks or whatever and put another song out, it gets better.
And you wait another six weeks and you put another song out and it gets better.
And that's the reason why bands don't put out a record.
And then have the singles come out after.
It used to be you'd release a record, your first single would come out, then however long, three months later you put another single out, three months later you put another single out.
Nowadays you put out a song, then you wait a few weeks, six weeks or whatever, then you put out another song, then another song, then another song, and then another song, and then you put the record out.
ian crossland
I guess, oh, okay.
It makes sense, I mean, that you can do that, because the whole putting a record out all at once is just kind of a limitation of the creation of the body of, like, the record itself.
It's like, I'm not going to make 12 records.
I'm going to make one with as many on it.
tim pool
You could buy it.
They used to have CDs with two songs on them.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, like an EP or A-side, B-side or something.
tim pool
Yeah, and they had two sets too with two songs.
ian crossland
I guess you could have went that route, but to be in a studio is just easier for bands to get in there, record all of it at once.
phil labonte
Well, that's what you do.
You go in, you record it all at once, and then you release one single.
Then you release, six weeks later, you release another single that you recorded in that one recording session.
And then you record, you know, you release a third single.
And then you release a fourth single.
Maybe you put out four or five singles, then you release the record.
But the point of doing that is you're getting the best results in the algorithm that you can get for the record to come out.
ian crossland
Because now it's relying on a digital algorithm instead of radio jockeys knowing the song ahead of time and deciding what to give.
phil labonte
It's both.
tim pool
The people who are on the playlist will just be like, nah, we don't want this one.
phil labonte
Yeah.
When you had radio, you would have someone at your label that would be your radio guy that would know the program directors of the radio stations that would play your style of music.
So there was a guy that used to work for Razor& Tie when we were at Razor& Tie.
His name was Kurt.
He was great.
And he would know all the program directors at the radio stations that were likely to play us.
So when we had new stuff coming out, he'd call them up.
He'd be like, hey, are you going to play the new All That Remains song?
You know, come on, you got to play it.
Have you heard it?
Did you take a listen to it?
And basically he would just sit there and pester him to promote the program directors to listen to the song and see if they'll go ahead and start testing it to see how it tests at the radio station.
Or if you have a history with the radio station, they'll just say, yes, the new All That Remains song is coming out.
We'll play it.
You know, like after...
Go ahead.
So our first, our first, you know, the first songs that we got into the radio, it took convincing because what they want, what radio stations want is they want to build a relationship.
They want to know if, you know, all that remains is coming to town.
We want to be able to say, hey, they're going to come to town and it's, you know, blah, blah, blah radio station that's bringing them to town and they're going to come into the studio and they're going to talk on, you know, we're going to do an interview and blah, blah, blah.
And we're going to be at the show hanging out with the band and stuff.
And they want to know that you're going to keep putting singles out that they can play.
So that way they'll have...
You as one of the bands and people will listen to that radio station if they like the band.
So getting into that kind of group or getting into a radio station is harder.
But once you get a few songs that they like, then they're like, okay, we will definitely play the new All That Remains song.
There's a bunch of radio stations that nowadays there aren't as many terrestrial radio stations as there were 10 years ago.
But there were a lot of radio stations that when we put out a song, they were like, yes, of course, we're going to play the All That Remains song because we've got great history with them.
tim pool
We're going to go to Super Chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with everyone you know, and become a member at TimKest.com.
We're going to have that Josh Siter social experiment expose video up Friday in the morning at some point for members only.
And, of course, we'll have that members only show coming up at 10 p.m.
tonight, but for now, we'll grab your Super Chats.
Legama says, Tim, I was worried you'd call it quits a few days ago when you had Landau on.
Good to see you still with us, at least for now.
Cheers.
Well, here, here.
Thanks for the Super Chat, good sir.
ian crossland
Shout out to Dave Landau.
tim pool
Giza Moonshadow says, Kamala is close family friend with Lauren, there's an E at the end of it, Powell Jobs, the Atlantic owner, and she is besties with Ghislaine Maxwell.
This is why she did a press conference on the Hitler hit piece.
Indeed, that was their plan.
Michael Bohr says, congratulations Tim on becoming a father.
My wife is 21 weeks pregnant after four years of infertility.
Well, congratulations.
ian crossland
Oh, that's awesome, dude.
tim pool
Stacy Strickland says, Hey Tim, please shout out my husband, Mark.
His birthday is today.
And he is now the big 3-0.
Dirty 30.
Thank you so much.
Congratulations.
Happy birthday, Mark.
Good job.
phil labonte
Mark.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
What's this we have here?
Villainous Visa has been watching since Trump was elected and glad to see you still doing the live show with my favorite professional stick yeller.
Also got my got hand surgery tomorrow.
Wish me a speedy recovery.
Congrats, by the way.
Very much.
Thank you very much.
phil labonte
Good luck and best wishes, man.
ian crossland
Yes.
Rest those forearms, baby.
tim pool
Ted Thornton says, their source close to Trump is a homeless man under the overpass that peed on Trump Tower.
The overpass that peed on Trump Tower?
That's the joke I like to make.
The media will be like, a source close to Nancy Pelosi's office suggests that blah, blah, blah, and the source is a homeless guy in the alley.
Well, yes, he's close to her office.
What do you think we meant?
They say, I love it when they say, according to a source who's familiar with Trump's thinking...
And then they just write whatever.
It's like, do people really fall for this?
A source who knows Trump's thinking says that Trump wants ice cream right now.
What?
You're going to read his mind?
Yes.
unidentified
I believe it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Who knows what the CIA's got going on, right?
Alright, what do we got here?
Ian Slater says, what if Dems go for Geneva rules?
World Court.
What does that mean?
I don't know.
phil labonte
I'm going to look it up.
tim pool
Well, I know about the World Court and the Geneva Convention and all that stuff, but what does that mean?
Democrats go for it?
Like they do it here?
They want to put it here or something?
phil labonte
I'm not sure.
tim pool
All right.
Shadav the Vedmark says, Breaking news, Sargon's channel is re-monetized.
Source, his live stream like 20 minutes ago, which ended now.
Yeah, he messaged me about it.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
They brought him back!
Good.
Now that they've realized they should embrace podcasting.
ian crossland
Yeah, and Carl's very, very balanced, dude.
tim pool
You know what's fascinating is that YouTube had the first big podcasts and rejected them and smashed them.
phil labonte
Oops.
tim pool
It's crazy, right?
They were scared.
They were like, no, no, we don't want this.
We don't want podcasts.
Now podcasts are the biggest, most lucrative thing ever.
They're like, we should do podcasts.
Well, it's too bad, YouTube.
Man, you really screwed that one up, you morons.
ian crossland
Still got a head start, though.
X is coming, but you still got a head start.
tim pool
I don't know if X is going to be able to pull it off.
ian crossland
I know they need a good video searching system.
tim pool
No, the issue is that, you know, seven, eight years ago, when we're all producing YouTube videos, YouTube, you could see in the analytics when they just downranked all podcasts.
It was basically, there were no YouTube podcasts at the time, it was YouTube commentary, and they were like, we don't want this, downrank it.
Now it's the biggest media and the most lucrative, and YouTube is like, let's make a podcast section.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Now they're prioritizing it and boosting channels, and it's too bad.
It's too bad.
They could have been number one.
ian crossland
You still can be.
Boost my channel.
unidentified
You'll be number one.
tim pool
They are technically number one, but it's usually short form.
So, you know, a lot of podcasts are long.
You'll watch, you know, be like 45 minutes, maybe two hours.
Like this one on Apple or Spotify or whatever is going to be like, you know, two hours long.
But on YouTube, it's 10-minute videos.
And so they're calling those podcasts, which is technically true, but...
unidentified
Oh.
ian crossland
Like 10-minute interviews?
tim pool
Well, like when I do a segment on my morning show and it's 10 minutes long.
ian crossland
They call it a podcast?
tim pool
It is a podcast.
It's part of my podcast.
ian crossland
It's funny that it all comes from the iPod.
It all comes from Steve Jobs and that Apple podcast.
tim pool
No, I don't believe that's true.
ian crossland
Well, that's what he claimed, Steve Jobs.
tim pool
Podcasting was created by some dude.
We talked about this on the show already.
ian crossland
Yeah, but then I looked it up and I got it that Jobs was like, they named it after my iPod.
tim pool
No, POD meant something.
ian crossland
iPod podcast.
We can look into it after the show.
tim pool
We did this on the show.
Oh, the etymology says, say, it's a portmanteau of iPod and broadcast.
unidentified
Yeah, Apple.
tim pool
Let's see, Ben Hammersley, who coined it in February 2004, writing an article for the Guard newspaper.
It was audio blogging, community in September 2004, blah, blah, blah, an iPod or dev mailing list.
unidentified
this.
tim pool
Okay, so maybe you're right.
It was adopted by podcaster Adam Curry.
Despite the etymology, the content can be accessed using any computer.
The term podcast predates Apple's edition of podcasting features the iPod and iTunes software.
ian crossland
The idea of podcasting came after people started saying it, but it was definitely that pod, that iPod.
tim pool
iPod.
ian crossland
Such a funny nerd.
tim pool
They were awful at the time.
It was funny because, like, MP3 players were trash.
ian crossland
Did you get the first iPod at the time?
tim pool
No, I did not.
I had a much, much cheaper and more effective digital MP3 player.
ian crossland
Yeah, they were.
tim pool
It was this big, and I put a memory card in it, and I had, you know, I don't know, all of the songs that I wanted on it.
ian crossland
You had, like, those circular dial things that you would spin your finger around on, the one button in the middle you'd push?
tim pool
I hated iPods.
ian crossland
Oh, what groundbreaking.
Because I used to have a CD, Walkman, that I'd do.
tim pool
Dude, before any of that, I had a PDA. It was the Windows PDA, and it had a stylus, and I'd put songs on it, and I'd plug in my headphones, put it in my pocket, and I'd use that.
Pretty sure that was before the iPod.
Actually, this would have been, yeah, I think just before.
Was it a personal digital assistant?
ian crossland
PDA? Yeah.
tim pool
And it had a PCI adapter, so you could plug it in, and then it was like this massive thing, and you'd stick an internet card to give it Wi-Fi.
It was crazy.
unidentified
That's pretty nice sounding.
tim pool
I don't even know.
How do you remember where I got that thing?
ian crossland
What year?
tim pool
This was like 2004, or like end of 2003-ish.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
Because these things, it was really funny, too.
I remember when I had a candy bar phone, and I worked at O'Hare, and all the dudes from the Philippines had more advanced phones from Asia, and they were showing, like, the huge screens and, like, the games, and I was like, whoa!
And I looked at him, I was playing Snake.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
And I was like, wow!
tim pool
And then I upgraded the singular rocker, it was called, and it had speakers on the side, it could play MP3s.
Yeah, do you remember that one?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
And then they told me it had unlimited messaging, so I downloaded AOL Instant Messenger and I was using it, and then they billed me like $8,000.
ian crossland
Did you dispute it?
tim pool
Yeah, and they told me it's too bad.
ian crossland
What?
tim pool
Yeah, I said, screw off.
And I was like, okay, bye.
I was like, I don't got any money.
Later.
It's like, I work at the airport, dude.
It's crazy.
It's nuts.
Then we got the, what was it, the Razor?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Oh yeah, the Razer.
My first, I got the Galaxy S1. It was just called the Galaxy S. I was like, I guess I'll get one of these phones and I'll use this.
ian crossland
Is that like the first smartphone you had?
tim pool
Yeah.
Wild.
That was 2010, I think.
phil labonte
The first thing that was close to a smartphone that I had was the Sidekick.
ian crossland
Oh yeah!
phil labonte
The T-Mobile Sidekick.
unidentified
I had that too.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, that thing.
unidentified
I had a Blackberry before that with a little spinny ball.
phil labonte
Yep.
A Blackberry.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
That was fun.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Butter Toast 1403 says there's already people saying their printed ballot is stating they didn't select a candidate or it's flipped their vote.
Multiple posts on FB from Texarkana.
AR Citizens posting about it.
I can't verify the authenticity yet.
Interesting.
Mark Clancy says Judge Joe Brown has pointed out the Biden that Biden can grant asylum to all illegals since 2021 and maybe they can become citizens in five years legal to vote midterms.
Yep.
Indeed, indeed.
Drunk and Rambling says Phil's right.
It isn't the legitimacy of the story.
They don't need evidence.
They just need a rumor.
ian crossland
It is very concerning.
tim pool
Yep.
The Honium says the DOD directive, I believe it's in context of National Guard counter drug operations with state law enforcement mostly.
I'm also suspicious though.
Yeah, what was that that you were referring to earlier?
phil labonte
I forget the...
tim pool
That's a directive that allows them to use lethal force on American citizens?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
phil labonte
And just because it's intended to be for drug enforcement doesn't mean that it couldn't be used for other activities that the government wants to do.
ian crossland
This is like people that question the government or some ridiculous phrase.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Peter Gohawk says, this is why we need a federal law for voting.
Well, like I was saying, the Constitution prescribes a single day for voting, election day, and then Democrats decided they would have election month and election after month.
So now they're saying that we're not going to have the election results in for 10 to 13 days in Maricopa, and Fox is saying we won't know the results of the election until at least the 9th.
phil labonte
It's unbelievable.
tim pool
I mean, that's just no.
You know what the issue is that Republicans are like, okay.
It's like, what do you mean?
There's rules.
The Constitution is election day.
So you just go, no.
We have election day.
Election day is over.
What's the result?
Well, we're still waiting for votes.
It doesn't matter if the votes come in, the election's over.
How stupid?
How does it make sense?
Today's the election day.
Everybody cast your ballots.
My vote will be there tomorrow.
Okay, well, tomorrow is not election day.
Election day is today.
We're counting the votes today.
Yeah, but my vote will be there tomorrow.
It's like, okay, well, here's what we're going to do.
When your vote comes in tomorrow, there's a trash can and we'll put it right in there because that's not election day.
But Republicans just go, aww, they're going to count votes after.
I guess they win.
I don't understand why any—and I'm talking about the politicians and the lawyers.
Just be like, no, we don't count votes after Election Day.
It's like, you have one day to vote.
You want to do mail-in voting?
Fine.
The ballot's got to be here on Election Day to be counted.
Election month.
unidentified
How are they able to do that, though?
Is the implication that the Democrats control that decision?
tim pool
The implication is that Republicans just are, I don't know, will-less.
Like, one really good example is how Christians don't vote.
And this is, like, tremendously frustrating.
In Charleston, it's a really good example.
Yeah, they don't vote, though.
So, you know, like, obviously they vote to a certain degree, but they largely don't.
And what some people say is that Christians believe that they only have to go to church and their duty is fulfilled.
And then it's just like, well, you can't fulfill God's mandate on earth if you don't participate in earthly things.
But regardless of that, Charlestown is a really good example of they have a Latin mass.
They had this procession where 2,000 Catholics marched down the street in protest of the things we're seeing culturally.
And then city council in a West Virginia town is liberal, progressive.
And I was talking to one of the city council members who was conservative, and he was like, yeah, it's Charlestown passed an ordinance in support of Pride Month.
And I was like, how?
What?
unidentified
Charlestown?
tim pool
I was like, we're in West Virginia.
And he goes, oh, nobody votes.
Conservatives don't vote.
And I was like, you just had 2,000 Catholics marching through the streets.
He's like, yeah, none of them vote.
It's really difficult to get them to actually go out and vote.
Well, this is what happens, you know?
Maybe this is the time where they're going to wake up and they're going to go out and vote in bigger numbers, but you'd think Christians would vote.
I guess they don't.
We'll see this time around, though.
We will see.
Because, uh, they, uh, they, if they don't.
All right, Ricardo Bonilla says, I already cancel, uh, casted my early, casted?
You already cast your early ballot for Trump here in Tucson, Arizona, and my two adult kids are also voting for Trump.
MAGA. Maga?
unidentified
Maga.
tim pool
Khalil Rose says, glad you're not quitting.
Congrats on the new family.
I listen literally every morning in the gym.
Fight, fight, fight.
Phil, you're the ish.
Ian, you're okay too.
JK, love you, bro.
phil labonte
Cheers, man.
tim pool
So there's also YouTube.com slash Timcast News.
For those that have not subscribed, you should.
Because that show is actually bigger than IRL and has been forever.
Gets way more views per segment and gets way more views overall in less time, actually.
So IRL is two hours.
The morning show is an hour 20.
The morning show is broken into segments and gets substantially more viewers.
ian crossland
People love a good stream of consciousness.
That's for sure.
tim pool
Yeah, that's why they watch, I suppose.
Then we have The Culture War on Friday.
This Friday we're going to be discussing the fall of empires with Rudyard Lynch, and I don't want to say who else is coming, I don't know if they're confirmed, but we're going to have a mini-discussion and debate on what's going to happen after the election, civil war, etc., in greater depth, which should be shocking and fascinating at the same time.
Dud Summon says, Ian has no idea about Australian politics.
Goff was a disaster.
ian crossland
I don't care.
He got removed from office by the governor general, whether he's a disaster or not.
The people chose him and then the king removed him or MI6 removed him.
That's not what I'm talking about is his quality of governance.
I'm talking about the rule of law and people's sovereignty to elect their own leaders.
tim pool
The real fallen demon says Ian is wrong.
No coup in Australia.
Goff Whitlam got in on withdrawal from Vietnam but also brought in a bunch of Soviet-style reforms, upset the right of the country.
Kerr used his constitutional power to remove him.
ian crossland
Yeah, Kerr apparently was the CIA whistleblower said that Kerr, the CIA referred to Kerr as their man.
The CIA, the American CIA referred to Kerr as their man.
And Kerry is the governor general that had Goff removed.
You guys should look into it, man.
phil labonte
And your problem's not the monarch, then?
ian crossland
Well, the monarch's basically controlled by the CIA and MI6. And they're using imperial strategy.
They're using imperial decree to remove prime ministers.
Or they did need 75.
tim pool
Normies Get Out says you can't have capitalism without a free market, and no such market exists today.
That is not correct.
It's just in the middle of the ocean.
So it's not a big market, but among the ultra-wealthy it is.
There are some countries, actually, where you can probably just do whatever you want.
phil labonte
I don't know.
You can say that, but it is a market that's necessary, and it doesn't have to be a completely free market.
That's why China went from being basically objectively, like, abject poverty for the vast majority of its citizens in the 70s to, you know, having a massive, massive economy now.
unidentified
All right, let's see what we got here in the old Super Chats.
tim pool
Let's see.
Matthew Picard says, It's good to know you're okay, Brandon.
Glad you came out of the incident unscathed.
We all know Mayo Mullen would have pooped his pants and kissed his boyfriend.
Go watch Mad Men.
unidentified
Yes, go watch Mad Men.
Thank you, dude.
I appreciate you.
Yeah, I'm about to pass Danny Mullen subscribers pretty soon.
I'll be dropping the Buckingham Mayonnaise Mullen merch.
ian crossland
Where do you get that?
Where do people get that merch?
unidentified
Buckinghamshop.com.
Coming soon.
Not yet, though.
I still have about 30,000 subscribers yet, but...
Yeah, Tim, this guy at the beginning of my YouTube career tried to like, you know, badmouth me and kind of stifle my growth and I squirted him in the face with mayonnaise in the streets of Austin, Texas and it became a bit of a meme and then now I'm about to pass him in subscribers so it's kind of funny, kind of sweet.
tim pool
Alright.
Schlip says, Tim, you're like my dad, except you're still here.
Also, any word on the free boards for first 100 subs to the boonies?
I got the first email about it.
Indeed, they're all sitting out there, and I'm going to go sign them, and then we're going to ship them all out.
So everybody will be getting their boards, and we're very excited for that.
Very cool.
And we sold out once again of the Step on Snack and Find Out boards, which puts us at like, I don't know, 350 boards sold in a month, just on that one.
And then the boobies sold over two, probably close to 300 already as well.
Shout out to Sam for his boobies board.
Everybody loves the blue-footed booby.
Do you guys know what a blue-footed booby is?
ian crossland
I do now.
tim pool
They are Galapagos birds, I believe, and they have blue feet, and they are not scared of people.
So when people show up, they just look at them, and they're all weird, and they got big faces, and they're funny.
I don't know why they're called boobies, but people love it.
People love boobies.
ian crossland
I wonder why they're called boobies.
phil labonte
Indeed.
All right, all right.
tim pool
CJ says, what do we got here?
Congrats on getting married.
Best wishes raising based Beanie Baby.
I think Republicans won't get the House, Senate, and President.
They will make gains at state level.
What does the crew think?
phil labonte
I mean, I would like to see them get the House and the Senate, but I mean, I don't know.
I think that the executive is the target for the left, so I think they're intent on keeping Trump out.
I don't think that there's going to be much...
I don't think there will be significant shenanigans down ballot.
So I would like to see as many Republicans win as possible.
ian crossland
I have an answer to why they're called boobies, by the way.
This is according to Brave AI, based on the provided search results.
The bird is called booby due to a mishearing of the Spanish word bobo, which means clumsy or foolish.
The early European colonists may have characterized these birds as stupid or clumsy.
tim pool
I think they are.
Watch videos of them.
They're hilarious.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, they like walk and their feet are like this.
unidentified
Can you get one?
tim pool
I don't think so.
unidentified
I want to get one.
tim pool
Actually, you probably could.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't think they're in danger anymore.
unidentified
Imagine having a booby and a capybara in your backyard.
tim pool
That would be so great.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
A booby would probably fly away, though.
unidentified
Oh, they fly?
tim pool
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they fly.
unidentified
Shucks.
tim pool
Yeah.
But capybaras are great.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
And I want one.
tim pool
You ever see those videos where they're just chilling in hot springs?
unidentified
Yeah, I want one really bad.
tim pool
Or like when all the animals are chilling around them?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
They're like the friend magnet of animals.
They're just like all these, you know.
tim pool
You ever see those videos where like all the animals are drinking at the watering hole and like the lion is there and the gazelle is there but they're just like, we have a truce.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, because you can't screw around with the watering hole, you know?
Everybody needs it.
If you get into a fight there, like, you're in trouble.
phil labonte
Tell that to crocodiles.
Or, not crocodiles, gators.
tim pool
But everything's a prey to the gator, you know what I mean?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So they're all worried about that.
But, like, the lion and the gazelle are sitting there just drinking the water, like, we'll get to it later.
Right now, it's like, if we get into a fight at the water and we can't get water, we're in trouble.
phil labonte
I'm hungry, but I'm more thirsty than I am hungry.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, killing an animal in the water would taint it for everybody.
Maybe they do understand that.
tim pool
All right, what have we here?
Call Me Tag says, Congratulations, Tim and Allison.
Parenthood is the greatest pursuit any one of us can make.
Very happy for you.
Today is my son's birthday.
He just turned four.
Love him with all of my heart.
Hashtag blessed.
unidentified
Happy birthday.
tim pool
It was the weirdest thing in the world to see a tweet from Newsweek talking about me announcing marriage and a child.
I was like, I'm scrolling Twitter, I'm looking at the news, and then there's a big picture of me, and it's like Newsweek.
Tim Pool announces restructuring due to marriage and new child.
I was like, why did they write this?
unidentified
That's weird.
phil labonte
Because you're big news, Tim.
unidentified
I guess.
phil labonte
Big time, Tim.
Influencer.
unidentified
Congratulations, by the way, brother.
tim pool
Oh, I appreciate it.
unidentified
How long's the babies due?
tim pool
I don't know if I'm supposed to say.
unidentified
Oh, that's okay.
Sorry if those...
tim pool
Yeah, but, you know, soon.
phil labonte
Not more...
Not ten months.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Soon.
unidentified
I got one coming in about nine weeks.
Very, very excited.
tim pool
Oh, right.
Congratulations.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Based.
That is very based.
All right, what do we got here?
Brandon Whitley says, Alex Jones has been saying exactly what Phil is saying, but not saying maybe.
Saying it's 100% the plan unless Trump gets ahead and calls it out.
Uh-oh.
ian crossland
Well done.
tim pool
Let's see.
What is this?
Tuge technician?
Is that how you say that?
Ian...
Togue?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Oh.
tim pool
Ian rolls 20s under pressure.
ian crossland
That's true sometimes, sir.
Thank you.
tim pool
Yeah, so the meme is that, you know, in Dungeons& Dragons, do you know how to play D&D? Oh, no.
If you roll a 1, it's a critical failure.
It's just the worst possible thing.
If you roll a 20, it's a critical success.
It's guaranteed to hit.
So, like, it could be, you need, you can't, your guy is too weak.
You've got a guy, he's got no strength, and he's fighting a gigantic monster.
There's no way you can possibly damage him.
Then you roll a 20, it's a guaranteed success.
And then the master makes up some weird reason how it works, and it's hilarious.
ian crossland
You hit him in the eye, his one weak spot that you didn't know about.
tim pool
No, but you've got to be more fun than that.
So it's like, I have a level 1 squire.
I mean, the squire's not a real roll, but let's say you just started and there's a level 20 dragon.
You can deal no damage, you don't have enough strength.
And then you have to be like, you swing your sword and it hits the toe of the dragon, which makes the dragon laugh, and he lifts up his toe and looks at it, but then rolls backward accidentally, flipping down, falling down a hill and then banging his head against a tree and going unconscious.
unidentified
Bang, that's Ian?
tim pool
So basically rolling a 20 is when you act like you shouldn't be able to succeed, but you do.
You KO. Critical failure.
So they say Ian either just totally misses or just totally nails it.
ian crossland
You know what helps me totally nail it and roll 20s in a high-pressure conversation is streaming live in the morning.
When you go live and go stream of consciousness for an hour or two hours and you are rolling, you have a fantastic memory.
It is loosening up my memory.
It's awesome.
tim pool
Alright, David Foster says, I'm the executive producer for Redacted News.
If you ever need any help with your studio stuff, let me know.
Can help you get it set.
Love the show, don't leave.
Well, we got some plans in the works, but things are going.
Things are going.
Matthew McMillan says, Tim, did you hear some of the Daily Wire's computers fried themselves the same day as yours?
It wasn't the same day, but yes, Michael Knowles had the exact same issue.
The control, well, it's almost, the control board, they were trying to go live and it just exploded.
So I don't think it literally exploded.
It shut down on them.
They don't know why.
And it's like, how about that?
Very strange.
unidentified
What do you think is behind it?
tim pool
Yeah, sometimes computers break.
unidentified
It's coincidence.
Yeah.
tim pool
I think the issue may be that I don't know, does the Daily Wire go live all the time?
I mean, I don't think they're on YouTube live.
They may be.
phil labonte
I assume they go live on the...
tim pool
Members only, right?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Indeed.
unidentified
The Ben Shapiro of Daily Wire?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, Michael Knowles was tweeting that he was trying to do his show live, and then...
All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.
What have we got here?
Edmondo says, Super cool to see Brandon on the show.
Sorry to hear about what happened to you and your crew, but glad you're all right.
Much love and keep on cold-ass riding, brother.
unidentified
Yeah, can you imagine if I got shot in the head?
That would have been terrible.
tim pool
You didn't get shot, right?
unidentified
I didn't get shot.
tim pool
That's crazy.
unidentified
How many people got hit?
tim pool
Well, that's the thing about switches is they miss.
unidentified
Terrible aim.
phil labonte
I imagine they weren't front sight and both hands on it.
unidentified
I'm not a gangster and I don't want any problem with anybody.
I didn't work with the police to get these people arrested.
I don't want any problems.
I want it to be done with the shooting.
But yo, they have terrible aim.
Pathetic, pathetic aim.
Well, you're right across the street.
60 rounds, you only landed four.
tim pool
Oh, that's a switch.
That's why full auto is...
It's not practical.
Democrats are like, we have to ban full auto, and it's like, dude, full auto, these people miss everything.
unidentified
I'm an example.
tim pool
Did anyone ever play a video game with full auto?
Come on.
They simulate when you're spraying and you're missing, and then you're trying to hold the recoil back.
phil labonte
To be fair, dudes that are gangbanging and stuff, they're not at the range.
unidentified
They never hit the range.
phil labonte
Because if you have a full-auto Glock, like I've shot a full-auto Glock, and you can control them, but you're going to have both hands on it, and you're going to be looking down the sights.
That's not cool.
tim pool
No, I mean, none of it's cool.
Don't shoot people.
All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to the show, share it with everyone you know, become a member at TimCast.com, because we're going to go in deep detail on this story and more stories that you've got for us, Brandon.
So I think it'll be really interesting if you guys want to hear what happened in Chicago.
I know I certainly do.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.
And again, smash that like button.
Brandon, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified
I have a video coming out about life in South Lebanon, either tomorrow or the next day.
I'm a bit worried that it's going to get my channel in some hot water.
So if you guys could just search that out when I drop it, I'd really appreciate that.
tim pool
Right on.
ian crossland
Great to meet you, man.
Casting the story.
Congratulations on the big news.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
ian crossland
Coming up with the child and everything.
unidentified
Dream come true.
ian crossland
See you, homie.
unidentified
Biggest accomplishment of my life, having a kid, swear to God.
phil labonte
God, that's awesome, man.
ian crossland
Hey, follow me at Ian Crossland.
And seriously, I do go live in the mornings.
Not every morning, but pretty frequently.
I like to go live in the day at some point.
So follow me at YouTube at Ian Crossland.
Twitch, big time on Twitch and on X. Ian Crossland.
unidentified
I'll see you then.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can check out our new video for this song called Know Tomorrow.
You can check out Divine and you can check out Let You Go all on YouTube.
And don't forget, The Left Lane is for Crime.
tim pool
Right on, everybody.
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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