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Harris CNN Interview ALREADY SLAMMED Over Preview PROVING Hypocrisy w/Joel Pollak | Timcast IRL
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unidentified
I don't even want to say it.
tim pool
The big news, the only thing anyone cares about is that Kamala Harris did a pre-recorded 18-minute interview with Tim Waltz, and that's like the headline.
And I'm sitting here being like, is this really the big story?
I mean, there's a bunch of little stories, there's a bunch of small stories, but the big political one that everyone wants to talk about is that Kamala Harris did an 18-minute pre-recorded interview, and it's just completely meaningless.
Except for the fact that we get to rag on her, and she's already getting roasted, because in a preview clip published by CNN, she says that her values haven't changed, despite flip-flopping on literally every position and adopting Donald Trump's positions.
So, at the very least, we get to roast her.
Now, that interview will be airing later tonight, but we do have a clip from it, so we'll talk about that.
Now, Donald Trump has proposed 10 questions, and they're pretty good.
Basically, it's like, if you're going to fix the economy, why aren't you doing it now?
You've been in office for three and a half years.
And I really don't think Dana Bash over at CNN is going to ask any real questions, nor, honestly, do I even care.
But there's some interesting news.
RFK Jr.
is going to remain on the ballot in North Carolina and some other swing states.
And the question is, if that's the case, they say, we can't change the ballots.
RFK's on it.
It's just too bad.
What about Joe Biden?
How are they taking Joe Biden's name off the ballot for Kamala Harris but leaving RFK Jr.' 's on?
Doesn't quite make sense.
So we'll talk about that.
And then a big story is Donald Trump once again getting into it with pro-lifers.
He wants the government or insurance companies to cover the cost of IVF.
Trump is correct.
And I think his position on this is right.
But we'll talk about it and we'll get into why that should be the case or what he's actually suggesting about it.
And there are still many pro-lifers basically saying, we don't have any loyalty to Trump.
We will not support him unless he is anti-abortion, which is like, Okay, I don't know who else you're going to vote for, but we'll talk about it.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Joel Pollack.
joel pollak
How are you doing?
Good to be here.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Who are you?
What do you do?
joel pollak
I am the Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart News.
tim pool
We like Breitbart.
joel pollak
Yeah.
And the author of the new book, The Agenda, What Trump Should Do in His First 100 Days in Office.
tim pool
So this is basically the new Project 2025?
joel pollak
This was written before Project 2025 came out.
I actually didn't know about Project 2025 when I wrote this book.
I was just angry about Trump being convicted in Manhattan.
And I thought, instead of being angry, let me do something productive.
So I thought ahead to January 20th and thought, what does it feel like?
What does it look like when Donald Trump takes the oath of office?
What can he do?
What can he offer people to get them over this obsession with the court cases and the polls and the pundits and Kamala Harris's CNN interview?
And just talk to people about what you're going to do and what you can deliver.
And I visualized that moment and immediately I realized the media narrative was going to shift as soon as he took the oath of office.
They want to talk about the candidates for 2028.
They're not going to let him govern.
They're going to call him a lame duck.
So I said, okay, he's got to come in explosively with a list of things that he can do in the first week, really.
And so I've got over 200 executive orders, policies, actions that he can take within the constitutional limits.
tim pool
Arrests that he can make.
joel pollak
Arrests.
Investigations to begin, pardons to give.
All kinds of things he can do right away, and it's a positive vision.
It's basically a formula, I think, for restoring America to what it ought to be.
unidentified
Right on.
joel pollak
And he can do it right away.
And he has to, because the pressure to sideline him is going to be incredibly intense.
tim pool
Well, we'll get into it.
It should be fun.
Ian's hanging out.
ian crossland
Do you have the pardon of Ross Albrecht by name in there?
joel pollak
I do.
I do.
Chapter one.
Chapter one.
Let's see the page.
I have it right there.
ian crossland
Ross.
hannah claire brimelow
Libertarians everywhere are waiting with bated breath.
joel pollak
Yeah, page four.
ian crossland
That's it.
joel pollak
Item number seven, yeah.
Well, I'm commuting the sentence, not pardoning.
tim pool
Release and... Yeah.
Alright, so Ian's here.
ian crossland
I'm here.
I've done it.
I did a cover of My Hero last night.
tim pool
Take that, Dave, girl!
ian crossland
It's fire on YouTube, Twitter, or on X, rather, and Instagram.
I uploaded it.
It's doing really well on YouTube.
And then I did a cover of Live's Lightning Crashes.
tim pool
Oh, man.
ian crossland
Oh, it's so good.
It's just, what a great song.
tim pool
I was hanging out with Richie the other day and he, Richie Jackson, he was just like, man, what's that one song?
Like, uh, you know, lightning.
Cause I'm like, oh yeah, lightning crashes.
And he's like, what a great song.
ian crossland
He's talking about lightning following like the clouds, the thunder rolling in and then forces flowing from the center of the earth.
And it's like, yo, the center of the earth is magnetically connected to the clouds and the lightning.
Did he know that when he wrote it, or was he just feeling it because I can feel it?
tim pool
That's a good song.
ian crossland
Great song.
Happy to be here.
tim pool
It's legendary.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah Klob-Riblow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, Scnr News.
Follow them.
At Tim Kast News, let's get started.
tim pool
Here we go!
The Daily Mail's got the first story.
Kamala Harris says, quote, my values haven't changed in first interview as the candidate despite flip-flopping on many of her policies since 2020.
We actually have the clip.
I don't care to play it for the most part, but CNN is running this preview, so... ...look at some of the changes that you've made, that you've explained some of here, in your policy.
unidentified
Is it because you have more experience now and you've learned more about the information?
Is it because you were running for president in a Democratic primary?
And should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're saying now is going to be your policy moving forward?
kamala harris
Dana, I think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed.
tim pool
I don't want to listen to any more of this.
We were getting asked, like, are you guys going to play the interview on the show?
No.
ian crossland
It was live, I would watch it, but pre-recorded, I feel like it's gonna be edited.
Like that, it seemed like they cut to her talking and not, that wasn't like, didn't feel like a flow.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, she had to look at Tim Walls and he was like, it's okay, you can do it.
And she said, my values haven't changed.
And she looked back at him for support.
tim pool
I don't think we should rag on Kamala Harris for this.
I think we should say that's very honorable of you, Vice President Harris, that your views have not changed and that you will so strongly assert that you are for the Green New Deal and open borders and decriminalizing border crossings and providing health care to illegal immigrants and that you're in favor of, you know, Bidenomics and these policies.
So everything now That has gone wrong, that you and Medicare for All, don't forget, all the things that you're supporting and have support and your views haven't changed.
Well, that makes you an inviolable candidate.
ian crossland
I wonder how she feels about the Venezuelan gangs overrunning Colorado.
tim pool
Hijacking school buses in California.
Illegal immigrants.
ian crossland
Is it California or Colorado?
tim pool
California is where the hijackings... Really?
hannah claire brimelow
The Colorado is where the Venezuelans control the apartment complex.
joel pollak
Well, what interested me was the staging of the interview.
If you look at how they're sitting.
First of all, they chose a dark set.
I don't know why they did that.
You know, you're the joy candidate.
tim pool
But she's evil.
joel pollak
Yeah, it was like Cruella de Vil.
And then you've got this black tabletop, and Tim Walz sitting there kind of bolt upright, looking much bigger than her.
She's far from the camera, so she looks smaller than she actually is, but she looks diminished.
And the table's above her waist, so it almost looks like a kid at the grown-ups table for the first time.
It really doesn't look good.
I don't know who made those decisions, but If it was CNN, maybe they're trying to tank her campaign because it did not look presidential.
She looked like she was trying to prove she belonged and couldn't.
She's the smallest one there.
She shrinks really in that dark set.
And this is a much more informal set, but when you're running for president, you know, if you look in the background in the CNN set, they have all these coffee mugs strewn about.
It looks kind of messy and sloppy.
It's a cafe without people.
It's really weird.
hannah claire brimelow
It is weird.
I agree with you.
The lighting is very strange in this set.
I think it looks to me kind of like they might be in the box of some kind of stadium.
If you look out the windows, it looks like they're seats.
She's also dressed in grey, which Kamala Harris wears a lot of grey, but in this setting, it makes her look kind of...
Older, it's very dark.
I mean, in contrast, Dana is in this like bright purple suit sitting a little bit back from the table.
She just looks like she has more presence and that's not great when you're the person conducting the interview and you're sort of outshining the, I guess, presidential hopeful in the room.
joel pollak
What Obama always did was sit in an armchair.
You know, you want the Full view of the candidate, but also the kind of informality that you can get, you can move, you can change positions.
We don't see her doing anything there.
She's basically just peering over the side of the table.
tim pool
I think it would be absolutely amazing if she just embraced like a super villain arc.
Just dark rings under her eyes, talks about just...
All of these policies as bluntly and as honestly as possible?
Well, honestly, we're just going to keep the border open and let millions of people flood into the country.
That's what we've been doing.
It's what we intend to keep doing.
If you vote for me, it will continue.
And then we'll put them in your schools and your homes, displace you, and we'll defund the police so that you have to deal with the crime that ensues in your neighborhoods.
And then after the system collapses, we'll create a communist system in its place.
joel pollak
We'll be unburdened by what has been.
tim pool
And that's what it means to be unburdened by what has been.
ian crossland
That would be wonderfully overt if she were.
But, you know, you mentioned the Joy candidate.
This is tripping me out.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Strength Through Joy?
tim pool
The Nazi thing.
ian crossland
The Nazi campaign.
It was a state-funded leisure campaign of the Nazis all about joy.
Bringing joy to the people.
Getting them to look away.
The ball's over here.
Look over there.
tim pool
I have been saying this.
The Pride progress flag is no different than the Nazi flag.
The swastika at the time, before the Germans, swastikas were all over the United States.
Go to Chicago, you'll see buildings with swastikas built into the bricks, and they have to cover them up.
Famously, in the south side of Chicago, there's a building, I think you can actually Google search it, where they had a swastika built into the bricks, because it's pre-World War II, and then they hammered wood into the gaps to make it into a square.
to cover it up.
There's an antique store in Austin.
I walked into it, and there's swastikas everywhere.
And I asked the guy, I was like, hey, don't you, like, people get mad at you?
And he's this, like, hipster Austin guy.
He's like, no, that's BS, man.
He's like, he was showing all the stuff they had, and he was like, 1910, every house had this stuff everywhere.
It was a symbol of, like, hope and peace and tranquility and luck.
joel pollak
There's one Chicago building that still has them.
I don't think they covered them up.
ian crossland
Jefferson?
joel pollak
No, the Baha'i Temple, which is About as peace and love as you can possibly get in the northern suburbs of Chicago near the lake.
I think it's in the movie Risky Business or one of those great John Hughes films or John Evnett films from the 80s.
But anyway, you can go there.
It's got swastikas in the stone of the building and it was built, I think, in the 20s.
tim pool
But there's a bunch of buildings like that, actually.
So me and my friends, growing up in Chicago, we'd point them out like, hey, residential homes.
We'll be like, hey, look at that one.
Because back then it didn't mean what it means today.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Rainbows and the progress pride flag is no different.
It's a symbol of a political ideology of authoritarianism.
It represents something certainly different in its core ideology, but the authoritarianism is the same.
Adopting this symbol that represents like harmony and peace and luck and beauty.
And then you see in the UK they're flying these flags everywhere.
Now they're doing the joy campaign or whatever it is.
It is very similar.
Again, I will stress, the ideology at its core is relatively different.
Certainly there are overlaps, but come on, human beings overlap in their ideologies.
You know, liberals and conservatives have overlaps too.
It's an authoritarian ideology.
ian crossland
Yeah, you don't have to tell people to be joyful.
If things are good, they become joyful by nature.
You don't get up on stage and say, we're going to focus on joy, and everyone's like, I feel like that's when there's a bunch of smiling and laughing.
tim pool
Haven't you ever seen the Ren and Stimpy Happy Happy Joy Joy?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
When, what is it, Stimpy sticks the hat on Ren and forces him to be happy the whole time and sing the song?
ian crossland
Oh God, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
That's sort of what the Biden-Harris administration has been doing for a long time now, right?
We'll get these abysmal jobs numbers and they'll be like, everything's fine, don't even worry about it.
People will say, oh, it's really expensive.
And they'll be like, no, you're wrong.
Everything is OK.
I mean, she is just adapting a strategy she already uses in her day job being the vice president.
ian crossland
The pacification through emotional manipulation.
joel pollak
It's like those coexist bumper stickers.
When you see those, they mean everyone except you.
tim pool
Right.
joel pollak
So it's a group identification tool, but this joy thing really did come up.
I was at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago last week, and everybody was talking about joy, joy, joy.
But the one thing that unites the Democratic Party isn't actually joy, it's hatred and fear of Donald Trump.
They're absolutely obsessed with it, and they really couldn't hide it.
Very excited.
I would almost call the joy part of it relief, like now they have a candidate with a pulse.
They're not going to crash entirely.
But there wasn't really much joy holding everyone together.
It was a very anti-Trump feeling in the room.
And it wasn't actually as much fun as the Republican convention.
And I'm trying to be objective here.
There have been years where the Democrats threw a fantastic convention and the Republicans
had a very mediocre one or a kind of very subdued one.
Actually in 2016 when Trump was the candidate for the first time, the convention for Republicans
in Cleveland was really not so great.
And that was partly because all the money stayed away.
So there were no parties because they were terrified.
All the lobbyists and the donors were terrified that Trump was going to crash and burn.
So they stayed away.
The Democrats had a party in Philadelphia.
They lost anyway, but they had a great convention.
This was the opposite.
Milwaukee Republican convention.
Awesome.
They had like a street fair inside the convention perimeter with booths and everything.
And the Democrats had nothing.
Like basically it was a couple of taco trucks and a porta potty.
That's basically what they had.
tim pool
They had cheeseburgers with gluten-free buns at the RNC.
Oh, that's some shit.
hannah claire brimelow
That's how open-minded Republicans are.
ian crossland
Make America healthy again.
joel pollak
Yeah, but they had beer and local coffee, and they had souvenirs, and they had local religious groups talking to people, and... And they had outdoor podcasts in 100-degree weather for some reason, but hey, man, you know, they were ready.
ian crossland
Have you pulled up and, like, really shown people the Strength Through Joy Nazi campaign?
It shows a swastika on the Wikipedia.
I don't know if that's safe to play on TV, but I'm sure it is.
I mean, it is disturbing as hell that they used the tool of joy.
tim pool
Strength through joy.
Yeah, but, like, I'm gonna be honest, man, like, you can't just say because Nazis said joy, no one's ever allowed to say joy.
ian crossland
But it's the authoritarian mentioning of it.
It's, like, the forcing it on the population to pacify them that's terrifying, you know?
tim pool
It was promoting Nazism through subsidizing leisure activities, which is different from just saying she's the joy candidate.
ian crossland
Yeah, they were subsidizing.
They're actually using state funds.
tim pool
You gotta be careful, man.
Like, you know, I'm sure Hitler liked dogs.
You know what I mean?
It doesn't mean people like dogs are Nazis.
joel pollak
He was a vegetarian.
ian crossland
It's not common for politicians to come and be like, we're gonna focus on happiness this campaign.
It's happiness, happiness, happiness.
The amount of times I said joy at that stupid convention was like, Dude.
hannah claire brimelow
Manipulative.
But she's just trying to be Obama 2.0.
I mean, his was hope, right?
Which, you know, in a lot of ways is a more optimistic word, the same way joy would be.
She's just trying to adapt some sort of short slogan and then position herself as this, like, you know, hardworking, comes from, you know, a more challenging upbringing person who's got this sort of derpy white guy with her.
And she's going to, you know, make the White House fun again or whatever Obama allegedly did.
tim pool
Mafa.
Mafa, make America fun again.
The reason they chose the Joy candidacy thing is because she cackles like a fiend and they needed a way to spin it.
joel pollak
Right.
tim pool
She's laughing because she's having fun.
ian crossland
She's just, what is it like?
tim pool
She's a cackling fiend.
ian crossland
When it's like you're just out of your mind.
She's ecstatic.
It's the ecstasy campaign.
joel pollak
Yeah, Joy is an ephemeral emotion.
you feel it at brief, intense moments when something happens.
It's not something you necessarily feel over a long time.
Happiness is more kind of a long-term thing.
Greatness is a long-term thing.
Joy is like momentary.
Yeah.
tim pool
Joyful.
Joyful.
When do we feel joyful?
When do we describe ourselves?
ian crossland
In your eyes, in your firstborn child.
joel pollak
Right.
ian crossland
Things like that, I think.
You know, beating the video game?
I don't know, maybe.
Maybe that's more like fulfillment, accomplishment.
tim pool
That's accomplished, right.
ian crossland
Yeah, accomplishment.
I think joy, I mean, it's really, you've got kids.
tim pool
Christmas?
ian crossland
Yeah, things like...
Family time like the greatest moments of like hugging your your mom because she got you that gift that you've always wanted Things like that.
I don't know a joy.
Yeah love and joy I feel it sometimes when I'm playing music like while I'm like like really my body starts to like sway with like vibration I'm like There's some sort of, but that more isn't like ecstasy than joy.
tim pool
Force is swirling from the center of the earth again.
ian crossland
I can feel it.
tim pool
Yeah.
joel pollak
Thomas Hobbes had this incredible idea, which is that happiness over a long period of time has its own noun, which he called felicity.
So that was the aim of the well-governed society was to experience felicity, which was a kind of higher level of happiness because it was so sustained.
It wasn't the huge intense excitement of winning a World Series.
I know they didn't play baseball then, but it wasn't that intense.
It was childbirth sort of joy, but it was good fortune over a long period of time.
And I think, although he doesn't articulate it this way, I think that what Trump is offering is that and saying, you can create your own happiness in my vision of America.
Whereas Kamala Harris is saying, let's all get together and do this thing together and do the joy together.
Let's do the joy, people.
Let's do the joy now.
We're doing joy now.
And it is very contrived.
That doesn't mean it's not real to the people who are doing it.
But it is something you have to choose to participate in, and it only happens in that political setting.
It doesn't happen in general.
tim pool
Did you guys ever hear about that dancing plague?
It's like a legend, where all these people were on a bridge in medieval Europe, and they started dancing, and they couldn't stop, and they died or something.
What was that about?
ian crossland
It's about Urgot, I think.
tim pool
I don't know.
All I know is there's this story where people started dancing, and then there was a mass hysteria where people just couldn't stop dancing, and they were losing their minds, and then they all died.
ian crossland
Dancing plague.
tim pool
Yeah, something like that.
I wonder if that is what the Democratic Party is.
Like a large-scale mass hysteria.
I mean, we call it mass formation psychosis.
joel pollak
So there was this great novel by Norman Rush called Mating, which is a romance novel, but he makes this incredible political point, which is that the left lives for what he calls the insurrectionary moment.
The moment where the riot happens and you break through the doors of the jailhouse or you tear down the fence.
Pull down the flag from the flagpole, and it's that moment of rebellion, and that's the joy, that's the ecstatic momentary joy, and then you don't know what to do after that.
So he's like, these socialists live for the insurrectionary moment, that moment of ecstasy when the group is doing something transgressive, and that's exciting, but the hard stuff of governing and trying to run a society, they can't do, and you can't do it if you're trying to do it for everybody.
tim pool
Let's pull up this story from the post-millennial.
Trump campaign proposes 10 questions for Kamala's first interview since taking over the Democratic nomination for president.
It's no coincidence that Kamala's first interview is scheduled for the Thursday night before Labor Day weekend.
They already hope it gets lost and it hasn't even aired yet.
And I will confirm this, having worked in marketing.
Dude.
Thursday night before the Labor Day weekend.
You know what everyone's doing right now?
They're packing.
They're not watching the interview.
Tomorrow, I know this because we're packing, tomorrow they're gonna be sitting there staring at their watch waiting for the day to end so they can get in their car and try and beat traffic because it's Labor Day weekend and they're gonna be getting out of here.
hannah claire brimelow
PSA was predicting today is the busiest travel day of the year.
ian crossland
Whoa!
tim pool
Did you hear that?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's because you're supposed to be focusing on work.
hannah claire brimelow
Ian, what are you doing with this thunder?
We're in the middle of recording.
ian crossland
I need a channel if you guys want me to part the clouds.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought you would come prepared for work.
ian crossland
I might not be very social.
tim pool
Did that lightning strike?
That had to have been really close to us.
Did that pick up on the show?
Because Ian can control the weather, and he was talking about lightning crashing, and now here we are, Ian.
ian crossland
You mentioned Labor Day and how people are actually treating it like Leisure Day, and I'm like, yo, that day is supposed to be about work and focus and all these people trying to dip out and get out of town is like, what is this?
It's not leisure, you know?
tim pool
The truth is Ian can't control the weather.
I actually checked the forecast a couple days ago and they predicted thunderstorms tonight, so we prepared for it.
ian crossland
I kind of want the rain now because I think the plants need it.
I've been looking around at the greenery and it's like, I can get it away if you want.
tim pool
Anyway, let's talk about the questions that Trump's asking.
The first is, if you are capable of lowering prices for Americans, why haven't you done it in the three and a half years you've been in office?
You say housing affordability would be a day one priority.
Why isn't it a priority now?
These are funny questions.
You co-sponsored Medicare for All and the Green New Deal.
Do you still support these multi-trillion dollar takeovers of the American economy?
And there's a handful of other ones that are particularly good.
But I gotta be honest, we all know these questions will not be asked.
I mean, maybe, why did you conceal Joe Biden's cognitive decline from the American people?
Why did she?
joel pollak
They all did.
It's also just part of the shared consciousness of joy.
It was this weird, creepy, almost cult-like, to use a word they often throw at Trump supporters, cult-like, the leader is fine, everything will be fine.
Pete Buttigieg was my favorite.
Literally two days before Biden dropped out, he was on Bill Maher's show talking about how Joe Biden was great.
Maybe he had a bad debate.
Yeah, he's old, but he's incredible.
Not only is he incredible, he's better than people who are in their 30s and 40s.
He's just sharper than everybody.
It's something they do collectively, and then they gave each other permission to change their minds overnight, and that's what happened.
My question for Kamala Harris would be, what is the achievement you are proudest of?
What's your biggest accomplishment?
Which is not a gotcha question, right?
That's a friendly question.
There's no answer because she hasn't actually achieved anything except getting elected.
And I asked Democrats very casually and in a friendly way at the convention, what's her greatest accomplishment?
And they I could not answer it.
ian crossland
That's a great question.
hannah claire brimelow
It is a great question, in part because I think Harris is trying to distance herself really rapidly from Biden, which that's whose name she's been hanging out with for the last three years.
So she could hypothetically say, oh, the things that we have done this past year for, I don't know, whatever.
Small businesses in America for LGBTQ rights.
I'm very proud of my abortion tour, but all of that would be tied to the Biden-Harris campaign, which she doesn't want to be part of.
I saw this clip of an interview that someone did with Ben Stiller, the actor, where he was saying he's excited about Harris because it's time for a change.
unidentified
You realize she's currently in the White House, yes?
tim pool
These people don't pay attention to anything.
But, you know, my response with the The question, because I hear it asked a lot, you know, what is Kamala Harris' greatest accomplishment?
You'd think for someone who's been VP for three and a half years, she'd have done something.
She has done things.
She does have accomplishments.
She cast the tie-breaking vote for the Inflation Reduction Act, which failed, and prices have gotten worse, which she complains about and says she wants to fix.
But she has accomplished just that.
So the important thing is, If people actually knew what our accomplishments were—in fact, I recommend this to, you know, like to Elad or to James Kluge.
You guys are on the street.
You ask someone, what do you think are some of Kamala Harris's greatest accomplishments as vice president over the past several years?
And when they say, oh, I don't know, I'm not sure, say, what about casting the tie-breaking vote for the Inflation Reduction Act?
That was a good one, right?
And they'll go, yeah, that was good.
And it resulted in higher prices and more inflation.
Now the cost of food is up, rent is up, and everything's worse.
And that's what she did.
That's her accomplishment.
Why vote for someone like that?
ian crossland
What with the Inflation Reduction Act led to, I'm not familiar with the act, what happened in it that caused inflation to go?
joel pollak
Well, there were a couple of things.
She also cast a tie-breaking vote for the America Rescue Plan, which was the initial massive spending that Biden added on top of the spending that hadn't yet gone out the door from the Trump administration.
So, in my view, and other people, including economists, share this view, that was what really kicked off the inflationary spiral.
And then the Inflation Reduction Act was deliberately misnamed.
tim pool
It was mass spending.
joel pollak
Yeah, it was more spending on the Green New Deal.
It was massive spending and that made inflation worse.
It did not bring inflation down.
The inflation rate slowed, but that's because the Fed had jacked up the interest rates,
which we're all now living with.
And yeah, she cast a lot of tie-breaking votes.
She had a 50-50 Senate, basically, for a lot of the time she's been vice president, so she had more opportunities to cast tie-breaking votes, but she cast the tie-breaking vote for a lot of bad things.
So if you list those things, right, that's... And she's proud of them, as she says she's proud of them, but they did bad things.
tim pool
So the Inflation Reduction Act, which is cleverly named like most bills, was basically just a government spending package.
It had some tax reforms, and it certainly did not do anything to reduce inflation.
Costs went up right afterwards.
I would say that the bill literally has nothing to do with inflation at all.
It was literally, we want to spend a bunch of money on a bunch of different programs.
We want to invest in clean energy.
Green New Deal is a large component of it.
It was a backdoor.
And then They call it something that sounds good, like the Patriot Act.
Everybody supports it.
And then you hear in the news, Kamala Harris supported the Inflation Reduction Act.
And as president, she will work to reduce prices.
And that's exactly what they're going to do.
And it's like saying, you know, Donkey Kong kidnapped the—imagine Donkey Kong kidnaps the princess, but once he's elected, he'll let her go.
That's basically what they're saying.
She did it, but vote for her and she'll undo it.
It's more like a hostage situation than an actual policy.
hannah claire brimelow
I do feel like a hostage in this economy.
It's really bad.
joel pollak
The crazy thing is that they had all this spending on Green New Deal type things.
They had $7.5 billion for 500,000 electric vehicle charging stations, and they built eight in three years.
You know, because when Democrats build stuff, They go through all the government agencies that have to
approve everything and do the environmental impact statements and do this and that.
Then they have to go through all the interest groups that have to get a piece of the action.
So they've got to work through the right unions and they've got to work through the contractors
who gave the donations to the right people.
So there's like this cascade and the money goes through it.
And by the time you actually get to when the project's supposed to be built, there's no
money left.
The plans haven't been approved and you have to go back to Congress for more money.
That's basically how Democrats run California and that's how it works in Washington now.
Whereas Trump is like, I need to get something done.
I don't care what the rules are.
We're getting it done.
I'm finding the right person to do it.
We're doing it.
I actually think, and I say it in the book, that if you want to build the EV stations,
have Trump do it because he'll take the money and he'll find a way to do it.
You know, the way he did with the Jerusalem embassy, you know, they told him it's going
One of the ideas for reducing inflation was to take money from people.
Not kidding.
Let's just take an existing building, repurpose it, we're done, embassy.
Just get it done.
tim pool
One of the components of the Inflation Reduction Act was hiring 87,000 new IRS agents.
One of the ideas for reducing inflation was to take money from people.
Not kidding.
They were trying to bring prices down by taking more money from people, raising taxes in various
areas.
While Kamala Harris chatted at a rally today and she's like, I'm going to reduce taxes
for a hundred million people blah blah blah Listen, okay?
87,000 IRS agents are not needed to go after 100 billionaires.
Or 10,000 millionaires.
Here's the problem.
Let's say you want to raise a million dollars.
What's easier?
Send one million letters out automatically through, you click a button and it just prints and then sends them out?
Demanding a dollar from each person, or else, or going to one multi-millionaire and saying, you owe me a million dollars.
That multi-millionaire is going to be like, sure, let me call my lawyer and then get back to me in a year after we go to court over it.
But you send a bill to a regular working-class Joe that says, you owe us a buck, he's going to be like, okay, I guess.
Granted, it's worse than that.
They want to raise a hundred million dollars, which means they're not going to go to a billionaire and say, you owe us a hundred million dollars, because Bezos or Musk is easily going to say, Let me call my lawyer.
I promised my legal firm two million bucks.
They're gonna get this bill tossed out and they're gonna make it so bad for you, it's not worth pursuing.
More than go.
I don't know.
Let's send a million people a demand letter for $100.
Ain't no working class Joe's gonna hire a lawyer to stop the $100.
And they're gonna sit there and they're gonna be stressed out and they're gonna be sweating bullets being like, I don't understand why I owe this money.
What do I do?
I don't have it.
We're living paycheck to paycheck.
Doesn't matter.
That's how they rip the money from the economy.
These people are bad.
They are bad people.
Kamala Harris is lying.
Okay.
You know, I certainly think that she won't get asked any of these real questions though.
ian crossland
Was the EV charging station, I'm gonna call it a scam.
Was that part of the Green New Deal or part of the Inflation Reduction Act?
joel pollak
That was part of the bipartisan infrastructure bill.
ian crossland
Bipartisan?
joel pollak
Right.
What's funny about the bipartisan part is that the bill was like $1.2 trillion, I think.
And when Trump suggested, as he came into office, that they should spend $1 trillion on infrastructure, Mitch McConnell was like, no, that's never passing.
I'm never passing a $1 trillion infrastructure bill.
You got to be crazy.
And then of course when Biden came into office, they did a 1.2 or whatever it was trillion
dollar infrastructure bill.
hannah claire brimelow
It turned out McConnell meant that was too little money.
He wanted to spend more than that.
joel pollak
He just wouldn't give Trump a win for anything.
So they have this infrastructure bill.
And the irony is that what's happened is at first this was supposed to be a way of phasing
out the fossil fuel industry.
But then the fossil fuel industry, being smart, got their lobbyists together.
And now they are trying to get a piece of that seven and a half billion and saying,
well, why don't you just build the EV stations at our existing gas stations?
So they're now going to get heavily subsidized by this spending that was meant to replace them.
I don't have a problem with it because I think we should have both options.
I think drivers should have as many options as possible.
But that's what happens in Washington.
So all these interest groups play this game and the money just never goes to what it's supposed to unless you have someone like Trump whose whole mode of being is to cut through all this and just get stuff done.
tim pool
Do you guys think we should watch the Trump-Tulsi town hall?
ian crossland
We should pull it up and check out some of it.
Yeah.
tim pool
I can pull up and play a little bit of it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, currently live.
ian crossland
How long is this supposed to go?
donald j trump
Miserably quiet.
tim pool
Let me see if I can find a better source.
donald j trump
Come on, The Hill!
I'll try to find a better source.
tim pool
with jobs. You know, you want them to go. Let me say I'm going to find a better source.
unidentified
And it's hard to believe I have come on the Hill. But I look I look forward to every day
hannah claire brimelow
because we're going to just to go back to the contrast between the I'll try to find
a better Harris Walls debate. Our interview on this. Look, it's like brightly colored
room American flags live. He's wearing color. Beautiful.
joel pollak
Real people. You know, and Trump repeats himself a lot. She's heard a lot of the lines
before. But he also risks with every interaction with real voters. You risk that someone's going
to say something you don't like. The problem is what he's done, especially this time,
even more than in 2016, 2020, is he's asked people for their vote. You don't have to agree
with everything he says, but he's doing the retail politics that politicians are
supposed to do. He's basically talking to real people and saying, this is why you should vote for
me. This is why I'm asking for your support. She's not doing that. She's giving
unidentified
speeches and disappearing. They worked hard to get those plans. And that's what they want. Is this
tim pool
just naturally really quiet?
donald j trump
He wants to have it's really a communist type of government.
And I just saw her tell see on. She was sitting behind a desk doing.
It's funny you noticed that.
Dana Bash, you can make yourself big tonight.
All you have to do is be fair.
I haven't seen the questions, but they gave out a sample.
In fact, she's going to be on later on tonight with a tape.
It was a tape. We're doing it live.
Why are we doing it live and she's doing it there?
But...
tim pool
Because one's real and one's fake.
tulsi gabbard
That's right, he's real.
donald j trump
But she was sitting behind that desk, this massive desk, and she didn't look like a leader to me, I'll be honest.
I don't see her negotiating with President Xi of China.
I don't see her with Kim Jong-un like we did with Kim Jong-un.
So we're going to have to see what happens.
I'll tell you what, November 5th is going to be the most important day in the history of this country.
tim pool
The 5th of November, huh?
Isn't that crazy?
Heck of a day.
joel pollak
I want to see how Tulsi looks.
tulsi gabbard
There are a lot of people who want to feel hopeful about our future.
I want to introduce you to Luke, who is one of those people.
ian crossland
I hope it's Luke Rudkowski.
unidentified
Good looking guy.
Thank you.
My name is Luke Pulaski.
I'll be voting for the first time in November, and I'm researching each candidate.
I have two questions for you.
First, as I've been living on my own and buying my own gas and groceries, I have noticed that everything has become more expensive.
For me personally, I try to eat healthy and stay lean.
A pound of meat has gone from $4 to almost $7.
I also would like to buy a home someday, but that seems just impossible now.
What's your plan to make life more affordable and bring down inflation for someone like me?
donald j trump
Very good.
unidentified
Thank you.
donald j trump
Good.
tim pool
Energy.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Hydrogen.
donald j trump
It's probably the question I get most.
You know, they say you're going to vote with your stomach.
I don't know if you've heard it, but it's a little bit true.
And groceries, food has gone up at levels that nobody's ever seen before.
We've never seen anything like it.
unidentified
50, 60, 70%.
We have seen something like it in the Great Depression, but... Some people don't eat bacon anymore.
tim pool
That's a shame.
donald j trump
And we are going to get the energy prices down.
There you go.
You know, this was caused by their horrible energy Wind.
They want wind all over the place.
tim pool
Or hydrogen.
donald j trump
Can you believe these people?
This was caused by energy.
This was really caused by energy and also their unbelievable spending.
They're spending us out of out of wealth, actually.
They're taking our wealth away.
But it was caused by energy.
And what they've done is they started cutting way back.
We were in third place when I left.
We were by far in first place, beating Russia, beating Saudi Arabia.
And we were going to dominate to a level that we've never seen before.
And then we had a bad election.
I'll be very nice.
I'm supposed to be nice when I talk about the election.
Because everybody is afraid to talk about it.
Oh, please, sir, don't talk about the election.
Please.
You know, if you can't talk about a bad election, you really don't have a democracy,
if you think about it, right?
unidentified
But...
donald j trump
But what they did, Tulsi, is they took back the oil production.
The oil started going crazy.
That started the inflation.
Then they went back.
They said, go back to where Trump was.
The problem is that we would have been three times that level right now.
We would have been so dominant over Russia and Saudi Arabia.
Look, Saudi Arabia, Russia, a lot of oil.
We would have had more.
You know, we had something in Alaska, ANWR, that I created.
joel pollak
So imagine if on the CNN interview they had flags behind.
donald j trump
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, they had coffee mugs and... Trump's team demands it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Maybe demand is the right word.
donald j trump
They, they... require it.
tim pool
Yeah.
When we did the interview, they said, we want American flags.
unidentified
And I was like, absolutely.
joel pollak
Wow.
So they actually insisted on that.
tim pool
Yeah.
joel pollak
So it makes you wonder who's advising Kamala Harris.
donald j trump
We're going to pay down our debt.
tim pool
I mean, this is we're going to reduce your taxes still for back up.
unidentified
And your groceries are going to come tumbling down and your interest rates are going to be
tumbling down. And then you're going to go out. You're going to buy a beautiful house.
tim pool
He's just so much better presentation than American dream.
Anybody.
donald j trump
The American dream.
joel pollak
See what he does there also is he creates a picture of what it's going to look like.
unidentified
Yep. Yeah. And that's so much more powerful than joy.
tulsi gabbard
national security but first I think it's important to point out
What Luke is talking about, the cost of groceries, the cost of gas, the cost of housing, mortgages, rent, everything has gone up.
Kamala Harris's plan that she has announced is government price controls.
I think it's important to touch on, you just laid out your plan.
What's going to happen if Kamala Harris institutes price controls?
donald j trump
So that's a communist plan.
It's never worked.
And it's been tried by others.
Believe it or not, Richard Nixon tried it.
A lot of people tried it.
It's been tried many times, and it always leads to the same failure.
Tremendous inflation, lack of product.
You don't have anything.
The stores are not stocked.
It has never worked.
It's called control.
They want control.
He's fantastic.
joel pollak
And he's in command of the details, too.
donald j trump
We're going to go price control.
Actually when she announced it she got absolutely slaughtered by even Democrats because it doesn't
joel pollak
work.
I'm just glad he didn't say schlonged.
tim pool
Don't lose it.
unidentified
Washington Post called her a communist.
You know why she's not talking about climate change anymore?
donald j trump
She's not talking about it.
You know why?
Because people don't want to hear it.
They want to find, they want to live a good life.
They want to live a life.
They don't want to stop your industry with climate change.
They used to call it death.
Different things.
Global warming.
Remember?
That wasn't working because it was getting a little bit cooler.
So they said, what are we going to do?
We'll call it global cooling?
No.
So they came up with the word, words, climate change, because that takes care of everything.
Climate change.
The climate's changing.
But according to them, we're all going to be gone in about, what do we have, three years left?
They had 12 years.
So in about three years.
joel pollak
So apparently she's also playing Kamala Harris in his debate track.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's what I heard.
donald j trump
Yeah, that's unfair.
She's good.
hannah claire brimelow
I've heard this reporting that Democrats are nervous that the expectations for Kamala Harris during the debate are too high, and she's not going to be able to meet them.
Yes, that is the candidate you picked.
tim pool
I mean, the bar is very close to the ground, but yeah, that's probably too high.
donald j trump
Our country has the biggest problem the world has is nuclear weapons.
They are a destructive force, the likes of which nobody has ever seen before.
And we have to make sure they're never used.
We have to make sure it's not going to happen.
ian crossland
Talk about climate change, nuclear catastrophe.
tim pool
And Ukraine invaded Russia.
tulsi gabbard
You're exactly right.
You brought up Ronald Reagan already.
Ronald Reagan famously said, A nuclear war can never be won and should never be fought.
And I think it's interesting you talked about climate change, Mr. President.
The Democrats and Kamala Harris, they were quick to talk about how climate change is an existential threat.
But what they're not talking about is the existential threat of nuclear war and World War III, which is exactly where we sit today because of the warmongers and their puppets, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
And they don't want to talk about it because The consequence of where they have taken all of us, the American people and the world, is economic hardship around the world, destruction of our economic well-being, and an annihilation of humanity, our families, our kids, our communities.
unidentified
It doesn't get worse than that.
I wonder how much that factors into people's thinking about the election.
Because when you look at Kamala Harris, I don't think you see someone who is strong enough to deal with whatever is a global challenge.
tim pool
Or Tim Walz.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tulsi gabbard
When I heard that, I felt so sad because they're at a point where they feel like this outcome, the annihilation of the world, is inevitable.
unidentified
So I wanted to ask you about this because it's important that Yep.
ian crossland
Literally a warrior.
tulsi gabbard
She's on the terrorist watch list, so we don't know.
joel pollak
That's crazy.
A colonel?
unidentified
A lieutenant colonel in the National Guard?
tulsi gabbard
She got it from Russia.
ian crossland
She wasn't a colonel.
unidentified
a lieutenant colonel in the National Guard.
She got it.
donald j trump
Dr. Orban, a very strong leader from Hungary, Prime Minister of Hungary,
unidentified
She's still in it.
donald j trump
asked him recently about what's the problem in the world.
A few years ago, during my term, we didn't have Israel being attacked.
We didn't have Russia attacking Ukraine.
And they asked him, why is it so bad now?
The Middle East is on fire.
So many places are on fire.
And there are plenty of places that could very well and very quickly catch on.
What's the problem?
He said, you have to bring Trump back as President of the United States.
You will have no problem.
He single-handedly kept things.
And it's true.
And I could do it with telephone calls by being smart.
But literally, he said, you have to bring Trump back.
Now, he used a term I wouldn't use.
He said everybody was afraid of Trump.
You know who was afraid of Trump?
They said China was afraid of Trump.
Russia was afraid of Trump.
And I don't want to say that.
I will say this.
They respected me, and they respected our nation.
They don't respect our nation anymore.
They don't respect our nation anymore.
Think of it.
What would the world be like If Russia didn't do what they did and they would have never done it.
I used to speak to Putin about it.
I had a very good relationship.
No chance.
You know what happened?
I think Afghanistan, when he saw the horrible What he's saying resonates with a lot of people.
I've been to Israel five times since October 7th, and Israelis are terrified of Trump losing, because they do feel like people feared Trump.
joel pollak
I've been to Israel five times since October 7th.
donald j trump
And Israelis are terrified of Trump losing because they do feel like people fear Trump.
None of these wars happened.
joel pollak
And Israelis don't want to be at war.
donald j trump
It's not a war they chose.
joel pollak
And they don't want to go to war in Lebanon, but nobody trusts Biden when he says, don't do Iran, because Iran just does anyway.
donald j trump
And what he's saying is true.
joel pollak
I mean, when people fear the United States and they don't know what we're going to do, then they don't start wars.
donald j trump
It's intimidation.
ian crossland
He's good at that, but the problem was he intimidated his own populace as well, so a lot of them didn't want to vote, but you gotta look past that.
joel pollak
I think there's some truth to that, too.
donald j trump
She was the first one to leave, you know.
Kamala was the first one to quit.
She never made it to the first state in the primaries, which was Iowa.
Never even came close.
unidentified
Other people did, but she never even came close.
donald j trump
And all of a sudden, she was picked, and she's now running for president.
And, look, it just started, really.
It just really started.
The polls have us up here.
We're up in this state.
We're up in states, but it's close.
It's close.
joel pollak
Where are they right now?
donald j trump
It's close.
And, you know, they cheat like hell, so we don't want to have it too close.
Because we have to win this.
We're not going to have a country.
But with him, I was so far up.
He had a thing called... How did he do in the debate?
Did you think he did well?
Not too good.
tim pool
Also, the storm is supposed to get a lot worse.
donald j trump
They wanted to have a debate.
I said, OK, it's a little bit early.
unidentified
I just checked the radar and in the next hour, it's supposed to get substantially worse.
ian crossland
I'll move the clouds.
donald j trump
And that was not a good debate for them.
That was not a good debate.
So that was the beginning of the end for him.
And they started looking.
But they picked a woman that had absolutely no vote.
She got no votes.
And now she's running.
So when you say threat to democracy, they are a threat to democracy.
I'm not a threat to democracy.
joel pollak
I followed her around during that campaign in 2019 because she didn't make it to 2020.
unidentified
And the level of malpractice in the campaign was unbelievable.
joel pollak
Just terrible decisions, awful event staging, zero policy consistency.
She had also made mistakes two years before in her Senate campaign where they had all this money and they blew through it on first-class tickets and high-end hotels and they were almost out of money early in the race.
She just can't manage a campaign very well.
tim pool
It's good news for us, then.
joel pollak
Yeah, well, she has a short runway here.
donald j trump
On purpose.
tim pool
Less runway to screw up.
We cannot hear what's happening.
hannah claire brimelow
Is there a protester?
unidentified
He is weird.
tim pool
Must be a protester.
donald j trump
He's weird, I'm not weird, he's weird.
ian crossland
I'm weird, for the record.
unidentified
No, he's a weird guy.
donald j trump
He's a weird dude.
You know, see, they come up with soundbites.
They always have soundbites.
And one of the things is that JD and I are weird.
That guy is so straight.
JD is so... He's doing a great job.
tim pool
Kind of boring.
unidentified
Smart.
Yeah.
donald j trump
Top student.
Great guy.
And he's not weird, and I'm not weird.
I mean, we're a lot of things.
We're not weird, I will tell you.
But that guy is weird.
joel pollak
Must be talking about Waltz.
unidentified
Yeah.
donald j trump
You know, he called.
He signed for... And this is... Who would think that this is even happening?
joel pollak
Here comes the tampon Tim thing.
donald j trump
Men playing in women's sports and all of this.
But he has it.
He has it at a level that nobody can believe.
A bill that every boy's bathroom will have tampons.
Hence his name.
Tampon Tim.
unidentified
He did it!
donald j trump
Think of it.
And you know, on the question of abortion, he is the one abortion in the ninth month.
And if the baby in Minnesota, and I'd love to win Minnesota because those people aren't digging this guy.
unidentified
They're not digging this guy.
But think of this.
donald j trump
Six states.
Six states.
Minnesota is one of them.
If the baby is born, you're allowed to execute the baby after.
Think of that.
After birth, in Minnesota, you're allowed to execute.
And you remember the former governor, not the current governor, who's terrific, Glenn Youngkin.
We're going to win, maybe.
hannah claire brimelow
We're going to go over that one so intensely.
donald j trump
But the former governor.
And he said, you sit the mother down and the father down.
You sit them down and you talk.
And the baby is born, and you make a decision what to do.
He meant, do you execute the baby after birth?
tim pool
Yes, he did.
donald j trump
And according to what they have passed and legislation in Minnesota, they're allowed to execute the baby after birth.
tim pool
And this guy... That seems pretty wild.
Let me think.
donald j trump
...is a participant.
And that's why she picked him, because she is, in fact, A Marxist slash communist.
Remember, I'd say all the time, our country will never be socialist, right?
We will not have a socialist... Well, I was right.
We skipped socialism.
We went to communism.
joel pollak
I haven't heard him say that before.
That's pretty good.
tulsi gabbard
Mr. President, we have...
Time for one final question.
I don't know if we can get a mic to Bernardo.
He's got an important question given very soon we will be honoring the anniversary of September 11th and all of the lives that were lost on that tragic day in that tragic attack where we were attacked by radical Islamist terrorists and Bernardo wanted to share.
tim pool
There are no restrictions on abortion in Minnesota.
tulsi gabbard
None.
unidentified
Mr. President, my name is Bernardo.
I'm a voter here in Wisconsin.
I live in the wonderful La Crosse County here.
I'm also a father of eight.
I have seven here with me.
How old is he?
tim pool
Does he have eight different women?
unidentified
And the anniversary of 9-11 is coming up.
I'm concerned that we're more vulnerable now than ever.
And we have a Democrat nominee who doesn't even want to say the words, says we shouldn't say the words, radical Islamic terror.
How are we going to protect America from a terrorist attack?
donald j trump
First of all, it's a great question.
And, you know, we have radical Islamists pouring into our country, along with everybody else right now.
They're coming in at levels that nobody's ever seen before.
We kept them out.
We had one year where Border Patrol put down — it was, I believe, 2019.
And I don't believe this.
I don't believe it's right, but I'll take it.
They said zero came in in 2019.
That was my term.
Zero.
Now we have thousands.
I'd like to say that was true.
It's probably not, because I can't imagine that.
But we were very tough on that.
Now they have thousands and thousands coming in, along with the prisoners and along with the crime.
And remember, a lot of these countries, like Venezuela, their crime is way down because they've moved their criminals into our country.
It's not even believable.
But your question on Islamists and all of the jihad and all of the things that they talk about, They have to respect your country.
They have to respect your leader.
You know, I had no radical Islam crime for four years, and I didn't want to talk about it.
I wanted to.
I talked about it after, but I didn't want to talk about it.
I don't want to say like I had.
Absolutely.
And the next day you get hit.
But we had none four years of it because they respected your president, they respected your country, and we have to bring back that level of respect.
And we're going to do it.
unidentified
We're going to do it.
And we're not letting the wrong people into our country.
donald j trump
Thank you very much.
Great question.
joel pollak
And do they respect commoners?
tulsi gabbard
Thank you, Mr. President.
I know you have run out of time here, but thank you for having this conversation with the people of Wisconsin and people across the country who are watching and concerned about these very same issues.
tim pool
They're wrapping up, so we'll wrap up.
But we will jump to a story that I see people have been asking us about.
And so earlier on, we'll get the story right here.
We have this from NBC News.
Trump says he wants to make IVF treatments paid for by government or insurance companies if elected.
In an interview with NBC News, the former president defended himself over abortion rights.
rights.
They say that former President Donald Trump said in an interview,
If elected, his administration would not only protect access to in vitro fertilization,
but would have either the government or insurance companies cover the cost of the expensive
service for American women who need it.
We are going to be under the Trump administration.
We are going to be paying for that treatment.
We're going to be mandating the insurance company pay.
Asked to clarify whether the government would pay for IVF services or whether insurance companies would do so, Trump reiterated that one option would be to have the insurance companies pay under a mandate.
Yes.
Abortion and IVF have been a political liability for Trump.
Blah, blah, blah.
Thanks for your opinion, NBC News.
First thing I'm going to say about this.
This is a low-tier issue that will move the needle barely.
But Trump is pulling off a big ask maneuver.
By saying he wants the government to pay for IVF, he is trying to cut off Democrats' ability to say that he wants to ban IVF.
At the same time, no one's going to choose to vote or not vote for Trump based on IVF.
This policy will likely never happen, but what he's basically doing is jumping over the Democrats' attack and saying, what are they saying?
We want to ban it?
We're going to make the government pay for it!
They're trying to shutting him down.
ian crossland
That's a socialist maneuver.
The guy who was just talking about avoiding socialism and communism is like, the government's going to pay for a new social program.
tim pool
Because what you really mean is the people.
ian crossland
are going to pay for it. My taxes are going to pay for her pregnancy now. I think it's a good
tim pool
policy anyway. Ask me first. I'm for it. I'm completely for it. So you know what happens?
Donald Trump did this thing where he was like, college graduates should get citizenship here.
And the right lost their mind. They were like, no. Even Laura Loomer, who is the number one Trump
fan, said this is a bad policy. I said, Trump's right. The problem is everyone immediately
assumed Trump was saying everyone gets a permit to live here, whatever.
No, no, I was like, Trump is correct.
If there are people who are here, who meet certain guidelines, certain restrictions, and with a limited number of availability, we should absolutely allow people to work here if they graduated from these universities, because we don't want people coming to our universities, developing IP, or getting access to our IP, and then going back to China to develop those companies.
But this means what?
Is the number a thousand people per year or some low number?
It just means Trump is correct, but there's got to be restrictions.
Now, when it comes to the IVF thing, it can't be for... it should be only in necessity.
A couple that is dealing with fertility issues that are struggling to conceive, who meet certain requirements, will have, in my opinion, it is a good policy, and I am not a conservative, a government-covered or insurance company-covered IVF.
Why?
Our birth rates are way too low and they're below replacement.
So, I'm not a laissez-faire libertarian, no government, no taxes.
I actually think there are certain things we can do as a society, and we should do.
And I certainly think this, on the surface level, needs to be explored.
But if the idea is the United States is a birthrate below replacement, that is apocalyptic, then I am absolutely in favor of IVF treatments for people who need it.
ian crossland
But need is the... I'll be honest, man, I kind of agree with you.
I'm into social programs, certain ones.
Like, they're very, very good in the right usages.
You know, the fire department's phenomenal.
tim pool
And it's hard to be in the right usages.
ian crossland
Yeah, but helping pregnancies is maybe, you know...
hannah claire brimelow
I think the problem is that IVF has now been lumped in with abortion the way that birth control got lumped in with abortion.
And I don't think those three things are exactly the same in any way, even though Democrats will lump them under the overhead of women's rights, women's reproductive rights.
IVF, infertility, the birth rate, really important conversations to have.
And I think that there are tremendous consequences to the conception of embryos outside the womb.
You have to have a plan.
We're talking about this for the show.
Like, what do you do?
On the other hand, It's not the same thing as having an abortion.
People who are seeking abortions are probably not also seeking IVF, so we should stop sewing them together like they're one thing.
And I also feel similarly about birth control, right?
I think if you want to take the birth control pill, that's a different conversation than, I have now become pregnant and I would maybe like to terminate the life of this baby.
joel pollak
Well the reason those things are conflated is deliberate.
So Democrats are using IVF to talk about abortion without talking about killing a baby.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
joel pollak
Now they're talking about having babies.
It's the same idea in a sense that there's a radical ability to do whatever you want with pregnancy but they're talking about babies in a positive way.
It's a brilliant attack and it is one that Republicans have to respond to because IVF goes to not just the Women, but also the idea of family.
And there are many, many working women who are putting off pregnancy and want to know that they can still have babies in their forties or whatever.
And it's a huge anxiety.
So it really resonates with people, but maybe Trump read this book.
I don't know because I've got it in here.
I'm going to plug my book again.
tim pool
You actually have in there?
joel pollak
Yeah.
ian crossland
The agenda.
joel pollak
Page 81.
So Trump can come in and he can issue regulations immediately or an executive order to HHS, Health and Human Services, to explore regulations that would allow insurance companies to begin to offer coverage for fertility treatments, which are typically paid out of pocket.
So it's not that every insurance policy has to offer it.
And I don't think businesses should be saddled with the huge insurance costs.
IVF is very expensive.
But maybe you can ease the burden of some of the regulations to allow insurance plans that maybe offer you IVF and don't offer you other things.
We have so many conditions that are covered under these Obamacare platinum plans, bronze plans, gold plans, whatever.
Right now you have a situation where women with PhDs are taking jobs as Amazon drivers and Starbucks baristas because those companies cover IVF with their insurance and their existing policies at whatever they're working at.
tim pool
See, I'll give a little pushback.
I mean, the idea that there are women who are trying to go into their 40s without having a family and want us to now pay for that, that I don't agree with.
I'm saying need in terms of a healthy couple at a reasonable age saying we're having issues and IVF may be the only option.
The idea to me, or I should say that I think we're suffering a cultural problem in this country, Where people are telling women, just put it off, put it off, put it off, and then someone else will bear the brunt of that decision that you've made or because society has told you to make it.
ian crossland
But some people are like, they eat too much cake and then they get fat and they can't have kids properly.
tim pool
And I'm not going to pay for that.
I'm not going to pay for that.
ian crossland
They'll be like, we don't know why we're having trouble.
We're just having trouble.
tim pool
We'll check your diet.
Agreed.
And that's why I said there have to be restrictions.
This cannot be.
And this is the important distinction.
I think it's a fair argument to say we shouldn't do this program at all because it will devolve into subsidizing bad behaviors.
Fair point.
ian crossland
Obesity, 78% of the population, something like that.
tim pool
I'm saying these things can work as long as they're regulated very strongly.
In that, no.
If your issue is caused by your own bad choices, we're not bearing the brunt of that.
See, I'm in favor of universal basic health care, is what I describe it as.
If you break a bone, then you go to a doctor and we, I think the taxpayer covers the minor costs of a doctor resetting the bone and giving you one of those self-setting plaster casts or whatever.
Or if you have the flu, would you seem to have a flu?
Because it's stupid that a ten-year-old kid dies because he's got the flu.
I think that's dumb.
But if you've got Cancer.
And you need advanced treatments.
You need insurance for that.
I don't know that my idea could actually work.
I'm just saying, when these leftists say we should have Medicare for all, everyone should be covered no matter what, that's physically impossible.
There's not enough treatments for every disease that exists to just cover anybody.
ian crossland
Especially when you're printing money to pay insurance companies.
Like, why don't we just lower the cost of the treatment and pay them less?
tim pool
Market competition.
So a voucher system seems to be a decent idea.
And when I look at this, I see the challenge as Democrats are going to bloat it, and they're going to try and give everybody access until the system collapses.
And my proposal is, we should be maximizing the incentives for having families.
Another example is the child tax credit.
And I love this story.
When J.D.
Vance said we should expand the child tax credit, the media said, J.D.
Vance thinks people without children should pay more taxes.
And when Kamala Harris said the exact same thing, they said, Kamala Harris wants to lower taxes for parents.
joel pollak
Right.
tim pool
Media is crooked.
joel pollak
Sometimes it was the same journalist.
You can actually look, there was one journalist from CBS who said something like, experts question JD Vance's child tax credit.
And then she wrote the same article, or she wrote the article on the same topic about Kamala Harris and it was, hooray, child tax credit.
And she raised the tax credit.
JD Vance proposed $5,000 and Kamala was $6,000.
I wonder if Kamala Harris is trying to offer Americans the Trump policies without Trump, because that's what her campaign is becoming.
She doesn't have her own policies on her website.
She keeps stealing Trump's ideas.
No taxes on tips and stuff like that.
So are we getting... The wall.
hannah claire brimelow
She's now behind the wall.
joel pollak
So is it Trump without the Trump?
The Trump policies without the Trump tweets?
tim pool
They realized it.
They realized the only thing they can't... They sat down and said, what should our policies be?
And they're like, guys, we only have one issue.
It's that we are not Trump.
So let's just take all of his policies, copy his campaign, and say we're not him.
And that's it.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's one thing she... if you challenge her, at least in an interview, she'll be like, what do you want, Trump to win?
And I'm like, is that going to be her diplomacy tactic with Putin?
What do you want, Trump to be president?
He'd be like, yes, I do, actually.
Get out of my... trying to negotiate.
hannah claire brimelow
And she'd be like, excuse me, I'm speaking.
We can't send this horrible feminist girl boss into any sort of serious diplomatic negotiation.
We all know that.
It's interesting that you reference people taking jobs at Amazon a couple years ago, and I wish I could remember the outlet, but I had read a story about women who were specifically working on Amazon warehouses because if they worked there for a certain amount of time, they would get access to one cycle of IVF.
through their insurance and I find this to be interesting like there are lots of women who are delaying you know for their career or whatever else but there are also women who just like find themselves in a position of infertility who will do whatever they can including very serious manual labor To have children.
I think the idea of family is something Americans resonate with.
They hold very dear to their hearts.
And the fact, like you pointed out, that the Democrats have managed to make infertility an issue where Republicans are on the bad side is fascinating.
joel pollak
It wasn't even an issue.
Nobody was talking about getting rid of IVF.
It was just this Alabama court case.
But look, there are also men who are showing up without any sperm motility.
And yeah, I mean, that's got other causes as well.
And that's where Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
comes in and he's talking about all these mysterious health problems that we're facing as a society, which I think is fascinating.
I'm not sure I agree with him on everything, but I think generally to have a candidate who's talking about health...
is compelling because a lot of us have anxieties about it.
tim pool
He's right.
ian crossland
He wanted to get rid of the three trillion in Ozempic that we spend per year.
He wants to spend a fraction of that on giving every family in America three organic meals a day.
I think that might actually be a nice subsidization as opposed to letting you use your food stamps on Pepsi.
tim pool
Yeah, seriously.
Guys, you can use food stamps to buy candy bars.
It's ridiculous!
I am all for food benefits, 100%.
There's a mom and she can't meet her bills, and she needs to feed her kids.
Let's get some food for that mom.
But you can take your EBT card in every state that offers it, and you can go to the grocery store and buy a big ol' bar of chocolate.
ian crossland
Skittles.
I don't want to blame these company names too hard, but come on.
tim pool
And you know what you can't buy?
When you're at Walmart, you get food benefits, and they have those hot chickens up front.
They'll have the whole chicken ready to go.
You pick it up, you bring it home, you feed your family.
You can't buy that with food benefits.
ian crossland
Oh, that's lame.
tim pool
Prepared food you can't buy.
You can buy unprepared food, which means you can go to the candy bar aisle, and you can grab nachos, chips, Hershey's chocolate cookies and cream, whatever, Snickers bars.
ian crossland
Good luck trying to take that away from those companies.
I don't think that, I mean that's something RFK might, I don't know what his plan is actually.
I just heard him talking about it today.
hannah claire brimelow
When he was on the show with us when we were at the Libertarian Convention, you know, we talked about all this stuff.
I agree with you, there's not I don't agree with him on everything but it was really interesting to see someone who is so passionate about the conditions of the environment and the way it affects people's health and the long-term importance of investing in especially children's health talk about this.
I mean there's a creativity and an innovation there that I think we would need in any successful government and you know, I think I know a lot of people who have struggled with infertility and their first step isn't to say, please give me IVF.
It's to say, well, can I fix my diet?
Can I fix my lifestyle?
What's something I can do before that?
Because IVF is a demanding process.
It involves a lot of hormones.
I mean, in addition to the expense, it's emotionally, psychologically and physically taxing for I think everyone involved.
But it doesn't seem like this is a conversation the Democrats are having.
When Republicans talk about families, they're talking about how can we make it easier for you to be with your children, to have children?
How can we give your children a better start in life?
And with Democrats, it's like how can we be as controlling to your lives as possible and also maybe give you the option to have or terminate your children?
tim pool
As you mentioned, the conservative policy is, how can we help you be with your kids and have more kids, and the Democrat policy is, how can we help you eliminate your children?
ian crossland
The pro-life, the intensely pro-life people that are like, zero tolerance for any kind of, you know, killing of any kind of embryo, fetus, whatever, I think their resistance to IVF is that the woman is incited to produce multiple embryos, and maybe all of them could potentially become human children at some point, you know, from embryo to child.
But that five of them will be destroyed and only one of them will be taken if the parent wants only one kid.
And so they're like, nope.
tim pool
Let's pull this up.
hannah claire brimelow
The second you have an embryo.
tim pool
It's all right.
So let's pull this tweet up.
We have this from Lila Rose, who is of course, is it live action?
I never know.
hannah claire brimelow
I always call it live action.
tim pool
Live action it is.
Okay.
Pro-life activists, she tweets, there's a crucial conversation happening right now about protecting children and political strategy.
She says, we are pro-life activists.
What should our response be when Trump repeatedly takes step after step back from what it means to protect innocent pre-born lives to the point of supporting abortion pills and vowing to veto abortion bans?
Is it wrong for Trump supporters to demand that pro-life activists be endlessly loyal to Trump in response to repeated betrayal?
Expressions of disappointment are not enough.
Disappointment is not being counted at the ballot box.
The currency in the language in this season is votes.
Trump has plenty of opportunity to still win the pro-life vote, and it will only help his campaign.
I want Trump to win as a pro-life candidate, but let's be clear, Trump winning as a pro-abortion candidate is a loss for the pro-life movement.
Given the current situation, we have two pro-abortion tickets.
A Trump win is not a pro-life win right now.
Pro-lifers will need to challenge both leaders either way.
We only help Trump by sounding the alarm.
Trump is losing pro-life votes regardless of what I say because of his own actions.
Kamala Harris supports abortion up until birth, unrestricted and tax-funded.
Of course, Harris does not deserve the pro-life vote.
But this does not mean Trump should not be challenged with the truth.
We'll continue to speak the truth and demand better from the Trump campaign for the sake of innocent babies who cannot speak for themselves.
Fear cannot keep us from doing and saying what is right.
We are two months after the election.
It's not too late for Trump to change course.
She goes into mention, she urges Trump to say he will fight for life, etc., etc.
I have no problem with the statement, but when she said that she and many others wouldn't vote for him over this, is just one of the gosh darn stupidest things I've ever heard.
ian crossland
Is this over the IVF statements?
tim pool
No, no, the conflict has been, she tweeted, if you're not pro-life, you don't get pro-life votes.
Which is an absurdity.
As if the only—welcome to Single Issue Voters, I guess, I get it.
But as if—I tweeted, and this is so funny, because I'm sorry, but people are really dumb, and this is just reality, and I'll explain, I'll explain.
If you won't ban war, you don't get anti-war votes.
ian crossland
Yeah, if you're not Jesus, you don't get the Christian vote.
That's basically what I was going to tweet.
I'd held back.
tim pool
If Donald Trump could ban war, I think war is wrong.
Trump should be coming out and saying that he will ban war all the time, no matter what, and never allow it to happen, and he will shut... Well, he can't do that.
That's ridiculous.
I'm going to vote for the person who's going to get me as close to possible to my goals.
We don't jump from A to Z overnight.
We have to go through B, C, D, E, F, G, etc, etc.
And so, let me tell you, in response to these tweets that I've made, so we're trying to book members of Congress, and our booking is telling us that there are members of Congress who are like, isn't Tim coming after Trump now?
Like, are you people really this stupid?
Holy crap.
They are.
They are.
Unnamed, they will remain.
joel pollak
Trump's saying he won't sign a law on the national level about abortion.
So he was saying, no, we achieved overturning Roe versus Wade.
It's now back to the states.
Let's leave it at the states.
And I think that's the right position for him to take because I don't think he can win if he's advocating, at least during the campaign, signing federal legislation on abortion.
tim pool
He's a moderate.
joel pollak
Yeah, and I do think though that this IVF issue, look, it pains me to say it because I didn't like him as a candidate, but Barack Obama probably had the best answer on abortion when he was asked at the Saddleback Church in a debate over that issue with John McCain in 2008.
And first he said, and he got ridiculed for saying it, at first he said, at some level these issues are above my pay grade.
I don't know if you guys remember he said that.
And they are.
I mean, we can't expect presidents to be medical experts, ethical experts.
So one of the things I suggest that Trump do is convene an ethical panel to study all aspects of the IVF issue.
Because I think all of these questions, like the extra embryos, what happens to them?
Those are valid questions.
Have we ever, as a society, sat down and said, are those embryos just to be thrown away?
What happens to them?
We've never really done it.
So that's something you can do.
Again, day one, just say, we're going to have this panel of ethicists, not just scientists, not bureaucrats, but we're going to talk to religious leaders.
We're going to have this process of trying to figure out where we want to go as a society.
And maybe we won't come to answers, but at least we'll explore the questions.
I think that the other thing Obama said was, whether you're pro-life or pro-choice, let's all agree to have fewer abortions.
Now, he didn't govern that way.
He governed as the most radically pro-abortion president we've ever had until that point, but I think... Democrats don't agree with that today.
They don't agree with that today.
No, in fact, yeah.
I won't say where exactly, but I've seen people literally flying abortion flags.
tim pool
There are transgender activists, males, saying they want to get a uterus implant so they can have an abortion, and just for that reason.
There was, what's her face, Lena Dunham, who wrote how she wished that she had an abortion.
No, no, hold on.
Sometimes when you hear that, it's from someone who had a kid, and then they're like, I should have aborted my kid.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
She wasn't even pregnant.
She was just wishing to have gotten pregnant to have an abortion for no reason other than to have the abortion.
joel pollak
It doesn't work the other way.
You never hear a female-to-male transgender person saying, I wish I had testicles so I could have a vasectomy.
It doesn't actually work.
Nobody ever says that.
tim pool
You might actually hear that.
It's just a question of are we looking for it, you know?
joel pollak
I don't know.
But we actually tried to find out at the Democratic Convention how many abortions they did because they had the abortion truck and then they had the vasectomy truck, but they left after a day or two, so I don't know how many they actually did.
tim pool
Some people counted 25.
Really?
joel pollak
Yeah.
tim pool
But the question at hand with Lila is should pro-life individuals not vote for Trump or say they won't vote for Trump because of this issue?
ian crossland
No, no, no.
I don't think that zealotry and obsession over single issues is the way to handle your politics.
It doesn't work.
joel pollak
I have been in the position before where I've been so offended by something a candidate I supported had said that I said, I'm just not voting in this particular race.
It's actually happened this year.
We have a race for district attorney in L.A.
and the current guy is a Soros guy.
He's terrible.
But the guy challenging him has said some really awful stuff.
I think what Trump hasn't done is what that guy did.
Trump hasn't disrespected pro-life voters.
He hasn't told them that they're wrong.
He hasn't told them that they're stupid people, that they're ruining his chances.
He hasn't said anything like that.
So I think if your candidate takes a position which is not ideal, I don't think you abandon the candidate because one is going to be better than the other.
If, however, your candidate runs you down and treats you like dirt, which is what's happening in LA, Then I think you say, you know what?
You actually didn't get my vote.
Like I would love to vote for you because the guy who's the alternative is so bad.
But if you're going to treat me like this now, how are you going to treat me after you get into office?
hannah claire brimelow
Especially if your objective is to push for policy that you would be happier with, right?
They're probably going to make more progress with Trump than with Harris.
Harris is becoming more and more radical on the abortion issue, I feel like, by the minute.
And at least with Trump, maybe he's not perfect on the issue, but he is much more amenable to a more intense pro-life worldview than she would be.
I like what you said before about having an ethical conversation about IVF, and I think that's What I was most interested in when Alabama had the case involving parents whose embryos had been dropped and destroyed by someone who had broken into this clinic, they wanted to sue the hospital and the state under a wrongful death of a child act.
And that would acknowledge that these embryo were their children because all of these parents wanted them, right?
I mean, it's heartbreaking.
It's a terrible situation.
And I think that it would be nice if both parties would have the conversation about we have all this wonderful science and technology and we can do all these things.
We need to revisit the question of life and where does it start and when do we give it value and how much value do we give it at every stage because it does matter.
Like parents who go through IVF want those children.
If they conceive six embryos and they want two kids, not six, what do they do?
What does that look like?
And we were talking a little bit before the show about embryo adoption, which I'm not a legal expert, but I have heard from a lot of lawyers that it looks more like the transfer of property than it does adoption paperwork, which is also fascinating.
Put that on the Ethical Committee's agenda list.
But why is it that these aren't the conversations that we have?
Even people that I know who've gone through fertility treatments have talked about You know, because of their religious beliefs or whatever else.
Asking the doctor, well, do you have to fertilize a lot or could you keep them separate and fertilize one at a time?
Like, what conversations are people not even aware they could have with their doctor because they're given so little information other than Trump's trying to take it away and actually, you know, you must do it this way.
You know, there's so much, I think, There are so many gray areas with this where people are so scared and they're pouring so much money into this what feels like a single shot that they don't even know what their options are because we won't talk about them.
joel pollak
You know, Tim raised another issue, which is the fact that we're not replacing our population.
And that wasn't the case 20 years ago.
We had a birthrate above replacement rate.
I'm really fascinated by this problem because I'm not sure exactly what happened in the last 20 years.
You know, some people say it's these things that have distracted us or whatever, but I think that that's also a conversation to have.
And maybe the reframe for conservatives is sort of what Obama did for Democrats on abortion, where Obama said, well, let's talk about reducing the number of abortions, no matter what the actual laws are.
Maybe conservatives need to say, how do we encourage people to have more children?
We want people to have more children.
And that's the context in which we were going to have this conversation about IVF.
And it could also include things like more support for childcare.
One of the best ideas that Ivanka Trump had in the White House that was never acted on was trying to find some way of subsidizing or supporting childcare and daycare, which is so expensive.
It doesn't need to be that expensive.
And Democrats who like to spend a lot of money like to say that everything pays for itself.
You know, Kamala Harris with her line about return on investment, return on investment, and she didn't really know what that meant when she said it.
I do think that if you can find a way to support child care, you do get a return on investment for the taxpayer, because a mother or father who can go back into the workforce and work and earn money and get income that you can tax can actually pay the federal taxpayer back for the cost of the child care, depending on how much is being supported.
But I think we do need to have a conversation as a society.
Why aren't we having more kids?
What is it?
Have we become less optimistic?
Are we going to church less often?
Are we meeting fewer people?
It's a great irony, and I do think it's cultural also, because there are some studies that say we're not just having fewer children, we're also having less sex.
Like, as liberated as we are, you can choose your gender, you can choose whatever, you know, but people aren't getting together and just enjoying each other.
tim pool
It's feminism.
joel pollak
That's it.
ian crossland
It's a lot of things.
tim pool
Well, but it's primarily... it's that...
Go back to the fifties, women prioritized family.
And so women prioritized relationships.
Today, men do the same thing men have done.
They go out, they try and find jobs.
Some are in school, some are not in school.
Guys do guy stuff.
It was the pressure from women who were deciding on what they want to do with their lives, and men had to adhere to what women wanted.
Guys, they want to find a woman, they want to hook up, they want to be in a relationship, whatever, the women would dictate.
She'd say, I want a guy who's got a good job because I want to have a family.
And the guy would be like, I better get it going.
Now women are like, I want a guy who wants to go out on the weekends and party and be my polycule because I got work Monday through Friday until 10pm.
And so having a family is not a component of what women want today.
They're, you know, they're girl bossing, they're gonna freeze their their eggs so that they can do it later in life when they feel like it doesn't work all the time.
But it is it is This shift in culture in the end of the 60s into the 70s, and a long time coming too, I mean, especially you go back to the 1900s and suffrage and all that, where women's priorities shifted from family into work.
And as long as both men and women prioritize work, there will not be family.
Opposites attract.
joel pollak
But are men prioritizing work?
Because we have so many men just doing nothing.
I mean, there's some problem with male motivation as well.
tim pool
Because men have no—like, look, what do guys want to do?
There's a reason why they're following Andrew Tate, and Andrew Tate has—Andrew has 10 million followers.
Why?
Well, young men see a dude who's ripped, super wealthy, smoking cigars, saying he's got all the women, he can do whatever he wants, and guys are like, how do I get there?
So why do guys go and get jobs?
Dude, guys are happy sleeping under bridges.
Like, guys are content with very little.
It's a large spectrum.
And so there's a motivating factor in the biological drive that guys will have is they need to rise to a certain level.
But if that level is non-existent, then they just do nothing.
hannah claire brimelow
I agree too that men are motivated, a lot of men are motivated by achievement.
Not all men are motivated to reach the same level of achievement and I think that is maybe a cultural factor.
At one point having a family being successfully married was an achievement but now we don't value those things the same way and so both sexes for different reasons don't need to think about well when and why do we want to start a family.
I'd be interested to see a series of interviews with couples who intentionally chose to just have one child because you are dipping your feet in the water, right?
I mean, it's serious.
You have a kid, you're raising them, but also, like, you stopped after that.
What is the justification?
Is it economic?
Is it cultural?
Is it that you both want to be able to have a life outside the home so you alternate who's with the child?
Like, why is one There are a lot of YouTubers that have been analyzing modern Gen Z dating.
but you are giving up the childless lifestyle that so many people say is what's drawing people away from having
families.
tim pool
I think if you—there are a lot of YouTubers that have been analyzing modern Gen Z dating.
There have been a lot of memes and jokes about how it's impossible to date as someone who's Gen Z.
With these dating apps, and combined with feminism, you have women who can get an abortion whenever they want,
and sure, whatever.
So that means they can work their job, hook up with any guy they want, have zero risk for having any kids,
and that means they're going to go on apps.
These women on apps like Tinder or whatever get inundated with messages.
The two realities are men— Will swipe on every single woman and any opportunity they get they will send a message.
Women will swipe on the guys they like and then get instantly messaged by all of them and then scroll through their messages and choose who they want to go hook up with.
The guy who succeeds in this regard doesn't have to do anything.
He doesn't need merit.
He doesn't whatever.
If he gets picked, he gets picked.
So a lot of guys who are on the average to lower end of the spectrum just abandon it.
They give up.
They're like, I can't succeed.
This doesn't work.
And they become angry.
They go online and they lose motivation.
There's a lot of guys who are either high testosterone, naturally driven, successful.
They're hooking up with all the women.
It is, I think, what is it?
20% of men are the ones hooking up with majority of the women.
Which is very animalistic if you ask me.
And then if you look at the response curve on dating apps, women view men have a natural bell curve for female attractiveness.
The ugliest woman is here, the average woman is here, and the most attractive is here.
And then when you look at how women rate men, 80% of men are rated unattractive and only the top 20% are considered to be average or good-looking.
So it is very few guys that are succeeding, and then there's a large amount of men that are not succeeding and have given up entirely, and it's created this, I don't know, broken system.
There used to be, and I'm not saying it should be that way, I'm just describing what it is, women are independent, they can make their own money, they don't have any risk of having a family.
Back before birth control and abortion, if a woman decided to hook up with a guy and she got pregnant, she better make sure that guy could take care of her because she was in trouble.
That's what life was for the entirety of humanity.
Now it's not.
Now she can go to a Planned Parenthood and they'll do it for free or whatever or for a minor fee and then she'll drag the guy and make him pay for half and then it's all taken care of.
ian crossland
You said, Joel, what you were saying about the phone and how this distracts people from relationships.
Dude, that's so poignant.
It's like a mental teleporter that you can get your porn on and when you're swiping on the dating apps it's like, I want to get that item.
I want that item.
I want that item.
That's another good point.
tim pool
Before all of this mass media technology, when a guy had a biological drive, he's like, I gotta find a lady and he's gonna go to a bar.
And the woman's gonna be like, I'm not hooking up with you because what if you're a deadbeat and I end up with a kid?
And things changed.
Now, the guys who can't succeed in the dating world, are just doing the weird AI girlfriend garbage.
ian crossland
And then if you're poisoned, dietarily poisoned, literally, with like,
phthalates and whatever God knows is in the foods, the fake food supply,
your motivation is screwed.
So like, if you're stuck in the teleporter, the phone,
um, and then you're, you have the bad foods, it's like,
damn near impossible to get out of bed in the morning.
It's like hard to get off the computer.
For, I've noticed it personally.
But man, when you start eating healthy and working out, and like, you don't really need the TV.
tim pool
It's exponential. The...
It is extremely hard to go from an out-of-shape sedentary life into a healthy and productive life.
It's a challenge.
But once you get there, you're a snowball rolling down a hill and it's easier to maintain.
ian crossland
Your sperm is probably more healthy, which is why you're aggravated to go find a woman.
It's all part of the cycle of continuity.
I imagine.
tim pool
There's another big component that rates of erectile dysfunction are through the roof because of pornography rotting dudes' brains.
ian crossland
Oh man, there's ads on porn for ED medicine.
It's very sad to watch.
tim pool
This modern society is sick and it's completely broken.
I believe the largest component of it is feminism.
I'm not disparaging feminism, I'm making a point.
So long as feminism exists as a cultural movement, you are not going to have family drive because women are the driver for family.
ian crossland
And that's the no-fault divorce, I would say.
I used to blame that as the reason why men aren't getting married, but I think it's more that they're afraid.
And why are they afraid?
Because they have low self-esteem.
Why?
Because they're stuck in the machine and they're eating crap.
Your self-esteem goes through the fucking roof when you start working out and eating healthy and looking around your environment and taking care of your environment.
I've known people that got married all through the age of no-fault divorce and they're totally happy and have great families.
I know lots of my friends are married with kids.
tim pool
But the fear with no-fault divorce is not that they'll get rejected or something.
It's that a guy will find a woman and she'll take his children from him.
ian crossland
It's not the no-fault divorce itself.
It's the fear of the no-fault divorce that's driving it.
And that fear has spiked in the last like 16 years or something.
tim pool
Torturers learned this a long time ago.
The fear of pain is more powerful as a driver than the pain itself.
Once you subject the victim to pain, they try to tolerate it.
But if they fear the pain is coming, they can break.
So it is the fear that a guy will get married, and he'll lose everything, and he'll lose his kids, and he'll end up like Milhouse's dad in The Simpsons, sleeping in a bachelor apartment complex in a race car.
That terrifies these guys and they're like, I want to stay away from that.
And you have these guys who have the MGTOW, men going their own way, who, many of them, it's actually fascinating because it started with guys who ended up getting divorced and losing their families and said, I'm going to just, you know, be myself and be independent.
And then younger guys who never had that started talking about how they would go their own way as well.
I think the simple version of it is mass media technology, pornography has fried people's brains, dating apps have made it impossible for a large portion of guys, and Women are no longer being that principal cultural driver of having a family.
ian crossland
Diet.
I throw diet in there too, because the poison will just destroy your will to live.
If you don't have a reason for being, good luck finding a wife.
That supports your reason.
It's like, I will live under a bridge if I'm serving my purpose in the process, but if I have no process, I don't want to live under a bridge, I want comfort.
tim pool
Why?
ian crossland
The living under the bridge is the marriage in this metaphor because it's a challenge.
tim pool
When the incel thing got really big in the media six, seven years ago, there was this guy who did an interview.
Actually, it was like 10 years ago.
And he was like a regular guy.
He's like a totally average guy.
And he was saying he was an incel or whatever.
And everybody on the internet was commenting like, huh?
Like, this just looks like a normal dude.
What's his problem?
His problem was he didn't know how to socialize.
And so he internalized all these issues.
What are these guys going to do?
They're going to go into virtual reality.
It's just easier.
Virtual reality where you can talk to your chat GPT, like the movie Her or whatever, and fall in love with the avatar woman.
ian crossland
Yeah, I just saw AI girlfriends on the porn sites.
tim pool
Yep, and they got haptic feedback bodysuits, and yep, and then Neuralink's gonna come out with read-write capabilities, and these guys are gonna be like, don't know, don't care, plug me until I die.
That's the end.
ian crossland
It could just be the evolution of the species is that the weak among us must go and the strong will stay and repopulate.
There it is.
But maybe not.
Maybe we can strengthen the weak.
hannah claire brimelow
Joel's flipping through his book.
I feel like he's about to give us a hypothesis.
joel pollak
I've got some stuff on family here.
And I talk a little bit about exploring family leave and that sort of thing.
And I talked about some of the regulatory changes.
But I also think that there needs to be a positive component.
And telling people that family is fun.
Giving people positive examples of… Somebody's got to rebrand having a family.
unidentified
Yeah.
joel pollak
I mean, look, I'm very fortunate.
I married an incredible woman.
I feel like if people could understand how much fun marriage is, yes, it's challenging.
Yes, kids are challenging.
You know, I was going to tell you before when you were saying, why do people only have one child?
The first one is the toughest one.
You know, maybe after one, it's a little hard to keep going.
I think marriage is fun.
I think it's sexy.
I think that people need to get excited about it again.
And we know everything now.
We can see everything.
We're overexposed to sex and that sort of thing.
So it is a challenge to come up with a way of making marriage mysterious and intriguing again.
But I think we can do it.
I think there is a counterculture that we can create.
And I do think that the White House can actually lead in some ways, not just on family, but also on faith.
We have a First Amendment, and Congress can't make laws respecting religion.
But the president can put the pulpit in the bully pulpit and start talking about faith.
And Trump does, but you know.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I want Melania to do.
I want her to retire, be best, and just do family first.
And whether that's, you know, religious.
Yes, thank you.
If you meet her, let her know.
I've got a lot of ideas for her.
No, but I really think that, like, she should just be sort of a representation of, like, Marriage and family and why it's good.
I mean, she's obviously so devoted to her son and I think a lot of people need to hear the anecdote to these stories, which is like, you know, I like, I want to be childless and, and, you know, kids are annoying and I regret them.
But I was like, I think there are way more people who are grateful that they have families or, you know, even exceptional or whatever it is that they are deeply involved with that give purpose and meaning and direction and, and not to steal Kamal Harris's word, but a joy to life that there's kind of no equivalent to.
joel pollak
You know, the movie American Beauty, which is a great movie, had all these Oscar nominations.
And I remember watching the Oscars that year and the one person who didn't win was Annette Bening and she played the mom.
And we've had a culture that for too long, I think, has denigrated moms.
And maybe that's because all the Hollywood writers are guys who resent their moms or they're working out their issues or whatever, but we haven't really celebrated that as a culture.
We haven't in a long time.
And so I do think there's a positive component to this that we can do.
Again, hard for government to lead the way when you're told to be joyful.
It's hard to be joyful, but I do think there are ways in which We can have people lead.
Melania would be amazing.
ian crossland
So would Ivanka.
I agree with the moms because like I went through a phase where I was angry at my mom for fucking up, for screwing up so many times.
joel pollak
Like we all do.
ian crossland
And then I realized like, yo, she's just a dude.
She's just a person that screwed up a little bit, like sometimes, but also was so awesome in a lot of ways.
And I got through, I got past that like, I think it's hard growing up, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Becoming an adult and realizing like your parents are actually deeply human and they're probably struggling with all kinds of stuff that you couldn't see or appreciate as a kid.
I'm sure there were challenges and things that like she regrets and you wish had gone differently but ultimately, you know, you want to be able to have a forgiveness where you're like you did in a lot of ways the best you could or at least you tried because I think most parents do.
So much of culture right now talks about, you know, parents who are There are.
And there are.
There are parents who are neglectful, people who have children who don't appreciate the position and the opportunity they have with them.
But for the most part, and I like what Joel was saying, you know, having a family is cool and we should all want to do it because it's good.
ian crossland
My family was great.
It was fun, like with the TV on, playing with like Legos with the brothers and then like...
hannah claire brimelow
Did you ever – do you ever read anything by David Sedaris, the short story author?
unidentified
No.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
OK.
He's one of my favorites, but he talks about – his sister, Amy Sedaris, is a successful actress and they had – I think it's like six kids in their family or several.
And he has a line where he talks about, we felt like we were the coolest club on the planet and we didn't understand why people didn't want to be a part of it.
Even though they're sort of this eccentric family.
And I think – I wish that more people looked at their own nuclear family, the one they grew up in, but also the family they could create as this cool club that you get exclusive membership to.
joel pollak
I think he called his dad the rooster.
hannah claire brimelow
His brother.
His brother called himself the rooster.
Yeah.
joel pollak
Yeah.
No, I mean, I think that there's something beautiful about family.
And I think the problem is – and this is where J.D.
dance runs into trouble. When you do talk about family or you hear conservatives
talk about family they can sound didactic like you should have a family
that looks like my family look at this wonderful family and he does have a
wonderful family and I think that bothers people even people who want to
have that family because it's not easy to do.
Meeting the right person is really hard.
And I think people feel talked down to a little bit.
And I think that J.D.
Vance, before he became a politician and had to be accountable to people, did say a few things that, if you take them in the wrong context, could look like he's telling you, you have to have this kind of family and you should be more like me.
And nobody wants to hear that from anybody.
So there's got to be a way of doing it.
that celebrates the great stuff that family can bring to people
without making you feel bad if your family is unconventional.
If you call your brother the rooster or if you have divorce or whatever in your family like so many of us do.
I mean all families have problems.
It's not having a perfect family.
It's just having a support system.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
You mentioned a couple policy solutions and it makes me – what you're saying now is making me think of – there's a couple Eastern European countries that have offered tax credit for grandparents who want to stay as – like if the parents are working, you can get some kind of stipend or tax credit from the government where the grandparents are the ones with the children.
I think for a lot of people that would be nice, right?
I mean right now especially Democrats offer you earlier and earlier universal preschool.
You could give your children to the government earlier, but you couldn't find a way to keep them with, you know, your parents who you probably like, or at least your in-laws, you know, some adult in adult relation who you know loves and cares about your individual child.
joel pollak
So I've got that here in the agenda.
I know it's a short book, but it's got a lot in it.
And one of the things Trump can do is he can say to the IRS, you need to change the regulations around what is considered a dependent and you need to find ways without having to go to Congress because Congress is ultimately responsible for the tax code, but there have to be regulatory changes.
That encourage these multi-generational families, that encourage people to group together and stay together, that can relieve a lot of the cost of child care.
Child care is really expensive.
I mean, you know, in the Jewish community where people like to send their kids to religious schools if they can afford it, the joke is that the most effective form of birth control is tuition.
But, you know, it's expensive even just to have an ordinary child who's not going to private school.
I mean, it is just so expensive.
How do you leave a child at home With whom are you leaving the child?
It's hard.
So I think that Ivanka Trump had the right idea.
Some of these things won't be possible in the first hundred days.
I talk about some of that in the last chapter of the book.
You do need acts of Congress for some of these policy changes.
But I do think that we've got to get the population back above replacement rate.
And look, we've got to have fun again.
You know, MAFA, Make America Fun Again.
I told my wife who grew up in South Africa that during the Trump years, like 2018, 2019, when things were really going well, It felt like it felt to me growing up in the 80s in America.
Like, things were fun again.
We felt like we were kind of rocking and rolling.
And then happened, you know, the pandemic and everything.
But I just think we need a positive vision of America also to sustain this idea of family.
When you think your country is moving in the right direction and you have confidence in the future, you have more babies.
You just do.
ian crossland
Imagine if the price of fuel, like, dropped dramatically and all of a sudden, like, because I'm obsessed with hydrogen.
You probably don't have anything in there about hydrogen fuel, my guess?
joel pollak
I do.
ian crossland
Oh, that's fascinating.
joel pollak
Look, I'm very big on expanding fossil fuel production, but I've got a section here.
There's no reason you can't have an all-of-the-above approach.
So all of these things, hydrogen, solar, you know, why is it that we can't make money anymore from putting solar panels in our homes?
It used to be when this was starting and they were trying to get people to adopt the solar panels, that if you fed energy back into the grid, if you fed power back into the grid, you got some kind of payment.
tim pool
It's still true.
joel pollak
In California, they don't let you do it anymore.
tim pool
Well, they suck.
Here, it's true.
joel pollak
Is it still true here?
tim pool
We get a credit.
joel pollak
Okay, so in California, what happened was the big energy companies started making these investments in these big solar fields out in the desert, and they're like, well, we want to return on that investment.
We don't want people to be mom-and-popping the whole thing by having their own solar panels, so that doesn't happen anymore.
tim pool
But I'm glad to hear it's still happening, but why can't We don't get cash or anything, we just get a credit towards... because we don't produce more than we consume.
ian crossland
You can do it with hydrogen, too.
They figured out at Rice University a technology called flash-joule heating, where you pulse carbon at 7,000 degree electricity, like 0.1 millisecond flashes, and you convert carbon trash, like plastic, into this black powder graphene, bulk graphene, and it releases a kilogram of hydrogen.
For every $4.50 of graphene you produce, you get a kilogram of hydrogen fuel.
Wow.
It's awesome.
joel pollak
So I don't have that.
I had never heard of that before.
But you know, there are so many different technologies that we can invest in at the same time that we're expanding this fossil fuel stuff.
ian crossland
And Democrats like to portray it as all or Yeah, because the oil and gas industry will resist the hydrogen move, but what you can do is you can convert the oil and the coal into graphene as well with that same flash-joule heating process.
We can pump more and drill more, and it'll be even more profitable for those industries as well.
We should put that on the agenda.
That's super big.
tim pool
Add it to your book.
ian crossland
Addendum.
tim pool
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Tomorrow, it's going to be Tenet Media on YouTube for the Culture War podcast, where Ian and I will be discussing with a simulation theorist and a Christian about the greater questions of reality and the universe, and it should be a lot of fun.
But for now, we'll read your Super Chats.
Joshua French says, Howdy people!
Congratulations on being first.
Good, sir.
You're the first Super Chat.
You win.
unidentified
Nice job, dude.
tim pool
No, you were second.
Nice try, though.
Am I first? Unfortunately, you are not.
ian crossland
You are not.
tim pool
Darn all, I wasn't first. Indeed you are not. Indeed you are not.
Cory Crider says, Tim, chicken over, Lord. Missouri just locked in the right to bear chickens. I know!
This is some of the greatest news ever.
We have this from Springfield News Leader.
This is, uh, the right to raise chickens through a larger bill focused on real property.
Parson Greenland, a restriction that keeps homeowners associations from prohibiting residents from raising backyard chickens.
Under the law, property owners, even those under HOAs, can own up to six chickens on properties, at least two-tenths of an acre in size.
HOAs can still regulate the ownership of roosters.
So we're halfway there, guys.
We're halfway there.
Roosters, they're noisy little dudes.
ian crossland
Yeah, they're terrifyingly noisy.
tim pool
So I can understand that.
But I believe that, was it the 28th Amendment?
The chickens, being necessary to a free and secure state, the right of the people to keep, bear, and breed chickens shall not be infringed.
ian crossland
What about cutting out the rooster's vocal box?
Is that just- They do that.
They do?
tim pool
Yeah, I say no to that stuff.
ian crossland
It's pretty inhumane, but they're not human.
So, like, I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, and they do like vocal snipping and they have collars and things and they go... The choke collars look pretty nasty.
Yeah, that's not how you do it.
ian crossland
Not for a free chicken.
Nah, roosters gotta yell.
tim pool
But if you're gonna stick them in the city and they gotta reproduce the chickens and fertilize the eggs... Dude, it would be the greatest thing in the world if you lived in like a suburban residential block with like 300 homes and everyone had roosters.
So in the morning it was a cacophony of like... In every direction.
ian crossland
Maybe you can genetically engineer them through breeding so that they don't scream.
tim pool
There are some that scream less than others.
Just, you know.
joel pollak
One of the illusions you have living in a city and growing up in a city is that roosters only crow in the morning.
tim pool
Right.
Yeah.
People believe that.
joel pollak
It's like all the time.
tim pool
It's not sad.
ian crossland
4 p.m.
It's always the morning somewhere on Earth, I guess.
tim pool
But it's because the rooster wakes up, and then once he's awake, he screams.
ian crossland
At 4 a.m., 5 a.m.
tim pool
And so it wakes you up, but they scream.
ian crossland
And if I scream, he screams.
If I'm playing music at 5 a.m., they'll start screaming.
unidentified
It's funny.
ian crossland
They'll start singing along.
tim pool
You know, so people genuinely believe that roosters just crow when the sun comes up, and it's like, no, it's because they woke up, they start screaming, and then they scream non-stop for the rest of the day.
That's all they do.
And I wonder what the stimulus is.
Like, the rooster's walking around, and they're just looking around, and he just goes, and just screams.
And I'm like, why?
What did he see?
What did he feel that made him decide to do that?
They just do it.
ian crossland
If they hear you singing, they might start in sometime.
They're trying to scare you.
It's like, this is my territory, Ian.
tim pool
That is what they're doing.
ian crossland
Oh, they want to scare away the predators?
tim pool
They're basically screaming to be like, there's a rooster here, we'll mess you up.
He's threatening you.
hannah claire brimelow
When you sing, he's threatening you.
ian crossland
Now that I know that.
tim pool
Adult roosters have the spurs that will slice you up.
ian crossland
They give you a fair warning first.
tim pool
Well, they're yelling because when critters come, they'll fight you.
ian crossland
There are birds that can see magnetic fields, so maybe... I don't know if chickens can, too.
tim pool
Pigeons can feel it.
ian crossland
Oh, that's cool.
tim pool
I don't know about chickens, but chickens are good people.
Good people.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
The Simple Gunsmith says, Hey Tim, about the elevator in Casper location, I work at a shop that would be able to machine all the parts to get the elevator up to code.
If you're interested, reach out to Tool Tech Machine, Inc.
in Oxford, Michigan.
The challenge is it's very expensive.
And so we're looking at exorbitant costs to repair an elevator.
It's not just the parts.
It's the labor.
And we're like, prohibitively expensive, but we don't want to get rid of a historic elevator.
So we'll figure it out.
The cheaper solution is to like build a new door or something, which then change changes second floor into a separate private area.
Simple enough.
ian crossland
All right.
unidentified
We'll grab some more Super Chats here, we'll scroll down a little bit.
tim pool
Let's see, S. Bucks Fox says, the image of Crooks walking with a rifle is an illusion.
Watch the full video, the still frame that it came from.
It's only that one frame of the video where it looks like he has a rifle.
He wasn't walking with a rifle visible left.
Interesting.
ian crossland
That would make sense.
It is dumbfounding to think they saw a dude with a rifle walking around.
tim pool
Where'd he get the gun?
hannah claire brimelow
The FBI says that he pulled it out of his backpack and assembled it.
tim pool
Yeah, nobody believes them.
All right.
Russell Davis says, put my dog Bruno down yesterday.
He was 16.
Watching you guys helps me out mucho.
Thanks y'all and love y'all.
Sad to hear it.
Sad to hear it.
joel pollak
16 years.
That's a run.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Shout out to Bruno.
joel pollak
Yeah.
tim pool
There is a big tree that has grown where Bocas was laid to rest.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
A big tree now, right over his little gravestone.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
And we took two chair legs and we made a cross, because we are not Christian, but for some reason it's the moral tradition that we... Bocas was.
He certainly was.
ian crossland
The crossroads of where matter meets spirit.
tim pool
We were thinking about that when we were marking his grave.
We were like, what should we put?
We're like, we'll put a cross.
And I was like, I mean, that's like a Christian symbol for the deceased, I believe, right?
ian crossland
It's become that, but it was basically where they would crucify criminals.
tim pool
No, I understand that, but why do we put crosses to mark a gravesite?
ian crossland
It's like the Christian, spiritual, Jesus rose from the dead, Jesus was crucified.
tim pool
I don't know why.
All I know is that we are attached to it.
It's unfortunate that we as a society recognize that's what we do.
ian crossland
The murder tool, the crucifix, or the cross, I guess.
tim pool
That's kind of crazy too, but I'm just saying, you know, American society recognizes the tradition but doesn't understand why they do it, which is a shame.
ian crossland
That's when I part ways with tradition, is when there's a lack of understanding about why it exists.
tim pool
Yeah, I was actually wondering, I was like, is it offensive to Christians that we use a cross to mark a gravesite when we're not Christians ourselves?
And I'm like, I don't know, I feel like we're supposed to do it.
You know, that's what everyone does.
But, you know, I don't know.
ian crossland
I think yes, it would be offensive.
tim pool
I don't think so.
All right.
unidentified
S.A.
tim pool
Federali says, what Tim is describing is spot on.
This is a reference to the flags.
In the mid-90s, I was told in Florida the stars and bars was about Southern love and nothing racist.
I bought the seashell necklace and almost And was almost killed in a GA gas station?
Narrative control.
What is the seashell necklace?
unidentified
What does that mean?
tim pool
No idea.
Not familiar with that one.
Gnarly Marley says Joel is a daily Breitbart reader.
There has been a noticeable increase in the use of leftism terms like migrants and censoring of inoffensive words in the comments.
Please explain.
joel pollak
I don't know about the comments, but there was a shift toward migrants maybe about five or six years ago because Brandon Darby, who's our border editor, wanted us to be very precise.
The people coming to our southern border aren't all coming illegally.
There is some minority that has a legitimate asylum claim.
Merely arriving at the border doesn't make them illegal aliens.
When they cross illegally, they are illegal aliens, or when they claim that they're seeking asylum and they're not, they're Unlawfully in the country, but basically migrant is a more precise term for the person who shows up at the border What happens after that is different.
I use illegal aliens and headlines all the time.
I don't think that that's necessarily an offensive term It just describes what's happening and we do use that but we definitely moved toward migrants Because it was more accurate to describe what we started reporting on and actually Brandon was the first back in 2014 the first to report on the Kids showing up at the border by the hundreds and he published those first photographs of the kids basically being warehoused in Border Patrol facilities But that would make them illegal immigrants
At that point, yes.
And what was interesting was that CNN, as much as they hated us, had to use our photographs because we were the only ones.
Now, of course, everyone's covering it.
hannah claire brimelow
So when you're talking about data arrivals at the border, you'll use migrants, but when you're talking about the number of illegal immigrants that have taken up space in shelters in Massachusetts, you would use illegal immigrants?
Or would you still assume that there's a mix of people with legitimate claim and not?
joel pollak
I think generally it's accurate to call them illegal aliens because the number of legitimate asylum cases is just so small.
But it wasn't like there was a nod to political correctness.
We didn't start using migrants because we were afraid to call them illegal aliens.
I do it all the time in headlines and so forth because, again, I think it's accurate.
But Brandon pointed out, look, some of this movement, at least when they're traveling to our country, they haven't yet broken any of our laws.
unidentified
We call that the migrant caravan or whatever.
tim pool
All right, what do we have here?
Big Cow Productions says, I'm loving Ian's more pensive arc.
He seems much more humble these last few shows, and I feel he's on a learning journey.
Love you, Ian.
And no, Lucifer was not the underdog or misunderstood.
ian crossland
Oh, I do think Lucifer, the Lightbringer, had electricity and was like, we got to give this to the masses.
And what is his name?
Michael and all his other archangels were like, No, you know what happened last time they got that kind of power?
The whole world was vibrated into death with that Atlantis flood.
So Lucifer was like, screw you, I'm giving it to the masses because truth must prevail.
I think it'd be a good movie.
But I've been working out before the shows, maybe that's why I come across more pensive.
Maybe that's literally why I'm more pensive.
tim pool
It's a testosterone.
It's increasing.
It's gonna be a year from now and Ian's gonna be super massive and he's just gonna be sitting there with a beard just like nodding like yes.
ian crossland
It's funny how shame like I'm like I can't go on the show with wiener arms and I don't want to wear long sleeve shirts in the 90 degree heat so I'm gonna hump a little before the show.
tim pool
George says there's a video game called We Happy Few set in a dystopian city where everyone is required to take a medication called joy.
Joy makes you hallucinate and see the world in cheerful colors and numbs you to emotions.
I remember that game.
It looks fun.
Haven't played it.
I also recommend, um, uh, let's, let me, let me pull up a Capital of Conformity.
joel pollak
You know, there was an article recently just on that topic.
It's unreasonable to expect joy all the time.
Like that's a state of mind that can only be achieved through chemicals.
Like you can't like life, you're going to be bored.
You're going to be grumpy, even if everything's going well, like I think it's, yeah.
tim pool
If you guys have not seen this, we shouted it out a while ago when it came out, because this is now a year ago.
Capital of Conformity was sent to me.
It's a YouTube video by Azay Alter, who has now turned it into a series with a bunch of different videos.
And I feel like his Capital of Conformity, it's 2 minutes and 42 minutes long, is a short film.
It's it's a modern masterpiece.
Shout out to Azay Alter on YouTube.
Because the use of AI makes it really feel like how a nightmare feels.
And the short film is basically about living in a society where you are required to smile basically if someone if someone doesn't have a smile, let us know report them and you can win cash prizes and people have virtual reality where they live in this fake world where they can relive their moments.
They're all morbidly obese eating garbage and disgusting food.
But the AI video At its point, made it all look like how a nightmare feels.
It's so well done.
One of my favorite videos on YouTube.
Let's grab a couple more Super Chats.
Cool Modi says, under Tim Waltz, Minnesota banned Christians from teaching in public schools.
Several sources online, this came from The Federalist.
Really?
joel pollak
Yeah, I saw that article today, but I didn't read it.
It sounded a little bit too sweeping.
Like, I can't imagine that it actually happened that they went through the schools and said, okay, no Christians can teach here.
tim pool
This is an interesting one.
X10man says, I believe the problem with installing EV chargers in Maine was the requirement for minority-owned businesses installing them.
Maine is mighty white.
Is that if that's true, explains it.
hannah claire brimelow
That's very funny. It might be true.
I mean, installing EV chargers is not simple for a lot of reasons.
And I've referenced a couple of times, but Wyoming banned the sale of EV vehicles at one point because they said,
effectively, we do not have the infrastructure to support EV cars.
They come with more complications.
It's like you need different emergency protocols.
And so there might have been resistance on the state level to a certain point because the standards were almost too
difficult to meet.
ian crossland
It'd be great if we could build parking lots that charged the vehicles wirelessly and just every 30 miles or 20 miles,
you've got an electric parking.
hannah claire brimelow
I hear people talk about this with solar.
You have these big parking lots and you build the roofs over them that have solar panels on top because then the cars have shade which is nice for anybody underneath and then you're, you know, getting energy from the sun.
joel pollak
All right, so I've got the answer on Tim Walz and Christian teachers.
So he signed a law that will require teachers who are applying for licenses to teach in the state to affirm that they believe in transgenderism and that sort of thing.
So if transgenderism conflicts with Christian teachings and That's interesting.
of the other articles points out it conflicts with other religious teachings
as well, then you can't really be a practicing member of those faiths and
also be a teacher. Probably most people just sign the form and teach anyway, so
it's not your Christian faith that they're trying to exclude, it's
just saying that you have to include these other beliefs even if your faith
tells you you can't. That's interesting. That's probably gonna see a Supreme
hannah claire brimelow
Court case. It should.
It's creepy that you'd be policing someone's thoughts that way.
joel pollak
Well, you know, it just happened.
I forget where it was, but there was a teacher who said, I'm not going to use your preferred gender pronouns.
It's against my First Amendment right.
And it went to the federal courts and the federal court agreed that this is a violation of the First Amendment.
You can't force someone to say ZZR or whatever your pronoun is going to be.
tim pool
You know, I kind of feel like these people are playing it wrong.
I can respect the straightforward, I won't do it, take me to court.
But I do feel like the appropriate response from a teacher is to just say, oh, you don't
use the normal binary pronouns?
What do you go by, ZZR?
Well, I'm going to call you FLIRB.
And...
And it's because I don't want to use a pronoun that would be wrong for anybody who may otherwise be non-binary or who could be offended by ZZIR.
So if we're trying to be accepting of everybody, you're now FLIRB.
And I'm gonna call you FLIRB in front of everybody.
And then when they're like, don't call me, that'd be like, you can't tell me not to because it would be offensive to others to call you by a term that's offensive.
So in order to be non-offensive, I'm going to use a word that means nothing to anybody.
ian crossland
You might get put on leave for harassment if they start calling a kid something weird.
Not that Zeezer is not weird, but saying, like, he, him... And this is my point.
tim pool
You respond with, you know, we had complaints about kids using weird words that were offensive terms.
So we're using a gender-neutral word now for anybody who doesn't want to go by he, him, or she, her.
So we're using flurb.
It is dehumanizing.
So we use flurb, or flurbo.
ian crossland
As if Zee isn't dehumanizing.
unidentified
Hell.
tim pool
Yep.
And then what you do is you reassert your right to call them whatever you want, using their own logic against them.
joel pollak
I heard another approach.
There was a woman who happens to be lesbian who raised two daughters and was telling me that one of the daughters decided that she wanted to become transgender or non-binary.
So the mother, who was a little shocked at first, it's interesting to her experiencing parenthood
as a lesbian to now find your kid going beyond a boundary that even you wouldn't have crossed.
But the mother said, okay, well, I'm also changing my gender.
And the daughter was like, what?
And the mom was like, yeah, I'm now male.
You are going to refer to me by male pronouns.
And the daughter- It was like, no.
Yeah, she's like so upset that her mom was also changing gender that she said,
okay, just forget it, forget about it.
So she just gave it up.
It was rebellion, partly, is what it was.
tim pool
Right, there was one story that was, it was a viral post that came from Reddit, I think.
A guy said that his daughter came to him and said that she was transgender and she was a boy.
And he talked to her a little bit about it.
And then eventually the school said that we're going to now transition your daughter and your son.
They said your son.
And he will be referred to as, you know, Max or whatever.
And the guy's response was, I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much for helping my child.
Let me know what I need to do to help my son navigate this so that we can get him all the help he needs.
And then they said, no problem.
And then a week later he says, I got a new job offer and I'm going to be relocating but thank you for everything you've done and we'll make sure to follow up with the gender affirmation with you and let you know how things are going.
Moved to the countryside and he said within three months my daughter was back to normal and was acting like a normal teenage girl.
joel pollak
Yeah.
tim pool
Pulling the person away from the cult.
Yeah.
To remove them from those social pressures.
joel pollak
And that's the fear, especially in California where...
The state government is now taking away the right of parents to know what's going on in the schools.
I actually confronted Gavin Newsom about this last year, and I said to him, why don't parents have the right to know?
If a child says at school, I want to change my gender, why should the school not inform the parent?
I mean, you have to get a signature on a field trip permission slip.
Why, you know, changing gender?
And he tried to shift the conversation.
Basically, the argument is these kids, if they're outed by being forced to tell their parents, are going to die, like they're going to commit suicide.
So they jump from You know, this is a tough situation we're trying to manage.
You don't want the kids to die, do you?
You're going to kill your own kid by trying to take care of the child.
So, it's totally ridiculous.
tim pool
Let's read this.
We got Rich Galdus.
After 20 years of trying and close to $100,000 in reproduction services, my wife and I are having our first child this February because of IVF and embryo adoption.
We would love to educate you all on it.
We are so excited.
Congratulations!
ian crossland
Yeah, that's awesome.
tim pool
Sounds great.
Glad to hear it.
SN says, my wife and I are on our second pregnancy through IVF.
We tried for years on our own and utilized other fertility treatment options before doing IVF.
So far we've spent around $40,000.
ian crossland
I guess we should have an IVF specialist on now because I have questions that I don't think can be answered.
hannah claire brimelow
IVF is really fascinating.
I think it'd be a really good culture war episode because I think people know the letters, but they don't know what the process is like and it's not easy.
And it's, I mean, it's a really, really tough journey for a lot of people.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Cool Modi says, Tim Waltz repealed Minnesota law protecting babies born after failed abortions.
Five babies died in Minnesota after they were born alive due to a failed and induced abortion in 2021.
Wow.
That's crazy.
Yeah, and in Virginia what happened was, it was, who was it, Northam?
He said, if the, you know, how we would handle this is the baby would be born, it would be delivered, it would be made comfortable, and then the doctor and the mother would go into the other room and make a decision on what happens next.
And that decision was whether or not to kill the baby that was born.
Later on, he said, he's talking about severe deformity or, you know, issues with the baby.
And then the left made a whole bunch of excuses as to why they should be allowed to have these procedures.
And they said extreme cases like a baby born without a spine or without a heart or something wouldn't survive anyway.
And it's a weird issue because if a baby is born with these severe deformities and it cannot survive, then you don't need to have an abortion for it.
You would literally just be like, medical science cannot keep your son alive.
I'm sorry.
ian crossland
It was just about mitigating suffering for the child at that point.
tim pool
So the idea that you could have an abortion at or after birth is an absurdity that makes no sense.
ian crossland
It defies the definition of the term abort.
That means to deprioritize or end the pregnancy.
Once it's born, there's no possibility of aborting a human.
Right.
tim pool
And we had a leftist on the show once who, when asked, at what point is a human being alive, he says, at some point after birth.
joel pollak
Right.
There was a famous quote, I think it was by Senator Barbara Boxer, and she may have misspoken, but it's in the congressional record, where she seemed to suggest that you could still have an abortion after you went home with the baby.
unidentified
It's like, you know, you come home from the hospital and... I don't like this.
joel pollak
A few too many sleepless nights and you decide to start.
tim pool
Which is wild because you can literally, legally, just take the baby, wrap it in a little blanket, put it in a basket, and put it on a post office doorstep, and that's legal and allowed.
The safe havens where you can drop off a baby at a fire department or whatever.
Yet there are still people who would rather just kill it, which is nuts.
joel pollak
Yeah.
tim pool
Crazy, man.
Tenth Element says my son was conceived through IVF.
Only five were viable to the stage of implantation.
Two of them failed after implantation.
The third one resulted in my son.
The last two we donated to a family who couldn't conceive.
The embryos aren't discarded by default.
hannah claire brimelow
It depends on the family though, right?
Like that's a choice that you made and that's great.
I think that's wonderful.
But there are people who decide ultimately that they're done and they don't want to pay to keep their embryos frozen.
And there are other options.
I'm just saying like it's great that that's a decision you make.
That's not true of every embryo that's conceived through IVF.
tim pool
Jay Smith says, Tim, if you're looking for an atheist to have on for a debate, I'd recommend Matt Dillahunty.
Once studied to be a pastor, but changed the more he studied.
Very knowledgeable and keeps a calm head.
I will tell you the issue I take with most atheists—because I won't say all, because I've not debated all atheists—is that Every instance I've ever debated an atheist, they will either say, I don't believe in fairy tales, there's no man in the sky, there's no great being, and all of these things are lower-ordered thinking.
That is not an insult.
Lower-order thinking is talking about the depth of what you are discussing, and highest-order thinking could be talking about multiple realities and probabilities and forks in, you know, probabilities and systems, their definitions.
That's higher-order thinking.
So for a lot of the atheists that I debate, their atheism is rooted in, I don't believe the Bible is real, I don't believe the Quran is real, things like that.
And I'm like, uh-huh, well that's nothing to do with the existence of God or not.
If we're talking about God, an entity beyond comprehension or the logos of the universe, that has literally nothing to do with whether or not you believe humans who tell stories are correct or not.
If your argument is that you don't agree with organized religion and you think people are telling, you know, fairy tales, okay.
Now, on to the question of God, which is a totally different question.
Most atheists that I have conversations with end there, and they'll say—they'll just repeat the same thing over and over again.
Of those who are much smarter, they instantly agree and say, oh, okay, well then we're talking about something else.
And I'm like, okay, so you're not— So you're not actually an atheist, right?
Either lacking a belief in God or disbelieving in God, you're actually an agnostic arguing against organized religion, which is a different thing.
They just lump atheists into... And so it still is, in my opinion, low-ordered thinking to associate the concept of God, or the logos of the universe, with a human story, which is, again, lower order thinking. Not
an insult. It's like believing that a man in the cloud is watching you. Now, to be fair
about that, there are quite literally men operating machines in the clouds that are spying on us,
trying to determine whether or not we're doing good or bad things. And that's actually kind of
creepy, but that's real.
There quite literally are objects flying around in outer space that spy on people to determine whether or not we're doing things that are in or out of line with what they want to do, and they will punish you if you do bad things.
They're called satellites.
We use them for surveillance and spying and reconnaissance, and then various governments will raid or attack other people based on them doing naughty things.
So there quite literally is an eye in the sky watching everything you do.
That's besides the point.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Like, can God actually perceive you?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
That's a bold claim.
We'll find out tomorrow morning.
tim pool
Consciousness is an observable fact of reality, and consciousness exists as a component of reality, ergo, reality has consciousness.
ian crossland
But I think sentience, more of that sentience, and that consciousness is when that sentience corroborates with matter, and that if God is ephemeral, ethereal, that it doesn't have consciousness, it's only sentient.
tim pool
You can have an argument of an Einsteinian God, a great power that does not interfere with the day-to-day ongoings of humanity, or you can believe in a Christian God who has a preferred outcome and watches, but those are totally different arguments outside of whether God exists.
ian crossland
Religion is like one guy's experience with God, and then a bunch of people wrote it down and are like, now I'm going to think that that guy is the one that was able—but it's like, bro, God is real.
Well, we can talk about this tomorrow.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll grab one more Super Chat before we go.
And then tomorrow the show is on Tenet Media if you want to watch us debate this stuff.
unidentified
F.S.
tim pool
Clare says, Respectfully, interacting with women has become about a risk-benefit analysis.
At a woman's whim, a man can be destroyed either via accusation or family court.
There is no risk of losing your livelihood with MGTOW, just peace.
The right is telling men to risk it.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Go to church.
Go to a community where people don't have these values and find what works.
But why?
Because it is rewarding to have friends and family.
And if you do go your own way, one day you'll be an old man sitting in a hospital bed, in a sterile room, where your heart is in pain, and the doctor will say, it's time now, I'm sorry, there's nothing we can do, is there anyone you'd like us to call?
And you will say, no.
And he'll say, well, press the button if you need us, and then you'll be sitting in that room staring at the wall as your heart slowly fades and then you cease to exist.
That sounds like a nightmare to me.
As opposed to the alternative where you're surrounded by your children and your grandchildren, they're holding your hands and they're saying they love you, you've given them everything, they'll carry on your name and legacy, and you have a smile on your face and a tear in your eye, and then you drift off to sleep and go to the great beyond.
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joel pollak
Yeah, just get a copy of my book, The Agenda, What Trump Should Do in His First 100 Days, at Amazon.com.
tim pool
With a forward by Steve Bannon.
joel pollak
Forward by Steve Bannon.
It was the last thing he wrote before he reported to prison.
tim pool
Holy crap!
Well, he'll be back soon and we're excited for it.
ian crossland
I have a copy here as well, The Agenda.
Joel, always a fascinating human being.
Good to see you, man.
joel pollak
It's good to be back.
ian crossland
And check out my YouTube channel.
I did a cover of My Hero by Foo Fighters that turned out like fire on ice.
It's beautiful.
And also I did a cover, well it'll be up, I'm gonna be posting covers on my YouTube channel every day, like one a day.
I've got them scheduled.
I put them on Instagram and X, but just subscribe to me on YouTube and check out that video and let me know what you think about it in the comments.
I'd be happy to hear.
unidentified
Cool.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it's been fun having you here.
I thought it was a really interesting conversation.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com.
That's Scanner News.
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Thanks for everything you guys do.
Have a good night.
tim pool
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