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Grand Jury Empaneled In Trump Assassination, Maybe 2nd Shooter Or CIA w/ RC Maxwell | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Absolutely wild story coming out of human events.
We've got a grand jury being impaneled in the Trump assassination.
We don't know exactly who this is for, but this is to consider criminal charges.
There's a lot of wild speculation, but again, we have no idea.
Some are saying, could there have been a second shooter?
No idea.
Some are saying, could it be maybe just a fall guy?
So that they can pass the buck off to someone and say it's their fault, they're the reason for the security lapse, and they'll call it negligence of some sort.
We don't know.
What we do know is that thanks to human events and America First Legal, we have gotten confirmation of a grand jury being impaneled in the Trump assassination attempt.
This is huge news.
So we'll talk about that, plus a bunch of other stories.
Nate Silver, his predictions are swinging wildly.
He now has Kamala Harris.
Potentially, or probably the win is only slightly, slightly beyond Donald Trump.
So it's a pretty, it's a tough call.
Then, of course, we have—this one was weird.
This morning or yesterday, Kamala Harris put out this letter from Tucker, a conservative who doesn't agree on everything, and it really did feel like she was trying to trick people who only read headlines into believing that Tucker Carlson Gave her a, you know, a fist bump and a nod.
Not really an endorsement, but I know we can work together on certain gun control issues or whatever.
And she said, thanks, Tucker.
I know we don't always agree, but yes, we can.
And, you know...
A lot of these liberal pundits are like, yeah, it sounds like Tucker Carlson.
The liberal media then says, oh, it's a conspiracy theory, but come on.
For what reason would Kamala Harris say, thanks, Tucker, I know we don't always agree?
So we're going to talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is R.C.
Maxwell.
r c maxwell
Thanks for having me on, Tim.
Glad to be here finally as a guest.
I came with other people as the man behind the cloak, but it's finally to get some shine here.
tim pool
Well, who are you?
What do you do?
r c maxwell
I'm a political consultant.
I like to say I'm an ethical consultant because I generally work with America First candidates and PACs.
I work with two Trump-coordinated PACs right now, Turning Point Action, which you guys are probably
very familiar with, and the Pennsylvania Chase.
You guys have had Cliff on as well.
We're up in Pennsylvania trying to win there and trying to win in Arizona and Georgia and Michigan
and Wisconsin through Turning Point Action.
So I'm very, very, very busy, and I just had a little newborn myself.
So enjoying family life, and I'm glad to be here talking about the topics of the day.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
It should be fun.
Ian is back.
ian crossland
I'm back, man.
And I'm glad you mentioned ethics.
That's one of my favorite things to talk about.
I love it.
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I love it.
ian crossland
That's what I do with Mines for like a decade while we were starting that company is just the ethics of social media and like how addictive should you... I just love it.
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hannah claire brimelow
Did you end up doing a live taste test of a graphic novel?
ian crossland
Yes, I have a recording of it.
I looked so faded.
It was like I just woke up.
hannah claire brimelow
You really needed the coffee.
ian crossland
But I have the video.
I should upload it.
hannah claire brimelow
It'd be funny.
ian crossland
It was delicious.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I'm glad you're both here tonight.
I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, Scanner News.
Let's get started.
tim pool
Here's a story from Human Events.
Scoop!
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U.S.
tim pool
attorney has impaneled grand jury to consider criminal charges in Trump assassination investigation.
The Western District of Pennsylvania has impaneled a grand jury to investigate the attempted assassination of Donald Trump on July 13th in Butler, PA.
A letter obtained by Human Events from America First Legal reveals that a records request for information on would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks was denied because those records are within the scope of a grand jury subpoena.
So I'm going to pause real quick.
I know the speculation is, could there have been a second shooter?
Could this be someone in intelligence?
It could be as simple as they want to charge his dad.
They say that the gun may have come from his father.
This may be similar to other stories we've heard in the past where they say the father was required to keep the gun secure.
We don't know exactly what this could be.
And I'm not trying to imply that the father did anything wrong or in any way committed a crime.
I'm just saying some people may want to jump immediately to, I bet they're going to have a patsy for this and they're going to say someone did something criminal.
It may be like a local street dealer named Crazy Gun.
Sold him a gun illegally or something.
It could be something really, really light.
However, it is still big news because it implies they are seeking to actually find criminal culpability in how the Trump assassination happened.
They're going to say the letter from the Community College of Allegheny County in response to attorney Wally Zimelong denies the request for records on Crooks pertaining to his student files, records, documents, communication, disciplinary records, or other data containing his name.
Quote, Please be advised that your request is denied on the basis that it requests records that relate to an ongoing criminal investigation which are exempt from disclosure.
Specifically, the records that you have requested are within the scope of a grand jury subpoena issued to CCAC.
By the United States District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania, in which the U.S.
Attorney's Office has confirmed relate to an ongoing criminal investigation.
The purpose of a federal grand jury is to consider criminal charges against a target or range of targets.
This is the first indication that a grand jury has been impaneled in the district to investigate the attempted assassination.
So Jack Posobiec was talking about this earlier.
It may actually be something really simple.
But it could be something even much more complicated.
Perhaps a cover-up.
Perhaps Crooks was supposed to be the fall guy, but he is no longer living.
You don't criminally charge someone who no longer exists.
So maybe they need a patsy.
Not even a patsy, but a scapegoat to say this is the person responsible for what happened, and then pass off the responsibility from themselves.
hannah claire brimelow
And the special agent from the Pittsburgh, the FBI's Pittsburgh field office did have a meeting with the press today where he said, based on our investigation so far, we have not been able to determine a motive, although it wasn't, you know, clearly political.
He definitely crooks acted alone.
Here's a picture of the IED we found in his car.
Here's a picture of the gun.
So they are sort of trying to posture as if they are making progress in this investigation.
My mind tends to be the simplest explanation.
They're going after his dad.
We saw this with Ethan Crumbly, the high school shooter.
r c maxwell
Absolutely.
hannah claire brimelow
And his parents were both found guilty and incarcerated in relation to their inability to keep a gun out of, you know, what they, you know, everyone, the government has said it was a trouble, a clearly troubled student's hand.
r c maxwell
And the difference in that case is that Ethan Crumbly's parents never called the cops at any moment in time.
Now, Crooks' parents at one point in time were notified police.
They were concerned Crooks was missing, the rally was happening.
It's a material fact that they notified police.
So that almost gives credence to the fact that they knew something and maybe they didn't divulge enough information.
hannah claire brimelow
And Crumbly was a minor in the care of his parents, right?
Crooks was 20 years old.
He may have lived at home, but he is an adult.
That's very different.
r c maxwell
I want to put something also important on this radar, is that, you know, during Black Lives Matter, there was not a prosecution after a grand jury convened for Michael Brown's death.
For the first time ever, we saw the Washington Post and the New York Times crawl into statistics on federal grand juries, how often, when they convene, do they lead to indictments, and they said 99.9% of cases, when they convene, an indictment happens.
So that's certainly bad news.
tim pool
Or conviction.
r c maxwell
A conviction happens.
tim pool
The conviction rate is now 100%.
r c maxwell
So this is bad news for whoever maybe have done something.
The fact that a grand jury certainly exists, and they did not want this news to come out.
This is just an accidental faux pas as a result of this community college.
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Yup.
ian crossland
Newb in the room.
Grand jury means that there's no judge?
Is that what that means?
Why is the jury grand?
What's the difference of a grand jury and a jury?
tim pool
It's just the name.
A grand jury is convened to determine if there's a preponderance of evidence so that an indictment can be issued.
So, this is actually really awesome.
It's really awesome.
The state can't just be like, we're gonna arrest Ian on these very serious life-altering charges.
They have to actually empanel jurors and say, we think this guy should be criminally charged and here's the evidence why.
Now, it's not adversarial.
Sometimes in the grand jury proceedings you can testify, but usually you don't.
You just get arrested and indicted.
But at least there's that first level.
The indictment is not a statement of guilt.
It's, we think this guy may have committed this crime, so there should be a trial over this.
If the jury agrees, and it's very easy to get an indictment, then you move to the next stages, which may be arrests, Or, it really depends on the crime.
ian crossland
So, instead of getting an arrest warrant, they have to go through a jury, a grand jury, to get the warrant, basically?
tim pool
I'm not a lawyer, so a lawyer would probably explain way better, because I don't actually know why.
r c maxwell
That is correct.
You cannot, before, without a grand jury indictment, unless there's enough preponderance of evidence to initially arrest, but once you're actually charged, usually there's an indictment.
tim pool
Right.
r c maxwell
That comes with that, yeah.
tim pool
Well, so, in some instances, they just go and arrest you.
r c maxwell
Right.
If they catch you with coke or something, you're just getting arrested for possession.
Then you have to see the judge.
You've already been arraigned.
You've already been indicted.
There's evidence.
ian crossland
Oh, so they gotta get the warrant from the grand jury.
I'm sorry to ask a stupid question.
tim pool
They get a warrant from a judge.
The indictment from the grand jury.
r c maxwell
Yeah, if you're suspected of being a coke dealer, they have to prove you're a coke dealer to actually arrest you.
You get indicted.
Usually a district attorney will decide, I want to have this person indicted before you're charged with a significant felony like distribution of narcotics.
tim pool
And I do think they can issue their own indictments.
I mean, again, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know exactly the process, but there have been instances where people have been arrested before the indictments were issued.
And I don't know what's proper or not, but what I can say is, grand juries will look at the evidence, not determine guilt, just determine that there should be a trial over this.
So if there's like a video of a guy beating a woman, and then she's found dead, and then they find, you know, a bloodstained glove in his house, they say like, look, this guy should be arrested and charged, we think this is why, they say okay, arrest him, and then bring the evidence to trial and let him out as a defense.
ian crossland
Then they issue the indictment, they go arrest the guy, So there's a grand jury that'll get the arrest going and then there's an actual, just a jury that will decide if they're guilty or not.
tim pool
If it goes to trial.
ian crossland
And they're not the same jury.
tim pool
Maybe you want to bench trial.
r c maxwell
The grand jury just determines probable cause for the arrest.
Again, like we said, sometimes the officer conducts that probable cause himself.
ian crossland
And in this case, there's a grand jury that's being supplied with evidence right now for some sort of action that is unknown.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
And it's potentially like negligence to the parents for leaving the gun out.
tim pool
No, who knows?
I mean, as you guys mentioned, he was an adult, so that shouldn't apply.
ian crossland
But they should have their gun in a safe, and maybe they didn't have a locked safe.
tim pool
I don't think that matters in PA.
I believe there's a law basically, most states have a law about children having access to weapons, but these are minor children, these are young children.
If you own a rifle, you store it how you want to store it, it might, if it gets stolen, it's not your fault someone stole it, it's the criminal who stole it.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
And there are reports about Matthew McCarthy- Depending on the state, some states might just be like, don't know, don't care, they're evil, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
The reports about Matthew Crumbly come from this report that he's hired a big lawyer and that, you know, he's been speaking with the FBI and stuff like that.
I think that's why people feel like it's the simplest explanation because we're now seeing this pattern of parents of gunmen being investigated as part of the crime.
It doesn't mean that's what this is.
ian crossland
The Pennsylvania, the local cops kind of got dragged through it on this one.
Like they got blamed for a lot of the mismanagement that the Secret Service was supposed to be overseeing.
So if they're like, yo, we're going to actually look into if there was negligence by the secret, can they like charge the Secret Service with with crimes?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, the FBI, again, when they did their their special agent, Kevin Rojek, who was doing this press conference today, was saying, you know, The man who took out Crooks in the end was ultimately a Secret Service sniper, and we're so grateful for the support we've gotten from local police.
And, you know, they're kind of, I think, trying to offer a united front, mended fences approach, because I think you're right.
Initially, Director Kim Cheadle really seemed to be saying, oh, yes, we're in charge, but also it was the local police who messed up by not securing that building.
And I can only imagine if you're a local policeman on the ground saying, What the heck?
Like, you guys are in charge of this, you don't give us any support, and then you're blaming us?
ian crossland
Oh, in a community that favors Trump, if you were in charge of the local police that got blamed for not putting Overwatch on that building?
Like, the entire community.
tim pool
It's supposed to be Secret Service.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
r c maxwell
And the FBI is in charge of this investigation now.
And don't forget that the FBI placed five Secret Service agents on leave.
So we don't know if that's what level of negligence the FBI is placing on these people, but certainly the FBI believes five individuals should be placed on leave.
hannah claire brimelow
And is that in relation to this grand jury?
r c maxwell
I mean, it's... That's not been confirmed.
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Right.
hannah claire brimelow
There's so little information.
And that's why I find, again, the timing of this press conference today where they're saying, well, we did actually get access to Thomas Crooks' encrypted emails.
You know, they weren't that sophisticated.
We were able to access them and, you know, we're just looking at them.
Like, they keep saying they're trying to find motive and they are still not telling us anything, but yet they are clearly moving forward on some front.
tim pool
What if it's as crazy as they actually criminally charge Secret Service for either negligence or even crazier, some kind of involvement?
hannah claire brimelow
Conspiracy, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
They put agents on leave.
There's disciplinary action being taken.
That would rattle- There's an investigation.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it would.
tim pool
But it would be a great scapegoat for whoever actually wanted harm to come to Donald Trump.
I think it just- Find a patsy, find a fall guy.
r c maxwell
It begets more questions.
If Secret Service agents are placed on some sort of criminal charge for negligence, it certainly begets more questions who instructed them.
I mean, Secret Service has become politicized, arguably, ever since Secret Service put the kibosh on an agent coming forward during the armed forces investigation into whether or not troops were left in Vietnam.
I don't know if you guys know about that.
No, what's that?
Essentially, a Secret Service agent testified that he heard a conversation between a US president and someone from Vietnam negotiating troops that were left behind and apparently Vietnamese left behind troops they didn't give them all give the United States all the troops back because they wanted the United States to pay reparations and apparently as late as the 80s someone testified that
This was being discussed with Nixon.
And then ever since... And what happened is this person was going to testify in front of the Armed Forces Committee that McCain was the chair of.
And lo and behold, the Secret Service kind of got in control of this guy and said, you know, we don't, you know, the Secret Service has known not to speak up for secrets.
They're not whistleblowers.
So this would have been a phenomenal moment.
I certainly implore you guys to do some research into this Armed Forces Committee investigation and the Secret Service agent who said, I think we left people behind in Vietnam.
One of the darkest stories in US history, whether or not we did.
And John McCain's involvement potentially in that.
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Oh wow.
r c maxwell
I think the Secret Service is not supposed to require, necessitate, usually, American, you know, trust.
I mean, Secret Service is supposed to be an apolitical entity protecting the president, but obviously, you know, recently it's become politicized, you know, not being distributed for RFK, you know, being used for Obama and his daughters.
Decades, you know, a decade after his administration.
So we've seen something happen to the Secret Service that we've seen happen to every other agency in DC, which is they become politicized, they're in control of the left, and, you know, they kind of operate in symbiosis with the FBI and this kind of deep state.
So yeah, I think Secret Service is less of a problem than the FBI, but certainly the fact that this is an open investigation gives now Feds more control over the situation.
You know, remember, the feds are still investigating whether or not James O'Keefe stole Ashley Biden's diary.
He's not been indicted.
He's not got his devices back.
They're still investigating three years later.
hannah claire brimelow
I think a lot of Americans are, especially in this day and age, prepared to question actions of intelligence agencies.
They're prepared to question the military.
They're prepared to question CIA, FBI.
But I think, probably to your point, Because the Secret Service is sort of in the background, right?
We just associate them with sort of shepherding around presidents and high-ranking government officials.
People don't think to say, oh, there could be corruption there.
But of course, if you're attached to the American government bureaucracy, anything could happen.
ian crossland
Yeah, I didn't question them at all until 150 yards away from Trump, the rooftop was left completely open for a shooter.
Like, now I have many questions about the Secret Service.
tim pool
Despite them being warned several times by local police that this was a point that needed to be secured.
Yeah.
And then, do I need to say it?
Three hours, one hour, 26 minutes, 10 minutes, three minutes.
They never once responded to all of the warnings.
And there's a photo of Crooks walking around the rally with a rifle.
ian crossland
Like, them, RFK Jr.
not getting Secret Service protection.
I didn't place the blame on the Secret Service.
I placed it on whoever's in, like, the executive branch, Biden.
I was like, it's his fault.
But now, with the Secret Service being in charge of the protection of Trump during the Butler rally, and them leaving that You know what was also suspicious?
r c maxwell
When I was a Project Veritas press secretary, we submitted information about a CNN producer who was involved in some questionable sexual activity with some minors, and there was this odd police department spokesperson I was dealing with, and he was very political from the onset.
Which is fine, we deal with it, but this guy was especially political.
This guy is now the Secret Service spokesperson, Anthony Guglielmi.
And when I saw his name at a hearing... He pops up everywhere, doesn't he?
My jaw dropped.
I said, this guy, he got promoted from the Fairfax County Police Department, this guy, Anthony Guglielmi, who stifled us in that investigation.
And now he works for the Secret Service.
So they very obviously promoted someone to that role, who has a history of kind of burying information and working within the symbiosis of corrupt government.
And if you know Fairfax County, you know, they're kind of one of the arguably one of the most corrupt police entities, you know, they've been accused of all
sorts of corruption, you know, they're so close to DC. Who is that guy you're
tim pool
talking about?
r c maxwell
Anthony Guglielmi. Yeah, who's that? He's the former spokesperson of the
Fairfax County Police Department, so anything that happened in Fairfax County,
you know, he was the one communicating to the media.
And like I said, he stifled us in that investigation.
I thought nothing of it, but when I saw that he was now promoted to Secret Service Spokesperson, I knew the only reason he got promoted is because he is a, you know, he's a competent chill.
He does his job effectively.
hannah claire brimelow
I think there's something else weird in his resume too, but I can't remember what it is off the top of my head.
r c maxwell
I'm skeptical.
hannah claire brimelow
I know there were a lot of people that were like, this guy?
This guy is here?
But I mean, I think that's true for, you know, the fact that the head of the Secret Service was actually someone who was specifically assigned to Biden's detail and had left, who didn't stay with the agency during Trump's presidency.
That, to me, indicates some sort of political devotion to a certain party over another.
I mean, if you were really like working your way through the Secret Service, wouldn't you either stay with the Secret Service always, because like you said, it's supposed to be apolitical, or He's their chief communications officer.
tim pool
That's right, he was the spokesperson during the Jesse Smollett stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, okay, that's what it is.
ian crossland
In Chicago?
tim pool
Yeah, in Chicago.
ian crossland
And then they moved him to D.C., and then they moved him to the Secret Service?
tim pool
Pretty sure there's a bunch of stories where he pops up as a spokesperson.
Everyone's like, why does this guy keep popping up?
It's like, well, he knows where the jobs are supposed to be, I guess.
ian crossland
I got this concern just as you were talking, Arsene.
r c maxwell
You're right, he was on Chicago.
tim pool
Yeah, he was the Jesse Smollett CPD spokesperson too, I think.
ian crossland
That the establishment in DC, the federal establishment, has been consuming their own propaganda refuse.
The media scares people about Trump, and then the politicians watch the media and they're like, now I'm more scared.
We got to make sure that the media tells the people how really horrible it is.
And then they do even more horror stories, and then the politicians get even more scared.
And then they're like, we need to politicize the Secret Service.
He's too dangerous.
That's ridiculous, but I have no concern with that yet.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from SCNR.
FBI says would-be Trump assassin had no identifiable political ideology.
Quote, we have not uncovered any credible evidence indicating the subject conspired with anyone else, said Special Agent Kevin Rojek.
Now, we did talk about, just a moment ago, in the previous segment, for those that are just joining in this segment, we talked about the grand jury that has been impaneled in the Trump assassination attempt.
I'm going to go ahead and say, just with as much confidence as I've said repeatedly, I believe there's official capacity involvement in the Trump assassination, whatever that form may be.
ian crossland
Attempt.
tim pool
He was not assassinated.
Right, the Trump assassination attempt.
And we have this from Fox 35.
FBI releases photos of the gun used in Trump assassination attempt.
You can notice two things.
They've disassembled the weapon and then point out the collapsible stock, they call it.
This is amazing.
The photos show the firearm's collapsible stock, which investigators say may have been used to conceal the rifle at the site.
Well, I'd like to point something out.
To the average person, who does not know anything about weapons, they see a photo of the gun broken into two different pieces, and they assume collapsible stock probably referenced something about the gun being broken into two pieces, and that he was easily able to put in a backpack.
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Okay.
tim pool
Well, collapsible stock is the stock right here, and it moves like four inches.
So, to imply that he could move the stock 4 inches in one direction or the other, if it's even 4 inches, and that's how he concealed it, is an absurdity.
But they're trying to trick people, it would seem.
Now, there's already been reporting that he was photographed walking around with the weapon anyway.
So, why they keep doing this?
Your guess is fine.
ian crossland
Thank you for pointing that out.
That's been a cognitive dissonance for me.
You said that he was seen carrying the rifle.
I was hanging out with Luke Rutkowski doing The Best Political Show, and he was talking about the collapsible stock, meaning that you could take the gun apart into two pieces and conceal it in a backpack, but maybe Luke was wrong about that.
tim pool
A collapsible stock?
Is different from what kids so there are there are certain weapons where you can break them into two pieces There are certain weapons where they actually can fold as well.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
I don't know if this is that I'm not a gun guy I can just tell you that the stock see okay.
Look look at look look on the screen This right here that little piece you press it and you can move the stock forward and backward They have those at all the gun stores over here all the time.
And they're like, here's a collapsible stock.
And they go, it makes it so that you can adjust it for your arm length needs or whatever.
But they're using that to imply that's how he concealed it, and that's silly.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
tim pool
Certainly, he could have concealed it in some other ways, I guess.
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
That's why it's obviously presented with a backpack.
And again, this is all part of this press conference that I was talking about today.
You know, it's really, to me, seems like they are trying to start steering the ship on this narrative with Rojek, you know, he said he gave a lot of information.
One of the things that he covered was this timeline saying there were reports that he, you know, Crooks was spotted here at this time.
We can confirm with visual surveillance evidence that he was actually over here at 426 outside the security perimeter.
You know they give the timeline of he was only on the roof for about six minutes.
We can confirm this through body camera and local business footage that he fired off eight rounds.
Like they are acting as if they are confirming and giving you the full story but I think obviously the fact that they are now we're over a month out from this and they're still saying we don't know what the ideology is and there's really nothing to say in his emails or his online information. They did talk a lot about his search history
today. One of the lines that stood out to me was how far was Oswald, how far
was Oswald from Kennedy and the fact that he was specifically googling like
where Trump was going to stand on stage. You know, they they'll point
out that he was Who made this announcement?
of 2023 he would research campaign Trump campaign events and when is he going to be in Pennsylvania
and occasionally would Google the it looks like the Biden campaign as well but then he seems to
continue to just be fixated on Trump. It's hard for me to believe that they are still sort of
discerning a motive when also these searches seem to be pretty specific. Who discovered these searches
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who who made this announcement? The FBI. Okay. That's where this photo came from too. Okay.
r c maxwell
I'd love to hear FBI give a statement on the status of these international bank accounts that the shooter allegedly had.
I mean, I heard that that was a confirmed report.
hannah claire brimelow
They didn't talk about it today?
r c maxwell
That he had international bank accounts.
So my question is...
Are we tracking transfers there?
Are we looking into anything?
Are the parents giving you access to the bank accounts?
Do you have his mobile device?
Can you access the bank accounts there?
I mean, there's so many questions I'd love to ask.
Obviously, it's an open investigation.
However, the media, the ones who has access to the FBI, now unfortunately these are New
York Times national security reporters and stuff like, you know, Adam Goldman and people
like that.
They're not obviously asking FBI the real questions.
They're not using their sources to find out real information.
Hopefully, I don't know, James O'Keefe gets a scoop about this because I think without
a whistleblower, we're just going to rely on the FBI.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
And to me, this is the equivalent of, you know, authorities in Tennessee saying the
Covenant school shooter had no kind of motivation.
They can't tell what the motivation was, even though they obviously have a manifesto there.
I think that they are just not wanting to incite any kind of tension before an election that could indicate that, you know, It's a left-wing motivated person.
Obviously, I don't know that for sure.
They haven't definitively proven it either way, but it's hard for me to believe that after all of this time, they're basically saying like, oh, he has multiple encrypted email accounts.
We got into them, but we're still looking through them.
Initially, they were saying he didn't use social media and then it appears that he was on some kind of account.
r c maxwell
If this guy was a Nick Fuentes incel right-wing extremist, they would have divulged that information quickly because, you know, it would have been brief.
You know, Nick would have had his meeting with his FBI agent and they would have briefed it.
But yeah, you know, if this was actually a right-wing person, the FBI would have released it.
So clearly this indicates the fact that they don't know anything.
I mean, He has parents.
I mean, we're not doing any sort of character analysis.
The FBI, who found grandparents, tracked them down, who took one foot on the Capitol.
We're expected to believe the FBI is not incapable of knowing anything.
hannah claire brimelow
They still can't figure out this guy's motive.
tim pool
I mean, to be fair, they got their hands tied with this January 6th thing.
Yeah, that's true.
You may have heard of it, and they're very busy, so they can't be bothered by this.
ian crossland
This foreign bank account narrative thing is, first I've heard that Crooks had multiple foreign bank accounts.
Do you know what companies, what banks they were with?
Has that been released, the information?
r c maxwell
It's a great question.
It was it was confirmed an AP.
I'm trying to look into this right now.
ian crossland
I don't know much.
r c maxwell
His name was crook kind of like everything that's interesting.
It's like it was revealed and then never followed up on.
ian crossland
That's I mean, for a 22 year old is 22 was he to have net foreign 20 years old to have foreign bank accounts.
That's not normal.
hannah claire brimelow
But again, I don't know.
I've heard this rumor.
tim pool
I don't know if it's true.
r c maxwell
What's interesting, you have MSN saying Shooter had three encrypted overseas accounts, and then you have the USA Today doing a fact check saying he didn't have these accounts.
hannah claire brimelow
But the FBI said that they were overseas-based encrypted email accounts.
That's what they said today.
ian crossland
Email accounts.
That's different than bank accounts, I see.
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I can understand that there are a lot of people trying to get some information out there.
If you're in a position where you don't really trust what the FBI is going to say.
r c maxwell
I mean, this says, at a congressional briefing with the FBI and Secret Service, they divulged that Crooks had accounts in Germany, New Zealand and Belgium.
ian crossland
Accounts?
Does that mean bank accounts or email accounts?
r c maxwell
It says offshore accounts.
hannah claire brimelow
See, that would imply banking to me.
But again, they only talked about overseas email account, overseas encrypted email accounts today.
r c maxwell
And they also connected that, by the way, to the Iranian plot.
So this was, remember, two weeks ago or three weeks ago, a part of that, which was totally a national security leak.
hannah claire brimelow
But they're also saying that he acted alone, that there's no indication that anyone else is involved.
So are we going to tie it to Iran?
ian crossland
It's just like, stir the pot, make it as crazy as possible so you have no idea what ingredients are in there because we got an election coming up.
That's what it sounds like is being done right now.
tim pool
They want to take away the political power that Trump would get from what a massive story this is.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's a big part of it.
I think that after the Kamala Harris is now the nominee bump, especially after the DNC, the media is now going to sort of calm down on that a little bit.
She's not really releasing any policy.
She hypothetically is going to talk with her, you know, best friend Tim Walz tomorrow.
The media is now kind of ready to turn back to the assassination attempt, and I think that's why the federal government is trying to get out ahead of the narrative right now, because there are a lot of Americans who rightly have questions.
I mean, even if you are not a huge Trump fan, the fact that one of the most influential politicians in our country could be attacked like that on stage, that Cory Comptor could die because of it, and that two other men could be severely injured, I mean, it just, it doesn't make people believe that we are as safe as, you know, Hypothetically, the government is trying to say we are.
ian crossland
No, we're like, I was thinking earlier how we live in like this organized danger of a system.
We drive by a car at 50 miles an hour.
They're going 50 miles an hour.
No one swerves and hits each other.
Presidential candidates walk outside in the middle of a crowd and just talk like, and we just trust that no one's going to open fire for the most part.
tim pool
Yeah, because the fear mongering that we get from Democrats on guns is BS.
hannah claire brimelow
They didn't even have Trump on stage when they had all the victims of gun violence on stage.
tim pool
That's true.
hannah claire brimelow
How dedicated are they to this cause?
tim pool
They lie all the time.
They claim that AR-15s are dangerous and need to be banned because of mass shootings, when handguns are typically what's used in mass shootings.
It's just not correct.
It's all lies.
ian crossland
Or pharmaceuticals.
I mean, not that they're actually doing the shooting, but people that go crazy tend to be the reasons for mass shootings.
tim pool
More people are dying from peanuts, I believe.
You know, like peanut allergies.
And so the argument always then goes like, but that's an accident.
We're talking about people with the intention to use weapons of war, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, then why are you bringing up fake ones?
And for that matter, how come Maryland has banned the M1A as an assault weapon, literally, but the SCAR-20S is not?
ian crossland
The M1A Garand?
Is that what that is?
tim pool
No, the M1 Garand is the M1A.
The M1A is an assault weapon banned in Maryland, specifically on their list of banned weapons.
And I'm like, okay, I guess?
And then the SCAR-20S, which is a, I don't know, people will probably argue, but it's a much more modern and better gun.
Totally fine.
ian crossland
Both semi-automatic?
tim pool
Both semi-automatic.
r c maxwell
SCAR's lighter.
SCAR's lighter, right?
tim pool
I would presume, yeah, M1s are pretty big.
ian crossland
You would more likely use the lighter weapon in an assault, if you need to run through a trench.
tim pool
I'm just saying, I'm just thinking about it, because Luke had one, and Luke's was pretty heavy.
And so I'm like, when we were at the range, I don't know, Luke's was pretty heavy.
And so, I learned this specifically because, I'm in West Virginia, but I've got an M1A, and, well, you can't bring it to Maryland, it's an assault weapon.
And I'm like, what?
I think it could hold 10 in the magazine, at least mine.
And then Luke's got a SCAR-20S with a 30-round magazine.
I think it's .308.
I'm not sure.
It's been a minute.
762.
All I know is that they fire the same thing, one's more modern and better, but for some reason they ban it.
It's because they're lying about why they're banning these things.
They're banning these things for no reason.
They're fear-mongering to make money and get donations, and they want to terrify people, and guns are scary.
That's it.
But as you're pointing out, 99.9% of the time, people are walking around and ain't nothing happening.
r c maxwell
Yeah.
Right, but gun lobbyists, they get paid big bucks, anti-gun lobbyists, excuse me.
There's lots of organizations shelling out money for anti-gun lobbying.
And they have to, you know, they have to figure out a way to justify their salary.
They got to do something.
So they drum up all this fear and all this propaganda.
ian crossland
I always liked the phrase, an armed society is a polite society.
I'm not sure who said it.
It was someone very influential from the past.
In the chat, you might know who that was.
And it's true.
When you think that everyone around you is armed with a weapon, with a gun, ain't no one going to be talking crap.
It's very rare that you're going to get in someone's face and provoke them if you think they're armed.
Like in Miami, I feel so safe walking around thinking like, everyone around me is armed right now.
We're good.
Even if like, if there's an external threat, we're good.
If there's an internal threat, we're good.
We're good.
And then people look at me and they're like, And then people look at me and they're like,
he's probably armed.
We're good.
It's just a great feeling.
I didn't think I would think that as an adult.
tim pool
You know, you respect the potential for catastrophe, and there are a lot of people out there who think they can do whatever they want, because there's no one who can do anything back to them, and this leads to bad circumstances.
And then you look at places where people get to be armed, and they think twice.
Do you want to get into a fight on equal footing with these people?
No, but bullies, you know, you create a jurisdiction where only criminals have guns, and criminals are gonna enjoy that.
ian crossland
I'm gonna look up who said that quote, by the way.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from the Daily Dot!
Why is Kamala Harris getting accused of trying to frame Tucker Carlson?
The letter was from an Alabama, a man in Alabama named Tucker, because she did this.
And right away, anybody who's saying that's exactly the game she's playing.
She learned this from Tim Waltz, I imagine, because Waltz is the master of assumptive manipulation.
Make a statement that you know will mislead people because of the assumptions they will make from it, and then let them believe falsehoods.
Kamala Harris tweeted, Tucker, thank you for writing to me.
While we may not agree on every issue, we both know that every person in our nation
should have the freedom to live safe from gun violence.
The majority of Americans stand with us in support of common sense gun safety legislation.
And there's this letter that looks like it was written by a, you know, 12th grade or whatever.
Vice President Harris, one of my absolute favorite things in America is how people of different backgrounds and beliefs have the freedom to communicate with each other.
We're so blessed to live in a country, blah blah blah.
In the spirit of establishing common ground, even though I am fairly conservative and we may have our disagreements, blah blah blah.
All the best, Tucker.
Now, immediately, everybody says, Tucker Carlson, we get the point.
Ed Krasenstein, you know him, you'll love him, says, I bet this letter is from Tucker Carlson.
To which I responded, remember when I called you evil?
Tucker Carlson responded with a fake letter of his own from Kamala.
Letter from a fan, dear Tucker, I can't believe I'm writing you this letter and there's hearts over every, you know, and then it's signed Kamala.
This looks like—so why is she being accused of trying to frame Tucker?
Well, it's not so much frame.
It's she's trying to trick people into thinking Tucker has been cordial with her and offered her up some support, when he absolutely has not.
Because most people only read headlines, you're going to hear rumors of, oh, Kamala—here's their intention.
Their intention is that someone's going to say, oh, did you see that thing where Kamala was thanking Tucker because they, like, found some common ground on gun control?
That's going to what we call Purple Monkey Dishwasher into liberals being like, even Tucker Carlson was saying we should have gun control!
That's the manipulation play.
We only see it because we're on the internet every single day.
But if this was back 20 or 30 years, this would have landed on the news and people would have just genuinely believed that it was a conservative praising Kamala Harris.
ian crossland
I was reading, it's Robert Heinlein, beyond the horizon, an armed society is a polite society.
That's the quote.
But this, did it say it's signed from Tucker?
tim pool
Is that Tucker?
r c maxwell
Yeah, it's vague on purpose, and there's even a mention that even though I'm conservative, I think XYZ.
tim pool
And then she says, Tucker, thank you for writing me.
We may not agree on every issue.
It's really sounding like she's having a conversation with a prominent conservative person that she personally knows she doesn't agree with.
Otherwise, it makes no sense.
A constituent who writes to you and says, I may be conservative, you don't be like, well, we may not agree.
Why would you say that?
If it's someone prominent who has publicly disagreed with you, you'd say, thank you for writing me.
I know we don't agree.
It's a manipulation game.
Tim Walz does it when he says stuff like, you know, when I deployed and the things that I saw, and then I come back and they say, you're on your own, buddy.
I just can't believe our mental health issues in this country.
And then he wants you to believe.
He wants you to imagine in your mind, there's shelling going on.
So what he actually said was, he was at a hearing on mental health for veterans.
And he says, when those of us who deployed for enduring freedom, we come back, they give us the horse whisperer and they say, be nice.
Well, we're not going to be nice.
We?
Bro, you were in Italy.
And the joke was that he's got PTSD from getting bad spaghetti or something.
Granted, he was doing security work in Europe.
That's not where the war was, but he wants to trick you.
He wants you to assume, when he says, when we were deployed for Operation Enduring Freedom, we came back and they gave us the horse whisperer and said, you play nice.
hannah claire brimelow
Or when he says, you know, millions of families like mine have been affected by IVF, right?
But actually, he didn't use IVF as a fertility treatment.
He used a different fertility treatment that doesn't involve creating an embryo outside of someone's body.
Like, you know, he is implying this.
EV Magazine had a post on X where they basically, they're saying, The Harris campaign is basically girl bossing and gaslighting.
Like, that's how they're going to win this election, they think.
And I just find that to be kind of sick and gross.
I mean, they will tell you that Trump is the captain of misinformation and false news,
and he has to constantly be fact checked.
And then they pull a stunt like this.
tim pool
Like, he's got an actual speech where he said something to the effect of,
you know, we deployed for this country and Operation Enduring Freedom.
And he's like, and I had, you know, my kids and they did this.
One night, I remember being on the Air Force Base in Bagram, and I saw this and blah, blah, blah.
It's called Assumptive Manipulation.
So what he did there was, I was in the military and was deployed.
Man, my kids, I got to see her because I came back right away.
But I remember being in Bagram one day, trying to make it seem like he was deployed.
Break for plausible deniability.
I was at Bagram.
He was at Bagram as a member of Congress, not on a deployment.
But that's the game you play.
ian crossland
And the family is like mine.
Millions of families like mine have been influenced, but not my family, but families like mine.
tim pool
Exactly.
And then he tells this story on stage about the treatments.
We didn't know if they were going to work.
And then he's like, oh, those are my kids right there.
I love them.
And then his kids crying.
ian crossland
I love you, dad.
tim pool
That's my dad.
And I'm like, your dad's on stage a lot.
ian crossland
With this, I bet they got the thing, they're like, oh my god, his name's Tucker.
We gotta run this.
tim pool
No.
No way, dude.
ian crossland
Oh, I think it's a real letter from some kid named Tucker.
r c maxwell
How many views on this tweet?
tim pool
2.9 million.
But who doesn't sign their full name?
You're gonna write a letter to Kamala Harris and be like...
From Ian.
ian crossland
It could be fabricated.
It could be.
But if it wasn't, I could see them being like, ooh, let's hit this one hard.
Let's just say Tucker.
People will think it's Carlson.
unidentified
Let's just make a big thing out of Tucker.
ian crossland
If Tucker truly got a letter from a girl named Kamala, that would be something he might be like, thank you, Kamala.
tim pool
So what you do is, you go and find someone, you ask your assistant, find me someone named Kamala who wants to write a gag letter.
We'll pay him 50 bucks.
And then you can literally say, this letter actually came from Kamala.
Here she is.
And so they'll be able to be like, Tucker actually wrote this, but I got a question.
Um, it's written in pencil, handwritten, and there's no last name sign to it.
Who just- Tucker!
r c maxwell
Was vague intentional.
tim pool
That's me.
ian crossland
Vague intentional.
I don't sign my full name.
I just say Ian.
But that's me.
r c maxwell
I have to give the campaign credit.
As annoying, and I think you called it evil, you know, all the factual inaccuracies.
Look, they're trying to win an election.
So the Trump campaign, be aware.
Kamala Harris is pulling on all the stops to win an election.
ian crossland
Dude, it's the dirtiest thing.
Saying that Trump is a threat to democracy and then the Democratic Party installing a candidate with no primary is the threat to democracy.
And they say, accuse your opponent of what you are doing.
This is like an old tactic.
Linsky.
Saul Alinsky rules for radicals.
That's like what the is that like a antifa origin of anti Marxist code book essentially they they live and die by that book.
Marxism is the idea of if you want was that just about getting power is like making your movement successful.
Yeah, it is the most blatant, dumb manipulation.
But if people aren't ready for it, then I guess it's easy to find if you hear it enough times.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, the next headline is going to be, you know, conservative political commentators freak out about Kamala Harris level like they're going to act like the response is calling it sort of a manipulation tactic.
is actually just like conservative hysteria. I mean, this is the thing. It's do something wrong,
get caught, and then just act like the other people are being unreasonable. And we'll do
this over and over again until we get to election day. And I think that, you know, should be a
concern for Democratic voters, right? Obviously, you know, Republicans are Kamala Harris fans. But
if you're a moderate or independent, and this is her strategy, which is to sort of be manipulative
to get her way, what do you think she'll be like in the White House? It'll get worse,
because at that point, she has no reason to try and sort of even play moderate at all. And I think
American people, we were talking about this a little before when we're talking about low trust and intelligence agencies and the FBI and CIA.
If you think your president is just there for herself and is going to do or say anything to promote left totalitarianism to her own benefit, I don't think that she is beloved enough to pull that off.
tim pool
Clarification, it was not Marx, nor Rules for Radicals, to accuse your enemy.
It was the Nazis.
ian crossland
It was Goebbels.
Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propagandist.
tim pool
Accuse the other of that you are guilty.
ian crossland
It is so blatant, and I don't know what the right adjective is to describe what that is.
I mean, you should know by now that that is a totalitarian tactic.
If you study Nazism, which you should, and understand the history of how a small political party can seize control of a government, it's pretty blatant.
You repeat a lie enough times and then people will start to believe it.
That was another one of their tactics.
tim pool
I mean, Marx may have said something similar, too.
ian crossland
You accuse your enemy of what you are doing.
tim pool
That is... Well, that's how they got out of the Burisma scandal.
Joe Biden was guilty of a quid pro quo.
He committed crimes in Ukraine.
He went to the president of Ukraine and said, I want a personal political favor in exchange for the United States' congressionally approved loan guarantees.
And they said, you have no authority to block that.
He says, call the president, see what he says.
If you don't fire the prosecutor in six hours, you're not getting a billion dollars.
So they did it.
When Trump found out, because Biden bragged about it, Trump calls, I think it was Zelensky, he calls and says, what was this?
There's this video of Biden saying something about, you don't get the billion dollars, you're not fined unless you fire the prosecutor.
What was that all about?
And he's like, I don't know.
He's like, well, take a look into it.
I want to know what this is about.
And so with that, they go after Trump and say he did the quid pro quo.
So Joe Biden breaks the law.
Trump trying to investigate it is Trump breaking the law.
That's the game they play.
Then, when we come out and say Joe Biden did a quid pro quo, they go, oh, nice try, because Trump did.
And this is actually fairly common in all scales of law enforcement.
Whoever calls the cops first wins.
Period.
And it's not absolute, but...
Uh, there's an old, uh, con artist trick where what they'll do is they'll take a dummy wallet with their ID in it, empty, wait for you to leave an ATM.
Most people, like, you can see the screen, you can see, uh, their receipt, you know how much money they took out, or you pick a small number.
If you don't take money out of the ATM, they get at least 20 bucks.
Reverse pickpocket, call the cops and say, I'm following the pickpocket who's got my wallet right now.
The cops show up, you point them and say, that person stole my wallet.
The cops search the person, find your wallet, and then you say, and that 20 bucks was mine, and they give you the money.
Whoever calls the cops first wins.
The cops play, it's a game of timestamps.
If two people get into a fight, whoever calls the cops first wins.
That's the majority of times.
ian crossland
Majority, yeah.
You'll get, I saw a video of domestic violence, a woman called the cops, the cops came and they're like, they didn't know, and the kid, there was a third party, so the cops were able to discern that actually the woman was the guy beating the dude, so they arrested her, the woman that called the cops.
But probably, like you're saying, bias.
It's like confirmation bias.
r c maxwell
It has to do psychologically with what comes down to who do you give presumption to.
In any situation, when there's two competing clauses, you have to give presumption to someone.
So psychologically, whoever makes their claims first is assumed presumption.
tim pool
And when the cops are like, well they called for our help, they must be the good guy.
So I love in Airplane GTA, what you do is, if the character, if you push somebody, you know what you can do in GTA is if you keep bumping into someone, they'll eventually fall over and try and fight you.
So you instigate the fight, then run away from them, they follow you, and then find a cop car, and then once they hit you, the cops come out and arrest the other person.
ian crossland
Sounds like NATO.
Pressing up on Russia.
Hey, they attacked us.
tim pool
That's right.
But anyway, yeah.
ian crossland
I think that, I mean, it's like accusing the Russians of trying to conquer Europe when it's the liberal economic order that put military bases in Germany and has basically created NATO.
tim pool
And has taken over Europe.
ian crossland
Yeah.
And Iraq and Libya and the attempt in Syria.
tim pool
You know that new Reagan movie is coming out?
And they have that cover version of Everybody Wants to Rule the World, Tears for Fears.
What a great song.
ian crossland
I know.
tim pool
And I'm just like, you know, guys, you got it wrong.
Everybody doesn't want to rule the world.
They really don't.
I know it's a fun song, but I'm just thinking about it and they're playing it with the movie Reagan, making a point about presidential power and the conflict and all that stuff.
But it's just like the reality is most people just want to be left alone and they want to Watch the game and have a pizza with their kids, and they want to make sure their kids are getting a good education, and then they're doing the right by their family.
Very few people actually want to rule the world.
Vladimir Putin, I do not believe, is one of them.
I should say this.
It's possible Vladimir Putin wants to rule the world.
He certainly doesn't have the capability to do so.
I don't think he's a good guy.
I think he's a power-hungry, you know, maniac who's maintained power in Russia for decades by manipulating the political system.
But he is not someone that I view as a Prominent threat?
China's a bunch bigger threat to the United States in terms of economic expansion and the exploration and colonization they're doing.
But NATO has taken over and colonized Europe, and is trying to take Ukraine.
NATO's got Latvia, Estonia, they're bordering Russia already.
Russia's got Belarus, and then NATO's trying to take Ukraine.
And Ukraine's got a Russian base in Sevastopol, and that's their access to the Black Sea and the Mediterranean, and NATO tried to take it away from them.
And so, yeah, sorry, like, Russia was there and the U.S.
came in.
r c maxwell
And when the pro-Russian regents of Ukraine said, yeah, we're going to declare this little decree and we're going to say we're pro-Russia, Ukraine was quite literally about to go F their shh up.
I don't know if you're aware of what happened.
Mariupol, similar stuff happened.
ian crossland
What happened?
r c maxwell
Well, Russia maintains that their whole operation was to protect the individuals of the pro-Russian separatist regents from the Ukraine government.
There's been, and there were lots of skirmishes between the Ukrainian government and the pro-Russians.
Look, lots of pro-Russian Ukrainians have gotten quite literally taken out of their house and tied to trees.
We've seen many of those viral videos.
So yeah, the Russian, the Ukrainian government is not very kind to the pro-Russian regions of Ukraine.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and so he's saying right now there's no reason to even talk about a ceasefire.
He's going to talk to Biden next month and we'll just press forward.
I thought they were this oppressed underdog that we had to spend millions and millions and millions of dollars on.
I don't think people have an accurate picture of the dynamic between.
ian crossland
There's a very interesting through line between what happened to Germany after World War I and what happened to the Soviet Union after the breakup of the Soviet Union.
In World War I, Eastern Germany was split off and given to Poland.
And then the Polish government started excising the Germans, the actual Germans that lived there.
And Hitler, that was one of his complaints.
You can't just genocide Germans just because you control the land.
So when the Ukraine was split off from the Soviet Union, and then there's Russians living in eastern Ukraine, they start abusing those people because they're ethnically not, whatever, borderland Ukrainian.
And then the Russians are like, you can't just slaughter native Russians.
Like, that's a very similar danger that can lead to like, we're going to take our land back so that you can't oppress the people or slaughter the people.
I wish I had more information about what they did to the Germans in Poland.
tim pool
We got some big news.
This is Chuck Colesto tweeting, breaking now, Brazilian Supreme Court minister summons Elon Musk.
Musk has 24 hours or X will be banned.
And then we have this tweet from Nicholas Ferreira.
I don't know... We've got an STF official tweeting this.
This is the Supremo Tribunal Federal, looks like Brazilian Supreme Court, issuing a statement.
The Brazilian Supreme Court Minister Alexandre de Moraes has issued a summons for Elon Musk and threatened to ban Axin Brazil in 24 hours.
Dictatorship continues.
So again, this is coming from... This is really interesting.
Global Government Affairs on Ax, verified, says last night Alexandre de Moraes threatened our legal representative in Brazil with arrest if we do not comply with his censorship orders.
He did so in a secret order, this is from the 17th by the way, which we share here to expose his actions.
Despite our numerous appeals to the Supreme Court not being heard, the Brazilian public not being informed about these orders, and our Brazilian staff having no responsibility or control over whether content is blocked on our platform, Moraes has chosen to threaten our staff in Brazil Rather than respect the law or due process, we then have this post from STF, which has got the government seal on it, Brazil, and will translate it by Supreme Court Federal, the highest instance in the judiciary works to guarantee your rights.
The Constitution is yours, they say.
Posting this, and I can only assume this is the mandate for Elon Musk to appear.
Elon Musk appears in it.
I don't speak Portuguese, so give me a second to translate this, but, well, following the Pavel Durov story.
hannah claire brimelow
Didn't we just learn from Francis this is a bad time for tech billionaires who have controversial social media platforms to be traveling internationally?
I mean, it is wild to me that this would come the day that Pavlodourov is indicted in France and told he can't leave the country, has to check in at a police station every couple days, or I think it's like twice a week.
You know, Elon Musk is in a different position because he's, I would argue, even more high profile than Pavlodourov, but you know, Keep in mind, they're threatening his legal representative with jail.
r c maxwell
They're threatening a lawyer with jail time.
So if you've been following the Brazilian Supreme Court, they've been overrun by radical leftists.
By the way, this is what they want to do in America.
They want to have judicial activists on the court, people who will interpret the law and do a bunch of things.
So this has been coming down the pipe for a while.
By the way, this is the same Supreme Court that indicted Bolsonaro for not doing enough during COVID.
So the Supreme Court in Brazil has become very politicized.
They've detained actual U.S.
citizens, some people who are some pro-Trump folks in Brazil before, so it's a scary time for Brazilian nationalists in that area, and certainly it's a scary time for anyone associated with X in Brazil, because I would not be surprised if Brazil actually throws someone in jail.
Again, their Supreme Court has a bunch of power, and their Supreme Court is acting as activists, so this is certainly concerning for X, but Do you think Elon Musk will go, though?
No way!
Elon will never set foot in Brazil if he has any brains, no.
tim pool
So I took the image and I put it in Google Translate, and this is what came out.
It says, Reporter, Minister Alexandre de Moraes, Petition Federal District, Brazil, August 20th, 2024.
Minister Alexandre de Moraes, reporter, I like how they spelled it, in accordance with the decision handed down in the aforementioned proceedings.
The Judicial Secretariat of the Federal Supreme Court proceeded with the intimacy, by electronic means, of Elon Musk, of the decision handed down in the aforementioned proceedings, which determined the indication within 24 hours of the name and qualifications of the newly-representative ex-Brazil in the national territory.
So, it's gonna be all garbled, because it's translated, of course.
There you go.
They are going to shut down X in Brazil.
at social network X, formerly Twitter, until the court orders are effectively complied
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
with and the daily fines paid in accordance with Article 12, Item 3 of Law No. blah blah
blah given it passed.
There you go.
They are going to shut down X in Brazil.
Wow.
That's amazing.
ian crossland
This is, I think these are inevitabilities of social networks.
We had this with Mines.
The Chinese wouldn't run Mines in China unless we complied.
So we just said we're not going to run in China, which sucks.
hannah claire brimelow
And China's done that with a lot of stuff.
I mean, LinkedIn doesn't even exist in China at this point.
ian crossland
And then, so now to go after CEOs like what we saw with Pavel Durov.
Is that how you say his last name?
Pavel Durov?
of Telegram in France, which is, we should talk about that for a while.
I think the solution is you decentralize a platform so that you, as an owner of the system, have no control over it, that it's meshed device to device, so there are no central servers to shut down, and then let the protocol function.
Because really, it's the function of X that's valuable, not the ownership, not the money.
Elon can make his money off SpaceX and just oversee the protocol translation.
That would be really great for humanity, because I'd love to see X proliferate.
They're going to, obviously, in Brazil, try and stop it from being on the Play Store.
That doesn't mean people can't find it on, like, Pirate Bay or, you know, dark web stuff in Brazil and find it against the law down there and use it anyway, which sometimes if governments go totalitarian, they'll lock you up.
In Brazil?
I mean, we're doing that kind of thing?
tim pool
There's no free speech in Brazil.
r c maxwell
It'll massively thwart your ability.
Look, there's been a lot of discourse on X in Brazil.
Like there's lots of, if you're an American, if you're talking about Catalonian issues, you're getting a bunch of follows from Brazilian accounts on X. The intention is to shut down all that discourse.
So they're actually probably, I don't know if they'll arrest people for accessing X because that just makes them look like tyrannical a-holes.
But I think it's just going to massively shut down the conversation to where Certain free-flowing of information isn't happening, things aren't getting organized, rallies, people aren't meeting for events.
That is the intention, to shut down X as a discursive tool in Brazil.
ian crossland
So if I could access X from another network, like I don't, I agree with you.
Some people like you will, but it's going to be a smaller percentage of, you know, Like if it was interoperable with other networks like YouTube, Facebook, Mines, Rumble, if you could be on Mines and access your X account or access other people's X accounts, then no matter what they, you know, obviously not no matter what they try and censor on X, but you'll still have access to the platform without being on the platform.
That could be kind of a way around it.
You know, dictators always will always try and just shut it down with brute force.
r c maxwell
Right.
But, you know, metaphorically speaking, the chat will never get that big in Brazil, right?
If you do all these underground ways of interacting on X, whether through proxies or whatever, it'll never be as many people as it is in the status quo.
And that ultimately is the goal of the Brazilian government.
And I think they're going to probably succeed because, again, they've been researching this ever since April.
ian crossland
And what is their goal is just to either have them do specific censorships on the entire platform or just on the Brazilian part of the platform?
r c maxwell
They think that Elon Musk is fueling disinformation.
That's the crux of it.
ian crossland
It's a small group.
tim pool
They don't think that.
They know that Elon Musk is allowing people to speak freely, so they're claiming it's disinformation.
r c maxwell
They're claiming that, right.
ian crossland
Okay, and then with the Pavel Durov stuff, is it the same plan by the French government?
r c maxwell
They're claiming women, abuse of women.
tim pool
Yeah, they're saying that the platform allows child trafficking and drug trafficking and criminal activities that he's not appropriately moderating.
hannah claire brimelow
And they say we moderate to the standards set by the EU, and you're going after us unfairly.
ian crossland
That's like going after cops for the cops not finding the criminals.
You're saying, you're at fault because crime is happening in society and you're not stopping it.
They're like, dude, we can't stop all the crime in society.
tim pool
Well, it's actually much simpler than that.
It's the lie they're telling stupid people who believe it, when what they're really doing is saying, this guy's Russian and French.
If the FSB, if Russia gets a hold of him, then they're going to have him unlock Telegram and all of its users to Russia, take him in France, have him give access to Western forces instead, and then we'll use Telegram against the Russians.
The rumor going around is that Macron invited Durov to dinner.
And so he flew to France to meet with Macron and was greeted instead by a bunch of police officers who arrested him.
Now he's not allowed to leave the country.
r c maxwell
Keep in mind, this guy is very anti-Putin.
hannah claire brimelow
And the UAE, where he's also a citizen, has started saying they're asking for the ability to meet with him in a consular capacity.
So it's interesting because it's really opening kind of an international skirmish over him because, again, Telegram's headquartered in Dubai.
So France is now going up against a company that's not even based there and saying, you guys are doing something that we don't like.
It's very messy.
I mean, similar, very similarly to X.
ian crossland
The UAE just said they're not going to do something with the French, that they're going to violate some contract they have with the French.
Did you see that?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, was it the plane thing?
I can't remember what it was.
ian crossland
Oh man, it was like a big deal, like a $550 million, $400 million.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like they're willing to take some sort of economic reaction.
r c maxwell
They were suspending a fighter jet deal.
hannah claire brimelow
Fighter jet deal, right?
ian crossland
With the French over this Pavel Durov situation, so there's a boycott.
Man, it's shocking.
I don't know.
r c maxwell
And that's just a way to diplomatically send a signal, hey, this is a priority.
All other diplomatic channels are now shut down until this issue gets resolved, which is a pretty big sign for the UAE to send.
hannah claire brimelow
It means they value him, which I don't think Europe really thought much about.
r c maxwell
And they believe that Europe is not protecting his interests.
They believe that Europe is not engaging in free Western democracy.
They're not protecting his interests.
They feel the need to make these brash measures.
Certainly not buying fighter jets is a brash measure because you're interfering with your country's national security.
because of this humanitarian issue with someone who's not even a citizen.
ian crossland
So the UAE is not buying the fighter jets from France?
hannah claire brimelow
He's a citizen of the UAE.
r c maxwell
Oh he is.
hannah claire brimelow
He's got a lot of citizenship which is why it becomes interesting.
He's a Russian native but then like you pointed out he left Russia because of conflicts with
the Kremlin.
And it's not just him it's also his brother, I think his name is Nikolai,
who France has also issued an arrest warrant for.
So it's just clearly targeted at these two guys who are in charge of an app that they would like more access to, but he has different countries vying for, you know, willing to step in to protect him.
There were similar conversations coming out of Russia being like, the circumstances are very unclear to us and we want more information from France.
ian crossland
I'm thinking about World War II and how Einstein fled to the United States.
It was like they wanted some scientists to work on the Manhattan Project.
They didn't have to arrest them and force them to do it.
Like, if they arrested Pavel because they want to force him to use Tik—not TikTok, but Telegram—as part of the war effort, well, you shouldn't have to arrest the guy.
He should want to go help you.
Like, that's what Einstein and the scientists did.
tim pool
And he probably said no.
r c maxwell
He definitely said no.
tim pool
They've already talked to him on numerous occasions, and he's refused to comply with what they want.
So as the story goes, they first will offer you, they'll first ask, then they'll offer you money, and then they'll use brute force.
r c maxwell
He's refused to create a backdoor for child porn investigations.
And this is what the Feds have leaked previously.
tim pool
I don't know if that's true.
Hasn't he responded that that's not the case, and he has allowed them to do that?
r c maxwell
This is what the Feds have said.
Feds have said previously.
tim pool
Or the French Feds?
r c maxwell
No, this is the U.S.
government.
When the U.S.
government The U.S.
government previously requested a backdoor over child sex crimes or something.
That was the reason why they wanted it.
Now, this is typically what the government will say every time it's a sexual investigation, obviously to gain sympathy, but I think it's a principle issue for this guy.
It's encrypted, his app.
I mean, it's not... I'm sure he'd love to help those kids, but for him, it's just...
He's created a secure app.
He doesn't work with governments.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
And Telegram is one of the biggest messaging platforms in the world, second only to Meta's WhatsApp.
Is France going to bring in Mark Zuckerberg and say, hey, we know that people use WhatsApp for nefarious reasons.
I don't know that for sure.
I'm just making an assumption.
People use all kinds of communication channels to do all kinds of terrible things.
Why specifically are we going after this encrypted platform?
Because of its ties to Russia.
tim pool
No, it's because Zuckerberg is neutered and WhatsApp's not encrypted.
He gets a call and they say, do it.
And he goes, yes, sir.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's already a problem.
hannah claire brimelow
But if their problem is, you know, the exploitation of cyber channels for all kinds of malicious things, whether it's, you know, sexual exploitation of children or money laundering or whatever it is, like, shouldn't you just be doing this to all apps?
Why just Telegram?
They don't let you?
r c maxwell
Well, I think they do, actually.
I think the Feds have free reign with Apple and Microsoft.
hannah claire brimelow
That's in America, but I'm wondering about France.
Does France treat everything the same way?
Five eyes, I would imagine.
r c maxwell
Right.
ian crossland
I think that France would get the five eyes treatment.
I don't know.
Meaning that, what is it?
England, United States, New Zealand, Australia, and who's the fifth eye?
Is it France?
r c maxwell
They cooperate very extensively.
ian crossland
Yeah, they trade spy data.
So, yeah, France would have that.
Or is it Germany?
God, who's the fifth eye?
Come on, guys, tell me.
tim pool
Five eyes?
It's the US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and the UK.
ian crossland
It's the British Empire, basically, plus America.
r c maxwell
Israel, right there.
ian crossland
Israel, yeah.
They're not part of Five Eyes.
How convenient for them.
Yeah, they're part of Five Eyes, I would imagine, too.
There's more than five.
The sixth eye, your pineal gland.
Anyway, it's brutal.
What should Pavel do?
Should he flee France?
I can't say it.
I can't, I can't commit, I can't encourage this guy to commit a crime on TV.
So I'm just concerned for his life, his livelihood and the progeny of Telegram.
r c maxwell
He's restricted to France.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he has to check in at a police station twice a week.
I mean, I don't think he should flee.
He's too high profile.
And I think- Where's he gonna go?
Yeah, where's he gonna go?
And also, you know, if he flies, except for maybe the UAE, you know, I think any other European country would be like, we're gonna send you back to France.
unidentified
And if he goes to Russia, he's basically becomes the enemy of the I also think the look would be bad, right?
hannah claire brimelow
It would be marketed as him fleeing from the consequences of his terrible actions.
If he really has nothing to hide, if Telegram is acting in good faith and they have the right to behave the way they are, which I actually assume they do, then him fleeing makes him look more guilty than he is.
It's kind of what France wants.
ian crossland
Man, the end-to-end encryption's important.
I don't... Like, I look at two futures of the world.
There's one where we all know all of each other's thoughts.
Except for the people that control the system and don't want you to know what they're thinking.
But that we're all in, like, this Borg-like neural net where there is no encryption and everyone is moving as you do.
There was a queen...
Yeah, a Borg queen that you couldn't read her mind, or maybe you could.
tim pool
She was unique and had her own will.
ian crossland
Yeah.
So even in a system where you think we're all going to be unencrypted and know each other's thoughts, there's going to be people that are watching and you don't see, unfortunately.
But then there's the other system where there's all this encrypted secrecy going on, and then you have room for error, room for crime, room for horror, and the destruction of individuals and societies in secret.
And that's like, that's what it's always been up to this point, is you could have a secret conversation in your home with somebody, and then they built spy satellites and they could tap your phone and stuff, and we're like moving towards the Borg.
Like, crap.
tim pool
Perhaps, but let's pull up this tweet.
I got this tweet from Radio Genoa.
An Englishman, so the story goes, posted a British flag on Facebook, and the police actually tried to arrest him for being offensive.
Now, there's no real reporting on this.
I don't know exactly what happened, except for this video's got millions of views.
And, uh...
ian crossland
If you're refusing to take out your mobile phone, I'm going to ask you those questions.
unidentified
And that is not for people who have no other choice but to arrest you in all the possible ways.
Yes, well...
What crime?
Tell me what crime.
r c maxwell
1, 2, 7.
ian crossland
Which says what?
Which says what?
unidentified
Where you post something that causes gross misconduct, gross offence, or of a menacing character,
which causes a person anxiety.
tim pool
I'm sorry, these videos are so annoying.
Well, they put music, so it makes it impossible to hear what the police are saying, but they're saying you're in violations of the Communications Act for posting something grossly offensive.
The guy says what I posted, the flag, to 30,000 followers, and then they move to arrest him, and then these other guys basically pull out, I am Spartacus, and then they back off.
This is social media in the UK, and you can Google all of the stories of people who have been arrested in the UK.
Take a look at going back to Count Dankula in Scotland.
He made a video of his dog raising its paw, and then he was basically having the dog do a Nazi salute as a joke.
His joke was to have the cutest thing do the most disgusting thing imaginable.
And he actually had to go to court over this.
They arrested him.
They charged him.
I believe he got convicted.
He had to pay a fine.
This is the UK on social media.
You post your opinion and now apparently it's the flag of your country.
And they're going to try to arrest you.
ian crossland
What was the context of that post?
I wish I could see it.
tim pool
I imagine it's something like maybe he responded to somebody by posting the flag or something.
But either way.
The UK is screwed.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, a lot of these arrests, you'll hear these reports, it'll be like 70 year old man sentenced to five years behind bars for something he posted wherever.
The UK is such a bizarre place because they view people who say like, hey, I like being British and I like my country as some sort of threat now.
That's how you lose your country, right?
I mean... Oh, they lost it.
It's one thing to be actually threatening, but these kinds of, you know, and I feel this way about hate speech in America, these kinds of vague claims of like, like this co-op is saying, well, you post something that could give someone anxiety.
r c maxwell
Well, I think it's coming to America.
If you look at what Tim Wall said the other day on the news, a right to free speech isn't guaranteed.
The left in the United States are already talking about some things being beyond the pale of being protected under free speech.
So, I mean, this is just an omen to just cherish what we have in America even further.
ian crossland
You can't rely on other people to give you free speech.
We need to build systems that are free.
The freedom is integral in the system.
It used to be Where you just had gun rights, property rights, get off my lawn, I can say what I want, we're all armed, we're not gonna mess with each other, we agree.
But when you have central overlords trying to mute this and that, you need systems that can't be censored if you want free speech, literal free speech.
Of course, that doesn't mean there's no consequence for certain types of speech.
tim pool
Dude, it's been a decade.
Where are any of these CEOs to actually do this?
Jack Dorsey was talking about, well, you've got to make a system where you can have encryption and then people can't be censored, and then he did nothing.
ian crossland
I think because the video is so slow on decentralized systems, on mesh networks, it takes so long for BitTorrent to load a video or something.
And so people just go to what's convenient.
And I mean, God, the technology is amazing.
Without YouTube and Google Central Systems, this TV show, the ability to produce at this level is phenomenal for our consciousness as a species.
But the danger of centralized systems getting hijacked is paramount.
Free speech allowed us to get to the point where we could build this stuff.
We needed to argue and make better stuff.
And Fuck the government.
I mean, that's the way we build, as a private entity, these amazing systems so that we can have a great government.
And that's why we have a First Amendment of freedom of speech and assembly, to make these kinds of things.
But so I feel like it's out there that the threat is coming from out there.
I know it's just like it runs through every man like like the desire to censor and we need censorship when it's righteous.
Damn, man.
This is it's just a tumbling cascade of what do we do?
tim pool
We are moving in the direction of global totalitarianism.
r c maxwell
Especially when you evaluate how many links are disappearing from the internet.
I don't know if you've also done analysis on that.
There are so many links going away from the internet.
Information, old articles, paid for hosting.
Hosting platforms are just getting taken off.
Links are just going away.
They want to control information.
Information's currently at your fingertips.
So this is why what Elon's doing is such a big problem.
This is why I support the mission however I can, pay for Twitter blue, encourage others to get on, because what Elon is doing is contrary to what the World Economic Forum is pushing, right?
This idea of controlling information.
The censorship is certainly out of control, and the United States, we just need to cherish what we have access to.
ian crossland
There are these technologies called the PermaWeb, where it's like Arweave is a company that works on the PermaWeb, where it can't be censored.
It can't be changed.
Once something gets written to the database, it's permanent.
But the problem with that is if you're 14 and you post some racist joke, and you don't know any better, it's permanent forever.
Like, you can't delete your post.
Like, oops, I made a mistake.
That's there forever.
There's a value to being able to kind of like, walk away from your past and become a new better person without it following you everywhere.
You used to be able to just move to a new city and kind of start a new life.
And if there's a permanent database of everything you've ever said and done, then that's also kind of dangerous.
But for some authority to be able to change and twist your life from a distance digitally, that's super dangerous and crazy.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the problem is the authority, especially right now in America, has one bent, right?
They don't treat people who espouse extremist ideology on either end of the political spectrum the same way.
There's one side that is bad, and there's one side that we just don't really talk about.
You know, I could understand the idea like, oh, you know, people post things online they don't really mean or it's a bad joke or whatever else and you want them prosecuted for that.
But also maybe we should become a culture that doesn't post all these things online.
And obviously, a little bit intense for me to be here on an internet-based podcast to say that.
On the other hand, you know, I think that people Do make their bones right now on the internet saying shocking things to get attention and to build a base and sometimes they use that platform for good and sometimes they don't.
But you know, we should all realize that our words have consequences and the reality is You don't want to live in a world where, because you hold some views, you are treated worse than others.
I mean, that's why I think hate speech laws are kind of, you know, one of the clear signals of the end of free speech in America.
Because who is anyone to say, well, you can't say that thing?
Because ultimately, that means that there is a higher power discerning and policing your speech.
ian crossland
Yeah, context of what you're saying, like the emotion behind what you're saying.
There are things that I won't type on Twitter, that I won't post in text, that I will say live with my voice, because you can hear my intention.
You can sense what I mean when I'm saying these.
What might even be considered cruel in text, they're not.
It's just they have to be communicated properly.
tim pool
properly. Imagine tweeting at Ian, you smell bad, right?
Yeah. The interpretation of that tweet would be insulting, derogatory. But imagine Ian was hanging
out with a good friend and they went, you smell bad. Yeah, I'd be like, thank you. Yeah, it's
like they're not trying to insult you, they're trying to give you a heads up like, hey man, you
stink. Whereas online it's like, you smell bad. Right.
The context is missing.
ian crossland
And then you might discern it as hate.
It might be conceived as hate.
And then they'll be like, we got to go after that account.
And they're like, don't.
I wasn't hating.
I was expressing the danger of the corruption.
tim pool
Here's another one.
What if someone tweeted at Ian, Ian, you're funky.
How would you interpret that on X?
Imagine someone went up to Ian and went, yo, Ian, you're funky.
Totally different context means something totally different now.
You know what I mean?
Like, we got to understand text is very different from speech.
ian crossland
I got the funk.
You know what I'm saying?
tim pool
Or what if someone said, Ian, you're funky, and he was playing bass?
ian crossland
Exactly.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
All that's lost in text.
ian crossland
And, like, there's some songs where, like, if you wrote the lyrics of the song on a Twitter post, they'd be, like, ban the account.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It'd be crazy.
r c maxwell
But if you sing it... Every rap song is, like, hate speech against a fellow African-American.
ian crossland
It's out of context.
r c maxwell
And threats of violence.
ian crossland
And that's why we protect free speech for arts in the creative space.
That's another beautiful Outcome of free speech is these wild, crazy songs about beating women like guns and roses.
Their Appetite for Destruction album wouldn't have gotten made in a totalitarian society.
tim pool
And just for clarification for everyone in the chat, whenever Ian walks into the room there's an immediate aroma of bakery fresh cinnamon buns.
unidentified
Mmm.
ian crossland
That's my fault.
tim pool
Indeed.
Yeah, it's his perfume or cologne.
ian crossland
Cinnamon.
hannah claire brimelow
You did make me laugh when I first started working here because you said you would go out and you would buy like goat soap or like just cool fancy things.
But it always ended up being soap.
And you're like, I think I might be accidentally implying he needs to bathe, which I'm not.
ian crossland
I think your mom said something about that too.
hannah claire brimelow
He just knows you're into holistic products.
tim pool
Because Ian's like, you know, like a hippy dippy lentil eating dude.
Whenever Allison and I are out and we see like hippy dippy stuff, it's usually handmade soaps.
And I'm like, I bet Ian would dig like handmade soap.
ian crossland
Big time.
tim pool
And then it was like the fifth time.
I was like, the only items we ever actually see that make sense for Ian are soap.
And I keep buying him soap.
I wonder if he thinks we think he stinks.
ian crossland
Not anymore.
hannah claire brimelow
So you did take it that way?
ian crossland
No, I mean, I think subconsciously I understood the message.
tim pool
Goat milk soap.
ian crossland
It's just so good for your skin.
How can you resist?
tim pool
It was literally not, we were not implying Ian Stank.
We were like, oh, it's like a holistic, like a healthy, natural oil, goat milk based soap.
I'm like, this is the kind of thing Ian would like.
We also got him little mushrooms, the little stone mushrooms.
ian crossland
Yeah, those mushroom crystals.
hannah claire brimelow
I should bring them back.
But it did make me laugh when you were like, I feel like I might be sending him a message.
ian crossland
You know, I guess ultimately that we need to move away from central authority, only because the pendulum has swung so far towards it.
And it's not that we always need to escape central authority.
There'll be a time when we need to go back towards a central authority.
But at the moment with social media, we need to kind of distance ourselves from central servers.
I'm begging you guys that are running the code at Google.
Decentralize it.
Open source it.
Make it AGPL-3 free software code.
Get it out of your hands so that other organizations can't come and try and stop you and take it.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from the Silver Bulletin.
Nate Silver has got his new forecast and he's basically saying RFK Jr.
actually may be boosting Donald Trump after all.
He says that Kamala Harris's lead peaked at 4.3 points on the national average the day Kennedy dropped out.
Now it's down to 3.5 in the now RFK-less version of our model.
It's not bad.
With the convention bounce adjustment the model is applying, the November forecast is about as close to 50-50 as it gets.
Then he goes on to say he's off to England or whatever.
But right now he's got this forecast model.
Where he talks about where the states are currently at, his polls, the polls he trusts and what he uses, or whatever.
And what he said in a Twitter thread was that if Kamala is ahead nationally by two points, then Trump has an 88% chance to win.
I'm getting it wrong.
If she's ahead by 1-2 points, Trump has a 66-33.
If she's ahead, I'm getting it wrong.
Yeah, I think two points, or no, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm wrong.
If she's ahead by one to two points, Trump has a six, it's 66 to like 33.
If Kamala is three to four points ahead, then she has an 88% chance to win.
He is forecasting her as being ahead over three points, which would give her this massive bump.
However, now I suppose he's saying, considering that they're adjusting for the convention, it's looking like it's actually close to 50-50.
I don't know how correct he is, but when you go to the RCP battleground average, the place that actually matters, Trump's actually doing really well.
So in the battleground states, I think... Oh, did they get rid of the actual average?
It looks like Harris has taken the... It's tied.
Absolutely tied right now.
This would imply Donald Trump is expected to win the battleground states.
Unless there's some weird dramatic thing where, like, Texas flips, it's looking good for Donald Trump right now, but nowhere near guaranteed.
r c maxwell
Which is what we always thought since day one.
We've not known this is going to be a close election.
If you follow what, you know, the folks, you know, Tyler Boyer and Charlie Kirk, I mean, and they built the ballot chase program that I'm working on.
We won Wisconsin by 23,000 votes in 2016.
And then we lost it by 20, just over 20,000 votes in 2020.
in 2016 and then we lost it by 20, just over 20,000 votes in 2020.
So it's going to be just around that margin again.
It's going to be very close.
There's going to be a lot more Black Swan events from now until the end of the election.
And I don't think they'll matter.
It's going to come down to the normie, individual people who don't know anything about politics.
They are quite literally going to determine this election.
tim pool
Take a look at this graph that Nate Silver's got.
He says, how big is the electoral college bias?
So he says, if the popular vote is from 0 to plus 1—all right, let me show you.
RealClearPolitics currently has Harris at 1.7.
If it's 0 to 1, Trump's got an 85.5% chance of winning.
If it's 1 to 2, Trump has a 61.4% chance of winning.
Well, real clear politics has Harris at 1.7, and if that fits his model, Trump's looking at about a 2 to 1 chance to win right now.
However, he says if it's 2-3, Harris has 69.3% of Trump's 29.9% and of course, Nate Silver
has Kamala Harris at 3.5%.
So Nate Silver is basically saying she's got an 88% chance to win this one.
ian crossland
There's a compounding effect between 2 and 3, where it drops from 85 to 61, that's 24%.
Then it goes from 61 to 29, which is 32%.
That's 24%. Then it goes from 61 to 29, which is 32%.
Why is the difference in one point 24% but then it's 30?
tim pool
You have to ask Nate Silver how he models out his predictions
and whether or not anyone should care.
Yeah.
r c maxwell
I don't think anyone should care.
None of this data correlates with each other.
So like, for example, Kamala can just do really well in California and she can win the national vote by a certain percentage and that necessarily wouldn't coordinate into how things will shake out in the Electoral College.
So look, Nate Silver is often wrong.
I think what you're seeing from a lot of pollsters is they're trying to create the illusion of
momentum for Harris, everyone within the Borg of pollsting.
There was no reason to do that when Biden was running because he was a corpse and we all knew
it. But I think they're really trying to put on the fact that Harris can win. And this obviously
helps Democrat fundraisers. This helps them say, hey, look, we're just close on the margin. Your $2
million is going to push us over the edge.
I think that's the reason why you see this grift taking place the way you do, because there hasn't been a bump for Kamala in Georgia amongst suburban voters.
hannah claire brimelow
And that's where she's headed right now.
I mean, they're about to spend some time in Georgia.
What swing states are you expecting Kamala to win versus Trump?
r c maxwell
But I do think Kamala is going to win.
I think she's going to win Virginia, if we count Virginia as a swing state.
I think she's going to win North Carolina, if we count that as a swing state.
Arizona, I think Democrats are going to get trounced in, specifically because Turning Point is based there.
And what we saw in the primary was increases in voter turnout in pretty much every precinct in Maricopa County because of the work Turning Point's doing there.
I think that's going to translate to Georgia.
I think that's going to translate into Wisconsin.
And I don't think a lot of You know, your blue dog Dems aren't excited for Kamala.
tim pool
Let's do this.
This is the 270 to win map using the polls from Nate Silver on Silver Bulletin.
So you can see that Trump is only heading Georgia and Florida in the battleground states.
So if we go here and we apply it, Kamala Harris has got 303 to Donald Trump's 235.
But let's start with what you're saying.
r c maxwell
You gotta take Arizona off the map.
tim pool
You say Arizona's going red?
r c maxwell
Gotta take Arizona off the map.
tim pool
Arizona's going red?
We're also hearing that Virginia could be getting close to flipping.
hannah claire brimelow
You think it's gonna go blue?
r c maxwell
Everything I've heard indicates Junkin was a fluke.
He had to run so moderate even to win, and a lot of those independents now don't like Junkin because he's been- But he just mandated paper ballots.
tim pool
We don't know what the effect of that is going to be on the state.
It's hard to know for sure.
Now what about Michigan, Wisconsin, and PA?
r c maxwell
I'm feeling good for Wisconsin and PA.
I'm unsure about it.
I was there for the People's Convention.
I've seen the work we've put in.
tim pool
If Trump wins Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona, that's it.
ian crossland
He said PA, red.
Michigan, unsure.
r c maxwell
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, you said PA is red.
r c maxwell
Yeah.
tim pool
And then Michigan is unsure.
Yeah, Trump still wins.
This'll be interesting.
ian crossland
Is there a lot of mail-in voting in these states?
tim pool
I can't imagine Wisconsin, honestly.
He's gonna have to win somewhere else.
I don't see how Wisconsin goes red.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think it'll take Nevada?
Nevada?
r c maxwell
I don't think so.
tim pool
I don't know.
r c maxwell
I do not think so.
tim pool
Yeah, that's tough.
Arizona makes sense because of TPUSA and their massive outreach efforts.
But we'll see.
Maybe Steven Crowder pulls off a miracle.
But North Carolina?
You think North Carolina goes blue?
r c maxwell
I think North Carolina goes blue.
tim pool
Interesting.
Well, it's not looking good then, is it?
hannah claire brimelow
So he'd need either Michigan or Virginia in that case, which is interesting.
tim pool
Let's just say...
What does he need?
Four electoral votes?
r c maxwell
Could still win North Carolina.
unidentified
We won our Senate race there in 2020.
tim pool
If this map happens and New Hampshire goes for Trump, it's a tie.
hannah claire brimelow
Let's go, New Hampshire.
You can do this.
tim pool
There are actually a lot of different outcomes that create a tie.
And New Hampshire going red is unlikely, but in the realm of possibility.
And the rest of these states are all in the realm of possibility.
I would imagine there's a very low probability of happening, but wow, it would be a Trump-Harris presidency.
ian crossland
That'd be so awesome.
Oil and water, man.
Oil and water.
That's what I want to see.
hannah claire brimelow
Very, very weird buddy cop sitcom.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's the way politics, I was going to say, should be.
I mean, at one point in history, we did have that kind of thing.
tim pool
I don't remember who, but— 538 says 58 times out of 100?
This is interesting.
The chance of a tie is increasing.
They now say there's a—it looks like they're arguing there's a 0.5% chance of a tie.
It looks like a 0.5% chance.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Point five.
That ain't nothing.
You know?
ian crossland
So there is a chance.
unidentified
What would happen if there's a- they'd literally be the president and the vice president?
tim pool
The House would choose the president and the Senate would choose the vice president.
So it would be Trump-Harris.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Yep.
Look at this.
ian crossland
That's a compromise.
tim pool
Five circumstances in their prediction model that resulted in no winner.
r c maxwell
I think our country is so broken that that might be what helps pull us out of this.
If Trump and Harris were having to govern together, we're in a place in politics where no one is willing to say, I could be wrong.
ian crossland
No one in politics, Zuckerberg did, recently, which was pretty prolific.
tim pool
If Trump wins, there's no way Democrats have the Senate.
r c maxwell
I mean, let me pull up the- Well, they're saying, there's people who are saying, the police association just endorsed Trump and then they endorsed Kerry Lake's opponent.
There's more than just that archetype in Arizona.
I'm saying it's hypothetically possible Arizona goes for Trump and then they elect, they send a Democrat to the Senate.
tim pool
Is Ohio going Trump?
r c maxwell
Oh, I think so, yes.
tim pool
Then Ohio is going to go red.
r c maxwell
I think so.
tim pool
Then you've got 51.
I'd say it's over.
I don't see a reality in which Trump wins and doesn't have the Senate.
It'll be interesting.
What this means is, if Kamala Harris is the VP in a contingent election, she does nothing as VP.
There's no tie-breaking vote for her to cast.
If the Senate's 50-50, and Kamala is VP through a contingent election, she can disrupt Trump's plans by blocking Republican policy by casting tie-breaking votes in favor of Democrats as VP in a Trump administration.
Which is crazy.
Which is crazy.
There's no reality where Ohio, at the very least, goes red and doesn't also elect a Republican.
r c maxwell
Right.
Because Ohio is less like Arizona with all these independents and the McCain factions.
tim pool
Or Montana.
Come on.
r c maxwell
Ohio's going to send Bernie Marino to the Senate.
tim pool
And you think Montana?
Montana's a toss-up right now.
That's what they're saying.
But do we really think Montana's a toss-up?
hannah claire brimelow
I think it really depends on how much people rally around the Republican there.
But I think there are, like every major, or a lot of these rural states, like in Colorado it's largely red outside but Denver's really blue.
I think that, you know, You're right.
There is a blue influence in Montana.
I just think Don Tester is not doing that well.
As far as I know, he still hasn't endorsed Kamala Harris.
So it makes me think that there is a chance that he loses his seat.
If he felt more secure, if he thought it would benefit him to line up behind Harris, he would have done it by now.
tim pool
I'm just over here making my forecast map.
A sweep?
What is this purple garbage?
No, we're making it red.
Get out of here.
There we go.
There you go!
69 Republicans!
That's... Oh, wait, what's this?
Rhode Island, Connecticut.
They're too small.
You can barely even click on Rhode Island.
We'll click it right there.
There you go.
Rhode Island.
Alright, and, uh... What's a VP?
hannah claire brimelow
Vice President?
tim pool
Ah, that's right, that's right, that's right.
And then we'll make a Hawaii red as well.
And 71.
unidentified
Just the whole country. Wouldn't it be amazing if Hawaii went red this year?
tim pool
That's not going to happen. Yeah, and the vice president.
This will be really interesting.
So does the VP. They usually don't count it. Oh, I see. The VP is just literally the little tie
breaker in the middle. So Ohio goes red. Now, I got to tell you what's alarming is the forecast
that Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin are going to go Democrat senators. That doesn't
bode well for a presidential election either.
I mean it.
It's not going to make a lot of sense that hyper-partisan voters are going to be like, oh, vote for Donald Trump, but the Democrat.
Because people who hate Trump hate Trump.
Democrats are not going to vote for Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I wonder if they're posturing the same way that Tester is, right?
Like Tester's not endorsing Harris to try and seem more moderate.
You know, the Democrats have this Unusual phenomenon where they have several independents who caucus with them, which makes me think that there is a wavelength of Democrat aligned voters who think, oh, but the party isn't all that it should be.
This isn't right.
Like you get lots of People who ultimately run as Republicans who, you know, identify with libertarian politics.
But the fact that, like, the three independents I can think of that are in Congress right now all ultimately caucus with Democrats or, I mean, Joe Manchin's kind of not.
He's done a lot of work with Republicans recently.
It makes me think that this party isn't as unified on every level of government as they are necessarily on the federal level, or at least when it comes to presidential elections.
tim pool
You see this right here?
Now how does this make sense?
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, I love that area.
tim pool
See, you see this blue?
hannah claire brimelow
That part that wants to secede into West Virginia?
tim pool
Yes, and right above it, dark red, dark red, dark red, dark red, all around it, yet for some reason, it's because of, I believe, Frederick, right?
hannah claire brimelow
I think so.
tim pool
It turns the whole thing blue, and the people who live surrounded—this is megacountry over here, no question.
You go there, this is the place where all the bars have pictures of Donald Trump riding a velociraptor with a machine gun.
ian crossland
In Maryland, western?
tim pool
And it's blue.
And yeah, in the western panhandle of Maryland.
unidentified
That's all the Potomac River there, that's at the border on the south.
ian crossland
That's why it's carved like that.
tim pool
You go out there and hang out, and it's megacountry.
Yet it's being represented by a Democrat.
That's ridiculous.
ian crossland
Yeah, it is interesting that that—I was deeply studying the C&O Canal going from the Chesapeake Bay up the river, and they wanted to connect the Ohio River to the Chesapeake Bay, the Potomac.
That area is like mountainous and not the same at all anymore.
They only carved it that way because it made sense probably to control the riverways and the canals back in the day, but the canal's gone now.
It got destroyed by a flood.
They use cars.
I mean, the trains, they still have trains, but almost like Maryland could split in half and it would be fine.
It would maybe be ridiculous to have Western Maryland be its own state because it's not that populous.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, the counties in Western Maryland asked if they could join West Virginia and West Virginia's capital was like, we would love that.
But now you have to talk to Annapolis, the capital of Maryland.
tim pool
They should not have to at all.
We're a nation built upon a Declaration of Independence.
Any county should be able to declare in their state, like, we held an election in this county.
We have hereby democratically chosen to join another state.
They're not changing the amount of representatives.
They're not changing the structure of the federal government.
And they should be allowed to do it, so long as the state agrees to accept them.
The other state... If we had that function, imagine what would happen.
The people who lived in these counties in Maryland would say, we have hereby voted to secede.
The state would then say, wait, wait, wait, wait, what do you want to not do that?
And they would actually have to offer up something to the people who lived there.
Instead of saying, shut up, you can't do anything about it, or you'll go to, you know, do we tell you or else?
Imagine you actually could just say, no, no, we're going to secede and go join Idaho or something.
hannah claire brimelow
It would give them a bargaining power that I think, especially more of rural areas in states like Maryland, where there are two more dominant cities, they just don't have right now.
They really are held captive by people who don't have their interests in heart and don't care about the way they live.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Also in Maryland?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I haven't been to Cumberland yet.
I want to go there.
That's like the old... You haven't been there?
No, I don't think so.
tim pool
I've been there several times.
ian crossland
That's the old railroad capital.
I mean, that's where the, what was it, the Potomac splits, goes north and south, and it's like...
Will's Creek, I think, is there in Cumberland.
George Washington had a fort there.
George Washington was obsessed with building canals and connecting.
Anyway, I don't want to—this is what I've been studying over the weekend intensely, because I walk by the canal, the remnants of the canal, the C&O Canal every day.
Well, often.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you do a lot of on-the-ground work with the stuff you're doing right now?
r c maxwell
Yes, most of my work is on the ground in both Pennsylvania and Arizona.
So I'm not usually that type of person, but this election, this has just been my calling to just really dig in here and just try to, you got to keep in mind, Republicans have never had a traditional get out the vote effort that has nudged people in this kind of way ever, which is kind of disappointing, but you know, there's, I think there were 141,000 people in Pennsylvania who were Republicans who requested a mail-in ballot who never turned it in.
Um, so when you look at the people, the amount that should have requested a mail-in ballot, that number doubles.
So you're talking about right there 300,000 Republicans who were just left just by the wayside because we don't put the money into staff to knock on folks' doors.
I feel very good about our chances in these states that I'm seeing the groundwork.
That's why I don't feel great about New Mexico, because I haven't seen the work there.
And I feel less positive about Michigan, because I'm just not quite so sure how that's going to shake out.
But we'll find out more toward the end of September.
Toward the beginning of September and the end of September, that's when all these ballot chase operations are going to have door knockers on the ground, and then usually there's a 30-day period open for mail-in voting, for early voting.
And now for the first time, you have Republicans saying, hey guys, election day is actually the last day to vote.
It's not the day to vote.
Election day is your last day to vote, so please vote beforehand.
So I think that's going to be significant, and we're going to see significant gains in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona.
ian crossland
What about, like, online voting, you know, incisions, like, getting people to vote through, like, online campaigns?
Is it just that the people online are already activated and are going to, and it's more about the people that aren't online that you've got to go to their house and be like, hey, vote?
Or what is your experience with that?
Is it illegal to get people to be like, remember to vote with, like, internet, targeted internet ads?
Like, if you live here, then you're going to get an email or a Facebook notification?
r c maxwell
Nothing can replace the in-person reminder to nudge to vote.
You associate it with a face.
We're also doing a lot of just long game on some of this stuff.
So we're building connections with these individuals.
So by the time we're getting to election day, we've already seen these individuals two to
three times.
We have respect with them.
We have credibility.
We can say, hey, you got your ballot.
Can you get it in?
It's like a neighborly approach as opposed to last second shotgun.
This is what like, you know, um, young Americans for Liberty last second, you know, they usually send out a bunch of kids at the last second to just like drop little leaflets.
We're not doing that.
We're doing long game, getting to know people.
And that's going to be key.
That's going to be essentially the crucial.
I mean, some of this time, some, some of this stuff is handwritten notes.
I mean, Henry, you'd be surprised the amount of people who respond to handwritten notes left on their door as opposed to a business card.
Um, so the personal touch, it's more costly, but the Democrats have invested in this quite literally billions.
I wrote an article on ballot chasing for red state.
You can read this and you can read the amount of investments Democrats have put into ballot chasing.
It's just a drop in the bucket comparatively to what Republicans are finally doing, but at least we're doing something.
ian crossland
Where's the article?
r c maxwell
It's on RedState.
ian crossland
RedState?
What's the website?
r c maxwell
RedState.com.
It's Maxwell.
What is ballot chasing and why have Republicans finally embraced it?
ian crossland
What were you gonna say?
hannah claire brimelow
I was gonna ask how you got involved with what you're doing now.
r c maxwell
I was working for James O'Keefe in 2020 trying to confirm that voter fraud was happening in our country and I felt like we proved voter fraud happened at a massive scale throughout to the country in Georgia.
I think we've proved it.
However, we still lost and I felt like my work was meaningless.
So I kind of decided that, you know, in 2024, I'm not going to just, you know, indirectly do something for the election.
I'm going to go old school like I did in 2016 and really get involved.
So like I said, I have three jobs currently and I'm doing a lot and I just I just feel this is the key.
I know we always say it's the most important election of our time, but quite literally, You know, this is life or death.
You know, I don't want to reveal people's personal information, but I can reveal tonight that one of the persons who was indicted over the fake elector situation, you know, one of their spouses just passed literally today.
So this woman had to literally split time between these trials and her dying husband.
And I know this woman.
She's just a MAGA mom in Arizona.
She's a great lady.
So yeah, I'm all in invested in this election because they are quite literally trying to imprison my friends.
tim pool
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Gives us more control, and hopefully that spiel convinces you guys to go to TimCast.com and become members, and help sustain what we do.
Alright, Polly Puree says, am I first?
Indeed, Polly, you are!
You win!
ian crossland
You nailed it.
tim pool
Kenny Cabb says Roger Stone for FBI director.
I hope just Trump wins and then just does all of that.
ian crossland
I've seen Stone all over the place.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I keep seeing his face pop up.
tim pool
The Clay Way says, ever heard of Colin Rogers, the Trump supporters?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Moving on.
I'm just kidding.
Anybody heard of that guy?
No?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Okay, well that's a no from everybody.
So not sure.
Not sure.
ian crossland
Serge didn't answer though.
tim pool
Here in gaming news is after watching your segment on RFK I've decided I would like to party with the man.
We need more fun and relatable people in politics.
unidentified
Amen.
tim pool
Indeed, he does sound like a fun guy.
ian crossland
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
You know there's another story where the bear story came from.
I just, I have to know what he was up to.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, he might be one of those dudes where it's like we're hanging out and we're like you wanna go do something?
And then someone would be like we can hit up Bobby and see what he's up to and we're gonna go ugh.
Dude.
Maybe.
Because he's the kind of guy where you're sitting around and he goes, Guys!
There's a dead whale on the beach!
Let's go get its skull and mount it!
And you're like, Bring a carving knife!
And so it's like, when you were 19, the best memories of your life, but now you're in your mid-30s and you're like, Bobby, I have kids.
ian crossland
I got kids too.
Did you see the, someone said he ate a dog?
And then he made the video.
tim pool
That was great.
I would never eat guys.
ian crossland
Making meat for his dog.
tim pool
He's like, the fake news offended my dogs and he's cooking their, yeah, he cooks them like liver and beef and puts it in their food.
Those dogs are happy.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Barrett says, I'm selling at Spring Mills Flea Market this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
Please thank Ian for stopping the rain over those three days.
Kid clothes and shoes.
ian crossland
It's my pleasure.
I put a little positive energy in the clouds before the show started because there was some heavy thunder.
It seemed to work.
tim pool
No, a storm was pretty bad the whole time.
ian crossland
I don't hear it anymore.
tim pool
Well, we asked you to stop the storm before the show started.
ian crossland
I wasn't channeling super hard because I was socializing.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
And Ian said he ate seed oils.
ian crossland
It's a channeling spell.
Yeah, inflammation.
It interferes with the ability to confluence the energy.
That I noticed because I ate cheesecake over the weekend and I had cheese puffs with like safflower oil or some junk in it.
tim pool
No, that cheesecake was legit.
ian crossland
It tasted great, that's why I ate it.
tim pool
There was no garbage in it.
ian crossland
But the inflammation.
There was like chocolate, like sugar, I don't know what it was, but it was a lot, a lot of sugar for me.
And I noticed if you can feel the inflammation in my muscles because a lot of that energy goes through your musculature up out of you.
tim pool
What kind of energy?
ian crossland
Positive energy and negative energy.
That's where I'm at now.
tim pool
Those aren't forms of energy.
ian crossland
Let's investigate.
tim pool
You know, there's like kinetic energy.
ian crossland
Should go on an energy retreat.
tim pool
Thermal energy.
ian crossland
Oh, I think it's magnetic resonance.
tim pool
Magnetism.
ian crossland
I'm vibrating and creating resonance.
r c maxwell
Resin?
ian crossland
Resin.
tim pool
Vibrations.
ian crossland
Actual resonance.
Yeah, actual resonance.
hannah claire brimelow
There's some sort of recharge of batteries, pun, going with the energy retreat, but I just didn't get there fast enough.
tim pool
Graphene anodes. Jonathan Peter says Tim was there no morning show or was it shadow band? There was indeed no
morning show I don't know
I just had a headache and it was hard to focus.
And then I was like, man, I've just been burning the candle at both ends.
hannah claire brimelow
You're one of the only people I know who could need to take a personal half day or whatever.
tim pool
Half day.
hannah claire brimelow
And people would be like, but are you shadowbanned?
You could be like, yes, I was.
I didn't have anything personal to attend to.
I was shadowbanned.
ian crossland
What got you inspired to do The Morning Show?
I like it.
I see you killing it with like 25,000 people and stuff.
tim pool
Because I record a morning segment at 9 a.m.
I would record at 9 and publish at 10 and then instead of, there's a difference in the show, it used to be that I record four segments from between 9 a.m.
Well I'd start doing research and everything at 8 and then record at 9 and then after that 22 to 30 minute segment start doing more work and research and then throughout the day I've got between 10 a.m.
and 6 p.m.
segments going up.
And then the week we went to the convention, it was just a lot easier to go live with the breaking news, the assassination attempt.
And so I was like, this news is too big to not be a live show.
And then I figured, I don't know, it's just easier to go live for two hours.
And so now I come in at like 8, start pulling up stories, plus I already know a ton of stories, I've already retweeted and shared things, line up, and then during the livestream people might submit stories, but then by noon I'm basically wrapped.
ian crossland
That's cool, so they bring the news, some breaking news and stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, a couple times we've had people... You clip it, and then do clips throughout the day?
Yep, I press record during the livestream for the segments, and then upload them.
ian crossland
Awesome.
tim pool
So there's a morning... So, everyone listening, subscribe at youtube.com slash timcastnews.
Monday through Thursday, 10am, I'm live for two hours and it's just me talking.
And then I do like 30 minutes super chats, 30 minutes super chats, then like 10 minutes, 10 minutes.
And, you know, people will like send in stories and be like, yo, the story just broke and then I'll pull it up and then we'll do we'll do a segment on it.
unidentified
I like it.
tim pool
But then I get wrapped around noon, and then I finish doing all of the logistical work for it, like uploading the podcast version by like 12.30, and then probably have a snack, and then by 1, I'm exercising.
ian crossland
Oh, that's great.
tim pool
And then by like 3, I'm eating food, and then there's usually just like ancillary work stuff, you know, paperwork, signing things.
ian crossland
Meditation.
tim pool
None of that.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Maybe a cold plunge here or there.
ian crossland
Oh, you got one?
tim pool
No, I just, uh, our cold water is like 50 degrees.
We do have a cold plunge, but I just felt the bathtub and the water's near freezing.
It's crazy.
unidentified
Oh man.
ian crossland
I don't have that at the castle.
I got to get, I got the sauna.
People keep being like, get the cold plunge, get the cold plunge.
tim pool
I have had tremendously good results from the cold plunge.
ian crossland
God, they're amazing.
tim pool
So, after I'm done skating, my right calf has been really knotted up, and so I need to use a Theragun on it, and so it's hard to walk.
r c maxwell
I brought my Theragun with me here.
unidentified
It's great.
r c maxwell
That's how old I am.
ian crossland
What is it?
tim pool
A massager.
Yeah, it helps get knots out and stuff.
So, after I skate, probably about an hour after, I do a five-minute cold plunge.
You don't want to overdo it because it can inhibit protein synthesis.
ian crossland
What temperature?
tim pool
I think it's around 50 degrees.
Yeah, it's cold.
I couldn't believe how cold our cold water got, but it is pretty dang cold.
I don't know why.
ian crossland
I've seen them oscillate from like 52 to 39.
It's like stingingly painful, the real low, like the 39.
I tried it in Austin.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
I think I got in the 42 degree one and I was like, this hurts.
It actually hurts my skin.
Like the surface pain.
The other one was just like bone chillingly cold.
tim pool
And you do the, do you have the, uh, the respiratory?
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Do dragon breath, Wim Hof dragon breath.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
When you, when you get splashed with cold, when you get splashed with cold water, you have a breath response.
ian crossland
Sharp intake, long, hard exhale, and your body temperature will go up.
That's how Wim Hof can walk in.
tim pool
The goal of the cold plunge is to compress the capillaries and force out lactic acid.
You don't need to heat your body up when you're in a cold plunge.
You need to be cold.
ian crossland
So you like that feeling where your body's like, shocked?
Go shocked or whatever it is?
I don't know.
Like?
tim pool
Just do it.
ian crossland
I want to control it.
unidentified
I want to dive into ice cold water and be fine.
r c maxwell
Just do it?
tim pool
Just do it.
I mean, that's the thing.
We get NAD frequently.
And there are a lot of people that don't want to get the IV and it's just like, I don't know, it hurts.
Grow up.
This is welcome to life.
Like, what do you, I don't know, man.
You know, like the nurse is going to be like, okay, here comes the needle or whatever.
We're going to give you the IV.
And it's just like, yeah, it hurts.
And then I'm like, wow, that's, that's very painful.
I, at a certain point in your life, maybe not everybody goes through this, but I don't know.
At a certain point of falling and busting my shins and whacking myself in the legs and all of that, I'm just like, you're not- like, pain isn't doing anything for me.
Thank you, body, for notifying me of the damage.
There's no point in dwelling on it.
r c maxwell
So you don't feel pain?
tim pool
No, I feel pain.
ian crossland
But like- You're like Batman.
tim pool
I don't- so, I'll put it this way.
When we're getting an AD, and the nurse says, you know, they're gonna find a vein, they're gonna give you an IV drip, I just sit there and I'm like, okay, like, here comes the IV and it hurts, but what am I supposed to do?
Cry, whinge, scream, go, eh?
I'm just like, okay.
ian crossland
There's different kinds of pain.
There's pain that indicates damage and pain that indicates growth.
And like, if you know that the pain is something good is going to come out of it, I think it's way easier to tolerate.
tim pool
That's exactly it.
It's like the pain reaction I might have where I like jump back is going to be an unknown reaction.
Like if something stings me or bites me, I'm going to move because like, hey, whoa.
But I kind of feel like I'm at the point where I don't know what pain is doing for me.
I don't know.
Maybe when I was younger, you get hurt, you cry or whatever, but as an adult, I'm just like, yes, it hurts.
I don't know how to react other than that.
ian crossland
Thank you for the pain.
tim pool
I'm not happy it's happening.
It's just, I don't understand why me...
Well, I just, I don't get why going like, I'm like rocking back and forth or groaning.
It's not doing anything.
r c maxwell
That's what I would do if you saw me getting a cold.
I just can't handle any pain.
I whine.
You can ask my wife.
unidentified
She'll tell you.
tim pool
But I just don't know.
unidentified
So good.
tim pool
So I do.
I do a cold plunge.
I just, I, there, there is no hesitation.
I just go and I go in it.
And I hear people say like, Oh, it's going to suck so bad.
And I'm like, I don't get it.
Like, It's just, these are things that exist and they have to happen.
ian crossland
But those shock proteins are really good for autophagia, I think, where your body starts eating its own refuse.
Like, the immune system kicks into high gear.
Starts cleaning itself up when you're in, like, intense states of temperature trauma.
And same with stress shock proteins.
There's heat shock proteins and stress shock proteins.
Heat's a type of stress.
tim pool
I think at a certain point, pain just makes me angry.
Mike, I just get really angry.
ian crossland
Hey, last question about the cold plunge before more Super Chats.
Do you put your head under?
tim pool
Yes.
Not the entire time, though.
But for a little bit.
And then I just do about five and a half minutes.
I do the low end.
It's beast mode.
ian crossland
You sit in there for five minutes straight?
tim pool
Yeah, but it's not an ice plunge.
It's a cold plunge.
I'm not sitting in a bucket of ice.
ian crossland
Have you done a handiclap?
r c maxwell
You should upload a video of yourself doing this.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
r c maxwell
If you did it with the beanie, it'll probably perform very well.
It's hilarious.
ian crossland
Give me the beanie!
Give me the beanie!
unidentified
It'd be so cool.
tim pool
It's like 50 degrees.
And then I read that you're not, like, it was like, apparently that's like intermediate and you're supposed to start at like 60 something.
I was like, what?
That's just like a bath.
ian crossland
60.
Ease into it.
That's probably for the common man.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
I just saw on the internet someone jumped in a bucket of ice, so I...
Got the water up, it's like 50-some-odd degrees.
I think it's like low 50, 50-ish.
Maybe because it comes from the well, where it's usually about 55 degrees underground or whatever, but our water's cold!
ian crossland
In Austin, there was like three tanks in the same room.
50, 40, and 30, basically.
Well, 35.
Have you done it before?
hannah claire brimelow
I've done it a couple times and, you know, sometimes I do think there's, especially if you're training a lot, I feel like it is good for muscle recovery.
What I remember doing more was when I was younger and ran track and all this stuff, if you get shin splints, like if you submerge your calves or whatever in ice for a long time, I really think that does help any kind of inflammation or injury.
But it's not something I do regularly.
ian crossland
There's some foot baths in Miami.
I bought this machine that heats up on its own.
You pour the water in and then it heats up the water and bubbles and then you put salts in there.
Those are great.
tim pool
When I was little, I was watching X-Men the animated series.
I think this is what it was.
And Beast gets hurt and then he says to himself, what is pain to overcome it?
And as a little kid, that one stuck with me.
And so, you know, whenever I'd get hurt, I would think about it and I would Analyze it, and it kind of neutralizes the reaction.
ian crossland
Yeah, when I messed up my elbow, I had to, I rammed on the wall, I had to rip the skin, it was like hanging, so I pulled, ripped the skin off.
I was like, well, that didn't, that didn't feel good.
And then I took nail clippers and like clipped off the skin around the wound to make sure that it didn't get dirt underneath it.
I was like, this hurts, but this is good pain.
This pain indicates that I'm going to be healthy in the long-term.
hannah claire brimelow
You know what the Marines say, right?
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
There you go.
There's a level of like, you kind of have to tough some stuff out.
tim pool
Alright, let's grab some more Super Chips.
We got Wyatt Caldenberg.
He says, I had to appear before a grand jury for two weeks.
The DOJ and FBI didn't know-ish, and they were fishing to find who to frame for the crime.
This will be a fishing trip, too.
They are trying to redirect blame.
Yep.
I'd imagine.
I'd imagine.
r c maxwell
Yeah, I can see that.
tim pool
Ian says, dude, that's a normal AR-15.
The bag is too short to hide the upper, though.
Yeah, and someone else pointed out, wasn't his gun shot and damaged?
hannah claire brimelow
No, well, that's what I've heard, but then today when they were doing this press conference, Rojak, the FBI agent, was saying, we've tested the gun and it's still intact, still works.
ian crossland
Was it shot?
Was the gun hit with fire?
hannah claire brimelow
The FBI is currently saying no, I had heard reports that it was, but you know, Crooks was killed with a singular shot to the head, so I don't know how much gunfire was actually directed at him.
tim pool
Alan Smithy says, it's not a collapsible stock, it's an adjustable stock.
Every AR has them.
You are being gaslit like the shoulder thing that goes up and the barrel shroud.
But if you do Google search collapsible stock, you literally get, alternately, an adjustable stock.
And the terms are used interchangeably on the internet.
And there are gun shops that call it this.
And the gun shops that I've been to out here have called them that as well.
So I don't know.
I'm not a big gun person.
All I know is that that's what they've said.
And then there was one shop that I went to where they had the one that folds all the way in.
Those are cool.
ian crossland
I like those.
tim pool
Folds all the way in.
Those can drop in a backpack.
And then there is one... I don't think we got it, but it was really cool because...
I think it's a Ruger 10-22, except you can snap, twist, and take off the upper, or whatever it's called, and then switch it for a different caliber or something.
Something like that.
I can't remember.
I don't know.
That one I might have.
I don't know.
I live in West Virginia.
Guns are everywhere.
You're allowed to have them.
Alright, Sean Saiz says, Tim, I read a news article that says immigrants commit less crimes than native citizens.
In these types of studies, are they adding illegal and legal migrants together?
Maxwell was smeared in article.
In the article?
You gotta read the crosstabs.
You gotta read the studies.
Some do and some don't.
But I'll tell you this, the crime rate among undocumented migrants is 100%.
If I call them illegal immigrants, it's kind of implied they're all criminals.
ian crossland
And if you didn't get caught, did you commit a crime?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Technically?
tim pool
Have you ever met someone who got away with it?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
The answer is usually no, because people go around bragging that they got away with it.
Don't get away with it for long.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There was a, you know we talked about, there was a, in Wheaton, Illinois, and Glen Ellyn are on this area, the West Suburbs, there was a bank robber who operated for a couple decades.
And he got away with it.
They never caught him.
Never figured out.
It's real simple.
He just never told anybody, probably.
And then there was one point at which, like, multiple banks got hit right at the same time, and they think it was his retirement.
Yeah.
One last one.
ian crossland
Did he walk in with, like, a face mask on and demand the money?
tim pool
Yep.
I can't remember the exact story, but it might have been a motorcycle, duffel bag, ski mask, and gun.
And then he walks in, fills it up, walks out.
That's it.
He's gone.
ian crossland
So wild.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, the scary thing is, people don't realize this, but premeditated murder is almost never solved.
It's terrifying.
People think, you know, crime is like CSI, like, they find a dead body, then the cops come in and they're like, tape it all off and we're gonna do all these crazy things.
They don't.
Very few jurisdictions have the capability to do that high-level stuff.
And so premeditated murders, they'll find a body and be like, we have no idea how the person died.
We'll figure it out maybe in a week.
Whatever, I don't know.
That's just it.
That's scary.
They try, though.
All right, let's go.
r c maxwell
I did find this New York Times article that I mentioned in, and they do make the claim that Trump's surrogates are claiming that illegal immigrants are committing crimes without evidence.
tim pool
Illegal immigrants literally committed a crime to enter the country.
It's 100%.
Yeah.
All right, let's see.
It always seems like certain superchats just disappear from the chat.
Cause I'll see some and be like, oh, here's a good one.
I definitely want to make sure we read that one.
And now I'm here and it's like, it's gone.
The super jet is nowhere to be found.
unidentified
Uh, let's see.
tim pool
Let's see if I can find another one.
Dim Sum Nim Sum says, wasn't, wasn't there a Democrat commercial to stop a bill for mechanics having codes for cars because they said mechanics will do naughty in parking garages?
I have no idea.
Here's one.
Max Revensky says, oh my god, please open Google Maps on Black Sea and check how much of the coastline Russia has and where Sevastopol is.
Quote, only access to the Black Sea, LMAO.
ian crossland
Yeah, but Sevastopol's a giant industrial seaport.
That's the thing, is they didn't have one of those before.
They had like one, I think, east, on the east side of the sea, were you going to say?
tim pool
Yeah, but I don't think they control Abkhazia very well.
And I think that's their only other port.
It's not as big.
And so this is actually, you know, this is a really good example, Max.
Come on!
You see, this is the problem.
The problem here is we're talking about a naval base that was Soviet.
After the Soviet Union broke up, Russia retained control of and paid Ukraine in a lease and is a massive naval base, an industrial center for bringing in goods.
They're not just going to build one of those overnight or establish trade routes overnight.
They want to maintain control of one of, if not their only warm water sea port.
Where they get access to the Black Sea, move through the Bosphorus, into the Mediterranean, and sell their energy.
So, to imply that, well, of course Russia has some coastline along the area.
It's not developed.
So they're not going to give up a multi-billion dollar naval port, as well as, I believe it's the home of their Black Sea fleet, naval forces.
They've got weapons there.
They've got military personnel there.
They have food there.
And they're not going to go, well, we do have barren coastline over there.
Let's just give it up to NATO.
Let NATO take control of our naval base and seize all of our infrastructure, and then we'll go build somewhere else, and maybe in 20 years we'll have something comparable.
So, when I'm talking about their only access to the Black Sea, it's in reference to their shipping lane, trade routes, and massive industrial port, as Ian mentioned, and naval base.
They also have ships in Tartus, so they do have other—in Syria, but it's—they're different things.
They're different things.
By all means, make the argument they should start building now.
And if Putin was smart, he'd be like, we should start building a massive industrial infrastructure in territory we can better secure.
Or he probably weighed the options and said, we're not going to let NATO take Sevastopol.
It's ours.
It's been ours for 100 years, and we're not going to give it up now.
So there you go.
Let's go.
We'll read some more.
All right, where are we at?
Jake T says, bring back Ian's crystal corner on the table.
That was really funny.
The guests didn't.
ian crossland
This is dusty.
It got too dusty.
tim pool
Well, no, it's because sometimes unlike Culture War, we have four guests and you're not here.
And other people sit in that chair too.
ian crossland
What am I forced to do?
tim pool
And they sit down and it's just they're in a crystal cave.
ian crossland
It's vibrating me.
I should bring like a crystal.
Maybe I'll bring one.
And just leave it here.
tim pool
Andrew the Great says, we need a meme of Trump as Captain America with Thanos in Endgame.
JD flies in on your left, then Tulsi, RFK, and others portal in to help finish the job.
I veto.
r c maxwell
Yeah, I'm tired of the Avengers meme.
tim pool
And RFK said Justice League anyway.
Veto.
I don't know.
Look, the memes that really helped Trump in 2016 were more like Pepe memes and jokes about issues.
Now it seems Trump is the issue, and I think that's bad for him.
So you'd see memes in 2016 about things, you know, like a bunch of dudes jumping over a wall or something like that, right?
And it represented the border crisis.
Or you'd see like Barack Obama, you know, like something related, like political cartoon related to him bombing some country and George W. Bush lying.
The memes that we were getting were jokes mocking everything.
Pepe the Frog would be like a little guy pulling a lever and a wall dropping down on the border.
Now the memes are like Donald Trump dancing.
You know, and they made a whole bunch of them and they're like, this is cool.
And I'm like, that's what Hillary did.
Hillary had memes of her dancing.
hannah claire brimelow
And that's why Harris can run a campaign where she still has not given us a platform, but instead she's running on the let's talk about Trump all the time campaign, right?
Like the vibes campaign is actually completely Trump focused, but not in a way that benefits Americans.
When it was Trump focused and they were saying, well, he's talking about the border while it's 2016 and people hadn't really embraced the issue the way they have now, it was different.
But now it's really just about Trump as this larger-than-life supervillain that the Democrats think that he is.
And, you know, I think that's to the detriment of everybody.
ian crossland
I'd love to see a bit technical, his campaign, because I don't like emotionally when he's like, there are really bad people.
I'm just tired of that crappy meme.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like the Harris-Walz campaign does that more.
I think that you're more likely to get a policy suggestion from the Trump-Vance campaign.
ian crossland
Good.
Yeah, we need to talk about, like, specifics about industry because he's the captain now.
He already won the game.
Now he just needs to show us, like, what is the plan.
tim pool
I personally asked Trump, how do you deport?
And he said, you know, oh, you got it.
We got to do it.
But how do you do it?
And he says, local police.
And I'm like, OK, there you go.
That actually is the best answer I think we could hope for.
We don't want mass military mobilization for deportations.
We don't want this extreme people being loaded in buses, local police receiving warrants and then going methodically and slowly to deport, starting with criminals, as J.D.
Vance pointed out.
You start where we know we can start, with criminals.
And we deport them.
And then after that, we figure out where we can go next.
And Trump flat out just said, we will have local police begin this process.
Kamala Harris doesn't answer any of these questions.
She doesn't, she won't even do an interview.
I don't even know what she wants to do.
hannah claire brimelow
Mars is pre-recorded, right?
It's pre-recorded and Walls is, you know, there to hold her hand.
r c maxwell
Look, I would try to hint, oh, what I'm going to do is I'm going to build 3 million new housing developments.
She was eventually, immediately beat back by Democrats who said, no, no, no, that's too pro-developer.
And then union groups came out and said, hold on, we haven't heard about this.
We're concerned about it.
So Kamala, even when she tries to steal Trump's thunder and mention a policy idea that she knows she can't get passed, she's getting beat back by Democrats who are like, hold on, that's not progressive.
We didn't agree.
hannah claire brimelow
Or Trump's ideas.
r c maxwell
We didn't agree.
hannah claire brimelow
The wall and taxing tips.
tim pool
We're going to go to the members' call-in show now, and if you'd like to hang out, go to timcast.com, click join us, become a member, and we have this massive library of all of our call-in shows.
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And the way it works is, You propose your question, the community then decides which question they think is best to be on the show, and that elevates it.
So we usually have some pretty great callers who bring up some really interesting points that often people have not considered.
One, recently, was that the shadow campaign will be to fraudulently vote for Trump.
If the Democrats think they're going to lose no matter what, then the shadow campaign would be make obvious fraudulent votes for Trump so when he wins, they can grab select ballots and say, aha, look, we found Trump was the one who committed fraud and throw the whole election into question.
Not saying it's true.
Someone called and entertained that and no one had brought it up before.
So I think it is interesting.
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Arcee, do you want to shout anything out?
r c maxwell
Hey, check out the Pennsylvania Chase, and if you're interested in ballot chasing, we're asking everyone to Commit 100.
You can sign up at Commit100.com.
I think it's Turning Point Action, actually, slash Commit 100.
And then you can work with people like me.
We'll tell you how to ballot chase.
We'll probably even ballot chase with you.
So that's the way we're going to win this election.
Every individual, every patriot actually saying that they're going to reach out to individuals of their neighborhood and their community.
You can do that.
Follow the Pennsylvania Chase.
Follow Turning Point Action.
No need to follow me unless you want to get lectured on racial consciousness.
ian crossland
That's hot.
hannah claire brimelow
Where can they follow you if they want to?
r c maxwell
Follow me on Twitter.
I'm Black Hannity.
Look up R.C.
Maxwell.
You can find me online.
I write for Human Events, Red State, and American Thinker.
ian crossland
And I'm Ian Crossland.
I got asked to do a movie.
I'm going to go fly out to L.A.
and shoot a movie next month, I think.
Still, everything's in the works, so I haven't confirmed anything.
I'll tell you more about it as it progresses.
Also, I want to see us start taking Boyan Slat's ocean cleanup project, Plastic, Sending it down to Rice University and turning it into graphene, or sending it to wherever Universal Matter uses their flash jewel heating process to turn this plastic into graphene, proof of concept, and then we'll do like a global revolution of energy that way.
And also, I've been crushing Diablo 4 lately with my Frost Sorcerer.
Elon's got me inspired to start streaming on X.
He's like, I think he's like tier 174 druid, and it's hilarious to watch him just blasting these end bosses and taking forever because he's a druid.
So I've got a glass cannon, and maybe I'll go, maybe I'll play multiplayer with him if he's got eternal.
But if he's seasonal, then I don't know if our characters are cross-compatible.
tim pool
Yeah, me too.
I wonder.
ian crossland
Diablo's hot.
That game's fire.
I've owned it for a while, but I just got into it pretty hard over the weekend.
tim pool
Right on.
ian crossland
See you later.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com, Scanner News.
You can follow all of our work at TimCastNews on the internet.
I say this the same way almost every single night.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at HannahClaire.B.
I'm on X at HannahClaireB.
Thanks for everything you guys do.
You're definitely the backbone of the show.
Have a good night.
tim pool
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