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Trump NY Case BLOWS UP After Cohen ADMITS He STOLE 60k From Trump w/Michael Rectenwald | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
In, I guess what you would call bombshell testimony, which to be honest, probably isn't
surprising.
Michael Cohen, the star witness for the prosecution in the Trump trial in New York, admitted that
he stole $60,000 from the Trump organization in the actual payment that allegedly was to
pay back Stormy Daniels.
Now, I'm sorry.
Even CNN has a legal analyst explaining how could Trump have known what was going on with this money, that it was going to Stormy Daniels, if Cohen was actually stealing large portions of it.
So there's a bit of confusion right now.
Even I was confused because you're getting a bunch of different reports on different numbers.
Cohen, and I'll break it down for you.
Real simple, right?
Not to bury the lead.
Cohen said he needed $50,000 to reimburse an IT company.
So they include this in a large lump sum payment he's getting.
He goes to that company and apparently he hands them a brown paper bag with $20,000 in it and says, take it or leave it.
Pockets $30,000.
And then as part of that $50,000, the Trump organization actually reimbursed additional tax liability, assuming the 50 grand was going to that company.
He said, here's extra money in the event that you actually have to pay tax on it, because they were paying Cohen.
It wasn't necessarily a reimbursement.
It was payment for the job he did.
And it was basically them knowing he was paying an IT company.
So the 30 grand on top That he should not have gotten also went into his pocket, and this is where CNN began reporting the $60,000 number.
So this absolutely destroys the case that they have against Donald Trump.
He didn't even know he was being robbed.
Now they're arguing, no, he didn't know he was being robbed, but he did know that he was paying off Stormy Daniels, I guess.
We're going to break this down.
In this trial, apparently they brought in Cohen's own lawyer.
Rob Costello.
The prosecution will not let him answer any questions.
They keep an objection.
He gets into it with the judge.
The judge gets pissed.
This whole thing sounds like bad television.
Oh boy.
So we'll talk about that.
Then we've got USA Today calling on Joe Biden to resign to stop Trump.
Yeah.
And then there actually is really big news.
The president of Iran and the Iranian foreign minister died in a helicopter crash over the weekend.
Many people are speculating assassination.
Some are saying this is just like Franz Ferdinand.
Israel denies any involvement.
From the photos we've seen, it looks like the helicopter just crashed on a foggy day, which does happen.
But considering this is coming a month after rocket fire exchange between Israel and Iran, He has a lot of people who don't believe in coincidences, so we're going to talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Dr. Michael Rechtenwald.
michael rectenwald
Hello, how are you doing?
tim pool
I'm doing well.
michael rectenwald
Okay, so I'm Michael Recktenwald, and former NYU professor, author, and now libertarian candidate for president.
It's great to be here, man.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
And we got the LP National Conventions coming up this week.
When does it start?
Does it start Thursday?
michael rectenwald
It starts Thursday, but the fireworks begin, I should say, Saturday.
tim pool
We will be there on Friday.
michael rectenwald
Okay.
tim pool
We'll be doing the show from the convention Friday night.
Awesome.
And this is sounding like it may be the biggest party in politics.
I mean like physical party, like literal party, not political party.
michael rectenwald
Great.
tim pool
The amount of people who are planning on being there and the rumors that are flying around Trump is going to be there, RFK is going to be there, I mean this is going to be wild.
You're going to be there?
michael rectenwald
I'm going to be there.
Vivek Ramaswamy is going to be there.
Trump is going to be there.
Thomas Massey is going to be there.
And there's a special surprise guest that I can't reveal tonight.
It's the biggest guest of all, in my opinion.
tim pool
It's going to be interesting.
I also think, don't be surprised if just a bunch of other political commentators and personalities end up showing up because of how big this is becoming.
michael rectenwald
It's going to be huge.
tim pool
Once they said Trump was going to be there, then if you are in the political space, if you're a commentator and you are not in D.C., you are missing out and you'll be sitting at home with FOMO.
But we'll talk about that later as well.
We got Phil hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
How are you doing, Hannah-Claire?
hannah claire brimelow
I'm good.
It's fun to be back.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com, Scanner News.
Follow all their work at TimCastNews on Instagram and Twitter.
Hi, Serge!
tim pool
I can't believe this is the news today.
Michael Cohen admitted to stealing from the Trump Organization in the actual reimbursement they claim was supposed to go to Stormy Daniels.
I will break this down very quickly for you.
Cohen says he needs to reimburse this IT company, Redfinch, $50,000.
They say, OK, we'll add $50,000 to your total pay package.
So Cohen is a lawyer working for the Trump Organization.
He says, here's my invoice.
This is for reimbursements.
And they say, OK, we'll give you $50,000.
Michael Cohen testifies, he takes that money, puts $20,000 in a brown paper bag, hands it to the IT company and is like, take it or leave it, puts $30,000 in his pocket, and then the Trump organization says, by the way, we're putting another $180,000 in your total pay for potential tax liability.
They had no idea what they were giving this man money for.
The argument from the prosecution is that Trump knew this was going to Cohen for For paying off Stormy Daniels, among other expenses.
But how?
I don't believe that is believable beyond a reasonable doubt, or even plausible, considering Cohen ripped them off for $60K.
Now, a lot of people are confused about the $60K number, as was I.
In this whole pay package, the Independent actually breaks this down.
So here we have the story.
Michael Cohen admits to stealing from the Trump Organization while clawing back Stormy Daniels' hush money.
Of course, all of the more left-wing outlets are still going to try and make the claim that the Trump Organization knew they were paying up this $130,000 reimbursement, which I doubt.
So here's what they say.
The reimbursements to Cohen for the hush money payment, which Mr. Trump paid out in monthly $35,000 installments in 2017, totaled $420,000.
As part of the reimbursement plan, Cohen had also billed the Trump Organization $50,000 plus taxes for money that Cohen was supposed to pay to the tech firm Red Finch.
He gave Red Finch a brown paper bag filled with $20,000 in cash, still owed the vendor $30,000 for the contract he testified.
The initial payment was only enough to placate him for the time being.
He said, I still needed his service and I need his availability.
You stole from the Trump Organization, Defense Attorney Todd Blanche asked.
Yes, sir, Cohen replied.
Mr. Blanche also asked whether he has ever pleaded guilty to larceny or paid back any of the money to the Trump Organization that he stole from them.
He did not.
So basically what ends up happening is this.
The reimbursement payments ultimately included $130,000 to Ms.
Daniels, $50k to Redfinch, $60k bonus, and $180,000 to compensate for taxes.
There's only one way this makes sense.
If these are reimbursements, you don't pay tax liability on them.
Okay?
So, let's just play this game.
Cast Brew Coffee, right?
We own Cast Brew Coffee, but it is a different company that does different things.
TimCast Media Group.
In the event there is any kind of crossover, and Cast Brew ends up covering a cost that ultimately should be the responsibility of TimCast, TimCast does a flat reimbursement.
Let's say it's $100.
They say, here's the $100 back you paid at the time.
Let's say it's a guy walks up and says, this parking bill for your vehicle is $100, and only Cast Brew has the money on hand, and say, okay, we'll reimburse us, and we'll cover the cost of the vehicle.
We don't pay taxes on that.
It's a reimbursement for a business expense.
The only way this makes sense, in my view, they gave $180,000 tax compensation to Cohen because they had no idea what any of the money was for.
I explained this a couple weeks ago.
I said, I bet Cohen was invoicing the Trump Organization, and they were just paying it out.
They're a multi-billion dollar organization, and here's the lawyer with an invoice to say, yeah, yeah, whatever.
They didn't itemize it.
And so when he says, oh, I need another $180 for taxes, they're like, sure.
I think it's fair to say, if that is true, it's not just $60K he stole, but the $130K on top.
They had no idea what they were paying for.
They thought they were paying services.
So where the $60K number comes from is what we can say.
The media, the court, there's been no ruling out on whether Trump is innocent or guilty, although we think, I think everybody who's paying attention thinks it's absurd and he's innocent.
But what they're saying is by taking the $30K, Putting in his pocket, and then getting the 50k expense, getting tax liability on top, which is 30k, and then putting that in his pocket, he lied to get a $60,000 bill on top of the money that he was actually owed.
So, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
I don't see how this trial... I'll say one last thing.
I really thought there was a possibility that on the last day of the prosecution's case, they were going to slam the piece of paper on the table where it's like, I, Donald Trump, hereby request Michael Cohen reimburse Stormy Daniels that nobody finds out, blah blah blah, sign Donald Trump, notarized in the state of New York, something like that, like here's the bombshell.
Not only was there no bombshell, the bombshell was for the defense.
Laughably insane.
There's already conversations about why he's not going to prison for grand larceny, having admitted he stole this money.
And the crazy thing is, even CNN is now saying that this is a worse crime than anything Trump's been accused of, and they're having him testify against Trump.
One of the craziest bits of legal analysis that I saw so far was, never have we seen a prosecutor have a felony criminal case flip to try and get a misdemeanor.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, it's almost too bad that he didn't say, yes, I paid them a brown paper bag and then I carried out everything else in a canvas sack with a dollar sign painted on it, right?
Like, he's blatantly stealing and it's, I mean, he's already been convicted of campaign finance violations.
Like, he has had to defend his credibility on the stand before.
I heard a couple talking heads try and defend since doing a testimony, a former lawyer of Of Cohen's was on MSNBC saying, well, let me remind you that Donald Trump is on trial and he doesn't have to defend his credibility at all.
In fact, the documents corroborate it.
But I think the defense has done a pretty good job of pointing out kind of how this key witness, this star witness is not reliable.
And in fact, he presents lie after lie after lie.
I mean, it's not it's not the smoking gun case they seem to pretend it was.
tim pool
Let's operate from—so this $60K theft, this is the wild thing.
It's from the prosecution's perspective.
If the prosecution is correct and Donald Trump actually did the things they claim he did, then it is a fact.
Michael Cohen stole $60,000.
Let's take a view from the—let's take the perspective of the defense.
They had no idea what Cohen was doing.
And Cohen's own former... They say lawyer.
Costello says he was his lawyer, but he's arguing it's a legal advisor.
Their defense is that Cohen did this of his own volition without them knowing.
If that's true, Cohen stole the $130,000 by lying to the Trump Organization about what he needed the money for, and the Trump Organization just blindly paid invoices.
I will stress that again.
I have worked for large corporations.
I got a story for you.
I worked with a guy.
We had a three-month contract.
I said, thank you and have a nice day.
At the end of the year, some nine months later, they told me, in passing, someone from accounting was like, oh, we got your invoices paid up.
And I was like, invoices?
And they were like, for your contractor?
And I was like, contractor?
And they were like, yeah, so-and-so.
And I was just like, yo, that guy hasn't worked with me in like nine months.
And they were like, uh...
He's been invoicing us every single month.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
It happens all the time.
michael rectenwald
Typical white-collar corporate crime.
This goes on all the time.
I predict that Cohen will not only not get prosecuted, he'll be hired by MSNBC.
unidentified
As a legal analyst and financial crimes expert.
tim pool
Yep.
phil labonte
I mean, I have a problem following all of the stuff going on with Trump, the legal stuff, because there's so many different cases.
And to be honest with you, I don't find any of it particularly compelling because I just feel like it's all just Things being thrown at him to see what would stick.
And I feel like that's what the average normie kinda does.
I don't think the average person is tuned into this.
You have to really hate Donald Trump or really, really love Donald Trump to go ahead and pay attention to this.
This isn't moving the dial.
This isn't convincing anyone that doesn't already feel that they, you know, that hasn't already made up their mind.
They're not moving the needle at all.
And I think this hurts the credibility of both New York, and I think that it filters through to the rest of the government.
michael rectenwald
Just the overall... This is the party that's... People are going to look at this as extremely partisan, and this is a Democrat-run operation.
That's how they're going to look at it.
hannah claire brimelow
There's reports from the courtroom that the jury's tired, right?
That they're starting to shift in their seat.
They're getting more restless.
I mean, we're in like week five or six of this case.
At a certain point, you know, everyone can see the writing on the walls.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And I agree with what you were saying, Michael.
Anytime you can dunk on Democrats, I'm on board.
Because I really don't like the Democrats.
They've really, in my opinion, they've dropped the ball on a lot of things that didn't need to be dropped on.
Um, that being said, like, I just don't see how the, the government doesn't kind of get
smeared overall because I forget what it was.
There was something that just came out last week.
hannah claire brimelow
The phone call, which phone call there was a phone.
unidentified
So there was this recording playing court last week that they said... No, no, this isn't about court.
phil labonte
This is about something else.
Oh, it was the stuff about the Fauci stuff.
The fact that everyone knew that it was actually... Game of Function.
This harms... Like, right now, the population is significantly skeptical of institutions, whether it be the government, whether it be... And it goes through whether it's the government, the judicial system.
There has never been a time in my life when the institutions have been more suspect by the population, and the institutions have earned every bit of that suspicion.
Everything from the financial markets, to the government, to the judicial system, to the elections.
unidentified
Everything.
phil labonte
To the world, obviously the World Health Organization, but the United States Health Organization,
you know, the NIH here in the US, or whatever it's called, Center for Disease Control, whatever.
CDC.
Yeah, CDC.
But the point being, at a time when the population has never been more skeptical of the government
They're doing this garbage stuff that isn't going to go anywhere.
tim pool
Let's jump to this on the Post Millennial.
CNN legal analyst says Michael Cohen's stealing from Trump org is a more serious crime than Trump's alleged falsification of business docs.
I'd say Democrats have lost CNN, but they lost them weeks ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
This court case has been so abysmal for the anti-Trump activists that even CNN Fareed Zakaria saying this case would never be brought against anybody whose name wasn't Donald Trump.
And I hate how he framed it that way.
Please don't use the double negatives.
Just say the only reason they brought this case is because they are going after Donald Trump.
But they don't want to necessarily cross that bridge, but they'll get close enough.
Take a look at this.
CNN's Ellie Honig says Michael Cohen is guilty of more serious crimes in New York than those alleged against Trump.
The fact that he was never charged with larceny is important because stealing $60,000 through fraud is a more serious of a crime than falsifying business records.
I want to stress this again.
I believe, based on the testimony we've already heard from Costello, and what we know about Michael Cohen, The story is that Cohen wanted to pay off Stormy Daniels without anyone knowing, so he took a home equity loan to do it so nobody would know what he did.
It doesn't make sense that Trump went to his lawyer and says, can you take care of this and get an NDA signed?
Because that's normal, normal contractual work.
You go to a lawyer and say, someone's got a bad story.
Get him to sign the NDA and pay him a settlement.
Why would Trump or anyone need to hide that fact that they're doing something like this?
The fact that Cohen took out a home equity loan, admitted to doing this, suggests he was trying to conceal what he was doing.
That would mean it's not just $60,000 stolen from Trump.
I was wrong.
I said in a previous segment it was $130,000 on top.
It's the tax liability on top of the $130,000.
So we're talking about $130,000 stolen without the Trump Organization knowing what they're giving them the money for.
$30,000 because he pocketed it and didn't give the money to the IT company, and then the tax liability for both payments.
Tax liability and $160,000, which is going to be what?
Like $70,000 or something like this.
Co-install hundreds of thousands of dollars if the defense is telling the truth that Trump had no idea.
And why would he?
He's the head of this big organization.
He's not even dealing with accounts payable.
This idea is absolutely insane.
I guarantee you Trump's got 80 lawyers or more with all these different organizations, all these different properties.
He doesn't know which lawyer he's dealing with.
michael rectenwald
He's just a functionary.
Cohen, he's nobody to Trump.
tim pool
Exactly.
And so the idea that Trump personally goes, no.
Cohen was taking care of it because he's trying to, I think he's trying to butter himself up to the Trump administration, or the Trump organization.
I keep saying administration because he did become president.
And I think the reason was Cohen was able to steal money through invoices and he didn't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
michael rectenwald
So he kept the story going as well.
tim pool
Yeah, I think for Cohen, it's like, what's your incentive to pay off Stormy Daniels?
He could eventually, if he pulls it off, this heist behind the scenes, make himself look good by saying, I took care of this for you, don't worry about it.
I don't know that's actually the case.
I wonder if he's just trying to protect Trump to protect himself.
The longer the Trump train keeps going, he gets to latch on and suckle from the teat without them realizing it.
Let me play this clip from CNN for you guys.
unidentified
The way this was raised and addressed on direct is what Julia Louis-Dreyfus would call yadda yadda yadda.
I mean, here's what Michael Cohen said.
I think that was George Costanza.
No, no, no.
It was Elaine.
It was Elaine on yadda yadda yadda.
Here's the direct testimony, the way Michael Cohen explained what happened.
It was actually a girl that Costanza was dating.
Michael Cohen explained this whole thing, quote, that's what was owed and I didn't feel Mr. Trump deserved the difference.
That's a lot different than I stole $60,000 from my boss on the transaction at the heart of this case.
And by the way, the fact that he was never charged with larceny is important because stealing $60,000 through fraud, which would be larceny in New York state, is more serious of a crime than falsifying business records.
tim pool
This is grand larceny.
This is years in prison.
hannah claire brimelow
Couldn't he go to jail for like 15 years for this?
tim pool
Absolutely insane.
I can't.
hannah claire brimelow
He described it apparently as, well, I looked at it as a form of self-help, which makes me wonder about any other business interaction Cohen has been involved with with the Trump Organization forever, right?
I mean, Again, he is convicted of campaign finance issues.
He's lied under oath.
He's not a trustworthy guy.
And on top of that, like now he's openly admitting, oh, well, during this time I was stealing.
What else?
michael rectenwald
I'd like to see.
I bet you if I was one of his clients, I'd be looking at everything, man.
This guy's a total, total fraud.
tim pool
Take a look at this from Paul and Gracia.
Actually, I'm wondering if you could try and fact-check this real quick, Hannah-Claire, to pull this up, because this looks like Paul is sharing direct testimony, but I'd like to have the actual transcript.
Blanche, did you mean it when you said revenge is a dish best served cold?
Cohen?
Yes, sir.
You were willing to lie under oath if it affects your personal life, correct?
Cohen says, I don't understand your question.
Blanche, you testified under oath months ago that you were willing to lie if it affects your personal life, correct?
Cohen says, yes, sir.
So I'm asking the same question to you now.
Would you still be willing to lie if it affects your personal life?
Objection!
Objection sustained!
Blanche asks again, would you be willing to lie if it affects you personally?
Cohen says, yes sir.
So this came out during the trial, of course, so I'm assuming it is correct, but we will get a fact check if we can find direct testimony on that, just to make sure we have it right.
I'm sorry, Cohen is as degenerate as you can get.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, he's a total degenerate.
I mean, the guy's a complete fraud.
I would think that this is his whole M.O.
through life.
So, I mean, I'm sure Trump's not the only person he's defrauded like this.
tim pool
We'll shift a little bit because, Dr. Recktenwald, you want to be president.
michael rectenwald
Yes, sir.
tim pool
How would you... One of the things I want to know is that First, I think Trump is on track to win right now.
That being said, as someone who is running for president, how would you deal with these abuses of government that we've seen, not just in this case, but first and foremost, likely, I should say, with cases like this?
But also, we can go way down the line with FISA, Julian Assange.
What is a libertarian president going to do with things like this?
michael rectenwald
You mean with this kind of abuse by the state, the outrageous prosecutions and so forth?
I think this goes down to that we need to boil down these institutions to the local level and that we would eventually privatize all this.
The state shouldn't be involved.
Ultimate aim, but I think in the meanwhile, you know, you de-weaponize these departments immediately, like the DOJ and the New York Attorney General's office.
This is unbelievable.
tim pool
But does this mean prosecutions for these people who are acting corruptly?
michael rectenwald
I think so, yeah.
Sure.
Why wouldn't they?
Because they're corrupt, and they're abusing power, and they're thieves.
hannah claire brimelow
You know, first of all... Sorry, Gateway Pundits reporting the same thing, and they're saying that Paul Inglis was live reporting from the courtroom.
unidentified
Okay.
hannah claire brimelow
He was sitting in there, so... So there you go.
I can verify the exchange.
michael rectenwald
They're as big of thieves as Cohen.
I mean, these people are just, you know...
They're robbing us to engage in their own vendettas here.
tim pool
I wonder.
You know, I saw this really interesting tweet from the Hodge twins.
I was surprised to see this tweet because no one's expecting this.
They asked if anyone thought a civil war was coming.
And I was just like, oh wow.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a new concept for you, right?
tim pool
Yeah, never thought about that.
And it was interesting.
But I bring that up because there's a reason why it's not, you know, we on the show has talked about the prospect.
If Donald Trump gets elected in November, and I think based on all standard metrics it looks like that's going to be the case, but there is shadow campaign, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
I mean, we want to see, I want to see, I know probably everyone in this room wants to see accountability for corrupt government, which is a broad, which is a bit nebulous, but that ultimately means firings, criminal prosecutions where warranted.
michael rectenwald
Yes, starting with COVID.
Let's take it to the COVID issue.
I mean, we need prosecution.
We need investigations into what happened here.
The gain-of-function research, all the lies and dissembling about that, you know, paying Echo Health Alliance.
tim pool
And I think when they were Correct me if I'm wrong, gain-of-function research was banned in this- In the United States under Obama.
phil labonte
That's why they did it in China.
michael rectenwald
But they actually still were keeping it up at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.
tim pool
So, okay.
First and foremost, I think that's going to be a product of Congress in concert with the next administration, which we absolutely want to see.
My fear, however, is that, one, This is a fear a lot of people have, especially, this is a reason why a lot of people are leaning Libertarian, because Trump hired people like John Bolton.
Trump had bad hires.
michael rectenwald
Very bad.
tim pool
And while I still think he did an overwhelmingly good job, there is a concern that he's going to try and negotiate a deal which results in no prosecutions.
I mean, he was the one saying, lock Hillary up, and then gets elected and says, we don't want to do that.
I'm hoping that his attitude has changed quite a bit.
Phil's smiling.
michael rectenwald
But they put him in a compromised position so that he is at a place where they could push him to negotiate.
phil labonte
Listen, he's hilarious and everything, but that man will make a deal in a heartbeat.
In a second.
If you think that Donald Trump isn't going to cut a deal, any deal that makes him look good, that gets him into the good graces of Democrats, or of the establishment, because at the end of the day, I would love to see him go in there and actually be the bull in the china shop, like everyone talks about, and I'd love to see him go in there and be mad and want to get revenge, and I'd love to see all that stuff, because I want to see, you know, cabinet-level bureaucracy is just eviscerated, right?
I don't know.
remember who Donald Trump is. He is gonna cut a deal as soon as he can, but
michael rectenwald
but shouldn't he? Maybe not because the cases are getting weaker all the time so
I mean he may be in it. He should realize he's in a better negotiating
position than he was.
tim pool
Well, I think Trump has pushed back against the deep state for the past four years.
And I think he made the mistake in his first term of thinking, now that I'm the president, they're gonna fall in line.
And I'll have to work with these people.
But he did not realize what he was up against.
michael rectenwald
Not a clue.
tim pool
He probably has gained enough leverage to where he probably will still cut a deal of some sort, but I think we're gonna... I don't think that when it comes to any kind of conflict, most of the time, you're not looking at absolute victory and claiming everything.
Even if you win the battle, the battlefield's destroyed, the buildings are burned, and there's losses.
Yeah, you're gonna lose resources on your side.
I wonder if... I mentioned the Hodge twins asking about Civil War.
Civil war is good for communists.
This country fighting itself is good for the authoritarians who can then use, you know, oligarch style tactics of seizing control in the chaos.
And this is what we see with revolutions and how totalitarian regimes rise.
So I wonder if it actually would be better for us if Trump gets the upper hand but does cut a deal that prevents some kind of national divorce or collapse.
It means we don't get everything we want, but I'm hoping that it means we get enough of what we need.
phil labonte
The enough of what you need kind of thing, that'd be really great.
I know that I've been harping on this and I'm probably going to keep harping on it.
We're really, really, really in debt.
And unless we get the economy going in a way that, growing in a manner which outpaces Inflation.
And that will only slow the problem down.
That's not going to fix the problem.
I don't think that we can actually grow our way out of this.
We do have to cut, especially like entitlements, but that's the thing.
It's entitlements.
It has to be like the unfunded liabilities, your social security, the stuff that they have to pay for, not the discretionary stuff, the stuff that they have to pay for.
A trillion dollars every hundred days now, man.
A trillion, I saw this, I tweeted this, a trillion seconds ago was 30,000 years before Christ, okay?
And we're putting a trillion, a trillion dollars every hundred days is added to our existing 35 trillion now, yet over 150 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
tim pool
Just real quick as an aside, if ten years ago you were like, I'm gonna, instead of putting a hundred dollars in the bank, I'm gonna put it in my Bitcoin account, Oh boy, you'd have a lot of money.
phil labonte
Ten years ago?
tim pool
Was it like three grand?
A hundred bucks ten years ago is three grand in Bitcoin now?
Or no, six grand.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, it's more than that.
What would Trump concede?
I would hope he wouldn't concede like putting these people on trial for COVID.
And I hope he wouldn't concede the possibility of even entertaining a bill like Massey put forward to end the Fed.
That's a massive I know it's I know it's a it's a it's largely symbolic at this point.
tim pool
Yep.
michael rectenwald
But if it starts gaining traction, as libertarianism gains traction in the public mind, I think it could happen.
tim pool
And the Fed is like the shining golden star in the sky.
michael rectenwald
It's virtue signaling for libertarians.
Okay, we know that.
tim pool
Yeah, Trump's not going to do that.
But I do think Trump may forego criminal prosecutions of higher-ranking individuals, and this is what they always do.
Remember in Russiagate, they got that lawyer, what was his name, Clinesmith?
Was that who it was?
hannah claire brimelow
I think so.
tim pool
They get some low-level lawyer on falsifying an email, and then the people who are actually running the show having these big meetings, they get away with it.
And that's a mistake Trump made.
I'm hoping Trump learned his lesson.
But then again, there's the possibility that Trump is looking at the collateral damage in keeping this conflict going, which ultimately results in absurdities like in 2020, the Boston Globe reporting that war game, that Democrat war game, where they suggested the West Coast secede from the Union if Trump were to win a second term.
I think we want to avoid things like that at all costs, because as much as people would love that emotional satisfaction of, like, let the commies leave the country, the communists need to fracture the United States so they can steal power.
In the chaos during revolutions, you look at how communism comes to power, they need chaos, they need fractured confidence so they can start seizing institutions.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, they did that in czarist Russia, that's exactly what they did.
tim pool
So in order to avoid all that, what if Trump says, I'm going to win, but it means these people go off and live on an island somewhere and they don't go to jail?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
Which island do you think?
The Epstein Island.
tim pool
I mean, I figured that was implied.
No, hopefully not.
I mean, hopefully he says those people are getting locked up and we're going to send the Marines to go find them.
phil labonte
Maybe an island you could sink.
michael rectenwald
Oh, yes, if we get enough people on it.
Remember, they can't sink.
phil labonte
There was a congressperson that was worrying about an island tipping over.
unidentified
Tipping over for having too many... We could send everybody over there.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
There was an island I saw, totally as an aside.
It's like a small island that's only like half square mile, but it's got like 5,000 people living on it.
Something ridiculous like that.
Anyway, anyway.
I think we kind of, like, got to the point on that one.
We can come back to it, I guess.
But let's do this first.
The first question is, will Trump even become the president?
We have this story from the New York Post.
Trump demands drug tests for Biden before first presidential debate.
Seconded.
hannah claire brimelow
I swear Phil made this joke the other night when we announced the debates.
Someone on here said this, that we had to screen Biden for uppers and see what's going on.
michael rectenwald
Oh, definitely he's on Adderall or something like it.
tim pool
I got a shout out that viral tweet, because I don't remember who, I don't know the account who said it, because I just saw it going around.
And they said, it was a CNN tweet saying the debate June 27th between Biden and Trump is on.
And they said, we are about to see the Manhattan Project of psychoactive stimulants on this night.
michael rectenwald
A shortage of Adderall in the city.
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, no, no.
It's going to be something new.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that's probably right.
tim pool
They're going to have like, there's going to be like an IV tube going out of Biden offstage.
michael rectenwald
Right.
And that's why he doesn't want any audience, because, you know, we could see just how much of a prop he is.
tim pool
He'll be booed.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, that too.
tim pool
I think his support is so low that he can't have an audience.
Otherwise, Trump's going to say something like, the economy's bad.
People are going to be like, yeah.
And then Biden's going to say, Bidenomics is working, man.
And boo.
phil labonte
I don't think that they will be saying Bidenomics.
I think they moved away from that term.
It's a little on the radioactive side.
tim pool
Trump will say it.
phil labonte
Well, Trump will say it, definitely, yes.
But I don't see Biden talking about it because the Biden economy is not.
I mean, if you look at the numbers, Unbelievable.
They're nothing to brag about, right?
your rent and stuff like that. Those numbers are just out of hand.
michael rectenwald
Unbelievable.
phil labonte
Unbelievable.
There's nothing to brag about, right?
Compared to 2019 particularly, if Trump's like, you know...
michael rectenwald
But, I think the inflation is always lags behind the administration that's in.
So for example, Trump did print, or had created for the CARES Act, $6 trillion worth of new
money that was put into the economy, which definitely has added up to inflation.
It's definitely added to the inflation.
phil labonte
He's a Republican.
michael rectenwald
He's a Republican doing this.
phil labonte
Democrats don't lie about their economic spending, and Republicans lie about their economic policies.
michael rectenwald
That's just the way it goes.
He's absolutely contributed to this.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think it still remained bad under Biden, and then everything anyone would need to combat
this didn't accommodate it, right?
The cost of living is so expensive, wages aren't keeping up, people are suffering.
Every metric with the economy, if you're a young person starting out, is bad.
I think the problem Biden's going to face during the debates is Trump can Stay laser focused on the big weaknesses in his administration.
He can talk about the Afghanistan withdrawal.
He can talk about the economy.
He can talk about the southern border.
And I don't know that Biden is going to be able to coherently defend his record and also launch a counterattack against this.
phil labonte
I don't know that Trump is going to actually make it about economics or monetary policy because that's not Trump's wheelhouse either.
But there was that video that went around two weeks ago or whatever, three weeks ago, of Biden's lead economic advisor or whatever, completely incapable of articulating why we borrow money from the Fed.
Now, not that I can articulate it better, but I yell at a stick for a living.
That guy's head of the president's monetary policy, uh, whatever.
A lot of spending isn't actual spending.
that you can just keep printing money.
The modern monetary theory that they're operating under, that's still fairly new when it comes to monetary theory.
tim pool
A lot of spending isn't actual spending.
So it's like, let's say I've got a thousand bucks in my bank account,
and someone who works here is like, hey, we need to get the lawn mode.
I can say, I'm going to increase your spending limit to $100.
And they go, OK.
I didn't give them any money.
michael rectenwald
Right.
tim pool
They then call a landscaper who says, can you mow the lawn?
The landscaper comes, mows the lawn, and sends us a bill for $100.
That bill comes due.
So a lot of spending is like that.
So we're adding to the national debt, exactly, when we're saying like, okay, we're good for the money, we're the U.S.
government, go do the work and then we'll pay you later.
michael rectenwald
We'll send $60 billion to Ukraine for aid, for military aid.
It's not spent yet, obviously.
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
And what that basically means is we're going to tell all these weapons manufacturers, we're going to tell these PMCs, do it, bill us later.
And then this is what drives inflation.
We're, like, you know what I love about the IRS?
What is it, 87,000 agents they're doing?
michael rectenwald
New ones.
tim pool
The reason they're doing this is because they need the money to pay the debt.
They're like, look, we're not gonna get money from millionaires and billionaires.
That's a leftist lie.
There's not enough millionaires and billionaires to actually get enough to move the budget in any meaningful way.
But you get a hundred bucks.
from every single American, and now we're talking.
We're talking quite a bit of money.
You go after millionaires and billionaires, they're going to file lawsuits, they're going to challenge you, they're going to file claims, and you're only going to end up getting what?
Maybe tens of millions of dollars?
michael rectenwald
A lot of people don't realize that the so-called 1% are actually paying a lot of taxes already, and they're certainly not the The bounty that these leftists think that they are, that that's where all the money is at, that's absolutely not true.
phil labonte
They think that the way that leftists talk about, you know, billionaires and stuff, it's as if they think it's Scrooge McDuck.
michael rectenwald
Right.
phil labonte
You know, he's got a vault full of gold coins and then they go and just swim around in it.
And if they just tax them, if you tax them enough, Then you'll give enough money to the government to make the debt go away and pay for everything, and then they'll also still have a vault of money that they can swim in.
Yeah.
michael rectenwald
This is all premised on the idea that just by virtue of making a profit you're a criminal, that this is actually theft.
So it really does go back to Marxism, the idea that they're robbing the workers at the point of production, exploiting them, and that's where your surplus value comes from, and then And then, that's why the state is necessary to intermediate between the two forces, the two bodies.
phil labonte
The labor theory of value is a load of garbage.
unidentified
Totally.
phil labonte
It doesn't matter how much you shovel garbage.
It's just garbage for almost everybody.
It doesn't matter how much labor you put into shoveling that.
The value of something is decided by the person making the purchase.
It's just the way that it goes.
tim pool
Going back to this drug test thing, it's really funny, is that I tweeted this.
I tweeted, drug test before the debates.
And I got someone who was like, how about we test for felonies?
And it's like, okay, well, there's no, there's no felonies.
I don't know what that... Test for felonies?
But like, they're making a point like, yeah, well, what did Trump do?
And I'm like, my guy, Trump's probably on drugs too.
Like, what are you talking about?
michael rectenwald
We're talking about an advantage in a debate, not a total character assessment here.
tim pool
But I think the idea that Trump is going to have something, I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, they say he's a germaphobe.
They say he's kind of like a straight edge guy.
So probably not, especially if he's called, yeah, he doesn't drink.
There were rumors that he was taking some kind of uppers at some point or whatever.
I don't know that that's true, but I'm like, okay, well, if Trump's willing to do it, Biden, oh, Biden's going to be hopped up on goofballs.
hannah claire brimelow
See, I want Trump to come out and be like, sure, we can do a test, but I'm only taking alpha brain or whatever.
Yeah, right.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I think, I mean, the thing is, I don't know if they responded yet, but the Biden administration is going to act like, you know, Trump is this terrible person for suggesting this and how dare he insulting character.
And the reality is they insult Trump's character all the time.
They say terrible things about him.
Like we're just in a mudslinging phase of politics.
Neither one of these people are going to have anything to say.
Interesting to say.
But it is notable that Biden's team, when they released this video, saying, oh, well, I challenge you to debate, you've pointed this out several times.
There are so many jump cuts.
If you listen to a plate by NPR, you're like, wow, this Biden sounds very different than other Biden who I heard the last week.
You know, when you see the jump cuts, you're like, oh, this isn't just a continuous take.
tim pool
When you're editing audio, you can use faders and dissolve.
Crossfade.
Crossfade.
And this blends the two tracks together.
There's also something called room tone.
I don't know if you guys are familiar.
michael rectenwald
Yes, I have heard of that.
Yeah, we do this in... You get the exact, you know...
tim pool
Well, what you do when you're producing a video is you record the room for 30 seconds to a minute with no one talking so that you have what's called room tone.
And then you can play that anytime there's a jump so it sounds seamless.
michael rectenwald
Yes.
tim pool
And they didn't even do that for Joe Biden.
They just jumped.
michael rectenwald
They did a really bad job.
I mean, they could have at least cut it from the side, moved the camera somehow, but obviously they cut that so badly.
tim pool
If I was Trump, what I would do is I would have someone take a single word from a bunch of different speeches so that it's, I, Trump, hereby accept your debate.
And he'll be like, I beat you with the jump cuts, Biden.
phil labonte
Do you think that they were doing that stylistically because that's how a lot of YouTubers do their videos?
tim pool
Nope.
michael rectenwald
Oh, it's just that they can't get a single singular complete sentence out.
phil labonte
Well, but I feel like if you had a competent editor, you could edit that.
tim pool
No, so there's a technique that they do where they have two cameras set up.
One wide, one long, and that way when they press record on both cameras, no matter how many times you mess up, they can do this thing where it jumps forward and jumps back, and that's what Biden was doing.
When he's like, you know, look here, and then it gets closer, and then he says something, and then it goes further away, and then further.
It's a technique for, in the least amount of time, trying to get the sentences you need.
If they had a single shot of Biden, You could zoom in, but it hurts the resolution.
If you shoot in 4K, you can downscale to 1080 and you don't need two cameras anymore.
That's what they used to do.
There's no way to edit that seamless.
Because if Joe Biden's going, what was the line again?
He's moving, and so no matter what, you're going to have weird fades and weird jittery movements.
So you just can't do it.
I think the reality is that was the best they could get.
That's amazing.
It was 14 seconds and it had five jump cuts in it.
Meanwhile, Trump goes on stage for two and a half hours and is like, I don't need a teleprompter!
We're gonna put it, we're gonna put it, the wind blew it away!
And then he just talks.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
He just goes for it and it is funny.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
He's a stand-up comedian.
michael rectenwald
I mean, you see, it's hilarious.
There's no question about that.
hannah claire brimelow
It's very different, and I think that's the problem between the two candidates, right?
The difference is stark, and if you were a Democrat analyst right now, if you were advising this campaign, I don't know what advice you could give Biden if this really is just mental decline, right?
There's no coaching him out of that.
tim pool
Well, we have this story from the post-millennial.
USA Today, with tremendous advice to Joe Biden, says, to save America from Trump, Biden must drop out of the race.
No, please don't.
Biden, please.
You're our only hope.
hannah claire brimelow
You have to stay.
I want Joe Biden to be the Democrat nominee.
I hope that's clear to everyone.
tim pool
In an op-ed published on Monday titled, How Can Biden Save America From Trump's Return to the White House, Drop Out of the Race, USA Today urged for Biden to drop out for the good of the nation and the party.
Jeremy Mayer, an associate professor at George Mason University Schar School of Policy and Government, wrote for the outlet that Biden and GOP presumptive nominee Donald Trump are the two oldest among the most unpopular candidates in our history.
The Republican Party, the piece stated, is stuck with former President Donald Trump unless he dies or is incapacitated medically, adding that he may have to win to stay to jail.
But there is a way for President Joe Biden, a step aside, to voluntarily remove himself for the good of the nation and the party.
See, I think they keep Biden alive and they want to push him down our throats because it's a ritual humiliation practice.
is one of the few national Democrats who could get Trump reelected.
Let's uh, no, wait, don't, Biden, you're our only hope. You must run. See, I think
michael rectenwald
they keep Biden alive and they want to push him down our throats because it's a ritual humiliation
practice. I mean, they want to say, look how, how much power we have. We can put this guy who
can't even walk and talk in the presidency.
And it's very cynical. And that's like, this will make you realize we can do anything here to you.
tim pool
That's the black-pilled view of it?
michael rectenwald
Yes, it is.
tim pool
I'd like to give the white-pilled view of it.
And that is, the Democrats have nothing.
They are so flaccid right now.
Joe Biden is the best they have to offer.
Name me one Democrat that they can put up right now.
Everyone's going to say Gavin Newsom, but I disagree.
Maybe in the future, but right now he's weaker than Mitt Romney.
phil labonte
Yeah, he's real bad now.
michael rectenwald
I mean, his policies are outrageous.
California is a complete wasteland.
tim pool
It's like If you want to understand California, watch the new Fallout show on Amazon, which is in California, by the way.
And it's indistinguishable, if you were to ask me.
I'm kidding, by the way.
But the narrative around California's failure, Newsom can't do it.
Come on, give me another Democrat.
Who do we got?
hannah claire brimelow
I can name Democrats, but I don't think there is any.
tim pool
No, name me a Democrat who actually stands a chance of beating Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the thing.
unidentified
Well, with Russian help, Hillary could.
hannah claire brimelow
I've heard Michelle Obama is a popular choice.
tim pool
So Hillary is less popular than Biden.
Yeah.
Let's say Buttigieg, and the argument is he's moderately disliked, but they could shadow campaign him into the presidency.
Maybe.
I think the reality is Biden is there because the Democratic Party, because the Uniparty has evaporated.
It is a withered, feral ghoul on the ground struggling to move.
michael rectenwald
Thank you.
It's time for libertarianism and libertarians to move in and seize the day.
tim pool
Do you think they will?
michael rectenwald
Well, I think we're going to be in the conversation more than ever.
We're going to be pushing the Overton window toward liberty.
We're going to get our principles and our views out.
hannah claire brimelow
But do you think you'll convert former Democratic voters to libertarianism?
michael rectenwald
Well, they have to go through a lot of decompression and other types of... I mean, that's the hardest batch to get.
But I think Republicans will fall off into libertarianism, thanks to... Once we show them, here's the things that would really benefit America first.
And this is what Trump's done.
And look how much better this would be for America than what he's done.
tim pool
And I think that's... Some people are saying Fetterman.
hannah claire brimelow
This is the thing about Fetterman and Joe Manchin.
Joe Manchin, a lot of more independent or old school Democrats like him a lot.
He hadn't announced that he was going to retire yet, but there were a lot of rumors that he was considering a bid for presidency either as a Democratic challenger or an Independent.
michael rectenwald
Now that would bring my black pill back in.
Because if they do that, this guy is brain dead.
I mean, he has real serious cognitive impairments.
hannah claire brimelow
Biden or Manchin?
Or Fetterman?
michael rectenwald
Fetterman.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
I mean, he's really in bad shape.
hannah claire brimelow
But I don't think they could pull another progressive Democrat right now, right?
Like, the other thing is, I don't think Gavin Newsom would want to run and inherit this economy.
I think he has a bad record and he doesn't want to be the one to have to fix this.
I don't know that he could.
tim pool
People are saying Michelle Obama.
unidentified
And I want to add something.
tim pool
I don't know that we have any strong evidence that Michelle Obama can actually handle good public speaking.
hannah claire brimelow
Or wants to run.
tim pool
Well, but like, even if Michelle Obama wants to run, because that is the argument that Michelle does not want to run.
michael rectenwald
She doesn't want to.
tim pool
But what is the argument that Michelle is a known orator who can actually handle a public debate?
As Michelle Obama just made it, there's no evidence of that.
hannah claire brimelow
I think she gave speeches as First Lady.
phil labonte
I think it would all be just identity politics.
It would all be identity.
And if you go too hard at her, it's identity, it's you're attacking a woman, you're racist, you're blah, blah, blah.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's to try and milk the Obama name for a little bit more.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, yeah.
I mean, clearly it would definitely be a milking of the Obama name.
But I think her strength lies in the Obama name and her ability to capitalize on identity politics.
You know, people are going to be afraid to attack her.
They're going to be afraid to go.
I think Donald Trump would, you know, go, go full out against her, but I don't, I don't know how that would go, uh, with your normies because they already don't like the more coarse side of Donald Trump.
So that's just my, my take on it.
But I don't, I don't see her as, as, uh, actually being substantial.
tim pool
I think Trump's going to win.
I do think it would be absolutely fantastic if, as the Democrats are imploding, the Libertarians rise up.
I would just say, maybe it's a bit of a pipe dream, but the idea of the two parties being Libertarian and Republican would be absolutely fantastic.
phil labonte
It'd be cool, but the thing is, at least for me personally, COVID really blackpailed me on how much people want liberty.
I think that people want security more than they, at least nowadays, because we've had, historically in the U.S., we've had, for the most part, people have been so free for so long that they're so used to it.
The idea of not being free doesn't really register.
tim pool
It's safety.
I disagree.
I completely disagree.
I think what we learned from COVID was that people were terrified and would bend the knee to a corrupt regime.
Right.
The riots show that people do want freedom, but that they're unwilling to actually do any kind of meaningful organization.
michael rectenwald
To get it.
tim pool
So you get all of these states locking down, you get the governor of New York murdering people, and not just New York, you've got New Jersey, Pennsylvania, I believe it was Pennsylvania, as well as California, you got Michigan, nursing homes with COVID patients, and it's killing the elderly.
And people were angry.
There certainly were people who love to be a part of the mob.
They want to join the communist revolution.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, they love totalitarianism.
tim pool
But I think what we actually saw was not so much people don't want freedom, because they do, But they were unwilling to defend it.
phil labonte
I do not think that people have a significant fire in their belly for liberty the way that libertarians do.
And I don't think that the libertarian argument right now is something that there is a significant hunger for.
I think it's great that Donald Trump and RFK are going to be at the Libertarian Convention.
Hopefully that means more people hear libertarian arguments and more people are brought to libertarian arguments.
I just don't think that people.
tim pool
I just want to say, the Libertarian Party has a lot of wackos in it.
unidentified
Oh, listen, I'm not, you're putting me on the spot there.
hannah claire brimelow
Tell us about your party here, sir.
michael rectenwald
There's different milieus inside the party.
phil labonte
How many people are going to be naked this week?
michael rectenwald
Vermin Supreme is not running, so he will not be on the stage, but there are.
This is a character who wears a boot on his head and ran for president.
But there are different milieus within the party, and I love the most radical milieu.
By the way, they're having a party called Enemies of the State on Friday night at the convention.
This is going to be big.
That's my milieu.
That's the one that I identify with.
The most radical, and interestingly, Tim, The most radical people in the party are the people that are willing to roll up their sleeves and do work to actually make this happen, to make liberty come true.
They actually go to bat for real.
They don't just sit on the sidelines and criticize.
tim pool
I think the Libertarian Party needs a better identity.
But I suppose it actually makes a whole lot of sense.
When you look at Jonathan Haidt's research on moral foundations, the only... So I love this, because at first they were like, there are five moral foundations, and then they met a libertarian.
phil labonte
Nope, there's only one.
Just one.
unidentified
That's it.
Right.
michael rectenwald
That's it.
tim pool
They met a libertarian, and they were like, this is strange.
This individual is not registering on any moral foundation.
Certainly that can't be correct.
phil labonte
Straight up autism.
tim pool
And so what they ended up finding was there was a sixth moral foundation, liberty, and libertarians have like—okay, so let me pull up the moral foundations, actually.
phil labonte
It's hilarious.
hannah claire brimelow
Were you always a libertarian?
michael rectenwald
No.
As I mentioned in one of the shows here, I was actually a Marxist, okay?
So I know exactly how the left thinks.
I know what the premises are of their values and their philosophy, and I know how to debunk it entirely.
tim pool
What made you change?
This is a sample of a left-liberal moral foundations breakdown.
And you can see care, fairness, loyalty, authority, and purity.
These were the original moral foundations.
But then they kept running into libertarians.
And you can see libertarians are very low on everything except liberty.
And liberty is higher than everybody else.
And so they were like, there's something else going on here.
They created the liberty spectrum.
And this is the interesting thing.
So if you take a look at this, it's actually fascinating because it shows left-liberal, conservative, and libertarian averages alongside whoever took this test.
I don't know who it is.
The individual who took the test scored a 100 on care, an 80 on fairness, but loyalty is 40, authority is below 40, purity is a little bit above 40, and liberty is 23 or so percent.
This is a liberal.
michael rectenwald
This is a socialist.
tim pool
Right.
This is a far leftist.
Now, if you look at the blue graph, the blue bar, you can see that care is around 70%,
fairness 75%, loyalty is 40%, authority is 40%, purity is 30%, and liberty is 60%.
This is your average left liberal.
Conservatives still score higher on liberty.
Conservatives believe more in loyalty, authority, and purity, and they have slightly less care
and fairness.
But here's the interesting thing.
Conservatives are balanced.
When you look across the board, conservatives rank around 65-70% on all moral foundations.
It's a balanced moral view.
Whereas, libertarians are liberty, and liberals are care and fairness.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, see, here's the problem with this scale, I think.
And I know Jonathan Haidt personally.
The problem is that it distinguishes between caring and wanting liberty.
Whereas when you have liberty, you have the resources to care for people and you'll do it.
But when the government is robbing you on a daily basis, taking x percentage of your money all the time, you don't have anything left.
So they're looking for caring from the state.
That's where they want it to come from.
tim pool
What you're referring to is loyalty and authority.
michael rectenwald
Okay, how so?
tim pool
Well, so the idea that the state is taking your money is an authority and loyalty question.
michael rectenwald
I see.
Yes, it is.
Yes, it is.
But I think the care and liberty, they're posited as antipodes here, whereas I think they're not.
tim pool
They are antipodes.
The idea from liberals about care is, you don't know better.
So Bloomberg, for instance, we're going to tax the poor because they're stupid and they buy bad things.
Liberty is, let them buy whatever they want.
Care is, no, no, they're hurting themselves, so we're in charge.
michael rectenwald
So what it really means is government intervention, that kind of care.
In other words, we can't let people alone because they can't be trusted to take care of themselves.
tim pool
That's authority.
michael rectenwald
Okay.
tim pool
So what I'm talking about is, if you mix care and authority, you get Bloomberg.
michael rectenwald
Right.
tim pool
If you say care, it's someone who's like, care and fairness really just come down to the idea of other people should be happy.
But that is an ignorant impossibility in and of itself.
michael rectenwald
Yes.
tim pool
So this ends up, you get a bunch of leftists who, this person's actually, I don't even know if they're a socialist because they don't have any authority, but they have no liberty, so clearly there's something at odds there.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, there's something wrong.
tim pool
But care and fairness is basically just like, if two people, you know, look, a rich guy and a poor guy, hey, that's not fair.
But they're just stupid.
They don't understand.
What is fair?
Who's doing the most amount of work?
michael rectenwald
Exactly.
tim pool
Liberty is the guy getting naked on stage at the Libertarian convention.
michael rectenwald
That's not my idea.
unidentified
That's Libertine, not Libertarian.
tim pool
So this is the issue, I think, with the Libertarian Party.
michael rectenwald
Okay.
tim pool
Is that when I'm talking to friends, and I say things like, look, the Mises caucus are actually pretty great, listen to what they have to say, they point to woke libertarians.
There are some.
I mean, Joe Jorgensen.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
One of the guys that's running against me is, I would say, woke and he's trying to hide it, but definitely.
Who's that?
Chase Oliver.
tim pool
So what's his deal?
michael rectenwald
He's for Ellis Island-like immigration, and he's pro-choice, bodily autonomy, and also he believes that people under 18 children can take transgender... So he's woke?
Yeah, he's woke.
tim pool
How is he a libertarian?
michael rectenwald
And he wants the state to take special care of these particular beleaguered minorities, if you know what I mean.
tim pool
So how is he even in the Libertarian Party?
michael rectenwald
He's managed to mask his leftism with a little bit of libertarian rhetoric mixed in.
And people that don't really understand the principles are falling for it.
I think they're going to be disabused of this this weekend.
tim pool
One of the challenges, too, is a large portion of the Libertarian Party is for open borders.
michael rectenwald
That's a mistake, too.
tim pool
It's almost like there's no unified party.
michael rectenwald
Well, I think it has a consistent philosophy.
There's three principles, self-ownership, Ownership of what you make and the non-aggression principle.
That's the core.
But then you get into such issues like immigration and people read the same principles differently in terms of those issues.
I am not for open borders.
I believe in invitation-based immigration.
That is, if you're invited to come here and somebody's willing to take liability for you economically, then sure.
hannah claire brimelow
Would you be for ending birthright citizenship?
michael rectenwald
Um...
unidentified
I don't...
michael rectenwald
Citizenship is not the issue.
The question is whether they're allowed to come here or not, and that would be on an invitation basis.
hannah claire brimelow
But people use birthright citizenship as a way to legitimize their path towards immigration, especially if they've entered illegally.
michael rectenwald
Right.
Yeah, I mean, that's a tough one, because I am for liberty, but I don't want people infringing on property that they don't own.
And I think public property is really the property of taxpayers, whereas the state takes custodianship over it.
I don't think that's right.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from the AP News.
I don't know if this means World War III or what, but Iran's president and foreign minister died in a helicopter crash, and the AP says it's at a moment of high tensions in the Mideast.
So this is, you can see from these images that were released, it was very foggy, and so the official story is that they were struggling to see, they crashed.
It happens, they died.
Many people are saying, hey look, this happened to Kobe, right?
Israel has denied involvement, but there are many people who are saying that it doesn't matter.
It's like a Franz Ferdinand moment.
This is the death of the president.
He's the second most powerful individual in Iran, underneath the supreme leader there, Ayatollah.
So there is now an interim acting president who is in charge.
But a lot of people don't believe in coincidences, especially a month after rocket fire was exchanged between Israel and Iran.
The president dies.
michael rectenwald
And they killed some high-ranking officials earlier.
tim pool
At the embassy?
michael rectenwald
Yes.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So Israel strikes the embassy in, I believe it was in Damascus, is that where it was?
In Syria.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, in Syria.
tim pool
And then Iran retaliates.
Israel strikes back.
Iran denies it.
And now the Iranian president is dead.
unidentified
So, well, see the fog of war.
tim pool
It's very, you know, how often do heads of state die in helicopter crashes like this?
michael rectenwald
Very, very rarely.
tim pool
And he's not flying in.
I doubt he was he flying in some rinky dink little commercial.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's interesting because a report from a European news service was pointing out or saying,
you know, because of American tariffs and restrictions on Iran,
they're all of their flight infrastructure is very old.
So the helicopters are old, the airplanes are old.
And so actually there are some issues.
michael rectenwald
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it's also interesting because even, regardless, like if it is bad weather, he crashed the mountain, like total accident, there's another underlying tension of like, but if you guys weren't so restrictive of us, we wouldn't have this problem.
So even if it wasn't direct aggression, there's a way for anyone who wants to spin it to blame.
phil labonte
They're going to blame Israel anyways, right off the bat.
hannah claire brimelow
In that case, you'd be blaming America, right?
phil labonte
Pardon me?
hannah claire brimelow
In that case, you'd be blaming America.
If you're saying, you guys put all these restrictions on us.
phil labonte
It's the same thing.
Six of one, half a dozen to the other.
To Iran, it is.
Literally.
To Iran, it doesn't matter.
And they were going to blame Israel anyways, as soon as it happened.
Israel got blamed for the rain in Dubai.
You know, like they're going to blame the Mossad for this.
So I don't think there's any kind of question about whether or not anything's going to become of it.
I don't actually think so, because I don't think the president, being that he's just the president, he's not like the Ayatollah, he's not really the guy in charge.
michael rectenwald
Right, he's not really the guy in charge.
And they do have a cover of this fog, right?
I mean, there was very low fog.
But that's how you do it.
Yes, pilots often go under the fog in a crash.
tim pool
That's how you assassinate a world leader.
michael rectenwald
Right, at that moment, that's what I'm saying, using that fog, the literal fog of war here.
tim pool
Yeah, if Israel, or I shouldn't even bring up Israel, but literally any nation, the United States wants to get rid of the Iranian president, that's the time you do it.
And then deny all involvement.
And the crazy thing is, with the way cyber warfare currently, the state of cyber warfare, You know, I'm at the point where it's just like, I think it's fair to say every nation has its finger straight in the machines of the infrastructure of the other nations, and they're all ready to pull the pin at a moment's notice.
And that's keeping things tied down.
Because I tell you this, I don't think we'd be able to detect intrusions. If the
Iranians, the Russians, the Syrians, anybody, if they found a backdoor and then wrote themselves some
access, it would be difficult to find where and how they did it. And they could be sitting on a button
that could shut off electricity, they can shut off oil. And I doubt with this. I mean, let's
let's start from this point.
How many federal law enforcement agents are in this country?
What is the number, like 100,000?
phil labonte
federal law enforcement.
tim pool
Yeah.
So we're talking, how many people are in cyber command?
How many people work private and public cyber security?
I do not believe it is possible to secure our infrastructure based on how massive the infrastructure is and based on how difficult it is to actually track security vulnerabilities with how many people we have.
The same is true for literally every nation.
I'd be willing to bet the US, China, Russia, Iran, Israel, they've got pins in every machine and they're ready to pull them at a moment's notice and it's going to shut down gas, electricity, key infrastructure, bridges are going to be going wild, and look what the US and Israel did with Stuxnet.
Do you guys remember this?
Made a virus.
I could be wrong, it's been like 12 years since this happened.
But the general idea was, Israel and the U.S.
were like, we're gonna make a virus that will infect every computer everywhere.
And then as soon as the virus sees that it's in an Iranian nuclear centrifuge, it will blow itself up.
So people had this virus on their computers, it did nothing.
And then one day, the Iranian nuclear centrifuges blew themselves up.
They wouldn't stop spinning, they kept spinning faster and faster until they destroyed themselves.
That's something that we know the US and Israel did.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'd be willing to bet zero day exploits, meaning there's too many systems.
There's way too many systems.
I'd be willing to bet that if we went to war with Iran, All of a sudden, like, our pipelines shut down.
And then, I mean, look, you know what's wild?
Last year, I think it was last year, MGM, the casino chain, got hit by ransomware.
And they were like, pay up or we're shutting you down.
It was a couple casinos.
One casino paid, they were back online.
MGM said no.
And they were offline for months or some ridiculous amount of time.
Unable to unlock their computers, yeah.
When you go to the casino, they would hand, like if you were trying to play a slot machine, they have to walk up and hand you cash.
Yep, crazy.
unidentified
Maybe that's fine, kind of old school, kind of vintage.
tim pool
Not even.
Used to get quarters.
You put a quarter in, you pull the thing, quarter comes out.
It was mechanical.
Now with computers, the whole thing was fried.
hannah claire brimelow
That just reminds me how delicate the whole system is, right?
Once everything is integrated online, it just seems like the right person could take it
all out.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Not to be cynical about the internet.
tim pool
Do we see this driving, well I'll put it this way, I think it was Newsweek and Intercept both ran articles saying this is World War III.
The Intercept said Israel's attack on Iran is not risking World War III, it is war.
Effectively implying World War III is now.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't see it.
I honestly, I feel like And this is just, not that I'm any kind of expert because I don't know anything about anything.
hannah claire brimelow
But Phil, you were talking to a stick for a living.
phil labonte
I know.
I just, I feel like the operations that they're doing in Gaza, like, they're coming to a close.
They don't have any more major operations that they're talking about.
unidentified
Like, they're about to- Rafa, there's still a question of whether they're going to They're in Rafa now, though.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, but a further siege with more bombardment, yeah.
phil labonte
Okay, well, okay, so I don't know exactly what's going on, but it seems like it's winding down there, because there's not a whole lot much.
michael rectenwald
There's nothing left.
phil labonte
Yeah, there's nothing really left.
hannah claire brimelow
And they're starting the conversation about, like, well, what will it look like once it's over, which is interesting.
phil labonte
I just, I don't see that, I don't think that this isn't going to be, I don't see an escalation is what I'm saying.
And not, again, not that I, not like I have any kind of like inside information or oh blah blah blah, I just don't think that there's going to be any more significant escalation with Israel and I don't think that Iran I don't think it's going to do anything.
michael rectenwald
I don't know that they have the weaponry to do much.
phil labonte
No, I don't think.
michael rectenwald
I mean, they shot missiles at Israel and they didn't really do any damage as far as I know.
I mean, there was very little damage done by those missiles in Russia.
Do they have anything else?
phil labonte
But Russia's got too much stuff to do.
They've got plenty of their hands.
They do have their hands full with Ukraine, like whether or not like it's not like it's not like they could go ahead and have another war that they could actually.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, they're not as crazy as the United States.
We could be in three of them.
At the same time.
unidentified
It is.
phil labonte
I mean, the U.S.
actually has a big enough military to do it.
Russia doesn't, you know, whether or not it's a right idea.
hannah claire brimelow
What do you think happens with all these geopolitical tensions?
Like, how do the next couple of months before the election go?
michael rectenwald
There's a possibility that this administration tries to exacerbate tensions and make something happen so that now we're at war.
A wartime election makes it a whole different environment.
And that's a very serious and pernicious possibility, I think.
tim pool
I don't disagree.
I just don't know that anything could save Joe Biden at this point.
I mean, polls are coming out claiming that Trump's at 23% among black voters.
michael rectenwald
Yes, that's huge.
tim pool
I never believe it.
michael rectenwald
Well, it's probably not that high, but it's still high.
tim pool
Yeah.
And I think there was this moment today where, oh man, I was watching Fox News and Joe Biden was just saying a whole bunch of racisms.
Did you see this one where he went to the university?
hannah claire brimelow
He went to Warhouse.
tim pool
And then he was just basically saying, you can't succeed.
It's too bad, not fair.
michael rectenwald
We had one line that... White supremacy is the biggest plague, the biggest problem that faces us.
tim pool
You have to be 10 times better than the other guy to get the position or something like that?
michael rectenwald
Quite the opposite, frankly.
hannah claire brimelow
This is not the inspiring graduation speech that you've been getting.
tim pool
Didn't they turn their backs on him?
hannah claire brimelow
Some did.
michael rectenwald
Over the Israel issue.
hannah claire brimelow
Over Palestine.
And their valedictorian called for an immediate ceasefire, and Joe Biden applauded.
michael rectenwald
But he said on stage... Yeah, he did.
He's called for a ceasefire.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I mean, it isn't.
And then he went on to speak to the NCAA, he had another meeting during that week.
And I just think that that was a blunder on Joe Biden's part.
I think it's, I mean, I don't know, but I think that his administration is kind of
clunkily trying to court voters among minority people and they can't do it.
I think he's gonna, for everyone, he's going to have to answer for the economy and he's going to have to answer for the geopolitical tension.
Any young graduate, regardless of race right now, is looking at the world saying... That's why he's at CFAR.
michael rectenwald
Because he's trying to win these voters.
They're not going to do anything.
They've been sending these arms without any hesitation whatsoever.
There was one Well, let's jump to some lighter news I suppose then.
you know, we're going to withhold these arms. But then they made a shipment soon thereafter.
So it's it's just pretense. I don't believe anything he says about that.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to some lighter news, I suppose, then we have this from the Daily Mail. Kid Rock
uses N word waves handgun and challenges reporter to physical fight as he claims Donald Trump
cheats at golf in unhinged interview.
phil labonte
That's hilarious.
tim pool
Ah, I love this country so much.
michael rectenwald
This guy is the best.
tim pool
How old is Kid Rock now or something like that?
michael rectenwald
He's like 50-something, right?
hannah claire brimelow
I think he's older than that, right?
unidentified
Is he?
phil labonte
I think he's in his 60s.
tim pool
Well, let's read the news, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Daily Mail reports, Kid Rock wielded a gun, hurled racial slurs,
and instigated a physical altercation with a reporter, according to a new Rolling Stone article.
Of course, I don't believe Rolling Stone because they lie about too much.
Writer David Peisner recalled the encounter in a piece published Sunday,
following his interview with the country rapper in Nashville last month.
During the unhinged chat, they delved into topics ranging from immigration
and Donald Trump to Kid Rock's right-wing warrior persona.
As the drinks flowed and Kid Rock's intoxication grew, Peyser described a tense moment where the musician abruptly produced a black handgun, waving it before Peyser's face in an apparent attempt to make a statement.
And I've got a effing GD gun right here if I need it.
Kid Rock, who is also close friends with Trump, reportedly, Trump Jr., reportedly shouted, I got them everywhere.
The cowboy hitmaker reportedly used the N-word multiple times, notably while asserting that Republicans were the one who freed the slaves.
unidentified
He says, do you think you could whoop the ish out of me?
tim pool
He allegedly asked Peisner, who responded, probably not.
I agree, probably not.
hannah claire brimelow
He's 53, apparently.
tim pool
Kid Rock would be able to win a fight with his... Kid Rock?
What else is this?
phil labonte
You're not supposed to say the N-word.
tim pool
He says, you think I like Trump because he's a nice guy?
I'm not electing the deacon of a church.
That MF-er likes to win.
He likes to cheat in his effing golf game.
I want that guy on my team.
I want the guy who goes, I'm gonna fight for you.
Yo, this headline is America.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Unfortunately.
michael rectenwald
It's a total circus.
phil labonte
It's the bull god.
tim pool
But the thing is, when they say he uses the n-word, you know that he didn't.
michael rectenwald
You don't think?
tim pool
No.
Use and say are two different things.
The idea that Kid Rock was actually intending to insult and demean a person based on their race, I don't believe for one second.
The idea that he said that Yeah, I wouldn't put it past them.
America's a free speech place where people are going to tell you.
You know, it's the country where a homeless guy can give the middle finger to the president.
Go to Thailand and say this about the king.
And they'll kill you, right?
I think you go to prison.
I don't know if they'd kill you, depending on what you say.
But it's so bad, it's called les majesté, it's so bad that if you condemn someone who said, let's say in Thailand they say something like, F the King.
And then you go, how dare you say F the King?
You both have just committed les majesté.
The fact that you repeated it in condemnation is a crime itself.
And so people are terrified.
unidentified
In America, you can be like Kid Rock.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, you might get canceled.
unidentified
I don't know what he can get canceled from.
tim pool
He just added another 10,000 new fans.
michael rectenwald
Probably right.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
Although, like, I actually think, you know, Rolling Stone wrote how Kid Rock went from America's favorite hard-partying rock star to a MAGA mouthpiece.
I don't even know why you'd agree to do an interview with these people.
michael rectenwald
Why really do an interview with Rolling Stone?
I mean, come on.
tim pool
Is that his name, Bob Ritchie?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
His real name?
phil labonte
Bob.
unidentified
Bob.
phil labonte
Good job, Bob.
Hope you didn't use the hard R.
tim pool
I really doubt this guy's telling the truth, to be completely honest.
Like, the Rolling Stone is absolute garbage.
phil labonte
Look at what we're- we're talking about a man swearing.
hannah claire brimelow
There's crazy news out there today.
phil labonte
In a day when we were just talking about the president of Iran crashing you down.
tim pool
This is intentional.
It's like we're talking about all these really awful things, a demented president, the death of another president, World War III, and so I intentionally pulled up the silly stories for levity.
phil labonte
It is fair, but there are people that do get really upset about that.
I mean, there are people that will, you know, Make threats and try to get people fired and stuff.
tim pool
I just gotta say to everybody who's listening, if we talk about Kid Rock cussing up a storm and screaming, go Trump, there are gonna be people who are going to say something like, why are we talking about this?
This is a waste of time.
And then if we're like, okay, let's pull up the, you know, the story from Iran and the present, I'm going to say, you guys are pessimists talking about war too much.
Let's talk about something calmer.
There's nothing you can do.
phil labonte
I'm not even talking about the intensity of it, it's more of a comment on the fact that an adult swearing is something that actually is, even though it is for levity.
tim pool
Oh, I get your point.
michael rectenwald
The fact that he supposedly wielded a weapon, that's the question.
I bet you he didn't.
I don't believe that part of it.
I don't think he took out a gun and started But even if he did, that's kind of hilarious.
unidentified
He brandishes a gun and he swore.
phil labonte
And he used a dirty word.
The fact that Rolling Stone even mentions it is just so ridiculous.
tim pool
I'm going to tell you right now, I don't believe Rolling Stone.
This is just diarrhea.
It's news story diarrhea.
However, if I'm hanging out anywhere and someone's drunk and they pull out a gun, I'm leaving.
No questions asked.
michael rectenwald
If they're drunk, absolutely.
tim pool
No questions.
You are drunk and you touch a gun, I say, I'm leaving.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
Have a nice day.
That's it.
I'm getting out of here as quick as possible.
Because there was another story that we had.
It was on the sidebar of the New York Post.
Some dumb rapper teenager shot himself in the head.
Like, dude, you don't mess around with guns, man.
You gotta get training.
You gotta know what you're doing.
phil labonte
He broke three rules.
There's only four rules and he broke three.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the thing is with Kid Rock, they're always going to want to pull him out to be like, this is what everyone who supports the MAGA movement looks like.
He is this crazy guy with his long hair and he says crass things and he has a gun or whatever it is.
unidentified
This is your Trump vote.
hannah claire brimelow
If you have a neighbor who has a Trump sign in his yard, this is who lives next door to you.
Regardless of what you think of what Kid Rock said or Alleged said or did or whatever, like, the idea is to be able to hold up people who seem distasteful to the public and say, anyone who supports Trump is like this person and here's why you should be not just like, not friends with them, but also sort of scared of the weird and crazy things they do.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, they do the same thing to, you know, on a smaller scale, of course, to the people in the Mises caucus in the Libertarian Party.
They find, you know, they try to associate us with all kinds of racism and, you know, other kinds of indiscretions that they don't like, but it's, you know.
tim pool
You know that someone at Rolling Stone was like, are we a music publication?
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like I haven't been for a long time.
phil labonte
Maybe that conversation happened 10 years ago.
tim pool
Right, the editor walks up to one of the Democrats that's working in the office currently on the phone with Joe Biden and he's like, you know how we used to be a music publication?
Let's interview Kid Rock so we can smear and insult Trump supporters.
And the Democrat was like, that's a great idea and I can pretend to be a journalist.
And this is where we are.
This is America, everybody.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, that's what I always thought about Teen Vogue when they started having political reporters.
And I thought, you're a teenage girl magazine.
tim pool
We got to pull that one up.
We got to pull that one up.
What was that Teen Vogue mark thing?
hannah claire brimelow
Teen Vogue.
phil labonte
Teen Vogue talking about Marx.
tim pool
Yep, there you go.
Teen Vogue.
Who is Karl Marx?
unidentified
Meet the anti-capitalist scholar.
phil labonte
Insane.
Insane.
michael rectenwald
The anti-capitalist scholar.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
michael rectenwald
Okay, so that's all he was, was just a scholar.
hannah claire brimelow
Insane.
michael rectenwald
He wasn't a mad ideologue who tried to destroy civilization with an utterly flawed theory Uh, and it wasn't a, you know, really he didn't cheer on mass terror, although he did.
tim pool
What a lunatic this guy.
hannah claire brimelow
So why were you a Marxist?
michael rectenwald
Like, how did you get... Listen, I mean, I was indoctrinated through... I went to graduate school and got indoctrinated through English departments and tons of books and reading they kept thrusting on us and, uh, eventually... But you weren't political before that?
Not really.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, I was somewhat political.
I was very anti-war, but they kind of just drilled into you.
I mean, I have agency.
I thought there was some ethical basis to it.
I thought it was more ethical than capitalism, but I realize now that it's absolutely the most unethical economic system there is, because it's premised on theft.
hannah claire brimelow
And what made you, when did the tide start to turn?
michael rectenwald
When I was at NYU and I started speaking up against, like things started percolating in my head about this social justice of wokeness and all that.
It wasn't called wokeness yet.
This was 2016 and I started speaking up on Twitter.
I started a handle, anti-pcnyuprof.
That got a little attention and then they came for me.
Yeah.
tim pool
You got fired, didn't you?
michael rectenwald
No, I was not fired.
I left with a settlement, as a matter of fact.
They like to lie, speaking of lies.
Wikipedia is a lie rag as well.
tim pool
But it's because you've got collectivists up against individualists.
The individualists are like, I'm gonna do my thing, my business.
The collectivists are like, all for the revolution.
michael rectenwald
Oh, absolutely, and they're very interested in destroying the individualist.
tim pool
To the point where Teen Vogue wrote a puff piece on Karl Marx.
michael rectenwald
This is unbelievable.
What's it say?
I can't see it from here.
tim pool
You may have come across communist memes on social media.
The man, the meme, the legend behind this trend is Karl Marx, who developed a theory of communism, which advocates for workers' control over their labor instead of their bosses.
The political philosopher turned 200 years old on May 5th, but his ideas can still teach us about the past and the present.
The famed German co-authored the Communist Manifesto, which scholar Frederick Engels in 1848, a piece of writing that makes the case for political theory of socialism, where the community, rather than rich people, have ownership and control over their labor, which later inspired millions of people.
Here's the trick.
You want to know what the trick is?
You already own your labor.
Yeah.
You never didn't.
michael rectenwald
Right.
tim pool
And so the issue is, the idea, when they tell you, you don't actually own your labor, your boss does.
What they're really saying is, you provide little value beyond what labor you have.
And what I'm actually saying is, you would get more if only you had some kind of nebulous claim to something.
Basically, the issue is, for a lot of people, They sell their labor for what they can sell their labor for.
And the unfortunate reality of the world is some people can sell their labor for very little.
Well, if you want to steal power and destroy an institution, go to all the workers and say, you're getting paid ten bucks an hour.
You know that he's getting paid 15, right?
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
And so what you do is you sow discord by tricking people into thinking that they're getting less than they deserve.
Right.
And so there are instances where certainly people are getting less than they deserve, but the market is the market.
michael rectenwald
Yes, there are cases, usually by monopolies, which only come into existence thanks to the state.
tim pool
I don't think it's only the state that makes monopolies, but the state certainly makes monopolies.
michael rectenwald
It makes monopolies, but I would argue that there are no natural monopolies.
tim pool
The East India Trading Company?
michael rectenwald
That was a state project.
Great Britain was completely behind that, even with military assistance.
tim pool
Yeah, but you could argue that the power of the East India Trading Company basically dictated the government was operating outside of its borders.
I suppose that at a certain level the state and the corporations operate interchangeably.
It was a colonialist project as well, so... But I think it's probably just fair to say that at a certain level there's a coalescence of government and corporate power into a fascistic machine.
michael rectenwald
Yes, that's correct.
tim pool
So that's the kind of collusion... We're looking at the top of the hill from both sides of the enemy.
michael rectenwald
Exactly.
Absolutely.
I always look at it from the side of the state and what they're doing, and they would not be able to have collusion with corporations if they didn't exist.
tim pool
Well, for what reason teenagers need to learn about Karl Marx?
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
So they don't learn about anything else.
So this is what they're like, wow, he seems like he helped the workers.
phil labonte
You're right.
But this is something that I've talked about before.
It's not just Teen Vogue.
You get Teen Vogue and GQ will have the same thing and then Good Housekeeping.
all run a similar leftist. And essentially you're getting this mono message from all
of establishment media or from a vast majority of establishment media. There's no reason
why GQ and Teen Vogue would be running the same articles.
Why would, you know, 30, 40 year old upper, upper middle class men.
be interested in the same thing that teen girls are. There's gotta be an orchestration going on.
It's completely ridiculous to think that they would, other than to try to feed a narrative.
tim pool
Let's jump to another story here. This one's just kind of fun and silly, but it's kind of scary.
From NBC News, Scarlett Johansson says she was shocked and angered when she heard a chat GPT
voice that sounded like her.
The Her actor released a statement following OpenAI pulling its Sky voice from ChatGPT, which many people sounded like her.
This is the degree of insanity in which we are currently living.
If an AI sounds too much like a celebrity, the celebrity complains, and then they pull the AI, even though it was not actually based on her voice.
Scarlett Johansson said on Monday that OpenAI used an eerily similar voice to hers for their new ChatGPT 4.0 chatbot, despite having declined the company's request to provide her voice.
Blah blah blah.
I guess the gist of the story is they did offer, she said no, and so they found someone else who sounded kind of like her to use her voice instead, but then she was like, hey, that sounds too much like me.
michael rectenwald
This is intellectual property law.
Complete sham.
It's got to be stricken.
It's garbage.
All the way down.
tim pool
I think the reason why I wanted to get into the AI subject, and this was certainly an open door, is that the end is here, my friends.
I believe it's the end.
It was nice knowing all of you, and I am preparing to live in a van down by the river.
The reason is there is an increasing trend that TikTok videos are going away.
You know what people are doing?
They're making completely AI-generated videos in every way.
So, eight years ago, between six and eight years ago, we had this Elsagate fiasco on YouTube, where people were using computer programs to auto-generate videos that they could upload to YouTube that would manipulate the algorithm, and they'd make money.
The problem is, at this point, the computer-generated videos were rudimentary at best.
They would write a simple program that says, like, first they created an animation.
Two figures doing Tai Chi and dancing to a poorly recorded version of Finger Family, a nursery rhyme.
Then they wrote a simple script saying, choose at random these skins for the figures.
It could be the Incredible Hulk.
It could be Hitler.
It could be a woman in a bikini.
Any combination of colors.
And so there was one that was funny where it was Hitler's head on a woman's body.
In a bikini doing tai chi with the Hulk.
YouTube quickly saw this and said no no no get this stuff out of there and deleted it.
It was up for a little while.
These videos were getting thousands and tens of thousands of views and making money for people.
But it was so ridiculous they got rid of it.
A.I.
has improved.
And now if you open up TikTok or Instagram, you will see videos that are completely A.I.
generated, where it's like a CGI man and he's like on a pogo stick.
And then the voice goes, did you know the world record for pogo sticks hops is 1,274,000?
And it's playing this song.
unidentified
It's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
tim pool
You've heard the song, I know you have.
And these videos all have millions and millions and millions of views.
But they're not crazy.
Someone, and it's 100% AI.
The AI chatbot program pulls a factoid, generates a quick video of it, and then, or it's a random selection of clips related to the keywords, and then an AI-generated voice says it, with text appearing on the screen, auto-uploads it, and this is replacing all media.
With ChatGPT voice and stuff like this, people aren't going to talk to people anymore.
They're not going to listen to podcasts.
michael rectenwald
You're going to get a call from your, in my case, you're going to get a call from supposedly my son.
I need X amount of dollars.
They're going to be able to simulate your voice entirely.
And you could use this to rob people, to scam them, all kinds of stuff.
tim pool
I'm just saying...
michael rectenwald
But also reality.
You're talking about the fact that we're living in a simulation.
That's the problem.
tim pool
We are going to be living in a simulation.
Not even in the Matrix, but with a...
You know, people – I love the podcast era.
It was amazing.
And it's going away, right?
So we had radio.
Everyone listens to radio.
Wow, amazing.
Then you get television, and all of a sudden everyone in the country is watching the same few shows, knowing the same things.
If you live in New York and you drive to Chicago, you can talk about what was on, you know, Jimmy Carson or whatever.
Right.
And then we started moving into the internet era.
And in this period, you've got decentralization to a little bit where things flattened out and shows like this were able to emerge.
But now we're entering total saturation with AI generation.
Meaning, at first it was like, are you skilled enough to do a show and speak to the masses?
You gotta have the technical capabilities, you gotta have a producer, a sound guy, all of these people come together to build a machine to send that broadcast out.
And it was so hard to do that there were very few and everybody watched the same ones.
Then with the internet became easier and easier and easier.
So shows like this could emerge.
Still there's a level of work ethic and technical know-how you need to record videos, produce a show.
We are now at the point where people are almost entirely, not almost entirely, but we're moving very much into Minute soundbite, social media.
So people are just scrolling up, scrolling up.
Random video, random video, random video.
Consuming no real information from them.
And we're coming to the point where it's CGI and AI.
So now, the barrier of entry is zero.
The value is zero, but the dopamine is 100.
So this is the end, and the good news is that it's gonna be Scarlett Johansson who's whispering sweet nothings into your ear as you fade away into the Matrix.
hannah claire brimelow
It's fake Scarlett Johansson, right?
tim pool
Allegedly?
We have Scarlett Johansson at home.
michael rectenwald
There'll be no original left.
There'll be simulations with no original remaining.
tim pool
We're there, man.
Suno.com, this AI music generating stuff?
It's nuts.
phil labonte
The capabilities of AI and what people are going to do with it is definitely something that is unnerving, I guess.
tim pool
Welcome to the end, Phil.
Read it.
phil labonte
Portable, non-invasive, mind-reading AI turns thoughts into text.
michael rectenwald
Oh, so we're going to not, so we won't... This is what Neuralink is really going to come down to.
You're going to be connected to the cloud, your brain will be connected to the cloud, your brain, your thoughts will be known to the cloud, the central database, and they'll actually import, impute thoughts to you.
tim pool
I feel bad for Elon.
I feel bad.
You know, he's working so hard on Neuralink, and Neuralink has been talking about one of the challenges they have is that these very thin wires apparently get displaced.
Of course.
It's difficult to do.
And what they're doing with AI is they're using electroencephalograms.
Basically, they may be using something much more advanced than that.
phil labonte
I read something on this earlier, and that's what they were using in EEG.
tim pool
They put a helmet on your head, and it monitors brainwaves that are coming out of your head.
And humans have no idea what the waves mean.
They can't interpret this.
But the AI can.
So what they do is, they have people watch videos, and then they tell the people to say what they're watching.
The AI, the computer, then scans the brainwaves of all the people watching these same videos, and after enough samples, the AI says, I got it.
This pattern correlates with these things.
And they got to the point where I was watching this video, And the guy says, now we're at the point where you can put on the headset, watch the video, and then the computer will tell us what you're watching.
Reading your mind.
michael rectenwald
Yes, reading your mind, absolutely.
So they're inferring backwards from those tests, yeah.
tim pool
It's more than just watching the video, though.
So the more people watch the videos and provide this data, it's more than just, they play a video of a teenage girl walking her dog.
What the video showed was, the AI doesn't just say, a video of a girl walking a dog, it shows what the woman was thinking.
And the woman who was recording saying, that woman looks like me, and she's walking her dog.
michael rectenwald
This is the observer, not the woman walking the dog, right?
tim pool
It was a woman watching a video, and the AI read her thoughts.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, this is all possible.
Absolutely, they've been talking about this for 20 years.
tim pool
So, we're gonna get to the point where, More than that.
Kurzweil, you know, going back to... This EEG technology, if it improves dramatically, and the market will dictate, and there's a value for government especially, they're going to find ways to minimize the requirements of an EEG so that they can scan your thoughts at a distance, and maybe they already can, and then use AI to decode what you're thinking.
unidentified
Let's show them a picture of Hitler and see what he thinks!
tim pool
It's not just that.
It won't matter.
You'll be walking down Times Square, and they will be scanning all of the thoughts, and then all of a sudden there will be a guy walking, and the cops are gonna run out and grab him, and he's gonna go, I didn't do anything!
And they're gonna find a knife.
michael rectenwald
Oh yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Thinking about it.
So it's premeditated.
michael rectenwald
It's pre-cog.
To crime.
Yeah.
tim pool
Weren't for a wild ride.
michael rectenwald
Needless to say, this is my nightmare.
There's gotta be a way around it.
There has to be a way to... A tinfoil hat.
Yes, that's probably right.
tim pool
I'm not kidding.
phil labonte
I imagine there will be some, I mean they figured out ways to beat facial recognition with masks and different types of face painting.
I imagine there will be people that are going to be figuring out ways to try to come up with some kind of jammer.
There's already talk about jammers for drones and stuff like that.
tim pool
I don't think so because what will end up happening is, let's say they do implement this in Times Square.
You walk into Times Square with a jammer, they run in and grab you.
Sell jammers are illegal.
You have any kind of blocking.
Masks are, in many places, illegal.
They can actually stop you and detain you for wearing a mask and make you remove it.
Granted, a few years ago, it was the opposite.
They would stop you and detain you if you weren't wearing one.
michael rectenwald
The most dangerous prospect here is if the government uses this stuff to control people, to read their minds and actually control their behavior.
tim pool
What if they're already doing it?
If military already developed this technology a while ago... They're always in advance.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, they're way out ahead of consumer technology, for sure.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I thought was interesting with Colorado, Jared Polis, the governor, just signed into law the bill
unidentified
No.
hannah claire brimelow
regulating AI or attempting to regulate it.
And they're kind of presenting it as a, we don't want you to use the algorithm to discriminate against people.
So we want, you want you to have to like release certain amounts of data and whatever else.
But he was like, you know, he's a Democrat and he was saying like, I understand that you want to protect
consumers and their privacy, but this could really stifle technology.
And I think we're at this.
I mean, AI really does represent this very strange knife blade kind of thin razor line point where people are.
Saying, you know, Elon Musk is pointing out you can use certain technologies to help people really in need or paraplegics or whoever else.
But on the other hand, in the wrong hands or just in the unknowing hands, AI could potentially be destructive.
You don't know what it's collecting.
You don't know what it's referencing.
I mean, chat GPT is fallible.
It cites things.
It messes things up.
And so where do we stand?
Because, you know, if you don't want government regulation, How do we keep all of these things in balance as the technology races forward?
michael rectenwald
The only regulation I would like to see is to keep it out of the hands of the state altogether.
And otherwise, I think competition is the only answer because otherwise we're going to have these dominating forces like who monopolize the market and they have a particular ideological standpoint, have a particular agenda.
We need to have competition and let it flow.
tim pool
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All right, we got Relax Buddy, who says, I've been a viewer from the start.
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A teen drunk driving destroyed my car recently, and I'm struggling to get work every day.
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Apparently, there's no Clint today.
No Clint.
Kyle says, wanted to say thank you to Cast Brew and Alex Stein for sharing my tweet showing our Cast Brew coffee display at Chronic Golf plus Games.
Mind sharing as well, Tim.
Also, any updates on the espresso roast?
We are backlogged on, we've been waiting for months for Ian's graphene dream.
I don't know what the holdup is.
It's Ian's Graphene Dream.
I believe it's a low-acidity blend, and we've got really cool graphic design for it and everything, and we're backlogged.
I don't know what's going on, and it's a bit frustrating, but it takes a long time to get the stuff off the ground.
But I did share it, sir.
I shared it.
Really awesome.
Thank you.
This is our Cast Brew Coffee now has wholesalers selling the coffee at their stores.
That's pretty cool.
Manifestory says, Howdy!
Again from Texas, y'all.
Howdy, howdy.
unidentified
Let's go.
Alright, we'll grab some more Super Chats.
tim pool
Based Ventura, we got a three-parter here.
He says, Women have in-group preference, being girl's girl.
Men have out-group preference, separate selves from the pack.
Compliment natures.
Help women foster community, men defend it from threats.
Feminism weaponizes, though.
Push women to always empower women, make men attack every man who opposes, leading to never-ending feedback loop breaking society.
Khan's oppose feminist message can't root out due to innate desire to nurture vulnerable.
To stop evil invader Pearl's value not in the hot takes, but she rejects normal group preferences, thus defangs feminists of most subtle useful weapons, open more people to seeing Purge virus.
I believe you probably needed four or five to get the full message out, because your shorthand became very difficult to understand.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
That was hard to follow.
But I did a follow-up on the Culture War episode we did earlier at four.
Because, you know, Pearl's pretty nasty on Twitter.
She's allowed to be.
I get it.
It's the internet.
I'm not saying she shouldn't be, but I'm saying she is.
And my thoughts, she basically, you know, some guy said, you know, my wife and I pray, you know, try to talk about how to serve the Lord better, and I pray that you find someone.
And then she said, like, your wife is 40 and overweight.
Nobody wants what you have.
And I was like, I really feel the only reason to say that to somebody is because you're hurt.
Like, you're trying to blast someone who has something you want.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
Because there's no real logic behind someone saying, I pray that you find a life partner, and then you say your wife is an overweight old woman, you know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I like to take that as an insult and attack.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like, for what reason?
And then saying no one wants what you have really sounds like you kind of want what they have, you know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
It's hard to say.
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, my impression of Pearl, who was a perfectly lovely guest, was that her audience is... Her message is for men who are looking for information about the way, you know, modern culture has changed women, and it's sort of looking for confirmation of things they already feel.
So, you know, maybe the fact that she's so aggressive online appeals to... Pearl's a masochist.
tim pool
I think Pearl is right about a lot of important things.
When she talks about divorce court, and the biases in the system, and the problem with the laws, I agree.
But I do believe that she is an anti-feminist by speech, but a feminist by practice.
michael rectenwald
Sounds like it, yeah.
tim pool
I don't mean that disrespectfully.
And I'm sure she might not appreciate it, or maybe she agrees.
She's a 26-year-old, unmarried, professional woman running a company with employees.
I mean, this is the second-wave feminist dream come true.
A woman choosing in her mid-twenties to not get married, not have a family, to be a leader of industry with millions of fans, and to be making—I'm assuming she's making millions at this point with how big her audience is, I could be wrong—but she started a new company.
She's hosting a show.
This is, this is, it's absolute feminism.
I, I, I wouldn't know what else you'd call it.
I don't know what your thoughts are, Phil.
phil labonte
I don't know that I would call it feminism.
Um, because just because she's just because she's, uh, an entrepreneur or doing entrepreneurial things, because I don't know exactly how much she is.
She does it compared to like, whether, whether it's like a team or whatever.
Um, Because if I understand correctly then this could be this is just what I've heard I could be wrong But if I understand correctly her father's involved with with her Her stuff as well But but I mean I don't think that she's actually a feminist just because the message that she's putting out there isn't a feminist message I said anti-feminist speech, but a feminist in practice well again again I don't I don't think that I don't think that just having a a career is is in
is indicative of being a feminist.
You don't have to be a feminist that's like... What was first wave feminism?
Well, I guess the first wave of feminism was about voting.
tim pool
And what was second wave feminism?
phil labonte
Second wave feminism was about property and about whether or not they could work at all and whether they could own property and stuff.
tim pool
So I called her a second wave feminist in practice.
I mean like like so the victories of feminism resulted in the creation of Pearl and she's
saying that she speaks out against third and fourth wave feminism for sure but she upholds
phil labonte
second wave feminism. I get I get the point that you're making because she's out there working
and stuff like that but I don't know that she's actually looking to promote that message so.
tim pool
Right I don't think she is but there's there's a difference between the words you say and then
That's why I said her speech is very anti-feminist in a modern context, but she wholly represents feminism.
When you're debating a conservative Christian woman and saying, what makes you think you have the right to tell your husband how to worship God, and what makes you think you have the right to tell other men how to lead their households?
It's like, You're taking a Christian conservative perspective and critique while being a feminist.
phil labonte
I don't even know what her actual beliefs are, though.
Like, I know that she says that she's against feminism and wants to see, you know, I guess she's kind of red-pilled.
But other than that, I don't know if she's actually all that religious.
Right.
It's cultural.
tim pool
And this is why she says things like, during the debate, she was like, I'm going to tell people how to live.
She's like, I'm just criticizing these groups, and I'm like, oh, okay, well then, like, you represent feminism well.
Like, the idea that she could be critical of conservative women for not following their moral standards while being a girlbot, like...
I agree with the criticism.
I agree with a lot of Pearl's criticisms when she said, like, how many of you here were virgins on your wedding night?
And then people are going like, oh, because like conservative Christian women don't really often stand up to those values they claim to because they're not actually ultimately traditional.
But then she defaults to when someone says, what's the solution?
She goes, I'm not telling anyone what to do.
And it's like, oh, OK, so you're criticizing conservative women because you think they're hypocrites.
Fine.
Fair point.
A lot of times they are.
And then what does that leave?
She's critical of women, she's critical of the feminist hypocrisy, she's critical largely of conservatives right now and how they talk about God and all that, and she is an unmarried 26-year-old professional woman running her own business.
phil labonte
Is she trying to get married?
Again, not that I know anything about her personal life or anything.
tim pool
I think the issue is if she was living in practice, this idea of being a traditional mother and a woman, She wouldn't be living that.
And so, I believe her position is, this is the way things are, so this is what we do, much like Fresh and Fit.
And that's why I'm not saying she's espousing a feminist message.
I'm saying she represents a wave of feminism, and the hopes and dreams of feminists are what she... I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
I'm saying, like, it's interesting.
It's an interesting point.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, except that there's been a time, I mean, there's a whole history of women in power that weren't feminists and well before the feminist movement and owned businesses and ran, you know, whatever.
They ran the whole country.
They ran empires.
tim pool
If you told a woman in the 70s that there would be, you know, or the 60s, 50s, women
as if you described probably like, wow, you know, these feminists would be like, that's
the dream.
Criticizing the machine, criticizing the hypocrisy of conservative values, even other women and
being a wealthy, successful, independent woman who doesn't have to get married and have kids
and like.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think a lot of feminism is viewing the world through the framework of what are the
men doing, right?
What do they get to do that we don't get to do?
What should we be doing in relationship to the actions they're taking?
I mean, it's a very – even though it has the root word feminism, it has female in the name, it's actually very much about men and reacting to them.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, especially third wave when it's about just taking down the patriarchy and all that.
hannah claire brimelow
And fourth wave being like should we let biological men into our club?
tim pool
The one thing that I think creates a logical inconsistency for me is Pearl offering up no solutions.
Literally, I mean, that was her position, was, I'm not telling anyone how to live, or to live like me.
I'm saying, this is just the way things are.
And it's like, are you mad about the way things are?
Because you contribute to the way things are.
Even, like, if you're upset that women are doing certain things that you don't like, that courts favor women, the laws favor women, all of these things are bad, then It's almost paradoxical to be a representation of second-wave feminism.
phil labonte
Aside from the fact that she's got a red-pilled message, I don't know exactly what her... I don't know where she's coming from.
I don't know if she actually considers herself trad or anything other than just, oh, red-pilled and I think women are whores.
Which is kind of falling short of her stick.
tim pool
Let's read some more Super Chats.
Pile of Kyle says, all rail and marine shipping ports in South Carolina have been shut down all day due to software issues.
Saw a bunch of signs driving down the state for work.
This does not appear to be a cyber security issue.
unidentified
Fun.
tim pool
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that the industrial control systems that a lot of our machines operate on haven't been updated since the 80s.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so, like, hacking into them is easy, to put it mildly.
But I do think that they've been rapidly trying to update this infrastructure and make sure that it doesn't fall apart.
hannah claire brimelow
But it's like trying to fix a building while you're still working on it, right?
It's ever expanding and also you have to go back and maintain it.
It's not a job I would want.
tim pool
I mean, look at the power lines.
It was a point I heard a long time ago.
The power lines, it was a trivia question, what's the oldest operating machine in the United States?
The power grid.
These power lines were installed, you know, 130 some odd years ago, and we've only done routine maintenance on it.
It's the oldest functioning machine that's never been taken down and replaced or restored.
There's a fascinating thing with how infrastructure works.
In the United States, we invent cell phones.
Oh, I don't know that we invented cell phones here, but we build cell infrastructure and we invent and pioneer some of the first networks.
I believe the first network, it might be the first network with data, was the IDEN network.
And famously we got CDMA and everyone was super excited over the second generation of cell technology and the speed of communications.
And then I believe CDMA was, might have been CDMA Plus or something, was the first foray into 3G.
2G, we typically refer to a GSM as 2G.
And then CDMA was faster.
And you could start to get close to like, like 100 kilobits or something like this.
It was crazy.
When other countries started building their infrastructure, they skipped the CDMA technology and went straight for I believe it was called... GSM.
GSM was 2G.
phil labonte
After for international stuff?
tim pool
So the GSM standard was upgraded to HSPA plus.
HSPA and then HSPA plus.
So what happens is we build this technology and we're like look at this great new thing and it cost us hundreds of
millions of dollars.
Then a foreign country says we want to build cell phones here too.
So they go to the American firms and they say, what should we build?
We see that you guys have 3G and they go, no, no, no, no, don't build what we have.
It took 10 years to build this, the permitting, the contracts.
The new thing we're working on is HSP, high-speed packet access.
This is going to get you way better speeds, a megabit up and down on your phones.
Build this instead.
So we wonder why it is internet and cell phone is better in other countries, because they built it after us.
I believe for the most part we've dumped CDMA and now we have a global standard which is LTE.
What do they call it?
3G?
It's, yeah.
LTE and now 5G, which is, you know, but it's all, it's all basically built off of GSM now.
That's like the global standard, global standards, what that means.
But it's fascinating that we, we invent this high speed technology.
Very few countries actually adopted it.
So when I was in Ukraine, they were like, Oh, we're on CDMA.
And I'm like, that's so weird.
Cause every other country was on GSM.
And it mattered a lot if you're trying to do live streams in foreign countries.
unidentified
How fun.
tim pool
All right, anyway, enough nerd talk.
Let's read some more.
Roto-Rooter says, now we know why President Trump has a reputation for not paying his bills.
His underlings are all skimming the payments he tells them to make and then invoicing him for reimbursements plus a small fee.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah.
What is that?
Joseph says, so long CDMA.
Yeah, it's gone now, isn't it?
CDMA, I don't know that we use it anymore.
LTE came into play and everyone's like, oh man, my favorite was WiMAX.
unidentified
What's that?
tim pool
WiMAX was a short-lived 4G iteration that Sprint launched first, that they said, we have 4G first, fourth generation cell tech.
And you could tell them apart because on cell antennas, 3G uses long rectangle antennas, and WiMAX used drums.
I used to do all of this crazy cell tech stuff.
And then WiMAX just couldn't go anywhere.
Short range, crummy, nobody wanted it.
Sprint, oof, big mistake.
Yeah, now 5G is giving people all the conspiracy theories.
All right, Joe Hall says, Marine Corps vet here.
Marine Corps vet?
Maybe my mind might be messed up, but I always says liked Venture Lowe's.
Thoughts, Tim?
I don't know what you mean, sir.
Anybody understand?
hannah claire brimelow
It is a thought-provoking message.
What does he mean?
tim pool
What does he mean?
Sorry, man.
Don't know.
All right.
The Obscene Unicorn says, you missed the opportunity to call your fitness challenge in the Super Chat last night a call to arms.
Ha ha!
In the Super Chat last night?
Or Friday night?
It must be Friday night, huh?
Well, other people called it FitCast IRL.
I didn't make that up.
I just said, everybody should just get as fit as you can by November.
And that's the challenge.
Because people are always like, what can I do, you know?
And it's like, well, the first thing you can do, the easiest thing you can do, without even to think about it, is eat right, track your macros, and get fit, and get healthy.
So I always recommend MyFitnessPal because it'll tell you how much you should eat every day.
And that's the fascinating thing because you're like, there's a lot of people are like, I don't understand.
I eat and you know, I'm not losing weight and I don't know how much I'm supposed to eat or what I'm supposed to do.
It's like you download this app, you put in your age, your weight, what you want to weigh.
When you want to weigh it by.
And then it gives you a list of the food you need to eat every day.
It gives you a chart.
And then all you got to do is scan the barcode of the food and don't eat more than it tells you.
michael rectenwald
Does it pay for it too?
Because that's going to be necessary.
tim pool
Paying for the food?
michael rectenwald
Yeah, because people are unable to buy groceries these days.
tim pool
That's true.
But the good news is with shrinkflation, you'll be like, wow, I had three portions of this meal already?
I'm losing weight.
michael rectenwald
Yeah.
tim pool
Joe Biden diet.
Brian Egan says, Tim, why do you so often pick on Dubuque, Iowa?
We love you here.
I don't pick on Dubuque, Iowa.
I highlight Dubuque as the perfect example of quintessential America.
When we're not talking about West Coast potheads and New York Democrat failed policies, when we're talking about your average everyday red-blooded American, I bring up Dubuque, Iowa as your quintessentially middle American town.
It's the perfect, it's the perfect city for it.
I've been there a couple of times.
Have fun.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Sam Whiter says, shout out to my loving wife, Brittany, who was pregnant with our first child.
Even with all this chaos going on in the world, she is the brightest part of my life.
She is, they are, he says.
Did you guys see that Argentina Coca-Cola commercial?
Going super viral?
So I'm assuming it's new.
I'll describe it to you, but we'll play it on the after show, because wow, I can't believe you haven't seen it.
So it's a guy and a woman, and then she walks in the room and she holds him a pregnancy test,
and they're like, yay! And then they hug and kiss. And then it blinks, and then they're holding the
new baby, and they bought all the stuff, and they're smiling. And then it's like, scenes of
all of the frustrations. The kid pulls the tablecloth down, knocking all the groceries and
all the food on the floor. Then the guy like, opens one of his vinyl records, and it's covered in goop.
And then he's sitting in his living room trying to work, and the kid's kicking his head,
and he's got this look on his face as he's getting hit.
And then the wife walks in with a tray of food, puts it down, and looks at him with this look on her face, and holds up a pregnancy test.
And then he looks forward and starts going, aaah, yeah!
And then he runs up, and they both smile, and he hugs her.
And so for a split second, you think he's going to be frustrated with his kid, but then he's super excited!
that they're having another one and then it's like Coca-Cola is love is life or
whatever in Spanish. Wow. Yeah and everyone's praising this amazing
marketing from Coca-Cola that they did not put in the United States.
hannah claire brimelow
Well first of course they didn't put in the United States.
The United States doesn't cultivate a family that loves culture or a culture that loves family.
Right.
But it is interesting because this is – I mean I remember traveling in Turkey and I – at the time, one of my little sisters was very, very, very small, like stroller age, infant in lap kind of thing.
And everyone would come up to her and be like, oh, she's beautiful and it's just a – it's such a different attitude and I think that's really important for young people right now to know that like If you're surrounded by a community that's like, hey, having kids is good and we're excited for you and we'll be there with you, it's such a different attitude going into something that of course is challenging and frustrating and probably at times not super glamorous or fun, but ultimately like it is an important investment in your culture, in your life's future.
tim pool
That commercial is A++ from Coca-Cola and we should start a boycott campaign to demand they bring that commercial here.
It's like for a split second you think the guy is like, noooo, but he's actually super excited and happy that he's having another kid.
phil labonte
I don't imagine that that kind of commercial or advertisement is going to be in the United States anytime soon, especially considering the reaction.
tim pool
Then I'm going to make it.
phil labonte
Well then, there you go, Tim.
unidentified
For Coke.
No, no, no.
michael rectenwald
The reaction that Buckner got, right?
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
Okay, Casper.
phil labonte
There you go.
tim pool
Casper Coffee, if Coke does not make the commercial.
michael rectenwald
You're doing that.
phil labonte
Give him a time limit.
tim pool
We will make a very similar one.
For Casper coffee.
And then the baby will have coffee and we'll be drinking it.
And we'll be like, he was happy because now he can share coffee with his baby.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you could do something like that, because a lot of women don't drink coffee during pregnancy.
Like, the first cup of coffee she has after delivering their baby, you get the shot in the hospital where they're all happy, and he, like, brings her a cup of Casper coffee.
Adorable.
tim pool
Trevor Ritsky.
This is a really good point.
He says, honestly, it seems Michael Cohen was the one to sleep with Stormy Daniels.
He took a home equity loan to pay off a porn star specifically so his wife wouldn't know, and then he stole money from his employer in order to pay that loan back.
I gotta agree!
michael rectenwald
That's hilarious.
tim pool
And then she was like, I'll just say it was Trump.
And he's like, okay, well leave me out of it.
For real, that does actually make a lot more sense.
Like the story is weird.
It doesn't add up properly.
Yeah.
Well, there you go.
That's the real story, guys.
WG5 says, I'm one of the LP delegates from California.
Flying out tomorrow.
Can't wait for this weekend.
michael rectenwald
Yeah, thank you, man.
tim pool
Memorial Day weekend.
A great choice.
This weekend, it's going to be the craziest party ever.
michael rectenwald
It is going to be wild.
tim pool
How does it work with tickets?
michael rectenwald
Uh, there's different, uh, ticket packages, so, uh, there's, uh, there's press passage, of course, and you also have, uh, tickets to different events, like, uh, the different speakers, and, and so forth.
tim pool
I think, uh, I'm pretty sure Luke's gonna be there.
He'll be joining us.
michael rectenwald
Yes, Luke will be there.
tim pool
Yeah, Luke will be there joining us for the show.
unidentified
Uh, Clint will be there, of course.
tim pool
Yes, Clint will be there.
I, I, I mean, he's, he's running.
michael rectenwald
He's running.
hannah claire brimelow
Is he the only VP candidate?
michael rectenwald
Uh, there's, there are a couple others who seem not to be, rather nondescript.
Who knows who they are?
phil labonte
Just keep your clothes on, boys.
Keep your clothes on.
tim pool
So it seems like it's going to be the VP choice.
michael rectenwald
Uh, it looks good.
tim pool
All right.
Michael Malz, press secretary.
That's all that matters.
Yeah.
I think you can't miss this weekend.
I mean, I feel like everyone's going to be there.
Well, it's in D.C., so already all of the D.C.
politicos you know and love are probably going to show up.
Considering Trump said he was going to be there, tons of conservatives are going to be showing up.
It's going to be wild.
michael rectenwald
It's a real great opportunity for the party, too.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Excellent move.
michael rectenwald
They won't invite you to their party.
We'll invite them to ours.
There's two ways to skin a cat.
tim pool
All right, Aaron says, love the show, know you aren't a Christian, but how can you overlook over the 2,000 prophecies that have come to pass from the Bible?
Read Revelation, check out chapter 18, USA is Babylon, these things will happen, get your hearts and minds right.
Oh, there's more, and I forgot to add, serve Lord Jesus Christ.
There it was, the next super chat.
Um, because I've talked to tons of people, even on this show, and one of my favorite subjects, eschatology, and they all have different answers.
I mean, no one really knows.
So, you know, I don't know what to tell you.
I do think, we had this really great discussion on the Members Only show last week.
about the existence of God, and what I was saying is I think a lot of atheists conflate religion and God instead of the idea that God could exist outside of religion, and that religions just give sort of a quantified rule-set moral structure and, I guess, canon around their faith and their religion and why it exists.
Even if the Jews are wrong, or the Muslims are wrong, the Christians are wrong, or the Hellenistic Odinists are wrong, or whatever, God could still exist and everyone could be wrong.
All right, let's see if we can grab one more real quick.
Dom says Pearl is the other side of the Hasan Abi coin.
unidentified
I wouldn't know what that coin is.
tim pool
Oh, here's a good one.
unidentified
I gotta read this one.
Yes!
tim pool
We are all participants in a republicanist form of government, and that's why the actions of the modern few are different from what they represent.
is like calling college students Republicans, because they vote for representatives.
Yes, we are all participants in a republicanist form of government. And that's why the actions of
the modern few are different from what they represent, like what, like, this is my point.
The the the people who are these like college students, who actually go out and vote,
trying to burn the system down are still participating in a republicanist form of government.
That doesn't mean they're Republicans, right?
Just because they're voting.
But in the core sense of the moral philosophy and the government structure, yes, they are.
My point about Pearl is that she doesn't have, like Phil was saying, like, what is her actual position?
She says, I'm not telling anyone how to live.
I'm not telling you to live like me.
Here's what I think is wrong with the system.
And I'm like, okay, so this is, if you were a communist saying, I want to destroy the system and I'm going to vote in ways that destroy it.
It's like, okay, I get it.
If you said, I'm a conservative woman and I'm going to be hosting a show so I can burn it all to the ground and weaponize them against it.
I get it.
If you say, I don't have a position.
No one should live like me.
I'm just going to call these women.
I say, this is a feminist disposition criticizing hypocrisy and conservative, uh, Christian women, as well as many modern third and fourth wave feminists.
So it's a second wave, nondescript feminist, in practice, targeting the hypocrisies of modern feminism and the failures of conservative Christian women.
We're gonna go to the Members Only Call-In Show, so smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show if you really do like it because that's the most powerful way to help.
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Dr. Recktenwald, do you want to shout anything out?
michael rectenwald
Yes, so yes, this weekend, DC, the Libertarian Party Convention, come by, join us, and get involved with our thoughts, with our philosophy, get to know who we are.
And go to wrecktheregime.com, that's my website, R-E-C-T-H-E-R-E-G-I-M-E.com.
It's time to wreck the regime, let's go.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can check us out this summer on the Destroy All Enemies Tour with Megadeth and Mudvayne.
You can check out our new single, Divine, on Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, Deuzer.
I think it's called, you know, the internet.
Anyways, don't forget, the left lane is for crying.
hannah claire brimelow
What's the right lane for?
phil labonte
Travel.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, interesting.
phil labonte
Slower traffic, keep right.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimel.
I'm a writer for scnr.com at Scanner News.
I'm really grateful to be a part of that team.
Follow all of their work at TimCast News.
Give them all a follow.
They're great.
I'm hannahclaire.b on Instagram.
I'm hannahclaireb on Twitter and everywhere else.
And yeah, that's it.
Bye, Serge!
unidentified
See you later, Hannah-Claire.
See you, everybody.
Let's get out of here.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at timcast.com in about a minute.
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