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this may be one of the most shocking stories we've gotten in a long time it
It is huge news.
The FBI authorized the use of lethal force against Donald Trump and his security personnel at his property during the Mar-a-Lago raid.
And to make it worse, the FBI agents were instructed to be in unmarked clothing.
I feel like this was an attempt at violence, like they were trying to provoke Trump.
This raid was unnecessary.
We've seen with, say, the raid on Roger Stone at four in the morning, this excessive use of force.
I think they're intentionally trying to incite something.
Some have suggested this was a passive assassination attempt.
You do not need, ever, in any capacity, to authorize lethal force against a former president for any reason.
It just makes no sense.
And this is now coming out in Newsweek, Politico, the documents are being dropped all over Twitter, confirmed news, they did this.
This is insane.
We're going to talk about that.
Plus, in the Trump hush money trial, the defense has arrested after one day, and it was already nuts yesterday when the judge was like screaming, yelling at one of the witnesses.
This does not seem like a real trial.
And now, questions, of course, as to what is actually going to happen this November.
And I want to give a shout out to our good friend Bill Maher over at his show, because he called Joe Biden cadaver-like and Dracula on The View.
And so I can respect Bill Maher being wrong about a lot of things, but also at least recognizing the faults with Joe Biden.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Bradley Devlin.
bradley devlin
Hi guys, Bradley Devlin, political editor at the American Conservative.
Happy to be here on a great show and in a super awesome studio.
tim pool
It's new, it's big, it's great.
We're trying to solve the echo but the room's so much bigger than the last one.
You know, we're getting there.
bradley devlin
Most places get you out here, and then all of a sudden you're in like a tiny box for three hours.
No, this is great.
tim pool
Yeah, a lot of people were saying the last studio, I thought it was really small, and it was longer, but now this room is actually evened out and big, which gave us a little echo problem, but you know, we're there.
So thanks for hanging out, Bradley.
We got Phil hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
All That Remains?
My goodness.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Hello, Hannah Clare.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, Scanner News.
I'm really grateful to be part of that team.
Hi, Serge!
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Hello, Hannah-Claire.
bradley devlin
I'm Serge.
I'm ready to start when you are, Tim.
tim pool
Here we go.
From the post-millennial revealed, Biden's FBI authorized use of deadly force when necessary during a Mar-a-Lago raid. Law
enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary. It's a
direct quote from the documents. I'll back it up. We got Newsweek. FBI was prepared to use deadly
force at Mar-a-Lago raid. The reason why these two headlines are important and they are different is
that not only did they authorize the FBI to use lethal force, but they showed up with the
weapons ready and capable to do so.
And now we'll add one more on top. In this filing, this document released by Julie Kelly,
we can see in the document it says, law enforcement officers,
the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary.
The agents planned to bring standard issue weapons, ammo, handcuffs, and medium and large size bolt cutters, but they were instructed to wear unmarked polo or collared shirts and to keep law enforcement equipment concealed.
I'm going to tell you my opinions right away.
There is no competent human who does this without the expectation this could lead to death, to an active shootout between the Secret Service and unmarked law enforcement agents.
We all remember the story of... What was that woman's name?
I can't remember her name.
They claim that she was sleeping in her bed and she was shot by the cops.
bradley devlin
Breonna Taylor.
tim pool
There you go.
I knew it was Breonna, but I'm like, which Breonna was it?
Now they say that the police didn't announce themselves or whatever.
They say they did, regardless of the fact.
of that case.
I believe, you know, we've actually interviewed one of the cops involved and they did announce themselves.
They knocked and then, you know, the guy shot at them.
I'm only bringing this story up because the left's perspective on it was that she was sleeping in her bed and these cops didn't announce themselves and opened fire on her.
That means it is well established in the psyche of your liberals, of your Democrats, that police officers who show up to enforce the law but are not wearing identifiable outfits create the perception of a burglary or a robbery or an assault attack.
This had the potential, the high potential, in my opinion, to result in Trump security guards.
I was just at Mar-a-Lago, I'll tell you, and Secret Service.
Yeah.
Not being aware of what was going on and seeing a dude in plain clothes with a gun rushing onto the property.
You might be thinking like, hey, hey, who's this guy?
And the guy, we're lucky it did not escalate to this.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Many people on social media are already saying this was an assassination attempt.
Could you imagine if what could have happened if this went the way of what one of these stories we hear in the press where you know cops who don't identify themselves end up getting into shootouts?
I almost think that either these people are as stupid as stupid can be or they were crossing their fingers that they would get a news report of Trump security opens fire on FBI.
phil labonte
Do they think that Donald Trump is like Like Scarface?
Because you know that the only people that are going to be actually engaging with them, if there were to be a gunfight, it would be Secret Service.
It would be FBI versus Secret Service.
Because Donald Trump ain't going to be there with a machine gun, like, come and get me.
So the idea that it was like to... I don't understand why the Department of Justice would say, We're allowing you to get into a gunfight.
We're saying it's acceptable for you to get into a gunfight with the Secret Service.
Because, again, it's not Donald Trump.
tim pool
They could just call the Secret Service and say, we're going to have some, two FBI agents are going to come down and we're going to do a sweep.
And they would have been like, you got it.
Yeah, no questions asked.
bradley devlin
And one other thing, shout out Julie Kelly.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, absolutely.
bradley devlin
Her work has been invaluable on everything, whether it was 2020 election related or it was, you know, the Trump trials related.
I mean, she's been on fire with this stuff.
And that's, we were talking a little bit about it before the show, like, who do you think is there?
Oh, it's the Secret Service.
Right. We had heard reports in the past that Secret Service had coordinated with Trump and with the DOJ and with the
archives about this documents problem.
Now we need to know exactly what the Secret Service knew, because if the Secret Service didn't know anything, I mean...
hannah claire brimelow
I think these documents prove they didn't because there's a line in one of them, if I'm not, if I'm remembering
correctly, where it says, you know, if the U.S.
Secret Service resists, like, here's how to proceed.
They talk about the possibility that the Secret Service are not working with them.
Now, maybe that's to account for A potential agent who's like, hey, I don't believe in this, but really it seems like they were operating completely independently than this other government agency, and the only reason they would do that is to have the element of surprise.
Now, again, what are we expecting?
Donald Trump to be there, you know, armed and dangerous, ready to defend his territory?
That doesn't seem like it, however cool that visual might be to some people.
The reality is they treated him like a hostile mob member because that's how they perceive him.
They believe that he is incredibly dangerous and that he is, you know, capable of harming people in a crazy way, when in fact they are setting up a situation that could become incredibly dangerous quickly.
And like Tim is saying, this is a narrative that everyone on the left repeats all the time.
If you have a plainclothes officer who doesn't identify themselves, they actually, theoretically, in the minds of the left, create the dangerous situation.
Now why would you send all of these people in in unmarked polos?
What are we trying to accomplish here?
I think the defense will be from the other side of the aisle from the Biden administration.
Oh, well, you know, he's a former president.
So we didn't want to seem like we were just swarming Mar-a-Lago.
Except we all know, we all saw the videos.
This is exactly what they wanted it to seem like.
Because again, to them, Trump is a corrupt mod boss who they have the right to stand up against.
They're not based in reality.
They're based in their own delusion.
tim pool
Any sane operation against a former president, like they go to Joe Biden's house, they find documents.
Honest question.
Are they going to have in those in those warrants for the searching of Joe Biden's properties, use of lethal force?
I really doubt it.
I doubt it.
And if they do, wow, then we need to then then all the criticisms of the FBI are warranted.
The idea that they have to worry about a former president who's under Secret Service, they can't go to the Secret Service and say, OK, hey, guys, we're going to be I'm assuming they even inform the Secret Service, right?
There's no, there's no justification for the bringing of weapons and the use of deadly force in this capacity.
None whatsoever.
It could have only have resulted in something devastating to this country.
If it, if, I mean, they open the door to unmarked law enforcement showing up.
Let's say Trump's security at Mar-a-Lago had no idea.
And that with lack of communication, a fight breaks out.
Somebody gets shot, a shootout ensues.
What do you think would happen to this country if the news reports came out saying FBI and Trump security are in an active gunfight?
This would, it would, I don't know, what were they hoping for?
Like to escalate some kind of January 6th type scenario?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I assume that, I mean, maybe like you were saying, Hannah-Claire, maybe it's that they
were expecting or anticipating the possibility of Secret Service being loyal to Trump.
But even still, it just seems so ridiculous.
hannah claire brimelow
And they could have told them then, right?
If they thought he was loyal to Trump, they should have informed them ahead of time to, again, prevent any kind of violence.
phil labonte
Yeah, I just, I feel like they, I feel like this all would have been just simply an interagency phone call.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Hey, we're, you know, these things are, you know, we're going to come and get these things.
They may have done that.
tim pool
Because blah, blah, blah.
Maybe.
I don't know.
bradley devlin
How much did the president know?
You have two portions of the executive branch potentially getting to a shootout with one another in this situation.
Merrick Garland has to contact the big guy, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Presumably.
bradley devlin
Presumably.
So what does the president know about this situation?
Sounds like Republicans in Congress might have some interest in subpoenaing No, Republicans in Congress are stupid and terrible.
hannah claire brimelow
They should ask for answers for sure.
But the other part of this is that we know that the Biden administration is somewhat dysfunctional.
I mean, how could the defense secretary go missing for like a week and not tell anyone unless it's normal for people to go offline and not tell Biden what's going on?
Either way, this doesn't paint a good picture for the Biden administration.
And there are parts of it where I want to say, like, I saw some reports, you know, pointing out that there was a medic on scene, that part of the filing points out, like, if anything happens, you'll go to this hospital.
And if we're giving them benefit of the doubt, let's say that's just standard protocol.
If you're going to authorize this type of force, then you have to have a plan for this kind of thing.
But The fact that this was just a conversation, everybody was like, well, obviously there's a chance that this kind of force could be necessary, is bizarre to me.
And again, I can't help but stress, I think this shows how deranged people are when it comes to Donald Trump.
And that puts a lot of people in danger.
It puts anyone who supports him into a level, it makes them vulnerable to a level of scrutiny that nobody else is.
That's beyond rationality.
tim pool
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
Thank you.
tim pool
It's a worrying headline, you know, and part of me is like, I know a lot of people are constantly concerned about what's going to happen this November.
There's a lot of people who live, it's really fascinating, if you say, if you report on a story like this and just show the document where they were showing up with standard issue weapons, ammo, and the preparation and authorization to use deadly force, There, people are going to get mad.
They're going to be like, this is crazy.
You shouldn't talk about this.
You're fanning the flames.
You're encouraging civil war.
If you don't talk about it, then you get people who are being like, why aren't you talking about the important issues?
It's just, people are going to get mad no matter what.
And the challenge, I suppose, is knowing when these stories are flash, when it's a flash in the pan, or are we really inching towards some kind of actual catastrophe?
I feel like You know, in the winter things get slow.
Things in the winter get abstract.
You hear a lot of words from politicians, and there's a lot of news related to the social goings-on.
And then in the summer things get physical, and you hear more news related to physical actions, riots, protests, etc.
But it does seem like a lot of people seem to forget over the winter months.
It's like, in the summer, it's like, this is crazy.
How can this country withstand this?
Oh man, 2024 is going to get nuts.
The news is going to be crazy.
Then winter comes and everyone's like, you know, things are kind of all right.
Springtime comes.
Everybody's going out and it's like, it's Friday night.
We're going to go to the bar and we're going to chill.
And the news gets a little dry.
And then everyone's like, why did anyone think things were bad in this country?
And then they're like, oh, here's a release of documents showing that they had authorized a deadly force against the former president.
And you're like, Oh, that's why.
unidentified
Yeah.
bradley devlin
You mentioned November.
I mean, this does seem like a gut check to the normies, especially the normies who hold out on Trump because they are afraid that the 45th president is constantly, always, and everywhere breaking every constitutional norm possible.
And then they make some argument about our democracy.
These documents prove that the Biden administration, the so-called adults that were
supposed to be in the room, right, the so-called return to normal, basically means effectively
that the Constitution is a dead letter, right? Because either the executive of this country
has been vested with the executive power and powers and duties that correspond with it or not.
And very clearly, the government is operating off of the assumption that the president has no
authority whatsoever.
So, like, if you actually do want to reinstall a semblance of constitutional order, maybe, just maybe, you give another guy a chance.
And, you know, we saw that in the last six months of the Trump administration, where they tried to throw it out against him.
Remember when Mark Milley contacted his Chinese counterpart and said, I'd give you a heads up if we're going to attack?
Like, at least Trump fought tooth and nail.
He wasn't always successful.
He didn't always have the personnel to best help him do it.
But at least he, like, has a gut instinct for, I am the president of the United States and therefore preside over the executive branch.
And that actually is, you know, regardless of any law degree that Biden may or may not have gotten, like, that seems more constitutional than any sort of constitutionalism that Biden and his administration is putting forward at the moment.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to the next big breaking story as it pertains to Donald Trump.
The hush money trials entered its new phase after the defense rests without testimony from the former president.
I can't say I'm very surprised, but the Trump defense team had half a day.
Was it half a day of defense?
That was it?
hannah claire brimelow
They called two witnesses, that was it.
tim pool
Yeah, and the judge lost his mind.
So the big story here, which we didn't really talk about too much yesterday, But I think actually is, um... Well, it's, it's, it's a bit shocking.
Are you staring me down?
Furious judge clears courtroom after Trump defense witness sighs and rolls eyes.
You know what I think?
Okay, so here's the story real quick.
They called Robert Costello, who completely obliterated the prosecution's case.
Former lawyer, or legal advisor, depending on the reports, they, you know, some reports say he was a lawyer.
For Cohen, saying Cohen had nothing, Cohen said he would lie, Cohen did this of his own volition, and what we learned from this is that if the defense is telling the truth, Cohen stole around a quarter of a million dollars in the Trump Organization without Trump knowing.
The reimbursement for Stormy Daniels, Trump didn't know about.
The $30K he stole and pocketed from the money that was supposed to go to Red Finch, Trump didn't know about.
The tax reimbursement, they didn't know about.
The tax reimbursement also shows that they thought they were just paying Cohen for his labor.
Here's your labor plus additional for any tax liability that you may incur due to, you know, taking care of these things or paying for services.
And they had no idea.
Now that's if the defense is telling the truth.
When Costello comes in to testify, the judge basically refuses to allow him.
Which is crazy considering they let Stormy Daniels effectively accuse Trump of raping her, but then Costello comes up and says, I was his lawyer, here's what happened, and they're just like, shut your mouth.
The judge actually yells at him, Like, it is unheard of.
All these political commentators and pundits on TV are like, a judge yelling at a witness?
This is crazy!
Clearly, what I see is Judge Murshan, he's on the side of the prosecution.
No question.
This is not a real trial.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but Murshan was appointed for this?
It wasn't through the traditional judicial process?
I can't remember off the top of my mind.
bradley devlin
I might be getting my wires crossed here, but I know that Judge McAfee in Georgia presiding over the Fulton County case, he was appointed, and this is his first time going up for re-election.
tim pool
So this is it.
The Trump team has rested.
They've rested their case.
And now what's going to happen is I think the judge says he's going to give instructions to the jury on Thursday.
And then they're going to reconvene on Tuesday for closing arguments.
I could be wrong because initially they said they would reconvene next week.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they're going to reconvene on the 28th.
So what the judge said was because we have Memorial Day coming up on Monday, we're going and the defense is rested.
Rather than have, you know, start summations now and have it get interrupted by the end of the court day, we're going to wait.
You guys are going to come back.
You're going to hear from both the defense and the prosecution back to back.
I'll give you your instructions for the day that we think it'll take about an hour.
And he says basically he doesn't think they'll start deliberating until the 29th, which is Wednesday.
And he's saying it's to prevent a long gap between, you know, the end of summations and deliberations, which makes sense.
Initially, when I was reading it, I was sort of like, but you are creating kind of a long gap here.
I guess we can't avoid it because tomorrow's Wednesday.
They're typically off on Wednesdays.
You know, hypothetically, they could have summations on Thursday and start deliberations on Friday, but I guess that's not how he wants to handle it.
You know, this whole case is really interesting to me Because so much of it just completely rested on the shoulders of Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen who's been convicted of lying under oath and of campaign finance and tax evasion.
So he's got a background of financial crime and he's been convicted of lying and unsurprisingly yesterday he was once again like yes I am a thief and a liar and This is what the New York state had.
There are other reports that talk about the fact that this case has come up and different people, including Allen Bragg's office, had been like, well, we're not going to take it.
We're not going to take it.
They didn't take it until the end when there were all these other cases up against Trump.
And I think that's because it's obviously not a great position to be in.
I just don't know that Michael Cohen is the compelling link that they needed him to be to make this work.
phil labonte
I don't think that, well I mean, I don't think Michael Cohen is a compelling link to make it work.
I think that's probably...
Pretty clear.
I don't think that they ever had a strong case in the first place.
And I think that that's kind of the situation with all of the cases.
We were talking before the show started about just the overall situation as to how all of the legal stuff is panning out against Trump.
None of it is going the way that any of the Democrats would have expected, I think.
And I think that if they look back now and they look back and they're like, these probably should not have happened, we shouldn't have gone Gone through with all of the, all of this legal, um, all of the, the, the lawfare because it's not, it's not working out.
And these, the results are generally making people sympathetic to Trump.
bradley devlin
One thing that was particularly revealing about Costello's testimony to Congress, when Cohen was on the stand, Costello was on Capitol Hill talking to the Weaponization Subcommittee in a hearing about lawfare, and basically explaining that lawfare isn't always the court cases that end up on the docket.
It's not always front-page news.
It's dangling a judgeship here or a pardon here in that smoke-filled room, right?
All of those really funny tropes about what politics actually is.
And Costello and his fellow witnesses kind of pointed out like, yeah, to a certain extent, that's true.
And so for me, right, I'm looking at this, regardless of how it pans out, because I think you and I agree, like, no one can actually read the tea leaves at this point on what damage this is doing to Trump and the damage it's actually doing to Biden's reputation.
But one thing is abundantly clear, and that's the Democrats view the process as the punishment.
I heard this funny comment today that was like, what's the one thing Ed Snowden, Assange, and Trump have in common?
Not just a broad meta-narrative, but a very concrete thing.
It's like all three of them charged with the Espionage Act.
Right?
Like, you think Snowden and Julian Assange, like, oh, that tracks, you know, both smuggling state secrets or whatever, you know?
Of course not, actually.
But Trump, with the documents case, charged with the Espionage Act.
And so all that is to say, like, the state has been so clear in punishing those two men, Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, through a process, right?
You see the Assange update earlier this week.
It's the same exact way for Trump.
And it's the same exact way for The attorneys that were in Trump's camp that were making, I think, pretty common sense legal arguments about the 2020 election and about possible improprieties and where the president's role is in correcting that, right?
And the president's authority to interpret the Constitution for himself?
Yes!
Like, legislators and the executive and the Supreme Court all have the authority to interpret the Constitution.
How else are we going to make laws or policies in this country if all three branches of government don't do that?
But, you know, all that is to say is that those lawyers involved in the Trump case, like The point was to punish the lawyers through the process, know that maybe they're not going to get convictions against them, and also to scare off any sort of legal help that Trump could give in the future.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, and it's to damage their reputations.
Exactly.
Because I think you're right.
So much of this is about, just like for Trump, the punishment being the process, meaning he's not on the campaign trail.
And then we heard this over and over again.
Well, Donald Trump, you know, Joe Biden's out campaigning for stuff and Donald Trump's in a courtroom.
Because you guys put him there and I think Trump did a pretty good job or at least his campaign did of being like, well, then we're going to use make New York the center of this whole thing.
We're going to be at fire stations.
We're going to hold rallies more locally to kind of combat that but ultimately.
I don't know that the effect of sort of demonizing anyone who is tangentially related to Donald Trump, either directly or just through someone through a legal case or whatever, had the intended effect for voters.
I think ultimately people are starting to feel fatigued, and I think a lot of people are more fearful of the government than Democrats really realize, and seeing the weight of having So many governments, state and federal, come after you is actually something I think that makes Donald Trump sympathetic to the voter because they couldn't handle it, right?
They don't have the financial resources or the influence that Donald Trump has.
If the government did this to you, you would be in a worse off position.
And so they don't want this kind of thing to be playing out over and over again.
tim pool
I mean, it's weird when you've got even Bill Maher being like, yeah, Biden's a cadaver, this is it.
USA Today runs an op-ed from some guy being like, yeah, Biden's got to drop out.
There's no reality in which any sane person thinks Biden's an actual viable candidate.
So once again, the only thing they have is orange man bad.
Only at this point, inflation is so apocalyptic.
If you are a new voter, if you're a Gen Z voter, and you were 18 in 2019, You have felt the sting of Biden's economic policies more than most people.
I'm 38.
It's been four years, and we've seen prices go up.
I only get Taco Bell every so often, but yeah, those prices have gone up.
It's kind of surprising.
So I've seen economic changes.
I've been almost 40 years now.
But if you're 22, This is your adult life.
You're 18.
You're now looking for some part-time work.
Maybe you had part-time work when you were young.
But I mean, like, now you're 18.
You're an adult.
You got more responsibility.
You gotta start paying the bills.
And you see a dollar cheeseburger.
Four years later, that same cheeseburger, on average, is now somewhere around four bucks.
So it's like your money is being cut in half, you know, every other year or so.
I mean, so this is, yeah, your money halves every two years.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you see that thing that McDonald's is rolling out the $5 menu, but it has to be subsidized by Coke because they just can't keep prices?
Wait, subsidized by, like, so Coke is... So they're partnering with Coke and Coke is kicking in several million dollars so they can offer for one month, like, $5 meals, right?
Like, you can get a McChicken or a burger or whatever else for $5.
But actually, like, they can't actually offer to you for $5 because inflation is so high.
phil labonte
Okay, so first of all, the market provides.
Second of all, that's insane that the market has to do that.
That the average meal from McDonald's is over $5 now.
I mean, obviously it's about the value of the currency, and it's because of all the printing of money.
And I'm going to do it again.
Here we go.
Like, over a hundred trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities.
A trillion dollars every hundred days.
Remember, a trillion seconds ago was 30,000 years before Christ.
Like, these numbers are absolutely beyond human comprehension.
Like, most people don't understand it.
And unless they do something about the unfunded liabilities, unless they do something about Medicare and Medicaid, they're going to blow up the dollar.
It is absolutely, there is no question that it will happen.
hannah claire brimelow
I hope that Phil says unfunded liabilities is on the official Tim Cass bingo card now.
phil labonte
It could be either, you know, it could be, uh, it's unfunded liabilities or, uh, not discretionary spending is the stuff that they can, mandatory spending, unfunded liabilities or mandatory spending, same stuff.
unidentified
Okay.
hannah claire brimelow
You make the bingo card.
That's what Phil wants.
tim pool
We have this, uh, we have this image that's been going around.
It's been going viral on X and I posted it with a holy ish.
I knew Bidenflation was bad, but I didn't realize how bad.
And you can see McDonald's price increases.
Now they've chosen some select locations, but it's Chick-fil-A's website, it's Taco Bell's website, and then they use the McDonald's app for the LA Figueroa Street location for their sources.
In 2019, a medium french fry was $1.79.
Now it's $4.19.
A McChicken was $1.29, now it's $3.89.
Yo, I got news for everybody, right?
When I order a McChicken, which I don't these days, but when I did, it's because I did not have money.
And if I'm going to eat anything like a McChicken, it's because I don't have money.
But if I have $4, I certainly don't want to eat a McChicken.
Now that it's four bucks, it's like they're trying to make it, that's crazy.
A Big Mac was $3.99, now it's $7.49.
10 McNuggets was $4.49, it's $7.58.
A cheeseburger was a buck, now it's $3.15.
Now a lot of people have said, well yeah, but you're talking about L.A., you know, L.A.' 's expensive or whatever.
It's like, okay, how about the Taco Bell website?
How about the Chick-fil-A website?
This is their website.
Look at this.
A beefy burrito.
$1.69.
Now it's $3.69.
Two bucks on top.
In only a couple of years.
Yeah.
So we're talking end of 19, so we're talking four and a half years.
You're 18, and you have a part-time job.
You're trying to go to college.
You're buying your beefy five-layer burrito for lunch because you're broke.
And now, you've not gotten a raise.
Every four years, maybe what?
You're making an extra buck an hour, a couple bucks an hour?
But now it's two bucks more per burrito.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Are you making that much more per hour?
Has your income gone off enough to afford this?
phil labonte
There's a great point in there that needs to be pinpointed on.
When you have low interest rates like we've had for literally the past decade, interest rates at zero, what that does is it means that people that have good credit, that have money, they get the money first.
and then it filters through the economy. They get the money when there's no inflation. They got the money five years
ago, four years ago, three years ago, before the inflation really hit
and then they went and they bought assets, sometimes they spent the money, blah blah blah
but as the money filters into the economy and then the inflation comes
because what inflation is is too much money chasing after too
few products or too few services.
Once the money gets to the average person, that's when the prices rise.
So you guys have to pay more money for the prices, but your paycheck hasn't gone up yet.
Actual increase in The decrease in the dollar amount hasn't hasn't gotten to you yet.
So your money you don't get more money yet You just have to sit there with less valuable dollars.
So the people that actually have money your your Banks and wealthy people, they get the money when it's cheap, and they take the loans out when it's cheap, and then the cost gets put onto the poor people.
So that's why it's such a massive screwing for the average person when you print money and just give it away, because it goes to the people that don't need it first, and then by the time money actually starts affecting the money supply and inflation happens, the average person is screwed.
bradley devlin
Yeah, when you're working down the socioeconomic ladder, the that excess capital in the American economy is getting
caught up by wealthy people and not put into consumables.
Right.
So so you end up with increased prices as soon as that capital actually hits the
consumables.
Also wages are just stickier.
Right.
This is human interactions.
This is bosses and employees.
Boss doesn't want to give you a raise.
Employees want a raise.
phil labonte
And as the costs go for the boss go up.
The last thing the boss wants to do is give the employees a raise.
Exactly because their their their margins are getting tighter.
bradley devlin
So your products.
increase in price faster than the wages can. And one thing that I find is really disgusting
from places like the Wall Street Journal editorial board or things like that is that, well, you know,
phil labonte
if you actually went to college, and I'm gonna... I hate them so much.
bradley devlin
When you actually, if you went to college in the late Trump years to early Biden years,
you're a debtor. And so be thankful that you took out those massive student loans while your interest
rates were low because technically like it's not doesn't work it's not worth as much as it used to
tim pool
Yeah, your debt's devalued, too.
phil labonte
That's true, though.
It's true.
It is true.
bradley devlin
But your debt's devalued.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not a great defense, you know?
I don't think anyone's going to find this super appealing.
tim pool
But the issue is stagflation.
If wages were going up, then it would matter.
phil labonte
Exactly.
bradley devlin
That's right.
Your ability to pay back that debt is based on what?
phil labonte
Your wages, yeah.
bradley devlin
Your wages and your ability to earn a living and provide for your family and then pay that debt back, right?
Yeah, sure, it might be good.
It might devalue your debt, but at the same time, your entire lifestyle is just getting absolutely destroyed.
phil labonte
The only people that made out in that is people that got a low-interest home loan right before the inflation and stuff went.
If you got a 3% mortgage Yeah, I saw a lot of videos of people being like, we thought this was our starter home, but now it's our forever home because our interest rate is so low.
hannah claire brimelow
You know, I think higher education is a really interesting issue, and I think that the Biden administration is really going to struggle to deal with it during the campaign.
We talk about this a lot, or I bring it up a lot, like Biden keeps saying, oh, I've forgiven all these student loans, but tons are tied up in court.
phil labonte
That's inflationary.
hannah claire brimelow
And also, he hasn't stopped issuing federal student loans.
And in fact, so there are tons of, I was just reading this report about how many students are thinking that they're not going to enroll in college because the FAFSA roll, the free application for federal student loans, got so messed up.
The fact that there were so many students who don't know what kind of aid they're being offered, or they had to get secondary letters that were like, actually, we offered you an incorrect amount.
I mean, The very small area that Biden thought that he would really just like carry and beat Trump, you know, people interested in going to college and who are willing to take out these loans, they haven't done anyone any favors.
And it continues to be this message to, I think, young Americans that, you know, you are trying very hard to establish yourselves and potentially start on a strong financial foot.
And no matter which way you turn, you cannot do that right now.
And I just don't think that brings voters to the polls.
bradley devlin
The other incentive that the state and institutions of higher education, colleges, universities, what they actually end up subsidizing is more immigration.
Because at the end of the day, who's actually making sure that the research universities can continue what they do?
It's foreigners.
hannah claire brimelow
You think of like the- Well, it could be Americans, but they allow you to bring in
other people.
bradley devlin
You think of like the archetypical rich Saudi prince who finds his way to Harvard, right?
That guy's paying an arm and a leg to go to Harvard.
Meanwhile, you have all sorts of discounts, all sorts of scholarships, all sorts of students not
actually paying full price for tuition, and the institution basically contracting with the government
to get that funding over a longer period of time. And then if the state decides to forgive
the loans of the students and continue to pay it out over time, it only incentivizes more and more
foreign students coming into our universities and paying an arm and a leg, which like
ultimately, like I saw it on my college campus, like-
It crowds out a lot of people from a public university system where I grew up in the state of California when, like, technically their parents have been paying for that, you know, institution of education their entire lives through California taxes, and now they don't have access to it.
Because, sorry, it's like financially infeasible for them to actually have Californians go to a Californian public school.
tim pool
Imagine what Social Security is going to be like!
bradley devlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh yeah, that'll be fun.
phil labonte
It's a train wreck.
It's going to be a massive mess.
tim pool
And this is why, it's one of the reasons why they're flooding the country with non-citizens.
They are desperate to create a labor force that will support the elderly who don't have families and rely on social security.
phil labonte
I mean, yeah, I think there's truth to that, but I think that If that's their plan, it's a very, very bad, bad plan that's not going to—it's too little, too late.
tim pool
It's burning the country down to save the country that's on fire.
phil labonte
It's horrible.
It's a terrible, terrible idea.
bradley devlin
They admitted that at like a Davos panel, right?
Is that what you're talking about?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm speaking generally that they need a labor force because you've got older people who don't have families.
You've got older people who no longer rely on families and their children at all, and they're getting Social Security.
When Social Security stops, it doesn't matter how much money you print.
They could just print the money and say, we will pull the debt.
And then there's not enough young people producing resources for the elderly.
So it's just it's it's that means the system stops instantly overnight.
phil labonte
There's a lot of people that are that are currently banking on like AI and automation robots and they're they're they're saying or they're they're even if they aren't saying they're planning on or behaving as if they're planning on super productivity because of automation because of robots, because of AI and stuff. The
unidentified
answer to the production problems is automation. So our answers are immigration, so people who
hannah claire brimelow
are not encouraging native people to have children, or technology. Like this is a bleak future
here. I don't like this at all.
unidentified
We've sterilized you. Oh, as it turns out, we told you to hate having a family, and we brought in
hannah claire brimelow
people that weren't a part of our culture, and they occupy our land, and also maybe technology
It's like, this is doomsday scenario.
phil labonte
My analysis is not an endorsement.
I'm just saying.
unidentified
No, I don't think it is.
phil labonte
I am just saying.
I mean, that's what it is.
The argument they've made is, you know, bringing people in because they are jobs that the people that live there, currently live here, don't want to do or whatever, and then they're, oh, well, you know, we don't have enough people being born, so we have to have people come into the U.S.
hannah claire brimelow
It's funny how immigration's their answer for everything.
phil labonte
I mean, it really is.
It's almost like it's on purpose.
bradley devlin
I don't want to derail or go down the rabbit hole a little too far, but we talked about this underclass or we talked about tech services, AI filling the gap.
What do you think that looks like in a country that has decided it's no longer going to reproduce and that it's just going to rely on this permanent underclass of migrants?
tim pool
It just ceases to exist.
Yeah.
It's like the movie Elysium.
bradley devlin
That's a great flick.
tim pool
It's a little on the nose, I guess.
The earth is overcrowded, and everyone speaks Spanish, and the rich people live in a floating space station, and they all speak French, and they have machines that can cure any disease, but they've simply decided not to give it to people for no reason.
Like, yeah, that's not the reality, but that's the leftist worldview is, they have the cure for all diseases, they just simply don't want you to have it.
And it's like, okay, yeah, that's not the case.
It's certainly the case to a certain degree that Big Pharma has an incentive on treating symptoms and not diseases.
But in this movie, they literally had machines that cured cancer, and they're like, but we won't let you use it for no reason.
And then the Liberators come, invade the space, steal everything, reprogram it, and strip them of their wealth and access, and then send all of these med booths down to Earth so that everyone can be cured of their diseases.
And then what they don't show you is Elysium 2, and everyone's dead.
So basically what happens is, if the United States continues to function this way, with fewer and fewer people of merit and production and who hold the values which made the country what it is, you will end up with an enclave.
A small group of people who maintain the traditional values of the United States, believe in meritocracy, are wealthy and successful, and they start building barriers around themselves as they're surrounded by more and more people who do not have the merit and the capability to build a nation.
And then, finally, after a certain amount of time, the dam breaks.
The 92% of lower-merit individuals who are not part of the culture and don't have the same education destroy what little wealth and access there was, and then you'll end up in a country where you've got mass rapes and farmers being killed and things like this and displaced and weird hokey views about AIDS being a curse and things like that.
phil labonte
And none of this takes into account what happens to what the rest of the world does or what other near-peer powers do without the United States having the economic powerhouse behind it that it has had historically.
Because the idea that China doesn't do anything or the idea that Russia doesn't do anything in response to the United States having an economic crisis, that's something that I think people Don't take into account when they talk about repercussions of like the dollar crashing or whatever kind of big civil strife or whatever issue you want to you want to use your favorite doomsday scenario in the US people talk about that kind of stuff and they always leave out what the rest of the world does the United States is such a it's such
It's so important in the world that everything that happens to the United States actually happens to the whole world.
So you don't get things that just happen to the United States.
They happen to the world.
So if the United States stops being like the global hegemon for whether you think it's good or bad, if it does, that means there are going to be massive reverberations throughout every country on earth, and it's going to change the way that the world behaves.
And we have no idea what that means.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you have any predictions on the economic ripple effect there?
bradley devlin
I mean, something that I keep an eye on frequently is just how badly we are treating
the global south in terms of, like, the developing economies of the global south, right?
We have decided that we are going to sanction anyone who we decide to up the wazoo.
Sanctions don't really work anyway.
Sanctions are an act of war.
Exactly.
And it doesn't actually lead to the behavior changes that we want to see.
And so we just keep doing it.
And we decide that we're going to incentivize completely parallel political and financial institutions
and systems that are dominated by what country? Of course, China. So I mean
I don't have any predictions on what that actually means long-term for the
United States. I think I think there was more of an expectation.
I thought China would do better post-COVID than it has.
Maybe it's because of their commitment to COVID zero.
phil labonte
Economically, you mean?
bradley devlin
Yeah, yeah.
I thought they were going to rebound quicker than that, and I've had some scholars tell me that China isn't doing as well as you think it is, but nevertheless, don't empower them when they're showing demographic decline when they're showing economic slowdown by basically incentivizing the entire global south to partner with China, whether it's the Belt and Road Initiative or other types of financial arrangements to skirt around Western sanctions.
phil labonte
I imagine any time China can export young men to work, like if they can send them to other countries to work, that's a good thing for China because they have so many young men that, because of the one-child policy, They have an excess of young men, which is one of the things that I've heard people that, you know, people that are experts on international conflict and stuff, one of the things they say is if you've got too many young men, you're headed to war.
Because one of the things historically that's taken care of young men when there aren't women is send them off to war.
Because if you don't do something with your young men and they don't have families, they might overthrow the country.
Like they might just cause a riot.
They might tear your whole country down.
bradley devlin
This was the Sparta problem.
Aristotle talks about this in the Politics, where Sparta knew how to wage war, they had policies enacted to favor male childbirth, and then when they finally got to a position where they could make peace, they had no idea how to do it.
hannah claire brimelow
So what do you think's going to happen to the U.S.
in the next year?
What do you think's the biggest concern for people or for American politicians right now?
Is it geopolitical or is it domestic issues?
bradley devlin
I think it's geopolitical, just simply because I think the Republican Party demonstrated with the $95 billion supplemental that they actually care about wars in the Middle East and in Eastern Europe more than they care about the border.
Like, so if the Republican Party and the establishment is going to be so singularly focused on these two issues, then I, you know, it's a powder keg ready to explode.
I wish I could say, like, immigration will be The issue that like galvanizes and draws the most attention, um, and then we can actually solve the issue.
But I, you know, just the prospect of World War III, it just feels like he's lurking around every corner.
phil labonte
I feel like it would have been the big issue, like immigration would have been the big issue had it not been for October 7th.
I feel like last year and last summer, this time, everybody was so very focused on the border.
Everyone was so focused on what was going on.
hannah claire brimelow
I think immigration is still a big issue, even though we had October 7th.
tim pool
It's still one of the biggest issues among voters and Israel doesn't even rank in the top 10.
bradley devlin
Right.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to the story from Christopher Rufo, who has this Harvard-Harris Caps poll.
The pro-Hamas faction is a disaster for the left.
The campus protesters, Palestinian Authority, Antifa, and Hamas are four out of the five least popular institutions in a recent Harvard-Harris poll.
Take a look at this.
Favorability of institutions.
I love that Antifa is considered an institution.
phil labonte
An institution.
bradley devlin
No, no, it's just an ideology, they told us.
phil labonte
Literally, they're considered terrorists.
tim pool
Antifa is below China.
The Palestinian Authority is above China.
I love this.
Take a look at this.
The U.S.
military, very favorable.
I mean, you're talking 83% favorability with 42% very favorable.
Very few people are upset with the U.S.
military.
Police!
Look at this one!
75% favorability!
Only 20% unfavorable.
The FBI actually enjoys 56% favorability.
That's actually quite amazing.
But you go down, Ukraine and Israel, very favorable.
unidentified
U.S.
tim pool
Supreme Court, DOJ, even Fox News!
phil labonte
Yeah, like, Fox News.
unidentified
Wow!
phil labonte
There's a lot of people on Twitter that think that, like, Israel's, like, really unpopular and that, like, oh, the Israel's gonna be the thing that's gonna mess, you know, gonna, we're gonna stop supporting Israel, the U.S.
is gonna blah blah blah.
You're wrong!
Like, whether, you can, you may feel that way, and you're completely justified in having your opinions, but it is not unpopular.
The U.S.
still generally looks at Israel and says, they're allies, and we should support them.
tim pool
Look at MSNBC, this one's hilarious.
phil labonte
That's awesome.
tim pool
MSNBC, deeply unfavorable.
Way down the bottom.
MAGA Republicans are above MSNBC.
That's all you need to know.
bradley devlin
Take that, Rachel Maddow.
tim pool
Campus protesters are just above the Palestinian Authority in terms of unfavorability.
Then China, Antifa, and Hamas.
I don't know how Joe Biden is able to recover from this.
The Democratic Party is divided.
The general population despises Hamas, Antifa, and China.
The campus protesters are deeply despised And Joe Biden's trying to court them.
He's going to colleges and giving these speeches.
He's trying to win them over.
He is basically telling the majority, I don't care about you.
I care about this fringe minority of weirdos.
phil labonte
Four or five years of ACAB, the police still generally have a favorable opinion by the people.
tim pool
Because it's all fake.
phil labonte
Yeah, it really is.
It's all internet stuff.
Like, Twitter's not real life as much as, you know, it's fun.
tim pool
Uh, buh buh buh buh.
Older people who are not on social media and are still watching cable news are a part of these polls and they vote.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But I'm willing to bet when your average 35 year old is 70, These polls are going to look nuts.
The older generation right now that is not on social media, so we're talking Gen Xers who are not as active on social media as Millennials and then Gen Z. Still active though.
Boomers who are not nearly as active, and if they are, they're on Facebook pages where they're sharing, you know, these silly memes where like a pig has wings and it's like he goes, like, they're just silly things.
There's like, I see, I see weird Facebook memes that they get shared by a lot of boomers, where it's like Jesus holding a pig and it's just like, no but for real.
hannah claire brimelow
Boomers have their own memes, crazy.
unidentified
They do.
tim pool
And it's just like in all caps saying, you know, pray and pray and he will save and like, they're really, like they use all caps a lot.
When the older generations that don't use the internet as much are gone, you will see the police numbers change.
So if you're looking at Silent Generation, Boomers, Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z, and you ask them about police, yeah, you're gonna get 75% favorability.
Silent Generation and Boomers, pass on.
And then you've got Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, and what, I don't even know what's after Alpha.
But that's, you then ask them.
Millennials are split probably 50-50.
I bet if you look at the crosstabs on this and look at, you know, age brackets, you know, how did 18 to 29 year olds say to talk on police?
I bet it's gonna be like 60-40 or 50-50.
This means when the older crowd is gone, the weight changes and it will more reflect what you see on social media.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I kind of assumed one of, and I could be totally off on this, but one of the reasons that military and police are high, even though there are lots of, you know, anti-war people, people who are skeptical of law enforcement, the state, things like that, was because people are more likely to know someone who served in the military or is a law enforcement officer.
So there's a level of like, Well, I don't like that group, but the guy that I know is pretty good.
There's sort of a level of forgiveness that other things don't have.
But police recruitment, from what I know nationally, is very low.
And so as generations grow up, there are fewer people.
I mean, military recruitment is extremely low.
They miss their targets all the time.
So we're going to have fewer of that positive association on a personal level that maybe people use to balance out bigger issues.
tim pool
This is what I think people don't understand, right?
They see polls like this, they see economic numbers, and they're like, the internet is not real life.
Like, Twitter is not real life, or X, now it's officially x.com.
And what they don't understand is that it's technically true in that it is not the universal perspective in this country or on the planet.
And it is because different generations consume media in different ways.
But when you go on X and you see that there is a 50, like, there's no way Hasan Piker is ever going to say, yay, go cops.
Well, unless, of course, they're arresting, like, Sam Hyde or something, right?
I mean, literally, like, the moment the cops go after the enemy, the left, they cheer for it.
But Hassan's never gonna go on his show to however many viewers he still has.
I don't know, he used to have like 40K.
There's never a circumstance where he's gonna be like, hey look, I think just generally speaking, cops are very good and I heavily favor them 75% of the time.
Never gonna happen, his audience would be in revolt.
We then go, ah, but the internet's not real life.
Only because his audience is comprised of like 24 year olds.
22, well actually I think they were like 18 to 22.
And that's many of the left that are young.
On a show like this, majority of the people who are watching are like, I think it's 33.
And then we have a recent uptick among younger, uh, 18 to 24, I think.
Gen Z getting the shaft is really starting to light a fire under them.
And then we do have a lot of people who watch who are, uh, you know, who are older for sure.
But the majority skews towards the 30s.
So when you're looking at the comments and opinions on this show, there's a lot of people being like, ah, Tim has no idea what he's talking about because he's not talking about what I see.
There's a lot of people who like to post online and they say things like, actually I saw this on, I think it was on Gutfeld, Bill Maher was on Gutfeld.
It was pretty amazing.
He's trying to sell a book, so he's going everywhere.
And I think it was, what's her name, Perino?
I can't remember the name.
Dana Perino.
And she was saying, I love this talking point because it's just so naive and ignorant.
But she's like, you know, everybody thinks that there's this big divide, but you really, you go outside and you see it's not really there.
It's, you know, people are getting along.
And it's like, ma'am, You live in a neighborhood where everybody lives in a similar standard in a similar way.
So if you're in the suburbs of Chicago in St.
Charles and you go outside, you're like, hey, nobody's fighting.
It looks like all that stuff on TV and the internet.
It's not real because I go to my grocery store and nobody seems to be upset.
Yes, because you live in a block that is, for the most part, more politically homogenous.
But if you, I tell you, you leave that place and go to Portland, you're going to be like, did I just enter a war zone?
In a completely different world.
That's the remarkable thing that people think.
I could walk outside my house and all of a sudden everyone's getting along.
It's like, well, yeah.
You live in a place that has common political views.
But you online, in say like New Jersey's 1st District, you're arguing with someone in Portland.
So you think you're a moderate.
You walk outside and you're like, I see Democrats and Republicans getting along.
Because you're in a moderate district and then you go on social media and some fringe far leftist is screaming their lungs out and you're like, ah, that's not real life because I go outside.
Then you go to Portland to take a trip there and you're like, this is where these people live.
Look at San Francisco.
It really is just very, very different in this country.
And people don't understand that we used to consume media on a local basis.
Even when you turned on your news, you were getting your local news station.
Now people turn on the news and it's all national level news.
You go on Twitter, it's all national level.
People don't realize your local community is not the same as every other community.
And so they think everything's fine once you go outside.
Then they go on Twitter and they're like, ah, you people don't understand.
But I tell you, When the older generation, who consumes media at the local level, as soon as they age out, pass on, it is going to be... Man, I tell you this.
Younger people are not watching local news.
They don't know who their city council people are.
They don't know who their state reps are, their state senators.
There is going to be abject corruption at the state level because no one pays attention to local news anymore.
It is only the older generation that turns on local news to get their news.
Because your local news station is going to report on Joe Biden.
It's going to report on Boeing.
It's going to report on these big stories.
And then it's going to tell you about, I love this, I was in New York, Watching New York One or whatever and they're like a water main break over on 3rd Avenue and it's like, you're not going to get that news on CNN.
Why would they talk about a local pipe break?
It doesn't make any sense.
But you'll get it on your local news.
Young people don't consume news this way.
And so it's going to be really interesting how this country becomes nationalized because of this.
bradley devlin
I have a quick question for you.
At the beginning, you started talking about how, like, the police numbers, as the older generations die off and you start to see, like, more digitally native generations do these polls, like, the police numbers are going to drop.
One of the interesting things about this new New York Times Siena poll that came out showed that Biden was, like, three points ahead of Trump with boomers, like, 65 and over.
unidentified
It just stopped.
tim pool
The computer just stopped working.
Let's see if, uh, I clicked start streaming again.
We have a light delay.
Let's see if this picks back up.
Everyone's like, bye.
There you go.
Like, so, um, I think, I think what we're seeing with the concurrence, uh, so we are back.
All right, everybody, if you're listening to the sound of my voice.
phil labonte
Oh yeah.
tim pool
I think, I think we're being DDoS'd.
Yeah, I think we're getting attacked for the nature of the story.
So I'll say a few things.
Oh, I hope that recording got grabbed or whatever.
So for those that are listening, you probably have noticed something seems off about the stream today, and I think it's fairly obvious considering the title and the subject matter that we're engaging in.
I can tell you that on the back end, everything looks normal.
On the front end, things look weird, and it's like we may be getting a denial-of-service attack of some sort.
Like, the whole machine just fritzed and then shut off, plus we're seeing YouTube end stuff.
So, considering the title of this episode and the news that broke, I don't know what to tell you, man.
We're talking about the nature of politics these days.
I'll say this, my friends.
The stabilizing force that is the older generation cannot last forever.
The younger generations are much more radicalized.
Gen Z is hyper-polarized, especially between men and women.
Millennials are polarized.
As you get into the older generations, polarization is less and less.
When you look at favorability and when you look at opinions on economics and policy, older generations tend to be overlapping and aligned.
Why?
Well, baby boomers, for instance, in their late 20s and 30s and 90s, What's up? Is it, we're going?
Baby boomers in the 90s, if you look at political affiliation in the 90s,
overlaps almost completely.
Very little difference.
In fact, my parents, like my dad was a conservative, my mom was liberal.
But they still basically agreed on most things and disagreed on a few issues, so it didn't really matter all that much.
When you get older, it starts to become more confusing, like, wow, really?
You had, like, a conservative dad and a liberal mom, and it's like, yeah, but the views of this country were almost unified.
There were few issues where people were in disagreement on, like, you know, abortion, for instance.
Now the country is hyper-polarized.
The older generation, they're gonna pass on.
When Gen X is in their 60s, You're going to have boomers, they're going to be in retirement homes, and they're not going to be very active in much.
Then you're going to have millennials, who are going to be the heads of industry and the CEOs, and they are going to have hyper-polarized views that I just think the direction this country is headed in is, I don't know, I should say worrisome.
Is the Stream Deck not working?
unidentified
It's definitely not playing up for me, so I can't punch different scenes.
tim pool
When you press it, nothing happens?
Okay, let's try that.
Yo, this is wild.
unidentified
Reload.
tim pool
Yeah.
Alright, there you go.
Is it working now?
unidentified
Uh oh.
tim pool
Did we just crash again?
Yup.
It looks like we're still alive.
Yo, this is wild.
hannah claire brimelow
You've never seen anything like this?
tim pool
You're making history with us!
I guess so!
for. Okay, so wait, it says that history with us, I guess so. It
says that we've crashed. But it looks like it's still running. I
can't but but like there's a delay. So I don't know if at any
point, it's going to just shut down. Well, I'm not going to touch this and we'll just keep the show going. So you can't
the stream decks not working.
hannah claire brimelow
Should we all just rotate into your seat when we have something
to say?
unidentified
It's like a Chinese fire drill.
bradley devlin
One big musical chairs.
tim pool
He's gonna have to do it.
He's gonna do it manually.
Yo, guys, this is wild.
Our stream deck has crashed.
Our analytics are on the fritz.
This is back end and internal.
And OBS just says it's crashed again, but it's still streaming.
And I bet if we click the accept, it'll just shut the whole thing down.
unidentified
I think so.
tim pool
Yeah, this has never happened before.
Never happened before, considering the headline.
So anyway, I mean, we made it through half the show before we started getting nuked.
So it is what it is.
I don't know.
So you're gonna, I'm gonna move this down here.
Your stream has ended, it says.
And then we'll just, let Serge click the mouse instead of using our stream deck.
hannah claire brimelow
All this technology- I mean, it's good that you guys have a backup here to- another way to make this work.
You can't really plan for this stuff, right?
You don't really know what's gonna break?
tim pool
I don't think it's breaking.
hannah claire brimelow
Not break, but like, what's- what's vulnerable to this kind of situation?
tim pool
Yeah, this is- this is- this is- What is going on?
Hold on a second.
bradley devlin
Yo.
tim pool
Oh, I see, I see.
I don't know.
Whatever.
My point is this.
Stuff like this- Yo, guys.
As we get closer to November, don't be surprised.
The instability is growing.
The headline of the show is literally the DOJ authorized lethal force against the former president.
Now they put out a statement during this show saying this is standard protocol, and I'm like, in what world do you just blanket standard protocol a raid on a president that's never been done before?
Wouldn't there be some kind of special protocol and assessment for the fact that you're raiding a former president never before?
Has something like this happened?
No, they're just like, eh, you know, bring your guns and don't wear uniforms.
Absolutely insane.
bradley devlin
This was one of the lines that was trotted out against the Trump administration for protecting the federal building in Portland, too.
That these officers were unmarked and therefore throwing all these peaceful protesters in jail.
hannah claire brimelow
No, but it's okay when Biden does it.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
hannah claire brimelow
When the Biden admin does it, totally reasonable.
bradley devlin
Right.
No, you know, those police officers were unmarked because they were in fear of their lives from Antifa protesters.
And then, you know, you have an incredibly cooperative team over in Mar-a-Lago cooperating with the National Archives, supposedly cooperating with the DOJ, and then Biden decides, oh, I'm going to roll the sixth fleet right up to Mar-a-Lago's door and no one's going to have any sort of identification.
hannah claire brimelow
How much of this do you think was just sort of an ill-thought-out PR stunt on behalf of the Biden administration?
Because there is a possibility he didn't really know what was going on, Merrick Garland, etc.
But it reminds me of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, right?
He decided like, oh, we have to be out by September 11th for sort of a symbolic victory, and it just got completely botched.
It costs 13 service members their lives.
I mean, I think the Biden administration sets itself weird goals to try and tout them as victories, and they almost always end up backfiring.
bradley devlin
Yeah, I don't know.
Again, I don't know about enough about like the internal processes on how this would work on a departmental level or throughout the executive branch to say conclusively that it was like a failed PR stunt or anything like that.
I think more what I see is just an old, daughtering, gerontocratic regime
that has never been held accountable.
And so they just, these are the actions of people who feel like they'll never be held accountable for
anything and that basically they have the license
to do whatever they want.
They have the license to prosecute Trump wherever they want, they have the license
to pour whatever money and whatever tech money and whatever grant money into turning out elections
for their chosen candidates.
They have the capacity to fight whatever war they want, American people's opinion be damned, or darned.
I don't want to get in trouble with that.
tim pool
But yeah, we'll jump to this next story.
We have a tweet from Joe Biden himself.
No, we have this post.
Joe Biden says Donald Trump posted an ad echoing the language of Nazi Germany.
Oh, well, he only cares about holding on to power.
I care about you, he says.
Yeah, OK, sure.
Here's the video.
phil labonte
What's next for America?
joe biden
That was a good joke there, Joe!
a unified Reich. That's Hitler's language. That's not America's. He cares about holding
tim pool
on to power. I care about you. That was a good joke there, Joe. So the real story is
that it's an American newspaper from World War One not supporting or proposing any kind
It's literally just an old-school newspaper stock image that has a news report from World War I. That's it.
And so, someone made it.
It wasn't Trump.
Apparently one of Trump's accounts retweeted it, and then they saw that in the article it referenced the beginnings of Nazi Germany after World War I or something, and then Joe Biden is now trying to act like Trump is calling for a unified Reich.
phil labonte
I'm shocked that they actually put that out from the official Trump did no well no that Biden yeah this is a skit where
unidentified
he pretends to be shocked for a camera and notice what does he say is this on
tim pool
an official account that way they can't get sued for defamation because
it was some other account that did it because they made him stand at a
hannah claire brimelow
perfectly lit spot and say hey say this line and we're gonna do this like
They're pretending like this is his genuine reaction.
That's how inauthentic the Biden campaign is.
unidentified
They're staging something.
tim pool
Look at this.
This is amazing.
And Wokeness has the debunking.
Trump media.
Trump echoes Hitler predicting a unified Reich.
phil labonte
That's the thing.
That's the thing that blows my mind is like they're actually saying this as if he said that.
hannah claire brimelow
Because they're trusting you're going to only read the headline.
phil labonte
Yeah, but to me this, and I mean, yes, I totally understand that you're, that's completely true.
I understand what you're saying, but like, it's just, this is, and not that there should be anything beyond the pale, but it's just so surprising that something so blatantly Blatantly dishonest is actually coming out now.
Come on!
I know, I shouldn't feel surprised, but it's just so comical that it's so comically dishonest, I guess, is part of the reason why.
It just blows my mind, and I probably shouldn't be surprised.
unidentified
I'm not surprised.
tim pool
I mean, the whole launch of Joe Biden's first campaign was the Very Fine People hoax.
phil labonte
The Very Fine People hoax, I know that was like BS.
Maybe I shouldn't be so surprised about this because of that, but I feel like the Verifying People hoax, even that was a little more believable, because you could at least say, oh, they only heard the bit that he said that, right?
The only thing they presented was that little piece that wasn't, you know, getting something from World War One, a newspaper from World War One, and putting it as if this is some kind of ad from today.
tim pool
That's Well, ABC News said Trump posts social media videos seemingly suggesting his victory will bring unified rec.
That's fake news.
That is a lie.
That's just absolutely not true.
It doesn't say that.
It's just a stock image.
Look at this.
And what does it say on the image?
It's a newspaper vintage history headlines promo.
And it says something, what does it say?
Universal strength significantly increases something.
unidentified
What does that say?
tim pool
Something driven at the creation of a unified Reich, it's an old news story on a historical newspaper.
bradley devlin
Psst.
If it was actually from the end of World War I, Nazi Germany didn't come right after World War I. We're talking about the Weimar Republic.
It's hilarious.
Reich just means kingdom or realm, even if it was an official account and it's from a 1919 newspaper or whatever.
I'm not saying everything was perfect in Germany in 1919, but we're not talking about this is Yeah, understatement.
But this is what the media does.
Do you think it makes the Biden campaign look desperate?
Well, of course.
is unified right. That's like not at all what what we're talking about here. It's I mean,
it's just dishonest and disingenuous in so many levels.
tim pool
Yeah, understatement. I mean, but this is what the media does. It's.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think it makes the Biden campaign look desperate?
tim pool
Well, of course. But the issue is these news headlines are going to make it to older people.
Younger. This is this is what changes.
Everything's gonna change, man.
You watch MSNBC, you live in WALL-E world, dude.
You live in crackpot, nightmare, bubblegum nonsense.
And it's crazy because MSNBC wasn't always like that, but they've become like that.
CNN is trying to pull itself out, and they're struggling to do so.
Younger people are getting their news and information from social media.
The problem is, I see a dark future, my friends.
We're looking at, with the rise of TikTok, YouTube Shorts taking over, and YouTube Shorts really are displacing a lot, and Instagram, people are no longer consuming in-depth conversations.
Now hold on, for a while they weren't in the first place.
The podcast era comes for a good 10 years, but it seems like we may be on the way out from there.
Joe Rogan comes in, his podcast takes off, and people really start enjoying listening to long-form shows where you get longer conversations breaking issues down, and people start to understand them.
YouTube is a great vehicle for this, and a lot of people succeeded by creating these long-form videos, but YouTube is deprioritizing all of this, and now what they're prioritizing is shorts.
TikTok is creating an algorithm where there's zero substance and maximum dopamine.
If young people go this route, Oh, wow.
I mean, I assume that's what the deep state is hoping and praying for, that the corporate press, the cable TV is dead, and so they need to make sure things like this can't be substantive.
So they want to make sure that you go to work, come home, look at the TikTok and swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, and you never have any idea what's really going on.
They control the algorithm.
They make sure you'll never see information that defies their worldview.
And everyone will chase after whatever nonsense.
If they, and they are.
Deprioritize news content to a great degree.
That's what they've been doing.
And they put the likes of Mr. Beast and things like that on the front page.
They're basically telling everybody who wants to make content, you gotta be like Mr. Beast.
Don't you dare talk about this stuff.
And then they do what's called the tiny room shadow ban.
And that's basically what they've been doing to us for a long time, of course.
And it's only because people share the show and really enjoy it, they can't just shut us down outright.
But the Tiny Room Shadow Ban is basically, make sure no new members, anybody who goes to YouTube for the first time will NEVER see TimCast IRL.
Only the people who already know it exists and have subscribed will see it, unless they share it with other people and interact with it.
So what they want to do is they create pressure against, you know, as this show, you know, gets older, I know exactly why YouTube nuked our two biggest episodes.
know it's not really my cup of tea anymore I watch something else we are not seeing the response
from you know YouTube's algorithm typically promoting a show like this so I'll tell you I
know exactly why YouTube nuked our two biggest episodes they don't like that we are defying
their shadow ban we put up an ad on YouTube which some of you may have seen we
Real simple.
It's just me being like, for the best show, come watch Tim Cast IRL, Monday to Friday at 8pm.
Why?
That breaks the tiny room shadow ban.
Intentionally using marketing to go outside of the bubble they're trying to lock us into.
The first ad that I put up showed the top episodes of Tim Cast IRL.
They denied, I talked about this on the show, they denied the ads and said they were electioneering.
Lie.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Come watch our news show?
That's not election stuff!
bradley devlin
Are you running for office?
tim pool
It's a lie.
Absolute lie.
And so I reach out to customer service and they say, this is strange.
We don't see anything related to elections in this video.
We're going to escalate this and figure out what's going on.
And I said, well, hold on.
If you have the ability to just activate the advertisement, if you're telling me right now there's no election stuff in it, and that's true, turn it on.
And they're like, we can't.
Like, they physically can, but they're not going to.
We're gonna escalate this.
So then, I get an email like a few days later, and they're like, hey, we're the supervisor, we reviewed this, you are correct, nothing in this is related to elections, so your ad has been activated.
The next day, I get a call, I get an email from Google saying, we've deleted these two episodes, which were two of three that appeared in the advertisement that I made.
And they were like, for no reason.
They made up some fake BS reasons.
They claimed that we were promoting QAnon.
And I said, is that a joke?
We mock QAnon.
We've never promoted this.
And they were like, we don't care.
They made up some other BS reason for taking down the other episode and said, if it happens again, you get shut down.
Have a nice day.
And I went off on them.
So that's, so I know why they're pissed.
And so I said, okay.
So I made an ad with nothing in it, literally just me sitting in the chair, nothing else.
And instantly approved.
Now we're specifically targeting through the ad outside of the news space and into cultural spaces, and it is working, and I think they are rightly pissed off about it.
bradley devlin
Okay, so two questions.
First off, what two episodes were they, and can people still listen—like, can I go listen to them anywhere right now?
tim pool
They're probably up on iTunes, right?
Yeah, they're still there.
So it was the Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Michael Malice, uh, who else was that?
Was Drew Hernandez on that one?
hannah claire brimelow
Drew Hernandez was there.
tim pool
Ian, Luke, me, uh, Blair White?
Did I say Blair White?
Yeah.
Uh, was that everybody?
That was a wild show.
bradley devlin
That's the Malice in the Palace.
tim pool
That's crazy.
hannah claire brimelow
It was in the mobile studio in Austin.
tim pool
It was in the mobile studio in Austin with Rogan and, and Jones.
And then they took down the, um, I believe it was the Michael Malice, Alex Jones episode.
And they took it down for a vague reason they wouldn't really explain to me, and I'm like,
this makes no sense.
And then they were like, I'm like, these are three years old.
It happened right after we tried running the ad.
So you know, here's what I think.
They don't mind that the episode exists on YouTube because it exists within the confines
of the tiny room shadow band they've created.
It only appears... I mean, we get people saying all the time, like, hey, I watch the show every day, and it's a struggle to find it.
We often get messages from people saying that it's not even on our YouTube channel.
We go live, and they know the show every day, 8 p.m., and they watch it, and they'll go to YouTube, Tim Castellaro, not there.
And they're like, I don't even know how to find the link, because it's not there, so it's like...
I should probably be tweeting out the link, which I never do.
And, uh, so we hear that a lot.
So I make an ad taking- showing those episodes outside of the Tiny Room Shadow Band, and instantly they're nuked.
And I'm like, uh-huh.
They- YouTube, they don't like what we got going on here.
That's- For- for the longest time, this show was shadow banned from Google.
You- YouTube videos from, uh, Tim Cass and Tim Cass Dairo did not appear on Google search.
Yeah.
bradley devlin
So, one of the things that I talk a lot to young journalists, to people who want to get into the journalism space, specifically on the right.
And one thing that I—I give a little spiel of the history of American media because I don't think that you can become a part of it successfully without understanding some of the history there.
And one of the things that I say to them is, you know, we live in a media environment that seems decentralized because you have shows like this one, you have Joe Rogan, you have longer form conversations, but actually it is one of the most centralized media environments that has ever existed in this country.
When you combine the fact that nearly every major cable news network is owned by one of five corporations, like just a handful, like for every media executive in the country, they oversee an audience of about a million people.
So about the size of the city of San Francisco, which is mind boggling.
You think, like, oh, well, like, that doesn't account for social media, and it doesn't account for YouTube, and it doesn't account for all these other platforms.
But at the end of the day, the social media tech sensors are, like, basically replacing the old corporate journalism sensors.
And, like, one of the questions that I have constantly, especially, like, working for a, you know, plucky, relatively small Conservative outlet is like how to empower the decentralizing forces like how to empower shows like like Tim Tim cast right like how do you?
Think the right should go about doing that or just people with decent people with rel you know just Believe that the media apparatus is corrupt and want to see a decent, lively public square again.
tim pool
I think we're winning.
So, there's a lot going on in the cultural space, in the media space.
Elon Musk buying X?
Massive.
And you know what I think is really funny?
A lot of people are shocked.
They're like, my viewership is down!
What is happening to my account?
Elon's cleaning up the bots.
I'll pause up on my phone and give a shout-out to Josie the Red-Headed Libertarian.
She hosts a show here for TimCast.
It's on her Spaces on X and then we have it for members on TimCast.com.
So if you'd like to watch Josie, become a member at TimCast.com and you can watch her special.
It's only for members to watch the actual live and then she does a Spaces on X. But she had this post.
And I want to I want to break it down and see if I can find this is the wrong account.
Whoops.
I'm looking at the wrong Josie.
Let me pull this one up.
Oh, so annoying.
It's not coming up.
I can't find it.
Okay, you're being throttled.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Wait.
I'm getting there.
There we go, found it.
So, she had this post on Axe talking about how her account is being throttled or something to that effect, and I want to find it so I can cite it properly.
And, um, I can't find this.
Where is this thing?
She posted a graph showing her metrics on Axe and the decline that she was seeing.
unidentified
Was it?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it was Josie.
Where's the post?
Where's the post you made, Josie?
I can't find it.
Okay, I can't find it anyway, so I'll tell you what's going on.
There was this thing that happened when Elon Musk announced that he was buying X. And then, you know, Vijaya Gadde was crying or whatever.
We found out that she was having regular meetings with the government.
What did we notice?
For some reason, all of a sudden, right-wing aligned accounts saw massive growth in audience size, and left-wing accounts started dropping dramatically.
And everyone's like, whoa, what is this?
Some speculated that it was the thumb on the scales of big tech.
They were trying to make sure that accounts that were right-wing would not gain followers, and accounts that were left-wing would.
Then when Elon announced that he's, you know, buying the platform, they go shred all the papers, clear everything out, make some changes to try and cover things up, and those changes instantly unthrottle all the right-wing accounts.
I'll tell you what I think.
I could be wrong.
I don't know.
I'm just speculating.
Why is it that right now so many people on Twitter are saying my viewership is down, my engagement is down, it's not worth it?
I'm willing to bet that a lot of the engagement people were experiencing was fake and probably run by government entities intentionally for the purpose of manipulating public opinion.
In the early 2010s, Barrett Brown started something called Project PM.
He went to prison over this, actually.
He's an investigative reporter, and he was working with some hackers, and they uncovered information related... I think this might have come from Wikileaks emails.
And we saw, I believe it was the Air Force, was buying social media accounts that one person would run 50 accounts to manipulate public opinion by pretending to be 50 different people.
So if you are a, um, I'll tell you got a million followers and you post on social media something like, well, I, you know, I just plain don't like Israel, whatever.
You get responses from 50 accounts instantly all saying, you are right.
Israel is bad.
We love you.
You are correct.
You're so great.
And what happens is when the average person can only see about 300 posts are once, once they get to the point where more than 300 comments are coming in, it becomes unintelligible.
So you go on social media and you comment something like, waffles are great.
And then every response is, no they're bad, you shouldn't eat carbs, starches are bad.
It could be one person commenting by themselves 50 times to trick a high profile personality into saying, wow, people get really mad when I praise waffles, I better not do that.
It's a lie.
One thing they don't have a really good time of doing is dealing with polls, so I recommend people use polls.
Here's what I think is happening.
A lot of the views that are happening on on X for left and right were bots.
I'm willing to bet with to a great degree based on the reporting we saw 12 years ago
from Barrett Brown, the knowledge we have of sock puppet accounts and the and the government
use of them as well as private sector that you've got private entities, political action
committees, governments all competing and using bot farms and sock puppets to manipulate
public perception through social media.
Elon Musk has begun nuking all of the bots.
You need to get your blue check.
The bots don't appear as prominently.
So what's happening?
Interactions are becoming genuine.
Ad rates going up?
Well, it's quite simple.
More real humans are interacting with your posts.
So your views seem to be down, but money seems to be up.
Not all the time.
But then people are like, hey, I'm only getting a few.
I'm only getting 100 retweets.
I used to get 1,000.
Yeah, because they used to manipulate public opinion by making sure they amplified certain messages and making it look like certain messages were popular or unpopular, and by programming responses.
You got Stream Deck working again?
Oh, there we go.
So we're back in business, despite the fact that our broadcaster says it's completely broken.
But yeah, so I think that's what we're seeing with social media.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly fake.
I mean, look at this.
They used to claim that Big Bang Theory was getting 20 million viewers.
I'm like, dude, I don't buy that for a second.
I don't buy it for a second.
It's fascinating that you look to the digital era where we can track IP addresses and know exactly how many people are watching at any given time.
And we're supposed to believe the numbers from traditional media about what they're getting when they're like, it's an estimate.
Nah, I don't believe you.
They just, like, you know, we learned this also 10 years ago.
Now this is 10 years ago, 2014.
There was something called ad rights sales where these media companies would go to clickbait farms that produce garbage and trick people into clicking and buy the rights to their traffic so they could put it in their network.
All the big digital outlets were doing it.
They were claiming, we get 30 million views per month!
And what they wouldn't tell the advertisers is that 10 million was the actual website,
and 20 million came from bot farms that were producing garbage.
So they make these websites where most of you have seen it, and it'll be like 25 photos of
celebrities, you know, having wardrobe malfunctions. You click it, and then one image pops up,
and there's 800 ads, and then you have to scroll down, click next,
and it loads the next image and another 800 ads.
What they were doing is they're farming ad views.
So they can then, what happens then is, that one page with 50 ads on it, you click five images, and you've generated 250 ad impressions, and then you charge money to an advertiser for that.
The advertisers are then like, this is standard in the business.
They have no idea why.
All they know is that When we buy 250 ad impressions, we get no sales.
That's just the way it is.
People don't like our product, what can you do about it?
The reality was, it was ads being given to, it was the same ad given to one guy five times, or 50 times, and they're not interested in your product, they're not gonna click it, and the advertisers were being defrauded.
And all of the big digital media companies were doing it, and then claiming that they were the next up-and-coming stars of media.
The whole thing's been fake the whole time.
The real question of influence is, If the host of the show says, here's a product, do people buy it?
If the host of the show says, become a member at TimCast.com, do people become members?
If they do, then you've actually got influence.
And so the fascinating thing is there are a lot of people who buy fake followers, they buy views, and they can't sell a product to save their lives.
That's the real test, and right now the challenge is, when Facebook launched videos, You would get a million views on a Facebook video and like a hundred thousand on YouTube.
So all these big companies, I told this story, I'm at a meeting and they're like, we got to go with Facebook.
We're getting a million views.
And I'm like, yeah, but you guys realize those aren't real views, right?
Like someone watches a YouTube video.
It has to be for at least 30 seconds.
Facebook is three.
So people are scrolling on their feed and it counts as a view.
That's not real.
And they're like, who cares?
We can sell those views and claim it in our network.
And it makes us look good.
That was the route they wanted to go in media.
So they didn't care about whether or not anyone actually was getting delivered an ad or a sponsorship.
They just want to be able to claim they did.
And then they go to the advertiser and say, your product sucks.
Sorry, that's your fault.
That whole system is going to implode.
It's been imploding.
And now we're moving into the space with what Elon is doing on X. And I think it's one of the most important things ever done.
Eliminating the bots from the equation of ad sales and sponsorships to fix the system.
I think it's going to be a really great thing.
That means ultimately, though, people are going to see engagement go down because it was never real to begin with.
hannah claire brimelow
Does it ever come down to the advertisers to, as they become more familiar with the digital marketing, you know, metrics, to say like, oh, well, you're giving me 250 views, but there's no conversion rate?
Like, are advertisers demanding more from these places or are they basically operating the same way they always did?
tim pool
Small advertisers will take on an ad.
And then when they get no, when it doesn't work, they come back and say, it didn't really work for us.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Bigger advertisers don't know or care.
And so these big companies will be like, put, put a million there, put a million there, put a million there, put a million there, put a million there.
And then if it doesn't work, they'll be like, oh.
We just buy ads.
hannah claire brimelow
They're not going through it.
tim pool
We want brand awareness.
Our marketing budget is $500 million.
And so a lot of these companies are producing garbage.
bradley devlin
And which is why you've seen like BuzzFeed implode, right?
Because everyone's just, they've, it's out in the open now, right?
Like this Uber ad model does not work.
hannah claire brimelow
What do you guys do for advertisement?
Sorry.
bradley devlin
I mean, we're a 501c3.
We rely on small-dollar donations, and we're the American conservative.
The Global Disinformation Index said that we had an American and a conservative bias.
What a brain trust they have working together over there to find out that the American conservative has such a bias.
unidentified
Somebody spent like three weeks researching that.
bradley devlin
Yeah, oh my gosh.
unidentified
Oh, Pat Buchanan was the founder of this magazine, oh my gosh.
bradley devlin
Yeah, no, it's ridiculous.
And it's funny to see, like, just, like, open admissions that this happens on social media, exactly what you just laid out.
Whether it's the, you know, when these companies are going bankrupt or they're doing mass layoffs, just, like, saying out in the open, yeah, all of this is fake.
And then government sources, like, the IDF, had to admit that it and it said it made a mistake in creating a secret influence campaign on social media after October 7th and like I think everyone's broadly on board what happened on October 7th was absolutely terrible but that is just an example of how governments play with social media to alter public opinion just as you laid out.
That's really interesting.
tim pool
I will say this right now as well because we've been doing this show for what is it like going on four years now?
And we know how the metrics all intertwine and work with each other.
It looks like we're being throttled on YouTube, but it only looks like we're being throttled on YouTube.
Because the backend metrics, super chats, likes, are all comparable to when we normally have 38,000 concurrent views.
Time watch, everything is stable, but the visible concurrent viewer count is lower than it normally is by like 30%, which isn't possible.
Yeah, so, considering the nature of the story, and we saw this happen a couple weeks ago when a bunch of YouTubers were impacted by some kind of glitch where their viewer counts were negatively impacted.
But the viewer count doesn't matter.
Our super chat revenue is slightly above average for the time of the show, our likes are over 10,000, and then the viewer count doesn't seem to make sense.
But on the back end, we're actually slightly above average in total viewer count for where we normally are.
I would not be surprised, and I don't think anyone else should be, if coming into this election, they find ways to harm this show in such a way that they don't outright ban it because that causes too big of a splash, but they try to do things that are harder to trace and look strange so that it just seems like something else is happening.
Like, yo, the weird system crash thing that we got, considering the nature of the show, I just don't believe in coincidences. Doesn't happen on a
bradley devlin
Tuesday when you're talking about, you know, swing state polls or whatever, you know, you have
to have something spicy in there and then all of a sudden, oh, it's just a coincidence. Well, what is
tim pool
going on right now has never happened before ever. Oh, okay. I feel like, I mean, this
hannah claire brimelow
is anecdotally, but like increasingly, I know people who have watched Timcast for years, even, you
know, before I was part of it, and more and more they'll reach out to me and say like, oh,
I tried to find the show last night, just typing into YouTube or whatever else, and it didn't, I,
you know, Even when I was searching it specifically, if they were aware of who the guest was, I couldn't find it.
A year ago when I was on the show I didn't hear it nearly as often and now I feel like I hear it much more regularly.
bradley devlin
And if we need to move on, let me know.
But you mentioned the Elon cleaning up the bots.
I totally agree with you.
It seems like very capital-intensive, right, to have like a billionaire come in and buy a site and then be able to clean it out that way.
Phil, you're the counter-revolutionary, right?
Like, how do you empower those decentralized media apparatuses in like what I perceive to be a very centralized media environment?
What's the playbook?
What's the revolutionary playbook?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, the thing is when it comes to when it comes to dealing with with like the centralized power of like
like you know Google or
social media it's tough for your average person to You know to to fight against that kind of stuff
So, I mean, I suppose the best thing you can do is for all the people that are creators to create on as many platforms as they can.
Make sure whatever it is that you create is at least accessible on as many places as you can.
So that way you're supporting the whole ecosystem of different, you know, alternative tech and stuff like that.
There's a lot of people that are great about it.
You know, we do it here.
There's people like Jeremy at The Quartering that everything that he puts up, it goes up onto Alternative Tech.
Same thing with Sticks, Hex, and Hammer.
Everything goes up on Alternative Tech.
And dudes that do that are really, you know, they're the ones that are kind of pioneering the way to get away from, you know, the big corporations.
And then you've got stuff like Public Square.
But I don't know that there's anything in particular that your average person can, like, do Like that's going to have an if an impact the thing that the position that we're in right now is all of the stuff that's going to work or that's that's going to be successful is not going to give you that big time satisfying result right it's the small things that happen over and over and over because that's how we've gotten to this point right all of the small uh the small like all the people that just allow uh
Allowed the woke stuff to influence their day.
I'm not going to say that because it might be a microaggression, or I'm not going to say this because it might offend someone, or, oh, I don't want to do that.
All those little things have added up to the position that we're at now.
So now the things that you need to do is be like, OK, well, do the small stuff, like shopping at Public Square before you go to Amazon and making sure your alternative tech stuff.
I mean, I think that that's the best thing to do, is everyone just kind of focus on the small things.
Make sure you're voting in your local elections.
Make sure you know who your selectmen are.
These are the things that we talk about here regularly.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like being actively on guard.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Somebody asked us, they said, Crowder gets 60k on Rumble and 2k on YouTube.
You should dual stream on Rumble.
All right, here's the issue.
If we make a move So we typically are the number one live show at the time.
Not always, but usually.
TimCast IRL has the highest average live viewership on YouTube, and that confers certain algorithmic benefits, granted, within the limits of the pressure they put on us.
And so we also generate revenue in Super Chats, which is a decent amount.
It's not the most substantial.
If we, uh, when we moved our clips to Rumble, and again, no disrespect to Rumble, we love Rumble.
Uh, big fan, Rumble needs to exist and it needs to succeed.
When we moved my morning show and Tim Castile clips to Rumble, you'll notice that they get, you know, 30 to 50 thousand views.
Comparably, we lost that many views on YouTube.
Duh, makes sense.
People are now watching on Rumble.
We don't make money on Rumble.
So, by moving the clips over, we lost a couple million dollars in yearly revenue, but that's worth it if it means we are helping to compete and try and challenge the system.
If we were to move the show over its entirety, then we lose a substantial amount of revenue.
There is the possibility of dual streaming, which we've been actively working on, and then we could do XRumble and YouTube all at once, which would likely drop us out of the top YouTube ranking space, which isn't really that big of a deal considering YouTube's giving us the business as it is.
But if we end up losing more money, It negatively impacts everything we're doing.
So there's a balance between sacrifice to try and support platforms like Rumble and
X so that we can compete with YouTube, but also revenue lost confers an inability to
actually do the show.
So one of the reasons we switched from heavy contents and advertiser model to membership
a couple years ago was that if we can build up memberships to a certain point, we don't
have to worry about it.
I would not say that we're at the point in memberships where we don't have to worry about it.
If we have to do it, we will.
And the question is, if we do switch over the show to dual streaming, or even to Rumble exclusive, will we actually gain more members to the website?
And we don't know that we will.
For the time being, YouTube allows us to effectively advertise to the people who aren't members to become members, and there's a constant churn and burn of people who leave, credit cards expire, they don't sign back up, and other people do sign up, and it's a general slow percentage growth per month.
We hope, we've had these conversations, that if we switch to Rumble, We're going to get a big spike in memberships from people who are like, this is the right move to make because it supports the alternate ecosystem.
And then we get more viewers and it makes the show bigger.
But because we don't know, we run the risk of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
That being said, YouTube breaking it makes it kind of more easy to just be like, well, we have no choice.
We need to multistream.
I think that if we multi-streamed to X, especially considering I have 2 million followers, we probably would get, generally, substantially more viewers.
That would require us to do internal sales, which is another job.
There's a lot of questions in how we make that work.
That is a challenge for us.
Sitting down and we're talking about it, like, if we do decide to multi-stream, are we going to lose money or make money?
What are the net benefits and the net losses?
Okay, a lot of people are like, haha, Tim only cares about money.
Well, I care about the business being able to operate, people being able to keep their jobs, and for us to be able to do shows like this, if we don't make money, then the show just stops existing.
So if we are currently on a path that generally has a slight growth rate, why shift that in a dramatic way that causes us a massive net negative?
Look, there are some other podcasts, who I don't want to name, that are big, that have stopped publishing on Rubble in there completely.
And people have called them out for it, and they ignore it.
I know why they stopped publishing.
I'm like, dude, they looked at their bottom line and said, holy crap, when 20% of our audience switched to Rumble, we lost 20% of our ad revenue, and we can't sell against that.
And now we gotta lay people off.
That's absolutely what they're looking at.
I mean, no disrespect to Rumble.
We know we're doing that.
I hope everyone understands the importance of helping Rumble and being on Rumble so that people can make that choice.
We're going to have to figure out sales.
And I think perhaps what we'll have to do is do internal sales targeting Rumble specifically because they don't have the same mechanism as YouTube.
So that's just something we've got to work out.
But again, I'll stress like we've been we've been working on a bunch of stuff on the back end for X Rumble and YouTube multi streaming.
uh... because of what you tubes done in in in in going after us
i'd just wish it didn't have to be that way but it is
uh... i i i hope rumble wins their lawsuit against google for their their monopoly manipulation of the digital
ecosystem and what we're going through is a good example of why they
should be suing the way they manipulate the ad market and restrict
competition make shows like us have a very difficult time
building a a business outside of you to because of you to strangle the machine
So we intentionally put our clips on Rumble knowing it's going to hurt us because we have to put pressure in the other direction.
I think that's a great position for Rumble to make that argument that the mechanism by which Google has created in this monopoly, like the example they give is that Android devices have to have YouTube.
You can't delete YouTube.
So they basically have dominated the space and have cut everyone out of the market, putting pressure on all people who produce content to be forced to use YouTube.
And then they censor opinions they don't like.
So anyway, long story short, I suppose, it is a difficult space to navigate, especially in election year when they're attacking us and trying to throttle us and shut us down.
So, I don't know if, uh, maybe, maybe I can write a 30 second pitch for memberships that is more effective than the one I normally do, that drives more membership, because I can tell you, with, uh, 3.3 million unique viewers per episode across the board, Those people are not becoming members at TimCast.com.
They don't have to be.
We do the show for free.
But I'll tell you this.
If every single person who listens to one of the... So when I say 3.3, it is clips and the full show itself.
The clips generate a lot more than the full shows because there's more of them.
Like one show can generate five to seven segments that are 10 to 20 minutes long.
So if we're just talking the whole show itself, it's like half a million uniques per episode.
It could be more, actually, that's unfair.
It might be like 800.
If we were to actually convert 800,000 people to members from one episode, yeah, then we can literally do anything we want.
At $10 a month, you're talking about $8 million a month, and then it's just like...
Man, you can't shut us down.
Eight million bucks a month?
Man, I'll buy out the entirety of Times Square.
But, you know, the Daily Wire, I think, has like over a million paying members, but it really is hard to get that, especially when the economy is hurting so bad.
Right now, we're coming out of an ad market lull, which everybody saw the brunt of, and the economy is getting bad.
When Joe Biden says the economy is good, they're lying.
When you get these trolls in the chat who are like, Tim doesn't understand what it's like because he's rich, I'm like, bro, I can look at ad rates and memberships and the wave of emails from people being like, we're hurting too much right now to be able to be members.
Like, we can see it more so than probably an individual when they're going to the grocery store, because we see 100,000 people all saying right now, Hey, look at what we're going through.
Certainly doesn't mean like I'm going through it, but I get it.
I get it.
Right.
So, you know, hopefully we can come to a point where some people have suggested we hire people to do phone calls and like call up members whose credit cards have expired.
We don't do that.
And they're like, hey, maybe if someone is a member and their credit card expires, you just need to remind them like to be a member.
And that's true for most membership driven platforms.
We don't because we try to just be organic with it.
But, you know, it is what it is.
So, you know, we'll work on it.
In the meantime, we'll probably get banned, censored, and nuked moving forward, but, you know, it is what it is, so thanks for being members, and become a member at TimCast.com for the uncensored show, which will be up at 10 o'clock, and now we'll read superchats, because I've been ranting for 20 minutes.
All right.
Kyle says, Think you could get into Don Jr.' 's ear about his dad picking a libertarian for his VP pick?
Michael Recktenwald or Josh Smith would be great choices.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think he would, but I do love the idea.
If Trump was like, I'm gonna pick a prominent libertarian personality, and then he just wins over the entirety of the libertarian, not the entirety, but a large portion of it, I mean, I think that'd be massive.
It'd be cool stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
But it has to be a libertarian who's cool with closed borders.
I don't want an open borders libertarian as Trump's VP.
phil labonte
That's most of the business caucuses.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm just saying, there's some still out there.
We have to be careful if we're gonna go this route.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
tim pool
S. N. Spartan says, I feel like the Dems would have been better off if they just arrested and jailed Trump without charge or trial, because at least they wouldn't seem incompetent.
Agreed.
Fair point.
Cole Marshall says, hit a new personal record today on deadlift, 320 for 7 reps.
phil labonte
Solid.
tim pool
Also, thank you everyone who prayed for my Frenchie last week.
He has improved greatly.
phil labonte
Good stuff.
tim pool
Right on.
We didn't have Clint in the chat, but Brian Egon says, Howdy people!
Howdy!
And then we got Mike who says, clank!
And he posted spoons.
phil labonte
Oh, that's true.
tim pool
Shout out to Sticks, Hex, and Hammer.
phil labonte
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I think he's listening to Taylor Swift's new album, by the way.
I think it's Swift, Hex, and Hammer.
He was tweeting about how Clara Bow is like one of the most beautiful actresses, and that's a song on Taylor Swift's new album.
I'm just saying.
tim pool
Skyler Pearson says, Tim, your 6pm segment was seriously inspiring.
I've been thinking about Jiu Jitsu more and more lately and I think I'm going to go for it.
By the way, Incubus is my favorite since I found science in a stolen CD player when I was 13.
Yeah, I was saying, um, Make Yourself by Incubus is like, that's the kind of music I grew up on.
You guys know the lyrics to that?
phil labonte
Killer song, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, the young folks, young bucks, how old are you?
unidentified
26 now.
tim pool
26, yeah, I have no idea what the song is.
You should listen to it from 1999.
And I feel like that whole album, Make Yourself, is literally just... What's the singer's name?
Brandon Boyd?
phil labonte
I don't know what his last name is.
tim pool
Yes, Brandon Boyd.
That whole album is basically like someone told him what to do and he said no.
And then he wrote like 13 songs about it.
What a great album.
You've got Pardon Me, which is him being like, I'm overly stressed.
Then you've got Make Yourself, where it's a great line.
He basically says, if you don't make yourself, you'll fall apart.
You'll be pushed around.
The powers that be will have swallowed me whole, but that's more than I can allow.
He's got great lines in there.
And then the song The Warmth.
on that album, which is like, don't let the world get you down.
Not everyone here is that effed up and cold.
You know, experience the warmth while you're alive.
It's a great message.
See, I grew up on that stuff.
6pm segment was basically like, this woman, I don't know if you guys saw, is crying because she's 33.
She's been single for seven years.
She went to a comedy show.
They told her to sit in the front row.
She did.
And no one else did.
And she's by herself.
So the whole time they're pointing out like, thank you so much for being brave and doing this.
But she really just doesn't want to be lonely anymore.
And I'm like, it's so sad because she's like 33, single, clearly has a job and pays her own bills and lives alone.
She chose the career path and all she really wants is to, she says, when is it my turn?
Like, I want to find somebody.
And she's like, they've been saying it for seven years.
It'll come along when you least expect it.
It never did.
And all the, all the guys she meets are trash.
And I'm like, how much you want to bet there's a bunch of guys who watched that video and laughed at her and said, yeah, well maybe she should choose a guy.
But it's like, whoa, hold on.
A lot of these guys are sitting on the internet complaining about women instead of lifting, instead of going for a walk, instead of running, instead of working on a project.
And I'm like, I bet if any one of these guys who is watching a bunch of this Red Pill content Just decided one day to go for a walk and start lifting and figure out how they could be a better person every day.
And they met her.
She would be grateful to meet someone who was trying as hard as she was.
And then they would find companionship.
But too many, and I commend this woman for being like, I'm gonna go out and meet people in the real world.
And she tried.
And I'm like, and there are a lot of guys who are actively trying too.
But I'll just say, if you're the kind of person who sits online and complains about people and doesn't try to improve yourself, Don't be surprised if you're alone.
phil labonte
There's a lot of the, like a lot of the Red Pill guys are like, you know, I feel like they're just trying to collect
money from dudes that are having a hard time.
But there's a couple out there that seem like they are actually, at least actually trying to be useful to guys.
Even if they're not like motivated to be like, I'm going to help dudes and like, I want to make sure that people get
blah blah blah.
Like, even if they're just like, well, you know, I want to make money off of this or, you know, because I'm selling a
product or whatever.
There's a dude, Ryan Stone, that, that has a couple of books out and he's really like, he's got a very realistic perspective.
And he's one of the things that he talks about is, is just like Tim was saying, it's like, you have to get yourself together first.
And that's, that's one of the things that dudes don't do.
Most people are not self-reflective.
Most people don't think about, you know, what am I?
Where am I messing up?
How am I failing?
And the thing is, women don't have to go and try to meet guys.
Like, women just don't have to.
Guys go to try to meet women.
So if you're one of those dudes that's like, well, you know, I haven't met someone or I haven't bumped into a woman or whatever, it's your responsibility to go out there and do it.
Because women have forever been in the position where guys approach them.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
phil labonte
That may be changing and maybe there are more women now.
Hold on one second.
If you want to meet someone, you have to do the things that are going to put you in a position that is most likely to get you into a relationship.
So even if there are things that like, not every woman likes this, or not everyone likes that, or not every woman likes this, you have to do the things that the vast majority of women like.
hannah claire brimelow
Because you're trying to cast a wide net, so I'm sorry for No, I was just going to say, I think it's that idea of like you, if you have this idea of like a partner or a wife or a spouse or husband or whatever it is, like you also have to be the kind of spouse, wife, partner, whatever it is that that person would want.
phil labonte
And women and men don't want the same things.
It's another, like, just because you're a dude that thinks that they want something doesn't mean that that's what women want and vice versa.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
And to the commenter who's like, Tim's been lifting for a month, and now he's gonna try and tell me, well, it's been three, but the reason I said lifting is because it's easy.
No, I've been skateboarding for 25 years and been physically active, and you know, I have my periods.
Look, two and a half years ago, I was 200 pounds.
Now I am working out every day, have lost 30 pounds, and I decided I've got to do More every day to be a better person.
So three months ago I was like, I should add lifting to my already intensive exercise schedule.
Today I skated for two hours, a thousand calories burned in those two hours, and that's usually what I do every single day.
Well, except for Fridays.
Um, Friday's when we just, we hang out, we eat, we play, we do the morning show and then play poker, and that's like, you gotta have a rest day on there.
And then I think this Sunday, we chilled, and what did we do on Sunday?
We went to, um, I mini-golfed.
Oh, cool.
Because you gotta have those rest days.
My point is simply this.
There's a lot of people who are online just complaining about women.
And like, bro, you are allowed to complain about women, you are allowed to complain about guys, for sure.
I'm just saying, there are women out there who are good, and are trying to find good men, and then there are a lot of guys who are not improving themselves, who are angry that women don't choose them, and it's like, guys have to earn their status.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You have to earn it, and it's not easy.
You are, life is a treadmill.
And if you walk, you're standing still.
And if you stop, you're moving backwards.
And you have to be running at full speed the whole time.
It is not easy.
Just look at life.
Look at nature.
All the animals competing to try and reproduce.
That's all it is.
And if you're sitting around and you're not becoming, you're not improving yourself.
And don't be surprised if you get passed over.
Like, you know, that's just it.
Guys gotta earn it, man.
No one said life was fair.
And the guys were like, yeah, well, women don't have to do this.
And women can just do this.
It's like, sure.
Like, not easy.
And some guys are tall, and you're like, it's not fair, you're tall, you have it easy.
You're right.
100% right.
Dudes who are like, that guy is tall and he's just naturally got a physique, it's unfair.
Correct.
It is unfair.
Now you have to work 10 times harder.
Life's not fair.
bradley devlin
The number one thing that irks me about the even more genuine red pill folks is that they completely reject the notion of sexual complementarity and they completely reject the notion that like actually the key to healthy relationships is deeply reflecting and considering that and so like even in their relationships they still set up this dichotomy of like it's it's individuals compromising and there is a lot of compromise in relationships and the people involved in relationships are individuals sure but actually like the whole purpose i'm a catholic right so like
Sacrament of marriage, which I'm preparing for, means that, like, I am going to cling to my wife.
We are going to become one flesh.
And, like, that should scare the ever-living daylights out of you in the best way possible.
Because, like, if you lose a sense of sexual complementarity, um...
you you end up in these types of relationships where like even if you know you're going to the gym and you're doing the hard things and you're like trying to make yourself appealing to women like you actually have still missed the point that like the point is not to enter into like a bipolar cold war between you and your significant other like you actually need to move forward together like it's the abrahamic call to leave your father's house stop being a lazy you know george peterson does this like What's Abraham?
Stop being a lazy bum!
Cling to your wife!
phil labonte
That's not bad.
bradley devlin
He's 95 years old!
He leaves his house!
That's crazy!
Like, you know, it's that.
And there's an incredible truth to it.
And it doesn't have to be biblical per se.
I mean, the pagans, the classics...
talk about this frequently, where Aristotle's talking about friendships, and it's like,
marriage actually, because the sexes are opposed in a way, it's very difficult to find what he
calls true friendship, which is a friendship based in virtue, right? There's friendships of utility,
there's friendships of convenience, but that friendship of virtue is the highest. And in
marriage it is especially difficult, but it is the area in which that is most possible.
That true friendship of virtue is most possible.
So that's my two cents on that.
tim pool
Dale G. asked, how many steps are you averaging on that Garmin watch, Tim?
I pulled it up.
7,500 to 8,000.
I had one day at like 12,000.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Is that good or bad?
I had one day at like 12,000.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Is that good or bad?
phil labonte
I don't know.
10,000 is considered really good, I think.
tim pool
Per day?
It's like 7,500 but I average about two hours of exercise four to five times a week and one of those days might I think like Saturdays can be like three to three and a half hours of max heart rate.
I'm being told that I need to stop.
Because I spend too much time at VO2 Max.
So like, like I had one day at like an hour at VO2 Max and they're like, you're old Tim, stop.
So I'm like, well, I don't know.
I just, I just go as hard as I just skate.
You know what I mean?
That's the thing about skating, I guess.
Neglectful Sausage says, Tim, working out makes you a better person is like men saying wearing makeup makes you a better person.
If you actually wanted to debate Red Pill, you'd have Stardusk or Karen Strahan on simp.
This is what I love about me saying, hey, you should work out.
Simp?
bradley devlin
For who?
tim pool
Who am I simping for?
What?
Guys should exercise, be fit and strong.
Y'all need some Marcus Aurelius.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it misses the point of working out.
Yes, you can be strong and healthy and it's good, but also the discipline of being like, I am setting a goal.
I'm going to the gym once a day.
I'm going to progress in the thing I'm growing on.
Those are traits that women are looking for, someone who is disciplined, someone who has goals, someone who has ambition.
And yes, working out brings you physical health, so that's a benefit, but it also changes your character and changes your habits and that is what you need to do to live a productive life and especially if you want to be in a long-term relationship.
I think you have to have the kind of character that supports long-term growth.
bradley devlin
Yeah, do the hard things that you don't want to do.
Like, if you just look at something and say, like, I don't want to do that, screw that.
And then you accuse someone of saying, you should do that thing, it's really good for you, of being a simp.
I mean, okay, well then just stop playing the game.
Like, stop pretending that you're even playing the game in the first place.
You're not here.
tim pool
Dragon Slayer says Tim's heart's gonna explode.
I was told that.
Cuz you know, we've got two different trainers here.
We've got one who does stretching and massage and one who does actual training.
And they're both just like, oh, you gotta slow down a little bit.
And I'm like, but if I'm capable of doing it, I don't understand.
When I skate, I skate when I'm comfortable skating, and I skate as hard as I can, and I don't feel like I'm gonna die or anything, but they're like, yeah, but you're pushing it, and I'm like, I don't know the difference, so I guess whatever.
bradley devlin
You said it burns a thousand calories when you skate for two hours?
Uh, so... Like, what part of your body is getting just worked when you're skating?
tim pool
I've never skated.
It's full body.
You're not doing any anaerobic upper body stuff, but what I've added to my skate routines is I lift a little bit before, during, and after, because otherwise you're not getting any anaerobic upper body.
But it's a full body workout.
It's anaerobic.
Is that the word I'm thinking of?
Aerobic and anaerobic.
So at VO2max you're doing anaerobic cardio where you're not getting enough oxygen and so then you get like afterburn and stuff like this.
But yeah, it's just shirt is soaking wet.
I could probably strain it out with sweat.
bradley devlin
And I bet your core just gets worked to all heights.
tim pool
Oh yeah, and I would say I typically average about 1,300 calories in two hours.
Today was 1,000 in two hours, because today was a little bit light.
I was kind of chilling.
I did a couple new tricks and stuff like that, but you're charging full speed.
I try to keep my heart rate as high as I can when I'm skating, even though you don't really need to.
And if you're trying to land a proper technique, then you probably don't want to be overloaded, but I love it.
I love just basically getting that fire going.
But I do think it's funny that you've got people who are like, working out doesn't make you a better person.
You're a simp.
I think Pearl called me a simp or something like that.
I don't know if she did because I don't understand the context or whatever because I didn't defend any women.
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
Superchat is wrong anyways.
Working out does make you a better person.
tim pool
But it's like, this idea among the red pill people is that if you criticize a woman who's red pill, you're a simp.
And I'm like, but isn't simping when you just get on your knees for a woman and tell her she's right no matter what?
phil labonte
People use words improperly so much it's super annoying.
I've heard the word grifter used towards just someone I don't like more times than I can count.
People don't know what words mean.
They have no idea.
They shouldn't even be allowed to talk.
All right.
tim pool
Let's, uh, let's grab- Mark Ivey says, a few days ago, I was celebrating the birth of my son on 5-14.
On 5-19, we returned to the hospital as my wife was having chest pain.
She passed at 2 a.m.
We are asking for help with funeral costs, bills for the kids.
Give, send, go.
GCHKH, son is only seven days old.
Holy crap, man.
Dude, sorry to hear.
Wow.
Uh, let me pull that there up.
hannah claire brimelow
What was it?
unidentified
GC- Uh, give, send, go.
tim pool
GCHKH.
unidentified
Let me see if I can find this one.
tim pool
GCHKH.
I can't find it, man.
It is not coming up.
I can try and search for it again, but I can't find it.
GCHKH.
hannah claire brimelow
Amber Pearson's Memorial Fund.
tim pool
You found it?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I did.
I can send it to you.
tim pool
Let me search.
Oh, okay, I found it.
Is that it, man?
Rebecca Pearson Memorial Fund for her children?
hannah claire brimelow
You're Rebecca?
I'm Amber.
tim pool
Amber, sorry.
unidentified
What did I say?
hannah claire brimelow
I thought they were maybe bringing up two?
tim pool
Oh, Campaign Created by Rebecca.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, okay, okay.
tim pool
That's what I was reading.
Man, sorry, sorry.
Wow, that's... I'm sorry to hear it, man.
We'll help you out with what we can.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, definitely for your family.
tim pool
Bender the Offender says, a lot of people were worried Trump would be targeted for assassination attempt.
Now that this story has come out, that the FBI was authorized to use lethal force at the Mar-a-Lago raid, who's to say they won't try it again before this election?
That's a scary thing, and the FBI says it's standard protocol to authorize this.
What about raiding a former president in this way is standard protocol?
That's the crazy thing.
It's not standard protocol, and it should not be standard, and it should be special.
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You want to shout anything out before we go?
bradley devlin
Yeah, go to TheAmericanConservative.com.
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That's where I do most of my stuff.
phil labonte
Right on.
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So, Hannah-Claire!
hannah claire brimelow
It's been fun being here.
Thanks for bearing with us through our suspicious glitch, and thanks to all of you guys for hanging on there.
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I'm a writer for scnr.com at Scanner News.
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Guys, thank you so much for everything.
Bye, Serge.
unidentified
Bye, Hannah-Claire.
See you guys later.
tim pool
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